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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Pagans?
Date: 30 Nov 1996 02:10:52 GMT
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>   John.Morris@UAlberta.CA (John Morris) writes:

>  Some were. Some weren't. Some are. Some aren't.

	According to Segev ("Soldiers of Evil"  1987, American Edition) there 
was a policy in the SS under Eike to have the members disassocite themselves 
>from  organized religions.  The "correct" formula was for the SS men to describe 
themselves as a "believer in God."

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: 'rblackmore' Lies About Goeth, etc
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>     dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes:

#   Goeth was tried and executed by the Poles, after the war,
#    and not by the SS. "rblackmore" is lying through his teeth.
    
#    Koch, as far as I know, was executed mainly for stealing
#    state property. I'll appreciate full and exact details
#    on his trial and execution by the SS.
  
>  Then research it, like you so often tell me to do.

	"Koch was charged with the theft of 200,000 marks.  He was also 
accused of the murder of three prisoners who might have testified about his 
activities, two in Buchenwald and one in Lubin . . . ." (Segev, "Soldiers of Evil" 
page 147)  It should be noted that Blackmore the Chicken Hawk cliams that he 
owns this book.

>  I have indeed mentioned him on other occasions.  Dr. Keren was
>  too occupied with his pornographic photos to notice.  The charge
>  against Rascher was kidnapping.  The experiments Rascher conducted
>  were mainly on criminals condemned to death for capitall crimes.  The 
>  criminals usually volunteered for the experiments in exchange for a 
>  commutation of sentence.

	Only in your imagination.  Since the subjects were murdered during and 
after the "experiments" it is difficult to see what the "commutation" might have 
been.  Testimony about the murders by Rascher can be found at "Nuremberg 
Medical Case" Volume 1, pages 738-59
  
>  It was my understanding that Goeth was tried and
>   sentenced to death by an SS court, but the sentence
>   was not carried out, as the war ended.

	"In the autumn of 1944 Goth was arrested in connection with an 
investigation of corruption in the camps, the same investigation by Morgen that 
brought about the execution of Karl Koch and Hermann Florstedt.  Goth was also 
suspected of embezzlement, but before he could be put on trial the war ended."  
(Segev; "Soldiers of Evil" page 154).  It should be noted that the Blackmore the 
Chicken Hawk claims that he owns this book.

	Apparently Blackmore the Chicken Hawk is bluffing again.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:
>  In message <57m8ac$a4p@juliana.sprynet.com> -  1996 08:53:32 GMT writes:
  
>  :>Badly.  Seems they were all at your house.  Hope you bought 
>  :>enough butter to butter your bagel.
  
>  That the best you can do?

	Tell him that you a pre-pubescent boy in search of a 13 year old girl.  
That might sweeten him up a bit.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Clearing the air about Posen
Date: 1 Dec 1996 18:42:03 GMT
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>   dvdthomas@aol.com writes:

>  
>  Proposal sounds pretty hollow at first glance.  There are technical
>  difficulties, including getting hold of the original tape and a valid
>  source of comparison,

	The laboratory I contacted felt that the technical prblems could be 
overcome.  They specifically stated that an original would not be necessary.  
The question of a valid source of comparison should be easy.  Himmler did make 
public speeches.  Moreover, the first part of the analysis would be of feasibility.



> but the main reason I say this is that it (the
>  proposal) has been used here simply as a platform to say "put up money or
>  shut up" or some similar sentiment.


	The question is a simple scientific test.  The "revisionists" continually 
state that they interested in "forensic" proof.  This is a clear and simple sceintific 
testing of "revisionist" claims.


>  If there were real interest in
>  validating that item, or any of the myriad other suspect pieces of
>  "evidence" it would have been neither difficult nor expensive to do so
>  given 50 years of opportunity and the many billions of dollars and
>  deutschemarks they've pulled in during that time.

	There has been no neccessity as only a few wackos, presenting no 
real reason other than their unsupporterd allegations, have stated the tape is a 
forgery.  It should be noted that the National Archives has openly distributed the 
tape as authentic.  They have no doubts.


>  The fact that such
>  suggestions are routinely dismissed by the keepers of the flame says a lot
>  about their own confidence in the materials.


	The burden rests on those who challenge the document.  If you do not 
believe it is real, it would have been a simple and relatively inexpensive 
methodfor so determining.  The analysis laboratory I contcted wanted less than 
$2000 for a complete job.  By way of comparison the laboratory I use for 
document examination charges a preliminary fee of $2,500 and the standard 
charge for examination of medical records and preliminary report by a board 
certified specialist start at about $1500.  Since the original is not required, the 
fact that the "revisionists" have not tested the tape and have, instead, relied on 
such arguments as the mistatement that pare recorders had not been invented, 
is very significant.

>  This is one of the main
>  oddities that arouses the curiosity of the otherwise uninterested.  If
>  it's such a sure thing, then what harm would come from independent
>  confirmation in an academic forum?

	None.  The question is "why bother?"  *You* have made the 
challenge.  Having done so your demand that the other side do the work of 
proving your contention is silly at best.

>  Yet all that greets suggestions for
>  public scientific validations is cries of disrespect to the dead,
>  accompanied by contempt and invective designed to turn the idea aside.  Or
>  so it seems from my viewpoint.

	You have been offered a simple sceintific test whichj, if the 
"revisionist" contentions (I note that you, yourself, make no claim that the 
tape of the Posen speech is a forgery) which, if they are correct, would be done 
at no cost to them.  If this offer was given in the context of litigation, there is not 
a single lawyer who would no leap at the opportunity.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Clearing the air about Posen
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>   dvdthomas@aol.com writes:
>  Yale Edeiken wrote:
  
>  >Apparently the only response that the "revisionist" community has is, in 
>  >your words "rhetorical."  In other words, that community has so little
>  confidence 
>  >in their assertion that they are afraid to have it tested.
  
>  Addressing first a comment I did not quote, many things in Mr. Power's
>  post were ignored, and for good reason. 

	Actually you ignored the basic point of the post quoting only three words 
>from  it.  What you ignored was the point of the post.  Further I think that your 
response distorted and misrepresented the contents of the post.  To read your 
response only one would get the impression that various perjoratives were used 
generically, whereas they were used to refer to certain specific individuals.


> Time's too limited sometimes to
>  spend it calling out obvious blather, and I tend to almost never waste
>  time on posts with an abusive tone, which is what my reply was calling
>  out.  In other words, I replied only to the portions of interest.

	The post was neither abusive in tone or or "obvious blather."   It recited 
a challenge to various people who have made a specific assertion to put up or 
shut up.

  
>  That cleared up, to the above.  I haven't made the assertion, I don't know
>  enough about the tape itself to do that.

	I have noticed.  Given the antics of your fellow "revisionists"  you must 
bliush frequently.

>  If I had to bet, I'd give even
>  money or better that it's doctored, but that is just a personal opinion of
>  no import.  As for anyone, anyone at all, being "afraid" to have it
>  tested, where do you get that?  Tell me who, when and why?  I cannot think
>  of any support for that statement at all, except perhaps a personal
>  opinion with as much validity as mine about the tape.

	I suggest you read the "obvious blather" of "blackmore" and the 
consider the refusal of the criminal Giwer to even respond directly.  Both have 
asserted the tape is a fraud.  I consider as well that your initial reaction was not 
your personal opinion of the tape but offhand comments that were factually 
inaccurate about technical feasibility.

	The fact remains that any person who could demonstrate by scientific 
means (and those means are available) that the tape of the Posen speech is a 
forgery would have materially advanced the "revisionist" position and become an 
instant hero in (as Sam Donalson described you) the cottage industry of denying 
the Holocaust.  The publicity you reap would alone justify the risk if those making 
the assertion had the courage of their convictions.  Moreover, it would entail no 
cost whatsoever to make a hero of yourself.

	Sorry.  The responses so far of those who have made the assertion that 
the tape is a forgery (and as both of us have noted, you are not of that number) 
make two points very obvious.  First, they have no intention of having their lies 
tested by reliable scientific methods and, second, they are afraid of that being 
done.
  
>  >What is more your response is dishonest.  Mr. Powers referred to Willis 
>  >Carto as an "asshole."  He is.  He referred to those who, at this point
>  in time 
>  >assert the Frank Diary was a fake as "assholes."  They are.  He referred
>  to the 
>  >IHR as a bunch of "loonies."  They qualify for that.
  
>  My reply quoted three words the poster used and then said something about
>  the predictable rhetoric after my earlier musing on the likely nature of
>  responses to this thread.  The speculation and the referenced reply
>  were/are accurate.  In what way at all was it (my short post) "dishonest"?
>   I looked at it again trying to find some defense for your remark and
>  could only conclude that you are saying I implied that all the pejoratives
>  were directed at me, and I of course neither stated nor implied this.

	Your post implied that they were used generically.  They were not.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Clearing the air about Posen
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  In order to dispel the either accidental or intentional confusion 
>  surrounding one of my previous posts on Himmler's alleged 
>  speech at Posen, I would like to clarify:

>  I have never denied that Himmler delivered 2 speeches 
>  within 2 days apart at Posen in October 1943.  That the
>  speeches were interminably long seems to be the concensus
>  of all who attended and later commented upon the speeches.
  
>  What I am questioning and what I have always questioned is
>  the authenticity of the soound recording which was allegedly 
>  taken of the speech in question.  I have stated my reasons for
>  being skeptical of these recordings on many occasions and those
>  reasons are still valid as far as I am concerned.

	Then you would, no doubt, be willing to put your money where your 
mouth is.   When Giwer made the claim that this speech was a forgery Ken 
McVay made a challenge.   Let us get the speech analysed by a voice 
recognition laboratory.  If it a forgery Nizkor will pay for the analysis; if authentic 
you will.  A recognized voice recognition laboratory with experience in historical 
and foriegn language analysis quoted an estimate of $1,750.00 for the job with 
approximately 1/2 of the cost being a preliminary report on feasibility.

	As far as I know the offer is still open.

	Are your game?  Or are you all mouth?

	--YFE 


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Clearing the air about Posen
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>   The Criminal Giwer  rewrites some more history:
>  On 1 Dec 1996 08:38:09 GMT, brainh@itsa.ucsf.edu (Brian Harmon) wrote:

>  >>What I am questioning and what I have always questioned is
>  >>the authenticity of the soound recording which was allegedly 
>  >>taken of the speech in question. 

>  >This has been discussed in the past, i believe Matt Giwer
>  >made similar statements.  

>  >A wager was proposed to Mr. Giwer:

>  >  Himmler's Ponzan speech would be sent to experts
>  >  to determine if the speech is authentic, the loser 
>  >  (whether it woulkd be Giwer or Nizkor) would pay
>  >  the costs of the analysis.

>  >Are you game?
  
>  	When it was discussed here about a year ago, it was stated the
>  speaker had not been identified and that there was an effort to
>  collect the money for a voice print identification.  

	Wrong.  You claimed that the tape was a forgery.  Your first argument 
was that tape recording had not been developed.  Then you just made the 
blanket statement that it was not authentic.

  
>  	Two months ago, when I repeated that year ago holohugger position,
>  the holohuggers claimed that I was giving a false recounting and that
>  it had been positively identified.


	It has been,  

>  	Now we have come full circle with the admission that the speaker
>  has not been identified.  


	There is nothing in Harmon's post that even indicates that.  The tape is 
of a speech by Himmler.  The only ones who say otherwise are a minority of 
deniers, principally the criminal Giwer and "blackmore."  

>  	This appears to be a variation upon the truth of the month club.  

	The truth is the criminal Giwer claimed the tape was a forgery.  When 
challenged to put his assertion to a scientific test, he shut up like a clam.  The 
exchange is preserved in its entirety on Nizkor.  This, of course, is another reason 
that the criminal Giwer goes into a paranoid rage whenever he hears the URL 
which exposes his lies so thoroughly:

	http://www.nizkor.org

	--YFE

	


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Clearing the air about Posen
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>   the criminal Giwer writes:
>  On 1 Dec 1996 13:13:07 -0500, karlpov@access2.digex.net (Charles R.L.
>  Power) wrote:
>  >Well, yes, of course this is a "Put up or shut up" challenge,
>  >and of course you are going to neither put up nor shut up. Why 
>  >should Nizkor, a rather tiny institution of insignificant 
>  >financial resources, put up two grand to satisfy the whimsical
>  >fancies of a small circle of eccentrics? 
  
>  	What is there to put up?  The very existance of the challenge is an
>  admission that the speaker has not been identified.  

	Nope.  The existence of the challenge exposes the basic dishonesty of 
the "revisionists."  The speaker is identified as Himmler.  It has always been so.

>  	Therefore, until you folks can substantiate the identity of the
>  speaker, please refrain from using it as evidence.  
	The question is not the identification of the speaker.  The speaker has 
been identified as Himmler.  The question is the claim by a few clowns that the 
speech is a forgery.  You have made that assertion.

	You have refused to put that assertion to a scientific test.  A tacit 
admission that your claim that the speech is phony was fraudulent.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:

>  Just like you, who keeps repeating the same nonsense over
>  and over, even though you are proven wrong on practically
>  every occasion.  BTW, are you definitively saying that Rabbi
>  Reichorn never existed?

	No.  Only a reasonable suspicion arises when he reported to hold a 
position which did not exist, specifically "Chief Rabbi of France" in 1859.  There 
could be various reasons for this misattribution.  To date, however, there has 
been no explanation whatsoever.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: ADL, defenders of the Holocaust
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>   mittlemd@nevis.u.arizona.edu (Daniel D Mittleman) responed to the criminal 
Giwer:
>  Leprechan (PJO@is.back) wrote:
>  : On 2 Dec 1996 07:32:57 GMT, mittlemd@mustique.u.arizona.edu (Daniel D
>  : Mittleman) wrote:

>  : 	Excuse me, good sir, but several times over the last year there
>  : have been requests for the exact numbers of pre and post war jewish
>  : populations by country and the number per country considered to have
>  : been executed by the Nazis.  
  
>  : 	As such information was not posted it appears no one, not even you,
>  : has that information.  
  
>  : 	So just what demographic evidence do you claim there is?  that you
>  : are personally familiar with?  that you declined to post?  
  
>  Sir, I declined to post demographic information as I did not have it at my
>  fingertips and it has been posted in alt.revisionism several times
>  previously.  You point, however, is very valid - such a claim on my part
>  should be accompanied by a citation to such demgraphic evidence.

	This is part of the criminal Giwer's well known aversion to opening a 
book.  As has been pointed out to him many times, numerous historians have 
attempted to give such a detailed accounting.  For my money one of the best is 
Appendix A ("The Fate of the Jews in Hitler's Europe: by Country") in Lucy 
Dawidowicz's "The War Against the Jews: 1933-1945" which occupies pages 
337-401.  Of course, examination of these figures would require the criminal Giwer 
to actually *read* something rather than fabricating.

>  : 	Why are there only two trained historians and one honorary
>  : historians publishing in favor of this holocaust of yours and why are
>  : they in retreat as to their claims?  (For example, the honorary
>  : historian, Hilberg used to claim there were extermination orders but
>  : in the 1986 (?) revision deleted such claims and inserted a footnote
>  : claiming it was all done by mindreading.)  
  
>  Matt Giwer made a similar claim a few months back that there were less
>  than four real Holocaust historians.  Several posters immediately and
>  directly demonstrated that this claim was false.  My demonstration of such
>  a falsehood is to refer you to Lucy Dawidowicz, "The Holocaust and the
>  Historians," Harvard University Press, Cambridge, MA, 1981.  In this book
>  she reviews the historiography process for studying the Holocaust in at
>  least five different countries and in doing so discusses the approach of
>  several historians towards the Holocaust in EACH of those countries.

	It is odd that the criminal Giwer would resurrect this claim.  The last time 
he made it, he was so thoroughly embarrassed that he immediately practiced his 
"revisionism" by claiming that he had asserted something else entirely.  When that 
fraudulent claim was just as quickly debunked, he retied from the field.



>  : 	Does defending that right include harrassment of ISPs?  



  
>  Please explain what you mean here?  Do I defend Tom's right to harrass
>  ISPs?  No.  Do I harrass ISPs about Tom's postings and paradoxically claim
>  that doing so defends his rights?  No, that would be absurd and I don't
>  harrass ISPs.




	The criminal Giwer evidently feels that complaining against such 
activities as spamming, extortionate threats, forgery, and criminal harassment is 
improper.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Tue Dec  3 11:38:05 PST 1996
Article: 83518 of alt.revisionism
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: 'The bodies were buried in the antitank ditch or excavation'
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>   brainh@itsa.ucsf.edu (Brian Harmon) writes:
>  In article <57ss0o$pai@juliana.sprynet.com>,   wrote:

>  >Are you claiming to speak for Dr. Jekyll Keren?
  
>  And this is a man who once whined about the use 
>  of insults in this forum?
  
>  hypocrite.

	Oddly enough "blackmore" seems not to have dipped into his store of 
books deeply enough to recognize that "Dr. Jekyll" was a rather noble fellow in 
Stevenson's tale.  It was "Mr. Hyde" who represented the evil side of his nature.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Wed Dec  4 05:22:51 PST 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: JW revisionism
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>   Annie Alpert  writes:
>  Craig D wrote:

>  > Does the Watchtower practice revisionism???
 
>  > http://home.earthlink.net/~defender
  
>  What are you talking about? Just trolling?

	He is probably talking about the origins of the Jehovah's Witnesses.  
The founders several times predicted the End of the World which, of course, did 
not happen.  The texts were later revised to eliminate these predictions.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Thu Dec  5 05:47:10 PST 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Clearing the air about Posen
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:

	YFE noted:


>    	The question is a simple scientific test.  The "revisionists" continually 
>    state that they interested in "forensic" proof.  This is a clear and simple 
sceintific 
>    testing of "revisionist" claims.
>    	The burden rests on those who challenge the document.  If you do not 
>    believe it is real, it would have been a simple and relatively inexpensive 
>    methodfor so determining.  The analysis laboratory I contcted wanted less than 
>    $2000 for a complete job.  By way of comparison the laboratory I use for 
>    document examination charges a preliminary fee of $2,500 and the standard 
>    charge for examination of medical records and preliminary report by a board 
>    certified specialist start at about $1500.  Since the original is not required, the 
>    fact that the "revisionists" have not tested the tape and have, instead, relied 
on 
>    such arguments as the mistatement that pare recorders had not been invented, 
>    is very significant.

	To which our resident chicken hawk demonstrated he knows he is lying 
about the Posen tape:

>  More scarecrows and strawmen from Yale Edeiken.  The fact is,
>  no one could determine  if a clever interpolater "stacked the deck".
>  In any event, the speech doesn't prove that the Nazis had embarked
>  upon a policy to exterminate Europe's Jewish population, with or without
>  the "damaging" statements.

	The technology in question has been accepted by every jurisdiction is 
generally accepted	by the scientific community as reliable and has been accepted 
in court by every jurisdicition in the U.S.

	I note that you provide no reference or justification for the "fact" you 
assert.  Apparently you just made it up on the spur of the moment to justify your 
repeated lies about the Posen tape.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Thu Dec  5 05:47:12 PST 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Forgery (Re: We Jews regard our race as superior . . . .)
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:

>  Sigh.  Prove to us that Himmler said what you claim he said at Posen.

	Sigh.  Call up the National Archives and ask them for a copy of the 
tape.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Yale Eideken's Lie Exposed
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>   kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:
>  On 1 Dec 1996 19:02:06 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>  >	It should be noted that in his "expose" "Stele" made the following 
errors 

>  >	1.  He did not know the name of the district attorney who actually 
>  >handled the case.

	Stele does not explain his ignorance.

>  >	2.   He did not know the name of the court in which the proceedings 
>  >took place.

	Stele does not explain his ignorance.

>  >	3.  He did not know the name of the judge handling the case.


	Stele does not explain his ignorance.

>  >	4.  He did not know of the Motions in Limine filed by the Freeman 
>  >brothers (and, in fact, denied that that there was one).

	Stele does not explain his ignorance.

>  >	5.  He did know of the videotaped interrogation of the brothers made 
in 
>  >Michigan or that it was played in open court (and, in fact, denied that this 
ever 
>  >happened).

	Stele does not explain his ignorance.

>  >	6.  He did not know of the testimony taken from school authorities in 
>  >open court during the supression hearing (and, in fact, denied that there was 
such 
>  >testimony).

	Stele does not explain his ignorance.

>  >	7.  He has refused to elucidate the connection of Mark thomas (a/k/a 
>  >"the Longswamp Nazi") to the Freeman brothers or the NA.

	Stele won't tell us about this connection.

>  >	8.  He has not presented anything from the defense attoneys involved 
in 
>  >the case who have knowledge not available to the district attorney 
(including 
>  >detailed psychiatric evaluations) and which has never been made public.

	Stele does not explain his ignorance.

>  >	All "Stele" has is his denials.

>  >	Given the source, they are not worth much at all.

>  Amazing.  Yale is making up even more lies.   Even when Yale is caught
>  red-handed Yale excretes another baleful.

	Stele does not explain his ignorance.
  
>  The prosecutor who handled the case (i.e., the one who would have had
>  to have been the one filing all the motion Yale completely made up,
>  hoping we would just "trust him" and not check on it) was Mr. Robert
>  Steinberg.   

	Douglas Reichley made all appearances in court for the DAs office.  
Moreover,  anybody with half a brain would know that the prosecutor would not 
file a motion filed by the defense attorneys.

	More proof that Stele is sending up a smokescreen.

	--YFE




From yawen@enter.net Fri Dec  6 04:16:49 PST 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: kurt stele and his nuremberg "cite"
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>   gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:
>  In message <32a1d214.314984137@news.micron.net> - kurtstel@micron.net 
(Kurt

>  :>Here's the full excerpt from the IMT Bluebook.  Evidently you never
>  :>read the document yourself.   My signature is right on target.  Mr.
>  :>Jackson indeed was seriously pursuing the claim at Nuremberg
>  :>("charging") that the Nazis had a vaporization device.  Jackson was
>  :>quite serious about it, which is highly relevant and indicative of the
>  :>sort of ridiculous claims the prosecutors at Nuremberg not only took
>  :>seriously but actually pursued.    

>  :>JACKSON:  Now, I have certain information, which was placed in my
>  :>hands, of an experiment which was carried out near Auschwitz and I
>  :>would like to ask you if you heard about it or knew about it.  The
>  :>purpose of the experiment was to find a quick and complete way of
>  :>destroying people without the delay and trouble of shooting and
>  :>gassing and burning, as it had been carried out, and this is the
>  :>experiment, as I am advised.  A village, a small village was
>  :>provisionally erected, with temporary structures, and in it
>  :>approximately 20,000 Jews were put.  By means of this newly invented
>  :>weapon of destruction, these 20,000 people  were eradicated almost
>  :>instantaenously, and in such a way that there was no trace left of
>  :>them; that it developed, the explosive develloped, temperatures of
>  :>from 400o to 500o centigrade and destroyed them without
>  :>leaving any trace at all.  Do you know about that experiment?

>  :>SPEER:  No, and I consider it utterly improbable.

>  :>Sorry Mr. "Nussbaum."  You lose.
  
>  Sorry Mr. Stele/Smith.  *You* lose.  The very quote you supplied shows the
>  fallacy of your sig.  Jackson was asking whether such a device had existed,
>  not claiming it existed.  You really are an idiot.

	When the following questions are read it is perfectly clear that 
Jackson was utilizing a fairly standard technique of cross-examination by 
misdirecting the witness to place him in an untenable position on an issue not 
part of the question.  It is called "sandbagging." 

	It worked.  Having described it as "utterly improbable" Speer was 
placed in a position where he could neither deny or minimize the fact that the 
nazi government had, in fact, circulated wildly exagerated or fabricated stories 
about new weapons to boost morale.

	Good job, Justice Jackson.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Sat Dec  7 09:55:02 PST 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re:  Clearing the air about Posen
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:

  
>  Well, yes.  However, I have indicated that I do not regard the speech as 
>  particularly damaging in the overall sense that it is invariably taken.  If 
>  someone should undertake to determine the authenticity of this recording,
>  that would be fine with me.  I know you have not overlooked my point that 
the
>  time to examine the authenticity of this recording was when it was placed into
>  evidence at Nuremberg-not fifty years later.  But it does tell us a bit about
>  the procedures of the IMT.

	As usual you have it backwards.  The time to *object* to the tape 
was when it was played at Nuremberg.  Not a single defendant objected that 
the tape was fraudulent.  But then Goering, Speer, Schacht, et al, knew 
Himmler when they heard him.

	That tells us a bit about how silly the current objections to the tape 
are.  

	--YF


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   the criminal Giwer faking the name p@q.r (Advance) writes:
>  On Thu, 5 Dec 1996 08:29:18 GMT, dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
>  wrote:

>  >Is this why "leading Holocaust revisionist", Matt Giwer, mailed
>  >my ISP and demanded that my account will be closed? Is this why
>  >he also threatened my ISP that he will be mail-bombed if he
>  >doesn't close my account?
  
>  	No such email was sent.  Perhaps you would be willing to post that
>  email to support your claim?  Of course not.  It is the holohugger
>  tradition to lie about anything to support their purposes.  It's a
>  "tribal" thing. 
  
>  	So here is your big chance to show that you are above the tribal
>  liars that comprise the holohuggers.  POST THE MESSAGE YOU FALSELY
>  CLAIM WAS SENT!!!

	He already has.

	You really should pay attention.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Gauleiter Gross Wants to be Freenet Fuehrer,or Goebbels
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>   WAHRHEIT  writes:
>  Gauleiter Keith Gross, the overpaid flunky running Edmonton Freenet, which
>  is a paid BUSINESS, running with $200,000.00 of taxpayer money, plus
>  annual fees from users, now wishes to be the GRAND CENSOR, just like his
>  hero Josef Goebbels.

>  If you feel that CENSHORSHIP should not be tolerated, then contact
>  postmaster@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca, as well as the Auditor General of
>  Canada, the Edmonton Journal,and other Canadian media.

	You're slipping.  You forgot to tell people to lean out their windows and 
yell "I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it any more!"

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   the criminal Giwer blows it again:
>  On 6 Dec 1996 03:57:12 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>  >	The cost estimated by a reputable laboratory (used by the NJ State 
>  >Police) was under $2000.   The deal was, as well, that Nizkor would pay all costs 
>  >if it turned out not to be Himmler.

>  >	Put up or shut up.
  
>  	As the tape is in the custody of a US government agency and since
>  the FBI laboratories are a short one hour drive away, it is unclear
>  why this has not been done already.  

	It is only unclear to you.  The voice was identified as Himmler's only a few 
kooks like you have claimed it is a forgery.


  
>  	But since it has not been done, it is inadmissable as evidence.


	You are absolutely wrong.  Which, given your utter ignorance of Rules 
of Evidence is no surprise.  The voice was identified.  That is all that is required.  To 
use one of your favorite analogies, the 911 tape of Nicole Brown Simpson being 
attacked by O.J. was admitted into evidence although it was never subjected to a 
voice print.  It is the burden of those making the objection to provide such material.

>  But then of course the chain of custody would also have to be
>  establihsed.  

	A piece of cake.  Especially in a U.S. federal court.  You call the archivist 
of the National Archives (where the tape resides).  Put him on the stand for fivve 
minutes then, if a civil trial, make a motionto the judge for attorney's and witness fees 
for frivolously requiring proof.  He grants it without hesitation.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: The Jackson Nuremberg cite (Disintegrator ray)
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>   the criminal Giwer makes an ass of himself:
>  On 5 Dec 1996 20:34:15 -0500, karlpov@access2.digex.net (Charles R.L.
>  Power) wrote:

>  >WhoKnows@dot.tod (Elevated) writes:

>  >>	However in a fair trial such a question would be impermissable and
>  >>would be striken from the record.  

>  >Oh yeah, right. Then addle-pated loons like yourself would talk
>  >about a conspiracy to hide what went on at Nuremburg. You'll pardon
>  >me if I don't look to you as a source of legal advice, Matt, since
>  >you've already proven yourself incompetent about so many other
>  >subjects, including some in which you allegedly once held professional
>  >qualifications.
  
>  	Objection, the question lacks foundation.

	Overrules.  This is *cross-examination* you idiot.

>  You must know that one
>  by now.  One can not ask a question about an event without
>  establishing that the event took place.  It is like asking OJ if it is
>  true he murdered his first wife with a knife in front of a jury.  It
>  is quite prejudicial in addition to the fact that his first wiff is
>  still alive.  

	That's the way it's done on cross-examination.  Always.  In fact, it is 
improper to do it the other way.

	--YFE	


From yawen@enter.net Sun Dec  8 12:02:26 PST 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Air Photo Evidence ?
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>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:


  
>  	Of course Gilbert, a notorious writer for the Holocaust, would
>  spend several pages appealing to people's emotional level and would
>  have them form an opinion from the feelings of others.

	Gilbert was a psychologist writing about his first-hand impressions of 
the defendants.


>  	Maybe you could show how Gilbert's several pages of describing
>  the reaction of tribunal members would have any relevance to
>  validifying the Holocaust story.

	The relevance is to your claim that no such photographic evidence 
was produced.  Simple common sense (which you lack) would indicate that if the 
defendants reacted to it, it must have existed.


>  	What he was aiming to accomplish was to have people make
>  decisions from the feelings of others, and in this case, appealing to
>  their feelings by citing the feelings of authority figures.

	This sentence makes no sense whatsoever.
   

>  	Would you know where one could get a copy of these movies? I
>  would think they would be offered for sale by the adamant and eternal
>  Holocaust promotional network. Personally I have never seen them
>  referred to in all the many of thousands of pages I have reviewed that
>  are put out by the Holocaust promotional network.

	Apaprently you should *read* those pages rather than "reviewing" 
them.  The first two books on the Nuremberg trials mentioned them.  Both books 
are considered rather basic references as to what happened at the trials.  I also 
recall mention of it in Birkett's diaries but I do not have the book at hand.  As I 
recall it was one of the few items produced by the Soviets that impressed him.

	As to where the movie can be seen, I neither know nor care.  Unlike 
you I consider it of marginal importance to the question of waht happened there. 
 Certainly the photographs taken after liberation cannot give any sort of idea as 
to what the KZ was like during operation.  You, on the other hand, attach some 
importance to their existence.  Go find them yourself now that you know they 
exist.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Gore with the ultimate anti-Semitism.....
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>   olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) writes:
>  In article <58d8h8$o1t@news.enter.net>, Yale F. Edeiken wrote:

>  >       Then perhaps you will explain why, contrary to general practice,  each of 
>  >the defendants was allowed to make a statement to the Court without being 
subject 
>  >to cross-examination.  Each was allowed to state whatever he wanted.  None 
made 
>  >the claim that the Holocaust was a "manufactured event."

>  But it was not allowed to question whether the holocaust had happened in
>  the first place.

	You are lying.  Please cite me a section of the Charter, a ruling by the 
Tribunal, or any objection to such evidence that was sustained on general 
grounds.

	Sory, nazi boy, no limits whatsoever were placed upon the *content* of 
the statements of the defendants.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: DIE NAZI SCUM!!!
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>   Keith Morrison  writes:
>  Doc Tavish wrote:
  
>  > Bill I honestly tell you taht I am a product of my environment and I
>  > must be the only "Brit" in a small Germanic town in Texas that has been
>  > predominately German since the middle 1800s or so. I only pick up on the
>  > sentiments of my local contacts. I have no reason to lie. Maybe I am in
>  > a den of Nazi War Criminals but I must stick to my ground and speak of
>  > what I perceive here- I made no claim that there was a national
>  > sentiment to my statement.

>  Say, Doc, have you packed your toothbrush?  I seem to recall that you
>  promised to take a trip to the Weisenthal center.  Something about the
>  floor, your tongue and a movie wasn't it?

	Perhaps we should all chip in for a large bottle of Listerine?

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Clearing the air about Posen
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>   kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:

>  >	You are absolutely wrong.  Which, given your utter ignorance of Rules 
>  >of Evidence is no surprise.  The voice was identified.  That is all that is 
required.  To 
>  >use one of your favorite analogies, the 911 tape of Nicole Brown Simpson 
being 
>  >attacked by O.J. was admitted into evidence although it was never subjected 
to a 
>  >voice print.  It is the burden of those making the objection to provide such 
material.
  
>  The defense can challenge foundation otherwise anyone can produce a
>  any tape saying anything and have it admitted without the need for any
>  testing whatsoever.   Revisionists challenge the tape and it would not
>  be permitted without authentication.  

	Not on cross-examination.  Foundation comes after the denial.  Second 
all that is required is that of the archivist.  Once that is done the burden rests on 
the objector to demonstrate that it not authentic.  That is the point where we are 
now.
>  >>  But then of course the chain of custody would also have to be
>  >>  establihsed.  
>  >
>  >	A piece of cake.  Especially in a U.S. federal court.  You call the 
archivist 
>  >of the National Archives (where the tape resides).  Put him on the stand for 
fivve 
>  >minutes then, if a civil trial, make a motionto the judge for attorney's and 
witness fees 
>  >for frivolously requiring proof.  He grants it without hesitation.

>  Considering the trickery and falsehood associated with the Holocaust
>  and questionable circumstances surrounding the tape no judge worth his
>  robe would permit the tape to be admitted without further testing.
>  The tape is inadmissible.  Too bad your little Himmler tape is
>  worthless.  Care to authenticate?

	Actually, given the status of material in the National Archives [cf. 44 
U.S.C. 399 (a) for example] a judge acting as you suggest would be committing 
reversible error.

	--YFE



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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: The Criminal Giwer Rants & Raves
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>   the criminal Giwer using one of his silly psuedonyms writes:
>  On Sun, 8 Dec 1996 08:55:02 GMT, dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
>  wrote:
  
>  >This is the e-mail Matt Giwer sent to my ISP. Note that the
>  >senile, unemployed drunkard also warns the ISP that he will be 
>  >mail-bombed if he doesn't limit my postings.  
  
>  	Not at all.  It simply points out that what was done to my ISPs
>  might happen to yours.  As you holobuggers have insisted doing such a
>  thing was completely innocent and harmless and without blame it is
>  unclear how you can honestly (but we know you are dishonest) claim
>  that the exact same thing is a threat when directed towards your ISP.
 
  
>  	And please, try to avoid being such a self serving liar in your
>  response.  

	The self-serving liar is, of course, the criminal Giwer who, once more, 
dips into extortion.  Having sent a message in which he demands that Dr. Keren's 
ISP censor their client if they wish to "save" themselves a "hassle,"  the criminal 
Giwer then claims that his ISPs have been so threatened.

	It is true that there have been complaints to the ISPs foolish enough to 
take a few dollars from the criminal Giwer but, as usual, the criminal Giwer forgets 
a few salient facts.  To wit:

	FACT:  No ISP who has hosted the criminal Giwer has been threatened 
with extra-legal annoyance.  The criminal Giwer has done so in his e-mail.

	FACT:  Complaints were made to the criminal Giwer's ISP when he 
spammed this newsgroup posting the same long article approximately fifty times in 
a few days.  Dr. Keren has not done this.

	FACT:  Complaints were made to the criminal Giwer's ISP when he 
threatened the Nizkor website with "unspecified penalties" unless all reference to 
his name was removed.  Dr. Keren has not done this.

	FACT:  Complaints were  made to the criminal Giwer's ISP when he 
mailbombed Nizkor with a 5 meg e-mail.  Dr. Keren has not done this.

	FACT:  Complaints were made to the criminal Giwer's ISP when he 
criminally harrassed me and my family.  Dr. Keren has not done this.

	FACT:  Complaints were made to the criminal Giwer's ISP when he 
violated the terms of the contract meant for the benefit of third parties to 
which the criminal Giwer had agreed.  Dr. Keren has not done this.

	In short the criminal Giwer's comparison of the complaints made against 
him with his threatening letter to Dr. Keren's ISP is a bit like a bank robber 
complaining that he must be innocent because a depositor had also withdrawn 
money from that same bank.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   the criminal Giwer writes:
>  On 8 Dec 1996 02:09:45 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>  >>  On 6 Dec 1996 03:57:12 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>  >	It is only unclear to you.  The voice was identified as Himmler's only a few 
>  >kooks like you have claimed it is a forgery.
  
>  	Excuse me, identified by who or what, lying kike shyster?  

	The National Archives.
    


>  >	A piece of cake.  Especially in a U.S. federal court.  You call the archivist 
>  >of the National Archives (where the tape resides).  Put him on the stand for fivve 
>  >minutes then, if a civil trial, make a motionto the judge for attorney's and witness 
fees 
>  >for frivolously requiring proof.  He grants it without hesitation.
  
>  	And just how could the archivist testify as to the chain of custody
>  before he received it?  That was a rhetorical question, he would lie
>  like a kike shyster.  

	Because it was used at Nuremberg and constitutes part of a certified court 
record.  No chain of custody is required.  Instead of using some some trick technical 
phrase you half-heard on a Perry Mason rerun, you might try learning what it means.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: The Criminal Giwer is Wrong Again
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>   The Criminal Giwer one more demonstrates his ignorance of the IMT:
>  On 8 Dec 1996 02:18:16 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>  >	Then perhaps you will explain why, contrary to general practice,  each 
of 
>  >the defendants was allowed to make a statement to the Court without being 
subject 
>  >to cross-examination.  Each was allowed to state whatever he wanted.  
None made 
>  >the claim that the Holocaust was a "manufactured event."
  
>  	More specific to your statement, perhaps you can explain why Goring
>  was not permitted to make his statement?  

	I find it impossible to explain.  I am in this position becasue I can find 
no indication that he was prevented from doing so.  In fact, Telford Taylor in 
"The Anatomy of the Nuremberg Trials" states;

	A guard holding a pole with a microphone moved it within Goering's 
reach and he rose to speak:

	"The prosecution in the final speeches, has treated the defendants 
and their testimony as completely worthless.  The statements made under oath 
by the defendants were accepted as absolutely true when when they could 
serve to support the Indictment, but conversely the statements were 
characterized as perjurt when they refuted the Indictment.  That is very 
elementary, but it is not a convincing basis for demonstration of proof."

	Those who may have expected that Goering would say something 
remarkable were surely disappointed.  The flat denial that he had knowledge of 
the "terrible mass murders" which he condemned and "cannot understand" was 
followed with claims that he "did not want a war" and did not "bring it about."  
Only at the end of a short and very dull speech did Goering speak of his country: 
"the only motive which guided me was my ardent love for my people, its 
happiness, its freedom and its life.  And for this I call on the Almighty and my 
German people to witness."

	But such words from such a man did not ring true.  Papen was beside 
himself and at the luncheon break furiously attacked Goering: "Who in the world 
is responsible for all this destruction if not you? . . . You haven't taken the 
resposibility for anything!  All you do is make bombastic speeches.  It is 
disgraceful!"  Goering laughed at him, but nobody joined in, and Goering won no 
praise for his effort."

	--pages 535-6 (First Paperback Edition)

	Now you can go tell your handlers that they have, once more, 
misinformed you.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   the Criminal Giwer shows his ignorance of the law again:
>  On 6 Dec 1996 20:41:49 -0500, karlpov@access1.digex.net (Charles R.L.
>  Power) wrote:

>  >Just to bend over backward, I'll say that it isn't clear to me
>  >whether, when he started the questioning, Jackson did or didn't
>  >believe in the machine, or whether the rumors might have some
>  >basis in reality. However, it's crystal-clear that he didn't 
>  >charge anyone with using such a device, so it would seem to any
>  >reasonable observer that at worst, he accepted Speer's representation
>  >that the rumors were fantasies and abandoned any plans he may 
>  >have had to make such charges.

>  >(Or our torturers failed to adequately instruct Speer that he was
>  >supposed to back up the reports so we could persecute more innocent
>  >Germans.... Why didn't we pull off a couple of the sumbitch's fingers,
>  >anyhow?)
  
>  	Rather to point out again, the question was without foundation and
>  as such would be inadmissable in a fair trial.  
  
>  	But under those rules, they would have had to provide a foundation
>  for the mass execution witness testimony also.  That would have ruined
>  everything.

	It was *cross-examination* you ignorant fool.  Foundation is presented 
*after* the question and then only when the witness denies the truth f the 
assertion.  Since the follow-up question asked if the story was circulated as 
propaganda and Speer stated that it was, there was no need to go further.

	If you wnat to write about law, stop getting your legal ideas from Perry 
Mason reruns.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:
>  On 8 Dec 1996 02:27:57 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>  >	It was *cross-examination* you ignorant fool.  Foundation is presented 
>  >*after* the question and then only when the witness denies the truth f the 
>  >assertion.  Since the follow-up question asked if the story was circulated as 
>  >propaganda and Speer stated that it was, there was no need to go further.
>  >
>  >	If you wnat to write about law, stop getting your legal ideas from Perry 
>  >Mason reruns.

>  Jackson clearly did not "ask" if the story was circulated as
>  propaganda.   Jackson presented it as a true event and Jackson even
>  said he had evidence indicating the story was true.  

	Yes, dummy. That's how cross examination works.  For example, if Giwer 
was being cross-examined it would be acceptable to ask:

	"I have a document in front of me that state  that Hebrew is not the 
official language of Israel but used only for reading the Torah.  Is that true or 
false?"

	The question neither states nor implies that I believe the contents of the 
document.


  
>  Still trying dazzle 'em with lies wrapped in legalese, eh Yale?
>  Putting your law degree to good work I see. 

	No just trying to explain to some rather stupid and dishonest people how 
you lied.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   the criminal Giwer tries to backtrack:
>  On 9 Dec 1996 05:30:31 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>  >>  >	Then perhaps you will explain why, contrary to general practice,  each 
>  >of 
>  >>  >the defendants was allowed to make a statement to the Court without being 
>  >subject 
>  >>  >to cross-examination.  Each was allowed to state whatever he wanted.  
>  >None made 
>  >>  >the claim that the Holocaust was a "manufactured event."
  
>  >>  	More specific to your statement, perhaps you can explain why Goring
>  >>  was not permitted to make his statement?  

>  >	I find it impossible to explain.  I am in this position becasue I can find 
>  >no indication that he was prevented from doing so.  In fact, Telford Taylor in 
>  >"The Anatomy of the Nuremberg Trials" states;

>  >	A guard holding a pole with a microphone moved it within Goering's 
>  >reach and he rose to speak:

>  >	"The prosecution in the final speeches, has treated the defendants 
>  >and their testimony as completely worthless.  The statements made under oath 
>  >by the defendants were accepted as absolutely true when when they could 
>  >serve to support the Indictment, but conversely the statements were 
>  >characterized as perjurt when they refuted the Indictment.  That is very 
>  >elementary, but it is not a convincing basis for demonstration of proof."

>  >	Those who may have expected that Goering would say something 
>  >remarkable were surely disappointed.  The flat denial that he had knowledge of 
>  >the "terrible mass murders" which he condemned and "cannot understand" 
was 
>  >followed with claims that he "did not want a war" and did not "bring it about."  
>  >Only at the end of a short and very dull speech did Goering speak of his 
country: 
>  >"the only motive which guided me was my ardent love for my people, its 
>  >happiness, its freedom and its life.  And for this I call on the Almighty and my 
>  >German people to witness."

>  >	But such words from such a man did not ring true.  Papen was beside 
>  >himself and at the luncheon break furiously attacked Goering: "Who in the 
world 
>  >is responsible for all this destruction if not you? . . . You haven't taken the 
>  >resposibility for anything!  All you do is make bombastic speeches.  It is 
>  >disgraceful!"  Goering laughed at him, but nobody joined in, and Goering won 
no 
>  >praise for his effort."

>  >	--pages 535-6 (First Paperback Edition)
  
>  	I was referring to his attempted reading of an opening statement as
>  follows.  

	Then why didn't yopu say so.  The posts were in reference to the final 
statements by the defendants.  Your post, as anyone with even a tangential 
knowledge of the English language will notice, does not indicate that you were 
starting a new topic.  Indeed you strongly implied (or deliberately misrepresented  
-- observers can take their choice) that he was prevented from making his final 
statement.

	It is god to see that youy now recognize that Goering was, in fact, 
permitted to make a statement to the Tribunal without  limitation, cross-examination 
or response.  I take you are willing to concede as well that he did not state that 
the Holocaust was a manufactured event even though he had such an 
opportunity.

>  	"As Reichsmarschall of the Greater German Reich, I assume political
>  resonsibility for my own acts.  Although answerable for these acts
>  only to the German people and to the Germany courts, I am nevertheless
>  willing without recognizing the jurisdiction of this Tribunal, to
>  provide it with any explanations that are desired and to speak the
>  whole truth.  I do however refuse to accept responsibility for acts
>  committed by others -- acts of which I was unaware and which I would
>  not have approved of or been able to prevent had I known of them."
  
>  	Sir Geoffrey Lawrence refused to let him read this statement.

	You had better go back and tell your handlers they goofed again.  
Goering did *not* try to make an opening statement (which was done by his 
counsel Otto Stahmer); he attemted to read this statement when asked to plead to 
the charges.  That is the indictment was read and the defendants were asked for a 
plea.  The procedure set forth in Article 24 of the Charter was:

	"The proceedings at the Trial shall take to following course:

	"(a) The Indictment shall be read in court.

	"(b) The Tribunal shall ask each Defendant whether he pleads "guilty" or 
"not guilty."

	It was at this point that Goering stated "Before I answer the question of 
the Tribunal whether or not I am guilty. . . . ".  At this point Lawrence, quite properly, 
ruled that he was out of order.      (Taylor "The Anatomy of the Nuremberg Trials"; 
page 166).  Tha is fairly standard procedure.

>  	Now that you know the pretense that he did not object to the
>  jursidiction of the IMT is over.  

	What are you babbling about now?  Not only has that statement not the 
question to which I was responding (since you apparently did not read it the first 
time it was whether the defendants had the opportunity to argue that the Holocaust 
was a "manufactured" event) but I cannot recall anybody ever making that claim.

	But this is how you operate, is it not?  Two of your standard techniques 
are apparent here.  One is to fabricate some nonsense then, when it is exposed as 
such claim that you said something else.  The second to falsely put words into 
someone's mouth.  Both are dishonest.

	But you knew that already.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Tue Dec 10 05:43:08 PST 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:

   
>    Himmler's Ponzan speech would be sent to experts
>    to determine if the speech is authentic, the loser 
>    (whether it woulkd be Giwer or Nizkor) would pay
>    the costs of the analysis.
    
>  Are you game?
>  All rightie, then....Mr. E. claims that becuase we do not come forth 
>  with the hundreds of thousands of dollars to subject this recording
>  to detailed analysis, we are somehow in error.....Let's turn this argument
>  around for the sake of argument:

	The cost estimated by a reputable laboratory (used by the NJ State 
Police) was under $2000.   The deal was, as well, that Nizkor would pay all costs 
if it turned out not to be Himmler.

	Put up or shut up.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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	In October, 1941, Hinrich Lohse., Riech Commisioner for the Baltic 
States, prohibited the German forces in Latvia from murdering Jews.  His concern 
was not about the murders but that fact that they were being done 
indiscriminately, that is without determining whether the murder victims were useful 
to the war production industries.  The SS, deprived of their fun, protested to the 
Reich Ministry for the Occupied Eastern Territories, who immediately asked him to 
explain his actions.  On 15 November 1941 he wrote to the Reich Ministry asking:

	"I have forbidden the indiscriminate executions of Jews in Lepaya 
[Latvia] becasue they were not carried out in a justifiable manner.

	"I should like to to be informed whether your inquiry of 31 October is to 
be regarded as a directive to liquidate all Jews in the east.  Is this to take place 
without regard to age and sex and economic requirements (of the Wehrmacht, for 
instance, for specialists in the armaments industry)? . . . . .

	"So far I have not been able to find such a directive either in the 
regulations regarding the Jewish question in the 'Brown Portfolio' or in other 
directives."

	Nuremberg Document PS 3663 (the ellipsis is a handwritted marginal 
note stating "Of course the cleansing of the east of Jews is a necessary task; its 
solution, however, must be harmonized with the necessities of war production."  It 
is unknown whether this note was part of Lohse's report or was added in the 
Reich Ministry when the reply was being formulated.)

	Otto Brautigam, head of the political department of the Reich Ministry  
for the Occupied Eastern Territories responded to Lohse stating in pertinent part;

	"The Jewish question has probably been clarified by now through 
verbal discussions.  Economic considerations are to be regarded as fundementally 
irrelevant in the settlement of the problem.  Moreover, it is requested that 
questions which arise should settled directly with the Senior SS and Police 
Leaders."

	Nuremberg Document PS-3666

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   the criminal Giwer still doesn't get it:
>  On 9 Dec 1996 07:06:19 GMT, schultr@ashur.cc.biu.ac.il (Richard
>  Schultz) wrote:
  
>  >Kurt Stele (kurtstel@micron.net) wrote:

>  >: The tape is a likely forgery like so much else in the Holohoax.  

>  >Then why not take up the challenge to have it tested?  You have absolutely
>  >nothing to lose.
  
>  	Why has not the national archives taken a pleasant one hour drive
>  down the road and had it done already?  

	Why bother?  Only a few kooks think it is not Himmler and those, like 
the criminal Giwer,  have not the intestinal fortitude to put their prevarications to a 
scientific test.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: kurt stele and his nuremberg "cite"
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>   mstein@access5.digex.net (Michael P. Stein) writes:
>  In article <32ac5eb9.980795@news.gte.net>,
>  Matt Giwer (mgiwer@gte.net) under the name
>  Force  wrote:

>  >	Do you reallly think the lurkers are dumb enough to accept your
>  >unsupported and otherwise undocumented claims?  
  
>      Well, the confessed liar Matt Giwer would appear to think that the
>  lurkers are dumb enough to accept his unsupported and otherwise
>  undocumented claims, even after he has been caught in mistake after
>  mistake and lie after lie.  So why not? 

	Even more surprising is that he expects them to believe that when a 
prosecutor examines a defendant he is doing something other than 
cross-examination.  I wonder if a canvas of printers in the Tampa area would show a 
recent large order for deeds to the Brooklyn Bridge?

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   the criminal Giwer spews:
>  On 9 Dec 1996 05:09:38 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>  >>  	Excuse me, identified by who or what, lying kike shyster?  

>  >	The National Archives.
>      
>  	Ah, yes.  From the man who brought us the imaginary affiliation of
>  the Freeman brothers.  But then, who in fact identified it and by what
>  means?  As you certainly know, the NA (not the one you love) acts
>  through experts and presents the opinion of the expert as a sponsored
>  determination.  

	And they have considered the tape as a speech by Himmler.

>  >>  	And just how could the archivist testify as to the chain of custody
>  >>  before he received it?  That was a rhetorical question, he would lie
>  >>  like a kike shyster.  

>  >	Because it was used at Nuremberg and constitutes part of a certified 
court 
>  >record.  No chain of custody is required.  Instead of using some some trick 
technical 
>  >phrase you half-heard on a Perry Mason rerun, you might try learning what it 
means.
  
>  	Then you are saying that all that can be said about it is that it
>  was used in the same trial where the Soviets murdered a couple hundred
>  people to create a movie to be used against the defendants.  

	No, asshole that establishes the chain of custody.

  
>  	Believe me, good sir, I am impressed with that as an authenticating
>  source.  At least, according to the lying kike shyster, we know at
>  least that it was used in a show trial.  But as to the speaker, we
>  still know nothing other than the claim of people who murdered to
>  create false evidence.  

	You did not ask about authenticity, you asked about chain of custody.

	By the way, criminal one,  we are still waiting for you to back up a 
single one of your many claims about the Nuremberg Trials.  Surely there is at 
least one that is not a lie.

	--YFE	


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   the criminal Giwer hasn't a clue:
>  On 9 Dec 1996 01:21:44 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>  >	Yes, dummy. That's how cross examination works.  For example, if 
Giwer 
>  >was being cross-examined it would be acceptable to ask:

>  >	"I have a document in front of me that state  that Hebrew is not the 
>  >official language of Israel but used only for reading the Torah.  Is that true or 
>  >false?"

>  >	The question neither states nor implies that I believe the contents of 
the 
>  >document.
  
>  	And, given the legal genius who asks the quesiton, the answer would
>  be ... 
  
>  	"I have no idea what the document in front of you says nor even if
>  you have a document in front of you, fool.  For all I know you are
>  lying."  

	At which point the judge would instruct you to answer the question.

  
>  	Then the silly, lying kike would have to present the document to at
>  least show the court he had a document and was not attempting to
>  mislead the court, the court being the superior party in the case.  

	Wrong.  I have a right to answer to my question.  This is 
impeachment.  By the way the court is not a party to any case.


>  	Then its contents would have to be introduced into evidence to
>  indicate what it said.  And then the shyster's client would replace
>  the shyster because the witness made a fool of him.  

	Wrong again.  The document would only be marked if the witness 
denied it existed.

  
>  	And then it would be clear the shyster was lying and that he
>  attempted to deceive the court with his assertion and the judge would
>  likely hold him in contempt if not refer him for disciplinary action.

	Wrong again.  No laywer would ask that question unless he had the 
document.

>  	And you really would ask a question as stupid as you proposed to
>  ask.  That does not say much for the legal talent available in
>  Pennsylvania.  

	No criminal one.  The question would be asked.  You would be 
required to answer it.  When you denied it existed *you* not the court would be 
presented with the document.  And the jury would be snickering at the idiot who 
wrote such nonsense.

	--YFE


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>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:

>  Post war photos of Typhus victims having nothing to do with any
>  "exterminations".

	You can diagnose typhus from photographs?

	I really hope that you are going to write up this technique and submit it 
to a medical journal or two.

[Moranic drivel snipped because it is stupid even for him]


>  	Presentation or referral to the photos as evidence for the
>  Holocaust story is corrupt.

	The only "corruption" you note is the foul smell from your bigoted lies.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   the criminal Giwer spews:

>  On Mon, 09 Dec 1996 23:27:53 +0000, Chuck Ferree 
>  wrote:

>  >This is getting out of hand. You guys are getting close to libel, 
>  >because your accusations are lies and you can't prove a word. I'm not 
>  >surprised by your lies, but you had better be a little careful when 
>  >you say that Chuck Ferree said this or that, unless you prove, exactly 
>  >what was said, it's just a lie.

>  >Force is Matt Giwer, 
  
>  	How do you know?  You are aware that there is no way to prove
>  authorship of any post in usenet are you not?  What will that do to
>  your "libel" accusation?  

	Other than Perry Mason reruns do you have a single reference to back 
up this absurd claim.  Netcom.net thought otherwise.  Att.net thought otherwise.  
Certainly gte.net thinks otherwise.

	--YFE


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>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:

>  	You say there is something written in a book? You say "several
>  chapters"?

	That is frequently the case.

> Of course this would be 'testimony' - right? Would anyone
>  be able to prove any of it? Is there any documentation other than what
>  someone said?

	Why don't you look at the book and find out.  That's what most people 
would do.  If they had questions they would look at the footnotes and the 
references.

>  	Now this is more like it. "Pictures".

	For an illiterate clown like you.


> You say Arad's book
>  includes several pictures, from the Kurt Franz Album? Are any of these
>  pictures carried by other Holocaust books, museums, websites - like -
>  Nizkor? If not, would you know why?

	Why don't you look at the books and check?  You've been told in the 
past what books are.  They can be found in libraries.  For your future reference:
"library: 1. a room or building where a collection of books. periodicals, etc.  is kept
 2. an institutionin charge of the care and circulation of such a collection; 3. a 
collection of books periodicals, etc." (Webster's New World Dictionary).

	Is this process starting to become clear to you?
  
>  	I might think this book by Arad might be a bit difficult for
>  people to get a hold of

	Not really.  Most people know what a library is.  Now that you have this 
basic knowledge perhaps you could experiment.

> and it might be a service of Nizkor to include
>  these photos in their files.

	Are you volunteering to do and/or pay for the work?

  
>  	Or perhaps you could post them yourself. 

	Or perhaps, now that you know what a "book" is and what a "library" 
is, you could do your own work.

	--YFE	



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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Clearing the air about Posen
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>   the criminal Giwer still can't figure it out:
>  On 9 Dec 1996 23:13:17 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>  >>  >	Because it was used at Nuremberg and constitutes part of a certified 
>  >court 
>  >>  >record.  No chain of custody is required.  Instead of using some some trick 
>  >technical 
>  >>  >phrase you half-heard on a Perry Mason rerun, you might try learning what 
it 
>  >means.

>  	Only from the time it was turned over to the NA and then the
>  custody testimony can only start at the point it was turned over.  He
>  can not testify to the chain of custody prior to receiving it.  
  
>  	Therefore it is incomplete.  

	Wrong again.  No cahin of custdy is required for a court record.
    
>  	I questioned its authenticity.  The subject of custody came up.
>  Noting of substance has been introduced in that matter.  The chain of
>  custody prior to the NA receiving it has not been addressed.  Where
>  was it found?  

	It most certainly has.  The problem is that you know a phrase but not its 
meaning.


>  	I have done much more than you have in your drunken ravings
>  including conclusive demonstration of manufactured evidence by the
>  Soviets which likely included the murder of a couple hundred people to
>  fake the evidence.  

	Please post this marvelous proof of "manufactured" evidence.  Be very 
specific.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: kurt stele and his nuremberg "cite"
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>   the criminal Giwer blows it:

>  	And in a fair trial, something the lying kike shyster will not
>  consider, if the defense does not bring it up in direct examination,
>  the prosecution can not go into it in cross. But in this case, the
>  shyster claims it was permitted.  Therefore, it was not a fair trial.

	The criminal Giwer heard another phrase on Perry Mason but:

	1.  The credibility of a witness is *always* at issue on cross.  That 
prohibition only applies to substantive testimony not impeachment.  If, for example, 
a witness has a prior conviction for perjury and it is not mentioned on direct, it can 
still be used on cross.

	2.  Speer testified on direct about both the German r&d and armaments 
and their propaganda efforts at the end of the war.  *Anything* concerned with 
either of those topics is therefore fair game on cross.

	3.  No objection was made at trial.  it is therefore waived.

	4.  the criminal Giwer has not read the testimony of Speer and, 
therefore, does not know what happened on direct.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Thu Dec 12 05:23:01 PST 1996
Article: 85164 of alt.revisionism
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: A Nazi replies to a War Criminal
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>   dstowers@wolfenet.com (Drew Stowers) writes:
>   the criminal Giwer under one of his psuedonyms wrote:

>  >	Hang on there.  Verified pre- and post-WWII population statistics
>  >are one of the things that the holohuggers have refused to post.  As
>  >you have such figures, please post them and the sources.  Much
>  >appreciated.  
  
>  The Nuremberg indictment list the Jewish dead at 5.7 million.  The
>  estimate population of Jews living in Nazi occupied Europe was 10
>  million.  (A different estimate was anywhere between 4.5 million and
>  4.1 million.)

	You should note that you are responding to an admitted liar who has a 
rather vivid imagination and no scruples whatsoever who is playing a game.  He has 
been informed several times where such statisitics can be found including "Appendix 
A: The Fate of the Jews in Hitler's Europe" in Lucy Dawidowicz's "The War Against 
the Jews; 193-1945) (pages 357-401 of the paperback edition).  He is, however, too 
lazy or too stupid to look them up.

	You should be warned as well that, not only are attempts to have a serious 
discussion with Giwer impossible (he has specifically stated that he will not debate) but 
his reactions have included such illegal and/or improper activities for which his 
service has been terminated from four providers as:

	1.  forging the names of others to posts;

	2.  mailbombing his opponents and/or their  ISPs;

	3.  criminally harassing you with obscene e-mail;

	4.  death threats;

	5.  openly fabricating lies which are actionable as defamation and an 
outrageous invasion of privacy.

	He has other nasty habits as well.

	--YFE


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Article: 85174 of alt.revisionism
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Clearing the air about Posen
Date: 12 Dec 1996 01:36:13 GMT
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>   the criminal Giwer shows his ignorance:
>  On 11 Dec 1996 04:59:34 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>  >	Wrong again.  No chain of custody is required for a court record.
>  
>  	OJ's criminal defense attornies should have been told that.  They
>  wasted weeks challenging what was not required in the first place.
>  You do remember trying to show a time when Det. VanAtter might have
>  had access to the blood samples?  

	I do not recall a single court record introduced in the O.J. trial.


>  	You truly have no compunction against lying when it suits you even
>  though literally millions watched the court case on TV know a chain of
>  custody is a requirement.  

	Not of a matter that is an exhibit in a court record.  No such exhibits were 
introduced in the O.J. trial; all questions as to chain of custody were concerned 
with physical evidence held by the police.

  
>  	Is that what is called chutzpah?  

	No.  It's what's called educating an ignoramus (you) about the real 
meaning of a technical term.  To recap:

	1.  The chain of custody of the tape is established by calling to the stand 
the official at the National Archives supervising the maintanance of the tape.  In 
order to establish that custody he may utilize the business records of the National 
Archives.

	2.  The prior history is established by the certified record of the IMT.

	3.  No further testimony is required.

	4.  Unless you present the court with a reasonable grounds for 
questioning the tape (i.e. some hard evidence) the judge is going to have a snit 
becasue you wasted his time.  (Note:  O.J.'s attorneys presented hard evidence 
that the required police procedures as to preserving evidence had not been 
followed and expert tetimony that indicated tampering with some of the physical 
evidence).

	5.  Your claim that the chain of evidence is not complete is based on 
your speculation that the tape is a forgery, your ignorance of the technical 
requirements of proving a chain of evidence, and your unsupported opinion of the 
IMT.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Clearing the air about Posen
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>   the criminal Giwer, writing under an alias, his dishonest methodology:

>  >:>On 8 Dec 1996 02:09:45 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>  >:>>	It is only unclear to you.  The voice was identified as Himmler's only a 
few 
>  >:>>kooks like you have claimed it is a forgery.

	To which the criminal Giwer engaged in his usual defamation and 
invasion of pivacy:

>  >:>	Excuse me, identified by who or what, lying kike shyster?  

	To whcih Gordon McFee was silly enough to give a real answer:

>  >By expert David Irving, drunken criminal loser.
>  >By "revisionist" hero Robert Faurisson, drunken criminal loser.
>  >By Friedrich Berg, "revisionist", native German, drunken criminal loser.

	Having been soundly trouced the criminal Giwer decided to retreat:

>  	I do not appeal to authorities.

	It should be noted that the criminal Giwer *did* ask for the names of 
those who indentified it.  Unfortunately it is also clear that the criminal Giwer does 
not believe in either expert testimony or (since he has refused the challenge of 
Nizkor to have the tape tested) scientific testimony.  What he believes in are the 
fabrications of his fetid imagination.

	--YFE


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Article: 85186 of alt.revisionism
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   mike@aimetering.com (Mike Curtis) writes:
>  gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) wrote:

>  >Oh, I think you know, Mr. Thomas, as your deafening silence over the 
challenge
>  >demonstrates.

>  CODOH's method when challenged is sparkling silence. So much for
>  _really_ wanting any kind of debate.

	On the other hand, Thomas has made no claims about the authenticity 
of the tape.  Until he does so, I cannot see how the challenge was addressed to 
him.

	--YFE


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Article: 85241 of alt.revisionism
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: kurt stele and his nuremberg "cite"
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>   kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:
>  On 9 Dec 1996 01:21:44 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
 
>  >>   kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:
>  >>  On 8 Dec 1996 02:27:57 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) 
wrote:

>  >>  >	It was *cross-examination* you ignorant fool.  Foundation is presented 
>  >>  >*after* the question and then only when the witness denies the truth f the 
>  >>  >assertion.  Since the follow-up question asked if the story was circulated 
as 
>  >>  >propaganda and Speer stated that it was, there was no need to go 
further.

>  >>  Jackson clearly did not "ask" if the story was circulated as
>  >>  propaganda.   Jackson presented it as a true event and Jackson even
>  >>  said he had evidence indicating the story was true.  

>  >	Yes, dummy. That's how cross examination works.  For example, if 
Giwer 
>  >was being cross-examined it would be acceptable to ask:
  
>  >	"I have a document in front of me that state  that Hebrew is not the 
>  >official language of Israel but used only for reading the Torah.  Is that true or 
>  >false?"

>  >	The question neither states nor implies that I believe the contents of 
the 
>  >document.
  
>  >JACKSON:  Now, I have certain information, which was placed in my hands, 
>  >of an experiment which was carried out near Auschwitz and I would 
>  >like to ask you if you heard about it or knew about it.  
  
>  Jackson presents it as a serious claim, and then goes into great
>  detail about the claim.   

	Not when you read the question and the follow-up questions which 
clearly indicate that it was cross-examination on the propaganda stories 
circulated.

  
>  >The purpose of the experiment was to find a quick and complete 
>  >way of destroying people without the delay and trouble of 
>  >shooting and gassing and burning, as it had been carried out, 
>  >and this is the experiment, as I am advised.  A village, a small 
>  >village was provisionally erected, with temporary structures, and 
>  >in it approximately 20,000 Jews were put.  By means of this 
>  >newly invented weapon of destruction, these 20,000 people  
>  >were eradicated almost instantaneously, and in such a way 
>  >that there was no trace left of them; that it developed, the explosive 
>  >developed, temperatures of  from 400o to 500o centigrade and 
>  >destroyed them without leaving any trace at all.  
  
>  >Do you know about that experiment?
  
>  Jackson asks Speer whether or not Speer knew of this "experiment."
>  That Jackson was seriously questioning Speer about a Nazi evaporation
>  device reveals the depth of absurdity in the Nuremberg Show Trial,
>  along with the quality of the "information" presented there (sic).  


	Since Speer admitted that such stories were circulated, Jackson's 
cross seems to be dead on.  Now post the follow-up questions.  And while you're 
at it, post something that shows this something other than cross-examination as 
you have claimed.

	--YFE




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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: kurt stele and his nuremberg "cite"
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>   the criminal Giwer demonstrates how to be held in contempt of court:
>  On 11 Dec 1996 05:20:13 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>  >>  >	Yes, dummy. That's how cross examination works.  For example, if 
>  >Giwer 
>  >>  >was being cross-examined it would be acceptable to ask:

>  >>  >	"I have a document in front of me that state  that Hebrew is not the 
>  >>  >official language of Israel but used only for reading the Torah.  Is that true 
or 
>  >>  >false?"

>  >>  >	The question neither states nor implies that I believe the contents of 
>  >the 
>  >>  >document.
  
>  >>  	And, given the legal genius who asks the quesiton, the answer would
>  >>  be ... 
>  >  
>  >>  	"I have no idea what the document in front of you says nor even if
>  >>  you have a document in front of you, fool.  For all I know you are
>  >>  lying."  
  
>  >	At which point the judge would instruct you to answer the question.
  
>  	I did.  You made a statement about the document itself rather than
>  the contents of the document.  It is called english.  At best your can
>  learn to phrase a question properly.  

	No.  You answered the question you wanted to answer, not the 
question that was asked.  Upon my request the court would direct you to answer.


>  >	Wrong.  I have a right to answer to my question.  This is 
>  >impeachment.  By the way the court is not a party to any case.

>  	As for the court not being a party, then the court can not
>  adjudicate perjury as it was towards an individual and a civil matter.

	A court does not "adjudicate" perjury, it can only refer the matter to the 
state for prosecution.  Moreover, that offense, as is contempt, is directed to the 
court not the party.

	The remainder of the criminal Giwer's demonstration that he does not 
know whereof he speaks deleted.

	--YFE



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>   the criminal Giwer lies again:
>  On 11 Dec 1996 05:10:12 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>  
>  >>   the criminal Giwer blows it:

>  >	1.  The credibility of a witness is *always* at issue on cross.  That 
>  >prohibition only applies to substantive testimony not impeachment.  If, for 
example, 
>  >a witness has a prior conviction for perjury and it is not mentioned on direct, it 
can 
>  >still be used on cross.
  
>  	Here he forgets that millions of people followed the OJ trial and
>  know the reason OJ was not on the stand.  He would have had to say
>  something with regard to the murders and his actions and thus open all
>  of those subjects up to cross-examination.  

	Apparently  the criminal Giwer cannot read.  That is exactly what I 
stated  in the following:
  
>  >	2.  Speer testified on direct about both the German r&d and armaments 
>  >and their propaganda efforts at the end of the war.  *Anything* concerned 
with 
>  >either of those topics is therefore fair game on cross.
  
>  	He was a friendly witness and volunteered information in return for
>  staying alive.  So?  

	No.  Speer was not a "friendly witness."

>  	Excuse me but he did not have the protections of the US
>  Constitution to decline to testify.  Or are you going to claim that he
>  did?  

	The question is irrelevant.  He was *not* called to the stand by the 
prosecution (none of the defendants were).  He was put on the stand by his 
attorney and subjected to cross examination.  Since, by the time this occurred, 
the prosecution had rested he most certainly could have declined to testify.

>  	The boozing jews still dances naked with a yellow star pinned
>  through his nipple.  

	Thank you for admitting, yet again, that you are making this all up.

	--YFE


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>   gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:
>  In message  - olk@login.dknet.dk 
(Ole
>  Kreiberg)Sun, 08 Dec 1996 22:06:02 +0100 writes:

>  :>But it was not allowed to question whether the holocaust had happened in
>  :>the first place.
  
>  Wrong.  There were no limits on what the defendants could say in their
>  statements to the court.

	Not only were there no restrictions on content but the statements 
were given *after* the closing arguments of the prosecution.  Not only were the 
defendants not cross-examined on their statements but the prosecution was not 
permitted to respond to any of the statements.

	No "revisionist" has ever posted a single jurisdiction where such a 
procedure is permitted.  It is permitted neither by anglo-american jurisprudence 
or the Code Napoleon.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re:  A Nazi discusses war crimes (And response to Chuck)
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>   jstuart@tristar.org (Jim Stuart) writes:
>  
>  
>  
>  chuckf2323@aol.com writes

>  > I'm looking for your follow-ups to the original thread. Since Giwer has
>  > goaded you to take what I wrote out of context, and now accuse me of 
being
>  > a war criminal who should be sent to Germany for trial, I think you both
>  > need to double check your own writing, and exactly what I wrote in
>  > context, in order for your lies to be corrected. Whether an apology is
>  > issued, makes no difference to me, although I do believe one is in order,
>  > but being labeled a war criminal is pretty harsh business.
>  > Chuck Ferree
  
>  Chuck, my old files show the following quote from one of your old
>  posts, dated prior to 27 Nov, 1996:
  
>  > Sure the RAF bombed civilians, the US Air Force bombed civilians, The
>  > German-Austrians bombed civilians, before any one else...in Spain and
>  > Ethiopia. Japan bombed civilians, hell every one with airplanes bombed
>  > civilians. I personally bombed civilians and strafed them too. It was
>  > a war, man!

>  According to this, you stated that you personally bombed civilians and
>  strafed them too.  So:
  
>  If you did knowingly and intentionally bomb and strafe civilians,
>  then yes, Chuck, I believe that your actions would fall within
>  the definition of a war crime.  The conclusion about your particular
>  status would follow from that.

	Your definition is incomplete.  You are, unfortunately, leaving 
something out of the equation.  Specifically the phrase "of no military 
significance."  There is nothing "criminal" about attacking civilians contributing 
to the war effort.  By your definition  u-boat warfare -- which was an attack upon 
*civilian* shipping  -- was a war crime.  Likewise, so would be attacking a troop 
train in occupied France (the French railroads were run by civilians).  Likewise  
the bombing of Ploesti (operated by civilians) or the Penemunde rocket bases 
(where many of the workers were slave laborers) would be labelled "war 
crimes"  by your definition.  Since your definition produces unacceptable results 
it cannot be considered a good one.

	A fighter pilot assigned to strafe railroads (and if I remember correctly 
the Thunderbolt was considered especially good for this purpose) was 
attacking civilian targets but is not, by any strecth of the imagination a war 
criminal.



>  So you see, Chuck;  we Nazi's aren't so evil after all, are we?  And
>  we never were.  The government lied to you about us, and about Adolf
>  Hitler.  If you only knew the brilliance of the Fuhrer's vision;
>  if you would only open your eyes to the truth of Mein Kampf, you
>  would see that National Socialism is the best hope for the future
>  of the world!  





	Unless, of course, if you are a gypsy, a Jew, A Pole, A Slovak, a 
Czech, a Slovene, a Slav, a "useless life" or any other member of a group that 
your heros considered inferior.  In that case, you "best hope" would be a quick 
death.  The alternative was slavery or slow starvation.

	--YFE


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Article: 85291 of alt.revisionism
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Jewish math: 6 million minus 2.5 million= 6million, of course!
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>   "Thomas Stedham"  writes:
>  Semitic semantics! Now they are saying that nobody claimed 4 million JEWS
>  were killed at Auschwitz, so that doesn't lower the jew body count...

	That is correct.  The claim was never made.  The Poles claimed that 
4,000,000 PEOPLE were murdered there.


>  My question is this: if, before 1990, 6 million jews had been killed in the
>  holocaust, how many were counted as coming from Auschwitz?

	1.0 to 1.5 million.


> It seems to me
>  that if you drop that overall Auschwitz total from 4 million to 1.5
>  million, it is reasonable to assume that you would lose a few jews, too.

	That is not how the number was calculated.

>  But not according to "Brian McVay" from Nizkor and other deluded persons
>  who wrote me. No, according to all of them, miraculously, the total jewish
>  body count remains at, surprise, 6 MILLION!! So, I guess they had the right
>  count all along, and just didn't want to share it with anyone.

	Since the accurate figures have been presented by every historian 
since 1950, the unwillingness "to share" was only with the lazy or the illiterate 
who refused to read their books.

>  So, how many jews did the jews say were killed at Auschwitz, BEFORE
>  relentless pressure from revisionists forced them to lower their count?
>  That's the key. Because if they used a figure that doesn't jibe with the
>  above tally, then it is just plain wrong, according to one of their own
>  leading "experts."

	The figure since Reitlinger wrote the first serious history of the 
Holocaust (most likely before you were born) is 1.0 to 1.5 million.


> Where does this holy 6 million figure come from?

	There have been various methods for computing the number that 
were murdered by the nazis.  *None* used the figures you suggest.  If you wish 
to examine the methods used by one respected historian, read Appendix A: 
"The Fate of the Jews in Hitler's Europe by Country" in "The War Against the 
Jews: 1933-1945)  by Lucy Dawidowicz written in 1975.  If you just want open 
your mouth and spout anti_semitc bullshit don't bother.  The facts will just 
confuse you.
  
>  Jewish math, semitic semantics, it's all cover for the same thing: protect
>  the holocaust story at all costs, no matter how absurd...

	Apparently it's the latter.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   the criminal Giwer charges:
>  On 10 Dec 1996 22:44:25 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>  >>      We know that Matt Giwer has no assets worth pursuing in a libel
>  >>  action.  How about you? 

>  >	Perhaps the criminal Giwer does not, but his ISP does.
  
>  	A typical kike shyster suggesting a harrassing lawsuit knowing full
>  well he is making another jew terrorist suggestion.  

	NO!   I am suggesting that a person who you have, with malice, lied 
about consider a a legal action against one of the parties responsible for that 
tortious act.  Of course, you do not like it.  It would interfer with your deliberate and 
illegal harassment of others.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: A Nazi discusses war crimes (And response to Chuck)
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>   olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) writes:
>  In article <58o6e5$av5@news.enter.net>, Yale F. Edeiken wrote:

>  >       Unless, of course, if you are a gypsy, a Jew, A Pole, A Slovak, a 
>  >Czech, a Slovene, a Slav, a "useless life" or any other member of a group 
>  >that your heros considered inferior.  In that case, you "best hope" would 
>  >be a quick death.  The alternative was slavery or slow starvation.

>    Slavs like Slovaks, Croats and Bulgarians got well along with Nazi-
>  Germany. Germanic nations like Holland and Norway were treated much 
worse
>  than e.g. Slovakia by Germany.

	Sure, nazi boy.  Your nazi heroes just loved the Slavs:

	As Hitler (your hero) wrote in "Mein Kamph" :

	"If land was desired in Europe, it could be obtained by and large only 
at the expense of Russia and this meant that the new Reich must again set 
itself on the march along the road of the Teutonic Knights of old, to obtain by 
the German sword sod for the German plow and daily bread for the nation."  
(Houghton Mifflin translation 1943 in two volumes;  Vol I., page 140.)

	His henchman, likewise, had not illusions about what Hilter meant.	


	"We are a master race, which must remember that the lowliest 
German worker is racially and biologically a thousand times more valuable than 
the population here."

	Erich Koch, Reich Commissioner for the Ukraine March 5, 1943.  
(N.D. PS-1130; Nazi Conspiracy and Aggression Vol. III pages 798-799)

	"the Slavs are to work for us.  In so far as we don't need them, they 
may die.  Therefore compulsory vaccination and German health services are 
superfluous.  The fertility of the Slavs is undesirable.  They may use use 
contraceptives of practice abortion -- the more the better.  Education is 
dangerous.  It is enough if they can up to 100 . . . . . as for food they won't get 
any more than absolutely necessary.  We are the master. We come first."

	Memorandum of an aide to Alfred Rosenberg, Reich Commissioner for 
the Eastern Occupied Territories summarizing a letter from Martin Bormann 
reiterating Hitler's views on the east.  (N.D. R-36; Nazi Conspiracy and 
Agression, Vol. VIII, page 53)

	The Poles fared no better.  In a memorandum from Martin Bormann to 
Hans Frank, Governor General of Poland:  "The task of the priest is to keep the 
Poles quiet, stupid and dull-witted . . . . . indespensable to bear in mind that the 
Polish gentry must cease to exist; however cruel this may sound, they must be 
exterminated . . . . . There should be one master only for the Poles, the German. 
 Two master, side by side, cannot and must not exist.  Therefore, all 
representatives of the Polish intelligentsia are to be exterminated.  This sounds 
cruel, but such is the law of life.  (N.D. USSR-172, Trial of the Major War 
Criminals, Volume VII pages 224-226)

	Hitler's plans for the Czechs, half to be shipped to Germany as slave 
labor and the rest "eliminated" dated October 15, 1940, can be found in a 
report of Gen. Gotthard Heinrici, Deputy General of the Wehrmacht in the 
Protectorate N.D. PS-1919; Nazi Conspiracy and Aggression, Vol. III, pages 
618-619.

	Do you have any more fantasies about how the nazis treated Slavs, 
nazi boy?

	--YFE
	


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Dr. Muench Testifies About Auschwitz
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>   dvdthomas@aol.com writes:

  
>  It doesn't make sense because the combination of wartime shortages and the
>  German penchant for efficiency would not have allowed or considered,
>  respectively, such wasteful and inept handling of the situation.  One of
>  the claims I've read, I think here, is that Germany devoted significant
>  amount of resources to support this supposed Rube Goldberg operation
>  because killing Jews was more important to the Third Reich than the fact
>  that they were being overrun by Russians.  Sorry, but I can't hang with
>  that one.

	Excerpt from a directive sent from Otto Brautigam, director of the political 
department of the Reich Ministry for the  Occupied Eastern Territories to Hinrich 
Lohse, Reich Commissioner for the Baltic States on 15 November 1941 (i.e. while the 
triple thrust against the Soviet Union crucial to making a quick end to the war in the 
east and including the crucial military events known as the siege of Leningrad, the 
battle of Stalingrad, and the battle of Kursk were being planned):

	"The Jewish question has probably been clarified by now through verbal 
discussions.  Economic considerations [including the requirements of the Wehrmacht] 
are to be regarded as fundementally irrelevant in the settlement of the problem."  
Nuremberg Document PS-3666.

	  
>  Your illustrations involve either insane people or inanimate objects for
>  comparison to the German psyche (your wife excepted, of course--I
>  suppose?:-)  That's another popular conception that has no basis in
>  fact--that German operations were conducted in a maniacal, often
>  nonsensical or completely inhuman manner.  That the whole thing was a
>  series of unfathomable actions put together in a maniacal fashion.  They
>  had their share of deranged individuals in positions of power, maybe more
>  than their share, but this hardly applies to the average German, nor to
>  the "German way" of doing things, which stressed efficiency and
>  excellence.  That has long been and still is a cultural trademark.  And so
>  very many of these eyewitness accounts fly directly in the face of that
>  obvious fact with their attribution of crude and nonsensical procedures
>  put together by stupid madmen.

	Perhaps this because some rather stupid madmen were running the show.  
Have you read the chapter on Hitler in  "The Mask of Command" by John Keegan.  
He documents how the general staff -- who might have behaved as you suggest -- 
were systematically excluded from policy considerations and how this exclusion 
progressed during the war?
  
	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   the criminal Giwer spews writes:

>  >>  	How do you know?  You are aware that there is no way to prove
>  >>  authorship of any post in usenet are you not?  What will that do to
>  >>  your "libel" accusation?  

>  >	Other than Perry Mason reruns do you have a single reference to back 
>  >up this absurd claim.  Netcom.net thought otherwise.  Att.net thought 
otherwise.  
>  >Certainly gte.net thinks otherwise.
  
>  	You ignorance of usenet is overwhelming.  You should learn
>  something about it some day.  

	The criminal Giwer admits that he just made it up.

	--YFE


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>   tutu101@aol.com (Tutu101) writes:
>  Concerning Lohse:  Where did this document originate, if I may ask?  (Not
>  from Lohse, as some smart alecks here might reply).  But how, when, where,
>  and by whom was it discovered and submitted as evidence.  Lohse, by the
>  way, was murdered by an assassin in 1943 in Russia.
>  
>>>>
	It was taken from the archives of the Reich Ministry (as indicated by the 
exhibit number).  It was submitted by the prosecution at Nuremberg.

	Since you were given the source, start doing your own research.

	--YFE


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>   tutu101@aol.com (Tutu101) writes:
>  Could this classify as another insult?  Is this how you respond to a
>  person who indicates a willingness to discuss matters peacefully.  Ken
>  Lewis words are highly provocative as well as insulting.  From what I have
>  read these many months, this is a typical response from Holocaust
>  believers.  Your use of insults and name calling will not win you many
>  converts.
>  
>>>>
	Have you told this to the criminal Giwer.

	--YFE


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>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:
>  >tom moran wrote:

>  >>         From reading their material for over 15 years it is my opinion
>  >> that Jews in general just hate others, in general.

>  >Ok, now tell me that THAT is not antisemitism.

>  	It's up to you to say it is. After you announce it you can prove
>  it.

	Res ipsa loquitor.  That is: your statement is anti-Semitic.  This is not 
surprising.  You are an anti-Semite.  As you know, I am willing to prove that 
statement before an impartial tribunal.

	Do you want to challenge me to do so?

	Now go run and hide.

	--YFE


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>   olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) told us that the Slavs just loved being nazi 
slaves in replying, of course, he snipped his lie:


>  In article <58qjbk$sti@news.enter.net>, Yale F. Edeiken wrote:
>  
>  >       Sure, nazi boy.  Your nazi heroes just loved the Slavs:

>  >       As Hitler (your hero) wrote in "Mein Kamph" :
  
>  Hitler, the Kraut - my hero?

	Since, apaprently you are an ethnic German your comment is silly.
  

>  >       "If land was desired in Europe, it could be obtained by and large only 
>  >at the expense of Russia and this meant that the new Reich must again set 
>  >itself on the march along the road of the Teutonic Knights of old, to obtain by 
>  >the German sword sod for the German plow and daily bread for the nation."  
>  >(Houghton Mifflin translation 1943 in two volumes;  Vol I., page 140.)

  
>  They were against the Slavs in Russia, Ukraine and Poland, because they 
>  wanted to grab some of their territory 

	No, nazi boy, *all* of their territory.  Their annouced program, as 
demonstrated, was to enslave and/or exterminate the locals.  Nor was this 
restricted to the places you named. 


>       "We are a master race, which must remember that the lowliest 
>  >German worker is racially and biologically a thousand times more valuable than 
>  >the population here."
  
>  A lot of silly German chauvinism.

	Please note that nazi boy Krieberg eliminated the citation which 
demonstrated that far from being a statement of "silly German chauvinism" was an 
internal planning memorandum and directive.

  
>  >       "the Slavs are to work for us.  In so far as we don't need them, they 
>  >may die.  

>  From the Jewish Bible, Talmud. The Bible of "God's chosen people" teachs:
  
>  The Earth was created only for the sake of the Jews. (Vayikra Rabba 36)


	Nazi boy Kreiberg responds to an attack on his beloved nazis with a 
burst of foot stomping anti-Semitism.  Apparently his bigotry is compounded by 
ignorance.  Anybody who has read the Talmud know that the citation he gives for 
the supposed "quotations"  are fraudulent.  Will nazi boy go back and tell his 
handlers they misinformed him again.  Don't bet on it.  

	Poor little nazi boy, he probably still believes in his discredited philosophy 
that, once more, he has been caught lying about.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: kurt stele and his nuremberg "cite"
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>   kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:
>  >>  >JACKSON:  Now, I have certain information, which was placed in my 
hands, 
>  >>  >of an experiment which was carried out near Auschwitz and I would 
>  >>  >like to ask you if you heard about it or knew about it.  
  
>  >>  Jackson presents it as a serious claim, and then goes into great
>  >>  detail about the claim.   

>  >	Not when you read the question and the follow-up questions which 
>  >clearly indicate that it was cross-examination on the propaganda stories 
>  >circulated.
  
>  Jackson didn't ask Speer if it was a propaganda story.  Instead
>  Jackson presented the facts associated with it as true. 

	No,  He asked whether Speer knew about it or heard about it.  His 
follow up question is very clear.

>  If Jackson wanted to ask Speer about the veracity of the story or the
>  use of propaganda Jackson would have.  Jackson didn't.  

	Wrong.  He used a standard technique of cross-examination.

  
  
>  You have never posted it was direct or cross-examination as you have
>  been asked to do.   If the excerpt is cross-examination you have yet
>  to prove it and if you do it still does not help.

	Only a lying ignoramus like you would be confused as to whether a 
prosecutor examining a defendant is cross-examining him.  Even if Jackson 
would have called him to the stand (he didn't) it would be cross-examination.




>   Jackson presented
>  it as a serious claim and one that actually happened.  U.S Prosecutors
>  were thus inquiring into "Jew vaporization devices" at Nuremberg.  So
>  much for the "credibility" (sic) of the Nuremberg trials. 
	That is your misinterpretation.  It should be noted that it comes from 
someone who needs proof that when a prosecutor examines a defendant it is 
cross-examination.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Worthless Photo Evidence
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>   kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:
>  On 11 Dec 1996 04:03:20 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
  
>  >>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:

>  >>  Post war photos of Typhus victims having nothing to do with any
>  >>  "exterminations".

>  >	You can diagnose typhus from photographs?

>  >	I really hope that you are going to write up this technique and submit it 
>  >to a medical journal or two.
  
>  Alongside your article that one can diagnose gassing from photos,
>  especially bodies which appear emaciated and sickly, the common state
>  of bodies after typhus or starvation.  

	Of course, no one has made this statement,  Stele is lying again.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:
>  On 12 Dec 1996 02:23:52 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>  >>   gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:

>  >>  Wrong.  There were no limits on what the defendants could say in their
>  >>  statements to the court.

>  >	Not only were there no restrictions on content but the statements 
>  >were given *after* the closing arguments of the prosecution.  Not only were the 
>  >defendants not cross-examined on their statements but the prosecution was not 
>  >permitted to respond to any of the statements.
  
>  Entirely worthless concessions considering the Allied Kangaroo court
>  completely dispensed with hearsay rules and German "witnesses" e.g.,
>  Hoess were tortured.

	Another idiot heard from:

	1.  Please name a jurisdiction using anglo-american law where a 
defendant may make a statement to the finder of fact without cross-examination or 
rebuttal.

	2.  Please name a single item of evidence entered into evidence by the 
Tribunal that does not conform to Rule 803 or Rule 804 of the U.S. Code of 
Evidence.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   Doc Tavish <"tavish@phoenix.net"@phoenix.net> writes:

>  Well done Ian. I want to know why Talmuds aren't readily available for
>  all to read. I can get a Bible at Wal-Mart, a Koran at a book store, the
>  Hare Krishnas will provide you with anything you want when you encounter
>  them, Jehovah's Witnesses will knock at your door and very willing to
>  supply you with all of their publications but why such a dearth when it
>  comes to the Talmud? 

	Have you checked your local bookstore?

	Locally the following chains carry (or will order) the Talmud:

	Border's (both the Seinsaltz and Soncino translations)

	Barnes & Noble (Soncino tranlation)

	Encore (Seinsaltz tranlation)

	On the other hand, not a single local supermarket or drugstore has a 
copy.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Clearing the air about Posen
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>   kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:
>  On 12 Dec 1996 01:36:13 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>  >	No.  It's what's called educating an ignoramus (you) about the real 
>  >meaning of a technical term.  To recap:

>  >	1.  The chain of custody of the tape is established by calling to the stand 
>  >the official at the National Archives supervising the maintanance of the tape.  In 
>  >order to establish that custody he may utilize the business records of the 
National 
>  >Archives.

>  >	2.  The prior history is established by the certified record of the IMT.

>  >	3.  No further testimony is required.

>  >	4.  Unless you present the court with a reasonable grounds for 
>  >questioning the tape (i.e. some hard evidence) the judge is going to have a snit 
>  >becasue you wasted his time.  (Note:  O.J.'s attorneys presented hard evidence 
>  >that the required police procedures as to preserving evidence had not been 
>  >followed and expert tetimony that indicated tampering with some of the physical 
>  >evidence).

>  >	5.  Your claim that the chain of evidence is not complete is based on 
>  >your speculation that the tape is a forgery, your ignorance of the technical 
>  >requirements of proving a chain of evidence, and your unsupported opinion of 
the 
>  >IMT.

>  Untested = worthless.

	Wrong.  You are lying again.  The question is not "testing" but 
"identification."  It has been identified.


>  Someday your little Himmler tape may be tested.

	Nah.  It won't be.  None of the little nazis like you have the guts to test it 
even when someone else agrees to pay for it if you are correct.



>  If it is proved genuine at that point the discussion can then move to
>  debunking the one single word on the tape that the Holocausters can
>  ascribe sinister meaning to without basis, which again fails short of
>  specifically mentioning anything about extermination by gassing. 

	You efforts are getting apthetic.


	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: The Criminal Giwer is Wrong Again
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>   kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:
>  On 10 Dec 1996 23:11:48 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>  >	They were not tried in an American court.  They were  given certain 
>  >rights which, in fact, are greater than the rights currently given in either French 
or 
>  >German courts.  They were also given all rights considered basic to a fiar trial 
in 
>  >the U.S. today including:

>  >	1.  the guarantee of counsel (which was *not* part of U.S. practice 
>  >until "Gideon v. Wainwright" in 1964).

>  >	2.  the right to challenge evidence;

>  >	3.  the right of cross-examination;

>  >	4.  the right to present evidence;

>  >	5. the right to testify in their case (not a right in the U.K. until about 
>  >1930; until then the defendant was prohibited from testifying)

>  >	6.  the right to have counsel address the triers of fact;

>  >	7.  the right to examine all documents presented in evidence against 
>  >them at the expense of the prosecution;

>  >	8.  the right of subpoena ad testifcandum and subpeona duces tecum.

>  >	9.  the right to make statements not subject to cross-examination or 
>  >response in any manner whatsoever (please inform me of any court in the U.S. 
>  >that would permit this procedure)

>  >	They did not have the right to a jury trial.  But this right is *not* 
>  >recognized except in Anglo-Saxon jurisprudence.  It is *not* part of the law of 
any 
>  >country in Europe.

>  >	In short, you do nothing but make your usual wild and inaccurate 
>  >statements unsupported by anything other than your lying mouth.

>  Hearsay evidence was allowed and that German witnesses tortured.

	No evidence was admitted that was not admissible under Rule 803 or 
804 of the U.S. Code of Evidence hich sets forth the conditions under which 
hearsay evidence is admissible.  There is no evidence of any witnesses being 
tortured or placed under duress to either testify, testify to something specific, or 
not to testify.

	[rubbish from Stele, without citation, stripped]

>  The Nuremberg Trials ...had been popular throughout the world and
>  particularly in the United States. Equally popular was the sentence
>  already announced by the high tribunal: death. But what
>  kind of trial was this? ...The Constitution was not a collection of
>  loosely given political promises subject to broad interpretation. It
>  was not a list of pleasing platitudes to be set lightly aside when
>  expediency required it. It was the foundation of the American system
>  of law and justice and [Robert Taft} was repelled by the picture of
>  his country discarding those Constitutional precepts in order to
>  punish a vanquished enemy.
  
>  U.S. President, John F. Kennedy 


	That is not a statement of JFK's beliefs.  They are a summarization  of 
Taft's beliefs.  JFK specifically stated that it was not to be taken as a reflection of 
his opinion.



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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:
>  On 12 Dec 1996 05:49:57 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

  
>  >>  If you did knowingly and intentionally bomb and strafe civilians,
>  >>  then yes, Chuck, I believe that your actions would fall within
>  >>  the definition of a war crime.  The conclusion about your particular
>  >>  status would follow from that.

>  >	Your definition is incomplete.  You are, unfortunately, leaving 
>  >something out of the equation.  Specifically the phrase "of no military 
>  >significance."  There is nothing "criminal" about attacking civilians 
contributing 
>  >to the war effort.  
  
>  Then the Nazi systematic extermination of Jewish civiliians, had it
>  actually happened, is justified according to your reasoning.   Jews
>  had declared war on Germany in 1933 and were heavily involved in
>  partisan effort.  

	1.  It happened.

	2.  That's nonsense and you know it.  Apparently you haven't the 
mental prowess to distinguish between attacking  civilians who are assisting the 
military and the sytematic murder of civilian populations.
 
>  >>  So you see, Chuck;  we Nazi's aren't so evil after all, are we?  And
>  >>  we never were.  The government lied to you about us, and about Adolf
>  >>  Hitler.  If you only knew the brilliance of the Fuhrer's vision;
>  >>  if you would only open your eyes to the truth of Mein Kampf, you
>  >>  would see that National Socialism is the best hope for the future
>  >>  of the world!  

>  >	Unless, of course, if you are a gypsy, a Jew, A Pole, A Slovak, a 
>  >Czech, a Slovene, a Slav, a "useless life" or any other member of a group 
that 
>  >your heros considered inferior.  In that case, you "best hope" would be a 
quick 
>  >death.  The alternative was slavery or slow starvation.

>  Still spouting the same old discredited propaganda while
>  simultaneously justifying the actual genocide of Germans through
>  carpet bombings.  Ah you're a "good Jew" Yale.

	Good ahead.  "Discredit" it.  I have posted excerpts from internal 
memoranda of your nazis.

	Ah, you're a good traitor to your country, asshole.

	--YFE





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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:
>  On 10 Dec 1996 22:39:52 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>  >	Unfortunately ity has been authenticated.  Persons familiar with 
>  >Himmler's voice have stated it is him speaking, several persons at the 
speech 
>  >have stated that he made it, and his notes for the speeches are known.
  
>  So what.  Persons "familiar" with Belsen claimed it was an
>  "extermination camp" and that was a lie.  The tape's genuineness has
>  not been subjected to testing.  Since most of the claims for the
>  "holocaust" and several numerical exaggerations have already been
>  exposed as false the tape is probably bogus as well.  Being untested
>  for its genuineness it is worthless.

	Wrong again.  "He who asserts must prove."  You haven;t the guts.

>  >	You have, contrary to the opinion of the National Archives, stated that 
>  >it is a forgery.  "He who asserts must prove."
  
>  The tape is scientifically untested as yet.  Untested = worthless.

	Nonsense.  It has been identified.
	--YFE


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>   kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:
>  On 12 Dec 1996 01:44:34 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>  
>  >>   the criminal Giwer, writing under an alias, his dishonest methodology:

>  >	To which the criminal Giwer engaged in his usual defamation and 
>  >invasion of pivacy:
>  
>  Has Giwer been tried in a court of law as a "criminal"?  He hasn't
>  because you don't have the balls you whining wimpy Jew.

	The criminal Giwer has admitted his criminal harassment.

>    You're
>  labelling him as a "criminal" is slander and premature.

	He has violated the criminal laws.  He is a criminal.  He he objects, he 
may sue.  He hasn't got the balls.

>   He isn't a
>  criminal unless found in a court of law.  Innocent until proven
>  guilty.  Didn't they teach you anything in law school besides how to
>  lie with a straight face, Yalie-poo?  I'm sure you were near the head
>  of your class.  Call it an "ethnic advantage."

	He's a criminal at the moment he violated the criminal laws.  He did so.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) writes:
>  In article <58suqh$m12@news.enter.net>, Yale F. Edeiken wrote:

>  >       No, nazi boy, *all* of their territory.  Their annouced program, as 
>  >demonstrated, was to enslave and/or exterminate the locals.  Nor was this 
>  >restricted to the places you named. 

>   So sure about that. In which way did they exterminate Bulgarians, Croats and
>  Slovaks? Give me some concrete examples.

	I have given you concrete examples of the orders concerning 
Russians, Ukrainians, Czechs, Poles, and Serbs.  Those are a majority of the 
Slavs.


>  >>  The Earth was created only for the sake of the Jews. (Vayikra Rabba 36)

>  >       Nazi boy Kreiberg responds to an attack on his beloved nazis with a 
>  >burst of foot stomping anti-Semitism.  Apparently his bigotry is compounded 
>  >by ignorance.  Anybody who has read the Talmud know that the citation he 
>  >gives for the supposed "quotations"  are fraudulent.  Will nazi boy go back 
>  >and tell his handlers they misinformed him again.  Don't bet on it.  

>   I have the quotes from a translation from 1892 by the Russian professor of 
>  Hebrew I.B. Pranaitis. I have not heard that there should be anything 
>  fraudulent here. Have you? Or are just lying again?

	1.  There is no tractate of the Talmud known as Vayikra Rabba.

	2.  There is no page "36" in any versions of the Talmud.

  
>   Take a look in the Jewish Encyclopedia page 617. Here you can read that
>  the expression "The best among the Gentiles deserves to be killed" is genuine 
>  from the Talmud. In Hebrew it is "Tob shebe-goyim harog". This encyclopedia 
>  is trying to explain it away in the following way: "This utterance has been
>  felt by the Jews to be due to an exaggerated antipathy on the part of a 
>  fanatic whose life experiences may furnish an explanation for his animosity;
>  hence in the various versions the reading has been altered, "the best among 
>  the Egyptians" being general substituted." [Perhaps in the latest versions 
>  Egyptians have been substituted with Palestinians ;-) ]


	The quote is generally considered as an interpolation by the Catholic 
church when they "edited" the Talmud.

	Your are still a lying fraud of a nazi.

	As an ethnic German living in Denmark, you should be more careful 
about your anti-Semitism.  Most Danes do not like such things.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   karlpov@access5.digex.net (Charles R.L. Power) writes:

  
>  Just to be fair, public libraries (as opposed to university libraries,
>  to which not everyone has access) do not commonly have any Talmud, but
>  at best a couple volumes of Talmud selections. The Talmud found in
>  bookstores is in the process of publication--I'd guess that less than half
>  has been published thus far.

	The Jerusalem Talmud and Seinsaltz edition of the Babylonian Talmud 
have not been completely translated.  One of my local bookstores (Barnes & 
Noble) has all of the Seinsatlz Edition that has been published including the 
volume explaining how to study the Talmud.   Another (Border's) stocks all 
volumes of the Soncino Talmud.
  
>  It would be nice if a complete Talmud in English were available on the
>  Web, but I don't believe that there is such a thing, possibly not even
>  on CD-ROM, and it is a bit unreasonable to expect our Nazi-wannabes to 
>  learn Hebrew.

	The Soncino Talmud is available on CD-ROM it is in both in the original 
languages and English.  The price is $299.00.  The Soncino Talmud, Midrash, 
and Zohar are available as a set for $589.00.  This seems like a fair price as it is 
far less than the cost of the hard copy which must run close to 1K.

	Nor is it unavailable.  It can be ordered through the internet from 
http://www.jewishsource.com.  It should be noted that the Soncino translation, 
dispite the claims of the nazis is not "authorized" (there being no body that could 
"authorize" it) or "authoritative" (it omits much commentary considered standard; 
most scholars also think the Seinsaltz Edition is a better translation.  There are 
also several web sites devoted to the Talmud.

	I agree that it is unreasonable to ask the nazi-wannabes to learn 
Hebrew.  From the quality of many of their posts most haven't even bothered to 
learn English. But if they aren't doing the work, why are they pretending they 
know what is in the Talmud.  The last posted who vomited the nazi trash 
produced quotes that could not be from the Talmud, both the language and 
citations were garbage.  Further two of the works he cited were not even part of 
the Talmud (one was the Shulan Arukh which is not only *not* part of the Talmud, 
to my knowledge has not been translated into English).

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Jews in Israel Hate Immigrants
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>   "Netcroozer"  writes:
  
>  I have a few questions concerning the Babylonian Talmud, and the Talmud in
>  general. 

>  1) To be a practicing jew, must you believe in the holiness of both the Old
>  Testament 
>  (pentateuch) and the Talmud, or just the Old Testament? If yes to the
>  former, why should
>  the words of men (Talmud) be considered worthwhile in a spiritual belief;
>  isn't the inspired 
>  Word all that one needs to be at one with the Lord? 

	You are imposing a Christian concept -- that of a "holy" book -- on another 
culture.  Pracitcing Jews consdier neither the Talmud (literally: "study") or the entire 
Old Testament as "holy."  If those words can be applied to Jewish thought at all, 
they would apply to the "Torah" the first five books of the Bible.
  
>  2) If the talmud is supposed to be a guidebook of jewish traditions and
>  folklore, shouldn't it be continuously reviewed, so that invalid or obscene
>  passages, if any, by current secular morals,  are 
>  purged or at least duly criticized. That is, of course, unless one wants
>  such opinions to remain part 
>  of jewish folklore? Considering the quotes by Mr. Shahak, assuming their
>  accuracy, would this 
>  be the kind of book jews would want their children studying? I've also
>  heard that only men are
>  permitted to read or comment on the Talmud; is that due to the nature of
>  its content?  I'm really confused here.

	The Talmuds (there are two of them) are not a "guidebook" but, basically 
a record of debates.  It should also be noted that, historically, during the middle ages 
the Catholic Church attempted to detroy the Talmud.  It is a massive work and 
-before printing -- there were actually few copies of it (it is not even certain that 
Maimonides -- the most important commentator on the Talmud had complete access 
to it).  This effort took the form of burning and of selected "editing' mostly of 
passages dealing or imagined to deal with non-Jews.  As a result several passages 
dealing with non-Jews are not authentic and ther has been a continual effort to 
discover and correct back to the original text.

  
>  3) What is the difference between the Soncino Talmud and the Babylonian
>  Talmud?

	There are two Talmuds the Jerusalem Talmud and the Babylonian Talmud. 
 "Soncino" is a leading publishing house for Jewish books.  It published -- several 
decades agao -- a translation into English of the basic Babylonian Talmud.  It is not 
complete (some commentaries are omitted) and it is not considered a "scholarly" 
edition.  Soncino is in the process of published (about 75% complete) a "scholarly 
edition" that would contain both the original text in Hebrew and Aramaic and 
annotations.  Adin Steinsalz -- one of the leading Jewish scholars is in the process 
(about 2/3s complete) of making his own "scholarly" translation.  It is preferred by 
the Talmud scholars that I know.  The first volume (which I bought yesterday at a 
local secular bookstore -- Barnes & Noble) is a treatise on how to study the Talmud.  
The Jerusalem Talmud is in the process of being translated into English by a team 
headed by a noted Jewish scholar Jacob Neusner.

  
>  4) What are the actual meanings, if not described accurately above, of each
>  of the quoted
>  passages? What is Israel Shahak's source if his quote is contradictory?

	Some of the quotes have been debunked.  The Talmud is a debate.  
Statements that seem to be authoritative are often positions that were proposed for 
debate or idiosyncratic positions rejected by general thought.  It is impossible to 
understand *any* brief statement from the Talmud without examining the context.  
The person who made this post is, further, rather notorious for taking statements out 
of context.
  
>  5) Is an accurate, English translation of the Babylonian talmud available
>  in bookstores? 

	No.  See answer 3 above.  More or less usable translations are commonly 
available.  You may even order the Soncino Talmud on CD-ROM for about $300 
(http://www.jewishsource.com)
.
>  If not, why?

	Becasue it is virtually impossible to translate a work such as the Talmud.  
Although that has not stopped people from trying.  There are also several good 
books written for laymen about the Talmud that are available.  You might consult:

	Morris Alder "The World of the Talmud"  Schocken Books, 1963
	Jacob Neusner "Here We Sat Down" Ktav 1976
	Adin Steinsalz "The Essential Talmud" Bantan Book 1976

You might also find "Back to the Sources" edited by Barry Holtz (Summit Books 
1984) informative.

	--YFE	


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes:
>  As I have said, the most logical assumption is that the
>  author quoted by Tom Moran confused the names of two
>  different camps. The best thing, I guess, is to ask him;
>  does anyone know how to contact the author (Sachar,
>  Abram L.)?
>  
>  
>  -Danny Keren.
>  
>  
>>>>
	He is (or was) a professor of history at George Wahington University, 
Washington D.C.

	--YFE


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>   the criminal Giwer writes:
>  On 14 Dec 1996 04:33:19 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>  	A a typical lying, boozing Jew coward AFRAID, shitting in his pants
>  afraid to report the crime.  
  
>  	Come on, Jew coward, report the crime.  

	This particular actionable tort has been reported to one of the parties 
legally responsible: gte.com.

	--YFE


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>   kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:
>  On 12 Dec 1996 03:52:02 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:


>  >>  >	Perhaps the criminal Giwer does not, but his ISP does.
  
>  >>  	A typical kike shyster suggesting a harrassing lawsuit knowing full
>  >>  well he is making another jew terrorist suggestion.  

>  >	NO!   I am suggesting that a person who you have, with malice, lied 
>  >about consider a a legal action against one of the parties responsible for that 
>  >tortious act.  Of course, you do not like it.  It would interfer with your deliberate 
and 
>  >illegal harassment of others.

>  What a kike shyster.

	In other words, you beleive that people should not seek redress when a 
liar like the criminal Giwer lies about them in public.  Thank you for the 
endorsement of of the American system.

	--YFE


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>   kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:
>  On 10 Dec 1996 22:44:25 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>  >	Perhaps the criminal Giwer does not, but his ISP does.

>  Prove that Giwer has been adjudicated a "criminal."    Innocent until
>  proven guilty, Yalie-poo.  I thought you were a lawyer?  Maybe you
>  lied about that one too.

	No.  I need only prove that the criminal Giwer has violated the criminal 
laws.  he has done so.  He has, in fact, admitted to the acts which are violation 
of the criminal laws.  I suggest you consult a real lawyer instead of the criminal 
Giwer.  You know, the bum who hasn't even the guts to file suit against against 
someone he claims is defaming him.  He, at least, is smart enough to know that 
truth would be a defense.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) lies again:
>  On 10 Dec 1996 22:48:18 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>  >	More lies from "Stele."  Please name a single defendant at Nuremberg 
>  >who was physically abused in any way whatsoever.

>  American Judge Van Roden comments on the methods used to "question"
>  German prisoners: 

	Liar.

	1.  Van Roden never commented on the Nuremberg trials.

	2.  Van Roden signed a report in which he stated that no physical 
brutality occured.

>  So much for your lies again, Yale.  But what can one expect from
>  someone who continually claims that Nuremberg was a "fair trial"?
>  (snarf).

	The is a simple reason for that.  It was.  All your nazi lies cannot change 
the basic fact that a fair trial occurred.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Jewish math: 6 million minus 2.5 million= 6million, of course!
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>   kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:
>  On 12 Dec 1996 03:08:16 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>  >	That is correct.  The claim was never made.  The Poles claimed that 
>  >4,000,000 PEOPLE were murdered there.
  
>  The ALLIES charged that 4 million were murdered there Yalie-poo.


	Wrong.  No claim that 4,000,000 Jews were murdered at Auschwitz 
was ever made before or accepted by the Nuremberg Tribunal.

  
>  >	The figure since Reitlinger wrote the first serious history of the 
>  >Holocaust (most likely before you were born) is 1.0 to 1.5 million.
  
>  So much for the original Allied figures first given credence, and
>  Hoess testimony, and Gilbert's figure of 4,000,000 in 1981.  So much
>  for the credibility of your wonderful hoax (tm).  The shell game
>  continues.  

	Hoess gave no such testimony.  The allies gave no such figure.
  
	--YFE


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>   mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van Alstine) writes:
>  In article <32b21425.40526098@news.srv.ualberta.ca>,
  
>  Oh, btw, while I was perusing _Nuremberg Diary_ for the above, I ran
>  across an interesting tidbit in regards to Mr. Smith's Nazi absurdities in
>  regard to Justice Jackson's cross-examination of Speer. Here's what
>  Gilbert relates about what Schacht thought of Justice Jackson's
>  cross-examination of Go"ring (p.186): 
  
>  
  
>  In the Elder's lunchroom, Schacht was brimming over with joy at Goering's
>  disconfiture. "Your Prosecutor Jackson is certainly a brilliant
>  cross-examiner. Even when he is not sure what he will find he beats on
>  each bush to see if a rabbit jumps out- and sometimes it does...." 
  
>  

	Oddly enough Jackson's cross-examination of both Speer and Goering 
has been widely criticized as ineffective both by English comentators and Telford 
Taylor.  I was quite surprised in re-reading the sections on Speer, how well he 
made his points.

	--YFE


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>   the criminal Giwer lies again:

>  >>   kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:

>  >>  Alongside your article that one can diagnose gassing from photos,
>  >>  especially bodies which appear emaciated and sickly, the common state
>  >>  of bodies after typhus or starvation.  

>  >	Of course, no one has made this statement,  Stele is lying again.
  
>  	Correct.  The statement was on the order of, "you claim there were
>  not gassings?  Look at these pictures."  It was a typical kike attempt
>  at deception.  As you have done, it allows the out, no one said that.
>  It is similar to the "no reputable historian" dodge.  

	Given his penchant for fabricating such statements and his general lack 
of reading comprehension, perhaps the criminal Giwer will enlighten us with the 
name of the person who made that statement, the date it was made and the exact 
content of the statement.

	The criminal Giwer should be very specific.  It will be good practice for 
the future.

	And he should do so quickly.  It would be unfair to make everyone wait 
until he finds a new ISP.

	--YFE


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>   olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) writes:
>  In article <58utv4$5hn@news.enter.net>, Yale F. Edeiken wrote:

>  >       As an ethnic German living in Denmark, you should be more careful 
>  >about your anti-Semitism.  
  
>   You have still not produced a single valid piece of evidence for your wild
>  allegation of me being an ethnic German. I have my birth certificate, the 
>  birth certificates of my parents and grandparents. What do you have? You 
>  have nothing. 

	I have your own admissions that:

	1.  Your name is not Danish but German;

	2.  You come from an area of Denmark where a substantial proportion 
of the population was ethnically German;

	3.  you family changed its name at a time when there was conflict 
between Denmark and Germany and many ethnic Germans were doing so as a 
symbol of their support for their adopted country;

	4.  When your family changed its name it picked a Germanized version 
of the name of a Danish town.

	Apparently you "revisionists" are unable to cope with a process which 
leads to a logical conclusion.
  
>  >Most Danes do not like such things. 
  
>  Gee, really, and what do you know about that? 

	Then let us use some logic again

	1.  I have two Danish friends.

	2.  They are decent people and tell me that most people in Denmark 
are decent people.

	3.  Decent people are nauseated when they hear the bigoted lies of a 
little nazi wannabee like you.

	See how easy it is, nazi boy?

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Sun Dec 15 12:58:40 PST 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Clearing the air about Posen
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>   the criminal Giwer displays his ignorance:
>  On 12 Dec 1996 01:36:13 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>  >>  >	Wrong again.  No chain of custody is required for a court record.
  
>  >>  	OJ's criminal defense attornies should have been told that.  They
>  >>  wasted weeks challenging what was not required in the first place.
>  >>  You do remember trying to show a time when Det. VanAtter might have
>  >>  had access to the blood samples?  

>  >	I do not recall a single court record introduced in the O.J. trial.
  
>  	Nice dodge.  So you were only referring to court records.

	You really are an amazingly stupid person.  You asked about the chain  
of custody of the tape of Himmler's speech at Posen.  That document was a court 
record (N.D. Ps-1919)
  

>And thus admit there is no chain of custody prior to that time.

	Nice lie.  You have stated that the "chain of custody" needs to proved 
prior to the tape becoming the property of the National Archives.  To make it 
perfectly clear I am stating that the "chain of custody" is established by the record 
of the court.  Your claim that more is required is nonsense.

>  Thank you.  

	For what? For demonstrating once again that you took a technical term 
which you did not understand, fabricated from your own imagination some legal 
requirements which do not exist, and then attempted to fob them off as reality.

	You really are a pathetic jerk.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Mon Dec 16 07:05:36 PST 1996
Article: 85924 of alt.revisionism
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: A Nazi asks about the Talmud (Sara?)
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>   jstuart@tristar.org (Jim Stuart) writes:

>  Well, Sara, I'm going to pick at this statement just a bit.  I want to
>  believe you;  however, I'd like some clarification.  
  
>  First, what exactly are Goyim?  Is that the same as a Gentile?  For that
>  matter, exactly what does Gentile mean?  

	Literally it means nations.  In the famous passage in Isaiah 2:4, "They 
shall beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks.  
*Nation* will not take up sword against *nation.*"  The word used in Hebrew is 
"goyim."

	To a Jew a "gentile" is a person who is not a Jew.  To a Mormon a 
"gentile" is a person who is not a Mormon.
  
>  Secondly (and a half), Friends (Non-Nazi, BTW) have told me that the
>  old-line orthodox Jews still felt it necessary to wash after touching
>  a non-Jew, as in a handshake.  It's pretty hard to believe, but I
>  wouldn't mind getting your input on that too.

	Those who keep kosher still do.  It has nothing to do with a personal 
opinion but is due the fact that those hands might have touched unkosher food.  
They feel the same compulsion after shaking hands with a Jew who does not keep 
kosher.
  
>  Third (a bit off topic) what is he relationship between the Torah and
>  the Talmud?  I'm under the impression that the Torah is the underlying
>  document, with the Talmud including interpretations and expansion of
>  the meaning, but I certainly don't claim to know.

	"Talmud" means "study."  It is commentary, the majority is presented as 
a debate.

	--YFE



From yawen@enter.net Mon Dec 16 07:05:37 PST 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
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>   redux@perdrix.demon.co.uk (Fergus McClelland) writes:
>  >On 14 Dec 1996 04:39:12 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>  Yale Edeiken:
  
>  >>	No. 
>  It is really hard to believe that you are conected to law in any way
>  whatsoever.
  
>  >> I need only prove that the criminal Giwer has violated the criminal 
>  >>laws.
  
>  This is true. But it must - by sheer definition - be proved in a court
>  of law. As a close friend and leading UK barrister said to me
>  yesterday, "One can CONSIDER someone to have committed a criminal act,
>  but he is NOT a criminal until he be so JUDGED."

	In this case, I and my family are the victims of the crimes committed by 
the criminal Giwer.  I will continue to so describe him in the future.

  
>  >  he has done so.  He has, in fact, admitted to the acts which are violation 
>  >>of the criminal laws.  
  
>  You may say this, but he has not been so judged in a court of law.
>  I think it very important for you to remember, and I cannot emphasise
>  this too strongly, that you saying that Mr Giwer is a criminal is NOT
>  the same as a judge or a jury FINDING him a criminal AFTER A TRIAL.

	You are correct.  It is not the same thing.  It is , however, true.

>  There has been no such trial, therefore, strictly speaking he is NOT a
>  criminal. And for you to say so, is silly or at best an opinion, of no
>  greater objective value than, say, Mr Stele's when he says that Mr
>  Giwer is not.

	It is neither silly or an opinion.  It is a statement of fact.  The criminal 
Giwer has, in fact, admitted committing the acts.  You have been provided the 
text of the statute involved.

  
>  But you keep saying that Mr Giwer has committed criminal acts against
>  you, yet you have not filed a complaint. Is that not the same?

	And your basis for saying that is?

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Mon Dec 16 14:10:40 PST 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
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>   dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes:
>  destroyer@navy.water (Arleigh Burke) writes:

>  # I brought it up as these are the pictures Keren is
>  # constantly spamming claiming they are burned while
>  # there is no sign of them having been burned.
  
>  Everyone can look at the photographs and decide for
>  himself. One may also, of course, read the relevant
>  documentation in "Inside the Vicious Heart", which
>  is where I scanned the photos from.

	Are these the pictures taken of the victims of the Garlegen death march 
which can also be found in Goldhagen's book on 369 and 370?

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Mon Dec 16 14:10:41 PST 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   destroyer@navy.water (Arleigh Burke) writes:
>  On 15 Dec 1996 04:17:53 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>  >	And he should do so quickly.  It would be unfair to make everyone wait 
>  >until he finds a new ISP.
  
>  	Is the drunking, lying kike going to harrass another ISP with fake
>  posturing as an attorney?  

	No.  I've put them on notice about your criminal harassment of me and 
my family and your clear violations of the terms of the user agreeement to which 
you consented.  This post will. of course, also be forwarded to them.

	Perhaps you will explain to all wwho "Gteins" is and what he ahd to say 
to you.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Tue Dec 17 06:59:18 PST 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: The Criminal Giwer Puts His Foot in it Again
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>   the criminal Giwer writes:
>  On 16 Dec 1996 01:16:11 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>  >	Perhaps you will explain to all who "Gteins" is and what he had to say 
>  >to you.

>  	I agree, you are a lying drunken kike who has nto the foreskin to
>  report a crime to the criminal authorities.
  
>  	Yes, you are a lying yid.  And everyone has seen it.  
  
>  	Is that pin through your nipple hurting enough yet?
  
>  	What do you say to your children when they see you dancing naked
>  with that yellow star in one nipple and a pink triangle in the other?

	Apparently the criminal Giwer will not tell us what gte.net has told him.  
Apparently, as well, he has not reread the "hold harmless" clause of his contract with 
gte.net.

	Poor criminal Giwer.  What will he tell the court?

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Clearing the air about Posen
Date: 16 Dec 1996 22:31:33 GMT
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>   kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:

>  >>  >	No.  It's what's called educating an ignoramus (you) about the real 
>  >>  >meaning of a technical term.  To recap:

>  >>  >	1.  The chain of custody of the tape is established by calling to the 
stand 
>  >>  >the official at the National Archives supervising the maintanance of the 
tape.  In 
>  >>  >order to establish that custody he may utilize the business records of the 
>  >National 
>  >>  >Archives.

>  >>  >	2.  The prior history is established by the certified record of the IMT.

>  >>  >	3.  No further testimony is required.

>  >>  >	4.  Unless you present the court with a reasonable grounds for 
>  >>  >questioning the tape (i.e. some hard evidence) the judge is going to 
have a snit 
>  >>  >becasue you wasted his time.  (Note:  O.J.'s attorneys presented hard 
evidence 
>  >>  >that the required police procedures as to preserving evidence had not 
been 
>  >>  >followed and expert tetimony that indicated tampering with some of the 
physical 
>  >>  >evidence).

>  >>  >	5.  Your claim that the chain of evidence is not complete is based on 
>  >>  >your speculation that the tape is a forgery, your ignorance of the 
technical 
>  >>  >requirements of proving a chain of evidence, and your unsupported 
opinion of 
>  >the 
>  >>  >IMT.

>  >>  Untested = worthless.

>  >	Wrong.  You are lying again.  The question is not "testing" but 
>  >"identification."  It has been identified.

>  When are you going to submit your worthless tape to testing Yalie?
>  C'mon Yale, you should do it.  It's the closest thing you have to
>  physical evidence for the sorry little hoax.  

	Why should I bother.  It has been identified.  It is an authentic tape of 
Himmler making a speech.  The burden is upon those claiming it it fraudulent to 
make the test.  Nizkor has, in fact, made a very gereous offer.  If it is phony they 
will pay for the testing.

	Either take their offer or don't.  But, until then, your claimed inistence 
upon "evidence" is a hollow sham.

	--YFE

	--YFE



From yawen@enter.net Tue Dec 17 06:59:19 PST 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Jews in Israel Hate Immigrants
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>   fresh@scscomm.com (Andrew Mathis) writes:

>  It is (but not in Paperback).  The Steinsaltz Talmud (completely in
>  English) is available in any good bookstore in the Judaica section.

	It is now being published in soft covers, which reduces the price slightly.  
Not all of the volumes are available in this format.  The first, which is Steinsalz's 
explanation of the Talmud, is available in this format.

	--YFE

  



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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
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>   olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) writes:
>  In article <59256c$2fl@news.enter.net>, Yale F. Edeiken wrote:

>  >>  >       I have your own admissions that:

>  >>  >       1.  Your name is not Danish but German;
  
>  >>   You are distorting. My name may not sound typical Danish, but it is 
>  >>  certainly not German. Just show me just one genuine German with that name
>  >>  or shut up.

>  >       Lying again, nazi boy?  You stated that your name was the Germanized 
>  >version of the Danish town of Krjeborg.
                                 ^^^^^^^^
>  You mean Krejbjerg. 

	Now answer the question.  Was it or was it not a practice at the time of 
WW I for the German population to change names to show support for Denmark? 

>  >>  >       3.  you family changed its name at a time when there was conflict 
>  >>  >between Denmark and Germany 
  
>  This is nonsens. You have no evidence to back up this allegation.

	You have told us that.  Twice.  If it was done by your grandfather it 
would have been done in the era of WW I when the German cause was not 
popular in Denmark.  If your father did it in "the forties" he did it either when 
Germany was a military occupier of Denmark or immediately thereafter.
 

>  >       Krieberg is changing his story again.  You previously stated that your 
>  >name was changed in the late 19th century.  
  
>   No. My Great Great grandfather on my mother's side was a German. On my 
>  father's side there have been no Germans. 

	A new twist in the "Krieberg" saga.  Now we seem to be getting to the 
truth even though he is dodging the question.  He's only a German on his 
*mother's* side.  Right, nazi boy, sure.   Now explain why your grandfather (at a 
time when there was conflict between Denmark and Germany) or your father (at a 
time when Denmark was occupied by the German army) changed his name.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:
>  On 14 Dec 1996 04:39:12 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:


>  >	No.  I need only prove that the criminal Giwer has violated the criminal 
>  >laws.  he has done so.  He has, in fact, admitted to the acts which are 
violation 
>  >of the criminal laws.  I suggest you consult a real lawyer instead of the 
criminal 
>  >Giwer.  You know, the bum who hasn't even the guts to file suit against 
against 
>  >someone he claims is defaming him.  He, at least, is smart enough to know 
that 
>  >truth would be a defense.
  
>  Giwer hasn't broken -any- laws, lying shyster.   

	The statutes concerning criminal harassment and ethnic intimidation 
have been posted.  The criminal Giwer has violated them.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: A Nazi asks about the Talmud (Sara?)
Date: 18 Dec 1996 01:29:55 GMT
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:

>  >  	"Talmud" means "study."  It is commentary, the majority is presented 
as 
>  >  a debate.

>  Do you claim to be an authority on the Talmud?

	No.  For one thing my Hebrew is rudimentary enough that I can't tell 
the difference between Hebrew and Aramaic.  On the other hand, it's fairly easy 
to detect frauds when they don't even get the names of the tractrates correct, 
identify the tosephta as part of the Talmud, and don't know how the work is 
paginated.  When that fails a quick call to someone who *is* an expert on the 
Talmud (oddly enough a Jesuit priest) helps.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re:The Giwer Criminal is Caught Again
Date: 17 Dec 1996 05:26:50 GMT
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>   bull@halsey.mil (Halsey) writes:
>  On 16 Dec 1996 23:45:09 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>  >	No, just nailing the criminal Giwer on how he fabricates his 
>  >arguments, changing his statements when they are exposed for the fraudulent 
>  >lies that they are.

>  >	Apparently you wish to join him.

>  	Hey folks gather around, look at the intimidated ethnic.  Hear it
>  sqeal.  

	The one who is squealing here is you.  You are squealing because you 
were caught in another lie.  Now give your pet, "Stele" another dog biscuit.

	Say hello to those nice people at gte.net for me.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: kurt stele and his nuremberg "cite"
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>   kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:
>  On 14 Dec 1996 05:26:46 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>  >	Only a lying ignoramus like you would be confused as to whether a 
>  >prosecutor examining a defendant is cross-examining him.  Even if Jackson 
>  >would have called him to the stand (he didn't) it would be cross-examination.
  
>  >	That is your misinterpretation.  It should be noted that it comes from 
>  >someone who needs proof that when a prosecutor examines a defendant it 
is 
>  >cross-examination.

>  There is also something called direct examination of a hostile
>  witness.

	Yes.  It's called "cross examination."

>  You really shouldn't try pulling legalese to cover for lies
>  when half of America is now versed in trial law. 

	Apparently you are a member of the other half.

	--YFE


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Article: 86406 of alt.revisionism
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Jews in Israel Hate Immigrants
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>   Doc Tavish <"tavish@phoenix.net"@phoenix.net> writes:
>  Joel Rosenberg wrote:

>  > >> > Keith Morrison
>  > >> > lonewolf@nbnet.nb.ca
>  > >> > http://www.dmmw.com/lonewolf/keithm.html
>  > >>  I haven't been proved wrong.
>  > >> Doc Tavish
 
>  > >Hmmm... Let's go back to where this started.

>  > >Mr. Tavish said Muslims aren't allowed in the Israeli military.

>  > >MANY people pointed out that he was incorrect, and gave specific 
examples
>  > >of Druze muslims, for instance, serving in the Israeli military.

>  > >Mr. Tavish's response was to say something "cute" about being the butt 
of jokes.

>  > >Mr. Tavish was CERTAINLY PROVED WRONG in his statement 
regarding Jews in
>  > >the IDF.
>
>  > >Yet, here is is, insisting that he hasn't been proved wrong.

>  > >Ever wonder what these guys use for brains?

>  > Beer.

>  Another example of anti-Christ stereotyping.

	Liar.  he was talking about you.  When you get promoted to "Christ" 
write and tell us.


> I have beer for brains

	At best an overstatement.  Beer has some redeeming social qualities.


>  these people wonder why they've been kicked out of so many countries
>  over their years of existence.


	You mean Jews are hated they object to having some lackwit tell lies 
about them?

>  This is the unbridled and shameless conceit that has brought large scale
>  reactions aginst them. Do this to enough people long enough and POGROM.

	You heard it from the source.  This clown says that objecting to 
people tell lies about Jews incites people to murder, pillage, and rape.

	You are not just an idiot, Mr. Christ, you are a rather dangerous one.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: The Criminal Giwer Rants & Raves
Date: 16 Dec 1996 03:23:10 GMT
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>   the criminal Giwer writes:
>  On 15 Dec 1996 03:02:35 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>  	Again the lying boozing kike shyster fears reporting the "crime" to
>  legal authorities but insists upon the pecularly JEW harrassment of
>  innocent parties to achieve their aims.  
  
>  	Is it any wonder kikes are considered sneaky little bastards?  

	Aren't you going to have fun explaining this to gte.net?

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: A Nazi asks about the Talmud (Sara?)
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>   Doc Tavish <"tavish@phoenix.net"@phoenix.net> writes:

>  I will not go into long quotes (but I can and will if questioned) but
>  gentiles were never given equality by Jews in the bible.

	Read the book of Ruth lately?

	Read Exodus lately?

	I thought not.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Wed Dec 18 08:19:29 PST 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: The Criminal Giwer Puts His Foot in it Again
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>   kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:
>  On 16 Dec 1996 23:14:18 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

  
>  Giwer has broken no law except in Yale's cowardly gutless mind.
>  However, according to Yale, one's opinion is all that is needed to
>  judge criminality.   

	The statutes were posted.  The criminal Giwer clearly violated them.

  
>  I think Yale is a criminal as well:  guilty of sending harrassing
>  e-mail to Giwer to begin with.     Yale evidently is a criminal in
>  addition to being a well-established liar.   

	I sent no harassing e-mail to the criminal Giwer.

	For those unfamiliar with his criminal acts:  After eceiving several of 
his obnoxious screeds as e-mail; an event as appealing as finding half of a 
cockroach in the stew, I sent the criminal Giwer, in one case at the direction of 
his ISP,  an order than he cease sending me e-mail.  His first response was that 
his e-mail was being forged by Grynspan.  When my request was repeated  the 
criminal Giwer's response was: "I'm tired of your shit.  Fuck off."   To confirm 
that the meaning was that he intended to continue his criminal harassment 
whenever the spirit moved him, the criminal Giwer then sent more of his fould 
spew which included the anti-Semitic ditty he used as sig line.

	Anyone who considers those actions of the criminal Giwer to be either 
proper or within the law are invited to shove their pointy heads as far up their 
recta as space permits.

	I repeat.  The criminal Giwer is a criminal.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Thu Dec 19 06:56:45 PST 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: repeat of question(s)
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>   mstein@access5.digex.net (Michael P. Stein) writes:
> 
>      I liked Matt's "Bull" address better.  It was more appropriate. 
  
>  >	Back on 9 Dec and again on 10 Dec, I pointed out that the one day
>  >Germany boycott in retaliation for the never-ending worldwide boycott
>  >by the WJC was designed not to harm one Jew.
  
>      Because it was on a Saturday?  It would not harm observant Jews.

	Of course, Matty-poo is doing a bit of revising.  It was *not* designed 
as a "one day boycott" and, of course, he forgets the violence and vandalism 
that went along with it.  In fact, the nazi mobs murdered at least one Jew during 
the boycott.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:

  
>  "Doc", why do you have this fascination with your balls, and seemingly
>  everyone else's balls too?  You really have to get out more.

	Perhaps he found this newsgroup when he was trying to find a 13-year 
old girl advertising under the name of "blackmore."

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Reply to Jim Stuart regarding Talmud "quotations"
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>   kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:

  
>  How about this one, with a reference to Ezekiel
  
>  "How can it be said that by pouring oil over a Goy one is free from
>  punishment, since a Goy is also man?  But this is not true for it is
>  written:  Ye are my flock, the flock of my pasture are men. [Ezekiel
>  34, 31).  You are thus called men, but the Goyim are not called men."
  

	You had better make a quick telephone call to the Gideons.  According to 
the Bible they distribute the text reads:

	"30 Thus shall they know that I am Lord their G_d am with them and that 
they, even the house of Israel, are my people saith the Lord G_d.

	31  And ye my flock, the flock of my pasture, are men, and I am your G_d 
saith the Lord G_d."

	Why do you lie about something so easy to check?

	--YFE



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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Question...
Date: 20 Dec 1996 03:33:47 GMT
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>   e0191187@brookes.ac.uk writes:
>  Why is Al Baron in jail?
>  
>  Darren Green,
>  Oxford Brookes University.

	Sine you are closer to the source than most of us, why don't you check.  
You might start with the government office that assigns counsel to indigents and 
locate his solictor/barrister.

	--YFE



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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: A Nazi discusses war crimes (And response to Chuck)
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>   amcl@netcomuk.co.uk (Angus M. McLellan) writes:
>  In article <32b737e5.89408064@news.micron.net>
>  kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele/Brian Smith) "willettsed":
>  >>>The US was destroying German vessels on the high seas before 1939 to
>  >>>provoke Hitler into a war.

>  >>Uh, no.  The UK was destroying German vessels with US hardware, but
>  >>this was *after* the war began.
  
>  >Wrong.  
  
>  Is another revisionist triumph in the offing ? The USA sinking German
>  shipping pre-1939 ? Please, do tell us more.
	Just more wind from an idiot who thinks Rueben James was a trumpet 
player with some big band or other.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Ordinary v Mainstream Auschwitz 4,000,000 Deniers - Revised
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>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:

  
>  	Mr.Browosky states, "this figure had already been challenged by
>  serious historians as early as the 1960s", but then this of course
>  would be the exception and not the rule. The facts are, a actual
>  record is posted from time to time shows the rule and Mr.Browosky and
>  the rest of the Holocaust dependents just claim it ain't so. The
>  record stands at about 30 to 1. Thirty examples for the higher Jewish
>  numbers and one example (Reitlinger) for the lower. If all examples
>  were known it would be more like 100s to 1 or 2.

	Odd, isn't it that you cannot post a single historian of the Holocaust that 
accepts the number of 4,000,000 Jews murdered at Auschwitz.

	--YFE



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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Jewish math: 6 million minus 2.5 million= 6million, of course!
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   destroyer@navy.water (Arleigh Burke) writes:
>  >  On 14 Dec 1996 04:54:55 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
  

>  No need for all this debate,.  The figure of 4 million was given, but Polish
>  sources strictly broke down the figures of the alleged dead--and the Jews
>  won by a long shot.

	So you claim.  So far you haven't come up with a single number.  
Apparently  "Auschwitz 1270 to the Present"  Dwork & van Pelt (1996) isn't in 
your library.  As they note:

"Auschwitz I was a tremedously significant site in Polish history, and the 1947 law 
that established the museum explicitily stated that the site was to commemorate 
'the martyrdom of the Polish nation and other nations in Oswiecim.'  Given this 
directive, it made sense that the museum would concentrate the state's meager 
resources on the part of Auschwitz where Polish resisters and hostages had 
suffered and died."  page 364

	"The main camp first and foremost perserved Polish -- not Jewish -- 
history, and the decision to relegate Birkenau to a position of sdecondary 
importance reflects a specific ideology of remembrance decribed by the Canadian 
sociologist Iwona Irwin-Zarecka: 'Auschwitz . . . . is *not*, for Poles, a symbol of 
Jewish suffering.  Rather it is a genral symbol of "man's inhumanity to man" and a 
powerful symbol of the Polish tragedy at the hands of the Nazis.  It is a powerful 
reminder of the evil of *racism*, and not a singular reminder of the deadliness of 
anti-Semitism.  In the most literal sense of memories evokes on site, it is an 
"Auschwitz without Jews."'"  page 365.

	--YFE 


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Jews in Israel Hate Immigrants
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>   Doc Tavish <"tavish@phoenix.net"@phoenix.net> writes:
>  Yale F. Edeiken wrote:

> 
>  >         You have made various statements including promoting a
>  > "POGROM" and referring to giving someone a "mouthful of bloody chiclets."
>  > Violence seems to be a weapon you want to use against Jews.

>  It is nice to know that you read everything that I post BUT do you get
>  the meaning or purpose?

	I hardly bother.  I read a few and found them to be repetitive, dishonest, 
and boring.



> If you have kept score you will find out I have
>  not been the major aggressor. You ought to see some of the E-Mail I get
>  from the "chosen ones." You see what they post but they are worse in
>  E-Mail.

	I imagine that members of the KKK make about the same complaint 
when they wax nostalgic about the days of lynching.

> Pogrom is just what it is. Pogroms are the result of what
>  happens to the bad elements of the Jewish community.

	You are ignorant.  They were exercises in murder and pillage frequently 
whooped up by the czarist government to divert the attention of the peasants.  It 
was called "scapegoating."

	Read some history.

>  The point of debate now is what is the ratio? I haven't seen a righteous
>  Jew denounce these self righteous Jews. Have you researched the biblical
>  term of the Synagogue of Satan?

	Please give me a single "biblical" reference to "synagogues."
  
>  Doc Tavish turning the heat up and staying in the kitchen

	Nipping at the cooking sherry, no doubt.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Jewish math: 6 million minus 2.5 million= 6million, of course!
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>   kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:
>  On 16 Dec 1996 00:58:22 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>  >>   destroyer@navy.water (Arleigh Burke) writes:
>  >>  On 14 Dec 1996 04:54:55 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) 
wrote:

>  >>  >	Hoess gave no such testimony.  The allies gave no such figure.
  
>  >>  	Did or did not Hoess say three million up through his time running
>  >>  the camp?  Did anyone claim extermination stopped when he left?  

>  >	The question was "testimony."  He never gave any such testimony at 
>  >the Nuremberg Tribunal or elsewhere.  If you think otherwise provide a 
citation.

>  Stop trying to hide behind legalese and explain Hoess' initial 3
>  million figure Yalie-poo.   

	No, just nailing the criminal Giwer on how he fabricates his 
arguments, changing his statements when they are exposed for the fraudulent 
lies that they are.

	Apparently you wish to join him.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:
>  On 14 Dec 1996 04:41:26 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

  >	In other words, you beleive that people should not seek redress when 
a 
>  >liar like the criminal Giwer lies about them in public.  Thank you for the 
>  >endorsement of of the American system.

>  Rather I condemn the legalism of your ilk and its impact on the U.S.
>  "Justice System" (sic) as well as your gutless whining. 

	I bet you tell that to all vicitims of crimes.

	The whiner here is the criminal Giwer.  His services have been 
terminated from several providers because of his criminal and improper actions.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:
>  >dstowers@wolfenet.com (Drew Stowers) wrote:

>  >The camps above were strictly death camps or extermination camps.
>  >Auschwitz was multipurpose and was several camps. This makes their
>  >distortions easy to form. That is why Auschwitz is so popular with the
>  >denial groups.

>  >However, good show!
  
>  	Interesting switcheroo. The facts are, Holocaust accounts focuses
>  on Auschwitz. Auschwitz is 99% of the story. This is the documented
>  fact.

	Perhaps you would like to "document" it?

	For the record T. Moran is a liar and an anti-Semite who, although he 
frequently "chhallenges" others to prove those simple provable facts, runs away 
whenever his challenge is accepted.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   destroyer@navy.water (Halsey) writes:
>  On Sun, 15 Dec 1996 07:01:21 GMT, dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
>  wrote:

>  ># Alan who?

>  >Alan B. Kennady, who uses the alias "ehrlich606"
>  >when (rarely) posting here.
  
>  	Your evidence of this?  Please be specific in your response.  

	He has so stated in various e-mails and telephone convesations.

	--YFE


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>   the criminal Giwer admits his crime writes:
>  On 16 Dec 1996 22:41:33 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>  >	The whiner here is the criminal Giwer.  His services have been 
>  >terminated from several providers because of his criminal and improper 
actions.
  
>  	Because of harrassment, lying jew boy.  

	The harassment, of course, was the criminal harrassment of me and 
my family by the criminal Giwer.

  
>  	BTW:  Since you are not even married, which family am I supposed to
>  have harrassed?  

	My wife was shocked to learn this.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   destroyer@navy.water (Halsey) writes:
>  On Sun, 15 Dec 1996 07:09:41 GMT, dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
>  wrote:

>  >"Some of the illegal settlers", in this case, were
>  >a 12-year-old child and his 42-year-old mother.
>  
>  	Tought shit.  The mother is an adult and if the kid had his / her
>  mitzah so was he.  That makes them all adults.  At the very least it
>  makes the mother responsible for the child.  The mother then involved
>  the child in a known dangerous process of stealing Palestinian land.  
  
>  	Blame her at the least and of mitzvahed blame the kid for his own
>  stupidity in staying.  

	Res ipsa loquitor.  It's ok. to kill 12-years old children as long as the 
murder victim is a Jew.  There is no other way to read the statements of the 
criminal Giwer.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Jewish math: 6 million minus 2.5 million= 6million, of course!
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>   "Thomas Stedham"  writes:

>  That plaque has since been changed. Read this:
  
>  Inscription on the Auschwitz-Birkenau monument until April 3, 1990 
  
>  "FOUR MILLION PEOPLE SUFFERED AND DIED HERE AT THE HANDS OF 
THE NAZI
>  MURDERERS BETWEEN THE YEARS 1940 AND 1945." * 
  
>  Inscription on the same monument in 1995 
  
>  "MAY THIS PLACE WHERE THE NAZIS ASSASSINATED A MILLION AND A 
HALF MEN,
>  WOMEN AND CHILDREN, A MAJORITY OF THEM JEWS FROM DIVERSE 
EUROPEAN
>  COUNTRIES, BE FOREVER FOR MANKIND A CRY OF DESPAIR AND OF 
WARNING." * 
>  My questions are simple: a) was/is there a plaque at Auschwitz? b) has it
>  been changed to reflect a lower bodycount? c) if so, why?

	You have been given the answer.  You have just refuse to accept it.

	(a) there was, as you can see if you read the wording of the placque no 
reference to Jews nor was such a reference intended.  It was designed to 
commemorate the *Poles* who were murdered by the nazis.   Next to the 
monument at Birkenau -- where the murder of the Jews took place-- was a flagpole 
on which flew a flag of "the red triangle of the gentile political prisoners 
superimposed on the uniform motif of vertical blue and white stripes."  ("Auschwitz: 
1270 to the Present" Dwork and Van Pelt, 1996; page 366).

	(b) it has been changed to reflect what historians have been insisting is 
the accurate count since shortly after the war.  Moreover, the change 
acknowledged *for the first time* that a majority of those murdered at Auschwitz 
were Jews.

	(c) it was changed both to reflect what historians have been saying and 
to make the memorial less parochial.

	Should you really like to understand how Auschwitz has been 
memorialized I suggest you locate a copy of "Auschwitz: 1270 to the Present" and 
read pages 354-378.

	--YFE 


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Ordinary v Mainstream Auschwitz 4,000,000 Deniers - Revised
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>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:


>  >	Odd, isn't it that you cannot post a single historian of the Holocaust that 
>  >accepts the number of 4,000,000 Jews murdered at Auschwitz.

>  	See "BEHOLD THE LIE".

	I did.  At least one of the quotes I checked (supposedly from the 
Encyclopedia Judiaca) was a fraudulent misrepresentation.  One historian was 
quoted without citing a source (Yehuda Bauer).  Other than Bauer not a single 
recognized historian was cited.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:
  
>  	"Anti-Zionism = anti-Semitism"? 

	There goes l'il tommy again.  Whining because the objects of his 
bigotry point out his bigotry.

	Actually in your case the complaints arise because you continually, 
consistantly and maliciously lie about Jews.  Moreover, most of your lies have no 
relevance whatsoever to "Zionism."   Indeed l'il tommy frequently endorses theft 
>from  Jews and has, in the past, chortled with glee over a gang of thugs beating 
up a little girl because she was Jewish and asked that her rights as an American 
be respectd.  He has also described the activities of the KKKK and labeled them 
the activities of a "Jewish group."  He once labeled a rabbi as a liar when that 
rabbi cited a well-accepted fact about 1st century Judiasm.

	Frequently, in a fit of pique at having his bigotry labeled as such  l'il 
tommy issues "challenges" to prove those charges.  These challenges have 
been accepted on numerous occasions to which l'il tommy has responded with 
lies and silence.

	Where's l'il tommy?

	Could he be hiding under the bed?

	--YFE


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>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:

>  	What should one make of it if someone makes charges of
>  anti-Semitism, neo-Nazism and/or racism and can't or refuses to follow
>  up with an argument for proof?

	But l'il tommy knows that this is not the case.  I am very willing to prove 
the charge of anti-Semitism before an impartial tribunal.  To this offer l'il tommy has, 
when he has not lied about, refused to respond.  l'il tommy, who frequently wraps 
himself in the American flag when he parades his bigotry, apparently does not believe 
in that most basic of American values, the fair trial.

	When l'il tommy reads this statement he will, as usual, run for cover.

	Where could l'il tommy be hiding this time?

	Could it be behind the drapes in the dining room?

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:





>  >Source: SS records, quoted in "Concentration Camp Dachau", 
>  >ISBN 3-87490-528-4, p. 60. 




>  >Nationality      Total   Released   Transferred  Liberated   Deaths
>  >--------------------------------------------------------------------
>  >Albanian           2         -           2            -         -
>  >Belgian           46         1           3           33         9
>  >Danish             5         5           -            -         -
>  >German           447       208         100           45        94
>  >English            2         -           1            1         -
>  >French           156         5           4          137        10
>  >Greek              2         -           -            2         -
>  >Dutch             63        10           -           36        17
>  >Italian           28         -           1           26         1
>  >Lithuanian         3         -           -            3         -
>  >Luxemburg         16         2           -            8         6
>  >Norwegian          1         1           -            -         -
>  >Polish          1780        78           4          830       868
>  >Rumanian           1         -           -            1         -
>  >Jugoslavian       50         2           6           38         4
>  >Spanish            1         -           -            1         -        
>  >Swiss              2         1           -            -         1
>  >Czechoslovakian  109         1          10           74        24
>  >Hungarian          3         -           -            3         - 
>  >Stateless          3         -           1            2         -

>  >Roman Catholic               2579
>  >Protestant                   109
>  >Greek Orthodox                22
>  >Old Catholic and Maronite      8
>  >Mohammedan                     2

>  	Here we go again.

	In other words, l'il tommy is about to make an ass of himself again.
  
>  	What, no rabbis?

	The reason for this compliation has previously been posted.  Are you 
telling us:

	1.  That you did not read it?

	2.  That you did not understand it?

	3.  That you just feel like making an ass of yourself again?

	Choose one.




	--YFE



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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:

>    
>    Joe, there's a curious lacuna in all the above: "under investigation" for
>    WHAT? "arrested by the SS" for WHAT? WHAT crimes were involved? 
You have
>    been arguing that SS men were punished for cruelty toward Jews, but you
>    have presented evidence only that the SS occasionally arrested, charged,
>    or investigated its members for "crimes" which you consistently refuse to
>    specify (except, as I recall, at the beginning of your discussion of SS
>    arrests, when you demonstrably lied).

>  No, I never lied.  I never lie.  It would be playing into your hands.
>  It was misinformation, and no fault of my own.  Check with Mike Stein about 
it.

	Actually the information that you were "misinformed" came from a 
book which you claim to own and have read.  If you were "misinformed" it 
because you chose to be.

    
>  In spite of your unprovoked insults, I will answer your question:
  
>  The fact is, it takes time to investigate crimes which by their very nature, were
>  difficult to investigate in closed camps like Auschwitz and the rest.

	It is, of course, even harder when the suspect has the right and 
power to murder possible witnesses against him (as Koch did).  Moreover Koch 
and the others were apparently protected by Eike.  Many complaints by von 
Waldeck were quashed without investigation. 

	--YFE



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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: A Nazi discusses war crimes (And response to Chuck)
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>   kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:

>  >>   amcl@netcomuk.co.uk (Angus M. McLellan) writes:
>  >>  In article <32b737e5.89408064@news.micron.net>
>  >>  kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele/Brian Smith) "willettsed":
>  >>  >>>The US was destroying German vessels on the high seas before 1939 to
>  >>  >>>provoke Hitler into a war.

>  >>  Is another revisionist triumph in the offing ? The USA sinking German
>  >>  shipping pre-1939 ? Please, do tell us more.

>  >	Just more wind from an idiot who thinks Rueben James was a trumpet 
>  >player with some big band or other.

>  Are you saying the U.S. Navy didn't sink German ships in 1939
>  Yalie-poo?   What will it be, shyster:  yes or no?   

	Do you know their names?

	Do you know their names?

	Did you have a friend on the good Rueben James?

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: No SS Man Was Ever Punished?
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:

  
>  >  	The lacuna is neither curious nor inexplicable.  As has been posted 
here 
>  >  several times the Morgen investigations were for embezzlement.  In Koch's 
case he 
>  >  was convicted as well of murdering two non-Jewish inmates who could 
provide 
>  >  evidence against him.  The murders took place after the investigation began. 
 The 
>  >  details of these cases can be found, among other places, in "Soldiers of 
Evil" by 
>  >  Tom Segev.  That work is significant to this discussion becasue "blackmore" 
>  >  claims that he owns and has read it.

>  Yes, I do own it and I have read it.  Would you like me to quote to you from
>  a particular page in the pb edition to prove it to you?  However, I need to
>  say that this book, while interesting, is far from an authoritative and final
>  authority on the subject.  Much research needs to be done here.--rb

	The point is not whether "research" needs to be done but whether the 
information was available to you.  In fact, Segev's book was a doctoral thesis for 
which he had access to (and for this information) cited to material in the 
Budesarchiv Koblenz which contains the SS files.  While the trial of Koch might 
have been only a passing reference in "Soldiers of Evil" it is  clearly 
"authoritative" as there is no reason to doubt its accuracy.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Sat Dec 21 11:20:11 PST 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Jewish math: 6 million minus 2.5 million= 6million, of course!
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>     ibokor@metz.une.edu.au (ibokor) writes:

>    But "rblackmore"s the precise answer:
    
>    Look them up in photographs from the period.  there were 19 of them.--rb

>  >  Gord McFee tries to inject a note of sanity and reason:
  
>  There can be no sanity and reason from the insane and irrational, as applies
>  to Mr. McFee and Nizkooks in general.
    
>    No dummy, d.A was *there*.  You were not.  He asks you where the plaque 
was,
>    since you claimed to know what it says.  Since you lied about that, why
>  >  shouldn't we expect that you are lying about the plaque too?
  
>  How can I "lie" about placques which have been photographed by news
>  and press agencies for posterity?  Silly person.

	The question is not whether you can lie about the placque.  You did 
so.  You specifically claimed that it stated "Jews."  The question is why did you 
think you could get away with it.  That is a question only you could answer.


>  >  In Room 1 of Block 4 there was an urn. "The urn with a handful of ashes,
>  >  collected in the Birkenau terrain, commemorates '4 million of those'
>  >  who had perishhed there."
  
>  Yes, and these alleged four million were what--Eskimoes?  Are you so
>  dense?

	Why are you so dishonest.  The Poles consistently claimed it was 
Poles.  As one sociologist who studied the Polish conception of Auschwitz stated 
it was "Auschwitz without Jews." (citation previously provided).

>  So?  What is your contention, then, that 1.5 million Jews were killed at
>  Auschwitz and 2.5 million Gentiles?  Is that what you are now asking us 
>  to swallow?  Lotsa luck...-rb

	No.  No one is stating that this is the fact.  They have been stating that 
this was the Polish position.  It was.  Why are you so dense?  Or is it just 
dishonesty?
  	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:
>  On Sun, 15 Dec 1996 02:32:54 GMT, the criminal Giwer wrote:

>  
>  >On 14 Dec 1996 04:47:43 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>  >>>  >	Not only were there no restrictions on content but the statements 
>  >>>  >were given *after* the closing arguments of the prosecution.  Not only 
were the 
>  >>>  >defendants not cross-examined on their statements but the prosecution 
was not 
>  >>>  >permitted to respond to any of the statements.
>  >>	Another idiot heard from:

>  >>	1.  Please name a jurisdiction using anglo-american law where a 
>  >>defendant may make a statement to the finder of fact without 
cross-examination or 
>  >>rebuttal.

>  >>	2.  Please name a single item of evidence entered into evidence by the 
>  >>Tribunal that does not conform to Rule 803 or Rule 804 of the U.S. Code of 
>  >>Evidence.

>  >	I thought you would never get around to mentioning evidence.  Who
>  >issued the search warrants under which the evidence was collected?  Or
>  >did they just go busting into the imagined crime scene without
>  >probable cause?  
  
>  Oh Yalie-poo, where are you?  

	Laughing too hard to compose an answer.  Not only have the criminal 
Giwer and his little dog Stele failed to account for the expansive rights given the 
nazi defendants at Nuremberg but now they think that Amendment IV applies to 
the archives of foreign governments during wartime.  If it were not for the fact that 
it is the criminal Giwer and and the schnauzer posting, it would be pathetic.

	The funny thing is that thy are propably starting to believe the nonsense 
they make up.

	One wonders what the schnauzer will do when gte.net deals with his 
criminal compadre.

	--YFE  


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Subject: Re: Blackmore embraces his lies and libels in the same putrid breath .... Re: Questions rblackmore@juno.com (jbelling@sprynet.net) refuses to answer...Gandhi is an imbecile.Full HARDCORE pleasure!
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>   gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:

>  BTW, where the hell is Baron?

	There might be a cross-cultural problem here.  Given his past history he 
might just have run short of money.  I the U.S. he'd be auditioning for a bad 
Johnny Cash song about revolvers and all night gas stations.  I don't know what 
they do in England.

	Perhaps he ploshed.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: A Nazi discusses war crimes (And response to Chuck)
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>   schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect) writes:
>  In article <59ghv6$sfi@news.enter.net>, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) 
wrote:

 
>  >         Do you know their names?
 
>  >         Do you know their names?
 
>  >         Did you have a friend on the good Rueben James?
 
>  Yale:
   
>  Turn in your left-wing-socialist-commie-Woody-Guthrie-lover's badge.
   
>  Right now.
   
>  It's "What were their names, tell me what were their names? Did you have a
>  friend on the good Rueben James?"

	Like many of his songs there are several versions of the lyrics.  On the 
Library of Congress tapes.  He sung "What were their names?" when he taught 
the song to Jack Elliot he used the lyrics I used.  Country Joe MacDonald also 
sings the lyrics this way on his "Remembering Woody Guthrie Album."  Guthrie 
also seems to have cleaned up some of the lyrics when he recorded it for the 
Library.  I have heard Elliot sing the last line as "We'll get the fucking bastards 
who sank the Rueben James" in live concerts.  

   
>  Woody, of course, was in the merchant marines, so he'd have no idea of 
what
>  was going on, eh?

	And I'll bet "Stele" is still wondering why they named a ship after a 
guy who played the trumpet.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Since you asked, Mr. Moran...[rather long post] (Was Re: Treblinka , mass graves)
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>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:

>  	Seven hundred (700) lines of response. Mr.Kelley and Moran have
>  been through this a number of times before. Mr.Kelley gets no response
>  to his gasping out of breath 700 lines until he includes what was
>  given to him in the past.

	Which proved that you were an anti-Semite and a liar.

  
>  	In the mean time, Moran reiterates, Jews and Jewish organizations
>  have been active in intimidating the ban of the cross, Christmas tree,
>  the Nativity Scene and singing Christmas carols in public places while
>  arguing the menorah is okay because it is a secular symbol, which it
>  isn't.

	You have yet to produce a single example of this.  In fact, this is a 
reference to your claim based on a lawsuit filed by the KKKK which you identifed 
as a "Jewish group,"

	--YFE


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>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:
>  >As I have said, the most logical assumption is that the
>  >author quoted by Tom Moran confused the names of two
>  >different camps. The best thing, I guess, is to ask him;
>  >does anyone know how to contact the author (Sachar,
>  >Abram L.)?

>  	If anyone out here has the capability to contact Abram Sachar,
>  it's Mr.Keren. He is very active in the workings of a number of
>  Holocaust promotional networks.

	Actually the university at which he teaches (or taught) has been 
posted.  If l'il tommy was serious he could have made the telephone call himself.

	--YFE


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>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:

>  	Its called 'honor'. Some people have it. Some don't.

	You , for example, do not.

	You have several times challenged me to prove the fairly obvious 
truths that you are a liar and an anti-Semite.  Yet every time I accept this 
challenge you run and hide.

	"Honor," l'il tommy.  That's a word that should never be in your 
vocabulary.

	--YFE


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>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:
>  >>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:
>  >
>  >>  	Its called 'honor'. Some people have it. Some don't.

	To which I responded:

>  >	You , for example, do not.
>  >
>  >	You have several times challenged me to prove the fairly obvious 
>  >truths that you are a liar and an anti-Semite.  Yet every time I accept this 
>  >challenge you run and hide.
  
>  	Lets do right here. What are you afraid of?

	I have told you before.  I want an impartial forum.  This is called, in 
American terms, a "fair trial."  Apparently you have no real grasp of the concept.  I 
want the right to present my evidence before an unbiased person or panel and have 
a decision made as to whether I am correct or not.  I am even willing to pay for that 
privilege if I am wrong (as long as you make the same commitment).

	The person quivering in fear is you.  Specifically you mess your pants at the 
thought of:

	1.  having to defend your lies and bigotry;

	2.  having to provide the source for your  lies and bigotry;

	3.  being cross-examined about your lies and bigotry.

	The fact is that you know that when exposed to the light of day your 
opinions rank with those who believe the earth is flat or that cigarettes do not cause 
cancer.

  
>  >	"Honor," l'il tommy.  That's a word that should never be in your 
>  >vocabulary.

	Where are you hiding this time, li'l tommy?

	Are you cowering in a dark corner of the basement?

	--YFE


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>   e0191187@brookes.ac.uk writes:
>  >Yale F. Edeiken  writes:

>  >Sine you are closer to the source than most of us, why don't you check. 
>  >You might start with the government office that assigns counsel to 
>  >indigents and locate his solictor/barrister.

>  No. 

	Why not?  You had the interest to raise the question and it is certainly 
an easier question to find an answer than most of us. 
  
>  Its Christmas, Mr. Edeiken.

	It will be next week.  Whether or not its a cultural difference, for a 
criminal lawyer in the U.S. Christmas can be a busy season.  Lots of Christmas 
cheer and lots of DUIs.

	--YFE	


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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect) writes:

   
>  >  Again, here is what YOU think and what REALITY IS:
   
>  >   5. "A Gentile girl who is three years old can be violated."-
>  >   -Aboda Sarah 37a.
  
>  >  Apparently a deliberate misquote. The observation is a technical, physiological
>  >  one,  regarding the impurities related to genital "flows" as outlined in
>  >  Leviticus chapter 15. The Talmudic source argues that since the tearing of the
>  >  hymen at that age would be permanent (as distinct from a younger girl whose
>  >  hymen the rabbis believed would grow back), she is considered to have 
reached a
>  >  state of physical development that her discharges would be included under 
the
>  >  category of impure flows according to the Biblical purity laws. (The same rule,
>  >  by the way, would apply to a Jewish girl). This is of course not a permission to
>  >  "violate" the girl, merely a legal definition of her age.

>  Do you regard the menstral flow as "impure", in the same sense as
>  other bodily funcitions dealing with elimination?

	Biblical laws about purity make a clear statement about blood -- both 
animal and human.

	--YFE  


From yawen@enter.net Sun Dec 22 12:11:11 PST 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Jews in Israel Hate Immigrants
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:

>  How many times in history was the talmud ordered confiscated and
>  burned by authorities throughout the world and why would they do that?

	Frequently, especially in medieval Europe.  It was, for a time, the official 
policy of the Catholic Church.  Further many editions of the Talmud were "edited" 
or "censored."  As Steinsaltz wrote:

	"The Talmud was alsosubjected to government and xhurch censorship, 
and most present-day editions contain a number of changes and omissions 
introduced by censorship.  Indeed, almost every passage dealing with non-Jews 
must be suspected of having undergone some change."  (Steinstaltz "The 
Talmud: a Reference Guide."  Page 50)

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Jewish math: 6 million minus 2.5 million= 6million, of course!
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:

>  >  	Nor is he very imaginative.  This was the same excuse he used when 
he 
>  >  posted that the placque at Auschwitz stated 4,000,000 "Jews" claiming that 
he had 
>  >  a picture which proved it.

>  Yale, your comments are as stale as your brain.  You aren't even a
>  challenge anymore.--rb

	Are you denying that made that statement?

	Apparently the challenge is that you cannot explain your lie.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   the criminal Giwer writes:
>  On 21 Dec 1996 12:11:21 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>  >	"The Talmud was alsosubjected to government and xhurch censorship, 
>  >and most present-day editions contain a number of changes and omissions 
>  >introduced by censorship.  Indeed, almost every passage dealing with non-Jews 
>  >must be suspected of having undergone some change."  (Steinstaltz "The 
>  >Talmud: a Reference Guide."  Page 50)
  
>  	Sounds like something a revisionist would say.  
	the difference of course is that Steinsaltz has considerable evidence 
(including partial Talmuds from *before* the fiting was done and the papal decrees 
that set the process in motion.  Steinsaltz's comments are, therefore, conclusions 
based on the evidence.  This cannot be said of the "revisionists."  You have yet to 
produce a single bit of evidence for any of your flatulent fabrications and, rather 
than being based on analysis of the evidence, they frequently are -- yours for 
example -- silly speculations based on ignorance and bigotry.  Toi cite one example 
who can forget your ignorant misconception that head lice transmit typhus and th 
world of fabrication you built on that crap.  To cite another you started in this 
newsgroup with the announcements that the Himmler speech at Posen was a 
forgery becasue tape recorders had not been invented yet and that another 
statement by Eichmann (?) was a fraud because it referred to the "United Nations."

	Steinsaltz would not make stupid mistakes liek that.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:

>  >  	The point is not whether "research" needs to be done but whether the 
>  >  information was available to you.  In fact, Segev's book was a doctoral thesis 
for 
>  >  which he had access to (and for this information) cited to material in the 
>  >  Budesarchiv Koblenz which contains the SS files.  While the trial of Koch 
might 
>  >  have been only a passing reference in "Soldiers of Evil" it is  clearly 
>  >  "authoritative" as there is no reason to doubt its accuracy.

>  That the author had access to such documents I do not doubt.  I merely
>  question some of his interpretations.--rb

	The question does not concern "interpretations" but *facts.*  
Specifically, the charges made against Koch.  Apparently you do not argue with 
the *facts*  Segev used, but chose to give a *factual* account entirely different 
>from  the ones he documented.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Jewish math: 6 million minus 2.5 million= 6million, of course!
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>   dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes:
>  rblackmore@juno.com writes:

>  # I already clarified this in a previous post.  I did not
>  # have the article in front of me when I posted.
  
>  Oh, poor baby. Every time one of "rblackmore's"
>  lies is exposed, he has some lame excuse.
  
>  "I did not have the article in front of me when
>  I posted"...
  
>  What a pathetic little liar this "rblackmore" is.

	Nor is he very imaginative.  This was the same excuse he used when he 
posted that the placque at Auschwitz stated 4,000,000 "Jews" claiming that he had 
a picture which proved it.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Stele Still Hasn't Read the U.S. Consitution
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>   kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:
>  On 17 Dec 1996 00:44:09 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>  >>  >>	1.  Please name a jurisdiction using anglo-american law where a 
>  >>  >>defendant may make a statement to the finder of fact without 
>  >cross-examination or 
>  >>  >>rebuttal.

>  >>  >>	2.  Please name a single item of evidence entered into evidence by 
the 
>  >>  >>Tribunal that does not conform to Rule 803 or Rule 804 of the U.S. 
Code of 
>  >>  >>Evidence.

>  >>  >	I thought you would never get around to mentioning evidence.  Who
>  >>  >issued the search warrants under which the evidence was collected?  
Or
>  >>  >did they just go busting into the imagined crime scene without
>  >>  >probable cause?  
  
>  >>  Oh Yalie-poo, where are you?  

>  >	Laughing too hard to compose an answer.  Not only have the 
criminal 
>  >Giwer and his little dog Stele failed to account for the expansive rights given 
the 
>  >nazi defendants at Nuremberg but now they think that Amendment IV 
applies to 
>  >the archives of foreign governments during wartime.  If it were not for the 
fact that 
>  >it is the criminal Giwer and and the schnauzer posting, it would be pathetic.
  
>  Side-stepping the issue I see.

	The only one side-stepping seems to be you to repeat:

	1.  Name a single juristidiction which allows a defendant to make a 
statement to the finder of fact without cross-examination or without the 
prosecution being allowed to respond.

	2.  Name a single item moved into evidence which is not admissible 
under Federal Rules of Evidence 803 or 804.

	To which we can now add:

	3.  Cite some authority for the proposition that the archives of a 
government at war with the United States are protected by the Fourth 
Amendment.

	Take the dog biscuit out of your mouth and stop dodging.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Judaism is not Religion of U.S. government either!
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>   Doc Tavish <"tavish@phoenix.net"@phoenix.net> writes:

>  "The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on
>  the
>  Christian religion."
>         George Washington, 1796
  
>  Let me elaborate:
>  
>  "The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on
>  the
>  Jewish religion of Judaism however it was founded by people of the
>  Christian religion and the oath of office is not taken with a hand on a
>  Talmud volume."
>  	Doc Tavish, 1996

	Actually Washington took both of his oaths of office on a Masonic 
Bible.  So did Adams and Jefferson.

>  No Gunther eating a bagel will not make me a Jew any more than reading
>  Mein Kampf will make a person a Nazi. What Johann?

	No but believing in Mein Kamph *does* make one a nazi.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  On 22 Sep 1996 17:33:48 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>  >>  >  	Sure.  First you give them water.
  
>  >>  The water with the corpses floating in it?
  
>  >	Gee, first you take the corpses out.
  
>  	And here an example of the lack of education of folks in pre-law.  You 
heard it
>  here folks all you have to do to make water polluted to rotting corpes is 
remove
>  the corpses and it is as pure as French designer water.  

	Here is the lack of honesty by the nazi blackmore.  It is fairly easy to 
purify water.  Heat does the trick.  But first, of course, you remove the corpses.  
Kramer was content to leave the corpses in the camp cisterns.  There is a simple 
reason for this.  He was a murderous bastard.

>  >>  >  	The water was available. 
  
>  >>  The only water available was in the river, which Kramer thought was 
polluted.
>  >>  There indeed was not enough water in the camp to supply the thousands 
of ill 
>  >people
>  >>  jammed in there, which was not Kramer's fault.
  
>  >	The British restored water in hours.  Kramer could not do it days.
  
>  	You mean the British who connected the water station to one of their 
portable
>  generators?  

	No,  The British who used the power available in the camp (which they 
did) to use the pumps available in the camp (which were alos used by the 
British).
    
>  >>  >  	Second you give them food.Food was available.  Kramer did not do 
this.
  
>  >>  No.  Most of these peole were ill with gastro-enteritis.  Food aggravates 
this
>  >>  condition.  Also, the food was NOT available for these great numbers.

	That, of course is another lie.  You do *not* deprive people suffering 
>from  gastro-enteritis from nutrition.  Kramer did.  Yopu absolutely do not deprive 
them of water.  Kramer did.


>  >	The British managed to do it within hours.
  
>  	We have been over that.  Even a holohugger posted it.

	Yes.  You lied about it then.  You are lying about it now.  Food was 
available Kramer never asked for it.
    
>  >>  >  	Medical help was available.  Kramer did not do this.
 
>  >>  Not true,  The attempt was made.  Even the British had problems saving 
lives,
>  >>  and they were better epuipped than kramer by a long shot.

	No attempt was ever made.  Nor can depriving sick people of food 
and water be described as making an attempt.  The British had problems 
becasue the murderous bastard you love so much allowed it to happen.  He 
didn't care.

  
>  >	No attempt was made.  Kramer did not take even the most basic 
public 
>  >health precautions.
  
>  	You mean like keeping rotting corpses out of the river?  Of course that 
does not
>  address all of the normal raw sewage in it.  Or do you think the German EPA 
had
>  imposed sewage treatment plants on the country?  

	There were neither rotting corpses or raw sewage in the river.  The 
water was potable.  It was being used locally by the town and was used by the 
British to supply the camp. 
  
>  >>  >  	Fourth  you tell the sadisitc gang of thugs you command to stop killing 
>  >>  >  people. Kramer did not do this.
  
>  >>  Where is the order that he told them to kill people?  Also, some of these 
guards 
>  >were
>  >>  not under his direct command, having been sent there during the last few 
>  >weeks of the
>  >>  war.

	The entire camp was under his direct command.  He was an 
experienced comamnder, trained and promoted for his efficiency.
  
  
>  	To bad the "liberators" (who were there by negotiation of the camp's 
early
>  surrender at Kramer's instigation) did not report any such thing.  Beyond that,
>  nice try.  


	Actually they not only reported it, they testified under oath at his trial.  

	In other words, the nazi blackmore's words are fabrications and these 
fabrications made to whitewash a nazi murderer.

	--YFE


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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  On 24 Sep 1996 02:10:18 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>  >>  >>  The water with the corpses floating in it?
 
>  >>  >	Gee, first you take the corpses out.
  
>  >>  	And here an example of the lack of education of folks in pre-law.  You 
>  >heard it
>  >>  here folks all you have to do to make water polluted to rotting corpes is 
>  >remove
>  >>  the corpses and it is as pure as French designer water.  
>  >	Since the British used the water and no-one was harmed by it; your 
>  >statement that it wa polluted is ridciulous.

>  	Back to cases.  If corpses are rotting in the water, our brilliant counselor
>  says, take out the bodies and the water is pure.  What next, counselor?  Sip
>  around the turds and be safe?  

	

>  	Hey, genius!  Tell us more.  

	Sure.  Like it or not it is fairly easy to purify water.  You boil it.  About five 
minutes does the trick.

	But lest we forget.  The corpses and the turds are were not in all the 
water supply -- only the cisterns in the camp.

	But that does not even come close to satisfying the basic point.  The 
allegation that there was no potable water available is pure fabrication.  The 
British took over the camp and supplied potable water using the equipment 
available.  You can wiggle and squirm all you want.  The only difference between 
the murderous Kramer and the British was that the British did not want to see 
innocent people die.

	--YFE


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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   Brian Harmon  writes:

>   It was, but you keep insisting that Kramer did all he could, 
>  >  when it is clear that he didn't.
  
>  It certainly is NOT clear that he didn't.  Otherwise we would not keep 
>  addressing this issue.  I believe I have posted the truth in this matter.
>  If you can't see it-that's fine.  We'll just move along to something else.

	We are addressing the issue becasue you continue to lie.
  
>  What equipment did he have in the camp? 
>    Kramer is only guilty of ignorance here, as he thought the river
>  was polluted-and it probably was.

	The water in the river was potable.  There is absolutely no question about 
that.  You are lying again.

  
>  This is debateable, and perhaps he simply did not possess the ingenuity to
>   deal effectively with the issue.  I still maintain that the river water was
>   generally thought of by both the Germans and British initially as NOT suitable
>  for drinking.  In fact, on page 45 of the Belsen Trial you may read the
>  following:
  
>  "All water was brought in by British water trucks."  Also:
  
>  "The water in the tanks and in the concentration area was completely foul,
>  and as an immediate emergency measure some army water-carts were sent
>  in."  Pg. 54.
  
>  It is clear that this water did NOT come from the river

	The opposite is true.  The water came from the river.

> but from British supplies.
>  In fact, though a British officer later stated that the water pumped in from the river
>  was "fit to drink", they still brought in water from British water carts for immediate
>  use in the camp.

	They used water carts to bring water from the river.

>  It took four to five days to supply the camp with water from the 
>  river.  As to HOW this officer knew that the river water was potable, or whether
>  he himself drank of it, the records do not say.

	It took a matter of hours once they realized that there was equipment in 
the camp.
	
>  
>    If the water at Belsen was contaminated, why didn't Kramer do anything about 
it?
  
>  Well, what could he have done?  Even the British had to resort to their own 
water 
>  supplies to relieve the camp for the first week.

	You keep repeating this lie.

	The blackmore method is an obvious one.  He has decided that a 
murderous bastard was innocent because blackmore hero-worships the man.  He 
therefore continually invents excuses for his murderous conduct.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Jewish math: 6 million minus 2.5 million= 6million, of course!
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:

    
>    	The question is not whether you can lie about the placque.  You did 
>    so.  You specifically claimed that it stated "Jews."  The question is why did 
you 
>    think you could get away with it.  That is a question only you could answer.
  
>  If you research Deja news, you will see that it was answered.  Stop fiddling 
around
>  with this nonsense.  You attempt to make a big balloo over whether Jews 
were specifically
>  mentioned on these plaques or now.  Whether they were or weren't, the 
results are still the
>  same.  You nor the Polish Auschwitz "Museum" can come up with 
convincing figures to show
>  that millions of non-Jews were gassed at Auschwitz.  --rb

	Which. of course, is why they changed the monument.  That does not 
change the original meaning which referrred to non-Jewish vicitms of the nazis.


>      Yes, and these alleged four million were what--Eskimoes?  Are you so
>      dense?
   
>    	Why are you so dishonest.  The Poles consistently claimed it was 
>  >  Poles.  As one sociologist who studied the Polish conception of Auschwitz 
stated 
>  >  it was "Auschwitz without Jews." (citation previously provided).
  
>  >  >  So?  What is your contention, then, that 1.5 million Jews were killed at
>  >  >  Auschwitz and 2.5 million Gentiles?  Is that what you are now asking us 
>  >  >  to swallow?  Lotsa luck...-rb
  
>  >  	No.  No one is stating that this is the fact.  They have been stating 
that 
>  >  this was the Polish position.  It was.  Why are you so dense?  Or is it just 
>  >  dishonesty?
  
>  Let's go another round on this----the Poles called the Jews Poles, is that it?
>  It doesn't change the fact that the millions referred to were not Poles but 
Polish
>  Jews....entienda...?  Quibble, quibble.....rb

	Apparently you command of English is fairly poor.  The Poles called 
the Poles "Poles."  Clearly one of the reasons they  inflated the figure was to 
maximize the appearance of Polish suffering.  "Auschwitz without Jews" means 
exactly that.

	Nor is it a quibble.  The fact is you lied and did so obnoxiously.  And 
have been even more obnoxious about it since you lie was exposed.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Mon Dec 23 09:33:23 PST 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: No SS Man Was Ever Punished?
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:

  
>  Mr. Power, people would respect you more if you wouldn't play them for fools by
>  distorting comments they are capable of reading for themselves.  And you still 
refer
>  to me as a liar about the paques although this issue was settled ages ago.

	Yes.  You lied.  It was not a "mistake" for you stated that you had a 
photograph of the monuments in front of you.

>  Of course.  however, all of this will have to wait until I locate all the available
>  research material.  hoess was certainly under investigation for the murder of 
Jews.

	The "available research material" is easy to locate.  It is in the 
Bundesarchiv Koblenz which contains the original papers of the investigations.  
Please give a single source reliable source  who state that Hoess was under 
investigation for the "murder of Jews."
>  No.  According to Morgen, this had also to do with murdering jews.--rb

	That is completely untrue.  Boith Morgen and Gunther Reinecke (Chief 
Judge of the Supreme SS and Police Court) testified as defense witnesses at 
Nurember.  Neither made such statements.  Both, by the way, claimed that 
Himmler had tried to interfer with their investigations.

>  misleading yourself ae well.  When I do post the material, and I will, your 
knickers will
>  drop of their own accord.....rb

	The material, specifically Morgen's testimony as a defense witness at 
Nuremberg is available at many libraries.  You have posted nothing becasue you 
have nothing.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Mon Dec 23 09:33:24 PST 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>  >  >   e0191187@brookes.ac.uk writes:
>  >  >  Why is Al Baron in jail?

>  >  >  Darren Green,
>  >  >  Oxford Brookes University.
  
>  >  	Sine you are closer to the source than most of us, why don't you 
check.  
>  >  You might start with the government office that assigns counsel to indigents 
and 
>  >  locate his solictor/barrister.

>  That was cruel and vicious, Yale.  And you are supposed to be religious?

	Perhaps you should explain yourself.  The questioner is in geographic 
proximity to the situation.  I suggested a rather easy way to locate the information 
in which he seems interested.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Tue Dec 24 08:26:10 PST 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Jews in Israel Hate Immigrants
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>   schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect) writes:
  
>  Hmmm... Let's go back to where this started.
   
>  Mr. Tavish said Muslims aren't allowed in the Israeli military.
>   
>  MANY people pointed out that he was incorrect, and gave specific examples
>  of Druze muslims, for instance, serving in the Israeli military.
  
>  Mr. Tavish's response was to say something "cute" about being the butt of 
jokes.
   
>  Mr. Tavish was CERTAINLY PROVED WRONG in his statement regarding 
Jews in
>  the IDF.
   
>  Yet, here is is, insisting that he hasn't been proved wrong.
   
>  Ever wonder what these guys use for brains?

	No.  I saw "Young Frankenstein."  -- "Abby who?"

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: No SS Man Was Ever Punished?
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>   karlpov@access1.digex.net (Charles R.L. Power) writes:
>  tutu101@aol.com (Tutu101) writes:

>  >To M. Stein:  You are, of course, correct when you write that these events
>  >occurred in 1937.  However, Koch was charged and executed in the forties,
>  >as well as another commandaer, I believe.  Hoess was under investigation
>  >by SS authorities as well, and a deposition was taken by one Eleanor
>  >Hodyss, a mistress of the ex-commandant.  This deposition was to be used
>  >as evidence against him by the SS judicial authorities.  The investigation
>  >had the full backing of Himmler.  Grabner was also arrested by the SS and
>  >charged with crimes, as was Goeth.  However, due to the late period in
>  >time when their crimes came to light, they were later re-arrested and
>  >executed by the Poles.  I am confident that I shall uncover many more such
>  >cases as I continue to do research.
  
>  Joe, there's a curious lacuna in all the above: "under investigation" for
>  WHAT? "arrested by the SS" for WHAT? WHAT crimes were involved? You 
have
>  been arguing that SS men were punished for cruelty toward Jews, but you
>  have presented evidence only that the SS occasionally arrested, charged,
>  or investigated its members for "crimes" which you consistently refuse to
>  specify (except, as I recall, at the beginning of your discussion of SS
>  arrests, when you demonstrably lied).

	The lacuna is neither curious nor inexplicable.  As has been posted here 
several times the Morgen investigations were for embezzlement.  In Koch's case he 
was convicted as well of murdering two non-Jewish inmates who could provide 
evidence against him.  The murders took place after the investigation began.  The 
details of these cases can be found, among other places, in "Soldiers of Evil" by 
Tom Segev.  That work is significant to this discussion becasue "blackmore" 
claims that he owns and has read it.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>
>      I believe you were indeed provided with a reference.  As to the
>      alleged correspondence, I can only say that it must be another forgery.
>      You may find evidence of these forgeries in the biography of Lucius
>      B. Clay, where he freely admitted that these horror pieces were frauds.--rb
    
>    	I have the relevant pages of Clay's autobiography in front of me. (Page 
>    254)  He makes no such statement complaining only: "Perhaps I erred in 
judgment 
>    [in commuting Koch's sentence] but no one can share the responsibility of a 
>    reviewing officer.  Later the Senate committee which unanimously criticized 
this 
>    action heard witnesses who gave testimony not contained in the record 
before me. 
>     I could only take action on that record."
    
>    	So much for "blackmore's' statement.

>  In the book "Lucius D. Clay--An American Life, Jean Edward Smith, Henry Holt 
>  & Co., 1990, he reproduces an interview with Clay.  Here is an excerpt:
  
>  CLAY:  ".....one of the reasons I revoked the death sentence of Ilse Koch.  
There
>  was absolutely no evidence in the trial manuscript, other than that she was a 
rather
>  oathesome creature, that would support the death sentence.  I received more 
abuse
>  for that than anything else I did in Germany.  Some reporter had called her the 
"Bitch of
>   Buchenwald", had written that she had lampshades made out of human skin 
in her
>  house.  And that was introduced in court, where it was absolutely proven that 
the 
>  lampshades were made out of goatskin."  P. 300-301.
  
>  Time to enter into the nineties, Yale.

	Time to enter reality.  Here is a man defending himself against charges 
that he was wrong and he doesn't bother to present this rather convincing bit of 
evidence.  Instead he states "perhaps I erred."  Thirty years later he makes an 
statement which factually is not correct.

	Produce the trial testimony.  Not some second-hand account.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: The Criminal Giwer Rants & Raves
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>   the criminal Giwer harasses an ISP:

>  On 16 Dec 1996 03:23:10 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
  
>  >>   the criminal Giwer writes:
>  >>  On 15 Dec 1996 03:02:35 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) 
wrote:

>  >>  	Again the lying boozing kike shyster fears reporting the "crime" to
>  >>  legal authorities but insists upon the pecularly JEW harrassment of
>  >>  innocent parties to achieve their aims.  
  
>  >>  	Is it any wonder kikes are considered sneaky little bastards?  

>  >	Aren't you going to have fun explaining this to gte.net?
  
>  	Are you going to have fun explaining your starting all the name
>  calling to enter.net?  

>  	The poor, intimidated ethnic got in over his little head and now
>  cries to mommy to protect him before he gets turned into a lampshade.
>  What a whiney little kike.  

	The criminal Giwer forwarded this post, without other comment to 
enter.net.  Their reponse to me was "This fellow is harassing us by sending 
multiple emails complaining about someone."

	What I have been explaining to enter.net is their legal options and the 
correct procedure for stopping this harassment.

	I still wonder if the criminal Giwer has read the "hold harmless" clause in 
his contract with gte.net.  I also wonder if he realizes what it means.

	--YFE

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   the criminal Giwer proves my point:
>  On 13 Dec 1996 15:23:20 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>  
>  >>   tutu101@aol.com (Tutu101) writes:
>  >>  Could this classify as another insult?  Is this how you respond to a
>  >>  person who indicates a willingness to discuss matters peacefully.  Ken
>  >>  Lewis words are highly provocative as well as insulting.  From what I have
>  >>  read these many months, this is a typical response from Holocaust
>  >>  believers.  Your use of insults and name calling will not win you many
>  >>  converts.

>  >	Have you told this to the criminal Giwer.
  
>  	The boozer is back.  The pitiful kike shyster is still with us.
>  Still doing his drunken dance to the light of the monitor.  What a
>  pathetic little kike.  

	Well "tutu" now that you have been given a sample of the criminal 
Giwer's ranting and raving, I repeat my question:  have you told the criminal 
Giwer?

	--YFE


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>   ibokor@metz.une.edu.au (ibokor) writes:

>  And I was under the impression that Christmas is on 25th December.
>  Am I wrong?
  
>  Of course even if the office were closed early for the Christmas break,
>  I am confident that such a question could be easily answered, even if
>  one might need to wait until early in the new year for the answer.

	If it is "Merrie Olde England" is not quite so "Merrie" as it used to be.  
In the U.S. this season is prime time for DUIs.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:
>  On 18 Dec 1996 19:10:18 -0500, mstein@access5.digex.net (Michael P.
>  Stein) wrote:


>  >    Wrong again.  The voice was identified by a listener, and there were
>  >notes for the speech in Himmler's handwriting, and we have other
>  >confirmation that he gave a speech that day.  So there are some positive
>  >reasons to think the tape is real.  You can listen to it yourself if you
>  >have RealAudio capability - check Nizkor.

>  >    But if there is any charge of forgery, the claimant bears the burden
>  >of bringing forward evidence that there was such forgery.  Remember, the
>  >tapes were found by Americans, not Soviets.

>  >    Still, if you're so sure the tapes are doctored, why aren't you
>  >jumping at the chance to both embarrass Nizkor and make all of us take a
>  >collective $2,000 bath?  The offer is still on the table.  Or are you not
>  >as sure as you would like people to think?
  
>  There exists no reason to disprove a tape untested for doctoring and
>  genuineness and consequently worthless.   

	Wrong again, "Stele."

	The standards for the admission of a tape recording into evidence can 
be found in U.S. v. Starks 515 F.2d 112 (3rd Circuit; 1975).  According to that 
case the identity of the speaker may be established through the testimony of a 
witness who recognizes the voice on the tape.  (Commonwealth v. Johnson 450 
Pa. 575, 301 A.2d 632, 634 (1973)  There is, as anybody can see from reading 
those cases, no reason exists for a proponent to test "For doctoring."  That 
burden lies on the person challenging the evidence.

	Once more we discover that the little dog Stele has made the mistake 
of believing his master's voice (good doggie).   Does he ever get tired of making a 
fool of himself?

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   the criminal Giwer writes:
>  On 16 Dec 1996 01:16:11 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>  >	No.  I've put them on notice about your criminal harassment of me and 
>  >my family and your clear violations of the terms of the user agreeement to 
which 
>  >you consented.  This post will. of course, also be forwarded to them.

  
>  	But of course you will lie by ommission as you have always been
>  doing you miserable boozing, lying kike.  

	I have omitted nothing.  Your actions were criminal harassment.  
Several of your ISPs have agreed.
  
>  	You got in over your head, can't handle it yourself, and now you
>  are going to call on your mommy to protect you.  

	Ah, yes.  Yolu are still posting from combase.com?  Netcom.com?  
Attworld.net?  Cybergate.com?

  
>  	If you had the balls you would have filed a criminal complaint by
>  now and exposed yourself to criminal charges for your perjuries.  

	The cowardly criminal Giwer who has been harassing my ISP now runs 
to mommy.  He claims he is being libelled and incites his pet dog "Stele" to 
support him, yet he haasn't the balls to protect his "rights."  He'd rather harass 
Larry Corsa of enter.net.

  
>  	Act like a mensch for once in your life poor intimidated little
>  ethnic.  

	You are a fool if you don't read that "hold harmless" clause.  You are 
even a bigger fool if you rely on your limited legal knowledge to interpret it.

	--YFE


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Subject: Re: Jewish math: 6 million minus 2.5 million= 6million, of course!
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:

  
>  >  	Apparently you command of English is fairly poor.  The Poles called 
>  >  the Poles "Poles."  Clearly one of the reasons they  inflated the figure was to 
>  >  maximize the appearance of Polish suffering.  "Auschwitz without Jews" means 
>  >  exactly that.
  
>  >  	Nor is it a quibble.  The fact is you lied and did so obnoxiously.  And 
>  >  have been even more obnoxious about it since you lie was exposed.

>  Yale, you are full of it.  In the book published by the same agency entitled
>  "German crimes in Poland" it is specifically stated that the Poles were NOT
>  part of those the Nazis allegedly tried to exterminate, but that they would have
>  been the next. Did you say you are a lawyer?  Public defender?  God save us.-rb

	So you state.  Please quote the book.  You ahve been caught fabricating 
too often to take your statements at face value.  Again, in the words of one 
sociologist who has studied the Polish representations it is "Auschwitz without 
Jews."

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Tue Dec 24 08:26:17 PST 1996
Article: 88122 of alt.revisionism
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Jewish math: 6 million minus 2.5 million= 6million, of course!
Date: 23 Dec 1996 02:59:18 GMT
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>   the criminal Giwer writes:
>  On 16 Dec 1996 00:58:22 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>  >	The question was "testimony."  He never gave any such testimony at 
>  >the Nuremberg Tribunal or elsewhere.  If you think otherwise provide a 
citation.
  
>  	How could he have given such testimony as he was acquitted of that
>  charge?  

	What the hell are you talking about.  Hoess was a *defense* witness 
at Nuremberg.  I realize your knowledge of the law is limited and distorted but 
even you must know that a witness cannot be either "convicted" or 
"acquitted."  He was tried by the Poles and convicted and hung.

	I suggest you return to your handlers and try to get them to give you 
some straight information for a change.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Tue Dec 24 08:26:18 PST 1996
Article: 88124 of alt.revisionism
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Khatyn?  Katyn?
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>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:

>  >	The Allies sat back and acquiesced.
  
>  	"Silence is consent."

	As a matter of fact they did not sit back and acquiesce.  I suggest you 
read Telford Taylor's fine book "The Anatomy of the Nuremberg Trials"  A full 
account was previously posted when the criminal Giwer insisted that various 
Germans were executed after being convivted for the Katyn massacre.  That, of 
course, was a lie.

	--YFE 


From yawen@enter.net Tue Dec 24 08:26:19 PST 1996
Article: 88141 of alt.revisionism
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: T. Moran: Unamerican
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>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:

>  >>  On 21 Dec 1996 11:12:25 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) 
wrote:


>  >>  >	Where could l'il tommy be hiding this time?

>  >>  >	Could it be behind the drapes in the dining room?

>  >	Unfortunately he made the challenge for me to prove it.
  
>  	Thank you for recollecting the situation correctly. Now prove it.


	O.K. I will prove it.  Let us take the question to an impartial tribunal.  
You know the conditions.

>  Forget about all the talk of Moran turning himself in. 

	There has been no such talk except from you.  Your cover is wearing 
thin.

  
>  	Really, could you picture Moran going down to some authority and
>  turning himself in? 'Ah sir, I would like to turn myself in for
>  anti-Semitism'.

	Nor has anybody asked you to do so.  You have repeatedly challenged 
me to prove it.  You do so again in this post.  "I am willing to do so.  I an wanting 
to do so. I am waiting to do so."  You on the other hand, are running away.



>  >	Apparently you are calling l'il tommy a liar.

	And a bigot.

	And a coward.

	And I am willing to prove it.

	Congratulations l'il tommy.  Your (or, for you, should I write "you're"?) 
reading skills are improving.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Wed Dec 25 14:32:51 PST 1996
Article: 88162 of alt.revisionism
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: For Doc Tavish--Kramer III
Date: 24 Dec 1996 05:01:42 GMT
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>   ccarp@concept.net (Chris Carpenter) writes:
>  On 22 Dec 1996 01:06:50 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>  >	Sure.  Like it or not it is fairly easy to purify water.  You boil it.  About 
five 
>  >minutes does the trick.
>  Except when it has dead stuff in it.  Then its called soup.

>  Yale, still researching Chief Rabbi Reichorn.

	Perhaps this will help:

	1.  In 1818 the Napoleonic system where Jews in France were 
subject to a single authority -- called a consistory -- was altered.

	2.  From 1818 through 1905 there were four independent 
"consistories" each have its own geographic area.

	3.  The last "Chief Rabbi" from the days of a single consistory, named 
Druetze, died in 1842.

	4.  Two of the consistories (Morocco and southwest France) 
contained primarily Sephardic Jews.  One of the reasons for the four consistories 
was that Sepharidc Jews would not accept the representation by a chief who 
was Ashkenazic.

	5.  One of the reasons given for the change in the system in 1905 
was to establish the office of "chief rabbi."

	None of this, of course, means that Reichhorn did not exist or was not 
a rabbi.  It does however raise some suspicions.

	--YFE	


From yawen@enter.net Wed Dec 25 14:32:52 PST 1996
Article: 88163 of alt.revisionism
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
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>   redux@perdrix.demon.co.uk (Fergus McClelland) writes:

>  Restored paragraph:
>  >>I suggest you consult a real lawyer instead of the criminal 
>  >>Giwer.  You know, the bum who hasn't even the guts to file suit against 
against 
>  >>someone he claims is defaming him.
>  >>  But you keep saying that Mr Giwer has committed criminal acts against

>  >>  you, yet you have not filed a complaint. Is that not the same?
>  Mr Edeiken

>  >	And your basis for saying that is?

>  You should not have edited out your own previous paragraph, that way
>  you would have understood what I was saying.

	I understood the question perfectly:

	And your basis for saying that is?

	You mean you were silly enough to *believe* that silly email message 
>from  the criminal Giwer?

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Wed Dec 25 14:32:53 PST 1996
Article: 88168 of alt.revisionism
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: For Doc Tavish--Kramer III
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:

>  Danny you are wrong.  Re-read my post and the testimony.  For the first week
>  water came from units attached to the British army field kitchens and supplies.--rb

	Yes but you were lying.  The water for the first week was *transported* by 
British water carts.  The testimony was that the water they transported came from the 
river.  Of course, your lie is still irrelevant.

	Or are you going to now tell us that that the water in the river suddenly 
became potable one week after the British arrived?

	Isn't it time you gave up the ghost on this?  You are just making a fool of 
yourself.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: For Doc Tavish--Kramer III
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:

>  >  	As far as the pollutants you describe are concerned, boiling is all that 
>  >  is needed.  Or are you now going to tell us that there was chemical waste 
in the 
>  >  water that suddenly disappeared when the pumping started?  Perhaps you 
>  >  would be good enough to tell us what kind of "filters" could be effective 
against 
>  >  such pollutants and how the locals (who were using water from the river) 
>  >  acquired their immunity.

>  Yale, as usual you are full of it.  the text clearly reads that water was pumped 
in
>  by British field units and a week later the water was introduced from the river.

	They transported in water from the river.

>  If you knew anything about camping and the potability of water, you would 
see that
>  one must take measures to filter the water before drinking.

	Absolute nonsense.  Please provide a reference.


>  Many harmful bacteria in
>  water may not be killed simply by boiling.  I will wager that you never went 
"roughing it"
>  in the wild in your entire armchair, ez boy life.--rb

	I will wager that you never read a book on emergency health 
measures.  *All* bacteria can be killed by boiling water.

	Now you are giwering us with fake "science."

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: For Doc Tavish--Kramer Repost 1
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:

>  Mike--you simply need to stop all this distorting and running to the
>  defense of your colleagues when they are clearly wrong.  Most untreated
>  river water is undrinkable.

	Nonsense.

>  Water was vrought into Belsen for the first
>  week from British Field Units.

	Wrong.  In the testimony you snipped it was stated that the water was 
brought in *by* British field units.

>  Of this river water is so potable, why wasn't the
>  British army drinking it?

	What makes you think that they were not?

>  A week later, they figured out a way to pump water into
>  the camp for showering, cleaning, etc.  Any water which was to be used for 
human
>  consumption, had first to be treated and filtererb

	This is your invention.  The testimony -- which you deleted for obvious 
reasons, stated otherwise.  Indeed the question as to whether the water was 
"potable" was asked and answered in the affirmative.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Jewish math: 6 million minus 2.5 million= 6million, of course!
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:

>  >  	Are you denying that made that statement?
  
>  >  	Apparently the challenge is that you cannot explain your lie.

>  I can explain your posts:  You are an attorney,--rb

	Now try my question.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   the criminal Giwer spews his filth:
>  On 23 Dec 1996 02:28:54 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:


>  >	Apparently I read somewhat better than you.  For the first five days the 
>  >water was trucked to the camp in water "carts."  This does not mean that 
the 
>  >water did not come from the local area.  In fact, it would seem tol indicate 
that it 
>  >was.

>  >>  A week later, water was pumped it. However, it did need to
>  >>  be filtered.

>  >	This is an invention on your part (actually the criminal Giwer invented it 
>  >and you adopted it).  Moreover since the testimony was that the equipment 
>  >found at the camp was used to obtain water from the river any "filters" that 
were 
>  >used were available to the murderer Kramer.

>  >	As far as the pollutants you describe are concerned, boiling is all that 
>  >is needed.  Or are you now going to tell us that there was chemical waste in 
the 
>  >water that suddenly disappeared when the pumping started?  Perhaps you 
>  >would be good enough to tell us what kind of "filters" could be effective 
against 
>  >such pollutants and how the locals (who were using water from the river) 
>  >acquired their immunity.

	To which the Criminal Giwer responded:

>  	Da widdle intimidate ethnic wears its ugwy head and cwys it will be
>  a wampshade.  

>  Revisionists are sneaky bastards, always relying on facts and figures.

	Based on these writings one of two things is true:

	1.  the Criminal Giwer's foul outburst contains facts and figures

	2.  The Criminal Giwer is a liar.

	Anybody who believes #1 is invited to come forward and publically 
demonstrate their stupidity.

	--YFE	


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Subject: Re: The Criminal Giwer Puts His Foot in it Again
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>   the criminal Giwer lies again:
>  On Sat, 21 Dec 1996 21:50:05 -0500, schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka
>  Perrrfect) wrote:

>  >In article <32b97000.8075512@news.gte.net>, Matt Giwer (mgiwer@gte.net),
>  >too much of a coward to use his own name and pretending to be
>  >octagon@septa.gon wrote:

>  >>         The boozing, lying kike shyster misrepresents events one more time.
>  >> But then, what else is expected from an intimidated ethnic.  They lose
>  >> all control when intimidated.  

>  >OOOhhhhhh... an "intimidated ethnic!"
 
>  >Mr. Giwer, please lay off the Sterno. The fumes have definitely reached
>  >what little grey matter you might have once had.
  
>  	Your fellow boozing ethnic made the claim that he was intimidated.
>  If you have a problem with that, as do I, call him a liar for saying
>  he was an intimidated ethnic.  
  
>  	Now get back to your hovel until you can afford a nose job.  
	The criminal Giwer lies again.  The title of the statute was "Ethnic 
Intimidation."  As anyone with a reasonable comprehension of English language (I 
exempt the criminal Giwer from this category) who has read the statute knows, 
actual intimidation need not be claimed.  He is, as usual lying, with this claim.

	Perhaps the criminal Giwer should practice his reading comprehension 
skills.  I suggest he start with the "hold harmless" clause in the contract he has with 
gte.net.

	--YFE


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>   kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:
>  On 21 Dec 1996 11:12:25 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:


>  >	But l'il tommy knows that this is not the case.  I am very willing to prove 
>  >the charge of anti-Semitism before an impartial tribunal.  To this offer l'il tommy 
has, 
>  >when he has not lied about, refused to respond.  l'il tommy, who frequently 
wraps 
>  >himself in the American flag when he parades his bigotry, apparently does not 
believe 
>  >in that most basic of American values, the fair trial.

>  >	When l'il tommy reads this statement he will, as usual, run for cover.

>  >	Where could l'il tommy be hiding this time?

>  >	Could it be behind the drapes in the dining room?

>  Rather Moran has little inclination or need to defend against your
>  promiscuous, Pavlovian, and predictable "revisionism=anti-Semitism"
>  charges Yalie-poo.   

	Unfortunately he made the challenge for me to prove it.

	Apaprently you are calling l'il tommy a liar.

	Good dog, "Stele."  Thank you for agreeing with me.

	--YFE


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>   kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:
>  On 19 Dec 1996 02:00:21 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>  I see.  So if a person's e-mail saying "Fuck off" offends you one
>  should be able to prosecute them under criminal law.  Like I said,
>  what a kike.

	After being directed not send me further e-mail: absolutely.

  
>  >The criminal Giwer decided to use criminal harassment as one of his 
weapons.  That 
>  >he is being brought to book for those acts is my privilege as a victim of those 
>  >crimes.
  
>  Giwer has never been "brought to book" because you are too much of a
>  cowardly, whining, gutless shyster Yale to charge him.    

	And your basis for saying this is?

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Wed Dec 25 14:32:59 PST 1996
Article: 88252 of alt.revisionism
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: The Fuhrer's Gaze (Thank You, ourhero!)
Date: 23 Dec 1996 04:39:21 GMT
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>  >  >   rblackmore@juno.com writes:

>  >  >  You're barking up the wrong tree, Rover.  As I said many times over,
>  >  >  I am not anti-Semitic.
  
>  >  	"I am not a crook."  Richard M. Nixon

>  >  >  Just by your implying it does not make it so.
  
>  >  	No but posting anti-Semitic drivel you have written makes a fairly 
>  >  conclusive argument -- especially when you have refused to address the 
issue.

>  Adress what issue, Yale?  What is it you would like me to address to 
>  assauge your suspicions?  

	Perhaps I missed it.  Gord McFee has frequently posted anti-Semitic 
comments and doggerel you sent to Harold Covington.  To date the only 
response I have seen from you has been flippant one-liners.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Wed Dec 25 14:33:00 PST 1996
Article: 88258 of alt.revisionism
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: The Criminal Giwer Makes a Fool of Himself
Date: 23 Dec 1996 04:51:09 GMT
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>   The criminal Giwer takes time off from harassing ISPs to rave:
>  On 21 Dec 1996 12:52:05 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>  >	I have told you before.  I want an impartial forum.  This is called, in 
>  >American terms, a "fair trial."  Apparently you have no real grasp of the 
concept.  I 
>  >want the right to present my evidence before an unbiased person or panel and 
have 
>  >a decision made as to whether I am correct or not.  I am even willing to pay for 
that 
>  >privilege if I am wrong (as long as you make the same commitment).
  
>  	Considering you claim the IMT was a fair trial
	
	As do all but a few nutcases.  Please note that although the criminal 
Giwer has repeatedly claimed the IMT was *not* a fair trial he continually refuses 
to provide any specifications of how it was unfair.  In fact, he has several times 
lied about what happened at the trial.
	
>  
>  >	The person quivering in fear is you.  Specifically you mess your pants at 
the 
>  >thought of:
  
>  	You are a quivering cowardly kike boozer, unmarried, no children,
>  pretending to be an attorney.  You are very sick and very jewish.  

	Have you checked that "hold harmless" clause yet?

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Wed Dec 25 14:33:01 PST 1996
Article: 88259 of alt.revisionism
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: "Let her lie, why do you care?"
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   Chuck Ferree  writes:

>  >  We all have read so many of your lies, nothing you write means doodly 
>  >  squat. We all know you are just another anti-jewish, anti allied 
>  >  pro-Nazi dipstick. Get a life, pal. 


>  If you would take a little time to do somw research and reading you might
>  learnsomething.

	One of things he will learn is how you distort and misrepresent.

	--YFE


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Article: 88265 of alt.revisionism
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: 'Let them die, why should you care?'
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:

>  >  You posted this claim a dozen times. Every time I asked you
>  >  to provide any evidence whatsoever for it, and every time
>  >  you have declined. You have also failed to address the fact
>  >  that the shrunken heads are mentioned in an official
>  >  correspondence between Nazi officials.
  
>  I believe you were indeed provided with a reference.  As to the
>  alleged correspondence, I can only say that it must be another forgery.
>  You may find evidence of these forgeries in the biography of Lucius
>  B. Clay, where he freely admitted that these horror pieces were frauds.--rb

	I have the relevant pages of Clay's autobiography in front of me. (Page 
254)  He makes no such statement complaining only: "Perhaps I erred in judgment 
[in commuting Koch's sentence] but no one can share the responsibility of a 
reviewing officer.  Later the Senate committee which unanimously criticized this 
action heard witnesses who gave testimony not contained in the record before me. 
 I could only take action on that record."

	So much for "blackmore's' statement.

	--YFE 


From yawen@enter.net Wed Dec 25 14:33:03 PST 1996
Article: 88266 of alt.revisionism
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Dresden
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>   the Criminal Giwer writes:
>  On 16 Dec 1996 01:46:43 GMT, gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) wrote:

>  >:>On 14 Dec 1996 04:39:12 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) 
wrote:

>  >:>>	No.  I need only prove that the criminal Giwer has violated the 
criminal 
>  >:>>laws.  he has done so.  He has, in fact, admitted to the acts which are 
violation 
>  >:>>of the criminal laws.  I suggest you consult a real lawyer instead of the 
criminal 
>  >:>>Giwer.  You know, the bum who hasn't even the guts to file suit against 
against 
>  >:>>someone he claims is defaming him.  He, at least, is smart enough to 
know that 
>  >:>>truth would be a defense.

>  >:>	Fucking, lying kike.  You lying drunken cowardly jew.  

>  >:>	This is the kind of lie expected from jews.  You are demonstrating
>  >:>one of the many reason you are hated.  You are liars.  

>  >My heavens, I guess Mr. Edeiken struck a raw nerve to deserve that 
outburst. 
>  >It's the normal response from the drunken troll Giwer whenever someone 
hits
>  >close to home.  IOW, Giwer is admitting that he has violated the criminal
>  >laws.

>  >Of course, the cowardly drunken troll Giwer could settle all this be hauling
>  >Mr. Edeiken and me into court, but like his friend Stele/Smith (the friend of
>  >the Freeman brothers), he is too spineless to put his money where his mouth
>  >is.
  
>  	Rather, McFly, you are demonstrating just what a boozing, lying,
>  kike shyster the intimidated ethnic really is.  

	Indeed.  I have posted several times the messages sent to me after 
you warned not to do so.  You have admitted sending them.  There is really 
nothing to debate.

	Your are a criminal.

	But you know that.

	--YFE 


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Article: 88268 of alt.revisionism
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: For Doc Tavish--Kramer III
Date: 23 Dec 1996 02:28:54 GMT
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:

>  >  	But that does not even come close to satisfying the basic point.  The 
>  >  allegation that there was no potable water available is pure fabrication.  
The 
>  >  British took over the camp and supplied potable water using the equipment 
>  >  available.  You can wiggle and squirm all you want.  The only difference 
between 
>  >  the murderous Kramer and the British was that the British did not want to 
see 
>  >  innocent people die.

>  I have to ask if you are so dense that you cannot read English, allegedly 
>  being an attorney and all.  What the testimony clearly states is that for the
>  first week, water was supplied to the camp by British field units, which traveled
>  with the british army.

	Apparently I read somewhat better than you.  For the first five days the 
water was trucked to the camp in water "carts."  This does not mean that the 
water did not come from the local area.  In fact, it would seem tol indicate that it 
was.


>  A week later, water was pumped it. However, it did need to
>  be filtered.

	This is an invention on your part (actually the criminal Giwer invented it 
and you adopted it).  Moreover since the testimony was that the equipment 
found at the camp was used to obtain water from the river any "filters" that were 
used were available to the murderer Kramer.


>  There are some waters which you cannot simply boil and then ingest.
>  Obviously you haven't done much camping--Belsen camping or otherwise.--rb

	As far as the pollutants you describe are concerned, boiling is all that 
is needed.  Or are you now going to tell us that there was chemical waste in the 
water that suddenly disappeared when the pumping started?  Perhaps you 
would be good enough to tell us what kind of "filters" could be effective against 
such pollutants and how the locals (who were using water from the river) 
acquired their immunity.

	You fabrications are now reaching laughable proportions.

	--YFE


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Article: 88282 of alt.revisionism
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Another lying giwer
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>   kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) writes:
>  Gordie McFee saz:

>  >It would be interesting to see Mr. Giwer document Dr. Keren's "lies", since it
>  >is known to everyone in this newsgroup that Giwer has indeed been booted 
from
>  >4 ISPs this year.
  
>  I suspect the figure is soon to increment by one, Gordie... the
>  troll loses again...

>  "I can and will come in under another name that is not killfiled. You 
>  folks have proven yourselves so freaking dumb that I can do anything I 
>  want to show what idiots you are." (Matt Giwer, June 13, 1996)

	Perhaps.  But then again remember that the criminal Giwer relies on his 
own legal opinions.  He still hasn't figured out what the "hold harmless" clause 
means.

	--YFE


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Article: 88303 of alt.revisionism
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Mr. Giwer's mailbomb
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>   10@11.12 the criminal Giwer vomits:
>  On 24 Dec 1996 17:04:46 -0000, dbell@maths.tcd.ie (Derek Bell) wrote:

>  >Matt Giwer, posting as 10@11.12 (John Yaya) writes:
>  >>	Fucking kowardly kike.  It only kills moslems when it has a mob
>  >>behind it.  

>  >	Please provide evidence for the assertion that Yale kills Muslims.
>  >Else a public apology and retraction may be a very good idea.
  
>  	It says it is jewish.  What else do such things do?  

	The jury is going to love this one.

	__YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: The Giwer Criminal is Caught Again
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>   kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:
>  On 23 Dec 1996 04:41:51 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>  >>  >The criminal Giwer decided to use criminal harassment as one of his 
>  >weapons.  That 
>  >>  >he is being brought to book for those acts is my privilege as a victim of 
those 
>  >>  >crimes.
  
>  >>  Giwer has never been "brought to book" because you are too much of a
>  >>  cowardly, whining, gutless shyster Yale to charge him.    

>  >	And your basis for saying this is?

>  You're too much of a gutless twerp to file charges, lying shyster.

	Apparently you believe the criminal Giwer.

	Hint: Ask him about his recent telephone conversation with gte.net.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: 'Let them die, why should you care?'
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>   karlpov@explorer2.clark.net (Charles Power) writes:
>  10@11.12 (Doc Benway) writes:
 
>  >	Amazing really.  POWs starved at Andersonville but their civilians
>  >were well fed also.  And no one claims (for at least the last 70
>  >years) that it was a death camp.  
  
>  As I recall, the Prussian-born commandant of Andersonville was hanged
>  for his mistreatment of prisoners, including their murder by systematic
>  brutality, malnutrition and exposure. Is my memory playing tricks on me?

	It's not.  There was a very good made-for-tv thing which recreated the 
trial about a decade ago.  I think William Shatner was in it.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Mr. Giwer's mailbomb
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>   10@11.12 the Criminal Giwer caught harassing innocent pe3ople with his trash 
states::
>  On 23 Dec 1996 14:37:52 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>  >>  >	You amy also be assured that when the criminal Giwer is complaining 
>  >>  >about someone else, it usually indicates that he is doing it himself.  There 
are 
>  >>  >many examples of this.  When the criminal Giwer was threatening 
extra-legal 
>  >>  >"unspecified penalties"  against Nizkor because of a phone call to his 
father 
>  >>  >asking the whereabouts of the criminal Giwer, the criminal Giwer was 
>  >harassing 
>  >>  >me and my family.  

>  >>  >	The criminal Giwer now complains about gte being "harassed."  He 
>  >>  >does not state that he has been harassing providers.  I received an e-mail 
>  >today 
>  >>  >from Larry Corsa at enter.net which stated:

>  >>  >	 "This fellow is harassing us by sending multiple emails complaining 
>  >>  >about someone.

>  >>  >	"Anything we can do about this?"  

>  >>  	Da poor widdle lying bastard kike is so intimidated it keeps on
>  >>  lying.  
  
>  >>  	What a piece of kikedom.  

>  >	Anybody interested in proving the criminal Giwer's harassment and that 
>  >his denial is pure prevarication to themselves may check with 
lcorsa@enter.net.  
>  >Enter.net has also complained to gte.net.
  
>  	The little intimidated ethnic is whining again.  Someone protect
>  this little ethnic from being intimidated.  It can't take care of its
>  widdle self.  It's so scared.  
  
>  	Fucking kowardly kike.  It only kills moslems when it has a mob
>  behind it.  

	The criminal Giwer, caught in another lie, rants and raves.  Please note 
that the criminal Giwer does not deny that he anonymusly sent his filth to innocent 
third parties.  Moreover he does not deny their complaint that he did so repeatedly.

	Again, the silence of his cohorts is defeaning.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: A Certain Perspective
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>   gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:
>  In message <32bc8f25.12837290@news.gte.net> - octagon@septa.gon (Up 
front) [i.e. the criminal Giwer trying to cover his tracks]
>  writes:

>  :>	Van Alstain, another Mogen David boozer who can not help but lie
>  :>like a kike.  
  
>  Poor old Matty.  He must be so lonely.
  
>  And he *loses* again.

	Indeed, now he is sending his vitriol to total strangers.  And he doesn't 
even have the guts to put his name to it.

	--YFE


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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:

>  >  	It is, of course, even harder when the suspect has the right and 
>  >  power to murder possible witnesses against him (as Koch did).  Moreover 
Koch 
>  >  and the others were apparently protected by Eike.  Many complaints by von 
>  >  Waldeck were quashed without investigation.
  
>  But  Koch hanged in the end, didn't he?--rb

	I see your research is up to your usual standards.  "On the last night of 
his life in a prison cell in Buchenwald he [Koch] raved like a madman.  The next 
day he was taken to the courtyard, stood against a wall, and shot."  Segev 
"Soldiers of Evil" (a book blackmore owns and has read); page 147.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: The Criminal Giwer Harasses Innocent People
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>   the Criminal Giwer, caught harassing innocent people:
>  On 24 Dec 1996 03:58:11 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>  >>   gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:
>  >>  In message <32bc8f25.12837290@news.gte.net> - 
octagon@septa.gon (Up 
>  >front) [i.e. the criminal Giwer trying to cover his tracks]
>  >>  writes:

>  >>  :>	Van Alstain, another Mogen David boozer who can not help but lie
>  >>  :>like a kike.  
  
>  >>  Poor old Matty.  He must be so lonely.
  
>  >>  And he *loses* again.

>  >	Indeed, now he is sending his vitriol to total strangers.  And he 
doesn't 
>  >even have the guts to put his name to it.
  
>  	Da po widdle intimidated etnic mouths off again.  

	No.  I am telling the world that you anonymusly harassed some 
people (their statement was posted) with your vitriolic hatred.

	I hope you have a good explanation ready for the jury.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: The Fuhrer's Gaze (Thank You, ourhero!)
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:

>  You're barking up the wrong tree, Rover.  As I said many times over,
>  I am not anti-Semitic.

	"I am not a crook."  Richard M. Nixon


>  Just by your implying it does not make it so.

	No but posting anti-Semitic drivel you have written makes a fairly 
conclusive argument -- especially when you have refused to address the issue.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: 'Let them die, why should you care?'
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>  >>   the Criminal Giwer gives a sample of his lack of rational thought:
>  >>  On 23 Dec 1996 05:10:11 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>  >>  >	I have the relevant pages of Clay's autobiography in front of me. (Page 
>  >>  >254)  He makes no such statement complaining only: "Perhaps I erred in 
>  >judgment 
>  >>  >[in commuting Koch's sentence] but no one can share the responsibility of 
a 
>  >>  >reviewing officer.  Later the Senate committee which unanimously criticized 
this 
>  >>  >action heard witnesses who gave testimony not contained in the record 
before 
>  >me. 
>  >>  > I could only take action on that record."

>  >>  >	So much for "blackmore's' statement.

>  >	To which the criminal Giwer decided to take time out from anonymusly 
>  >harassing strangers:
  
>  >>  	Poor widdle intimidated ethnic speaks up when he hopes his mother
>  >>  is protecting him.  

>  >	And then makes the laughable statement:  

>  >>  Revisionists are sneaky bastards, always relying on facts and figures.

>  >	Perhaps the criminal Giwer will tell us what "facts" he relied upon for this.

>  >	Perhaps he had better figure something out quickly.  Juries don't like it 
>  >when you lie, Matty poo.
  
>  	Po widdle intimidate etnic.  Everybody say AHHHHHHHHH!  	

	Is that what you are going to tell the jury?

	How pitiful.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: 'Let them die, why should you care?'
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>   schultr@ashur.cc.biu.ac.il (Richard Schultz) writes:
>  Prince Myshkin (mgiwer@gte.net) wrote:
>  : On 24 Dec 1996 05:52:26 GMT, schultr@ashur.cc.biu.ac.il (Richard
>  : Schultz) wrote:

>  : >mgiwer@gte.com, posting under one of his numerous pseudonyms, wrote:
  
>  : >: 	10% per month - PER MONTH.  I thought you would never get around to
>  : >: posting that again.  

>  : >: 	And lets see, you have also posted that the total camp population
>  : >: was around 3 million.  So at 120% per year. . .

>  : >In other words, what a maroon.  Ultra-maroon, in fact.
  
>  : 	Excuse me but the Keren Fairy can answer for itself for this
>  : outrageous lie it has posted. 
  
>  Excuse me, O pseudonymous one, but 10% per month and 120% per year are
>  not the same thing.  Talk about innumerate -- or perhaps just clueless.

	Why are you surprised?  Go back and look at the what this mathmatical 
incompetent said about "average life expenctancy."  He thought it meant that all 
would be dead when it ran out.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Jewish math: 6 million minus 2.5 million= 6million, of course!
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   ibokor@metz.une.edu.au (ibokor) writes:
>  >  d.A. wrote:

>  >  In fact the reader of this guide-book who is looking for a single
>  >  location where there is mention of 4 million Jewish victims
>  >  will be sorely disappointed.
>  Stop fiddling around and tell the truth for probably the first time in your life.
>  Don't play games with people.  they won't like it.  people don't like to be played
>  for fools.  The overwhelming majority of inmates at Auschwitz were jews.  Other
>  nationalities perhaps comprised 10 % of the total inmate population, whether your
>  book explicitly states so or not.==rb

	The truth is not the proportion of Jews at Auschwitz but the 
representations of the Polish government.

	The figure on the memorial was inaccurate.  Part of that inaccuracy was 
done to promote an "Auschwitz without Jews."  Moreover, while the total of 
prisoners over the life of the camp was predominently Jewish; th population at any 
one time, was not.  This is because Jews were gassed or otherwise murdered.

	Why don't you stop wiggling and admit that you you are doing no more 
than attempting to justify a lie.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: The Criminal Giwer Hated the U.S.
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>   10@11.12 the Criminal Giwer, a traitor to his Country, spews::
>  On 24 Dec 1996 04:06:09 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>  
>  >>   10@11.12 the criminal Giwer traitorously writes:

>  >>  	At the moment I can not give citations, I can only say that it was
>  >>  an interesting documentary on The History Channel one night.  It also
>  >>  mentioned that prior to Germany finally being provoked into the
>  >>  declaration of war that US Naval vessels provided escorts for merchant
>  >>  ships.  Have a little patience here and I will get around to proper
>  >>  citations.


>  >	Wow!  the American navy provided protection fro American merchant 
>  >shipping.  How could such perfidy have gone unpunished?  

>  >>  	Yes there was clearly US provocation of war with Germany by a
>  >>  violation of neutrality.  Yes the US did protect its merchant ships
>  >>  that were engaged in violating that neutrality.  And in protecting
>  >>  them it did sink Germany submarines.  

>  >	Wow!  The American navy decided to shoot at people who decided to 
>  >attack American ships.  Those fools obviously did not know the purpose of the 
>  >American navy.

>  >	Next the criminal Giwer will tell us that the basic purpose of American 
>  >police forces is to provide employment for workers at Dunkin' Donuts.

>  	Da widdle fuckin intimidated ethnic kike speaks up.  Wow!  IT does
>  have hind wegs. 

	Apparently the criminal Giwer has no answer.

	Unfortunately the jury will be composed of American citizens.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: The Fuhrer's Gaze (Thank You, ourhero!)
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>   kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:
>  On 23 Dec 1996 04:39:21 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote to 
"blackmore":

  
>  >>  >  	No but posting anti-Semitic drivel you have written makes a fairly 
>  >>  >  conclusive argument -- especially when you have refused to address the 
>  >issue.

	To which he responded:

>  >>  Adress what issue, Yale?  What is it you would like me to address to 
>  >>  assauge your suspicions?  

>  >	Perhaps I missed it.  Gord McFee has frequently posted anti-Semitic 
>  >comments and doggerel you sent to Harold Covington.  To date the only 
>  >response I have seen from you has been flippant one-liners.

>  Prove that rb "sent it" to Harold Covington as opposed to Harold
>  taking it from usenet.   You wouldn't be just -assuming- this to try
>  to smear rb as "anti-semitic" (tm) would you?   

	That is for "blackmore" to explain.  So far he has not.  I am assuming 
nothing.  I am reading the header on the communication and asking for an 
explanation.  To date "blackmore" has supplied none.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: "Air Photo Evidence" - Treblinka
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>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:

>  >>	Show where Moran said "there were no buildings whatsoever", or
>  >>even anything even close. Your failure to show it will be your
>  >>indictment. 
>  >>	Does Moran mention any buildings for Treblinka in his post, "Air
>  >>Photo Evidence" - Treblinka, Mr.Keren?

	To which Mike Curtis responded:

>  >Let me quote Moran's prior post.

>  >"	No. There was no rebellion. There were no buildings. There are
>  >no
>  >signs of there ever being any buildings, other than what is shown in
>  >the 1944 photo."
>  
>  	Mr.Curtis, what is your point?

	Perhaps his point is that the statement "There were no buildings." 
means that "There were no buildings."  Perhaps you would like to. once more, 
display you ineptitude with the English language, and try to conjure another 
meaning for that statement from thin air.

	--YFE 


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: A Nazi asks about the Talmud (Sara?)
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:

>  >  	I suggest that you add to your extensive library:
  
>  >  	"The Talmud: A Reference Guide" by Adin Steinsaltz.  It runs about 
>  >  $25,00 in paperback. : "The Tosafot were the collective creation of Rashi's 
>  >  disciples and their students (including many of his own descendants), and 
they 
>  >  are a kind of summary of the style of study and inquiry in the yeshivot of 
France 
>  >  and Germany in the twelfth and thirteenth centuries.  They began as additions 
to 
>  >  and notes on Rashi's [often cryptic] commentary; they were subsequently 
>  >  expanded and became a profound and independent interpretation of the 
>  >  Gemara itself, indeed, in some cases one can view them as an extension of 
the 
>  >  Talmudic discussion."  page 52

>  Well, then, does this mean that they are generally considered as a part of the
>  Talmud?  And thank you for illuminating the subject.  I will certainly look for this
>  book.--rb

	No more than the published opinions of the Supreme Court are 
considered part of the Constitution.

	Steinsaltz's book is published by Random House.

	--YFE 	


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>   kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:
>  On 24 Dec 1996 04:49:47 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>  >	And your basis for saying that is?

>  Quit bluffing gutless lying shyster.  You haven't filed a thing and
>  you know it.

	Are you really telling me the criminal Giwer hasn't told you?

	Another sucker heard from.

	--YFE


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>   John.Morris@UAlberta.CA (John Morris) writes:
>  In <32bec564.26598694@news.gte.net>, Matt "Same Old Same Old" Giwer
>  (mgiwer@gte.net) posting as 10@11.12 (John Yaya) wrote:
>  
>  [snip]
>  
>  >	Never before in history ... but I am beginning to repeat myself.  
>  
>  I noticed that six months ago.


	Perhaps it's a tortable paupacy of imagination.  He has trouble thinking up 
new lies.  He hasn't told us that head lice spread typhus for months now.

	--YFE



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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   klewis@awinc.com (Ken Lewis) writes:

>  >  Sorry, it doesn't quite cut it. ("Honest, Dad, I'm not a bigot.
>  >  Sure, I dress up in a sheet and stand around a burning cross with
>  >  the boys but I'm just having some fun. Some of the others may
>  >  mean it but not me. After all, I didn't light the cross.")
  
>  So this is your fantasy of me?  Quite funny....and quite erroneous.-rb

	Then why don't you explain it.

	--YFE


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>   the criminal Giwer writes:

>  >Joel Rosenberg wrote:

>  >> But, again:  go to his web page and look at that face.  And if you
>  >> can't find pity in your heart for that poor loser, then look some
>  >> more.

>  >Kinda sounds like the comments of an unsuccessful science fiction writer
>  >to me. Doc Tavish
  

>  	However I know several people who have kept up and not one of 
them
>  has ever heard of a Joel Rosenberg as an SF author.  

  
>  	Yet the boy has claimed to have 2 million ( in holocaust millions
>  no doubt ) in print.  
  
>  	Some day the truth may come out about this wannabe pretender but
>  for the moment he remains silent as to his title credits.  

	Actually the truth is coming out about the criminal Giwer.  He 
apparently is as much a stranger to a bookstore as he is to a library.

	I found his books at the two local bookstores I go to most often.  His 
books were there.  In tribute to Giwer blowing it again I bought one "Hour of the 
Octopus."  It was a very good read, Joel.  Very reminiscent of Vance.  I also 
made a couple of phone calls to old friends (unlike the criminal Giwer I will name 
mine) one was Gardner DoZois (editor of Asimov's),  George Scithers 
(original editor of Asimov's, editor of Weird Tales), and Gary Feldbaum (currently 
bidding for a worldcon).  All had heard of him.  Janny Wurtz has as well.

	Good job, criminal, it really enhances your credibility to be proven 
wrong again.


	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Wed Dec 25 20:35:43 PST 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Paranoiac Rage (was: Re: Christ Killers! (was Re: Laughter is the Best Medicine)
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>   Keith Morrison  writes:
>  Mark Raven wrote:

>  > Your contention that Pollard is similar to the Korean spy is nonsense.  Pollard
>  > transmitted targeting data, enabling Israel to viably threaten the then-Soviet 
Union
>  > with nuclear attack, knowing that the USSR would automatically respond by 
attacking the
>  > USA, and then most of the world would be destroyed (the so-called "Samson 
Option").
>  > This represents their idea of "security".  Pollard's crimes, if realized, would be 
far
>  > greater than any in history.
  
>  Threaten the Soviet Union *how*?  How, exactly, were they going to deliver
>  a nuclear weapon to Soviet territory without anyone intercepting it en route?

	Perhaps he will also reveal how he learned this information.  And 
assuming he did so, how he -- or the person who revealed it to him -- has 
managed to stay out of jail  The details of the information Pollard gave to Israel 
has never been made public.  It was placed under seal by the court.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Wed Dec 25 20:35:44 PST 1996
Article: 88607 of alt.revisionism
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: For Doc Tavish--Kramer III
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>   tutu101@aol.com (Tutu101) writes:

>  
>  Yale--how many times do you need to be told--the water for the first week
>  came from British field units--it did not come from the river.

	At this point you are just lying.    The testimony was not that the British 
field units supplied water.  They supplied "water carts."


>  It came
>  from the river a week later after the water  was pumped into the camp and
>  filtered for consumption.  The water used for showering did not need to be
>  filtered, simply pumped in.

	You are just lying again.  Please point to one word of testimony that 
indicates the water was "filtered."  When asked the direct question as to whether 
the water from the river was "potable"  the straitforawrd asnwer was that the river 
water was potable.  Look it up in the dictionary.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Wed Dec 25 20:35:44 PST 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   mcurtis@inetport.com (Mike Curtis) writes:

  
>  Actually there is a lot more important stuff going on than just 
>  keeping track of ignorant folks who consider the Nazis to be the
>  boon of mankind. To record _you_ takes a entry on a keyboard. Heck,
>  they are even archiving me! 
  
>  You do not see me complaining.

	On the other hand you are not identifying yourself as "Christ" and 
threatening others with "POGROM"s.

	--YFE 


From yawen@enter.net Thu Dec 26 09:03:01 PST 1996
Article: 88684 of alt.revisionism
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: 'Let them die, why should you care?'
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>   the Criminal Giwer gives a sample of his lack of rational thought:
>  On 23 Dec 1996 05:10:11 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>  >	I have the relevant pages of Clay's autobiography in front of me. (Page 
>  >254)  He makes no such statement complaining only: "Perhaps I erred in 
judgment 
>  >[in commuting Koch's sentence] but no one can share the responsibility of a 
>  >reviewing officer.  Later the Senate committee which unanimously criticized this 
>  >action heard witnesses who gave testimony not contained in the record before 
me. 
>  > I could only take action on that record."

>  >	So much for "blackmore's' statement.

	To which the criminal Giwer decided to take time out from anonymusly 
harassing strangers:
  
>  	Poor widdle intimidated ethnic speaks up when he hopes his mother
>  is protecting him.  

	And then makes the laughable statement:  

>  Revisionists are sneaky bastards, always relying on facts and figures.

	Perhaps the criminal Giwer will tell us what "facts" he relied upon for this.

	Perhaps he had better figure something out quickly.  Juries don't like it 
when you lie, Matty poo.

	--YFE	


From yawen@enter.net Thu Dec 26 09:03:03 PST 1996
Article: 88691 of alt.revisionism
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Doc Tavish unless otherwise noted
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>   schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect) writes:
>  In article <32bc3178.9150724@news.gte.net>, Matt Giwer 
(mgiwer@gte.net),
>  too much of a coward to use his own name and pretending to be
>  octagon@septa.gon wrote:

  
>  >         Rather it is perhaps another example of jews having such an ego
>  > involvement in their imagined intelligence that they have to attack
>  > everone else on those grounds.  But no one asked, if you are so smart
>  > why were you holocausted?  
  
>  Of course, Mr. Giwer is the world's expert on imagined intelligence. He
>  imagines he has some.
  
>  This is the same Mr. Giwer who uses descriptive words like "kike," and
>  "yid" and "dumb cunt" and "fatbroad" and "lying shyster" to bolster his own
>  arguments.
   
>  This is the same Mr. Giwer who apparently doesn't know the difference
>  between profound and high-functioning autism, yet claims expertise on the
>  subject because he "hugged one once."
   
>  This is the same Mr. Giwer who has been bounced off of at least three ISPs
>  that I know of since he joined alt.revisionism.
   
>  This is the same Mr. Giwer who apparently doesn't understand the phrase
>  "don't send me e-mail."

>  Yep. He's an expert on imagined intelligence, alright.

	Just wait until he recieves his next bill from gte.net.

	And to think he was warned to read the "hold harmless" clause in his 
user contract.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Thu Dec 26 09:03:04 PST 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: A Nazi discusses war crimes (And response to Chuck)
Date: 24 Dec 1996 04:06:09 GMT
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>   10@11.12 the criminal Giwer traitorously writes:
>  On Sat, 14 Dec 1996 11:08:47 -0700, mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van
>  Alstine) wrote:

>  >This, of course, is a provable lie. I have pointed this to Mr. Smith 
>  >several times already and challenged him to substantiate his claim. Mr.
>  >Smith, being such a "brave" Nazi has instead chosen to tuck his tail and
>  >run each time. 

>  >Will Mr. Smith refer to the historical record and cite a (credible) source
>  >that shows the United States Navy was "destroying German vessels on the
>  >high seas before 1939 to provoke Hitler into a war?"
  
>  	Let us clarify this.  Does the issue hang upon the date or that FDR
>  was attempting to provoke a war with Germany?  And if the latter, does
>  it hang upon the method of that provocation?  

>  	At the moment I can not give citations, I can only say that it was
>  an interesting documentary on The History Channel one night.  It also
>  mentioned that prior to Germany finally being provoked into the
>  declaration of war that US Naval vessels provided escorts for merchant
>  ships.  Have a little patience here and I will get around to proper
>  citations.


	Wow!  the American navy provided protection fro American merchant 
shipping.  How could such perfidy have gone unpunished?  

>  	Yes there was clearly US provocation of war with Germany by a
>  violation of neutrality.  Yes the US did protect its merchant ships
>  that were engaged in violating that neutrality.  And in protecting
>  them it did sink Germany submarines.  

	Wow!  The American navy decided to shoot at people who decided to 
attack American ships.  Those fools obviously did not know the purpose of the 
American navy.


	Next the criminal Giwer will tell us that the basic purpose of AMerican 
police forces is to provide employment for workers at Dunkin' Donuts.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: The Giwer Criminal is Caught Again
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>   kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:
>  On Wed, 25 Dec 1996 01:30:51 -0700, mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van
>  Alstine) wrote:




>  >You have repeated this same lie several times. Now, Mr. Smith, I take it
>  >that your furious backpeddaling and lying about what you wrote is your way
>  >of admitting that you _are_ indeed a cowardly little Nazi shit who is
>  >running away from my challange to you? 



  
>  (yawn).  Oh Van Smallstein.  It matters not if the Germans were being
>  attacked in 1939, 1932, or 1940, it was still the U.S. that attacked
>  first.   You lose either way.  You win on the error and lose the
>  argument but you're too dense to realize that of course.




	Please name the German ship that was attacked by the "Rueben 
James" (you know, the ship names after the trumpet player) which was 
torpedoed while escorting American merchant ships?  And, while your at it, name 
a German ship that was "attacked" before the sinking of the Rueben James.

	--YFE



From yawen@enter.net Thu Dec 26 09:03:05 PST 1996
Article: 88818 of alt.revisionism
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: LEADING REVISIONIST SCHOLAR (TM) (Re: For Doc Tavish--Kramer III)
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>   10@11.12 the Criminal Giwer's Reading Comprehension Fails again:
>  On Tue, 24 Dec 1996 12:25:57 GMT, dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
>  wrote:
  
>  	Actually it is about a kike shyster who has stated that he is an
>  intimidated ethnic.  Those were its words, not mine.  

	Actually it is about the criminal Giwer whose misdemeanor was bumped a 
grade because of a statute entitled "Ethnic Intimidation."

	The criminal Giwer will be asked to provide the jury with an actual 
reference that states what he claims it states.

	--YFE


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>   the Criminal Giwer writes:
>  On 16 Dec 1996 00:53:50 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>  >	In this case, I and my family are the victims of the crimes committed by 
>  >the criminal Giwer.  I will continue to so describe him in the future.

>  >	It is neither silly or an opinion.  It is a statement of fact.  The criminal 
>  >Giwer has, in fact, admitted committing the acts.  You have been provided 
the 
>  >text of the statute involved.

  
>  >>  But you keep saying that Mr Giwer has committed criminal acts against
>  >>  you, yet you have not filed a complaint. Is that not the same?

>  >	And your basis for saying that is?
  
>  	You own words that you would not file a complaint you boozing,
>  intimidated ethnic.  

	The criminal Giwer is, as is his usual practice distorting.  The comment 
was made after his initial criminal harassment of me and my family.  I have not 
made this statement after his continued criminal harassment of me and my family.

	I do hope the criminal Giwer will pay a visit Pennsylvania in the near 
future.

	--YFE

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Fri Dec 27 11:37:58 PST 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   the criminal Giwer writes:
>  On 13 Dec 1996 10:37:21 -0500, mstein@access5.digex.net (Michael P.
>  Stein) wrote:

>  >    Because!  I!  Say!  So!  ISPs are not in the habit of releasing
>  >"exhaustive reports" to the general public on such matters.  But in this
>  >case, I would say that seeing a relationship between Mr. Giwer's sudden
>  >departure from Netcom, and the mailbomb complaint filed shortly before
>  >said departure, is _not_ a "post hoc ergo propter hoc" fallacy. 
  
>  	However it is not only a fallacy but a lie as Netcom gave the
>  reason as the harrassment they received.  That was of course
>  orchestrated holohugger harrassment.  And as we all know that is
>  continuing with GTE because they are despicable little boozing kikes.

	Actually netcom did *not* terminate the criminal Giwer, they only 
"suspended" his service because of his actions.  He could have been reinstated 
if he had met their conditions.  One of those conditions was, I wsa informed, a 
public apology to Nizkor for mailbombing them and a written promise nt to do it 
again.  The criminal Giwer decided to take his business elsewhere.

	You amy also be assured that when the criminal Giwer is complaining 
about someone else, it usually indicates that he is doing it himself.  There are 
many examples of this.  When the criminal Giwer was threatening extra-legal 
"unspecified penalties"  against Nizkor because of a phone call to his father 
asking the whereabouts of the criminal Giwer, the criminal Giwer was harassing 
me and my family.

	The criminal Giwer now complains about gte being "harassed."  He 
does not state that he has been harassing providers.  I received an e-mail today 
>from  Larry Corsa at enter.net which stated:

	 "This fellow is harassing us by sending multiple emails complaining 
about someone.

	"Anything we can do about this?"

	Attached to the e-mail was one of the criminal Giwer's posts 
under a forged name to alt.revisionism ranting and raving.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: For Doc Tavish--Kramer III
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>   tutu101@aol.com (Tutu101) writes:

>  	Sure.  Like it or not it is fairly easy to purify water.  You boil
>  it.  About five 
>  minutes does the trick.
  
>  Tell you what, Yale...the next time you drop a big old turd in the toilet,
>  scoop some of the water out, boil it for five minutes, and then openwide
>  for chunky........

	Tell you what, liar, next time you are given a choice between dying and 
drinking safe but unappetizing water, you, me and any other person in the world 
would open wide and swallow.

	--YFE


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Article: 88897 of alt.revisionism
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: A Nazi asks about the Talmud (Sara?)
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:

>  What is the tosephta and how does it differ from the Talmud?-rb

	I suggest that you add to your extensive library:

	"The Talmud: A Reference Guide" by Adin Steinsaltz.  It runs about 
$25,00 in paperback. : "The Tosafot were the collective creation of Rashi's 
disciples and their students (including many of his own descendants), and they 
are a kind of summary of the style of study and inquiry in the yeshivot of France 
and Germany in the twelfth and thirteenth centuries.  They began as additions to 
and notes on Rashi's [often cryptic] commentary; they were subsequently 
expanded and became a profound and independent interpretation of the 
Gemara itself, indeed, in some cases one can view them as an extension of the 
Talmudic discussion."  page 52

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: The Criminal Giwer Starts to See the Light
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>   10@11.12 (Doc Benway) writes:
>  On 24 Dec 1996 00:31:18 -0500, mstein@access2.digex.net (Michael P.
>  Stein) wrote:

>  >Yale F. Edeiken  wrote:
>  >>	I do hope the criminal Giwer will pay a visit Pennsylvania in the near 
>  >>future.

>  >    Perhaps he will drive through on his way to Ottawa to have a chat with
>  >Mr. Dosanj or one of his associates? 
 
>  	Perhaps you lying kikes will some day learn the Chistian virtue of
>  forgiveness? 
>  	Never!  You are all murdering animal yids.  

	The Criminal Giwer having criminally harassed me and my family and 
lied about consistently, asks for "forgiveness."

	Sorry, criminal, when has there even been an apology.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: A Nazi asks about the Talmud (Sara?)
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>   Doc Tavish <"tavish@phoenix.net"@phoenix.net> writes:
>  Honest question- Has a gentile or could a gentile ever be a rebbe or a
>  rabbi Mike?

	Yes.  Moreover one does not have to be a Jew to study Talmud.  The 
best expert I know is a Jesuit priest.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Giwer loses it yet another time (Re: The Good Old Days,1.)
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>   octagon@septa.gon (Up front) writes:
  
>  >>"History, as usual, will tell lies." - GBS. Have times changed?
>  >>and If history has taught us anything, it is that history will >be revised.

>  	It leaves other conclusions.  One is the opinion George Bernard
>  Shaw which is presented for your consideration.  He wrote it in a play
>  covering the difference between US and British histories of the
>  American Revolution.

	Actually he wrote it in "The Devil's Disciple" and the reference was 
to "history" would explain the failure of Lord Germaine to issue orders to have 
Clinton move up the Hudson.  The theme of the play, by the way, is how 
circumstances can bring out the real character of a man.  The American hero is 
based on John Peter Muhlenberg.

	--YFE


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>   the Criminal Giwer writes:

>  FROM YOUR IMT:
  
>  
  
>  DR SEIDL: When the witness was heard here I had no opportunity to
>  cross-examine him, and for that reason ....
  
>  PRESIDENT: Why did you have no opportunity to cross examine him?
  
>  DR SEIDL: Because I did not know beforehand that he would be called by
>  the Prosecution as a witness and had no opportunity to speak to the
>  Defendant Frank about the questions which might have been put to the
>  witness.
  
>  [....]
  
>  DR SEIDL: May I perhaps add something to this point?  The difficulty
>  of cross examination is just this, that we do not learn of the
>  intended calling of a witness by the Prosecution until the witness is
>  led into the courtroom, and we do not know the subject of the evidence
>  until the Prosecution start to examine the witness.
  
>  
  
>  Just like in any regular trial.
>  Source: IMT, VIII, p. 521

	Yes.  The defense attorney made an objection.

	No ruling of the Court is reported.

	No argument by the Prosecution is reported.

	All the criminal Giwser presents is the fact that a defense attorney made 
some sort of objection.

	The criminal Giwer apparently believes that the fact that a defense 
attorney makes an objection is proof that no fair trial was had.

	`--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes:
>  >  Punished? They were DECORATED for participating in the mass murder.

>  >  Letter from SS-Obersturmbannfuehrer Rodl to the inspector of
>  >  concentration camps, SS-Obersturmbannfuehrer Liebehenschel, 14
>  >  November 1941
>  >  [Hitler and the Final Solution - G. Fleming, University of California
>  >  Press, 1984, p. 99]
>  >  --------------------------------------------------------------------
>  >  The Commandant's office has submitted to date two lists recommending
>  >  the conferment of the Kreigverdienstkreuz [war service cross]. In
>  >  both of these appear SS personnel who participated in executions. We
>  >  herewith request confirmation as to whether these names should be
>  >  listed once again in the roll currently under preparation. Further
>  >  requested is information as to whether in the recommendation lists
>  >  under "reasons and comments of immediate superior" there should be
>  >  specified "execution, i.e., special action" or whether a general,
>  >  routine reason should be given.

>  What were the circumstances of these alleged executions?

	The mass shooting of innocent civilians at Riga (Fleming; page 100) 
which he organized "on orders from the highest levels."

	--YFE


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>   kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:
>  On 23 Dec 1996 14:41:01 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>  >>   the criminal Giwer vomits:
>  >>  On 23 Dec 1996 04:02:27 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) 
wrote:

>  >>  >>  >>   tutu101@aol.com (Tutu101) writes:
>  >>  >>  >>  Could this classify as another insult?  Is this how you respond to a
>  >>  >>  >>  person who indicates a willingness to discuss matters peacefully.  
>  >Ken
>  >>  >>  >>  Lewis words are highly provocative as well as insulting.  From 
what I 
>  >have
>  >>  >>  >>  read these many months, this is a typical response from Holocaust
>  >>  >>  >>  believers.  Your use of insults and name calling will not win you 
many
>  >>  >>  >>  converts.

>  >>  >	Well "tutu" now that you have been given a sample of the criminal 
>  >>  >Giwer's ranting and raving, I repeat my question:  have you told the 
criminal 
>  >>  >Giwer?
  
>  >>  	Only communists repeat the holocaust claims the communists 
>  >created.
>  >>  That makes you not only a lying boozing kike but a murdering
>  >>  communist.  What does a slime murderer like you do looking in a
>  >>  mirror?  

>  >	Well "tutu" you now have two examples of the criminal Giwer's 
>  >technique.

>  >	Why ae you keeping silent?

>  Giwer's not a criminal, Yalie-poo.

	People who commit criminal acts are criminals.  The criminal Giwer 
has committed several criminal acts.


 > Opinions don't determine
>  criminality, courts do.   But I thought you said you knew how courts
>  work, shyster-man?

	I certainly do.  And the criminal Giwer is a criminal.

	--YFE


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>   Doc Tavish <"tavish@phoenix.net"@phoenix.net> writes:
>  Andrew Mathis wrote:

>  > >What would gentiles do if they did read all the
>  > >referrences made about them in the Talmud- turn around and rip the
>  > >jugular veins wide open of the scoundrels?


>  [I was speaking rhetoriacally and nor making the bugle call of Joshua
>  for attack. You are the one constantly showing aggressiveness. You must
>  have bad associations.]

	You have made various statements including promoting a 
"POGROM" and referring to giving someone a "mouthful of bloody chiclets."  
Violence seems to be a weapon you want to use against Jews.

>  > Try me.  Please.

>  [I am really not that type of guy and John Ciao will verify that.]

	Typical nazi bully.  Talks tough until someone takes him up on it.

	--YFE


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>   "Netcroozer"  writes:

  
>  Doc Benway <10@11.12> wrote in article 
<32c038f5.13420264@news.gte.net>...
>  > 	There is no question that Israel sold the information to the Soviet
>  > Union.  That is what friends are for. That is why Pollard needs rot in
>  > prison for the rest of his life.  
  
>  When was the evidence of the sale presented, at Pollard's trial (I do not
>  defend him) 
>  or from military officers after the USSR breakup? Considering the relations
>  between 
>  the USSR and Israel at the time, I wonder how much stock the Russians 
would
>  put in 
>  anything Israel sold them. 

	It wasn't.  Nor was there any evidence presented that it was sold to the 
Soviets.  In fact, the information that Pollard passed to the Israelis was presented 
in camera (i.e. secretly) to the judge.  The defense never saw it.  It is under court 
seal and has never been made public.

	The criminal Giwer is either making up his charges (likely), is relying 
upon information from one of his nutcase correspondents (possible), or is 
participating in a criminal enterprise.

	--YFE


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>   kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:
>  On 23 Dec 1996 04:24:46 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>  >>   kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:
>  >>  On 18 Dec 1996 19:10:18 -0500, mstein@access5.digex.net (Michael P.
>  >>  Stein) wrote:

>  >>  >    Wrong again.  The voice was identified by a listener, and there were
>  >>  >notes for the speech in Himmler's handwriting, and we have other
>  >>  >confirmation that he gave a speech that day.  So there are some positive
>  >>  >reasons to think the tape is real.  You can listen to it yourself if you
>  >>  >have RealAudio capability - check Nizkor.

>  >>  >    But if there is any charge of forgery, the claimant bears the burden
>  >>  >of bringing forward evidence that there was such forgery.  Remember, the
>  >>  >tapes were found by Americans, not Soviets.

>  >>  >    Still, if you're so sure the tapes are doctored, why aren't you
>  >>  >jumping at the chance to both embarrass Nizkor and make all of us take a
>  >>  >collective $2,000 bath?  The offer is still on the table.  Or are you not
>  >>  >as sure as you would like people to think?
  
>  >>  There exists no reason to disprove a tape untested for doctoring and
>  >>  genuineness and consequently worthless.   

>  >	Wrong again, "Stele."

>  >	The standards for the admission of a tape recording into evidence can 
>  >be found in U.S. v. Starks 515 F.2d 112 (3rd Circuit; 1975).  According to that 
>  >case the identity of the speaker may be established through the testimony of a 
>  >witness who recognizes the voice on the tape.  (Commonwealth v. Johnson 
450 
>  >Pa. 575, 301 A.2d 632, 634 (1973)  There is, as anybody can see from 
reading 
>  >those cases, no reason exists for a proponent to test "For doctoring."  That 
>  >burden lies on the person challenging the evidence.

>  >	Once more we discover that the little dog Stele has made the mistake 
>  >of believing his master's voice (good doggie).   Does he ever get tired of 
making a 
>  >fool of himself?

>  
>  When are you going to test the tape Yalie-poo to see if you can
>  convert a recording that is currently worthless into something that is
>  merely inconsequential? 

	Sorry.  The tape is admissible into evidence as is.

	If you think otherwise then prove it.  You have been given the 
opportunity yet decline.

	--YFE


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>   10@11.12 the Criminal Giwer writes:
>  On 24 Dec 1996 05:14:53 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>  >>  On 23 Dec 1996 02:28:54 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>  >>  >	Apparently I read somewhat better than you.  For the first five days the 
>  >>  >water was trucked to the camp in water "carts."  This does not mean that 
>  >the 
>  >>  >water did not come from the local area.  In fact, it would seem tol indicate 
>  >that it 
>  >>  >was.

>  >>  >>  A week later, water was pumped it. However, it did need to
>  >>  >>  be filtered.

>  >>  >	This is an invention on your part (actually the criminal Giwer invented it 
>  >>  >and you adopted it).  Moreover since the testimony was that the equipment 
>  >>  >found at the camp was used to obtain water from the river any "filters" that 
>  >were 
>  >>  >used were available to the murderer Kramer.

>  >>  >	As far as the pollutants you describe are concerned, boiling is all that 
>  >>  >is needed.  Or are you now going to tell us that there was chemical waste 
in 
>  >the 
>  >>  >water that suddenly disappeared when the pumping started?  Perhaps you 
>  >>  >would be good enough to tell us what kind of "filters" could be effective 
>  >against 
>  >>  >such pollutants and how the locals (who were using water from the river) 
>  >>  >acquired their immunity.

>  >	To which the Criminal Giwer responded:

>  >>  	Da widdle intimidate ethnic wears its ugwy head and cwys it will be
>  >>  a wampshade.  

>  >>  Revisionists are sneaky bastards, always relying on facts and figures.

>  >	Based on these writings one of two things is true:

>  >	1.  the Criminal Giwer's foul outburst contains facts and figures

>  >	2.  The Criminal Giwer is a liar.

>  >	Anybody who believes #1 is invited to come forward and publically 
>  >demonstrate their stupidity.

>  	Da widdle intimidated etnic whines again.  AHHHHHHH!
  
>  	everyone feel sorrry for it.  	

	As I have written before when the Criminal Giwer makes a claim like this 
you can be very sure that he is really writing about himself.  It was true when he 
was fraudulently claiming that hsi family wsa being harassed.  It turned out that the 
criminal Giwer was at the same time criminally harassing others.  It ws true when 
the criminal Giwer babbled about his ISPs being "harassed."  It turned out that the 
criminal Giwer was anonymusly sending hate mail to other ISPs.

	It's true again.

	Gte.com had a talk with the criminal Giwer in which such legal concepts 
as "exemplary damages" and "hold harmless" clauses were discussed.  Alert 
readers will have noticed that since that time the criminal Giwer has altered his 
style to eliminate the actionable material and has resorted to infantile baby talk, 
stamping his feet like a six year old who wants a cookie.

	Unfortunately (as the criminal Giwer would tell his friends if he was being 
honest with them) it is a case of too little, too late.

	Sorry, criminal one, you should have heeded gte.com advice when they 
had you change the contents of your home page.

	--YFE


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>   the criminal Giwer writes:
>  On 25 Dec 1996 01:18:44 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>  >>  >>   the Criminal Giwer gives a sample of his lack of rational thought:
>  >>  >>  On 23 Dec 1996 05:10:11 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) 
wrote:

>  >>  >>  >	I have the relevant pages of Clay's autobiography in front of 
me. (Page 
>  >>  >>  >254)  He makes no such statement complaining only: "Perhaps I erred 
in 
>  >>  >judgment 
>  >>  >>  >[in commuting Koch's sentence] but no one can share the responsibility 
of 
>  >a 
>  >>  >>  >reviewing officer.  Later the Senate committee which unanimously 
criticized 
>  >this 
>  >>  >>  >action heard witnesses who gave testimony not contained in the record 
>  >before 
>  >>  >me. 
>  >>  >>  > I could only take action on that record."

>  >>  >	To which the criminal Giwer decided to take time out from anonymusly 
>  >>  >harassing strangers:
 
>  >>  >>  	Poor widdle intimidated ethnic speaks up when he hopes his 
mother
>  >>  >>  is protecting him.  
>  >
>  >>  >	And then makes the laughable statement:  
>  >
>  >>  >>  Revisionists are sneaky bastards, always relying on facts and figures.
>  >
>  >>  >	Perhaps the criminal Giwer will tell us what "facts" he relied upon for this.
>  >
>  >>  >	Perhaps he had better figure something out quickly.  Juries don't like it 
>  >>  >when you lie, Matty poo.
>  >  
>  >>  	Po widdle intimidate etnic.  Everybody say AHHHHHHHHH!  	





>  >	Is that what you are going to tell the jury?
  



>  	That you have no dick.  

	Please do.  I'm sure that will impress them when they consider exemplary 
damages.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Fri Dec 27 11:38:08 PST 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Mr. Giwer's mailbomb
Date: 23 Dec 1996 14:37:52 GMT
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>   the criminal Giwer writes:
>  On 23 Dec 1996 03:39:16 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>  >	Actually netcom did *not* terminate the criminal Giwer, they only 
>  >"suspended" his service because of his actions.  He could have been 
reinstated 
>  >if he had met their conditions.  One of those conditions was, I wsa informed, a 
>  >public apology to Nizkor for mailbombing them and a written promise nt to do it 
>  >again.  The criminal Giwer decided to take his business elsewhere.
  
>  	It is good to see de poor widdle intimidated ethnic is still lying
>  like a righteous kike should.  No rational person could consider
>  Nizkor's request for the material to be mailbombing.  And of course
>  NETCOM never said this.  But self-anointed widdle lying intimidated
>  ethnic will continue to spread his kike lies.  

	Apparently netcom do not qualify in the criminal Giwer's mind as 
"rational people." 

  
>  >	You amy also be assured that when the criminal Giwer is complaining 
>  >about someone else, it usually indicates that he is doing it himself.  There are 
>  >many examples of this.  When the criminal Giwer was threatening extra-legal 
>  >"unspecified penalties"  against Nizkor because of a phone call to his father 
>  >asking the whereabouts of the criminal Giwer, the criminal Giwer was 
harassing 
>  >me and my family.  
  

>  >	The criminal Giwer now complains about gte being "harassed."  He 
>  >does not state that he has been harassing providers.  I received an e-mail 
today 
>  >from Larry Corsa at enter.net which stated:

  
>  >	 "This fellow is harassing us by sending multiple emails complaining 
>  >about someone.

>  >	"Anything we can do about this?"  
  
>  	Make a lampshade of the intimidated ethnic?  

>  	Da poor widdle lying bastard kike is so intimidated it keeps on
>  lying.  
  
>  	What a piece of kikedom.  

	Anybody interested in proving the criminal Giwer's harassment and that 
his denial is pure prevarication to themselves may check with lcorsa@enter.net.  
Enter.net has also complained to gte.net.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Fri Dec 27 11:38:09 PST 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: The Criminal Giwer Displays His Ignorance
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>   nizkook@central.com (Caine) writes:
>  On 23 Dec 1996 04:24:46 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>  >	The standards for the admission of a tape recording into evidence can 
>  >be found in U.S. v. Starks 515 F.2d 112 (3rd Circuit; 1975).  According to that 
>  >case the identity of the speaker may be established through the testimony of a 
>  >witness who recognizes the voice on the tape.  (Commonwealth v. Johnson 450 
>  >Pa. 575, 301 A.2d 632, 634 (1973)  There is, as anybody can see from reading 
>  >those cases, no reason exists for a proponent to test "For doctoring."  That 
>  >burden lies on the person challenging the evidence.

>  	The intimidated ethnic plays his stupid legal games again.  

	You mean I cited the law instead of making it up. 
  
>  	Real question, Intimidated, what was the probable cause upon which
>  was based the search warrant that siezed this tape in the first place?
>  Who issued the warrant?  Who requested the warrant?  

	Who needed a warrant?

	Please give me a single legal cite (your fertile imagination does not count) 
that states that one would be needed.	

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: For Doc Tavish--Kramer III
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>   tutu101@aol.com (Tutu101) writes:
  
>  	I will wager that you never read a book on emergency health 
>  measures.  *All* bacteria can be killed by boiling water.
  
>  	Now you are giwering us with fake "science."

>  Yale. you are going to bite the big one with that remark...all bacteria 
>  can NOT be killed by boiling.


	Nonsense.  Utter, compelte nonsense.

>  I have posted a reference for this in the
>  past, but here is a new one for you

	You have never posted such a "reference" in the past.

...Don't claim a month from now that
>  you never saw it.  I will also email it to you.  From:  The Book of
>  Survival--Anthony Greenbank:

>  Treat all water as if polluted.  Crystal-clear water could be
>  contaminated.  Tap water polluted.  Mountain stream running from a high
>  village or over a dead sheep.
>  Risks of cholera, thyphoid, dysentery, or schistosomiasis too
>  great....Various methods to purify water....So...to purify:
  
>  Strain all water through a cloth or folded hankerchief to suspend grit,
>  gravel, dust, sand,...

	As the author clearly states.  This is not an anti-bacterial method.
  
>  Boil hard for at least a minute  (longer preferably)

	Bingo.

  
>  Add five drops of iodineto 2 pints of water or 10 drops to sterilize
>  cloudy water
  
>  Let stand for thirty minutes.  Sterilize mouth of container with drop of
>  water and wait a little bit longer.

	This has nothing to do with killing bacterai as the second part of the 
sentence notes.
  
>  Pinch of salt can improve taste...


	As the author states, not an anti-bacterial method.  

>  Water purifying tablets...

	This says nothing.


>  Now, do you still insist those folks, already serious weakened by
>  disease...typhus and dysentery....drank to their heart's content from the
>  river without anything being done to filter and purify it?

	Absolutely. In fact, had you even bothered to ask a phsyician the process 
to deal with these two dehydrates diseases is not just to let people drink "to their 
heart's content" but to "force" fluids.

	Please note as well that you citation fails to support you.  The *only* 
method he recommends that will kill bacteria is "boiling."  Oddly enough it is the 
method that is used in every laboratory dealing with bacteria.  Look up a reference 
for "autoclave."

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Fri Dec 27 13:25:16 PST 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect) writes:

>  Nice to see Mr. Giwer's penchant for name-calling isn't dulled by the
>  holiday season.
   
>  By the way, what has Revenue Canada told you about Nizkor, Mr. Giwer?

	Or, for that matter, what gte.net has told him about the "hold harmless" 
clause in their user agreement.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Sat Dec 28 09:14:04 PST 1996
Article: 89335 of alt.revisionism
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: LEADING REVISIONIST SCHOLAR (TM) (Re: For Doc Tavish--Kramer III)
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>   the Criminal Giwer backtacks again:
>  On 25 Dec 1996 02:20:06 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>  >>   10@11.12 the Criminal Giwer's Reading Comprehension Fails again:
>  >>  On Tue, 24 Dec 1996 12:25:57 GMT, dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
>  >>  wrote:
  
>  >>  	Actually it is about a kike shyster who has stated that he is an
>  >>  intimidated ethnic.  Those were its words, not mine.  

>  >	Actually it is about the criminal Giwer whose misdemeanor was bumped a 
>  >grade because of a statute entitled "Ethnic Intimidation."
  
>  	There is also a crime called murder.  There is no crime unless
>  there is a murder.  There is no crime of ethnic intimidation unless
>  there is an intimidated ethnic.  

	Bzzzt.  Wrong. read the statute.  First actual intimidation need not be 
shown.  Second, it is not a crime per se but only an enhancement of penalty.

  
>  >	The criminal Giwer will be asked to provide the jury with an actual 
>  >reference that states what he claims it states.
  
>  	The lying kike shyster will have to prove it is both an ethnic and
>  was intimidated.  Its testimony as to it being intimidated by
>  phosphors on a monitor will be most amusing and posted here for all to
>  read.  

	No.  All I will have to prove are the elements of the statute.  It was 
posted and is very clear.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Mr. Giwer's mailbomb
Date: 28 Dec 1996 00:40:43 GMT
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>   the Criminal Giwer writes:
>  On 25 Dec 1996 03:08:02 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>  	Da po intimidated ethnic is gonna have a jury.  Dumb widda kike is
>  gonne file a compwaint?  Of course not.  It is too intimidated to file
>  a complaint.  

	The Criminal Giwer knows differently.  Why is he afraid to tell his 
cohorts what is going on?

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: a normal fair trial
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>   kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:
>  On 26 Dec 1996 03:59:33 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>  >>   the Criminal Giwer writes:

>  >>  PRESIDENT: Why did you have no opportunity to cross examine him?
  
>  >>  DR SEIDL: Because I did not know beforehand that he would be called 
by
>  >>  the Prosecution as a witness and had no opportunity to speak to the
>  >>  Defendant Frank about the questions which might have been put to the
>  >>  witness.

>  >>  DR SEIDL: May I perhaps add something to this point?  The difficulty
>  >>  of cross examination is just this, that we do not learn of the
>  >>  intended calling of a witness by the Prosecution until the witness is
>  >>  led into the courtroom, and we do not know the subject of the evidence
>  >>  until the Prosecution start to examine the witness.

>  >>  Just like in any regular trial.
>  >>  Source: IMT, VIII, p. 521

>  >	Yes.  The defense attorney made an objection.

>  >	No ruling of the Court is reported.

>  >	No argument by the Prosecution is reported.

>  >	All the criminal Giwer presents is the fact that a defense attorney 
made 
>  >some sort of objection.

>  >	The criminal Giwer apparently believes that the fact that a defense 
>  >attorney makes an objection is proof that no fair trial was had.


>  Yalie-poo the shyster in true form defends the Nuremberg Court as a
>  "fair trial in all aspects" even where the Prosecution calls witnesses
>  without the defense knowing beforehand, a Perry Mason tactic.

	Sorry asshole but:

	1.  The comment from the prosecutor is snipped.  He could very well 
have risen and waved a paper showing that notice had been given;

	2.  The ruling of the judg is snipped.  The court could have sustained 
the objection;

	3.  The witness is unidentified.  If he was called to address an issue 
raised at trial no notice is required.

	4.  Since you and the criminal Giwer -- apparently relying on your 
fantasies think that this does not happen in a "real" trial explain this excerpt 
>from  the trial of Cope v. Butschek (92-C-797; Court of Common Pleas of Lehigh 
County) held before the Hon. James Knoll Gardner 25 October 1995:

	"MR. PULCINI:  Your Honor, I would like to object to the witness 
being called.  Mr. Schaeffer is listed nowhere on any pre-trials, and there is no 
notice that Mr. Schaeffer would be called.

	"Defense counsel indicated yesterday that he was calling one 
witness.  There has been no amended pre-trial.  Mr. Schaeffer's name has 
never been involved in this case, and we would have no notice in any form 
whatsoever of this witness being called to testify."

	[discussion between the Court and counsel at which Tom Lonardo, 
the defense counsel, admitted that Schaffer had not been named.  You will 
note that the criminal Giwer and his like dog Stele -- say "arf" Kurtsie -- do not 
claim that this happened in their excerpt.]

	"THE COURT:  All right.  Okay.  The objection is overruled.

	"We believe that an issue has been mad eoer who owned the place. 
 We don't think there is any real dispute in this lawsuit over who owned the 
place.

	"However, a whole lot of ruffles and flourishes have been made over 
who owns this place, and we will aloow a brief witness who, albeit was not 
identified and should have been, because we beleive the plaintiff is not 
prejudiced by allowing this witness to testify.  So we are going to allow you to 
call him."

	[Note that the Criminal Giwer and his pet did not bother to post the 
ruling of the court.]

	By the way, Arf, have you figured out what cross-examination is yet?  
I note that the Criminal Giwer has not.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: For Doc Tavish--Kramer III
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>   the criminal Giwer Admits He is Lying:
>  On 28 Dec 1996 00:07:44 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>  
>  >>   the criminal Giwer obsfuscates:
  
>  	Kike-mouth posts again.  

	Yes, he does.  And proves you a fool and liar.

>  >>  	Then is it your considered opinion that all methods of canning
>  >>  including home canning cease to use the pressure method and merely 
use
>  >>  boiling water?  Please be specific in your answer as the requirement
>  >>  for pressurized cooking has been known since the Napoleanic Wars and
>  >>  before Pasteur was born.  

>  >	No, it is, most probably his opinion that you are a lying jerk.  That is, 
>  >most simply put, because you are a lying jerk.
  
>  	Good kike-speak there.  Nothing else is expected from a kike.  

	But true.  Aparently what you expect is truth.  Does it make you 
uncomfortable?  Then wait for the cross-examination.

  
>  >	The "Ball Blue Book"  (1995 edtion) states that bacteria are killed at a 
>  >temperature of 180 degrees F.  (page 4) but that bacterial *spores* are not 
killed 
>  >until 240 degrees.  Since the question is for water to be used immediately 
killing 
>  >the spores is irrelevant.  Moreover pressure canning is needed *only* for low 
acid 
>  >foods; immersion in boiling water is sufficient for acid foods (page 4).

>  >	None of this is relevant.  The question is purification of drinking water. 
 
>  >A topic that, seemingly, you know as little about as you do home canning.

>  >>  	You folks can not be as ignorant as you pretend.  That is a truly
>  >>  frightening thought.  

>  >	The more frightening thought is that you might be as dishonest as you 
>  >seem.
  
>  	Right on, po widdle intimidated ethnic kike.  Save kike is not an
>  ethnic group.  

	Read (I know the word "read" is foreign to your nature, but try) the 
statute.

	The insanity defense won't work, Matty poo.


	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: The Giwer Criminal is Caught Again
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>   the criminal Giwer writes:
>  On 25 Dec 1996 04:17:04 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>  >	Apparently you believe the criminal Giwer.

>  >	Hint: Ask him about his recent telephone conversation with gte.net.
  
>  	Why don't you tell me about them?  Please be specitic you lying
>  kike.  

	Why don't you remember what they told you?

  
>  	But then, you ADMIT you did not file any charges but rather told
>  you lies to GTE.  That is what we have all said, you are kowardly
>  kike.  

	Giwer you are so stupid it's almost too easy.

	Keep lying, old boy.  And treasure those moments you have left with 
gte.net.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Turnabout is fair play?
Date: 28 Dec 1996 07:29:31 GMT
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>   John.Morris@UAlberta.CA (John Morris) answered the Criminal Giwer's lie:

>  >	You mean what kikes started and what kikes continue and then
>  >complain and whine and harrass when it is returned to them?  You mean
>  >those kikes?  
  
>  I have no idea what you are talking about. I hope you are not denying
>  that you have published other people's home phones and addresses since
>  that assertion would be a lie.

	Apaprently you don't understand the standard techn ique of the Criminal 
Giwer.  Simply put he pulls some outrageous tactic (such as sending anonymus 
hate mail to an ISP and then claiming that others are harassing his ISP).  If your 
memory is good you might also remember that he appended a note stating that he 
was doing so that other could use it "for whatever purpose whatsoever" or words 
to that effect.


  
>  Now if "kikes" published your home phone and address at some mystical
>  time in the past before you ever did it, I wouldn't know. But if you
>  took up the practise in response, you are no better, nor different
>  from, whoever it is you are complaining about.
  
>  As to this term "kike," I no longer have the least notion of what you
>  mean by it. It is generally used as a derogatory name for a Jew, but
>  you seem to have assigned it a private meaning much as you did with
>  the phrase "doing revisionism."
  
>  No one can possibly know what yout words mean anymore. While you may
>  appear to be an antisemite, it may rather be the case that you are
>  simply incoherent.

	I think he might be building an insanity defense.  The "kike" nonsense 
started after a phone call he received from his ISP.
  
>  >	Kikes never debate.  So what is your point?  



  
>  Again, since I cannot understand your private definitions of words, I
>  cannot tell if there is any truth value in the statement "kikes never
>  debate." But my point was that David Thomas is often on about how he
>  doesn't debate, only that he promotes debate; I, for one, cannot see
>  how debate is promoted by double standards and hypocrisy.
  




>  If we are going to condemn the practise of posting other people's
>  private home phones and addresses, then it must be condemned when
>  anyone does it whether the posting was done by Matt Giwer or by Sara
>  Schwartz. Thomas is one-sided in his condemnations of a range of
>  practises.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Sat Dec 28 09:14:09 PST 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Paranoiac Rage (was: Re: Christ Killers! (was Re: Laughter is the Best Medicine)
Date: 28 Dec 1996 07:13:32 GMT
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>   the criminal Giwer displays his ignorance:
>  On 25 Dec 1996 03:50:09 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>  >	It wasn't.  Nor was there any evidence presented that it was sold to the 
>  >Soviets.  In fact, the information that Pollard passed to the Israelis was presented 
>  >in camera (i.e. secretly) to the judge.  The defense never saw it.  It is under court 
>  >seal and has never been made public.
  
>  	Lets see.  It was not presented at the trial but was presented to
>  the judge of his trial.  An odd position you are talking.  

	You're lying again, criminal one.  You altered "to the judge" to "to the judge 
of his trial."  He pleaded guilty, hence there was no trial.  A judge still had to 
*sentence* him after the guilty plea.  The judge does this by gathering information 
and/or taking testimony.  Furthermore, in federal court the judge is not obligated to 
accept either the sentence proposed or the guilty plea itself.  That's the way the 
system works.
  
>  	As to Israel selling it to the Soviets, that would have no bearing
>  upon his trial.  Espionage damage is done by compromise, period.  Who
>  it was compromised to or what they did with it has no bearing upon the
>  compromise.  

	The nature of what he stole and what was done with certainly has a 
bearing upon his sentence.

  
>  >	The criminal Giwer is either making up his charges (likely), is relying 
>  >upon information from one of his nutcase correspondents (possible), or is 
>  >participating in a criminal enterprise.
  
>  	The initimidated lying ethnic is playing his shit kike games again.

	You mean proving that you are an ignorant liar?

	Tell us about what was revealed at Pollard's trial again.

	--YFE


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Article: 89421 of alt.revisionism
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re:The Criminal Giwer Still Can't Read
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>   the lying scum a/k/a the Criminal Giwer makes a fool of himself:
>  On 28 Dec 1996 00:35:25 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>  >>  >>   10@11.12 the Criminal Giwer's Reading Comprehension Fails again:
  
>  >>  	There is also a crime called murder.  There is no crime unless
>  >>  there is a murder.  There is no crime of ethnic intimidation unless
>  >>  there is an intimidated ethnic.  

>  >	Bzzzt.  Wrong. read the statute.  First actual intimidation need not be 
>  >shown.  Second, it is not a crime per se but only an enhancement of penalty.
  
>  	Da po widda etnic now claims there can be a crime without a crime.
>  Wadda lyin kike shyster.  

	Your babblinmg again, o criminal one.
    
>  >>  >	The criminal Giwer will be asked to provide the jury with an actual 
>  >>  >reference that states what he claims it states.
 
>  >>  	The lying kike shyster will have to prove it is both an ethnic and
>  >>  was intimidated.  Its testimony as to it being intimidated by
>  >>  phosphors on a monitor will be most amusing and posted here for all to
>  >>  read.  

>  >	No.  All I will have to prove are the elements of the statute.  It was 
>  >posted and is very clear.
> 
>  	Po widdle intimidated etnic.  Who is it whining to now?  Not the
>  police, not the prosecutor.  If he did that he would be liable to
>  charges of perjury.  So it makes hundreds of calls to ISPs harrassing
>  them to do its widdle kike will.  

	You are.  You are lying as well.

  
>  	Wadda kike.  Just like them all.  Liars to their kike core.  

	Wadda liar.  I can't wait until you explain this post under oath.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Sat Dec 28 09:14:10 PST 1996
Article: 89500 of alt.revisionism
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: The Criminal Giwer in Intimidated
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>   the Criminal Giwer blusters:
>  On 25 Dec 1996 04:10:36 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>  >>  >>  Revisionists are sneaky bastards, always relying on facts and 
figures.

>  >>  >	Based on these writings one of two things is true:

>  >>  >	1.  the Criminal Giwer's foul outburst contains facts and figures

>  >>  >	2.  The Criminal Giwer is a liar.

>  >>  >	Anybody who believes #1 is invited to come forward and publically 
>  >>  >demonstrate their stupidity.

>  >	As I have written before when the Criminal Giwer makes a claim like 
this 
>  >you can be very sure that he is really writing about himself.  It was true 
when he 
>  >was fraudulently claiming that hsi family wsa being harassed.  It turned out 
that the 
>  >criminal Giwer was at the same time criminally harassing others.  It ws true 
when 
>  >the criminal Giwer babbled about his ISPs being "harassed."  It turned out 
that the 
>  >criminal Giwer was anonymusly sending hate mail to other ISPs.

>  >	It's true again.

>  >	Gte.com had a talk with the criminal Giwer
  
>  	When was that?  

	You should know.
  
>  	Get used to it.  They were humoring you.  You were pet on the head
>  by an entry level type.  

	
  
>  	They took you for what you are worth, nothing.  


	Is that why you changed your homepage at their orders?
  
>   in which such legal concepts 
>  >as "exemplary damages" and "hold harmless" clauses were discussed.  
Alert 
>  >readers will have noticed that since that time the criminal Giwer has altered 
his 
>  >style to eliminate the actionable material and has resorted to infantile baby 
talk, 
>  >stamping his feet like a six year old who wants a cookie.
 
>  	The lying kike shyster needs to learn where left field is so that
>  he can get back to it.  It is raving in its own fantasy land.  

	Right, Matty poo.  Haven't you told your handlers yet?
  
>  >	Unfortunately (as the criminal Giwer would tell his friends if he was 
being 
>  >honest with them) it is a case of too little, too late.
>  
>  >	Sorry, criminal one, you should have heeded gte.com advice when 
they 
>  >had you change the contents of your home page.
  
>  	Last time I looked it had not changed.  

	Sure, Matty poo.

	--YFE


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Article: 89515 of alt.revisionism
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Correcting Giwer's and Blackmore's scientific ignorance
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>   fafner13@aol.com (Fafner13) writes:
>  	blackmore then tries to quote another source which disagrees with 
>  him:

>  >  FIELD WATER SUPPLIES    

>  >  METHODS OF PURIFICATION
  
>  >  CHLORINATION---Chlorination is the method of choice and may be carried 
>  out
>  >  in the water sterilizing bag, in water carts, in small reservoirs, or
>  by
>  >  the mobile purification units operated by the Corps of Engineers.

>  	The relevance is not shown.  Boiling water has the same effect.

>  Comment: 
 	Let us count the lies:



>  This is finally what yale Edeikin has to counter after he read
>  the field manual published by the US Army.

	Lie 1:  which is irrelevant.  The manual talks about the "preferred" 
method.  It says nothing about boiling water being ineffective.


>  Well, what else could you
>  expect from a man who would have given water to dying patients which had
>  corpses and turds floating in it.

	Lie 2:  There were two sources of water.  The water from the cisterns 
was polluted and no efforts were made to make it potable.  As I noted "First you 
remove the corpses."  Source 2 was the river which contained potable water.


>  River water would have been like Evian
>  compared to that

	Lie 3: the river water was potable.  It was used by (a) British soldiers 
(b) prisoners (c) camp guards (4) the local town without ill effect.

>--and let's not forget that Yale informed the newsgroup
>  that he would have no problem drinking water with a big old cheesy turd in
>  it---so long as he boiled it first.

	Lie 4:  A condition which "blackmore" omits was made.  If I was dying 
of thirst I certainly would.  So would "blackmore."  Under those conditions he 
would be lapping it up and comparing it to champagne.

	At this point one thing is clear.  Even though"blackmore" is not very 
good at lying, it is all he has left.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Edeiken is distorting things again
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>   fafner13@aol.com (Fafner13) writes:
>  In article <59189r$per@news.enter.net>, Yale F. Edeiken wrote:

>  >       I have your own admissions that:

>  >       1.  Your name is not Danish but German;
>  Ole Kreiberg  http://login.dknet.dk/~olk
  
>  I don't know why you bother to respond to all of this--he is trying to put
>  you on the defensive.

	He does becasue he can't answer a straight question.  When I gave a 
post of nazi boy's to a Dane I know to get her take on it, she laughed and told me 
that the name was German.

	When asked about it he has told several conflicting stories and some 
absolute nonsense.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Sat Dec 28 10:46:43 PST 1996
Article: 89554 of alt.revisionism
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: The Criminal Giwer Starts to See the Light
Date: 28 Dec 1996 06:27:35 GMT
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>   the Criminal Giwer fools himself:
>  On 25 Dec 1996 02:08:35 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>  >	The Criminal Giwer having criminally harassed me and my family and 
>  >lied about consistently, asks for "forgiveness."

>  >	Sorry, criminal, when has there even been an apology.
  		
>  	Still harrassing GTE?

	No.  I'm still putting them on notice of your criminal activities and your 
activities and your violations of the user agreement you signed with them.

	Are you still sending anonymus hate mail to enter.net.
  	
>  	When are they going to contact me?  
  
>  	I really do want to have that conversation.  

	No.  You don't.  You are just fooling yourself.


	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Sat Dec 28 11:56:26 PST 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Correcting Giwer's and Blackmore's scientific ignorance
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>   tutu101@aol.com (Tutu101) writes:

>  >>    So please tell us, what reason did Kramer have to think that the
>  river
>  >>was polluted with such bacteria? 
  
>  Object.  Calls for speculation.  How would I know what Kramer was
>  thinking?-rb

	Yet you have repeated again and again that Kramer *thought* the 
river was polluted.


  
>      There is an ambiguity here which I should point out - the issue is (or
>  should be) whether there are strains of dangerous bacteria which are
>  completely immune to boiling.  As I shall explain below, the issue of
>  whether each and every cell is guaranteed to be killed by boiling (i.e.,
>  total sterilization is achieved) is an irrelevant red herring.--MS?

>  >>>Water Purifying

>  >>>Treat all water as if polluted.  Crystal-clear water could be
>  >>>contaminated.  Tap water polluted.  Mountain stream running from a high
>  >>>village or over a dead sheep.
>  >>>Risks of cholera, thyphoid, dysentery, or schistosomiasis too
>  >>>great....Various methods to purify water....So...to purify:

>  >>    Would you please explain, in your own words, what you think "Various
>  >>methods to purify water" means?

	blackmore has no answer.

>  >>>Strain all water through a cloth or folded hankerchief to suspend grit,
>  >>>gravel, dust, sand,...

>  >>    Please tell us how this kills bacteria. 

>  >	Why would only a holohugger be dumd enough to read the purpose 
for
>  >doing it and then ask what his has to do with killing bacteria?--MG
  
>      Why would only a "revisionist" have so little literacy that he cannot
>  understand the irony and the purpose behind the question?  Blackmore
>  focused on bacteria.  He did not establish that there was significant
>  particulate matter in the river needing filtering in the first place.--MS
  
>  Er--I focused on all the aspects involved.  Bacteria was important due to
>  the weakened immune systems of many camp inmates.--rb

	Exactly.  You boil the damned water.	


>  >But
>  >perhaps you know better than you prentend and realiaze that bacteria
>  >might survive the chemical process if in the crevice of suspended
>  >particulates?  

	What *chemimal process.*  Heat kills bacteria.  You boil the damned 
water.



	
>  >>    Please also produce evidence to demonstrate why Kramer and his
>  staff,
>  >>using any healthy prisoners if need be (since you have claimed that such
>  >>were available), could not have implemented this measure.MS
  
>  This is not necessary.  Kramer had a calamity on his hands and it is easy
>  for you to talk today about what he could and could not or should and
>  should not have done.  Kramer's decision-and it was the right one--was to
>  arrange for the surrender of the camp ASAP to the allies.--rb

	That's easy.  He should have supplied the prisoners under his care 
with food and water.

>      As everyone also knows, you merely assert this.  Is it really your
>  claim that Kramer could not possibly have found a bit of clean cloth
>  somewhere, or found someplace to wash a dirty one, if he had only exerted
>  himself a little more?  He himself was wearing filthy rags?  Note that
>  cloth is mentioned in addition to handkerchiefs.  But you are illiterate,
>  so perhaps you did not notice this.  And you are dishonest, so perhaps you
>  noticed this but did not mention it.--MS
  
>  It would have taken more than a bit of clean cloth to deal with that mess.
>   I suppose you think Kramer was "dressed to kill"?  As a matter of fact,
>  his appearance did not  seem to be much better than some of the prisoners.

	Yes.  He would have had to have boiled the damned water.  He 
didn't.

>  >>>Boil hard for at least a minute  (longer preferably)
>  >>
>  >>    Please tell us why, if this is so totally useless due to the
>  existence
>  >>of bacteria which can survive boiling, the book bothers to list it. 
  
>  Fact is, the book lists these many methods of purification to be used
>  jointly, in order for them to be effective.--RB

	Fact is, you are lying again.  Only two methods for killing the bacteria 
were described.  Boiling and chemical.  There was no indication that they are 
to be used "jointly."

  
>  COMMENT:  We are talking about two different situations.  What do you 
know
>  of the river from where the water was allegedly taken?  Why don't we start
>  with that, first?--RB

	Fine.  What we know is that the locals used the water.  What we 
know is that the British pumped water directly into the camp.  What we know is 
that the water was potable.  If you think differently the onus is upon you to 
demonstrate it.  So far all you have done is lied and giwered us with bad 
science.

	blackmore then tries to quote another source which disagrees with 
him:
  
>  FIELD WATER SUPPLIES
  

>  METHODS OF PURIFICATION
>  
>  CHLORINATION---Chlorination is the method of choice and may be carried 
out
>  in the water sterilizing bag, in water carts, in small reservoirs, or by
>  the mobile purification units operated by the Corps of Engineers.
  
>  End of Quotes

	The relevance is not shown.  Boiling water has the same effect.

	--YFE





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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Of Course Blackmore Doesn't call folks names
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>   fafner13@aol.com (Fafner13) writes:
>  	I certainly do.  And the criminal Giwer is a criminal.
>  
>  What do you mean by saying that Giwer is a criminal?   
>  
>>>>
	I mean that he has committed criminal acts.  Since you apparently 
haven't bothered to read what is happening perhaps you require some 
enlightenment.

	1.  Growing tired of receiving email containing his virulent anti-Semitic 
raving, I requested that the criminal Giwer cease sending me email and placed 
his ISP on notice of the prohibition.

	2.  The criminal Giwer continued to send email even though 
requested not to do so.

	3.  When asked for a third time to cease sending such unwanted 
email, the criminal Giwer responded "I am tired of your shit.  Fuck off."  The 
clear meaning of that communication is that he would continue to do even 
though requested not to.  This communication meets the definition of "criminal 
harassment."  This is, under the law in Pennsylvania (the relevant jurisdiction) a 
misdemeanor of the third degree.  A crime.

	4.  To demostrate the meaning of his post, the criminal Giwer, a few 
days later, sent me another email addressed to "the jerkoff jew" including one of 
his anti-Semitic rants.  This, under the law of Pennsylvani (the relevant 
jurisdiction) meets the definition of "ethnic harassment" (both statutes have 
been posted).  As such his criminal harassment has become a misdemeanor of 
the second degree.

	5.  As a result of this harassment (and other improprieties including 
mailbombing Nizkor) his account was terminated.

	6.  When the criminal Giwer found a new ISP both he and his new 
ISP was put on notice of the prohibition (since the criminal Giwer posted it here, 
he knew of the prohibition).

	7.  The criminal Giwer thereafter repeatd his criminal behavior by 
sending futher email.

	Hope this helps

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Sun Dec 29 02:12:41 PST 1996
Article: 89709 of alt.revisionism
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: The Criminal Giwer Starts to See the Light
Date: 28 Dec 1996 16:33:01 GMT
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>   the criminal Giwer still won't come clean:
>  On 28 Dec 1996 06:27:35 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>  >	No.  I'm still putting them on notice of your criminal activities and your 
>  >activities and your violations of the user agreement you signed with them.

>  >	No.  You don't.  You are just fooling yourself.
  
>  	You are telling them you are such a kowardly kike that you will not
>  risk perjury to file real charges you little shit kike.

	The criminal Giwer still insists that what happened will not happen.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Sun Dec 29 07:33:53 PST 1996
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Subject: Re: Dresden
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>   kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:
>  On Thu, 26 Dec 1996 05:23:20 GMT, Buckaroo@bonsai.organic (Doc 
Savage)
>  wrote:
>  
>  >On 25 Dec 1996 02:13:15 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>  >
>  >>>   kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:
>  >>>  On 24 Dec 1996 04:49:47 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) 
wrote:
>  >>>  >	And your basis for saying that is?

>  >>>  Quit bluffing gutless lying shyster.  You haven't filed a thing and
>  >>>  you know it.

>  >>	Are you really telling me the criminal Giwer hasn't told you?

>  >>	Another sucker heard from.

>  >	You ain'f filed a thing, lying kike shyster.  
  
>  Yale Eideken the criminal kike shyster should be disbarred for his
>  crimes of aiding and abetting criminal fraud.  
  
>  A criminal indeed.

	Sorry,little doggie, but hasn't the criminal Giwer told you yet why he 
changed his tagline?

	BTW: do want the number of the Pa. Attorney Disciplinary Committee? 
 Or are you all mouth?

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Sun Dec 29 07:33:54 PST 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Paranoiac Rage (was: Re: Christ Killers! (was Re: Laughter is the Best Medicine)
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>   premed@itated.ued (Doc Tor) writes:
>  On 28 Dec 1996 07:13:32 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>  >>   the criminal Giwer displays his ignorance:
  
>  	Da widdle intimidated etnic posts again.  


  
>  	The lying piece of kike shit does it again.  

	Note that the criminal Giwer, having been demonstrated a liar has no 
response except calling names.  The jury is going to love this post.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Turnabout is fair play?
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>   schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect) writes:

>  How about some variety from you, Mr. Giwer. The kike-mouth slander is
>  getting rather boring.

	On the other hand, the repeated use does make it impossible for him to 
claim to the jury that he blurted it out in a moment of rage.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: The Giwer Criminal is Caught Again
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>   the Criminal Giwer lies:
>  On 28 Dec 1996 06:32:36 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>  >>  >	Apparently you believe the criminal Giwer.
>  >
>  >>  >	Hint: Ask him about his recent telephone conversation with gte.net.
  
>  >>  	Why don't you tell me about them?  Please be specitic you lying
>  >>  kike.  

>  >	Why don't you remember what they told you?
  
>  	Because you lying kike, I have NEVER talked them.  You lying little
>  ethnic piece of shit.  


	They state that they called you.
>  >	Giwer you are so stupid it's almost too easy.

>  >	Keep lying, old boy.  And treasure those moments you have left with 
>  >gte.net.
  
>  	The little ethnic admits it is scared shitless of filing a real
>  claim of a crime
>  	
>  	What more can we ask of an intimidated ethnic but that it whine and
>  cry and wimper before it is turned into a lampshade.   

	The whining liar here is the criminal Giwer.  Apparently the call from 
GTE spooked him into reading the "hold harmless" clause.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: For Doc Tavish--Kramer III
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>   the criminal Giwer obsfucates:
>  On 24 Dec 1996 13:11:36 GMT, brainh@itsa.ucsf.edu (Brian Harmon)
>  wrote:
  
>  >In article <59mt4d$33r@juliana.sprynet.com>,   
wrote:
>  
>  >> Many harmful bacteria in water may not be
>  >>killed simply by boiling
.
>  >There are few proteins than can survive such treatment,
>  >and no known cells that can. Even proteins that do survive
>  >it are often damaged.
  
>  	Then is it your considered opinion that all methods of canning
>  including home canning cease to use the pressure method and merely use
>  boiling water?  Please be specific in your answer as the requirement
>  for pressurized cooking has been known since the Napoleanic Wars and
>  before Pasteur was born.  

	No, it is, most probably his opinion that you are a lying jerk.  That is, 
most simply put, because you are a lying jerk.

	The "Ball Blue Book"  (1995 edtion) states that bacteria are killed at a 
temperature of 180 degrees F.  (page 4) but that bacterial *spores* are not killed 
until 240 degrees.  Since the question is for water to be used immediately killing 
the spores is irrelevant.  Moreover pressure canning is needed *only* for low acid 
foods; immersion in boiling water is sufficient for acid foods (page 4).

	None of this is relevant.  The question is purification of drinking water.  
A topic that, seemingly, you know as little about as you do home canning.

>  	You folks can not be as ignorant as you pretend.  That is a truly
>  frightening thought.  

	The more frightening thought is that you might be as dishonest as you 
seem.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Sun Dec 29 23:00:36 PST 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Statement Of Restraint: Subject: Matt GiwerStatement Of Restraint: Subject: Matt Giwer
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>   at@dot.dot (The First One) writes:
>  On 29 Dec 1996 04:36:26 GMT, gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) wrote:


	[various scurrilous posts which might or might not have emanated from 
the criminal Giwer or have been instigated by the criminal Giwer snipped]


>  >Matty, are you so hard up you are back to forging posts to yourself?  You
>  >tried it last year and you *lost*.  Are you trying it again, so you can *lose*
>  >again?

>  >What a *loser*.

>  >Gord McFee

>  	Your response, in and of itself, constitutes a further distribution
>  of libelous claims and without the disclaimer includes IBM in it.

	Stop laughing Gord.  It just isn't fair.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Mon Dec 30 10:00:55 PST 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Statement Of Restraint: Subject: Matt GiwerStatement Of Restraint: Subject: Matt Giwer
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>   the Criminal Giwer whines:
>  On 30 Dec 1996 02:52:11 GMT, gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) wrote:

>  >:>	Your response, in and of itself, constitutes a further distribution
>  >:>of libelous claims and without the disclaimer includes IBM in it.

>  >Goodie.  Then complain to IBM and try to get them to fire me.  

>  >I say that you forged the post, Matty.  Prove you didn't.
  
>  	The burden of proof is of course on you.  And yes, there was a
>  report filed with them as your ISP if not employer.  As such you bear
>  equal liability with the kike skum who is spreading it.  

	But did you sign your name to the complaint or was it just anonymus 
harassment as you did with my ISP?

	I can hear McFee laughing from hundreds of miles away.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Correcting Giwer's and Blackmore's scientific ignorance
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>   the criminal Giwer still doesn't know much about science:
>  On 26 Dec 1996 02:43:08 -0500, mstein@access1.digex.net (Michael P.
>  Stein) wrote:

>  >>>>	I will wager that you never read a book on emergency health 
>  >>>>measures.  *All* bacteria can be killed by boiling water.

>  >>>>	Now you are giwering us with fake "science."

>  >>>>	--YFE

>  >>>>Yale. you are going to bite the big one with that remark...all bacteria 
>  >>>>can NOT be killed by boiling.

>  >    You are correct - I was not aware of Pasteur listing any bacteria
>  >which are immune to boiling.  Perhaps you would care to list such material?
>  >You can't?  Why am I not surprised?

>  >    There is an ambiguity here which I should point out - the issue is (or
>  >should be) whether there are strains of dangerous bacteria which are
>  >completely immune to boiling.  As I shall explain below, the issue of
>  >whether each and every cell is guaranteed to be killed by boiling (i.e.,
>  >total sterilization is achieved) is an irrelevant red herring.
  
>  	Yes, it is agreed that holohuggers are unaware that all canning
>  including those cans they buy in the grocery are are cooked under
>  pressure so that the temperature rises to around 240F for
>  sterilization.  


	That is to sterilize the *cans* you ignorant dolt.  Ask ayone who works 
or has worked in a microbiology laboratory.   It has nothing whatsoever to do 
with purifying water.
 
>  	You ignorant fools have not the least idea what you do not know.  

	But we are well aware of what you do not know.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: the Criminal Giwer:  Idiot or Doofus?
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>   another asinine legal opinion from the Criminal Giwer:
>  On 27 Dec 1996 16:29:51 GMT, libwca@larry.cc.emory.edu (william c
>  anderson) wrote:

>  >Kurt Stele (kurtstel@micron.net) wrote:
 
>  >: You miss the point of course.  The state is enforcing Jewish dietary
>  >: laws as such.  The state has specific laws for the enforcement of
>  >: kosher laws.  

>  >It's probably redundant to point out that Brian Smith is lying--but
>  >this is, of course, a lie.  The law he posted stated only that 
>  >manufacturers could not label a product "Kosher" if it was not, in
>  >fact, Kosher.  
  
>  	But then the law is either unenforceable or the state must be in a
>  position to make a formal determination of what constitutes kosher.
>  For example, if it is in accordance with biblical laws then a
>  cheeseburger can be labeled kosher as long as the source of the
>  hamburger is appropriate.  

	Wrong.  All that need be shown is that no Kosher approval was obtained.  
The law concerns the misrepresentation not the fact of being Kosher.

  
>  	It certainly puts the state in a position where to enforce the law
>  it must adopt a legal standard for what is kosher as there is no clear
>  meaning.  As with the cheeseburger example, or in regards to even
>  "smelling" them as in a recent stupid eruption over a MacDonald's, the
>  state would be required to codify kosher in order to act.  

	No.  All it has to do is show that no Kosher approval was obtained.  The 
law concerns the misrepresentation not whether the goods were Kosher or not.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   The Criminal Giwer, knowing the game is up babbles:
>  On 28 Dec 1996 00:40:43 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>  >	The Criminal Giwer knows differently.  Why is he afraid to tell his 
>  >cohorts what is going on?
  
>  	The po widdle intimidated etnic has a new claim, der is sumpthin
>  goin on.  AWWWWWWW.  Look how initimidated it is.  

	As the criminal Giwer well knows.

  
>  	Why not tell the world what is going on?  And make a bigger lying
>  kike shyster of yourself than you have so far?  

	It's too much fun watching you get in deeper and deeper.

  
>  	I know, da po widdle etnic is too intimidated to do so.  

	Why don't you tell them about the frantic telephone calls from gte.net?

	--YFE


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Subject: Re: the Criminal Giwer:  Idiot or Doofus?
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>   premed@itated.ued (Doc Tor) writes:
>  On 28 Dec 1996 00:30:47 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>  >>   another asinine legal opinion from the Criminal Giwer:
  
>  	Look at the silly little intimidated etnic post.  

	And, of course, make a fool of the criminal Giwer.

  
>  >>  	But then the law is either unenforceable or the state must be in a
>  >>  position to make a formal determination of what constitutes kosher.
>  >>  For example, if it is in accordance with biblical laws then a
>  >>  cheeseburger can be labeled kosher as long as the source of the
>  >>  hamburger is appropriate.  

>  >	Wrong.  All that need be shown is that no Kosher approval was obtained.  
>  >The law concerns the misrepresentation not the fact of being Kosher.
  
>  	A law REQUIRING a legally undefined approval?  Sounds great to me.
>  I will sell all the approvals anyone wants.  Anyone can sell them.
>  UNLESS of course the law determines who is qualified to sell such
>  approvals, requiring liscening of Kosher sellers and the like.  

	No, a law requiring that representations made on the label be accurate.  No 
law is required to deal with the Kosher seal.

    
>  >>  	It certainly puts the state in a position where to enforce the law
>  >>  it must adopt a legal standard for what is kosher as there is no clear
>  >>  meaning.  As with the cheeseburger example, or in regards to even
>  >>  "smelling" them as in a recent stupid eruption over a MacDonald's, the
>  >>  state would be required to codify kosher in order to act.  

>  >	No.  All it has to do is show that no Kosher approval was obtained.  The 
>  >law concerns the misrepresentation not whether the goods were Kosher or not.
  
>  	Anyone wanting to purchase kosher approval can find my address
>  posted here.  The state does NOT establish in law who may grant it nor
>  does it require you to identify your source.  

	Wrong on the second point.  And anyone who represents that the product is 
kosher based on your opinion would clearly be committing a fraud.

	--YFE	


From yawen@enter.net Tue Dec 31 09:10:56 PST 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: An honest interview
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>   joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) writes:

>  And what's wrong?  You [the criminal Giwer] got through a whole message without 
gibbering, and 
>  without a single "kike" or "fatbroad".

	He received a telephone call from gte.net.

	Too little.

	Too late.

	But he knows that already.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: For the Benefit of Mr. Kike
Date: 31 Dec 1996 00:49:19 GMT
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:

>  For some reason, this post disappeared from my server, so here is a repost.
>  BTW, the header is meant to be PARODY, and NOT to be taken as 
anti-Semitic.
>  If Danny Keren, Alstine, et. al. can refer to me as "Nazi" ( I don't know whether 
they
>  are serious), then I can post this as a headline.

	It's anti-Semitic and you know it.  Coupled with your distribution of 
anti-Semitic poetry, it is pretty conclusive.

  
>  Concerning the on-going debate of whether the river water at Belsen was fit to 
drink, here
>  is a special section from the book, "Basic Field Manual--Military Sanitation and
>  First Aid", published by the United States War Department:
>  METHODS OF PURIFICATION-
  
>  Boiling--Boiling is the safest method, but is undesireable because of the flat 
taste
>  and because of the lack of containers for boiling other than small quantities.

	In other words, this is exactly what you have been denying for months.
  
  CHLORINATION-
  
>  Chlorination is the method of choice and may be carried  out in the water 
sterilizing bag
>  (Lyster bag) in water carts, in small reservoirs, or by the mobile purification units
>  operated by the Corps of Engineers.  The exact amount of chlorine required will 
vary 
>  with the characterisics of the water being treated.  Water containing 
considerable
>  organic matter requires considerably more chlorine than does clear water.

>  Now, if anyone has the honesty to admit it, this post should decisively settle 
this
>  water business at Belsen once and for all.

	It certainly does.  It proves you have been lying.


>  The dishonest die-hards and true believers
>  like Yale E. will holler, shimmy, shake, and do all sorts of contortions, yet the 
facts 
>  stand indisputable by themselves.

	Yes. "Boiling is the safest method."  Exactly what everybody but 
"blackmore" has been stating all along.

>  If ever there was a case for the mass spreading of
>  an epidemic, Belsen was the location.  Tens of thousands of seriously ill 
inmates 
>  transferred during the last 2 months of the war into a camp which could only
>  accomdate a fraction of that number.

	And. although there were kitchen facilities available (that were not in 
use because Kramer did not bother to feed his victims), Kramer made no effort to 
get potable water by "the safest method."


>  Filth everywhere, mainly brought about by the
>  personal foul habits of many of the inmates themselves, who preferred 
wallowing in
>  filth rather than lift a finger to tidy their surroundings.

	What a liar.  It should be noted that at some camps having a hand 
towel was a capital offense.


>  (Note that this does not refer to
>  the seriously ill, who were housed in the infirmary.)  I need not elaborate on any 
other
>  aspects clearly stated in the War Department manual.

	Yes.  once you qoute the line "Boiling is the safest method."  Your 
house of cards is fairly well demolished.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Tue Dec 31 09:10:58 PST 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Image of Kahuna Giwer
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>   the criminal Giwer demonstrates his ignorance of the law:
>  On Mon, 30 Dec 1996 10:41:23 -0600, director@hatewatch.org wrote:
>  >Wrong again: HateWatch is not run by Harvard Law School it is an 
independent
>  >organization, so get over it. By the way the photo of your face is not
>  >in violation of us or international copyright. So get over that one too.
>  >You seem to have only two or three notes and play them over and over and 
over...
>  >You are droning is annoying and worthless. So get over it.

>  >Sam Macy
>  >Director of HateWatch - http://hatewatch.org
>  >director@hatewatch.org
  
>  	And I am certain you can provide the paper trail showing that the
>  transfer of the intellectual property of HLS was in fact transferred
>  for a financial compensation equivalent to the hours of effort and
>  fractional costs of the equipment and facilitities HLS put into its
>  original creation.  If not, you do not have a separate organization
>  but rather a sham organization, a shell front, that first year
>  students at Yale Law School are taught to pierce.  

	Yes, it's usually first year law students who try to "pierce the corporate 
veil."  As a second year law student knows, it is not their burden to prove the 
"paper trail" it is your burden to show by "clear and convincing" evidence 
(considered by many legal scholars to be a stricter burden than "beyond a 
reasonable doubt")  that the organization is a sham.

>  	If you claim it was a gift and if you are not a tax exempt
>  organization (at the time of acceptance of the gift) then you have
>  received a gift that is valued upon the above basis and income taxes
>  are due upon the fair market value of that gift.  You folks are aware
>  of the tax laws are you not?

	Are you?  A gift is *not* income.  The burden for the payment of the 
separate Gift Tax (a separate law) lies upon the giver of the gift.  Moreover tax 
exempt organizations are certainly permitted to give tax exempt grants to other 
individuals and organization *without* paying the gift tax.

>  	As I noted originally, even the Clinton's had the sense to go to
>  Yale.  

	And to learn the law before he started mouthing off about it.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) writes:
>  In article <19961228132200.IAA09818@ladder01.news.aol.com>, Fafner13 
wrote:
>  >
>  >I don't know why you bother to respond to all of this--he is trying to put
>  >you on the defensive.
>  
>   Perhaps, but it started with him calling me a nazi, because I refuse to
>  believe in the holocaust story.

	Actually it started with your amorous attachment to the nazi philosophy, 
your silly defenses of their actions, your open lying, and your proposal that Danish 
citizens of an ethnicity that displeases you should be deprived of their human rights, 
rounded up and thrown into concentration camps.


> Then I told him that Hitler said several 
>  times that national socialism knows only Germany and is not meant for 
>  export.

	Which you have yet to support with a single reference.  Nor have you 
explained Hitler's finacing and other backing for nazi parties in other countries 
including the U.S.


> Then he tried to "prove" that I might really be an ethnic German. 
>  Not that I have anything personal against individual Germans but I do not 
>  like anyone to get the impression that I am one.

	I have not tried to "prove" it.  You have done so with your contradictory 
stories.  Actually the suggestion was made by a Dane who, when she saw one of 
your posts noted that your name was German rather than Danish.

	--YFE	


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>  >  >   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
  
>  >  >  For some reason, this post disappeared from my server, so here is a repost.
>  >  >  BTW, the header is meant to be PARODY, and NOT to be taken as 
>  >  anti-Semitic.
>  >  >  If Danny Keren, Alstine, et. al. can refer to me as "Nazi" ( I don't know 
whether 
>  >  they
>  >  >  are serious), then I can post this as a headline.
  
>  >  	It's anti-Semitic and you know it.  Coupled with your distribution of 
>  >  anti-Semitic poetry, it is pretty conclusive.
  
>  Nonsense.--rb

	Sorry.  You are dead wrong and you know it.


>  >  	Yes.  once you qoute the line "Boiling is the safest method."  Your 
>  >  house of cards is fairly well demolished.

>  , you obviously failed to "get the point", as did 
>  Mike Stein......

	"Boiling is the safest method."


.boiling the water without suitable containers for 60,000 people
>  was completely impractical at belsen.  this is in complete agreement with the
>  text of the military manual.

	"Boiling is the safest method."  Now please document your assertion that 
the water could not have been boiled.  Kramer had a complete kitchen complex he 
was not using.

>  The preferred method would have been chlorination
>  in specially fitted dispenser bags, which could accomodate the great number of 
>  people in the camp.

	"Boiling is the safest method."  Chorination is preferred not because it is 
better but because it is cheaper, quicker, and uses less manpower.  Since it was not 
available the method available had to be used.  It wasn't.


>  The british obviously brought these items with them from their
>  field units.

	"Obviously."  Please give us something besides your perceptions to back 
this up.  If that was what the British were up to, why did they abandon that effort 
when they discovered pumping equipment in the camp.

>  Look at the documentary produced by hitchcock and narrated by
>  Trevor howard, and you will see what I am referirng to here.  As usual, you are
>  wrong, and Giwer and I are right  Just when you think it is safe to enter the
>  water, some dumb shark comes up and bites you on the ass.

	The idiot who got the shark bite seems to be you, for as you point out 
"Boiling is the safest method."

	Everything else you and the criminal Giwer have said is hot air.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>    mstein@access4.digex.net (Michael P. Stein) writes:

    
>         Because!  I!  Say!  So!
    
>         I repeat: take all the cookpots you have.  Use them round the clock
>    if need be.  The cookpots were not used round the clock for preparing
>    food.  You need not boil all the water at once.
>  COMMENT:
>  It is easy for you to state what SHOULD have been done, speaking from the
>  comfort of your home.

	On the other hand it is very easy to sit in the comfort of your home and 
describe what couldn't have been done.  As everyone know "Boiling is the safest 
method." of purifying water.

>The fact is the situation was not as you assume.

	Please present some evidence (you know what that is, it is something 
besides your assertions) that the unused kitchen facilities could not have handled 
the job.

>  to the British authorities ASAP.  That thousands of human beings continued to 
die after
>  the british took over command of the camp is probably due to the fact that they 
seemed
>  to have given unsterilized water to inmates whose health was already 
compromised
>  by serious, life-threatening intestinal ailments.  The British later blamed Kramer
>  for the deaths for which  they themselves were fully responsible.


	This is utter nonsense.  First you claim that the British were purifying the 
water and next you claim that they were giving the prisoners "unsterilized water."  
Please make up your mind as to which lie you wish to promote now.  But while 
you're doing it please do not forget:

	"Boiling is the safest method."

  The key factor here, whether
>  you realize it yet or not, is that these thousands of people were suffering from 
severe
>  intestinal ailments--life-threatening ailments--and if the water was NOT properly
>  sterilized with CHLORINE and FILTERED, as it came from the river full of 
sediment
>  and God knows what else, further casualities would result.

	But, as you noted "Boiling is the safest method."  Kramer did not use it.



>  Indeed, there are certain strains of bacteria which apparently are not killed by 
boiling, according
>  to other sources, which I will post when I find them.  If error occurred, it is the 
error of the
>  authorities I read, if at all, and which I posted an opinion.  In any event, my 
arguments
>  are not the least bit affected by the "revelations" as has been proved above.--rb

	Please post these sources which states that bacteria is *not* killed by 
boiling water or heat.  Please also explain why this is the method used in every 
microbiology lab that I have ever been in.  Indeed as your own source notes 
"Boiling is the safest method."

	--YFE



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