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From gmcfee@ibm.net Mon Jul  1 09:08:37 PDT 1996
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From: gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: MATT GIWER REPORT for Jun 1-9: 12.7% / 18.3%
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In article <4qkfa1$l4k@Networking.Stanford.EDU>, rich@c2.org (Rich Graves)
said:


>Note that Milton kleim has departed, calling his former skinhead
>colleagues a bunch of morons. Myshkin's commitment to the case of
>stupidity is extraordinary. Not quite up to the level of a Gannon or a
>H*ber, but extraordinary nonetheless. 

His commitment to the cause of stupidity is extraordinary indeed, and he
comes well equipped to fight the fight of stupidity.


--
Gord McFee



.. I'll write no line before its time(gmcfee@ibm.net)
-- MR/2 2.26 #331

                                                                                            


From jamie@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca Mon Jul  1 09:08:39 PDT 1996
Article: 47312 of alt.revisionism
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From: jamie@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Jamie McCarthy)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,news.admin.net-abuse.misc
Subject: MATT GIWER REPORT FOR JUN 26-27: 22% / 26.1%
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   "...we may be able to firmly re-establish this as a conference on
    revisionism.  That is, make it useless to the hijackers."
                                      - Matt Giwer, June 21, 1996

Matt Giwer has singlehandedly taken over alt.revisionism.  With trolls,
with insults, with straight-lines, with idiocy, with three-word
responses, with lies, and even with an occasional worthwhile point,
he has buried the signal under an avalanche of noise.

Nizkor wishes, and others wish, to be able to confront "revisionist"
claims.  Giwer's aim is to make that impossible.

This automated posting script keeps track of Giwer's posting volume
and thus his success in monopolizing the group.

Here are the statistics for  June 26th and 27th:

  Total number of articles posted: 287

         Articles from Matt Giwer: 63 (22%)
        Articles mentioning Giwer: 75 (26.1%)

      Articles per day from Giwer: 31.5
Articles per day mentioning Giwer: 37.5

Here is a graphical representation of posts from Giwer and posts
mentioning Giwer for these days.  Each "F" represents one article
>from  Giwer;  each "m" represents one additional article with the
string "giwer" somewhere in its header or body.

Jun 27: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFmmmmmm
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For comparison, here is the graph for the previous seven days:

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It is technically possible to cut off Matt Giwer from this group.
However, it would not be morally proper, since he is not conducting
malicious forgeries, (what is usually known as) spamming, or any other
activities which would warrant an infringement on his freedom of speech.
All we can do is ignore him, and hope he gets bored and goes away.

NIZKOR URGES ALL ALT.REVISIONISM READERS TO COMPLETELY IGNORE HIM.

To ignore him most effectively, use a KILL file on your news reader:
http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/g/giwer.matt/killfile

For more information about Matt Giwer, see:
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In the interest of full disclosure, the script is available at:
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From mgiwer@ix.netcom.com Mon Jul  1 11:44:55 PDT 1996
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From: mgiwer@ix.netcom.com
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,news.admin.net-abuse.misc
Subject: Re: MATT GIWER REPORT for Jun 10-13: 21.1% / 26.1%
Date: Mon, 01 Jul 1996 01:27:25 GMT
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========
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Ooooo, those nasty SS
From: mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt Giwer)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 21:53:37 GMT


" The SS forced [women] to wash the stairs leading from the seven
entrances to the four-story house, with their tongues and lips. After
those stairways were wased, the same people were forced to collect
garbage in the courtyard with their lips. All garbage had to be
transferred to one place in the courtyard. "

IMT VII - p.491. 



gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) wrote:

>In article <4qo4e0$m12@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com>, mgiwer@ix.netcom.com said:

>>
>>gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) wrote:

>[referring to gutless Giwer]

>>>He's just lying as usual.

>Oops--away he runs again.

>>========
>>Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
>>Subject: Another gas chamber
>>From: mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt Giwer)
>>Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 21:52:14 GMT

>>	Guess what?  I found a gas chamber in the old Reich.  I have also found
>>powdered cyanide.  

>>"Inside the showerbath [ at Dachau]- the gas vents. On the ceiling- the
>>dummy shower heads. In
>>the engineers' room- the intake and outlet pipes. Push buttons to control
>>inflow and outtake of
>>gas. A hand-valve to regulate pressure. Cyanide powder was used to
>>generate the lethal smoke.
>>From the gas chamber, the bodies were removed to the crematory. " IMT XXX
>>- p.470. 

>>	Amazing what you can find if you look around.  

>>	And holohuggers are going to believe it.  

>Mr. Giwer is, as far as I can determine, an obscene and pathetic troller
>whose only interest is in causing fights.  His usual modus operandi when
>being flayed in a discussion is to ignore the statement completely and post
>irrelevant drivel he cobbled somewhere, or to descend to the gutters of
>obscenity or indecency, or both.  The preceeding quote is an example of this
>and makes it obvious that rational discourse with him is not only not
>possible, it is feared by him.  

>For more detailed and documented evidence of this, please refer to 

>URL http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/g/giwer.matt

>                 

>--
>Gord McFee



>.. I'll write no line before its time(gmcfee@ibm.net)
>-- MR/2 2.27 #331

>   




From mgiwer@ix.netcom.com Mon Jul  1 11:44:56 PDT 1996
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From: mgiwer@ix.netcom.com
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,news.admin.net-abuse.misc
Subject: Re: MATT GIWER REPORT for Jun 10-13: 21.1% / 26.1%
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Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Ooooo, those nasty SS
From: mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt Giwer)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 21:53:37 GMT


" The SS forced [women] to wash the stairs leading from the seven
entrances to the four-story house, with their tongues and lips. After
those stairways were wased, the same people were forced to collect
garbage in the courtyard with their lips. All garbage had to be
transferred to one place in the courtyard. "

IMT VII - p.491. 



gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) wrote:

>In article <4qo4f1$m12@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com>, mgiwer@ix.netcom.com said:

>>
>>gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) wrote:

>>>Giwer is afraid to receive e-mail from you.  He can't cope with it.

>Runs away again.  I have, as usual, defeated him.

>>========
>>Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
>>Subject: Another gas chamber
>>From: mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt Giwer)
>>Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 21:52:14 GMT

>>	Guess what?  I found a gas chamber in the old Reich.  I have also found
>>powdered cyanide.  

>>"Inside the showerbath [ at Dachau]- the gas vents. On the ceiling- the
>>dummy shower heads. In
>>the engineers' room- the intake and outlet pipes. Push buttons to control
>>inflow and outtake of
>>gas. A hand-valve to regulate pressure. Cyanide powder was used to
>>generate the lethal smoke.
>>From the gas chamber, the bodies were removed to the crematory. " IMT XXX
>>- p.470. 

>>	Amazing what you can find if you look around.  

>>	And holohuggers are going to believe it.  

>Mr. Giwer is, as far as I can determine, an obscene and pathetic troller
>whose only interest is in causing fights.  His usual modus operandi when
>being flayed in a discussion is to ignore the statement completely and post
>irrelevant drivel he cobbled somewhere, or to descend to the gutters of
>obscenity or indecency, or both.  The preceeding quote is an example of this
>and makes it obvious that rational discourse with him is not only not
>possible, it is feared by him.  

>For more detailed and documented evidence of this, please refer to 

>URL http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/g/giwer.matt



>--
>Gord McFee



>.. I'll write no line before its time(gmcfee@ibm.net)
>-- MR/2 2.27 #331

>                                                     




From t08o@unb.ca Mon Jul  1 11:44:57 PDT 1996
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From: Keith Morrison 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,news.admin.net-abuse.misc
Subject: Re: MATT GIWER REPORT for Jun 10-13: 21.1% / 26.1%
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 17:51:22 -0300
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mgiwer@ix.netcom.com wrote:
> 
> Keith Morrison  wrote:
> 
> >mgiwer@ix.netcom.com wrote:
> 
> >>         Guilt by association is just fine and you associate yourself by your sig
> >> with the conspirators.
> >>
> >>         It is difficult to absolve a person of conspiracy when he associates
> >> himself with the conspirators.
> 
> >So what does that say about you, who is associated by his position
> >with liars, frauds, criminals, and other assorted lowlife?
> 
>         This is not about the Clintons.  I have no such associations.  Or has
> someone been spreading that rumor behind my back?

Let's see, you use the same language and hold the same position
as the following group of luminaries:

Ernst Zundel, censorship hypocrite and the author of a well-researched
  document on Nazi UFOs from the South Pole.

David Irving, convicted of libel.

George Burdi, assault.

Tom Metzger, convicted of inciting a murder.

Tom Moran, proven liar.

Need I continue?  Remember, "guilt by association is just fine".
You said it.

Oh, I assume that this means that *all* Germans were responsible
for crimes committed by Nazis in WW2?  Guilt by association, no?

--
Keith Morrison
t08o@unb.ca


From t08o@unb.ca Mon Jul  1 11:59:51 PDT 1996
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From: Keith Morrison 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,news.admin.net-abuse.misc
Subject: Re: MATT GIWER REPORT for Jun 10-13: 21.1% / 26.1%
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mgiwer@ix.netcom.com wrote:
> 
> Keith Morrison  wrote:
> 
> >mgiwer@ix.netcom.com wrote:
> 
> >>         Guilt by association is just fine and you associate yourself by your sig
> >> with the conspirators.
> >>
> >>         It is difficult to absolve a person of conspiracy when he associates
> >> himself with the conspirators.
> 
> >So what does that say about you, who is associated by his position
> >with liars, frauds, criminals, and other assorted lowlife?
> 
>         This is not about the Clintons.  I have no such associations.  Or has
> someone been spreading that rumor behind my back?

Let's see, you use the same language and hold the same position
as the following group of luminaries:

Ernst Zundel, censorship hypocrite and the author of a well-researched
  document on Nazi UFOs from the South Pole.

David Irving, convicted of libel.

George Burdi, assault.

Tom Metzger, convicted of inciting a murder.

Tom Moran, proven liar.

Need I continue?  Remember, "guilt by association is just fine".
You said it.

Oh, I assume that this means that *all* Germans were responsible
for crimes committed by Nazis in WW2?  Guilt by association, no?

--
Keith Morrison
t08o@unb.ca


From schwartz@infinet.com Mon Jul  1 17:50:43 PDT 1996
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From: schwartz@infinet.com
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: MATT GIWER REPORT for Jun 1-9: 12.7% / 18.3%
Date: Mon, 01 Jul 1996 09:20:26 -0400
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In article ,
ihrgreg@kaiwan.com (Greg Raven) wrote:

> > In article <4qf1a2$h4d@access5.digex.net>
> >            mstein@access5.digex.net "Michael P. Stein" writes:
> > >     Excuse me, but I must be missing something.  Other "revisionists" have
> > > posted here - Greg Raven, Tim McCarthy, Fritz Berg, Bradley Smith, Ross
> > > Vicksell, et al.  And their claims have been addressed.  They seem to have
> > > given it up.  The only other ones currently left on any regular basis are
> > > J. F. Beaulieu, Tom Moran, Jeff Roberts, and Al Baron.
> 
> My claims were addressed? This is news to me. I have repeatedly posted a
> couple of simple questions to this newsgroup, and virtually all the
> responses were personal attacks and long digressions on matters almost
> totally unrelated to my question. The one or two "substantive" responses
> were laughably silly.
> 
> Or did someone post proof for the existence of a Nazi gas chamber when I
> wasn't looking?
> 
> -- 
> Greg Raver (ihrgreg@kaiwan.com)
       ^^^^^^
> P.O. Box 10545, Costa Mesa, CA 92627 USA
> http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg
 
Was this an error? Or did Mr. Raven accidentally commit a definition of
character?!?
 
Hehe!
 
Sara

-- 
You can't stand still on freedom's track,
if you don't go forward, you go back.
You can't "Giddy-up" by saying "Whoa"
and sitting on your status quo.
        Pins & Needles


From jamie@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca Wed Jul  3 07:38:01 PDT 1996
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From: jamie@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Jamie McCarthy)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: MATT GIWER REPORT FOR JUN 28-30: 15% / 18.1%
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   "...we may be able to firmly re-establish this as a conference on
    revisionism.  That is, make it useless to the hijackers."
                                      - Matt Giwer, June 21, 1996

Matt Giwer has singlehandedly taken over alt.revisionism.  With trolls,
with insults, with straight-lines, with idiocy, with three-word
responses, with lies, and even with an occasional worthwhile point,
he has buried the signal under an avalanche of noise.

Nizkor wishes, and others wish, to be able to confront "revisionist"
claims.  Giwer's aim is to make that impossible.

This automated posting script keeps track of Giwer's posting volume
and thus his success in monopolizing the group.

Here are the statistics for June 28th through 30th:

  Total number of articles posted: 393

         Articles from Matt Giwer: 59 (15%)
        Articles mentioning Giwer: 71 (18.1%)

      Articles per day from Giwer: 19.7
Articles per day mentioning Giwer: 23.7

Here is a graphical representation of posts from Giwer and posts
mentioning Giwer for these days.  Each "F" represents one article
>from  Giwer;  each "m" represents one additional article with the
string "giwer" somewhere in its header or body.

Jun 30: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFmmmm
Jun 29: FFFFFFFmmmmm
Jun 28: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFmmm

For comparison, here is the graph for the previous seven days:

Jun 27: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFmmmmmm
Jun 26: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFmmmmmm
Jun 25: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFmmmmmmmmm
Jun 24: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Jun 23: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Jun 22: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFmmmmmmmmmmm
Jun 21: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm


It is technically possible to cut off Matt Giwer from this group.
However, it would not be morally proper, since he is not conducting
malicious forgeries, (what is usually known as) spamming, or any other
activities which would warrant an infringement on his freedom of speech.
All we can do is ignore him, and hope he gets bored and goes away.

NIZKOR URGES ALL ALT.REVISIONISM READERS TO COMPLETELY IGNORE HIM.

To ignore him most effectively, use a KILL file on your news reader:
http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/g/giwer.matt/killfile

For more information about Matt Giwer, see:
http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/g/giwer.matt
http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/g/giwer.matt/lies
http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/g/giwer.matt/net-abuse

The EFF's "Net Abuse and 'Spamming' Archive":
http://ftp.eff.org/pub/Net_culture/Folklore/Spam/

The Net Abuse FAQ:
http://www.cybernothing.org/faqs/net-abuse-faq.html

The Cancelmoose/NoCeM web site:
http://www.cm.org/

alt.religion.scientology and "vertical spam":
http://www.bway.net/~keith/spam/spam.htm
http://daemon.apana.org.au/~fjc/scn/spam.html

The perl5 script that generates this automated posting was written by
Jamie McCarthy;  feel free to post your comments publicly or to email
them to jamie@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca.  It posts three times a week.
Once a week (each Friday) it cross-posts to news.admin.net-abuse.misc.
In the interest of full disclosure, the script is available at:
http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?miscellany/giwer-report.pl



From jamie@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca Wed Jul  3 10:06:04 PDT 1996
Article: 47947 of alt.revisionism
Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!not-for-mail
From: jamie@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Jamie McCarthy)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: MATT GIWER REPORT FOR JUN 28-30: 15% / 18.1%
Followup-To: alt.bonehead.matt-giwer,alt.revisionism
Date: 3 Jul 1996 05:09:33 -0700
Organization: The Nizkor Project, Vancouver Island, CANADA
Lines: 81
Message-ID: <4rdntt$6oj@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>
Reply-To: jamie@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca
NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.almanac.bc.ca
X-Nizkor-URL: http://www.almanac.bc.ca/
X-Giwer-URL: http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/g/giwer.matt

   "...we may be able to firmly re-establish this as a conference on
    revisionism.  That is, make it useless to the hijackers."
                                      - Matt Giwer, June 21, 1996

Matt Giwer has singlehandedly taken over alt.revisionism.  With trolls,
with insults, with straight-lines, with idiocy, with three-word
responses, with lies, and even with an occasional worthwhile point,
he has buried the signal under an avalanche of noise.

Nizkor wishes, and others wish, to be able to confront "revisionist"
claims.  Giwer's aim is to make that impossible.

This automated posting script keeps track of Giwer's posting volume
and thus his success in monopolizing the group.

Here are the statistics for June 28th through 30th:

  Total number of articles posted: 393

         Articles from Matt Giwer: 59 (15%)
        Articles mentioning Giwer: 71 (18.1%)

      Articles per day from Giwer: 19.7
Articles per day mentioning Giwer: 23.7

Here is a graphical representation of posts from Giwer and posts
mentioning Giwer for these days.  Each "F" represents one article
>from  Giwer;  each "m" represents one additional article with the
string "giwer" somewhere in its header or body.

Jun 30: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFmmmm
Jun 29: FFFFFFFmmmmm
Jun 28: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFmmm

For comparison, here is the graph for the previous seven days:

Jun 27: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFmmmmmm
Jun 26: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFmmmmmm
Jun 25: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFmmmmmmmmm
Jun 24: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Jun 23: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Jun 22: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFmmmmmmmmmmm
Jun 21: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm


It is technically possible to cut off Matt Giwer from this group.
However, it would not be morally proper, since he is not conducting
malicious forgeries, (what is usually known as) spamming, or any other
activities which would warrant an infringement on his freedom of speech.
All we can do is ignore him, and hope he gets bored and goes away.

NIZKOR URGES ALL ALT.REVISIONISM READERS TO COMPLETELY IGNORE HIM.

To ignore him most effectively, use a KILL file on your news reader:
http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/g/giwer.matt/killfile

For more information about Matt Giwer, see:
http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/g/giwer.matt
http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/g/giwer.matt/lies
http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/g/giwer.matt/net-abuse

The EFF's "Net Abuse and 'Spamming' Archive":
http://ftp.eff.org/pub/Net_culture/Folklore/Spam/

The Net Abuse FAQ:
http://www.cybernothing.org/faqs/net-abuse-faq.html

The Cancelmoose/NoCeM web site:
http://www.cm.org/

alt.religion.scientology and "vertical spam":
http://www.bway.net/~keith/spam/spam.htm
http://daemon.apana.org.au/~fjc/scn/spam.html

The perl5 script that generates this automated posting was written by
Jamie McCarthy;  feel free to post your comments publicly or to email
them to jamie@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca.  It posts three times a week.
Once a week (each Friday) it cross-posts to news.admin.net-abuse.misc.
In the interest of full disclosure, the script is available at:
http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?miscellany/giwer-report.pl



From jamie@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca Fri Jul  5 06:39:35 PDT 1996
Article: 48419 of alt.revisionism
Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!not-for-mail
From: jamie@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Jamie McCarthy)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,news.admin.net-abuse.misc
Subject: MATT GIWER REPORT FOR JUL 1-2: 18.4% / 26.3%
Followup-To: alt.bonehead.matt-giwer,alt.revisionism,news.admin.net-abuse.misc
Date: 5 Jul 1996 05:09:27 -0700
Organization: The Nizkor Project, Vancouver Island, CANADA
Lines: 80
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Reply-To: jamie@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca
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   "...we may be able to firmly re-establish this as a conference on
    revisionism.  That is, make it useless to the hijackers."
                                      - Matt Giwer, June 21, 1996

Matt Giwer has singlehandedly taken over alt.revisionism.  With trolls,
with insults, with straight-lines, with idiocy, with three-word
responses, with lies, and even with an occasional worthwhile point,
he has buried the signal under an avalanche of noise.

Nizkor wishes, and others wish, to be able to confront "revisionist"
claims.  Giwer's aim is to make that impossible.

This automated posting script keeps track of Giwer's posting volume
and thus his success in monopolizing the group.

Here are the statistics for July 1st and 2nd:

  Total number of articles posted: 468

         Articles from Matt Giwer: 86 (18.4%)
        Articles mentioning Giwer: 123 (26.3%)

      Articles per day from Giwer: 43
Articles per day mentioning Giwer: 61.5

Here is a graphical representation of posts from Giwer and posts
mentioning Giwer for these days.  Each "F" represents one article
>from  Giwer;  each "m" represents one additional article with the
string "giwer" somewhere in its header or body.

 Jul 2: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
 Jul 1: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

For comparison, here is the graph for the previous seven days:

Jun 30: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFmmmm
Jun 29: FFFFFFFmmmmm
Jun 28: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFmmm
Jun 27: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFmmmmmm
Jun 26: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFmmmmmm
Jun 25: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFmmmmmmmmm
Jun 24: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm


It is technically possible to cut off Matt Giwer from this group.
However, it would not be morally proper, since he is not conducting
malicious forgeries, (what is usually known as) spamming, or any other
activities which would warrant an infringement on his freedom of speech.
All we can do is ignore him, and hope he gets bored and goes away.

NIZKOR URGES ALL ALT.REVISIONISM READERS TO COMPLETELY IGNORE HIM.

To ignore him most effectively, use a KILL file on your news reader:
http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/g/giwer.matt/killfile

For more information about Matt Giwer, see:
http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/g/giwer.matt
http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/g/giwer.matt/lies
http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/g/giwer.matt/net-abuse

The EFF's "Net Abuse and 'Spamming' Archive":
http://ftp.eff.org/pub/Net_culture/Folklore/Spam/

The Net Abuse FAQ:
http://www.cybernothing.org/faqs/net-abuse-faq.html

The Cancelmoose/NoCeM web site:
http://www.cm.org/

alt.religion.scientology and "vertical spam":
http://www.bway.net/~keith/spam/spam.htm
http://daemon.apana.org.au/~fjc/scn/spam.html

The perl5 script that generates this automated posting was written by
Jamie McCarthy;  feel free to post your comments publicly or to email
them to jamie@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca.  It posts three times a week.
Once a week (each Friday) it cross-posts to news.admin.net-abuse.misc.
In the interest of full disclosure, the script is available at:
http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?miscellany/giwer-report.pl



From jamie@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca Mon Jul  8 08:51:06 PDT 1996
Article: 48982 of alt.revisionism
Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!not-for-mail
From: jamie@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Jamie McCarthy)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: MATT GIWER REPORT FOR JUL 3-4: 11.1% / 20%
Followup-To: alt.bonehead.matt-giwer,alt.revisionism
Date: 8 Jul 1996 05:08:31 -0700
Organization: The Nizkor Project, Vancouver Island, CANADA
Lines: 80
Message-ID: <4rqtnv$bf2@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>
Reply-To: jamie@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca
NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.almanac.bc.ca
X-Nizkor-URL: http://www.almanac.bc.ca/
X-Giwer-URL: http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/g/giwer.matt

   "...we may be able to firmly re-establish this as a conference on
    revisionism.  That is, make it useless to the hijackers."
                                      - Matt Giwer, June 21, 1996

Matt Giwer has singlehandedly taken over alt.revisionism.  With trolls,
with insults, with straight-lines, with idiocy, with three-word
responses, with lies, and even with an occasional worthwhile point,
he has buried the signal under an avalanche of noise.

Nizkor wishes, and others wish, to be able to confront "revisionist"
claims.  Giwer's aim is to make that impossible.

This automated posting script keeps track of Giwer's posting volume
and thus his success in monopolizing the group.

Here are the statistics for July 3rd and 4th:

  Total number of articles posted: 440

         Articles from Matt Giwer: 49 (11.1%)
        Articles mentioning Giwer: 88 (20%)

      Articles per day from Giwer: 24.5
Articles per day mentioning Giwer: 44

Here is a graphical representation of posts from Giwer and posts
mentioning Giwer for these days.  Each "F" represents one article
>from  Giwer;  each "m" represents one additional article with the
string "giwer" somewhere in its header or body.

 Jul 4: FFFFFFFFFFFFFmmmmmmmmmmmm
 Jul 3: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

For comparison, here is the graph for the previous seven days:

 Jul 2: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
 Jul 1: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Jun 30: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFmmmm
Jun 29: FFFFFFFmmmmm
Jun 28: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFmmm
Jun 27: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFmmmmmm
Jun 26: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFmmmmmm


It is technically possible to cut off Matt Giwer from this group.
However, it would not be morally proper, since he is not conducting
malicious forgeries, (what is usually known as) spamming, or any other
activities which would warrant an infringement on his freedom of speech.
All we can do is ignore him, and hope he gets bored and goes away.

NIZKOR URGES ALL ALT.REVISIONISM READERS TO COMPLETELY IGNORE HIM.

To ignore him most effectively, use a KILL file on your news reader:
http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/g/giwer.matt/killfile

For more information about Matt Giwer, see:
http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/g/giwer.matt
http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/g/giwer.matt/lies
http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/g/giwer.matt/net-abuse

The EFF's "Net Abuse and 'Spamming' Archive":
http://ftp.eff.org/pub/Net_culture/Folklore/Spam/

The Net Abuse FAQ:
http://www.cybernothing.org/faqs/net-abuse-faq.html

The Cancelmoose/NoCeM web site:
http://www.cm.org/

alt.religion.scientology and "vertical spam":
http://www.bway.net/~keith/spam/spam.htm
http://daemon.apana.org.au/~fjc/scn/spam.html

The perl5 script that generates this automated posting was written by
Jamie McCarthy;  feel free to post your comments publicly or to email
them to jamie@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca.  It posts three times a week.
Once a week (each Friday) it cross-posts to news.admin.net-abuse.misc.
In the interest of full disclosure, the script is available at:
http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?miscellany/giwer-report.pl



From 100644.317@compuserve.com Mon Jul  8 08:51:08 PDT 1996
Article: 49000 of alt.revisionism
Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!lamarck.sura.net!nntp2.backbone.olemiss.edu!nntp.msstate.edu!cssun.mathcs.emory.edu!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!chi-news.cic.net!news.compuserve.com!newsmaster
From: 100644.317@compuserve.com (Miloslav Bilik)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: MATT GIWER REPORT for Jun 1-9: 12.7% / 18.3%
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 23:26:04 GMT
Organization: Compuserve
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mgiwer@ix.netcom.com wrote:

>rjg@d31rz0.Stanford.EDU (Richard J. Green) wrote:

>>But to answer Mr. Raven's question: Krema I at Auschwitz, although
>>reconstructed, was a gas chamber.  Kremas II-V at Birkenau were gas
>>chambers.

>	If these were in fact gas chambers why was there no provision for
>preheating the incoming air to exhaust the gas?  Without that any
>outside air below its condensation point (lots of it in Poland) causes
>it to condense out of the air and onto the walls and bodies.  

Where did you see "incoming air to exhaust the gas " in
Auschwitz-Birkenau ? It was used only for airing after a gassing in
the equipped gas chambers.

And where did you get this idea that HCN will condense on the walls
and bodies ? At -20 C the condensation point of HCN is about 100000
ppm. It is incomparably more than the highest estimations.

At a overestimated (never claimed by your "holohuggers") rate of
20000ppm, giving an instataneous faint and killing in a matter of some
minutes or less, and at -20C, HCN doesn't condense, even with a main
(liquid) source frozen.

Given that, it's useless to say that -20C can't occur on the walls of
an underground room and moreover on bodies.




From jamie@voyager.net Mon Jul  8 19:56:59 PDT 1996
Article: 49017 of alt.revisionism
Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!aanews.merit.net!news.voyager.net!clmx50.dial.voyager.net!user
From: jamie@voyager.net (Jamie McCarthy)
Newsgroups: alt.bonehead.matt-giwer,alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: MATT GIWER REPORT FOR JUL 3-4: 11.1% / 20%
Date: Mon, 08 Jul 1996 11:47:12 -0400
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Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.bonehead.matt-giwer:147 alt.revisionism:49017

jamie@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca wrote:

>          Articles from Matt Giwer: 49 (11.1%)

Well, it looks like the Giwer is getting back to tolerable levels:
twenty-five a day, or so.

Is it time to declare the crisis over and try to get on with the
discussions on this group as normal?
-- 
 Jamie McCarthy          http://www.absence.prismatix.com/jamie/
 jamie@voyager.net     Co-Webmaster of http://www.almanac.bc.ca/
 Hate mail will be posted.


From t08o@unb.ca Tue Jul  9 07:37:16 PDT 1996
Article: 49143 of alt.revisionism
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From: Keith Morrison 
Newsgroups: alt.bonehead.matt-giwer,alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: MATT GIWER REPORT FOR JUL 3-4: 11.1% / 20%
Date: Mon, 08 Jul 1996 19:26:54 -0300
Organization: University of New Brunswick
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Rich Graves wrote:
> 
> jamie@voyager.net (Jamie McCarthy) writes:
> >jamie@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca wrote:
> >
> >>          Articles from Matt Giwer: 49 (11.1%)
> >
> >Well, it looks like the Giwer is getting back to tolerable levels:
> >twenty-five a day, or so.
> 
> *No* articles from Giwer (other than cancels) have hit stanford.edu in the
> last 18 hours. I think he's given up and gone home.

I think you're right.  He has not even responded to obvious bait.

Well, I hooked my limit of trolls, so I guess I'm happy.

--
Keith Morrison
t08o@Unb.ca


From rich@c2.org Tue Jul  9 11:52:34 PDT 1996
Article: 49190 of alt.revisionism
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From: rich@c2.org (Rich Graves)
Newsgroups: alt.bonehead.matt-giwer,alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: MATT GIWER REPORT FOR JUL 3-4: 11.1% / 20%
Date: 8 Jul 1996 14:36:28 -0700
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jamie@voyager.net (Jamie McCarthy) writes:
>jamie@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca wrote:
>
>>          Articles from Matt Giwer: 49 (11.1%)
>
>Well, it looks like the Giwer is getting back to tolerable levels:
>twenty-five a day, or so.

*No* articles from Giwer (other than cancels) have hit stanford.edu in the
last 18 hours. I think he's given up and gone home. 

-rich
 http://www.c2.org/~rich/


From mgiwer@ix.netcom.com Wed Jul 10 06:53:46 PDT 1996
Article: 49360 of alt.revisionism
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From: mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.bonehead.matt-giwer,alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: MATT GIWER REPORT FOR JUL 3-4: 11.1% / 20%
Date: Tue, 09 Jul 1996 09:16:42 GMT
Organization: images incarnate
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On Mon, 08 Jul 1996 11:47:12 -0400, jamie@voyager.net (Jamie McCarthy)
wrote:

>jamie@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca wrote:

>>          Articles from Matt Giwer: 49 (11.1%)

>Well, it looks like the Giwer is getting back to tolerable levels:
>twenty-five a day, or so.

>Is it time to declare the crisis over and try to get on with the
>discussions on this group as normal?

	I apologize for my inadequacy.  
	
	The holohugging spamming has not abated. 

	I shall have to work harder.   




From jamie@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca Wed Jul 10 06:53:49 PDT 1996
Article: 49394 of alt.revisionism
Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!not-for-mail
From: jamie@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Jamie McCarthy)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: MATT GIWER REPORT FOR JUL 5-7: na% / na%
Followup-To: alt.bonehead.matt-giwer,alt.revisionism
Date: 10 Jul 1996 05:00:13 -0700
Organization: The Nizkor Project, Vancouver Island, CANADA
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X-Giwer-URL: http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/g/giwer.matt

   "...we may be able to firmly re-establish this as a conference on
    revisionism.  That is, make it useless to the hijackers."
                                      - Matt Giwer, June 21, 1996

Matt Giwer has singlehandedly taken over alt.revisionism.  With trolls,
with insults, with straight-lines, with idiocy, with three-word
responses, with lies, and even with an occasional worthwhile point,
he has buried the signal under an avalanche of noise.

Nizkor wishes, and others wish, to be able to confront "revisionist"
claims.  Giwer's aim is to make that impossible.

This automated posting script keeps track of Giwer's posting volume
and thus his success in monopolizing the group.

Here are the statistics for July 5th through 7th:

  Total number of articles posted: 0

         Articles from Matt Giwer: 0 (na%)
        Articles mentioning Giwer: 0 (na%)

      Articles per day from Giwer: 0
Articles per day mentioning Giwer: 0

Here is a graphical representation of posts from Giwer and posts
mentioning Giwer for these days.  Each "F" represents one article
>from  Giwer;  each "m" represents one additional article with the
string "giwer" somewhere in its header or body.


For comparison, here is the graph for the previous seven days:

 Jul 4: FFFFFFFFFFFFFmmmmmmmmmmmm
 Jul 3: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
 Jul 2: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
 Jul 1: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Jun 30: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFmmmm
Jun 29: FFFFFFFmmmmm
Jun 28: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFmmm


It is technically possible to cut off Matt Giwer from this group.
However, it would not be morally proper, since he is not conducting
malicious forgeries, (what is usually known as) spamming, or any other
activities which would warrant an infringement on his freedom of speech.
All we can do is ignore him, and hope he gets bored and goes away.

NIZKOR URGES ALL ALT.REVISIONISM READERS TO COMPLETELY IGNORE HIM.

To ignore him most effectively, use a KILL file on your news reader:
http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/g/giwer.matt/killfile

For more information about Matt Giwer, see:
http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/g/giwer.matt
http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/g/giwer.matt/lies
http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/g/giwer.matt/net-abuse

The EFF's "Net Abuse and 'Spamming' Archive":
http://ftp.eff.org/pub/Net_culture/Folklore/Spam/

The Net Abuse FAQ:
http://www.cybernothing.org/faqs/net-abuse-faq.html

The Cancelmoose/NoCeM web site:
http://www.cm.org/

alt.religion.scientology and "vertical spam":
http://www.bway.net/~keith/spam/spam.htm
http://daemon.apana.org.au/~fjc/scn/spam.html

The perl5 script that generates this automated posting was written by
Jamie McCarthy;  feel free to post your comments publicly or to email
them to jamie@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca.  It posts three times a week.
Once a week (each Friday) it cross-posts to news.admin.net-abuse.misc.
In the interest of full disclosure, the script is available at:
http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?miscellany/giwer-report.pl



From jamie@voyager.net Wed Jul 10 17:15:05 PDT 1996
Article: 49491 of alt.revisionism
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From: jamie@voyager.net (Jamie McCarthy)
Newsgroups: alt.bonehead.matt-giwer,alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: MATT GIWER REPORT FOR JUL 5-7: na% / na%
Followup-To: alt.stupidity
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 13:36:38 -0400
Organization: Absence Software
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Message-ID: 
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Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.bonehead.matt-giwer:158 alt.revisionism:49491

jamie@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca wrote:

>   Total number of articles posted: 0
> 
>          Articles from Matt Giwer: 0 (na%)
>         Articles mentioning Giwer: 0 (na%)
> 
>       Articles per day from Giwer: 0
> Articles per day mentioning Giwer: 0

Whoops -- a bug, sorry.  I'll try to fix it today and will repost if
necessary.
-- 
 Jamie McCarthy          http://www.absence.prismatix.com/jamie/
 jamie@voyager.net     Co-Webmaster of http://www.almanac.bc.ca/
 Hate mail will be posted.


From jamie@voyager.net Thu Jul 11 13:11:54 PDT 1996
Article: 49713 of alt.revisionism
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From: jamie@voyager.net (Jamie McCarthy)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: MATT GIWER REPORT FOR JUL 5-7: na% / na%
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 11:47:04 -0400
Organization: Absence Software
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References: <4s060d$39b@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> 
NNTP-Posting-Host: vixa.voyager.net

jamie@voyager.net (Jamie McCarthy) wrote:

> jamie@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca wrote:
> 
> >   Total number of articles posted: 0
> 
> Whoops -- a bug, sorry.  I'll try to fix it today and will repost if
> necessary.

It wasn't a bug.  Due to disk space considerations, we had to delete
a few weeks' worth of news articles at Nizkor.  The Matt Giwer Report
will be offline for a little while to let the newsfeed catch up.
We apologize for the inconvenience.
-- 
 Jamie McCarthy          http://www.absence.prismatix.com/jamie/
 jamie@voyager.net     Co-Webmaster of http://www.almanac.bc.ca/
 Hate mail will be posted.


From hostrov@uniserve.com Tue Jul 16 02:19:02 PDT 1996
Article: 50576 of alt.revisionism
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From: hostrov@uniserve.com (Hilary Ostrov)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: MATT GIWER REPORT FOR JUL 3-4: 11.1% / 20%
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 17:14:50 GMT
Organization: myssiwyg*
Lines: 32
Distribution: world
Message-ID: <4sdujh$7n0@atlas.uniserve.com>
References: <4rqtnv$bf2@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>  <31e8fc95.3776546@news.inetport.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: van0222.tvs.net
X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82

In <31e8fc95.3776546@news.inetport.com>, mcurtis@inetport.com (Mike
Curtis) wrote:

[re the troll]

>The moment I un-killfile him, he'll probably go back up to 100 a day.
>So if you declare the crisis over, do I start reading him again? Or
>would his count go up because those of us who have him turned off will
>start to respond to him. I don't mind him responding but the
>speciousness, nastiness, and downright boringness of his replies do
>not make it worthwile. 

>Unless he has changed. Has he changed?

No change.  He simply keeps recycling himself and his "material"
through his various modes.  Currently he is alternating between
 and  (with unintended
self-contradictions thrown in for our occasional mild amusement - see
my "G*wer Judgement on G*wer vs G*wer") but on the whole, just as
boring as ever.  And as long as you can still see the replies of
others, you aren't missing a thing!

Posted/e-mailed

hro

=======================
Hilary Ostrov
e-mail: hostrov@uniserve.com
http://haven.uniserve.com/~hostrov/
Co-Webmaster - The Nizkor Project http://www.nizkor.eye.net/



From dmittleman@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu Tue Jul 16 08:46:44 PDT 1996
Article: 50656 of alt.revisionism
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From: dmittleman@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu (Danny Mittleman)
Newsgroups: alt.bonehead.matt-giwer,alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: MATT GIWER REPORT FOR JUL 3-4: 11.1% / 20%
Date: 15 Jul 1996 22:22 MST
Organization: University of Arizona (BPA)
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Distribution: world
Message-ID: <15JUL199622224247@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu>
References: <4rqtnv$bf2@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>  <31e8fc95.3776546@news.inetport.com>
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News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.50    
Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.bonehead.matt-giwer:169 alt.revisionism:50656

In article <31e8fc95.3776546@news.inetport.com>, mcurtis@inetport.com writes...
>jamie@voyager.net (Jamie McCarthy) wrote:
> 
>>jamie@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca wrote:
>>
>>>          Articles from Matt Giwer: 49 (11.1%)
>>
>>Well, it looks like the Giwer is getting back to tolerable levels:
>>twenty-five a day, or so.
>>
>>Is it time to declare the crisis over and try to get on with the
>>discussions on this group as normal?
>>-- 
> 
>The moment I un-killfile him, he'll probably go back up to 100 a day.
>So if you declare the crisis over, do I start reading him again? Or
>would his count go up because those of us who have him turned off will
>start to respond to him. I don't mind him responding but the
>speciousness, nastiness, and downright boringness of his replies do
>not make it worthwile. 
> 
>Unless he has changed. Has he changed?

    He has changed for the worse.  He is shorter tempered, more insulting,
    and less coherent than he used to be.  Gord and Alex are right - he is
    very close to cracking and only worth reading for humor value (which
    wears thin very quickly.)

    He is also posting much more than 25 messages a day, I suspect.

                         daniel david mittleman 
===========================================================================
                     Quoth the H*ber: "Never! More!"


From jamie@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca Fri Jul 19 07:29:38 PDT 1996
Article: 51359 of alt.revisionism
Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!not-for-mail
From: jamie@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Jamie McCarthy)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,news.admin.net-abuse.misc
Subject: MATT GIWER REPORT FOR JUL 15-16: 10.2% / 13.9%
Followup-To: alt.bonehead.matt-giwer,alt.revisionism,news.admin.net-abuse.misc
Date: 19 Jul 1996 05:01:54 -0700
Organization: The Nizkor Project, Vancouver Island, CANADA
Lines: 80
Message-ID: <4sntfi$6bf@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>
Reply-To: jamie@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca
NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.almanac.bc.ca
X-Nizkor-URL: http://www.almanac.bc.ca/
X-Giwer-URL: http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/g/giwer.matt
Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.revisionism:51359 news.admin.net-abuse.misc:61577

   "...we may be able to firmly re-establish this as a conference on
    revisionism.  That is, make it useless to the hijackers."
                                      - Matt Giwer, June 21, 1996

Matt Giwer has singlehandedly taken over alt.revisionism.  With trolls,
with insults, with straight-lines, with idiocy, with three-word
responses, with lies, and even with an occasional worthwhile point,
he has buried the signal under an avalanche of noise.

Nizkor wishes, and others wish, to be able to confront "revisionist"
claims.  Giwer's aim is to make that impossible.

This automated posting script keeps track of Giwer's posting volume
and thus his success in monopolizing the group.

Here are the statistics for July 15th and 16th:

  Total number of articles posted: 560

         Articles from Matt Giwer: 57 (10.2%)
        Articles mentioning Giwer: 78 (13.9%)

      Articles per day from Giwer: 28.5
Articles per day mentioning Giwer: 39

Here is a graphical representation of posts from Giwer and posts
mentioning Giwer for these days.  Each "F" represents one article
>from  Giwer;  each "m" represents one additional article with the
string "giwer" somewhere in its header or body.

Jul 16: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Jul 15: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFmmmmmmmm

For comparison, here is the graph for the previous seven days:

Jul 14: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFmmmmmmm
Jul 13: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFmmmm
Jul 12: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFmmmmmmmm
[Due to technical difficulties, some days' records were lost.] 
 Jul 4: FFFFFFFFFFFFFmmmmmmmmmmmm
 Jul 3: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
 Jul 2: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm


It is technically possible to cut off Matt Giwer from this group.
However, it would not be morally proper, since he is not conducting
malicious forgeries, (what is usually known as) spamming, or any other
activities which would warrant an infringement on his freedom of speech.
All we can do is ignore him, and hope he gets bored and goes away.

NIZKOR URGES ALL ALT.REVISIONISM READERS TO COMPLETELY IGNORE HIM.

To ignore him most effectively, use a KILL file on your news reader:
http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/g/giwer.matt/killfile

For more information about Matt Giwer, see:
http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/g/giwer.matt
http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/g/giwer.matt/lies
http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/g/giwer.matt/net-abuse

The EFF's "Net Abuse and 'Spamming' Archive":
http://ftp.eff.org/pub/Net_culture/Folklore/Spam/

The Net Abuse FAQ:
http://www.cybernothing.org/faqs/net-abuse-faq.html

The Cancelmoose/NoCeM web site:
http://www.cm.org/

alt.religion.scientology and "vertical spam":
http://www.bway.net/~keith/spam/spam.htm
http://daemon.apana.org.au/~fjc/scn/spam.html

The perl5 script that generates this automated posting was written by
Jamie McCarthy;  feel free to post your comments publicly or to email
them to jamie@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca.  It posts three times a week.
Once a week (each Friday) it cross-posts to news.admin.net-abuse.misc.
In the interest of full disclosure, the script is available at:
http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?miscellany/giwer-report.pl



From jamie@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca Mon Jul 22 09:00:51 PDT 1996
Article: 52100 of alt.revisionism
Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!not-for-mail
From: jamie@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Jamie McCarthy)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: MATT GIWER REPORT FOR JUL 17-18: 12% / 16.1%
Followup-To: alt.bonehead.matt-giwer,alt.revisionism
Date: 22 Jul 1996 05:02:53 -0700
Organization: The Nizkor Project, Vancouver Island, CANADA
Lines: 80
Message-ID: <4svqld$ihu@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>
Reply-To: jamie@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca
NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.almanac.bc.ca
X-Nizkor-URL: http://www.almanac.bc.ca/
X-Giwer-URL: http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/g/giwer.matt

   "...we may be able to firmly re-establish this as a conference on
    revisionism.  That is, make it useless to the hijackers."
                                      - Matt Giwer, June 21, 1996

Matt Giwer has singlehandedly taken over alt.revisionism.  With trolls,
with insults, with straight-lines, with idiocy, with three-word
responses, with lies, and even with an occasional worthwhile point,
he has buried the signal under an avalanche of noise.

Nizkor wishes, and others wish, to be able to confront "revisionist"
claims.  Giwer's aim is to make that impossible.

This automated posting script keeps track of Giwer's posting volume
and thus his success in monopolizing the group.

Here are the statistics for July 17th and 18th:

  Total number of articles posted: 384

         Articles from Matt Giwer: 46 (12%)
        Articles mentioning Giwer: 62 (16.1%)

      Articles per day from Giwer: 23
Articles per day mentioning Giwer: 31

Here is a graphical representation of posts from Giwer and posts
mentioning Giwer for these days.  Each "F" represents one article
>from  Giwer;  each "m" represents one additional article with the
string "giwer" somewhere in its header or body.

Jul 18: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFmmmmmmmm
Jul 17: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFmmmmmmmm

For comparison, here is the graph for the previous seven days:

Jul 16: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Jul 15: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFmmmmmmmm
Jul 14: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFmmmmmmm
Jul 13: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFmmmm
Jul 12: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFmmmmmmmm
[Due to technical difficulties, some days' records were lost.] 
 Jul 4: FFFFFFFFFFFFFmmmmmmmmmmmm


It is technically possible to cut off Matt Giwer from this group.
However, it would not be morally proper, since he is not conducting
malicious forgeries, (what is usually known as) spamming, or any other
activities which would warrant an infringement on his freedom of speech.
All we can do is ignore him, and hope he gets bored and goes away.

NIZKOR URGES ALL ALT.REVISIONISM READERS TO COMPLETELY IGNORE HIM.

To ignore him most effectively, use a KILL file on your news reader:
http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/g/giwer.matt/killfile

For more information about Matt Giwer, see:
http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/g/giwer.matt
http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/g/giwer.matt/lies
http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/g/giwer.matt/net-abuse

The EFF's "Net Abuse and 'Spamming' Archive":
http://ftp.eff.org/pub/Net_culture/Folklore/Spam/

The Net Abuse FAQ:
http://www.cybernothing.org/faqs/net-abuse-faq.html

The Cancelmoose/NoCeM web site:
http://www.cm.org/

alt.religion.scientology and "vertical spam":
http://www.bway.net/~keith/spam/spam.htm
http://daemon.apana.org.au/~fjc/scn/spam.html

The perl5 script that generates this automated posting was written by
Jamie McCarthy;  feel free to post your comments publicly or to email
them to jamie@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca.  It posts three times a week.
Once a week (each Friday) it cross-posts to news.admin.net-abuse.misc.
In the interest of full disclosure, the script is available at:
http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?miscellany/giwer-report.pl



From jamie@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca Wed Jul 24 07:09:54 PDT 1996
Article: 52793 of alt.revisionism
Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!not-for-mail
From: jamie@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Jamie McCarthy)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: MATT GIWER REPORT FOR JUL 19-21: 14.8% / 22.3%
Followup-To: alt.bonehead.matt-giwer,alt.revisionism
Date: 24 Jul 1996 05:04:13 -0700
Organization: The Nizkor Project, Vancouver Island, CANADA
Lines: 81
Message-ID: <4t53ft$iv1@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>
Reply-To: jamie@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca
NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.almanac.bc.ca
X-Nizkor-URL: http://www.almanac.bc.ca/
X-Giwer-URL: http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/g/giwer.matt

   "...we may be able to firmly re-establish this as a conference on
    revisionism.  That is, make it useless to the hijackers."
                                      - Matt Giwer, June 21, 1996

Matt Giwer has singlehandedly taken over alt.revisionism.  With trolls,
with insults, with straight-lines, with idiocy, with three-word
responses, with lies, and even with an occasional worthwhile point,
he has buried the signal under an avalanche of noise.

Nizkor wishes, and others wish, to be able to confront "revisionist"
claims.  Giwer's aim is to make that impossible.

This automated posting script keeps track of Giwer's posting volume
and thus his success in monopolizing the group.

Here are the statistics for July 19th through 21st:

  Total number of articles posted: 687

         Articles from Matt Giwer: 102 (14.8%)
        Articles mentioning Giwer: 153 (22.3%)

      Articles per day from Giwer: 34
Articles per day mentioning Giwer: 51

Here is a graphical representation of posts from Giwer and posts
mentioning Giwer for these days.  Each "F" represents one article
>from  Giwer;  each "m" represents one additional article with the
string "giwer" somewhere in its header or body.

Jul 21: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Jul 20: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Jul 19: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

For comparison, here is the graph for the previous seven days:

Jul 18: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFmmmmmmmm
Jul 17: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFmmmmmmmm
Jul 16: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Jul 15: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFmmmmmmmm
Jul 14: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFmmmmmmm
Jul 13: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFmmmm
Jul 12: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFmmmmmmmm


It is technically possible to cut off Matt Giwer from this group.
However, it would not be morally proper, since he is not conducting
malicious forgeries, (what is usually known as) spamming, or any other
activities which would warrant an infringement on his freedom of speech.
All we can do is ignore him, and hope he gets bored and goes away.

NIZKOR URGES ALL ALT.REVISIONISM READERS TO COMPLETELY IGNORE HIM.

To ignore him most effectively, use a KILL file on your news reader:
http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/g/giwer.matt/killfile

For more information about Matt Giwer, see:
http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/g/giwer.matt
http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/g/giwer.matt/lies
http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/g/giwer.matt/net-abuse

The EFF's "Net Abuse and 'Spamming' Archive":
http://ftp.eff.org/pub/Net_culture/Folklore/Spam/

The Net Abuse FAQ:
http://www.cybernothing.org/faqs/net-abuse-faq.html

The Cancelmoose/NoCeM web site:
http://www.cm.org/

alt.religion.scientology and "vertical spam":
http://www.bway.net/~keith/spam/spam.htm
http://daemon.apana.org.au/~fjc/scn/spam.html

The perl5 script that generates this automated posting was written by
Jamie McCarthy;  feel free to post your comments publicly or to email
them to jamie@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca.  It posts three times a week.
Once a week (each Friday) it cross-posts to news.admin.net-abuse.misc.
In the interest of full disclosure, the script is available at:
http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?miscellany/giwer-report.pl



From mgiwer@ix.netcom.com Fri Jul 26 05:08:22 PDT 1996
Article: 53346 of alt.revisionism
Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!nntp.coast.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net!ix.netcom.com!news
From: mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: MATT GIWER REPORT FOR JUL 19-21: 14.8% / 22.3%
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 06:06:18 GMT
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On 24 Jul 1996 05:04:13 -0700, jamie@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Jamie McCarthy)
wrote:

>   "...we may be able to firmly re-establish this as a conference on
>    revisionism.  That is, make it useless to the hijackers."
>                                      - Matt Giwer, June 21, 1996

>Matt Giwer has singlehandedly taken over alt.revisionism.  With trolls,
>with insults, with straight-lines, with idiocy, with three-word
>responses, with lies, and even with an occasional worthwhile point,
>he has buried the signal under an avalanche of noise.
	AG appears of the opinion that you folks who have gotten together and hatched
this claim that he considers to be untrue and to have posted it in several NGs
and to my service provider are guilty of prima facia conspiracy to spread
false information.

	Is there anything you folks have to say in your own defense?  



From jamie@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca Fri Jul 26 05:08:24 PDT 1996
Article: 53371 of alt.revisionism
Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!not-for-mail
From: jamie@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Jamie McCarthy)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,news.admin.net-abuse.misc
Subject: MATT GIWER REPORT FOR JUL 22-23: 15.5% / 26.7%
Followup-To: alt.bonehead.matt-giwer,alt.revisionism,news.admin.net-abuse.misc
Date: 26 Jul 1996 05:05:24 -0700
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   "...we may be able to firmly re-establish this as a conference on
    revisionism.  That is, make it useless to the hijackers."
                                      - Matt Giwer, June 21, 1996

Matt Giwer has singlehandedly taken over alt.revisionism.  With trolls,
with insults, with straight-lines, with idiocy, with three-word
responses, with lies, and even with an occasional worthwhile point,
he has buried the signal under an avalanche of noise.

Nizkor wishes, and others wish, to be able to confront "revisionist"
claims.  Giwer's aim is to make that impossible.

This automated posting script keeps track of Giwer's posting volume
and thus his success in monopolizing the group.

Here are the statistics for July 22nd and 23rd:

  Total number of articles posted: 701

         Articles from Matt Giwer: 109 (15.5%)
        Articles mentioning Giwer: 187 (26.7%)

      Articles per day from Giwer: 54.5
Articles per day mentioning Giwer: 93.5

Here is a graphical representation of posts from Giwer and posts
mentioning Giwer for these days.  Each "F" represents one article
>from  Giwer;  each "m" represents one additional article with the
string "giwer" somewhere in its header or body.

Jul 23: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Jul 22: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

For comparison, here is the graph for the previous seven days:

Jul 21: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Jul 20: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Jul 19: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Jul 18: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFmmmmmmmm
Jul 17: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFmmmmmmmm
Jul 16: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Jul 15: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFmmmmmmmm


It is technically possible to cut off Matt Giwer from this group.
However, it would not be morally proper, since he is not conducting
malicious forgeries, (what is usually known as) spamming, or any other
activities which would warrant an infringement on his freedom of speech.
All we can do is ignore him, and hope he gets bored and goes away.

NIZKOR URGES ALL ALT.REVISIONISM READERS TO COMPLETELY IGNORE HIM.

To ignore him most effectively, use a KILL file on your news reader:
http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/g/giwer.matt/killfile

For more information about Matt Giwer, see:
http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/g/giwer.matt
http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/g/giwer.matt/lies
http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/g/giwer.matt/net-abuse

The EFF's "Net Abuse and 'Spamming' Archive":
http://ftp.eff.org/pub/Net_culture/Folklore/Spam/

The Net Abuse FAQ:
http://www.cybernothing.org/faqs/net-abuse-faq.html

The Cancelmoose/NoCeM web site:
http://www.cm.org/

alt.religion.scientology and "vertical spam":
http://www.bway.net/~keith/spam/spam.htm
http://daemon.apana.org.au/~fjc/scn/spam.html

The perl5 script that generates this automated posting was written by
Jamie McCarthy;  feel free to post your comments publicly or to email
them to jamie@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca.  It posts three times a week.
Once a week (each Friday) it cross-posts to news.admin.net-abuse.misc.
In the interest of full disclosure, the script is available at:
http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?miscellany/giwer-report.pl



From rich@c2.org Sat Jul 27 11:57:59 PDT 1996
Article: 53520 of alt.revisionism
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From: rich@c2.org (Rich Graves)
Newsgroups: alt.bonehead.matt-giwer,alt.revisionism,news.admin.net-abuse.misc
Subject: Re: MATT GIWER REPORT FOR JUL 22-23: 15.5% / 26.7%
Date: 26 Jul 1996 12:29:32 -0700
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jamie@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca writes:
>Here are the statistics for July 22nd and 23rd:
>
>  Total number of articles posted: 701
>
>         Articles from Matt Giwer: 109 (15.5%)
>        Articles mentioning Giwer: 187 (26.7%)
>
>      Articles per day from Giwer: 54.5
>Articles per day mentioning Giwer: 93.5

I think it needs to be made more clear that "Articles per day mentioning
Giwer" includes articles from Giwer.

I.e., the count of additional articles mentioning Giwer is really only 78,
or 11.2%. This suggests two things:

1. Despite Giwer's trolling and the perception that all people do is talk
   about him, he's really getting quite few followups to his articles.

2. Despite Giwer's trolling and spamming, the group has not completely
   succumbed. Of course there has been a spillover effect on people's
   tempers, lowering the level of discussion in other threads, but he's
   not winning.

Then again, I've got a healthy killfile. Those poor sods on AOL probably
can't read the group at all.

-rich
 [blue-ribbon disclaimer: it's called sarcasm, son, SARCASM]
 censor the internet! http://www.stanford.edu/~llurch/potw2/
 boycott fadetoblack! http://www.fadetoblack.com/prquest.htm


From alec@gryn.org Sat Jul 27 11:58:07 PDT 1996
Article: 53644 of alt.revisionism
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From: alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: MATT GIWER REPORT FOR JUL 19-21: 14.8% / 22.3%
Date: 26 Jul 96 07:16:44
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<*[*] [*] [mgiwer@ix.netcom.com] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
<+[MATT GIWER REPORT FOR JUL 19-21: 14.8% / 22.3%] [Thu 25 Jul 96 02:06][Fri
26 Jul 96 01:48][0]*>

 mnc>     AG appears of the opinion that you folks who have gotten
 mnc> together and hatched this claim that he considers to be untrue
 mnc> and to have posted it in several NGs and to my service provider
 mnc> are guilty of prima facia conspiracy to spread false
 mnc> information.

Nope! I am not of that opinion.

Are you buying funny mushrooms, Matt?

Prima facia!?!?

 mnc>     Is there anything you folks have to say in your own defense?

Hear the laughter, Matt?

++GMAIL 1.3++ We keep on laughing at you Matt.
--
|Fidonet:  Alec Grynspan 1:2424/224
|Internet: alec@gryn.org



From jamie@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca Sun Jul 28 13:02:00 PDT 1996
Article: 63442 of news.admin.net-abuse.misc
Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!not-for-mail
From: jamie@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Jamie McCarthy)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,news.admin.net-abuse.misc
Subject: MATT GIWER REPORT FOR JUL 22-23: 15.5% / 26.7%
Followup-To: alt.bonehead.matt-giwer,alt.revisionism,news.admin.net-abuse.misc
Date: 26 Jul 1996 05:05:24 -0700
Organization: The Nizkor Project, Vancouver Island, CANADA
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Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.revisionism:53371 news.admin.net-abuse.misc:63442

   "...we may be able to firmly re-establish this as a conference on
    revisionism.  That is, make it useless to the hijackers."
                                      - Matt Giwer, June 21, 1996

Matt Giwer has singlehandedly taken over alt.revisionism.  With trolls,
with insults, with straight-lines, with idiocy, with three-word
responses, with lies, and even with an occasional worthwhile point,
he has buried the signal under an avalanche of noise.

Nizkor wishes, and others wish, to be able to confront "revisionist"
claims.  Giwer's aim is to make that impossible.

This automated posting script keeps track of Giwer's posting volume
and thus his success in monopolizing the group.

Here are the statistics for July 22nd and 23rd:

  Total number of articles posted: 701

         Articles from Matt Giwer: 109 (15.5%)
        Articles mentioning Giwer: 187 (26.7%)

      Articles per day from Giwer: 54.5
Articles per day mentioning Giwer: 93.5

Here is a graphical representation of posts from Giwer and posts
mentioning Giwer for these days.  Each "F" represents one article
>from  Giwer;  each "m" represents one additional article with the
string "giwer" somewhere in its header or body.

Jul 23: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Jul 22: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

For comparison, here is the graph for the previous seven days:

Jul 21: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Jul 20: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Jul 19: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Jul 18: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFmmmmmmmm
Jul 17: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFmmmmmmmm
Jul 16: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Jul 15: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFmmmmmmmm


It is technically possible to cut off Matt Giwer from this group.
However, it would not be morally proper, since he is not conducting
malicious forgeries, (what is usually known as) spamming, or any other
activities which would warrant an infringement on his freedom of speech.
All we can do is ignore him, and hope he gets bored and goes away.

NIZKOR URGES ALL ALT.REVISIONISM READERS TO COMPLETELY IGNORE HIM.

To ignore him most effectively, use a KILL file on your news reader:
http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/g/giwer.matt/killfile

For more information about Matt Giwer, see:
http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/g/giwer.matt
http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/g/giwer.matt/lies
http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/g/giwer.matt/net-abuse

The EFF's "Net Abuse and 'Spamming' Archive":
http://ftp.eff.org/pub/Net_culture/Folklore/Spam/

The Net Abuse FAQ:
http://www.cybernothing.org/faqs/net-abuse-faq.html

The Cancelmoose/NoCeM web site:
http://www.cm.org/

alt.religion.scientology and "vertical spam":
http://www.bway.net/~keith/spam/spam.htm
http://daemon.apana.org.au/~fjc/scn/spam.html

The perl5 script that generates this automated posting was written by
Jamie McCarthy;  feel free to post your comments publicly or to email
them to jamie@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca.  It posts three times a week.
Once a week (each Friday) it cross-posts to news.admin.net-abuse.misc.
In the interest of full disclosure, the script is available at:
http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?miscellany/giwer-report.pl



From rich@c2.org Sun Jul 28 13:02:08 PDT 1996
Article: 63543 of news.admin.net-abuse.misc
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From: rich@c2.org (Rich Graves)
Newsgroups: alt.bonehead.matt-giwer,alt.revisionism,news.admin.net-abuse.misc
Subject: Re: MATT GIWER REPORT FOR JUL 22-23: 15.5% / 26.7%
Date: 26 Jul 1996 12:29:32 -0700
Organization: Uncensored Internet, http://www.c2.org/uncensored/
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jamie@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca writes:
>Here are the statistics for July 22nd and 23rd:
>
>  Total number of articles posted: 701
>
>         Articles from Matt Giwer: 109 (15.5%)
>        Articles mentioning Giwer: 187 (26.7%)
>
>      Articles per day from Giwer: 54.5
>Articles per day mentioning Giwer: 93.5

I think it needs to be made more clear that "Articles per day mentioning
Giwer" includes articles from Giwer.

I.e., the count of additional articles mentioning Giwer is really only 78,
or 11.2%. This suggests two things:

1. Despite Giwer's trolling and the perception that all people do is talk
   about him, he's really getting quite few followups to his articles.

2. Despite Giwer's trolling and spamming, the group has not completely
   succumbed. Of course there has been a spillover effect on people's
   tempers, lowering the level of discussion in other threads, but he's
   not winning.

Then again, I've got a healthy killfile. Those poor sods on AOL probably
can't read the group at all.

-rich
 [blue-ribbon disclaimer: it's called sarcasm, son, SARCASM]
 censor the internet! http://www.stanford.edu/~llurch/potw2/
 boycott fadetoblack! http://www.fadetoblack.com/prquest.htm


From jamie@nizkor.org Mon Jul 29 14:07:26 PDT 1996
Article: 54119 of alt.revisionism
Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!not-for-mail
From: jamie@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Jamie McCarthy)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: MATT GIWER REPORT FOR JUL 24-25: 16.4% / 25.2%
Followup-To: alt.bonehead.matt-giwer,alt.revisionism
Date: 29 Jul 1996 05:04:22 -0700
Organization: The Nizkor Project, Vancouver Island, CANADA
Lines: 107
Message-ID: <4ti9c6$t22@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>
Reply-To: jamie@nizkor.org
NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.almanac.bc.ca
X-Nizkor-URL: http://www.nizkor.org/
X-Giwer-URL: http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer-matt/

   "...we may be able to firmly re-establish this as a conference on
    revisionism.  That is, make it useless to the hijackers."
                                      - Matt Giwer, June 21, 1996

Matt Giwer has tried to take over alt.revisionism.  With trolls,
with insults, with straight-lines, with idiocy, with three-word
responses, with lies, and even with an occasional worthwhile point,
he has buried the signal under an avalanche of noise.

Nizkor wishes, and others wish, to be able to confront "revisionist"
claims.  Giwer's aim is to make that impossible.

Giwer has failed in his aim, partly because people have realized
that he is not to be taken too seriously, and partly because his
mainstay technique of spamming was detected as such and cancelled
by Chris Lewis' anti-spam-bot.

This automated posting script keeps track of Giwer's posting volume
and thus his measure of success in distracting the group.  If that
measure of success remains sufficiently low, this script will be
discontinued indefinitely.

Here are the statistics for July 24th and 25th:

  Total number of articles posted: 651

         Articles from Matt Giwer: 107 (16.4%)
        Articles mentioning Giwer: 164 (25.2%)

      Articles per day from Giwer: 53.5
Articles per day mentioning Giwer: 82

Note that the "mentioning" figure includes the "from" figure --
every article from Giwer is assumed to mention Giwer at least once :-)

Here is a graphical representation of posts from Giwer and posts
mentioning Giwer for these days.  Each "F" represents one article
>from  Giwer;  each "m" represents one additional article with the
string "giwer" somewhere in its header or body.

Jul 25: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Jul 24: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

For comparison, here is the graph for the previous seven days:

Jul 23: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Jul 22: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Jul 21: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Jul 20: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Jul 19: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Jul 18: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFmmmmmmmm
Jul 17: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFmmmmmmmm


It is technically possible to cut off Matt Giwer from this group.
However, it would not be morally proper, since he is not conducting
malicious forgeries, (what is usually known as) spamming, or any other
activities which would warrant an infringement on his freedom of speech.
All we can do is ignore him, and hope he gets bored with us and starts
bothering some other group.  (He's been annoying people and getting
kicked out of discussion forums for fifteen years;  Usenet is the first
he's found where he can't be kicked out.)

Nizkor suggests that alt.revisionism readers keep in mind that he is
trolling, and that they think twice about bothering to respond to him.

To ignore him most effectively, use a KILL file on your news reader:
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/g/giwer.matt/killfile

For more information about Matt Giwer, see:
http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer-matt/
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/g/giwer.matt/lies
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/g/giwer.matt/net-abuse

The Matt Giwer Random Lie Generator:
http://www.almanac.bc.ca/random-giwer-lie.cgi

Chris Lewis' bot cancels Matt Giwer:
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/g/giwer.matt/net-abuse/cancels.0796

Chris Lewis flames :-) Matt Giwer:
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/g/giwer.matt/net-abuse/credibility-toilet

   ("Overall, Chris Lewis is considered to be the expert on spam
     cancelling, and one of the experts on Usenet in general."
                                             - The Net Abuse FAQ, 2.10)

The Net Abuse FAQ:
http://www.cybernothing.org/faqs/net-abuse-faq.html

The EFF's "Net Abuse and 'Spamming' Archive":
http://ftp.eff.org/pub/Net_culture/Folklore/Spam/

The Cancelmoose/NoCeM web site:
http://www.cm.org/

alt.religion.scientology and "vertical spam":
http://www.bway.net/~keith/spam/spam.htm
http://daemon.apana.org.au/~fjc/scn/spam.html

The perl5 script that generates this automated posting was written by
Jamie McCarthy;  feel free to post your comments publicly or to email
them to jamie@nizkor.org.  It posts three times a week.  Once a week
(each Friday) it cross-posts to news.admin.net-abuse.misc.  In the
interest of full disclosure, the script is available at:
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?miscellany/giwer-report.pl



From jamie@nizkor.org Wed Jul 31 13:59:02 PDT 1996
Article: 54580 of alt.revisionism
Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!not-for-mail
From: jamie@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Jamie McCarthy)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: MATT GIWER REPORT FOR JUL 26-28: 7.5% / 12.2%
Followup-To: alt.bonehead.matt-giwer,alt.revisionism
Date: 31 Jul 1996 05:10:05 -0700
Organization: The Nizkor Project, Vancouver Island, CANADA
Lines: 108
Message-ID: <4tniet$dt0@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>
Reply-To: jamie@nizkor.org
NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.almanac.bc.ca
X-Nizkor-URL: http://www.nizkor.org/
X-Giwer-URL: http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer-matt/

   "...we may be able to firmly re-establish this as a conference on
    revisionism.  That is, make it useless to the hijackers."
                                      - Matt Giwer, June 21, 1996

Matt Giwer has tried to take over alt.revisionism.  With trolls,
with insults, with straight-lines, with idiocy, with three-word
responses, with lies, and even with an occasional worthwhile point,
he has buried the signal under an avalanche of noise.

Nizkor wishes, and others wish, to be able to confront "revisionist"
claims.  Giwer's aim is to make that impossible.

Giwer has failed in his aim, partly because people have realized
that he is not to be taken too seriously, and partly because his
mainstay technique of spamming was detected as such and cancelled
by Chris Lewis' anti-spam-bot.

This automated posting script keeps track of Giwer's posting volume
and thus his measure of success in distracting the group.  If that
measure of success remains sufficiently low, this script will be
discontinued indefinitely.

Here are the statistics for July 26th through 28th:

  Total number of articles posted: 624

         Articles from Matt Giwer: 47 (7.5%)
        Articles mentioning Giwer: 76 (12.2%)

      Articles per day from Giwer: 15.7
Articles per day mentioning Giwer: 25.3

Note that the "mentioning" figure includes the "from" figure --
every article from Giwer is assumed to mention Giwer at least once :-)

Here is a graphical representation of posts from Giwer and posts
mentioning Giwer for these days.  Each "F" represents one article
>from  Giwer;  each "m" represents one additional article with the
string "giwer" somewhere in its header or body.

Jul 28: FFFFFFFmmmmmmmmm
Jul 27: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFmmmmmmm
Jul 26: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFmmmmmmmmmmmmm

For comparison, here is the graph for the previous seven days:

Jul 25: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Jul 24: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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It is technically possible to cut off Matt Giwer from this group.
However, it would not be morally proper, since he is not conducting
malicious forgeries, (what is usually known as) spamming, or any other
activities which would warrant an infringement on his freedom of speech.
All we can do is ignore him, and hope he gets bored with us and starts
bothering some other group.  (He's been annoying people and getting
kicked out of discussion forums for fifteen years;  Usenet is the first
he's found where he can't be kicked out.)

Nizkor suggests that alt.revisionism readers keep in mind that he is
trolling, and that they think twice about bothering to respond to him.

To ignore him most effectively, use a KILL file on your news reader:
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/g/giwer.matt/killfile

For more information about Matt Giwer, see:
http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer-matt/
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/g/giwer.matt/lies
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/g/giwer.matt/net-abuse

The Matt Giwer Random Lie Generator:
http://www.almanac.bc.ca/random-giwer-lie.cgi

Chris Lewis' bot cancels Matt Giwer:
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/g/giwer.matt/net-abuse/cancels.0796

Chris Lewis flames :-) Matt Giwer:
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/g/giwer.matt/net-abuse/credibility-toilet

   ("Overall, Chris Lewis is considered to be the expert on spam
     cancelling, and one of the experts on Usenet in general."
                                             - The Net Abuse FAQ, 2.10)

The Net Abuse FAQ:
http://www.cybernothing.org/faqs/net-abuse-faq.html

The EFF's "Net Abuse and 'Spamming' Archive":
http://ftp.eff.org/pub/Net_culture/Folklore/Spam/

The Cancelmoose/NoCeM web site:
http://www.cm.org/

alt.religion.scientology and "vertical spam":
http://www.bway.net/~keith/spam/spam.htm
http://daemon.apana.org.au/~fjc/scn/spam.html

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(each Friday) it cross-posts to news.admin.net-abuse.misc.  In the
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