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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Is Eric Blace me, too?
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After all, HE posts from FreeNet too!  And, and, he's kept the same
sig.file for God knows how long, obviously in a ploy (by me) to be
"different" from me.  Pretty scary stuff, eh?  PLUS, he's an ardent
"anti-Nazi", which is proof that he's really me, just pretend opposition,
right?

Les

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Those whom the gods would destroy, first from their minds they take reason.
		-Lycurgus


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Jun  2 23:58:29 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Skin colour...
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(I've taken alt.rap and alt.punk out of the NG line because this is
irrelevant to them.)

Min-Sun Kim (smk8523@ocvaxa.cc.oberlin.edu) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
> 
>>I've been arguing against the simple-minded liberal argument that "Racists
>>hate Blacks ONLY because of their skin colour!"  It's not because they
>>don't know better (although god knows they're ignorant enough); rather,
>>it's because it makes it easier for them to refute us when they can
>>PRETEND that we base ALL of our philosophy on skin colour, and nothing
>>else.  Pretty pathetic, when you think about it.

> No, actually it's your own simple-mindedness that's pretty pathetic. Jesus, 
> you people are almost as bad as the creationists. Why don't you try taking 
> some science classes, college-level, and then back up your arguments with 
> proof. I wanted to keep all my science texts for reference but damn, I'm 
> willing to sell them to you for the good of society. The fact is, if blacks 
> and whites were so different, they would not be able to produce viable 
> offspring; which clearly is untrue.

But Min, surely even you realize that just because something CAN be done
is no argument for saying that it SHOULD be done.

> Therefore, if we take into account the 
> theory of evolution, in which the assumed prime objective of all life, from 
> virus to man, is reproducing and spreading around one's genes; blacks and 
> whites are the same animal. Since it is biologically possible for them to do 
> that with each other. 

My, what lax criteria you have!  In fact, you have only one; namely, that
Whites and Blacks can boink and have kiddies, so they SHOULD.

Real big-league reasoning there, Min!  Your liberal buddies will be PROUD
of you!

Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Jun  2 23:58:31 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Eric gets in on it!
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Eric Blace (ad792@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:

(snip)

> 1. Who are you to tell anyone they are full of shit?  

I'm Les Griswold.  Pleased to meet you, Eric.

> 2. The Video exist.  I have seen it.

Yes, there's a video of two WP types beating a commie with his own chain. 
There is NO such video as the type described by Lizard of George Burdi
kicking Alicia Reckzin in the face repeatedly as his friends stood around.

> 3. The assault is no longer alleged. Burdi was found guilty .  He did it.

Just because the legal system declared a certain way, doesn't mean a thing.

> 4. If anyone is a liar Les, it is you.  You lie about everything and
>    everyone.  

(responding in kind)  Yeah, so's your mother.

Les
 


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Those whom the gods would destroy, first from their minds they take reason.
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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Jun  2 23:58:37 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Lizard and his videos!
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 (lzaird@io.org) writes:

(snip)

>>> 2. The Video exist.  I have seen it.
>>
>>Yes, there's a video of two WP types beating a commie with his own chain. 
>>There is NO such video as the type described by Lizard of George Burdi
>>kicking Alicia Reckzin in the face repeatedly as his friends stood around.
> 
> How many times do I have to tell you Les?  I SAW IT ON NEWSWORLD!  I SAW 
> THE VIDEO!  Fuck you, it's in the bag....if I had the means I'd get the 
> footage, MPeG it and post it as a binary here so you'd shut up with the 
> revisionist crap.  In fact, I think I'll use what pull I have at the CBC 
> (very little, but hey...) to do just that!

Well, guess I'VE been told!

Strangely, the ONLY footage I've seen of that concert was of the two WP
types whipping the commie with his own chain... never saw anything even
remotely similar to what you describe.  You're a liar.

Les


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Those whom the gods would destroy, first from their minds they take reason.
		-Lycurgus


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Jun  3 13:43:21 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: My fan club... (was: Re: Hey ! Black ain't Beautiful)
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Jeffrey G. Brown (jeff_brown@pol.com) writes:

(snip)

> Charles R. L. Power took the trouble to look up the actual FBI Uniform
> Crime Report for 1988. The statistics you claimed to have found there
> do not exist. You tried to claim that Power had looked up the
> statistics for the wrong year, based on the date of publication given by
> Power. Someone pointed out the fairly obvious fact that complete
> statistics for 1988 cannot possibly be published until 1989 at the
> earliest. You fell strangely silent on the subject of your mythical
> statistics after that. It was obvious to all that you had indeed been
> caught in a lie.

Or maybe I'm not interested in a "yes it did!/no it didn't!" fight, like
you obviously are?

That's what I find particularly funny about people like you:  you believe
that YOUR interpretation is the ONLY correct one, and anyone else who
doesn't agree with you MUST be either a fool or a liar.

> Now you have found someone else spreading the same lie. You have trumpeted
> this fact as though it proves something. All it proves is that others are
> capable of lying as blatantly as you are -- hardly something to be proud
> of, I would think.
> 
> The historical facts of the Holocaust are well-documented -- by physical
> evidence, by eyewitness testimony, and by written documentation. Much of
> the eyewitness testimony was provided by the Nazis themselves. You and
> other 'scholars' claim constantly that such testimony was given under
> duress. When challenged to document this, you fall silent. Much of the
> written documentation was created by the Nazis, before the war was over.
> When challenged to substantiate your claims that such documents were
> forged, you and the other 'scholars' again are stricken dumb.
> 
> In short, your lies are transparently that -- lies. Now you trot out
> another liar, spouting the same falsehoods you yourself take such pride
> in. I ask again:  how can the same lie, told by two or more people, become
> the truth? It is irrelevant what those you disagree with may or may not
> have said. Your opinions of the facts of the Holocaust, and of those who
> challenge your viewpoints, are similarly irrelevant. How is _your_ lie
> redeemed, simply because someone else repeated it?

Like I said, Jeffy, you should be careful of using that word on a board
that deals with the "holocaust".

Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Jun  3 13:54:15 PDT 1995
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Elias Halldor Agustsson (elias@rhi.hi.is) writes:

(snip)

> Look at the bust of Neferditi.

You mean the real one, or the one that Black women wear on their T-shirts?

> While her features are not the ones that
> people most commonly assign to black africans, she looks far more similar
> to some sub-saharan tribes like the ethiopians or even the watussi, than
> to semitic or european people. Btw, what would you say that Iman (David
> Bowie's wife) was?

I would say that Iman is Somalian, since that's what SHE tells everyone
she is.

Les

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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Jun  3 14:12:24 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Min-Sun Kim (smk8523@ocvaxa.cc.oberlin.edu) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
>>
>>Andy Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
>>> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>> 
>>>    I've been arguing against the simple-minded liberal argument that "Racists
>>>    hate Blacks ONLY because of their skin colour!"  It's not because they
>>>    don't know better (although god knows they're ignorant enough); rather,
>>>    it's because it makes it easier for them to refute us when they can
>>>    PRETEND that we base ALL of our philosophy on skin colour, and nothing
>>>    else.  Pretty pathetic, when you think about it.
>>> 
>>> Okay, Les. Name another factor common to all blacks, which no or few
>>> whites share.
>>
>>Okay,. I'll name several:
>>
>>Hair texture.
>>Skin texture.
>>Ear wax.
>>Enzymes in the urine.
>>Body odour.
>>(from _Race_, by Dr. John A. Baker)
>>
>>And before you go running like a feeb with the question "How does ear wax
>>make you Aryan?", please keep in mind that I have exactly answered your
>>question, namely, named several physiological traits that are common to
>>Blacks that are shared by none or few Whites.
>>
>>I could also list some difference in brain structure, but I have the
>>feeling that that would start you on a rant again...

> Oh, you've got my interest now hon. Please do tell this neuroscience major the 
> difference in brain structures between blacks and whites?

Min, I don't give a damn HOW many "neuroscience" courses you've majored
in.  If the basic premise of your ideology is wrong, all the credentials
in the world won't make them right.  Steven J. Gould is not right, even
though he has a quite sizeable following.  Ashley Montagu isn't right,
even though he contributed to the 1950 UNESCO statement on race.  So don't
think you can come in here waving your diplomae, thinking that it will
earn you some sort of authority.

But I digress.  I can only remember one off the top of my head, but F.W.
Vint's 1934 study of Kenyan brains (White and Black Kenyans) found a
consistent different, the Blacks having a consistently thinner
supragranular layer than the Whites.

> Ooooh yeah I have a 
> feeling that neuroanatomy class I took (which kicked ass and qualified as a 
> medical school course) is gonna come in handy... Please? Do tell me? Perhaps 
> it's one of the six layers of the cortex? The pyramidal cell counts perhaps, 
> or the Purkinje cells?

Pyramidal cells.

> Err you do know what I'm talking about don't you? I'm 
> assuming it has to do with the cortices, as they are assumed to pertain to 
> higher functions? Am I right???

Yep.

> Can't be a low level function area is it?

Actually, certain areas of the brain were found to be in the Blacks'
advantage.  You'll forgive me, though, for not having the amazing
term-dropping ability that you do; you see, I'm just a po' ole igernant
White boy, without all them fancy papers n' stuff.

Les

BTW, I've TOLD you never to call me "hon" in public.


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Jun  3 14:12:26 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: J.D. Stoner and J.B. Stoner! (was: Re: Colors Of The Wind)
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Jennifer D. Stoner (jstoner@orion.it.luc.edu) writes:
> Reuben Logsdon (rlogsdon@mail.utexas.edu) wrote:
> : jstoner@orion.it.luc.edu (Jennifer D. Stoner) wrote:

> : > I'm expecting some really impressive flamework from some people so don't 
> : > dissapoint me.  
> 
> : I was wondering, are you any relation to J.B. Stoner, leader of the 
> : Aryan Nations?  Your initials are damn close.
> 
> lemme tell ya Reub... I hate being related that fucking mook.. but hey, 
> you can pick your friends but not your family...

And I'm sure he's just bursting with pride.

Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Jun  4 14:00:34 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Tactics For Racial Survival, part 2
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Andy Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:

(snip)
 
> "...That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men,
> deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed..." --T.
> Jefferson, 1776
> 
> Consent of the governed is the only criterion of a government's
> legitimacy, the only reason a citizenry has to respect its government
> rather than simply live in fear of it. A government built on any other
> basis is not a government at all, but an occupying force.

Geez, Andy, you're sounding more and more like a milita member with every
passing moment!

But there's something you should realize:  to an admittedly small, but
rapidly growing number, the concept of "occupying forces" is NOT some dry
philosophical debating device.
 
>    >       In the inevitable conflict the White race will undoubtedly be 
>    >    purged of its weakest elements and taught through an agonizing 
>    >    tribulation the error of it's misguided and unhealthy attitudes.
>    > 
>    > Sounds good to me.
>    
>    ANDY!!!  Are you really one of us?
>     
> No, Les. I think we have differing definitions of "its weakest elements"
> and "it's (sic) misguided and unhealthy attitudes."

I'll bet we do...
 
>    > It's entirely possible that 95% (a conservative estimate) of the
>    > population rejects an idea because it's a bad idea. And any society that
>    > is 95% corrupt isn't worth saving anyway, so fuck it. But when your little
>    > bands of thugs decide that it's time to start a war, you'll learn how
>    > quickly the apathetic mass of Americans find their resolve when you take
>    > aim at the freedoms on which this nation was founded.
>    
>    Who's dreaming now?
>    
>    That's a load of crap, Raggedy.  95% of the white population doesn't give
>    two shits in a snowstorm WHO'S on top, just so long as their TVs are on,
>    and their fridges are full.
>    
> And when a lot of teenage punks playing dress-up in pseudo-German uniforms
> start interfering with their reception, shooting their relatives, and
> blowing up the local McDonald's, you'll get their attention. 

BWAHAHAHA!!!  "Teenage punks...", indeed!  Where do you guys come up with
this shit?

> The vast majority of Americans, of any race, don't give a flying fuck at a
> rolling donut about anyone's rights but their own. That's why using
> minorities as a scapegoat has some potential, and is somewhat ominous. But
> when you reject 95% of the white population as chattel, and assume that
> your little band of Nazis is well-hung and studly enough to rule over a
> world that is 99+% hostile to it and its ideas, you cross over from
> radical politics to unrestrained masturbatory fantasy.

Just can't avoid those sexual references, can you, Raggedy?
 
> I'm not worried that Mr. Knight and his self-anointed elite will succeed
> in taking over anything larger than a suburban shopping mall. What worries
> me is random, senseless violence from a bunch of people who think they're
> doing God's work--who consider themselves above the law, morality, any
> sort of empathy with other human beings, or basic dental hygeine--and who
> act with a carefully-cultivated megalomania, secure in their righteous
> Aryan invulnerability.

"Basic dental hygiene".  You just HAD to slip that in there, didn't you?  
That's a really effective way of crippling your own arguments, which
you've done with howling success here.

Les


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The valiant never taste of death but once.
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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Jun  4 14:00:37 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Markie-Mark's ghost towns...
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MStaloff (mstaloff@aol.com) writes:
> OK, let's try this one more time.
> 
> You said in all of Canada, there are a lot of graveyards.  I never
> disagreed.  I just said that it's not as if every town in Canada is a
> ghost town with a huge graveyard

Nor is every town in Europe, turkey.

> (as your town apparently is) - that's what ALL the Jewish communities are 
> like in all those nations of Central Europe, huge Jewish graveyards with no 
> current Jewish inhabitants.

Sure, Markie, sure.

(snip)

> Yes, there are dead Jews in Canada.  But their descendents are accounted
> for - there are more Jews in Canada than any nation on the Continent save
> France and Russia, and maybe Ukraine (I don't know how the USSR stats
> break down).

Poor us.

> So, your point is not particularly relevant, nor terribly offensive, so you 
> failed on both counts.
> 
> Capiche?

Markie, you seem to operating under the misunderstanding that I CARE what
you have to say.

Les


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Cowards die many times before their deaths;
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		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Jun  4 14:00:39 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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MStaloff (mstaloff@aol.com) writes:
> Les wrote:
>   I wrote:
> 
>    >a)  What is a temporal ancestor?  Did you coin that term?
> 
>  -  I can take credit for coining the term, but not the word "Temporal". 
> "Temporal" refers to time, manure-for-brains.  I was hoping to take the
> wind out of your sales (sic) by being as specific as possible; sadly, I
> see that my effort was wasted, as you're (to put it nicely) dense.
> 
> Les, I know what "temporal" means (I've seen enough Star Trek) but you
> have yet to define the term "temporal ancestor".  Is that an ancestor
> you're not related to, like Da Vinci, Voltaire, or Luther?  You still
> haven't cleared that up - "Ancestor dealing with time" doesn't sound like
> it defines much of anything, Mr. Webster.

... I forgot whom I was dealing with.  Yes, temporal ancestor refers to an
ancestor that I can't claim to be related to.

>> b)  Once again, how does that make you a superior individual when you
> haven't contributed anything?
> 
> - Ah, yes, the liberal flag of "superior/inferior."
> 
> Well, Les, you seem to think you're superior to blacks, Jews, and Indians.
>  If you'd like to retract that, by all means, go right ahead, prove me
> wrong.  If you're not disagreeing, quit interrupting.

(snip - Hi, Markie!)
 
> - Second of all, where have *I* said that my ancestors (temporal or
> otherwise) swiped niggers (sic) from Africa, therefore I'm superior?
> 
> Les, find where I claimed that you said that, and we're even.

b) above.  Small unmarked bills, please.

Les


--
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
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		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Jun  4 14:07:28 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Injuns is BLACK, man!
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Andy Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>    You haven't been paying attention, Raggedy Andy.  Why doesn't that
>    surprise me?
>    
>    There WERE Aryans in India.  They conquered the subcontinent about 3200
>    years ago.  The indigenous Dravidian population outbred them, as is always
>    the case when Aryans conquer a vastly superior (in numbers only) swarm. 
>    The Dravidians that we see with the flies around their eyes on T.V. are
>    NOT Aryans, tool.
>    
> Everyone who has accomplished anything of note in 5,000ish years of
> recorded history was Aryan, according to Les. Any pack of starving rabble
> is not. Thus, we get the splendid circular argument that only Aryans are
> capable of accomplishing anything.

Now you're finally starting to understand, and gee!  it DIDN'T take a
crowbar to open up that closed mind of yours, Raggedy.
 
> So what's all this nonsense about Jews being wanderers? The Aryans are
> clearly the real globetrotters. They invented civilization in the Middle
> East, hopped over Egypt and built the pyramids, cruised over to India and
> civilized it, rolled on to the Mediterranean and built Athens and Sparta,
> and left there to build the Roman Empire, before settling in their little
> corner of Europe.

Oh, I see.  A moron.  Well, Raggedy, has it ever occurred to your little
mind that there may have been more than one branch of Aryans?  (scary
thought, I know, but hey, there you are.)
 
> In every case, the current residents of these places bear no relation to
> the Aryan masterminds of their ancient glory. Why the pattern? Aryan
> sterility? Or did they straddle their horses, straighten their hats,
> survey the scene, and say, "Well, I guess my work is done here," before
> riding off into the sunset to civilize another race of sub-humans?

Because the more intelligent people are, the less preocűcupied they are
with their instincts, including the instinct to do it like lemmings. 
While the Aryans were creating civilizations, the non-Whites were breeding
them out of existence.

> I'm eagerly awaiting the explanation of how the Aryans are responsible for
> the pyramids in Mexico, the Great Wall of China, and the bushido code.

Well, Raggedy, the Mexican "civilization" was apparently founded by a
White god who came across the sea.  The Japanese Samurai class (and the
whole warrior class) was, I've been told, originally White.  As for the
Great Wall of China:  true enough, non-Whites HAVE done SOME things, but
they're STILL not White.  You (and they) can parade non-White
"achievments" until the cows come home, but it won't PROVE anything.

Les



--
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Jun  4 14:07:31 PDT 1995
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Andy Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> In article , jcop@io.org (John Cooper) wrote:
> 
>    Why is it so inconceivable to you mindless liberal idiots that it is only 
>    colour that separates blacks from whites? I think the everyone would agree 
>    that all blacks are physically different from whites due to their genetic 
>    makeup, so why can't their intelligence be different, again due to genetic 
>    makeup?
> 
> I asked Les this, but he didn't answer. Not that that surprises me.

Sorry, Raggedy, but I DID answer.  Guess you just didn't notice, with your
nose up in the air like that (why doesn't that surprise ME?)
 
> Name one trait that all blacks share, and which no or very few whites
> exhibit. Then, I may see a rational basis for racism. Skin color doesn't
> count.

I in fact named several.  But, just to review for those not paying
attention (this means YOU, Raggedy):

Skin TEXTURE
Body odour
Ear wax 
Enzymes carried in the urine

(source:  _Race_, by Dr. John A. Baker)

>    Blacks consistently, and I mean consistently, score 20-25 points less than 
>    whites on IQ tests, not only in the U.S., but in Britain and Canada as well! 
> 
> I don't know why I'm wasting my time saying this, but...
> 
> ...and your source is...?
> 
> The following is off the top of my head, and all numbers are rough. I'll
> let someone with a better background in statistics clean up my messes.
> 
> Even if the median of Blacks' intelligence is 15% lower (the number
> floated in The Bell Curve) than the median of Whites--a point that has not
> been even rmotely proven--if the distribution is the same, then 25% of
> Blacks are above the median intelligence for whites.

Yeah, and 75% are BELOW.

> Even if the racists' postulates are correct, there are many blacks that are 
> more intelligent than many whites.

Never denied that.  Straw man, Raggedy.

> And yet, those more-intelligent blacks are less worthy than the
> less-intelligent whites. Why? Because people who are like me are, well,
> like me. And, obviously, that's the only way to be.

No.  Because every Black, no matter how intelligent, carries in his genes
the baggage of his race.  Since we can't pick and choose our genes,
there's a 75% chance AGAINST mulattoes being more intelligent than the
average White.  Plus, there's all the other "achievements" of the Black
race to consider.

> Drop the pseudo-scientific facade. Racism is nothing more than
> self-serving elitism,

All elitism is self-serving.  But at least racists are honest about it.

> Being unlike you is not, prima facie, the same as being inferior to you.

Deep, Andy.  It's not prima facie evidence that the alien is EQUAL to you,
either.

Les


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		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Randall H. Thatcher (rht3@po.CWRU.Edu) writes:
>>
>>>      By the way Les, please enlighten me as to what a "blue-gum" is.  
>>> Don't tell me that you've invented yet another phony criterion for racial 
>>> classification.
>>
>>Nope.  First heard the term in April 1993.  It refers to a Black who is SO
>>dark that his gums are almost blue.
> 
> some jackass i met in the south introduced me to the term a few years ago
> when i was on the road.  things haven't changed much down there, from what
> i can tell.  but i'm not a big fan of the south to begin with...  accents,
> slow driver, nice people, and they're not in a rush...  the uptight
> northerner is what i like..  not that it makes them bad ppl, i just thrive
> on the stressful lifestyle..

Tit for tat.  Southerners, by and large, think northerners, and people
like them, are assholes.

BTW, I heard the term "blue-gum" from a guy in WEST VIRGINIA, hardly the
heart of Dixie.  He was originally from California, and referred to
Mexicans as "beaners", though.

Les



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Anonymous IU Student (student@indiana.edu) writes:

(snip)

> Les, Les, Les,
> 
> Oh ye spewer of ignorance!
> 
> The most deadly urban riot was the New York Draft Roits during the Civil
> War when hostile and barbarous groups of caucasoids attacked innocent black
> people and their instituions like churches. Some government facilities were
> attacked too.  
> Les, you seem to suffer from historical amnesia. Have you ever heard of the 
> Atlanta Race Riots of 1906? East St. Louis? Detroit (43') The summer of 1919  
> was so deadly for blacks that it was termed "Red Summer" by blacks because
> of the death from white barbarism. 
> BTW, there has never been a race riot in US history when more white than 
> blacks were killed.

Which tells us what, exactly?

> This does not include the numerous drunken white college students that riot
> annually.
> 
> So much for your little foolish theory about white civility and their 
> "riot-resistant" culture.  Your sick racist mind imposes some pretty 
> formidible blinders, heh?

But only Whites can be racist, right?  The Tutsi/Hutu differences of
opinion have NOTHING to do with race, right?
  
>> Oh, boo-hoo-hoo.  These White riots just took place for no reason, right? 
>> Some good ole boys just up and said, "Hey, let's lynch us some niggers!"
>> 
>> The Protection of White Womanhood is a "bugaboo" (and a racist one at
>> that)?  Funny.  I've always believed that if there's anything worth
>> fighting for, it's White women.  After all, they are the bearers of our
>> future.

Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Jun  5 05:42:54 PDT 1995
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Edward Tsong (edtsong@fas.harvard.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : > 
> : > Les, how do you feel, knowing that recent examination of the Y chromosome 
> : > has provided strong evidence against your "theory" of the human race 
> : > evolving at different times in different places?
> 
> : I doubt strongly the veracity of such claims, but even if true, it shows
> 
> What, exactly, are your doubts based upon?

Observation of:

Haiti
Rwanda
Somalia
Detroit
Washington, D.C. (especially Georgetown)
Anywhere else that non-Whites constitute the majority of the populace, and
influence the means of living (the lifestyle, if you will).

> Have you even seen this 
> article in which the Y chromosome evidence was presented, and if not, how 
> can you possibly criticize the findings? You can read about it in the 
> latest issue of Science magazine. The work came from Walter Gilbert's 
> lab (a Nobel prizewinner...)

Are you SERIOUSLY telling me that Walter Gilbert's work PROVES that Blacks
and other non-Whites are very similar to Whites?  That seems to be the
inference from the statement that the races all crossed the threshhold
into _sapiens_ at the same time, as "proved" by the Y chromosome studies.

As for Dr. Gilbert's Nobel prize, you obviously think that ANYONE with a
trophy is qualified to expound on anything.  Like I said to Min
Whatsername, if your basic ideas are wrong, diplomas and Nobel prizes
aren't going to make them right.

Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Jun  5 05:42:57 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: Liberal hypocrisy (*yawn* so what else is new?)
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MStaloff (mstaloff@aol.com) writes:
> OK, Les, we're getting somewhere.  Just answer these questions.
> 
> a)  What exactly is a  "temporal" ancestor?  Did you coin that term?

I can take credit for coining the term, but not the word "temporal". 
"Temporal" refers to time, manure-for-brains.  I was hoping to take the
wind out of your sales by being as specific as possible; sadly, I see that
my effort was wasted, as you're (to put it nicely) dense.

> b)  Once again, how does that make you a superior individual when you 
> haven't contributed anything?

Ah, yes, the liberal red-flag of "superior/inferior".  First of all, how
do you KNOW I haven't contributed anything (that's even assuming I CARE
about "contributing" in a fashion you'd recognize)?  Second of all, where
have *I* said that my ancestors (temporal or otherwise) swiped niggers
>from  Africa, therefore I'm superior?

Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Jun  5 05:42:59 PDT 1995
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MStaloff (mstaloff@aol.com) writes:
> (Les's take on the suburbs)
> 
> Well, Les, you're talking about one toen.

Hahaha!!!  Okay, I'll expand it to all of Canada - there are a whole hell
of a lot of graveyards (and tombstones) in Canada

> I'm talking about a broad swath
> of Europe, including Germany, Poland, Czech. Republic, Slovakia, Hungary,
> Austria, etc.  The population of Canada as a whole is consistent with the
> existence of large graveyards - for every old, abandoned town with large
> graveyards and few inhabitants, there is a town 10-20 kilometers further
> out with a lot of new houses and few graveyards.  Minor population shifts
> - it all balances out.  However, that part of Europe is a continuous band
> of abandoned huge graveyards, and there aren't new suburban shtetls 10 km
> down the road.  In Ontario, there are a large number of buried Canadians,
> but also a large number of living Canadians - in the countries I
> mentioned, there is a huge number of buried Jews, many of whom died in the
> first third of this century, and very few of their descendents are to be
> found ANYWHERE in the world.  Hence, your analogy isn't valid.

Ha!!!  IN Canada, there are a lot of dead jews, too, Markie.
 
> BTW, will you ever respond to bearcat's response?

Probably not.  Bearcat's a moron.

Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Jun  5 05:43:20 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: Tactics For Racial Survival
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Andy Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> bf221@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Rick Knight) wrote:
> 
>       A Democratic solution will never be found for the 
>    dilemma facing the White race, Democracy itself 
>    precludes such a solution. The average man is, and has 
>    always been, too thoughtless and apathetic to be capable 
>    of making the difficult decisions and taking the unpleasant 
>    steps required to create real change.
> 
> In other words, not even all whites are full citizens in this guy's
> weltanschauung. Race is just an excuse for the creation of the ruling
> cabal of which he hopes to be a part.

And this is bad because...?  When you start handing out citizenship like
it was candy, ESPECIALLY to people who know neither how to use it, nor are
particularly concerned with all the duties it imposes, you cheapen the
whole institution.  Citizenship should be EARNED, not granted willy-nilly
to anything born here, as it is now.

>       In this deceptive process the Jew plays a key role. Every 
>    possible choice a voter can make at the ballot box has 
>    already been preapproved by the ZOG overlords. No 
>    candidate will be unaffected by their powerful influence 
>    and no candidate will ever have the power to oppose them. 
>    With the Zionist control of the mass media and it's opinion 
>    forming influence over the masses, the message of White 
>    Nationalism will not be heard in an unmolested form. 
>    
>       Many White Nationalists still struggle for Democratic 
>    solutions which will never come about. They try to vote 
>    for the most conservative candidates in hopes that through 
>    some miracle these impostors will stumble upon the issue 
>    of White racial survival. 
>       
> The question, then, is obvious. If you can't motivate enough support to
> win a single election, how do you hope to recruit enough people to lead a
> successful revolution?

I see.  Did the American patriots hold recruiting drives for more warm
bodies just before 1776?

(snip)

> In other words, nothing less than complete, worldwide domination, with or
> without the consent of the governed, is acceptible. But they just want to
> be left alone, to live in peace, right?

We already have that, Raggedy Andy (government without consent, that is). 
Why the sudden concern with "consent"?

>       In the inevitable conflict the White race will undoubtedly be 
>    purged of its weakest elements and taught through an agonizing 
>    tribulation the error of it's misguided and unhealthy attitudes.
> 
> Sounds good to me.

ANDY!!!  Are you really one of us?
 
(snip)

> It's entirely possible that 95% (a conservative estimate) of the
> population rejects an idea because it's a bad idea. And any society that
> is 95% corrupt isn't worth saving anyway, so fuck it. But when your little
> bands of thugs decide that it's time to start a war, you'll learn how
> quickly the apathetic mass of Americans find their resolve when you take
> aim at the freedoms on which this nation was founded.

Who's dreaming now?

That's a load of crap, Raggedy.  95% of the white population doesn't give
two shits in a snowstorm WHO'S on top, just so long as their TVs are on,
and their fridges are full.

Les

--
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Jun  5 15:15:44 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Tactics For Racial Survival
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Andy Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>    My cirteria for citizenship?  Intelligence, ambition, ability, civic
>    concern, for starters.  Most people don't have all these qualities, at
>    least not in sufficient quantity to justify their full participation in
>    politics.
> 
> All qualitative. Who judges? You?

Yes.  But yet again, at least I have the honesty to admit it.  Liberals
never do; they keep appealing to some higher power for their morality.
(what a contradiction in terms).
    
>    And here you go with the perjorative terms again.  That must be a neat
>    little world you live in, Raggedy Andy, where there are ONLY citizens and
>    slaves.
> 
> Any class of people without a voice in their government, who don't enjoy
> equal protection under the law, and who are held to be inferior under the
> law are slaves, every bit as much as the citizens of the late, unlamented
> USSR were. You say "second-class citizens," I say "slaves." Tomato,
> tomato. Let's call the whole thing off. 

"Voice in their government"?  "Equal protection under the law"?  Gee,
sounds a lot like what "progressive" governments want to do to White
Racists (and who's a White Racist?  Why, anyone they SAY is!  What was
that about subjectivity, Raggedy?)

(snip)

> They had beer. And cockfights, and various other diversions.

Shit,  I can't tell if I have appendicitis, or just a sore gut from
laughing!  Sure, the Americans of the 18th century had their faults; if
you'd ever READ any of my other messages, you'd know that I don't look
blindly at the past and say, "Gee, what great lives they had!  Let's be
just like them!"  Unlike you, I have powers of discrimination, and I don't
believe that newer necessarily means better.

> The Americans
> of the 18th century were largely involved in their own lives, with scant
> concern for affairs of state. A far higher percentage of the population
> was illiterate.

So?  They may have been largely illiterate, but they had more courage and
determination than the typical 20th century bookworm.

(snip)

> One way or another, a leader will emerge. They always do, in a
> crisis--people are complacent, but not catatonic. 

Groundless assertion and blind faith, Raggedy.
 
(snip)

> I agree that one shouldn't reject an idea because it's old. You shouldn't
> embrace it for that reason, either. I don't reject expulsion of jews
> because it was first done in the middle ages. I reject it because it's a
> bad idea.

In your opinion.  I'd say that any people who had a lot of experience with
a situation should be the ones to judge how to resolve it.  Europeans in
the Middle Ages had jews; Serbs have Muslims; the postbellum South has
Blacks.

Les
--
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Jun  5 21:00:23 PDT 1995
Article: 5334 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Why chromosomes? (was: Re: A cure for the blind...)
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Edward Tsong (edtsong@fas.harvard.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : > 
> : > Les, how do you feel, knowing that recent examination of the Y chromosome 
> : > has provided strong evidence against your "theory" of the human race 
> : > evolving at different times in different places?
> 
> : I doubt strongly the veracity of such claims, but even if true, it shows
> 
> What, exactly, are your doubts based upon?

Observation of:

Haiti
Rwanda
Somalia
Detroit
Washington, D.C. (especially Georgetown)
Anywhere else that non-Whites constitute the majority of the populace, and
influence the means of living (the lifestyle, if you will).

> Have you even seen this 
> article in which the Y chromosome evidence was presented, and if not, how 
> can you possibly criticize the findings? You can read about it in the 
> latest issue of Science magazine. The work came from Walter Gilbert's 
> lab (a Nobel prizewinner...)

Are you SERIOUSLY telling me that Walter Gilbert's work PROVES that Blacks
and other non-Whites are very similar to Whites?  That seems to be the
inference from the statement that the races all crossed the threshhold
into _sapiens_ at the same time, as "proved" by the Y chromosome studies.

As for Dr. Gilbert's Nobel prize, you obviously think that ANYONE with a
trophy is qualified to expound on anything.  Like I said to Min
Whatsername, if your basic ideas are wrong, diplomas and Nobel prizes
aren't going to make them right.

Les


--
Those whom the gods would destroy, first from their minds they take reason.
		-Lycurgus


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Jun  5 21:00:25 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Liberal hypocrisy (*yawn* so what else is new?)
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MStaloff (mstaloff@aol.com) writes:
> OK, Les, we're getting somewhere.  Just answer these questions.
> 
> a)  What exactly is a  "temporal" ancestor?  Did you coin that term?

I can take credit for coining the term, but not the word "temporal". 
"Temporal" refers to time, manure-for-brains.  I was hoping to take the
wind out of your sales by being as specific as possible; sadly, I see that
my effort was wasted, as you're (to put it nicely) dense.

> b)  Once again, how does that make you a superior individual when you 
> haven't contributed anything?

Ah, yes, the liberal red-flag of "superior/inferior".  First of all, how
do you KNOW I haven't contributed anything (that's even assuming I CARE
about "contributing" in a fashion you'd recognize)?  Second of all, where
have *I* said that my ancestors (temporal or otherwise) swiped niggers
>from  Africa, therefore I'm superior?

Les


--
Those whom the gods would destroy, first from their minds they take reason.
		-Lycurgus


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Jun  5 21:00:28 PDT 1995
Article: 5336 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Les, we're back.
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MStaloff (mstaloff@aol.com) writes:
> (Les's take on the suburbs)
> 
> Well, Les, you're talking about one toen.

Hahaha!!!  Okay, I'll expand it to all of Canada - there are a whole hell
of a lot of graveyards (and tombstones) in Canada

> I'm talking about a broad swath
> of Europe, including Germany, Poland, Czech. Republic, Slovakia, Hungary,
> Austria, etc.  The population of Canada as a whole is consistent with the
> existence of large graveyards - for every old, abandoned town with large
> graveyards and few inhabitants, there is a town 10-20 kilometers further
> out with a lot of new houses and few graveyards.  Minor population shifts
> - it all balances out.  However, that part of Europe is a continuous band
> of abandoned huge graveyards, and there aren't new suburban shtetls 10 km
> down the road.  In Ontario, there are a large number of buried Canadians,
> but also a large number of living Canadians - in the countries I
> mentioned, there is a huge number of buried Jews, many of whom died in the
> first third of this century, and very few of their descendents are to be
> found ANYWHERE in the world.  Hence, your analogy isn't valid.

Ha!!!  IN Canada, there are a lot of dead jews, too, Markie.
 
> BTW, will you ever respond to bearcat's response?

Probably not.  Bearcat's a moron.

Les


--
Those whom the gods would destroy, first from their minds they take reason.
		-Lycurgus


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Jun  5 21:00:48 PDT 1995
Article: 5362 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Tactics For Racial Survival
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Andy Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> bf221@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Rick Knight) wrote:
> 
>       A Democratic solution will never be found for the 
>    dilemma facing the White race, Democracy itself 
>    precludes such a solution. The average man is, and has 
>    always been, too thoughtless and apathetic to be capable 
>    of making the difficult decisions and taking the unpleasant 
>    steps required to create real change.
> 
> In other words, not even all whites are full citizens in this guy's
> weltanschauung. Race is just an excuse for the creation of the ruling
> cabal of which he hopes to be a part.

And this is bad because...?  When you start handing out citizenship like
it was candy, ESPECIALLY to people who know neither how to use it, nor are
particularly concerned with all the duties it imposes, you cheapen the
whole institution.  Citizenship should be EARNED, not granted willy-nilly
to anything born here, as it is now.

>       In this deceptive process the Jew plays a key role. Every 
>    possible choice a voter can make at the ballot box has 
>    already been preapproved by the ZOG overlords. No 
>    candidate will be unaffected by their powerful influence 
>    and no candidate will ever have the power to oppose them. 
>    With the Zionist control of the mass media and it's opinion 
>    forming influence over the masses, the message of White 
>    Nationalism will not be heard in an unmolested form. 
>    
>       Many White Nationalists still struggle for Democratic 
>    solutions which will never come about. They try to vote 
>    for the most conservative candidates in hopes that through 
>    some miracle these impostors will stumble upon the issue 
>    of White racial survival. 
>       
> The question, then, is obvious. If you can't motivate enough support to
> win a single election, how do you hope to recruit enough people to lead a
> successful revolution?

I see.  Did the American patriots hold recruiting drives for more warm
bodies just before 1776?

(snip)

> In other words, nothing less than complete, worldwide domination, with or
> without the consent of the governed, is acceptible. But they just want to
> be left alone, to live in peace, right?

We already have that, Raggedy Andy (government without consent, that is). 
Why the sudden concern with "consent"?

>       In the inevitable conflict the White race will undoubtedly be 
>    purged of its weakest elements and taught through an agonizing 
>    tribulation the error of it's misguided and unhealthy attitudes.
> 
> Sounds good to me.

ANDY!!!  Are you really one of us?
 
(snip)

> It's entirely possible that 95% (a conservative estimate) of the
> population rejects an idea because it's a bad idea. And any society that
> is 95% corrupt isn't worth saving anyway, so fuck it. But when your little
> bands of thugs decide that it's time to start a war, you'll learn how
> quickly the apathetic mass of Americans find their resolve when you take
> aim at the freedoms on which this nation was founded.

Who's dreaming now?

That's a load of crap, Raggedy.  95% of the white population doesn't give
two shits in a snowstorm WHO'S on top, just so long as their TVs are on,
and their fridges are full.

Les

--
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Jun  5 21:01:09 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Tactics For Racial Survival
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Andy Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>    My cirteria for citizenship?  Intelligence, ambition, ability, civic
>    concern, for starters.  Most people don't have all these qualities, at
>    least not in sufficient quantity to justify their full participation in
>    politics.
> 
> All qualitative. Who judges? You?

Yes.  But yet again, at least I have the honesty to admit it.  Liberals
never do; they keep appealing to some higher power for their morality.
(what a contradiction in terms).
    
>    And here you go with the perjorative terms again.  That must be a neat
>    little world you live in, Raggedy Andy, where there are ONLY citizens and
>    slaves.
> 
> Any class of people without a voice in their government, who don't enjoy
> equal protection under the law, and who are held to be inferior under the
> law are slaves, every bit as much as the citizens of the late, unlamented
> USSR were. You say "second-class citizens," I say "slaves." Tomato,
> tomato. Let's call the whole thing off. 

"Voice in their government"?  "Equal protection under the law"?  Gee,
sounds a lot like what "progressive" governments want to do to White
Racists (and who's a White Racist?  Why, anyone they SAY is!  What was
that about subjectivity, Raggedy?)

(snip)

> They had beer. And cockfights, and various other diversions.

Shit,  I can't tell if I have appendicitis, or just a sore gut from
laughing!  Sure, the Americans of the 18th century had their faults; if
you'd ever READ any of my other messages, you'd know that I don't look
blindly at the past and say, "Gee, what great lives they had!  Let's be
just like them!"  Unlike you, I have powers of discrimination, and I don't
believe that newer necessarily means better.

> The Americans
> of the 18th century were largely involved in their own lives, with scant
> concern for affairs of state. A far higher percentage of the population
> was illiterate.

So?  They may have been largely illiterate, but they had more courage and
determination than the typical 20th century bookworm.

(snip)

> One way or another, a leader will emerge. They always do, in a
> crisis--people are complacent, but not catatonic. 

Groundless assertion and blind faith, Raggedy.
 
(snip)

> I agree that one shouldn't reject an idea because it's old. You shouldn't
> embrace it for that reason, either. I don't reject expulsion of jews
> because it was first done in the middle ages. I reject it because it's a
> bad idea.

In your opinion.  I'd say that any people who had a lot of experience with
a situation should be the ones to judge how to resolve it.  Europeans in
the Middle Ages had jews; Serbs have Muslims; the postbellum South has
Blacks.

Les
--
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Jun  5 22:30:14 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: Steve Garza and suicide.
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Andy Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>   > It has everything to do with this or any other newsgroup on politics. Oh,
>    > your favorite hero Adolf Hitler commited suicide in case you had
>    > forgotton.
>    
>    Wartime propaganda.  Hitler died fighting.
> 
> Fighting whom? Are you saying that he didn't die in the bunker, but on the
> front lines? Amazing that no one noticed him.

No, Raggedy Andy, he died fighting the Russians.  Remember those lovable,
cuddly communist nice guys?  They were swarming all over Berlin in late
April of 1945. 

Les


--
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		-Lycurgus


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Chris Faatz (cfaatz@teleport.com) writes:

(snip)

> As to your being an anti-semite, I think you're making a critical error
> in reasoning. I see *no* evidence of Jews driving history, and the heroic
> Aryan trying to struggle for what's best in world civilization against
> the heinous race mixers and internationalists.

"There are none so blind as them that will not see."

> I see innuendoes and misquotes and sloppy history, and very little else. 
> _Imperium_ proves nothing to me other than that the guy had a command of 
> language. _Mein Kampf_ doesn't even have that. Dr. Pierce, as I've said 
> before, is a joy to read, but consistently non-factual. Ditto for Revilo 
> (god, how I love that guy's name).

Really?  WHERE are Dr. Pierce and Dr. Revilo non-factual?

I suspect that your railing against them for being "non-factual" stems
>from  the fact that they *do* see what you refuse to.

> Give me something else other than unsupported assertions. I try and be
> open-minded;

So that any old thing can just fly in there?

> I read everything I can on everything I can.

That sort of attitude equates the funny papers with _Mein Kampf_.

> : Alternatives to national socialism?  Chris, you make the mistaken
> : (although common) assumption that I, and others like me, are hopelessly
> : mired in post-WWI Germany.  We aren't, I assure you.
> 
> Okay, so what does that tell me? I promise, I'm not trying to "make nice."
> I'm up front about my politics; what are yours.

Are you SERIOUS?!?  Have you been sleeping since you came here?

> Can you be explicit? Can you be concise? Can you be civil about it? I 
> suspect you can. I invite you to do so.

So I'm not a card-carrying member of any mainstream political party.  So
what's that prove?

(snip)

> Hey, I've said before, much left-wing stuff stinks. I'm a huge fan of folks
> like Chodorov, Nock, and Russell Kirk. Because they had *principles* that
> they could *support.* My worldview isn't a simple marxism-leninism, although
> at one point it may have been (many years ago, my friend). It's much more
> complicated than that. And, my *sources* aren't all left-wing either. Do
> you read "Chronicles"? "Human Events"? "Reason," "Liberty," and other such
> stuff? I do.
> 
> OTOH, do you read "Monthly Review"? "The Progressive"? "Covert Action
> Quarterly"? "Fellowship"? "The Nonviolent Activist"? I do those as well.

So I don't have a big reading list like you do, nor can I (nor will I)
drop names as readily as you.  So?  There's more to life than reading,
and there's more to reading than getting ink on your fingers.

Les


--
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


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Andy Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>    My cirteria for citizenship?  Intelligence, ambition, ability, civic
>    concern, for starters.  Most people don't have all these qualities, at
>    least not in sufficient quantity to justify their full participation in
>    politics.
> 
> All qualitative. Who judges? You?


Yes.  But yet again, at least I have the honesty to admit it.  Liberals
never do; they keep appealing to some higher power for their morality.
(what a contradiction in terms).
    
>    And here you go with the perjorative terms again.  That must be a neat
>    little world you live in, Raggedy Andy, where there are ONLY citizens and
>    slaves.
> 
> Any class of people without a voice in their government, who don't enjoy
> equal protection under the law, and who are held to be inferior under the
> law are slaves, every bit as much as the citizens of the late, unlamented
> USSR were. You say "second-class citizens," I say "slaves." Tomato,
> tomato. Let's call the whole thing off. 

"Voice in their government"?  "Equal protection under the law"?  Gee,
sounds a lot like what "progressive" governments want to do to White
Racists (and who's a White Racist?  Why, anyone they SAY is!  What was
that about subjectivity, Raggedy?)

(snip)

> They had beer. And cockfights, and various other diversions.

Shit,  I can't tell if I have appendicitis, or just a sore gut from
laughing!  Sure, the Americans of the 18th century had their faults; if
you'd ever READ any of my other messages, you'd know that I don't look
blindly at the past and say, "Gee, what great lives they had!  Let's be
just like them!"  Unlike you, I have powers of discrimination, and I don't
believe that newer necessarily means better.

> The Americans
> of the 18th century were largely involved in their own lives, with scant
> concern for affairs of state. A far higher percentage of the population
> was illiterate.

So?  They may have been largely illiterate, but they had more courage and
determination than the typical 20th century bookworm.

(snip)

> One way or another, a leader will emerge. They always do, in a
> crisis--people are complacent, but not catatonic. 

Groundless assertion and blind faith, Raggedy.
 
(snip)

> I agree that one shouldn't reject an idea because it's old. You shouldn't
> embrace it for that reason, either. I don't reject expulsion of jews
> because it was first done in the middle ages. I reject it because it's a
> bad idea.

In your opinion.  I'd say that any people who had a lot of experience with
a situation should be the ones to judge how to resolve it.  Europeans in
the Middle Ages had jews; Serbs have Muslims; the postbellum South has
Blacks.

Les


--
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Jun  5 22:31:20 PDT 1995
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John Cooper (jcop@io.org) writes:
>>: Justin Wood  wrote:
> 
>>: >: Blacks consistently, and I mean consistently, score 20-25 points less than 
>>: >: whites on IQ tests, not only in the U.S., but in Britain and Canada as 
>>: >: well!
> 
>>I always find it EXCEEDINGLY ironic that the retards are the ones who 
>>constantly harp on this point.  Never seen ONE person with a truly open 
>>and inquiring mind who had the LEAST interest in such drivel!
> 
> If whites are retards, then blacks must truly be morons! The IQ arguement is 
> continually brought up because it is true! Again, I will say the proof is in 
> the pudding - compare black nations with white nations- where would you rather 
> live?

No question about it.  Liberals really hate and are embarrassed by, the
lack of Black achievements in the real world.  This in large part explains
their appropriation of all White cultural achievements as actually having
depended upon Black innovations.

Les


--
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Jun  5 22:31:22 PDT 1995
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Wednesday/jones (heike@ix.netcom.com) writes:

(snip)

> you mean like the method for separating whole blood into plasma so that
> it can be stored indefinitely?  that advancement was contributed by dr.
> charles drew just before the beginning of the second world war.  he was
> black.  you know what white ingenuity contributed to drew's work?  the
> state department decided that contributions of blood for wounded
> servicemen would NOT be accepted from black donors even though the
> inventor (and several white doctors) had mountains of proof showing
> that the blood was no different.

You ever seen Dr. Drew, or pictures of him?  He's about as Black as the driven 
snow.

Please, stick with the claims that ancient Egyptians were really Black. 
It's funnier.

> so thousands of gallons of potentially life saving plasma was not accepted.  
> how many nice white boys died for lack of this stored blood?

Probably not too many.

I read in _Paved With Good Intentions_ about how Blacks are organ donors
much less often than Whites because (get this) they're afraid of their
donated organs going to Whites.  Whites, by and large, don't have such
concerns.  I also read in that book that interracial organ transplants
have a higher rate of rejection.

Les


--
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Jun  6 05:43:07 PDT 1995
Article: 4404 of alt.politics.white-power
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Subject: Re: What *incredible* intellect! (was pet nazis)
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Chris Faatz (cfaatz@teleport.com) writes:

(snip)

> As to your being an anti-semite, I think you're making a critical error
> in reasoning. I see *no* evidence of Jews driving history, and the heroic
> Aryan trying to struggle for what's best in world civilization against
> the heinous race mixers and internationalists.

"There are none so blind as them that will not see."

> I see innuendoes and misquotes and sloppy history, and very little else. 
> _Imperium_ proves nothing to me other than that the guy had a command of 
> language. _Mein Kampf_ doesn't even have that. Dr. Pierce, as I've said 
> before, is a joy to read, but consistently non-factual. Ditto for Revilo 
> (god, how I love that guy's name).

Really?  WHERE are Dr. Pierce and Dr. Revilo non-factual?

I suspect that your railing against them for being "non-factual" stems
>from  the fact that they *do* see what you refuse to.

> Give me something else other than unsupported assertions. I try and be
> open-minded;

So that any old thing can just fly in there?

> I read everything I can on everything I can.

That sort of attitude equates the funny papers with _Mein Kampf_.

> : Alternatives to national socialism?  Chris, you make the mistaken
> : (although common) assumption that I, and others like me, are hopelessly
> : mired in post-WWI Germany.  We aren't, I assure you.
> 
> Okay, so what does that tell me? I promise, I'm not trying to "make nice."
> I'm up front about my politics; what are yours.

Are you SERIOUS?!?  Have you been sleeping since you came here?

> Can you be explicit? Can you be concise? Can you be civil about it? I 
> suspect you can. I invite you to do so.

So I'm not a card-carrying member of any mainstream political party.  So
what's that prove?

(snip)

> Hey, I've said before, much left-wing stuff stinks. I'm a huge fan of folks
> like Chodorov, Nock, and Russell Kirk. Because they had *principles* that
> they could *support.* My worldview isn't a simple marxism-leninism, although
> at one point it may have been (many years ago, my friend). It's much more
> complicated than that. And, my *sources* aren't all left-wing either. Do
> you read "Chronicles"? "Human Events"? "Reason," "Liberty," and other such
> stuff? I do.
> 
> OTOH, do you read "Monthly Review"? "The Progressive"? "Covert Action
> Quarterly"? "Fellowship"? "The Nonviolent Activist"? I do those as well.

So I don't have a big reading list like you do, nor can I (nor will I)
drop names as readily as you.  So?  There's more to life than reading,
and there's more to reading than getting ink on your fingers.

Les


--
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Jun  6 05:43:58 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Tactics For Racial Survival
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Andy Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>    My cirteria for citizenship?  Intelligence, ambition, ability, civic
>    concern, for starters.  Most people don't have all these qualities, at
>    least not in sufficient quantity to justify their full participation in
>    politics.
> 
> All qualitative. Who judges? You?


Yes.  But yet again, at least I have the honesty to admit it.  Liberals
never do; they keep appealing to some higher power for their morality.
(what a contradiction in terms).
    
>    And here you go with the perjorative terms again.  That must be a neat
>    little world you live in, Raggedy Andy, where there are ONLY citizens and
>    slaves.
> 
> Any class of people without a voice in their government, who don't enjoy
> equal protection under the law, and who are held to be inferior under the
> law are slaves, every bit as much as the citizens of the late, unlamented
> USSR were. You say "second-class citizens," I say "slaves." Tomato,
> tomato. Let's call the whole thing off. 

"Voice in their government"?  "Equal protection under the law"?  Gee,
sounds a lot like what "progressive" governments want to do to White
Racists (and who's a White Racist?  Why, anyone they SAY is!  What was
that about subjectivity, Raggedy?)

(snip)

> They had beer. And cockfights, and various other diversions.

Shit,  I can't tell if I have appendicitis, or just a sore gut from
laughing!  Sure, the Americans of the 18th century had their faults; if
you'd ever READ any of my other messages, you'd know that I don't look
blindly at the past and say, "Gee, what great lives they had!  Let's be
just like them!"  Unlike you, I have powers of discrimination, and I don't
believe that newer necessarily means better.

> The Americans
> of the 18th century were largely involved in their own lives, with scant
> concern for affairs of state. A far higher percentage of the population
> was illiterate.

So?  They may have been largely illiterate, but they had more courage and
determination than the typical 20th century bookworm.

(snip)

> One way or another, a leader will emerge. They always do, in a
> crisis--people are complacent, but not catatonic. 

Groundless assertion and blind faith, Raggedy.
 
(snip)

> I agree that one shouldn't reject an idea because it's old. You shouldn't
> embrace it for that reason, either. I don't reject expulsion of jews
> because it was first done in the middle ages. I reject it because it's a
> bad idea.

In your opinion.  I'd say that any people who had a lot of experience with
a situation should be the ones to judge how to resolve it.  Europeans in
the Middle Ages had jews; Serbs have Muslims; the postbellum South has
Blacks.

Les


--
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Jun  6 05:44:06 PDT 1995
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John Cooper (jcop@io.org) writes:
>>: Justin Wood  wrote:
> 
>>: >: Blacks consistently, and I mean consistently, score 20-25 points less than 
>>: >: whites on IQ tests, not only in the U.S., but in Britain and Canada as 
>>: >: well!
> 
>>I always find it EXCEEDINGLY ironic that the retards are the ones who 
>>constantly harp on this point.  Never seen ONE person with a truly open 
>>and inquiring mind who had the LEAST interest in such drivel!
> 
> If whites are retards, then blacks must truly be morons! The IQ arguement is 
> continually brought up because it is true! Again, I will say the proof is in 
> the pudding - compare black nations with white nations- where would you rather 
> live?

No question about it.  Liberals really hate and are embarrassed by, the
lack of Black achievements in the real world.  This in large part explains
their appropriation of all White cultural achievements as actually having
depended upon Black innovations.

Les


--
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Jun  6 05:44:09 PDT 1995
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Wednesday/jones (heike@ix.netcom.com) writes:

(snip)

> you mean like the method for separating whole blood into plasma so that
> it can be stored indefinitely?  that advancement was contributed by dr.
> charles drew just before the beginning of the second world war.  he was
> black.  you know what white ingenuity contributed to drew's work?  the
> state department decided that contributions of blood for wounded
> servicemen would NOT be accepted from black donors even though the
> inventor (and several white doctors) had mountains of proof showing
> that the blood was no different.

You ever seen Dr. Drew, or pictures of him?  He's about as Black as the driven 
snow.

Please, stick with the claims that ancient Egyptians were really Black. 
It's funnier.

> so thousands of gallons of potentially life saving plasma was not accepted.  
> how many nice white boys died for lack of this stored blood?

Probably not too many.

I read in _Paved With Good Intentions_ about how Blacks are organ donors
much less often than Whites because (get this) they're afraid of their
donated organs going to Whites.  Whites, by and large, don't have such
concerns.  I also read in that book that interracial organ transplants
have a higher rate of rejection.

Les


--
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Jun  6 15:03:59 PDT 1995
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Subject: Excrementum vincit cerebellum
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That's Latin for "Bullshit baffles brains".  Applies particularly well to
the screechy liberal rantings about equality.  Ever notice how they try to
confuse anyone else with big words?  That's the excrement referred to above.

Les

--
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Jun  6 15:04:03 PDT 1995
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Min-Sun Kim (smk8523@ocvaxa.cc.oberlin.edu) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
>>
>>Min-Sun Kim (smk8523@ocvaxa.cc.oberlin.edu) writes:
>>> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
>>> 
>>>>I've been arguing against the simple-minded liberal argument that "Racists
>>>>hate Blacks ONLY because of their skin colour!"  It's not because they
>>>>don't know better (although god knows they're ignorant enough); rather,
>>>>it's because it makes it easier for them to refute us when they can
>>>>PRETEND that we base ALL of our philosophy on skin colour, and nothing
>>>>else.  Pretty pathetic, when you think about it.
>>
>>> No, actually it's your own simple-mindedness that's pretty pathetic. Jesus, 
>>> you people are almost as bad as the creationists. Why don't you try taking 
>>> some science classes, college-level, and then back up your arguments with 
>>> proof. I wanted to keep all my science texts for reference but damn, I'm 
>>> willing to sell them to you for the good of society. The fact is, if blacks 
>>> and whites were so different, they would not be able to produce viable 
>>> offspring; which clearly is untrue.
>>
>>But Min, surely even you realize that just because something CAN be done
>>is no argument for saying that it SHOULD be done.
>>
>>> Therefore, if we take into account the 
>>> theory of evolution, in which the assumed prime objective of all life, from 
>>> virus to man, is reproducing and spreading around one's genes; blacks and 
>>> whites are the same animal. Since it is biologically possible for them to do 
>>> that with each other. 
>>
>>My, what lax criteria you have!  In fact, you have only one; namely, that
>>Whites and Blacks can boink and have kiddies, so they SHOULD.
>>
>>Real big-league reasoning there, Min!  Your liberal buddies will be PROUD
>>of you!

> Read my post again; nowhere do i prescribe interracial mating. Just because 
> your thoughts are propogandistic does not mean everyone else's is. I merely 
> argue against your simple-minded "blacks are like monkeys and whites aren't" 
> arguments.

I resent that.  Nowhere do *I* compare Blacks to monkeys.  If you're going
to argue against *me*, argue against *me*.  Don't put the words and claims
of others in my mouth (although I can clearly see where the "Blacks are
like monkeys" argument gets its impetus...).

> The fact is, we're all like monkeys, sorry to tell you; actually, 
> humans are closer to chimpanzees (if I'm not mistaken). And as unhappy as it 
> may make you, blacks and  whites are the same animal in the eyes of mother 
> nature. Sowwy... and err, those criteria are not very lax, they are extremely 
> specific and difficult to maintain, as you would know if you knew anything 
> about the biological sciences eh? I'm still offering my text... I have some 
> basic chem and organic chem, have some specialty ones on neurons (yep just on 
> how ONE neuron works) and some molecular and cellular bio texts... want em?
> I don't have an agenda, err except accuracy. And you're not scoring very high
> on my accuracy scale... tsk tsk.

Oh, my.  I'm not accurate according to Min.  Oh, geez.

Well, Min, you can keep on dropping big terms and all, but my original
point still stands:  all the diplomas and books in the world won't make an
obviously wrong propostion (that Blacks are pretty similar to Whites) into
a right one.

Les


--
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Jun  6 15:04:05 PDT 1995
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Bo (bbecker@Glue.umd.edu) writes:
>> >: Justin Wood  wrote:
>> 
>> >: >: Blacks consistently, and I mean consistently, score 20-25 points less than 
>> >: >: whites on IQ tests, not only in the U.S., but in Britain and Canada as 
>> >: >: well!
>> 
>> >I always find it EXCEEDINGLY ironic that the retards are the ones who 
>> >constantly harp on this point.  Never seen ONE person with a truly open 
>> >and inquiring mind who had the LEAST interest in such drivel!
>> 
>> If whites are retards, then blacks must truly be morons! The IQ arguement is 
>> continually brought up because it is true! Again, I will say the proof is in 
>> the pudding - compare black nations with white nations- where would you rather 
>> live?

> compare them let's say during the middle ages... where would you've lived?
> 
> it's all time... I won't be surprised if Asians become major global 
> powers later in history...then where would you live??

That's easy.  A frigging hell-hole.  Just look at any Asian country

Les

--
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Jun  6 15:04:12 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Liberal hypocrisy (*yawn* so what else is new?)
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Michael Moreno (mike@i-link.net) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) says:

>>Bill Anderson (libwca@emory.edu) writes:
>>> From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
>>
>>But, Billbo, I ADMIT that my ancestors (temporal, if not actual) brought
>>Blacks over to North America as slaves.  I also admit that it was a BIG
>>error to do so, although I don't hold their lack of foresight against
>>them.
>>
>>Further, I disbelieve the liberal claims that everything the White race
>>was involved in was evil (ie, Blacks brought over here as slaves were
>>infinitely better off than they would have been back in Africa).
> 
> Les,
> I think that the point that was trying to be made was not put out 
> accurately.  Obviously, no group of people has been absolutely good
> or absolutely evil.  I think that the point being made, however, was
> that it is now good to stand up and say, "Yes, I am a black man and
> I am proud of it.  Look at the marvelous things that we have done."

It goes deeper than that.  The current craze to "doscover" Black
achievements occurs at the expense of the White race.  "Columbus didn't
discover America:  Blacks from West Africa were crossing the Atlantic
thousands of years before Columbus!"  (funny how Columbus brought woe and
misery to the Americas, but these prehistorical sea-going Blacks didn't...)
 
> However, it is not acceptable to say, "I am a white man and I am proud
> of it.  Look at the marvelous things that we have done."

You've got THAT right.  Saying (or even thinking) something like that
makes you a "Natsee".  And gee, we're constantly told that "Natsees" are a
fringe element of whackos...
 
> My opinion is that both are not acceptable.  Why must one be glorified
> at the exclusion of the other?

Your opinion on this is wrong.  The White race DOES have a lot to be proud
of.  WHAT does the Black race have to be proud of?

Les


--
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Jun  6 15:04:15 PDT 1995
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Smutty (ags3@coventry.ac.uk) writes:
> On Mon, 5 Jun 1995, Bo wrote:
> 
>> > 
>> > If whites are retards, then blacks must truly be morons! The IQ arguement is 
>> > continually brought up because it is true! Again, I will say the proof is in 
>> > the pudding - compare black nations with white nations- where would you rather 
>> > live?
> 
> What does that have to do with intelligence?  Black nations are poor, 
> underdeveloped and shitty because they've been raped by greedy white 
> nations.  They may appear to be technologically advanced, but this does 
> not suggest lack of intelligence.  Look at things such as culture - or 
> the way such nations adapt and use thier environment.  

Indeed.  Where, in the White world, are farmers turning hundreds of
millions of acres per year into sandy sesert because of their sloppy
farming techniques?

> The IQ argument ignores such things such as culture specification.  These 
> immortal IQ test were and still are culture specific.

Even given that this crybaby liberal-copout is true, what does it mean? 
Liberals imagine that we should all conform to some fuzzy, ill-defined
universal norm, rather than value our own cultures.

> Therefore, how can 
> one group or race score highly on something which isn't specific to their 
> culture.

Smutty, do we really CARE how well some Gold Coast Black straight from the
jungles can chuck a spear?  No, we care about how well he can fit into OUR
culture.  All the evidence indicates that he fits in very poorly indeed.

> If blacks were to write some IQ tests and test whites on them, I'm sure they 
> "law" would reverse itself.  

Been done.  And it proves what, exactly?  That Whites can't understand
ghetto slang and drug talk.  So?

> The same tests were done on males and females and females and females 
> scored less every time.  Areyo trying to say that females are less 
> intelligent than males as well?

Using White females to protect Blacks is pretty cowardly, Smutty.

>> compare them let's say during the middle ages... where would you've lived?
> 
> Black nations had an equally rich culture and civilsation during the 
> Midlle Ages, but guess who took it from them??

According to you, a bunch of semi-literate European savages.  Hmm, guess
these "rich (Black) culture(s) and civilization(s)" weren't so strong
after all...

Les

(P.S.:  I agree with the rappers; let's move the discussion to
alt.politics.white-power and alt.politics.correct)

--
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Jun  6 22:22:54 PDT 1995
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That's Latin for "Bullshit baffles brains".  Applies particularly well to
the screechy liberal rantings about equality.  Ever notice how they try to
confuse anyone else with big words?  That's the excrement referred to above.

Les

--
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Jun  6 22:23:02 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Liberal hypocrisy (*yawn* so what else is new?)
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Michael Moreno (mike@i-link.net) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) says:

>>Bill Anderson (libwca@emory.edu) writes:
>>> From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
>>
>>But, Billbo, I ADMIT that my ancestors (temporal, if not actual) brought
>>Blacks over to North America as slaves.  I also admit that it was a BIG
>>error to do so, although I don't hold their lack of foresight against
>>them.
>>
>>Further, I disbelieve the liberal claims that everything the White race
>>was involved in was evil (ie, Blacks brought over here as slaves were
>>infinitely better off than they would have been back in Africa).
> 
> Les,
> I think that the point that was trying to be made was not put out 
> accurately.  Obviously, no group of people has been absolutely good
> or absolutely evil.  I think that the point being made, however, was
> that it is now good to stand up and say, "Yes, I am a black man and
> I am proud of it.  Look at the marvelous things that we have done."

It goes deeper than that.  The current craze to "doscover" Black
achievements occurs at the expense of the White race.  "Columbus didn't
discover America:  Blacks from West Africa were crossing the Atlantic
thousands of years before Columbus!"  (funny how Columbus brought woe and
misery to the Americas, but these prehistorical sea-going Blacks didn't...)
 
> However, it is not acceptable to say, "I am a white man and I am proud
> of it.  Look at the marvelous things that we have done."

You've got THAT right.  Saying (or even thinking) something like that
makes you a "Natsee".  And gee, we're constantly told that "Natsees" are a
fringe element of whackos...
 
> My opinion is that both are not acceptable.  Why must one be glorified
> at the exclusion of the other?

Your opinion on this is wrong.  The White race DOES have a lot to be proud
of.  WHAT does the Black race have to be proud of?

Les


--
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Jun  6 22:56:11 PDT 1995
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John Cooper (jcop@io.org) writes:
>>: Justin Wood  wrote:
> 
>>: >: Blacks consistently, and I mean consistently, score 20-25 points less than 
>>: >: whites on IQ tests, not only in the U.S., but in Britain and Canada as 
>>: >: well!
> 
>>I always find it EXCEEDINGLY ironic that the retards are the ones who 
>>constantly harp on this point.  Never seen ONE person with a truly open 
>>and inquiring mind who had the LEAST interest in such drivel!
> 
> If whites are retards, then blacks must truly be morons! The IQ arguement is 
> continually brought up because it is true! Again, I will say the proof is in 
> the pudding - compare black nations with white nations- where would you rather 
> live?

No question about it.  Liberals really hate and are embarrassed by, the
lack of Black achievements in the real world.  This in large part explains
their appropriation of all White cultural achievements as actually having
depended upon Black innovations.

Les


--
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Jun  6 22:56:13 PDT 1995
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Wednesday/jones (heike@ix.netcom.com) writes:

(snip)

> you mean like the method for separating whole blood into plasma so that
> it can be stored indefinitely?  that advancement was contributed by dr.
> charles drew just before the beginning of the second world war.  he was
> black.  you know what white ingenuity contributed to drew's work?  the
> state department decided that contributions of blood for wounded
> servicemen would NOT be accepted from black donors even though the
> inventor (and several white doctors) had mountains of proof showing
> that the blood was no different.

You ever seen Dr. Drew, or pictures of him?  He's about as Black as the driven 
snow.

Please, stick with the claims that ancient Egyptians were really Black. 
It's funnier.

> so thousands of gallons of potentially life saving plasma was not accepted.  
> how many nice white boys died for lack of this stored blood?

Probably not too many.

I read in _Paved With Good Intentions_ about how Blacks are organ donors
much less often than Whites because (get this) they're afraid of their
donated organs going to Whites.  Whites, by and large, don't have such
concerns.  I also read in that book that interracial organ transplants
have a higher rate of rejection.

Les


--
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Jun  6 22:56:37 PDT 1995
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Min-Sun Kim (smk8523@ocvaxa.cc.oberlin.edu) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
>>
>>Min-Sun Kim (smk8523@ocvaxa.cc.oberlin.edu) writes:
>>> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
>>> 
>>>>I've been arguing against the simple-minded liberal argument that "Racists
>>>>hate Blacks ONLY because of their skin colour!"  It's not because they
>>>>don't know better (although god knows they're ignorant enough); rather,
>>>>it's because it makes it easier for them to refute us when they can
>>>>PRETEND that we base ALL of our philosophy on skin colour, and nothing
>>>>else.  Pretty pathetic, when you think about it.
>>
>>> No, actually it's your own simple-mindedness that's pretty pathetic. Jesus, 
>>> you people are almost as bad as the creationists. Why don't you try taking 
>>> some science classes, college-level, and then back up your arguments with 
>>> proof. I wanted to keep all my science texts for reference but damn, I'm 
>>> willing to sell them to you for the good of society. The fact is, if blacks 
>>> and whites were so different, they would not be able to produce viable 
>>> offspring; which clearly is untrue.
>>
>>But Min, surely even you realize that just because something CAN be done
>>is no argument for saying that it SHOULD be done.
>>
>>> Therefore, if we take into account the 
>>> theory of evolution, in which the assumed prime objective of all life, from 
>>> virus to man, is reproducing and spreading around one's genes; blacks and 
>>> whites are the same animal. Since it is biologically possible for them to do 
>>> that with each other. 
>>
>>My, what lax criteria you have!  In fact, you have only one; namely, that
>>Whites and Blacks can boink and have kiddies, so they SHOULD.
>>
>>Real big-league reasoning there, Min!  Your liberal buddies will be PROUD
>>of you!

> Read my post again; nowhere do i prescribe interracial mating. Just because 
> your thoughts are propogandistic does not mean everyone else's is. I merely 
> argue against your simple-minded "blacks are like monkeys and whites aren't" 
> arguments.

I resent that.  Nowhere do *I* compare Blacks to monkeys.  If you're going
to argue against *me*, argue against *me*.  Don't put the words and claims
of others in my mouth (although I can clearly see where the "Blacks are
like monkeys" argument gets its impetus...).

> The fact is, we're all like monkeys, sorry to tell you; actually, 
> humans are closer to chimpanzees (if I'm not mistaken). And as unhappy as it 
> may make you, blacks and  whites are the same animal in the eyes of mother 
> nature. Sowwy... and err, those criteria are not very lax, they are extremely 
> specific and difficult to maintain, as you would know if you knew anything 
> about the biological sciences eh? I'm still offering my text... I have some 
> basic chem and organic chem, have some specialty ones on neurons (yep just on 
> how ONE neuron works) and some molecular and cellular bio texts... want em?
> I don't have an agenda, err except accuracy. And you're not scoring very high
> on my accuracy scale... tsk tsk.

Oh, my.  I'm not accurate according to Min.  Oh, geez.

Well, Min, you can keep on dropping big terms and all, but my original
point still stands:  all the diplomas and books in the world won't make an
obviously wrong propostion (that Blacks are pretty similar to Whites) into
a right one.

Les


--
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		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


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Bo (bbecker@Glue.umd.edu) writes:
>> >: Justin Wood  wrote:
>> 
>> >: >: Blacks consistently, and I mean consistently, score 20-25 points less than 
>> >: >: whites on IQ tests, not only in the U.S., but in Britain and Canada as 
>> >: >: well!
>> 
>> >I always find it EXCEEDINGLY ironic that the retards are the ones who 
>> >constantly harp on this point.  Never seen ONE person with a truly open 
>> >and inquiring mind who had the LEAST interest in such drivel!
>> 
>> If whites are retards, then blacks must truly be morons! The IQ arguement is 
>> continually brought up because it is true! Again, I will say the proof is in 
>> the pudding - compare black nations with white nations- where would you rather 
>> live?

> compare them let's say during the middle ages... where would you've lived?
> 
> it's all time... I won't be surprised if Asians become major global 
> powers later in history...then where would you live??

That's easy.  A frigging hell-hole.  Just look at any Asian country

Les

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Smutty (ags3@coventry.ac.uk) writes:
> On Mon, 5 Jun 1995, Bo wrote:
> 
>> > 
>> > If whites are retards, then blacks must truly be morons! The IQ arguement is 
>> > continually brought up because it is true! Again, I will say the proof is in 
>> > the pudding - compare black nations with white nations- where would you rather 
>> > live?
> 
> What does that have to do with intelligence?  Black nations are poor, 
> underdeveloped and shitty because they've been raped by greedy white 
> nations.  They may appear to be technologically advanced, but this does 
> not suggest lack of intelligence.  Look at things such as culture - or 
> the way such nations adapt and use thier environment.  

Indeed.  Where, in the White world, are farmers turning hundreds of
millions of acres per year into sandy sesert because of their sloppy
farming techniques?

> The IQ argument ignores such things such as culture specification.  These 
> immortal IQ test were and still are culture specific.

Even given that this crybaby liberal-copout is true, what does it mean? 
Liberals imagine that we should all conform to some fuzzy, ill-defined
universal norm, rather than value our own cultures.

> Therefore, how can 
> one group or race score highly on something which isn't specific to their 
> culture.

Smutty, do we really CARE how well some Gold Coast Black straight from the
jungles can chuck a spear?  No, we care about how well he can fit into OUR
culture.  All the evidence indicates that he fits in very poorly indeed.

> If blacks were to write some IQ tests and test whites on them, I'm sure they 
> "law" would reverse itself.  

Been done.  And it proves what, exactly?  That Whites can't understand
ghetto slang and drug talk.  So?

> The same tests were done on males and females and females and females 
> scored less every time.  Areyo trying to say that females are less 
> intelligent than males as well?

Using White females to protect Blacks is pretty cowardly, Smutty.

>> compare them let's say during the middle ages... where would you've lived?
> 
> Black nations had an equally rich culture and civilsation during the 
> Midlle Ages, but guess who took it from them??

According to you, a bunch of semi-literate European savages.  Hmm, guess
these "rich (Black) culture(s) and civilization(s)" weren't so strong
after all...

Les

(P.S.:  I agree with the rappers; let's move the discussion to
alt.politics.white-power and alt.politics.correct)

--
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Jun  7 01:15:36 PDT 1995
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Lisa Smith (lsmith@chuma.cas.usf.edu) writes:
>> Of course, since Whites don't riot and loot if they're discriminated
>> against (yet) and are told that they're irredeemably evil.
>> 
>> Les
> 
> Guess you've already forgotten the infamous boston tea party? 
> 

Oh, geez, Lisa, you can name one example in 250 years.  I can name four
Black riots in the last thirty, and they in no way compare to the prelude
to the War of Independence.

Grin yourself.

Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Jun  7 01:15:40 PDT 1995
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Matthew L Miller (libmlm@larry.cc.emory.edu) writes:
> Lisa Smith (lsmith@chuma.cas.usf.edu) wrote:
> : > Of course, since Whites don't riot and loot if they're discriminated
> : > against (yet) and are told that they're irredeemably evil.
> : > 
> : > Les
> 
> : Guess you've already forgotten the infamous boston tea party? 
> : 
> 
> Not to mention the numerous white riots that took place in the south 
> after emancipation.  One involved the complete destruction of a black 
> community in Florida.  Another, the Atlanta riot of 1906, involved 
> numerous assaults (some fatal) against black citizens, as well as the 
> destruction of many black-owned businesses.  The "reason" was that old 
> racist bugaboo of The Protection of White Womanhood, based on 
> unverifiable rumors of rape commited by black men.  Lynchings, of course, 
> continued well into the middle of the 20th century.

Oh, boo-hoo-hoo.  These White riots just took place for no reason, right? 
Some good ole boys just up and said, "Hey, let's lynch us some niggers!"

The Protection of White Womanhood is a "bugaboo" (and a racist one at
that)?  Funny.  I've always believed that if there's anything worth
fighting for, it's White women.  After all, they are the bearers of our
future.

Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Jun  7 01:15:46 PDT 1995
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Matthew L Miller (libmlm@larry.cc.emory.edu) writes:

(snip)

>      By the way Les, please enlighten me as to what a "blue-gum" is.  
> Don't tell me that you've invented yet another phony criterion for racial 
> classification.

Nope.  First heard the term in April 1993.  It refers to a Black who is SO
dark that his gums are almost blue.
 
> : > : Left to its own devices, Africa would still be a Stone Age "civilization".
> : > 
> : > The same could be said for Europe, and it would probably be more true.
> 
> : "Dreaaam, dream dream dream... "
> 
> Whatever, Les...all I know is that all of those European navigators and 
> sailors that "civilized" the planet would have had a lot harder time 
> without an astrolabe (it was invented by arabs).

Perhaps so, but funny that it took WHITE men to do anything with it.  I
guess astrolabes are kinda useless on camels.

Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Jun  7 01:15:51 PDT 1995
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Jennifer D. Stoner (jstoner@orion.it.luc.edu) writes:

(snip)

> : Jeepers, people.  Do you realize that you're taking seriously a SONG from
> : a fucking CARTOON?  Get a grip, ferchrissakes.

> Yes.. i realize it's a cartoon.  But it's just not a cartoon... it's a
> disney movie.

Oh.  And that makes all the difference in the world, does it?

> And what does that mean?  All the little kiddies and adults
> this summer will be introduced to this "fucking cartoon." 

Not MY kids.

> But hopefully if you dance around and rave "die mickey mouse die and all 
> his little friends die" and pray to your nazi gods maybe the movie will 
> be postponed or something....

Whatever gets you through the night.


--
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Randall H. Thatcher (rht3@po.CWRU.Edu) writes:
>>> why is race so important, as opposed to personal qualities?
>>
>>Because racial classifications give a better indicator of what a RACE is
>>capable of, and it is RACES, not individuals, that build civilizations.  To
>>the extent that say, a Black, can "equal" a White man's IQ, he's simply
>>MATCHING that intelligence in a WHITE MAN'S SOCIETY.  Left to its own
>>devices, Africa would still be a Stone Age "civilization".

> i guess that the japanese are now superior, right?  by your logic, yes.  

I suppose an argument could be made that they are better off economically
than we are, but they sure didn't get there with their samurai swords and
kimonos.
 
> Let's talk of the US.  the US would not be where it is today without all
> involved, no?  Blacks and jews play an integral role, no?

No.

> call it the "american race of the late 20th century" ok?  now, compare one 
> black skined human from this "american race of the late 20th century" to
> someone similar
> in age in africa.  given the educational systems in the US, i think the
> person from the US will seem to be superior.  relative to their own
> cultures, the performance will vary every time.    is this valid, i dunno..

This always cracks me up.  White racists don't deny that environment has
SOME influence on the individual's intellectual development, they
maintain that genetics has MORE.
   
> back to the point, you say that races build civilizations, not individuals.
> what about government?  government is a bunch of individuals, not average
> representatives of a race.  if you think for one second that those in
> charge (who mold our civilization) are faceless nobodies, then i think you
> are 100% wrong.  now, how many blacks and jews are in the higher positions
> of government and big businesses?

Not many Blacks.  Far and away too many jews.

> you say a lot.  so, our civilization is not "white" is it?  

Not any more, it's not.

> i still think that you must take credit for what you do as an individual,
> not rely on what your ancestors did for your pride.  if you live in a
> fucking trailer and suck up welfare, you are nothing more than one who
> lives in a trailer and welfare user.  if you think you are somehow better
> than the same person with a different skin color, you are wrong.  what have
> you accomplished?  jack shit.  given that you've done absolutly nothing,
> what do you have to be proud of?  

I'm sure this will come as a big disappointment, but I couldn't care LESS
what you think.

Les


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kevin filan (kfilan@netcom.com) writes:
> In article ,
> Les Griswold  wrote:
> 
>>> Whatever, Les...all I know is that all of those European navigators and 
>>> sailors that "civilized" the planet would have had a lot harder time 
>>> without an astrolabe (it was invented by arabs).
>>
>>Perhaps so, but funny that it took WHITE men to do anything with it.  I
>>guess astrolabes are kinda useless on camels.

> 	Ummm... actually, the Arabs had some pretty extensive experience 
> in navigation and sailing.  The "spice routes" to Cathay (China) were 
> scouted out by Arabs.  The "Voyages of Sinbad" are based largely on 
> historical fact; turns out them Ay-rabs were sailing all over the Orient 
> long before Europeans.  

And Africa.  Seems those "Black" ruins in Zimbabwe were engineered by
Arabs, and built using (you guessed it) Black slaves.

> 	I could mention algebra, as well... and I could point out that 
> Western Philosophy was basically moribund until St. Thomas Aquinas, who 
> was trained in Aristotelian philosophy by, you guessed it... ragheads.

Name dropper.  Also, I've never been one much for the term "ragheads": 
applies equally to Sikhs.  I prefer "rug riders" or "camel jockeys" myself.
 
> 	I could state that Arab architecture was among the most beautiful 
> in the world, and that such structures as the "Mosque of the Rock" in 
> Jerusalem and the minarets of Mecca are great achievements, certainly 
> comparable to the Cathedrals of Europe.  
> 
> 	At its height the Ottoman Empire extended for a pretty good 
> distance; and last I looked Turkey was nowhere near Northwestern Europe.

You ever been to a German city?  Lot of Turks there...
 
> 	You were saying about how it took white men to do anything...

Yes, I was, and no-one has disproved it.

Les


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		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


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John Cooper (jcop@io.org) writes:
>>: Justin Wood  wrote:
> 
>>: >: Blacks consistently, and I mean consistently, score 20-25 points less than 
>>: >: whites on IQ tests, not only in the U.S., but in Britain and Canada as 
>>: >: well!
> 
>>I always find it EXCEEDINGLY ironic that the retards are the ones who 
>>constantly harp on this point.  Never seen ONE person with a truly open 
>>and inquiring mind who had the LEAST interest in such drivel!
> 
> If whites are retards, then blacks must truly be morons! The IQ arguement is 
> continually brought up because it is true! Again, I will say the proof is in 
> the pudding - compare black nations with white nations- where would you rather 
> live?

No question about it.  Liberals really hate and are embarrassed by, the
lack of Black achievements in the real world.  This in large part explains
their appropriation of all White cultural achievements as actually having
depended upon Black innovations.

Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Jun  7 01:17:04 PDT 1995
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Min-Sun Kim (smk8523@ocvaxa.cc.oberlin.edu) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
>>
>>Min-Sun Kim (smk8523@ocvaxa.cc.oberlin.edu) writes:
>>> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
>>> 
>>>>I've been arguing against the simple-minded liberal argument that "Racists
>>>>hate Blacks ONLY because of their skin colour!"  It's not because they
>>>>don't know better (although god knows they're ignorant enough); rather,
>>>>it's because it makes it easier for them to refute us when they can
>>>>PRETEND that we base ALL of our philosophy on skin colour, and nothing
>>>>else.  Pretty pathetic, when you think about it.
>>
>>> No, actually it's your own simple-mindedness that's pretty pathetic. Jesus, 
>>> you people are almost as bad as the creationists. Why don't you try taking 
>>> some science classes, college-level, and then back up your arguments with 
>>> proof. I wanted to keep all my science texts for reference but damn, I'm 
>>> willing to sell them to you for the good of society. The fact is, if blacks 
>>> and whites were so different, they would not be able to produce viable 
>>> offspring; which clearly is untrue.
>>
>>But Min, surely even you realize that just because something CAN be done
>>is no argument for saying that it SHOULD be done.
>>
>>> Therefore, if we take into account the 
>>> theory of evolution, in which the assumed prime objective of all life, from 
>>> virus to man, is reproducing and spreading around one's genes; blacks and 
>>> whites are the same animal. Since it is biologically possible for them to do 
>>> that with each other. 
>>
>>My, what lax criteria you have!  In fact, you have only one; namely, that
>>Whites and Blacks can boink and have kiddies, so they SHOULD.
>>
>>Real big-league reasoning there, Min!  Your liberal buddies will be PROUD
>>of you!

> Read my post again; nowhere do i prescribe interracial mating. Just because 
> your thoughts are propogandistic does not mean everyone else's is. I merely 
> argue against your simple-minded "blacks are like monkeys and whites aren't" 
> arguments.

I resent that.  Nowhere do *I* compare Blacks to monkeys.  If you're going
to argue against *me*, argue against *me*.  Don't put the words and claims
of others in my mouth (although I can clearly see where the "Blacks are
like monkeys" argument gets its impetus...).

> The fact is, we're all like monkeys, sorry to tell you; actually, 
> humans are closer to chimpanzees (if I'm not mistaken). And as unhappy as it 
> may make you, blacks and  whites are the same animal in the eyes of mother 
> nature. Sowwy... and err, those criteria are not very lax, they are extremely 
> specific and difficult to maintain, as you would know if you knew anything 
> about the biological sciences eh? I'm still offering my text... I have some 
> basic chem and organic chem, have some specialty ones on neurons (yep just on 
> how ONE neuron works) and some molecular and cellular bio texts... want em?
> I don't have an agenda, err except accuracy. And you're not scoring very high
> on my accuracy scale... tsk tsk.

Oh, my.  I'm not accurate according to Min.  Oh, geez.

Well, Min, you can keep on dropping big terms and all, but my original
point still stands:  all the diplomas and books in the world won't make an
obviously wrong propostion (that Blacks are pretty similar to Whites) into
a right one.

Les


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Bo (bbecker@Glue.umd.edu) writes:
>> >: Justin Wood  wrote:
>> 
>> >: >: Blacks consistently, and I mean consistently, score 20-25 points less than 
>> >: >: whites on IQ tests, not only in the U.S., but in Britain and Canada as 
>> >: >: well!
>> 
>> >I always find it EXCEEDINGLY ironic that the retards are the ones who 
>> >constantly harp on this point.  Never seen ONE person with a truly open 
>> >and inquiring mind who had the LEAST interest in such drivel!
>> 
>> If whites are retards, then blacks must truly be morons! The IQ arguement is 
>> continually brought up because it is true! Again, I will say the proof is in 
>> the pudding - compare black nations with white nations- where would you rather 
>> live?

> compare them let's say during the middle ages... where would you've lived?
> 
> it's all time... I won't be surprised if Asians become major global 
> powers later in history...then where would you live??

That's easy.  A frigging hell-hole.  Just look at any Asian country

Les

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Min-Sun Kim (smk8523@ocvaxa.cc.oberlin.edu) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
>>
>>Min-Sun Kim (smk8523@ocvaxa.cc.oberlin.edu) writes:
>>> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
>>> 
>>>>I've been arguing against the simple-minded liberal argument that "Racists
>>>>hate Blacks ONLY because of their skin colour!"  It's not because they
>>>>don't know better (although god knows they're ignorant enough); rather,
>>>>it's because it makes it easier for them to refute us when they can
>>>>PRETEND that we base ALL of our philosophy on skin colour, and nothing
>>>>else.  Pretty pathetic, when you think about it.
>>
>>> No, actually it's your own simple-mindedness that's pretty pathetic. Jesus, 
>>> you people are almost as bad as the creationists. Why don't you try taking 
>>> some science classes, college-level, and then back up your arguments with 
>>> proof. I wanted to keep all my science texts for reference but damn, I'm 
>>> willing to sell them to you for the good of society. The fact is, if blacks 
>>> and whites were so different, they would not be able to produce viable 
>>> offspring; which clearly is untrue.
>>
>>But Min, surely even you realize that just because something CAN be done
>>is no argument for saying that it SHOULD be done.
>>
>>> Therefore, if we take into account the 
>>> theory of evolution, in which the assumed prime objective of all life, from 
>>> virus to man, is reproducing and spreading around one's genes; blacks and 
>>> whites are the same animal. Since it is biologically possible for them to do 
>>> that with each other. 
>>
>>My, what lax criteria you have!  In fact, you have only one; namely, that
>>Whites and Blacks can boink and have kiddies, so they SHOULD.
>>
>>Real big-league reasoning there, Min!  Your liberal buddies will be PROUD
>>of you!

> Read my post again; nowhere do i prescribe interracial mating. Just because 
> your thoughts are propogandistic does not mean everyone else's is. I merely 
> argue against your simple-minded "blacks are like monkeys and whites aren't" 
> arguments.

I resent that.  Nowhere do *I* compare Blacks to monkeys.  If you're going
to argue against *me*, argue against *me*.  Don't put the words and claims
of others in my mouth (although I can clearly see where the "Blacks are
like monkeys" argument gets its impetus...).

> The fact is, we're all like monkeys, sorry to tell you; actually, 
> humans are closer to chimpanzees (if I'm not mistaken). And as unhappy as it 
> may make you, blacks and  whites are the same animal in the eyes of mother 
> nature. Sowwy... and err, those criteria are not very lax, they are extremely 
> specific and difficult to maintain, as you would know if you knew anything 
> about the biological sciences eh? I'm still offering my text... I have some 
> basic chem and organic chem, have some specialty ones on neurons (yep just on 
> how ONE neuron works) and some molecular and cellular bio texts... want em?
> I don't have an agenda, err except accuracy. And you're not scoring very high
> on my accuracy scale... tsk tsk.

Oh, my.  I'm not accurate according to Min.  Oh, geez.

Well, Min, you can keep on dropping big terms and all, but my original
point still stands:  all the diplomas and books in the world won't make an
obviously wrong propostion (that Blacks are pretty similar to Whites) into
a right one.

Les


--
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Jun  8 12:24:37 PDT 1995
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Bo (bbecker@Glue.umd.edu) writes:
>> >: Justin Wood  wrote:
>> 
>> >: >: Blacks consistently, and I mean consistently, score 20-25 points less than 
>> >: >: whites on IQ tests, not only in the U.S., but in Britain and Canada as 
>> >: >: well!
>> 
>> >I always find it EXCEEDINGLY ironic that the retards are the ones who 
>> >constantly harp on this point.  Never seen ONE person with a truly open 
>> >and inquiring mind who had the LEAST interest in such drivel!
>> 
>> If whites are retards, then blacks must truly be morons! The IQ arguement is 
>> continually brought up because it is true! Again, I will say the proof is in 
>> the pudding - compare black nations with white nations- where would you rather 
>> live?

> compare them let's say during the middle ages... where would you've lived?
> 
> it's all time... I won't be surprised if Asians become major global 
> powers later in history...then where would you live??

That's easy.  A frigging hell-hole.  Just look at any Asian country

Les

--
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Jun  8 12:24:40 PDT 1995
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Smutty (ags3@coventry.ac.uk) writes:
> On Mon, 5 Jun 1995, Bo wrote:
> 
>> > 
>> > If whites are retards, then blacks must truly be morons! The IQ arguement is 
>> > continually brought up because it is true! Again, I will say the proof is in 
>> > the pudding - compare black nations with white nations- where would you rather 
>> > live?
> 
> What does that have to do with intelligence?  Black nations are poor, 
> underdeveloped and shitty because they've been raped by greedy white 
> nations.  They may appear to be technologically advanced, but this does 
> not suggest lack of intelligence.  Look at things such as culture - or 
> the way such nations adapt and use thier environment.  

Indeed.  Where, in the White world, are farmers turning hundreds of
millions of acres per year into sandy sesert because of their sloppy
farming techniques?

> The IQ argument ignores such things such as culture specification.  These 
> immortal IQ test were and still are culture specific.

Even given that this crybaby liberal-copout is true, what does it mean? 
Liberals imagine that we should all conform to some fuzzy, ill-defined
universal norm, rather than value our own cultures.

> Therefore, how can 
> one group or race score highly on something which isn't specific to their 
> culture.

Smutty, do we really CARE how well some Gold Coast Black straight from the
jungles can chuck a spear?  No, we care about how well he can fit into OUR
culture.  All the evidence indicates that he fits in very poorly indeed.

> If blacks were to write some IQ tests and test whites on them, I'm sure they 
> "law" would reverse itself.  

Been done.  And it proves what, exactly?  That Whites can't understand
ghetto slang and drug talk.  So?

> The same tests were done on males and females and females and females 
> scored less every time.  Areyo trying to say that females are less 
> intelligent than males as well?

Using White females to protect Blacks is pretty cowardly, Smutty.

>> compare them let's say during the middle ages... where would you've lived?
> 
> Black nations had an equally rich culture and civilsation during the 
> Midlle Ages, but guess who took it from them??

According to you, a bunch of semi-literate European savages.  Hmm, guess
these "rich (Black) culture(s) and civilization(s)" weren't so strong
after all...

Les

(P.S.:  I agree with the rappers; let's move the discussion to
alt.politics.white-power and alt.politics.correct)

--
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Jun  8 12:25:50 PDT 1995
Article: 4642 of alt.politics.white-power
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kevin filan (kfilan@netcom.com) writes:
> In article <3r2hhj$4ej@agate.berkeley.edu>,
> Tommy the Tourist (Anon User)   wrote:
>>Excerpts from the 1st Protocol:
> 	
> 	
> 
> 	This is somebody's idea of a joke, am I right?
> 
> 	You can't be telling me that Tommy the Engineer... err, 
> Tourist... is trying to present the _Protocols of the Elders of Zion_ as 
> authentic material.  

Yeah, that's like contending that the _Wansee Protocol_ is authentic!
 
Les


--
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Jun  8 16:03:24 PDT 1995
Article: 16334 of alt.skinheads
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Kevin Filan:  racist!
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kevin filan (kfilan@netcom.com) writes:
> In article <3r2k6m$coi@newsbf02.news.aol.com>,
> Voxpop 75  wrote:
>>Hey Les, don't slam Kevin Filan.  He's not racist.  He's actually quite
>>nice, IMHO.  But if you don't like him, don't use something like this to
>>flame him with.
>>
>>Michelle
> 
> 	Thanks, Michelle!
> 
> 	Actually, Les and I have a rather twisted friendship.  He's one 
> of my favorite personalities on the Internet.  I admire his honesty and 
> his unique "Rush Limbaugh on Crystal Methedrine" style of posting.  He, 
> on the other hand, seems to have more respect for me than he does for 
> Mike Beebe, Bill Stuart, or most of the other "liberals" who post on his 
> favorite newsgroups.

Don't get too carried away on that.  You seem to have a propensity for
getting carried away with certain ideas, especially when it comes to the
"holocaust".

I prefer brine to buzzard puke, but that doesn't mean I like either.

> 	I actually find it amusing that Les would see the term "racist" 
> as insulting, since he is of course openly, loudly, and proudly racist.  

Michelle is too dense to understand sarcasm.

> 	I figured he got tired of calling me "liberal" and hasn't gotten 
> around to "faggot" yet.

Now, why would I call you a faggot?  I haven't tired of calling you what
you are, which is liberal (oops, I mean libertarian).

> Peace
> Kevin Filan (who's not a faggot, although his last boyfriend was)

Now, THIS made me laugh!
 
Les


--
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Jun  8 17:23:42 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Liberal hypocrisy (*yawn* so what else is new?)
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 (lzaird@io.org) writes:
> In article ,
> Les Griswold  wrote:
>>
>>Bull, Elena, and you know it.  This shows that you are either dishonest,
>>or stupid.  Liberals LOVE to take achievements of White men and attribute
>>them to non-Whites.
> 
> Here we go with the Egypt shit again...  Face it Les, Egypt is in Africa 
> dammit!

So?  Geographical location has nothing whatsoever to do with race.

> The people Mummified were Black, the hyrogliphics (SP!) were of 
> people who were Black, what more in the ways of proof do you need???  

Well, when the "proof" you sibmit is blatant bullshit, you'll forgive me
for remaining sceptical.

> Timeline of Ancien Egyptian culture.
> 
> 5000 BC - Egyptian culture well established on the nile...where were the 
> Aryans in 5000 BC Les?
> 
> 3200 BC - Menes united Lower Egypt (the delta) with his own kingdom of 
> Upper Egypt.  (still no Aryans Les.)
> 
> 2800 BC - Imhotep (an Aryan name?  Nope...) built the step pyramid at 
> Sakkara.
> 
> 2600 BC - Old Kingdom reached the height of it's power and the kings of 
> the 4th dynasty built pyramids at Giza.  (Any Aryans in the room please 
> stand and be accounted for...nobody?  Ok.)
> 
> ... I can keep going ...
> 
> (Les would have smugly asked for a source, but...)

Nope.  I would just ask you for relevance to the issue at hand, which is
"'Gyptians was BLACK, man!"

> Hutchinson Concise Encyclopedia, circa 1991.  (IN FULL COLOR)
> 
> (Les will now claim that it's a ZOG publication, and that it's all 
> false...and if so Les, where are YOU getting YOUR facts then?)

Stop trying to second-guess me, Lizzie/Billie... you sound like an
absolute moron doing so.

Les


--
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


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Subject: Re: 1st Protocol of the Learned Elders of Zion
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kevin filan (kfilan@netcom.com) writes:
> In article <3r2hhj$4ej@agate.berkeley.edu>,
> Tommy the Tourist (Anon User)   wrote:
>>Excerpts from the 1st Protocol:
> 	
> 	
> 
> 	This is somebody's idea of a joke, am I right?
> 
> 	You can't be telling me that Tommy the Engineer... err, 
> Tourist... is trying to present the _Protocols of the Elders of Zion_ as 
> authentic material.  

Yeah, that's like contending that the _Wansee Protocol_ is authentic!
 
Les


--
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Jun  9 06:24:57 PDT 1995
Article: 5523 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Miscegenation and the fall of civilization
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> : Southern Ireland.  Mixed with the Assyrian/Negro.

This has got to be one of the loopier "theories" I've ever heard.
 
> : Colin.

>      Curious what passes for history among the racially-fixated... I can 
> tell you with all sincerity that the "black Irish" features stem from the 
> Irish ancestral roots in the Iberian Peninsula (present-day Spain).  That 
> is why, to this day, my family (in Northern Ireland) have a fairly 
> Mediterranean look about them.  But there was no mixing between 
> Assyrians/Africans and Irish; Africa and the Near East were simply too 
> far away.  However, your assumptions about the "black/pug" Irishman 
> represents a popular strain in Anglo-American thought, that the Celt with 
> his darker hair and shorter stature is inferior (see for example the 
> villanous and stupid Irishmen in Thackeray's "Pendennis" and Kingsley's 
> "Alton Locke", or the reference to Irishmen "breeding like rabbits" in 
> Darwin's "Ascent of Man").  The Saxon races, English, German and (now) 
> American, have a fixation on skin colour that is meant to serve as a 
> justification for their invasive activities against darker, more 
> supposedly inferior peoples.  The wars against Ireland and Scotland on 
> the one hand, and black slavery on the other, are part and parcel of the 
> same historical process.
> 
>      Incidentally, I am proud of my ancestors no matter how dark they 
> are, and am equally proud that, at the beginning of history, my black 
> ancestors migrated out of Africa to make the world what it is today.

All right, then, perhaps you'd care to tell us what EXACTLY your Black
ancestors did?  I'm curious to see what sort of negrophile rant you hold
to be true.

Les

--
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Jun  9 06:25:00 PDT 1995
Article: 5524 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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Subject: Incest and polygyny
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McKinstry (cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz) writes:

(not McKinstry, some liberal, the best part of whom ran down his mother's
leg)

>> So is Les proposing to fuck his sister? 

A really funny lib theme is the one that goes "Humans were made for
societal values, not societal values for humans!", ie the incest taboo is
more important than racial survival.

After the First World War, the Church of England was thinking about
relaxing the strict monogamic standard so that all those extra women would
not go without children, since so many English men had been slaughtered in
that foolish White civil war.

> A lot of the so called brother/sister marriages were typically cousins. 
> You'll find in a lot of ancient languages the words mean the same.  So
> they could be translated so and so married his cousin or so and so married
> his sister. I'm not saying sister = cousin, the words used typically refer
> being of the same household.  These words could include Uncles, Aunts and
> those further separated, the more important the family the larger pool of
> relatives contained within that household.  For example, the Saxon Kings
> of England, a new king could be chosen from a larger pool than the late
> man's immediate family.  William the Conqueror claimed kinship to Edward
> the Confessor as a proof of his validity to the throne.
> 
> Colin.

Brother/sister marriages still have a better chance of isolating and
enhancing superior genetics, though.  Animal breeders do it all the time.

Les


--
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Jun  9 06:25:02 PDT 1995
Article: 5525 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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Subject: Hybrid vigour and civilization
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Elena Mills (emills@netcom.com) writes:
> McKinstry (cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz) wrote:

(snip)

>>Half breeds are only resistant to a few diseases, they are normally
>>extremely vulnerable to disease.
> 
> If that were so, you'd be dead. Tell us: Have you ever heard of the
> concept of hybrid vigor? No, didn't think so.

And have you, Elena, ever heard that hybrid vigour is a phenomenon that is
unique to the first crossed generation, ie it doesn't breed true?  No, didn't
think so.

(Elena)
>>> >Not a bit of it. First came the folks from the East
>>> >to the population-free northern climes. Then came the folks from the
>>> >south (Africans - black Africans) and voila! Mix them all together
>>> >and what have you got? Europeans. Such a delicious recipe, too.

So the logical extension of what you're saying is that cross-breeds are
superior to Blacks.

It would be wonderful if you people would actually think about the
implications of what you're saying.

(snip)

> Oh my god. He's talking about skull shapes. But why should I be surprised?
> You are by far THE most ignorant cuss I've ever seen. Well, no, I do
> remember reading one Brian Bagnall - no, you're even dumber than Bagnall.
> Congratulations.

Pretty funny, seeing as how Franz Boas, the jewish anthropologist, did a
study on the skull shapes of Americans before WWII to "prove" that
environment played a really significant role in modifying the genotype
over HUNDREDS of years.

Les


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Cowards die many times before their deaths;
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		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Jun  9 06:25:05 PDT 1995
Article: 5526 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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 (lzaird@io.org) writes:
> In article ,
> Les Griswold  wrote:
>>
>>Bull, Elena, and you know it.  This shows that you are either dishonest,
>>or stupid.  Liberals LOVE to take achievements of White men and attribute
>>them to non-Whites.
> 
> Here we go with the Egypt shit again...  Face it Les, Egypt is in Africa 
> dammit!

So?  Geographical location has nothing whatsoever to do with race.

> The people Mummified were Black, the hyrogliphics (SP!) were of 
> people who were Black, what more in the ways of proof do you need???  

Well, when the "proof" you sibmit is blatant bullshit, you'll forgive me
for remaining sceptical.

> Timeline of Ancien Egyptian culture.
> 
> 5000 BC - Egyptian culture well established on the nile...where were the 
> Aryans in 5000 BC Les?
> 
> 3200 BC - Menes united Lower Egypt (the delta) with his own kingdom of 
> Upper Egypt.  (still no Aryans Les.)
> 
> 2800 BC - Imhotep (an Aryan name?  Nope...) built the step pyramid at 
> Sakkara.
> 
> 2600 BC - Old Kingdom reached the height of it's power and the kings of 
> the 4th dynasty built pyramids at Giza.  (Any Aryans in the room please 
> stand and be accounted for...nobody?  Ok.)
> 
> ... I can keep going ...
> 
> (Les would have smugly asked for a source, but...)

Nope.  I would just ask you for relevance to the issue at hand, which is
"'Gyptians was BLACK, man!"

> Hutchinson Concise Encyclopedia, circa 1991.  (IN FULL COLOR)
> 
> (Les will now claim that it's a ZOG publication, and that it's all 
> false...and if so Les, where are YOU getting YOUR facts then?)

Stop trying to second-guess me, Lizzie/Billie... you sound like an
absolute moron doing so.

Les


--
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Jun  9 06:25:21 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: Liberal hypocrisy (*yawn* so what else is new?)
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Elena Mills (emills@netcom.com) writes:
> Michael Moreno (mike@i-link.net) wrote:
> 
> Les Griswold said: 
> : >> Has anyone else noticed the amazing hypocrisy of liberals which says, "You
> : >> White guys CANNOT take any pride whatsoever for the accomplishments of
> : >> your ancestors, but you MUST take ALL the blame for whatever wrongdoings
> : >> we can think of!"
> 
> I said:
> : >Has anyone else noticed the amazing hypocrisy of nazis which says, "You
> : >Black guys CANNOT take any pride whatsoever for the accomplishments of
> : >your ancestors, but you MUST take ALL the blame for whatever wrongdoings
> : >we can think of!"
> : >
> 
> : How astute of you Elena, you've finally equated liberals with nazism.
> : I'm so proud of you.
> 
> No, mike, I've simply shown that Nazis like Les project their
> own attitudes on to everyone else. Liberals make no effort to
> deny the achievements of white people. Nazis, however, deny that
> anybody who's not white ever achieved anything. See the difference?

Bull, Elena, and you know it.  This shows that you are either dishonest,
or stupid.  Liberals LOVE to take achievements of White men and attribute
them to non-Whites.

Les


--
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Jun  9 20:59:50 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Miscegenation and the fall of civilization
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References:      <3pbd01$g1q@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca>  : Another kingdom that collapsed was Ireland, the black/pug Irishman of
> : Southern Ireland.  Mixed with the Assyrian/Negro.

This has got to be one of the loopier "theories" I've ever heard.
 
> : Colin.

>      Curious what passes for history among the racially-fixated... I can 
> tell you with all sincerity that the "black Irish" features stem from the 
> Irish ancestral roots in the Iberian Peninsula (present-day Spain).  That 
> is why, to this day, my family (in Northern Ireland) have a fairly 
> Mediterranean look about them.  But there was no mixing between 
> Assyrians/Africans and Irish; Africa and the Near East were simply too 
> far away.  However, your assumptions about the "black/pug" Irishman 
> represents a popular strain in Anglo-American thought, that the Celt with 
> his darker hair and shorter stature is inferior (see for example the 
> villanous and stupid Irishmen in Thackeray's "Pendennis" and Kingsley's 
> "Alton Locke", or the reference to Irishmen "breeding like rabbits" in 
> Darwin's "Ascent of Man").  The Saxon races, English, German and (now) 
> American, have a fixation on skin colour that is meant to serve as a 
> justification for their invasive activities against darker, more 
> supposedly inferior peoples.  The wars against Ireland and Scotland on 
> the one hand, and black slavery on the other, are part and parcel of the 
> same historical process.
> 
>      Incidentally, I am proud of my ancestors no matter how dark they 
> are, and am equally proud that, at the beginning of history, my black 
> ancestors migrated out of Africa to make the world what it is today.

All right, then, perhaps you'd care to tell us what EXACTLY your Black
ancestors did?  I'm curious to see what sort of negrophile rant you hold
to be true.

Les

--
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Jun  9 20:59:52 PDT 1995
Article: 5524 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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Subject: Incest and polygyny
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McKinstry (cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz) writes:

(not McKinstry, some liberal, the best part of whom ran down his mother's
leg)

>> So is Les proposing to fuck his sister? 

A really funny lib theme is the one that goes "Humans were made for
societal values, not societal values for humans!", ie the incest taboo is
more important than racial survival.

After the First World War, the Church of England was thinking about
relaxing the strict monogamic standard so that all those extra women would
not go without children, since so many English men had been slaughtered in
that foolish White civil war.

> A lot of the so called brother/sister marriages were typically cousins. 
> You'll find in a lot of ancient languages the words mean the same.  So
> they could be translated so and so married his cousin or so and so married
> his sister. I'm not saying sister = cousin, the words used typically refer
> being of the same household.  These words could include Uncles, Aunts and
> those further separated, the more important the family the larger pool of
> relatives contained within that household.  For example, the Saxon Kings
> of England, a new king could be chosen from a larger pool than the late
> man's immediate family.  William the Conqueror claimed kinship to Edward
> the Confessor as a proof of his validity to the throne.
> 
> Colin.

Brother/sister marriages still have a better chance of isolating and
enhancing superior genetics, though.  Animal breeders do it all the time.

Les


--
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Jun  9 20:59:54 PDT 1995
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Subject: Hybrid vigour and civilization
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Elena Mills (emills@netcom.com) writes:
> McKinstry (cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz) wrote:

(snip)

>>Half breeds are only resistant to a few diseases, they are normally
>>extremely vulnerable to disease.
> 
> If that were so, you'd be dead. Tell us: Have you ever heard of the
> concept of hybrid vigor? No, didn't think so.

And have you, Elena, ever heard that hybrid vigour is a phenomenon that is
unique to the first crossed generation, ie it doesn't breed true?  No, didn't
think so.

(Elena)
>>> >Not a bit of it. First came the folks from the East
>>> >to the population-free northern climes. Then came the folks from the
>>> >south (Africans - black Africans) and voila! Mix them all together
>>> >and what have you got? Europeans. Such a delicious recipe, too.

So the logical extension of what you're saying is that cross-breeds are
superior to Blacks.

It would be wonderful if you people would actually think about the
implications of what you're saying.

(snip)

> Oh my god. He's talking about skull shapes. But why should I be surprised?
> You are by far THE most ignorant cuss I've ever seen. Well, no, I do
> remember reading one Brian Bagnall - no, you're even dumber than Bagnall.
> Congratulations.

Pretty funny, seeing as how Franz Boas, the jewish anthropologist, did a
study on the skull shapes of Americans before WWII to "prove" that
environment played a really significant role in modifying the genotype
over HUNDREDS of years.

Les


--
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


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Subject: Re: Liberal hypocrisy (*yawn* so what else is new?)
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 (lzaird@io.org) writes:
> In article ,
> Les Griswold  wrote:
>>
>>Bull, Elena, and you know it.  This shows that you are either dishonest,
>>or stupid.  Liberals LOVE to take achievements of White men and attribute
>>them to non-Whites.
> 
> Here we go with the Egypt shit again...  Face it Les, Egypt is in Africa 
> dammit!

So?  Geographical location has nothing whatsoever to do with race.

> The people Mummified were Black, the hyrogliphics (SP!) were of 
> people who were Black, what more in the ways of proof do you need???  

Well, when the "proof" you sibmit is blatant bullshit, you'll forgive me
for remaining sceptical.

> Timeline of Ancien Egyptian culture.
> 
> 5000 BC - Egyptian culture well established on the nile...where were the 
> Aryans in 5000 BC Les?
> 
> 3200 BC - Menes united Lower Egypt (the delta) with his own kingdom of 
> Upper Egypt.  (still no Aryans Les.)
> 
> 2800 BC - Imhotep (an Aryan name?  Nope...) built the step pyramid at 
> Sakkara.
> 
> 2600 BC - Old Kingdom reached the height of it's power and the kings of 
> the 4th dynasty built pyramids at Giza.  (Any Aryans in the room please 
> stand and be accounted for...nobody?  Ok.)
> 
> ... I can keep going ...
> 
> (Les would have smugly asked for a source, but...)

Nope.  I would just ask you for relevance to the issue at hand, which is
"'Gyptians was BLACK, man!"

> Hutchinson Concise Encyclopedia, circa 1991.  (IN FULL COLOR)
> 
> (Les will now claim that it's a ZOG publication, and that it's all 
> false...and if so Les, where are YOU getting YOUR facts then?)

Stop trying to second-guess me, Lizzie/Billie... you sound like an
absolute moron doing so.

Les


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The valiant never taste of death but once.
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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Jun  9 21:00:11 PDT 1995
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Elena Mills (emills@netcom.com) writes:
> Michael Moreno (mike@i-link.net) wrote:
> 
> Les Griswold said: 
> : >> Has anyone else noticed the amazing hypocrisy of liberals which says, "You
> : >> White guys CANNOT take any pride whatsoever for the accomplishments of
> : >> your ancestors, but you MUST take ALL the blame for whatever wrongdoings
> : >> we can think of!"
> 
> I said:
> : >Has anyone else noticed the amazing hypocrisy of nazis which says, "You
> : >Black guys CANNOT take any pride whatsoever for the accomplishments of
> : >your ancestors, but you MUST take ALL the blame for whatever wrongdoings
> : >we can think of!"
> : >
> 
> : How astute of you Elena, you've finally equated liberals with nazism.
> : I'm so proud of you.
> 
> No, mike, I've simply shown that Nazis like Les project their
> own attitudes on to everyone else. Liberals make no effort to
> deny the achievements of white people. Nazis, however, deny that
> anybody who's not white ever achieved anything. See the difference?

Bull, Elena, and you know it.  This shows that you are either dishonest,
or stupid.  Liberals LOVE to take achievements of White men and attribute
them to non-Whites.

Les


--
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Jun 10 00:28:24 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Tactics For Racial Survival
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Andy Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>    Andy Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
>    > My political philosophy isn't based on my personal ability to discern who
>    > deserves citizenship and who does not. It's based on throwing the
>    > goddamned doors open and letting everyone hash it out. Higher power? No.
>    > Just the faith that reasoned debate leads to the right decision more often
>    > or not. If not, then the human race--or any portion thereof--isn't worth
>    > saving.
>    
>    Your "political philosophy" is pretty absolutist there, Raggedy.  If ONE
>    segment of the "human race" can't cut it, then we ALL deserve oblivion? 
>    Gee, and who's the kook here?
>     
> If that one segment of the human race is so vast that it overpowers the
> others, then, yes, the human race is doomed. I don't believe that there is
> any sizeable segment of the human race that can't contribute to the
> betterment of all. If the human race can only be saved by making 99+% of
> it subservient to the other <1%, then it's not worth saving. Let's sink
> back into the primordial ooze and let evolution take another shot.

Raggedy, we have totally divergent viewpoints on this (no surprise). 
There is no such thing as a bad follower, only bad leaders.  The 99+% to
which you refer is not inherently evil, nor are they inherently good. 
They just are.  It makes a great deal of difference WHO controls them. 
One can either have control by those who are HONEST enough to admit that
they ARE exercising control (ie, White Racists), or one can have some sort
of charade in which "democracy" is dangled before their largely apathetic
noses.
 
(snip)

>    > In times of crisis, they respond with more resolve than contemporary
>    > Americans do in relatively placid times. Compare the Americans' reactions
>    > to the Revolutionary War to Americans' reactions to WWII. How complacent
>    > were we then?
>    
>    Not very, after Pearl Harbour.
>    
> Precisely. People in general, and Americans in particular, awaken quickly
> when the danger is immediate.

Just brings me back to my point that people in general, and Americans in
particular, have to RECOGNIZE the danger, immediate or otherwise.

(snip)

> And [their reaction depends] on how many times they've heard the cry of
> "wolf" in the last week.  When Gary Allen wrote "None Dare Call It
> Conspiracy," he concluded that all was lost unless we ran the communists and 
> their stooges (by which he meant the Democrats and the Republicans) out of 
> Washington by 1972, all was lost.

Never read the book.  I've heard some rather unflattering reviews of it,
but I digress...

Are you alleging that things have just been hunky-dory since 1972?
 
(snip)

>    > Incidentally, I'm a damn sight more qualified that you to speak
>    > for the postbellum South. When was the last time you were there?
>    
>    Never.  But so what?  Does your having been there qualify you to pass
>    judgement on the people who LIVE there and have former slaves constantly
>    agitating?
> 
> No. I don't claim to understand the South better than you do because I've
> been there.
> 
> I claim a better understanding of the South than you because I was born
> here, have lived here my entire life, and come from 4 or 5 generations of
> Georgians (depending on which side of my family you follow). Because I can
> count about a dozen Confederate veterans (and a few Union, but we don't
> talk about them) among my ancestors, and was invited to join the Sons of
> the Confederacy. Because I entered the public schools about 4 years after
> the first black students did. 
> 
> Yeah. I might have a little better understanding of Southern culture and
> politics than you do. I just might have piched up a few more insights in
> 25 years in the South than you have from television. 

Like that LBJ was right to force White girls at bayonet point into a
school with a Black student?

> And the "former slaves constantly agitating," yes, the lifestyle down here
> is pretty healthy, but we don't have many 140-year-olds waving placards in
> the streets. And if you meant blacks, most of their "agitating" is in the
> form of running for mayor. And winning.

And this proves what, exactly?

A goddamn monkey could get into office, if he had the controlled media
pitching him.
 
> I'll make you a deal, Les. I won't tell you about Canadian politics, and
> you don't tell me about the South. We'll both look a lot less foolish that
> way.

Raggedy, it'd take a lot more than that to stop you from looking foolish...

Les

--
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


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 (lzaird@io.org) writes:
> In article ,
> Les Griswold  wrote:
>>
>>Bull, Elena, and you know it.  This shows that you are either dishonest,
>>or stupid.  Liberals LOVE to take achievements of White men and attribute
>>them to non-Whites.
> 
> Here we go with the Egypt shit again...  Face it Les, Egypt is in Africa 
> dammit!

So?  Geographical location has nothing whatsoever to do with race.

> The people Mummified were Black, the hyrogliphics (SP!) were of 
> people who were Black, what more in the ways of proof do you need???  

Well, when the "proof" you sibmit is blatant bullshit, you'll forgive me
for remaining sceptical.

> Timeline of Ancien Egyptian culture.
> 
> 5000 BC - Egyptian culture well established on the nile...where were the 
> Aryans in 5000 BC Les?
> 
> 3200 BC - Menes united Lower Egypt (the delta) with his own kingdom of 
> Upper Egypt.  (still no Aryans Les.)
> 
> 2800 BC - Imhotep (an Aryan name?  Nope...) built the step pyramid at 
> Sakkara.
> 
> 2600 BC - Old Kingdom reached the height of it's power and the kings of 
> the 4th dynasty built pyramids at Giza.  (Any Aryans in the room please 
> stand and be accounted for...nobody?  Ok.)
> 
> ... I can keep going ...
> 
> (Les would have smugly asked for a source, but...)

Nope.  I would just ask you for relevance to the issue at hand, which is
"'Gyptians was BLACK, man!"

> Hutchinson Concise Encyclopedia, circa 1991.  (IN FULL COLOR)
> 
> (Les will now claim that it's a ZOG publication, and that it's all 
> false...and if so Les, where are YOU getting YOUR facts then?)

Stop trying to second-guess me, Lizzie/Billie... you sound like an
absolute moron doing so.

Les


--
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


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Reuben Logsdon (rlogsdon@mail.utexas.edu) writes:
> some wanker Jew wrote: 
> # Hello Les and all of you wonderful guys.  I have had an opportunity to read a 
> # few of your letters.
> # Let me tell you something.  I am a Jew who also lives in Israel.  I have an Uzi 
> # submachine gun (not fixed permantly on non-automatic), a colt 45 1911 filled 
> # with Hydroshok, a colt 9mm and a lot of ammo.
> 
> I'm sure glad that there is a Zionist freak posting here now.  It should 
> make this all more interesting.

I don't think he's really a jew, just trying to bait us.  Real jews aren't
so full of transparent jingoism.  You know the old saying...

Empty barrels make the most noise.

Les


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		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


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Elena Mills (emills@netcom.com) writes:
> Michael Moreno (mike@i-link.net) wrote:
> 
> Les Griswold said: 
> : >> Has anyone else noticed the amazing hypocrisy of liberals which says, "You
> : >> White guys CANNOT take any pride whatsoever for the accomplishments of
> : >> your ancestors, but you MUST take ALL the blame for whatever wrongdoings
> : >> we can think of!"
> 
> I said:
> : >Has anyone else noticed the amazing hypocrisy of nazis which says, "You
> : >Black guys CANNOT take any pride whatsoever for the accomplishments of
> : >your ancestors, but you MUST take ALL the blame for whatever wrongdoings
> : >we can think of!"
> : >
> 
> : How astute of you Elena, you've finally equated liberals with nazism.
> : I'm so proud of you.
> 
> No, mike, I've simply shown that Nazis like Les project their
> own attitudes on to everyone else. Liberals make no effort to
> deny the achievements of white people. Nazis, however, deny that
> anybody who's not white ever achieved anything. See the difference?

Bull, Elena, and you know it.  This shows that you are either dishonest,
or stupid.  Liberals LOVE to take achievements of White men and attribute
them to non-Whites.

Les


--
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FREDERICK C T GERRENS (FRED@gerrans.demon.co.uk) writes:
> Please could we have some real political debate ? take away the abuse 
> which is mainly from the commies and the arguments which are all 
> related to race then there is nothing left, nationalalists should have 
> views on all aspects of government IE: education, economy, employment 
> etc. If nationalism is portrayed as being concerned only with the 
> subject of race then we will not be taken seriously.

Race is all that matters.  Solve the racial problem, and those that you
mention, and any others, will already be more than half-solved.

Les


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Tactics For Racial Survival
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Andy Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>    Andy Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
>    > bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>    > 
>    >    My cirteria for citizenship?  Intelligence, ambition, ability, civic
>    >    concern, for starters.  Most people don't have all these qualities, at
>    >    least not in sufficient quantity to justify their full participation in
>    >    politics.
>    > 
>    > All qualitative. Who judges? You?
>    
>    Yes.  But yet again, at least I have the honesty to admit it.  Liberals
>    never do; they keep appealing to some higher power for their morality.
>    (what a contradiction in terms).
>        
> My political philosophy isn't based on my personal ability to discern who
> deserves citizenship and who does not. It's based on throwing the
> goddamned doors open and letting everyone hash it out. Higher power? No.
> Just the faith that reasoned debate leads to the right decision more often
> or not. If not, then the human race--or any portion thereof--isn't worth
> saving.

Your "political philosophy" is pretty absolutist there, Raggedy.  If ONE
segment of the "human race" can't cut it, then we ALL deserve oblivion? 
Gee, and who's the kook here?
 
>    "Voice in their government"?  "Equal protection under the law"?  Gee,
>    sounds a lot like what "progressive" governments want to do to White
>    Racists (and who's a White Racist?  Why, anyone they SAY is!  What was
>    that about subjectivity, Raggedy?)
>    
> Government has an obligation to punish criminals. That said, I am as
> disturbed as you are by the calls for greater latitude for government
> officials to hassle law-abiding citizens with unorthodox political
> beliefs. The last time the U.S. government did that, the "politically
> incorrect" groups targeted for harrassment were on the left.
> 
> I am not afraid to be held to the same rules, and judged by the same
> standards, as my opponent. That is why you never have, and never will,
> hear from me that people like you should be silenced. 

That's mighty White of you, Raggedy!:-)
    
>    Shit,  I can't tell if I have appendicitis, or just a sore gut from
>    laughing!  Sure, the Americans of the 18th century had their faults; if
>    you'd ever READ any of my other messages, you'd know that I don't look
>    blindly at the past and say, "Gee, what great lives they had!  Let's be
>    just like them!"  Unlike you, I have powers of discrimination, and I don't
>    believe that newer necessarily means better.
>    
> History records people's responses to momentous events. We remember how
> people respond well or badly in times of crisis. That doesn't give much
> insight into their daily lives.

Indeed.  But the daily lives of the 18th century Americans are NOT
completely unknown to us.
 
>    So?  They may have been largely illiterate, but they had more courage and
>    determination than the typical 20th century bookworm.
>    
> In times of crisis, they respond with more resolve than contemporary
> Americans do in relatively placid times. Compare the Americans' reactions
> to the Revolutionary War to Americans' reactions to WWII. How complacent
> were we then?

Not very, after Pearl Harbour.

> So the problem with contemporary Americans is that they read too much, and
> that they watch too much television? Is literacy among the shackles placed
> on the ubermenschen?

Not that they read too much.  Can't argue about the television, though.
 
>    > One way or another, a leader will emerge. They always do, in a
>    > crisis--people are complacent, but not catatonic. 
>    
>    Groundless assertion and blind faith, Raggedy.
> 
> Reading of history. All civilizations face crises. Whether or not they
> survive depends on their reaction.

And their reaction depends largely upon whether they have Pollyannas in
the positions of power telling them that there IS no crisis.

> Some leader will emerge, be it an Alexander, a Nero, a Caligula, a Lincoln, 
> a Wilson, a Roosevelt, a Lenin, a Chamberlain, a Churchill, a Metternich, or 
> a Hitler.

You're equating big names with leadership ability.  Big mistake, Raggedy.
 
>    In your opinion.  I'd say that any people who had a lot of experience with
>    a situation should be the ones to judge how to resolve it.
> 
> Jews have been in North America for about 375 years. I think we can reach
> a few conclusions.

As long as the conclusions are GOOD, apparently.
 
>    Europeans in the Middle Ages had jews; Serbs have Muslims; the postbellum 
>    South has Blacks.
> 
> So only people with convenient scapegoats are qualified to make policy
> decisions?

Depends on what you consider a "scapegoat".  You say "scapegoat", they say
"justifiably blamed group".

> Incidentally, I'm a damn sight more qualified that you to speak
> for the postbellum South. When was the last time you were there?

Never.  But so what?  Does your having been there qualify you to pass
judgement on the people who LIVE there and have former slaves constantly
agitating?
 
Les


--
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


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Michael N. Rusignuolo (damone@ios.com) writes:

(snip)

> : I 
> : suggest that you find me a stable, balck, democratic African nation.
> 
> 	Gee, I believe the blacks have got a majority in South Africa 
> now, don't they?

Whatta dodge!

The ANC's monopoly of power is not democratic; it's "give us power or else!"

Les


--
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
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		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Jun 10 20:27:12 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Miscegenation and the fall of civilization
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> : Southern Ireland.  Mixed with the Assyrian/Negro.

This has got to be one of the loopier "theories" I've ever heard.
 
> : Colin.

>      Curious what passes for history among the racially-fixated... I can 
> tell you with all sincerity that the "black Irish" features stem from the 
> Irish ancestral roots in the Iberian Peninsula (present-day Spain).  That 
> is why, to this day, my family (in Northern Ireland) have a fairly 
> Mediterranean look about them.  But there was no mixing between 
> Assyrians/Africans and Irish; Africa and the Near East were simply too 
> far away.  However, your assumptions about the "black/pug" Irishman 
> represents a popular strain in Anglo-American thought, that the Celt with 
> his darker hair and shorter stature is inferior (see for example the 
> villanous and stupid Irishmen in Thackeray's "Pendennis" and Kingsley's 
> "Alton Locke", or the reference to Irishmen "breeding like rabbits" in 
> Darwin's "Ascent of Man").  The Saxon races, English, German and (now) 
> American, have a fixation on skin colour that is meant to serve as a 
> justification for their invasive activities against darker, more 
> supposedly inferior peoples.  The wars against Ireland and Scotland on 
> the one hand, and black slavery on the other, are part and parcel of the 
> same historical process.
> 
>      Incidentally, I am proud of my ancestors no matter how dark they 
> are, and am equally proud that, at the beginning of history, my black 
> ancestors migrated out of Africa to make the world what it is today.

All right, then, perhaps you'd care to tell us what EXACTLY your Black
ancestors did?  I'm curious to see what sort of negrophile rant you hold
to be true.

Les

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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Jun 10 20:27:15 PDT 1995
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Subject: Incest and polygyny
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McKinstry (cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz) writes:

(not McKinstry, some liberal, the best part of whom ran down his mother's
leg)

>> So is Les proposing to fuck his sister? 

A really funny lib theme is the one that goes "Humans were made for
societal values, not societal values for humans!", ie the incest taboo is
more important than racial survival.

After the First World War, the Church of England was thinking about
relaxing the strict monogamic standard so that all those extra women would
not go without children, since so many English men had been slaughtered in
that foolish White civil war.

> A lot of the so called brother/sister marriages were typically cousins. 
> You'll find in a lot of ancient languages the words mean the same.  So
> they could be translated so and so married his cousin or so and so married
> his sister. I'm not saying sister = cousin, the words used typically refer
> being of the same household.  These words could include Uncles, Aunts and
> those further separated, the more important the family the larger pool of
> relatives contained within that household.  For example, the Saxon Kings
> of England, a new king could be chosen from a larger pool than the late
> man's immediate family.  William the Conqueror claimed kinship to Edward
> the Confessor as a proof of his validity to the throne.
> 
> Colin.

Brother/sister marriages still have a better chance of isolating and
enhancing superior genetics, though.  Animal breeders do it all the time.

Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Jun 10 20:27:17 PDT 1995
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Elena Mills (emills@netcom.com) writes:
> McKinstry (cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz) wrote:

(snip)

>>Half breeds are only resistant to a few diseases, they are normally
>>extremely vulnerable to disease.
> 
> If that were so, you'd be dead. Tell us: Have you ever heard of the
> concept of hybrid vigor? No, didn't think so.

And have you, Elena, ever heard that hybrid vigour is a phenomenon that is
unique to the first crossed generation, ie it doesn't breed true?  No, didn't
think so.

(Elena)
>>> >Not a bit of it. First came the folks from the East
>>> >to the population-free northern climes. Then came the folks from the
>>> >south (Africans - black Africans) and voila! Mix them all together
>>> >and what have you got? Europeans. Such a delicious recipe, too.

So the logical extension of what you're saying is that cross-breeds are
superior to Blacks.

It would be wonderful if you people would actually think about the
implications of what you're saying.

(snip)

> Oh my god. He's talking about skull shapes. But why should I be surprised?
> You are by far THE most ignorant cuss I've ever seen. Well, no, I do
> remember reading one Brian Bagnall - no, you're even dumber than Bagnall.
> Congratulations.

Pretty funny, seeing as how Franz Boas, the jewish anthropologist, did a
study on the skull shapes of Americans before WWII to "prove" that
environment played a really significant role in modifying the genotype
over HUNDREDS of years.

Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Jun 10 20:27:20 PDT 1995
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 (lzaird@io.org) writes:
> In article ,
> Les Griswold  wrote:
>>
>>Bull, Elena, and you know it.  This shows that you are either dishonest,
>>or stupid.  Liberals LOVE to take achievements of White men and attribute
>>them to non-Whites.
> 
> Here we go with the Egypt shit again...  Face it Les, Egypt is in Africa 
> dammit!

So?  Geographical location has nothing whatsoever to do with race.

> The people Mummified were Black, the hyrogliphics (SP!) were of 
> people who were Black, what more in the ways of proof do you need???  

Well, when the "proof" you sibmit is blatant bullshit, you'll forgive me
for remaining sceptical.

> Timeline of Ancien Egyptian culture.
> 
> 5000 BC - Egyptian culture well established on the nile...where were the 
> Aryans in 5000 BC Les?
> 
> 3200 BC - Menes united Lower Egypt (the delta) with his own kingdom of 
> Upper Egypt.  (still no Aryans Les.)
> 
> 2800 BC - Imhotep (an Aryan name?  Nope...) built the step pyramid at 
> Sakkara.
> 
> 2600 BC - Old Kingdom reached the height of it's power and the kings of 
> the 4th dynasty built pyramids at Giza.  (Any Aryans in the room please 
> stand and be accounted for...nobody?  Ok.)
> 
> ... I can keep going ...
> 
> (Les would have smugly asked for a source, but...)

Nope.  I would just ask you for relevance to the issue at hand, which is
"'Gyptians was BLACK, man!"

> Hutchinson Concise Encyclopedia, circa 1991.  (IN FULL COLOR)
> 
> (Les will now claim that it's a ZOG publication, and that it's all 
> false...and if so Les, where are YOU getting YOUR facts then?)

Stop trying to second-guess me, Lizzie/Billie... you sound like an
absolute moron doing so.

Les


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Elena Mills (emills@netcom.com) writes:
> Michael Moreno (mike@i-link.net) wrote:
> 
> Les Griswold said: 
> : >> Has anyone else noticed the amazing hypocrisy of liberals which says, "You
> : >> White guys CANNOT take any pride whatsoever for the accomplishments of
> : >> your ancestors, but you MUST take ALL the blame for whatever wrongdoings
> : >> we can think of!"
> 
> I said:
> : >Has anyone else noticed the amazing hypocrisy of nazis which says, "You
> : >Black guys CANNOT take any pride whatsoever for the accomplishments of
> : >your ancestors, but you MUST take ALL the blame for whatever wrongdoings
> : >we can think of!"
> : >
> 
> : How astute of you Elena, you've finally equated liberals with nazism.
> : I'm so proud of you.
> 
> No, mike, I've simply shown that Nazis like Les project their
> own attitudes on to everyone else. Liberals make no effort to
> deny the achievements of white people. Nazis, however, deny that
> anybody who's not white ever achieved anything. See the difference?

Bull, Elena, and you know it.  This shows that you are either dishonest,
or stupid.  Liberals LOVE to take achievements of White men and attribute
them to non-Whites.

Les


--
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Jun 10 20:28:17 PDT 1995
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Edward Tsong (edtsong@fas.harvard.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> 
> : Brother/sister marriages still have a better chance of isolating and
> : enhancing superior genetics, though.  Animal breeders do it all the time.
> 
> Of course, you'll have a far easier time isolating and enhancing your 
> multiple genetically inherited diseases as well. Do you really want 
> that? Or do you believe that your beloved aryan "race" is immune to 
> genetic diseases? 

Of course not.  Don't be silly.  However, if you had been following the
debate earlier, you'd realize that inbreeding must be coupled with keeping
undesirable specimens from breeding.  Of course, most libs had shrieking
fits when they saw that.

Les

--
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Jun 10 23:09:39 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: Liberal hypocrisy (*yawn* so what else is new?)
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Elena Mills (emills@netcom.com) writes:
> Michael Moreno (mike@i-link.net) wrote:
> 
> Les Griswold said: 
> : >> Has anyone else noticed the amazing hypocrisy of liberals which says, "You
> : >> White guys CANNOT take any pride whatsoever for the accomplishments of
> : >> your ancestors, but you MUST take ALL the blame for whatever wrongdoings
> : >> we can think of!"
> 
> I said:
> : >Has anyone else noticed the amazing hypocrisy of nazis which says, "You
> : >Black guys CANNOT take any pride whatsoever for the accomplishments of
> : >your ancestors, but you MUST take ALL the blame for whatever wrongdoings
> : >we can think of!"
> : >
> 
> : How astute of you Elena, you've finally equated liberals with nazism.
> : I'm so proud of you.
> 
> No, mike, I've simply shown that Nazis like Les project their
> own attitudes on to everyone else. Liberals make no effort to
> deny the achievements of white people. Nazis, however, deny that
> anybody who's not white ever achieved anything. See the difference?

Bull, Elena, and you know it.  This shows that you are either dishonest,
or stupid.  Liberals LOVE to take achievements of White men and attribute
them to non-Whites.

Les


--
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Jun 10 23:09:55 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Kevin Filan:  racist!
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kevin filan (kfilan@netcom.com) writes:
> In article ,
> Les Griswold  wrote:

(snip)

>>> 	Ummm... actually, the Arabs had some pretty extensive experience 
>>> in navigation and sailing.  The "spice routes" to Cathay (China) were 
>>> scouted out by Arabs.  The "Voyages of Sinbad" are based largely on 
>>> historical fact; turns out them Ay-rabs were sailing all over the Orient 
>>> long before Europeans.  
>>
>>And Africa.  Seems those "Black" ruins in Zimbabwe were engineered by
>>Arabs, and built using (you guessed it) Black slaves.
> 
> 	You're making my head hurt, Les.  It seems before you said that 
> "Astrolabes weren't much good on camels," thereby implying that Arabs 
> weren't white.

Only you, Andy, could make this inference.

> (They certainly aren't European).  Now you're saying that 
> they actually built some of those "Black" ruins in Zimbabwe... and 
> implying that Blacks can only do things when "White" folks help them.

Not implying, sorry.  Stating clearly.
 
> 	OK, Les... are Arabs White? 

Nope.  They're Semites.

>>> 	I could mention algebra, as well... and I could point out that 
>>> Western Philosophy was basically moribund until St. Thomas Aquinas, who 
>>> was trained in Aristotelian philosophy by, you guessed it... ragheads.
>>
>>Name dropper.  Also, I've never been one much for the term "ragheads": 
>>applies equally to Sikhs.  I prefer "rug riders" or "camel jockeys" myself.
> 
> 	I've also heard "Sand Nigger" and "Dune Coon."  Never heard "rug 
> rider." 
> 
>>> 	I could state that Arab architecture was among the most beautiful 
>>> in the world, and that such structures as the "Mosque of the Rock" in 
>>> Jerusalem and the minarets of Mecca are great achievements, certainly 
>>> comparable to the Cathedrals of Europe.  
>>> 
>>> 	At its height the Ottoman Empire extended for a pretty good 
>>> distance; and last I looked Turkey was nowhere near Northwestern Europe.
>>
>>You ever been to a German city?  Lot of Turks there...

Conversely, how many Germans are there in TURKISH cities?

> 	Yes... and do YOU realize that a lot of the great architecture of 
> Eastern Europe was produced by, you guessed it, Ottoman Turks (using the 
> native European population as serf labor, no less).  

And your point is...?
 
>>> 	You were saying about how it took white men to do anything...
>>
>>Yes, I was, and no-one has disproved it.
> 
> 	Sigh... my head still hurts.

I forgot whom I was talking to.

This is yet another example of the "current genetic constitution of a
people is identical to their genetic constitution throughout history"
argument.  I thought you were above such simple-minded semantics, Andy. 
It appears that I was in error.

Les


--
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


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Subject: A query...
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What's a "bottler"?  I was called one a while ago, and no-one answered my
initial question.  I'm just dying of curiousity right now (I'm sure this
will bring Hossanahs to some peoples' lips), so I'm hoping someone can
help me out.

Hey, it isn't everyday that us Natsee scum try to learn something.  Take
advantage of it!

Les

--
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Jun 10 23:10:02 PDT 1995
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Michael N. Rusignuolo (damone@ios.com) writes:

(snip)

> : I 
> : suggest that you find me a stable, balck, democratic African nation.
> 
> 	Gee, I believe the blacks have got a majority in South Africa 
> now, don't they?

Whatta dodge!

The ANC's monopoly of power is not democratic; it's "give us power or else!"

Les


--
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
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		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Jun 11 02:13:56 PDT 1995
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John Cooper (jcop@io.org) writes:
> In article <3r3sua$2so@ionews.io.org> lzaird@io.org writes:

(snip)
 
>>Here we go with the Egypt shit again...  Face it Les, Egypt is in Africa 
>>dammit!  The people Mummified were Black, the hyrogliphics (SP!) were of 
>>people who were Black, what more in the ways of proof do you need???  
> 
> EGYPT WAS NOT BLACK, PERIOD!! Ask an Egyptologist. The mummies were not black. 
> Egyptians most closely resembled the peoples of the Middle East. Your argument 
> that Egypt is in Africa, therefore they were black is like saying that Mexico 
> is in N. America, therefore Mexicans are English! Much of N. Africa is not 
> black. Also, if you think that you know so much about Egypt, how come you 
> can't spell "hieroglyphs"? Also, it appears as though you don't even know what 
> hieroglyphs are! Hieroglyphs are the Egyptian form of writing. From what you 
> say, you seem to suggest that hieroglyphs are paintings.

Don't get too honked with Lizard/Billie, he doesn't know any better.

It's part of the liberal tactics:  say ANYTHING, no matter how foolish. 
"Nazis" will waste their time refuting it, even though it's obviously stupid.

Les


--
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Jun 11 02:13:58 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Geogroaphy and race
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Scott Kirkham (kirkham@utkvx1.utk.edu) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:

>>So?  Geographical location has nothing whatsoever to do with race.

> But LesŠ Were you not the one that spoke of people descended from people
>  of certain regions being of Aryan descent? This would seem to imply
> that geographical location had much to do with race.

No.  I spoke of certain peoples being of Aryan descent, and I ALSO spoke
of certain regions having once been populated by Aryans.  I don't know
where you drew the inference you obviously did.

> And the Griswoldisms go onŠ 

Ah, another of my camp followers.

Les


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Subject: Elena's blonde... so?
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Elena Mills (emills@netcom.com) writes:

(snip)

> ROTFL! How am I biologically degenerate. Aren't I, half Danish
> and half German, just the biological model you poor stooges
> think is so perfect? I have blond hair (natural) and blue eyes,
> and I stand 5'9".

Blondeness and blue eyes are no proof against idiocy.  You should realize
that.

Hey, you're in good company.  Some of the greatest race-traitors going
were/are blond-haired and blue-eyed.

> Oh yes, and I believe heartily in brotherhood and peace. That's
> because I also have a high IQ, and am smart enough to know real
> losers when I see them.

Look in the mirror sometime...

(sorry, cheap shot, but she left herself wide open for it...)
 
Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Jun 11 10:56:40 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: Incest and polygyny
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Edward Tsong (edtsong@fas.harvard.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> 
> : Brother/sister marriages still have a better chance of isolating and
> : enhancing superior genetics, though.  Animal breeders do it all the time.
> 
> Of course, you'll have a far easier time isolating and enhancing your 
> multiple genetically inherited diseases as well. Do you really want 
> that? Or do you believe that your beloved aryan "race" is immune to 
> genetic diseases? 

Of course not.  Don't be silly.  However, if you had been following the
debate earlier, you'd realize that inbreeding must be coupled with keeping
undesirable specimens from breeding.  Of course, most libs had shrieking
fits when they saw that.

Les

--
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Jun 11 10:56:52 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: Liberal hypocrisy (*yawn* so what else is new?)
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John Cooper (jcop@io.org) writes:
> In article <3r3sua$2so@ionews.io.org> lzaird@io.org writes:

(snip)
 
>>Here we go with the Egypt shit again...  Face it Les, Egypt is in Africa 
>>dammit!  The people Mummified were Black, the hyrogliphics (SP!) were of 
>>people who were Black, what more in the ways of proof do you need???  
> 
> EGYPT WAS NOT BLACK, PERIOD!! Ask an Egyptologist. The mummies were not black. 
> Egyptians most closely resembled the peoples of the Middle East. Your argument 
> that Egypt is in Africa, therefore they were black is like saying that Mexico 
> is in N. America, therefore Mexicans are English! Much of N. Africa is not 
> black. Also, if you think that you know so much about Egypt, how come you 
> can't spell "hieroglyphs"? Also, it appears as though you don't even know what 
> hieroglyphs are! Hieroglyphs are the Egyptian form of writing. From what you 
> say, you seem to suggest that hieroglyphs are paintings.

Don't get too honked with Lizard/Billie, he doesn't know any better.

It's part of the liberal tactics:  say ANYTHING, no matter how foolish. 
"Nazis" will waste their time refuting it, even though it's obviously stupid.

Les


--
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Jun 11 10:56:54 PDT 1995
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Subject: Geogroaphy and race
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Scott Kirkham (kirkham@utkvx1.utk.edu) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:

>>So?  Geographical location has nothing whatsoever to do with race.

> But LesŠ Were you not the one that spoke of people descended from people
>  of certain regions being of Aryan descent? This would seem to imply
> that geographical location had much to do with race.

No.  I spoke of certain peoples being of Aryan descent, and I ALSO spoke
of certain regions having once been populated by Aryans.  I don't know
where you drew the inference you obviously did.

> And the Griswoldisms go onŠ 

Ah, another of my camp followers.

Les


--
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Jun 11 11:39:53 PDT 1995
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John Cooper (jcop@io.org) writes:
> In article <3r3sua$2so@ionews.io.org> lzaird@io.org writes:

(snip)
 
>>Here we go with the Egypt shit again...  Face it Les, Egypt is in Africa 
>>dammit!  The people Mummified were Black, the hyrogliphics (SP!) were of 
>>people who were Black, what more in the ways of proof do you need???  
> 
> EGYPT WAS NOT BLACK, PERIOD!! Ask an Egyptologist. The mummies were not black. 
> Egyptians most closely resembled the peoples of the Middle East. Your argument 
> that Egypt is in Africa, therefore they were black is like saying that Mexico 
> is in N. America, therefore Mexicans are English! Much of N. Africa is not 
> black. Also, if you think that you know so much about Egypt, how come you 
> can't spell "hieroglyphs"? Also, it appears as though you don't even know what 
> hieroglyphs are! Hieroglyphs are the Egyptian form of writing. From what you 
> say, you seem to suggest that hieroglyphs are paintings.

Don't get too honked with Lizard/Billie, he doesn't know any better.

It's part of the liberal tactics:  say ANYTHING, no matter how foolish. 
"Nazis" will waste their time refuting it, even though it's obviously stupid.

Les


--
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Jun 11 11:39:56 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Geogroaphy and race
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Scott Kirkham (kirkham@utkvx1.utk.edu) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:

>>So?  Geographical location has nothing whatsoever to do with race.

> But LesŠ Were you not the one that spoke of people descended from people
>  of certain regions being of Aryan descent? This would seem to imply
> that geographical location had much to do with race.

No.  I spoke of certain peoples being of Aryan descent, and I ALSO spoke
of certain regions having once been populated by Aryans.  I don't know
where you drew the inference you obviously did.

> And the Griswoldisms go onŠ 

Ah, another of my camp followers.

Les


--
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Jun 11 11:39:58 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: You promise? (was: One last message for Mr. Lester Griswold.)
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Steve  Garza (sgarza@csubak.edu) writes:

(snip)

>> So the logical extension of what you're saying is that cross-breeds are
>> superior to Blacks.
> 
> Yes, Les, that's why sex is superior to asexual reproduction. It transmits
> genes across a population until new, better, combinations are produced.
> You know, if you want to focus on controlled breeding and focus on
> intelligence as a criteria for having more children, GREAT! But if you
> want to focus on skin color as the criteria of having more children and
> deciding whom can breed with whom, then you're already antiquated in your
> thinking.

Skin colour is the most reliable indicator of what that person carries in
his/her genes.  We don't discriminate against Blacks JUST BECAUSE they are
Black.  But why this preoccupation with skin colour?  I sense a whiff of
racism here...

> You see Les, I agree with Eugenics and the overall type of
> society you promote. Yet I can't change who I am. I could be your ally,
> but you're unwilling to consider working with other groups of people, even
> if they have the same goals and ideas.

But you don't HAVE the same goals and ideas as I do.  I am a White Racist.
 You aren't.  Got it yet?

(snip)
 
> I picked up a book on races in the library of our community college a few
> years ago. The book was produced previous to WWII. It had a section on
> Jews and it also talked about such things such as skull types. I don't
> think that modern anthropologists agree with much of what those books say
> Les. They are old with antiquated ideas. If you are going to argue about
> the environment playing any role in modifying genotypes, then argue from
> scientific journals from the late eighties and early nindies. If you do
> some homework and report on what you discover, then please include the
> journal name and date so that we "liberals" can follow up and read those
> articles too. Just because white, Jewish, black, Chinese or other
> anthropologists from the 40's believed in the significance of skull shapes
> does not necessarily make it true in the 90's. I am sure there are many
> modern studies refuting or contradicting earlier studies.

Sure, are you?  Well I'm sure that you're spewing bull doodie.

> Yoo Hoo. This is
> the 1990s Les. We are not so damn gullible that we are going to believe
> that blacks are closer to apes than whites unless there is an unbiased
> scientific study showing, for example, that the average white is 99.53% as
> close to chimpazees and blacks 99.58%.  We are not going to believe that
> Jews are conspiring to take over the world just because they are
> over-represented in certain fields. Do you have tape recordings of
> wire-tapped phone lines of prominent Jews discussing these plans? Do you
> have pictures of secret get togethers of Jews plotting their economic
> conquests?

(snip)
 
> I know that you believe in world wide conspiracies and people plotting to
> take over the world. I know that you and your Nazi buddies plan to do the
> same thing.

Do you have tape recordings of us discussing our plans for world conquest?
 Do you have pictures of secret get togethers of us "Nazis" plotting our
world conquest?

Just stick to your promise - no more messages.

Les

--
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Jun 11 20:28:21 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Liberal hypocrisy (*yawn* so what else is new?)
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John Cooper (jcop@io.org) writes:
> In article <3r3sua$2so@ionews.io.org> lzaird@io.org writes:

(snip)
 
>>Here we go with the Egypt shit again...  Face it Les, Egypt is in Africa 
>>dammit!  The people Mummified were Black, the hyrogliphics (SP!) were of 
>>people who were Black, what more in the ways of proof do you need???  
> 
> EGYPT WAS NOT BLACK, PERIOD!! Ask an Egyptologist. The mummies were not black. 
> Egyptians most closely resembled the peoples of the Middle East. Your argument 
> that Egypt is in Africa, therefore they were black is like saying that Mexico 
> is in N. America, therefore Mexicans are English! Much of N. Africa is not 
> black. Also, if you think that you know so much about Egypt, how come you 
> can't spell "hieroglyphs"? Also, it appears as though you don't even know what 
> hieroglyphs are! Hieroglyphs are the Egyptian form of writing. From what you 
> say, you seem to suggest that hieroglyphs are paintings.

Don't get too honked with Lizard/Billie, he doesn't know any better.

It's part of the liberal tactics:  say ANYTHING, no matter how foolish. 
"Nazis" will waste their time refuting it, even though it's obviously stupid.

Les


--
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Jun 11 20:28:24 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Geogroaphy and race
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Scott Kirkham (kirkham@utkvx1.utk.edu) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:

>>So?  Geographical location has nothing whatsoever to do with race.

> But LesŠ Were you not the one that spoke of people descended from people
>  of certain regions being of Aryan descent? This would seem to imply
> that geographical location had much to do with race.

No.  I spoke of certain peoples being of Aryan descent, and I ALSO spoke
of certain regions having once been populated by Aryans.  I don't know
where you drew the inference you obviously did.

> And the Griswoldisms go onŠ 

Ah, another of my camp followers.

Les


--
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Jun 11 20:28:26 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: You promise? (was: One last message for Mr. Lester Griswold.)
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Steve  Garza (sgarza@csubak.edu) writes:

(snip)

>> So the logical extension of what you're saying is that cross-breeds are
>> superior to Blacks.
> 
> Yes, Les, that's why sex is superior to asexual reproduction. It transmits
> genes across a population until new, better, combinations are produced.
> You know, if you want to focus on controlled breeding and focus on
> intelligence as a criteria for having more children, GREAT! But if you
> want to focus on skin color as the criteria of having more children and
> deciding whom can breed with whom, then you're already antiquated in your
> thinking.

Skin colour is the most reliable indicator of what that person carries in
his/her genes.  We don't discriminate against Blacks JUST BECAUSE they are
Black.  But why this preoccupation with skin colour?  I sense a whiff of
racism here...

> You see Les, I agree with Eugenics and the overall type of
> society you promote. Yet I can't change who I am. I could be your ally,
> but you're unwilling to consider working with other groups of people, even
> if they have the same goals and ideas.

But you don't HAVE the same goals and ideas as I do.  I am a White Racist.
 You aren't.  Got it yet?

(snip)
 
> I picked up a book on races in the library of our community college a few
> years ago. The book was produced previous to WWII. It had a section on
> Jews and it also talked about such things such as skull types. I don't
> think that modern anthropologists agree with much of what those books say
> Les. They are old with antiquated ideas. If you are going to argue about
> the environment playing any role in modifying genotypes, then argue from
> scientific journals from the late eighties and early nindies. If you do
> some homework and report on what you discover, then please include the
> journal name and date so that we "liberals" can follow up and read those
> articles too. Just because white, Jewish, black, Chinese or other
> anthropologists from the 40's believed in the significance of skull shapes
> does not necessarily make it true in the 90's. I am sure there are many
> modern studies refuting or contradicting earlier studies.

Sure, are you?  Well I'm sure that you're spewing bull doodie.

> Yoo Hoo. This is
> the 1990s Les. We are not so damn gullible that we are going to believe
> that blacks are closer to apes than whites unless there is an unbiased
> scientific study showing, for example, that the average white is 99.53% as
> close to chimpazees and blacks 99.58%.  We are not going to believe that
> Jews are conspiring to take over the world just because they are
> over-represented in certain fields. Do you have tape recordings of
> wire-tapped phone lines of prominent Jews discussing these plans? Do you
> have pictures of secret get togethers of Jews plotting their economic
> conquests?

(snip)
 
> I know that you believe in world wide conspiracies and people plotting to
> take over the world. I know that you and your Nazi buddies plan to do the
> same thing.

Do you have tape recordings of us discussing our plans for world conquest?
 Do you have pictures of secret get togethers of us "Nazis" plotting our
world conquest?

Just stick to your promise - no more messages.

Les

--
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


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Derek Bell (dbell@maths.tcd.ie) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
>>Brother/sister marriages still have a better chance of isolating and
>>enhancing superior genetics, though.  Animal breeders do it all the time.
> 
> 	Ever hear of recessive genes? Ever wonder why the royal families of
> Europe aren't shining specimens of humanity? Do you know shit about genetics?

Sure do, and it appears that I know quite a bit more than you do.

"Recessive" does not automatically mean "bad", nor does "dominant"
automatically mean "good" or "desirable".

Anyway, barring mutations (which would occur REGARDLESS of the closeness
of the partners), undesirable traits don't appear out of nowhere.  If a
child is born with Down's Syndrome, that's because the gene for Down's
Syndrome was somewhere in the DNA of the parents.

Les


--
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Jun 14 14:56:15 PDT 1995
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MStaloff (mstaloff@aol.com) writes:
> Les,
>    A white is anyone of Indo-Euorpean descent.  So any non-Indo-European
> blood spoils the mix?  Then, for the reasons I've said before (Mixing
> caused by the Roman Army, Asian invasions which affected Europe for
> several centuries) England and Germany, and indeed probably no-one save
> for some Icelandics and Irish, couldn't qualify.  Unless partial
> Indo-European ancestry counted, in which case Jews would be white.  Les,
> unless you can chart everyone's ancestry back 2000 years, you can't
> generalize about a country.

You're just being silly.

>    As for saying Asian armies use men instad of ammo, and that accounts
> for increased casualties, you should realize that Germany fought on the E.
> Front too, losing a few million men there.  And towards the end, when the
> Germans were arming 14 and 60 year-olds to fight off the advancing Allies
> and Russians, they were pretty much using people as cannon fodder.  I
> guess that's just their Asiatic genes acting up. :)

Hoo, boy.  Eastern Front = Manchuria?  No WONDER talking to you is such a
pain in the ass!

(snip)

>    What would Britain be today had it surrendered to Hitler?  Probably
> somewhere in the place the Netherlands ended up in during the early 40's. 

Actually, I think you're missing a very crucial point here:  in the 1940s,
Europe was AT WAR, so it's blatantly stupid to imply that wartime
conditions would prevail after hostilities ceased.

> It would be exporting its youth and wealth to the Grossreich, with
> citizens at home living on bread and cabbage as German occupiers feasted. 
> India, Malaya, Hong Kong, Singapore, and Burma would be Japanese
> territories (Vichy France ceded IndoChina to the Japanese in the summer of
> '40).  The US would have taken over Britain's trade links with Latin
> America and the Caribbean.  Canada, well, who cares?  Maybe an independent
> Quebec.  In any case, this Britain is hardly better off than Britain
> today.

But, since it's your "Anti-Nazis are right at any price" fantasy, it
carries little weight.

Les


--
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Jun 14 14:56:17 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: Politics in the "New" South Africa
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Micro G (matic@osn.de) writes:
> Listen up !
> 
> I´m an Arian. But talking about blacks this way is totally racist.
> The blacks ever have been denuncited in South Africa and time has come to 
> revenge for them.
> They aren´t like the Jews which don´t fight when Nazis do with them whatever 
> they want. Blacks realize that they´re able to do the right thing for them.
> It´s just respectable if they don´t care about a white minotity that forced 
> them all the time to do what they wanted them to do.
> 
> Africa once will get rich and gain influence - but time will come !
> 
> The blacks in the states will fight. They have been deported to America into 
> slavery. Now they´re free and have 1 out of 10 of U.S. population.
> They won´t let everything happen again. They have to hear it when whites say 
> that everything (crime, prostitution, etc.) was their fault.
> 
> In South Africa everything is better now - for the blacks - and that´s good.
> 
> I´m an European nationalist (something new, isn´t it - actually I´m German), 
> but I don´t care about races or religions (actually I hate religion).

... and they call RACISTS "boneheads"...

Les


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Tom Lathrop (tlathrop@netcom.com) writes:
> In article ,
> zighelboim ari   wrote:

(snip)
 
>>This point by Gould is absolutely correct, and it simply invalidates all 
>>pretence of scientific value made by anyone who uses the basically social 
>>category "black" thinking that it refers to a biological category.
>>Many Americans, particularly some who pretend to be "scientific" are 
>>incapable of distinguishing their prejudices from actual fact.  They just 
>>garb them in scientific lingo and think they are touching at the truth!

You don't SERIOUSLY believe that "Black" is a social definition only (or
"basically", to use your word), and that it DOESN'T refer to a biological
category, as you imply?

> Apparently you didn't follow my "scientific lingo" very well.  The 
> point Gould made was correct, but the conclusion he drew from it was
> not.  Read my post again and come back when you understand it.
> 
>>Biologizing social phenomena, particularly conflictive ones, is a 
>>political strategy whose final message is:  Society is as nature wanted, 
>>and must not be changed.  It is an advanced form of false ideology in the 
>>Marxian sense.
> 
> Are you a Marxist?  Marxists seem to misrepresent their opponents
> positions as a matter of course, and you've certainly misrepresented
> mine.  The *last* thing I would say about our society or any other is
> that it is "as nature wanted, and must not be changed".  I do believe
> that there is a such thing as an inborn "human nature", and that a
> society in conflict with human nature will fail.  But I also believe
> that there is no one "natural" society, that a large number of very
> different but still workable societies are possible, and that many of
> them would be vastly preferable to ours.  Where I differ from Utopians
> of various stripes (Marxists, Libertarians, etc.) is that I have no
> great confidence in anyone's ability to figure out for sure *which*
> societies would work, or how to get there from here.  It was the
> *Marxists* who had infinite confidence that they thoroughly understood
> the "science" of history and could control it -- but that confidence
> has been, well, shaken recently, and only nitwit academics take Marx
> seriously any more.

Les


--
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


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Subject: Re: Jews or Jewishness ?
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Steve  Garza (sgarza@csubak.edu) writes:
> In article <3ri191$s0d@pipe2.nyc.pipeline.com>, parzival@nyc.pipeline.com
> (Jeffrey Vogel) wrote:
> 
>> In Mein Kampf,Adolf Hitler describes our enemy as the Jewish 
>> race and that it is not a matter of religon. 
>> His ernst attempt to eradicate the bad jewish blood has been the 
>> downfall and damnation of National Socialism. 
>>  
>> I believe that the 'bad blood' theory originated with Mde Helen Blavatsky
>> and was co-opted by Von Lanz in the Ostura and came 
>> to be the belief of the 1930's National Socialists. 
>>  
>> This is not correct,the eternal enemy of the Aryan is the Jewish 
>> attitude and selfishness! There is a remarkable ability of Jews to 
>> look out for number 1 ! and always profit at the expense of others 
>> and the look favorably upon this behavior.This "jewish attitude" 
>> has spread 100 fold in the last 50 years and is not restricted to 
>> racial jews any more. 
>>  
>> National Socialism is above all a form a socialism and the individual 
>> must be part of the body of the state,the "jews" have excluded themselves
>> and now many Christians and Arabs have adopted the 
>> same attiutude.This is our battle. 

> So, the logical conclusion is to reject Jewish, Christian, and Muslim
> beliefs.

And this is bad because...?

> Rejection of selfishness and excessive profit is called for.

And this is bad because...?

> Logic, science, and mathematics are needed to give people the tools to
> make better decisions and understand the world in a larger perspective.
> But, before you plan to burn synagogues or churches, I ask another
> question: Are all or even most Jews and Christians self centered or have
> some negative "Jewish attitude?"

Non sequitur.  Rejection of Jewdeo-Christian values does NOT equate with
wanting to burn synagogues or churches.

> Also, other countries such as the export
> oriented countries in Asia and the Middle East are trying very hard to get
> control over the world economy. How do they fit in "your battle?"

Christianity, Judaism, Islam, are all Oriental religions.

> You also
> state that Jews have excluded themselves from the body of the state. I am
> not sure I understand what you mean there. I don't like the way you talk
> in absolutes. Jews and other minorities do not come out of little
> factories as manufactured identical units.

Neither do racists, but you have little problem stereotyping us all as
synagogue-burning goons.

> They are individuals and as diversified as a rainbow.

"We are the world..."

Les


--
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


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Chris Faatz (cfaatz@teleport.com) writes:

(snip)

> : > Gosh, I wish I had a library of their stuff to refer to, but I don't. I
> : > *can* tell you that Revilo's piece on Christianity was remarkably 
> : > a-historical, remarkably devoid of anything remotely approaching a scientific
> : > method, and, overall, nothing more than nonsense.
> 
> : That's bullshit, Chris, and you know it.  I've read many of Dr. Oliver's
> : works, and if the piece on Christianity conforms to what you say of it,
> : then Dr. Oliver made an incredible break from his regular style.  Dr.
> : Oliver's works may be somewhat long-winded and turgid, but they are NOT
> : "nonsense".
> 
> Well, I'm hobbled here, Les--I've only read his stuff in the IHR stuff 
> and in Stormfront. I'd actually *love* to see some of his writings on the
> classics, and I may order one of his other books as well--he's a damn good
> writer, even if I don't agree with him, and those are few and far between
> these days.

Nifty excuse, coming out with the "my exposure to his stuff is limited". 
I stand by what I said, and I will add this observation:  Dr. Oliver's
opinion of Christianity changed considerably from the early 1960s to the
1990s.  (so, for that matter, has mine, although not over the same time
period.)
 
> I stand by what I said, though, on his interpretation of Christianity. I'll
> tell you Les, I prefer the Liberations Theologians of Central and South
> America, of Africa, and of Asia to the authoritarian, hierarchical, or
> end-times theologians who only serve to perpetuate the old order. His stuff
> on this subject was off the historical deep end--well written, but way
> off target. Have you read it? Want me to forward it to you?

I'm not really interested in seeing some old Oliver; it would be
interesting only to those who would like to trace the development of his
ideas, which I have already done.
 
> You know my politics, Les. I'm a libertarian socialist and pacifist. I'm
> a race traitor in the fullest sense of the word. My politics are directly
> across the spectrum from yours. But that doesn't mean that I'm going to
> hate you, no matter how much curdled cheese you toss in my face. You've
> got the bollocks to stand up for what you believe in, again and again and
> again. I may not agree with you in the least bit, but I have to respect
> your doggedness.

I don't toss ANY "curdled cheese" in your face.  I say what I mean, I mean
what I say, and I never insult someone unintentionally.
 
(snip - Chris asking for "facts", like he hasn't been given any... "Do not
give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw your pearls before swine..."
Matthew 7, 6:-))

> : > Sure, and be held up to the light, and either glommed onto or cast away
> : > in the clear air of reasoned, this-worldly, fact-based discourse.
> 
> : Or dismissed as Nazi-inspired hate.
> 
> Nazis, fascists, and racial nationalistscan all mean very different things,
> Les. And "hate" can be understood in many ways. I see a reason, for example,
> behind Yggdrasil's White Nationalism FAQ, even though I feel it's mistaken.

BWAHAHAHA!!!  Chris, you'd better iron out your insults with your buddies,
most of whom seem to think that we ARE jackboot-wearing, goosestepping
Hitler youth.

(snip)

> Sorry Les. Can't claim to be an intellectual. And, at least I read so-called
> pro-White stuff. And, somewhat differently from other folks on this list,
> at least I'm trying to discuss it.

"For research only", of course.

> Now, what else does that mean. You guys are always on the offensive or
> defensive on this ng. It's an exercise in flaming and counter-flaming.
> What's up, Les?
> :  
> : Why not just pore over that Mcclone's article?  It contains all the
> : information you'd ever need to go zooming off on a Nazi-bash (could you
> : tell that they were, shall we say, BIASED against me?)
> 
> Super biased.

Not to mention pissed that they couldn't get me to give 'em some print
versions of sound bites to use against us!

(snip - me telling Chris to mind his own beeswax regarding my personal
life, which is, well, personal).

> Boy, I guess you told me, huh? Are you *afraid* of real dialogue, Les?
> Everyone of my other pigeon-holed "lib" pariahs on this ng claim that you
> are.... Is that true?

Oh, I'm sorry, Chris, did I give you the impression that I give a flying
fuck what liberals think about me?

Les


--
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


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Andy Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:

(snip)

Me:    
>    I'm not too worried.  After all, people can see that liberals are too
>    chicken-shit to address the core issues of my messages, and content
>    themselves with nit-picking peripherals.
    
> When you argue that a master race is destined to rule the Earthm the
> identity of that race is hardly a peripheral issue, Les. So far, the only
> consistent definition of the White race that you've offered is that you're
> in it.

*sigh* I've defined White several times, Raggedy.  This is the last time;
pay attention.

White is someone who is wholly of Indo-European (or Northwestern European)
descent.  Now, before you start hopping up and down about my using a
geographical term to describe a racial group, get a grip.  When I say
"Northwestern European", I don't mean anyone living in Northwestern Europe
NOW, such as a Turkish _gastarbeiter_ in Germany.  That a screaming feeb
like you figures he has found a fatal flaw in my argument means nothing to
me at all; after all, I just consider the source.

> So, what "core issues" have I not addressed? My news server was acting al
> little wonky last week, not marking posts as read; with 300ish posts to
> read at the worst of the problem, I may have missed something.

Sure, blame it on technology.  That's another thing you libs can get away
with, and yet when it happens to WP people, they're "dodging".

Les



--
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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"K. Tewson" (asharte@u.washington.edu) writes:

(snip)
 
>> Lets see how many sodomites actually add to the community.  Farmers, well
>> they all seem to be heterosexual. The list goes on and on ... the last,
>> but not least, argument that they work against society to produce a
>> decadent, slothful, and soft people that any man and his dog could defeat.
> 
> Tony Kushner?

Who's that?

> Barney Frank?

You're defeating yourself here!

> Jodie Foster?

Does she know that you guys are claiming her as one of your own?

> Eleanor Roosovelt?

Same as for Barney Frank, you're not helping your argument!

> And the assertion that farmers are all het has GOT to be one of the more 
> bizarre things I've seen on the Net.  Cites, please?

And have you any evidence that they AREN'T?

"Innocent until proven guilty", you know...

Les


--
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Jun 14 15:25:19 PDT 1995
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Andy Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>  
>    F.W. Vint, in 1934, conducted studies on Kenyan brains, and found that
>    White brains are, on the average, 15% thicker in the supragranular layer
>    of the cortex.  The _British Medical Journal_, March 1932, published the
>    following findings of Dr. James H. Sequeira:
>    
>    Brain volumes:
>    
>    Caucasoid:      1380 grams
>    East African:   1280 grams
>    Negroid:        1240 grams
>    Australoid:     1180 grams
>     
> Okay. That's brains. What about glands?
> 
> No, I'm not letting the above slide. It may be a few days before I can get
> to the library, though. (Does anyone have access to Medline?) 
> 
> Given your assertion that "we're not stuck in pre-WWII Germany," I find it
> interesting that your citations--few and far between--are all of that
> vintage, if not geography. Did all science end with the bombing of Pearl
> Harbor, or was that the point at which the Joos got a stranglehold on the
> world's scientists?

Raggedy Andy!  You take all the fun out of being a White Racist by
anticipating everything we're going to say!

But on the serious side, what would happen to any anthropologist today who
tried to study brain size from the point of view that favours heredity
over environment, and that differences in structure MUST mean difference
in function?  Don't know, or don't wanna answer?  I'll tell you:  look at
the shitstorm that was raised over the relatively tame _TBC_, and multiply
it several times.

Just because something is old, doesn't mean it's wrong.  Until it's been
refuted scientifically, it stands (hint:  refutation consists of more than
snarky remarks about "racism", and shouting it down).
 
>    >       If you do not, I shall conclude that, like your claims about rape
>    > statistics, they are bogus.
>    
>    Uh, Derek?  I remember writing that sort of thing on insulting notes in
>    the 2nd grade:  "True if destroyed."
> 
> Once again, you read it 180 degrees wrong. It's "true if proven," which is
> the usual standard that thinking people apply to any assertion.

No, Derek was assuming that I WANT to reply to him (in this case, I did). 
Maybe the allegations are true, but I think that Derek is a waste of time.
 My failure to reply to him means NOTHING about the statistics themselves.

Les



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Cowards die many times before their deaths;
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(since Sylvie is my wife... er, me in drag, I feel welcome to respond)

The Sub-genius (laramary@eden.rutgers.edu) writes:
> bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Sylvie Charbonneau) writes:
> 
> 	I see you stopped calling me a hypocrit.  Does this mean that you
> admit you were wrong?
> 
> 	[On predudice]
> 
>>Yes, but once you have learned a lesson, is it necessary to constantly
>>learn it again?  I have learned that I have nothing in common with blacks
>>when I was working with them, seeing how they lived, how they interacted
>>within themselves and with whites, etc... I have learned that I do not
>>like them very much, and that I want to avoid them.  You, on the other
>>hand, have learned nothing.
> 
> 	How do you know what I've learned?  I don't create my own 
> stereotypes and follow them blindly.  I do not believe that race has
> anything to do with anything.  You ignorantly do.  Sad.
> 	Basically, I have learned that you're a kook...

Conversely, how do you know what SYLVIE, or anyone else, has learned? 
It's really revealing of your egotism when you imply that others have to
meet YOUR criteria of how other races must be judged, and how quickly or
slowly one can apply life experience to dealing with non-Whites.
 
>>> ...how do you know you have nothing in common with a Black person...
> 
>>If one constantly learns the same lesson about a certain group, and it is
>>reinforced daily, pretty soon you don't need to question, you just accept
>>it as fact and move on.
> 
> 	I doubt you have any idea what you're talking about.  You 
> probably have only bothered to talk to 2 or 3 Black people in your life,
> and if so, even then you i doubt you ever gave them the benifit of the
> doubt.  You already know how your going to feel about a person before you
> meet them...

So what?  Now we have to have had dealings with 50 Blacks before you'll
give your seal of approval?  And we have to give them "the benefit of the
doubt", whatever that means?  I assume that "benefit of the doubt" is left
to YOUR discretion, and you can tell at a glance whether or not we've
"given the benefit of the doubt" to Blacks or jews or whatever.

Les


--
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


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Steve  Garza (sgarza@csubak.edu) writes:
> In article <3ri191$s0d@pipe2.nyc.pipeline.com>, parzival@nyc.pipeline.com
> (Jeffrey Vogel) wrote:
> 
>> In Mein Kampf,Adolf Hitler describes our enemy as the Jewish 
>> race and that it is not a matter of religon. 
>> His ernst attempt to eradicate the bad jewish blood has been the 
>> downfall and damnation of National Socialism. 
>>  
>> I believe that the 'bad blood' theory originated with Mde Helen Blavatsky
>> and was co-opted by Von Lanz in the Ostura and came 
>> to be the belief of the 1930's National Socialists. 
>>  
>> This is not correct,the eternal enemy of the Aryan is the Jewish 
>> attitude and selfishness! There is a remarkable ability of Jews to 
>> look out for number 1 ! and always profit at the expense of others 
>> and the look favorably upon this behavior.This "jewish attitude" 
>> has spread 100 fold in the last 50 years and is not restricted to 
>> racial jews any more. 
>>  
>> National Socialism is above all a form a socialism and the individual 
>> must be part of the body of the state,the "jews" have excluded themselves
>> and now many Christians and Arabs have adopted the 
>> same attiutude.This is our battle. 

> So, the logical conclusion is to reject Jewish, Christian, and Muslim
> beliefs.

And this is bad because...?

> Rejection of selfishness and excessive profit is called for.

And this is bad because...?

> Logic, science, and mathematics are needed to give people the tools to
> make better decisions and understand the world in a larger perspective.
> But, before you plan to burn synagogues or churches, I ask another
> question: Are all or even most Jews and Christians self centered or have
> some negative "Jewish attitude?"

Non sequitur.  Rejection of Jewdeo-Christian values does NOT equate with
wanting to burn synagogues or churches.

> Also, other countries such as the export
> oriented countries in Asia and the Middle East are trying very hard to get
> control over the world economy. How do they fit in "your battle?"

Christianity, Judaism, Islam, are all Oriental religions.

> You also
> state that Jews have excluded themselves from the body of the state. I am
> not sure I understand what you mean there. I don't like the way you talk
> in absolutes. Jews and other minorities do not come out of little
> factories as manufactured identical units.

Neither do racists, but you have little problem stereotyping us all as
synagogue-burning goons.

> They are individuals and as diversified as a rainbow.

"We are the world..."

Les


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The valiant never taste of death but once.
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Subject: Homo "love" (was: They were BORN that way!) 
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"K. Tewson" (asharte@u.washington.edu) writes:

(snip)
 
>> > The 
>> > list goes on and on. . . . the last, but not least, argument being that 
>> > if two people are completely and totally in love, it is blatantly wrong 
>> > to keep them apart.
>> 
>> Back to emotional tactics are we? Define love.  
> 
> Ego-death.  The state of caring about another individual's well-being 
> more than your own.  Never having to say you're sorry.  A happy little 
> sled that suddenly flips over, pinning you underneath.  (At night, the 
> ice weasels come.)

You have a pretty warped definition of "love", if you consider two
panty-waists mucking around in each others' poop-chutes to be "love".
 
> Whatever the definition, please tell me why it is just to separate two 
> people who believe that they are in love.

Nice dodge.

Les


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Cowards die many times before their deaths;
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		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Still more liberal slurs!
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This one really cracks me up.  The typical liberal line of "reasoning", if
it can be called that, goes like this:

1)  Person X is a racist.

2)  THEREFORE, person X advocates killing of (whatever minority is in
vogue at the moment, usually Blacks.  Poor Blacks!)

3)  If person X is NOT if favour of killing/exterminating/disposing of
whatever minority, then he's a two-faced hypocrite.

This is predicated on a liberal belief that one must EITHER hate
minorities (again, Blacks come in for much more than their share of
bashing here), OR love them.  There's no middle ground with liberals.

Les

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Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Jun 14 15:25:32 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Geez, you guys are STUPID! (not to mention nosy!)
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Steve  Garza (sgarza@csubak.edu) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>  I want to know *your*
>> > views, and, funny thing is--and it's something you'll never believe--I'm
>> > *serious* about it.
>> 
>> Okee-dokee, Chris:  I'm a White Racist.  Of course, that immediately
>> brings to mind caricatures of jackboots, monocles, and swastika armbands,
>> not to mention "holocausts" and pogroms.  Be (snicker) frank, Chris.
>  
> No, Les. That is not what he is asking. What do you believe is the
> underlying problems in this country

Race.  More specifically, pretending that there are no differences between
the races.

> and what realistic approaches should we take to correcting or minimizes those 
> problems.

Repatriation of non-Whites.  Want me to spell it for you?

> We want to know if you advocate giving third world countries condoms, 
> Norplant, or birth control pills or whether you advocate marching troops
> in and shooting everyone.

Neither.  It may come as a surprise to you, but when we get the Third
World leeches off our back, we won't give a damn what they do in their own
countries.  They just better not cause us trouble, that's all.

> We want to know if you want more education for everyone or education spent
> only on "smart" people and work training or apprenticeships for everyone
> else.  We want to know if you favor letting people starve in the streets
> and foster disease, or round up the homeless and put them in concentration
> camps, or provide minimal housing for the  absolute poor. It is these and
> a myriad of other questions we want to know. What are your opinions Les?

Of course not.  Those are all peripheral issues.  My concern (and the
concern of a surprisingly large number of people, Steve) is RACE.  I have
never argued the phony criteria you give above (intelligence, wealth) as
meaning anything, so don't imply that I have.

> Chris wasn't asking if you are a racist. He's asking what methods you
> favor in promoting a racist society.

Well, why don't you tell me, since you know so much about us?

Why don't you tell me that I REALLY mean to burn synagogues and
churches, regardless of what I say?  Or tell me about how I REALLY plan to
engineer another "holocaust", because I'm a (oo!) RACIST.
 
(snip)

> You don't know what is going on in the world, but you want the power to
> change it! You want to isolate yourself and your people from the rest of
> the world. You want to find a little enclave in Idaho for the white people
> to unite.

More of Steve telling me what we REALLY want.

> Then would you like to move to Central America or Africa as
> conquerors? You will still find the jungles infested with disease carrying
> mosquitoes. You will still find the hot sun roasting your crops and the
> wind blowing away your top soil. You will still find that your poor people
> can survive without having shelters. There is no super cold that kills
> those people in winter due to lack of shelter. You will still have poor
> people in the streets eking out a miserable existence. 

You're really going off the deep end, Steve.  Get help.
 
Les


--
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


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Subject: Re: They were BORN that way! (was: Excrementum vincit cerebellum)
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Steve  Garza (sgarza@csubak.edu) writes:
> In article , bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Sylvie Charbonneau) wrote:
>> 
>> Bullshit!  Most homosexuals choose to be homosexual.  I would like to see
>> your proof that they don't choose to be that way.  And you can't use the
>> argument that they have a different brain structure either, since we
>> Whites can't use that argument to explain the difference between Whites
>> and  blacks.  
> 
> There are differences in the brain structures of all people just like
> there is a difference in finger prints. Different races might even have
> large differences. I don't know the credibilty on this, but I heard on the
> radio that some researches injected a single gene into fruit flies and
> they elicited homosexual behavior afterwards. While this does not mean
> that there is a gene in the human population to do the same, it does raise
> some interesting challenges to conventional wisdom.
> 
> But Sylvie you and your husband are proof positive that there are genetic
> mental differences between people. I am happy to say, that just as there
> are a myriad of hair types and noses in the white population there are
> also a myriad of mental types. I am glad that most "whites" don't
> rationalize the way you two do.
> 
> It's like you want to say, "See, I told you so. Blacks are different
> mentally from whites and we are therefore justified in treating them as
> second class citizens. I don't want my children marrying a black man." Yes
> blacks have different rates of heart disease and cancer than whites. They
> probably also have  different emotional and intellectual rates. Yet that
> doens't mean they are all the same. It doesn't mean that genetic
> crossbreeding is bad.

Doesn't mean that it's good, either.  You're shooting yourself in the foot
with this transparent "it's not A, so it's B" simian logic.

> It doens't mean that all the aces are in the white
> man hand of cards. It doesn't mean you can look at two people, one black
> and one white and conclude that the white will do better in math, english,
> art and the black person will do better in physical education. It doesn't
> mean that the black person will use foul language or be more emotional
> than the white person. It does not mean that the white person wil have a
> greater vocabulary or will learn more if the two are given the same
> material to learn and the same amount time to learn it in.

Barring any other information, you CAN say that it will be more likely
that the White will perform better than the Black.  Of course, if you take
a "Black" genius, and a White mongoloid, you'll have the Black performing
better.  But, that's just another liberal obfuscation, comparing the best
Blacks with the worst Whites...

> You can use it
> to suggest the probability of certain outcomes if you have collected
> enough data on the groups involved, but it does not mean that you can
> predict the health or intelligence of two individuals. It also does not
> mean that those figures will stay the same over time. In case you haven't
> noticed, time is about change.

Les


--
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Intelligence vs. character
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It's really funny how the liberals (Steve Garza at the moment, but others
do it too) harp on "intelligence", like it's some commodity that is now
being served out to everyone in accord with rules and regulations set out
by the UN.  But what they seem to overlook, whether out of ignorance or
out of malice, is that intelligence, although a NECESSARY condition for
civilization, is not a SUFFICIENT condition for civilization.  Lots of other
personality traits, such as self-discipline, self-sacrifice, the ability
to postpone immediate self-gratification, and so on, are also necessary to
construct a civilization.  

Les

--
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Jun 15 16:20:54 PDT 1995
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Jeff Scott Franzmann (umfranzm@cc.umanitoba.ca) writes:
> Heh. I'd love to debate one of these racial supremacist folks in public, 
> but dammit, one of them just keeps ignoring the challenge. I've seen 
> Mr.Bagnall here, and anyone who has been around soc.culture.canada or any 
> of the Winnipeg newsgroups has seen him soundly and completely thrashed 
> regarding his theories, but dammit...he's not willing to debate in 
> person. 
> 
> If your theories are so sound, and you are secure in their truth, you 
> should be free and willing to put them up against the mountains of 
> scientific evidence arrayed against them. If you're right, you have 
> nothing to fear.

True enough.  But the reason could be that he just doesn't consider it
worthwhile to squabble with you over the latest "We are the world..."
scribblings.

Re:  your "mountains of scientific evidence".  Scientific evidence is made
up of more than screamy accusations of racism and half-baked
interpretations of data for the purposes of an agenda.

Les


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		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Jun 15 16:42:23 PDT 1995
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Steve  Garza (sgarza@csubak.edu) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>> > You don't know what is going on in the world, but you want the power to
>> > change it! You want to isolate yourself and your people from the rest of
>> > the world. You want to find a little enclave in Idaho for the white people
>> > to unite.
>> 
>> More of Steve telling me what we REALLY want.
> 
> Well you're right. Maybe that is not your goal, but I've seen
> documentaries on white supremacists here in the U.S. and that is one of
> the goals they envision.

BWAHAHAHA!!!  Are you next going to tell me that you saw our "agenda" on
the Jerry Springer show, so you know all about us?

Christ, I can't BELIEVE how gullible you are!  "Documentaries", indeed! 
Waittasec, I forgot whom I was talking to.  I CAN believe how gullible you
are.

>> > Then would you like to move to Central America or Africa as
>> > conquerors? You will still find the jungles infested with disease carrying
>> > mosquitoes. You will still find the hot sun roasting your crops and the
>> > wind blowing away your top soil. You will still find that your poor people
>> > can survive without having shelters. There is no super cold that kills
>> > those people in winter due to lack of shelter. You will still have poor
>> > people in the streets eking out a miserable existence. 
> 
> Excuse me Lester, but didn't Hitler say he only wanted a little more
> living space? Don't some white supremacists advocate being a "master
> race?" Just what does master race mean, Lester? It doesn't mean, the "best
> race" or the "most intelligent race." It implies dominance over others.
> Excuse me for not understanding the meaning of master, servant, and slave.
> Excuse me for assuming that you don't have the skills to repair the
> physical problems in the third world.
>
>> 
>> You're really going off the deep end, Steve.  Get help.
> 
> Thank you for being so concerned for my well being Lester.

Steve, you really are a bona fide whacko.  Just go off and bug someone
else with your crackpot theories about what us "Nazis" REALLY want.

Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Jun 15 16:42:25 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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The Sub-genius (laramary@eden.rutgers.edu) writes:
> bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Sylvie Charbonneau) writes:
> 
>>Derek Bell (dbell@maths.tcd.ie) writes:
>>> 	No, SubGenius doesn't try to avoid them or follow them; SubGenius
>>> *tolerates* them.
> 
>>Ah, tolerance.  I get it.  I should tolerate the fact that some people are
>>just weak-minded, weak-spirited, weak-willed, evil, criminal, etc...  Hell
>>Derek, why don't you invite a few ex-cons to live in your neighborhood
>>after their release?  Why don't you invite the Bloods and the Crips to set
>>up shop in your town?  After all, they're just misguided souls, and you
>>should tolerate them, right?  Aren't we all brothers under the skin
>>(snicker)?
> 
> 	No, sadly you don't get it.  I guess the alternative would be
> to gas them all.  Yeah, that's it.  If you're not a good citizen in the
> eyes of Sylvie, you aren't allowd to exist.  Step in to this little room
> and close the door behind you.

No, the alternative is NOT necessarily to gas them all.  There ARE other
methods of dealing with criminals, for one:  prisons.  We've also stated
quite clearly that we are for REPATRIATION.  But, like a textbook case
liberal, you've provided a PERFECT example of how liberals argue "It's not
A, so it must be B!"

Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Jun 15 16:42:27 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Liberal tactic #3!
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Dodging the question by resorting to emotional charges:

By this I'm refering to the standard liberal catch line of "You don't have
a clue!", or something like that.  Usually comes out when a liberal is
asked if he/she/it would be willing to pay the direct consequences of
his/her/its proposed course of action.  One hears it often when liberals
are asked how they'd feel about having just-paroled criminals living in
THEIR neighbourhoods, or Black ghettoes "built up" around them (well,
Black housing developments don't START OUT as ghettoes, but that's
inevitably how they end up).

Les

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Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Homo "love" (was: They were BORN that way!)
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"K. Tewson" (asharte@u.washington.edu) writes:
> On Tue, 13 Jun 1995, Les Griswold wrote:
> 
>> You have a pretty warped definition of "love", if you consider two
>> panty-waists mucking around in each others' poop-chutes to be "love".
> 
> No, that would be "anal sex."  Two men who are monogamous, who live 
> together, who care about each other -- that's love.  You're confusing 
> love and sex again.

Nope, just telling it like it is.  Or do faggots REALLY content themselves
with throwing longing glances across rooms, tender touching, and all the
rest?

>> > Whatever the definition, please tell me why it is just to separate two 
>> > people who believe that they are in love.
>> 
>> Nice dodge.
> 
> How is this a dodge?  I said, "It is unjust to separate two people who 
> are in love."  You said, "define love."  I did, and then remarked that 
> the definition was irrelevant to my original assertion.  You apparently 
> think that I have avoided answering a question which you have not even 
> asked.  So, riddle me this:
>
> 1.  How is it just to separate two people who believe that they are in love?

How is it just to degrade the word and concept of love to include homo
masturbation contests, leather parades, anonymous sex in parks, and all
the other glories of the queer culture?

> 2.  What is the question which you seem to think I'm "dodging?"

The question you are dodging (successfully, by throwing the word "love" in
to confuse the issue), is, how can you equate faggotry with straight love?

Les

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Subject: They were BORN that way! (was: Excrementum vincit cerebellum)
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"K. Tewson" (asharte@u.washington.edu) writes:
> On Tue, 13 Jun 1995, Les Griswold wrote:

>> > Tony Kushner?
>> 
>> Who's that?
> 
> A playwright.  He wrote _Angels in America_, which was just about the 
> most popular new play in years.  Won a whole bunch of awards.  I'm 
> surprised you never heard of it.  

Whoop-de-doo.  "Honours" that just anyone can win are not exactly my idea
of something desirable.

>> > Barney Frank?
>> 
>> You're defeating yourself here!
>> 
> Is he "decadent, slothful, and soft"?  No.  He's a highly successful 
> politician.

BWAHAHAHA!!!  I should think that you guys would steer away from including
politicians!

>> > Jodie Foster?
>> 
>> Does she know that you guys are claiming her as one of your own?
> 
> Who is "you guys" here?  And yes, I think she does. . . .

You guys = homo lobby.

If true, at least she's quiet about it, and isn't one of those abrasive
fags/dykes who has to keep reminding us about her bent sexual desires.

>> > Eleanor Roosovelt?
>> 
>> Same as for Barney Frank, you're not helping your argument!
> 
> Once again, a highly intelligent, successful woman. . .

Actually, she was FIRST LADY.  The WIFE of a president.

Also a communist sympathizer, a loud screechy harridan, thinking nothing
of jamming her nose into things that were none of her business.

>> > And the assertion that farmers are all het has GOT to be one of the more 
>> > bizarre things I've seen on the Net.  Cites, please?
>> 
>> And have you any evidence that they AREN'T?
>> 
> You made the assertion.  Burden of proof is therefore upon _you_.

Actually, I didn't.  You're confusing me with someone else.  I merely
snorted in laughter when I saw your suggestion that maybe farmers AREN'T
straight.

Les


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Jesus Christ a Jew?
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McKinstry (cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz) writes:
*sigh*

The Bible itself rather plainly states that J.C. WAS a jew.  Matthew 1,
1-17 covers J.C.'s genealogy rather plainly.  Luke 2:21 contains a rather
obvious reference to J.C getting circumcized at 8 days of age.

I'm no rocket scientist, but neither am I an illiterate goon who can't
read English.  Does the Bible say what it means, and mean what it says? 
If so, then J.C. WAS a jew, regardless of all the fancy footwork you
"J.C. wasn't a jew!" types engage in.  If not, and it's equivocating,
then where ELSE is it equivocating?

Les

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Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Jun 15 16:42:37 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Andy Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:

(snip)
 
>    But on the serious side, what would happen to any anthropologist today who
>    tried to study brain size from the point of view that favours heredity
>    over environment, and that differences in structure MUST mean difference
>    in function?  Don't know, or don't wanna answer?  I'll tell you:  look at
>    the shitstorm that was raised over the relatively tame _TBC_, and multiply
>    it several times.
>    
> Yes, there would be an adverse reaction, and the study would be subjected
> to the strictest possible scrutiny.

No, the study would be disallowed, and those trying to conduct it would be
treated like pariahs.

> How badly were the authors and
> publishers of The Bell Curve bloodied? They hit the bestseller list, and
> made millions. I'll stand up like a man and take that kind of punishment
> any day.

The fallout from _TBC_ isn't over yet.  Just watch publishers turn Murray
away like he has leprosy.  "Reputable" publishers won't touch him with a
10-foot pole (apparently, Murray has back-peddaled, coming out for
interracial adoptions{!}).
 
> "It is easy to avoid criticism. You must simply say nothing, do nothing,
> and be nothing." --Aristotle
> 
>    Just because something is old, doesn't mean it's wrong.
> 
> Just because something is old, doesn't mean that it's right.

Let's just keep bantering this back and forth, shall we?

>    Until it's been refuted scientifically, it stands (hint:  refutation
> consists of more than snarky remarks about "racism", and shouting it down).
>     
> We can only refute your sources when you provide them, which is a rare
> event, indeed. In this case, you did (will wonders never cease! First the
> Berlin Wall, now this). As I said, I won't be able to make it to the
> library--at least not one that'll have 61-year-old British medical
> journals--for a few days.

Any library that doesn't have 61-year-old British medical journals is
either a high-school library, or has been gone over with a fine-tooth comb
to remove any "inflammatory" materials.

Les


--
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Jun 15 16:42:44 PDT 1995
Article: 5015 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Geez, you guys are STUPID! (not to mention nosy!)
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Andy Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>    > and what realistic approaches should we take to correcting or minimizes 
>    > those problems.
>    
>    Repatriation of non-Whites.  Want me to spell it for you?
>    
> 1) Er...he said "realistic."

It is.  Certainly as realistic as the "let's throw our hands up and do
nothing!" approach.

> 2) Voluntary repatriation? Delta is ready...

Voluntary from whose point of view?  Anyway, quibbling over the meaning of
"voluntary" is kind of pointless when the consequences are death.
 
> 3) Yeah, it's about damn time we sent those damned asian scientists and
> engineers back where they came from. They might start dragging us into the
> 21st century or something, and we all know that that's the wrong
> direction...

And EVERY Asian here is a scientist and engineer, eh Raggedy?
 
> 4) What about people of mixed ancestry?

What about 'em?  Just because SOME people are of mixed ancestry, it does
not follow that ALL people are of mixed ancestry, which I know is the
point you're getting at.

(snip)
 
> And don't forget the sizeable contingent (majority, maybe) of the United
> States armed forces, regular and reserves, that are black, latino, jewish,
> or other non-white.

More of the liberal "majority = victory" bull.  A majority of will is a
hell of a lot more important than a majority of warm bodies.
 
(snip)

> I thought that the crux of your argument against blacks was that they were
> less intelligent. Evidently not, since intelligence now doesn't count. You
> make it perfectly clear that you'd rather keep the crack-addicted white
> housing project residents, and expel the black brain surgeons.

And there are just SO MANY white crack addicts, aren't there?  Conversely,
there are just SO MANY Black brain surgeons, aren't there?

Yet another liberal tactic:  not every single white has an impeccable
record, therefore they're ALL junkies and reprobates.  On the other hand,
a FEW Blacks have made something of themselves (with the White man's
help), so EVERY Black is superior.
 
(snip)

> Better yet, why don't you explain how you're going to engineer peaceful,
> voluntary repatriation? Otherwise, you're preraching a prescription for
> several holocausts.

Another example of the liberal "if it's not A, it must be B!"  Thank you
for illustrating my point so vividly.

Geez, with friends like you, liberals sure don't need enemies.

Les

--
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Jun 15 16:42:46 PDT 1995
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Subject: Intelligent crossbreeding?
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Steve  Garza (sgarza@csubak.edu) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>  Yes
>> > blacks have different rates of heart disease and cancer than whites. They
>> > probably also have  different emotional and intellectual rates. Yet that
>> > doens't mean they are all the same. It doesn't mean that genetic
>> > crossbreeding is bad.
>> 
>> Doesn't mean that it's good, either.  You're shooting yourself in the foot
>> with this transparent "it's not A, so it's B" simian logic.
> 
> Yes, it doesn't mean that it's good either. That's why intelligent
> crossbreeding is called for.

Which is something we don't have going on.  Rather, it's just held up to
be "cool" to miscegenate with anything that comes along.

Stevie, it sounds like you're suggesting that we can pick and choose our
genes when we mate.  We can't.  Our breeding is governed by the laws of
genetics; we MUST obey those laws, or pay the consequences.  Intelligent
breeding means working within those laws, not flagrantly violating them.

>> Barring any other information, you CAN say that it will be more likely
>> that the White will perform better than the Black.
> 
> Yep, that's what you might conclude if you read what I wrote below.
> But it's not just about comparing the best blacks with the worst whites.
> There are some blacks who compare with the best of the whites.

Yes, there is overlap.  However, there are damn few Blacks who can compare
with the better Whites (NONE who can compare with the best Whites).

Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Jun 15 16:42:50 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Elena Mills (emills@netcom.com) writes:

Sylvie: 
>> Gee, Elena, why don't you think for a moment, OK?  What is the main
>> religion of Arabs?  It's Islam.  
> 
> deleted: anti-Arab rant.

Why?  Because you had no answer to it?

> Gee, Sylvie - why don't you think for a moment? Numero uno: All Arabs
> aren't Muslim,

She never said that, Supremely Stupid One.  She said that the MAIN
religion of Arabs is Islam.

> and plenty of Aryans are. So give that one up.

Like Cat Stevens?

> You see,
> this is the problem with racism: It limits your thought processes to
> semi-moronic circles. I'm not going to argue about Islam, because
> I think it stinks, but hating Arabs as an entire race is really stupid.

No, you're not going to argue about Islam because it's an embarrassment to
you.
 
(snip)

>> Here's another newsflash (gawd, I should own my own tv station): did you
>> know that the vast majority of the original communists in Russia were
>> JEWISH?????  Even good ol' Marx himself was a Chosenite. 
> 
> Your point?
> 
> What the hell are you trying to say? You really aren't so stupid as to
> swallow all that shit about Jews running the world? That's pap for
> snivellers, not for strong minded women. Forget the Jews! They aren't
> important.

You anti-semite!:-)

Surely you realize that one is NEVER supposed to say ANYTHING derogatory
about jews.  You're supposed to greet any mention of jews with silence,
unless it is fulsome praise.

> They're so bollixed up over in their chosen corner of the
> world that even if you hate them, you surely have to see that they
> have almost nothing to do with the real powers in our world, western
> civilization.

Their corner of the world, which just so happens to be on top of the
largest oil reserve in the world, and right next to the Dead Sea, whose
mineral content has been estimated at being 5 TRILLION dollars in worth
(in 1974 dollars).  NOt to mention their constant antagonism of the Arabs
and the screwing up of our industries, who depend in large part, on Arab oil.
 
> If you're concerned about our survival, you'd be doing better to make
> sure that the public schools are robust and excellent, because there
> is a sea change occurring in our economy right now that is going to
> place all of us either at the top with the educated and talented or
> in the huge, enormous bottom of people who are unemployable.

'Nother news flash, Elena:  it's not WHAT you know, but WHO you know
(leastways, right now it is).
 
> Somehow, that's not really a society I want to live in; Like some
> heavily guarded senora in a third world country, relying upon locked
> gates and machine guns to keep the impoverished masses at bay.
> 
> If you think Jews are causing that, you are quite simply out of your
> mind. You are standing at the front door with your shotgun and your
> guard dog, squinting out into the yard looking for phantoms, while
> thieves of all races on the earth are streaming through your house
> via the back door, and you're too wrong-headed to see who's really
> giving you the shaft.

So who is it really, Elena?  The (snicker) "Nazis"?
 
> And I'm not even saying that any one group is behind the the whole of
> the disaster we're looking at; No racial group, socioeconomic group
> or political group is in charge. Everyone's adamantly engaged in one
> thing, and one thing only: Getting theirs - and if it means fucking over
> the earth and a few hundrend million people to do it, they simply don't
> care.
> 
> We don't care. But I care. How 'bout you?

Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Jun 15 16:42:52 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Thank you, liberals! (was: Excrementum vincit cerebellum)
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Elena Mills (emills@netcom.com) writes:
> Sylvie Charbonneau (bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:

(snip) 
>> Then why do ARA scum come to any meeting, concert or demonstration that
>> White racists organize and tell everyone within earshot to hate the
>> "Nazis"?  Why are racists constantly threatened with death, arson or
>> assault whenever they try to speak?  
> 
> Why do white racists threaten non-Aryans with death, arson or assault.
> Get a clue! They hate you because you hate them. Mutual, violent hate.

Translation:  SOME White Supremacists actually do these things. 
Therefore, it is all right to assume that they ALL do.
 
> Why do groups of nazi skins molest and vandalize the homes of black
> families who move to a neighberhood said skins don't want them in?
> Perhaps the ARA are just trying to give you a taste of what it's like.
> 
> Perhaps non-Aryans are tired of being intimidated by nazi skins, who
> threaten them through every media at their command,

BWAHAHAHA!!!

> and perhaps they
> are just as violent as you, and want to show you that. And don't forget,
> there are many, many more anti-racists, or at least anti racist-skins,
> then there are racist-skins.

Whose main interests are shooting up, screwing, and drinking.

(snip)
 
> I think that the activities that you white nationalists propose and
> sometimes engage in are potentially very harmful.

But, since you "know" what we REALLY mean, and never want to HEAR what we
have to say, your notions are a little, shall we say, preconceived. (well,
that and from the Jerry Springer show).

Les

BTW, your messages are even longer than James White's.  Could you do
something about it?

--
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Jun 17 05:09:10 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: Geogroaphy and race
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Brian Bagnall (umbagna0@cc.umanitoba.ca) writes:
> atticus@mindspring.com (Andy Walton) wrote:
> 
>>When you argue that a master race is destined to rule the Earthm the
>>identity of that race is hardly a peripheral issue, Les. So far, the only
>>consistent definition of the White race that you've offered is that you're
>>in it.
> 
> See, Andy, you did it again.  Les did not argue that a master
> race would rule the earth.  Your misconceptions make you think
> that logical people with certain beliefs are EVIL.  In fact they just
> look past media propeganda and search out the truth using facts
> untainted by politics.  You should try it some time.

I don't think it is really profitable to attempt to point out to liberals
their faulty constructs, on the Net or anywhere else.  They are intent
only on telling us (and anyone else unfortunate enough to hear them) what
we REALLY mean, and to hell with any refutations.

Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Jun 17 05:09:13 PDT 1995
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Jeff Scott Franzmann (umfranzm@cc.umanitoba.ca) writes:
> In article  bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
> 
>>True enough.  But the reason could be that he just doesn't consider it
>>worthwhile to squabble with you over the latest "We are the world..."
>>scribblings.
> 
> Somehow I doubt it. My 'scribblings' are hardly 'We are the world'. You 
> see, the problem here is Bagnall can't provide a single source for any of 
> his 'facts' beyond the 'Bell Curve'. And the 'Bell Curve' is not science. 

That's profound.  But, I have a couple of questions:

1)  Because _TBC_ is "not science", does that make it WRONG?

2)  Because it doesn't use all sorts of long words (ie, it's readable),
it's "not science"?

BTW, WHO has stated that _TBC_ is THE definitive tome that PROVES racial
theories correct beyond the shadow of a doubt, and that anyone who can't
see the light revealed in _TBC_ is a heretic and a backslider?

> Any scientist knows that one does not try to 'prove' a theory correct, as 
> they attempt to do in the Bell Curve. One tries to disprove a theory, and 
> if one cannot do that, one accepts whatever datum remains until it CAN be 
> disproved. there is no such thing as a 'Truth' in science, only a 
> probable truth. And the simple fact of the matter is that there are so 
> many different ways to disprove the theories put forward in the Bell 
> Curve, that calling it science is reserved for those who have no real 
> ability to conduct real research.

Science is not the be-all and end-all of human existence.  "Science for
the sake of science" does not advance the human condition one bit, nor
does science for the sake of propaganda.

Les
 


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Andy Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>    It's really funny how the liberals (Steve Garza at the moment, but others
>    do it too) harp on "intelligence", like it's some commodity that is now
>    being served out to everyone in accord with rules and regulations set out
>    by the UN.  But what they seem to overlook, whether out of ignorance or
>    out of malice, is that intelligence, although a NECESSARY condition for
>    civilization, is not a SUFFICIENT condition for civilization.  Lots of other
>    personality traits, such as self-discipline, self-sacrifice, the ability
>    to postpone immediate self-gratification, and so on, are also necessary to
>    construct a civilization.  
>    
> It's really funny how Les shifts gears when he fails to prove his
> premise--to wit, that blacks are inherently less intelligent than whites.
> A few months ago, The Bell Curve was a divine revelation, and IQ was the
> lone yardstick of human worth. Now, intelligence is not that important,
> after all.

Excuse me, Raggedy?  When did I ever say that _The Bell Curve_ was
anything?  Did I ever refer to _TBC_, except as an example of what "that
type" of anthropologist goes through when he speaks out about racial
differences?

Les



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Lane Singer (lsd@ix.netcom.com) writes:
> In  bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les
> Griswold) writes: 

(snip)

>>However, what scientific advancements have made earlier 
>>observations about racial differences null and void?  The 
>>Britannica and physical anthropologists have never provided any 
>>new information to contradict the old, they have simply dropped 
>>the topic entirely.
> 
>  Yes, it's Les alright ...
> 
> A: The E.Britannica is not, and never has been a fundamental 
> source for scientific information. 

Oh.  I'm sure that all those liberal One-Worlders who use it to refute us
racists will be shattered.

Perhaps the EB ISN'T a "fundamental source for scientific information",
but physical anthropologists ARE.

> B: "anthropologists have never provided any new information to
> contradict the old [re early 'observations' on 'racial differences']"
> is an absolutely FALSE statement. In fact, it's a bald-faced LIE.

The political proselytizing of ideologues such as Stephen J. Gould, Franz
Boas, Ashley Montagu, and Margaret Mead are not "science", they are fantasies.

> I have posted more than once the definitive statements
> made by prominent members of the academic community in the fields
> of anthropology and molecular genetics wherein they state,
> unequivocally, that not only are the antiquated notions of "race"
> null and void in light of recent scientific knowledge, but that
> this recent knowledge renders our early misinformation (which you
> quote from a 1945 encyclopedia) also completely null and void. Do
> you get this? 

Sure, Lane...

> Are you able to even comprehend the fact that the Out Of Africa
> model of human evolution has demolished the polygenic model upon 
> which your old, dinosaurish views of racialization rest?

And are you aware that the Out of Africa model is, by and large, disproven?
 
(snip)
 
> And it is science that will continue to be your undoing. You will
> have to spend the rest of your pointless life denying reality
> and invoking hallucinogenic conspiracy theories that are nothing 
> more than the ravings of a lost and paranoid soul. 

Geez, Lane, I can't decide if you sound more like a Starvation Army type,
or a Shirley Maclaine New-Ager.

Les


--
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Jun 17 05:24:47 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: Skin colour...
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Fragano Ledgister (fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Michael N. Rusignuolo (damone@ios.com) writes:
 
(snip)
 
> : The ANC's monopoly of power is not democratic; it's "give us power or else!"
> 
> The ANC has no monopoly of power (and one party controlling the
> government is not undemocratic, it happens all the time),

Non sequitur.  "It happens all the time" is not proof at all of "democracy".

> it heads a
> coalition consisting of itself, the National Party and Inkatha. One
> of the two vice-presidents (Frederik Willem de Klerk) is a member of
> the National Party, several ministers are members of the National
> Party, and two ministers are members of Inkatha.

F.W. deKlerk also has a Black wife.  Membership in the National Party is
not proof positive of concern for the White race, nor is it proof of the
"democratic" construction of the government of South Africa.

Les


--
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Jun 17 16:52:21 PDT 1995
Article: 5091 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Intelligence vs. character
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Andy Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>    It's really funny how the liberals (Steve Garza at the moment, but others
>    do it too) harp on "intelligence", like it's some commodity that is now
>    being served out to everyone in accord with rules and regulations set out
>    by the UN.  But what they seem to overlook, whether out of ignorance or
>    out of malice, is that intelligence, although a NECESSARY condition for
>    civilization, is not a SUFFICIENT condition for civilization.  Lots of other
>    personality traits, such as self-discipline, self-sacrifice, the ability
>    to postpone immediate self-gratification, and so on, are also necessary to
>    construct a civilization.  
>    
> It's really funny how Les shifts gears when he fails to prove his
> premise--to wit, that blacks are inherently less intelligent than whites.
> A few months ago, The Bell Curve was a divine revelation, and IQ was the
> lone yardstick of human worth. Now, intelligence is not that important,
> after all.

Excuse me, Raggedy?  When did I ever say that _The Bell Curve_ was
anything?  Did I ever refer to _TBC_, except as an example of what "that
type" of anthropologist goes through when he speaks out about racial
differences?

Les



--
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Jun 17 16:52:27 PDT 1995
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Lane Singer (lsd@ix.netcom.com) writes:
> In  bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les
> Griswold) writes: 

(snip)

>>However, what scientific advancements have made earlier 
>>observations about racial differences null and void?  The 
>>Britannica and physical anthropologists have never provided any 
>>new information to contradict the old, they have simply dropped 
>>the topic entirely.
> 
>  Yes, it's Les alright ...
> 
> A: The E.Britannica is not, and never has been a fundamental 
> source for scientific information. 

Oh.  I'm sure that all those liberal One-Worlders who use it to refute us
racists will be shattered.

Perhaps the EB ISN'T a "fundamental source for scientific information",
but physical anthropologists ARE.

> B: "anthropologists have never provided any new information to
> contradict the old [re early 'observations' on 'racial differences']"
> is an absolutely FALSE statement. In fact, it's a bald-faced LIE.

The political proselytizing of ideologues such as Stephen J. Gould, Franz
Boas, Ashley Montagu, and Margaret Mead are not "science", they are fantasies.

> I have posted more than once the definitive statements
> made by prominent members of the academic community in the fields
> of anthropology and molecular genetics wherein they state,
> unequivocally, that not only are the antiquated notions of "race"
> null and void in light of recent scientific knowledge, but that
> this recent knowledge renders our early misinformation (which you
> quote from a 1945 encyclopedia) also completely null and void. Do
> you get this? 

Sure, Lane...

> Are you able to even comprehend the fact that the Out Of Africa
> model of human evolution has demolished the polygenic model upon 
> which your old, dinosaurish views of racialization rest?

And are you aware that the Out of Africa model is, by and large, disproven?
 
(snip)
 
> And it is science that will continue to be your undoing. You will
> have to spend the rest of your pointless life denying reality
> and invoking hallucinogenic conspiracy theories that are nothing 
> more than the ravings of a lost and paranoid soul. 

Geez, Lane, I can't decide if you sound more like a Starvation Army type,
or a Shirley Maclaine New-Ager.

Les


--
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Jun 17 16:52:29 PDT 1995
Article: 5113 of alt.politics.white-power
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Fragano Ledgister (fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Michael N. Rusignuolo (damone@ios.com) writes:
 
(snip)
 
> : The ANC's monopoly of power is not democratic; it's "give us power or else!"
> 
> The ANC has no monopoly of power (and one party controlling the
> government is not undemocratic, it happens all the time),

Non sequitur.  "It happens all the time" is not proof at all of "democracy".

> it heads a
> coalition consisting of itself, the National Party and Inkatha. One
> of the two vice-presidents (Frederik Willem de Klerk) is a member of
> the National Party, several ministers are members of the National
> Party, and two ministers are members of Inkatha.

F.W. deKlerk also has a Black wife.  Membership in the National Party is
not proof positive of concern for the White race, nor is it proof of the
"democratic" construction of the government of South Africa.

Les


--
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Jun 17 16:52:38 PDT 1995
Article: 5130 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: What *incredible* intellect! (was pet nazis)
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Chris Faatz (cfaatz@teleport.com) writes:
> Hi, Les. Gosh, I thought you'd dismissed me completely!

*sigh*  I wish it were that easy... just wave my magic wand, and you guys
would disappear...

(snip)
 
> How has your opinion of Christianity changed? I know Dr Oliver was an early
> member of the John Birch Society, and moved right. And I know the piece that
> I've read (which you know my opinion of). Are you a Christian, Les? An
> Odinist? Something else? An Identity Christian?

Chris!  Surely you realize that it's not polite to discuss religion!:-) 
Especially after you called me those names in another message (that
"coward" really stung!)

> : > I'll tell you Les, I prefer the Liberations Theologians of Central and 
> : > South America, of Africa, and of Asia to the authoritarian, hierarchical, 
> : > or end-times theologians who only serve to perpetuate the old order.

That's right.  Change for the sake of change is SO much better, no?  And
that stuffy "old order" - better replace it with that "New World Order".

(snip)
 
> Les, dear--point to *one* response to one of my posts--other than the one
> where you say something to the effect of, "okay, I'm a white racist" and
> launch into a diatribe about what that clearly means to me without having
> a clue what I'm thinking--where you've given me anything like clear
> information.
> 
> "Give to everyone who asks of you. And from him who takes away your goods
> do not ask them back." Luke 6:30

I do believe that Jesus was talking about material goods, not laying one's
sould bare for minute inspection.  Or am I wrong?  Did Jesus mean that we
should open ourselves up for complete inspection by anyone who asks?
 
> I'm asking, Les, for your "good news." Are you sharing it?

Nope.  I'm a selfish bastard, ain't I?

> Why is Colin so much more willing to hold a civil discourse than you seem to 
> be?

Must be genetics!:-)

(snip)
 
> : BWAHAHAHA!!!  Chris, you'd better iron out your insults with your buddies,
> : most of whom seem to think that we ARE jackboot-wearing, goosestepping
> : Hitler youth.
> 
> Les, frankly I've never figured out whether "BWAHAHAHA!!!" was meant to mean
> laughter or hysterical tears.

Hysterical laughter.
 
> I don't stand on a party line, Les. I speak for myself. I don't have to iron
> anything out with anyone.

Admirable, I guess.  But every single liberal I've ever spoken to comes
out with the "Nazi, fascist" slur within minutes, so now I respond with
"Yeah.  So what's your point?  Define those terms, and WHY they're so bad."
 
Les


--
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Jun 17 17:25:37 PDT 1995
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Fragano Ledgister (fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Michael N. Rusignuolo (damone@ios.com) writes:
 
(snip)
 
> : The ANC's monopoly of power is not democratic; it's "give us power or else!"
> 
> The ANC has no monopoly of power (and one party controlling the
> government is not undemocratic, it happens all the time),

Non sequitur.  "It happens all the time" is not proof at all of "democracy".

> it heads a
> coalition consisting of itself, the National Party and Inkatha. One
> of the two vice-presidents (Frederik Willem de Klerk) is a member of
> the National Party, several ministers are members of the National
> Party, and two ministers are members of Inkatha.

F.W. deKlerk also has a Black wife.  Membership in the National Party is
not proof positive of concern for the White race, nor is it proof of the
"democratic" construction of the government of South Africa.

Les


--
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Jun 17 17:25:39 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Walt Disney... (was: Colors Of The Wind)
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Matthew L Miller (libmlm@larry.cc.emory.edu) writes:
> Cat71 (cat71@aol.com) wrote:
> : This "poem" is trite and hackneyed, and from a goddamn Disney movie which
> : hasnt even opened yet. 
> 
> It's also quite ironic that someone would use anything even remotely 
> related to Disney in support of left-leaning, pluralistic-type ideas.  
> Walt Disney was extremely conservative politically, being one of the most 
> well-known participants in the Hollywood purges of those suspected of 
> having communist or socialist tendencies. May he spend eternity in 
> tormenting hellfire.

Yes, Disney Studios is MUCH better now under Michael D. Eisner.

Les

--
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Jun 17 21:15:56 PDT 1995
Article: 5106 of alt.politics.white-power
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Subject: Re: Miscegenation and the fall of civilization
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Lane Singer (lsd@ix.netcom.com) writes:
> In  bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les
> Griswold) writes: 

(snip)

>>However, what scientific advancements have made earlier 
>>observations about racial differences null and void?  The 
>>Britannica and physical anthropologists have never provided any 
>>new information to contradict the old, they have simply dropped 
>>the topic entirely.
> 
>  Yes, it's Les alright ...
> 
> A: The E.Britannica is not, and never has been a fundamental 
> source for scientific information. 

Oh.  I'm sure that all those liberal One-Worlders who use it to refute us
racists will be shattered.

Perhaps the EB ISN'T a "fundamental source for scientific information",
but physical anthropologists ARE.

> B: "anthropologists have never provided any new information to
> contradict the old [re early 'observations' on 'racial differences']"
> is an absolutely FALSE statement. In fact, it's a bald-faced LIE.

The political proselytizing of ideologues such as Stephen J. Gould, Franz
Boas, Ashley Montagu, and Margaret Mead are not "science", they are fantasies.

> I have posted more than once the definitive statements
> made by prominent members of the academic community in the fields
> of anthropology and molecular genetics wherein they state,
> unequivocally, that not only are the antiquated notions of "race"
> null and void in light of recent scientific knowledge, but that
> this recent knowledge renders our early misinformation (which you
> quote from a 1945 encyclopedia) also completely null and void. Do
> you get this? 

Sure, Lane...

> Are you able to even comprehend the fact that the Out Of Africa
> model of human evolution has demolished the polygenic model upon 
> which your old, dinosaurish views of racialization rest?

And are you aware that the Out of Africa model is, by and large, disproven?
 
(snip)
 
> And it is science that will continue to be your undoing. You will
> have to spend the rest of your pointless life denying reality
> and invoking hallucinogenic conspiracy theories that are nothing 
> more than the ravings of a lost and paranoid soul. 

Geez, Lane, I can't decide if you sound more like a Starvation Army type,
or a Shirley Maclaine New-Ager.

Les


--
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


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Subject: Helping Steve out?  Outta the NG, maybe (was: let's help steve out!)
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David Padgett (davidp@scsn.net) writes:
> folks:
> 	steve garza has gotten a two week extension on his account from his
> university, where i guess he just graduated from if he passed his
> exams--he hasn't said, but i'm hoping steve passed.
> 	anyway, steve's account is going to be yanked in two weeks, and since
> he can't afford the ten bucks a month for an account, i'm proposing
> that we all chip in pay for steve an account until he can get on his
> feet and pay his own freight.
> 	even if he is a lib, i believe us wp people should chip in because
> steve is about the only interesting lib--other than sub--that we've
> got on this ng.  there is variety in steve's posts--he writes about
> his personal experiences and doesn't just continually spout the
> liberal drivel.
> 	we like steve, and he must like us and trust us considering he comes
> to us for advice about his personal problems.
> 	let's get up a fund and pay for an account for steve.

Why?  Liberals come and go.  Getting attached to one because he/she/it
occaisionally says something clever is silly.  Press any liberal, and they
all come out with the same One Worlder garbage.

Anyway, don't worry, there'll be plenty of liberals to take Stevie's place
once he's gone.

Les


--
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Jun 18 04:49:51 PDT 1995
Article: 5163 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Geogroaphy and race
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Brian Bagnall (umbagna0@cc.umanitoba.ca) writes:
> atticus@mindspring.com (Andy Walton) wrote:
> 
>>Re:  your "mountains of scientific evidence".  Scientific evidence is made
>>up of more than screamy accusations of Jew domination and half-baked
>>interpretations of data for the purposes of an agenda.
> 
> I never heard Griswold say anything about that.  More
> lies and misrepresentations?

As usual.  Do you really need to ask if a liberal goes running like a feeb
when he/she/it "thinks" that he/she/it has scored a major coup?

Because I answered someone's query on alt.skinheads about media control,
that makes me a firm believer in jewish control conspiracies.

Les


--
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Jun 18 05:18:39 PDT 1995
Article: 5785 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Geogroaphy and race
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Brian Bagnall (umbagna0@cc.umanitoba.ca) writes:
> atticus@mindspring.com (Andy Walton) wrote:
> 
>>Re:  your "mountains of scientific evidence".  Scientific evidence is made
>>up of more than screamy accusations of Jew domination and half-baked
>>interpretations of data for the purposes of an agenda.
> 
> I never heard Griswold say anything about that.  More
> lies and misrepresentations?

As usual.  Do you really need to ask if a liberal goes running like a feeb
when he/she/it "thinks" that he/she/it has scored a major coup?

Because I answered someone's query on alt.skinheads about media control,
that makes me a firm believer in jewish control conspiracies.

Les


--
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Jun 18 16:57:53 PDT 1995
Article: 5797 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Geogroaphy and race
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Jeff Scott Franzmann (umfranzm@cc.umanitoba.ca) writes:

(snip)
 
> No, it's not. However, why is it that racial supremacists, eugencists and 
> racists in general try so hard to force 'science' to fit their theories, 
> and when they get handed their heads in a debate, they come up with 
> statements like,"Oh, it's just science for the sake of propaganda" or 
> "Science is not all that important". It's amusing.

Because science is the only thing you turkeys seem to care about, never
mind personal experience ("anecdotal evidence", liberals sneer, then
dismiss it with the wave of a hand) or observation of real life.  What's
amusing is to watch the convoluted twistings and turnings that liberals
will go through to a) prove us wrong, and b) prove that whatever source
was REALLY saying what THEY are saying, if they don't dismiss it as "nazi
propaganda" in the first place.

Les


--
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Jun 18 16:57:56 PDT 1995
Article: 5798 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Incest and polygyny
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Sarah A De Forest (medusa+@pitt.edu) writes:

(snip)
 
> I never intended to post to this ng, but I am positively astounded that 
> anyone who bases certain of his philosophies on genetics could be so 
> pitifully ignorant without having had anyone step in & correct him yet.  

Typical liberal opener:  "I never intended to post here, but...".

Not to worry, Sarah, a LOT of liberals are big-headed enough to think that
they can "disprove" me, usually under the guise of "helping" me.  Gee,
they're so loving...(must be a genetic trait).

> However since most of you people are of superior stock, I am sure that 
> a little lesson in college genetics will set you straight.  Downe's 
> Syndrome is not hereditary; ie does not come from a "gene" for Downe's 
> Syndrome.  This syndrome is caused by an error during the process of 
> meiosis, during which the gametes are produced (that's eggs and sperm,
> my sophisticated brethren).  Instead of separating properly so that 
> exactly half a set of chromosomes is in each egg or sperm, one
> chromosome appears twice, so that when egg & sperm combine to form a 
> full set, one chromosome appears in triplicate (this is called trisomy).
> This is the cause of Downe's Syndrome.   

Then I stand corrected.  However, there ARE other diseases that ARE
genetic, and aren't created out of thin air.  Inbreeding won't cause them
to suddenly appear if the genes aren't there in the first place (unless,
as I already said, there's a mutation).

> There is a rare form of inheritable Downe's Syndrome, in which all of a
> female's cells & eggs contain this abberration, but it accounts for less
> than 1% of Downe's cases.

What was your point in including this?  That 99% of Downe's Syndrome cases
are therefore "acceptable"?

Les


--
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Jun 18 23:02:57 PDT 1995
Article: 5173 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: "This is a Negro-free workplace!" (was: Excrementum vincit
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cerebellum) 
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Elena Mills (emills@netcom.com) writes:

(snip)

>> Their (ie, Israel's) corner of the world, which just so happens to be on
>> top of the largest oil reserve in the world, and right next to the Dead Sea,
>> whose mineral content has been estimated at being 5 TRILLION dollars in worth
>> (in 1974 dollars).  NOt to mention their constant antagonism of the Arabs
>> and the screwing up of our industries, who depend in large part, 
>> on Arab oil.
> 
> Last I looked, Israel wasn't on top of any oil.

Typical liberal response:  "I don't see it, so it's not true!"

> If they're so much in control, why is that?

Um, because they are masters of deception?  Or are you talking about
Israel, which has in the past, and can in the future, get the U.S. to do
its fighting for it (like against Iraq).
 
>> > If you're concerned about our survival, you'd be doing better to make
>> > sure that the public schools are robust and excellent, because there
>> > is a sea change occurring in our economy right now that is going to
>> > place all of us either at the top with the educated and talented or
>> > in the huge, enormous bottom of people who are unemployable.
>> 
>> 'Nother news flash, Elena:  it's not WHAT you know, but WHO you know
>> (leastways, right now it is).
> 
> That's a complete bullshit excuse. It's so far from true I
> can't believe it. In fact, right now it's not WHAT you know
> but WHAT color your skin is. Any educated white guy who isn't 
> a complete social disaster can go out and get a job easy. I
> don't know about you, but around where I work there are so
> few blacks it's a scandal.

1)  Like that's my fault, or the fault of us White guys?  Maybe the Blacks
are a) stupid, or b) not interested in that kind of work.

2)  You obviously think that a Negro-free workplace is a "scandal".  It isn't.
 
(snip)

>> > And I'm not even saying that any one group is behind the the whole of
>> > the disaster we're looking at; No racial group, socioeconomic group
>> > or political group is in charge. Everyone's adamantly engaged in one
>> > thing, and one thing only: Getting theirs - and if it means fucking over
>> > the earth and a few hundrend million people to do it, they simply don't
>> > care.

Everyone, that is, except the jews.  Oh, and the liberals, right?

Les


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Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Jun 18 23:03:05 PDT 1995
Article: 5192 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Miscegenation, and nothing but!
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Ivan Ordonez Reinoso (iordonez@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu) writes:
> In article ,
> Tom Lathrop  wrote:
> 
>>First of all, the fact that *some* members for the scientific community
>>do not consider the concept of "race" to be useful in classifying human
>>difference does *not* mean there are no differences.  Even if there
>>were "no such thing as race", Africans would still be darker skinned
>>and curlier haired than Europeans.  These differences are genetic, and
>>they will still exist whatever the outcome of the debate.  And likewise
>>no matter what the outcome of the debate it will not rule out the
>>possibility of *other* genetic differences, including differences in
>>intelligence.  I've pointed this out to you again and again, but you
>>just don't get it.  "Race" is a word we use to describe human
>>difference; redefining or eliminating the word does not make human
>>differences go away.
> 
> I don't understand people like you. Of course there are difference; the
> point is: do they matter?

EXCUSE ME?!?  "Do they matter?"  Where have you been the last, say,
century and a half?

> Let us forget for a moment the TBC is bunk; let us
> pretend that in fact, in average, people with lighter skin are more
> intelligent than people with dark skin, and that this difference has genetic
> origin; then, so what?? who the hell cares? First of all, this difference
> would be negligible: people with dark skin are certainly not retarded in
> average. Second, who cares about averages? We relate to individuals, not to
> averages. Would you refuse having children with a black woman you love, even
> if she is very bright, only because you believe whites are smarter than
> blacks? People tend to choose similar people to mate: stupid people marry
> stupid people, and smart people mary smart people.

Because there is more to civilization than just intelligence.  There is
character, physical adptation, etc...

> I join the group of people who wonder why you make such a fuss about those
> mythical diffferences in intellect. They would be unimportant even if they
> were real.

EXCUSE ME again?!?  Ever seen Haiti?  Somalia?  Any African country that
is "run" by Blacks?  Trying to tell me that there is no important
difference between the squalor of Black-run countries and the typical
White country?

> And racism would still be unjustified.

Really...

Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Jun 18 23:22:45 PDT 1995
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The Avacado Avenger (srm12@ksu.ksu.edu) writes:
> sgarza@csubak.edu (Steve  Garza) writes:
> 
>>In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
>>(Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>> 
>>> F.W. Vint, in 1934, conducted studies on Kenyan brains, and found that
>>> White brains are, on the average, 15% thicker in the supragranular layer
>>> of the cortex.  The _British Medical Journal_, March 1932, published the
>>> following findings of Dr. James H. Sequeira:
>>> 
>>> Brain volumes:
>>> 
>>> Caucasoid:      1380 grams
>>> East African:   1280 grams
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> 
>   Erm, uh... well.  Where are all the studies about how brain SIZE has no
> correlation whatsoever to intelligence?

Did you read the first part of my message, where I mentioned Dr. F.W.
Vint's study about the thickness of the supragranular layer?  Didn't think so.

Interesting point you bring up, though:  the FISSURING of the brain makes
as much difference in intelligence as gross size.  That's because in the
fissures, much more brain surface can be concealed.  To get a real picture
of the size of the brain, you'd have to take it out and spread it on a
newspaper.

As for more recent dates, sure:  try Dr. Marcelle Geber in _The Lancet_,
June 15, 1957.

> You know, Cro-Magnon peoples had
> HUGE brains, I mean really really big, and they were dumb as spit.

Were they really?

> Of
> course, if you ignore the entire evolution thing and fall to the side of
> creationism, there are plenty of tests to show just how pointless it is to
> be concerned with brain size in modern-day humans.

But I don't.

Les


--
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Jun 18 23:36:40 PDT 1995
Article: 16643 of alt.skinheads
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SSinger30 (ssinger30@aol.com) writes:
> These are FALSE CHARGES designed to give Jewish people a 'bad rap.'
> And...if it did happened, SO WHAT??? How many Catholic priests have been
> involved with the abuse of young children? 

Typical liberal defence of minorities, usually Blacks:  "Whites are just as
bad as Blacks/jews/Asians, so there!"

Well, Zippy, has it ever occured to you that there are those of us who are
NEITHER jewish NOR Catholic?  Big stretch, I know, but hey.

Les

--
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Jun 18 23:36:41 PDT 1995
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Subject: You're right, Jennifer:  we're jealous!
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Jennifer D. Stoner (jstoner@orion.it.luc.edu) writes:

(snip)
 
> whatever.......
> 100% blond hair blue eyed german and damn proud of it...
> you're just jealous...

Of what?  Your unparalleled ability to post third-rate poetry that
supposedly "says" something?

Les


--
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Jun 19 07:08:21 PDT 1995
Article: 5808 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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MStaloff (mstaloff@aol.com) writes:
> Colin,
>    Regarding the Romans, you missed my original post on the subject.  The
> Romans had a habit of destroying entire cities and deporting the
> populations as slaves to various points of the Empire, where they were
> often (forcibly) mixed with the locals.  This happened to SEMITIC Carthage
> (built by Phoenicians), as well as other African cities which may or may
> not have been black but were still not white.  Also, like any army, the
> Roman Army left behind a trail of bastards of uncertain heritage wherever
> they went.  I never questioned that the original Latins were
> Indo-European, it's what happened afterward that changed the mix.  And
> besides, you still have hordes of Asians coming in, long after the Roman
> Empire was reduced to the Byzantine Empire.  If these tribes had their own
> conception of purity, then why do Hungarians look the way they do?

And how do Hungarians "look"?

I remember a big shitfit when I alleged that Tanya Harding didn't "look"
White, but now you can say that about the Hungarians?

> There was a lot of mixing going on, and any old-style wars accompanied by
> mass-rape.  I don't think the Huns abstained from rapine when they
> conquered a city because they believed in "racial purity." :)
>    ANd how on Earth do you know what your ancestors were doing 2,000 years
> ago?  Really, I don't see how you can be so certain.  Unless you're a
> Maori or Icelandic or something like that.

And how on earth do YOU know what anyone else's ancestors were doing 2,000
years ago?  Why are you so caught up in this "the ancients miscegenated,
they just did, all right!"?

Les


--
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
		- Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_


From bzs@world.std.com Mon Jun 19 15:40:02 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
>So, a jew was responsible for the "holocaust"?
>
>(this ALWAYS cracks me up!)

Jews are responsible for everything in history, Les. You should have
figured this out by now; christianity, communism, democracy,
capitalism, the world banking system, the media, nazism, you name it
they did it.

As a matter of fact, I suppose it's time you knew, *next* father's day
send that card here.


-- 
        -Barry Shein

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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Jun 20 06:23:06 PDT 1995
Article: 22335 of alt.revisionism
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Jewish culpability (was: a whole lot of other things)
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Barry Shein (bzs@world.std.com) writes:
> From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
>>So, a jew was responsible for the "holocaust"?
>>
>>(this ALWAYS cracks me up!)
> 
> Jews are responsible for everything in history, Les. You should have
> figured this out by now; christianity, communism, democracy,
> capitalism, the world banking system, the media, nazism, you name it
> they did it.

Well, you know how the old saying goes:  You can better control the
opposition by BECOMING the opposition.
 
> As a matter of fact, I suppose it's time you knew, *next* father's day
> send that card here.

I always thought you were a MOTHER.

Les
--
It is not permissible to approach with half measures or even with
hesitation a task whose execution seems possible only by the harnessing of
the very last possible ounce of energy.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bzs@world.std.com Tue Jun 20 06:23:16 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
>Barry Shein (bzs@world.std.com) writes:
>> From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
>> As a matter of fact, I suppose it's time you knew, *next* father's day
>> send that card here.
>
>I always thought you were a MOTHER.

Nah, you ALWAYS know who the MOTHER is, Les.

-- 
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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Jun 20 06:54:52 PDT 1995
Article: 5823 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Kosher tacks... (was: Geogroaphy and race)
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Murray Rennie (murray) writes:
> Then you obviously haven't been reading alt.revisionism, Brian.
> 
> Ask Les about the "Kosher Tax conspiracy" he and his wife cooked up...

Oh, we didn't cook it up, Murray.  It's there whether we point it out or not.

Les
 


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the very last possible ounce of energy.
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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Jun 20 06:54:54 PDT 1995
Article: 5824 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Miscegenation and the fall of civilization
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MStaloff (mstaloff@aol.com) writes:
> Colin,
>    I've never heard of Jennie Churchill's being a convert to Christianity,
> and given the hostility shown by the British upper classes toward Jews I'd
> be surprised if one would be welcomed into their ranks - Disraeli, a
> convert, never reached the heights of the Churchills.

Pardon me?  Disraeli was PM under Queen Victoria, and knighted Lord
Beaconsfield to boot.  Winnie was PM under George VI, and knighted, too. 
Are you REALLY so wrapped up in charging the British upper classes with
"anti-semitism" that you'll make such damn-fool statements?

(snip)

>    The numbers thing dates back to April - Les claimed that mathematics
> were the exclusive creation of the "white" race, and I pointed out that
> our *numerals* come from India.  I've met Indian Aryans, from N. India,
> and they're extremely dark-skinned.  One I talked to prides himself on his
> Aryan ancestry, but if you judge by skin color (Les says he doesn't) you
> wouldn't know him from a Dravidian. In any case, he's a hell of a lot less
> white than I am.

Bull.  I said that the Indian caste system goes by many factors, but the
two biggies are skin colour (the darker the skin, the lower the caste) and
breadth of the nose (the wider the nose, the more Dravidian, and hence the
lower the caste).  Anyway, why are you reverting to the "Populations today
are EXACTLY the same as the original populations!" argument?  Then again,
considering that you're an AshkeNAZI, it's not all that surprising.

Les


--
It is not permissible to approach with half measures or even with
hesitation a task whose execution seems possible only by the harnessing of
the very last possible ounce of energy.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Jun 20 06:54:56 PDT 1995
Article: 5825 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Jewish culpability (was: a whole lot of other things)
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Barry Shein (bzs@world.std.com) writes:
> From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
>>So, a jew was responsible for the "holocaust"?
>>
>>(this ALWAYS cracks me up!)
> 
> Jews are responsible for everything in history, Les. You should have
> figured this out by now; christianity, communism, democracy,
> capitalism, the world banking system, the media, nazism, you name it
> they did it.

Well, you know how the old saying goes:  You can better control the
opposition by BECOMING the opposition.
 
> As a matter of fact, I suppose it's time you knew, *next* father's day
> send that card here.

I always thought you were a MOTHER.

Les

--
It is not permissible to approach with half measures or even with
hesitation a task whose execution seems possible only by the harnessing of
the very last possible ounce of energy.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Jun 20 06:54:59 PDT 1995
Article: 5826 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Markie the armchair general
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Anthony E. Sterrett (sterrett@nosc.mil) writes:
> In article  bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
>>Lane Singer (lsd@ix.netcom.com) writes:
>>
>>(snip)
>> 
>>> Do not imagine that the USSR was driven by Jews. A Jewish
>>> presence in the early communist party was both small and quickly
>>> eliminated.
>>
>>Sorry, Lane, gotta call bullshit on that one.
>>
>>In State Department document 861.00/2205, July 5, 1918, U.S. consul
>>Saldwell sent a diplomatic telegram in which he stated that local
>>communist governments were fifty percent jewish.  In State Department
>>document 861.00/1757, May 2, 1918 U.S. consul general Sommers sent a
>>message saying that jews were "predominant" in local Soviet governments. 
>>Captain Montgomery Schuyler, in a telegram of June 9, 1919, describes the
>>make-up of the 384 commissars - more than 300 were jews.  Hardly a "small
>>presence."

(snip - a really lame attempt at _reduction ad absurdum_, just making the
author look like an ass)
  
> 	No considering the way Russia has treated the Jews (pre and
> 	post communist), Do you think it really makes sense that 
> 	300 of 384 commissars were Jewish. Even if there is a
> 	diplomatic telegram saying all Russians are Jews its just
> 	a data point not a fact.

In other words:  Even if someone SAYS it was so, it wasn't.

>	It also sounds like there was a 
> 	large amount of anti-sematism in the U.S State dept in 
> 	the early 1900's. History will point out that with the
> 	just about everything has been blamed on the Jews. 

If all throughout history, "anti-semitism" has been so endurable, maybe
there's something to it?  If it was just in last century or two, that'd be
one thing, but ever since there's been a jewish race, they've been
disliked by just about EVERYONE.

Les


--
It is not permissible to approach with half measures or even with
hesitation a task whose execution seems possible only by the harnessing of
the very last possible ounce of energy.
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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Jun 20 08:08:42 PDT 1995
Article: 16702 of alt.skinheads
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Two Rabbis Abuse 15-year-old Girl
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Jenn Starkman (jstarkma@chat.carleton.ca) writes:
> TonySPa (tonyspa@aol.com) wrote:
> 
>> I belive one could place a Catholic Priest on the same Platform as a
>> Jewish 'Rabbi'...  Lets face it Jews like touching their childern in weird
>> places in odd ways....
> 
>>                                                              Tony
> 
> Oh *really*? 
> 
> Gee, that's funny, my parents never did anything like that.
> 
> Strange, too, that among my own aquaintances (yes, I know that this is
> hardly representative, but it does say *something*) incidences of
> having been sexually abused are quite common among my non-Jewish
> friends, and almost non-existent among the Jewish ones...

But Jenn, it's all socialization anyway.  If a jewish kiddie is TAUGHT
that it's normal for the nice bearded man to touch him/her on the naughty
bits, then he/she won't REPORT it as sexual abuse, will he/she?

Anyway, what about the oral sex that all jewish boys are submitted to by
eight days of age when the _mohel_ circumcises them, then sucks the
blood out of the wound, with a mouthful of wine the whole time?

Les


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the very last possible ounce of energy.
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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Jun 21 05:26:53 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: Just Say No to Racial Mixing
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Tony Sterrett (sterrett@crash.cts.com) writes:

(snip)
 
> 		Of course, the closer one mates the more chance
> 	of genetic defeat can occur. Witness the results of inbreeding
> 	and incest in the southern U.S. talk about flat earthers. 

*sigh*  How can people so ignorant of even basic genetics be allowed to
live on their own?  This sort of ignorance shows that you should be
forever under the care of a real adult.

Of course, you can ask Sarah A De Forrest to explain genetics, but ask her
nicely.

(snip)

> 	Why must there be a "Way" first,second or third. How did
> 	you come across this vast knowledge of what's good. Can
> 	you see in the future? 

Uh, because not everyone shares your view of a happy little mud-ball
populated by miscegenating mulatto zombies.

> 	I think you come from a dysfunctional home and you should 
> 	stop worring about race mixing and what other people are 
> 	doing. Get help

How predictable.  The liberal retreat to name-calling.

Les


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hesitation a task whose execution seems possible only by the harnessing of
the very last possible ounce of energy.
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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Jun 21 05:26:58 PDT 1995
Article: 5869 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Liberal double-speak
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Lane Singer (lsd@ix.netcom.com) writes:
> From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
> 
>> (Lane BEFORE my response)
>> >>> Do not imagine that the USSR was driven by Jews. A Jewish
>> >>> presence in the early communist party was both small and quickly
>> >>> eliminated.
>> >>
>> >>Sorry, Lane, gotta call bullshit on that one.
>> >> 
>> >>In State Department document 861.00/2205, July 5, 1918, U.S. consul
>> >>Saldwell sent a diplomatic telegram in which he stated that local
>> >>communist governments were fifty percent jewish.  
>> > 
>> > These telegrams you cite, personal opinions of unknown men, are
>> > not history. I wonder what sort of information you would put
>> > in a telegraph?
>> > 
>> > But I am not denying that Jews were over-represented in the
>> > early communist groups in Russia. They actually thought that
>> > anti-Jewism would be ended under communism. Pity the poor fools.
>> > I simply question your assessement of the situation, and continue
>> > to do. Maybe I'll get a chance to pursue it at the library.
>> 
>> (Lane AFTER my reply)
>> 
>> So, in essence, what you're saying is, "Jews were a small minority in the
>> Communist Party, but even if they were a large majority, so what?"  Jesus,
>> Lane, you're doing a better job of destroying your own position than *I*
>> ever could.  Keep it up!
> 
> What position would that be? I continue to assert both statements.

And to practice a truly awesome display of double-speak.

> "Do not imagine that the USSR was driven by Jews. A Jewish
> presence in the early communist party was both small and quickly
> eliminated."
> 
> "But I am not denying that Jews were over-represented in the
> early communist groups in Russia."

Lane, are you actually SO blinded by your semitophillia that you REALLY
CAN'T SEE how the second statement contradicts the first?
 
> Now Les, how many Jews were there in Russia compared to the number
> of Russians? They were a small minority. By over-represented, I'm
> speaking (obviously) of a per capita representation. 

Now you're asking about the jewish population in Russia as a whole.  That
is NOT what you were saying originally.  Stop trying to be so slippery.

> Therefore, though they were over-represented in terms of their
> number, they were still a small minority in the communist party.
> AND, they were quickly eliminated, due to the inherent anti-Jewism
> of Russian culture. Sorry if this simple progression is beyond
> your critical capacities.

No, they were also over-represented in absolute numbers.  Take a look
again at what I entered above, the telegram from someone who was actually
there.

> And - If hitler was part Jewish, does that mean that you spend
> every waking hour worshipping a self-hating Jew?

And - if he was part jewish, does that mean that a part-jew orchestrated
the "holocuast"?  What a great argument for segregation!  I mean,
half-breeds encourage genocide, so let's prevent them from being created!

> Oh, and PS - your "response" convinced neither me nor anyone else
> that Jews ran Russia. Unless, of course, they already believe that,
> religiously, in which case even they weren't convinced by your
> "weighty" telegrams.

Like I CARE about convincing a dyed-in-the-wool hard-core Communist like
you.  I just enjoy pushing your buttons, and seeing the damn-fool
statements you come out with, such as "There weren't many jews in the
early communist party, but even if there were, so what?"
 
Les


--
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hesitation a task whose execution seems possible only by the harnessing of
the very last possible ounce of energy.
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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Jun 21 05:39:17 PDT 1995
Article: 5285 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Liberal suck-asses...
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This is probably the funniest thing I've ever seen coming from liberals: 
how do you KNOW that ALL (whatever minority, usually Blacks) are like
this?  Do you know every single Black?  How then can you judge them?

It sounds a lot like this:

How do you KNOW that hitting yourself between the eyes with a ball-peen
hammer will hurt?  Have you tried EVERY HAMMER in the world?  It may have
hurt in the past, but you can never tell if that particular hammer will
hurt.  Give it a chance.

Or like this:

How do you KNOW that that mouthful of rat-poison will kill you?  Have you
tried ALL the rat-poison in the world?  It may have killed other people in
the past, but you can never tell if that particular batch of rat-poison
will kill you.  Give it a chance.

In other words, IGNORE WHATEVER YOU'VE LEARNED, UNLESS IT CONFORMS TO THE
WONKY WORLD-VIEW OF THE LIBERALS!!!

Les

--
It is not permissible to approach with half measures or even with
hesitation a task whose execution seems possible only by the harnessing of
the very last possible ounce of energy.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Jun 21 15:13:06 PDT 1995
Article: 22414 of alt.revisionism
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Gordon Freedman (freedman@software.mitel.com) writes:
> : In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> : (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
> : Les:
> 
> : > So, a jew was responsible for the "holocaust"?
> : > 
> : > (this ALWAYS cracks me up!)
> 
> I have always read that Hitler's grandparentage was in question and that one
> possible grandfather was a jew while the other two possibilities (who were
> more likely) were not.
> 
> I think it more ironic that the leader of the Aryan Reich was of questionable
> blood lines himself.  Of course, intelligent Germans did not question it
> at the time - probably due to fear.

But... but... Judaism is a RELIGION, not a RACE, or so you people go to
great lengths to prove.  So WHAT if his granddaddy was really good with
money and went to church on Saturday instead of Sunday?

THINK about this for a moment, would you?  You're arguing for the biggest
Bad Guy in history to be one of your people, by OUR definition.  Have you
really thought about this?

Les


--
It is not permissible to approach with half measures or even with
hesitation a task whose execution seems possible only by the harnessing of
the very last possible ounce of energy.
		-- Adolf Hitler


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SSinger30 (ssinger30@aol.com) writes:
> BIG DEAL!!! THAT WAS ALMOST 3 YEARS AGO. 

... and the "holocaust" was 50 years ago, but we still hear about it...

... and the pogroms in Russia are older than that, but we've STILL not
heard the end of the "Oy Vey!  We are so prosecuted!"...

Les


--
It is not permissible to approach with half measures or even with
hesitation a task whose execution seems possible only by the harnessing of
the very last possible ounce of energy.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Jun 21 17:02:20 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Liberal double-speak
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Rich Thompson (thomprr@ego.psych.mcgill.ca) writes:
> On Tue, 20 Jun 1995, Les Griswold wrote:
> 
>> > 
>> > What position would that be? I continue to assert both statements.
>> 
>> And to practice a truly awesome display of double-speak.
>> 
>> > "Do not imagine that the USSR was driven by Jews. A Jewish
>> > presence in the early communist party was both small and quickly
>> > eliminated."
>> > 
>> > "But I am not denying that Jews were over-represented in the
>> > early communist groups in Russia."
>> 
>> Lane, are you actually SO blinded by your semitophillia that you REALLY
>> CAN'T SEE how the second statement contradicts the first?
> 
> Okay, idiot-boy, let me break it down for you. Suppose that jews 
> comprised 5% of the population of Russia. Suppose that 10% of the members 
> of the EARLY communist party were Jewish. Jews would be overrepresented 
> in the communist groups, AND be a relatively small minority in those 
> groups. Furthermore, in later communist party, Jews could be .005%. They 
> weren't after all terribly popular with later communists. Lane DID say 
> that the Jewish membership whatever it was was quickly marginalized and 
> eliminated.

Typical liberal:  take some numbers that can support his argument, even
though they have no relation to reality, and try to prove a point with them.

I didn't SAY that jews made up 10% of the early commisars:  I SAID that
they made up over 300 out of 384.  THAT'S considerably more than 10%, jerk.

> Semitophobic and stupid. Fortunately, you don't seem to have the  
> cognitive processes to be dangerous. > 

> Richard Thompson
> Dept. of Psychology                 
> McGill University
> 1205 Dr. Penfield Ave
> Montreal P.Q.
> H3A 1B1

Ah, another semitophile who is educated way beyond the level of his
intelligence.  You know, you shouldn't trumpet that around so loudly - do
you really think that McGill WANTS to be associated with a total idiot
like you?

Les


--
It is not permissible to approach with half measures or even with
hesitation a task whose execution seems possible only by the harnessing of
the very last possible ounce of energy.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Jun 22 14:29:59 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Clipping Canadian um, er, well...
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"Christopher Bright" (cbright@cix.compulink.co.uk) writes:

(snip)
 
> BTW, I heard there's compulsory circumcision of babies in Canada. Is that 
> true? Clear evidence of the Jewish Conspiracy if so, hm?

First I heard of it.  What you may be referring to is the fact that
Ontario Health Insurance Plan no longer covers the cost of circumcision,
which has "certain religious groups" up in arms.  It STILL covers the cost
of sex-change operations, though!  (Male-to-female only, of course!)

Les


--
It is not permissible to approach with half measures or even with
hesitation a task whose execution seems possible only by the harnessing of
the very last possible ounce of energy.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Jun 22 23:29:59 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Liberal suck-asses...
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Steve  Garza (sgarza@csubak.edu) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>> This is probably the funniest thing I've ever seen coming from liberals: 
>> how do you KNOW that ALL (whatever minority, usually Blacks) are like
>> this?  Do you know every single Black?  How then can you judge them?
>> 
>> It sounds a lot like this:
>> 
>> How do you KNOW that hitting yourself between the eyes with a ball-peen
>> hammer will hurt?  Have you tried EVERY HAMMER in the world?  It may have
>> hurt in the past, but you can never tell if that particular hammer will
>> hurt.  Give it a chance.
> 
> We don't care how it sounds to you, Lester. We are not claiming all blacks
> are one way. You are. We recognize exceptions and diversity in all groups.
> So give that argument a decent burial.

And yet, your recognition of diversity doesn't seem to extend to White
Supremacists, whom you claim are all sheet-wearing, synagogue-vandalizing,
cross-burning rednecks.  I'm incensed!
 
> We're not on the topic of blacks anymore Lester! We're on the topic of
> what you want a white society to be like. Where on the topic of what the
> fulfillment of "white power" would achieve. Except you don't even know
> what it is you want. Why, once the blacks, Hispanics, Jews, and others are
> gone, what the hell are you going to do? Your life's cause would be over.
> Suddenly you would not be superior anymore, only average since everyone
> would be white. Gee, how sad. Blue eyes only get so blue and white skin
> only so white. What's the next criteria? Come on Lester. Dream great
> dreams. Let's hear you nightmares.

It's nice to read this concern of yours for me, Stevie, even if I have
reservations about its sincerety.

Les



--
It is not permissible to approach with half measures or even with
hesitation a task whose execution seems possible only by the harnessing of
the very last possible ounce of energy.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Jun 22 23:30:01 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: STEVE GARZA
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Steve  Garza (sgarza@csubak.edu) writes:
 
> Les, it's real easy. Just explain, in an outline format, point by point,
> what white power means to you.

Why?  Oh, you're operating under the misperception that I WANT to
accomodate you...
 
> What do you stand for? What kind of society do you want? It's not enough
> to say, "I'm a white racist and I want to repatriate all non-whites!"
> Non-whites are not going to leave unless there are economic incentives to
> move elsewhere. You can try to force them out, but it has already been
> stated that would not be acceptable to other nations (Just ask why is it
> that other Arab nations won't accept Palestinians!!!).
> 
> So, voluntary repatriation and forced repatriation are really not so
> simple solutions after all (Gee, I bet that's upsetting!).

"Where there's a will there's a way..."
 
> You have also stated that race traitors or liberal whites are worse in
> some respects to non-whites. Well, when you repatriate us non-whites I
> guess you just have to repatriate those liberal whites too. Either that or
> send them to reeducation camps or death camps.
> 
> I mean, come on Lester! What about a wall along the border complete with
> land mines? (We'll just forget about peace treaties.) What about high
> tariffs against all foreign goods? (You're an isolationist arenšt you? You
> don't want to be dependent on foreign "non-white" people and their
> economies do you?)

More projection.  Since you know so much about us, why do you need to
bother asking us?
 
> Spike, myself, Andy, Lane, Jeanne, Mike, Derek, Sub and all the other
> "liberals" on this newsgroups are waiting patiently for you to tell us
> what you are all about. Are you a void Lester? No, because hate fills that
> gap in your miserable soul. Tell us or we will conclude that you are
> nothing Les. Nothing at all. Not superior and not anything. We demand
> justification Lester. We demand proof that you are a worthwhile member of
> the human community. Educate us or be spat upon.

Oh, no!  The contempt of dirt-bags!  Like the people mentioned above don't
think I'm "nothing" to begin with.  Pay attention.

> I will not give you any respect Lester until you do.

Oh no, a fate worse than death!

Les


--
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the very last possible ounce of energy.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Jun 22 23:30:03 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Hitler's anti-semitism
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Michael Evans (bd613@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
> Gord McFee (gmcfee@ibm.net) writes:
>> 
>> I'm sure a lot of things crack you up, Les.  You're half right, which is 
>> twice as good as usual: Hitler was responsible for the Holocaust; no, he was 
>> not a Jew.  (You wouldn't want to admit that your hero was a Jew, now would 
>> you?)

> 	What Les is trying to say, I think, is that if according to the
> popular anti-Nazi theory, Hitler were a Jew (Yeah right!), then the jews
> can stop blaming the Whites for the Holocaust and put it right on their
> own shoulders. IF he were a jew then it was his own people that he
> supposedly put to death. Thats what cracks Les up (and me as well).

Yeah, but these liberal idjuts never seem to understand that.  Why, they
tell us in one breath the judaism is only a religion, then they start with
this shit about how it's racial, and so Hitler had a yid ancestor, and
must be part-yid himself.  Pretty funny.

Les
 

--
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hesitation a task whose execution seems possible only by the harnessing of
the very last possible ounce of energy.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Jun 22 23:30:06 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Whites at the Y (was: Excrementum vincit cerebellum)
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The Sub-genius (laramary@er5.rutgers.edu) writes:
 
(snip) 

> 	I didn't realize the 'social groups' was a big term.  I'll try
> to slow things down for you...
> 
> 	Sylvie did not address the factor, period.  If she did, please,
> show us where.

Simple.  By saying that Blacks, Whites, and others lived at the Y.  It was
so blatant, that I'm surprised that even you missed it.

(snip)
 
>>Pissing in elevators is not the ONLY truly stupid thing that Blacks do in
>>Ottawa, pallie.  You should HEAR some of the horror stories that come out
>>of people who are forced to live near them.
> 
> 	"Forced" to live near them?  Since when was it illegal for Canadians
> to live where they want?  Or are you talking about people that can't afford
> to live somewhere else?

Uh, since we have "human" rights' commissions, both federal and
provincial, that are only too happy to file complaints of discrimination
against Whites who offend the sensibilities of non-Whites (never the other
way around).

You're also a classist, probably gearing up for another round of calling
me and other White Power supporters "trailer trash".  However, you're
forgetting that not only money is involved.  Even the three-car,
many-bedroom home yuppies are getting frustrated with watching their home
purchases become devalued because of non-Whites lowering the property
values.  Lose a couple of hundred thousand dollars and get back to me...
 
>>"Move away!", scream the liberals, conveniently forgetting a couple of
>>things:
> 
> 	Educate me...
> 
>>1)  It takes MONEY to do that, and why should Whites sell at a loss to
>>escape some wogs;
> 
> 	I moved out of Camden, and I still own the house...

Good for you.  So glad you can project your situation on to every other
White out there (after all, we're all alike).
 
>>2)  Maybe Whites are tired of retreating before the coloured swarms.
> 
> 	I could tell you what I'm tired of...

Then my not-so-subtle rejoinder:  STOP POSTING HERE!!!  STOP EVEN READING,
if it tires you so much!

Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Jun 27 00:53:39 PDT 1995
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I can't believe the number of jews and semitophiles on this and other
boards.  I mean, come on guys, give us a break.  WE don't go busting up
jewish "religious" observances, or putting pork products in the kosher
section at the supermarket (well, mostly, anyway).

Les

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William December Starr (wdstarr@crl.com) writes:
> In article , 
> baliset@zeta.org.au (Nathan Zamprogno) said:
> 
>> To me it is not a matter of "White Supremacy" at all. I prefer to call
>> it "Intelligence Supremacy". Here in Australia we are being
>> politically forced to give ground to the Aboriginal people. This is a
>> people that in 40 *thousand* years did not come up with either the
>> wheel, agriculture or a written language. To call them "primitive" is
>> so politically incorrect you will be sued on the spot, and yet look at
>> the evidence! I'd rather take Voyager 2, Apollo 11, gene splicing and
>> all their attendant civilisational "evil" side effects any day,
>> compared to being some backward savage with no scientific knowledge
>> and no desire/ability to gain it.
> 
> Can you support your "and no desire/ability to gain it" assertion with
> objective evidence?  I'm especially interested in the "ability" part of
> that statement... are you referring to the mental capability inherent in
> an Aboriginal person when born, or a (hypothetical) stunting of such a
> person's mental capabilities as a result of growing up in the Aboriginal
> society?

I think the question answers itself.  Does this hypothetical
brain-stunting occur in White civilization?  Amazing that it's the only
civilization that is immune to this otherwise universal disease.

Les


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Kristof Avramsson (avramsso@julian.uwo.ca) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>I can't believe the number of jews and semitophiles on this and other
>>boards.  I mean, come on guys, give us a break.  
> 
> Deal with it Les.  Free speach means just that!
> 
> Kristof

Indeed.  So let's not hear any more tortured "logic" about "hate speech", hmm?

Les


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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Jun 30 15:37:52 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Eric's favourite wine...
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Eric Blace (ad792@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
> Jason, I work for the Federal government.  My salary has been frozen for
> the lat 5 years and will be frozen for at least the next two.  John is
> not inflating anyones salary.  And what benefits are you talking about.
>  Paying more taxes than anyone else because we can't hide our earnings
> like those in private industry or those who are self employed is not a
> benefit. The worst place to work right now is the government. We are
> fucked royally.

I just can't resist...

Then why not quit your job "working" for the government and open your own
business, since you're so astute at determining where the REAL money is? 
Or would you rather satisfy your martyr complex?

> The people that are making money these days are the
> private businesses that pretend that we are not in a recession.   
> Just becasue you don't agree with John's views on WP is no reason to
> make up fabrications obout the public service. There are Skins working
> here too, ask them how marvellous things are. 
> It is being charged $5.00 for a quart by people that pretend they are
> doing you a favour by letting you drink "cheap" that are fucking up the
> contry, not John Baglow.  
> 
>  Jason Smith
> (al998@FreeNet.Carleton.CA)
> writes: > John Baglow (ai433@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
>>>> 	What if I told you it was me that kicked in her face?
>>> 
>>> Is this a confession? Then where's your honour, letting someone else take
>>> the rap for your action? This goes against all the "white pride" crap you
>>> like to indulge in...
>> 
>> 	I wish it were a confession.  I wish I *had* kicked her, but I was
>> not so fortunate.  Honour and pride don't come into play where Alicia's
>> concerned.
>> 
>> 	And, FYI, I would never have let George, or anyone else for that
>> matter, take the rap for something I did.  Conversely, George wouldn't rat
>> on a brother.  It works both ways.  Go back to inflating the PS' salaries
>> and bankrupting the government with employee benefits, will you?
>> 
>> Jason

Les

--
It is not permissible to approach with half measures or even with
hesitation a task whose execution seems possible only by the harnessing of
the very last possible ounce of energy.
		-- Adolf Hitler


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Jun 30 15:37:54 PDT 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Les
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Eric Blace (ad792@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
> Les was away for about a week.  It was nice.  Why don't we all tell him to
> fuck off and take his lies somewhere else. 
> He is such a tiresome fuck.

(blush)  Ah, you're just saying that...

Les


--
It is not permissible to approach with half measures or even with
hesitation a task whose execution seems possible only by the harnessing of
the very last possible ounce of energy.
		-- Adolf Hitler


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Walt Eisner... er, Disney 
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Zoeytwo (zoeytwo@aol.com) writes:
> How can you say Disney is much better under Michael Eisner?  Walt Disney
> would never have employed a Jew.  Employees are now treated like
> throwaways instead of being considered as family.  The average American
> family can't afford the price of admission because of Eisner's greed for
> enormous obscene bonuses.

I was being sarcastic.

Seeing people (presumably White) like yourself really makes me wonder what
we're fighting for.

Les


--
It is not permissible to approach with half measures or even with
hesitation a task whose execution seems possible only by the harnessing of
the very last possible ounce of energy.
		-- Adolf Hitler

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