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In this article, Matt Giwer explains why he has posted so much material
that is devoid on content (consisting only of cut'n'paste copies of
previous postings).

His reasoning is that, since Daniel Keren ( has a
four-line sig that mentions him, he is entitled to respond with
_nothing_ except quoted material and a large, unrelated cut'n'paste job.

Over the last four days or so, I've collected over 150K of examples
where Giwer has done exactly this, archived at:

- Jamie McCarthy (, June 21st, 1996

Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: MATT GIWER REPORT for Jun 10-13: 21.1% / 26.1%
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 00:53:40 GMT
Organization: images incarnate
Lines: 75
Message-ID: <4qcru6$>
References: <4q9apb$> <4qc06s$> 
X-NETCOM-Date: Thu Jun 20  7:55:34 PM CDT 1996
X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 (Daniel Keren) wrote:

> (DvdThomas) writes:

># Ah, statistics!
># It might also be interesting to see an analysis of the number
># of incidents of Ken McVay and Dan Keren repeatedly posting the same
># archival quotes, and how many of these produced no thread, not even
># one response.

>I never posted dozens of copies of the same article in the same day,
>as Giwer did and continues to do. I never replied to numerous 
>articles on the same day, simply by quoting them and appending
>the same article over and over again, dozens of times.

        I use the articles as sigs.  Is that a crime now?  Note that most of
them are shorter than the mantra you folks delight in using.  

        I further note that messages whose sole content is an attack on me will
be responded to with attacks upon the credibilitity of your holocaust.
The manner in which I choose to attack is by appending the stories I am
using as sigs.  

        Now where were you when the mantra was being repeated a hundred times a
day?   Where are you now when there are dozens of threads that consist
of nothing but attacks upon me?  

        And just what is it that you are objecting to really?  

        Don't tell me.  I know.  I do not believe as you do.  

># Propagandizing of a base sort is done by repeating the same
># material over, and over, and over, and over, until it burns into
># consciousness by default.  (Graber made me do it!!)

>It is typical of "revisionists" to confuse third-rate "cynicism"
>for intelligence. You're no exception. BTW, it's Grabner, not Graber,
>which may prove that for small minds all the repetition in the
>world is not enough. 

        Someone must be making you do it.  To do so on your own would mean you
have to believe it is contributing something to the discussion.  

>-Danny Keren.

        Now you see, here is an example of an attack.

>In Message-ID: <4n0ik8$>, Matt Giwer
>suggested that documents about a "gas chamber" and "gassing cellar"
>in the Birkenau crematoriums didn't count, as they were really due
>to "a morbid sense of humor" of the SS men who authored the documents.

        And my response is 

Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Ooooo, those nasty SS
From: (Matt Giwer)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 21:53:37 GMT

" The SS forced [women] to wash the stairs leading from the seven
entrances to the four-story
house, with their tongues and lips. After those stairways were wased,
the same people were
forced to collect garbage in the courtyard with their lips. All garbage
had to be transferred to one
place in the courtyard. "
IMT VII - p.491. 

        See how it goes?

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