Newsgroups: soc.culture.german Subject: Goldhagen Summary: Expires: References: <email@example.com> <9608231636.AA59242@fitz.eng.intercon.com> <firstname.lastname@example.org> <email@example.com> Sender: Followup-To: Distribution: Organization: The Nizkor Project Keywords: Cc: In article <firstname.lastname@example.org>, email@example.com (Scott Erb) wrote: [snip] >> - goldhagen is "not entirely" another hitler (but the audience >>is expected to understand the hint) >I gotta see the original post for this. What is the hint anyway? In her http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/h/henderson.sharon/1996/henderson.0896 [snip] [regarding members of police bn. 101 declining to participate] >You lost me here. First, is it a lie? Did anyone accept the offer? Where >can I find evidence? Second, it seems that by making that statement, she in >fact makes it clear that Germans can refuse to kill Jews. She seems to be >admitting that point which you make. Regarding Bn. 101, see Goldhagen, p. 214 (offer of avoidance of participation made, some accepted) 252 (Grafmann), 253 (transfer offers), 255 Buchmann and one other) Examples: "Trapp's request [that his policemen request they be left out of the killing action pending] was not intended as a trap. It did not require much courage to step forward. I did not hear that only older men could step forward. Younger ones also stepped forward. Everyone must have head..." (214) "One squad leader, Sergeant Ernst Hergert, reports that within his platoon two to five men asked to be exempted from the killing after these men had already begun, because they found it too burdensome to shoot women and children. The men were excused by him or by their lieutenant and given either guard or transport duties for the duration of the killing." (220) "A particularly noteworthy refusal to kill was that of one of the battalion's offiers, Lieutenant Heinz Buchmann. Beginning with the killing in Jozefow and in subsequent killings, he avoided participating directly in the executions, having managed to get himself assigned to other duties. ...Everyone in the battalion knew that this lieutenant avoided killing duty. His wish not to participate in the killings was so accepted in the hierarchy of command that his company commander circumvented him when killing operations were at hand, and gave orders directly to the lieutenant's subordinates." (220) Other examples abound, but you can get the drift. The men could opt out with absolutely no fear of reprisal, and they clearly knew it.
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