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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Dec  3 09:06:47 PST 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Liberals egos...
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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:
> In article <30BEB481.6C2E@aimnet.com>, George Graves 
> wrote:

> * Remember this Jeanne. If ONE person in this world, irrespective
> * of race refuses to mix his/her genes with a member of another
> * race, you and your entire movement lose. 
> 
> What movement is that, George? I think that adults should have the freedom
> to marry and have children with whomever they wish.

And we don't.

> It seems that you'd rather have people live in isolation to keep their genes
> pure. 

Don't tell me you're FINALLY starting to get it?
 
> Many of the "whites" in America would find that their genes are quite
> colorful if they traced back a few generations.

Tell me, Crazy, when did "many" translate into "all"?  You're setting
yourslef up to get some e-mail from Jeffrey G. Brown, unless, of coures,
he won't bother you because you're espousing goals that are near and dear
to his heart, ie race-mixing.

> Some of us (you call us "libs") know our ancestry and/or realize that having
> pale skin is not our utmost concern or crowning achievement in life.

Thus spoke Jeanneathustra, who just loves regaling us with stories about
her personal life.  Say, Crazy, when are you gonna tell us about your
first hubby again?

Les



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Dec  3 09:08:09 PST 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Liberals egos...
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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:
> In article <30BEB481.6C2E@aimnet.com>, George Graves 
> wrote:

> * Remember this Jeanne. If ONE person in this world, irrespective
> * of race refuses to mix his/her genes with a member of another
> * race, you and your entire movement lose. 
> 
> What movement is that, George? I think that adults should have the freedom
> to marry and have children with whomever they wish.

And we don't.

> It seems that you'd rather have people live in isolation to keep their genes
> pure. 

Don't tell me you're FINALLY starting to get it?
 
> Many of the "whites" in America would find that their genes are quite
> colorful if they traced back a few generations.

Tell me, Crazy, when did "many" translate into "all"?  You're setting
yourslef up to get some e-mail from Jeffrey G. Brown, unless, of coures,
he won't bother you because you're espousing goals that are near and dear
to his heart, ie race-mixing.

> Some of us (you call us "libs") know our ancestry and/or realize that having
> pale skin is not our utmost concern or crowning achievement in life.

Thus spoke Jeanneathustra, who just loves regaling us with stories about
her personal life.  Say, Crazy, when are you gonna tell us about your
first hubby again?

Les

From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Dec  3 09:08:10 PST 1995
Article: 9592 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Richards in '96
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Marcus W. Marlow (marlow@scsn.net) writes:
> 	CLOC is considering nominating our very own Racial Theorist, 
> R.C. Richards, to run for the office of President of the United States 
> in 1996.
> 	
> 	Our brilliant political strategist has devised the perfect 
> platform for R.C.'s campaign:  We'll offer negroes their own homeland, 
> located somewhere in Mexico, and pardon all incarcerated negroes who 
> are willing to move to the new homeland (and take their families with 
> them).

But how will these negroes figure out which picaninnies are theirs?
 
> 	With a platform like this, R.C. is a lead-pipe cinch to win the 
> Presidency.  Negroes and White People alike will turn out in droves to 
> vote for him.
> 
> 	Here's hoping you'll do the same.
> 
> 	Hail R.C. Richards' candidacy!
> 
> 	Hail Victory!
> 
> 	In Service,
> 
> 	Col. Marcus W. Marlow
> 
> 	"Working around the CLOC for the White Race"

Les



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Dec  3 09:08:11 PST 1995
Article: 9593 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: If Whites are so superior...
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Rob Kowalewski (robk@rio.com) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les
> Griswold) wrote:

(snip)

>> The original question was, if Whites are so superior, why are jews running
>> everything?  My answer was, because a lot of Whites did (and still do)
>> make the mistake of believing that jews are white, when they most
>> certainly are not.  Now, to expand a little on that:  by misunderstanding
>> the racial nature of the jew, we have made the mistake of trying to
>> assimilate him, and allowing him access to the levers of our society.

> For no other reason than for your sake, Les buddy, let's say that's true.
> 
> Sooooo...therefore access for non-whites to the levers of society
> eradicates the superior position of whites. Your superiority is vulnerable
> to the participation of others in society.
> 
> What the hell is *superior* about that?

Easy, Wobbie.  It's easier to destroy, than to build.  That our
civilization is vulnerable to the antics of jews and other non-whites is
not proof that we aren't superior, just that our institutions were not
meant to be placed in the hands of inferior aliens with no understanding
of them.

Les





From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Dec  4 06:55:40 PST 1995
Article: 14941 of alt.revisionism
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Whites + Europe = Great Place   Niggers + Europe = Dump
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Truth or Consequences (n9s6m@netcom.com) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : ... and negroes in South Africa were, and are, better off than negroes
> : ANYWHERE ELSE on that laughable continent.
> 
> Except Gabon.  Annual GDP per capita of 5,000k.  More than South Africa's
> $2500.

Really?  So why wasn't Gabon the greatful recipient of all those itinerant
negroes?  Simple:  they'd rather go to where they can guilt the Whites
into doing the work for them, and lobby international opinion to be on the
side of "the poor opressed Blacks".

> Next only to Seychelles.  They got oil there and are excavating it
> quite nicely, not like Nigeria.  Here are some other African (or
> predominantly black) countries that have high GDPs:  Suriname; Libya;
> Algeria; Mauritius, Botswana.  All have GDP of at least $2000.

Ditto.

> Richer than Jamaica. 
 
Wow!  BIG claim there!

Les





From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Dec  4 07:13:51 PST 1995
Article: 7036 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Europeans Defeat Enemies. Invaded by Aliens More than Africans Were.
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Abdrool Kama (akama@ucla.edu) writes:
> potato@mo.net (Frank Weltner) wrote:

(snip)

>>... One-half the the per capita deaths on board slavers were deaths of the 
>>crew from African diseases.
>>>
> Reasons why Europe came to africa and plundered it:
> 1-natural ressources(gold, diamond, ivory, tropical products etc..) After
> they lost most of their colonies in north America, the europeans beasts
> already used to stealing instead of paying for the gooods they get, turned
> their attention to Africa. Forced labor, pillaging, using populations against
> each other were the main features of the 150 years of hell we had to endure.
> What did we get in exchange: a few screwed up schools, our traditional values
> destroyed, rulers who care more about their european vacations than their
> people.

AND the opportunity to be educated far beyond anything that you could ever
have accomplished yourselves, you ignorant savage.  Your medicine would
still be at the wave-the-fetish-in-the-air stage if it wasn't for Whites,
and you'd still be wallowing in the Stone Age.

I notice that you completely ignore Frank's point about half the deaths on
slve ships being the CREW from NIGGER diseaes.  Why's that?
 
> Your devilish ancestors are the worse thing that ever happened to our beloved
> continent. 

Likewise, you wild, untameable savage.

Les


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Dec  4 07:20:34 PST 1995
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Abdrool Kama (akama@ucla.edu) writes:
> potato@mo.net (Frank Weltner) wrote:

(snip)

>>... One-half the the per capita deaths on board slavers were deaths of the 
>>crew from African diseases.
>>>
> Reasons why Europe came to africa and plundered it:
> 1-natural ressources(gold, diamond, ivory, tropical products etc..) After
> they lost most of their colonies in north America, the europeans beasts
> already used to stealing instead of paying for the gooods they get, turned
> their attention to Africa. Forced labor, pillaging, using populations against
> each other were the main features of the 150 years of hell we had to endure.
> What did we get in exchange: a few screwed up schools, our traditional values
> destroyed, rulers who care more about their european vacations than their
> people.

AND the opportunity to be educated far beyond anything that you could ever
have accomplished yourselves, you ignorant savage.  Your medicine would
still be at the wave-the-fetish-in-the-air stage if it wasn't for Whites,
and you'd still be wallowing in the Stone Age.

I notice that you completely ignore Frank's point about half the deaths on
slve ships being the CREW from NIGGER diseaes.  Why's that?
 
> Your devilish ancestors are the worse thing that ever happened to our beloved
> continent. 

Likewise, you wild, untameable savage.

Les


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Dec  4 15:27:15 PST 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Whites + Europe = Great Place   Niggers + Europe = Dump
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Steffanie (Yeti@ix.netcom.com) writes:
> In <49oa0g$26e0@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net> speedy5@ibm.net (KT) writes: 
> 
> 
>>
>>If the niggers lived in Europe. Europe would have been a dump. Just 
> like
>>Africa is.
>>
>>Generally niggers were/are primitive creatures and would never have 
>>established a civilization on their own.
>>
> 
> 
> But with the help of the white race,  Africans were able to live in that 
> stifling and restrictive subject of civilization known as South Africa. 
> Aren't those Europeans sooooo thoughtful...

... and negroes in South Africa were, and are, better off than negroes
ANYWHERE ELSE on that laughable continent.
  
> I just wanted to make sure everyone saw this.
>    You know,  a good laugh can brighten anyone's day.
>       I certainly got my yuks out of this post.

Are you sure you're not laughing because you're nervous?
 
Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Dec  4 15:27:16 PST 1995
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william c anderson (libwca@larry.cc.emory.edu) writes:
> KT (speedy5@ibm.net) wrote:
> 
> : Generally niggers were/are primitive creatures and would never have 
> : established a civilization on their own.
> 
> : Liberal people conveniently ignore this basic fact.
> 
> Sigh.
> 
> The fact is, Speed-o, you aren't a conservative--you're a nutcase.  The
> opposite of what you are, therefore, is not "liberal," but "rational
> human being".  Your constant insistence that, by your tired, sad racist
> tripe, you are opposing the "liberals" is an insult to decent, rational
> conservatives everywhere.
> 
> But I shouldn't have to keep defending them; I am a liberal.  Therefore,
> I've added alt.fan.rush-limbaugh to the newsgroup line, in the hope that
> you will be deluged with mail from angry conservatives.

That's very thoughtful of you.  Perhaps, with those mail deluges,
conservatives can explain just what it is they think they're conserving?

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Dec  4 15:43:23 PST 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Rajiv K. Gandhi (anakin@pinc.com) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
 
(snip)

RKG: 
>> > Noobody forces anybody to do anything.

Moi:
>> No, but choices CAN be limited by economics, tool.
> 
> Stunning admission there Griswold. This applies to EVERYBODY, you know.

True enough, but in the case of negroes, the economics is limiting a VERY
LIMITED potential, one that could not (and has not) been developed without
HUGE handouts from the White race.

Les

From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Dec  4 15:43:23 PST 1995
Article: 7160 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Liberals like to take statements and run with 'em (was: Liberals egos...) 
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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu), not knowing
how to use her editor, writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:

(snip)

> Did I say all, Les? Nope. I just don't think that anyone can be 100
> percent certain of their ancestry, even if they can trace their roots back
> for a thousand years. Children were orphaned and raised in adoptive
> families, women were raped, women falsely identified fathers of their
> children, etc. Shit happens, Les. It happened a thousand years ago, and no
> "White" person knows if a grandmother 200 generations back bore a child
> from one of these unions.

Nice attempt at casting doubt there, Crazy, but it isn't going to work.

Really, does anyone CARE if you, or your crazy liberal friends, doubts
his/her genetic heritage?  What do we care if you loons are happy to
wallow in your ignorance?  I mean, we've all seen or heard about monkeys
who will climb trees and chitter nervously, throwing their excrement at
whatever has them scared.
 
> How many generations does it take to become "White" again, Les? Is one
> occurance of miscegenation a thousand years ago enough to brand someone
> nonwhite. Maybe these White guys who like to smack their women around are
> doing it because of a recessive "Black Rage" gene, eh? You already said
> that anyone who has the urge to have sex with someone from a different
> race is genetically inferior.

No, Crazy, what I said was, that having the urge to have sex with someone
>from  a different race was evidence of moral degeneracy.  Actually BREEDING
with another race was _prima facie_ evidence of genetic inferiority, which
I suppose is another way of saying, "What have we lost?"
 
> Your American knuckle-dragger buddies may want to do a little genealogical
> research before they jump on the bandwagon to create separate homelands.
> They may end up living in an entirely different homeland than they'd
> expected. Les, you know that these folks who think that they're White or
> even white are only doing the grunt work for bring you true Aryans to
> power, when you will promptly boot their mongrel asses aside. BTW, what
> will you do with a couple of self-admitted race-mixers like the racial
> theorist and marlow? Can they be redeemed?

You know, you're pretty funny, the way you go on and on about R.T. and
Marlow.  First of all, I never recall Marlow saying anything of the sort. 
If you have such a statement archived, why don't you post it?  If not,
shut up.  Second of all, you're the only one I know who's still making an
issue of it.  R.T. admitted it.  He also stated that he no longer does it.
 I believe him.  End of story.

(snip, including Crazy's pathetic attempt at a flame)

Les

From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Dec  4 15:43:24 PST 1995
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"Jenny M. Patterson" (jmpatter@ecst.csuchico.edu) writes:
> Hello 
> 
> I am a white and proud female from California.  And I would like to know 
> what I can do to help win the fight against these invaders that have 
> plagued our land for so long.  If anyone can give me any tips. my e-mail is
> jmpatter@ecst.csuchico.edu
> 
> Thanks
> Jenifer

Write the National Alliance at:

National Alliance
P.O. Box 90
Hillsboro, WV
24946  U.S.A.

Or call them (voice mail) at:  (304) 653-4600

Or check out the National Alliance webpage (yes, it's back up!) at:

http://www.natvan.com

Glad to be of service!

Les
From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Dec  6 22:04:23 PST 1995
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rajiv gandhi, who still likes sending e-mail even after being asked to stop,
 (rgandhi@sol.uvic.ca) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>> No, Crazy, what I said was, that having the urge to have sex with someone
>> from a different race was evidence of moral degeneracy.  Actually BREEDING
>> with another race was _prima facie_ evidence of genetic inferiority, which
>> I suppose is another way of saying, "What have we lost?"
> 
> Bzzzt. Thanks for playing Griswold, but you get no prizes here, but maybe
> if you tell us just how blond Hitler was you might qualify for a boot to
> the head. 

Pretty strong words, coming from a "dedicated pacifist".
 
> Genetically speaking, it is beneficial for racial integration. People of
> mixed parentage cannot be said to have lost anything, but to have gained
> everything. It is a mathematical fact of life, that interbreeding weeds
> out those genes which tend to case damage to any individual at a much
> faster rate than if breeding was confined to races. It lets the human
> species, of which there is only one, evolve at a faster rate.

Oh, bullshit.  Your airy-fairy notions of mix-n-match genetic combinations, 
where one can supposedly PICK which genes one passes to one's descendants, is
just so much hot air.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Dec  6 22:04:24 PST 1995
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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:
> In article , potato@mo.net
> (Frank Weltner) wrote:

> * > make any kind of a moral statement. The fact is that men can make lots of
> * > babies, and even if they have biracial children, they could still find a
> * > twelve-year-old HeeHaw Honey to bear his mightywhitey children. 

> * The twelve year olds, it seems are seduced by black men over 27 years of
> * age. According to recent newspapers, 90% of the black girls 16 years old
> * and younger have babies to men over 27 years of age. They prefer young
> * girls, because they have less chance of having AIDS.
> 
> Yeah, this same rationale also explains why child prostitution is so
> popular in Thailand, but neither example has a damn thing to do with the
> original subject of watering down white genes . The whole age thing
> goes along with the statements of such WP authorities as Rev. Ron, who
> indicated that he wanted a "woman" who would know her place, bear eight
> children, and live to please her husband. I don't know of any female over
> the age of twelve who would willingly enter into or romanticize such a
> servile relationship.
> 
> * Sorry to bring this
> * up. I know it ruins your argument. But life is that way, isn't it?
> 
> Frank, you just ran in here and waved your little dong around to distract
> me, and I gave you a swift knee and boot to the ass. Life sucks, huh?

Excuse me here, Crazy, but Frank refuted YOUR claim that it's White girls
who get knocked up at 12, and YOU kicked HIS ass?  Hmm, must be some more
of that liberal logic...

Les




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Fresh816 (fresh816@aol.com) writes:
> You are an extraordinary idiot.  First of all, many Americans, who were
> not Communists, supported Hitler before we joined the war in '41, the
> leader of whom was probably Henry Ford, though Lindbergh and Disney were
> pretty outspoken in support of Hitler.
> 
> Second of all, we joined the war, not to stop HITLER, but to stop STALIN. 

Boy, we really did a good job THERE!

A little reminder:  in May 1945, Hitler was dead.  Stalin was still alive.
 So WHO was stopped?

> If we didn't join the war effort, Stalin would have crushed Hitler (as he
> did already) and then taken ALL of Europe instead of  just half.

Without lend/lease to save his commie bacon, Stalin and the bolsheviks
would have been toast by September 1941.
 
Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Dec  7 08:55:16 PST 1995
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KT (speedy5@ibm.net) writes:
> scallon@kiwi.pyrotechnics.com (Brendan J. F. Scallon) says:
> 
>>: Clearly all the Muslims, niggers, chinks etc. who ain't satisfied with
>>: the hospitality of the civilized Western World, could move back to THEIR
>>: homelands.
>>
>>Then shouldn't whites go back to Europe?  Are you by chance American Indian?
>>
> 
> North Am. belongs to the White race, simply because Whites founded and built
> the civilization we have today. Whereas all blacks have contributed zero-zilch.
> Someone's probably going to try *refute* me on that one, so here's a small
> reminder...
> 
> Blacks: peanut butter and cotton gin.
> 
> Whites: [looooooong list]

Something that people who brute around negro inventiveness never like to
talk about is:  how many of their inventions (real or made-up) would they
have invented in Africa, that is how many were invented in a WHITE society?

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Dec  8 09:49:37 PST 1995
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Lester Toews (mct394@freenet.mb.ca) writes:
> On Tue, 24 Oct 1995, Les Griswold wrote:
> 
>> 3rd World immigrants bitch and moan that their "qualifications" aren't
>> "raspected" here in Canada (I'll bet that much the same goes on in the
>> U.S.), and that they must therefore get service-sector jobs.  Well,
>> considering that eye surgery is done with RAZOR BLADES in India, is it any
>> wonder that their "qualifications" aren't "recognized"?
>> Les
> 
> It is never stated whether the blades are sterilized. As long as they are 
> what is the problem?
> 
> They still use saws and other assorted objects to cut people open; if 
> they are sterilized what is the problem?
> 
> What is so great about modern North American medicine when the doctor is 
> prescribing pills instead of real treatment anyway?

My GOD, I do believe you're serious!

Taking a razor blade to someone's eye is NOT the same thing as boozing up
a shrapnel victim until he's drunk as a lord, then quickly sawing off the
limb that is/will go gangrenous.  Really, Lester, you're mistaking
battlefield expedients with normal procedure.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Dec  9 09:51:28 PST 1995
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Subject: Re: If Whites are so superior...
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Bryan Cowan (moo@value.net) writes:

(snip)

> Even if we did try to assimilate the Jew, we wouldn't necessarily allow
> him access to the levers of society.

But we have.

> In fact, as far as I know, we have not.

Then you're either really stupid and ignorant, or lying through your
teeth.  Which is it?

> And also, if Whites are only superior in a society where they control
> things, then isn't that a qualified superiority (ie. they're only superior
> when they run things; put a White in the middle of Africa and he will
> become inferior)?

It's easier to destroy than to create.  How many negro vandals can CREATE
the plate glass windows that they're so fond of destroying?

> Either Whites are *always* superior-put a White in the
> middle of Africa and he will still be superior to Blacks if he lives there
> 50 years-or Whites are not superior, at least in an inherent sense.

Put a White in the middle of Africa, and 50 years later, you'll probably
have running water, paved roads, ordered civilization, etc... all the
things that the negro race never has, and never will, create.

> Of course the race that has its hands on the levers of society will be in a
> position of superior influence in that society. So according to your
> logic, Les, if Jews have control of society, then they must be the
> superior race. But your belief is that that is NOT true-that the White is
> still superior even though the Jew runs things. 

A sneak-thief is not superior to the man that he steals from, dummy.

BTW, that was really nice of you to clip out my answer, and then proceed with
your bullshit.  About what we can expect from a leftist:  I can't refute
what WAS said, so I'll refute what I WISH he had said, instead.

You postulate a single solitary White man in Africa, presumably surrounded
by negroes, and expand that to encompass the whole White race?  Why
don't we look at the accomplishments of minority Whites in mostly negro
countries, as opposed to a negro minority in a mostly White country?  I'll
submit the former Rhodesia as an example of the former, and the U.S. as an
example of the latter.  Presumably, you have enough brain power to figure
it out...

> BTW, you still haven't answered the question: Why would the *superior*
> White race voluntarily hand over control of society to the Jewish race,
> even if they thought Jews were White? If one thinks Jews are White, then
> one will indeed end up having Jews in positions of power, but surely not
> enough to control EVERYTHING. Certainly there would be enough Whites left
> in positions of power to see what the Jews would be doing and to stop it?

Typical jewish theorizing:  push out PROBABILITIES as if they were
ABSOLUTE CERTAINTIES.  The fact is, it may indeed be LIKELY that Whites
would retain a majority of the postions of power to put the kibosh on
jewish machinations in time, but the plain fact is, they haven't.  Look, I'm
getting tired of repeating myself over and over for you, with your whiny claims 
that I haven't answered the question, when I've answered it every fucking time 
you asked it.  You even repeat it in that last paragraph, for crying out loud, 
and answer it yourself (in the first sentence, for the slow-witted [hi,
Crazy!])  So get with it, or shut the hell up.

Les



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Dec  9 17:52:29 PST 1995
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Fresh816 (fresh816@aol.com) writes:
> Daren, Daren, Daren
> 
> Don't you realize that the minute you say "nigger," the whole bullshit
> argument about racism isn't about hate, it's about loving my race, goes
> right out the fucking window?

Yes, and Darren just avails himself of that argument SO OFTEN, doesn't he?
 Stop stereotyping so that you can pick fights, jewboy.

> God, even for a Nazi you're an idiot.  You don't even know how to 
> whitewash yourself.

That's funny.  Really, it is.  And jews in the shtetls didn't know how to
wash themselves, period.  Gen. Patton said that Orthodox Jews were a bunch
of pigs who stank.

> Semitic Avenger

Les




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Brian Henderson (BHendrsn@kirk.microsys.net) writes:
> whitewolf@alpha.c2.org wrote:
> 
>>Ever since America began it's policy of integration of races and rampant
>>multiculturalism, it has slowly been destroyed.
> 
> No, it has slowly been changed.

No, I think that Whitewolf *meant* destroyed, and he's 100% right.

> Does anyone want to bet that Mr. Whitewolf wasn't around in the age of
> non-multiculturalism?  It's always the people who look back to the mythical
> "good old days" who make these statements.

Geez, what a maroon.  Since the Brave New World of Multiracialism has been
around since 1965, a growing number of people will not have actually lived
through the days when the multiracialism WASN'T around.

But tell me, Bri, what's "mythical" about not having to lock your front
door at night?  Not having to buy a Club for your car?  Not having to
cheap out on your home furnishings, so that B&E artists won't rob you
blind?  What's so "mythical" about that, and what's so bad about wanting a
return to that sort of situation?

>>Why do you inflict your twisted values onto the White, God fearing people
>>of America?
> 
> First of all, the only one with twisted values around here are the
> racist idiots who think that they are normal.

"I'm rubber and you're glue; whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to
you."
 
> Secondly, I am white but an atheist.  Do I fit in?  How about all the
> black God-fearing people?  

How about 'em?  Holy niggers are funny, especially when they get evangilical.
 
>>It is obvious to anyone with an IQ above 10 that integration has been,
>>and will continue to be, a total failure.
> 
> Funny, the last time I was checked, my I.Q. was 168 and it certainly
> isn't obvious to me.

Then open your fucking eyes, shit-for-brains.
 
>>You liberals in your ivory towers may not have to live amongst these other
>>races as some of us do.
> 
> I think you mean conservatives in the ivory towers.  They're the ones
> who keep giving all the tax breaks to the rich (ie. themselves).

Liberals AND conservatives deserve the racial hodge-podge that they have
BOTH worked so hard to bring about.  Why, in your little mind, is the
opposite of a liberal automatically a conservative?
 
>>You may not of had the 'pleasure' of being attacked by these races, robbed
>>by these races, raped by these races, shot at by these races, murdered by
>>these races.  Or had friends or family suffer at the hands of these races.
> 
> I don't find pleasure in being attacked, robbed, raped, shot at or
> murdered by anyone of any race.  Would you prefer having one of these
> done to you by whites?  Or were you just flapping your lips?

Typical liberal weasel:  "Whites do that sort of thing too, so it's not so
bad when non-Whites do it!"
 
>>You have betrayed your people.  You have betrayed your children.  You are
>>creating a nightmare world for your children to exist in!
> 
> My people are human.

Coulda fooled us.

(snip)

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Dec 11 23:02:19 PST 1995
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Fresh816 (fresh816@aol.com) writes:
> Lester, you're quickly growing tiresome.

I'm not here for your amusement, yid.

> First of all, for my religion to be Paleolithic, it would have to be several
> million years old.  It ain't.  I'ts about 4000 years old.  But you've
> speaking figuratively, of course.  The fact is that despite every effort of
> scumbags like you to squash us, we keep coming back, and it drives you crazy.

Yes, like tapeworms, bloodflukes, head lice, and other parasites.  But
evetually, we'll get the right treatment, and it may be sooner than you think.

Les




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Fresh816 (fresh816@aol.com) writes:
> Lester, you're quickly growing tiresome.

I'm not here for your amusement, yid.

> First of all, for my religion to be Paleolithic, it would have to be several
> million years old.  It ain't.  I'ts about 4000 years old.  But you've
> speaking figuratively, of course.  The fact is that despite every effort of
> scumbags like you to squash us, we keep coming back, and it drives you crazy.

Yes, like tapeworms, bloodflukes, head lice, and other parasites.  But
evetually, we'll get the right treatment, and it may be sooner than you think.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Dec 12 11:25:14 PST 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Black Family Values (They are Different?!)
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David McDuffee (mcduffee@netcom.com) writes:
> In article <4a8ipt$2b3@mothra.westworld.com>,
> cybernet  wrote:
> 
>>I'm sure that if your family values required you to get a job with
>>wages good enough to support a family, yet you realistically knew that
>>unemployment and underemployment was only natural for your social
>>class, you'd be pragmatic enough to develop family values not making
>>utopian assumptions that you'd be able to support a family.  A few
>>years ago, a study found that the only way a typical poor Black woman
>>could raise a family outside poverty by marrying a man in her social
>>class, is if she married four of them.  No doubt since then this has
>>become worse.  I'm sure that if you were in that position, the family
>>values of those more wealthy would seem ridiculously unrealistic.
> 
> This is a bunch of bigotted bullshit.
> 
> Unemployment is natural for a social class?
> 
> Black women make four times as much on welfare as black men can earn?
> 
> Family values mean that men and women who have children stay together
> to raise them.  Up until the 1960s, this was the norm in both black and
> white households.  It was the norm during the Great Depression, when 
> everyone faced more poverty and less hope of finding employment than
> they do today.  Poverty is a very poor explanation for what we are 
> seeing today.  Ill-advised social programs, an "if it feels good, do it"
> attitude, feelings of entitlement, and refusal to delay gratification
> and develop self discipline are much more likely to be at the root of
> the problem.

That's good, David.  Now, follow us through here:

BOTH white and black families have experienced the SAME societal
pressures, yet white families are disintegrating at a much lower rate than
negro families (if negro families are even formed at all, which is
unlikely).  So, since the EXTERNAL stimuli are the same, we have to begin
looking at the INTERNAL, no?

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Dec 12 13:37:44 PST 1995
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Steve Garza (sgarza@csubak.edu) writes:

(snip)

> Furthermore, who was it who called to the Austrian Archduke Maximillion to
> take the throne of Mexico? That archbishop of Mexico was a Garza. Look it
> up. It was the rebels in Mexico who opposed that version of the Catholic
> church who rose up against them and killed poor old Max and overthrew not
> only the current leaders of the church, but did away with titles of
> nobility and the like.

Gee, that's nifty.  Why did he have to go all the way to Austria to find
someone?  Are you telling me that out of all the millions of Mexicans,
there wasn't one qualified to take the throne?

Les


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Dec 12 13:37:45 PST 1995
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Ken McVay OBC (kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca) writes:

(snip)

> How about those crazy Heritage Front kids, playing "IT!" and
> harrassing the hell out of Toronto citizens?

My GOD, that's TERRIBLE, especially compared to the trashing of Gary
Schipper's home by a bunch of ARA soldiers.

> How about those crazy Heritage Front kids, standing around in 
> front of anti-racists' places of employment and intimidating
> the hell out of both them and their employers?

HAHAHA!!!  How many "anti-racists" are actually employed, Kenny?

> How about that kidder, the Coward Metzger, inciting Nazi
> Skinheads into murdering a defenseless immigrant?

How about that kidder Morris Dees, who admitted that he wouldn't have been
able to win the case against the Metzgers on the facts alone?

> "Neo-Nazi," hell. "Neo" implies a "new and improved" version,
> when what you're talking about are the selfsame criminals and
> bullies that terrorized Germany.

So now we're over 60 years old?  WOW!
 
>>So much for excercising the First Amendment by passing out literature
>>that is not PC, i.e. Thought Crime.  And this is in the US! I'd hate
>>to see how oppresive Canada is.
> 
> 8 applications in 25 years - yup, that's oppressive as hell,
> eh, Yank?

More oppressive than the U.S.  Actually, it's good that the government is
willing to be so oppressive.

Ever see what happens to a pressure cooker when you close the vents?

-- 
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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Dec 12 13:37:46 PST 1995
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Steve Garza (sgarza@csubak.edu) writes:

(snip)

> I believe Les is a Neo-Nazi and he is not religious. We could be allies,
> but he views me as an enemy simply because I believe we can work to better
> all the races using eugenics. Ever heard of United We Stand, Divided We
> Fall, Les? We could form at least three states Les. One for whites only,
> one for those who want to continue in the traditional democratic Non-Nazi
> way, and the multi-racial Nazi state.

There's no such thing as a "multi-racial Nazi state".  You're dreaming, boy.

> Does that sound acceptable Les?

Hey, don't pitch your snake oil to me, I'm not buying.

Les




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Fresh816 (fresh816@aol.com) writes:
> Can you, with even the slightest bit of veracity, trace the "fault" of
> these diseases to the African people.  Way I see it, it's white people who
> brought AIDS out of Africa.  If you're interested in the most touted
> theory of how AIDS spread into the West, I'll post it, but I don't want to
> strain your brain unless your up for it.

Sure, jewboy.  Is that the one where the FAGGOT airline attendant brought
it over, presumably after packing the fudge with a bunch of African
faggots?  (whoops, I forgot -- he's "bisexual", as if there's a difference) 

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Dec 12 13:37:47 PST 1995
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lzaird (lzaird@io.org) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>... while you're drooling over negro achievements and contributions, would
>>you care to comment on two of the largest contributions from Africa?  I'm
>>talking, of course, about AIDS and Ebola.
> 
> Bubonic Plague... Wonderful little disease... Brought on by (wait for
> it) FILTH from Europe.  Cured with a little cleaning up, and mabye
> taking out the trash occasionally so that the rats couldn't breed.

Yep.  Europeans are smart enough to modify their habits when NOT modifying
them will result in death.  How many negroes in Africa are STILL screwing
around like nobody's business, regardless of the presence of AIDS?  How
many brothels are still open in Thailand and India despite AIDS?

> Brought to the new world, killed most of the Native population

1)  So?

2)  How about New World diseases that killed Europeans?

> and more than just a few newcommers.  Now, if that isn't acheivment, I
> don't know what is!  
> --
> lzaird's page http://www.io.org/~lzaird
> 
> ++++ stop the execution of Mumia Abu-Jamal ++++

Give up already.  Dey gonna roast dat boy!

Les






From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Dec 12 14:08:16 PST 1995
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George Graves (gmgraves@aimnet.com) writes:
> Les Griswold wrote:

(snip)

(they = liberals)
>> The "why" is simple:  they're afraid of superiority (or even notions of
>> it) because they know that THEY'RE, with few exceptions, wretched
>> inferiors who would NEVER cut the muster in a meritocracy.
>> 
>> > My contention is that brainwashing is at the bottom of this. Why else
>> > would all of these people work so hard to bring about something which
>> > is so absolutly NOT in their best interest?
>> > The next question to ask is if, indeed, this irrational liberalism and
>> > multiculturalism is a product of brainwashing, who would profit from
>> > a world reduced to such a base existance? Who was it who said "better
>> > by far to rule in hell, than to serve in heaven"?
>> 
>> But you're granting that there is a nobility to liberalism that Milton
>> imparted to Lucifer.  There isn't.  Most liberals are wretched little
>> crawling creatures who whine and snivel when confronted.  I've yet to see
>> (or even HEAR) of a liberal standing up like a man for his beliefs.
> 
> Not exactly nobility, Les. I was refering to the Jew. HE would rather rule
> in hell (the earth reduced to a wretched planet with everybody living in
> poverty except him and his) than serve in heaven. The Jew is the 
> brainwasher and it is in his best interest to bring everything down. He
> is using these poor, gullible, stupid liberals (which are his creations 
> anyway) to help spread his gospel. Monkey see on TV, Monkey do. 
> Appologies to Milton.

That's true enough.  H.L. Mencken (I think) once observed that the Semite
simply has no conception of how to rule fairly or justly; this is
encouraging, because it means that jews simply don't know how not to push
their arrogance to extremes, and it's going to piss off a LOT of people
(heck, it already has).

Les




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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu), demonstrating yet
again that perverse liberal fixation with regarding the past as immutable fact 
about the future, writes: 

(snip)

> Ahem . . . Hey, putz, read the following message from the racial theorist,
> formerly known as David Padgett, and look at the date:
> 
> --------------------begin archived message------------------
> 
> From: rtheorist@aol.com (R THEORIST)
> Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
> Subject: Re: They bed negresses, don't they?
> Date: 2 Aug 1995 21:12:37 -0400
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Indeed, Crazy, I was gonna say the same to you:  LOOK AT THE DATE!  That's
August 2, 1995.  That's four months in the past.  I can see, however, that
you're going to have a grand old time picking scabs.

Also, why aren't you bothering to post the bit where he renounced his
attraction to dark women?  Sorta punches a big hole in your argument,
doesn't it?  However, I'm not surprised that you don't believe him: 
liberals lie at every turn, so it's reasonable that they assume everyone
else does, too.

(big snip - Crazy getting her jollies with cut and paste)

> BTW, I'll also repost Marlow's message where he talked about sleeping with
> Black women:
> 
> ---------------begin archived message-------------------
> 
> From: marlow@scsn.net (Mark Thomas Gongloff)
> Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
> Subject: They bed negresses, don't they?
> Date: 30 Jul 1995 21:44:34 GMT
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> X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.93.11
> 
>         I have been monitoring the insipid rantings of RTheorist for some
> time now, and I feel compelled to at last defend the image of the southern
> white man from the slings and arrows of RTheorist's blubbering.
> 
>         It is a sad truth that fornication with negresses is a practice
> that is condoned, even encouraged, among southern white men.  I can still
> hear the schoolyard sayings:  "The blacker the berry, the sweeter the
> juice;" "I'm gonna get me some of that brown sugar;" "I'm gonna eat me
> some of that dark meat;" and "Black absorbs heat."
> 
>         It is also a sad truth that I, like many of my peers, spent many
> hours obtaining "knowledge" (in the biblical sense) of the bitches of that
> race of primates.
> 
>         However, we certainly did not take the cows out in public. 
> RTheorist should be grateful that the branches of his family tree are
> knotty and diseased; most self-respecting white fathers (with intelligence
> quotients in triple digits) would have promptly disowned a son who paraded
> a negress around as if she were a new Ford truck or a fresh rack of
> antlers.
> 
>         I also learned, fortunately, that fornication with lesser species
> only encourages the dissipation of our precious white genetic material.  I
> therefore ceased to screw negro wenches a long, long time ago.
> 
>         So, you mongrels that would attack us, please attack those of us
> of intelligence and proper breeding; you will thereby be fighting your
> real enemy, at least.  Drooling cretins like RTheorist do nothing but
> advance your cause.
> 
> ---------------------end archived message-------------

Hmm... I read a lot there about Marlow having learned better.  What IS it
with you people?  You'd make a terrible therapist, Crazy, always bringing
up someone's unpleasant past.  They admitted it, they also BOTH told us
that they had learned better.  Why do you feel the need to keep harping on
about something that they've both admitted not to doing anymore?

Les



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Rob Vanderkam (rvanderkam@synapse.net) writes:
> On Sun, 10 Dec 1995 11:42:06 GMT, Les Griswold said...
>>
>>Rob Vanderkam (rvanderkam@synapse.net) writes:
>>
>>>If integration is a failure, then go back to Europe,
>>> if that's where your ancestors come from. But where did they
>>> come from before that?
>>
>>This raises an interesting question:  if you're going to use the time
>>argument to justify repatriation, then how far back do we go?  Do we
>>remove the Capoids in South Africa from that country?  Just return the
>>whole damn thing to a verdant jungle, and let it all go to waste?
>>
>>This shows a typical liberal misunderstanding of the WP argument for
>>repatriation:  we don't want to repatriate the negroes because "we were
>>here first".  We want to repatriate the negroes because THEY DON'T BELONG
>>HERE, and they aren't wanted/don't fit in anywhere else except Africa.
> 
> Ah, finally. Some meat in a racist statement. I'd like to learn more as
> I'm unfamiliar with modern racist arguments.
> 
> Perhaps you would be so kind as to start by dealing with the two assumptions 
> in your argument.
> 
> Assumption #1) 
> One can draw a line between races. So please tell me how that's done.

Don't be silly.  Anyone who tells you that there is no substantive
difference between a negro and a white is full of it.  And please don't
start wailing about mulattoes, quadroons, octoroons, and the whole rest of
it.  Mulattoes are obviously neither white nor negro.

(just an interesting bit of trivia:  did you know that Peter Ustinov is
one-eigth negro, ie an octoroon?)

> Assumption #2)
> Someone has to decide who fits where. What is that decision based on?

Nice question, obviously meant as a stumbling block.  But it isn't.  Just
because not EVERYONE who's concerned about the survival of the White race
can clearly delimit EVERY CASE, doesn't make our concern any less valid,
nor does it mean that there's no such thing as an Aryan.  I would direct
you to Milton Kleim's excellent and comprehensive "National Socialist
Primer", which has a definition of Aryan that you can argue with to your
heart's content.

> Please take as much space as you need Les. > 

I did.

Les



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Subject: Re: What is an "Aryan": A question for so-called "white" people.
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Rob Vanderkam (rvanderkam@synapse.net) writes:
> On Sun, 10 Dec 1995 20:18:59 GMT, Milton Kleim said...
>>
>>Rob Vanderkam (rvanderkam@synapse.net) said to Whitewolf:
>>>
>>> Very revealing. I bet you cannot even define "Aryan". Why not show
>>> us I'm wrong?
>>
>>An "Aryan" is an individual descended from the autochthonous peoples of
>>the European countries, free of Levantine or Asiatic ancestry.
> 
> Hello Milton,
> 
> How do you know you don't have any "Asiatic" ancestry in YOUR blood?

Why do you suspect that he does?
 
> Did you know that it's most likely that the "Europeans" you speak of
> (I'm sure you mean Teutonic proto-Germans) were descended from the same 
> people who gave us the East Indians, the Iranians, the Pakistanis, and 
> the Italians and other Latins? That's where the term "Caucasian" comes 
> from. The ancestors of all these people seem to have come from the Caucasus
> Mountain region on the Europe-Asian border. 

Yes.  So?  Are you now going to tell us that the Dravidian refuse that
squats on the shores of the Ganges are TRUE Aryans?
 
> Also, it seems that migration of ideas, trade goods, language, and 
> blood (by inter-marriage), and not just distinct peoples, was common 
> throughout man's pre-history. The Caucasian migrations spread the 
> source of teutonic culture all through the mediterranan world, the 
> middle east, and northern Europe. And before it did that, it seems 
> they came FROM the middle east out of Africa.

"...it seems".  Could you be a little harsher in your statements?  After
all, this sort of wishy-washyness is atypical of liberals.
 
> The only thing separating the blackest black from the whitest white is
> a million shades of gray. There is no hard line.
> 
> Also, please define 
> 
> -autochthonous
> -European countries
> -Levantine
> -Asiatic
> 
> Why? Because it sounds like you don't know. It sounds like you are just
> using geneo-babble to try to define a group of people to include the 
> ones you want while discluding the ones you don't want, just like in
> a club. I don't see any biological or geographical reality in your
> answer. So define the words and start explaining why I shouldn't 
> think you are making it all up.

No, it sounds like you're too lazy to look them up on your own.
 
Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Dec 12 14:08:19 PST 1995
Article: 10361 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Hey, Civilized Man...
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Rob Kowalewski (robk@rio.com) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>> ... while you're drooling over negro achievements and contributions, would
>> you care to comment on two of the largest contributions from Africa?  I'm
>> talking, of course, about AIDS and Ebola.

> Not that CM needs any help in dealing with you, Les, But I should point
> something out (in the interest of accuracy)-
> 
> The US Centers for Disease Control, at the start of the AIDS outbreak, was
> able to track down the first modern documented case of the disease (whom
> they called *Patient Zero*). He turned out to be FRENCH CANADIAN male
> flight attendant.

Re-read my original message, Wobbie.  I said it was CONTRIBUTED by Africa,
ie that's where it ORIGINATED.  A faggot flight attendant doesn't exactly
help your case any, big fella.  So now we're supposed to forgive Africans
because a pervert brought the disease over?

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Dec 13 12:23:40 PST 1995
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Subject: Re: Black Africans will evolve and adapt to modern society.
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Marcus W. Marlow (marlow@scsn.net) writes:
> In article <30CC9254.B47@scott.net>, evil Beavis  
> wrote:
>>Les Griswold wrote:
>>> No, Africans who were savages a few generations ago are STILL 
>>>savages, only now they have automatic weapons to make them BETTER 
>>>savages.
>>
>>
>>And trash from Canada, like you, was probably trash a few generations 
>>>ago as well...
>>
>>eB
> 
> 	And retards from high school, like evilBeavis, were probably 
> retards from grammar school a few years ago, as well...

You're being too kind.  You're assuming that evil "Foot-boy" Beavis has
the wherewithall upstairs to actually PASS Grade Three.

> 	In Service,
> 
> 	Col. Marcus W. Marlow
> 
> 	"Working around the CLOC for the White Race"

Les



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Dec 13 12:23:42 PST 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: WHAT PATTON SAID (was: Is Griswold making things up again?)
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Michael P. Stein (mstein@access5.digex.net) writes:

(snip)

>     Perhaps, but certainly not as many as Les Griswold.  (I'll bet Patton
> never said that Hitler was tall and blond.) Note that Les gives no source
> for his quote.  Not that it necessarily helps - when he gave a source for
> his supposed interracial rape statistics, it did not say what he claimed. 

Here's just a sample for you:

(Gen. Patton attended a jewish religious service at "General" Eisenhower's
insistence)

"This happened to be the feast of Yom Kippur, so they were all collected
in a large, wooden building, which they called a synagogue, which was
packed with the greatest mass of stinking humanity I have ever seen.  When
we got about halfway up, the head rabbi, who was dressed in a fur hat
similar to that worn by Henry VIII of England and in a surplice heavily
embroidered and very filthy, came down and met the General... The smell
was so terrible that I almost fainted and actually lost my lunch as the
result of remembering it." -- Gen. Patton's diary, Sept. 17, 1945

(regarding the plan to turn over German houses to jews after the War):

"Evidently the virus started by Morgenthau and Baruch of a Semitic revenge
against all Germans is still working.  Harrison [a U.S. State Department
official] and his associates indicate that they feel German civilians
should be removed from houses for the purpose of housing Displaced
Persons.  There are two errors in this assumption.  First, when we remove
an individual German we punish an individual German, while the punishment
is not intended for the individual but the race.  Furthermore, it is
against my Anglo-Saxon conscience to remove a person from a house, which
is a punishment without due process of law.  In the second place, Harrison
and his ilk believe that the Displace Person is a human being, which he is
not, and this applies particularly to the Jews, who are lower than
animals." -- also from Gen. Patton's diary, Sept. 1945.

>     Given his history of false claims, until and unless Les documents this
> with a source that checks out, I shall simply assume he got it from the
> same source he gets so many of his other assertions - the fevered delusion
> factory between his ears. 

Translation:  "If it's not what I want to hear, I'll moan long and loud
about the source."
 
>     By the way, I rather doubt that Patton's opinion of Griswold would
> have been very favorable. 

Possibly.  But Gen. Patton's opinion of me is not under discussion.  His
opinion of jews is.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Dec 13 13:24:25 PST 1995
Article: 7778 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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Subject: Thank GOD! (was: Les has nothing in common with me?)
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Steve Garza (sgarza@csubak.edu) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:

>> > If people use a little
>> > restraint and can be convinced of changing their mating practices, then
>> > the goals that both you and I desire will be attainable.
>> 
>> Stevie, I have news for you:  we have NOTHING in common,
> 
> No? More than 85% of my ancestry came from Europe. My mother is as white
> as anyone. I have Spanish, French, GERMAN, and American Indian ancestry.
> So some of my ancestors could have been building praymids in the new world
> and developing a culture while your's were being handed it.

... and hunting, torturing, killing, and eating each other.  You see,
Stevie, the indians were, shall we say, homophagus, ie man-eaters?

And while you're waxing grandiose on the supposed past glories of your
woo-woo indian ancestors, take a look at where they are TODAY, especially
in comparison to the White race.  We can and have put men on the moon,
pushed medicine to unheard-of heights, etc.  While your red-skin savage
ancestors are sitting around, drinking Aqua-Net and bitching about "land
claims".
 
> Furthermore, who was it who called to the Austrian Archduke Maximillion to
> take the throne of Mexico? That archbishop of Mexico was a Garza. Look it
> up. It was the rebels in Mexico who opposed that version of the Catholic
> church who rose up against them and killed poor old Max and overthrew not
> only the current leaders of the church, but did away with titles of
> nobility and the like.

And what is Mexico today?  A fucking dump, to which I wouldn't send a dog.
 
> My family in the new world can be traced back eight generations to one
> Blas Maria de la Garza Falcon who was an early settler of Carmargo Mexico.
> How long have you been here Les?

Long enough, bub.
 
(snip)

>> Stevie, just because you talk like us sometimes, you can't join the club. 
>> Or, in other words, just because YOU classify yourself as a "fascist", and
>> some Nervous Nellies will call anyone to the right of Slick Willie a
>> "fascist", doesn't mean diddly to us.
> 
> No Les. Maybe I don't want you allied to me. I'm sure there are real
> thinkers out there who really understand how eugenics is meant to work.

I guess this is where I'm supposed to be heart-broken that a beaner
wanna-be fascist doesn't like me?

Les





From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Dec 13 13:24:26 PST 1995
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Subject: Re: Black Africans will evolve and adapt to modern society.
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Stewart King (slking@scws34.harvard.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:

(snip)

> : WHICH part of this don't you understand?  If you take SUPERIOR White
> : males, and cross-breed them willy-nilly with anything that has two legs, a
> : hole and a pulse, you're only controlling HALF of the genes that go into
> : it.  That's hardly eugenics, or at least, hardly GOOD eugenics.
> 
> The first problem with this is finding SUPERIOR White males.

You're a laugh-riot.  You seriously expect me to believe that, say, Dolph
Lundgren is not superior to, say, Dom DeLuise?

> The second thing is, from a eugenics point of view, controlling half the
> genes is better than controlling none.

Yes, but controlling ALL the genes would be FAR better than just
controlling half of them.  Why are you unable to see that?

> What would be "better eugenics"?  Just killing people?

*sigh*  No, Stewie...

Preventing people with bad/undesirable genes from breeding.  No killing is
necessary.  Why do you liberals have to put the worst possible spin on
ANYTHING that you don't agree with?  Congenital defects can be prevented
>from  passing on their defects to posterity, WITHOUT discomfitting them
significantly.

(I know, I know, at this point some liberal ninny [or pehaps many] will
jump up and scream that I would deny ANYONE their "right" to breed.  Well,
what about my right not to be taxed into ruination to support the helpless
results of two wretches mating?)

(snip)

> : You know, Stewie, I used to think you were kind of funny.  Now I just
> : think that you're a craven coward who'd sell  out the honour of his race
> : and women anytime that he was physically intimidated.
> 
> I'm just as realistic as you people.  If anyone of any color or gender were 
> to be threatened while in my company, I'd do anything I could to protect 
> them.  I'm an equal-opportunity tough guy.  That's not saying much since 
> I'm also a scrawny academic wretch, but it's not that I'm a weasel.  

Sure, sure.  I get a real kick out of this tough-guy hyper-individualism
that you liberals espouse:  "If I saw ANYBODY, of ANY race, making
trouble, I'd get involved!  ALL races commit crime!"  But you know in your
putrid hearts, even though you won't admit it, that negroes commit FAR
MORE violent crime.
 
> On the other hand, I actually look for the sources of the violence in 
> society rather than writing it off to the "nature" of some of the people 
> involved (conspicuously not one's own).  

So you're wrong.  It wouldn't be the first time.  The nature of a person
has a LOT to do with whether he's likely to commit a crime (esp. a violent
one).
 
> : > (this is all assuming it's all genetic)  Aaaaand...
> 
> : Try, with a straight face, to tell us that it's not.
> 
> I actually do think a lot of aspects of intelligence are genetic.  Racial 
> genetic superiority isn't a concept that makes sense to me, though.

So?  Does everything have to pass your A-OK before it can be true, now? 
The arrogance of you liberals is amazing.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Dec 13 14:21:22 PST 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Crazy Jeannie's so STUPID! (was: WP Race-Traitors)
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Marcus W. Marlow (marlow@scsn.net) writes:
> In article ,
>    bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>>Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu), demonstrating 
>>yet again that perverse liberal fixation with regarding the past as 
>>immutable fact about the future...
> 
> and... 
> 
>>Indeed, Crazy, I was gonna say the same to you:  LOOK AT THE DATE!  
>>That's August 2, 1995.  That's four months in the past.  I can see, 
>>however, that you're going to have a grand old time picking scabs.
>>
>>Also, why aren't you bothering to post the bit where he renounced his
>>attraction to dark women?  Sorta punches a big hole in your argument,
>>doesn't it?  
> 
> 	Hang it up, Mr. Griswold.  The real problem here is that these 
> baboons haven't gotten any fresh material from their jewish handlers 
> since August, so they've been in a holding pattern for months.  Does 
> any of the following sound familiar?
> 
> 	"Have you stopped fucking your dog yet, Doogie?"
> 
> 	"Les = Sylvie = etc. = etc."
> 
> 	"Racial Theorist = Marlow = etc. = etc."
> 
> 	"Racial Theorist likes black chicks."
> 
> 	"Free Mumia Abu-Jamal."
> 
> 	Any of that sound familiar?  It should, and so should a lot of 
> the other diarrhea they trail through this newsgroup.	I've just 
> stopped reading the morons altogether; and I'll continue to killfile 
> them until someone tells me they've gotten some fresh material from the 
> Zionist Anti-Defamation League, or wherever the hell it comes from.

Yes, I suppose you're right.  The liberals have to keep up reflecting on
their old gossip, because it's beyond their mental capacities to come up
with anything new.

I suppose I really should be kinder to dumb animals.

> 	In Service,
> 
> 	Col. Marcus W. Marlow
> 
> 	"Working around the CLOC for the White Race"

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Dec 13 14:21:23 PST 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: If Whites are so superior...
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Frank Weltner (potato@mo.net) writes:
> I don't get this anti-Jew thing. After all Einstein was a Jew. A lot of
> scientists are Jews. Many doctors are Jews.
> 
> What's the problem? These aren't scum. These are successful people. 
> 
> They have given the Western World far more than they have taken from it,
> which is alot more than you can say about the blacks who take, take, take.

Sorry, Potato, but you're not gonna get the jews onside with THAT.

Les



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Dec 14 00:46:35 PST 1995
Article: 10576 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Why do racists shy away from jews?
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This really puzzles me, why people who are right on the money about
negroes twist and turn to avoid telling the truth about jews.  I can think
of three reasons:

1)  They're AFRAID of the jews, and have a pretty good idea of what will
happen to them if they openly criticize God's Self-Chosen People.

2)  They're ENVIOUS of the jews, and would like to have such a
materialistically successful people on board.  Niggers are okay to
discriminate against, because they haven't got the financial clout of jews.

3)  For whatever reason, they believe in DECEPTION.  They either believe
that they will one day pull the rug out from under the jews, or they think
that they can avoid the semitic labels (ie, name-calling, such as "racist"
and "anti-semite!") by kissying up to the jews.

Les



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Dec 14 09:18:12 PST 1995
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Michael P. Stein (mstein@access2.digex.net) writes:
>     Alt.skinheads removed from followups.
> 
> In article ,
> "Human Being" Les Griswold  wrote:
>>Michael P. Stein (mstein@access5.digex.net) writes:
>>> Note that Les gives no source for his quote.
> 
>>Here's just a sample for you:
>>
>>(Gen. Patton attended a jewish religious service at "General" Eisenhower's
>>insistence)                                          ^^^^^^^
> 
>     Eisenhower wasn't a general?

He may have held the rank, but compare "General" Eisenhower to General
Patton.  Which one more typifies the word?
   
>>"This happened to be the feast of Yom Kippur,
> 
>     Stop right here.  What you originally wrote was: 
> 
>> That's funny.  Really, it is.  And jews in the shtetls didn't know how to
>> wash themselves, period.  Gen. Patton said that Orthodox Jews were a bunch
>> of pigs who stank.
> 
>     It's not a case of not knowing how to wash.  On Yom Kippur (which is a
> fast day, not a feast day!) it is not permitted.  I suppose I cannot
> fairly blame you or Patton for not knowing this - a reasonable number of
> Jews do not know this. 

Mikey, Mikey, Mikey...

Not washing for one day (or even several) will not make one, one's
clothes, filthy, nor will it create a stench powerful enough to make a
fighting man puke.
 
>     Of course, it wouldn't have helped that this was in a DP camp right
> after a war, when luxury items such as soap might have been in short
> supply (as they had been throughout the war, most especially for Jews).  I
> _do_ blame you for not taking this into consideration.  I'm sure there
> were days during the campaign when Patton himself didn't exactly smell
> like Chanel #5.  But of course, you'll say that's excusable.  When it's a
> JOO, however, the tiny Griswold "mind" can only conclude that it's because
> the person is a JOO. 

No, I won't.  However, any NORMAL, DECENT person, upon attaining freedom
>from  confinement, would wash.  It's a psychological thing, but then again,
all bets are off when we're talking about jews.

>     Oh, and I'd advise you not to look too closely at the history of
> personal hygiene in Europe among your noble white brethren.  It might be
> too damaging to your delicate little Aryan psyche.

Not quite, Mikey.  See, we Europeans have learned the benefits of keeping
clean.

Maybe you should join Crazy Jeannie in her obstinate refusal to
acknowledge time, and how what Europeans did centuries ago is NOT what
they do now.

(snip)

>>>     By the way, I rather doubt that Patton's opinion of Griswold would
>>> have been very favorable. 
>>
>>Possibly.  But Gen. Patton's opinion of me is not under discussion.
> 
>     Who died and made you supreme dictator of what will and won't be
> discussed? 

If you want to start a string about how Patton would have felt about me,
then go right ahead.  Of course, as a typical jew, you'd rather usurp and
pervert something originated by a White man, so I guess it's up to us to
startr what you obviously can't.

>>His opinion of jews is. > 
>      So what?  What is it about Gen. Patton - you know, the fellow who
> abused a hospitalized soldier with a 102 degree fever as a malingerer -
> that makes his opinion infallible?  I could cite many famous people who
> would have an opinion of what you stand for that would make Patton's
> opinions of Jews look positively glowing.  Would you accept that as
> evidence that you are wrong?  Of course not - your stupidity and hypocrisy
> are invincible. 

Getting kind of huffy, there, Mikey.  Proof positive that the subject is
hitting close to home (for you lurkers, whenever a jew starts losing it,
that means you're really getting under his skin).

But no, I never said that Patton's opinions were infallible, just that
they happened to agree with mine.  As for your slurs against Gen. Patton,
why don't *you* provide a little evidence, as you've admitted that I have
done?

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Dec 14 10:09:25 PST 1995
Article: 7868 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Black Africans will evolve and adapt to modern society.
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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:
> * > Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
 
> * > : You're a laugh-riot.  You seriously expect me to believe that, say, Dolph
> * > : Lundgren is not superior to, say, Dom DeLuise?
 
> * Why should you? Granted, Dolph may be physically superior to Deluise, but
> * can you say that he is mentally superior?
> 
> Okay, guys -- it's time for a reality check using LesLogic (tm). Les said this:
> 
> ---------------Les begins to trip on his dick here-------------
> 
> From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
> Subject: Re: Liberals egos...
> Message-ID: 
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> 
> Stewart King (slking@scws43.harvard.edu) writes:
>> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
>> 
>> : Liberals think that we really give two shits in a snowstorm what they do,
>> : and they seem to think that they're really trumping us when they tell us
>> : that they're off to engage in some heavy-duty race-mixing.  
>> 
>> Well, you asked.
> 
> We never did.  So why the angst that you guys show, thinking you've got us
> hoist over a crocodile pit by telling us that you're going/already have
> miscegenated?  See, what you fail to understand is, that WANTING to engage
> in racial mixing is proof of moral and physical degeneracy.  Already
> having done so is _prima facie_ evidence of genetic inferiority, and we
> don't miss you one bit.  What the hell should we care about some softy lib
> having bred his/her genes out of the White race, for once and for all?
> 
> ------------------end of message excerpt----------------
> 
> Now, anybody who can remember back a few years knows that "superior" Dolph
> and his equally superior brother were both having a torrid affair with
> Grace Jones, an African-American actress, model, and singer. (Grace and
> Dolph were both in the James Bond film "View to a Kill.") These guys were
> race-mixers, and now Les claims that they're superior. 
> 
> Uh oh, Les. You have some explaining to do. Are the Lundgren brothers
> Aryan, White, or white, or are they just moral, physical and genetic
> degenerates? Huh?

Once again, Crazy demonstrates that someone's past must be forever held
over their heads, a scarlet letter as it were.

"A few years ago."  Is that the best you can do, Crazy?  

(BTW, I don't remember seeing Dolph in "View to a Kill".  Where was he?)

Les





From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Dec 14 10:09:28 PST 1995
Article: 7889 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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Subject: Re: Black Africans will evolve and adapt to modern society.
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Richard Marquez (gmarquez@netcom.com) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : (I know, I know, at this point some liberal ninny [or pehaps many] will
> : jump up and scream that I would deny ANYONE their "right" to breed.  Well,
> : what about my right not to be taxed into ruination to support the helpless
> : results of two wretches mating?)                                  ^^^^^^^^
>   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> If I'm reading you correctly, Les, you're against supporting the "helpless
> results of two wretches maiting", even if they are BOTH 'White' wretches.
> 
> Correct?

Correct...
 
> And you would be quite fine with a product of race mixing that was a
> productive member of society (for example, ME).
> 
> Correct?

Wrong-o, fuck-nuts.  Geez, how many times do we have to go over this...?

RACE-MIXING IS WRONG.  PERIOD.
 
Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Dec 14 10:18:47 PST 1995
Article: 10580 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Technological inferiority = moral superiority
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George Graves (gmgraves@aimnet.com) writes:
> Les Griswold wrote:

(snip)

>> That's true enough.  H.L. Mencken (I think) once observed that the Semite
>> simply has no conception of how to rule fairly or justly; this is
>> encouraging, because it means that jews simply don't know how not to push
>> their arrogance to extremes, and it's going to piss off a LOT of people
>> (heck, it already has).

Sorry, that observation about the semites' inability to rule fairly was
made by Ezra Pound.  H.L. Mencken did say something that was really funny,
though, and very true:

"The case against the Jews is long and damning; it would justify ten
thousand times as many pogroms as now go on in the world."

> Well, history tells us that the Eternal Jew, eventually overplays his hand.
> He has been trying to rule the world for 2000 years. Every country that
> he has ever infested, has gone along with him to some point, and then 
> either tried to kill the entire lot, or thrown their asses out. Let's hope
> the evil thing stumbles this time as well.

There's no need to hope.  The jews will fuck up again, just like they have
before, just like they can't HELP but doing. 

> He is closer to winning this time than ever before, however because he has,
> using his power in media, created several generations of brainwashed minions
> called "liberals" who unwittingly and unthinkingly do his bidding.

That's true, but the jews have always had _shabbas goy_ to do their bidding, 
and the concept of mercenaries is an old one.  What's really going to be
funny, though, will be seeing how fast the liberal fellow-travellers abandon 
their erstewhile hebrew companions when they finally realize that they're 
backing a loser.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Dec 14 12:51:51 PST 1995
Article: 10580 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Technological inferiority = moral superiority
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George Graves (gmgraves@aimnet.com) writes:
> Les Griswold wrote:

(snip)

>> That's true enough.  H.L. Mencken (I think) once observed that the Semite
>> simply has no conception of how to rule fairly or justly; this is
>> encouraging, because it means that jews simply don't know how not to push
>> their arrogance to extremes, and it's going to piss off a LOT of people
>> (heck, it already has).

Sorry, that observation about the semites' inability to rule fairly was
made by Ezra Pound.  H.L. Mencken did say something that was really funny,
though, and very true:

"The case against the Jews is long and damning; it would justify ten
thousand times as many pogroms as now go on in the world."

> Well, history tells us that the Eternal Jew, eventually overplays his hand.
> He has been trying to rule the world for 2000 years. Every country that
> he has ever infested, has gone along with him to some point, and then 
> either tried to kill the entire lot, or thrown their asses out. Let's hope
> the evil thing stumbles this time as well.

There's no need to hope.  The jews will fuck up again, just like they have
before, just like they can't HELP but doing. 

> He is closer to winning this time than ever before, however because he has,
> using his power in media, created several generations of brainwashed minions
> called "liberals" who unwittingly and unthinkingly do his bidding.

That's true, but the jews have always had _shabbas goy_ to do their bidding, 
and the concept of mercenaries is an old one.  What's really going to be
funny, though, will be seeing how fast the liberal fellow-travellers abandon 
their erstewhile hebrew companions when they finally realize that they're 
backing a loser.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Dec 15 07:15:52 PST 1995
Article: 16107 of alt.revisionism
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Subject: Re: WHAT PATTON SAID (was: Is Griswold making things up again?)
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Ken McVay OBC (kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca), wanting to join the "I can't tell
time" club, writes: 
> In article , 
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 

(snip)

>>Not washing for one day (or even several) will not make one, one's
>>clothes, filthy, nor will it create a stench powerful enough to make a
>>fighting man puke.
> 
> Read some European history, Mr. Griswold.. there was a time
> when the "noble families" of Europe, "white" to the core,
> stunk like last year's garbage. 

"... there was a time".  I think that says it all, Kenny.  When's the last
time an entire race forsook basic hygiene?

(snip)

> Sorry, but "normal, decent" folks during that period also
> stunk to high heaven, I suspect, there being no running water
> in many cities because of the destruction, and your vaunted
> ancestors didn't believe in bathing for centuries..

Even assuming your vile slanders are true, Mr. McOyVay, the point is,
when's the last time you heard of Europeans grunging out?
 
>>Not quite, Mikey.  See, we Europeans have learned the benefits of keeping
>>clean.
> 
> Can you spell "plague," Mr. Griswold?
> Syphilis?

Can you spell "centuries ago"?

> I thought not.

I thought not.
 
-- 
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From stefan@scott.net Fri Dec 15 07:15:57 PST 1995
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From: evil Beavis 
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Les Griswold wrote:
> 
> Marcus W. Marlow (marlow@scsn.net) writes:
> > In article <30CC9254.B47@scott.net>, evil Beavis 
> > wrote:
> >>Les Griswold wrote:
> >>> No, Africans who were savages a few generations ago are STILL
> >>>savages, only now they have automatic weapons to make them BETTER
> >>>savages.
> >>
> >>
> >>And trash from Canada, like you, was probably trash a few generations
> >>>ago as well...
> >>
> >>eB
> >
> >       And retards from high school, like evilBeavis, were probably
> > retards from grammar school a few years ago, as well...
> 
> You're being too kind.  You're assuming that evil "Foot-boy" Beavis has
> the wherewithall upstairs to actually PASS Grade Three.


And what, praytell, is your "educational" background Les?

eB


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Dec 15 09:50:01 PST 1995
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Steve Garza (sgarza@csubak.edu) writes:
> In article , moo@value.net (Bryan
> Cowan) wrote:

(snip)

>> Are you related to that Garza who was the archbishop of Mexico? 
> 
> To tell the truth, I honestly have no idea. I do know that some of my
> ancestors were weathly and lived in southern Texas in the Brownville
> region long ago. That's kind of interesting though, because that's where
> the revolutionary junta that overthrew Max and the Archbiship were located
> for a while.

Translation:  I like the name and the mystique, so I'll go for fame by
association.  I won't make any claims that people may call me on, and
embarass the hell out of me.  I'll just drop hints, and let them assume.
 
>> As for me, I haven't been here *that* long. The Cowans in America date
>> back to around 1720 or so, and the Mutschlers (whom I most look like) only
>> go back to the 1840's in America. No matter how you look at it, the
>> homeland of the White/Aryan people is in Europe, not America.
> 
> Yeah Les! If you don't have no "injin" blood, perhaps you ought to go back
> "home."

I AM home.  The home MY ancestors built, WITHOUT any vital contributions
by your filthy indian ancestors.

Les



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Les Griswold wrote:
> Wrong-o, fuck-nuts.  Geez, how many times do we have to go over this...?
> 
> RACE-MIXING IS WRONG.  PERIOD.


Says who? A frightened loser like you, unable to deal with the real world?? I 
think you confuse the detrimental effects of inbreeding (which your parents 
obviously practiced) with "race-mixing"...

eB


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Steve Garza (sgarza@csubak.edu) writes:
> In article , moo@value.net (Bryan
> Cowan) wrote:

(snip)

>> Are you related to that Garza who was the archbishop of Mexico? 
> 
> To tell the truth, I honestly have no idea. I do know that some of my
> ancestors were weathly and lived in southern Texas in the Brownville
> region long ago. That's kind of interesting though, because that's where
> the revolutionary junta that overthrew Max and the Archbiship were located
> for a while.

Translation:  I like the name and the mystique, so I'll go for fame by
association.  I won't make any claims that people may call me on, and
embarass the hell out of me.  I'll just drop hints, and let them assume.
 
>> As for me, I haven't been here *that* long. The Cowans in America date
>> back to around 1720 or so, and the Mutschlers (whom I most look like) only
>> go back to the 1840's in America. No matter how you look at it, the
>> homeland of the White/Aryan people is in Europe, not America.
> 
> Yeah Les! If you don't have no "injin" blood, perhaps you ought to go back
> "home."

I AM home.  The home MY ancestors built, WITHOUT any vital contributions
by your filthy indian ancestors.

Les



From stefan@scott.net Fri Dec 15 10:13:33 PST 1995
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Les Griswold wrote:
> Wrong-o, fuck-nuts.  Geez, how many times do we have to go over this...?
> 
> RACE-MIXING IS WRONG.  PERIOD.


Says who? A frightened loser like you, unable to deal with the real world?? I 
think you confuse the detrimental effects of inbreeding (which your parents 
obviously practiced) with "race-mixing"...

eB


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Dec 16 08:39:08 PST 1995
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Rajiv K. Gandhi (anakin@pinc.com) writes:
> In article <4apn2k$ja@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>, kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca
> (Ken McVay OBC) wrote:
> 
>  >Not washing for one day (or even several) will not make one, one's
>> >clothes, filthy, nor will it create a stench powerful enough to make a
>> >fighting man puke.
>> 
>> Read some European history, Mr. Griswold.. there was a time
>> when the "noble families" of Europe, "white" to the core,
>> stunk like last year's garbage. 
> 
> It was said that one of the favorite games of the attendants of Marie
> Antoinette was to count the lice crawling around her neck.

Unsubstantiated lies.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Dec 16 08:39:09 PST 1995
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Subject: Another pissed-off lib (was: Black Africans will evolve and adapt ...)
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Steve Garza (sgarza@csubak.edu) writes:
> In article <4aq5iu$p94@news3.cts.com>, brittell@cts.com (Daren Brittell) wrote:
> 
> 
>  
>> >Give me eight more months and that will be a retard in Graduate School.
> Thank 
>> >you very much...
>> 
>> Thank integration for lowering the standards that allowed you to be
>> able to make it to grad school.
> 
> And given these lower standards, are you in graduate school? Do you even
> have a bachelor's degree?
> 
> How come Les doesn't have a Ph D? Or do you Doctor Les? Hey everybody,
> that's his nickname now. Dr. Les, professor of buttheadology.

Gotcha!  Arf, arf!

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Dec 16 08:39:10 PST 1995
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Michael P. Stein (mstein@access5.digex.net) writes:
> In article ,
> Les Griswold  wrote:
>>Michael P. Stein (mstein@access2.digex.net) writes:
>>> 
>>> In article ,
>>> "Human Being" Les Griswold  wrote:
> 
>>>     Eisenhower wasn't a general?
>>
>>He may have held the rank, but compare "General" Eisenhower to General
>>Patton.  Which one more typifies the word?
> 
>     Patton was a brilliant tactician.  Eisenhower was a strategist.  
> Tacticians win battles.  Strategists win wars.

Nice semantic dance, Mikey.  But answer my question, why don't you?  Which
of the two men, Eisenhower or Patton, does one think of when the word
"general" is mentioned?  Of course, we're not expecting a straight answer
out of the likes of you.

Les


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Dec 16 08:52:22 PST 1995
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Richard Marquez (gmarquez@netcom.com) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:

(snip)

> : RACE-MIXING IS WRONG.  PERIOD.
> 
> Seeing as YOU are not Christian Identity, what's YOUR gripe about 
> "race-mixing"?

My race is my religion.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Dec 16 08:55:39 PST 1995
Article: 10917 of alt.politics.white-power
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Richard Marquez (gmarquez@netcom.com) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:

(snip)

> : RACE-MIXING IS WRONG.  PERIOD.
> 
> Seeing as YOU are not Christian Identity, what's YOUR gripe about 
> "race-mixing"?

My race is my religion.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Dec 16 09:35:23 PST 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: HOMOS MOLEST KIDS (Was: Re: I'm White and I'm Oppressed!)
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evil "Foot-boy" Beavis (stefan@scott.net) writes:
> Anonymous wrote:
>> >: "Although homosexuals represent only between 1 and 4 percent of the entire
>> >:  population (up to 2 percent exclusively homosexual; and 2 percent casual
>> >:  bisexuals), studies based on ample U.S. data tell us that they perpetrate
>> >:  between one-third and one-half of all child molestations 

> Gee, and I wonder how many of these homo child molesters are good ol' white 
> trash?! What do you think the ethnic breakdown of NAMBLA is? (Hint: almost 
> exclusively caucasian). Because a group is disproportionately represented in 
> a group of crimes doesn't mean you can draw the conclusion that all members 
> of that group commit those crimes. But, this is exactly how you idiots reason 
> about blacks and crime...

Beaver, Beaver, Beaver...

When will you understand that sissified city dwelling semitophiles are NOT
White?  Nor are jews.

Considering how resistant you are to reason, probably never.

Les



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Dec 16 11:00:52 PST 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: HOMOS MOLEST KIDS (Was: Re: I'm White and I'm Oppressed!)
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evil "Foot-boy" Beavis (stefan@scott.net) writes:
> Anonymous wrote:
>> >: "Although homosexuals represent only between 1 and 4 percent of the entire
>> >:  population (up to 2 percent exclusively homosexual; and 2 percent casual
>> >:  bisexuals), studies based on ample U.S. data tell us that they perpetrate
>> >:  between one-third and one-half of all child molestations 

> Gee, and I wonder how many of these homo child molesters are good ol' white 
> trash?! What do you think the ethnic breakdown of NAMBLA is? (Hint: almost 
> exclusively caucasian). Because a group is disproportionately represented in 
> a group of crimes doesn't mean you can draw the conclusion that all members 
> of that group commit those crimes. But, this is exactly how you idiots reason 
> about blacks and crime...

Beaver, Beaver, Beaver...

When will you understand that sissified city dwelling semitophiles are NOT
White?  Nor are jews.

Considering how resistant you are to reason, probably never.

Les



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Dec 16 16:47:54 PST 1995
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Ken McVay OBC (kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca) writes:
> In article , 
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>>Ken McVay OBC (kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca), wanting to 
> join the "I can't tell time" club, writes: 
> 
>>> Read some European history, Mr. Griswold.. there was a time
>>> when the "noble families" of Europe, "white" to the core,
>>> stunk like last year's garbage. 
> 
>>"... there was a time".  I think that says it all, Kenny.  When's the last
>>time an entire race forsook basic hygiene?
> 
> During the Nazi era, Mr. Griswold, when attempts were made to
> herd (and I use that word quite deliberately) an entire
> cultural group into extermination camps, where they were
> denied the most basic hygenic conditions, and immediately
> following that era, Mr. Griswold, when such conditions had not
> yet been restored.

Oh, boo-hoo-hoo (sound of violins wailing).  Your attempts to make excuses
for the jews, who were slobs before the Nazis rounded them up to put them
in CONCENTRATION camps, not EXTERMINATION camps, is sickening.  What WON'T
you do for your supper, Mr. McOyVay?

-- 
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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Dec 16 21:42:40 PST 1995
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Ken McVay OBC (kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca) writes:
> In article , 
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>>Ken McVay OBC (kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca), wanting to 
> join the "I can't tell time" club, writes: 
> 
>>> Read some European history, Mr. Griswold.. there was a time
>>> when the "noble families" of Europe, "white" to the core,
>>> stunk like last year's garbage. 
> 
>>"... there was a time".  I think that says it all, Kenny.  When's the last
>>time an entire race forsook basic hygiene?
> 
> During the Nazi era, Mr. Griswold, when attempts were made to
> herd (and I use that word quite deliberately) an entire
> cultural group into extermination camps, where they were
> denied the most basic hygenic conditions, and immediately
> following that era, Mr. Griswold, when such conditions had not
> yet been restored.

Oh, boo-hoo-hoo (sound of violins wailing).  Your attempts to make excuses
for the jews, who were slobs before the Nazis rounded them up to put them
in CONCENTRATION camps, not EXTERMINATION camps, is sickening.  What WON'T
you do for your supper, Mr. McOyVay?

-- 
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                   Voice-mail: 1(304) 653-4600
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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Dec 17 09:21:10 PST 1995
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Ken McVay OBC (kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca) writes:
> In article , 
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>>Ken McVay OBC (kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca), wanting to 
> join the "I can't tell time" club, writes: 
> 
>>> Read some European history, Mr. Griswold.. there was a time
>>> when the "noble families" of Europe, "white" to the core,
>>> stunk like last year's garbage. 
> 
>>"... there was a time".  I think that says it all, Kenny.  When's the last
>>time an entire race forsook basic hygiene?
> 
> During the Nazi era, Mr. Griswold, when attempts were made to
> herd (and I use that word quite deliberately) an entire
> cultural group into extermination camps, where they were
> denied the most basic hygenic conditions, and immediately
> following that era, Mr. Griswold, when such conditions had not
> yet been restored.

Oh, boo-hoo-hoo (sound of violins wailing).  Your attempts to make excuses
for the jews, who were slobs before the Nazis rounded them up to put them
in CONCENTRATION camps, not EXTERMINATION camps, is sickening.  What WON'T
you do for your supper, Mr. McOyVay?

-- 
     The National Alliance WebPage: http://www.natvan.com
                   Voice-mail: 1(304) 653-4600
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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Dec 17 09:21:19 PST 1995
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Frank Weltner (potato@mo.net) writes:
> In article <4aonqo$3lt@atlas.uniserve.com>, hostrov@uniserve.com (Hilary
> Ostrov) wrote:
> 
> :In <4aohlt$1q1@news3.cts.com>, brittell@cts.com (Daren Brittell)
> :wrote:
> :
> :>ncrccjc@ibm.net wrote:
> :
> :>>Are you writing through personal experience?
> :
> :>Yep.  I've committed the horrible atrocity of Thought Crime, and my
> :>opressors have seen fit to harrass me and try and get me fired for it.
> :
> :Naahhh... how could you be guilty of such a thing?!  Judging by your
> :posts, you haven't even demonstrated that you are capable of thought,
> :let alone "Thought Crime" - whatever that might be.
> 
> People like you who claim to love blacks never live in their communities.
> Funny, how that is, isn't it? Hypocritical scum. That's what you are. Why
> not move into the ghetto where the savage blacks can kill you some night?
> Because you are a hypocrite--HYPOCRITE.

Hypocrisy is the motivating force of liberals.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Dec 17 09:21:20 PST 1995
Article: 16444 of alt.revisionism
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: WHAT PATTON SAID (was: Is Griswold making things up again?)
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Michael P. Stein (mstein@access2.digex.net) writes:
>     Alt.skinheads trimmed again from followups.

So why was it still in the NG line in your message, Mikey?

> In article ,
> Les Griswold  wrote:
>>Michael P. Stein (mstein@access5.digex.net) writes:
>>>     Patton was a brilliant tactician.  Eisenhower was a strategist.  
>>> Tacticians win battles.  Strategists win wars.
>>
>>Nice semantic dance, Mikey.  But answer my question, why don't you?  Which
>>of the two men, Eisenhower or Patton, does one think of when the word
>>"general" is mentioned?
> 
>     I'm afraid I can no better answer this question on an either-or basis
> than I can answer the question "Have you stopped beating your wife?" 
> Quite honestly, I don't think of either one of them!  If the question is
> rephrased to "Which of the two men better epitomizes the word 'general'?" 
> again I cannot answer the way you want.  Eisenhower almost certainly would
> not have been able to do what Patton did as a field commander.  However,
> if Patton had been given Eisenhower's job, I have no doubt whatsoever that
> he would have been a complete disaster - do you disagree?

Yes, I do.

> Both men's talents were crucial for victory, yet neither could have filled the
> other's boots.

Don't get cutesy on us, Mikey.  The simple fact is, Patton was a thousand
times the general Eisenhower was - even people from the liberal camp are
admitting that Eisenhower was made Supreme Allied Commander simply because
he could kiss Russian, British, French ass like no-one else could.  On
THAT score, I guess you could say that Patton could never have filled his
boots.

Les
  


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Dec 17 09:21:21 PST 1995
Article: 16452 of alt.revisionism
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: WHAT STEIN SAID (was: WHAT PATTON SAID) 
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Michael P. Stein (mstein@access2.digex.net) writes:
> In article ,
> Les Griswold  wrote:
>>Michael P. Stein (mstein@access2.digex.net) writes:
>>>     Alt.skinheads trimmed again from followups.
>>
>>So why was it still in the NG line in your message, Mikey?
> 
>     To alert anyone who _was_ following the discussion in alt.skinheads 
> (from which I've seen complaints) that they should switch over to another 
> newsgroup to continue to follow it, Leslie.

Bullshit.  You just wanted to get the last word in on that NG, to make it
seem like you're a CLEVER little jew who trumped his enemies with his
sparkling wit and wisdom.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Dec 17 09:21:21 PST 1995
Article: 16453 of alt.revisionism
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Black Africans will evolve and adapt to modern society.
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 (cel@scott.net) writes:
>>   bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:

Col. Marlow: 
>>  > 	And retards from high school, like evilBeavis, were probably 
>>  > retards from grammar school a few years ago, as well...
>>  
>>  You're being too kind.  You're assuming that evil "Foot-boy" Beavis has
>>  the wherewithall upstairs to actually PASS Grade Three.

> Les, Evil Beavis informed me of your inane ramblings, and I must say that he 
> was quite correct.  Are you so insecure with your "Whiteness" that you must
> spend the lion's share of your time demeaning other races?

> Explain this: why cannot you just live and let live

Because of nigger crime, and the insistence of Politically Correct fairies
like you who insist on shoving negroes, and other non-Whites, in our faces.

>  - just go back to your trailer park each night and pick your ass rather than
> spreading hatred?

My GAWD, that's funny!  Original, too!
 
> btw, Evil Beavis is most likely your cognitive superior.... believe me, I
> know him well.

BWAHAHAHA!!!  Why should I believe YOU?  You're obviously chummy-chummy
with evil "Foot-boy" Beavis, so I should expect you to say only nice
things about him.  Judging from his posts, Beaver is a retard who drools
on his keyboard as he types.

> And as for you, "Col. Marcus," which "Army" are you in?  

The White race.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Dec 17 10:53:38 PST 1995
Article: 8137 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: HOMOS MOLEST KIDS (Was: Re: I'm White and I'm Oppressed!)
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evil "Foot-boy" Beavis (stefan@scott.net) writes:
> Anonymous wrote:
>> >: "Although homosexuals represent only between 1 and 4 percent of the entire
>> >:  population (up to 2 percent exclusively homosexual; and 2 percent casual
>> >:  bisexuals), studies based on ample U.S. data tell us that they perpetrate
>> >:  between one-third and one-half of all child molestations 

> Gee, and I wonder how many of these homo child molesters are good ol' white 
> trash?! What do you think the ethnic breakdown of NAMBLA is? (Hint: almost 
> exclusively caucasian). Because a group is disproportionately represented in 
> a group of crimes doesn't mean you can draw the conclusion that all members 
> of that group commit those crimes. But, this is exactly how you idiots reason 
> about blacks and crime...

Beaver, Beaver, Beaver...

When will you understand that sissified city dwelling semitophiles are NOT
White?  Nor are jews.

Considering how resistant you are to reason, probably never.

Les



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Dec 17 10:53:39 PST 1995
Article: 8139 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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Richard Marquez (gmarquez@netcom.com) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Richard Marquez (gmarquez@netcom.com) writes:
> : > If I'm reading you correctly, Les, you're against supporting the "helpless
> : > results of two wretches maiting", even if they are BOTH 'White' wretches.
> : Correct...
> : > And you would be quite fine with a product of race mixing that was a
> : > productive member of society (for example, ME).
> : Wrong-o, fuck-nuts.  Geez, how many times do we have to go over this...?
> : RACE-MIXING IS WRONG.  PERIOD.
> 
> So I'm a wrong, yet productive member of society.  See you in the Great 
> White (and Hispanic and Asian) Homeland, Les!  Mabye our kids could play 
> together!
> 
> 	- Grego      22/7
> 
> (*Ahem*, not so fast Les Griswold, do YOU have qualifications for the
> Greater White Homeland (White, Hispanic, or Asian AND a productive member
> of society?))

You're a piece of work, all right, no doubt about it.

No, I neither have, nor want, the qualifications for the Greater White,
Hispanic, and Asian Homeland.  I leave such multiracial fantasies to the
losers like yourself.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Dec 17 10:53:43 PST 1995
Article: 8184 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: WHAT PATTON SAID (was: Is Griswold making things up again?)
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Ken McVay OBC (kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca) writes:
> In article , 
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>>Ken McVay OBC (kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca), wanting to 
> join the "I can't tell time" club, writes: 
> 
>>> Read some European history, Mr. Griswold.. there was a time
>>> when the "noble families" of Europe, "white" to the core,
>>> stunk like last year's garbage. 
> 
>>"... there was a time".  I think that says it all, Kenny.  When's the last
>>time an entire race forsook basic hygiene?
> 
> During the Nazi era, Mr. Griswold, when attempts were made to
> herd (and I use that word quite deliberately) an entire
> cultural group into extermination camps, where they were
> denied the most basic hygenic conditions, and immediately
> following that era, Mr. Griswold, when such conditions had not
> yet been restored.

Oh, boo-hoo-hoo (sound of violins wailing).  Your attempts to make excuses
for the jews, who were slobs before the Nazis rounded them up to put them
in CONCENTRATION camps, not EXTERMINATION camps, is sickening.  What WON'T
you do for your supper, Mr. McOyVay?

-- 
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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Dec 17 10:53:47 PST 1995
Article: 8268 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Garza is thick as a post (was: Sylvie is civilized?)
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Steve Garza (sgarza@csubak.edu) writes:
> In article , bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Sylvie Charbonneau) wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> You missed the point, Ken.  These people that got mugged, beaten, stabbed
>> and assaulted were at this rally TO PROMOTE EQUAL RIGHTS FOR BLACKS!!! 
>> And this is how they were repaid.
 
> And you see nothing wrong with people taking the law into their own hands
> whenever they disagree or dislike someone else? Is that what you call a
> "civilized" society?
> 
> You get all upset at Waco or Ruby Ridge and yet you would sanction the
> government authorized destruction of millions of people based entirely on
> their looks, culture or race?

You liberals are really funny, asking us a question, and then answering it
with your own little prejudices that the media have taught you.  "White
separatists are really out to kill all non-Whites!  Don't bother listening
to their answers!  We know already!"
 
> What is the difference between you and a Muslim fanatic who would kill
> anyone who doesn't think like him?

The differences are:

1)  Sylvie's not a Muslim.

2)  She has NEVER said that non-Whites and liberals should be killed. 
That's what YOU twinkies say we say.  What I believe (and so does Sylvie)
is that non-Whites and liberals have to be REMOVED from our midst, or the
White race will die.

> What about the Spanish Inquisition or the Salem witch trials? Do you see
> anything wrong with them?

Both excesses were committed under the influence of Jewdeo-Christianity.
 
> I know Les doesn't believe in God and so I will assume you don't either.
> How would you be treated in a Spanish Inquisition type society?

You mean, how would I be treated by a bunch of _converso_ jews?  Poorly, I
suspect.

> You would be tortured and killed if you didn't believe. And if you were really
> considered bad, they might convert you to save your soul (doing you such a
> favor) and then kill you anyway.
> 
> If the whole wide world was white, blond haired, and blue eyed then
> something else like beliefs or status in society would be the reason for
> hate. Find out what it is that you really hate in our world. Saying you
> really hate Jews, blacks, hispanics and the like is not acceptable.

Why not?  Because you say so?

Anyway, when has Sylvie EVER said that she hates jews, blacks, hispanics
and the like?  I want an EXACT QUOTE; nothing else will do the job.

> If you say Jews are conspirators and are corrupted, then hate conspiracies and
> corruption. If you hate blacks because you believe they are stupid,
> aggressive or the like, then hate stupidity or aggression in all people.
> Because anything you hate in the "others" is found in you and within your
> race too.

Thank you for the words of wisdom, Father Garza.  But, since I don't think
that you have an ounce of credibility, they sorta have not as much weight
with us as they might otherwise.

You can't win a war if you don't identify the enemy.  Diseases were not
cured by misplaced compassion for the bacilli, dude.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Dec 17 10:53:48 PST 1995
Article: 8269 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: WHAT PATTON SAID (was: Is Griswold making things up again?)
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Michael P. Stein (mstein@access2.digex.net) writes:
>     Alt.skinheads trimmed again from followups.

So why was it still in the NG line in your message, Mikey?

> In article ,
> Les Griswold  wrote:
>>Michael P. Stein (mstein@access5.digex.net) writes:
>>>     Patton was a brilliant tactician.  Eisenhower was a strategist.  
>>> Tacticians win battles.  Strategists win wars.
>>
>>Nice semantic dance, Mikey.  But answer my question, why don't you?  Which
>>of the two men, Eisenhower or Patton, does one think of when the word
>>"general" is mentioned?
> 
>     I'm afraid I can no better answer this question on an either-or basis
> than I can answer the question "Have you stopped beating your wife?" 
> Quite honestly, I don't think of either one of them!  If the question is
> rephrased to "Which of the two men better epitomizes the word 'general'?" 
> again I cannot answer the way you want.  Eisenhower almost certainly would
> not have been able to do what Patton did as a field commander.  However,
> if Patton had been given Eisenhower's job, I have no doubt whatsoever that
> he would have been a complete disaster - do you disagree?

Yes, I do.

> Both men's talents were crucial for victory, yet neither could have filled the
> other's boots.

Don't get cutesy on us, Mikey.  The simple fact is, Patton was a thousand
times the general Eisenhower was - even people from the liberal camp are
admitting that Eisenhower was made Supreme Allied Commander simply because
he could kiss Russian, British, French ass like no-one else could.  On
THAT score, I guess you could say that Patton could never have filled his
boots.

Les
  


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Dec 17 10:53:49 PST 1995
Article: 8273 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Homosexuality spits in the face of natural law.
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David Whitt (davwhitt@med.unc.edu) writes:
> In article <4afvq2$ok0@ixnews7.ix.netcom.com>,
> Fastrain  wrote:

(snip - a whole bunch of pro-homosexual propaganda, including the
allegation that homosexuality occurs in nature among animals)

>>but this issue is just completely out of hand now days everybody thinks it
>>(ie, homosexuality) is just perfectly OK.

> Is that why it is still illegal for me to have sex, and get married?  Is
> it because everybody thinks it is just perfectly OK that most gays can
> still get fired from their jobs soley because of their sexuality?

Get a grip.

> Is that why gay-related hate-crimes are up ever year?  Gee, I thought they
> didn't like us.

That should give you pause for thought, David.  WHY does the thought of
homosexuality stir up such intense feelings of nauseau and intense dislike 
among otherwise calm people?  

>>Well let me give you a wake up call the last times society was so openly 
>>immoral was during the fall of rome or perhaps the last days of pompei.
> 
> Rome was a Christian city when it fell.  It was powerful when it was a
> pagan city full of orgies and gladiators.  Pompei was knocked out by a
> volcano because, suprise suprise, it was situated next to an active
> volcano.  

Interesting point.  Rome was founded by a pagan tribe, flourished for over
a thousand years, and within two centuries of embracing Christianity, it
collapsed.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Dec 17 10:53:50 PST 1995
Article: 8279 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: WHAT STEIN SAID (was: WHAT PATTON SAID) 
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Michael P. Stein (mstein@access2.digex.net) writes:
> In article ,
> Les Griswold  wrote:
>>Michael P. Stein (mstein@access2.digex.net) writes:
>>>     Alt.skinheads trimmed again from followups.
>>
>>So why was it still in the NG line in your message, Mikey?
> 
>     To alert anyone who _was_ following the discussion in alt.skinheads 
> (from which I've seen complaints) that they should switch over to another 
> newsgroup to continue to follow it, Leslie.

Bullshit.  You just wanted to get the last word in on that NG, to make it
seem like you're a CLEVER little jew who trumped his enemies with his
sparkling wit and wisdom.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Dec 17 15:07:12 PST 1995
Article: 8137 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: HOMOS MOLEST KIDS (Was: Re: I'm White and I'm Oppressed!)
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evil "Foot-boy" Beavis (stefan@scott.net) writes:
> Anonymous wrote:
>> >: "Although homosexuals represent only between 1 and 4 percent of the entire
>> >:  population (up to 2 percent exclusively homosexual; and 2 percent casual
>> >:  bisexuals), studies based on ample U.S. data tell us that they perpetrate
>> >:  between one-third and one-half of all child molestations 

> Gee, and I wonder how many of these homo child molesters are good ol' white 
> trash?! What do you think the ethnic breakdown of NAMBLA is? (Hint: almost 
> exclusively caucasian). Because a group is disproportionately represented in 
> a group of crimes doesn't mean you can draw the conclusion that all members 
> of that group commit those crimes. But, this is exactly how you idiots reason 
> about blacks and crime...

Beaver, Beaver, Beaver...

When will you understand that sissified city dwelling semitophiles are NOT
White?  Nor are jews.

Considering how resistant you are to reason, probably never.

Les



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Dec 17 15:07:16 PST 1995
Article: 8184 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: WHAT PATTON SAID (was: Is Griswold making things up again?)
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Ken McVay OBC (kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca) writes:
> In article , 
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>>Ken McVay OBC (kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca), wanting to 
> join the "I can't tell time" club, writes: 
> 
>>> Read some European history, Mr. Griswold.. there was a time
>>> when the "noble families" of Europe, "white" to the core,
>>> stunk like last year's garbage. 
> 
>>"... there was a time".  I think that says it all, Kenny.  When's the last
>>time an entire race forsook basic hygiene?
> 
> During the Nazi era, Mr. Griswold, when attempts were made to
> herd (and I use that word quite deliberately) an entire
> cultural group into extermination camps, where they were
> denied the most basic hygenic conditions, and immediately
> following that era, Mr. Griswold, when such conditions had not
> yet been restored.

Oh, boo-hoo-hoo (sound of violins wailing).  Your attempts to make excuses
for the jews, who were slobs before the Nazis rounded them up to put them
in CONCENTRATION camps, not EXTERMINATION camps, is sickening.  What WON'T
you do for your supper, Mr. McOyVay?

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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Dec 17 15:07:19 PST 1995
Article: 8268 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Garza is thick as a post (was: Sylvie is civilized?)
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Steve Garza (sgarza@csubak.edu) writes:
> In article , bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Sylvie Charbonneau) wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> You missed the point, Ken.  These people that got mugged, beaten, stabbed
>> and assaulted were at this rally TO PROMOTE EQUAL RIGHTS FOR BLACKS!!! 
>> And this is how they were repaid.
 
> And you see nothing wrong with people taking the law into their own hands
> whenever they disagree or dislike someone else? Is that what you call a
> "civilized" society?
> 
> You get all upset at Waco or Ruby Ridge and yet you would sanction the
> government authorized destruction of millions of people based entirely on
> their looks, culture or race?

You liberals are really funny, asking us a question, and then answering it
with your own little prejudices that the media have taught you.  "White
separatists are really out to kill all non-Whites!  Don't bother listening
to their answers!  We know already!"
 
> What is the difference between you and a Muslim fanatic who would kill
> anyone who doesn't think like him?

The differences are:

1)  Sylvie's not a Muslim.

2)  She has NEVER said that non-Whites and liberals should be killed. 
That's what YOU twinkies say we say.  What I believe (and so does Sylvie)
is that non-Whites and liberals have to be REMOVED from our midst, or the
White race will die.

> What about the Spanish Inquisition or the Salem witch trials? Do you see
> anything wrong with them?

Both excesses were committed under the influence of Jewdeo-Christianity.
 
> I know Les doesn't believe in God and so I will assume you don't either.
> How would you be treated in a Spanish Inquisition type society?

You mean, how would I be treated by a bunch of _converso_ jews?  Poorly, I
suspect.

> You would be tortured and killed if you didn't believe. And if you were really
> considered bad, they might convert you to save your soul (doing you such a
> favor) and then kill you anyway.
> 
> If the whole wide world was white, blond haired, and blue eyed then
> something else like beliefs or status in society would be the reason for
> hate. Find out what it is that you really hate in our world. Saying you
> really hate Jews, blacks, hispanics and the like is not acceptable.

Why not?  Because you say so?

Anyway, when has Sylvie EVER said that she hates jews, blacks, hispanics
and the like?  I want an EXACT QUOTE; nothing else will do the job.

> If you say Jews are conspirators and are corrupted, then hate conspiracies and
> corruption. If you hate blacks because you believe they are stupid,
> aggressive or the like, then hate stupidity or aggression in all people.
> Because anything you hate in the "others" is found in you and within your
> race too.

Thank you for the words of wisdom, Father Garza.  But, since I don't think
that you have an ounce of credibility, they sorta have not as much weight
with us as they might otherwise.

You can't win a war if you don't identify the enemy.  Diseases were not
cured by misplaced compassion for the bacilli, dude.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Dec 17 15:07:20 PST 1995
Article: 8269 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: WHAT PATTON SAID (was: Is Griswold making things up again?)
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Michael P. Stein (mstein@access2.digex.net) writes:
>     Alt.skinheads trimmed again from followups.

So why was it still in the NG line in your message, Mikey?

> In article ,
> Les Griswold  wrote:
>>Michael P. Stein (mstein@access5.digex.net) writes:
>>>     Patton was a brilliant tactician.  Eisenhower was a strategist.  
>>> Tacticians win battles.  Strategists win wars.
>>
>>Nice semantic dance, Mikey.  But answer my question, why don't you?  Which
>>of the two men, Eisenhower or Patton, does one think of when the word
>>"general" is mentioned?
> 
>     I'm afraid I can no better answer this question on an either-or basis
> than I can answer the question "Have you stopped beating your wife?" 
> Quite honestly, I don't think of either one of them!  If the question is
> rephrased to "Which of the two men better epitomizes the word 'general'?" 
> again I cannot answer the way you want.  Eisenhower almost certainly would
> not have been able to do what Patton did as a field commander.  However,
> if Patton had been given Eisenhower's job, I have no doubt whatsoever that
> he would have been a complete disaster - do you disagree?

Yes, I do.

> Both men's talents were crucial for victory, yet neither could have filled the
> other's boots.

Don't get cutesy on us, Mikey.  The simple fact is, Patton was a thousand
times the general Eisenhower was - even people from the liberal camp are
admitting that Eisenhower was made Supreme Allied Commander simply because
he could kiss Russian, British, French ass like no-one else could.  On
THAT score, I guess you could say that Patton could never have filled his
boots.

Les
  


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Dec 17 15:07:21 PST 1995
Article: 8273 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Homosexuality spits in the face of natural law.
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David Whitt (davwhitt@med.unc.edu) writes:
> In article <4afvq2$ok0@ixnews7.ix.netcom.com>,
> Fastrain  wrote:

(snip - a whole bunch of pro-homosexual propaganda, including the
allegation that homosexuality occurs in nature among animals)

>>but this issue is just completely out of hand now days everybody thinks it
>>(ie, homosexuality) is just perfectly OK.

> Is that why it is still illegal for me to have sex, and get married?  Is
> it because everybody thinks it is just perfectly OK that most gays can
> still get fired from their jobs soley because of their sexuality?

Get a grip.

> Is that why gay-related hate-crimes are up ever year?  Gee, I thought they
> didn't like us.

That should give you pause for thought, David.  WHY does the thought of
homosexuality stir up such intense feelings of nauseau and intense dislike 
among otherwise calm people?  

>>Well let me give you a wake up call the last times society was so openly 
>>immoral was during the fall of rome or perhaps the last days of pompei.
> 
> Rome was a Christian city when it fell.  It was powerful when it was a
> pagan city full of orgies and gladiators.  Pompei was knocked out by a
> volcano because, suprise suprise, it was situated next to an active
> volcano.  

Interesting point.  Rome was founded by a pagan tribe, flourished for over
a thousand years, and within two centuries of embracing Christianity, it
collapsed.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Dec 17 15:07:22 PST 1995
Article: 8279 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: WHAT STEIN SAID (was: WHAT PATTON SAID) 
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Michael P. Stein (mstein@access2.digex.net) writes:
> In article ,
> Les Griswold  wrote:
>>Michael P. Stein (mstein@access2.digex.net) writes:
>>>     Alt.skinheads trimmed again from followups.
>>
>>So why was it still in the NG line in your message, Mikey?
> 
>     To alert anyone who _was_ following the discussion in alt.skinheads 
> (from which I've seen complaints) that they should switch over to another 
> newsgroup to continue to follow it, Leslie.

Bullshit.  You just wanted to get the last word in on that NG, to make it
seem like you're a CLEVER little jew who trumped his enemies with his
sparkling wit and wisdom.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Dec 17 15:24:21 PST 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: HOMOS MOLEST KIDS (Was: Re: I'm White and I'm Oppressed!)
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evil "Foot-boy" Beavis (stefan@scott.net) writes:
> Anonymous wrote:
>> >: "Although homosexuals represent only between 1 and 4 percent of the entire
>> >:  population (up to 2 percent exclusively homosexual; and 2 percent casual
>> >:  bisexuals), studies based on ample U.S. data tell us that they perpetrate
>> >:  between one-third and one-half of all child molestations 

> Gee, and I wonder how many of these homo child molesters are good ol' white 
> trash?! What do you think the ethnic breakdown of NAMBLA is? (Hint: almost 
> exclusively caucasian). Because a group is disproportionately represented in 
> a group of crimes doesn't mean you can draw the conclusion that all members 
> of that group commit those crimes. But, this is exactly how you idiots reason 
> about blacks and crime...

Beaver, Beaver, Beaver...

When will you understand that sissified city dwelling semitophiles are NOT
White?  Nor are jews.

Considering how resistant you are to reason, probably never.

Les



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Dec 17 15:24:24 PST 1995
Article: 10963 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Technological inferiority = moral superiority
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George Graves (gmgraves@aimnet.com) writes:

(snip)

Moi: 
>> That's true, but the jews have always had _shabbas goy_ to do their bidding,
>> and the concept of mercenaries is an old one.  What's really going to be
>> funny, though, will be seeing how fast the liberal fellow-travellers abandon
>> their erstewhile hebrew companions when they finally realize that they're
>> backing a loser.
 
> Will they realize it though, Les. From some of the posts by their minions on 
> this NG alone, they don't even realize that these ideas of multiculturalism 
> and race-mixing aren't their ideas (the mark of a successful brainwashing 
> operation is when the subjects have no idea that the ideas and actions that 
> they carry out aren't their own). I think unless people like eB, Lzaird. Crazy 
> Jeannie have some trauma which wakes them up (liked being mugged and 
> having the holy crap beat out of 'em by a bunch of black toughs), they will 
> never change their attitudes. 50 years of constant brainwashing would be
> hard to overcome.

Well, George, at this point, I have to ask:  if eB, Slimy Lizard and Crazy 
Jeannie are the best that the jews can muster to their banner, what have we got
to fear?

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Dec 17 15:24:25 PST 1995
Article: 10973 of alt.politics.white-power
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Subject: Re: WHAT PATTON SAID (was: Is Griswold making things up again?)
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Ken McVay OBC (kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca) writes:
> In article , 
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>>Ken McVay OBC (kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca), wanting to 
> join the "I can't tell time" club, writes: 
> 
>>> Read some European history, Mr. Griswold.. there was a time
>>> when the "noble families" of Europe, "white" to the core,
>>> stunk like last year's garbage. 
> 
>>"... there was a time".  I think that says it all, Kenny.  When's the last
>>time an entire race forsook basic hygiene?
> 
> During the Nazi era, Mr. Griswold, when attempts were made to
> herd (and I use that word quite deliberately) an entire
> cultural group into extermination camps, where they were
> denied the most basic hygenic conditions, and immediately
> following that era, Mr. Griswold, when such conditions had not
> yet been restored.

Oh, boo-hoo-hoo (sound of violins wailing).  Your attempts to make excuses
for the jews, who were slobs before the Nazis rounded them up to put them
in CONCENTRATION camps, not EXTERMINATION camps, is sickening.  What WON'T
you do for your supper, Mr. McOyVay?

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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Dec 17 15:24:25 PST 1995
Article: 10974 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: SCALLION LOVES NEGRESSES! (was: What is so bad about intermarriage?)
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Brendan J. F. Scallon (scallon@pyrotechnics.com) writes:
> Frank Weltner (potato@mo.net) wrote:

(snip)

> :  Being young and
> : idealistic, it is fun to swim in the "freedom" of exuberance, sow wild
> : oats in wierd places, and think that you are the first person in the world
> : to ever have been so bold.
> 
> I'm the only male in my high school graduating class who has been in a
> white/black interracial relationship (actually more than a few).  It was
> not that I chose to, but none of the white women were worthy of me. :-)

Hah.  And the negresses WERE?

(waitta minute here, if Scallion is wasting his time with negresses, then
that's fine by me...)

(snip)

> BTW: Frank here are three questions.

Since you posted them out here in public, I think it's only fair to take a
stab at them.

> 1. Would you sleep with a Black woman?

Never in a million years.

> 2. Would you marry a Black woman?

Same as above.

> 3. Would you offer support if a Black woman's brother was killed?

Nope.
 
> Just as I thought, you perhaps view Black women as sexual playthings just
> like your other KKK homeboys.  You would not commit to any woman of color
> nor give a rat's ass about her family.  Have I made an accurate description
> about you?

Why don't you let him answer, before you run screaming like a mental
defective... oh, wait, never mind.

> Black Feminism 101 class dismissed.
> 
> : In the slave times, black girls
> : used to line up to get their share of the overseer, because of his status,
> : intelligence, and whiteness.
> 
> Don't you mean raped by ol' massah?  Most consentual miscegenation occurred
> between African and Irish slaves.  The master/slave contact was overwhelm-
> ingly rape.

Like HELL it was.  Most interracial miscegenation was so that the lazy
negresses could get house positions.  Prostitution is the oldest trade
going, and one that even negresses can master.

Les



From gmgraves@aimnet.com Sun Dec 17 15:24:28 PST 1995
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Les Griswold wrote:
> 
> George Graves (gmgraves@aimnet.com) writes:
> > Les Griswold wrote:
> 
> (snip)
> 
> >> That's true enough.  H.L. Mencken (I think) once observed that the Semite
> >> simply has no conception of how to rule fairly or justly; this is
> >> encouraging, because it means that jews simply don't know how not to push
> >> their arrogance to extremes, and it's going to piss off a LOT of people
> >> (heck, it already has).
> 
> Sorry, that observation about the semites' inability to rule fairly was
> made by Ezra Pound.  H.L. Mencken did say something that was really funny,
> though, and very true:
> 
> "The case against the Jews is long and damning; it would justify ten
> thousand times as many pogroms as now go on in the world."
> 
> > Well, history tells us that the Eternal Jew, eventually overplays his hand.
> > He has been trying to rule the world for 2000 years. Every country that
> > he has ever infested, has gone along with him to some point, and then
> > either tried to kill the entire lot, or thrown their asses out. Let's hope
> > the evil thing stumbles this time as well.
> 
> There's no need to hope.  The jews will fuck up again, just like they have
> before, just like they can't HELP but doing.
> 
> > He is closer to winning this time than ever before, however because he has,
> > using his power in media, created several generations of brainwashed minions
> > called "liberals" who unwittingly and unthinkingly do his bidding.
> 
> That's true, but the jews have always had _shabbas goy_ to do their bidding,
> and the concept of mercenaries is an old one.  What's really going to be
> funny, though, will be seeing how fast the liberal fellow-travellers abandon
> their erstewhile hebrew companions when they finally realize that they're
> backing a loser.
> 
> Les

Will they realize it though, Les. From some of the posts by their minions on 
this NG alone, they don't even realize that these ideas of multiculturalism 
and race-mixing aren't their ideas (the mark of a successful brainwashing 
operation is when the subjects have no idea that the ideas and actions that 
they carry out aren't their own). I think unless people like eB, Lzaird. Crazy 
Jeannie have some trauma which wakes them up (liked being mugged and 
having the holy crap beat out of 'em by a bunch of black toughs), they will 
never change their attitudes. 50 years of constant brainwashing would be
hard to overcome.

George Graves


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Dec 17 15:24:30 PST 1995
Article: 11086 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Technological inferiority = moral superiority
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Ronald Schoedel (schoedel@alaska.net) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>>Well, George, at this point, I have to ask:  if eB, Slimy Lizard and Crazy 
>>Jeannie are the best that the jews can muster to their banner, what have we got
>>to fear?
> 
> ESPECIALLY seeing as how everyone around seems to have noticed that they
> are recycling the same old ZOG BS over and over and over.  Nothing new
> in several months.  Repeat a lie long enough and eventually you'll
> believe it yourself, that's what these poor slobs' problem is.

I know.  Pathetic, isn't it?  They just don't seem to realize that they're
full of it, and their words reveal it.  If they love non-Whites so much,
why, as Potato points out, are they not living real down and dirty with
them, in the ghettoes and stuff?  Never happen, though, because liberals
are HYPOCRITES, and they're smoart enough to know what would happen to
their pasty white asses if they DID put their words into action.  They
have no problem with putting OTHERS at risk, though.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Dec 17 15:24:31 PST 1995
Article: 11087 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: The Week In Review, 12/9/95 to 12/16/95
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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:
> In article <4aus97$r4f@daryl.scsn.net>, xyz@scsn.net (Racial Theorist) wrote:
> 
> * folks:
> * 
> *         it's been an excellent week for the white race on apw-p.  as usual,
> * all flame wars were won by the white race, with les and frank winning
> * most of the battles.
> 
> Yep, Les demonstrated that he's Black, because he and Sylvie never
> married,

Um, no, Crazy.  See, there's an essential difference:

Sylvie and I have been together for over four years now.  How many niggers
celebrate even their FIRST anniversary?  It's usually "100-metre dash"
time when they find out their "bitches" are pregnant.

> and that he's a Jew, because he wallows in his own filth.

Excuse me again?  How did you come to THAT, shall we say, INTERESTING
conclusion?  Because I reported that Patton thought that jews were slobs?

> *         it's damn good to have frank as an active member of this newsgroup,
> * because he continures to prove he knows how to get just as gross as
> * the crackpot liberals and how to throw their filth right back in their
> * ugly faces--not even to mention that frank knows his facts on the
> * racial situation.  and in case you hadn't noticed, folks, frank ain't
> * one to quietly put up with smart aleck back talk from a pinko lib any
> * more than les is.
> 
> Yes, Frank shoots out factoids from the Cavern of Enlightenment quicker
> than Les can dig his from the Hiddenbrook Historical Society. Another
> thing that I noticed was that apw-p hasn't had this many homosexually
> explicit posts since the Cornholer played dressup with Rev. Ron and Les.

You pinko lib.:-)
 
(snip)

>  the thing that gets me is not that crazy
> * jeanne reposted the articles--that stuff is old news.  what gets me is
> * that crazy, who would be the first to stand in line at the parole
> * board to scream out about freeing some violent nigra like willie
> * horton--she would be in favor of reforming criminals like most
> * crackpot liberals. 
> 
> If someone is convicted after a fair trial, I think that justice has been
> served. Remember what I wrote a few weeks ago about pedophiles? Some
> people cannot be reformed and should never be allowed back into free
> society again. I don't believe in automatically giving everyone the
> benefit of the doubt or a second (or third or fourth or fifth) chance.

But when the FACT that most convictions for violent crime are rendered
against negroes is brought to your attention, you squirm like an earthworm
dug out of our garden and try to change the topic, or else get really
stupid, in the hopes that we'll sort of forget it.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Dec 17 15:24:31 PST 1995
Article: 11088 of alt.politics.white-power
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Subject: Garza is thick as a post (was: Sylvie is civilized?)
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Steve Garza (sgarza@csubak.edu) writes:
> In article , bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Sylvie Charbonneau) wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> You missed the point, Ken.  These people that got mugged, beaten, stabbed
>> and assaulted were at this rally TO PROMOTE EQUAL RIGHTS FOR BLACKS!!! 
>> And this is how they were repaid.
 
> And you see nothing wrong with people taking the law into their own hands
> whenever they disagree or dislike someone else? Is that what you call a
> "civilized" society?
> 
> You get all upset at Waco or Ruby Ridge and yet you would sanction the
> government authorized destruction of millions of people based entirely on
> their looks, culture or race?

You liberals are really funny, asking us a question, and then answering it
with your own little prejudices that the media have taught you.  "White
separatists are really out to kill all non-Whites!  Don't bother listening
to their answers!  We know already!"
 
> What is the difference between you and a Muslim fanatic who would kill
> anyone who doesn't think like him?

The differences are:

1)  Sylvie's not a Muslim.

2)  She has NEVER said that non-Whites and liberals should be killed. 
That's what YOU twinkies say we say.  What I believe (and so does Sylvie)
is that non-Whites and liberals have to be REMOVED from our midst, or the
White race will die.

> What about the Spanish Inquisition or the Salem witch trials? Do you see
> anything wrong with them?

Both excesses were committed under the influence of Jewdeo-Christianity.
 
> I know Les doesn't believe in God and so I will assume you don't either.
> How would you be treated in a Spanish Inquisition type society?

You mean, how would I be treated by a bunch of _converso_ jews?  Poorly, I
suspect.

> You would be tortured and killed if you didn't believe. And if you were really
> considered bad, they might convert you to save your soul (doing you such a
> favor) and then kill you anyway.
> 
> If the whole wide world was white, blond haired, and blue eyed then
> something else like beliefs or status in society would be the reason for
> hate. Find out what it is that you really hate in our world. Saying you
> really hate Jews, blacks, hispanics and the like is not acceptable.

Why not?  Because you say so?

Anyway, when has Sylvie EVER said that she hates jews, blacks, hispanics
and the like?  I want an EXACT QUOTE; nothing else will do the job.

> If you say Jews are conspirators and are corrupted, then hate conspiracies and
> corruption. If you hate blacks because you believe they are stupid,
> aggressive or the like, then hate stupidity or aggression in all people.
> Because anything you hate in the "others" is found in you and within your
> race too.

Thank you for the words of wisdom, Father Garza.  But, since I don't think
that you have an ounce of credibility, they sorta have not as much weight
with us as they might otherwise.

You can't win a war if you don't identify the enemy.  Diseases were not
cured by misplaced compassion for the bacilli, dude.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Dec 17 15:24:32 PST 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: WHAT PATTON SAID (was: Is Griswold making things up again?)
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Michael P. Stein (mstein@access2.digex.net) writes:
>     Alt.skinheads trimmed again from followups.

So why was it still in the NG line in your message, Mikey?

> In article ,
> Les Griswold  wrote:
>>Michael P. Stein (mstein@access5.digex.net) writes:
>>>     Patton was a brilliant tactician.  Eisenhower was a strategist.  
>>> Tacticians win battles.  Strategists win wars.
>>
>>Nice semantic dance, Mikey.  But answer my question, why don't you?  Which
>>of the two men, Eisenhower or Patton, does one think of when the word
>>"general" is mentioned?
> 
>     I'm afraid I can no better answer this question on an either-or basis
> than I can answer the question "Have you stopped beating your wife?" 
> Quite honestly, I don't think of either one of them!  If the question is
> rephrased to "Which of the two men better epitomizes the word 'general'?" 
> again I cannot answer the way you want.  Eisenhower almost certainly would
> not have been able to do what Patton did as a field commander.  However,
> if Patton had been given Eisenhower's job, I have no doubt whatsoever that
> he would have been a complete disaster - do you disagree?

Yes, I do.

> Both men's talents were crucial for victory, yet neither could have filled the
> other's boots.

Don't get cutesy on us, Mikey.  The simple fact is, Patton was a thousand
times the general Eisenhower was - even people from the liberal camp are
admitting that Eisenhower was made Supreme Allied Commander simply because
he could kiss Russian, British, French ass like no-one else could.  On
THAT score, I guess you could say that Patton could never have filled his
boots.

Les
  


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Dec 17 15:24:33 PST 1995
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Subject: WHAT STEIN SAID (was: WHAT PATTON SAID) 
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Michael P. Stein (mstein@access2.digex.net) writes:
> In article ,
> Les Griswold  wrote:
>>Michael P. Stein (mstein@access2.digex.net) writes:
>>>     Alt.skinheads trimmed again from followups.
>>
>>So why was it still in the NG line in your message, Mikey?
> 
>     To alert anyone who _was_ following the discussion in alt.skinheads 
> (from which I've seen complaints) that they should switch over to another 
> newsgroup to continue to follow it, Leslie.

Bullshit.  You just wanted to get the last word in on that NG, to make it
seem like you're a CLEVER little jew who trumped his enemies with his
sparkling wit and wisdom.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Dec 17 23:21:54 PST 1995
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Michael P. Stein (mstein@access2.digex.net) writes:
> In article ,
> Les Griswold  wrote:
>>Michael P. Stein (mstein@access2.digex.net) writes:
>>> In article ,
>>> Les Griswold  wrote:
>>>>Michael P. Stein (mstein@access2.digex.net) writes:
>>>>>     Alt.skinheads trimmed again from followups.
>>>>
>>>>So why was it still in the NG line in your message, Mikey?
>>> 
>>>     To alert anyone who _was_ following the discussion in alt.skinheads 
>>> (from which I've seen complaints) that they should switch over to another 
>>> newsgroup to continue to follow it, Leslie.
>>
>>Bullshit.  You just wanted to get the last word in on that NG, to make it
>>seem like you're a CLEVER little jew who trumped his enemies with his
>>sparkling wit and wisdom.
> 
>     If that's the case, why would I go out of my way to warn people at the
> very start of the article that I was trimming the followups, Leslie? 

To blow your horn.

You could have very easily just replied to my message, which had taken
alt.skinheads out of the NGs.

>>Don't you think someone trying to do what you accuse me of would quietly
> cut the one newsgroup without warning, hoping to sneak it past? 

Nope.  Someone bragging about how nice he's being SHOULD keep quiet about
it, but jews never do.
 
(snip)

>     So tell us again all about how Hitler died fighting, Leslie....

Why?  Weren't you paying attention the first time?

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Dec 17 23:35:27 PST 1995
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Michael P. Stein (mstein@access2.digex.net) writes:
> In article ,
> Les Griswold  wrote:
>>Michael P. Stein (mstein@access2.digex.net) writes:
>>> In article ,
>>> Les Griswold  wrote:
>>>>Michael P. Stein (mstein@access2.digex.net) writes:
>>>>>     Alt.skinheads trimmed again from followups.
>>>>
>>>>So why was it still in the NG line in your message, Mikey?
>>> 
>>>     To alert anyone who _was_ following the discussion in alt.skinheads 
>>> (from which I've seen complaints) that they should switch over to another 
>>> newsgroup to continue to follow it, Leslie.
>>
>>Bullshit.  You just wanted to get the last word in on that NG, to make it
>>seem like you're a CLEVER little jew who trumped his enemies with his
>>sparkling wit and wisdom.
> 
>     If that's the case, why would I go out of my way to warn people at the
> very start of the article that I was trimming the followups, Leslie? 

To blow your horn.

You could have very easily just replied to my message, which had taken
alt.skinheads out of the NGs.

>>Don't you think someone trying to do what you accuse me of would quietly
> cut the one newsgroup without warning, hoping to sneak it past? 

Nope.  Someone bragging about how nice he's being SHOULD keep quiet about
it, but jews never do.
 
(snip)

>     So tell us again all about how Hitler died fighting, Leslie....

Why?  Weren't you paying attention the first time?

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Dec 17 23:45:19 PST 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Sickening... (Are people so blind???)
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Jeffrey G. Brown (jeff_brown@pol.com) writes:
> In article <30D36BFB.5D7D@aimnet.com>, George Graves 
> wrote:
> 
>> Jeffery, hve you heard of curing the disease, rather than just treating the
>> symptoms. You liberals only want to deal with EFFECT. We 
>> anti-multiculturalists are realistic enough to want to deal with the CAUSE.
>> As long as the cause is allowed to exist, there is no cure.
> 
> I agree. Unfortunately, we see the cause differently. You see it as being
> outside yourself: the existence of others who are different. I see it as
> being within each of us: the _fear_ of those different from ourselves.

Jeff, that's so stupid, I don't even know where to begin.  My _fear_ of a
nugger is NOT responsible for that nugger then nugging me (a nugger, BTW,
is my term for a negro mugger).  The _fear_ of an assailant has _nothing_
to do with that assailant's assault.  Similarly, the White race's
justifiable fear of non-White crime is NOT responsible for that crime,
whatever you PC twits want to believe.
 
> You blame everyone but yourself. I blame everyone including myself. As
> long as you allow the fear to control you, there is no cure for racism.

That's good, JGB.  Again, you're talking about racism as if it was a
disease or a malady.  Racism is a survival mechanism, and it doesn't need
"curing".  If anything around here needs curing, it is the sick fascination 
that liberals have for forcing Whites to live cheek-by-jowl with non-Whites, 
then whining about "live and let live".

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Dec 17 23:45:20 PST 1995
Article: 11145 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: What beer-Stein said (was: What Griswold said)
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Michael P. Stein (mstein@access2.digex.net) writes:
> In article ,
> Les Griswold  wrote:
>>Michael P. Stein (mstein@access2.digex.net) writes:
>>> In article ,
>>> Les Griswold  wrote:
>>>>Michael P. Stein (mstein@access2.digex.net) writes:
>>>>>     Alt.skinheads trimmed again from followups.
>>>>
>>>>So why was it still in the NG line in your message, Mikey?
>>> 
>>>     To alert anyone who _was_ following the discussion in alt.skinheads 
>>> (from which I've seen complaints) that they should switch over to another 
>>> newsgroup to continue to follow it, Leslie.
>>
>>Bullshit.  You just wanted to get the last word in on that NG, to make it
>>seem like you're a CLEVER little jew who trumped his enemies with his
>>sparkling wit and wisdom.
> 
>     If that's the case, why would I go out of my way to warn people at the
> very start of the article that I was trimming the followups, Leslie? 

To blow your horn.

You could have very easily just replied to my message, which had taken
alt.skinheads out of the NGs.

>>Don't you think someone trying to do what you accuse me of would quietly
> cut the one newsgroup without warning, hoping to sneak it past? 

Nope.  Someone bragging about how nice he's being SHOULD keep quiet about
it, but jews never do.
 
(snip)

>     So tell us again all about how Hitler died fighting, Leslie....

Why?  Weren't you paying attention the first time?

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Dec 18 08:47:59 PST 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: WHAT STEIN SAID (was: WHAT PATTON SAID)
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 (ncrccjc@ibm.net) writes:
>> 
>> Bullshit.  You just wanted to get the last word in on that NG, to make it
>> seem like you're a CLEVER little jew who trumped his enemies with his
>> sparkling wit and wisdom.
> 
> You don't have to be Jewish to be more CLEVER than you Les!
> ncrccjc

In your case, it would be a big help.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Dec 18 08:48:00 PST 1995
Article: 16563 of alt.revisionism
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: C-FAR and its links to White Supremacy
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MORRISON  KEITH MURRAY (t08o@unb.ca) writes:
> In article  potato@mo.net (Frank Weltner) writes:

>>I am proud of you. Obviously, your intellect is much elevated above mine,
>>enabling you to see beyond black predatory pressures that are wrecking my
>>neighborhood and country. It must be a very nice luxury to have. I, on the
>>other hand, cannot leave my house without worrying. Certainly no trips at
>>night. A few nights ago, the lady next door got mugged. Five staples hold
>>her scalp together now. Nice christmas present from the nigger elements. I
>>just love them niggers. I just wants to have breakfast wid em.

> Well, I may not have to worry about going out late at night but some of my 
> female friends do.  Funny about all those assaults, though.  White guys to 
> the one.  Come to think of it, are not most mass murderers and serial 
> killers white?  Jeez, those goddamn white guys, you're not safe out on the 
> street while they're around.

Oh, you mean white like David Berkowitz (jew), Richard Ramirez (spic),
Jeffrey Dahmer (fag), John Wayne Gacy (also a fag, and a pedophile to
boot), Ted Bundy (mongrel).  Do tell us some more, Keith.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Dec 18 09:57:30 PST 1995
Article: 11200 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Sickening... (Are people so blind???)
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Jeffrey G. Brown (jeff_brown@pol.com) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>> Jeffrey G. Brown (jeff_brown@pol.com) writes:
>> > In article <30D36BFB.5D7D@aimnet.com>, George Graves 
>> > wrote:
>> > 
>> >> Jeffery, hve you heard of curing the disease, rather than just treating the
>> >> symptoms. You liberals only want to deal with EFFECT. We 
>> >> anti-multiculturalists are realistic enough to want to deal with the CAUSE.
>> >> As long as the cause is allowed to exist, there is no cure.
>> > 
>> > I agree. Unfortunately, we see the cause differently. You see it as being
>> > outside yourself: the existence of others who are different. I see it as
>> > being within each of us: the _fear_ of those different from ourselves.
>> 
>> Jeff, that's so stupid, I don't even know where to begin.  My _fear_ of a
>> nugger is NOT responsible for that nugger then nugging me (a nugger, BTW,
>> is my term for a negro mugger).  The _fear_ of an assailant has _nothing_
>> to do with that assailant's assault.  Similarly, the White race's
>> justifiable fear of non-White crime is NOT responsible for that crime,
>> whatever you PC twits want to believe.
> 
> Odd... I don't recall mentioning assault, by an assailant of any race, as
> being that which was feared. I don't recall claiming that anyone's fear of
> assault was responsible for the assault. I do admire the skill with which
> you set up straw men, only to knock them down again. You're transparent,
> but skillful, Griswold.

That's yet another difference between us, Brown:  you'd rather not talk
about realities.  You'd rather stick to your airy-fairy notions of
equality and "love-thy-nigger" preaching.  But when someone points out to
you the REALITY of your whacky ideas, you scuttle.
 
> You carefully deleted that part of my earlier message that Graves was
> responding to, so as not to leave any evidence of what was actually under
> discussion.

I never did.  I merely responded to your post.

> I said:
> 
>> Yes. In the US at least, all people are equal in the sight of the law.
>> Once a person is convicted of a crime, of course, he may be singled out
>> for appropriate consequences.
>> 
>> The problem with racists is that they wish to deal out consequences before
>> the conviction. They want to punish others simply for having the wrong
>> color skin, being a member of the wrong faith, or being from the wrong
>> part of the world.
> 
> Let me see if I understand this: in your perfect world, you would deport
> anyone not meeting your standards of 'Whiteness'. Anyone not perfectly
> 'Aryan' in your eyes would be punished, their properties seized, their
> citizenship stripped from them, _not_ for having assaulted anyone, _not_
> for having committed the least of crimes, but simply because you decided
> they 'didn't belong'. Even the newborn infant -- if he were of the wrong
> color or the wrong religion or his parents were immigrants from some part
> of the world you hold in utter contempt -- even the newborn would be sent
> packing, innocent of any crime, simply because he might, someday, somehow,
> do something you or your oh-so-White comrades would find unpleasant. This
> infant would, therefore, suffer the consequences of committing this
> hypothetical future crime before ever he could so much as focus his eyes
> on your perfect Aryan face.
> 
> True or false, Griswold?

True.  So what?  What about WHITE children, who ARE victims of non-White
violence EVERY DAY?  We know how to prevent that crime, but you people
fall into hysterical frenzies when the idea is proposed.  Why?  Is a
certain level of White casualties acceptable?  Just the price of accepting
your New World Order?
 
>> > You blame everyone but yourself. I blame everyone including myself. As
>> > long as you allow the fear to control you, there is no cure for racism.
>> 
>> That's good, JGB.  Again, you're talking about racism as if it was a
>> disease or a malady.  Racism is a survival mechanism, and it doesn't need
>> "curing".  If anything around here needs curing, it is the sick fascination 
>> that liberals have for forcing Whites to live cheek-by-jowl with non-Whites, 
>> then whining about "live and let live".
> 
> Your are entitled, as always, to your opinions. I am entitled to disagree
> with them, and to do whatever I see fit within the law to work against the
> day when you might put your opinions into action.

The difference being, I base my opinions on the observable differences
between races, while you stick your head in the sand and REFUSE to see the
reality that slaps you in the face every day.

Les



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Dec 19 02:01:12 PST 1995
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Android Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>   :Steve Garza (sgarza@csubak.edu) writes:
> 
>   :> I know Les doesn't believe in God and so I will assume you don't either.
>   :> How would you be treated in a Spanish Inquisition type society?
>   :
>   :You mean, how would I be treated by a bunch of _converso_ jews?  Poorly, I
>   :suspect.
> 
> Ah. Now the Spanish Inquisition was the jews' fault? Honestly, Les, you
> never cease to amaze me.

Not what I said.  I said that a bunch of _converso_ jews would probably
not treat me very well.  There were an awful lot of jews who underwent
baptism during the Spanish Inquisition to avoid persecution, and who
subsequently hunted down anyone not of their new religion.  Please,
Android, don't make it so easy to show that you're a total jerkazoid who
likes to jump to conclusions to make a point.
 
>   :You can't win a war if you don't identify the enemy.  Diseases were not
>   :cured by misplaced compassion for the bacilli, dude.
> 
> Nor were they cured by blanket destruction of bacilli.

Never said, nor even implied, that they were.

> They were defeated by targeting the specific pathogens.

Exactly!  Note, Android, that ALL tuberculosis bacilli are treated as
potential disease-causers, not just the ones that have actually caused
full-blown cases of TB.

> The indiscriminate use of antibiotics has brought us to our present state, in
> which antibiotic-resistant strains are beginning to run unchecked, and
> antibiotics may become useless.

So has indiscriminate immigration.  TB is making a come-back here in
Kanada, among prisoners and prison-guards.  Immigration officers (a
useless job, considering how many nig-nogs we let in, but je digress) are
also at higher risk of developing this Third World disease, which was, for
all intents and purposes, eradicated here.

As for your antibiotics becoming useless statement:  get a grip.  As
bacilli evolve, so will our means of defeating them.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Dec 19 02:01:12 PST 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: WHAT PATTON SAID (was: Is Griswold making things up again?)
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Sara aka Perrrfect (schwartz@infinet.com) writes:
>> In article ,
>> Les Griswold  wrote:
>> >Michael P. Stein (mstein@access5.digex.net) writes:
>> >>     Patton was a brilliant tactician.  Eisenhower was a strategist.  
>> >> Tacticians win battles.  Strategists win wars.
>> >
>> >Nice semantic dance, Mikey.  But answer my question, why don't you?  Which
>> >of the two men, Eisenhower or Patton, does one think of when the word
>> >"general" is mentioned?
>  
> Gee... I don't think of either. Bobby Lee and US Grant are the ones that
> come to mind for me.
>  
> And anyway, who gives a damn who you (or I for that matter) think is a
> better General? Grant was an excellent general *AND* an anti-Semite. So
> what?
>  
> NONE of that changes the fact that Patton's comments were disgusting. Such
> a sissy he couldn't bear a little smell? That's not what *I* think of when
> I think of a General.

He never said anything about a "little smell", Sara.  He said they were
filthy, especially the rabbi (I presume that's who'd be in charge in a
synagogue - perhaps Mikey "Beer" Stein can help us out here).

BTW, Sara, what's so disgusting about Patton's comments, if they just
report the truth?  Disgusting, because they're first-hand evidence from
someone who knew the score about the yids?

Les



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Dec 19 02:01:13 PST 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: SHOULD WHITES GO BACK TO EUROPE?????
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Hell, no!

Andy (3arb@qlink.queensu.ca) writes:
> Justin V. Mulaire (jmulaire@princeton.edu) wrote:
> : Fastrain@ix.netcom.com (Fastrain) wrote:
> 
> : >If blacks were back in Africa they would not have to put up with all
> : >of us racist. And they would have the opportunity to begin building a
> 
> Same thing if you racists went back to Europe. 

If we "racists" (I take it that you subscribe to the idea that only Whites
can be racists... is there never any end to the naive fools around here?)
went back to Europe and left North America to the negroes, the indians,
and other non-Whites, in one generation, all of NA would become a
hell-hole, and non-Whites (especially non-White racists) know this.  Louis
Farrakhan's idea of an all-Black state is just a pipe-dream:  he KNOWS
what a disaster a negro-run nation would be.  Just look at any country in
Africa!

Les





From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Dec 19 02:11:08 PST 1995
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Android Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>   :Steve Garza (sgarza@csubak.edu) writes:
> 
>   :> I know Les doesn't believe in God and so I will assume you don't either.
>   :> How would you be treated in a Spanish Inquisition type society?
>   :
>   :You mean, how would I be treated by a bunch of _converso_ jews?  Poorly, I
>   :suspect.
> 
> Ah. Now the Spanish Inquisition was the jews' fault? Honestly, Les, you
> never cease to amaze me.

Not what I said.  I said that a bunch of _converso_ jews would probably
not treat me very well.  There were an awful lot of jews who underwent
baptism during the Spanish Inquisition to avoid persecution, and who
subsequently hunted down anyone not of their new religion.  Please,
Android, don't make it so easy to show that you're a total jerkazoid who
likes to jump to conclusions to make a point.
 
>   :You can't win a war if you don't identify the enemy.  Diseases were not
>   :cured by misplaced compassion for the bacilli, dude.
> 
> Nor were they cured by blanket destruction of bacilli.

Never said, nor even implied, that they were.

> They were defeated by targeting the specific pathogens.

Exactly!  Note, Android, that ALL tuberculosis bacilli are treated as
potential disease-causers, not just the ones that have actually caused
full-blown cases of TB.

> The indiscriminate use of antibiotics has brought us to our present state, in
> which antibiotic-resistant strains are beginning to run unchecked, and
> antibiotics may become useless.

So has indiscriminate immigration.  TB is making a come-back here in
Kanada, among prisoners and prison-guards.  Immigration officers (a
useless job, considering how many nig-nogs we let in, but je digress) are
also at higher risk of developing this Third World disease, which was, for
all intents and purposes, eradicated here.

As for your antibiotics becoming useless statement:  get a grip.  As
bacilli evolve, so will our means of defeating them.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Dec 19 08:40:54 PST 1995
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Subject: Re: Evidence FOR Racial Equality??
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 (Stacia) writes:
> George Graves  writes:
> 
>>What the hell are you talking about!? Are you saying that people on welfare
>>are getting richer so they have fewer children. I DON'T THINK SO! People
>>on welfare get a bigger check with each kid they add to the fold, that is 
>>how the system "works".
> 
>>George Graves
> 
>   I have loved this logic for years, because it ignores one little thing: 
> having kids is expensive.  No welfare "bonus" covers the full cost of a
> kid and then some.  You imply that people get free money for having a kid,
> as though kids were self-sufficient and cost-free...

Assuming that the negro welfare-queens who have them CARE for them, which
they obviously don't.

Kids going to school hungry?  Let's do a racial breakdown on them.

Kids dumped with grandparents, or some bureacracy?  Let's do a racial
breakdown on THAT.

Kids living in poverty (a favourite up here in Kanada):  let's do a racial
breakdown on THAT.

> have you seen the cost of diapers lately?

Assuming the mother cares enough to BUY diapers...

> You're a few sandwiches short of a picnic, Georgie.

And you're into reality-denial in a BIG way.
 
Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Dec 19 08:46:40 PST 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Mortie Kleim:  Sort of a Les Nessman of the Loony Right
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Jew Rosenboig (joelr@winternet.com) writes:
> In article <4b2ucs$3h5@newsbf02.news.aol.com> mkleim@aol.com (MKleim) writes:
> 
>>Again, I state: it is impossible to commit treason against traitors.
> 
> Mortie, Mortie, Mortie . . . .
> 
> treason
> 
> treason (trê´zen) noun
> 1.	Violation of allegiance toward one's country or sovereign, especially
> the betrayal of one's country by waging war against it or by consciously and 
> purposely acting to aid its enemies.

Joel, you ignorant little turd...

WHEN has Mr. Kleim said that the United States is the country to which he
pays allegiance?

> The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Third Edition 
> copyright © 1992 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Electronic version licensed from 
> InfoSoft International, Inc. All rights reserved.
> 
> The Big Lie technique looks so, nazilike on you . . . 

And seeing a jew accuse another of lying is really hilarious.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Dec 19 08:46:41 PST 1995
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Subject: Re: Evidence FOR Racial Equality??
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 (Stacia) writes:
> George Graves  writes:
> 
>>What the hell are you talking about!? Are you saying that people on welfare
>>are getting richer so they have fewer children. I DON'T THINK SO! People
>>on welfare get a bigger check with each kid they add to the fold, that is 
>>how the system "works".
> 
>>George Graves
> 
>   I have loved this logic for years, because it ignores one little thing: 
> having kids is expensive.  No welfare "bonus" covers the full cost of a
> kid and then some.  You imply that people get free money for having a kid,
> as though kids were self-sufficient and cost-free...

Assuming that the negro welfare-queens who have them CARE for them, which
they obviously don't.

Kids going to school hungry?  Let's do a racial breakdown on them.

Kids dumped with grandparents, or some bureacracy?  Let's do a racial
breakdown on THAT.

Kids living in poverty (a favourite up here in Kanada):  let's do a racial
breakdown on THAT.

> have you seen the cost of diapers lately?

Assuming the mother cares enough to BUY diapers...

> You're a few sandwiches short of a picnic, Georgie.

And you're into reality-denial in a BIG way.
 
Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Dec 19 08:46:42 PST 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: The Week In Review, 12/9/95 to 12/16/95
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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu), mistakenly assuming 
that she has something of importance to say, writes:

(snip)

C.J.:
> * > Yep, Les demonstrated that he's Black, because he and Sylvie never
> * > married,

Moi: 
> * Um, no, Crazy.  See, there's an essential difference:
> * 
> * Sylvie and I have been together for over four years now. 
> 
> Maybe you should explain this to Frank. He said that Blacks never marry,
> and Whites always marry. Since you and Sylvie did not marry, you must be
> Black. The burning issue here is whether Sylvie is also Black (never been
> married) or is now a race-traitor (married in the past) and no longer
> White.

Naw, Frank's not ignorant like you are.  Hell, the entire population of
Silver Springs Farm is not as ignorant as you are.  (Silver Springs Farm,
BTW, is a hostel for retards who are so bad that they can't live on their
own).
 
> You celebrate the anniversary of what, Les? By your admission, you've had
> two children out of wedlock together. It seems like you've still got one
> foot in the door or you would have married the mother of your children.

Why should we enrich the state or the church?

> Just wait until your kids are in their teens and you try and lay down the
> law about morality to them. Boy, are you going to get an earful!

I don't think so.  There won't be any "laying down of the law" necessary,
because our kids are not going to be a bunch of misbehaved whiggers who
need it.  They're going to be well-behaved White children, like they are
already.
 
>  How many niggers
> * celebrate even their FIRST anniversary?  It's usually "100-metre dash"
> * time when they find out their "bitches" are pregnant.
> 
> I don't have the statistics on that information, Les, and I'll leave it to
> you to make it up. I do know that far too many men in the U.S. abdicate
> their responsibility as fathers.

NEGRO men in the U.S. abdicate their responsibilities.  I notice that
public notices for "dead-beat dads" studiously avoid presenting cases
where negro fathers have run out on their families, because they'd have to
print an Encyclopaedia Brittanica every week.

> * > and that he's a Jew, because he wallows in his own filth.
 
> * Excuse me again?  How did you come to THAT, shall we say, INTERESTING
> * conclusion?  Because I reported that Patton thought that jews were slobs?
> 
> Well, no. You fling out a stereotype about Jews, i.e., whining, and then
> you exhibit the same behaviors yourself. You really shouldn't do stuff
> like that, because you get nailed every time.

Oh, yes, Crazy, and you nail me just so good.  In your dreams, maybe, but
this ain't your fantasy world.  You may be able to tell Rob all about it,
but please spare us the gory details.
 
(snip)

> * > If someone is convicted after a fair trial, I think that justice has been
> * > served. Remember what I wrote a few weeks ago about pedophiles? Some
> * > people cannot be reformed and should never be allowed back into free
> * > society again. I don't believe in automatically giving everyone the
> * > benefit of the doubt or a second (or third or fourth or fifth) chance.
> * 
> * But when the FACT that most convictions for violent crime are rendered
> * against negroes is brought to your attention, you squirm like an earthworm
> * dug out of our garden and try to change the topic, or else get really
> * stupid, in the hopes that we'll sort of forget it.
> 
> I beg your pardon? I don't squirm like an earthworm or play dumb when it
> comes to crime.

This is rich!  Yes, you do, Crazy.

> I just do not have the academic background to know all of
> the stats about this subject, so I leave the factoid creating to you and
> the reality checks to people who actually know what they're talking about.

And when facts ARE presented, you gloss right over 'em.  Honestly, Crazy,
the only time you use your editor is to cut out any uncomfortable
accusations about the criminality of negroes.

> I do know that most of the heinous criminals convicted locally have been
> sociopathic white guys (many are my kids' ages). 

Do tell, Crazy.
 
> If you want to start producing facts, why don't you ask our resident
> officer of the court and head member of the CLOC Dream Team to supply you
> with some data? Surely the racial theorist is full of accurate information
> on this subject.

Interesting terminology, there, Crazy, but I have just a sneaking hunch
that R.C. Richards would not have approached that gaggle of jews and AfAm
negroes known as O.J.'s "Dream Team" for all the money in the world.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Dec 19 15:12:02 PST 1995
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MORRISON  KEITH MURRAY (t08o@unb.ca) writes:
> In article  bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:

(snip - a whole bunch of "white" killers that Andy Walton so thoughtfully
listed) 
 
>>It would be interesting to do racial backgrounds on all the "white" serial
>>killers you've named. 

> Funny.  Out of 20 people (I'm omitting the Unabomber) Les names 4 he has 
> problems with.  That leaves 16 (75%) that are classed as white.

You completely ignored my comment about doing the racial background,
Keith.  No surprise there, though.
 
> Oh, and as to the backgrounds, that has been done.  _Hunting Humans_ (1986) 
> did a profile on selected serial killers and mass murderers.

I've read it.  I said a RACIAL background, not some PC sermonizing about
"economics" and "dysfunctional" families.

> The conclusions drawn were that the modern serial killer is usually a member
> of the class that society is putting under the most stress, usually comes
> from a broken or very dysfunctional home and has some sort of social stigma.  

Hmm... the class under the most stress, social stigma, dysfunctional
families (I would call families where both mother and father are absent
10-12 hours a day dysfunctional)... sounds like Whites, particularly White
males.

> That is why most serial killers come from lower or middle class origins and 
> are usually children of single parents or adopted.  The author indicated 
> that serial killers are usually a byproduct of rapid social change, sort of 
> a warped version of Toffler's Future Shock, which is why the modern serial 
> killer period is considered to have begun in the 1950s.  In the late 
> medieval-early Rennaisance your average serial killer would probably be a 
> member of the upper class which was feeling threatened by a more powerful 
> middle and mercantile class whic grew at the expense of the aristocracy.
> 
> Mass murders, on the other hand, just tend to be apprently normal people who 
> have suffered some percieved misjustice at the hands of some group and then 
> go looking for some revenge.  Usually there is a connection between the 
> murderer and the victims, for example Lepine felt that women in professional 
> roles were threatening, so he selected a class of engineers to kill.  Valery 
> Fabrikant went after his collegues.  The McDonald's killer selected a 
> restaurant in a predominently Black/Latino area of LA.  
> 
> Mass murderers and serial killers tend to have distinctive styles, although 
> there is some overlap.  Charles Starkweather went on a killing spree that 
> lasted over a period of time, as did Alan Legere, so they might not be true 
> serail killers or mass murders, although in both cases some of the murders 
> were purely arbitrary.

The author of _Hunting Humans_ is obviously scared of his own shadow when
it comes to mentioning race.  Like I said, Keith, it would be interesting
to do a RACIAL background of those serial killers/mass murderers, and see
if there's any support for the hypothesis that mixing races creates an
unstable psyche.

Les





From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Dec 19 15:12:03 PST 1995
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Michael P. Stein (mstein@access5.digex.net) writes:
> In article ,
> Leslie Griswold  wrote:
>>Andy Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
>>> Charles Manson
>>
>>Charles Manson never actually killed anyone, Andy-panda.
> 
>     Is there any doubt in anyone's mind that if Manson (who directed the
> killings) had been nonwhite, he would have appeared on hypocritical
> Leslie's list? 

Actually, there HAS been some slander thrown against Charles Manson,
accusing him of being part negro.  I don't buy it.

In any event, my "list" consisted of refuting some very basic
misconceptions about race that Andy Walton apparently has.

>>> Joseph P. Franklin

>>Who killed mixed-race couples.  So?
> 
>     Well, Leslie, if someone killed you and Sylvie I suppose it couldn't
> be called killing a mixed-race couple - from the remark above, and others,
> it's clear neither one of you is a member of the human race. 

Oh, god, I'm so WOUNDED!

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Dec 19 15:12:04 PST 1995
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william c anderson (libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> 
> : > Joseph P. Franklin
> 
> : Who killed mixed-race couples.  So?
> 
> Let's get this right out in the open, Griswold, so everybody can see
> what kind of guy you are.  In the sentence above, are you advocating
> the murder of mixed-race couples?

Nope.  I'm simply saying that to put Joseph Paul Franklin, a murderer of
mixed-race couples, in the same category as Hulon Jeffries (better known
as Yahweh ben Yahweh, a negro in Florida who ordered his cultists to kill
whites JUST BECAUSE THEY WERE WHITE) is warped.

Les




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MORRISON  KEITH MURRAY (t08o@unb.ca) writes:
> In article  potato@mo.net (Frank Weltner) writes:
> 
>>Eisenhower was responsible for the needless deaths of 3 million German
>>soldiers at the end of the war. He allowed them only 375 calories each per
>>day, no tents, no fuel, and kept them behind barbed wire. They died like
>>flies. It was inhumane, but it was very effective in destroying Germany's
>>desire or ability to fight another world war in our lifetime. They still
>>can't do it. This inhuman tragedy is discussed in a book entitled "Other
>>Losses." We did the same thing to the German soldiers that was done in
>>Auschwitz, only we allowed them about 1/2 the eating rations. It is not a
>>proud chapter. Patton, by the way, refused to go along. He let the Germans
>>go in Austria and Bavaria which he was governing, refusing to acknowledge
>>he received the orders. Good for Patton.

> Oh, please.  That whole story has been proven full of garbage ever since 
> _Other Losses_ came out.  The 3 million figure is based on an obvious typo 
> on one silly report, from which people have created this vast conspiracy to 
> kill German POWs.  There were no 3 million deaths.  The Germans (who one 
> would think would have a vested interest in this sort of thing) have never 
> indicated any belief in the story.

Yes, one would think that the Germans WOULD have a vested interest in
getting the word out about how Eisenhower engineered the deaths of 3
million of their fighting men, but seeing as they're willing, even eager, to
believe the story about the "6 million", it sort of makes one realize that
one cannot expect any sort of sanity or reason from Germans these days.
(the German government, anyway)

Les




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MORRISON  KEITH MURRAY (t08o@unb.ca) writes:
> In article  bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:

(snip - a whole bunch of "white" killers that Andy Walton so thoughtfully
listed) 
 
>>It would be interesting to do racial backgrounds on all the "white" serial
>>killers you've named. 

> Funny.  Out of 20 people (I'm omitting the Unabomber) Les names 4 he has 
> problems with.  That leaves 16 (75%) that are classed as white.

You completely ignored my comment about doing the racial background,
Keith.  No surprise there, though.
 
> Oh, and as to the backgrounds, that has been done.  _Hunting Humans_ (1986) 
> did a profile on selected serial killers and mass murderers.

I've read it.  I said a RACIAL background, not some PC sermonizing about
"economics" and "dysfunctional" families.

> The conclusions drawn were that the modern serial killer is usually a member
> of the class that society is putting under the most stress, usually comes
> from a broken or very dysfunctional home and has some sort of social stigma.  

Hmm... the class under the most stress, social stigma, dysfunctional
families (I would call families where both mother and father are absent
10-12 hours a day dysfunctional)... sounds like Whites, particularly White
males.

> That is why most serial killers come from lower or middle class origins and 
> are usually children of single parents or adopted.  The author indicated 
> that serial killers are usually a byproduct of rapid social change, sort of 
> a warped version of Toffler's Future Shock, which is why the modern serial 
> killer period is considered to have begun in the 1950s.  In the late 
> medieval-early Rennaisance your average serial killer would probably be a 
> member of the upper class which was feeling threatened by a more powerful 
> middle and mercantile class whic grew at the expense of the aristocracy.
> 
> Mass murders, on the other hand, just tend to be apprently normal people who 
> have suffered some percieved misjustice at the hands of some group and then 
> go looking for some revenge.  Usually there is a connection between the 
> murderer and the victims, for example Lepine felt that women in professional 
> roles were threatening, so he selected a class of engineers to kill.  Valery 
> Fabrikant went after his collegues.  The McDonald's killer selected a 
> restaurant in a predominently Black/Latino area of LA.  
> 
> Mass murderers and serial killers tend to have distinctive styles, although 
> there is some overlap.  Charles Starkweather went on a killing spree that 
> lasted over a period of time, as did Alan Legere, so they might not be true 
> serail killers or mass murders, although in both cases some of the murders 
> were purely arbitrary.

The author of _Hunting Humans_ is obviously scared of his own shadow when
it comes to mentioning race.  Like I said, Keith, it would be interesting
to do a RACIAL background of those serial killers/mass murderers, and see
if there's any support for the hypothesis that mixing races creates an
unstable psyche.

Les





From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Dec 20 09:18:00 PST 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Serial killers... (was: C-FAR and its links to White Supremacy)
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Michael P. Stein (mstein@access5.digex.net) writes:
> In article ,
> Leslie Griswold  wrote:
>>Andy Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
>>> Charles Manson
>>
>>Charles Manson never actually killed anyone, Andy-panda.
> 
>     Is there any doubt in anyone's mind that if Manson (who directed the
> killings) had been nonwhite, he would have appeared on hypocritical
> Leslie's list? 

Actually, there HAS been some slander thrown against Charles Manson,
accusing him of being part negro.  I don't buy it.

In any event, my "list" consisted of refuting some very basic
misconceptions about race that Andy Walton apparently has.

>>> Joseph P. Franklin

>>Who killed mixed-race couples.  So?
> 
>     Well, Leslie, if someone killed you and Sylvie I suppose it couldn't
> be called killing a mixed-race couple - from the remark above, and others,
> it's clear neither one of you is a member of the human race. 

Oh, god, I'm so WOUNDED!

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Dec 20 09:18:01 PST 1995
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william c anderson (libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> 
> : > Joseph P. Franklin
> 
> : Who killed mixed-race couples.  So?
> 
> Let's get this right out in the open, Griswold, so everybody can see
> what kind of guy you are.  In the sentence above, are you advocating
> the murder of mixed-race couples?

Nope.  I'm simply saying that to put Joseph Paul Franklin, a murderer of
mixed-race couples, in the same category as Hulon Jeffries (better known
as Yahweh ben Yahweh, a negro in Florida who ordered his cultists to kill
whites JUST BECAUSE THEY WERE WHITE) is warped.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Dec 20 09:18:07 PST 1995
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Android Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>   :MORRISON  KEITH MURRAY (t08o@unb.ca) writes:
>   :> Well, I may not have to worry about going out late at night but some of my 
>   :> female friends do.  Funny about all those assaults, though.  White guys to 
>   :> the one.  Come to think of it, are not most mass murderers and serial 
>   :> killers white?  Jeez, those goddamn white guys, you're not safe out on the 
>   :> street while they're around.
>   :
>   :Oh, you mean white like David Berkowitz (jew), Richard Ramirez (spic),
>   :Jeffrey Dahmer (fag), John Wayne Gacy (also a fag, and a pedophile to
>   :boot), Ted Bundy (mongrel).  Do tell us some more, Keith.
> 
> Nicholas Bianchi and Angelo Buono (the hillside stranglers)
> Charles Manson

Charles Manson never actually killed anyone, Andy-panda.

> Richard Speck
> Jim Jones

Part negro, part indian.  And his followers, who WILLINGLY committed
suicide, were mostly negroes.

> Ed Gein (the inspiration for Hitchcock's "psycho" and Hooper's 
>          "Texas Chainsaw Massacre")
> Leonard Lake
> Albert Fish
> Joseph P. Franklin

Who killed mixed-race couples.  So?

> Albert DeSalvo (the Boston Strangler)
> Charlie Starkweather
> Bobby Joe Long
> the Unabomber

Who remains unidentified, but what the hell, let's throw him into the
White group, eh?

> Henry Lee Lucas
> Charles Whitman (tower at the University of Texas)
> Pat Sherrill (an Oklahoma post office)
> Marc Lepine (l'Ecole Polytechnique, Montreal)

Half Arab.

> Howard Unruh (an afternoon spree in Camden, NJ--13 dead in 12 minutes)
> 
> and three white men whose names I forget, but you'll remember the locations:
> Luby's cafeteria
> a McDonald's in San Diego
> a schoolyard in Stockton, CA.

It would be interesting to do racial backgrounds on all the "white" serial
killers you've named. 

> Need I go on?

Be my guest.  You're a laugh-riot, and you're doing more to cripple the
"love-thy-nigger" cause than we ever could.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Dec 20 09:18:13 PST 1995
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Michael P. Stein (mstein@access5.digex.net) writes:
> In article ,
> Les Griswold  wrote:
>>The author of _Hunting Humans_ is obviously scared of his own shadow when
>>it comes to mentioning race.  Like I said, Keith, it would be interesting
>>to do a RACIAL background of those serial killers/mass murderers, and see
>>if there's any support for the hypothesis that mixing races creates an
>>unstable psyche.
> 
>     Well, we have a mixed-race society and Leslie's psyche is obviously 
> unstable.  Post hoc ergo propter hoc?

Au contraire, Mikey.  My psyche is extremely stable.  But I guess you
consider anyone who's "anti-semitic" to be unstable.  Shall we throw the
polls open?

Les



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Dec 20 09:18:14 PST 1995
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Harry "Cool" Katz (hkatz@earth.usa.net) writes:
> In article ,
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) whines:
> 
> 	Hmm... the class under the most stress, social stigma,
> 	dysfunctional families (I would call families where both mother
> 	and father are absent 10-12 hours a day dysfunctional)...
> 	sounds like Whites, particularly White males.
> 
> How do "White males" decide who gets to play the "mother" in these
> dysfunctional families?
> 
> But seriously, doesn't Mr. Griswold cite family dysfunction as a
> proof of racial inferiority when looking at non-"White" races?  Yet,
> here it is suddenly a badge of honor for the "White" race!

Where, Harry?
 
> Furthermore, doesn't Mr. Griswold consider complaints such as this to
> be nothing but whining when it comes from non-"White" races?  Yet,
> here he feels that whining is an appropriate "White" characteristic!

Amazing.  You view legitimate pointing out of the problems facing the
White race as "whining", yet you refuse to see non-White whining for what
it is.  Oh, the duplicity of jews...

Les




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Ken McVay OBC (kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca) writes:
> In article , Les Griswold wrote:
> 
>>Yes, one would think that the Germans WOULD have a vested interest in
>>getting the word out about how Eisenhower engineered the deaths of 3
>>million of their fighting men, but seeing as they're willing, even eager, to
>>believe the story about the "6 million", it sort of makes one realize that
>>one cannot expect any sort of sanity or reason from Germans these days.
>>(the German government, anyway)
> 
> The correct figure is much closer to 12-million, Mr. Griswold,
> but I wouldn't expect you to know that - you're long on talk
> and short on reality.

To WHOM do the Germans pay reparations?
 
> Perhaps the reason the German government, and the German
> people, accept the reality of the Holocaust is that they are
> fully aware of that reality. It permeates their lives, its
> documents and testimonies fill their warehouses. That reality,
> Mr. Griswold, is beyond question.. except, of course, for
> spiteful, xenophobic extremists who have a vested interest in
> cleansing the Hitler image.

And it could be because the hollow-cause was a piece of wartime propaganda that 
the victorious Allies simply COULDN'T deny after WWII, and so they badgered the 
defeated Germans into accepting it.

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william c anderson (libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : william c anderson (libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu) writes:
> : > Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : > 
> : > : > Joseph P. Franklin
> : > 
> : > : Who killed mixed-race couples.  So?
> : > 
> : > Let's get this right out in the open, Griswold, so everybody can see
> : > what kind of guy you are.  In the sentence above, are you advocating
> : > the murder of mixed-race couples?
> 
> : Nope.  I'm simply saying that to put Joseph Paul Franklin, a murderer of
> : mixed-race couples, in the same category as Hulon Jeffries (better known
> : as Yahweh ben Yahweh, a negro in Florida who ordered his cultists to kill
> : whites JUST BECAUSE THEY WERE WHITE) is warped.
> 
> No, I'm afraid I still don't understand.  Jeffries ordered the deaths 
> of whites "just because they were white," while Franklin caused the 
> deaths of mixed-race couples just because one of them was white and 
> one of them was black.  Sounds perfectly equivalent to me--both of 
> these guys were evil motherfuckers.  If you don't agree, please 
> elaborate--'cause I gotta tell you, Les, that it sounds very much as 
> if you're saying that mixed-race couples deserve to die because they
> don't share your rather strange sexual mores.  If that's the case,
> it's scary--but not surprising, coming from you.

Billy, I've said it before, and I'll say it again.  Whites are more
valuable than non-Whites, particularly negroes.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Dec 20 10:19:06 PST 1995
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David Whitt (davwhitt@med.unc.edu) writes:
> In article ,
> Les Griswold  wrote:
>>>>but this issue is just completely out of hand now days everybody thinks it
>>>>(ie, homosexuality) is just perfectly OK.
>>
>>> Is that why it is still illegal for me to have sex, and get married?  Is
>>> it because everybody thinks it is just perfectly OK that most gays can
>>> still get fired from their jobs soley because of their sexuality?
>>
>>Get a grip.
> 
> 
> You white supremacists raise hell when you can't get a job because you
> feel it was because you were white.  How would you feel about loosing your
> job because you were white?  You tell me to get a grip when my people ARE
> persecuted and yet you whine all of the time about white's being
> discriminated against!?!  You need to get a grip - on reality.

The reality is, homos can get all sorts of judicial satisfaction if they
bring lawsuits of "discrimination" against their former employers.  White
guys can't.
  > 
>>> Is that why gay-related hate-crimes are up ever year?  Gee, I thought they
>>> didn't like us.
>>
>>That should give you pause for thought, David.  WHY does the thought of
>>homosexuality stir up such intense feelings of nauseau and intense dislike 
>>among otherwise calm people?  
> 
> Because ignorant SOBs like you preach that homosexuality is evil and that
> gays need to be beaten up or at least harassed.

I don't "preach" that homosexuality is evil, or that gays need to be
beaten up and/or harrassed.  Get a grip.  I've yet to see a homo, or a
homo advocate, who can stick to the facts.

> Most straight people I've met don't have a problem with it.  Most normal
> people don't hate everyone who is unlike them.

Been doing some polling, have you?  Is this gonna be a new position of
homophiles, that "most" straights don't have a problem with 'em, just like
the "10%"?

> Unforunately there are defects in our society, like you, who go around
> spewing the seeds of hate trying to stir up intense feelings and dislike.

Actually...

If anyone stirs up the hate, it's showboating faggots who INSIST on
outrageous public displays of perversion.  If you guys stuck to the
hold-my-lover's-hand-without-getting-assaulted bit, you'd probably make a
lot of progress.  But Gay Pride parades INVARIABLY have large contingents
of cross-dressers, leather guys, S&M types, and generally flippant types,
who are only too happy to slot themselves into the stereotypes.

> The arguement you just gave could have been used by Hitler against the Jews
> since many Germans were preached into hating them.
> Hate is not natural.  It is learned.

Re your comments about Germans being "preached into hating them (ie
jews)".  Many Germans hated jews LONG before Hitler came on the scene. 
And guess what?  Many Germans still do.

And regarding your liberal mantra, "Hate is not natural, it is learned": 
that's just another way of saying "I'm right, you're wrong, so there!"

>>> Rome was a Christian city when it fell.  It was powerful when it was a
>>> pagan city full of orgies and gladiators.  Pompei was knocked out by a
>>> volcano because, suprise suprise, it was situated next to an active
>>> volcano.  
>>
>>Interesting point.  Rome was founded by a pagan tribe, flourished for over
>>a thousand years, and within two centuries of embracing Christianity, it
>>collapsed.
> 
> I did not mean to infer that because of Christianity Rome fell.  I meant
> to say that because one is a Christian that doesn't protect them from
> natural disasters as the original poster said.  By the time of Constantine
> Rome was having serious economic and political difficulties.  No religion
> could have saved her by then.

Rome was not only facing serious economic and political difficulties, it
was also facing severe RACIAL and MORAL difficulties.  You're right, no
religion could have saved Rome by the time of Constantine.

Les




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Chris Iggulden (igguldec@cadvision.com) writes:
> In article <30d1caf0.5504515@Concord01.pop.internex.net>, bob@ezon.com
> (Bob) wrote:

>> In addition, the homosexual community, when compared to the general
>> population  also has:
>> 
>>  - Higher percentage of suicide
> Not surprising given the hate and bigotry we have to face every single day
> of our lives. Just because we happen to love members of the same sex.
> Another alarming stat is that it is estimated that 33% of teenage suicide
> is a direct result of feelings of homosexuality.

Estimated by whom?  The Kinsey Institute?  Is this going to become the new
mantra, since you were forced to give up your sacred "10%"?

> Perhaps it is time for bigoted homohaters to stop making it so hard for our
> youth who are gay to accept it.

And would you call an adult who stops a kid from playing with a
hand-grenade a control freak?  Actually, you probably would.

>>  - Higher percentage Mental disease 
> 
> And where does this come from? WHat is your source and who is the control
> group.

I certainly find this easier to believe than your "33%" number, which you
provided without any reference whatsoever.  Homosexualtiy itself is a
mental disease, so it makes sense.

(snip)

>> The "Gay Pride Parade" complete with NAMBLA members proudly marching
>> in the parade and people representing the most extremes of human
>> sexual activity. Many that require a victim (willing or not) such as
>> S&M or pedophile and call for intentional physical harm and torture to
>> other people are allowed in the parade.
> 
> This is getting very old...NAMBLA is not part of the gay community. Every
> gay person I know condemns them and finds them and their behavior to be
> repulsive.

Then it is YOUR responsibility to make sure that NAMBLA doesn't have a
contingent at every single "Gay Pride" parade, not ours to realize that
NAMBLA isn't a part of your community.

> Straight people practice S&M ... is that ok? S&M is predicated
> on mutual consent...and has nothing to do wiht anyone being the
> victim...and as for pedophilia, over 95% of the perpetrators are
> heterosexual men and besides it is against the law and has nothing to do
> with homosexuality. 

And over 97% of the population is heterosexual.  And pedophillia DOES have
a lot to do with homosexuality.  See, homosexuality used to be against the
law, and now it isn't.  Pedophillia is currently against the law, but I
wonder how many generations down the line will my descendants see that it
isn't? (the campaign to rename it "intergenerational sex" is just the start)

(snip)

> The gay community has a long and varied history. We will not sell out our
> brothers (the Drag Queens) and our sisters (the butch dyke) who manned and
> wommanned the front lines against oppression. Yes, some aspects of the gay
> community are outlandish and excessive...but that can be said of any
> culture. There are heterosexual crossd-dressers as well.

You've been reading too much Ann Landers.

> Our culture is different but we accept and respect those who are willing to
> stand out and to work for change. Why should we have to become more like you??

Why, indeed?  Because we don't want to become like you?

(snip)

>... Why do you have a problem with what consenting adults want to do together
> in their bedrooms?

Ahh, the sign that the homophile's argument is falling to pieces.

Well, "Bob", when what people, even "consenting adults", do "in their
bedroom" attacks the very structure of a stable society, then it becomes
the business of society.  Anarchy is inevitably the result of putting
individual rights above social rights.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Dec 20 10:19:10 PST 1995
Article: 8635 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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Frank Weltner (potato@mo.net) writes:
> I find this thread to be a oxymoron. If black Africans could evolve, they
> would have done so. They have gone nowhere since they were brought over
> here. They are more like monkey see, monkey do with a few notable
> exceptions like Clarence Thommas, Thomas Sowell, and Alan Keyes all three
> of whom any ignorant black nigger worth his salt will tell you are nothing
> but Oreos and boot lickers. This race is a dead end. Period. History has
> proven it. Only genetic engineering could help africans, and that's just a
> theory and has not been proven.

That's an interesting question, Frank:  if negores were genetically
engineered to not be failures, would they still be negroes?

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Dec 20 10:19:11 PST 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Bacilli of the Genus Garza.
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Steve Garza (sgarza@csubak.edu) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> You liberals are really funny, asking us a question, and then answering it
>> with your own little prejudices that the media have taught you.  "White
>> separatists are really out to kill all non-Whites!  Don't bother listening
>> to their answers!  We know already!"
> 
> Les, first of all I am not a liberal. I don't know what I am exactly, but
> I am not a liberal. Second, I know that many, if not most white
> supremacists would probably not kill minorities. But most of them would
> probably stand idle and let other more fanatical elements do so.

I DO know what you are:  you're an asshole, and a big stinking,
never-been-wiped one, at that.


(snip)

>> > What is the difference between you and a Muslim fanatic who would kill
>> > anyone who doesn't think like him?
>> 
>> The differences are:
>> 
>> 1)  Sylvie's not a Muslim.
>> 
>> 2)  She has NEVER said that non-Whites and liberals should be killed. 
>> That's what YOU twinkies say we say.  What I believe (and so does Sylvie)
>> is that non-Whites and liberals have to be REMOVED from our midst, or the
>> White race will die.

> They will die? If change is dying then I suppose, yes they will die. That
> is what time is all about. Nothing stays the same. I just hope our
> societies change for the better and that we find a stable population that
> lives rich, fulfilled lives.

Oh, give us all a break.  Go post this garbage on
alt.losers.kurt.cobain.fans.
 
> Moving people against their will Les, is just one stage away from
> attacking or killing them. Who wants to pick up and move away from
> everything that is familiar to them? In a similar way Les, I can't force
> people to live in a eugenics or science state. I may think it would be
> best for people, but to force them into something like that would be
> asking for trouble. You can only hope to present your ideas and have
> people weigh the costs and benefits for themselves.

Well, Stevie, if the facts of survival are presented FAIRLY to those
concerned, you'd be surprised at what people want.
 
> Our individual human lives are short. Our industrial society itself is
> also mortal and reliant on non-renewable resources. When things slow down
> again, when the hustle and bustle is over, then people can perhaps live in
> city states such as ancient Athens or Sparta. Then people can experiment
> with social designs that can only be achieved over vast periods of time
> and with an extended focus on a single purpose.

Yet another point where you and I differ:  Sparta was clearly superior to
Athens.
 
(snip)

>> > If the whole wide world was white, blond haired, and blue eyed then
>> > something else like beliefs or status in society would be the reason for
>> > hate. Find out what it is that you really hate in our world. Saying you
>> > really hate Jews, blacks, hispanics and the like is not acceptable.
>> 
>> Why not?  Because you say so?
> 
> No Les. Because those evil vices you hate in others exist in everyone. If
> you can't focus on the underlying causes, then you are only treating the
> symptoms. 

I disagree.
 
>> Anyway, when has Sylvie EVER said that she hates jews, blacks, hispanics
>> and the like?  I want an EXACT QUOTE; nothing else will do the job.
> 
> If someone punches me in the face, do they have to say they're angry for
> me to know it?

When, for that matter, has Sylvie ever punched you (or anyone here) in the
face?  Stop getting hysterical.

Sylvie has said that she would rather not live with non-Whites.  That's
it.  That's all.  Stop jumping to conclusions.

>> > If you say Jews are conspirators and are corrupted, then hate
>> > conspiracies and corruption. If you hate blacks because you believe they
>> > are stupid, aggressive or the like, then hate stupidity or aggression in
>> > all people. Because anything you hate in the "others" is found in you and
>> > within your race too.
>> 
>> Thank you for the words of wisdom, Father Garza.  But, since I don't think
>> that you have an ounce of credibility, they sorta have not as much weight
>> with us as they might otherwise.
> 
> Credibility? That above is my honest opinion. It's how I feel on the
> issue. How can I be any more credible than that?

Because you're so monumentally stupid, you lack credibility.
 
>> You can't win a war if you don't identify the enemy.  Diseases were not
>> cured by misplaced compassion for the bacilli, dude.
> 
> Here Les compares compassion for one's fellow man with the compassion for
> bacteria. Hey Les, don't you know you wouldn't be alive if it wasn't for
> all the good bacteria in the world and in your gut?

I never denied that SOME kinds of bacteria are useful, even necessary for
our survival.  However, that doesn't give a blank cheque to ALL bacteria.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Dec 20 10:29:36 PST 1995
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Subject: Re: Sickening... (Are people so blind???)
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Jeffrey G. Brown (jeff_brown@pol.com) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:

(snip)

>> But the best protection along racial lines
>> can be provided by racial separation.  With no negroes around, the
>> incidence of black-on-white crime will drop to ZERO.
> 
> Why stop with 'protection along racial lines'? With no teenagers around,
> the incidence of young-on-old muggings will drop to ZERO. With no husbands
> around, the incidence of husband-on-wife crime will drop to ZERO. With no
> parents around, the incidence of parent-on-child crime will drop to ZERO.
> With no white racists around, the incidence of white-racist-on-non-white
> crime will drop to ZERO.

Now you're just being plain stupid.  Parents, teenagers, husbands (and
wives), white racists, are ALL necessary.  Negroes are not.
 
> All those types of crime happen, too. The only surefire way to prevent
> those, and any other, crimes from happening is to make certain that no
> person ever comes in contact with any other. That is the goal, isn't it?
> Zero crime? If that's what you _really_ want, and separation is the 'best
> protection', then you arrive unfailingly at the conclusion that no one
> should be around anybody, ever.

Zero crime, where the fabric of our society isn't torn apart.  Stable
families are NECESSARY to our society, and just because the occaisional
one goes haywire, is no reason to condemn the institution.  Of course, you
refuse to see that stable families are necessary in a way that negores are
NOT.
 
> The other possibility, of course, is that what you really want is not to
> have any non-whites around because you just don't like non-whites. That's
> fine; you are absolutely entitled to dislike anyone you want for whatever
> reason, or no reason at all.

Why, how mighty White of you to give me permission.

> It's another thing entirely, however, to strip the property, rights, and
> citizenship from an entire group of people, including those who are guilty of
> no crime whatever, based solely on your personal dislikes. What you advocate
> is the violation of due process on the basis of race (or some other quality
> -- your definiton of 'white' sems to change whenever it suits you) alone. 

And...?  My politics don't agree with yours.  So why are you getting your
shorts in a knot?  I really hate to deprive you of your naivety, you seem
so happy being ignorant, but the government abrogates due process and
civil rights ALL THE TIME, based on race alone.  It just so happens that I
prefer my OWN race to another, unlike those sick, sick liberals, who
supposedly love every race but their own (at this point, I must bring up a
point that F.W. keeps mentioning, namely, if liberals love non-Whites so
much, why aren't they living down and dirty with 'em?)

(snip)

>> Bullbleep.  The ONLY emotion that non-racists feel when presented by
>> racists is screaming revulsion, baiting, name-calling, and argument for
>> the sake of distancing themselves.
> 
> And when did you first realize you possessed these awesome telepathic
> abilities, Griswold?
> 
> You may well have observed the reactions you describe in some non-racists.
> You can have no basis on which to claim that all non-racists react in this
> way, as you have almost certainly not encountered every non-racist on the
> planet. Beware of generalizations; their use has damaged your credibility
> far too often in the past.

Yes, my credibility is just SO damaged.  Jeffrey, I've observed MANY
anti-racists, both here and elsewhere.  Lack of universal exposure to
anti-racists doesn't invalidate my observations, however much you may wish
it did.

>> Don't play the wounded diva bit with me, Brown.
> 
> Hmmm... can this be the same Les Griswold who just one sentence back was
> bemoaning the use of name-calling as a tactic by non-racists? Odd, how the
> temptation to use that tactic in one's own cause can change one's
> perception of its acceptability.

Not bemoaning, just pointing out facts.  Really, Jeffrey, you should stop
this running like a feeb, jumping to conclusions.  It's getting tiresome.

(snip)

> "Proved you wrong"? Well, put whatever spin you like on it, Griswold. I
> would say that what was actually proved in this case was that:
> 
>   (1) You are entirely willing to make an assertion without any real
> supporting evidence;
>   (2) When pressed, you will happily cite a source that turns out not to
> contain anything remotely resembling the information you claim it does;
> and...
>   (3) When this second error is pointed out, rather than admit your
> deception, you prefer to hide behind a wall of silence breached only by
> the occasional inch-high "FUCK YOU".

The inch-high "FUCK YOU" that you are refering to was sent to you because
you're obviously too stupid to realize that your e-mail is unwanted.  Why,
after a year, have you been unable to take a hint?
 
> You are right when you say that the war is far from over. It will be
> centuries before the last vestiges of racism are erased from the various
> cultures of the planet, but I'm confident that it will happen eventually.
> In the meantime, the battles between those who see all children as
> deserving of a future and those who do not will continue.

Oh, dream on, Brown.

What, no notice that this was "posted and e-mailed"?

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Dec 20 10:29:37 PST 1995
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Subject: Re: HOMOS MOLEST KIDS (Was: Re: I'm White and I'm Oppressed!)
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Chris Iggulden (igguldec@cadvision.com) writes:
> In article <30d1caf0.5504515@Concord01.pop.internex.net>, bob@ezon.com
> (Bob) wrote:

>> In addition, the homosexual community, when compared to the general
>> population  also has:
>> 
>>  - Higher percentage of suicide
> Not surprising given the hate and bigotry we have to face every single day
> of our lives. Just because we happen to love members of the same sex.
> Another alarming stat is that it is estimated that 33% of teenage suicide
> is a direct result of feelings of homosexuality.

Estimated by whom?  The Kinsey Institute?  Is this going to become the new
mantra, since you were forced to give up your sacred "10%"?

> Perhaps it is time for bigoted homohaters to stop making it so hard for our
> youth who are gay to accept it.

And would you call an adult who stops a kid from playing with a
hand-grenade a control freak?  Actually, you probably would.

>>  - Higher percentage Mental disease 
> 
> And where does this come from? WHat is your source and who is the control
> group.

I certainly find this easier to believe than your "33%" number, which you
provided without any reference whatsoever.  Homosexualtiy itself is a
mental disease, so it makes sense.

(snip)

>> The "Gay Pride Parade" complete with NAMBLA members proudly marching
>> in the parade and people representing the most extremes of human
>> sexual activity. Many that require a victim (willing or not) such as
>> S&M or pedophile and call for intentional physical harm and torture to
>> other people are allowed in the parade.
> 
> This is getting very old...NAMBLA is not part of the gay community. Every
> gay person I know condemns them and finds them and their behavior to be
> repulsive.

Then it is YOUR responsibility to make sure that NAMBLA doesn't have a
contingent at every single "Gay Pride" parade, not ours to realize that
NAMBLA isn't a part of your community.

> Straight people practice S&M ... is that ok? S&M is predicated
> on mutual consent...and has nothing to do wiht anyone being the
> victim...and as for pedophilia, over 95% of the perpetrators are
> heterosexual men and besides it is against the law and has nothing to do
> with homosexuality. 

And over 97% of the population is heterosexual.  And pedophillia DOES have
a lot to do with homosexuality.  See, homosexuality used to be against the
law, and now it isn't.  Pedophillia is currently against the law, but I
wonder how many generations down the line will my descendants see that it
isn't? (the campaign to rename it "intergenerational sex" is just the start)

(snip)

> The gay community has a long and varied history. We will not sell out our
> brothers (the Drag Queens) and our sisters (the butch dyke) who manned and
> wommanned the front lines against oppression. Yes, some aspects of the gay
> community are outlandish and excessive...but that can be said of any
> culture. There are heterosexual crossd-dressers as well.

You've been reading too much Ann Landers.

> Our culture is different but we accept and respect those who are willing to
> stand out and to work for change. Why should we have to become more like you??

Why, indeed?  Because we don't want to become like you?

(snip)

>... Why do you have a problem with what consenting adults want to do together
> in their bedrooms?

Ahh, the sign that the homophile's argument is falling to pieces.

Well, "Bob", when what people, even "consenting adults", do "in their
bedroom" attacks the very structure of a stable society, then it becomes
the business of society.  Anarchy is inevitably the result of putting
individual rights above social rights.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Dec 20 10:29:38 PST 1995
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Subject: Re: ARE EGYPTIANS WHITE?
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jake (aa@mail.tamu.edu) writes:
> Hello people r egyptians white or not????????????????

Not anymore.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Dec 20 10:29:39 PST 1995
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Frank Weltner (potato@mo.net) writes:
> I find this thread to be a oxymoron. If black Africans could evolve, they
> would have done so. They have gone nowhere since they were brought over
> here. They are more like monkey see, monkey do with a few notable
> exceptions like Clarence Thommas, Thomas Sowell, and Alan Keyes all three
> of whom any ignorant black nigger worth his salt will tell you are nothing
> but Oreos and boot lickers. This race is a dead end. Period. History has
> proven it. Only genetic engineering could help africans, and that's just a
> theory and has not been proven.

That's an interesting question, Frank:  if negores were genetically
engineered to not be failures, would they still be negroes?

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Dec 20 10:29:40 PST 1995
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Subject: Our REAL problem (was: If Whites are so superior...)
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Frank Weltner (potato@mo.net) writes:

(snip - Frank asking about anti-semitism)

> I agree. It's probably a German thing, part of the adolation of Hitler or
> something, by some white nationalists. I don't think this helps to produce
> a rational discussion of the real problems of multi-culturalism in the
> face of most societies being purposefully solo-cultural.

Frank, you are obviously against multi-"culturalism".  That's good,  But
why are you not looking at who is RESPONSIBLE for shoving this desturctive
doctrine down our throats?

Les




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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Why do racists shy away from jews?
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Racial Theorist (xyz@scsn.net) writes:
> potato@mo.net (Frank Weltner) wrote:
> 
>>If niggers were like Jews and asians, we'd be in heaven right here. But
>>they aren't and they never will be. They never produced a high
>>civilization, only grass huts, mud buildings, rough stone rooms, and
>>spears. 
> 
> i've got to agree with frank on this one.  around these parts, jews
> are our allies against the nigras, who are basically disorderly.  the
> orientals and the mexicans, the few we have around here, are our
> allies too.  and the mexicans and the orientals we have around here
> are generally orderly.  sometimes a mexican will get drunk and out of
> hand, but that's an exception, and i ain't never seen an oriental
> drunk.  about the only group around here who aren't our allies are the
> dotheads, who don't take baths and who you can't go within five feet
> of unless you hold your nose.

You have an incorrect grasp of the situation.  However civil and
well-behaved jews, orientals, and mexicans may be, you have to remember: 
they are NOT white.  Disliking negroes is not a basis for accepting OTHER
non-Whites as allies.

So you observe that many jews dislike negroes (well, who doesn't?)  But,
why not look at who is RESPONSIBLE for shoving those wretched evolutionary
dead-ends in our faces?

> other than being 1000% in favor of cutting off all u.s. aid to israel,
> which--let's face the facts, folks, is a terrorist government guilty
> of the same crimes hitler was quilty of--that is unless killing
> innocent arab women and children ain't a crime.

Hitler committed no "crimes".  He participated in a war.  To quote Gen.
R.E. Lee:  "War means fighting, and fighting means killing."

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Dec 20 10:29:41 PST 1995
Article: 11546 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Bacilli of the Genus Garza.
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Steve Garza (sgarza@csubak.edu) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> You liberals are really funny, asking us a question, and then answering it
>> with your own little prejudices that the media have taught you.  "White
>> separatists are really out to kill all non-Whites!  Don't bother listening
>> to their answers!  We know already!"
> 
> Les, first of all I am not a liberal. I don't know what I am exactly, but
> I am not a liberal. Second, I know that many, if not most white
> supremacists would probably not kill minorities. But most of them would
> probably stand idle and let other more fanatical elements do so.

I DO know what you are:  you're an asshole, and a big stinking,
never-been-wiped one, at that.


(snip)

>> > What is the difference between you and a Muslim fanatic who would kill
>> > anyone who doesn't think like him?
>> 
>> The differences are:
>> 
>> 1)  Sylvie's not a Muslim.
>> 
>> 2)  She has NEVER said that non-Whites and liberals should be killed. 
>> That's what YOU twinkies say we say.  What I believe (and so does Sylvie)
>> is that non-Whites and liberals have to be REMOVED from our midst, or the
>> White race will die.

> They will die? If change is dying then I suppose, yes they will die. That
> is what time is all about. Nothing stays the same. I just hope our
> societies change for the better and that we find a stable population that
> lives rich, fulfilled lives.

Oh, give us all a break.  Go post this garbage on
alt.losers.kurt.cobain.fans.
 
> Moving people against their will Les, is just one stage away from
> attacking or killing them. Who wants to pick up and move away from
> everything that is familiar to them? In a similar way Les, I can't force
> people to live in a eugenics or science state. I may think it would be
> best for people, but to force them into something like that would be
> asking for trouble. You can only hope to present your ideas and have
> people weigh the costs and benefits for themselves.

Well, Stevie, if the facts of survival are presented FAIRLY to those
concerned, you'd be surprised at what people want.
 
> Our individual human lives are short. Our industrial society itself is
> also mortal and reliant on non-renewable resources. When things slow down
> again, when the hustle and bustle is over, then people can perhaps live in
> city states such as ancient Athens or Sparta. Then people can experiment
> with social designs that can only be achieved over vast periods of time
> and with an extended focus on a single purpose.

Yet another point where you and I differ:  Sparta was clearly superior to
Athens.
 
(snip)

>> > If the whole wide world was white, blond haired, and blue eyed then
>> > something else like beliefs or status in society would be the reason for
>> > hate. Find out what it is that you really hate in our world. Saying you
>> > really hate Jews, blacks, hispanics and the like is not acceptable.
>> 
>> Why not?  Because you say so?
> 
> No Les. Because those evil vices you hate in others exist in everyone. If
> you can't focus on the underlying causes, then you are only treating the
> symptoms. 

I disagree.
 
>> Anyway, when has Sylvie EVER said that she hates jews, blacks, hispanics
>> and the like?  I want an EXACT QUOTE; nothing else will do the job.
> 
> If someone punches me in the face, do they have to say they're angry for
> me to know it?

When, for that matter, has Sylvie ever punched you (or anyone here) in the
face?  Stop getting hysterical.

Sylvie has said that she would rather not live with non-Whites.  That's
it.  That's all.  Stop jumping to conclusions.

>> > If you say Jews are conspirators and are corrupted, then hate
>> > conspiracies and corruption. If you hate blacks because you believe they
>> > are stupid, aggressive or the like, then hate stupidity or aggression in
>> > all people. Because anything you hate in the "others" is found in you and
>> > within your race too.
>> 
>> Thank you for the words of wisdom, Father Garza.  But, since I don't think
>> that you have an ounce of credibility, they sorta have not as much weight
>> with us as they might otherwise.
> 
> Credibility? That above is my honest opinion. It's how I feel on the
> issue. How can I be any more credible than that?

Because you're so monumentally stupid, you lack credibility.
 
>> You can't win a war if you don't identify the enemy.  Diseases were not
>> cured by misplaced compassion for the bacilli, dude.
> 
> Here Les compares compassion for one's fellow man with the compassion for
> bacteria. Hey Les, don't you know you wouldn't be alive if it wasn't for
> all the good bacteria in the world and in your gut?

I never denied that SOME kinds of bacteria are useful, even necessary for
our survival.  However, that doesn't give a blank cheque to ALL bacteria.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Dec 20 15:43:08 PST 1995
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Fresh816 (fresh816@aol.com) writes:
> That's right.  It's us filthy Jews.  We WANT to have to search all over
> creation to find lost relatives who are probably dead anyway in order to
> reconstruct family trees that have been almost thoroughly de-leaved.  We
> ENJOY hearing a 2-minute trumpet blast every Yom HaShoah.  We REVEL in the
> fact that we had to find refuge in a hostile land where we still are not
> safe.
> 
> That's why we perpetrate this awful hoax.  It's so ENJOYABLE.

And the reparations payments aren't too bad either, nor is the ability to
stifle discussion about multi"culturalism".

> Hey Griswold....get bent.

In the spirit...

Get screwed, Freshie.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Dec 20 18:30:59 PST 1995
Article: 8711 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Homosexuality spits in the face of natural law.
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David Whitt (davwhitt@med.unc.edu) writes:
> In article ,
> Les Griswold  wrote:
>>The reality is, homos can get all sorts of judicial satisfaction if they
>>bring lawsuits of "discrimination" against their former employers.  White
>>guys can't.
> 
> Please name one lawsuit in which a homosexual got any judicial
> satisfaction from their former employer.  I know of none.  Please name one
> case in which a white man was fired from his job for being white.  I know
> of none.  

Then you're ignorant, or lying.  Homos get monetary awards ALL THE TIME
>from  yelling "discrimination!"  You know it, I know it, everyone reading
this knows it.
   
>>>>That should give you pause for thought, David.  WHY does the thought of
>>>>homosexuality stir up such intense feelings of nauseau and intense dislike 
>>>>among otherwise calm people?  
>>> 
>>> Because ignorant SOBs like you preach that homosexuality is evil and that
>>> gays need to be beaten up or at least harassed.
>>
>>I don't "preach" that homosexuality is evil, or that gays need to be
>>beaten up and/or harrassed.  Get a grip.  I've yet to see a homo, or a
>>homo advocate, who can stick to the facts.
> 
> I suppose using the words faggot and homo and saying the thought of
> homosexuality stirs up intense feelings of nausea and dislike is your way
> of telling us how much you love us.  

Homo's accurate.  In any case, I never said that I took a "don't snoop,
don't tell" approach to homosexuality.  My view is, homosexuality is an
abberation that will burn itself out very quickly.  So it doesn't need
preaching against.

>>> Most straight people I've met don't have a problem with it.  Most normal
>>> people don't hate everyone who is unlike them.
>>
>>Been doing some polling, have you?  Is this gonna be a new position of
>>homophiles, that "most" straights don't have a problem with 'em, just like
>>the "10%"?
> 
> Excuse me, but did I say "Most straight people" or "Most straight people
> I've met"?  All of my friends, family, coworkers, and a good portion of my
> classmates know that I am gay and I have yet to have one problem.  I have
> walked down the street holding hands with my boyfriend and have yet to
> have a problem.

Then why are you so aquiver over "hate" crimes?  Are you one of those
Clintonesque softies who "feels everyone's pain"... everyone's pain
except that of heterosexual White males who don't think that perversion
is the cat's ass.
   
>>If anyone stirs up the hate, it's showboating faggots who INSIST on
>>outrageous public displays of perversion.  If you guys stuck to the
>>hold-my-lover's-hand-without-getting-assaulted bit, you'd probably make a
>>lot of progress.  But Gay Pride parades INVARIABLY have large contingents
>>of cross-dressers, leather guys, S&M types, and generally flippant types,
>>who are only too happy to slot themselves into the stereotypes.
> 
> How many gay pride marches have you been to?

I have been to one, thank you.  That was quite enough.

> What you see is what television shows and they will always show what they
> find excitable and provacative.

I don't watch much T.V.

In any case, why is the "excit(ing) and provocative" stuff even there?
"Oh, we're normal people.  Those guys in drag, those guys in leather,
those transsexuals, they're not us."

> They always dramatize events to make you watch.  Every pride march I've been
> to looked a lot like any other march.

You're so full of it, you're squeaking.  I've NEVER seen any other march
but a "Gay Pride" parade where they were throwing out CONDOMS, and where
contingents of Lesbian Avengers were going around with T-shirts that read
"I fuck to come, not to conceive" and banners reading "We recruit!"

> How about those outrageous displays by the KKK when they march with sheets
> over their heads and those outrageous displays by nazis saluting to a dead
> flag which symbolizes a loser?  

Oh, and there are JUST SO MANY Klan and nazi marches, aren't there?

Hey, bucko, let me tell you something:  the mayor of one of our cities
(city of Hamilton) got fined FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS for not proclaiming a
"Gay Pride" week for all the homos.

>>And regarding your liberal mantra, "Hate is not natural, it is learned": 
>>that's just another way of saying "I'm right, you're wrong, so there!"
> 
> So you are stating that hate is instinctive?  That Germans are born to
> hate Jews and whites are born hating blacks?  

Some kinds of what you call "hate" ARE instinctive, a built-in survival
mechanism.  What you types call "homophobia", for instance, is
instinctive revulsion for a perverted, anti-life doctrine and lifestyle.

Les


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Dec 20 18:31:00 PST 1995
Article: 8712 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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Tom Hartman (rottsdam@uclink2.berkeley.edu) writes:
> In article <4afvq2$ok0@ixnews7.ix.netcom.com>,
> Fastrain  wrote:

(snip)

>>Speaking of the act itself, it is pretty simple to see that nature
>>intended for male and female to unite sexualy, otherwise males would
>>be capable of conceiving. 
> 
> This theory of yours is disproved by the fact that in many cases, a sexual
> union of male and female are physiologically incapable of conception.  Or do
> you disagree with the fact that there are many childless mixed sex couples on
> waiting lists for adoption?

The majority of male/female couples have children.  There are NO male/male
or female/female couples that have produced children.

> Also, don't forget that sex is not just for procreation.

So what is it for, O Great Hedonist?

>>Leaving out any question of Christian,
>>ethics or the percribed moral law of most major religions, it is
>>obviously an unnatural act. I am not trying to say that it is morally
>>wrong that wouldn`t make any difference in this country. I am say-
>>ing it is a perversion of the natural funtion and mechanisims of
>>sexuality. 
> 
> Since you are leaving out religion, who exactly gets to define what "the
> natural function and mechanisms of sexuality" are?

It's pretty obvious what the natural function and mechanism of sexuality
is.  Only Politically Correct types, and those who have an interest in
seeing their perversion accepted as normal, get all huffy over this.
 
Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Dec 20 19:36:28 PST 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: HOMOS MOLEST KIDS (Was: Re: I'm White and I'm Oppressed!)
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Chris Iggulden (igguldec@cadvision.com) writes:
> In article <30d1caf0.5504515@Concord01.pop.internex.net>, bob@ezon.com
> (Bob) wrote:

>> In addition, the homosexual community, when compared to the general
>> population  also has:
>> 
>>  - Higher percentage of suicide
> Not surprising given the hate and bigotry we have to face every single day
> of our lives. Just because we happen to love members of the same sex.
> Another alarming stat is that it is estimated that 33% of teenage suicide
> is a direct result of feelings of homosexuality.

Estimated by whom?  The Kinsey Institute?  Is this going to become the new
mantra, since you were forced to give up your sacred "10%"?

> Perhaps it is time for bigoted homohaters to stop making it so hard for our
> youth who are gay to accept it.

And would you call an adult who stops a kid from playing with a
hand-grenade a control freak?  Actually, you probably would.

>>  - Higher percentage Mental disease 
> 
> And where does this come from? WHat is your source and who is the control
> group.

I certainly find this easier to believe than your "33%" number, which you
provided without any reference whatsoever.  Homosexualtiy itself is a
mental disease, so it makes sense.

(snip)

>> The "Gay Pride Parade" complete with NAMBLA members proudly marching
>> in the parade and people representing the most extremes of human
>> sexual activity. Many that require a victim (willing or not) such as
>> S&M or pedophile and call for intentional physical harm and torture to
>> other people are allowed in the parade.
> 
> This is getting very old...NAMBLA is not part of the gay community. Every
> gay person I know condemns them and finds them and their behavior to be
> repulsive.

Then it is YOUR responsibility to make sure that NAMBLA doesn't have a
contingent at every single "Gay Pride" parade, not ours to realize that
NAMBLA isn't a part of your community.

> Straight people practice S&M ... is that ok? S&M is predicated
> on mutual consent...and has nothing to do wiht anyone being the
> victim...and as for pedophilia, over 95% of the perpetrators are
> heterosexual men and besides it is against the law and has nothing to do
> with homosexuality. 

And over 97% of the population is heterosexual.  And pedophillia DOES have
a lot to do with homosexuality.  See, homosexuality used to be against the
law, and now it isn't.  Pedophillia is currently against the law, but I
wonder how many generations down the line will my descendants see that it
isn't? (the campaign to rename it "intergenerational sex" is just the start)

(snip)

> The gay community has a long and varied history. We will not sell out our
> brothers (the Drag Queens) and our sisters (the butch dyke) who manned and
> wommanned the front lines against oppression. Yes, some aspects of the gay
> community are outlandish and excessive...but that can be said of any
> culture. There are heterosexual crossd-dressers as well.

You've been reading too much Ann Landers.

> Our culture is different but we accept and respect those who are willing to
> stand out and to work for change. Why should we have to become more like you??

Why, indeed?  Because we don't want to become like you?

(snip)

>... Why do you have a problem with what consenting adults want to do together
> in their bedrooms?

Ahh, the sign that the homophile's argument is falling to pieces.

Well, "Bob", when what people, even "consenting adults", do "in their
bedroom" attacks the very structure of a stable society, then it becomes
the business of society.  Anarchy is inevitably the result of putting
individual rights above social rights.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Dec 20 23:56:10 PST 1995
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Ken McVay OBC (kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca), happy now that someone's paying 
attention to him, and that he can show his masters that he's worth it, writes:
> In article , 
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:

(snip)

>>> Perhaps the reason the German government, and the German
>>> people, accept the reality of the Holocaust is that they are
>>> fully aware of that reality. It permeates their lives, its
>>> documents and testimonies fill their warehouses. That reality,
>>> Mr. Griswold, is beyond question.. except, of course, for
>>> spiteful, xenophobic extremists who have a vested interest in
>>> cleansing the Hitler image.
> 
>>And it could be because the hollow-cause was a piece of wartime 
>>propaganda that the victorious Allies simply COULDN'T deny after 
>>WWII, and so they badgered the 
>>defeated Germans into accepting it.
> 
> It "could be," but it isn't, Mr. Griswold. The Holocaust is so
> well documented that it may take another hundred years or so
> just to get through the tens of thousands of pages of material
> no-one's had time to look at yet.

Oh, fer cryin' out loud...

The "tens of thousands of pages" that you refer to are ONLY the dreck and
other garbage that is repeated over and over by the likes of you, Kenny.

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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Dec 20 23:56:11 PST 1995
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Android Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>   :> Joseph P. Franklin
>   :
>   :Who killed mixed-race couples.  So?
> 
> So murdering "race traitors" doesn't count, eh?
> 
> Are you or are you not condoning the murder of mixed race couples? Just to
> clarify, the next time you pull out the "but we don't want to hurt anyone"
> protestations of wounded innocence.

When, Andy-panda, have I EVER used the "but we don't want to hurt anyone"
protestations?

Are you ALWAYS this confused?

>   :> the Unabomber
>   :
>   :Who remains unidentified, but what the hell, let's throw him into the
>   :White group, eh?
> 
> According to eyewitness reports, he's a middle-aged white male.

And according to eyewitness reports, flames shot out of the crematoria
chimneys...

Les




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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Serial killers... (was: C-FAR and its links to White Supremacy)
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Ken McVay OBC (kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca) writes:
> In article , 
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>>Android Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> 
>>> Are you or are you not condoning the murder of mixed race couples? Just to
>>> clarify, the next time you pull out the "but we don't want to hurt anyone"
>>> protestations of wounded innocence.
> 
>>When, Andy-panda, have I EVER used the "but we don't want to hurt anyone"
>>protestations?
> 
>>Are you ALWAYS this confused?
> 
> Translation: I don't want to answer your question, so I'll
> punt, and hope no-one will notice.

Actually, Shabbas Goy, the question is MINE, and it is, since you're so
ignorant, WHEN have I ever used the "but we don't want to hyrt anyone"
protestation?

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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Dec 21 09:43:24 PST 1995
Article: 17153 of alt.revisionism
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: There, there McVay (was: Griswold: Dreck & Garbage) 
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Ken McVay OBC (kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca) writes:
> In article , 
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
> [mcvay]
> 
>>> It "could be," but it isn't, Mr. Griswold. The Holocaust is so
>>> well documented that it may take another hundred years or so
>>> just to get through the tens of thousands of pages of material
>>> no-one's had time to look at yet.
> 
>>The "tens of thousands of pages" that you refer to are ONLY the dreck and
>>other garbage that is repeated over and over by the likes of you, Kenny.
> 
> I see. Let's make certain that I understand your position
> here, Mr. Griswold.
> 
> You maintain that all of the Wermacht records, all the SS
> records, all of the German diplomatic records, all the
> information in the Soviet archives, all of the Nazi legal
> records, transport documentation, and anything else I've
> forgotten which has been sitting in storage for decades,
> waiting for researchers to examine it, is, er "dreck and other
> garbage."
> 
> Is that correct, Mr. Griswold?
> You reject all of the SS records?
> You reject all of the Wermacht records?
> You reject all of the Nazi legal records?
> You reject all of the transport records?
> You reject all of the diplomatic records?
> Is that the essence of your scholastic position?
> 
> It is important to know these things, you see, for, as Mr.
> Moran insists, "He who asserts, proves."
> 
> So, Mr. Griswold, if in fact you assert that all of this
> material is "dreck and garbage," having never laid eyes on it,
> prove it.

Oh, you mean like Hitler's diaries?

BTW, Ken, nice to see you branching off onto soc.culture.german, so they
can see what sort of fearless paladins they have defending them.

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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Dec 21 10:27:56 PST 1995
Article: 8814 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Well, what's integration, then? (was: Bacilli of the Genus Garza.)
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Steve Garza (sgarza@csubak.edu) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:

(snip)

> Moving people against their will Les, is just one stage away from
> attacking or killing them.

So, what, then, is government-forced integration one step away from?  Love
and kindness?  If you liberals loved non-Whites like you say you do, you
wouldn't force them into situations where they might possibly be hurt. 
But, as I suspect, and liberal actions prove and prove again day after
day, liberals don't love non-Whites, they hate Whites.

Les


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Dec 21 10:35:02 PST 1995
Article: 11733 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: White Power is losing ground everyday
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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:
> In article , potato@mo.net
> (Frank Weltner) wrote:

(snip)

>  I think you practice restraint a great deal. However, if you
> * ever get attacked by a multi-culturalist criminal from the ghetto, you
> * will be an instant racist. We'll just wait for the "conversion."
> 
> You're assuming that I've never been the victim of a crime, and you're
> wrong. I am not a wide-eyed twenty year old idealist who needs to be
> "converted." I am cynical about most things, Frank, and have formed my
> belief system based on my own experiences, and I cannot write off groups
> of people as "subhuman" just because they look, believe, or act
> differently than me.

Crazy, Crazy, Crazy...

He's not talking about people who just "look, believe, or act differently"
than you.  He's talking about CRIMINALS, who mug, rape, murder, shoot up,
etc.  So knock off with the theorizing about "we are all one", you fucking
polygamous Mormon (check THAT one off on your census form!)

(snip)

>  Hope that
> * doesn't happen to you, but it easily could if you lived in the ghetto with
> * the hood bangers. They are scumbags.
> 
> Scumbags come in all colors.

The difference being, that there are MORE negro scumbags than non-negro
scumbags.  But you'd rather bite your own tongue off than admit that,
wouldn't you?

Les



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Dec 21 10:35:04 PST 1995
Article: 11766 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: The Week In Review, 20 December 95
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Racial Theorist (xyz@scsn.net) writes:
> folks:
> 
> 	it's been another good week for the white race on apw-p.  once again i
> am proud to report that all flame wars have been won by the white
> race.  there have been quite a few memorable moments this week.
> 	the funniest moment this week came when kenny mcvay (who was country
> when country wasn't cool) started posting on
> rec.music.country.western.  he went there because he found out the
> good reverend ron was posting there, and kenny went there to try to
> drum up some support for his nizkor project and he posted some stuff
> that the good reverend had written.  but folks, for some unknown
> reason, kenny didn't get a lot of support from the country and western
> fans, who don't seem to have a lot of sympathy for pompous
> multiculturalists like kenny.

Yep, Kenny's gotta show his masters that he's actually worth it, or they
may stop funding him...

> 	and folks, i visited kenny's web sight for the first time last week
> and was proud to see that he is archiving my posts along with les',
> reuben's, and the good reverend's.  we all need to thank kenny for
> doing this for us, because it saves us the trouble of archiving our
> own posts and each others.  i downloaded a meg of les's posts to read
> and study.  thank you, kenny!  i've been meaning to start archiving
> les' posts for awhile now, and i'm grateful to you for handling that
> for me.
> 	you know, the libs basically don't believe in free speech and they
> constantly write letters to our system administrators trying to get
> our accounts turned off because they don't want us to express our
> ideas, but then we've got kenny archiving the stuff so it can find a
> wider audience.  i'm going to talk with CLOC webwriter reuben logsdon
> about putting a link to kenny's page so that people who visit our page
> can go find our writings.  and maybe kenny will be kind enough to put
> a link to our page on his homepage.  what about it, kenny?  are you
> going to be a gentleman enough to put a link to our page on yours
> since we are going to put a link from ours to yours?  or are you going
> to be the dipshit you usually are and not return the favor?
> 	believe it or not, folks, i hadn't even read any of kenny's stuff
> until recently.  i wish i had been reading it all along because it's
> really a gas.  speaking of gas,--and i had to stay on kenny, as it's
> been a rough week for him, but i've got to mention one of the low
> points of the week:  he got caught in a lie.  yep, that's right folks.
> kenny, in reply to teri, said he didn't work in a gas station.  that's
> when morton busted him with quotes from morton's archives on how kenny
> does work in a gas station.  thanks for helping us keep kenny honest,
> morton.  and kenny, filler up with high test!  and clean the
> windshields real good while you're at it.  it's wall to wall nigras
> where i live and some little nigras might run out in front of my car
> and i want to be able to see to keep from running over them.

But I think the confusion stems from the word WORK.  Kenny was technically
correct when he said that he doesn't WORK at a gas station.  He would have
been lying if he had said he doesn't collect a paycheque from them, but as
for not working...

> 	 i ain't no jew lover, but jews ain't on the top of my list of
> priorities--nigras are.  and i'm just grateful there's nobody like
> kenny and his organization whose sole purpose in life is to prevent
> the re-enslavement of nigras like kenny's organization is dedicated to
> preventing the second holocaust, because i'd be really worried if
> there were such an organization.  i shouldn't be giving kenny such
> ideas, but folks, everybody knows kenny don't give a rat's ass about
> what happens to the poor nigras any more than anybody else does.

You really should be looking at who is shoving those nigras in our faces,
forcing us to work and live with 'em.

> 	basically, folks, kenny is a nutcase, plain and simple.
> 	as far as the other libs go, we ain't heard much from raggedy since we
> put him in his place about his riverside dictionary.  i guess he's
> still smarting.  carscadden has come back out of the woodwork and is
> busy impressing everybody with his pure ignorance.

But Crazy Jeannie keeps grinding out her boring, love-thy-nigger (as long
as you keep him far from ME) stuff.

> 	and weltner continues to do an excellent job of putting the libs back
> in their places.  and KT is back and has come through with some
> excellent material this week, and of course, newsgroup president les
> griswold continues to crank out high quality stuff.
> 
> in loyal service to the white race,
> 
> R.C. Richards, Racial Theorist
> 
> 
> visit the kinder, gentler CLOC homepage:
> 
> http://www.io.com/~wlp/aryan-page/cloc
> 
> ***************************
> *          CLOC           *
> *                         *   
> *  KEEPING AMERIKA WHITE  *
> *                         *
> ***************************
> 

Les



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Dec 21 10:35:06 PST 1995
Article: 11795 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: White Power is losing ground everyday
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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:

(snip)

Crazy to F. Weltner: 
> * > Scumbags come in all colors.
> * 
> * The difference being, that there are MORE negro scumbags than non-negro
> * scumbags.  But you'd rather bite your own tongue off than admit that,
> * wouldn't you?
> 
> You say that there's more, which makes me wonder where you got your
> information.

Gee, Klanwatch, for one.  In their December 1993 report, they released
information that FORTY-SIX PERCENT of racially motivated murders were
perpetrated by our dusky brethren, while they make up only 14% of the
population.

> I do not know about the criminal statistics,

And why do we get the sneaking impression that you're happy in your ignorance?

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Dec 22 01:33:49 PST 1995
Article: 11864 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Black boycotts...
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It's funny, really.  Liberal wing-nuts keep going on about "negro
boycotts", as if they're intended to accomplish anything.  Lemme tell ya
something, liberals:  the negroes need us far more than we need them.  And
my second point is:

How would your precious negroes fare under a WHITE boycott?  If Whites
REFUSED to have ANY transactions with negroes whatsoever?  How long do you
think your backward, evolutionary dead-ends would fare?

Y'know, you liberals really oughtta stop bandying about the idea of a
negro boycott... what if whites decided that turnabout is fair-play, and
put your negro boycott idea into action, only in reverse?

Les



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Dec 22 02:49:31 PST 1995
Article: 17274 of alt.revisionism
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Serial killers... (was: C-FAR and its links to White Supremacy)
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Michael P. Stein (mstein@access5.digex.net) writes:
> In article ,
> Les Griswold  wrote:
>>Ken McVay OBC (kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca) writes:
>>> In article , 
>>> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>> 
>>>>Andy Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
>>> 
>>>>> Are you or are you not condoning the murder of mixed race couples? Just to
>>>>> clarify, the next time you pull out the "but we don't want to hurt anyone"
>>>>> protestations of wounded innocence.
>>> 
>>>>When, Andy-panda, have I EVER used the "but we don't want to hurt anyone"
>>>>protestations?
>>> 
>>>>Are you ALWAYS this confused?
>>> 
>>> Translation: I don't want to answer your question, so I'll
>>> punt, and hope no-one will notice.
>>
>>Actually, Shabbas Goy, the question is MINE,
> 
>     The question "Are you or are you not condoning the murder of mixed
> race couples?" is not yours, and despite your best efforts, I for one
> still notice you're evading it. 

Then you're just as stupid as Kenny McOyVay is.  William C. Anderson
already asked me that; that Android, Kenny, and you are too
stupid/lazy/dishonest to have seen the answer is not my fault.


Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Dec 22 03:07:36 PST 1995
Article: 11936 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: A lot of survivors (was: Genetics Aryan Vs. Jew)
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Dawn Moline (dawnlyn@sundial.net) writes:
> In WW2 Hitler experimented on Aryans as well as Jews.  In the well 
> known death camps the jews survived Physical and emotional truama 
> uneqaled by any other human experience.  The amazing aspect of this 
> was the great number of survivors.

Yes, the number of jews who claim to be survivors of "Natsee death camps"
IS incredible.

> Hitler had failed to prove phyical superiority of his Aryans.  His eugenics
> experiments on Aryans were even more interesting.  He cross bred the best
> examples of Aryans that he could Find, assuming that the offspring would be 
> Supermen.  Instead they were ALL of sub-normal inteligence.  



Let's see some documentation.



> Whereas Jews average at the gifted to genius level on the standard 
> IQ scale.  He acctually proved the genetic superiority of Jews!!!

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Dec 22 03:07:38 PST 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Who's "everyone"? (was: NEWSFLASH)
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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:

(snip - Frank and Crazy having an exchange, Crazy denying reality by
coming out with the smarmy "scumbags come in all colours" bit, to which I
point out the following:)

> * Gee, Klanwatch, for one.  In their December 1993 report, they released
> * information that FORTY-SIX PERCENT of racially motivated murders were
> * perpetrated by our dusky brethren, while they make up only 14% of the
> * population.
> 
> OMIGOD OMIGOD OMIGOD!!!! Les gave an actual source for his information.
> Isn't this one of the signs of the Apocalypse? Look out your windows,
> folks -- are donkeys flying by?

Address the fact, and stop getting all cutesy:  NEGROES COMMIT VIOLENT
CRIME FAR OUT OF PROPORTION TO THEIR REPRESENTATION IN THE POPULATION. 
You'd admit it, too, except for your tendency to lie like a rug.

(snip)

> I am content in knowing that I am not omniscient. Are you happy knowing
> that everyone thinks you're a big stinky liar, who runs everytime you get
> caught? Huh?

Who's "everyone", Crazy?  All you libs?  Wake up and smell the coffee. 
The number of racists is growing every day.  A large contributor to that
fact is the behaviour of non-Whites.  Another is the fact that Whites are
growing increasingly sick of the slurs and outright lies that you P.C.
types hurl at them.  So keep it up.  You're digging your own graves.

Les



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Dec 22 03:07:38 PST 1995
Article: 11941 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Crazy:  off the deep end (was: Silver Spring Farm...)
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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:

> * (Silver Springs Farm, BTW, is a hostel for retards who are so bad that they
> * can't live on their own).
> 
> What would happen to the residents of Silver Springs Farm under the
> leadership of Dr. Pierce, Les?

They'd be segregated, and kept from breeding.  Happy?

> Your choice of terminology reveals your attitude toward people who don't live
> up to your intellectual standards.

No, my choice of terminology reveals that I'm willing to face reality,
something for which you liberals aren't exactly known.

> ... By your description, these people cannot live independently, nor can they
> earn a livable wage.

Not by my description, Crazy.  By reality.  I've actually SEEN the
residents of SSF, out on "excursions".  It's not MY fault that they're
severely retarded, and the reality of their existance doesn't deny the
reality of having to deal with them, but they are NOT going to be the tail
that wags the dog.

> What will happen to these people in your society?

I already told you:  they'd be segregated and kept from breeding.

> Will they share the same fate
> as ". . . the cowards[,] . . .  blabbermouths[,] . . . [i]nformers, fools,
> weakings and irresponsible jerks . . . " mentioned on page 6 of _The
> Turner Diaries_?*****

(The fate of these poeple, BTW, is expulsion from the Organization.   Really, 
Crazy, you oughtta stop these flights of shrieking hysteria)

> *****Disclaimer: In order to avoid violating copyright laws and causing
> William Pierce's panties to get in a bunch, I must say that I just started
> reading the book and so far, I think that it's a load of crap. This was my
> first review of the book. Stay tuned.

But why take Crazy Jeannie's word for it?  

National Vanguard Books
P.O. Box 330
Hillsboro, WV
24946  U.S.A.

Les



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Dec 22 03:07:39 PST 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Gettin' married, a la Crazy Jeannie! (was: The Week In Review...)
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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) drools:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:

(snip)

C.J.:
> * > Just wait until your kids are in their teens and you try and lay down the
> * > law about morality to them. Boy, are you going to get an earful!
> * 
> * I don't think so.  There won't be any "laying down of the law" necessary,
> * because our kids are not going to be a bunch of misbehaved whiggers who
> * need it.  They're going to be well-behaved White children, like they are
> * already.
> 
> You mean they won't be riding around with the racial theorist and mooning
> people on streetcorners? Les, you tell us how well behaved your kids are
> in about fifteen years. Until then, I really don't think that you have a
> clue about what might happen.

And neither do you have a clue, Crazy, so stop the clairvoyance.
 
(snip)

> * Oh, yes, Crazy, and you nail me just so good.  In your dreams, maybe, but
> * this ain't your fantasy world.  You may be able to tell Rob all about it,
> * but please spare us the gory details.
> 
> I didn't say that I nailed you in any sense, and the very suggestion that
> I might be "dreaming" about a twenty-four year old hatemonger really makes
> me queasy. 

You certainly DID say that I get "nailed" all the time, and if I recall
correctly, YOU claimed to do much of the "nailing".  But you rather
conveniently clipped that part, hoping that I wouldn't archive it, didn't
you?

(snip)

> * Honestly, Crazy, the only time you use your editor is to cut out any
> * uncomfortable accusations about the criminality of negroes.
> 
> As for using my editor, I try to leave enough text for people to have some
> sort of continuity between messages.

Oh, like hell!  Your "consideration" shows a surprising drop when it comes
to others providing proof about negroes and criminality.  I wonder why
that is?

> Sometimes the articles show up out of order or may not appear at all on some
> servers, and I try to be considerate for people who may be new readers.

Oh, BS, Jeannie.  Blame the system for your boorishness?  Hey, other
people cope with the system, why don't you?

(at this point, Crazy's gonna trot out my angst at the FreeNet last
August, trying to prove something)

> Hey, I'm not pasting in the ASCII Bell Curve or a 200 line ASCII Hitler,

Neither am I, Crazy, neither am I.

(snip)

Les


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Subject: Re: Griswold won't answer the question...
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Android Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> In article <4bd59i$6ka@news3.cts.com>, Daren Brittell  wrote:
> 
>   :Ken McOyVey likes to bog people down and side track them in order to keep 
>   :them from saying what everybody knows is true.
> 
> Bog down? Sidetrack? Ken was asking for a direct answer to a yes-or-no
> question. How convoluted is that? Are you confused by light switches?
> 
> To review, the question was:
> 
> Does Les Griswold condone the killing of mixed-race couples, or does he not?

And it's already been answered.  Really, Andy-panda, I don't see the need
to keep batting cleanup for you lazy, dishonest liberals.  William C.
Anderson already tried to play "Cliffhanger" with me on this one.  That
you, Kenny, and other libs are too lazy/stupid/dishonest to recognize an
answer when it's been received, isn't MY fault.

Les



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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Homosexuality spits in the face of natural law.
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David Whitt (davwhitt@med.unc.edu) writes:
> In article ,
> Les Griswold  wrote:

(snip)

>>Homo's accurate.  In any case, I never said that I took a "don't snoop,
>>don't tell" approach to homosexuality.  My view is, homosexuality is an
>>abberation that will burn itself out very quickly.  So it doesn't need
>>preaching against.
> 
> Sometimes it is not so much the word itself but the context in which you
> use it.  As for homosexuality burning itself out quickly, do you know
> nothing about ancient Greece?  Homosexuality has been around since the
> dawn of man.

Obviously, YOU'RE the one who doesn't know very much about ancient Greece.
 It's up to YOU to prove that the ancient Greeks practiced homosexuality
in even remotely the same form that it's practiced today.

>>Then why are you so aquiver over "hate" crimes?  Are you one of those
>>Clintonesque softies who "feels everyone's pain"... everyone's pain
>>except that of heterosexual White males who don't think that perversion
>>is the cat's ass.
> 
> I have gay friends who have been the victims of hate crimes.  I feel for
> them as well as the other gays out there.  We refer to each other (gays)
> as "family" since we have to look out for each other and stand united
> against cretins like you. 
>
> What pain do heterosexual white males feel?  Does it really hurt you when
> you see or hear a homosexual.

Would you grant any legitimacy to a "yes" response?

> I think I might like this:  LES, WE ARE EVERYWHERE!  WE ARE YOUR TEACHERS,
> DOCTORS, LAWYERS, RELATIVES!  WE WILL STILL BE AROUND WHEN YOU ARE DUST! 
> Feel a migraine coming on Les?

Not really.

"You" may be everywhere, but I have yet to see many teachers, doctors, or
lawyers define themselves by their sexuality.

>>> How many gay pride marches have you been to?
>>
>>I have been to one, thank you.  That was quite enough.
> 
> Is that what made you go back into the closet?

Oh, here we have the "Homo haters are really fags themselves!" argument. 
This shows that you guys are really reaching.

(snip)

>>In any case, why is the "excit(ing) and provocative" stuff even there?
>>"Oh, we're normal people.  Those guys in drag, those guys in leather,
>>those transsexuals, they're not us."
> 
> Because gays are more tolerant of others, unlike many straights.  We do
> not shun somone just because they are different.  They may not be like us,
> but they are still "family".

Remember, you said it, not I.

It's amazing, really.  In one breath, you say that homos are normal, and
then you say shit like "we're more tolerant of others, unlike many straights", 
and justify having the weirdos around.
  > 
>>You're so full of it, you're squeaking.  I've NEVER seen any other march
>>but a "Gay Pride" parade where they were throwing out CONDOMS, and where
>>contingents of Lesbian Avengers were going around with T-shirts that read
>>"I fuck to come, not to conceive" and banners reading "We recruit!"
> 
> How about thos clan marches where they're burning crosses?  

And there are JUST SO MANY of "thos (sic) clan (sic again) marches", eh
David?  When was the last one?  Skokie, 1972?
  
>>> How about those outrageous displays by the KKK when they march with sheets
>>> over their heads and those outrageous displays by nazis saluting to a dead
>>> flag which symbolizes a loser?  
>>
>>Oh, and there are JUST SO MANY Klan and nazi marches, aren't there?
> 
> They have them down here in the south quite often.

Like when?
 
(snip)

>>Some kinds of what you call "hate" ARE instinctive, a built-in survival
>>mechanism.  What you types call "homophobia", for instance, is
>>instinctive revulsion for a perverted, anti-life doctrine and lifestyle.
> 
> How can you say gays are anti-life?  I work in a hospital saving lives
> every day.  You do not know us so don't judge us.  

And YOU don't know ME, so don't judge ME.
 
Les




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Subject: Sometimes, liberals don't realize the obvious...
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It's really funny when liberals don't realize what they're doing. 
Consider the following:

A TASTE OF DIVERSITY

By Jacki Leroux, Ottawa Sun, December 22, 1995

	Forget politically correct Christmas and generic season's greeting
- some local schools have the spirit of multiculturalism all figured out.

	Yesterday the ethnically diverse, inner-city Viscout Alexander
School, students were served a lunch that had all the trimmings of a
traditional Canadian turkey dinner - a first for many of them, said
principal Rod Ferguson.

	"Our students speak a total of 27 different languages and 70% of
them were not born in Canada," he said.  "This was a chance for them to
experience a typical Canadian dinner."

	The 225 elementary school students dined on turkey, dressing,
potatoes, gravy, corn, cranberry sauce, milk and cookies.

	Some had no idea what turkey was, and were assured when told it is
an edible bird like chicken, Ferguson said.

	Ferguson said that each May the school also hosts an event where
students and their parents taste food from each other's homelands during a
multicultural dinner.

	A similar tradition has started at Carson Grove Elementary School
in Gloucester, which stages a month-long look at various winter traditions
each December.

	The celebrations peaked this week with the school's sicth annual
"Feast of the New Year", which saw 400 students and about 100 staff and
parents honoring each other's cultures.

	"To give everyone honor you have to re-align your thinking and
approach (Christmas) in a different way," said principal Torry Hansson.

	In the weeks leading up to the feast, teachers taught their
students - who represent 51 countries and four major faiths - about events
going on in other parts of the world.

	Earlier this week, for example, the pupils baked latkes and sang
Jewish songs as they helped celebrate Hannukah.  Then they had a
traditional Canadian Christmas.

**********

How can they push this "we're all the same" shit, when they show us all how 
different everyone is?

Les




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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: A lot of survivors (was: Genetics Aryan Vs. Jew)
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Dawn Moline (dawnlyn@sundial.net) writes:
> In WW2 Hitler experimented on Aryans as well as Jews.  In the well 
> known death camps the jews survived Physical and emotional truama 
> uneqaled by any other human experience.  The amazing aspect of this 
> was the great number of survivors.

Yes, the number of jews who claim to be survivors of "Natsee death camps"
IS incredible.

> Hitler had failed to prove phyical superiority of his Aryans.  His eugenics
> experiments on Aryans were even more interesting.  He cross bred the best
> examples of Aryans that he could Find, assuming that the offspring would be 
> Supermen.  Instead they were ALL of sub-normal inteligence.  



Let's see some documentation.



> Whereas Jews average at the gifted to genius level on the standard 
> IQ scale.  He acctually proved the genetic superiority of Jews!!!

Les




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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:

(snip - Frank and Crazy having an exchange, Crazy denying reality by
coming out with the smarmy "scumbags come in all colours" bit, to which I
point out the following:)

> * Gee, Klanwatch, for one.  In their December 1993 report, they released
> * information that FORTY-SIX PERCENT of racially motivated murders were
> * perpetrated by our dusky brethren, while they make up only 14% of the
> * population.
> 
> OMIGOD OMIGOD OMIGOD!!!! Les gave an actual source for his information.
> Isn't this one of the signs of the Apocalypse? Look out your windows,
> folks -- are donkeys flying by?

Address the fact, and stop getting all cutesy:  NEGROES COMMIT VIOLENT
CRIME FAR OUT OF PROPORTION TO THEIR REPRESENTATION IN THE POPULATION. 
You'd admit it, too, except for your tendency to lie like a rug.

(snip)

> I am content in knowing that I am not omniscient. Are you happy knowing
> that everyone thinks you're a big stinky liar, who runs everytime you get
> caught? Huh?

Who's "everyone", Crazy?  All you libs?  Wake up and smell the coffee. 
The number of racists is growing every day.  A large contributor to that
fact is the behaviour of non-Whites.  Another is the fact that Whites are
growing increasingly sick of the slurs and outright lies that you P.C.
types hurl at them.  So keep it up.  You're digging your own graves.

Les



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Subject: Crazy:  off the deep end (was: Silver Spring Farm...)
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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:

> * (Silver Springs Farm, BTW, is a hostel for retards who are so bad that they
> * can't live on their own).
> 
> What would happen to the residents of Silver Springs Farm under the
> leadership of Dr. Pierce, Les?

They'd be segregated, and kept from breeding.  Happy?

> Your choice of terminology reveals your attitude toward people who don't live
> up to your intellectual standards.

No, my choice of terminology reveals that I'm willing to face reality,
something for which you liberals aren't exactly known.

> ... By your description, these people cannot live independently, nor can they
> earn a livable wage.

Not by my description, Crazy.  By reality.  I've actually SEEN the
residents of SSF, out on "excursions".  It's not MY fault that they're
severely retarded, and the reality of their existance doesn't deny the
reality of having to deal with them, but they are NOT going to be the tail
that wags the dog.

> What will happen to these people in your society?

I already told you:  they'd be segregated and kept from breeding.

> Will they share the same fate
> as ". . . the cowards[,] . . .  blabbermouths[,] . . . [i]nformers, fools,
> weakings and irresponsible jerks . . . " mentioned on page 6 of _The
> Turner Diaries_?*****

(The fate of these poeple, BTW, is expulsion from the Organization.   Really, 
Crazy, you oughtta stop these flights of shrieking hysteria)

> *****Disclaimer: In order to avoid violating copyright laws and causing
> William Pierce's panties to get in a bunch, I must say that I just started
> reading the book and so far, I think that it's a load of crap. This was my
> first review of the book. Stay tuned.

But why take Crazy Jeannie's word for it?  

National Vanguard Books
P.O. Box 330
Hillsboro, WV
24946  U.S.A.

Les



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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Gettin' married, a la Crazy Jeannie! (was: The Week In Review...)
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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) drools:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:

(snip)

C.J.:
> * > Just wait until your kids are in their teens and you try and lay down the
> * > law about morality to them. Boy, are you going to get an earful!
> * 
> * I don't think so.  There won't be any "laying down of the law" necessary,
> * because our kids are not going to be a bunch of misbehaved whiggers who
> * need it.  They're going to be well-behaved White children, like they are
> * already.
> 
> You mean they won't be riding around with the racial theorist and mooning
> people on streetcorners? Les, you tell us how well behaved your kids are
> in about fifteen years. Until then, I really don't think that you have a
> clue about what might happen.

And neither do you have a clue, Crazy, so stop the clairvoyance.
 
(snip)

> * Oh, yes, Crazy, and you nail me just so good.  In your dreams, maybe, but
> * this ain't your fantasy world.  You may be able to tell Rob all about it,
> * but please spare us the gory details.
> 
> I didn't say that I nailed you in any sense, and the very suggestion that
> I might be "dreaming" about a twenty-four year old hatemonger really makes
> me queasy. 

You certainly DID say that I get "nailed" all the time, and if I recall
correctly, YOU claimed to do much of the "nailing".  But you rather
conveniently clipped that part, hoping that I wouldn't archive it, didn't
you?

(snip)

> * Honestly, Crazy, the only time you use your editor is to cut out any
> * uncomfortable accusations about the criminality of negroes.
> 
> As for using my editor, I try to leave enough text for people to have some
> sort of continuity between messages.

Oh, like hell!  Your "consideration" shows a surprising drop when it comes
to others providing proof about negroes and criminality.  I wonder why
that is?

> Sometimes the articles show up out of order or may not appear at all on some
> servers, and I try to be considerate for people who may be new readers.

Oh, BS, Jeannie.  Blame the system for your boorishness?  Hey, other
people cope with the system, why don't you?

(at this point, Crazy's gonna trot out my angst at the FreeNet last
August, trying to prove something)

> Hey, I'm not pasting in the ASCII Bell Curve or a 200 line ASCII Hitler,

Neither am I, Crazy, neither am I.

(snip)

Les


From finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca Fri Dec 22 18:01:31 PST 1995
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Les, maybe all those Chanukah latkes explain the higher IQ 
scores of Jews reported in some recent studies of race and 
intelligence.

Just joking.  I guess the point is that *cultural traditions* 
(which is what tastes in food arise from) vary tremendously, 
but are not fundamentally biological in origin.  For example,a 
traditional Scots dish is haggis but this is not a favoured 
dish among the English.  Different tastes in food have nothing 
to do with biological differences.  All "whites" don't prefer 
the same foods, but I guess you think they would have to be 
equal?   




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Les, maybe all those Chanukah latkes explain the higher IQ 
scores of Jews reported in some recent studies of race and 
intelligence.

Just joking.  I guess the point is that *cultural traditions* 
(which is what tastes in food arise from) vary tremendously, 
but are not fundamentally biological in origin.  For example,a 
traditional Scots dish is haggis but this is not a favoured 
dish among the English.  Different tastes in food have nothing 
to do with biological differences.  All "whites" don't prefer 
the same foods, but I guess you think they would have to be 
equal?   




From finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca Fri Dec 22 19:11:08 PST 1995
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Les, maybe all those Chanukah latkes explain the higher IQ 
scores of Jews reported in some recent studies of race and 
intelligence.

Just joking.  I guess the point is that *cultural traditions* 
(which is what tastes in food arise from) vary tremendously, 
but are not fundamentally biological in origin.  For example,a 
traditional Scots dish is haggis but this is not a favoured 
dish among the English.  Different tastes in food have nothing 
to do with biological differences.  All "whites" don't prefer 
the same foods, but I guess you think they would have to be 
equal?   




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Dec 23 12:10:15 PST 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Serial killers... (was: C-FAR and its links to White Supremacy)
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Android Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>   :Actually, Shabbas Goy, the question is MINE, and it is, since you're so
>   :ignorant, WHEN have I ever used the "but we don't want to hyrt anyone"
>   :protestation?
> 
> Four days ago.
> 
> 
> 
>   :Article: 8268 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
>   :From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
>   :Subject: Garza is thick as a post (was: Sylvie is civilized?)
>   :Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 11:22:10 GMT
> 
>   :You liberals are really funny, asking us a question, and then answering 
>   :it with your own little prejudices that the media have taught you.  
>   :"White separatists are really out to kill all non-Whites!  Don't bother
>   :listening to their answers!  We know already!"
>   : 
>   :> What is the difference between you and a Muslim fanatic who would kill
>   :> anyone who doesn't think like him?
>   :
>   :The differences are:
>   :
>   :1)  Sylvie's not a Muslim.
> 
>   :2)  She has NEVER said that non-Whites and liberals should be killed. 
>   :That's what YOU twinkies say we say.  What I believe (and so does Sylvie)
>   :is that non-Whites and liberals have to be REMOVED from our midst, or the
>   :White race will die.
> 
> (snip)
> 
>   :Anyway, when has Sylvie EVER said that she hates jews, blacks, hispanics
>   :and the like?  I want an EXACT QUOTE; nothing else will do the job.
> 
> 
> 
> Four days ago, you aprotested on your own behalf and that of your
> common-law wife that neither of you wanted blacks killed. Almost in the
> same breath, you and Sylvie posted to the effect that if a serial killer
> targets mixed-race couples, that doesn't really count.

I did not.  It quite clearly asks Garza WHEN, EXACTLY, Sylvie said that
she *hates* jews, blacks, hispanics and the like.  Further, I asked WHEN,
EXACTLY, she had advocated their murder.  When, for that matter, have I? 
I simply said that I wouldn't get my shorts in a knot over Joseph P.
Franklin, who murdered mixed-race couples.  From that, you have gone
running like a mental defective, jumping to all sorts of assumptions (gee,
why does that NOT surprise me?)

> Out of one side of your mouth, you shriek and howl when accused of
> condoning murder of non-whites. Out of the other, you are condoning murder
> of mixed-race couples. You should really introduce the left hand to the
> right hand, and bring each up to speed on what the other is doing.

Andy-panda, who archived my message and sent it to you?  That's the only
thing that I can think of to explain the delay between your tepid,
half-hearted "Les uses the we-don't-want-to-hurt-non-Whites excuse", and
your sudden bursting forth, four days later, as a Grand Inquisitor.

Les



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Dec 23 12:10:16 PST 1995
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Arthur LeBouthillier (pendragn@cyberg8t.com) writes:
>> Where has anyone but Leslie tried to define someone's race based on
>> non-racial characteristics? Please quote the text.
> 
> Look at my home page:
> 
>                   http://www.geopages.com/CapitolHill/1889
> 
> Second. YOU use the term race and haven't defined it in any meaningful
> way. Websters New World Dictionary defines race, in one manner, as being
> synonymous with ethnic group. There is this little problem that people
> like you have with words and meanings and it is called "equivocation."
> Equivocation means confusing two different cognates which have the same
> lexeme. You really need to do some studying on thought before you engage
> in a debate about it.
> 
> Race is one of those words which the so-called anti-racists pretend
> doesn't exist yet which peppers their discussion with pseudo-
> meaning as if they even knew what they were talking about.
> 
>> We had a grand time with Colin McKinstry and his claim that it should
>> be possible to devise a genetic test to determine who was white and
>> who was not.  Unfortunately, poor Colin failed to see the circularity
>> involved - one must first define what is white and what is not in
>> order to draw the genetic samples for analysis in order to devise the
>> test.
> 
> Wrong. Your argument shows your twisted, retarded logic because using
> that basis, nothing could be defined. A car could not be defined
> because one would first have to know what a car was before one could
> identify its characteristics. Does essence precede substance or
> substance precede essence? Go mind fuck yourself.
> 
> Stop pretending that you even care if we had a definition. The
> definition isn't the issue: the real issue is that you don't like
> what we stand for and the epistemological mind-fucking is merely
> your game to screw Whites over.
> 
>> Really, Leslie is the one not capable of argument.  A lot of people
>> have been eager to argue a number of points with him, but Leslie is
>> strangely shy on the subject of providing evidence for his assertions. 
>> How do you argue with someone whose position so often boils down to,
>> "I'm right because I say so?"
> 
> Stop pretending that you're properly engaged in some abstract debating
> game to which you are the only rule-follower. You assholes don't have
> any basis for any of the garbage that you put forth. We're under no
> obligation to even pretend we're engaged in a civil dialogue with you.
> You goombahs engage in just as much name-calling and logical misfits as
> anyone else. "I'm right because I say so" seems to be fine for you,
> it's fine for us. Incivility is more the characteristic of your side
> than ours.
> 
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>                             Arthur LeBouthillier
>                             pendragn@cyberg8t.com
>                   http://www.geopages.com/CapitolHill/1889
>                  We must secure the existence of our people
>                       and a future for White children.
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------

Well said, Arthur, especially that last part!

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Dec 23 12:10:17 PST 1995
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Subject: Re: It wasn't six million, Mr. Griswold
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Frank Weltner (potato@mo.net) writes:
> I buy the idea that Hitler killed millions of Jews, homosexuals, mentally
> retarded persons, mentally ill persons, and others. The man was a
> charismatic jerk. He led the Germans to ruin. Why would you want to
> resurrect this idiot?
> 
> I have been to Dachau to visit the memorial. It is there. The ovens are
> there. The foundations of the buildings are there.

Y'all better visit the Nizqueer Project, Frank.  There were NO extermination 
camps in Germany proper, and particularly at Dachau, where GERMAN soldiers
were murdered by the occupying American troops AFTER surrendering.

> There are records of large movements of Jews to major concentration camps.
> They were enslaved and starved and gassed. Period.

CONCENTRATION camps.
 
> Why not admit it and renounce this asshole? Hitler sucked. That's not what
> any rational people would want.
> 
> If he had deported the Jews instead of killing them, it would have been
> different. But he didn't.
> 
> On the other hand, if he had deported them, they would have come back
> after the war was over just as the owners of buildings in East Germany now
> have them back. Hitler, I suppose, knew this, which is why he began his
> evil purpose after 1942 when he realized the war was lost. He was wrong,
> nonetheless. This was a great evil, as was the war itself. Screw Hitler.

But, Frank, the Holocaust supposedly began in 1933, now.

The jews keep pushing back the date to obscure the fact that THEY were
belligerents, and particularly hissy, mean ones at that.

Jewish attitude on fighting:  kick 'em when they're down, but suck up when
they're winning.

Les


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Dec 23 12:30:12 PST 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: White supremacy...
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Why do liberals always utter the words "White Supremacist" or "White Supremacy" 
with a nearly-audible sneer?  Like there's something to be ASHAMED of for being 
White, and being supreme?  Hey, we're not pushing something demonstrably false 
- we're just stating a fact:  Whites are better than non-Whites.  Period.

Les



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Dec 23 12:30:13 PST 1995
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Subject: Re: Homosexuality spits in the face of natural law.
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David Whitt (davwhitt@med.unc.edu) writes:
> In article ,
> Les Griswold  wrote:
>>> Sometimes it is not so much the word itself but the context in which you
>>> use it.  As for homosexuality burning itself out quickly, do you know
>>> nothing about ancient Greece?  Homosexuality has been around since the
>>> dawn of man.
>>
>>Obviously, YOU'RE the one who doesn't know very much about ancient Greece.
>> It's up to YOU to prove that the ancient Greeks practiced homosexuality
>>in even remotely the same form that it's practiced today.
> 
> Have you ever heard of Alexander the Great or Hadrian (a Roman emperor)? 

Yes, I have.  Now, I suppose you're going to tell me that every homosexual
around today is an Alexander the Great, or a Hadrian, and that both of
those guys were bum-blasters?

> Have you ever read the stories of Apollo and Hyacinthus or Zeus and
> Ganymede?  What do you mean by "the same form that it's practices today?".
>  Homosexuality is when someone is sexually attracted to a member of the
> same sex.  How has it changed?

Yes, the MEANING of homosexuality is sexual attraction to the same sex. 
However, it's very hard to imagine Apollo or Zeus whining for "equal
rights" the way that homos today do.  Besides, it's up to YOU to provide
evidence that Zeus and Apollo, and ancient Greeks in general, were
analogous to homosexuals today.

(snip)

>>"You" may be everywhere, but I have yet to see many teachers, doctors, or
>>lawyers define themselves by their sexuality.
> 
> That is because we don't go around wearing banners that say "I'm Gay!". 

You should take a clue from these professional, successful homos.

> There are signs that clue us (gays) into each other, but most straights
> are completely oblivious to these.  Further hampering your vision is your
> phobic myopia.

Maybe we JUST DON'T CARE, until some militant homophile decides to shove
his/her/its perversion in our faces, and asserts that it's normal?

(snip)

>>> Because gays are more tolerant of others, unlike many straights.  We do
>>> not shun somone just because they are different.  They may not be like us,
>>> but they are still "family".
>>
>>Remember, you said it, not I.
>>
>>It's amazing, really.  In one breath, you say that homos are normal, and
>>then you say shit like "we're more tolerant of others, unlike many straights", 
>>and justify having the weirdos around.
> 
> The term "weirdo" is very vague.  That term basically covers anyone who is
> not like yourself.

Fits the cross-dressers, NAMBLA-types, etc... to a tee.

> Being human means we are all different.  Some people
> haven't learned to accept this fact and get on with life.  I never said
> there were no gay "weirdos", I said that those you pointed out (leather
> and drag queens) were in the minority.  Gays are no more normal that
> anyone else.  There is no such thing as a "normal" person.  Gays realize
> this and embrace rather than shun our diversity.

Les



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Dec 23 12:30:14 PST 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: The gift of humour...
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There were these four guys walking down the street, a White guy, a jew, a
negro, and a spic.  They come upon this lamp, and rub it.  Out comes a
genie.  He looks at the group, and says, "Since there are four of you, you
each get one wish."  So he turns to the negro and says "What's your wish?"
The negro says, "I wish all my bruthas and sistahs was back in the
homeland, Africa!"  So *POOF*, he disappears, back to Africa along with
all the other negroes.  The genie then turns to the jew:  "What is your
wish?"  The jew says "I wish we Jews were all back in Greater Israel. 
We've got our own country now, let's all go there!"  So *POOF*, the jew
disappears, back in Israel with all the other jews.  Then the genie turns
to the spic.  "What is your wish?"  The spic says, "I wish we were all
back in Mexico, man!"  So *POOF*, the spic disappears, back in Mexico
along with all the other spics.  Finally, the genie turns to the White
guy, and says, "What's your wish?"  The White guy ponders a minute, and
says, "Let me get this straight:  all the niggers are back in Africa, the
jews are in Israel, and the spics are in Mexico?"  "Yes", replies the
genie.  "Well, fuck then, I'll just have a Coke!"

BWAHAHAHA!!!

Remember, for this holiday season, give the gift of laughter.  The libs
sure do, everyday!!!

Les



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Les, maybe all those Chanukah latkes explain the higher IQ 
scores of Jews reported in some recent studies of race and 
intelligence.

Just joking.  I guess the point is that *cultural traditions* 
(which is what tastes in food arise from) vary tremendously, 
but are not fundamentally biological in origin.  For example,a 
traditional Scots dish is haggis but this is not a favoured 
dish among the English.  Different tastes in food have nothing 
to do with biological differences.  All "whites" don't prefer 
the same foods, but I guess you think they would have to be 
equal?   




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Dec 23 13:30:18 PST 1995
Article: 12145 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Black boycotts...
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Android Walton (atticus@mindspring.com), mistakenly assumning yet again that he 
has something of significance to contribute, writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>   :It's funny, really.  Liberal wing-nuts keep going on about "negro
>   :boycotts", as if they're intended to accomplish anything.  Lemme tell ya
>   :something, liberals:  the negroes need us far more than we need them.  And
>   :my second point is:
>   :
>   :How would your precious negroes fare under a WHITE boycott?  If Whites
>   :REFUSED to have ANY transactions with negroes whatsoever?  How long do you
>   :think your backward, evolutionary dead-ends would fare?
>   :
>   :Y'know, you liberals really oughtta stop bandying about the idea of a
>   :negro boycott... what if whites decided that turnabout is fair-play, and
>   :put your negro boycott idea into action, only in reverse?
> 
> Go for it, Les.
> 
> Boycott every business that isn't lily-white. Y'all love to threaten to
> motivate whites into some sort of mass action. You talk a mean game. Put
> up or shut up. Call a press conference, announce your boycott, and let's
> see how far you get. The Racial Theorist is promising victory at the U.S.
> ballot boxes next year--let's see what you can do with the economy.

Thanks for the advice, Andy-panda, but we'll do this in our own way, in
our own time.

Geez, from the way "liberals" like Andy keep agitating for trouble, I
wonder just how much they really DO love non-Whites.
 
> Come on, Les. Time for your "great silent majority" to speak up. Let's see
> what you've got.

When the White race DOES speak up, you won't like what you hear.
 
Les



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Dec 23 13:30:19 PST 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Crazy Jeannie's space is all in her head (was: Gettin' married...)
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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:


(snip)

(Crazy alleged that I get nailed so often, and took the credit for doing
so much of it herself)
 
> * > * Oh, yes, Crazy, and you nail me just so good.  In your dreams, maybe, but
> * > * this ain't your fantasy world.  You may be able to tell Rob all about it,
> * > * but please spare us the gory details.
> * > 
> * > I didn't say that I nailed you in any sense, and the very suggestion that
> * > I might be "dreaming" about a twenty-four year old hatemonger really makes
> * > me queasy. 
> * 
> * You certainly DID say that I get "nailed" all the time, and if I recall
> * correctly, YOU claimed to do much of the "nailing".  But you rather
> * conveniently clipped that part, hoping that I wouldn't archive it, didn't
> * you?
> 
> AWK! Les is gonna archive messages! AWK! Les is gonna learn to telnet!
> Aren't these signs of the Apocalypse, too? Make up your mind, putz -- do
> you want me to do more editing on my responses or not?
>
> Les, you should know that "nailing" you is a tagteam sport around here.
> For the record, here's exactly what I wrote:
> 
>      Well, no. You fling out a stereotype about Jews, i.e., whining,
>      and then you exhibit the same behaviors yourself. You really
>      shouldn't do stuff like that, because you get nailed every time.
> 
> Your memory is faulty, bucko. Don't you know that it's not a good idea to
> argue with a woman who has a knack for remembering details and enough disk
> space to store everything in order to say, "I told you so!"?

Yes, Crazy, I figure that's about all you have to feel triumphant.  What a
sad testimony to the fact that you're all alone...

(snip)
 
> I cope with the system just fine, Les. I have three different ISP servers
> from which to retrieve current articles, and I keep my own archives. I
> also know how to access the Nizkor Project to find articles.

Well, now THERE'S a worthy reason for being on the 'Net!

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Dec 23 13:30:20 PST 1995
Article: 12152 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: The gift of humour...
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There were these four guys walking down the street, a White guy, a jew, a
negro, and a spic.  They come upon this lamp, and rub it.  Out comes a
genie.  He looks at the group, and says, "Since there are four of you, you
each get one wish."  So he turns to the negro and says "What's your wish?"
The negro says, "I wish all my bruthas and sistahs was back in the
homeland, Africa!"  So *POOF*, he disappears, back to Africa along with
all the other negroes.  The genie then turns to the jew:  "What is your
wish?"  The jew says "I wish we Jews were all back in Greater Israel. 
We've got our own country now, let's all go there!"  So *POOF*, the jew
disappears, back in Israel with all the other jews.  Then the genie turns
to the spic.  "What is your wish?"  The spic says, "I wish we were all
back in Mexico, man!"  So *POOF*, the spic disappears, back in Mexico
along with all the other spics.  Finally, the genie turns to the White
guy, and says, "What's your wish?"  The White guy ponders a minute, and
says, "Let me get this straight:  all the niggers are back in Africa, the
jews are in Israel, and the spics are in Mexico?"  "Yes", replies the
genie.  "Well, fuck then, I'll just have a Coke!"

BWAHAHAHA!!!

Remember, for this holiday season, give the gift of laughter.  The libs
sure do, everyday!!!

Les



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Dec 26 21:46:57 PST 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Yeah, like you'd tell us (was: It wasn't six million, Mr. Griswold)
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Sara aka Perrrfect (schwartz@infinet.com) writes:
> In article <30DD44B2.2D48@aimnet.com>, George Graves 
> wrote:
> 
>> ====================================================================
>> Dope! I said in my initial post that I "Suspected" (meaning, for all of you
>> libs too stupid to understand anything but direct, simple English, that it 
>> was my opinion) that only a million to a million and a half were killed
>> by DIRECT Nazi action. And why, might I ask, would such an opinion 
>> qualify me as stupid. What do you base your figures on? What the Jew has
>> told you? Does that give their figures any more credibility than mine? It
>> just shows how gullible you liberals are, and how easily you are 
>> brainwashed. You believe anything the Jew tells you.
>> ==================================================================== 
> 
> Mr. Graves:
>  
> Please explain this to me. I've been a Jew all my life. So have my
> parents, and grandparents. (Sorry, can't go back farther than that, since
> the rest of the family was annihiliated in Poland.)
>  
> Who is "the Jew"? I know of no *particular* Jew who speaks for all of us.
> Jews have a startling range of opinions -- on almost every subject
> imaginable.

Sure, Sara.  Except on the ones that matter.
  
> Pick up a copy of Tikkun. You'll read articles by Zionists, anti-Zionists,
> and every spot on the spectrum.

And...?  Tell me, which jews like Hitler?
  
> So who is this "Jew" who gives out information that brainwashes the
> non-Jews? Can you identify him/her by name? 
>  
> By the way, no Jew *I* know is interested in World Domination. You folks
> got yourselves in the mess you're in all by yourselves. Why should WE want
> to have to clean it up?

Jews don't want to clean anything up.  They like the mess we're in just
fine.  It allows them to harness us, as they promise relief from the
stress of day-to-day living.

Les



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Dec 26 21:46:59 PST 1995
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Subject: Movin' jews! (was: It sure as hell WASN'T!)
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Frank Weltner (potato@mo.net) writes:

(snip)

> I lived in Germany in the 1960's. The last thing I saw there was a sign on
> a toilet wall that said, "Tot allem Juden!" or "Kill all the Jews!" 

So the manhood hasn't been beaten out of all Germans after all.
 
> I hate to say this, but they are right. Hitler killed them. Millions of
> them.

1)  WHO'S right?

2)  Who CARES if Hitler killed six million jews, or sixty million?  He
identified the problem facing post-WWI Germany, and took decisive action
to protect HIS people.

> Hitler was an A Number One Asshole. He was lower than skunk shit. I
> am a German, I would have killed Hitler if I had been there. Then, the
> Jews would still be alive. Moving them to Israel would have been okay,
> though.

How about moving them to Madagascar?

> A much better idea. Killing innocent people, though? Shame on them. Absolute 
> assholes and scum.

Y'know, reading your messages with the fact that you are probably jewish
sheds a whole new light on your irrationality.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Dec 27 11:54:48 PST 1995
Article: 9139 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: White supremacy...
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Fragano Ledgister (fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Why do liberals always utter the words "White Supremacist" or "White Supremacy" 
> : with a nearly-audible sneer?  Like there's something to be ASHAMED of for being 
> : White, and being supreme?  Hey, we're not pushing something demonstrably false 
> : - we're just stating a fact:  Whites are better than non-Whites.  Period.

> Nobody should be ashamed of being white.

True, very true.

> On the other hand, being white makes you no better, nor worse, than anyone 
> else.

Non-whites want to be white.  NO-ONE wants to be non-White.

Les



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Dec 28 19:50:02 PST 1995
Article: 21621 of soc.culture.jewish
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Subject: Re: Kleim the Kook and Messiah of the neoKooks
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Stewart King (slking@course2.harvard.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Frank Weltner (potato@mo.net) writes:
> 
> : > This quote is not there. It
> : > is a great book with the exception of the unfounded anti-Jewish rhetoric
> : > and hatred which is totally unsupported and tossed in as a given.
> 
> : Maybe Hitler wasn't trying to write a Book-of-the-Month selection, but was
> : writing to an EDUCATED audience, or at least one that wasn't cosmopolitan
> : and trendy.
> 
> Les, it's time you saw the nice doctor for another round of reality 
> shots.  Why on earth must educated people hate jews?

And why must educated people like them?  Since WHEN is education equal to
semitophilia?

> I'm plenty educated and anything but trendy and I think they rock.

Proof that education does NOT equal intelligence.

> I mean, any people who can successfully cover up a gigantic conspiracy to
> rule the world through a network of delis and convenience stores is okay by
> me.
 
Jews don't just own delis and convenience stores.  Don't be deliberately 
stupid, you're vapid enough as is.

> Also, you've not to my recollection shared with us exactly how educated 
> you are.  (Although you're not nearly as dense as some around here  
> I could name.)

My education has no bearing on the topic at hand, which is jewish
ownership of way too much in our society.
 
> : > European. If anything, Hitler is a good argument against us, so why bring
> : > the jerk's life up all the time. He was nuts.
> 
> : You're not one of "us", chum, so don't play the cutesy "responsible
> : conservative" who hates Hitler.  You're just using that as an excuse to
> : get your foot in the door... assuming that you're NOT jewish, and trying
> : to blacken the name of someone that your fellow-travellers have good
> : reason to fear.
> 
> Good reason to fear?  We've been through this with Rommell - he's dead.  
> Furthermore, Frank's ben very straightforward about why he's here - he 
> lives somewhere in St. Louis and sees his neighborhood going to hell.  
> Frankly, I have a lot more respect for that than this weird neo-Nazi 
> Jewish Conspiracy business.  I can at least understand where he's coming 
> from and why he believes what he does.  You guys, as far as I can tell, 
> are just stupid.

And maybe we're not as gabby as Frankie, or perhaps maybe we look at a
little more than our own neighbourhoods.  You're really something else,
Stewie.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Dec 28 19:50:03 PST 1995
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Marty Kelley (mkelley@U.Arizona.EDU) writes:
> On Wed, 27 Dec 1995, Les Griswold wrote:
> 
>> Frank Weltner (potato@mo.net) writes:

(snip)

>> > Hitler was a jerk. You don't have to follow jerks to be proud of being
>> > European. If anything, Hitler is a good argument against us, so why bring
>> > the jerk's life up all the time. He was nuts.
>> 
>> You're not one of "us", chum, so don't play the cutesy "responsible
>> conservative" who hates Hitler.  You're just using that as an excuse to
>> get your foot in the door... assuming that you're NOT jewish, and trying
>> to blacken the name of someone that your fellow-travellers have good
>> reason to fear.
> 
> Isn't it cute when they start feeding on each other? Nothin' like a 
> little racist fratricide...

I'm not feeding off Frankie.  He's a bigot.  I am a racist.

Les



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Article: 21624 of soc.culture.jewish
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Mark Van Alstine (mvanalst@rbi.com) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>> Frank Weltner (potato@mo.net) writes:
>> 
>> (snip)
>> 
>> > I hate to admit it, but I've read Mein Kampf.
>> 
>> Why do you hate to admit it?
>> 
>> > This quote is not there. It
>> > is a great book with the exception of the unfounded anti-Jewish rhetoric
>> > and hatred which is totally unsupported and tossed in as a given.
>> 
>> Maybe Hitler wasn't trying to write a Book-of-the-Month selection, but was
>> writing to an EDUCATED audience, or at least one that wasn't cosmopolitan
>> and trendy.
> 
> And maybe pigs fly? _Mein Kampf_ was nothing more than a compendium of
> Hitler's racists and anti-Semitic ravings. Its audience was the
> Mittelstand n Germany. Farmers and peasants and small businessen who
> feared German industrialization and urbanization and were looking for a
> scapegoat in the Jews for their fears.

Have you read _Mein Kampf_?  Do you know what's in it?  Have you spoken
with anyone in book marketing?  Do you know _anything_ about marketing,
period?

Les
 


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Gord McFee (gmcfee@ibm.net) writes:
> In message  - bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Gr
> iswold) writes:
> :>
> :>Frank Weltner (potato@mo.net) writes:
> :>
> :>> This quote is not there. It
> :>> is a great book with the exception of the unfounded anti-Jewish rhetoric
> :>> and hatred which is totally unsupported and tossed in as a given.
> :>
> :>Maybe Hitler wasn't trying to write a Book-of-the-Month selection, but was
> :>writing to an EDUCATED audience, or at least one that wasn't cosmopolitan
> :>and trendy.
> 
> The quote is indeed there (1939 edition, London, page 60), as I have posted.

That's the sort of thing you semitophiles like:  quibbling over small,
unimportant points, to divert the topic from anything important and
harmful to jews. (because it tells the truth about them).

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Dec 28 19:50:06 PST 1995
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Daniel Mittleman (dmittleman@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu) writes:
> In article , Marty Kelley  writes...
>>On Wed, 27 Dec 1995, Les Griswold wrote to Frank Weltner:
> 
>>> You're not one of "us", chum, so don't play the cutesy "responsible
>>> conservative" who hates Hitler.  You're just using that as an excuse to
>>> get your foot in the door... assuming that you're NOT jewish, and trying
>>> to blacken the name of someone that your fellow-travellers have good
>>> reason to fear.
>> 
>>Isn't it cute when they start feeding on each other? Nothin' like a 
>>little racist fratricide...
> 
>     I noticed it too.  Les is sure the coalition builder, isn't he.  He has
>     read all that Hitler propoganda but missed some basic lessons about
>     acquiring power.  

One of the basic lessons of acquiring power (and, more importantly, holding
on to it) is that one does NOT compromise principles.  Oh, and also,
racists never, NEVER, make the mistake of assuming that jewish interests
intersect with White interests IN ANY WAY.

Les



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Dec 28 21:43:50 PST 1995
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Android Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>   :I, for one.  But perhaps I should have said "which jews have an objective
>   :opinion of Hitler", instead of "like".
> 
> In your world, of course, they amount to the same thing.
> 
> You want an objective view of Hitler? Okay. Let's leave aside the whole
> question of ideology and the Holocaust. In about a dozen years of his
> leadership, Hitler led his nation from hyperinflation and despair to
> abject destruction.

Wow!  That's quite a jump, from 1933 to 1945!  And of course, he did
NOTHING else other than get involved in WWII, which he had the bad taste
to lose...

> He deliberately offended the rest of the world,

How?  By telling everyone what they pretty much already knew, ie that jews
were vermin?  It's only since WWII ended that this love-on for the jews
has been going on.  Prior to that, people weren't fooled by them.

BTW, Andy-panda, I did a project in school on discrimination oh so many
years ago, and I ran across an interesting little fact:  most of the
American troops in Germany after WWII felt that the Germans were justified
in not liking jews.

> and made defeat certain. In launching Operation Barbarossa, Hitler opened a
> two-front war, the very thing that everyone since Metternich had warned
> against.

Hitler opened a two-front war because Stalin was getting too ambitious in,
among other areas, Poland.  His Operation Barbarossa pre-empted a Soviet
invasion of Western Europe by TWO WEEKS.

> Objectively, any chief executive who manages to destroy his nation and get
> tens of millions of his citizens killed (I'm talking about war dead here)
> is not an effective leader.

So, Churchill must be a pretty poor leader, eh?  Before you get all hoity-toity 
on me, do a reality check:

1)  How many British citizens (soldiers and non-combatants) died in WWII?

2)  How big is the British Empire today, when did it start shrinking, and under
whose prime ministership?

Les



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Dec 28 21:43:51 PST 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: ANOTHER whopper for you exterminationists (was: It wasn't six million, Mr. Griswold) 
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Frank Weltner (potato@mo.net) writes:
> Hitler killed them. Period. Six million Jews. Eight million homosexuals.

EIGHT MILLION FAGGOTS!?!  You MUST be joking!

> Two million gypsies. Millions of Poles, Croats, Serbs, Slovaks,
> Byelorusians.
 
> The Nazis suck big time. Why would anyone want them back? 

Are you sure you're not a jew?
 
> In fact, much as I hate to admit it, if it came to choosing between
> niggers or Nazis, I'd have to choose niggers hands down. 
> 
> And I don't even like niggers. I like Nazis even less. They were low lifes.

Typical.  You rail against "niggers", but you seek respectability by
bashing "Natsees".  Pathetic.  If you're not a jew, you've missed your
calling.

Les



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Dec 28 21:43:52 PST 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Gord McFee (gmcfee@ibm.net) writes:
> In message  - bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Gr
> iswold) writes:
> :>
> :>Ken McVay OBC (kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca) writes:
> :>> In article <4brl2c$8os@access5.digex.net>, 
> :>> mstein@access5.digex.net (Michael P. Stein) wrote:
> :>> 
> :>> [Griswold vomits]
> :>> 
> :>>>>> 2)  Who CARES if Hitler killed six million jews, or sixty million?  He
> :>>>>> identified the problem facing post-WWI Germany, and took decisive action
> :>>>>> to protect HIS people.
> :>> 
> :>> [ncrccjc points out]
> :>> 
> :>>>>This man really wants "Racist of the Year" very, very badly.
> :>> 
> :>>>    Hmn.  I think we may have to disqualify this one, though, on the 
> :>>>grounds that above line was plagiarized.  As I recall Milt Kleim said 
> :>>>some time ago that he didn't believe Hitler killed six million Jews, but 
> :>>>he still would have admired him if he had killed sixty million.  What 
> :>>>Griswold wrote above is close enough that I'm very suspicious of it.
> :>> 
> :>> Hell, Jason Smith, a neighbor of Mr. Griswold's, said last
> :>> year: "Whether six million died or not I do not care. If they
> :>> did, that's six million less to deal with in the future." I
> :>> think Mr. Griswold, finding his mind an impossible place for
> :>> the creation of original thought, simply copied Mr. Smith.
> :>> 
> :>> Smith: "Schoedel's closing fast and gaining massive support,
> :>> Les, you'd better do something!"
> :>> 
> :>> Griswold: "Er, ah, er, I could use the n-word twice in the
> :>> same sentence..."
> :>> 
> :>> Smith: "I've got it! Use my old 'Six Million' quote! That'll
> :>> rock'em to their roots... lemme see if I can remember it...
> :>> ah..er..ah... it must be in McOyVay's archives! Look it up
> :>> there and ...."
> :>> 
> :>> Griswold: "Great! I'll crank up my rigii and....."
> :>
> :>Pathetic.  You have to plagiarize a point made by Mikey Stein.  What's the
> :>matter?  Working 16 hours a day on your rinky-dink little Nizkor project
> :>is sapping your mind?  You're so used to repeating whatever any jew says,
> :>that you can't help it?
> 
> Well said, Les.  I'm sure Jason Smith will be overjoyed to hear you call him a
> Jew, since that is who Mr. McVay  was quoting.  Ever seen how big that mother
> Smith is?  I'd look out if he's following this newsgroup, Les--even  Sylvie
> won't be able to save you.

No, arsewipe.  Kenny McOyVay was essentially repeating what Mikey Stein
said.  Mikey Stein IS a jew.

Les



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Dec 28 21:43:53 PST 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Android Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>   :I, for one.  But perhaps I should have said "which jews have an objective
>   :opinion of Hitler", instead of "like".
> 
> In your world, of course, they amount to the same thing.

And in YOUR world, DISliking Hitler is the same thing as being objective,
right?

> You want an objective view of Hitler? Okay. Let's leave aside the whole
> question of ideology and the Holocaust. In about a dozen years of his
> leadership, Hitler led his nation from hyperinflation and despair to
> abject destruction. He deliberately offended the rest of the world, and
> made defeat certain. In launching Operation Barbarossa, Hitler opened a
> two-front war, the very thing that everyone since Metternich had warned
> against.

I rest my case.

> Objectively, any chief executive who manages to destroy his nation and get
> tens of millions of his citizens killed (I'm talking about war dead here)
> is not an effective leader.

Then, as I said before, objectively, Sir Winnie Churchill must have been a
pretty piss-poor leader, eh?

>   :BTW, the implication that liking
>   :Hitler = insanity is pretty darn close to name-calling.
> 
> For those of your following the ad hominem pendulum, apparently Les is
> back to disliking name-calling again. Watch this space for future
> developments.

No, I just think that there's a time and a place for everything.  As I
explained to another dumb-ass liberal (Rob K, I think), I understand the
concept of "appropriate/not appropriate".  

Les



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Dec 28 21:43:54 PST 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: To the pedantic jew Harry Katz (was: Movin' jews!)
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Harry "Cool" Katz (hkatz@earth.usa.net) writes:

(snip - essentially, a ping-pong game about the sort of person to be
found in the German concentration camps before and during WWII.)

> Finally, in article <30E19067.7349@aimnet.com>,
> George Graves (gmgraves@aimnet.com) whines:
> 
> 	I am NOT a lover of nor a supporter of Hitler. Just because Both
> 	Hitler and I share a couple of views doesn't erase my loathing
> 	of what he did.
> 
> I am glad that Mr. Graves loathes Hitler, although I must point out
> that I did not accuse him of loving Hitler in the first place!

'Scuse me, Learned Elder, but WHEN did "I am NOT a lover nor a supporter
of Hitler" become "I loathe Hitler"?

Les



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Dec 28 21:43:55 PST 1995
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Harry "Cool" Katz (hkatz@earth.usa.net) writes:
> In article ,
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) whined:
> 
> 	Who CARES if Hitler killed six million jews, or sixty million?
> 
> I pointed out the obvious:
> 
> 	Mr. Griswold himself, for starters!  If he did not care, why
> 	does he spend so much time denying it?
> 
> In article ,
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) whines again:
> 
> 	Yes, I just spend SO MUCH time engrossed in the hollow-cause,
> 	don't I?
> 
> Exactly how much time does Mr. Griswold have to spend denying, or
> celebrating, the Holocaust before it can be said that he "cares!"
> Not to mention that if he really does not care, why did he even
> bother responding to my post?
> 
> Mr. Griswold's original post continued:
> 
> 	He identified the problem facing post-WWI Germany,
> 	and took decisive action to protect HIS people.
> 
> To which I replied:
> 
> 	And when the dust finally settled millions of Germans, not to
> 	mention other Europeans, were buried.  With "protection" like
> 	this, the German people did not need any enemies, internal
> 	nor external.
> 
> Which elicited this insult from Mr. Griswold:
> 
> 	Hey, CLOC, I think we need a new category special for
> 	Harry Katz:  jew without a clue.
> 
> Evidently Mr. Griswold cannot deny my analysis, so he opts instead
> for a gratuitous insult, hoping no one will notice his total
> intellectual bankruptcy.

Nope.  You're just really tiresome and stupid, and you really DON'T have a
clue.

> Or perhaps he hopes that by baiting me he can goad me into trading
> insults, thereby distracting everyone from the issues and his own
> failure to address them.

Holy geez, look who's talking about distracting and evasion!

Les



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Dec 29 02:41:12 PST 1995
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Subject: Re: Apartheid and Supremacy or else?
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Norman Nithman (nrn@tezcat.com) writes:
> In article <4bv0mi$g4o@anarchy.io.com>, carlosq  wrote:
>>orion38 (Orion38@cris.com) wrote:
>>> On Thu, 28 Dec 1995, Fragano Ledgister wrote:
>>> 
>>> > : As Crime Soars, White South Africans Leave 
>>> 
>>
>>**In places other than Africa, with comparable poverty and urbanization,
>>civil order is holding.  In Africa, society itself is collapsing, to say
>>nothing of governments. 
>>
>>**Is there a problem here?  (Oh, yes, and it's all White people's fault...)
> 
> Been to Moscow lately?

Probably, he hasn't.  But, the entire infrastructure is NOT collapsing in
Moscow ANYTHING like it's doing in EVERY BLACK COUNTRY.  Get a grip.

Les




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Subject: Re: To the pedantic jew Harry Katz (was: Movin' jews!)
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Stewart King (slking@course2.harvard.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Harry "Cool" Katz (hkatz@earth.usa.net) writes:
> : > Finally, in article <30E19067.7349@aimnet.com>,
> : > George Graves (gmgraves@aimnet.com) whines:
> : > 
> : > 	I am NOT a lover of nor a supporter of Hitler. Just because Both
> : > 	Hitler and I share a couple of views doesn't erase my loathing
> : > 	of what he did.
> : > 
> : > I am glad that Mr. Graves loathes Hitler, although I must point out
> : > that I did not accuse him of loving Hitler in the first place!
> 
> : 'Scuse me, Learned Elder, but WHEN did "I am NOT a lover nor a supporter
> : of Hitler" become "I loathe Hitler"?
> 
> Towards the end of the paragraph?  Look carefully.

"... loathing of what he did" does NOT translate into "I loathe Hitler".
 
> Loathing of what he did, anyway.  A small distinction, considering that 
> hopefully George was referring to Hitler's acts rather than Hitler the man 
> throughout his comments.

Nope, pretty big distinction, to anyone without an agenda.  But jews and
semitophiles consider ANY less-than-frothing hatred for Hitler to be
synonymous with loving him.

Les



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Dec 29 11:05:39 PST 1995
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Daniel Mittleman (dmittleman@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes...
>>Harry "Cool" Katz (hkatz@earth.usa.net) writes:
>>> George Graves (gmgraves@aimnet.com) whines:
>>> 
>>> 	I am NOT a lover of nor a supporter of Hitler. Just because Both
>>> 	Hitler and I share a couple of views DOESN'T ERASE MY LOATHING
>>> 	of what he did.                      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~   
>>> 
>>> I am glad that Mr. Graves loathes Hitler, although I must point out
>>> that I did not accuse him of loving Hitler in the first place!
>> 
>>'Scuse me, Learned Elder, but WHEN did "I am NOT a lover nor a supporter
>>of Hitler" become "I loathe Hitler"?
> 
>     They put you in the "slow" reading group in third grade, didn't they
>     Les?

Could you maybe explain to me how "... my loathing of what he did" became
"I loathe Hitler!"?  I mean, it's no surprise that a JEW would jump to
such a conclusion, but Harry Katz doesn't seem to want to explain his
peculiarly jewish logic, and I thought that maybe you might want to have a
go.  But, if the above is a good indicator of what you are capable of...

Les



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Dec 29 11:05:40 PST 1995
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Android Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>   :Android Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> 
>   :And in YOUR world, DISliking Hitler is the same thing as being objective,
>   :right?
> 
> In my view, an objective assessment of Hitler's leadership finds him
> wanting. No, there are any number of subjective reasons to dislike Hitler.
> 
> I would nove to hear your definition of "objective." By all appearances,
> you have no objective standards. You treat the most ludicrous, unfounded
> assertions (Does "Hiddenbrook Historical Society" ring a bell?) as gospel
> because they reflect your prejudices, and reject far more meticulously
> researched and reviewed studies as "propaganda" because you disagree with
> their outcome.

When these "meticulously researched and reviewed studies" come to
obviously fallaciious, erroneous conclusions, it makes little difference
(to me OR to anyone with the common sense God gave a mosquito) HOW
carefully researched and/or meticulous they are.  Baloney is baloney 
any way you slice it.
 
>   :> You want an objective view of Hitler? Okay. Let's leave aside the whole
>   :> question of ideology and the Holocaust. In about a dozen years of his
>   :> leadership, Hitler led his nation from hyperinflation and despair to
>   :> abject destruction. He deliberately offended the rest of the world, and
>   :> made defeat certain. In launching Operation Barbarossa, Hitler opened a
>   :> two-front war, the very thing that everyone since Metternich had warned
>   :> against.
>   :
>   :I rest my case.
> 
> Without disputing a single point.
> 
> Fact: at the beginning of Hitler's reign, Germany's economy was a shambles.
> Fact: at the end of Hitler's reign, Germany was no longer a sovereign nation,
>       but rather was divided among four occupying armies.
> Conclusion: Germany was worse off after Hitler than before. Not the mark of an 
>       effective leader.

Fact:  during Hitler's reign, in the program to make Germany COMPLETELY
self-sufficient, Germany was brought out of the world depression that
Roosevelt was seemingly powerless to do anything about.
Fact:  Hitler's reign was ended only because the U.S. was conned into the
war by, among others, Roosevelt.  Prior to 1942, Britain had been kicked
off the European continent, and there was SFA they could do about it.

>  > Care to dispute any of those?
> 
> 
> Fact: Hitler launched Operation Barbarossa against the U.S.S.R., voilating 
>       his nonagression pact with that nation.
> Fact: This action took troops and materiel from the Western front.

The Western Front, at the time of Barbarossa, required very few troops. 
This was BEFORE the U.S. was involved in the war, and Hitler quite
correctly concluded that Britain could be counted out.

> Fact: Opening a second front in the middle of Europe contributed directly
> to the failures of Napoleon and Wilhelm.
> Conclusion: Hitler chose poorly, in the face of the historical evidence, and his
>       nation suffered by it. Not the mark of an effective leader.
> 
>   :> Objectively, any chief executive who manages to destroy his nation and get
>   :> tens of millions of his citizens killed (I'm talking about war dead here)
>   :> is not an effective leader.
>   :
>   :Then, as I said before, objectively, Sir Winnie Churchill must have been a
>   :pretty piss-poor leader, eh?
> 
> Churchill won. Hitler lost. Britain survived. Germany was devastated, and
> split amongst four (later two, later one) occupying forces. Is your grasp
> of history really this poor? You must be pulling my leg.
> 
> Churchill did not initiate hostilities. Nor was he in power during the
> prelude to war. I will agree that Neville Chamberlain was a piss-poor
> leader.

And in the name of consistency, you should agree that Sir Winnie himself
was a piss-poor leader.  Whether Britain (NOT Churchill) won is really not
important, at least not to every dead Briton.
 
>   :> For those of your following the ad hominem pendulum, apparently Les is
>   :> back to disliking name-calling again. Watch this space for future
>   :> developments.
>   :
>   :No, I just think that there's a time and a place for everything.  As I
>   :explained to another dumb-ass liberal (Rob K, I think), I understand the
>   :concept of "appropriate/not appropriate".  
> 
> As long as you reserve the right to define both terms--funny thing, how
> you always find name-calling by your opponents inappropriate, and
> name-calling my yourself and your compatriots appropriate.

Mostly because it is.
 
Les



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Dec 29 11:05:41 PST 1995
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Subject: A jew gives me advice on tactics (was: Kleim the Kook and Messiah of the neoKooks) 
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Daniel Mittleman (dmittleman@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes...
>>Daniel Mittleman (dmittleman@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu) writes:
> 
>>>     I noticed it too.  Les is sure the coalition builder, isn't he.  He has
>>>     read all that Hitler propoganda but missed some basic lessons about
>>>     acquiring power.  
>> 
>>One of the basic lessons of acquiring power (and, more importantly, holding
>>on to it) is that one does NOT compromise principles.  Oh, and also,
>>racists never, NEVER, make the mistake of assuming that jewish interests
>>intersect with White interests IN ANY WAY.
> 
>     Store this information away Les.  You might well be very very certain
>     that the White revolution is coming soon and that you will be in power. 
>     But it isn't.  And many years from now when you think back on it and
>     wonder what happened, think about your statement above.
> 
>     Hitler gained power by forming a fairly big tent.  He excluded
>     Communists and Jews, but early on he let almost everyone else in.  It
>     was after he had consolidated power that he turned against those he
>     believed had separate agendas, and even then he was careful to only
>     turn against one group at a time.
> 
>     One does not usually successfully acquire power by refusing to
>     compromise.

Sorry to disillusion you, Danbo, but we're NOT thinking of acquiring power
the way the "mainstream" political prostitutes do, where you pretend to
like (minority of the moment) for a boost in the polls.

>     One usually is successful at acquiring power by finding
>     win/win situations.

Well, this also may come as a surprise to you, but White Racism/National
Socialism is NOT some sort of philanthropic club.

>     You know Les, Mr. Graves is telling us that the
>     Jews (about 3% of the US population) have control of about 85% of the
>     media in the US.  I am not sure I buy his numbers, but if he is
>     anywhere near being right you might want to take a lesson from how
>     Jewish culture manages to do this while you all are holding rallies for
>     a couple dozen Brown Shirts at a shot.  Here's a free clue as to why
>     you all look so absurd to the Jewish community:  You are going about
>     your business in the exact wrong way!

And when I CARE about receiving kudos from a gaggle of jews, I'll come to
you for some advice.  That should be right after Hell freezes over.

>     I feel comfortable telling you this because I know you are too dense to
>     get it, but squirrel this away somewhere and in time you will see I was
>     right.

There's nothing to "get" about sneak-thievery.

Les



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Dec 29 11:05:42 PST 1995
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Stewart King (slking@husc7.harvard.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Stewart King (slking@course2.harvard.edu) writes:
> : > 
> : > : Maybe Hitler wasn't trying to write a Book-of-the-Month selection, 
> : > : but was writing to an EDUCATED audience, or at least one that 
> : > : wasn't cosmopolitan and trendy.
> : > 
> : > Les, it's time you saw the nice doctor for another round of reality 
> : > shots.  Why on earth must educated people hate jews?
> 
> : And why must educated people like them?  Since WHEN is education equal to
> : semitophilia?
> 
> Excedrin logical fallacy #42.  You implied that all educated people would 
> naturally want Jews exterminated for the good of society.  I questioned 
> that; it doesn't mean I'm claiming the exact opposite.  To answer your 
> useless question, educated people don't necessarily have to like them 
> but should at least respect their humanity.  

> : > I'm plenty educated and anything but trendy and I think they rock.
> 
> : Proof that education does NOT equal intelligence.
> 
> Oh, that's right, IQ scores do.  The Bell Curve and all that.  Too bad 
> mine's in the top 1% or you might have some kind of a point for once.

And...?  If you're so mighty intelligent, why are your posts so stupid and
lacking in ANY redeeming features?
 
> Besides, you brought up education.  If you meant intelligence, you should 
> have said "maybe Hitler was trying to reach an INTELLIGENT audience."

No, I meant educated.  Educated about the jewish presence in daily life. 
Please stop playing these semantic games, Stewie.
 
> : Jews don't just own delis and convenience stores.  Don't be deliberately 
> : stupid, you're vapid enough as is.
> 
> The delis are the backbone of the grass-roots ZOG intelligence-gathering 
> network - don't be naive.

Don't be an ass.
 
> : > Also, you've not to my recollection shared with us exactly how educated 
> : > you are.  (Although you're not nearly as dense as some around here  
> : > I could name.)
> 
> : My education has no bearing on the topic at hand, which is jewish
> : ownership of way too much in our society.
> 
> I thought it was that educated people should logically hate jews.

Nope.  People who are educated about JEWS would probably tend to dislike
them, but even some who claim to know a lot about them pretend that
there's nothing wrong with them.

> : And maybe we're not as gabby as Frankie, or perhaps maybe we look at a
> : little more than our own neighbourhoods.  
> 
> As far as I can tell you're trying to do the same thing you claim the 
> Jews have already done, only not doing a very good job of it.

Then you have very poor perceptive powers.  The whole point is, we're
trying to get RID of the jews.  Tell me, have the jews EVER tried to do that?

Les
 




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Ken McVay OBC (kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca) writes:
> In article <4brl2c$8os@access5.digex.net>, 
> mstein@access5.digex.net (Michael P. Stein) wrote:
> 
> [Griswold vomits]
> 
>>>> 2)  Who CARES if Hitler killed six million jews, or sixty million?  He
>>>> identified the problem facing post-WWI Germany, and took decisive action
>>>> to protect HIS people.
> 
> [ncrccjc points out]
> 
>>>This man really wants "Racist of the Year" very, very badly.
> 
>>    Hmn.  I think we may have to disqualify this one, though, on the 
>>grounds that above line was plagiarized.  As I recall Milt Kleim said 
>>some time ago that he didn't believe Hitler killed six million Jews, but 
>>he still would have admired him if he had killed sixty million.  What 
>>Griswold wrote above is close enough that I'm very suspicious of it.
> 
> Hell, Jason Smith, a neighbor of Mr. Griswold's, said last
> year: "Whether six million died or not I do not care. If they
> did, that's six million less to deal with in the future." I
> think Mr. Griswold, finding his mind an impossible place for
> the creation of original thought, simply copied Mr. Smith.
> 
> Smith: "Schoedel's closing fast and gaining massive support,
> Les, you'd better do something!"
> 
> Griswold: "Er, ah, er, I could use the n-word twice in the
> same sentence..."
> 
> Smith: "I've got it! Use my old 'Six Million' quote! That'll
> rock'em to their roots... lemme see if I can remember it...
> ah..er..ah... it must be in McOyVay's archives! Look it up
> there and ...."
> 
> Griswold: "Great! I'll crank up my rigii and....."

Pathetic.  You have to plagiarize a point made by Mikey Stein.  What's the
matter?  Working 16 hours a day on your rinky-dink little Nizkor project
is sapping your mind?  You're so used to repeating whatever any jew says,
that you can't help it?
-- 
     The National Alliance WebPage: http://www.natvan.com
                   Voice-mail: 1(304) 653-4600
P.O. Box 90, Hillsboro, WV 24946  U.S.A.
   Les Griswold BMOC.  e-mail: bn946@freenet.carleton.ca


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Subject: War-like jews stumping for hate-Hitlerism
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Samuel Untermeyer, president of the World Jewish Economic Federation, in a
radio broadcast on WABC (N.Y.), August 6 1933, declared that the jews of
the world had declared war on Germany and would STARVE them to death.

London _Jewish Chronicle_, May 8 1942:  "We have been at war with him
(Hitler) from the day that he gained power." (Hitler gained power in 1933.
 January 30, to be exact)

Rabbi M. Perlzweig head of the British section of the World Jewish
Congress, stated in Toronto that "The World Jewish Congress has been at
war with Germany for seven years." (Toronto Evening Telegram, February 26,
1940.)

The Dutch-Jewish paper, _Centraal-Blaad Voor Israeliten in Nederland_,
Sept. 13 1939, wrote:  "The millions of Jews who live in America, England
and France, North and South Africa, and, not to forget those in Palestine,
are determined to bring the war of annihilation against Germany to its
final end."

Chicago _Jewish Sentinel_, October 8, 1942:  "The Second World War is
being fought for the defense of the fundamentals of Judaism."

Vladmir Jabotinsky, fun-loving founder of the IRGUN terrorists, wrote in
the January 1934 issue of _Natcha Retch_:  "The fight against Germany has
been carried on for months by every Jewish community, conference, congress, 
trade organization, by every Jew in the world.  There is reason to believe
that our part in the struggle will be of general value.  We shall let
loose a spiritual and material war of the whole world against Germany. 
Germany's a,bition is to become a great nation again, to reconquer her
lost territories and colonies.  OUR JEWISH INTERESTS ON THE OTHER HAND
DEMAND THE COMPLETE DESTRUCTION OF GERMANY.  The German nation is collectively 
and individually a danger to us Jews."  [capitals added]

Les



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Daniel Mittleman (dmittleman@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes...
>>Daniel Mittleman (dmittleman@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu) writes:
> 
>>>     I noticed it too.  Les is sure the coalition builder, isn't he.  He has
>>>     read all that Hitler propoganda but missed some basic lessons about
>>>     acquiring power.  
>> 
>>One of the basic lessons of acquiring power (and, more importantly, holding
>>on to it) is that one does NOT compromise principles.  Oh, and also,
>>racists never, NEVER, make the mistake of assuming that jewish interests
>>intersect with White interests IN ANY WAY.
> 
>     Store this information away Les.  You might well be very very certain
>     that the White revolution is coming soon and that you will be in power. 
>     But it isn't.  And many years from now when you think back on it and
>     wonder what happened, think about your statement above.
> 
>     Hitler gained power by forming a fairly big tent.  He excluded
>     Communists and Jews, but early on he let almost everyone else in.  It
>     was after he had consolidated power that he turned against those he
>     believed had separate agendas, and even then he was careful to only
>     turn against one group at a time.
> 
>     One does not usually successfully acquire power by refusing to
>     compromise.

Sorry to disillusion you, Danbo, but we're NOT thinking of acquiring power
the way the "mainstream" political prostitutes do, where you pretend to
like (minority of the moment) for a boost in the polls.

>     One usually is successful at acquiring power by finding
>     win/win situations.

Well, this also may come as a surprise to you, but White Racism/National
Socialism is NOT some sort of philanthropic club.

>     You know Les, Mr. Graves is telling us that the
>     Jews (about 3% of the US population) have control of about 85% of the
>     media in the US.  I am not sure I buy his numbers, but if he is
>     anywhere near being right you might want to take a lesson from how
>     Jewish culture manages to do this while you all are holding rallies for
>     a couple dozen Brown Shirts at a shot.  Here's a free clue as to why
>     you all look so absurd to the Jewish community:  You are going about
>     your business in the exact wrong way!

And when I CARE about receiving kudos from a gaggle of jews, I'll come to
you for some advice.  That should be right after Hell freezes over.

>     I feel comfortable telling you this because I know you are too dense to
>     get it, but squirrel this away somewhere and in time you will see I was
>     right.

There's nothing to "get" about sneak-thievery.

Les



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Dec 29 15:08:02 PST 1995
Article: 21827 of soc.culture.jewish
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Subject: Re: Kleim the Kook and Messiah of the neoKooks
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Stewart King (slking@husc7.harvard.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Stewart King (slking@course2.harvard.edu) writes:
> : > 
> : > : Maybe Hitler wasn't trying to write a Book-of-the-Month selection, 
> : > : but was writing to an EDUCATED audience, or at least one that 
> : > : wasn't cosmopolitan and trendy.
> : > 
> : > Les, it's time you saw the nice doctor for another round of reality 
> : > shots.  Why on earth must educated people hate jews?
> 
> : And why must educated people like them?  Since WHEN is education equal to
> : semitophilia?
> 
> Excedrin logical fallacy #42.  You implied that all educated people would 
> naturally want Jews exterminated for the good of society.  I questioned 
> that; it doesn't mean I'm claiming the exact opposite.  To answer your 
> useless question, educated people don't necessarily have to like them 
> but should at least respect their humanity.  

> : > I'm plenty educated and anything but trendy and I think they rock.
> 
> : Proof that education does NOT equal intelligence.
> 
> Oh, that's right, IQ scores do.  The Bell Curve and all that.  Too bad 
> mine's in the top 1% or you might have some kind of a point for once.

And...?  If you're so mighty intelligent, why are your posts so stupid and
lacking in ANY redeeming features?
 
> Besides, you brought up education.  If you meant intelligence, you should 
> have said "maybe Hitler was trying to reach an INTELLIGENT audience."

No, I meant educated.  Educated about the jewish presence in daily life. 
Please stop playing these semantic games, Stewie.
 
> : Jews don't just own delis and convenience stores.  Don't be deliberately 
> : stupid, you're vapid enough as is.
> 
> The delis are the backbone of the grass-roots ZOG intelligence-gathering 
> network - don't be naive.

Don't be an ass.
 
> : > Also, you've not to my recollection shared with us exactly how educated 
> : > you are.  (Although you're not nearly as dense as some around here  
> : > I could name.)
> 
> : My education has no bearing on the topic at hand, which is jewish
> : ownership of way too much in our society.
> 
> I thought it was that educated people should logically hate jews.

Nope.  People who are educated about JEWS would probably tend to dislike
them, but even some who claim to know a lot about them pretend that
there's nothing wrong with them.

> : And maybe we're not as gabby as Frankie, or perhaps maybe we look at a
> : little more than our own neighbourhoods.  
> 
> As far as I can tell you're trying to do the same thing you claim the 
> Jews have already done, only not doing a very good job of it.

Then you have very poor perceptive powers.  The whole point is, we're
trying to get RID of the jews.  Tell me, have the jews EVER tried to do that?

Les
 




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Dec 29 17:16:42 PST 1995
Article: 9399 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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Subject: A jew gives me advice on tactics (was: Kleim the Kook and Messiah of the neoKooks) 
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Daniel Mittleman (dmittleman@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes...
>>Daniel Mittleman (dmittleman@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu) writes:
> 
>>>     I noticed it too.  Les is sure the coalition builder, isn't he.  He has
>>>     read all that Hitler propoganda but missed some basic lessons about
>>>     acquiring power.  
>> 
>>One of the basic lessons of acquiring power (and, more importantly, holding
>>on to it) is that one does NOT compromise principles.  Oh, and also,
>>racists never, NEVER, make the mistake of assuming that jewish interests
>>intersect with White interests IN ANY WAY.
> 
>     Store this information away Les.  You might well be very very certain
>     that the White revolution is coming soon and that you will be in power. 
>     But it isn't.  And many years from now when you think back on it and
>     wonder what happened, think about your statement above.
> 
>     Hitler gained power by forming a fairly big tent.  He excluded
>     Communists and Jews, but early on he let almost everyone else in.  It
>     was after he had consolidated power that he turned against those he
>     believed had separate agendas, and even then he was careful to only
>     turn against one group at a time.
> 
>     One does not usually successfully acquire power by refusing to
>     compromise.

Sorry to disillusion you, Danbo, but we're NOT thinking of acquiring power
the way the "mainstream" political prostitutes do, where you pretend to
like (minority of the moment) for a boost in the polls.

>     One usually is successful at acquiring power by finding
>     win/win situations.

Well, this also may come as a surprise to you, but White Racism/National
Socialism is NOT some sort of philanthropic club.

>     You know Les, Mr. Graves is telling us that the
>     Jews (about 3% of the US population) have control of about 85% of the
>     media in the US.  I am not sure I buy his numbers, but if he is
>     anywhere near being right you might want to take a lesson from how
>     Jewish culture manages to do this while you all are holding rallies for
>     a couple dozen Brown Shirts at a shot.  Here's a free clue as to why
>     you all look so absurd to the Jewish community:  You are going about
>     your business in the exact wrong way!

And when I CARE about receiving kudos from a gaggle of jews, I'll come to
you for some advice.  That should be right after Hell freezes over.

>     I feel comfortable telling you this because I know you are too dense to
>     get it, but squirrel this away somewhere and in time you will see I was
>     right.

There's nothing to "get" about sneak-thievery.

Les



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Dec 29 17:16:44 PST 1995
Article: 9403 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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Stewart King (slking@husc7.harvard.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Stewart King (slking@course2.harvard.edu) writes:
> : > 
> : > : Maybe Hitler wasn't trying to write a Book-of-the-Month selection, 
> : > : but was writing to an EDUCATED audience, or at least one that 
> : > : wasn't cosmopolitan and trendy.
> : > 
> : > Les, it's time you saw the nice doctor for another round of reality 
> : > shots.  Why on earth must educated people hate jews?
> 
> : And why must educated people like them?  Since WHEN is education equal to
> : semitophilia?
> 
> Excedrin logical fallacy #42.  You implied that all educated people would 
> naturally want Jews exterminated for the good of society.  I questioned 
> that; it doesn't mean I'm claiming the exact opposite.  To answer your 
> useless question, educated people don't necessarily have to like them 
> but should at least respect their humanity.  

> : > I'm plenty educated and anything but trendy and I think they rock.
> 
> : Proof that education does NOT equal intelligence.
> 
> Oh, that's right, IQ scores do.  The Bell Curve and all that.  Too bad 
> mine's in the top 1% or you might have some kind of a point for once.

And...?  If you're so mighty intelligent, why are your posts so stupid and
lacking in ANY redeeming features?
 
> Besides, you brought up education.  If you meant intelligence, you should 
> have said "maybe Hitler was trying to reach an INTELLIGENT audience."

No, I meant educated.  Educated about the jewish presence in daily life. 
Please stop playing these semantic games, Stewie.
 
> : Jews don't just own delis and convenience stores.  Don't be deliberately 
> : stupid, you're vapid enough as is.
> 
> The delis are the backbone of the grass-roots ZOG intelligence-gathering 
> network - don't be naive.

Don't be an ass.
 
> : > Also, you've not to my recollection shared with us exactly how educated 
> : > you are.  (Although you're not nearly as dense as some around here  
> : > I could name.)
> 
> : My education has no bearing on the topic at hand, which is jewish
> : ownership of way too much in our society.
> 
> I thought it was that educated people should logically hate jews.

Nope.  People who are educated about JEWS would probably tend to dislike
them, but even some who claim to know a lot about them pretend that
there's nothing wrong with them.

> : And maybe we're not as gabby as Frankie, or perhaps maybe we look at a
> : little more than our own neighbourhoods.  
> 
> As far as I can tell you're trying to do the same thing you claim the 
> Jews have already done, only not doing a very good job of it.

Then you have very poor perceptive powers.  The whole point is, we're
trying to get RID of the jews.  Tell me, have the jews EVER tried to do that?

Les
 




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Subject: Get a grip, McOyVay... (was: Griswold quotes other racists...)
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Ken McVay OBC (kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca) writes:
> In article <4brl2c$8os@access5.digex.net>, 
> mstein@access5.digex.net (Michael P. Stein) wrote:
> 
> [Griswold vomits]
> 
>>>> 2)  Who CARES if Hitler killed six million jews, or sixty million?  He
>>>> identified the problem facing post-WWI Germany, and took decisive action
>>>> to protect HIS people.
> 
> [ncrccjc points out]
> 
>>>This man really wants "Racist of the Year" very, very badly.
> 
>>    Hmn.  I think we may have to disqualify this one, though, on the 
>>grounds that above line was plagiarized.  As I recall Milt Kleim said 
>>some time ago that he didn't believe Hitler killed six million Jews, but 
>>he still would have admired him if he had killed sixty million.  What 
>>Griswold wrote above is close enough that I'm very suspicious of it.
> 
> Hell, Jason Smith, a neighbor of Mr. Griswold's, said last
> year: "Whether six million died or not I do not care. If they
> did, that's six million less to deal with in the future." I
> think Mr. Griswold, finding his mind an impossible place for
> the creation of original thought, simply copied Mr. Smith.
> 
> Smith: "Schoedel's closing fast and gaining massive support,
> Les, you'd better do something!"
> 
> Griswold: "Er, ah, er, I could use the n-word twice in the
> same sentence..."
> 
> Smith: "I've got it! Use my old 'Six Million' quote! That'll
> rock'em to their roots... lemme see if I can remember it...
> ah..er..ah... it must be in McOyVay's archives! Look it up
> there and ...."
> 
> Griswold: "Great! I'll crank up my rigii and....."

Pathetic.  You have to plagiarize a point made by Mikey Stein.  What's the
matter?  Working 16 hours a day on your rinky-dink little Nizkor project
is sapping your mind?  You're so used to repeating whatever any jew says,
that you can't help it?
-- 
     The National Alliance WebPage: http://www.natvan.com
                   Voice-mail: 1(304) 653-4600
P.O. Box 90, Hillsboro, WV 24946  U.S.A.
   Les Griswold BMOC.  e-mail: bn946@freenet.carleton.ca


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Dec 29 17:16:45 PST 1995
Article: 9413 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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Android Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:

(snip)

>   :> You want an objective view of Hitler? Okay. Let's leave aside the whole
>   :> question of ideology and the Holocaust. In about a dozen years of his
>   :> leadership, Hitler led his nation from hyperinflation and despair to
>   :> abject destruction.
>   :
>   :Wow!  That's quite a jump, from 1933 to 1945!  And of course, he did
>   :NOTHING else other than get involved in WWII, which he had the bad taste
>   :to lose...
> 
> He did little else. The whole German economic recovery was based on
> rearmament. The whole of the economit resurgence was accomplished by
> placing Germany on a wartime footing.
\
Like hell.  Germany's economic recovery was in large part due to Hitler
taking their monetary system OFF the gold standard, and replacing it with
barter.  The jews, of course, went ballistic over this.

>   :> He deliberately offended the rest of the world,
>   :
>   :How?  By telling everyone what they pretty much already knew, ie that jews
>   :were vermin?
> 
> No, Les, by invading and/or bombing them. 

Didn't happen until 1939.  You're seriously telling us that Hitler sat on
his ass for SIX years?  Never heard of the Four Year Plan?

> Had Hitler told the Poles,
> Belgians, Dutch, and French that jews were to blame for all their ills,
> they would have laughed them off. Instead, he invaded.

He DID tell them.  Rather, he TRIED to tell them.  And France, for your
information, declared war on Germany.  Nor do I blame the Germans for
holding a special rancor for the French.  Versailles and all that.

> Here's a hint: if you want to piss off any nation on Earth, invade its
> territory and kill its citizens. That'll do it.
> 
>   :BTW, Andy-panda, I did a project in school on discrimination oh so many
>   :years ago, and I ran across an interesting little fact:  most of the
>   :American troops in Germany after WWII felt that the Germans were justified
>   :in not liking jews.
> 
> How many of them felt that the Germans were justified in invading
> Czechoslovakia, Poland, the Netherlands, Belgium, and France?
> 
>   :> and made defeat certain. In launching Operation Barbarossa, Hitler opened a
>   :> two-front war, the very thing that everyone since Metternich had warned
>   :> against.
>   :
>   :Hitler opened a two-front war because Stalin was getting too ambitious in,
>   :among other areas, Poland.  His Operation Barbarossa pre-empted a Soviet
>   :invasion of Western Europe by TWO WEEKS.
> 
> 
> 
> Uhhh...what?
> 
> 
> 
> Your source for this assertion? The USSR was clearly caught off guard by
> the invasion from the East. Had they been mobilizing against Western
> Europe, they would have been better prepared to handle an assault from the
> East. The USSR's slow response to the invasion (Stalin was drunk for the
> first 2 days, as I hear it, but that may be apocryphal) tends to disprove
> Eastern front readiness.

Viktor Suvorov, a former soviet artillery officer.

The Soviets were slow to react because they were ready for an OFFENSIVE
war, not a defensive one.
 
>   :> Objectively, any chief executive who manages to destroy his nation and get
>   :> tens of millions of his citizens killed (I'm talking about war dead here)
>   :> is not an effective leader.
>   :
>   :So, Churchill must be a pretty poor leader, eh? 
> 
> Not remotely.
> 
>   :Before you get all hoity-toity on me, do a reality check:
>   :
>   :1)  How many British citizens (soldiers and non-combatants) died in WWII?
> 
> Fewer than German citizens.
> 
>   :2)  How big is the British Empire today,
> 
> Not very, unless one counts the Commonwealth.
> 
>   :when did it start shrinking
> 
> 1776 by square mileage, early 20th centry by population.
> 
>   :and under whose prime ministership?
> 
> Pitt the Younger? My knowledge of British politics of that period is
> vague, at best.
> 
>      --------------------------------------------------------
>               "You come to see what you want to see
>            You come to see, but you never come to know."
>                         --Kinky Friedman
>      --------------------------------------------------------
>  Andy Walton  *  atticus@mindspring.com  *  finger for e.e. cummings
>               http://www.mindspring.com/~atticus/




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Dec 29 17:48:42 PST 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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George Graves (gmgraves@aimnet.com) writes:
> xyz@scsn.net wrote:
>> 
>> joel rosenburg sent this to me and to my system administrator:
>> 
>> :Given the just barely implicit threats that have been made against one Ken
>> :McVay by somebody apparently posting from this account under, variously, the
>> :names of "Davey Padget", "R.C. Richards", and "Racial Theorist", I thought
>> :it only fair to verify this information before passing it along to the
>> :appropriate authorities, who undoubtedly will either be aware or be made
>> :aware that McVay has recently been targetted by at least one white
>> :supremacist group for his anti-bigotry work on the Nizkor Project.
>> 
>> so have you passed the info on to the appropiate authorities, joel?  i
>> guess i'm gonna be locked up, huh?
>> like i told you, joel, sorry but i haven't threatened anybody, not
>> implicitly, not explicitly, not barely implicitly.  basically, joel,
>> you're full of it.
>> i never have gone in for this paramilitary crap or for breaking any
>> laws or for writing threats.  so for you to jump up on your high horse
>> and say i have basically shows you to be crybaby and a liar, plain and
>> simple.
>> as far as mcvay goes, i don't much care what he does with his spare
>> time.  and i don't think much of his nizkor project other than that
>> it's a good way for him to waste his time.  i think it's great that he
>> archives everybody's posts.  but, sorry, joel, i ain't too impressed
>> with kenny mcvay or with his work.
>> just what do you think i would stand to gain by threatening kenny
>> mcvay?
>> i guess it kind of got to you, joel, that i kind of pointed out a few
>> inconsistencies in mcvay's way of thinking, but that don't give
>> anybody a right to threaten him.  sure he's a hypocrite.  sure he's a
>> don quixote, jousting at imaginary windmills.  sure he pumps gas for a
>> living and sure he's a jerk, and sure you and he have one set of rules
>> for kenny mcvay and another set for everybody else,  but i really
>> don't think enough of him one way or the other to threaten him.
>> basically, what joel has proven is what i've said all along about
>> liberals being against free speech.  but there ain't but about 8 isp's
>> here in columbia.
>> and you haven't done anything to help your cause, joel.  i'm beginning
>> to think that some of the things les and i have disagreed on in this
>> ng recently--that les might just know what he's talking about.
>> 
>> in loyal service to the white race,
>> 
>> R.C. Richards, Racial Theorist
> 
> This is what I can't understand. These people come on this NG and call us
> racists and biggots, and tell us we're wrong, and scream hatefull things
> at us ("We love all humanity,BUT WE HATE RACISTS"). but when we say 
> things that they don't like, they accuse us of slander, they accuse us of
> threatening them. I don't get it. If I didn't want to get beaten-up by a 
> big gorilla, I WOULDN'T GO INTO HIS CAGE!
> 
> Maybe these people think that there are easy victories here. Well, they 
> are finding out differently. Notice how liberals scream when THEY don't
> get their way!

Basically, that's it.  The liberals come here thinking that they can flex
their virtual muscles, because every time they try it in person, they get
their asses kicked but good.  Unfortunately for them, their ideas are just
as weak as their vice- and degeneracy-ridden bodies, and they get really
huffy when they can't win.  THEN they'll resort to any and all means to
get some sort of victory, even cry-baby ones like writing to someone's
sysadmin.

Les



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Dec 29 17:48:43 PST 1995
Article: 12566 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: A jew gives me advice on tactics (was: Kleim the Kook and Messiah of the neoKooks) 
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Daniel Mittleman (dmittleman@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes...
>>Daniel Mittleman (dmittleman@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu) writes:
> 
>>>     I noticed it too.  Les is sure the coalition builder, isn't he.  He has
>>>     read all that Hitler propoganda but missed some basic lessons about
>>>     acquiring power.  
>> 
>>One of the basic lessons of acquiring power (and, more importantly, holding
>>on to it) is that one does NOT compromise principles.  Oh, and also,
>>racists never, NEVER, make the mistake of assuming that jewish interests
>>intersect with White interests IN ANY WAY.
> 
>     Store this information away Les.  You might well be very very certain
>     that the White revolution is coming soon and that you will be in power. 
>     But it isn't.  And many years from now when you think back on it and
>     wonder what happened, think about your statement above.
> 
>     Hitler gained power by forming a fairly big tent.  He excluded
>     Communists and Jews, but early on he let almost everyone else in.  It
>     was after he had consolidated power that he turned against those he
>     believed had separate agendas, and even then he was careful to only
>     turn against one group at a time.
> 
>     One does not usually successfully acquire power by refusing to
>     compromise.

Sorry to disillusion you, Danbo, but we're NOT thinking of acquiring power
the way the "mainstream" political prostitutes do, where you pretend to
like (minority of the moment) for a boost in the polls.

>     One usually is successful at acquiring power by finding
>     win/win situations.

Well, this also may come as a surprise to you, but White Racism/National
Socialism is NOT some sort of philanthropic club.

>     You know Les, Mr. Graves is telling us that the
>     Jews (about 3% of the US population) have control of about 85% of the
>     media in the US.  I am not sure I buy his numbers, but if he is
>     anywhere near being right you might want to take a lesson from how
>     Jewish culture manages to do this while you all are holding rallies for
>     a couple dozen Brown Shirts at a shot.  Here's a free clue as to why
>     you all look so absurd to the Jewish community:  You are going about
>     your business in the exact wrong way!

And when I CARE about receiving kudos from a gaggle of jews, I'll come to
you for some advice.  That should be right after Hell freezes over.

>     I feel comfortable telling you this because I know you are too dense to
>     get it, but squirrel this away somewhere and in time you will see I was
>     right.

There's nothing to "get" about sneak-thievery.

Les



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Dec 29 17:48:45 PST 1995
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Stewart King (slking@husc7.harvard.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Stewart King (slking@course2.harvard.edu) writes:
> : > 
> : > : Maybe Hitler wasn't trying to write a Book-of-the-Month selection, 
> : > : but was writing to an EDUCATED audience, or at least one that 
> : > : wasn't cosmopolitan and trendy.
> : > 
> : > Les, it's time you saw the nice doctor for another round of reality 
> : > shots.  Why on earth must educated people hate jews?
> 
> : And why must educated people like them?  Since WHEN is education equal to
> : semitophilia?
> 
> Excedrin logical fallacy #42.  You implied that all educated people would 
> naturally want Jews exterminated for the good of society.  I questioned 
> that; it doesn't mean I'm claiming the exact opposite.  To answer your 
> useless question, educated people don't necessarily have to like them 
> but should at least respect their humanity.  

> : > I'm plenty educated and anything but trendy and I think they rock.
> 
> : Proof that education does NOT equal intelligence.
> 
> Oh, that's right, IQ scores do.  The Bell Curve and all that.  Too bad 
> mine's in the top 1% or you might have some kind of a point for once.

And...?  If you're so mighty intelligent, why are your posts so stupid and
lacking in ANY redeeming features?
 
> Besides, you brought up education.  If you meant intelligence, you should 
> have said "maybe Hitler was trying to reach an INTELLIGENT audience."

No, I meant educated.  Educated about the jewish presence in daily life. 
Please stop playing these semantic games, Stewie.
 
> : Jews don't just own delis and convenience stores.  Don't be deliberately 
> : stupid, you're vapid enough as is.
> 
> The delis are the backbone of the grass-roots ZOG intelligence-gathering 
> network - don't be naive.

Don't be an ass.
 
> : > Also, you've not to my recollection shared with us exactly how educated 
> : > you are.  (Although you're not nearly as dense as some around here  
> : > I could name.)
> 
> : My education has no bearing on the topic at hand, which is jewish
> : ownership of way too much in our society.
> 
> I thought it was that educated people should logically hate jews.

Nope.  People who are educated about JEWS would probably tend to dislike
them, but even some who claim to know a lot about them pretend that
there's nothing wrong with them.

> : And maybe we're not as gabby as Frankie, or perhaps maybe we look at a
> : little more than our own neighbourhoods.  
> 
> As far as I can tell you're trying to do the same thing you claim the 
> Jews have already done, only not doing a very good job of it.

Then you have very poor perceptive powers.  The whole point is, we're
trying to get RID of the jews.  Tell me, have the jews EVER tried to do that?

Les
 




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Ken McVay OBC (kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca) writes:
> In article <4brl2c$8os@access5.digex.net>, 
> mstein@access5.digex.net (Michael P. Stein) wrote:
> 
> [Griswold vomits]
> 
>>>> 2)  Who CARES if Hitler killed six million jews, or sixty million?  He
>>>> identified the problem facing post-WWI Germany, and took decisive action
>>>> to protect HIS people.
> 
> [ncrccjc points out]
> 
>>>This man really wants "Racist of the Year" very, very badly.
> 
>>    Hmn.  I think we may have to disqualify this one, though, on the 
>>grounds that above line was plagiarized.  As I recall Milt Kleim said 
>>some time ago that he didn't believe Hitler killed six million Jews, but 
>>he still would have admired him if he had killed sixty million.  What 
>>Griswold wrote above is close enough that I'm very suspicious of it.
> 
> Hell, Jason Smith, a neighbor of Mr. Griswold's, said last
> year: "Whether six million died or not I do not care. If they
> did, that's six million less to deal with in the future." I
> think Mr. Griswold, finding his mind an impossible place for
> the creation of original thought, simply copied Mr. Smith.
> 
> Smith: "Schoedel's closing fast and gaining massive support,
> Les, you'd better do something!"
> 
> Griswold: "Er, ah, er, I could use the n-word twice in the
> same sentence..."
> 
> Smith: "I've got it! Use my old 'Six Million' quote! That'll
> rock'em to their roots... lemme see if I can remember it...
> ah..er..ah... it must be in McOyVay's archives! Look it up
> there and ...."
> 
> Griswold: "Great! I'll crank up my rigii and....."

Pathetic.  You have to plagiarize a point made by Mikey Stein.  What's the
matter?  Working 16 hours a day on your rinky-dink little Nizkor project
is sapping your mind?  You're so used to repeating whatever any jew says,
that you can't help it?
-- 
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From bn946@freenet.carleton.ca. Fri Dec 29 17:48:46 PST 1995
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Subject: Re: Oh, please! (was: MORONS that deny the Holocaust)
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Caesar (Caesar@augur.demon.co.uk) writes:
> In article 
>            bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA "Les Griswold" writes:
> 
>> Kyle Moline (dawnlyn@sundial.net) writes:
>> > The Holocaust perpetated against the jews by the German Nazis was the most 
>> > thoroughly documented event in human history.  The reason for this was not
>>  the 
>> > need of an excuse to abuse Germany.  Hitler made sure that the world had no 
>> > choice but punish Germany.  The reason for the extinsive documentation of the > > Holocaust was the absolute pervesion of the sadists who ran the Death Camps.  > > The abominations that they committed were so unbelievable that witnesses knew > > that human nature would be to deny that it was humanly possible for a society > > to become so sick that this type atrocity could occur.  I would list
>>  refrences 
>> > but Anti-semetic mouth-breathers would deny it.  If you are reading this and 
>> > you are a white-supremisist please ask one of you educated aquaintences to 
>> > show you to the library.  The librarian can show you the resorce materials.  
>> > Many of them have alot of pictures, so you will have something to look at. 
>> 
>> Yeah, and Germans in WWI cut the hands off Belgian babies...
> 
> No babies were found without hands after WWI in Belgium.
> 
> There were lots of Jews found in concentration camps at the end of
> WWII.

Tell me, since when does concentration camp = extermination?  Would I be
justified in jumping to the conclusion that concentration camps automatically 
mean extermination?  Well, then, I guess we owe the Japs a hell of a lot more 
than we gave them ($10,000 each in Canada)

Les



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Ken McVay OBC (kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca) writes:
> In article <4brl2c$8os@access5.digex.net>, 
> mstein@access5.digex.net (Michael P. Stein) wrote:
> 
> [Griswold vomits]
> 
>>>> 2)  Who CARES if Hitler killed six million jews, or sixty million?  He
>>>> identified the problem facing post-WWI Germany, and took decisive action
>>>> to protect HIS people.
> 
> [ncrccjc points out]
> 
>>>This man really wants "Racist of the Year" very, very badly.
> 
>>    Hmn.  I think we may have to disqualify this one, though, on the 
>>grounds that above line was plagiarized.  As I recall Milt Kleim said 
>>some time ago that he didn't believe Hitler killed six million Jews, but 
>>he still would have admired him if he had killed sixty million.  What 
>>Griswold wrote above is close enough that I'm very suspicious of it.
> 
> Hell, Jason Smith, a neighbor of Mr. Griswold's, said last
> year: "Whether six million died or not I do not care. If they
> did, that's six million less to deal with in the future." I
> think Mr. Griswold, finding his mind an impossible place for
> the creation of original thought, simply copied Mr. Smith.
> 
> Smith: "Schoedel's closing fast and gaining massive support,
> Les, you'd better do something!"
> 
> Griswold: "Er, ah, er, I could use the n-word twice in the
> same sentence..."
> 
> Smith: "I've got it! Use my old 'Six Million' quote! That'll
> rock'em to their roots... lemme see if I can remember it...
> ah..er..ah... it must be in McOyVay's archives! Look it up
> there and ...."
> 
> Griswold: "Great! I'll crank up my rigii and....."

Pathetic.  You have to plagiarize a point made by Mikey Stein.  What's the
matter?  Working 16 hours a day on your rinky-dink little Nizkor project
is sapping your mind?  You're so used to repeating whatever any jew says,
that you can't help it?
-- 
     The National Alliance WebPage: http://www.natvan.com
                   Voice-mail: 1(304) 653-4600
P.O. Box 90, Hillsboro, WV 24946  U.S.A.
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Ken McVay OBC (kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca) writes:
> In article <4brl2c$8os@access5.digex.net>, 
> mstein@access5.digex.net (Michael P. Stein) wrote:
> 
> [Griswold vomits]
> 
>>>> 2)  Who CARES if Hitler killed six million jews, or sixty million?  He
>>>> identified the problem facing post-WWI Germany, and took decisive action
>>>> to protect HIS people.
> 
> [ncrccjc points out]
> 
>>>This man really wants "Racist of the Year" very, very badly.
> 
>>    Hmn.  I think we may have to disqualify this one, though, on the 
>>grounds that above line was plagiarized.  As I recall Milt Kleim said 
>>some time ago that he didn't believe Hitler killed six million Jews, but 
>>he still would have admired him if he had killed sixty million.  What 
>>Griswold wrote above is close enough that I'm very suspicious of it.
> 
> Hell, Jason Smith, a neighbor of Mr. Griswold's, said last
> year: "Whether six million died or not I do not care. If they
> did, that's six million less to deal with in the future." I
> think Mr. Griswold, finding his mind an impossible place for
> the creation of original thought, simply copied Mr. Smith.
> 
> Smith: "Schoedel's closing fast and gaining massive support,
> Les, you'd better do something!"
> 
> Griswold: "Er, ah, er, I could use the n-word twice in the
> same sentence..."
> 
> Smith: "I've got it! Use my old 'Six Million' quote! That'll
> rock'em to their roots... lemme see if I can remember it...
> ah..er..ah... it must be in McOyVay's archives! Look it up
> there and ...."
> 
> Griswold: "Great! I'll crank up my rigii and....."

Pathetic.  You have to plagiarize a point made by Mikey Stein.  What's the
matter?  Working 16 hours a day on your rinky-dink little Nizkor project
is sapping your mind?  You're so used to repeating whatever any jew says,
that you can't help it?
-- 
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                   Voice-mail: 1(304) 653-4600
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From bn946@freenet.carleton.ca. Fri Dec 29 17:48:48 PST 1995
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Subject: Re: Oh, please! (was: MORONS that deny the Holocaust)
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Caesar (Caesar@augur.demon.co.uk) writes:
> In article 
>            bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA "Les Griswold" writes:
> 
>> Kyle Moline (dawnlyn@sundial.net) writes:
>> > The Holocaust perpetated against the jews by the German Nazis was the most 
>> > thoroughly documented event in human history.  The reason for this was not
>>  the 
>> > need of an excuse to abuse Germany.  Hitler made sure that the world had no 
>> > choice but punish Germany.  The reason for the extinsive documentation of the > > Holocaust was the absolute pervesion of the sadists who ran the Death Camps.  > > The abominations that they committed were so unbelievable that witnesses knew > > that human nature would be to deny that it was humanly possible for a society > > to become so sick that this type atrocity could occur.  I would list
>>  refrences 
>> > but Anti-semetic mouth-breathers would deny it.  If you are reading this and 
>> > you are a white-supremisist please ask one of you educated aquaintences to 
>> > show you to the library.  The librarian can show you the resorce materials.  
>> > Many of them have alot of pictures, so you will have something to look at. 
>> 
>> Yeah, and Germans in WWI cut the hands off Belgian babies...
> 
> No babies were found without hands after WWI in Belgium.
> 
> There were lots of Jews found in concentration camps at the end of
> WWII.

Tell me, since when does concentration camp = extermination?  Would I be
justified in jumping to the conclusion that concentration camps automatically 
mean extermination?  Well, then, I guess we owe the Japs a hell of a lot more 
than we gave them ($10,000 each in Canada)

Les



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Dec 29 21:01:37 PST 1995
Article: 17987 of alt.revisionism
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Subject: Re: Kleim the Kook and Messiah of the neoKooks
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william c anderson (libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> 
> : And why must educated people like them?  Since WHEN is education equal to
> : semitophilia?
> 
> It isn't.  Education, though, generally relieves one of the notion that
> people can be classified and judged by imaginary racial characteristics,
> that they are primarily motivated by such characteristics, and that the
> world is full of gigantic, secret conspiracies which may be blamed for
> all of one's personal failings.

I think you meant "re-education", Billy.  HTH.

> You ought to try a little, Les.  You don't have to go to college--you can 
> obtain a perfectly suitable education by talking to people, observing the
> world, and reading books

I have, among other methods.

One of the many things that's strange about liberals is that they tell us
to get out and see the real world, and then when we DO, and report what
we've encountered, some priss will come along and sneer that empirical
observations don't count, or that our sample size was insufficient to draw
proper (ie, non-racist) conclusions, or some other such twaddle.

> There are even things to be learned from Mein Kampf and the Protocols of the
> Elders of Zion, if one places them in their proper context.

Would "proper context" in this case mean "one that ignores any
'anti-semitism'"?

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Dec 29 21:01:38 PST 1995
Article: 17989 of alt.revisionism
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: What Hitler did and didn't write (was: Kleim the Kook and Messiah of the neoKooks) 
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Mark Van Alstine (mvanalst@rbi.com) writes:

(snip)

M.V.A.:
>> > The quote is indeed there (1939 edition, London, page 60), as I have posted.

Moi: 
>> That's the sort of thing you semitophiles like:  quibbling over small,
>> unimportant points, to divert the topic from anything important and
>> harmful to jews. (because it tells the truth about them).
> 
> Or maybe it is because anti-Semites and Naziphiles have need to misquote
> and fabricate things, to obscure historical accuracy, in their desperate
> need to "support" their stupid and fallacious little "arguments?"

Indeed.  So WHEN have I, or anyone else, DENIED what Hitler wrote?  The
point that should be addressed, whether Hitler wrote it or not (he did)
is, IS IT TRUE?

(the quote under discussion, for those of you who haven't followed this message 
string too closely, is that Hitler observed that every sort of corruption 
invariably had a jew at the center.)

Les



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Dec 29 21:01:39 PST 1995
Article: 17990 of alt.revisionism
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Movin' jews! (was: It sure as hell WASN'T!)
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Fragano Ledgister (fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Harry "Cool"Katz (hkatz@earth.usa.net) writes:
> : > In article <30E133EC.5337@aimnet.com>,
> : > George Graves (gmgraves@aimnet.com) whines:
> 
> : (snip)
> 
> : > But notice that Mr. Graves glosses over the fact that peaceful
> : > political dissent in Nazi Germany meant death.  Seems that a little
> : > brutality is all right in politics, according to MR. Graves, as long
> : > as the victims were "very few" in number!
> 
> : ... or Communists, criminals, moral degenerates.
> 
> What's wrong with Communists? As for criminals and moral
> degenerates, surely there are other means than execution.

If you have to ask, you're too stupid to appreciate the answer.

Les



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Dec 29 21:01:41 PST 1995
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Subject: Re: Movin' jews! (was: It sure as hell WASN'T!)
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Harry "Cool" Katz (hkatz@earth.usa.net) writes:
> I wrote:
> 
> 	But notice that Mr. Graves glosses over the fact that peaceful
> 	political dissent in Nazi Germany meant death.  Seems that a
> 	little brutality is all right in politics, according to
> 	Mr. Graves, as long as the victims were "very few" in number!
> 
> 
> In article ,
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) whines:
> 
> 	... or Communists, criminals, moral degenerates.
> 
> If the Nazis rounded up any criminals or moral degenerates when they
> first took power in Germany, then it was totally by accident, as they
> were only looking for leaders of all opposition political parties,
> leaders of trade unions, and civic and church leaders who would not
> sell out to the Nazi ideology.
> 
> The idea was not to discover the criminals and moral degenerates, but
> to protect them, as they had already seized the reins of government.

Geez, Felix, you sure know an awful lot about what the Nazis REALLY meant,
when they cleaned up their society.

Les



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Dec 30 09:47:30 PST 1995
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william c anderson (libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> 
> : And why must educated people like them?  Since WHEN is education equal to
> : semitophilia?
> 
> It isn't.  Education, though, generally relieves one of the notion that
> people can be classified and judged by imaginary racial characteristics,
> that they are primarily motivated by such characteristics, and that the
> world is full of gigantic, secret conspiracies which may be blamed for
> all of one's personal failings.

I think you meant "re-education", Billy.  HTH.

> You ought to try a little, Les.  You don't have to go to college--you can 
> obtain a perfectly suitable education by talking to people, observing the
> world, and reading books

I have, among other methods.

One of the many things that's strange about liberals is that they tell us
to get out and see the real world, and then when we DO, and report what
we've encountered, some priss will come along and sneer that empirical
observations don't count, or that our sample size was insufficient to draw
proper (ie, non-racist) conclusions, or some other such twaddle.

> There are even things to be learned from Mein Kampf and the Protocols of the
> Elders of Zion, if one places them in their proper context.

Would "proper context" in this case mean "one that ignores any
'anti-semitism'"?

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Dec 30 09:47:31 PST 1995
Article: 17989 of alt.revisionism
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: What Hitler did and didn't write (was: Kleim the Kook and Messiah of the neoKooks) 
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Mark Van Alstine (mvanalst@rbi.com) writes:

(snip)

M.V.A.:
>> > The quote is indeed there (1939 edition, London, page 60), as I have posted.

Moi: 
>> That's the sort of thing you semitophiles like:  quibbling over small,
>> unimportant points, to divert the topic from anything important and
>> harmful to jews. (because it tells the truth about them).
> 
> Or maybe it is because anti-Semites and Naziphiles have need to misquote
> and fabricate things, to obscure historical accuracy, in their desperate
> need to "support" their stupid and fallacious little "arguments?"

Indeed.  So WHEN have I, or anyone else, DENIED what Hitler wrote?  The
point that should be addressed, whether Hitler wrote it or not (he did)
is, IS IT TRUE?

(the quote under discussion, for those of you who haven't followed this message 
string too closely, is that Hitler observed that every sort of corruption 
invariably had a jew at the center.)

Les



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Dec 30 09:47:38 PST 1995
Article: 18075 of alt.revisionism
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Subject: Re: More untruths from Ken Mcvay (He just keeps going, and going, and...)
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Ken McVay OBC (kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca) writes:

(snip)

> As to the wisdom of introducing their political and social
> viewpoints in non-political newsgroups, I refer you to their
> stated plan to hustle users all over the net by various means,
> including posting to inappropriate newsgroups... see my
> response to Schoedel's questions for precise outlines of what
> they planned to do, and how they planned to do it.

Oh, so it's okay to do, because the Natsees are doing it?


-- 
     The National Alliance WebPage: http://www.natvan.com
                   Voice-mail: 1(304) 653-4600
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   Les Griswold BMOC.  e-mail: bn946@freenet.carleton.ca


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Dec 30 09:47:39 PST 1995
Article: 18076 of alt.revisionism
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: War-like jews stumping for hate-Hitlerism
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Daniel Keren (dkeren@world.std.com) writes:
> Actually, all this is strikingly similar to what is 
> happening today. Just as Griswold is using some
> anti-Nazi statements by Jews, made 50-60 years ago in
> response to antisemitic actions and threats by Nazis, to
> try and shift the blame from the Nazis to the Jews, the
> same tactic is being used by Nazis today. The idea is
> simple (these people can, after all, only repeat simple
> things that their heroes did in the past):
> 
> 1) Post the worst racist drivel possible (like "I would 
>    still admire Hitler even if he would have killed 60 
>    million Jews", etc).
> 
> 2) Wait for some Jew to respond in anger.
> 
> 3) Use this response to "prove" that Jews hate the poor
>    little innocent Nazi.
> 
> Not very original... but, again, that's what the "Aryan
> super brain" can do.

No, sorry, Desperate Dan, you've got it backwards.  That's how jews and
liberals "prove" how dangerous us Natsees are, by provoking us, and then
whining when we respond.

As for bringing up old quotes, you guys do quite well when it comes to
digging up Hitler's "anti-semitism" in _Mein Kampf_.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Dec 30 09:47:40 PST 1995
Article: 18078 of alt.revisionism
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Movin' jews! (was: It sure as hell WASN'T!)
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Frank Weltner (potato@mo.net) writes:

(snip)

Moi:
> :Y'know, reading your messages with the fact that you are probably jewish
> :sheds a whole new light on your irrationality.
> 
> How could I be "probably jewish"? Either I could be jewish or I couldn't. 

True.  But it hasn't been ascertained for certain that you ARE a jew; I'm
saying that it sounds as if you might be.
 
(snip - Frankie extolling the wonders of jewry)

> I don't care if you think I am Jewish or not. Just don't call me a nigger,
> or I'll fuck your sister.

No, you're not stupid enough to be a nigger.  Plenty dumb, but not
nigger-grade.

Les



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Dec 30 09:47:40 PST 1995
Article: 18080 of alt.revisionism
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Movin' jews! (was: It sure as hell WASN'T!)
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Ken McVay OBC (kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca) writes:
> In article , 
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>>Geez, Felix, you sure know an awful lot about what the Nazis REALLY meant,
>>when they cleaned up their society.
> 
> Boy, they certainly did!
> 
> Cleaned out all the museums in Europe,

And those museum-pieces survived the blanket destruction that the Allies
dropped on the continent of Europe.  The same cannot be said for the
artwork of "Nazi" artists like Arno Brekker, whose work was hunted down
and destroyed by American troops after the cessation of hostilities.

> cleaned out all the gold they could lay their filthy hands on,

... that had formerly been in the hands of filthy jewish usurers.

> cleaned out entire cities, and even cleaned out a fair chunk of German cities
> by assuring their destruction...

Sorry to disagree there, Kenny, but carpet-bombing German cities (including 
Dreseden, BTW) was cooked up by, among others, Prof. Frank Lindemann, a
"Czechoslovakian" advisor to Sir Winnie-the-Pooh Churchill.

> and then, like the cowards they were, either killed themselves or hid in
> Argentina with someone else's money, "cleaned out" from their own banks after
> being stolen from their victims.

-- 
     The National Alliance WebPage: http://www.natvan.com
                   Voice-mail: 1(304) 653-4600
P.O. Box 90, Hillsboro, WV 24946  U.S.A.
   Les Griswold BMOC.  e-mail: bn946@freenet.carleton.ca


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Dec 30 09:47:41 PST 1995
Article: 18081 of alt.revisionism
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Bigots at odds (was: ANOTHER whopper for you exterminationists)
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Jeffrey G. Brown (jeff_brown@pol.com) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>> Frank Weltner (potato@mo.net) writes:
>> > Hitler killed them. Period. Six million Jews. Eight million homosexuals.
>> 
>> EIGHT MILLION FAGGOTS!?!  You MUST be joking!
>> 
>> > Two million gypsies. Millions of Poles, Croats, Serbs, Slovaks,
>> > Byelorusians.
>>  
>> > The Nazis suck big time. Why would anyone want them back? 
>> 
>> Are you sure you're not a jew?
>>  
>> > In fact, much as I hate to admit it, if it came to choosing between
>> > niggers or Nazis, I'd have to choose niggers hands down. 
>> > 
>> > And I don't even like niggers. I like Nazis even less. They were low lifes.
>> 
>> Typical.  You rail against "niggers", but you seek respectability by
>> bashing "Natsees".  Pathetic.  If you're not a jew, you've missed your
>> calling.
> 
> How refreshing it is to see the bigots engaged in a snot-fight with one
> another, for a change.

Time to get those granny-glasses checked, Jeffy.  I already explained that
Frankie is a bigot, I am a racist.  And no, contrary to what Daniel Mittleman 
said, I am *NOT* an anti-semite.  I have nothing aginst the hundreds of 
millions of arabs in the Middle East (INCLUDING those Palestinians, BTW!), so 
long as they don't interfere with the destiny of the White race.  Jews do.
 In fact, they can't help it.

Les



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Dec 30 12:08:38 PST 1995
Article: 12652 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Canada's Hate-crime laws
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 (ncrccjc@ibm.net) writes:
>> 
> 
>> 
>> Bravo! Mr. Kolding!
>> 
>> George Graves
> 
> ncrccjc responds:
> While George Graves and Mr. Kolding continue to defend hate-mongers and the 
> vibrant democracy that is the USA, Canadians and other free thinkers around 
> the world will continue to hope that America will not produce any more 
> Metzgers, Macvays, and racist military types who murder Blacks. I find it 
> facinating that practically every free and democratic nation on Earth has 
> formulated legislation to deal with Hatemongers. Countrys such as Great 
> Britain, France, Austrailia, New Zealand, Belgium, Holland, Sweden, 
> Switzerland and Germany to name a few all have anti-hate laws. Maybe, just 
> maybe it's the United States that has its head buried in the 19th century?  

And maybe, just maybe, all of the "free and democratic nation[s] on Earth"
aren't such free and democratic nations after all?

Les
 




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Dec 30 14:27:47 PST 1995
Article: 21429 of can.politics
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: The WORD form the Runt Security Guard was: (Re: Blacks.......................)
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"James White" (white@nyc.pipeline.com) writes:
> On Dec 30, 1995 00:56:48 in article  Clitorises!>, 'bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)' wrote: 
>  
>>Izzat so, Jacob?  Well, why not explain it to the Immigration Department 
>>of Canada, which makes the threat of female circumcision grounds for 
>>claiming refugee status, and hence a nice taxpayer-subsidized lifestyle?  
>>Tell them that they're being hoodwinked by a bunch of "unadulterated 
>>bullshit". 
>  
> The runt security guard speaks word of wisdom again.  Get back to checking
> ID cards. 
>  
>>It really doesn't matter WHERE it came from.  Is it true or not that 
>>African women (and Muslim women) face the prospect of having large parts 
>>of their genitalia removed _sans_ anesthetic?  You apparently believe that
>>this is false. 
>  
> You should face the prospect of having the remains of what passes for a
> brain removed from your head.  Medical science could study it to understand
> runtism. 

Pretty good there, Jacob, but the point is, DOES FEMALE CIRCUMCISION OCCUR,
OR NOT?  You edited out your post where you alleged that it was
"unadulterated bullshit" to claim that it DID occur, and I told you that
you should talk to the Canadian Immigration Department about it.  And, as
we have come to expect from you, you have retreated into insults and
name-calling.

> You spammed this to: 
> can.politics,soc.culture.african,soc.culture.african.american,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.correct,alt.discrimination,alt.fan.oj-simpson 
>  
> So I am responding in kind. 

I did not "spam" anything.  I posted it to appropriate NGs.  And I'm glad
that you responded in kind, because now a larger audience can see what
kind of tool you are first-hand, instead of having to hear us talk about
you.

> James W. White 
>  
> Zu den guten Deutschen Leuten und Kultur Friede, Liebt und Verständnis.   

Les W. Griswold

For the good of White people and civilization, peace and understanding. 



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Dec 30 15:19:02 PST 1995
Article: 68775 of alt.politics.correct
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: The WORD form the Runt Security Guard was: (Re: Blacks.......................)
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"James White" (white@nyc.pipeline.com) writes:
> On Dec 30, 1995 00:56:48 in article  Clitorises!>, 'bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)' wrote: 
>  
>>Izzat so, Jacob?  Well, why not explain it to the Immigration Department 
>>of Canada, which makes the threat of female circumcision grounds for 
>>claiming refugee status, and hence a nice taxpayer-subsidized lifestyle?  
>>Tell them that they're being hoodwinked by a bunch of "unadulterated 
>>bullshit". 
>  
> The runt security guard speaks word of wisdom again.  Get back to checking
> ID cards. 
>  
>>It really doesn't matter WHERE it came from.  Is it true or not that 
>>African women (and Muslim women) face the prospect of having large parts 
>>of their genitalia removed _sans_ anesthetic?  You apparently believe that
>>this is false. 
>  
> You should face the prospect of having the remains of what passes for a
> brain removed from your head.  Medical science could study it to understand
> runtism. 

Pretty good there, Jacob, but the point is, DOES FEMALE CIRCUMCISION OCCUR,
OR NOT?  You edited out your post where you alleged that it was
"unadulterated bullshit" to claim that it DID occur, and I told you that
you should talk to the Canadian Immigration Department about it.  And, as
we have come to expect from you, you have retreated into insults and
name-calling.

> You spammed this to: 
> can.politics,soc.culture.african,soc.culture.african.american,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.correct,alt.discrimination,alt.fan.oj-simpson 
>  
> So I am responding in kind. 

I did not "spam" anything.  I posted it to appropriate NGs.  And I'm glad
that you responded in kind, because now a larger audience can see what
kind of tool you are first-hand, instead of having to hear us talk about
you.

> James W. White 
>  
> Zu den guten Deutschen Leuten und Kultur Friede, Liebt und Verständnis.   

Les W. Griswold

For the good of White people and civilization, peace and understanding. 



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Dec 31 00:09:44 PST 1995
Article: 9585 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Death threats & anti-Slavic bigotry from phony "German" Jimmy Weiss
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Milton Kleim (bb748@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
> Got this pleasant communique from our friend Jimmy Weiss, the Jew posing
> as a German (and Kaltenbrunner's grandson, even!), who claims to be posting
> from Germany, on a New York City-based server:
> 
> Take especial note of the "title" he gave himself (I'm REALLLY scared, but
> we should never fail to address the threats of the "lovers" and "anti-
> racists"):
> 
> 
> From white@pipeline.com  Sat Dec 30 09:03:11 1995
> Received: from mail.nyc.pipeline.com (mail.nyc.pipeline.com [198.80.32.13]) by freenet.carleton.ca (8.6.12/8.6.4) with ESMTP id JAA06466 for ; Sat, 30 Dec 1995 09:03:10 -0500
> Received: from pipe11.nyc.pipeline.com (root@pipe11.nyc.pipeline.com [198.80.32.51]) by mail.nyc.pipeline.com (8.6.12/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA12142 for ; Sat, 30 Dec 1995 09:03:07 -0500
> Received: (white@localhost) by pipe11.nyc.pipeline.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id IAA00221; Sat, 30 Dec 1995 08:51:16 -0500
> Date: Sat, 30 Dec 1995 08:51:16 -0500
> Message-Id: <199512301351.IAA00221@pipe11.nyc.pipeline.com>
> To: bb748@freenet.carleton.ca
> Subject: Re: Who Writes the Agenda for this NG was: (Re: Two New York Massacres)
> From: white@pipeline.com (James W. White)
>  
>>Then provide your TELNET capable German server's address, unless you are 
>>indeed lying, and are truly posting from Jew York.  I really think you're 
>>Jew named Weiss who pretends to be German. 
>  
> You are nothing but stupid Slavic Untermenschen.  You should be banished
> from every civilized country.  You have the mentality of a Chimpanzee and
> you pretend to be some Aryan superman.  You have not the mental ability of
> the people you put down.  What are your achievements in life?  Name one
> patent you hold?  What is your basis for claiming superiority over anyone? 
> All you do is cower on the net and send out hate mail and literature which
> you peddle for money.  You are nothing and you came from nothing and you
> will never be anything.  A National Socialist revolution will not be
> brought about by idiots and morons like yourself. 
>  
> As for my German credentials, my grandfather was SS Obergruppenfuhrer Ernst
> Kaltenbrunner, chief of the Gestapo from 01.31.1943 till the end of the war
> in Europe.  Not only am I Aryan but I was bred to be Aryan. 
>  
>>The English speaking world, as well as Russia, Spain, the South American 
>>countries, etc. 
>  
> But not for long.  Then where will you go because we are going to get your
> American citizenship revoked?  We have a complete dossier on you.  We also
> have a complete list of all your aliases. 
>  
> -- 
>  
> James W. White 
>  
> The Seven Teutonic Knights Organization   
> High Executioner  
>  
> --
> "The fate of every last White man, woman, and child on this planet lies
> squarely on the shoulders of us here today.  Out of all the White
> racialist organizations in the Nation, the [National] Alliance, and only
> the Alliance has the potential to bring us to victory!"  -- Bob Mathews

Jacob Weiss is a lot of hot air, nothing else.  He tried the "we'll get
your Canadian citizenship revoked!" bit with me, and then backed off big
time, muttering something about doing everything legal to get me off the
'Net, or something.  He's an ass.

For some fun, though, we should ask him to list some of your "pseudonyms"
that they claim to have in their "file" on you.  Jacob's Seven Moronic
Kinghts Organization has exactly ONE member--him.

Les



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Dec 31 00:09:45 PST 1995
Article: 9586 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Can you read? (was: Why so many blacks???)
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Phillip50 (phillip50@aol.com) writes:
> This newsgroup is called WHITE SUPREMACY.  Why are there so many postings
> by blacks on it?

No, this newsgroup is called alt.politics.nationalism.white.  As to why
there are so many niggers posting here, well, it's part of their
psychology.  They LIKE being around Whites, although I can't understand
why - it constantly reminds them of their backwardness.  Oh well.  Another
reason is, they've almost certainly turned their OWN NGs into dumps, just
like every nigger-run country in Africa is, so they came over here.

Les



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Dec 31 00:09:46 PST 1995
Article: 9588 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: The WORD form the Runt Security Guard was: (Re: Blacks.......................)
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"James White" (white@nyc.pipeline.com) writes:
> On Dec 30, 1995 00:56:48 in article  Clitorises!>, 'bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)' wrote: 
>  
>>Izzat so, Jacob?  Well, why not explain it to the Immigration Department 
>>of Canada, which makes the threat of female circumcision grounds for 
>>claiming refugee status, and hence a nice taxpayer-subsidized lifestyle?  
>>Tell them that they're being hoodwinked by a bunch of "unadulterated 
>>bullshit". 
>  
> The runt security guard speaks word of wisdom again.  Get back to checking
> ID cards. 
>  
>>It really doesn't matter WHERE it came from.  Is it true or not that 
>>African women (and Muslim women) face the prospect of having large parts 
>>of their genitalia removed _sans_ anesthetic?  You apparently believe that
>>this is false. 
>  
> You should face the prospect of having the remains of what passes for a
> brain removed from your head.  Medical science could study it to understand
> runtism. 

Pretty good there, Jacob, but the point is, DOES FEMALE CIRCUMCISION OCCUR,
OR NOT?  You edited out your post where you alleged that it was
"unadulterated bullshit" to claim that it DID occur, and I told you that
you should talk to the Canadian Immigration Department about it.  And, as
we have come to expect from you, you have retreated into insults and
name-calling.

> You spammed this to: 
> can.politics,soc.culture.african,soc.culture.african.american,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.correct,alt.discrimination,alt.fan.oj-simpson 
>  
> So I am responding in kind. 

I did not "spam" anything.  I posted it to appropriate NGs.  And I'm glad
that you responded in kind, because now a larger audience can see what
kind of tool you are first-hand, instead of having to hear us talk about
you.

> James W. White 
>  
> Zu den guten Deutschen Leuten und Kultur Friede, Liebt und Verständnis.   

Les W. Griswold

For the good of White people and civilization, peace and understanding. 



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Dec 31 00:24:46 PST 1995
Article: 12776 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Another idiot here to joust... (was: If Hitler didn't kill the Jews, where did they go? 
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Caesar (Caesar@augur.demon.co.uk) writes:
> Many on this ng think that Hitler did not kill Jews during WWII.

Show us WHERE ANYONE said that Hitler did not kill jews during WWII, which
implies that someone has said that Hitler killed NO jews during WWII.
 
> If he didn't, how did 6 million Jews disappear during the course of the
> war?

*sigh*

That's assuming that 6 million jews even disappeared in the first place. 
THAT'S the point of contention, more than anything else.

> They must have been killed, because they disappeared without trace.

Really?  Shoddy record-keeping wouldn't do that (ie, let people disappear
without a trace?)  Remember, bucko, there was a WAR going on.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Dec 31 00:24:46 PST 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: White supremacy?
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Caesar (Caesar@augur.demon.co.uk) writes:
> If the white race is "supreme" and all other races and "inferior",
> how come the Japanese have got a stronger economy, are
> better educated  and have a better standard
> of living than most white nations?

Simple.  Because the Japanese are copying the technology of the Whites
(most technological innovations are White, despite what negrophiles and
sinophiles may tell you), and at the same time they practice a harsh,
exclusionary form of racism.  Japan is for Japanese, as far as they are
concerned.

Les





From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Dec 31 08:53:56 PST 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Get a grip, McOyVay... (was: Griswold quotes other racists...)
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Ken McVay OBC (kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca) writes:
> In article <4brl2c$8os@access5.digex.net>, 
> mstein@access5.digex.net (Michael P. Stein) wrote:
> 
> [Griswold vomits]
> 
>>>> 2)  Who CARES if Hitler killed six million jews, or sixty million?  He
>>>> identified the problem facing post-WWI Germany, and took decisive action
>>>> to protect HIS people.
> 
> [ncrccjc points out]
> 
>>>This man really wants "Racist of the Year" very, very badly.
> 
>>    Hmn.  I think we may have to disqualify this one, though, on the 
>>grounds that above line was plagiarized.  As I recall Milt Kleim said 
>>some time ago that he didn't believe Hitler killed six million Jews, but 
>>he still would have admired him if he had killed sixty million.  What 
>>Griswold wrote above is close enough that I'm very suspicious of it.
> 
> Hell, Jason Smith, a neighbor of Mr. Griswold's, said last
> year: "Whether six million died or not I do not care. If they
> did, that's six million less to deal with in the future." I
> think Mr. Griswold, finding his mind an impossible place for
> the creation of original thought, simply copied Mr. Smith.
> 
> Smith: "Schoedel's closing fast and gaining massive support,
> Les, you'd better do something!"
> 
> Griswold: "Er, ah, er, I could use the n-word twice in the
> same sentence..."
> 
> Smith: "I've got it! Use my old 'Six Million' quote! That'll
> rock'em to their roots... lemme see if I can remember it...
> ah..er..ah... it must be in McOyVay's archives! Look it up
> there and ...."
> 
> Griswold: "Great! I'll crank up my rigii and....."

Pathetic.  You have to plagiarize a point made by Mikey Stein.  What's the
matter?  Working 16 hours a day on your rinky-dink little Nizkor project
is sapping your mind?  You're so used to repeating whatever any jew says,
that you can't help it?
-- 
     The National Alliance WebPage: http://www.natvan.com
                   Voice-mail: 1(304) 653-4600
P.O. Box 90, Hillsboro, WV 24946  U.S.A.
   Les Griswold BMOC.  e-mail: bn946@freenet.carleton.ca


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Dec 31 08:53:56 PST 1995
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Mark Van Alstine (mvanalst@rbi.com) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>> Sara aka Perrrfect (schwartz@infinet.com) writes:

>> > Pick up a copy of Tikkun. You'll read articles by Zionists, anti-Zionists,
>> > and every spot on the spectrum.
>> 
>> And...?  Tell me, which jews like Hitler?
> 
> Les, what _sane_ person "likes" Hitler? 

I, for one.  But perhaps I should have said "which jews have an objective
opinion of Hitler", instead of "like".  BTW, the implication that liking
Hitler = insanity is pretty darn close to name-calling.
 
>> > So who is this "Jew" who gives out information that brainwashes the
>> > non-Jews? Can you identify him/her by name? 
>> >  
>> > By the way, no Jew *I* know is interested in World Domination. You folks
>> > got yourselves in the mess you're in all by yourselves. Why should WE want
>> > to have to clean it up?
>> 
>> Jews don't want to clean anything up.  They like the mess we're in just
>> fine.  It allows them to harness us, as they promise relief from the
>> stress of day-to-day living.
> 
> Oh my, Les is stressed! Pity. I would say that it is your twisted
> world-view that gives you such heartburn not anything the Jews have done.
> I would imagine consistantly being dismissed as a petty racist and
> anti-Semitic crackpot, who fabricates "facts" out of whole cloth and is
> ridiculed for it, would wear on the nerves... 

No, I just don't like jews much.  Neither does anyone who knows much about
them, although some might PRETEND to, for selfish reasons.

Les




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Harry "Cool" Katz (hkatz@earth.usa.net) writes:
> In article ,
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) whines:
> 
> 	Who CARES if Hitler killed six million jews, or sixty million?
> 
> Mr. Griswold himself, for starters!  If he did not care, why does he
> spend so much time denying it?

Yes, I just spend SO MUCH time engrossed in the hollow-cause, don't I?

> 	He identified the problem facing post-WWI Germany,...
> 
> Rather, he mis-identified the problem.
> 
> 	...and took decisive action to protect HIS people.
> 
> And when the dust finally settled millions of Germans, not to mention
> other Europeans, were buried.  With "protection" like this, the
> German people did not need any enemies, internal nor external.

Hey, CLOC, I think we need a new category special for Harry Katz:  jew
without a clue.

Les




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Harry "Cool"Katz (hkatz@earth.usa.net) writes:
> In article <30E133EC.5337@aimnet.com>,
> George Graves (gmgraves@aimnet.com) whines:

(snip)

> But notice that Mr. Graves glosses over the fact that peaceful
> political dissent in Nazi Germany meant death.  Seems that a little
> brutality is all right in politics, according to MR. Graves, as long
> as the victims were "very few" in number!

... or Communists, criminals, moral degenerates.

Les



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Subject: Re: What Hitler did and didn't write (was: Kleim the Kook and
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Y Reichsfeld (YREICHSF@MECHANICAL.uwaterloo.ca) writes:
> In article ,
>    bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>
>>Mark Van Alstine (mvanalst@rbi.com) writes:
>>
>>(snip)
>>
>>M.V.A.:
>>>> > The quote is indeed there (1939 edition, London, page 60), as I have 
> posted.
>>
>>Moi: 
>>>> That's the sort of thing you semitophiles like:  quibbling over small,
>>>> unimportant points, to divert the topic from anything important and
>>>> harmful to jews. (because it tells the truth about them).
>>> 
>>> Or maybe it is because anti-Semites and Naziphiles have need to misquote
>>> and fabricate things, to obscure historical accuracy, in their desperate
>>> need to "support" their stupid and fallacious little "arguments?"
>>
>>Indeed.  So WHEN have I, or anyone else, DENIED what Hitler wrote?  The
>>point that should be addressed, whether Hitler wrote it or not (he did)
>>is, IS IT TRUE?
>>
>>(the quote under discussion, for those of you who haven't followed this 
>>message string too closely, is that Hitler observed that every sort of 
>>corruption invariably had a jew at the center.)

> Yes, thank you for reminding us of the gospel according to Hitler, you 
> obviously believe that it is true, we do not, and if I look at the most recent 
> corruption cases in the US and Canada the people involved are very white and 
> very non jewish, how does that fit into the above mentioned theory.

Call me paranoid, but I have a feeling that none of the liberals are going
to ask you for names, sources, or anything like that.  Never mind.  I will.

> Ah, yes I see the jews are playing the strings from behind the scenes right?

Essentially.

> Sounds a lot like something out of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion which
> have been prooven to be false over eighty years ago,

1)  Proven by whom?

2)  Don't blame me.  As I explained previously, I was aware of jews and a
jewish conspiracy LONG before I read the Protocols... long before I even
knew of their existance, in fact.

> ... Ah, one last thing, Hitler was a great believer in social darwinism, if
> that concept is applied to our recent history then it is rather obvious who
> prevailed isn't it?

... and as I have ALSO pointed out to another weepy liberal, a sneak-thief
is NOT superior to the hard worker he steals from, idiot.  Nor is a mugger.  
Or, to put it another way, are ten niggers surrounding a White woman all of a 
sudden superior to her because they can assault her?

Les




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Gord McFee (gmcfee@ibm.net) writes:
> In , bn946@freenet.carleton.ca said:
> 
>>No, sorry, Desperate Dan, you've got it backwards.  That's how jews and
>>liberals "prove" how dangerous us Natsees are, by provoking us, and then
>>whining when we respond.
> 
>>As for bringing up old quotes, you guys do quite well when it comes to
>>digging up Hitler's "anti-semitism" in _Mein Kampf_.
> 
> So sorry, bonehead.  They are soooo...... easy to find.

That's because, McFly, Hitler has not been able to benefit from a conspiracy to 
keep his words hidden, like the jews have.

Les
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   




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Subject: Re: More Treason from Kleim
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Alexander Baron (A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk) writes:
> In article <4c1lvu$66c@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:
> 
>> >   bb748@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Milton Kleim) continues to advocate treason:
>> >
>> >  
>> >  >>  As for your statement about the National Alliance "planning" to ex-
>> >  >>  terminate the Jews, I challenge you to cite ANY official document or
>> >  >>  work from the National Alliance National Office, the only agency that has> >  >>  the authority to make National Alliance policy, that advocates the
>> >  >>  extermination of the Jews as official National Alliance policy.
>> >  
>> >  >>  Either cite such an example, or retract your allegation.
> 
> I really do hate to say anything Yale agrees with but unlike him I am totally
> non-partisan. William Pierce once published an article in which he said that
> although the Holocaust hadn't happened (Exterminationist fashion), that no
> one should condemn the Germans if they had indeed exterminated the Jews, and
> that the world would have been better off with no survivors.

You are correct, I have that article in a coffee-table-sized book, _The
Best of Attack and National Vanguard Tabloid, 1970-1982_.  However, I have a
question:

How does his statement about the hollow-cause (ie, that it didn't happen, and 
the Germans are not to be condemened even if it did) translate into "We'll kill 
the jews when we get power!"?

>>         1.  Rushdie did not hate Islam nor did his book advocate such hate.
>> "The Turner Diaries" (and I did read it) was written by a bigot and advocates
>> the murder of Blacks and Jews for no other reason than that they are Blacks
>> and Jews.
> 
> The Turner Diaries is the sort of thing an ADL stooge would write since it
> conforms to the steroetype of how a certain type of Jew thinks all race-conscious
> whites should behave. No one with half a brain would do anything but condemn
> such a book. 

No, anyone with half a brain should READ it, to see if it really says what
the professional wailers say it does.  It doesn't, BTW.

Les

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Mark Van Alstine (mvanalst@rbi.com) writes:
> In article , bb748@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Milton Kleim) wrote:
> 
>> _The Turner Diaries_ is one of the most eye-opening books for Aryans in 
>> the history of the world.  Anyone serious about securing our heritage 
>> MUST read it.  Certainly no one is saying we should emulate the 
>> activities of the characters in the work, but the messages contained in an 
>> "exciting" package allow the book to convey the messages much more 
>> clearly and effectively.  
> 
> It certainly is an "eye-opening book." Shows what a bunch rabid loons
> Aryans really are! Just like _Mein Kampf_ showed what a maniac Htler was.
> You certainly run with a diseased pack, Kleim. Hope you've had your
> shots.  

Have you read it?  No?  Then shut your cake-hole.
 
>> >No one with half a brain would do anything but condemn such a book.
>> 
>> Oh, yes!  We must condemn any book in which the White guys win.
> 
> No, it is condemmed because it is sick and perverted. Like you. 

Have you read it?  No?  Then shut your cake-hole.

_The Turner Diaries_ is a LOT more wholesome than 99% of the books on the
shelves today.

>> "The fate of every last White man, woman, and child on this planet lies
>> squarely on the shoulders of us here today.  Out of all the White
>> racialist organizations in the Nation, the [National] Alliance, and only
>> the Alliance has the potential to bring us to victory!"  -- Bob Mathews
> 
> Bob Matthews? Figures that Kleim would use, as a sig for his posts, a
> quote from a mudering bank robber and all-around scum with an racist hair
> up his ass. 

Really, Mark.  Even YOU should know better.  Making a claim like that, you
should know that you'd get called on it.  So how many people did Bob Mathews 
murder?  I'll help you out - not a one.

Les






From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Dec 31 09:18:43 PST 1995
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: What Hitler did and didn't write (was: Kleim the Kook and
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Messiah of the neoKooks)
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Y Reichsfeld (YREICHSF@MECHANICAL.uwaterloo.ca) writes:
> In article ,
>    bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>
>>Mark Van Alstine (mvanalst@rbi.com) writes:
>>
>>(snip)
>>
>>M.V.A.:
>>>> > The quote is indeed there (1939 edition, London, page 60), as I have 
> posted.
>>
>>Moi: 
>>>> That's the sort of thing you semitophiles like:  quibbling over small,
>>>> unimportant points, to divert the topic from anything important and
>>>> harmful to jews. (because it tells the truth about them).
>>> 
>>> Or maybe it is because anti-Semites and Naziphiles have need to misquote
>>> and fabricate things, to obscure historical accuracy, in their desperate
>>> need to "support" their stupid and fallacious little "arguments?"
>>
>>Indeed.  So WHEN have I, or anyone else, DENIED what Hitler wrote?  The
>>point that should be addressed, whether Hitler wrote it or not (he did)
>>is, IS IT TRUE?
>>
>>(the quote under discussion, for those of you who haven't followed this 
>>message string too closely, is that Hitler observed that every sort of 
>>corruption invariably had a jew at the center.)

> Yes, thank you for reminding us of the gospel according to Hitler, you 
> obviously believe that it is true, we do not, and if I look at the most recent 
> corruption cases in the US and Canada the people involved are very white and 
> very non jewish, how does that fit into the above mentioned theory.

Call me paranoid, but I have a feeling that none of the liberals are going
to ask you for names, sources, or anything like that.  Never mind.  I will.

> Ah, yes I see the jews are playing the strings from behind the scenes right?

Essentially.

> Sounds a lot like something out of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion which
> have been prooven to be false over eighty years ago,

1)  Proven by whom?

2)  Don't blame me.  As I explained previously, I was aware of jews and a
jewish conspiracy LONG before I read the Protocols... long before I even
knew of their existance, in fact.

> ... Ah, one last thing, Hitler was a great believer in social darwinism, if
> that concept is applied to our recent history then it is rather obvious who
> prevailed isn't it?

... and as I have ALSO pointed out to another weepy liberal, a sneak-thief
is NOT superior to the hard worker he steals from, idiot.  Nor is a mugger.  
Or, to put it another way, are ten niggers surrounding a White woman all of a 
sudden superior to her because they can assault her?

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Dec 31 09:18:44 PST 1995
Article: 9698 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Nairobi's decline: Is it Racial?
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Abdrool Kama (akama@ucla.edu) writes:
> Lionell Griffith  wrote:
>>frank forman wrote:
>>> 
>>> orion38 (Orion38@cris.com) wrote:
>>> 
>>> : The following article raises a question about the capability of black
>>> : African states to maintain modern civilization. Unlike Japan and Far
>>> : Eastern countries which were also colonized by the West, African countries
>>> : have failed to adequately maintain the infrastructure necessary for modern
>>> : Western society. The question that we must not duck is, Is it racial?
>>> : Because if it is purely cultural, then why have cultures as diverse as
>>> : Singapore, Japan, and Hong Kong been able to prosper, while those as diverse
>>> : as Cairo, Mogadishu, Lagos, and Port Au Prince have not?

> The reason is both historic, political and economic.  Historically, Africa
> has never had the strategic importance places like Japan or Korea ( Hong Kong
> being a british territory, it is irrelevant to our discussion here) had. 

Oh, give it a rest, you ignorant gum-flapping tree-swinger.  Africa has
mineral wealth, the greatest in the world.  Japan and Korea DON'T.  As
long as the White Western nations maintained colonies in Africa, Africans
did all right.  When they left, due to misplaced philanthropy or guilt,
Africa collapsed.  The same thing can be said of India.

(snip - the rest of Abdrool's off-target fantasizing deleted, because it's
just a bunch of nonsensical gum-beating that tries to use economics and
politics to excuse negro incapability)

Les


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Dec 31 10:09:17 PST 1995
Article: 12885 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Japs and compensation
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 (mebesius@sfu.ca) writes:
> Somebody "out there" seems to think Japanese Canadians got $10,000 each, 
> for compensation, for the Canadian hospitality they enjoyed during the
> Second World War.  Wrong!  In 1986, it was estimated that it would cost
> Canadian taxpayers (most who were not around during the war, and had
> nothing to do with the internment of Japanese-Canadians) about $100 million.
> But by 1990, it was revealed that it would cost over $346 million 
> (_Vancouver Sun_, March 16, 1990, B3) and every Japanese "victim" would get
> a $21,000 cheque (_Vancouver Sun_, March 3, 1989, A3).

That was me with the $10,000 figure.  Watch the stunning silence from the
liberals on this one.

> As for why Japan is doing better than multicultural Canada and the melting
> pot States, I think it has to something with the fact that Japanese have
> benefited from (1) stupid Americans who buy Jap crap (cars, TVs, VCRs, etc.),
> and (2) Japan is one of the most racially-homogeneous nations in the world
> (with no parasite Jews).

And that drives the jews just batty.  The "American" trade negotiators in
Japan (led by that "American", Mickey Kantor):  what's their purpose,
really?  To show those uppity Japs who's boss?  That their (the Japs') racial
homogeneity will no longer be tolerated?
 
> If the States was as racially-homogeneous and as racially-conscious as the
> Japs, its future would look just as bright--instead of the bleak reality
> it is now faced with.

No, the future of the U.S. would be far brighter than that of Japan.

Les
 




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Dec 31 10:09:18 PST 1995
Article: 12888 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: whats wrong with jews?
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Rob "Yes dear, anything you say dear" Kowalewski (robk@rio.com) writes:
> In article <4brjbc$3lp@news.duke.edu>, Rob Carscadden
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> Jews are so stupid that they've got this whole conspiracy working against 
>> the smarter white people. OK. They have ZOG and control the banking world 
>> and the Entertainment world. OK. They pull all the strings in the world 
>> but they're stupid. OK. 
>> 
>> I guess the white power buttheads can have their cake an deat it too. 
>> (unless the cake is part of the conspiracy)
>> 
>> How is this possible? If the white power knuckleheads are so smart why 
>> are the oppressed by the jews, which are dumber. hmmmmmmmm...
> 
> Lester's response to this question, when asked awhile back (by me, among
> others), goes something like:
> 
> *Weeeelllll, the superior, and much more smarter whites, went and handed
> over the levers of society to da Joooooos*.

Yes, I did.  But I also said that the Whites did this because they had an
incorrect grasp of judaism, regarding it to be just a religion, when it
damn well wasn't.  Had they correctly identified the jews as a RACE and
not a RELIGION, this would have been prevented.

I really wish that you would put up my whole argument, rather than just
paraphrasing me, and getting it wrong.

> Others can verify that particular rap.

Ditto.
 
Les



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Jan  1 00:29:19 PST 1996
Article: 18272 of alt.revisionism
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: McFly... er, McFee = clueless (was: War-like jews stumping for hate-Hitlerism) 
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Gord McFee (gmcfee@ibm.net) writes:
> In , bn946@freenet.carleton.ca said:

(snip - wrangling over Hitler saying in _Mein Kampf_ that at the centre of
everything corrupt, was a jew)

>>That's because, McFly, Hitler has not been able to benefit from a
>>conspiracy to keep his words hidden, like the jews have.
> 
> By the way, I notice you call both Mr. McVay and me "McFly".  Do we look
> that much alike?

No.  It's like this.  Rev. Ron calls McOyVay "McFly".  _I_ call you McFly.
 Keep it straight, you stupid shabbas goy.

Les

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