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The Council of Orthodox Rabbis: Kosher Tax on Canadians?

The Council of Orthodox Rabbis or COR is a certification for kosher
foods. Part of every dollar on an item that you purchase  that has the
abreviation COR followed by a number goes to the council of orthodox
rabbis, a religious organization. As a consumer you should be aware
than some products that you are purchasing cost more because of this
ceritification. 

The COR certification is now on foods and items that according to
Jewish law do not have to be certified. Salt is one of these yet you
will find COR 69 on SIfto salt and COR 92 on Windsor salt. Ketchup
also does not need certification yet there is a COR 10 on Heinz
ketchup. You will also find COR certification on such absurd items as
Javex Bleach.Can anyone please inform me  that as a result of
rabbinical supervision, Javex Bleach has become purer or more hygienic
or more effectiveI  Or ketchup? Or salt? Is it the amount of iodine in
the salt that the rabbis have to approve or what? I thought this was
done by nutritionists? Do the rabbis visit and inspect every salt mine
and tomato patch? 

What the hell gives here? Why am I as a non-denominational Canadian
consumer being forced to pay a religious group for their certification
not only on a product that doesn't need it according to their own laws
but on any product whatsoever? Why is a religious minority scamming
money off of millions of Canadians on essential products such as salt
that doesn't even need kosher certification? Is this not religious
fraud? Certification for products that don't need it?

Write to: 
Reuben Mark, Chairman & CEO
Colgate-Palmolive
300 Pak Avenue
New York, NY
USA      10022

and ask for a non kosher javex bleach product as you shouldn't have to
pay for COR certification. Unbelievable that this is being done.

Write to:
Guy L. Leblanc
Vice President, Production & Administration
The Canadian Salt Company, Ltd.
7th Floor
755 Boulevard St. Jean
Pointe Claire, Quebec  H9R 5M9

and ask for non kosher table salt. It should be cheaper. Ask him
specifically, how has Windsor Salt production been modified so as to
comply with Jewish religious laws?  How frequent is rabbinical
inspection of Windsor Salt plants, and of what does this inspection
consist?  Is there anyone who will claim that Windsor Table Salt is in
any detectable way different following kosher certification from what
it was before?

As a matter of fact ask these guys:
Do you have information on how Council of Orthodox Rabbis
kosher-certification earnings are distributed, as for example what
proportion of them goes toward supporting the ethnic cleansing of
Palestinians by the State of Israel, or what proportion goes toward
the expansion of Israel's nuclear arsenal, etc.etc In other words, do
the proceeds go to political as well as religious agendas that have
nothing to do with Canada?

Where is W5  on this matter? Are there any newsreporters that can
explain this? Maybe the Protestants and Catholics will catch on and
start making their own certification organization. I can see it now,
GFJ, good for jesus certification...  

Wow, god is such good business...

tyler




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As usual, Kenneth automatically labels anyone as anti-semitic and a
bigot who disagrees with his views. It is an important tactic used to
attack rather than respond reasonably to any criticism or comment on
anything that involves jewery.  The fact that it was so successfully
used by Stalin and Hitler both was not lost on the JDL and other
extremist organizations. 

Kenney doen't offer any proof or reasonable discussion but simply a
tiresome tirade of hate that is equal to the Nazis. He is no
different.


Please answer the following Kenney,

1) Why does salt have to be recognized by the rabbis? 
2) How much does the rabbanical organization get from Sifto or Windsor
   salt for their unecessary certification?
3) Why does ketchup have to be kosher certified?
4) Why does bleach have to be kosher certified?

Please respond to the questions.  They are simple enough and have
nothing to do with Nazis, anti-Semites or the price of tea in China.

tyller





On Wed, 2 Jan 2002 15:31:37 +0000 (UTC), kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org
(Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:

>ADL Special Edition, January 1991 
>A periodic update from the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith 
>Civil Rights Division 
>
>"The Kosher Food Tax is the biggest consumer fraud existing in
>America." 
>
>The bizarre claim by right wing extremists that kosher certification
>markings on food labels ("U," "K," etc.) cost consumers extra money
>and represent, in effect, a "kosher tax" to make rabbis rich, is a
>striking example of the propaganda used by anti-Semites to trick the
>uninformed into accepting conspiracy charges and stereotypes about
>Jews. 
>
>Other anti-Semitic allegations regarding kosher designation on foods
>include charges that "the kosher food racket" benefits Jewish
>organizations while only a small segment of the American population
>desires such markings, and that even the meanings of the labels are
>guarded secrets deliberately kept from non-Jews to trick them into
>paying the "kosher tax." 
>
>The Facts 
>
>Attacks on the labeling of food with the symbols for kashruth
>(traditional Jewish dietary laws) have been a standard ploy of
>anti-Jewish bigots in the U.S. for decades. Such symbols as [encircled
>U], emblem of the Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations (UOJC), among
>others, confirm that products are kosher -- i.e., that foods and
>production processes have been inspected by competent rabbis from the
>respective organizations and found to be in compliance with Jewish
>dietary law. 
>
>The cost to the consumer for this service is a miniscule fraction of
>the total production overhead; it is so negligible in practical terms
>as to be virtually non-existent. A May 18, 1975 New York Times article
>reported that the cost to General Foods' "Bird's Eye" Unit, for
>example, is 6.5 millionths (.0000065) of a cent per item. Furthermore,
>a representative of the Heinz Company has said that the per item cost
>is "so small we can't even calculate it," and that such labeling
>actually makes products less costly by increasing the market for them.
>
>
>Indeed, according to marketing manager Steven Zamichow, quoted in the
>Washington Post, "Entenmann's Inc. received kosher certification in
>1981 and sales of [its] baked goods 'increased substantially.'" Visits
>to the Entenmann's plant, from a "mashgiach," or kashruth inspector,
>are provided by the Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations of America.
>The UOJC is one of several groups that maintain such a kosher
>inspection service, certifying foods and related products to be in
>compliance with Jewish dietary laws through all phases of production.
>The profit from these products goes, of course, to the companies that
>manufacture them and the stores that sell them, not to "the Jews."* 
>
>The Lies 
>
>The most active right wing extremist sources of the "kosher tax" hoax
>are various Ku Klux Klan groups and the National States Rights Party,
>based in Marietta, GA. The Invisible Empire Knights of the Ku Klux
>Klan (now based in North Carolina), through its Empire Publishing,
>offers a pamphlet titled "The Kosher Tax Swindle" to its members and
>supporters. The pamphlet begins: 
>
>"American families are paying tribute to Jews every time they sit down
>at the table to eat and in many instances, polish their shoes, silver
>or wrap the leftover Thanksgiving turkey. Why? Because Jews have
>discovered a way to coerce business to pay taxes directly to Jewish
>organizations and pass the cost on to the consumer." 
>
>The racist and anti-Semitic National States Rights Party ( NSRP),
>founded in 1958, became a focal point of violent opposition to civil
>rights struggle in the South and has functioned as both a propaganda
>mill and a political party. 
>
>The party's founder, Edward Fields, has served as its National
>Secretary, as well as the editor of the party's hate sheet, "The Truth
>At Last" (formerly "The Thunderbolt"). Fields was also the Grand
>Dragon of the now-defunct New Order, Knights of the Ku Klux Klan. 
>
>"The Truth At Last" published a special issue in June 1990 which dealt
>only with kosher symbols. Articles appeared in this edition with such
>titles as: "Six States Make Rabbis Kosher Policeman [sic]," "Secret
>Kosher Tax Boosts Food Prices," "How Kosher Blackmail Works," and
>"Kosher Tax Symbols May Be Changed to Hide Swindle." 
>
>"Describing" kashruth, Fields has written that "All of this is
>superstitious nonsense and has absolutely nothing to do with improving
>the quality of any food product. Still, this clever scheme of
>requiring kosher labeling has become a multi-million dollar business
>today!" Another article in "The Truth At Last" asserted that the
>"kosher tax" is paid to Orthodox Jewish organizations "just so an
>estimated 10% to 20% of Jewry will buy their products," and that "we
>are all forced to pay this Kosher Tax just to appease LESS THAN ONE
>PERCENT OF THE POPULATION!" 
>
>Bigotry Over a Beer Label 
>
>With the recent announcement that the Adolph Coors Brewing Co. will
>carry the [encircled U] symbol on its beer, Hans Schmidt, founder of
>the California-based German-American National Political Action
>Committee (GANPAC) took it upon himself to write a protest letter to
>Peter Coors, President of the company. 
>
>Schmidt, who was a member of the Hitler Youth and claims to have
>served in the Waffen-SS during World War II, has been a leading
>proponent of Holocaust "revisionism" in the United States for many
>years. Following along the lines of many other anti-Semites, Schmidt
>promotes the myth of "Jewish control" of banks, the media, and the
>government. 
>
>In his letter to Peter Coors, Schmidt asserted that "as someone of
>German descent you ought to be ashamed to acquiesce to this scheme.
>You must know that the Jews in the aggregate use a lot of the finances
>thus gathered to spy on non-Jews, to terrorize others (JDL), to ruin
>other people's businesses (numberous Jewish organizations and
>individuals), and to promote their political power to the point where
>this country has been subservient to the needs of another nation
>(Israel)." 
>
>Schmidt also repeated the usual false charges regarding kosher
>symbols, including that "there usually are great costs and efforts
>connected with the kosher certification and that rabbis will make
>upwards of $450,000 from Coors." In a post-script Schmidt made the
>suggestion that Coors add the following symbols to its label: "a
>symbolic fish for Protestants," "a Catholic cross for Catholics," and
>"a Swastika for Nordics/Odinists." 
>
>Beating the "Tax" 
>
>Some extre"You Don't Have to be Jewish..." 
>
>Contrary to the anti-Semitic charge that kosher labeling is a tightly
>guarded "Jewish secret" kept from Christians and others, it is not
>only Jews who prefer to purchase kosher food. According to the
>Washington Post (Sept. 27, 1990), "Some kosher marketing officials
>estimate there may be as many as six million Americans who seek out
>Kosher foods in the supermarket. Of these only 1.5 million are Jewish.
>Moslems and Seventh Day Adventists also adhere to certain aspects of
>applicable only to its limited market, not the general consumer. 
>
>[For additional information related to the certification of kosher
>foods, see the press reports available from the Nizkor Project,
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/antisemitism/kosher-tax/press]



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Oh by the way Kenney,

Here's a direct quote from the Talmud. You know, civil and canonical
laws.

"Jehovah created the non-Jew in human form so that the Jew would not
have to be served by beasts. The non-Jew is consequently an animal in
human form, and condemned to serve the Jew day and night." -Midrasch
Talpioth, p. 225-L. 

Is this quote true? Oh oops, I forgot your other law:

"If a Jew be called upon to explain any part of the rabbinic books, he
ought to give only a false explanation. Who ever will violate this
order shall be put to death." -- Libbre David 37. 

These are very curious quotes from the Talmud. Very curious indeed.
But I guess you can't really comment on them.

tyler


On Wed, 2 Jan 2002 15:31:37 +0000 (UTC), kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org
(Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:

>ADL Special Edition, January 1991 
>A periodic update from the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith 
>Civil Rights Division 
>
>"The Kosher Food Tax is the biggest consumer fraud existing in
>America." 
>
>The bizarre claim by right wing extremists that kosher certification
>markings on food labels ("U," "K," etc.) cost consumers extra money
>and represent, in effect, a "kosher tax" to make rabbis rich, is a
>striking example of the propaganda used by anti-Semites to trick the
>uninformed into accepting conspiracy charges and stereotypes about
>Jews. 
>
>Other anti-Semitic allegations regarding kosher designation on foods
>include charges that "the kosher food racket" benefits Jewish
>organizations while only a small segment of the American population
>desires such markings, and that even the meanings of the labels are
>guarded secrets deliberately kept from non-Jews to trick them into
>paying the "kosher tax." 
>
>The Facts 
>
>Attacks on the labeling of food with the symbols for kashruth
>(traditional Jewish dietary laws) have been a standard ploy of
>anti-Jewish bigots in the U.S. for decades. Such symbols as [encircled
>U], emblem of the Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations (UOJC), among
>others, confirm that products are kosher -- i.e., that foods and
>production processes have been inspected by competent rabbis from the
>respective organizations and found to be in compliance with Jewish
>dietary law. 
>
>The cost to the consumer for this service is a miniscule fraction of
>the total production overhead; it is so negligible in practical terms
>as to be virtually non-existent. A May 18, 1975 New York Times article
>reported that the cost to General Foods' "Bird's Eye" Unit, for
>example, is 6.5 millionths (.0000065) of a cent per item. Furthermore,
>a representative of the Heinz Company has said that the per item cost
>is "so small we can't even calculate it," and that such labeling
>actually makes products less costly by increasing the market for them.
>
>
>Indeed, according to marketing manager Steven Zamichow, quoted in the
>Washington Post, "Entenmann's Inc. received kosher certification in
>1981 and sales of [its] baked goods 'increased substantially.'" Visits
>to the Entenmann's plant, from a "mashgiach," or kashruth inspector,
>are provided by the Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations of America.
>The UOJC is one of several groups that maintain such a kosher
>inspection service, certifying foods and related products to be in
>compliance with Jewish dietary laws through all phases of production.
>The profit from these products goes, of course, to the companies that
>manufacture them and the stores that sell them, not to "the Jews."* 
>
>The Lies 
>
>The most active right wing extremist sources of the "kosher tax" hoax
>are various Ku Klux Klan groups and the National States Rights Party,
>based in Marietta, GA. The Invisible Empire Knights of the Ku Klux
>Klan (now based in North Carolina), through its Empire Publishing,
>offers a pamphlet titled "The Kosher Tax Swindle" to its members and
>supporters. The pamphlet begins: 
>
>"American families are paying tribute to Jews every time they sit down
>at the table to eat and in many instances, polish their shoes, silver
>or wrap the leftover Thanksgiving turkey. Why? Because Jews have
>discovered a way to coerce business to pay taxes directly to Jewish
>organizations and pass the cost on to the consumer." 
>
>The racist and anti-Semitic National States Rights Party ( NSRP),
>founded in 1958, became a focal point of violent opposition to civil
>rights struggle in the South and has functioned as both a propaganda
>mill and a political party. 
>
>The party's founder, Edward Fields, has served as its National
>Secretary, as well as the editor of the party's hate sheet, "The Truth
>At Last" (formerly "The Thunderbolt"). Fields was also the Grand
>Dragon of the now-defunct New Order, Knights of the Ku Klux Klan. 
>
>"The Truth At Last" published a special issue in June 1990 which dealt
>only with kosher symbols. Articles appeared in this edition with such
>titles as: "Six States Make Rabbis Kosher Policeman [sic]," "Secret
>Kosher Tax Boosts Food Prices," "How Kosher Blackmail Works," and
>"Kosher Tax Symbols May Be Changed to Hide Swindle." 
>
>"Describing" kashruth, Fields has written that "All of this is
>superstitious nonsense and has absolutely nothing to do with improving
>the quality of any food product. Still, this clever scheme of
>requiring kosher labeling has become a multi-million dollar business
>today!" Another article in "The Truth At Last" asserted that the
>"kosher tax" is paid to Orthodox Jewish organizations "just so an
>estimated 10% to 20% of Jewry will buy their products," and that "we
>are all forced to pay this Kosher Tax just to appease LESS THAN ONE
>PERCENT OF THE POPULATION!" 
>
>Bigotry Over a Beer Label 
>
>With the recent announcement that the Adolph Coors Brewing Co. will
>carry the [encircled U] symbol on its beer, Hans Schmidt, founder of
>the California-based German-American National Political Action
>Committee (GANPAC) took it upon himself to write a protest letter to
>Peter Coors, President of the company. 
>
>Schmidt, who was a member of the Hitler Youth and claims to have
>served in the Waffen-SS during World War II, has been a leading
>proponent of Holocaust "revisionism" in the United States for many
>years. Following along the lines of many other anti-Semites, Schmidt
>promotes the myth of "Jewish control" of banks, the media, and the
>government. 
>
>In his letter to Peter Coors, Schmidt asserted that "as someone of
>German descent you ought to be ashamed to acquiesce to this scheme.
>You must know that the Jews in the aggregate use a lot of the finances
>thus gathered to spy on non-Jews, to terrorize others (JDL), to ruin
>other people's businesses (numberous Jewish organizations and
>individuals), and to promote their political power to the point where
>this country has been subservient to the needs of another nation
>(Israel)." 
>
>Schmidt also repeated the usual false charges regarding kosher
>symbols, including that "there usually are great costs and efforts
>connected with the kosher certification and that rabbis will make
>upwards of $450,000 from Coors." In a post-script Schmidt made the
>suggestion that Coors add the following symbols to its label: "a
>symbolic fish for Protestants," "a Catholic cross for Catholics," and
>"a Swastika for Nordics/Odinists." 
>
>Beating the "Tax" 
>
>Some extre"You Don't Have to be Jewish..." 
>
>Contrary to the anti-Semitic charge that kosher labeling is a tightly
>guarded "Jewish secret" kept from Christians and others, it is not
>only Jews who prefer to purchase kosher food. According to the
>Washington Post (Sept. 27, 1990), "Some kosher marketing officials
>estimate there may be as many as six million Americans who seek out
>Kosher foods in the supermarket. Of these only 1.5 million are Jewish.
>Moslems and Seventh Day Adventists also adhere to certain aspects of
>applicable only to its limited market, not the general consumer. 
>
>[For additional information related to the certification of kosher
>foods, see the press reports available from the Nizkor Project,
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/antisemitism/kosher-tax/press]



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On Wed, 02 Jan 2002 20:20:48 GMT, Rocketboy 
wrote:

>Kenneth McVay, OBC wrote:
>
>[..]
>
>Good info. Interresting point it made at the end about more than Jews 
>wanting Kosher food. I was going to ask about Halal certification, 
>which I've seen only rarely.


Yeah, but does anyone who is not a jew and doesn't care have to pay
for kosher certification? That's the question 'rocketboy' ( an apt
name). I mean salt? Aluminum foil? Bleach? This is absolute bullshit.
Stick to the topic boyo.

tyler


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There is no difference between a swastika and the zion star. Zionism
has been declared by the United Nations as being no different from
Naziism. 

So, which synagogue do you go to?

tyler


On Wed, 02 Jan 2002 20:08:30 GMT, Rocketboy 
wrote:

>cuddles@salmahayeksknockers.edu wrote:
>[..]
>> I enourage you to not accept his authoritative-sounding postings at
>> face value, but instead, to hit the web and follow up with your own
>> reserarch.
>
>He's right. Let's begin with Dan's references, shall we?
>
>> I did some further research, and found some supplementary discussion
>> on the matter which may be of interest:
>> 
>> http://www.jna.tzo.com/posts/kosher.html
>
>www.jna.tzo.com is "Jerry's Aryan Battle Page". Have a look at the home 
>page. It has adverts for "Mein Kampf". and various "pro-White 
>organizations".
>
>> http://www.ukar.org/tax.shtml
>
>This one's more subtle, but full of lovely quotes about how 
>anti-Semitism in the Ukraine is imaginary. It even explains how said 
>anti-Semitism is actually a Jewish conspiracy (what else?) to increase 
>immigration to Israel.
>
>> http://www.standarte-slc.com/jewishquestion05.html
>
>Look, ma! A giant swastika! http://www.standarte-slc.com/
>
>What interresting sources you choose. I wonder what they say about you?
>
>[..]



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Hey Kenny, is this quote true?

"Anti-Semitism is nothing but the antagonistic attitude produced in
the non-Jew by the Jewish group. The Jewish group has thrived on
oppression and on the antagonism it has forever met in the world." 
ALBERT EINSTEIN Physicist (Collier's Magazine, November 26, 1938)  


tyler


On Wed, 2 Jan 2002 15:31:37 +0000 (UTC), kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org
(Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:

>ADL Special Edition, January 1991 
>A periodic update from the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith 
>Civil Rights Division 
>
>"The Kosher Food Tax is the biggest consumer fraud existing in
>America." 
>
>The bizarre claim by right wing extremists that kosher certification
>markings on food labels ("U," "K," etc.) cost consumers extra money
>and represent, in effect, a "kosher tax" to make rabbis rich, is a
>striking example of the propaganda used by anti-Semites to trick the
>uninformed into accepting conspiracy charges and stereotypes about
>Jews. 
>
>Other anti-Semitic allegations regarding kosher designation on foods
>include charges that "the kosher food racket" benefits Jewish
>organizations while only a small segment of the American population
>desires such markings, and that even the meanings of the labels are
>guarded secrets deliberately kept from non-Jews to trick them into
>paying the "kosher tax." 
>
>The Facts 
>
>Attacks on the labeling of food with the symbols for kashruth
>(traditional Jewish dietary laws) have been a standard ploy of
>anti-Jewish bigots in the U.S. for decades. Such symbols as [encircled
>U], emblem of the Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations (UOJC), among
>others, confirm that products are kosher -- i.e., that foods and
>production processes have been inspected by competent rabbis from the
>respective organizations and found to be in compliance with Jewish
>dietary law. 
>
>The cost to the consumer for this service is a miniscule fraction of
>the total production overhead; it is so negligible in practical terms
>as to be virtually non-existent. A May 18, 1975 New York Times article
>reported that the cost to General Foods' "Bird's Eye" Unit, for
>example, is 6.5 millionths (.0000065) of a cent per item. Furthermore,
>a representative of the Heinz Company has said that the per item cost
>is "so small we can't even calculate it," and that such labeling
>actually makes products less costly by increasing the market for them.
>
>
>Indeed, according to marketing manager Steven Zamichow, quoted in the
>Washington Post, "Entenmann's Inc. received kosher certification in
>1981 and sales of [its] baked goods 'increased substantially.'" Visits
>to the Entenmann's plant, from a "mashgiach," or kashruth inspector,
>are provided by the Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations of America.
>The UOJC is one of several groups that maintain such a kosher
>inspection service, certifying foods and related products to be in
>compliance with Jewish dietary laws through all phases of production.
>The profit from these products goes, of course, to the companies that
>manufacture them and the stores that sell them, not to "the Jews."* 
>
>The Lies 
>
>The most active right wing extremist sources of the "kosher tax" hoax
>are various Ku Klux Klan groups and the National States Rights Party,
>based in Marietta, GA. The Invisible Empire Knights of the Ku Klux
>Klan (now based in North Carolina), through its Empire Publishing,
>offers a pamphlet titled "The Kosher Tax Swindle" to its members and
>supporters. The pamphlet begins: 
>
>"American families are paying tribute to Jews every time they sit down
>at the table to eat and in many instances, polish their shoes, silver
>or wrap the leftover Thanksgiving turkey. Why? Because Jews have
>discovered a way to coerce business to pay taxes directly to Jewish
>organizations and pass the cost on to the consumer." 
>
>The racist and anti-Semitic National States Rights Party ( NSRP),
>founded in 1958, became a focal point of violent opposition to civil
>rights struggle in the South and has functioned as both a propaganda
>mill and a political party. 
>
>The party's founder, Edward Fields, has served as its National
>Secretary, as well as the editor of the party's hate sheet, "The Truth
>At Last" (formerly "The Thunderbolt"). Fields was also the Grand
>Dragon of the now-defunct New Order, Knights of the Ku Klux Klan. 
>
>"The Truth At Last" published a special issue in June 1990 which dealt
>only with kosher symbols. Articles appeared in this edition with such
>titles as: "Six States Make Rabbis Kosher Policeman [sic]," "Secret
>Kosher Tax Boosts Food Prices," "How Kosher Blackmail Works," and
>"Kosher Tax Symbols May Be Changed to Hide Swindle." 
>
>"Describing" kashruth, Fields has written that "All of this is
>superstitious nonsense and has absolutely nothing to do with improving
>the quality of any food product. Still, this clever scheme of
>requiring kosher labeling has become a multi-million dollar business
>today!" Another article in "The Truth At Last" asserted that the
>"kosher tax" is paid to Orthodox Jewish organizations "just so an
>estimated 10% to 20% of Jewry will buy their products," and that "we
>are all forced to pay this Kosher Tax just to appease LESS THAN ONE
>PERCENT OF THE POPULATION!" 
>
>Bigotry Over a Beer Label 
>
>With the recent announcement that the Adolph Coors Brewing Co. will
>carry the [encircled U] symbol on its beer, Hans Schmidt, founder of
>the California-based German-American National Political Action
>Committee (GANPAC) took it upon himself to write a protest letter to
>Peter Coors, President of the company. 
>
>Schmidt, who was a member of the Hitler Youth and claims to have
>served in the Waffen-SS during World War II, has been a leading
>proponent of Holocaust "revisionism" in the United States for many
>years. Following along the lines of many other anti-Semites, Schmidt
>promotes the myth of "Jewish control" of banks, the media, and the
>government. 
>
>In his letter to Peter Coors, Schmidt asserted that "as someone of
>German descent you ought to be ashamed to acquiesce to this scheme.
>You must know that the Jews in the aggregate use a lot of the finances
>thus gathered to spy on non-Jews, to terrorize others (JDL), to ruin
>other people's businesses (numberous Jewish organizations and
>individuals), and to promote their political power to the point where
>this country has been subservient to the needs of another nation
>(Israel)." 
>
>Schmidt also repeated the usual false charges regarding kosher
>symbols, including that "there usually are great costs and efforts
>connected with the kosher certification and that rabbis will make
>upwards of $450,000 from Coors." In a post-script Schmidt made the
>suggestion that Coors add the following symbols to its label: "a
>symbolic fish for Protestants," "a Catholic cross for Catholics," and
>"a Swastika for Nordics/Odinists." 
>
>Beating the "Tax" 
>
>Some extre"You Don't Have to be Jewish..." 
>
>Contrary to the anti-Semitic charge that kosher labeling is a tightly
>guarded "Jewish secret" kept from Christians and others, it is not
>only Jews who prefer to purchase kosher food. According to the
>Washington Post (Sept. 27, 1990), "Some kosher marketing officials
>estimate there may be as many as six million Americans who seek out
>Kosher foods in the supermarket. Of these only 1.5 million are Jewish.
>Moslems and Seventh Day Adventists also adhere to certain aspects of
>applicable only to its limited market, not the general consumer. 
>
>[For additional information related to the certification of kosher
>foods, see the press reports available from the Nizkor Project,
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/antisemitism/kosher-tax/press]



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That's a completely bullshit article because most consumers are
completely unaware of what COR is. I can ask ANY gentile on the
streets and they don't know.

Florida has a large Jewish population so it's no wonder someone would
write glowingly about this religious tax.

Get real.

tyler 


On Wed, 2 Jan 2002 20:44:31 +0000 (UTC), kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org
(Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:

>The Winnipeg Free Press, of June 5, 1996, D1
>
>Kosher Explosion
>High standards make for expansion in market
>By Linda Shrieves, Orlando Sentinal
>
>Quick! Can you name the fastest growing ethnic foods in North
>American grocery stores?
>
>Sure, you rattled off Mexican, Italian and Chinese foods. But
>did you mention kosher?
>
>That's right, kosher.
>
>North Americans are in the midst of a kosher explosion - as
>the number of kosher products on supermarket shelves grows 12
>per cent to 15 per cent each year.
>
>Only a decade ago, consumers looking for kosher products
>headed for a specialty section in their supermarket - or to a
>specialty deli. Today, they can find kosher products in most
>supermarket aisles.
>
>The mushrooming market is illustrated by the number of
>packaged food products available. There are now 33,000 kosher
>products on the market, being manufactured by 7,900 different
>companies. In 1977, by contrast, 412 companies were producing
>a total of 1,000 kosher products.
>
>The kosher explosion began in the early 1980s - in part
>because consumers have less confidence in food manufacturers,
>said Menachem Lubinski, president of Integrated Marketing
>Communications, a New York firm that tracks the kosher food
>industry.
>
>"In the food industry, you don't have a Good Housekeeping
>symbol," Lubinsky said. "So people are groping for something
>that will assure them of quality. They frequently replace the
>word kosher for quality."
>
>Think not? Consider the case of kosher hot dogs. Many non-Jews
>buy them because they believe kosher hot dogs contain better
>quality meat than nonkosher dogs. And some supermarkets now
>carry kosher chickens, which have found a following among many
>consumers because the chickens are farm-raised and are not
>given growth hormones or steroids.
>
>                          Symbol
>
>If you haven't noticed the kosher explosion, you're not alone.
>You may not be in the habit of checking your canned and
>packaged groceries for the small circled U or K symbol that
>signifies a kosher product. (Each rabbinical association has a
>distinct symbol, but most of the well-known certifying
>organizations incorporate a U or K in their symbol.)
>
>Wander down the average supermarket aisle, however, and you'll
>probably be surprised at the products now deemed kosher.
>
>Coca-Cola is now kosher. Jell-O is too. So is Maxwell House
>Coffee, Dannon Yogurt and Coors beer. Even M&Ms are now
>kosher, a blessing to Jewish chocoholics.
>
>Why are no many food manufacturers undergoing rabbinical
>inspections and the necessary paperwork to get their products
>deemed kosher? Because in certain parts of the United States,
>the Northeast, for example, Jews make up a significant share
>of the market.
>
>But there's a growing non-Jewish population eating kosher
>foods, such as vegans, who don't eat animal products,
>including dairy foods. They look for the kosher "pareve"
>designation. That signals that a packaged food has no dairy
>and no meat.
>
>For vegans, the pareve label can be particularly crucial.
>That's because many products that seem to be free of animal
>products may contain gelatins and emulsifiers made from
>rendered animal fat. Those products can't earn the kosher
>designation, let alone pareve, which indicates the absence of
>meat products.
>
>For many food manufacturers -- those whos products don't use
>meat -- kosher inspection involves periodic inspections by a
>rabbi and turning in a list of product ingredients, which is
>then checked to make sure all the ingredients are deemed
>kosher.
>
>                      Intensive
>
>But meat inspection is much more intensive. A Jewish inspector
>(mashgiach) is on site to carefully supervise the slaughter of
>the animals and to inspect the carcass for any sign of disease
>or abnormality. Rabbinical inspectors also ensure that the
>animal is killed humanely (with one clean slit to the throat)
>and that the blood is completely drained and cleaned from the
>carcass.
>
>Following rabbinical inspection, animals that don't meet the
>standards are then sold to nonkosher vendors.
>
>Because of the careful inspection, kosher meat costs more than
>non-kosher meat. But consumers feel they get additional
>supervision that is much tougher than a federal meat
>inspection.
>
>=30=



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Oh right, I do not belong to those groups  or your group. I don't hate
Jews or white supremists. I find every group has some truth but all
groups lie eventually. 

One of the truths is that the COR is a religious tax that I am paying
for. If it was a catholic tax I would also object. It has nothing to
do with anti semitism but you make it so by including the fact that
these other groups are also concerned in an answer to my post.

So you tie me in with them. Just answer my post rather than spewing
the typical bullshit anti-semite tirade. Actually the more you do it
the less effective it becomes, now I'm torn :)

tyler






On Wed, 2 Jan 2002 20:53:12 +0000 (UTC), kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org
(Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:

>In article ,
>tyler   wrote:
>>As usual, Kenneth automatically labels anyone as anti-semitic and a
>>bigot who disagrees with his views. It is an important tactic used to
>>attack rather than respond reasonably to any criticism or comment on
>>anything that involves jewery.  The fact that it was so successfully
>>used by Stalin and Hitler both was not lost on the JDL and other
>>extremist organizations. 
>
>I haven't labeled anyone, but simply pointed out a true fact: "Kosher
>Tax" material is activiely distributed by right wing extremists in an
>attempt to foster hatred towards Jews. 
>
>>Kenney doen't offer any proof or reasonable discussion but simply a
>>tiresome tirade of hate that is equal to the Nazis. He is no
>>different.
>
>
>
>>Please answer the following Kenney,
>>
>>1) Why does salt have to be recognized by the rabbis? 
>
>Why not ask the "rabbis"? I'm not Jewish, and certainly don't speak
>for anyone who is. I think it is safe to assume, however, that the
>reason is simple, as The Winnipeg Free Press article I posted here
>explained, using the example of kosher hot dogs:
>
>"'In the food industry, you don't have a Good Housekeeping
>symbol,' Lubinsky said. 'So people are groping for something
>that will assure them of quality. They frequently replace the
>word kosher for quality.'
>
>"Think not? Consider the case of kosher hot dogs. Many non-Jews
>buy them because they believe kosher hot dogs contain better
>quality meat than nonkosher dogs. And some supermarkets now
>carry kosher chickens, which have found a following among many
>consumers because the chickens are farm-raised and are not
>given growth hormones or steroids." ("Kosher Explosion: High 
>Standards make for expansion in market," Winnipeg Free Press, 
>June 5, 1996, page D1)
>
>>2) How much does the rabbanical organization get from Sifto or Windsor
>>   salt for their unecessary certification?
>
>Since the certification isn't "unecessary," the question is moot.
>
>>3) Why does ketchup have to be kosher certified?
>
>See above. An additional clue, from the same WFP article:
>"For vegans, the pareve label can be particularly crucial.
>That's because many products that seem to be free of animal
>products may contain gelatins and emulsifiers made from
>rendered animal fat. Those products can't earn the kosher
>designation, let alone pareve, which indicates the absence of
>meat products."
>
>>4) Why does bleach have to be kosher certified?
>
>See above.



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On Wed, 02 Jan 2002 14:02:53 -0700, flynn@powersurfr.com wrote:

>
>
>"Kenneth McVay, OBC" wrote:
>
>> In article ,
>>   wrote:
>> >In calgary.general His Divine Shadow  wrote:
>> >
>> >> Thanks for the info, Kenneth.
>> >
>> >Although Mcvay's information may seem superficially informative, do not
>> >consider it to be a comprehensive overview of the Kosher Food Tax
>> >controversy.   Rarely does he tell a direct lie, but will not volunteer
>> >information or interpretation that does not suit his purposes.
>> >
>> >I enourage you to not accept his authoritative-sounding postings at face value,
>> >but instead, to hit the web and follow up with your own reserarch.
>> >
>> >I did some further research, and found some supplementary discussion on
>> >the matter which may be of interest:
>> >
>> >http://www.jna.tzo.com/posts/kosher.html
>> >http://www.ukar.org/tax.shtml
>> >http://www.standarte-slc.com/jewishquestion05.html
>>
>> >Although the cost to the end user may be negligible, the culmulative revenue
>> >for Jewish organizations involved is (at least) in the tens of millions.
>> >Consumers should be informed of the existence of this tax, so they will be
>> >empowered to make purchasing choices in line with their values.
>>
>> It is no more a "tax" than is the cost of advertising, or management
>> salaries, or any other overhead cost added to the consumer price.
>>
>> In some cases, the actual retail price has been _reduced_ after kosher
>> certification, because the increased sales volume generated additional
>> profits.
>>
>
> Perhaps they should have Christian and Muslim certification on products as well,
>since that would appeal to those segments of the population as well.
> Mr. McVay, can you tell me the difference between kosher laundry detergent and
>non-kosher laundry detergent?

No of course he can't. But that won't stop him from calling you an
anti-semite Nazi white racist bastard. 





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On Wed, 2 Jan 2002 21:08:17 +0000 (UTC), kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org
(Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:

>In article ,
>tyler   wrote:
>>Hey Kenny, is this quote true?
>>
>>"Anti-Semitism is nothing but the antagonistic attitude produced in
>>the non-Jew by the Jewish group. The Jewish group has thrived on
>>oppression and on the antagonism it has forever met in the world." 
>>ALBERT EINSTEIN Physicist (Collier's Magazine, November 26, 1938)  
>
>Are you asking if I agree with Einstein? No, I do not agree with him.
>What was your point, by the way? Were you citing Einstein to justify
>your antisemitism, or just trying to avoid dealing with the subject at
>hand, which was the "kosher tax" fraud?


The point is that what he said is the truth. I am not anti-semitic.  I
question the purpose of the COR certification that is a religious and
not nutritional standard being placed on common  food items. These
items do not need this certification based on the religious groups own
standards.

You immediatly claim that I am anti semitic. I take it you are a
zionist. 

There is nothing anti-semitic about me or my right of free speech to
question a food tax.

You are anti-democratic and a mudracking liar. 
And Albert Einstein is 100% correct. I'll certainly take his word over
yours.

Tyler 


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On Wed, 2 Jan 2002 21:06:40 +0000 (UTC), kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org
(Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:

>In article <48r63usi8fqk92a75irs4ecfejh8g57opi@4ax.com>,
>tyler   wrote:
>>
>>Oh by the way Kenney,
>
>The correct spelling for the diminutive is "Kenny."
>
>>Here's a direct quote from the Talmud. You know, civil and canonical
>>laws.
>
>If you're going to offer red herrings, you might want to peruse
>http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Cyprus/8815/ before you embarrass
>yourself further, as you did when you identify Talmud as "civil and
>canonical laws." You'll find Jewish law in the Torah, not the Talmud,
>but don't let anything as strange as the truth prevent you from
>announcing your ignorance.
>
>>"Jehovah created the non-Jew in human form so that the Jew would not
>>have to be served by beasts. The non-Jew is consequently an animal in
>>human form, and condemned to serve the Jew day and night." -Midrasch
>>Talpioth, p. 225-L. 
>>
>>Is this quote true? Oh oops, I forgot your other law:
>
>It isn't my law, Bubba. I'm not Jewish, and no, the quote is not
>correct. You will find
>http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Cyprus/8815/qts.html illuminating.


Oh, so the quote is from the Torah? Thanks. I can always learn. The
quotes certainly illuminate what that would go for hate literature in
gentile circles is embraced by certain religious jewish groups. Very
interesting and informative.

Thanx
tyler


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On Wed, 2 Jan 2002 21:14:34 +0000 (UTC), kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org
(Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:

>In article <77t63usrmiupj513clmp5bh2v6otmujqbi@4ax.com>,
>tyler   wrote:
>>Oh right, I do not belong to those groups  or your group. I don't hate
>>Jews or white supremists. I find every group has some truth but all
>>groups lie eventually. 
>>
>>One of the truths is that the COR is a religious tax that I am paying
>>for. If it was a catholic tax I would also object. It has nothing to
>>do with anti semitism but you make it so by including the fact that
>>these other groups are also concerned in an answer to my post.
>
>The kosher certification cost is not a religious tax. Live with it,
>Bubba.


Oh right. And rabbis aren't religious. In fact 'kosher' does not have
anything to do with religion I suppose.

Nice try zionist.



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Good for you, you can read.  No one is arguing the right to buy
kosher. You obviously are burying the fact that salt does not require
the certification that you promote. 

You are partly right on one thing, as a culture we should not cater to
any one group. And that includes rabbis. This certification should be
free and not cost the consumer even one cent per million cans. As you
are very well aware, fractions amount to millions.

I like kosher hot dogs. I pay extra for them. I know that I have to
pay up front. It is not right that I have to pay any religious group
taxes on other foods, particularly foods like salt or non food items
like bleach and aluminum foil. This is clearly an abuse of religious
and moral principles. Can you follow that? Just digest for a day
before you open your mouth again...

tyler


On Wed, 02 Jan 2002 20:59:02 GMT, Patrick Gallagher
 wrote:

>I've read a few good articles on the subject, and it goes a lot further 
>than just "The Jews".
>
>Kosher foods are excellent for people who are allergic to milk, or 
>vegans (because of tight restrictions on combining certain types of 
>foods) - while the origin of Kosher may be religious, the foods 
>themselves can provide a security blanket for people who need to exclude 
>specific things from their diets :)
>
>And as a further tidbit, the jewish population in Canada is actually 
>quite large... and the population that can make good use of the Kosher 
>system is far more substancial - we're not a culture that should be 
>catering to anyone specific, rather, we're a culture that should be 
>willing to provide a comfortable, friendly environment to many different 
>cultures. If this means paying an extra 6 cents on every million cans of 
>soup we buy, that's really not a prohibitive cost to being cross-culture 
>friendly - even the superstore doesn't buy enough product to notice that 
>small of a price hike :)
>
>Patrick
>
>>
>>Ken's information is all well and good but it still doesn't address all
>>of the issues raised in the appended post,  which probably was the
>>reason why he was moved to comment on the subject in the first place.
>>
>>All and all, I don't suppose it is any worse than anything perpetuated
>>by the tradition of 'Royal Warrants' (http://www.royalwarrant.org/)
>>but I personally find the traditional rant and spin attached to everything
>>Ken puts out as some neo-nazi neo-conservative conspirarcy to be
>>getting a bit thin, and tiresome. A simple explaination of fact would
>>have sufficed.
>>
>>It's a continual appeal to developing a mindset that says if you aren't
>>a friend then you are any enemy. It's bullshit. I dare say there are
>>probably proportionately just as many Jews that are political right
>>wing extremeists as any other religion, including Baptists.
>>
>>No one has to be a neo-nazi to object to any spcial concession to a
>>religious organization thing that increases the cost all consumers must
>>bear, even if it adds only $0.0005 to the cost of an individual item.
>>
>>A few years back many people got their undies in a twist when it
>>was revealed that Rev. Sun Myung Moon was involved in many
>>well known companies, and boycotted it's products.
>>
>>AFAIC it doesn't matter if a religion is termed a cult, there is no
>>reason to attribute arcane motivations to anything that helps people
>>to appreciate the complexity of the world we live in.   
>>



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On Thu, 03 Jan 2002 00:47:13 GMT, His Divine Shadow
 wrote:

>His Merciful Shadow Fell Upon cuddles@salmahayeksknockers.edu on 1/2/02
>11:20:
>


>> http://www.ukar.org/tax.shtml
>
>Same shit, different angle. You only have to read so many references to the
>Jewish plot to take over the world before you can stop wondering about the
>sanity of the people running the site.


There is nothing about world domination on the above site. 

Shalom asshole.





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On Wed, 02 Jan 2002 21:00:24 GMT, Rocketboy 
wrote:

>tyler wrote:
>[..]
>> Yeah, but does anyone who is not a jew and doesn't care have to pay
>> for kosher certification? That's the question 'rocketboy' ( an apt
>> name). 
>
>That sounds vaguely like an insult. It's an inept one, however, since 
>its meaning isn't clear.

It's not an insult. Your use of the word 'rocketboy' is absolutely
marvelous. It's quite a feat of imagination. What's next, batman?

>
>> I mean salt? Aluminum foil? Bleach? This is absolute bullshit.
>
>I can't imagine why aluminum foil and bleach should be certified 
>kosher. Vegan, maybe. But anyway, if you want to complain about paying 
>money to support minorities, why do you pick such an insignificant 
>example? 

Because its a religion not a minority you dumb shit.


Why not complain about Indian Affairs? French on the 
>cornflakes box? Or how about the expense of ESL training for recent 
>immigrants? Is there any particular reason that out of all the 
>possibilities, it's the tiny "kosher tax" that puts a stone up your bum?
>
>> Stick to the topic boyo.
>
>The subject line is "The Kosher Tax: Recipe for Hate". I'd say I'm on 
>topic. If you don't like my comment, too damn bad.

Like it? It's hysterical!



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On Wed, 02 Jan 2002 21:44:10 GMT, "Howie"  wrote:

>
>"tyler"  wrote in message
>news:dcq63ukot2k147nj8kjfqmtc2k757fk1m3@4ax.com...
>> As usual, Kenneth automatically labels anyone as anti-semitic and a
>> bigot who disagrees with his views. It is an important tactic used to
>> attack rather than respond reasonably to any criticism or comment on
>> anything that involves jewery.  The fact that it was so successfully
>> used by Stalin and Hitler both was not lost on the JDL and other
>> extremist organizations.
>>
>> Kenney doen't offer any proof or reasonable discussion but simply a
>> tiresome tirade of hate that is equal to the Nazis. He is no
>> different.
>>
>>
>> Please answer the following Kenney,
>>
>> 1) Why does salt have to be recognized by the rabbis?
>
>It doesn't.  You can buy your salt from any salt vendor you like, even ones
>who are not kosher-certified.
>

Bullshit, sifto and windsor hold the market. 

>> 2) How much does the rabbanical organization get from Sifto or Windsor
>>    salt for their unecessary certification?
>
>Ask Sifto and Windsor.
they have been asked and refuse to answer.


>
>> 3) Why does ketchup have to be kosher certified?
>
>It doesn't.  You can buy your ketchup from any ketchup vendor you like, even
>ones who are not kosher-certified.

still doesn't answer the question as to why it has to be kosher
certified?



>
>> 4) Why does bleach have to be kosher certified?
>
>It doesn't.  You can buy your bleach from any bleach vendor you like, even
>ones who are not kosher-certified.


If it doesn't then remove the certification.

Your inane comments ignore the reality of the advertising and
marketing penetration of name brand products. Now these products are
supporting a religious organization. It is only fair that the
manufacturers advertise this fact.

They are not so I am doing it for them. 
And I certainly won't buy these products until the COR dissappears. I
suppose I have to buy salt from the americans now...





>
>>
>> Please respond to the questions.  They are simple enough and have
>> nothing to do with Nazis, anti-Semites or the price of tea in China.
>>
>> tyller
>
>[snip]
>



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On Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:11:56 +0000 (UTC), kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org
(Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:

>In article <88v63u0qtr1lpfnqgoiovoc07hjkn3956d@duff.ca>,
>No Spam   wrote:
>
>[...]
>
>>What I object to is you labeling everyone who is in the least
>>bit critical or questioning of subjects dealing with Jews as some
>>kind of racist, bigot, or whatever. It too is a tactic, if not of hate
>>then of aggressiveness and zealotry.
>
>Since I do _not_ label everyone "who is in the least bit critical 
>or questioning of subjects dealing with Jews" in the way you suggest.
>In fact, as my Jewish friends will tell you, I am "critical or
>questioning" on many issues concerning Jews and Things Jewish.
>
>If you can find an example, by all means provide it.

Easy, my post about COR. It wasnot against jews but against a
religious organization that happened to have rabbis running it. If it
were Catholic or Muslim I would be just as offended.

Your a zionist extremist no better than Beria or Begin.




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On Wed, 02 Jan 2002 22:42:56 GMT, Rocketboy 
wrote:

>No Spam wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 2 Jan 2002,
>> in edm.general
>> kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay, OBC) used both functioning
>> neurons to say:
>> 
>>>When a false claim is shown to be false, and nevertheless repeated,
>>>the assumption is that the falsehood has been deliberate.
>> 
>> You personal opinion is no more valid than his, and sad to relate
>> that is all that it is.
>
>No, but he has a point. Deliberately repeating a false claim certainly 
>reveals a hidden agenda.



wooooo, hidden agenda.  wow, that's really deep.



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Swastika, star of david, hammer and sickle, COR,  it's all the same
crap. National socialism, zionism and communism, it's all the same.


On Thu, 03 Jan 2002 01:01:58 GMT, His Divine Shadow
 wrote:

>His Merciful Shadow Fell Upon cuddles@salmahayeksknockers.edu on 1/2/02
>13:28:
>
> 
>>> Look, ma! A giant swastika! http://www.standarte-slc.com/
>> 
>> There is no swastika on that page.
>
>Sorry cuddles, but on a 17" monitor at 1024X768 resolution, the Swastika on
>that page is almost 4" across.
>
>It's just as big as the adoring photo of Adolf Hitler.



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On Thu, 03 Jan 2002 01:06:49 GMT, His Divine Shadow
 wrote:

>His Merciful Shadow Fell Upon tyler on 1/2/02 13:19:
>
>> As usual, Kenneth automatically labels anyone as anti-semitic and a
>> bigot who disagrees with his views.
>
>
>No, he saves that for people who deliberately post anti-semetic conspiracy
>theories as if they were legitimate news.
>
>> It is an important tactic used to
>> attack rather than respond reasonably to any criticism or comment on
>> anything that involves jewery.  The fact that it was so successfully
>> used by Stalin and Hitler both was not lost on the JDL and other
>> extremist organizations.
>
>Yada yada yada.

That's the smartest thing you've said.  It's also a jewish expression.
Interesting eh wot?




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On Thu, 03 Jan 2002 01:09:01 GMT, His Divine Shadow
 wrote:

>His Merciful Shadow Fell Upon tyler on 1/2/02 13:41:
>
>> On Wed, 02 Jan 2002 20:20:48 GMT, Rocketboy 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Kenneth McVay, OBC wrote:
>>> 
>>> [..]
>>> 
>>> Good info. Interresting point it made at the end about more than Jews
>>> wanting Kosher food. I was going to ask about Halal certification,
>>> which I've seen only rarely.
>> 
>> 
>> Yeah, but does anyone who is not a jew and doesn't care have to pay
>> for kosher certification? That's the question 'rocketboy' ( an apt
>> name). I mean salt? Aluminum foil? Bleach? This is absolute bullshit.
>> Stick to the topic boyo.
>
>Grow up. When you see the "Jewish Tax" on your sales receipt, you can bitch
>all you want. Til then, you're venting plasma.

Ha haa! That's great. 'The divine shadow" is even more illuminating.
What's wrong, you're prick is too small>

The fact is that there is no rabbi tax on the sales receipt and there
should be one. Now that I  know, I'll let others know. 
As for growing up, ha haa ha lol lol,  "the divine shadow" says a lot
about your mental age.




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On Thu, 03 Jan 2002 05:14:21 GMT, His Divine Shadow
 wrote:

>His Merciful Shadow Fell Upon Kenneth McVay, OBC on 1/2/02 14:08:
>
>> In article ,
>> tyler   wrote:
>>> Hey Kenny, is this quote true?
>>> 
>>> "Anti-Semitism is nothing but the antagonistic attitude produced in
>>> the non-Jew by the Jewish group. The Jewish group has thrived on
>>> oppression and on the antagonism it has forever met in the world."
>>> ALBERT EINSTEIN Physicist (Collier's Magazine, November 26, 1938)
>> 
>> Are you asking if I agree with Einstein? No, I do not agree with him.
>> What was your point, by the way? Were you citing Einstein to justify
>> your antisemitism, or just trying to avoid dealing with the subject at
>> hand, which was the "kosher tax" fraud?
>
>
>I did a search for the quote, and the ONLY place it shows up is on White
>Supremacist sites. Is the quote legit, and is it in context?


Why not try the library and look for the magazine? Context, since when
did you guys talk about anything in context.  I wondered about a
religious tax on my food which I never knew about and your buddy
Kenney jumped all over on me as an anti-semite. 

You f*cking zionist extremists should visit  the JDL leader that's in
jail and get your next orders.

tyler


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On Thu, 03 Jan 2002 03:16:49 -0500, Susan Cohen 
wrote:

>
>
>flynn@powersurfr.com wrote:
>
>>
>> I am just pointing out statements which before you mentioned that the reason Moslem,
>> Seventh Day Adventists, and others chose kosher food was that it is healthier, and
>> these statement directly contradict that argument.
>>  You have asserted that kosher foods were healthier. I suggest this is not the case.
>
>Kosher food is certainly perceived as healthier, due to the extra tests
>it is put through,but I agree that it does not mean it is guaranted to be
>such.
>
>Susan
>

Susan, it is not - it is the way the animal is butchered and various
heebeejeebee incantations said during the slaughter. Kosher is part of
a religion not is not a nutritional standard based on food science.

It is not organic and is not healthier. Pig meat is not allowed
because that would be cannibalism.  (a joke)

tyler


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On Thu, 03 Jan 2002 01:33:58 GMT, sillerTA@calcna.ab.ca (Paul Siller)
wrote:

>tyler  wrote:
>

>I can't believe this person is getting upset about kosher
>certification. As I understand it's a one time inspection to view
>the process (standards)..  The cost is spread over millions of
>canadians  (for a product like salt)  it's like a fraction of a
>cent...  Certification for Organic food is a more intensive
>process (and is anyone complaining about that?).
>
>But why are the big companies doing this?...
>
>MARKETING!!!
>
>
>Paul
>
>


You understand wrong., It is not one time. The cost is indeed spread
over millions of Canadians and not millions of religous Jews as it
should be. The religion is benefitting from the general population
having to pay for its services. The religious Jews should pay for  the
certification themselves. That is the only equitable solution.

Secondly, the foods I mentioned do not have to be certified based on
kosher "laws". Salt does not have to be, javex bleach does not have
to, aluminum foil etc etc.  

It is simply a religious tax and yes I object to that on principle not
on how much it costs. The ripoffs have to stop!

Tyler


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On Thu, 3 Jan 2002 16:22:32 +0000 (UTC), kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org
(Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:

>In article ,
>tyler   wrote:
>>On Thu, 03 Jan 2002 05:14:21 GMT, His Divine Shadow
>> wrote:
>>
>>>His Merciful Shadow Fell Upon Kenneth McVay, OBC on 1/2/02 14:08:
>>>
>>>> In article ,
>>>> tyler   wrote:
>>>>> Hey Kenny, is this quote true?
>>>>> 
>>>>> "Anti-Semitism is nothing but the antagonistic attitude produced in
>>>>> the non-Jew by the Jewish group. The Jewish group has thrived on
>>>>> oppression and on the antagonism it has forever met in the world."
>>>>> ALBERT EINSTEIN Physicist (Collier's Magazine, November 26, 1938)
>>>> 
>>>> Are you asking if I agree with Einstein? No, I do not agree with him.
>>>> What was your point, by the way? Were you citing Einstein to justify
>>>> your antisemitism, or just trying to avoid dealing with the subject at
>>>> hand, which was the "kosher tax" fraud?
>>>
>>>
>>>I did a search for the quote, and the ONLY place it shows up is on White
>>>Supremacist sites. Is the quote legit, and is it in context?
>
>>Why not try the library and look for the magazine? Context, since when
>>did you guys talk about anything in context.  I wondered about a
>>religious tax on my food which I never knew about and your buddy
>>Kenney jumped all over on me as an anti-semite. 
>
>There is no religious tax.

a kosher tax is a religious tax because kosher foods are foods that
are prepared according to religious laws and not according to
nutrition.

>
>>You f*cking zionist extremists should visit  the JDL leader that's in
>>jail and get your next orders.
>
>I admit to sex and Zionism, and condemn the JDL as a terrorist group.
>I reject the charge of extremism out of hand.

You may reject the charge but you are the worst kind of extremist. You
are a person who automatically labels people with serious charges if
they disagree with your viewpoint. 

Zionism has been declared as racism by the United Nations. You admit
to being a zionist therfore you are a racist. You finally admit it.

tyler



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Hitler hated the Jews because of their influence in communism and the
Bolshevik revolution.  All of the NKVD, SMERSH and future KGB leaders
were Jews. Everyone knows that the most brutal secret police force in
history was created by a Polish Jew Dzherzhinsky. Hitler considered
communism to be the world's greatest threat. He also predicted that
Russian communism would disintegrate. Read parts of Mein Kampf for
more detail.  It's rambling, somewhat incoherent but gives insight
into what motivated him. As they say: know thy enemy.

tyler 



On Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:29:02 +0000 (UTC), kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org
(Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:

>In article <3C34D934.1050500@telusplanet.net>,
>Patrick Gallagher   wrote:
>
>[...]
>
>>  Just for the record... I seriously doubt Hitler hated the Jews at 
>>all... he just needed money for his insane war effort, and exterminating 
>>the people with the most available money was a good way in his mind to 
>>raise funds... also keep in mind his mind was half rotted with syphilis 
>>at that point in time... If the aryans had been the wealthier group, he 
>>very likely would have exterminated them instead. Anyone who thinks he 
>>was anything more than an insane idiot needs some serious head 
>>examination of their own.
>
>There is no doubt that Hitler was determined to destroy Jews and
>Judaism - he made it clear enough. In a 1922 magazine interview, for
>instance, he said he would hang Jews from the lamposts of Munich when
>he came to power.
>
>There are some authors who believe that Hitler saw himself as doing
>the work of Jesus in murdering the Jews. Although I remain
>unconvinced, there is a considerable body of evidence pointing to
>this.



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On Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:49:22 +0000 (UTC), kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org
(Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:


>For YOU salt need not be. For those who keep kosher, it does. You
>don't have to buy it if you don't want to pay the 5-millionth of a
>cent cost. That you do not understand why these products should be
>certified doesn't change the fact that millions of people DO. 

What a fruitcake. Everyone can live without salt I suppose... Millions
of people DO NOT know that Canadian salt has a religious tax imposed
by rabbis. Just how many practicing Jews live in Canada? Millions is
it?

tyler




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On 4 Jan 2002 04:01:30 -0800, yitzgood@lycos.com (Yitzchak Goodman)
wrote:

>tyler  wrote in message news:...
>> The Council of Orthodox Rabbis: Kosher Tax on Canadians?
>> 
>> The Council of Orthodox Rabbis or COR is a certification for kosher
>> foods. Part of every dollar on an item that you purchase  that has the
>> abreviation COR followed by a number goes to the council of orthodox
>> rabbis, a religious organization. As a consumer you should be aware
>> than some products that you are purchasing cost more because of this
>> ceritification. 
>> 
>> The COR certification is now on foods and items that according to
>> Jewish law do not have to be certified. Salt is one of these yet you
>> will find COR 69 on SIfto salt and COR 92 on Windsor salt. Ketchup
>> also does not need certification yet there is a COR 10 on Heinz
>> ketchup. You will also find COR certification on such absurd items as
>> Javex Bleach.Can anyone please inform me  that as a result of
>> rabbinical supervision, Javex Bleach has become purer or more hygienic
>> or more effectiveI  Or ketchup? Or salt? Is it the amount of iodine in
>> the salt that the rabbis have to approve or what? I thought this was
>> done by nutritionists? Do the rabbis visit and inspect every salt mine
>> and tomato patch? 
>
>In general, kosher supervision looks at ingredient and equipment
>issues. What else is run on the same equipment? How do they clean up,
>etc. And look at some salt labels. You can often see other ingredients
>besides salt and potassium iodide. Ketchup contains vinegar and usually
>flavors. Plants that run tomato sauce and related products often use 
>meat and cheese. What is your source that Jewish law does not require 
>ketchup to be supervised?
>
>Yitz

What is your source that it does?

By the way, what does your name mean. I always like the sound of
'yitz'. It's kind of funny.


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On Fri, 04 Jan 2002 14:53:56 GMT, Patrick Gallagher
 wrote:

>Paul Abeles wrote:
>
>>--
>>tantum religio potuit suadere malorum
>>"Yitzchak Goodman"  wrote in message
>>news:c338b5c0.0201040401.57f53b2@posting.google.com...
>>
>>>tyler  wrote in message
>>>
>>news:...
>>
>>>>The Council of Orthodox Rabbis: Kosher Tax on Canadians?
>>>>
>>>>The Council of Orthodox Rabbis or COR is a certification for kosher
>>>>foods. Part of every dollar on an item that you purchase  that has the
>>>>abreviation COR followed by a number goes to the council of orthodox
>>>>rabbis, a religious organization. As a consumer you should be aware
>>>>than some products that you are purchasing cost more because of this
>>>>ceritification.
>>>>
>>>>The COR certification is now on foods and items that according to
>>>>Jewish law do not have to be certified. Salt is one of these yet you
>>>>will find COR 69 on SIfto salt and COR 92 on Windsor salt. Ketchup
>>>>also does not need certification yet there is a COR 10 on Heinz
>>>>ketchup. You will also find COR certification on such absurd items as
>>>>Javex Bleach.Can anyone please inform me  that as a result of
>>>>rabbinical supervision, Javex Bleach has become purer or more hygienic
>>>>or more effectiveI  Or ketchup? Or salt? Is it the amount of iodine in
>>>>the salt that the rabbis have to approve or what? I thought this was
>>>>done by nutritionists? Do the rabbis visit and inspect every salt mine
>>>>and tomato patch?
>>>>
>>>In general, kosher supervision looks at ingredient and equipment
>>>issues. What else is run on the same equipment? How do they clean up,
>>>etc. And look at some salt labels. You can often see other ingredients
>>>besides salt and potassium iodide. Ketchup contains vinegar and usually
>>>flavors. Plants that run tomato sauce and related products often use
>>>meat and cheese. What is your source that Jewish law does not require
>>>ketchup to be supervised?
>>>
>>>Yitz
>>>
>>
>>What a strange religion, tells you what, when and how to eat, and when to
>>screw your wife.
>>By Hashem, Judaists must be stupid.
>>
>  At the time Kosher laws were implemented, they made sense - the 
>overall standards of food, etc. were a lot lower, and people that ate 
>certain types of food invariably became sick, and often died.  Beyond 
>that point, it could be considered religious dogma, but while it may be 
>safe nowadays to eat pork and shellfish (shellfish are debateable - they 
>still frequently make people very sick... but thanks to much better 
>medical capabilities, they rarely die), keeping certain types of food 
>separate from others is an excellent way to avoid eating certain types 
>of products, such as dairy (which also makes people sick, but for 
>different reasons than being unsafe) or meat products and byproducts.
>
>  From what I've seen, almost every religious law had some sort of 
>purpose that was good intentioned to begin with - Kosher just happens to 
>be one of the few that actually stayed that way.
>
>Patrick

That's not the point here. The point is that non-religious or
non-affiliated Canadians are paying for kosher certification for
general food items. I could not care less that practicing Jews eat
kosher foods. That's their business. When I have to pay for it then it
becomes my business.

Stick to the topic!

tyler


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On Fri, 04 Jan 2002 15:00:40 GMT, Patrick Gallagher
 wrote:

>tyler wrote:
>
>>Hitler hated the Jews because of their influence in communism and the
>>Bolshevik revolution.  All of the NKVD, SMERSH and future KGB leaders
>>were Jews. Everyone knows that the most brutal secret police force in
>>history was created by a Polish Jew Dzherzhinsky. Hitler considered
>>communism to be the world's greatest threat. He also predicted that
>>Russian communism would disintegrate. Read parts of Mein Kampf for
>>more detail.  It's rambling, somewhat incoherent but gives insight
>>into what motivated him. As they say: know thy enemy.
>>
>>tyler 
>>
>>
>>
>>On Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:29:02 +0000 (UTC), kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org
>>(Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:
>>
>>>In article <3C34D934.1050500@telusplanet.net>,
>>>Patrick Gallagher   wrote:
>>>
>>>[...]
>>>
>>>> Just for the record... I seriously doubt Hitler hated the Jews at 
>>>>all... he just needed money for his insane war effort, and exterminating 
>>>>the people with the most available money was a good way in his mind to 
>>>>raise funds... also keep in mind his mind was half rotted with syphilis 
>>>>at that point in time... If the aryans had been the wealthier group, he 
>>>>very likely would have exterminated them instead. Anyone who thinks he 
>>>>was anything more than an insane idiot needs some serious head 
>>>>examination of their own.
>>>>
>>>There is no doubt that Hitler was determined to destroy Jews and
>>>Judaism - he made it clear enough. In a 1922 magazine interview, for
>>>instance, he said he would hang Jews from the lamposts of Munich when
>>>he came to power.
>>>
>>>There are some authors who believe that Hitler saw himself as doing
>>>the work of Jesus in murdering the Jews. Although I remain
>>>unconvinced, there is a considerable body of evidence pointing to
>>>this.
>>>
>  Keep in mind Hitler was insane - in his younger days, he was brilliant 
>(meaning highly intelligent, not correct), but by the time he came to 
>power his mind and judgement were incredibly clouded and damaged from 
>disease.  Not only that, but the Jewish people were only a small portion 
>(a very large number of people, mind you) of the people that were 
>murdered to fund his campaign - he may have had a personal mission 
>against the Jewish people, but his actions during the war did not 
>discriminate except between those who would give him funding, and those 
>he had to take it from.
>
>Patrick

Yeah, but his determination of destroying Jews came largely from their
influence in the communist party. Secondly was their inability to
assimilate into society thus forming a nation within a nation. 

The Ukrainian peasants experienced the nation within a nation concepts
first hand and this was not lost on the Germans. The famine in Ukraine
was orchestrated under Kaganovich, a Jew who was the head of the
Communist Party (Bolshevik) of Ukraine - CP(B)U, essentially the
president of Ukraine. Furthermore 80% of the secret police NKVD were
composed of Jews. In regions of Ukraine where the terror was the
greatest close to 100% of the NKVD were Jews. 

Germany being the closest "western" European country had the most to
fear and the most to lose from continuing communist expansion. The
holocaust of Ukrainians prior to WWII headed by a communist Jew and
supported by Jewish members of the secret police certainly convinced
many German leaders that the communist threat was real and the Jewish
influence in communism was disproportionate in terms of population
statistics. 

 What suprises me is that so little has been said about Hitler's
mindset on communism, and that of the German leadership. It's as if
the Ukrainian famine had no influence whatsoever. The German
Ambassador in Moscow frequently advised the German leadership on the
famine in Ukraine and its root causes.  The German people did not have
a "Walter Duranty" and knew about the famine that killed at least 7
million by starvation.

I think it is one reason neo-Nazism is on the rise again. When people
read about the Nazi view on communism  they wonder why such an obvious
truth was surpressed and then start believing everything Hitler said
later on in life. East Germans of course understand quite well what
communism brought them. As for the rest of the world, the closest we
came to the end of the world was in the fight against communism. This
is also not lost on new-Nazis.

So all in all it is no wonder Hitler targeted communists. Because
Russian, Polish and Ukrainian Jews were in the forefront of the Soviet
secret police and agents of terror and mass murder perhaps Hitler was
convinced that all Jews were enemies. Too bad we can't ask him about
that.

 He also thought that Slavs could not lead themselves and should be
subordinate to German leadership. Seeing as how all the royal families
in Europe are German, including the Queen of Canada, perhaps he had a
point :)

tyler


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On Fri, 04 Jan 2002 09:45:55 GMT, al51@nospam.cornell.edu (Adam
Littman) wrote:

>In article , tyler  wrote:
>>On Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:49:22 +0000 (UTC), kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org
>>(Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:
>>
>>
>>>For YOU salt need not be. For those who keep kosher, it does. You
>>>don't have to buy it if you don't want to pay the 5-millionth of a
>>>cent cost. That you do not understand why these products should be
>>>certified doesn't change the fact that millions of people DO. 
>>
>>What a fruitcake. Everyone can live without salt I suppose... Millions
>>of people DO NOT know that Canadian salt has a religious tax imposed
>>by rabbis. Just how many practicing Jews live in Canada? Millions is
>>it?
>
>ROFL. A "religious tax". Maybe things are different up in Canada, but down 
>here in the USA, if you don't pay a tax, and get caught, you go to jail.
>
>Any Canadians gone to jail because they make un-kosher food? (note, if they 
>claimed that non-kosher food was kosher, that is fraud, not tax evasion).
>
>If you don't like paying the millionth of a cent or so per pound it costs 
>to certify the salt as kosher, then just find a non-kosher brand.
>
>The funniest thing is that even if your time is only worth $5/hour you have 
>spent an amount of it in the last few posts bitching about kosher 
>certification that is worth _many_ times what you will pay _in your entire 
>lifetime_ on kosher certification. Assuming that you don't buy kosher meat.


Hey, I'm not Jewish. Not everything is money. I believe in principles
and ethics. It is unethical to force a majority to pay for the
religious practices of a minority, particularly when they are NOT
AWARE of the added cost.

It is my intention to clearly inform Canadians that they are paying
for COR. Zionists and practicing Jews have accused me of anti-Semitism
just because I consider this to be unfair.  Their accusations have
shown them to be the racists that the United Nations has confirmed
them to be.

Now go back to the USA newsgroups and try to get the legal defence
funds organized for the Jewish terrorist leader of the JDL.

tyler




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On Fri, 4 Jan 2002 21:48:11 +0000 (UTC), kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org
(Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:

>In article ,
>tyler   wrote:
>
>[...]
>
>>Yeah, but his determination of destroying Jews came largely from their
>>influence in the communist party. Secondly was their inability to
>>assimilate into society thus forming a nation within a nation. 
>
>I disagree. Hitler was raised within a strict Catholic environment,
>and saw Jews, literally, as the spawn of Satan. He hated them long
>before he became politically astute enough to associate Jews and
>Communism.
>
>German Jews were the most successfully integrated in all of Europe, so
>your second contention is also incorrect.

You may disagree all you like but I refer to Hitler's writings.
That's a bit more valid than your dreaming.

As for most successfull integration of German Jews in all of Europe
that statement is likely true. But it is a relativistic statement.
Some integration in Germany versus no integration elsewehere. The fact
remains that German Jews were not FULLY integrated in German society
enough to prevent their slaughter, regretful as that may seem.  

In the final analysis integration into any society can be faked by a
lot of PR work, something which American Jews have realized and apply
voraciously in the ad nauseum holocaust films and TV movies and
references. As if Americans were to blame... 

The recent arrest of the American  leader of the Jewish Defense League
for planned terrorist actions certainly underlies the inability for
some Jews to assimilate into any society. The American society is the
most free in history. If it can't be done there it can't be done
anywhere. Certainly not in pre-WWII Germany...

tyler




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On Fri, 4 Jan 2002 20:39:12 +0000 (UTC), kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org
(Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:

>In article ,
>tyler   wrote:
>
>[...]
>
>>That's not the point here. The point is that non-religious or
>>non-affiliated Canadians are paying for kosher certification for
>>general food items. I could not care less that practicing Jews eat
>>kosher foods. That's their business. When I have to pay for it then it
>>becomes my business.
>
>Good - thanks for conceding the point. Since you don't have to pay for
>it, it's none of your business. Purchasing kosher products is a
>voluntary matter.
>
>Stick to the topic!

I am, I started the topic. I have to pay a kosher food tax if I want
to buy salt.  I have been doing this for years UNKOWINGLY. I was never
offered the choice - or the information that there was a  religious
tax on food products in Canada. 

My posts are the first I am aware of that inform people about the
kosher tax that they are paying on food. There is nothing anti-semitic
about it. 

As a zionist, you are a racist and apply racist techniques to my posts
rather than address the issue.

tyler


If there is indeed a science of denial then zionists would be the
first Nobel winners. 




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On Fri, 4 Jan 2002 21:53:30 +0000 (UTC), kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org
(Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:

>In article ,
>tyler   wrote:
>>On Fri, 04 Jan 2002 09:45:55 GMT, al51@nospam.cornell.edu (Adam
>>Littman) wrote:
>>
>>>In article , tyler
>> wrote:
>>>>On Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:49:22 +0000 (UTC), kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org
>>>>(Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:
>
>>>>>For YOU salt need not be. For those who keep kosher, it does. You
>>>>>don't have to buy it if you don't want to pay the 5-millionth of a
>>>>>cent cost. That you do not understand why these products should be
>>>>>certified doesn't change the fact that millions of people DO. 
>
>>>>What a fruitcake. Everyone can live without salt I suppose... Millions
>>>>of people DO NOT know that Canadian salt has a religious tax imposed
>>>>by rabbis. Just how many practicing Jews live in Canada? Millions is
>>>>it?
>
>>>ROFL. A "religious tax". Maybe things are different up in Canada, but down 
>>>here in the USA, if you don't pay a tax, and get caught, you go to jail.
>
>>>Any Canadians gone to jail because they make un-kosher food? (note, if they 
>>>claimed that non-kosher food was kosher, that is fraud, not tax evasion).
>
>>>If you don't like paying the millionth of a cent or so per pound it costs 
>>>to certify the salt as kosher, then just find a non-kosher brand.
>
>>>The funniest thing is that even if your time is only worth $5/hour you have 
>>>spent an amount of it in the last few posts bitching about kosher 
>>>certification that is worth _many_ times what you will pay _in your entire 
>>>lifetime_ on kosher certification. Assuming that you don't buy kosher meat.
>
>>Hey, I'm not Jewish. Not everything is money. I believe in principles
>
>Tell us again how you aren't antisemitic, Mr. Durden.

Easy, when a clearly Jewish person insults me by saying my time is
worth $5 an hour I have to correct them by saying that I am not
Jewish. This of course is done as a joke. If you can't take it then
don't dish it out.

>
>>and ethics. It is unethical to force a majority to pay for the
>>religious practices of a minority, particularly when they are NOT
>>AWARE of the added cost.
>
>I believe in principles and ethics, and it seems clear to me that you
>have neither.
>
>>It is my intention to clearly inform Canadians that they are paying
>>for COR. Zionists and practicing Jews have accused me of anti-Semitism
>>just because I consider this to be unfair.  Their accusations have
>>shown them to be the racists that the United Nations has confirmed
>>them to be.
>
>I accuse you of antisemitism because you stereotype Jews in order to
>denegrate them. 

The United Nations has declared zionists to be racists. I don't
stereotype anybody. You have admitted to being a zionist therefore in
the eyes of the world you are a racist Kenney.




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On Fri, 4 Jan 2002 21:53:30 +0000 (UTC), kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org
(Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:

>In article ,
>tyler   wrote:
>>On Fri, 04 Jan 2002 09:45:55 GMT, al51@nospam.cornell.edu (Adam
>>Littman) wrote:
>>
>>>In article , tyler
>> wrote:
>>>>On Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:49:22 +0000 (UTC), kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org
>>>>(Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:
>

>>It is my intention to clearly inform Canadians that they are paying
>>for COR. Zionists and practicing Jews have accused me of anti-Semitism
>>just because I consider this to be unfair.  Their accusations have
>>shown them to be the racists that the United Nations has confirmed
>>them to be.
>
>I accuse you of antisemitism because you stereotype Jews in order to
>denegrate them. 

Well of course that's your opinion because that is the only way you
can argue against anyone who objects to a religious tax on food. You
are a professed zionist Mr. McVay. The United Nations has declared
zionism to be the same racism.  Therefor according to the UN  you are
a  racist. According to your posts and responses to me I accuse you of
being a racist.

None of this changes the fact that the COR tax is unfair and
unjustified for the majority of Canadians. Only a racist would say
that it is. And that is your position only  because it is your ethnic
group or zionist membership  that defends the imposition of the tax.
You are clearly the racist here.

tyler



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On Fri, 04 Jan 2002 23:15:08 GMT, al51@nospam.cornell.edu (Adam
Littman) wrote:

>In article , tyler  wrote:
>
>>That's not the point here. The point is that non-religious or
>>non-affiliated Canadians are paying for kosher certification for
>>general food items. I could not care less that practicing Jews eat
>>kosher foods. That's their business. When I have to pay for it then it
>>becomes my business.
>
>And as has been repeatedly pointed out to you, you _don't_ have to pay for it. 
>Just don't buy products with the kosher certification on it.
>
>Like any other certification or endorsement, you are free to not buy foods 
>that have been endorsed.

And as has  been repeatedly pointed out to you, there was no
notification of this tax to anybody. Canadians do not know they are
paying it. It is my intention to inform a few that you really object
to. Your intentions are obvious. You don't want Canadians to know.

As an American you do not know that the salt market is cornered by two
companies who both have the COR certification, so I don't have the
kind of choice that you insist I have.

>
>If you don't want to pay for Britney Spears endorsement of Pepsi, don't buy 
>Pepsi. Real simple.
>
>Of course if your _real_ problem were the "extra cost" you would not be 
>complaining about it since you have wasted more time complaining than it would 
>take to pay for your entire lifetime's cost for the Kosher certifications.
>
>Leading me to suspect that like everyone else complaining about the "kosher 
>certification" your real agenda is your hatred of Jews.


And this again confirms the knee-jerk reaction that comes whenever
anyone questions anything about the Jewish religion. If I question
something then I must hate you. Obviously your real agenda is to
accuse anyone of hatred of Jews to silence them. You are a racist Mr.
Littman, and probably a zionist to boot. Your 'everyone' else are also
zionists  so that statement is self serving as well. Kenneth McVay,  a
confessed zionist, immediatly accused me of anti-semitism the second I
posted a question about COR. 

I repeatedly pointed out that if the tax was Catholic or Protestant or
Muslim I would complain as well. It has nothing to do with Jews. Of
course you and McVay conveniently ignore this fact as it goes against
your paranoid delusions that you are hated by everyone.

tyler


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On Fri, 4 Jan 2002 22:47:24 +0000 (UTC), kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org
(Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:

>In article <6VpZ7.60170$HW3.39589@newsfeeds.bigpond.com>,
>Paul Abeles  wrote:
>>
>>
>>--
>>tantum religio potuit suadere malorum
>>"Kenneth McVay, OBC"  wrote in message
>>news:a158au$2sv9$1@news.tht.net...
>>> In article ,
>>> Paul Abeles  wrote:
>>> >--
>>> >tantum religio potuit suadere malorum
>>> >"BERNARDZ"  wrote in message
>>> >news:MPG.16a06202202e45d698aa58@NEWS...
>>> >> In article <3hhZ7.60002$HW3.39283@newsfeeds.bigpond.com>,
>>> >> yme@spamoff.com says...
>>> >> > Now the big question, is kosher wine better?
>>> >>
>>> >> Go to the shop and try it.
>>> >
>>> >No, I wont drink wine touched by a Jew.
>>> >
>>> >Now doesnt that sound racist, but its actually Jewish law not to drink
>>wine
>>> >touched by a non Jew.
>>>
>>> Actually, it is not. I've poured wine for Jewish friends, who laugh
>>> every time some bigot trots this one out.

That doesn't mean that they 'touched' your wine does it?. 

>>
>>Ignorance is bliss. Im sure there are many Jews who ignore this law however
>>most don't.
>>Before you argue with me on Jewish laws try learning some.
>
>Sorry, Bubba, but the assertion is meaningless, since few Jews in my
>experience, and I've met several thousand in the past few years, pay
>any attention to such laws. While some ultra-orthodox Jews may, I've
>never run across those who do. The statement is offered only in the
>hope it will denegrate Jews, not because it was relevant to the
>thread.

Oh yeah, in YOUR experience - and apparently according to your
statement you've had wine with several thousand Jews in the past few
years who don't pay attention to the wine law? Now I understand your
posts. You're drunk.

tyler


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On Fri, 4 Jan 2002 21:48:11 +0000 (UTC), kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org
(Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:

>In article ,
>tyler   wrote:
>
>[...]
>
>>Yeah, but his determination of destroying Jews came largely from their
>>influence in the communist party. Secondly was their inability to
>>assimilate into society thus forming a nation within a nation. 
>
>I disagree. Hitler was raised within a strict Catholic environment,
>and saw Jews, literally, as the spawn of Satan. He hated them long
>before he became politically astute enough to associate Jews and
>Communism.
>
>German Jews were the most successfully integrated in all of Europe, so
>your second contention is also incorrect.

Here is a post by Kenneth McVay in which he blames the Catholic
upbringing of Adolf Hitler as a reason that he hated Jews.

I'm sure most Catholics are offended by this and he should issue an
apology immediatly.

tyler



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And just WHOSE god are you complaining to????

It's important for the zionists to know...

On Fri, 04 Jan 2002 21:35:39 GMT, "Russ Porosky"
 wrote:

>"Shaba"  wrote in message
>news:i57u2uktc5hu1t5atj41u71q0qcfl48452@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 30 Dec 2001 07:49:47 GMT, "calgary_user"
>>  wrote:
>>
>> >I post two topics here, and am flamed for both of them.
>>
>> >Think of it.  You want to sit there and put people down, they won't post
>> >anything decent.  Instead all you will be left with is spam and 14 year
>olds
>> >that like to troll.
>>
>> This goes on in every newsgroup.  Take a peek at a few of the
>> religious groups.  Shortwave radio? Yup, 75% of the posts are flames
>> and name calling.  Calling someone a Nazi is very popular on that
>> newsgroup.  I'm sure the sewing and needlework groups have 70 year old
>> women calling each other sluts!  What it comes down to is the fact
>> it's easy to be brave behind the keyboard.
>
>it's easy to be brave because it's safe to be an idiot/jerk/asshole - who's
>going to come after you? no one. who's going to take a swing at you? no one.
>
>the idiot part comes when these people who's mission it is to flame others
>for "being stupid" are, in turn, flamed themselves, and for some reason this
>is not allowed. to those people (and there do seem to be a lot - not just
>here) i have only this to say: PTHBBBBBBBBBBBT!!!!!
>



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On Fri, 4 Jan 2002 21:48:11 +0000 (UTC), kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org
(Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:

>In article ,
>tyler   wrote:
>
>[...]
>
>>Yeah, but his determination of destroying Jews came largely from their
>>influence in the communist party. Secondly was their inability to
>>assimilate into society thus forming a nation within a nation. 
>
>I disagree. Hitler was raised within a strict Catholic environment,
>and saw Jews, literally, as the spawn of Satan. He hated them long
>before he became politically astute enough to associate Jews and
>Communism.
>
>German Jews were the most successfully integrated in all of Europe, so
>your second contention is also incorrect.

Kenneth McVay, Zionist,  Blames Catholicism for Hitler!

Here is a post by Kenneth McVay of the website niskor.org in which he
blames the Catholic upbringing of Adolf Hitler as a reason that he
hated Jews. By extension the holocaust. Apparently Catholics consider
Jews as the spawn of Satan. Gee, I don't recall that in my Sunday
school classes...

In fact his second paragraph contradicts the first if you think about
it.

I'm sure most Catholics are offended by this and he should issue an
apology immediatly.

tyler



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On Fri, 04 Jan 2002 06:10:02 GMT, His Divine Shadow
 wrote:

>His Merciful Shadow Fell Upon Paul Abeles on 1/3/02 03:52:
>
>> --
>> tantum religio potuit suadere malorum
>> "Kenneth McVay, OBC"  wrote in message
>> news:a10u18
>> 
>> So basically your implying that your country has inadequate health laws
>> compared to Judaic law.
>> Any intelligent, educated person understands the basic laws of food
>> preparation, we don't need some Rabbi to decide for us.
>> I've eaten shell fish, pork etc. for 50 years and never had a dose of food
>> poisoning.
>
>Who fucking cares?

RIght, so why don't you fuck off then eh wot?


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On Thu, 3 Jan 2002 16:51:25 +0000 (UTC), kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org
(Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:

>In article ,
>Paul Abeles  wrote:
>>--
>>tantum religio potuit suadere malorum
>>"Kenneth McVay, OBC"  wrote in message
>>news:a10u18
>>
>>So basically your implying that your country has inadequate health laws
>>compared to Judaic law.
>>Any intelligent, educated person understands the basic laws of food
>>preparation, we don't need some Rabbi to decide for us.
>>I've eaten shell fish, pork etc. for 50 years and never had a dose of food
>>poisoning.
>
>I imply nothing of the sort. I point out that kosher food is perceived
>to be healthier by its consumers.
>
>I also point out that I find kosher meats far more flavourful than
>non-kosher meats :-)

How would you know? You don't eat non kosher meats.
I don't percieve kosher foods as being healthier. So I guess I'm noit
a consumer in your twisted logic.

tyler



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On 3 Jan 2002 08:24:06 -0800, yitzgood@lycos.com (Yitzchak Goodman)
wrote:

>tyler  wrote in message 
>
>> Your a zionist extremist no better than Beria or Begin.
>
>Beria was a Gentile.
>
>Yitz

Yeah right. And you're a putz.


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On Fri, 04 Jan 2002 06:09:00 GMT, His Divine Shadow
 wrote:

>His Merciful Shadow Fell Upon tyler on 1/3/02 02:03:
>
>> You f*cking zionist extremists should visit  the JDL leader that's in
>> jail and get your next orders.
>
>Uh huh. It's not about race at all is it, dimbulb?


Zionists are racists. So with zionism it IS racism you fuckhead.
As for a divine shadow. it must be the shadow of jehovah's ass that
you portray so well. 

*plonk*

tyler



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BOYCOTT THE COR- Religious Tax on Our Homegrown Canadian Food!

Boycott COR! Many Canadian and American food products are certified by
the Council of Orthodox Rabbis. Look at the label of Heinz ketchup or
Windsor Salt. You will see COR followed by a couple of numbers. This
means that the Rabbis have an inspection system for these products
that YOU the consumer are paying for. The food inspection occurs from
the source through transport right to the finished product.  We are
talking pots and pans, food process, everything. It has nothing to do
with nutrition and everything to do with religious practices!  The
Rabbi Council takes a cut of the profits from every part of the food
chain right to the shelves on the grocery store. YOU pay the costs! 

Boycott COR! The unknowing Canadian population is paying for COR and
it has nothing to do with the quality of the food or its nutrition.
Kosher certification is a religious practice on how to prepare foods
and what foods not to include. The overwhelming majority of Canadians
does not follow the Jewish Orthodox religion and do not care about
kosher certification. If they did, there would be no pork chops in the
meat market. When I go to any supermarket, I see quite a lot of pork
products. The majority of food products, for now, also do not have the
COR certification. Proof enough that we do not care to pay for it!

Boycott COR! COR is a religion-imposed tax, which has nothing to do
with nutrition or Canadian law. It is also a secret tax as no one has
informed the general population. Did you know about it? How long have
YOU been buying COR approved products and paying for a religious
practice that you do not participate in? Please stop purchasing any
product with the COR abbreviation. 

Boycott COR! The practicing Jews and zionists who insist that kosher
certification costs nothing are liars who are simply denying the
obvious. They will attack anyone who complains about COR and
immediately label him or her as anti-semites. Calmly inform them that
this has nothing to do with race but everything to do with consumer
rights. Consumers have the right to be informed about COR and what it
costs them. Why is it so secret? WHAT IS THE COST???

Boycott COR! Any certification costs money.  Your driver's license
costs money. Food inspectors cost money. Car inspection costs money.
So does food inspection. It is obvious that the COR process costs
money. Only an ignorant child would not realize this. Yet the
religious zealots that defend the secret religious tax on food think
their arguments will be believed.  They say the costs are negligible.
On a million jars of ketchup? I do not think so and neither should
you. The costs are significant. It is like taking a penny out of
everyone's bank account in Canada every day. I would like that, no
wonder the Orthodox Rabbis like that too! 

Boycott COR! So far I have only been exposed to certain defenders of
COR who are nothing more than religious zealots and zionist racists
who insist on the burden of costs to be placed squarely on the
unknowing gentile whether they be Muslims, Catholics, Protestants,
Hindi, Buddhists or whatever.. 

Boycott COR! The zionist and religious zealot's objections are so
strenuous that I suspect the costs are high indeed. "The more you
squeeze the louder the pig squeals". The rabbis are feeding at the
trough at the expense of the Canadian consumer and it is no wonder
that some of their followers become rabid in defending the kosher
certification. If the tax did not exist then they would have to pay
for it themselves!  What a calamity!!! Orthodox Jews having to pay for
their own religious practices! That is just not the way to go! In
addition, they complain about being stereotyped. I wonder why? 

Boycott COR! The defrauding of the Canadian public and excuses offered
by the zionist racists and religious freaks are transparent. Millions
of Canadians and Americans are completely unaware of COR, Council of
Orthodox Rabbi, certification of foods that are massed produced. An
extremely small orthodox religious minority has literally hijacked the
food industry and has managed to place a religious stamp of approval
in an area where only nutrition and composition of foods is important.

Boycott COR! It is disgusting! The defenders of COR claim that this
process costs the consumer very little and this insults the
intelligence of Canadians everywhere. The costs should not be born by
anyone who does not eat kosher foods. 

Boycott COR! Denial of the obvious is not going to work this time. It
is time to stop purchasing COR certified products immediately. Let the
Orthodox Jews pay for their own food. We are all free to practice our
religions. They have a right to practice theirs wherever they like.
But certainly, they should not practice it on the backs of the
Canadian consumer!  No one should be "free" to have others pay for
religious practices - yet COR exists today.   Boycott COR!  

tyler



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BOYCOTT THE COR- Religious Tax on Our Homegrown Canadian Food!

Boycott COR! Many Canadian and American food products are certified by
the Council of Orthodox Rabbis. Look at the label of Heinz ketchup or
Windsor Salt. You will see COR followed by a couple of numbers. This
means that the Rabbis have an inspection system for these products
that YOU the consumer are paying for. The food inspection occurs from
the source through transport right to the finished product.  We are
talking pots and pans, food process, everything. It has nothing to do
with nutrition and everything to do with religious practices!  The
Rabbi Council takes a cut of the profits from every part of the food
chain right to the shelves on the grocery store. YOU pay the costs! 

Boycott COR! The unknowing Canadian population is paying for COR and
it has nothing to do with the quality of the food or its nutrition.
Kosher certification is a religious practice on how to prepare foods
and what foods not to include. The overwhelming majority of Canadians
does not follow the Jewish Orthodox religion and do not care about
kosher certification. If they did, there would be no pork chops in the
meat market. When I go to any supermarket, I see quite a lot of pork
products. The majority of food products, for now, also do not have the
COR certification. Proof enough that we do not care to pay for it!

Boycott COR! COR is a religion-imposed tax, which has nothing to do
with nutrition or Canadian law. It is also a secret tax as no one has
informed the general population. Did you know about it? How long have
YOU been buying COR approved products and paying for a religious
practice that you do not participate in? Please stop purchasing any
product with the COR abbreviation. 

Boycott COR! The practicing Jews and zionists who insist that kosher
certification costs nothing are liars who are simply denying the
obvious. They will attack anyone who complains about COR and
immediately label him or her as anti-semites. Calmly inform them that
this has nothing to do with race but everything to do with consumer
rights. Consumers have the right to be informed about COR and what it
costs them. Why is it so secret? WHAT IS THE COST???

Boycott COR! Any certification costs money.  Your driver's license
costs money. Food inspectors cost money. Car inspection costs money.
So does food inspection. It is obvious that the COR process costs
money. Only an ignorant child would not realize this. Yet the
religious zealots that defend the secret religious tax on food think
their arguments will be believed.  They say the costs are negligible.
On a million jars of ketchup? I do not think so and neither should
you. The costs are significant. It is like taking a penny out of
everyone's bank account in Canada every day. I would like that, no
wonder the Orthodox Rabbis like that too! 

Boycott COR! So far I have only been exposed to certain defenders of
COR who are nothing more than religious zealots and zionist racists
who insist on the burden of costs to be placed squarely on the
unknowing gentile whether they be Muslims, Catholics, Protestants,
Hindi, Buddhists or whatever.. 

Boycott COR! The zionist and religious zealot's objections are so
strenuous that I suspect the costs are high indeed. "The more you
squeeze the louder the pig squeals". The rabbis are feeding at the
trough at the expense of the Canadian consumer and it is no wonder
that some of their followers become rabid in defending the kosher
certification. If the tax did not exist then they would have to pay
for it themselves!  What a calamity!!! Orthodox Jews having to pay for
their own religious practices! That is just not the way to go! In
addition, they complain about being stereotyped. I wonder why? 

Boycott COR! The defrauding of the Canadian public and excuses offered
by the zionist racists and religious freaks are transparent. Millions
of Canadians and Americans are completely unaware of COR, Council of
Orthodox Rabbi, certification of foods that are massed produced. An
extremely small orthodox religious minority has literally hijacked the
food industry and has managed to place a religious stamp of approval
in an area where only nutrition and composition of foods is important.

Boycott COR! It is disgusting! The defenders of COR claim that this
process costs the consumer very little and this insults the
intelligence of Canadians everywhere. The costs should not be born by
anyone who does not eat kosher foods. 

Boycott COR! Denial of the obvious is not going to work this time. It
is time to stop purchasing COR certified products immediately. Let the
Orthodox Jews pay for their own food. We are all free to practice our
religions. They have a right to practice theirs wherever they like.
But certainly, they should not practice it on the backs of the
Canadian consumer!  No one should be "free" to have others pay for
religious practices - yet COR exists today.   Boycott COR!  

tyler



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On 5 Jan 2002 20:14:34 -0800, yitzgood@lycos.com (Yitzchak Goodman)
wrote:

>It isn't true that every ingredeint in a kosher product needs
>supervision. In the example you are discussing, 
>the certification agencies usually don't require salt 
>and pure spices without additives to be certified.
>Fresh tomatoes don't need certification.
>In many products, the bulk of the raw material doesn't
>need supervision; products which are mostly flour
>provide an obvious example. The ingredients are often 
>certified anyway, but it is very inexpensive and easy 
>to certify them.
>
And even less expensive when you get the gentile so pay for the
certification!

AND< ketchup  IS certified and so IS Canadian salt. Obviously this
contradicts what you say. Where are you from Yitz?


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On Sun, 06 Jan 2002 02:12:44 -0500, Steven Mock 
wrote:

>Waldo wrote:
>
>> "Steven Mock"  wrote in message
>> news:3C36AABE.3DF2490B@nizkor.org...

>My point exactly.  Jew hatred doesn't prove anything.  And thus far, the
>fact that you hate Jews is the only argument you've come up with in
>support of your claim that kosher certification is a scam.
>

That's fucking classic. If anything 'Mr'. Mock it is your  comments
and those of your supporters steeped in lies, deceit, denials and
accusations that turn more people against Jews than anything else. You
are extremely paranoid and illogical and I suspect you or your family
are originally from Russia. 

Keep on screaming that everyone hates you and everyone will.

tyler


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On Sat, 05 Jan 2002 06:25:28 GMT, al51@nospam.cornell.edu (Adam
Littman) wrote:

>In article , His Divine Shadow  wrote:
>>His Merciful Shadow Fell Upon tyler on 1/4/02 18:07:
>>
>>> On Fri, 4 Jan 2002 21:53:30 +0000 (UTC), kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org
>>> (Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:
>>> 
>>>> In article ,
>>>> tyler   wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 04 Jan 2002 09:45:55 GMT, al51@nospam.cornell.edu (Adam
>>>>> Littman) wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> In article , tyler
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:49:22 +0000 (UTC), kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org
>>>>>>> (Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:
>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> It is my intention to clearly inform Canadians that they are paying
>>>>> for COR. Zionists and practicing Jews have accused me of anti-Semitism
>>>>> just because I consider this to be unfair.  Their accusations have
>>>>> shown them to be the racists that the United Nations has confirmed
>>>>> them to be.
>>>> 
>>>> I accuse you of antisemitism because you stereotype Jews in order to
>>>> denegrate them. 
>>> 
>>> Well of course that's your opinion because that is the only way you
>>> can argue against anyone who objects to a religious tax on food.
>>
>>
>>You're a moron, tyler. There is no religious tax. Your incipient racism is
>>blinding you, but you knew that, didn't you? Never let the facts get in the
>>way of a useful lie, eh simpelton?
>
>Nothing "incipient" about it. The guy is a full-blown, no holds barred, 
>Jew-hating moron. No question.


Keep on screaming that everyone hates you and everyone will.

tyler


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On Sat, 05 Jan 2002 06:23:55 GMT, al51@nospam.cornell.edu (Adam
Littman) wrote:

>In article , tyler  wrote:
>>On Fri, 4 Jan 2002 21:53:30 +0000 (UTC), kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org
>>(Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:
>>
>>>In article ,
>>>tyler   wrote:
>>>>On Fri, 04 Jan 2002 09:45:55 GMT, al51@nospam.cornell.edu (Adam
>>>>Littman) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In article , tyler
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>On Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:49:22 +0000 (UTC), kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org
>>>>>>(Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:
>>>
>>
>>>>It is my intention to clearly inform Canadians that they are paying
>>>>for COR. Zionists and practicing Jews have accused me of anti-Semitism
>>>>just because I consider this to be unfair.  Their accusations have
>>>>shown them to be the racists that the United Nations has confirmed
>>>>them to be.
>>>
>>>I accuse you of antisemitism because you stereotype Jews in order to
>>>denegrate them. 
>>
>>Well of course that's your opinion because that is the only way you
>>can argue against anyone who objects to a religious tax on food. You
>>are a professed zionist Mr. McVay. The United Nations has declared
>>zionism to be the same racism.  Therefor according to the UN  you are
>>a  racist. According to your posts and responses to me I accuse you of
>>being a racist.
>>
>>None of this changes the fact that the COR tax is unfair and
>>unjustified for the majority of Canadians. Only a racist would say
>>that it is. And that is your position only  because it is your ethnic
>>group or zionist membership  that defends the imposition of the tax.
>>You are clearly the racist here.
>
>Wow. This guy is a consistent moron. He keeps thinking that an endorsement 
>that is entirely voluntary is a "tax".
>
>*plonk*

Are you dunking for shit again littman? It sounds like it. Better make
sure it comes from a rabbi's ass to be sure it's certified.



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On Sun, 06 Jan 2002 09:19:06 GMT, Patrick Gallagher
 wrote:

>tyler wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 05 Jan 2002 06:25:28 GMT, al51@nospam.cornell.edu (Adam
>> Littman) wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>>In article , His Divine Shadow  wrote:
>>>
>>>>His Merciful Shadow Fell Upon tyler on 1/4/02 18:07:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>On Fri, 4 Jan 2002 21:53:30 +0000 (UTC), kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org
>>>>>(Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>In article ,
>>>>>>tyler   wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Fri, 04 Jan 2002 09:45:55 GMT, al51@nospam.cornell.edu (Adam
>>>>>>>Littman) wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>In article , tyler
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:49:22 +0000 (UTC), kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org
>>>>>>>>>(Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>It is my intention to clearly inform Canadians that they are paying
>>>>>>>for COR. Zionists and practicing Jews have accused me of anti-Semitism
>>>>>>>just because I consider this to be unfair.  Their accusations have
>>>>>>>shown them to be the racists that the United Nations has confirmed
>>>>>>>them to be.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>I accuse you of antisemitism because you stereotype Jews in order to
>>>>>>denegrate them. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>Well of course that's your opinion because that is the only way you
>>>>>can argue against anyone who objects to a religious tax on food.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>You're a moron, tyler. There is no religious tax. Your incipient racism is
>>>>blinding you, but you knew that, didn't you? Never let the facts get in the
>>>>way of a useful lie, eh simpelton?
>>>>
>>>Nothing "incipient" about it. The guy is a full-blown, no holds barred, 
>>>Jew-hating moron. No question.
>>>
>> 
>> 
>> Keep on screaming that everyone hates you and everyone will.
>> 
>> tyler
>> 
>
>   You are so full of shit - they're calling you on your complete and 
>utter bullshit, and you're turning it into a religious debate. 

Yes dear.

The only 
>evidence of any wrongdoing you've managed to produce is from Nazi, 
>Neo-Nazi, and Racist propaganda sites, and as compelling as their 
>arguments may be, they're still propaganda, composed of half truths and 
>falsehoods that sound close enough to the truth that someone without the 
>intelligence or wisdom to actually investigate what they're saying 
>through unbiased sources might actually fall for what they have to say. 
>You strike me as a somewhat intelligent human being, but if you've 
>fallen for any of the crap that all those zealots are trying to push 
>onto society, you've got a weaker mind than most.
>

The crap from zionists is even worse. Why don't you include their
sites?


>   The only problem in our society (or rather, the biggest problem) is 
>that people don't realize that they're the same - are you Christian?  

Really? Why don't people who insist on kosher certification consider
themselves to be the same? You are spouting a truly idiotic 'lets feel
good about ourselves' 60's philosophy that only works with LSD in a
society that uses the work of the 3rd world to finance its excesses. .

If 
>so, your religion is BASED UPON the Jewish religion - the edicts that 
>define the requirements of Kosher are in your bible too. It's not some 
>whacked out Jewish manifesto, it's the Old Testament, a Whacked out 
>Jewish, Christian, Jehovah's Witness, etc. Manifesto. What people are 
>failing to realize is that there is only one race on this planet - 
>human. Anyone who commits any sort of act against anyone for any reason 
>is committing a crime against the one race - humans. Sure, there are 
>differences between different regional varieties of human, but they're 
>superficial. There are different religious beliefs, but they're pretty 
>much all the same once you get to the core of those religions.
>
>   How was the last paragraph relevant to your "Kosher Tax" bullshit? 
>It's the reason behind the invention of this kosher tax by arrogent, 
>moronic groups of people that fear things that are different so much 
>that they can't see it's really not different. They take ever 
>opportunity to make it appear different, and try to suck in as many weak 
>minded fools as they can, in order to spread their bullshit further - 
>and you have been wholly sucked in - congratulations, you're doing the 
>work of lesser people trying to undo all the progress we've made towards 
>a well adjusted, integrated society. You're helping propagate lies and 
>untruths. You're helping them turn back the page, increase violence in 

Not at all. The COR is not an untruth it is a reality. Look at your
food labels and get pack to me on that will you sport?

>our world, and build up racial and religious mistrust. You're helping 
>them take a somewhat safe world, and turn it into a violent, evil, 
>uncomfortable place to live. It's bad enough already without this crap 
>in it.

Ask the Palestinians about their view. Is the word evil and violent in
reality? You are comfotable in yours, just make sure you thank the
hundreds of gulags in China filled with Chinese political prisoners
that make your cheap products for you. Don't forget to thank the
thousands of Indian children that are deformed and die young while
making products for you. I can continue but why bother? You have no
idea of what the world really is and like to like in a cushy cocoon of
indifference.
>
>Let it go

It should be let go by the instigators. The COR tax must go.

>
>Patrick

tyler


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On Sun, 06 Jan 2002 17:01:30 GMT, Patrick Gallagher
 wrote:

>Much like the garbage that's spewed on those website promoting hatred, 
>he's good at twisting words to make them sound like they have meaning 
>even when they're complete bullshit... it requires at least some 
>creativity and intelligence to manage that... unfortunately, that 
>intelligence and creativity is completely wasted on a zealot like him...
>
>Patrick
>

Nice to masturbate with a friend eh patrick?  


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On Sun, 06 Jan 2002 09:11:14 -0500, Patricia Heil 
wrote:

>What garbage.

Yes dear. Don't forget to always sit with the women in the back of the
synagogue where you belong.

>
>tyler wrote:
>> 
>> BOYCOTT THE COR- Religious Tax on Our Homegrown Canadian Food!
>> 
>> Boycott COR! Many Canadian and American food products are certified by
>> the Council of Orthodox Rabbis. Look at the label of Heinz ketchup or
>> Windsor Salt. You will see COR followed by a couple of numbers. This
>> means that the Rabbis have an inspection system for these products
>> that YOU the consumer are paying for. The food inspection occurs from
>> the source through transport right to the finished product.  We are
>> talking pots and pans, food process, everything. It has nothing to do
>> with nutrition and everything to do with religious practices!  The
>> Rabbi Council takes a cut of the profits from every part of the food
>> chain right to the shelves on the grocery store. YOU pay the costs!
>> 
>> Boycott COR! The unknowing Canadian population is paying for COR and
>> it has nothing to do with the quality of the food or its nutrition.
>> Kosher certification is a religious practice on how to prepare foods
>> and what foods not to include. The overwhelming majority of Canadians
>> does not follow the Jewish Orthodox religion and do not care about
>> kosher certification. If they did, there would be no pork chops in the
>> meat market. When I go to any supermarket, I see quite a lot of pork
>> products. The majority of food products, for now, also do not have the
>> COR certification. Proof enough that we do not care to pay for it!
>> 
>> Boycott COR! COR is a religion-imposed tax, which has nothing to do
>> with nutrition or Canadian law. It is also a secret tax as no one has
>> informed the general population. Did you know about it? How long have
>> YOU been buying COR approved products and paying for a religious
>> practice that you do not participate in? Please stop purchasing any
>> product with the COR abbreviation.
>> 
>> Boycott COR! The practicing Jews and zionists who insist that kosher
>> certification costs nothing are liars who are simply denying the
>> obvious. They will attack anyone who complains about COR and
>> immediately label him or her as anti-semites. Calmly inform them that
>> this has nothing to do with race but everything to do with consumer
>> rights. Consumers have the right to be informed about COR and what it
>> costs them. Why is it so secret? WHAT IS THE COST???
>> 
>> Boycott COR! Any certification costs money.  Your driver's license
>> costs money. Food inspectors cost money. Car inspection costs money.
>> So does food inspection. It is obvious that the COR process costs
>> money. Only an ignorant child would not realize this. Yet the
>> religious zealots that defend the secret religious tax on food think
>> their arguments will be believed.  They say the costs are negligible.
>> On a million jars of ketchup? I do not think so and neither should
>> you. The costs are significant. It is like taking a penny out of
>> everyone's bank account in Canada every day. I would like that, no
>> wonder the Orthodox Rabbis like that too!
>> 
>> Boycott COR! So far I have only been exposed to certain defenders of
>> COR who are nothing more than religious zealots and zionist racists
>> who insist on the burden of costs to be placed squarely on the
>> unknowing gentile whether they be Muslims, Catholics, Protestants,
>> Hindi, Buddhists or whatever..
>> 
>> Boycott COR! The zionist and religious zealot's objections are so
>> strenuous that I suspect the costs are high indeed. "The more you
>> squeeze the louder the pig squeals". The rabbis are feeding at the
>> trough at the expense of the Canadian consumer and it is no wonder
>> that some of their followers become rabid in defending the kosher
>> certification. If the tax did not exist then they would have to pay
>> for it themselves!  What a calamity!!! Orthodox Jews having to pay for
>> their own religious practices! That is just not the way to go! In
>> addition, they complain about being stereotyped. I wonder why?
>> 
>> Boycott COR! The defrauding of the Canadian public and excuses offered
>> by the zionist racists and religious freaks are transparent. Millions
>> of Canadians and Americans are completely unaware of COR, Council of
>> Orthodox Rabbi, certification of foods that are massed produced. An
>> extremely small orthodox religious minority has literally hijacked the
>> food industry and has managed to place a religious stamp of approval
>> in an area where only nutrition and composition of foods is important.
>> 
>> Boycott COR! It is disgusting! The defenders of COR claim that this
>> process costs the consumer very little and this insults the
>> intelligence of Canadians everywhere. The costs should not be born by
>> anyone who does not eat kosher foods.
>> 
>> Boycott COR! Denial of the obvious is not going to work this time. It
>> is time to stop purchasing COR certified products immediately. Let the
>> Orthodox Jews pay for their own food. We are all free to practice our
>> religions. They have a right to practice theirs wherever they like.
>> But certainly, they should not practice it on the backs of the
>> Canadian consumer!  No one should be "free" to have others pay for
>> religious practices - yet COR exists today.   Boycott COR!
>> 
>> tyler



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The following links show how Simon Wiesenthal  regularly distorts
evidence used in his publications on anti-semitism and the holocaust.
No one denies the holocaust happened yet Wiesenthal continues to
spread lies and misinformation in order to distorts certain aspects.
He discredits the memory of the many nations who lost their citizens
to the death camps.

 Many pictures have been doctored by Wiesnthal and his followers and
reproduced in several different volumes spanning decades. 

The doctored pictures and proof of Wiesnthal's lies can be most
clearly viewed at:

http://www.ukar.org/greenb03.shtml

The above link shows how Wiesenthal copied a picture from a 1981 text
and included in his 1997 text. He pencilled in smoke and claimed it
came from an oven. He did not give the source of the picture. Clearly
the original had no smoke. 

Pictures from various publications on articles about concentration
camps are also shown in their original and doctored formats. It is
clear that Wiesnthal has no credibility and  many publications are
suspect because of his activity. That's too bad. A critical reader
cannot help but wonder what other documents Wiesnthal and zionists in
general have doctored.

Because of these poor attempts at doctoring pictures and lies that
describe them all printed material is now suspect.

tyler


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On Sun, 06 Jan 2002 06:34:29 GMT, al51@nospam.cornell.edu (Adam
Littman) wrote:
>
> I have personally 
>seen a Lubavitcha Rabbi drink from a glass of wine that a gentile who he had 
>invited over for Shabbas dinner had touched.

Wow! Imagine that!  A Rabbi actually DRANK from a glass that a gentile
had touched!

So then, would that be included in the definintion of racism? 

It used to be if a black man touched a glass a white man would not
drink from it. That was called racism.  By your own admission the
Rabbi did something extraordinary. The orthodox also like to consider
jews as a separate race.

Hmmm, just who is the racist here?

tyler

ps Why do you cross post to the can.taxes? Is there an audience there
that follows your religion? 


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On 6 Jan 2002 21:35:34 GMT, bo774@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Kelly Bert
Manning) wrote:
STUFF CUT OUT
>
>Most religions have a practicial aspect, particularly in bygone ages
>when ignorance was more common than understanding. Religious dietary 
>laws often have some beneficial effect. Eg. making cows sacred protected 
>the milk supply and allowed people to obtain more food in another way. 
>Pork is a very dangerous food if proper sanitation and animal husbandry 
>methods are not used. Having said that, religions seem to get it wrong
>at least as often as they get it right. The fact that they had some
>benefit in the past is no excuse for hanging on to superstition as a
>basis for personal actions. The few hits don't make the religion true,
>it simply shows that religion has been useful as a way of manipulating the
>behaviour of believers, for good or for bad.
>

Interesting that last year Jews were allowed to eat Ham after 6,000
years. So what does that say about kosher certification? Steeped in
ignorance? No not at all. Kosher certification is a way of keeping an
identity and a feeling of separateness.

tyler


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On Sun, 06 Jan 2002 16:35:48 -0500, Steven Mock 
wrote:

>An expanded market increases a company's profits.  Therefore, the
>decision to kosher-certify a product is, an always is, a business
>decision, which in a free market economy companies should be free to
>make.
>
>Gee... I hope that wasn't too "rabid" for you.
>
>Steven Mock
>
No it was humerous. As Canadians do not know what COR stands for the
business decision is NOT.  I can ask anyone in the streets what COR
stands for and they do not know. 

So much for your business theory.

tyler

>
>tyler wrote:
>
>> BOYCOTT THE COR- Religious Tax on Our Homegrown Canadian Food!
>> 
>> Boycott COR! Many Canadian and American food products are certified by
>> the Council of Orthodox Rabbis. Look at the label of Heinz ketchup or
>> Windsor Salt. You will see COR followed by a couple of numbers. This
>> means that the Rabbis have an inspection system for these products
>> that YOU the consumer are paying for. The food inspection occurs from
>> the source through transport right to the finished product.  We are
>> talking pots and pans, food process, everything. It has nothing to do
>> with nutrition and everything to do with religious practices!  The
>> Rabbi Council takes a cut of the profits from every part of the food
>> chain right to the shelves on the grocery store. YOU pay the costs!
>> 
>> Boycott COR! The unknowing Canadian population is paying for COR and
>> it has nothing to do with the quality of the food or its nutrition.
>> Kosher certification is a religious practice on how to prepare foods
>> and what foods not to include. The overwhelming majority of Canadians
>> does not follow the Jewish Orthodox religion and do not care about
>> kosher certification. If they did, there would be no pork chops in the
>> meat market. When I go to any supermarket, I see quite a lot of pork
>> products. The majority of food products, for now, also do not have the
>> COR certification. Proof enough that we do not care to pay for it!
>> 
>> Boycott COR! COR is a religion-imposed tax, which has nothing to do
>> with nutrition or Canadian law. It is also a secret tax as no one has
>> informed the general population. Did you know about it? How long have
>> YOU been buying COR approved products and paying for a religious
>> practice that you do not participate in? Please stop purchasing any
>> product with the COR abbreviation.
>> 
>> Boycott COR! The practicing Jews and zionists who insist that kosher
>> certification costs nothing are liars who are simply denying the
>> obvious. They will attack anyone who complains about COR and
>> immediately label him or her as anti-semites. Calmly inform them that
>> this has nothing to do with race but everything to do with consumer
>> rights. Consumers have the right to be informed about COR and what it
>> costs them. Why is it so secret? WHAT IS THE COST???
>> 
>> Boycott COR! Any certification costs money.  Your driver's license
>> costs money. Food inspectors cost money. Car inspection costs money.
>> So does food inspection. It is obvious that the COR process costs
>> money. Only an ignorant child would not realize this. Yet the
>> religious zealots that defend the secret religious tax on food think
>> their arguments will be believed.  They say the costs are negligible.
>> On a million jars of ketchup? I do not think so and neither should
>> you. The costs are significant. It is like taking a penny out of
>> everyone's bank account in Canada every day. I would like that, no
>> wonder the Orthodox Rabbis like that too!
>> 
>> Boycott COR! So far I have only been exposed to certain defenders of
>> COR who are nothing more than religious zealots and zionist racists
>> who insist on the burden of costs to be placed squarely on the
>> unknowing gentile whether they be Muslims, Catholics, Protestants,
>> Hindi, Buddhists or whatever..
>> 
>> Boycott COR! The zionist and religious zealot's objections are so
>> strenuous that I suspect the costs are high indeed. "The more you
>> squeeze the louder the pig squeals". The rabbis are feeding at the
>> trough at the expense of the Canadian consumer and it is no wonder
>> that some of their followers become rabid in defending the kosher
>> certification. If the tax did not exist then they would have to pay
>> for it themselves!  What a calamity!!! Orthodox Jews having to pay for
>> their own religious practices! That is just not the way to go! In
>> addition, they complain about being stereotyped. I wonder why?
>> 
>> Boycott COR! The defrauding of the Canadian public and excuses offered
>> by the zionist racists and religious freaks are transparent. Millions
>> of Canadians and Americans are completely unaware of COR, Council of
>> Orthodox Rabbi, certification of foods that are massed produced. An
>> extremely small orthodox religious minority has literally hijacked the
>> food industry and has managed to place a religious stamp of approval
>> in an area where only nutrition and composition of foods is important.
>> 
>> Boycott COR! It is disgusting! The defenders of COR claim that this
>> process costs the consumer very little and this insults the
>> intelligence of Canadians everywhere. The costs should not be born by
>> anyone who does not eat kosher foods.
>> 
>> Boycott COR! Denial of the obvious is not going to work this time. It
>> is time to stop purchasing COR certified products immediately. Let the
>> Orthodox Jews pay for their own food. We are all free to practice our
>> religions. They have a right to practice theirs wherever they like.
>> But certainly, they should not practice it on the backs of the
>> Canadian consumer!  No one should be "free" to have others pay for
>> religious practices - yet COR exists today.   Boycott COR!
>> 
>> tyler



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On 6 Jan 2002 14:46:05 -0800, yitzgood@lycos.com (Yitzchak Goodman)
wrote:

>"Kenneth McVay, OBC" wrote:
>> 
>> In article ,
>>   wrote:
>> >In calgary.general Kenneth McVay, OBC  wrote:
>> >
>> >> Actually, it is not. I've poured wine for Jewish friends, who laugh
>> >> every time some bigot trots this one out.
>> >
>> >Is this a case of a prohibition that is completely fictitious, or is this an
>> >existing one that isn't practiced?
>> 
>> I am uncertain - it may be an existing law that is not practiced,
>> according to others who have commented on this one.
>
>It is the reason that Jews need to be involved in
>the production of kosher wine and grape juice. 
>However, the law does not apply once the wine is 
>"mevushal"--boiled. Since almost all kosher
>wine available is mevushal, anyone can pour for 
>anyone else.
>
>Yitz

You boil your wine??? How primitive. Who would even want to have it
poured for them? I  strongly advise that  you stop doing that. After
all you can as of last year eat Ham after a mere 6000 years why not
appreciate wine?. 

tyler



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On Sun, 06 Jan 2002 22:06:59 GMT, His Divine Shadow
 wrote:

>His Merciful Shadow Fell Upon tyler on 1/6/02 01:57:
> 
>>>>> Well of course that's your opinion because that is the only way you
>>>>> can argue against anyone who objects to a religious tax on food.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> You're a moron, tyler. There is no religious tax. Your incipient racism is
>>>> blinding you, but you knew that, didn't you? Never let the facts get in the
>>>> way of a useful lie, eh simpelton?
>>> 
>>> Nothing "incipient" about it. The guy is a full-blown, no holds barred,
>>> Jew-hating moron. No question.
>> 
>> 
>> Keep on screaming that everyone hates you and everyone will.
>
>You make it so easy to hate you, bigot. You knowingly spread a racist lie
>and are incapable of realizing you've been duped, or perhaps DO realise it
>and need the attention.
>
>Goodbye, dimbulb.

You are indeed correct. The COR tax is a religious and racist lie
imposed on unsuspecting consumers.  It is a lie that it increases
profit. It is a lie that it is needed. It is a lie that people know
about it. It is a lie that people support it. I am spreading the word
about its existence. Forgive me but someone has to inform the duped.

Bye.

tyler


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You asked for it! Proof that COR religous tax on food costs consumers

It has been said by zionists and orthodox that the COR tax on Canadian
food does not cost the consumer. Of course this is ridiculous and the
proof is easily found.

COR stands for Council of Orthodox Jews. They certify foods as kosher.
Foods such as Heinz Ketchup and Windsor Salt, and non foods such as
aluminum foil and bleach, have COR certification. Look at the label,
if you see COR followed by a number then the manufacturer pays rabbis
to inspect food, facilities and preparation methods. If they conform
to religious law then the product is certified as kosher. 



The following has been snipped from:

http://www.kosherquest.org/html/Reliable_Kosher_Symbols.htm

Pay attention to the fact that kosher certification, in other words
rabbinical organizations, can derive profit. COR certification costs
are passed along to the consumer by the manufacturer and a religious
organization is profitting. Canadian consumers must boyocott any COR
certified food product to stop a religion from hijiacking Canadian
food production and unfairly profiting from the sale of food items.

The website explains:

Once contact with a certifying agency is made, the detective work
begins. The manufacturer must supply a complete, detailed list of
every ingredient in the product, including preservatives, release
agents, stabilizers or other inert ingredients. In addition, every
step in the manufacturing process, every cleansing agent used on the
equipment and all other products produced on the same premises require
close investigation and supervision. 

The certifying agency must track down each ingredient to its ultimate
source. If, for instance, the ingredient is meat or a meat by-product,
the item cannot be kosher unless the meat source itself is strictly
kosher. Wine and wine by-products, cheese, and some dairy by-products
(such as whey) present the same problem. Any oil used in the
manufacture of foodstuffs has to be traced back to the oil processor.
The supervising agency must conduct a complete and intense
investigation into the origin of all the ingredients.

The results of all these investigations are forwarded to the rabbinic
authority (or board) of the supervising agency. If changes in
ingredients or processes are required, the manufacturer must make the
changes before the agency will do further work. Once all is
acceptable, the rabbinic authority will determine the amount of
on-plant supervision necessary. This information is written into a
contract and then sent to the manufacturer. 


The cost of certification to the manufacturer is minimal. For
non-profit agencies, cost depends on the amount of on-site work.
Agencies making a profit might have a minimum annual charge and fees
depending on the gross annual sales of the product. 

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

The cost is minimial to the manufacturer because they are passed on to
the consumer. The consumer pays 100% of the costs, no wonder they say
that! 

...and whoever heard of a rabbinical agency not making money. They
likely all have a minimum annual charge and fees based on the gross
annual sales of the product.

The website claims that certification increases sales. Ask your
friends and neighbours if they  know what COR means. Unless they are
Jewish, they won't have any idea. So much for sales being increased
because something is certified.

tyler
the consumer watchdog!!! 


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You have nothing to say to  anyone McVay. You are already a self
acknowledged zionist and racist and a Catholic hater since you blame
Hitler on Catholicism.

tyler


On Mon, 7 Jan 2002 00:07:34 +0000 (UTC), kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org
(Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:

>In article ,
>tyler   wrote:
>>On Sun, 06 Jan 2002 16:35:48 -0500, Steven Mock 
>>wrote:
>>
>>>An expanded market increases a company's profits.  Therefore, the
>>>decision to kosher-certify a product is, an always is, a business
>>>decision, which in a free market economy companies should be free to
>>>make.
>>>
>>>Gee... I hope that wasn't too "rabid" for you.
>>>
>>>Steven Mock
>>>
>>No it was humerous. As Canadians do not know what COR stands for the
>>business decision is NOT.  I can ask anyone in the streets what COR
>>stands for and they do not know. 
>>
>>So much for your business theory.
>
>The business decision Mr. Mock refers to is that made by a food
>manufacturer to seek kosher certification. Mr. Mock correctly points
>out that it is a decision the manufacturer in a free market economy
>should be free to make.
>
>The consumer is free to make his or her own decision, and not buy
>kosher-certified products, but that has nothing to do with what Mr.
>Mock offered, or your inability to comprehend it.



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It is 3 letters followed by numbers. The letters are COR which stand
for Council of Orthodox Rabbis. Windsor Salt, Heinz Ketchup, Sifto
Salt and more have COR on them. 

More seals can be viewed at

http://www.kosherquest.org/html/Reliable_Kosher_Symbols.htm

Why does a rabbi have stinking fingers?

tyler

On Sun, 6 Jan 2002 20:21:56 -0800, "Kurt Knoll"
 wrote:

>What does the seal look like. I won't by anything with a seal if a rabbi had
>his stinking finger in it.
>
>Kurt Knoll.
>=========
>"Kenneth McVay, OBC"  wrote in message
>news:a1aos6$rlf$1@news.tht.net...
>> In article ,
>> tyler   wrote:
>> >On Sun, 06 Jan 2002 16:35:48 -0500, Steven Mock 
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >>An expanded market increases a company's profits.  Therefore, the
>> >>decision to kosher-certify a product is, an always is, a business
>> >>decision, which in a free market economy companies should be free to
>> >>make.
>> >>
>> >>Gee... I hope that wasn't too "rabid" for you.
>> >>
>> >>Steven Mock
>> >>
>> >No it was humerous. As Canadians do not know what COR stands for the
>> >business decision is NOT.  I can ask anyone in the streets what COR
>> >stands for and they do not know.
>> >
>> >So much for your business theory.
>>
>> The business decision Mr. Mock refers to is that made by a food
>> manufacturer to seek kosher certification. Mr. Mock correctly points
>> out that it is a decision the manufacturer in a free market economy
>> should be free to make.
>>
>> The consumer is free to make his or her own decision, and not buy
>> kosher-certified products, but that has nothing to do with what Mr.
>> Mock offered, or your inability to comprehend it.
>>
>> --
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>>     and America's Most Powerful Corporation, by Edwin Black
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On Mon, 07 Jan 2002 04:24:56 GMT, tarpon27@yahoo.com wrote:

>On Sun, 06 Jan 2002 04:28:42 GMT, tyler 
>wrote:
>
>>BOYCOTT THE COR- Religious Tax on Our Homegrown Canadian Food!
>>
>>Boycott COR! Many Canadian and American food products are certified by
>>the Council of Orthodox Rabbis. Look at the label of Heinz ketchup or
>>Windsor Salt. You will see COR followed by a couple of numbers. This
>>means that the Rabbis have an inspection system for these products
>>that YOU the consumer are paying for. The food inspection occurs from
>>the source through transport right to the finished product.  We are
>>talking pots and pans, food process, everything. It has nothing to do
>>with nutrition and everything to do with religious practices!  The
>>Rabbi Council takes a cut of the profits from every part of the food
>>chain right to the shelves on the grocery store. YOU pay the costs! 
>>
>>Boycott COR! The unknowing Canadian population is paying for COR and
>>it has nothing to do with the quality of the food or its nutrition.
>>Kosher certification is a religious practice on how to prepare foods
>>and what foods not to include. The overwhelming majority of Canadians
>>does not follow the Jewish Orthodox religion and do not care about
>>kosher certification. If they did, there would be no pork chops in the
>>meat market. When I go to any supermarket, I see quite a lot of pork
>>products. The majority of food products, for now, also do not have the
>>COR certification. Proof enough that we do not care to pay for it!
>
>This is so absurd that it defies rational discussion. 
>
>Perhaps you can define for us the actual costs to a food
>processor/manufacturer to label their product as kosher, and what the
>costs are to the consumer.
>
>As an example, the New York _Times_ (5/18/75) article quotes General
>Foods Birds Eye division as calculating that the labeling is
>$0.0000065 per unit produced...that is 6.5 millionths of a cent per
>item. For a $2.99 package of frozen Birds Eye vegetables, the label
>cost then would be $0.0000194 or 194 hundred thousandths of a cent.
>
>Knowing full well these sources will cause howls of anguished rage, a
>quick web search brings me to:
>
>http://www.adl.org/special_reports/kosher_tax/print.html
>
>http://www.nizkor.vex.net/ftp.cgi/orgs/american/adl/kosher-tax/recipe-for-hate
>
>Now, if you have cites that can flesh out for me what it costs me to
>purchase a product that is labeled as kosher, please do so. If not,
>then how am I supposed to believe your post, and that I am subsidizing
>food labeling that Jewish zealots pocket?
>
>It is your claim. Please provide the costs involved for consumers like
>myself.


http://www.kosherquest.org/html/Reliable_Kosher_Symbols.htm

this site claims that many make a profit on certification. Any profit
whatsoever on a religious tax is more than absurd. It is unethical.

As for actual costs, companies are silent and the rabbis don't talk
either. If there was no profit there would not be a tax. Quite simple.

and as any idiot, whoops I can't say that because of your comments,
knows, a fraction of a penny on the sale of millions and millions of
products can produce a nice sum at the end of the year. There are no
howls from me, I know how to add numbers.

So stop trying to pretend that you are a gentile. Be proud of your
religion or zionism. Why hide it with these absurd comments? "tarpon"

tyler





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On Mon, 07 Jan 2002 00:54:23 -0500, Steven Mock 
wrote:

>tyler wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 07 Jan 2002 04:24:56 GMT, tarpon27@yahoo.com wrote:
>> 
>> >It is your claim. Please provide the costs involved for consumers like
>> >myself.
>> 
>> http://www.kosherquest.org/html/Reliable_Kosher_Symbols.htm
>> 
>> this site claims that many make a profit on certification. Any profit
>> whatsoever on a religious tax is more than absurd. It is unethical.
>
>On the other hand, getting paid to provide a service that companies
>require to increase their market is neither unethical nor absurd. 
>Rather, its business.
>
>> As for actual costs, companies are silent and the rabbis don't talk
>> either. 
>
>In other words, you don't know.  And you ignorance is all the fault of
>those wascally Jooos.
>
>> If there was no profit there would not be a tax. Quite simple.
>
>Its not a tax.
>
>> and as any idiot, whoops I can't say that because of your comments,
>> knows, a fraction of a penny on the sale of millions and millions of
>> products can produce a nice sum at the end of the year. There are no
>> howls from me, I know how to add numbers.
>
>Then why haven't we seen any?
>
>I'll ask you the same question I've asked Waldo:
>
>Can you cite one instance in which kosher certification has driven up
>the price of a product?
>
>Can you cite one instance in which a company has aquired it for any
>reason other than profit, or under any false pretences?
>
>Steven Mock


Your questions are similar to the ones posted by holocaust deniars. I
guess you have learned something from them.
tyler


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On Mon, 07 Jan 2002 06:15:00 GMT, tarpon27@yahoo.com wrote:

>On Mon, 07 Jan 2002 05:00:40 GMT, tyler 
>wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 07 Jan 2002 04:24:56 GMT, tarpon27@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 06 Jan 2002 04:28:42 GMT, tyler 
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>BOYCOTT THE COR- Religious Tax on Our Homegrown Canadian Food!
>>>>
>>>>Boycott COR! Many Canadian and American food products are certified by
>>>>the Council of Orthodox Rabbis. Look at the label of Heinz ketchup or
>>>>Windsor Salt. You will see COR followed by a couple of numbers. This
>>>>means that the Rabbis have an inspection system for these products
>>>>that YOU the consumer are paying for. The food inspection occurs from
>>>>the source through transport right to the finished product.  We are
>>>>talking pots and pans, food process, everything. It has nothing to do
>>>>with nutrition and everything to do with religious practices!  The
>>>>Rabbi Council takes a cut of the profits from every part of the food
>>>>chain right to the shelves on the grocery store. YOU pay the costs! 
>>>>
>>>>Boycott COR! The unknowing Canadian population is paying for COR and
>>>>it has nothing to do with the quality of the food or its nutrition.
>>>>Kosher certification is a religious practice on how to prepare foods
>>>>and what foods not to include. The overwhelming majority of Canadians
>>>>does not follow the Jewish Orthodox religion and do not care about
>>>>kosher certification. If they did, there would be no pork chops in the
>>>>meat market. When I go to any supermarket, I see quite a lot of pork
>>>>products. The majority of food products, for now, also do not have the
>>>>COR certification. Proof enough that we do not care to pay for it!
>>>
>>>This is so absurd that it defies rational discussion. 
>>>
>>>Perhaps you can define for us the actual costs to a food
>>>processor/manufacturer to label their product as kosher, and what the
>>>costs are to the consumer.
>>>
>>>As an example, the New York _Times_ (5/18/75) article quotes General
>>>Foods Birds Eye division as calculating that the labeling is
>>>$0.0000065 per unit produced...that is 6.5 millionths of a cent per
>>>item. For a $2.99 package of frozen Birds Eye vegetables, the label
>>>cost then would be $0.0000194 or 194 hundred thousandths of a cent.
>>>
>>>Knowing full well these sources will cause howls of anguished rage, a
>>>quick web search brings me to:
>>>
>>>http://www.adl.org/special_reports/kosher_tax/print.html
>>>
>>>http://www.nizkor.vex.net/ftp.cgi/orgs/american/adl/kosher-tax/recipe-for-hate
>>>
>>>Now, if you have cites that can flesh out for me what it costs me to
>>>purchase a product that is labeled as kosher, please do so. If not,
>>>then how am I supposed to believe your post, and that I am subsidizing
>>>food labeling that Jewish zealots pocket?
>>>
>>>It is your claim. Please provide the costs involved for consumers like
>>>myself.
>>
>>
>>http://www.kosherquest.org/html/Reliable_Kosher_Symbols.htm
>
>From your cite:
>
>The cost of certification to the manufacturer is minimal. For
>non-profit agencies, cost depends on the amount of on-site work.
>Agencies making a profit might have a minimum annual charge and fees
>depending on the gross annual sales of the product. The individual
>supervisor (mashgiach) is typically paid for each visit he makes to
>the plant (He usually receives less per visit than an auto mechanic
>makes per hour). The mashgiach is paid by the certifying agency and
>not by the manufacturer. There is usually no increase in the price of
>the product due to its kosher certification, because the cost of
>certification is generally met by increased sales. The O/U reports
>that in over 45 years, fewer than 12 companies discontinued their
>certification programs because sales did not increase. Thus, kosher
>supervision benefits the manufacturer and the consumer, who can be
>confident that foods may be consumed without violating the kosher
>standards.
>
>
>>
>>this site claims that many make a profit on certification. Any profit
>>whatsoever on a religious tax is more than absurd. It is unethical.
>
>A religious "tax"? When do private companies deciding in their own
>interest to register their products as kosher have the ability to
>"tax"?
>
>>
>>As for actual costs, companies are silent and the rabbis don't talk
>>either. If there was no profit there would not be a tax. Quite simple.
>
>There isn't a tax because the private sector cannot tax. Have you
>asked any companies, or do you dispute the quoted URL?
>>
>>and as any idiot, whoops I can't say that because of your comments,
>
>Golly, how *clever*. Please enumerate how General Foods *taxes*
>consumers.
>
>>knows, a fraction of a penny on the sale of millions and millions of
>>products can produce a nice sum at the end of the year. There are no
>>howls from me, I know how to add numbers.
>
>Good...use the Bird's Eye example above, and show me your skill in
>adding.
>
>Bird's Eye is now part of Agrilink Foods which had sales of
>$249,000,000 for the quarter ending September of 2001. Bird's Eye is
>just *one* of their labels (lines), but let's use the figures as if
>the complete $249 million was ALL Birds Eye.
>
>That makes it a roughly $1 billion dollar a year company.
>
>The figure above, says that while Birds Eye was part of General Foods,
>they calculated it cost $0.0000065 per UNIT produced. I'll not only
>give you $1 billion in sales, I'll say every "unit" is equal to one
>dollar.
>
>You with me here, Tyler?
>
>On sales of $1,000,000,000 it amounts to $65,000.
>
>Sixty-five grand, Mr. I Know How To Add Numbers. 
>
>So, what does that cost you and I? Well, let's give you even a LARGER
>benefit of the doubt.
>
>Say a million consumers bought ALL the production of Agrilink Foods,
>which would mean, to get to $1 billion in sales, they would spend
>$1,000 a year, or $20 a week on frozen veggies, which is, of course,
>ridiculous.
>
>Like your post.
>
>But say they did.
>
>Then, out of that $1,000, your average consumer would be out 6.5 cents
>for the Evil Jew Kosher Certification.
>
>Wow...you are really onto something here.
>
> 
>>
>>So stop trying to pretend that you are a gentile. Be proud of your
>>religion or zionism. Why hide it with these absurd comments? "tarpon"
>
>Actually, I am reformed mackeral snapperl. That is, a fallen Catholic.
>
>But thanks for caring. My old Jesuit teachers would be so happy to
>know that I can be proud of my religion.
>
>
>>tyler
>>
>>
>>

Your numbers and calculations are in error. Learn to add and multiply
first moron.
.  


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On Mon, 07 Jan 2002 07:15:04 GMT, al51@nospam.cornell.edu (Adam
Littman) wrote:

>In article <3c3935f9.13625905@news.mindspring.com>, tarpon27@yahoo.com wrote:
>>On Mon, 07 Jan 2002 05:00:40 GMT, tyler 
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 07 Jan 2002 04:24:56 GMT, tarpon27@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 06 Jan 2002 04:28:42 GMT, tyler 
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>BOYCOTT THE COR- Religious Tax on Our Homegrown Canadian Food!
>>>>>
>>>>>Boycott COR! Many Canadian and American food products are certified by
>>>>>the Council of Orthodox Rabbis. Look at the label of Heinz ketchup or
>>>>>Windsor Salt. You will see COR followed by a couple of numbers. This
>>>>>means that the Rabbis have an inspection system for these products
>>>>>that YOU the consumer are paying for. The food inspection occurs from
>>>>>the source through transport right to the finished product.  We are
>>>>>talking pots and pans, food process, everything. It has nothing to do
>>>>>with nutrition and everything to do with religious practices!  The
>>>>>Rabbi Council takes a cut of the profits from every part of the food
>>>>>chain right to the shelves on the grocery store. YOU pay the costs! 
>>>>>
>>>>>Boycott COR! The unknowing Canadian population is paying for COR and
>>>>>it has nothing to do with the quality of the food or its nutrition.
>>>>>Kosher certification is a religious practice on how to prepare foods
>>>>>and what foods not to include. The overwhelming majority of Canadians
>>>>>does not follow the Jewish Orthodox religion and do not care about
>>>>>kosher certification. If they did, there would be no pork chops in the
>>>>>meat market. When I go to any supermarket, I see quite a lot of pork
>>>>>products. The majority of food products, for now, also do not have the
>>>>>COR certification. Proof enough that we do not care to pay for it!
>>>>
>>>>This is so absurd that it defies rational discussion. 
>>>>
>>>>Perhaps you can define for us the actual costs to a food
>>>>processor/manufacturer to label their product as kosher, and what the
>>>>costs are to the consumer.
>>>>
>>>>As an example, the New York _Times_ (5/18/75) article quotes General
>>>>Foods Birds Eye division as calculating that the labeling is
>>>>$0.0000065 per unit produced...that is 6.5 millionths of a cent per
>>>>item. For a $2.99 package of frozen Birds Eye vegetables, the label
>>>>cost then would be $0.0000194 or 194 hundred thousandths of a cent.
>>>>
>>>>Knowing full well these sources will cause howls of anguished rage, a
>>>>quick web search brings me to:
>>>>
>>>>http://www.adl.org/special_reports/kosher_tax/print.html
>>>>
>>>>http://www.nizkor.vex.net/ftp.cgi/orgs/american/adl/kosher-tax/recipe-for-hat
>>e
>>>>
>>>>Now, if you have cites that can flesh out for me what it costs me to
>>>>purchase a product that is labeled as kosher, please do so. If not,
>>>>then how am I supposed to believe your post, and that I am subsidizing
>>>>food labeling that Jewish zealots pocket?
>>>>
>>>>It is your claim. Please provide the costs involved for consumers like
>>>>myself.
>>>
>>>
>>>http://www.kosherquest.org/html/Reliable_Kosher_Symbols.htm
>>
>>From your cite:
>>
>>The cost of certification to the manufacturer is minimal. For
>>non-profit agencies, cost depends on the amount of on-site work.
>>Agencies making a profit might have a minimum annual charge and fees
>>depending on the gross annual sales of the product. The individual
>>supervisor (mashgiach) is typically paid for each visit he makes to
>>the plant (He usually receives less per visit than an auto mechanic
>>makes per hour). The mashgiach is paid by the certifying agency and
>>not by the manufacturer. There is usually no increase in the price of
>>the product due to its kosher certification, because the cost of
>>certification is generally met by increased sales. The O/U reports
>>that in over 45 years, fewer than 12 companies discontinued their
>>certification programs because sales did not increase. Thus, kosher
>>supervision benefits the manufacturer and the consumer, who can be
>>confident that foods may be consumed without violating the kosher
>>standards.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>this site claims that many make a profit on certification. Any profit
>>>whatsoever on a religious tax is more than absurd. It is unethical.
>>
>>A religious "tax"? When do private companies deciding in their own
>>interest to register their products as kosher have the ability to
>>"tax"?
>>
>>>
>>>As for actual costs, companies are silent and the rabbis don't talk
>>>either. If there was no profit there would not be a tax. Quite simple.
>>
>>There isn't a tax because the private sector cannot tax. Have you
>>asked any companies, or do you dispute the quoted URL?
>>>
>>>and as any idiot, whoops I can't say that because of your comments,
>>
>>Golly, how *clever*. Please enumerate how General Foods *taxes*
>>consumers.
>>
>>>knows, a fraction of a penny on the sale of millions and millions of
>>>products can produce a nice sum at the end of the year. There are no
>>>howls from me, I know how to add numbers.
>>
>>Good...use the Bird's Eye example above, and show me your skill in
>>adding.
>>
>>Bird's Eye is now part of Agrilink Foods which had sales of
>>$249,000,000 for the quarter ending September of 2001. Bird's Eye is
>>just *one* of their labels (lines), but let's use the figures as if
>>the complete $249 million was ALL Birds Eye.
>>
>>That makes it a roughly $1 billion dollar a year company.
>>
>>The figure above, says that while Birds Eye was part of General Foods,
>>they calculated it cost $0.0000065 per UNIT produced. I'll not only
>>give you $1 billion in sales, I'll say every "unit" is equal to one
>>dollar.
>
>You are off by two orders of magnitude. It wasn't 6.5 millionths of a dollar, 
>it was 6.5 millionths of a cent.
>
>I will propogate the change.
>
>>You with me here, Tyler?
>>
>>On sales of $1,000,000,000 it amounts to $65,000.
>
>$650
>
>>Sixty-five grand, Mr. I Know How To Add Numbers. 
>>
>>So, what does that cost you and I? Well, let's give you even a LARGER
>>benefit of the doubt.
>>
>>Say a million consumers bought ALL the production of Agrilink Foods,
>>which would mean, to get to $1 billion in sales, they would spend
>>$1,000 a year, or $20 a week on frozen veggies, which is, of course,
>>ridiculous.
>>
>>Like your post.
>>
>>But say they did.
>>
>>Then, out of that $1,000, your average consumer would be out 6.5 cents
>>for the Evil Jew Kosher Certification.
>
>0.065 cents. They would be out 6.5 cents per century (on frozen vegies alone, 
>imagine that).

Your calculations  are no different than the calculations of a
holocaust denier. Come to think of it they are worse as you can't add
or multipily correctly. At any rate you keep good company with the
zealots and racists.. 

The rabbinical web site on the tax clearly states that rabbinical
organizations make profit.  That is enough proof for me, the open
admission is clear.

If the rabbis are involved in a food tax you can rest assured that
there is great profit. 
 
tyler

point of interest:
The Ferengi of the Star Treck series were modelled after orthodox
rabbinical organization where profit was god.  


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On Mon, 07 Jan 2002 11:30:57 GMT, al51@nospam.cornell.edu (Adam
Littman) wrote:

>In article <3C3975E4.58F74849@hers.com>, flavia@his.com wrote:
>>
>>
>>tyler wrote:
>>
>
>>>  By your own admission the
>>> Rabbi did something extraordinary.
>>
>>No, by his own admission, people following this law are extraordinary.
>
>Exactly. If there even _is_ such a law. Tyler, you are, as always, a moron. 
>You claimed that Jews have a religious law that says they shouldn't do 
>something, I bring up an instance of someone who is most likely to obey such a 
>law if _any_ Jew does, and because you are a moron, you think I am describing 
>something unusual, instead of refuting your idiotic assertion.
>
>Put it like this, Tyler, you idiot. If you said "Pigeons don't fly" and I said 
>"I saw a pigeon fly the other day" you would think I was describing something 
>unusual.

 Yeah right. We all know the truth.

By the way, I do feel sorry for you having to have your penis
mutilated at age 15. What trip that must be! Going through life
mutilated by your father and the very people you are supposed to
trust. 

tyler



From tylerdurdensidea@yahoo.com Thu Jan 10 03:01:00 EST 2002
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From: tyler 
Newsgroups: ab.general,bc.general,alt.arabic.general,calgary.general
Subject: Re: Question of the year
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On Mon, 07 Jan 2002 23:32:11 GMT, "Goldfinger"
 wrote:

>
>"Fabrikant"  wrote in message
>news:7cffa2b0.0201021312.30673cd4@posting.google.com...
>
>> Editor dismissed Osama because Osama was "too small". Here is my
>> question of the year: suppose Osama killed not 3,000, but 3,000,000 or
>> 30,000,000 Americans, do you think Time would have chosen him person
>> of the year?
>
>I agree that Osama should be the person of the year.  His actions affected
>many people's life and not just those in NY or USA.  It's an obvious
>appeasement act from Time.  They were bold enough to choose Stalin and
>Hitler but American people never suffered under Stalin and Hitler directly
>and that's the reason why they couldn't have chosen the much deserved Osama
>this time around.
>

God point. I think that if millions were killed then Osama would have
made it. He'll probably get that chance from what I hear about dirty
bombs.

tyler


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From: tyler 
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Subject: Re: The Council of Orthodox Rabbis: Kosher Tax on Canadians?
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On Tue, 08 Jan 2002 02:53:30 GMT, al51@nospam.cornell.edu (Adam
Littman) wrote:

>In article , philnancy@aol.com (Philip Mathews) wrote:
>>"Waldo"  wrote in message
>> news:<3c395dde$0$189@news.impulse.net>...
>
>>> I never said that it was, in fact, it was YOU who implied that the majority
>>> of the OU's income was derived from "niche market" Kosher manufacturers.
>>> 
>>> Common sense says that, as the VAST (and I mean VAST) majority of Kosher
>>> Certified products are intended for consumption by the **general market**,
>>
>>What's you're evidence for this?
>>
>>> that these would be the principle revenue source for the OU. It  is up to
>>> YOU, idiot, to provide evidence to the contrary.
>>
>>Steve needs to present evidence to counter you're conjecture?
>
>He is engaged in a falacy of composition.
>
>Put it this way, Waldo (boy, what an unfortunate name). If your company sells 
>1000 items for $1 at a profit of $0.10 each, and 6 items for $2000 at a profit 
>of $200 each, then most of their individual sales are of things that are cheap 
>and common, most of their income and total profit comes from things that are 
>expensive and rare.
>
>Most products sold with a Kosher symbol are the cheap and low profit variety. 
>It takes little effort to keep them kosher and little effort to certify them. 
>The cheaper it is to certify something, the more chance the symbol will go on 
>it for a mass market product. Because the people who don't care about the 
>symbol won't be turned off by a price increase of a tiny fraction of a cent.
>
>Since meat is expensive to certify _and_ make in a Kosher manner, and requires 
>constant supervision rather than intermittent supervision, that is where the 
>money comes from. However, because it is expensive to keep meat Kosher, Kosher 
>meat is not marketed to the general public. Because in the case of meat, the 
>people who don't care about the symbol _are_ turned off by the price increase 
>of a few dollars. 
>
>>> Yep. You never see fried pork rinds with a Kosher seal.
>
>You also never see mass marketed beef with a Kosher seal.

Oh I'm sure you're working on it. In a perfect world all food would be
kosher certified wouldn't it you rat bastard?

tyler


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On 7 Jan 2002 07:43:02 -0800, cmsahe@excite.com (Carlos cmsahe) wrote:

>If it is marketing then why don't they announce it openly in the TV
>adds? To realize of the Kosher certification you must scan the product
>with a lens to find the very small logo. If you hide something it's
>because that thing is shameful or bad.


Yep. That's all part of the plan! If they announced it then it
wouldn't be purchased.

A real test would be for the rabbis to announce it and then see what
happens. Instead of the bullshit the Bnai Bitches and zionists spew we
would have real data.

I can predict right now that the COR would be stopped.   

tyler


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leave the poor stoned bastards alone. they have enough trouble.

tyler


On Mon, 7 Jan 2002 08:45:23 -0700, "Joe" 
wrote:

>Does anyone know how to make a complaint about a bike courier if you have
>their license plate number?
>



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On 5 Jan 2002 21:57:13 -0800, yitzgood@lycos.com (Yitzchak Goodman)
wrote:

>tyler  wrote in message news:...
>> On 3 Jan 2002 08:24:06 -0800, yitzgood@lycos.com (Yitzchak Goodman)
>> wrote:
>> 
>> >tyler  wrote in message 
>> >
>> >> Your a zionist extremist no better than Beria or Begin.
>> >
>> >Beria was a Gentile.
>> >
>> >Yitz
>> 
>> Yeah right. And you're a putz.
>
>Beria is not identified as a Jew in 
>any historical source that I have ever
>seen. I have seen references to rumors
>and speculation on this point since his
>ethnic origins were a bit obscure, but
>that doesn't mean much. Saying "Yeah right"
>means even less. And you are a shvantz.
>
>Yitz

Ooooo. More insults! Cool! 

Hey, at least I didn't have my dad mutilate my penis as everyone
watched and partied! Must be why you're so vindictive.

tyler


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On Sun, 06 Jan 2002 03:56:40 GMT, His Divine Shadow
 wrote:

>His Merciful Shadow Fell Upon tyler on 1/4/02 22:14:
>
>> On Fri, 04 Jan 2002 06:09:00 GMT, His Divine Shadow
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> His Merciful Shadow Fell Upon tyler on 1/3/02 02:03:
>>> 
>>>> You f*cking zionist extremists should visit  the JDL leader that's in
>>>> jail and get your next orders.
>>> 
>>> Uh huh. It's not about race at all is it, dimbulb?
>> 
>> 
>> Zionists are racists. So with zionism it IS racism you fuckhead.
>
>Listen fuckhead, you are a racist and you defend a racist myth, then claim
>it's NOT about race. Your attempts to hide behind semantics and lame logic
>don't change that fact, unless you are truly so fucking stupid that you
>don't realise you are the pawn of neo-Nazi scumbags by continuing to
>promulgate a racist urban legend.
>
>
>> *plonk*
>
>Right. This is the attention you so desire. Stop pretending you don't enjoy
>the punishment. You imagine that being shown to be a racist somehow raises
>your worth in here. You would be wrong.

Yeah, Eeeevrybody hates you. Look out! Blame everyone for your
troubles! 

As for punishment, at least I didn't have my dad mutilate my penis
when I was 15 while everyone hooted and partied. That must screw you
guys up for life. I suppose that's the purpose. I mean if you can't
trust dear old dad who can you trust? 

Paranoia runs deep, right to the crotch!

tyler


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From: tyler 
Newsgroups: calgary.general,soc.culture.jewish,edm.general
Subject: Re: The Council of Orthodox Rabbis: Kosher Tax on Canadians?
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On Sat, 05 Jan 2002 13:09:41 GMT, al51@nospam.cornell.edu (Adam
Littman) wrote:

>In article , "James B Guthrie"  wrote:
>>
>>"Patrick Gallagher"  wrote in message
>>news:3C36377B.3000901@telusplanet.net...
>>
>>> what added cost? over the course of your lifetime, accidentally buying
>>> kosher foods might cost you 5 cents... if you're blind and buy a LOT of
>>> them... there is no hidden tax - the price would still be the same
>>> without kosher certification - last time I checked, grocery stores
>>> operate on a whole cent pricing scheme, and dropping kosher
>>> certification wouldn't lower the price by a millionth of a cent, so it
>>> wouldn't reduce the price to you even a little bit. If anything, the
>>> prices would go up, because they wouldn't be selling as much product,
>>> thanks to losing part of their market.
>>
>>I really hesitate to enter this thread, as it arises from trolling by a
>>bigot here in Edmonton. However, it is worth noting that the New York Times
>>has run articles recently about increased reaction in Israel to "shake down"
>>operations by various ultra-orthodox councils of rabbis who are "suggesting"
>
>And the reason you put "Suggesting" in quotes? Gee, you wouldn't be trying to 
>imply that they were trying to _force_ anybody to do something would you? 
>Because implying that would be a bit slanderous.
>
>>Kosher certification to businesses offering products that are not items that
>>have heretofore been considered subject to concern even by traditionally
>>orthodox observers. One example cited was toilet paper, but there were
>>household chemicals in the list too.
>
>Gee, like the ones used to wash dishes? Not something I care about, but 
>someone who keeps strictly kosher might.
>
>>Some of the commentators viewed this as a corruption of the original
>>religious concept, and tending to bring ridicule upon those who were
>>generally observant.
>>The proselytising rabbinical groups used a similar argument - the cost is
>>very low and it does not harm those who do not care about such things - but
>>the businesses involved viewed it as a form of extortion that it was cheaper
>>to pay than to fight about.
>
>Fight _whom_ about? Are you claiming that these Orthodox Rabbis were going 
>around breaking kneecaps or something? 
>
>Yeah, some extortion "Psst, hey mister, you really should buy our endorsement, 
>it would be a shame if something unpleasant were to happen to your product, 
>like it not having our endorsement".
>
>My God, all those Hollywood agents calling companies saying "My client would 
>be great for endorsing your product", I guess we better throw them in jail for 
>_extortion_.
>
>You, sir, are an ass.


True to form! You accuse anyone and everyone! 

I can acknowledge what brought you to this state.  I didn't have my
dad mutilate my penis when I was 15 while everyone hooted and partied
so I can only speculate on the effects! That must screw you guys up
for life. I suppose that's the purpose of ritual circumcision. I mean
if you can't trust dear old dad who can you trust? 

Paranoia runs deep, right to the crotch!

Poor Littman. An American at Cornell howling at everyone that is
critical of the very religious system that mutilated his own penis.
There's a psychological diagnosis for this. Identifying with the
oppressor/torturer/kidnapper. 

The purpose of penile mutilation is to create a psychological bond of
terror  that you cannot escape. Your posts are simply proofs of how
well that bond holds.


tyler 


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There's enough religious propoganda. I applaud the Post. At least this
time they refused money on principles.

tyler

On Sat, 05 Jan 2002 19:23:57 -0500, John Lauzon
 wrote:

>PASTOR: NATIONAL POST REFUSED RELIGIOUS AD ACCEPTED BY GLOBE AND MAIL
>
>TORONTO, January 4, 2002 (LSN.ca) - Evangelical Pastor Ken Campbell is
>seriously considering a lawsuit against the National Post newspaper after
>the paper reneged on an arrangement to publish a full-page religious ad
>after the paper switched publishers. Campbell told LifeSite that the Post
>had agreed in November to publish the ad on December 15 but when the ad
>was in camera-ready format for the Post and the $36,000 (plus taxes) was
>ready to be paid the Post called December 14 to say they would not be
>running the ad.
>
>Rev. Campbell called on David Swail, Senior Vice President and General
>Manager of the Post, to protest the breech of contract. Campbell relates
>that Swail revealed that the new management will not "publish religious
>ads". On December 12 Peter Viner, vice-chairman of CanWest Global
>Communications Corp. and the company's former chief executive, was
>announced to be the new publisher of the National Post. Previous publisher
>Conrad Black was the founder of the paper. Rev. Campbell told LifeSite
>that by its action the Post has welcomed a lawsuit for both breech of
>contract and discrimination based on religion. Calls to the National Post
>were not returned by press time.
>
>The ad was a protest of the deliberate removal of references to God in the
>official Canadian ceremony to mark the terrorist attacks on the United
>States. The overtly Christian ad took issue with banning Christ from
>Canadian public schooling and the public square.
>
>The ad was run uncut in the Globe and Mail newspaper on Sat., Dec. 22.
>However, the Globe charges over $10,000 more than the Post for a full page
>ad.
>
>The National Post, which came on the Canadian scene in 1998, giving
>conservatives in Canada a major national media voice for the first time in
>recent history, has been taken over by a notoriously liberal media mogul.
>CanWest Global magnate Israel (Izzy) Asper took complete control of the
>Post last summer. Promises that the new ownership would not overhaul the
>conservative editorial stance of the paper have proven to be false as
>CanWest has mandated that all its papers will soon be forced to carry
>three editorials per week from its central office. The newspaper's
>financial losses have substantially increased since the takeover by
>CanWest, according to a December 9 report in the Toronto Star by Mitch
>Potter.
>
>See related coverage by LifeSite:
>CANADA'S ONLY CONSERVATIVE NATIONAL PAPER FALLS COMPLETELY INTO LIBERAL
>OWNERSHIP
>http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2001/aug/010824.html#1
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Yeah. Canada is no longer Christian. Mr. Trudeau saw to that. Being a
Catholic he saw that there was only one way to overcome the Protestant
majority - by mass immigration of non-Christians.  Now we can have
even more religious wars at home! Hooray for the lib lib libs! Hell,
even Sikhs are fighting themselves. If they weren't in BS, oops I
meant BC,  I would never have known about their religious infighting!
And the Air India plane bombing was icing on the cake.That's what
Canada really needed all along. It was too peaceful and idyllic. It
will certainly never be like that again.

Too bad the Pastor lives in the past.

tyler


On Tue, 08 Jan 2002 21:35:17 GMT, Ranma Saotome 
wrote:

>cuddles@salmahayeksknockers.edu wrote:
>> 
>> In calgary.general John Lauzon  wrote:
>> > PASTOR: NATIONAL POST REFUSED RELIGIOUS AD ACCEPTED BY GLOBE AND MAIL
>> 
>> Interesting, yet printer Scott Brockie was taken to court for his refusal to
>> print pro-gay propaganda.
>> 
>> This strikes me as a double standard... The Pastor may consider taking his
>> case up with a "human rights" tribunal.
>
>Two wrongs don't make a right. I certainly hope that any human rights
>tribunal that saw this would laugh him out of there. Based on what I
>read he is going to have a tough time making this even a breech of
>contract case. Trying to make it a discrimination case is just absurd. 



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On Wed, 09 Jan 2002 04:59:42 GMT, dont@spam.me.spammer (Albino
Protester) wrote:

>In article , 
>tylerdurdensidea@yahoo.com says...
>>
>>There's enough religious propoganda. I applaud the Post. At least this
>>time they refused money on principles.
>>
>
>not too suprising that you would chime in to support censorship based on 
>religious intolerance.

censorship is already here.  obviously my support is not needed. but I
find it funny that so many of you don't realize it.


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Subject: Re: The Council of Orthodox Rabbis: Kosher Tax on Canadians?
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On Tue, 8 Jan 2002 15:16:15 -0800, "Waldo" 
wrote:

>
>"tyler"  wrote in message
>news:u5hl3u04tvdskeq5rmtvaermk4teii9b4e@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 08 Jan 2002 02:53:30 GMT, al51@nospam.cornell.edu (Adam
>> Littman) wrote:
>>
>> >In article ,
>philnancy@aol.com (Philip Mathews) wrote:
>> >>"Waldo"  wrote in message
>> >> news:<3c395dde$0$189@news.impulse.net>...
>> >
>> >>> I never said that it was, in fact, it was YOU who implied that the
>majority
>> >>> of the OU's income was derived from "niche market" Kosher
>manufacturers.
>> >>>
>> >>> Common sense says that, as the VAST (and I mean VAST) majority of
>Kosher
>> >>> Certified products are intended for consumption by the **general
>market**,
>> >>
>> >>What's you're evidence for this?
>> >>
>> >>> that these would be the principle revenue source for the OU. It  is up
>to
>> >>> YOU, idiot, to provide evidence to the contrary.
>> >>
>> >>Steve needs to present evidence to counter you're conjecture?
>> >
>> >He is engaged in a falacy of composition.
>> >
>> >Put it this way, Waldo (boy, what an unfortunate name). If your company
>sells
>> >1000 items for $1 at a profit of $0.10 each, and 6 items for $2000 at a
>profit
>> >of $200 each, then most of their individual sales are of things that are
>cheap
>> >and common, most of their income and total profit comes from things that
>are
>> >expensive and rare.
>> >
>> >Most products sold with a Kosher symbol are the cheap and low profit
>variety.
>> >It takes little effort to keep them kosher and little effort to certify
>them.
>> >The cheaper it is to certify something, the more chance the symbol will
>go on
>> >it for a mass market product. Because the people who don't care about the
>> >symbol won't be turned off by a price increase of a tiny fraction of a
>cent.
>> >
>> >Since meat is expensive to certify _and_ make in a Kosher manner, and
>requires
>> >constant supervision rather than intermittent supervision, that is where
>the
>> >money comes from. However, because it is expensive to keep meat Kosher,
>Kosher
>> >meat is not marketed to the general public. Because in the case of meat,
>the
>> >people who don't care about the symbol _are_ turned off by the price
>increase
>> >of a few dollars.
>> >
>> >>> Yep. You never see fried pork rinds with a Kosher seal.
>> >
>> >You also never see mass marketed beef with a Kosher seal.
>>
>> Oh I'm sure you're working on it. In a perfect world all food would be
>> kosher certified wouldn't it you rat bastard?
>>
>> tyler
>
>Say, that would be a regular Jewtopia, wouldn't it?
>
>Waldo
>

*snicker*  ... and rabbilicious!


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On Tue, 08 Jan 2002 13:21:08 -0700, fuck you tyler wrote:

>On Fri, 04 Jan 2002 06:59:23 GMT, tyler 
>wrote:
>
>>Hitler hated the Jews because of their influence in communism and the
>>Bolshevik revolution.  All of the NKVD, SMERSH and future KGB leaders
>>were Jews. Everyone knows that the most brutal secret police force in
>>history was created by a Polish Jew Dzherzhinsky. Hitler considered
>>communism to be the world's greatest threat. He also predicted that
>>Russian communism would disintegrate. Read parts of Mein Kampf for
>>more detail.  It's rambling, somewhat incoherent but gives insight
>>into what motivated him. As they say: know thy enemy.
>
>
>Yeah, and his name is tyler.

wooow! you're the one that wants to f*ck me. Gosh darn. I'm not into
turd burglars.  You'll have to troll the rabbinical schools for that
kind of action.

tyler 



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On 8 Jan 2002 20:38:47 -0800, PinkElephantsCanTapDance@hotmail.com
(King Nimrod) wrote:

>You're so far in the Dark,
>You might as well be a caveman!
>
>That goes for the counter opinion too.
>

Caveman? What an unoriginal dipyid. 

>kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote in message news:...
>> In article <3C34D934.1050500@telusplanet.net>,
>> Patrick Gallagher   wrote:
>> 
>> [...]
>> 
>> >  Just for the record... I seriously doubt Hitler hated the Jews at 
>> >all... he just needed money for his insane war effort, and exterminating 
>> >the people with the most available money was a good way in his mind to 
>> >raise funds... also keep in mind his mind was half rotted with syphilis 
>> >at that point in time... If the aryans had been the wealthier group, he 
>> >very likely would have exterminated them instead. Anyone who thinks he 
>> >was anything more than an insane idiot needs some serious head 
>> >examination of their own.
>> 
>> There is no doubt that Hitler was determined to destroy Jews and
>> Judaism - he made it clear enough. In a 1922 magazine interview, for
>> instance, he said he would hang Jews from the lamposts of Munich when
>> he came to power.
>> 
>> There are some authors who believe that Hitler saw himself as doing
>> the work of Jesus in murdering the Jews. Although I remain
>> unconvinced, there is a considerable body of evidence pointing to
>> this.



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Subject: Re: BOYCOTT THE COR- Religious Tax on Our Homegrown Canadian Food!
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Until the books of companies are opened to public inspection all that
was written is pure speculation. The costs are spread over so many
products that it is minimal per product and per purchase. It is not
minimal as a whole. No one is giving actual figures for the cost. It's
all handled by spin doctors.

tyler

On Tue, 08 Jan 2002 20:19:43 GMT, No Spam  wrote:

>Given that the material 'tarpon27' has provided in regards to
>replies from various companies in regards to the 'kosher tax'
>seems to be at odds to that on Lubomyr Prytulak's web site:
>
>http://www.ukar.org/tax.shtml
>
>perhaps the only fair way of dealing with it is to forward this post
>to webmaster@ukar.org and see if he is interested in discussing
>if he has recieved any such replies, and if he has any further
>response to the points 'tarpon27' makes.
>
>Posted and e-mailed to: webmaster@ukar.org
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>On Tue, 08 Jan 2002 19:27:20 GMT,
>>in calgary.general
>>tarpon27@yahoo.com used both functioning neurons to say:
>
>>On Mon, 7 Jan 2002 12:00:33 -0800, "Waldo" 
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Your idiotic figures corrected, the (ridiculously deceptive) figure you are
>>>trying to arrive at would be $0.65 cents per century, or 0.0065 cents per
>>>year. Even with the numbers corrected, do you actually believe the shit you
>>>are spouting, Adam?
>>
>>I'm not Adam, and I made the mistake in the multiplication.
>>
>>>Of course you don't.
>>
>>Kind of the heart of the matter, isn't it? What does it cost
>>*consumers* for the cost of certifying products kosher?.
>>
>>The Birds Eye figure was from the May, 1975 NY Times article reference
>>("Calling It Kosher: How and Why", _NY Times_, May 18th, 1975, p. F3;
>>I don't have the actual article, just the cite.)
>>
>>From the ADL site article:
>>
>>[...]
>>The cost to the consumer for this service is a miniscule fraction of
>>the total production overhead; it is so negligible in practical terms
>>as to be virtually non-existent. A May 18, 1975 New York Times article
>>reported that the cost to General Foods' "Bird's Eye" Unit, for
>>example, is 6.5 millionths (.0000065) of a cent per item. Furthermore,
>>a representative of the Heinz Company has said that the per item cost
>>is "so small we can't even calculate it," and that such labeling
>>actually makes products less costly by increasing the market for them.
>>
>>Indeed, according to marketing manager Steven Zamichow, quoted in the
>>Washington Post, "Entenmann's Inc. received kosher certification in
>>1981 and sales of [its] baked goods 'increased substantially.' "
>>Visits to the Entenmann's plant from a "mashgiach" or kashruth
>>inspector, are provided by the Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations
>>of America. The UOJC is one of several groups that maintain such a
>>kosher inspection service, certifying foods and related products to be
>>in compliance with Jewish dietary laws through all phases of
>>production. The profit from these products goes, of course, to the
>>companies that manufacture them and the stores that sell them, not to
>>"the Jews."
>>[...]
>>
>>http://www.adl.org/special%5Freports/kosher%5Ftax/kosher%5Ffacts.html
>>
>>From a source I imagine you will find more philosophically in line:
>>
>>-------------------------------
>>I decided to email a few companies about their kosher certification.
>>Here are a few that I recieved a reply to. I could see a trend so
>>haven't mailed any more companies. 
>>  
>>General Mills
>>
>>> I just became aware of the kosher foods symbol on products. I was 
>>> wondering how much of this cost, of having a rabbi bless my food, is 
>>> passed on to me? I am not jewish and am curious. 
>>
>>Dear Consumer - Thank you for contacting us at the General Mills
>>Corporate Web Site. To answer your question, the cost of having a
>>Rabbi certify our products is less than 1/20,000 of one penny per food
>>package. It is not expensive, but is a service we provide for a large
>>number of consumers who choose to keep a Kosher diet. 
>>
>>Thank you for your questions. If there is any other way we can be of
>>help to you, please let us know! 
>>General Mills Consumer Services 
>> 
>>
>>DOW
>>
>>>I noticed a U with a circle around it on my Saran Wrap. 
>>>I know this is a kosher symbol and was wondering why a 
>>>rabbi would bless plastic wrap, since it's not for 
>>>consumption. Also, what cost is passed to me, a non-Jewish 
>>>person? General Mills mailed me back the cost and reason 
>>>so I hope you will too. 
>>  
>>SARAN WRAP IS NOW DISTRIBUTED BY S.C.JOHNSON. PLEASE CONTACT THEM FOR
>>ASSISTANCE @ 800-428-4795 
>>  
>>
>>S.C.Johnson
>>
>>The reason the SARAN WRAP carries the kosher symbol is because there 
>>is a possibility of the product coming in contact with food. This is 
>>mainly a concern during Passover. The process of getting these
>>products blessed should not be reflected in what you, as a consumer,
>>pays. Since SC Johnson just took over control of these product, it is
>>hard to say if the kosher characteristic will continue or not. This is
>>the first time SC Johnson has had to deal with products being in
>>contact with food and the concern within the Jewish community with
>>these product being kosher or not. 
>>If we can be of further help, feel free to contact us again. 
>>
>>Sincerely, 
>>
>>SC Johnson Wax 
>>Consumer Resource Center 
>>  
>>
>>Proctor and Gamble
>>
>>>I noticed that my Dawn dishwashing soap has a U with a circle 
>>>around it signifying it is kosher. I wonder why soap is kosher and how much 
>>>does it cost me, a non-Jewish person to pay for this service? 
>>
>>This labeling is important to a large number of consumers for
>>religious reasons. The cost of certifying this product as Kosher is
>>minimal and does not affect the selling price of the product. 
>>
>>Mary, 
>>USA Consumer Correspondence Team 
>>
>>SC Johnson's reply one year later 
>>
>>I mailed SC Johnson about finding the circle u symbol. They have a
>>form page and I don't have a copy of that mail I send via that page. I
>>copied the mail above to them, then asked them how much they pay a
>>rabbi to bless their products. This is their reply: 
>>
>>Dear Janice, 
>>
>>Thank you for your recent e-mail regarding the inspection of products 
>>by a rabbi to make them kosher. We appreciate your interest in this, 
>>however, due to the confidentiality of manufacturing costs we are
>>unable to share this information. SC Johnson is privately held and not
>>required to give out such information. 
>>
>>We apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused. 
>>
>>If we can be of further help, feel free to contact us again. 
>>--------------------
>>
>>http://women.stormfront.org/correspondence.html
>>
>>"Women.stormfront.org" is an organization for Aryan women, as its home
>>page states. There is no date for these emails, but on a previous
>>page, she has the year 2000 for the info on the costs of kosher.
>>
>>
>>This is from the OU organization, the largest certifying group in the
>>US:
>>
>>---------------
>>Must a food manufacturer charge more money for his product to cover
>>the cost of Kosher supervision?
>>
>>Almost never. The actual cost of supervision is generally minimal. The
>>increased sales which are generated by the Kosher certification
>>program more than compensate for the additional Kosher related costs.
>>
>>How much does supervision cost?
>>
>>This is a very broad question and there is no general answer. Every
>>Kashruth agency employs its own price structure to establish a
>>certification fee. However, one very important factor in determining
>>the fee is the out of pocket expenses that will be incurred during the
>>inspection program. The actual cost of inspections depends on a number
>>of variables, such as the distance that the inspector must travel to
>>the plant, the mode of available transportation, the frequency of
>>visitation that will be required, and the length of time of an average
>>inspection. Another important consideration is the amount of
>>administrative time that is necessary to oversee the Kosher program.
>>
>>http://www.ou.org/kosher/kosherqa/supervis.htm
>>-----------------
>>
>>From this information, we have the following:
>>
>>1. Bird's Eye at $0.0000065 per item (in a 1975 article);
>>
>>2. Heinz saying it is so small it cannot be calculated (from the same
>>1975 article; Heinz was the first company certified by OU)
>>
>>3. General Mills at 1/20,000th of a penny, or $0.000005 (from the
>>Ayran women's site, and I assume circa 2000)
>>
>>4. Procter and Gamble saying the cost is minimal (from the Aryan
>>women's site again)
>>
>>5. OU, the largest certification organization, states on their web
>>site that the cost is minimal.
>>
>>To me, there are two constants here: it is difficult to find
>>information on the actual costs, but from the limited data, it appears
>>that the cost of certification is minute in terms of large processors.
>>
>>
>>
>>>There are at least five MAJOR Kash-R-Us organizations operating on a
>>>national scale un the United States: OU, OK, Star-K, Star-D, and K of K and
>>>close to a hundred smaller organizations.
>>>
>>>http://www.kashrut.com/agencies/
>>>
>>>We know that the OU **alone** has revenues in excess of $20 million per year
>>
>>[...]
>>Orthodox Union, whose circle U symbol appears on close to 75 percent
>>of all kosher products worldwide, is the big bagel of the kosher
>>certification industry. The nonprofit organization approves more than
>>250,000 products made by 2,400 companies and 4,760 plants in 68
>>countries. It has 50 rabbis on staff in New York and hundreds more
>>around the world and reportedly takes in more than $20 million a year.
>>
>>   Welton's organization is just one of about 275 kosher rating
>>agencies in the United States and 400 around the world, according to
>>Rabbi Yosef Wikler, publisher of Kashrus Magazine in Brooklyn. 
>>   Until the past century, before so many foods were manufactured and
>>packaged outside the home, kosher certification was relatively simple,
>>and rabbis often supervised kosher food producers part time and for
>>free. But as foods have become increasingly complex with flavorings,
>>oils, additives and preservatives, supervision has become far more
>>arduous. 
>>   Depending on the type and complexity of food products, inspections
>>range from twice a year to full time. Plants that process kosher meat,
>>poultry and dairy products are the most labor intensive by far. 
>>[...]
>>
>>http://detnews.com/2001/food/0104/09/c09-208222.htm
>>
>>
>>>(I'd say $50 million is a closer estimate), and that's JUST the OU, 
>>
>>You would, huh? And based on what?
>>
>>
>>>and this
>>>from **Kosher fees alone**, and it DOESN'T take into account the monies
>>>spent by the companies to **comply** with the demands of the Rabbis, which
>>>is certainly MUCH higher than the fees themselves.
>>
>>If a company has to spend money to comply and achieve certification,
>>that would entail, and correct me if I am wrong, probably the
>>following:
>>
>>1. Purchase of raw materials and/or ingredients that meet kosher
>>requirements;
>>2. Upgrading equipment;
>>3. Training individual quality control managers in-plant;
>>4. Changing processing lines, techniques, methods, or scheduling;
>>5. In some industries, *possibly* requiring full-time rabbis in-plant
>>(meat packing and poultry as listed in the Detroit _News_ article; the
>>dairy I have questions on, that I will define below)
>>
>>
>>
>>>The OU is the Big Jew on the block, so, added together, all of the Kosher
>>>fees paid to the Kash-R-Us organizations in the US would easily surpass $100
>>>million.
>>
>>Okay...let's say you are correct.
>>
>>Anyone who has ever worked in the food industry in processing and
>>manufacture knows the prime market: retail grocery stores.
>>
>>-------------
>>Keeping kosher is not just a way of living, it's a big business. 
>>
>>   "Americans spend $486 billion on food, and about $150 billion of
>>that is kosher-certified, whether they know it or not," says Menachem
>>Lubinsky, president of Integrated Marketing Communications, a New York
>>company that researches kosher products.
>> 
>>http://detnews.com/2001/food/0104/09/c09-208222.htm
>>-----------
>>
>>The article above claims $486 billion on food; at
>>
>>http://www.economagic.com/cenret.htm
>>
>>...one can download the actual US Census Bureau figures for grocery
>>store sales;  in 2001 that equals approximately $435 billion in sales,
>>with my use of $37,500,000,000 in sales for December, 2001 which is
>>the only month missing.
>>
>>Basically, then, using your cost figure of $100,000,000 (that you have
>>no basis for) that the various organizations charge, what are the
>>costs of kosher certification versus grocert store sales to consumers?
>>
>>Looks to me like the cost of kosher fees per your figure of $100
>>million per total groceries sold in the US of $435 billion equals
>>about 0.00023%.
>>
>>
>>
>>>Add to that the hundred$ of million$ (my estimate - conservative) that
>>>companies must spend on the labor, materials, equipment and down time
>>>necessary to comply with the Rabbis' demands.
>>
>>ROFL!
>>
>>This line of reasoning leads one to believe that a food
>>manufacturer/processor operating at what I would consider a profit
>>margin of 2 to 5% (net) annually would bankrupt his business for
>>kosher certification? That's *nonsense*.
>>
>>Kosher meats cost more than that processed by Purdue, Tyson, IBP,
>>Excel, etc., (for chickens and beef) because of the increased costs of
>>kosher certification, including ritual slaughter, processing, etc.
>>Compare the costs of kosher chicken to your basic grocery store
>>chicken from a major processor. 
>>
>>----------
>>   Depending on the type and complexity of food products, inspections
>>range from twice a year to full time. Plants that process kosher meat,
>>poultry and dairy products are the most labor intensive by far. 
>>   For example, Elefant says that a Heinz plant that processes both
>>vegetarian beans and pork and beans requires full-time rabbinical
>>supervision. 
>>   However, you would find the biggest flock of mashgichim (the plural
>>of mashgiach) at Empire Kosher Poultry in Mifflintown, Pa. Processing
>>a kosher chicken, it turns out, takes three times longer than a
>>regular bird. 
>>   At Empire, more than 80 Orthodox Union rabbis work full time
>>slaughtering chickens by hand, checking each one for disease or other
>>problems, washing the birds in cold, running water and salting each
>>one. If there is a disagreement about any part or particular, another
>>rabbi is consulted. 
>>   Not surprisingly, a kosher chicken costs more than double a regular
>>chicken. But such price disparities are the exception. 
>>
>>http://detnews.com/2001/food/0104/09/c09-208222.htm
>>-------------
>>
>>(I am surprised that the cost is only double what a chicken processing
>>plant's chickens are.)
>>
>>
>>Most food manufacturers have very few hoops to jump through to become
>>certified as kosher, so costs are minimal. 
>>
>>I worked for the largest privately owned dairy in the US which is also
>>the largest copacker of ice cream in the country. Most of their
>>products are kosher certified but some are not due mostly to additives
>>or ingredients.
>>
>>On the other hand...
>>
>>In kosher law, equipment used to produce non-kosher items cannot be
>>used to produce kosher items. The easy way around this was absurdly
>>simple: kosher items are run first on the processing equipment, then
>>non-kosher items are run. Kosher allows for the same equipment to be
>>used the next day as long as the equipment is santized before use on
>>kosher items. 
>>
>>Considering the fact that all the equipment and over 200 miles of
>>stainless piping is washed, then disinfected (not just sanitized),
>>then rinsed every day, there are no costs involved. This, in the dairy
>>industry, considered to require more intensive scrutiny.
>>
>>The simple fact is that at that dairy, had they been required to
>>effectively purchase two lines of processing equipment to have kosher
>>certification, they would not have. The ice cream manufacturing
>>equipment, and especially for novelities (ice milk and ice cream bars,
>>popsiciles, push-ups, drumsticks, etc.) is so expensive that it would
>>been financially disastorous to do so. When a single Gramm machine to
>>make ice cream bars is $25 million, no one lets plant assets at that
>>price sit idle for the sake of kosher certification.
>>
>>
>>>Keeping in mind that there are only somewhere between 800,000 and 2,000,000
>>>Jews who might be even remotely interested in the vast majority of products
>>>that are certified as Kosher, and that most major foods manufacturers
>>>operate at close to a 10% profit margin at the *manufacturer* price level,
>>>where do you suppose all of this money must be coming from?
>>
>>There are an estimated 10,000,000 active purchasers of kosher products
>>in the US market.
>>
>>*What* money? 
>>
>>First, the cost of certification entails paying for the inspection,
>>which includes transportation, food, ground transport, meal(s), etc.
>>for the Rabbi. By the way, in today's market, the Rabbis are trained
>>in food science; they understand the manufacturing process. They know
>>raw ingredients, the chemistry of additives, the process any
>>manufacturer goes through to convert raw goods to finished products.
>>In the dairy business, they know which stabilizers, emulsifiers, etc.
>>are suitable for production of kosher goods. 
>>
>>After the inspection, the certifying group and the manufacturer
>>negotiate the annual fee. At the dairy I worked at, with 2 fluid milk
>>plants and two ice cream plants, the cost under the original kosher
>>certifying body was $30,000 per year on sales of approximately $400
>>million per year. That according to the man in charge of purchasing
>>for the company who is also a family member owner.
>>
>>He was the liason between the kosher organization and the dairy. He
>>also told me that they have since switched to the OU group, as OU is
>>approximately 75--80% of the total kosher certification in the world
>>market. He did not know the new fees, although they were higher, as OU
>>charges more (at least then their old certifying organization), and he
>>told me yesterday in a phone call, he would find out for me. That was
>>on 1/7/02.
>>
>>Now, whether you would find me a credible source is certainly
>>understandable. 
>>
>>However, your assertion of 1) total fees as $100 million for the
>>kashrut orgs is *your* estimate, and based on what evidence(?), and 2)
>>your assertion that manufacturers/processors incur huge costs to get
>>kosher certification is likewise *your* estimate, and I am guessing
>>you have little, if any, experience in the industry.
>>
>>*If* a manufacturer had to incur huge costs to become kosher, his cost
>>of goods sold would rise so significantly that his competitors would
>>simply drive him out of business...why pay $5 a bottle for Heinz
>>ketchup when Hunts is $2.69? If he chooses to eat the cost of the
>>incurred costs, the consumer still does not pay for it; his business
>>loses profitability.
>>
>>Getting your products in grocery stores is an extremely competitive
>>market; a store may hold 40,000 products with 5,000--6,000 new ones
>>introduced yearly to compete for limited shelf space.
>>
>>You want to know what costs consumers? Try "slotting fees".
>>
>>>I'll tell you where: From the pockets of the Goyim.
>>
>>Good. Then how much? 
>>
>>A question you cannot answer, nor anyone else on the infamous Kosher
>>tax. It appears that the cost of the inspection and fees are minimal,
>>maybe even microscopic, especially with the huge food corporations.
>>(In my experience in the dairy industry, the two largest ice cream
>>firms had $6 to 8 billion in sales, and were owned by large
>>multinationals, Nestle and Unilever.)
>>
>>I am not sure I buy into the argument that going kosher is offset by
>>new sales, although entering major metro markets it probably is; in my
>>experience, entering, for the first time, markets like the Twin
>>Cities, Chicago, Detroit in the midwest required a kosher
>>certification for the market. Some of our cultured dairy products from
>>the fluid plants, like sour cream and chip dips not certified as
>>kosher, received letters and comments asking for them to become
>>certified. WHat that would translate into actual sales...I don't know.
>>
>>Larger cities with larger populations of Jews, Seventh Day Adventists,
>>some Muslims, vegetarians, etc., it would seem prudent to have a
>>kosher certification to penetrate the entire market as much as
>>possible.
>>
>>Now, there is also a strong movement to have Muslim products
>>certified.
>>
>>From the International Food Technicians, and highlights of the 2001
>>Expo and convention:
>>
>>----------
>>Islamic Food and Nutrition Council exhibited the institution of Halal
>>to food processors, educators and regulatory bodies. Their goal is to
>>develop an awareness of Halal among all consumers, to make Halal foods
>>conveniently available to all consumers and to provide Halal solutions
>>to consumer needs. Supervising the production of Halal foods. The
>>coucil: certifies the production of Halal food, leads discussions
>>about topics affecting the Halal consumer, finds solutions for
>>ever-evolving challenges, publishes relevant information, and
>>maintains "best in class" procedures for Halal production. 
>>
>>
>>Star-K Kosher Certification exhibited its worldwide kosher
>>certification services. The organization, recognizing that new
>>companies considering going kosher are faced with the daunting task of
>>distinguishing between the relative merits of numerous agencies, has
>>published an in-depth article on choosing a suitable certification
>>organization. Star-K provides personal service, enabling clients to
>>discuss the complexities of their operations and kosher applications
>>with a rabbi sufficiently knowledgeable to converse comfortably with
>>food technologists and quality assurance personnel. 
>>
>>http://www.ift.org/highlights/services.shtml
>>IFT Food Expo 2001 Highlights
>>----------
>>
>>Halal certification is already active and growing, with new certifying
>>bodies for it, which makes Radio Islam's web site attacking kosher
>>certification look a bit hypocritical.
>>
>>The cost of kosher certification to consumers is microscopic. Even
>>using your estimate of fees.
>>
>>
>>>Shalom!  o:-)>
>>>
>>>(Yidle deeedle didle deeedle didle deeedle didle dum!)
>>>
>>>Waldo
>>>
>>>Observer at Large
>
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On Wed, 09 Jan 2002 00:49:41 GMT, tarpon27@yahoo.com wrote:

>On Tue, 08 Jan 2002 20:19:43 GMT, No Spam  wrote:
>
>>Given that the material 'tarpon27' has provided in regards to
>>replies from various companies in regards to the 'kosher tax'
>>seems to be at odds to that on Lubomyr Prytulak's web site:
>>
>>http://www.ukar.org/tax.shtml
>>
>>perhaps the only fair way of dealing with it is to forward this post
>>to webmaster@ukar.org and see if he is interested in discussing
>>if he has recieved any such replies, and if he has any further
>>response to the points 'tarpon27' makes.
>>
>>Posted and e-mailed to: webmaster@ukar.org
>>
>>----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>I have been to his site, and read his "Jewish Tax" stuff. 
>
>He has an interesting site. I would say that I agree with some of his
>thoughts on the issue, and others I disagree with.
>
>His stuff is far superior to the usual found on the anti-semtic sites.
>

Yep. What do you think about the weasel Wiesenthal and his doctored
pictures and outright lies? Pretty dramatic I'd say!




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On Tue, 08 Jan 2002 23:42:36 GMT, Patrick Gallagher
 wrote:

stuff cut

>nope - just a hope that you fail in your twisted mission to corrupt 
>minds. I don't wish anything other than a long life and a natural death 
>upon anyone, yourself included.
>Patrick

Now its a twisted mission to corrupt minds. This over discussion on
the added cost of kosher certification of ordinary food products.

You and our people are very sick Patrick. Very sick indeed.

tyle



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On Wed, 09 Jan 2002 00:20:41 GMT, "Philip Mathews"
 wrote:

>
>
>ROTFL
>
>So much for Waldo's proof!
>
>(snip)


The true value of kosher food tax to rabbinical councils can be
measured by the volume and ferocity of attack against those who
question it. 

By the insult and sheer volume of denials common sense dictates that
the food tax is worth more than admitted.

tyler

...only dead fish go with the flow 


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The true value of the kosher food tax to rabbinical councils can be
measured by the volume and ferocity of attack against those who
question it. 

By the insult and sheer volume of denials that can be observed on the
newsgroups common sense dictates that the food tax is worth more than
admitted.

tyler

...only dead fish go with the flow 


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The true value of kosher food tax to rabbinical councils can be
measured by the volume and ferocity of attack against those who
question it. 

By the insult and sheer volume of denials that can be seen on multiple
newsgroups common sense dictates that the food tax is worth more than
admitted.

tyler

...only dead fish go with the flow 


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On 9 Jan 2002 03:20:53 -0800, PinkElephantsCanTapDance@hotmail.com
(King Nimrod) wrote:

>You should do your homework,
>your conspiracy sucks!
>

Conspiracy? What conspiracy? What the heck are you rambling about? You
are indeed a nimrod.


>tyler  wrote in message news:<5lrn3ucflf0bmmkac463s2jqaausr06d3f@4ax.com>...
>> On 8 Jan 2002 20:38:47 -0800, PinkElephantsCanTapDance@hotmail.com
>> (King Nimrod) wrote:
>> 
>> >You're so far in the Dark,
>> >You might as well be a caveman!
>> >
>> >That goes for the counter opinion too.
>> >
>> 
>> Caveman? What an unoriginal dipyid. 
>> 
>> >kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote in message news:...
>> >> In article <3C34D934.1050500@telusplanet.net>,
>> >> Patrick Gallagher   wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> [...]
>> >> 
>> >> >  Just for the record... I seriously doubt Hitler hated the Jews at 
>> >> >all... he just needed money for his insane war effort, and exterminating 
>> >> >the people with the most available money was a good way in his mind to 
>> >> >raise funds... also keep in mind his mind was half rotted with syphilis 
>> >> >at that point in time... If the aryans had been the wealthier group, he 
>> >> >very likely would have exterminated them instead. Anyone who thinks he 
>> >> >was anything more than an insane idiot needs some serious head 
>> >> >examination of their own.
>> >> 
>> >> There is no doubt that Hitler was determined to destroy Jews and
>> >> Judaism - he made it clear enough. In a 1922 magazine interview, for
>> >> instance, he said he would hang Jews from the lamposts of Munich when
>> >> he came to power.
>> >> 
>> >> There are some authors who believe that Hitler saw himself as doing
>> >> the work of Jesus in murdering the Jews. Although I remain
>> >> unconvinced, there is a considerable body of evidence pointing to
>> >> this.



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On Wed, 09 Jan 2002 17:08:50 GMT, No Spam  wrote:

>On 8 Jan 2002 21:31:24 -0800,
>in edm.general
>tcantine@incentre.net (Thomas Cantine) used both functioning neurons to
>say:
>
>>   Okay. Let's say, for the sake of argument, that a portion of the
>>money I pay for a bottle of ketchup goes to pay for the kosher
>>inspection. I'm not Jewish, I don't care if my food is kosher or not,
>>so I should be outraged to have to pay such a cost?
>
>I don't know what upsets you, so it's kind of hard to made that
>determination.

>Does it upset you that the Orthodox Jewish (and psuedo-Orthodox
>'sects' practice of Kosher certification is relevant to only a small
>portion of all Jewish people?
>
>Does it upset you that the Moslem religion has the equivalent
>certification process called Halal, and that it is relevant to most
>Moslems? 
>
>Would you be upset if the Vatican council decided that in the
>interests of the health of Catholics that they set up a business
>entity to certify what is fit for Catholics to eat?
>
>Would it upset you with the hundreds of other religions in the world
>did the same....after all it only adds $0.0005 cents per item per religion?
>
>>   Except, the same thing applies to a lot of the other expenses
>>hidden in the cost of my bottle of ketchup. I don't want to have to
>>pay for TV commercials, but that's covered through the money they make
>>when I buy ketchup. Why should I have to pay for ANY of their
>>promotional costs? After all, I already know the product exists, and
>>decided to buy it; why should I pay to convince someone else to buy
>>it?
>
>>   That's just business. Companies will spend money to promote their
>>products, and cover those costs through increased sales. Further, they
>>will target their promotional costs to those market segments that seem
>>worthwhile. Presumably the COR food products makers see the Jewish
>>segment of the market as big enough to justify the expense. This is no
>>religious tax; it's a marketing expense.
>
>To some degree the linkage between the two expenses is valid.
>But considering the cost of Kosher certification is relevant to less
>than 1% of the population it doesn't seem logical to have everyone
>forced to bear the cost.
>
>I guess we could also get into the issue of corporate and business
>profits and expenses tied to religion and start discussing business
>interests owned by religious figures such as Rev Moon, Pat
>Robertson, Jim Baker and so on in a rather long list, but why bother.
>It's about as relevant as relating the matter to ketchup and
>advertising expenses.
>
> You did know that of the roughly 300 million people in the US
>and Canada the Jewish population is only about 6 million or
>about 2%, and of that figure only a smaller percentage of
>Jewish people strictly follow Orthodox (and pseudo Orthodox)
>Kosher religious law.
>
>You did know that the story about Kosher certification being of
>benefit to Moslems is bullshit, because Moslems look for Halal
>certification on those products that are relevant.
>
>Actually if you do some research on Halal, you'll find out that it
>makes a hell of a lot more sense, because it is based in simple
>common sense rather than superstition, and is far closer allied to
>North American standards and accepted government food
>regulation.
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>-------------------------------------------------------------

>Would you be upset if the Vatican council decided that in the
>interests of the health of Catholics that they set up a business
>entity to certify what is fit for Catholics to eat?

NO! A THOUSAND TIMES NO!!

I vote for a Catholic food certification program. I think they are the
most creative having given the world  Benedictine liquor and
fantastic wine. No other major religion has looked after the 'spirits'
of its believers like the Catholics.
A toast to the monks and god bless everyone of them! I'll gladly pay
for what they brew!




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On Wed, 09 Jan 2002 16:14:00 GMT, Patrick Gallagher
 wrote:

>tyler wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 08 Jan 2002 23:42:36 GMT, Patrick Gallagher
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> stuff cut
>> 
>> 
>>>nope - just a hope that you fail in your twisted mission to corrupt 
>>>minds. I don't wish anything other than a long life and a natural death 
>>>upon anyone, yourself included.
>>>Patrick
>>>
>> 
>> Now its a twisted mission to corrupt minds. This over discussion on
>> the added cost of kosher certification of ordinary food products.
>> 
>> You and our people are very sick Patrick. Very sick indeed.
>> 
>> tyle
>> 
>> 
>
>who are my people?
>
>last I checked, I was a tall, white, blond haired, blue eyed atheist. 
>I've got a german, russian, and irish background. My family tree is full 
>of people that are either Anglican or Catholic.
>
>I've been mistaken for a skinhead on many occasions in the past, and had 
>I been living in germany pre-WW2 I probably would have been recruited by 
>the Nazi party.
>
>Fact of the matter is, I have enough capacity for free throught that I 
>can form actual informed opinions on matters, and racism (which is all 
>this crap you've been spewing is - inventing reasons to hate people that 
>you think, incorrectly, are different from you) is bullshit. Anyone who 
>actually makes an EFFORT to invent reasons to hate other people is a 
>truly sick individual.
>
>Patrick

Well most of this post  is nonsense and is not really interesting.
You are inventing a reason for hate by ignoring the obvious and your
capacity for free thought is an illusion.  You have to have an open
mind before your thoughts can be free.

It must be the Russian in you. 




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On 9 Jan 2002 05:04:15 -0800, philnancy@aol.com (Philip Mathews)
wrote:

>tyler  wrote in message news:...
>
>> On Wed, 09 Jan 2002 00:20:41 GMT, "Philip Mathews"
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> >
>> >
>> >ROTFL
>> >
>> >So much for Waldo's proof!
>> >
>> >(snip)
>> 
>> 
>> The true value of kosher food tax to rabbinical councils can be
>> measured by the volume and ferocity of attack against those who
>> question it. 
>
>Ferocity!
>
>The true value of the lie of a Kosher Tax is that those peddling the
>lie know it's not a tax, and pretend to prove it's very expensive
>without even knowing how much it costs.
>> 
>> By the insult and sheer volume of denials common sense dictates that
>> the food tax is worth more than admitted.
>
>Common sense is absent from your statement.


Aww common. Try and make your own stuff up for a change.

As for knowing how much it costs, do you? I mean exactly, 
If you don't then just where does your opinion come from? Certainly
not from intelligent  thought. 

You have been conditioned. Bell rings and you salivate. Good dog.

tyler


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On Wed, 09 Jan 2002 16:15:01 GMT, Patrick Gallagher
 wrote:

>tyler wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 09 Jan 2002 00:20:41 GMT, "Philip Mathews"
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>>
>>>ROTFL
>>>
>>>So much for Waldo's proof!
>>>
>>>(snip)
>>>
>> 
>> 
>> The true value of kosher food tax to rabbinical councils can be
>> measured by the volume and ferocity of attack against those who
>> question it. 
>> 
>> By the insult and sheer volume of denials common sense dictates that
>> the food tax is worth more than admitted.
>> 
>> tyler
>> 
>> ...only dead fish go with the flow 
>> 
>
>so tyler, are you just mad at your jewish ancestors for something?
>
>Patrick

huh? How in the hell do you people get this from my questioning a
hidden cost of food products? It makes no difference if it's Catholic
or Jewish yet you continually focus on the fact that it is Jewish.

Explain that will you? 

tyler


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On Wed, 09 Jan 2002 17:23:20 GMT, tarpon27@yahoo.com wrote:

>On Wed, 09 Jan 2002 07:35:08 GMT, tyler 
>wrote:
>
>
>
>>The true value of kosher food tax to rabbinical councils can be
>>measured by the volume and ferocity of attack against those who
>>question it. 
>>
>>By the insult and sheer volume of denials common sense dictates that
>>the food tax is worth more than admitted.
>>
>>tyler
>>
>>...only dead fish go with the flow 
>
>
>Not according to *you*.
>

Wow what a clever mind. Clearly I am fencing with a master of
witlessness.

 TARPON Megalops atlanticus 

Description: Last ray of dorsal fin extended into long filament; one
dorsal fin; back dark blue to green or greenish black, shading into
bright silver on the sides; may be brownish gold in estuarine waters;
huge scales; mouth large and points upward. 

Note the mouth is large and it point up. Pretty good description of
your comments.

>
>----------------
>Subject: Re: BOYCOTT THE COR- Religious Tax on Our Homegrown Canadian
>Food!
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>Until the books of companies are opened to public inspection all that
>was written is pure speculation. The costs are spread over so many
>products that it is minimal per product and per purchase. It is not
>minimal as a whole. No one is giving actual figures for the cost. It's
>all handled by spin doctors.
>
>tyler
>--------------------
>
>Hmmm...
>
>"The costs are spread over so many
>products that it is minimal per product and per purchase."
>
>Sorta kills your argument, doesn't it?



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On Wed, 09 Jan 2002 17:29:30 GMT, John Morris
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>In <3c3c7be7.7612333@news.mindspring.com> in alt.revisionism, on Wed,
>09 Jan 2002 17:23:20 GMT, tarpon27@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 09 Jan 2002 07:35:08 GMT, tyler
>>  wrote:
> 
>> 
> 
>> >The true value of kosher food tax to rabbinical councils can be
>> >measured by the volume and ferocity of attack against those who
>> >question it. 
>
>> >By the insult and sheer volume of denials common sense dictates
>> >that the food tax is worth more than admitted.
>
>> >tyler
>
>> >...only dead fish go with the flow 
> 
>> Not according to *you*.
> 
>> ----------------
>> Subject: Re: BOYCOTT THE COR- Religious Tax on Our Homegrown
>> Canadian Food!
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>
>> Until the books of companies are opened to public inspection all
>> that was written is pure speculation. The costs are spread over so
>> many products that it is minimal per product and per purchase. It
>> is not minimal as a whole. No one is giving actual figures for the
>> cost. It's all handled by spin doctors.
> 
>> tyler
>> --------------------
> 
>> Hmmm...
> 
>> "The costs are spread over so many
>> products that it is minimal per product and per purchase."
> 
>> Sorta kills your argument, doesn't it?
>
>Kills it, cremates it, and scatters its ashes to the wind.
>
>It is an argument writ on water.
>
>If he hadn't nailed it to the perch. . . .


Jeezus you are really stupid. By minimizing cost to the consumer to
the point that they barely notice it the religious tax becomes an
accepted part of life. It will spread to every consumer commodity
whether related to kosher preparation or not. The final tally of
billions of products sold every year, each product being taxed at a
fraction of a cent is a terrific windfall to one religious group,
namely orthodox rabbis. 

Take out your calculator and multiply one half a cent by 5 billion
items and see what you get - and try not to make a mistake like the
others. The one half cent is not noticeable by the consumer as *I
said*. That doesn't mean that a profit is made. This is the basis of
all scams that started with the rounding off error of early banking
days. Do you even know what I'm talking about? 

my god you people are really stupid. do you even have high school? I
know Canadian education is diving, are you from Ontario? That's where
education suffered the most.

Well do the math and report back to me to see if you have finally
gotten it right and understand how even a half cent tax per item can
turn large profits.

professor tyler


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On Wed, 09 Jan 2002 19:03:28 GMT, tarpon27@yahoo.com wrote:

>On Wed, 09 Jan 2002 17:29:30 GMT, John Morris
> wrote:
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>>In <3c3c7be7.7612333@news.mindspring.com> in alt.revisionism, on Wed,
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>>
>>> On Wed, 09 Jan 2002 07:35:08 GMT, tyler
>>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>> 
>>> >The true value of kosher food tax to rabbinical councils can be
>>> >measured by the volume and ferocity of attack against those who
>>> >question it. 
>>
>>> >By the insult and sheer volume of denials common sense dictates
>>> >that the food tax is worth more than admitted.
>>
>>> >tyler
>>
>>> >...only dead fish go with the flow 
>> 
>>> Not according to *you*.
>> 
>>> ----------------
>>> Subject: Re: BOYCOTT THE COR- Religious Tax on Our Homegrown
>>> Canadian Food!
>>> Message-ID: 
>>> References: 
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>>
>>> Until the books of companies are opened to public inspection all
>>> that was written is pure speculation. The costs are spread over so
>>> many products that it is minimal per product and per purchase. It
>>> is not minimal as a whole. No one is giving actual figures for the
>>> cost. It's all handled by spin doctors.
>> 
>>> tyler
>>> --------------------
>> 
>>> Hmmm...
>> 
>>> "The costs are spread over so many
>>> products that it is minimal per product and per purchase."
>> 
>>> Sorta kills your argument, doesn't it?
>>
>>Kills it, cremates it, and scatters its ashes to the wind.
>>
>>It is an argument writ on water.
>>
>>If he hadn't nailed it to the perch. . . .
>
>
>
>I believe the term is that he "Irvinged" himself...
>
>
>
>>
>>- -- 
>> John Morris                                
>> at University of Alberta  
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I'll give you the same homework assignment.

Multiply 5 billion products by a one half cent tax that is not
noticeable and see what profit you make.

morons.


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On Wed, 09 Jan 2002 16:17:59 GMT, Patrick Gallagher
 wrote:

>tyler wrote:
>
>> The true value of the kosher food tax to rabbinical councils can be
>> measured by the volume and ferocity of attack against those who
>> question it. 
>> 
>> By the insult and sheer volume of denials that can be observed on the
>> newsgroups common sense dictates that the food tax is worth more than
>> admitted.
>> 
>> tyler
>> 
>> ...only dead fish go with the flow 
>> 
>
>holy lack of creative thought batman!
>
>could you post the same thing repeatedly some more so we can spend more 
>time laughing at how dumb you are please :)
>
>Patrick

ok


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From: tyler 
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On Wed, 09 Jan 2002 02:53:36 -0500, Steven Mock 
wrote:

>Waldo wrote:
>
>> "tyler"  wrote in message
>> news:pdsn3u82qlam374tghq9npcg0tq5s59bom@4ax.com...
>
>> > By the insult and sheer volume of denials common sense dictates that
>> > the food tax is worth more than admitted.
>> >
>> > tyler
>> >
>> > ...only dead fish go with the flow
>> 
>> Excellent points, Tyler.
>> 
>> Jews and their apologists do raise an extraordinary hue and cry whenever the
>> subject is mentioned, don't they?
>
>Nah.  We're just bored because no one on alt.revisionism wasn't to talk
>about revisionism anymore.
>
>And anyway, people generally get upset when they're unfairly accused of
>something they didn't do, don't they, Waldo?  Particularly when the
>accusation is based on racist stereotypes and generalizations.
>
>If we didn't bother to answer your posts, you'd probably claim to have
>beaten us, wouldn't you?
>
>Steven Mock

You are not the target. You're already f*cked up man. Don't flatter
yourself.

what a laugh

tyler


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On Wed, 09 Jan 2002 02:40:40 -0500, Steven Mock 
wrote:

>tyler wrote:
>
>> By the insult and sheer volume of denials that can be observed on the
>> newsgroups common sense dictates that the food tax is worth more than
>> admitted.
>
>Did this guy just invent a new logical fallacy, or is there a word for
>this?
>
>Steven Mock


yeah, i invented it.  sorry to twist your brain so much.

go out and read a philosophy book idiot.

tyler




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On Wed, 09 Jan 2002 16:06:46 GMT, Patrick Gallagher
 wrote:

>tyler wrote:
>
>> The true value of kosher food tax to rabbinical councils can be
>> measured by the volume and ferocity of attack against those who
>> question it. 
>> 
>> By the insult and sheer volume of denials that can be seen on multiple
>> newsgroups common sense dictates that the food tax is worth more than
>> admitted.
>> 
>> tyler
>> 
>> ...only dead fish go with the flow 
>> 
>
>actually, it's more like secondary parties arguing with racist idiots...
>
>but whatever makes ya happy, junior
>
>Patrick

so you're a racist idiot are you?
thought so. 



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On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 05:44:41 GMT, "Philip Mathews"
 wrote:

>"tyler"  wrote in message
>news:go7q3ucu8uue306r1duuvjhquqk3mmb3og@4ax.com...
>
>> On 9 Jan 2002 05:04:15 -0800, philnancy@aol.com (Philip Mathews)
>> wrote:
>>
>> >tyler  wrote in message
>news:...
>> >
>> >> On Wed, 09 Jan 2002 00:20:41 GMT, "Philip Mathews"
>> >>  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >ROTFL
>> >> >
>> >> >So much for Waldo's proof!
>> >> >
>> >> >(snip)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> The true value of kosher food tax to rabbinical councils can be
>> >> measured by the volume and ferocity of attack against those who
>> >> question it.
>> >
>> >Ferocity!
>> >
>> >The true value of the lie of a Kosher Tax is that those peddling the
>> >lie know it's not a tax, and pretend to prove it's very expensive
>> >without even knowing how much it costs.
>> >>
>> >> By the insult and sheer volume of denials common sense dictates that
>> >> the food tax is worth more than admitted.
>> >
>> >Common sense is absent from your statement.
>
>> As for knowing how much it costs, do you? I mean exactly,
>
>The only people who know exactly how much it costs are the companies who
>desire it.
>
>Now why don't you tell me  how poor Waldo claims to have proven that Kosher
>certification costs more than it could possibly return if he doesn't know
>how much it costs?
>
>Take your time, and you may use a calculator.

We can only speculate. Waldo at least makes an honest attempt. What
the hell do you do? The truth has to be estimated right now.

You like to sound important since there is no substance to your
thoughts. You deny the notion that there is a religious hidden tax on
foods without any thought to its value. 

go on, go lick your balls in the corner and try again..





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On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 05:14:55 GMT, tyler 
wrote:


>my god you people are really stupid. do you even have high school? I
>know Canadian education is diving, are you from Ontario? That's where
>education suffered the most.
>
>Well do the math and report back to me to see if you have finally
>gotten it right and understand how even a half cent tax per item can
>turn large profits.
>
>professor tyler

I apologize to the Ontarians. I just realized that many of these guys
are Americans and it goes without saying how dumb they are. Betcha
they don't even know the capital of Canada.

tyler


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Jewish Canadian In Israel

http://www.islamweb.net/english/Article.asp?Article=3212

A Palestinian journalist who disguised himself as a foreign journalist
asked the settlers if peaceful Palestinians could live in peace with
Jews. 

A woman settler, who said she had migrated from Toronto, Canada,
replied: "there is no such a thing as peaceful Arabs, the best Arab as
far as I'm concerned is the dead Arab!" 


***********************************************************

Is what she said true?

tyler


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On Mon, 07 Jan 2002 02:30:12 GMT, Patrick Gallagher
 wrote:

>tyler wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 06 Jan 2002 09:19:06 GMT, Patrick Gallagher
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>>tyler wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>On Sat, 05 Jan 2002 06:25:28 GMT, al51@nospam.cornell.edu (Adam
>>>>Littman) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>In article , His Divine Shadow  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>His Merciful Shadow Fell Upon tyler on 1/4/02 18:07:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Fri, 4 Jan 2002 21:53:30 +0000 (UTC), kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org
>>>>>>>(Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>In article ,
>>>>>>>>tyler   wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On Fri, 04 Jan 2002 09:45:55 GMT, al51@nospam.cornell.edu (Adam
>>>>>>>>>Littman) wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>In article , tyler
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:49:22 +0000 (UTC), kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org
>>>>>>>>>>>(Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>It is my intention to clearly inform Canadians that they are paying
>>>>>>>>>for COR. Zionists and practicing Jews have accused me of anti-Semitism
>>>>>>>>>just because I consider this to be unfair.  Their accusations have
>>>>>>>>>shown them to be the racists that the United Nations has confirmed
>>>>>>>>>them to be.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I accuse you of antisemitism because you stereotype Jews in order to
>>>>>>>>denegrate them. 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Well of course that's your opinion because that is the only way you
>>>>>>>can argue against anyone who objects to a religious tax on food.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>You're a moron, tyler. There is no religious tax. Your incipient racism is
>>>>>>blinding you, but you knew that, didn't you? Never let the facts get in the
>>>>>>way of a useful lie, eh simpelton?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>Nothing "incipient" about it. The guy is a full-blown, no holds barred, 
>>>>>Jew-hating moron. No question.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Keep on screaming that everyone hates you and everyone will.
>>>>
>>>>tyler
>>>>
>>>>
>>>  You are so full of shit - they're calling you on your complete and 
>>>utter bullshit, and you're turning it into a religious debate. 
>>>
>> 
>> Yes dear.
>> 
>> The only 
>> 
>>>evidence of any wrongdoing you've managed to produce is from Nazi, 
>>>Neo-Nazi, and Racist propaganda sites, and as compelling as their 
>>>arguments may be, they're still propaganda, composed of half truths and 
>>>falsehoods that sound close enough to the truth that someone without the 
>>>intelligence or wisdom to actually investigate what they're saying 
>>>through unbiased sources might actually fall for what they have to say. 
>>>You strike me as a somewhat intelligent human being, but if you've 
>>>fallen for any of the crap that all those zealots are trying to push 
>>>onto society, you've got a weaker mind than most.
>>>
>>>
>> 
>> The crap from zionists is even worse. Why don't you include their
>> sites?
>> 
>
>Racism is racism - all of it is crap. None is better, or worse.
>
>
>> 
>> 
>>>  The only problem in our society (or rather, the biggest problem) is 
>>>that people don't realize that they're the same - are you Christian?  
>>>
>> 
>> Really? Why don't people who insist on kosher certification consider
>> themselves to be the same? You are spouting a truly idiotic 'lets feel
>> good about ourselves' 60's philosophy that only works with LSD in a
>> society that uses the work of the 3rd world to finance its excesses. .
>> 
>
>
>Really?  The world isn't perfect, but your lies only complicate things more.
>
>
>> If 
>> 
>>>so, your religion is BASED UPON the Jewish religion - the edicts that 
>>>define the requirements of Kosher are in your bible too. It's not some 
>>>whacked out Jewish manifesto, it's the Old Testament, a Whacked out 
>>>Jewish, Christian, Jehovah's Witness, etc. Manifesto. What people are 
>>>failing to realize is that there is only one race on this planet - 
>>>human. Anyone who commits any sort of act against anyone for any reason 
>>>is committing a crime against the one race - humans. Sure, there are 
>>>differences between different regional varieties of human, but they're 
>>>superficial. There are different religious beliefs, but they're pretty 
>>>much all the same once you get to the core of those religions.
>>>
>>>  How was the last paragraph relevant to your "Kosher Tax" bullshit? 
>>>It's the reason behind the invention of this kosher tax by arrogent, 
>>>moronic groups of people that fear things that are different so much 
>>>that they can't see it's really not different. They take ever 
>>>opportunity to make it appear different, and try to suck in as many weak 
>>>minded fools as they can, in order to spread their bullshit further - 
>>>and you have been wholly sucked in - congratulations, you're doing the 
>>>work of lesser people trying to undo all the progress we've made towards 
>>>a well adjusted, integrated society. You're helping propagate lies and 
>>>untruths. You're helping them turn back the page, increase violence in 
>>>
>> 
>> Not at all. The COR is not an untruth it is a reality. Look at your
>> food labels and get pack to me on that will you sport?
>> 
>
>
>The COR is a reality - the claims of some sort of COR tax is the lie. 
>The costs of their services are too small to be passed on in any 
>meaningful way.
>
>
>> 
>>>our world, and build up racial and religious mistrust. You're helping 
>>>them take a somewhat safe world, and turn it into a violent, evil, 
>>>uncomfortable place to live. It's bad enough already without this crap 
>>>in it.
>>>
>> 
>> Ask the Palestinians about their view. Is the word evil and violent in
>> reality? You are comfotable in yours, just make sure you thank the
>> hundreds of gulags in China filled with Chinese political prisoners
>> that make your cheap products for you. Don't forget to thank the
>> thousands of Indian children that are deformed and die young while
>> making products for you. I can continue but why bother? You have no
>> idea of what the world really is and like to like in a cushy cocoon of
>> indifference.
>> 
>
>
>I know exactly what our world is like - and I know that every person who 
>pushes hate and mistrust is out to destroy it, even if they don't 
>realize it. Canada is a country based on multiculturalism and tolerance. 
>The United States was meant to be the same. Anyone who doesn't 
>understand that concept is perfectly welcome to leave I'm sure - 
>although odds are against any other country wanting them.
>
>
>>>Let it go
>>>
>> 
>> It should be let go by the instigators. The COR tax must go.
>> 
>
>
>There is no COR tax. Companies voluntarily pay for the Kosher 
>certification, and the cost of the certification, once again, is too 
>small to be passed on. We have no currency in the denomination of a 
>millionth of a cent, and until we do, it can't be done. The only 
>exception is in the case of Kosher meats, and you always have a choice 
>about which variety of meat to buy - so the Kosher being more expensive 
>isn't a tax, it's a voluntary payment for the guarantee of higher 
>quality control and better quality meats.
>
>Why don't you complain about the "paying the guy to kill the cow" tax, 
>or the "picking the apple off the tree" tax, or the "paying the guy who 
>mixes the soup ingredients together" tax? Or maybe, next time you eat 
>out, you can whine about the "Pay the cooks who prepared my meal" tax.
>
>All of those are much higher costs than this certification cost that 
>isn't passed on to you anyways. You're complaining about imaginary 
>enemies, and making real enemies in the process.
>
>
>Patrick
>>>
>> 
>> tyler
>> 
>


How the f*ck would YOU know Patrick? 

tyler


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On Sun, 06 Jan 2002 22:06:59 GMT, His Divine Shadow
 wrote:

>His Merciful Shadow Fell Upon tyler on 1/6/02 01:57:
> 
>>>>> Well of course that's your opinion because that is the only way you
>>>>> can argue against anyone who objects to a religious tax on food.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> You're a moron, tyler. There is no religious tax. Your incipient racism is
>>>> blinding you, but you knew that, didn't you? Never let the facts get in the
>>>> way of a useful lie, eh simpelton?
>>> 
>>> Nothing "incipient" about it. The guy is a full-blown, no holds barred,
>>> Jew-hating moron. No question.
>> 
>> 
>> Keep on screaming that everyone hates you and everyone will.
>
>You make it so easy to hate you, bigot. You knowingly spread a racist lie
>and are incapable of realizing you've been duped, or perhaps DO realise it
>and need the attention.
>
>Goodbye, dimbulb.


Jewish Canadian In Israel

http://www.islamweb.net/english/Article.asp?Article=3212

A Palestinian journalist who disguised himself as a foreign journalist
asked the settlers if peaceful Palestinians could live in peace with
Jews. 

A woman settler, who said she had migrated from Toronto, Canada,
replied: "there is no such a thing as peaceful Arabs, the best Arab as
far as I'm concerned is the dead Arab!" 


***********************************************************

Is what she said true?

tyler


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You asked for it! Proof that COR religous tax on food costs consumers

It has been said by zionists and orthodox that the COR tax on Canadian
food does not cost the consumer. Of course this is ridiculous and the
proof is easily found.

COR stands for Council of Orthodox Jews. They certify foods as kosher.
Foods such as Heinz Ketchup and Windsor Salt, and non foods such as
aluminum foil and bleach, have COR certification. Look at the label,
if you see COR followed by a number then the manufacturer pays rabbis
to inspect food, facilities and preparation methods. If they conform
to religious law then the product is certified as kosher. 



The following has been snipped from:

http://www.kosherquest.org/html/Reliable_Kosher_Symbols.htm

Pay attention to the fact that kosher certification, in other words
rabbinical organizations, can derive profit. COR certification costs
are passed along to the consumer by the manufacturer and a religious
organization is profitting. Canadian consumers must boyocott any COR
certified food product to stop a religion from hijiacking Canadian
food production and unfairly profiting from the sale of food items.

The website explains:

Once contact with a certifying agency is made, the detective work
begins. The manufacturer must supply a complete, detailed list of
every ingredient in the product, including preservatives, release
agents, stabilizers or other inert ingredients. In addition, every
step in the manufacturing process, every cleansing agent used on the
equipment and all other products produced on the same premises require
close investigation and supervision. 

The certifying agency must track down each ingredient to its ultimate
source. If, for instance, the ingredient is meat or a meat by-product,
the item cannot be kosher unless the meat source itself is strictly
kosher. Wine and wine by-products, cheese, and some dairy by-products
(such as whey) present the same problem. Any oil used in the
manufacture of foodstuffs has to be traced back to the oil processor.
The supervising agency must conduct a complete and intense
investigation into the origin of all the ingredients.

The results of all these investigations are forwarded to the rabbinic
authority (or board) of the supervising agency. If changes in
ingredients or processes are required, the manufacturer must make the
changes before the agency will do further work. Once all is
acceptable, the rabbinic authority will determine the amount of
on-plant supervision necessary. This information is written into a
contract and then sent to the manufacturer. 


The cost of certification to the manufacturer is minimal. For
non-profit agencies, cost depends on the amount of on-site work.
Agencies making a profit might have a minimum annual charge and fees
depending on the gross annual sales of the product. 

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

The cost is minimial to the manufacturer because they are passed on to
the consumer. The consumer pays 100% of the costs, no wonder they say
that! 

...and whoever heard of a rabbinical agency not making money. They
likely all have a minimum annual charge and fees based on the gross
annual sales of the product.

The website claims that certification increases sales. Ask your
friends and neighbours if they  know what COR means. Unless they are
Jewish, they won't have any idea. So much for sales being increased
because something is certified.

tyler
the consumer watchdog!!! 


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On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 05:44:41 GMT, "Philip Mathews"
 wrote:

>"tyler"  wrote in message
>news:go7q3ucu8uue306r1duuvjhquqk3mmb3og@4ax.com...
>
>> On 9 Jan 2002 05:04:15 -0800, philnancy@aol.com (Philip Mathews)
>> wrote:
>>
>> >tyler  wrote in message
>news:...
>> >
>> >> On Wed, 09 Jan 2002 00:20:41 GMT, "Philip Mathews"
>> >>  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >ROTFL
>> >> >
>> >> >So much for Waldo's proof!
>> >> >
>> >> >(snip)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> The true value of kosher food tax to rabbinical councils can be
>> >> measured by the volume and ferocity of attack against those who
>> >> question it.
>> >
>> >Ferocity!
>> >
>> >The true value of the lie of a Kosher Tax is that those peddling the
>> >lie know it's not a tax, and pretend to prove it's very expensive
>> >without even knowing how much it costs.
>> >>
>> >> By the insult and sheer volume of denials common sense dictates that
>> >> the food tax is worth more than admitted.
>> >
>> >Common sense is absent from your statement.
>
>> As for knowing how much it costs, do you? I mean exactly,
>
>The only people who know exactly how much it costs are the companies who
>desire it.
>
>Now why don't you tell me  how poor Waldo claims to have proven that Kosher
>certification costs more than it could possibly return if he doesn't know
>how much it costs?
>
>Take your time, and you may use a calculator.

Snipped from:

http://www.kosherquest.org/html/Reliable_Kosher_Symbols.htm

The cost of certification to the manufacturer is minimal. For
non-profit agencies, cost depends on the amount of on-site work.
Agencies making a profit might have a minimum annual charge and fees
depending on the gross annual sales of the product. 

************************************************************************

Note that the rabbinical organizations have a choice.
Non - profit certification or certification for profit.
 
The fact is that some if not most certify foods for PROFIT!

OK? If it were ALL not profit MAYBEEEEE it wouldn't be that big of a
deal. But they do it for profit, and profit for a rabbi as evidenced
by the Reichmann family is the same as god.

The rabbis had a choice. They chose profit. How much profit is
irrelevant.

tyler


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Profit from COR, the Kosher tax on foods - The choice was made

Snipped from:

http://www.kosherquest.org/html/Reliable_Kosher_Symbols.htm

The cost of certification to the manufacturer is minimal. For
non-profit agencies, cost depends on the amount of on-site work.
Agencies making a profit might have a minimum annual charge and fees
depending on the gross annual sales of the product. 

************************************************************************

Note that the rabbinical organizations have a choice.
Non - profit certification or certification for profit.
 
The fact is that some if not most certify foods for PROFIT! Based on
gross annual sales! That's a lot of ketchup! 

If it were ALL not profit MAYBEEEEE it wouldn't be that big of a deal.
But they do it for profit, and profit for a rabbi as evidenced by the
Reichmann family is the same as god.

The rabbis had a choice. They chose profit. How much profit is
irrelevant. They could have chosen to organize all non-profit
certification councils. 

Canadian consumers ARE allowing a religion to profit from sales of
ordinary food items.

tyler


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The Council of Orthodox Rabbis: Kosher Tax on Canadians?

The Council of Orthodox Rabbis or COR is a certification for kosher
foods. Part of every dollar on an item that you purchase  that has the
abreviation COR followed by a number goes to the council of orthodox
rabbis, a religious organization. As a consumer you should be aware
than some products that you are purchasing cost more because of this
ceritification. 

The COR certification is now on foods and items that according to
Jewish law do not have to be certified. Salt is one of these yet you
will find COR 69 on SIfto salt and COR 92 on Windsor salt. Ketchup
also does not need certification yet there is a COR 10 on Heinz
ketchup. You will also find COR certification on such absurd items as
Javex Bleach.Can anyone please inform me  that as a result of
rabbinical supervision, Javex Bleach has become purer or more hygienic
or more effectiveI  Or ketchup? Or salt? Is it the amount of iodine in
the salt that the rabbis have to approve or what? I thought this was
done by nutritionists? Do the rabbis visit and inspect every salt mine
and tomato patch? 

What the hell gives here? Why am I as a non-denominational Canadian
consumer being forced to pay a religious group for their certification
not only on a product that doesn't need it according to their own laws
but on any product whatsoever? Why is a religious minority scamming
money off of millions of Canadians on essential products such as salt
that doesn't even need kosher certification? Is this not religious
fraud? Certification for products that don't need it?

Write to: 
Reuben Mark, Chairman & CEO
Colgate-Palmolive
300 Pak Avenue
New York, NY
USA      10022

and ask for a non kosher javex bleach product as you shouldn't have to
pay for COR certification. Unbelievable that this is being done.

Write to:
Guy L. Leblanc
Vice President, Production & Administration
The Canadian Salt Company, Ltd.
7th Floor
755 Boulevard St. Jean
Pointe Claire, Quebec  H9R 5M9

and ask for non kosher table salt. It should be cheaper. Ask him
specifically, how has Windsor Salt production been modified so as to
comply with Jewish religious laws?  How frequent is rabbinical
inspection of Windsor Salt plants, and of what does this inspection
consist?  Is there anyone who will claim that Windsor Table Salt is in
any detectable way different following kosher certification from what
it was before?

As a matter of fact ask these guys:
Do you have information on how Council of Orthodox Rabbis
kosher-certification earnings are distributed, as for example what
proportion of them goes toward supporting the ethnic cleansing of
Palestinians by the State of Israel, or what proportion goes toward
the expansion of Israel's nuclear arsenal, etc.etc In other words, do
the proceeds go to political as well as religious agendas that have
nothing to do with Canada?

Where is W5  on this matter? Are there any newsreporters that can
explain this? Maybe the Protestants and Catholics will catch on and
start making their own certification organization. I can see it now,
GFJ, good for jesus certification...  

Wow, god is such good business...

tyler




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As usual, Kenneth automatically labels anyone as anti-semitic and a
bigot who disagrees with his views. It is an important tactic used to
attack rather than respond reasonably to any criticism or comment on
anything that involves jewery.  The fact that it was so successfully
used by Stalin and Hitler both was not lost on the JDL and other
extremist organizations. 

Kenney doen't offer any proof or reasonable discussion but simply a
tiresome tirade of hate that is equal to the Nazis. He is no
different.


Please answer the following Kenney,

1) Why does salt have to be recognized by the rabbis? 
2) How much does the rabbanical organization get from Sifto or Windsor
   salt for their unecessary certification?
3) Why does ketchup have to be kosher certified?
4) Why does bleach have to be kosher certified?

Please respond to the questions.  They are simple enough and have
nothing to do with Nazis, anti-Semites or the price of tea in China.

tyller





On Wed, 2 Jan 2002 15:31:37 +0000 (UTC), kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org
(Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:

>ADL Special Edition, January 1991 
>A periodic update from the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith 
>Civil Rights Division 
>
>"The Kosher Food Tax is the biggest consumer fraud existing in
>America." 
>
>The bizarre claim by right wing extremists that kosher certification
>markings on food labels ("U," "K," etc.) cost consumers extra money
>and represent, in effect, a "kosher tax" to make rabbis rich, is a
>striking example of the propaganda used by anti-Semites to trick the
>uninformed into accepting conspiracy charges and stereotypes about
>Jews. 
>
>Other anti-Semitic allegations regarding kosher designation on foods
>include charges that "the kosher food racket" benefits Jewish
>organizations while only a small segment of the American population
>desires such markings, and that even the meanings of the labels are
>guarded secrets deliberately kept from non-Jews to trick them into
>paying the "kosher tax." 
>
>The Facts 
>
>Attacks on the labeling of food with the symbols for kashruth
>(traditional Jewish dietary laws) have been a standard ploy of
>anti-Jewish bigots in the U.S. for decades. Such symbols as [encircled
>U], emblem of the Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations (UOJC), among
>others, confirm that products are kosher -- i.e., that foods and
>production processes have been inspected by competent rabbis from the
>respective organizations and found to be in compliance with Jewish
>dietary law. 
>
>The cost to the consumer for this service is a miniscule fraction of
>the total production overhead; it is so negligible in practical terms
>as to be virtually non-existent. A May 18, 1975 New York Times article
>reported that the cost to General Foods' "Bird's Eye" Unit, for
>example, is 6.5 millionths (.0000065) of a cent per item. Furthermore,
>a representative of the Heinz Company has said that the per item cost
>is "so small we can't even calculate it," and that such labeling
>actually makes products less costly by increasing the market for them.
>
>
>Indeed, according to marketing manager Steven Zamichow, quoted in the
>Washington Post, "Entenmann's Inc. received kosher certification in
>1981 and sales of [its] baked goods 'increased substantially.'" Visits
>to the Entenmann's plant, from a "mashgiach," or kashruth inspector,
>are provided by the Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations of America.
>The UOJC is one of several groups that maintain such a kosher
>inspection service, certifying foods and related products to be in
>compliance with Jewish dietary laws through all phases of production.
>The profit from these products goes, of course, to the companies that
>manufacture them and the stores that sell them, not to "the Jews."* 
>
>The Lies 
>
>The most active right wing extremist sources of the "kosher tax" hoax
>are various Ku Klux Klan groups and the National States Rights Party,
>based in Marietta, GA. The Invisible Empire Knights of the Ku Klux
>Klan (now based in North Carolina), through its Empire Publishing,
>offers a pamphlet titled "The Kosher Tax Swindle" to its members and
>supporters. The pamphlet begins: 
>
>"American families are paying tribute to Jews every time they sit down
>at the table to eat and in many instances, polish their shoes, silver
>or wrap the leftover Thanksgiving turkey. Why? Because Jews have
>discovered a way to coerce business to pay taxes directly to Jewish
>organizations and pass the cost on to the consumer." 
>
>The racist and anti-Semitic National States Rights Party ( NSRP),
>founded in 1958, became a focal point of violent opposition to civil
>rights struggle in the South and has functioned as both a propaganda
>mill and a political party. 
>
>The party's founder, Edward Fields, has served as its National
>Secretary, as well as the editor of the party's hate sheet, "The Truth
>At Last" (formerly "The Thunderbolt"). Fields was also the Grand
>Dragon of the now-defunct New Order, Knights of the Ku Klux Klan. 
>
>"The Truth At Last" published a special issue in June 1990 which dealt
>only with kosher symbols. Articles appeared in this edition with such
>titles as: "Six States Make Rabbis Kosher Policeman [sic]," "Secret
>Kosher Tax Boosts Food Prices," "How Kosher Blackmail Works," and
>"Kosher Tax Symbols May Be Changed to Hide Swindle." 
>
>"Describing" kashruth, Fields has written that "All of this is
>superstitious nonsense and has absolutely nothing to do with improving
>the quality of any food product. Still, this clever scheme of
>requiring kosher labeling has become a multi-million dollar business
>today!" Another article in "The Truth At Last" asserted that the
>"kosher tax" is paid to Orthodox Jewish organizations "just so an
>estimated 10% to 20% of Jewry will buy their products," and that "we
>are all forced to pay this Kosher Tax just to appease LESS THAN ONE
>PERCENT OF THE POPULATION!" 
>
>Bigotry Over a Beer Label 
>
>With the recent announcement that the Adolph Coors Brewing Co. will
>carry the [encircled U] symbol on its beer, Hans Schmidt, founder of
>the California-based German-American National Political Action
>Committee (GANPAC) took it upon himself to write a protest letter to
>Peter Coors, President of the company. 
>
>Schmidt, who was a member of the Hitler Youth and claims to have
>served in the Waffen-SS during World War II, has been a leading
>proponent of Holocaust "revisionism" in the United States for many
>years. Following along the lines of many other anti-Semites, Schmidt
>promotes the myth of "Jewish control" of banks, the media, and the
>government. 
>
>In his letter to Peter Coors, Schmidt asserted that "as someone of
>German descent you ought to be ashamed to acquiesce to this scheme.
>You must know that the Jews in the aggregate use a lot of the finances
>thus gathered to spy on non-Jews, to terrorize others (JDL), to ruin
>other people's businesses (numberous Jewish organizations and
>individuals), and to promote their political power to the point where
>this country has been subservient to the needs of another nation
>(Israel)." 
>
>Schmidt also repeated the usual false charges regarding kosher
>symbols, including that "there usually are great costs and efforts
>connected with the kosher certification and that rabbis will make
>upwards of $450,000 from Coors." In a post-script Schmidt made the
>suggestion that Coors add the following symbols to its label: "a
>symbolic fish for Protestants," "a Catholic cross for Catholics," and
>"a Swastika for Nordics/Odinists." 
>
>Beating the "Tax" 
>
>Some extre"You Don't Have to be Jewish..." 
>
>Contrary to the anti-Semitic charge that kosher labeling is a tightly
>guarded "Jewish secret" kept from Christians and others, it is not
>only Jews who prefer to purchase kosher food. According to the
>Washington Post (Sept. 27, 1990), "Some kosher marketing officials
>estimate there may be as many as six million Americans who seek out
>Kosher foods in the supermarket. Of these only 1.5 million are Jewish.
>Moslems and Seventh Day Adventists also adhere to certain aspects of
>applicable only to its limited market, not the general consumer. 
>
>[For additional information related to the certification of kosher
>foods, see the press reports available from the Nizkor Project,
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/antisemitism/kosher-tax/press]



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Oh by the way Kenney,

Here's a direct quote from the Talmud. You know, civil and canonical
laws.

"Jehovah created the non-Jew in human form so that the Jew would not
have to be served by beasts. The non-Jew is consequently an animal in
human form, and condemned to serve the Jew day and night." -Midrasch
Talpioth, p. 225-L. 

Is this quote true? Oh oops, I forgot your other law:

"If a Jew be called upon to explain any part of the rabbinic books, he
ought to give only a false explanation. Who ever will violate this
order shall be put to death." -- Libbre David 37. 

These are very curious quotes from the Talmud. Very curious indeed.
But I guess you can't really comment on them.

tyler


On Wed, 2 Jan 2002 15:31:37 +0000 (UTC), kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org
(Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:

>ADL Special Edition, January 1991 
>A periodic update from the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith 
>Civil Rights Division 
>
>"The Kosher Food Tax is the biggest consumer fraud existing in
>America." 
>
>The bizarre claim by right wing extremists that kosher certification
>markings on food labels ("U," "K," etc.) cost consumers extra money
>and represent, in effect, a "kosher tax" to make rabbis rich, is a
>striking example of the propaganda used by anti-Semites to trick the
>uninformed into accepting conspiracy charges and stereotypes about
>Jews. 
>
>Other anti-Semitic allegations regarding kosher designation on foods
>include charges that "the kosher food racket" benefits Jewish
>organizations while only a small segment of the American population
>desires such markings, and that even the meanings of the labels are
>guarded secrets deliberately kept from non-Jews to trick them into
>paying the "kosher tax." 
>
>The Facts 
>
>Attacks on the labeling of food with the symbols for kashruth
>(traditional Jewish dietary laws) have been a standard ploy of
>anti-Jewish bigots in the U.S. for decades. Such symbols as [encircled
>U], emblem of the Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations (UOJC), among
>others, confirm that products are kosher -- i.e., that foods and
>production processes have been inspected by competent rabbis from the
>respective organizations and found to be in compliance with Jewish
>dietary law. 
>
>The cost to the consumer for this service is a miniscule fraction of
>the total production overhead; it is so negligible in practical terms
>as to be virtually non-existent. A May 18, 1975 New York Times article
>reported that the cost to General Foods' "Bird's Eye" Unit, for
>example, is 6.5 millionths (.0000065) of a cent per item. Furthermore,
>a representative of the Heinz Company has said that the per item cost
>is "so small we can't even calculate it," and that such labeling
>actually makes products less costly by increasing the market for them.
>
>
>Indeed, according to marketing manager Steven Zamichow, quoted in the
>Washington Post, "Entenmann's Inc. received kosher certification in
>1981 and sales of [its] baked goods 'increased substantially.'" Visits
>to the Entenmann's plant, from a "mashgiach," or kashruth inspector,
>are provided by the Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations of America.
>The UOJC is one of several groups that maintain such a kosher
>inspection service, certifying foods and related products to be in
>compliance with Jewish dietary laws through all phases of production.
>The profit from these products goes, of course, to the companies that
>manufacture them and the stores that sell them, not to "the Jews."* 
>
>The Lies 
>
>The most active right wing extremist sources of the "kosher tax" hoax
>are various Ku Klux Klan groups and the National States Rights Party,
>based in Marietta, GA. The Invisible Empire Knights of the Ku Klux
>Klan (now based in North Carolina), through its Empire Publishing,
>offers a pamphlet titled "The Kosher Tax Swindle" to its members and
>supporters. The pamphlet begins: 
>
>"American families are paying tribute to Jews every time they sit down
>at the table to eat and in many instances, polish their shoes, silver
>or wrap the leftover Thanksgiving turkey. Why? Because Jews have
>discovered a way to coerce business to pay taxes directly to Jewish
>organizations and pass the cost on to the consumer." 
>
>The racist and anti-Semitic National States Rights Party ( NSRP),
>founded in 1958, became a focal point of violent opposition to civil
>rights struggle in the South and has functioned as both a propaganda
>mill and a political party. 
>
>The party's founder, Edward Fields, has served as its National
>Secretary, as well as the editor of the party's hate sheet, "The Truth
>At Last" (formerly "The Thunderbolt"). Fields was also the Grand
>Dragon of the now-defunct New Order, Knights of the Ku Klux Klan. 
>
>"The Truth At Last" published a special issue in June 1990 which dealt
>only with kosher symbols. Articles appeared in this edition with such
>titles as: "Six States Make Rabbis Kosher Policeman [sic]," "Secret
>Kosher Tax Boosts Food Prices," "How Kosher Blackmail Works," and
>"Kosher Tax Symbols May Be Changed to Hide Swindle." 
>
>"Describing" kashruth, Fields has written that "All of this is
>superstitious nonsense and has absolutely nothing to do with improving
>the quality of any food product. Still, this clever scheme of
>requiring kosher labeling has become a multi-million dollar business
>today!" Another article in "The Truth At Last" asserted that the
>"kosher tax" is paid to Orthodox Jewish organizations "just so an
>estimated 10% to 20% of Jewry will buy their products," and that "we
>are all forced to pay this Kosher Tax just to appease LESS THAN ONE
>PERCENT OF THE POPULATION!" 
>
>Bigotry Over a Beer Label 
>
>With the recent announcement that the Adolph Coors Brewing Co. will
>carry the [encircled U] symbol on its beer, Hans Schmidt, founder of
>the California-based German-American National Political Action
>Committee (GANPAC) took it upon himself to write a protest letter to
>Peter Coors, President of the company. 
>
>Schmidt, who was a member of the Hitler Youth and claims to have
>served in the Waffen-SS during World War II, has been a leading
>proponent of Holocaust "revisionism" in the United States for many
>years. Following along the lines of many other anti-Semites, Schmidt
>promotes the myth of "Jewish control" of banks, the media, and the
>government. 
>
>In his letter to Peter Coors, Schmidt asserted that "as someone of
>German descent you ought to be ashamed to acquiesce to this scheme.
>You must know that the Jews in the aggregate use a lot of the finances
>thus gathered to spy on non-Jews, to terrorize others (JDL), to ruin
>other people's businesses (numberous Jewish organizations and
>individuals), and to promote their political power to the point where
>this country has been subservient to the needs of another nation
>(Israel)." 
>
>Schmidt also repeated the usual false charges regarding kosher
>symbols, including that "there usually are great costs and efforts
>connected with the kosher certification and that rabbis will make
>upwards of $450,000 from Coors." In a post-script Schmidt made the
>suggestion that Coors add the following symbols to its label: "a
>symbolic fish for Protestants," "a Catholic cross for Catholics," and
>"a Swastika for Nordics/Odinists." 
>
>Beating the "Tax" 
>
>Some extre"You Don't Have to be Jewish..." 
>
>Contrary to the anti-Semitic charge that kosher labeling is a tightly
>guarded "Jewish secret" kept from Christians and others, it is not
>only Jews who prefer to purchase kosher food. According to the
>Washington Post (Sept. 27, 1990), "Some kosher marketing officials
>estimate there may be as many as six million Americans who seek out
>Kosher foods in the supermarket. Of these only 1.5 million are Jewish.
>Moslems and Seventh Day Adventists also adhere to certain aspects of
>applicable only to its limited market, not the general consumer. 
>
>[For additional information related to the certification of kosher
>foods, see the press reports available from the Nizkor Project,
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/antisemitism/kosher-tax/press]



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On Wed, 02 Jan 2002 20:20:48 GMT, Rocketboy 
wrote:

>Kenneth McVay, OBC wrote:
>
>[..]
>
>Good info. Interresting point it made at the end about more than Jews 
>wanting Kosher food. I was going to ask about Halal certification, 
>which I've seen only rarely.


Yeah, but does anyone who is not a jew and doesn't care have to pay
for kosher certification? That's the question 'rocketboy' ( an apt
name). I mean salt? Aluminum foil? Bleach? This is absolute bullshit.
Stick to the topic boyo.

tyler


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There is no difference between a swastika and the zion star. Zionism
has been declared by the United Nations as being no different from
Naziism. 

So, which synagogue do you go to?

tyler


On Wed, 02 Jan 2002 20:08:30 GMT, Rocketboy 
wrote:

>cuddles@salmahayeksknockers.edu wrote:
>[..]
>> I enourage you to not accept his authoritative-sounding postings at
>> face value, but instead, to hit the web and follow up with your own
>> reserarch.
>
>He's right. Let's begin with Dan's references, shall we?
>
>> I did some further research, and found some supplementary discussion
>> on the matter which may be of interest:
>> 
>> http://www.jna.tzo.com/posts/kosher.html
>
>www.jna.tzo.com is "Jerry's Aryan Battle Page". Have a look at the home 
>page. It has adverts for "Mein Kampf". and various "pro-White 
>organizations".
>
>> http://www.ukar.org/tax.shtml
>
>This one's more subtle, but full of lovely quotes about how 
>anti-Semitism in the Ukraine is imaginary. It even explains how said 
>anti-Semitism is actually a Jewish conspiracy (what else?) to increase 
>immigration to Israel.
>
>> http://www.standarte-slc.com/jewishquestion05.html
>
>Look, ma! A giant swastika! http://www.standarte-slc.com/
>
>What interresting sources you choose. I wonder what they say about you?
>
>[..]



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Hey Kenny, is this quote true?

"Anti-Semitism is nothing but the antagonistic attitude produced in
the non-Jew by the Jewish group. The Jewish group has thrived on
oppression and on the antagonism it has forever met in the world." 
ALBERT EINSTEIN Physicist (Collier's Magazine, November 26, 1938)  


tyler


On Wed, 2 Jan 2002 15:31:37 +0000 (UTC), kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org
(Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:

>ADL Special Edition, January 1991 
>A periodic update from the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith 
>Civil Rights Division 
>
>"The Kosher Food Tax is the biggest consumer fraud existing in
>America." 
>
>The bizarre claim by right wing extremists that kosher certification
>markings on food labels ("U," "K," etc.) cost consumers extra money
>and represent, in effect, a "kosher tax" to make rabbis rich, is a
>striking example of the propaganda used by anti-Semites to trick the
>uninformed into accepting conspiracy charges and stereotypes about
>Jews. 
>
>Other anti-Semitic allegations regarding kosher designation on foods
>include charges that "the kosher food racket" benefits Jewish
>organizations while only a small segment of the American population
>desires such markings, and that even the meanings of the labels are
>guarded secrets deliberately kept from non-Jews to trick them into
>paying the "kosher tax." 
>
>The Facts 
>
>Attacks on the labeling of food with the symbols for kashruth
>(traditional Jewish dietary laws) have been a standard ploy of
>anti-Jewish bigots in the U.S. for decades. Such symbols as [encircled
>U], emblem of the Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations (UOJC), among
>others, confirm that products are kosher -- i.e., that foods and
>production processes have been inspected by competent rabbis from the
>respective organizations and found to be in compliance with Jewish
>dietary law. 
>
>The cost to the consumer for this service is a miniscule fraction of
>the total production overhead; it is so negligible in practical terms
>as to be virtually non-existent. A May 18, 1975 New York Times article
>reported that the cost to General Foods' "Bird's Eye" Unit, for
>example, is 6.5 millionths (.0000065) of a cent per item. Furthermore,
>a representative of the Heinz Company has said that the per item cost
>is "so small we can't even calculate it," and that such labeling
>actually makes products less costly by increasing the market for them.
>
>
>Indeed, according to marketing manager Steven Zamichow, quoted in the
>Washington Post, "Entenmann's Inc. received kosher certification in
>1981 and sales of [its] baked goods 'increased substantially.'" Visits
>to the Entenmann's plant, from a "mashgiach," or kashruth inspector,
>are provided by the Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations of America.
>The UOJC is one of several groups that maintain such a kosher
>inspection service, certifying foods and related products to be in
>compliance with Jewish dietary laws through all phases of production.
>The profit from these products goes, of course, to the companies that
>manufacture them and the stores that sell them, not to "the Jews."* 
>
>The Lies 
>
>The most active right wing extremist sources of the "kosher tax" hoax
>are various Ku Klux Klan groups and the National States Rights Party,
>based in Marietta, GA. The Invisible Empire Knights of the Ku Klux
>Klan (now based in North Carolina), through its Empire Publishing,
>offers a pamphlet titled "The Kosher Tax Swindle" to its members and
>supporters. The pamphlet begins: 
>
>"American families are paying tribute to Jews every time they sit down
>at the table to eat and in many instances, polish their shoes, silver
>or wrap the leftover Thanksgiving turkey. Why? Because Jews have
>discovered a way to coerce business to pay taxes directly to Jewish
>organizations and pass the cost on to the consumer." 
>
>The racist and anti-Semitic National States Rights Party ( NSRP),
>founded in 1958, became a focal point of violent opposition to civil
>rights struggle in the South and has functioned as both a propaganda
>mill and a political party. 
>
>The party's founder, Edward Fields, has served as its National
>Secretary, as well as the editor of the party's hate sheet, "The Truth
>At Last" (formerly "The Thunderbolt"). Fields was also the Grand
>Dragon of the now-defunct New Order, Knights of the Ku Klux Klan. 
>
>"The Truth At Last" published a special issue in June 1990 which dealt
>only with kosher symbols. Articles appeared in this edition with such
>titles as: "Six States Make Rabbis Kosher Policeman [sic]," "Secret
>Kosher Tax Boosts Food Prices," "How Kosher Blackmail Works," and
>"Kosher Tax Symbols May Be Changed to Hide Swindle." 
>
>"Describing" kashruth, Fields has written that "All of this is
>superstitious nonsense and has absolutely nothing to do with improving
>the quality of any food product. Still, this clever scheme of
>requiring kosher labeling has become a multi-million dollar business
>today!" Another article in "The Truth At Last" asserted that the
>"kosher tax" is paid to Orthodox Jewish organizations "just so an
>estimated 10% to 20% of Jewry will buy their products," and that "we
>are all forced to pay this Kosher Tax just to appease LESS THAN ONE
>PERCENT OF THE POPULATION!" 
>
>Bigotry Over a Beer Label 
>
>With the recent announcement that the Adolph Coors Brewing Co. will
>carry the [encircled U] symbol on its beer, Hans Schmidt, founder of
>the California-based German-American National Political Action
>Committee (GANPAC) took it upon himself to write a protest letter to
>Peter Coors, President of the company. 
>
>Schmidt, who was a member of the Hitler Youth and claims to have
>served in the Waffen-SS during World War II, has been a leading
>proponent of Holocaust "revisionism" in the United States for many
>years. Following along the lines of many other anti-Semites, Schmidt
>promotes the myth of "Jewish control" of banks, the media, and the
>government. 
>
>In his letter to Peter Coors, Schmidt asserted that "as someone of
>German descent you ought to be ashamed to acquiesce to this scheme.
>You must know that the Jews in the aggregate use a lot of the finances
>thus gathered to spy on non-Jews, to terrorize others (JDL), to ruin
>other people's businesses (numberous Jewish organizations and
>individuals), and to promote their political power to the point where
>this country has been subservient to the needs of another nation
>(Israel)." 
>
>Schmidt also repeated the usual false charges regarding kosher
>symbols, including that "there usually are great costs and efforts
>connected with the kosher certification and that rabbis will make
>upwards of $450,000 from Coors." In a post-script Schmidt made the
>suggestion that Coors add the following symbols to its label: "a
>symbolic fish for Protestants," "a Catholic cross for Catholics," and
>"a Swastika for Nordics/Odinists." 
>
>Beating the "Tax" 
>
>Some extre"You Don't Have to be Jewish..." 
>
>Contrary to the anti-Semitic charge that kosher labeling is a tightly
>guarded "Jewish secret" kept from Christians and others, it is not
>only Jews who prefer to purchase kosher food. According to the
>Washington Post (Sept. 27, 1990), "Some kosher marketing officials
>estimate there may be as many as six million Americans who seek out
>Kosher foods in the supermarket. Of these only 1.5 million are Jewish.
>Moslems and Seventh Day Adventists also adhere to certain aspects of
>applicable only to its limited market, not the general consumer. 
>
>[For additional information related to the certification of kosher
>foods, see the press reports available from the Nizkor Project,
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/antisemitism/kosher-tax/press]



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That's a completely bullshit article because most consumers are
completely unaware of what COR is. I can ask ANY gentile on the
streets and they don't know.

Florida has a large Jewish population so it's no wonder someone would
write glowingly about this religious tax.

Get real.

tyler 


On Wed, 2 Jan 2002 20:44:31 +0000 (UTC), kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org
(Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:

>The Winnipeg Free Press, of June 5, 1996, D1
>
>Kosher Explosion
>High standards make for expansion in market
>By Linda Shrieves, Orlando Sentinal
>
>Quick! Can you name the fastest growing ethnic foods in North
>American grocery stores?
>
>Sure, you rattled off Mexican, Italian and Chinese foods. But
>did you mention kosher?
>
>That's right, kosher.
>
>North Americans are in the midst of a kosher explosion - as
>the number of kosher products on supermarket shelves grows 12
>per cent to 15 per cent each year.
>
>Only a decade ago, consumers looking for kosher products
>headed for a specialty section in their supermarket - or to a
>specialty deli. Today, they can find kosher products in most
>supermarket aisles.
>
>The mushrooming market is illustrated by the number of
>packaged food products available. There are now 33,000 kosher
>products on the market, being manufactured by 7,900 different
>companies. In 1977, by contrast, 412 companies were producing
>a total of 1,000 kosher products.
>
>The kosher explosion began in the early 1980s - in part
>because consumers have less confidence in food manufacturers,
>said Menachem Lubinski, president of Integrated Marketing
>Communications, a New York firm that tracks the kosher food
>industry.
>
>"In the food industry, you don't have a Good Housekeeping
>symbol," Lubinsky said. "So people are groping for something
>that will assure them of quality. They frequently replace the
>word kosher for quality."
>
>Think not? Consider the case of kosher hot dogs. Many non-Jews
>buy them because they believe kosher hot dogs contain better
>quality meat than nonkosher dogs. And some supermarkets now
>carry kosher chickens, which have found a following among many
>consumers because the chickens are farm-raised and are not
>given growth hormones or steroids.
>
>                          Symbol
>
>If you haven't noticed the kosher explosion, you're not alone.
>You may not be in the habit of checking your canned and
>packaged groceries for the small circled U or K symbol that
>signifies a kosher product. (Each rabbinical association has a
>distinct symbol, but most of the well-known certifying
>organizations incorporate a U or K in their symbol.)
>
>Wander down the average supermarket aisle, however, and you'll
>probably be surprised at the products now deemed kosher.
>
>Coca-Cola is now kosher. Jell-O is too. So is Maxwell House
>Coffee, Dannon Yogurt and Coors beer. Even M&Ms are now
>kosher, a blessing to Jewish chocoholics.
>
>Why are no many food manufacturers undergoing rabbinical
>inspections and the necessary paperwork to get their products
>deemed kosher? Because in certain parts of the United States,
>the Northeast, for example, Jews make up a significant share
>of the market.
>
>But there's a growing non-Jewish population eating kosher
>foods, such as vegans, who don't eat animal products,
>including dairy foods. They look for the kosher "pareve"
>designation. That signals that a packaged food has no dairy
>and no meat.
>
>For vegans, the pareve label can be particularly crucial.
>That's because many products that seem to be free of animal
>products may contain gelatins and emulsifiers made from
>rendered animal fat. Those products can't earn the kosher
>designation, let alone pareve, which indicates the absence of
>meat products.
>
>For many food manufacturers -- those whos products don't use
>meat -- kosher inspection involves periodic inspections by a
>rabbi and turning in a list of product ingredients, which is
>then checked to make sure all the ingredients are deemed
>kosher.
>
>                      Intensive
>
>But meat inspection is much more intensive. A Jewish inspector
>(mashgiach) is on site to carefully supervise the slaughter of
>the animals and to inspect the carcass for any sign of disease
>or abnormality. Rabbinical inspectors also ensure that the
>animal is killed humanely (with one clean slit to the throat)
>and that the blood is completely drained and cleaned from the
>carcass.
>
>Following rabbinical inspection, animals that don't meet the
>standards are then sold to nonkosher vendors.
>
>Because of the careful inspection, kosher meat costs more than
>non-kosher meat. But consumers feel they get additional
>supervision that is much tougher than a federal meat
>inspection.
>
>=30=



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Oh right, I do not belong to those groups  or your group. I don't hate
Jews or white supremists. I find every group has some truth but all
groups lie eventually. 

One of the truths is that the COR is a religious tax that I am paying
for. If it was a catholic tax I would also object. It has nothing to
do with anti semitism but you make it so by including the fact that
these other groups are also concerned in an answer to my post.

So you tie me in with them. Just answer my post rather than spewing
the typical bullshit anti-semite tirade. Actually the more you do it
the less effective it becomes, now I'm torn :)

tyler






On Wed, 2 Jan 2002 20:53:12 +0000 (UTC), kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org
(Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:

>In article ,
>tyler   wrote:
>>As usual, Kenneth automatically labels anyone as anti-semitic and a
>>bigot who disagrees with his views. It is an important tactic used to
>>attack rather than respond reasonably to any criticism or comment on
>>anything that involves jewery.  The fact that it was so successfully
>>used by Stalin and Hitler both was not lost on the JDL and other
>>extremist organizations. 
>
>I haven't labeled anyone, but simply pointed out a true fact: "Kosher
>Tax" material is activiely distributed by right wing extremists in an
>attempt to foster hatred towards Jews. 
>
>>Kenney doen't offer any proof or reasonable discussion but simply a
>>tiresome tirade of hate that is equal to the Nazis. He is no
>>different.
>
>
>
>>Please answer the following Kenney,
>>
>>1) Why does salt have to be recognized by the rabbis? 
>
>Why not ask the "rabbis"? I'm not Jewish, and certainly don't speak
>for anyone who is. I think it is safe to assume, however, that the
>reason is simple, as The Winnipeg Free Press article I posted here
>explained, using the example of kosher hot dogs:
>
>"'In the food industry, you don't have a Good Housekeeping
>symbol,' Lubinsky said. 'So people are groping for something
>that will assure them of quality. They frequently replace the
>word kosher for quality.'
>
>"Think not? Consider the case of kosher hot dogs. Many non-Jews
>buy them because they believe kosher hot dogs contain better
>quality meat than nonkosher dogs. And some supermarkets now
>carry kosher chickens, which have found a following among many
>consumers because the chickens are farm-raised and are not
>given growth hormones or steroids." ("Kosher Explosion: High 
>Standards make for expansion in market," Winnipeg Free Press, 
>June 5, 1996, page D1)
>
>>2) How much does the rabbanical organization get from Sifto or Windsor
>>   salt for their unecessary certification?
>
>Since the certification isn't "unecessary," the question is moot.
>
>>3) Why does ketchup have to be kosher certified?
>
>See above. An additional clue, from the same WFP article:
>"For vegans, the pareve label can be particularly crucial.
>That's because many products that seem to be free of animal
>products may contain gelatins and emulsifiers made from
>rendered animal fat. Those products can't earn the kosher
>designation, let alone pareve, which indicates the absence of
>meat products."
>
>>4) Why does bleach have to be kosher certified?
>
>See above.



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On Wed, 02 Jan 2002 14:02:53 -0700, flynn@powersurfr.com wrote:

>
>
>"Kenneth McVay, OBC" wrote:
>
>> In article ,
>>   wrote:
>> >In calgary.general His Divine Shadow  wrote:
>> >
>> >> Thanks for the info, Kenneth.
>> >
>> >Although Mcvay's information may seem superficially informative, do not
>> >consider it to be a comprehensive overview of the Kosher Food Tax
>> >controversy.   Rarely does he tell a direct lie, but will not volunteer
>> >information or interpretation that does not suit his purposes.
>> >
>> >I enourage you to not accept his authoritative-sounding postings at face value,
>> >but instead, to hit the web and follow up with your own reserarch.
>> >
>> >I did some further research, and found some supplementary discussion on
>> >the matter which may be of interest:
>> >
>> >http://www.jna.tzo.com/posts/kosher.html
>> >http://www.ukar.org/tax.shtml
>> >http://www.standarte-slc.com/jewishquestion05.html
>>
>> >Although the cost to the end user may be negligible, the culmulative revenue
>> >for Jewish organizations involved is (at least) in the tens of millions.
>> >Consumers should be informed of the existence of this tax, so they will be
>> >empowered to make purchasing choices in line with their values.
>>
>> It is no more a "tax" than is the cost of advertising, or management
>> salaries, or any other overhead cost added to the consumer price.
>>
>> In some cases, the actual retail price has been _reduced_ after kosher
>> certification, because the increased sales volume generated additional
>> profits.
>>
>
> Perhaps they should have Christian and Muslim certification on products as well,
>since that would appeal to those segments of the population as well.
> Mr. McVay, can you tell me the difference between kosher laundry detergent and
>non-kosher laundry detergent?

No of course he can't. But that won't stop him from calling you an
anti-semite Nazi white racist bastard. 





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On Wed, 2 Jan 2002 21:08:17 +0000 (UTC), kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org
(Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:

>In article ,
>tyler   wrote:
>>Hey Kenny, is this quote true?
>>
>>"Anti-Semitism is nothing but the antagonistic attitude produced in
>>the non-Jew by the Jewish group. The Jewish group has thrived on
>>oppression and on the antagonism it has forever met in the world." 
>>ALBERT EINSTEIN Physicist (Collier's Magazine, November 26, 1938)  
>
>Are you asking if I agree with Einstein? No, I do not agree with him.
>What was your point, by the way? Were you citing Einstein to justify
>your antisemitism, or just trying to avoid dealing with the subject at
>hand, which was the "kosher tax" fraud?


The point is that what he said is the truth. I am not anti-semitic.  I
question the purpose of the COR certification that is a religious and
not nutritional standard being placed on common  food items. These
items do not need this certification based on the religious groups own
standards.

You immediatly claim that I am anti semitic. I take it you are a
zionist. 

There is nothing anti-semitic about me or my right of free speech to
question a food tax.

You are anti-democratic and a mudracking liar. 
And Albert Einstein is 100% correct. I'll certainly take his word over
yours.

Tyler 


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On Wed, 2 Jan 2002 21:06:40 +0000 (UTC), kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org
(Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:

>In article <48r63usi8fqk92a75irs4ecfejh8g57opi@4ax.com>,
>tyler   wrote:
>>
>>Oh by the way Kenney,
>
>The correct spelling for the diminutive is "Kenny."
>
>>Here's a direct quote from the Talmud. You know, civil and canonical
>>laws.
>
>If you're going to offer red herrings, you might want to peruse
>http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Cyprus/8815/ before you embarrass
>yourself further, as you did when you identify Talmud as "civil and
>canonical laws." You'll find Jewish law in the Torah, not the Talmud,
>but don't let anything as strange as the truth prevent you from
>announcing your ignorance.
>
>>"Jehovah created the non-Jew in human form so that the Jew would not
>>have to be served by beasts. The non-Jew is consequently an animal in
>>human form, and condemned to serve the Jew day and night." -Midrasch
>>Talpioth, p. 225-L. 
>>
>>Is this quote true? Oh oops, I forgot your other law:
>
>It isn't my law, Bubba. I'm not Jewish, and no, the quote is not
>correct. You will find
>http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Cyprus/8815/qts.html illuminating.


Oh, so the quote is from the Torah? Thanks. I can always learn. The
quotes certainly illuminate what that would go for hate literature in
gentile circles is embraced by certain religious jewish groups. Very
interesting and informative.

Thanx
tyler


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On Wed, 2 Jan 2002 21:14:34 +0000 (UTC), kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org
(Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:

>In article <77t63usrmiupj513clmp5bh2v6otmujqbi@4ax.com>,
>tyler   wrote:
>>Oh right, I do not belong to those groups  or your group. I don't hate
>>Jews or white supremists. I find every group has some truth but all
>>groups lie eventually. 
>>
>>One of the truths is that the COR is a religious tax that I am paying
>>for. If it was a catholic tax I would also object. It has nothing to
>>do with anti semitism but you make it so by including the fact that
>>these other groups are also concerned in an answer to my post.
>
>The kosher certification cost is not a religious tax. Live with it,
>Bubba.


Oh right. And rabbis aren't religious. In fact 'kosher' does not have
anything to do with religion I suppose.

Nice try zionist.



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On Thu, 03 Jan 2002 00:47:13 GMT, His Divine Shadow
 wrote:

>His Merciful Shadow Fell Upon cuddles@salmahayeksknockers.edu on 1/2/02
>11:20:
>


>> http://www.ukar.org/tax.shtml
>
>Same shit, different angle. You only have to read so many references to the
>Jewish plot to take over the world before you can stop wondering about the
>sanity of the people running the site.


There is nothing about world domination on the above site. 

Shalom asshole.





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On Wed, 02 Jan 2002 21:00:24 GMT, Rocketboy 
wrote:

>tyler wrote:
>[..]
>> Yeah, but does anyone who is not a jew and doesn't care have to pay
>> for kosher certification? That's the question 'rocketboy' ( an apt
>> name). 
>
>That sounds vaguely like an insult. It's an inept one, however, since 
>its meaning isn't clear.

It's not an insult. Your use of the word 'rocketboy' is absolutely
marvelous. It's quite a feat of imagination. What's next, batman?

>
>> I mean salt? Aluminum foil? Bleach? This is absolute bullshit.
>
>I can't imagine why aluminum foil and bleach should be certified 
>kosher. Vegan, maybe. But anyway, if you want to complain about paying 
>money to support minorities, why do you pick such an insignificant 
>example? 

Because its a religion not a minority you dumb shit.


Why not complain about Indian Affairs? French on the 
>cornflakes box? Or how about the expense of ESL training for recent 
>immigrants? Is there any particular reason that out of all the 
>possibilities, it's the tiny "kosher tax" that puts a stone up your bum?
>
>> Stick to the topic boyo.
>
>The subject line is "The Kosher Tax: Recipe for Hate". I'd say I'm on 
>topic. If you don't like my comment, too damn bad.

Like it? It's hysterical!



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On Wed, 02 Jan 2002 21:44:10 GMT, "Howie"  wrote:

>
>"tyler"  wrote in message
>news:dcq63ukot2k147nj8kjfqmtc2k757fk1m3@4ax.com...
>> As usual, Kenneth automatically labels anyone as anti-semitic and a
>> bigot who disagrees with his views. It is an important tactic used to
>> attack rather than respond reasonably to any criticism or comment on
>> anything that involves jewery.  The fact that it was so successfully
>> used by Stalin and Hitler both was not lost on the JDL and other
>> extremist organizations.
>>
>> Kenney doen't offer any proof or reasonable discussion but simply a
>> tiresome tirade of hate that is equal to the Nazis. He is no
>> different.
>>
>>
>> Please answer the following Kenney,
>>
>> 1) Why does salt have to be recognized by the rabbis?
>
>It doesn't.  You can buy your salt from any salt vendor you like, even ones
>who are not kosher-certified.
>

Bullshit, sifto and windsor hold the market. 

>> 2) How much does the rabbanical organization get from Sifto or Windsor
>>    salt for their unecessary certification?
>
>Ask Sifto and Windsor.
they have been asked and refuse to answer.


>
>> 3) Why does ketchup have to be kosher certified?
>
>It doesn't.  You can buy your ketchup from any ketchup vendor you like, even
>ones who are not kosher-certified.

still doesn't answer the question as to why it has to be kosher
certified?



>
>> 4) Why does bleach have to be kosher certified?
>
>It doesn't.  You can buy your bleach from any bleach vendor you like, even
>ones who are not kosher-certified.


If it doesn't then remove the certification.

Your inane comments ignore the reality of the advertising and
marketing penetration of name brand products. Now these products are
supporting a religious organization. It is only fair that the
manufacturers advertise this fact.

They are not so I am doing it for them. 
And I certainly won't buy these products until the COR dissappears. I
suppose I have to buy salt from the americans now...





>
>>
>> Please respond to the questions.  They are simple enough and have
>> nothing to do with Nazis, anti-Semites or the price of tea in China.
>>
>> tyller
>
>[snip]
>



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On Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:11:56 +0000 (UTC), kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org
(Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:

>In article <88v63u0qtr1lpfnqgoiovoc07hjkn3956d@duff.ca>,
>No Spam   wrote:
>
>[...]
>
>>What I object to is you labeling everyone who is in the least
>>bit critical or questioning of subjects dealing with Jews as some
>>kind of racist, bigot, or whatever. It too is a tactic, if not of hate
>>then of aggressiveness and zealotry.
>
>Since I do _not_ label everyone "who is in the least bit critical 
>or questioning of subjects dealing with Jews" in the way you suggest.
>In fact, as my Jewish friends will tell you, I am "critical or
>questioning" on many issues concerning Jews and Things Jewish.
>
>If you can find an example, by all means provide it.

Easy, my post about COR. It wasnot against jews but against a
religious organization that happened to have rabbis running it. If it
were Catholic or Muslim I would be just as offended.

Your a zionist extremist no better than Beria or Begin.




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Swastika, star of david, hammer and sickle, COR,  it's all the same
crap. National socialism, zionism and communism, it's all the same.


On Thu, 03 Jan 2002 01:01:58 GMT, His Divine Shadow
 wrote:

>His Merciful Shadow Fell Upon cuddles@salmahayeksknockers.edu on 1/2/02
>13:28:
>
> 
>>> Look, ma! A giant swastika! http://www.standarte-slc.com/
>> 
>> There is no swastika on that page.
>
>Sorry cuddles, but on a 17" monitor at 1024X768 resolution, the Swastika on
>that page is almost 4" across.
>
>It's just as big as the adoring photo of Adolf Hitler.



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On Thu, 03 Jan 2002 01:06:49 GMT, His Divine Shadow
 wrote:

>His Merciful Shadow Fell Upon tyler on 1/2/02 13:19:
>
>> As usual, Kenneth automatically labels anyone as anti-semitic and a
>> bigot who disagrees with his views.
>
>
>No, he saves that for people who deliberately post anti-semetic conspiracy
>theories as if they were legitimate news.
>
>> It is an important tactic used to
>> attack rather than respond reasonably to any criticism or comment on
>> anything that involves jewery.  The fact that it was so successfully
>> used by Stalin and Hitler both was not lost on the JDL and other
>> extremist organizations.
>
>Yada yada yada.

That's the smartest thing you've said.  It's also a jewish expression.
Interesting eh wot?




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On Thu, 03 Jan 2002 01:09:01 GMT, His Divine Shadow
 wrote:

>His Merciful Shadow Fell Upon tyler on 1/2/02 13:41:
>
>> On Wed, 02 Jan 2002 20:20:48 GMT, Rocketboy 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Kenneth McVay, OBC wrote:
>>> 
>>> [..]
>>> 
>>> Good info. Interresting point it made at the end about more than Jews
>>> wanting Kosher food. I was going to ask about Halal certification,
>>> which I've seen only rarely.
>> 
>> 
>> Yeah, but does anyone who is not a jew and doesn't care have to pay
>> for kosher certification? That's the question 'rocketboy' ( an apt
>> name). I mean salt? Aluminum foil? Bleach? This is absolute bullshit.
>> Stick to the topic boyo.
>
>Grow up. When you see the "Jewish Tax" on your sales receipt, you can bitch
>all you want. Til then, you're venting plasma.

Ha haa! That's great. 'The divine shadow" is even more illuminating.
What's wrong, you're prick is too small>

The fact is that there is no rabbi tax on the sales receipt and there
should be one. Now that I  know, I'll let others know. 
As for growing up, ha haa ha lol lol,  "the divine shadow" says a lot
about your mental age.




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On Tue, 18 Dec 2001 18:50:08 -0700, "John Fleming"
 wrote:

>"Howie"  wrote in message
>news:8UJT7.443$Lx1.2971@shaw-ty1...
>> "John Fleming"  wrote in message
>> news:9vmd11$um1$1@slb1.atl.mindspring.net...
>> > "tyler"  wrote in message
>> > news:4qdq1uk06pt9fgljp57pdbgvs4md2bkafc@4ax.com...
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>> > > Note that my view is not anti-immigration or racist.
>> >
>> > The fact that you placed this sentence in your post suggests to me
>> > otherwise.
>>
>> Self-delusion can be comforting.
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>> > >
>> > > The average number of adults behind bars fell for the first time in
>> > > more than a decade in the fiscal year 1997/98. On any given day,
>> > > 32,970 adults were in either a federal prison or a provincial or
>> > > territorial jail.  About 124,796 adults were on some form of community
>> > > supervision such as probation, parole or statutory release, up 7.6%
>> > > from 1996/97. (most recent data).
>> > >
>> http://www.statcan.ca/english/indepth/85-002/feature/jurl1999004006sda.htm
>> > > http://www.uncjin.org/Statistics/statistics.html
>> > > http://www.statcan.ca/Daily/English/980604/d980604.htm#ART2
>> > >
>> > > A total of 7,152 adult offenders were placed in federal prisons in
>> > > 1999/2000, down almost 4% from 1998/99, and 18% lower than the peak in
>> > > 1993/94. Of this total, 59% were admitted to sentenced custody; the
>> > > remaining offenders were admitted for reasons such as parole
>> > > revocation and exchange of service agreements.
>> >
>> > BTW, people on parole are normally offenders who have been sentenced.
>>
>> By exchange of service agreement, is he refering to Canadians convicted in
>> another country who are sent back here to serve their sentence ?  How
>large
>> is that number compared to the number of criminals being deported?
>
>In Canadian statistics, I expect "exchange of service agreements" refers
>more to provincial inmates serving time in a federal facility and federal
>inmates serving time in provincial facilities.
>
>Correctional Services Canada is a totally seperate entity from its
>provincial counterparts, e.g., Alberta Solicitor General Correctional
>Services Division.  And each run their own prisons.
>
>> [snip]
>> >
>> > > Assuming that 17% of the 7,152 adult offenders were 'born out of the
>> > > country' gives a figure of 1215 federal inmates placed in fed prisons
>> > > in 2000 were immigrants.
>> >
>> > Could you provide us with a source for the 17%.
>>
>> Ya, that one just seemed to come out of thin air.
>
>Like, if it is the percentage of the Canadian population born abroad, there
>must be a source for it somewhere.  However, until the original poster
>provides a source, I cannot accept the figure at face value.
>
>> > > Half of these were violent giving 607
>> > > extremely violent immigrant federal inmates.
>> >
>> > Uh-huh.
>> >
>> > > If you add the 2,000
>> > > violent immigrant offenders that were shipped out of the country under
>> > > armed escort instead of being jailed then the total of violent
>> > > offenders that were born out of the country is 2,607.
>> >
>> > How many of the two thousand were held somewhere during their
>extradition
>> > hearings?  Any idea where they might have been held?
>> >
>> > These people
>> > > would have been placed in the federal jails had they not been shipped
>> > > out thus it is only reasonable to include them in the picture of total
>> > > violent offenders.
>> >
>> > OK.
>>
>> Not really OK.  To be placed in a federal prison, they would have to be
>> arrested, charged and convicted of a crime in Canada.
>
>Right, and as a rule of thumb, they would be convicted of more serious
>offenses with longer sentences.
>
>> I would expect some,
>> perhaps a lot of the deportees were convicted of a crime in Canada (and
>that
>> would be the reason for being deported.)  Wouldn't they then be counted
>> twice in the statistics, both as a deportee and as an inmate ?
>
>Technically, yes.
>
>The thing is, our origninal poster was largely quoting stats for the federal
>system.
>
>If our deportee was serving time in the federal system, then he would be
>counted twice in our poster's numbers--once as a federal inmate and once as
>a deportee.
>
>If our deportee was serving time in a provincial system, then they wouldn't
>be counted as a federal inmate.  Hence, in our poster's numbers they would
>only be counted once.
>
>I'm making the (possibly dangerous) assumption that our original poster is
>only counting offenders in the federal system.  In fact, I think he only
>used one or two numbers that reflected offenders in the provincial systems.
>
>> > > Including those shipped out, the total number of violent offenders in
>> > > jailed and shipped out of the country is 5576. Of this, 2607 were
>> > > violent immigrants.
>> >
>> > Could you clarify something for me.
>> >
>> > An immigrant is someone born outside the country, right?
>> >
>> > Like, if you are born here, you aren't an immigrant.
>> >
>> > Now, 7,152 people were admitted to custody in a federal correctional
>> > facility in 1999/2000.  To that, we can add 2000 deportees who,
>according
>> to
>> > you, were never in the federal system.  That gives us 9,152 people.
>> >
>> > Now, according to your numbers, there were 5576 violent offenders who
>were
>> > either jailed or deported.
>> >
>> > That would suggest to me that 9,152 minus 5576 equals 3,476 offenders
>were
>> > in federal correctional facilities for non-violent crimes.
>> >
>> > Yet, you say above,
>> >
>> >         Prisoners in federal penitentiaries are
>> >         sentenced for things like murder, mass
>> >         murder, extreme violence, torture - they
>> >         are the worst of the worst.
>> >
>> > Could you explain, s.v.p., which of these offenses in your list are
>> > non-violent?
>> >
>> > >This means that 48% or essentially half of the
>> > > most extreme severest violent offenders in the year 2000 that were
>> > > jailed or sent out of the country are immigrants.
>> >
>> > By the way, you don't have the number of immigrants to Canada in a
>typical
>> > year handy, do you?  Oh, and the number of deported offenders as a
>> > percentage of the immigrant population?
>> >
>> > > As far as the count of incarcerated inmates note the disclaimer that
>> > > stats Canada has:
>> > > ***********************************************************
>> > > Admission data are collected when the offender enters an institution
>> > > or community supervision program. While admission data describe and
>> > > measure the changing caseflow of correctional agencies over time, they
>> > > do not indicate the number of unique individuals, since the same
>> > > person can be included several times in annual admission totals.
>> > > **********************************************************************
>> >
>> > Actually, the norm in inmate statistics is to use case count rather than
>> the
>> > number of offenders.
>> >
>> > > This means that all the figures of existing inmate populations are in
>> > > error and likely the older the stats the more error is included.
>> >
>> > What does this say about the statistics you based your conclusions on?
>> >
>> > >Only
>> > > the recently incarcerated or deported are accurate.
>> >
>> > Actually, that doesn't follow from using case count rather than offender
>> > count.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>


What a bunch of nonsense. The federal cases were used because the
worst offenders are charged with federal crimes. This is the mass
murderers, child molestors etc. You don't need provincial stats. The
rest of your post is quite ignorant.


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On Thu, 03 Jan 2002 05:14:21 GMT, His Divine Shadow
 wrote:

>His Merciful Shadow Fell Upon Kenneth McVay, OBC on 1/2/02 14:08:
>
>> In article ,
>> tyler   wrote:
>>> Hey Kenny, is this quote true?
>>> 
>>> "Anti-Semitism is nothing but the antagonistic attitude produced in
>>> the non-Jew by the Jewish group. The Jewish group has thrived on
>>> oppression and on the antagonism it has forever met in the world."
>>> ALBERT EINSTEIN Physicist (Collier's Magazine, November 26, 1938)
>> 
>> Are you asking if I agree with Einstein? No, I do not agree with him.
>> What was your point, by the way? Were you citing Einstein to justify
>> your antisemitism, or just trying to avoid dealing with the subject at
>> hand, which was the "kosher tax" fraud?
>
>
>I did a search for the quote, and the ONLY place it shows up is on White
>Supremacist sites. Is the quote legit, and is it in context?


Why not try the library and look for the magazine? Context, since when
did you guys talk about anything in context.  I wondered about a
religious tax on my food which I never knew about and your buddy
Kenney jumped all over on me as an anti-semite. 

You f*cking zionist extremists should visit  the JDL leader that's in
jail and get your next orders.

tyler


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On Thu, 03 Jan 2002 03:16:49 -0500, Susan Cohen 
wrote:

>
>
>flynn@powersurfr.com wrote:
>
>>
>> I am just pointing out statements which before you mentioned that the reason Moslem,
>> Seventh Day Adventists, and others chose kosher food was that it is healthier, and
>> these statement directly contradict that argument.
>>  You have asserted that kosher foods were healthier. I suggest this is not the case.
>
>Kosher food is certainly perceived as healthier, due to the extra tests
>it is put through,but I agree that it does not mean it is guaranted to be
>such.
>
>Susan
>

Susan, it is not - it is the way the animal is butchered and various
heebeejeebee incantations said during the slaughter. Kosher is part of
a religion not is not a nutritional standard based on food science.

It is not organic and is not healthier. Pig meat is not allowed
because that would be cannibalism.  (a joke)

tyler


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On Thu, 3 Jan 2002 16:22:32 +0000 (UTC), kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org
(Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:

>In article ,
>tyler   wrote:
>>On Thu, 03 Jan 2002 05:14:21 GMT, His Divine Shadow
>> wrote:
>>
>>>His Merciful Shadow Fell Upon Kenneth McVay, OBC on 1/2/02 14:08:
>>>
>>>> In article ,
>>>> tyler   wrote:
>>>>> Hey Kenny, is this quote true?
>>>>> 
>>>>> "Anti-Semitism is nothing but the antagonistic attitude produced in
>>>>> the non-Jew by the Jewish group. The Jewish group has thrived on
>>>>> oppression and on the antagonism it has forever met in the world."
>>>>> ALBERT EINSTEIN Physicist (Collier's Magazine, November 26, 1938)
>>>> 
>>>> Are you asking if I agree with Einstein? No, I do not agree with him.
>>>> What was your point, by the way? Were you citing Einstein to justify
>>>> your antisemitism, or just trying to avoid dealing with the subject at
>>>> hand, which was the "kosher tax" fraud?
>>>
>>>
>>>I did a search for the quote, and the ONLY place it shows up is on White
>>>Supremacist sites. Is the quote legit, and is it in context?
>
>>Why not try the library and look for the magazine? Context, since when
>>did you guys talk about anything in context.  I wondered about a
>>religious tax on my food which I never knew about and your buddy
>>Kenney jumped all over on me as an anti-semite. 
>
>There is no religious tax.

a kosher tax is a religious tax because kosher foods are foods that
are prepared according to religious laws and not according to
nutrition.

>
>>You f*cking zionist extremists should visit  the JDL leader that's in
>>jail and get your next orders.
>
>I admit to sex and Zionism, and condemn the JDL as a terrorist group.
>I reject the charge of extremism out of hand.

You may reject the charge but you are the worst kind of extremist. You
are a person who automatically labels people with serious charges if
they disagree with your viewpoint. 

Zionism has been declared as racism by the United Nations. You admit
to being a zionist therfore you are a racist. You finally admit it.

tyler



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Hitler hated the Jews because of their influence in communism and the
Bolshevik revolution.  All of the NKVD, SMERSH and future KGB leaders
were Jews. Everyone knows that the most brutal secret police force in
history was created by a Polish Jew Dzherzhinsky. Hitler considered
communism to be the world's greatest threat. He also predicted that
Russian communism would disintegrate. Read parts of Mein Kampf for
more detail.  It's rambling, somewhat incoherent but gives insight
into what motivated him. As they say: know thy enemy.

tyler 



On Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:29:02 +0000 (UTC), kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org
(Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:

>In article <3C34D934.1050500@telusplanet.net>,
>Patrick Gallagher   wrote:
>
>[...]
>
>>  Just for the record... I seriously doubt Hitler hated the Jews at 
>>all... he just needed money for his insane war effort, and exterminating 
>>the people with the most available money was a good way in his mind to 
>>raise funds... also keep in mind his mind was half rotted with syphilis 
>>at that point in time... If the aryans had been the wealthier group, he 
>>very likely would have exterminated them instead. Anyone who thinks he 
>>was anything more than an insane idiot needs some serious head 
>>examination of their own.
>
>There is no doubt that Hitler was determined to destroy Jews and
>Judaism - he made it clear enough. In a 1922 magazine interview, for
>instance, he said he would hang Jews from the lamposts of Munich when
>he came to power.
>
>There are some authors who believe that Hitler saw himself as doing
>the work of Jesus in murdering the Jews. Although I remain
>unconvinced, there is a considerable body of evidence pointing to
>this.



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On Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:49:22 +0000 (UTC), kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org
(Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:


>For YOU salt need not be. For those who keep kosher, it does. You
>don't have to buy it if you don't want to pay the 5-millionth of a
>cent cost. That you do not understand why these products should be
>certified doesn't change the fact that millions of people DO. 

What a fruitcake. Everyone can live without salt I suppose... Millions
of people DO NOT know that Canadian salt has a religious tax imposed
by rabbis. Just how many practicing Jews live in Canada? Millions is
it?

tyler




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On Fri, 04 Jan 2002 15:00:40 GMT, Patrick Gallagher
 wrote:

>tyler wrote:
>
>>Hitler hated the Jews because of their influence in communism and the
>>Bolshevik revolution.  All of the NKVD, SMERSH and future KGB leaders
>>were Jews. Everyone knows that the most brutal secret police force in
>>history was created by a Polish Jew Dzherzhinsky. Hitler considered
>>communism to be the world's greatest threat. He also predicted that
>>Russian communism would disintegrate. Read parts of Mein Kampf for
>>more detail.  It's rambling, somewhat incoherent but gives insight
>>into what motivated him. As they say: know thy enemy.
>>
>>tyler 
>>
>>
>>
>>On Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:29:02 +0000 (UTC), kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org
>>(Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:
>>
>>>In article <3C34D934.1050500@telusplanet.net>,
>>>Patrick Gallagher   wrote:
>>>
>>>[...]
>>>
>>>> Just for the record... I seriously doubt Hitler hated the Jews at 
>>>>all... he just needed money for his insane war effort, and exterminating 
>>>>the people with the most available money was a good way in his mind to 
>>>>raise funds... also keep in mind his mind was half rotted with syphilis 
>>>>at that point in time... If the aryans had been the wealthier group, he 
>>>>very likely would have exterminated them instead. Anyone who thinks he 
>>>>was anything more than an insane idiot needs some serious head 
>>>>examination of their own.
>>>>
>>>There is no doubt that Hitler was determined to destroy Jews and
>>>Judaism - he made it clear enough. In a 1922 magazine interview, for
>>>instance, he said he would hang Jews from the lamposts of Munich when
>>>he came to power.
>>>
>>>There are some authors who believe that Hitler saw himself as doing
>>>the work of Jesus in murdering the Jews. Although I remain
>>>unconvinced, there is a considerable body of evidence pointing to
>>>this.
>>>
>  Keep in mind Hitler was insane - in his younger days, he was brilliant 
>(meaning highly intelligent, not correct), but by the time he came to 
>power his mind and judgement were incredibly clouded and damaged from 
>disease.  Not only that, but the Jewish people were only a small portion 
>(a very large number of people, mind you) of the people that were 
>murdered to fund his campaign - he may have had a personal mission 
>against the Jewish people, but his actions during the war did not 
>discriminate except between those who would give him funding, and those 
>he had to take it from.
>
>Patrick

Yeah, but his determination of destroying Jews came largely from their
influence in the communist party. Secondly was their inability to
assimilate into society thus forming a nation within a nation. 

The Ukrainian peasants experienced the nation within a nation concepts
first hand and this was not lost on the Germans. The famine in Ukraine
was orchestrated under Kaganovich, a Jew who was the head of the
Communist Party (Bolshevik) of Ukraine - CP(B)U, essentially the
president of Ukraine. Furthermore 80% of the secret police NKVD were
composed of Jews. In regions of Ukraine where the terror was the
greatest close to 100% of the NKVD were Jews. 

Germany being the closest "western" European country had the most to
fear and the most to lose from continuing communist expansion. The
holocaust of Ukrainians prior to WWII headed by a communist Jew and
supported by Jewish members of the secret police certainly convinced
many German leaders that the communist threat was real and the Jewish
influence in communism was disproportionate in terms of population
statistics. 

 What suprises me is that so little has been said about Hitler's
mindset on communism, and that of the German leadership. It's as if
the Ukrainian famine had no influence whatsoever. The German
Ambassador in Moscow frequently advised the German leadership on the
famine in Ukraine and its root causes.  The German people did not have
a "Walter Duranty" and knew about the famine that killed at least 7
million by starvation.

I think it is one reason neo-Nazism is on the rise again. When people
read about the Nazi view on communism  they wonder why such an obvious
truth was surpressed and then start believing everything Hitler said
later on in life. East Germans of course understand quite well what
communism brought them. As for the rest of the world, the closest we
came to the end of the world was in the fight against communism. This
is also not lost on new-Nazis.

So all in all it is no wonder Hitler targeted communists. Because
Russian, Polish and Ukrainian Jews were in the forefront of the Soviet
secret police and agents of terror and mass murder perhaps Hitler was
convinced that all Jews were enemies. Too bad we can't ask him about
that.

 He also thought that Slavs could not lead themselves and should be
subordinate to German leadership. Seeing as how all the royal families
in Europe are German, including the Queen of Canada, perhaps he had a
point :)

tyler


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On Fri, 04 Jan 2002 09:45:55 GMT, al51@nospam.cornell.edu (Adam
Littman) wrote:

>In article , tyler  wrote:
>>On Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:49:22 +0000 (UTC), kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org
>>(Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:
>>
>>
>>>For YOU salt need not be. For those who keep kosher, it does. You
>>>don't have to buy it if you don't want to pay the 5-millionth of a
>>>cent cost. That you do not understand why these products should be
>>>certified doesn't change the fact that millions of people DO. 
>>
>>What a fruitcake. Everyone can live without salt I suppose... Millions
>>of people DO NOT know that Canadian salt has a religious tax imposed
>>by rabbis. Just how many practicing Jews live in Canada? Millions is
>>it?
>
>ROFL. A "religious tax". Maybe things are different up in Canada, but down 
>here in the USA, if you don't pay a tax, and get caught, you go to jail.
>
>Any Canadians gone to jail because they make un-kosher food? (note, if they 
>claimed that non-kosher food was kosher, that is fraud, not tax evasion).
>
>If you don't like paying the millionth of a cent or so per pound it costs 
>to certify the salt as kosher, then just find a non-kosher brand.
>
>The funniest thing is that even if your time is only worth $5/hour you have 
>spent an amount of it in the last few posts bitching about kosher 
>certification that is worth _many_ times what you will pay _in your entire 
>lifetime_ on kosher certification. Assuming that you don't buy kosher meat.


Hey, I'm not Jewish. Not everything is money. I believe in principles
and ethics. It is unethical to force a majority to pay for the
religious practices of a minority, particularly when they are NOT
AWARE of the added cost.

It is my intention to clearly inform Canadians that they are paying
for COR. Zionists and practicing Jews have accused me of anti-Semitism
just because I consider this to be unfair.  Their accusations have
shown them to be the racists that the United Nations has confirmed
them to be.

Now go back to the USA newsgroups and try to get the legal defence
funds organized for the Jewish terrorist leader of the JDL.

tyler




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On Fri, 4 Jan 2002 21:48:11 +0000 (UTC), kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org
(Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:

>In article ,
>tyler   wrote:
>
>[...]
>
>>Yeah, but his determination of destroying Jews came largely from their
>>influence in the communist party. Secondly was their inability to
>>assimilate into society thus forming a nation within a nation. 
>
>I disagree. Hitler was raised within a strict Catholic environment,
>and saw Jews, literally, as the spawn of Satan. He hated them long
>before he became politically astute enough to associate Jews and
>Communism.
>
>German Jews were the most successfully integrated in all of Europe, so
>your second contention is also incorrect.

You may disagree all you like but I refer to Hitler's writings.
That's a bit more valid than your dreaming.

As for most successfull integration of German Jews in all of Europe
that statement is likely true. But it is a relativistic statement.
Some integration in Germany versus no integration elsewehere. The fact
remains that German Jews were not FULLY integrated in German society
enough to prevent their slaughter, regretful as that may seem.  

In the final analysis integration into any society can be faked by a
lot of PR work, something which American Jews have realized and apply
voraciously in the ad nauseum holocaust films and TV movies and
references. As if Americans were to blame... 

The recent arrest of the American  leader of the Jewish Defense League
for planned terrorist actions certainly underlies the inability for
some Jews to assimilate into any society. The American society is the
most free in history. If it can't be done there it can't be done
anywhere. Certainly not in pre-WWII Germany...

tyler




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On Fri, 4 Jan 2002 21:53:30 +0000 (UTC), kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org
(Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:

>In article ,
>tyler   wrote:
>>On Fri, 04 Jan 2002 09:45:55 GMT, al51@nospam.cornell.edu (Adam
>>Littman) wrote:
>>
>>>In article , tyler
>> wrote:
>>>>On Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:49:22 +0000 (UTC), kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org
>>>>(Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:
>
>>>>>For YOU salt need not be. For those who keep kosher, it does. You
>>>>>don't have to buy it if you don't want to pay the 5-millionth of a
>>>>>cent cost. That you do not understand why these products should be
>>>>>certified doesn't change the fact that millions of people DO. 
>
>>>>What a fruitcake. Everyone can live without salt I suppose... Millions
>>>>of people DO NOT know that Canadian salt has a religious tax imposed
>>>>by rabbis. Just how many practicing Jews live in Canada? Millions is
>>>>it?
>
>>>ROFL. A "religious tax". Maybe things are different up in Canada, but down 
>>>here in the USA, if you don't pay a tax, and get caught, you go to jail.
>
>>>Any Canadians gone to jail because they make un-kosher food? (note, if they 
>>>claimed that non-kosher food was kosher, that is fraud, not tax evasion).
>
>>>If you don't like paying the millionth of a cent or so per pound it costs 
>>>to certify the salt as kosher, then just find a non-kosher brand.
>
>>>The funniest thing is that even if your time is only worth $5/hour you have 
>>>spent an amount of it in the last few posts bitching about kosher 
>>>certification that is worth _many_ times what you will pay _in your entire 
>>>lifetime_ on kosher certification. Assuming that you don't buy kosher meat.
>
>>Hey, I'm not Jewish. Not everything is money. I believe in principles
>
>Tell us again how you aren't antisemitic, Mr. Durden.

Easy, when a clearly Jewish person insults me by saying my time is
worth $5 an hour I have to correct them by saying that I am not
Jewish. This of course is done as a joke. If you can't take it then
don't dish it out.

>
>>and ethics. It is unethical to force a majority to pay for the
>>religious practices of a minority, particularly when they are NOT
>>AWARE of the added cost.
>
>I believe in principles and ethics, and it seems clear to me that you
>have neither.
>
>>It is my intention to clearly inform Canadians that they are paying
>>for COR. Zionists and practicing Jews have accused me of anti-Semitism
>>just because I consider this to be unfair.  Their accusations have
>>shown them to be the racists that the United Nations has confirmed
>>them to be.
>
>I accuse you of antisemitism because you stereotype Jews in order to
>denegrate them. 

The United Nations has declared zionists to be racists. I don't
stereotype anybody. You have admitted to being a zionist therefore in
the eyes of the world you are a racist Kenney.




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On Fri, 4 Jan 2002 21:53:30 +0000 (UTC), kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org
(Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:

>In article ,
>tyler   wrote:
>>On Fri, 04 Jan 2002 09:45:55 GMT, al51@nospam.cornell.edu (Adam
>>Littman) wrote:
>>
>>>In article , tyler
>> wrote:
>>>>On Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:49:22 +0000 (UTC), kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org
>>>>(Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:
>

>>It is my intention to clearly inform Canadians that they are paying
>>for COR. Zionists and practicing Jews have accused me of anti-Semitism
>>just because I consider this to be unfair.  Their accusations have
>>shown them to be the racists that the United Nations has confirmed
>>them to be.
>
>I accuse you of antisemitism because you stereotype Jews in order to
>denegrate them. 

Well of course that's your opinion because that is the only way you
can argue against anyone who objects to a religious tax on food. You
are a professed zionist Mr. McVay. The United Nations has declared
zionism to be the same racism.  Therefor according to the UN  you are
a  racist. According to your posts and responses to me I accuse you of
being a racist.

None of this changes the fact that the COR tax is unfair and
unjustified for the majority of Canadians. Only a racist would say
that it is. And that is your position only  because it is your ethnic
group or zionist membership  that defends the imposition of the tax.
You are clearly the racist here.

tyler



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On Fri, 4 Jan 2002 22:47:24 +0000 (UTC), kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org
(Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:

>In article <6VpZ7.60170$HW3.39589@newsfeeds.bigpond.com>,
>Paul Abeles  wrote:
>>
>>
>>--
>>tantum religio potuit suadere malorum
>>"Kenneth McVay, OBC"  wrote in message
>>news:a158au$2sv9$1@news.tht.net...
>>> In article ,
>>> Paul Abeles  wrote:
>>> >--
>>> >tantum religio potuit suadere malorum
>>> >"BERNARDZ"  wrote in message
>>> >news:MPG.16a06202202e45d698aa58@NEWS...
>>> >> In article <3hhZ7.60002$HW3.39283@newsfeeds.bigpond.com>,
>>> >> yme@spamoff.com says...
>>> >> > Now the big question, is kosher wine better?
>>> >>
>>> >> Go to the shop and try it.
>>> >
>>> >No, I wont drink wine touched by a Jew.
>>> >
>>> >Now doesnt that sound racist, but its actually Jewish law not to drink
>>wine
>>> >touched by a non Jew.
>>>
>>> Actually, it is not. I've poured wine for Jewish friends, who laugh
>>> every time some bigot trots this one out.

That doesn't mean that they 'touched' your wine does it?. 

>>
>>Ignorance is bliss. Im sure there are many Jews who ignore this law however
>>most don't.
>>Before you argue with me on Jewish laws try learning some.
>
>Sorry, Bubba, but the assertion is meaningless, since few Jews in my
>experience, and I've met several thousand in the past few years, pay
>any attention to such laws. While some ultra-orthodox Jews may, I've
>never run across those who do. The statement is offered only in the
>hope it will denegrate Jews, not because it was relevant to the
>thread.

Oh yeah, in YOUR experience - and apparently according to your
statement you've had wine with several thousand Jews in the past few
years who don't pay attention to the wine law? Now I understand your
posts. You're drunk.

tyler


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On Fri, 4 Jan 2002 21:48:11 +0000 (UTC), kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org
(Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:

>In article ,
>tyler   wrote:
>
>[...]
>
>>Yeah, but his determination of destroying Jews came largely from their
>>influence in the communist party. Secondly was their inability to
>>assimilate into society thus forming a nation within a nation. 
>
>I disagree. Hitler was raised within a strict Catholic environment,
>and saw Jews, literally, as the spawn of Satan. He hated them long
>before he became politically astute enough to associate Jews and
>Communism.
>
>German Jews were the most successfully integrated in all of Europe, so
>your second contention is also incorrect.

Here is a post by Kenneth McVay in which he blames the Catholic
upbringing of Adolf Hitler as a reason that he hated Jews.

I'm sure most Catholics are offended by this and he should issue an
apology immediatly.

tyler



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On Fri, 4 Jan 2002 21:48:11 +0000 (UTC), kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org
(Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:

>In article ,
>tyler   wrote:
>
>[...]
>
>>Yeah, but his determination of destroying Jews came largely from their
>>influence in the communist party. Secondly was their inability to
>>assimilate into society thus forming a nation within a nation. 
>
>I disagree. Hitler was raised within a strict Catholic environment,
>and saw Jews, literally, as the spawn of Satan. He hated them long
>before he became politically astute enough to associate Jews and
>Communism.
>
>German Jews were the most successfully integrated in all of Europe, so
>your second contention is also incorrect.

Kenneth McVay, Zionist,  Blames Catholicism for Hitler!

Here is a post by Kenneth McVay of the website niskor.org in which he
blames the Catholic upbringing of Adolf Hitler as a reason that he
hated Jews. By extension the holocaust. Apparently Catholics consider
Jews as the spawn of Satan. Gee, I don't recall that in my Sunday
school classes...

In fact his second paragraph contradicts the first if you think about
it.

I'm sure most Catholics are offended by this and he should issue an
apology immediatly.

tyler



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On Fri, 04 Jan 2002 06:10:02 GMT, His Divine Shadow
 wrote:

>His Merciful Shadow Fell Upon Paul Abeles on 1/3/02 03:52:
>
>> --
>> tantum religio potuit suadere malorum
>> "Kenneth McVay, OBC"  wrote in message
>> news:a10u18
>> 
>> So basically your implying that your country has inadequate health laws
>> compared to Judaic law.
>> Any intelligent, educated person understands the basic laws of food
>> preparation, we don't need some Rabbi to decide for us.
>> I've eaten shell fish, pork etc. for 50 years and never had a dose of food
>> poisoning.
>
>Who fucking cares?

RIght, so why don't you fuck off then eh wot?


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On Thu, 3 Jan 2002 16:51:25 +0000 (UTC), kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org
(Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:

>In article ,
>Paul Abeles  wrote:
>>--
>>tantum religio potuit suadere malorum
>>"Kenneth McVay, OBC"  wrote in message
>>news:a10u18
>>
>>So basically your implying that your country has inadequate health laws
>>compared to Judaic law.
>>Any intelligent, educated person understands the basic laws of food
>>preparation, we don't need some Rabbi to decide for us.
>>I've eaten shell fish, pork etc. for 50 years and never had a dose of food
>>poisoning.
>
>I imply nothing of the sort. I point out that kosher food is perceived
>to be healthier by its consumers.
>
>I also point out that I find kosher meats far more flavourful than
>non-kosher meats :-)

How would you know? You don't eat non kosher meats.
I don't percieve kosher foods as being healthier. So I guess I'm noit
a consumer in your twisted logic.

tyler



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On 3 Jan 2002 08:24:06 -0800, yitzgood@lycos.com (Yitzchak Goodman)
wrote:

>tyler  wrote in message 
>
>> Your a zionist extremist no better than Beria or Begin.
>
>Beria was a Gentile.
>
>Yitz

Yeah right. And you're a putz.


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On Fri, 04 Jan 2002 06:09:00 GMT, His Divine Shadow
 wrote:

>His Merciful Shadow Fell Upon tyler on 1/3/02 02:03:
>
>> You f*cking zionist extremists should visit  the JDL leader that's in
>> jail and get your next orders.
>
>Uh huh. It's not about race at all is it, dimbulb?


Zionists are racists. So with zionism it IS racism you fuckhead.
As for a divine shadow. it must be the shadow of jehovah's ass that
you portray so well. 

*plonk*

tyler



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On Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:45:34 -0700, "John Fleming" 
wrote:

>"tyler"  wrote in message
>news:bm783u8ppr0ou4n85fao0k1g95cfc66upm@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 18 Dec 2001 18:50:08 -0700, "John Fleming"
>>  wrote:
>
>> What a bunch of nonsense. The federal cases were used because the
>> worst offenders are charged with federal crimes. This is the mass
>> murderers, child molestors etc. You don't need provincial stats. The
>> rest of your post is quite ignorant.
>
>Let's put it this way Tyler.
>
>Along the way, I've done a bit of work actually compiling some of these
>statistics.
>
>That doesn't make me an expert in the field by any means, but I think I can
>safely say I know a bit more about offender statistics than the average
>bear.

Let's put it this way, so have I John. And I know better than you
apparently how the gov't uses statistics to lie. The attempts are
quite ludicrous. try and get a mind.

tyler


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Subject: BOYCOTT THE COR- Religious Tax on Our Homegrown Canadian Food!
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BOYCOTT THE COR- Religious Tax on Our Homegrown Canadian Food!

Boycott COR! Many Canadian and American food products are certified by
the Council of Orthodox Rabbis. Look at the label of Heinz ketchup or
Windsor Salt. You will see COR followed by a couple of numbers. This
means that the Rabbis have an inspection system for these products
that YOU the consumer are paying for. The food inspection occurs from
the source through transport right to the finished product.  We are
talking pots and pans, food process, everything. It has nothing to do
with nutrition and everything to do with religious practices!  The
Rabbi Council takes a cut of the profits from every part of the food
chain right to the shelves on the grocery store. YOU pay the costs! 

Boycott COR! The unknowing Canadian population is paying for COR and
it has nothing to do with the quality of the food or its nutrition.
Kosher certification is a religious practice on how to prepare foods
and what foods not to include. The overwhelming majority of Canadians
does not follow the Jewish Orthodox religion and do not care about
kosher certification. If they did, there would be no pork chops in the
meat market. When I go to any supermarket, I see quite a lot of pork
products. The majority of food products, for now, also do not have the
COR certification. Proof enough that we do not care to pay for it!

Boycott COR! COR is a religion-imposed tax, which has nothing to do
with nutrition or Canadian law. It is also a secret tax as no one has
informed the general population. Did you know about it? How long have
YOU been buying COR approved products and paying for a religious
practice that you do not participate in? Please stop purchasing any
product with the COR abbreviation. 

Boycott COR! The practicing Jews and zionists who insist that kosher
certification costs nothing are liars who are simply denying the
obvious. They will attack anyone who complains about COR and
immediately label him or her as anti-semites. Calmly inform them that
this has nothing to do with race but everything to do with consumer
rights. Consumers have the right to be informed about COR and what it
costs them. Why is it so secret? WHAT IS THE COST???

Boycott COR! Any certification costs money.  Your driver's license
costs money. Food inspectors cost money. Car inspection costs money.
So does food inspection. It is obvious that the COR process costs
money. Only an ignorant child would not realize this. Yet the
religious zealots that defend the secret religious tax on food think
their arguments will be believed.  They say the costs are negligible.
On a million jars of ketchup? I do not think so and neither should
you. The costs are significant. It is like taking a penny out of
everyone's bank account in Canada every day. I would like that, no
wonder the Orthodox Rabbis like that too! 

Boycott COR! So far I have only been exposed to certain defenders of
COR who are nothing more than religious zealots and zionist racists
who insist on the burden of costs to be placed squarely on the
unknowing gentile whether they be Muslims, Catholics, Protestants,
Hindi, Buddhists or whatever.. 

Boycott COR! The zionist and religious zealot's objections are so
strenuous that I suspect the costs are high indeed. "The more you
squeeze the louder the pig squeals". The rabbis are feeding at the
trough at the expense of the Canadian consumer and it is no wonder
that some of their followers become rabid in defending the kosher
certification. If the tax did not exist then they would have to pay
for it themselves!  What a calamity!!! Orthodox Jews having to pay for
their own religious practices! That is just not the way to go! In
addition, they complain about being stereotyped. I wonder why? 

Boycott COR! The defrauding of the Canadian public and excuses offered
by the zionist racists and religious freaks are transparent. Millions
of Canadians and Americans are completely unaware of COR, Council of
Orthodox Rabbi, certification of foods that are massed produced. An
extremely small orthodox religious minority has literally hijacked the
food industry and has managed to place a religious stamp of approval
in an area where only nutrition and composition of foods is important.

Boycott COR! It is disgusting! The defenders of COR claim that this
process costs the consumer very little and this insults the
intelligence of Canadians everywhere. The costs should not be born by
anyone who does not eat kosher foods. 

Boycott COR! Denial of the obvious is not going to work this time. It
is time to stop purchasing COR certified products immediately. Let the
Orthodox Jews pay for their own food. We are all free to practice our
religions. They have a right to practice theirs wherever they like.
But certainly, they should not practice it on the backs of the
Canadian consumer!  No one should be "free" to have others pay for
religious practices - yet COR exists today.   Boycott COR!  

tyler



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On Sat, 05 Jan 2002 06:25:28 GMT, al51@nospam.cornell.edu (Adam
Littman) wrote:

>In article , His Divine Shadow  wrote:
>>His Merciful Shadow Fell Upon tyler on 1/4/02 18:07:
>>
>>> On Fri, 4 Jan 2002 21:53:30 +0000 (UTC), kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org
>>> (Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:
>>> 
>>>> In article ,
>>>> tyler   wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 04 Jan 2002 09:45:55 GMT, al51@nospam.cornell.edu (Adam
>>>>> Littman) wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> In article , tyler
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:49:22 +0000 (UTC), kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org
>>>>>>> (Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:
>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> It is my intention to clearly inform Canadians that they are paying
>>>>> for COR. Zionists and practicing Jews have accused me of anti-Semitism
>>>>> just because I consider this to be unfair.  Their accusations have
>>>>> shown them to be the racists that the United Nations has confirmed
>>>>> them to be.
>>>> 
>>>> I accuse you of antisemitism because you stereotype Jews in order to
>>>> denegrate them. 
>>> 
>>> Well of course that's your opinion because that is the only way you
>>> can argue against anyone who objects to a religious tax on food.
>>
>>
>>You're a moron, tyler. There is no religious tax. Your incipient racism is
>>blinding you, but you knew that, didn't you? Never let the facts get in the
>>way of a useful lie, eh simpelton?
>
>Nothing "incipient" about it. The guy is a full-blown, no holds barred, 
>Jew-hating moron. No question.


Keep on screaming that everyone hates you and everyone will.

tyler


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On Sat, 05 Jan 2002 06:23:55 GMT, al51@nospam.cornell.edu (Adam
Littman) wrote:

>In article , tyler  wrote:
>>On Fri, 4 Jan 2002 21:53:30 +0000 (UTC), kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org
>>(Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:
>>
>>>In article ,
>>>tyler   wrote:
>>>>On Fri, 04 Jan 2002 09:45:55 GMT, al51@nospam.cornell.edu (Adam
>>>>Littman) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In article , tyler
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>On Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:49:22 +0000 (UTC), kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org
>>>>>>(Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:
>>>
>>
>>>>It is my intention to clearly inform Canadians that they are paying
>>>>for COR. Zionists and practicing Jews have accused me of anti-Semitism
>>>>just because I consider this to be unfair.  Their accusations have
>>>>shown them to be the racists that the United Nations has confirmed
>>>>them to be.
>>>
>>>I accuse you of antisemitism because you stereotype Jews in order to
>>>denegrate them. 
>>
>>Well of course that's your opinion because that is the only way you
>>can argue against anyone who objects to a religious tax on food. You
>>are a professed zionist Mr. McVay. The United Nations has declared
>>zionism to be the same racism.  Therefor according to the UN  you are
>>a  racist. According to your posts and responses to me I accuse you of
>>being a racist.
>>
>>None of this changes the fact that the COR tax is unfair and
>>unjustified for the majority of Canadians. Only a racist would say
>>that it is. And that is your position only  because it is your ethnic
>>group or zionist membership  that defends the imposition of the tax.
>>You are clearly the racist here.
>
>Wow. This guy is a consistent moron. He keeps thinking that an endorsement 
>that is entirely voluntary is a "tax".
>
>*plonk*

Are you dunking for shit again littman? It sounds like it. Better make
sure it comes from a rabbi's ass to be sure it's certified.



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On Sun, 06 Jan 2002 09:19:06 GMT, Patrick Gallagher
 wrote:

>tyler wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 05 Jan 2002 06:25:28 GMT, al51@nospam.cornell.edu (Adam
>> Littman) wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>>In article , His Divine Shadow  wrote:
>>>
>>>>His Merciful Shadow Fell Upon tyler on 1/4/02 18:07:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>On Fri, 4 Jan 2002 21:53:30 +0000 (UTC), kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org
>>>>>(Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>In article ,
>>>>>>tyler   wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Fri, 04 Jan 2002 09:45:55 GMT, al51@nospam.cornell.edu (Adam
>>>>>>>Littman) wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>In article , tyler
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:49:22 +0000 (UTC), kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org
>>>>>>>>>(Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>It is my intention to clearly inform Canadians that they are paying
>>>>>>>for COR. Zionists and practicing Jews have accused me of anti-Semitism
>>>>>>>just because I consider this to be unfair.  Their accusations have
>>>>>>>shown them to be the racists that the United Nations has confirmed
>>>>>>>them to be.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>I accuse you of antisemitism because you stereotype Jews in order to
>>>>>>denegrate them. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>Well of course that's your opinion because that is the only way you
>>>>>can argue against anyone who objects to a religious tax on food.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>You're a moron, tyler. There is no religious tax. Your incipient racism is
>>>>blinding you, but you knew that, didn't you? Never let the facts get in the
>>>>way of a useful lie, eh simpelton?
>>>>
>>>Nothing "incipient" about it. The guy is a full-blown, no holds barred, 
>>>Jew-hating moron. No question.
>>>
>> 
>> 
>> Keep on screaming that everyone hates you and everyone will.
>> 
>> tyler
>> 
>
>   You are so full of shit - they're calling you on your complete and 
>utter bullshit, and you're turning it into a religious debate. 

Yes dear.

The only 
>evidence of any wrongdoing you've managed to produce is from Nazi, 
>Neo-Nazi, and Racist propaganda sites, and as compelling as their 
>arguments may be, they're still propaganda, composed of half truths and 
>falsehoods that sound close enough to the truth that someone without the 
>intelligence or wisdom to actually investigate what they're saying 
>through unbiased sources might actually fall for what they have to say. 
>You strike me as a somewhat intelligent human being, but if you've 
>fallen for any of the crap that all those zealots are trying to push 
>onto society, you've got a weaker mind than most.
>

The crap from zionists is even worse. Why don't you include their
sites?


>   The only problem in our society (or rather, the biggest problem) is 
>that people don't realize that they're the same - are you Christian?  

Really? Why don't people who insist on kosher certification consider
themselves to be the same? You are spouting a truly idiotic 'lets feel
good about ourselves' 60's philosophy that only works with LSD in a
society that uses the work of the 3rd world to finance its excesses. .

If 
>so, your religion is BASED UPON the Jewish religion - the edicts that 
>define the requirements of Kosher are in your bible too. It's not some 
>whacked out Jewish manifesto, it's the Old Testament, a Whacked out 
>Jewish, Christian, Jehovah's Witness, etc. Manifesto. What people are 
>failing to realize is that there is only one race on this planet - 
>human. Anyone who commits any sort of act against anyone for any reason 
>is committing a crime against the one race - humans. Sure, there are 
>differences between different regional varieties of human, but they're 
>superficial. There are different religious beliefs, but they're pretty 
>much all the same once you get to the core of those religions.
>
>   How was the last paragraph relevant to your "Kosher Tax" bullshit? 
>It's the reason behind the invention of this kosher tax by arrogent, 
>moronic groups of people that fear things that are different so much 
>that they can't see it's really not different. They take ever 
>opportunity to make it appear different, and try to suck in as many weak 
>minded fools as they can, in order to spread their bullshit further - 
>and you have been wholly sucked in - congratulations, you're doing the 
>work of lesser people trying to undo all the progress we've made towards 
>a well adjusted, integrated society. You're helping propagate lies and 
>untruths. You're helping them turn back the page, increase violence in 

Not at all. The COR is not an untruth it is a reality. Look at your
food labels and get pack to me on that will you sport?

>our world, and build up racial and religious mistrust. You're helping 
>them take a somewhat safe world, and turn it into a violent, evil, 
>uncomfortable place to live. It's bad enough already without this crap 
>in it.

Ask the Palestinians about their view. Is the word evil and violent in
reality? You are comfotable in yours, just make sure you thank the
hundreds of gulags in China filled with Chinese political prisoners
that make your cheap products for you. Don't forget to thank the
thousands of Indian children that are deformed and die young while
making products for you. I can continue but why bother? You have no
idea of what the world really is and like to like in a cushy cocoon of
indifference.
>
>Let it go

It should be let go by the instigators. The COR tax must go.

>
>Patrick

tyler


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From: tyler 
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Subject: Re: Kenneth McVay: Zionist Racist
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On Sun, 06 Jan 2002 17:01:30 GMT, Patrick Gallagher
 wrote:

>Much like the garbage that's spewed on those website promoting hatred, 
>he's good at twisting words to make them sound like they have meaning 
>even when they're complete bullshit... it requires at least some 
>creativity and intelligence to manage that... unfortunately, that 
>intelligence and creativity is completely wasted on a zealot like him...
>
>Patrick
>

Nice to masturbate with a friend eh patrick?  


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From: tyler 
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The following links show how Simon Wiesenthal  regularly distorts
evidence used in his publications on anti-semitism and the holocaust.
No one denies the holocaust happened yet Wiesenthal continues to
spread lies and misinformation in order to distorts certain aspects.
He discredits the memory of the many nations who lost their citizens
to the death camps.

 Many pictures have been doctored by Wiesnthal and his followers and
reproduced in several different volumes spanning decades. 

The doctored pictures and proof of Wiesnthal's lies can be most
clearly viewed at:

http://www.ukar.org/greenb03.shtml

The above link shows how Wiesenthal copied a picture from a 1981 text
and included in his 1997 text. He pencilled in smoke and claimed it
came from an oven. He did not give the source of the picture. Clearly
the original had no smoke. 

Pictures from various publications on articles about concentration
camps are also shown in their original and doctored formats. It is
clear that Wiesnthal has no credibility and  many publications are
suspect because of his activity. That's too bad. A critical reader
cannot help but wonder what other documents Wiesnthal and zionists in
general have doctored.

Because of these poor attempts at doctoring pictures and lies that
describe them all printed material is now suspect.

tyler


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From: tyler 
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Subject: Re: There is no Jewish COR cabal! (cuddles@salmahayeksknockers.edu) writes:
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On 6 Jan 2002 21:35:34 GMT, bo774@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Kelly Bert
Manning) wrote:
STUFF CUT OUT
>
>Most religions have a practicial aspect, particularly in bygone ages
>when ignorance was more common than understanding. Religious dietary 
>laws often have some beneficial effect. Eg. making cows sacred protected 
>the milk supply and allowed people to obtain more food in another way. 
>Pork is a very dangerous food if proper sanitation and animal husbandry 
>methods are not used. Having said that, religions seem to get it wrong
>at least as often as they get it right. The fact that they had some
>benefit in the past is no excuse for hanging on to superstition as a
>basis for personal actions. The few hits don't make the religion true,
>it simply shows that religion has been useful as a way of manipulating the
>behaviour of believers, for good or for bad.
>

Interesting that last year Jews were allowed to eat Ham after 6,000
years. So what does that say about kosher certification? Steeped in
ignorance? No not at all. Kosher certification is a way of keeping an
identity and a feeling of separateness.

tyler


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From: tyler 
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On Sun, 06 Jan 2002 22:06:59 GMT, His Divine Shadow
 wrote:

>His Merciful Shadow Fell Upon tyler on 1/6/02 01:57:
> 
>>>>> Well of course that's your opinion because that is the only way you
>>>>> can argue against anyone who objects to a religious tax on food.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> You're a moron, tyler. There is no religious tax. Your incipient racism is
>>>> blinding you, but you knew that, didn't you? Never let the facts get in the
>>>> way of a useful lie, eh simpelton?
>>> 
>>> Nothing "incipient" about it. The guy is a full-blown, no holds barred,
>>> Jew-hating moron. No question.
>> 
>> 
>> Keep on screaming that everyone hates you and everyone will.
>
>You make it so easy to hate you, bigot. You knowingly spread a racist lie
>and are incapable of realizing you've been duped, or perhaps DO realise it
>and need the attention.
>
>Goodbye, dimbulb.

You are indeed correct. The COR tax is a religious and racist lie
imposed on unsuspecting consumers.  It is a lie that it increases
profit. It is a lie that it is needed. It is a lie that people know
about it. It is a lie that people support it. I am spreading the word
about its existence. Forgive me but someone has to inform the duped.

Bye.

tyler


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You asked for it! Proof that COR religous tax on food costs consumers

It has been said by zionists and orthodox that the COR tax on Canadian
food does not cost the consumer. Of course this is ridiculous and the
proof is easily found.

COR stands for Council of Orthodox Jews. They certify foods as kosher.
Foods such as Heinz Ketchup and Windsor Salt, and non foods such as
aluminum foil and bleach, have COR certification. Look at the label,
if you see COR followed by a number then the manufacturer pays rabbis
to inspect food, facilities and preparation methods. If they conform
to religious law then the product is certified as kosher. 



The following has been snipped from:

http://www.kosherquest.org/html/Reliable_Kosher_Symbols.htm

Pay attention to the fact that kosher certification, in other words
rabbinical organizations, can derive profit. COR certification costs
are passed along to the consumer by the manufacturer and a religious
organization is profitting. Canadian consumers must boyocott any COR
certified food product to stop a religion from hijiacking Canadian
food production and unfairly profiting from the sale of food items.

The website explains:

Once contact with a certifying agency is made, the detective work
begins. The manufacturer must supply a complete, detailed list of
every ingredient in the product, including preservatives, release
agents, stabilizers or other inert ingredients. In addition, every
step in the manufacturing process, every cleansing agent used on the
equipment and all other products produced on the same premises require
close investigation and supervision. 

The certifying agency must track down each ingredient to its ultimate
source. If, for instance, the ingredient is meat or a meat by-product,
the item cannot be kosher unless the meat source itself is strictly
kosher. Wine and wine by-products, cheese, and some dairy by-products
(such as whey) present the same problem. Any oil used in the
manufacture of foodstuffs has to be traced back to the oil processor.
The supervising agency must conduct a complete and intense
investigation into the origin of all the ingredients.

The results of all these investigations are forwarded to the rabbinic
authority (or board) of the supervising agency. If changes in
ingredients or processes are required, the manufacturer must make the
changes before the agency will do further work. Once all is
acceptable, the rabbinic authority will determine the amount of
on-plant supervision necessary. This information is written into a
contract and then sent to the manufacturer. 


The cost of certification to the manufacturer is minimal. For
non-profit agencies, cost depends on the amount of on-site work.
Agencies making a profit might have a minimum annual charge and fees
depending on the gross annual sales of the product. 

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

The cost is minimial to the manufacturer because they are passed on to
the consumer. The consumer pays 100% of the costs, no wonder they say
that! 

...and whoever heard of a rabbinical agency not making money. They
likely all have a minimum annual charge and fees based on the gross
annual sales of the product.

The website claims that certification increases sales. Ask your
friends and neighbours if they  know what COR means. Unless they are
Jewish, they won't have any idea. So much for sales being increased
because something is certified.

tyler
the consumer watchdog!!! 


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On 5 Jan 2002 21:57:13 -0800, yitzgood@lycos.com (Yitzchak Goodman)
wrote:

>tyler  wrote in message news:...
>> On 3 Jan 2002 08:24:06 -0800, yitzgood@lycos.com (Yitzchak Goodman)
>> wrote:
>> 
>> >tyler  wrote in message 
>> >
>> >> Your a zionist extremist no better than Beria or Begin.
>> >
>> >Beria was a Gentile.
>> >
>> >Yitz
>> 
>> Yeah right. And you're a putz.
>
>Beria is not identified as a Jew in 
>any historical source that I have ever
>seen. I have seen references to rumors
>and speculation on this point since his
>ethnic origins were a bit obscure, but
>that doesn't mean much. Saying "Yeah right"
>means even less. And you are a shvantz.
>
>Yitz

Ooooo. More insults! Cool! 

Hey, at least I didn't have my dad mutilate my penis as everyone
watched and partied! Must be why you're so vindictive.

tyler


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On Sun, 06 Jan 2002 03:56:40 GMT, His Divine Shadow
 wrote:

>His Merciful Shadow Fell Upon tyler on 1/4/02 22:14:
>
>> On Fri, 04 Jan 2002 06:09:00 GMT, His Divine Shadow
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> His Merciful Shadow Fell Upon tyler on 1/3/02 02:03:
>>> 
>>>> You f*cking zionist extremists should visit  the JDL leader that's in
>>>> jail and get your next orders.
>>> 
>>> Uh huh. It's not about race at all is it, dimbulb?
>> 
>> 
>> Zionists are racists. So with zionism it IS racism you fuckhead.
>
>Listen fuckhead, you are a racist and you defend a racist myth, then claim
>it's NOT about race. Your attempts to hide behind semantics and lame logic
>don't change that fact, unless you are truly so fucking stupid that you
>don't realise you are the pawn of neo-Nazi scumbags by continuing to
>promulgate a racist urban legend.
>
>
>> *plonk*
>
>Right. This is the attention you so desire. Stop pretending you don't enjoy
>the punishment. You imagine that being shown to be a racist somehow raises
>your worth in here. You would be wrong.

Yeah, Eeeevrybody hates you. Look out! Blame everyone for your
troubles! 

As for punishment, at least I didn't have my dad mutilate my penis
when I was 15 while everyone hooted and partied. That must screw you
guys up for life. I suppose that's the purpose. I mean if you can't
trust dear old dad who can you trust? 

Paranoia runs deep, right to the crotch!

tyler


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From: tyler 
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Subject: Re: The Council of Orthodox Rabbis: Kosher Tax on Canadians?
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On Sat, 05 Jan 2002 13:09:41 GMT, al51@nospam.cornell.edu (Adam
Littman) wrote:

>In article , "James B Guthrie"  wrote:
>>
>>"Patrick Gallagher"  wrote in message
>>news:3C36377B.3000901@telusplanet.net...
>>
>>> what added cost? over the course of your lifetime, accidentally buying
>>> kosher foods might cost you 5 cents... if you're blind and buy a LOT of
>>> them... there is no hidden tax - the price would still be the same
>>> without kosher certification - last time I checked, grocery stores
>>> operate on a whole cent pricing scheme, and dropping kosher
>>> certification wouldn't lower the price by a millionth of a cent, so it
>>> wouldn't reduce the price to you even a little bit. If anything, the
>>> prices would go up, because they wouldn't be selling as much product,
>>> thanks to losing part of their market.
>>
>>I really hesitate to enter this thread, as it arises from trolling by a
>>bigot here in Edmonton. However, it is worth noting that the New York Times
>>has run articles recently about increased reaction in Israel to "shake down"
>>operations by various ultra-orthodox councils of rabbis who are "suggesting"
>
>And the reason you put "Suggesting" in quotes? Gee, you wouldn't be trying to 
>imply that they were trying to _force_ anybody to do something would you? 
>Because implying that would be a bit slanderous.
>
>>Kosher certification to businesses offering products that are not items that
>>have heretofore been considered subject to concern even by traditionally
>>orthodox observers. One example cited was toilet paper, but there were
>>household chemicals in the list too.
>
>Gee, like the ones used to wash dishes? Not something I care about, but 
>someone who keeps strictly kosher might.
>
>>Some of the commentators viewed this as a corruption of the original
>>religious concept, and tending to bring ridicule upon those who were
>>generally observant.
>>The proselytising rabbinical groups used a similar argument - the cost is
>>very low and it does not harm those who do not care about such things - but
>>the businesses involved viewed it as a form of extortion that it was cheaper
>>to pay than to fight about.
>
>Fight _whom_ about? Are you claiming that these Orthodox Rabbis were going 
>around breaking kneecaps or something? 
>
>Yeah, some extortion "Psst, hey mister, you really should buy our endorsement, 
>it would be a shame if something unpleasant were to happen to your product, 
>like it not having our endorsement".
>
>My God, all those Hollywood agents calling companies saying "My client would 
>be great for endorsing your product", I guess we better throw them in jail for 
>_extortion_.
>
>You, sir, are an ass.


True to form! You accuse anyone and everyone! 

I can acknowledge what brought you to this state.  I didn't have my
dad mutilate my penis when I was 15 while everyone hooted and partied
so I can only speculate on the effects! That must screw you guys up
for life. I suppose that's the purpose of ritual circumcision. I mean
if you can't trust dear old dad who can you trust? 

Paranoia runs deep, right to the crotch!

Poor Littman. An American at Cornell howling at everyone that is
critical of the very religious system that mutilated his own penis.
There's a psychological diagnosis for this. Identifying with the
oppressor/torturer/kidnapper. 

The purpose of penile mutilation is to create a psychological bond of
terror  that you cannot escape. Your posts are simply proofs of how
well that bond holds.


tyler 


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Subject: Re: BOYCOTT THE COR- Religious Tax on Our Homegrown Canadian Food!
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Thanks Emerald. Just keep on paying and moo moo mooing along.

Only dead fish go with the flow.

tyler


On Sun, 6 Jan 2002 01:05:10 -0700, "Emerald" 
wrote:

>BOYCOTT TYLER!  he appears to be on something.  Another one blocked.
>"tyler"  wrote in message
>news:2kkf3u8cfodb5tn6a19dp2akp25011e1ot@4ax.com...
>> BOYCOTT THE COR- Religious Tax on Our Homegrown Canadian Food!
>>
>> Boycott COR! Many Canadian and American food products are certified by
>> the Council of Orthodox Rabbis. Look at the label of Heinz ketchup or
>> Windsor Salt. You will see COR followed by a couple of numbers. This
>> means that the Rabbis have an inspection system for these products
>> that YOU the consumer are paying for. The food inspection occurs from
>> the source through transport right to the finished product.  We are
>> talking pots and pans, food process, everything. It has nothing to do
>> with nutrition and everything to do with religious practices!  The
>> Rabbi Council takes a cut of the profits from every part of the food
>> chain right to the shelves on the grocery store. YOU pay the costs!
>>
>> Boycott COR! The unknowing Canadian population is paying for COR and
>> it has nothing to do with the quality of the food or its nutrition.
>> Kosher certification is a religious practice on how to prepare foods
>> and what foods not to include. The overwhelming majority of Canadians
>> does not follow the Jewish Orthodox religion and do not care about
>> kosher certification. If they did, there would be no pork chops in the
>> meat market. When I go to any supermarket, I see quite a lot of pork
>> products. The majority of food products, for now, also do not have the
>> COR certification. Proof enough that we do not care to pay for it!
>>
>> Boycott COR! COR is a religion-imposed tax, which has nothing to do
>> with nutrition or Canadian law. It is also a secret tax as no one has
>> informed the general population. Did you know about it? How long have
>> YOU been buying COR approved products and paying for a religious
>> practice that you do not participate in? Please stop purchasing any
>> product with the COR abbreviation.
>>
>> Boycott COR! The practicing Jews and zionists who insist that kosher
>> certification costs nothing are liars who are simply denying the
>> obvious. They will attack anyone who complains about COR and
>> immediately label him or her as anti-semites. Calmly inform them that
>> this has nothing to do with race but everything to do with consumer
>> rights. Consumers have the right to be informed about COR and what it
>> costs them. Why is it so secret? WHAT IS THE COST???
>>
>> Boycott COR! Any certification costs money.  Your driver's license
>> costs money. Food inspectors cost money. Car inspection costs money.
>> So does food inspection. It is obvious that the COR process costs
>> money. Only an ignorant child would not realize this. Yet the
>> religious zealots that defend the secret religious tax on food think
>> their arguments will be believed.  They say the costs are negligible.
>> On a million jars of ketchup? I do not think so and neither should
>> you. The costs are significant. It is like taking a penny out of
>> everyone's bank account in Canada every day. I would like that, no
>> wonder the Orthodox Rabbis like that too!
>>
>> Boycott COR! So far I have only been exposed to certain defenders of
>> COR who are nothing more than religious zealots and zionist racists
>> who insist on the burden of costs to be placed squarely on the
>> unknowing gentile whether they be Muslims, Catholics, Protestants,
>> Hindi, Buddhists or whatever..
>>
>> Boycott COR! The zionist and religious zealot's objections are so
>> strenuous that I suspect the costs are high indeed. "The more you
>> squeeze the louder the pig squeals". The rabbis are feeding at the
>> trough at the expense of the Canadian consumer and it is no wonder
>> that some of their followers become rabid in defending the kosher
>> certification. If the tax did not exist then they would have to pay
>> for it themselves!  What a calamity!!! Orthodox Jews having to pay for
>> their own religious practices! That is just not the way to go! In
>> addition, they complain about being stereotyped. I wonder why?
>>
>> Boycott COR! The defrauding of the Canadian public and excuses offered
>> by the zionist racists and religious freaks are transparent. Millions
>> of Canadians and Americans are completely unaware of COR, Council of
>> Orthodox Rabbi, certification of foods that are massed produced. An
>> extremely small orthodox religious minority has literally hijacked the
>> food industry and has managed to place a religious stamp of approval
>> in an area where only nutrition and composition of foods is important.
>>
>> Boycott COR! It is disgusting! The defenders of COR claim that this
>> process costs the consumer very little and this insults the
>> intelligence of Canadians everywhere. The costs should not be born by
>> anyone who does not eat kosher foods.
>>
>> Boycott COR! Denial of the obvious is not going to work this time. It
>> is time to stop purchasing COR certified products immediately. Let the
>> Orthodox Jews pay for their own food. We are all free to practice our
>> religions. They have a right to practice theirs wherever they like.
>> But certainly, they should not practice it on the backs of the
>> Canadian consumer!  No one should be "free" to have others pay for
>> religious practices - yet COR exists today.   Boycott COR!
>>
>> tyler
>>
>



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I refer to federal statistics that base prisoner count on charges. Any
other statistic bases prisoner count on transfers. If a prisoner is
transferred 10 times he is counted as 10 prisoners.

Furthermore, provincial statistics are irrelevant as my post dealt
with major crimes such as child molestation and mass murder. These are
federal charges.

A person has to sift  throught the reports to find what is real and
that is what I have done. Instead of simply useing numbers provided
you have to dig to find out how the numbers were first recorded.

The government statistics on prisoner count all contain a disclaimer
that the numbers are not accurate. That verifies my distrust. Go read
it. 

Again, the only valid numbers are federal charges. Criminal charges
are recorded in the courts for each individual. The individual is not
counted more than once. Prisoner statistics are not accurate. Can you
get that now?

 So my claim that most government statistics are useless is true. The
numbers behind them may be true or false. You have to dig to find the
truth.

That seems to be too difficult for you to comprehend? How I can
distrust statistics yet use the numbers that generate them? Perhaps
you need a referesher course on expermintal design and statistics.

tyler



On Sat, 5 Jan 2002 11:46:40 -0700, "John Fleming" 
wrote:

><"Joe Green"@sprintmail.com> wrote in message
>news:3C36AAC7.D090BFA7@sprintmail.com...
>> tyler wrote:
>
>[snip]
>
>> I have to agree with tyler, John, some of your posts indicate that you
>> treat government-released data as actual fact. I suspect that much of
>> what the government cranks out, ANY government, has "spin" on it.
>
>May I refer you back to the post tyler used to start this thread.
>
>Tyler was only too happy to use government statistics to back up his point
>when it suited his purpose.  Then he turns around and calls the same
>statistics lies.
>
>You can't have it both ways.
>
>Either the numbers are made up, or they are accurate within the *context of
>the definitions and methodology used to generate them*.
>
>In other words, knowing how a statistic is arrived at is just as important
>as knowing what that statistic is.  And that is true for *any*
>statistic--not just government ones.



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On Tue, 08 Jan 2002 13:21:08 -0700, fuck you tyler wrote:

>On Fri, 04 Jan 2002 06:59:23 GMT, tyler 
>wrote:
>
>>Hitler hated the Jews because of their influence in communism and the
>>Bolshevik revolution.  All of the NKVD, SMERSH and future KGB leaders
>>were Jews. Everyone knows that the most brutal secret police force in
>>history was created by a Polish Jew Dzherzhinsky. Hitler considered
>>communism to be the world's greatest threat. He also predicted that
>>Russian communism would disintegrate. Read parts of Mein Kampf for
>>more detail.  It's rambling, somewhat incoherent but gives insight
>>into what motivated him. As they say: know thy enemy.
>
>
>Yeah, and his name is tyler.

wooow! you're the one that wants to f*ck me. Gosh darn. I'm not into
turd burglars.  You'll have to troll the rabbinical schools for that
kind of action.

tyler 



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On 8 Jan 2002 20:38:47 -0800, PinkElephantsCanTapDance@hotmail.com
(King Nimrod) wrote:

>You're so far in the Dark,
>You might as well be a caveman!
>
>That goes for the counter opinion too.
>

Caveman? What an unoriginal dipyid. 

>kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote in message news:...
>> In article <3C34D934.1050500@telusplanet.net>,
>> Patrick Gallagher   wrote:
>> 
>> [...]
>> 
>> >  Just for the record... I seriously doubt Hitler hated the Jews at 
>> >all... he just needed money for his insane war effort, and exterminating 
>> >the people with the most available money was a good way in his mind to 
>> >raise funds... also keep in mind his mind was half rotted with syphilis 
>> >at that point in time... If the aryans had been the wealthier group, he 
>> >very likely would have exterminated them instead. Anyone who thinks he 
>> >was anything more than an insane idiot needs some serious head 
>> >examination of their own.
>> 
>> There is no doubt that Hitler was determined to destroy Jews and
>> Judaism - he made it clear enough. In a 1922 magazine interview, for
>> instance, he said he would hang Jews from the lamposts of Munich when
>> he came to power.
>> 
>> There are some authors who believe that Hitler saw himself as doing
>> the work of Jesus in murdering the Jews. Although I remain
>> unconvinced, there is a considerable body of evidence pointing to
>> this.



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The true value of kosher food tax to rabbinical councils can be
measured by the volume and ferocity of attack against those who
question it. 

By the insult and sheer volume of denials that can be seen on multiple
newsgroups common sense dictates that the food tax is worth more than
admitted.

tyler

...only dead fish go with the flow 


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On 9 Jan 2002 03:20:53 -0800, PinkElephantsCanTapDance@hotmail.com
(King Nimrod) wrote:

>You should do your homework,
>your conspiracy sucks!
>

Conspiracy? What conspiracy? What the heck are you rambling about? You
are indeed a nimrod.


>tyler  wrote in message news:<5lrn3ucflf0bmmkac463s2jqaausr06d3f@4ax.com>...
>> On 8 Jan 2002 20:38:47 -0800, PinkElephantsCanTapDance@hotmail.com
>> (King Nimrod) wrote:
>> 
>> >You're so far in the Dark,
>> >You might as well be a caveman!
>> >
>> >That goes for the counter opinion too.
>> >
>> 
>> Caveman? What an unoriginal dipyid. 
>> 
>> >kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote in message news:...
>> >> In article <3C34D934.1050500@telusplanet.net>,
>> >> Patrick Gallagher   wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> [...]
>> >> 
>> >> >  Just for the record... I seriously doubt Hitler hated the Jews at 
>> >> >all... he just needed money for his insane war effort, and exterminating 
>> >> >the people with the most available money was a good way in his mind to 
>> >> >raise funds... also keep in mind his mind was half rotted with syphilis 
>> >> >at that point in time... If the aryans had been the wealthier group, he 
>> >> >very likely would have exterminated them instead. Anyone who thinks he 
>> >> >was anything more than an insane idiot needs some serious head 
>> >> >examination of their own.
>> >> 
>> >> There is no doubt that Hitler was determined to destroy Jews and
>> >> Judaism - he made it clear enough. In a 1922 magazine interview, for
>> >> instance, he said he would hang Jews from the lamposts of Munich when
>> >> he came to power.
>> >> 
>> >> There are some authors who believe that Hitler saw himself as doing
>> >> the work of Jesus in murdering the Jews. Although I remain
>> >> unconvinced, there is a considerable body of evidence pointing to
>> >> this.



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On Wed, 09 Jan 2002 17:08:50 GMT, No Spam  wrote:

>On 8 Jan 2002 21:31:24 -0800,
>in edm.general
>tcantine@incentre.net (Thomas Cantine) used both functioning neurons to
>say:
>
>>   Okay. Let's say, for the sake of argument, that a portion of the
>>money I pay for a bottle of ketchup goes to pay for the kosher
>>inspection. I'm not Jewish, I don't care if my food is kosher or not,
>>so I should be outraged to have to pay such a cost?
>
>I don't know what upsets you, so it's kind of hard to made that
>determination.

>Does it upset you that the Orthodox Jewish (and psuedo-Orthodox
>'sects' practice of Kosher certification is relevant to only a small
>portion of all Jewish people?
>
>Does it upset you that the Moslem religion has the equivalent
>certification process called Halal, and that it is relevant to most
>Moslems? 
>
>Would you be upset if the Vatican council decided that in the
>interests of the health of Catholics that they set up a business
>entity to certify what is fit for Catholics to eat?
>
>Would it upset you with the hundreds of other religions in the world
>did the same....after all it only adds $0.0005 cents per item per religion?
>
>>   Except, the same thing applies to a lot of the other expenses
>>hidden in the cost of my bottle of ketchup. I don't want to have to
>>pay for TV commercials, but that's covered through the money they make
>>when I buy ketchup. Why should I have to pay for ANY of their
>>promotional costs? After all, I already know the product exists, and
>>decided to buy it; why should I pay to convince someone else to buy
>>it?
>
>>   That's just business. Companies will spend money to promote their
>>products, and cover those costs through increased sales. Further, they
>>will target their promotional costs to those market segments that seem
>>worthwhile. Presumably the COR food products makers see the Jewish
>>segment of the market as big enough to justify the expense. This is no
>>religious tax; it's a marketing expense.
>
>To some degree the linkage between the two expenses is valid.
>But considering the cost of Kosher certification is relevant to less
>than 1% of the population it doesn't seem logical to have everyone
>forced to bear the cost.
>
>I guess we could also get into the issue of corporate and business
>profits and expenses tied to religion and start discussing business
>interests owned by religious figures such as Rev Moon, Pat
>Robertson, Jim Baker and so on in a rather long list, but why bother.
>It's about as relevant as relating the matter to ketchup and
>advertising expenses.
>
> You did know that of the roughly 300 million people in the US
>and Canada the Jewish population is only about 6 million or
>about 2%, and of that figure only a smaller percentage of
>Jewish people strictly follow Orthodox (and pseudo Orthodox)
>Kosher religious law.
>
>You did know that the story about Kosher certification being of
>benefit to Moslems is bullshit, because Moslems look for Halal
>certification on those products that are relevant.
>
>Actually if you do some research on Halal, you'll find out that it
>makes a hell of a lot more sense, because it is based in simple
>common sense rather than superstition, and is far closer allied to
>North American standards and accepted government food
>regulation.
>
>-------------------------------------------------------------
>  All your posts are belong to ECHELON!
>-------------------------------------------------------------

>Would you be upset if the Vatican council decided that in the
>interests of the health of Catholics that they set up a business
>entity to certify what is fit for Catholics to eat?

NO! A THOUSAND TIMES NO!!

I vote for a Catholic food certification program. I think they are the
most creative having given the world  Benedictine liquor and
fantastic wine. No other major religion has looked after the 'spirits'
of its believers like the Catholics.
A toast to the monks and god bless everyone of them! I'll gladly pay
for what they brew!




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On Wed, 09 Jan 2002 16:06:46 GMT, Patrick Gallagher
 wrote:

>tyler wrote:
>
>> The true value of kosher food tax to rabbinical councils can be
>> measured by the volume and ferocity of attack against those who
>> question it. 
>> 
>> By the insult and sheer volume of denials that can be seen on multiple
>> newsgroups common sense dictates that the food tax is worth more than
>> admitted.
>> 
>> tyler
>> 
>> ...only dead fish go with the flow 
>> 
>
>actually, it's more like secondary parties arguing with racist idiots...
>
>but whatever makes ya happy, junior
>
>Patrick

so you're a racist idiot are you?
thought so. 



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Jewish Canadian In Israel

http://www.islamweb.net/english/Article.asp?Article=3212

A Palestinian journalist who disguised himself as a foreign journalist
asked the settlers if peaceful Palestinians could live in peace with
Jews. 

A woman settler, who said she had migrated from Toronto, Canada,
replied: "there is no such a thing as peaceful Arabs, the best Arab as
far as I'm concerned is the dead Arab!" 


***********************************************************

Is what she said true?

tyler


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On Mon, 07 Jan 2002 02:30:12 GMT, Patrick Gallagher
 wrote:

>tyler wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 06 Jan 2002 09:19:06 GMT, Patrick Gallagher
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>>tyler wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>On Sat, 05 Jan 2002 06:25:28 GMT, al51@nospam.cornell.edu (Adam
>>>>Littman) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>In article , His Divine Shadow  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>His Merciful Shadow Fell Upon tyler on 1/4/02 18:07:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Fri, 4 Jan 2002 21:53:30 +0000 (UTC), kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org
>>>>>>>(Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>In article ,
>>>>>>>>tyler   wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On Fri, 04 Jan 2002 09:45:55 GMT, al51@nospam.cornell.edu (Adam
>>>>>>>>>Littman) wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>In article , tyler
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:49:22 +0000 (UTC), kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org
>>>>>>>>>>>(Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>It is my intention to clearly inform Canadians that they are paying
>>>>>>>>>for COR. Zionists and practicing Jews have accused me of anti-Semitism
>>>>>>>>>just because I consider this to be unfair.  Their accusations have
>>>>>>>>>shown them to be the racists that the United Nations has confirmed
>>>>>>>>>them to be.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I accuse you of antisemitism because you stereotype Jews in order to
>>>>>>>>denegrate them. 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Well of course that's your opinion because that is the only way you
>>>>>>>can argue against anyone who objects to a religious tax on food.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>You're a moron, tyler. There is no religious tax. Your incipient racism is
>>>>>>blinding you, but you knew that, didn't you? Never let the facts get in the
>>>>>>way of a useful lie, eh simpelton?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>Nothing "incipient" about it. The guy is a full-blown, no holds barred, 
>>>>>Jew-hating moron. No question.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Keep on screaming that everyone hates you and everyone will.
>>>>
>>>>tyler
>>>>
>>>>
>>>  You are so full of shit - they're calling you on your complete and 
>>>utter bullshit, and you're turning it into a religious debate. 
>>>
>> 
>> Yes dear.
>> 
>> The only 
>> 
>>>evidence of any wrongdoing you've managed to produce is from Nazi, 
>>>Neo-Nazi, and Racist propaganda sites, and as compelling as their 
>>>arguments may be, they're still propaganda, composed of half truths and 
>>>falsehoods that sound close enough to the truth that someone without the 
>>>intelligence or wisdom to actually investigate what they're saying 
>>>through unbiased sources might actually fall for what they have to say. 
>>>You strike me as a somewhat intelligent human being, but if you've 
>>>fallen for any of the crap that all those zealots are trying to push 
>>>onto society, you've got a weaker mind than most.
>>>
>>>
>> 
>> The crap from zionists is even worse. Why don't you include their
>> sites?
>> 
>
>Racism is racism - all of it is crap. None is better, or worse.
>
>
>> 
>> 
>>>  The only problem in our society (or rather, the biggest problem) is 
>>>that people don't realize that they're the same - are you Christian?  
>>>
>> 
>> Really? Why don't people who insist on kosher certification consider
>> themselves to be the same? You are spouting a truly idiotic 'lets feel
>> good about ourselves' 60's philosophy that only works with LSD in a
>> society that uses the work of the 3rd world to finance its excesses. .
>> 
>
>
>Really?  The world isn't perfect, but your lies only complicate things more.
>
>
>> If 
>> 
>>>so, your religion is BASED UPON the Jewish religion - the edicts that 
>>>define the requirements of Kosher are in your bible too. It's not some 
>>>whacked out Jewish manifesto, it's the Old Testament, a Whacked out 
>>>Jewish, Christian, Jehovah's Witness, etc. Manifesto. What people are 
>>>failing to realize is that there is only one race on this planet - 
>>>human. Anyone who commits any sort of act against anyone for any reason 
>>>is committing a crime against the one race - humans. Sure, there are 
>>>differences between different regional varieties of human, but they're 
>>>superficial. There are different religious beliefs, but they're pretty 
>>>much all the same once you get to the core of those religions.
>>>
>>>  How was the last paragraph relevant to your "Kosher Tax" bullshit? 
>>>It's the reason behind the invention of this kosher tax by arrogent, 
>>>moronic groups of people that fear things that are different so much 
>>>that they can't see it's really not different. They take ever 
>>>opportunity to make it appear different, and try to suck in as many weak 
>>>minded fools as they can, in order to spread their bullshit further - 
>>>and you have been wholly sucked in - congratulations, you're doing the 
>>>work of lesser people trying to undo all the progress we've made towards 
>>>a well adjusted, integrated society. You're helping propagate lies and 
>>>untruths. You're helping them turn back the page, increase violence in 
>>>
>> 
>> Not at all. The COR is not an untruth it is a reality. Look at your
>> food labels and get pack to me on that will you sport?
>> 
>
>
>The COR is a reality - the claims of some sort of COR tax is the lie. 
>The costs of their services are too small to be passed on in any 
>meaningful way.
>
>
>> 
>>>our world, and build up racial and religious mistrust. You're helping 
>>>them take a somewhat safe world, and turn it into a violent, evil, 
>>>uncomfortable place to live. It's bad enough already without this crap 
>>>in it.
>>>
>> 
>> Ask the Palestinians about their view. Is the word evil and violent in
>> reality? You are comfotable in yours, just make sure you thank the
>> hundreds of gulags in China filled with Chinese political prisoners
>> that make your cheap products for you. Don't forget to thank the
>> thousands of Indian children that are deformed and die young while
>> making products for you. I can continue but why bother? You have no
>> idea of what the world really is and like to like in a cushy cocoon of
>> indifference.
>> 
>
>
>I know exactly what our world is like - and I know that every person who 
>pushes hate and mistrust is out to destroy it, even if they don't 
>realize it. Canada is a country based on multiculturalism and tolerance. 
>The United States was meant to be the same. Anyone who doesn't 
>understand that concept is perfectly welcome to leave I'm sure - 
>although odds are against any other country wanting them.
>
>
>>>Let it go
>>>
>> 
>> It should be let go by the instigators. The COR tax must go.
>> 
>
>
>There is no COR tax. Companies voluntarily pay for the Kosher 
>certification, and the cost of the certification, once again, is too 
>small to be passed on. We have no currency in the denomination of a 
>millionth of a cent, and until we do, it can't be done. The only 
>exception is in the case of Kosher meats, and you always have a choice 
>about which variety of meat to buy - so the Kosher being more expensive 
>isn't a tax, it's a voluntary payment for the guarantee of higher 
>quality control and better quality meats.
>
>Why don't you complain about the "paying the guy to kill the cow" tax, 
>or the "picking the apple off the tree" tax, or the "paying the guy who 
>mixes the soup ingredients together" tax? Or maybe, next time you eat 
>out, you can whine about the "Pay the cooks who prepared my meal" tax.
>
>All of those are much higher costs than this certification cost that 
>isn't passed on to you anyways. You're complaining about imaginary 
>enemies, and making real enemies in the process.
>
>
>Patrick
>>>
>> 
>> tyler
>> 
>


How the f*ck would YOU know Patrick? 

tyler


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On Sun, 06 Jan 2002 22:06:59 GMT, His Divine Shadow
 wrote:

>His Merciful Shadow Fell Upon tyler on 1/6/02 01:57:
> 
>>>>> Well of course that's your opinion because that is the only way you
>>>>> can argue against anyone who objects to a religious tax on food.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> You're a moron, tyler. There is no religious tax. Your incipient racism is
>>>> blinding you, but you knew that, didn't you? Never let the facts get in the
>>>> way of a useful lie, eh simpelton?
>>> 
>>> Nothing "incipient" about it. The guy is a full-blown, no holds barred,
>>> Jew-hating moron. No question.
>> 
>> 
>> Keep on screaming that everyone hates you and everyone will.
>
>You make it so easy to hate you, bigot. You knowingly spread a racist lie
>and are incapable of realizing you've been duped, or perhaps DO realise it
>and need the attention.
>
>Goodbye, dimbulb.


Jewish Canadian In Israel

http://www.islamweb.net/english/Article.asp?Article=3212

A Palestinian journalist who disguised himself as a foreign journalist
asked the settlers if peaceful Palestinians could live in peace with
Jews. 

A woman settler, who said she had migrated from Toronto, Canada,
replied: "there is no such a thing as peaceful Arabs, the best Arab as
far as I'm concerned is the dead Arab!" 


***********************************************************

Is what she said true?

tyler


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Profit from COR, the Kosher tax on foods - The choice was made

Snipped from:

http://www.kosherquest.org/html/Reliable_Kosher_Symbols.htm

The cost of certification to the manufacturer is minimal. For
non-profit agencies, cost depends on the amount of on-site work.
Agencies making a profit might have a minimum annual charge and fees
depending on the gross annual sales of the product. 

************************************************************************

Note that the rabbinical organizations have a choice.
Non - profit certification or certification for profit.
 
The fact is that some if not most certify foods for PROFIT! Based on
gross annual sales! That's a lot of ketchup! 

If it were ALL not profit MAYBEEEEE it wouldn't be that big of a deal.
But they do it for profit, and profit for a rabbi as evidenced by the
Reichmann family is the same as god.

The rabbis had a choice. They chose profit. How much profit is
irrelevant. They could have chosen to organize all non-profit
certification councils. 

Canadian consumers ARE allowing a religion to profit from sales of
ordinary food items.

tyler


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On Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:11:56 +0000 (UTC), kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org
(Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:

>In article <88v63u0qtr1lpfnqgoiovoc07hjkn3956d@duff.ca>,
>No Spam   wrote:
>
>[...]
>
>>What I object to is you labeling everyone who is in the least
>>bit critical or questioning of subjects dealing with Jews as some
>>kind of racist, bigot, or whatever. It too is a tactic, if not of hate
>>then of aggressiveness and zealotry.
>
>Since I do _not_ label everyone "who is in the least bit critical 
>or questioning of subjects dealing with Jews" in the way you suggest.
>In fact, as my Jewish friends will tell you, I am "critical or
>questioning" on many issues concerning Jews and Things Jewish.
>
>If you can find an example, by all means provide it.

Easy, my post about COR. It wasnot against jews but against a
religious organization that happened to have rabbis running it. If it
were Catholic or Muslim I would be just as offended.

Your a zionist extremist no better than Beria or Begin.




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"Anti-Semitism is nothing but the antagonistic attitude produced in
the non-Jew by the Jewish group. The Jewish group has thrived on
oppression and on the antagonism it has forever met in the world." 
ALBERT EINSTEIN Physicist (Collier's Magazine, November 26, 1938)  

Does somebody have a copy of this?


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Yeah, but what if he actually makes some kind of sense in his
ramblings? That's why it's not in bookstores... There is always some
truth in lies...

On Mon, 3 Dec 2001 11:47:01 -0400, "The Professor" 
wrote:

>These books don't make terrorists... if somebody is dumb enough to get
>involved in terror they would do it regardless of reading a book, there has
>to be something twisted in their pea brains to start with, eventually...
>guns don't kill, people kill... thats like saying your son committed suicide
>because he listens to heavy metal LOL....  I would love to read that book to
>see how twisted ol'Shitler really was... kind of like studying criminal
>psychology on a big scale... what makes these people do what they do, think
>what they think, and reading books like this i think would give us more of
>an insight of the types of thoughts/behaviours to watch for in potential
>terrorists/extremists!!! Mind you, I think these people are 52 cards short
>of a deck to start with... but an ounce of prevention... the only way to
>stop terror lies in the old addage, to catch a criminal you have to think
>like a criminal and predict their next move... and prevent it... then get
>them....
>
>Prof
>
>Seven of 3  wrote in message
>news:EKvO7.14594$2Fd.6133@news1.bloor.is...
>> Shouldn't the subject header read, "can't afford anything good, and this
>is
>> all I could find for free in the public domain".
>> I am surprized you are not offering copies of the Anarchist's Cook Book
>for
>> download....why don't you try, and see if the new anti-terrorist laws have
>> any teeth? I mean there isn't much difference....one is "how to do" and
>the
>> one you got is "how to think" to create terror!
>>
>> Now maybe if you had excerpts from Steve King's new book, the first one he
>> has done since the accident, then I might have a reason to visit your
>slime
>> hole....but that would be good, and you are just a toy!
>>
>>
>> "Mr. David Voisine"  wrote in message
>> news:d77229f2.0112020737.223ec06f@posting.google.com...
>> > It is in zip format but both volumes can be found down the page under
>> > Classic Literature at:
>> >
>> > http://pw1.netcom.com/~jna/features/readlist.html
>> >
>> > Just click the two links to get volume one and two.
>> >
>> > Brought to you by!
>> >
>> > http://toronto.canadianwebs.com
>>
>>
>



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On Tue, 04 Dec 2001 02:24:38 GMT, Carter Lee 
wrote:

>No Spam wrote:
>> 
>> On Mon, 03 Dec 2001 21:29:16 GMT,
>> in alt.dev.null
>> 7h3_Fr13nd1y_P0rn06raph3r@salmahayeksknockers.edu spewed this bit of
>> 'wisdom' to the world:
>> 
>> >In can.general Carter Lee  wrote:
>> >> No Spam wrote:
>> >
>> >>> The means never justify the ends.
>> >
>> >> Very often the means are justified by the ends.
>> >
>> >I think it's fair to say that you two are having a fundamental disagreement
>> >here.
>> 
>> Nope, I set out the bait and he went for it hook line and sinker...;->
>
>Yeah, we have always known you are nothing but a troll, LOL!
>
>Carter

Sigh,
 troll??? LOL???? Isn't there anything new on the channels? Why are
the reruns always on???


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On Wed, 14 Nov 2001 01:14:48 -0600, "Thomas Jefferson" 
wrote:

>"Philotsopher"  wrote in message
>news:zYjI7.715$6G5.214282@news.uswest.net...
>> salaries. The H-1B program will drive down wages here until they find
>parity
>> with the salaries in India. The average salary for a computer programmer
>in
>> India is $300 a month.
>
>   There is certainly no reason to expect that to happen.
>

Right, and you're take home pay can buy a lot more and better products
than it did ten years ago...


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On Thu, 03 Jan 2002 03:19:15 GMT, "Seven of 3" 
wrote:

>Get real?
>It is legal and not banned in Canada!
>You can buy it right now, at several Canadian book dealers.
>
>But will you find it in a book store? Likely not. Obviously its not out of
>print.
>Anyone can publish it. Its public domain. It belongs to the people!
>
>Now what do book stores do? They sell books?
>If they are retailers (Stores), they have to stock inventory, and fill their
>shelves.
>But they don't intend to store books, they intend to sell them, to move them
>off the shelves.
>Why? Because each spot in a store where you can put a book, costs money.
>
>Yes, not every book is a best seller....but most of the books in retail book
>stores are best sellers.
>Thing is, even in its best years, Mein Kampf was never a best seller.
>Actually the truth is it is one of the few books that people go out of their
>way to read.
>
>Its not a revelation. Its not even well written. And the only reason it
>hasn't vanished from the world of literature is because the author is one of
>histories most infamous shitheads.
>
>So it is not in Canadian books store because there is not enough demand to
>allocate any space to it!
>Not because it is banned!
>Its economics, not politics!
>
>Hey, you want to buy the book in Canada this second, nice hard cover, or
>paperback?
>Www.amazon.ca which is a Canadian company, a clone of
>www.amazon.com...right?
>
>Its also in almost every free collection of public domain e-books,
>downloadable on a million and one websites, which is of course where Voisine
>downloaded his version.
>
>But he wants to be your a-hole, er, um, I mean portal to the cyber
>toilet....so hop on down for a flush at Voisine's Toronto.
>
>And what a nice Toronto it is too, nazi doctrines as its center piece.
>
>But I like to think that its the only thing of interest on the website!
>See he thinks his sight is popular because its Toronto foucused, but its
>popular with the neo-nazis, and its Hitler that is attracting them, not
>Voisine, or anything he has done with his website.
>
>Its leech behavior. Voisine will latch onto anthing that will garnish
>attention. ANd like a child vying for parental approval, he doesn't care if
>the attention is positive or negative.
>
>But I am happy he doesn't post anymore. A few blurbs about his crappy
>website is cheap enough, and if it keeps him to busy to post.....I am all
>for the website!
>


Sorry, I dozed off. Can you make your posts shorter? I can't imagine
anyone reading all this.


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What a crock. You talk about people on budgets yet you refer to
pricing of a 'luxury' item. If you can afford chocolate you do not
understand what a restricted budget is.

People without money buy things like dried lentil beans, dried peas,
pasta, beans etc. They don't buy chocolate. 

On Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:56:16 -0500, "Stringfellowhaulkeye"
 wrote:

>
>What a company!!
>
>No Frills is owned by the same people that owns Loblaws.  I have found
>products in Loblaws that are cheaper then in No Frills stores.  That
>shouldn't be!  Ones who go to No Frills are ones who have to stick to a
>'more restricked budget' but the ones who does the ordering, from their
>supplier, needs to look at having the lowest prices of whatever they sell
>from all thier stores at No Frills!
>
>example; Loblaws has a family size chocolate/candy 12 pack for 5.39 the
>closes to that at No Frills is 3 pack of 4 for 1.97 = 5.91 but in the 12
>pack one gets more verity!
>



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On 3 Jan 2002 08:24:06 -0800, yitzgood@lycos.com (Yitzchak Goodman)
wrote:

>tyler  wrote in message 
>
>> Your a zionist extremist no better than Beria or Begin.
>
>Beria was a Gentile.
>
>Yitz

Yeah right. And you're a putz.


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The following links show how Simon Wiesenthal  regularly distorts
evidence used in his publications on anti-semitism and the holocaust.
No one denies the holocaust happened yet Wiesenthal continues to
spread lies and misinformation in order to distorts certain aspects.
He discredits the memory of the many nations who lost their citizens
to the death camps.

 Many pictures have been doctored by Wiesnthal and his followers and
reproduced in several different volumes spanning decades. 

The doctored pictures and proof of Wiesnthal's lies can be most
clearly viewed at:

http://www.ukar.org/greenb03.shtml

The above link shows how Wiesenthal copied a picture from a 1981 text
and included in his 1997 text. He pencilled in smoke and claimed it
came from an oven. He did not give the source of the picture. Clearly
the original had no smoke. 

Pictures from various publications on articles about concentration
camps are also shown in their original and doctored formats. It is
clear that Wiesnthal has no credibility and  many publications are
suspect because of his activity. That's too bad. A critical reader
cannot help but wonder what other documents Wiesnthal and zionists in
general have doctored.

Because of these poor attempts at doctoring pictures and lies that
describe them all printed material is now suspect.

tyler


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Subject: Re: There is no Jewish COR cabal! (cuddles@salmahayeksknockers.edu) writes:
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On 6 Jan 2002 21:35:34 GMT, bo774@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Kelly Bert
Manning) wrote:
STUFF CUT OUT
>
>Most religions have a practicial aspect, particularly in bygone ages
>when ignorance was more common than understanding. Religious dietary 
>laws often have some beneficial effect. Eg. making cows sacred protected 
>the milk supply and allowed people to obtain more food in another way. 
>Pork is a very dangerous food if proper sanitation and animal husbandry 
>methods are not used. Having said that, religions seem to get it wrong
>at least as often as they get it right. The fact that they had some
>benefit in the past is no excuse for hanging on to superstition as a
>basis for personal actions. The few hits don't make the religion true,
>it simply shows that religion has been useful as a way of manipulating the
>behaviour of believers, for good or for bad.
>

Interesting that last year Jews were allowed to eat Ham after 6,000
years. So what does that say about kosher certification? Steeped in
ignorance? No not at all. Kosher certification is a way of keeping an
identity and a feeling of separateness.

tyler


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On 5 Jan 2002 21:57:13 -0800, yitzgood@lycos.com (Yitzchak Goodman)
wrote:

>tyler  wrote in message news:...
>> On 3 Jan 2002 08:24:06 -0800, yitzgood@lycos.com (Yitzchak Goodman)
>> wrote:
>> 
>> >tyler  wrote in message 
>> >
>> >> Your a zionist extremist no better than Beria or Begin.
>> >
>> >Beria was a Gentile.
>> >
>> >Yitz
>> 
>> Yeah right. And you're a putz.
>
>Beria is not identified as a Jew in 
>any historical source that I have ever
>seen. I have seen references to rumors
>and speculation on this point since his
>ethnic origins were a bit obscure, but
>that doesn't mean much. Saying "Yeah right"
>means even less. And you are a shvantz.
>
>Yitz

Ooooo. More insults! Cool! 

Hey, at least I didn't have my dad mutilate my penis as everyone
watched and partied! Must be why you're so vindictive.

tyler


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Peacekeeper = Chickenshit


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On Tue, 8 Jan 2002 20:36:31 -0600, "Cory Pchajek"
 wrote:

>
>"tyler"  wrote in message
>news:f47n3ugvrp6d2tad0rjdn6ta18qed0m5vr@4ax.com...
>> Peacekeeper = Chickenshit
>
>Sometimes the best way to make peace is to defeat the opposition.
>CoryP
>

Very true. Since Korea  Canadian troops are sent after the opposition
is defeated. 


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On Tue, 8 Jan 2002 20:37:13 -0600, "Scott Willing"
 wrote:

>
>"tyler"  wrote in message
>news:f47n3ugvrp6d2tad0rjdn6ta18qed0m5vr@4ax.com...
>> Peacekeeper = Chickenshit
>
>Are you saying that a member of the armed forces who has
>their ass planted in some hot zone -- sometimes without even
>official sanction to return fire -- where there are folks
>who would just as soon smoke 'em as wave hello... is a
>coward by definition?
>
>Or is there some alternate interpretation of this remark
>that actually makes some sense, and I'm just too thick to
>make it out?
>
>-smw
>

no, only a chickenshit would be placed in that situation. someone with
courage would tell the politicians to fuck right off - and  return
fire.


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Until the books of companies are opened to public inspection all that
was written is pure speculation. The costs are spread over so many
products that it is minimal per product and per purchase. It is not
minimal as a whole. No one is giving actual figures for the cost. It's
all handled by spin doctors.

tyler

On Tue, 08 Jan 2002 20:19:43 GMT, No Spam  wrote:

>Given that the material 'tarpon27' has provided in regards to
>replies from various companies in regards to the 'kosher tax'
>seems to be at odds to that on Lubomyr Prytulak's web site:
>
>http://www.ukar.org/tax.shtml
>
>perhaps the only fair way of dealing with it is to forward this post
>to webmaster@ukar.org and see if he is interested in discussing
>if he has recieved any such replies, and if he has any further
>response to the points 'tarpon27' makes.
>
>Posted and e-mailed to: webmaster@ukar.org
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>On Tue, 08 Jan 2002 19:27:20 GMT,
>>in calgary.general
>>tarpon27@yahoo.com used both functioning neurons to say:
>
>>On Mon, 7 Jan 2002 12:00:33 -0800, "Waldo" 
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Your idiotic figures corrected, the (ridiculously deceptive) figure you are
>>>trying to arrive at would be $0.65 cents per century, or 0.0065 cents per
>>>year. Even with the numbers corrected, do you actually believe the shit you
>>>are spouting, Adam?
>>
>>I'm not Adam, and I made the mistake in the multiplication.
>>
>>>Of course you don't.
>>
>>Kind of the heart of the matter, isn't it? What does it cost
>>*consumers* for the cost of certifying products kosher?.
>>
>>The Birds Eye figure was from the May, 1975 NY Times article reference
>>("Calling It Kosher: How and Why", _NY Times_, May 18th, 1975, p. F3;
>>I don't have the actual article, just the cite.)
>>
>>From the ADL site article:
>>
>>[...]
>>The cost to the consumer for this service is a miniscule fraction of
>>the total production overhead; it is so negligible in practical terms
>>as to be virtually non-existent. A May 18, 1975 New York Times article
>>reported that the cost to General Foods' "Bird's Eye" Unit, for
>>example, is 6.5 millionths (.0000065) of a cent per item. Furthermore,
>>a representative of the Heinz Company has said that the per item cost
>>is "so small we can't even calculate it," and that such labeling
>>actually makes products less costly by increasing the market for them.
>>
>>Indeed, according to marketing manager Steven Zamichow, quoted in the
>>Washington Post, "Entenmann's Inc. received kosher certification in
>>1981 and sales of [its] baked goods 'increased substantially.' "
>>Visits to the Entenmann's plant from a "mashgiach" or kashruth
>>inspector, are provided by the Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations
>>of America. The UOJC is one of several groups that maintain such a
>>kosher inspection service, certifying foods and related products to be
>>in compliance with Jewish dietary laws through all phases of
>>production. The profit from these products goes, of course, to the
>>companies that manufacture them and the stores that sell them, not to
>>"the Jews."
>>[...]
>>
>>http://www.adl.org/special%5Freports/kosher%5Ftax/kosher%5Ffacts.html
>>
>>From a source I imagine you will find more philosophically in line:
>>
>>-------------------------------
>>I decided to email a few companies about their kosher certification.
>>Here are a few that I recieved a reply to. I could see a trend so
>>haven't mailed any more companies. 
>>  
>>General Mills
>>
>>> I just became aware of the kosher foods symbol on products. I was 
>>> wondering how much of this cost, of having a rabbi bless my food, is 
>>> passed on to me? I am not jewish and am curious. 
>>
>>Dear Consumer - Thank you for contacting us at the General Mills
>>Corporate Web Site. To answer your question, the cost of having a
>>Rabbi certify our products is less than 1/20,000 of one penny per food
>>package. It is not expensive, but is a service we provide for a large
>>number of consumers who choose to keep a Kosher diet. 
>>
>>Thank you for your questions. If there is any other way we can be of
>>help to you, please let us know! 
>>General Mills Consumer Services 
>> 
>>
>>DOW
>>
>>>I noticed a U with a circle around it on my Saran Wrap. 
>>>I know this is a kosher symbol and was wondering why a 
>>>rabbi would bless plastic wrap, since it's not for 
>>>consumption. Also, what cost is passed to me, a non-Jewish 
>>>person? General Mills mailed me back the cost and reason 
>>>so I hope you will too. 
>>  
>>SARAN WRAP IS NOW DISTRIBUTED BY S.C.JOHNSON. PLEASE CONTACT THEM FOR
>>ASSISTANCE @ 800-428-4795 
>>  
>>
>>S.C.Johnson
>>
>>The reason the SARAN WRAP carries the kosher symbol is because there 
>>is a possibility of the product coming in contact with food. This is 
>>mainly a concern during Passover. The process of getting these
>>products blessed should not be reflected in what you, as a consumer,
>>pays. Since SC Johnson just took over control of these product, it is
>>hard to say if the kosher characteristic will continue or not. This is
>>the first time SC Johnson has had to deal with products being in
>>contact with food and the concern within the Jewish community with
>>these product being kosher or not. 
>>If we can be of further help, feel free to contact us again. 
>>
>>Sincerely, 
>>
>>SC Johnson Wax 
>>Consumer Resource Center 
>>  
>>
>>Proctor and Gamble
>>
>>>I noticed that my Dawn dishwashing soap has a U with a circle 
>>>around it signifying it is kosher. I wonder why soap is kosher and how much 
>>>does it cost me, a non-Jewish person to pay for this service? 
>>
>>This labeling is important to a large number of consumers for
>>religious reasons. The cost of certifying this product as Kosher is
>>minimal and does not affect the selling price of the product. 
>>
>>Mary, 
>>USA Consumer Correspondence Team 
>>
>>SC Johnson's reply one year later 
>>
>>I mailed SC Johnson about finding the circle u symbol. They have a
>>form page and I don't have a copy of that mail I send via that page. I
>>copied the mail above to them, then asked them how much they pay a
>>rabbi to bless their products. This is their reply: 
>>
>>Dear Janice, 
>>
>>Thank you for your recent e-mail regarding the inspection of products 
>>by a rabbi to make them kosher. We appreciate your interest in this, 
>>however, due to the confidentiality of manufacturing costs we are
>>unable to share this information. SC Johnson is privately held and not
>>required to give out such information. 
>>
>>We apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused. 
>>
>>If we can be of further help, feel free to contact us again. 
>>--------------------
>>
>>http://women.stormfront.org/correspondence.html
>>
>>"Women.stormfront.org" is an organization for Aryan women, as its home
>>page states. There is no date for these emails, but on a previous
>>page, she has the year 2000 for the info on the costs of kosher.
>>
>>
>>This is from the OU organization, the largest certifying group in the
>>US:
>>
>>---------------
>>Must a food manufacturer charge more money for his product to cover
>>the cost of Kosher supervision?
>>
>>Almost never. The actual cost of supervision is generally minimal. The
>>increased sales which are generated by the Kosher certification
>>program more than compensate for the additional Kosher related costs.
>>
>>How much does supervision cost?
>>
>>This is a very broad question and there is no general answer. Every
>>Kashruth agency employs its own price structure to establish a
>>certification fee. However, one very important factor in determining
>>the fee is the out of pocket expenses that will be incurred during the
>>inspection program. The actual cost of inspections depends on a number
>>of variables, such as the distance that the inspector must travel to
>>the plant, the mode of available transportation, the frequency of
>>visitation that will be required, and the length of time of an average
>>inspection. Another important consideration is the amount of
>>administrative time that is necessary to oversee the Kosher program.
>>
>>http://www.ou.org/kosher/kosherqa/supervis.htm
>>-----------------
>>
>>From this information, we have the following:
>>
>>1. Bird's Eye at $0.0000065 per item (in a 1975 article);
>>
>>2. Heinz saying it is so small it cannot be calculated (from the same
>>1975 article; Heinz was the first company certified by OU)
>>
>>3. General Mills at 1/20,000th of a penny, or $0.000005 (from the
>>Ayran women's site, and I assume circa 2000)
>>
>>4. Procter and Gamble saying the cost is minimal (from the Aryan
>>women's site again)
>>
>>5. OU, the largest certification organization, states on their web
>>site that the cost is minimal.
>>
>>To me, there are two constants here: it is difficult to find
>>information on the actual costs, but from the limited data, it appears
>>that the cost of certification is minute in terms of large processors.
>>
>>
>>
>>>There are at least five MAJOR Kash-R-Us organizations operating on a
>>>national scale un the United States: OU, OK, Star-K, Star-D, and K of K and
>>>close to a hundred smaller organizations.
>>>
>>>http://www.kashrut.com/agencies/
>>>
>>>We know that the OU **alone** has revenues in excess of $20 million per year
>>
>>[...]
>>Orthodox Union, whose circle U symbol appears on close to 75 percent
>>of all kosher products worldwide, is the big bagel of the kosher
>>certification industry. The nonprofit organization approves more than
>>250,000 products made by 2,400 companies and 4,760 plants in 68
>>countries. It has 50 rabbis on staff in New York and hundreds more
>>around the world and reportedly takes in more than $20 million a year.
>>
>>   Welton's organization is just one of about 275 kosher rating
>>agencies in the United States and 400 around the world, according to
>>Rabbi Yosef Wikler, publisher of Kashrus Magazine in Brooklyn. 
>>   Until the past century, before so many foods were manufactured and
>>packaged outside the home, kosher certification was relatively simple,
>>and rabbis often supervised kosher food producers part time and for
>>free. But as foods have become increasingly complex with flavorings,
>>oils, additives and preservatives, supervision has become far more
>>arduous. 
>>   Depending on the type and complexity of food products, inspections
>>range from twice a year to full time. Plants that process kosher meat,
>>poultry and dairy products are the most labor intensive by far. 
>>[...]
>>
>>http://detnews.com/2001/food/0104/09/c09-208222.htm
>>
>>
>>>(I'd say $50 million is a closer estimate), and that's JUST the OU, 
>>
>>You would, huh? And based on what?
>>
>>
>>>and this
>>>from **Kosher fees alone**, and it DOESN'T take into account the monies
>>>spent by the companies to **comply** with the demands of the Rabbis, which
>>>is certainly MUCH higher than the fees themselves.
>>
>>If a company has to spend money to comply and achieve certification,
>>that would entail, and correct me if I am wrong, probably the
>>following:
>>
>>1. Purchase of raw materials and/or ingredients that meet kosher
>>requirements;
>>2. Upgrading equipment;
>>3. Training individual quality control managers in-plant;
>>4. Changing processing lines, techniques, methods, or scheduling;
>>5. In some industries, *possibly* requiring full-time rabbis in-plant
>>(meat packing and poultry as listed in the Detroit _News_ article; the
>>dairy I have questions on, that I will define below)
>>
>>
>>
>>>The OU is the Big Jew on the block, so, added together, all of the Kosher
>>>fees paid to the Kash-R-Us organizations in the US would easily surpass $100
>>>million.
>>
>>Okay...let's say you are correct.
>>
>>Anyone who has ever worked in the food industry in processing and
>>manufacture knows the prime market: retail grocery stores.
>>
>>-------------
>>Keeping kosher is not just a way of living, it's a big business. 
>>
>>   "Americans spend $486 billion on food, and about $150 billion of
>>that is kosher-certified, whether they know it or not," says Menachem
>>Lubinsky, president of Integrated Marketing Communications, a New York
>>company that researches kosher products.
>> 
>>http://detnews.com/2001/food/0104/09/c09-208222.htm
>>-----------
>>
>>The article above claims $486 billion on food; at
>>
>>http://www.economagic.com/cenret.htm
>>
>>...one can download the actual US Census Bureau figures for grocery
>>store sales;  in 2001 that equals approximately $435 billion in sales,
>>with my use of $37,500,000,000 in sales for December, 2001 which is
>>the only month missing.
>>
>>Basically, then, using your cost figure of $100,000,000 (that you have
>>no basis for) that the various organizations charge, what are the
>>costs of kosher certification versus grocert store sales to consumers?
>>
>>Looks to me like the cost of kosher fees per your figure of $100
>>million per total groceries sold in the US of $435 billion equals
>>about 0.00023%.
>>
>>
>>
>>>Add to that the hundred$ of million$ (my estimate - conservative) that
>>>companies must spend on the labor, materials, equipment and down time
>>>necessary to comply with the Rabbis' demands.
>>
>>ROFL!
>>
>>This line of reasoning leads one to believe that a food
>>manufacturer/processor operating at what I would consider a profit
>>margin of 2 to 5% (net) annually would bankrupt his business for
>>kosher certification? That's *nonsense*.
>>
>>Kosher meats cost more than that processed by Purdue, Tyson, IBP,
>>Excel, etc., (for chickens and beef) because of the increased costs of
>>kosher certification, including ritual slaughter, processing, etc.
>>Compare the costs of kosher chicken to your basic grocery store
>>chicken from a major processor. 
>>
>>----------
>>   Depending on the type and complexity of food products, inspections
>>range from twice a year to full time. Plants that process kosher meat,
>>poultry and dairy products are the most labor intensive by far. 
>>   For example, Elefant says that a Heinz plant that processes both
>>vegetarian beans and pork and beans requires full-time rabbinical
>>supervision. 
>>   However, you would find the biggest flock of mashgichim (the plural
>>of mashgiach) at Empire Kosher Poultry in Mifflintown, Pa. Processing
>>a kosher chicken, it turns out, takes three times longer than a
>>regular bird. 
>>   At Empire, more than 80 Orthodox Union rabbis work full time
>>slaughtering chickens by hand, checking each one for disease or other
>>problems, washing the birds in cold, running water and salting each
>>one. If there is a disagreement about any part or particular, another
>>rabbi is consulted. 
>>   Not surprisingly, a kosher chicken costs more than double a regular
>>chicken. But such price disparities are the exception. 
>>
>>http://detnews.com/2001/food/0104/09/c09-208222.htm
>>-------------
>>
>>(I am surprised that the cost is only double what a chicken processing
>>plant's chickens are.)
>>
>>
>>Most food manufacturers have very few hoops to jump through to become
>>certified as kosher, so costs are minimal. 
>>
>>I worked for the largest privately owned dairy in the US which is also
>>the largest copacker of ice cream in the country. Most of their
>>products are kosher certified but some are not due mostly to additives
>>or ingredients.
>>
>>On the other hand...
>>
>>In kosher law, equipment used to produce non-kosher items cannot be
>>used to produce kosher items. The easy way around this was absurdly
>>simple: kosher items are run first on the processing equipment, then
>>non-kosher items are run. Kosher allows for the same equipment to be
>>used the next day as long as the equipment is santized before use on
>>kosher items. 
>>
>>Considering the fact that all the equipment and over 200 miles of
>>stainless piping is washed, then disinfected (not just sanitized),
>>then rinsed every day, there are no costs involved. This, in the dairy
>>industry, considered to require more intensive scrutiny.
>>
>>The simple fact is that at that dairy, had they been required to
>>effectively purchase two lines of processing equipment to have kosher
>>certification, they would not have. The ice cream manufacturing
>>equipment, and especially for novelities (ice milk and ice cream bars,
>>popsiciles, push-ups, drumsticks, etc.) is so expensive that it would
>>been financially disastorous to do so. When a single Gramm machine to
>>make ice cream bars is $25 million, no one lets plant assets at that
>>price sit idle for the sake of kosher certification.
>>
>>
>>>Keeping in mind that there are only somewhere between 800,000 and 2,000,000
>>>Jews who might be even remotely interested in the vast majority of products
>>>that are certified as Kosher, and that most major foods manufacturers
>>>operate at close to a 10% profit margin at the *manufacturer* price level,
>>>where do you suppose all of this money must be coming from?
>>
>>There are an estimated 10,000,000 active purchasers of kosher products
>>in the US market.
>>
>>*What* money? 
>>
>>First, the cost of certification entails paying for the inspection,
>>which includes transportation, food, ground transport, meal(s), etc.
>>for the Rabbi. By the way, in today's market, the Rabbis are trained
>>in food science; they understand the manufacturing process. They know
>>raw ingredients, the chemistry of additives, the process any
>>manufacturer goes through to convert raw goods to finished products.
>>In the dairy business, they know which stabilizers, emulsifiers, etc.
>>are suitable for production of kosher goods. 
>>
>>After the inspection, the certifying group and the manufacturer
>>negotiate the annual fee. At the dairy I worked at, with 2 fluid milk
>>plants and two ice cream plants, the cost under the original kosher
>>certifying body was $30,000 per year on sales of approximately $400
>>million per year. That according to the man in charge of purchasing
>>for the company who is also a family member owner.
>>
>>He was the liason between the kosher organization and the dairy. He
>>also told me that they have since switched to the OU group, as OU is
>>approximately 75--80% of the total kosher certification in the world
>>market. He did not know the new fees, although they were higher, as OU
>>charges more (at least then their old certifying organization), and he
>>told me yesterday in a phone call, he would find out for me. That was
>>on 1/7/02.
>>
>>Now, whether you would find me a credible source is certainly
>>understandable. 
>>
>>However, your assertion of 1) total fees as $100 million for the
>>kashrut orgs is *your* estimate, and based on what evidence(?), and 2)
>>your assertion that manufacturers/processors incur huge costs to get
>>kosher certification is likewise *your* estimate, and I am guessing
>>you have little, if any, experience in the industry.
>>
>>*If* a manufacturer had to incur huge costs to become kosher, his cost
>>of goods sold would rise so significantly that his competitors would
>>simply drive him out of business...why pay $5 a bottle for Heinz
>>ketchup when Hunts is $2.69? If he chooses to eat the cost of the
>>incurred costs, the consumer still does not pay for it; his business
>>loses profitability.
>>
>>Getting your products in grocery stores is an extremely competitive
>>market; a store may hold 40,000 products with 5,000--6,000 new ones
>>introduced yearly to compete for limited shelf space.
>>
>>You want to know what costs consumers? Try "slotting fees".
>>
>>>I'll tell you where: From the pockets of the Goyim.
>>
>>Good. Then how much? 
>>
>>A question you cannot answer, nor anyone else on the infamous Kosher
>>tax. It appears that the cost of the inspection and fees are minimal,
>>maybe even microscopic, especially with the huge food corporations.
>>(In my experience in the dairy industry, the two largest ice cream
>>firms had $6 to 8 billion in sales, and were owned by large
>>multinationals, Nestle and Unilever.)
>>
>>I am not sure I buy into the argument that going kosher is offset by
>>new sales, although entering major metro markets it probably is; in my
>>experience, entering, for the first time, markets like the Twin
>>Cities, Chicago, Detroit in the midwest required a kosher
>>certification for the market. Some of our cultured dairy products from
>>the fluid plants, like sour cream and chip dips not certified as
>>kosher, received letters and comments asking for them to become
>>certified. WHat that would translate into actual sales...I don't know.
>>
>>Larger cities with larger populations of Jews, Seventh Day Adventists,
>>some Muslims, vegetarians, etc., it would seem prudent to have a
>>kosher certification to penetrate the entire market as much as
>>possible.
>>
>>Now, there is also a strong movement to have Muslim products
>>certified.
>>
>>From the International Food Technicians, and highlights of the 2001
>>Expo and convention:
>>
>>----------
>>Islamic Food and Nutrition Council exhibited the institution of Halal
>>to food processors, educators and regulatory bodies. Their goal is to
>>develop an awareness of Halal among all consumers, to make Halal foods
>>conveniently available to all consumers and to provide Halal solutions
>>to consumer needs. Supervising the production of Halal foods. The
>>coucil: certifies the production of Halal food, leads discussions
>>about topics affecting the Halal consumer, finds solutions for
>>ever-evolving challenges, publishes relevant information, and
>>maintains "best in class" procedures for Halal production. 
>>
>>
>>Star-K Kosher Certification exhibited its worldwide kosher
>>certification services. The organization, recognizing that new
>>companies considering going kosher are faced with the daunting task of
>>distinguishing between the relative merits of numerous agencies, has
>>published an in-depth article on choosing a suitable certification
>>organization. Star-K provides personal service, enabling clients to
>>discuss the complexities of their operations and kosher applications
>>with a rabbi sufficiently knowledgeable to converse comfortably with
>>food technologists and quality assurance personnel. 
>>
>>http://www.ift.org/highlights/services.shtml
>>IFT Food Expo 2001 Highlights
>>----------
>>
>>Halal certification is already active and growing, with new certifying
>>bodies for it, which makes Radio Islam's web site attacking kosher
>>certification look a bit hypocritical.
>>
>>The cost of kosher certification to consumers is microscopic. Even
>>using your estimate of fees.
>>
>>
>>>Shalom!  o:-)>
>>>
>>>(Yidle deeedle didle deeedle didle deeedle didle dum!)
>>>
>>>Waldo
>>>
>>>Observer at Large
>
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On Wed, 09 Jan 2002 00:49:41 GMT, tarpon27@yahoo.com wrote:

>On Tue, 08 Jan 2002 20:19:43 GMT, No Spam  wrote:
>
>>Given that the material 'tarpon27' has provided in regards to
>>replies from various companies in regards to the 'kosher tax'
>>seems to be at odds to that on Lubomyr Prytulak's web site:
>>
>>http://www.ukar.org/tax.shtml
>>
>>perhaps the only fair way of dealing with it is to forward this post
>>to webmaster@ukar.org and see if he is interested in discussing
>>if he has recieved any such replies, and if he has any further
>>response to the points 'tarpon27' makes.
>>
>>Posted and e-mailed to: webmaster@ukar.org
>>
>>----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>I have been to his site, and read his "Jewish Tax" stuff. 
>
>He has an interesting site. I would say that I agree with some of his
>thoughts on the issue, and others I disagree with.
>
>His stuff is far superior to the usual found on the anti-semtic sites.
>

Yep. What do you think about the weasel Wiesenthal and his doctored
pictures and outright lies? Pretty dramatic I'd say!




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On Wed, 09 Jan 2002 17:08:50 GMT, No Spam  wrote:

>On 8 Jan 2002 21:31:24 -0800,
>in edm.general
>tcantine@incentre.net (Thomas Cantine) used both functioning neurons to
>say:
>
>>   Okay. Let's say, for the sake of argument, that a portion of the
>>money I pay for a bottle of ketchup goes to pay for the kosher
>>inspection. I'm not Jewish, I don't care if my food is kosher or not,
>>so I should be outraged to have to pay such a cost?
>
>I don't know what upsets you, so it's kind of hard to made that
>determination.

>Does it upset you that the Orthodox Jewish (and psuedo-Orthodox
>'sects' practice of Kosher certification is relevant to only a small
>portion of all Jewish people?
>
>Does it upset you that the Moslem religion has the equivalent
>certification process called Halal, and that it is relevant to most
>Moslems? 
>
>Would you be upset if the Vatican council decided that in the
>interests of the health of Catholics that they set up a business
>entity to certify what is fit for Catholics to eat?
>
>Would it upset you with the hundreds of other religions in the world
>did the same....after all it only adds $0.0005 cents per item per religion?
>
>>   Except, the same thing applies to a lot of the other expenses
>>hidden in the cost of my bottle of ketchup. I don't want to have to
>>pay for TV commercials, but that's covered through the money they make
>>when I buy ketchup. Why should I have to pay for ANY of their
>>promotional costs? After all, I already know the product exists, and
>>decided to buy it; why should I pay to convince someone else to buy
>>it?
>
>>   That's just business. Companies will spend money to promote their
>>products, and cover those costs through increased sales. Further, they
>>will target their promotional costs to those market segments that seem
>>worthwhile. Presumably the COR food products makers see the Jewish
>>segment of the market as big enough to justify the expense. This is no
>>religious tax; it's a marketing expense.
>
>To some degree the linkage between the two expenses is valid.
>But considering the cost of Kosher certification is relevant to less
>than 1% of the population it doesn't seem logical to have everyone
>forced to bear the cost.
>
>I guess we could also get into the issue of corporate and business
>profits and expenses tied to religion and start discussing business
>interests owned by religious figures such as Rev Moon, Pat
>Robertson, Jim Baker and so on in a rather long list, but why bother.
>It's about as relevant as relating the matter to ketchup and
>advertising expenses.
>
> You did know that of the roughly 300 million people in the US
>and Canada the Jewish population is only about 6 million or
>about 2%, and of that figure only a smaller percentage of
>Jewish people strictly follow Orthodox (and pseudo Orthodox)
>Kosher religious law.
>
>You did know that the story about Kosher certification being of
>benefit to Moslems is bullshit, because Moslems look for Halal
>certification on those products that are relevant.
>
>Actually if you do some research on Halal, you'll find out that it
>makes a hell of a lot more sense, because it is based in simple
>common sense rather than superstition, and is far closer allied to
>North American standards and accepted government food
>regulation.
>
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>Would you be upset if the Vatican council decided that in the
>interests of the health of Catholics that they set up a business
>entity to certify what is fit for Catholics to eat?

NO! A THOUSAND TIMES NO!!

I vote for a Catholic food certification program. I think they are the
most creative having given the world  Benedictine liquor and
fantastic wine. No other major religion has looked after the 'spirits'
of its believers like the Catholics.
A toast to the monks and god bless everyone of them! I'll gladly pay
for what they brew!




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On Wed, 09 Jan 2002 16:14:00 GMT, Patrick Gallagher
 wrote:

>tyler wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 08 Jan 2002 23:42:36 GMT, Patrick Gallagher
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> stuff cut
>> 
>> 
>>>nope - just a hope that you fail in your twisted mission to corrupt 
>>>minds. I don't wish anything other than a long life and a natural death 
>>>upon anyone, yourself included.
>>>Patrick
>>>
>> 
>> Now its a twisted mission to corrupt minds. This over discussion on
>> the added cost of kosher certification of ordinary food products.
>> 
>> You and our people are very sick Patrick. Very sick indeed.
>> 
>> tyle
>> 
>> 
>
>who are my people?
>
>last I checked, I was a tall, white, blond haired, blue eyed atheist. 
>I've got a german, russian, and irish background. My family tree is full 
>of people that are either Anglican or Catholic.
>
>I've been mistaken for a skinhead on many occasions in the past, and had 
>I been living in germany pre-WW2 I probably would have been recruited by 
>the Nazi party.
>
>Fact of the matter is, I have enough capacity for free throught that I 
>can form actual informed opinions on matters, and racism (which is all 
>this crap you've been spewing is - inventing reasons to hate people that 
>you think, incorrectly, are different from you) is bullshit. Anyone who 
>actually makes an EFFORT to invent reasons to hate other people is a 
>truly sick individual.
>
>Patrick

Well most of this post  is nonsense and is not really interesting.
You are inventing a reason for hate by ignoring the obvious and your
capacity for free thought is an illusion.  You have to have an open
mind before your thoughts can be free.

It must be the Russian in you. 




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On 9 Jan 2002 05:04:15 -0800, philnancy@aol.com (Philip Mathews)
wrote:

>tyler  wrote in message news:...
>
>> On Wed, 09 Jan 2002 00:20:41 GMT, "Philip Mathews"
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> >
>> >
>> >ROTFL
>> >
>> >So much for Waldo's proof!
>> >
>> >(snip)
>> 
>> 
>> The true value of kosher food tax to rabbinical councils can be
>> measured by the volume and ferocity of attack against those who
>> question it. 
>
>Ferocity!
>
>The true value of the lie of a Kosher Tax is that those peddling the
>lie know it's not a tax, and pretend to prove it's very expensive
>without even knowing how much it costs.
>> 
>> By the insult and sheer volume of denials common sense dictates that
>> the food tax is worth more than admitted.
>
>Common sense is absent from your statement.


Aww common. Try and make your own stuff up for a change.

As for knowing how much it costs, do you? I mean exactly, 
If you don't then just where does your opinion come from? Certainly
not from intelligent  thought. 

You have been conditioned. Bell rings and you salivate. Good dog.

tyler


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On Wed, 09 Jan 2002 16:15:01 GMT, Patrick Gallagher
 wrote:

>tyler wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 09 Jan 2002 00:20:41 GMT, "Philip Mathews"
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>>
>>>ROTFL
>>>
>>>So much for Waldo's proof!
>>>
>>>(snip)
>>>
>> 
>> 
>> The true value of kosher food tax to rabbinical councils can be
>> measured by the volume and ferocity of attack against those who
>> question it. 
>> 
>> By the insult and sheer volume of denials common sense dictates that
>> the food tax is worth more than admitted.
>> 
>> tyler
>> 
>> ...only dead fish go with the flow 
>> 
>
>so tyler, are you just mad at your jewish ancestors for something?
>
>Patrick

huh? How in the hell do you people get this from my questioning a
hidden cost of food products? It makes no difference if it's Catholic
or Jewish yet you continually focus on the fact that it is Jewish.

Explain that will you? 

tyler


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On Wed, 09 Jan 2002 17:23:20 GMT, tarpon27@yahoo.com wrote:

>On Wed, 09 Jan 2002 07:35:08 GMT, tyler 
>wrote:
>
>
>
>>The true value of kosher food tax to rabbinical councils can be
>>measured by the volume and ferocity of attack against those who
>>question it. 
>>
>>By the insult and sheer volume of denials common sense dictates that
>>the food tax is worth more than admitted.
>>
>>tyler
>>
>>...only dead fish go with the flow 
>
>
>Not according to *you*.
>

Wow what a clever mind. Clearly I am fencing with a master of
witlessness.

 TARPON Megalops atlanticus 

Description: Last ray of dorsal fin extended into long filament; one
dorsal fin; back dark blue to green or greenish black, shading into
bright silver on the sides; may be brownish gold in estuarine waters;
huge scales; mouth large and points upward. 

Note the mouth is large and it point up. Pretty good description of
your comments.

>
>----------------
>Subject: Re: BOYCOTT THE COR- Religious Tax on Our Homegrown Canadian
>Food!
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>Until the books of companies are opened to public inspection all that
>was written is pure speculation. The costs are spread over so many
>products that it is minimal per product and per purchase. It is not
>minimal as a whole. No one is giving actual figures for the cost. It's
>all handled by spin doctors.
>
>tyler
>--------------------
>
>Hmmm...
>
>"The costs are spread over so many
>products that it is minimal per product and per purchase."
>
>Sorta kills your argument, doesn't it?



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On Wed, 09 Jan 2002 17:29:30 GMT, John Morris
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>In <3c3c7be7.7612333@news.mindspring.com> in alt.revisionism, on Wed,
>09 Jan 2002 17:23:20 GMT, tarpon27@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 09 Jan 2002 07:35:08 GMT, tyler
>>  wrote:
> 
>> 
> 
>> >The true value of kosher food tax to rabbinical councils can be
>> >measured by the volume and ferocity of attack against those who
>> >question it. 
>
>> >By the insult and sheer volume of denials common sense dictates
>> >that the food tax is worth more than admitted.
>
>> >tyler
>
>> >...only dead fish go with the flow 
> 
>> Not according to *you*.
> 
>> ----------------
>> Subject: Re: BOYCOTT THE COR- Religious Tax on Our Homegrown
>> Canadian Food!
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>
>> Until the books of companies are opened to public inspection all
>> that was written is pure speculation. The costs are spread over so
>> many products that it is minimal per product and per purchase. It
>> is not minimal as a whole. No one is giving actual figures for the
>> cost. It's all handled by spin doctors.
> 
>> tyler
>> --------------------
> 
>> Hmmm...
> 
>> "The costs are spread over so many
>> products that it is minimal per product and per purchase."
> 
>> Sorta kills your argument, doesn't it?
>
>Kills it, cremates it, and scatters its ashes to the wind.
>
>It is an argument writ on water.
>
>If he hadn't nailed it to the perch. . . .


Jeezus you are really stupid. By minimizing cost to the consumer to
the point that they barely notice it the religious tax becomes an
accepted part of life. It will spread to every consumer commodity
whether related to kosher preparation or not. The final tally of
billions of products sold every year, each product being taxed at a
fraction of a cent is a terrific windfall to one religious group,
namely orthodox rabbis. 

Take out your calculator and multiply one half a cent by 5 billion
items and see what you get - and try not to make a mistake like the
others. The one half cent is not noticeable by the consumer as *I
said*. That doesn't mean that a profit is made. This is the basis of
all scams that started with the rounding off error of early banking
days. Do you even know what I'm talking about? 

my god you people are really stupid. do you even have high school? I
know Canadian education is diving, are you from Ontario? That's where
education suffered the most.

Well do the math and report back to me to see if you have finally
gotten it right and understand how even a half cent tax per item can
turn large profits.

professor tyler


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On Wed, 09 Jan 2002 19:03:28 GMT, tarpon27@yahoo.com wrote:

>On Wed, 09 Jan 2002 17:29:30 GMT, John Morris
> wrote:
>
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>>In <3c3c7be7.7612333@news.mindspring.com> in alt.revisionism, on Wed,
>>09 Jan 2002 17:23:20 GMT, tarpon27@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 09 Jan 2002 07:35:08 GMT, tyler
>>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>> 
>>> >The true value of kosher food tax to rabbinical councils can be
>>> >measured by the volume and ferocity of attack against those who
>>> >question it. 
>>
>>> >By the insult and sheer volume of denials common sense dictates
>>> >that the food tax is worth more than admitted.
>>
>>> >tyler
>>
>>> >...only dead fish go with the flow 
>> 
>>> Not according to *you*.
>> 
>>> ----------------
>>> Subject: Re: BOYCOTT THE COR- Religious Tax on Our Homegrown
>>> Canadian Food!
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>>> References: 
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>>> Until the books of companies are opened to public inspection all
>>> that was written is pure speculation. The costs are spread over so
>>> many products that it is minimal per product and per purchase. It
>>> is not minimal as a whole. No one is giving actual figures for the
>>> cost. It's all handled by spin doctors.
>> 
>>> tyler
>>> --------------------
>> 
>>> Hmmm...
>> 
>>> "The costs are spread over so many
>>> products that it is minimal per product and per purchase."
>> 
>>> Sorta kills your argument, doesn't it?
>>
>>Kills it, cremates it, and scatters its ashes to the wind.
>>
>>It is an argument writ on water.
>>
>>If he hadn't nailed it to the perch. . . .
>
>
>
>I believe the term is that he "Irvinged" himself...
>
>
>
>>
>>- -- 
>> John Morris                                
>> at University of Alberta  
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I'll give you the same homework assignment.

Multiply 5 billion products by a one half cent tax that is not
noticeable and see what profit you make.

morons.


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On Wed, 09 Jan 2002 16:17:59 GMT, Patrick Gallagher
 wrote:

>tyler wrote:
>
>> The true value of the kosher food tax to rabbinical councils can be
>> measured by the volume and ferocity of attack against those who
>> question it. 
>> 
>> By the insult and sheer volume of denials that can be observed on the
>> newsgroups common sense dictates that the food tax is worth more than
>> admitted.
>> 
>> tyler
>> 
>> ...only dead fish go with the flow 
>> 
>
>holy lack of creative thought batman!
>
>could you post the same thing repeatedly some more so we can spend more 
>time laughing at how dumb you are please :)
>
>Patrick

ok


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On Wed, 09 Jan 2002 02:53:36 -0500, Steven Mock 
wrote:

>Waldo wrote:
>
>> "tyler"  wrote in message
>> news:pdsn3u82qlam374tghq9npcg0tq5s59bom@4ax.com...
>
>> > By the insult and sheer volume of denials common sense dictates that
>> > the food tax is worth more than admitted.
>> >
>> > tyler
>> >
>> > ...only dead fish go with the flow
>> 
>> Excellent points, Tyler.
>> 
>> Jews and their apologists do raise an extraordinary hue and cry whenever the
>> subject is mentioned, don't they?
>
>Nah.  We're just bored because no one on alt.revisionism wasn't to talk
>about revisionism anymore.
>
>And anyway, people generally get upset when they're unfairly accused of
>something they didn't do, don't they, Waldo?  Particularly when the
>accusation is based on racist stereotypes and generalizations.
>
>If we didn't bother to answer your posts, you'd probably claim to have
>beaten us, wouldn't you?
>
>Steven Mock

You are not the target. You're already f*cked up man. Don't flatter
yourself.

what a laugh

tyler


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On Wed, 09 Jan 2002 02:40:40 -0500, Steven Mock 
wrote:

>tyler wrote:
>
>> By the insult and sheer volume of denials that can be observed on the
>> newsgroups common sense dictates that the food tax is worth more than
>> admitted.
>
>Did this guy just invent a new logical fallacy, or is there a word for
>this?
>
>Steven Mock


yeah, i invented it.  sorry to twist your brain so much.

go out and read a philosophy book idiot.

tyler




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On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 05:44:41 GMT, "Philip Mathews"
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>"tyler"  wrote in message
>news:go7q3ucu8uue306r1duuvjhquqk3mmb3og@4ax.com...
>
>> On 9 Jan 2002 05:04:15 -0800, philnancy@aol.com (Philip Mathews)
>> wrote:
>>
>> >tyler  wrote in message
>news:...
>> >
>> >> On Wed, 09 Jan 2002 00:20:41 GMT, "Philip Mathews"
>> >>  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >ROTFL
>> >> >
>> >> >So much for Waldo's proof!
>> >> >
>> >> >(snip)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> The true value of kosher food tax to rabbinical councils can be
>> >> measured by the volume and ferocity of attack against those who
>> >> question it.
>> >
>> >Ferocity!
>> >
>> >The true value of the lie of a Kosher Tax is that those peddling the
>> >lie know it's not a tax, and pretend to prove it's very expensive
>> >without even knowing how much it costs.
>> >>
>> >> By the insult and sheer volume of denials common sense dictates that
>> >> the food tax is worth more than admitted.
>> >
>> >Common sense is absent from your statement.
>
>> As for knowing how much it costs, do you? I mean exactly,
>
>The only people who know exactly how much it costs are the companies who
>desire it.
>
>Now why don't you tell me  how poor Waldo claims to have proven that Kosher
>certification costs more than it could possibly return if he doesn't know
>how much it costs?
>
>Take your time, and you may use a calculator.

We can only speculate. Waldo at least makes an honest attempt. What
the hell do you do? The truth has to be estimated right now.

You like to sound important since there is no substance to your
thoughts. You deny the notion that there is a religious hidden tax on
foods without any thought to its value. 

go on, go lick your balls in the corner and try again..





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On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 05:14:55 GMT, tyler 
wrote:


>my god you people are really stupid. do you even have high school? I
>know Canadian education is diving, are you from Ontario? That's where
>education suffered the most.
>
>Well do the math and report back to me to see if you have finally
>gotten it right and understand how even a half cent tax per item can
>turn large profits.
>
>professor tyler

I apologize to the Ontarians. I just realized that many of these guys
are Americans and it goes without saying how dumb they are. Betcha
they don't even know the capital of Canada.

tyler


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Subject: You asked for it! Proof that COR religous tax on food costs consumers
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You asked for it! Proof that COR religous tax on food costs consumers

It has been said by zionists and orthodox that the COR tax on Canadian
food does not cost the consumer. Of course this is ridiculous and the
proof is easily found.

COR stands for Council of Orthodox Jews. They certify foods as kosher.
Foods such as Heinz Ketchup and Windsor Salt, and non foods such as
aluminum foil and bleach, have COR certification. Look at the label,
if you see COR followed by a number then the manufacturer pays rabbis
to inspect food, facilities and preparation methods. If they conform
to religious law then the product is certified as kosher. 



The following has been snipped from:

http://www.kosherquest.org/html/Reliable_Kosher_Symbols.htm

Pay attention to the fact that kosher certification, in other words
rabbinical organizations, can derive profit. COR certification costs
are passed along to the consumer by the manufacturer and a religious
organization is profitting. Canadian consumers must boyocott any COR
certified food product to stop a religion from hijiacking Canadian
food production and unfairly profiting from the sale of food items.

The website explains:

Once contact with a certifying agency is made, the detective work
begins. The manufacturer must supply a complete, detailed list of
every ingredient in the product, including preservatives, release
agents, stabilizers or other inert ingredients. In addition, every
step in the manufacturing process, every cleansing agent used on the
equipment and all other products produced on the same premises require
close investigation and supervision. 

The certifying agency must track down each ingredient to its ultimate
source. If, for instance, the ingredient is meat or a meat by-product,
the item cannot be kosher unless the meat source itself is strictly
kosher. Wine and wine by-products, cheese, and some dairy by-products
(such as whey) present the same problem. Any oil used in the
manufacture of foodstuffs has to be traced back to the oil processor.
The supervising agency must conduct a complete and intense
investigation into the origin of all the ingredients.

The results of all these investigations are forwarded to the rabbinic
authority (or board) of the supervising agency. If changes in
ingredients or processes are required, the manufacturer must make the
changes before the agency will do further work. Once all is
acceptable, the rabbinic authority will determine the amount of
on-plant supervision necessary. This information is written into a
contract and then sent to the manufacturer. 


The cost of certification to the manufacturer is minimal. For
non-profit agencies, cost depends on the amount of on-site work.
Agencies making a profit might have a minimum annual charge and fees
depending on the gross annual sales of the product. 

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

The cost is minimial to the manufacturer because they are passed on to
the consumer. The consumer pays 100% of the costs, no wonder they say
that! 

...and whoever heard of a rabbinical agency not making money. They
likely all have a minimum annual charge and fees based on the gross
annual sales of the product.

The website claims that certification increases sales. Ask your
friends and neighbours if they  know what COR means. Unless they are
Jewish, they won't have any idea. So much for sales being increased
because something is certified.

tyler
the consumer watchdog!!! 


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On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 05:44:41 GMT, "Philip Mathews"
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>"tyler"  wrote in message
>news:go7q3ucu8uue306r1duuvjhquqk3mmb3og@4ax.com...
>
>> On 9 Jan 2002 05:04:15 -0800, philnancy@aol.com (Philip Mathews)
>> wrote:
>>
>> >tyler  wrote in message
>news:...
>> >
>> >> On Wed, 09 Jan 2002 00:20:41 GMT, "Philip Mathews"
>> >>  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >ROTFL
>> >> >
>> >> >So much for Waldo's proof!
>> >> >
>> >> >(snip)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> The true value of kosher food tax to rabbinical councils can be
>> >> measured by the volume and ferocity of attack against those who
>> >> question it.
>> >
>> >Ferocity!
>> >
>> >The true value of the lie of a Kosher Tax is that those peddling the
>> >lie know it's not a tax, and pretend to prove it's very expensive
>> >without even knowing how much it costs.
>> >>
>> >> By the insult and sheer volume of denials common sense dictates that
>> >> the food tax is worth more than admitted.
>> >
>> >Common sense is absent from your statement.
>
>> As for knowing how much it costs, do you? I mean exactly,
>
>The only people who know exactly how much it costs are the companies who
>desire it.
>
>Now why don't you tell me  how poor Waldo claims to have proven that Kosher
>certification costs more than it could possibly return if he doesn't know
>how much it costs?
>
>Take your time, and you may use a calculator.

Snipped from:

http://www.kosherquest.org/html/Reliable_Kosher_Symbols.htm

The cost of certification to the manufacturer is minimal. For
non-profit agencies, cost depends on the amount of on-site work.
Agencies making a profit might have a minimum annual charge and fees
depending on the gross annual sales of the product. 

************************************************************************

Note that the rabbinical organizations have a choice.
Non - profit certification or certification for profit.
 
The fact is that some if not most certify foods for PROFIT!

OK? If it were ALL not profit MAYBEEEEE it wouldn't be that big of a
deal. But they do it for profit, and profit for a rabbi as evidenced
by the Reichmann family is the same as god.

The rabbis had a choice. They chose profit. How much profit is
irrelevant.

tyler


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Profit from COR, the Kosher tax on foods - The choice was made

Snipped from:

http://www.kosherquest.org/html/Reliable_Kosher_Symbols.htm

The cost of certification to the manufacturer is minimal. For
non-profit agencies, cost depends on the amount of on-site work.
Agencies making a profit might have a minimum annual charge and fees
depending on the gross annual sales of the product. 

************************************************************************

Note that the rabbinical organizations have a choice.
Non - profit certification or certification for profit.
 
The fact is that some if not most certify foods for PROFIT! Based on
gross annual sales! That's a lot of ketchup! 

If it were ALL not profit MAYBEEEEE it wouldn't be that big of a deal.
But they do it for profit, and profit for a rabbi as evidenced by the
Reichmann family is the same as god.

The rabbis had a choice. They chose profit. How much profit is
irrelevant. They could have chosen to organize all non-profit
certification councils. 

Canadian consumers ARE allowing a religion to profit from sales of
ordinary food items.

tyler


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On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:37:07 GMT, John Morris
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>In  in alt.revisionism,
>on Thu, 10 Jan 2002 05:14:55 GMT, tyler 
>wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 09 Jan 2002 17:29:30 GMT, John Morris
>>  wrote:
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>> >In <3c3c7be7.7612333@news.mindspring.com> in alt.revisionism, on
>> >Wed, 09 Jan 2002 17:23:20 GMT, tarpon27@yahoo.com wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Wed, 09 Jan 2002 07:35:08 GMT, tyler
>> >>  wrote:
>> > 
>> >> 
>> > 
>> >> >The true value of kosher food tax to rabbinical councils can be
>> >> >measured by the volume and ferocity of attack against those who
>> >> >question it. 
>> >
>> >> >By the insult and sheer volume of denials common sense dictates
>> >> >that the food tax is worth more than admitted.
>> >
>> >> >tyler
>> >
>> >> >...only dead fish go with the flow 
>> > 
>> >> Not according to *you*.
>> > 
>> >> ----------------
>> >> Subject: Re: BOYCOTT THE COR- Religious Tax on Our Homegrown
>> >> Canadian Food!
>> >> Message-ID: 
>> >> References: 
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>> >
>> >> Until the books of companies are opened to public inspection all
>> >> that was written is pure speculation. The costs are spread over
>> >> so many products that it is minimal per product and per
>> >> purchase. It is not minimal as a whole. No one is giving actual
>> >> figures for the cost. It's all handled by spin doctors.
>> > 
>> >> tyler
>> >> --------------------
>> > 
>> >> Hmmm...
>> > 
>> >> "The costs are spread over so many
>> >> products that it is minimal per product and per purchase."
>
>> >> Sorta kills your argument, doesn't it?
>
>> >Kills it, cremates it, and scatters its ashes to the wind.
>
>> >It is an argument writ on water.
>
>> >If he hadn't nailed it to the perch. . . .
> 
>> Jeezus you are really stupid. By minimizing cost to the consumer to
>> the point that they barely notice it the religious tax becomes an
>> accepted part of life.
>
>Your point?
>
>> It will spread to every consumer commodity
>> whether related to kosher preparation or not. The final tally of
>> billions of products sold every year, each product being taxed at a
>> fraction of a cent is a terrific windfall to one religious group,
>> namely orthodox rabbis. 
>
>So?
> 
>> Take out your calculator and multiply one half a cent by 5 billion
>> items and see what you get
>
>I don't buy 5 billion items a year.  Tell me why I should care?
>
>> - and try not to make a mistake like the
>> others. The one half cent is not noticeable by the consumer as *I
>> said*.
>
>And so I care why exactly?
>
>> That doesn't mean that a profit is made. This is the basis of
>> all scams that started with the rounding off error of early banking
>> days. Do you even know what I'm talking about? 
> 
>> my god you people are really stupid. do you even have high school?
>> I know Canadian education is diving, are you from Ontario? That's
>> where education suffered the most.
> 
>> Well do the math and report back to me to see if you have finally
>> gotten it right and understand how even a half cent tax per item
>> can turn large profits.
>
>And I should care why?
>
>> professor tyler
>
>C'mon, perfesser.  You're the smart one.  I'm the stupid one. 
>Explain to me why I should care whether the stuff in my kitchen
>cupboard is acceptable to a religious niche market when the aggregate
>cost to me might amount to a whole penny a year.

Because it's not all about YOU. As an individual you are meaningless.
That's right! It's noit about YOU.

It is the collective that is affected by a religion. The costs are not
associated with nutrition.

>
>See if you can do it without the assumption that I should share your
>personal animus against Jews.

I have no animus against Jews. I have animus against unfair secretive
costs that are passed on to me.  As I have continually said, and you
continually ignore for personal reasons, if the tax was Catholic I
would be just as pissed off. 

What is your personal agenda that you have decided to ignore the
obvious?

Well, that's a rhetorical question isn't it? As a typical Canadian you
just ignore anything at all that is controversial. If you cannot
envision how something can affect you you ignore it. If you cannot
envision how you can change something you rationalize it. Canadians
are known throughout the world as wimps and you unfortunately are but
a common sample of the herd. As such you have nothing of value to say,
just shut up and pay everybody what they want. But don't try and bring
me down to your level of stupour. What makes you uncomfortable is the
fact that I have decided to actually do something about an inequity.
To make yourself feel better you just put if off as racism when it is
obvious that it is not. Just go back to sleep and ignore all this.

tyler




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From: tyler 
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On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:54:46 GMT, Patrick Gallagher
 wrote:

>>
>>
>>
>>I'll give you the same homework assignment.
>>
>>Multiply 5 billion products by a one half cent tax that is not
>>noticeable and see what profit you make.
>>
>>morons.
>>
>same profit as I would have made before... except it's 6.5 millionths of 
>a cent, it's built in to the cost, and it's a fee to the manufacturer 
>that's too small to be passed on to the consumer... this is added to the 
>cost before the markup, so it doesn't affect profits at all, with the 
>exception of the 440 million dollars in profits garnered from the ethnic 
>Jewish folk that require kosher... and another 300 million or more from 
>other groups that also require kosher, albeit for other than religious 
>reasons. 700 million in profits for roughly 27 million in costs - if you 
>do the math, you'll see the truth.
>
>Of course... you won't - but that's your problem :)
>
>enjoy your kosher frootloops
>
>Patrick

The truth is not out there since all transactions and accounts are
secret. Anything else on your rant is pure speculation that is used to
support the purpose and intent of a religion profitting from food
distribution. 

If the books were opened to public inspection this topic would be
decided one way or the other. It's very simple. Wonder why you can't
think of that?

tyler  


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On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:54:06 GMT, John Morris
 wrote:

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>In <4efq3ugh59bl7er3cn9r40efpfahbpbctg@4ax.com> in alt.revisionism,
>on Thu, 10 Jan 2002 07:11:09 GMT, tyler 
>wrote:
>
>[snip]
>
>> Snipped from:
> 
>> http://www.kosherquest.org/html/Reliable_Kosher_Symbols.htm
>> 
>> The cost of certification to the manufacturer is minimal. For
>> non-profit agencies, cost depends on the amount of on-site work.
>> Agencies making a profit might have a minimum annual charge and
>> fees depending on the gross annual sales of the product. 
>
>
>In the same paragraph:
>
>  There is usually no increase in the price of the product due
>  to its kosher certification, because the cost of certification
>  is generally met by increased sales. The O/U reports that in
>  over 45 years, fewer than 12 companies discontinued their
>  certification programs because sales did not increase.  
> 
>> Note that the rabbinical organizations have a choice.
>
>Note that companies also have a choice.
>
>> Non - profit certification or certification for profit.
>  
>> The fact is that some if not most certify foods for PROFIT!
> 
>> OK? If it were ALL not profit MAYBEEEEE it wouldn't be that big of
>> a deal. But they do it for profit, and profit for a rabbi as
>> evidenced by the Reichmann family is the same as god.
> 
>> The rabbis had a choice. They chose profit. How much profit is
>> irrelevant.
>
>So basically your argument boils down to saying Jews should not have
>the right to charge fees for services voluntarily contracted by food
>producers.
>
>Which is pretty much the same as saying that you hate Jews, and you'd
>like the rest of us to hate Jews, too.

Nothing is voluntary in business.  As a student you have no idea of
what you're talking about.



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On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:40:53 -0800, Andrew Carol
 wrote:

>In article <3C3E1145.3020105@hotmail.com>, Patrick Gallagher
> wrote:
>
>>   If your assertion that the cost per item was half a cent... then maybe 
>> you'd have a point - however, the major manufacturers that have 
>> commented all stated what it cost them, and that the cost was offset by 
>> increased profits - and you yourself have provided numbers showing how 
>> it increased their profits (over 700 million dollars). The cost of the 
>> certifications is absorbed by the manufacturers, it has no affect on 
>> pricing at all. An item that would be $2.9868564 sells for $2.99 - the 
>> same item with that cost figured in would be $2.9968570, which still 
>> sells for $2.99 - where is the difference to you? In the grand scheme of 
>> things, the companies might be giving up 20-30 million overall in 
>> profits to begin with, but when that nets them an additional 700 
>> million, it's not much of a sacrifice.
>
>Going Kosher could, in some cases, lower prices.  If the added cost per
>item is a fraction of a cent, but sales increase the higher volume may
>allow better economies of scale and distribution.
>
>For most companies, going Kosher is no different than finding a way to
>label a product "heart smart" or "low fat".  It's all marketing.  They
>do it for the selfish reason of raising profits.  That is a good thing.
>
>
>They've done the math and realise that the added revenue would increase
>profits more than the expense of certification would cost them.
>
>For companies which would realise no such benefit Kosher would not even
>be considered.
>
>If being Kosher was costing a company too much it would back out so
>fast your head would spin.  Can anybody ever point to a company being
>"scanctioned" for deciding to no longer claim Kosher certification?
>
>---- Andy

The COR certification is imposed by a special interest group. The
costs are absorbed by the consumer NOT by the company.  So your
argument is meaningless.

Back to the banking example. Round off error in accounts can garner
millions. No one notices. Banks still profit. OK? Understand? They
still profit!

Now if the rabbis donated profits that they garner as a result of
certification  to a non-denominational charity like the United Way
then MAYBE it would not stink so much.

tyler.




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On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 23:40:54 GMT, John Morris
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>on Thu, 10 Jan 2002 21:56:24 GMT, tyler 
>wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:37:07 GMT, John Morris
>>  wrote:
>
>> >In  in
>> >alt.revisionism, on Thu, 10 Jan 2002 05:14:55 GMT, tyler
>> > wrote:
>
>[snip]
>
>> >And I should care why?
>
>> >> professor tyler
>
>> >C'mon, perfesser.  You're the smart one.  I'm the stupid one. 
>> >Explain to me why I should care whether the stuff in my kitchen
>> >cupboard is acceptable to a religious niche market when the
>> >aggregate cost to me might amount to a whole penny a year.
> 
>> Because it's not all about YOU. As an individual you are
>> meaningless. That's right! It's noit about YOU.
>
>I disagree.  It is about me and millions of others like me.  The
>effects of kosher certification, if they are felt at all, are felt by
>individuals.

Millions like YOU? That's funny. Million do not know what COR is. But
don't let the truth waylay you.

> 
>> It is the collective that is affected by a religion.
>
>The collective?  The collective is a collectivist fiction.
>
>Certainly human beings are social animals and live in societies.

Well, animals anyway...

>
>Perhaps you could explain the bad effects on society of kosher
>certification.  So far you haven't.  All you've said is that it is
>"wrong."

The profits serve a special interest group that is not invovled in
actually getting the product to market. 



>
>> The costs are not
>> associated with nutrition.
>
>Your point?
> 
>> >See if you can do it without the assumption that I should share
>> >your personal animus against Jews.
> 
>> I have no animus against Jews.
>
>Oh suuuure.

Yeah, I thought so. Another paranoid...


>
>> I have animus against unfair secretive
>> costs that are passed on to me.
>
>These would be the costs which you seem to have no basis for
>defining.
>
>>  As I have continually said, and you
>> continually ignore for personal reasons,
>
>Continually?  I've only just started responding to you.  Continuous
>with what, pray?
>
>> if the tax was Catholic I
>> would be just as pissed off. 
> 
>> What is your personal agenda that you have decided to ignore the
>> obvious?
>
>You are very obvious.  Mostly I find there's no mileage in responding
>to idiots like you.
> 
>> Well, that's a rhetorical question isn't it? As a typical Canadian
>> you just ignore anything at all that is controversial. If you
>> cannot
>> envision how something can affect you you ignore it. If you cannot
>> envision how you can change something you rationalize it. Canadians
>> are known throughout the world as wimps and you unfortunately are
>> but a common sample of the herd. As such you have nothing of value
>> to say, just shut up and pay everybody what they want. But don't
>> try and bring me down to your level of stupour.
>
>
>Did you think that you _ad hominem_ rant was going to convince me? 
>What is it about your anger that is supposed to be so convincing?


Anger? I'm not angry at all. Don't be absurd. 


>
>It's not about you and your inability to contain your emotions.  Your
>emotions are quite irrelevant, since they do can scarcely have been
>caused by your having to pay a whole penny a year for kosher
>products.  You are feeling emotions on behalf of a collective which
>as an aggregate of individuals couldn't care less about a penny a
>year.
>
>Tell you what.  Since you feel the effects of this gross,
>penny-a-year inequity so keenly, why don't you buy non-kosher
>products?
>
>> What makes you uncomfortable is the
>> fact that I have decided to actually do something about an
>> inequity.  
>
>What inequity?
>
>> To make yourself feel better you just put if off as racism when it
>> is obvious that it is not.
>
>How is that so obvious?  The myth of the kosher tax is pretty much a
>staple of antisemitism.
>
>Perhaps you have been fooled by antisemites into adopting this as
>your foolish cause.  But that isn't very obvious.
>
>> Just go back to sleep and ignore all this.
>
>Oh, gosh, no.  I think you owe me an explanation.  Perhaps you could
>explain in calm, unemotional terms why it is an inequity for food
>processing companies to want to expand their markets by satisifying a
>religious minority's practices with respect to food products.

Because a special interest group profits unfairly by the process. 

Now if the rabbis donated profits that they garner as a result of
certification  to a non-denominational charity like the United Way
then MAYBE it would not stink so much. 

Of course you'll find that unacceptable as well being an animal and
all...

tyler.




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On Fri, 11 Jan 2002 02:04:59 GMT, tarpon27@yahoo.com wrote:

>On Fri, 11 Jan 2002 01:26:20 GMT, No Spam  wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 11 Jan 2002 01:08:52 GMT,
>>in bc.general
>>tyler  used both functioning neurons to say:
>>
>>>If the profits made by the rabbinical organizations that are obtained
>>>by the kosher food tax were turned over to the United Way Campaign
>>>then perhaps that would solve any misconceptions all around?
>>>
>>>Who doesn't agree with this?
>>
>>Shit, I'd be happy if **all** the $$$ got turned over to a Synagogue, to
>>help with congregation projects instead of lining someone's pocket.
>>
>>-------------------------------------------------------------
>>  All your posts are belong to ECHELON!
>>-------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>The largest kashrut organization is the Orthodox Union (OU), with over
>75% of the world's kosher foods certified by them.
>
>It is a non-profit organization made up of several divisions.
>

Yeah yeah, but not in Canada. Why don't you Americans f*ck off with
your propoganda and stay on your side of the border. As is common
knowledge Americans know jack shit about anything Canadian.

In Canada it's the COR and that is what I am talking about. 




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On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 17:07:04 -0800, Andrew Carol
 wrote:

>In article , tyler
> wrote:
>
>> 
>> The COR certification is imposed by a special interest group. The
>> costs are absorbed by the consumer NOT by the company.  So your
>> argument is meaningless.
>
>Explain the "imposed" part.
>
>They literally force an unwilling company to become Kosher?  How do
>they manage this?  Guns?  Lawsuits?  Black magic?

It's easy. The holocaust has given carte blanche to any jewish group
that wants to terrorize anyone that opposes their interests. If a
company was unwilling to allow inspection I'm sure it would be
labelled as anti-semitic. In this politically absurd world that is the
kiss of death.

You should read Norman Finkelstein's work on the holocaust industry
for deeper understanding of the political currents that affect your
life. (Thank god Finkelstein  is a Jew and son of concentration camp
survivors otherwise he would never have been taken seriously because
of the hysteria around this topic)

tyler


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On Fri, 11 Jan 2002 01:45:33 GMT, "Philip Mathews"
 wrote:
>Oh, you just say that because there are no thoughts to your substance!

Philip. You mean "no substance to your thoughts",  you dolt.

C'mon, if you're going to insult me then try and get it right.

tyler



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On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:59:22 -0800, "Waldo" 
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>
> wrote in message
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>> On Wed, 09 Jan 2002 07:24:50 GMT, tyler 
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Until the books of companies are opened to public inspection all that
>> >was written is pure speculation.
>>
>> Well, obviously that includes your posts, and since you offer
>> absolutely no numbers of any kind, your assertions in your original
>> post...
>>
>> [...]
>>
>> Yet the religious zealots that defend the secret religious tax on food
>> think their arguments will be believed.  They say the costs are
>> negligible.
>> On a million jars of ketchup? I do not think so and neither should
>> you. The costs are significant.
>>
>> [Since kosher costs, including initial inspection, twice yearly
>> inspections, and total fee are all fixed costs, this attempt to place
>> them as variable costs is simply deceptive--my note]
>>
>> [...]
>>
>> Boycott COR! The zionist and religious zealot's objections are so
>> strenuous that I suspect the costs are high indeed.
>>
>> [...]
>>
>> ...are based on what?
>>
>>
>> >The costs are spread over so many
>> >products that it is minimal per product and per purchase.
>>
>> Eureka! Kinda ruins your argument, doesn't it?
>>
>>
>>
>> One of the reasons it is so difficult to get cost data on kosher
>> certification is that the ADL article's statement...
>>
>> [...]
>>
>> The cost to the consumer for this service is a miniscule fraction of
>> the total production overhead; it is so negligible in practical terms
>> as to be virtually non-existent.
>>
>> [...]
>>
>> http://www.adl.org/special%5Freports/kosher%5Ftax/kosher%5Ffacts.html
>>
>> ...defines the very problem. IOW, "...total production overhead...".
>>
>> COGS or Cost of Goods Sold is the cost of items produced on variable
>> costs less overhead, burden, however an accountant may account for it
>> in accounting documents.
>>
>> If my production is "X" units, producing 10 times that amount, all
>> things being equal (no discounts in raw materials for purchasing more,
>> for example), than to produce 10X units will cost me 10 times more. It
>> is a linear relationship. I then have to add in total overhead (or
>> burden) divided between actual production to arrive at a per unit cost
>> of overhead.
>>
>> However, a standard fee for a *year* is part of my fixed overhead.
>> While I still must account for it as a cost, the more units I produce,
>> fixed overhead costs drop dramatically per unit.
>>
>> In the ice cream business, how does one calculate the kosher fees?
>>
>> By the product runs? Well, that is difficult.
>>
>> If I make *just* vanilla ice cream, I package that in a huge variety
>> of sizes, shapes, and packaging. I use it in 4 0z. "cups", ice cream
>> bars, drumsticks, pints, quarts, squares (square 1/2 gallon
>> containers), Convocans (round 1/2 gallon containers), 5 qrt pails, 3
>> gallon tubs, etc...
>>
>> Same ice cream...different packaging.
>>
>> Now, I also make all of that under different *labels*...copacking. At
>> the dairy, we copacked 4000 different private labels (grocery store
>> labels; each with their own line of flavors and sizes, and obviously,
>> unique packaging); they are the largest copacker in the ice cream
>> business even though their business is tiny compared to the big guns.
>>
>> So...the best way, maybe, is to calculate the kosher fees per gallon
>> of mix used to produce the final products, as the mix is the raw
>> material of blended ingredients that makes our ice cream. However,
>> that really isn't feasible, as there is "overrun" or air pumped into
>> the mix to make ice cream...without overrun, you would have a frozen
>> block of ice instead of creamy ice cream.
>>
>> And how much air is pumped in, determines selling price; less air
>> means higher priced items. Less expensive ice creams have more overrun
>> and, obviously, less expensive ingredients and lower butterfat counts.
>> The superpremiums have less air, much more costly ingredients, and
>> more butterfat, which is why they are so good.
>>
>> So, you now can tell me how I can tell you the kosher fee for a half
>> gallon of store brand vanilla I copack that sells for $3/half-gallon
>> ($6 a gallon) as compared to my superpremium of $3/pint ($24/gallon).
>>
>>
>> >It is not minimal as a whole.
>>
>> Sure it is, as compared to *your* point of contention that consumers
>> subsidize kosher certification of products and that said costs are
>> "high indeed"; you admitted as much above.
>>
>> Now  your point is some macro-economic postulate that the kosher fees
>> are some heavy burden to the food industry as a whole?
>>
>> It is extremely minimal as compared to the actual retail sales of food
>> through consumer purchases at grocery stores.
>>
>> According to the Detroit _News_ article, OU takes in $20 million
>> (reportedly) a year, and OU certifies 75 to 80% of ALL kosher products
>> world wide, by various estimates, including OU press releases.
>>
>> So...the other 25% of the kosher products are certified by all its
>> competitors, which would make the TOTAL cost of kosher certification:
>>
>> $20 million = (75%)(X), where X is the total kosher fees
>>
>> X = $20 million/0.75
>>
>> X = $26.66 million
>
>A fantasy figure. Are we to believe that the OK, the Star-K, the Star-D, the
>K of K, not to mention over a HUNDRED smaller Kash-R-Us agencies operate on
>a combined budget of $6.6 million?
>
>Let's see, divide your $6.6 million by JUST the big four (OU excluded) and
>that gives them annual revenues of only $1.6 miion each.
>
>Have a look at their websites, and tell me if you think this is reasonable:
>
>http://www.ok.org/
>
>http://www.star-k.org/
>
>http://www.kof-k.org/
>
>Now go to your cupboard, and see how many products these agencies "certify".
>
>And of course, this leaves absolutely NOTHING for the scores of SMALLER
>certification agencies, some of which can be seen here:
>
>http://www.kashrut.com/agencies/
>
>> If OU certifies 75% of ALL kosher products world-wide, they derive $20
>> million a year (and they are higher than other certifying bodies I
>> assume because their "brand" has a higher value to purchasing
>> consumers...which is why they have 75% of the market), then the rest
>> of the kosher organizations do $6.66 million per year.
>
>A total fantasy. See above.
>
>> At the same time, US grocery store sales are $435 billion per year,
>> or....
>>
>> $26.66 million/$435 billion = 0.000061%
>
>Um, Grocery stores may do $435 billion (actually, it's closer to $500
>billion), but only  $160 Billion is in Kosher Certified goods. So get your
>figures straight.
>
>Not that it matters, because your silly estimation that Kosher Certification
>*only* costs Americans $26 Million per year is a FANTASY, as I will prove
>beyond the shadow of a doubt below.
>
>> (No matter how you calculate it, this whole "controversy" keeps
>> getting back to hundred-thousandths or millionths of cost, whether in
>> fractiuons of a cent or in percentage of actual purchase price.)
>
>First of all, the article used the phrase "OVER $20 million", how MUCH over
>was NOT specified. It may be 21 million, or it may be a HUNDRED million.
>That the figure is deceptively low is evidenced by the fact that the same
>article mentioned that the OU employs 550 rabbis:
>
>$20,000,000 / 550 = $36,363.36 per year, or roughly $17.50 per hour average
>per Rabbi, *IF* every penny of this fantasy $20 million went solely to
>SALARIES. (Rabbis have to eat, and Kosher meat and cheese doesn't come
>cheap!)
>
>Now figure in overhead, office staff, and the fact that the figure would
>logically include "reimbursement" for the travel, hotel, and other expenses
>that companies are required to give as part of their contract.
>
>But the BIGGEST fallacy of your argument lies in your erroneous assumption
>that the costs of Kosher Certification are limited to the *fees* charged by
>the Kash-R-Us Rabbis.
>
>The fact is that paying the Kash-R-Us organization are likely the CHEAPEST
>part of the equation. Meeting the demands that the rabbis place on the
>companies in order keep their processes and facilities *in* compliance with
>the purely superstitious standards of Kosher is where the REAL Kosts of
>Kosher come in.
>
>Read the following description of a rabbi's activities in overseeing the
>Kosher status of a margarine plant - and keep in mind that it is PAID PLANT
>EMPLOYEES, and NOT the rabbi, who must do the work to keep the plant in
>compliance:
>
>**WARNING: THE FOLLOWING ARTICLES CONTAIN SHOCKING AND REVEALING
>INFORMATION, AND MAY CAUSE SERIOUS SIDE EFFECTS, SUCH AS SHATTERING MYTHS
>AND MISCONCEPTIONS. READER DISCRETION IS ADVISED**
>
>
>http://www.yikgh.org/torch471.htm
>____________________
>
>APPRECIATING THE MASHGIACH
>   Too often we think of a mashgiach in a food processing plant as someone
>of mediocre talent, an individual who turned to hashgacha because he could
>not do anything else. No doubt, as in most professions, there are those who
>excel while others remain mediocre mashgichim. To appreciate the task facing
>a mashgiach, let us consider what supervising a typical margarine facility
>involves.
>    Margarine is comprised of oil, water, emulsifiers, and some coloring.
>This blend is hydrogenated (set up for solidifying) using various catalysts
>and then whipped into solids or soft spreads through a tubular spinning
>refrigerator known as a votator. From the votator, the product continues to
>the packing line where it is molded and packaged.
>    Simple. right?
>    Well, consider for a moment the following issues facing kosher
>production. Keep in mind that many plants produce lard-based and/or
>gelatin-based margarine (non-kosher) in the low-fat varieties. All margarine
>plants produce a dairy variety in addition to a pareve one.
>    The process flow is:
>        1) The aqueous phase, where a brine of water and/or milk and
>emulsifiers are blended.
>        2) Churn tanks, where oil and coloring (beta carotene) are added to
>the blend.
>        3) Run tanks, where the entire mixture is processed in final stage
>before the votator.
>    The piping lines between all these tanks look like a massive network of
>crisscross and are often interchangeable. The mashgiach must master the
>layout of the plant in order to determine that kosher/pareve is connected to
>kosher/pareve.
>    If kashering is done in the plant, the mashgiach must be able to trace
>the lines to ensure that the proper equipment is being kashered. He must
>also monitor the temperature at various points to check that the water is at
>its boiling point throughout the entire kashering process.
>    Sometimes, the kosher/dairy/non-kosher lines will meet at a manifold
>where simply switching an elbow pipe causes the direction of the different
>lines to instantly change. The mashgiach along with the kashrut organization
>must devise a fail-safe system to prevent such mishaps.
>    All cooking in factories is done in steam-facilitated kettles, which
>means that hot water circulates through the thermal walls of these kettles
>and carries on to the next kettle. Water circulating around a kettle takes
>on the status of that kettle. If non-kosher water were to begin circulating
>around a kosher kettle, all the product in that kettle would become treif.
>    Therefore, a system must be devised to prevent the commingling of water
>circulating around the kettles. This task requires an in-depth knowledge of
>the plant's boiler and plumbing systems.
>    All margarine processors have remelt, i.e., product that does not meet
>specifications or which spilled out on the side during packing. This product
>gets returned to the beginning of production to be reprocessed. The remelt
>is either manually transported or "hard-piped" back to the starting area.
>    When the product is hard-piped, the pipes are usually traced with hot
>water to keep the product soft. Here too, the tracer water must remain
>separate. And, great care must be exercised to see that dairy, pareve, or
>non-kosher remelt is transported to the beginning of its respective line.
>    All of this does not take into account the complexities of kashering the
>kettles, lines, heat exchanges, votators, or packing lines. Nor does it take
>into account monitoring ingredients and overseeing bulk deliveries of oils,
>not to mention the kashrut status of the trucks or rail cars used to deliver
>these oils.
>    So, the next time you see a mashgiach for a reputable organization, give
>him a well-deserved "Y'Yasher Kochacha."
>_____________________
>
>Do you still think that Kash-R-Us fees are the only expense companies face
>in the Kosher process?
>
>As noted in the above article, boilers and "steam kettles" are used
>extensively in the foods industries. The steam which circulates around these
>steam kettles creates a major problem for superstitious Jews, who believe
>that the "flavor" of a non-kosher product can pass through **solid stainless
>steel** and into a closed steam system, and then AGAIN through **solid
>stainless steel** and into Kosher products being heated by the same boiler!
>
>If this is a problem for Jewish superstition, it is a MAJOR headache (and
>expense) for companies trying to satisfy the Jews, whose beliefs defy the
>laws of physics.
>
>Read this:
>
>____________________
>
>http://www.kosherconsumer.org/boilers.htm
>
>Boilers In Kosher Production
>
>In order to process/ cook food you need heat. In the commercial & industrial
>food processing, steam & hot water are used extensively. We will first
>explain the basics of the "Steam" boiler operating system, & then the
>concerns to the kosher consumer afterwards. The source used for steam and
>hot water is a "boiler", heated by different fuels. A "Boiler" is a closed
>vessel containing water. The water in a steam boiler is pressurized and
>turned into steam when heat is added. The steam is then directed to
>different locations for use in processing food or food ingredients. The
>water that is lost in the steam cycle must be replaced. It takes one pound
>of water to produce one pound of steam. The boiler does different functions,
>it holds the water, transfers heat to the water to make steam, and collects
>the steam that is produced. The fire heats the water to about 212F and the
>water begins to boil and turns to steam. A pipe is put on top of the lid of
>the container (boiler) so the steam flows up through the pipe and leads the
>steam to where it is needed.
>
>The most efficient way to operate a boiler is to minimize the cost of
>producing the steam, or increasing the amount of steam while using the same
>amount of fuel. One way is by increasing the heating surface of the boiler,
>so that more heat is transferred to the water to produce steam. Some boilers
>use a large heating surface, it would be like laying the boiler on its side
>(the scotch marine type). Some boilers will use "fire tubes" (pipes), where
>the water passes through the pipes and the heat is on the outside. Others
>will have the heat passing through the pipes and the water on the outside of
>the pipes. The container, heat & water are still present, the only
>difference is that more water is put next to the heated metal.
>
>Water in the boiler is heated and turns to steam. The steam leaves the
>boiler by a pipe or pipes called the "Main", where it enters the "Header".
>From the header the steam enters branch lines, & is carried into risers &
>then to the steam heating equipment, usually a double walled vessel. The
>food /ingredient is in the equipment on one side of the wall & the steam is
>on the other side of the wall of the equipment. At this point the steam in
>the heating unit cools and turns to water called "condensate". The
>condensate is separated from the heating equipment by a "steam-trap" that
>allows condensate (water), but not steam, to pass through. The condensate
>goes into a "condensate-return-line", to a vacuum tank. A vacuum pump
>creates a vacuum that helps draw the water out of the condensate return line
>& in to the vacuum tank. The vacuum pump returns the water condensate to the
>boiler through the feed-water line. Once it has returned to the boiler, the
>water/ condensate again is turned into steam and the process repeats itself.
>Usually some additional (pre-heated) city water will also be required, as
>not all of the steam can be recaptured & returned as condensate.
>
>Steam is used to heat product by direct injection of live steam directly
>into the product. Our discussion is on low-pressure steam boilers, up to 15
>psi =(pounds per square inch). There is also the cast iron sectional boiler.
>A steam boiler is not filled with water to the top, so to leave room for the
>steam and for expansion. As the steam pressure increase there is a
>corresponding increase in the steam temperature. As an example steam at 10
>psi is 240F, steam at 15 psi is 250F. There will be a number of parts on a
>boiler to distinguish the steam boiler from the water boiler. We will list
>some of them; on the steam boiler: there will be a sight glass (attached to
>a water column) on the boiler to see the level of the water in the boiler. A
>pressure gauge 0-30 psi, connected to the highest part of the steam side of
>the boiler via a siphon (either a U-tube or a pigtail siphon). A safety
>valve (15 psi maximum). A low water cut-off, if the water in the boiler
>drops too low & there isn't sufficient make-up water from the condensate &
>or fresh water the boiler will shut down. A pressure control will be
>installed to control the boiler pressure. A number of blow-down valves to
>clear out the dirt & sludge from the boiler parts & from the water column.
>Fresh water that is added to the boiler contains minerals, impurities etc.
>which will settle on the tubes in the boiler and cause deterioration of the
>boiler so chemicals are usually added to the boiler overcome these and other
>problems. Most of the chemicals do not travel with the live steam but remain
>in the boiler or condensate. There will be additional fittings near the
>heating unit. Some of them are, a strainer, a trap, a condensate return
>line, a pump & a condensate holding tank.
>
>Some of the kosher concerns: The steam/condensate that comes in contact with
>the wall of the vessel heating the food product that is on the other side of
>the wall will absorb the taste of the product in the kettle. If the product
>is a non-kosher product it will render the steam/condensate non-kosher as it
>has absorbed the non-kosher taste. If the product is meat or dairy the
>steam/condensate will absorb the taste and become either meat or dairy. The
>steam condensate returns to the boiler and is reused, but we can only use it
>for the same type of product meat/dairy/non-kosher. To complicate the matter
>we may have many different kettles receiving their steam from the same
>source. The question remains how can we cook at the same time utilizing the
>same steam heat source? Solutions?
>
>One possibility is to drain the water from the boiler, the condensate tank
>and all of the lines. We would then leave it empty for 24 hours before
>filling up with fresh clean water. We would of course kosherize if need be.
>It would still not solve the problem of using the boiler for incompatible
>(=meat & dairy, non-kosher) product at the same time. We can disconnect the
>condensate return line from the non-compatible product, so the condensate
>will not return to the boiler. Some kosher certifiers will not use steam to
>heat incompatible product even when the condensate does not return to the
>boiler. In certain cases with some modifications they may allow the use. The
>goal is to introduce some way to make the boiler water / condensate
>unpalatable to humans (an unpleasant/or bitter taste). When the condensate
>water is unpalatable to humans, the condensate does not become meaty/dairy
>or non-kosher.
>
>We can introduce to the boiler chemicals that will achieve that goal. Most
>chemicals that are added to the boiler water do not travel with the steam.
>As the water turns to steam the chemicals and the impurities remain in the
>boiler water. Some of it eventually turn to sludge which has to be cleaned
>out. We need a chemical or product that will render the water unpalatable to
>humans and will also travel with the steam. There are a number of chemicals
>available, 2 of the chemicals that are commonly used are pine-oil & Bitrex.
>(Bitrex is the most bitter substance known). The exact amount of chemical to
>put in would depend on a number of factors. In the event that the
>manufacturing process uses live injected steam in some of their products we
>can not use the above solution. In the event that we can not introduce to
>the condensate water a chemical to make it unpalatable, and we can only
>introduce a chemical that remains in the boiler it will have to be unfit for
>even a dog's consumption, which is a much higher concentration than for
>humans. Some kosher certifiers have introduced certain other chemicals to
>alleviate the above concerns, while other certifiers do not agree to accept
>those chemicals as satisfying the requirements. We can encounter the same
>problems in non-steam systems also. The circulating hot water system and the
>heat exchanger type system. Some of these are used in chocolate
>manufacturing systems. Many of the chocolate manufacturers do dark chocolate
>and milk chocolate as well. The same water used for heating the chocolate
>product may go from a dark chocolate conch or holding tank to one holding a
>milk chocolate, and vice versa.
>__________________________
>
>
>Need more? Try inedibles:
>
>(emphasis mine, my comments in [brackets] )
>
>______________________
>
>http://www.aristechchem.com/overview/kosher.htm
>
>" . . .While we do not ingest acetone directly, it is used to manufacture
>the CONTAINERS in which kosher food is PACKAGED, and, therefore, must meet
>the Kosher Code requiring that acetone be certified. . .
>
>" . . . In compliance with Kosher Code requirements and as part of the Good
>Manufacturing Practices (GMP), tankers should be used that are SOLELY
>dedicated to hauling acetone or other petrochemical products that do NOT
>come in contact with animal-derived materials. If the tanker was used for
>these types of materials, the tanker must be properly cleaned and "HOT
>SANITIZED." The tanker and ALL its OFF-LOADING LINES and PUMPS must be
>thoroughly cleaned and a wash out slip must be provided stating that the
>tanker has been cleaned and sanitized before loading can proceed. The wash
>out slip, along with information on the prior load, will accompany the
>shipment to any kosher acetone customer. This assures the customer that all
>precautions have been taken to avoid possible contamination of the product."
>
>[NOTE: the above procedures need have NOTHING to do with "sanitation" in the
>general sense. The procedures outlined are meant solely to satisfy Jewish
>RELIGIOUS laws. and this is for ACETONE, an inedible solvent used in
>PLASTICS production]
>
>__________________________________
>
>
>What about "contaminated" equipment???
>
>
>__________________________________
>
>http://www.koshertodayonline.com/kosher%20today%20archives/2001/0201/TECHNOL
>OGY%20RAISES%20MANY%20QUESTIONS.htm
>
>" Another concern that we have in the kosher industry is EQUIPMENT
>CONTAMINATION. A company may produce a kosher product and the formula
>presented to the certifying agency listing all of the ingredients. While the
>components may be good, the question is about the equipment? Is the
>equipment used by the company utilized interchangeably? In other words, do
>they produce KOSHER and NON-KOSHER in the same tank? If so, how is it
>KOSHERIZED from one product to the other? Is it being MONITORED? Are any of
>the products marinated for OVER 24 HOURS in any given piece of equipment?
>These are questions that companies have to be aware of, that will be asked
>by the supervising agency. . . .
>
>" . . . .There is also a problem with shipping bulk liquids. The tank cars.
>The trucks. What did they carry before they were loaded with the kosher
>product? . . . "
>
>__________________________
>
>There are several companies that specialize in performing the highly
>specialized cleaning that the Kash-R-Us agencies demand tanker trucks
>undergo before they are allowed to carry Kosher products. (see "Acetone"
>above) A tanker that had just delivered a load of premium grade olive oil
>would be forced to undergo a Kash-R-Us cleaning before it could haul
>"Kosher" olive oil.
>
>
>Then there is Passover. Did you ever notice that Coca Coal tastes different
>if purchased in certain areas of the country (ie, New York) around the time
>of Passover? Do you know why? Coke is normally sweetened with corn
>sweetners, but these are FORBIDDED to Jews during Passover, and so, during
>this time, Coke switches to CANE SUGAR, to please the Jews.
>
>That is just ONE of the many insanities that companies must undergo at
>Passover:
>
>Here are some others:
>
>________________________
>
>http://www.koshertodayonline.com/kosher%20today%20archives/1998/0298/Prepara
>tions%20for%20Passover%20A%20Military%20Operation%20In%20Many%20Institutions
>.htm
>
>Preparations for Passover A Military Operation In Many Institutions
>
>The process of preparing plants and institutional kitchens for Passover
>requires a special expertise which has become even more complex in our
>technologically advanced society. For plants which do special Passover runs,
>the process generally means shutting down the production line and cleaning
>the machinery to remove all traces of chametz (leavened bread). Corn oil,
>for example, must be replaced with cottonseed oil, corn syrup with sugar and
>so forth. Grain vinegars are replaced with petroleum distillates. All vats
>and tubing must be thoroughly cleaned to remove all chametz ingredients
>before the rabbis will permit the special run which will earn it the KP
>label or "Kosher for Passover" designation.
>
>In resorts around the world preparing for their special holiday programs,
>kitchens will be literally taken apart, piece by piece, and every nook and
>cranny will be searched for any remnants of the forbidden chametz prohibited
>by Jewish law on Passover. This year Jews will be celebrating Passover in
>resorts in Hawaii, British Columbia, Italy, Miami, Orlando, the Pocono
>Mountains, the Catskills, Deep Creek Lake, Maryland, Spain, Aruba, Ft.
>Lauderdale, Las Vegas, San Diego, Virginia, Acapulco, Cancun, Hungary,
>Newport, R.I. and, of course, all over Israel.
>
>Food service facilities such as hospitals, nursing homes, and restaurants
>will also be undergoing rigorous cleaning. Some of these processes are:
>Ovens may require using blowtorches to produce enough heat to vaporize any
>leavened remains, and sinks and adjacent surfaces will also be kosherized
>for Passover. Attention will also be given to dishwashers, warming cabinets,
>counter tops, broilers, steam kettles, deep fryers, silverware, glasses,
>chafing dishes, and serving trays. Wooden, ceramic and plastic items cannot
>be kosherized for Passover. Industrial producers may have to close down
>production for several days to properly clean and kosherize the facilities
>for Passover production.
>
>The kosherizing process is performed under the watchful eye of a rabbi
>especially trained to oversee this procedure. The facility must be
>meticulously cleaned before koshering actually commences. Once completed,
>all shelves, ovens, pantries, and countertops are covered with several
>layers of heavy duty aluminum foil.
>
>Rabbis must also pay attention to all ingredients used in the preparation of
>Passover foods. In some places this begins several months before the
>production is scheduled. Orders must be placed early and every element of
>food preparation and service must be thoroughly reviewed. The rabbi has to
>make sure that no chametz is brought in once the kashering is completed. (If
>any chametz comes in contact with a kosherized item, the item may need to be
>kosherized a second time). He will also make sure that employees do not eat
>their meals or snacks anywhere near the koshered area.
>
>When involved in the koshering of a facility for Passover, one can not help
>but feel the pressure of paying attention to all of the myriad details. One
>must literally have a thousand eyes to prevent anything from going wrong. In
>many places, the koshering process is such a major undertaking that it is
>every bit like a military operation. When the consumer sits down to
>participate in the Passover seder, he does not have any idea of how intense
>the kosherizing process was and how much effort went into preparing foods
>that are certified "Kosher For Passover." But then again, children might not
>appreciate what mother went through to prepare the house for the eight day
>holiday.
>
>________________________________
>
>And what happens when a mistake is made, and non-Kosher product that has
>been mistakenly marked "Kosher" gets onto the market??
>
>Shit hits the fan - that's what. Very expensive shit!
>
>________________________________
>
>http://www.ok.org/homemaker/chanukah99/kosher.html
>
>Correction
>
>What happens when we find a problem? Our primary goal is to protect the
>buying public. When a mistake is made, whether the error is the fault of the
>O.K. or of the food company, we immediately take all necessary steps to
>alert those who may be affected. In the case of a product that product is
>available at the retail level, we notify the public that a mistake has been
>made. Notification generally is accomplished by advertisement in one or more
>popular Jewish newspapers. We also post such alerts on our website, at
>"Kosher Alerts." Other kosher-oriented sites, such as kashrut.com, pick up
>these alerts. We also arrange for notices to be posted in synagogues.
>
>Simultaneously we are in contact with the food company to make arrangements
>for withdrawal of the offending item from the market. Often the integrity of
>a company can be measured by its reaction to a situation of this nature.
>
>Recently a consumer E-mailed us concerning a Kraft product. The consumer had
>been in the hospital and was served Jell-O Strawberry Gelatin that carried
>an O.K. symbol on the label and yet contained animal gelatin.
>
>[Oh my GOD! Call 9-1-1 !!!]
>
>Aware that no major kashrus agency in the U.S. accepts gelatin from a
>non-kosher source in its products, the consumer sensed that the product was
>mislabeled.
>
>Kraft products have been O.K.-certified for many years, and the relationship
>between our two companies is excellent. Upon receiving the package from the
>consumer, we immediately went to work with Kraft to recall the product. I am
>pleased to report that we received full-fledged cooperation from Kraft.
>
>At the time this incident unfolded, I was at home recuperating from an
>illness. Working via phone and E-mail, we set up a conference call with top
>Kraft personnel. Dana Coleman, who is Kraft's Quality Assurance Manager, was
>of invaluable assistance as we ironed out a solution.
>
>On Wednesday, Sept. 14, Kraft issued an alert to all personnel dealing with
>foodservice items. (Foodservice refers to items sold to hospitals, used on
>airlines, and other such markets rather than retail stores.) The memo
>stated: "A Quality Defect Alert has been issued for foodservice 3.5 oz.
>Jell-O Strawberry Gelatin. Due to a printing error, the foil lid contains
>the 'Circle K Pareve' kosher symbol . . . Foodservice Distributors should be
>instructed to dispose of the product . . . Your immediate action is required
>to complete the following actions by 1:30 p.m., C.D.T., Friday, September
>17."
>
>By the target date, the product was completely withdrawn from the market. In
>the space of four days, the problem had been solved. This alacrity
>demonstrates Kraft's commitment to its kosher program and to the kosher
>consumer, and I am happy to acknowledge Kraft's willingness to move
>mountains in this regard.
>
>[I'll bet THAT was cheap]
>
>The Jell-O case is a perfect example of where you, the consumer, plays a
>role in maintaining kashrus standards. You are an important line of defense,
>and we ask again that you report any kashrus concerns to us.
>
>We pray that the time will come, speedily and in our days, when Mashiach
>will arrive and we will eat, with perfect confidence in its kashrus, from
>the Leviathan fish.
>
>________________________
>
>
>Now, you have given a small lesson in the non-fee costs of Kosher
>certification. Multiply these by the 10,000 plants across the US that are
>producing the 65,000 Kosher Certified packaged consumer products, and tell
>me if you think the paltry $400 million or so in "profit" made from chasing
>Kosher Consumers can POSSIBLY cover these costs.
>
>Remember, $400 million divided by 10,000 plants and 65,000 products is
>*only* an average of $40,000.00 per plant, and $6,153.00 per product.
>
>Do you STILL think that Kosher is anything less than Jewish Welfare?
>
>Waldo
>
>Observer at Large
>
>
>
>> >No one is giving actual figures for the cost. It's
>> >all handled by spin doctors.
>>
>> Another utterly baseless assertion. Yes, indeed, corporate America
>> employs PR mouthpieces to cover up the horrible secret of kosher
>> certification.
>>
>> Ask them what it costs in yearly fees to belong to trade associations
>> in their industries, like The American Dairy Association for my old
>> employer, and what consumers have to pay for *that* per their purchase
>> of a $3 item.
>>
>> They won't be able to tell you, either.
>>
>> You are talking incredible scales here, with numbers so large that the
>> kosher fees are trivial compared to units of produced goods, fixed
>> costs, and most obviously, consumer actual costs.
>>
>> Heinz, the first company certified by OU (the first certifying
>> organization) does $10 billion a year in sales.
>>
>> If Heinz pays OU $1 million a year just as a total "guestimate" for
>> the sake of argument, on sales of $10 billion, the consumer would pay
>> 0.0001% per dollar of manufactured cost, or, on a bottle of ketchup
>> wholesaling at a $1.50, and sold at $3, the cost would be...
>>
>> $1.50 X 0.0001 = $0.00015
>>
>> Purchased at $3, WITHOUT the OU fee...$2.99985
>>
>> $0.00015/3 = 0.00005% of purchase price to the consumer
>>
>> Once again, back to those microscopic fractions of a cent or actual
>> purchase price...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >
>> >tyler
>>
>
wow,

Your research is most illuminating Waldo. Congrats. 

tyler


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On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 21:20:33 -0800, Andrew Carol
 wrote:

>In article <83rs3uc5m9pgrtsbhddgqm07ukjdc3i12f@4ax.com>, tyler
> wrote:
>
>> It's easy. The holocaust has given carte blanche to any jewish group
>> that wants to terrorize anyone that opposes their interests. If a
>> company was unwilling to allow inspection I'm sure it would be
>> labelled as anti-semitic. In this politically absurd world that is the
>> kiss of death.
>
>You say "I'm sure".  I'm gonna call you on it.
>
>Name one single company accused of being anti semetic for deciding they
>did not want to sell Kosher foods.  One.
>
>If they are forced to become kosher you have more of a case.
>
>If they decide to on their own, then it's their company and they can do
>with them as they see fit.
>
>
>--- Andy

yah right. like what goes behind board meetings and closed doors is
made public. 


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On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 20:59:29 -0800, "Waldo" 
wrote:

>
>"tyler"  wrote in message
>news:jlds3usphudd3a9g6dig87hukbjgc2ne3q@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 23:40:54 GMT, John Morris
>>  wrote:
>>
>> >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>> >Hash: SHA1
>> >
>> >In  in alt.revisionism,
>> >on Thu, 10 Jan 2002 21:56:24 GMT, tyler 
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:37:07 GMT, John Morris
>> >>  wrote:
>> >
>> >> >In  in
>> >> >alt.revisionism, on Thu, 10 Jan 2002 05:14:55 GMT, tyler
>> >> > wrote:
>> >
>> >[snip]
>> >
>> >> >And I should care why?
>> >
>> >> >> professor tyler
>> >
>
>> Millions like YOU? That's funny. Million do not know what COR is. But
>> don't let the truth waylay you.
>
>True. I'd wager that 9 out of 10 Americans, (or Canadians, for that matter),
>if shown a grocery item, and asked point blank if they knew what the COR
>seal, or the OU or OK or Star-K or Star-D labels on their product meant,
>they would have absolutely no clue.

Waldo I finally have to disagree about something with you. I'd bet
that 9999 out of 10,000 have no idea whawt COR or OU stand for.
Sorry sport but you understated the obvious :) 



>I think the public has a right to know. They PAY for it. And these secretive
>little markings, designed and placed to conveniently blend in with the other
>little marks (Trademark symbols, etc) that you find on every product are
>costing manufacturers - and ultimately consumers HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS, if
>not BILLIONS over and above any advantage they may leverage through
>"increased market share".
>
>> >
>> >> It is the collective that is affected by a religion.
>> >
>> >The collective?  The collective is a collectivist fiction.
>> >
>> >Certainly human beings are social animals and live in societies.
>>
>> Well, animals anyway...
>>
>> >
>> >Perhaps you could explain the bad effects on society of kosher
>> >certification.  So far you haven't.  All you've said is that it is
>> >"wrong."
>>
>> The profits serve a special interest group that is not invovled in
>> actually getting the product to market.
>
>Bingo. Furthermore, the Kosher industry largely works in the dark. If "going
>Kosher" provides such a HUGE marketing advantage, and such massive financial
>gains for the company, why is it necessary for anyone who doesn't have 20-20
>vision (and good lighting) to dig out their reading glasses to find the
>goddamn seal?

Yeah, I had to look for awhile before I found it on the Kelloggs box. 


>
>Have you noticed that the size, color and placement of these seals is
>surprisingly uniform?
>
>Is the sizing / placement of the little Kosher Seal both in labeling and in
>advertising dictated by the Kosher Kabal in the contract? Do the Rabbis of
>the Kosher Kabal realize the importance of remaining discreet?
>
>Why should they care? If, as the Jews and their apologists claim, Kosher
>Certification benefits the companies, and in the end, LOWERS costs for
>consumers, these marks should be proudly and brazenly stamped on each and
>every label. But they're not, they're tiny and hidden, and I pity the poor
>aged Jew with bad eyes who is left to fend for his or her self in the
>supermarket.
>
>"Naomi!!! These green beans aren't Kosher!!! What are you trying to do, kill
>us???"
>
>"Sorry Schlomo, my eyes aren't so good no more."
>
>>
>> >
>> >> The costs are not
>> >> associated with nutrition.
>> >
>> >Your point?
>> >
>> >> >See if you can do it without the assumption that I should share
>> >> >your personal animus against Jews.
>> >
>> >> I have no animus against Jews.
>
>LOL! Stick around! Jews make their enemies the old fashioned way - THEY EARN
>THEM!
>
>> >Oh suuuure.
>>
>> Yeah, I thought so. Another paranoid...
>
>Please understand that Mr. Morris is a bonafide SHILL for all things Jewish.
>In a way, he's worse than McVay, who at least gets PAID for whoring himself
>on the behalf of the "Chosen".
>
>>
>> >
>> >> I have animus against unfair secretive
>> >> costs that are passed on to me.
>> >
>> >These would be the costs which you seem to have no basis for
>> >defining.
>
>What do you want to know, Mr. Morris?
>
>All I need to make my case is that the COST of Kosher outweighs any possible
>benefits. I have shown at the top of this thread that any additional
>"Profits" gained through Kosher Certification in the US is not likely to
>exceed $400 million dollars.
>
>The costs of implementing the DEMANDS placed on industry EASILY dwarf that
>figure, the payoffs to the Kosher Kabal aside!
>
>In the vast majority of cases, When a companies "go Kosher", Gentiles pay,
>and Jews both profit and benefit. Period.
>
>> >>  As I have continually said, and you
>> >> continually ignore for personal reasons,
>> >
>> >Continually?  I've only just started responding to you.  Continuous
>> >with what, pray?
>> >
>> >> if the tax was Catholic I
>> >> would be just as pissed off.
>> >
>> >> What is your personal agenda that you have decided to ignore the
>> >> obvious?
>> >
>> >You are very obvious.  Mostly I find there's no mileage in responding
>> >to idiots like you.
>
>Keep shilling the Jewish line, Mr. Morris.
>
>> >> Well, that's a rhetorical question isn't it? As a typical Canadian
>> >> you just ignore anything at all that is controversial. If you
>> >> cannot
>> >> envision how something can affect you you ignore it. If you cannot
>> >> envision how you can change something you rationalize it. Canadians
>> >> are known throughout the world as wimps and you unfortunately are
>> >> but a common sample of the herd. As such you have nothing of value
>> >> to say, just shut up and pay everybody what they want. But don't
>> >> try and bring me down to your level of stupour.
>> >
>> >
>> >Did you think that you _ad hominem_ rant was going to convince me?
>> >What is it about your anger that is supposed to be so convincing?
>>
>>
>> Anger? I'm not angry at all. Don't be absurd.
>>
>>
>> >
>> >It's not about you and your inability to contain your emotions.  Your
>> >emotions are quite irrelevant, since they do can scarcely have been
>> >caused by your having to pay a whole penny a year for kosher
>> >products.  You are feeling emotions on behalf of a collective which
>> >as an aggregate of individuals couldn't care less about a penny a
>> >year.
>> >
>> >Tell you what.  Since you feel the effects of this gross,
>> >penny-a-year inequity so keenly, why don't you buy non-kosher
>> >products?
>> >
>> >> What makes you uncomfortable is the
>> >> fact that I have decided to actually do something about an
>> >> inequity.
>> >
>> >What inequity?
>> >
>> >> To make yourself feel better you just put if off as racism when it
>> >> is obvious that it is not.
>> >
>> >How is that so obvious?  The myth of the kosher tax is pretty much a
>> >staple of antisemitism.
>
>No. Semitism is the staple of Anti-Semitism.
>
>> >Perhaps you have been fooled by antisemites into adopting this as
>> >your foolish cause.  But that isn't very obvious.
>
>LOL!
>
>> >> Just go back to sleep and ignore all this.
>> >
>> >Oh, gosh, no.  I think you owe me an explanation.  Perhaps you could
>> >explain in calm, unemotional terms why it is an inequity for food
>> >processing companies to want to expand their markets by satisifying a
>> >religious minority's practices with respect to food products.
>>
>> Because a special interest group profits unfairly by the process.
>
>Not only that - they RUN the whole process. You don't see Muslims,
>vegetarians, the lactose intolerant or ignorant "kosher-is-better" Gentiles
>running around food plants, ordering employees about, and declaring batches
>of product as "unfit"  to ensure that the religious superstitions called
>"Kosher standards" are met.
>
>It's a Jewish game. Jews made the rules, Jews set the standards, Jews
>enforce the rules, and Jews benefit directly by creating an industry for
>themselves, and indirectly by having the privilege of eating Kosher from a
>can WITHOUT having to pay through the NOSE.

Well, considering the size of a semitic nose, that is a tidy sum
indeed... :)


>
>Can you imagine the shrieks, the wailing, the gnashing of teeth, the cries
>of "anti-Semitism"  if Jews were forced to pay for their OWN Kosher
>certification?
>
>Waldo
>
>Observer at Large
>
>



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On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:40:53 -0800, Andrew Carol
 wrote:

>In article <3C3E1145.3020105@hotmail.com>, Patrick Gallagher
> wrote:
>
>>   If your assertion that the cost per item was half a cent... then maybe 
>> you'd have a point - however, the major manufacturers that have 
>> commented all stated what it cost them, and that the cost was offset by 
>> increased profits - and you yourself have provided numbers showing how 
>> it increased their profits (over 700 million dollars). The cost of the 
>> certifications is absorbed by the manufacturers, it has no affect on 
>> pricing at all. An item that would be $2.9868564 sells for $2.99 - the 
>> same item with that cost figured in would be $2.9968570, which still 
>> sells for $2.99 - where is the difference to you? In the grand scheme of 
>> things, the companies might be giving up 20-30 million overall in 
>> profits to begin with, but when that nets them an additional 700 
>> million, it's not much of a sacrifice.
>
>Going Kosher could, in some cases, lower prices.  If the added cost per
>item is a fraction of a cent, but sales increase the higher volume may
>allow better economies of scale and distribution.
>
>For most companies, going Kosher is no different than finding a way to
>label a product "heart smart" or "low fat".  It's all marketing.  They
>do it for the selfish reason of raising profits.  That is a good thing.
>
>
>They've done the math and realise that the added revenue would increase
>profits more than the expense of certification would cost them.
>
>For companies which would realise no such benefit Kosher would not even
>be considered.
>
>If being Kosher was costing a company too much it would back out so
>fast your head would spin.  Can anybody ever point to a company being
>"scanctioned" for deciding to no longer claim Kosher certification?
>
>---- Andy

The cost is assumed by the consumer not the company. Just like
advertising and packaging. You pay for it all dimwit.


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On Fri, 11 Jan 2002 05:29:04 +0000 (UTC), kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org
(Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:

>In article <83rs3uc5m9pgrtsbhddgqm07ukjdc3i12f@4ax.com>,
>Tyler Durden  is asked to explain how
>kosher certification is "imposed" upon someone or some firm:
>
>[...]
>
>"Explain the "imposed" part.
>
>"They literally force an unwilling company to become Kosher?  How do
>they manage this?  Guns?  Lawsuits?  Black magic?"
>
>>It's easy. The holocaust has given carte blanche to any jewish group
>>that wants to terrorize anyone that opposes their interests. If a
>>company was unwilling to allow inspection I'm sure it would be
>>labelled as anti-semitic. In this politically absurd world that is the
>>kiss of death.
>
>In other words, Mr. Durden cannot explain the "imposed" part, and
>resorts instead to changing the subject. Perhaps in the realization
>that his Dog and Pony Show won't be sufficient, he once again makes a
>claim he can't support, that "any Jewish group" can "terrorize anyone
>that opposes their interests."
>
>Does Mr. Durden provide any supporting evidence of this "terror?"
>
>Of course not. Mr. Durden does not believe in evidence, particularly
>where Jews are concerned.
>
>>You should read Norman Finkelstein's work on the holocaust industry
>>for deeper understanding of the political currents that affect your
>>life. (Thank god Finkelstein  is a Jew and son of concentration camp
>>survivors otherwise he would never have been taken seriously because
>>of the hysteria around this topic)
>
>I'm please Mr. Durden offers Dr. Finkelstein as a reliable source for
>information about the Holocaust, since Dr. Finkelstein does not deny
>the event, but we feel compelled to point out that it has absolutely
>nothing to do with the question Mr. Durden is squirming so hard to
>avoid:
>
>"Explain the "imposed" part.
>
>"They literally force an unwilling company to become Kosher?  How do
>they manage this?  Guns?  Lawsuits?  Black magic?"
>
>To which one must now add:
>
>Explain the "terrorize" part.
>
>They literally terrorize an unwilling company to become Kosher? How do
>they manage this? Guns? Lawsuits? Black magic?
>
>Well, Mr. Durden?

Just like with IBM, the jewish organizations would scream
anti-semitism. All IBM did was provide Germany with counting machines
when there were no embargos against trade with Germany over 50 years
ago. Yet today jewish groups have heavily denounced IBM as trading
with Nazis in effort to blackmail IBM into giving money to them. 

IBM is larger than other companies and can stand the storm. Smaller
companies read about IBM and understand what jewish organizations can
do to their reputations. None of the accusations are true, but that is
no longer important in this day of propoganda.

If you call this kind of black mail and extortion black magic then so
be it.  

Mr. Finklestein has a book on the Holocaust Industry and you should
read it.

tyler



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Subject: Did You Know? KELLOGG'S Cereal!
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Did You Know? KELLOGG'S Cereal!

Look at your kellog's cereal box. Part of the cost of every box of
cereal being sold under the kellog's label goes to an orthodox
rabbinical organization.  Somewhere on the box is the COR abbreviation
followed by numbers. 

COR stands for the Council of Orthodox Rabbis and they get a cut of
whatever Kelloggs gets from you.

Don't like it? Think it's unfair. Don't buy Kelloggs.

tyler


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On Fri, 11 Jan 2002 01:38:29 -0500, Steven Mock 
wrote:

>This is funny.  I can just see "tyler" digging through his entire pantry
>right now.
>

Hmm, not quite. But go ahead and be amused, nothing on TV?

>tyler wrote:
>
>> Did You Know? KELLOGG'S Cereal!
>> 
>> Look at your kellog's cereal box. Part of the cost of every box of
>> cereal being sold under the kellog's label goes to an orthodox
>> rabbinical organization.  Somewhere on the box is the COR abbreviation
>> followed by numbers.
>> 
>> COR stands for the Council of Orthodox Rabbis and they get a cut of
>> whatever Kelloggs gets from you.
>
>No, it doesn't mean that at all.
>
>What it means is that the product conforms to all Jewish dietary laws,
>and that the company hired to Council of Orthodox Rabbis to confirm and
>certify that this was so.
>
>> Don't like it? Think it's unfair. Don't buy Kelloggs.
>
>While you're at it, here are some other companies you shouldn't buy
>from: Alberto-Culver, American Home Foods, Armour Foods, Best Foods
>Baking, Borden Foods, Chock Full O’ Nuts, Coca Cola, Colgate Palmolive,
>Dannon, Dow Chemicals, Drake Bakeries, Durkee, Elite, Empire Kosher,
>Entenmann’s, General Mills, Green Giant, Haagen Dazs, Hershey’s, Hiram
>Walker, Slim Fast, J.M. Smucker, Kraft, Land O’ Lakes, Lever Bros.,
>Manischewitz, McCormick & Co., Nabisco, Nestle’s, Nutrasweet, Pepperidge
>Farm, Pillsbury, Proctor & Gamble, Sara Lee Bakery, Starkist, Thomas J.
>Lipton Tea Co., Van Camp Seafood, Welch, White Rock, 3M Corp
>
>All of them apparently too stupid to make their own decisions as to what
>is in the best interests of their business.  Good thing they've got you
>and Waldo to straighten them out.
>
>Happy shopping.
>
>Steven Mock



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On Fri, 11 Jan 2002 06:37:18 +0000 (UTC), kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org
(Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:

>In article <3ovs3u08j4r8ob208pf1ts7vs88iuacrje@4ax.com>,
>tyler   wrote:
>>On Fri, 11 Jan 2002 05:29:04 +0000 (UTC), kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org
>>(Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:
>>
>>>In article <83rs3uc5m9pgrtsbhddgqm07ukjdc3i12f@4ax.com>,
>>>Tyler Durden  is asked to explain how
>>>kosher certification is "imposed" upon someone or some firm:
>>>
>>>[...]
>>>
>>>"Explain the "imposed" part.
>>>
>>>"They literally force an unwilling company to become Kosher?  How do
>>>they manage this?  Guns?  Lawsuits?  Black magic?"
>>>
>>>>It's easy. The holocaust has given carte blanche to any jewish group
>>>>that wants to terrorize anyone that opposes their interests. If a
>>>>company was unwilling to allow inspection I'm sure it would be
>>>>labelled as anti-semitic. In this politically absurd world that is the
>>>>kiss of death.
>>>
>>>In other words, Mr. Durden cannot explain the "imposed" part, and
>>>resorts instead to changing the subject. Perhaps in the realization
>>>that his Dog and Pony Show won't be sufficient, he once again makes a
>>>claim he can't support, that "any Jewish group" can "terrorize anyone
>>>that opposes their interests."
>>>
>>>Does Mr. Durden provide any supporting evidence of this "terror?"
>>>
>>>Of course not. Mr. Durden does not believe in evidence, particularly
>>>where Jews are concerned.
>>>
>>>>You should read Norman Finkelstein's work on the holocaust industry
>>>>for deeper understanding of the political currents that affect your
>>>>life. (Thank god Finkelstein  is a Jew and son of concentration camp
>>>>survivors otherwise he would never have been taken seriously because
>>>>of the hysteria around this topic)
>>>
>>>I'm please Mr. Durden offers Dr. Finkelstein as a reliable source for
>>>information about the Holocaust, since Dr. Finkelstein does not deny
>>>the event, but we feel compelled to point out that it has absolutely
>>>nothing to do with the question Mr. Durden is squirming so hard to
>>>avoid:
>>>
>>>"Explain the "imposed" part.
>>>
>>>"They literally force an unwilling company to become Kosher?  How do
>>>they manage this?  Guns?  Lawsuits?  Black magic?"
>>>
>>>To which one must now add:
>>>
>>>Explain the "terrorize" part.
>>>
>>>They literally terrorize an unwilling company to become Kosher? How do
>>>they manage this? Guns? Lawsuits? Black magic?
>>>
>>>Well, Mr. Durden?
>>
>>Just like with IBM, the jewish organizations would scream
>>anti-semitism. All IBM did was provide Germany with counting machines
>>when there were no embargos against trade with Germany over 50 years
>>ago. Yet today jewish groups have heavily denounced IBM as trading
>>with Nazis in effort to blackmail IBM into giving money to them. 
>
>Thank you for conceding that you cannot name a single company that had
>kosher certification "imposed" upon them, Mr. Durden, and thanks as
>well for admitting that you can't name a single company that was
>"terrorized" into certifying a product.
>
>Are you related to the Knolls?

The fact that the kosher tax is secret is enough for any sane person.


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Hi Yitz, where have you been?





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Subject: Re: Facts about the Kosher Cabal  (was Re: The Council of Orthodox  Rabbis: Kosher Tax on Canadians?)
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On Fri, 11 Jan 2002 02:22:23 -0500, Steven Mock 
wrote:

>No.  You've just treated us to your inane, self-serving speculations.
>
>Steven Mock

Stop Mocking everybody!



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On Fri, 11 Jan 2002 02:17:35 -0500, Steven Mock 
wrote:

>tyler wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 11 Jan 2002 06:37:18 +0000 (UTC), kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org
>> (Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:
>> 
>> >Thank you for conceding that you cannot name a single company that had
>> >kosher certification "imposed" upon them, Mr. Durden, and thanks as
>> >well for admitting that you can't name a single company that was
>> >"terrorized" into certifying a product.
>> >
>> >Are you related to the Knolls?
>> 
>> The fact that the kosher tax is secret is enough for any sane person.
>
>Translation: the fact that I have no evidence is proof that I'm right.
>
>Steven Mock

The evidence is on my cereal box and on the many links I have
supplied.

U  and McVay, the zionist, offer no proof yourself. 

What PROOF do you have that it doesn't cost the consumer anything?

This will be good, particularly since the rabbis themselves have
admitted that profit is made.


tyler



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On Fri, 11 Jan 2002 01:22:09 -0600, "Mr. Frederick"
 wrote:

>Yes, the cost of 1 flake per box!  Whoopee ding dong shit!  Yup, it's a
>major conspiracy, all right!
>
>tyler  wrote in message
>news:jm0t3ugdp9scgjogpd773a2blt74ph0p7i@4ax.com...
>> Did You Know? KELLOGG'S Cereal!
>>
>> Look at your kellog's cereal box. Part of the cost of every box of
>> cereal being sold under the kellog's label goes to an orthodox
>> rabbinical organization.  Somewhere on the box is the COR abbreviation
>> followed by numbers.
>>
>> COR stands for the Council of Orthodox Rabbis and they get a cut of
>> whatever Kelloggs gets from you.
>>
>> Don't like it? Think it's unfair. Don't buy Kelloggs.
>>
>> tyler
>

small minds think alike. and ur right, you are a flake...

tyler


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Here is how the scheme works. An Orthodox Rabbi warns a company that
unless their product is certified as Kosher they will face a boycott
by every Jew in America. Once the company agrees, it must keep the
amount paid a strict secret! 

In 1960, 225 food products paid the Kosher tax, 476 in 1966, 1000 in
1974, and today 17,500 companies are paying this multi-level tax.
Listed below are National Kosher Agencies and their symbols - you
might want to give them a call to see what they say. Regional listings
and their symbols will follow soon. 

TaDAAAA


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10 Steps to Kosher Certification
1 CONTACTING THE OK
Your company contacts the OK Labs by phone (718-756-7500 ext. 209),
fax (718-756-7503), e-mail (info@ok.org) via the supplied link, or in
person (e.g., at a trade show). Rabbi Chaim Fogelman, our Rabbinic
Coordinator specializing in guiding new applicants through the kosher
certification process, will answer your preliminary questions. He will
be your guide throughout the application procedure. Please note: The
OK Labs has designed the most sophisticated computer system in the
kosher certification industry to facilitate your kosher certification.

2 THE APPLICATION
The application is the first active step toward certification. Upon
your request, a user-friendly application will be sent to you. The
application, designed to accelerate the certification process, asks
you to provide a list of ingredients (raw materials), product
components and production processes.

Please note: The OK Labs will maintain all information concerning your
company in the strictest confidence.

Click below to download the appropriate application forms for kosher
certification. Application forms are in Adobe Acrobat format and you
would need Acrobat Reader to view them. [ click here to download
Acrobat Reader if you do not have it ]. Once you have downloaded the
form, please print and complete your details and return it to our
office for immediate attention.


click here for USA application form for kosher certification [103kb]
click here for International application form for kosher certification
[114kb]
3 APPLICATION SUBMITTED
Return the application along with the required processing fee. This
fee covers some of the pre-certification costs we incur. When the
certification process has been successfully completed, we will deduct
the application fee from your first year’s certification cost.

4 APPLICATION REVIEWED
Upon our receipt of your application and fee, a Rabbinic Coordinator
who is an expert in your field of production will be assigned to
oversee all matters that relate to your company. He will review the
application and contact you with any questions he may have. He will
also set a mutually convenient appointment to visit your manufacturing
facility(ies) for an on-site physical inspection. At this time, the
Rabbinic Coordinator will provide you with a non-binding estimate of
the fees involved in providing kosher certification to you.

5 THE INITIAL VISIT
An initial, thorough inspection of the entire manufacturing
facility(ies) will be performed by the Rabbinic Coordinator. This
inspection gives us a comprehensive understanding of the unique nature
of your facility(ies), so that your certification can proceed in a
streamlined fashion. At this initial visit, the rabbi will detail the
procedures that you will need to follow to receive and maintain kosher
supervision.

6 RESOLVING FINAL DETAILS
Having finished his inspection, the Rabbinic Coordinator will issue a
report to our headquarters. At this time, your annual fee will be set.
It is determined on the basis of numerous factors, including the
nature of your facility(ies), its location, and the amount of work
required on our part. If any matters remain outstanding, we will work
with you to resolve them.

7 REGULAR MONITORING
Part of our agreement with you involves monitoring your facility(ies).
The OK has 300 field representatives around the world. One of these
experts located in your area will be assigned to visit your
facility(ies) on a regular basis. We make every effort to arrange
these visits in the most economical way possible. In addition, one of
our home office Rabbinic Coordinators will make an annual inspection
of your facility(ies).

8 THE CONTRACT
A contract is now drawn detailing the agreement between the OK Labs
and your company. The contract is sent to you for your review and your
signed approval.

9 KOSHER CERTIFICATION BEGINS
Upon return of the signed contract along with the fee for your first
year of supervision, we will issue a Kosher Certificate to you. The
certificate details which of your products or facilities are under OK
certification, and grants you the right to display our registered OK
symbol on the certified products.

10 CONGRATULATIONS
Congratulations! You are now certified kosher by the OK Labs, the most
respected kosher supervision agency in the world. Your company’s name
is now listed in the widely read Kosher Food Guide section of the The
Jewish Homemaker, the international magazine of the OK Laboratories.


Send mail to webmaster@ok.org with questions 

*************************************************************************************
The costs are hinted at in this application. These costs are spread to
the consumer. Gentiles pay for kosher certification plain and simple.

tyler



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Subject: Orthodox Rabbinical Organizations: Economic Vampires?
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Orthodox Rabbinical Organizations: Economic Vampires?

COR stands for Council of Orthodox Jews. The rabbis, religious
leaders, certify foods as kosher. Foods such as Heinz Ketchup and
Windsor Salt, Kellogs Corn Flakes and non foods such as aluminum foil
and bleach, have COR certification. Look at the label, if you see COR
followed by a number then the manufacturer pays rabbis to inspect
food, facilities and preparation methods. If they conform to religious
law then the product is certified as kosher.  It has nothing to do
with food nutrition! Our government paid inspectors do that!

There are many other symbols. Every major product in your home has
been kosher certifified. The other frequent symbol is a capital U in a
circle. Refer to the following site for more info

http://www.kosherquest.org/html/Reliable_Kosher_Symbols.htm

The costs of certification of a religious group is borne by Catholics,
Protestants and other gentiles that purchase these products. The
certification process itself has become a source of income and profit
for a minority religious organization. It is a multi-million dollar
industry that is paid for by the consumer. The Rabbis have admitted
this, refer to the site listed above, their own site, which admits
certification is done for profit. Well that's certainly an incentive! 

It is economic vampirism. The many pay for the few.

Fortunately human beings have the capacity for thought and reasoning.
That includes inductive logic.  The 'proof' in the pervasiveness of
this religious minority group's infiltration and economic vampirism is
in the fact that every major brand is kosher certified regardless of
the necessity of its certification. Tin foil? Comet cleanser? Javex
bleach? Yes, all certified. For a religion? Yes, it's all about
profit.
 
The proof of economic  vampirism is in the fact that the kosher
certification process is an industry in itself. A casual search for
'kosher certification' brings up an unbelievable amount of agencies
each charging a company inspection fees that pay for thousands of
inspectors, databases, computers and so on.. 

Further proof is in the fact that instead of offerring kosher
inspection for free, as should be since it is a religious practice, a
religion is charging companies for the certification. It is only for
their benefit yet they in fact charge every consumer.

The proof is in the fact that the companies are passing the charges
for a religious certification process to the majority of their
customers, which are Catholic and Protestant in North America.

The proof is in the fact, self admitted by rabbinical organizations,
that profit is being made off of food inspection. This is tantamount
to an admission of theft since profit should not be made from
inspection that has been requested for religoius reasons. Religion is
not about profit, or at least that's what is believed...

The proof is in the fact that each kosher certification organization
has hundreds of inspectorsthat the non-jew is paying for. In addition
manufacturers have to pay extra for equipment and methods of food
preparation. The costs are not trivial and the process is set out in
the  many websites about kosher certification. The cost of food
preparation is so high that even Jewish houswives have rioted about
the price of kosher meats.

As hinted by Benjamin Franklin, this action is that of economic
vampirism. The tax on foods for kosher certification by  orthodox
jewish rabbis has created a source of income from unkowing gentiles.
It is an act of economic vampirism on society as it does not benefit
general society in any way.

It is rather simple logic that can be used to reach the conclusion
that this is unfair. No other proof is required for any reasonable
person. And it hurts your pocketbook. In these times of layoffs do you
think you should support a religion that you don't belong to?

What can you do? Talk to your religious leaders to find out how they
feel about religion for profit. Talk to your political leaders to find
out how they feel about religion for profit. Talk to consumer
organizations, particularly those protecting the poor. Ask why the
many  millions spent each year for a non-nutrional religious based
certification should be paid for by the poor and hungry.

Do rabbinical organizations use the economic clout of their followers
and the label of anti-semitism against any company that won't comply
with the certification process? Good question. I think everyone knows
the answer to this one!

Well, certification has been going full blast since the 1950's to the
point today where there is not one product or company that doesn't pay
this extortion fee. Even cleansers are certified. Trucks carrying your
milk are certified. The full scope is almost beyond belief. Just go to
your supermarket and look at the aisles and aisles of products, each
certified. Multiply that by a fee that rabbinical organinzations
charege on volume and you get an idea of the underserved and unearned
millions that they get. What a bonanza! 

A religious minority profits for no effort and no tangible benefit for
society. I call that vampirism. What do you call it?

tyler


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On Fri, 11 Jan 2002 07:50:29 -0500, Joel Rubin 
wrote:

>It should be noted that at least some Kosher certifications bring in
>Moslem shoppers as well. For example, many cookies and other products
>made with fat are made with lard (I've used little balls of lard to
>hide doggie medication.) and a Moslem who sees a Jewish certification
>knows that the product is pork free.
>
>I don't know if any semi-observant Jews use Hallal certification in
>the same way.

I thought the orthodox can eat pork now. wasn't that a big deal last
year?



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On Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:47:52 GMT, Patrick Gallagher
 wrote:

>tyler wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:40:53 -0800, Andrew Carol
>> wrote:
>>
>>>In article <3C3E1145.3020105@hotmail.com>, Patrick Gallagher
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>  If your assertion that the cost per item was half a cent... then maybe 
>>>>you'd have a point - however, the major manufacturers that have 
>>>>commented all stated what it cost them, and that the cost was offset by 
>>>>increased profits - and you yourself have provided numbers showing how 
>>>>it increased their profits (over 700 million dollars). The cost of the 
>>>>certifications is absorbed by the manufacturers, it has no affect on 
>>>>pricing at all. An item that would be $2.9868564 sells for $2.99 - the 
>>>>same item with that cost figured in would be $2.9968570, which still 
>>>>sells for $2.99 - where is the difference to you? In the grand scheme of 
>>>>things, the companies might be giving up 20-30 million overall in 
>>>>profits to begin with, but when that nets them an additional 700 
>>>>million, it's not much of a sacrifice.
>>>>
>>>Going Kosher could, in some cases, lower prices.  If the added cost per
>>>item is a fraction of a cent, but sales increase the higher volume may
>>>allow better economies of scale and distribution.
>>>
>>>For most companies, going Kosher is no different than finding a way to
>>>label a product "heart smart" or "low fat".  It's all marketing.  They
>>>do it for the selfish reason of raising profits.  That is a good thing.
>>>
>>>
>>>They've done the math and realise that the added revenue would increase
>>>profits more than the expense of certification would cost them.
>>>
>>>For companies which would realise no such benefit Kosher would not even
>>>be considered.
>>>
>>>If being Kosher was costing a company too much it would back out so
>>>fast your head would spin.  Can anybody ever point to a company being
>>>"scanctioned" for deciding to no longer claim Kosher certification?
>>>
>>>---- Andy
>>>
>>
>>The COR certification is imposed by a special interest group. The
>>costs are absorbed by the consumer NOT by the company.  So your
>>argument is meaningless.
>>
>>Back to the banking example. Round off error in accounts can garner
>>millions. No one notices. Banks still profit. OK? Understand? They
>>still profit!
>>
>>Now if the rabbis donated profits that they garner as a result of
>>certification  to a non-denominational charity like the United Way
>>then MAYBE it would not stink so much.
>>
>>tyler.
>>
>>
>tyler
>
>what have you been smoking??? The companies themselves ADMIT they absorb 
>the cost. The only way they pass it on to consumers is through increased 
>sales, which compensates them for the initial costs. They don't raise 
>the prices of the items, they simply sell more of the same products, 
>hence increasing profits...
>
>last I checked, the Jewish religion was no more or less guilty of being 
>a for-profit organization than the Catholics... and the Catholic church 
>has more in the bank than most corporations or even countries do. I 
>don't hear anyone in here screaming about the for-profit nature of the 
>Cash-o-lics.
>
>And... if you insist on spreading anti-semite propaganda, you might as 
>well admit that you're an anti-semite - and if you're not, you should 
>learn to do your homework a little better.
>
>Patrick

I am not anti-semite. I am against economic vampirism.


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On Fri, 11 Jan 2002 07:06:29 -0800, Andrew Carol
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>In article <3jvs3u44vkbqmfk9qqa5c2fisuljeb3oda@4ax.com>, tyler
> wrote:
>
>> The cost is assumed by the consumer not the company. Just like
>> advertising and packaging. You pay for it all dimwit.
>

 Ooooh, I pay for advertising!  Wow. You must be a f*cking genius to
come up with that one.

After that insight I have no more energy to read what other
revelations you have. I can't be bothere with the banal.




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On Fri, 11 Jan 2002 07:02:23 -0800, Andrew Carol
 wrote:

>In article , tyler
> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 21:20:33 -0800, Andrew Carol
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> >In article <83rs3uc5m9pgrtsbhddgqm07ukjdc3i12f@4ax.com>, tyler
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> It's easy. The holocaust has given carte blanche to any jewish group
>> >> that wants to terrorize anyone that opposes their interests. If a
>> >> company was unwilling to allow inspection I'm sure it would be
>> >> labelled as anti-semitic. In this politically absurd world that is the
>> >> kiss of death.
>> >
>> >You say "I'm sure".  I'm gonna call you on it.
>> >
>> >Name one single company accused of being anti semetic for deciding they
>> >did not want to sell Kosher foods.  One.
>> >
>> >If they are forced to become kosher you have more of a case.
>> >
>> >If they decide to on their own, then it's their company and they can do
>> >with them as they see fit.
>> >
>> >
>> >--- Andy
>> 
>> yah right. like what goes behind board meetings and closed doors is
>> made public. 
>
>So you get to make an accusation, but can't back it up?
>
>How do you know they are forced?  You can't name even one single
>company which was sanctioned for simply deciding they did not want to
>sell a kosher certified product.
>
>I see lots of non kosher foods and haven't heard of anything bad
>happening to those companies.  Have you?
>
>--- Andy

To be honest I can't find any packaged foods or cleaners or aluminum
foil that are non-kosher foods at my home. It's staggering how
pervasive it is. Why don't you look and report. 

But make sure you recognize all the symbols first. If there is a
symbol you don't know about - it's certification by orthodox jews.
Amazing but true.

Take a look and report back.




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On Fri, 11 Jan 2002 16:03:27 GMT, Patrick Gallagher
 wrote:

>tyler wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 11 Jan 2002 02:22:23 -0500, Steven Mock 
>>wrote:
>>
>>>No.  You've just treated us to your inane, self-serving speculations.
>>>
>>>Steven Mock
>>>
>>
>>Stop Mocking everybody!
>>
>but you and waldo make it soooooo easy to mock you :)
>
>Cheers!
>
>Patrick

Yes it is always easier to be destructive. It is always easier to
cheat. But some of us have principles.

Cheers! 

tyler 


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On Fri, 11 Jan 2002 17:33:38 GMT, Patrick Gallagher
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>Would someone buy this guy a clue? He askes for proof that this is a 
>lie, he's given the proof, he spouts off that he doesn't believe it, and 
>starts all over from scratch...

The proof is on my cereal box dolt - and in every other major brand
product I purchase.


tyler.


There are a million stories of injustice in the naked city.
This is but one of them.
 


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On Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:03:11 GMT, Joel Rosenberg 
wrote:

>tyler  writes:
>
>> On Fri, 11 Jan 2002 17:33:38 GMT, Patrick Gallagher
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> >Would someone buy this guy a clue? He askes for proof that this is a 
>> >lie, he's given the proof, he spouts off that he doesn't believe it, and 
>> >starts all over from scratch...
>> 
>> The proof is on my cereal box dolt - and in every other major brand
>> product I purchase.
>> 
>> 
>> tyler.
>> 
>
>Well, look again -- do you find a kosher certification symbol on your
>Spam?  On your microwaveable cheeseburgers?  Your lard?
>
>Nah.

I don't eat SPAM or Lard. As for meat, kosher certification is SO
expensive for meat that even the dumb gentile would revolt. 

Yaaaah,

>
>The reason that so many large companies bother with certification is
>that it adds a small market share at a minimal cost.  That's also the
>reason that other large companies don't advertise non-kosher
>alternatives -- they couldn't market them less expensively.

Yes - but let me correct you. at NO cost to them because the cost is
passed onto the gentile consumer.

>
>HTH.  But I'm not betting on it.  

No, you only bet on sure things, like true middlemen.

I admit, kosher certification is a brilliant piece of economic
vampirism. Brilliant. 


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On 11 Jan 2002 11:50:51 -0800, derek_bell_ie@yahoo.com (Derek Bell)
wrote:

>kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote in message news:...
>> Thank you for conceding that you cannot name a single company that had
>> kosher certification "imposed" upon them, Mr. Durden, and thanks as
>> well for admitting that you can't name a single company that was
>> "terrorized" into certifying a product.
>

They all have been 'influenced'. Otherwise there would be no
certification. That's too obviouis a conclusion.

>Note also his silence on Halal certification.

What! There's more? Tell me about it.

>
>BTW, I doubt that his name is "Tyler Durden" - that's the name of a
>character from the film _Fight Club_, who apparently persuades
>alienated men to get involved in bare-knuckle fights.
>
>Derek

Actually it is the destruction of credit that I really liked.


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On 11 Jan 2002 19:53:59 GMT, Sara  wrote:

>In article <3C3F33CF.D34A3F10@nizkor.org>, Steven Mock 
> wrote:
>
>> tyler wrote:
>> 
>> > Here is how the scheme works. An Orthodox Rabbi warns a company that
>> > unless their product is certified as Kosher they will face a boycott
>> > by every Jew in America.
>> 
>> Get this through your head, "tyler".  Jews who keep kosher can't eat
>> things that aren't kosher.  Its not a boycott, its a religious law. 
>> Therefore, if a company wants to reach that market, they have to make
>> sure that their products conform to those laws.  Its the company's
>> choice whether they want to reach this market or not.
>> 
>And of course let's not forget the BILLIONS of Muslims in the world who 
>also follow dietary laws.
>
>

But there are no billions in Canada or the USA are there? And where
there are Billions of Muslims, is there food supervised by rabbis?





>
>> > Once the company agrees, it must keep the
>> > amount paid a strict secret!
>> 
>> Making up facts again, Tyler?
>
>Oh, absolutely.

Where do companies post how much it costs the consumer. I'm very
interested.

>
>Sara

Just the facts m'am. Just the facts.

tyler



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The Council of Orthodox Rabbis: Kosher Tax on Canadians?

The Council of Orthodox Rabbis or COR is a certification for kosher
foods. Part of every dollar on an item that you purchase  that has the
abreviation COR followed by a number goes to the council of orthodox
rabbis, a religious organization. As a consumer you should be aware
than some products that you are purchasing cost more because of this
ceritification. 

The COR certification is now on foods and items that according to
Jewish law do not have to be certified. Salt is one of these yet you
will find COR 69 on SIfto salt and COR 92 on Windsor salt. Ketchup
also does not need certification yet there is a COR 10 on Heinz
ketchup. You will also find COR certification on such absurd items as
Javex Bleach.Can anyone please inform me  that as a result of
rabbinical supervision, Javex Bleach has become purer or more hygienic
or more effectiveI  Or ketchup? Or salt? Is it the amount of iodine in
the salt that the rabbis have to approve or what? I thought this was
done by nutritionists? Do the rabbis visit and inspect every salt mine
and tomato patch? 

What the hell gives here? Why am I as a non-denominational Canadian
consumer being forced to pay a religious group for their certification
not only on a product that doesn't need it according to their own laws
but on any product whatsoever? Why is a religious minority scamming
money off of millions of Canadians on essential products such as salt
that doesn't even need kosher certification? Is this not religious
fraud? Certification for products that don't need it?

Write to: 
Reuben Mark, Chairman & CEO
Colgate-Palmolive
300 Pak Avenue
New York, NY
USA      10022

and ask for a non kosher javex bleach product as you shouldn't have to
pay for COR certification. Unbelievable that this is being done.

Write to:
Guy L. Leblanc
Vice President, Production & Administration
The Canadian Salt Company, Ltd.
7th Floor
755 Boulevard St. Jean
Pointe Claire, Quebec  H9R 5M9

and ask for non kosher table salt. It should be cheaper. Ask him
specifically, how has Windsor Salt production been modified so as to
comply with Jewish religious laws?  How frequent is rabbinical
inspection of Windsor Salt plants, and of what does this inspection
consist?  Is there anyone who will claim that Windsor Table Salt is in
any detectable way different following kosher certification from what
it was before?

As a matter of fact ask these guys:
Do you have information on how Council of Orthodox Rabbis
kosher-certification earnings are distributed, as for example what
proportion of them goes toward supporting the ethnic cleansing of
Palestinians by the State of Israel, or what proportion goes toward
the expansion of Israel's nuclear arsenal, etc.etc In other words, do
the proceeds go to political as well as religious agendas that have
nothing to do with Canada?

Where is W5  on this matter? Are there any newsreporters that can
explain this? Maybe the Protestants and Catholics will catch on and
start making their own certification organization. I can see it now,
GFJ, good for jesus certification...  

Wow, god is such good business...

tyler




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On Thu, 03 Jan 2002 18:30:51 GMT, "Offot"  wrote:

>
>What has the DEA to do with Canada, anyway ?
>
>Offot

They're in Vancouver already. Yes they have an office dimwit.
Christalmity keep track of the guys that want to bust you.


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n Fri, 4 Jan 2002 21:48:11 +0000 (UTC), kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org
(Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:

>I disagree. Hitler was raised within a strict Catholic environment,
>and saw Jews, literally, as the spawn of Satan. He hated them long
>before he became politically astute enough to associate Jews and
>Communism.
>
>German Jews were the most successfully integrated in all of Europe, so
>your second contention is also incorrect.

Kenneth McVay, Zionist,  Blames Catholicism for Hitler!

Here is a post by Kenneth McVay of the website niskor.org in which he
blames the Catholic upbringing of Adolf Hitler as a reason that he
hated Jews. By extension the holocaust. Apparently Catholics consider
Jews as the spawn of Satan. Gee, I don't recall that in my Sunday
school classes...

In fact his second paragraph contradicts the first if you think about
it.

I'm sure most Catholics are offended by this and he should issue an
apology immediatly. 

tyler



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BOYCOTT THE COR- Religious Tax on Our Homegrown Canadian Food!

Boycott COR! Many Canadian and American food products are certified by
the Council of Orthodox Rabbis. Look at the label of Heinz ketchup or
Windsor Salt. You will see COR followed by a couple of numbers. This
means that the Rabbis have an inspection system for these products
that YOU the consumer are paying for. The food inspection occurs from
the source through transport right to the finished product.  We are
talking pots and pans, food process, everything. It has nothing to do
with nutrition and everything to do with religious practices!  The
Rabbi Council takes a cut of the profits from every part of the food
chain right to the shelves on the grocery store. YOU pay the costs! 

Boycott COR! The unknowing Canadian population is paying for COR and
it has nothing to do with the quality of the food or its nutrition.
Kosher certification is a religious practice on how to prepare foods
and what foods not to include. The overwhelming majority of Canadians
does not follow the Jewish Orthodox religion and do not care about
kosher certification. If they did, there would be no pork chops in the
meat market. When I go to any supermarket, I see quite a lot of pork
products. The majority of food products, for now, also do not have the
COR certification. Proof enough that we do not care to pay for it!

Boycott COR! COR is a religion-imposed tax, which has nothing to do
with nutrition or Canadian law. It is also a secret tax as no one has
informed the general population. Did you know about it? How long have
YOU been buying COR approved products and paying for a religious
practice that you do not participate in? Please stop purchasing any
product with the COR abbreviation. 

Boycott COR! The practicing Jews and zionists who insist that kosher
certification costs nothing are liars who are simply denying the
obvious. They will attack anyone who complains about COR and
immediately label him or her as anti-semites. Calmly inform them that
this has nothing to do with race but everything to do with consumer
rights. Consumers have the right to be informed about COR and what it
costs them. Why is it so secret? WHAT IS THE COST???

Boycott COR! Any certification costs money.  Your driver's license
costs money. Food inspectors cost money. Car inspection costs money.
So does food inspection. It is obvious that the COR process costs
money. Only an ignorant child would not realize this. Yet the
religious zealots that defend the secret religious tax on food think
their arguments will be believed.  They say the costs are negligible.
On a million jars of ketchup? I do not think so and neither should
you. The costs are significant. It is like taking a penny out of
everyone's bank account in Canada every day. I would like that, no
wonder the Orthodox Rabbis like that too! 

Boycott COR! So far I have only been exposed to certain defenders of
COR who are nothing more than religious zealots and zionist racists
who insist on the burden of costs to be placed squarely on the
unknowing gentile whether they be Muslims, Catholics, Protestants,
Hindi, Buddhists or whatever.. 

Boycott COR! The zionist and religious zealot's objections are so
strenuous that I suspect the costs are high indeed. "The more you
squeeze the louder the pig squeals". The rabbis are feeding at the
trough at the expense of the Canadian consumer and it is no wonder
that some of their followers become rabid in defending the kosher
certification. If the tax did not exist then they would have to pay
for it themselves!  What a calamity!!! Orthodox Jews having to pay for
their own religious practices! That is just not the way to go! In
addition, they complain about being stereotyped. I wonder why? 

Boycott COR! The defrauding of the Canadian public and excuses offered
by the zionist racists and religious freaks are transparent. Millions
of Canadians and Americans are completely unaware of COR, Council of
Orthodox Rabbi, certification of foods that are massed produced. An
extremely small orthodox religious minority has literally hijacked the
food industry and has managed to place a religious stamp of approval
in an area where only nutrition and composition of foods is important.

Boycott COR! It is disgusting! The defenders of COR claim that this
process costs the consumer very little and this insults the
intelligence of Canadians everywhere. The costs should not be born by
anyone who does not eat kosher foods. 

Boycott COR! Denial of the obvious is not going to work this time. It
is time to stop purchasing COR certified products immediately. Let the
Orthodox Jews pay for their own food. We are all free to practice our
religions. They have a right to practice theirs wherever they like.
But certainly, they should not practice it on the backs of the
Canadian consumer!  No one should be "free" to have others pay for
religious practices - yet COR exists today.   Boycott COR!  

tyler



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The following links show how Simon Wiesenthal  regularly distorts
evidence used in his publications on anti-semitism and the holocaust.
No one denies the holocaust happened yet Wiesenthal continues to
spread lies and misinformation in order to distorts certain aspects.
He discredits the memory of the many nations who lost their citizens
to the death camps.

 Many pictures have been doctored by Wiesnthal and his followers and
reproduced in several different volumes spanning decades. 

The doctored pictures and proof of Wiesnthal's lies can be most
clearly viewed at:

http://www.ukar.org/greenb03.shtml

The above link shows how Wiesenthal copied a picture from a 1981 text
and included in his 1997 text. He pencilled in smoke and claimed it
came from an oven. He did not give the source of the picture. Clearly
the original had no smoke. 

Pictures from various publications on articles about concentration
camps are also shown in their original and doctored formats. It is
clear that Wiesnthal has no credibility and  many publications are
suspect because of his activity. That's too bad. A critical reader
cannot help but wonder what other documents Wiesnthal and zionists in
general have doctored.

Because of these poor attempts at doctoring pictures and lies that
describe them all printed material is now suspect.

tyler


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On 6 Jan 2002 21:35:34 GMT, bo774@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Kelly Bert
Manning) wrote:
STUFF CUT OUT
>
>Most religions have a practicial aspect, particularly in bygone ages
>when ignorance was more common than understanding. Religious dietary 
>laws often have some beneficial effect. Eg. making cows sacred protected 
>the milk supply and allowed people to obtain more food in another way. 
>Pork is a very dangerous food if proper sanitation and animal husbandry 
>methods are not used. Having said that, religions seem to get it wrong
>at least as often as they get it right. The fact that they had some
>benefit in the past is no excuse for hanging on to superstition as a
>basis for personal actions. The few hits don't make the religion true,
>it simply shows that religion has been useful as a way of manipulating the
>behaviour of believers, for good or for bad.
>

Interesting that last year Jews were allowed to eat Ham after 6,000
years. So what does that say about kosher certification? Steeped in
ignorance? No not at all. Kosher certification is a way of keeping an
identity and a feeling of separateness.

tyler


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On Mon, 07 Jan 2002 23:32:11 GMT, "Goldfinger"
 wrote:

>
>"Fabrikant"  wrote in message
>news:7cffa2b0.0201021312.30673cd4@posting.google.com...
>
>> Editor dismissed Osama because Osama was "too small". Here is my
>> question of the year: suppose Osama killed not 3,000, but 3,000,000 or
>> 30,000,000 Americans, do you think Time would have chosen him person
>> of the year?
>
>I agree that Osama should be the person of the year.  His actions affected
>many people's life and not just those in NY or USA.  It's an obvious
>appeasement act from Time.  They were bold enough to choose Stalin and
>Hitler but American people never suffered under Stalin and Hitler directly
>and that's the reason why they couldn't have chosen the much deserved Osama
>this time around.
>

God point. I think that if millions were killed then Osama would have
made it. He'll probably get that chance from what I hear about dirty
bombs.

tyler


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On Tue, 08 Jan 2002 23:42:36 GMT, Patrick Gallagher
 wrote:

stuff cut

>nope - just a hope that you fail in your twisted mission to corrupt 
>minds. I don't wish anything other than a long life and a natural death 
>upon anyone, yourself included.
>Patrick

Now its a twisted mission to corrupt minds. This over discussion on
the added cost of kosher certification of ordinary food products.

You and our people are very sick Patrick. Very sick indeed.

tyle



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On Wed, 09 Jan 2002 00:20:41 GMT, "Philip Mathews"
 wrote:

>
>
>ROTFL
>
>So much for Waldo's proof!
>
>(snip)


The true value of kosher food tax to rabbinical councils can be
measured by the volume and ferocity of attack against those who
question it. 

By the insult and sheer volume of denials common sense dictates that
the food tax is worth more than admitted.

tyler

...only dead fish go with the flow 


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The true value of the kosher food tax to rabbinical councils can be
measured by the volume and ferocity of attack against those who
question it. 

By the insult and sheer volume of denials that can be observed on the
newsgroups common sense dictates that the food tax is worth more than
admitted.

tyler

...only dead fish go with the flow 


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On Wed, 09 Jan 2002 17:08:50 GMT, No Spam  wrote:

>On 8 Jan 2002 21:31:24 -0800,
>in edm.general
>tcantine@incentre.net (Thomas Cantine) used both functioning neurons to
>say:
>
>>   Okay. Let's say, for the sake of argument, that a portion of the
>>money I pay for a bottle of ketchup goes to pay for the kosher
>>inspection. I'm not Jewish, I don't care if my food is kosher or not,
>>so I should be outraged to have to pay such a cost?
>
>I don't know what upsets you, so it's kind of hard to made that
>determination.

>Does it upset you that the Orthodox Jewish (and psuedo-Orthodox
>'sects' practice of Kosher certification is relevant to only a small
>portion of all Jewish people?
>
>Does it upset you that the Moslem religion has the equivalent
>certification process called Halal, and that it is relevant to most
>Moslems? 
>
>Would you be upset if the Vatican council decided that in the
>interests of the health of Catholics that they set up a business
>entity to certify what is fit for Catholics to eat?
>
>Would it upset you with the hundreds of other religions in the world
>did the same....after all it only adds $0.0005 cents per item per religion?
>
>>   Except, the same thing applies to a lot of the other expenses
>>hidden in the cost of my bottle of ketchup. I don't want to have to
>>pay for TV commercials, but that's covered through the money they make
>>when I buy ketchup. Why should I have to pay for ANY of their
>>promotional costs? After all, I already know the product exists, and
>>decided to buy it; why should I pay to convince someone else to buy
>>it?
>
>>   That's just business. Companies will spend money to promote their
>>products, and cover those costs through increased sales. Further, they
>>will target their promotional costs to those market segments that seem
>>worthwhile. Presumably the COR food products makers see the Jewish
>>segment of the market as big enough to justify the expense. This is no
>>religious tax; it's a marketing expense.
>
>To some degree the linkage between the two expenses is valid.
>But considering the cost of Kosher certification is relevant to less
>than 1% of the population it doesn't seem logical to have everyone
>forced to bear the cost.
>
>I guess we could also get into the issue of corporate and business
>profits and expenses tied to religion and start discussing business
>interests owned by religious figures such as Rev Moon, Pat
>Robertson, Jim Baker and so on in a rather long list, but why bother.
>It's about as relevant as relating the matter to ketchup and
>advertising expenses.
>
> You did know that of the roughly 300 million people in the US
>and Canada the Jewish population is only about 6 million or
>about 2%, and of that figure only a smaller percentage of
>Jewish people strictly follow Orthodox (and pseudo Orthodox)
>Kosher religious law.
>
>You did know that the story about Kosher certification being of
>benefit to Moslems is bullshit, because Moslems look for Halal
>certification on those products that are relevant.
>
>Actually if you do some research on Halal, you'll find out that it
>makes a hell of a lot more sense, because it is based in simple
>common sense rather than superstition, and is far closer allied to
>North American standards and accepted government food
>regulation.
>
>-------------------------------------------------------------
>  All your posts are belong to ECHELON!
>-------------------------------------------------------------

>Would you be upset if the Vatican council decided that in the
>interests of the health of Catholics that they set up a business
>entity to certify what is fit for Catholics to eat?

NO! A THOUSAND TIMES NO!!

I vote for a Catholic food certification program. I think they are the
most creative having given the world  Benedictine liquor and
fantastic wine. No other major religion has looked after the 'spirits'
of its believers like the Catholics.
A toast to the monks and god bless everyone of them! I'll gladly pay
for what they brew!




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On Wed, 09 Jan 2002 16:14:00 GMT, Patrick Gallagher
 wrote:

>tyler wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 08 Jan 2002 23:42:36 GMT, Patrick Gallagher
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> stuff cut
>> 
>> 
>>>nope - just a hope that you fail in your twisted mission to corrupt 
>>>minds. I don't wish anything other than a long life and a natural death 
>>>upon anyone, yourself included.
>>>Patrick
>>>
>> 
>> Now its a twisted mission to corrupt minds. This over discussion on
>> the added cost of kosher certification of ordinary food products.
>> 
>> You and our people are very sick Patrick. Very sick indeed.
>> 
>> tyle
>> 
>> 
>
>who are my people?
>
>last I checked, I was a tall, white, blond haired, blue eyed atheist. 
>I've got a german, russian, and irish background. My family tree is full 
>of people that are either Anglican or Catholic.
>
>I've been mistaken for a skinhead on many occasions in the past, and had 
>I been living in germany pre-WW2 I probably would have been recruited by 
>the Nazi party.
>
>Fact of the matter is, I have enough capacity for free throught that I 
>can form actual informed opinions on matters, and racism (which is all 
>this crap you've been spewing is - inventing reasons to hate people that 
>you think, incorrectly, are different from you) is bullshit. Anyone who 
>actually makes an EFFORT to invent reasons to hate other people is a 
>truly sick individual.
>
>Patrick

Well most of this post  is nonsense and is not really interesting.
You are inventing a reason for hate by ignoring the obvious and your
capacity for free thought is an illusion.  You have to have an open
mind before your thoughts can be free.

It must be the Russian in you. 




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On 9 Jan 2002 05:04:15 -0800, philnancy@aol.com (Philip Mathews)
wrote:

>tyler  wrote in message news:...
>
>> On Wed, 09 Jan 2002 00:20:41 GMT, "Philip Mathews"
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> >
>> >
>> >ROTFL
>> >
>> >So much for Waldo's proof!
>> >
>> >(snip)
>> 
>> 
>> The true value of kosher food tax to rabbinical councils can be
>> measured by the volume and ferocity of attack against those who
>> question it. 
>
>Ferocity!
>
>The true value of the lie of a Kosher Tax is that those peddling the
>lie know it's not a tax, and pretend to prove it's very expensive
>without even knowing how much it costs.
>> 
>> By the insult and sheer volume of denials common sense dictates that
>> the food tax is worth more than admitted.
>
>Common sense is absent from your statement.


Aww common. Try and make your own stuff up for a change.

As for knowing how much it costs, do you? I mean exactly, 
If you don't then just where does your opinion come from? Certainly
not from intelligent  thought. 

You have been conditioned. Bell rings and you salivate. Good dog.

tyler


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On Wed, 09 Jan 2002 16:15:01 GMT, Patrick Gallagher
 wrote:

>tyler wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 09 Jan 2002 00:20:41 GMT, "Philip Mathews"
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>>
>>>ROTFL
>>>
>>>So much for Waldo's proof!
>>>
>>>(snip)
>>>
>> 
>> 
>> The true value of kosher food tax to rabbinical councils can be
>> measured by the volume and ferocity of attack against those who
>> question it. 
>> 
>> By the insult and sheer volume of denials common sense dictates that
>> the food tax is worth more than admitted.
>> 
>> tyler
>> 
>> ...only dead fish go with the flow 
>> 
>
>so tyler, are you just mad at your jewish ancestors for something?
>
>Patrick

huh? How in the hell do you people get this from my questioning a
hidden cost of food products? It makes no difference if it's Catholic
or Jewish yet you continually focus on the fact that it is Jewish.

Explain that will you? 

tyler


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On Wed, 09 Jan 2002 17:23:20 GMT, tarpon27@yahoo.com wrote:

>On Wed, 09 Jan 2002 07:35:08 GMT, tyler 
>wrote:
>
>
>
>>The true value of kosher food tax to rabbinical councils can be
>>measured by the volume and ferocity of attack against those who
>>question it. 
>>
>>By the insult and sheer volume of denials common sense dictates that
>>the food tax is worth more than admitted.
>>
>>tyler
>>
>>...only dead fish go with the flow 
>
>
>Not according to *you*.
>

Wow what a clever mind. Clearly I am fencing with a master of
witlessness.

 TARPON Megalops atlanticus 

Description: Last ray of dorsal fin extended into long filament; one
dorsal fin; back dark blue to green or greenish black, shading into
bright silver on the sides; may be brownish gold in estuarine waters;
huge scales; mouth large and points upward. 

Note the mouth is large and it point up. Pretty good description of
your comments.

>
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>Subject: Re: BOYCOTT THE COR- Religious Tax on Our Homegrown Canadian
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>
>Until the books of companies are opened to public inspection all that
>was written is pure speculation. The costs are spread over so many
>products that it is minimal per product and per purchase. It is not
>minimal as a whole. No one is giving actual figures for the cost. It's
>all handled by spin doctors.
>
>tyler
>--------------------
>
>Hmmm...
>
>"The costs are spread over so many
>products that it is minimal per product and per purchase."
>
>Sorta kills your argument, doesn't it?



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On Wed, 09 Jan 2002 17:29:30 GMT, John Morris
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>> On Wed, 09 Jan 2002 07:35:08 GMT, tyler
>>  wrote:
> 
>> 
> 
>> >The true value of kosher food tax to rabbinical councils can be
>> >measured by the volume and ferocity of attack against those who
>> >question it. 
>
>> >By the insult and sheer volume of denials common sense dictates
>> >that the food tax is worth more than admitted.
>
>> >tyler
>
>> >...only dead fish go with the flow 
> 
>> Not according to *you*.
> 
>> ----------------
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>
>> Until the books of companies are opened to public inspection all
>> that was written is pure speculation. The costs are spread over so
>> many products that it is minimal per product and per purchase. It
>> is not minimal as a whole. No one is giving actual figures for the
>> cost. It's all handled by spin doctors.
> 
>> tyler
>> --------------------
> 
>> Hmmm...
> 
>> "The costs are spread over so many
>> products that it is minimal per product and per purchase."
> 
>> Sorta kills your argument, doesn't it?
>
>Kills it, cremates it, and scatters its ashes to the wind.
>
>It is an argument writ on water.
>
>If he hadn't nailed it to the perch. . . .


Jeezus you are really stupid. By minimizing cost to the consumer to
the point that they barely notice it the religious tax becomes an
accepted part of life. It will spread to every consumer commodity
whether related to kosher preparation or not. The final tally of
billions of products sold every year, each product being taxed at a
fraction of a cent is a terrific windfall to one religious group,
namely orthodox rabbis. 

Take out your calculator and multiply one half a cent by 5 billion
items and see what you get - and try not to make a mistake like the
others. The one half cent is not noticeable by the consumer as *I
said*. That doesn't mean that a profit is made. This is the basis of
all scams that started with the rounding off error of early banking
days. Do you even know what I'm talking about? 

my god you people are really stupid. do you even have high school? I
know Canadian education is diving, are you from Ontario? That's where
education suffered the most.

Well do the math and report back to me to see if you have finally
gotten it right and understand how even a half cent tax per item can
turn large profits.

professor tyler


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On Wed, 09 Jan 2002 19:03:28 GMT, tarpon27@yahoo.com wrote:

>On Wed, 09 Jan 2002 17:29:30 GMT, John Morris
> wrote:
>
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>>09 Jan 2002 17:23:20 GMT, tarpon27@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 09 Jan 2002 07:35:08 GMT, tyler
>>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>> 
>>> >The true value of kosher food tax to rabbinical councils can be
>>> >measured by the volume and ferocity of attack against those who
>>> >question it. 
>>
>>> >By the insult and sheer volume of denials common sense dictates
>>> >that the food tax is worth more than admitted.
>>
>>> >tyler
>>
>>> >...only dead fish go with the flow 
>> 
>>> Not according to *you*.
>> 
>>> ----------------
>>> Subject: Re: BOYCOTT THE COR- Religious Tax on Our Homegrown
>>> Canadian Food!
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>>> Until the books of companies are opened to public inspection all
>>> that was written is pure speculation. The costs are spread over so
>>> many products that it is minimal per product and per purchase. It
>>> is not minimal as a whole. No one is giving actual figures for the
>>> cost. It's all handled by spin doctors.
>> 
>>> tyler
>>> --------------------
>> 
>>> Hmmm...
>> 
>>> "The costs are spread over so many
>>> products that it is minimal per product and per purchase."
>> 
>>> Sorta kills your argument, doesn't it?
>>
>>Kills it, cremates it, and scatters its ashes to the wind.
>>
>>It is an argument writ on water.
>>
>>If he hadn't nailed it to the perch. . . .
>
>
>
>I believe the term is that he "Irvinged" himself...
>
>
>
>>
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>> at University of Alberta  
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I'll give you the same homework assignment.

Multiply 5 billion products by a one half cent tax that is not
noticeable and see what profit you make.

morons.


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On Wed, 09 Jan 2002 16:17:59 GMT, Patrick Gallagher
 wrote:

>tyler wrote:
>
>> The true value of the kosher food tax to rabbinical councils can be
>> measured by the volume and ferocity of attack against those who
>> question it. 
>> 
>> By the insult and sheer volume of denials that can be observed on the
>> newsgroups common sense dictates that the food tax is worth more than
>> admitted.
>> 
>> tyler
>> 
>> ...only dead fish go with the flow 
>> 
>
>holy lack of creative thought batman!
>
>could you post the same thing repeatedly some more so we can spend more 
>time laughing at how dumb you are please :)
>
>Patrick

ok


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On Wed, 09 Jan 2002 02:53:36 -0500, Steven Mock 
wrote:

>Waldo wrote:
>
>> "tyler"  wrote in message
>> news:pdsn3u82qlam374tghq9npcg0tq5s59bom@4ax.com...
>
>> > By the insult and sheer volume of denials common sense dictates that
>> > the food tax is worth more than admitted.
>> >
>> > tyler
>> >
>> > ...only dead fish go with the flow
>> 
>> Excellent points, Tyler.
>> 
>> Jews and their apologists do raise an extraordinary hue and cry whenever the
>> subject is mentioned, don't they?
>
>Nah.  We're just bored because no one on alt.revisionism wasn't to talk
>about revisionism anymore.
>
>And anyway, people generally get upset when they're unfairly accused of
>something they didn't do, don't they, Waldo?  Particularly when the
>accusation is based on racist stereotypes and generalizations.
>
>If we didn't bother to answer your posts, you'd probably claim to have
>beaten us, wouldn't you?
>
>Steven Mock

You are not the target. You're already f*cked up man. Don't flatter
yourself.

what a laugh

tyler


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On Wed, 09 Jan 2002 02:40:40 -0500, Steven Mock 
wrote:

>tyler wrote:
>
>> By the insult and sheer volume of denials that can be observed on the
>> newsgroups common sense dictates that the food tax is worth more than
>> admitted.
>
>Did this guy just invent a new logical fallacy, or is there a word for
>this?
>
>Steven Mock


yeah, i invented it.  sorry to twist your brain so much.

go out and read a philosophy book idiot.

tyler




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On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 05:44:41 GMT, "Philip Mathews"
 wrote:

>"tyler"  wrote in message
>news:go7q3ucu8uue306r1duuvjhquqk3mmb3og@4ax.com...
>
>> On 9 Jan 2002 05:04:15 -0800, philnancy@aol.com (Philip Mathews)
>> wrote:
>>
>> >tyler  wrote in message
>news:...
>> >
>> >> On Wed, 09 Jan 2002 00:20:41 GMT, "Philip Mathews"
>> >>  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >ROTFL
>> >> >
>> >> >So much for Waldo's proof!
>> >> >
>> >> >(snip)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> The true value of kosher food tax to rabbinical councils can be
>> >> measured by the volume and ferocity of attack against those who
>> >> question it.
>> >
>> >Ferocity!
>> >
>> >The true value of the lie of a Kosher Tax is that those peddling the
>> >lie know it's not a tax, and pretend to prove it's very expensive
>> >without even knowing how much it costs.
>> >>
>> >> By the insult and sheer volume of denials common sense dictates that
>> >> the food tax is worth more than admitted.
>> >
>> >Common sense is absent from your statement.
>
>> As for knowing how much it costs, do you? I mean exactly,
>
>The only people who know exactly how much it costs are the companies who
>desire it.
>
>Now why don't you tell me  how poor Waldo claims to have proven that Kosher
>certification costs more than it could possibly return if he doesn't know
>how much it costs?
>
>Take your time, and you may use a calculator.

We can only speculate. Waldo at least makes an honest attempt. What
the hell do you do? The truth has to be estimated right now.

You like to sound important since there is no substance to your
thoughts. You deny the notion that there is a religious hidden tax on
foods without any thought to its value. 

go on, go lick your balls in the corner and try again..





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On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 05:14:55 GMT, tyler 
wrote:


>my god you people are really stupid. do you even have high school? I
>know Canadian education is diving, are you from Ontario? That's where
>education suffered the most.
>
>Well do the math and report back to me to see if you have finally
>gotten it right and understand how even a half cent tax per item can
>turn large profits.
>
>professor tyler

I apologize to the Ontarians. I just realized that many of these guys
are Americans and it goes without saying how dumb they are. Betcha
they don't even know the capital of Canada.

tyler


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Jewish Canadian In Israel

http://www.islamweb.net/english/Article.asp?Article=3212

A Palestinian journalist who disguised himself as a foreign journalist
asked the settlers if peaceful Palestinians could live in peace with
Jews. 

A woman settler, who said she had migrated from Toronto, Canada,
replied: "there is no such a thing as peaceful Arabs, the best Arab as
far as I'm concerned is the dead Arab!" 


***********************************************************

Is what she said true?

tyler


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On Sat, 05 Jan 2002 14:08:52 GMT, president@whitehouse.SPAMgov
(BrianM) wrote:

>tyler  wrote:
>>
>>On Thu, 03 Jan 2002 18:30:51 GMT, "Offot"  wrote:
>>>
>>>What has the DEA to do with Canada, anyway ?
>>
>>They're in Vancouver already.  Yes they have an office dimwit.
>
>Canada sucks Uncle Scam's cock.

AND loving it...


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As a helping hint, when stopped by a cop in Canada NEVER EVER admit to
ANYTHING and NEVER EVER allow a search.

If you car smells like marijuana it is NOT sufficient reason for a
search. The cop MUST ask you. Believe it or not MOST people say ok
thinking the cop will do it anyway. DON"T DO IT. NEVER admit to even
SMOKING it! It's not a fucking game! 

Cops have been trained to project authority and guide your answers.
Don't bother playing mind games. Just say NO! Ignore what they are
saying. Don't answer questions with sentences. Just say yes or no. If
they ask you details that aren't relevant just say you don't know.
Play really dumb. DO NOT SAY SENTENCES. They ask, you say yes or no.
Say NO to searches, NEVER admit to anything. 

If he stopped you for running a red or something roadwise and asks you
if you were aware that it was yellow don't answer. Just say "on the
advice of your lawyer you cannot answer. If a ticket is going to be
issued please issue the ticket."
 END OF STORY!! If you admit to seeing a yellow or a red your
testimony will be used in court. This is not the USA! They don't have
to advise you of your rights! Just ask politely for a ticket and you
cannot answer the questions. The cop will threaten you with a roadside
supension and all sorts of crap. Don't be threatened. It's all
bullshit. He can't do that unless you were driving dangerously. ANd if
you were, he'll impound the car anyway regardless of what you say. The
cop will never say one way or the other exactly what he will do.
That's because he can't lie outright! But he will imply. DON"T LISTEN
TO IT. 

It's hard to do because we are trained to respond to authority. Get
some balls and do not be intimidated by cops that  you know were the
bullies in high school. They count on the bullying skills, it's time
you stopped letting them run you around!

For pot smell they will threaten you with tickets, threaten to keep
you at the highway and call other cops and get a search warrant but
THEY WON'T GET ONE!  It's all bullshit.Just wait them out. Other cops
will drive by and say the warrant is coming but they are LYING! OK?
GOT IT? It's all psychological. Don't be scared and don't let anyone
else  in your car say a fucking thing! GOT IT? Don't agree for a
search! IF the didn't need your agreement they wouldn't ask would
they? Think about it!


 A cop has to SEE you smoking the joint or SEE the grass diplayed
openly on your dash or seat. A judge will NOT issue a warrant unless
the cop has witnessed the 'event'.  If you agree to let him search
then your fucked. 

In Canada they can no longer just search the car at will like they
used to 10 years ago.

Whew, just be careful out there!

tyler  


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On Sat, 5 Jan 2002 18:30:01 +0000 (UTC), kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org
(Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:

>In article ,
>tyler   wrote:
>>n Fri, 4 Jan 2002 21:48:11 +0000 (UTC), kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org
>>(Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:
>>
>>>I disagree. Hitler was raised within a strict Catholic environment,
>>>and saw Jews, literally, as the spawn of Satan. He hated them long
>>>before he became politically astute enough to associate Jews and
>>>Communism.
>>>
>>>German Jews were the most successfully integrated in all of Europe, so
>>>your second contention is also incorrect.
>>
>>Kenneth McVay, Zionist,  Blames Catholicism for Hitler!
>
>Nope. I blame Catholicism for Hitler's pathological hatred of Jews. Do
>try to get it right.

Oh sorry, so there must also be a non-pathological hatred of jews then
eh?


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Subject: Re: Facts about the Kosher Cabal  (was Re: The Council of Orthodox Rabbis: Kosher Tax on Canadians?)
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On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 05:44:41 GMT, "Philip Mathews"
 wrote:

>"tyler"  wrote in message
>news:go7q3ucu8uue306r1duuvjhquqk3mmb3og@4ax.com...
>
>> On 9 Jan 2002 05:04:15 -0800, philnancy@aol.com (Philip Mathews)
>> wrote:
>>
>> >tyler  wrote in message
>news:...
>> >
>> >> On Wed, 09 Jan 2002 00:20:41 GMT, "Philip Mathews"
>> >>  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >ROTFL
>> >> >
>> >> >So much for Waldo's proof!
>> >> >
>> >> >(snip)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> The true value of kosher food tax to rabbinical councils can be
>> >> measured by the volume and ferocity of attack against those who
>> >> question it.
>> >
>> >Ferocity!
>> >
>> >The true value of the lie of a Kosher Tax is that those peddling the
>> >lie know it's not a tax, and pretend to prove it's very expensive
>> >without even knowing how much it costs.
>> >>
>> >> By the insult and sheer volume of denials common sense dictates that
>> >> the food tax is worth more than admitted.
>> >
>> >Common sense is absent from your statement.
>
>> As for knowing how much it costs, do you? I mean exactly,
>
>The only people who know exactly how much it costs are the companies who
>desire it.
>
>Now why don't you tell me  how poor Waldo claims to have proven that Kosher
>certification costs more than it could possibly return if he doesn't know
>how much it costs?
>
>Take your time, and you may use a calculator.

Snipped from:

http://www.kosherquest.org/html/Reliable_Kosher_Symbols.htm

The cost of certification to the manufacturer is minimal. For
non-profit agencies, cost depends on the amount of on-site work.
Agencies making a profit might have a minimum annual charge and fees
depending on the gross annual sales of the product. 

************************************************************************

Note that the rabbinical organizations have a choice.
Non - profit certification or certification for profit.
 
The fact is that some if not most certify foods for PROFIT!

OK? If it were ALL not profit MAYBEEEEE it wouldn't be that big of a
deal. But they do it for profit, and profit for a rabbi as evidenced
by the Reichmann family is the same as god.

The rabbis had a choice. They chose profit. How much profit is
irrelevant.

tyler


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Profit from COR, the Kosher tax on foods - The choice was made

Snipped from:

http://www.kosherquest.org/html/Reliable_Kosher_Symbols.htm

The cost of certification to the manufacturer is minimal. For
non-profit agencies, cost depends on the amount of on-site work.
Agencies making a profit might have a minimum annual charge and fees
depending on the gross annual sales of the product. 

************************************************************************

Note that the rabbinical organizations have a choice.
Non - profit certification or certification for profit.
 
The fact is that some if not most certify foods for PROFIT! Based on
gross annual sales! That's a lot of ketchup! 

If it were ALL not profit MAYBEEEEE it wouldn't be that big of a deal.
But they do it for profit, and profit for a rabbi as evidenced by the
Reichmann family is the same as god.

The rabbis had a choice. They chose profit. How much profit is
irrelevant. They could have chosen to organize all non-profit
certification councils. 

Canadian consumers ARE allowing a religion to profit from sales of
ordinary food items.

tyler


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On Sat, 05 Jan 2002 14:10:39 GMT, president@whitehouse.SPAMgov
(BrianM) wrote:

>Len Karpinski  wrote:
>>
>>Of the choices below, I would say #2, since the DEA has no authority outside
>>of the United States.
>
>Perhaps you meant to write that the DEA has no *accountability*
>outside of the USA.  The DEA operates on almost every continent.

The RCMP are led by the DEA. The RCMP make the bust, the DEA are there
to make sure they don't f*ck it up and to train the RCMP on how to
pocket the cash - or look the other way. 

The satellite pictures the DEA uses are not for Canadian eyes as the
images are classified. So the DEA tells the RCMP where the pot is.


.


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The ship was not in Israeli waters and it was an act of piracy. 

Or did you not get that from the reports yet?

On Wed, 09 Jan 2002 10:14:36 -0600, Geoff Casey
 wrote:

>It does not help the Israeli case regarding Arafat's direct involvement
>in the so-called 'ship of terrror' when many of the news media (if not
>most) refused even to take pictures of the ship.     Neither does it
>help that our CBC gives us a "he said/she said" type of story which
>favours the Palestinians and casts doubt on the Israeli's.   It's too
>bad that our publicly supported CBC does not do its homework.     Here
>are some details that may well link Yasser Arafat to the ship that was
>seized which may well cast light on why it's hard to nail the top
>officials in the PA.   Certainly in the world of crime the top bosses
>cover their tracks and use intermediaries and Arafat and his PA is
>nothing more than a well-funded criminal organization,  a fact most of
>the media seem to overlook.
>
>
>                  FROM DEBKA INTELLIGENCE FILES
>                  Palestinian security chief
>                  supervised Karine-A loading
>                  Israeli officials bringing evidence of Arafat
>                  complicity to Washintgon
>
>
>                  Editor's note: DEBKAfile's electronic news
>                  publication is a news-cum-analysis live wire, online
>                  round the clock seven days a week. A weekly
>                  edition,DEBKA-Net-Weekly, is now available through
>                  WorldNetDaily.com. Drawing on DEBKAfile's unique
>                  sources, analytical talents and forward-looking
>                  insights, it is presented as a compact,
>                  intelligence-angled weekly package. It is available as
>
>                  a direct e-mail feed or via the Internet.
>
>
>                  © 2002 WorldNetDaily.com
>
>                  Israeli intelligence officers due in Washington today
>carry
>                  incriminating proofs of Yasser Arafat’s direct
>complicity
>                  in all the stages of the foiled Karine-A gun-running
>                  operation, according to military sources.
>
>                  Headed by Lt.-Col Yossi Kuperwasser, head of the
>                  Army Intelligence (Aman) Research Department, the
>                  group is charged with placing the evidence before
>                  Assistant Secretary of State William Burns and U.S.
>                  Defense Department and intelligence officials.
>
>                  They will demonstrate that Mohamed Dahlan, the
>                  Palestinian Authority’s preventive security chief in
>the
>                  Gaza Strip and one of Arafat’s most senior
>lieutenants,
>                  was present in the emirate of Dubai when the Karine-A
>                  arrived and supervised the loading of the contraband
>                  munitions.
>
>                  He did not show himself to the ship’s crew, relaying
>his
>                  orders through Iranian and Palestinian go-betweens in
>the
>                  emirate and the PLO representative in Greece, Adel
>                  Awadallah, named in Monday’s interview with the ship’s
>
>                  captain Omar Akawi as his contact man, who also flew
>                  to Dubai. Dahlan stayed under cover in the emirate
>until
>                  the ship was fully loaded on the Iranian island of
>Kish. It
>                  was he who ordered the captain to set a course for the
>
>                  Suez Canal. The Palestinian security chief also made
>sure
>                  Akawi received the recognition passwords for the three
>
>                  smaller vessels to offload the cargo in the
>Mediterranean
>                  opposite Alexandria, Egypt.
>
>                  The information laid before the U.S. administration
>                  includes Dahlan’s itineraries and timetables for
>setting up
>                  the smuggling operation through a network of
>operatives,
>                  intermediaries and contacts, from a base he set up in
>                  Libya.
>
>                  According to military sources, the Gazan security
>chief
>                  left for Cairo early last week, after telling his
>associates
>                  that he would go on to Tripoli. Instead, he flew from
>                  Cairo to Dubai aboard the private plane of a Gulf
>                  businessman.
>
>                  In the view of those sources, there is no way Egyptian
>
>                  security authorities could have missed Dahlan’s
>frequent
>                  travels in and out of Cairo, which accounts for
>Egyptian
>                  foreign minister Ali Maher’s vehemence in shooting
>down
>                  Israel’s version of the affair.
>
>                  The Israeli intelligence officers will also bare the
>                  involvement of the Palestinian tycoon who is Arafat’s
>                  personal financial aide, Muhamed Rashid, in financing
>the
>                  purchase of the vessel and its cargo. This information
>is
>                  less detailed than the intelligence on Dahaln’s role
>                  because the investigation is still in progress. But it
>is
>                  enough to link Arafat to the arms smuggling conspiracy
>
>                  and account for the blistering condemnations leveled
>at
>                  him by prime minister Ariel Sharon and chief of staff,
>
>                  Lt.-Gen. Shaul Mofaz on Sunday, January 6, in Eilat.
>
>                  Sources in Jerusalem say Sharon had had no intention
>of
>                  exposing the roles played by Dahlan and Rashid in
>setting
>                  up the arms-running operation, but changed his mind
>                  when U.S. State Department spokesmen cast doubts on
>                  the data Israel passed to Washington on the Karine-A
>                  affair.
>
>Please see the National Post article for Tuesday, January 8, on details
>given by the ship's captain who identifies two top -ranking Palestinian
>officials who are very close to Arafat (but at the same time maintains
>that the top PLO officials knew nothing of the shipment).   Curiously
>the Palestinians do not want to comment on the one who is the PLO's
>armament  procurer.       The other name does not seem to be mentioned
>on the news I've been listening to but he was in the PLO's navy, as was
>the ship's captain.
>
>It won't be the first time that evidence that is so obvious gets
>explained away or ignored by those unwilling to believe that Arafat is
>disingenuous when it comes to the so-called "peace process".  And our
>news media in general and also world leaders seem to be unwilling.
>
>Regards,
>
>Geoff



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The ship was not in Israeli waters and it was an act of piracy. 

The rest is bullshit. Israeli torturer can make you say anything they
want. 

On Wed, 09 Jan 2002 10:42:16 -0600, Geoff Casey
 wrote:

>National Post for Tuesday, January 8, 2002
>
>                    Arms ship headed for Gaza: captain
>                    Palestinians deny link: Captured mariner says, 'I
>obeyed orders'
>
>                    Michael Higgins
>                    National Post, with files from The Associated Press,
>Reuters and The New York Times
>
>                    A Palestinian naval captain captured by Israeli
>                    commandos with 50 tonnes of weapons on his ship
>                    said yesterday he was carrying out the smuggling
>                    operation on the orders of Palestinian officials.

Bullshit cut to conserve 'bandwit'

>Regards,
>Geoff
>
>
>



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On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 08:36:38 GMT, THE IMMORTAL KING!!!!!


Now that's quite a handle you have there! But it is my c*ck that is
bigger I assure you!

tyler



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On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:37:07 GMT, John Morris
 wrote:

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>In  in alt.revisionism,
>on Thu, 10 Jan 2002 05:14:55 GMT, tyler 
>wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 09 Jan 2002 17:29:30 GMT, John Morris
>>  wrote:
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>> >In <3c3c7be7.7612333@news.mindspring.com> in alt.revisionism, on
>> >Wed, 09 Jan 2002 17:23:20 GMT, tarpon27@yahoo.com wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Wed, 09 Jan 2002 07:35:08 GMT, tyler
>> >>  wrote:
>> > 
>> >> 
>> > 
>> >> >The true value of kosher food tax to rabbinical councils can be
>> >> >measured by the volume and ferocity of attack against those who
>> >> >question it. 
>> >
>> >> >By the insult and sheer volume of denials common sense dictates
>> >> >that the food tax is worth more than admitted.
>> >
>> >> >tyler
>> >
>> >> >...only dead fish go with the flow 
>> > 
>> >> Not according to *you*.
>> > 
>> >> ----------------
>> >> Subject: Re: BOYCOTT THE COR- Religious Tax on Our Homegrown
>> >> Canadian Food!
>> >> Message-ID: 
>> >> References: 
>> >> <3c369032$0$190@news.impulse.net>
>> >> <9BFZ7.54816$Sj1.22705431@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>
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>> >
>> >> Until the books of companies are opened to public inspection all
>> >> that was written is pure speculation. The costs are spread over
>> >> so many products that it is minimal per product and per
>> >> purchase. It is not minimal as a whole. No one is giving actual
>> >> figures for the cost. It's all handled by spin doctors.
>> > 
>> >> tyler
>> >> --------------------
>> > 
>> >> Hmmm...
>> > 
>> >> "The costs are spread over so many
>> >> products that it is minimal per product and per purchase."
>
>> >> Sorta kills your argument, doesn't it?
>
>> >Kills it, cremates it, and scatters its ashes to the wind.
>
>> >It is an argument writ on water.
>
>> >If he hadn't nailed it to the perch. . . .
> 
>> Jeezus you are really stupid. By minimizing cost to the consumer to
>> the point that they barely notice it the religious tax becomes an
>> accepted part of life.
>
>Your point?
>
>> It will spread to every consumer commodity
>> whether related to kosher preparation or not. The final tally of
>> billions of products sold every year, each product being taxed at a
>> fraction of a cent is a terrific windfall to one religious group,
>> namely orthodox rabbis. 
>
>So?
> 
>> Take out your calculator and multiply one half a cent by 5 billion
>> items and see what you get
>
>I don't buy 5 billion items a year.  Tell me why I should care?
>
>> - and try not to make a mistake like the
>> others. The one half cent is not noticeable by the consumer as *I
>> said*.
>
>And so I care why exactly?
>
>> That doesn't mean that a profit is made. This is the basis of
>> all scams that started with the rounding off error of early banking
>> days. Do you even know what I'm talking about? 
> 
>> my god you people are really stupid. do you even have high school?
>> I know Canadian education is diving, are you from Ontario? That's
>> where education suffered the most.
> 
>> Well do the math and report back to me to see if you have finally
>> gotten it right and understand how even a half cent tax per item
>> can turn large profits.
>
>And I should care why?
>
>> professor tyler
>
>C'mon, perfesser.  You're the smart one.  I'm the stupid one. 
>Explain to me why I should care whether the stuff in my kitchen
>cupboard is acceptable to a religious niche market when the aggregate
>cost to me might amount to a whole penny a year.

Because it's not all about YOU. As an individual you are meaningless.
That's right! It's noit about YOU.

It is the collective that is affected by a religion. The costs are not
associated with nutrition.

>
>See if you can do it without the assumption that I should share your
>personal animus against Jews.

I have no animus against Jews. I have animus against unfair secretive
costs that are passed on to me.  As I have continually said, and you
continually ignore for personal reasons, if the tax was Catholic I
would be just as pissed off. 

What is your personal agenda that you have decided to ignore the
obvious?

Well, that's a rhetorical question isn't it? As a typical Canadian you
just ignore anything at all that is controversial. If you cannot
envision how something can affect you you ignore it. If you cannot
envision how you can change something you rationalize it. Canadians
are known throughout the world as wimps and you unfortunately are but
a common sample of the herd. As such you have nothing of value to say,
just shut up and pay everybody what they want. But don't try and bring
me down to your level of stupour. What makes you uncomfortable is the
fact that I have decided to actually do something about an inequity.
To make yourself feel better you just put if off as racism when it is
obvious that it is not. Just go back to sleep and ignore all this.

tyler




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On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:54:46 GMT, Patrick Gallagher
 wrote:

>>
>>
>>
>>I'll give you the same homework assignment.
>>
>>Multiply 5 billion products by a one half cent tax that is not
>>noticeable and see what profit you make.
>>
>>morons.
>>
>same profit as I would have made before... except it's 6.5 millionths of 
>a cent, it's built in to the cost, and it's a fee to the manufacturer 
>that's too small to be passed on to the consumer... this is added to the 
>cost before the markup, so it doesn't affect profits at all, with the 
>exception of the 440 million dollars in profits garnered from the ethnic 
>Jewish folk that require kosher... and another 300 million or more from 
>other groups that also require kosher, albeit for other than religious 
>reasons. 700 million in profits for roughly 27 million in costs - if you 
>do the math, you'll see the truth.
>
>Of course... you won't - but that's your problem :)
>
>enjoy your kosher frootloops
>
>Patrick

The truth is not out there since all transactions and accounts are
secret. Anything else on your rant is pure speculation that is used to
support the purpose and intent of a religion profitting from food
distribution. 

If the books were opened to public inspection this topic would be
decided one way or the other. It's very simple. Wonder why you can't
think of that?

tyler  


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On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:54:06 GMT, John Morris
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>on Thu, 10 Jan 2002 07:11:09 GMT, tyler 
>wrote:
>
>[snip]
>
>> Snipped from:
> 
>> http://www.kosherquest.org/html/Reliable_Kosher_Symbols.htm
>> 
>> The cost of certification to the manufacturer is minimal. For
>> non-profit agencies, cost depends on the amount of on-site work.
>> Agencies making a profit might have a minimum annual charge and
>> fees depending on the gross annual sales of the product. 
>
>
>In the same paragraph:
>
>  There is usually no increase in the price of the product due
>  to its kosher certification, because the cost of certification
>  is generally met by increased sales. The O/U reports that in
>  over 45 years, fewer than 12 companies discontinued their
>  certification programs because sales did not increase.  
> 
>> Note that the rabbinical organizations have a choice.
>
>Note that companies also have a choice.
>
>> Non - profit certification or certification for profit.
>  
>> The fact is that some if not most certify foods for PROFIT!
> 
>> OK? If it were ALL not profit MAYBEEEEE it wouldn't be that big of
>> a deal. But they do it for profit, and profit for a rabbi as
>> evidenced by the Reichmann family is the same as god.
> 
>> The rabbis had a choice. They chose profit. How much profit is
>> irrelevant.
>
>So basically your argument boils down to saying Jews should not have
>the right to charge fees for services voluntarily contracted by food
>producers.
>
>Which is pretty much the same as saying that you hate Jews, and you'd
>like the rest of us to hate Jews, too.

Nothing is voluntary in business.  As a student you have no idea of
what you're talking about.



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Oh NO! Engineers Look Out! Dilbert had been downsized!

http://www.comics.com/comics/dilbert/


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On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:40:53 -0800, Andrew Carol
 wrote:

>In article <3C3E1145.3020105@hotmail.com>, Patrick Gallagher
> wrote:
>
>>   If your assertion that the cost per item was half a cent... then maybe 
>> you'd have a point - however, the major manufacturers that have 
>> commented all stated what it cost them, and that the cost was offset by 
>> increased profits - and you yourself have provided numbers showing how 
>> it increased their profits (over 700 million dollars). The cost of the 
>> certifications is absorbed by the manufacturers, it has no affect on 
>> pricing at all. An item that would be $2.9868564 sells for $2.99 - the 
>> same item with that cost figured in would be $2.9968570, which still 
>> sells for $2.99 - where is the difference to you? In the grand scheme of 
>> things, the companies might be giving up 20-30 million overall in 
>> profits to begin with, but when that nets them an additional 700 
>> million, it's not much of a sacrifice.
>
>Going Kosher could, in some cases, lower prices.  If the added cost per
>item is a fraction of a cent, but sales increase the higher volume may
>allow better economies of scale and distribution.
>
>For most companies, going Kosher is no different than finding a way to
>label a product "heart smart" or "low fat".  It's all marketing.  They
>do it for the selfish reason of raising profits.  That is a good thing.
>
>
>They've done the math and realise that the added revenue would increase
>profits more than the expense of certification would cost them.
>
>For companies which would realise no such benefit Kosher would not even
>be considered.
>
>If being Kosher was costing a company too much it would back out so
>fast your head would spin.  Can anybody ever point to a company being
>"scanctioned" for deciding to no longer claim Kosher certification?
>
>---- Andy

The COR certification is imposed by a special interest group. The
costs are absorbed by the consumer NOT by the company.  So your
argument is meaningless.

Back to the banking example. Round off error in accounts can garner
millions. No one notices. Banks still profit. OK? Understand? They
still profit!

Now if the rabbis donated profits that they garner as a result of
certification  to a non-denominational charity like the United Way
then MAYBE it would not stink so much.

tyler.




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On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 23:40:54 GMT, John Morris
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>wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:37:07 GMT, John Morris
>>  wrote:
>
>> >In  in
>> >alt.revisionism, on Thu, 10 Jan 2002 05:14:55 GMT, tyler
>> > wrote:
>
>[snip]
>
>> >And I should care why?
>
>> >> professor tyler
>
>> >C'mon, perfesser.  You're the smart one.  I'm the stupid one. 
>> >Explain to me why I should care whether the stuff in my kitchen
>> >cupboard is acceptable to a religious niche market when the
>> >aggregate cost to me might amount to a whole penny a year.
> 
>> Because it's not all about YOU. As an individual you are
>> meaningless. That's right! It's noit about YOU.
>
>I disagree.  It is about me and millions of others like me.  The
>effects of kosher certification, if they are felt at all, are felt by
>individuals.

Millions like YOU? That's funny. Million do not know what COR is. But
don't let the truth waylay you.

> 
>> It is the collective that is affected by a religion.
>
>The collective?  The collective is a collectivist fiction.
>
>Certainly human beings are social animals and live in societies.

Well, animals anyway...

>
>Perhaps you could explain the bad effects on society of kosher
>certification.  So far you haven't.  All you've said is that it is
>"wrong."

The profits serve a special interest group that is not invovled in
actually getting the product to market. 



>
>> The costs are not
>> associated with nutrition.
>
>Your point?
> 
>> >See if you can do it without the assumption that I should share
>> >your personal animus against Jews.
> 
>> I have no animus against Jews.
>
>Oh suuuure.

Yeah, I thought so. Another paranoid...


>
>> I have animus against unfair secretive
>> costs that are passed on to me.
>
>These would be the costs which you seem to have no basis for
>defining.
>
>>  As I have continually said, and you
>> continually ignore for personal reasons,
>
>Continually?  I've only just started responding to you.  Continuous
>with what, pray?
>
>> if the tax was Catholic I
>> would be just as pissed off. 
> 
>> What is your personal agenda that you have decided to ignore the
>> obvious?
>
>You are very obvious.  Mostly I find there's no mileage in responding
>to idiots like you.
> 
>> Well, that's a rhetorical question isn't it? As a typical Canadian
>> you just ignore anything at all that is controversial. If you
>> cannot
>> envision how something can affect you you ignore it. If you cannot
>> envision how you can change something you rationalize it. Canadians
>> are known throughout the world as wimps and you unfortunately are
>> but a common sample of the herd. As such you have nothing of value
>> to say, just shut up and pay everybody what they want. But don't
>> try and bring me down to your level of stupour.
>
>
>Did you think that you _ad hominem_ rant was going to convince me? 
>What is it about your anger that is supposed to be so convincing?


Anger? I'm not angry at all. Don't be absurd. 


>
>It's not about you and your inability to contain your emotions.  Your
>emotions are quite irrelevant, since they do can scarcely have been
>caused by your having to pay a whole penny a year for kosher
>products.  You are feeling emotions on behalf of a collective which
>as an aggregate of individuals couldn't care less about a penny a
>year.
>
>Tell you what.  Since you feel the effects of this gross,
>penny-a-year inequity so keenly, why don't you buy non-kosher
>products?
>
>> What makes you uncomfortable is the
>> fact that I have decided to actually do something about an
>> inequity.  
>
>What inequity?
>
>> To make yourself feel better you just put if off as racism when it
>> is obvious that it is not.
>
>How is that so obvious?  The myth of the kosher tax is pretty much a
>staple of antisemitism.
>
>Perhaps you have been fooled by antisemites into adopting this as
>your foolish cause.  But that isn't very obvious.
>
>> Just go back to sleep and ignore all this.
>
>Oh, gosh, no.  I think you owe me an explanation.  Perhaps you could
>explain in calm, unemotional terms why it is an inequity for food
>processing companies to want to expand their markets by satisifying a
>religious minority's practices with respect to food products.

Because a special interest group profits unfairly by the process. 

Now if the rabbis donated profits that they garner as a result of
certification  to a non-denominational charity like the United Way
then MAYBE it would not stink so much. 

Of course you'll find that unacceptable as well being an animal and
all...

tyler.




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On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 22:13:04 GMT, "T Mann" 
wrote:

>re: Did you see a single show where one of the parties would say that it
>was okay to kill 3000 people?
>
>No....but come to think of it, I saw a great deal of interviews with muslim
>people that didn't seem to think it was too terrible.  2 seconds of lip
>service ("the muslim community condems these actions") and then starting to
>complain about racism against muslims.  Most of which was imagined.
>
>After the attacks, I didn't feel anything toward muslims in general...but
>since then, I have not seen anything I like about them....

Yeah, well, I have not seen anything I like about ANY religious group.
It's interesting that the attacks committed overseas don't bother you.


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On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 09:37:00 +0000 (UTC), kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org
(Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:

>In article ,
>tyler   wrote:
>>The ship was not in Israeli waters and it was an act of piracy. 
>>
>>Or did you not get that from the reports yet?
>
>Which has what, exactly, to do with evidence of Arafat's involvement?
>Any particular reason you didn't want to talk about that?

If its the same evidence that was presented about Ivan Demaniuk (or
however u spell his last name) which was later found to be doctored
then I guess there is not much to talk about. I mean, after an
American was convicted and sentenced to die by Israeli courts and a
big show was staged THEN they had to admit that all the evidence was
forged. So much for Israeli justice.

As far as evidence, Israel broke the law by pirating a ship in
non-territorial waters. That ship could have been destined for
Lebanon, which in that case is non of Israel's business.


tyler


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Ship of "terror" captured by "terror state".

Is there a better way to put this?




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On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 09:58:09 +0000 (UTC), kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org
(Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:

> Israeli use of torture is an abomination, and it is to Israel's
>credit that their Supreme Court acted to end it. If it hasn't ended, I
>have no problem expressing disgust and condemnation. 

As if it has stopped. 




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If the profits made by the rabbinical organizations that are obtained
by the kosher food tax were turned over to the United Way Campaign
then perhaps that would solve any misconceptions all around?

Who doesn't agree with this?

tyler


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On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 23:24:07 +0000 (UTC), kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org
(Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:

>In article ,
>THE IMMORTAL BORE!!!!!   wrote:
>
>[...]
>
>>Of course what defines this hate is always an open-ended issue.
>>Indeed, all one needs to do to be BRANDED as hateful of jews is to say
>>anything that criticises the practises or statements of the Sharon
>>government. Denounce the bulldozing of the homes of INNOCENT
>>Palestinians, and one will be considered a member of the Aryan
>>Nations. Shimon Peres has criticised the policies of his government in
>>regards to the Palestinians: is he an Aryan as well?
>
>Canadian law, both criminal and civil, defines offenses which can be
>categorized as hate. For that reason alone, your contention is
>claptrap.
>
>I've criticized Sharon's government, and I haven't been "BRANDED" as
>"hateful" by anyone, Jew or not. For that reason, too, your contention
>is claptrap.
>
>Two for two... about par in your case.


Oh hey! I've branded you as a racist already! How can you have
forgotten so soon! 

mortified tyler


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On Fri, 11 Jan 2002 02:04:59 GMT, tarpon27@yahoo.com wrote:

>On Fri, 11 Jan 2002 01:26:20 GMT, No Spam  wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 11 Jan 2002 01:08:52 GMT,
>>in bc.general
>>tyler  used both functioning neurons to say:
>>
>>>If the profits made by the rabbinical organizations that are obtained
>>>by the kosher food tax were turned over to the United Way Campaign
>>>then perhaps that would solve any misconceptions all around?
>>>
>>>Who doesn't agree with this?
>>
>>Shit, I'd be happy if **all** the $$$ got turned over to a Synagogue, to
>>help with congregation projects instead of lining someone's pocket.
>>
>>-------------------------------------------------------------
>>  All your posts are belong to ECHELON!
>>-------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>The largest kashrut organization is the Orthodox Union (OU), with over
>75% of the world's kosher foods certified by them.
>
>It is a non-profit organization made up of several divisions.
>

Yeah yeah, but not in Canada. Why don't you Americans f*ck off with
your propoganda and stay on your side of the border. As is common
knowledge Americans know jack shit about anything Canadian.

In Canada it's the COR and that is what I am talking about. 




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On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 17:07:04 -0800, Andrew Carol
 wrote:

>In article , tyler
> wrote:
>
>> 
>> The COR certification is imposed by a special interest group. The
>> costs are absorbed by the consumer NOT by the company.  So your
>> argument is meaningless.
>
>Explain the "imposed" part.
>
>They literally force an unwilling company to become Kosher?  How do
>they manage this?  Guns?  Lawsuits?  Black magic?

It's easy. The holocaust has given carte blanche to any jewish group
that wants to terrorize anyone that opposes their interests. If a
company was unwilling to allow inspection I'm sure it would be
labelled as anti-semitic. In this politically absurd world that is the
kiss of death.

You should read Norman Finkelstein's work on the holocaust industry
for deeper understanding of the political currents that affect your
life. (Thank god Finkelstein  is a Jew and son of concentration camp
survivors otherwise he would never have been taken seriously because
of the hysteria around this topic)

tyler


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On Fri, 11 Jan 2002 01:45:33 GMT, "Philip Mathews"
 wrote:
>Oh, you just say that because there are no thoughts to your substance!

Philip. You mean "no substance to your thoughts",  you dolt.

C'mon, if you're going to insult me then try and get it right.

tyler



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On 10 Jan 2002 12:02:04 -0800, tcantine@incentre.net (Thomas Cantine)
wrote:

>For some reason, the message to which Tyler is responding does not
>itself appear in the newsthread I'm reading on Google (perhaps it's
>marked no-archive), so I must respond to the quotes as they appear in
>Tyler's post.

BLATANT CENSORSHIP! YAAAAAAAA!!! I'm being censored!

ur post is so late its passe.

sorry  i can't read it. read Waldo's last post on how equipment has to
be cleaned etc. It's terrific



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On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 21:20:33 -0800, Andrew Carol
 wrote:

>In article <83rs3uc5m9pgrtsbhddgqm07ukjdc3i12f@4ax.com>, tyler
> wrote:
>
>> It's easy. The holocaust has given carte blanche to any jewish group
>> that wants to terrorize anyone that opposes their interests. If a
>> company was unwilling to allow inspection I'm sure it would be
>> labelled as anti-semitic. In this politically absurd world that is the
>> kiss of death.
>
>You say "I'm sure".  I'm gonna call you on it.
>
>Name one single company accused of being anti semetic for deciding they
>did not want to sell Kosher foods.  One.
>
>If they are forced to become kosher you have more of a case.
>
>If they decide to on their own, then it's their company and they can do
>with them as they see fit.
>
>
>--- Andy

yah right. like what goes behind board meetings and closed doors is
made public. 


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On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 20:59:29 -0800, "Waldo" 
wrote:

>
>"tyler"  wrote in message
>news:jlds3usphudd3a9g6dig87hukbjgc2ne3q@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 23:40:54 GMT, John Morris
>>  wrote:
>>
>> >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>> >Hash: SHA1
>> >
>> >In  in alt.revisionism,
>> >on Thu, 10 Jan 2002 21:56:24 GMT, tyler 
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:37:07 GMT, John Morris
>> >>  wrote:
>> >
>> >> >In  in
>> >> >alt.revisionism, on Thu, 10 Jan 2002 05:14:55 GMT, tyler
>> >> > wrote:
>> >
>> >[snip]
>> >
>> >> >And I should care why?
>> >
>> >> >> professor tyler
>> >
>
>> Millions like YOU? That's funny. Million do not know what COR is. But
>> don't let the truth waylay you.
>
>True. I'd wager that 9 out of 10 Americans, (or Canadians, for that matter),
>if shown a grocery item, and asked point blank if they knew what the COR
>seal, or the OU or OK or Star-K or Star-D labels on their product meant,
>they would have absolutely no clue.

Waldo I finally have to disagree about something with you. I'd bet
that 9999 out of 10,000 have no idea whawt COR or OU stand for.
Sorry sport but you understated the obvious :) 



>I think the public has a right to know. They PAY for it. And these secretive
>little markings, designed and placed to conveniently blend in with the other
>little marks (Trademark symbols, etc) that you find on every product are
>costing manufacturers - and ultimately consumers HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS, if
>not BILLIONS over and above any advantage they may leverage through
>"increased market share".
>
>> >
>> >> It is the collective that is affected by a religion.
>> >
>> >The collective?  The collective is a collectivist fiction.
>> >
>> >Certainly human beings are social animals and live in societies.
>>
>> Well, animals anyway...
>>
>> >
>> >Perhaps you could explain the bad effects on society of kosher
>> >certification.  So far you haven't.  All you've said is that it is
>> >"wrong."
>>
>> The profits serve a special interest group that is not invovled in
>> actually getting the product to market.
>
>Bingo. Furthermore, the Kosher industry largely works in the dark. If "going
>Kosher" provides such a HUGE marketing advantage, and such massive financial
>gains for the company, why is it necessary for anyone who doesn't have 20-20
>vision (and good lighting) to dig out their reading glasses to find the
>goddamn seal?

Yeah, I had to look for awhile before I found it on the Kelloggs box. 


>
>Have you noticed that the size, color and placement of these seals is
>surprisingly uniform?
>
>Is the sizing / placement of the little Kosher Seal both in labeling and in
>advertising dictated by the Kosher Kabal in the contract? Do the Rabbis of
>the Kosher Kabal realize the importance of remaining discreet?
>
>Why should they care? If, as the Jews and their apologists claim, Kosher
>Certification benefits the companies, and in the end, LOWERS costs for
>consumers, these marks should be proudly and brazenly stamped on each and
>every label. But they're not, they're tiny and hidden, and I pity the poor
>aged Jew with bad eyes who is left to fend for his or her self in the
>supermarket.
>
>"Naomi!!! These green beans aren't Kosher!!! What are you trying to do, kill
>us???"
>
>"Sorry Schlomo, my eyes aren't so good no more."
>
>>
>> >
>> >> The costs are not
>> >> associated with nutrition.
>> >
>> >Your point?
>> >
>> >> >See if you can do it without the assumption that I should share
>> >> >your personal animus against Jews.
>> >
>> >> I have no animus against Jews.
>
>LOL! Stick around! Jews make their enemies the old fashioned way - THEY EARN
>THEM!
>
>> >Oh suuuure.
>>
>> Yeah, I thought so. Another paranoid...
>
>Please understand that Mr. Morris is a bonafide SHILL for all things Jewish.
>In a way, he's worse than McVay, who at least gets PAID for whoring himself
>on the behalf of the "Chosen".
>
>>
>> >
>> >> I have animus against unfair secretive
>> >> costs that are passed on to me.
>> >
>> >These would be the costs which you seem to have no basis for
>> >defining.
>
>What do you want to know, Mr. Morris?
>
>All I need to make my case is that the COST of Kosher outweighs any possible
>benefits. I have shown at the top of this thread that any additional
>"Profits" gained through Kosher Certification in the US is not likely to
>exceed $400 million dollars.
>
>The costs of implementing the DEMANDS placed on industry EASILY dwarf that
>figure, the payoffs to the Kosher Kabal aside!
>
>In the vast majority of cases, When a companies "go Kosher", Gentiles pay,
>and Jews both profit and benefit. Period.
>
>> >>  As I have continually said, and you
>> >> continually ignore for personal reasons,
>> >
>> >Continually?  I've only just started responding to you.  Continuous
>> >with what, pray?
>> >
>> >> if the tax was Catholic I
>> >> would be just as pissed off.
>> >
>> >> What is your personal agenda that you have decided to ignore the
>> >> obvious?
>> >
>> >You are very obvious.  Mostly I find there's no mileage in responding
>> >to idiots like you.
>
>Keep shilling the Jewish line, Mr. Morris.
>
>> >> Well, that's a rhetorical question isn't it? As a typical Canadian
>> >> you just ignore anything at all that is controversial. If you
>> >> cannot
>> >> envision how something can affect you you ignore it. If you cannot
>> >> envision how you can change something you rationalize it. Canadians
>> >> are known throughout the world as wimps and you unfortunately are
>> >> but a common sample of the herd. As such you have nothing of value
>> >> to say, just shut up and pay everybody what they want. But don't
>> >> try and bring me down to your level of stupour.
>> >
>> >
>> >Did you think that you _ad hominem_ rant was going to convince me?
>> >What is it about your anger that is supposed to be so convincing?
>>
>>
>> Anger? I'm not angry at all. Don't be absurd.
>>
>>
>> >
>> >It's not about you and your inability to contain your emotions.  Your
>> >emotions are quite irrelevant, since they do can scarcely have been
>> >caused by your having to pay a whole penny a year for kosher
>> >products.  You are feeling emotions on behalf of a collective which
>> >as an aggregate of individuals couldn't care less about a penny a
>> >year.
>> >
>> >Tell you what.  Since you feel the effects of this gross,
>> >penny-a-year inequity so keenly, why don't you buy non-kosher
>> >products?
>> >
>> >> What makes you uncomfortable is the
>> >> fact that I have decided to actually do something about an
>> >> inequity.
>> >
>> >What inequity?
>> >
>> >> To make yourself feel better you just put if off as racism when it
>> >> is obvious that it is not.
>> >
>> >How is that so obvious?  The myth of the kosher tax is pretty much a
>> >staple of antisemitism.
>
>No. Semitism is the staple of Anti-Semitism.
>
>> >Perhaps you have been fooled by antisemites into adopting this as
>> >your foolish cause.  But that isn't very obvious.
>
>LOL!
>
>> >> Just go back to sleep and ignore all this.
>> >
>> >Oh, gosh, no.  I think you owe me an explanation.  Perhaps you could
>> >explain in calm, unemotional terms why it is an inequity for food
>> >processing companies to want to expand their markets by satisifying a
>> >religious minority's practices with respect to food products.
>>
>> Because a special interest group profits unfairly by the process.
>
>Not only that - they RUN the whole process. You don't see Muslims,
>vegetarians, the lactose intolerant or ignorant "kosher-is-better" Gentiles
>running around food plants, ordering employees about, and declaring batches
>of product as "unfit"  to ensure that the religious superstitions called
>"Kosher standards" are met.
>
>It's a Jewish game. Jews made the rules, Jews set the standards, Jews
>enforce the rules, and Jews benefit directly by creating an industry for
>themselves, and indirectly by having the privilege of eating Kosher from a
>can WITHOUT having to pay through the NOSE.

Well, considering the size of a semitic nose, that is a tidy sum
indeed... :)


>
>Can you imagine the shrieks, the wailing, the gnashing of teeth, the cries
>of "anti-Semitism"  if Jews were forced to pay for their OWN Kosher
>certification?
>
>Waldo
>
>Observer at Large
>
>



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On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:40:53 -0800, Andrew Carol
 wrote:

>In article <3C3E1145.3020105@hotmail.com>, Patrick Gallagher
> wrote:
>
>>   If your assertion that the cost per item was half a cent... then maybe 
>> you'd have a point - however, the major manufacturers that have 
>> commented all stated what it cost them, and that the cost was offset by 
>> increased profits - and you yourself have provided numbers showing how 
>> it increased their profits (over 700 million dollars). The cost of the 
>> certifications is absorbed by the manufacturers, it has no affect on 
>> pricing at all. An item that would be $2.9868564 sells for $2.99 - the 
>> same item with that cost figured in would be $2.9968570, which still 
>> sells for $2.99 - where is the difference to you? In the grand scheme of 
>> things, the companies might be giving up 20-30 million overall in 
>> profits to begin with, but when that nets them an additional 700 
>> million, it's not much of a sacrifice.
>
>Going Kosher could, in some cases, lower prices.  If the added cost per
>item is a fraction of a cent, but sales increase the higher volume may
>allow better economies of scale and distribution.
>
>For most companies, going Kosher is no different than finding a way to
>label a product "heart smart" or "low fat".  It's all marketing.  They
>do it for the selfish reason of raising profits.  That is a good thing.
>
>
>They've done the math and realise that the added revenue would increase
>profits more than the expense of certification would cost them.
>
>For companies which would realise no such benefit Kosher would not even
>be considered.
>
>If being Kosher was costing a company too much it would back out so
>fast your head would spin.  Can anybody ever point to a company being
>"scanctioned" for deciding to no longer claim Kosher certification?
>
>---- Andy

The cost is assumed by the consumer not the company. Just like
advertising and packaging. You pay for it all dimwit.


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On Fri, 11 Jan 2002 05:29:04 +0000 (UTC), kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org
(Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:

>In article <83rs3uc5m9pgrtsbhddgqm07ukjdc3i12f@4ax.com>,
>Tyler Durden  is asked to explain how
>kosher certification is "imposed" upon someone or some firm:
>
>[...]
>
>"Explain the "imposed" part.
>
>"They literally force an unwilling company to become Kosher?  How do
>they manage this?  Guns?  Lawsuits?  Black magic?"
>
>>It's easy. The holocaust has given carte blanche to any jewish group
>>that wants to terrorize anyone that opposes their interests. If a
>>company was unwilling to allow inspection I'm sure it would be
>>labelled as anti-semitic. In this politically absurd world that is the
>>kiss of death.
>
>In other words, Mr. Durden cannot explain the "imposed" part, and
>resorts instead to changing the subject. Perhaps in the realization
>that his Dog and Pony Show won't be sufficient, he once again makes a
>claim he can't support, that "any Jewish group" can "terrorize anyone
>that opposes their interests."
>
>Does Mr. Durden provide any supporting evidence of this "terror?"
>
>Of course not. Mr. Durden does not believe in evidence, particularly
>where Jews are concerned.
>
>>You should read Norman Finkelstein's work on the holocaust industry
>>for deeper understanding of the political currents that affect your
>>life. (Thank god Finkelstein  is a Jew and son of concentration camp
>>survivors otherwise he would never have been taken seriously because
>>of the hysteria around this topic)
>
>I'm please Mr. Durden offers Dr. Finkelstein as a reliable source for
>information about the Holocaust, since Dr. Finkelstein does not deny
>the event, but we feel compelled to point out that it has absolutely
>nothing to do with the question Mr. Durden is squirming so hard to
>avoid:
>
>"Explain the "imposed" part.
>
>"They literally force an unwilling company to become Kosher?  How do
>they manage this?  Guns?  Lawsuits?  Black magic?"
>
>To which one must now add:
>
>Explain the "terrorize" part.
>
>They literally terrorize an unwilling company to become Kosher? How do
>they manage this? Guns? Lawsuits? Black magic?
>
>Well, Mr. Durden?

Just like with IBM, the jewish organizations would scream
anti-semitism. All IBM did was provide Germany with counting machines
when there were no embargos against trade with Germany over 50 years
ago. Yet today jewish groups have heavily denounced IBM as trading
with Nazis in effort to blackmail IBM into giving money to them. 

IBM is larger than other companies and can stand the storm. Smaller
companies read about IBM and understand what jewish organizations can
do to their reputations. None of the accusations are true, but that is
no longer important in this day of propoganda.

If you call this kind of black mail and extortion black magic then so
be it.  

Mr. Finklestein has a book on the Holocaust Industry and you should
read it.

tyler



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Did You Know? KELLOGG'S Cereal!

Look at your kellog's cereal box. Part of the cost of every box of
cereal being sold under the kellog's label goes to an orthodox
rabbinical organization.  Somewhere on the box is the COR abbreviation
followed by numbers. 

COR stands for the Council of Orthodox Rabbis and they get a cut of
whatever Kelloggs gets from you.

Don't like it? Think it's unfair. Don't buy Kelloggs.

tyler


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On Fri, 11 Jan 2002 01:46:07 -0500, "incognito" 
wrote:

>Well said Ken except I disagree on the torture issue.
>
>I can't help but not feel sympathy for the terrorist being tortured by
>Israel if in fact Israel is only torturing these terrorists or torturing in
>order to save many lives by extracting important information not torture for
>monetary gain, but the saving of many lives, I don't see what's wrong.
>
>But I'm very glad that the Christian world is finally starting to see what a
>fraud that Arafat (may he burn in hell) is.

so if torture is ok what is next? genocide?

HA


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On Fri, 11 Jan 2002 01:38:29 -0500, Steven Mock 
wrote:

>This is funny.  I can just see "tyler" digging through his entire pantry
>right now.
>

Hmm, not quite. But go ahead and be amused, nothing on TV?

>tyler wrote:
>
>> Did You Know? KELLOGG'S Cereal!
>> 
>> Look at your kellog's cereal box. Part of the cost of every box of
>> cereal being sold under the kellog's label goes to an orthodox
>> rabbinical organization.  Somewhere on the box is the COR abbreviation
>> followed by numbers.
>> 
>> COR stands for the Council of Orthodox Rabbis and they get a cut of
>> whatever Kelloggs gets from you.
>
>No, it doesn't mean that at all.
>
>What it means is that the product conforms to all Jewish dietary laws,
>and that the company hired to Council of Orthodox Rabbis to confirm and
>certify that this was so.
>
>> Don't like it? Think it's unfair. Don't buy Kelloggs.
>
>While you're at it, here are some other companies you shouldn't buy
>from: Alberto-Culver, American Home Foods, Armour Foods, Best Foods
>Baking, Borden Foods, Chock Full O’ Nuts, Coca Cola, Colgate Palmolive,
>Dannon, Dow Chemicals, Drake Bakeries, Durkee, Elite, Empire Kosher,
>Entenmann’s, General Mills, Green Giant, Haagen Dazs, Hershey’s, Hiram
>Walker, Slim Fast, J.M. Smucker, Kraft, Land O’ Lakes, Lever Bros.,
>Manischewitz, McCormick & Co., Nabisco, Nestle’s, Nutrasweet, Pepperidge
>Farm, Pillsbury, Proctor & Gamble, Sara Lee Bakery, Starkist, Thomas J.
>Lipton Tea Co., Van Camp Seafood, Welch, White Rock, 3M Corp
>
>All of them apparently too stupid to make their own decisions as to what
>is in the best interests of their business.  Good thing they've got you
>and Waldo to straighten them out.
>
>Happy shopping.
>
>Steven Mock



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On Fri, 11 Jan 2002 06:37:18 +0000 (UTC), kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org
(Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:

>In article <3ovs3u08j4r8ob208pf1ts7vs88iuacrje@4ax.com>,
>tyler   wrote:
>>On Fri, 11 Jan 2002 05:29:04 +0000 (UTC), kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org
>>(Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:
>>
>>>In article <83rs3uc5m9pgrtsbhddgqm07ukjdc3i12f@4ax.com>,
>>>Tyler Durden  is asked to explain how
>>>kosher certification is "imposed" upon someone or some firm:
>>>
>>>[...]
>>>
>>>"Explain the "imposed" part.
>>>
>>>"They literally force an unwilling company to become Kosher?  How do
>>>they manage this?  Guns?  Lawsuits?  Black magic?"
>>>
>>>>It's easy. The holocaust has given carte blanche to any jewish group
>>>>that wants to terrorize anyone that opposes their interests. If a
>>>>company was unwilling to allow inspection I'm sure it would be
>>>>labelled as anti-semitic. In this politically absurd world that is the
>>>>kiss of death.
>>>
>>>In other words, Mr. Durden cannot explain the "imposed" part, and
>>>resorts instead to changing the subject. Perhaps in the realization
>>>that his Dog and Pony Show won't be sufficient, he once again makes a
>>>claim he can't support, that "any Jewish group" can "terrorize anyone
>>>that opposes their interests."
>>>
>>>Does Mr. Durden provide any supporting evidence of this "terror?"
>>>
>>>Of course not. Mr. Durden does not believe in evidence, particularly
>>>where Jews are concerned.
>>>
>>>>You should read Norman Finkelstein's work on the holocaust industry
>>>>for deeper understanding of the political currents that affect your
>>>>life. (Thank god Finkelstein  is a Jew and son of concentration camp
>>>>survivors otherwise he would never have been taken seriously because
>>>>of the hysteria around this topic)
>>>
>>>I'm please Mr. Durden offers Dr. Finkelstein as a reliable source for
>>>information about the Holocaust, since Dr. Finkelstein does not deny
>>>the event, but we feel compelled to point out that it has absolutely
>>>nothing to do with the question Mr. Durden is squirming so hard to
>>>avoid:
>>>
>>>"Explain the "imposed" part.
>>>
>>>"They literally force an unwilling company to become Kosher?  How do
>>>they manage this?  Guns?  Lawsuits?  Black magic?"
>>>
>>>To which one must now add:
>>>
>>>Explain the "terrorize" part.
>>>
>>>They literally terrorize an unwilling company to become Kosher? How do
>>>they manage this? Guns? Lawsuits? Black magic?
>>>
>>>Well, Mr. Durden?
>>
>>Just like with IBM, the jewish organizations would scream
>>anti-semitism. All IBM did was provide Germany with counting machines
>>when there were no embargos against trade with Germany over 50 years
>>ago. Yet today jewish groups have heavily denounced IBM as trading
>>with Nazis in effort to blackmail IBM into giving money to them. 
>
>Thank you for conceding that you cannot name a single company that had
>kosher certification "imposed" upon them, Mr. Durden, and thanks as
>well for admitting that you can't name a single company that was
>"terrorized" into certifying a product.
>
>Are you related to the Knolls?

The fact that the kosher tax is secret is enough for any sane person.


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On Fri, 11 Jan 2002 02:22:23 -0500, Steven Mock 
wrote:

>No.  You've just treated us to your inane, self-serving speculations.
>
>Steven Mock

Stop Mocking everybody!



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On Fri, 11 Jan 2002 02:17:35 -0500, Steven Mock 
wrote:

>tyler wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 11 Jan 2002 06:37:18 +0000 (UTC), kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org
>> (Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:
>> 
>> >Thank you for conceding that you cannot name a single company that had
>> >kosher certification "imposed" upon them, Mr. Durden, and thanks as
>> >well for admitting that you can't name a single company that was
>> >"terrorized" into certifying a product.
>> >
>> >Are you related to the Knolls?
>> 
>> The fact that the kosher tax is secret is enough for any sane person.
>
>Translation: the fact that I have no evidence is proof that I'm right.
>
>Steven Mock

The evidence is on my cereal box and on the many links I have
supplied.

U  and McVay, the zionist, offer no proof yourself. 

What PROOF do you have that it doesn't cost the consumer anything?

This will be good, particularly since the rabbis themselves have
admitted that profit is made.


tyler



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On Fri, 11 Jan 2002 01:22:09 -0600, "Mr. Frederick"
 wrote:

>Yes, the cost of 1 flake per box!  Whoopee ding dong shit!  Yup, it's a
>major conspiracy, all right!
>
>tyler  wrote in message
>news:jm0t3ugdp9scgjogpd773a2blt74ph0p7i@4ax.com...
>> Did You Know? KELLOGG'S Cereal!
>>
>> Look at your kellog's cereal box. Part of the cost of every box of
>> cereal being sold under the kellog's label goes to an orthodox
>> rabbinical organization.  Somewhere on the box is the COR abbreviation
>> followed by numbers.
>>
>> COR stands for the Council of Orthodox Rabbis and they get a cut of
>> whatever Kelloggs gets from you.
>>
>> Don't like it? Think it's unfair. Don't buy Kelloggs.
>>
>> tyler
>

small minds think alike. and ur right, you are a flake...

tyler


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Gee, I wonder why. Maybe because Israel launches missiles into
Palestinian homes and offices with impunity? 


On Wed, 09 Jan 2002 23:02:30 -0600, Geoff Casey
 wrote:

>WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Israelis have
>                                              presented what the Bush
>                                              administration believes is
>"compelling
>                                              evidence" that Yasser
>Arafat knew
>                                              about a shipment of
>weapons
>                                              intercepted by Israel, a
>senior State
>                                              Department official told
>CNN.
>
>                                              "We now know enough to say
>that there
>                                              were actions that occurred
>that we can
>                                              only assume Arafat had
>knowledge of,
>                                              could have been involved
>with," the
>                                              official said.
>
>                                              The official said that "it
>was clear there
>                                              were senior figures in the
>Palestinian
>                                              Authority and Fatah were
>involved."
>
>                 The Israeli government has accused the Palestinian
>Authority of being behind the 50
>                 tons of arms being shipped, which included Katyusha
>rockets, rifles, mortar shells,
>                 mines and a variety of anti-tank missiles.
>
>                 The arms were found on board a ship captured last
>                 Thursday in the Red Sea about 300 miles south of
>                 the Israeli port of Eilat.
>
>                 The Palestinian Authority has denied any
>                 involvement in the arms shipment, saying Israel is
>                 trying to use the incident to thwart efforts by U.S.
>envoy Anthony Zinni to broker a
>                 cease-fire between Israel and Palestinians.
>
>                 The captain of the ship, who was arrested by Israel,
>told reporters Monday that,
>                 though he worked for the Palestinian Authority and that
>the shipment was to be
>                 delivered to Palestinians, he did not believe any
>Palestinian Authority leaders were
>                 aware of his mission.
>
>                 The State Department official's comments followed a
>series of high-level briefings
>                 between senior Israeli intelligence officials and
>members of the Bush administration
>                 in Washington Wednesday.
>
>                 "We have had extensive briefings from the Israelis, and
>at the moment there is quite
>                 a bit of compelling evidence that figures Fatah and the
>Palestinian Authority were
>                 involved in this shipment, and it is clear that
>Chairman Arafat has a responsibility at
>                 this point to provide an immediate and clear
>explanation," the official said.
>
>                 "We have concluded that part of these transactions and
>shipments were of such
>                 magnitude that we have to conclude that Arafat would
>have known," he said.
>
>                 When asked what impact this might have on U.S. attempts
>to mediate a cease-fire
>                 and jump start long-stalled peace talks, the official
>refused to answer directly.
>
>                 Instead, he called on Arafat to "establish the facts"
>and "take action to prevent arms
>                 smuggling and escalation of violence."
>
>                 "You need to take actions not only against groups on
>the outside" but within the
>                 Palestinian leadership, the official said.
>
>                 "We do see a reduction of violence on the ground, but
>you can't allow the potential
>                 for escalation of violence to occur."
>
>                 An Israeli cabinet minister said on Tuesday that the
>3,000 pounds of plastic
>                 explosives and Katyusha rockets in the shipment would
>have imperiled every city in
>                 Israel.
>
>                 The Katyusha is a ground-to-ground missile previously
>use by Hezbollah fighters
>                 for cross-border attacks on targets in northern Israel.
>It has a much greater range
>                 and destructive capacity than the weapons most commonly
>used by Palestinian
>                 fighters.
>
>                 Meanwhile, the lull in violence in the Middle East was
>shattered Wednesday when
>                 two Palestinian gunmen cut through a security fence at
>an Israeli army post and
>                 opened fire, killing four Israelis before being slain
>themselves, the army said. The
>                 Islamic group Hamas claimed responsibility for the
>attack.
>
>                 Following the attack, Palestinian sources said Israeli
>tanks and bulldozers entered
>                 the town of Rafah in southern Gaza and destroyed two
>homes. Earlier, Israeli tanks
>                 and jeeps occupied a Palestinian military base in the
>town, Palestinian sources said.
>                 A spokesman for the Israel Defense Forces had no
>comment.
>
>
>This is from CNN for Wednesday, January 9, 2002
>
>My comment is that the U.S. official seems to think that Arafat is not
>really directly involved because he seems to imply
>that a few naughty Palestinians are doing things behind his back.   It
>perhaps is too difficult to believe that Arafat is not
>the man of peace that world leaders and new media like to think he is
>(and of course he likes to think the same too).
>If Arafat had direct knowledge of this shipment which would have been a
>major threat to all the towns of Israel it's time
>to do something about Arafat, not just say he needs to stop such
>behaviour.   I mean what do we usually do with a criminal that
>has a cache of armaments to destroy a city (or rather I should say, what
>should we do if our judicial system worked properly).
>Surely we don't just say, "Well, don't do this again"
>
>Regards,
>
>Geoff



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Here is how the scheme works. An Orthodox Rabbi warns a company that
unless their product is certified as Kosher they will face a boycott
by every Jew in America. Once the company agrees, it must keep the
amount paid a strict secret! 

In 1960, 225 food products paid the Kosher tax, 476 in 1966, 1000 in
1974, and today 17,500 companies are paying this multi-level tax.
Listed below are National Kosher Agencies and their symbols - you
might want to give them a call to see what they say. Regional listings
and their symbols will follow soon. 

TaDAAAA


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10 Steps to Kosher Certification
1 CONTACTING THE OK
Your company contacts the OK Labs by phone (718-756-7500 ext. 209),
fax (718-756-7503), e-mail (info@ok.org) via the supplied link, or in
person (e.g., at a trade show). Rabbi Chaim Fogelman, our Rabbinic
Coordinator specializing in guiding new applicants through the kosher
certification process, will answer your preliminary questions. He will
be your guide throughout the application procedure. Please note: The
OK Labs has designed the most sophisticated computer system in the
kosher certification industry to facilitate your kosher certification.

2 THE APPLICATION
The application is the first active step toward certification. Upon
your request, a user-friendly application will be sent to you. The
application, designed to accelerate the certification process, asks
you to provide a list of ingredients (raw materials), product
components and production processes.

Please note: The OK Labs will maintain all information concerning your
company in the strictest confidence.

Click below to download the appropriate application forms for kosher
certification. Application forms are in Adobe Acrobat format and you
would need Acrobat Reader to view them. [ click here to download
Acrobat Reader if you do not have it ]. Once you have downloaded the
form, please print and complete your details and return it to our
office for immediate attention.


click here for USA application form for kosher certification [103kb]
click here for International application form for kosher certification
[114kb]
3 APPLICATION SUBMITTED
Return the application along with the required processing fee. This
fee covers some of the pre-certification costs we incur. When the
certification process has been successfully completed, we will deduct
the application fee from your first year’s certification cost.

4 APPLICATION REVIEWED
Upon our receipt of your application and fee, a Rabbinic Coordinator
who is an expert in your field of production will be assigned to
oversee all matters that relate to your company. He will review the
application and contact you with any questions he may have. He will
also set a mutually convenient appointment to visit your manufacturing
facility(ies) for an on-site physical inspection. At this time, the
Rabbinic Coordinator will provide you with a non-binding estimate of
the fees involved in providing kosher certification to you.

5 THE INITIAL VISIT
An initial, thorough inspection of the entire manufacturing
facility(ies) will be performed by the Rabbinic Coordinator. This
inspection gives us a comprehensive understanding of the unique nature
of your facility(ies), so that your certification can proceed in a
streamlined fashion. At this initial visit, the rabbi will detail the
procedures that you will need to follow to receive and maintain kosher
supervision.

6 RESOLVING FINAL DETAILS
Having finished his inspection, the Rabbinic Coordinator will issue a
report to our headquarters. At this time, your annual fee will be set.
It is determined on the basis of numerous factors, including the
nature of your facility(ies), its location, and the amount of work
required on our part. If any matters remain outstanding, we will work
with you to resolve them.

7 REGULAR MONITORING
Part of our agreement with you involves monitoring your facility(ies).
The OK has 300 field representatives around the world. One of these
experts located in your area will be assigned to visit your
facility(ies) on a regular basis. We make every effort to arrange
these visits in the most economical way possible. In addition, one of
our home office Rabbinic Coordinators will make an annual inspection
of your facility(ies).

8 THE CONTRACT
A contract is now drawn detailing the agreement between the OK Labs
and your company. The contract is sent to you for your review and your
signed approval.

9 KOSHER CERTIFICATION BEGINS
Upon return of the signed contract along with the fee for your first
year of supervision, we will issue a Kosher Certificate to you. The
certificate details which of your products or facilities are under OK
certification, and grants you the right to display our registered OK
symbol on the certified products.

10 CONGRATULATIONS
Congratulations! You are now certified kosher by the OK Labs, the most
respected kosher supervision agency in the world. Your company’s name
is now listed in the widely read Kosher Food Guide section of the The
Jewish Homemaker, the international magazine of the OK Laboratories.


Send mail to webmaster@ok.org with questions 

*************************************************************************************
The costs are hinted at in this application. These costs are spread to
the consumer. Gentiles pay for kosher certification plain and simple.

tyler



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Orthodox Rabbinical Organizations: Economic Vampires?

COR stands for Council of Orthodox Jews. The rabbis, religious
leaders, certify foods as kosher. Foods such as Heinz Ketchup and
Windsor Salt, Kellogs Corn Flakes and non foods such as aluminum foil
and bleach, have COR certification. Look at the label, if you see COR
followed by a number then the manufacturer pays rabbis to inspect
food, facilities and preparation methods. If they conform to religious
law then the product is certified as kosher.  It has nothing to do
with food nutrition! Our government paid inspectors do that!

There are many other symbols. Every major product in your home has
been kosher certifified. The other frequent symbol is a capital U in a
circle. Refer to the following site for more info

http://www.kosherquest.org/html/Reliable_Kosher_Symbols.htm

The costs of certification of a religious group is borne by Catholics,
Protestants and other gentiles that purchase these products. The
certification process itself has become a source of income and profit
for a minority religious organization. It is a multi-million dollar
industry that is paid for by the consumer. The Rabbis have admitted
this, refer to the site listed above, their own site, which admits
certification is done for profit. Well that's certainly an incentive! 

It is economic vampirism. The many pay for the few.

Fortunately human beings have the capacity for thought and reasoning.
That includes inductive logic.  The 'proof' in the pervasiveness of
this religious minority group's infiltration and economic vampirism is
in the fact that every major brand is kosher certified regardless of
the necessity of its certification. Tin foil? Comet cleanser? Javex
bleach? Yes, all certified. For a religion? Yes, it's all about
profit.
 
The proof of economic  vampirism is in the fact that the kosher
certification process is an industry in itself. A casual search for
'kosher certification' brings up an unbelievable amount of agencies
each charging a company inspection fees that pay for thousands of
inspectors, databases, computers and so on.. 

Further proof is in the fact that instead of offerring kosher
inspection for free, as should be since it is a religious practice, a
religion is charging companies for the certification. It is only for
their benefit yet they in fact charge every consumer.

The proof is in the fact that the companies are passing the charges
for a religious certification process to the majority of their
customers, which are Catholic and Protestant in North America.

The proof is in the fact, self admitted by rabbinical organizations,
that profit is being made off of food inspection. This is tantamount
to an admission of theft since profit should not be made from
inspection that has been requested for religoius reasons. Religion is
not about profit, or at least that's what is believed...

The proof is in the fact that each kosher certification organization
has hundreds of inspectorsthat the non-jew is paying for. In addition
manufacturers have to pay extra for equipment and methods of food
preparation. The costs are not trivial and the process is set out in
the  many websites about kosher certification. The cost of food
preparation is so high that even Jewish houswives have rioted about
the price of kosher meats.

As hinted by Benjamin Franklin, this action is that of economic
vampirism. The tax on foods for kosher certification by  orthodox
jewish rabbis has created a source of income from unkowing gentiles.
It is an act of economic vampirism on society as it does not benefit
general society in any way.

It is rather simple logic that can be used to reach the conclusion
that this is unfair. No other proof is required for any reasonable
person. And it hurts your pocketbook. In these times of layoffs do you
think you should support a religion that you don't belong to?

What can you do? Talk to your religious leaders to find out how they
feel about religion for profit. Talk to your political leaders to find
out how they feel about religion for profit. Talk to consumer
organizations, particularly those protecting the poor. Ask why the
many  millions spent each year for a non-nutrional religious based
certification should be paid for by the poor and hungry.

Do rabbinical organizations use the economic clout of their followers
and the label of anti-semitism against any company that won't comply
with the certification process? Good question. I think everyone knows
the answer to this one!

Well, certification has been going full blast since the 1950's to the
point today where there is not one product or company that doesn't pay
this extortion fee. Even cleansers are certified. Trucks carrying your
milk are certified. The full scope is almost beyond belief. Just go to
your supermarket and look at the aisles and aisles of products, each
certified. Multiply that by a fee that rabbinical organinzations
charege on volume and you get an idea of the underserved and unearned
millions that they get. What a bonanza! 

A religious minority profits for no effort and no tangible benefit for
society. I call that vampirism. What do you call it?

tyler


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On Fri, 11 Jan 2002 07:50:29 -0500, Joel Rubin 
wrote:

>It should be noted that at least some Kosher certifications bring in
>Moslem shoppers as well. For example, many cookies and other products
>made with fat are made with lard (I've used little balls of lard to
>hide doggie medication.) and a Moslem who sees a Jewish certification
>knows that the product is pork free.
>
>I don't know if any semi-observant Jews use Hallal certification in
>the same way.

I thought the orthodox can eat pork now. wasn't that a big deal last
year?



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On Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:47:52 GMT, Patrick Gallagher
 wrote:

>tyler wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:40:53 -0800, Andrew Carol
>> wrote:
>>
>>>In article <3C3E1145.3020105@hotmail.com>, Patrick Gallagher
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>  If your assertion that the cost per item was half a cent... then maybe 
>>>>you'd have a point - however, the major manufacturers that have 
>>>>commented all stated what it cost them, and that the cost was offset by 
>>>>increased profits - and you yourself have provided numbers showing how 
>>>>it increased their profits (over 700 million dollars). The cost of the 
>>>>certifications is absorbed by the manufacturers, it has no affect on 
>>>>pricing at all. An item that would be $2.9868564 sells for $2.99 - the 
>>>>same item with that cost figured in would be $2.9968570, which still 
>>>>sells for $2.99 - where is the difference to you? In the grand scheme of 
>>>>things, the companies might be giving up 20-30 million overall in 
>>>>profits to begin with, but when that nets them an additional 700 
>>>>million, it's not much of a sacrifice.
>>>>
>>>Going Kosher could, in some cases, lower prices.  If the added cost per
>>>item is a fraction of a cent, but sales increase the higher volume may
>>>allow better economies of scale and distribution.
>>>
>>>For most companies, going Kosher is no different than finding a way to
>>>label a product "heart smart" or "low fat".  It's all marketing.  They
>>>do it for the selfish reason of raising profits.  That is a good thing.
>>>
>>>
>>>They've done the math and realise that the added revenue would increase
>>>profits more than the expense of certification would cost them.
>>>
>>>For companies which would realise no such benefit Kosher would not even
>>>be considered.