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From yawen@enter.net Tue Oct  1 07:50:18 PDT 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon's Question
Date: 30 Sep 1996 23:25:20 GMT
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>  Our resident criminal (Matt  Giwer) writes:

>  	Back before you were born the EPA was started in the US.  
Unbeknownst to
>  youngsters like you, rivers were full of shit, as in raw unprocessed human
>  waste.  Yes, Virginia, that is the way it was done in the good old days.  

	Then where did the British get the water?

	More to the point where did the nazis get the water?

	Belsen had been running for years.  Are you now telling us that there 
was never a water supply for the camp?

	You are getting even sillier than usual.

	--YFE


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Article: 70610 of alt.revisionism
From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   mgwier@worldnet.att.net (Matt  Giwer) writes:
>  On 30 Sep 1996 05:45:27 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>  >	Want to bet Matty poo?  The message was sent to me and my family. 
>  > It is obscene.  It is harrassment.
  
>  >	You are a criminal.
 
>  	I am awaiting the FBI.  You have to report the crime as an officer of the 
court.

>  	You are looking very silly and in violation of your oath as an attorney.  

	Says who, Matty poo?  You?

	Call them up and tell them you are violating the criminal laws of 
Pennsylvania on which the statute of limitations has not run and I haven't filed a 
criminal complaint against you.

  
>  	Come on, dickless, file a criminal report.   

	Why?

  
>  	BTW:  What is the email address of your family?  

	The same as mine.
  	
>  	You are a silly, posturing old fool who is violating his oath.  

	You are a criminal whose abuse of the net was dealt with by your ISP.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Tue Oct  1 12:31:51 PDT 1996
Article: 70630 of alt.revisionism
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Baron Lies About the ADL Again
Date: 30 Sep 1996 02:58:55 GMT
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>   A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron) writes:
  
>  Bore, bore, lie, lie, fucking bore. Mr Stein has a copy of this non-existent 
>  article. 

	Which, according to Mr. Stein, makes no mention of the statements 
you have attributed to it.
 
>  >         By the way, I take it this is -- at long last -- an admission that you
>  >  cannot 
>  > point to a statement from the ADL stating that 20% of Americans are
>  >  anti-Semites.
  
>  Like I said, the lies of these hatemongers are a matter of public record;
>  check out Weyl the book they commissioned ANTI-SEMITISM [sic] IN 
AMERICA.

	A public record which you cannot point out.  Weyl is liar.  You are a 
liar.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Tue Oct  1 12:31:52 PDT 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Dr. Hans W. Muench Testifies About Auschwitz
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:

>  "confessions" were obtained, it more or less forced the allies into a corner.  
When it came
>  to light during the Malmedy trials that torture, intimidation, and bribery were 
common tools 
>  used to obtain damning admissions,

	Torture was not used during the interrogations before the Malmedy 
trials.

>  I have been trying to tell you for months now, but many of you
>   either ignore or refuse to research  sources
>  which I recommend, which cast suspicion upon  these "eyewitness"
>   testimonies, many obtained by intimidation,
>  torture, and "plea bargains", or a desire for revenge.

	I *have* researched the sources about your claims of torture at the 
Malmedy trials.  They are fraudulent.  That being established why should I 
bother to chase down your other red herrings.


	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Tue Oct  1 20:59:05 PDT 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: HITLER SAID THE JEWS ARE THE BIG LIARS
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>   mstein@access5.digex.net (Michael P. Stein) writes:

>      Matt Giwer recounts lies and hallucinations.  Obviously Hitler never
>  met Matt Giwer or he might have used a different example.

	Obviously Will Rogers never met him either.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   mgwier@worldnet.att.net (Matt  Giwer) writes:
>  On 30 Sep 1996 23:48:51 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>  
>  >	Wrong, Matty poo.  A crime has been committed.  You committed it.  
>  >Actually it was two crimes.  Your first crime was Harassment by Communication, 
>  >a class three misdemeanor (18 P.S. 2710), when in response to a request 
>  >that you cease your harassment of me and my family you told us "I am tired 
>  >of your shit.  Fuck off."  Your second crime occurred two days later when, in 
>  >furtherance of the threat implied in your first criminal communication you 
>  >harassed me further with another e-mail that included your rather vile anti-Semitic 
>  >rantings.  This second crime was also Harassment by Communication now 
>  >compounded by "Ethnic Intimidation" (12 P.S. 4908) which elevates the crime to 
>  >a class two misdemeanor.
  
>  >	I suggest you talk to a lawyer.
  
>  	When do you report it according to your oath?  When does the FBI show up?  

	When the FBI investigates you is their concern.

>  	Speak up, dickless.  When is it going to happen?  I am getting tired of waiting.

	When did I state that I was going to file a criminal complaint?

	--YFE 	


From yawen@enter.net Tue Oct  1 22:43:33 PDT 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon's Question
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>   mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt  Giwer) writes:

>  >	All this becasue Matty poo won't answer a simple question: where did 
>  >the British get the water?
  
>  >	Perhaps Matty poo should go back to what he does best: harassing 
>  >those who disagree with him.

	Matty poo still won't answer the question.

	Where did the water come from Matty poo?

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Wed Oct  2 08:16:38 PDT 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon's Question
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>   mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt  Giwer) writes:
>  On Mon, 30 Sep 1996 17:30:33 GMT, dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) 
wrote:

>  >The nazi-boy, and Giwer, are trying to pull a trick here.
>  >The corpses were in the water tanks in the camp, not in the
>  >river. The river water was fit to drink. Kramer simply didn't
>  >care enough to supply any water to the inmates. The Brits,
>  >using only equipment found in the camp, immediately set up
>  >a system to provide the water to the camp.

	[Matty poo's evasions snipped]

	Why can't Matty poo answer this simple question?

	Is it becasue he has been caught lying again?

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Wed Oct  2 08:16:38 PDT 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Who, what, sort of when, but no where, exactly.
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>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:

  
>  	When he announced he was leaving to take up an assistants job at
>  the Oxford Frances Bacon under "Au revoir, but not goodbye", I
>  responded with:
>  
>  	"Mr. Morris, can you e-mail me the address of this new board
>  you've been elected to so I can send them some samples of your alt.rev
>  posts so they will realize what an idiot they have chosen?
>  	                                                      Thanks 
>                                                             Tom Moran"
  
>  	The idea that the board would have samples of his alt.revisionism
>  stuff panicked him into sending a complaint to my mommy (server). He
>  went completely bananas. He got himself into a real fit. And all I did
>  was propose sending off his own stuff. Didn't say anything about
>  adding any commentary. Didn't say anything about including anything
>  other than his own output. 

	O.K. then l'il tommy why don't you post the names and addresses of 
your co-workers, supervisors, and customers.  We'll send them some of your 
posts and ask for their reaction.  All we will send are your anti-Semitic rants.

	How about your parish priest l'il tommy?  I'm sure he would be 
interested in your representations.

  
>  	He fears his own stuff, because he knows deep down inside,
>  subliminally, he's an idiot. 

	l'il tommy has been challenged several times about his opinions.  
Specifically he has been invited to defend himself before an impartial tribunal.  l'il 
tommy has consistently refused becasue he knows that he is an anti-Semite and 
a liar.
  
>  	And what does he do when he first reappears on alr.revisionism?
>  He strives to discredit the history of Frances Bacon with 185 lines
>  under "Bacon, Diogenes, Homer and Voltaire - enemies of Holocaust
>  tyranny". 

	It's not very hard to discredit someone who was chancellor of the Star 
Chamber.


	--YFE	


From yawen@enter.net Wed Oct  2 08:16:39 PDT 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Priests Murdered in Dachau
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>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:
>  yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>  >	Since the commandants of the camps were specifically required to list 
>  >the Christian clergy in their camps (Document NS 3 425, Bundesarchiv Koblenz 
>  >issued December 31, 1943), why would expect rabbis to be listed?

>  >	Or are you just even stupider than you generally appear?

>  	 "(Document NS 3 425)" you say? 

	No.  What I said was Document NS 3 425 in the Bundesarchiv Koblenz.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Wed Oct  2 08:16:40 PDT 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Response to "Teapot Tempest"...Jews the children of "satin"?
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>   Dan Cook  writes:
>   I think you, Mr. Schoedel were always a fraud, your so called White 
>  supremist board gave prace to Scofiels and had an Biblica interpitation 
>  staight from the Talmud. I think Winston is talking abut you in his News 
>  Letter when He mentioned a traitor.

	Moran himself could not have said it better.

	I am tempted to send this to William Safire but he would think someone 
is pulling his leg.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon's Question
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:

>  >  You may say it until the cows come home, Mr. Blackmore, that will not make it
>  >  true.

>  No, but the facts do make it true.  Pity that you refuse to admit it.

	WHAT FACTS?  You have presented no "facts" whatsoever.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Wed Oct  2 19:29:01 PDT 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon's Question
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>   dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes:

>  Testimony of Herta Ehlert, a member of the SS unit at Belsen (p. 709):
>  ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>  The conditions in Belsen were a shame and a disgrace. I consider
>  that the people chiefly responsible were Kramer the Kommandant,
>  Dr. Horstmann, Untersturmfuehrer Klipp, who was for some time
>  Kramer's second in command, and Haupsturfuehrer Vogler, who
>  worked in Kramer's office and was responsible for food supply.
>  I say that Kramer was responsible for the conditions, among
>  other reasons, because on one occasion when I complained of the
>  increasing death rate to Kramer he replied, "let them die, why
>  should you care?".

	This, as blackmore well knows, is quite consistent with Kramer's 
character.  When asked what it felt like to murder 80 people, Kramer replied "I 
didn't feel anything.  I received an order to kill the prisoners, and that is what I did." 
 Later he told his wife that they should be thankful that they were not born Jews 
since that would mean that they would have to die.

	Segev, "Soldiers of Evil: The Commandants of the Nazi Concentration 
Camps" pages 51, 53.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Thu Oct  3 08:36:09 PDT 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt  Giwer) writes:
>  On 1 Oct 1996 02:38:18 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
  
>  	Is you state so different that an officer of the court does not have to report
>  crimes?  

	There is no such requirement in any state.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   frice@stbbs.com (Fredric L. Rice) writes:
>  yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

  
>  >By all means do so.  The Soncino translation of the BabylonianTalmud 
>  >(not the best or most complete translation) is available on CD from:
  
>  To damned expensive.  Are there any ASCII copies around the network?

	I guess it's all relative.  About a year ago I paid $2K for one three CD 
set and $1.5K for a single CD.  Since the hard copy price for a *used* set of 
hard copy is about $6K,  I thought it was a bargain.

	I don't know of any site that has the complete Soncino edition on-line. 
 If you are looking, check for the Steinsaltz translation.  It is more complete and 
most Talmus students I know think it a better translation.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon's Question
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:

>  >  	Wrong.  The British brought up the trucks and then found that the water 
>  >  which Kramer denied the prisoners was potable.

>  Wrong.  Read the testimony.

	I did.  The testimony states that they used the pumps and hoses in the 
camp and got the water from the river.  They also stated that there was no reason 
why Kramer could not do the same.

	Against that testimony we have:

	your speculations.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Giwer admits again that he is a troll....
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>   frice@stbbs.com (Fredric L. Rice) writes:

>  What is the form that Matt's mailbombs take?  Does he post hundreds of
>  messages to an individual or does he go for megabyte file attaches? 
>  If it's hundreds of messages, is it the same message over and over or
>  is it religious revisionist propaganda?

	In the case of the mailbombing of Nizkor (for which he was suspended by his 
ISP) it was a single 5 meg bomb.  The mail bomb can be found on the Nizkor website 
(http://www.nizkor.org)  Recently Rajiv Ghandi has stated that Giwer e-mailed him 
approximately 125 identical messages.

	--YFE


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Subject: Re: Yom Kippur
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>   mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt  Giwer) writes:
>  On 2 Oct 1996 02:33:56 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>  >>  >	Wrong, Matty poo.  A crime has been committed.  You committed it.  
>  >>  >Actually it was two crimes.  Your first crime was Harassment by 
Communication, 
>  >>  >a class three misdemeanor (18 P.S. 2710), when in response to a request 
>  >>  >that you cease your harassment of me and my family you told us "I am 
tired 
>  >>  >of your shit.  Fuck off."  Your second crime occurred two days later when, 
in 
>  >>  >furtherance of the threat implied in your first criminal communication you 
>  >>  >harassed me further with another e-mail that included your rather vile 
anti-Semitic 
>  >>  >rantings.  This second crime was also Harassment by Communication now 
>  >>  >compounded by "Ethnic Intimidation" (12 P.S. 4908) which elevates the 
crime to 
>  >>  >a class two misdemeanor.
  
>  
>  >	When did I state that I was going to file a criminal complaint?
  
>  	As an officer of the court you are obligated to do so.  	

	Wrong.  There is no such requirement.  In fact, under many 
circumstances I am obligated *not* to report it.

	--YFE


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>   frice@stbbs.com (Fredric L. Rice) writes:
>  mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) wrote:
  
>  >Dickless has publically charged that I am a criminal.
  
>  Have any evidence for this one?

	I have posted that Giwer is a criminal.  Specifically, after sending 
unwanted e-mail and being asked to stop he e-mailed the following message to 
me and my family.

	"I am tired of your shit.  Fuck off." (August 19, 1996)  This is in 
violation of 18 P.S. 2710 (Pennsylvania) which classifies this as "Harassment by 
Communication".

	Apparently to prove his intention to invade our privacy Giwer e-mailed 
us one of his typical anti-Semitic rants on September 5, 1996.  This was in 
violation of  both 18 P.S. 2710 and 18 P.S. 4906 Ethnic Intimidation which is not 
a crime when standing alone but is an enhancement statute which ups a 
harassment charge by one grade.

	A complaint was made to abuse@netcom.com.  They verified both the 
request that Giwer cease sending e-mail and the fact that Giwer sent those 
harassing communications.  For that reason and his threats (which were, in 
fact, an attempt at extortion) and mailbombing of Nizkor, Netcom suspended 
Giwer's account.  Netcom agreed to reinstate his account if he complied with 
certain conditions.  Giwer never complied with the conditions; he now posts from 
another ISP for the moment.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: The Crimes of Matthew Giwer
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>   mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt  Giwer) writes:
>  On 1 Oct 1996 03:00:47 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

  
>  >	Let us review the bidding to this point:
  
>  >	1.  on March 23, March 27, and July 23, 1996.  Matt Giwer e-mailed 
me.  On 
>  >the first two occasions I requested that he send me no more e-mail.
  
>  	In response to email exchanges that you initiated.   

	That is a lie.  I have never e-mailed you except to request that you stop 
sending me e-mail.

	You are a criminal who harassed me and my family because you are an 
egoistical jerk.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon's Question
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:

>  Right.  the big-time lawyer says that we don't need to prove crimes alleged
>  against Germans.  Where was their "dream team"?

	No.  I am saying that they *did* prove the crimes alleged against the 
nazis.  Courts were constituted.  Evidence of the guilt was presented.  Defenses 
were presented.  The nazis were convicted.

	You are now trying to tell us those convictions were is error.  That, 
sonny boy, requires a little more than "reasonable suspicions."  It requires facts 
and evidence.  You have presented none.

	You have whines.

	You have speculated.

	You have postured.

	You have lied.

	You have told us that a man who murders eighty people and shrugs 
his shoulders when asked how he felt when he did it, was something other than 
a cold-blooded killer.

	Sorry that I can't take you seriously, sonny boy.  In the marketplace of 
ideas you are a loser.

	--YFE


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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon's Question
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:

>  >  	Obviously from the camp.  There are no reports that the electricity was 
>  >  out.
  
>  The electricity WAS out.

	Strange that nobody noticed that but you.

  
>  >  	Now answer the question.  Where did the water come from?
  
>  From the same place where Jesus got his loaves and fishes....

	blackmore still does not answer the question.  It is rather simple.  blackmore 
claims that no potable water was available.  The British state that they supplied 
potable water within hours.  The evidence is that they supplied potable water within 
hours.  blackmore can't answer a simple question.

	Where did the water come from?

	--YFE


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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:

>  >  	Kramer was a murderer.
  
>  >  	Where did the British get the water to supply the camp?

>  You're avoiding the issues.  By the way, I answered your question about the 
water.
>  See my current posts.

	The issue is a simple one.  Kramer made a silly claim.  Your speculation 
does not give it substance.

	--YFE


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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon's Question
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:

>  >  
>  >  	Where did they get the water?

>  This question has been answered in a recent reply to B. Harmon.  Follow
>  the yellow brick road....

	The answer is nothing more than your speculation.

	--YFE


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Subject: Re: Demolition of Auschwitz evidence?
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>   dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes:
>  tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:
>  
>  # Considering how the Soviets had set up a Extraordinary Commission
>  # for the study of war crimes from day one of entering the camps, why
>  # did the Soviets not take photos of the alleged Cremas, even in their
>  # razed state?
>  
>  Of course they did. See Pressac's book.
>  
>  # and why didn't the Soviets take any photographs
>  
>  They did.

	Apparently l'il tommy is unaware of the evidence presented at the 
Nuremberg trial.  They not only took photographs but made movies as well.


>  Poor, poor old Tommy.

	If you add "ignorant" you have hit the nail on the head.

	--YFE


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>   rajiv_gandhi@bc.sympatico.ca (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes:

>  mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt  Giwer) wrote:
  
>  >         As an officer of the court you are obligated to do so.          
 
>  > Where in the lawyer's code of professional conduct for Mr. Edeiken's 
>  > particular state does it say that, you moron ?

	There is, of course, no such requirement in any code of professional 
conduct.  In fact, the opposite is true.  In many cases lawyers are prohibited from 
reporting crimes.  An accurate (rare for Hollywood) use of this in fiction can be 
found in "The Jagged Edge."

	--YFE


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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon's Question
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:

  
>  >  	Where did the British get the water?

>  read the test.  I even quoted it for you.

	According to the testimony they obtained it from the river using the 
camp equipment.

	According to the testimony it was potable.

	According to the testimony they needed no special filters.

	According to the testimony the camp equipment worked fine.

	I am glad that you finally agree that the failure to provide water was 
Kramer's fault.

	Now let's go on to the next point.  Kramer denied food to the inmates. 
 Food was available.  You are well aware of what he did and what he didn't do. 
 Why did he deprive those starving people of food?

	--YFE 


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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  Special filtration or no special filtration, the water was not brought up
>  for 4 to 5 days from the river, after they had scrounged through the camp
>  for materials.  Perhaps the defense counsel could have pursued the questioning
>  a bit more in depth.

	The testimony was the water was restored with hours of their arrival.

	Perhaps defense counsel didn't pursue it becasue he knew that he was 
going to beaten over the head with it.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:

  
>  >  	Source:  "Soldiers of Evil" Tom Segev (McGraw Hill; 1987).  The book 
>  >  is a re-writing of Dr. Segev's doctoral thesis in history at Boston University.  It 
was 
>  >  study of the commandants of the concentration camps.

>  Thanks for your "help", but I already own the book you mentioned, and I have
>  read it.  As to your other comments, we can do without your attacking 
Catholics.

	Then why have you failed to deal with the facts contained therein?

	--YFE


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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:

>  >  >  >  	Where did they get the water?
  
>  >  >  This question has been answered in a recent reply to B. Harmon.  Follow
>  >  >  the yellow brick road....
  
>  >  	The answer is nothing more than your speculation.

>  No it isn't.  It is in the testimony.

	Excuse me, sonny boy, but that is what everybody else has been saying.  
*You* (and our resident criminal) have been the ones maintaining it came from 
somewhere else.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Thu Oct  3 08:36:21 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon's Question
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:

>  >  
>  >  	WHAT FACTS?  You have presented no "facts" whatsoever.

>  Are you suffering from delusional thinking?

	No.  I am dealing with the historical record.  You have presented 
speculations, strange arguments, and denials of the testimony of those who were 
there.  You wouldn't even be allowed to present your arguments to a jury.  And, if 
you did they would laugh at you.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Thu Oct  3 08:36:22 PDT 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:

>  >  	The charges of torture at the Malmedy trial were thoroughly disproved.  
>  >  Clay states this.  The Simpsom report states this.  Extensive hearing before the 
>  >  Senate establish this.
  
>  >  	You are lying.

>  You are in error, as usual.

	"It was then that I asked for an independent review which led to the 
appointment of the Simpson Commission by the Department of the Army.  This 
commission and my own Admisitration of Justice Review Board found that improper 
methods had been used to obtain evidence in the Malmedy cases.  Members of the 
prosecution staff testified to the use of stage settings, stool pigeons, and similar 
methods to extract evidence.  Extreme brutalities claimed by the prisoners, in 
manifest self-interest were denied by the prosecution staff and not borne out by 
other evidence."

	--Lucius Clay "Decision in Germany"  page 253.

	Apparently among those in error are Lucius Clay, the Simpson 
Commission, and the Senate of the United States.

	Apparently you are lying again.  As usual.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:

>  >  	Then why have you failed to deal with the facts contained therein?

>  I am dealing with the information contained therein, as well as other sources-
>  are you?

	Don't be silly.  The book contradicts every one of cherished ideas about 
Kramer.  You have claimed that his intention was to treat the prisoners humanely.  The 
information Segev presents makes a very convincing case that Kramer -- and the other 
commandants of the concentration camps -- were indoctrinated and ordered to treat the 
prisoners as sub-human.

	Deal with it, sonny boy.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Fri Oct  4 17:24:34 PDT 1996
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:

>  >  	Perhaps defense counsel didn't pursue it becasue he knew that he 
was 
>  >  going to beaten over the head with it.

>  You're guessing.....By the way-water wasn't "restored", it was brought in by 
British 
>  field trucks from their field units.

	No.  I'm making a logical deduction from known facts.  In this case 
the known facts include the art of cross examination.

	The water came from somewhere.  Even if it was in trucks.

	--YFE


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>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:
>  tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) wrote:

  
>  	Right here we have the Simon Wiesenthal telling Clinton, in the
>  open limelight of our medias,  "No Arafat Invitation until PLO Charter
>  Revoked", and Clinton obeying.

	Hey, Moron do you know what the PLO Charter states?

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   mike@aimetering.com (Mike Curtis) writes:
>  rblackmore@juno.com wrote:

>  >Correction:  Don't refer  me to a secondary source.
  
>  Then check the footnotes to the secondary source Mr.
>  Belling/Blackmore/Whoever. Don't just try to wriggle out by ignoring a
>  presentation. You have your chance now to catch old Yale off guard by
>  looking at his secondary source's sources. I think you prefer to
>  cop-out, however.

	rblackmore is just throwing up a smokescreen.  The facts in Segev 
includes some rather interesting primary material, including quotes from Kramer's 
letters from prison and quotes from an interview with Kramer's wife.  That is 
classified as primary source material wherever the reprints can be found.

	--YFE


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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:

>  >  	Don't be silly.  The book contradicts every one of cherished ideas 
about 
>  >  Kramer.  You have claimed that his intention was to treat the prisoners 
humanely.  The 
>  >  information Segev presents makes a very convincing case that Kramer -- 
and the other 
>  >  commandants of the concentration camps -- were indoctrinated and 
ordered to treat the 
>  >  prisoners as sub-human.
  
>  >  	Deal with it, sonny boy.

>  Correction:  Don't refer  me to a secondary source.

	Sorry, sonny boy, much of the material in Segev's book is primary 
source -- including the interview with his wife.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris) writes:

  
>  >  Not to belabor the obvious or anything, but where did the water in the
>  >  water tanks (or reservoirs) come from? Surely a large camp like Belsen
>  >  did not rely on rain water collected in cisterns. Could the tanks not
>  >  have been drained after the corpses were removed and replenished from
>  >  whatever their water source was? From the river perhaps?
  
>  Well, you are asking a speculative question here.  One might think of a whole 
>  list of perhaps, but all we have to go on is what is, or was.  I am not sure
>  that even the British resorted to the method you described above.  i did
>  not read it in the transcripts.  i wish they were more explicit about the methods
>  they utilized after they took over the administration of the camp.

	His question is not speculative at all.  You have consistently ignored the 
basic fact that the water for the camp had to come from somewhere.

	The only ones deprived of water were the prisoners and that only when 
Kramer was in charge.  There was plenty of potable water for the guards.  There 
was potable water for the prisoners in the years before Kramer took over.

	The relevant facts are that the British were able to supply potable water 
using the equipment on hand.  The rest is a red herring.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt  Giwer) writes:
>  	It has been some six to seven months since the holohuggers, after several
>  rounds of name calling, dropped to rather obvious point regarding the
>  collection of human hair, there exists nothing then or now that is made of
>  pure jewess hair.  

	Directive to commandants of concentration camps dated January 1, 
1943:

	"The prisoner's hair is to be sent to Alex Zink, Fur Manufactures, Ltd., 
Nuremberg.  The company will pay 0.50 marks for every kilogram of hair."

	Bubdesarchiv Koblenz; document NS 3 386.

	--YFE


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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:

>  >  	The testimony was the water was restored with hours of their arrival.
  
>  >  	Perhaps defense counsel didn't pursue it becasue he knew that he 
was 
>  >  going to beaten over the head with it.

>  You're guessing.....By the way-water wasn't "restored", it was brought in by 
British 
>  field trucks from their field units.

	No.  I'm reading the testimony.  Testimony that a British barrister would 
not touch on cross-examination.

	--YFE


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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:

>  >  	The water came from somewhere.  Even if it was in trucks.

>  OK.  Great.  But it did not come from the river.

	You can prove this?

	I thought not.  More excuses without foundation.


>  it came as part of the regular field
>  supplies issued to the Brish army.

	Sure.  And the British trucked all their water in from the Thames.

>  So, Kramer did not get the water from the river, he got 
>  it from the British.


	Kramer was under arrest.  The British supplied the water to the prisoners .

	Your string is about played out.  The fact is that the testimony is that the 
British used the pumps and hoses found in the camp and obtained potable water 
>from  the river.  All you wiggling and all your squirming cannot change that.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:

>  >>   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:

>  >>  	Apparently l'il tommy is unaware of the evidence presented at the 
>  >>  Nuremberg trial.  They not only took photographs but made movies as well.
  
>  	Mr. Edeiken, I'm interested in these photos, and the movies. How
>  come they are not used, referred to, in the Holocasut sales package? I
>  take it your not referring to anything of Buchenwald or Dachau, but
>  are referring to any taken by the Soviets, as that's what the subject
>  is about. 

	In other words, you are ignorant of the evidence presented at the 
Nurmeber trials.  There are several good books on the subject.  I realize that your 
lips might get tired, but try reading one instead of making up your lies.

	Specifically:

	Conot, "Justice at Nuremberg"

	Taylor, "Anatomy of the Nuremberg Trials"


>  >>  	If you add "ignorant" you have hit the nail on the head.

>  >I thought you people were uncomfortable referring to Nuremberg?

	Then you thought wrong.  But that surprises no-one.

	--YFE


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>   mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt  Giwer) writes:

>  	I have only heard of one movie and it would be in the no longer used
>  category as it was made by the US Army and showed a gas chamber.  And 
since
>  the US had no access to Poland ... 

	Then you are as ignorant as Moran.  How dare you claim that you 
have gone over the IMT transcripts when you have no knowledge of the case 
presented at the trial.  If you did the research that you claim to have done you 
would not make such silly mistakes.

	Read a book, asshole.

	--YFE


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>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:
>  mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van Alstine) wrote:

>  >Here we have yet another brazen example of Holocaust denial by Moran. His
>  >specious claims, half-truths, and outright lies are presented for no other
>  >reason than the malicious distortion of the historical record to disparge
>  >the Holocaust and its victims. Such puerile tactics are the stock-in-trade
>  >of Holocuast deniers, Nazi apologists, and anti-Semites like Moran.
  
>  	This is Mr. VanAlstines emotional bitter introduction.

	Actually it is neither bitter nor emotional.  It is an accurate description of 
your technique of lying -- which he then proceeded to dissect with devastating 
effect -- and your tranparent motive for doing so.

	The fact is that you are a liar and and an anti-Semite.

	I would be willing to make those charges before an impartial tribunal.

	Are you willing to show up and dispute them?

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Dr. Hans W. Muench Testifies About Auschwitz
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:

>  >  	"It was then that I asked for an independent review which led to the 
>  >  appointment of the Simpson Commission by the Department of the Army.  This 
>  >  commission and my own Admisitration of Justice Review Board found that 
improper 
>  >  methods had been used to obtain evidence in the Malmedy cases.  Members 
of the 
>  >  prosecution staff testified to the use of stage settings, stool pigeons, and 
similar 
>  >  methods to extract evidence.  Extreme brutalities claimed by the prisoners, in 
>  >  manifest self-interest were denied by the prosecution staff and not borne out 
by 
>  >  other evidence."
  
>  >  	--Lucius Clay "Decision in Germany"  page 253.
  
>  >  	Apparently among those in error are Lucius Clay, the Simpson 
>  >  Commission, and the Senate of the United States.
  
>  >  	Apparently you are lying again.  As usual.
  

>  The facts are somewhat different, regardless of what Clay said then, to
>  try and save face.

	Odd that Lucius Clay did not know what the facts were.  Odd that the 
Simpson Commission did not know what the facts were.  Odd that a Senate 
investigating committee hostile to the prosecutors did not know what the facts 
were.

	The fact is that they all dismissed the claims of torture as lies.

	Odd that physicians who examined the alleged victims could find no 
medical results of severe torture.

	The fact is that the alleged victims were medically examined at the time 
of trial and there were no discernable injuries.

	Odd that the leading revisionist book on the Dachau trials "Innocent at 
Dachau" does not make a claim that Simpson Commission found such torture.

	The fact is that while he cites the conclusion that there were irregularities 
he does not charge physical coercion.

	Somehow I think that when blackmore gets around to posting his 
"evidence" we will read the same old charges and his "reasonable suspicions."  
There will be no medical reports.  There will be no independent evidence.  There 
will just be hot air.  That's what we have come to expect from blackmore.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Einsatzgruppen Reports - OSR USSR #45
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris) writes:

>  >  Good point. Now why do you suppose the folks back in Berlin would
>  >  impressed by exaggerated body counts of Jews shot by the
>  >  Einsatzgruppen?
>  
>  who was talking about the Jews here?

	The Einsatzgruppen.  The people back in Berlin>

>  >  I know, I know. You'll get around to posting. . . .
  
>  I just did, didn't I?  By the way, how fast could you post if you answer dozens 
of
>  demands for evidence every day?  I am not the Wiesenthal Center, where I 
can hire
>  a staff to do my work for me.  If that was the case, you people would really be 
in a 
>  jam.  Your unjust and barbed comments do you no credit.

	The idea, jerk-off, is to do your research *before* you make an 
assertion of fact.

	--YFE


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>   mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt  Giwer) writes:

  
>  	When the exterminationist posts stop I will stop.  If you folks will not
>  honor the revision only nature of the conference I will not.  
  
>  	You do understand, do you not?  

	Yes.  We understand perfectly.  If t\your opponents don't stop proving 
that you are a fraud and a liar, yu will continue to violate the law by such 
unsavory activities as:

	1.  extortion

	2.  mail-bombing

	3.  spamming

	4.  harassing people with obscene e-mail.

	--YFE
	


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt  Giwer) writes:

>  	Which begs the question as to why the IMT received so few 
non-jewish
>  reports.  We are also left to wonder why the jew, non-jew breakout of the
>  total was not in the literature prior to the change.  

	It was.  But then, you have now admitted that you are unaware of 
the evidence presented at the IMT.

	--YFE


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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:

  
>  >  Nothing is ever done to your satisfaction, Herr Belling, and I couldn't be
>  >  bothered to do so since you have become little more than a troll.

>  Always an excuse for a disinclination to assist  researchers with contrary 
opinions, Ken. 

	Actually you have showed no ability or interest in research.  Your 
"questions" have been little more than puerile quibbles.  Examples:

	1.  When you were presented with the testimony of Nysili you asked for 
his birth certificate.

	2.  When you were told Hilter read "Der Stuermer" you demanded 
certifed copies of the subscription records.

	3.  When you were given a physician's report, you demanded his raw 
notes.

	4.  When you were given a pathologist's report on a tissue sample, you 
demanded that the original specimen be produced.

	And to put the cherry on top of the sundae when you made one of your 
blanket assertions and were asked for some evidence, you told us that you had a 
"reasonable suspicion" and that should be sufficient for anyone.

	Stop whining, little boy.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon's Question
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:

>  >  	Sure.  And the British trucked all their water in from the Thames.

>  >  	Kramer was under arrest.  The British supplied the water to the 
prisoners .

>  >  	Your string is about played out.  The fact is that the testimony is that 
the 
>  >  British used the pumps and hoses found in the camp and obtained potable 
water 
>  >  from the river.  All you wiggling and all your squirming cannot change that.

>  You're a riot sometimes.  Why don't you do some reading instead of talking
>  all the time?  How do you think whole armies are supplied with food and 
water?
>  It is called logistics, and the British brought up water and food supplies from 
their
>  own field kitchens.

	Initially, yes.  Then they used the resources your murderous hero had 
at his disposal and refused to use.   The water came from the river and the food 
>from  the wehrmacht supplies nearby.

>  The water was NOT pumped in from the river until FIVE days
>  later, after they had scrounged throughout the camp for equipment.

	Which the Kramer could have easily done himself had he cared.  Giulty 
as charged.

>  For an attorney,
>  you really are making yourself look ridiculous here.  Go get a cup of coffee, 
wake
>  up, read the testimony which confirms what I just told you, and then get back 
to me.

	Which is in flat contradiction to your position that Kramer is innocent.  
Something you apparently decided before you looked that the evidence and 
maintain here as some sort of religious belief.

	--YFE

	--YFE  



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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon's Question
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:

    
>  >  >  >  	Perhaps defense counsel didn't pursue it becasue he knew 
that he 
>  >  was 
>  >  >  >  going to beaten over the head with it.
  
>  >  >  You're guessing.....By the way-water wasn't "restored", it was brought in 
by 
>  >  British 
>  >  >  field trucks from their field units.

	The testimony was that it was restored using the pumps and equipment 
at the camp.  When asked if Kramer could have done the same, the answer was 
that he could have.
 
>  >  	No.  I'm reading the testimony.  Testimony that a British barrister would 
>  >  not touch on cross-examination.

>  Now read the testimony that confirms what I posted above.

	I read it.  You are distorting it.  It damns Kramer for the murderer that he 
was.  And no barrister in his right mind would have even tried to cross examine on 
it.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:

>  This is great.  You're not uncomfortable about referring to Nuremberg?

	No.  I'm not.  In fact I have recently read more on the trial then 
previously, including all of the testimony presented at the trial on the KZ and the 
judgment of the court as well as rereading about a dozen books on the trials.

	Apparently Moran is not even familiar with the evidence presented 
there yet chooses to babble on about it.

	The verdict is in.  As Moran once stated (and has since backed down) 
what you are doing is attempting to "appeal."  The burden is upon the detractors 
of the trial.  To date I have not seen an argument -- and this includes your posts, 
Carlo Mantagno's articles from which they were drawn, and Giwer's nonsense -- 
which an appellate court would even consider.  Please note that I did not state 
"believe" or even "consider seriously,"  I stated "consider."  The arguments that 
have been presented do not even begin to make an issue.

	Please tell us when you are going to begin to do so.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Dr. Hans W. Muench Testifies About Auschwitz
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:

>  >  	Odd that physicians who examined the alleged victims could find no 
>  >  medical results of severe torture.
  
>  That's a good one.

	Sure is.  It completely refutes your lie.
  
>  >  	The fact is that the alleged victims were medically examined at the 
time 
>  >  of trial and there were no discernable injuries.
  
>  Oh?  The bruises had faded by then?

	Since they never existed, your question stinks.  Prove that "bruises" 
existed in the first place.  Moreover reports that testicles had to be removed 
due to trauma are not '"bruises."  Being beaten repeatedly with rifle butts (note 
plural), pistol butts (note plural) and pistol barrels (note plural) produce injuries 
that go past bruises.  Your problem is that one of your fellow nazi lovers has 
already posted the text of the claims.

>  Odder that this is in direct conflict with the comments of  U.S.
>  Judge Van Roden, who was in Germany investigating these
>  brutalities at the time of their occurence.

	Van Roden was part of the Simpson Commission.  The Simpson 
Commission made no findings of brutalities.  You really ought to do some 
research at some place other than revisionist web sites.

  
>  "All but two of the Germans in 139 cases we investigated had been kicked 
>  in the testicles beyond repair.  This was standard operating procedure  with
>  our American investigators."

	That does not appear in the Simpson Report.  It is a fabrication.  
Sorry.

 
>  Old Proverb:  "Three Pennsylvania lawyers are a match for the devil."

	You should note that Van Roden was from Pennsylvania.

	--YFE


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>   gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:
>  In message <52nanp$gdu@juliana.sprynet.com> - rblackmore@juno.com30 
Sep 1996

>  :>No, it does not.  You seem to have a problem with it though.  The two cases
>  :>are not relevant, and neither are the circumstances.  If you don't mind, I really
>  :>don't want to enter into a discussion on Auschwitz just yet.  I am still 
researching.
>  
>  Yes, I am sure you are still "researching".  Hope it goes well.
>  
>  Funny that you raise the mane Kramer and once someone points out that he 
was
>  former commandant of Birkenau, you decide you don't want to discuss 
Auschwitz
>  because you are "researching" it.  

	To help Mr. blackmore in his research here is the relevant portion of his 
hero's resume:

	born:  November 10, 1906

His father was an accountant and Kramer received his education at a Catholic 
elementary school.  After elementary school he was educated as an electrician.

	work history:

	1925:  Kramer worked for three months as an electrician.  This is the 
only civilian job he ever held.

	history as a nazi:

	late 1931:  Kramer joined the nazi party and enlisted in the SS in June, 
1932.  At the time the SS consisted of less than 15,000 men.  All were unpaid 
volunteers.

	1934:  turns down offer of position in Augsburg civil service and, 
instead, enlists in the regular service of the SS.  It is his first permanent job.

	1934:  stationed at Dachau as a clerk

	1934-1936: transferred to Esterwegen, another concentration camp

	1936:  Esterwegen closed; transferred back to Dachau

	1937:  transferred to another camp Sachenhausen in charge of the mail

	August 1938:  transferred to Mauthausen as deputy to the commandant

	1940:  serves at Auschwitz as deputy to Hoess

	1940:  sent to special training at Dachau to serve as commanding 
officer of the prisoner sections of concentration camps

	1941:  serves as commanding officer of the prisoner section of 
Natzweiler

	1942 (July): appointed commandant of Natweiler camp.  In August 
1943 Kramer personally supervised to murder of 80 people so that the bodies 
could be used for "scientific research" at the University of Strasbourg.  At his trial 
Kramer was asked how he felt when he was asked to murder 80 people.  He 
stated: "I didn't feel anything.  I received an order to kill the prisoners, and that is 
what I did."

	1944 (May):  appointed commander of Auschwitz II (Birkenau)

	His final post was, of course, the commandant of Bergen-Belsen.

	Source:  "Soldiers of Evil" Tom Segev (McGraw Hill; 1987).  The book 
is a re-writing of Dr. Segev's doctoral thesis in history at Boston University.  It was 
study of the commandants of the concentration camps.

	--YFE


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>   Jean-Francois Beaulieu  writes:

>    Oh, you will say, but there's many other SS who testified about the gas
>  chambers at the Farben trial. Ya. But in this case the situation was different.
>  It can't be said that the were certanly not under cohercition to testify.
>  In spite of the usual attempt of the holo-hoaxers to deny the cases of torture
>  at the malmedy trial, I consider that there is suffisant proofs that were given
>  in the past about it. Of course, if one ask for a video taken secretally at
>  this moment, if it is his standard for a proof, I can't do anything.

	In this case the "suffisant proof" you have is none.  


> Complains
>  were done. Judge Van Roden and Simpson backed the claim


	They most certainly did not.  "This [Simpson] commission and my own 
Administration od Justice Review Board found that improper methods had been 
used to obtain evidence in the Malmedy case.  Members of the prosecution staff 
testified to the use of stage settings, stool pigeons, and similar measures to extract 
evidece.  Extreme brutalities claimed by the prisoners, in manifest self-interest, 
were denied by the prosecution staff and not borne out by other evidence."  
(Lucius Clay)

	

> (see the testimony of
>  Hilberg at the Zuendel trial). US Lawyers who were present at Nuremberg 
backed
>  the charges in articles that were published in the Chicago Tribune at the end
>  of the 40's. Or perhaps someone will claim that the Farben trial and the Malmedy
>  trial are two different things?

	The Simpson Report was made public in the early 1950's.  You quote 
not a word of its findings.  There is a simple reason for that.  It found that not 
torture or physical brutality was used.

	Quote the report.

	--YFE	


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Made from 100% pure Jewess hair
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>   mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt  Giwer) writes:
>  	Now that the human hair myth has fallen again, we are left with the
>  question of just why are there so many reports of the hair being cut from
>  new arrivals.  I have already posted the answer to this one but then the
>  holohuggers again started name calling in order to distract the topic from
>  the lack of of human hair and the well known reason for the hair cutting.

	That is an outright lie.  Two posts were made which refuted your silly 
assertions.  Both quoted from the orders sent to the concentration camps without 
other comment.

	One was: "The prisoner's hair is to be sent to Alex Zink, Fur 
Manufactures, Ltd. Nuremberg.  The company will pay 0.50 marks for every 
kilogram of hair."  Bundesarchiv Koblenz document NS 3 386

	Deal with it, criminal type person.

	--YFE	


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Made from100% pure Jewish Hair
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>   mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt  Giwer) writes:
>  	First I post this message.  And then the holohuggers on failing to provide
>  any such manufactured object, quickly try to shift the subject to soap.
>  Nice try folks.  One more myth down the tubes.  

	. . . . .

>  	It appears all the hair was cut off and shipped to German to be 
destroyed
>  rather than used to make anything.  Tbink of all the doormats not made, all
>  the mattresses not stuffed, all the submariners' socks not made. 

	"The prisoners' hair is to be sent to Alex Zink, Fur Manufacturers, Ltd., 
Nuremberg.  The company will pay 0.50 marks for every kilogram of hair."  
Bundesarchiv Koblenz document NS 3 386

	Why have you not tried to explain this,  criminal type person?

	--YFE



From yawen@enter.net Sun Oct  6 08:48:24 PDT 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon's Question
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:

>  You're an obstinately irrational fellow.

	Certainly I am obstinate but hardly irrational.  The British supplied water.  Ergo it was 
possible to supply water.  The British used the equipment on hand to supply the water.  Ergo it 
was possible for Kramer to have supplied water.

>  The conditions in the camp before 1945
>  were quite different, as you failed to appreciate. 

	Of course, I appreciate the difference.  I also appreciate that the British were able to 
supply water.

> The camp was initially constructed to
>  accomodate 10,000 people at its maximum, not the 60,000 seriously ill people who were
>  later crammed in there during the last 2 months of the war, when Kramer was commandant.
>  This was no fault of his.

	That, indeed, was not his fault.  The issue, however, is his failure to supply food and 
water to the inmates.  He didn't.  The next issue, therefore, was whether or not itwas possible for 
him to do so.  It was.


> Perhaps others less blinded by prejudice than you will recognize the problems
>  facing Kramer, who had this horror dumped in his lap by irresponsible superiors who 
>  themselves were incapable of rectifying the situation they had created and initially
>  misrepresented to him.

	Again.  That is not the issue.  People less prejudiced than you will recognize that the 
issue is how Kramer dealt with the problems dumped in his lap.  He did did not do what it was 
possible for him to do and, as a result, tens of thousands died.

  Also, before these people were crammed into this camp, conditions
>  at Belsen were rather tolerable.  There was enough food and water to go around for
>  everyone.  Allied bombing of railways only aggravated this situation.  Could that have 
>  been their intention?  Finally, for the 10th time, the British supplied the camp with water
>  from their own field kitchens until they pumped water into the camp from
>  the river 5 days later.

	You are inaccurate.  They used water trucks to supply the water for the first five days. 
 The water came from somewhere.  Second, after five days they supplied water using the 
equipment they found at the camp.  Wiggle and squirm all you want.  Kramer could have done 
the same.  Indeed his was trained both in the mechanical and administrative aspects of the 
problem.  He did nothing.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon's Question
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:

>  I asked you to read the testimony which I posted which proves that the British
>  delivered water to the camp from trucks from their field kitchens.  The 
evidence
>  also shows that water was pumped to the camp from the river 5 days later.
>  This is subject is now closed, as is your mind.

	You are distorting the testimony.  The testimony was that they usaed 
water trucks to supply the water.  Moreover the testimony was that they used 
the equipment in the camp to supply water and theat there was no reason that 
Kramer could not have done the same.

	The issue was whether or not could have supplied water.  The 
testimony was that he could have.

	He was guilty.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Demolition of Auschwitz evidence?
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:

>  Yale E. wrote:
>   To date I have not seen an argument -- and this includes your posts, 
>  >  Carlo Mantagno's articles from which they were drawn

>  For the record, I have not read anything Mattogno has written.
> 
>  The verdict is in.  As Moran once stated (and has since backed down) 
>  >  what you are doing is attempting to "appeal."  The burden is upon the 
detractors 
>  >  of the trial. 
  
>  This of course, is ridiculous.  Cases are often reopened and reexamined years
>  after a sentence has been handed down, when new evidence is brought to
>  light or when a judicial proceeding was conducted in flagrant disregard for the
>  rights of the accused.  A few examples of "appeal"
>  I do not hear you complaining about are:
  
>  1.  The Dreyfus Case
>  2.  The Rosenberg Case
>  3.  The Leo Frank Case  

	And, in each case where a case is reopened and reexamined, the 
burden was placed upon the persons making the appeal to present a coherent 
case according to recognized legal principles.  My demand is that you follow 
those basic principles.  You -- and the other deniers I cited -- have not even 
come close.

	My statement was that no appellate judge would even consider the 
case you have presented.  That is something that is obvious.  The deniers of the 
Holocaust depend not on the presentation of new evidence or evidence of a 
flagarant disregard of judicial proceedings but snippets of a trial taken out of 
context.

	Let us educate you with a concrete example.  One of the first 
questions that any appellate judge will ask is what the court below did.  It is 
claimed that the the IMT heard evidence from the Soviets that the nazis 
massacred a number of Polish officers at Katyn Woods.  The threshhold 
question, however, is not the presentation of evidence, but the ruling of the 
court.  In this case the court found that the evidence was not credible and that it 
had not been proven that the nazis committed the crime.  The non-credible 
evidence is, therefore, irrelevant.  You cannot charge that a court is biased 
against you  when they ruled in your favor.  Deniers -- especially Giwer and 
Mantagno consistently make this error.

	The next step is to establish your case.  Again, the denier efforts fail to 
do this.  Remember the burden is upon you to present the evidence.  Look at 
another concrete example.  You have charged that Hoess' confession was 
coerced by physical torture.  When asked for your evidence, your response was 
that you had "a reasonable suspicion."  Sorry, sonny boy, there isn't a judge in 
the United States who would listen to that argument.  Please note, I am not 
saying "believe" the argument.  You would not even get that far.

	The IMT record of the Nuremberg trials (unfortuately the record of 
many of the later trials is not) is publically available.  All you have done so far is 
present some vague and unsupported allegations.

	Come back when you have some evidence.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:

  
>  .  You really ought to do some 
>  >  research at some place other than revisionist web sites.
  
>  I do not get my information from revisionist sites.  Sorry to disappoint you.

	Nor apparently did you do it by reading the Simpson Report.
  
    
>  >  >  "All but two of the Germans in 139 cases we investigated had been 
kicked 
>  >  >  in the testicles beyond repair.  This was standard operating procedure  
with
>  >  >  our American investigators."
  
>  >  	That does not appear in the Simpson Report.  It is a fabrication.  
>  >  Sorry.
  
>  This was stated publicly by the Judge himself and I have the source.

	Odd that you do not post it.  Please cite the page in the Simpson 
report or to any testimony made under oath in which he made such a statement.

	--YFE


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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
> 
>  Great.  Let's address this:  LOL!
>  
>  1.  When you were presented with the testimony of Nysili you asked for 
>  >  his birth certificate.
  
>  I still ask it.  One of your colleagues suggested that I write to Nysili's wife.
>  I am still waiting for the address......Also, who is this mystery man who never
>  even testified in a court of law, but whom you quote with pride?  The
>  "mystery man" whom Filip Mueller admits he plagiarized from....If you are
>  going to produce a credible witness, at least prove he exists!

	blackmore continues to make an idiot of himself.

>  
>  2.  When you were told Hilter read "Der Stuermer" you demanded 
>  >  certifed copies of the subscription records.

>  I still demand it.  You have made a scurrilous accusation.  Prove it.
>  Resorting to hearsay and second hand statements will not suffice.
>  Do not refer me to some man who claims he "heard" Hitler make a
>  remark which cannot be substantiated by other witnesses.

	blackmore continues to make an idiot of himself.  He demonstrates 
further that he has no idea of the meaning of the word 'hearsay" for no such 
testimony has been posted.


>  
>  3.  When you were given a physician's report, you demanded his raw 
>  >  notes.
  
>  What I demanded and still demand are the results of the toxicological
>  tests you claim were conducted upon corpses allegedly gassed at Dachau.
>  I also demanded the written autopsy reports for the same.

	blackmore resorts to lying.  See #4 to see what blackmore would 
have said to someone who would have spent a day or two complying with his 
silly demand.

  
>  4.  When you were given a pathologist's report on a tissue sample, you 
>  >  demanded that the original specimen be produced.
  
>  Does this mean you have located it?


	blackmore admits that he does not accept a pathologist report.  
>  5.   you told us that you had a 
>  >  "reasonable suspicion" and that should be sufficient for anyone.
  
>  I never used those the words "that should be sufficient for anyone".
>  I take it you are referring to the "water" at Belsen?  That is a closed
>  subject as I have said, having already provided you with the evidence
>  10 times over, Counselor.

	blackmore lies again.  The reference was, of course, to his 
unsupported allegation that the Hoess confession was extracted by torture.  
Please note the dishonest editing of my post.  Please note as well that the 
original blackmore allegation was that there was no water available to Kramer 
to supply the inmates he tortured by thirst.  If blackmore has proved anything 
ten times over, it is that he was in error.

	--YFE


  
>  "Lawyers are like beavers: they get in the mainstream and dam it up."-
>  John Naisbitt.
>  
>>>>



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>   jamie@voyager.net (Jamie McCarthy) writes:
>   wrote:

  
>  > I was shocked to see the sort of degrading (to us all) language that they
>  > utilize when speaking of Matt Giwer. Why is this?

>  When you've finished slogging through the man's cheap shots, insanity,
>  spamming, ridicule, hatred, bizarre hypocrisy, trolling, Jew-bashing,
>  and insult after insult after insult after insult after disgusting
>  insult -- nonsense which has continued for almost nine months -- then
>  perhaps you'll understand that intemperate language is quite normal in
>  this instance.  Matt Giwer would try the patience of a saint, and we
>  don't claim to be saints.

	Please note as well, his activities off the newsgroup.  After sending me 
abusive e-mail Giwer was asked to stop.  His reply was the single line "I am tired 
of your shit.  Fuck off."  To emphasize his disregard of the rights of other he 
followed that communication with an e-mail of his anti-Semitic rants.  Giwer' 
account at Netcom was suspended for this (among other reasons).

	Sorry.  To call Giwer pond scum is an insult to pond scum.

	--YFE


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>   mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt  Giwer) writes:
>  On 5 Oct 1996 03:09:36 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

  
>  >	Then you are as ignorant as Moran.  How dare you claim that you 
>  >have gone over the IMT transcripts when you have no knowledge of the 
case 
>  >presented at the trial.  If you did the research that you claim to have done 
you 
>  >would not make such silly mistakes.
>  
>  >	Read a book, asshole.
>  
>  	Listen up, dickless,  There was only one movie.  It was fully discussed 
in
>  this conference.  It was made by the US Army.  

	You are incorrect -- as usual.  I suggest you read a book or two on the 
trial.  I suggest you find out what happened in the court-room on February 19, 
1946.  Perhaps you will also explain why Gilbert in "Nuremberg Diary" devotes 
four pages to the reactions of the defendants to the showing of a film that does 
not exist.

  
>  	Now back to your violation of your oath as an officer of the court, it
>  appears it is correct that on Yom Kippur Jews swear not to be bound by any
>  oath to a gentile.  Otherwise you would be bound by your oath to report my
>  "crime."  

	As haas been pointed out, you criminal,  you are incorrect.
  
>  	But you are violating your oath, dickless.  Perhaps you need a 
refresher
>  course in the responsibilities of an officer of the court.  

	Please give us one.  We need a good laugh.

	--YFE


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>   mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt  Giwer) writes:
>  	The littel jew animal Marduk continues his telephone harrassing calls 
to me
>  and my son's empolyer.  He continues to forge email and netcon.ca 
continues
>  to permit the email harrassment. 

	The person who criminally harassed me and my family with obscene 
e-mail -- and was suspended from his provider for the abuse -- now accuses 
without evidence another person of committing the crimes he perpetrates 
crimes.

	 Note as well that the criminal does not know who is taunting him but 
just knows that it is a Jew. 

>  	Marduk, being the quintessenial holohugger, continues in the activity 
they
>  all know best.  This was best stated by Alec Grynspan when he 
acknowledged
>  his mail bombing but claimed it was other than mailbombing.  

	Actually the best statement was from the criminal who, when asked 
to stop sending e-mail to me and my family replied "I am tired of your shit.  Fuck 
off" followed several days later by an anti-Semitic rant.

  
>  	BTW holohuggers, expect real soon now an entire website devoted 
to
>  hologugger attempts to censor the internet.  I have enough information now
>  to support jewish as the thread of the most common internet abuse.  But I
>  will be patient to get enough information to make clear even to the
>  holohuggers that they can not simply say it is unproven.  


	It should be noted that the criminal has been suspended from two 
internet providers for his abuse.

	--YFE


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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  "Do you have any proof that Germans were tortured in order
>   to extract confessions?"

	The answer, despite 204 lines of hate propaganda against the allies is:

	No, he doesn't.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Hans Muench testimony:a sick joke
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>   Jean-Francois Beaulieu  writes:
>  yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>  > 	They most certainly did not.  "This [Simpson] commission and my own 
>  > Administration od Justice Review Board found that improper methods had been 
>  > used to obtain evidence in the Malmedy case.  Members of the prosecution 
staff 
>  > testified to the use of stage settings, stool pigeons, and similar measures to 
extract 
>  > evidece.  Extreme brutalities claimed by the prisoners, in manifest self-interest, 
>  > were denied by the prosecution staff and not borne out by other evidence."  
>  > (Lucius Clay)

>  > 	The Simpson Report was made public in the early 1950's.  You quote 
>  > not a word of its findings.  There is a simple reason for that.  It found that not 
>  > torture or physical brutality was used.

	
>    So? What you have here is a man (Clay) who decided to deny the charge
>   because they were embarassing.

	You're an ignorant idiot.  When he made that statement Clay was under 
attack for commuting the sentences.  Confirming the alleged brutalities would not 
have been an "embarassment" but the cornerstone of his defense.

 It's like to say that if I complain about
>   a physical agression by someone a week ago my claim is disproved as soon
>   you decide to call me a liar. Obviously most of the prosecution staff
>   wasn't interest to back the charges maden by defendants or defense
>  lawyers months or years after. But there's an exception, a military:
>  (about Dachau)


	Another idiotic statement.  The charges were not made years after.  They 
were made at the trial.  Further the prosecution staff admitted to the improper 
methods of interrogation.

  
>   "When the chief of the Dachau War Crimes Administration branch, Colonel
>    A.H. Rosenfeld, quit his post in 1948 he was asked by newspapermen
>   if there was any truth to the stories about the mock trials, at which
>   sham death sentences had been passed. He replied: "Yes, of course. We 
>   couldn't have made those birds talk otherwise...It was a trick, and it worked
>   like a charm."

	Whish is exactly what the Simpson Commission, Clay, and the Justice 
Review Board stated.  I'm glad you finally agree with the conclusion of everybody 
who investigated the matter.  Improper tricks were used and the convictions of 
those who were subject to those procedures had their sentences commuted.  
Sounds like a fairly good procedure.

	On the other hand, there is no support in your quotation for physical 
torture.

	You are still at zero and sinking fast.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re:The Criminal Giwer Tries to Change the Subject
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>   mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt  Giwer) writes:
>  On 6 Oct 1996 04:27:07 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>  >	You are incorrect -- as usual.  I suggest you read a book or two on the 
>  >trial.  I suggest you find out what happened in the court-room on February 19, 
>  >1946.  Perhaps you will also explain why Gilbert in "Nuremberg Diary" 
devotes 
>  >four pages to the reactions of the defendants to the showing of a film that 
does 
>  >not exist.

>  	I was unaware that an officer of the court in Pennsylvania can have
>  knowledge of a crime and refuse to report it.  Please confirm this,
>  dickless.  

	You are unaware of many things.  Including what happened in the 
Nuremberg courtroom on Februrary 19, 1946.

>  
>  	Or at least have the honesty to admit that your claim that I have 
committed
>  a crime is your contrived libel.  

	After being requested not to send me e-mail the criminal Giwer sent the 
following obscene message to me and my family "I am tired of your shit.  Fuck 
off."  That is harassment by communication.  Several days later the criminal 
Giwer did so again by sending me and my family and anti-Semitic rant.  This is, 
again, harassment by communication.  The harassment was further ethnic 
intimidation under the law of Pennsylvania.

	In other words the criminal Giwer is a criminal.
  
>  	You constructed your own rock and hard place and put yourself in the
>  middle.  You have just repeated it.  

	The only one in a dilemma here is the criminal Giwer.


  
>  	You are either libeling me or violating your oath as an officer of the
>  court.  Or you are not an officer of the court as I have always maintained.

	Since there is no such requirement on a lawyer.  In fact, a lawyer is 
prohibited from reporting crimes under many circumstances, the criminal Giwer is 
blowing smoke.

	The proof of this is that he has taken no action.

	To date the number of "revisionists" who have told the criminal Giwer 
that criminal harassment is not part of their program is:

	zero.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: The Criminal Giwer is Delusional
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>   mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt  Giwer) writes:

>  	We have been over this. 

	Translation: the criminal Giwer has lied and now wants everybody to 
believe it.

 YFE refuses to comply with his oath because he is
>  a Jew and does not have to honor his oaths.  That is clear from his posts
>  in claiming I have committed a crime yet refusing to report me crime as his
>  oath as an officer of court requires.

	Tranlation: the criminal Giwer does not know what he's talking about but 
expects everybody to believe he does. Please note that the "oath" Giwer claims 
exists is in direct contradiction to the Code of Professional Conduct.

	[the criminal Giwer's anti-Semitic rant snipped]

	If you disagree with the criminal Giwer, here is the type of obscene 
e-mail you and your family can expect to receive:

	"I am tired of your shit.  Fuck off"

	And, to date, not a single "revisionist" has made a comment.

	--YFE



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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: The Criminal Giwer Lies Again
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>   mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt  Giwer) writes:
>  On 6 Oct 1996 03:51:30 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>  
>  >>   jamie@voyager.net (Jamie McCarthy) writes:

>  >>  When you've finished slogging through the man's cheap shots, insanity,
>  >>  spamming, ridicule, hatred, bizarre hypocrisy, trolling, Jew-bashing,
>  >>  and insult after insult after insult after insult after disgusting
>  >>  insult -- nonsense which has continued for almost nine months -- then
>  >>  perhaps you'll understand that intemperate language is quite normal in
>  >>  this instance.  Matt Giwer would try the patience of a saint, and we
>  >>  don't claim to be saints.
  
>  >	Please note as well, his activities off the newsgroup.  After sending me 
>  >abusive e-mail Giwer was asked to stop.  His reply was the single line "I am tired 
>  >of your shit.  Fuck off."  To emphasize his disregard of the rights of other he 
>  >followed that communication with an e-mail of his anti-Semitic rants.  Giwer' 
>  >account at Netcom was suspended for this (among other reasons).
>  
>  >	Sorry.  To call Giwer pond scum is an insult to pond scum.
>  
>  	Let us keep this straight, you are in violation of your oath as an officer
>  of the court or you are lying.  

	What oath, criminal.  Please tell me all about it.

	Thoise who keep track of such things should note that the criminal Giwer 
has never denied that he sent me and my family obscene and anti-Semitic e-mail after 
being requersted not to e-mail me.

	The number of "revisionists" to date that have disparged such criminal 
harassment is:

	None.

	Draw your own conclusions.

	--YFE

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt  Giwer) writes:
>  On 5 Oct 1996 04:27:49 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>  >>   mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt  Giwer) writes:
  
>  >>  	Which begs the question as to why the IMT received so few 
>  >non-jewish
>  >>  reports.  We are also left to wonder why the jew, non-jew breakout of the
>  >>  total was not in the literature prior to the change.  
  
>  >	It was.  But then, you have now admitted that you are unaware of 
>  >the evidence presented at the IMT.
  
>  	No need to listen to a dickless oath violater such as yourself.  

	Please noite that the criminal Giwer does not dispute the fact that he 
is ignorant of the evidence presented at Nurember.

	Number of "revisionists" who have told the criminal Giwer that criminal 
harassment is naughty:

	A number less than one.

	Draw your own conclusions.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt  Giwer) writes:
>  On 6 Oct 1996 15:11:12 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>  >	The person who criminally harassed me and my family with obscene 
>  >e-mail -- and was suspended from his provider for the abuse -- now accuses 
>  >without evidence another person of committing the crimes he perpetrates 
>  >crimes.
  
>  	Report the crime or resign as an officer of the court.  

	

  
>  	You can not ethically continue as an officer of the court unless you are 
a
>  jew ... which is redundtant.  

	Please note that the criminal Giwer does not deny he criminally 
harassed me and my family.

	The number of "revisionists" who have to date noted that the criminal 
Giwer's violation of the criminal law is part of their debating technique:

	Nada.

	Draw your own conclusions.

	--YFE


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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes:

>  >  And where is this "special filtering apparatus" mentioned?
  
>  Need it have been mentioned?  Use your God-given common sense
>  Sometimes there is more than meets the eye......

	Yes, if you want us to believe it is not a fabrication.  That is called 
proof.

	I suggest you use your common sense.  A man on trial for his life claims 
that he thought the water was polluted and could not be used.  The evidence 
says otherwise.  The witness states that he used the material in the camp to 
get the water running and that there was no reason thatKramer could not 
have done so.  The evidence fails on simple cross-examination.  Why did 
Kramer's counsel fail to demolish this testimony either with cross-examination or 
testimony -- which could have come from Kramer -- in his case.

	The common sense answer is simple.  he "special filtration" is a 
fabrication.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Dr. Hans W. Muench Testifies About Auschwitz
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:

>  >  >  >  rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >  >  >  
>  >  >  >  # dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes:
>  >  >  >  ##  Q. What was your first impression of Auschwitz when you arrived?
>  >  >  >  
>  >  >  >  # Whatever his interrogators told him.
  
>  >  >  I am not familiar with the interview given by Muench.  Perhaps you would 
care to
>  >  >  post it along with his previous court testimony, so we may all examine it?
  
>  >  	Then why did you claim it was fraudulent?

>  I didn't say it was fraudulent.  You said I said it was fraudulent.

	You stated that he said whatever his interrogators told him.  That is a 
claim that the interview was fraudulent.

	You are becoming another Giwer.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: 1 Question for Milton, Ken, Andrew, Joel, Les, Rich, George, Ron, and other WPNG Regulars.
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>   mike@aimetering.com (Mike Curtis) writes:
>  fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu (Fragano Ledgister) wrote:

>  >The absence of anti-semitism in Mussolini's Italy and Franco's
>  >Spain, 
  
>  I wouldn't go so far as to claim that there was an absence of
>  antisemitism in these two areas.

	The introduction to an excellent cookbook -- Edda Servi Machen's 
"The Classic Cuisine of the Italian Jews"  (1981) provides an interesting memoir 
of Jewish life in pre-war Italy.  According to Machen:

	"Until the lamentable say of Mussolini's alliance with Hitler.[1936] our 
life in Pitigliano had been as integrated and as happy, or unhappy, as anyone 
else's.  By the end of the 1920s the urge to conform was so prevalent among the 
Jews of italy that our private schools had closed down to hasten assimilation.  
The Jewish children now walked to public school with the other children, played 
and did homework with them, made 'best friends' with Jews or Christians 
depending only on affinities, common interests, and academic capabilities."  . . . . 
. By the end of the summer of 1938, right before the reopening of the schools, 
the first law against the Jews was issued and enforced: all the Jewish children 
were banned from public schools and universities.  . . . . . One anti-Semitic law 
followed  the other and eventually all our civil rights were stripped from us."

	pages 35-36

	--YFE


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>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:

>  	I wonder if Justice Jackson could have been talking about some
>  words spoken similar to this:

>  "The Nuremberg Trials ... had been popular throughout the world and
>  particularly in the United States. Equally popular was the sentence
>  already announced by the high tribunal: death. But what kind of trial
>  was this? ...The Constitution was not a collection of loosely given
>  political promises subject to broad interpretation. It was not a list
>  of pleasing platitudes to be set lightly aside when expediency
>  required it. It was the foundation of the American system of law and
>  justice and [Robert Taft] was repelled by the picture of his country
>  discarding those Constitutional precepts in order to punish a
>  vanquished enemy." 
  
>  -- U.S. President, John F. Kennedy 
>  John Kennedy, Profiles in Courage (New York: Harper and Row, 1964),
>  p.189-190. 
  
>  	At the very least, Nizkor mentality offers up the statement by
>  Jackson as a authority of opinion. And so, here is John F. Kennedy. 
>  	Then there are considerable others that have expressed similar
>  words as his.

	Actually JFK did *not* state that this was his opinion.  In fact, he 
specifically states that this was solely a quotation of Taft's opinion.  Too bad you 
continue to quote a source without reading it.

	It makes you look stupid and dishonest.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   mgiwer@worldnet.att.net, a/k/a the criminal Giwer:
>  On 7 Oct 1996 13:17:11 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>  
>  >>   mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt  Giwer) writes:
>  >	After being requested not to send me e-mail the criminal Giwer sent the 
>  >following obscene message to me and my family "I am tired of your shit.  Fuck 
>  >off."  That is harassment by communication.  Several days later the criminal 
>  >Giwer did so again by sending me and my family and anti-Semitic rant.  This is, 
>  >again, harassment by communication.  The harassment was further ethnic 
>  >intimidation under the law of Pennsylvania.
>  
>  >	In other words the criminal Giwer is a criminal.
>  >	To date the number of "revisionists" who have told the criminal Giwer 
>  >that criminal harassment is not part of their program is:
  
>  >	zero.
  
>  	Keep up your lying, dickless.  

	Apparently the criminal Giwer is now stating that other "revisionists" 
have objected to his illegal shenanigans.  I am heartened to hear that not all are so 
lost to reason that they approve of the criminal Giwer by their silence.  If true -- and 
since it comes from the criminal Giwer there is no reason to believe it -- they have 
done so privately.  I would have hoped that they would have done so publically.  I 
will, nevertheless, take the million to one shot that the criminal Giwer is not lying 
and amend my statement:

	To date the number of "revisionists" who have publically told the 
criminal Giwer that criminal harassment is not part of their program is:

	Zero.

	Draw your own conclusions.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Nazi Persecution and Murder of Polish Priests
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>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:
>  
>  >Extract from charge number 17 made by the Polish government against
>  >the defendants indicted before the International Military Tribunal
>  >[Trial of Major War Criminals, Vol. XXXII, p. 134-135]
>  >---------------------------------------------------------------
>  
>  	I would bet there is very little else behind this "extract" as to
>  what the Poles submitted in support of the 'evidence' introduced at
>  Nuremberg.
>  
>>>>
	Since you are unaware of the evidence that was produced at 
Nuremberg, your assertion is nonsense.

	Par for the course with you.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: DAVID IRVING to tour Australia????
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>   zenoink@ix.netcom.com(Zenoink) writes:

  
>  The fact seems to be that Irving has a bad reputation and no one is
>  very clear about exactly why.  However, having pointed him out as a
>  target no one is willing to back off (certainly Irving himself does not
>  make it easy to do so.)
  
>  All this just makes me, as a student of social movements, that much
>  more interested in understanding exactly how this reputation developed.

>  If readers do know something more about the origins of Irving's
>  disrepute I would appreciate your sharing it.   

	Part of teh reputation might stem from the publicity surrounding his first 
libel trial in which he accused a British naval figure of dereliction of duty.  Irving's 
behavior during the "Hitler diaries" controversy also left a him with a tattered 
reputation as a publicity hound.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: The Criminal Giwer Lies Again
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>   mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt  Giwer) writes:

>  >>  	Let us keep this straight, you are in violation of your oath as an officer
>  >>  of the court or you are lying.  
  
>  >	What oath, criminal.  Please tell me all about it.
  
>  	The one you took, jew.  

	In other words the criminal Giwer does not know what he's talking 
about.  There is no such provision in any oath and, if it did it would be in flat 
contradiction to the Code of Professional Responsibility.

	That's what you can expect from a criminal confronted with his criminal 
activity.

	--YFE


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Article: 72526 of alt.revisionism
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon's Question
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>   mcurtis@inetport.com (Mike Curtis) writes:
>  rblackmore@juno.com wrote:

>  >  The water was NOT pumped in from the river until FIVE days
>  >later, after they had scrounged throughout the camp for equipment.  For an 
attorney,
>  >you really are making yourself look ridiculous here.  Go get a cup of coffee, 
wake
>  >up, read the testimony which confirms what I just told you, and then get back 
to me.
  
>  Provide the proper citation for us all. The absence of this particular
>  citation and your refusal to do so is becoming telling.

	The really strange part is the utter mutability of blackmore's claim.  He 
started it, all fire and brimstone, claiming that Kramer was innocent becasue it was 
impossible to provide water to the inmates.  He is now reduced to the claim that 
the British did not supply potable water using the camp's equipment until five days 
after they arrived.

	This is nothing more or less than a tacit admission that his original 
defense of Kramer is untenable.  In the interim he has engaged in baseless 
speculation, ipse dixit argument, and ad hominem attacks on those who do not 
share his religious beliefs.  Altogether a rather pitful performance.

	Another Giwer.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Dr. Hans W. Muench Testifies About Auschwitz
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:


>  The Statements of Judge van Roden were quoted 
>  from:
  
>  The High Cost of Vengeance, by Freda Utley,
>  HENRY REGNERY CO., 1949, Chicago
>  Illinois.  They concerned public comments
>  made by the Judge before the Chester Pike Rotary
>  Club on December 14, 1948.
  
>  Be sure to remember this the next time you accuse
>  me of never providing sources.

	A secondary source.  No good.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Dr. Hans W. Muench Testifies About Auschwitz
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
      
>  >  >  >  >  "All but two of the Germans in 139 cases we investigated had been 
>  >  kicked 
>  >  >  >  >  in the testicles beyond repair.  This was standard operating procedure 
 
>  >  with
>  >  >  >  >  our American investigators."
    
>  >  >  >  	That does not appear in the Simpson Report.  It is a 
fabrication.  
>  >  >  >  Sorry.
    
>  >  >  This was stated publicly by the Judge himself and I have the source.
  
>  >  	Odd that you do not post it.  Please cite the page in the Simpson 
>  >  report or to any testimony made under oath in which he made such a 
statement.

>  It is already posted.

	The request was to post his comments in the Simpson Report or 
testimony under oath.  You have not even quoted him directly.  You gave a 
hearsay account of a speech before a Rotary Club.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:

>  >  3.  When you were given a physician's report, you demanded his raw 
>  >  >  >  notes.
>  >    
>  >  >  What I demanded and still demand are the results of the toxicological
>  >  >  tests you claim were conducted upon corpses allegedly gassed at Dachau.
>  >  >  I also demanded the written autopsy reports for the same.
>  >  
>  >  	blackmore resorts to lying.  

>  A silly demand:  Yale Edeiken says that autopsy reports
>  were conducted on people who were allegedly gassed
>  at Dachau.  Yale also says that toxicological tests were
>  undertaken.  Yale offered to produce these reports.  I asked
>  for them.  Yale never produced them.  Yale now calls me an
>  idiot.

	Liar.  I told you autopsies were performed and toxicological tests made.  
They were.  You were given a pathologist's report and told where to find the 
original.  You have been too lazy to check for yourself.

  
>  blackmore admits that he does not accept a pathologist report.  
>  >  >  5.   you told us that you had a 
>  >  >  >  "reasonable suspicion" and that should be sufficient for anyone.
  
>  I don't accept his word for anything, less do I accept your word, seeing
>  that you stated these reports were undertaken and then refused to post
>  them.  Why don't you just say that you have seen unicorns and you will
>  produce them as well?

	Then prove him wrong.  I producd the report of the pathologist and told 
you to do your own research.
   
>   The reference was, of course, to his 
>  >  unsupported allegation that the Hoess confession was extracted by torture. 
  
>  This has been proven time and time again, but not for
>  Yale Edeiken and R. Gandhi.  Perhaps they ought to 
>  double date and discuss strategies.

	Nor for the rest of the world.  The proof in this case is blackmore's 
"reasonable suspicion."

>  Note:  Yale calls himslf a lyer, I mean lawyer.

	Note the proven lies of blackmore.

	--YFE


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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:

>  >  : What is the relevance of his birth certificate?
  
>  Let's first prove he existed before we quote from his book.  This "witness"
>  NEVER testified in front of an allied court.  No historian from the west
>  ever met him or conducted an interview with him.

	You are incorrect.  Nysli was known to other physicians at Auschwitz.  
Further he gave a deposition in 1945.



  
>  >  Perhaps you should produce yours, so we know you exist and are not just a
>  >  denier bot.
  
>  I haven't made criminal accusations against people.


	You most certainly have.  As one example you have, falsely, accused  
the investigators of the Malmedy massacre of phsyically torturing German soldiers to 
extract confessions.

	--YFE


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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:

>  >  :>Prove that I have done this.  I ALWAYS provide a source when I am 
asked,
>  >  :>and I NEVER misquote.  Prove that I have-this is your chance-you are 
now on center
>  >  :>stage and the spotlight is on you.......

>  No.  Your general comments do not suffice.  Please give explicit
>  examples.  Do not refer to posts that will take me a while to 
>  research and for which you have been advised in advance.

	You have presented -- in quotation marks -- a statement allegedly 
made by Leroy "the Mace" Van Roden.  You have been asked several times for 
a citation. You have yet to provide it.

	If we take your remarks at face value, you post quotations and then 
research them.  Most people do it the other way around.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Just for the fun of it...
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:

>  >  >  "Do you have any proof that Germans were tortured in order
>  >  >   to extract confessions?"
  
>  >  	The answer, despite 204 lines of hate propaganda against the allies is:
  
>  >  	No, he doesn't.

>  You ARE a fool after all.  Don't forget about your "hate
>  propaganda " against germans.  It is people like you who
>  shall make revisionism an overwhelming success.  Keep up the
>  good work.

	blackmore still does not have any evidence.

	--YFE


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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:

>  >  Of course they will.  In the vain hope that no one will recognize Stumpy's
>  >  phoney rubbish, except that it didn't work.  Mr. "Blackmore" is revealing
>  >  himself as a pretty pathetic researcher.  We will soon see how he is in the
>  >  invective department, likely preceded by a healthy dose of "la vierge
>  >  offensee".

>  Why don't you just deal with the documents, rather than stumpy
>  or anyone else.  This is one of your main faults and your weakest
>  points....you NEVER deal with uncomfortable documentation which
>  shows you to possess double standards.  If the material is false, simply
>  say so and prove WHY.

	Been there.  Done that.  The Simpson report says no physical 
brutalities were inflicted upon the defendants at the Dachau trials.  Those who 
signed off on that report include Leroy "the Mace" Van Roden.  The authors of 
the report were later called before two congressional investigative committees -- 
one known for its hostility to the War Department -- and stuck by their 
conclusions under oatth.

	You are the one who is claiming that they were incorrect and that Clay 
was lying.

	Where is your proof?

	--YFE


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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:

>  
>  Transports do not equal murder.  Many German Jews were deported
>  to Riga.

	Where they were murdered.

	--YFE


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>   Walt Hingerty  writes:
>  I dont have an agenda. But I am curious about something. What is the
>  legal status of Palestinians who are born within the borders of Israel.

	They are citizens of Israel.

>  Are they considered Israeli citizens?

	Yes.
> Are they allowed to vote or serve
>  in the military?

	Yesw and yes.  There are Palestinian members of Israel's parliament, 
the Knesset.

> What is the status of Arabic Christians or Europaen
>  Christians who are also born and live in Israel? I have heard that only
>  persons of the Hebrew faith have full civil rights in Israel. Is this
>  so? Thanks in advance. walt

	Whoever told you that is wrong.

	--YFE


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>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:

  
>  	This is the way the Jews like it. The gang bang technique. Afraid
>  to face it one on one or on equal footing.   

	And who has written this?

	The classic coward.  The little boy who refuses to stand behind what 
he writes.

	I have publically stated that T. Moran is a liar and an anti-Semite.  
Moran thereafter challenged me to prove it.  I accepted.

	I offered to prove that Moran was a liar and an anti-Semite before an 
impartial tribunal which, by out common agreement could listen to the evidence 
and make a decision.  Aside from some procedural niceties, the only condition 
that I placed on my acceptance was that the loser would pay the cost of the 
arbitration including the arbitrator's fees and transcription costs.

	Moran has never answered.  Indeed he has lied about it several times.

	The next time you read something like this by Moran, pelase remember 
that it comes from a coward who does not stand behind the words he writes.

	--YFE


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>   Jean-Francois Beaulieu  writes:
>  yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>  
>  
>  >>  >    The Simpson Report was made public in the early 1950's.  You quote
>  >>  > not a word of its findings.  There is a simple reason for that.  It found that 
not
>  >>  > torture or physical brutality was used.
>  
>  
>  >>    So? What you have here is a man (Clay) who decided to deny the charge
>  >>   because they were embarassing.
>  
>  >        You're an ignorant idiot.  When he made that statement Clay was under
>  >attack for commuting the sentences.  Confirming the alleged brutalities would 
not
>  >have been an "embarassment" but the cornerstone of his defense.
>  
>      I don't see it that way.

	Sorry, that is the fact.



> A man can be under attack for something he did
>  previously and decide to not displease more those who attack him by such 
kind
>  of confirmation. In all the cases what you state now is that because the prose-
>  cution staff denied what the lawyer who were in contact with inmates during
>  those trials stated, while it is indirectly or directly 'friends' of the
>  prosecution which was under attack, then the case is disprooved!

	That is an outright lie.  In fact, it is several.  Clay stated that the 
prosecutors denied it (after admitting other irregularities) and that it was not borne 
out by other evidence.


>   Christie produced an article in The Progressive written by Judge Edward L.
>   Van Roden in February of 1949 eentitled "American Atrocities in Germany"
>   where van Roden had written: American investigators at the U.S. Court in
>   Dachau, Germany, used the following methods to obtain confessions: 
Beatings
>   and brutal kickings. Knocking out teeth and breaking jaws. Mock trials.
>   Solitary confinement. Posturing as priests. Very limited rations. Spiritual
>   deprivation. Promises of acquittal. Complaints concerning these third degree
>   methods were received by Secretary of the Army Kenneth
>   Royall last Spring.

	Van Roden signed off on the Simpson Report in which all such 
brutalities were denied.

>    Was that a false statement?, asked Christie.
>   "I could not confirm or deny it," said Hilberg, "because it's the first time
>   I am looking at it, and I have no independent knowledge of what happened." 

	So?


>   wrote: This commission, consisting of Judges Simpson and Van Roden, and 
Colonel
>   Laurenzen had reported among other things that of the 139 cases they had
>   investigated 137 had had their testicles permanently destroyed by kicks 
received from
>   the American War Crimes Investigation team. Hilberg testified that he had not

	The report does not say that.


>   I cannot have read all the existing stuff on earth about this, there was many
>  trials and some transcripts of these ones are as long as 25,000 pages. I
>  read some parts of the Farben trial's transcripts, and some other parts of
>  the NMT main trial, plus  several books, that's all. I never read the transcripts
>  of the Dachau trial or the Malmedy trials directly. Butz stated that the review
>  board confirmed all that Van Roden claimed, taking exception only in respect
>  to the frequencies of the brutalities but that in his book 'Decision in Germany'
>  Clay denies the brutalities, in contradiction with his own review board.

	Another lie.  Clay denies them with the Simpson Report.  No one is 
asking you to read enite transcripts of trials.  The SImpson Report is public.  Read 
it.









 
>   Your whole point his to say that the prosecution's word was pure truth or
>  that Clay couldn't have juge that it was not a good approach when there was
>  an anti-nazi hystery in the public opinion to not appear as a kind of 'nazi
>  apologist'.  So this mean the those people in Nuremberg decided to lie seve-
>  ral years after the trials or that the defendant who confessed what was expec-
>  ted from them in court lied systematically on a large scale to give a coherent
>  story in private conversations with there lawyers? Explain please...

	Sure.  You have not read the Simpson Report.  You have lied about 
what Clay said.  You have lied about his political posture.

	Typical denier.

	--YFE


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>   mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt  Giwer) writes:
>  On 8 Oct 1996 22:28:40 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>  >>  	You mean you are still holding to your position that they all had their
>  >>  attorneys present during all questioning?  
  
>  >	Liar.  I have never stated that.
  
>  	I thought you stated the accused were given fair trials?  What that 
someone
>  else?  

	Liar.  In case you were too drunk to notice we are talking about the 
Malmedy trials.  I have posted specific statements and government investigations 
that indicate that there were irregularities at those trials.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) writes:
>  
>  (Irrelevant drivel)
>  >  
>  >>>>
>  But the lie of 4 million Jewish "gassed" at Auschwitz
>  was officially chiseled out of the massive slabs in front
>  of the Auschwitz Museum in 1994!  Let's talk about that 
>  one for a while.
>  
>>>>
	There was never a statement in front of the Auschwitz Musuem that 
4,000,000 Jew were gassed there.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt  Giwer) writes:
>  	Watching the documentary NUREMBERG on the Discovery Channel.

>  	It was hardly anything approaching a complete record of any kind but 
the
>  out-takes made some things quite clear.  If those charged had defense
>  counsel they counsel either slept through the questioning or were not
>  permitting to object to leading questions, the prosecutions giving
>  testimony, and a host of other things that would result in a successful
>  appeal in a fair trial.  
  
>  	Almost every question shown would result in a sustained objection in a 
fair
>  trial.  

	Before someone comments on a subject, it is usually helpful to have 
some knowledge.  You are, as has been shown here repeatedly, so ignorant of 
the law of evidence that your pronoucements are hot air.  You are, as has also 
been domonstrated, ignorant of the standards of review on appeal.  You are, as 
has also been demonstrated, also ignorant of the evidence presented at the 
trial.

	It should be noted, as well, that you fail to giver either a historical or 
legal citation for you "opinion."  The reason is simple, you can't.

	--YFE


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>  the criminal  mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt  Giwer) liers again:
  
>  	I guess you are going to first have to direct me to the records of these
>  1.5 million.  I asked after such records earlier this year and I was
>  informed there were no such records.  

	The criminal Giwer is lying again.  He was told where the records could 
be found.  He was even told that enlargements of some of them are on display at 
the Houston Holocaust Museum.  The criminal was told that the records are not 
complete.  He now chooses to lie about what he was told.

	--YFE


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>   mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt  Giwer) writes:
>  On 10 Oct 1996 22:58:21 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
  
>  >>   mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt  Giwer) in a thread questioning whether the 
Malmedy defendants were tortured:

>  >>  >>  	You mean you are still holding to your position that they all 
had their
>  >>  >>  attorneys present during all questioning?  

  
>  >	Liar.  In case you were too drunk to notice we are talking about the 
>  >Malmedy trials.  I have posted specific statements and government 
investigations 
>  >that indicate that there were irregularities at those trials.
  
>  	Gee, and I was talking about Nuremberg, which you also swore on your 
oath
>  as an honorable man was a fair trial under the rules of US law.  

	You are either lying or too drunk to be taken seriously.  If you think that 
there were reversible errors at Nuremberg please make a case of it.  So far you 
have posted nothing that an appeals court would even bother considering.  You 
have stated that your opinion is that no fair trial was given.  You have yet to 
support this with either full citations of the record or a recitation of legal principle 
that would support your contention.

	The burden, as in any appeal, is upon you.  Please try to present your 
position in a coherent manner.  Given your criminal tendencies, it might be good 
practice for the future.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Fri Oct 11 21:07:46 PDT 1996
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>   mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt  Giwer) writes:

>  >mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt  Giwer) writes:
  
>  ># When I find out who is making the harrassing phone calls,

>  	Too bad they have been found, the three jews who have been behind 
this.
>  You have read the post, have you not?  Internic does not lie.  

>  	How about I have their names?  

	The Criminal Giwer gets in deeper and deeper.  At first he states 
"When I find out . . . ."  Less than a day later he states that "I have their 
names."  Perhaps the Criminal Giwer should reveal the names of the persons to 
whom he has made death threats.  No doubt that post will be as humorous as 
the last time he made his unfounded accusations.	

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:

>  >  	The request was to post his comments in the Simpson Report or 
>  >  testimony under oath.  You have not even quoted him directly.  You gave a 
>  >  hearsay account of a speech before a Rotary Club.

>  >>His speech was quoted verbatim.  Live with it.>>

	In other words, hearsay.  Pure and simple.

	There is an official report of Van Roden's investigations.  He also gave 
testimony under oath.  They both contradict what your secondary source claims 
he said.  Live with that.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:

>  Judge Edward L. van Roden revealed the methods by which Nazis "admissions" 
were secured:
>  British Newspaper _Sunday Pictorial_, January 23rd, 1949.    _Washington Daily 
News_,
>  January 9th, 1949, 

	Written before the public release of the Simpson Report.  The quoted 
statements are found nowhere in the report.
  
>  Judge Edward L. van Roden was one of the three-member Simpson Army 
Commission subseqently
>  appointed to investigate the methods of justice at the Dachau trials.  

	The Simpson Report found that the allegations of physical brutality 
against the Malmedy defendants (and the investigation was limited to those trials) 
were unfounded.  No medical evidence of such torture was found when the 
persons making those allegations were examined.

	--YFE



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>   kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:

  
>  Judge Edward L. van Roden revealed the methods by which Nazis 
"admissions" were secured:


>  Judge Edward L. van Roden was one of the three-member Simpson Army 
Commission subseqently
>  appointed to investigate the methods of justice at the Dachau trials.  

	And the commission found that the allegations of physical brutality 
were not true.  Van Roden signed off on the report.  The report was made public 
during Congressional investigations in the early 1950's.  I note that you citer 
neither the report or any story from anyone who read the report.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:
>  yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>  
>  >	You have failed to present a single fact indicating that Hoess was tortured 
>  >into giving a confession.
>  
>  >	--YFE
>  
>  Judge Edward L. van Roden reveals the methods by which Nazis "admissions" were 
secured:

	Hoess was never held by the Americans.  Hoess was never accused of 
participating in the Malmedy massacre.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:

>  >  	There was never a statement in front of the Auschwitz Musuem that 
>  >  4,000,000 Jew were gassed there.

>  You stepped in it that time.  The inscription clearly
>  stated that 4 million Jews died in Auschwitz.  Whether
>  gassed or shot, or from disease, the LIE remains the same.

	You are correct: the lie remains the same.  In this case the "revisionist" 
lie.  The placque never stated  that "4,000,000 Jews died at Auschwitz."

	It's very easy to dispute this: quote the placque.

	`--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   rajiv_gandhi@bc.sympatico.ca (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes:

>  >  >> There was never a statement in front of the Auschwitz Musuem that 
>  >  >> 4,000,000 Jew were gassed there.

>  >  Of course you can point to the page where there is such a reference, 
since
>  >  I could find no page which says there was a massive slab on front of the
>  >  museum which claimed that 4 million Jews were gassed.

>  You are showing yourself more the fool every
>  day.  The 19 stone tablets referred to 4 million
>  Jews who allegedly died there.  They need not
>  have mentioned gassing.  It was a lie any way
>  you choose to interpret it.  BTW, you may now
>  add these 19 stone slabs to the discovery channel,
>  WWII magazine, and the Pictorial History of the 
>  Jewish People--and more is on the way.  When
>  you walk in the snow, you cannot hide your tracks.....

	There was no such placque or series of slabs.

	This is just another demonstration of how the "revisionists" lie.

	--YFE


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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:

>  >  	YFE noted as a matter of fact:

>  >  >  >	There was never a statement in front of the Auschwitz Musuem that 
>  >  >  >4,000,000 Jew were gassed there.
>  For the record there were actually 19 of these
>  massive stone slabs in front of Auschwitz which
>  publicly had the false figure of 4,000,000 Jewish
>  dead chisled out in July 1990.

	For the record blackmore is caught in another of his lies.  There was never 
any representation at Auschwitz that 4,000,000 Jews died there.  Note that he 
cannot quote the language of such a monument.

	Another "revisionist" caught with his honesty around his knees.

	--YFE

	


From yawen@enter.net Sun Oct 13 08:50:53 PDT 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   karlpov@access5.digex.net (Charles R.L. Power) writes:
>  >  >>  >It must be clearly understood that the entire Holocaust-gassing myths

>  >  You've documented the "torture" of Hoess--the Allies made him sit
>  >  in a courtroom festooned with U.S. flags. If you have better 
>  >  references, don't hesitate to post them. In the meantime, perhaps
>  >  you will refrain from pontificating on what "must be clearly
>  >  understood".

>  They have been posted many times over.  Learn to
>  browse a bit.

	Yes.  Your "evidence" was a "reasonable suspicion."  You have 
poste nothing else concerning his treatment at the time he confessed or when 
he wrote his memoirs.

	--YFE


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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:


>  More of Dan's equivocating.  Typhus was ALWAYS a
>  problem in the camps, and the administration was always
>  having to contend with it.  They did not have the benefit
>  of DDT as we did here.

	Typhus was a problem because the nazis who ran the camps allowed it 
to be a problem.  Moreover, the problem of controlling typhus was solved long 
before the invention of DDT.  The last typhus outbreak in the United States was in 
New York City 1921.  That is far more of a public health problem than an outbreak 
in a confined camp.  It was controlled in a matter of weeks.  There was no problem 
with typhus in POW camps in Germany and Austria in WWI even at the end of the 
war when the infrastructure of the central powers was as poor as it was in 1945.  
This was also before the development of DDT.

	According to the CDC the number of deaths due to typhus in the United 
States in the 20th century is: 541.

	How many died of typhus in the KZ?

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: WAS SS OFFICER KURT GERSTEIN KICKED TO DEATH?
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>   Jeffrey  writes:
>  
>  "On April 26th 1945, an American Intelligence team discovered a German
>  Civilian living in a hotel at Rottweil in the Black forest. He was Kurt
>  Gerstein, a 34 year old mining assessor and former director of the
>  Dusseldorf firm, Lihmon-Fuime. Gerstein handed the Americans a statement
>  of seven pages, typed in French, together with those gas bills that were
>  to appear at nuremberg, and then vanished from history." 

>  "It was alleged at the Peters Trial that Gerstein was arrested by the
>  French and that he hanged himself in his cell at Fresnes prison in July
>  1945. But Gerstein's widow was informed by the Red Cross four years
>  later that the circumstances of his death in the prison had not been
>  established. 
>  [HE WAS DEAD, BUT HOW?]

	Gerstein attempted several times to inform the world as to what was 
happening in the extermination camps.  Most notably on August 20, 1942, he 
attempted to inform Swedish consul Baron Goran von Otter.  His efforts to 
communicate with the Allies (he was not believed) are well-established by 
contemporary documents.  Stumpy is wrong as well about his statement, he 
typed two statements one in French and one in German.  There is no question 
about either his mental condition after his arrest or the fact that he committed 
suicide.

	Several books have been written about Gerstein.  The first, in German, 
was written by a close firend Helmut Franz ("Kurt Gerstein"  Zurich 1964).  Later 
two biographies were written in French: Saul Friedlander: "Kurt Gerstein -- The 
Ambiguity of Good" (tranlated and published in English, 1969) and  Pierre Joffroy 
"A Spy for God -- The Ordeal of Kurt Gerstein (tranlated and published in English 
1970)

	The Gerstein  family cooperated with Joffroy.  His mental condition and 
suicide were described in detail on pages 246-66 of the American edition.

  
>  During the International Nuremberg Trial, Gerstein was considered to be
>  alive, and the defence had the right to demand that he be produced in
>  court. His unsworn statement could not therefore be produced in
>  evidence. 

	Gerstein committed suicide long before the Nuremberg trials began.

	--YFE  



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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:

>  >>>> But the lie of 4 million Jewish "gassed" at Auschwitz
>  >>>> was officially chiseled out of the massive slabs in front
>  >>>> of the Auschwitz Museum in 1994!  Let's talk about that 
>  >>>> one for a while.
>  >
>  >[snip]
>  Edeiken:
>  >>> There was never a statement in front of the Auschwitz Musuem that 
>  >>> 4,000,000 Jew were gassed there.
>  >
>  >[snip]
>  Moran:
>  >> You mean the sign that the Simon Wiesenthal page refers to never was?
>  
>  "Rajiv Gandhi":
>  >Of course you can point to the page where there is such a reference, since
>  >I could find no page which says there was a massive slab on front of the
>  >museum which claimed that 4 million Jews were gassed.
  
>  	Moran doesn't know anything about a "slab" but he has seen
>  references to a before and after.




	Then why was he writing about it.





> At one time, not too long a go, a
>  sign in from of the Auschwitz grounds that claimed 4,000,000, and a
>  sign that is there now as referred to by Simon Wiesenthal, "Responses
>  to Revisionist Arguments", "Question 13", "For years, the death
>  statistics at Auschwitz-Birkenau had been put at well over 3 million.
>  recently however a memorial plaque ...".



  
>  	Perhaps Simon Wiesenthal just didn't bother to say there was a
>  'before' plaque, only the 'after'.



	In other words SWC never claimed that there was any indication of a 
sign, placque or other notation that 4,000,000 Jews were murdered there.


  
>  	I believe when Simon Wiesenthal says "well over a 3 million" he
>  knows it was 4 million.



	What you "believe" is irrelevant.  You now admit that SWC never 
stated that there was a sign stating 4,000,000 Jews were murdered there.


	--YFE	


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>   Jeffrey  writes:
>  
>  Rudolf Hoess
>  Auschwitz commandant Rudolf Hoess is often cited as one of the most
>  important witnesses to the "Holocaust," if not the most important. His
>  affidavit and testimony were quoted extensively both by the prosecution
>  and in the judgment of the International Military Tribunal at Nuremberg.

	Actually Hoess was irrelevant to the prosecution case.   He was called as a 
witness for the *defense.*

	--YFE


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>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:

>  	"Anti-Zionism = Anti-Semitism".
  
>  	If this means complaining about the Jews killing children,
>  bombing civilians in Lebanon and all the rest of the ugly Zionist
>  history, then, so be it.

	That's a lie and you know it.  Your anti-Semitism has been proved time 
and time again by your bigotry and your lies.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:

>  >  >  >  	There was never a statement in front of the Auschwitz 
Musuem that 
>  >  >  >  4,000,000 Jew were gassed there.

>  >  	It's very easy to dispute this: quote the placque.

>  I have the photos.  

	So have I.  Now post the inscription which makes no mention of 
4,000,000 "Jews."

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:

>  >  	For the record blackmore is caught in another of his lies.  There was 
never 
>  >  any representation at Auschwitz that 4,000,000 Jews died there.  Note that 
he 
>  >  cannot quote the language of such a monument.
  
>  >  	Another "revisionist" caught with his honesty around his knees.

>  I have the photographs Yale.

	Then you know that you are lying when you state that the inscription 
states that 4,000,000 "Jews" were "gassed" at Auschwitz.

	Post it.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:

>  >  	There was no such placque or series of slabs.
  
>  >  	This is just another demonstration of how the "revisionists" lie.

>  There most certainly was, and I will be glad to send
>  a photocopy to anyone who requests it via e-mail,
>  but they must provide a "snail mail" address, along with
>  postage to cover cost of photcopying and mail.

	It is asimple, short inscription.  blackmore does not post it.  blackmore 
will not post it.

	The reason is simple.  There is no statement that 4,000,000 "Jews" wer 
"gassed."

	Just another case of a "revisionist" inventing something so he can lie 
about the Holocaust.

	--YFE


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>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:
  
>	The People have been here since the moment of the creation.  We will 
be
>  >here after your footprints in the sand have been covered by the Wind.  
  
>  	Where "Just Moshe" says "we will be here ...", it won't be him.
>  He won't know nothin about any future Jews and they won't nothin about
>  him. He'll be long gone.
  
>  	For the time being, "Just Moshe" will just be another
>  ethnocentrically insane person, clinging to a security blanket that
>  will guarantee nothing, only giving him an idiotic and puffed up ego,
>  that tells him he is something he's not. An ego founded on dogmatic
>  lies.  

	Poor l'il tommy.  Can't even figure out who he is talking about.

	--YFE


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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:

>  >  >  >  	The request was to post his comments in the Simpson Report 
or 
>  >  >  >  testimony under oath.  You have not even quoted him directly.  You gave 
a 
>  >  >  >  hearsay account of a speech before a Rotary Club.
  
>  >  >  >>His speech was quoted verbatim.  Live with it.>>
  
>  >  	In other words, hearsay.  Pure and simple.
  
>  >  	There is an official report of Van Roden's investigations.  He also gave 
>  >  testimony under oath.  They both contradict what your secondary source 
claims 
>  >  he said.  Live with that.

>  COVER-UP.

	Which, if you are correct,  Leroy the Mace, was a part of.  About par for 
the course for him.

	--YFE


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>   A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron) writes:

>  I have found no evidence that Kramer was "tortured" by the British, although
>  he was ill-treated. I have seen his original statement and it is written in
>  English. I think this is far more significant than any abuse. Later he made
>  a second statement in which he made "admissions"; this sounds a bit like an
>  attempt to plea bargain.

	Since I disagree with you so often, I might as well state it when I find 
your explanations credible.  If you read Segev's "Soldiers of Evil" and the letter 
>from  Kramer to his wife from prison, it is evident that Kramer did not quite 
understand what the nature of the charges against him.  He made the second 
statement when under the tutalege of a British barrister.

	--YFE


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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:

  
>  >  	Typhus was a problem because the nazis who ran the camps allowed it 
>  >  to be a problem.  Moreover, the problem of controlling typhus was solved 
long 
>  >  before the invention of DDT.  The last typhus outbreak in the United States 
was in 
>  >  New York City 1921.  That is far more of a public health problem than an 
outbreak 
>  >  in a confined camp.  It was controlled in a matter of weeks.  There was no 
problem 
>  >  with typhus in POW camps in Germany and Austria in WWI even at the end 
of the 
>  >  war when the infrastructure of the central powers was as poor as it was in 
1945.  
>  >  This was also before the development of DDT.
  
>  >  	According to the CDC the number of deaths due to typhus in the United 
>  >  States in the 20th century is: 541.
  
>  >  	How many died of typhus in the KZ?

	Rather than dealing with the established scientific facts about typhus, 
blackmore decided to try a diversion:

>  Again, you distort.  From the Army Historical Series,
>  Center of Military History, U.S. Government Printing
>  Office, 1974:

>  "The DP's, moreover, could not be ignored even 
>  briefly or in the heat of battle, for they might harbor
>  among them a danger to human life, both military
>  and civilian, that was potentially GREATER (rb)
>  than the war itself-the virus-like micro-organism
>  Rickettsia.  A benign parasite of the body louse,
>  Rickettsia, when it passes from the feces of a louse
>  into a human body through a bite or opening in the
>  skin, causes typhus, the most feared epidemic dis-
>  ease in Europe since the bubonic plague.  Napoleon's
>  army in Russia reportedlly suffered more losses from
>  Typhus than from combat.  During and after WWI,
>  an estimated three million persons died from the 
>  disease in the Balkans and the Ukraine.  In WW II,
>  a thousand cases had been registered in Naples by
>  early 1944.  Always serious and frequently fatal, typhus
>  is endemic in parts of eastern Europe,  When war breaks
>  out, it begins to spread; humans carrying the louse, host
>  of the disease, provide its transportation.  The Germans
>  encountered it in their eastern campaigns, and it was 
>  known to have come into Germany with forced laborers
>  and transports to concentration camps.  Page 53.

	The question, of course, is not whether there was typhus but whether it 
can be easily controlled without DDT.  The fact, of course, is that it could have 
been controlled with the resources Kramer had on hand.  It could.

	The outstanding authority on typhus was Hans Zinsser.  Writing in 1934 
(before the development of DDT) Zinsser wrote about WWI:

	"Among the most remarkable phenomena of the war in the total 
absense of typhus from the western front . . . .Trench fever, closely related to 
typhus was common." -- ("Rats. Lice, and History" page 298)

	"The Central Powers, realizing that a typhus epidemic, introduced with 
troops transferred from the East, would lose them the war, took the utmost 
precautions to avoid this.  And army sanitary organizations, in all the forces, were 
ever concious of the possible peril, alert for suspicious cases, and ususally quick 
to resort to wholesale delousing."  (ibid, page 299) 

	"It [typhus] florished as usual in all the Eastern armies, but was kept, by 
extraordinary effective sanitary meausres -- bathing and delousing -- within 
reasonable bounds among the Austrians and Germans.  Though it penetrated into 
the prison camps in Central Europe, it was successfully prevented from spreading 
to the civilian populations."  (ibid, page 298)

	"In Russia alone did typhus attain its mediaval ascendancy. . . . . . From 
then [1916] on, for obvious reasons, figures are unreliable, but there is question 
that the disease increased steadily and rapidly.  Revolution, famile, epidemics of 
cholera, typhoid, and dysentery, helped.  There are no words to record the 
dreadful sufferings of the Russian people from 1917 to 1921.  We are concerned 
with typhus alone.  And from the careful and conservative calculations of 
Tarassewitch, it is likely that, during these years, there were no less, and probably 
were more than twenty-five million cases of typhus in the territories controlled by 
the Soviet Republic, with from two and one-half to three million deaths."  (ibid, 
page 299)

	Thus the great expert on typhus (his work after "Rats, Lice, and 
History" was written explained the origin of typhus epidemics) makes two things 
clear.  Where there were adequate sanitary measures, typhus was controlled.  
Where there were not such measures taken, such as in the Soviet Union in the 
period 1917-1921, typhus spread.  Even in urban situations -- such as Italy after 
WW II and New York in 1921 -- which are much harder to deal with that a 
confined camp such as the KZ, it is possible to control an epidemic without much 
spread.

	DDT was not necessary.  The will to control the typhus was all that was 
required.  Kramer did nothing.

	Guilty as charged.
	


From yawen@enter.net Sun Oct 13 19:20:43 PDT 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Nazi "Confessions" Given Under Torture
Date: 14 Oct 1996 00:17:37 GMT
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> 
>  >  >  Judge Edward L. van Roden was one of the three-member Simpson Army 
>  >  Commission subseqently
>  >  >  appointed to investigate the methods of justice at the Dachau trials.  
 
>  >  	The Simpson Report found that the allegations of physical brutality 
>  >  against the Malmedy defendants (and the investigation was limited to those 
trials) 
>  >  were unfounded.  No medical evidence of such torture was found when the 
>  >  persons making those allegations were examined.

>  I wonder why the Judges actual comments were
>  deleted from the report?  Could it have been a
>  COVER-UP?

	Your evidence that such comments were deleted are?

	By the way, since you ahve done so much research on Leroy the 
Mace that you know what his unpublished comments are, perhaps you will be so 
good as to tell us how he came by his nickname?

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Sun Oct 13 19:20:44 PDT 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   klewis@awinc.com (Ken Lewis) writes:
>  >
>   your assertion is as full of shit as you are.
>  >  
>  >>>>
>  No.  It is you who are full of the brown substance, and
>  you seem to be regurgitating it through your mouth.  The
>  proof that Hoess was tortured comes from the man who
>  captured and tortured him, Mr. Clarke.  He said it.  He
>  did it.  He was proud of it.  And it can be verified that he
>  did indeed capture Hoess. 

	He certainly did.  ANd he stated he shoved a "torch" (which I take to be a 
flashlight) down his throat.  It is hard to describe this as "torture."


 Your continual denial of this
>  fact is only hurting your own reputation.  Also, in Soviet
>  hands, Hoess must have fared much worse treatment,

	I.e.  We're back to a "reasonable suspicion."


>   Hoess's head the whole time he was at Nuremberg, as his
>  family was living in the british occupation zone.  Hoess was
>  tortured.  Live with it.  Or deny it.  Either way, you come
>  out the worse.

	We are demanding that you present something more than ambiguous 
hearsay and reasonable suspicions.

	Apparently that is the extent of your "proof."

	--YFE


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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   karlpov@access5.digex.net (Charles R.L. Power) writes:

>  >  You've documented the "torture" of Hoess--the Allies made him sit
>  >  in a courtroom festooned with U.S. flags. If you have better 
>  >  references, don't hesitate to post them. In the meantime, perhaps
>  >  you will refrain from pontificating on what "must be clearly
>  >  understood".

>  The details of the torture of Hoess come directly
>  from the mouth of the man who captured and
>  tortured him-Bernhard Clarke.

	Actually the account you gave stated that Hoess was roughed up when 
captured by the British.  He gave no statement to the British.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:

>  >  > >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:

>  >  > >  >  >  >> There was never a statement in front of the Auschwitz 
Musuem that
>  >  > >  >  >  >> 4,000,000 Jew were gassed there.
>  
>  After researching the article, it mentions 4 million people

	Correct.  Ergo your statement was incorrect.  Too bad you don't have 
the guts to admit it,


...I
>  believe you will agree that Jews are people, and that the
>  overwhelming majority of alleged fatalities at Auschwitz were
>  Jewish? 

	The majority of the people murdered at Auschwitz were Jewish.  The 
inscription was written to minimize this fact.  It specifically did not refer to Jews.



>  There most certainly is, or was.  There were in fact 19 of them,
>  so the lie of 4 million dead at Auschwitz could be repeated 19
>  times in 19 different languages, to deceive people from 19 other
>  countries all around the world.

	But there is no reference to either "Jews" or to "gassing."  The fact is 
that it was not meant to the refer to Jews.

>  This is just another example of how "exterminationists"
>  deny the facts even when they are flaunted directly in
>  their face.

	You are the one who made the inaacurate statement.


>  No.  Refer to F. Piper, for it was he who ordered that the inscriptions
>  be chiseled out and replaced at a later date, after the findings of
>  an "International Commission".

	Which was prompted by compaints about the manner in which the 
murder of Jews at Auschwitz was minimized by the authorities.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Mon Oct 14 08:45:34 PDT 1996
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>   schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect) writes:

>  I'm not familiar with this term, Mr. Moron, I looked in my Giwerese
>  dictionary, but couldn't find it there either.
   
>  What is a prejury? And if it *is* a word, is there also a postjury?

	Oddly enough there is such a word.  In terms of double jeopardy, 
"jeopardy" only attaches when the jury is sworn in.  "prejury" is used to describe 
events that took place before the oath is given.  Example: "The prejury 
comments of the judge to the jury panel are irrelevant."

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Mon Oct 14 08:45:35 PDT 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Goo-wir and Kurtsie play ping-pong
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>   pgroff@txdirect.net (pgroff) writes:
>  How quaint that Kurtsie and Goo-wir play the game, just that neither
>  is really very bright.

	In this case, the game could be called solitaire.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:
>  yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>  >	Van Roden signed off on the Simpson Report in which all such 
>  >brutalities were denied.
>  
>  Judge Edward L. van Roden revealed the methods by which Nazis "admissions" were secured:

	No.  He did not.  His report was the Simpson Report.  Look it up, Giwer.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Blackmore: Denier (was Re: Hoess Memoirs)
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  rblackmore writes:

>  The "whys", "hows", and "how many" have not been answered to
>  my satisfaction.  It also does not help when people like Yale Edeikin
>  claim that Dr. Larson examined deceased inmates from Dachau and
>  claimed that they died from cyanide poisoning.

	You were given the conclusions of Larson's reports.

>  Mr. E. also claimed
>  that toxicological tests were conducted and that they proved death
>  resulted from gassing.

	I claimed that Larson based his conclusions on toxicological reports.

>  However, when I repeatedly requested copies
>  of both the autopsy and toxicological reports, he referred me to comments
>  made by Larson without any forensic reports to prove his statements.

	Liar.  i told you where you couild find his report.  You did not ask for 
"autopsies" you asked for his raw notes which are, as matter of practice, destroyed 
by any competnet pathologist after the final report is given.  Larson's statements 
*are* a "forensic report."

	You might not like it but there is not a court in the western world theat 
would say otherwise or even bother to note your objections for the record.

	--YFE


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>   dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes:
>  kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:
  
>  # Ooh goody!  I can't wait.  More debunking of that filthy
>  # piece of lying, Jewish excrement known as the "Holocaust."
>  # I can't wait until 1997.  Fun, fun!
  
>  Someone willing to help this person? He seems to be in
>  serious trouble. 

	I checked with the Tampa newspapers.  "The Three Faces of Eve" 
was shown locally just before "Just Moshe" appeared and "Kurt Stele" 
reappeared.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt  Giwer) writes:
>  On 11 Oct 1996 02:07:30 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
  
>  >>   Jeffrey  writes:
 
>  >>  Rudolf Hoess
>  >>  Auschwitz commandant Rudolf Hoess is often cited as one of the most
>  >>  important witnesses to the "Holocaust," if not the most important. His
>  >>  affidavit and testimony were quoted extensively both by the prosecution
>  >>  and in the judgment of the International Military Tribunal at Nuremberg.

  
>  >	Actually Hoess was irrelevant to the prosecution case.   He was called 
as a 
>  >witness for the *defense.*

>  	A dozen or more solid posts and a jew traitor can only find one to 
respond
>  to.   

	Yup.  That's about all Stumpy and his spams are worth.

	One line and I proved that the basic thesis of his post is based on 
shoddy research.

	And all the Criminal Giwer can do is call names.  Apparently he realizes 
how bad Stumpy's spams are.

	--YFE 


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:

  
>  >  >  >  	Exactly.  Now prove it.  Start with the Simpson Report and 
prove that it 
>  >  is 
>  >  >  >  in error.

>  >  	Van Roden was one of the authors of the Simpson Report.  He Signed 
>  >  off on it.

>  The Simpson report was a cover-up, plain and simple.
>  Compare the report with what the Judge said at the 
>  Rotary Club.

	The schlemiel now annouces his standard of proof:

	1.  Ignore what the man wrote.

	2.  Ignore what the man said under oath.

	3.  The real evidence can be found in a hearsay account of a speech 
before the Rotary.

	Even for those who don't know the truth about Leroy, this is hilarious.

	--YFE


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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>
>  >  >Which do you refer to?  BTW, Edeikin claimed such 
>  >  >reports exist and he had access to them.  I do not 
>  >  >say that I have such reports concerning the Soviets.
>  >  >This being the case, what IS your point?
>
	Liar.  I presented you with the conclusions of a forensic pathologist and the 
place where his complete report could be found.



 Again, Yale E. made a
>  claim that he had access to toxicological reports which would
>  prove that victims died from cyanide poisoning at Dachau.
>  I did not claim that these people were gassed.  So, it is up
>  to him to now put his money where his mouth is.

	Liar.  I claimed they were part of the Congressional Record.  Look them up 
for yourself.

	You will not, of course.  You asked for forensic evidence.  You received it.

	--YFE


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>   Keith Morrison  writes:
>  Yale F. Edeiken wrote:
  
>  >         I checked with the Tampa newspapers.  "The Three Faces of Eve"
>  > was shown locally just before "Just Moshe" appeared and "Kurt Stele"
>  > reappeared.

>  There is some debate over whether MPD is a genuine phenomenon.  Then 
again
>  there is some debate over whether Giwer has a functioning neuron.

	On the other hand, knowing that would assume some medical 
knowledge.  Remember this is the Criminal Giwer we are talking about.  That is the 
character who once quoted an old movie about Richard II as a reference for his 
epidemiology.

	--YFE


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>   kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) writes:
>  >> >Let's start by identifying ourselves.  I'm Gord McFee.
  
>  >> Welcome,  Gord. I'm Mike Curtis.
  
>  >Hello, Mike, hello, Gord.  I'm Keith.  Or maybe I'm John Morris.
  
>  >Or am I Ken this week?
  
>  Hilary is Ken this week - but she won't say which Ken, so you
>  could be Ken but not Ken, or Marduk could be you, being one
>  Ken but not the other Ken. 
  
>  Laura was one Ken last week, and Gordon, playing Mike being
>  Annie pretending to be Sara, was the other Ken, and neither
>  one spoke to either Moran.

>  Of course, it's entirely possible that the Laura being one of
>  the Ken's last week was in fact Gordon playing Annie playing
>  Mike pretending to be Hilary's sister's cat.

>  Koo koo ka choo, I am the Jamie.

	And all of you think that you're "Marduk."

	--YFE


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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:

>  I am afraid that you don't remember the dialogue
>  clearly, Mr. Harmon.  Please go back and refer 
>  to the posts.

	Perhaps you should do so.


>  What I eventually PROVED was that
>  the British TRUCKED in potable water from their
>  own military FIELD KITCHENS

	You proved nothing.  Somebody else posted the testimony.  Further 
there was no such statement.  The British stated they used water carts from their 
field kitchens to bring water to the camp.  There was no statement as to where the 
water came from.


 and that water
>  from the river was pumped in five days later.

	Wrong again.  The testimony was that, using the equipment at the 
camp, they were able to completely supply potable water from the river to the entire 
camp in five days.  This implies that partial supplies were available sooner.
 


>  My final observation was that Kramer realized
>  the overwhelming conditions existing in the camp
>  and then embarked upon the solution he thought
>  best for the welfare of the inmates:

	He let them die of starvation.  He let them die of thirst.  He let them die of 
preventable disease.  He did not try to feed them.  He did not try to give them 
water.  He take elementary sanitation or health measures.

	Some solution.

	He was a murderer.


	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:

  
>    Too bad you don't have 
>  >  the guts to admit it,
  
>  I just did, cousellor....it was an error, not a lie, like the 4 million......

	The first time, it was an error.  You repeated it several times even 
claiming you had a picture to prove what it said.

  
>  >  believe you will agree that Jews are people, and that the
>  >  >  overwhelming majority of alleged fatalities at Auschwitz were
>  >  >  Jewish? 
  
>  >  	The majority of the people murdered at Auschwitz were Jewish.  The 
>  >  inscription was written to minimize this fact.  It specifically did not refer to 
Jews.
  
>  That is the most pathetic explanation I have ever read.  Of course,
>  the Pictorial History of the Jewish people reprinted this 4 million
>  figure year after year after year.....

	In fact, that is what Poles were taught.  The "Jewish" pavillion was not 
on the tour except for Americans and Jewish groups.
	
 
>  >  	But there is no reference to either "Jews" or to "gassing."  The fact is 
>  >  that it was not meant to the refer to Jews.
  
>  Liar.

	You simply do not know what you are talking about.  I checked with a 
noted Pole over the weekend.  Both he and his translator confirmed that Poles 
were never taught that Jews died at Auschwitz.  All reference was to "Polish 
citizens."
  
>  What was inaccurate?

	That the monuments referred neither to Jews or to gassing.


>  The fact that the monuments claimed
>  4 million human beings died at Auschwitz?  Though it did not mention
>  gas, please enlighten us counselor--how did the Auschwitz museum
>  represent these alleged millions of Jewish deaths over the past
>  45 years?

	The ignored them.


>  Please do, because I am waiting to post something written by
>  the Auschwitz State Museum.....Go ahead, make my day......

	Oh dear, another threat to post something in the near future.


>  >  	Which was prompted by compaints about the manner in which the 
>  >  murder of Jews at Auschwitz was minimized by the authorities.
  
>  Minimized?!  Four million wasn't enough?

	No reference to Jews.  Live with it.  The Poles were taught, correctly, 
that approximately 25% of the population of Poland was killed by your nazi heroes. 
 They were never taught that 90% of Polish Jews were murdered; the word "Jew" 
was never mentioned in their histories or in their classrooms.

	--YFE

	


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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:

>  You have the photos?  From where?

	Matthew Monroe.


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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:

>  >>>>
>  First tell me why you lied about the British and
>  their water supply to Belsen, and then tell me why
>  you are ignoring the lies of Ada Bimko.

	To be blunt about it.  I have not dealt with your extract from Bimko's 
testimony because, clearly, nothing you posted showed she was lying.  You posted 
an extract in which, under cross examination, imprechment by prior inconsistent 
statement was attempted.  Unfortunately she denied having made the previous 
statements for which impeachment was attempted.  You presented nothing to 
indicate that she had made the previous statement.

	On a scale of 1-10:  about a 2.

	Call her a liar on final argument and I am on my feet objecting.  Then you 
have the problem of a judge telling the jury to ignore what you are saying.  If that 
happens you are, on the same scale,  at -1.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:

>  >  	Liar.  i told you where you couild find his report.  You did not ask for 
>  >  "autopsies" you asked for his raw notes
>   Larson's statements 
>  >  *are* a "forensic report."
  
>  You are the liar.  I asked from day one for the reports 
>  as soon as you made the mistake of telling me they
>  existed.  Where are they?  I read what Larson said
>  and I do NOT accept his opinions without the proof
>  to confirm it.

	And you were told from day one where to find them.


  
>  >  	You might not like it but there is not a court in the western world theat 
>  >  would say otherwise or even bother to note your objections for the record.

>  Liar, again.  In a murder case, if such toxicological reports
>  were taken, they are submitted.  Now, where are they?

	Never.  In fact, it would be reversible error to submit them to a jury.  You 
may, if you were not such a lazy, lying jerk look them up yourself.  You have been 
told both where they are and how to find them.

	--YFE


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>   E@ag.org (EE) writes:
>  On Thu, 10 Oct 1996 23:51:48 -0700, rajiv_gandhi@bc.sympatico.ca (Rajiv K.
>  Gandhi) wrote:

>  >mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt  Giwer) wrote:
  
>  >> Watching the documentary NUREMBERG on the Discovery Channel.

	To which Rajiv Ghandi replied:

>  >During a cross-examination, a witness is implicitly hostile. Leading
>  >questions are not only allowed but required. Leading questions of a witness
>  >on direct examination are not acceptable, although only discarded if
>  >objected to. However, if the witness is a hostile witness, then yes indeed,
>  >leading questions are permissible.
  
>  	Excuse me, holohugging asshole, this was direct examination.
  
>  	Other than that, you have a case. 

	The documentary was shown again Sunday night,  All of the 
examinations shown, with one exception, were cross-examinations of the 
defendants.

	--YFE


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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:

>  >  > 
>  >  > >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>  >  > >  >   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >  > >
>  >  > >  >  True enough.  That is why I always try to confirm
>  >  > >  >  the sources before I post.  if there is any room for
>  >  > >  >  doubt, I will come right out and say so at the time
>  >  > >  >  of posting,

>  >  > >       Then please tell us what research you did on Leroy the Mace before 
you
>  >  > >  decided to ignore his written statements and rely on a hearsay account 
of a
>  >  > >  speech he made.

>  Thats "scholar", not scholor, Chuck.

	You still haven't told us about your research on Leroy.  Why don't you 
tell us how he got his nickname?

	--YFE


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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:

>  >  	Never.  In fact, it would be reversible error to submit them to a jury.  
You 
>  >  may, if you were not such a lazy, lying jerk look them up yourself.  You 
have been 
>  >  told both where they are and how to find them.

>  Liar.  they don't exist or they would have been
>  published years ago.

	They were.  That's how I found them.

	--YFE


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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>  >  >   rblackmore@juno.com writes:

>  >  >  You have the photos?  From where?
  
>  >  	Matthew Monroe.

>  And?

	There is no "and."  You asked where I got the photographs.  He was 
the source.

	--YFE


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>   kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:
>  dbell@maths.tcd.ie (Derek Bell) wrote:

  
>  YFE claims Giwer is a criminal.  He omits that Giwer's e-mail was sent in reply to 
YFE's
>  unsolicited e-mail.  Omission is lying.  

	That is a lie, Matty poo,  I requested that you stop sending me e-mail.  
The response was "I am tired of your shit.  Fuck off."  It was followed by another 
bit of your anti-Semitic venom.  That's one of the reasons why Netcom suspended 
you.

	You criminally harassed me and my family, Matty poo.  You a criminal.

	--YFE


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>  In a desperate effort to buttress his agenda   rblackmore@juno.com writes:

>  been disseminated for decades from Poland throughout
>  the whole world that 4 million Jews were murdered at Auschwitz,
>  implied that Polish people were never "taught" that 4 million
>  Jews had been murdered by the Nazis.  What follows is the
>  English translation of a book originally published in 
>  Poland  

>  from the book "German Crimes in Poland" , published by the Central
>  Commission for Investigation of German Crimes in Poland, Warsaw
>  1946, Vol 1,  which details all the lies you and your mendacious
>  "friend" deny:

	Which, of course, iks not a schoolbook.


  
>  Here is a direct quote from the Polish Commission:
  
>  "As is well known, the Soviet Legal and Medicinal
>  Commission, which arrived at Auschwitz immediately
>  after the flight of the Germans, has stated that the
>  number of the murdered EXCEEDED 4,000,000. (Caps mine)

	No mention of 4,000,000 "Jews."

  
>  These calculations are in conformity with the data obtained
>  during the inquiry from a competent (!-rb) witness, a railway
>  employee from Oswiecim station.  This man, Fr. Stanek,
>  stated that in the three years 1942-1944, 3,850,000 
>  prisoners were brought to Oswiecim by rail.  Five millions
>  would be nearer the mark counting those brought by car."
>  Page 90.
  
>  end of quote.


	No mention of "Jews."  

>  Well, Mr. Counselor, you can now add your name to the list
>  of the other liars


	Actually what we can do is not bother to erase your name from the list of 
distortionists.  

>  >  	No reference to Jews.  Live with it.  The Poles were taught, correctly, 
>  >  that approximately 25% of the population of Poland was killed by your nazi 
heroes. 
>  >   They were never taught that 90% of Polish Jews were murdered; the word 
"Jew" 
>  >  was never mentioned in their histories or in their classrooms.

  
>  Well, Yale, you stepped in it big time this time.  In fact,
>  not only did you step in it, you're the one who dumped it.

	You still have yet to produce a statement by the Poles that 4,000,000 
"Jews" were murdered at Auschwitz.  The Poles were never taught that the 
majority of victims were Jewish.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity
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>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:

	Someone give Moran a clue:

>  >Tom, calm down--you were duped by Matt Giwer.  There is no "Moshe".  

	So Moran demonstrated his bigotry:

  
>  	You could be right. But look at it this way, his impersonation
>  was aweful realistic.

	Only to a bigot like you.  It is humorous that the only two people taken 
in by Giwer's hoax were two people who have announced how good they are 
at evaluating the credibility of others.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: "Anti-Semitism"? Then, so be it.
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>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:


>  >	That's a lie and you know it.  Your anti-Semitism has been proved time 
>  >and time again by your bigotry and your lies.

>  	What's a "lie"?
  
>  (This one?) > "Anti-Zionism = Anti-Semitism".

	In your case: yes.    You are a a blatent anti-Semite who covers his 
bigotry by claiming to be "anti-Zionist."  Sorry Moran your numerous lies about 
"the Jews" (that is the term *you* habitually use) prove otherwise.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Tue Oct 15 17:18:35 PDT 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Israeli Use of Torture to Interrogate Palestinians (II)
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>   dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes:
>  When replying to this article, see what happens:

>  Most clearly, a forgery and a troll by someone from worldnet,
>  pretending to be a Jew.
  
>  Later, the "Moshe@idirect.com" changed to "Moshe@worldnet.att.net",
>  in an attempt to conceal the forgery.
  
>  Thanks to John Morris for pointing this out.
  
>  Now, boys and girls, who is the notorious antisemite and
>  "revisionist" posting from "worldnet"? 

	Let me guess, Dr. Keren.  Is it the same anti-Semite who complains that 
only people who believe in the Holocaust post under fake names?

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Just for the fun of it...
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:

>  True enough.  That is why I always try to confirm
>  the sources before I post.  if there is any room for
>  doubt, I will come right out and say so at the time
>  of posting,

	Then please tell us what research you did on Leroy the Mace before you 
decided to ignore his written statements and rely on a hearsay account of a 
speech he made.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Let's Not Be Beastly to the Germans
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:

>  >  	Yes.  Your "evidence" was a "reasonable suspicion."  You have 
>  >  poste nothing else concerning his treatment at the time he confessed or 
when 
>  >  he wrote his memoirs.

>  Wrong again.  Browse, Counselor, browse.......

	I have.  You have produced nothing other than your "reasonable 
suspicion."

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Tue Oct 15 19:07:39 PDT 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris) writes:
  
>  >  Oh dear. Why is Gerald Fleming "one of the most biased sources one
>  >  could refer to?" Because you say so, or do you simply dismiss
>  >  respected historians with an airy wave of your hand because they
>  >  happen to disagree with your views?

>  Or do you simply select sources who pour the most 
>  unsubstantiated vitriol on the Germans?  I suppose
>  Goldhagen is one of your darlings as well........In any
>  case, Fleming's book is a rather slim volumes packed
>  with unsupported accusations and conjectures.  He is
>  the darling of the intentionalists.
>  rb

	You're lying again.  Most of Fleming's most recent book "Hitler and the 
Final Solution" consists almost entirely of contemporary documents.

	Face it, sonny boy, you just can't stand the truth.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Another one to add to the Discovery Channel
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:

>  It is nothing I am hiding, by the way. I WILL post it
>  as soon as I am ready.  You wouldn't want me to
>  rush in with an opinion before I ahve thoroughly 
>  researched the subject, would you?.....Sure, you would.

	The problem is that you should have "researched" it before you wrote 
rather than after.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   aryangar@aol.com (AryanGar) writes:

>  First off GravesBoy...  The NA is not "neo-Nazi", has never called it's
>  self that nor uses the term. 

	When was the last time LCN referred to itself as a "criminal 
conspiracy?"



>  read the Bulletins U claim to get.  I have been a member for many years &
>  have attended many formal meetings, Unit meetings, functions, social
>  events, fund-raisers, book club meetings, protests, group literature
>  distributions, etc...  I have met many many NA members from not only all
>  over North America but from around the globe.  I am always impressed with
>  the cadre the NA has.  Repeating your silly lies about the NA many times
>  will not ever make them true.  

	They must be very proud of the Freeman brothers.

  
	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Tue Oct 15 19:07:41 PDT 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>
>  Indeed I do.  However, you won't begrudge me an error
>  simply because the actual quote was unavailable to me at
>  the time, would you? 

	At the time you made your claims, you claimed to have *photographs* 
in front of you that proved you correct.  And now that you have been nailed on 
this one you are repeating the same tactic of taking a Polish source which 
refers to Polish dead and claiming that they are referring to "Jews."



>  Anyway, whether they were gassed
>  or not is simply quibbling.  The whole statement on the slab was a lie
>  through and through and that is the main point. And the
>  lie has been quoted SO often by so many sources that it
>  should shame people....

	And it was protests by, among others, Jewish groups that casued the 
change.  Live with it.

  
>  If you can't believe the messengers, how can you 
>  believe the message?

	You have given us ample reason to doubt you as a messenger.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Holocaust Almanac: Dachau - to remind them of the truth
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>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:

  
>  	Photos? None. Even though the place was swarming with Allied
>  cameramen. "Jews"? How would he know the bones were Jews?

	No photos of Dachau?  You must be joking.  There are even color 
movies of the liberation of Dachau made by George Stevens and William Mellor 
who were part of an army photographic team.

	--YFE


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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:

>  >  
>  >  	Please produce the post where I "promised" to supply you with a 
>  >  pathologist's raw notes and the tox reports?
  
>  >  	Produce it or stop lying about it.

>  That isn't even a good try.  where are the reports?

	In Larson's report; where I always said it was.

	Where's the post where I said otherwise, sonny boy?


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:

>  >  >  >  	Matthew Monroe.
  
>  >  >  And?
  
>  >  	There is no "and."  You asked where I got the photographs.  He was 
>  >  the source.

>  Yes, but where did he obtain the photographs?

	From his photo album of one of his trips home to Poalnd.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: The Criminal Giwer is Too Drunk to Know What He is Talking About
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>   the Criminal Giwer writing under his latest psuedonym:

>  On 11 Oct 1996 23:32:00 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>  >	You are either lying or too drunk to be taken seriously.  If you think that 
>  >there were reversible errors at Nuremberg please make a case of it.  So far you 
>  >have posted nothing that an appeals court would even bother considering.  
You 
>  >have stated that your opinion is that no fair trial was given.  You have yet to 
>  >support this with either full citations of the record or a recitation of legal principle 
>  >that would support your contention.
  
>  	Prosecutor Something-Fyfe:  Did you not tell me last night that you
>  (recitation of guilt)
  
>  	Witness:  That is not what I said.
  
>  	Prosecutor:  You said that you had (recitation of guilt)  
  
>  	There was no objection from the defense.  
>


	Why should there be.  It's proper cross-examination.  The technique is 
called  impeachemnt by prior inconsisent statement.

>  >	The burden, as in any appeal, is upon you.  Please try to present your 
>  >position in a coherent manner.  Given your criminal tendencies, it might be 
good 
>  >practice for the future.
  
>  	As you note the prosecution introduced a statement that he claimed was 
from
>  the defendant and continued on the presumption that it was true even though
>  it had been denied.  That is the sort of thing you consider to be a fair
>  trial.  

	That's how you impeach by prior inconsistent statement.  There is no 
presumption that it is true, only that the defendant said it and is saying something 
different on the stand.  It happens frequently, especially in civil cases where 
depositions are commonly taken of all parties and msot witnesses.

	It would help if you had elementary knowledge of what happens at a 
trial.

	--YFE


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>   kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:
>  yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>  >>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:

>  >>  >	That's a lie and you know it.  Your anti-Semitism has been proved time 
>  >>  >and time again by your bigotry and your lies.

>  >>  	What's a "lie"?
  
>  >>  (This one?) > "Anti-Zionism = Anti-Semitism".
  
>  >	In your case: yes.    You are a a blatent anti-Semite who covers his 
>  >bigotry by claiming to be "anti-Zionist."  Sorry Moran your numerous lies about 
>  >"the Jews" (that is the term *you* habitually use) prove otherwise.
  
>  You are only confirming his point fool.  He posts truths about the  "Holocaust" [tm] 
and
>  Jews and you call him anti-semite for that reason.

	Sure, Matty poo.  But please tell us how labeling the acts of the KKKK in 
the United States as being done by "a Jewish group" consitutes discussing the 
Holocaust?

	Only another Jew hating jerk like you would come to this conclusion.

  
>  Keep calling him that.  Keep confirming his point.


	Keep forging other people's names to posts, violating the criminal laws, and 
attempting to shut your opponents up by mail bombing them.

	--YFE


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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>  >  >   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
 
>  >  >  >  >  >  	Matthew Monroe.
    
>  >  >  >  >  And?
    
>  >  >  >  	There is no "and."  You asked where I got the photographs. 
 He was 
>  >  >  >  the source.
  
>  >  >  Yes, but where did he obtain the photographs?
  
>  >  	From his photo album of one of his trips home to Poalnd.

>  Well, when did he go there?  What year?

	1986, 1988, 1990, 1992, 1994

	And the inscription he saw, as you have admitted, neither mentioned 
Jews or gassing.

	--YFE


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>   gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:

  
>  Gerald Fleming is everything the denier scum wish they were.  Honest. 
>  Meticulous.  Accurate.  Objective.
  
>  He is their mortal enemy because of this.

	And proof that his legacy will continue can be found at:

	http://www.soe.usfca.edu/CIT/denial/home.html

	For those who would continue blackmore's legacy look under the nearest 
flat rock.

	--YFE


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On Tue, 15 Oct 1996 08:29:44 GMT, jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris)
wrote:

>rblackmore@juno.com wrote:

>[re: the difficulty of obtaining documents from archival sources which
>of course are difficult to obtain unless you can produce a letter of
>recommendation demonstrating a serious scholarly purpose, and
>sometimes even that is not enough, as I found out to my chagrin two
>summers ago at the Bodleian Library, though I finally did manage to
>obtain a reader's pass, but that's a whole other story]

>>If they ARE unlikely to be easily accessible, and they ARE,
>>what do you think is the reason for it? 

>It's a Jewish conspiracy?

	Of course did you miss your invitation to the planning session?  All us
Jews are conspiring.  It is in our blood.  Just as Moshe the Just.  




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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:

>  Who is "us"?  It must be truly discomfiting for you
>  when you see your whole facade of lies collapsing
>  all around your head.....rb

	You are very good at repeating dialogue from old Fu Manchu movies but, 
to date, you have neither challenged any part of the history of the Holocaust or 
demonstrated the intellectual ability to do so.  The check out what some young 
historians think of you and the garbage you spew, the following web-site would be 
of interest:

	http://www.soe.usfca.edu/CIT/denial/home.html

	--YFE


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>   Brian Harmon  writes:

>  The fact of the matter is, a most historical works did 
>  _not_ blindly parrot the four million figure (see the list included
>  at the end of this post.)

	A very good post Brian but you left out one source that I think should 
be included.  William Shirer's "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" is the most 
widely read book on nazi Germany.   It cites the Reitlinger estimate.

	--YFE 


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On Wed, 16 Oct 1996 02:53:51 GMT, kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) wrote:

>yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>	Face it, sonny boy, you just can't stand the truth.

>Face it "sonny boy"  your Holocaust is lying piece of Jewish filth, which is why Jews must
>cowardly censor the counter-evidence to it.

>Kurt Stele

	Us real Jews are the Chosen People.  Bow down, Goy.



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On 15 Oct 1996 23:48:46 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:

>>  >  >  >  	Matthew Monroe.
>  
>>  >  >  And?
>  
>>  >  	There is no "and."  You asked where I got the photographs.  He was 
>>  >  the source.

>>  Yes, but where did he obtain the photographs?

>	From his photo album of one of his trips home to Poalnd.

	Stop it, Biwer.  Even I can spell better than that.  




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On 15 Oct 1996 13:42:04 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:

>	Someone give Moran a clue:

>>  >Tom, calm down--you were duped by Matt Giwer.  There is no "Moshe".  

>	So Moran demonstrated his bigotry:

	Waily ne Waley is a Jew.   
  
>>  	You could be right. But look at it this way, his impersonation
>>  was aweful realistic.

>	Only to a bigot like you.  It is humorous that the only two people taken 
>in by Giwer's hoax were two people who have announced how good they are 
>at evaluating the credibility of others.

	Giwer must be watching you.  He appears to be much better a person than you
are, being a Jew and all that. 






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	I know the most embarrassing part of my holocaust is the complete and total
lack of physical evidence.  I know it all rests upon self contradictory
witnesses.  

	But let me stress that I will lie, cheat and steal to promote this
holocaust as if it goes away, I do not have a life.  



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On Wed, 16 Oct 1996 02:51:30 GMT, kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) wrote:

>yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>	So Moran demonstrated his bigotry:

>And you continue to demonstrate your stupidity.

>>	Only to a bigot like you.  

>You support the Jewish state, the most bigotted, openly-racist nation on the planet. 

	But you forget we have partners in the Union of South Africa for our racism
and bomb development.  








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On 15 Oct 1996 23:51:57 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>>  >   jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris) writes:
>  
>>  >  Oh dear. Why is Gerald Fleming "one of the most biased sources one
>>  >  could refer to?" Because you say so, or do you simply dismiss
>>  >  respected historians with an airy wave of your hand because they
>>  >  happen to disagree with your views?

>>  Or do you simply select sources who pour the most 
>>  unsubstantiated vitriol on the Germans?  I suppose
>>  Goldhagen is one of your darlings as well........In any
>>  case, Fleming's book is a rather slim volumes packed
>>  with unsupported accusations and conjectures.  He is
>>  the darling of the intentionalists.
>>  rb

>	You're lying again.  Most of Fleming's most recent book "Hitler and the 
>Final Solution" consists almost entirely of contemporary documents.

>	Face it, sonny boy, you just can't stand the truth.

	Ediken poo, stop pretending to be me.




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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:

>  >  >  It is nothing I am hiding, by the way. I WILL post it
>  >  >  as soon as I am ready.  You wouldn't want me to
>  >  >  rush in with an opinion before I ahve thoroughly 
>  >  >  researched the subject, would you?.....Sure, you would.
  
>  >  	The problem is that you should have "researched" it before you wrote 
>  >  rather than after.

>  We are discussing Auschwitz here, and I really
>  have made any definitive statement yet.

	That's incorrect.  You have posted definitive statements about the 
monuments to those murdered by the nazis.  You have also stated your 
conclusions.  Most people do their research first, then post conclusions.  You do 
the opposite.  For some conclusions about the denier arguments you post check 
out:

	http://www.soe.usfca.edu/CIT/denial/home.html

	It seems you are not making much headway with those who study 
history as a profession.

	--YFE


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>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:
>   	It was and is realistic, the thinking that is.

	You are now the first "revisionist" to comment on the criminal Giwer's 
forging of others names and misrepresentation.

	You like it.

	You like it because the lies agreed with your bigotry.


  
>  Of course it was Moran that revealed you to be lying about "Rachelle"
>  and it was Moran that forced you to claim a "retraction" (Back track)
>  to your blurt that you lost 16,000 relatives in the Holocaust. 

	I have never retracted my claim, just my offer to e-mail you a list of those 
names.

	You are a liar and an anti-Semite.  Now you endorse criminal activity just 
because it conforms to your hatred of Jews.

	Crawl back under a rock,

	--YFE


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>   olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) writes:

   
>    What really happened to the millions of Jews who lived in Poland before 
>  the WW2? 

	90% were murdered.  The murderers were your nazi heroes.  Does 
that clear it up, nazi boy?


	--YFE



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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> 
>   You posted 
>  >  an extract in which, under cross examination, imprechment by prior 
inconsistent 
>  >  statement was attempted.  Unfortunately she denied having made the 
previous 
>  >  statements for which impeachment was attempted.  You presented nothing 
to 
>  >  indicate that she had made the previous statement.
  
>  >  	On a scale of 1-10:  about a 2.
  
>  >  	Call her a liar on final argument and I am on my feet objecting.
  
>  Objection overruled and I move to change jurisdiction
>  due to extreme prejudice.

	I take it you would be playing for the appeal where your client asks 
that the verdict be overturned because his counsel was incompetent.

	--YFE


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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >  the criminal Giwer forging the name of dkeren-@world.std.com (Danial 
Keren) writes:
>  >  	No forensic evidence was presented, but I know that.  

>  Right.  So you admit you have no case.  Sort of?  Kind of?
>  Maybe?  If it weren't for all those darned "eyewitnesses".

	Another "revisionist" suckered in.  Amazing how a gullible fool poses 
as someone competent to judge the credibility of others.

	--YFE


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	The criminal Giwer propagated the following forgery:

>   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>  	Giwer must be watching you.  He appears to be much better a person 
than you
>  are, being a Jew and all that. 

	This has been reported to abuse@worldnet.att.net.  Apparently, 
however, there is one group that approves of this type of slime.  The number of 
"revisionists" who have publically disagreed with Giwer's latest tactics is:

	Nil

	Draw your own conclusions.

	--YFE


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>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:
>   	It was and is realistic, the thinking that is.

	You are now the first "revisionist" to comment on the criminal Giwer's 
forging of others names and misrepresentation.

	You like it.

	You like it because the lies agreed with your bigotry.


  
>  Of course it was Moran that revealed you to be lying about "Rachelle"
>  and it was Moran that forced you to claim a "retraction" (Back track)
>  to your blurt that you lost 16,000 relatives in the Holocaust. 

	I have never retracted my claim, just my offer to e-mail you a list of those 
names.

	You are a liar and an anti-Semite.  Now you endorse criminal activity just 
because it conforms to your hatred of Jews.

	Crawl back under a rock,

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Wed Oct 16 23:10:26 PDT 1996
Article: 74978 of alt.revisionism
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: THE FATE OF THE POLISH JEWS DURING WW2
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>   olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) writes:

   
>    What really happened to the millions of Jews who lived in Poland before 
>  the WW2? 

	90% were murdered.  The murderers were your nazi heroes.  Does 
that clear it up, nazi boy?


	--YFE



From yawen@enter.net Wed Oct 16 23:10:26 PDT 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Just for the fun of it...
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> 
>   You posted 
>  >  an extract in which, under cross examination, imprechment by prior 
inconsistent 
>  >  statement was attempted.  Unfortunately she denied having made the 
previous 
>  >  statements for which impeachment was attempted.  You presented nothing 
to 
>  >  indicate that she had made the previous statement.
  
>  >  	On a scale of 1-10:  about a 2.
  
>  >  	Call her a liar on final argument and I am on my feet objecting.
  
>  Objection overruled and I move to change jurisdiction
>  due to extreme prejudice.

	I take it you would be playing for the appeal where your client asks 
that the verdict be overturned because his counsel was incompetent.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Wed Oct 16 23:10:27 PDT 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Let's Not Be Beastly to the Germans
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >  the criminal Giwer forging the name of dkeren-@world.std.com (Danial 
Keren) writes:
>  >  	No forensic evidence was presented, but I know that.  

>  Right.  So you admit you have no case.  Sort of?  Kind of?
>  Maybe?  If it weren't for all those darned "eyewitnesses".

	Another "revisionist" suckered in.  Amazing how a gullible fool poses 
as someone competent to judge the credibility of others.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Another Giwer Forgery
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	The criminal Giwer propagated the following forgery:

>   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>  	Giwer must be watching you.  He appears to be much better a person 
than you
>  are, being a Jew and all that. 

	This has been reported to abuse@worldnet.att.net.  Apparently, 
however, there is one group that approves of this type of slime.  The number of 
"revisionists" who have publically disagreed with Giwer's latest tactics is:

	Nil

	Draw your own conclusions.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Hoess Memoirs
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>   kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:
>  the criminal Giwer forging the header kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken 
McVay OBE) wrote:

  
>  >	And of course the aerial photos of Krema V in Birkenau show no either 
LK
>  >nor undressing room and the close building make them impossible.
  
>  >	Other than that, nice fable of good against evil.  
  
>  Want to try to explain why the vents in LKI were configured for a bomb shelter 
but not for
>  a gas chamber?   First let me get a nice space on the floor to roll around when I 
begin to
>  laugh.  

	The laugh is, apaprently on you.  The post was a forgery.  You bit.

	Now tell us again how good you are at winkling out frauds.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Wed Oct 16 23:10:29 PDT 1996
Article: 75019 of alt.revisionism
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: DAVID IRVING to tour Australia????
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>   aryangar@aol.com (AryanGar) writes:
>  >> aryangar@aol.com (AryanGar) writes:
>  
>  yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes
>  > When was the last time LCN referred to itself as a "criminal
>  conspiracy?"
>  
>  I do not know what U R referring to or who or what the LCN is??  So U have
>  made not point with me.

	You've never heard of La Cosa Nostra?  My you lead a sheltered life.

  
>  > They must be very proud of the Freeman brothers.  --YFE
  
>  Who must be proud of the Freenman brothers?? What are U talking about??


	The National Alliance.
  
>  Again U R jumping all over the place.  They have never had anything to do
>  with the NA but U seem to want to reference all sorts of strange
>  occurrences to the NA or others that U find disagreement with.  

	The Freeman brothers were members in good standing of the National 
Alliance.

	--YFE



From yawen@enter.net Thu Oct 17 00:24:12 PDT 1996
Article: 75057 of alt.revisionism
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Will the real Marduk please stand up?
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>   kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) writes:
>  In article <53ur99$ses@news.enter.net>, 
>  yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>  
>  >	And all of you think that you're "Marduk."
>  
>  Mr. Edeiken is confused. There is only one among us in this
>  newsgroup who thinks that we are all Marduk.

	Yes but he also:

	"Just Moshe"
	"Gord McFee"
	"Kurt Stele"
	"EE"
	"Danial Keren"

	and, no doubt, more to come.

	He outnumbers you.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Fri Oct 18 00:15:24 PDT 1996
Article: 75248 of alt.revisionism
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:

>  >  	And the inscription he saw, as you have admitted, neither mentioned 
>  >  Jews or gassing.

>  It did mention 4 million dead.  How many of them were Jews,
>  Yale?  Then break down the rest of the figures by nationality,
>  religion, and exact numbers.

	Your lie was that the inscription stated that 4,000.000 "Jews" were 
"gassed."  It is a bit hard to rewrite history, little boy.

	Now crawl back under you rock.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: An Open Question to Tom Moran and Kurt Stele
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>   schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect) writes:
>  Ironically, in a discussion of his attempts at forgery, Matt Giwer tries
>  yet ANOTHER forgery, this time Dr. Keren. And again, he spells the name
>  incorrectly.

>  I suppose this is his "excuse," that he is not spelling the name
>  accurately, so it really isn't forged.
   
>  His motives are obvious, and I hope worldnet.att.net will do something
>  about it soon.

	They did.  Giwer's account was terminated Monday.  This was *before* his 
current spate of forgeries.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Fri Oct 18 00:15:26 PDT 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:

>  >  Fleming is the deniers' bane.  His work is monumentally sourced, full of
>  >  footnotes, a monument of scholarship.  It is easy to see why the deniers fear
>  >  him.  He cannot be rebutted, since his sources are all first-hand.  Real
>  >  piss-off, right Mr. "Blackmore"?

>  I have read more than you have on this subject, and
>  I don't agree with your darling Fleming.  Only a stupid
>  person would but into his claptrap.  Fleming's sources
>  are as phoney as he is.

	Only a rather stupid person would be fooled by Giwer's forgeries.

	You were.

	--YFE


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>   rblackmore@juno.com gets suckered:
>  >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>  >  	They came from Matthew Monroe.  Any more disbelief and I will sue, 
sue I
>  >  tell you.  I am an attorney and all this sick nazi stuff has to stop.  
>  >  	You are a criminal Mr. McFee, a criminal.  A criminal, I tell you, a
>  >  criminal.  

	Except that anybody with an ounce of sense recognized instantly that 
this was a forgery by one of blackmore's heroe's Matt Giwer.  blackmore wants to 
pretend that he can tell us who and what to believe.

	Now we have a demonstration of his analytical ability.

	Go back to school, little boy.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Fri Oct 18 00:15:27 PDT 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Blackmore: Denier (was Re: Hoess Memoirs)
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris) writes:

  
>  >  	You silly shit.  Ediken is a liar, McVay is a liar, Keren is a liar.  We
>  >  know that.  
  
>  >  	We are all dumbshit little liars.  

>  Thanks for finally admitting it, silly little liar.

	Thanks for being fooled again.

	This is about the sixth time today you have failed to recognize a 
forgery and, as a result, republished forged statements.


	Will you apologize to all those who you have harmed in this way?

	Or will you just call the victims of your stupidity names?

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity
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The criminal Giwer posted the following forgery:


>   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
  
>  	Us real Jews are the Chosen People.  Bow down, Goy.

	This has, of course, been reported to abuse@worldnet.att.net.  In the 
meantime the number of "revisionists" who have publically commented 
on the criminal Giwer's activities is:

	one; T. Moran.  He likes them.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Fri Oct 18 09:25:07 PDT 1996
Article: 75288 of alt.revisionism
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Let's Not Be Beastly to the Germans
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>   dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes:

  
>  I wonder why only kurtzi and "rblackmore" fell for this rather
>  lame forgery attempt. Does anyone need more proof that they are
>  aliases for Giwer?
  
>  Posted/e-mailed to kurtzi.

	Moran seems to have fallen for it as well. Isn't it strange that the marks 
for this hoax are those who insist that their opinions as to the credibility of others 
should be considered definitive.

	--YFE


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>   DKaren@holohugger.com (The Prime Holohugger) writes:
>  On Tue, 15 Oct 1996 21:59:03 +0100, schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka
>  Perrrfect) wrote:

>  >In article <53ve9h$c68@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net>, E@gryn.org 
wrote:
  
>  >> Reflections on the Holocaust
  
>  >ANOTHER forged message by Matt Giwer. I sincerely hope AT&T will take a
>  >serious look at their subscriber and his violations of the law.
  
>  	What law?  Even YFE might be honest enough to admit that if the 
purpose it
>  not illegal, one can be anyone one wishes to be.  
  
	Your purpose was tortious, criminal one.

	--YFE


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>  The Criminbal Giwer (The Prime Holohugger) writes:
>  On 16 Oct 1996 23:01:47 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
  
>  >>   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>  >>  	I know the most embarrassing part of my holocaust is the complete 
and total
>  >>  lack of physical evidence.  I know it all rests upon self contradictory
>  >>  witnesses.  
 
>  >>  	But let me stress that I will lie, cheat and steal to promote this
>  >>  holocaust as if it goes away, I do not have a life.  

>  >	A copy of this forgery has been sent to abuse@worldnet.att.net.

>  	The libel continues.

	Then sue me, Matty poo.

	Do you want the address of a courthouse or two?

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Fri Oct 18 09:25:09 PDT 1996
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>   Keith Morrison  writes:
>  Yale F. Edeiken wrote:

>  >         What worries me is that between the criminal Giwer's forgeries and
>  > Moran's arithmetical problems, they will be asking for their own congressman 
at
>  > the next redistricting.
  
>  What, you don't want to see the representative from the Twilight Zone
>  in the House?

	Darn Canadian.  You just want an excuse to make fun of the U.S.

	--YFE


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>   The Criminal Giwer writes:
>  On 17 Oct 1996 00:38:17 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>  >	What worries me is that between the criminal Giwer's forgeries and 
>  >Moran's arithmetical problems, they will be asking for their own congressman at 
>  >the next redistricting.
  
>  	Criminal?  Can you cite one, and in Uno, 1, one, conviction on these
>  grounds?  

	You have criminally harassed me and my family.  That is enough for me.

  
>  	Give it up, shithead, you are a typical, lying jew lawyer.

	And you are a criminal.

	--YFE

	


From yawen@enter.net Fri Oct 18 09:25:11 PDT 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   rcgraves@ix.netcom.com (Rich Graves) writes:
>  yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:


>  >	They must be very proud of the Freeman brothers.
  
>  [A couple of NA members who killed their parents because they didn't want
>  them involved with neo-Nazis.]
  
>  Is any documentation of this case available online?

	I have seen none.  If you have access to Westlaw the "Allentown 
Morning Call" is archived there.  There were two brothers and a cousin involved.  
The brothers each pleaded guilty to one count of murder one and were sentenced 
to life without parole.  The cousin was convicted of one count of murder one and 
received the same sentence.  The death penalty was not requested.

	In a pre-trial proceeding the videotaped confession of the brothers was 
played.  A recent decision of the trial court was that, since it was played at a 
proceeding before jeopardy had attached, it was not a public document.  That 
decision has been appealed.

	I have a collection of newspaper articles about the case.  If you wish 
copies, e-mail me.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:

  
>  >  	Only a rather stupid person would be fooled by Giwer's forgeries.
  
>  >  	You were.

>  Think so?

	I am being charitable.  The alternative is that you deliberately posted 
forgeries.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: A Bomb in the Key of "D", for DEAD
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>   schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect) writes:
>  In article <53seqi$fvh@juliana.sprynet.com>, rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
  
  
>  > Comment:  It seems that Jewish children were exploited
>  > for the needs of the Partisans as well.  Very sad.
  
>  And in the trenches around Fredericksburg were barefoot boys as young as 
12.
   
>  So the Confederate Army did it as well.
   
>  Your point?

	And please don't forget the charge of the VMI cadets, but not only the 
Confederate army enlisted children.  In the Pennsylvania regiments of the 
Continental Line (American Revolution) of the 1068 soldiers whose age was 
listed at time of recruitment, the following numbers were recruited:

	10 years of age:  4

	11 years of age:  3

	12 years of age:  10

	13 years of age:  7

	14 years of age:  12

	Of those recorded 11% were under the age of 17

	It seems George Washington had no qualms about "exploiting" 
children in the cause of independence, either.

	Source: "The Pennsylvania Line"  John B.B. Trussell

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Sat Oct 19 10:44:35 PDT 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:
  
>  	"Anti-Zionism = anti-Semitism"? 
  	
>  	Yup. This is one of the Jewish community's many absurd proposals.

	No.  This is a rationalization by Jew hating bigots such as you who 
are, at heart,  somewhat ashamed of their bigotry.

	Your attacksd on Jews have nothing to do with "Zionism" and you 
know it.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Sat Oct 19 10:44:36 PDT 1996
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>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:
>  		
>  	They who refuse to debate, oppose debate or stifle debate,
>  declare they don't have the will, the substance or the guts to meet
>  the challenge. It is a sign of cowardice.

	Apparently you are the coward.

>  	It is tacit declaration they know they would lose, that they
>  don't have faith in their position, that they know deep down inside or
>  are consciously aware their own position rots. 

	So when will you agree to arbitration.

  	
>  	This applies to any of those persons and groups that oppose free
>  open discussion on the Holocaust.

	Like T. Moran.  Liar. Anti-Semite. Coward.


	--YFE


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>   kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:

>  Rich, why did you say the convicted Freeman brothers were NA members?

	Becasue they were.
  
>  Are deliberate lies what you resort to in order to smear people and organizations which
>  you hate?

	The Freeman brothers were members of the National Alliance.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:

>  	What should one make of it if someone makes charges of
>  anti-Semitism, neo-Nazism and/or racism and can't or refuses to follow
>  up with an argument for proof?

	Which, in your case, has not happened.  In case it has slipped your 
memory, when you made a challenge that I prove that you are an anti-Semite and 
a liar, I accepted.  I agrred to present such proof before an impartial forum with a 
few minor conditions.  They were:

	1.  That the Federal Rules of Evidence be used.

	2.  That the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure related to discovery and 
Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 52 be used.

	3.  That the loser to pay the cost of of the ADR (Alternate Dispute 
Resolution) body and the cost of any transcription or videotaping.

	I even suggested that the American Arbitration Association (the oldest 
and most respected body doing ADR) be the forum and gave you the telephone 
number of their Los Angeles office.

	You lied about this several times, but you have never either agreed or 
refused this offer.

	So the real question is this:

	What can you say about someone who hasn't the courage of his 
convictions to agree to an impartial arbritation.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:

>  >  	Except that anybody with an ounce of sense recognized instantly that 
>  >  this was a forgery by one of blackmore's heroe's Matt Giwer.  blackmore 
wants to 
>  >  pretend that he can tell us who and what to believe.
  
>  >  	Now we have a demonstration of his analytical ability.
  
>  >  	Go back to school, little boy.

>  Matt Giwer is my hero?

	That's what you told us.  You stated it was a compliment to be 
compared to him.


>  Who is yours?  Meyer Lansky?


	At least he had class.  Giwer has none.

	A jerk who is taken in by a fraud and then hasn't the sense to be mad 
at the person who defrauded him, has none.

	--YFE  
>>>>



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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris) writes:

>  >  You responded to a forged post from Matt Giwer.
>  >  
>  >  While we're on the topic, do you think Matt Giwer's recent spate of
>  >  forgeries is conducive to open debate?

>  Can't you see we're playing with you?  Silly people.

	Apparently you are admitting that you were involved in forging post.  You 
are very silly.  You would be in much better shape by just admitting that you were 
fooled.

	--YFE	


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   Brian Harmon  writes:

  
>  >  Well, 'in your opinion' Kramer did all he could to help 
>  >  the inmates of Belsen, which included:
   
>  >     - refusing to give them water
  
>  He didn't refuse.  There wasn't any.

	The British found it, didn't they?
  
>  >     - refusing to give them food
  
>  He didn't refuse.  there was none for him to give.  he
>  wasn't Christ where he could feed thousands with loaves
>  and fishes.

	The British found it, didn't they?
  
>  >     - refusing to give them medical attention
  
>  They had plenty of doctors.  Little or no supplies.

	The "supplies" needed for control of typhus are common sense and 
boiling water.  

>  >     - forcing them to work without any of the above.
  
>  Do you imagine all 60,000 inmates were made to work?

>  The only work some of them were compelled to do was
>  help bury putrifying corpses or cooking food.

	You are fabricating again. You cannot say in one sentence that there 
was no food and in the next that the inmates were cooking food.
	  
>  >  Your opinions of how Kramer 'helped' the inmates are
>  >  interesting, to put the matter lightly.	
>  
>  They are facts, whether interesting or otherwise.

	They are lies you created to justify your hero worship.


	--YFE



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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) writes:
>  On 17 Oct 1996 00:43:22 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>  >>   olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) writes:
   
>  >>    What really happened to the millions of Jews who lived in Poland before 
>  >>  the WW2? 
  
>  >      90% were murdered.  
  
>   And which evidence does lawyer Edeiken have? Does he have the identity or 
>  the bodies of all those Jews that he claims were murdered? No the only thing
>  that he has is the ravings of some German nazis.

	And the fact that there are no more Jews in Poland.

  
>  >The murderers were your nazi heroes.  Does 
>  >that clear it up, nazi boy?

>   I am not a nazi, and the German nazis are not my heroes. I am only 
>  interested in the Truth.

	And the truth is that you are a nazi.

	--YFE


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>   kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:
>  yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

  
>  >	You.  There is absolutely no question that they were members of the 
>  >NA.
  
>  Wrong.  They were not members of the NA.  You are a lying sack of shit as usual.

	That's strange.  They filed a motion with the Court of Common Pleas of 
Lehigh County swearing, under oath, that they were.

	--YFE


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>   kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:

>  >[A couple of NA members who killed their parents because they didn't want
>  >them involved with neo-Nazis.]
  
>  >Is any documentation of this case available online?
  
>  As it turns out, Rich, the "NA members who killed their parents" weren't NA 
members.
  
>  Who lying now?

	You.  There is absolutely no question that they were members of the 
NA.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Sat Oct 19 10:44:42 PDT 1996
Article: 75674 of alt.revisionism
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Let's Not Be Beastly to the Germans
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>   dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes:

  
>  Look before you jump, nazi-boy. You have responded to a
>  forgery. I didn't post that.

	And now that the rather obvious forgery of the criminal Giwer and the 
cupidity of blackmore in accepting it at face value has been exposed, do you 
want to bet that blackmore will not be mad at the criminal Giwer.  He will be mad 
at you.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Sat Oct 19 13:59:38 PDT 1996
Article: 75712 of alt.revisionism
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Einsatzgruppen Reports - OSR USSR #45
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) writes:

>  >  This is known as "the Ehrlich ploy," after the first incarnation to 
>  >  demonstrate its use. Blackmore/Bellinger is simply demonstrating the 
>  >  strength of habitual behavior.

>  50 years of continuous, unremitting Holocaust
>  propaganda gives you the edge, I think.

	An even better edge is having the facts and the evidence on your side. 
 McVay has both.  You have neither.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Sat Oct 19 14:19:58 PDT 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.misc
Subject: Re: Worldnet: here's a BIG raspberry..
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>   clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca (Chris Lewis) writes:
>  In article <548kd7$bpq@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>,
>  Ken McVay OBC  wrote:
>  >In article <32756b69.5609522@netnews.worldnet.att.net>, 
>  >Old.Salt@worldnet.att.net (Old Salt) wrote:

>  >Complaint desks for continent-wide ISPs are, by their nature,
>  >swamped with issues needing attention - it sometimes takes
>  >weeks to see results from Netcom, for instance, but I have
>  >_always_ received two things from them (at the very minimum):
>  >
>  >1. acknowledgement of my incoming complaint
  
>  You've received acks from netcom?  What makes you so special?

	I have received them as well.  It was, obviously, an automated process 
as they appeared in my box within 30 minutes of the e-mailed complaint.
  
	Of course, I had to work my way through their bureacracy (about 1 
hour on the phone) until I received something more than the automated response.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.misc
Subject: Re: WorldNet: forged vertical spam in alt.revisionismm
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>   Old.Salt@worldnet.att.net (Old Salt) writes:
>  On 17 Oct 1996 01:55:57 -0700, rcgraves@ix.netcom.com (Rich Graves)
>  gave us his/her 2 cents:

>  >List of Message-IDs follows.

>  >Matt Giwer  has posted at least 125 articles to
>  >alt.revisionism in recent days, most of them forged. In my opinion,
>  >"content-free forged message with the stated purpose of making the
>  >newsgroup unusable" qualifies as "substantially similar content," but I
>  >have issued no cancels myself. In my opinion, immediate and ongoing
>  >cancellation of all articles in alt.revisionism with NNTP-Posting-Host
>  >matching /tampa.*att.net/ is warranted, but given that I approach this
>  >subject with certain biases, having been repeatedly libeled and threatened
>  >by Mr. Giwer, I will not implement such a solution myself. 
>  	This will be taken care of!

	Sure.  Just as soon as ATT figures out where to on-off switch is . . . .

	--YFE

	


From yawen@enter.net Sat Oct 19 16:36:00 PDT 1996
Article: 75728 of alt.revisionism
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: DAVID IRVING to tour Australia????
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>   kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:

>  >yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>  >>	That's strange.  They filed a motion with the Court of Common Pleas of 
>  >>Lehigh County swearing, under oath, that they were.

>  >They were not NA members nor have they ever been you lying scum-sucking 
dirtbag. You are
>  >bluffing sack of shit, a Jew AND a lawyer, the worst of the worst. 

>  There you go, Yale.  Straight from an NA member!  Now what do you say to that, 
eh?

	When the Freeman brothers filed their motion before the Court of 
Common Pleas of Lehigh County stating under oath that they were members of the 
National Alliance, the District Attorney of Lehigh County not only agreed with that 
allegation but stated that he intended to use that fact in evidence against them at 
trial.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Sun Oct 20 09:44:16 PDT 1996
Article: 75804 of alt.revisionism
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Rosa Lopez vs Ada Bimko
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:

>  I don't know why you wasted your time or mine with this lame attempt to 
>  defend a proven LIAR.  Let me address your "salient" points....

	Hardly "lame."  He demolished you.

  
>  was to direct attention to the fact that she must have been a very strange type 
of physician,
>  who apparently could not differentiate between a male or a female.  The 
comment was
>  used sarcastically.  

	After you lied about her testimony.


>  I don't find it relevant to her lies.

	There were no lies.

	There is one liar here.  It is blackmore.

	--YFE



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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:
>  yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

  
>  >	You.  There is absolutely no question that they were members of the 
>  >NA.
  
>  Wrong.  They were not members of the NA.  You are a lying sack of shit as usual.

	That's strange.  They filed a motion with the Court of Common Pleas of 
Lehigh County swearing, under oath, that they were.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Sun Oct 20 09:44:17 PDT 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: learning
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>   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>  	I know the most embarrassing part of my holocaust is the complete and total
>  lack of physical evidence.  I know it all rests upon self contradictory
>  witnesses.  
>  
>  	But let me stress that I will lie, cheat and steal to promote this
>  holocaust as if it goes away, I do not have a life.  
>  
>  
>>>>
	A copy of this forgery has been sent to abuse@worldnet.att.net.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Sun Oct 20 14:57:13 PDT 1996
Article: 75968 of alt.revisionism
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: More Wayout Claims From Moran
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>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) makes an idiot of himself again:


	In the midst of one of his usual anti-Semitic diatribes Moran annouces:


>  	Anyway, on to the way out population claim, the kind of stuff you
>  won't see any Catholic ever blurting out.

	Since Moran is a Catholic, let us see what he is complaining about:

  
>  	The rabbi, "Rabbi Schulwies noted that a modern Jewish historian,
>  Salo Baron, estimated that the number of Jews grew [through
>  proselytizing] from 150,000 in 586 B.C. to 8 million in the 1st
>  Century A.D., and that the Gospel of Matthew expressed early Christian
>  hostility ..."	

	Which seems to be about the number most historians of the period agree 
upon.  Michael Grant, one of the most widely read historians of that period, states in 
"The Jews in the Roman World"  (1973):  "Numerically taken over the whole earth 
they [the Jews] were fewer in those days than they are now -- perhaps eight million 
as against fourteen million today.  But no less than seven of these eight million were 
in the Roman empire where they constituted between six and nine per cent of the 
population -- in the eastern provinces, the percentage was perhaps as high as 
twenty." (page vii) 

  
>  	"8 million"? His first impulse was probably to make it 80
>  million, but even a Jew knows that incredible claims can be way too
>  incredible.

	Since that estimate -- which Moran finds "incredible" --  is the one 
accepted by historians, it is obvious that the one who "blurted" out a silly claim was 
Moran.

	The reason that Moran made such a silly claim is also obvious.  Moran -- 
 is a liar and an anti-Semite.
  
>  	Would this Jewish historian be able to substantiate even 10% of
>  his 8 million claim with recognized scientific methods, or would he
>  have to muster up an righteous dose of chutzpa? 

	It would be simple for him to do so.  All he would have to do is open a 
book.

>  
>  	"8 million" would be a substantial number in those days and would
>  have created a certain documentable existence.

	Which historians have no trouble in finding.  But since Moran seems to 
be allergic to libraries,  he cannot.

	And so, Moran is once more proven to be an idiot.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Sun Oct 20 23:37:23 PDT 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Add Yale Edeiken to the Discovery Channel
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:

>  Apparently what's wrong with you is worse than what is wrong
>  with me.   Fool, my point was, how many of the 4,000,000 given
>  by the Polish Commission referred to non-Jews specifically? 

	Learn something, little boy.  You wer caught in a lie.  Now you are 
trying to squirm out of it.  The position of the Polish government was never to 
mention the word "Jew."  The "Jewish" exhibit at Auschwitz was opened only 
for Jewish and American tourists.


> If
>  you break it down, you will see that the OVERWHELMING majority
>  of these faked figures were still claimed to be Jews. 

	Prove it.  Give us the Polish representations of this.
 
>  Also, here is the figure given by the Jewish author Nathan Ausubel
>  in his widely disseminated book, "The Pictorial History of the Jewish people"
>  which went through more than 11 editions and repeated the same 
>  lie over and over again:

	You have found a single source making that statement.  The fact is 
the the most widely read books and references including the Encyclopedia 
Judiaca and "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" do not state that number.

  
>  BTW, I win so many victories on alt.revisionism that I have no
>  need to "crow" about it.  It is only dyed in the wool fanatics like
>  yourself who refuse to budge an inch, even when your nose is
>  shoved in the truth.

	You are deluding yourself.

	Now answer the real question:  were you involved in the forgeries . . 
.or were you just blowing hot air when you implied you were?

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Mon Oct 21 07:03:12 PDT 1996
Article: 76063 of alt.revisionism
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: blackmore: a Forger?
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:

>  >  	I am being charitable.  The alternative is that you deliberately posted 
>  >  forgeries.

>  Like you?

	No I have never forged anybody's name to a post.

	Now answer the question:  were you involved.

	Any response but a direct answer will be taken as a positive response.

	--YFE	


From yawen@enter.net Mon Oct 21 07:03:13 PDT 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: blackmore: a Forger?
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:

>  >  	No I have never forged anybody's name to a post.
  
>  >  	Now answer the question:  were you involved.
  
>  >  	Any response but a direct answer will be taken as a positive 
response.

>  Take it however you like, you always do.

	Any way you want it, little boy.  A complaint about your forgery to 
your ISP will shortly be filed.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Infobahnos.com user needs your help!
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>   jtoth@infobahnos.com (Judith Toth) writes:
>  kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) wrote:
>  
>  >To the support desk, infobahnos.com:

>  TOTH ANSWERS: <<< It seems that when the Lord was distributing
>  paranoia Mr. McVay returned at least twice for handouts. 
>  	 McVay  tells us: he wouldn't contact an ISP about this sort of thing
>  but  did it  anyway.  He  just couldn't resist  such golden occasion!
>  - he thought.  Eventhough I never accused anyone or any company by
>  name for deleting my articles!  My simple little question caused more
>  uproar than any Holocaust-denial! WHY? Did I step on some sensitive
>  toes?
>  	I just fail to see how I am casting "bad light" on my server with
>  asking a simple question. Explain please!!! "Unwarranted attacks upon
>  the  company " [that is my server]? How? What does my server have to
>  do with all this? 
>  	I simply asked a question: "Who deletes my postings?" - but the
>  reaction to this was literally breath-taking. 

	Are you really as stupid as your appear or just doing a good imitation?

	--YFE


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Article: 76243 of alt.revisionism
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Let's Not Be Beastly to the Germans
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:

>  >  	They are lies you created to justify your hero worship.

>  Yale, no one even takes you seriously any more....you
>  are the man who advised to give the inmates water from
>  cisterns which had rotting corpses and turds floating in
>  it......

	Liar.  I stated there was potable water available which Kramer did not bother 
to supply to the prisoners in his charge.  That is fact.  The other stuff is the fabrication of 
you and the criminal Giwer -- your co-conspirator in the forging of posts.

--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect) writes:

>  3. If "they" is the Federal Government, why can't the avergae person read
>  the Congressional Record? I certainly can.
   
>  Sara

	You have a very strong stomach and, in all probability, an addiction to 
No-Doze.  Seek help.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity
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>   karlpov@access5.digex.net (Charles R.L. Power) writes:

>  >>  Based on authoritative documentation like someone's alleged after-
>  >>  diner speech at a Rotary Club.

>  >It wasn't alleged, and the Judge repeated these comments at
>  >many other public funtions.
  
>  It certainly was alleged, on this newsgroup at least. You're
>  alleging it right now.

	Not only that.  It was claimed that his remarks were taken down 
"verbatim."  When a source was requested, blackmore informed us to to look it 
up in the newspaper.  He neglected -- for obvious reasons -- to even bother to 
name the newspaper.  The only surviving newspaper in Philadelphia from that era 
is the "Inquirer."  The other two major papers were the "Public Ledger" and the 
"Bulletin."   I checked with the morgue of the "Inquirer."  They have no record of 
a verbatim report of Leroy's remarks.  I also checked with a retired editor of that 
paper who was a reporter in that era.  He stated that it would have been most 
unusual to send a reporter out for a speech like that.  He speculated that if the 
Inky carried the story, it was a brief note based on a press release.  He suggested 
that if there was a newspaper report, it would have appeared in one of the 
suburban papers; his specific suggestion was a weekly the "Delaware County 
Times" which was the largest circulation paper in that area.  A check with the 
Free Library of Philadelphia indicated that they have no archive copies of that 
paper.

	More when I get a free day to travel to Philadelphia.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Let's Not Be Beastly to the Germans
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   rajiv_gandhi@bc.sympatico.ca (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes:

>  >  Youšve posted nothing which has not already been soundly refuted.

>  Daydream believer.......

	Realist.

	--YFE


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Article: 76276 of alt.revisionism
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: A Short Sharp Lesson for blackmore
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	balckmore -- the king of the "I want proof" deniers wrote that the 
defendants in teh Malmedy court petitioned the U.S. Supreme Court for relief but: 
"The Supreme Court refused his petition, saying it lacked jurisdiction over the 
acts committed by the United States in Germany, a statement which means that 
the United States Military Government is above the law, and the 'sovereignity' 
we claim in Germany is that of a lawless despot."  In response C. Powers asked 
him for a citation to the case.  blackmore refused, telling him to look it up himself.

	That is impossible.  There is no such opinion and blackmore has been 
caught  -- again -- distorting a source beyond all recognition.

	To understand what happened a little knowledge of the technical side 
of legal research is important.  There are several parts to any case decided by 
the Supreme Court (or any other).  One part is the "decision:" a short -- frequently 
only a couple of words -- statement of what the court has decided.  No reason 
for a "decision" are contained in the statement of decision.  Those are found in  
another part of the case, the "opinion:" a statement of the reasons why the court 
decided the way it did.  This is quite important in researching Supreme Court 
cases.  There are various search tools for finding a case  by content when an 
opinion has been rendered.  Cases where there has just been a "decision" are 
contained on tables and the name of the case or an accurate legal citation to a 
court below are required.  There was no opinion written in the "petition" filed by 
the Malmedy defendants.  The Supreme Court never stated its reasons for 
refusing to hear the "petition."  Thus, the statement by blackmore as to the 
reasons why the Supreme Court refused the petition are a fabrication.

	Moreover, the reasons he cites are in direct conflict with the actual 
published opinions of the Supreme Court.  In Hirota v. MacArthur 338 U.S. 197 
(1948) one of the defendants in the Japanese war crimes trials filed a Habeus 
Corpus Petition (presumably what was filed in the Malmedy case, as this would 
be the proper technical form of the "petition"  Everett filed) to bring issues before 
the Court similar to those of the Dachau cases.  This petition was denied -- 
with opinion -- on the grounds that the Supreme Court did not have ORIGINAL 
jurisdiction.  This is, apaprently, what happened in the Malmedy petition.

	Again, some knowledge of the technical aspect of the law is required. 
 "Original jurisdiction" is as different from "jurisdiction" as -- thank you Mr. 
Clemens -- "lightening" is from a "lightening bug."  "Original jurisdiction" refers to 
power of a court to hear cases first filed in that forum.   A trial court is a court of 
"original jurisdiction;"  an appellate court like the Supreme Court is not.  There 
are a few circumstances defined by the Constitution where the U.S. Supreme 
Court has "original jurisdiction."  They are quite rare.  One, being tried right now, 
is the dispute between New York and New Jersey over the ownership of the 
Statue of Liberty.  Thus the Supreme Court was quite correct in ruling that they 
had no "original jurisdiction."

	This does not have the meaning that blackmore place on it, however. 
 As Douglas noted in his concurring opinion in Hirota (found at 38 U.S. 199, 69 
S.Ct. 1238), the court that has "original jurisdiction" is the U.S. District Court for 
Washington, D.C.  In fact jurisdiction was accepted and the case heard on just 
such a habeus corpus petition of another German accused of war crimes in 
Eisentrager v. Forrestal 174 F.2d 961 (D.C. Cir.; 1949)

	In short, blackmore's contention that the Supreme Court's refusal to 
hear the Malmedy petition places the military government in Germany "above the 
law"  is nonsense based either upon his legal ignorance or his willful distortion of 
the law.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Moran Admits He Is a Coward
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>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:
>  >In article <32758246.2179918@199.0.216.204>, tm@pacificnet.net (tom 
moran) unleashed his usual meaningless bombast:

>  >>         They who refuse to debate, oppose debate or stifle debate,
>  >> declare they don't have the will, the substance or the guts to meet
>  >> the challenge. It is a sign of cowardice.

	To which Sara Schwartz noted:

>  >But since all that comes from you is hate-filled, stereotypical racism,
>  >there's nothing WORTH debating.


	Then T. Moran disclosed who he was talking about;

>  	Who said anything about debating with you? I don't care what you
>  say, and I'm not concerned with convincing you of anything. You are
>  insignificant. 

	In other words, Moran admits that he does not possess "the will, the 
substance or the guts to meet the challenge."  By his own standards, he is a 
coward.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Tue Oct 22 19:05:08 PDT 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Another blackmore Peculiarity
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>   kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:
>  rblackmore@juno.com wrote:

>  >Hmmmm.  Not at all, the SS themselves executed Goeth, Koch, and
>  >other camp commanders who abused the prisoners under their
>  >charge.  Rascher was also executed by the SS.

>  The SS trying and then executing their own soldiers for mistreating Jews?   
Why, that
>  would have hardly been necessary if the Nazi goal was to KILL them all.  The 
man would
>  have been awarded a Nazi medal instead of being executed!  

	The blind leading the blind.

	Koch was arrested and tried for stealing 200,000 marks (his salary at 
the time was 960 marks/month) after an extended investigation.  During his trial 
his was also accused of killing three prisoners -- two from Buchenwald and one 
>from  Lubin -- who knew of his thefts and were prepared to testify against him.

	Goeth was also arrested in the same probe for theft.  The war ended 
before he could be tried.  He was captured by U.S. soldiers and turned over to 
the Poles.  They tried him and hung him.

	Did blackmore know this when he wrote the demonstrably inaccurate 
statement with which Stele so readily agreed?  The information is included in 
"Soldiers of Evil" (Ton Segev, 1987).  blackmore has previously stated that he 
has read this book.

	Draw your own conclusions.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Blackmore: Denier (was Re: Hoess Memoirs)
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris) writes:

>  >  >Can't you see we're playing with you?  Silly people.
  
>  >  Pardon me? Are you saying that you were a party to forging my name and
>  >  userid on posts to alt.revisionism?

>  Think whatever you like-you do anyway.  Paranoid kook.

	It is hardly paranoid.  He, like many of us, was a victim of a crime in 
which you now claim participation.

>  Fact is, I have NO ties to Mr. Giwer at all, nor do I care
>  what he does.  That is your problem.

	Were you lying when you stated "we're palying with you" or are you 
lying now?

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity
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>   dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes:
>  kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:
>  
>  # Nope!  There existed certain SS officers who were
>  # executed SOLEY on the basis of mistreating Jewish
>  # inmates alone.

>  Name them. All those given by "rblackmore" were executed for
>  other reasons. One of them, Goeth, which "rblackmore" claimed
>  was executed by the SS, was actually tried and executed by
>  the Poles after the war.

	I would not be surprised if there were not a few disciplined for 
maltreating inmates; I would be very surprised if the victims were Jews.  I think 
that we are looking at the "revisionist" bait and switch that Baron has pulled a 
couple of times.  There were many inmates at concentration camps that were not 
of the groups for which murder was intended -- political prisoners and common 
criminals.  Especially in the early years of the concentration camps there was an 
effort to "re-educate" these type of prisoners and it could be expected that these 
prisoners were treated less brutally.

	Segev, in "Soldiers of Evil," argues that one of the reasons that the 
Death's Head soldiers were as brutal as they were when the KZ became large 
killing and slave labor factories, was that they gradually became inured to an 
increasing level of brutality over the years.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Einsatzgruppen Reports - OSR USSR #45
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>   A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron) writes:

>  
>  I would be interested in any information on this deposition Nyiszli gave,
>  like where can I find a citation, and what happened to him after the war.
>  He did exist (I've found proof) but this apparently so important witness
>  literally disappeared into thin air.

	In "The Nazi Doctors" Lifton cites the deposition as having been given 
 on 28 July 1945 before the Budapest Commission for the Welfare of Deported 
Hungarian Jews.  I presume that it is not in English although Lifton quoted from it. 
 Lifton teaches at the John Jay College i9n New York City.  You might consider 
contacting him directly.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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	Several of the local "revisionists" have claimed that the U.S. 
government has "financed" the U.S. Holocaust Museum in Washington and, in 
support of this contention, cite 34 U.S.C. 1401.  Apparently none of them have 
bothered to read the law to which they refer.  Title 34 authorizes a number of 
organizations of national interest.  Among others are the National Ski Patrol, the 
Grand Army of the Republic, the Boy Scouts, the Girl Scouts, the National 
Federation of Music Clubs, the Future Farmers of America, the Agricultural Hall of 
Fame, the Little League, and the Daughters of the American Revolution.

	Chapter 46, authorizes the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Council as "an 
independent Federal establishment." (section 1401)  It is authorized, inter alia, to 
assist in the building of the museum but neither finances or operates it.  Section 
1408 provides that "none of the funds authorized herein may be available for 
construction."  Aside from the operation of the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Council, 
the only appropriated funds that can be used by the Museum are for 
the purchase of insurance required by section 1406 (e)

	--YFE	


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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
> 
>  Mr.  Edeikin, whose very profession produces contempt in most people.
>  Not quite.  I have replied to Mr. Edeikin's disinformation.

	With, it should be noted, a pack of outright lies.

>  You choose odd bed-fellows, Mr. Power.  Instead of
>  seeking after truth you choose to pursue lies and 
>  distortions.  However, this is all you have, and you
>  must live with your lies if you make the choice to 
>  propagate them. 

	Coming from a person who was just caught is an outright lie.

	At this point you are fooling no-one except yourself.

	--YFE



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>   rblackmore@juno.com having been caught in a lie tries to cover up with a few 
more:
>  >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>  >  	
>  That is impossible.  There is no such opinion and blackmore has been 
>  >  caught  -- again -- distorting a source beyond all recognition.

>  >  	In short, blackmore's contention that the Supreme Court's refusal to 
>  >  hear the Malmedy petition places the military government in Germany 
"above the 
>  >  law"  is nonsense based either upon his legal ignorance or his willful 
distortion of 
>  >  the law.

>  In fact, there was no "law".
>  All these technicalities of which Mr. Edeikin writes are simply 
>  another ploy to divert the reader's attention away from the facts.

	The facts in thios case is that blackmore announced that there was a 
Supreme Court decision which stated that U.S. courts have no jurisdiction over 
the war crimes trials.  When asked for a citation, he refused to give it.  When 
researched it turned out that there was no such opinion.

>  It is a rather obvious ploy which Mr. Edeikin uses over and over
>  again.  No one is being fooled by it.  Mr. Edeikin is a lawyer after
>  all, but a lawyer with an axe to grind.  The facts are exactly as I
>  quoted them.

	But blackmore will still not prodcue that decision.


>  The legal precedent for these trials were set at Nuremberg,
>  where in the original charter, Paragraph VII of Ordinance No. 7, we find:
>  
>  "The Tribunals shall not be bound by technical rules of evidence.  They
>  shall adopt and apply to the greatest extent expeditious and non-technical
>  procedure, and shall admit any evidence which they deem to have
>  probative value.

	Which is irrelevant.  The Dachau trials were not conducted under the 
Nuremberg Charter but U.S. military law.  The old "revisionist" bait and switch.


>  So, here is the precedent in a nutshell:  The tribunals shall NOT be 
>  bound by "technical rules of evidence".....Of course not, otherwise
>  the accused might have received a fair trial, especially when an
>  accusation must be proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

	blackmore again shows his ignorance of law.  He should take note of 
the following points.

	1.  This provision set the rules of evidence for a tribunal presided over 
by judges from four different countries with four quite different rules of evidence.  
Some ground rules had to be applied.

	2.  That a criminal charge must be proven beyond a reasonable doubt, 
is not a rule of evidence.  Nor was it recognized under German, French, or 
Russian law.

	3.  The rules actually adopted included such provisions as allowing the 
defendants to make unsworn statements that were not subject to 
cross-examination.  Perhaps blackmore will demonstrate how unfair that is or 
name a few Anglo-American jurisdictions which permit this procedure.
  
>  Indeed, the accused were allowed the "right" to question the authenticity
>  of the "documents" but the final decision rested with the victors.

	No, the final decision lay with the tribunal.  It alwasy does.


  
>  Note further:
  
>  "The Judges were also given the right to be informed beforehand
>  of any evidence to be presented by the defense, and could refuse to
>  allow it if they did not consider it "relevant".  
  
>  How convenient for the prosecution!  

	The standard procedure in any American court-room, civil or criminal.  
Even in jurisdictions which limit discovery in criminal cases, an offer of proof can 
be demanded.  Every court that I have ever appeared in permits an objection for 
lack of relevance.


  
>  Dr. Kranzbuehler, attorney for the Krupp family, availed himself of the 
>  rare opportunity to protest such measures.  He said:

>  "These defendants have no constitutional rights.  It has been 
>  confirmed again and again to them that the guarantees given
>  in American procedure are not applicable to them....."
  
>  On February 27, 1948, Kranzbuehler sent a telegram to President
>  Truman saying that "all endeavors to secure a fair trial" had been
>  frustrated "on account of rules originating from American military
>  authorities," and appealing to the President of the United States
>  for "help and relief."  His appeal was not answered.


	Nor should it have been.  Note, as well, the ususal "revisionist" trick.  
A lawyer for the nazis says so.  Therefore it must be true.
  
>  These are the real facts concerning Nuremberg.

	Your statement did not refer to Nuremberg, it referrred to trials held 
under U.S. law.

>  Mr. Edeikin's
>  "Dirty Dancing" fools no one who has access to the whole truth,
>  something he seeks to conceal and distort on a more or less
>  continual basis.  My question is "why"?

	blackmore, fresh from admitting to being an accomplice is forging 
posts now tries to obsfuscate his dishonesty.  blackmore claimed that there is a 
an opinion from the U.S. Supreme Court stating that they had no jurisdiction over 
trials held pursuant to U.S. law at Dachau.  He refused to produce the opinion 
and told others to do their own research.  It was done.  Not only was there no 
such opinion ever written but the point he made was flatly contradicted by 
another opinion of the U.S. Supreme Court (Hirota v. MacArthur 338 U.S. 197) 
which explains the proper procedure and the fact that another defendant at 
those trials was allowed to appeal to U.S. courts (Eisentrager v. Forrestal 174 
F.2d 961).  Any competent researcher could find those opinions at any county 
law library.

	blackmore resorts, as seems to be his habit, to calling names and 
throwing out red herrings.

	To prove his contentions would be very simple.  All he has to do is 
produce the opinion of the Supreme Court to which he claims he referred.  He 
does not.  He cannot.

	--YFE

		


From yawen@enter.net Thu Oct 24 08:20:14 PDT 1996
Article: 76679 of alt.revisionism
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Fill Me In: What happened to the Giwer-Swine?
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>   Hardwire  writes:

>  Your ignorance at the situation is overwhelming.  I am not now, nor have 
>  I ever been, of any relation to Matthias Giwer.

	Sure, Matty poo.  That's why you're posting uder your real name.


>  However, I happen to 
>  know of the man's plight.

	Sure.  Nobody likes poor Matty poo.  He should be allowed to mailbomb 
those who he disagrees with, criminally harrass others, make death threats when he 
feels like it, and forge posts whenever he feels like it.  Rules don't apply to Matty 
poo.

>  I also know of his persecutors.

	Do you alos know the outraged victims of his criminal activities.

	--YFE


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>   slepokuo@cadvision.com (Orest Slepokura) writes:
>  
>  The Calgary Sun, Wednesday, October 23, 1996 NEWS 19
>  
>  CSIS mole living in style
>  
>  EDMONTON (Special) - Grant Bristow, a former Canadian Security
>  Intelligence Service mole, has slipped back into his posh $200,000 home in
>  St. Albert, the *Sun* has learned.

	WOW!  A guy moves back into his own house!

	How dare this man actually live in his own house when hundrens of 
needy NA members have to content themselves with flat rocks?

	One can only wonder how western civilization can survive this 
outrage!

	--YFE




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>   brs1478@aol.com (BRS 1478) writes:

>  
>  The Constitution wasn't written to demand allegiance to ITSELF, as in the
>  fetishitic worship of an inanimate object.   It was written ONLY as a
>  MEANS to preserve and further the EUROPEAN AMERICANS who wrote it.  It
>  wasn't written to confer citizenship to Blacks living in America.  Had the
>  Founding Fathers thought it would be so used, they would be prevented its
>  issuance.   They obviously didn't favor that.  They didn't WANT that. 
>  They OPPOSED that.

	Jefferson did not oppose it.  He signed, as governor of Viginia, a law 
granting freedom and citizenship to any black man who enlisted in the Continental 
army.


  
>  The Constitution was written in trust that later generations would adhere
>  to its original meaning -- to preserve and protect the people who wrote
>  it:  European Americans.   George Washington and Jefferson weren't in the
>  LEAST bit ashamed of that fact

	Nor was Washington ashamed of being commander of a racially 
integrated army.  As many as 10% of his soldiers were black.


>  If Thomas Jefferson was alive, and found out the Constitution which those
>  great men wrote was now being used to justify and mandate multiracialism,
>  do you know what he'd do? 

	He would cheer.  Read his original draft of the Decalaration of 
Independence.

	--YFE
  




From yawen@enter.net Thu Oct 24 11:43:20 PDT 1996
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>   Hardwire  writes:
>  >BWAHAHAHAHHA fuck you, you fat-assed nazi pig
  
  
>  This kind reply was not POSTED to the newsgroups at all, but sent as
>  personal E-mail directly to me.  I felt that it was appropriate to show
>  you all to exactly what depths people sink, and exactly what type of
>  mentality thrives on groups such as this.. sort of like the ramora on
>  the shark wouldn't you say?

	Let us not forget that paradigm of civility that you mailed to me and my 
family Matty poo:

	"I am tired of your shit.  Fuck off."

	Maybe somone was just speaking to you in a language you can 
understand.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Fri Oct 25 09:02:12 PDT 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Fill Me In: What happened to the Giwer-Swine?
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>   Hardwire  writes:

>  What good would it do?  E-mail is not admissable as evidence in ANY 
>  sense.  Anything can be forged, especially something as simple as 
>  electronic mail.  Anyone with adequate knowledge of how to run an IP 
>  spoofer can send mail that will appear for all practical purposes to come 
>  from the president@whitehouse.gov if they wish.

	Like you tried to do, Matty poo.

>  Another thing I find HIGHLY amusing.  The newsgroups (and Email I will 
>  add), is kind of like television, if you don't like the "flavour" of what 
>  you're watching all you need do is to turn the channel.  Yet it still 
>  seems that fingers so adept at working the remote without sight can fail 
>  so miserably to function when it comes time to "turn the channel".

	It's hard to "turn the channel" Matty poo when you attempt to disrupt 
someone's service with a mailbomb.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Fri Oct 25 09:02:12 PDT 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: THE FATE OF THE POLISH JEWS DURING WW2
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>   olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) writes:

  
>   I have never endorsed cancellation of the right to vote, to form political
>  parties and the freedom of speech. How can you say that I am in favour of
>  dictatorship?

	Except, of course, for those whose face color does not meet your fancy.


>   You seem to be ignorant of what nazism really is. To you the term "nazi" 
>  is reduced to an invective that you fling in the teeth of those with whom
>  you disagree.

	No, just nazi wannabes ike you.

	--YFE



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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: A Short Sharp Lesson for blackmore
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:

>  >  >  That is impossible.  There is no such opinion and blackmore has been 
>  >  >  >  caught  -- again -- distorting a source beyond all recognition.  
  
>  Nonsense, of course.

	blackmore says "nonsense."  He does not, of course,  tell us where to find 
this opinion of which the U.S. Reports has never been notified.


>  >  	Nor should it have been.  Note, as well, the ususal "revisionist" trick.  
>  >  A lawyer for the nazis says so.  Therefore it must be true.
  
>  Of course if Mr. Edeikin had his way, the Nazis would have
>  received no representation whatsoever.  As it turns out, it did
>  them little good anyway, as their sentences had already been 
>  predetermined before the trials ever began.

	blackmore says so.  Can he present some evidence for this?  No.  The 
deliberations of the Nuremberg tribunal are well-documented.  They document that 
blackmore is lying.

>  >  	blackmore, fresh from admitting to being an accomplice is forging 
>  >  posts now tries to obsfuscate his dishonesty.
  
>  I never admitted any such thing.  You are a paranoid fool
>  who has no answer to argument save duplicity.

	You states so.  When asked to clarify your statement, you refused.

  
>    blackmore claimed that there is a 
>  >  an opinion from the U.S. Supreme Court stating that they had no jurisdiction over 
>  >  trials held pursuant to U.S. law at Dachau. 
  
>  I offered a quote and the quote was quoted correctly.  Aside from
>  that, it is the truth-something which seems to upset Mr. Edeikin.

	A quote from who?  Not the SUpreme Court of the U.S.  They never made 
such a statement.

>   but the point he made was flatly contradicted by 
>  >  another opinion of the U.S. Supreme Court (Hirota v. MacArthur 338 U.S. 197) 
>  >  which explains the proper procedure and the fact that another defendant at 
>  >  those trials was allowed to appeal to U.S. courts (Eisentrager v. Forrestal 174 
>  >  F.2d 961).  Any competent researcher could find those opinions at any county 
>  >  law library.
  
>  Another distortion and a lie.

	Sure, forger.  That's why you cannot produce the opinion.
  
  
>  >  	To prove his contentions would be very simple.  All he has to do is 
>  >  produce the opinion of the Supreme Court to which he claims he referred.  He 
>  >  does not.  He cannot.

>  The Supreme Court refused to hear the case-comprende?

	Yes. it is apparently you who does not.  You stated they refused to hear the 
case on the grounds that they had no jurisdiction to hear cases about U.S. military 
tribunals in Germany.  They made no such statement.


>    where in the original charter, Paragraph VII of Ordinance No. 7, we find:
    
>    "The Tribunals shall not be bound by technical rules of evidence.  They
>    shall adopt and apply to the greatest extent expeditious and non-technical
>    procedure, and shall admit any evidence which they deem to have  probative 
value. 

>    	Which is irrelevant.  The Dachau trials were not conducted under the 
>    Nuremberg Charter but U.S. military law.  The old "revisionist" bait and switch. 
  
>  No one is being fooled by your duplicity here, Mr. Edeikin.
>  The low standards set at Nuremberg were valid for all
>  subsequent trials of accused Germans. 		  

	Again.  The Nuremberg Tribunal -- as explained in the part of the post you 
edited -- was a unique multi-national tribunal which had to set the rules and 
procedures they would use.  The "technical rules of evidence" were radically different 
in all four countries that sat on the tribunal and all four were radically different from the 
country from which the defendants' counsel were trained.  The later trials -- which 
were conducted differently -- did not use the Nuremberg charter.  The Dachua trials -- 
those under discussion -- used U.S. military law.

	Why the herringmeister tries to hide this, is obvious.

	--YFE


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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>     yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:

   
>    	Learn something, little boy.  You wer caught in a lie
  
>  No, Mr. E., unlike you, I do not lie.

	You cliamed there were stomn pillars that referred to 4,000,000 "Jews" 
that were "gassed" at Auschwitz.

	While that might have been a mistake you addition was not.  You 
claimed that the photographs of those pillars was in front  of you as you wrote.  
That was an outright lie.
  
>  .  Now you are 
>    trying to squirm out of it. 
  
>  There is nothing to squirm out of.  You defend the lie, I deny it.

	No.  You have been cought several times in outright lies.  zYour defense 
seems to be repeated smoke screens, ad hominem attacks, and out right lies.


  
>  No, I wasn't involved in forgeries.  What are you talking about anyway?
>  Giwers Moshe Posts?  I have better things to do with my time.

	A typical blackmore response.  Now try my question.  Over 100 posts 
were forged with the names of various people including but not limited to (besides 
myself) McVay, Gandhi, Keren, Morris, and Morrison.  When someone protested 
this obviously improper act your response was: "WE were just playing with you." 
(emphasis added).  You were asked to clarify that statement.  You refused to 
respond.  Now you are pretending that you don't know what  posts YOU 
referenced.

	A rather shoddy and dishonest performance.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:

  
>  What you call a lie was simply human error due to the fact
>  that I was relying upon memory until I found the source with
>  the inscription.

	Although at the time you were "relying" on your memory, you were 
claiming as well that the source was in front of you.


>  At any rate, I was not off base, as I have
>  already explained under another post.

	Your explanation was dishonest and inaccurate.

	--YFE


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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:

>  From what I read Goeth was arrested by the SS.  Perhaps
>  the source was in error.

	It wasn't; your assumption based on the fact of his arrest was in error.  
He was never tried or sentenced by the SS.  All of this is described in Segev's 
book -- which you claim to have read.


>  If so, please provide another source
>  for this.  Grabner and others in the political department at Auschwitz
>  were also under arrest or about to be arrested, and Hoess was 
>  under investigation as well.

	For financial crimes.  Why do you omit this rather important fact?.


>  Also, in my recent post, Papa Eiche
>  speaks I have another reference.

	Eike was long daed when Morgen's investigations occurred.	

>  And of course there was Koch 
>  and members of his staff.

	Arrested for stealing, not murder.  Especially not the murder of Jews.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   ceacaa@aol.com (Ceacaa) writes:
>  As a comparison the cost of guarding and
>  feeding one prisoner in the US Federal system
>  is approximately $25,000 per year.  Chain gangs
>  and prision labor have never paid its way. 

	You are incorrect.  The practice of "leasing" prisoners to private businesses 
was common in the south.  It was very profitable both for the business and the 
government (and frequently most profitable for corrupt government officials).  That is 
very analogous to the situation later in war when the camps were being run to support 
various SS and private enterprises. 



>  No.  The obvious thing to do would be to seperate the
>  workers from the non-workers at the "collection site".
>  Only transport the workers across Europe.

	Which, with the exception of Jews who were slated for extermination, was 
exactly what the SS did.


	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Fri Oct 25 14:09:56 PDT 1996
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:


>  Shirer is a far cry from an unnbiased historian.  What I 
>  posted is the result of the latest research.  The facts
>  of this case are somewhat different from the old war
>  propaganda Shirer reguritates for the masses.

	Crap.  The facts are that your nazi heroes lined up disarmed prisoners and 
machined-gunned them to death.  When they had finished they went over the their 
victims and finished off the wounded.  Only a few survived.

	This was the standard procedure for this rather brutal SS unit.

	You really *do* beleive all the lies the apologists for the nazis feed you, don't 
you?

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Fri Oct 25 14:09:56 PDT 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: The Hoess Testimony BITES THE DUST!!!!
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:

>  >  You guys are desperate.

>  Is that what you think?

	Yup.  Want some proof, read the following:

 > We aren't desperate at all.  Hoess's
>  testimony is worthless.  It is trash no matter where or when
>  he gave it.  It is useless as a source of confirmation for
>  your version of the Holocaust.

	Someday you'll stop goose-stepping and join the real world.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Fri Oct 25 15:53:20 PDT 1996
Article: 77028 of alt.revisionism
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: blackmore: a Forger?
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:

  
>  >  	Any way you want it, little boy.  A complaint about your forgery to 
>  >  your ISP will shortly be filed.

>  >>>You better be able to prove I sent a forgery before
>  you make an ass out of yourself, which seems to be a habit
>  of yours....rather chronic I would say.  

	I complained after your statement implying that you were involved and 
refused to answer directly.

	Th ass here is you. First you were fooled by the forgeries.  Then, to 
cover your stupidity, you claimed you were involved.  Finally it is damn clear that 
you approved of them.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Sat Oct 26 11:07:34 PDT 1996
Article: 77139 of alt.revisionism
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Behold the lie
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:

>  I have read the tales, and I do not find them credible without
>  proof.  Not everyone can believe as a matter of faith.

	Unfortunately your credentials for rating credibility are hardly 
untarnished.  Only two people bought the criminal Giwer's blatent forgeries.  YOu 
were one.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Sat Oct 26 11:07:35 PDT 1996
Article: 77140 of alt.revisionism
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Behold the lie
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:

>  >  No it isn't.  It is exceedingly easy to prove.  If you knew anything about
>  >  either Auschwitz, the method of killing or history, you would know how easy it
>  >  is to prove.  But that assumes you _want_ the truth and are not just another
>  >  denier fraud.

>  I have the tales, and I do not find them credible without
>  proof.  Not everyone can believe as a matter of faith.

	On the other hand, blackmore accepts at face value the hearsay reports of 
a proven liar, Leroy ("the Mace") van Roden.

	--YFE


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Article: 77141 of alt.revisionism
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Fill Me In: What happened to the Giwer-Swine?
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>   Hardwire  writes:
>  
>  The point remains however, that it's quite absurd to be kicked from 4 
>  different ISP's for mailbombing wouldn't you agree?  As for Email 
>  "forgeing", I really wouldn't consider changing your identity lines in any 
>  mailer "forgeing", in fact I've done it on a number of occasions where I 
>  felt that I did not want to receive follow ups to my posts from the 
>  vermin out there on the net.  I have enough in my inbox as it is.

	But that is not what the criminal Giwer did.  He used the names and 
e-mail addresses of real people and wrote so as to represent that the writings 
were of those whose headers he had forged.

  
>  However, the mailbomb issue I'll stand in agreement with you on, as it 
>  pertains to discontinuance of service.  But think about this for a 
>  moment... Would you keep mail-bombing people even AFTER you'd been 
kicked 
>  from one ISP, no less FOUR?  It just doesn't make sense, and I don't buy it.

	I did not realize that he had been banned from four ISPS.  I know of 
only two netcon and worldnet, who banned him after complaints of mailbombs.

  
>  Even if Giwer mail-bombed ONCE, he would be smart enough not to do it 
>  again, and again, etc..  It smells more to me like someone who has the 
>  power, or the access, is trying to make his life miserable, and if they 
>  have that kind of power, who's to say that the person(s) in question 
>  didn't forge posts in his name as well?

	There are a  variety of possible explanations for the criminal Giwer's 
behavior.  Among them:

	1.  He is irrational

	2.  He is setting himself up as a martyr

	3.  He did it in a drunken rage

	4.  He beleives that the rules do not apply to him

	5.  He is proud of the number of providers that have banned him

	etc.

	You also seem to forget that the criminal Giwer has a history of being 
banned from BBSs for offensive activities.

	--YFE


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Article: 77188 of alt.revisionism
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: The Malady with Malmedy
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:

  
>  >  	Crap.  The facts are that your nazi heroes lined up disarmed prisoners 
and 
>  >  machined-gunned them to death.  When they had finished they went over 
the their 
>  >  victims and finished off the wounded.  Only a few survived.
  
>  >  	This was the standard procedure for this rather brutal SS unit.
  
>  >  	You really *do* beleive all the lies the apologists for the nazis feed you, 
don't 
>  >  you?

>  I don't know why I even bother with you but
>  I will refer you to the latest book on this subject
>  which contradicts everything you write-and no,
>  it is noot a revisionist publication.

	Odd that you don't name it.  Did you find it in the same library where 
you read the opinion from the Supreme Court denying they had jurisdiction over 
the Dachau trials.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Sun Oct 27 01:02:22 PDT 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: blackmore: a Forger?
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:

  
>  >  	Th ass here is you. First you were fooled by the forgeries.  Then, to 
>  >  cover your stupidity, you claimed you were involved.  Finally it is damn clear that 
>  >  you approved of them.

>  The ass here is you-as well as a harbinger of falsehoods and
>  base accusations, which seems to be in line with your usual
>  methods of operation.  You are a sad individual after all, and as
>  of this day, my communication with you ceases, until you apologize.

	Sorry, little boy.  You were the one who chose to cover his stupidity with a 
lie.  To be blunt about it, it was you -- not I -- who claimed you were involved in the 
forgeries.  It was you -- not I -- who refused to answer directly.  Further you republished 
those forgeries as if they were accurate.  Whether from stupidity or intent you owe all 
those who you defamed in this manner an apology.

	If it was not that you were engaged in a ego game in which you are trying to 
prove yourself smarter than the rest of the world, you would recognize this.  At this point 
you are just another declasse jerk.

	You are another Giwer.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Fill Me In: What happened to the Giwer-Swine?
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>   Hardwire  writes:
>  I will remind all who are following these posts that I could really care
>  less about the issues of the Holocaust that are being discussed, my only
>  concern is sniffing out any possible conspiracy there may have been to
>  get one Matthias Giwer banned from 4 different ISP's.

	If you wish to  "sniff out a conspiracy" why aren't you starting with 
the ISPs (three to my knowledge) that have terminated him.  Since you 
represent one of them, why not start at home?

	--YFE


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Article: 77220 of alt.revisionism
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: England to Enforce the Holocaust Lie
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>   A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron) writes:
  
>  Another hoax. Racially motivated crime with a capital C hardly exists.
>  Anti-Semitic "attacks" consist primarily of a) children defacing Jewish 
>  cemeteries and b) people sending cartoons through the post.

	That might be true in the U.K.  It is is certainly not true in the United 
States.  You, as a devoted reader of the ADL reports, must know that not only 
are acts of violence common but they are increasing.

	--YFE


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Article: 77221 of alt.revisionism
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: The importance of Hoess?
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>   kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) writes:
>  In article , 
>  olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole "Deport them in the middle of the
>  night"  Kreiberg) wrote:

>  >historiography. The confession of Auschwitz commander Ho"ss is usually
>  >considered as some of the best evidence of the holocaust. He said that
  
>  I have heard this claim repeated by Holocaust deniers over and
>  over again. I have never seen it supported, although I have
>  asked from time to time.
  
>  My impressions:
  
>  1. Hoess' confession was not important. His testimony at
>     Nurnberg was, and, from our perspective, his memoirs. Hoess
>     himself dismissed it as being of any importance, if memory
>     serves.
  
>  2. Holocaust deniers continue making this claim, in spite of
>     it's not being supportable. Their motive must be called
>     into question.
  
>  Please tell me, Mr. Kreiberg, precisely who - beside yourself
>  and your denying friends - cites Hoess' confession as "some of
>  the best evidence of the Holocaust?"

	And when he finishes answering those questions, perhaps he will 
attempt to explain why the prosecutors at Nuremberg neglected to produce this 
"best evidence" for their case.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Aluminum foil contains pork? [was: Re: Two Questions for Charles (Month 4)]
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>   kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:
  
>  In my state nearly all Sundays laws have been struck down as a violation of 
Church and
>  State.  The only ones remaining are only because they are not challenged.  "God" 
is a
>  religious neutral reference accepted by virtually all religions.  Only JEWS get their
>  specific religious laws enforced by state law in obvious violation of Church and 
State.

	Actually most "blue laws" have fallen because of Supreme Court case 
known as the "Two Guys" (the name of the store that challenged it) Case.  It is the 
only major Supreme Court case that came out of Lehigh County.   The local bar 
association has a presentation on the case every few years.  All of the lawyers who 
argued the case take part with one notable exception.  The Jewish lawyer who 
represented "Two Guys" is not there.

	As an ardent supporter of the National Alliance, perhaps "Stele" will tell us 
why.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: THE FATE OF THE POLISH JEWS DURING WW2
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>   olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) writes:
>  
>           The 50 anniversary of the of escape of the 7000 Danish Jews in
>         October 1943 to Sweden were celebrated by the American Jews.
>         According to the American Jews it was the whole Danish people and
>         nation that out of some kind of "heroism" saved the Jews.
>           As a Gentile Dane I find this embarrassing and nauseating.

	That says it all, nazi boy.

	--YFE


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Subject: Re: England to Enforce the Holocaust Lie
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>   A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron) writes:
>  In article <54t2g0$sda@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" 
writes:

>  >         That might be true in the U.K.  It is is certainly not true in the
>  >  United 
>  > States.  You, as a devoted reader of the ADL reports, must know that not only 
>  > are acts of violence common but they are increasing.

>  Check out Crying Wolf by Laird Wilcox; he documents numerous such incidents.

	I have checked out his book.  It's bullshit.

>  As to racially motivated violence, a lot of this is totally misclassified. If
>  you - as a Jewish lawyer - were to get into an altercation over a bill with
>  one of your less literate clients, for argument's sake somebody you defended
>  on a drunkenness charge, and he referred to you as a cheating kike, you might
>  take that as an anti-Semitic remark. In reality it would most probably be
>  a personal insult. If you weren't a Jew but a woman you'd find yourself on
>  the receiving end of a sexual slur, and so on. 

	Bullshit.  It would be, most specifically an an anti-Semitic slur.  That 
against the woman would be because of her gender.  Both come from bigotry; 
neither are acceptable.

>  As to the ADL, I wouldn't take anything they say at face value.

	Then don't check out their reports which are meticulously documented.  
Forget you anti-Semitic slurs and give us particular incidents they misreport.  So far 
your record is miserable.  If you were in the U.S.. I would compare it to that of the 
New York Jets.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Blackmore: Denier (was Re: Hoess Memoirs)
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>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>  >  >   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>  >  >  >   jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris) writes:

>  >  >  >  >Can't you see we're playing with you?  Silly people.
    
>  >  >  >  Pardon me? Are you saying that you were a party to forging my name and
>  >  >  >  userid on posts to alt.revisionism?
  
>  >  >  Think whatever you like-you do anyway.  Paranoid kook.


>  >  	Were you lying when you stated "we're playing with you" or are you 
>  >  lying now?

>  You seem to be the expert at lying-you tell me.

	No.  I'll just let your ISP sort it out.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Irving as a Historian
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>   ivanpv@aol.com (IVANPV) writes:

>         Nizkor, however, does not put this evidence in the proper context.
>  (It really seems that Nizkor is attempting to compile evidence to
>  discredit Irving instead of offering a balanced assessment of his work.) 
>  Libel suits are much easier to win in Britain than in the United States. 

	This true.  In the U.S. a substantially accurate report cannot be 
defamatory; in the U.K. it must be true in every respect.  The classic case about 
the Holocaust was the Uris trial in which, relying on a mistaken report, Uris 
accused a doctor at Auschwitz of participating in 17,000 medical experiments.  
The number was far less and Uris was found to have defamed the man.  The 
corrective is the jury.  In the Uris case the jury brought damages of a six pence; 
Irving was hit with a substantial judgment.


>  For example, the "Wall Street Journal"  ("Libel Enforcement," Feb. 2,
>  1995, p. B-7) points out  that "Under British libel law, allegedly
>  defamatory statements are presumed to be false, and defendants must prove
>  them true to escape liability.  Public officials can also collect damages
>  for defamation without having to show malice."

	This is not absolutely accurate.  If "truth" is used as a defense in the 
U.S. it must be proved by the defendant.  Remember that most issues such as this 
are defined in civil trials long before it gets to the jury.

>         Now how would this stringent libel law effect the historian.  There
>  are many historical interpretations that defame individuals that I believe
>  are untrue--charges of anti-Semitism against World War II
>  non-interventionists would be one example.  By British libel law, these
>  defamatory historical interpretations could constitute libel.

	They could, as well, in the U.S. 

	

>  Consequently, by the British standard, it would seem that many historians
>  would be burdened by libel suits, unless they wrote very bland history or
>  dealt with long ago topics.


	But they have not been.  Perhaps the laws are not as the Wall Street 
Journal represents.

>         The United States legal authorities have recognized this problem. 
>  As the "Wall Street Journal" points out: "A federal judge refused to
>  enforce a libel judgment obtained in England against a U.S. citizen on
>  grounds that British libel law is 'repugnant' to American constitutional
>  standards of free speech."

	Could you give a case citation on this.  The editorial page of the Wall 
Street Journal has a solid reputation for shading the truth on legal matter.  I know 
of least one personal injury case in which they severely misrepresented what 
happened in a case to hype their point of view.

	--YFE	


From yawen@enter.net Mon Oct 28 08:41:38 PST 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Aluminum foil contains pork? [was: Re: Two Questions for Charles (Month 4)]
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>   kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:

>  >	Actually most "blue laws" have fallen because of Supreme Court case 
>  >known as the "Two Guys" (the name of the store that challenged it) Case.  It 
is the 
>  >only major Supreme Court case that came out of Lehigh County.   The local 
bar 
>  >association has a presentation on the case every few years.  All of the lawyers 
who 
>  >argued the case take part with one notable exception.  The Jewish lawyer 
who 
>  >represented "Two Guys" is not there.
  
>  >	As an ardent supporter of the National Alliance, perhaps "Stele" will tell 
us 
>  >why.

>  Oh!  Here's Yale the Liar!   Back so soon?   You want to tell MORE lies about 
the National
>  Alliance like the one you told that the convicted Freeman brothers were NA 
members?  Lying
>  to the goyim, eh?  Keeping up the ancient Jewish tradition!

	The Stone won't answer the question.  Indeed he seems ashamed to 
admit that two of his brethren were so devoted to "the cause" that they murdered 
their father and mother and tortured their 11 year old brother to death.

	Note as well that the Stone has yet to explain why the brothers 
Freeman stated in verified pleading to the Court of Common Pleas of Lehigh 
County that they were memers of the National Appliance, why the prosecution 
stated in  verfied pleading to the Court of Common Pleas of Lehigh County that 
the motive for the murders were objections by the family to the membership of the 
brothers Freeman in the National Appliance, and why Judge Lawrence Brenner of 
the Court of Common Pleas of Lehigh County found, after hearing the evidence, 
that the brothers Freeman were members of the National Appliance.

	When he's through with those explanations, I have a few questions 
about the videotaped statement in which the brothers Freeman made several 
statements about their connection to the National Appliance.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Mon Oct 28 08:41:39 PST 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Blackmore Does It Again
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>   kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:

>  Mr. Baron has already posted the evidence of SS being executed by Germans 
for anti-Jewish
>  excesses.

	Actaully he posted an account froma British newspaper that SS troops 
were punished for rioting.  There was no reference to the KZ


>  Also, Konrad Morgen testified over 200 Germans were convicted for mistreating
>  Jewish inmates, and a few commandants were even executed.  This totally gives 
the lie to  extermination.

	blackmore's ususal technique shows again.  Morgen testified as to 
convictions for maltreating inmates.  blackmore -- with no substantiation whatsoever 
-- adds the adjective "Jewish."  Where have I seen *this* particular lie before.

	blackmore compounds his dishonesty by distorting Morgen's testimony.  
While Morgen testifed as to KZ commanders that were executed, blackmore 
neglects to point out that the accusations against them was not for maltreating 
Jewish inmates or even for maltreating inmates.  The accusations were stealing 
money from the SS.  blackmore knows this, of course, the full acounts can be 
found in "Soldiers of Evil" by Tom Segev.  blackmore claims he owns and has read 
this book.
  
>  The Holocaust is a funny thing..
>  When you hear about it, you wish it never happened..
>  When you discover it's a hoax ya kind of wish it did!

	And blackmore, of course, claims he is not an anti-Semite.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: GIF! GIF! Re: DAVID IRVING: What's he afraid of?
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>   klewis@awinc.com (Ken Lewis) writes:
>  On Sat, 26 Oct 1996 10:40:46 -0400, "Annie Alpert, OFB" 

>  wrote:

>  >When I attended the NA meeting to hear Irving speak, there was a woman
>  >there with five (count 'em) FIVE kids.  You can hear them quite clearly
  
>  Just a good Aryan woman bringing the next generation of little Aryan
>  children into the world and giving them a good upbringing.

	If so, she should read about the brothers Freeman and take care that 
they have limited access to sharp, pointed objects.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   karlpov@access5.digex.net (Charles R.L. Power) writes:
>  rblackmore@juno.com writes:
  
>  >>  >>  Where can I find a compete transcript of this speech?

>  >>  >Most likely through the newspaper which quoted it.
  
>  >>  I tried that, remember? The cite was bogus.
  
>  >So now you choose to lie with the rest of your companions?
>  >That's ok by me.  The cite was not and is not bogus.  Your 
>  >claim to have researched it is bogus.  No one is being fooled
>  >by your pathetic chicanery.
  
>  You're welcome to look for a Sunday edition of the WASHINGTON DAILY
>  NEWS, Jane. There ain't no such animal.

>  >Apparently you're too dishonest to admit your own deceptions.
  
>  Deceptions are in your line, not mine.

	If you wish to see an account of the speech check the Congressional 
Record for July 26, 1949, page 10397.  Please note as well who placed it in the 
Record.  And then cogitate on blackmore's dictum that if you can;t trust the 
messengers, you can't trust the message.

	--YFE


From yawen@enter.net Mon Oct 28 14:38:58 PST 1996
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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Aluminum foil contains pork? [was: Re: Two Questions for Charles (Month 4)]
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>   kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:

>  What other group besides Jews have state laws which mention THEIR 
RELIGION specifically to
>  punish with criminal prosecution violations of their religious law using a standard 
which
>  Jews alone determine?

	Since you have yet to post a single such law your question is a 
non-starter.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Fill Me In: What happened to the Giwer-Swine?
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>   Hardwire  writes:
>  Yale F. Edeiken wrote:

>  >         But that is not what the criminal Giwer did.  He used the names and
>  > e-mail addresses of real people and wrote so as to represent that the writings
>  > were of those whose headers he had forged.

>  I don't really recall seeing a post he had written with someone's real
>  replyto address written in.  As I remember currently, the posts were
>  made with "one-character-off", and slurred-type addresses.  But if you
>  could direct me to archived posts that contain instances of forged email
>  addresses please do so.

	In the eight forged posts in which the criminal Giwer used my name both 
my name and my e-mail address was spelled correctly.  Should you wish I will 
e-mail copies of them to you.

>  I think it can be well said that martyrs only become so when
>  killed under the watchful eye of the populace (in this case the other
>  readers of this group).  The situation cannot and does not take place
>  for that reason unless the martyr-to-be is sure that the "death" can be
>  seen plainly by all.  In this case, the ambiguity surrounding Mr.
>  Giwer's so-called "crimes" is too prevalent to give rise to a
>  "martyr-proxy".

	But please note that he has convinced *you* of such martyrdom to the 
point where, as you state, that you want to "sniff out" a conspiracy.  I would not be 
surprised if, at some thime in the future, Ingrid writes about it in her Zundelgrams or 
the "thought crimes archive" presents some distorted version of it.

>  
>  >         There are a  variety of possible explanations for the criminal Giwer's
>  > behavior.  Among them:
>  > 
>  >         1.  He is irrational
  
>  Obviously this cannot be the case if you've taken the time to read any
>  of Giwer's serious treatises.  He is a very well thought writer and
>  irrationality, although it plagues us all from time to time, is
>  unacceptable as a continuing theory for his supposed actions.

	Where's the psychiatric report.  Many of his posts are either totally 
irrational or totally dishonest.  Several people have questions about his mental 
balance.

>  >         3.  He did it in a drunken rage
>  > 
>  
>  Quite a possible theory, that is IF Giwer is a drinking man.  Testimony
>  of this would be unacceptable since the only known close relation to the
>  man would be his son and I doubt that any of you would accept his word
>  on it.

	Or even just an occasional drinking man.  His son is not the only person 
who would know this, by the way.  Do you know what his reputation was among 
his co-workers?

  
>  >         4.  He beleives that the rules do not apply to him

>  If I took the time to troll through everyone's posts, I'm sure I could
>  come up with several occassions where the "rules" didn't apply to MANY
>  people (both pro and con) on this group.
  
>  >         5.  He is proud of the number of providers that have banned him

>  Hmmm.. I CAN see where that would give someone an ego.  I imagine it
>  would rank right up there with the ego obtained from repeatedly getting
>  a user banned from an ISP.

>  >         You also seem to forget that the criminal Giwer has a history of being
>  > banned from BBSs for offensive activities.

>  This unfortunately I have no record of, and I highly doubt that anyone
>  else could afford more than personal testimony on the topic. (Which of
>  course is not considered evidence on this group evidently, so strike the
>  whole idea.)

	Wrong again.  Several BBS operators have spoken up on this.

	--YFE


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>   karlpov@access2.digex.net (Charles R.L. Power) writes:
>  yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
  
>  >	If you wish to see an account of the speech check the 
Congressional 
>  >Record for July 26, 1949, page 10397.  Please note as well who placed it 
in the 
>  >Record.  And then cogitate on blackmore's dictum that if you can;t trust 
the 
>  >messengers, you can't trust the message.
  
>  Thanks for the tip--I'll see if I can find this. As to who placed it, an
>  educated guess: Senator Joseph McCarthy. Do I win the Tupperware?

	Of course.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: The Criminal Giwer Cannot Even Read a Calender
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>   thisis@forgery.dot (Thisis Aforgery) writes:
>  >Explain why schools are NOT closed on Passover, Yom Kippur, or Hannukah.
  
>  	Passover is always on a Saturday.  How many schools are open on 
Saturday?  

	One thing that can be counted on is that the criminal Giwer is a fount of 
misinformation.  Passover begins on whatever day of the week, it falls upon.  If the 
criminal Giwer could read a calender he would have noted that in 1996 (Jewish 
5756) Passover began on April 3, a Wednesday.  Thnaks for making a fool of 
yourself again, Matty poo.
  

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: England to Enforce the Holocaust Lie
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>   A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron) writes:
>  In article <550aop$nea@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. 
Edeiken" writes:
> 
>  >         Then don't check out their reports which are meticulously 
documented.  
  
>  Mr Stein might just disagree with you. With the ADL it's not necessarily 
always
>  the facts that are wrong but the interpretation.

	Either the facts are there, Lyin' Al or they are not.  Arson is arson.
  
>  I'll give you an example from England.

	We are not talking about England.  We are talking about the ADL.  
Either come up with some speciufics or stop lying.

>  As for the ADL, like I said, check out Laird Wilcox.

	I have. He's full of shit.  Anybody who believes him is a credulous 
fool.

> As for slurs, well,
>  blacks often call themselves and each other nigger, recently faggots have 
>  started calling themselves queers. So you're on shaky ground.

	Now you are full of shit.  You have no right to use a racial , religious, 
or ethnic slur.  Period.  Do it in most parts of the U.S. and it is very likely that 
not only that your septum will be forcibily deviated but the courts will tell you get 
lost when you complain.  Face it, Lyin' Al, you just like to use racist slurs 
because it makes you feel good.

	--YFE


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>   rajiv_gandhi@bc.sympatico.ca (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes:

  
>  You have actually yet to demonstrate the existence of these Kosher laws
>  (which, of course, you cannot.)

	Further he has not demonstrated their connection to Judaism.  He is 
apparently unaware that a majority of those who keep the kosher laws for religious 
reasons are not Jewish.

	--YFE


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>   th1sis@forgery.dot (This1s Aforgery) writes:
>  schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect) wrote:

>  >Please document ANY false or malicious complaints I have made, Mr. Giwer.
>  >Or retract the lie.

>  	I have no intention of retracting your deliberately false and malicious
>  complaints.  You have publically stated you have made false and malicious
>  complaints.  Admit you lied in saying that you filed them and we can start from
>  the beginning.

	That, of course, is a lie from the criminal Giwer.  She admitted no such 
thing.  She complained about your forgeries.  You were forging posts.  Her 
complaints were neither false or malicious.  Your activities were, on the other hand, 
both false and malicious.

	But you know that.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Fill Me In: What happened to the Giwer-Swine?
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>   th1sis@forgery.dot (This1s Aforgery) writes:
>  schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect) wrote:

>  >Mr. Giwer FORGED accounts: Dan Keren, Ken McVay, Yale Eideken, and 
many
>  >others. Not "changed his name," FORGED theirs.
 
>  >If he did it on a check, he'd be in jail.
  
>  	Amazing that the instant such a different ID was posted, everyone 
claimed to
>  know who it was and also claimed that it was forged.  That sort of indicates it
>  was not a forgery at all as it was so obvious.  Beyond that, you are lying.  

	Just becasue the criminal Giwer is a stupid criminal does not mean he 
is not a criminal.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: More Strange Legal Theories From the Criminal Giwer
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>   th1s1s@forgery.dot (Th1s1s Aforgery) writes:
>  yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

  
>  >	No.  It's a case of "fraud."  That is a vioaltion of the criminal law.
  
>  >	Another strange legal theory from the criminal Giwer.  The damages that 
>  >stem from any fraud are that the buyer was induced to spend his/her money on 
>  >something that was not as represented.

>  >	If money was taken under flase pretenses, the person was harmed.  
>  >period.  Only an idiot like the criminal Giwer could come up with an off-the-wall legal 
>  >theory like this.
  
>  	As YFE is willing to pervert his pretend knowledge of the law to support
>  anything that supports jews or the holocaust.   


	Only to a confirmed anti-Semite like the criminal Giwer is objecting to fraud 
something that supports the Holocaust. 
 
>  	And as a jew he will continue to repeat his allegation of criminal activity as
>  though it were true until all of his fellow jews and holohuggers begin to repeat
>  it as true.  It is a very stereotypical form of jewish behavior.  

	But, as all know, it is true.  The criminal Giwer is, in fact, vioalted the criminal 
law when he harassed those whose disagreed with him.  Oddly enough only one 
of his "revisionist" pals had the guts to stand up publically and say that his criminal 
behavior was improper.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: THE FATE OF THE POLISH JEWS DURING WW2
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>   Kimberley Ahlf  writes:

>  > >It is perfectly understandable that as a racist Dane you would find the
>  > >efforts of your countrymen in saving 7,000 Jews "embarrassing and
>  > >nauseating."

	To which the criminal Giwer responded:
 
>  > 	When Finland wanted to evacuate them before the Germans took over
>  > the country, the Zionists argued against it and prevailed.  Later the
>  > government did it  without debate and got out a lot of them.  As you
>  > know, the Zionist founded Israel.  

>  Are you aware of the term "non sequitur," Mr. Giwer?

	Probably not.  Another thing of which he is not aware is the history of WW 
II.  There were 2,000 Jews in Finland.  "Finland provided a base of operations for the 
Germans, but was never actually occupied by the Germans, except in the Northern 
regions . . . . In a visit to Helsinki in July 1942, Himmler attempted to induce the Finns 
to deport the Jews, but Finnish Foreign Minister Rolf Witting refused to give the 
matter any consideration."  Dawidowicz, "The War Against the Jews"; page 374 
(paperback edition).

	It's always a good idea to check out *anything* the criminal Giwer says.  
His fabrications -- such as this one -- are so frequent that if he tells you Forida is in 
the U.S., you had best check a map.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: The Criminal Giwer Cannot Even Read a Calender
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>   th1sis@forgery.dot (This1s Aforgery) writes:
>  yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>  >>   thisis@forgery.dot (Thisis Aforgery) writes:

>  >>  	Passover is always on a Saturday.  How many schools are open on 
>  >Saturday?  
>  
>  >	One thing that can be counted on is that the criminal Giwer is a fount 
of 
>  >misinformation.  Passover begins on whatever day of the week, it falls upon.  
If the 
>  >criminal Giwer could read a calender he would have noted that in 1996 
(Jewish 
>  >5756) Passover began on April 3, a Wednesday.  Thnaks for making a fool 
of 
>  >yourself again, Matty poo.
>  
>  	Another silly shit jew with a malicious post.  That is all jews appear to 
be
>  good for on this conference, false and malicious posts.  

	It is now confirmed.  The criminal Giwer cannot read a calander.  His 
excuse seems to be that he hates Jews and, therefore, such mundane skills are 
beyond him.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: THE FATE OF THE POLISH JEWS DURING WW2
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>   olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) writes:

  
>  Are you trying to tell us that it is torture to be locked up in a prison?

	Under certain circimstances yes.  Your plan is to use it as coercion 
to deprive Danish citizens of their human rights.
  
  
>   I am sorry, arming themselves is not an option. Even with the present strict
>  Danish gunlaws it is practically impossible for anyone outside the police
>  and the military to be legally in possesion of firearms. These laws are 
>  today enforced very rigorously. Therefore Edeiken's nonsens about armed 
>  vigilantes would not be an option. Anyway why trying to create a 
>  Beirut-Sarejevo situation when this is not necessary.

	Sorry nazi boy.  That was your idea.  You're stuck with it.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Irving as a Historian
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>   rcgraves@ix.netcom.com (Rich Graves) writes:
>  ivanpv@aol.com (IVANPV) writes:
>  >           Not accepting the "Wall Street Journal's" interpretation 
>  >(seems that some defenders of Holocaust orthodoxy can be as skeptical as
>  >revisionists)

	Actually it came from the editorial page which has a reputation for 
misrepresenting what happens in courts.  Second, I prefer to read the opinion 
itself to see what the court really said.  As a matter of fact I looked up the case 
"Matusevitch v. Telnikoff" 877 F.Supp. 1 (D.D.C.; 1995)  I found it a poorly 
written decision.  While there are statemets in it that could be interpreted as 
stating what the WSJ represented, my personal opinion is that statement 
overstates the opinion.  While J. Urbina does refer to the difference in the law of 
defamation in the U.K. and the U.S., I thought that the heart of both that 
discussion and the opinion as a whole was the question of malice.  The court 
found that the defendant was a "limited use public figure."  Under U.K. law malice 
is presumed; under U.S. law it must be proven.  Thus the defendant was denied a 
constitutional protection.

	This is, however, not a blanket rejection of U.K. law; only a rejection 
where there is some right portected in the U.S.  J. Urbina concluded the 
discussion of the basic differences not with a general rejection of U.K. law but 
with the statement "In the light of the different standards, this court concludes 
that recognition and enforcement of the foreign judgment *in this case* would 
deprive the plaintiff [sic] of his constitutional rights."  (877 F. Supp. at 4; emphasis 
added)  The judge then proceeds to discuss the U.S. concepts of protected 
speech and public figure.

	In light of the discussion as to protected speech and status as a public 
figure, I think the court was not rejecting all British libel judgments but holding that 
the proponent must prove that no rights were violated before they can be 
enforced.

	A U.S. District Court opinion is hardly dispositive.  I shepardized the 
case and there was no indication as to whether or not it was taken to the Circuit 
Court.  I suspect that it was.

	It should be noted, however, that it is of limited use in the Irving cases.  
As I understand them, the persons who claimed to have been defamed were not 
public figures.  Neither the "protected speech" right or the "public figure" 
standard could be applied as the plaintiff would *not* have to prove malice and 
the holding of this court would be inapposite.  Other opinions may vary.

	--YFE 



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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Soviets were fighting Hitler in 1956 in Hungary?
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>   rcgraves@ix.netcom.com (Rich Graves) writes:

  
>  Anyone with a serious academic interest in the Hungarian situation is
>  encouraged to read the series of reports by the International Commission
>  of Jurists at The Hague. Any large University library should have them.
  
>  For people with a less serious interest in the subject, but who do not
>  actually drool (I'd hate to get any books dirty), the following was
>  recommended to me by an old professor who specializes in Eastern Europe (I
>  haven't read it myself):
  
>  Felkay, Andrew. *Hungary and the USSR, 1956-1988: Kadar's political
>    leadership*. New York: Greenwood Press, 1989.
  
>  Rothschild's *Return to Diversity* and his earlier books on Eastern
>  Europe, don't remember the title, are also quite good general surveys. Oh,
>  but he's got a Jewish name, sorry.

	Another good book, if you can find it,  is "The Lion's Last Roar."  
Although ostensibly about the Suez Crisis of 1956, one of themes of the book was 
that the western powers were so involved with this crisis and the U.S. foriegn 
policy gurus is such disarray (look up who was in the hospital then) that they were 
unable to present a united front on the Hungarian crisis which occurred at the 
same time.  The author beleived that the Soviets took advantage of this to crush 
the Hungarian freedom fighters.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   notthisis@forgery.dot (NotThisis Aforgery) writes:

>  >	The criminal Giwer claims, of course, that he is not an anti-Semite.  
>  >Strange how he fits in so well with most of the other "revisionists' around here.
  
>  	The repetition of the word "criminal" is a stereotypical jew tactic.  It is 
not
>  surprising that you would use it.  

	In your case, however, it is an accurate description based on your 
criminal conduct.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: THE FATE OF THE POLISH JEWS DURING WW2
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>   olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) writes:
>  In article <553bpr$63v@news.enter.net>, Yale F. Edeiken wrote:

>  >       In this case YES.  You are not talking about criminals, you are talking 
>  >about Danish citizens who have skin color of which you disapprove.  
Locking 
>  >them up in unpleasant conditions so that they will leave their homeland is 
torture.

>   What kind of Talmudic quibbling is this. Torture is torture no matter the
>  motive.

	Apparently nazi boy, the concepts of basic human rights and  due 
process of law have no meaning to you.  Why am I not surprised.

>  >       Since the "penalty" in this case occurs not because they violated a 
>  >law but because you disapprove of their ethnic heritage,  locking them up is 
>  >torture.
  
>   Yes they will of course be free to leave whenever they want (except back to
>  Denmark where they will no longer have the legal right to stay). So it is 
>  not really a penalty. The internment is only made in order to prevent them
>  from illegally reentering Denmark and to motive them to leave voluntarily. 
>  And they were indeed violating the law because they stayed after the respite 
>  that they were given.

	Apparently, nazi boy, the concepts of basic human rights and due 
process of law have no meaning to you.  Why am I not surprised.
  
>   If I after the expiry of my visa refuse to leave USA and I am because of 
>  that taken in custody by the US immigration authorities, is it torture? 
>  Even if I claim that the US legislators do not like the colour of my skin?

	We are not talking about visas -- which are granted to visitors -- but to 
the basic rights of Danish citizens.  If the U.S. immigration authorities picked me 
up and placed me prison, nazi boy, it would be illegal.  If, as you suggest, the 
consditions be made as unpleasant as possible so as to coerce me into giving up 
my basic human rights, it most certainly would be torture.

	Do you understand the difference now, nazi boy?

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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>   ron.schwarz[at]nethawk.com (Delete spam-buster ([at]) to reply) writes:
>  On Tue, 29 Oct 1996 23:24:56 GMT, kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
>  wrote:


>  >Statutory murder and rape laws are NOT Jewish laws per se.
  
>  Yeah, right.  Based on English Common Law, based on JOOOOish Mosaic
>  Law.
  
>  Go home.

	He can't.  His parents read about the Freeman case.

	--YFE


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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: England to Enforce the Holocaust Lie
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>   A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron) writes:

>  If Yale did say this then he really is talking through his arse.

	I said it.  I borrowed it froma friend who collects books by nuts.

 >Wilcox has
>  a long left wing pedigree.

	So does my friend.  He still calls himself a "Marxist."


> This seminal book confirms what I have long maintained:

	You really do have a fascination with the nutscases, Lyin' Al.  My firend 
recommends dipping into the writings of Alfred Lawson.

>  that the whole of our social policy, certainly on race, is based on an enormous
>  lie: RACISM = gas chambers.
 
	As I said.  A nutcase.

	--YFE


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>   th1sis@forgery.dot (This1s Aforgery) writes:

>  	You folks can play and play all you wish but there will be a time when 
all
>  accounts will be balanced and it will be holohuggers on the debit side.  
  
>  	The actions of holohuggers can be documented and are in the 
process of
>  documentation. 

	Just the like fabled lawsuit from the criminal Giwer that never 
materialized.

	--YFE


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>   rjg@d31rz2.Stanford.EDU (Richard J. Green) writes:
>  In article <558jaf$i9s@newsbf02.news.aol.com>,
>  DvdThomas  wrote:
>  
>  >Charming little note in my mailbox today.  Anybody know anything about
>  >this guy?  Would appreciate the info.
>  
>  [Marduk's obscene gesture snipped.]
>  
>  Marduk,
>  
>  Your antics go too far.  If anything your posts are an aid to the
>  deniars.  If you didn't exist, they'd have to create you.
>  
>  Unfortunately, Marduk appears to be for real.
>  
>  Best bet: igore him, complain to his provider, or bounce his mail with
>  procmail.

	While I agree with your general sentiments, I do not think that DThomas 
should ignore it.  Just as when the criminal Giwer was pulling the same tricks it is at 
least an invasion of his privacy and at worst a criminal act.  What is more I 
consider it totally unjustfied.  No matter how repugnant his ideas are, DThomas 
has never stooped to the level of the "Stele"s and the Giwers.

	--YFE


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>   A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron) writes:
>  In article <5560s2$7be@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" 
writes:

>  >         I have. He's full of shit.  Anybody who believes him is a credulous 
>  > fool.
  
>  And so was J. Edgar Hoover and so is the US Civil Rights Commission; look up
>  what they say about the ADL

	Hoover was, indeed, a jerk.  The US Civil Rights Commission has never 
 made any statement on the ADL; a director of that organization did.  He stated 
specifically that he was not speaking for the Commission.
>   
>  >         Now you are full of shit.  You have no right to use a racial ,
>  >  religious, 
>  > or ethnic slur.  Period.  Do it in most parts of the U.S. and it is very likely
>  >  that 
>  > not only that your septum will be forcibily deviated but the courts will tell
>  >  you get 
>  > lost when you complain.  Face it, Lyin' Al, you just like to use racist slurs 
>  > because it makes you feel good.
  
>  You're telling me I have no right to use what you term an "ethnic slur"? On
>  whose authority you obnoxious little kike?

	The law, asshole.

 What makes you so special that
>  you can dictate what other people have a right to do?

	I don't dictate it.  The law is clear in the U.S.  Such terms as the one 
you use here are "fighting words."  They have no protection under the First 
Amendment.  If an employer used one to an employee; he would be sued and 
lose.  If a merchant used one to a customer, he would be sued and lose.  If you 
used the terrm to another person and that person hauled off and slugged you, it 
would not be an assault.

> One reason I like that
>  sort of strong language is because it sorts the wheat from the chaff.

	The reason you use it is because you are a bigot.

> It's what
>  is referred to as calling a spade a spade

	It's what is referred to as "fighting words" and it is a deliberate effort to 
be obnoxious.

> and it is something that people of
>  all races and backgrounds generally appreciate.

	I suppose you polled all your cellmates and they agreed.

	--YFE	



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