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This little disagreement between Harold "Winston Smith" Covington and
Marc Lemire was posted publicly to several mailing lists.

Mr. Covington is the head of the National Socialist White Peoples' Party.
Mr. Lemire is associated with Ernst Zundel and Ingrid Rimland, notably
in a technical capacity.


Subject:     FINALLY! MYSTERY SOLVED!
Sent:        1/5/97 2:01 PM
Received:    1/5/97 2:44 PM
From:        NSWPP-CSU, nswpp@earthlink.net
To:          mlemire@interlog.com

Dear Mr. Lemire:

        FINALLY! Mystery solved! At last you have given me the information
necessary to stop your receiving NSNet Bulletins! I found one df.org address
on our list and I have removed it. Your precious mailbox should not be
befouled any more with nasty old National Socialism.

        Let us recap. This is an absolutely classic example of how Movement
imbroglios start, and it is highly instructive. You began complaining last
November, I believe it was, that you were receiving politically incorrect
e-mail from us. I accordingly removed you from the list. You bitched at me
again, saying you were still receiving our stuff. I checked the list again
to make sure that you were not on it, nor were you on our list, anywhere.
From that day to this, your e-mail address has never graced our growing
listserv. I e-mailed you back and stated that "either our material is being
forwarded or YOU ARE LINKED TO ANOTHER E-MAIL ADDRESS." (My emphasis).

        Had you then told me, "Oh, yeah, I have my own server, so please
remove anything with a df.org suffix" there would have been no problemo.

        Instead you responded with a series of obscene and hysterical
e-mails, threatening me, cursing me, and babbling personal smears and
slanders at me. At that point I simply wrote you off as one of the Usual
Suspects and assumed that, like all my slanderers, you were either making it
up out of some ulterior motive or else you were simply insane. What had
happened was that you were responding, as so many Movement people do, with
PERSONAL PIQUE as opposed to political instinct. The skins of Movement
people are as thin as tissue paper; to Movement people anything which
remotely resembles criticism or disagreement is personal betrayal, treachery
of the blackest hue, proof postive that anyone who offers a criticism or
presumes to disagree is (of course!) a SECRET AGENT OF THE ENEMY who is
being paid vast, huge sums to SPREAD DISUNITY IN THE RIGHT WING (or
Revisionist movement or Klan or whatever). 

        I mean, it's obvious, isn't it? Since Fearless Leader (and of course
ourselves by extension) are absolutely perfect and Marked By Destiny For
Great Things, then obviously anyone who might say otherwise is AN AGENT OF
THE ENEMY yes! and a horrible traitor who must be destroyed at all costs,
never mind such paltry considerations as truth, fairness, or the good of the
cause.

        Okay, yours is a minor example, but it's the same principle in
action. I informed you of a simple fact---you were not and are not on our
list---and I got two months of shrieking hysterics, profanity, threats, and
raving complaints to Earthlink. Had you approached me just ONCE with reason
and calm, and said, "Mr. Smith, there's a problem here. I am still receiving
your material," and had you provided the information that anything with
df.org on it came to you (I asked you about other e-mail links repeatedly
but got no other answer than four-letter words) then I would have done what
was necessary to solve the problem. 

        Everything that followed was the result of your reaction to my
telling you, in perfect good faith, that you were not on our list and I
could not understand how you were getting our material. You did not respond
with reason or comradeship: instead you screeched like a castrated
chimpanzee and launched a series of complaints to Earthlink and vile
personal attacks on me. Now, two months later, you finally get around to
providing me with the information necessary to solve the problem.

        These computer thingies are powerful tools of communication, Marc,
but I've noticed they are like guns. They give someone a feeling of power
and inflated self-esteem, the ability to engage in conduct and vicious
verbal abuse at long distance that you would never dare to do to somebody's
face. (Ask Little Willie, a prime practitioner of the art.) 

        You are a very talented writer. Please take this as a lesson and
don't let the thrill of being in cyberspace get to your head. I've been in
"this thing of ours" for 24 years now; listen to the voice of experience. Do
not be ashamed to admit that you are young and you still have much to learn.

                                                                88!
                                                                Winston Smith








     "This destiny does not tire, nor can it be broken, and its mantle of
strength descends upon those in its service." - Francis Parker Yockey, IMPERIUM

Further info: http://www.nswpp.org










Subject:     Re: FINALLY! MYSTERY SOLVED!
Sent:        1/7/97 12:22 AM
Received:    1/7/97 12:26 AM
From:        Marc Lemire, mlemire@interlog.com
To:          NSWPP-CSU, nswpp@earthlink.net

First off, I find it quite strange that you sent this private message to me
to everyone you forced on your nswpp list.

But since you want to publicize this to everyone, i'll send this through the
C2.org and Eskimo list servers.


>Dear Mr. Lemire:
>
>        FINALLY! Mystery solved! At last you have given me the information
>necessary to stop your receiving NSNet Bulletins! I found one df.org address
>on our list and I have removed it. Your precious mailbox should not be
>befouled any more with nasty old National Socialism.

Don't treat me like an idiot.

Your ideas are not the reason I requested you to stop sending me messages,
the price it costs me to receive them are the reason.

If you asked me first before just sending me messages, I would have spoken
to the rest of the Digital Freedom team and we might have worked out
something, but instead you just tried to shove your information down our
throats.



>        Let us recap. This is an absolutely classic example of how Movement
>imbroglios start, and it is highly instructive. You began complaining last
>November, I believe it was, that you were receiving politically incorrect
>e-mail from us. I accordingly removed you from the list. You bitched at me
>again, saying you were still receiving our stuff. I checked the list again
>to make sure that you were not on it, nor were you on our list, anywhere.
>From that day to this, your e-mail address has never graced our growing
>listserv. I e-mailed you back and stated that "either our material is being
>forwarded or YOU ARE LINKED TO ANOTHER E-MAIL ADDRESS." (My emphasis).

In my original message back in November, I told you EXACTLY what addresses
to remove.  And you did not remove them.

I also NEVER complained about the content of your messages.  You are simply
lieing here.

Why on earth would I complain about the content of your message???


>        Instead you responded with a series of obscene and hysterical
>e-mails, threatening me, cursing me, and babbling personal smears and
>slanders at me. At that point I simply wrote you off as one of the Usual

I see why you are soooo liked on the Internet.

So far in this message, you have lied on 3 different occasion. 

I have NEVER wrote obscene, threatening, babbling or cursing messages to you.

All my messages were professional and asking you to remove me from your
list, which YOU never did.


However your messages back to me WERE crazy, claiming things like "You are a
secret agent", "You work for Nizkor", "Someone else is sending you the
messages.. not me! [probibly the Jews to make you hate me]", "You are doing
this with ulterior motives..."

Now who sounds hysterical?


>Suspects and assumed that, like all my slanderers, you were either making it
>up out of some ulterior motive or else you were simply insane. What had
>happened was that you were responding, as so many Movement people do, with
>PERSONAL PIQUE as opposed to political instinct. The skins of Movement
>people are as thin as tissue paper; to Movement people anything which
>remotely resembles criticism or disagreement is personal betrayal, treachery
>of the blackest hue, proof postive that anyone who offers a criticism or
>presumes to disagree is (of course!) a SECRET AGENT OF THE ENEMY who is
>being paid vast, huge sums to SPREAD DISUNITY IN THE RIGHT WING (or
>Revisionist movement or Klan or whatever). 

You have completly lost me here.  What the hell are you talking about...
"secret agents"?


>        I mean, it's obvious, isn't it? Since Fearless Leader (and of course
>ourselves by extension) are absolutely perfect and Marked By Destiny For
>Great Things, then obviously anyone who might say otherwise is AN AGENT OF
>THE ENEMY yes! and a horrible traitor who must be destroyed at all costs,
>never mind such paltry considerations as truth, fairness, or the good of the
>cause.

??????  Who is the one "Babbling"?


>        Okay, yours is a minor example, but it's the same principle in
>action. I informed you of a simple fact---you were not and are not on our
>list---and I got two months of shrieking hysterics, profanity, threats, and
>raving complaints to Earthlink. Had you approached me just ONCE with reason

Again repeat the lie of me threatning you, profanity, threats.

Let me remind you, that a lie repeated 6 million time does not make it truth
my simple repetition.

Stop LIEING.


>could not understand how you were getting our material. You did not respond
>with reason or comradeship: instead you screeched like a castrated
>chimpanzee and launched a series of complaints to Earthlink and vile
>personal attacks on me. Now, two months later, you finally get around to
>providing me with the information necessary to solve the problem.

COMRADESHIP?

Why should I have any comradeship with you?  You have in this message alone
you have lied about me and on the verge of calling me a agent of "Nizkor"

You are nothing more than a shit disturber, trying to harrass and condem any
person you personally do not like.

I have no time to listen to your constant lies and character assasination.


>        These computer thingies are powerful tools of communication, Marc,
>but I've noticed they are like guns. They give someone a feeling of power
>and inflated self-esteem, the ability to engage in conduct and vicious
>verbal abuse at long distance that you would never dare to do to somebody's
>face. (Ask Little Willie, a prime practitioner of the art.) 

Funny that is exactly what many people have said about you.



>        You are a very talented writer. Please take this as a lesson and
>don't let the thrill of being in cyberspace get to your head. I've been in
>"this thing of ours" for 24 years now; listen to the voice of experience. Do
>not be ashamed to admit that you are young and you still have much to learn.

You may have been in this for '24 year' but over the '24 years' you have
made nothing but enemies.

Boy arn't you special.



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Subject:     Marc Lemire's Attack on NSWPP
Sent:        1/7/97 1:22 AM
Received:    1/7/97 1:39 AM
From:        NSWPP-CSU, nswpp@earthlink.net
To:          nswpp@earthlink.net

To Whom It May Concern:

        The recent statements made by Marc Lemire in his public attack on
myself and the National Socialist White People's Party are false in their
entirety, and Mr. Lemire is fully aware that they are false. The account
which I have given of the matter is completely correct and entirely factual.
I am right. Mr. Lemire is wrong. It is that simple.

        I am becoming extremely weary of being subjected to this kind of
vicious attack, and I will comment no further on this particular incident. I
am becoming even more completely indifferent to what these people think of
me or whether or not I am believed than I was before this latest onslaught.
As Agent Mulder says, "The truth is out there." I will continue to seek out
and publicize that truth. Those who don't like it can get stuffed.

                                                        -Winston Smith





     "This destiny does not tire, nor can it be broken, and its mantle of
strength descends upon those in its service." - Francis Parker Yockey, IMPERIUM

Further info: http://www.nswpp.org




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