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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Aug 31 23:57:22 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: The ONLY liberal big gun... (was: For anyone who's interested...)
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Jeanne Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>> Jeanne Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:

>> > Ya see, Leshole, it's one thing to have a few typos in a
>> > quickie online typing of a rant or flame,

I notice you left yourself a convenient out, there.

>> > but a document on the WWW should
>> > be proofread more thoroughly. Most of your polka group's ideas have been
>> > posted in these newsgroups -- either disguised as an original thought from
>> > you and your imaginary friends or entire articles when you just can't
>> > muster another brainfart yourself.
>> >
>> > Believe it or not, Leshole, a lot of people do care about
>> > spelling and the design of a document. Not taking the time to proofread
>> > your web pages gives the impression that you are either ignorant or
>> > sloppy. This doesn't speak well of your organization, and is inexcusable
>> > for a group that fancies itself capable of forming and running its own
>> > country. Flame away if you want, doofus, but I've actually offered you
>> > some good advice.
>> 
>> You must have some INCREDIBLE life if you can scan web pages for SPELLING
>> ERRORS, Jeannie.  Tell me, where can I become a major-league winner like
>> you?
> 
> Les, I spot typos without scanning for them. I am student and have to be
> conscientious of spelling. I also design and produce html documents for
> the university. Furthermore, I was the editor of a newsletter for a
> nonprofit organization for five years. I wish that I could casually read
> anything without studying and/or proofreading, but those typos keep
> popping up everywhere.

Yeah, yeah, sure.  Tell us MORE about your "real life", why don't you?
 
Les


--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Sep  1 09:00:42 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: The ONLY liberal big gun... (was: For anyone who's interested...)
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Jeanne Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>> Jeanne Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:

>> > Ya see, Leshole, it's one thing to have a few typos in a
>> > quickie online typing of a rant or flame,

I notice you left yourself a convenient out, there.

>> > but a document on the WWW should
>> > be proofread more thoroughly. Most of your polka group's ideas have been
>> > posted in these newsgroups -- either disguised as an original thought from
>> > you and your imaginary friends or entire articles when you just can't
>> > muster another brainfart yourself.
>> >
>> > Believe it or not, Leshole, a lot of people do care about
>> > spelling and the design of a document. Not taking the time to proofread
>> > your web pages gives the impression that you are either ignorant or
>> > sloppy. This doesn't speak well of your organization, and is inexcusable
>> > for a group that fancies itself capable of forming and running its own
>> > country. Flame away if you want, doofus, but I've actually offered you
>> > some good advice.
>> 
>> You must have some INCREDIBLE life if you can scan web pages for SPELLING
>> ERRORS, Jeannie.  Tell me, where can I become a major-league winner like
>> you?
> 
> Les, I spot typos without scanning for them. I am student and have to be
> conscientious of spelling. I also design and produce html documents for
> the university. Furthermore, I was the editor of a newsletter for a
> nonprofit organization for five years. I wish that I could casually read
> anything without studying and/or proofreading, but those typos keep
> popping up everywhere.

Yeah, yeah, sure.  Tell us MORE about your "real life", why don't you?
 
Les


--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Sep  1 09:00:43 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: A question for all you liberals...
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 (lzaird@io.org) writes:
> In article ,
> Les Griswold  wrote:
>>
>>In the spirit of Ken McVay-ism, this question is a burning one that
>>requires an answer.  Unlike Kenny, though, I don't archive messages and
>>post super-long messages that no-one will read (note to Kenny:  if it's
>>more than 10 screens long, don't count on the climax being read by anyone).
>>The question is very simple:  how many of you have read _The Turner Diaries_?
> 
> Man, if I could find a copy, I would... It sounds like a hilarious romp 
> through the paranoid psyche of a right-wing yahoo.  I'd order it, but 
> I'm hesitant to PAY racist psychos and give them my address so they can 
> send it to me.  From the sounds of the storyline, that's one book dying 
> for a parody...

Here we see a classic demonstration of liberal hypocrisy:

"Right-wing yahoo"s are dangerous, and it's risky to give them one's
address, but they're paranoid kooks, who can be laughed at.

If "right-wing yahoos" are so paranoid, why are you so scared of them?

> But Les, how does this relate at all to Ken McVay?

Two ways, actually:

1)  Kennie is flogging the "Turner Diaries = fertilizer bombers" line;

2)  Anyone who holds forth on it and claims to "know" that the right wing
venerates it MUST have read it, to know this.  Otherwise, why are they
pronouncing on a book they know next to nothing about?

Les

--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Sep  1 09:00:43 PDT 1995
Article: 5598 of alt.revisionism
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: ERNST GOES TO THE SOUTH POLE!
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Keith Morrison (T08O@UNB.CA) writes:
> In article <4245s6$10s@inforamp.net> cpn@inforamp.net (Marc Lemire) writes:
>>
>>Well from those "south pole" claims Zundel got over 500 interviews.  Sometimes
>>the interviews were longer that 5 hours.  For the first 2 minutes he would
>>talk about Nazi on the Pole and for the rest he would talk about the
>>Holocaust.  So who is the crazy one.  He got, at least, over Three Million
>>dollars of free advertising.   I ask again... who was the crazy one?
> 
> Oh, so you're *admitting* that Ernst the Zoom-Doll will deliberately
> and with malice aforethought engage in false advertising and media
> manipulation, has an agenda different from that he publically states
> and will basically lie to get what he wants.

And this is something different from what the socialists do in what way?
 
> And yes, I know the above statement applies to every politician.

And most journalists.

Les


--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Sep  1 09:00:44 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Talmud study! (was: A question for all you liberals...)
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Harry Katz (hkatz@earth.usa.net) writes:
> In article ,
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) whines:
> 
> 	But the question stands:  how many of the critics of _TTD_, and
> 	those who link it to the OKC bombing, have actually READ it?
> 	Quite a few less than have actually condemned it as the "Bible
> 	of the right-wing", I'll bet.
> 
> For that matter, how many Jew-haters who have condemned the Talmud have
û> ever actually read any of it?

Where can it be obtained?  I've already told people where they can direct
inquiries about _The Turner Diaries_.

> Not that it can be understood on a
> simple reading -- it must be studied under the direction of a scholar.

So that us "stupid goy" don't come to any wrong conclusions, eh?  Sounds
like the heavily-footnoted translations of Nietzsche by jews...

Les


--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Sep  1 09:00:46 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: The ONLY liberal big gun... (was: For anyone who's interested...)
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Jeanne Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
 
>> >> Jeanne Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:
>> 
>> >> > Ya see, Leshole, it's one thing to have a few typos in a
>> >> > quickie online typing of a rant or flame,
>> 
>> I notice you left yourself a convenient out, there.
> 
> I was cutting *you* some slack on that one, Les, but you were so quick to
> try and find something to pick apart that you didn't even notice.

Oh, sure.  And I just make SO MANY typos, Jeannie.

(snip)

> Amazing what someone can do in a few years if they're not plotting to take
> over the world with their imaginary friends, eh? A big difference between
> us is that everything that I said that I've done is true and has been
> documented by the university. You are still a putz, Les.

Jeannie, at least I don't treat the 'Net like some sort of Wailing Wall,
where I can come dump all my problems ("I married an asshole who beat and
abused me, and I stuck with him for two years before we 'went our
separate ways'".)  There IS such a concept as "dealing with it".

Les


--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Sep  1 09:00:46 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: PRIDE vs. HATE
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Adam Krims (akrims@gpu3.srv.ualberta.ca) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Adam Krims (akrims@gpu3.srv.ualberta.ca) writes:

(snip)

> : You said that there is no DECLARED
> : war against the UNITED STATES.  However, what you liberals dismiss as
> : a"crime wave", we see as an UNdeclared war against the WHITE RACE.
> :  
> Well, now we're getting somewhere (at with a contribution from Les, no 
> less.) Do you agree with Les, Reuben. Is this the "war" by which your 
> "treason" will be defined?

For those who promote it.  Those who engage in it will have a very nasty
surprise once their victims wake up and realize what's going on.

Les


--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Sep  1 09:41:06 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: A question for all you liberals...
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 (lzaird@io.org) writes:
> In article ,
> Les Griswold  wrote:
>>
>>In the spirit of Ken McVay-ism, this question is a burning one that
>>requires an answer.  Unlike Kenny, though, I don't archive messages and
>>post super-long messages that no-one will read (note to Kenny:  if it's
>>more than 10 screens long, don't count on the climax being read by anyone).
>>The question is very simple:  how many of you have read _The Turner Diaries_?
> 
> Man, if I could find a copy, I would... It sounds like a hilarious romp 
> through the paranoid psyche of a right-wing yahoo.  I'd order it, but 
> I'm hesitant to PAY racist psychos and give them my address so they can 
> send it to me.  From the sounds of the storyline, that's one book dying 
> for a parody...

Here we see a classic demonstration of liberal hypocrisy:

"Right-wing yahoo"s are dangerous, and it's risky to give them one's
address, but they're paranoid kooks, who can be laughed at.

If "right-wing yahoos" are so paranoid, why are you so scared of them?

> But Les, how does this relate at all to Ken McVay?

Two ways, actually:

1)  Kennie is flogging the "Turner Diaries = fertilizer bombers" line;

2)  Anyone who holds forth on it and claims to "know" that the right wing
venerates it MUST have read it, to know this.  Otherwise, why are they
pronouncing on a book they know next to nothing about?

Les

--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Sep  1 09:41:07 PDT 1995
Article: 939 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Quotes from old, concerning arms.
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Adam Krims (akrims@gpu3.srv.ualberta.ca) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Adam Krims (akrims@gpu3.srv.ualberta.ca) writes:

> : > For those of you who aren't much brighter than Caliban, I'll clue you in. 
> : > Statements about society are rarely relevant to the same degree and in 
> : > the same respect, sometimes not relevant at all, after 200 years. The 
> : > "man's nature never changes" boneheads love to quote people from 200 
> : > years ago, since they're generally the most recent respected thinkers who 
> : > ever agreed with them.
> 
> : So how do you explain Harry Katz' quotes from the Talmud?
> 
> 
> 1) I don't, nor do I need to, explain anything Harry Katz does. However,

Yet, you feel eminently qualified to explain the behaviour of every White
who posts quotes from T. Jefferson, B. Franklin, et al.  Now, I wonder why
that is...
 
> 2) My recollection is that his quotes from the Talmud (other than those 
> in his .sig file, which I imagine he cites for religious reasons) are 
> generally to debunk the comical misstatements of Ben "I'm getting 
> humiliated, so I'm outta here" Johnson.

I must have missed that.  Why would H. "cool" Katz want to debunk anything
said by a Jamaican-Canadian sprinter?

Les




--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Sep  1 09:45:10 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: 100 facts about whites and blacks.
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 (evil Beavis) writes:
>>   bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
>>  Actually, contrary to your sweeping (and wrong) generalizations, it is
>>  mostly non-White men and women who turn to homosexuality.
> 
> Oh really?? Go visit Castro street in San Fransisco, you just might fit in!

You're conversant with these places, are you?

Les


--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Sep  1 09:45:11 PDT 1995
Article: 1167 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: evil Beavis is a butt-head (was: PRIDE vs. HATE)
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 (evil Beavis) writes:
>>   bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
>>  Re-read your argument, Peacenik-Boy.  You said that there is no DECLARED
>>  war against the UNITED STATES.  However, what you liberals dismiss as
>>  a"crime wave", we see as an UNdeclared war against the WHITE RACE.
> 
> Of course, since there are no white criminals, right...?

Never said that, boyo.  But take a look at the inter-racial murder
statistics, for one.  In December of 1993, Klanwatch released a study that
showed Blacks were responsible for FORTY-SIX PERCENT of the
racially-motivated murders in the United States, even though they make up
only 12-13% of the population.  Pretty skewed, I'd say.  And even though
there's a big kerfluffle over inter-racial rape statistics, Blacks are
STILL over-represented in that area.

Les


--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Sep  1 09:45:12 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: A question for all you liberals...
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 (lzaird@io.org) writes:
> In article ,
> Les Griswold  wrote:
>>
>>In the spirit of Ken McVay-ism, this question is a burning one that
>>requires an answer.  Unlike Kenny, though, I don't archive messages and
>>post super-long messages that no-one will read (note to Kenny:  if it's
>>more than 10 screens long, don't count on the climax being read by anyone).
>>The question is very simple:  how many of you have read _The Turner Diaries_?
> 
> Man, if I could find a copy, I would... It sounds like a hilarious romp 
> through the paranoid psyche of a right-wing yahoo.  I'd order it, but 
> I'm hesitant to PAY racist psychos and give them my address so they can 
> send it to me.  From the sounds of the storyline, that's one book dying 
> for a parody...

Here we see a classic demonstration of liberal hypocrisy:

"Right-wing yahoo"s are dangerous, and it's risky to give them one's
address, but they're paranoid kooks, who can be laughed at.

If "right-wing yahoos" are so paranoid, why are you so scared of them?

> But Les, how does this relate at all to Ken McVay?

Two ways, actually:

1)  Kennie is flogging the "Turner Diaries = fertilizer bombers" line;

2)  Anyone who holds forth on it and claims to "know" that the right wing
venerates it MUST have read it, to know this.  Otherwise, why are they
pronouncing on a book they know next to nothing about?

Les

--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Sep  1 09:45:13 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Quotes from old, concerning arms.
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Adam Krims (akrims@gpu3.srv.ualberta.ca) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Adam Krims (akrims@gpu3.srv.ualberta.ca) writes:

> : > For those of you who aren't much brighter than Caliban, I'll clue you in. 
> : > Statements about society are rarely relevant to the same degree and in 
> : > the same respect, sometimes not relevant at all, after 200 years. The 
> : > "man's nature never changes" boneheads love to quote people from 200 
> : > years ago, since they're generally the most recent respected thinkers who 
> : > ever agreed with them.
> 
> : So how do you explain Harry Katz' quotes from the Talmud?
> 
> 
> 1) I don't, nor do I need to, explain anything Harry Katz does. However,

Yet, you feel eminently qualified to explain the behaviour of every White
who posts quotes from T. Jefferson, B. Franklin, et al.  Now, I wonder why
that is...
 
> 2) My recollection is that his quotes from the Talmud (other than those 
> in his .sig file, which I imagine he cites for religious reasons) are 
> generally to debunk the comical misstatements of Ben "I'm getting 
> humiliated, so I'm outta here" Johnson.

I must have missed that.  Why would H. "cool" Katz want to debunk anything
said by a Jamaican-Canadian sprinter?

Les




--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Sep  1 09:45:14 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: PRIDE vs. HATE
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Rob Kowalewski (robk@efn.org) writes:
> In article <41v1fd$pgg@news.duke.edu>, Rob Carscadden
>  wrote:
> 
> 
>  
>> Most everyone will agree that pride in one's heritage is fine. 
> 
> 
> 
> Yo! Namesake dude!
> 
> I tend to agree with most everything else you wrote, except the above
> point. And here's where I see a BIG part of the problem. If I may use my
> buddy Les as an example:
> 
> Les is "proud of his race." Questions:
> 
> 1) How hard did he work to attain it?

I've worked very hard BECAUSE of it.  Harder, I'll wager, than you ever have.

> 2) How hard did he study to learn it?

I've studied quite hard to learn OF it.

> 3) How much did he sacrifice to attain it?

You'd be surprised at what I DID have to sacrifice because OF it.

> 4) What store did he go to, to buy the lottery ticket to even win it?

Why must you be so stupid?
 
> HE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT!!! None of us did. Now, I am very proud of my
> accomplishments (bigots, don't start on something of which you know
> nothing). I am proud of Jeanne's accomplishments insofar as I may have
> been of some assistance in her attainment of them. I'm proud of our kid's,
> because I know that I had a hell of a lot to do with their development.
> See my point?

... right there, on top of your head.

> My "white" heritage (and as I told -Grego privately, I'm REALLY white) was
> the result of events over which I had absolutely no control. To me, pride
> in that would be equal to taking pride in the sunbeam that is now hitting
> my monitor (dammit). And this idea of "pride in my race" has, and will be,
> a natural source of friction among diverse groups. Why not get rid of it
> altogether, and focus our collective energies on things we have a
> legitimate right to be proud of?

What specious "reasoning".  If you don't follow Rob's reasoning, you
haven't a thing to be proud of!
 
> I'd really like to see this idea debated among people with IQs larger than
> their shoe sizes.

Just had to throw that in there, didn't you?  Can't let a day go by
without throwing in SOME sort of anti-WP comment, can you?

*sigh*  I had such high hopes for you, too, that you wouldn't be another
of these knee-jerk "hate Whitey" types.  Guess I'm being let down...

Les


--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


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lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Sep  1 23:17:28 PDT 1995
Article: 5824 of alt.revisionism
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: PRIDE vs. HATE
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Donald Moffitt (donald05@nyc.pipeline.com) writes:
 
(snip) 
 
>>Re-read your argument, Peacenik-Boy.  You said that there is no DECLARED 
>>war against the UNITED STATES.  However, what you liberals dismiss as 
>>a"crime wave", we see as an UNdeclared war against the WHITE RACE. 

> Outside a mental institution, no lawyer or judge in the country would find
> your silly assertion anything more than another delusion.  Where in the
> Constitution or the statutes of the U.S., by the way, is the white race
> defined, or "treason" against it defined?  On what legal or moral authority
> do you assert that there is such an offense?

The highest legal and moral authority:  our right to survive as a race.

(the rest of Donnie n' Marie's garbage thankfully deleted)

Les


--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Sep  1 23:34:08 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Quotes from old, concerning arms.
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Adam Krims (akrims@gpu3.srv.ualberta.ca) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : > 
> : > : So how do you explain Harry Katz' quotes from the Talmud?
> : > 
> : > 
> : > 1) I don't, nor do I need to, explain anything Harry Katz does. However,
> 
> : Yet, you feel eminently qualified to explain the behaviour of every White
> : who posts quotes from T. Jefferson, B. Franklin, et al.  Now, I wonder why
> : that is...
> 
> Because your premise is false. I'm only commenting on the posts I've 
> seen, which use centuries-old quotes to justify untenable contemporary views.

Oh, I see.  So you convenienely "forget" to look at Harry Katz' messages,
which use millenia-old quotes as sig.files.  Presumably, they "justify"
his views.

> : > 2) My recollection is that his quotes from the Talmud (other than those 
> : > in his .sig file, which I imagine he cites for religious reasons) are 
> : > generally to debunk the comical misstatements of Ben "I'm getting 
> : > humiliated, so I'm outta here" Johnson.
> 
> : I must have missed that.  Why would H. "cool" Katz want to debunk anything
> : said by a Jamaican-Canadian sprinter?
> 
> Hmmm... You may have inadvertantly stumbled on something.
> 
> Anyway, check out alt.revisionism. He was posting there until a few weeks 
> ago, when some people (including me) argued him right off the 'net. Of 
> course, he's one of those people who are at least bright enough to 
> _recognize_ when they're getting their ass kicked, Les.

Oh, I do recognize that.  But it's never happened, least of all by you. 
If you're fantasizing about the "hip-hop" exchange, keep dreaming. 
"Hip-hop" is shit, always was, always will be.

Les


--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Sep  1 23:54:22 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Quotes from old, concerning arms.
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Adam Krims (akrims@gpu3.srv.ualberta.ca) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : > 
> : > : So how do you explain Harry Katz' quotes from the Talmud?
> : > 
> : > 
> : > 1) I don't, nor do I need to, explain anything Harry Katz does. However,
> 
> : Yet, you feel eminently qualified to explain the behaviour of every White
> : who posts quotes from T. Jefferson, B. Franklin, et al.  Now, I wonder why
> : that is...
> 
> Because your premise is false. I'm only commenting on the posts I've 
> seen, which use centuries-old quotes to justify untenable contemporary views.

Oh, I see.  So you convenienely "forget" to look at Harry Katz' messages,
which use millenia-old quotes as sig.files.  Presumably, they "justify"
his views.

> : > 2) My recollection is that his quotes from the Talmud (other than those 
> : > in his .sig file, which I imagine he cites for religious reasons) are 
> : > generally to debunk the comical misstatements of Ben "I'm getting 
> : > humiliated, so I'm outta here" Johnson.
> 
> : I must have missed that.  Why would H. "cool" Katz want to debunk anything
> : said by a Jamaican-Canadian sprinter?
> 
> Hmmm... You may have inadvertantly stumbled on something.
> 
> Anyway, check out alt.revisionism. He was posting there until a few weeks 
> ago, when some people (including me) argued him right off the 'net. Of 
> course, he's one of those people who are at least bright enough to 
> _recognize_ when they're getting their ass kicked, Les.

Oh, I do recognize that.  But it's never happened, least of all by you. 
If you're fantasizing about the "hip-hop" exchange, keep dreaming. 
"Hip-hop" is shit, always was, always will be.

Les


--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Sep  2 08:37:29 PDT 1995
Article: 5867 of alt.revisionism
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Subject: Hi, Keith!
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Keith "Lillihammer" Morrison (t08o@io.sun.csd.unb.ca) writes:

(snip)

> Was not the writer of _The Three Musketeers_ (Dumas pere or fils, I
> forget which) African or at least mulatto?  If so, since the novel dates
> from well before the mid 20th Century that sort of blows Les's 
> idea out of the water, does it not?  Not that this is in any way
> surprising.

Only if one accepts your loopy idea that Dumas was part-Black to begin
with.  That sounds like it's right up there with the "Beethoven was BLACK,
man!" garbage.

> Oh, I recently heard a good story from an Englishman.  It seems that
> in the middle of WW2, some British officials conducted an inquiry into
> the relations between the locals and the American forces who had invaded
> their little island.  They went to a pub in a village next to an American
> base and started questioning a grizzled old barkeep.
> 
> "Any problems with the Yanks?"
> 
> "Nope."
> 
> "How are they getting on with the local girls?"
> 
> "Perfect gentlemen," the old-timer declared, "act like they were born
> into the Royal Family, they do.  They treat all of us good, always
> waving and smiling and saying hello, helping out where they can.
> Saints they are, real saints."
> 
> "So, no problems at all?"
> 
> "Well, there is one thing."
> 
> "What?"
> 
> "It's those white guys they brought with them..."

Keith, you really are pathetic.  Nothing is worse than a journalist who
actively promotes anti-White racism.  I mean, we don't expect any of you
to show any guts and talk about jews, but it really is unnecessary to go
to these lengths to show your slavish adherence to multiracialism, and how
you buy into this "White guys is the evil of the world!"

Les


--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Sep  2 08:45:31 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: Quotes from old, concerning arms.
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Adam Krims (akrims@gpu1.srv.ualberta.ca) writes:

(snip)

 
> If Katz uses quotes that are millenia old, I agree with you that it 
> doesn't constitute a relevant contemporary political argument.

He does.  There's no "if" about it.

> Got it, now? Instead of my having to say this again, how about you 
> download it, print it out, and photocopy it.

Yes, I've got it.  I understand perfectly that you're a tool not bright
enough to understand when he's making a complete ass of himself.

(Adam claiming that I regularly "get (my) ass kicked" on all sorts of topics)
 
> Shall we do the Nietzsche thing, Les? I enjoyed it last time, and you 
> strangely went silent on the issue...

Because there was nothing more to say.  You can take any interpretation of
Nietzsche you want; being a jew, I don't expect you to have any sort of
understanding that I could relate to, or vice-versa.
  
> Actually, I wasn't thinking specifically of _my_ kicking your ass, since 
> I don't often go after you.

Too busy listening to your "hip-hop"?

> You've gotten your ass kicked on everything from racial crime statistics 
> (chuckle) through Nietzsche (see above) to the really well Hiddenbrook 
> Non-Existent Institute. But of course, "it's never happened" -- sort of 
> like the Holocaust, when you think about it. Anyone with a brain sees it, 
> but Les is still screaming "Never happened!"

Sure, Adam Ant, sure...

> Actually, I hadn't been thinking about that little exchange. Funny you 
> should think of it in this connection, though, Les...

(Adam's allegation that "hip-hop" was yet another area where I got a
severe ass-whuppin').

I mentioned it to show what constituted me getting my ass kicked in your
world.

Les


--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Sep  2 09:12:37 PDT 1995
Article: 1312 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: The ONLY liberal big gun... (was: For anyone who's interested...)
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Jeanne Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:
> In article , bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Sylvie Charbonneau) wrote:

(snip)

>> > A good place for you to start to learn to be a major-leaugue winner would
>>                                                       ^^^^^^^^^
>> 
>> Bwahahahahaha!!!  Shouldn't that be "league", Jeanne?  Boy, I bet you have
>> enough egg on your face right now to make an omelette.
> 
> Actually, my first impression is that this is really pathetic.

Ah, Jeannie.  You don't need to get all sucky because Sylvie makes a valid
point:  for a "proofreader", you can't spell to save your ass.

>>  > be in spelling my name correctly. Hope this helps. > 
>>                         
>> Hope this helps you too!
>> 
>> And Sylvie takes the lead...
> 
> Ah, Sylvie beats Leshole by a nose in the gnat straining contest. BTW,
> your better half is still spelling my name wrong, and your web pages still
> suck.

But at least I'm not pussy-whipped.

Les


--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Sep  2 09:12:37 PDT 1995
Article: 1313 of alt.politics.white-power
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Rajiv K. Gandhi (anakin@pinc.com) writes:

(snip)

> And yes, ther are countries in Africa with a very high rate of HIV
> infection, but this has more to do with the fact that birth control is not
> widespread.

I thought the high rate of HIV incidence in Africa had to do with the
totally different attitudes towards sex that the Africans have.
 
Les


--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Sep  2 09:12:38 PDT 1995
Article: 1314 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: 100 facts about whites and blacks.
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Slimy Lizard at io.org" (lzaird@io.org) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:

(snip)

>>Actually, contrary to your sweeping (and wrong) generalizations, it is
>>mostly non-White men and women who turn to homosexuality.
> 
> I love this argument...
> 
> "No man, YOUR race is gay!"
> 
> "No way man!  YOUR race is gay!!!"
> 
> "Uh uh, it's all YOUR race!!!'
> 
> Duh duh duh... If either of you ever happen to set foot in any area that 
> is predominantly homosexual, you'll know that homosexuality isn't 
> restricted mostly to one race or another.  The homosexual community is 
> very diverse racially. 

Lizard, Lizard, Lizard...

Tired of basking in the admiration of your fellow pre-schoolers, and
you've come back to play with the big boys again?

I can always count on you to take a statement and twist it to suit your
own perverse interpretation of reality:

What Les said:

MOST homos are non-White.

What Lizard understood:

Les says that ALL homos are non-White.

See the difference?

Les
 


--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Sep  2 09:36:33 PDT 1995
Article: 2105 of alt.skinheads
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Rajiv K. Gandhi (anakin@pinc.com) writes:

(snip)

> And yes, ther are countries in Africa with a very high rate of HIV
> infection, but this has more to do with the fact that birth control is not
> widespread.

I thought the high rate of HIV incidence in Africa had to do with the
totally different attitudes towards sex that the Africans have.
 
Les


--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Sep  2 09:36:34 PDT 1995
Article: 2106 of alt.skinheads
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Slimy Lizard at io.org" (lzaird@io.org) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:

(snip)

>>Actually, contrary to your sweeping (and wrong) generalizations, it is
>>mostly non-White men and women who turn to homosexuality.
> 
> I love this argument...
> 
> "No man, YOUR race is gay!"
> 
> "No way man!  YOUR race is gay!!!"
> 
> "Uh uh, it's all YOUR race!!!'
> 
> Duh duh duh... If either of you ever happen to set foot in any area that 
> is predominantly homosexual, you'll know that homosexuality isn't 
> restricted mostly to one race or another.  The homosexual community is 
> very diverse racially. 

Lizard, Lizard, Lizard...

Tired of basking in the admiration of your fellow pre-schoolers, and
you've come back to play with the big boys again?

I can always count on you to take a statement and twist it to suit your
own perverse interpretation of reality:

What Les said:

MOST homos are non-White.

What Lizard understood:

Les says that ALL homos are non-White.

See the difference?

Les
 


--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Sep  2 13:05:31 PDT 1995
Article: 5878 of alt.revisionism
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Keith "not the TV guy" Morrison (t08o@io.sun.csd.unb.ca) writes:

(snip)

>>> Was not the writer of _The Three Musketeers_ (Dumas pere or fils, I
>>> forget which) African or at least mulatto?  If so, since the novel dates
>>> from well before the mid 20th Century that sort of blows Les's 
>>> idea out of the water, does it not?  Not that this is in any way
>>> surprising.
>>
>>Only if one accepts your loopy idea that Dumas was part-Black to begin
>>with.  That sounds like it's right up there with the "Beethoven was BLACK,
>>man!" garbage.
> 
> No, I'm sure that I read it somewhere, ergo it must be true since
> everything I read in books I like is Absolute Truth (does this sound
> familiar, Les?)

Indeed.  It sounds like you're being a major ass, like all liberals.
 
>>Keith, you really are pathetic.  Nothing is worse than a journalist who
>>actively promotes anti-White racism.  I mean, we don't expect any of you
>>to show any guts and talk about jews, but it really is unnecessary to go
>>to these lengths to show your slavish adherence to multiracialism, and how
>>you buy into this "White guys is the evil of the world!"
> 
> Whoa there, Lessie.  What makes you think I'm a journalist?  Unless...
> Oh, no no no no no, I'm not *that* Keith Morrison.  I did not host
> Canada AM, the CTV Late News or the National.  I am a student at the
> University of New Brunswick (as any dope who would bother to finger
> t08o@unb.ca would readily determine).  I've done quite a few things thus
> far in my life but I've never hosted a national news program (yet).

Okay, so I mistook one asshole for another.  Big deal.
 
> And the above story was related by a British national speaking in the
> US at a conference abouth the 50th anniversary of VE Day.  The speech
> in which this came up concerned the far right which was becoming more
> obvious in the States.

So what?  British nationals HAVE been known to be wrong about things, as
have nationals of other countries.

> Another nice thing in the speech was his derision of men like Liddy and
> North who had just recieved talk radio programs and were promoting
> an "antiestablishment" agenda, which he thought was incredibly funny
> since Liddy (White House staffer) and North (colonel, Marine Corps) had
> achieved their notoriety *because* they were members of the "establishment".

Whoopee.  Liddy and North are gonna get hernias from backflipping about
how wonderful jews are.

Les


--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Sep  3 00:57:44 PDT 1995
Article: 1071 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Adam Krims (akrims@gpu1.srv.ualberta.ca) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : (Adam claiming that I regularly "get (my) ass kicked" on all sorts of topics)
> :  
> : > Shall we do the Nietzsche thing, Les? I enjoyed it last time, and you 
> : > strangely went silent on the issue...
> 
> : Because there was nothing more to say.  You can take any interpretation of
> : Nietzsche you want; being a jew, I don't expect you to have any sort of
> : understanding that I could relate to, or vice-versa.
> 
> Uh-oh. Don't look now, Les, but it's that MEMORY thing again! I posted 
> _letters by Nietzsche_, not `my understanding' of Nietzsche. Oh, you poor 
> fellow, this must be _so_ embarrassing! I'll tell you what: to prevent 
> you any further memory embarrassment, I'll repost those letters of 
> Nietzsche. OK?

Sure.  And those letters were just chock full of semitophillia, weren't
they?

(snip)

> : (Adam's allegation that "hip-hop" was yet another area where I got a
> : severe ass-whuppin').
> 
> Oh, really, Les? Funny -- as I recall, the line of mine that you just 
> quoted was the last one in the post. Methinks you lyin', Les! How about 
> you quote whichever line `alleges' that "`hip-hop' was yet another area 
> where [you] got a severe ass-whuppin'"?

You shouldn't call me names or accuse me of dishonourable behaviour. 
Coming from a jew, that's REALLY funny.

Les


--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Sep  3 00:59:03 PDT 1995
Article: 1354 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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 (evil Beavis) writes:
>>   bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Sylvie Charbonneau) writes:
>>  And what's this sh*t about Whites starting AIDS?  That disease originated
>>  in Africa,  didn't it?  Approximately 60% of the population of some
>>  African countries has it, don't they?
> 
> Rwanda and Uganda has the highest known rates of HIV - close to 30% of their 
> population. You would in the states too if you didn't have sanitary hospital 
> conditions, lack of education about the causes of HIV etc.

What's in that "etc."?  The morals of alley-cats?  I saw on "60 Minutes"
how some poor befuddled white was trying to get Ugandans to use condoms. 
Didn't work out.  I also saw, in the same report, how Ugandan truck
drivers have "wives" in every city/town where they stop, so that they can
get some o' that lovin' wherever they are.

Les


--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Sep  3 00:59:03 PDT 1995
Article: 1355 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: None
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 (evil Beavis) writes:
>>   bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
>>  I thought the high rate of HIV incidence in Africa had to do with the
>>  totally different attitudes towards sex that the Africans have.
> 
> True, many Africans I know tell me that widespread promiscuity and prevalence 
> of prostitutes is an aggravating problem. But lack of education and sanitary 
> conditions at poor hospitals is probably the most contributing factor to high 
> rates of HIV.

Any facilities that are lacking in Africa are NOT the fault of the White
man, who has worked, and continues to work, to provide the fruits of OUR
civilization to Stone Age savages who cannot understand them.

Les


--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Sep  3 00:59:04 PDT 1995
Article: 1356 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Lemme clear something up here...
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 (evil Beavis) writes:

(snip)

> Well, at least I won't marry my sister. And you're right, I'd prefer a decent
> African jungle woman any day over a stupid, ignorant white trash trailerpark
> dwelling, welfare sucking bitch like the ones you usually find at these "Good
> 'Ol Boy Roundups" and the like. Hint: the ones flipping the burgers and
> lugging around the kids for the Good 'Ol Boys... 

Too bad you couldn't get either.

Les

--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


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Adam Krims (akrims@gpu1.srv.ualberta.ca) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : (Adam claiming that I regularly "get (my) ass kicked" on all sorts of topics)
> :  
> : > Shall we do the Nietzsche thing, Les? I enjoyed it last time, and you 
> : > strangely went silent on the issue...
> 
> : Because there was nothing more to say.  You can take any interpretation of
> : Nietzsche you want; being a jew, I don't expect you to have any sort of
> : understanding that I could relate to, or vice-versa.
> 
> Uh-oh. Don't look now, Les, but it's that MEMORY thing again! I posted 
> _letters by Nietzsche_, not `my understanding' of Nietzsche. Oh, you poor 
> fellow, this must be _so_ embarrassing! I'll tell you what: to prevent 
> you any further memory embarrassment, I'll repost those letters of 
> Nietzsche. OK?

Sure.  And those letters were just chock full of semitophillia, weren't
they?

(snip)

> : (Adam's allegation that "hip-hop" was yet another area where I got a
> : severe ass-whuppin').
> 
> Oh, really, Les? Funny -- as I recall, the line of mine that you just 
> quoted was the last one in the post. Methinks you lyin', Les! How about 
> you quote whichever line `alleges' that "`hip-hop' was yet another area 
> where [you] got a severe ass-whuppin'"?

You shouldn't call me names or accuse me of dishonourable behaviour. 
Coming from a jew, that's REALLY funny.

Les


--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Sep  3 09:32:49 PDT 1995
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Joanne B Easter (j-east@maroon.tc.umn.edu) writes:

Moi:
>>>Actually, contrary to your sweeping (and wrong) generalizations, it is
>>>mostly non-White men and women who turn to homosexuality.

(snip)

Lizzie: 
>>Duh duh duh... If either of you ever happen to set foot in any area that 
>>is predominantly homosexual, you'll know that homosexuality isn't 
>>restricted mostly to one race or another.  The homosexual community is 
>>very diverse racially. 
> 
> No shit..  Thus the statement "... It is mostly non-white men and women 
> who turn to homosexuality."
> Think some sense might start penetrating through your skull?

Joanne, expecting any sense to sink through Lizard's skull is vain, at
best.  He subscribes to the "not Black = White" school of thought.  Though
he'll try to impress us by telling us that he's a university student, I
get the distinct impression that he's a pimply-faced 13-year-old who
doesn't understand what he's saying.

Les



--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Sep  3 09:37:14 PDT 1995
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Joanne B Easter (j-east@maroon.tc.umn.edu) writes:

Moi:
>>>Actually, contrary to your sweeping (and wrong) generalizations, it is
>>>mostly non-White men and women who turn to homosexuality.

(snip)

Lizzie: 
>>Duh duh duh... If either of you ever happen to set foot in any area that 
>>is predominantly homosexual, you'll know that homosexuality isn't 
>>restricted mostly to one race or another.  The homosexual community is 
>>very diverse racially. 
> 
> No shit..  Thus the statement "... It is mostly non-white men and women 
> who turn to homosexuality."
> Think some sense might start penetrating through your skull?

Joanne, expecting any sense to sink through Lizard's skull is vain, at
best.  He subscribes to the "not Black = White" school of thought.  Though
he'll try to impress us by telling us that he's a university student, I
get the distinct impression that he's a pimply-faced 13-year-old who
doesn't understand what he's saying.

Les



--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Sep  3 23:22:27 PDT 1995
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Alex (t3009038@student.anu.edu.au) writes:
> In article  bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
>>Freedom isn't free.
>>Free men aren't equal.
>>Equal men aren't free.
> 
> No, Mr. Griswold, you are wrong.  You should substitute another line here:
> 
> "Equality is only for the free."
> 
> You see, people who follow a herd-ideology (term borrowed from Nietzsche, who 
> wasn't an antisemite), like that of the Nazis, in which responsibility is 
> always delegated to somebody else, so that in the end no-one takes any of it, 
> people who cannot accept that they are not better than anyone else on account 
> of their skin colour, who are so insecure that they need to prove to 
> themselves their own "superiority" over others by doing so in the most 
> pathetic of ways, namely by the circumstances of birth and ancestry, which 
> have NOTHING to do with personal achievements, in other words, people like 
> you, Mr. Griswold, are slaves to their own fears.

That's funny.  People on the "right" (and why do you suppose that they
call it the RIGHT?) suspect that liberals base their ideology on fear. 
Pretty hilarious for you to try the "racists are motivated by fear!" tack.

The individuality that you push is only for soul-sick individuals who feel
no sense of responsibility to their past or their future.

Les


--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Sep  4 00:28:39 PDT 1995
Article: 2245 of alt.skinheads
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Cat71 (cat71@aol.com) writes:
>>  And last time I checked, Africa had a higher rate of cannibalism
>> than ANY White country anywhere, anytime.  Some get off your high horse,
>> take your head out of your arse, and take a long hard look at reality.
> 
> Sorry I missed this the first time, its been a rough couple of days, I
> couldve used the laugh then.  Sylvie honey, you really should stop getting
> your anthropology from Tarzan movies.  There isn't any more cannibalism in
> Africa, than any white country (athough the fact that you don't seem to
> know that Africa is a *continent*, with quite a number of predominantly
> caucasian countries in it is also pretty amusing)

Name ONE "predominantly caucasian country" in Africa.  ONE.  This should
be very easy, as I'm giving you a break by only asking for one, as
opposed to the "quite a number" you bandy about.

Les


--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Sep  4 00:47:11 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Hi, Keith!
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 (evil Beavis) writes:
>>   bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
> 
>>  Keith, you really are pathetic.  Nothing is worse than a journalist who
>>  actively promotes anti-White racism.
> 
> I know, it sucks. Just like people promoting racism of any kind, right?!

I wasn't talking to you, furless Beaver.  Sit down and shut up until I
rattle your chain.

Les

--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Sep  4 00:47:11 PDT 1995
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 (evil Beavis) writes:

eB:
>>  > Rwanda and Uganda has the highest known rates of HIV - close to 30% of their 
>>  > population. You would in the states too if you didn't have sanitary hospital 
>>  > conditions, lack of education about the causes of HIV etc.

Moi:  
>>  What's in that "etc."?  The morals of alley-cats?  I saw on "60 Minutes"
>>  how some poor befuddled white was trying to get Ugandans to use condoms. 
>>  Didn't work out.  I also saw, in the same report, how Ugandan truck
>>  drivers have "wives" in every city/town where they stop, so that they can
>>  get some o' that lovin' wherever they are.
> 
> Yes, that's what I said. Prostitution is a big problem, but to say they have the morals of 
> alley cats I don't understand. Some cultures are just more promiscuous, some less. I 
> don't see how your, or white America's, definition of how often or with whom you should 
> screw around could possibly fit everyone everywhere. Besides, this "promiscuity" varies 
> greatly between African countries and countries in other continents too.

I think the realities of life in Black Africa run contrary to your
fantasies, Beavis.

Les

--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Sep  4 00:47:12 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Beavis' take on colonialism (was: None)
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 (evil Beavis) writes:

(snip)
  
>>  Any facilities that are lacking in Africa are NOT the fault of the White
>>  man, who has worked, and continues to work, to provide the fruits of OUR
>>  civilization to Stone Age savages who cannot understand them.
> 
> Well, these "stone age savages" have been dealt many of their most devastating 
> problems by white colonialists.

Gimme a break.  "Colonialism" was a boon for the non-White races.  I'm not
denying that there were SOME excesses, but by and large, colonialism
brought far more in the way benefits than liabilities to the non-Whites.

> But I never said that corrupted administrations that 
> rather get rich themselves than care for their people are white people's fault. In some 
> cases though, they have been quite encouraged by European governments. I.e. 
> Bokassa in the Central African Republic and Mobutu in Zaire. Have you ever been to 
> Africa Les, or outside the US for that matter?

Yes.  Your point is what, exactly?  That I'd have to live among the
squalor of Blacks to recognize it as such, or to have the right to
criticize it?

Les


--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Sep  4 00:47:13 PDT 1995
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Lane Singer (lsd@ix.netcom.com) writes:

(snip)
 
> I remarked to Les that it's strange that the Romans were "white"
> by Les's standards while the current Italians who look Mediterranean
> are not. It's strange, I said, because the Romans made a huge fuss
> over the blondness of the northern barbarians. If the Romans were
> themselves blond, why the fuss?
> 
> Now Les says that they weren't impressed by their blondness, although
> this was all that was documented, but by their "homogeneity," something
> that has never been either documented, or even suggested, until this
> fabulous moment in history.

Then I guess Tacitus is a liar and a myth-maker, then.

It's pretty pathetic, One-Way, that you have to lie so baldly to get a
response from me.  But I guess that's all to be expected, since if you
actually presented what I _HAD_ said in an honest manner, you couldn't
exercise your pathetic little wit.

Les



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The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
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		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Sep  4 23:44:02 PDT 1995
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Lane Singer (lsd@ix.netcom.com) writes:
> [Romans were entranced with the blondness of the northern barbarians]
> 
>>> griswold:
>>>>No, they were quite taken with the physical homogeneity 
>>>>of the German tribesmen, Avenue, a homogeneity that was 
>>>>largely lost in a polyglot,
>>>>cosmopolitan republic/empire such as was Rome.
> 
> [Singer:]
>>> Cite please.
>>
>>Tacitus' _Germania_.  It's not a long book, you can probably 
>>get one of your friends to read it to you.
> 
> I'm very impressed that you can back up your statement (although
> I haven't time to run to the library to check up on your reference).

Translation:  this is really awkward, since my whole premise depends on
_excrementum vincit cerebellum_ (Latin for "Bullshit baffles brains.") 
Give it up, Cul-de-sac, you're full of it, and wveryone knows it.
 
> Nevertheless, this ignorant appraisal by Tacitus in no way challenges
> my original assertion: The Romans were as intrigued by the blondness
> of the northern barbarians as were any other group of dark-haired,
> and dark-skinned, people. This puts to the lie, in my 
> opinion, your claim that the Romans, the great Roman empire, had
> even a smidgen of northern European blood. 

Translation:  Tacitus refutes me, so Tacitus, even though he was there, is
wrong.  I wanna keep believing that the Romans were wogs, so I will.

> The only people of northern European descent who were prevalent in
> that era were still wearing animal skins, while the people on all
> three sides of the Mediterranean were clothed in linen, writing books,
> and pursusing scientific investigation. People who had black hair,
> dark brown eyes, and skin that was varying shades of tan to brown.

... and us Europeans were drinking blood out of skulls, and eating one
another, etc etc...

Les

--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Sep  5 00:22:18 PDT 1995
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Cripes, here we go with the "'Gyptians was BLACK, man!" garbage.  Can't
you guys come up with anything new?  You haven't any REAL history, so you
have to steal ours and change it, so you can be the "good guys".

Sheesh.

Les

--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Sep  5 06:00:10 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Jeannie's name! (was: Lemme clear something up here...)
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Jeanne Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:
 
(snip)
 
> How's this for accuracy, Leshole? ". . .  a down-at-the-heels white
> clapboard bungalow with a 'Beware of dog' sign in the window and Hector
> the Rotweiler standing guard at the front door. The home of Les Griswold .
> . ." [source: MacLean's, May 8, 1995, p. 35]. 

Am I supposed to be impressed by the facts that:

1)  You can (oo!) READ?

2) Have read about ME?
 
(snip)

Moi: 
>> No, but Jeannie IS the sort to weep n' wail as she tells us ALL ABOUT her
>> awful past life, and how hunky-dory everything is NOW.
> 
> Les, I have lived through much more. Ya wanna hear about it?

I get this sinking feeling in my gut that you're going to tell us...

> Yer still spelling my name wrong, putz.

I MEANT to do that!:-)

Les


--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
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		-- Adolf Hitler


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Alex (t3009038@student.anu.edu.au) writes:
> I only got to see Cobra's response to Les' original article, so unfortunately 
> I can't comment on everything yet.  I would therefore ask Mr.Griswold to 
> repost it, if possible.  In any case, here are some comments I felt qualified 
> to make to the cut version:

No, sorry, but I don't have the time to wet-nurse you into reality, only
to have you jam your thumb in your mouth just when I think I'm making
progress, in the typical liberal denial of reality.
 
Follow the strings (I get the impression that you've been lurking here for
quite some time, and your story about having "missed" my original article
is a load of hooey.  It's so much easier to present your opinions, such as
they are, when you're responding second-party).

(snip)

>... if I'm that wrong, then surely this can't be hard? 

Assuming we CARE what you think.

(skads of Alex' very boring [we've seen it all before, chum] shit
deleted).

Les


--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
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		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Sep  6 03:07:32 PDT 1995
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 (evil Beavis) writes:
>>   bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
>>  
>>  Cripes, here we go with the "'Gyptians was BLACK, man!" garbage.  Can't
>>  you guys come up with anything new?  You haven't any REAL history, so you
>>  have to steal ours and change it, so you can be the "good guys".
>>  
>>  Sheesh.
> 
> Well a huge majority of Egyptians are black as tar - simple as that Les.

And Egyptians NOW are the exact same thing as the guys who built the
pyramids, right?  I can't BELIEVE the stupidity of some people here; well,
actually, I CAN believe the stupidity of liberals like you, Beavis.

> Very few 
> look like the middle-eastern types (Arabs) we see on TV. Well, I guess that's your 
> whole problem, you judge everything based on what you've seen on the tube huh? 
 

Nope.  But obviously, you think that people several millenia ago were
exactly the same as the people squatting in their borders today.

Les


--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Sep  6 03:07:34 PDT 1995
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Alex (t3009038@student.anu.edu.au) writes:
> I only got to see Cobra's response to Les' original article, so unfortunately 
> I can't comment on everything yet.  I would therefore ask Mr.Griswold to 
> repost it, if possible.  In any case, here are some comments I felt qualified 
> to make to the cut version:

No, sorry, but I don't have the time to wet-nurse you into reality, only
to have you jam your thumb in your mouth just when I think I'm making
progress, in the typical liberal denial of reality.
 
Follow the strings (I get the impression that you've been lurking here for
quite some time, and your story about having "missed" my original article
is a load of hooey.  It's so much easier to present your opinions, such as
they are, when you're responding second-party).

(snip)

>... if I'm that wrong, then surely this can't be hard? 

Assuming we CARE what you think.

(skads of Alex' very boring [we've seen it all before, chum] shit
deleted).

Les


--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Sep  6 08:12:47 PDT 1995
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Jeanne Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>> Tim Lamb (timlamb@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca) writes:

(snip)

>> > Too bad I missed it!  That would have been funny!
>> 
>> Hi, Timmy!
>> 
>> Well, since there's a popular demand for it, her it is, in essence. 
> 
> Popular demand? Geez, you don't pass up an opportunity to recycle your old
> material, do you? C'mon, BUNGALOW-BOY, make up some new stuff! Surely you
> can find other things to write about. 

Pissed off that my stuff is more memorable than yours, WB?
 
>> You'll agree that it's not "funny"; in fact, it's so sublime in its
>> simplicity, that you'll shudder.
> 
> Powerful insight there, BUNGALOW-BOY! You've been making decent people
> shudder since the day you stumbled onto the 'net.

Yes, how can I compare to you?  You've only been making your in-laws retch.
 
(snip)

Les


--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


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pereira (pereira@iwawi.bv.tu-berlin.de) writes:
>>In article , 
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
>>(Les Griswold) wrote:
>>
>>"No, the real program of the National Alliance is to PRESERVE the 
>>White race, through whatever means are NECESSARY.  
> 
> 	Wake up BOZO!!!
> 	There´s not a hope for your white race!
> 	It will be earlier or later biologically
> 	assimilated. Just have a look to the terribly
> 	low birth rate and to the explosive increase of the
> 	non-white population in almost all caucasian countries

Off-hand, I can think of several ways we can get rid of the mill-stone of
the non-White birthrate.  But let me ask you:  why is the non-White birthrate
OUR problem?

Les


--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


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Jeanne Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
 
(snip)
 
> My in-laws love me, Les! All of them love me and think that I'm special,
> including Rob's family, my son-in-law, my siblings' spouses, my nieces'
> and nephews' spouses, etc. I'm nice to everyone but you, Les -- remember?
> 
> Many of my family members (including my in-laws) now know that I'm not
> nice to you and your buddies, and you know what, Les? They think it's
> cool! Some of my family members, who were horribly racist in the past, are
> now mellowing out and aren't on your side anymore, BUNGALOW-BOY! Now my
> family can laugh at you, too!

Oh, yes, I remember:  "Some of my in-laws were so racist, why, they'd sit
in taverns and bad-mouth niggers for HOURS!  But now, they are perfectly
willing to accept a pickaninny in their midst."  Jeannie, just because you
had relatives who told racist jokes, but simperingly accepted a hybrid,
revealing the depth of their convictions, doesn't prove anything, except
that you have a bunch of hypocrites for family.
 
Les


--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Sep  6 08:32:41 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: Alex tells us what he believes (was: Lane is full of it, as usual!)
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Alex (t3009038@student.anu.edu.au) writes:
> I only got to see Cobra's response to Les' original article, so unfortunately 
> I can't comment on everything yet.  I would therefore ask Mr.Griswold to 
> repost it, if possible.  In any case, here are some comments I felt qualified 
> to make to the cut version:

No, sorry, but I don't have the time to wet-nurse you into reality, only
to have you jam your thumb in your mouth just when I think I'm making
progress, in the typical liberal denial of reality.
 
Follow the strings (I get the impression that you've been lurking here for
quite some time, and your story about having "missed" my original article
is a load of hooey.  It's so much easier to present your opinions, such as
they are, when you're responding second-party).

(snip)

>... if I'm that wrong, then surely this can't be hard? 

Assuming we CARE what you think.

(skads of Alex' very boring [we've seen it all before, chum] shit
deleted).

Les


--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Sep  6 08:36:32 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Me in Macclone's! (was: Jeannie's name!)
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Jeanne Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:
 
(snip)

Jeannie:
>> > Nah. I was, however, surprised and amused to see that I was quoted in the
>> > same issue of the magazine. Why didn't you goose-steppers leak that tidbit
>> > out?

Moi: 
>> Uh, Jeannie, if you'll recall, WE'RE not the ones who got all hot n'
>> bothered about "Natsees" in Maclean's; we left that for the ninnies like
>> you to salivate over.
> 
> Yeah, I didn't bother looking up the article until July, and I saw that
> Burdi is repulsive and you live in a dump. Big shocker there, putz. 

*ho-hum*  I wouldn't put too much stock in what Maclane's, or any other
wanna-be socially significant weekly, has to say.  Maybe they were pissed
off that I wouldn't talk to them, and they had to resort to a lame attempt
at trying to get me to respond.

> A picture of you would have been nice, though.

Maclane's knows better than to try to print an unauthorized picture, even
to please liberal losers like you.

(snip)
  
>> And you're still a whiny, effete, yappy bitch, 
> 
> You need to use a more explicit term than "effete," BUNGALOW-BOY. It has
> four different definitions.

I use it in its primary definition:  an ineffective, useless person.  That
definition fits you to a "T".

> Geez -- I thought that I was an overbearing,
> gonad-smashing feminist type. Changing your stories again, eh?

Well, I was gonna get to that in a minute...

Les


--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Sep  6 08:36:33 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Making libs feel important...
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I refer, of course, to the situation where a person on the "right" (and
boy, are we RIGHT!) deigns to talk to a loop-head on the left.  Or, to be
more specific, anyone talking to Jeannie, who's out to lunch.  Jeannie, do
you realize that out of four messages I posted, two are to you?  Don't you
feel important?  Of course, that your messages were deliberately stupid
(well, I don't know how deliberate something that you can't help is) is of
little consequence.

Les

--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Sep  6 08:36:33 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Schoedel knows less than Les!
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Charles Freedberg (cfree@ix.netcom.com) writes:
> In  bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les
> Griswold) writes: 

(snip)

>>--
>>The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
>>lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
>>		-- Adolf Hitler
>                 
>                                     This quote sounds like Adolf was   
>                     talking about your dick, Les.

*sigh* Trust a jew to make comments about PENISES.

Les


--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Sep  6 08:36:34 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Something you forgot...
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Crazy Jeanne (I like that, sounds like a used car salesman... er,
salesperson) makes a big to-do over my "down-at-the-heels white clapboard
bungalow", but she neglects to mention that there's an answering service
"in full swing" there, at (613) 834-7960.  Give it a call.

BTW, Jeanne, remember to call between 9:00 am and 5:00 pm, Monday to
Friday, when the long distance rates are the cheapest.

Les

--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Sep  7 01:56:31 PDT 1995
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Crazy Jeanne Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
  
(snip)
  
>> Oh, yes, I remember:  "Some of my in-laws were so racist, why, they'd sit
>> in taverns and bad-mouth niggers for HOURS!  But now, they are perfectly
>> willing to accept a pickaninny in their midst." 
> 
> You have an awfully faulty memory, BUNGALOW-BOY! Your whole attempt at
> quoting me is a lie (imagine a lie from the Leshole, folks!) The racists
> that I referred to in *my family* were my siblings. (Knuckle-dragging
> ex-in-laws are not family to me.)

It wasn't a quote, it was a paraphrase.  It's no surprise that the
distinction is lost on you.

>> Jeannie, just because you
>> had relatives who told racist jokes, but simperingly accepted a hybrid,
>> revealing the depth of their convictions, doesn't prove anything, except
>> that you have a bunch of hypocrites for family.
> 
> You have, however, in your own blundering way, brought up a valid point:
> People find it much easier to conjure up stereotypes and make
> narrow-minded comments against faceless groups of people than to focus
> their ignorance and venom on a three year old child, who is blood kin.
> When my brothers were faced with the choice of accepting this beautiful
> little girl or holding on to their bigotry, on this day they looked within
> themselves and found the streak of decency and strength that continues to
> hold my family together. 

My GAWD, find me a bucket!  I'm gonna puke!

No, on that day, your brothers proved that they liked to talk the talk,
but they lacked the intestinal fortitude to walk the walk.

> My relatives have never "simperingly accepted" anything, BUNGALOW-BOY. We
> are unabashedly boisterous in expressing what we think and believe, and we
> don't particularly care how others may react. Have our convictions changed
> over time? You betcha! With the passage of time and learning more about
> the world and its peoples, we have gained maturity, tolerance, and
> compassion (in various levels). 

Laying back and welcoming the world to hit you again is not maturity,
tolerance and compassion.  It's cowardice.
 
Les


--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


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Crazy Jeanne Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
  
(snip)
 
>> *ho-hum*  I wouldn't put too much stock in what Maclane's, or any other
>> wanna-be socially significant weekly, has to say.  Maybe they were pissed
>> off that I wouldn't talk to them, and they had to resort to a lame attempt
>> at trying to get me to respond.
> 
> So, you save all of your good responses for "whiny, effete, yappy bitch"
> lib'rals like me, eh? Good strategy for a national "leader" of a wannabe
> socially significant polka club!

You know, it's really nice how you guys keep talking about how I'm a
"national leader".  I never got my Secret Decoder Ring, though.  What a rip.

(snip)

>> Maclane's knows better than to try to print an unauthorized picture, even
>> to please liberal losers like you.
> 
> Well, you clipped out what I wrote regarding why I wanted to see the photo:
> 
>      I've never seen a real six-fingered, banjo playing, inbred goose-stepper 
>      featured in a magazine before. Do you have a totally toothless grin, or 
>      do you still have a couple of moss-green, abcessed stubs still hanging in 
>      there? "Get the pliers, Sylvie, and pull this out afore I sober up!"
> 
> I wouldn't want any newcomers to have any misconceptions about how much I
> detest everything about you and the WS mindset that you represent.

Don't worry, Crazy.  All they have to do is read ONE loopy message from
you, and they won't care WHAT you do and don't like.

(snip)
 
> Kewl! Print me out a certificate, and I'll put it with my collection,
> BUNGALOW-BOY. I'll make sure to add it to my resume as well. Should I add
> it to my academic, professional, or community service awards section? Can
> I list you as a reference, too?

More bragging about how well-educated you are, eh?  I bet your parents,
your teachers, EVERYONE who had any input into your "education", is
cringing at what a total wash-out you are.

Les


--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Sep  7 18:28:49 PDT 1995
Article: 1695 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Me in Macclone's! (was: Jeannie's name!)
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Crazy Jeanne Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
   
(snip)
 
>> > I wouldn't want any newcomers to have any misconceptions about how much I
>> > detest everything about you and the WS mindset that you represent.
>> 
>> Don't worry, Crazy.  All they have to do is read ONE loopy message from
>> you, and they won't care WHAT you do and don't like.
> 
> I don't particularly care. I'm just tired of you WP losers stomping on the
> heads of others just so you can squawk about your superiority.

So then why do you expend so much energy here?  Trying to "prove"
something?  Don't worry, Crazy, we already know that you're probably the
biggest asshole (not to mention, whining, effete, yappy bitch) to come
down the pike in a LONG time.

(snip)

> More hatchet editing to make yourself look good, BUNGALOW-BOY? Must make
> you feel like quite a man, eh? bok . . . bok . . . bok . . .

No, not really.  You just never know when to shut up, so I'm doing what I
can to keep your diatribes of bearable length.  I think we've stumbled on
to another reason why your ex finally had to resort to smacking you around.

> "Eat my shorts, you crackpot."
> -----Les Griswold

All right, Crazy!  LOVE the new SIG!

Les


--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Sep  7 18:28:50 PDT 1995
Article: 1696 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: OJ Found Innocent - Whites Riot
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ibokor (ibokor@metz.une.edu.au) writes:
> Marcus Aurelius (xenith@er6.rutgers.edu) wrote:
> : Whites would never lower themselves to the level of burning their
> : own towns and stores to the ground. 
> : It's an evolutionary thing, you wouldn't understand.
> : M
> : 
> 
> What "colour" was Nero?

1)  Real good.  And how long ago was he?

2)  White, according to reality.  Non-white, according to liberals like you.

Les


--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Sep  7 23:38:59 PDT 1995
Article: 1695 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Me in Macclone's! (was: Jeannie's name!)
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Crazy Jeanne Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
   
(snip)
 
>> > I wouldn't want any newcomers to have any misconceptions about how much I
>> > detest everything about you and the WS mindset that you represent.
>> 
>> Don't worry, Crazy.  All they have to do is read ONE loopy message from
>> you, and they won't care WHAT you do and don't like.
> 
> I don't particularly care. I'm just tired of you WP losers stomping on the
> heads of others just so you can squawk about your superiority.

So then why do you expend so much energy here?  Trying to "prove"
something?  Don't worry, Crazy, we already know that you're probably the
biggest asshole (not to mention, whining, effete, yappy bitch) to come
down the pike in a LONG time.

(snip)

> More hatchet editing to make yourself look good, BUNGALOW-BOY? Must make
> you feel like quite a man, eh? bok . . . bok . . . bok . . .

No, not really.  You just never know when to shut up, so I'm doing what I
can to keep your diatribes of bearable length.  I think we've stumbled on
to another reason why your ex finally had to resort to smacking you around.

> "Eat my shorts, you crackpot."
> -----Les Griswold

All right, Crazy!  LOVE the new SIG!

Les


--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Sep  7 23:39:00 PDT 1995
Article: 1696 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: OJ Found Innocent - Whites Riot
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ibokor (ibokor@metz.une.edu.au) writes:
> Marcus Aurelius (xenith@er6.rutgers.edu) wrote:
> : Whites would never lower themselves to the level of burning their
> : own towns and stores to the ground. 
> : It's an evolutionary thing, you wouldn't understand.
> : M
> : 
> 
> What "colour" was Nero?

1)  Real good.  And how long ago was he?

2)  White, according to reality.  Non-white, according to liberals like you.

Les


--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Sep  8 08:05:53 PDT 1995
Article: 6498 of alt.revisionism
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: A Simple Experiment
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Crazy Jeanne Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu), under the
influence of Thorazine, writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
   
(snip)
   
>> Laying back and welcoming the world to hit you again is not maturity,
>> tolerance and compassion.  It's cowardice.
> 
> Living in isolation, plotting to overthrow the government and blaming your
> problems on da joos is ridiculous. The world isn't hitting you -- you are.
> If you believe that learning about other cultures and individuals beyond
> stereotypes is letting the world hit you, then you are really a pathetic
> little man.

Learning about other cultures is one thing.  Having government-sanctioned
multiracialism shoved down one's throat is quite another.  I can't wait
until YOU personally have to experience some of the shit that you claim is
no basis for racism.  How will you react then, Crazy?

Of course, you're now going to go on and on and ON about how you'd "love"
to have the same opportunities that we're squandering.  Well, go ahead. 
Tell us whatever B.S. comes to mind, Crazy.  Just be honest with yourself,
even if you can't be honest with us.

Les



--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Sep  8 08:05:54 PDT 1995
Article: 6506 of alt.revisionism
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Jewish media control (was: Dark Lord)
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jonathan edelstein (jonathan@soho.ios.com) writes:
> Sara aka Perrrfect (schwartz@infinet.com) wrote:
> :  
> : > Interesting.  Is there an equivalent to "Married... with Children", or
> : > "Roseanne", that portrays jews in the same light?  (It's interesting to
> : > note that the entire cast of "Roseanne" is jewish, with the exception of
> : > John Goodmna, yet they pretend that they're "White trash").
> : >  
> : Well, "The Nanny," who I personally find to be a whiny "Jewish American
> : Princess" stereotype is supposed to be Jewish. So what's your point? One
> : of the cops (or more) on Hill Street Blues was Jewish. So what's your
> : point?
> 
> Not to mention Miles Silverberg on "Murphy Brown"

A neurotic jellyfish.

> and Lilith on "Cheers."

An adulterous shrew... hey, maybe they ARE portraying jews accurately on
sit-coms...

Les


--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Sep  8 08:05:55 PDT 1995
Article: 6507 of alt.revisionism
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: A Simple Experiment
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Crazy Jeanne Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
    
(snip)
    
>> Of course, you're now going to go on and on and ON about how you'd "love"
>> to have the same opportunities that we're squandering.  Well, go ahead. 
>> Tell us whatever B.S. comes to mind, Crazy.  Just be honest with yourself,
>> even if you can't be honest with us.
> 
> Okay, I'll be honest, Les. You're not only a pathetic little man, but the
> vilest piece of shit in this newsgroup.

Oh me oh my, Crazy Jeanne Kowalewski is getting steamed at me!  Whatever
for, Crazy?  Because I made fun of your sob-stories?

Les

--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Sep  8 09:38:22 PDT 1995
Article: 1387 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Black brains ARE smaller than whites
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Rob Carscadden (carscadd@pps.duke.edu) writes:

(snip)

> Their bones and muscles are better developed and bigger. Making blacks 
> have a larger body size! This isn't rocket size buddy.

Bigger, yes.  Better developed - where'd you get this?
 
> By the Way, there has been no link between brain size (or any ratio of 
> brain and body sizes) and intelligence anyways.

Oh, bull.  Anyone with half a brain (even you) can see where all of the
studies of the past 70-odd years are pointing.  Brain MASS does indeed
have a direct correlation to intelligence, but even of more importance is
the presence of large, well-developed frontal lobes.  The frontal lobes in
Blacks are smaller and of more primitive structure than the corresponding
areas in White brains.

Les


--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Sep  8 09:38:23 PDT 1995
Article: 1391 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: 100 facts about whites and blacks.
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 (Unknown) writes:
> In article , "Bret J. Roth"  says:
>>
>>To DCI(dickhead con idiot), there is this thing called DNA...and 
>>according to genetics experts, black people's DNA comes closer than white 
>>people's DNA to matching the DNA of apes. 
>>White=brite=light.......black=slack=lack=crack
> 
> Actually, ape DNA is 97%-98% similar to HUMAN DNA.  So are you trying to
> say that white and black DNA differs by at least 1%?  Did you know that 
> DNA consists of 4 bases (adenine, cystosine, guanine, and thymine).  Each
> person's genetic code consists of millions of these bases in an arrangement
> unique to themselves.  Only 4% of the millions of combinations within that
> individual determines characteristics such as race, eye color, and other
> visible and not so visible traits.

Then I guess a huge difference lies in that 4%, eh?

Les


--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Sep  8 09:43:28 PDT 1995
Article: 1766 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: You know, Jeannie...
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Crazy Jeanne Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>> ... you're such a whiny bitch that I'm starting to wonder if your first
>> husband was really all that bad.  He probably put up with a LOT of your
>> bull before he finally overloaded and popped you one.
> 
> Well, Les -- I'm sure that you and he would be pretty good friends. You
> could call up Burdi and go out on the town to get drunk, kick a woman in
> the head, and threaten a few ni****s, and then you can go home and beat
> the hell out of your wife. After all, Les -- YOU wear the pants in the
> family, and YOU need to prove that YOU'RE a man, who will be obeyed
> without questioning or backtalk. 

Man, you must be traumatized something wicked to be ranting like that.

BTW, Crazy, you're among friends here.  You don't need to go censoring
yourself; just type "niggers" whenever you wanna prove a point.  That
"****" shit just doesn't cut it.

> BTW, make sure that she's eight months pregnant when you do it, and do it
> the night before Mother's Day! Then you can take her out for breakfast the
> next day and tell her that it will never happen again. Make that first
> time really special, Les, and she'll never forget it! 

Are you trying to tell us something, Crazy?
 
> (The next time, Les, why don't you humiliate her by forcing her into
> serving you sexually by threatening her life? You wouldn't want it to get
> boring, now, would you?) Yeah, you'd probably think that he was quite a
> guy . . .

More personal stuff, Crazy?  Hey, we care about you (snicker!) but this
isn't the Wailing-fucking-Wall.

Les

--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Sep  9 03:22:51 PDT 1995
Article: 6640 of alt.revisionism
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: A Simple Experiment
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Stewart King (slking@fas.harvard.edu) writes:
> Hi, Les!  Remember me?

Unfortunately, yes.

> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:

(snip)

> : Learning about other cultures is one thing.  Having government-sanctioned
> : multiracialism shoved down one's throat is quite another.  I can't wait
> : until YOU personally have to experience some of the shit that you claim is
> : no basis for racism.  How will you react then, Crazy?
> 
> It's been so long, I don't even know which shit we're talking about any 
> more.  Explain.

Pay attention.  Keep your urge to blurt out any old thing under control
until you understand what's actually being said.
 
> Sorry I wasn't around all summer like I promised, but I discovered that 
> paying for net access and spending the time talking to white supremacists 
> about culture just isn't my style.

Yeah, sure.  You just whimped out, ya fuckin' chicken.
 
> So learning about other cultures is one thing, eh?  I love how Jews are 
> running the world because they've arranged it so the important things are 
> the ones they're good at, the nefarious bastards, while if Africans can't 
> just pick right up in a technological society it's their own damn fault.  
> Talk about lack of cultural perspective.  Please.

It is.

> -Stewart King
> your nickname for me was "stooie," but you can think of a new one.  or 
> can you?

Would I want to waste the effort?
 
> PS.  I've crossposted this to alt.fan.michael-bolton.  Traffic's down there.

I don't think they'll appreciate your philanthropism.  Michael Bolton fans?

(As an aside, I once had a room-mate who liked Michael Bolthead in a big
way.  Scary!)

Les

--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Sep  9 03:51:57 PDT 1995
Article: 1839 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: You know, Jeannie...
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Crazy Jeanne Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:

(snip)
 
>> BTW, Crazy, you're among friends here.  You don't need to go censoring
>> yourself; just type "niggers" whenever you wanna prove a point.  That
>> "****" shit just doesn't cut it.
> 
> My friends do not toss around the term "ni****" in casual conversation or
> to make a point, Les. Even you were able to figure out what I meant, and I
> am not about to let a bigot start dictating what language I will or will
> not use. You may wear the pants in your family, but this is not Lesland,
> and I will use whatever terminology I choose. If you don't like my
> language, you can killfile me or get the hell out of this newsgroup. I
> told you before that I am not leaving.

Ooh!  Do I sense DEFENSIVENESS here?  Far be it for ME to tell a
humanitarian like YOU what language to use!
 
>> > BTW, make sure that she's eight months pregnant when you do it, and do it
>> > the night before Mother's Day! Then you can take her out for breakfast the
>> > next day and tell her that it will never happen again. Make that first
>> > time really special, Les, and she'll never forget it! 
>> 
>> Are you trying to tell us something, Crazy?
> 
> Yeah, I think that ol' bumbling Les is capable of being a monster to
> anyone that he considers his inferior. You consider all women and children
> and 99% of all men to be inferior, don't you, Les?

Nope.  But thanks for trying.  Guess again.
 
>> > (The next time, Les, why don't you humiliate her by forcing her into
>> > serving you sexually by threatening her life? You wouldn't want it to get
>> > boring, now, would you?) Yeah, you'd probably think that he was quite a
>> > guy . . .
>> 
>> More personal stuff, Crazy?  Hey, we care about you (snicker!) but this
>> isn't the Wailing-fucking-Wall.
> 
> I think you probably hate everyone, including yourself. Your whole life is
> based on hating others and debasing them just to make yourself feel
> superior. Isn't it time for you to scuttle off again, you despicable
> cockroach?

Crazy, Crazy, Crazy...

Why do you abuse me so?  What have I EVER done to deserve such abuse from
you?  I'm starting to get the impression that you don't like me!

Les

--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Sep  9 11:31:39 PDT 1995
Article: 1467 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Observations one fine Friday afternoon...
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I was at a local shopping centre yesterday, buying my lunch.  I grabbed
one of the few available seats in the food court, it being quite crowded. 
Unfortunately, there was a Black woman and her pickaninny nearby.  "Oh,
well, should be interesting to observe, if I don't lose my appetite.", I
thought.  It WAS interesting, most interesting.

I was unsurprised to see that she had a box of Kentucky Fried Chicken in
front of her.  She was obviously trying to feed her pickaninny, but
without much success:  he was more interested in climbing all over her,
the seat/table, grabbing anything on the table that interested him, and
generally acting like an animal.  This pickaninny must have been three
years old, and was acting like a monkey!  I've seen lemurs that were
better behaved.  Anyway, this kid decides that he wants the straw-wrapper
on the table, and spits out the food that his poor beleagured mother has
been trying to shove down his throat.  Yummers!  Nothing like masticated
chicken and fries to perk up the ole appetite!

The piccaninny looked at me during his performance, as if to seek approval
for his behaviour.  He smiled, and it resembled nothing so much as the
smile of a SEVERELY retarded person.  His eyes held about as much
intelligence as my dog's (although this is being unfair to my dog).

Well, it was almost time to get back to work, but it sure was something
else to see a Black acting natural.  I love it when liberals try to
tell us that there's no difference between Blacks and Whites, having been
impressed by some superficial difference.  They should take a look at the
(mis)behaviour of Black children versus the behaviour of White children.

Les

--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Sep  9 11:31:40 PDT 1995
Article: 1468 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: LES not LESTER (was Lester, this Buds for you!)
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Lester Toews (mct394@freenet.mb.ca) writes:
> I realize this is ego on my part or just plain anal retentive personality 
> problems but 
> 
> why do so many here refer to Les Griswold as 'Lester.'
> 
> Since he always posts with his sig as 'Les' why not leave it at that.
> 
> I realize I probably don't have any fans or nearly as many people 
> interested in my posts but it is confusing. I am Lester; Les is the neo-nazi.
> I confront neo-nazis; Les is one of them.
> We are polar opposites.
> 
> On Wed, 6 Sep 1995, Cobra wrote:
>> Lester, sometimes I really just want to tear into you with name calling
>> feel important. I've responded to you Lester!! Kudos for Lester! Hurrah!
>> Now we liberals really like you a lot Lester because we respect
>> Come on, Jeanne, come over and give Lester one big virtual bear hug. He's
>> for you Lester.
>> Let's all show Lester how much we care!!
> 
> Why use 'Lester' when he does not?
> Is it because 'Lester' seems even nerdier than 'Les'?
> Look these guys are low because of the ideologies they peddle and because 
> of the horrendous acts they commit against immigrants and gays, etc.
> Attacks on what their names are or how their typing skill (re: numerous 
> posts attacking Lemire for his spelling) seem pointless and trivial especially 
> compared to the real threats they create through their deeds and ideas.
> Let us stick to content and not form.

Ah, you love it, don't deny it!

Lester


--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Sep  9 11:31:41 PDT 1995
Article: 1471 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Black brains ARE smaller than whites
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Rob Carscadden (carscadd@pps.duke.edu) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>Rob Carscadden (carscadd@pps.duke.edu) writes:
>>
>>(snip)
>>
>>> Their bones and muscles are better developed and bigger. Making blacks 
>>> have a larger body size! This isn't rocket size buddy.
>>
>>Bigger, yes.  Better developed - where'd you get this?
>> 
>>> By the Way, there has been no link between brain size (or any ratio of 
>>> brain and body sizes) and intelligence anyways.
>>
>>Oh, bull.  Anyone with half a brain (even you) can see where all of the
>>studies of the past 70-odd years are pointing.  Brain MASS does indeed
>>have a direct correlation to intelligence, but even of more importance is
>>the presence of large, well-developed frontal lobes.  The frontal lobes in
>>Blacks are smaller and of more primitive structure than the corresponding
>>areas in White brains.

> Les,
> 
>     Let's see now. Very few geniuses' brains have been preserved and 
> measured. One of the few that has been belonged to Karl Fredrick Gauss (a 
> mathematician, I might add) and guess what? his brain was not any bigger 
> than normal! What the man who gave us linear algebra and whole bunch of 
> other mathematical gems. the man who still regarded as one of the best 
> mathemacians ever, didn't have a huge brain? That's right! 

Re-read my post, moron.  I said that MASS makes a lot of difference, but
that DEVELOPMENT is even MORE important.  How sulcified was Mr. Gauss'
brain?  How well-developed was it?

> Granted one data point doesn't prove a correlation, but I'd like you to 
> direct me to any recent study which draws the conclusion that bigger 
> brains make smarter people!

Ah, yes, the "old is proof that it's WRONG!" school of thought.
 
> By the way, notice that the original poster evaded the fact that white 
> brains are not bigger, just a bigger percentage of over all body weight. 
> I'm not so sure if this is even true and would like to see him provide 
> some documentation. In the spirit of fairness, I'll document my Gaussian 
> claim.
> 
> Spitzka, E. A. 1907 "A Study of the Brains of Six Eminent Scienctists and 
> Scholars belonging to the American Anthropometric Society, together with 
> a description o fthe skull of Professor E.D. Cope" Transactions of The 
> American Philosopical Society 21, pp 175-308
> 
> By the way, the other five S&S weren't too impressive in brain size 
> either, but I din't mention them because they are not in the same league 
> as Karl Fredrick.

Les


--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Sep  9 12:00:04 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: You know, Jeannie...
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Crazy Jeanne Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
 
(snip)
  
>> > My friends do not toss around the term "ni****" in casual conversation or
>> > to make a point, Les. Even you were able to figure out what I meant, and I
>> > am not about to let a bigot start dictating what language I will or will
>> > not use. You may wear the pants in your family, but this is not Lesland,
>> > and I will use whatever terminology I choose. If you don't like my
>> > language, you can killfile me or get the hell out of this newsgroup. I
>> > told you before that I am not leaving.
>> 
>> Ooh!  Do I sense DEFENSIVENESS here?  Far be it for ME to tell a
>> humanitarian like YOU what language to use!
> 
> No, Les, what you sensed was assertiveness. Yeah, it probably is a new
> experience for you to see a woman set limits and stick to them. You will
> never have the right or opportunity to dictate my language, my beliefs, or
> my actions.

Well, me oh my!  This brings a lump to my throat and tears to my eyes! 
It's nice to see you assert some of that "assertiveness", right here on
a.p.w-p, and give poor ole Rob a break.

BTW, where IS the ole ball and chain?  Doing housework?

(snip)

>> >> > (The next time, Les, why don't you humiliate her by forcing her into
>> >> > serving you sexually by threatening her life? You wouldn't want it to get
>> >> > boring, now, would you?) Yeah, you'd probably think that he was quite a
>> >> > guy . . .
>> >> 
>> >> More personal stuff, Crazy?  Hey, we care about you (snicker!) but this
>> >> isn't the Wailing-fucking-Wall.
> 
> You can't resist throwing in an anti-Semitic slur just to keep in practice, eh?

Yep.  And your point is...?
 
(snip)
 
>> Les
> the scuttling cockroach putz of alt.white.inbred.losers
                          ^^^^
I really must object to your use of a jewish term to describe me, though.

Les


--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Sep  9 21:39:25 PDT 1995
Article: 1889 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: A Simple Experiment
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Charisse Wilburn (cdwilbur@email.unc.edu) writes:
>> 
>> >Just remember that the statistics also show that blacks have IQ's 
>> >between 6 and 20 points lower than whites on average.
>> >
>> 
>> 	Oh yes, statistics made by Whites!
>> 
> And tests made by Whites!!

As well they should be, since our entire civilization was ALSO built by
Whites.

Les


--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Sep  9 21:39:26 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: A Simple Experiment
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pereira (pereira@iwawi.bv.tu-berlin.de) writes:
> In article , 
> j-east@maroon.tc.umn.edu says...
> 
>>Just remember that the statistics also show that blacks have IQ's 
>>between 6 and 20 points lower than whites on average.
>>
> 
> 	Oh yes, statistics made by Whites!

... along with anything else pertinent to our civilization (please, let's
not start another round of "Charles Drew was BLACK, man!").

Statistics are expression of fact.  No-one MAKES them, White, Black, Yellow or 
Red.

Les

--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


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Subject: Re: A Simple Experiment
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pereira (pereira@iwawi.bv.tu-berlin.de) writes:
> In article , 
> j-east@maroon.tc.umn.edu says...
> 
>>Just remember that the statistics also show that blacks have IQ's 
>>between 6 and 20 points lower than whites on average.
>>
> 
> 	Oh yes, statistics made by Whites!

... along with anything else pertinent to our civilization (please, let's
not start another round of "Charles Drew was BLACK, man!").

Statistics are expression of fact.  No-one MAKES them, White, Black, Yellow or 
Red.

Les

--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Sep  9 23:19:08 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: A Simple Experiment
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Charisse Wilburn (cdwilbur@email.unc.edu) writes:
>> 
>> >Just remember that the statistics also show that blacks have IQ's 
>> >between 6 and 20 points lower than whites on average.
>> >
>> 
>> 	Oh yes, statistics made by Whites!
>> 
> And tests made by Whites!!

As well they should be, since our entire civilization was ALSO built by
Whites.

Les


--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


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pereira (pereira@iwawi.bv.tu-berlin.de) writes:
> In article , 
> j-east@maroon.tc.umn.edu says...
> 
>>Just remember that the statistics also show that blacks have IQ's 
>>between 6 and 20 points lower than whites on average.
>>
> 
> 	Oh yes, statistics made by Whites!

... along with anything else pertinent to our civilization (please, let's
not start another round of "Charles Drew was BLACK, man!").

Statistics are expression of fact.  No-one MAKES them, White, Black, Yellow or 
Red.

Les

--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Sep 11 03:59:09 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: How predictable...
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I could have predicted this:  following my message about eB's hanging out
on a.s.f.f., the liberal posturing is already starting.  "I didn't know
there was even such a group!" (yeah, sure), and "What were YOU doing
there?"  Strangely enough, these sorts of questions are never asked about
LIBERALS.  Of course, they're just doing "research". BWAHAHAHA!!!

BTW, Beavis, how's the ole feet?

Les

--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Observations one fine Friday afternoon...
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I was at a local shopping centre yesterday, buying my lunch.  I grabbed
one of the few available seats in the food court, it being quite crowded. 
Unfortunately, there was a Black woman and her pickaninny nearby.  "Oh,
well, should be interesting to observe, if I don't lose my appetite.", I
thought.  It WAS interesting, most interesting.
 
I was unsurprised to see that she had a box of Kentucky Fried Chicken in
front of her.  She was obviously trying to feed her pickaninny, but
without much success:  he was more interested in climbing all over her,
the seat/table, grabbing anything on the table that interested him, and
generally acting like an animal.  This pickaninny must have been three
years old, and was acting like a monkey!  I've seen lemurs that were
better behaved.  Anyway, this kid decides that he wants the straw-wrapper
on the table, and spits out the food that his poor beleagured mother has
been trying to shove down his throat.  Yummers!  Nothing like masticated
chicken and fries to perk up the ole appetite!
 
The piccaninny looked at me during his performance, as if to seek approval
for his behaviour.  He smiled, and it resembled nothing so much as the
smile of a SEVERELY retarded person.  His eyes held about as much
intelligence as my dog's (although this is being unfair to my dog).
 
Well, it was almost time to get back to work, but it sure was something
else to see a Black acting natural.  I love it when liberals try to
tell us that there's no difference between Blacks and Whites, having been
impressed by some superficial likeness.  They should take a look at the
(mis)behaviour of Black children versus the behaviour of White children.
 
Les
--
The best weapon is dead, worthless material as long as the spirit is
lacking which is ready, willing and determined to use it.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Sep 11 04:04:16 PDT 1995
Article: 1938 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: How predictable...
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I could have predicted this:  following my message about eB's hanging out
on a.s.f.f., the liberal posturing is already starting.  "I didn't know
there was even such a group!" (yeah, sure), and "What were YOU doing
there?"  Strangely enough, these sorts of questions are never asked about
LIBERALS.  Of course, they're just doing "research". BWAHAHAHA!!!

BTW, Beavis, how's the ole feet?

Les

--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Sep 11 16:58:28 PDT 1995
Article: 1603 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Jeannie`s toes! (was: ALT.SEX.FANTASIES.LES)
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Crazy Jeanne Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:

(snip)
 
> While you were skulking around, did you see any messages proclaiming that
> the wearing of shoes would be considered treason in a future Naked Toes
> Homeland? Did you see anyone suggesting that people with bunions or
> hammer-toes be deported? How about ethnic cleansing for anyone with an IQ
> larger than their shoe size? (Oh, that's YOUR policy.)

Lemme guess... you have ugly feet!
 
Les


--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Sep 11 17:08:25 PDT 1995
Article: 2030 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Jeannie`s toes! (was: ALT.SEX.FANTASIES.LES)
Message-ID: 
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Crazy Jeanne Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:

(snip)
 
> While you were skulking around, did you see any messages proclaiming that
> the wearing of shoes would be considered treason in a future Naked Toes
> Homeland? Did you see anyone suggesting that people with bunions or
> hammer-toes be deported? How about ethnic cleansing for anyone with an IQ
> larger than their shoe size? (Oh, that's YOUR policy.)

Lemme guess... you have ugly feet!
 
Les


--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Sep 11 19:42:46 PDT 1995
Article: 6904 of alt.revisionism
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: A Simple Experiment
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Craig A. Schiller (s565933@aix2.uottawa.ca) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Craig A. Schiller (s565933@aix2.uottawa.ca) writes:
> 
> : > Racial differences in performance on IQ tests can be traced directly to
> : > the quality of education available to the specific people tested, not to
> : > any universal genetically-based inferiority or superiority. 
> 
> : Bullshit.  That "premise" is based on the results of the US Army Alpha
> : Intelligence tests given in 1917, and the "high performing Blacks" myth
> : came about as a result of comparing the four BEST Northern Negro states' stats
> : with the four POOREST Southern White states' stats.
> 
> The BEST states where quality education is available, and the POOREST 
> states where it isn't. 

And was education of ANY SORT available anywhere in Africa, except where
it was IMPOSED by Whites?

> How is it that you can't process this, Les? Even smart people who go to
> bad schools will perform poorly on IQ tests. (And no, it does NOT follow
> that dumb people who go to good schools will perform well.)
> 
> If blacks really are so inferior, Les, then how do you explain that every 
> black person I've ever worked with has been just as intelligent, capable 
> and talented as any white person? Luck of the draw?

Probably.  They're hardly representative of what Blacks can accomplish on
their own.

I contest your insinuation that because the Blacks you've "worked with"
are just as intelligent, capable and talented as any White person, that
ALL Blacks are similarly gifted.  Why, then, is Black Africa such a
hell-hole?  Haiti?

(snip)

> Craig, who's beginning to feel as though he's beating his head against a 
> brick wall 

If clinging tenaciously to your "see no evil, hear no evil" beliefs in the
face of reality is "beating (your) head against a brick wall", then beat away.

Les


--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Sep 11 23:25:30 PDT 1995
Article: 1629 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Here's a paradigm for you liberals...
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Sender: bn946@freenet3.carleton.ca (Les Griswold)
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If hanging around on alt.sex.fetish.feet is deviant, then evil Beavis is
just as deviant as I am.  I notice that you're all strangely silent on
this one.  If it's NOT deviant, then why all the fuss that I was over
there in the first place?

Les, who really can't understand the liberals making a big fuss over this.


--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Sep 11 23:25:31 PDT 1995
Article: 1630 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: BIG can o' worms! (was: White men and Black women; opinions.)
Message-ID: 
Sender: bn946@freenet3.carleton.ca (Les Griswold)
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Brendan J. F. Scallon (scallon@pyrotechnics.com) writes:
> Hello, I am seeing these posts and stuff about how White women have to be
> protected from Black men who are taking them away.  Now I am wondering,
> what about White men with Black women?  True there is a history of White
> men who raped Black women during slavery and the KKK, but what do you
> guys say about White men who go out with Black women?

Hoo, boy, you asked, and brother! are you gonna receive:

It's sick.

Les

--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Sep 11 23:27:10 PDT 1995
Article: 2065 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Here's a paradigm for you liberals...
Message-ID: 
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If hanging around on alt.sex.fetish.feet is deviant, then evil Beavis is
just as deviant as I am.  I notice that you're all strangely silent on
this one.  If it's NOT deviant, then why all the fuss that I was over
there in the first place?

Les, who really can't understand the liberals making a big fuss over this.


--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Sep 11 23:27:11 PDT 1995
Article: 2066 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: BIG can o' worms! (was: White men and Black women; opinions.)
Message-ID: 
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Brendan J. F. Scallon (scallon@pyrotechnics.com) writes:
> Hello, I am seeing these posts and stuff about how White women have to be
> protected from Black men who are taking them away.  Now I am wondering,
> what about White men with Black women?  True there is a history of White
> men who raped Black women during slavery and the KKK, but what do you
> guys say about White men who go out with Black women?

Hoo, boy, you asked, and brother! are you gonna receive:

It's sick.

Les

--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Sep 12 08:23:21 PDT 1995
Article: 6976 of alt.revisionism
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: LESLIE FUBAR boy DOESN'T KNOW HISTORY!
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Juice-City1 (jwccti1@aol.com) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Leslie FUBAR boy) wrote:
> 
>> Bullshit.  That "premise" [that American blacks are statiscally mentally
> inferior > to American whites]  is based on the results of the US Army
> Alpha
>> Intelligence tests given in 1917, and the "high performing Blacks" myth
>> came about as a result of comparing the four BEST Northern Negro states'
>> stats with the four POOREST Southern White states' stats.

Please don't throw your liberal lies into my mouth, so to speak.  I was
talking about the fairy-tale that well-educated Northern Blacks
outperformed poorly-educated Southern Whites.
 
> It is difficult to understand why even a foreigner like Leslie FUBAR boy
> would be so misinformed about the U.S. millitary in 1917.  The Army as
> well as the other services were totally segregated, and were more so
> during the World War (later called World War I) than at any time before or
> since in U.S. history.  Woodrow Wilson was an ardent segregationist, who
> reversed a number of integration policies of his predecessor (actually
> second predecessor back), Theodore Roosevelt. Wilson believed that even
> considering exceptional blacks for high positions was a waste of time. 
> There were a few junior officers in the U.S. Army, in charge of blacks
> troops of course.  I don't think there was a single black officer in the
> Navy. 

There are now.  And look at what a shit-hole the Navy is (not to mention the
OTHER branches of the U.S. Armed Forces)
 
(snip)

> It is likely that tests in World War I were administered to blacks with
> the same lack of respect for human dignity that they were subjected to in
> everything else in those days, and that the tests did no more than verify
> a "correct" conclusion.  

And how much "human dignity" did Blacks have in Liberia, or Ghana?  How
much do they have today?  Even under slavery, Blacks had it FAR better
under "white devils" than they would have back in Africa.  Now, before you
go flying off the handle with some _Roots_ inspired stories about abuse of
slaves, I'm not denying that abuses occurred.  What I AM saying is, in the
U.S. they were the exception; in Black Africa, they were the rule.
 
(snip)

Les


--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Sep 13 07:54:03 PDT 1995
Article: 7122 of alt.revisionism
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Jeannie`s gettin` steamed! (was: Jeannie`s toes!)
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Jeanne Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:
> In article <4351nm$r6l@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, schoedel@aol.com (SCHOEDEL)
> wrote:
> 
>> <> and lick her feet.  I don`t think we`d get an objective opinion.  I
>> wonder what Robbie would have to say about this, and why he isn`t here
>> defedning the love o`his life...
>> 
>> That's easy...the battle-axe ,er love, o' his life won't let him!!!!!
> 
> Too bad that your parents didn't boot you in the butt more often so that
> you'd be more respectful of your elders, Rev. Evidently, they believed in
> smacking you upside the head to get your attention -- otherwise you might
> recall that I just wrote that Rob's IP is really quirky in getting and
> receiving UseNet posts. 

Looks like Jeannie`s getting miffed, Rev. Ron!  I`d watch out... first,
she threatens to boot us in the balls, then she talks about slapping kids
up-side the head.  I wonder if she`s sharing her child-raising techniques
with us...

Les

--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Sep 13 08:05:15 PDT 1995
Article: 1687 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Them lib`rals just LOVE their sexual perversions!
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It`s pretty funny, now some libs are blowing gaskets about how I
`skulked`around on the alt.sex boards, looking for `something
embarrassing` about OTHER liberals... like they NEVER do anything like that!

Les

--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Sep 13 08:05:16 PDT 1995
Article: 1688 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: BIG can o' worms! (was: White men and Black women; opinions.)
Message-ID: 
Sender: bn946@freenet3.carleton.ca (Les Griswold)
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Christopher Henrik Lund (christop@ifi.uio.no) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
>> Brendan J. F. Scallon (scallon@pyrotechnics.com) writes:
> 
> 	[snip]
> 
>> > guys say about White men who go out with Black women?
>> 
>> Hoo, boy, you asked, and brother! are you gonna receive:
>> 
>> It's sick.
> 
> Why?

That`s not too dissimilar from asking why pedophillia is sick.

Of course, I know that you`ve been around long enough not to be ignorant
of basic facts and realities.  You`re just choosing to be obtuse and stupid.

Les



--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Sep 13 08:05:17 PDT 1995
Article: 1691 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Hate crimes...
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Pretty funny, libs like Astro Boy are saying that the Black-on-White
assault statistics are `stupid`, without addressing whether or not they`re
TRUE.  This is so pathetically typical of the liberal arguiing style.

Les

--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Sep 13 08:05:20 PDT 1995
Article: 1751 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Them lib`rals just LOVE their sexual perversions!
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Joseph L Poulin (poulin@titan.oit.umass.edu) writes:

(snip)
 
> 	Oh, and about the other newsgroups... We are just trying to help
> you resolve the logical inconsistency in your reasoning.  Oh, and sorry,
> but we have better things to do than wander obscure newsgroups for the
> sole purpose of trying to find someone to embarass.

LIKE HELL!!!  That`s the funniest thing I`ve heard from a liberal in a
LOOOONG time!

Les


--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Sep 13 08:05:21 PDT 1995
Article: 1755 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Jeannie`s gettin` steamed! (was: Jeannie`s toes!)
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Jeanne Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:
> In article <4351nm$r6l@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, schoedel@aol.com (SCHOEDEL)
> wrote:
> 
>> <> and lick her feet.  I don`t think we`d get an objective opinion.  I
>> wonder what Robbie would have to say about this, and why he isn`t here
>> defedning the love o`his life...
>> 
>> That's easy...the battle-axe ,er love, o' his life won't let him!!!!!
> 
> Too bad that your parents didn't boot you in the butt more often so that
> you'd be more respectful of your elders, Rev. Evidently, they believed in
> smacking you upside the head to get your attention -- otherwise you might
> recall that I just wrote that Rob's IP is really quirky in getting and
> receiving UseNet posts. 

Looks like Jeannie`s getting miffed, Rev. Ron!  I`d watch out... first,
she threatens to boot us in the balls, then she talks about slapping kids
up-side the head.  I wonder if she`s sharing her child-raising techniques
with us...

Les

--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Sep 13 08:23:02 PDT 1995
Article: 2136 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Them lib`rals just LOVE their sexual perversions!
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It`s pretty funny, now some libs are blowing gaskets about how I
`skulked`around on the alt.sex boards, looking for `something
embarrassing` about OTHER liberals... like they NEVER do anything like that!

Les

--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Sep 13 08:23:04 PDT 1995
Article: 2137 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: BIG can o' worms! (was: White men and Black women; opinions.)
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Christopher Henrik Lund (christop@ifi.uio.no) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
>> Brendan J. F. Scallon (scallon@pyrotechnics.com) writes:
> 
> 	[snip]
> 
>> > guys say about White men who go out with Black women?
>> 
>> Hoo, boy, you asked, and brother! are you gonna receive:
>> 
>> It's sick.
> 
> Why?

That`s not too dissimilar from asking why pedophillia is sick.

Of course, I know that you`ve been around long enough not to be ignorant
of basic facts and realities.  You`re just choosing to be obtuse and stupid.

Les



--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Sep 13 08:23:04 PDT 1995
Article: 2139 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Great observations, Les!
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 (evil Beavis) writes:
> And you, "Rev." Ron, is one of those sick motherfuckers that mommies 
> try to keep their babies away from. Obviously you have no family of 
> your own, that's why you're so hateful and desperate for attention.

... but you`d be willing to forgive him if he could get you GIFs of the
feet of the girls of TLC, rightÉ

Les

--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Sep 13 08:23:06 PDT 1995
Article: 2220 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: BIG can o' worms! (was: White men and Black women; opinions.)
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 (evil Beavis) writes:
>>  
>>  That`s not too dissimilar from asking why pedophillia is sick.
>>  
>>  Of course, I know that you`ve been around long enough not to be ignorant
>>  of basic facts and realities.  You`re just choosing to be obtuse and stupid.
> 
> So you're comparing people like me to sick paedophiliacs Les. That's pretty stupid, 
> even for you! I don't think you could handle a real woman.

Just so long as you get to suck and lick their toes, right?

Les

--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Sep 13 08:23:07 PDT 1995
Article: 2221 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Liberal projection
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McKinstry (cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz) writes:

(snip - eB`s missive about toe-sucking deleted)

>> Need I say more?  I'll bet that cruising the alt.sex boards would net
>> anyone a LOT of liberal names.  Then again, most of them are probably
>> discreet enough to either use other accounts or the anon service, or to remain
>> lurkers.
> 
> Yes, evil Beavis must be an upstanding citizen of the liberal community. 
> We have a confession from Jeff Han that he reads alt.sex.sheep.  So one
> wonders where liberal depravity will end?

It probably never will.  Liberals are only too happy to get the rest of us
to be as filthy and degenerate as they are, so they no longer have to
hide their deviancy.

Les


--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Sep 13 08:23:08 PDT 1995
Article: 2222 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Thanks for the mammaries, Jeannie...
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McKinstry (cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz) writes:
>> ... but you're just an idiot.  I mean, it was fun while it lasted, but
>> you're starting to get repititious, going in circles.  It starts off with
>> you going gung-ho against anyone you perceive as "racist", turning on the
>> waterworks when they point out (correctly) that you're full of it, then
>> getting haughty and rebellious when it's pointed out that you're spamming
>> the board with tales of your personal life that we really couldn't care
>> less about.  If you break out of this predictable cycle, I may start
>> speaking to you again, but frankly, I don't see how someone of your VAST
>> (bwahahaha!) talents could do that.
>> 
> The most probable reason why Jeannie has given a rendition of her personal
> life, is that she has nothing else to offer, all her stances against
> racism have long since been demolished, yet she feels, she must contribute
> against the growing tide of racist sentiment.  The most common way (and
> only way) for a liberal to have a hope in winning an argument is to bore
> the recipient into submission.  This action we have now both witnessed in
> Jeannie.

Pathetic, isn`t it?  Of course, not much else can contribute to the
liberal position; Duncan`s message summed up the extent of their
"arguments" quite succinctly.

Les


--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Sep 13 08:23:09 PDT 1995
Article: 2229 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Them lib`rals just LOVE their sexual perversions!
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Joseph L Poulin (poulin@titan.oit.umass.edu) writes:

(snip)
 
> 	Oh, and about the other newsgroups... We are just trying to help
> you resolve the logical inconsistency in your reasoning.  Oh, and sorry,
> but we have better things to do than wander obscure newsgroups for the
> sole purpose of trying to find someone to embarass.

LIKE HELL!!!  That`s the funniest thing I`ve heard from a liberal in a
LOOOONG time!

Les


--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Sep 13 08:23:09 PDT 1995
Article: 2232 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Any racist up for some debate?
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Jewett (jewemo00@ac.usfca.edu) writes:
> I am new to this newsgroup in posting, but I have been lurking here for
> quite a while.  Lurking so that I may get the general temperament of the
> posters in this group.
> 
> I feel I have lurked long enough.
> 
> I invite you (all of you) to the exchanging of ideas.  Simple, no more, no
> less.
> 
> I would like to know where you all came up with your opinions, that's all.
> 
> I am not trying to change you; perhaps, understand?
> 
> Interested?

Not particularly.  See, A.C. summed it up quite well, when he stated that
the liberal position is so untenable, that they have to resort to
"debating" (ie, name-calling and tantrum-throwing) to get their points
across.  Stick around a little more, you`ll see plenty of liberal "debate".

Les


--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Sep 13 08:23:10 PDT 1995
Article: 2233 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Jeannie`s gettin` steamed! (was: Jeannie`s toes!)
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Jeanne Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:
> In article <4351nm$r6l@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, schoedel@aol.com (SCHOEDEL)
> wrote:
> 
>> <> and lick her feet.  I don`t think we`d get an objective opinion.  I
>> wonder what Robbie would have to say about this, and why he isn`t here
>> defedning the love o`his life...
>> 
>> That's easy...the battle-axe ,er love, o' his life won't let him!!!!!
> 
> Too bad that your parents didn't boot you in the butt more often so that
> you'd be more respectful of your elders, Rev. Evidently, they believed in
> smacking you upside the head to get your attention -- otherwise you might
> recall that I just wrote that Rob's IP is really quirky in getting and
> receiving UseNet posts. 

Looks like Jeannie`s getting miffed, Rev. Ron!  I`d watch out... first,
she threatens to boot us in the balls, then she talks about slapping kids
up-side the head.  I wonder if she`s sharing her child-raising techniques
with us...

Les

--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Sep 13 14:15:44 PDT 1995
Article: 2250 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: BIG can o' worms! (was: White men and Black women; opinions.)
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 (Rick Jones) writes:
>>  >> > guys say about White men who go out with Black women?
>>  >> 
>>  >> Hoo, boy, you asked, and brother! are you gonna receive:
>>  >> 
>>  >> It's sick.
>>  > 
>>  > Why?
>>  
>>  That`s not too dissimilar from asking why pedophillia is sick.
> 
> Pedophilia is sick because it's a crime against a helpless victim.  I see 
> no victims in a consenting interracial relationship.  Maybe you can point
> out to us where they are.

You don`t see any victims?  How about the White race, whimp?

Les

--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Sep 14 22:29:43 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Black 'Gyptians! (was: A Simple Experiment)
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Pavel Nikiforovitch (beavis@crl.com) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> 
> : Cripes, here we go with the "'Gyptians was BLACK, man!" garbage.  Can't
> : you guys come up with anything new?  You haven't any REAL history, so you
> : have to steal ours and change it, so you can be the "good guys".
> 
> : Sheesh.

> you know, i am very intersted in finding out exactly what your definition 
> of white is.

Yeah, you and every other asshole around here.  Why?  So you can suck up
to us afterwards and say, "But see?  We really ARE White!"

> are arabs white?

Nope.  They`re Semites.

> are jews white?

Nope.  They`re either Semites (a minority), or Turko-Mongolic.  That many
of them have assimilated a portion of White genes makes no difference.

> what is white.  after you
> figure that out, then reexamine "your culture".  

I have, and I did.  That`s why I still consider White culture to be far
superior to any other.  It has many expressions:  German, English, French,
Swiss, Norwegian, Russian, Hungarian, etc etc.
 
> also, i'm kind of curious.  where you that guy in deliverance that raped 
> ned beatty???  i thought you looked famialiar.

Too bad.  You actually were semi-intelligent up to this point, idiot.

Les


--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Sep 15 08:45:08 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Neil (neilends@GAS.UUG.Arizona.EDU) writes:
> On Mon, 11 Sep 1995, Les Griswold wrote:
> 
>> I contest your insinuation that because the Blacks you've "worked with"
>> are just as intelligent, capable and talented as any White person, that
>> ALL Blacks are similarly gifted.  Why, then, is Black Africa such a
>> hell-hole?  Haiti?
> 
> I don't see how you can claim whites are superior based on the 
> 'hell-hole' description of Africa and Haiti. The worst hell-hole of all 
> time was Europe during WWII and the Holocaust, when thousands of 
> brainwashed whites orchestrated the largest massacre of human beings in 
> recorded history.

Good one, Neil:  compare Europe in the middle of a war to Black-run
countries at any time.  Really makes a good, impartial comparison of what
the races are capable of.

Haiti required massive U.S. intervention just to hold elections.  Could
they EVER have done it on their own?

> On top of that, other whites living in the rest of 
> Europe were too stupid to realize what was going on, and by the time they 
> finally reacted, it was almost too late. Finally, the white guy who 
> started the whole thing shot himself in the head when he realized he was 
> doomed. Wow, I'm really impressed. White guys are really superior, huh?
> [muffled laugh]

Maybe "the other Whites" in the rest of Europe didn't realize what was
going on because there WAS nothing going on to notice.

Les


--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Sep 15 08:56:29 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Hate crimes...
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Joseph L Poulet (poulin@twain.oit.umass.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Pretty funny, libs like Astro Boy are saying that the Black-on-White
> : assault statistics are `stupid`, without addressing whether or not they`re
> : TRUE.  This is so pathetically typical of the liberal arguiing style.
> 
> 	No, I think they said YOU were stupid, Les.  They did address the
> truth, if you bothered to read their responses.
> 	There were several analyses of your statistics and their shortcomings
> in the previous posts.  Please go back and read them.

Oh, gimme a break.  First and foremost, idiot, they weren`t "my"
statistics; as I recall, MILTON posted them.  Then along came the liberal
imbecile-train with their squawks of "racist stupidity!"

I know it`s hard for you, but please try to stay in the same world that
real people do.

Les

--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Sep 15 08:56:30 PDT 1995
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Neil (neilends@GAS.UUG.Arizona.EDU) writes:
> On Mon, 11 Sep 1995, Les Griswold wrote:
> 
>> I contest your insinuation that because the Blacks you've "worked with"
>> are just as intelligent, capable and talented as any White person, that
>> ALL Blacks are similarly gifted.  Why, then, is Black Africa such a
>> hell-hole?  Haiti?
> 
> I don't see how you can claim whites are superior based on the 
> 'hell-hole' description of Africa and Haiti. The worst hell-hole of all 
> time was Europe during WWII and the Holocaust, when thousands of 
> brainwashed whites orchestrated the largest massacre of human beings in 
> recorded history.

Good one, Neil:  compare Europe in the middle of a war to Black-run
countries at any time.  Really makes a good, impartial comparison of what
the races are capable of.

Haiti required massive U.S. intervention just to hold elections.  Could
they EVER have done it on their own?

> On top of that, other whites living in the rest of 
> Europe were too stupid to realize what was going on, and by the time they 
> finally reacted, it was almost too late. Finally, the white guy who 
> started the whole thing shot himself in the head when he realized he was 
> doomed. Wow, I'm really impressed. White guys are really superior, huh?
> [muffled laugh]

Maybe "the other Whites" in the rest of Europe didn't realize what was
going on because there WAS nothing going on to notice.

Les


--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Sep 15 08:56:31 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: An apology...
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This appeared in the September 1995 issue of _Instauration_.  I thought it
was right to the point.  The context is Arthur Kemp, a White South
African, tired of hearing Black demands for "apologies":

	We apologize that we have given them doctors and free medical care
as a result of which they were able to survive plagues and catastrophes
and grow in number.
	We apologize that we have taught them to read and write, that we
have built them thousands of schools which we have repaired when they have
burnt them down.
	We apologize that we have built factories and given them work.
	We apologize that we have provided them with clothing instead of
leaving them in animal skins which they wore before (the Whites') arrival.
	We apologize that we have taken minerals out of the earth which
were always there, but the indigenous peopl knew nothing about them.
	We apologize for those among us who have established welfare
organizations to feed and clothe them, something they themselves never had.
	We apologize that we have built road networks across the entire
country, which they use.
	We apologize that we have paid the lion's share of taxes, while we
spent the lesser portion on ourselves.
	For all these sins, we humbly beg forgiveness and, if you accept
our apologies, we will gladly back all of the above evil things and return
to Europe.

Wow, pretty strong stuff!

Les

--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Brendan J. F. Scallon (scallon@pyrotechnics.com) writes:

(snip)

> : I just hope someone decides someday that you are an animal and treats you 
> : accordingly. Then maybe you'll know what it is like to have one's 
> : humanity denied. By comparing interracial mating to zoophilia, you have 
> : put yourself out of the human species . I hope someone lets you know the 
> : comsequences.

The liberal dream:  "let`s do to Whitey what he`s done to the non-White
races!"

> Preach on, preach on, preach on.
> 
> Haven't any of you found Black women attractive?  Come on, Miss Universe
> is biracial and looks more Black than white and Miss USA from 2 years
> ago is THE BOMB!!!

To be honest, no.  Black females are attractive only in direct proportion
to the amount of White genes they have... and there`s more to being a
Negro than JUST dark skin.  A pale hybrid with everted lips, a wide flat
nose, kinky wool-like hair, yellowish sclerotic layer might pass for white
with brain-dead liberals, but no-one with an ounce of brains would call
such a creature white.
 
> I mean if I had a choice between an African American or an Anglo, I would
> choose the former of course; dark skin would be a less serious blemish
> than blond hair and blue eyes on the Irish heritage.  Africans did not
> enslave my people, ANGLOS did for 840 years.  Ideally I would try to find
> a fellow Irish-American wife, but if that does not happen, I will go for
> who comes to me, and most of the time it's those who are several times
> darker than myself.  So if you don't like my disbelief in this "white
> brotherhood" bullshit, as they say in the motherland "POG MO THOIN!!!"

It`s people like you who give the Irish a bad name.

> Goodbye.

And good riddance.

Les

--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Sep 15 08:57:28 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: A little hostile, are we?
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 (@scf.usc.edu) writes:

(snip)
 
>    well then, how about i take a stance against racism.

You mean, spout some anti-White bullshit.  Well, it DOES seem inevitable...
 
>    you fucking white-ass, illogical, bullshit-spewing, pathetic excuses
> for a race of people.  all you ever do is exploit other races and then
> whine when you finally realize that said races are now a "burden" to your
> fucked-up excuse for a world empire.  you shout about self-help and
> reverse-discrimination, but you wouldn't give a black man a dime on the
> streets if he swore that it was for a phone call.  (forty acres and a
> mule?)  you ramble on about conservative "values", and then close your
> mind when anything even remotely logical (such as racial unity) threatens
> your little white-bred havens.
> 
>    who the fuck do you think you're fooling?  you made your fucking bed
> (amerikkka) now lay in it.  recompense must be given; no justice, no
> peace.

My!  Such invective!  I assume you`re Black; sounds to me like you`re
reacting out of fear over the knowledge that the Black free-ride may be
over soon, or at least that it may be harder to whine for your benefits.

>    that wacky officer furhman--what a card.  good thing his sentiments are
> such isolated ones; i'd hate to think that maybe he was giving the honest
> opinion of every white (conservative) across this planet.

He probably IS reflecting EVERY SINGLE White person`s real opinion of
Blacks.  Burns you up, eh?
 
>    WHY THE FUCK ARE BLACKS ON THE BOTTOM OF THE FOOD CHAIN WORLDWIDE!?!
> 
>    perhaps whites are the superior species.  perhaps you guys are the wave
> of the future.  perhaps you do have the upper hand and rightly so.  i do
> not, personally believe this, but this does not nessacarily make it
> untrue.
> 
>    but at what cost...?
> 
>    you will soon be accosted by the demons of your own creation.  your
> children will become carjackers, gangbangers, and rapists (damn rap
> music), and your children's children will be even worse.

Wanna bet?
 
>    but fuck it--the wheels that you have set in motion cannot be stopped. 
> personally, i can't wait to see it all come crashing down...

Wanna bet?


Les

--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Sep 15 08:57:29 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Hate crimes...
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Joseph L Poulet (poulin@twain.oit.umass.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Pretty funny, libs like Astro Boy are saying that the Black-on-White
> : assault statistics are `stupid`, without addressing whether or not they`re
> : TRUE.  This is so pathetically typical of the liberal arguiing style.
> 
> 	No, I think they said YOU were stupid, Les.  They did address the
> truth, if you bothered to read their responses.
> 	There were several analyses of your statistics and their shortcomings
> in the previous posts.  Please go back and read them.

Oh, gimme a break.  First and foremost, idiot, they weren`t "my"
statistics; as I recall, MILTON posted them.  Then along came the liberal
imbecile-train with their squawks of "racist stupidity!"

I know it`s hard for you, but please try to stay in the same world that
real people do.

Les

--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Sep 15 08:57:30 PDT 1995
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Neil (neilends@GAS.UUG.Arizona.EDU) writes:
> On Mon, 11 Sep 1995, Les Griswold wrote:
> 
>> I contest your insinuation that because the Blacks you've "worked with"
>> are just as intelligent, capable and talented as any White person, that
>> ALL Blacks are similarly gifted.  Why, then, is Black Africa such a
>> hell-hole?  Haiti?
> 
> I don't see how you can claim whites are superior based on the 
> 'hell-hole' description of Africa and Haiti. The worst hell-hole of all 
> time was Europe during WWII and the Holocaust, when thousands of 
> brainwashed whites orchestrated the largest massacre of human beings in 
> recorded history.

Good one, Neil:  compare Europe in the middle of a war to Black-run
countries at any time.  Really makes a good, impartial comparison of what
the races are capable of.

Haiti required massive U.S. intervention just to hold elections.  Could
they EVER have done it on their own?

> On top of that, other whites living in the rest of 
> Europe were too stupid to realize what was going on, and by the time they 
> finally reacted, it was almost too late. Finally, the white guy who 
> started the whole thing shot himself in the head when he realized he was 
> doomed. Wow, I'm really impressed. White guys are really superior, huh?
> [muffled laugh]

Maybe "the other Whites" in the rest of Europe didn't realize what was
going on because there WAS nothing going on to notice.

Les


--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Sep 15 08:57:31 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: An apology...
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This appeared in the September 1995 issue of _Instauration_.  I thought it
was right to the point.  The context is Arthur Kemp, a White South
African, tired of hearing Black demands for "apologies":

	We apologize that we have given them doctors and free medical care
as a result of which they were able to survive plagues and catastrophes
and grow in number.
	We apologize that we have taught them to read and write, that we
have built them thousands of schools which we have repaired when they have
burnt them down.
	We apologize that we have built factories and given them work.
	We apologize that we have provided them with clothing instead of
leaving them in animal skins which they wore before (the Whites') arrival.
	We apologize that we have taken minerals out of the earth which
were always there, but the indigenous peopl knew nothing about them.
	We apologize for those among us who have established welfare
organizations to feed and clothe them, something they themselves never had.
	We apologize that we have built road networks across the entire
country, which they use.
	We apologize that we have paid the lion's share of taxes, while we
spent the lesser portion on ourselves.
	For all these sins, we humbly beg forgiveness and, if you accept
our apologies, we will gladly back all of the above evil things and return
to Europe.

Wow, pretty strong stuff!

Les

--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Sep 15 08:57:32 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: A little hostile, are we?
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aloysius (cmlewis@usc.edu) writes:

(snip)
 
>    secondly, forgive my previous post--yes, it was pathetic drivel;
> untempered and unfocused--but i felt it nessacary just to liven (lighten?)
> things up a bit before we get to the heart of the matter (if there is
> one).  of course there was a kernel of truth to said impositions, but we
> shall come to that later.

The only "heart of the matter" that needs to be addressed (well, it often
is, but Blacks and liberal ninnies don't want to admit it) is that Blacks
are far better off over here than they could have EVER been in Africa (and
that INCLUDES as slaves).
 
(snip)
 
>    now, if i may elucidate my previous post to make it a bit more digestible...
> 
>    the fact is: none of us have any idea of what we are doing in these
> wild and turbid times.

You may not.  Don't assume that your ennui, apathy, and
hyper-individualism is universal.

> you claim that your "race" (superior or no) will
> rise to the top, but you seem to be ignoring the warning signs that
> society is sending to you.  a society (any society) is only so strong as
> its weakest link--no matter what [nationality] that link may be.  the
> underbelly is nothing but a reflection of the overlord's failings; a king
> is only as powerful as his subjects allow him to be.  empires and tyrants
> cannot endure in a balanced society.

1)  It should be self-evident that the White race is superior to all
others.  The only "wekaness" we have is that we seem to think it necessary
to remind you dummies of the obvious.

2)  What warning signs?  More like expressions of
pissing-down-our-legs-in-fear denial from the liberals, who recognize both
a growing trend towards racial awareness, and their utter powerlessness to
do anything to stop it.
  
>    i, myself, am a chaos junkie: i rather enjoy madness and excess--it
> makes life a bit more exciting.

Amazing.  You say stuff like this, and then you get hopping mad when you
think that you're being grouped with typical Blacks.

> but what you propose may be overkill, my
> friend.  you seem to think that once the "superior race" (whichever that
> may truly be, because none of us can say with certainty what fate has in
> store) has, i guess, conquered or eliminated the other races, that
> everything will be fine and the world will be a much better place.

Cut the crap.  You know damn well that the "superior race" is the White
race.  Gawd, this self-censorship is just as annoying coming from you as
it is from Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski.

You sounded like a marginally interesting person.  AFter all, it's not
often that an INTELLIGENT Black comes around here:  usually, we have to
endure an insufferable number of liberal loons spouting reams and reams
of their fantasies just to get ONE half-way intelligent point.  Then you
had to come out with this garbage about your dream of A United World,
revealing yourself to be just another negrophile who likes to BEG for
something he cannot, and never could, TAKE.

(BIG snip)

>    because to me, hatred is ugly.  war is brutal.

To me, it's better by FAR than the alternative, which is to see the noble
White race smothered in an ever-rising tide of colour (my apologies to Mr.
Stoddard for the poetic use of one of his book titles.)

Les


--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Sep 15 08:57:32 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Reparations...
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What really makes me laugh is the Black demand for reparations, as if
they've had it so rough here.  Tell me honestly, could Blacks have
developed even one-one hundredth of what they get, gratis, here?  Name me
ONE Black-run country that is doing even marginally well.

Les

--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Sep 15 08:57:33 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: What happened, Chuckie?
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Where's your serialization of _The Turner Diaries_?  I was _SO_ looking
forward to it.

Les

--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: White men and Black women; opinions.
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Brendan J. F. Scallon (scallon@pyrotechnics.com) writes:

(snip)

> : I just hope someone decides someday that you are an animal and treats you 
> : accordingly. Then maybe you'll know what it is like to have one's 
> : humanity denied. By comparing interracial mating to zoophilia, you have 
> : put yourself out of the human species . I hope someone lets you know the 
> : comsequences.

The liberal dream:  "let`s do to Whitey what he`s done to the non-White
races!"

> Preach on, preach on, preach on.
> 
> Haven't any of you found Black women attractive?  Come on, Miss Universe
> is biracial and looks more Black than white and Miss USA from 2 years
> ago is THE BOMB!!!

To be honest, no.  Black females are attractive only in direct proportion
to the amount of White genes they have... and there`s more to being a
Negro than JUST dark skin.  A pale hybrid with everted lips, a wide flat
nose, kinky wool-like hair, yellowish sclerotic layer might pass for white
with brain-dead liberals, but no-one with an ounce of brains would call
such a creature white.
 
> I mean if I had a choice between an African American or an Anglo, I would
> choose the former of course; dark skin would be a less serious blemish
> than blond hair and blue eyes on the Irish heritage.  Africans did not
> enslave my people, ANGLOS did for 840 years.  Ideally I would try to find
> a fellow Irish-American wife, but if that does not happen, I will go for
> who comes to me, and most of the time it's those who are several times
> darker than myself.  So if you don't like my disbelief in this "white
> brotherhood" bullshit, as they say in the motherland "POG MO THOIN!!!"

It`s people like you who give the Irish a bad name.

> Goodbye.

And good riddance.

Les

--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Sep 15 14:15:09 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: A Simple Experiment
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Neil (neilends@GAS.UUG.Arizona.EDU) writes:
> On Mon, 11 Sep 1995, Les Griswold wrote:
> 
>> I contest your insinuation that because the Blacks you've "worked with"
>> are just as intelligent, capable and talented as any White person, that
>> ALL Blacks are similarly gifted.  Why, then, is Black Africa such a
>> hell-hole?  Haiti?
> 
> I don't see how you can claim whites are superior based on the 
> 'hell-hole' description of Africa and Haiti. The worst hell-hole of all 
> time was Europe during WWII and the Holocaust, when thousands of 
> brainwashed whites orchestrated the largest massacre of human beings in 
> recorded history.

Good one, Neil:  compare Europe in the middle of a war to Black-run
countries at any time.  Really makes a good, impartial comparison of what
the races are capable of.

Haiti required massive U.S. intervention just to hold elections.  Could
they EVER have done it on their own?

> On top of that, other whites living in the rest of 
> Europe were too stupid to realize what was going on, and by the time they 
> finally reacted, it was almost too late. Finally, the white guy who 
> started the whole thing shot himself in the head when he realized he was 
> doomed. Wow, I'm really impressed. White guys are really superior, huh?
> [muffled laugh]

Maybe "the other Whites" in the rest of Europe didn't realize what was
going on because there WAS nothing going on to notice.

Les


--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


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Neil (neilends@GAS.UUG.Arizona.EDU) writes:
> On Mon, 11 Sep 1995, Les Griswold wrote:
> 
>> I contest your insinuation that because the Blacks you've "worked with"
>> are just as intelligent, capable and talented as any White person, that
>> ALL Blacks are similarly gifted.  Why, then, is Black Africa such a
>> hell-hole?  Haiti?
> 
> I don't see how you can claim whites are superior based on the 
> 'hell-hole' description of Africa and Haiti. The worst hell-hole of all 
> time was Europe during WWII and the Holocaust, when thousands of 
> brainwashed whites orchestrated the largest massacre of human beings in 
> recorded history.

Good one, Neil:  compare Europe in the middle of a war to Black-run
countries at any time.  Really makes a good, impartial comparison of what
the races are capable of.

Haiti required massive U.S. intervention just to hold elections.  Could
they EVER have done it on their own?

> On top of that, other whites living in the rest of 
> Europe were too stupid to realize what was going on, and by the time they 
> finally reacted, it was almost too late. Finally, the white guy who 
> started the whole thing shot himself in the head when he realized he was 
> doomed. Wow, I'm really impressed. White guys are really superior, huh?
> [muffled laugh]

Maybe "the other Whites" in the rest of Europe didn't realize what was
going on because there WAS nothing going on to notice.

Les


--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Sep 15 22:43:10 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: Something I should point out to racists
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 (CODY@MAINE.MAINE.EDU) writes:
> Racist idiots have been claiming that white youths have been "corrupted" by
> blacks in this country. The approximatley 13% of the population that is
> black is using their great numbers to "influence" the white youths.
> 
> What they seem to have forgotten is that if the 13% black minority is
> "influencing" the whites, then wouldn't the huge 85% white majority be
> influencing the blacks?

The White majority HAS influenced the Blacks.  We've introduced
civilization to them.

> Let's just assume that idiotic racists are right,
> and blacks have an average IQ of 60 and are bent on world domination.

No, arsewipe, the average Black IQ is 85.  Get it right.

> If 13% of the population is black and 85% of the population is white, then
> the whites are influencing the blacks much more then the blacks are
> influencing the whites.

Not so.  It's always easier to go down than up.  To make it clear for you,
since you don't sound like you have the brain-power to grasp the concept,
the Black race is pulling the White race down, while our influences on
them have pulled them up.

> If, as racists claim, white people are good
> and kind and have IQ's of 185, and blacks are dull and evil and have IQ's
> if 60, and they were influencing each other based on their populations...
> Wouldn't it ultimatley even out as being between whites and blacks but
> much, much closer to the whites? So even after blacks finish doing whatever
> racists claim they are doing, the country will not have collapsed! And
> that's assuming that blacks are ignorant demons and whites are
> superintelligent angels! What if it was like in the real world, where whites
> and blacks are nearly equal? Nothing would change, would it?

"Real world"?!?  BWAHAHAHA!!!  Geez, you guys should stop making me laugh
my milk through my nose.

> So what are the racists worried about?

Tell me not to worry when I'm looking down on my sleeping three-year-old
son.

Les

--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Niggers are 7 1/2%
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The Sub-genius (laramary@er5.rutgers.edu) writes:
> dblntspy@midwest.net (Brad Camis) writes:
> 
>>Before the last census was revised the niggers came out at 7 1/2% of 
>>the population, Whites...85%.  You figure out the rest, if your willing 
>>to get off your knees and protect your children!
> 
> 	And what percentage of the 85% are backwards thinking hate
> mongering assholes like yourself?  Who do you think I'd feel a need
> to protect my children from first?

Aw, you don't really mean that, do you?  You'd actually consign your kids
to the tender mercies of a Black?  Under any circumstances?  Then you
deserve a whole hell of a lot of nice torture.  Ask Master Cho to
elucidate; I'm sure he'd be happy to oblige.

Les


--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Sep 15 22:45:41 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Seems the libs know a lot about torture...
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They sure seem to love fantasizing about going over "racists" with torture
implements... wonder how many of them I'd find over on alt.sex.fetish.S&M?

Les

--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


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Christopher Henrik Lund (christop@ifi.uio.no) writes:
> In article , cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry) writes:
> 
> 	[blah blah blah]
> 
>> thus you are wrong.  They completely ignore the fact that the other
>> 10,999,999 are black.  Thus if you stated that blacks cause most of the
>> crime, then they go to great length to find some that don't.  What I was
>> waiting for was to find some liberals quoting big brained negroes.  Maybe
>> they haven't looked at 11,000,000 black's brains.
>                          ^^^^^^^^^^
> 
> Maybe it's time one of you non-"liberals" gave us some sources for your
> scientific "facts". For instance, who looked at those 11 million "black"
> brains?

Sure.  How about real life; we've looked at a hell of a lot more than
11,000,000 Black brains, and we've yet to see ONE that we couldn't have
done without (Dr. Charles Drew notwithstanding.  After all, Henny, how
much would he have accomplished if his ancestors HADN'T [supposedly] been
dragged over here in chains?)

> You rednecks enjoy tossing numbers and figures about, but I have yet to see
> the names of your some sources.

Try the real world.

Les


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He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Sep 16 09:19:25 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: The million-man march may actually have some positive aspects...
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It may actually show how little Blacks contribute to the economy (I know,
it's scheduled for the U.S., but you can bet your bottom dollar that there
will be "sympathy" demonstrations up here...)  I think that Mr. Farrakoon
didn't think about this when he called for it, but he may be reconsidering...

Les

--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


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Subject: The million-man march may actually have some positive aspects...
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It may actually show how little Blacks contribute to the economy (I know,
it's scheduled for the U.S., but you can bet your bottom dollar that there
will be "sympathy" demonstrations up here...)  I think that Mr. Farrakoon
didn't think about this when he called for it, but he may be reconsidering...

Les

--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


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aloysius (cmlewis@usc.edu) writes:
>>    fuck it, i gotta go to class.  i don't like class, but i go.  i don't
>> > like college, but i go.  otherwise i'd probably have to rap or play
>> > basketball to make an honest buck here in the states, because i don't have
>> > friends or family "in the business".  sickening....
>> 
>> What business is that?  If anything is sickening, it's your "gimme, gimme,
>> gimme" attitude.  Even if your distant ancestors were slaves, it doesn't
>> entitle you to anything. 
>> 
>> You remind me of an Eagles song:
>>         "GET OVER IT!"
>> 
>> --
>> Sylvie Charbonneau
> 
> 
>    ah, the gauntlet is cast, and i have drawn the worms from the woodworks.
> 
>    first of all, dearest sylvie, i must admit that you have made a few
> valid points.  you are quite right: i have no right to have a "gimme,
> gimme, gimme" attitude.  which is why i don't.  i am quite grateful to our
> government for opening the doors of education to those of color, and, as
> well,  for financing quite a bit of my education through grants and
> governmentally backed loans.  my mother served in the air-force for 16
> years (most of my young life), and i lived on free lunch for most of my
> adolescent life.  i offer  my sincerest regards to the government in this
> respect: the doors are now fully opened (well, somewhat) and no one has
> any excuse not to achieve these days.
> 
>    what bothers me is your seeming need to stereotype me (as in
> individual) with all the other "blacks" that you seem to have a problem
> with.  i have never committed any crime, i have never "blamed the system"
> for my problems; i even attend college with no support from anyone in my
> family.  i am doing, i assume, exactly what you say that you would like to
> see more black males doing.
> 
>    and yet, did i see any words of encouragement?  no.  any helpful
> advice?  no.  ("go back to africa" excluded--cause let's face it, that
> option is long gone thanks to the destruction of my roots).  any positive
> reinforcement of a positive situation?

Just a question, Black-dude:  how were your "roots" (snicker) destroyed,
and why are their destruction an impediment to your return to Africa?

(snip - wads of braggadacio about how he'll "get us" deleted)

Les


--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Sep 16 09:26:06 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: A little hostile, are we?
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Master Cho (achau@usc.edu) writes:
>> You sounded like a marginally interesting person.  AFter all, it's not
>> often that an INTELLIGENT Black comes around here:  usually, we have to
>> endure an insufferable number of liberal loons spouting reams and reams
>> of their fantasies just to get ONE half-way intelligent point.  Then you
>> had to come out with this garbage about your dream of A United World,
>> revealing yourself to be just another negrophile who likes to BEG for
>> something he cannot, and never could, TAKE.
> 
>    I am in the process of "taking" what I want as we speak.  I am taking
> your KNOWLEDGE and adding it to mine.

Something (our knowledge) plus nothing (your race's knowledge) equals
something...

> Perhaps what I value is different
> from what you value...perhaps I believe that the solution to a problem
> does not lie in destroying it, but in deconstructing it, and finding out
> exactly what makes it tick.

And I believe that in a fight for survival, the solution lies in total,
uncompromising victory.
 
>    If it is a simply a matter of survival (which I sincerely doubt) then I
> will deal with it on that basis.  Have no doubt that I would torture you
> most heinously if ever it were forced to come to that.  I would, of
> course, expect you to do the same to me.  This is the way of the true
> warrior.

No.  Torturing helpless opponents is the way of non-White wannabe
warriors.  I don't think you'll find a whole hell of a lot of White men
who'd be happy to torture non-Whites...

> But, as Sun Tzu says, perhaps the greatest [Chinese] scholar on
> the matter, says "the true objective of war...is peace".

Cripes, not another Black Chinaman.  We have enough with Joseph
Funny-Bunny Mak.
 
>    What have I begged you for, Mr. Griswold?  My dreams are mine alone;
> you have no right to lay claim to my beliefs (nor insult them), unless you
> choose to agree with them.  I am an artist; this is my nature.  You are a
> supremacist; that is your nature.  Perhaps never the twain shall meet.  Oh
> well.

And how much of an "artist" would you have been if your ancestors hadn't
been rescued from the stewpots of OTHER Black tribesmen, brought over here
and civilized?  You'd be a work of art, all right, in the sense of "Black
is beautiful, so I just shit a masterpiece."

Les


--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Sep 17 10:50:31 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: A Simple Experiment
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Andy Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:

(snip)

>   :Maybe "the other Whites" in the rest of Europe didn't realize what was
>   :going on because there WAS nothing going on to notice.
> 
> I think the Poles, Belgians, Norwegians, French, et. al. came to notice
> that something was up eventually.

Oh, jeepers, Raggedy, I should have realized that you would jump up here.

One's perception will become surprisingly sharp and acute after an
industrial super-power uses one's homeland for a theatre of war for
three-and-a-half years.  (translation:  many of the Europeans were willing
to believe ANYTHING the Americans told them after WWII, believing as they
did that might makes right).

Les

 
--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Sep 17 12:04:50 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: A Simple Experiment
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Andy Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:

(snip)

>   :Maybe "the other Whites" in the rest of Europe didn't realize what was
>   :going on because there WAS nothing going on to notice.
> 
> I think the Poles, Belgians, Norwegians, French, et. al. came to notice
> that something was up eventually.

Oh, jeepers, Raggedy, I should have realized that you would jump up here.

One's perception will become surprisingly sharp and acute after an
industrial super-power uses one's homeland for a theatre of war for
three-and-a-half years.  (translation:  many of the Europeans were willing
to believe ANYTHING the Americans told them after WWII, believing as they
did that might makes right).

Les

 
--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Sep 17 12:35:36 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: A Simple Experiment
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Andy Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:

(snip)

>   :Maybe "the other Whites" in the rest of Europe didn't realize what was
>   :going on because there WAS nothing going on to notice.
> 
> I think the Poles, Belgians, Norwegians, French, et. al. came to notice
> that something was up eventually.

Oh, jeepers, Raggedy, I should have realized that you would jump up here.

One's perception will become surprisingly sharp and acute after an
industrial super-power uses one's homeland for a theatre of war for
three-and-a-half years.  (translation:  many of the Europeans were willing
to believe ANYTHING the Americans told them after WWII, believing as they
did that might makes right).

Les

 
--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Sep 17 12:37:00 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: A Simple Experiment
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Andy Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:

(snip)

>   :Maybe "the other Whites" in the rest of Europe didn't realize what was
>   :going on because there WAS nothing going on to notice.
> 
> I think the Poles, Belgians, Norwegians, French, et. al. came to notice
> that something was up eventually.

Oh, jeepers, Raggedy, I should have realized that you would jump up here.

One's perception will become surprisingly sharp and acute after an
industrial super-power uses one's homeland for a theatre of war for
three-and-a-half years.  (translation:  many of the Europeans were willing
to believe ANYTHING the Americans told them after WWII, believing as they
did that might makes right).

Les

 
--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Sep 17 12:37:01 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: I noticed something...
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... the ole Beavster has been pretty quiet since having his foot fetish
exposed.  Wonder why that is?

Les


--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Sep 17 12:37:01 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Something I should point out to racists
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aloysius (cmlewis@usc.edu) writes:

Moi:
>> Not so.  It's always easier to go down than up.  To make it clear for you,
>> since you don't sound like you have the brain-power to grasp the concept,
>> the Black race is pulling the White race down, while our influences on
>> them have pulled them up.
> 
>    this is getting almost too easy.
> 
>    firsty: mr. griswold, i would like to hear exactly how you define
> "civilization".

Simple:  civilization is a group of people working together to realize
some clearly defined goals.  It is NOT lazing around in the African sun
while each Black "does his own thing".

>    second:  mr. griswold, i would like to hear exaclty how IQ is calculated.

I'm not quite sure, and never claimed to know.  Whyncha ask someone who
prefers to split hairs while evading the obvious?
 
>    third:  mr. griswold, i would like for you to explain how the "black"
> race has "pulled" the "white" race down...

Oh, introduction of all sorts of crime that the White race would never
have come up with on its own, for starters.  Diversion of MASSIVE amounts
of taxpayer money to "get-evenism" programs.

> ( slavery?  economic
> disenfranchisement?  racism?  systemized impoverization?  cultural
> subjugation?  just a few suggestions for you to work with, made up purely
> from theory, as no "civilized" race would actually do these things to
> other races, of course.)

Ungrateful swine.  Read the following.

>    ...and, as well, exactly how you have "pulled" the "black" race up. 
> (Personal anecdotes would be greatly appreciated.)

Teaching them literacy, giving them medicine above the witch-doctor level,
teaching them a better-than-Stone-Age technology, etc, etc.  I'm sure
other people can think of many, many benefits that the Black race has
gained from living amongst Whites.

>    Thank you for your time.  I look forward to your response. 

Somehow, I doubt it.  You'd rather wallow in your "look what Whitey done
to us!" 

Les


--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Sep 17 12:37:02 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: Something I should point out to racists
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Garter Snake (---) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:

(snip)

> Les, for the sake of argument, lets assume you are right. The blacks are
> pulling the whites down. You have a cup of cold water, and a cup of hot
> water. Mix the two together and what do you get? Warm water. So lets say
> that by mixing, blacks and whites will create a race with average IQ of
> (85+100)/2 = 92.5.

You may want to breed down, but don't assume that everyone shares your joy
at the prospect of dumbing-down our descendants.

> How far in the past would we have to go before the
> average "white" person had that IQ?

Probably pretty far.

> Where serfs in feudal Europe of that
> IQ or higher or lower Les? Again, for the sake of argument, lets say it
> was 5,000 years ago. Your ancestors seemed to do just fine in moving up
> the ladder Les.

That doesn't mean I look forward to going back down your hypothetical
ladder just to please your One-Worlder philosophy.

> Now let others do so.

I'm perfectly happy to do so - provided that their advancement doesn't
hinder OUR advancement.

> Time will go by regardless of our
> actions. The planet has more than enough time to let anything evolve into
> radically different types. So give others the benefit of the doubt.
> Besides Les, Europeans had to go through many bloody centuries as
> civilizations strived against one another and perfected their
> technologies. Now blacks and others have access to modern civilization and
> they can adapt to modern stresses but without the bloody wars and
> destruction.

(snicker)  I can't BELIEVE that you're saying that!  Try looking at
sub-Saharan Africa, which is wracked by one "civil" war after another,
when they aren't dealing with famines and/or droughts.

Les



--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


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Stewart King (slking@scws31.harvard.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> 
> : Sure.  How about real life; we've looked at a hell of a lot more than
> : 11,000,000 Black brains, and we've yet to see ONE that we couldn't have
> : done without (Dr. Charles Drew notwithstanding.  After all, Henny, how
> : much would he have accomplished if his ancestors HADN'T [supposedly] been
> : dragged over here in chains?)
> 
> Les, do you ever consider the possibility that economics or climate or 
> any number of other factors, rather than inherited characteristics, could 
> have a lot to do with how well people do?

I sure have, and still do.  But have YOU ever considered the possibility
that SOME of the Black's sub-standard performance MAY have SOMETHING to do
with their genes?  Typically, liberal spokesthings would rather bite their
own tongues out than even CONSIDER that possibility.
 
> I guess you're figuring that since whites built the civilization with the 
> best economics, that means they win anyhow.  But hey - it was their 
> aggressiveness ("ambition" or "get-up-and-go" if you prefer a less PC 
> term - I'm not saying Europe was all bad, far from it) more than anything 
> else; once Europeans got some guns ("thanks for the gunpowder, li'l 
> Chinese dudes")

*sigh*  and what did the Chinese do with gunpowder?  Made fireworks.

> and boats, they colonized just about everybody.

Other peoples, with the notable exception of Blacks, had boats.  So, why
aren't we speaking Chinese or Japanese, or some other non-White language? 
We're supposed to be ASHAMED that our ancestors didn't share the
belly-button-contemplating complacency of non-Whites?

Les


--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


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Andy Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:

(snip)

>   :Maybe "the other Whites" in the rest of Europe didn't realize what was
>   :going on because there WAS nothing going on to notice.
> 
> I think the Poles, Belgians, Norwegians, French, et. al. came to notice
> that something was up eventually.

Oh, jeepers, Raggedy, I should have realized that you would jump up here.

One's perception will become surprisingly sharp and acute after an
industrial super-power uses one's homeland for a theatre of war for
three-and-a-half years.  (translation:  many of the Europeans were willing
to believe ANYTHING the Americans told them after WWII, believing as they
did that might makes right).

Les

 
--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: I noticed something...
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... the ole Beavster has been pretty quiet since having his foot fetish
exposed.  Wonder why that is?

Les


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He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Something I should point out to racists
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aloysius (cmlewis@usc.edu) writes:

Moi:
>> Not so.  It's always easier to go down than up.  To make it clear for you,
>> since you don't sound like you have the brain-power to grasp the concept,
>> the Black race is pulling the White race down, while our influences on
>> them have pulled them up.
> 
>    this is getting almost too easy.
> 
>    firsty: mr. griswold, i would like to hear exactly how you define
> "civilization".

Simple:  civilization is a group of people working together to realize
some clearly defined goals.  It is NOT lazing around in the African sun
while each Black "does his own thing".

>    second:  mr. griswold, i would like to hear exaclty how IQ is calculated.

I'm not quite sure, and never claimed to know.  Whyncha ask someone who
prefers to split hairs while evading the obvious?
 
>    third:  mr. griswold, i would like for you to explain how the "black"
> race has "pulled" the "white" race down...

Oh, introduction of all sorts of crime that the White race would never
have come up with on its own, for starters.  Diversion of MASSIVE amounts
of taxpayer money to "get-evenism" programs.

> ( slavery?  economic
> disenfranchisement?  racism?  systemized impoverization?  cultural
> subjugation?  just a few suggestions for you to work with, made up purely
> from theory, as no "civilized" race would actually do these things to
> other races, of course.)

Ungrateful swine.  Read the following.

>    ...and, as well, exactly how you have "pulled" the "black" race up. 
> (Personal anecdotes would be greatly appreciated.)

Teaching them literacy, giving them medicine above the witch-doctor level,
teaching them a better-than-Stone-Age technology, etc, etc.  I'm sure
other people can think of many, many benefits that the Black race has
gained from living amongst Whites.

>    Thank you for your time.  I look forward to your response. 

Somehow, I doubt it.  You'd rather wallow in your "look what Whitey done
to us!" 

Les


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He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Something I should point out to racists
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Garter Snake (---) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:

(snip)

> Les, for the sake of argument, lets assume you are right. The blacks are
> pulling the whites down. You have a cup of cold water, and a cup of hot
> water. Mix the two together and what do you get? Warm water. So lets say
> that by mixing, blacks and whites will create a race with average IQ of
> (85+100)/2 = 92.5.

You may want to breed down, but don't assume that everyone shares your joy
at the prospect of dumbing-down our descendants.

> How far in the past would we have to go before the
> average "white" person had that IQ?

Probably pretty far.

> Where serfs in feudal Europe of that
> IQ or higher or lower Les? Again, for the sake of argument, lets say it
> was 5,000 years ago. Your ancestors seemed to do just fine in moving up
> the ladder Les.

That doesn't mean I look forward to going back down your hypothetical
ladder just to please your One-Worlder philosophy.

> Now let others do so.

I'm perfectly happy to do so - provided that their advancement doesn't
hinder OUR advancement.

> Time will go by regardless of our
> actions. The planet has more than enough time to let anything evolve into
> radically different types. So give others the benefit of the doubt.
> Besides Les, Europeans had to go through many bloody centuries as
> civilizations strived against one another and perfected their
> technologies. Now blacks and others have access to modern civilization and
> they can adapt to modern stresses but without the bloody wars and
> destruction.

(snicker)  I can't BELIEVE that you're saying that!  Try looking at
sub-Saharan Africa, which is wracked by one "civil" war after another,
when they aren't dealing with famines and/or droughts.

Les



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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Jeannie plays footsie with Master Cho! (was: N*GG*R)
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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:
> In article , achau@usc.edu
> (Master Cho) wrote:
> 
> [snip]
> 
>>    i am told to get over it.  and then i am told to go back to africa. 
>> and then i am told that i should go back into my community and teach.  and
>> then i am told that i shouldn't be over here in the first place.  and then
>> i am told that i must still want to be a slave.  wow.  i wonder which one
>> i shall choose...
> 
> Ah, but they don't want you to have the power or the intelligence to make
> a choice. More disturbing is your defiance of a "one label fits all"
> stereotypical young Black man. They'll either try to run you off or insult
> you until you somehow fit into one of their simplistic mental images.

Crazy Jeannie, it's just chilling how you know, even before we do, exactly
what our motivations and plans are.  Scary stuff.

(snip)

Les


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He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
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Subject: Re: An apology...
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 (salty@gate.net) writes:
>>   bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
>>  This appeared in the September 1995 issue of _Instauration_.  I thought it
>>  was right to the point.  The context is Arthur Kemp, a White South
>>  African, tired of hearing Black demands for "apologies":
>   
>>  	We apologize
> 
> Instead of apologizing, we should charge the successful minorities for the years of welfare they
> were given.  For example - a minority is given free education and becomes a high income
> doctor.  He should be required to reimburse the taxpayers for the tuition and all welfare
> received with interest.  This would serve to lower the cost of supporting the remaining
> unsuccessful minorities and also serve as a disincentive to live on welfare in the first place.
> 
> Your post was well worthy of printing and distribution, a truly scholarly masterpiece!

I can't take the credit for it - it originally comes from the pen of Mr.
Arthur Kemp, a White South African, who has presumably had enough Black
belly-aching about "repression".

Les


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Racial Theorist (xyz@scsn.net) writes:
> folks:
> 
> 	let's vote on our favorite jew.  i thought i was all set to vote on 
> joel because the rosenburger can tell how old somebody is by how they type, 
> but then i read this flame of one of my posts written by freeburger and i 
> think i'm gonna have to vote for freeburger because i like reading about his 
> paranoid delusions, and i'm hoping he won't start back on his psychiatric 
> medications anytime soon because i believe the medicine will take the edge off 
> his posts.
> 	i'm voting for freeburger.

That's like voting on whether you'd rather drink buzzard-puke, or
vulture-puke.

Les


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brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: A little hostile, are we?
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aloysius (cmlewis@usc.edu) writes:
>> >    What have I begged you for, Mr. Griswold?  My dreams are mine alone;
>> > you have no right to lay claim to my beliefs (nor insult them), unless you
>> > choose to agree with them.  I am an artist; this is my nature.  You are a
>> > supremacist; that is your nature.  Perhaps never the twain shall meet.  Oh
>> > well.
>> 
>> And how much of an "artist" would you have been if your ancestors hadn't
>> been rescued from the stewpots of OTHER Black tribesmen, brought over here
>> and civilized?  You'd be a work of art, all right, in the sense of "Black
>> is beautiful, so I just shit a masterpiece."
> 
>    once again, mr. griswold, your IQ is showing.
> 
>    african art is some of the most beautiful in the world: sculpure,
> singing, dance, and many other forms of art that i have not yet had the
> pleasure of exploring.

*GAAAG*

> i suppose that you did not know that the ancient
> greeks (upon whom quite a bit of western european culture is based)
> actually derived many of their techniques from ancient ethiopeans  (whom
> they described as a, and i quote, "godlike people").  this is a FACT that
> i read in a history textbook last semester, unfortunately i have not the
> exact data on hand at this time.  discard it as biased opinion if you
> must.

I shall.  "Books" written by the likes of "Doctor" Leonard Jeffries are
not credible sources...
  
>    just because europeans took paper from the asians and began painting
> material representaions of spiritual matters does not make them the more
> highly advanced culture.  quite the contrary; since all art is, in
> essence, derivatory, this would mean that, once again, nearly all european
> art can trace its ancestry back to eastern european roots.
> 
>    chuck berry (rock): elvis presley, buddy holly.
>    miles davis (jazz): kenny g.
>    al green (rhythm and blues):  michael bolton.
>    cab calloway  (big band):  gene autry.
>    bb king (blues):  eric clapton, led zeppelin.
>    george clinton (funk): red hot chili peppers, mighty mighty bosstones.
>    jimi hendrix ("acid" rock): see MTV.
>    kurtis blow (rap):  house of pain.
>    bob marley (reggae):  snow, ace of base.
> 
>    and this is from my (very limited, thanks to american history
> textbooks) knowledge of prominent african american artists.  prince,
> michael jackson (yes, he is still "black", no matter what he does to his
> body), tlc, snoop...

What the hell is this supposed to prove?  Maybe I'll get Rick to repost
his list of White inventions.
 
>    face it, mr. griswold: black "art" is at least just as valid today as
> it was back in the dark continent (africa, that is).  the only thing that
> has changed is the locale.  and the odds against its success with the
> (very fearful) public eye.  why else the need to ban rap music?

Because it's violence-promoting, degenerate filth.

> nothing
> but a message and a beat--but then, why is mr. dole (and nearly every
> other good conservative) so fearful of its spread.

See above.
 
>    because it will force its audience (the youth of america) to think. 
> rap will not sugarcoat its substance, nor will it "tone down" its madness
> just to suit the whims of "white" america.  the first truly uncensored
> black forum of national dialogue.

Marketed by jews.

>    and, by the way, the next time that you choose to throw personal
> insults into your diatribe, i will do the greatest dishonor that one man
> can do to another...
> 
>    i will ignore you.

Is that a promise?

Les


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Stewart King (slking@scws31.harvard.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> 
> : Sure.  How about real life; we've looked at a hell of a lot more than
> : 11,000,000 Black brains, and we've yet to see ONE that we couldn't have
> : done without (Dr. Charles Drew notwithstanding.  After all, Henny, how
> : much would he have accomplished if his ancestors HADN'T [supposedly] been
> : dragged over here in chains?)
> 
> Les, do you ever consider the possibility that economics or climate or 
> any number of other factors, rather than inherited characteristics, could 
> have a lot to do with how well people do?

I sure have, and still do.  But have YOU ever considered the possibility
that SOME of the Black's sub-standard performance MAY have SOMETHING to do
with their genes?  Typically, liberal spokesthings would rather bite their
own tongues out than even CONSIDER that possibility.
 
> I guess you're figuring that since whites built the civilization with the 
> best economics, that means they win anyhow.  But hey - it was their 
> aggressiveness ("ambition" or "get-up-and-go" if you prefer a less PC 
> term - I'm not saying Europe was all bad, far from it) more than anything 
> else; once Europeans got some guns ("thanks for the gunpowder, li'l 
> Chinese dudes")

*sigh*  and what did the Chinese do with gunpowder?  Made fireworks.

> and boats, they colonized just about everybody.

Other peoples, with the notable exception of Blacks, had boats.  So, why
aren't we speaking Chinese or Japanese, or some other non-White language? 
We're supposed to be ASHAMED that our ancestors didn't share the
belly-button-contemplating complacency of non-Whites?

Les


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brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
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aloysius (cmlewis@usc.edu) writes:
>>  
>> >    If it is a simply a matter of survival (which I sincerely doubt) then I
>> > will deal with it on that basis.  Have no doubt that I would torture you
>> > most heinously if ever it were forced to come to that.  I would, of
>> > course, expect you to do the same to me.  This is the way of the true
>> > warrior.
>> 
>> No.  Torturing helpless opponents is the way of non-White wannabe
>> warriors.  I don't think you'll find a whole hell of a lot of White men
>> who'd be happy to torture non-Whites...

(snip - Aloysis trying to show that torture and abuse are part-and-parcel
of White civilization)
 
>    ...and regarding torure; who said that you are "helpless"?  are you
> "helpless", now?  why would this change in a war situation?

You'd have a hell of a time trying to torture me (or any other White man)
who WASN'T helpless...

> oh, the things that i could do--did you believe, in your vainly protected 
> youth, that "scalping" was bad?  we "blacks" are very, very  creative...

I'll bet.  I read a little about the Yam Festival, wherein a helpless
Black from another neighbouring tribe is tortured, then sacrificied to
some god or other.

>    death is a sweet thing, and you only get to savor it's dark beauty once
> in a lifetime.  if you do not wish to die by the sword, then do not live
> by the sword, friend.

My "living by the sword" has absolutely no bearing on whether or not I get
mowed down on the street by a drive-by (the chances are increasing daily. 
And no, Raggedy, I'm not likely to get shot by a car full of Sicilians,
either.)

> i will whatever is nessacary to eliminate the
> threat to what i percieve to be the common good.  i have no other choice,
> do i--this is the way of the world.  instead, i seek to transcend such
> foolishness and solve my problems through intelligent dialogue.
> 
>    many of your friends here believe this to be inane.
> 
>    (you, and those like you would force a housecat to become a lion...)

You're really weird.  Maybe you and Steve Garza should get together and
exchange apple-seed ice-cream recipes.

Les


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aloysius (cmlewis@usc.edu) writes:
> In article ,
> jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu (Jeanne Kowalewski) wrote:
> 
>> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
>> (Les Griswold) wrote:
>> 
>> > What really makes me laugh is the Black demand for reparations, as if
>> > they've had it so rough here.  Tell me honestly, could Blacks have
>> > developed even one-one hundredth of what they get, gratis, here?  Name me
>> > ONE Black-run country that is doing even marginally well.
> 
>    south africa was doing quite well  (a beautiful, unsullied land with a
> highly evolved ecosystem)  ...until it was discovered that there were
> diamonds and other beautiful rocks there.  then a few whites decided that
> it would be yet another fitting country to plunder of resources, and
> decided to subjugate the natives to a less than human status.

South Africa was being left to ROT until Whites discovered that there was
something there.

Les


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He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: A little hostile, are we?
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aloysius (cmlewis@usc.edu) writes:
>> Yet blacks are the first to decry White power music.  But it's OK for them
>> to rap about sodomizing 12 year old White girls, shooting police officers,
>> rape, drugs, drive-bys, etc...
> 
>    [i have yet to hear one line about sodomizing 12-year old white
> girls...

Then open your fuicking ears.  Iced Tea had an album back in '91 that
Gerald Levin defended as a valid expression of the Black experience.  It
was the one with the infamous "Cop Killer" on it, and it had a song about
12-year-old KKK girls, and Tipper Gore's neice, entitled "KKK bitches". 
Guess what he advocated doing with them?

> or even rape for that matter.  stop throwing your personal fears
> into this and regarding them as facts.  regarding the other matters
> (police officers, drugs, drive-bys)  ; those are facts of life for some of
> them; what else should they be writing?]

You're really twisted, you know that?  Are you suggesting that Iced Tea
should be making money off of talking about wasting cops, or raping
12-year-old girls?  Who CARES if they're "facts of life" for them: 
glorifying illegal and immoral acts in ANY WAY is sick.

Les



--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Sep 18 06:36:25 PDT 1995
Article: 7963 of alt.revisionism
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: A Simple Experiment
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Andy Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>   :One's perception will become surprisingly sharp and acute after an
>   :industrial super-power uses one's homeland for a theatre of war for
>   :three-and-a-half years.  (translation:  many of the Europeans were willing
>   :to believe ANYTHING the Americans told them after WWII, believing as they
>   :did that might makes right).
> 
> Let me clarify.

Liberals have to ask for clarification a lot, because they make such
stupid-ass assumptions all the time.

> Are you saying that the Germans did not, in fact, launch
> an unprovoked invasion of Poland, Belgium, the Netherlands, et. al., and
> that the Americans convinced them to say that the Germans had AFTER the
> war?

No, arsehole, I was talking about the hollow-cause.
 
Les


--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Sep 18 06:36:26 PDT 1995
Article: 7964 of alt.revisionism
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: A Simple Experiment
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~Bayajida (bayajida@tunkamanin.win-uk.net) writes:
> ~: now on 11 Sep 1995 16:14:07 GMT s565933@aix2.uottawa.ca
> (Craig A. Schiller) expressed...
> :Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> :: Craig A. Schiller (s565933@aix2.uottawa.ca) writes:
> :: > The BEST states where quality education is available, and the POOREST 
> :: > states where it isn't. 
> 
> :: And was education of ANY SORT available anywhere in Africa, except where
> :: it was IMPOSED by Whites? 
> 
> there were 180 schools operating in the mandingo towns of
> niani, jenne and timbucktu, koranic schools in kano & sokoto
> amongst others

Koranic schools.  I think that says it all.

Les



--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Sep 18 06:36:27 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: A Simple Experiment
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~Bayajida (bayajida@tunkamanin.win-uk.net) writes:
> ~: now on Fri, 15 Sep 1995 09:19:25 GMT
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) expressed...

(snip)
 
> :Haiti required massive U.S. intervention just to hold elections.  Could
> :they EVER have done it on their own?
> 
> Your arguments are highly selective, and display a real lack
> of knowledge of contemporary history. Many countries have 
> suffered because of incompetent rulers or plain greedy 
> dictatorships; in both white countries and black countries. 
> Haiti is a country in a state of political change; it is not
> a good choice for you to base your racial arguments on given
> that its last military dictator was white.

No, he was a mulatto.  There has ALWAYS been a colour-line in Haiti, as
there is in ANY country with a large number of Blacks in the population.

> In the Caribbean there countries that have been democratic 
> for many decades, and which have high and improving living 
> standards.

So name one.

> The countries in black Africa that have become 
> democratic have done so without the aid of the united states
> or any other white ruled country.

Again, name one.

> The instability in many post-colonial nations is a result of
> the misrule of their former rulers, both colonial and home 
> grown. The ruinous debt burden these countries currently 
> struggle to overcome is a consequence of this misrule. It is
> not a matter of racial inability, it is the consequence of 
> bad inheritance.

Oh, sure, sure, just another "blame de White man for our own failings."

Les


--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Sep 18 07:26:57 PDT 1995
Article: 2183 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Hallelujah!  (Was:  Re:  Black brains...)
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~Bayajida (bayajida@tunkamanin.win-uk.net) writes:
> ~: now on Sun, 17 Sep 1995 12:21:12 GMT
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) expressed...
> 
> : ...have YOU ever considered the possibility
> :that SOME of the Black's sub-standard performance MAY have SOMETHING to do
> :with their genes?  Typically, liberal spokesthings would rather bite their
> :own tongues out than even CONSIDER that possibility.
> 
> Well so far the evidence given can very easily shown to be 
> flawed. On genetics no one has demonstrated which genes 
> blacks lack. On the issue of crime statistics are always 
> drawn from the united states, were incidentally black crime 
> is on the decline.

ALL crime in the U.S. is on the decline, racially speaking.  Just because
the Blacks are (finally) following suite in this regard doesn't prove a
blessed thing.

> Incidents of Illicit drug use is higher amongst whites than blacks.

How about drug TRAFFICKING?

> On economics the performance and presence of blacks in corporate America 
> continues to increase. On education the performance and presence of 
> blacks attending universities continues to increase. Which contradicts your 
> assertions of black racial inferiority.

How?  One of the cornerstones of "my" assertions about Black inferiority
is that they couldn't make all these advancements if it wasn't for the
Majority helping them out.

Les



--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Sep 18 07:26:58 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: A Simple Experiment
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Andy Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>   :One's perception will become surprisingly sharp and acute after an
>   :industrial super-power uses one's homeland for a theatre of war for
>   :three-and-a-half years.  (translation:  many of the Europeans were willing
>   :to believe ANYTHING the Americans told them after WWII, believing as they
>   :did that might makes right).
> 
> Let me clarify.

Liberals have to ask for clarification a lot, because they make such
stupid-ass assumptions all the time.

> Are you saying that the Germans did not, in fact, launch
> an unprovoked invasion of Poland, Belgium, the Netherlands, et. al., and
> that the Americans convinced them to say that the Germans had AFTER the
> war?

No, arsehole, I was talking about the hollow-cause.
 
Les


--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Sep 18 07:26:59 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: A Simple Experiment
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~Bayajida (bayajida@tunkamanin.win-uk.net) writes:
> ~: now on 11 Sep 1995 16:14:07 GMT s565933@aix2.uottawa.ca
> (Craig A. Schiller) expressed...
> :Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> :: Craig A. Schiller (s565933@aix2.uottawa.ca) writes:
> :: > The BEST states where quality education is available, and the POOREST 
> :: > states where it isn't. 
> 
> :: And was education of ANY SORT available anywhere in Africa, except where
> :: it was IMPOSED by Whites? 
> 
> there were 180 schools operating in the mandingo towns of
> niani, jenne and timbucktu, koranic schools in kano & sokoto
> amongst others

Koranic schools.  I think that says it all.

Les



--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Sep 18 07:27:00 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: A Simple Experiment
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~Bayajida (bayajida@tunkamanin.win-uk.net) writes:
> ~: now on Fri, 15 Sep 1995 09:19:25 GMT
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) expressed...

(snip)
 
> :Haiti required massive U.S. intervention just to hold elections.  Could
> :they EVER have done it on their own?
> 
> Your arguments are highly selective, and display a real lack
> of knowledge of contemporary history. Many countries have 
> suffered because of incompetent rulers or plain greedy 
> dictatorships; in both white countries and black countries. 
> Haiti is a country in a state of political change; it is not
> a good choice for you to base your racial arguments on given
> that its last military dictator was white.

No, he was a mulatto.  There has ALWAYS been a colour-line in Haiti, as
there is in ANY country with a large number of Blacks in the population.

> In the Caribbean there countries that have been democratic 
> for many decades, and which have high and improving living 
> standards.

So name one.

> The countries in black Africa that have become 
> democratic have done so without the aid of the united states
> or any other white ruled country.

Again, name one.

> The instability in many post-colonial nations is a result of
> the misrule of their former rulers, both colonial and home 
> grown. The ruinous debt burden these countries currently 
> struggle to overcome is a consequence of this misrule. It is
> not a matter of racial inability, it is the consequence of 
> bad inheritance.

Oh, sure, sure, just another "blame de White man for our own failings."

Les


--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Sep 18 07:34:55 PDT 1995
Article: 2898 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: An apology...
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Richard Marquez (gmarquez@netcom.com) writes:
> salty@gate.net wrote:
> : Instead of apologizing, we should charge the successful minorities
> : for the years of welfare they were given.
> 
> Hmmm, I would consider myself a successful minority, but I don't remember 
> getting any welfare.
> 
> : For example - a minority is given free education and becomes a high income
> : doctor.  He should be required to reimburse the taxpayers for the tuition
> : and all welfare received with interest.
> 
> Why limit this to minorities?  How about ALL people in this situation?
> 
> : This would serve to lower the cost of supporting the remaining
> : unsuccessful minorities and also serve as a disincentive to
> : live on welfare in the first place.
> 
> Again, why limit this to minorities?

You weren't paying attention, arsewipe:  he said it would serve as a
DISINCENTIVE to live on welfare in the first place.  It would also serve
as a disincentive to professional welfare monarchs in the first place.

Les

--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


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Subject: Re: Hallelujah!  (Was:  Re:  Black brains...)
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~Bayajida (bayajida@tunkamanin.win-uk.net) writes:
> ~: now on Sun, 17 Sep 1995 12:21:12 GMT
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) expressed...
> 
> : ...have YOU ever considered the possibility
> :that SOME of the Black's sub-standard performance MAY have SOMETHING to do
> :with their genes?  Typically, liberal spokesthings would rather bite their
> :own tongues out than even CONSIDER that possibility.
> 
> Well so far the evidence given can very easily shown to be 
> flawed. On genetics no one has demonstrated which genes 
> blacks lack. On the issue of crime statistics are always 
> drawn from the united states, were incidentally black crime 
> is on the decline.

ALL crime in the U.S. is on the decline, racially speaking.  Just because
the Blacks are (finally) following suite in this regard doesn't prove a
blessed thing.

> Incidents of Illicit drug use is higher amongst whites than blacks.

How about drug TRAFFICKING?

> On economics the performance and presence of blacks in corporate America 
> continues to increase. On education the performance and presence of 
> blacks attending universities continues to increase. Which contradicts your 
> assertions of black racial inferiority.

How?  One of the cornerstones of "my" assertions about Black inferiority
is that they couldn't make all these advancements if it wasn't for the
Majority helping them out.

Les



--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Sep 18 07:34:58 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: A Simple Experiment
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Andy Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>   :One's perception will become surprisingly sharp and acute after an
>   :industrial super-power uses one's homeland for a theatre of war for
>   :three-and-a-half years.  (translation:  many of the Europeans were willing
>   :to believe ANYTHING the Americans told them after WWII, believing as they
>   :did that might makes right).
> 
> Let me clarify.

Liberals have to ask for clarification a lot, because they make such
stupid-ass assumptions all the time.

> Are you saying that the Germans did not, in fact, launch
> an unprovoked invasion of Poland, Belgium, the Netherlands, et. al., and
> that the Americans convinced them to say that the Germans had AFTER the
> war?

No, arsehole, I was talking about the hollow-cause.
 
Les


--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Sep 18 07:34:58 PDT 1995
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~Bayajida (bayajida@tunkamanin.win-uk.net) writes:
> ~: now on 11 Sep 1995 16:14:07 GMT s565933@aix2.uottawa.ca
> (Craig A. Schiller) expressed...
> :Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> :: Craig A. Schiller (s565933@aix2.uottawa.ca) writes:
> :: > The BEST states where quality education is available, and the POOREST 
> :: > states where it isn't. 
> 
> :: And was education of ANY SORT available anywhere in Africa, except where
> :: it was IMPOSED by Whites? 
> 
> there were 180 schools operating in the mandingo towns of
> niani, jenne and timbucktu, koranic schools in kano & sokoto
> amongst others

Koranic schools.  I think that says it all.

Les



--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Sep 18 07:35:00 PDT 1995
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~Bayajida (bayajida@tunkamanin.win-uk.net) writes:
> ~: now on Fri, 15 Sep 1995 09:19:25 GMT
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) expressed...

(snip)
 
> :Haiti required massive U.S. intervention just to hold elections.  Could
> :they EVER have done it on their own?
> 
> Your arguments are highly selective, and display a real lack
> of knowledge of contemporary history. Many countries have 
> suffered because of incompetent rulers or plain greedy 
> dictatorships; in both white countries and black countries. 
> Haiti is a country in a state of political change; it is not
> a good choice for you to base your racial arguments on given
> that its last military dictator was white.

No, he was a mulatto.  There has ALWAYS been a colour-line in Haiti, as
there is in ANY country with a large number of Blacks in the population.

> In the Caribbean there countries that have been democratic 
> for many decades, and which have high and improving living 
> standards.

So name one.

> The countries in black Africa that have become 
> democratic have done so without the aid of the united states
> or any other white ruled country.

Again, name one.

> The instability in many post-colonial nations is a result of
> the misrule of their former rulers, both colonial and home 
> grown. The ruinous debt burden these countries currently 
> struggle to overcome is a consequence of this misrule. It is
> not a matter of racial inability, it is the consequence of 
> bad inheritance.

Oh, sure, sure, just another "blame de White man for our own failings."

Les


--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Sep 18 07:42:54 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: A Simple Experiment
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Andy Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>   :One's perception will become surprisingly sharp and acute after an
>   :industrial super-power uses one's homeland for a theatre of war for
>   :three-and-a-half years.  (translation:  many of the Europeans were willing
>   :to believe ANYTHING the Americans told them after WWII, believing as they
>   :did that might makes right).
> 
> Let me clarify.

Liberals have to ask for clarification a lot, because they make such
stupid-ass assumptions all the time.

> Are you saying that the Germans did not, in fact, launch
> an unprovoked invasion of Poland, Belgium, the Netherlands, et. al., and
> that the Americans convinced them to say that the Germans had AFTER the
> war?

No, arsehole, I was talking about the hollow-cause.
 
Les


--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Sep 18 07:42:55 PDT 1995
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~Bayajida (bayajida@tunkamanin.win-uk.net) writes:
> ~: now on 11 Sep 1995 16:14:07 GMT s565933@aix2.uottawa.ca
> (Craig A. Schiller) expressed...
> :Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> :: Craig A. Schiller (s565933@aix2.uottawa.ca) writes:
> :: > The BEST states where quality education is available, and the POOREST 
> :: > states where it isn't. 
> 
> :: And was education of ANY SORT available anywhere in Africa, except where
> :: it was IMPOSED by Whites? 
> 
> there were 180 schools operating in the mandingo towns of
> niani, jenne and timbucktu, koranic schools in kano & sokoto
> amongst others

Koranic schools.  I think that says it all.

Les



--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Sep 18 07:42:56 PDT 1995
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~Bayajida (bayajida@tunkamanin.win-uk.net) writes:
> ~: now on Fri, 15 Sep 1995 09:19:25 GMT
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) expressed...

(snip)
 
> :Haiti required massive U.S. intervention just to hold elections.  Could
> :they EVER have done it on their own?
> 
> Your arguments are highly selective, and display a real lack
> of knowledge of contemporary history. Many countries have 
> suffered because of incompetent rulers or plain greedy 
> dictatorships; in both white countries and black countries. 
> Haiti is a country in a state of political change; it is not
> a good choice for you to base your racial arguments on given
> that its last military dictator was white.

No, he was a mulatto.  There has ALWAYS been a colour-line in Haiti, as
there is in ANY country with a large number of Blacks in the population.

> In the Caribbean there countries that have been democratic 
> for many decades, and which have high and improving living 
> standards.

So name one.

> The countries in black Africa that have become 
> democratic have done so without the aid of the united states
> or any other white ruled country.

Again, name one.

> The instability in many post-colonial nations is a result of
> the misrule of their former rulers, both colonial and home 
> grown. The ruinous debt burden these countries currently 
> struggle to overcome is a consequence of this misrule. It is
> not a matter of racial inability, it is the consequence of 
> bad inheritance.

Oh, sure, sure, just another "blame de White man for our own failings."

Les


--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Sep 18 11:24:12 PDT 1995
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~Bayajida (bayajida@tunkamanin.win-uk.net) writes:
> ~: now on 11 Sep 1995 16:14:07 GMT s565933@aix2.uottawa.ca
> (Craig A. Schiller) expressed...
> :Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> :: Craig A. Schiller (s565933@aix2.uottawa.ca) writes:
> :: > The BEST states where quality education is available, and the POOREST 
> :: > states where it isn't. 
> 
> :: And was education of ANY SORT available anywhere in Africa, except where
> :: it was IMPOSED by Whites? 
> 
> there were 180 schools operating in the mandingo towns of
> niani, jenne and timbucktu, koranic schools in kano & sokoto
> amongst others

Koranic schools.  I think that says it all.

Les



--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


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~Bayajida (bayajida@tunkamanin.win-uk.net) writes:
> ~: now on Fri, 15 Sep 1995 09:19:25 GMT
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) expressed...

(snip)
 
> :Haiti required massive U.S. intervention just to hold elections.  Could
> :they EVER have done it on their own?
> 
> Your arguments are highly selective, and display a real lack
> of knowledge of contemporary history. Many countries have 
> suffered because of incompetent rulers or plain greedy 
> dictatorships; in both white countries and black countries. 
> Haiti is a country in a state of political change; it is not
> a good choice for you to base your racial arguments on given
> that its last military dictator was white.

No, he was a mulatto.  There has ALWAYS been a colour-line in Haiti, as
there is in ANY country with a large number of Blacks in the population.

> In the Caribbean there countries that have been democratic 
> for many decades, and which have high and improving living 
> standards.

So name one.

> The countries in black Africa that have become 
> democratic have done so without the aid of the united states
> or any other white ruled country.

Again, name one.

> The instability in many post-colonial nations is a result of
> the misrule of their former rulers, both colonial and home 
> grown. The ruinous debt burden these countries currently 
> struggle to overcome is a consequence of this misrule. It is
> not a matter of racial inability, it is the consequence of 
> bad inheritance.

Oh, sure, sure, just another "blame de White man for our own failings."

Les


--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Sep 18 22:18:51 PDT 1995
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Anonymous IU Student (student@indiana.edu) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:

(snip)

Some Black nationalist:
>>> In the Caribbean there countries that have been democratic 
>>> for many decades, and which have high and improving living 
>>> standards.

Moi:
>>So name one.
>>
> Trinidad, Bahamas, Antigua...

ROTFL!!!
 
>>> The countries in black Africa that have become 
>>> democratic have done so without the aid of the united states
>>> or any other white ruled country.
>>
>>Again, name one.
> 
> Bostwana, Zambia, Zimbabwe...

Now I'm REALLY rolling on the floor laughing!

ANonymous, get a grip on reality.  There's nothing wrong with being proud
of your race, unless you only have cultural appropriation to rely on.

Les


--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


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~Bayajida (bayajida@tunkamanin.win-uk.net) writes:
> ~: now on Mon, 18 Sep 1995 09:51:45 GMT bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) expressed...
>  
> :> :: And was education of ANY SORT available anywhere in Africa, except where
> :> :: it was IMPOSED by Whites? 
> :> 
> :> there were 180 schools operating in the mandingo towns of
> :> niani, jenne and timbucktu, koranic schools in kano & sokoto
> :> amongst others
> 
> :Koranic schools.  I think that says it all.
> 
> Well these school were not imposed upon by whites, they resulted
> from the development of a liturate cultures in various parts of west 
> africa. 
> 
> What  do you think it says?

I think it says that Islam is not indigenous to Black Africans, but was
IMPOSED on them by Arab merchants.  Try again.

Les



--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


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~Bayajida (bayajida@tunkamanin.win-uk.net) writes:
> ~: now on Mon, 18 Sep 1995 09:56:51 GMT bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) expressed...
> 
> :> Your arguments are highly selective, and display a real lack
> :> of knowledge of contemporary history. Many countries have 
> :> suffered because of incompetent rulers or plain greedy 
> :> dictatorships; in both white countries and black countries. 
> :> Haiti is a country in a state of political change; it is not
> :> a good choice for you to base your racial arguments on given
> :> that its last military dictator was white.
> 
> :No, he was a mulatto.  There has ALWAYS been a colour-line in Haiti, as
> :there is in ANY country with a large number of Blacks in the population.
> 
> By the reasonable standards of most nations, he is a white man. The 
> fact that he may be able to trace a black ancestor is incongrous. He 
> has white skin therefore he is white!

Are you colour-blind?  Raoul The Ghoul Cedras, white?  By the "reasonable"
standards of WHICH nations, pray tell?

> :> In the Caribbean there countries that have been democratic 
> :> for many decades, and which have high and improving living 
> :> standards.
> 
> :So name one.
> 
> Trinidad.
>
ROTFL!!!

> :> The countries in black Africa that have become 
> :> democratic have done so without the aid of the united states
> :> or any other white ruled country.
> 
> :Again, name one.
> 
> Zimbabwe.

BWAHAHAHA!!!  Is that the one where Robert Mugabe led his TOTALLY
INDIGENOUS rebels?  They weren't influenced by the Cubans AT ALL, now,
were they?

Les

--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Sep 18 23:22:35 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Read and learn you liberal pigs
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Pandora (jdoctors@u.washington.edu) writes:
> Fine, then.  We won't waste our time with someone like you--You see, WE-
> as liberals, believe in freedom of speech, freedom of thought, & freedom of 
> expression in general.  Therefore, unlike you, we are willing to let you rant and rave
> and we will go about the business of truth despite you!

You do not.  YOu just can't silence him through whining and bitching yet,
so you're going to pretend that you're (ie, liberals) these big, tolerant
types.  Make me barf.

Les
--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Sep 19 06:37:12 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: A Simple Experiment
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Civilized Man (student@ucs.indiana.edu) writes:

(snip)

Bayajida:
>>> :> there were 180 schools operating in the mandingo towns of
>>> :> niani, jenne and timbucktu, koranic schools in kano & sokoto
>>> :> amongst others

Moi: 
>>> :Koranic schools.  I think that says it all.

B:
>>> Well these school were not imposed upon by whites, they resulted
>>> from the development of a liturate cultures in various parts of west 
>>> africa. 
>>> 
>>> What  do you think it says?

>>I think it says that Islam is not indigenous to Black Africans, but was
>>IMPOSED on them by Arab merchants.  Try again.
 
> Fool, Christianity was not indigenous to White Europeans.


Uh, did I ever say that it was?  You really need to unclog your brain from
that rap shit, and start paying a little attention.

> So what does that say?

Not much.

> BTW, Islam was not not IMPOSED on West Africans any more than Christianity 
> was IMPOSED on Western Europeans.

My ASS Christianity was never imposed on Western Europeans.  Try reading a
little history instead of listening to that rap crap and thinking that
you're "cool" because you can call us White people "devils".

> Your stupidity is never ending, heh? > 

Pot.  Kettle.  Black.

Les


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He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
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		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Sep 19 06:37:14 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Where did Islam come from? (was: A Simple Experiment)
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~Bayajida (bayajida@tunkamanin.win-uk.net) writes:
> ~: now on Tue, 19 Sep 1995 02:21:27 GMT bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) expressed...

(snip)

> :I think it says that Islam is not indigenous to Black Africans, but was
> :IMPOSED on them by Arab merchants.  Try again.
> 
> Arab Merchants _imposed_ islam on black africans? Thats a bit weak.
> There is no evidence for this. You are a liar.

Oh, I see.  So, Islam actually originated in Black Africa, and was spread
by the beneficient Black explorers to the Arabs?  All those bits in the
Koran about Mohammed having Black slaves is just a White racist plot?

Boy, are you ever reaching!

Les


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He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Sep 19 06:37:15 PDT 1995
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~Bayajida (bayajida@tunkamanin.win-uk.net) writes:
> ~: now on Tue, 19 Sep 1995 02:28:47 GMT bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) expressed...

(snip)

> :Are you colour-blind?  Raoul The Ghoul Cedras, white?  By the "reasonable"
> :standards of WHICH nations, pray tell?
> 
> He is probably whiter than you.

Ah, yes, trust a Black to make damn-fool claims about "White" mulattoes,
and then resort to ad hominem attacks when called on it.

You know, you remind me of an "intergendered" person from Ottawa who tried
to tell me that Phillipinos are often called "White" by other Orientals
because he wanted desperately to prove that a "White" had committed a
heinous crime (in this case, injecting her lover with HIV).

> :> :> The countries in black Africa that have become 
> :> :> democratic have done so without the aid of the united states
> :> :> or any other white ruled country.
> 
> :> :Again, name one.
> 
> :> Zimbabwe.
> 
> :BWAHAHAHA!!!  Is that the one where Robert Mugabe led his TOTALLY
> :INDIGENOUS rebels?  They weren't influenced by the Cubans AT ALL, now,
> :were they?
> 
> He purchased arms from many nations.

He sure did:  Cuba, the USSR, Angola...

Les 


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brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
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David Reilley (dreilley@pinc.com) writes:
> In article <43lpse$5s7@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> Civilized Man  writes:
>>From: Civilized Man 

(snip)

>>Dumb devil.
> 
>>Up and down the continent of Africa there were schools. Writing
>>existed among sundry people. From the Amhara and Tigre in Ethiopia
>>to the Somali and Swahili to the Vai of Liberia and the scores
>>of other nations in West Africa.  
> 
> Thank you for that information.
> 
> Why is it that the people with the strongest opinions on this topic seem to 
> tbe those with the fewest facts to back them up.

You mean, like the Black Nationalists?  Liberia didn't even exist until
1835 (I think, but I know it wasn't in existence until the AMERICANS set
it up) and it quickly became a slavocracy, where the former slaves from
the United States promptly enslaved the formerly free indigenous Blacks.

Les


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He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Sep 19 07:39:45 PDT 1995
Article: 2282 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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Subject: A Black lectures us about sterotyping (gawd, this guy's a HOOT!)
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aloysius (cmlewis@usc.edu) writes:

(snip)
 
>    my point is that you have no idea exactly what the average "black"
> family is doing these days.  as you are not a member of said social
> grouping there is no way possible for you to give an objective and
> realistic account of modern blacks live.  all that you can do, and i say
> this at the risk of sounding redundant, is stereotype based on your own
> limited (and ignorant) knowledge.  

You have no idea what the average White is doing these days, yet that
doesn't stop, or even slow down, YOUR stereotyping.

Les



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aloysius (cmlewis@usc.edu) writes:

Moi:
>> : Other peoples, with the notable exception of Blacks, had boats.  So, why
>> : aren't we speaking Chinese or Japanese, or some other non-White language? 
>  
>    note: blacks didn't feel the need to go fucking with other cultures.

BWAHAHAHA!!!  As if they COULD have!  Shit, Ally, you're the funniest
thing to crop up here in a LONG time!
 
>    still don't really (with a few notable exceptions, of course). thus the
> emergence of black slang and culture (which is so fresh and def and dope
> and fly that it has been absorbed into the white mainstream... unlike the
> creators of said terms).
> 
>             aloysius (forty acres and a mule > forty ounces and a gun)

Now, we come to the crux of the matter.  It's revealing how Blacks ALWAYS
come back to dope and guns.

Les

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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Dem beastial Blacks! (was: Griswold's Childhood)
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Derek Abma (dabma@chat.carleton.ca) writes:
> Let this become a open forum for people who wish to speculate on the
> traumatic events in Les's childhood which caused him to become the
> babbling idiot he is today.  Let me get the the ball rolling.  I think
> he was beaten up by blacks at a school dance for his terrible
> co-ordination on the dance floor.

Are you suggesting that Blacks are so primitive that they would resort to
physical violence just for something like that?

You can admit it, Derek.  YOu think that Blacks are prone to violence,
don't you?

Les
   
   
   
   
    Pink Floyd, 1994 > 
> Email address: dabma@chat.carleton.ca
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Slimy Lizard (lzaird@io.org) writes:
> bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Sylvie Charbonneau) wrote:
> 
>>lzaird (lzaird@io.org) writes:
>>> What about the 12 year-old White girls who are pregnant, and dropping
>>> out of school?  (I don't know about the states, though, Sylvie, but
>>> you can't drop out in THIS country at 12...you ARE in Canada, right?)
>>Oh, gimme a break Lizard.  Are you trying to tell me that there are just
>>as many White girls getting pregnant as there are black girls? Please,
>>even you can't be so deluded.
> 
> Visit the following places next time you're in Toronto.  
> 
> - Carleton Village
> - Missisagua
> - Etobicoce
> - Any High-School.
> 
> When I left High-School in 1994, I knew one Black girl who was
> pregnant, and three White girls who were pregnant.  Now, this is just
> an example.  Western Tech was a very racially diverse school, and I
> knew almost everyone.  Teen Pregnancy is a problem of all races, why?
> Because all races of teens have sex, right?  Right.  Of course, I
> don't know how it is in Ottowa...Les.

*sigh*  Lizard, for your "reasoning" to have any validity, Blacks would
have to be ONE-THIRD OR MORE of the population.  Get it?  See, for more...
ah, fuck it, why try to explain simple mathematics to a moron?  What am I,
Aloysius? 

(snip)

>>> Near zero, both sides... Funny how that is eh?   
>>You're joking, right?  Europeans had no written languages 400 years ago? 
>>Please.  So basically, all the novels that were written in France during
>>the Renaissance, all of Shakespeare's plays and novels and poems etc...
>>are just figments of my imagination.  The runic futhark system of the
>>Norsemen is just graffiti, right?  The carved standing stones in Ireland
>>and England (that are hundreds of years old) are just works of nature?   
> 
> Oh yeah!  During british colonialism Literacy was RAMPANT!

During British colonialism, literacy was far wider spread among White
peoples than it was among Blacks.

> Ahahhahahahah!!!  That's the dummest thing I've ever heard!  So what?
> Shakespeare knew how to write, the people who attended his playes
> couldn't.

And your point is...?

> Anybody who could write was probably rich.

And again, your point is...?

Why were there no rich darkies?

> And since you're bringing up the Norsemen and the Celts etc... Why don't we go
> to the middle east, and Egypt.  Enough said.   Writing in 2500BC

No, why don't we stick with the Blacks, like you're so hot to do, and
listen as you list all of their great literary achievements (sounds of
crickets chirping to an empty field).

Les


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evil Beavis (stefan@scott.net) writes:
>>   bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
>>  .... the ole Beavster has been pretty quiet since having his foot fetish
>>  exposed.  Wonder why that is?
> 
> Well, my dear friend Les, my computer fucked up, but now I am back in full 
> force as I am sure you will appreciate. Time to expose some stupid racist for 
> the booger eatin' retards they are once again! See ya...

Gee, "booger eatin' retards".  As opposed to foot licking geniuses like you?

Les


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brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
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evil Beavis (stefan@scott.net) writes:
>>   bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
>>  I can't take the credit for it - it originally comes from the pen of Mr.
>>  Arthur Kemp, a White South African, who has presumably had enough Black
>>  belly-aching about "repression".
> 
> Yeah, I'd say shooting schoolchildren is "repression" at the least. It is murder, 
> wouldn't you say Les? 
 
Ooh, yeah, and schoolchildren were just shot SO OFTEN in South Africa. 
It would have been so much more enlightened to leave the Blacks to fight
their tribal warfare for all time, wouldn't it?

Les


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brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
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aloysius (cmlewis@usc.edu) writes:
> In article , bcat@netcom.com (Bearcat) wrote:
> 
>> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
>> : They sure seem to love fantasizing about going over "racists" with torture
>> : implements... wonder how many of them I'd find over on alt.sex.fetish.S&M?
> 
>    no.  i merely state that if you want a war, be prepared to die for your
> beliefs, in whatsoever horrid way that your enemy chooses.

Oh, gee, thanks for the reminder!  I NEVER thought that it would have to
get violent!  I just thought that we could, you know, CONVINCE you guys
(minorities and liberals) that we were right and you were wrong.  I'm
actually a taped-glasses, pocket-protector-wearing anemic, who blanches
at the thought of a dust-up.

> i do not like torture; i do not like death.  i have no desire whatsoever
> to harm anyone.  however, i will not take your bullshit racist agenda
> lying down. if nessacary, i will do whatever it takes to prevent you and
> those of your ilk from destroying the american dream for the underpriveleged 
> of this nation.

"... the underpriveleged of this nation" (I take it you mean the U.S.) are
MILES better off than the upper-class in ANY Black-run state.

Les


--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Sep 19 07:44:49 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: The liberal resort...
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(and I'm not talking about Club Med, either)

... is to always work bestial sex into their insults, and then to cry
innocent when called on it.  Pretty funny, actually.

And as soon as a White Supremacist starts talking about reality (ie,
Blacks like to rape Whites, male as well as female), they get all
analytical and Freudian, showing everyone how much they know by asking
what, to their little minds, are revealing questions about sexual
fantasies.  Hey, wake up, liberal assholes!  The only ones with fantasies
about Black bucks are you!

Les
 
--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


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aloysius (cmlewis@usc.edu) writes:

Moi:
>> : Other peoples, with the notable exception of Blacks, had boats.  So, why
>> : aren't we speaking Chinese or Japanese, or some other non-White language? 
>  
>    note: blacks didn't feel the need to go fucking with other cultures.

BWAHAHAHA!!!  As if they COULD have!  Shit, Ally, you're the funniest
thing to crop up here in a LONG time!
 
>    still don't really (with a few notable exceptions, of course). thus the
> emergence of black slang and culture (which is so fresh and def and dope
> and fly that it has been absorbed into the white mainstream... unlike the
> creators of said terms).
> 
>             aloysius (forty acres and a mule > forty ounces and a gun)

Now, we come to the crux of the matter.  It's revealing how Blacks ALWAYS
come back to dope and guns.

Les

--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Sep 19 07:44:51 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Bearscat (bcat@netcom.com) writes:

(snip)
 
> Actually, no. There are more white girls getting pregnant than
> there are black girls. Check out the stats.

Holy FUCK, but we have a real winner here!  WHERE are these "stats" to be
found?
 
(snip)

> So, did Shakespeare (or anyone else, for that matter) ever
> write anything in the runic futhark system? Of course not, because
> it wasn't a real alphabet by any stretch of the imagination. It
> was primitive pictographs that didn't come within a million
> miles of the pictographic alphabet created by the Egyptians.

No, he wrote in Middle English, which evolved from Old English and
French, both Aryan languages.

> The black, African Egyptians. Runes are a joke.

You can say that the 'Gyptians was BLACK, man! and call runes a joke?

> There have only been two phonetic alphabets invented in the whole
> history of the world, and neither of them were invented by us
> northern Europeans. One was Sumerian and the other was Aztec.
> 
> : The carved standing stones in Ireland
> : and England (that are hundreds of years old) are just works of nature?   
> 
> "Hundreds" of years? Wow, not hundreds of years -- what an
> accomplishment. They're actually close on 4,000 years old but they're
> pimitive, pathetic shit compared to the pyramids of Egypt and
> South and central America. Only a people as unaccomplished as 
> northern Europeans would look at that shit with pride. Native 
> Americans had monuments as impressive that, and I do mean 
> North Americans.

Those "pathetic shit" monuments that you are so quick to deride are
leagues beyond what is passed off as "great Black cities" in the former
Rhodesia and Central Africa.  Only Blacks (and negrophiles)would look at
that shit with pride.  Only total idiots would still claim that the
Egyptians were Black at any time when they actually ACCOMPLISHED anything
of note.

Les


--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Sep 19 08:05:17 PDT 1995
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Andy Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>   :> Are you saying that the Germans did not, in fact, launch
>   :> an unprovoked invasion of Poland, Belgium, the Netherlands, et. al., and
>   :> that the Americans convinced them to say that the Germans had AFTER the
>   :> war?
>   :
>   :No, arsehole, I was talking about the hollow-cause.
> 
> I wasn't.

Who cares what you were allegedly babbling about?  If you'll notice, you
asked ME what I was saying (because, I guess, you're too stupid to have
figured it out the first time).

> Your original assertion was that the rest of Europe didn't
> notice the Nazi threat because there was no threat to notice.

No, I wasn't talking about the Nazis at all, except that I could see
another round of weeping and wailing about the hollow-cause coming on.

> I responded
> that the unprovoked invasions of Germany's neigbors certainly seemed
> threatening to those nations.

Again, Raggedy, who cares what you "think" (and I do use that word VERY
loosely)?  The only thing about you is, you can be trusted to jump right
on in to any old string with your devil-may-care attitude.

> The holocaust aside, Germany was undeniably
> an aggressive, expansionist nation,

No argument there.

> and a threat to the rest of Europe.

BIG argument there.

Les

--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Sep 19 08:05:57 PDT 1995
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Andy Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>   :> Are you saying that the Germans did not, in fact, launch
>   :> an unprovoked invasion of Poland, Belgium, the Netherlands, et. al., and
>   :> that the Americans convinced them to say that the Germans had AFTER the
>   :> war?
>   :
>   :No, arsehole, I was talking about the hollow-cause.
> 
> I wasn't.

Who cares what you were allegedly babbling about?  If you'll notice, you
asked ME what I was saying (because, I guess, you're too stupid to have
figured it out the first time).

> Your original assertion was that the rest of Europe didn't
> notice the Nazi threat because there was no threat to notice.

No, I wasn't talking about the Nazis at all, except that I could see
another round of weeping and wailing about the hollow-cause coming on.

> I responded
> that the unprovoked invasions of Germany's neigbors certainly seemed
> threatening to those nations.

Again, Raggedy, who cares what you "think" (and I do use that word VERY
loosely)?  The only thing about you is, you can be trusted to jump right
on in to any old string with your devil-may-care attitude.

> The holocaust aside, Germany was undeniably
> an aggressive, expansionist nation,

No argument there.

> and a threat to the rest of Europe.

BIG argument there.

Les

--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


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Cecelia A Clancy (cacst9+@pitt.edu) writes:

(snip)
 
> Check the Nizkor website for more about Milton Kleim. The Nizkor Project
> can be accessed with . 
> 
> Despite the fact that Kleim has specifically instructed his fellow "Aryan
> activists" that "under no circumstances is this work to be posted or
> distributed publicly without explicit permission from the author" (see his
> footer at the bottom), Reuben Logsdon, one of his fellow "Aryan activists" 
> has already made it publicly available, on his website.  It can be 
> found at .
> 	
> Also note in the footer at that Kleim claims that he holds a copyright to
> this work.  So if her really does have a copyright, I am violating his
> copyright by posting this in these groups (even though one of his fellow
> "Aryan activists" has already spilled the beans to the general public). 

1)  Maybe Reuben DID get permission to post it.

2)  I'm sure that Milton and Reuben are thanking you for the free
advertisements.

Les
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He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
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Anonymous IU Student (student@indiana.edu) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>~Bayajida (bayajida@tunkamanin.win-uk.net) writes:

(snip)

B:
>>> :> The countries in black Africa that have become 
>>> :> democratic have done so without the aid of the united states
>>> :> or any other white ruled country.

L'il ole me: 
>>> :Again, name one.
>>> 
>>> Zimbabwe.
>>
>>BWAHAHAHA!!!  Is that the one where Robert Mugabe led his TOTALLY
>>INDIGENOUS rebels?  They weren't influenced by the Cubans AT ALL, now,
>>were they?
> 
> Your point is undermined Les. Cuba is not a white nation.

Influenced HEAVILY by the former Soviet Union, which WAS a largely White
country (where it wasn't crawling with jews).

> Besides,
> no nation is an island. There is no civil war there now and the country
> has been known for its stability- economically and politically.

That's true enough.  Things ARE pretty stable at the bottom of the heap.

Les

--
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brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
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Alex (t3009038@student.anu.edu.au) writes:
> I am reposting this article in the hope of getting a response from Les 
> Griswold:
> 
> Mr.Griswold, I have some questions to ask of you which I have already 
> presented to you, but which you have so far not answered satisfactorily:
> 
> 1.  Why is the "liberal ideology" based on fear; why are liberals motivated by 
> either fear or insanity?  You have not answered this, even though I asked you 
> to do so in two different postings.

Simple:  what else, besides insanity, would you view as the driving force
for someone placing the interests of ANOTHER RACE above one's own?
 
> 2.  Why are you refusing to refute my argument which shows that racism is 
> based on fear?  If what I say is merely "liberal psycho-babble", as you put 
> it, then it can't be hard to do so.  The last time I asked you to do this, you 
> said "Assuming we CARE what you think", which was totally unrelated to what I 
> had said before.  So please don't answer in one-line sentences, but present an 
> argument.

A two-parter!

1)  I am "refusing to refute (your) argument" about racism and fear
because it is just a dismissive statement, with no fact to back it up.  

2)  No, refuting you isn't hard to do.  I just don't care to bother, since
you're so mentally challenged.

> 3.  How would you define a liberal and the "liberal ideology"?

Simple:  liberals are those who REFUSE to see anything significant in
race, and get rabidly hysterical when others do.  The liberal ideology is
one which sees freedom from responsibility as its ultimate aim.

> 4.  What is racial chaos?

My GOD, man!  Are you that fucking blind?  Try looking at Black-on-White
crime statistics, and tell me that racial chaos is some abstract, abstruse
idea that needs to be explained to you in minute detail.

Les


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brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Sep 20 07:45:00 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: White men and Black women; opinions.
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Lester Toews (mct394@freenet.mb.ca) writes:

(snip)

> We are descendants of an African Eve so why bother?

*sigh*  I hate having to explain over and over, but with retards, there's
little option...

We're also all descendants of ameobae, so why aren't we doing anything to
promote the rights of unicellular creatures?

Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Sep 20 07:45:02 PDT 1995
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F.G. Silva, III (silvafg@fastlane.net) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) penned:

(snip)

> :We're also all descendants of ameobae, so why aren't we doing anything to
> :promote the rights of unicellular creatures?
> 
> Well Mr. Big Bung, if that's the route you want to go, you seem to
> forget that all of us were in that same soup of life...and swimming
> together, indiscriminately mind you.  

Gawd, you sound like Barney Meets Charles Darwin, with your implication
that just any old unicellular goop made the grade, and that ALL amoebae
lived in happy harmony.  Competition happened at the unicellular level,
and it's happening between humans and humanoids.
 
> I'd dare say that the oceans did not distinguish the white amoeba from
> the black, from the brown or from the yellow into separate but equal
> pools.  That is if amoebas came in all colors.  Perhaps Pappy Grismold
> taught you learned science a little different 'round them hills.

Case in point.

Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Sep 20 07:45:03 PDT 1995
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Subject: A question for you liberals...
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Okay, we'll assume that you liberals know shit from Shinola, although I
admit that that's a pretty big assumption.  But, anyway...

All right, so the ancient Egyptians were Black, black as the ace of
spades.  I won't argue with you there.  Ramses II was a vitrtual twin of
Mumia Abu-Jamal (gee, I wonder if he was a cop-killer too).  Anyway, if
all the geniuses of the ancient world were Black, why are Blacks today
such a backwards people?  Why are the pyramids the best they could
accomplish, so long ago?  Why isn't the Black race leading the way, rather
than barely subsisting, as they are now?

Les

--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


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evil Beavis (stefan@scott.net) writes:
>>   bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
> 
>>  Are you colour-blind?  Raoul The Ghoul Cedras, white?  By the "reasonable"
>>  standards of WHICH nations, pray tell?
> 
> Well, there are other standards than Canadian and US ones in case you didn't know...

Such as...?

Les


--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
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evil Beavis (stefan@scott.net) writes:
>>  You mean, like the Black Nationalists?  Liberia didn't even exist until
>>  1835 (I think, but I know it wasn't in existence until the AMERICANS set
>>  it up) and it quickly became a slavocracy, where the former slaves from
>>  the United States promptly enslaved the formerly free indigenous Blacks.
> 
> Yes, and they are paying for it dearly now...

Yep, they're sure payin' for it, all right!  Why, there are just SO MANY
economic sanctions against them, and the international community is just
OUTRAGED at their behaviour, and... oh, wait, that was South Africa up
until last year.  Sorry.

Les

--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


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evil Beavis (stefan@scott.net) writes:
>>   bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
>>  evil Beavis (stefan@scott.net) writes:
>>  >>   bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
>>  >>  I can't take the credit for it - it originally comes from the pen of Mr.
>>  >>  Arthur Kemp, a White South African, who has presumably had enough Black
>>  >>  belly-aching about "repression".
>>  > 
>>  > Yeah, I'd say shooting schoolchildren is "repression" at the least. It is murder, 
>>  > wouldn't you say Les? 
>>   
>>  Ooh, yeah, and schoolchildren were just shot SO OFTEN in South Africa. 
>>  It would have been so much more enlightened to leave the Blacks to fight
>>  their tribal warfare for all time, wouldn't it?
> 
> Ask any South African and they will most certainly tell you that Apartheid - both pre- and 
> post 1948 - has caused much more harm to the peoples of South Africa since the arrival 
> of Jan van Riebeek in the 17th century.

Don't didge the question, Beavis:  how many school children have been shot
in South Africa?

Les


--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


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Lester Toews (mct394@freenet.mb.ca) writes:
> On Fri, 15 Sep 1995, Les Griswold wrote:
> 
>> What really makes me laugh is the Black demand for reparations, as if
>> they've had it so rough here.  Tell me honestly, could Blacks have
>> developed even one-one hundredth of what they get, gratis, here?  Name me
>> ONE Black-run country that is doing even marginally well.
> 
> Name one African country that has not been done over by the imperialism 
> of Europe.

Let's put it in perspective:  name one African country that wasn't dragged
out of savage sub-human barbarity by the "imperialism of Europe".
 
> Name one African country that has not been impacted by the militarism of 
> the United States, South Africa, and Israel (the triad that has done them 
> in).

... and its situation was much improved thereby.

Les

--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Black literacy...
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I mean, shit, guys, let's stop fantasizing.  If you took every Black who
was literate before 1500 A.D. and put 'em all in a room, you couldn't hold
a conversation!  I mean, jeepers, let's stop the B.S.-ing, all right?

Les

--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: White men and Black women; opinions.
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Lester Toews (mct394@freenet.mb.ca) writes:

(snip)

> We are descendants of an African Eve so why bother?

*sigh*  I hate having to explain over and over, but with retards, there's
little option...

We're also all descendants of ameobae, so why aren't we doing anything to
promote the rights of unicellular creatures?

Les


--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


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F.G. Silva, III (silvafg@fastlane.net) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) penned:

(snip)

> :We're also all descendants of ameobae, so why aren't we doing anything to
> :promote the rights of unicellular creatures?
> 
> Well Mr. Big Bung, if that's the route you want to go, you seem to
> forget that all of us were in that same soup of life...and swimming
> together, indiscriminately mind you.  

Gawd, you sound like Barney Meets Charles Darwin, with your implication
that just any old unicellular goop made the grade, and that ALL amoebae
lived in happy harmony.  Competition happened at the unicellular level,
and it's happening between humans and humanoids.
 
> I'd dare say that the oceans did not distinguish the white amoeba from
> the black, from the brown or from the yellow into separate but equal
> pools.  That is if amoebas came in all colors.  Perhaps Pappy Grismold
> taught you learned science a little different 'round them hills.

Case in point.

Les


--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Sep 20 07:47:30 PDT 1995
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Subject: A question for you liberals...
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Okay, we'll assume that you liberals know shit from Shinola, although I
admit that that's a pretty big assumption.  But, anyway...

All right, so the ancient Egyptians were Black, black as the ace of
spades.  I won't argue with you there.  Ramses II was a vitrtual twin of
Mumia Abu-Jamal (gee, I wonder if he was a cop-killer too).  Anyway, if
all the geniuses of the ancient world were Black, why are Blacks today
such a backwards people?  Why are the pyramids the best they could
accomplish, so long ago?  Why isn't the Black race leading the way, rather
than barely subsisting, as they are now?

Les

--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


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evil Beavis (stefan@scott.net) writes:
>>   cl2112@aol.com (CL2112) writes:
>>  eB, why don't you ever write some constructive criticism? I'm not taking
>>  Les' side in your purile little squabble, but at least he states his views
>>  openly, giving you an open and fair opportunity to take a shot at him. You
>>  seem to hide behind petty little insults, never taking a stand or putting
>>  out a coherent thought for people to respond to. One of the charms of this
>>  group (and I don't agree with everything in here) is that people here
>>  aren't necessarily going to recognize you as correct simply because you
>>  are taking society's standard issue moral high ground. At least (wether or
>>  not I agree with what he has said) I have to recognize that Les has a
>>  certain amount of intellectual courage in saying something that I think
>>  the broad spectrum of America disagrees with. You have never written
>>  anything to demonstrate that YOUR knuckles aren't scraped up from dragging
>>  on the ground. Otherwise, it's better to keep quiet and let people think
>>  you're stupid, than to speak up and prove it. 
>>  P.S. Please don't write something back which would only illustrate my
>>  point, like " You should have kept your mouth shut, stupid!"

Because the simple fact is, evil Beavis is incapable of anything more.  He
realizes that his position is extremely untenable, and so has to resort to
high-decibel screeching and misattribution of claims to get his point
across.  More, I suspect that he's deathly afraid of appearing to stand
apart from the crowd.  He'd just like to salivate over the feet of the
girls of TLC without anyone noticing that he's just a drooling little
pervert who MAY someday grow up.

> The point is well taken, but you have to realize that it is somewhat hard to argue 
> constructively with people that claim things such as:
> 
> 1. Black people are not human
> 
> 2. The Holocaust never happened
> 
> 3. The only civilizations are white civilizations
> 
> You see, when people who are as stubborn as Les Griswold simply refuses to open 
> their eyes and look around them, you cannot expect them to ever be able to reason 
> with you. Therefore, sad as it may be, you have to speak the juvenile language 
> which is all our "supremacist" friends will ever master. Sure, McKinstry and others 
> make excellent use of fancy language here, as I would expect any people involved 
> in academia to be able to do, but their ideas and convictions are still corrupt and 
> rotten to the core. 

So why do you post here at all, or even read anything here?  Got an Albert
Schwietzer syndrome, you just HAVE to preach to the Great Unwashed? (BTW,
speaking of Schweitzer, you should read his opinion of the intellectual
powers of Blacks in his book, _On The Edge of the Primeval Forest_.)

> Fortunately however, these people represent only a lunatic fringe in most societies, 
> and therefore there are lots of other forums where one can constructively express 
> and share ideas. Here, though, I think it is impossible to raise the level of dialogue 
> above that of amoebas. Thus in line with my utter contempt of these sheltered, 
> ignorant racists, I will continue to hit them with direct, simple language which is the 
> only kind they can ever hope to comprehend.

So why the vehemence in attacking us (not our ideas) if we represent "only
a lunatic fringe"?  Afraid that we're so smart that we'll hoodwink the
vast majority of people out there?  If our ideas are so poor
intellectually, the majority of people must be PRETTY STUPID not to be
able to figure that one out on their own, without teenage foot-fetishists
like yhourself to point it out.

> Les will no doubt attribute these beliefs of mine as being derived from what he so 
> contemptously refers to as "liberal elitism", but the fact is we are fortunate that there 
> are more people ascribing to such beliefs than those of nutcases like him and 
> McKinstry. People like "Rev." Ron are too far gone to even consider seriously. 
> So if you are up to debate on issues pertaining to this forum, I will be glad to join in 
> and answer your questions. I do not claim to know everything about civilization and 
> its relevance to mankind as Les Griswold does, but I can obviously say that I am a 
> hell of a lot more cosmopolitan and well travelled than he is, so I am pretty sure I will 
> be able to contribute to the debate in some way. Les is and will always be a loser. 
> You know, the only thing worse than ignorance is to be ignorant of your ignorance. 
> Something for these self-professed "supremacist" idiots to think about...

You ARE a liberal elitist, and it doesn't require a crystal ball to have
seen that.  But it's really funny how you almost reflexively respond with
"but they're just a minority, anyway:  I'M in the majority!"  We can
almost HEAR your sigh of comfort as you hide among all your liberal
buddies, safe n' sound from us nasty "Natsees".

Les

 >  > 	
> 


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brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
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evil Beavis (stefan@scott.net) writes:
>>   bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
>>  evil Beavis (stefan@scott.net) writes:
>>  >>  You mean, like the Black Nationalists?  Liberia didn't even exist until
>>  >>  1835 (I think, but I know it wasn't in existence until the AMERICANS set
>>  >>  it up) and it quickly became a slavocracy, where the former slaves from
>>  >>  the United States promptly enslaved the formerly free indigenous Blacks.
>>  > 
>>  > Yes, and they are paying for it dearly now...
>>  
>>  Yep, they're sure payin' for it, all right!  Why, there are just SO MANY
>>  economic sanctions against them, and the international community is just
>>  OUTRAGED at their behaviour, and... oh, wait, that was South Africa up
>>  until last year.  Sorry.
> 
> Economic sanctions are not an option in a country completely ravaged by six years 
> of civil war because no economy to speak of exists.

No, economic sanctions are applied in an apparently haphazard manner, and
NEVER against Black nations, unless they keep sending boatloads of
"refugees" over to North America.

Might you be so kind as to tell us WHO the warring factions in Liberia's
civil war might be?  Wouldn't be anything like the Hutus vs. the Tutsis,
would it?

Les


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brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
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Come on.  If the U.N. had posted signs around the refugee camps in Kenya,
reading "Do not poop in, or dump dead bodies in, your drinking water!",
does anyone here think that even half of those Hutus could have read them?
 Serious answers only, please.

Les

--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
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Slimy Lizard (lzaird@io.org) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:

(snip)

>>The only "heart of the matter" that needs to be addressed (well, it often
>>is, but Blacks and liberal ninnies don't want to admit it) is that Blacks
>>are far better off over here than they could have EVER been in Africa (and
>>that INCLUDES as slaves).
> 
> Why?  What's so bad about Africa?  It's a very rich country...

That lay fallow for thousands of years as Blacks travelled back and forth
acroos it.  It wasn't until the 17th century, when Whites discovered that
there was something valuable IN the ground, as opposed to ON it, that its
wealth was exploited.

> Where do you think CANADA gets most of it's Gold these days?  (Remember a
> couple of months back, when that Canadian company poisoned that river
> in Africa with industrial waste from GOLD mining?)

I take it you're using "Canadian company" to mean "a WHITE company". 
You're a real hoot, Side-Winder:  are you REALLY going out on a limb and
hoping to darken the reputations of ALL Whites (and thereby imply that all
Blacks are angels) by recounting the naughtiness of ONE company? 
Strangely, you're silent on the fact that there wouldn't have even BEEN a
"Canadian comopany" in Africa without the White man's genius.

> The only reason you think Africa's so bad is because you've been
> taught NOTHING about the continent. 

I don't think Africa's "bad", I just refuse to wallow in the liberal
love-affair with Blacks.

> You're ignorant.  Everything you
> know about Africa has been learned from cartoons or Documentaries
> about the wild parts.  If everything I know about Canada was learned
> from TV, I would swear I was living off the land like rugged
> pioneers... agreed?  

The obligatory liberal speech about "ignorance".  Geez, you guys should
copyright it.

(snip)

>>1)  It should be self-evident that the White race is superior to all
>>others.  The only "wekaness" we have is that we seem to think it necessary
>>to remind you dummies of the obvious.
> 
> Constantly...but you can never really back it up... All you seem to
> have is the notion that somehow YOU invented the lightbulb...which you
> diddn't.  

Like I said, White superiority is so self-evident, only a fool or a
miscreant would argue otherwise.  So which are you?
 
>>2)  What warning signs?  More like expressions of
>>pissing-down-our-legs-in-fear denial from the liberals, who recognize both
>>a growing trend towards racial awareness, and their utter powerlessness to
>>do anything to stop it.
> 
> Yeah, all 4,000 of you pose a HUGE threat to the restof the sane
> country.  

Judging by the liberal yapping here and elsewhere, it appears so.
   
Les


--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Sep 20 07:47:34 PDT 1995
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Subject: Demolishing one liberal myth (was: When the White Lion Awakens)
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The Sub-genius (laramary@er6.rutgers.edu) writes:

(snip)

>>Think of it 
>>when you get your welfare check 
> 
> 	There are more whites on welfare than Blacks.

That's because there are more Whites in society than Blacks.  About six
times as many.  Are there six times as many Whites on welfare as Blacks?

Les

--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
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Subject: And they say they're afraid of WHITE violence...
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>From  _The Ottawa Sun_, September 20, 1995.

L.A. Girl Shot Dead by Gang

"Wrong Turn Leads to Ambush"

LOS ANGELES (Gannett News Service) - Even if she was old enough to read,
4-year-old Stephanie Kuben wouldn't have understood the street graffitti
that now seems a portent of her death:  "Avenue of Killers".

	That message was scrawled in broken Spanish at the entrance of the
alley where Stephanie was shot to death early Sunday.

	In the kind of urban nightmare many dread, Stephanie was mortally
wounded only blocks from her home when her mother's boyfriend made a wrong
turn into a dead-end street used as a hang-out by Hispanic hoodlums,
police said.

	A mob of 20 youths barricaded the carload of Caucasians with trash
cans, then opened fire as the drive frantically tried to escape. 
Stephanie was hit in the head as she lay in her mother's arms in the back
seat.

	Her 2-year-old brother, Joseph, was hit in the foot.  He is
recovering in a local hospital.  Timothy Stone, 25, managed to drive the
family home despite a bullet wound in his back.  He was treated and
released from the hospital Sunday.

	The other passengers - Stephanie's brother, Christopher, 5, mother
Robynn Kuhen, 26, and uncle David Dalton, 22 - were unijured, although
Dalton's baseball cap was creased by a bullet.

	The family was returning from a barbecue birthday party for a friend.

Les

--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Sep 21 12:54:35 PDT 1995
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Anonymous IU Student (student@indiana.edu) writes:

(snip)

> Lester, your vain efforts at making logical pontifications should
> encourage you to be quiet more often. You, as well as all other informed
> people oh these ngs, know that your 19th century ancestors were very 
> naked about their racism. There was no northern egalitariansim. Whites
> did not utter "I'm no racist, but..." behind closed doors. They were
> very explicit in their barbarism. 

Yes, they were.  Whatever happened to us, that we`re afraid to tell
non-Whites what we think of them?

> This foolish idea of yours that your ancestors were kind, civilized and
> fair people is some of the most blatant affronts at truth.

I don`t have such ideas.  FOR THE MOST PART, they were kind, civilized,
and fair.  However, I strongly dispute the whiny, bitchy wailing that
endlessly emits from Black "nationalists" (BWAHAHAHA!!!) like you.

>>Hey, give up on the rap-crap sigs:  they're really stupid.
> 
> Only if you give up on your 'non-racist' nazi sigs.

I`ve never denied that they`re racist.  They also happen to be true.  I
know that people like you have a problem with the truth, but there ya go.

Les


--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


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Anonymous IU Student (student@indiana.edu) writes:

(snip)

> "How much bass could a cave boy kick, if a cave boy could kick a bass?
> He might funk around with a bass he could'nt funk with and might get
> decked in the face."
> -X-Clan

Need I say more?

Les


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He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Sep 21 12:54:37 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: A few questions for liberals...
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Just a few questions.  I mean, you libs are so smart, you should be able
to crank out answers in no time, and with no effort.

1)  Whites cannot be proud of the ACCOMPLISHMENTS of their ancestors, but
they are required to be ASHAMED of the alleged crimes of their ancestors. 
Why is this?

2)  There's no way for a racist to defing "white" to a liberal's
satisfaction; yet, when it comes to welfare and crime, liberals have no
problem defining White.  Why is this?

3)  Ancient Egyptians had institutionalized slavery.  So, were they still
Black?

4)  Open political debate and dissension is allowed (for now) in White,
Western countries.  How is dissent handled in non-White countries? (hint: 
the answer is NOT "with kid gloves.) [fringe behaviour is also tolerated
in White Western countries like it is NOT in non-White, non-Western
countries, ie faggotry and feminism.]

5)  When mulattoes are good, they're counted as Black.  When they're bad,
they're counted as mixed-breeds, and liberals sneer that it "must be the
White in them".  Why is this?

I really wann know the answers to these!  Please, you liberals are so
smart, and you always have the answers, so let's hear 'em!

Les

--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Sep 21 12:54:38 PDT 1995
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aloysius (cmlewis@usc.edu) writes:
>> 
>> 1)  Sutee in India was outlawed by the British when they colonized the
>> sub-continent.  Was that "racist imperialism", and would you rather have
>> sutee back as a LEGAL practice in India?  (sutee, BTW, for others, is when
>> the wife of a Hindu throws herself on his funeral pyre.)
>> 
>> 2)  The slave trade was outlawed by the Europeans and the Americans. 
>> Indigenous Africans have yet to follow suit.
> 
>    regarding fact number 1; i think it's rather romantic.  who are you to
> say that a wife can't die with her husband?  if she feels (as i do) that
> love is forever and that she would rather not go on living without her
> husband, i believe that she should be able to do anything she damn well
> pleases.  i do not advocate such suicide, but there is no way in hell that
> i would "force" said woman not do such a thing, either.  (perhaps someone
> should have saved "juliet" from her fate as well, eh?)

... and what about instances where the woman is FORCIBLY thrown on the
funeral pyre by her family?  I suspect that you're joking, since no-one
can defend such a barbaric practice.  How would you go about justifying
that to the "sistahs"?  Not only is it misogynistic in the extreme, it's
also racist, as non-White women are thrown on the fire.
 
>    regarding fact number 2; come off it, griswold.  there is a difference
> between american and european slavery and african slavery.

Yes, Eurpopean and American slaves were infinitely better off than their
African counterparts.

> for 200 years
> "white" men based their form of slavery completely upon the basis of the
> color of another man's skin, and not a whole fucking lot has changed since
> then.

Maybe you should read _They Were White and They Were Slaves_.  This book
tells about White "indentured servants" who were brought to the New World,
and even mentions a couple of Blacks who owned White slaves.  So, we'll
repay you as soon as you repay us.

> africa is not the concern here (nor india) so please stop your
> slideways posting and address a few pertinent american issues.

No, Africa is NOT the concern here.  There's a big difference between
Africa and the U.S.:  the U.S. VOLUNTARILY gave up slavery (hell, they
even fought a war over it), while Africa hasn't given it up at all.

Les

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brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
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Civilized Man (student@ucs.indiana.edu) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>aloysius (cmlewis@usc.edu) writes:

>>2)  The slave trade was outlawed by the Europeans and the Americans. 
>>Indigenous Africans have yet to follow suit.

> (BWAHAHAAHAH!!!!) That filthy demon lester! You have out done yourself
> with this one! I guess Nat Turner was really a white boy, heh?
> Maybe Denmark Vessy was your great granddady. Or maybe the Maroons
> were members of a colony of friendly, moral whites who treated 
> all people fairly and brought joy to the world!

And what does all this have to do with the fact that one can still buy
slaves in Africa?  Why am I a demon because I refuse to swallow, hook line
and sinker, outlandish stories about what a pristine, uncorrupt paradise
Africa was before us "White devils" got our grubby little hands on it?
 
Les

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brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
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The Sub-genius (laramary@er7.rutgers.edu) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
> 
>>Just a few questions.  I mean, you libs are so smart, you should be able
>>to crank out answers in no time, and with no effort.
> 
> 	Let me give it a shot, Sparky...
> 
>>1)  Whites cannot be proud of the ACCOMPLISHMENTS of their ancestors, but
>>they are required to be ASHAMED of the alleged crimes of their ancestors. 
>>Why is this?
> 
> 	Did anyone say you couldn't be proud of your ancestors
> accomplishments?

Happens every time that some dumb-ass lib comes up and says, "What have
YOU invented, Les?", followed by a diatribe about how I can't take the
credit for what my ancestors did.  Open your ficking eyes and pay more
attention.  I know you schlep your sorry ass over to alt.discrimination,
where most of this crap takes place.

>>2)  There's no way for a racist to defing "white" to a liberal's
>>satisfaction; yet, when it comes to welfare and crime, liberals have no
>>problem defining White.  Why is this?
> 
> 	You see, *you* define being white in any way you see fit.  If
> a mane of Anglican decent is...  say...  gay, all the sudden he is 
> not considered white.

Excuse me?  I don't follow your rather out-and-out lie.  When have I or
ANY WS said that white fags aren't white?  They're DEGENERATE whites.

(snip)

>>5)  When mulattoes are good, they're counted as Black.  When they're bad,
>>they're counted as mixed-breeds, and liberals sneer that it "must be the
>>White in them".  Why is this?
> 
> 	Where did you get that?

The same place you got the "white fags aren't white" and the "no-one
denies you the right to be proud of your ancestors".

Les


--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
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aloysius (cmlewis@usc.edu) writes:

(snip)
 
Moi:
>> "... the underpriveleged of this nation" (I take it you mean the U.S.) are
>> MILES better off than the upper-class in ANY Black-run state.
> 
>    again with the "black-white" thing.

That's what it always boils down to.  Must be pretty annoying when reality
keeps rearing its head like this, eh?
 
>    mr.griswold, i do not intend to die for a "color", but i will die for
> what i believe to be right.  the very fact that you continue to refer to a
> particular social group shows how ignorant you are of exactly how
> convicted focused i am of achieving my own personal goals.
> 
>    your racist agenda interferes with said goals.  therefore it must be
> eliminated in whatever way possible.
> 
>    i was born to die, mr.griswold.

So hurry up and die, then, and stop belabouring us with your personal
anecdotes, and sharing your, shall we say, "unique", views with us.  Steve
Garza may be interested in your views on life, death and the universe, but
frankly, I can't imagine anyone SERIOUS caring about your loopy shit.

> i do not advocate violence as a means
> of solving problems (quite the contrary), but i am not blind to the ways
> of your so-called "upper-class" white power structure.  many a culture was
> destroyed by your "people" in many a heinous and denigrating fashion.

Hoo, boy, another one goes off the deep end!

And my people CREATED many cultures, and stopped barbarous practices in
others.  Just two quick examples (I know your attention span couldn't
handle anything more):

1)  Sutee in India was outlawed by the British when they colonized the
sub-continent.  Was that "racist imperialism", and would you rather have
sutee back as a LEGAL practice in India?  (sutee, BTW, for others, is when
the wife of a Hindu throws herself on his funeral pyre.)

2)  The slave trade was outlawed by the Europeans and the Americans. 
Indigenous Africans have yet to follow suit.

Les
  


--
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brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Sep 21 13:07:36 PDT 1995
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Subject: A question for you liberals... are you guys barnacles?
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Cobra (---) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
 
>> Anyway, if
>> all the geniuses of the ancient world were Black, why are Blacks today
>> such a backwards people? 
> 
> Can you be more specific? Are we talking about blacks in the U.S. or
> blacks in Africa or the whole group?

Take your pick.  No matter WHAT group of Negroes you choose, a group of
Whites that comes from a similar "socioeconomic" background will do much,
much better.

> I'll assume you refer to those in Africa. The reason they are backwards is
> because most of their trade is in basic raw resources and commodities.

Yeah, yeah, sure.  WHY can't they parlay their "basic raw resources and
commodities" into betterment?  How many "basic raw resources and
commodities" does Iceland have, and yet you don't see THEM with their hand
out all the time (or EVER, for that matter).  Face it:  Blacks need
CONSTANT supervision from Whites, or else they'd go extinct in a few short
years.

> They can't just build new industries to compete with the already developed
> world. It's going to take several stages of adjustment and growth.

But if Africa is the "cradle of civilization", shouldn't they have the
jump on us colonials?

> Meanwhile their high growth rates outpace the small increases they make in
> the industrial sector. Simply stated, they are creating too many poor
> uneducated youths who can't be absorbed by the industrial sector. Not to
> mention that modern industries use machinery more than people, and
> adopting advanced technology may actually cost them jobs. 

And it is OUR fault that they refuse to practice birth control?
 
>>  Why isn't the Black race leading the way, rather
>> than barely subsisting, as they are now?
> 
> Do you really want to hear the answer? Go stop by at your local college
> and have a nice friendly chat with an economics professor or even a grad
> student. It's their job to study such things. I don't have a BS or Ph.D.
> in economics. It was my minor. So if you want in depth analysis, go talk
> to those who are really qualified to tell you.

Stevie, Stevie, Stevie...

What will it take to make it sink through your thick liberal skull that
Blacks in Africa had NO universities, or even literacy, before the White
man introduced them?  Why are you negrophiles clinging so obstinately to
your groundless assertions?

Les


--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
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aloysius (cmlewis@usc.edu) writes:
>> 
>> Now, we come to the crux of the matter.  It's revealing how Blacks ALWAYS
>> come back to dope and guns.
> 
>    two things that we did not invent by the way, but are, unfortuanately,
> more than happy to use.  and, how about those crazy irish dudes, "House of
> Pain"... always smokin' spliffs and buckin' fools...
> 
>    rap music sure is popular these days.
> 
>    (address the real issues her, mr. griswold; side comments are annoying.)

The real issues are, that Blacks are attracted to dope and guns like moths
to a light.  Also gangsta rap.

Les


--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Sep 21 13:07:39 PDT 1995
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Anonymous IU Student (student@indiana.edu) writes:

(snip)

> Lester, your vain efforts at making logical pontifications should
> encourage you to be quiet more often. You, as well as all other informed
> people oh these ngs, know that your 19th century ancestors were very 
> naked about their racism. There was no northern egalitariansim. Whites
> did not utter "I'm no racist, but..." behind closed doors. They were
> very explicit in their barbarism. 

Yes, they were.  Whatever happened to us, that we`re afraid to tell
non-Whites what we think of them?

> This foolish idea of yours that your ancestors were kind, civilized and
> fair people is some of the most blatant affronts at truth.

I don`t have such ideas.  FOR THE MOST PART, they were kind, civilized,
and fair.  However, I strongly dispute the whiny, bitchy wailing that
endlessly emits from Black "nationalists" (BWAHAHAHA!!!) like you.

>>Hey, give up on the rap-crap sigs:  they're really stupid.
> 
> Only if you give up on your 'non-racist' nazi sigs.

I`ve never denied that they`re racist.  They also happen to be true.  I
know that people like you have a problem with the truth, but there ya go.

Les


--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Sep 21 13:07:39 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Negro fantasies! (was: A Simple Experiment)
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Anonymous IU Student (student@indiana.edu) writes:

(snip)

> "How much bass could a cave boy kick, if a cave boy could kick a bass?
> He might funk around with a bass he could'nt funk with and might get
> decked in the face."
> -X-Clan

Need I say more?

Les


--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


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Slimy Lizard (lzaird@io.org) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>>Garter Snake (---) writes:
>>> Les, for the sake of argument, lets assume you are right. The blacks are
>>> pulling the whites down. You have a cup of cold water, and a cup of hot
>>> water. Mix the two together and what do you get? Warm water. So lets say
>>> that by mixing, blacks and whites will create a race with average IQ of
>>> (85+100)/2 = 92.5.
>>You may want to breed down, but don't assume that everyone shares your joy
>>at the prospect of dumbing-down our descendants.
> 
> No, sounds like you want to dumb-up.  Remember that little thread on
> in-breeding?  

You can`t "dumb-up".  Really, Lizard, that`s so pathetic that I can`t
believe the other libs aren`t gonna jump down your throat for saying it.

>>>Now let others do so.
>>I'm perfectly happy to do so - provided that their advancement doesn't
>>hinder OUR advancement.
> 
> How's that?  I'd love to hear it.

I don`t claim to know, or care, how non-Whites advance and stay out of our
way.  All I`m saying is, I don`t get my jollies interfering with them
PROVIDED THAT they stay the hell out of our way.

>>> Time will go by regardless of our
>>> actions. The planet has more than enough time to let anything evolve into
>>> radically different types. So give others the benefit of the doubt.
>>> Besides Les, Europeans had to go through many bloody centuries as
>>> civilizations strived against one another and perfected their
>>> technologies. Now blacks and others have access to modern civilization and
>>> they can adapt to modern stresses but without the bloody wars and
>>> destruction.
>>(snicker)  I can't BELIEVE that you're saying that!  Try looking at
>>sub-Saharan Africa, which is wracked by one "civil" war after another,
>>when they aren't dealing with famines and/or droughts.
> 
> Bosnia's the big one we hear about today Les.  Seems that Europe's in
> a constant state of war either way you look at it.  And while we're on
> the subject, what about the cold-war?  How civilized.  Two world
> powers pointing earth-destroying weapons at each other, each building
> more and more, just in case they need to wipe the earth's core out as
> well.  

Do we hear of Bosnians or Croatians having cholera epidemics because they
dumped corpses in their drinking water?  Do we hear of any Europeans
stripping the land they seek refuge on, and then sticking around waiting
for the U.N. to bail them out?

Les


--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Sep 21 13:07:41 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Slimy Lizard (lzaird@io.org) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>Lester Toews (mct394@freenet.mb.ca) writes:
>>(snip)
>>> We are descendants of an African Eve so why bother?
>>*sigh*  I hate having to explain over and over, but with retards, there's
>>little option...
>>We're also all descendants of ameobae, so why aren't we doing anything to
>>promote the rights of unicellular creatures?
> 
> White rabbit, brown rabbit Les.  Same freakin' hare, different color.

Uh, we`re not talking about rabbits, dildo, we`re talking about erect
humanoids.

Les
> 


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He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Sep 21 13:10:24 PDT 1995
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Subject: A question for you liberals... are you guys barnacles?
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Cobra (---) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
 
>> Anyway, if
>> all the geniuses of the ancient world were Black, why are Blacks today
>> such a backwards people? 
> 
> Can you be more specific? Are we talking about blacks in the U.S. or
> blacks in Africa or the whole group?

Take your pick.  No matter WHAT group of Negroes you choose, a group of
Whites that comes from a similar "socioeconomic" background will do much,
much better.

> I'll assume you refer to those in Africa. The reason they are backwards is
> because most of their trade is in basic raw resources and commodities.

Yeah, yeah, sure.  WHY can't they parlay their "basic raw resources and
commodities" into betterment?  How many "basic raw resources and
commodities" does Iceland have, and yet you don't see THEM with their hand
out all the time (or EVER, for that matter).  Face it:  Blacks need
CONSTANT supervision from Whites, or else they'd go extinct in a few short
years.

> They can't just build new industries to compete with the already developed
> world. It's going to take several stages of adjustment and growth.

But if Africa is the "cradle of civilization", shouldn't they have the
jump on us colonials?

> Meanwhile their high growth rates outpace the small increases they make in
> the industrial sector. Simply stated, they are creating too many poor
> uneducated youths who can't be absorbed by the industrial sector. Not to
> mention that modern industries use machinery more than people, and
> adopting advanced technology may actually cost them jobs. 

And it is OUR fault that they refuse to practice birth control?
 
>>  Why isn't the Black race leading the way, rather
>> than barely subsisting, as they are now?
> 
> Do you really want to hear the answer? Go stop by at your local college
> and have a nice friendly chat with an economics professor or even a grad
> student. It's their job to study such things. I don't have a BS or Ph.D.
> in economics. It was my minor. So if you want in depth analysis, go talk
> to those who are really qualified to tell you.

Stevie, Stevie, Stevie...

What will it take to make it sink through your thick liberal skull that
Blacks in Africa had NO universities, or even literacy, before the White
man introduced them?  Why are you negrophiles clinging so obstinately to
your groundless assertions?

Les


--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
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aloysius (cmlewis@usc.edu) writes:
>> 
>> Now, we come to the crux of the matter.  It's revealing how Blacks ALWAYS
>> come back to dope and guns.
> 
>    two things that we did not invent by the way, but are, unfortuanately,
> more than happy to use.  and, how about those crazy irish dudes, "House of
> Pain"... always smokin' spliffs and buckin' fools...
> 
>    rap music sure is popular these days.
> 
>    (address the real issues her, mr. griswold; side comments are annoying.)

The real issues are, that Blacks are attracted to dope and guns like moths
to a light.  Also gangsta rap.

Les


--
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brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Sep 21 13:10:25 PDT 1995
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aloysius (cmlewis@usc.edu) writes:
>> 
>> I take it you're using "Canadian company" to mean "a WHITE company". 
>> You're a real hoot, Side-Winder:  are you REALLY going out on a limb and
>> hoping to darken the reputations of ALL Whites (and thereby imply that all
>> Blacks are angels) by recounting the naughtiness of ONE company? 
>> Strangely, you're silent on the fact that there wouldn't have even BEEN a
>> "Canadian comopany" in Africa without the White man's genius.
>> 
>> Like I said, White superiority is so self-evident, only a fool or a
>> miscreant would argue otherwise.  So which are you?
> 
>    regarding the grouping of a "Canadian company" to mean "a WHITE
> company"--and therefore, ALL WHITE; you have repeatedly and deliberately
> grouped me with "blacks" and "africans" and therefore ALL Blacks, mr.
> griswold.  i see now (as i did then, to be quite honest) that this was
> merely a slideways manner for you to avoid answering the original matter
> which was:
> 
>    why "black art" is so popular in modern american (and global) society? 
> and why corporations continue to utilize the "black" creative intellect,
> and then to decry them as the downfall of the "great" american society?

Simple:  the American society is decaying, thanks in no small part to the
presence of a violent, crime-prone minority (that's you guys), not to
mention the jews in our midst, but that's another story.  Animalistic
expressions are ALWAYS popular in decaying empires (note that the
gladiatorial games in the Roman Empire were a way of keeping the masses
amused so that they wouldn't spend their time thinking about what a lousy
life they otherwise had.  Sorta like T.V. and stuff today.)

>    their hipocrisy, like yours, is preposterous and, moreover, self-destructive.

How am I a hypocrite?
   
>    as for the "white" man's (not "and woman's", i assume) genius, i have
> seen only the expoitation of every other culture's, as well as the
> planet's, resources for personal gain, regardless of the ensuing, and very
> "self-evident" result...

so what does this say about the "noble Black race" that LET itself be
exploited all this time?  If us White guys were and are so bad, why did it
take you Blacks so many centuries to clue in?

Les


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Anonymous IU Student (student@indiana.edu) writes:

(snip)

> Lester, your vain efforts at making logical pontifications should
> encourage you to be quiet more often. You, as well as all other informed
> people oh these ngs, know that your 19th century ancestors were very 
> naked about their racism. There was no northern egalitariansim. Whites
> did not utter "I'm no racist, but..." behind closed doors. They were
> very explicit in their barbarism. 

Yes, they were.  Whatever happened to us, that we`re afraid to tell
non-Whites what we think of them?

> This foolish idea of yours that your ancestors were kind, civilized and
> fair people is some of the most blatant affronts at truth.

I don`t have such ideas.  FOR THE MOST PART, they were kind, civilized,
and fair.  However, I strongly dispute the whiny, bitchy wailing that
endlessly emits from Black "nationalists" (BWAHAHAHA!!!) like you.

>>Hey, give up on the rap-crap sigs:  they're really stupid.
> 
> Only if you give up on your 'non-racist' nazi sigs.

I`ve never denied that they`re racist.  They also happen to be true.  I
know that people like you have a problem with the truth, but there ya go.

Les


--
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		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Negro fantasies! (was: A Simple Experiment)
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Anonymous IU Student (student@indiana.edu) writes:

(snip)

> "How much bass could a cave boy kick, if a cave boy could kick a bass?
> He might funk around with a bass he could'nt funk with and might get
> decked in the face."
> -X-Clan

Need I say more?

Les


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aloysius (cmlewis@usc.edu) writes:
>> 
>> No, why don't we stick with the Blacks, like you're so hot to do, and
>> listen as you list all of their great literary achievements (sounds of
>> crickets chirping to an empty field).
> 
>    because you find it very convenient to avoid us.  you (and slyvie, and
> salty) have yet to answer my questions regarding the spread of young,
> black, american art and culture throughout america and the world at
> large.  i have placed this question to each of you directly at many a
> different interval, yet none of you has, as of yet, addressed it in this
> (very public) forum. 

Like HELL we've avoided it.  The reality is that you, like a typical
Black, have just ignored anything that doesn't mesh with your rather loopy
idea of how things should be.  But, in a nutshell:

How much "Black art" would we be "enjoying" today if we Whites hadn't
colonized Africa, and dragged your sorry asses out of the trees and TAUGHT
you how to write, and to paint and do art beyond the "sculpt animal dung
into checkers".

>    instead you have complained, insulted, and spouted inane and cliche
> stereotypical arguments.

And TRUE.  Don't forget that.

Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Sep 21 13:10:29 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: And they say they're afraid of WHITE violence...
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aloysius (cmlewis@usc.edu) writes:
>>         A mob of 20 youths barricaded the carload of Caucasians with trash
>> cans, then opened fire as the drive frantically tried to escape. 
>> Stephanie was hit in the head as she lay in her mother's arms in the back
>> seat.
> 
>    this is EXACTLY the kind of shit that i am trying to prevent here,
> people.  don't you ignorant supremacist fools see what is happenning to
> this country?  you spend your whole fucking time arguing with me over
> "black" inventions and "black" civilizations, and in the meantime, another
> (white) family is destroyed by a group of (hispanic) youths because you
> backwards-assed idiots are to ignorant to stop the rhetorical bullshit and
> address the real issues.

Yes, and you're really spending your every free minute preaching agianst
Hispanic gangs, instead of coming here and mouthing off about us.
 
>    i don't give a FUCK who it is shooting at people.  i don't give a FUCK
> what race they are or what religion they are, or what their sexual
> preference is.  what matters is that this shit happens far too often in
> modern america, and it happens because peopple like you and me can't seem
> to find common fucking ground.

I DO give a fuck.  If it's always the same TYPE of people shooting at
other people, maybe that should tell us something?  No, of course you One
Worlder assholes would rather play mix n' match with the earth's many
races, and too bad if some people have to get killed in the shuffle.
 
>    well, les?  any ideas as to why this shit happened?  any ideas as to
> why this child lost her life in yet another showing of the decline of
> american morality?  and why every day thousands of children worldwide die
> as well, the victims of nature's whim?

PLENTY of ideas as to why this "shit" happened.  Why do you think I
entitled the post "And they say they're afraid of WHITE violence"?  It
happened because some stupid Hispanics were 1) allowed out of their
garbage-dump of a country, and 2) were allowed to pretend the California
was "their" territory, when it wasn't.

>    fuck you.  if you can do something about it, then do.

Likewise.
 
>    if you just want to use this sad tragedy (one in a long list of many
> others of all colors and backgrounds) to promote your racist agenda, then
> you need your fucking head examined.

Ally, name me ONE incident where a White gang trapped a carload of
non-Whites and shot them.  ONE.

Les


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evil Beavis (stefan@scott.net) writes:
>>   Ronald Schoedel  writes:
> 
>>  Tell me, Mr. Bubblicious, is the rise in crime since desegregation 
>>  just a coincidence???  Or the fact that White civilization has gotten 
>>  along very well for thousands of years with relatively crime-free 
>>  societies?  Until we get this noble idea of equality....
> 
> 
> Well, Mr. dog fuck, what about 19th century London, Hitler's Germany??
> You are the vilest piece of shit around...

Hey!  I'M the vilest piece of shit around!  There's even a string
attesting to that, so don't go arbitrarily stripping me of my title and
awarding it to someone else!

Les

(how would one bribe such a judge, anyway?  Offer him one's feet?)


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evil Beavis (stefan@scott.net) writes:
>>   bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Sylvie Charbonneau) writes:
> 
>>  > : Oh, gimme a break Lizard.  Are you trying to tell me that there are just
>>  > : as many White girls getting pregnant as there are black girls? Please,
>>  > : even you can't be so deluded.
> 
> Well, white girls have more abortions...

1)  As an absolute number, or as a percentage?

2)  How are you defining "white"?  Anything that's not Black?

3)  At least White mothers don't go leaving their babies in the trash, and
then claim that they were "going for help" when they're caught.

Les


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brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
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Slimy Lizard (lzaird@io.org) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>>Garter Snake (---) writes:
>>> Les, for the sake of argument, lets assume you are right. The blacks are
>>> pulling the whites down. You have a cup of cold water, and a cup of hot
>>> water. Mix the two together and what do you get? Warm water. So lets say
>>> that by mixing, blacks and whites will create a race with average IQ of
>>> (85+100)/2 = 92.5.
>>You may want to breed down, but don't assume that everyone shares your joy
>>at the prospect of dumbing-down our descendants.
> 
> No, sounds like you want to dumb-up.  Remember that little thread on
> in-breeding?  

You can`t "dumb-up".  Really, Lizard, that`s so pathetic that I can`t
believe the other libs aren`t gonna jump down your throat for saying it.

>>>Now let others do so.
>>I'm perfectly happy to do so - provided that their advancement doesn't
>>hinder OUR advancement.
> 
> How's that?  I'd love to hear it.

I don`t claim to know, or care, how non-Whites advance and stay out of our
way.  All I`m saying is, I don`t get my jollies interfering with them
PROVIDED THAT they stay the hell out of our way.

>>> Time will go by regardless of our
>>> actions. The planet has more than enough time to let anything evolve into
>>> radically different types. So give others the benefit of the doubt.
>>> Besides Les, Europeans had to go through many bloody centuries as
>>> civilizations strived against one another and perfected their
>>> technologies. Now blacks and others have access to modern civilization and
>>> they can adapt to modern stresses but without the bloody wars and
>>> destruction.
>>(snicker)  I can't BELIEVE that you're saying that!  Try looking at
>>sub-Saharan Africa, which is wracked by one "civil" war after another,
>>when they aren't dealing with famines and/or droughts.
> 
> Bosnia's the big one we hear about today Les.  Seems that Europe's in
> a constant state of war either way you look at it.  And while we're on
> the subject, what about the cold-war?  How civilized.  Two world
> powers pointing earth-destroying weapons at each other, each building
> more and more, just in case they need to wipe the earth's core out as
> well.  

Do we hear of Bosnians or Croatians having cholera epidemics because they
dumped corpses in their drinking water?  Do we hear of any Europeans
stripping the land they seek refuge on, and then sticking around waiting
for the U.N. to bail them out?

Les


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Slimy Lizard (lzaird@io.org) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>Lester Toews (mct394@freenet.mb.ca) writes:
>>(snip)
>>> We are descendants of an African Eve so why bother?
>>*sigh*  I hate having to explain over and over, but with retards, there's
>>little option...
>>We're also all descendants of ameobae, so why aren't we doing anything to
>>promote the rights of unicellular creatures?
> 
> White rabbit, brown rabbit Les.  Same freakin' hare, different color.

Uh, we`re not talking about rabbits, dildo, we`re talking about erect
humanoids.

Les
> 


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Slimy Lizard (lzaird@io.org) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
 
(snip)

> Literacy (english) wasn't as far-spread as it is today.  You saying
> that African society (of which you know nothing about) was illeterate
> because they all couldn't speak English islike saying that back then
> they were savage because they diddn't have cars!  So once again, by
> your reasoning, Europe was just as savage as any African country...I'm
> happy to go with that, considering what the dark-ages were like. 

Europe got out of its Dark Ages, WITHOUT the U.N. to haul its chestnuts
out of the fire.  Africa, even WITH the U.N.`s extravagent help, can`t get
things right.  Why is that?

(snip - S.L. wanting to divert the conversation away from illiterate
Blacks, and reflect upon literate Middle Easterners)

>>No, why don't we stick with the Blacks, like you're so hot to do, and
>>listen as you list all of their great literary achievements (sounds of
>>crickets chirping to an empty field).
> 
> I don't know many, as you don't know many, but it isn't for the lack
> of them.  It's because I wasn't taught anything more than what was
> happening in Europe at any time, any place.  I know NOTHING about
> world history, comming out of High School.

So get off your lazy ass and start studying.  It`s not like there are no
books being written about recent discoveries about atechnically-advanced
Blacks.

> Why aren't you down on Asia Les?

I am, and what`s that got to do with anything, anyway?  We`re talking
about BLACKS and AFRICA.  I realize that the only way you can bolster your
position is to search frantically for intelligent non-Whites SOMEWHERE,
but try to stick with the issue you want to defend.

Les


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aloysius (cmlewis@usc.edu) writes:
> !  Start scrolling off those
>> black inventions now!!!
>> 
> 
>    good basketball, football, and track skills.

Oh, bullshit.  Basketball was invented by Dr. James Naismith in 1895. 
That seven-foot tall African freaks can dangle from the hoops now after
slamming the ball doesn't mean a thing.  The same goes for baseball and
football, which are now just demonstrations of animal aggression (well,
football, anyway), as opposed to contests of SKILL.

As for track skills, I seem to recall something about the Ancient Greeks
having the Olympics... a bunch of Negroes running around a track doesn't
prove anything, except that they can do marginally well at something
created by WHITE civilization.

>    good music.

Like gangsta rap?  Sheesh, where's Adamski when you need him?
 
>    good sex.

BWAHAHAHAHA!!!
 
>    good ass-kickings.

More Negro dreams!
 
>    what the hell do inventions have to do with anything?

Well, they sure seem to mean a lot when negrophiles start getting all
starry-eyed about G.W. Carver and Dr. Charles Drew.  Strangely, they don't
mean too much when they can't be used to bolster claims of Black ability.

> greek and roman
> societies didn't have half the shit that we have now, but had twice the
> culture.  and as for ancient africans, who knows just how intricate their
> cultures were?  you can't even rightfully say what ancient africans did
> because your own history books are so biased that they present the FACTS
> in an unobjective manner.

One question about these supposed African cultures:  why were they so
COMPLETELY erased from knowledge?  Were they THAT inferior, that they
couldn't leave ANYTHING to posterity?  Are we really losing anything by
not having anything from these loser cultures?
 
>    for some strange reason people seem to equate material things with
> "success."  how long will it take for you to truly understand that all of
> this, the chair you sit upon, the keyboard upon which you type, the body
> through which you correspond with others, is only so much refined dirt?

Strangely, Africans never refined any of the "dirt" that you go on about. 
Sitting on logs until they have a smooth spot is not refining them.

>    fuck it, gotta go to class again.  working on inventing a cure for the
> virus of ignorance and intolerance.

Try it on yourself.

> unfortunately, i don't think that
> we'll be able to utilize it, as the intended audience, thus far, doesn't
> seem to be reacting very well to it's daily injections.

Like most "Black" inventions, it doesn't work.

Les


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Anonymous IU Student (student@indiana.edu) writes:

(snip)

> Lester, your vain efforts at making logical pontifications should
> encourage you to be quiet more often. You, as well as all other informed
> people oh these ngs, know that your 19th century ancestors were very 
> naked about their racism. There was no northern egalitariansim. Whites
> did not utter "I'm no racist, but..." behind closed doors. They were
> very explicit in their barbarism. 

Yes, they were.  Whatever happened to us, that we`re afraid to tell
non-Whites what we think of them?

> This foolish idea of yours that your ancestors were kind, civilized and
> fair people is some of the most blatant affronts at truth.

I don`t have such ideas.  FOR THE MOST PART, they were kind, civilized,
and fair.  However, I strongly dispute the whiny, bitchy wailing that
endlessly emits from Black "nationalists" (BWAHAHAHA!!!) like you.

>>Hey, give up on the rap-crap sigs:  they're really stupid.
> 
> Only if you give up on your 'non-racist' nazi sigs.

I`ve never denied that they`re racist.  They also happen to be true.  I
know that people like you have a problem with the truth, but there ya go.

Les


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Anonymous IU Student (student@indiana.edu) writes:

(snip)

> "How much bass could a cave boy kick, if a cave boy could kick a bass?
> He might funk around with a bass he could'nt funk with and might get
> decked in the face."
> -X-Clan

Need I say more?

Les


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Anonymous IU Student (student@indiana.edu) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:

(snip)

>>You mean, like the Black Nationalists?  Liberia didn't even exist until
>>1835 (I think, but I know it wasn't in existence until the AMERICANS set
>>it up) and it quickly became a slavocracy, where the former slaves from
>>the United States promptly enslaved the formerly free indigenous Blacks.

> (Les attempts in vain to appear knowledgeable about some history other
> than that of euros.)
> Well, Lester, I see that you could only identify one of the many peoples
> to try to explain away. Actually, Liberia was founded in 1847 by
> freed Africans from the US with the help of the American Colonization
> Society, a racist orgnaization that did not want black people in North
> America.  Those who went were not black nationalists. Nationalists,
> rightfully so, refused to work under the auspices of racists.
> Martin Delany and other nationalists made attempts to emigrate to what
> became Nigeria. The Vai are an indigenous ethnic group in Liberia.

So?  Whites want the Blacks around, it's because they're racist.  They try
to help the Blacks set up their own country, it's because they're racist. 
Boy, you sure seem to like slinging that word around.

> "I am an African, I don't wear Greek/
> Must I be reminded of a legendary thief?"
> -X-Clan

Hey, give up on the rap-crap sigs:  they're really stupid.

Les


--
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brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Sep 22 03:01:53 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Equality revisited, a new angle
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Leave it to evil Beaver (stefan@scott.net) writes:
>>   cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry) writes:
> 
>>  I'm sure there are other reasons.  Any addition to my new theory on
>>  "Negroes are more intelligent than liberals" would be most appreciated.
> 
> Here's one: most blacks and liberals are more intelligent than you are.

... and like a true liberal, you dodge the issue completely, and use the
situation to deliver what you THINK is a witty retort.  But sadly, I have
to tell you in all honesty that my three-year-old son is wittier than that
(and he doesn't wanna suck toes.)

Les


--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Sep 22 03:01:54 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: A few questions for liberals...
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evil Beavis (stefan@scott.net) writes:
>>   bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
> 
>>  Just a few questions.  I mean, you libs are so smart, you should be able
>>  to crank out answers in no time, and with no effort.
>>  
>>  1)  Whites cannot be proud of the ACCOMPLISHMENTS of their 
>>  ancestors, but they are required to be ASHAMED of the alleged crimes of
>>  their ancestors.  Why is this?
> 
> No Les, whites CAN indeed be proud of our ancestors accomplishments, but 
> there is no need to villify the accomplishments of others either. It is also wise 
> to know the crimes of ones ancestors as well.

We don't "villify" the accomplishments of others; we just deny stupid-ass
claims to Black 'Gyptians and the like.
  
>>  3)  Ancient Egyptians had institutionalized slavery.  So, were they still
>>  Black?
> 
> Sure, black on black slavery has been common just as white on white slavery. 
> The Vikings made slaves, often for sacrificial purposes, out of Saxons, 
> Germanic peoples etc. All of it is well documented in any history book Les.

Telling, though, that you use an example of White-on-White slavery.  You
might also want to add that ONLY Whites VOLUNTARILY gave up slavery. 
It's STILL alive and flourishing in Africa.
   
>>  4)  Open political debate and dissension is allowed (for now) in White,
>>  Western countries.  How is dissent handled in non-White countries? (hint: 
>>  the answer is NOT "with kid gloves.) [fringe behaviour is also tolerated
>>  in White Western countries like it is NOT in non-White, non-Western
>>  countries, ie faggotry and feminism.]
> 
> Political dissent has been violated all over the world by most nations. Both 
> black and white. How about Jim Crow laws in the South, Apartheid in South 
> Africa? It is not excusable by any kind of people.

I never denied that there were never unjust laws in White countries. 
However, ONLY in White countries has there been a peaceful evolution in
the way dissent is dealt with.

BTW, still suckin' them toes?

Les


--
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brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Sep 22 11:43:27 PDT 1995
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Anonymous IU Student (student@indiana.edu) writes:

(snip)

> Lester, your vain efforts at making logical pontifications should
> encourage you to be quiet more often. You, as well as all other informed
> people oh these ngs, know that your 19th century ancestors were very 
> naked about their racism. There was no northern egalitariansim. Whites
> did not utter "I'm no racist, but..." behind closed doors. They were
> very explicit in their barbarism. 

Yes, they were.  Whatever happened to us, that we`re afraid to tell
non-Whites what we think of them?

> This foolish idea of yours that your ancestors were kind, civilized and
> fair people is some of the most blatant affronts at truth.

I don`t have such ideas.  FOR THE MOST PART, they were kind, civilized,
and fair.  However, I strongly dispute the whiny, bitchy wailing that
endlessly emits from Black "nationalists" (BWAHAHAHA!!!) like you.

>>Hey, give up on the rap-crap sigs:  they're really stupid.
> 
> Only if you give up on your 'non-racist' nazi sigs.

I`ve never denied that they`re racist.  They also happen to be true.  I
know that people like you have a problem with the truth, but there ya go.

Les


--
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		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


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Anonymous IU Student (student@indiana.edu) writes:

(snip)

> "How much bass could a cave boy kick, if a cave boy could kick a bass?
> He might funk around with a bass he could'nt funk with and might get
> decked in the face."
> -X-Clan

Need I say more?

Les


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Anonymous IU Student (student@indiana.edu) writes:

(snip)

> Lester, your vain efforts at making logical pontifications should
> encourage you to be quiet more often. You, as well as all other informed
> people oh these ngs, know that your 19th century ancestors were very 
> naked about their racism. There was no northern egalitariansim. Whites
> did not utter "I'm no racist, but..." behind closed doors. They were
> very explicit in their barbarism. 

Yes, they were.  Whatever happened to us, that we`re afraid to tell
non-Whites what we think of them?

> This foolish idea of yours that your ancestors were kind, civilized and
> fair people is some of the most blatant affronts at truth.

I don`t have such ideas.  FOR THE MOST PART, they were kind, civilized,
and fair.  However, I strongly dispute the whiny, bitchy wailing that
endlessly emits from Black "nationalists" (BWAHAHAHA!!!) like you.

>>Hey, give up on the rap-crap sigs:  they're really stupid.
> 
> Only if you give up on your 'non-racist' nazi sigs.

I`ve never denied that they`re racist.  They also happen to be true.  I
know that people like you have a problem with the truth, but there ya go.

Les


--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


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Anonymous IU Student (student@indiana.edu) writes:

(snip)

> "How much bass could a cave boy kick, if a cave boy could kick a bass?
> He might funk around with a bass he could'nt funk with and might get
> decked in the face."
> -X-Clan

Need I say more?

Les


--
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		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Sep 22 17:34:39 PDT 1995
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Anonymous IU Student (student@indiana.edu) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:

(snip)
 
> Lester, You have never heard me say that Africa was Edenic. In fact,
> you have seen me post numerous book titles on Africa, so ignorant people
> like yourself can aquire something other than the white history you were
> taught in high school.

You really bring out the choleric in me, you know that?

We only read about White history in high school, because negro delusions
of grandeur were NOT on the required reading list.

> In these books you will read about slavery and the rise and fall of empires. 
> And the nature of an empire is to expand and subjugate other people. Songhai 
> was the size of all of western europe; to think that it was free of 
> oppression is foolish.

But I thought you blacks were so morally superior.  All of a sudden, we can't
hold you to any higher standard than we hold ourselves?

> The agreement among historians, however, is that slavery in Africa was not
> nearly as rapacious and beastial as that in the West. Freed people
> could attain virtually any level of status. Too, they were not
> dehumanized, or made victims of incredible holocausts of genocidal
> proportions like your wicked ancestors did to every race they 
> encountered.

And ONLY my "wicked ancestors" are the ones who are counted as bad guys. 
Tell me, when are YOU going to make reparations for all the slave revolts,
boy, and all the White women and children that were killed in them by
rampaging blacks?

Les


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"Hi, we be yo' new neighbours!"

Les

--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
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"Foreign aid is poor people in rich countries giving money to rich people
in poor countries."

Les

--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


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Subject: Re: Black inventions (was: N*GG*R)
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Abdou Kama (akama@ucla.edu) writes:

(snip)

>  There is no such thing as a black or white invention.

One of the loopier assertions made by negroes, usually appears shortly
after they get their asses whomped in the inventions debate.  Gawd, you
guys are predictable.

> Inventions are born from others that preceded them. Greek inventions were
> made possible by Black egyptian mathematics, medecine etc..  Let me ask you 
> a quick question? If your kid necessitated surgery would you let him die 
> because the first open-heart surgery was performed by a black man.

Of course not.  But show me a black open-heart surgeon in the first place,
Abba.

> Or are you going to give up guns and go back to spears because gun powder was 
> invented by the chinese? 

Going by that "logic", about the only thing I'd have to give up because
the chinks invented gunpowder is firecrackers.  They may have found that
pig-shit explodes when properly prepared, but they did NOT invent guns.

Les



--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
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Abdou Kama (akama@ucla.edu) writes:

(snip)

> Don't you think that if slavery was flourishing in africa the white media 
> would be all over it?

I suppose they would be, if there WAS a White media.  Don't you know anything?

> What you gotta understand is that slavery is a very generic term.

So your point is...?  Some kinds of slavery are not as bad as other kinds?
 Some kinds of slavery are actually DEFENSIBLE?

> There was never a need to abolish slavery in africa because the so-called
> slavery was nothing but a extension of kinship relationships. Slaves were 
> war prisoners and sometimes their descendents who chose to live in serfdom
> instead of being executed.

Oh, horse-balls.  The ONLY ones who had any say in the matter of whether
prisoners were to be put to death or made into slaves were the victorious
tribes.  Gimme a break on this "voluntary slave" shit.

> African slavery was closer to european serfdom than to the hellish plantation
> system that existed in the European colonies and later in the states.

Isn't serfdom one of the things that libs sneer about as an example of the
European backwardness?

> How do I know that?

Simple.  You made it up.

> Well i have the privilledge of being African (as in "from Africa"). I 
> remember how our so-called slaves would come to my grandfather house, and 
> pledge their alledgance to our family. Some of these people were very 
> succesful but they would still recognize the bond that linked us to them.
> Now do you think if a black american knew your ancestors used to rape and 
> murder his, treating them worse than cattle he would come to your house for 
> any other reason than to beat your ass up? Please!  Educate your ignorant 
> swatstika-waving ass by reading Olaudah Equianoh autobiography.  This guy was 
> a slave who was enslaved and brought to the west indies and he talks about 
> African and American slavery.  (I bet you didn't know there was educated 
> blacks in those days uhh?)

And, uhm, WHO educated him?  His fellow blacks?  Is it written in Swahili
or English?  If English, why?

(snip)
 
> Well if you consider that most non-white nations have been in existence for less than a 50 years, your argument goes down the drain.=
> The French republic underwent a 100  years of terror between its foundation in 1789 and its final consolidation. Until 30 years ago=
> the southern part of this country dealt with black dissent by lynching and burning 

Uh, sorry to disillusion you, but Alabama tree parties were NOT widespread
until AFTER the War of Seccession, 1861-1865, when the victorious Northern
states were hell-bent on violating ALL of the customs of the South,
INCLUDING putting uppity former slaves in positions of power over their
former masters.  Guaranteed to breed resentment.  I'm surprised that you
have the guts to even MAKE such a specious claim.  (hangings of
slave-revolt leaders is NOT lynching, it's execution of criminals).

> ( not to mention the civil war born out of the dissentions between South and 
> North). If you examine (honestly) the history of the world you'll see that
> nation-building takes blood and tears no matter the geographical location. 
> "peaceful evolution"? you mean the french revolution was peaceful? Russia?
> The english revolts?

I never denied that Whites sometimes descend to violence to change things.
 Even ignoring for the moment the jewish presence in such revolutions,
it's pretty frustrating when one's rulers appear not to CARE about one's
fate.  But violence seems to be the NORM in black "cultures", whereas it's
the EXCEPTION in White societies.

> Democratic institutions existed in africa way before the invaders came over.

And Plato said that democracy was one of the lowest forms of government. 
The only thing worse, he said, was dictatorship.  Further, democracy is
one of the most PRIMITIVE forms of government, so it's not surprising that
you claim that Africans had it.

> It is when these institutions were destroyed and replaced by others that were 
> totally foreign to african culture that the whole thing ran amok. It will 
> take time for these institutions to adapt to their Non-white environment.  
> Hell, it took 100s of years and countless revolutions for them to evolve in 
> white countries in the first place!

And therein lies the difference.  They EVOLVED in White countries.  We had
no-one to show us.  Black coutries DO have someone to take them in hand
and show them, so what's their excuse for not getting it right the first time?

Les


--
He thinks it tame and spiritless to accumulate slowly by the sweat of his
brow what can be got quickly by the loss of a little blood.
		- Tacitus, _The Germania_, Chap. XIV


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Sep 23 10:43:54 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Murder Of White Child In LA NOT A Hate Crime???!!!
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Anton (Anton88@cris.com) writes:
> Yesterday live on CNN LA Police Chief Willie Williams was announcing the
> arrest of someone in the gang murder of the 4-year-old White girl.  When
> asked by a reporter whether this would be treated as a hate crime, he
> replied it would NOT.  Did anyone else see this?  I'm sure no newspaper
> will mention this inquiry and it will not be replayed on television.  Just
> think if an all-White gang attacked a Hispanic or Black family and killed
> a 4-year-old?  LA would be in flames again.

Something you gotta realize, Anton, is that it's open season on Whites. 
There's NO savagery that can be inflicted on Whites by non-whites that
would qualify as a "hate crime", since "hate crime" is just Newspeak for
"White existence".

My dream would be to see some liberal shit-head be charged with a "hate
crime" after legitimately defending him/herself from non-white violence. 
Oh, the cries of "I'm no racist!  No, siree!" that one would hear, and the
grovelling that one would see!

Les


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Kim Bergman (kbbergm@ibm.net) writes:
>> 
>> Uh, I didn't say that genocide against Whites couldn't be borne if they
>> constituted a MINORITY.  
>    No, you probably did not say that.  In fact, I haven't really heard you say anything
>    at all, nothing that really made any sense.  All I can gather is that that you feel 
>    very insecure because your mother beat you excessively and didn't breast feed you
>    long enough. 

So why are you replying to me?  Want some attention, Burgertime?
 
>> Funny how you guys will grab at anything to twist
>> a White Nationalist's argument.
> 
>   We twist nothing.  Your arguments arrive here pre-twisted.  The reason is you 
>   mistake proper sentence structure for logic.  You think that just because you can say
>   the words in grammatically correct sentences the thoughts embodied in the sentences
>   *must* be true.   

That's a new one:  being told that my sentences are grammatically correct!
 Usually, insignificant shits like you with nothing real to say harp on
and on and ON about spelling/grammatical errors.
 
>> > Worldwide, there are many more asians than any other race. And in many Asian
>> > countries, they are getting along fine without help from whites!
>> 
>> Yes, many Asian countries are doing just fine without the insane
>> multi-racialism that we're allowing to be shoved down our throats.
> 
> If you admit they are doing just fine then you admit they are people with normal
> intelligence and ability who apply themselves diligently.

I am admitting no such thing.  Even negroes sometimes get things right,
like when Robert Mugabe (hi, Ally-oop!) said that fags and dykes were
unnatural.  Doesn't mean I think he's of normal (or even semi-normal)
intelligence, or anything else.

> This contradicts the usual position your travelling clown show takes which is 
> that all the non-white races are brain dead sloths.

No, the Asians are pretty smart.  Also characterless scoundrels who grovel
and play obsequious when they're down, and lord it over others when
they're on top.

> Les, you really haven't thought this all through sufficiently. 

So, you're gonna tell me how to be a REAL racist, right?  This oughta be
good...

> Why don't you quit making a fool of yourself for now, finish kindergarten and come back
> later.  We'll let you recite that verse about the little girl who had a lamb and 
> pat you on the back and you'll feel good for finally having spoken 2 sentences in a
> row without contradicting yourself.

But just a minute ago, you were saying that my sentence structure was
pretty good.  Now, you're changing your mind?  Ah, these jews...

> Right now your rage over your mother taking you
> off her breast too soon is making you say some really stupid things.

If I wanted to hear from a jewish shrink, I'd call Dr. Laura Schlessinger.
 
> Well then let me reiterate what so many others have said before .... the non-whites
> (whom you admitted above are capable of supporting themselves) are not the problem.
> That Jewish clap trap?  It's neither Jewish nor clap trap.  The Jews did not invent
> multi-racialism so it's not Jewish.

They didn't invent monotheism, either, yet they're claiming that one.

(snip)

> For Christ's sake Les, how stupid can you be?  You preach white supremacy which
> means you believe whites should have their will over all others.

Amazing, how you know so much about what we REALLY mean/want.  Are you
sure you're not in cahoots with Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski?
 
> Your travelling
> clown show group quotes Adolph "Girly Boy" Hitler, the "man" who defined
> genocide by turning 6 million innocent, useful people into dead people in record time.

No, the jews have that one, too.  Check out the Old Testament.

(snip)

> Les, I'm glad I'm not American, or Chinese or Mexican, etc.  BUT YOU MAKE ME SO
> EMBARASSED TO BE CANADIAN THAT I COULD PUKE!!!!!

Likewise.  But, you'll never be White, which is the driving animus of all
non-Whites.  Face it, you'd give just about anything (well, except that
time-share condo in Miami) to be White.

Les


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persons, only those who are equal.
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Andy Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:

(snip)

>   :> Teotihuacàn. Maccu Piccu. Chichen Itza. Latin America is dotted with
>   :> pyramids that predate Columbus.

(Raggedy's list of "great injun achievements", forgetting that we were
talking about NORTH American red-skins.)
 
>   :I remember the original message quite clearly, and the
>   :original poster was making grandiose claims about NORTH American indians,
>   :not the South and Central American types.
> 
> I missed the original post. Has I seen it, I would have mentioned the
> burial mounds at Etowah and the Rock Eagle monument (both in Georgia)
> instead. Not as impressive as the Mayan and Aztec pyramids, but nice work
> nonetheless.

Sure, sure.  You're so full of shit, you squeak.  "I missed the original
post."  But you just had to jump on in without knowing what was going on,
didn't you?

Les

--
It is thought that justice is equality, and so it is, but not for all
persons, only those who are equal.
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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Sep 23 11:19:51 PDT 1995
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aloysius (cmlewis@usc.edu) writes:

(snip)
 
>    hey, pretty lady, i never said you had to embrace anything.  i simply
> stated that you seem to be awfully anti-black for someone who has never
> been black herself.  you're judging men without having walked a day in
> their jockeys, so to speak.

No, she's judging negroes, not men.
 
>    regarding whether your children get shot (like Miss Kuhen's); i
> certainly hope not.  but i don't see how "white empowerment" is going to
> stop such random acts of violence from occurring.

I do, and it's so simple, even YOU should understand it.  When we come to
power and make it ILLEGAL for non-Whites to squat in our living
space...well, all I have to say is, there won't be any non-Whites shooting
at us, will there be?

> one could even go so
> far as to say that "white power" is the reason for said violence.

Please, explain that one.  I'd LOVE to see the "reasoning" behind it.

> the lack of "minority power" in america is a pretty infectious thing.

Stephanie Kuhen's hispanic killers certainly had enough power to blow her
away.

>    and how the hell can you make a valid comment on south central when yo
> live in cananda?

One does not have to go to a zoo to have a pretty good idea of how
gorillas act.

Les


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Raggedy (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:

(snip)

> You are also forgetting that non-whites are better armed--inner-city gangs
> aside, there are far more blacks and hispanics per capita in the armed
> forces, and vastly fewer white supremacists than "liberals" (i.e. all
> non-WPs).

An excellent argument for disarming all non-Whites immediately, and
allowing ALL Whites to carry guns, openly.  You really ARE weakening your
position IMMENSELY.  You should coordinate these sorts of B.S. arguments
with the other liberals.
 
> Okay. I'm having a bad day, so I'll sink to the macho posturing level just
> this once. Salty, when you decide to start shooting, make your first shot
> count. You will not get a second.

I'm sure he will, and doesn't need your invitation.
 
Les

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persons, only those who are equal.
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Subject: Re: Black inventions (was: N*GG*R)
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aloysius (cmlewis@usc.edu) writes:
> In article , bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Sylvie Charbonneau) wrote:

(snip)

>> We know a lot about Greek and Roman culture because it is very well
>> documented, and we also have the relics and ruins to prove their
>> existence.  Where are the black African relics and ruins?
> 
>    still in africa i hope.  i guess that they didn't feel this innate need
> to prove to themselves that they were a civilization by building temples
> and walled cities.

No, but modern-day negroes DO feel the need to claim anything on the
continent of Africa as theirs, because they need to prove to EVERYONE ELSE
that they used to be capable civilization-builders, and aren't just
Stepin-Fetchitt-types.  Unfortunately, the facts don't bear out their
fantasies.

> your whole argument smacks of one gigantic inferiority
> complex if you ask me...  ("my daddy makes more than your daddy!")

Coming from a black "nationalist", that's REALLY funny.
 
Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Sep 23 16:29:11 PDT 1995
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Stewart King (slking@scws32.harvard.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Bearscat (bcat@netcom.com) writes:
> 
> : > White girl pregnancy is on the rise at a faster rate than any other
> : > group.
> 
> : So is non-White immigration.  Gee, think there might be a co-relation 
> : there?
> 
> Uh, no.  The number of other people in the nation won't really have any 
> effect on the white teen pregnancy rate, seeing as none of them are white.

Yes, it will, seeing as they're bringing their hormones with them, and
some white girls foolishly find non-white males attractive.

Les


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Stewart King (slking@scws32.harvard.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Bearscat (bcat@netcom.com) writes:
> 
> : > White girl pregnancy is on the rise at a faster rate than any other
> : > group.
> 
> : So is non-White immigration.  Gee, think there might be a co-relation 
> : there?
> 
> Uh, no.  The number of other people in the nation won't really have any 
> effect on the white teen pregnancy rate, seeing as none of them are white.

Yes, it will, seeing as they're bringing their hormones with them, and
some white girls foolishly find non-white males attractive.

Les


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Ronald Schoedel (ChrIdent@cris.com) writes:
> jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu (Jeanne Kowalewski) wrote:
> 
>>You put the sheep reference back in so that you could lie to Joel
>>Rosenburg. No amount of bleating, braying or other farm animal denials
>>changes the fact that you flat-out lied. 
>>
>>[dumb assed sig sans sheep reference deleted]
>>
> 
> Oh yes, that's because my entire life revolves around what that whiny-
> ass loser kike thinks of my sig......ooooooooo-kay.  Sure thing, Crazy
> Jeannie.  
> 
>>BTW, Rev., congratulations for leading in the most favorite Jew wannabe
>>contest! Do you have your acceptance speech written yet?
>>
>>Jeanne K.
> 
> I'm beginning to think maybe we oughta vote you our favorite jewess.
> Even if you aren't really jewish, you should be.  You missed your call-
> ing, Crazy Jewish Jeannie.  Okay, anyone else wanna place their votes
> for FAVORITE JEWESS???  This will be by open, public ballot, so don't
> allow yourself to get too haughty when you see all the votes pour in,
> Jewish Jeannie.  WHo knows, if you win, maybe you could be the next
> lampshade to grace my living room?  I think we're running low on soap,
> too.  But for us, its nothing but the best...
> 
> Rev. Ron

I dunno, Rev. Ron.  Crazy Jeannie is too stupid to be a jew.  Whiny,
ignorant, shrewish, she's all those things and more, but there's no way
she could cut the grade, not even for a retarded jew.

Les


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Niggers United Against Racism
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Brendan J. F. Scallon (scallon@pyrotechnics.com) writes:

(snip)
 
> Then we would have to send all the whites back to Europe.  After all this
> is land of the Red man.  Why don't we all defect to our ancestors' lands?
> I'd be willing to defect to Ireland, at least it's less of a racist country
> than this Anglo society (it proves the theory, the Anglo is incompatible
> with democracy; he must rule repressively over his enslaved captives.  Ang-
> lo-Saxon democracy; what an oxymoron.  Ask the Irish, Native Americans,
> Africans, Indians, etc. who have had their lands taken away by the Anglo
> and other Germanic peoples.)

Screw you, queer.  It's whimps like you that give a bad name to White people.

As a matter of fact, I'm proud to claim some Irish ancestry.  I'm NOT
proud to know that you're Irish, too.
 
> So Les, unless you can claim Native American ancestry, you can not say
> that this is YOUR land.  That goes for you Ronny, Salty, Racial, etc.

No, there are no wagon-burners kicking around in my family tree, thank
goodness.  But if we go, we're gonna take EVERYTHING that we gave to those
ingrates, such as welfare, satellite dishes, pick-up trucks, etc.  Hell,
let's make it easy, and just take back EVERYTHING above Stone Age technology.

Les

--
It is thought that justice is equality, and so it is, but not for all
persons, only those who are equal.
		- Aristotle


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Sep 23 23:01:37 PDT 1995
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Brendan J. F. Scallon (scallon@pyrotechnics.com) writes:

(snip)
 
> For the last time, Blacks have 46 chromosomes, whites have 46 chromosomes,
> most white supremacists have 47 or 45 chromosomes (suggesting fucking a
> KKK bitch would be bestiality.)  Why don't those closet miscegenists ad-
> mit to picking the Black Barbie over the blond Barbie?  Wouldn't it feel
> good to get rid of that poisoned white skin from your posterity?  I mean
> my ancestors were originally dark skinned until the Vikings and Anglos
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> poisoned my skin color.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

You are so fucked in the head, it's not even funny.

Les


--
It is thought that justice is equality, and so it is, but not for all
persons, only those who are equal.
		- Aristotle


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Sep 24 00:02:31 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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David T. Hardy (dhardy@indirect.com) writes:
> In article <43me68$3b0@henry.netaxis.com>
> Donald Moffitt  writes:
> 
>> Remarkable discovery by Les Girswold, white-trash Neo-Nazi:
>> Adolf Hitler was tall, blond, blue-eyed and Nordic.  He heard
>> it from a guy who heard it from a guy, so it must be true
> 
> "Heinrich, did you see the look on those generals' faces when I told
> them to invade Russia in the winter? Hoo, Hoo. Best fun I've had since
> we torched the Reichstag!"

Remarkable discovery by David T. Hardy, all-around idiot:  the Nazis did
NOT launch Operation Barbarosa in JUNE 1942, but actually launched it in
the WINTER!

This is truly fascinating!

Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Sep 24 00:02:31 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: A few questions for the devils...
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Anonymous IU Student (student@indiana.edu) writes:

(snip)
 
> Anyway, a few questions:

(snip - not a question, just C.M.'s rant about "white power")
 
> Here are some stats on how white power is very real. It is
> an inveterate American tradition predating those immoral beasts g.l. 
> rockwell and j. b.stoner., past even your boy thomas jefferson. From the 
> shores of Jamestown right on up to your doorstep, it lives.
> 
> How do you explain your yelps for white power when:
> 
> The March 1995 findings of the bi-partisan committee on the 
> 'glass-ceiling':
> 
> White Power in income and earnings:
> 
> 97% of GNP white-controlled
> 95% of coroporate elite white males who are 39% of work force
> Whites of similar educational background out earn every one else.
> LA Times study of state's census records: Euros, Asians, Blacks, Latinos
> in that order are ranked from highest to lowest from high school drop
> out to Ph.D.  (Jan 11, 1993)
> 
> White Power in health:
> 
> 1993 UN study on standard of living: When ethnicity is isolated,
> white americans have the #1 highest standard on earth. Blacks and 
> Latinos are 31st and 35th respectively.

So it's OUR fault that blacks and latinos have low health standards? 
This, in the country(ies) where even poor people can afford to eat right,
get medical attention (even in the States), and enjoy the fruits of a
better lifestyle?

> The infant mortality rate for euro americans is half that of blacks. 

How is AfAm going to change basic biology?  Dying in childbirth, and dying
AT childbirth, is largely a function of trauma going through the birth
canal.  How is a larger AFDC cheque going to change that?

> Whites live longer and healthier lives that blacks.

Again, is that OUR fault?  I suspect that the violent lifestyles CHOSEN by
blacks and latinos may have something to do with that.

(snip - rest of C.M.'s message lost.  Too bad, too, it looked like a real
doozie)

Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Sep 24 07:49:40 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: A few questions for the devils...
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AReaves271 (areaves271@aol.com) writes:
> That was a lot of evidence!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> 
> Mr. Klugman,
> 
> I apologize for the mis-understanding.  I did not say you were a racist, I
> would never do that, I
> said that if you are white, then I "suspect" you as a racist. Which I do.
> I mean I cant prove that
> you are, or are not, but I do have  evidence that you could be a racist. 
> Hence, as a person who
> is  a "victim" of racism, I have  the authority to suspect anyone (white)
> until my I have identified
> all racists, or racism has ended.

No, you don't.  You don't have any such authority, you're just basking
(for now) in the special benefits you derive from being able to pass
judgements on others.  Meanwhile, you and other negroes can indulge in the
most outrageous anti-White racism, secure in the knowledge that you'll
never be called on it.

Les

--
It is thought that justice is equality, and so it is, but not for all
persons, only those who are equal.
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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Sep 24 07:49:42 PDT 1995
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Bearscat (bcat@netcom.com) writes:
> Rick Knight (bf221@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> 
> :    At the other site in the Midan valley Bedouin
> : witnesses guided the expedition to the site of
> : another mass-execution where Israeli troops
> : murdered 30 unarmed Egyptians.
> 
> so, what's this? jews 30, nazis 30 million?

Sorry, Bearscat, the 30 million score goes to Uncle Joe Stalin.  The Nazis
are commonly attributed with having greased 6 million jews, and 5 million
"others" (ie, non-jews), for a total of 11 million.

Les


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Stewart King (slking@scws33.harvard.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> 
> [me]
> : > Uh, no.  The number of other people in the nation won't really have any 
> : > effect on the white teen pregnancy rate, seeing as none of them are 
> : > white.
> 
> : Yes, it will, seeing as they're bringing their hormones with them, and
> : some white girls foolishly find non-white males attractive.
> 
> So you really think that a lot of suburban white chicks are going around 
> humping Haitian immigrants and Mexican field workers?

One's too many.

> Remember, according to you, all non-white immigrants are poor, unskilled, and
> a cancer on society

I never said that all non-white immigrants are poor and unskilled.  I
don't know where  you got that.  I HAVE maintained, and I still do, that
ALL non-white immigrants are UNDESIRABLE because of the threat they pose
to our genetic pool.

> - do you really think they're travelling in the same social circles?

I doubt it.  However, they ALL have the same motivation, ie hatred of
Whites as "oppressors" or "devils".  It really matters little what social
level they CAME from.

Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Sep 24 07:53:10 PDT 1995
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AReaves271 (areaves271@aol.com) writes:
> That was a lot of evidence!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> 
> Mr. Klugman,
> 
> I apologize for the mis-understanding.  I did not say you were a racist, I
> would never do that, I
> said that if you are white, then I "suspect" you as a racist. Which I do.
> I mean I cant prove that
> you are, or are not, but I do have  evidence that you could be a racist. 
> Hence, as a person who
> is  a "victim" of racism, I have  the authority to suspect anyone (white)
> until my I have identified
> all racists, or racism has ended.

No, you don't.  You don't have any such authority, you're just basking
(for now) in the special benefits you derive from being able to pass
judgements on others.  Meanwhile, you and other negroes can indulge in the
most outrageous anti-White racism, secure in the knowledge that you'll
never be called on it.

Les

--
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persons, only those who are equal.
		- Aristotle


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Sep 24 07:53:11 PDT 1995
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Abdou Kama (akama@ucla.edu) writes:
>>> What you gotta understand is that slavery is a very generic term.
>>
>>So your point is...?  Some kinds of slavery are not as bad as other kinds?
>> Some kinds of slavery are actually DEFENSIBLE?
>>
> Nope, I didn't say anything about the whether slavery is defensible or not but that the standard cracker argument:"..even africans h=
> ad slaves" is misleading. The difference between african serfdom and American SLAVERY is of the same magnitude than between holding =
> prisoners captive and torturing them.

Bullshit.  There was no such thing as "African serfdom", it was SLAVERY,
pure and simple.  And at least American slaves didn't have to worry about
ending up in the stew-pots of their owners, or of being sacrificied to
some snake-god or other.

> And i will defend african slavery anyday because in places where ressources 
> are very limited it is just not possible to put prisoners in camps and feed 
> them for the rest of their natural lives.  Making them work is a viable
> alternative to killing them. However it is another thing to capture and use 
> human beings as farm animals for the sake of greed and often your devilish 
> uncontrollable libido.

How about letting them go, afterwards?   Why aren't blacks agitating their
former (black) owners for "40 acres and a mule"?
    
> Gimme a break on this "voluntary slave" shit.
> 
> Either you're really stupid or you don't want to understand what i'm saying.
> I never said that people became serfs volontarily. It was just a custom for 
> the defeated to serve the victorious within the bounds of human decency (a 
> concept that was foreign to your ancestors)

B.S. again.  Geez, if this keeps up, we're gonna need a back-hoe in here.

You never said anything about serfs AT ALL.  What you said WAS, that
defeated blacks often chose to serve their conquerers.  I said you were
full of it, the choice wasn't theirs, it was the sole prerogative of the
victorious tribe.
  
>>And, uhm, WHO educated him?  His fellow blacks?  Is it written in Swahili
>>or English?  If English, why?
>>
>  wheter or not he was educated in english or in swahili is irrelevant.

No, it isn't.  If he wasn't educated in Swahili, one begins to suspect
it's because there was nothing in Swahili to teach him.

> What matters is that HE was a great writer and thinker and his superior 
> intelligence convinced the reasonable whites of that time that a black man
> could be more intelligent than your average cracker.

And as an intelligent black man, did he refer to Whites as crackers or
devils?  If not, why do you?  Are you admitting that you're not an
intelligent black?

> What are the biggest changes that occured in black nations in the last 50 
> years: African nations winning their independence right? well guess what, you
> ignorant cave dweller, this was done mostly without effusion of blood.(3
> cases out of 56) 

Bull.  In EVERY African "revolution for independence", Whites were/are
targets of negro violence.  The Belgian Congo, the former Rhodesia, South
Africa.  Know what the most dangerous city now is?   Johannesburg.

> In fact, this was what inspired Martin Luther King to start his non-violence
> campaign in the States because he realized that there was no way to gain
> freedom using the white man's favorite weapon:violence.

B.S. again.  MLK got his "idea" for his non-violence campaign from his
Communist/jewish handlers.  He als realized that if he DID resort to
violence, it would backfire in his stupid face.  The backlash against
"uppity niggers" would be such that his snivel riots movement would have
fizzled out PDQ.  Also, his "freedom marchers" would have gotten their
asses whipped big time by the police and government, who weren't as nearly
warmly disposed to them as one might think.

> It is more efficient to just put him in front of the contradictions of his
> devilish ways and provoke shame and guilt in his fragile personae.

No, just more pragmatic.  When one can't resort to violence, one has to
resort to NON-violence.
 
>>And therein lies the difference.  They EVOLVED in White countries.  We had
>>no-one to show us.  Black coutries DO have someone to take them in hand
>>and show them, so what's their excuse for not getting it right the first time?
> 
>   Our excuse: having taken 400 years of abuse from you imperialistic devils.

Why, in all that time, could you negroes not SUCCESSFULLY throw off the
gri pof us "imperialistic devils", but had to wait for us to do it
VOLUNTARILY?

> And furthemore your "Democratic ideals" were outlined 3 000 years ago by your
> young-boy-fucking ancestors: the Greeks.However, they came into realisation
> for the first time 200 years ago.

Find me ONE reference in the Declaration of Independence, or ANY document
written by the Founding Fathers of the U.S., that describes the U.S. as a
"democracy".

> Hey, if we do it in 500 years we'll still beat you. Furthermore, we don't just want to  copy-cat your darwinistic political systems =
> (God forbid!!).  We want political systems that will emcompass our natural african humanity, spirituality, and sense of justice.

Translation:  if we can't do it right, we'll excuse it by saying it's
"natural" to our "more spiritualistic" natures, and better than anything
Whites could come up with (along with plenty of "devil cave bitch"
references thrown in)

Les


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aloysius (cmlewis@usc.edu) writes:

(snip - Ally-oop getting really steamed that I said he wasn't a man)

>    thus, we come to my reasoning: if i, as a collegiate young black male,
> were not violent before, i certainly have been "enlightened" by some of
> the your and your cohorts' "white power" assertions as to why it is
> essential that i learn to be so.  i entered your forum with an open mind,
> and have been met by little more than biased debates, insults, and
> otherwise childish behavior from the majority of your "team".

So leave; no-one will miss you.  As I recall, no-one INVITED you here in
the first place, but like a typical negro, you just HAD to push yourself
where you're not wanted.  I'm sure you have done (and are still doing) the
same thing at college.
 
>    many of you, as white supremacists, are far more interested in fighting
> regardless of what negotiations may lay on the table.  i suppose that i
> first witnessed this in my history books when i, as a naive young child,
> questioned as to why the first settlers felt the need to slaughter the
> "native-americans" who had fed them and helped them through the first
> winter here in what was soon to be "white" america.  

Time marches on.  In any event, the "native-americans" were also
civilized to a level they could never have attained by themselves.  Would
it be reasonable (or even feasible) to ask that the first European colonists
turn their back on their technological advancements, and live like the
Stone Age indians?

>    and why the "black-americans" were lynched and hanged for reasons that
> seemed unjustified.  

Like slave revolts, murders, rapes, etc.  Execution is NOT the same thing
as lynching, idiot.
 
>    and why the "jewish-americans" were beaten and terrorized for their
> religious beliefs.  

Get it right, arsehole.  It was because their presence was undesirable,
not because they went to church on Saturdays.  It just so happened that
their religious differences were the most easy to articulate.

>    and why the "chinese-americans"  were forced to work in the most 
> hazardous sites, and yet recieved the lowest pay rates. 

They didn't HAVE to do so.  They could have stayed in China, where they
could have enjoyed the beneficient and enlightened rule of their (chinese)
monarchs.
 
>    and why the "japanese-americans" were interned in camps by a nation in
> which they had achieved full-blooded citizenship.

Because they were perceived as a threat.
 
(snip - the rest of Ally-oop's combined "noble negro" and "poor l'il ole
me" deleted)

Les

--
It is thought that justice is equality, and so it is, but not for all
persons, only those who are equal.
		- Aristotle


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Sep 24 07:53:13 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Another funny thing about "libs"...
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evil Beavis (stefan@scott.net) writes:
>>   Ronald Schoedel  writes:
>>  bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:

Moi:
>>  >They always let it slip, almost as if they don't care that we know, that
>>  >they're white.  However, you can bet that they care VERY MUCH that we
>>  >know.  It's almost pathetic to read some dork like eB or Crazy Jeannie
>>  >telling us that s/he's white, because one can almost smell the fear that
>>  >actually motivates them.  They tell us that they're white because they
>>  >want to have an ace up their sleeves when we come to power.

Rev. Ron:
>>  Perhaps you will agree with me, Les, that such race traitors are no 
>>  better than the ones whose butts they are always kissing...Beaver is a
>>  big loser, Crazy jeannie is a psychopath, and the only thing they got
>>  going for them is they are White.  But they may as well not be, race
>>  traitors are the lowest of the low.
> 
> Yep, you're right bungholes! And I'm gonna contribute to the darkening of the race 
> by having a few "mongrel" babies of my own with my black woman. At least I 
> know my kids won't have to fear competition for kids with morons like you for 
> parents!! Pisses you off huh? heh he he heheeheh...

Not particularly.  After all, why should we care that you're infecting the
negroes with your inferior genes?  I DO feel sorry for them, kinda,
seeing as they already have so many strikes against them, now they're
going to have another one ("breeding with eB" will be a real handicap. 
You should think about this, if you love the negroes as much as you claim
to).

Les


--
It is thought that justice is equality, and so it is, but not for all
persons, only those who are equal.
		- Aristotle


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Sep 24 07:53:14 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: "Negroes built America!"
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This "argument" is starting to pop up an awful lot here.  But let's look
at the facts:

Negro slaves here built, under the direction of White men, one of the
grandest civilizations the world has ever seen.  Free negroes in Africa
countinued to while away in idleness.

Does that tell you something?  It should, if you're not blind!

Les

--
It is thought that justice is equality, and so it is, but not for all
persons, only those who are equal.
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:

(snip)

> You pathetic little turd. You think that calling somebody a Jew is the
> worst insult in the world, don't you?

It isn't?

> I *do* believe that the Jews are the Chosen People, so you have actually
> given me a great honor.

Why am I NOT surprised?

Les


--
It is thought that justice is equality, and so it is, but not for all
persons, only those who are equal.
		- Aristotle


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Sep 24 07:54:25 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: A few questions for the devils...
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AReaves271 (areaves271@aol.com) writes:
> That was a lot of evidence!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> 
> Mr. Klugman,
> 
> I apologize for the mis-understanding.  I did not say you were a racist, I
> would never do that, I
> said that if you are white, then I "suspect" you as a racist. Which I do.
> I mean I cant prove that
> you are, or are not, but I do have  evidence that you could be a racist. 
> Hence, as a person who
> is  a "victim" of racism, I have  the authority to suspect anyone (white)
> until my I have identified
> all racists, or racism has ended.

No, you don't.  You don't have any such authority, you're just basking
(for now) in the special benefits you derive from being able to pass
judgements on others.  Meanwhile, you and other negroes can indulge in the
most outrageous anti-White racism, secure in the knowledge that you'll
never be called on it.

Les

--
It is thought that justice is equality, and so it is, but not for all
persons, only those who are equal.
		- Aristotle


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Sep 24 08:31:33 PDT 1995
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~Bayajida (bayajida@kino.co.uk) writes:
> ... so on Tue, 19 Sep 1995 09:45:09 GMT, bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold)  wrote:
> 
>>You know, you remind me of an "intergendered" person from Ottawa who tried
>>to tell me that Phillipinos are often called "White" by other Orientals
>>because he wanted desperately to prove that a "White" had committed a
>>heinous crime (in this case, injecting her lover with HIV).
> 
> The term mulatto has been use far to freely,

I agree with you there.  "Mulatto" should be used to mean someone who is
approx 50% negro, 50% non-negro.  Right now, it's applied to ANYONE who's
not 100% negro.

> i daresay that you could describe the whole black population of the New World
> as mullato.

Like hell you could.  You're just showing your fuzzy understanding of the
word "mulatto".

> The white population too. How about the rest of the world. Why don't we
> because to do so would destroy our notions of race, where one begins
> and the other ends.
>  
> If we did not know cedrases ancestry we  would call him white, that is
> enough.

Like hell we would.  We would say that he is not as black as Aristide, but
NO-ONE would call him White.  Stop trying to justify your blatant stupidity.

Les

--
It is thought that justice is equality, and so it is, but not for all
persons, only those who are equal.
		- Aristotle


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Sep 24 09:33:38 PDT 1995
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~Bayajida (bayajida@kino.co.uk) writes:
> ... so on Tue, 19 Sep 1995 09:45:09 GMT, bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold)  wrote:
> 
>>You know, you remind me of an "intergendered" person from Ottawa who tried
>>to tell me that Phillipinos are often called "White" by other Orientals
>>because he wanted desperately to prove that a "White" had committed a
>>heinous crime (in this case, injecting her lover with HIV).
> 
> The term mulatto has been use far to freely,

I agree with you there.  "Mulatto" should be used to mean someone who is
approx 50% negro, 50% non-negro.  Right now, it's applied to ANYONE who's
not 100% negro.

> i daresay that you could describe the whole black population of the New World
> as mullato.

Like hell you could.  You're just showing your fuzzy understanding of the
word "mulatto".

> The white population too. How about the rest of the world. Why don't we
> because to do so would destroy our notions of race, where one begins
> and the other ends.
>  
> If we did not know cedrases ancestry we  would call him white, that is
> enough.

Like hell we would.  We would say that he is not as black as Aristide, but
NO-ONE would call him White.  Stop trying to justify your blatant stupidity.

Les

--
It is thought that justice is equality, and so it is, but not for all
persons, only those who are equal.
		- Aristotle


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Sep 25 07:19:42 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Murder Of White Child In LA NOT A Hate Crime???!!!
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Civilized Man (student@ucs.indiana.edu) writes:
> The following is a unaltered news report from Reuter.  This is 
> indicative of how white people act en masse to race.  They complain
> about not having a society where race is not a factor. 'Why is there
> a black history month? black student unions? Black Entertainment TV,
> affirmative action?..blah, blah, blah." You devils are so hypocritical.
> Like I said earlier, had this been an innocent little Latino or black, 
> child, as usual, this would not have caused a whimper from you people.
> Hundreds of little Latino and black children are murdered by these
> slavish, barbarian gangsters annually. Now a little Ayran girl is 
> killed and you demons see this as a race war against euros. Well, this
> is only the reaction of the most foolish of you, but the white masses
> certainly view these street thugs as particularly hostile to whites,
> when the truth is that they murder there own people many times more than
> euros.
 
So who cares if these gang members mow every last one of themselves down? 
Would the world be missing ANYTHING if these gangs disappeared overnight?
  
> The way Riordan reacts to the gang problem is another living example of 
> the vivacity of instituionalized white power in this country. If he was
> so upset with little kids being murdered, he should done somethings long
> before the murders of these kids reached the 100s. But let a little
> Aryan get killed.....
 
That's right, because no-one CARES if these gansters murder each other, or
someone who's only probable future is as a kiddie-killer, anyway.
 
> The "WPs" are proud of their comrade Riordan today.
> 
> Civilized Man
> 
>   
>     LOS ANGELES (Reuter) - The killing of the blond, blue-eyed, 
> 3-year-old girl shocked America, from President Clinton on down. 
> 
>     Stephanie Kuhen, strapped into her car safety seat, was shot in the 
> head after the car she was in made a wrong turn late at night into a 
> dead-end street that gun-toting gang members considered their turf. 
> 
>     Three or four members of the Hispanic ``Avenues'' gang began 
> throwing trash cans as the car's driver tried desperately to turn 
> around. 
> 
>     Then without warning, the shots rang out. 
> 
>     Stephanie died from a bullet wound in the head early last Sunday. 
> Her two-year-old brother Joseph was wounded in the foot. The driver, 
> Timothy Stone, 25, was hit in the back as he ducked down and pressed the 
> accelerator with his hand. 
> 
>     On Wednesday night, police arrested a reputed gang member suspected 
> in the murder but on Friday three survivors of the ambush failed to 
> identify him in a lineup. Police, who said they were still holding the 
> first suspect, later arrested three more Friday night. 
> 
>     The first man was out on parole after serving 14 months of a 
> three-year term for manslaughter in a 1992 drive-by shooting. The judge 
> at his trial was Lance Ito, currently in charge of the O.J. Simpson 
> double murder trial. 
> 
>     Police Chief Willie Williams had described the suspect as ''one of 
> the most vicious and vile members'' of the Avenues gang and a 
> ``soldier'' in the ``Mexican Mafia'' prison syndicate. 
> 
>     The Los Angeles Times quoted law enforcement officials as saying the 
> man is believed to be involved in moves by the Mexican Mafia to organize 
> drug trafficking among Latino street gangs. 
> 
>     The murder, in a city where drive-by shootings are almost a daily 
> occurrence, has stunned Los Angeles, prompting Mayor Richard Riordan to 
> propose appointing a gang ``czar'' to combat a wave of violence that has 
> seen 25 gang-related killings in the San Fernando Valley area alone 
> since July. 
> 
>     ``We've simply had enough. Angelenos are sick of these senseless 
> acts of violence. I'm sick of them,'' Riordan told law enforcement 
> officials at a ``gang summit'' Thursday. 
> 
>     ``Unfortunately, there are too many Stephanies. It's not just this 
> child, it's not just her family,'' Riordan told a news conference.   
> 
> Reut07:06 09-24-95
 
Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Sep 25 07:19:43 PDT 1995
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Stewart King (slking@course2.harvard.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Stewart King (slking@scws33.harvard.edu) writes:
> 
> : > So you really think that a lot of suburban white chicks are going around 
> : > humping Haitian immigrants and Mexican field workers?
> 
> : One's too many.
> 
> But will it affect the statistics we were talking about?

YOU were talking about statistics, because it keeps you from having to
face the truth of what your position logically leads to.
 
> : > Remember, according to you, all non-white immigrants are poor, 
> : > unskilled, and a cancer on society
> 
> : I never said that all non-white immigrants are poor and unskilled.  I
> : don't know where  you got that.  
> 
> Might have been from your last several dozen blanket statements about 
> minority groups.  ("Blacks are attracted to dope and alcohol like moths 
> to a light," etc.)  But maybe I was just on heavy drugs.  It happens with 
> us liberals.
> 
> : I HAVE maintained, and I still do, that ALL non-white immigrants are 
> : UNDESIRABLE because of the threat they pose to our genetic pool.
> 
> Genetically speaking, minorities are nothing but GOOD GOOD GOOD, because 
> they bring in variation and increase the range of adaptability in a 
> population.  For example, if the ozone layer suddenly got eaten through by 
> a Chernobyl-esque release of 40 jagillion tons of CFCs, white people 
> would be up a creek without any melanin, while if there was 
> interbreeding, those individuals with some increased pigmentation would 
> have a much greater overall chance of passing on their genes, some of 
> which would still be white.  

You haven't been paying attention, have you...

"If, if, if... " This seems to be the ONLY thing that liberals base their
"ideas" on.  Well, if the ozone layer DID suddenly disappear, I suppose
you'd be right.  And if a frog had wings, he wouldn't bump his ass every
time he jumped.  Let's get out of the fantasies, though, and deal with the
realities.
 
Les


--
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persons, only those who are equal.
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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Sep 25 07:19:44 PDT 1995
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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
> * Civilized Man (student@ucs.indiana.edu) writes:
> * > The following is a unaltered news report from Reuter.  This is 
> * > indicative of how white people act en masse to race.  They complain
> * > about not having a society where race is not a factor. 'Why is there
> * > a black history month? black student unions? Black Entertainment TV,
> * > affirmative action?..blah, blah, blah." You devils are so hypocritical.
> * > Like I said earlier, had this been an innocent little Latino or black, 
> * > child, as usual, this would not have caused a whimper from you people.
> * > Hundreds of little Latino and black children are murdered by these
> * > slavish, barbarian gangsters annually. Now a little Ayran girl is 
> * > killed and you demons see this as a race war against euros. Well, this
> * > is only the reaction of the most foolish of you, but the white masses
> * > certainly view these street thugs as particularly hostile to whites,
> * > when the truth is that they murder there own people many times more than
> * > euros.
> * 
> * So who cares if these gang members mow every last one of themselves down? 
> * Would the world be missing ANYTHING if these gangs disappeared overnight?
> 
> Do you think that all Latino and black children are gang members who
> deserve to die in the streets, Les? How about their grandparents who have
> been hardworking, decent people their entire lives? 

Well, if they aren't in gangs, they have absolutely nothing to worry
about, right?  I mean, that's what you libs have been telling us for
years:  essentially, "those who live by the sword die by the sword".  I've
been told that only my racism makes me a potential victim of non-white
violence; Stephanie Kuhen's murder disporves that.
 
> * > The way Riordan reacts to the gang problem is another living example of 
> * > the vivacity of instituionalized white power in this country. If he was
> * > so upset with little kids being murdered, he should done somethings long
> * > before the murders of these kids reached the 100s. But let a little
> * > Aryan get killed.....
> * 
> * That's right, because no-one CARES if these gansters murder each other, or
> * someone who's only probable future is as a kiddie-killer, anyway.
> 
> You are the most hypocritical son of a bitch who has the audacity to write
> about this issue. FYI, asshole:
> 
> 1. Many people care when people's lives are cut short by violence.

And many don't, if the people whose lives are cut short are violent
themselves.
 
> 2. Someone's worth as a human being is not any less because they have dark
> skin, live in a poor neighborhood, or associate with gang members.

No, but apparently, we're reacting all out of sorts when we get noisy
about a White child getting killed by non-whites.
 
> 3. Your children (factitious or not) are being raised in a gang just as
> brutal as the ones that you say should kill each other off. 

"Here's a gat, son, go shoot yourself some non-whites..."
 
> 4. Your children will grow up believing that it's okay to be a
> kiddie-killer, as long as the victims have dark skin or different
> religious beliefs.

Oh, but it's okay to kill someone of the SAME skin colour, or to at least
rant and rave against every display of White-on-non-white violence as
"proof" of White racism?
 
> 5. This event happened in the U.S., and you are flapping your fat mouth
> from Canada. Why don't you just shut the fuck up about American politics,
> race relations and every other damn thing that doesn't concern you, and
> concentrate on spreading racism and anti-Semetism your own country? 

I don't care if she was killed in  Tokyo.  I'm concerned about the savage
killing of a White child REGARDLESS of where it occurs.

Les


--
It is thought that justice is equality, and so it is, but not for all
persons, only those who are equal.
		- Aristotle


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Sep 25 07:19:44 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Why negroes cry racism...
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Why do negroes always cry racism and oppression, when they could follow
the example of the orientals, not belly-ache about "racism", get down to
work, and actually succeed?  Simple:  if negroes gave up their crutch of
"racism", and actually got to work, they wouldn't do one iota better than
they're doing now, and their incompetence would be laid bare for all the
world to see.  They would no longer have accusations of "racism" to hide
behind.

Les

--
It is thought that justice is equality, and so it is, but not for all
persons, only those who are equal.
		- Aristotle


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Sep 25 07:22:56 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Murder Of White Child In LA NOT A Hate Crime???!!!
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Civilized Man (student@ucs.indiana.edu) writes:
> The following is a unaltered news report from Reuter.  This is 
> indicative of how white people act en masse to race.  They complain
> about not having a society where race is not a factor. 'Why is there
> a black history month? black student unions? Black Entertainment TV,
> affirmative action?..blah, blah, blah." You devils are so hypocritical.
> Like I said earlier, had this been an innocent little Latino or black, 
> child, as usual, this would not have caused a whimper from you people.
> Hundreds of little Latino and black children are murdered by these
> slavish, barbarian gangsters annually. Now a little Ayran girl is 
> killed and you demons see this as a race war against euros. Well, this
> is only the reaction of the most foolish of you, but the white masses
> certainly view these street thugs as particularly hostile to whites,
> when the truth is that they murder there own people many times more than
> euros.
 
So who cares if these gang members mow every last one of themselves down? 
Would the world be missing ANYTHING if these gangs disappeared overnight?
  
> The way Riordan reacts to the gang problem is another living example of 
> the vivacity of instituionalized white power in this country. If he was
> so upset with little kids being murdered, he should done somethings long
> before the murders of these kids reached the 100s. But let a little
> Aryan get killed.....
 
That's right, because no-one CARES if these gansters murder each other, or
someone who's only probable future is as a kiddie-killer, anyway.
 
> The "WPs" are proud of their comrade Riordan today.
> 
> Civilized Man
> 
>   
>     LOS ANGELES (Reuter) - The killing of the blond, blue-eyed, 
> 3-year-old girl shocked America, from President Clinton on down. 
> 
>     Stephanie Kuhen, strapped into her car safety seat, was shot in the 
> head after the car she was in made a wrong turn late at night into a 
> dead-end street that gun-toting gang members considered their turf. 
> 
>     Three or four members of the Hispanic ``Avenues'' gang began 
> throwing trash cans as the car's driver tried desperately to turn 
> around. 
> 
>     Then without warning, the shots rang out. 
> 
>     Stephanie died from a bullet wound in the head early last Sunday. 
> Her two-year-old brother Joseph was wounded in the foot. The driver, 
> Timothy Stone, 25, was hit in the back as he ducked down and pressed the 
> accelerator with his hand. 
> 
>     On Wednesday night, police arrested a reputed gang member suspected 
> in the murder but on Friday three survivors of the ambush failed to 
> identify him in a lineup. Police, who said they were still holding the 
> first suspect, later arrested three more Friday night. 
> 
>     The first man was out on parole after serving 14 months of a 
> three-year term for manslaughter in a 1992 drive-by shooting. The judge 
> at his trial was Lance Ito, currently in charge of the O.J. Simpson 
> double murder trial. 
> 
>     Police Chief Willie Williams had described the suspect as ''one of 
> the most vicious and vile members'' of the Avenues gang and a 
> ``soldier'' in the ``Mexican Mafia'' prison syndicate. 
> 
>     The Los Angeles Times quoted law enforcement officials as saying the 
> man is believed to be involved in moves by the Mexican Mafia to organize 
> drug trafficking among Latino street gangs. 
> 
>     The murder, in a city where drive-by shootings are almost a daily 
> occurrence, has stunned Los Angeles, prompting Mayor Richard Riordan to 
> propose appointing a gang ``czar'' to combat a wave of violence that has 
> seen 25 gang-related killings in the San Fernando Valley area alone 
> since July. 
> 
>     ``We've simply had enough. Angelenos are sick of these senseless 
> acts of violence. I'm sick of them,'' Riordan told law enforcement 
> officials at a ``gang summit'' Thursday. 
> 
>     ``Unfortunately, there are too many Stephanies. It's not just this 
> child, it's not just her family,'' Riordan told a news conference.   
> 
> Reut07:06 09-24-95
 
Les


--
It is thought that justice is equality, and so it is, but not for all
persons, only those who are equal.
		- Aristotle


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Sep 25 07:22:57 PDT 1995
Article: 4120 of alt.politics.white-power
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Stewart King (slking@course2.harvard.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Stewart King (slking@scws33.harvard.edu) writes:
> 
> : > So you really think that a lot of suburban white chicks are going around 
> : > humping Haitian immigrants and Mexican field workers?
> 
> : One's too many.
> 
> But will it affect the statistics we were talking about?

YOU were talking about statistics, because it keeps you from having to
face the truth of what your position logically leads to.
 
> : > Remember, according to you, all non-white immigrants are poor, 
> : > unskilled, and a cancer on society
> 
> : I never said that all non-white immigrants are poor and unskilled.  I
> : don't know where  you got that.  
> 
> Might have been from your last several dozen blanket statements about 
> minority groups.  ("Blacks are attracted to dope and alcohol like moths 
> to a light," etc.)  But maybe I was just on heavy drugs.  It happens with 
> us liberals.
> 
> : I HAVE maintained, and I still do, that ALL non-white immigrants are 
> : UNDESIRABLE because of the threat they pose to our genetic pool.
> 
> Genetically speaking, minorities are nothing but GOOD GOOD GOOD, because 
> they bring in variation and increase the range of adaptability in a 
> population.  For example, if the ozone layer suddenly got eaten through by 
> a Chernobyl-esque release of 40 jagillion tons of CFCs, white people 
> would be up a creek without any melanin, while if there was 
> interbreeding, those individuals with some increased pigmentation would 
> have a much greater overall chance of passing on their genes, some of 
> which would still be white.  

You haven't been paying attention, have you...

"If, if, if... " This seems to be the ONLY thing that liberals base their
"ideas" on.  Well, if the ozone layer DID suddenly disappear, I suppose
you'd be right.  And if a frog had wings, he wouldn't bump his ass every
time he jumped.  Let's get out of the fantasies, though, and deal with the
realities.
 
Les


--
It is thought that justice is equality, and so it is, but not for all
persons, only those who are equal.
		- Aristotle


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Sep 25 07:22:57 PDT 1995
Article: 4159 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Niggers United Against Racism
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evil Beavis (stefan@scott.net) writes:
>>   bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
>>  evil Beavis (stefan@scott.net) writes:

>>  > And what's wrong with being in teepees if that's what you want??
>>  
>>  Foot-boy, Foot-boy, Foot-boy...
>>  
>>  There's a difference between WANTING to live in a tee-pee, and HAVING to
>>  live in one because you can't develop anything better.
> 
> Well, Les "I am sooo fascinated by feet" Griswold. Get this through your thick 
> skull: teepees worked just fine until your redneck ancestors (a bunch of riff raff 
> unwanted by us in Europe) came to the Americas and fucked with them. Not all 
> technological advancement is necessarily always positive.

Never said they were.  However, you can't use that statement as a defense
of people who are INATELY primitive, and HAD to rely on primitiveness. 
The way you make it sound, the indians CHOSE not to become technologically
advanced because they knew that it could lead to some undesirable stuff. 
That's not what you meant, is it?

> I.e. weapons of mass 
> destruction, inventions ruining our environment etc.

Check out the involvement of the jews in developing weapons of mass
destruction, then get back to us.

Les
--
It is thought that justice is equality, and so it is, but not for all
persons, only those who are equal.
		- Aristotle


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Sep 25 07:22:58 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Murder Of White Child In LA NOT A Hate Crime???!!!
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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
> * Civilized Man (student@ucs.indiana.edu) writes:
> * > The following is a unaltered news report from Reuter.  This is 
> * > indicative of how white people act en masse to race.  They complain
> * > about not having a society where race is not a factor. 'Why is there
> * > a black history month? black student unions? Black Entertainment TV,
> * > affirmative action?..blah, blah, blah." You devils are so hypocritical.
> * > Like I said earlier, had this been an innocent little Latino or black, 
> * > child, as usual, this would not have caused a whimper from you people.
> * > Hundreds of little Latino and black children are murdered by these
> * > slavish, barbarian gangsters annually. Now a little Ayran girl is 
> * > killed and you demons see this as a race war against euros. Well, this
> * > is only the reaction of the most foolish of you, but the white masses
> * > certainly view these street thugs as particularly hostile to whites,
> * > when the truth is that they murder there own people many times more than
> * > euros.
> * 
> * So who cares if these gang members mow every last one of themselves down? 
> * Would the world be missing ANYTHING if these gangs disappeared overnight?
> 
> Do you think that all Latino and black children are gang members who
> deserve to die in the streets, Les? How about their grandparents who have
> been hardworking, decent people their entire lives? 

Well, if they aren't in gangs, they have absolutely nothing to worry
about, right?  I mean, that's what you libs have been telling us for
years:  essentially, "those who live by the sword die by the sword".  I've
been told that only my racism makes me a potential victim of non-white
violence; Stephanie Kuhen's murder disporves that.
 
> * > The way Riordan reacts to the gang problem is another living example of 
> * > the vivacity of instituionalized white power in this country. If he was
> * > so upset with little kids being murdered, he should done somethings long
> * > before the murders of these kids reached the 100s. But let a little
> * > Aryan get killed.....
> * 
> * That's right, because no-one CARES if these gansters murder each other, or
> * someone who's only probable future is as a kiddie-killer, anyway.
> 
> You are the most hypocritical son of a bitch who has the audacity to write
> about this issue. FYI, asshole:
> 
> 1. Many people care when people's lives are cut short by violence.

And many don't, if the people whose lives are cut short are violent
themselves.
 
> 2. Someone's worth as a human being is not any less because they have dark
> skin, live in a poor neighborhood, or associate with gang members.

No, but apparently, we're reacting all out of sorts when we get noisy
about a White child getting killed by non-whites.
 
> 3. Your children (factitious or not) are being raised in a gang just as
> brutal as the ones that you say should kill each other off. 

"Here's a gat, son, go shoot yourself some non-whites..."
 
> 4. Your children will grow up believing that it's okay to be a
> kiddie-killer, as long as the victims have dark skin or different
> religious beliefs.

Oh, but it's okay to kill someone of the SAME skin colour, or to at least
rant and rave against every display of White-on-non-white violence as
"proof" of White racism?
 
> 5. This event happened in the U.S., and you are flapping your fat mouth
> from Canada. Why don't you just shut the fuck up about American politics,
> race relations and every other damn thing that doesn't concern you, and
> concentrate on spreading racism and anti-Semetism your own country? 

I don't care if she was killed in  Tokyo.  I'm concerned about the savage
killing of a White child REGARDLESS of where it occurs.

Les


--
It is thought that justice is equality, and so it is, but not for all
persons, only those who are equal.
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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Sep 25 07:22:59 PDT 1995
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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:
> In article <4433qn$3dd@warp.cris.com>, Ronald Schoedel 
> wrote:

(snip)

> * Just out of curiosity, SISTER JEANNIE, where do you base your belief 
> * that the jews are the "chosen people"?  The Bible?  Just a fair warning,
> * Crazy Jeannie, don't try to engage me in a battle of Biblical exegesis
> * and debating.  You only *think* you've seen me kick your butt. 
> 
> You haven't kicked anyone's butt, Rev. You're not even old enough to find
> your own with both hands in a room full of mirrors. You have a cult based
> upon hatred  of others, not to honor God. I have no intention of debating
> The Bible with you here, because I have seen how you lie and then run when
> you're caught.

Notice that Crazy hasn't answered the question.  Methinks she's trying to
gracefully back out of having made that nose-stretcher about the "Chosen
People", but I've heard seven-year-old kids do it with more finesse (ie,
"I know, but I'm not going to tell you!")

Les


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It is thought that justice is equality, and so it is, but not for all
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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Sep 25 07:23:00 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Why negroes cry racism...
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Why do negroes always cry racism and oppression, when they could follow
the example of the orientals, not belly-ache about "racism", get down to
work, and actually succeed?  Simple:  if negroes gave up their crutch of
"racism", and actually got to work, they wouldn't do one iota better than
they're doing now, and their incompetence would be laid bare for all the
world to see.  They would no longer have accusations of "racism" to hide
behind.

Les

--
It is thought that justice is equality, and so it is, but not for all
persons, only those who are equal.
		- Aristotle


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Sep 25 07:23:01 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: "Negroes built America!"
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Jeremy Petrisor (xjerempe@ssimicro.com) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA says...

>>Negro slaves here built, under the direction of White men, one of the
>>grandest civilizations the world has ever seen.  Free negroes in Africa
>>countinued to while away in idleness.
>>
>>Does that tell you something?  It should, if you're not blind!
> 
> Yeah, less, it tells us that your knowledge of African history is piss poor.  
> What a surprise...
> 
> Here's some civilizations that those "idle" people seemed to stumble into.  
> While the European "kingdoms" were busy slaughtering the Moslems, some of these 
> were trading with them and achieving levels of cultural refinement unknown to 
> Europeans.  Others were doing so when Northern Europeans were spending their 
> time scratching their crotches and picking lice out of each others hair for a 
> snack.
> 
> Aksum	Funj Sultanate	Barbary States	Nubia	Kongo	Mali Empire	Kush
> Songhai Empire	Mwanamutapa	Swahili City-States	Ethiopia (Christians 
> longer than your people were, less)	Benin	Hausa City-States   Luba	
> Kilwa

It's really funny (pathetic?) how you grabbed just ANYONE who built a
civilization on the continent of Afreeca and claimed that they were
"negro" civilizations.  Too, I suspect that you made some of them up,
although I notice that you didn't include Egypt there.  Oversight, or
have we convinced you that this whole "'Gyptians was BLACK, man!"
allegation is B.S.?

Les


--
It is thought that justice is equality, and so it is, but not for all
persons, only those who are equal.
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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Sep 25 07:33:43 PDT 1995
Article: 4188 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Murder Of White Child In LA NOT A Hate Crime???!!!
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Civilized Man (student@ucs.indiana.edu) writes:
> The following is a unaltered news report from Reuter.  This is 
> indicative of how white people act en masse to race.  They complain
> about not having a society where race is not a factor. 'Why is there
> a black history month? black student unions? Black Entertainment TV,
> affirmative action?..blah, blah, blah." You devils are so hypocritical.
> Like I said earlier, had this been an innocent little Latino or black, 
> child, as usual, this would not have caused a whimper from you people.
> Hundreds of little Latino and black children are murdered by these
> slavish, barbarian gangsters annually. Now a little Ayran girl is 
> killed and you demons see this as a race war against euros. Well, this
> is only the reaction of the most foolish of you, but the white masses
> certainly view these street thugs as particularly hostile to whites,
> when the truth is that they murder there own people many times more than
> euros.

So who cares if these gang members mow every last one of themselves down? 
Would the world be missing ANYTHING if these gangs disappeared overnight?
 
> The way Riordan reacts to the gang problem is another living example of 
> the vivacity of instituionalized white power in this country. If he was
> so upset with little kids being murdered, he should done somethings long
> before the murders of these kids reached the 100s. But let a little
> Aryan get killed.....

That's right, because no-one CARES if these gansters murder each other, or
someone who's only probable future is as a kiddie-killer, anyway.

> The "WPs" are proud of their comrade Riordan today.
> 
> Civilized Man
> 
>   
>     LOS ANGELES (Reuter) - The killing of the blond, blue-eyed, 
> 3-year-old girl shocked America, from President Clinton on down. 
> 
>     Stephanie Kuhen, strapped into her car safety seat, was shot in the 
> head after the car she was in made a wrong turn late at night into a 
> dead-end street that gun-toting gang members considered their turf. 
> 
>     Three or four members of the Hispanic ``Avenues'' gang began 
> throwing trash cans as the car's driver tried desperately to turn 
> around. 
> 
>     Then without warning, the shots rang out. 
> 
>     Stephanie died from a bullet wound in the head early last Sunday. 
> Her two-year-old brother Joseph was wounded in the foot. The driver, 
> Timothy Stone, 25, was hit in the back as he ducked down and pressed the 
> accelerator with his hand. 
> 
>     On Wednesday night, police arrested a reputed gang member suspected 
> in the murder but on Friday three survivors of the ambush failed to 
> identify him in a lineup. Police, who said they were still holding the 
> first suspect, later arrested three more Friday night. 
> 
>     The first man was out on parole after serving 14 months of a 
> three-year term for manslaughter in a 1992 drive-by shooting. The judge 
> at his trial was Lance Ito, currently in charge of the O.J. Simpson 
> double murder trial. 
> 
>     Police Chief Willie Williams had described the suspect as ''one of 
> the most vicious and vile members'' of the Avenues gang and a 
> ``soldier'' in the ``Mexican Mafia'' prison syndicate. 
> 
>     The Los Angeles Times quoted law enforcement officials as saying the 
> man is believed to be involved in moves by the Mexican Mafia to organize 
> drug trafficking among Latino street gangs. 
> 
>     The murder, in a city where drive-by shootings are almost a daily 
> occurrence, has stunned Los Angeles, prompting Mayor Richard Riordan to 
> propose appointing a gang ``czar'' to combat a wave of violence that has 
> seen 25 gang-related killings in the San Fernando Valley area alone 
> since July. 
> 
>     ``We've simply had enough. Angelenos are sick of these senseless 
> acts of violence. I'm sick of them,'' Riordan told law enforcement 
> officials at a ``gang summit'' Thursday. 
> 
>     ``Unfortunately, there are too many Stephanies. It's not just this 
> child, it's not just her family,'' Riordan told a news conference.   
> 
> Reut07:06 09-24-95

Les


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persons, only those who are equal.
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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Sep 25 08:08:54 PDT 1995
Article: 3008 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Why can't they build anymore?
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My friend's father, who's an architect, has been to Egypt many times.  He
says that they are among the poorest builders in the world, not even being
able to lay a straight line of bricks.  What happens is, they'll slap a
bunch of bricks into an archway, and then add more bricks of a different
size until it's evened out.

... and these are supposedly the guys who built the pyramids.

Les

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It is thought that justice is equality, and so it is, but not for all
persons, only those who are equal.
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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Sep 25 08:33:07 PDT 1995
Article: 4189 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Niggers United Against Racism
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evil Beavis (stefan@scott.net) writes:
>>   xyz@scsn.net (Racial Theorist) writes:
> 
>>  like i said, it was my ancestors who helped build this country.  if we
>>  weren't here, the injuns would still be in teepees.
> 
> And what's wrong with being in teepees if that's what you want??

Foot-boy, Foot-boy, Foot-boy...

There's a difference between WANTING to live in a tee-pee, and HAVING to
live in one because you can't develop anything better.

Les


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It is thought that justice is equality, and so it is, but not for all
persons, only those who are equal.
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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Sep 25 15:05:54 PDT 1995
Article: 4226 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: N*GG*R
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Stewart King (slking@scws40.harvard.edu) writes:

(snip)

> : > Genetically speaking, minorities are nothing but GOOD GOOD GOOD, 
> : > because they bring in variation and increase the range of 
> : > adaptability in a population.  For example, if the ozone layer 
> : > suddenly got eaten through by a Chernobyl-esque release of 40 
> : > jagillion tons of CFCs, white people would be up a creek without any 
> : > melanin, while if there was interbreeding, those individuals with 
> : > some increased pigmentation would have a much greater overall chance 
> : > of passing on their genes, some of which would still be white.  
> 
> : You haven't been paying attention, have you...
> 
> Uh, to what?
> 
> : "If, if, if... " This seems to be the ONLY thing that liberals base their
> : "ideas" on.  Well, if the ozone layer DID suddenly disappear, I suppose
> : you'd be right. 
> 
> Good!  Progress.  But see, that was just an example.  Do you know what an 
> "example" is, Les?  That's when someone makes up a hypothetical situation 
> - one that isn't necessarily true - to illustrate a point of logic or 
> science or whatever.  The important thing isn't the specific event - it's 
> the principle illustrated by it.

But if your example is just so much hot air, with NO bearing on reality AT
PRESENT, then it`s worthless.  Like I said, if a frog had wings, he
wouldn`t bump his ass every time he jumped.
 
> So whether I'm right or not has nothing to do with whether or not the 
> ozone layer will or will not disappear.  There are any number of things 
> that could happen to affect which genes will provide an advantage in the 
> future.  I was illustrating a point of basic population genetics.  So, 
> seeing as how you've admitted that I would be right if my hypothetical 
> situation came to pass, you have also conceded the underlying point.  
> I'm right!  Hooray!

Translation:  as long as you accede to my fantasies, I`m right! 

Les


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It is thought that justice is equality, and so it is, but not for all
persons, only those who are equal.
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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Sep 25 19:52:13 PDT 1995
Article: 4235 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Niggers United Against Racism
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Ronald Schoedel (ChrIdent@cris.com) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>>No, there are no wagon-burners kicking around in my family tree, thank
>>goodness.  But if we go, we're gonna take EVERYTHING that we gave to those
>>ingrates, such as welfare, satellite dishes, pick-up trucks, etc.  Hell,
>>let's make it easy, and just take back EVERYTHING above Stone Age technology.
> 
> Les, this is an interesting idea...why don't we all just go back to 
> Europe, and take with us EVERYTHING we gave civilization, and leave 
> the libs, the negroes, the injuns, etc. on their own in their nice
> little multi-cultural wonderland.  Wonder how long they'd like that????

My guess is, we wouldn't even get back to Europe before they would be
BEGGING us to come back and fix their problems.
 
> If these libs think we Aryans are so evil, why don't we see them mixing
> with negroes?  How many of you libs live in the inner city, next to
> crack houses?  My guess would be few, if any...WHY?

It's been said many times that liberals are liberal in inverse proportion
to the effect their liberalism has on themselves.

> If the african
> "civilization" is sooooooo great, go be a part of it.  And let those of
> us who are civilized take all our contributions to society and we'll see
> how you like that.

Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Sep 26 08:13:28 PDT 1995
Article: 4275 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: A liberal tactic...
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Liberal: (pushes his ignorance into the face of a WP)
WP:  Hey, buddy, you wanna stop that?
Liberal:  (ignores common courtesy, keeps up his annoying behaviour)
WP:  Hey, buddy, I asked you to stop, would you please?
Liberal:  (stick to his atrocious behaviour)
WP:  Hey, lay off.
Liberal:  (keeps it up)
WP:  (finally reacts to the liberal provocation)
Liberal:  SEE?!?  SEE?!?  White racism!!!

Les

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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Sep 26 08:11:16 PDT 1995
Article: 3175 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Some facts! (was: Face fact...Blacks were first.)
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Brendan J. F. Scallon (scallon@pyrotechnics.com) writes:
> Hello, I am a Celtic-American male from a rednecked Midwestern suburb.
> I have been checking out all the unadulterated history books and have
> found out from countless scholars that all the genetic code in all hu-
> mans all go back to the woman who was first to give birth, the origin-
> al Afro-Asiatic Black woman.  Doing to the original race that you did
> to my race was beyond disgust and offense; it is contributing to the
> destruction of mankind.  If you were to also look at history by count-
> less archaeologists (Ronny Boneheadel not included); the color of the
> Israelites were dark skinned like the Arabs and Northern Africans.
> If you looked at scriptures, you would see that Jesus "had hair like
> lambswool"; therefore he had to have been a Black man (reason why
> some say "The Black Man from Asia").  The reason why most Jews are white
> is because they mixed with the Europeans.  The Celts may be a lost tribe
> of Israel, (because of Semitic-like features in Celtic people) but the
> North Europeans were definitely not one of them.  Do not put an inaccur-
> ate picture of Jesus in churches.  One church in Czestachowa, Poland,
> has a more accurate depiction of the Madonna.
 
So?  We all developed from negroes?  Is that what you're saying?
 
If that is the case, then why have Whites evolved, while negroes stayed
where they were, and are now at the bottom of the heap?
 
Les
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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Sep 26 08:11:17 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Some facts! (was: Face fact...Blacks were first.)
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Christopher Henrik Lund (christop@ifi.uio.no) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
>> Brendan J. F. Scallon (scallon@pyrotechnics.com) writes:

(snip)

>> If that is the case, then why have Whites evolved, while negroes stayed
>> where they were, and are now at the bottom of the heap?
> 
> Who says negros have "stayed where they are"? As for us "Whites" evolving,
> what makes you think this "evolving" was anything more than cosmetic?
> As for "bottom of the heap", that's where I place you.

Nyah, nyah, nyah...

You`re right, I made a mistake.  Negroes didn`t stay where they were,
they devolved at a remarkable pace.  If you`re SO blinded to reality by
your negrophilia that you can`t see the obvious, there`s no way we here
can make you see it...

Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Sep 26 08:11:18 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Murder Of White Child In LA NOT A Hate Crime???!!!
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aria (cmlewis@usc.edu) writes:
>> * Well, if they aren't in gangs, they have absolutely nothing to worry
>> * about, right?  I mean, that's what you libs have been telling us for
>> * years:  essentially, "those who live by the sword die by the sword".  I've
>> * been told that only my racism makes me a potential victim of non-white
>> * violence; Stephanie Kuhen's murder disporves that.
> 
>    ridiculous.
> 
>    you "libs".  telling "us".
> 
>    perhaps if you begin to address people on more of an individual basis,
> mr. griswold, your posts begin to have some validity.  i don't think that
> any one in this newsgroup believes that the Kuhen family "had it coming to
> them."

Perhaps not the Kuhen family, but a surprisingly large number of libs on
a.p.w-p have made the clear insinuation that I'm risking a beating from a
non-white PURELY because I'm a racist.  A while back, liberals were
drooling over the fantasies of me being sodomized by large negro inmates
in prison.  And it's not restricted to the 'Net, either; it's encountered
in the general public, where this attitude of "if I keep my head down, I
won't get hurt" is prevalent.

> what we are continually addressing is the fact that people like
> you do nothing to alleviate the situaiton with your blatant fear and
> overzealous prejudice.

Getting shot is not a valid reason for concern?  I shouldn't worry about
ethnic gangs taking pot-shots at my car if I take a wrong turn?

> the more "non-white" hate rhetoric you spout, the
> more you anger those who are "non-white", as well as those "whites" who do
> not share your views.  in your posts, you do nothing positive whatsoever,
> mr. griswold; all you do is bitch and moan about the fall of the "great
> white race" (which i have yet to see happenning, by the way).

And how do you think Whites feel about this constant, and sanctioned,
anti-White rhetoric that non-whites constantly spout?  Apathy?  Tolerance?
 
>    odd that you have not yet noticed a connection between your attacks on
> certain groups, and their subsequent retorts.  you make a blanket
> statement that you believe applies to an entire sub-group of the populace
> (asians, africans, gangmembers, latinos, etc.), and immediately you get a
> dozen different responses from a dozen different people saying a dozen
> different things.  there is usually only one thing that said detractors do
> have in common:

... and the funniest part is, they usually contradict each other, too!
 
Les


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aria (cmlewis@usc.edu) writes:
>> I don't care if she was killed in  Tokyo.  I'm concerned about the savage
>> killing of a White child REGARDLESS of where it occurs.
> 
>    no concern for "non-white" children, mr. griswold?
> 
>    how very...civilized of you.
> 
>    unfortunately, it very adequately reflects your very lopsided worldview.

In your estimation, maybe.  In my view, it simply reflects some honesty
and sincere concern for MY OWN KIND, something shared by every INTELLIGENT
being on this planet.

Les

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persons, only those who are equal.
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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Sep 26 08:12:11 PDT 1995
Article: 4383 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Some facts! (was: Face fact...Blacks were first.)
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Brendan J. F. Scallon (scallon@pyrotechnics.com) writes:
> Hello, I am a Celtic-American male from a rednecked Midwestern suburb.
> I have been checking out all the unadulterated history books and have
> found out from countless scholars that all the genetic code in all hu-
> mans all go back to the woman who was first to give birth, the origin-
> al Afro-Asiatic Black woman.  Doing to the original race that you did
> to my race was beyond disgust and offense; it is contributing to the
> destruction of mankind.  If you were to also look at history by count-
> less archaeologists (Ronny Boneheadel not included); the color of the
> Israelites were dark skinned like the Arabs and Northern Africans.
> If you looked at scriptures, you would see that Jesus "had hair like
> lambswool"; therefore he had to have been a Black man (reason why
> some say "The Black Man from Asia").  The reason why most Jews are white
> is because they mixed with the Europeans.  The Celts may be a lost tribe
> of Israel, (because of Semitic-like features in Celtic people) but the
> North Europeans were definitely not one of them.  Do not put an inaccur-
> ate picture of Jesus in churches.  One church in Czestachowa, Poland,
> has a more accurate depiction of the Madonna.
 
So?  We all developed from negroes?  Is that what you're saying?
 
If that is the case, then why have Whites evolved, while negroes stayed
where they were, and are now at the bottom of the heap?
 
Les
--
It is thought that justice is equality, and so it is, but not for all
persons, only those who are equal.
		- Aristotle


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Sep 26 08:12:12 PDT 1995
Article: 4386 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Some facts! (was: Face fact...Blacks were first.)
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Christopher Henrik Lund (christop@ifi.uio.no) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
>> Brendan J. F. Scallon (scallon@pyrotechnics.com) writes:

(snip)

>> If that is the case, then why have Whites evolved, while negroes stayed
>> where they were, and are now at the bottom of the heap?
> 
> Who says negros have "stayed where they are"? As for us "Whites" evolving,
> what makes you think this "evolving" was anything more than cosmetic?
> As for "bottom of the heap", that's where I place you.

Nyah, nyah, nyah...

You`re right, I made a mistake.  Negroes didn`t stay where they were,
they devolved at a remarkable pace.  If you`re SO blinded to reality by
your negrophilia that you can`t see the obvious, there`s no way we here
can make you see it...

Les


--
It is thought that justice is equality, and so it is, but not for all
persons, only those who are equal.
		- Aristotle


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Sep 26 08:12:13 PDT 1995
Article: 4432 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Murder Of White Child In LA NOT A Hate Crime???!!!
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aria (cmlewis@usc.edu) writes:
>> * Well, if they aren't in gangs, they have absolutely nothing to worry
>> * about, right?  I mean, that's what you libs have been telling us for
>> * years:  essentially, "those who live by the sword die by the sword".  I've
>> * been told that only my racism makes me a potential victim of non-white
>> * violence; Stephanie Kuhen's murder disporves that.
> 
>    ridiculous.
> 
>    you "libs".  telling "us".
> 
>    perhaps if you begin to address people on more of an individual basis,
> mr. griswold, your posts begin to have some validity.  i don't think that
> any one in this newsgroup believes that the Kuhen family "had it coming to
> them."

Perhaps not the Kuhen family, but a surprisingly large number of libs on
a.p.w-p have made the clear insinuation that I'm risking a beating from a
non-white PURELY because I'm a racist.  A while back, liberals were
drooling over the fantasies of me being sodomized by large negro inmates
in prison.  And it's not restricted to the 'Net, either; it's encountered
in the general public, where this attitude of "if I keep my head down, I
won't get hurt" is prevalent.

> what we are continually addressing is the fact that people like
> you do nothing to alleviate the situaiton with your blatant fear and
> overzealous prejudice.

Getting shot is not a valid reason for concern?  I shouldn't worry about
ethnic gangs taking pot-shots at my car if I take a wrong turn?

> the more "non-white" hate rhetoric you spout, the
> more you anger those who are "non-white", as well as those "whites" who do
> not share your views.  in your posts, you do nothing positive whatsoever,
> mr. griswold; all you do is bitch and moan about the fall of the "great
> white race" (which i have yet to see happenning, by the way).

And how do you think Whites feel about this constant, and sanctioned,
anti-White rhetoric that non-whites constantly spout?  Apathy?  Tolerance?
 
>    odd that you have not yet noticed a connection between your attacks on
> certain groups, and their subsequent retorts.  you make a blanket
> statement that you believe applies to an entire sub-group of the populace
> (asians, africans, gangmembers, latinos, etc.), and immediately you get a
> dozen different responses from a dozen different people saying a dozen
> different things.  there is usually only one thing that said detractors do
> have in common:

... and the funniest part is, they usually contradict each other, too!
 
Les


--
It is thought that justice is equality, and so it is, but not for all
persons, only those who are equal.
		- Aristotle


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Article: 4446 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Niggers United Against Racism
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Abdou Kama (akama@ucla.edu) writes:

(snip)
 
> I haven't, and my ancestors haven't either.(Remember I'm from Africa, devil!)

So you're an ungrateful swine who engages in biting the hand that feeds
him.  We're supposed to be impressed?

(snip)

>>As a further exercise, familiarize yourself with the period known as
>>"Reconstruction", and read all about the violations of social norms
>>imposed at bayonet point by the Northern states.  Then get back to us.
> 
> These so-called "Social norms" (funny choice of words, Les) were to beat up
> blacks, segregate them in inferior schools,

Inferior to what the Whites had for themselves, sure.  Far superior to
anything found in Africa.

> enact stupid laws with grandfather clauses, lynch them once a while in order
> to scare them and traumatize them.  Prevent them from owning land (remember
> the Oklahoma land rush? that was Reconstruction wasn't it?) I agree with
> you one one point: Lynchings were not senseless killings. There was an
> objective: to drill into the black population consciousness that whites
> were all-powerful and could perpetrate the worse acts of savagery for the
> pettiest or no reason at all. Example:Argue with a white: you're dead!
> Obvious message:  whites can do whatever they want to blacks. Subliminal
> message: Don't even think about gaining equality, look how bad and wicked
> we are.

And lynching is different from necklacing how, exactly?

Les


--
It is thought that justice is equality, and so it is, but not for all
persons, only those who are equal.
		- Aristotle


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Sep 26 08:12:14 PDT 1995
Article: 4452 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Murder Of White Child In LA NOT A Hate Crime???!!!
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aria (cmlewis@usc.edu) writes:
>> I don't care if she was killed in  Tokyo.  I'm concerned about the savage
>> killing of a White child REGARDLESS of where it occurs.
> 
>    no concern for "non-white" children, mr. griswold?
> 
>    how very...civilized of you.
> 
>    unfortunately, it very adequately reflects your very lopsided worldview.

In your estimation, maybe.  In my view, it simply reflects some honesty
and sincere concern for MY OWN KIND, something shared by every INTELLIGENT
being on this planet.

Les

--
It is thought that justice is equality, and so it is, but not for all
persons, only those who are equal.
		- Aristotle


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Sep 26 10:18:53 PDT 1995
Article: 3247 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Murder Of White Child In LA NOT A Hate Crime???!!!
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Anonymous IU Student (student@indiana.edu) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>Civilized Man (student@ucs.indiana.edu) writes:
>>> The following is a unaltered news report from Reuter.  This is 
>>> indicative of how white people act en masse to race.  They complain
>>> about not having a society where race is not a factor. 'Why is there
>>> a black history month? black student unions? Black Entertainment TV,
>>> affirmative action?..blah, blah, blah." You devils are so hypocritical.
>>> Like I said earlier, had this been an innocent little Latino or black, 
>>> child, as usual, this would not have caused a whimper from you people.
>>> Hundreds of little Latino and black children are murdered by these
>>> slavish, barbarian gangsters annually. Now a little Ayran girl is 
>>> killed and you demons see this as a race war against euros. Well, this
>>> is only the reaction of the most foolish of you, but the white masses
>>> certainly view these street thugs as particularly hostile to whites,
>>> when the truth is that they murder there own people many times more than
>>> euros.
>> 
>>So who cares if these gang members mow every last one of themselves down? 
>>Would the world be missing ANYTHING if these gangs disappeared overnight?
> 
> Lester, if your reading skills were up to par, you would have noticed
> that I said "innocent Latino or black" children are often killed, 
> not other ruthless gangsters. This is your little attempt to convince
> other whites that it is ok to harbor such barbaric feelings of
> antipathy when children of color are slayed by these gangster thugs.
> But express rage only when its a little Aryan. But, of course, you 
> people a never racist! You only look at the content of character.

Uh, "Civilized Man", I've never DENIED being a racist.  My definition of
racist is, I care ONLY about my own race's benefit.  But unlike you, I'm
not a hypocrite about it.  I don't say, "That other guy is racist, so it's
okay if I'm racist, too!".  I'm pro-White.  If a course of action will
benefit ALL races, INCLUDING the White race, then I'm all for it.  But if
another race's well-being is detrimental, to the White race, you can bet
that I'm going to speak out and act against it.

Les


--
It is thought that justice is equality, and so it is, but not for all
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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Sep 26 10:30:36 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Timeless White poetry...
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SCOTS, WHA HAE, by Robby Burns


	I

Scots, wha hae wi' Wallace bled,
Scots, wham Bruce has aften led,
Welcome to you gory bed,
		Or to victorie!


	II

Now's the day, and now's the hour;
See the front o' battle lour,
See approach proud Edward's power--
		Chains and slaverie!


	III

Wha will be a traitor knave?
Wha can fill a coward's grave?
Wha sae base as be a slave?--
		Let him turn, and flee!


	IV

Wha for Scotland's King and Law
Freedom's sword will strongly draw,
Freeman stand or freeman fa',
		Let him follow me!


	V

By Oppression's woes and pains,
By your sons in servile chains,
We shall drain our dearest veins
		But they shall be free!


	VI

Lay the proud usurpers low!
Tyrants fall in every blow!
Liberty's in every blow!
		Let us do, or die!

---

Les
--
It is thought that justice is equality, and so it is, but not for all
persons, only those who are equal.
		- Aristotle


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Sep 26 10:30:37 PDT 1995
Article: 3249 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Freedom...
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Here's freedom to them that would read,
Here's freedom to them that would write.
There's none ever feared that the truth should be heard;
But they whom the truth would indict.

		-- Robby Burns

---

Les

--
It is thought that justice is equality, and so it is, but not for all
persons, only those who are equal.
		- Aristotle


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Sep 28 15:04:31 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Griswold's foot back in his mouth.
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Ken McVay OBC (kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca) writes:
> In article , 
> cmlewis@usc.edu (aria) wrote:
> 
> [Griswold]
> 
> Why do negroes always cry racism and oppression, when they could follow
> the example of the orientals, not belly-ache about "racism", get down to
> work, and actually succeed? 
> 
> [aria: views regarding Griswold's question]
> 
> Perhaps you missed the significance of Mr. Griswold's latest
> foray into rationality, aria.
> 
> For some time now, he and his cronies have told us that Blacks
> are incapable of achievement - smaller brains, different
> earwax, stuff like that.
> 
> Until now.
> 
> Now he makes his hypocrisy clear, suggesting that indeed,
> Blacks _can_ achieve, if they would only "get down to work,
> and actually succeed."

No, I don't.  If you'd read the entire message, instead of clipping it
just to havethe parts that you can use to make your vapid point, you'd be
forced to admit that I SAID that negroes wouldn't be ABLE to improve their
position by working hard.  The racism bit is a convenient excuse - without
it, it would be as plain as the splayed noses on their faces that they're
incompetents.

(snip)

Les



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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Sep 28 15:05:53 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Ten Things All Minorities Should Do
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Abdou Kama (akama@ucla.edu) writes:

(snip, although Abba's ignorance cries out for repliying)
 
>> 2.Read "The Bell Curve."
> I read it and I think it says that two minorities are on top of the 
> curve: Jews and Asians. I guess your sheep brain couldn't understand 
> that part.

Have you ever noticed that jews consider themselves White when they can
get advantages for doing so, but consider themselves a minority when
THAT'S to their advantage?

Les

P.S.:  How high of a GPA would you have gotten if my "devil ancestors" had
left your sorry black ass in Africa?

--
It is thought that justice is equality, and so it is, but not for all
persons, only those who are equal.
		- Aristotle


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Sep 28 15:05:54 PDT 1995
Article: 4516 of alt.politics.white-power
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Ken McVay OBC (kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca) writes:
> In article , 
> cmlewis@usc.edu (aria) wrote:
> 
> [Griswold]
> 
> Why do negroes always cry racism and oppression, when they could follow
> the example of the orientals, not belly-ache about "racism", get down to
> work, and actually succeed? 
> 
> [aria: views regarding Griswold's question]
> 
> Perhaps you missed the significance of Mr. Griswold's latest
> foray into rationality, aria.
> 
> For some time now, he and his cronies have told us that Blacks
> are incapable of achievement - smaller brains, different
> earwax, stuff like that.
> 
> Until now.
> 
> Now he makes his hypocrisy clear, suggesting that indeed,
> Blacks _can_ achieve, if they would only "get down to work,
> and actually succeed."

No, I don't.  If you'd read the entire message, instead of clipping it
just to havethe parts that you can use to make your vapid point, you'd be
forced to admit that I SAID that negroes wouldn't be ABLE to improve their
position by working hard.  The racism bit is a convenient excuse - without
it, it would be as plain as the splayed noses on their faces that they're
incompetents.

(snip)

Les



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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Sep 28 15:05:55 PDT 1995
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Joseph Acosta (WWDA31B@prodigy.com) writes:
> You white power people are G-ds way of showing how useless a life can be.

Piss off, jew.

Les


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... is so that the jews can say, "Look!  See?  Not all jews are for
stricter gun control!"  They're embarrassed by the preponderance of jewish
names in the gun-grabbing lobby, like Schumaker and Metzenbaum, and so
they've formed a kosher pro-gun group.
 
It also allows them to play the "Hitler was a gun-grabber!" card.  This
simply isn't true.
 
Les
--
It is thought that justice is equality, and so it is, but not for all
persons, only those who are equal.
		- Aristotle


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Sep 28 20:21:32 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Niggers United Against Racism
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aria (cmlewis@usc.edu) writes:
>> There are some mighty big assumptions there:
>> 
>> 1)  That I believe anything POSITIVE would come of integration;
> 
>    i said nothing about integration.  stop trying to think for me, mr.
> griswold, and answer the question.

You didn't use the word "integration", but that was clearly the concept
that you were pushing.  Stop acting like a wounded primma donna when
someone nails you, aria, or whatever you're calling yourself this week.

>> 2)  That's it's possible to educate non-whites to become just like Whites.
> 
>    once again, no one said anything about "non-whites" becoming "whites". 

So, what WERE you saying?  That we should educate non-whites to fit in to
White society, or that we should destroy White society to accomodate a
bunch of non-whites?

> your one-track mind is becoming very, very annoying.

Well, if you'd actually SAY something, instead of playing these jewish
games of implying one thing, then screaming about "assumptions" when
people follow your train of thought, maybe we could go somewhere.  But, if
all you're interested in is being an ass, then forget it.

Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Sep 28 20:21:33 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: It's funny...
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... the libs keep asking the same questions, like is it okay to
miscegenate, getting their answers, slinking off to lick their wounds, and
then returning to ask the very same questions!  Either they're ignorant,
or genuinely stupid!

Les

--
It is thought that justice is equality, and so it is, but not for all
persons, only those who are equal.
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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Sep 28 20:21:34 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: The Heartless Brutality of Negroes
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Jeremy Petrisor (xjerempe@ssimicro.com) writes:
> In article <44ar5a$rq4@marvin.scsn.net>, marlow@scsn.net says...
>>
>>        Last night, while watching CNN, I saw a story about a pregnant 
>>negress in Chicago who was killed in an auto accident.  As she lay dying, 
>>a large group of negroes gathered around her.
>>
>>        Were they helping her?
>>
>>        Absolutely not.  They were robbing the bellywarmer blind.
>>
>>        This is further proof that negroes are ignorant, brutal beasts; 
>>perhaps, considering the behavior of these Chicago negroes, they are some 
>>of the basest, most vile beasts on the face of the planet.
>>
> 
> An awful story.  Have you also heard about the black woman who was attacked and 
> forced to jump off a very high bridge in detroit?
> 
> Guess what?  Black people did help her.  Two of them, in fact, jumped off the 
> bridge and tried to rescue her.  They never left her, even when the police 
> showed up, despite the fact that there were warrents out on both of them.

You might also want to mention that the guy who pushed her/forced her to
jump off the bridge was ALSO a negro.  Kind of inconvenient, I know, but
true nonetheless.
 
> So you see, blacks, like whites and everybody else, are human beings.  There 
> are good folks and bad folks in every ethnic group.  

Situation:  a negro forces Deletha Ward to jump off a bridge (or pushes
her), but not all negroes are beasts; a couple try to help her, and all
negroes are angels.

Situation:  White truck driver Reginald Denny is dragged from his truck
and beaten to within an inch of his life, but not all negroes are beasts; 
four negroes decide to help him, and all negroes are angels.

See a bit of hypocrisy there?

Les


--
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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Sep 28 20:21:34 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Joseph Acosta (WWDA31B@prodigy.com) writes:

(snip)

> I myself  believe you are a bunch of inbred pickup truck driving beer 
> chugging shitheads.  By the way, Happy New  Year.

And I myself believe that you jews are a bunch of baby-kidnappers, not to
mention people we have to watch out for around Passover.

Les


--
It is thought that justice is equality, and so it is, but not for all
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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Sep 28 20:21:35 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Niggers United Against Racism
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aria (cmlewis@usc.edu) writes:
>    mr. griswold...
> 
>    why not start dealing with the world on a more open-minded basis?  that
> is to say, instead of sitting around complaining about how much damage
> "non-whites" are doing to the world, why not start asking what you can do
> to educate these "non-whites" so that they will no longer be a so-called
> "threat"?

There are some mighty big assumptions there:

1)  That I believe anything POSITIVE would come of integration;

2)  That's it's possible to educate non-whites to become just like Whites.

Tell me, have you ever heard of Albert Schweitzer?  He was this German who
gave up a promising medical career to go live among the negroes around the
turn of the century.  After some exposure to them, he knew the score.  How
many negro doctors did he train?  NONE.  His attitude towards the negro
was, "I am your brother, it is true; but your elder brother."  Now, which
lib here wants the fun job of saying that Schweitzer was a racist?

Les


--
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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Sep 30 08:45:14 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Joel Rosenberg (joelr@winternet.com) writes:
> In article  bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
> 
> 
>>... how the moral worth of an individual or group is determined SOLELY by
>>that individual or group's attitude towards jews.
> 
> Nope, it isn't.

Geez, Jojo, if I didn't know you were a jew, I'd say that your arrogance
is breath-taking.  But for someone of your tribe, it's merely run-of-the-mill.

Les


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Andy Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>   :... how the moral worth of an individual or group is determined SOLELY by
>   :that individual or group's attitude towards jews.
> 
> Interesting indeed, Les. Rev. Ron only finds a church acceptible when it
> slaughters them, or condones their slaughter. You expressed grudging
> approval of the Nation of Islam based on Farrakhan's hatred of Jews.

Really?  When did I do that?

> Hating Jews is the litmus test for YOUR side fo the debate.
> 
> You raised it. You explain it. I'm at a loss.

Typical liberal response:  when asked a question, demand that the
questioner answer his own question!
 
Les


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Joel Rosenberg (joelr@winternet.com) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>>Joel Rosenberg (joelr@winternet.com) writes:
>>> In article  bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
>>> 
>>>>... how the moral worth of an individual or group is determined SOLELY by
>>>>that individual or group's attitude towards jews.
>>> 
>>> Nope, it isn't.
> 
>>Geez, Jojo, if I didn't know you were a jew, I'd say that your arrogance
>>is breath-taking.  But for someone of your tribe, it's merely run-of-the-mill.
> 
> You probably should reread your own sentence, Bungalow Boy.  It
> doesn't have many large words.  

Watchoo talking about, Jojo?  I simply said that you were an arrogant jew.
 I think I called it right, too. 

Waddaya think, guys?  Is Jojo arrogant, or what?

Les

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Raggedy (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:

(snip)

> Once again, Les, you used one of your moldiest old tactics--asked the
> opposition to defend a behavior they do not exhibit. In fact, the behavior
> you described is far more typical of your side of the debate. The exchange
> goes something like this:
> 
>      Les:  The Jews control the banks, the Jews control the government, 
>            the Jews control the media, the Jews control the world. The Jews 
>            are responsible for my impotence. The Jews made the milk in my 
>            refridgerator go bad. The Jews ran over my dog.
> 
>      *.*:  [any form of disagreement]
> 
>      Les:  What is it with you people? Why are you so obsessed with the Jews?

You know, Raggedy, your brazenness knows no bounds.  It's astounding, it
truly is, that you guys have the bare-faced audacity to accuse us of
employing the tactics that you commonly use.

Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Sep 30 10:02:21 PDT 1995
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William R. Discipio Jr (discipio@crl.com) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> 
> Ah Les, I mean Milt, no no I mean Evelyn, have you lynched anybody today?
> 
> : ... is so that the jews can say, "Look!  See?  Not all jews are for
> : stricter gun control!"  They're embarrassed by the preponderance of jewish
> : names in the gun-grabbing lobby, like Schumaker and Metzenbaum, and so
> : they've formed a kosher pro-gun group.
> 
> : It also allows them to play the "Hitler was a gun-grabber!" card.  This
> : simply isn't true.

Feel sure enough to test out your convictions?  Well, you can start by
going to 

	http://www.natvan.com

and reading some FACTS about gun laws in Hitler's Germany.  Of course,
this is something that you won't do, and you'll encourage all of your
sheepish followers to follow suit, since facts can be so darned
inconvenient in your line of propaganda.

Les


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Abdou Kama (akama@ucla.edu) writes:
>>And why don't you ask yourself why it's called the slave TRADE?  I know, I
>>know, the helpless negro chieftans in Afreaka were too ignorant to know
>>what was going on, and were all gosh-darned awed by them Europeans, but
>>still.  Selling one's racial kinsmen into slavery is unique to the negro
>>race.
> Les, once again you prove your ignorance. Did you know that White Eastern europeans in the Balkans used to vonluntarily GIVE UP thei=
> r sons as Military Slaves to their Turkish overlords? So these, after loyal service to the Turkish emperor could buy their freedom a=
> nd prestige through military service  and come back to their homelands with power, land and prestige. This ignomous practice by Whit=
> e Europeans was called the Devsherime and was not abolished until the end of the 19th century (1876 I believe). after the military s=
> laves (they were called Janissaries) became more and more rowdy and started fomenting coups and assasination attempts. The Turkish E=
> mperors realized that they could not trust these sneaky devils and abolished the practice. Check it out!

Amazing!  So, then, negroes were not the ONLY slaves in the world, right? 
Gee, you must forgive me for thinking so, after all, one never hears
Whites grousing about how hard done by they were for hundreds of years. 
I've never even heard of the Bosnians griping about their former "slavery".

> I have more respect for one=
> who sell his kinsman (in fact a war enemy) for immediate monetary gain than one who gives up HIS BELOVED SONS for an uncertain gain=
> How stupid is that? Les, all bad feelings put aside, check out the history of the white military slaves it is an very educating st=
> ory. It will help you understand how a lot of eastern europeans became muslims and why the serbs hate the muslims.Bosnian muslims ar=
> e the descendants of those military slaves who would come back to their homelands and kick their former countrymen asses. (And you t=
> ell me that whites don't inflict violence on their own kind? Please devil, please!). I'll keep the facts coming! 

"Facts"?  More like your half-assed fantasies.

Les


--
It is thought that justice is equality, and so it is, but not for all
persons, only those who are equal.
		- Aristotle


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Sep 30 10:02:23 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Negroes:  Morons or masochists?
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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
> * If negroes have been so sorely abused over the centuries, WHY AREN'T THEY
> * TAKING ANY MEASURES TO SEGREGATE THEMSELVES FROM THEIR (supposed)
> * ABUSERS???
> 
> Here we see Les trivialize the brutality of slavery and systematic racism
> in the same way that he has reduced the Holocaust into a "Holohoax sob
> story". Les, what would you do if you could not dehumanize, trivialize,
> demonize, stereotype or brutalize other groups of people? Would you
> possibly learn to face your own fears and start living in the real world?

Crazy, I don't know HOW I could ever have disagreed with you!  You are
just SOOO right, and everything I have ever believed is SOOO wrong!  Gawd,
you're an inspiration to us all!

(snip - a whole bunch of Crazy's diatribe deleted.  It was as boring as
her usual fare, anyway)
 
> Uh, Les -- before you get the idea that you and your shriveled up, you
> know, actually rule anything, you might want to look around and see that
> women are half of the adults in the society that you're gushing over.
> Between the women, the liberals, the people of color, etc., who don't
> support any-fucking-thing that you say, all that you really control is
> when you decide to take a leak.

Here we see again the liberal retort of "You guys are outnumbered, so sit
the fuck down and shut the fuck up!"  Kinda lays bare the impressive
intellectual foundation of liberalism, doesn't it?

Les

--
It is thought that justice is equality, and so it is, but not for all
persons, only those who are equal.
		- Aristotle


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Sep 30 10:02:24 PDT 1995
Article: 3429 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: The ONLY reason for the JPFO...
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Bite Me ATF (staywet@utkvx.utk.edu) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes...
>>.... is so that the jews can say, "Look!  See?  Not all jews are for
>>stricter gun control!"  They're embarrassed by the preponderance of jewish
>>names in the gun-grabbing lobby, like Schumaker and Metzenbaum, and so
>>they've formed a kosher pro-gun group.
> 
> what A BUNCH OF FREAKEN CRAP, 
> 
> and the group is not pro-gun, they are pro freedom/liberty.   The rkba is only
> a means to insure that
> 
>> 
>>It also allows them to play the "Hitler was a gun-grabber!" card.  This
>>simply isn't true.
>> 
> 
> please enlighten me, what is the "truth"?
> one of the best things about jpfo is that they document everything extremmely
> well. so lets see your documentation.

Well, the truth, which you probably won't want to see, can be found on the
National Alliance's webpage, at http://www.natvan.com.  I get the distinct
impression, however, that you won't take me up on it.  You talk a good
game, but from your reaction, anything that doesn't take a worshipful
attitude towards jews is automatically "anti-semitic crap".

Has anyone ever noticed that the worth of a group is determined SOLELY by
that group's attitude towards jews?

Les


--
It is thought that justice is equality, and so it is, but not for all
persons, only those who are equal.
		- Aristotle


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Sep 30 10:02:25 PDT 1995
Article: 3435 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Negroes:  Morons or masochists?
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Abdou Kama (akama@ucla.edu) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>If negroes have been so sorely abused over the centuries, WHY AREN'T THEY
>>TAKING ANY MEASURES TO SEGREGATE THEMSELVES FROM THEIR (supposed)
>>ABUSERS???  Instead, we see a whole bunch of negroes shooting off their
>>mouths about how bad their ancestors were supposedly treated, but not ONE
>>of these miserable whiners is lifting a FINGER to do anything positive
>>about it.  I mean, WHY are they staying in the White man's society?  Isn't
>>it sort of galling to be in the same society as the descendants of their
>>oppressors?
>>
> You poor bastard! A lot of Blacks would be delighted if they could wake up one morning and see that all you guys have packed and mov=
> ed to your place of origin: good old Europe. However, the problem is that we are stuck with you guys. As good civilized neighboors a=
> re supposed to, we have to work out our differences and come up some ways to live together in harmony. Africans have worked too damn=
>  hard in this country( for free!) to just give up their share of ressources they are entitled to and leave. This is not the white ma=
> n's society, you idiot: this is a multicultural society dominated by the white man. We want our share of the pie!  And since this is=
>  a lawful society where the concept of liability is honored, we also want to be compensated for past abuses. Once the white componen=
> t of this society does that the "whining" will stop. Hey, we'll even be delighted to fuck our white neighbors and  enjoy their compa=
> ny. Not that we're not doing it now but...hmm, let's say it will be on a happier note. 

Typical.  You resort to the argument that "people of colour" built this
country (ie, the U.S.), and start whining about how they "deserve"
something.  You ungrateful swine, you and yours have been given much, much
more than you ever lost.  YOU personally have never worked as a slave, yet
you keep flogging us with that, as if slavery (under Whites) was the worst
thing that ever happened to you.  Compared to what would have been their
likely fate under negro ownership, negroes here had it VERY easy.

Les

--
It is thought that justice is equality, and so it is, but not for all
persons, only those who are equal.
		- Aristotle


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Sep 30 10:07:08 PDT 1995
Article: 4719 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: SHOULD THE RACIST IDIOTS BE NEUTERED?... NAH, NEGROES SHOULD
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Abdou Kama (akama@ucla.edu) writes:
> Considering that Les Grease-mold, rev. Clown, the Aryan Masturbator 
> etc.. are psychopaths and will probably transmit their hatred and 
> genocidal views to their children. Also considering the potential for 
> sexual and emotional abuse that these kids are exposed to I think it is 
> in the best interest of mankind to have these poor souls neutered. All 
> opinions are welcome.

Isn't it funny that the ones with the out-of-control breeding always talk
about birth control?

Les


--
It is thought that justice is equality, and so it is, but not for all
persons, only those who are equal.
		- Aristotle


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Sep 30 10:07:08 PDT 1995
Article: 4722 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Why negroes cry racism...
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Abdou Kama (akama@ucla.edu) writes:
>>And why don't you ask yourself why it's called the slave TRADE?  I know, I
>>know, the helpless negro chieftans in Afreaka were too ignorant to know
>>what was going on, and were all gosh-darned awed by them Europeans, but
>>still.  Selling one's racial kinsmen into slavery is unique to the negro
>>race.
> Les, once again you prove your ignorance. Did you know that White Eastern europeans in the Balkans used to vonluntarily GIVE UP thei=
> r sons as Military Slaves to their Turkish overlords? So these, after loyal service to the Turkish emperor could buy their freedom a=
> nd prestige through military service  and come back to their homelands with power, land and prestige. This ignomous practice by Whit=
> e Europeans was called the Devsherime and was not abolished until the end of the 19th century (1876 I believe). after the military s=
> laves (they were called Janissaries) became more and more rowdy and started fomenting coups and assasination attempts. The Turkish E=
> mperors realized that they could not trust these sneaky devils and abolished the practice. Check it out!

Amazing!  So, then, negroes were not the ONLY slaves in the world, right? 
Gee, you must forgive me for thinking so, after all, one never hears
Whites grousing about how hard done by they were for hundreds of years. 
I've never even heard of the Bosnians griping about their former "slavery".

> I have more respect for one=
> who sell his kinsman (in fact a war enemy) for immediate monetary gain than one who gives up HIS BELOVED SONS for an uncertain gain=
> How stupid is that? Les, all bad feelings put aside, check out the history of the white military slaves it is an very educating st=
> ory. It will help you understand how a lot of eastern europeans became muslims and why the serbs hate the muslims.Bosnian muslims ar=
> e the descendants of those military slaves who would come back to their homelands and kick their former countrymen asses. (And you t=
> ell me that whites don't inflict violence on their own kind? Please devil, please!). I'll keep the facts coming! 

"Facts"?  More like your half-assed fantasies.

Les


--
It is thought that justice is equality, and so it is, but not for all
persons, only those who are equal.
		- Aristotle


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Sep 30 10:07:09 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Negroes:  Morons or masochists?
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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
> * If negroes have been so sorely abused over the centuries, WHY AREN'T THEY
> * TAKING ANY MEASURES TO SEGREGATE THEMSELVES FROM THEIR (supposed)
> * ABUSERS???
> 
> Here we see Les trivialize the brutality of slavery and systematic racism
> in the same way that he has reduced the Holocaust into a "Holohoax sob
> story". Les, what would you do if you could not dehumanize, trivialize,
> demonize, stereotype or brutalize other groups of people? Would you
> possibly learn to face your own fears and start living in the real world?

Crazy, I don't know HOW I could ever have disagreed with you!  You are
just SOOO right, and everything I have ever believed is SOOO wrong!  Gawd,
you're an inspiration to us all!

(snip - a whole bunch of Crazy's diatribe deleted.  It was as boring as
her usual fare, anyway)
 
> Uh, Les -- before you get the idea that you and your shriveled up, you
> know, actually rule anything, you might want to look around and see that
> women are half of the adults in the society that you're gushing over.
> Between the women, the liberals, the people of color, etc., who don't
> support any-fucking-thing that you say, all that you really control is
> when you decide to take a leak.

Here we see again the liberal retort of "You guys are outnumbered, so sit
the fuck down and shut the fuck up!"  Kinda lays bare the impressive
intellectual foundation of liberalism, doesn't it?

Les

--
It is thought that justice is equality, and so it is, but not for all
persons, only those who are equal.
		- Aristotle


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Sep 30 10:07:10 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Negroes:  Morons or masochists?
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Ronald Schoedel (ChrIdent@cris.com) writes:
> evil Beavis  wrote:
>>>   bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
>>>  If negroes have been so sorely abused over the centuries, WHY AREN'T THEY
>>>  TAKING ANY MEASURES TO SEGREGATE THEMSELVES FROM THEIR (supposed)
>>>  ABUSERS???  Instead, we see a whole bunch of negroes shooting off their
>>>  mouths about how bad their ancestors were supposedly treated, but not ONE
>>>  of these miserable whiners is lifting a FINGER to do anything positive
>>>  about it.  I mean, WHY are they staying in the White man's society?  Isn't
>>>  it sort of galling to be in the same society as the descendants of their
>>>  oppressors?
>>
>>Why are you staying in "civilized" people's society??
>>
>>eB
> 
> Well, well Beaver.  What a come-back.  Gee Les, isn't holding debate 
> with the Beav just great?  I mean, this little boy is *impressive*!!!!

Well, if one overlooks his drooling while thinking about feet.

Talking with Beaver is like bashing one's head against a wall:  it quickly
sinks in that it's an exercise in futility.  Actually, that's the animus
behind most liberals:  it may not have worked BEFORE, but honest!  it'll
work this time!

Liberals are either stupid or malevolent.

Les



--
It is thought that justice is equality, and so it is, but not for all
persons, only those who are equal.
		- Aristotle


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Sep 30 10:07:11 PDT 1995
Article: 4783 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Grego, Liberal Of the Week!
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The Racial Theorist (xyz@scsn.net) writes:
> folks:
> 
> 	this week i'd like to nominate my favorite minority member on the ng,
> grego, as lib of the week.
> 
> 	and i also want to say that after reading the posts of grego, i'm more
> friendly toward ygg's idea of letting hispanics being a part of the
> native white homeland.

Unfortunately, hispanics don't belong in a native White homeland anymore
than jews or negroes do.  That the occasional "smart" or "funny" beaner
should not be taken as indicative that any of them are desirable.

> i also like steve garza a decent bit, but
> steve can get a little long winded sometimes and he can be boring.

Now THAT'S the understatement of the year!  That's akin to saying that
Joel Rosenboig is just a teensy bit arrogant.

> 	i just want to say that unlike the other minorties we've got here on
> the ng, i think these two hispanics sometimes make meaninful
> contributions to the discussion on the ng.

Yes, compared to all-noise/no-substance types like Abdrool Kama, C.M., and
aloysius/aria.  

Les


--
It is thought that justice is equality, and so it is, but not for all
persons, only those who are equal.
		- Aristotle


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Sep 30 10:07:12 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: Negroes:  Morons or masochists?
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Abdou Kama (akama@ucla.edu) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>If negroes have been so sorely abused over the centuries, WHY AREN'T THEY
>>TAKING ANY MEASURES TO SEGREGATE THEMSELVES FROM THEIR (supposed)
>>ABUSERS???  Instead, we see a whole bunch of negroes shooting off their
>>mouths about how bad their ancestors were supposedly treated, but not ONE
>>of these miserable whiners is lifting a FINGER to do anything positive
>>about it.  I mean, WHY are they staying in the White man's society?  Isn't
>>it sort of galling to be in the same society as the descendants of their
>>oppressors?
>>
> You poor bastard! A lot of Blacks would be delighted if they could wake up one morning and see that all you guys have packed and mov=
> ed to your place of origin: good old Europe. However, the problem is that we are stuck with you guys. As good civilized neighboors a=
> re supposed to, we have to work out our differences and come up some ways to live together in harmony. Africans have worked too damn=
>  hard in this country( for free!) to just give up their share of ressources they are entitled to and leave. This is not the white ma=
> n's society, you idiot: this is a multicultural society dominated by the white man. We want our share of the pie!  And since this is=
>  a lawful society where the concept of liability is honored, we also want to be compensated for past abuses. Once the white componen=
> t of this society does that the "whining" will stop. Hey, we'll even be delighted to fuck our white neighbors and  enjoy their compa=
> ny. Not that we're not doing it now but...hmm, let's say it will be on a happier note. 

Typical.  You resort to the argument that "people of colour" built this
country (ie, the U.S.), and start whining about how they "deserve"
something.  You ungrateful swine, you and yours have been given much, much
more than you ever lost.  YOU personally have never worked as a slave, yet
you keep flogging us with that, as if slavery (under Whites) was the worst
thing that ever happened to you.  Compared to what would have been their
likely fate under negro ownership, negroes here had it VERY easy.

Les

--
It is thought that justice is equality, and so it is, but not for all
persons, only those who are equal.
		- Aristotle


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Sep 30 10:07:13 PDT 1995
Article: 4788 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: SHOULD THE RACIST IDIOTS BE NEUTERED?... NAH, NEGROES SHOULD
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Andy Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>   :Isn't it funny that the ones with the out-of-control breeding always talk
>   :about birth control?
> 
> How many children does Mr. Kama have?
> 
> How many children do you have?
> 
> There you go.

There I go, what?  I KNOW who my kids are, and I'm caring for them.

Les



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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Sep 30 10:07:14 PDT 1995
Article: 4789 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Another amusing thing about liberals!
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(knock it off, you guys!  My sides are hurting from laughing so much!)

Anyway, ANOTHER amusing thing about liberals is how they revel in imposing
their viewpoints on others.  When they're not the ones wielding power,
they're all for free debate (we've seen a couple of snivellers whining
here for some "reasoned debate", ie we let THEM call US names, but when WE
call THEM names, it's not reasoned debate anymore).  When they DO have
power (or believe that they do), one sees what liberals are REALLY like
(ie, oppressive laws, "racism" and "sexism" thrown about at anyone who
disagrees with them).  Why can't they see the transparency of their
"ideology"?

Les

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It is thought that justice is equality, and so it is, but not for all
persons, only those who are equal.
		- Aristotle


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Oct  1 08:13:41 PDT 1995
Article: 3551 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Isn't it amazing...
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Andy "Big floppy cloth doll" Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:

(snip)

> You opened this thread by asking why any group is evaluated based solely
> on their attitude toward Jews. The clear implication was that this is a
> tactic employed by the opposition. It is equally clear that the only
> people obsessed with Jews in this group are those who believe that a
> secret Jewish cabal is running the world.
> 
> Let me clarify my position, which I believe is held by many in this group.
> Jews are just another one of dozens of ethnic groups in America. I oppose
           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Uh, oh!  The jews are not gonna like that one!  You've committed TWO major
boo-boos there:

1)  You've equated the jews with just everybody else.  That's GUARANTEED
to piss them off.  They're NOT like everybody else, they're "God's Chosen
People".  Geez, don't you know ANYTHING?

2)  You've classified them as an "ethnic group".  You should know that the
jews NEVER want to be pinned down on the question of whether they're a
religion or a racial group, so that they can alternate between
classifications as it suits them.  Fuck, you're losing it.

> any effort to kill, detain, forcibly repatriate, or consign to second-class
> citizenship any of them. 
> 
> Clear enough?

And I don't share your "open mindedness".  Clear enough?

Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Oct  1 08:16:45 PDT 1995
Article: 4968 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Crazy Jeannie loses it!!!
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In alt.politics.white-power Ronald Schoedel  said: 
>jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu (Crazy Jeannie) wrote: 
 
>>Your big problem is that you cannot comprehend that I mean what I say and
>>say what I mean. FOAD, cockroach-boy. 
                   ^^^^ 
> WHOA!  Les, I think you must've hit a nerve!!!  Ol' Crazy Jeannie took the
> fat slovenly whore remark a bit personally it seems....hmmm....I know the real
> reason Robby hasn't been around here lately....Crazy Jeannie has been a
> heckuva lot more IRRITABLE and CRANKY lately, I've noticed.  Probably drove
> the poor boy away...   

>Rev. Ron 

Yep, seems that Crazy is losing it.  She's trying to float the story that
her better half is having problems with his service provider... yeah, like
we buy that one.  What sort of fucking dummy would stick with a service
provider that is supposedly that crappy, anyway?

Les


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It is thought that justice is equality, and so it is, but not for all
persons, only those who are equal.
		- Aristotle


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Oct  1 08:16:46 PDT 1995
Article: 4969 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: BLACK MAN DESTROYS WHITE DEVIL!!!!!
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aria (cmlewis@usc.edu) writes:
>    anyone see the tyson fight last august...?

Yeah, they probably told Tyson that the White guy was gonna take his
chitlins away...

Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Oct  1 08:16:47 PDT 1995
Article: 4982 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Crazy Jeannie loses it!!!
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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:
> In article <44i8re$jnl@spectator.cris.com>, Ronald Schoedel
>  wrote:
> 
> * jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu (Crazy Jeannie) wrote:
> * 
> * >Your big problem is that you cannot comprehend that I mean what I say and
> * >say what I mean. FOAD, cockroach-boy.
> * >                 ^^^^
> * >* Les
> * >who can't believe that everyone isn't a shallow, self-serving hypocrite
> * >on alt.white.inbred.losers
> * >
> * >Jeanne K.
> * >
> * 
> * WHOA!  Les, I think you must've hit a nerve!!! 
> 
> Aren't you and Les getting tired of all of your atta-boy bun slapping with
> each other? You two are getting awfully cozy lately between your radio
> show performances and huddling to plan your white man's society.
> 
> * Ol' Crazy Jeannie took the fat slovenly whore remark a bit personally it 
> * seems....hmmm....
> 
> Well, Doogie, did you finally get that counseling certificate printed out
> and stuck on your wall, or have you been calling the knuckle-draggers'
> psychic hotline? Your remarks about my personal life bear as much
> resemblence to reality as your lunatic cult does to authentic
> spirituality.

Look at what you started, Rev. Ron.  Now Crazy's gonna regale us all with
stories about her personal life (again...)
 
> BTW, if you are getting tired of the same old red dresses and black lacy
> panties, I'd be glad to give you some pointers about how to keep your man
> happy. Hell, I'd wager that any of the grownups here could fill you in on
> what to wear and what to do without having to make anything up!

Urgh.  The THOUGHT of Crazy... gawd, I think I'm gonna PUKE!!!
 
> * I know the real reason Robby hasn't been around here lately....
> 
> Yeah, amuse us some more by writing what you know. Rob has a shitty IP
> that's broken down over half the time, and the news server hasn't quite
> figured out what "outgoing" means.

And he's a real fucking genius for sticking so diligently with it, eh?
 
> * Crazy Jeannie has been a heckuva lot more IRRITABLE and CRANKY lately, I've
> * noticed. 
> 
> You can FOAD any time now, too. Really.
> 
> * Probably drove the poor boy away...  
> 
> Guess again, asswipe. What you don't know fills volumes.

Yep, Crazy's getting irked.
 
Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Oct  1 08:16:48 PDT 1995
Article: 4986 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Mixed race children
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Sherwin Cho (syc225@nwu.edu) writes:
> If you look at portraits, in your yearbook for instance, you'll notice in
> many portraits that one eye is slightly shut than the other.  Everyone
> seems to have a "dominant" eye.  Most of the time it is the right eye for
> right-handed people and the left eye for southpaws.

But she wasn't talking about portraits in a yearbook, or dominant eyes. 
She was talking about a god-awful looking little hybrid.

Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Oct  1 08:16:49 PDT 1995
Article: 4987 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: The Week In Review, 9/23 to 9/30
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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les
> Griswold) wrote:
> 
> * Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:
> * 
> * (snip - take notes, Crazy:  I clipped the part that isn't relevant. 
> * Maybe, just maybe, you can learn to do this)
> 
> Here's what you clipped out, cockroach boy! What I wrote was relevant to
> the racial theorist's post:

Translation:  I like to spam!  This is the most attention I get!  After
all, my kids hate me, Rob thinks I'm the Queen of Mean, and everyone else
here thinks I'm a big drip.  So FOAD, cockroach boy, I'll write big
messages!

You know Crazy, I'm actually sorry.  After all, I didn't realize that it
was so important to your emotional well-being.  Blather away, Macduff.

Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Oct  1 08:16:50 PDT 1995
Article: 4991 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Crazy Jeannie loses it!!!
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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:

(snip - seems that ole Jeannie doesn't know how to use her editor, or is
too lazy to do so.  Gee, just like other libs)

Moi:
> * Yep, seems that Crazy is losing it.  She's trying to float the story that
> * her better half is having problems with his service provider... yeah, like
> * we buy that one.  What sort of fucking dummy would stick with a service
> * provider that is supposedly that crappy, anyway?
> 
> Well, I don't know, Les! Weren't you just complaining in May that your
> service provider was losing threads and not letting you reply to all of
> the probing questions aimed in your direction? Were you a fucking dummy or
> just a fucking liar, cockroach-boy? 

Yep.  But my provider didn't have a time-lag on it like Robbie's
apparently does.  Besides, it didn't much matter that I didn't get to see
all of the pearls of wisdom from you liberals:  you're all fucking
loony-tunes anyway, so after a while (a very SHORT while) your rants
become predictable, so my replies can be standardized.
  
> Don't try and talk yourself out of this one, because you'll end up eating
> your own words. Remember the threads "My (groan) provider..." and "My
> @#$%^%^& provider did it AGAIN!!!", Les? I'll bet that Stewart King does.
> Now just admit that you're a pathetic, hypocritical piece of shit, and
> maybe I'll let you off with a mild kneeshot. If you keep it up, your nuts
> will fly out of you ears before I'm through with you. Comprende?

Jeannie, hasn't it yet sunken through your thick skull that this is
*CyberSpace*, not the real world, and that you'll never even be within
a thousand miles of my nuts, let alone close enough to kick them out of my
ears.  Of course, with a major loser like you, this is as close to real as
it gets, I suppose.

Gawd, you're pathetic.

Les

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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Oct  1 08:16:51 PDT 1995
Article: 4992 of alt.politics.white-power
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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:

(snip - take notes, Crazy:  I clipped the part that isn't relevant. 
Maybe, just maybe, you can learn to do this)

> Yeah, it reminds me of when I was still married to Hoosier-boy. We (all
> three Hoosier-boy brothers and I) were at a restaurant one night after
> closing a bar. Some other guy started flirting with me, and my ex-husband
> and his brothers decided to take him out in the parking lot to teach him a
> lesson. Hoosier-boy and the older ex-brother-in-law each had ahold of the
> guy's shirt, just pounding away with their fists. The funny thing was that
> they gave each other a bloody nose and didn't lay a punch on the
> flirtmeister. True story.

Crazy, where did you see, in R.C.'s message, that he CARED, in the
least, about your personal life?  Where did you ever get the hare-brained
idea that ANYONE here wants to hear about your fantabulous first husband,
and how it only took you two years to figure out that he wasn't the right
one for you?

Les


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