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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Revisionists who are trying to change American history
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>   ll1432@aol.com (LL1432) writes:
>  Why doesn't proffesor Deborah Lipstadt deny mister Leon Bass an African
>  American soldier of WW II that he is a person who wants to change American
>  history and gets paid with Jewish money to tell his stories that are not
>  according to American military history and professor Lipstadt agrees with
>  him, and when asked, professor Lipstadt about mister Bass, the answer was
>  a four letter word not becoming for a professor. This is a true story that
>  happened in Dallas, Texas.
>  Please respond.

	It's quite hard to respond when it is impossible to figure out what you are 
talking about.

	As for what is or is not "becoming for a professor."  I suggest you show 
this to you high school English teacher.  Note his/her response.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: What Do You Know, 'rblackmore' Lies Again (Re: Jewish m
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes:
>  >  rblackmore@juno.com writes:

>  >  # Like Baer, former Commandamt of Auschwitz, who, by the
>  >  # way, also disclaimed the gas chamber story.

>  >  In "Nazi Mass Murder", Yale Uni. Press, 1993, on page 142, a
>  >  statement of Baer from Dec. 22, 1960, is quoted, with the
>  >  full source: "I commanded only Camp I at Auschwitz. I had nothing
>  >  to do with the camps where the gassings took place. I had no
>  >  influence over them. It was in Camp II, at Birkenau, that the
>  >  gassings took place. That camp was not under my authority".

>  >  For the life of me, I can't understand why "rblackmore" lies
>  >  so much.

>  You are the liar.  	Baer said there were no gas chambers and he never saw 
them.

	"I had nothing to do with the camps where the gassing took place."

	Apparently you and Baer disagree.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: A Phantom Rabbi Sighting
Date: 2 Jan 1997 06:07:33 GMT
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	Recently there have been some quotations presented from a "Rabbi 
Reichhorn" decribed here as "Chief Rabbi of France" in the second half of the 
19th century (dispite the fact that no such office existed between 1815 and 1905). 
 To date, no one has been able to find a reference outside of some rather 
anti-Semitic literature.  There is however at least one other reference to "Rabbi 
Reichhorn" on the internet.

	At the  "Be Wise as Serpents" site 
(http://www.pixie.com/%7Ebewise/evidence.html) "Rabbi Reichhorn" pops up in 
an article written by Elizbeth Dillings (well-known as a paid agent of nazi Germany). 
According to this reference "Rabbi Reichhorn" delivered the  "funeral oration" for 
the "Grand Rabbi Simeon ben Ihuda" in Prague in 1869.  Dillings does not report 
how the "Chief Rabbi of France" happened to be present in Prague conveniently 
for the death of the "Grand Rabbi Simeon ben Ihuda" (nor does she explain how 
he obtained the title "Grand Rabbi" or why the Encyclopedia Judaica has no entry 
for "Simeon ben Ihuda" either under his name or in any article relating to Judiasm 
in Prague but why cavil at details.  Fortunately a non-Jew named "Readcliffe" was 
invited to the event by "the Jew Sonol" and he managed to take a verbatim report 
of the "oration" which, instead of the eulogy for the "Grand Rabbi" consisted of a 
report on the conspiracy to take over the world.

	The fellow who claims he has been searhing for some real reference to 
"Chief Rabbi Reichhorn" has not been from for while.  Perhaps when he returns 
we can send him on a search for Prester John.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Thu Jan  2 05:46:10 PST 1997
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: For the Benefit of Mr. Kike
Date: 1 Jan 1997 22:45:08 GMT
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
     
>     	It's anti-Semitic and you know it.  Coupled with your distribution of 
>   anti-Semitic poetry, it is pretty conclusive.
      
>      Nonsense.--rb
    
>    	Sorry.  You are dead wrong and you know it.
  
>  I know you are but what am I?

	A Jew hating bastard with a sewer mouth, a penchant for dishonesty 
that would make Richared Nixon blush, and an affection for a bunch of murderers.
    
>    	"Boiling is the safest method."   
>  Of course water could have been boiled, but they had no equipment to boil 
water
>  for 60,000,000 people!

	"blackmore" decides to retail another of his fantasies.

	They had a kitchen in which food was to be prepared for those people. 
 The primary food supplied by your nazi heroes has been described as a "watery 
soup."  If they had the ability to make a "watery soup" on those occasions when 
they decided to feed their prisoners they had the equipment to boil water.

>  Now, as I previously mentioned, if the british gave the river
>  water without boiling or filtering it to thousands of people whose health was 
seriously
>  compromised by severe intestinal illnesses, then they must shoulder the 
responsibility
>  for the thousands of inmates who died after the liberation. 

	Except, of course, that the water was potable.  The locals used the river 
water without harmful effect; the British used the river water without harmful effect; 
the river water was supplied to the inmates without creating new epidemics.  The 
records show that the spread of disease was virtually halted when the British 
arrived and, using the resources at hand, put the camp in order.  They did nothing 
that Kramer could not have done.

	In fact, Kramer testified only that he "thought" the river was polluted.

> One kitchen complex would not have
>  sufficed to boil enough water to serve 60,000 people.

	Then it would not have been sufficient to feed those people "watery 
soup."   It did, however, do that whenever Kramer decided to feed the inmates.


  Also, Mr. Giwer is again right  when
>  he states that the water shortage was only of a very short duration---people 
cannot survive without
>  water.....so the shortage must only have been of a few days duration.

	There was no "shortage of water."  The water was deliberately denied.

>  In between, Kramer
>  arranged for the rapid surrender of the camp to the bristish,who should have 
given him a
>  MEDAL.

	The medal he deserved was a lead one, served hot against an adobe 
wall.

>  However, it appears that what they did do was given bacteria infected water to
>  thousands of inmates seriously compromised by life threatening illnesses.

	This seems to be a fantasy of yours.  The medical records show no 
such event.

>  >  >  The british obviously brought these items with them from their
>  >  >  field units.
>  >  
>  >  	"Obviously."  Please give us something besides your perceptions to 
back 
>  >  this up.  If that was what the British were up to, why did they abandon that 
effort 
>  >  when they discovered pumping equipment in the camp.
  
>  It only stands to reason:

	You are fantasizing again.

>  the British carted in safe drinking water from theri mobile field
>  units for one week

	That is a distortion of the testimony.  The mobile field units transported in 
water.  The water was locally obtained.  Thenb they discovered that Kramer had 
been lying to them.

	"Boiling is the safest method."

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Fri Jan  3 00:47:09 PST 1997
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: For the Benefit of Mr. Kike
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
  
>     yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:

>  >  	Don't just post it here.  You might consider submitting it to a few 
>  >  journals.  They will have the opportunity to laugh at you as well.

>  >>>>COMMENT:  They won't be laughing at me.  I didn't write it.

	Nor. apparently, did you read it.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Fri Jan  3 07:42:11 PST 1997
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   the criminal Giwer writes:

>  >>    	"Boiling is the safest method."   

>  >>  Of course water could have been boiled, but they had no equipment to boil 
>  >water
>  >>  for 60,000,000 people!

>  >	"blackmore" decides to retail another of his fantasies.

>  >	They had a kitchen in which food was to be prepared for those people. 
>  > The primary food supplied by your nazi heroes has been described as a 
"watery 
>  >soup."  If they had the ability to make a "watery soup" on those occasions 
when 
>  >they decided to feed their prisoners they had the equipment to boil water.
  
>  	Did it ever occur to you that if they were serving watery soup
>  they were in fact providing water?  

	Of course.  That is why I wrote the lines above.  Kramer had 
discontinued feeding the prisoners as well.  Thus the facilities were available to 
boil water.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Fri Jan  3 07:42:12 PST 1997
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Freedom of speech from an Islamic Point of View -- An Apology
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>   truthsk763@aol.com (Truthsk763) writes:

>  Regarding either prohibiting all offensive speech or none, your point is
>  well taken with the exception of public speech designed to encourage
>  people to violence or other destructive behavior.  In the words of the
>  great U.S. Supreme Court Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr., people cannot
>  be allowed to shout "fire in a crowded movie theatre."  Ideas should not
>  be censored.

	This makes my teeth grate.  First, the actual quote is "falsly shouting fire 
. . . ."   Second, the opinion was written to affirm a criminal conviction (and 20 year 
sentence) for pure political speech (opposition to the draft in WW I) Schenck v. 
U.S. 249 US 47 (1919)

	--YFE 


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   Doc Tavish  writes:
>  Richard Schultz wrote:

>  > Yale F. Edeiken (yawen@enter.net) wrote:
 
>  > : (http://www.pixie.com/%7Ebewise/evidence.html) "Rabbi Reichhorn" pops 
up
>  > : in an article written by Elizabeth Dillings (well-known as a paid
>  > : agent of nazi Germany).
 
>  > Actually, her name was Elizabeth Dilling, but her anti-Semitic ravings
>  > are much more amusing than any of the ones you're likely to find in
>  > this newsgroup.
  
>  This is typically the answer that you liberals always give. Where is
>  there proof that Ms. Dilling was a paid agent of Nazi Germany.

	It was produced during her trial in 1942.

	--YFE

	


From yawen@enter.net Fri Jan  3 20:05:52 PST 1997
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: The revisionist standard of proof
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>     mstein@access5.digex.net (Michael P. Stein) writes:

  
>     Except that you left out the part about your only accepting it if 
>  the
>  report comes out the way you like.  You were also shown a U. S. Army
>  pathology report on tanned human skin panels, and you said (with your
>  usual Because! I! Say! So! evidence) that the reports were frauds. 
>  Therefore I am rather skeptical of your claim that you would accept a
>  report from Dr. Larsen if it did not support you. 
  
>  COMMENT:  Michael, what you write is untrue, for I reject the reports not
>   because I say so, but because Lucius Clay declared them to be frauds.
>    I accept his statement as fact, as wello as the court which declared them
>   to be frauds as well, according to Clay---not me. 

	But you nelgect to tell us what court and where and when.  In fact, the 
hearsay comment attributed to Clay is contradicted by his own autobiography where 
he states "Perhaps I made a mistake."  You you also be able to tell us why this 
court finding was not presented by Clay when he defended himself before a 
congressional committee which *unanimously* condemned him for his handling of 
the Koch case.

>   that such were conducted and that such and such was the result.  I can
>   settle for no less than the actual reports themselves, which were promised
>   to me ages ago.

	You are lying.  They were never pomised to you.  You were told where 
you could find them and told to go look yourself.

	--YFE


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>   mike@aimetering.com (Mike Curtis) writes:
>  Nele Abels  wrote:


>  >"The gassings to place in Camp II". Does this mean "There were now gas 
>  >chambers".
  
>  > Is rlbackmore really so stupid or is he just a clumsy liar??
  
>  If his posts are any indication, I'm beginning to believe that both
>  may be true.

	And he seems to be getting clumsier about it as each one is 
exposed.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   Nele Abels  writes:
>  >  On 1 Jan 1997 rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  >  [Daniel Keren quotes Baer]
>  >  > >  full source: "I commanded only Camp I at Auschwitz. I had nothing
>  >  > >  to do with the camps where the gassings took place. I had no
>  >  > >  influence over them. It was in Camp II, at Birkenau, that the
>  >  > >  gassings took place. That camp was not under my authority".

>  >  [Blackmore answered]
>  >  > You are the liar. Baer said there were no gas chambers and he never saw 
>  >  > them.  
  
>  >  "The gassings to place in Camp II". Does this mean "There were now gas 
>  >  chambers". Is rlbackmore really so stupid or is he just a clumsy liar??

>  Are you stupid, or did you not read that Baer retracted his statement, as
>  some Jews retracted their statements about ritual murders.  Blood Libel vs
>  Gas Libel.--rb

	You have stated it.  But not only do the factual circumstances make it 
doubtful but you have been factually in error about other statements you have 
made about Baer (you stated he retracted it shortly before his trial while, in fact, he 
was never tried).  Now provide a source.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: The Bad German "Gene"
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:

>  COMMENT:  My point is in reply to Goldhagen, who, unless I am mistaken,
>  referred to a Bad gene in germans which made the Holocaust possible.  My
>  "point" is to show that this "bad gene" must exist in every race and 
nationality--even the
>  Jews, who, like Marx,  have often echoed the sentiments expressed by this 
Polish noble.--rb

	You are mistaken.  There was nothing in Goldhagen's book (which is 
extremely popular in Germany) which even resembles your statement.

	Now, anit-Semite, go think up another lie lie for posting your private 
collection of anti-Semitica.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Poor "unbalanced" Jewish gunman
Date: 4 Jan 1997 00:38:40 GMT
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>   dbell@maths.tcd.ie (Derek Bell) writes:
>  -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

>  mgiwer@gte.net (Matt Giwer), posting as kavaliers@hong.kong (Sammy Li) writes:
>  >	Are there any Palestinians here excusing those actions?  Have
>  >you read Arafat or any of his cabinet excusing their actions?  
  
>  	No, but the Holocaust deniers are very silent about it - that is whom I
>  am criticising. Their silence shows that they are partisan, despite trying to
>  pretend to be impartial. But then you knew that.

	Actually the criminal Giwer was not silent about it.  He thought it was agreat 
idea to gun downa 12-year-old girl.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Sat Jan  4 12:39:52 PST 1997
Article: 90975 of alt.revisionism
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Typical 'letter to the editor'
Date: 4 Jan 1997 18:00:20 GMT
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>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) lies again:
>  >	United States aid to Israel is a recent phenomenon. Israel does
>  >not exist because of United States policy nut despite it.
  
>  	Thoroughly idiotic insult to any reader. U.S. support has been
>  there from year one.

	The embargo on arms sales to Israel from the U.S. lasted until 1968.

> It was the activity of the U.S. that overcame the
>  intitial League of Nations overwhelming vote not to sanction the
>  creation of a Jewish state.

	The Palestinian Mandate which called for an immediate establishment 
of a Jewish state passed overwhelmingly in the League of Nations.  The U.S. 
was not a membe of the League of Nations and had not input in their decision.  
Actually there was a separate treaty made between the U.S. and Great Britain 
(which Great Britain violated in several respects) concerning the Palestinian 
Mandate.

> Since then the U.S. has supplied the Jews
>  with everything they want, including nuclear weapons, 

	There were no U.S. arms sold to Israel until France and Great Britain 
embargoed arms sales to Israel in 1967.  The only U.S. arms used in the 1967 
war were a few Sherman tanks obtained from sources other than the U.S.  The 
U.S. has not supplied Israel with nuclear weapons.

>  	The whole documented relationship makes this person's chutzpa -
>  obviously chutzpa. 

	The fact is you are not only an anti-Semite and liar but a very ignorant 
one at that.

	For those interested in a detailed treatment of the dissolution of 
the Ottoman Empire after WWI "A Peace to End All Peace"  (David Fromkin; 
1989) is, dispite its uninspired writing style, recommended.  Most will find some 
surprises in the account.  I doubt it would provide anything for Moran except 
some exercise for his lips.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Sat Jan  4 12:39:53 PST 1997
Article: 90978 of alt.revisionism
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: After PH, FDR wants war, Hitler doesn't
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>   the criminal Giwer rewrites his own words:
>  On 4 Jan 1997 15:28:53 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote in
>  alt.revisionism:

>  >>   the criminal Giwer reprints a post from one of his friends:
>  >>  On 2 Jan 1997 00:34:43 GMT, vindicate8@aol.com wrote in
>  >>  alt.history.what-if:

>  >>  >(1)  "Roosevelt wasted no time in reporting the New Facts.  The destroyer
>  >>  >Greer was attacked by a German submarine:  “She was then and there
>  >>  >attacked by a submarine.  Germany admits that it was a German submarine. 
>  >>  >The submarine deliberately fired a torpedo at the Greer, followed by
>  >>  >another torpedo attack.”  He condemned the attack by defining it as
>  >>  >“piracy — piracy legally and morally.”  Moreover, he compounded Nazi
>  >>  >perfidy by listing other acts of naval violence:  the merchant ship Robin
>  >>  >Moor sunk, a battleship dogged by a German submarine, and the sinking of
>  >>  >the Sesa and Steel Seafarer."

>  >	Which, of course, it was.  In September, 1941, the Greer was 
>  >steaming eastward across the Atlantic.  It was on the high seas, not in a war 
>  >zone.  It was sailing alone, its primary mission the delivery of diplomatic 
>  >dispatches.  It did not participate in any agrssive acts.  Instead the U-boat, for 
>  >reasons which have never been explained, decided to attack this American 
>  >ship.  The Greer fought back against an unprovoked attack.  It was the first 
>  >combat between an American destroyer and a nazi U-boat.

>  >	Good for them! 

>  >>  >(2)  "Second, the president often lies about/or misrepresents the New
>  >>  >Facts.  In truth, Roosevelt used the Greer episode to announce a policy
>  >>  >that had been quietly enacted in mid-August at Argentia, Newfoundland. 
>  >>  >Notwithstanding what Roosevelt said about “Hitler’s propaganda bureau,”
>  >>  >Hitler had studiously avoided an “incident” with the United States. 

>  >	Actually on January 31, 1941, Hitler announced that he would sink any 
>  >U.S. shipping in the North Atlanitc.

>  >>  >Actually, Roosevelt was looking for one.  His policy to shoot at any
>  >>  >German submarine led to the Greer’s chasing the submarine.

>  >	What led to the Greer chasing the submarine was the submarine's 
>  >topedo attack on the Greer.  Shot at, they shot back.

>  >>  After it was
>  >>  >depth-charged by a British airplane, the sub fired in self-defense. 

>  >	The U-boat was not attacked by the Greer nor was it firing in 
>  >self-defense.  It was attacking an American flag ship in international water.

>  >	All will, of course, remember the criminal Giwer's outrage at the attack 
>  >on the Liberty.  He wanted to nuke Israel and applied the label of "fucking Jew 
>  >traitor" to anyone who opined that the attack was different from his nutball 
>  >opinions.

>  >	 Note the different standard he applies to his nazi heroes.

>  	As expected some fruitcake yid jumped in to equate the facts of
>  what really happened with approval of it happening.  In fact there is
>  as much disapproval of FDR as there is for LBJ and Macnamara for not
>  defending the Liberty by splashing the attackers and cratering their
>  airbase as a minimum.  
	  
>  	But to be clear, there is no approval, expressed or implied, of
>  either Germany or Israel for these attacks. 

	Nonsense.  The post you made and you other posts have specifically 
stated that Germany was justified in attacking American ships.  In this post FDR's 
statement is described as "perfidy" and the fraudulent claim made that the U-boat 
fired in self-defense.  It also makes the claim that Hilter was trying to avoid an 
incident which is doubtful.
  
>  	Now let us see the fruitcake insist that there is because its
>  lampshade paranoia needs expression.  

	It is because you have made that explicit statement in the past claiming 
that the actions of the American navy in protecting American merchant shipping was 
a criminal act.

	It is not surpising that you are so afraid of Nizkor.  It exposes your lies with 
regularity.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Sat Jan  4 20:04:05 PST 1997
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: What Do You Know, 'rblackmore' Lies Again (Re: Jewish m
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:

>  >  	I am also aware that he died -- within weeks of making this statement -- 
>  >  before he went to trial.
 
>  >  	Since you have given me the benefit of the doubt, I will do the same 
for 
>  >  you.
  
>  >  	When and where did he retract his admissions?

>  In prison, just before going to trial.--rb

	He never went to trial.  Try again.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Sun Jan  5 01:45:55 PST 1997
Article: 91054 of alt.revisionism
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: how the kike-mouths have quieted
Date: 5 Jan 1997 07:22:42 GMT
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>   hilfen@sie.mir (Doc Marten) writes:
>  	It took a few dozen posts of observations of "kike-mouth
>  syndrome" and then one "hammer over the head" post of the kind of
>  language used by holocaust defenders for them to clean up their act.
>  The mere observation that a media forum discussion would point out the
>  kind of people they are has done wonders to make them clean up their
>  acts.  

	And how many phone calls from gte.net did it take to get the criminal 
Giwer to clean up his act?

>  	Of course there are folks like Judge Dred who will claim every
>  word of it is a lie but DejaNews will contain the proof of it for a
>  very long time.  Additionally complete copies of their posts have been
>  saved independently and for posterity just to show what holocaust
>  defenders are really like.  

	Does this include the posts you forged?
  
>  	So for the time being they have cleaned up their penis oriented
>  posts.  It will only be a matter of time before they claim it never
>  happened.  But then, their posts have been recorded.  

	So have yours, criminal.  So have yours.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Sun Jan  5 20:26:33 PST 1997
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Dilling Demonized- Why?
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:

 
>  >  >  > >  This is typically the answer that you liberals always give. Where is
>  >  >  > >  there proof that Ms. Dilling was a paid agent of Nazi Germany.
   
>  >  >  >         It was produced during her trial in 1942.
  
>  >  >  What was Ms. Dilling tried for? Hate speech?
>  >  >  Doc Tavish
  
>  >  	For being a paid agent of the nazi government.

>  Well, at least she made an honest living!

	Only "blackmore" would describe an American citizen being a paid 
agent of the Third Reich in 1942 "an honest living."

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Blackmore's obtuse Postings
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:

>      Nope. Himmler (inexplicably) gave Morgen carte blanc (until it become
>      embarassing) to investigate _corruption_ in the camps. 
    
>    	It's hardly inexplicable.  Koch and the others were stealing money that, 
>    otherwise, Himmler could have stolen himself.

>  COMMENT:  Of course your explanation is disingenuous.  Himmler was basically
>  incorrupible when it came to money.  But confronting you with the truth is like 
trying
>  to teach a cat to bark and a dog to meow.  Truth does not appear to be in your 
nature.

	Our resident nazi apologist pops up again with another distortion of the 
truth.  Himmler presided over an empire (the SS) which stole money and property 
hand over fist; it was largely financed by that method.  Moreover, the loot he stole 
was often passed out to his cohorts as a reward for services rendered to the SS.  
For example, SS men were often given confiscated (i.e. stolen) Jewish businesses 
at bargain basement prices.  That he personally put none of the spoils in his pocket 
is irrelevant; he was objecting to others stealing what he could have stolen himself.

	A good analogy can be found in the case of Richard J. Daley the Elder, 
mayor of Chicago.  Although he presided over an organization where corruption 
and bribery were endemic and legendary, the are no indications that he put a 
penny in his own pockets (cf. Royko "Boss").  He was, however, vicious and 
vindictive against any person who attempted to interfer with that corruption.

	Providing evidence of the crimes of the nazis to "blackmore" is like 
feeding ipecac to an infant.  A vomitous spew results.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Sun Jan  5 20:26:35 PST 1997
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: After PH, FDR wants war, Hitler doesn't
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>   the criminal Giwer reprints a post from one of his friends:
>  On 2 Jan 1997 00:34:43 GMT, vindicate8@aol.com wrote in
>  alt.history.what-if:

>  >(1)  "Roosevelt wasted no time in reporting the New Facts.  The destroyer
>  >Greer was attacked by a German submarine:  “She was then and there
>  >attacked by a submarine.  Germany admits that it was a German submarine. 
>  >The submarine deliberately fired a torpedo at the Greer, followed by
>  >another torpedo attack.”  He condemned the attack by defining it as
>  >“piracy — piracy legally and morally.”  Moreover, he compounded Nazi
>  >perfidy by listing other acts of naval violence:  the merchant ship Robin
>  >Moor sunk, a battleship dogged by a German submarine, and the sinking of
>  >the Sesa and Steel Seafarer."

	Which, of course, it was.  In September, 1941, the Greer was 
steaming eastward across the Atlantic.  It was on the high seas, not in a war 
zone.  It was sailing alone, its primary mission the delivery of diplomatic 
dispatches.  It did not participate in any agrssive acts.  Instead the U-boat, for 
reasons which have never been explained, decided to attack this American 
ship.  The Greer fought back against an unprovoked attack.  It was the first 
combat between an American destroyer and a nazi U-boat.

	Good for them! 


>  >(2)  "Second, the president often lies about/or misrepresents the New
>  >Facts.  In truth, Roosevelt used the Greer episode to announce a policy
>  >that had been quietly enacted in mid-August at Argentia, Newfoundland. 
>  >Notwithstanding what Roosevelt said about “Hitler’s propaganda bureau,”
>  >Hitler had studiously avoided an “incident” with the United States. 

	Actually on January 1, 1941, Hitler announced that he would sink any 
U.S. shipping in the North Atlanitc.

>  >Actually, Roosevelt was looking for one.  His policy to shoot at any
>  >German submarine led to the Greer’s chasing the submarine.

	What led to the Greer chasing the submarine was the submarine's 
topedo attack on the Greer.  Shot at, they shot back.


>  After it was
>  >depth-charged by a British airplane, the sub fired in self-defense. 

	The U-boat was not attacked by the Greer nor was it firing in 
self-defense.  It was attacking an American flag ship in international water.

	All will, of course, remember the criminal Giwer's outrage at the attack 
on the Liberty.  He wanted to nuke Israel and applied the label of "fucking Jew 
traitor" to anyone who opined that the attack was different from his nutball 
opinions.

	 Note the different standard he applies to his nazi heroes.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Blackmore's obtuse Postings
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>   mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van Alstine) responded to "blackmore's" apology 
for the SS:
>
>  >  his would probably account for the fact why Himmler gave
>  >  Konrad Morgen full authority to investigate Hoess....
  
>  Nope. Himmler (inexplicably) gave Morgen carte blanc (until it become
>  embarassing) to investigate _corruption_ in the camps. 

	It's hardly inexplicable.  Koch and the others were stealing money that, 
otherwise, Himmler could have stolen himself.

	"Follow the money."  Deep Throat, 1973

  
>  For those interested in proof of Mr. Belling's increasingly irrelevant
>  Nazi apologia, intellectual dishonesty, anti-Semitism, and outright lies,
>  please visit:
  
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bellinger.joseph
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bellinger.joseph/1996/blackmore.0996
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bellinger.joseph/1996/blackmore.1096
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bellinger.joseph/1996/blackmore.1196
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bellinger.joseph/1996/blackmore.1296
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bellinger.joseph/1996/tutu101.1296
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bellinger.joseph/lies/whole-truth
  
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bellinger.joseph/1996/anyone-out-there
-12-14

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: What Do You Know, 'rblackmore' Lies Again (Re: Jewish m
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>     yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:

    
>    	"I had nothing to do with the camps where the gassing took place."
    
>    	Apparently you and Baer disagree.

>  Giving you the benefit of the doubt, perhaps you are unaware that baer
>  retracted this statement?

	I am unaware that Baer "retracted" his statement.

	I am aware that Baer was arrested in 1960 and made the statement 
during his preliminary interrogation.

	I am aware that while he was incarcerated in Frankfurt prison in 1961, 
Herman Stoltig asked him how he could have committed the crimes with which 
was charged and Baer replied "You can get used to everything."

	I am also aware that he died -- within weeks of making this statement -- 
before he went to trial.

	Since you have given me the benefit of the doubt, I will do the same for 
you.

	When and where did he retract his admissions?

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Sun Jan  5 20:26:37 PST 1997
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: For the Benefit of Mr. Kike
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>     mstein@access5.digex.net (Michael P. Stein) writes:
   
>       No, "boiling is the safest method" according to your own source.  Now
>   you are actively starting to lie.
  
>  COMMENT:  Now, Mr. Stein, you are beginning to sound like the rest of your
>  colleagues....Perhaps all these manouvers are thought out in advance?  At
>  any rate, chorinating the water will make it potable.

	But "Boiling is the safest method."

>  It seems clear that boiling
>  would be the safest method, yet I have read another source which stated that
>  not all forms of bacteria may be eradicated by boiling.  This source is what I
>  based my initial claim on.  Now, I will need to locate the source again and
>  post it.

	Take you time.  Check with the criminal Giwer.  He might be able to find it 
for you in the same source he used to discover that head lice are the vector for 
typhus.

>  In any event, my general arguments are still valid, boiling or no boiling.
>  It would help if you did not attempt to elaborate or expand upon what is written
>  and suggested in the manual.  It clearly states that  Chlorination is the method of 
choice.-rb

	No it clearly states "Boiling is the safest method."  Chlorination is 
suggested only for logistic reasons. 

>  >     It was you who initially concentrated your apology for Kramer's failure
>  >  to boil on the fact that it was ineffective.  You also dishonestly fail to
>  >  come to terms with what I have written about the overall situation at
>  >  Belsen.  I have admitted on more than one occasion that it is likely that
>  >  Kramer's efforts would not have been 100% successful.  But I have also
>  >  pointed out that this does not excuse making a 0% effort.  You have never
>  >  addressed this point.--MIKE STEIN
  
>  COMMENT:  I have already explained why I argued about the boiling.

	Nonsense.  You told us that boiling was not effective.


>        "Boiling is the safest method." - Blackmore's source
    
>        "[Chlorination is the method of choice] for safety reasons." -

	That statement was not in the manual you quoted.

	And you wonder why people call you a liar?

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Mon Jan  6 06:52:33 PST 1997
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: The issue of free speech
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>   the criminal Giwer writes:
  
>  	Fourth, finding that there is a movement that uses and
>  encourages all kinds of malicious, socially unacceptable and bordering
>  upon if not criminal behavior in an attempt to silence people
>  questioning their holocaust and the political matters related to it,
>  is grounds for taking up arms against them.  American traditions are
>  not for those with religious or tribal loyalties to both object to and
>  pretend to be Americans.  

	Sounds like the criminal Giwer whose tactics have included:

	1.  Sending mailbombs to his opponents:

	2.  harassing ISPs with anonymus hate mail:

	3.  spamming this group:

	4.  criminal harassment:

	5. actionable defamation:

	6.  actionable invasion of privacy:

	7.  forging the names of others:

	8. threats of violence and extra-legal activity:

	9.  attempts at extortion for opposing him:
  	
>  	An American is one who in fact honors the US traditions and his
>  first loyalty is to the traditions of the United States, not to his
>  religion or to his tribe.  

	You honor none.

>  	An American is a person who became an American BECAUSE of the
>  traditions of the US.  

	You honor none.
  
>  	People who are here for other reasons really are invited to go
>  back where they came from.

	When will you be leaving?

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Mon Jan  6 11:26:51 PST 1997
Article: 91424 of alt.revisionism
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Hate Crimes- Will You Do The Extra Time?
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>   the criminal Giwer writes:
>  On 5 Jan 1997 15:52:28 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote in
>  alt.revisionism:
>  >	That is not correct.  Examine the federal sentencing laws on drugs, for 
>  >example.  Many states now impose an additional penalty for committing any crime 
>  >with a gun and/or handgun (an NRA recommendation).  In Pennsylvania driving 
>  >with a suspended license carries a fine; if the suspension was DUI related there 
is 
>  >a mandatory 90 days in jail.  I have also posted the Pennsylvania "thnic 
>  >Intimidation" statute.  In each of these situations no new crime or additional crime 
>  >has been created.

>  >	No.  It is an aggravating factor that evaluates the intent and purpose of 
>  >the crime and imposes an additional penalty for it.  That is, the state has decided 
>  >that they wish to impose a penalty for criminal action they wish to discourage.  In 
>  >many states, for example, the murder of a police officer on duty can bring the 
>  >death penalty for murders that otherwise would carry only life imprisonment 
(check 
>  >out the controversy over the Mumia Jamal case).

>  	Mister I am the Law! continues to assume that speech is also a
>  crime.  Just like a kike.  

	The criminal Giwer is lying again.  Apparently he enjoys it.  One hopes he 
will enjoy explaining this stament to the jury.  You had better tell your monitor at 
gte.net that you stuck your foot in it again.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Mon Jan  6 16:24:23 PST 1997
Article: 91460 of alt.revisionism
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Swiss Pres. says Jewish Scheme - "extortion"
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>   chall@eco.twg.com (Charles Don Hall) writes:
>  In article <32ddf9d6.14374916@199.0.216.204>,
>  tom moran  wrote:

>  >	I this case, instead of just a statue of Moran alone, Moran
>  >suggest a statue in a Swiss rotunda featuring a sitting Mr.Zundel, ala
>  >Pharaoh style, with a little Moran sitting on his lap. 
  
>  This must be the famous "Statue of Limitations" that I've heard
>  so much about!

	Or the "Statue of Frauds"

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Mon Jan  6 18:17:17 PST 1997
Article: 91465 of alt.revisionism
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Ferdinand Lassalle on the Jews
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>     klewis@awinc.com (Ken Lewis) writes:

>    
>    {Big snip of Mr. Bellingers anti-semitism}

>  I do not know Mr. Covington.

	No.  You just exchange anti-Semitic accusations andpleasantries with a 
total stranger.


>  through alt. revisionism on his own.  I have my reasons for posting
>  this, and my non existant alleged anti-Semitism has nothing to do
>  with it.

	You anti-Semitism has been demonstrated by your own words.

>  If anyone has demonstarated anti-Semitism, it is Lasselle.
>  Now, the reason for the quote?  It is simply one among many I
>  intend to post in the future to completely confound the arguments
>  of Daniel Goldhagen and his ridiculous thesis that the Germans have
>  a "bad gene" which predisposed them to anti-Semitism.  Consequently,
>  these quotes are now VERY relevant to the Holocaust, thanks to your
>  buddy Goldhagen opening the door wide enough for me to stick my foot 
>  in......rb

	it's a foot riddled with bulletholes.  There is no such "thesis" in 
Goldhagen's book.  You are just lying again.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: the Criminal Giwer Goes Banannas
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>   Freedom@Speech.FORREAL (Mad Max) writes:
>  	The following is the kind of thing that a kike thinks is cute.
>  You will note that it comes from an edu source in Canada, Vancouver
>  more specifically.  It is a typical kike attack by a rabid fundie
>  kike.  

	When did the criminal Giwer move to Vancouver?


>  	This is not to make an issue of it.  I get them all the time.  

	In all probability becasue the Criminal Giwer sends them to himself.
  
>  	The issue here is that it narrows the list of usual suspects
>  down to YFE and Alec Grynspan, the former for the fake legal jargon,
>  the latter for the confusion between FIDO and internet packets.  


	Or perhaps its from the Criminal Giwer since it follows his foul-mouthed 
pattern.  

>  To the stupid criminal Matt Giwer:

	At least he knows who you are.
  
>  I did it. You know who I am, and there's nothing you can do about it.
>  It's anonymous. I can say whatever I want about you anonymously, and
>  there's nothing you can do about it.

	He's right.  Not because the statements are correct but because the 
criminal Giwer hasn't the intelligence to deal with him.
  
>  On the other hand, you molester of small children, gte.net is
>  monitoring and saving your every outgoing packet and handing them over
>  to the Tampa PD.

	It happens to be true gte is saving every message sent by the criminal 
Giwer.  Whether they are giving them to the Tampa PD or not is unknown.  They 
will, however, be turning them over to me. 

>  You have fucked yourself up the fucking ass, criminal.
  
>  Yes Entirely.

  
>  	So despite the disclaimer of John Morris that there are no
>  credible suspects we clearly have both YFE and Alec Grynspan as very
>  credible suspects.  I can understand that he did not find his fellow
>  tribesrats credible suspects but that does not change reality that
>  they in fact are credible suspects.  

	The criminal Giwer had better be able to sit in the witness box and be 
able to prove these allegations.
  
>  	But it is not really important that we note the particular acts
>  of kikes.  It is only worth the time to note what kikes do.  And this
>  is a particular kike who implicitely states that it is a lying kike,
>  as are they all.  

	I would like to thank the criminal Giwer for adding to the punitive 
damages.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: BEHOLD -  The Holocaust House of Cards
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>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:


>  >>  	From reading the various accounts of Ho'ss' testimony

>  >	In other words, you have *not* read Hoess's testimony.  This makes 
>  >your commentary on it -- which is filled with inaccuracies -- totally worthless.
>  >
>  >	--YFE
>  
>  	"Inaccuracies" you say?

	Yes.  I said it.  I realize that the word inaccuracties is not in the Dick 
and Jane vocabulary.  Look it uu.

> "Filled" you say?

	Yes.  I said that as well.  I can understand hoe, with your limited 
knowledge of the English language, that you could stumbler over "inaccuracies" 
but I wonder why you don't understand "filled."

> Okay. You said it.

	And you still haven't red Hoess' memoirs.

	--YFE  
>>>>



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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Blackmore's obtuse Postings
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>   rblackmore@juno.com who never met a nazi he didn't like writes:
>     yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>  
>  
>    	Providing evidence of the crimes of the nazis to "blackmore" is like 
>    feeding ipecac to an infant.  A vomitous spew results.
  
>  COMMENT:  And you appear to have diarrhea of the mouth.  At any rate,
>  Himmler WAS incorruptible

	He was a thief.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Blackmore's research
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   mstein@access5.digex.net (Michael P. Stein) writes:

  
>  >       How is it then, Mr. Blackmore, that Mr. Curtis is able to provide
>  >  large citations from references without (as you insinuate) research, while
>  >  you always plead that you must get back to us with your evidence?  (And
>  >  often either fail to do so or turn out to be inaccurate.)

>  Well, the answers to your questions have been written many times before.  
Perhaps you
>  did not read them.  Mr. Curtis does indeed provide large citations.  TOO large, 
IMO.  He often
>  reposts excerpts I have already posted in support of my arguments

	Frequently demonstrating that you have distorted or concealed the 
meaning.  One of your primary techniques.

>  re-interpret the material in his own image.  Often it is not a simple matter for me to 
immediately
>  access a source, as I have too many books.  I get to them as I can, when I can. 
 I also take
>  exception to your comment that my evidence turns out to be inaccurate.  

	Take all the exceptions you want; that is what happens.  Moreover it is 
fairly obvious that you fabricate and then make your phony claims about it being in 
a booksomewhere that you cannot find.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Dilling Demonized- Why?
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:

>  >  >  >  >  > >  This is typically the answer that you liberals always give. Where 
is
>  >  >  >  >  > >  there proof that Ms. Dilling was a paid agent of Nazi Germany.

>  >  >  >  >  >         It was produced during her trial in 1942.
    
>  >  >  >  >  What was Ms. Dilling tried for? Hate speech?
>  >  >  >  >  Doc Tavish
    
>  >  >  >  	For being a paid agent of the nazi government.
  
>  >  >  Well, at least she made an honest living!
  
>  >  	Only "blackmore" would describe an American citizen being a paid 
>  >  agent of the Third Reich in 1942 "an honest living."

>  And what would you call the Rosenberg's paid treason to the United States?
>  Or Pollards sale of high security U.S. documents to Israel?  Is this less than the
>  honest living Ms. Dilling pursued?--rb

	Here we have the typical technique of "blackmore" an anti-Semite who 
never met a nazi he did not like.  First he describes treason as an "honest living" 
and then tries to smear others.

	This foul little liar cannot show a single instance where I (or anybody 
else) has attempted to justify the acts of either the Rosenbergs or Pollard.  Yet he 
will imply that.

	When class was passed out "blackmore" was otherwise occupied.  
He's nothing but another Giwer.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: The "Bad" German gene--Karl Marx's Letter
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:

>  >  >  >   ibokor@metz.une.edu.au (ibokor) writes:
  
>  >  >  >  "Marx, Karl Heinrich (1818-1883), German philospher of
>  >  >  >  history....was born, May 5, 181, of Jewish parents  in
>  >  >  >  the town of Treves (Trier) in Rhenish Prussia. In 1824
>  >  >  >  his father, a lawyer, ... embraced Christianity and all
>  >  >  >  members of the family were baptized as Protestants."
    
>  >  >  >  p. 993 of Volume 14 of the Encyclopaedia Britannica (1962).
  
>  >  >  COMMENT:  Karl Marx is just what I wrote he was--the son of a Rabbi.  
That
>  >  >  his father decided to convert to Christianity does not change the fact that 
he
>  >  >  was a Rabbi.  Anything furhter to add to that?--rb
  
>  >  	Yes.  His father was was not a rabbi.  Read the above citation.

>  Wrong, Yale, according to other sources, in particular, Karl Marx-Satanist--
>  his father was indeed once a rabbi

	Can you quote soe of those sources for us?

	Or we will be treated to another rendition of the song "Tomorrow?"

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: 970105: Housekeeping Time
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>   Gord McFee  writes:
>  Hilary Ostrov wrote:


>  > >*       There is a new Revisionist research service available at the Fenix
>  > >site called Belling Books.  I have used it in the past and have found it
>  > >both prompt and reliable.  For those of you into research, set some time
>  > >aside to get a feel for all the books and documents out there you 
haven't
>  > >yet had a chance to read.  www.smartnet.net/~fbooks

>  > How fascinating!  Belling Books!
  
>  [Belling Books blurb deleted]
   
>  > These names sure do ring a familiar bell.  Not much of a corporate
>  > image for "Belling's Books" though, if payments are to be made to
>  > "Cash" or "J. Bellinger."
  
>  Mercy mercy, Ms. Ostrov.  What an interesting discovery you have made. 
>  I will be interested to see the blushing Belling's, oops--I mean
>  bride's--response.  :-)

	He'll tell us that his niece did it.

	--YFE


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Article: 91544 of alt.revisionism
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Why is "Holocaust Denial" a bad thing?
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>   "Anthony Sabatini"  writes:
>  Doc Marten  wrote in article

>  > myself as a quick introduction not only to revisionism but what the
>  > holohuggers demand you believe ELSE you are considered an
>  > anti-semitic, nazi [obscenity.]  You will be truly amazed at what you
>  > are required to believe.  
  
>  This goes back to my original question. Can anyone deny that choosing not
>  to believe current thinking regarding the Holocaust causes one to be
>  branded "Nazi", et. al?
  
>  For example, suppose I choose to believe the events of the Holocaust were
>  grossly exaggerated (for political reasons on the part of the "winners"
>  [i.e., the Allies]). In this case, would I really be branded anti-Semitic?
>  If so, why?

	Probably not.  But if you told us that the "kikes" were responsible, you 
probably would.

	--YFE


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Article: 91552 of alt.revisionism
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Leuchter and Nizkook Kentral
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>   the Criminal Giwer writes:
>  On Sun, 5 Jan 1997 09:12:58, joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg)
>  wrote in alt.revisionism:

>  >Leuchter's problem isn't that Leuchter isn't a "scientist"; his problem is 
>  >that he represented himself as an engineer (among other things) without 
being 
>  >an engineer (among other things).  
  
>  	Engineer means not a thing in law in the US as you well know.
>  If you claim otherwise you are clearly lying but then as a kike you
>  are expected to lie.  

	It is always possible to tell when the criminal Giwer is about to retail 
one of his larger whoppers.  He always tells us that we know it is true.  One 
wonders if he gets hot flashes in the middle of the night,  sitting up in bed and 
clapping his hand to his forehead as he decides, once more, to rewrite that 
which is and pretend he is doing something else.  What I *do* know is the 
following:

	"In order to safeguard life, health or property and to promote the 
general welfare, it is unlawful for any person to practice or to offer to practice 
engineering in this Commonwealth, unless he is licensed and registered under 
the laws of this Commonwealth as a professional engineer. . . . ."

	63 Purdon's Statutes section 150 (a)

	One wonders if the criminal Giwer ever tires of making an idiot of 
himself in public.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: how the kike-mouths have quieted
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>   Gord McFee  writes:
>  Mad Max wrote:

>  > On Sun, 5 Jan 1997 09:08:56, joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg)
>  > wrote in alt.revisionism:

>  > >>        So for the time being they have cleaned up their penis oriented
>  > >>posts.  It will only be a matter of time before they claim it never
>  > >>happened.  But then, their posts have been recorded.

>  > >Your mother still dresses you funny.  And she swims after troop ships.
 
>  >         And here we have another example of the intellectual level of
>  > the defenders of the holocaust.  Thank you for the quote.  You take
>  > them as you find them.
  
>  You poor gutless frightened old shit, Matty.  Yale Edeiken must really
>  have you quaking in your boots for you to resort to the tired old "I'll
>  try to bai people into insulting me so I can tell the jury that everyone
>  here does it".  Man, have you ever misread this one.  

	You will note, of course, that the criminal Giwer has been posting 
recently from AOL.  Bur, of course, he never heard a word from gte.

	--YFE


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Article: 91629 of alt.revisionism
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: The "Bad" German gene--Karl Marx's Letter
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   ibokor@metz.une.edu.au (ibokor) writes:

>  >  "Marx, Karl Heinrich (1818-1883), German philospher of
>  >  history....was born, May 5, 181, of Jewish parents  in
>  >  the town of Treves (Trier) in Rhenish Prussia. In 1824
>  >  his father, a lawyer, ... embraced Christianity and all
>  >  members of the family were baptized as Protestants."
  
>  >  p. 993 of Volume 14 of the Encyclopaedia Britannica (1962).

>  COMMENT:  Karl Marx is just what I wrote he was--the son of a Rabbi.  That
>  his father decided to convert to Christianity does not change the fact that he
>  was a Rabbi.  Anything furhter to add to that?--rb

	Yes.  His father was was not a rabbi.  Read the above citation.

	--YFE


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Article: 91726 of alt.revisionism
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: 970105: Housekeeping Time
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>   John.Morris@UAlberta.CA (John Morris) writes:

#>  >>  Hilary Ostrov wrote:

#>  > >*       There is a new Revisionist research service available at the Fenix
#>  >>  > >site called Belling Books.  I have used it in the past and have found it
#>  >>  > >both prompt and reliable.  For those of you into research, set some time
#>  >>  > >aside to get a feel for all the books and documents out there you 
#>  >haven't
#>  >>  > >yet had a chance to read.  www.smartnet.net/~fbooks
  
#>  >>  > How fascinating!  Belling Books!
    
#>  >>  [Belling Books blurb deleted]
    
#>  >>  > These names sure do ring a familiar bell.  Not much of a corporate
#>  >>  > image for "Belling's Books" though, if payments are to be made to
#>  >>  > "Cash" or "J. Bellinger."

  
>  Let's review the bidding:
  
>  Joseph Bellinger wrote a delightful antisemitic lyric which he shared
>  with the National Socialist White People's Party mailing list;
  
>  Joseph Bellinger has a used bookstore which shares a web page with a
>  neo-Nazi "e-zine," a neo-Nazi book service, and another service which
>  does Nazi pseudo-memorabilia coffee mugs;
  
>  Joseph Bellinger has just posted a slough of antisemitic quotes to
>  alt.revisionism;
  
>  Joseph Bellinger can't seem to find a Nazi he doesn't like;
  
>  Joseph Bellinger regularly attempts to excuse Nazi atrocities by
>  posting dubious examples of Allied atrocities;
  
>  Joseph Bellinger declares that the Holocaust was a hoax;
  
>  Joseph Bellinger blubbers about how mean everyone is to him while
>  himself indulging in scurrilous insults.


  
>  Only two conclusions can be reached:
  
>  Joseph Bellinger is, and always had been, an honest inquirer after
>  truth in history;
  
>  Joseph Bellinger is a sucky baby.
  
>  Note: only one of these conclusions is meant to be ironic. Can you
>  guess which one?



	"Even a dog distinguishes between being stumbled over and being 
kicked." Oliver Wendell Holmes (1881)

	--YFE	


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Leuchter and Nizkook Kentral
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>   mgiwer@aol.com (Mgiwer) writes:

    
>  >  	Engineer means not a thing in law in the US as you well know.
>  >  If you claim otherwise you are clearly lying but then as a kike you
>  >  are expected to lie.  

	To which it was pointed out:
  
>  	It is always possible to tell when the criminal Giwer is about to
>  retail 
>  one of his larger whoppers.  He always tells us that we know it is true. 
>  One 
>  wonders if he gets hot flashes in the middle of the night,  sitting up in
>  bed and 
>  clapping his hand to his forehead as he decides, once more, to rewrite
>  that 
>  which is and pretend he is doing something else.  What I *do* know is the 
>  following:
  
>  	"In order to safeguard life, health or property and to promote the
>  
>  general welfare, it is unlawful for any person to practice or to offer to
>  practice 
>  engineering in this Commonwealth, unless he is licensed and registered
>  under 
>  the laws of this Commonwealth as a professional engineer. . . . ."
  
>  	63 Purdon's Statutes section 150 (a)
  
>  	One wonders if the criminal Giwer ever tires of making an idiot of
>  
>  himself in public.
  

>    One often wonders what this lying kike has for breakfast that makes him
>  such an inveterate deceiver.  Must be a tribal trait.  
>     Lets see, Penn State has an acoustics lab.  They practice acoustical 
>  engineering.  They are not licensed.  Turn 'em in, dummy.  
>     General Electric has a couple of "minor" facilities in the state.  They
>  practice electronic, nuclear and power engineering.  They are not
>  licensed.  Turn 'em in, dummy.  

	And your basis for stating that is?
  
>     To clear up this deliberate deception by the tribesman, such references
>  are to civil and construction engineering.  This YFE spook is rather
>  compulsive in his efforts to fit the description Adolph gave of his fellow
>  tribesmen.  


	Then perhaps the criminal Giwer will explain this provision of law:

	"'Practice of Engineering" shall mean the application of he mathmatical 
and physical sciences for the design of public or private buildings, structures, 
machines, equipment, processes, works or engineering systems, and the 
consultation, investigation, evaluation, engineering surveys, construction 
management, planning and inspection in connection therewith, the performance of 
the foregoing acts and services being prohibited to persons who are not licensed 
under this act as professional engineers unless exempt under other provisions of 
this act."  63 Purdon's Statutes section 149 (a)(1)

	Anyone familiar with the English language can discern that that this is not 
limited to "civil and construction engineering."  Moreover it would seem to 
specifically apply to the experise claimed by Leucther.

	Does the criminal Giwer ever tire of being wrong?

	If so, why doesn't he open a book before he opens his foul mouth?



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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Dilling Demonized- Why?
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>   the criminal Giwer misreads the Constitution again:
>  On 6 Jan 1997 23:44:19 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote in
>  alt.revisionism:
    
>  >>  >  >  >  	For being a paid agent of the nazi government.
  
>  >>  >  >  Well, at least she made an honest living!
  
>  >>  >  	Only "blackmore" would describe an American citizen being a paid 
>  >>  >  agent of the Third Reich in 1942 "an honest living."

>  >>  And what would you call the Rosenberg's paid treason to the United States?
>  >>  Or Pollards sale of high security U.S. documents to Israel?  Is this less than 
the
>  >>  honest living Ms. Dilling pursued?--rb

>  >	Here we have the typical technique of "blackmore" an anti-Semite who 
>  >never met a nazi he did not like.  First he describes treason as an "honest 
living" 
>  >and then tries to smear others.
  
>  	Treason?  First the man correctly says sedition.  Then he
>  changed it incorrectly to treason.  Today the crime would be failure
>  to register as a paid agent.  What a crime!  

	Since we were at war with the country paying her, it was treason.  Read 
the Constitution.

	It's nice to that the criminal Giwer endorses treason.

	--YFE
	


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Leuchter and Giwerkook Central
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>   mstein@access4.digex.net (Michael P. Stein) writes:
>  In article <32cf4117.22231333@news.gte.net>,
>  Matt Giwer (mgiwer@gte.net) under the name
>  Doc Marten  wrote:
>  >	One of the most amusing things to note is the Nizkook Kentral
>  >condemnation of Leuchter for not being a scientist and the
>  >pronouncements of non-scientists explaining science to those who are
>  >scientists.

>      The condemnation of Leuchter is for making a false claim of being an
>  engineer in order to trick people into giving his claims more weight than
>  they should have.
  
>      But why should confessed liar Matt Giwer tell the truth about this
>  when he has lied so many other times? 

	Even more amusing than his lies are his opnions on legal matters.  On 
this point the criminal Giwer has stated that (1) engineers aren't licensed and (2) all 
you have to do to represent yourself as an "engineer" is to be self-employed and 
give yourself the job title.  As usual the criminal was talking trough his hat. 
Pennsylvania (and from personal knowledge Illinois) licenses engineers the law 
stating:

	"In order to safeguard life, health or property and to promote the general 
welfare, it is unlawful for any person to practice or to offer to practice engineering 
in this Commonwealth, unless he is licensed and registered under the laws of this 
this Commonwealth as a professional engineer . . . "  63 Purdon's Statutes 150 (a)

	The laws further provide:

	"The practice of engineering, of land surveying and of geology being 
the function of an individual or of individuals working in concerted effdrt, it shall be 
unlawful for any firm or corporation to engage in such practice, or to offer to 
practice, or to assume  use or advertise any title or description conveying the 
impression that such firm or corporation is engaged in or is offering to practice 
such profession, unless the directing heads and employes [sic] od such firm or 
corporation in responsible charge of its activities in the practice of engineering are 
licensed and registered in conformity with requirements of this act . . . ." 63 
Purdon's Statutes 153

	Moreover the definition for engineering contained in this act clearly 
include the services that Leuchter claimed to provide:

	"Practice of Engineering" shall mean te application of the mathmatical 
and physical sciences for the design of public or private buildings, structures, 
amchines, equipment, processes, works or engineering systems, and the 
consultation, investigation, evaluation, engineering surveys, construction 
management, planning and inspection in connection therewith, the performance 
of the foregoing acts and services veing prohibited to persons who are not 
licensed under this act as professional engineers unless otherwise exempt under 
other provisions of this act."  63 Purdon's Statutes 149 (a)(1).

	Time required on Premise (legal research software) to find and print out 
the sections that prove the criminal Giwer -- as usual -- did not know what he was 
talking about 6 minutes, 32 seconds.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Hate Crimes- Will You Do The Extra Time?
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>   dvdthomas@aol.com (DvdThomas) writes:
>  Andy Walton gives some comparisons of "hate crime" laws to existing
>  combined offenses laws already on the books, making the point that the
>  concept of speech being part of what is called a hate crime is no
>  different than what exists, and does not constitute restriction of free
>  speech.  It is this erroneous comparison that I wish to address, not
>  anything else in the thread.

>  charge.  The intent is to say that if you engage in reckless behavior
>  outside the law, then any and all damages which occur are deemed to be
>  your fault.  Two crimes committed together will elevate the penalty.  One
>  crime escalates the penalty for a concurrent second one.

	That is not correct.  Examine the federal sentencing laws on drugs, for 
example.  Many states now impose an additional penalty for committing any crime 
with a gun and/or handgun (an NRA recommendation).  In Pennsylvania driving 
with a suspended license carries a fine; if the suspension was DUI related there is 
a mandatory 90 days in jail.  I have also posted the Pennsylvania "thnic 
Intimidation" statute.  In each of these situations no new crime or additional crime 
has been created.

  
>  Note that hate crime laws state that if you commit a crime against someone
>  and exhibit one of several actions designated as de facto evidence of hate
>  held for that individual or their ethnic group (politically incorrect
>  speech being one of the factos) then the normal sentence for the crime
>  itself is increased.  But this increase is not based on the same criteria
>  described in the last paragraph.  Hate crimes are not based on a serious
>  crime elevating the punishment for another committed during the process of
>  another crime.  Instead of two crimes, you have a crime as the base, and
>  speech as the elevator.  The analogy doesn't work unless speech itself is
>  deemed a crime.

	No.  It is an aggravating factor that evaluates the intent and purpose of 
the crime and imposes an additional penalty for it.  That is, the state has decided 
that they wish to impose a penalty for criminal action they wish to discourage.  In 
many states, for example, the murder of a police officer on duty can bring the 
death penalty for murders that otherwise would carry only life imprisonment (check 
out the controversy over the Mumia Jamal case).

	Yes, Mr. Thomas, I have snipped some of your post.  I do not think it 
affects the meaning.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Wed Jan  8 22:15:56 PST 1997
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Leuchter and Nizkook Kentral
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the criminal Giwer provided another reason why he is such a laughing stock when 
he announced:

>  >  >  	Engineer means not a thing in law in the US as you well know.
>  >  >  If you claim otherwise you are clearly lying but then as a kike you
>  >  >  are expected to lie.  
  
	To which it was pointed out:
    

#  >  	"In order to safeguard life, health or property and to promote the
#  >  general welfare, it is unlawful for any person to practice or to offer
#  >to  practice   engineering in this Commonwealth, unless he is licensed and 
#>registered  under 
#  >  the laws of this Commonwealth as a professional engineer. . . . ."
    
#  >  	63 Purdon's Statutes section 150 (a)


	Unable to back up his claim the criminal Giwer decided to display his 
bigotry

>  >     To clear up this deliberate deception by the tribesman, such
>  references
>  >  are to civil and construction engineering. 

	First, the criminal Giwer's claim that the word "engineer" was not part of 
U.S. law.  Having been proved wrong he tries another tac, which is equally 
erroneous for:

#>  	"'Practice of Engineering" shall mean the application of he
#>  mathmatical   and physical sciences for the design of public or private buildings,
#>  structures,   machines, equipment, processes, works or engineering systems, 
#>and the consultation, investigation, evaluation, engineering surveys, construction
#>  management, planning and inspection in connection therewith, the
#>  performance of   the foregoing acts and services being prohibited to persons 
#>who are not licensed  under this act as professional engineers unless exempt 
#>under other  provisions of  this act."  63 Purdon's Statutes section 149 (a)(1)
  
>  	Anyone familiar with the English language can discern that that
>  this is not   limited to "civil and construction engineering."  Moreover it would 
>seem  to  specifically apply to the experise claimed by Leucther.
  
	Having ben made an ass of twice the Criminal Giwer attempts to blow 
some smoke:

>      Since it confirms exactly what I said

	The criminal Giwer is lying again,  There is no language in this statute 
whcih limits its application to "civil engineering" or "construction."  It applies 
generally to engineering and defines that term to include machines, equipment, and 
processes.  It would specifically apply to what Leuchter was fraudulently claiming 
expertise.

	Does the criminal Giwer *ever* know what he is talking about.	

	--YFE	


From yawen@enter.net Thu Jan  9 08:38:52 PST 1997
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: BEHOLD -  The Holocaust House of Cards
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>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:

  
>  	From reading the various accounts of Ho'ss' testimony

	In other words, you have *not* read Hoess's testimony.  This makes 
your commentary on it -- which is filled with inaccuracies -- totally worthless.

	--YFE



From yawen@enter.net Thu Jan  9 08:38:53 PST 1997
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Subject: Re: The Joys of Yiddish
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>     dbell@maths.tcd.ie (Derek Bell) writes:

    
>    	Ah, so you admit being an antisemite?
  
>  COMMENT:  I admit no such thing, because I am not.--rb

	Where have I heard this before.

	"I want to emphasize here that I never personally hated the Jews."

	Rudolph Hoess (1947)
  
>   Do you still insist that "kike"
>    is not an antisemitic term?

>  COMMENT:  yes.  It could be used as an anti-Semitic term, depending upon the
>  usage.  My use of it, OBVIOUSLY, when taken in context with the Beatle's
>  tune, shows it was meant as satire.  if you fail to see it, it is because you
>  find it convenient to do so.--rb

	If he fails to do so it is becasue you are lying again.

	--YFE


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Subject: Re: Typical Unsigned Editorial
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>   dvdthomas@aol.com (DvdThomas) writes:
>  A groundless retort from Hilary Ostrov to Tom Moran:

>  >Btw, you seem to have a problem with "unsigned editorials."  If you
>  >were to actually _read_ newspapers, Li'l Tommy, you would discover
>  >that most (if not all) editorials are unsigned - even when (like most
>  >of them) they are not written by those wascally Jooooos
  
>  His words, assuming you read them, take exception to the editorial itself,
>  not the fact that it's unsigned.  What, exactly, do you base that
>  statement on?

	He also repeats several times that it was "unsigned" which is the 
standard procedure for newpaper editorials.

	Trying to interpret l'il tommy's various rantings can be an amusing 
exercise, but since you imply that you might be up to this daunting task perhaps you 
will give us the meaning of this l'il tommy classic:

	"I am not the one decrying the Holocaust with a Holocaust boasted of."

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Thu Jan  9 08:38:55 PST 1997
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   The Criminal Giwer forges again:
>  On 6 Jan 1997 23:34:27 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote in
>  alt.revisionism:

>  >>   rblackmore@juno.com who never met a nazi he didn't like writes:
>  >>  COMMENT:  And you appear to have diarrhea of the mouth.  At any rate,
>  >>  Himmler WAS incorruptible

>  >	He was a thief.

>  	"He was like Mayer Daley."  -- YFE

	You are, as usual a filthy liar.  No such statement as you place in 
quotation marks was ever made.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: The Joys of Yiddish
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>   the criminal Giwer writes:
>  On 3 Jan 1997 18:02:15 -0000, dbell@maths.tcd.ie (Derek Bell) wrote in
>  alt.revisionism:

>  >rblackmore@juno.com writes in a rare moment of honesty:
>  >>In 1699 Johann Christoph Wagenseil published his "Instruction in the
>  >>Jewish-German Manner of Reading and Writing".  In it, he wrote:
>  >>[antisemitic diatribe deleted for brevity]

>  >	Ah, so you admit being an antisemite? Do you still insist that "kike"
>  >is not an antisemitic term?
  
>  	Kike is not anti-semitic.  Was that so hard?  

	For the criminal Giwer, lying is never hard.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   Marty Kelley  writes:

>  All I can think of as I read this thread is Mark Twain's comment that
>  "Wagner's music isn't nearly as bad as it sounds"....

	As for me, I prefer Spike Jones.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   the Criminal Giwer is even more incherent than usual:
>       Lets review the bidding here.

	Sure.  But let's count the lies.


>  A couple weeks ago I hear that you and
>  YFE are making death threats against me. 

	Lie #1

>Then you folks claim it really
>  means that GTE has called me and that I have to post differently and have
>  to make changes to my website.  

	Lie #2


>       Now suddenly GTE is gratuitously given him everything copies of
>  everything I post.  I was unaware GTE was so generous.

	Lie #3

>       Now lets see, YFE got the balls to file a criminal complaint and they
>  have been supeonaed by the police but he does not get them.

	Lie #4

>  Or he has
>  filed a civil complaint and has supeonaed in preparation for it but forgot
>  to pay for service. 

	Lie #5

>       Or two children think they are being clever when in fact they are
>  mere silly.  

	If the criminal Giwer only knew how loud the laughter really is.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Sat Jan 11 07:22:17 PST 1997
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Typical Nature of Holocaust Accounts
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>   mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van Alstine) writes:
>  In article <32d559c3.474991@199.0.216.204>, tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) 
wrote:

>  >         Jamie specializes in making rash exaggerated blurts like the one
>  > here where he says Treblinka was flattened "years" before the Russians
>  > took over.
>  Rather, it is _most_ comforting to realize that the Moran(tm) appears to
>  represent the typical denier "mentality." (Or lack thereof!)  Pogo,
>  undoubtably, would be _most_ amused at being so _convincingly_ vindicated!

	When describing L'il Tommy, Porky Pine put it much better than Pogo:

	"Talking's one thing; saying something is another matter entirely."

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Leuchter and Nizkook Kentral
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>   the Criminal Giwer spews:

>  On 7 Jan 1997 00:08:45 GMT, yawen@enter.net Mister (Yale F.  "I am the
>  LAW!" Edeiken) wrote in alt.revisionism:

>  >	It is always possible to tell when the criminal Giwer is about to retail 
>  >one of his larger whoppers.  He always tells us that we know it is true.  One 
>  >wonders if he gets hot flashes in the middle of the night,  sitting up in bed 
and 
>  >clapping his hand to his forehead as he decides, once more, to rewrite that 
>  >which is and pretend he is doing something else.  What I *do* know is the 
>  >following:

>  >	"In order to safeguard life, health or property and to promote the 
>  >general welfare, it is unlawful for any person to practice or to offer to 
practice 
>  >engineering in this Commonwealth, unless he is licensed and registered 
under 
>  >the laws of this Commonwealth as a professional engineer. . . . ."

>  >	63 Purdon's Statutes section 150 (a)

>  >	One wonders if the criminal Giwer ever tires of making an idiot of 
>  >himself in public.
  
>  	Silly shit has already been answered by Mr. Giwer from AOL.
>  Silly shit is still a silly shit. 

	Apparently the criminal Giwer is the "silliuest shit" of all.

	I can't wait for the jury to hear this one.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   the Criminal Giwer lies again:
>  On Fri, 10 Jan 1997 16:30:12 -0600, Doc Tavish 
>  wrote in alt.revisionism:

>  >> I don't have any stats, but I have noted that around here, at least, that
>  >> invariably the perpetrators of hate crimes immediately and loudly disavow any
>  >> connection with hate groups, particularly when the issue of sentencing comes
>  >> up.

  
>  	It is rather disgusting and immature for anyone to pick a fight
>  and then claim special protection as this YFE fellow has done.  

	Sorry, criminal.  You picked this fight.  You were asked not to send me 
email.  Your response was "I am tired of your shit. Fuck off."  followed by a dose of 
your virulent anti-Semitism.

	This is a fight *you* picked, bucko.  Stop whining and stop lying.

  
	And start looking for an new ISP.  AOL doesn't want you either.

	--YFE


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	"One group [of those at sick call] was admitted to the hospital as normal 
patients; the other was to be given lethal injections.  Immediately afterward the 
record office received the patient's sick card with the note 'to be stricken off.'

	"It was my task to invent a diagnosis and cause of death for each of 
them.  In addition we had to write a letter to camp headquarters for each of the 
dead. We had a [model] letter which read approximately as follows:

	"Prisoner No._____ (last name and first name) died on ______, 194__, in 
the hospital at Auschwitz concentration camp.  He was admitted on _______ (date 
at least one week earlier) because of fever and pain on the left side of the chest.  A 
careful clinical examination and analysis of X-rays resulted in a diagnosis of 
pneumonia in the left lobe.  The illness was complicated by weakness of the heart, 
which was treated by every cardiac medication.  The patient died after prolonged 
suffering on _______ at _______ o'clock.  Cause of death: Heart failure and 
pnuemonia.

	"Signed, the Camp Doctor.

	"With these letters the SS murderers believed they could cover up their 
shenanigans in case of a possible investigation.  One can easily imagine our 
feelings in the records office when we had to fill out death certificates, often for 
acquaintances and comrades who were friends, and when we saw comrades who 
were often not even sick but merely starving taken away for lethal injections."

	Leo Eitinger, Drontheim -- prisoner clerk in the records office of the 
Auschwitz "hospital"

	Printed in The Buchenwald Report (compiled April-May 1945) translated 
by David A. Hackett.

	--YFE


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Subject: Re: ATTN: Mr. K. McVay
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>   the criminal Giwer writes:
>  On Sun, 12 Jan 1997 09:06:03, joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg)
>  wrote in alt.revisionism:

>  >You're leaving out a step.  Please demonstrate that it is illegal under 
>  >either US or Canadian law to keep an accurate archives of your public
>  >postings contrary to your wishes.  Case law, please; your personal 
>  >interpretations of statutes aren't of interest.  

>  >Take your time.  
  
>  	It has been done.  We do not back up for late comers.  

	Actually. it hasn't.  You made your usual ipse dixit statements, lied 
about the intent, and failed to provide a single citation other than your 
imagination.  It was your usual laughable performance.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Mon Jan 13 08:06:26 PST 1997
Article: 92637 of alt.revisionism
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Hate Crimes Laws are Discrimination
Date: 13 Jan 1997 06:54:41 GMT
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>   the criminal Giwer writes:
>  On 12 Jan 1997 04:12:01 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote
>  in alt.revisionism:
>  >	Sorry, criminal.  You picked this fight.  You were asked not to send me 
>  >email.  Your response was "I am tired of your shit. Fuck off."  followed by a dose 
of 
>  >your virulent anti-Semitism.

>  >	This is a fight *you* picked, bucko.  Stop whining and stop lying.

>  >	And start looking for an new ISP.  AOL doesn't want you either.

>  	Admiting to spreading more jew lies and to AOL this time.  You
>  are doing a great job of giving jews a bad name.  What else does one
>  expect from the amish, excuse me, the jew.  

	Odd world that the criminal Giwer lives in.  Telling the truth counts as a 
"jew lie."  No wonder his wiritngs resemble to ravings of a mad man.  The criminal 
Giwer doesn't understand the use of the English language.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Mon Jan 13 10:35:32 PST 1997
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Blackmore's obtuse Postings
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>   rblackmore@juno.com who still wonders why the Horrst Wessel Song is not 
on the charts writes:
>     yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:

>    	Musmanno sat on the Pennsylvania Supreme Court; his title was 
>    "Justice."

>  Musmanno was an American who sat in judgment over German nationals.
>  The day he made the decision to do this, he abrogated his right to be called
>  "Justice."--rblackmore

	Apparently the mask of "objectivity" has been dropped.  "blackmore" 
feels that some undermensch from Pittsburgh has no right to sit as judge over 
"German nationals."  The fact that said "German nationals" were invading 
another country and slaughtering the inhabitants has no significance to him.

	I am sorry that Justice Musmanno is not around to respond to 
"blackmore."  Not just because Justice Musmanno was one hell of a legal 
scholar but because he was one of the most articulate and colorful of legal 
writers.  He did not mince words and, confronted with "blackmore's" 
dishonest defense of the crimes of the nazis, would not have made an exception. 
 He *might* have considered describing "blackmore's" writings by stating:

	"It is a cesspool, an open sewer, a pit of putrefaction, a slimy gathering 
of all that is rotten in the debris of human depravity.  And in the center of all this 
waste and ste3nch, besmearing himself with its foulest defilement, spashes leaps, 
cavorts and wallows a bifucated specimen that responds to the name of 
"blackmore."  One wonders how the human species could have produced so 
elcherous, so blasphemous, disgusting and amoral a human being as 
"blackmore."  One wonder why he is received in polite society.

	"I would prefer to have a visitor in my home the most impecunious 
tramp that ever walked railroad ties, a tramp whose raggedy clothes are held 
together by faith and a saftey pin, a tramp who, throughout his entire life, always 
moved at a lazy pace, running only to avoid work, a trtamp who rides the rods of 
freight cars with the aplomb of a railroad president in his provate train, a tramp 
who knows as much about Emily Post's etiquette as a chattering chimpanzee, 
and who couldn't care less; I would prefer to invite that lazy, bewhiskered 
cavalier of the road to my residence for a short visit, than even to see on the 
highway that hobo of the mind, that licentious nomad called "blackmore," whose 
intelelctual clothes are plastered with filth, whose language is dirtier than any 
broken sewer that pollutres and contaminates a whole community; -- "blackmore" 
who shuns a bath of honest ideas, as the devil avoids holy water; who reduces 
human beings to animals, home standards to the pigsty, and dwells in a land of 
his own fit only for lice, bedbugs, cockroaches and tapeworms."

	(adapted from Commonwealth v. Robin, 218 A.2d 546)

	And then again, perhaps Justice Musmanno would not be this 
restrained in his language when confronted with "blackmore's" historical views.

	--YFE	


From yawen@enter.net Tue Jan 14 02:36:10 PST 1997
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Matt Giwer: "Supporter of Free Speech"? HA!
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>   the criminal Giwer claims to be confused:
>  On 7 Jan 1997 23:03:31 -0800, kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay
>  OBC) wrote in alt.revisionism:

>  >Rumour has it that Mr. Giwer is in the process of receiving
>  >knowledge relating to the Internet from GTE... one can only wait
>  >and watch with interest :-)

>  >This message sponsored by the words "hold" and "harmless."
  
>  	This has been going on for at least a month now.  When does it
>  happen?  

	The Criminal Giwer lies so frequently it is a safe assumption that, 
whenever he writes, he is lying.  Maybe the Criminal Giwer isn't playing stupid.  
That makes it even funnier.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Tue Jan 14 10:11:35 PST 1997
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: ATTN: Mr. K. McVay
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>   Ourobouros writes:

>  >> Are you suggesting that I hack into Nizkor's database and remove them 
>  >> myself?

>  It is not a criminal idea in New Zealand.  I am quite free to enter McVay's
>  site and do whatever I feel like to McVay's site, from New Zealand.  This
>  includes destroying or modifying his files.

	"Malicious mischief" is not against the law in New Zealand?

	I suggest you look again.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Tue Jan 14 10:11:36 PST 1997
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Just for the Sake of Curiousity
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	What has gone before:

	1.  The criminal Giwer has made various statements about Jonathan 
Pollard which included his assessment of the harm done by Pollard's espionage.

	2.  When pressed for a source for these revelations he stated that the 
information was presented at evidence at Polalrd's "trial."  He did this on more than 
one occasion.

	3.  It was pointed out to the criminal Giwer that Polalrd pleaded guilty and, 
therefore, there was no trial.

	4.  The criminal Giwer thereupon stated just becasue Pollard pleaded 
guilty did not mean he was not tried.  He further employed his usual sarcasm to state 
that any place where a trial was excluded becasue of a guilty plea was "a strange 
country."

	As it happens a guilty plea is not a simple procedure.  It must be accepted 
by the court and, to do this, the court must determine that the defendant knows his 
rights and is doing so willingly.  This is obviously a tedious and repetitive procedure.  
Many courts, to avoid this boredom, put the "colloquy" in writing.  The Court of 
Common Pleas of Lehigh County (where I practice) does so.  It is a ten page 
document with 34 separate items.  These include:

	"11.  To defend yourself in a trial by jury, you would have to plead *not* 
[emphasis in original] guilty.  Do you understand this?"

	"12.  By pleading guilty you admit you committed the crime charged and 
you give up your right to a trial by jury.  Do you understand this?"

	"20.  Do you understand that by pleading guity you give up your right to a 
trial, either by jury or before a Judge?"

	It is obvious that, as anyone with an iota of common sense would realize, 
that the criminal Giwer was blowing smoke, in all probability to cover his own 
fabrication.  I doubt that many people accepted the nonsense wholesaled by the 
criminal Giwer, but I remain curious.  Therefore:

	Any person who took the criminal Giwer's statement that a trial can 
proceed after a plea of "guilty" is accepted by a court is invited to email me.  I will 
snail mail to any such person (except, of course, the criminal Giwer) at any valid 
address the entire written colloquy used by the Court of Common Pleas of Lehigh 
County and, if requested, the written colloquy used by our neighbors in Northampton 
County.  Further, in order that you will not be subject to ridicule for your gullibiity, I will 
promise not reveal your name publicly.  I will, however, post a statistical recapitualion 
of those accepting this offer.

	--YFE
	


From yawen@enter.net Wed Jan 15 08:28:11 PST 1997
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Anybody Out There Got a Penguin?
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	"blackmore," a rabid apologist for nazi war criminals, recently decided 
to slur the reputation of Justice Michael A. Musmanno, a great judge and an 
honorable man, who presided over the the trials of Ohlendorf and others of the 
einsatzgruppen.  For years there was a small statue of a penguin on a shelf 
behind Musmanno's desk.

	Do any of those who claim that trial was a "kangaroo court" know 
where that statue came from and what it means?

	--YFE

	



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