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From: bud 
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Subject: Jews For Jesus
Date: Sat, 02 Nov 1996 15:59:14 -0800
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Here's a site I hope many of you will visit just as I know how much some 
of you are hoping others on the Christian nets will visit some of your 
postings of the Nizkor site.

http://www.jews-for-jesus.org/index.html

a few other excellent ones are:
http:www.usaor.net/dt|/ and
http:www.illuminaweb.com/wordwon/

Good reading!


From budwrite@mail.gte.net Sat Nov  2 23:15:26 PST 1996
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From: budwrite@mail.gte.net (bud)
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Subject: Re: exterminationists -- stop whining
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On 31 Oct 1996 23:51:12 -0800, rcgraves@ix.netcom.com (Rich Graves)
wrote:

>budwrite@mail.gte.net (bud) writes:
>>I have on occassion had the misfortune of visiting the alt.revisionism
>>site.  Every time I "drop by", whether as a lurker or a participant I
>>note with some annoyance the tendency of many of the exterminationist
>>on that group to call everyone who disagrees with them "nazi's" or
>>some other nasty name.  I have also noted with some distaste that some
>>of them have, from time to time, posted things like "Hitler was a
>>Christian" or whatever.
>
>No, that was "goat@anus.com," a particularly obnoxious Holocaust denier. 
>He's on your side. "Ursus Major," a "Revisionist" who helped create at
>least two Holocaust-denial web sites, snuggled up to him pretty close.
>This is easily verified in DejaNews.
>
>-rich

I strongly urge you to get copies of the Christian News Encyclopedia.
There is lots of documentation in there regarding exterminationists
and other Jewish leaders who have openly been attempting to blame the
Christians for the Holocaust.  Certainly not "all" of them have, but I
did say "some" of them.  Nor did I say that this is "only" from
Alt.revisiionism.  I also suggest you "tune in" to more of the
Christian usenets groups, where some of this has also "popped up from
time to time."  Wherever it originated on the net, this isn't my point
anyway, if you read my posting again you will see what it is --
Christian suffering deliberately being ignored by the majority of the
media, the sometimes evil uses of this event to "excuse" atrocities
committed by the Isrealites, and the blatant overall Christian
complaceny of all this.


From budwrite@mail.gte.net Mon Nov  4 09:53:39 PST 1996
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From: budwrite@mail.gte.net (bud)
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Subject: Re: exterminationists -- stop whining --here's an example!
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On 31 Oct 1996 23:51:12 -0800, rcgraves@ix.netcom.com (Rich Graves)
wrote:

>budwrite@mail.gte.net (bud) writes:
>>I have on occassion had the misfortune of visiting the alt.revisionism
>>site.  Every time I "drop by", whether as a lurker or a participant I
>>note with some annoyance the tendency of many of the exterminationist
>>on that group to call everyone who disagrees with them "nazi's" or
>>some other nasty name.  I have also noted with some distaste that some
>>of them have, from time to time, posted things like "Hitler was a
>>Christian" or whatever.
>
>No, that was "goat@anus.com," a particularly obnoxious Holocaust denier. 
>He's on your side. "Ursus Major," a "Revisionist" who helped create at
>least two Holocaust-denial web sites, snuggled up to him pretty close.
>This is easily verified in DejaNews.
>
>-rich


this from alt.christnet.
"THE Catholic chruch sanctioned Nazi actions and sided with them. The
Catholic chruch was chastised by the Government of Isreal for decades
for NOT condemming the Nazi atrocities and keeping quiet. Pope John
Paul finally did apoligize to all Jews and he was allowed to visit
Israel and he visited the museum commemorating (the sprit of survival)
the Jewish holocust"

want more, Mr Graves?  There's lost of it "out there"



From budwrite@mail.gte.net Tue Nov  5 06:58:29 PST 1996
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From: budwrite@mail.gte.net (bud)
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I have on occassion had the misfortune of visiting the alt.revisionism
site.  Every time I "drop by", whether as a lurker or a participant I
note with some annoyance the tendency of many of the exterminationist
on that group to call everyone who disagrees with them "nazi's" or
some other nasty name.  I have also noted with some distaste that some
of them have, from time to time, posted things like "Hitler was a
Christian" or whatever.  What with the media hype, movies and tv shows
it seems that the true martyrs (the Christians) and their sacrifices
have been conveniently shoved aside and'or deliberately ignored.  I
have therefore decided to post a copy of this article from the October
21, 1996 issue of Christian news.  I hope all Christians and "others"
will read it and give it careful consideration.  Here it is:
'PRAY FOR PERSECUTED CHRISTIANS"  sbc leader Richard Land says (Salt,
vol. 6#3): 'approximately 100 million Christians have been martyred
for their faith in Jesus Christ this century, thus making the 20th
Century the bloodiest in Christian history.  More Christians have been
murdered for their faith in this century than (all) those who have
perished in all this century's wars...Islamic...radicals persecute,
torture and kill Christians.  In Cuba, Lao, N. Korea, Red China and
Vietnam, remnant Communists regimes viciously persecute Christians.
Some governments viciously...torture and imprison (them...or)tacitly
'allow' marauding outlaws mobs to beat and kill Christians and burn
their homes and houses of worship.  In Sudan, 300,000 Christians have
been murdered since 1982..."
CALVARY CONTENDER, OCTOBER 1, 1996

Now it seems to me that the film industry's blatant ignoring of this
and the media's seeming oblivion of this is purposeful when we are
constantly being bombarded with the same old WW2 propaganda about the
Germans and the Holocaust (many facts of which are coming under
constant fire by some historians -- their being defamed and called
names notwithstanding). 
 Why don't the Christians have a "Christian Holocaust Museum" in
Washington. 
 Why don't the Christians have laws and legislation calling for the
incarceration of those who reject "christian history" in their
rendition of it? 
 Why don't Christians have laws that accuse people of being culpible
for the death of those untold hundreds of millions of Christians if
they should reject the historicity of the resurrection of Jesus Christ
and the Christian faith?  
Why don't Christians start using these shocking martyrs as an excuse
to throw people out of their homes of over a thousand years of
generations"
Worse of all, when are the Christians going to wake up to the fact
that they are being set aside, ignored, and sometimes even
deliberately "passed over" while a smaller group/s have been pushing
their "agenda" in film, tv, movies, press and whatever!  WAKE UP
SOLDIERS OF CHRIST! 
Oh, but the way -- you can bet your bottom dollar that after this is
posted I am going to be called a "nazi" an "anti-semite" or whatever
series of names by those who are more interested in their agenda than
the truth....



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