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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Jul  1 16:22:40 PDT 1995
Article: 6225 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Free speech
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Kristof Avramsson (avramsso@julian.uwo.ca) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>I can't believe the number of jews and semitophiles on this and other
>>boards.  I mean, come on guys, give us a break.  
> 
> Deal with it Les.  Free speach means just that!
> 
> Kristof

Indeed.  So let's hear no more twisted "logic" about "hate speech", all
right?

Les


--
It is not permissible to approach with half measures or even with
hesitation a task whose execution seems possible only by the harnessing of
the very last possible ounce of energy.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Jul  1 16:22:56 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Jews:  religion or race?
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Ya gotta love this one:

Jews are just a religion.  Therefore, damped jews like Benjamin Disraeli
aren't jews, and any jew or semitophile who tries to claim him as an
example of a successful jew, is full of it.  Einstein was an atheist. 
Therefore, he wasn't a jew.  So knock it off.  These guys did NOT practice
judaism; therefore, they were not jews.

OR:

Jews are a race.  Thus, Disraeli and Einstein (and others) CAN be claimed
as successful jews, even if they weren't Talmud-thumpers.  However, the
claim that "jews are just like everybody else, except they go to church on
Saturday, and don't eat bacon", tend to fall a little flat.

So which is it?  Or, as we suspect, are they "just a religion" when it
suits them, and a race at other opportune times?

Les

--
It is not permissible to approach with half measures or even with
hesitation a task whose execution seems possible only by the harnessing of
the very last possible ounce of energy.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Jul  1 16:54:55 PDT 1995
Article: 5767 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: "This is a Negro-free workplace!" (was: Excrementum vincit
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Chris Faatz (cfaatz@teleport.com) writes:
> [clip]
> 
> : > The international bankers? Why, those who are controlled by those who 
> : > actually control the international means of production--the Japanese, 
> : > US, British, German, English, and other ruling classes. 
> 
> : To whom do the countries owe debts?
> 
> They don't all owe money to Israel, my friend. And, most banks are
> neither Jewish-run nor Israeli-based.

EXCUSE ME?!?

> They, like capital itself, are
> increasingly international. They mirror the means of production within
> which they operate. There's nothing racial about it, unless you want to
> talk about the North (the white and asian world) versus the South (the
> black and brown world).
> : > 
> : > : Who prints the money in the first place?  Who owns the shares in the
> : > : wholesale banks (Bank of England, Federal Reserve, Reserve Bank of NZ
> : > : etc)?
> : > 
> : > It's not who prints the money; it's who controls the printing, the 
> : > distribution, and the economy upon which it rests. As well as the mindset
> : > upon which it rests....
> 
> : Conclusions?  Yes I realize the wholesale banks don't print the money,
> : that is why I called them wholesale for.  Does the government control the
> : printing?
> 
> In this country's case, yes. But then, despite what "The Spotlight" says,
> this country's government is run by big business, not by an international
> cabal of insidious one-worlders.

Same thing.

WHICH country?  The U.S.?  They own the Federal Reserve, which prints the
money and controls its value?

> : > : Since they own the gold they make the rules.  If the rules fail then it
> : > : must be the rulemakers fault, and of course their "toadies" that support
> : > : them (neither side likes traitors). 
> : > 
> : > So, what do we have? The international imperialist bourgeoisie, multi-
> : > racial, multi-ethnic, multi-religious.
> : > 
> : > Sure some are Jews. Some are Japanese practitioners of Shinto as well. Or
> : > has the entire Japanese ruling class really been implanted by the dreaded
> : > conspiracy, complete with full body-makeovers to hide the hooked noses
> : > and the rest of the tell-tale signs?
> : > 
> : And?
> 
> And read Marx and something else despite the musty old 1930s German texts
> and reprints of Henry Ford manuscripts that you seem so assiduously addicted
> to.

Marx?  BWAHAHAHA!!!  I can't BELIEVE that you'd actually dare to trot that
horse out of your stable.  I really thought that you'd stick to vague
generalities, which are SO much easier to defend (why not put up some of
Marx' "anti-semitic" writings?  After all, ONE unkind word about jews is
usually enough to destroy someone politically - what about ENTIRE
LETTERS?)

Les


--
It is not permissible to approach with half measures or even with
hesitation a task whose execution seems possible only by the harnessing of
the very last possible ounce of energy.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Jul  1 16:55:07 PDT 1995
Article: 5781 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Jews:  religion or race?
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Ya gotta love this one:

Jews are just a religion.  Therefore, damped jews like Benjamin Disraeli
aren't jews, and any jew or semitophile who tries to claim him as an
example of a successful jew, is full of it.  Einstein was an atheist. 
Therefore, he wasn't a jew.  So knock it off.  These guys did NOT practice
judaism; therefore, they were not jews.

OR:

Jews are a race.  Thus, Disraeli and Einstein (and others) CAN be claimed
as successful jews, even if they weren't Talmud-thumpers.  However, the
claim that "jews are just like everybody else, except they go to church on
Saturday, and don't eat bacon", tend to fall a little flat.

So which is it?  Or, as we suspect, are they "just a religion" when it
suits them, and a race at other opportune times?

Les

--
It is not permissible to approach with half measures or even with
hesitation a task whose execution seems possible only by the harnessing of
the very last possible ounce of energy.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Jul  1 16:55:13 PDT 1995
Article: 5787 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: A general critique...
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Elena Mills (emills@netcom.com) writes:
> Geoff Lupton (bj695@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> 
>> --
>> There is a Zionist conspiracy for world power as outlined in the
>> Protocols. "Anti-semitism" as a doctrine is nothing more than a
>> natural Gentile reaction to this fact.
>> 					- John Tyndall
> 
> I have learned from reading the controversy surrounding this 
> book that it is little more than an offensive fraud. This would
> indicate that you have no difficulty in using lies to justify your
> racism.

Racism needs no justification.  In any event, twits like you will never
understand higher ideals, so arguing with you is just an intellectual
exercise.

Les


--
It is not permissible to approach with half measures or even with
hesitation a task whose execution seems possible only by the harnessing of
the very last possible ounce of energy.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Jul  1 16:55:15 PDT 1995
Article: 5788 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Liberal shitz (was: LES GRISWOLD)
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CGA (cga@terminus.com) writes:
> jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu (Jeanne Kowalewski) wrote:
> 
>>I'm not a fluffy-headed liberal either, I just play one on the Net. Please
>>keep in mind that Les defined 'liberal' as anyone who doesn't think like
>>him, which would make me a liberal to the core.
> 
> Personally I think Les is getting a bad rap and people who tend to
> argue with him are the same types who stick to the TV and watch talk
> shows all afternoon or go through withdrawals if they don't get their
> evening fix of "Talk Soup"...

Funny, I got much the same impression...

Les


--
It is not permissible to approach with half measures or even with
hesitation a task whose execution seems possible only by the harnessing of
the very last possible ounce of energy.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Jul  1 19:36:08 PDT 1995
Article: 5825 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Monotheism vs. polytheism
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Could somebody explain to me why monotheism is automatically considered
superior to polytheism?

Les

--
It is not permissible to approach with half measures or even with
hesitation a task whose execution seems possible only by the harnessing of
the very last possible ounce of energy.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Jul  1 19:36:10 PDT 1995
Article: 5826 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Free speech...
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Stephen Milligen (godzilla@gladstone.uoregon.edu) writes:
> On Wed, 28 Jun 1995, Les Griswold wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Kristof Avramsson (avramsso@julian.uwo.ca) writes:
>> > bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>> >>I can't believe the number of jews and semitophiles on this and other
>> >>boards.  I mean, come on guys, give us a break.  
>> > 
>> > Deal with it Les.  Free speach means just that!
>> > 
>> > Kristof
>> 
>> Indeed.  So let's not hear any more tortured "logic" about "hate speech", hmm?
>> 
>> Les
>> 
> HEY LES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> I thought this was a good point to mention that i would like you to 
> exercise your freedom of sppech and explain white power to me.  And you 
> know the old saying, if you don't use it you'll lose it.
>  "STUPID PEOPLE SHOULDN'T BREED."

Or how about I exercise my freedom of choice to ignore you?

Les


--
It is not permissible to approach with half measures or even with
hesitation a task whose execution seems possible only by the harnessing of
the very last possible ounce of energy.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Jul  1 20:03:16 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Ignorant Jason Smith (re: Original man)
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Joseph Funny-Bunny Mak (jhbmak@acs3.acs.ucalgary.ca) writes:
> Jason Smith (al998@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Joseph Hin-bun Mak (jhbmak@acs3.acs.ucalgary.ca) writes:
> : > Actually, the 'X' is not just linked to the religion known as
> : > Islam.  'X' is more symbolic, as it represents the lost name from
> : > the tribe of Shabazz.  Instead of keeping the White slave
> : > master's name, many would rather have 'X' in order to represent
> : > the unknown original name from that tribe.  
> 
> : 	Gee, thanks.  It probably also means that you're mostly illiterate
> : and can't sign your names.
> 
> Gee, I guess your english skills haven't passed your
> Canadian/American grade 8 education level.  Perhaps you re-read
> the above, and frown upon your own stupid statement.

Eh?

> A similar conjection would be, "Oh yeah?!?! well, you're a dumb chink..."

You said it, Makkie, not us.

Les


--
It is not permissible to approach with half measures or even with
hesitation a task whose execution seems possible only by the harnessing of
the very last possible ounce of energy.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Jul  1 20:03:20 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Hey Devil Cave Bitch-Les
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Joseph Funny-Bunny Mak (jhbmak@acs3.acs.ucalgary.ca) writes:
> I see you're back.  Damn!  I know you got some inferiority
> complexes to deal with, where you get your kicks out of being
> insulted and everyone hating you.  I mean, I know thiss is the
> only way you can ever hope to establish a conversation with
> another person, (by them hating you) but...oh, why do I bother?
> "You don't give love, and you won't get love.  You don't push and
> you won't get shoved..."  -Race War, Ice-T. 1993
> 
> Hey D.C.B. Les, have you lined up for your tickets and are you
> ready for your all-time favorite heros the Black Panthers to come
> to the big screen?  "Panther" must be really breakin' your
> balls...

*sigh*  Looks like you're back to plague us with your semi-literate
English.  When WILL you slopes learn, though, that how you communicate
DOES matter, and quaint orientalisms may be shrugged off if they appear
OCCAISIONALLY, but get under everyone's skin when they make up the vast
majority of what you say?

I didn't know accents could translate to cyberspace... oh well, live and
learn.

> Shit's funny though... Tri-Star wouldn't fund the making of 
> "Panther" unless one of the main BLACK Panthers was white...
> Funnier than you Les!  But no, sorry to disappoint you Les,
> there is no "non-colored" players in Panther...

There are probably no blue-gums either.  Just a cast of high-yallers like
Mario Van Peebles and others.  Pure Blacks would be too stupid and
inarticulate (but, on the plus side, they'd work really cheap!)

Les

--
It is not permissible to approach with half measures or even with
hesitation a task whose execution seems possible only by the harnessing of
the very last possible ounce of energy.
		-- Adolf Hitler


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Eric's favourite wine...
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Eric Blace (ad792@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
> If I want to talk to you Less, I will rattle your chain.  What do you do
> for a living, besides writing  hate literature?

Sorry to have struck so close to home, Eric, but I think the question is
valid.

Rather than lash out so defensively, and revealing your rather too-thin
skin, why not answer the question?  Share your patented "Life by Eric
Blace" with us.  Hell, maybe I'll be doing something other than "writing
hate literature", as you so prejudicially put it.

Les


--
It is not permissible to approach with half measures or even with
hesitation a task whose execution seems possible only by the harnessing of
the very last possible ounce of energy.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Jul  2 04:56:17 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Liberalism defined!
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What's a liberal?  Simple:  someone who can hold two totally contradictory
opinions, and denies the reality that's right in front of his/her/its nose.

Les

--
It is not permissible to approach with half measures or even with
hesitation a task whose execution seems possible only by the harnessing of
the very last possible ounce of energy.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Jul  2 04:56:19 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: More liberal hypocrisy!!!
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Liberal #1:  IQ is nothing.  Not worth a pinch of turkey-barf.  Only
knuckleheads would argue that IQ MEANS anything, especially in racial terms.

Liberal #2:  I'VE got a 170 IQ, and all racists are fucking morons.  So if
you're a racist, and your IQ is below mine, shut the fuck up.

What's REALY funny is that, often, these two arguments appear in THE SAME
MESSAGE, BY THE SAME PERSON.  It's astounding.  How can IQ mean nothing in
one instance, but be of critical importance in the next?

Les

--
It is not permissible to approach with half measures or even with
hesitation a task whose execution seems possible only by the harnessing of
the very last possible ounce of energy.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Jul  2 04:56:21 PDT 1995
Article: 6288 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Free speech...
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Chris Faatz (cfaatz@teleport.com) writes:

(snip)

> Luke--
> 
> In Les' idea of a free society, of a good society, all voices are
> acceptable so long as they agree with _Mein Kampf_ and its basic
> pronunciamentos concerning the necessities of racial survival. That
> means that *anything* that stands in the way of Mr. Griswold's program,
> in his "good" society, should be... well, ethnically cleansed.

At least I don't PRETEND to be a universalist who worships "diversity", as
long as that diversity conforms to what *I* think should be "diverse". 
People know where they stand with me.
 
> And, where you're coming from is the vilest perversion possible of the
> ideas of civilization.

Sez you.  Like I said, at least WE'RE honest about where we're coming
from.  We don't hide behind Barney the Dinosaur.

Les



--
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hesitation a task whose execution seems possible only by the harnessing of
the very last possible ounce of energy.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Jul  8 10:14:50 PDT 1995
Article: 23298 of alt.revisionism
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Brainy Nazis!
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John Baglow (ai433@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
>  Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
>> The Hillebrand Institute, in 1982, estimated the IQs of some 180 prominent
>> historical figures.  Rather than bore you with all of them, I just picked
>> a few I thought you guys would like:
>> 
>> Mussolini (not a Nazi, but what the hell):  170
>> Baldur von Schirach:  175
>> Erwin Rommel (the "Desert Fox"):  180
>> Heinz Guderian (another kick-ass panzer general):  180
>> Goering:  185
>> Goebbels:  190
>> Nietzsche:  195
>> Werner von Braun:  200
>> Adolf Hitler:  205
>> 
>> I figure that last one will really burn some liberal ass!  However, he's
>> not the top guy:  that honour goes to von Goethe, with an estimated IQ of 210.
>  
>  A couple of questions, which a brainy nazi like Mr. Griswold should have
>  no difficulty answering:
>  
>  1) Who or what is the Hillebrand Institute?

Sorry, that should have been the Hiddenbrook Historical Society.

Obviously, they're a group with which you'll disagree vehemently, because
they don't engage in anti-White racism.

>  2) Precisely how does one estimate the IQ of a dead person?

Through writings.

>  Seriously, I'm
>  intrigued. The methodology would be of some interest, if you would
>  condescend to share it with us. What was Christ's "estimated IQ"?

Not mentioned, perhaps in deference to his divinity (gag!)

>  Adam's?

They don't do made-up guys.

>  George II's? 

Didn't mention him.  Either they didn't consider him important, or they
just forgot.

Les


--
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hesitation a task whose execution seems possible only by the harnessing of
the very last possible ounce of energy.
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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Jul  8 11:18:44 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Free speech...
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Elena Mills (emills@netcom.com) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> 
> I said:
> : > Indeed, there are few other newsgroups where the division between
> : > reason and insanity is so readily apparent. True to form, the rest
> : > of the world is grey area, as it should be. It takes evil this
> : > extraordinary to show, in perfect relief, an individual's 
> : > obligation to speak out for what is right.
> 
> : What?  This is just some REAL fancy double-talk for "no hate speech (and
> : *I* get to define what is and isn't hate!)"
> 
> Where did I ever state that hate speech should be banned?
> Nowhere.
> 
> Are you taking logic lessons from Colin Mckinstry?

Nope.  Just telling people what you're leading up to.  And if you're going
to get all self-righteous and indignant, then set me straight:  are you,
or are you not, for free speech for EVERYONE, INCLUDING "Natsees"?

Les



--
It is not permissible to approach with half measures or even with
hesitation a task whose execution seems possible only by the harnessing of
the very last possible ounce of energy.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Jul  9 11:33:08 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Free speech...
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Elena Mills (emills@netcom.com) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> 
> I said:
> : > Indeed, there are few other newsgroups where the division between
> : > reason and insanity is so readily apparent. True to form, the rest
> : > of the world is grey area, as it should be. It takes evil this
> : > extraordinary to show, in perfect relief, an individual's 
> : > obligation to speak out for what is right.
> 
> : What?  This is just some REAL fancy double-talk for "no hate speech (and
> : *I* get to define what is and isn't hate!)"
> 
> Where did I ever state that hate speech should be banned?
> Nowhere.
> 
> Are you taking logic lessons from Colin Mckinstry?

Nope.  Just telling people what you're leading up to.  And if you're going
to get all self-righteous and indignant, then set me straight:  are you,
or are you not, for free speech for EVERYONE, INCLUDING "Natsees"?

Les



--
It is not permissible to approach with half measures or even with
hesitation a task whose execution seems possible only by the harnessing of
the very last possible ounce of energy.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Jul 12 17:28:19 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Derek Bell (dbell@maths.tcd.ie) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
>>The only implication of this is that you have NO understanding about jews.
> 
> 	You're talking to yourself, Les.

It's the best conversation I've had yet!

ORION

Les


--
It is not permissible to approach with half measures or even with
hesitation a task whose execution seems possible only by the harnessing of
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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Jul 12 17:28:31 PDT 1995
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Adam Krims (akrims@gpu1.srv.ualberta.ca) writes:
 
(snip)
 
> Nice to see you back, Les!
> 
> Now, time for you to answer the questions pending for you:
> 
> 1) If I post a letter by Nietzsche, from a reputable source you can 
> easily check, that unambiguously condemns anti-Semitism and German 
> nationalism, will you retract your lie that Nietzsche was an anti-Semite?

Post all you want.  Your "reputable" sources are, no doubt, semitophilic
newspapers and essays.

I'm not, never have, "lied" that Nietzsche was an anti-semite:  as far as
I know, he had no problem whatsoever with Arabs, who are REAL semites. 
That he also didn't care over-much for jews is what you meant.

Go ahead and post.  As a matter of fact, cross-post to many, many NGs,
preferably ones that have nothing to do with this discussion.

> 2) Where and when did I proclaim myself "anti-White" and "anti-German"? 
> (Strange for someone anti-White and anti-German to be defending a "white" 
> German like Nietzsche from posthumous slander!)

You're only "defending" Nietzsche because you think that you can somehow
discredit the White Nationalist movement by "proving" that he really loved
jews.
 
> 3) Does all rap music sound alike because of some property of the music 
> itself, or because of your unfamiliarity with it?

It must be a property of what you laughingly call "music".

ORION

Les


--
It is not permissible to approach with half measures or even with
hesitation a task whose execution seems possible only by the harnessing of
the very last possible ounce of energy.
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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Jul 12 18:27:28 PDT 1995
Article: 6510 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Multicultural Montreal! (was: Brainy Nazis!)
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kevin filan (kfilan@netcom.com) writes:
 
(snip)

> 	OK, Les, I'll bite... (and while I'm at it I'd love some input 
> here from Jason Smith and George Burdi, two of your fellow Canadians).

I always DID think that you bite...
 
> 	I just got back from spending a week in your country (well, it 
> may not be your country soon, but anyway...), enjoying the sights and 
> sounds of Montreal.  I have rarely been so impressed with a city as I was 
> with Montreal.  I thought the place was great fun all around.
> 
> 	I ate Vietnamese soup, listened to Afro-Caribbean Jazz, and 
> enjoyed a huge melange of cultures.  Montreal is reasonably clean (by 
> American standards it's damn well immaculate), fairly safe (the crime 
> rate is _far_ lower than in any American city I can think of), and 
> culturally one of the most diverse areas in North America.  There were 
> people of all colors and ethnic backgrounds, and as far as I could tell 
> they all seemed to get along pretty well.

Kevin, you're a brain-dead "love-thy-nigger" freak anyway, so your
observations are biased by your "We are the world" fantasy.  Go ahead and
wax poetic about gook soup and nigger "music".

> 	It seems to me that Montreal is a great example of _successful_ 
> multiculturalism.  And that maybe, instead of seeking to segregate, we 
> should see how they do it so well.  

**gag!**
 
> 	Also: what are your feelings on the desires of Francophone 
> Canadians to separate from Canada and form their own country? (I'm 
> curious on this as it seems you're quite sympathetic to nationalism in 
> general).  

It's a stupid distraction.  The loud-mouths who CLAIM to speak for the
majority of Quebeckers say that they have more in common with a
French-speaking Haitian than an English-speaking White.

ORION

Les


--
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hesitation a task whose execution seems possible only by the harnessing of
the very last possible ounce of energy.
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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Jul 12 18:27:30 PDT 1995
Article: 6511 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Jews:  Neither religion nor race, but something else entirely!
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Steve  Garza (sgarza@csubak.edu) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>> I was reading a letter in _Instauration_ magazine, from September 1993, in
>> which it was suggested that judaism was neither a religion nor a race, but
>> a genetic malady that caused those afflicted with it to seek perpetual
>> victimhood.  Made a lot of sense!
> 
> Uh, huh. So Jews are now defined as a people who have some victimization
> gene. Tell, me Les, just what characteristics make a person a Jew in your
> mind?

BWAHAHAHA!!!  I can't BELIEVE that you asked that!  But here goes...

1)  The ability to whine about ANY problem, no matter how small.

2)  The ability to make others feel responsible for it.

3)  The ability to create money out of nothing.

4)  So tight that you could shove coal up a jew's ass and get a diamond a
week later.

Does that do for starters?

Les

--
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Today I made a s.h.a.r.p. lick my boots.
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East coasT (estcst@telerama.lm.com) writes:
> Sharp_killer@msu.edu wrote:
> 
>> There I was... just minding my own business with a few friends.  When
>> out of the corner of my eye I noticed a simpering little faggot with
>> a shaved head prancing down the street.
> 
>> "Is this a dream?" I thought to myself.....
> 
>> A Lone sharp strolling down the  street?  But alas, it was....
> 
>> I've always had this boot-licking fantasy... and today seemed like the
>> best day to act it out.
> 
>> To get to the good part.  Agfter a very brief exchange of words, we gave him
>> the usual boot-party that most sharps love.  Then comes the good part...
> 
>> "Lick my Boots!", I said.....
> 
>> "No"... simpered the little faggot...
> 
>> (insert 10 minutes of boot-party)
> 
>> Again I suggested he lick my boots...  After a brief struggle and a few
>> more loose teeth... he gently began to lap at my boots with his little
>> dick licking tongue.  How cute he looked putting that tongue to use.
> 
>> After the boots were nicely cleaned, we rolled him into the street...
>> went home... drank some beer.... listened to The Voice... and had
>> an all around good laugh.  It was a kodak moment.
> 
> 
>> '88'
>> Sharp_Killer
> 
> 
> 
> Well,
> 
>      Was this before or after you all fucked each other up the ass?
> 
>      Be glad it wasn't me. Although I'm not "SHARP" I hate you racist
> faggots. You'd have gotten a 40 caliber Black Talon to the fucking
> heart.

My, aren't YOU tough!

I'm always reminded of an old saying when I see verbal offal like this:

"Hollow barrels make the most noise."

ORION

Les


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Derek Bell (dbell@maths.tcd.ie) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
>>The only implication of this is that you have NO understanding about jews.
> 
> 	You're talking to yourself, Les.

It's the best conversation I've had yet!

ORION

Les


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Subject: Adam babbles on!
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Adam Krims (akrims@gpu1.srv.ualberta.ca) writes:
 
(snip)
 
> Nice to see you back, Les!
> 
> Now, time for you to answer the questions pending for you:
> 
> 1) If I post a letter by Nietzsche, from a reputable source you can 
> easily check, that unambiguously condemns anti-Semitism and German 
> nationalism, will you retract your lie that Nietzsche was an anti-Semite?

Post all you want.  Your "reputable" sources are, no doubt, semitophilic
newspapers and essays.

I'm not, never have, "lied" that Nietzsche was an anti-semite:  as far as
I know, he had no problem whatsoever with Arabs, who are REAL semites. 
That he also didn't care over-much for jews is what you meant.

Go ahead and post.  As a matter of fact, cross-post to many, many NGs,
preferably ones that have nothing to do with this discussion.

> 2) Where and when did I proclaim myself "anti-White" and "anti-German"? 
> (Strange for someone anti-White and anti-German to be defending a "white" 
> German like Nietzsche from posthumous slander!)

You're only "defending" Nietzsche because you think that you can somehow
discredit the White Nationalist movement by "proving" that he really loved
jews.
 
> 3) Does all rap music sound alike because of some property of the music 
> itself, or because of your unfamiliarity with it?

It must be a property of what you laughingly call "music".

ORION

Les


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: The liberal mission
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Liberals are just wonderful examples of selflessness, aren't they?  What
with their dedication to criticizing racists wherever they find them, and
labelling everyone who doesn't agree with them "racist".  I tell ya, it
gives me a warm spot right in the ole gut.

ORION

Les

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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Derek Bell (dbell@maths.tcd.ie) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
>>The only implication of this is that you have NO understanding about jews.
> 
> 	You're talking to yourself, Les.

It's the best conversation I've had yet!

ORION

Les


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Adam Krims (akrims@gpu1.srv.ualberta.ca) writes:
 
(snip)
 
> Nice to see you back, Les!
> 
> Now, time for you to answer the questions pending for you:
> 
> 1) If I post a letter by Nietzsche, from a reputable source you can 
> easily check, that unambiguously condemns anti-Semitism and German 
> nationalism, will you retract your lie that Nietzsche was an anti-Semite?

Post all you want.  Your "reputable" sources are, no doubt, semitophilic
newspapers and essays.

I'm not, never have, "lied" that Nietzsche was an anti-semite:  as far as
I know, he had no problem whatsoever with Arabs, who are REAL semites. 
That he also didn't care over-much for jews is what you meant.

Go ahead and post.  As a matter of fact, cross-post to many, many NGs,
preferably ones that have nothing to do with this discussion.

> 2) Where and when did I proclaim myself "anti-White" and "anti-German"? 
> (Strange for someone anti-White and anti-German to be defending a "white" 
> German like Nietzsche from posthumous slander!)

You're only "defending" Nietzsche because you think that you can somehow
discredit the White Nationalist movement by "proving" that he really loved
jews.
 
> 3) Does all rap music sound alike because of some property of the music 
> itself, or because of your unfamiliarity with it?

It must be a property of what you laughingly call "music".

ORION

Les


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: The liberal mission
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Liberals are just wonderful examples of selflessness, aren't they?  What
with their dedication to criticizing racists wherever they find them, and
labelling everyone who doesn't agree with them "racist".  I tell ya, it
gives me a warm spot right in the ole gut.

ORION

Les

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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: I yam not! (was: Why Les Griswold is FUBAR)
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JWCCTI1 (jwccti1@aol.com) writes:
> Les Griswold crawled out to write:
> 
>> Surely, he must have known that NOTHING, past present or future,
>> will EVER compare to the terrible loss of "six million" during WWII, and
>> that one should never NEVER say something like that.  After all, the
>> "holocaust" is special, unique, etc., and must NEVER be denigrated by
>> having ANYTHING else compared to it!!!
> 
> That is dealt with eloquently in the Talmud, Leslie.  The whole world dies
> when one man dies.  I don't judge the death of one good person as less
> worse than the death of another. .

Please, please, don't preach those gutter sweepings that you call a
"religion" at me.  And please don't use my messages as an excuse to throw
out your One Worlder garbage.

> For that matter, I don't consider one antisemitic schmuck as less tragic
> than another.  You're a tragedy for your parents just as ben-Trash/Rick
> Savage and George Burdi/Hamilton are for their parents, even though your
> posts don't show a history of sexual abuse as starkly as Trash's.  Do you
> see what I'm saying?  Once you cross a certain threshold with me, you're
> FUBAR.  

So I guess you won't be writing to me no more?  Gee...
 
Les


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Derek Bell (dbell@maths.tcd.ie) writes:
> antinin@aol.com (AntiNIN) writes:
>>What blasphemy for Hugh Grant to betray his beautiful white girlfriend for
>>a night of anal beastiality with that Aids-ridden, Malback Maduka. He is
>>what's wrong with the confused White race. Once a Nigger Lover, always a
>>Nigger Lover. Let's never,ever let him forget this!
> 
> 	I'm quite interested to see that AntiNIN is willing to make him or
> herself open to a charge of libel or slander from `Miss Divine Brown' (her
> real name escapes me). Indeed, it would make quite an interesting case.

Hahaha!!!  I'd like to see the show-boating ambulance-chaser who'd take
THAT one on!
 
> 	As for Hugh Grant, he was unfaithful to his girlfriend and may have to
> live with that for a while, but that's because he betrayed the trust between
> them, nothing to do with the colours of the individuals involved.

Hey, the guy was an ass, plain and simple.  You don't have to be a White
Racist to think so.
 
> 	I'd be saying much the same if Hugh Grant had a black girlfriend and
> he was caught with a white prostitute.

No you wouldn't.  You'd be weeping and wailing about how "racist" ole
Hughie was to cheat on his "elegant, demure, Black girlfriend" for a roll
in the hay with White trailer-park trash.  At least be honest.

Les


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Liberals?  Taking over?  PLEASE!
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There's been a lot of chest-thumping lately by liberal wienies (lizard in
particular) about how they've "ruined" our NG because they post the most. 
This seems to be indicative of superior liberal intellect, or something.

Please.

You liberal ninnies couldn't run a fucking chip wagon, let alone anything
serious.  Just keep the self-delusion up, so you won't recognize reality
when it rears its head.

Les

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Jeanne Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:

(big snip, although not nearly as big as the one I had to exercise on Mr.
McOyVay's turgid, tedious rambling)

> "I'm Rick, Sylvie, Kurt, and any other racist that comes along from Carleton."
> -----Les Griswold

Jeanne!  I made it into your sig.file!  I'm so happy, I could just jump up
and down!
 
Les


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Derek Bell (dbell@maths.tcd.ie) writes:

(snip)
 
>> 	Found any evidence for Hitler dying in battle yet? Or is there as
> little evidence for that as, say, the earth being flat?

Found any evidence to refute it?
 
> 	Derek "Ever curious" Bell

I thought that it'd be more like Derek "Ever unoriginal" Bell.

Les


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Andy Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>    'Scuse me?  I didn't answer my own question, and your wonderful
>    display of bafflegab did nothing to clarify the situation.  I gather,
>    however, that you think that interracial dating and mating is just 
>    hunky-dory.
> 
> Well, shit, Les, I'll say it if no one else will:
> 
> Yup. Sure is.
> 
> Whatcha gonna say about it, white boy?

Not much, boy.  See, we've come to expect degeneracy from the likes of
you, with your "if it feels good, do it" attitude, so go ahead and court
all the Aunt Jemimas you want.

Les



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Steve Garza (sgarza@academic.csubak.edu) writes:
> In article <3v13kd$7of@zeus.pechan.com>, krish@crosslink.net wrote:
> 
>> The goal of White-Power is to get all minorities and Jews out of the
> US(Fair Enough?) How do you 
>> possibly think that could be accomplished?
> 
> How about giving every Jew and minority a million dollars to leave the
> country? Stupid answer? Well it was a stupid question also. Why don't you
> move to a rich and highly intelligenct country or neighborhood? Can't do
> it? Too bad.

You mean (snicker) like one where they advise you how to make apple-seed
milkshakes?

Les

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Subject: Re: coon poem
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Andy Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
    
(snip)

> Ah, a patron of the arts. I hope y'all will indulge me in an impromptu
> original work:
> 
> Nazi punks come of age
> Hopped up on Pabst Blue Ribbon* and rage
> Shot to the groin with a steel-toed boot
> When they grow up, they learn to shoot...
> 
> Watch for deer, pull the trigger
> "Boy, I wish he was a nigger."
> Hunting makes for manly sport
> When the niggers beat you off the field and court
> 
> Alienated by all he sees,
> he prays for deliverance on bended knees,
> And sees God's truth just as plain as his face
> There's one group that can't reject him--his race!
> 
> Now he's grown and can't get a job
> It's not his fault he's a worthless slob
> in a mobile home full of squalling kids:
> "It's all them goddamn coons and Yids!"
> 
> "It's their fault, not the grass and booze,
> garbled speech and crude tattoos,
> If Hitler had finished what he began
> We wouldn't need the Ku Klux Klan!"
> 
> "Niggers, immigrants, spics and faggots
> eat at our country like a pack of maggots
> If it weren't for them, come welfare time,
> I'd be at the front of the fuckin' line."
> 
> "There's a simple cure for all my blues:
> Kill the commies, niggers, and Jews!
> I'll look smarter, yeah, you'll see
> when the world is run by fools like me."
> 
> *--substitute Iron City or Lone Star, as regionally appropriate.
> 
> Copyright ©1995 Andrew F. Walton.

Andy, are you sure you're not REALLY a White Power supporter?  I mean,
it's apparent that you made up the lyrics to poke fun at the liberal
perception of a White racist, but anyone who can come up with witty stuff
like that, we have to wonder about (that "Breast Side Story" was pretty
good, put it up again!)

Les

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Derek Bell (dbell@maths.tcd.ie) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:

(snip)
 
>>You liberal ninnies couldn't run a fucking chip wagon, let alone anything
>>serious.  Just keep the self-delusion up, so you won't recognize reality
>>when it rears its head.
> 
> 	Well, I've never had the pleasure of eating `fucking chips' let
> alone running a `fucking chip wagon'; are these `fucking chips' made from
> over-sexed potatoes?

I love the way you focus in on one word, Derek!  Keep it up!

> 	And when will reality rear its head?

It's happening now, goofus.

Les


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Ken, Ken, Ken...
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Ken McVay (kmcvay@nanaimo.island.net) writes:
> In article ,
> Les Griswold  wrote:
> 
>>(big snip, although not nearly as big as the one I had to exercise on Mr.
>>McOyVay's turgid, tedious rambling)
> 
> Mr. Griswold once again demonstrates his unwillingness to respond to
> requests for _facts_ in support of many of his specious assertions...
> something for which we must all be grateful, for, clearly, every time
> Mr. Griswold evades his responsibility to support his allegations
> with facts, and responds instead with this sort of fluff, he further
> discredit not only himself, but the morally bereft "movement" he espouses.
> 
> We are indeed fortunate that Mr. Griswold is with us - we could not
> possibly have created anyone so destructive to his cause.
> 
> Ken McOyVay

(that's really how he signed:  I didn't do it!)

Surely, even YOU aren't so blinkered as to be blind to the fact that
liberals go through a process not dissimilar to the following:

I want FACTS, FACTS, FACTS!
(person provides the facts asked for by the liberal ninny)
LIAR LIAR LIAR!!!  There's no such facts, and even if there are, your
source is pro-Nazi (or whatever).

So, really, why should we waste our time giving you what you won't accept
anyway?  Example:  there are TONS of facts refuting the "holocaust", and
yet wing-nuts like you STILL allege that "it" happened, even in the face
of all of it.  So I ask again, what's the point?  Do we CARE what zealots
like you think?

Talk about harming a movement...

Les




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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: I yam not! (was: Why Les Griswold is FUBAR)
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B. A. Mylite (bamlink@nyc.pipeline.com) writes:
> In alt.politics.white-power Les Griswold crawled out to write: 
>>  
>> 
>>Please, please, don't preach those gutter sweepings that you call a
> "religion" at me. 
>  
> That's right. Less gets all his spiritual *gutter sweepings* from the
> religious rantings of the Irreverend Ron, pastor of the Church of St. Nazi.

BWAHAHAHA!!!  Glad you think so, Zippy.

Les


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Black is Beautiful?
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Jenn Starkman (jstarkma@chat.carleton.ca) writes:
> Craig Yarbrough (brough@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
> 
>> Also, if black isn't beautiful, why do some white
>> women choose black men (even ones who are not famous), and vice-versa? 
> 
> Well, I don't know about *all* of them, but I happened to fall in love
> with my boyfriend because he's gorgeous, smart, funny and kind--and I
> don't really give a rat's ass *what* colour he is... and no, he's not famous.

Waitta minute.  You told us that your boyfriend was an Aryan dream, and we
should be galled because he fell for a jewess (namely, you).  Now, you're
telling us he's a halfie.  Make up your mind (such as it is).

>> Although I've never been in an interracial relationship, I don't see
>> what the problem is with it.  I have a friend who is half Irish, half
>> African American (worst of both worlds, huh?).
> 
> I'd say it's the best.  My man is Scots-Irish on his Mum's side, and
> Black on his Dad's...and let me tell you, it's a killer mix!

... as Nicole Brown Simpson found out!
 
Les
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>>>>> "Les" == Les Griswold  writes:
In article  bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:

Les> What this whole argument is predicated on, Tom, is that Blacks
Les> make up 12-13% of the population, so it's somehow "okay" for them
Les> to rape and assault Whites at 12-13% the rate that Whites
Les> (supposedly) rape and assault them.  ONE Black-on-White rape is
Les> too many.

Wrong. What this whole argument is predicated on, is that *all* rapes
are equally horrible. There's no such thing as an "okay" rape. Rapes
are traumatic, not because of the skin color of the attacker, but
because of the psychological harm inflicted on the victim. The color
of the attacker is immaterial.

*One* rape is too many. Not one black-on-white, not one
white-on-black, not one purple-on-green.. One rape is *far* too many.

	
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Richard Schultz (schultz@garnet.berkeley.edu) writes:
> In article ,
> Les Griswold  wrote:
> 
>>> Found any evidence for Hitler dying in battle yet? Or is there as
>>> little evidence for that as, say, the earth being flat?
>>
>> Found any evidence to refute it?
> 
> There is a large body of evidence that supports the notion that the
> earth is not flat.  You don't even need the photographs from the 
> various spacecraft, which we all know were faked in any case along
> with the entire space program.  For example, the shape of the earth's
> shadow on the moon during the course of a lunar eclipse is consistent
> with a round, not a flat, earth.  When a ship appears on the horizon,
> one sees the top first.  Then of course there is Aristarchus's famous
> experiment in which he demonstrated that the circumference of the earth
> is about 25000 miles by noting the difference in the angle at which the
> sun's rays hit the earth at different distances from the equator on the
> same day.  (Note that in a flat earth model, for the sun to create such
> an effect, it would have to be much closer to the earth than it is known
> to be.  Even the ancient Greeks knew that the sun must be much further
> from the earth than the moon is.)
> 
> Is that enough evidence for you?

Sorry to break it to you, Schootzie, I know you spent a lot of time on it,
but I was talking about Hitler's alleged suicide, not the sphericity of
the earth.
 
> And what evidence do *you* have that Hitler was tall and blond, that
> he died in battle, or that his political testiment was a forgery?

1)  Hitler tall and blond:  I heard it from a gentleman who knew an NCO in
the SA.

2)  Hitler's death:  I read it in the _White Man's Bible_.

3)  Hitler's political testament a forgery (I take it you mean _Mein
Kampf_): I never alleged that, so I don't know a) where you got it, and b)
why I should defend a proposition I never made.

You're out of your depth, Schootzie.  Stick to flippancy.

Les



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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Charles Drew, Black?  Gimme a break!
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Civilzed Man (student@ucs.indiana.edu) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>
>>And how was this "disproved"?  The only arguments I've seen against this
>>consisted of stuff like, "Who the hell is the Hiddenbrook Historical
>>Society anyway?", and "I don't believe it; therefore, it's bull!"

(snip)

>> - Charles Drew was not black.
>>
>>BWAHAHAHA!!!  The only people who believe that are pin-headed NOI types
>>and liberals.
> 
> Leslie, your penchant for boastful and arrogant displays of ignorance and
> stupidity never cease to amaze and amuse me. I actually enjoy devils like
> you to parade your foolishness in such a prideful manner. While it is 
> obvious that you and many others or your nefarious ilk lack *real*
> evidence to bolster your innane claims of biological determinism and 
> ahistorical ramblings, you often take the cake.
> Charles Drew (called nigger many a time by demons like yourself) was,
> and considered himself black, or err Negro in his day. Not only did he 
> live in a black neighborhood in SC Los Angeles, he was outspoken against
> the systemic racism that affected him and his struggle to make the
> medical breakthroughs that he did.
> Since, you probably never picked up a book on non-white people's history,
> you may want to start with:
> 
> *From Slavery to Freedom* John Hope Franklin
> *Milestones in African American History* Alton Hornsby, Jr.
> *Before the Mayflower* Lerone Bennett

I've never picked up a book on non-White peoples' history, because they
HAD NO significant history.  Puffed-up negrophillia disguised as "history"
and "archaeology" are NOT sources I'd trust, and if you had two brain
cells to rub together, you'd think twice before submitting them as
"proof" of your loopy assertions.

> All of these books discuss Drew.

Good for them.  Does a single one of them have a ūPICTURE of Drew?  Yeah,
he's a REAL darkie!  Just totally typical of full-blooded Negroes!

Les




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Jenn Starkman (jstarkma@chat.carleton.ca) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> 
>> Waitta minute.  You told us that your boyfriend was an Aryan dream, and we
>> should be galled because he fell for a jewess (namely, you).  Now, you're
>> telling us he's a halfie.  Make up your mind (such as it is).
> 
> Nope, my *ex*-boyfriend was an Aryan dream--and still one of my
> dearest friends.  My fiance, however, is both Scots-Irish and Black
> (I'd hardly call him a "halfie" as he's not "half" of anything, except
> what strangers keep telling us is one of the most gorgeous couples
> they've ever seen...)

Man, you must have him (your ex) whipped something fierce if he sits
around and smiles while he sees a _schwartz_ makin' out with his ex-woman.

As for calling Rich a "halfie", I couldn't possibly care less WHAT you
would and wouldn't call him.  Starry-eyed jewesses are hardly an authority.

Les


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Jenn Starkman (jstarkma@chat.carleton.ca) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> 
>> Craig Yarbrough (brough@ix.netcom.com) writes:
> 
>> > Also, if black isn't beautiful, why do some white women choose black men 
>> > (even ones who are not famous), and vice-versa? 
> 
>> 1)  They're trashy sluts;
> 
> Nope!  Actually, I'm considered a "nice girl" by most definitions of
> the term...

Jenn, Jenn, Jenn...

We're talking about White girls, not jewesses.
 
>> 2)  They misinterpret the aggresiveness of Blacks as masculinity; or,
> 
> Nope, again!  My sweetheart is very masculine, but rarely, if ever,
> aggressive.  He's got a heart of gold, and is one of the kindest men
> I've ever met.

Sure, Jenn, sure.  IF we take at face value your fable that he had to
bus/fly/take the slow boat up from somewheres, of COURSE he's not gonna
show you his true persona right away, ESPECIALLY not if he can wheedle his
way into your paying for it.
 
>> 3)  They've bought into the fable that Black males are great lovers.
> 
> Well, that's not why I'm in love with him, but to tell you the
> truth--it ain't a fable either....

Well, in your case, only having other spineless ARA-types to compare him
with...

> Jenn
> Who is still in love with her Scots-Irish/Black darling! :)

Ooh, I'm jealous!!!
 
Les


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Jenn Starkman (jstarkma@chat.carleton.ca) writes:

(snip)

>> 2)  They misinterpret the aggresiveness of Blacks as masculinity; or,
> 
> Nope, again!  My sweetheart is very masculine, but rarely, if ever,
> aggressive.  He's got a heart of gold, and is one of the kindest men
> I've ever met.

How typical.  Take a mulatto, and say "See?  He's typical of all Blacks!"

Les


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Tilting with Jeffie Han (was: Liberals? Taking over? PLEASE!)
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Jeff Han (jhan@gpu1.srv.ualberta.ca) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
> 
>>There's been a lot of chest-thumping lately by liberal wienies (lizard in
>>particular) about how they've "ruined" our NG because they post the most. 
>>This seems to be indicative of superior liberal intellect, or something.
> 
>   The number of `liberal wienies' (That hurt, BTW, Less. I'm not your friend any
> more.) is directly proportional to the number of people in the world who think
> that ideas like the feces that emanates from your mouth are pure bullshit...

Majorities don't automatically translate into correctness, Hand.  Most
people are liberal ninnies because they don't have the intestinal
fortitude to commit to anything.
 
>>You liberal ninnies couldn't run a fucking chip wagon, let alone anything
>>serious.  Just keep the self-delusion up, so you won't recognize reality
>>when it rears its head.
> 
>   I am indeed sorry to say that the sky is blue in my reality.  The other
> `liberal ninnies' seem to have the same problem.  

That's about the only point of commonality that most liberals have with
real people.
 
(snip)
 
> P.S.: It is amusing to watch you dodge your way (or attempt to, anyway) out of
> your own idiocy (re: whenever you make a post)...

Well, small things amuse small minds... 

Les



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Subject: Re: Converting to Judaism to Get Ahead
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Jenn Starkman (jstarkma@chat.carleton.ca) writes:

(snip)
 
> First off, I'll be fucked if I'm gonna let you tell me that I've
> gotten as far as I have because of "behind the scenes" support.  I've
> worked my ass off to get where I am--a hallmark of Judaism, that hard
> work.  

"Oy vey, we work so hard for the _goyim_!" (Cue in the _Fiddler on the
Roof_ soundtrack).

> I worked at the local school board--there *are* no Jews in management there.  

As if every jew is named Israel Ehrenberg and Sarah Cohen.  Ever hear of
Kirk Douglas?

> I got that job because I'm qualified, and I kept it
> because, in the words of my White boss, I was the best damn worker in
> the entire office (even though I'm only 21, and most of them had been
> there for their career).  I was told that I worked harder than anyone
> else there, got my work done faster, made *no* mistakes that she could
> see the entire time I was there, and was more pleasant to work with. 
> All this from a *White* boss.

Is this alt.politics.white-power, or alt.stroke.jewish-egos?
 
> While it's true that I've seen Jewish businessmen offer summer jobs to
> kids in the community, it's unfair to portray it as a Jewish thing. 
> First of all, I know just as many (if not more) non-Jews whose jobs
> have come from family or community connections.  Secondly, the only
> people who actually get hired (as opposed to recommended) are the ones
> capable of doing the job.
> 
> I'm very curious as to where you got these ideas--that "being Jewish
> is like having an Ivy League education."
> 
> If you're going to accuse us of anything, in getting ahead in this
> world, it should be hard work.  We Jews are notoriously driven workers.

... and tight-fisted, hard bargainers (from whence comes the verb "to jew"
someone), miserly, cowardly, sneaky, vicious, parasitical, etc...

Les




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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Ken, Ken, Ken...
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Ken McVay (kmcvay@nanaimo.island.net) writes:
> In article ,
> Les Griswold  wrote:
> 
>>Surely, even YOU aren't so blinkered as to be blind to the fact that
>>liberals go through a process not dissimilar to the following:
> 
> I don't know many liberals,

Look in a mirror.
 
> Where are his facts in support of his allegation that the 6,000,000
> Jews missing from Europe after Wrold War II all moved to the States?
> 
> Nowhere.

Sorry, Kenny, you're getting me mixed up with someone else.  All I said
was that emigration accounted for a large part of the "missing 6 million",
not that 6 million Hebes moving to the States was definitely, absolutely,
the answer.

You're slipping, Kenny.  Go back and check out your web page on my posts.

Keep this up (the forgetfulness), and they'll yank your OBC.  Wouldn't
want that, now would we?

(snip)

>>So, really, why should we waste our time giving you what you won't accept
>>anyway?  Example:  there are TONS of facts refuting the "holocaust", and
>>yet wing-nuts like you STILL allege that "it" happened, even in the face
>>of all of it.  So I ask again, what's the point?  Do we CARE what zealots
>>like you think?
> 
> Mr. Griswold, having offered nothing in the way of facts, now offers more
> nonsense. He, for instance, has yet to provide "tons of facts" "refuting" 
> the Holocaust. During four years of reading in alt.revisionism, neither
> have I, or anyone else, seen such "facts." That doesn't bother Mr. Griswold,
> of course, since his political and moral philosophies are devoid of
> any such responsibility.

As soon as some facts come up, the chorus of bleating from you
exterminationists drowns out everything else.  Jeepers, it sounds like a
snow-tire on dry pavement - whine, whine, whine.
 
> Frankly, one can only be delighted to see Mr. Griswold lie again and again,
> before not only a few "zealots," but indeed before tens of millions of
> internet users, who, through Mr. Griswold, are thoroughly educated as to
> the duplicity and dishonesty he espouses.

Frankly, Mr. McOyVay, we couldn't care less about the "tens of millions of
internet users" one way or the other.  The "holocaust" is a side-issue. 
Even assuming that it's true, the most outrageous claims of "holocaust"
peddlers are 100% true, it happened fifty years ago.  There are still
plenty of jews left alive.  The genocide being perpetrated against the
White race is far more terrible, and will not end when 6 million, or 600
million Whites are delivered to death.  It will only end when ALL Whites
(including pathetic specimens like you) are eliminated completely.

Les



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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Jared Taylor's error on interracial rape (Was: Eight Questions for Les Griswold (Round 2))
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Tom Lathrop (tlathrop@netcom.com) writes:
> In article ,
> Steve Dumas  wrote:
> [...]
>>The following is taken from Jared Taylor's excellent book titled
>>_Paved with Good Intensions: The Failure of Race Relations in America_.
>>
>>Taylor cites some interracial rape statistics on p. 93:
>>
>>     The contrast are even more stark in the case of interracial
>>   rape. Studies from the late 1950's showed that the vast majority 
>>   of rapes were same-race offenses. Research in Philadelphia carried 
>>   out in 1958 and 1960 indicated that of all rapes, only 3.2 percent 
>>   were black-on-white assaults and 3.6 percent were white-on-black. 
>>   Since that time, the proportion of black-on-white rapes has soared. 
>>   In a 1974 study in Denver, 40 percent of all rapes were of whites by
>>   blacks, and non one case of white-on-black rape was found. In general,
>>   through the 1970's, black-on-white rape was at least ten times more
>>   common thatn white-on-black rape. 
>>   (This passage is accompanied by endnote 319 - 
>>   Gary D. LaFree, "Male Power and Female Victimization: Toward a
>>   theory of Interracial Rape," American Journal of Sociology, Vol 88,
>>   No. 2 (September 1982))
>>
>>The following paragraph came directly after the one above: 
>>
>>     Because interracial rape is now overwhelmingly black on white, 
>>   it has become difficult to do research on it or to find relevant 
>>   statistics. The FBI keeps very detailed national records on crime,
>>   but the way it presents rape data obscures the racial element rather
>>   than clarifies it. Dr. William Wilbanks, a criminologist at Florida
>>   International Unversity, had to sift carefully through the data to
>>   find that in 1988 there were 9,406 cases of black-on-white rape and
>>   fewer than 10 cases of white-on-black rape. (endnote 320) Another 
>>   researcher concludes that in 1989, blacks were three or four times
>>   more likely to commit rape than whites, and that black men raped
>>   white women thirty times as often as white men raped black women.
>>   (endnote 321)
> 
> Someone whose opinion I respect (and who incidentally knows Jared
> Taylor personally) has told me that while Paved With Good Intentions is
> in general a very accurate and well researched book, the part about
> there only being 10 white on black rapes in 1988 is simply wrong.
> Taylor misread a statistic, and has since acknowledged his mistake
> (although apparently he hasn't been particularly graceful about it).  I
> hope people will stop quoting this particular number.
> 
>>Endnote 320 - William Wilbanks, "Frequency and Nature of Interracial
>>              Crimes," submitted for publication to Justice Professional
>>              (Novemeber 7, 1990). Date received from Department of
>> 	      Justice, Criminal Victimization in the United States, 
>>	      1987, p. 53.
>>
>>Endnote 321 - Andrew Hacker, Two Nations, pp. 183, 185. 

What this whole argument is predicated on, Tom, is that Blacks make up
12-13% of the population, so it's somehow "okay" for them to rape and
assault Whites at 12-13% the rate that Whites (supposedly) rape and
assault them.  ONE Black-on-White rape is too many.

Les


--
It is not permissible to approach with half measures or even with
hesitation a task whose execution seems possible only by the harnessing of
the very last possible ounce of energy.
		-- Adolf Hitler


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Jewish religious practices! (was: Converting to Judaism to Get
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Ahead)  
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Jenn Starkman (jstarkma@chat.carleton.ca) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
>> Jenn Starkman (jstarkma@chat.carleton.ca) writes:
> 
>> > Well, just to get nitpicky, you don't have to wear a yarmulke if
>> > you're female.  On the other hand, if you're an Orthodox woman, you
>> > have to shave your head and wear a wig...
> 
>> And wear a veil... and pray (prey?) apart from the male jews in
>> synagogue... 
> 
> Wear a veil?!!!  That's a new one.  You know, I've always been Jewish,
> I went to a Jewish Day School, I've been to Israel twice, and NYC
> countless times, and yet I've never seen an Orthodox Jewish woman wear
> a veil; nor have I, in fact, ever seen a religious law saying she
> ought to.  
> 
> Ummm...Lester, I think you're getting Orthodox Judaism mixed up with
> Islam or some such thing. No, women don't wear veils, and, in fact,
> they're not *required* to go to synagogue at all.  

Typical jewish tactic:  scream long n' loud about the one allegation that
is (supposedly) wrong, and totally ignore the one that isn't.

> In Judaism, the woman is considered innately holy, and so does not 
> have the same menial obligations as the man--such as praying 3 times
> daily, etc.

Sure, Jenn, sure.  From where comes the Orthodox jew prayer wherein the
prayer thanks God for not making him a Gentile, a slave, or a woman.

Les




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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Converting to Judaism to Get Ahead
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Jenn Starkman (jstarkma@chat.carleton.ca) writes:

Jenn:
>> > I worked at the local school board--there *are* no Jews in management there.  

Les: 
>> As if every jew is named Israel Ehrenberg and Sarah Cohen.  Ever hear of
>> Kirk Douglas?
> 
> Hmmm...gee, I don't recall saying that there weren't any people with
> Jewish *names* there.  I said there weren't any Jews.  Most of them,
> in fact, were French-Canadian, except for my boss, whose last name was
> Italian.

Geez (snicker), I can see it now:  Jenn "testing" everyone there to see if
they're jewish or not.  How'd ya do it, Jenn?  Your Detect-A-Jew radar
popped up and gave you a negative reading?  You went around checking for
foreskins?  What?

> Truth be told, many of them were outright racist as well. 

Who can blame 'em?

(snip)

> ... and tight-fisted, hard bargainers (from whence comes the verb "to jew" 
> someone), miserly, cowardly, sneaky, vicious, parasitical, etc...
> 
> Oh yes, Lester, I can certainly see what doing a good job has to do
> with being tight-fisted, hard bargaining (gee, how those
> schoolteachers bargain!), miserly (yup, that's why giving to charity
> is such an integral part of Jewish life, you know), cowardly (example
> please?), sneaky (hmmm...I've been straightforward here while you and
> your wife try to make me look bad by quoting me out of context--who's
> sneaky now?), vicious (that's you, boy, not me), and parasitical
> (after all, isn't *everyone* who earns their own living being parasitical?!).
> 
> Whatever.

Nice diverting of the issue... however, we were talking about jews, not
school teachers.  Of course, neither I, nor anyone else, is surprised at
your reaction:  it hits close to home, so drown it out with incessant
whining.  After all, isn't that what the rabbis taught you?

Les





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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Tom blows a gasket! (was: Bad News for Schultzie -- that's Not What I
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Tom Lathrop (tlathrop@netcom.com) writes:
> In article ,
> Les Griswold  wrote:
>>[...]Richard Schultz (schultz@garnet.berkeley.edu) writes:
> 
>>> And what evidence do *you* have that Hitler was tall and blond, that
>>> he died in battle, or that his political testiment was a forgery?
> 
>>1)  Hitler tall and blond:  I heard it from a gentleman who knew an NCO in
>>the SA.
> 
> Les, you are a *real* embarrassment!  Are you a ringer perhaps?  Has
> this all been an elaborate, extended troll, designed to make white
> nationalists look like idiots?  I have what I consider an unfortunate
> reluctance to criticize people on "my side" of the fence, but this is
> just *way* over the line!

'Scuse me?  Someone asked where I got my allegation that Hitler had light
brown hair, I told them, and THAT'S "*way* over the line"?  Geez, Tom,
stick to your Kosher Konservatism, if anything else is "racist" or
otherwise unpalatable for you.

Y'know, I began to suspect that you were an ass-kisser of the Limblob
variety when I saw your impassioned defense of the slinking methods of
Deborah Lipstadt, but now I know for sure.

Les




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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Converting to Judaism to Get Ahead
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Harry Katz (hkatz@usa.net) writes:
> In article ,
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) shows some uncharacteristic
> curiosity:
> 
> 	Just out of curiousity, Jenn:  how would an Orthodox jew who
> 	had committed a captital crime react to riding the lightning
> 	(being sent to the elctric chair) if his sentence occurred
> 	on a Saturday?
> 
> No problem, as long as the person pulling the switch is not himself
> Jewish!  (As the criminal is not turning the electricity on he is not
> guilty, but he cannot allow another Jew to commit a sin on his
> behalf.)
> 
> 
> --
> Harry Katz
> 
> Under no consideration lead men astray.
> 	-- The Wit and Wisdom of the Talmud, Madison C. Peters, ed.

So then, how do you explain this constant flogging of the "holocaust" fable?

Les




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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Eight Questions for Les Griswold (Round 2)
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arish (arish@ghetto.edu) writes:
> atticus@mindspring.com (Andy Walton) wrote many studpid things:
> 
> 	After reading his posts, I"m of the opionion that Andy Walton does not 
> deserve to be answered.  However, the statement regarding Charles Drew 
> is such a blatant falsehood that it has to be corrected.
> 	Charles Drew, who invented blood transfusion which saved many lives 
> during the war, was refused this life saving technique when he needed it 
> BECAUSE HE WAS BLACK.
> Any questions.

Nope, no questions.  Just an observation that you're full of it.  Drew was
NOT Black, at least not an apparent one.  Ever seen a picture of him? 
Fabio looks about as Black.

Les




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Jenn Starkman (jstarkma@chat.carleton.ca) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
>> Jenn Starkman (jstarkma@chat.carleton.ca) writes:
> 
>> > I wouldn't speak too quickly if I were you.  My boyfriend's a
>> > skinhead, and a martial-arts trained one at that.  He's also on the
>> > 'Net, probably reading this, and....ooh, you better turn around
>> > McKinstry--I think that first shot's aimed at your head...
> 
>> So what martial art is he trained in?  Wait, let me guess... jew-jitsu, right?
> 
> Bwahahahaha! Ha! Ha.  Gee Lester, where'd you rent the sense of
> humour?  You'd better try for a refund, 'cause it's a defective one.
> 
>> BTW, is this your pussy-whipped ex, or Riche?  All this playing fast and
>> loose with identities will give you a bad name, Jenn.
> 
> Gee, Lester, if you could read, you might have noticed that I referred
> to my "boyfriend".  I only have one current boyfriend--Rich.  

But... but, you called him your _fiance_, while you refered to the "Aryan
dream" as your (ex) boyfriend.  (Les scratches head - a not-uncommon
occurence when dealing with a jew).

Whassa matter?  Mommy and daddy didn't approve of little precious marrying
a _schwartz_?

Les






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