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From: bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Sylvie Charbonneau)
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PKolding (pkolding@cts.com) writes:
> kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) wrote:
> 
> Is that the book that describes Kinsella, on its cover, as "formerly a
> special assistant to Jean Chretien, [and] now Executive Assistant to a
> cabinet minister in the Federal Government"? I would suggest that the
> views of such a person could hardly be put forward as "evidence" in
> any matter.

It is also the book that makes so many errors throughout, that most
reviewers condemned it as a shoddy piece of propaganda.  Most panned it so
badly, that it took about two weeks for it to go to the Canadiana section
of the bookstores, removed from the bestseller section.

In fact, one reporter (who is very well informed) wrote in a review that
 he counted 19 errors in one chapter.  Pretty lousy research.

Kinsella is also the brave anti-racist warrior who thinks that flying
frisbees are actually bombs sent to get him.  About a year ago, he called
the Ottawa Police Bomb Squad, screaming that there was a bomb in his
backyard.  It turned out that some kids that were playing in the park
adjacent to his backyard had accidentally flown it over his fence.  Oops! 
Red faces all around...

Sylvie Charbonneau




From bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun May  5 12:53:10 PDT 1996
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From: bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Sylvie Charbonneau)
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.revisionism,alt.skinheads,can.politics
Subject: Re: Les Griswold: Leader of the National Appliance in Canada
Date: 5 May 1996 13:14:40 GMT
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Ken McVay OBC (kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca) writes:
> In article <4mas4s$c2s@news.nyu.edu>, 
> 
> I wouldn't dream of getting the Griswold fired. I want him to
> get the recognition he so richly deserves, and have taken
> steps to initiate that recognition by mentioning his name
> to Members of Parliament concerned with human rights issues,
> and to members of the Fifth Estate across Canada. It is, after
> all, the least I can do for the pathetic little fellow. 

MPs like "Loose Lips" Sheila Copps, Jean "Acts of God" Chretien, and Paul "I'm
really sorry, we didn't really lie" Martin?  Gawd, I'm quaking in my boots
already...

> I want Canadians to see his manly little physique on CPAC, our
> Parliamentary television channel. I want them to see this
> dark-haired, frail little "Aryan superman" in all his glory, 
> spouting incessant inanities for anyone who will listen, his
> words of wisdom simultaneously translated into French.

Actually, no translation would be necessary, since both Les and I are
fluently bilingual.  And besides, CPAC is the channel that everybody flips
by to get to the movie networks.  Nobody in their right mind watches that
drivel for long.  

(snip)

> that! Our Noble Aryan Hero, that Leader Among Men, the head of
> the National Appliance in Canada, Grand Fuehrer and Lord
> Grease, Lester Griswold himself, risen on the strength of his
> wisdom and vision to the lofty position of security guard!

Last time I checked, security guards were higher on the totem pole than
were gas station attendants...
 
> As anyone who watched CPAC last Tuesday will tell you, Mr.
> Griswold's name is even now resounding in the Centre Block of
> Parliament, and I have only begun my quest to help him achieve
> Fame and Recognition in Canada.

Yeah.  All 3 of the CPAC viewers probably enjoyed it while channel surfing
for Much Music.
 
You're like the boy who cried "wolf!".  People are getting bored of the
racism schtick.  You should look into another line of work, cause the
funding isn't gonna last long.  Maybe you can be promoted to car wash
attendant next time....

Sylvie Charbonneau



From bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun May  5 12:53:11 PDT 1996
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From: bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Sylvie Charbonneau)
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Subject: Re: Les Griswold: Leader
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Rajiv K. Gandhi (anaki@pinc.com) writes:
> In article <318B38EC.4A99@ix.netcom.com>, Kevin Alfred Strom
>  wrote:
> 
>> No one can read that without detecting the smirking threat behind the 
>> unctuous words. We all know that, in Canada, expressing opinions can 
>> sometimes land you in court if not in jail if those opinions are 
>> displeasing to Jews. 
> 
> This of course, is a bold faced lie. Expressing opinions will most
> certainly not land a person in jail.

How about when the Metzgers were thrown in jail in Canada, even though
they hadn't done anything wrong?  How about Ernst Zundel?

 I think you are an idiot, but I'm not
> going to jail for it. Promoting hatred against someone else may cause you
> some legal troubles, but again, you are not going to jail for it, unless
> of course, as part of your hate mongering you also took steps to live your
> inbred white supremist fantasies.

How has Ernst or David Irving ever done anything to "live" their
"fantasies"?  Irving cannot visit this country because of his views, even
though he hasn't committed any crime.

Sylvie Charbonneau



From bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun May  5 14:37:07 PDT 1996
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From: bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Sylvie Charbonneau)
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Ken McVay OBC (kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca) writes:
> In article <4mas4s$c2s@news.nyu.edu>, 
> 
> I wouldn't dream of getting the Griswold fired. I want him to
> get the recognition he so richly deserves, and have taken
> steps to initiate that recognition by mentioning his name
> to Members of Parliament concerned with human rights issues,
> and to members of the Fifth Estate across Canada. It is, after
> all, the least I can do for the pathetic little fellow. 

MPs like "Loose Lips" Sheila Copps, Jean "Acts of God" Chretien, and Paul "I'm
really sorry, we didn't really lie" Martin?  Gawd, I'm quaking in my boots
already...

> I want Canadians to see his manly little physique on CPAC, our
> Parliamentary television channel. I want them to see this
> dark-haired, frail little "Aryan superman" in all his glory, 
> spouting incessant inanities for anyone who will listen, his
> words of wisdom simultaneously translated into French.

Actually, no translation would be necessary, since both Les and I are
fluently bilingual.  And besides, CPAC is the channel that everybody flips
by to get to the movie networks.  Nobody in their right mind watches that
drivel for long.  

(snip)

> that! Our Noble Aryan Hero, that Leader Among Men, the head of
> the National Appliance in Canada, Grand Fuehrer and Lord
> Grease, Lester Griswold himself, risen on the strength of his
> wisdom and vision to the lofty position of security guard!

Last time I checked, security guards were higher on the totem pole than
were gas station attendants...
 
> As anyone who watched CPAC last Tuesday will tell you, Mr.
> Griswold's name is even now resounding in the Centre Block of
> Parliament, and I have only begun my quest to help him achieve
> Fame and Recognition in Canada.

Yeah.  All 3 of the CPAC viewers probably enjoyed it while channel surfing
for Much Music.
 
You're like the boy who cried "wolf!".  People are getting bored of the
racism schtick.  You should look into another line of work, cause the
funding isn't gonna last long.  Maybe you can be promoted to car wash
attendant next time....

Sylvie Charbonneau



From bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun May  5 14:37:08 PDT 1996
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From: bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Sylvie Charbonneau)
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Rajiv K. Gandhi (anaki@pinc.com) writes:
> In article <318B38EC.4A99@ix.netcom.com>, Kevin Alfred Strom
>  wrote:
> 
>> No one can read that without detecting the smirking threat behind the 
>> unctuous words. We all know that, in Canada, expressing opinions can 
>> sometimes land you in court if not in jail if those opinions are 
>> displeasing to Jews. 
> 
> This of course, is a bold faced lie. Expressing opinions will most
> certainly not land a person in jail.

How about when the Metzgers were thrown in jail in Canada, even though
they hadn't done anything wrong?  How about Ernst Zundel?

 I think you are an idiot, but I'm not
> going to jail for it. Promoting hatred against someone else may cause you
> some legal troubles, but again, you are not going to jail for it, unless
> of course, as part of your hate mongering you also took steps to live your
> inbred white supremist fantasies.

How has Ernst or David Irving ever done anything to "live" their
"fantasies"?  Irving cannot visit this country because of his views, even
though he hasn't committed any crime.

Sylvie Charbonneau



From bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun May  5 23:09:03 PDT 1996
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From: bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Sylvie Charbonneau)
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Subject: Re: Les Griswold: Canadian Hero, CPAC Star!
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Ken McVay OBC (kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca) writes:
> In article <4mia9s$sgr@freenet-news.carleton.ca>, 
> bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Sylvie Charbonneau) wrote:
> 
>>How about when the Metzgers were thrown in jail in Canada, even though
>>they hadn't done anything wrong?  How about Ernst Zundel?
> 
> Sorry, Ms. Charbonneau. That is the wrong answer, but please
> do play again!
> 
> The Metzgers, cowards both, violated a section of Canada's
> immigration act, and were accordingly deported.
>
I defy you to call them craven to their faces.  Fun, fun, fun...

> See URL http://www.almanac.bc.ca/hweb/orgs/canadian/sirc/heritage-front/hf-ix-metzger-maguire.html for the Security Intelligence Review
> Committee's discussion of this particular matter. That the
> Canadian government has the good sense to bar two men linked
> to murder in the United States bothers Canadians not at all,
> other than Ms. Charbonneau and her friends, of course.

Linked by only the flimsiest of pretenses, though.  From what I've read,
neither of the Metzgers even knew the youths involved.

> Ernst Zundel is, Canadians hope, about to receive a special
> gift from the Canadian government: An absolutely free, one-way
> trip to Germany. Isn't that wonderful? Ingrid can send us
> PrisonGrams!
> 
>>How has Ernst or David Irving ever done anything to "live" their
>>"fantasies"?  Irving cannot visit this country because of his views, even
>>though he hasn't committed any crime.
> 
> David Irving is a liar.
> 
> Let's review: David Irving is a liar.
> and...
> David Irving lies under _oath_.
> 
> David Irving is, therefore, a proven, unmittigated, repeat
> offender. He has lied before British judges while under oath.
> He has lied to Canadian Immigration officials, under oath,
> and these lies have been recognized by Australian courts,
> which rejected Irving's contentions primarily because, (are we
> ready, Ms. Charbonneau?) HE IS A LIAR. 

Perhaps.  But so are many of the "eyewitnesses" from the Nazi
concentration camps.  I don't see you calling them liars.  In fact, you
bend over backwards trying to please your jewish masters, blindly ignoring
evidence inconsistencies.
> 
> Have a nice day, Ms. Charbonneau.

Actually, I did.   Puttered around in my garden.  Had a great time. 
Whereas you probably couldn't tell me what the weather was like in your
corner of the world.

Hey Kenny, don't you get piles from sitting at a computer 16+ hours a day?

Sylvie Charbonneau

"We come from the land of the ice and snow
Where the midnight sun and the hot springs blow
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands
To fight the hordes, singing and crying,
'Valhalla, I am coming....'"
		
		Led Zeppelin, "The Immigrant Song"



From bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu May  9 07:12:12 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Les Griswold: Canadian Hero, CPAC Star!
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Mike Curtis (mike@aimetering.com) writes:
> bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Sylvie Charbonneau) wrote:
> 
>>> In article <4mia9s$sgr@freenet-news.carleton.ca>, 
>>> bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Sylvie Charbonneau) wrote:
>>> 
>>> The Metzgers, cowards both, violated a section of Canada's
>>> immigration act, and were accordingly deported.
>>>
>>I defy you to call them craven to their faces.  Fun, fun, fun...
> 
> Where is the word "craven" anywhere in Ken's reply? I'm confused. What
> I see are: sorry, [your name], that, is, the, wrong, answer, [comma],
> but, please, do, play, again, [!], The,  Metzgers, cowards,  both,
> violated, a, section, of, Canada's,  immigration, act, and, were,
> accordingly, deported, [period]. I still don't see "craven " in there,
> do you?

>From  "The New Merriam-Webster Dictionary", page 184

Craven: \kra-vin\ adj: cowardly - craven - n coward
 
See, having paid attention in high school english class did pay off.  Try it
sometime.  You might learn about something called "synonyms".

>>From what I've read,
>>neither of the Metzgers even knew the youths involved.
> 
> And what have you been reading?

Lots of things.  Where do you get your reporting, the National Enquirer?
>>> 
>>>>How has Ernst or David Irving ever done anything to "live" their
>>>>"fantasies"?  Irving cannot visit this country because of his views, even
>>>>though he hasn't committed any crime.
>>> 
>>> David Irving is a liar.
>>> 
>>> Let's review: David Irving is a liar.
>>> and...
>>> David Irving lies under _oath_.
>>> 
>>> David Irving is, therefore, a proven, unmittigated, repeat
>>> offender. He has lied before British judges while under oath.
>>> He has lied to Canadian Immigration officials, under oath,
>>> and these lies have been recognized by Australian courts,
>>> which rejected Irving's contentions primarily because, (are we
>>> ready, Ms. Charbonneau?) HE IS A LIAR. 
> 
>>Perhaps.  But so are many of the "eyewitnesses" from the Nazi
>>concentration camps. 
> 
> Really? Which ones are you favorite?

The ones that said they entered the gas chambers minutes after the jews
were gassed, with lit cigarettes in their mouths.  Also, the ones who
claim they saw dozens of bodies completely cremated in 15 minutes.
 
>> I don't see you calling them liars.  In fact, you
>>bend over backwards trying to please your jewish masters, blindly ignoring
>>evidence inconsistencies.
> 
> Evidence of this please. I won't hold my breath. 

Try reading Wilhelm Staeglich's "Auschwitz: A Judge Looks At The
Evidence".  You might learn something.

>>Hey Kenny, don't you get piles from sitting at a computer 16+ hours a day?
> 
> And this piece of intelligence comes from(1) where and (2)to what
> reason and (3) this has to do with the holocaust in what way?

1) Maclean's
2) To have fun
3) Not everything has to revolve around the "Holocaust"

Sylvie Charbonneau



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Ken McVay, Overrated Bingo Caller (kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca)
writes: > In article <318B38EC.4A99@ix.netcom.com>, 
> Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote:
> 
>>Do "Members of Parliament concerned with human rights issues" primarily 
>>function as providers of "bully pulpits" or as makers of laws? And even 
>>when there is a "bully pulpit" function, is it ever entirely divorced 
>>from the law-making function?
> 
> The Standing Committee on Human Rights and the Status of
> Persons With Disabilities is holding hearings to determine the
> impact of information technology on those areas falling within
> their mandate. 

They have no mandate to censor the net.

> One of those areas is hate speech and regulation of the
> Internet, and it was to address that issue that I recently
> appeared before the Committee. I am not remotely concerned
> with what Mr. Strom thinks Canadian parliamentary committees
> do or do not do - they can be observed daily on CPAC.

By all 3 of the regular viewers.  

> It is my belief that Mr. Griswold, being the National Alliance
> representative in Ottawa, should have the opportunity to speak
> his mind. If he is granted such an opportunity, and refuses to
> avail himself, that will tell us all we really need to know
> about where he stands, not only on his own propaganda, but on
> the issue of free speech and internet regulation.

It doesn't matter what Les would say.  Our elected representatives are
just like so many sheep.  They will do exactly what Ti-Jean tells
them to do, and he will do exactly what Eddie Goldenberg, Ian Kagedan and
Bernie Farber ORDER him to do.  It's the Canadian way, doncha know...

> If Mr. Strom can produce evidence that this, or any other,
> committee is a "bully pulpit," I trust he will do so, or
> demonstrate that he is simply blowing hot air.
> 
>>No one can read that without detecting the smirking threat behind the 
>>unctuous words. We all know that, in Canada, expressing opinions can 
>>sometimes land you in court if not in jail if those opinions are 
>>displeasing to Jews. It can also cause you to end up on the receiving end 
>>of a bomb or brick if the Red Guard anti-racists are informed of your 
>>physical location. "Bully pulpit" indeed. It is nothing less than 
>>intimidation.
> 
> Mr. Griswold's address is listed in the telephone book, I'm
> told, so it is unlikely he'll grasp at that particular excuse.

Umm, isn't that hearsay?  Why don't you check it out for yourself, or are
you too busy to get your cyber-butt out of your computer chair?
 
> As to Mr. Griswold being jailed for displeasing the Jews, I
> might point out that he has defamed Jews, blacks, Hispanics,
> Asiatics and nearly everyone else since late 1994, and he has
> been neither charged nor even questioned by Canadian
> authorities.

Most of whom couldn't operate a computer to save their hides.

 I should also point out that this is in spite of
> the clear fact that the Canadian Human Rights Commission has
> absolute legal jurisdiction in his case, and could certainly
> attempt to address his words if it so chose. It has not done
> so, nor, in my belief, will it do so in the future.

Actually, the CHRC used to call the NA answering service quite often to
listen to the message.  I found it pretty funny... maybe somebody there
agrees with our views...

> I would also state, without reservation, that if the Canadian
> Human Rights Commission _did_ apply its legal right to accept
> a complaint and proceed with it that I would oppose it,
> privately and publically.

I somehow doubt that.  

> It is _precisely_ this issue that the Standing Committee must
> address, and _precisely_ this issue that Mr. Griswold should
> address. How, one must ask, will the MP's (most of whom are
> not internet-literate) comprehend the nature of hateful speech
> on the net if they do not read it? How better than bringing a
> local and vocal advocate of hate before them?

Ken, Ken, Ken...

If people don't want to read "hate speech" on the net, all they have to do
is point and click somewhere else.  It's not like we go into areas like
alt.support.breastfeeding, alt.sailing or alt.cooking.recipies shouting
"nigger" and "jew".  We generally tend to congregate in areas designed for
discourse about race, and we tend to stay there.

Your complaints about hate on the net are about as valid as someone saying
they are offended by Playboy centerfolds.  If they don't want to see naked
bodies, they shouldn't go to the highest shelves and open the cover of the
magazine. 

> So much for Mr. Strom's hot air.

We're getting a lot of hot air, but it seems to be coming from B.C.

Sylvie Charbonneau



From bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri May 10 07:26:18 PDT 1996
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From: bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Sylvie Charbonneau)
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Subject: Re: The Pissed McGoyVay.. Round 3
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Ken McVay OBC (kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca) writes:
> In article <4mg69t$pht@freenet-news.carleton.ca>, bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Sylvie Charbonneau) wrote:
> 
>>It is also the book that makes so many errors throughout, that most
>>reviewers condemned it as a shoddy piece of propaganda.  Most panned it so
>>badly, that it took about two weeks for it to go to the Canadiana section
>>of the bookstores, removed from the bestseller section.
> 
>>In fact, one reporter (who is very well informed) wrote in a review that
>> he counted 19 errors in one chapter.  Pretty lousy research.
> 
> Since Mr. Lockhart maintains that his being identified as a
> Klan member is an error, one wonders why he has not asked Mr.
> Kinsella to back up his assertion where it counts - in a civil
> court. I certainly would, were I tarred with that brush.

You see, that's where pissant little cowards like you and people like us
differ.  You back up your words with the threats of lawsuits and the
"power" of the courts.  We tend not to care what idiots like you write
about us.  A real man doesn't depend on the weak and palsied hand of a
judge to defend his manhood.

Sylvie Charbonneau
  


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Ken McVay OBC (kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca) writes:
> In article <4mg69t$pht@freenet-news.carleton.ca>, bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Sylvie Charbonneau) wrote:
> 
>>It is also the book that makes so many errors throughout, that most
>>reviewers condemned it as a shoddy piece of propaganda.  Most panned it so
>>badly, that it took about two weeks for it to go to the Canadiana section
>>of the bookstores, removed from the bestseller section.
> 
>>In fact, one reporter (who is very well informed) wrote in a review that
>> he counted 19 errors in one chapter.  Pretty lousy research.
> 
> Since Mr. Lockhart maintains that his being identified as a
> Klan member is an error, one wonders why he has not asked Mr.
> Kinsella to back up his assertion where it counts - in a civil
> court. I certainly would, were I tarred with that brush.

You see, that's where pissant little cowards like you and people like us
differ.  You back up your words with the threats of lawsuits and the
"power" of the courts.  We tend not to care what idiots like you write
about us.  A real man doesn't depend on the weak and palsied hand of a
judge to defend his manhood.

Sylvie Charbonneau
  


From bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat May 11 14:26:15 PDT 1996
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Gord McFee (gmcfee@ibm.net) writes:
> In article <4mibef$srp@freenet-news.carleton.ca>, bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
>> (Sylvie Charbonneau) said:
> 
>>They have no mandate to censor the net.
> 
> Don't bet your buttons, Sylvie.  Better read up on the powers of the
> Parliament of Canada.

Funny, I don't recall internet censorship as being in Ti-Jean's famous
Little Red Book.  Perhaps this was another "act of God"?
 
>>By all 3 of the regular viewers.  
> 
> Don't bet your buttons, Sylvie.  It can be seen and taped and propagated. 
> Was picked up by the newspapers, remember (page 3)?

Page 3?  The Sunshine Girl?
 
>>It doesn't matter what Les would say.  Our elected representatives are
>>just like so many sheep.  They will do exactly what Ti-Jean tells them to
>>do, and he will do exactly what Eddie Goldenberg, Ian Kagedan and Bernie
>>Farber ORDER him to do.  It's the Canadian way, doncha know...
> 
> All the more reason for that champion of truth and justice to get before
> that Committee and set them straight.

Speaking to a brick wall would be more effective.  These tools don't dare
disobey Ti-Jean, Eddie, Bernie et al.

Sylvie Charbonneau



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Ken McVay OBC (kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca) writes:
> In article <4n2ev5$hg9@freenet-news.carleton.ca>, 
> bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Sylvie Charbonneau) wrote:
> 
> (Sylvie Charbonneau said that Canada's Parliament has "...no mandate 
> to censor the net," to which Gordon McFee replied: "Don't bet your 
> buttons, Sylvie.  Better read up on the powers of the Parliament of 
> Canada.")
> 
>>Funny, I don't recall internet censorship as being in Ti-Jean's famous
>>Little Red Book.  Perhaps this was another "act of God"?
> 
> Ms. Charbonneau thus attempts to deflect the discussion to
> avoid a concession: That Canada's Parliament does indeed
> possess both the power and authority to impose regulation upon
> the Internet, wether we like it, or want it, or not.

"Power and authority", maybe.  Bit I believe that when push comes to
shove, if the community raises enough of a stink, Parliament would back down.
 
> Ms. Charbonneau illustrates her total lack of interest in, and
> knowledge of, CPAC impact, by saying it has "three viewers."
> Mr. McFee responds by saying: "Don't bet your buttons, Sylvie.  
> It can be seen and taped and propagated. Was picked up by the 
> newspapers, remember (page 3)?"
> 
> Ms. Charbonneau concedes ignorance: "Page 3?  The Sunshine Girl?"

How many people can tell us what the acronym CPAC stands for?  What is
CPAC's numbers in the BBM blue book?  How many ordinary Canucks actually
watch that taxpayer-funded snoozefest?  Not many, I'd wager...

> Mr. McFee suggests that Mr. Griswold, that "... champion of truth 
> and justice," appear before the Standing Committee on Human
> Rights and the Status of Persons With Disabilities and "...set them 
> straight."
> 
> Ms. Charbonneau, to the surprise of no-one, illustrates the
> contempt of Nazis for the Parliamentary process, and thus lays
> the groundwork for Mr. Griswold's refusal to testify before
> Parliament:
> 
> "Speaking to a brick wall would be more effective.  These tools 
> don't dare disobey Ti-Jean, Eddie, Bernie et al."
> 
> A recap: Ms. Charbonneau has no idea of the potential impact
> of CPAC-televised hearings, and nothing but contempt for the
> Canadian legal process.

A legal process that lets murderers off with a slap on the wrist?  A legal
process that lets a drunk undercover cop who kills a cyclist while driving
impaired off because a blood sample wasn't taken immediately?  A justice
system more concerned with long vacations, short work hours and a fat
paycheque?  You bet I have nothing but contempt.

> Why are we not surprised?

Because I have always made my views clear.

> Concerned Canadians should write to the Chairman of the
> Standing Committee on Human Rights and the Status of Persons
> with Disabilities, the Honourable Sheila Finstone, MP, and
> urge her to invite Mr. Griswold to appear before her
> committee.

Horses will sprout horns and oxen will climb trees before I set foot
before that self-serving bunch of lying bureaucrats.


--
Sylvie Charbonneau



From bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon May 13 20:36:08 PDT 1996
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From: bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Sylvie Charbonneau)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Liberian boat people.  Coming soon to a country near you
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I heard on the radio news today that thousands of Liberian refugees
crammed onto a ferry boat (could have been a trawler) were being rejected
time and again from many African countries.  It seems this particular boat
had been turned away from Ghana, Sierra Leone and one other country I
think was Sudan.  The refugees have been allowed to refuel, and were given
food and water before being forced out to sea.

Most of these refugees are infected with dysentery, malaria, and pneumonia.

How long do you think it's going to take before Canada and the U.S. are
forced to accept these disease ridden refugees?  My guess is we won't make
it to the end of May before we get our first planeload of "new citizens".  

My question is this: if African nations refuse to let their brethren into
their countries, why the hell should we accept them?


--
Sylvie Charbonneau




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