The Nizkor Project: Remembering the Holocaust (Shoah)

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I think it would be a good idea.  I'm all for it!

Sylvie Charbonneau



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From: bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Sylvie Charbonneau)
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I picked up some stamps at the post office today.  Imagine my surprise
when the clerk handed me some "Holocaust" memorial stamps.  I was even
more surprised to learn that the "Holocaust" happened in the years
1933-1945.  This was what was printed on the stamp, along with about a
dozen jewish faces and a yellow star with the word "jude".  Now, I thought
that the official line about the holocaust was that it started after the
Wannsee conference (and its now infamous protocol) in 1942.  If so, how
can the holocaust have started 9 years earlier?  Did I miss something, or
was it just too difficult for them to keep track of all their lies....

Sylvie Charbonneau


Call the National Alliance answering service.
 	Main office:	(304) 653-4600
	California:	(818) 725-3430
  	Florida:	(407) 275-6815
	Illinois:	(708) 818-4045
	Maryland:	(410) 813-4105
	Mississippi:	(601) 373-6290
	Nevada:		(702) 434-1994
	New Jersey:	(201) 697-1011
	New York:	(212) 388-2655
	North Carolina:	(919) 742-2438
	Ohio:		(216) 846-1045
	Ottawa:		(613) 834-7960
	Virginia:	(703) 715-6050  or (804) 673-7350
		
or check out the Web page at: http://www.natvan.com




From bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Jan 25 12:39:53 PST 1996
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From: bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Sylvie Charbonneau)
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I picked up some stamps at the post office today.  Imagine my surprise
when the clerk handed me some "Holocaust" memorial stamps.  I was even
more surprised to learn that the "Holocaust" happened in the years
1933-1945.  This was what was printed on the stamp, along with about a
dozen jewish faces and a yellow star with the word "jude".  Now, I thought
that the official line about the holocaust was that it started after the
Wannsee conference (and its now infamous protocol) in 1942.  If so, how
can the holocaust have started 9 years earlier?  Did I miss something, or
was it just too difficult for them to keep track of all their lies....

Sylvie Charbonneau


Call the National Alliance answering service.
 	Main office:	(304) 653-4600
	California:	(818) 725-3430
  	Florida:	(407) 275-6815
	Illinois:	(708) 818-4045
	Maryland:	(410) 813-4105
	Mississippi:	(601) 373-6290
	Nevada:		(702) 434-1994
	New Jersey:	(201) 697-1011
	New York:	(212) 388-2655
	North Carolina:	(919) 742-2438
	Ohio:		(216) 846-1045
	Ottawa:		(613) 834-7960
	Virginia:	(703) 715-6050  or (804) 673-7350
		
or check out the Web page at: http://www.natvan.com




From bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Jan 25 14:22:53 PST 1996
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From: bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Sylvie Charbonneau)
Subject: Holocaust stamp from Canada Post
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I picked up some stamps at the post office today.  Imagine my surprise
when the clerk handed me some "Holocaust" memorial stamps.  I was even
more surprised to learn that the "Holocaust" happened in the years
1933-1945.  This was what was printed on the stamp, along with about a
dozen jewish faces and a yellow star with the word "jude".  Now, I thought
that the official line about the holocaust was that it started after the
Wannsee conference (and its now infamous protocol) in 1942.  If so, how
can the holocaust have started 9 years earlier?  Did I miss something, or
was it just too difficult for them to keep track of all their lies....

Sylvie Charbonneau


Call the National Alliance answering service.
 	Main office:	(304) 653-4600
	California:	(818) 725-3430
  	Florida:	(407) 275-6815
	Illinois:	(708) 818-4045
	Maryland:	(410) 813-4105
	Mississippi:	(601) 373-6290
	Nevada:		(702) 434-1994
	New Jersey:	(201) 697-1011
	New York:	(212) 388-2655
	North Carolina:	(919) 742-2438
	Ohio:		(216) 846-1045
	Ottawa:		(613) 834-7960
	Virginia:	(703) 715-6050  or (804) 673-7350
		
or check out the Web page at: http://www.natvan.com




From bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Jan 25 14:31:12 PST 1996
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From: bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Sylvie Charbonneau)
Subject: Holocaust stamp from Canada Post
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I picked up some stamps at the post office today.  Imagine my surprise
when the clerk handed me some "Holocaust" memorial stamps.  I was even
more surprised to learn that the "Holocaust" happened in the years
1933-1945.  This was what was printed on the stamp, along with about a
dozen jewish faces and a yellow star with the word "jude".  Now, I thought
that the official line about the holocaust was that it started after the
Wannsee conference (and its now infamous protocol) in 1942.  If so, how
can the holocaust have started 9 years earlier?  Did I miss something, or
was it just too difficult for them to keep track of all their lies....

Sylvie Charbonneau


Call the National Alliance answering service.
 	Main office:	(304) 653-4600
	California:	(818) 725-3430
  	Florida:	(407) 275-6815
	Illinois:	(708) 818-4045
	Maryland:	(410) 813-4105
	Mississippi:	(601) 373-6290
	Nevada:		(702) 434-1994
	New Jersey:	(201) 697-1011
	New York:	(212) 388-2655
	North Carolina:	(919) 742-2438
	Ohio:		(216) 846-1045
	Ottawa:		(613) 834-7960
	Virginia:	(703) 715-6050  or (804) 673-7350
		
or check out the Web page at: http://www.natvan.com




From bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Jan 26 15:21:09 PST 1996
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From: bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Sylvie Charbonneau)
Subject: Re: Holocaust stamp from Canada Post
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 (ncrccjc@ibm.net) writes:
>> bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Sylvie Charbonneau) wrote:
>> 
>> >I picked up some stamps at the post office today.  Imagine my surprise
>> >when the clerk handed me some "Holocaust" memorial stamps.
> 
> ncrccjc responds:
> 
> I think we owe Ms. Griswold er sorry, I mean Charbonneau, a thank you for 
> bringing this stamp to the attention of Canadians on this NG. I, for one, will 
> ensure that I use the stamp and will pass on the info to many many more. 
> Thanks again Le...Sylvie (Sorry for the inadvertant slip of the finger).

That's been tried before, by much better people than you.  But on another
note...

Tell me, does ncrccjc stand for:
	National Capital Region of Canada Canadian Jewish Congress

Does it?  Does it?  I bet it does...

Sylvie Charbonneau
 


Call the National Alliance answering service.
 	Main office:	(304) 653-4600
	California:	(818) 725-3430
  	Florida:	(407) 275-6815
	Illinois:	(708) 818-4045
	Maryland:	(410) 813-4105
	Mississippi:	(601) 373-6290
	Nevada:		(702) 434-1994
	New Jersey:	(201) 697-1011
	New York:	(212) 388-2655
	North Carolina:	(919) 742-2438
	Ohio:		(216) 846-1045
	Ottawa:		(613) 834-7960
	Virginia:	(703) 715-6050  or (804) 673-7350
		
or check out the Web page at: http://www.natvan.com




From bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Jan 26 15:21:10 PST 1996
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From: bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Sylvie Charbonneau)
Subject: Re: Holocaust stamp from Canada Post
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Daniel Keren (dkeren@world.std.com) writes:
> Sylvie Charbonneau  wrote:
> 
> # If so, how can the holocaust have started 9 years earlier?  Did I 
> # miss something,
> 
> Of course - you've missed something that an average ten-year-old
> would not have missed.
> 
> No one claims that Nazi mass murder of persecuted minorities
> began in 1933. However, that was the year in which the Nazis
> took power and began an intense propaganda campaign which,
> eventually, made that mass murder possible. This is sort
> of like saying that the Gulf War began when Iraq invaded Kuwait,
> although the actual battle between the US and Iraq began later.

Iraq invaded Kuwait in August.  The U.S. was making noise that they would
declare war pretty much from the word go.  They hemmed and hawed and
declared war on January 15th.  That is a difference of about 4 1/2 months.
 I'm talking about 9 YEARS!!!!  Can you see the difference?  

The Gulf War was pretty much just an excuse for Bush to look tough.  He
was coming up on an election year.

But the "holocaust" supposedly happened 50 years ago.  Yet we keep hearing
about it on an almost daily basis.  How often do you hear about the 30-50
million people that Stalin murdered over a thirty year period?  How often
do you hear about the 1 1/2 million Armenians compared to the jews?  How
often are the Hutus and Tutsis mentionned, even though that only happened
last year?  Cambodians?  Tibetans?  China?  Shall I keep going?

Sylvie Charbonneau




From bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Jan 26 15:23:47 PST 1996
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From: bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Sylvie Charbonneau)
Subject: Re: Holocaust stamp from Canada Post
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 (ncrccjc@ibm.net) writes:
>> bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Sylvie Charbonneau) wrote:
>> 
>> >I picked up some stamps at the post office today.  Imagine my surprise
>> >when the clerk handed me some "Holocaust" memorial stamps.
> 
> ncrccjc responds:
> 
> I think we owe Ms. Griswold er sorry, I mean Charbonneau, a thank you for 
> bringing this stamp to the attention of Canadians on this NG. I, for one, will 
> ensure that I use the stamp and will pass on the info to many many more. 
> Thanks again Le...Sylvie (Sorry for the inadvertant slip of the finger).

That's been tried before, by much better people than you.  But on another
note...

Tell me, does ncrccjc stand for:
	National Capital Region of Canada Canadian Jewish Congress

Does it?  Does it?  I bet it does...

Sylvie Charbonneau
 


Call the National Alliance answering service.
 	Main office:	(304) 653-4600
	California:	(818) 725-3430
  	Florida:	(407) 275-6815
	Illinois:	(708) 818-4045
	Maryland:	(410) 813-4105
	Mississippi:	(601) 373-6290
	Nevada:		(702) 434-1994
	New Jersey:	(201) 697-1011
	New York:	(212) 388-2655
	North Carolina:	(919) 742-2438
	Ohio:		(216) 846-1045
	Ottawa:		(613) 834-7960
	Virginia:	(703) 715-6050  or (804) 673-7350
		
or check out the Web page at: http://www.natvan.com




From bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Jan 26 15:23:48 PST 1996
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Subject: Re: Holocaust stamp from Canada Post
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Daniel Keren (dkeren@world.std.com) writes:
> Sylvie Charbonneau  wrote:
> 
> # If so, how can the holocaust have started 9 years earlier?  Did I 
> # miss something,
> 
> Of course - you've missed something that an average ten-year-old
> would not have missed.
> 
> No one claims that Nazi mass murder of persecuted minorities
> began in 1933. However, that was the year in which the Nazis
> took power and began an intense propaganda campaign which,
> eventually, made that mass murder possible. This is sort
> of like saying that the Gulf War began when Iraq invaded Kuwait,
> although the actual battle between the US and Iraq began later.

Iraq invaded Kuwait in August.  The U.S. was making noise that they would
declare war pretty much from the word go.  They hemmed and hawed and
declared war on January 15th.  That is a difference of about 4 1/2 months.
 I'm talking about 9 YEARS!!!!  Can you see the difference?  

The Gulf War was pretty much just an excuse for Bush to look tough.  He
was coming up on an election year.

But the "holocaust" supposedly happened 50 years ago.  Yet we keep hearing
about it on an almost daily basis.  How often do you hear about the 30-50
million people that Stalin murdered over a thirty year period?  How often
do you hear about the 1 1/2 million Armenians compared to the jews?  How
often are the Hutus and Tutsis mentionned, even though that only happened
last year?  Cambodians?  Tibetans?  China?  Shall I keep going?

Sylvie Charbonneau




From bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Jan 27 21:28:39 PST 1996
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From: bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Sylvie Charbonneau)
Subject: Re: Holocaust stamp from Canada Post
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Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) writes:
> bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Sylvie Charbonneau) wrote:
> 
>>So now just having Hitler come to power in Germany in 1933 marks the
>>official beginning of the Holocaust.  I get it.  Herren, start your
>>engines, the official Holocaust may now begin... 
> 
> Well, you see, with the benefit of hindsight (for those who look, at
> least), it is apparent that Hitler's rise to power began the chain
> of events that led to the Holocaust.  You know, those innocuous things
> like the laws that deprived all Jews of their livelihood, land, basic 
> rights of citizenship and, ultimately, the right to live.   

Why don't we just back the official date of the "holocaust" back to the
days when the National Socialist party was formed?  How about when "Mein
Kampf" was written (1925?)?  What the hell, let's back up the date to the
year Hitler was born.

You don't get it, do you?  Jews have been expelled out of EVERY
civilization they have ever been in contact with, except for the Americas.
 Why do you think that is?  Do you think every nation on earth is
anti-semetic for no reason at all?  Can you think of any other group that
has been purged from the population as regularly as jews?

>>The whole point of this stamp is to try to teach history to the peons in
>>Canada.  If they can squeeze a few more years of Holocaust-mania, a few
>>more tears of sympathy from the goyim, and a HUGE amount of shekels from
>>the governmnet for anti-semitism and sensitivity training, then their
>>campaign will have been successful.
> 
> If a postage stamp can succeed in bringing an atrocious and appalling
> episode in history into the consciousness of Canadians (which I doubt),
> I'm all for it.

I think the only reason this stamp was commissioned was because of that
poll that states that 20% of people doubt the "holocaust"(tm) happened,
and another 30% doubt every claim.  We can't have that, now can we?  So
the poll was "corrected".  Now, this is just a crude attempt to inflict
this piece of historical chicanery on young people to brainwash them.

  Because it would mean that antisemitic hatemongerers
> are unlikely to succeed in propagandising people into believing that
> all of Canada's problems are attributable to Jews.

Not all. Just a large chunk of them.
 
(snip)
 
> With apologies to the memory of real dinosaurs -
> 
> No, dinosaurs look under their beds for ZOG conspiracists, interpret
> things like commemorative postage stamps as "evidence" of a Jewish
> conspiracy, and think that everyone who speaks out against their
> antisemitic hatemongering is either a Jew or a Jew-dupe.  Dinosaurs
> wilfully distort and twist history to their own political ends,
> diminishing and ridiculing the horror perpetuated on people by the
> Nazis for no more reason than that they were Jews, homosexuals,
> Poles, Gypsies, or a member of some other "undesirable group". 

Jews are notorious for firing up a population against its leaders.  That
makes them undesirable, especially in wartime.  Homosexuals are just
undesirable.  Communists were also imprisonned, since they were vehement
in opposing the LAWFULLY elected NS government.  Gypsies are thieves. 
Criminally insane people were also sent to concentration camps.  So, you
see, Hitler wasn't "picking" on the jews.  He was simply seperating the
undesirables from the main population.

 They then
> have the temerity to express dismay when people who lost family
> members and loved ones, or who are just plain repulsed by this
> despicable era in European history speak out against them.

Do you realize that more than just jews died in WW2?  You seem to be
somewhat familiar with the subject.  Tell me, how many U.S. soldiers died
in WW2?  How many Canadian?  How many German, both civilian and military? 
How many Soviets? etc...  I could keep going for a while, but you get my
drift.

Most schoolchildren today can rattle off like good little shabbos goy that
"6 million" jews died in the "holocaust".  But only about 1 in 100 can
name how many Canadian soldiers died.  Don't you see a problem here?

Sylvie Charbonneau




From bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Jan 27 21:35:05 PST 1996
Article: 12487 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Sylvie Charbonneau)
Subject: Re: Holocaust stamp from Canada Post
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Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) writes:
> bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Sylvie Charbonneau) wrote:
> 
>>So now just having Hitler come to power in Germany in 1933 marks the
>>official beginning of the Holocaust.  I get it.  Herren, start your
>>engines, the official Holocaust may now begin... 
> 
> Well, you see, with the benefit of hindsight (for those who look, at
> least), it is apparent that Hitler's rise to power began the chain
> of events that led to the Holocaust.  You know, those innocuous things
> like the laws that deprived all Jews of their livelihood, land, basic 
> rights of citizenship and, ultimately, the right to live.   

Why don't we just back the official date of the "holocaust" back to the
days when the National Socialist party was formed?  How about when "Mein
Kampf" was written (1925?)?  What the hell, let's back up the date to the
year Hitler was born.

You don't get it, do you?  Jews have been expelled out of EVERY
civilization they have ever been in contact with, except for the Americas.
 Why do you think that is?  Do you think every nation on earth is
anti-semetic for no reason at all?  Can you think of any other group that
has been purged from the population as regularly as jews?

>>The whole point of this stamp is to try to teach history to the peons in
>>Canada.  If they can squeeze a few more years of Holocaust-mania, a few
>>more tears of sympathy from the goyim, and a HUGE amount of shekels from
>>the governmnet for anti-semitism and sensitivity training, then their
>>campaign will have been successful.
> 
> If a postage stamp can succeed in bringing an atrocious and appalling
> episode in history into the consciousness of Canadians (which I doubt),
> I'm all for it.

I think the only reason this stamp was commissioned was because of that
poll that states that 20% of people doubt the "holocaust"(tm) happened,
and another 30% doubt every claim.  We can't have that, now can we?  So
the poll was "corrected".  Now, this is just a crude attempt to inflict
this piece of historical chicanery on young people to brainwash them.

  Because it would mean that antisemitic hatemongerers
> are unlikely to succeed in propagandising people into believing that
> all of Canada's problems are attributable to Jews.

Not all. Just a large chunk of them.
 
(snip)
 
> With apologies to the memory of real dinosaurs -
> 
> No, dinosaurs look under their beds for ZOG conspiracists, interpret
> things like commemorative postage stamps as "evidence" of a Jewish
> conspiracy, and think that everyone who speaks out against their
> antisemitic hatemongering is either a Jew or a Jew-dupe.  Dinosaurs
> wilfully distort and twist history to their own political ends,
> diminishing and ridiculing the horror perpetuated on people by the
> Nazis for no more reason than that they were Jews, homosexuals,
> Poles, Gypsies, or a member of some other "undesirable group". 

Jews are notorious for firing up a population against its leaders.  That
makes them undesirable, especially in wartime.  Homosexuals are just
undesirable.  Communists were also imprisonned, since they were vehement
in opposing the LAWFULLY elected NS government.  Gypsies are thieves. 
Criminally insane people were also sent to concentration camps.  So, you
see, Hitler wasn't "picking" on the jews.  He was simply seperating the
undesirables from the main population.

 They then
> have the temerity to express dismay when people who lost family
> members and loved ones, or who are just plain repulsed by this
> despicable era in European history speak out against them.

Do you realize that more than just jews died in WW2?  You seem to be
somewhat familiar with the subject.  Tell me, how many U.S. soldiers died
in WW2?  How many Canadian?  How many German, both civilian and military? 
How many Soviets? etc...  I could keep going for a while, but you get my
drift.

Most schoolchildren today can rattle off like good little shabbos goy that
"6 million" jews died in the "holocaust".  But only about 1 in 100 can
name how many Canadian soldiers died.  Don't you see a problem here?

Sylvie Charbonneau




From bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Jan 27 21:41:30 PST 1996
Article: 16328 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Sylvie Charbonneau)
Subject: Re: Holocaust stamp from Canada Post
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 (ncrccjc@ibm.net) writes:
>> bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Sylvie Charbonneau) wrote:
>> 
>> >I picked up some stamps at the post office today.  Imagine my surprise
>> >when the clerk handed me some "Holocaust" memorial stamps.
> 
> ncrccjc responds:
> 
> I think we owe Ms. Griswold er sorry, I mean Charbonneau, a thank you for 
> bringing this stamp to the attention of Canadians on this NG. I, for one, will 
> ensure that I use the stamp and will pass on the info to many many more. 
> Thanks again Le...Sylvie (Sorry for the inadvertant slip of the finger).

That's been tried before, by much better people than you.  But on another
note...

Tell me, does ncrccjc stand for:
	National Capital Region of Canada Canadian Jewish Congress

Does it?  Does it?  I bet it does...

Sylvie Charbonneau
 


Call the National Alliance answering service.
 	Main office:	(304) 653-4600
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From bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Jan 27 21:41:31 PST 1996
Article: 16333 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Sylvie Charbonneau)
Subject: Re: Holocaust stamp from Canada Post
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Daniel Keren (dkeren@world.std.com) writes:
> Sylvie Charbonneau  wrote:
> 
> # If so, how can the holocaust have started 9 years earlier?  Did I 
> # miss something,
> 
> Of course - you've missed something that an average ten-year-old
> would not have missed.
> 
> No one claims that Nazi mass murder of persecuted minorities
> began in 1933. However, that was the year in which the Nazis
> took power and began an intense propaganda campaign which,
> eventually, made that mass murder possible. This is sort
> of like saying that the Gulf War began when Iraq invaded Kuwait,
> although the actual battle between the US and Iraq began later.

Iraq invaded Kuwait in August.  The U.S. was making noise that they would
declare war pretty much from the word go.  They hemmed and hawed and
declared war on January 15th.  That is a difference of about 4 1/2 months.
 I'm talking about 9 YEARS!!!!  Can you see the difference?  

The Gulf War was pretty much just an excuse for Bush to look tough.  He
was coming up on an election year.

But the "holocaust" supposedly happened 50 years ago.  Yet we keep hearing
about it on an almost daily basis.  How often do you hear about the 30-50
million people that Stalin murdered over a thirty year period?  How often
do you hear about the 1 1/2 million Armenians compared to the jews?  How
often are the Hutus and Tutsis mentionned, even though that only happened
last year?  Cambodians?  Tibetans?  China?  Shall I keep going?

Sylvie Charbonneau




From bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Jan 27 21:41:32 PST 1996
Article: 16497 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Sylvie Charbonneau)
Subject: Re: Holocaust stamp from Canada Post
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Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) writes:
> bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Sylvie Charbonneau) wrote:
> 
>>So now just having Hitler come to power in Germany in 1933 marks the
>>official beginning of the Holocaust.  I get it.  Herren, start your
>>engines, the official Holocaust may now begin... 
> 
> Well, you see, with the benefit of hindsight (for those who look, at
> least), it is apparent that Hitler's rise to power began the chain
> of events that led to the Holocaust.  You know, those innocuous things
> like the laws that deprived all Jews of their livelihood, land, basic 
> rights of citizenship and, ultimately, the right to live.   

Why don't we just back the official date of the "holocaust" back to the
days when the National Socialist party was formed?  How about when "Mein
Kampf" was written (1925?)?  What the hell, let's back up the date to the
year Hitler was born.

You don't get it, do you?  Jews have been expelled out of EVERY
civilization they have ever been in contact with, except for the Americas.
 Why do you think that is?  Do you think every nation on earth is
anti-semetic for no reason at all?  Can you think of any other group that
has been purged from the population as regularly as jews?

>>The whole point of this stamp is to try to teach history to the peons in
>>Canada.  If they can squeeze a few more years of Holocaust-mania, a few
>>more tears of sympathy from the goyim, and a HUGE amount of shekels from
>>the governmnet for anti-semitism and sensitivity training, then their
>>campaign will have been successful.
> 
> If a postage stamp can succeed in bringing an atrocious and appalling
> episode in history into the consciousness of Canadians (which I doubt),
> I'm all for it.

I think the only reason this stamp was commissioned was because of that
poll that states that 20% of people doubt the "holocaust"(tm) happened,
and another 30% doubt every claim.  We can't have that, now can we?  So
the poll was "corrected".  Now, this is just a crude attempt to inflict
this piece of historical chicanery on young people to brainwash them.

  Because it would mean that antisemitic hatemongerers
> are unlikely to succeed in propagandising people into believing that
> all of Canada's problems are attributable to Jews.

Not all. Just a large chunk of them.
 
(snip)
 
> With apologies to the memory of real dinosaurs -
> 
> No, dinosaurs look under their beds for ZOG conspiracists, interpret
> things like commemorative postage stamps as "evidence" of a Jewish
> conspiracy, and think that everyone who speaks out against their
> antisemitic hatemongering is either a Jew or a Jew-dupe.  Dinosaurs
> wilfully distort and twist history to their own political ends,
> diminishing and ridiculing the horror perpetuated on people by the
> Nazis for no more reason than that they were Jews, homosexuals,
> Poles, Gypsies, or a member of some other "undesirable group". 

Jews are notorious for firing up a population against its leaders.  That
makes them undesirable, especially in wartime.  Homosexuals are just
undesirable.  Communists were also imprisonned, since they were vehement
in opposing the LAWFULLY elected NS government.  Gypsies are thieves. 
Criminally insane people were also sent to concentration camps.  So, you
see, Hitler wasn't "picking" on the jews.  He was simply seperating the
undesirables from the main population.

 They then
> have the temerity to express dismay when people who lost family
> members and loved ones, or who are just plain repulsed by this
> despicable era in European history speak out against them.

Do you realize that more than just jews died in WW2?  You seem to be
somewhat familiar with the subject.  Tell me, how many U.S. soldiers died
in WW2?  How many Canadian?  How many German, both civilian and military? 
How many Soviets? etc...  I could keep going for a while, but you get my
drift.

Most schoolchildren today can rattle off like good little shabbos goy that
"6 million" jews died in the "holocaust".  But only about 1 in 100 can
name how many Canadian soldiers died.  Don't you see a problem here?

Sylvie Charbonneau




From bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Jan 28 09:13:54 PST 1996
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Subject: Holocaust stamp from Canada Post
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I picked up some stamps at the post office today.  Imagine my surprise
when the clerk handed me some "Holocaust" memorial stamps.  I was even
more surprised to learn that the "Holocaust" happened in the years
1933-1945.  This was what was printed on the stamp, along with about a
dozen jewish faces and a yellow star with the word "jude".  Now, I thought
that the official line about the holocaust was that it started after the
Wannsee conference (and its now infamous protocol) in 1942.  If so, how
can the holocaust have started 9 years earlier?  Did I miss something, or
was it just too difficult for them to keep track of all their lies....

Sylvie Charbonneau


Call the National Alliance answering service.
 	Main office:	(304) 653-4600
	California:	(818) 725-3430
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	Maryland:	(410) 813-4105
	Mississippi:	(601) 373-6290
	Nevada:		(702) 434-1994
	New Jersey:	(201) 697-1011
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	Ohio:		(216) 846-1045
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From bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Jan 28 09:13:55 PST 1996
Article: 28741 of soc.culture.jewish
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From: bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Sylvie Charbonneau)
Subject: Re: Holocaust stamp from Canada Post
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 (ncrccjc@ibm.net) writes:
>> bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Sylvie Charbonneau) wrote:
>> 
>> >I picked up some stamps at the post office today.  Imagine my surprise
>> >when the clerk handed me some "Holocaust" memorial stamps.
> 
> ncrccjc responds:
> 
> I think we owe Ms. Griswold er sorry, I mean Charbonneau, a thank you for 
> bringing this stamp to the attention of Canadians on this NG. I, for one, will 
> ensure that I use the stamp and will pass on the info to many many more. 
> Thanks again Le...Sylvie (Sorry for the inadvertant slip of the finger).

That's been tried before, by much better people than you.  But on another
note...

Tell me, does ncrccjc stand for:
	National Capital Region of Canada Canadian Jewish Congress

Does it?  Does it?  I bet it does...

Sylvie Charbonneau
 


Call the National Alliance answering service.
 	Main office:	(304) 653-4600
	California:	(818) 725-3430
  	Florida:	(407) 275-6815
	Illinois:	(708) 818-4045
	Maryland:	(410) 813-4105
	Mississippi:	(601) 373-6290
	Nevada:		(702) 434-1994
	New Jersey:	(201) 697-1011
	New York:	(212) 388-2655
	North Carolina:	(919) 742-2438
	Ohio:		(216) 846-1045
	Ottawa:		(613) 834-7960
	Virginia:	(703) 715-6050  or (804) 673-7350
		
or check out the Web page at: http://www.natvan.com




From bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Jan 28 09:13:56 PST 1996
Article: 28754 of soc.culture.jewish
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From: bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Sylvie Charbonneau)
Subject: Re: Holocaust stamp from Canada Post
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Daniel Keren (dkeren@world.std.com) writes:
> Sylvie Charbonneau  wrote:
> 
> # If so, how can the holocaust have started 9 years earlier?  Did I 
> # miss something,
> 
> Of course - you've missed something that an average ten-year-old
> would not have missed.
> 
> No one claims that Nazi mass murder of persecuted minorities
> began in 1933. However, that was the year in which the Nazis
> took power and began an intense propaganda campaign which,
> eventually, made that mass murder possible. This is sort
> of like saying that the Gulf War began when Iraq invaded Kuwait,
> although the actual battle between the US and Iraq began later.

Iraq invaded Kuwait in August.  The U.S. was making noise that they would
declare war pretty much from the word go.  They hemmed and hawed and
declared war on January 15th.  That is a difference of about 4 1/2 months.
 I'm talking about 9 YEARS!!!!  Can you see the difference?  

The Gulf War was pretty much just an excuse for Bush to look tough.  He
was coming up on an election year.

But the "holocaust" supposedly happened 50 years ago.  Yet we keep hearing
about it on an almost daily basis.  How often do you hear about the 30-50
million people that Stalin murdered over a thirty year period?  How often
do you hear about the 1 1/2 million Armenians compared to the jews?  How
often are the Hutus and Tutsis mentionned, even though that only happened
last year?  Cambodians?  Tibetans?  China?  Shall I keep going?

Sylvie Charbonneau




From bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Jan 28 09:13:57 PST 1996
Article: 28916 of soc.culture.jewish
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Subject: Re: Holocaust stamp from Canada Post
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Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) writes:
> bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Sylvie Charbonneau) wrote:
> 
>>So now just having Hitler come to power in Germany in 1933 marks the
>>official beginning of the Holocaust.  I get it.  Herren, start your
>>engines, the official Holocaust may now begin... 
> 
> Well, you see, with the benefit of hindsight (for those who look, at
> least), it is apparent that Hitler's rise to power began the chain
> of events that led to the Holocaust.  You know, those innocuous things
> like the laws that deprived all Jews of their livelihood, land, basic 
> rights of citizenship and, ultimately, the right to live.   

Why don't we just back the official date of the "holocaust" back to the
days when the National Socialist party was formed?  How about when "Mein
Kampf" was written (1925?)?  What the hell, let's back up the date to the
year Hitler was born.

You don't get it, do you?  Jews have been expelled out of EVERY
civilization they have ever been in contact with, except for the Americas.
 Why do you think that is?  Do you think every nation on earth is
anti-semetic for no reason at all?  Can you think of any other group that
has been purged from the population as regularly as jews?

>>The whole point of this stamp is to try to teach history to the peons in
>>Canada.  If they can squeeze a few more years of Holocaust-mania, a few
>>more tears of sympathy from the goyim, and a HUGE amount of shekels from
>>the governmnet for anti-semitism and sensitivity training, then their
>>campaign will have been successful.
> 
> If a postage stamp can succeed in bringing an atrocious and appalling
> episode in history into the consciousness of Canadians (which I doubt),
> I'm all for it.

I think the only reason this stamp was commissioned was because of that
poll that states that 20% of people doubt the "holocaust"(tm) happened,
and another 30% doubt every claim.  We can't have that, now can we?  So
the poll was "corrected".  Now, this is just a crude attempt to inflict
this piece of historical chicanery on young people to brainwash them.

  Because it would mean that antisemitic hatemongerers
> are unlikely to succeed in propagandising people into believing that
> all of Canada's problems are attributable to Jews.

Not all. Just a large chunk of them.
 
(snip)
 
> With apologies to the memory of real dinosaurs -
> 
> No, dinosaurs look under their beds for ZOG conspiracists, interpret
> things like commemorative postage stamps as "evidence" of a Jewish
> conspiracy, and think that everyone who speaks out against their
> antisemitic hatemongering is either a Jew or a Jew-dupe.  Dinosaurs
> wilfully distort and twist history to their own political ends,
> diminishing and ridiculing the horror perpetuated on people by the
> Nazis for no more reason than that they were Jews, homosexuals,
> Poles, Gypsies, or a member of some other "undesirable group". 

Jews are notorious for firing up a population against its leaders.  That
makes them undesirable, especially in wartime.  Homosexuals are just
undesirable.  Communists were also imprisonned, since they were vehement
in opposing the LAWFULLY elected NS government.  Gypsies are thieves. 
Criminally insane people were also sent to concentration camps.  So, you
see, Hitler wasn't "picking" on the jews.  He was simply seperating the
undesirables from the main population.

 They then
> have the temerity to express dismay when people who lost family
> members and loved ones, or who are just plain repulsed by this
> despicable era in European history speak out against them.

Do you realize that more than just jews died in WW2?  You seem to be
somewhat familiar with the subject.  Tell me, how many U.S. soldiers died
in WW2?  How many Canadian?  How many German, both civilian and military? 
How many Soviets? etc...  I could keep going for a while, but you get my
drift.

Most schoolchildren today can rattle off like good little shabbos goy that
"6 million" jews died in the "holocaust".  But only about 1 in 100 can
name how many Canadian soldiers died.  Don't you see a problem here?

Sylvie Charbonneau




From bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Jan 29 12:27:16 PST 1996
Article: 21955 of alt.revisionism
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From: bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Sylvie Charbonneau)
Subject: Re: Holocaust stamp from Canada Post
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Gord McFee (gmcfee@ibm.net) writes:
> In , bn861@freenet.carleton.ca said:
> 
>>So now just having Hitler come to power in Germany in 1933 marks the
>>official beginning of the Holocaust.  I get it.  Herren, start your
>>engines, the official Holocaust may now begin...  
> 
> Gee, Sylvie, I don't remember the stamps saying that 1933 ws the *official*
> beginning of the Holocaust, do you?

It says so on the stamp.  Maybe you should pick one up and look closely at
it.  It says: The Holocaust: 1933-1945.  How much clearer can you get?

>>>> >The stamp might be evidence that the people at the post office don't
>>>> >their history very well, or that they don't separate Hitler from the
>>>> >holocaust.
> 
>>The whole point of this stamp is to try to teach history to the peons in
>>Canada.  If they can squeeze a few more years of Holocaust-mania, a few
>>more tears of sympathy from the goyim, and a HUGE amount of shekels from
>>the governmnet for anti-semitism and sensitivity training, then their
>>campaign will have been successful.
> 
> Indeed.  Particularly if it helps deflect the scum from folks like you.

Sticks and stones....

But back to the point: Why would there be such a GLARING error on the
stamp if it wasn't purposeful?  Most high school kids (and even elementary
school kids) know that the war occurred from 1939-1945. (1942-1945 if
you're American :-) )  So why would they distort the facts if it wasn't
part of a campaign to guilt the White population into spending more money
for anti-racism campaigns, "holocaust" memorials, etc...

Sylvie Charbonneau

_____
"The fate of every last White man, woman and child on this planet lies
squarely on the shoulders of us here today.  Out of all the racialist
organizations in the nation, the [National] Alliance, and only the
Alliance has the potential to bring us to victory!"

					Robert Mathews

______
"We come from the land of the ice and snow
Where the midnight sun and the hot springs blow
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands
To fight the hordes, singing and crying,
'Valhalla, I am coming....'"
		
		Led Zeppelin, "The Immigrant Song"



From bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Jan 29 12:48:32 PST 1996
Article: 12736 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Sylvie Charbonneau)
Subject: Re: Holocaust stamp from Canada Post
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Susan Groppi (groppi@scunix4.harvard.edu) writes:
> Sylvie Charbonneau (bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Why the hell did these jews stick around for so long then?  Most of them
> : didn't even attempt to get out of Germany for years after Hitler came to  
> : power.  The parasite just didn't have enough foresight to leave the host. 
> : Then they complain when tough measures are taken to remove them.  
> 
> There were many reasons why the German Jews didn't just leave the 
> country.  First and foremost, they didn't think it would keep getting 
> bad--they had faith that no one could really be as evil as Hitler turned 
> out to be.  Also, they were reluctant to leave behind their homes and 
> everything they had worked for all their lives.  It's not easy going into 
> exile, Sylvie.  Abandoning everything is a very difficult decision to 
> make. 

Are you seriously trying to tell me that their posessions were more
important to them than their lives?  Are you saying that if you were in
the same position, you would hesitate for one second?  If I were living in
a country where I even suspected that the laws might endanger me or my
family, I would be hotfooting it for the border faster than you can say "boo".

> There's also the question of not having anywhere to go.  Once it 
> became clear what Hitler's government was up to, some neighboring nations 
> made it difficult for Jews to immigrate, and that's not even taking into 
> account the financial repercussions of the measures taken against Jews.  

Are you trying to tell me that millions of Mexicans with no money can
figure out how to cross the U.S. border undetected, but a bunch of
educated jews can't figure out how to do the same thing in Europe?

I also notice that you use the words "made it difficult for Jews to
immigrate".  As far as I know, difficult doesn't mean impossible. 

Sylvie Charbonneau



From bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Jan 29 12:55:44 PST 1996
Article: 16862 of alt.politics.white-power
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Subject: Re: Holocaust stamp from Canada Post
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Susan Groppi (groppi@scunix4.harvard.edu) writes:
> Sylvie Charbonneau (bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Why the hell did these jews stick around for so long then?  Most of them
> : didn't even attempt to get out of Germany for years after Hitler came to  
> : power.  The parasite just didn't have enough foresight to leave the host. 
> : Then they complain when tough measures are taken to remove them.  
> 
> There were many reasons why the German Jews didn't just leave the 
> country.  First and foremost, they didn't think it would keep getting 
> bad--they had faith that no one could really be as evil as Hitler turned 
> out to be.  Also, they were reluctant to leave behind their homes and 
> everything they had worked for all their lives.  It's not easy going into 
> exile, Sylvie.  Abandoning everything is a very difficult decision to 
> make. 

Are you seriously trying to tell me that their posessions were more
important to them than their lives?  Are you saying that if you were in
the same position, you would hesitate for one second?  If I were living in
a country where I even suspected that the laws might endanger me or my
family, I would be hotfooting it for the border faster than you can say "boo".

> There's also the question of not having anywhere to go.  Once it 
> became clear what Hitler's government was up to, some neighboring nations 
> made it difficult for Jews to immigrate, and that's not even taking into 
> account the financial repercussions of the measures taken against Jews.  

Are you trying to tell me that millions of Mexicans with no money can
figure out how to cross the U.S. border undetected, but a bunch of
educated jews can't figure out how to do the same thing in Europe?

I also notice that you use the words "made it difficult for Jews to
immigrate".  As far as I know, difficult doesn't mean impossible. 

Sylvie Charbonneau




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