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Subject: More Liberal Typos! (was Re: Tiresome black EXCUSES.)
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Joy Moore (moore006@coyote.csusm.edu) writes:
> To whom it may concern,
> 	I want you to know that the bullshit you were typing earlier is 
> really dumb and it proves that whites are extremely ignorant and very 
> ssick. Refering to you comparison of Black men and apes---- These 
> so-called apes are what you sorry sad ass white men are afraid of. next 
> time you see a Balck man call him a ape. If you successfully succeed then 
> your point for that man is proven, but I doubt you will. I rather be 
> cconsidered as an aminal than as the race that started AIDS and 
> homsexuality. White people are nothing but a bunch of gay, human flesh 
> eeating fags!!!!! 

Gee, and only EIGHT typos in a nine line message.  You guys are getting
better at this.  Keep it up.

Am I winning the typo-finding contest yet, McKinstry?  I hope so...

And what's this sh*t about Whites starting AIDS?  That disease originated
in Africa,  didn't it?  Approximately 60% of the population of some
African countries has it, don't they?

	And last time I checked, Africa had a higher rate of cannibalism
than ANY White country anywhere, anytime.  Some get off your high horse,
take your head out of your arse, and take a long hard look at reality.


--
Sylvie Charbonneau




From bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Sep  1 23:54:20 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: The ONLY liberal big gun... (was: For anyone who's interested...)
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Jeanne Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>> Jeanne Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:
>  
> [snip]
> 
> Les, I spot typos without scanning for them. I am student and have to be
> conscientious of spelling. I also design and produce html documents for
> the university. Furthermore, I was the editor of a newsletter for a
> nonprofit organization for five years. I wish that I could casually read
> anything without studying and/or proofreading, but those typos keep
> popping up everywhere.
> 
> A good place for you to start to learn to be a major-leaugue winner would
                                                      ^^^^^^^^^

Bwahahahahaha!!!  Shouldn't that be "league", Jeanne?  Boy, I bet you have
enough egg on your face right now to make an omelette.

 > be in spelling my name correctly. Hope this helps. > 
		    	
Hope this helps you too!

And Sylvie takes the lead...



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Sylvie Charbonneau




From bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Sep  2 00:15:19 PDT 1995
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Subject: More Liberal Typos! (was Re: Tiresome black EXCUSES.)
Reply-To: bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Sylvie Charbonneau)
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Joy Moore (moore006@coyote.csusm.edu) writes:
> To whom it may concern,
> 	I want you to know that the bullshit you were typing earlier is 
> really dumb and it proves that whites are extremely ignorant and very 
> ssick. Refering to you comparison of Black men and apes---- These 
> so-called apes are what you sorry sad ass white men are afraid of. next 
> time you see a Balck man call him a ape. If you successfully succeed then 
> your point for that man is proven, but I doubt you will. I rather be 
> cconsidered as an aminal than as the race that started AIDS and 
> homsexuality. White people are nothing but a bunch of gay, human flesh 
> eeating fags!!!!! 

Gee, and only EIGHT typos in a nine line message.  You guys are getting
better at this.  Keep it up.

Am I winning the typo-finding contest yet, McKinstry?  I hope so...

And what's this sh*t about Whites starting AIDS?  That disease originated
in Africa,  didn't it?  Approximately 60% of the population of some
African countries has it, don't they?

	And last time I checked, Africa had a higher rate of cannibalism
than ANY White country anywhere, anytime.  Some get off your high horse,
take your head out of your arse, and take a long hard look at reality.


--
Sylvie Charbonneau




From bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Sep 14 08:20:41 PDT 1995
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From: bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Sylvie Charbonneau)
Subject: Re: N*GG*R
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aloysius (cmlewis@usc.edu) writes:
>    beautiful.
> 
>    just sitting back wondering how many of you out there have any idea of
> exactly how hard it is to be a young black male in modern society.  do you
> have any fucking idea how many goddamn times a day we are faced with the
> same old liberal vs. conservative bullshit on a daily basis?  do you think
> that we really have gained anything meaningful from your little
> white-on-white young, unempowered rhetoric?

Do you think that we really care?
> 
>    i could address so many of your statements, and destroy so many of your
> hypothetical arguments with some pretty frightening realities.  none of
> you (i am assuming) have relatives in south central los angeles.  or south
> park houston.  or so on, or so forth.  you have, most likely, no idea what
> it is like to face such fucking squalor on a daily basis, nor how
> debilitating such an existence can be to the average human being,
> regardless of age, race, creed, or sex.

Gee, last time I checked, if you didn't like the circumstances under which
you live, you could always change them.  Hard work does pay off in the
long run.  
 > 
>    i always find it interesting that it always comes down to black and
> white.  jews, hispanics, italians, asians, etc--they can assimilate. 
> blacks, on the other hand...  i get the feeling that before any of YOU can
> solve your racial differences, WE (ie. black AMERICANS) may have to be
> systematically destroyed.  which, i might add, is being done with great
> haste and vigor.

If anybody is doing the destroying, it is blacks and not Whites.  Exactly
how are we destroying you?  Are we the ones FORCING young black males to
shoot one another in gang turf or drug wars?  Are we forcing black males
and females to abuse many drugs, crack being at the forefront?  Are we
forcing you to loot, rape, riot, murder, mug and generally wreak havoc
upon Whites?  Are we forcing 12 year old black girls to get pregnant and
drop out of school?  
 > 
>    i do not believe in black empowerment, or black organiztions, or black
> anything.  i think such things are more detrimental than beneficial, for
> they are racially, rather than humanity, based.  but what is that you want
> us to do?  stop being criminals? 

I don't know if blacks are capable of that, but it would be a nice start.

 stop speaking loudly in public?  stop
> being angry and violent?

Sounds great to me...
> 
>    in similar circumstances...could you?

Hey, I have an idea... if things are so lousy in America for you, why
don't you hop on the next boat and head to the homeland.  I'm sure things
are much better (snicker) in Somalia, Ghana, Zimbabwe or Sudan.
> 
>    have you noticed a recent (and somewhat frightening) trend?  the use of
> young balck male culture to sale commercial products?  nike, sprite,
> cheerios--and i'm sure that we could all come up with a million other
> examples

I distinctly remember blacks raising a big stink when they weren't
"represented" in advertising.  In fact, up in Canada, they had a Juicy
Fruit ad with four young boys in it.  All of them were wearing baseball
caps, and the young black had a juicy fruit stick of gum where the plastic
adjuster is at the back (they were wearing the caps backwards).  The other
three boys (one asian and two White) were looking at the black boy's cap. 
This was decried as "racist" since they were singling out the black boy. 
So, let's see if I get this straight:  If blacks aren't included in
advertising, Whites are racist.  If they are included in advertising, we
are "us(ing) black male culture to sale (sic) commercial products". 
Please, be consistent.

 : when will white corporate america stop blatantly raping our
> culture--hip-hop (beastie boys), rock and roll (elvis presley), jazz
> (kenny g), funk (red hot chili peppers), techno (nin)--and then claiming
> that we are the root of most of their evil? 

Quite frankly, I couldn't care less about the "raping" of the culture you
claim to be yours.  Tell me, would African blacks have EVER invented the
electric guitar, the saxophone, the amplifier and microphone, and other
tools these musicians use?  I don't think so.  The closest Africa came to
producing any of these items is an instrument that resembles a guitar. 
But they'd be out of luck trying to find electricity to power an amp, though.
 > 
>    make up your fucking minds--do you want us to live together in peace
> (as so many men and women of the past--many of them black (rodney king,
> anyone?)--have requested...

I believe the only way we will ever live in peace is when we are
completely seperated.
 > 
>    ...or do you really and truly want a fucking war?

If there is a war to be waged, then so be it.  But keep in mind that the
black unity thing isn't going to last long in a war situation.  I mean,
the Bloods and the Crips can't even pass themselves in the street without
shooting each other.
 > 
>    affirmative action, my ass.  affirmatively trying to avoid more riots,
> maybe.  "thank you, massuh..."  like we didn't have a little piece of the
> pie coming after fucking living, working, and dying on your goddamned
> plantations for so fucking long.

A little hostile, are we?  Tell me, how many years did you pick cotton? 
How many lashes of the whip have you ever received?
And you seem to forget one important thing: the slave trade was exactly
that.  The slaves brought to America were TRADED by blacks to the Whites. 
They were mostly prisoners of another tribe, or if the chief was really
greedy for White inventions, some of his own people.  So lay the blame
equally on the blacks.
 > 
>    just picture it--only maybe thirty years ago, i couldn't have even been
> writing this letter to you (from a preodominately white college).  fifty
> years ago, i might not have even dared to say these things for fear of
> being lynched.  and one hundred years ago, i probably wouldn't have even
> been able to read or write, period.

Four hundred years ago, before much of Africa was explored by Europeans,
the literacy rate was near zero.  Name me some written languages of black
Africans.  They are few and very far between.  
 > 
>    and the saddest fact of the matter, a majority of blacks still can't do
> any of the above.  many of them are my relatives.  how should i feel about
> that?  grateful?  glad that i have (thus far) escaped the slave pens
> (ghettoes)?  god, this country sickens me sometimes...

So leave.  If your relatives can't read and write, and you can, don't you
feel any responsibility to teach them?  I know I would.

	My two and a half year-old son knows all of his alphabet.  Are you
telling me that your adult family can't learn what a two-year-old can?  
 
>    but i am here.  and for whatever reason, i was born a young black
> male.  and for whatever reason, i was gifted with an inordinate amount of
> insight and intelligence (1290 SAT--whatever the fuck that shit means). 
> and i guess that means that i have a responsibility to HUMANITY to make a
> fucking difference--to knock on some heads and beg for some common sense.

For someone who claims to have a 1290 SAT, you sure do resort to vulgarity
a lot.
 > 
>    there is one fucking planet.  there is one fucking race.  there is one
> fucking solution.

Sorry, but in our solar system, there are nine planets.  On this planet,
there are many races.  As to the solution you propose, it is utter rubbish.
 > 
>    unity.
> 
>    fuck it, i gotta go to class.  i don't like class, but i go.  i don't
> like college, but i go.  otherwise i'd probably have to rap or play
> basketball to make an honest buck here in the states, because i don't have
> friends or family "in the business".  sickening....

What business is that?  If anything is sickening, it's your "gimme, gimme,
gimme" attitude.  Even if your distant ancestors were slaves, it doesn't
entitle you to anything. 

You remind me of an Eagles song:
	"GET OVER IT!"


--
Sylvie Charbonneau




From bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Sep 15 08:57:26 PDT 1995
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From: bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Sylvie Charbonneau)
Subject: Rosenberg and bestiality
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Jeepers, that's two messages I find Rosenberg mentioning having sexual
relations with animals.  Sounds to me like he's a bit obscessed about
bestiality.  What do you think a (jewish) psychologist or therapist would
say about that?  "You seem to have this fascination about sexual
intercourse with animals, Joel.  Tell me about your mother..."


--
Sylvie Charbonneau




From bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Sep 15 08:57:27 PDT 1995
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From: bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Sylvie Charbonneau)
Subject: Re: N*GG*R
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aloysius (cmlewis@usc.edu) writes:
>>    fuck it, i gotta go to class.  i don't like class, but i go.  i don't
>> > like college, but i go.  otherwise i'd probably have to rap or play
>> > basketball to make an honest buck here in the states, because i don't have
>> > friends or family "in the business".  sickening....
>> 
>> What business is that?  If anything is sickening, it's your "gimme, gimme,
>> gimme" attitude.  Even if your distant ancestors were slaves, it doesn't
>> entitle you to anything. 
>> 
>> You remind me of an Eagles song:
>>         "GET OVER IT!"

> 
>    ah, the gauntlet is cast, and i have drawn the worms from the woodworks.
> 
>    first of all, dearest sylvie, i must admit that you have made a few
> valid points.  you are quite right: i have no right to have a "gimme,
> gimme, gimme" attitude.  which is why i don't.

Bull.  If the gov't started handing out the theoretical "40 acres and a
mule", are you telling me you wouldn't line up for it?

  i am quite grateful to our
> government for opening the doors of education to those of color, and, as
> well,  for financing quite a bit of my education through grants and
> governmentally backed loans.  my mother served in the air-force for 16
> years (most of my young life), and i lived on free lunch for most of my
> adolescent life.  i offer  my sincerest regards to the government in this
> respect: the doors are now fully opened (well, somewhat) and no one has
> any excuse not to achieve these days.

So why were you complaining about your sorry life on this newsgroup?
> 
>    what bothers me is your seeming need to stereotype me (as in
> individual) with all the other "blacks" that you seem to have a problem
> with.  i have never committed any crime, i have never "blamed the system"
> for my problems; i even attend college with no support from anyone in my
> family.  i am doing, i assume, exactly what you say that you would like to
> see more black males doing.

Actually, I would like to see more black males hopping on a boat to Africa.
> 
>    and yet, did i see any words of encouragement?  no.  any helpful
> advice?  no.  ("go back to africa" excluded--cause let's face it, that
> option is long gone thanks to the destruction of my roots).  any positive
> reinforcement of a positive situation?

Whine, whine, whine... you sound like a snow tire on dry pavement.
> 
>    no.
> 
>    so, i must assume that you simply hate me because this is how you have
> been trained to think. 

Here's a newsflash for you:  I don't hate you.  I just couldn't care any
less about you and your black brothers & sisters.  A complete lack of
caring does not necessarily mean hate.

 never mind that i seek a common solution
> (segragation notwithstanding): all that you wanted was to vent your
> frustrations on the first available young black male that you could
> (safely) accost.

No, I felt I had to answer your post to try and show your stupidity to the
world.  You first of all say that the black condition couldn't possibly be
understood by Whites.  Perhaps you're right.  I can't even begin to
understand why someone who CLAIMS to have a 1290 SAT won't take a few
hours a week to teach his illiterate relatives to read.
	As for the "safely accost(ing)" a young black male, given the
disproportionate ampunt of violent crime they commit, don't you think it's
wise to avoid accosting them?

>    or so you thought.
> 
>    i will destroy you, sylvie.  in fair debate and rebuttal, i will eat
> you alive.

Shades of cannibalism peeking through here?
> 
>    and i think you know that.

Are you serious?  You haven't made a single point that I haven't torn to
shreds.  Go back to school.
 > 
>    and i think all of you "race supremacists" know that.

"race supremacists"???  Don't you mean "White supremacist", or did you
mean "racist"?  
 > 
>    prepare yourself.

If this post is indicative of the quality of debate I can expect from your
1290 SAT score (snicker), I guess I'll always be prepared.



--
Sylvie Charbonneau




From bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Sep 17 12:36:59 PDT 1995
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aloysius (cmlewis@usc.edu) writes:
> In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>> It may actually show how little Blacks contribute to the economy (I know,
>> it's scheduled for the U.S., but you can bet your bottom dollar that there
>> will be "sympathy" demonstrations up here...)  I think that Mr. Farrakoon
>> didn't think about this when he called for it, but he may be reconsidering...
>> 
>> Les
> 
>    personally, although i don't like mr. farrakhan's politics, i'm pleased
> to see any showing of nonviolent solidarity "amongst" the "black"
> community.  and if blacks contribute so little to the economy, why have
> dre, snoop, and eazy e top billboards charts?  and why did tlc do so well
> at the mtv ("voice of a generation") awards?  and why is the sports
> industry so filled with "black" atheletes?  and why are so many
> commercials aimed at young adults being utilizing "black" icons and
> background music?

Because the blacks whined and kvetched for years saying they weren't
represented in advertising.  Face it, how many times have you heard of a
boycott of a certain company unless they included blacks in their
advertising?  I can remember at least three.
 > 
>    entertainment is america's largest industry, mr. griswold. > 
>    and that "cosby" guy sure did well on NBC for a while.
> 
>    and FOX and WB sure do seem to be loading up on a lot of "black" programming.

Yeah, and they're really typical black families too.  Cosby: doctor and
lawyer.  Family Matters: black cop and genius next door neighbor.  A
Different World: a genius mathematical black (bwahahaha), a down-south
high-yaller old-money prima donna, a hard-working older black woman
wanting to better herself, some sort of officer in the army as a
professor, etc...  Really typical of blacks.  At least Good Times was more
realistic. (15 blacks in one apartment)

 >  >    signs of the times, perhaps? > 
>    and just think...we blacks have only been at this for a century, now. 
> just imagine the future possibilities...


It frightens me.

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Sylvie Charbonneau




From bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Sep 17 12:39:59 PDT 1995
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From: bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Sylvie Charbonneau)
Subject: Re: N*GG*R
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Master Cho (achau@usc.edu) writes:
>    
> 
>    give a fool an inch, and he'll take a mile.
> 
>    i think that i see now exactly where the crux of the problem lies. 
> amongst you it is not so much a matter of ignorance as it is a matter of
> desperation. once again, rather than objectively discuss the points that i
> have cast forward for observation (with many a concession), you have
> chosen to attack at my posts like mad, slavering animals, devoid of
> rational thought.

PARDON ME????  "...devoid of rational thought"????  I thought it would be
rational to try and improve the lot of your illiterate relatives.  Imagine
that... 
 > 
>    (and mr.griswold even called me "halfway" intelligent.  imagine that.)

Someone who complains about his race's illiteracy and then doesn't do
anything about it sounds like he's only halfway intelligent to me.
 > 
>    i am told to get over it.  and then i am told to go back to africa. 
> and then i am told that i should go back into my community and teach.  and
> then i am told that i shouldn't be over here in the first place.  and then
> i am told that i must still want to be a slave.  wow.  i wonder which one
> i shall choose...

May I choose for you?  PLEASE!!!!!  O.K. I choose... hmm, this could be
difficult... gimme a sec' here.... I got it!!! I choose that you should go
back to Africa.
 > 
>    i suppose that it doesn't matter that, as an individual, i might not
> wish to do any of the above.  to "you", i am just another one of "them"
> trying to get over on the man.  no matter what i might do to convince you
> otherwise, this is your mode of thought and you would rather die than open
> your mind to an outsider.

No, you did the 'angry black male' bit, and we're treating you like one. 
Kinda ticks you off, doesn't it?
 > 
>    so much for stimulating debate.
> 
>    i see now that i must attend to such foolishness in measured doses,
> lest i fall prey to the mindless rhetoric that you seem to want so badly
> to draw me into (or chase me away from).  from this point on, i will only
> address you when i feel that you have made a valid argument (racial
> superiority, black ineptitude, etc.) based on fact, and not biased
> opinion.

Translation: I wasn't expecting anybody to be able to debate me (and tear
my arguments to shreds) so I'll retreat while pretending to be too
intelligent to bother responding.  Here's a tip: it's been done before. 
If you can't bother to even try to put up a logical, reasonable debate,
get the hell out of here.



--
Sylvie Charbonneau




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Subject: Re: N*GG*R
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lzaird (lzaird@io.org) writes:
> bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Sylvie Charbonneau) wrote:
(snip) 
> 
>>If anybody is doing the destroying, it is blacks and not Whites.  Exactly
>>how are we destroying you?  Are we the ones FORCING young black males to
>>shoot one another in gang turf or drug wars?  Are we forcing black males
>>and females to abuse many drugs, crack being at the forefront?  Are we
>>forcing you to loot, rape, riot, murder, mug and generally wreak havoc
>>upon Whites?  Are we forcing 12 year old black girls to get pregnant and
>>drop out of school?  
> 
> What about the 12 year-old White girls who are pregnant, and dropping
> out of school?  (I don't know about the states, though, Sylvie, but
> you can't drop out in THIS country at 12...you ARE in Canada, right?)

Oh, gimme a break Lizard.  Are you trying to tell me that there are just
as many White girls getting pregnant as there are black girls? Please,
even you can't be so deluded.

(snip) (stuff about blacks being used in advertising)
 
> See, once again you're talking as if there's one HUGE black guy, not a
> whole culture of individuals... You're addressing "The Blacks..."
> That's 20% of your whole problem.

If they're a "whole culture of individuals", why do they often stand in a
circle holding hands and singing "We shall overcome" whenever they think
Whitey hasn't been fair?  Individuals who mass together at the slightest
(imagined) provocation lose their individual status and become a
representative of a group.  I'm disappointed I even had to point that out.

(snip)
 
> Once again, you seem to think that YOU could invent them, if so
> inclined.    20% of your main problem, you fell you can take credit
> for the actions of others.  Anyways, are you sure that it was only
> Whites who aided in the invention of the equiptment listed?  

Do we have to post the White inventions list again?  I'm still waiting for
the Black inventions list, apart from peanut butter and the streetlight. 
Gimme your best shot.
 > 
>>>    make up your fucking minds--do you want us to live together in peace
>>> (as so many men and women of the past--many of them black (rodney king,
>>> anyone?)--have requested...
>>I believe the only way we will ever live in peace is when we are
>>completely seperated.
> 
> Or, when racist propaganda can be so far dis-credited that it can't
> possibly be taken seriously.... The only solution is education.
> Racism stems from mis-information.  20% of your problem.  

What freaking problem do you keep referring to?  And anti-racism stems
>from  deliberate blindness.
 > 
>>>    ...or do you really and truly want a fucking war?
>>If there is a war to be waged, then so be it.  But keep in mind that the
>>black unity thing isn't going to last long in a war situation.  I mean,
>>the Bloods and the Crips can't even pass themselves in the street without
>>shooting each other.
> 
> Bloods and Cripps, Hell's Angels and The Rock Machine.  'Cept the
> Hell's Angels/Rock Machine blow each other up...  

More power to them.  I hope they keep blowing each other up.  They're
nothing but low-life drug dealers.
(snip)
>>>    just picture it--only maybe thirty years ago, i couldn't have even been
>>> writing this letter to you (from a preodominately white college).  fifty
>>> years ago, i might not have even dared to say these things for fear of
>>> being lynched.  and one hundred years ago, i probably wouldn't have even
>>> been able to read or write, period.
>>Four hundred years ago, before much of Africa was explored by Europeans,
>>the literacy rate was near zero.  Name me some written languages of black
>>Africans.  They are few and very far between.  
> 
> Near zero, both sides... Funny how that is eh?   

You're joking, right?  Europeans had no written languages 400 years ago? 
Please.  So basically, all the novels that were written in France during
the Renaissance, all of Shakespeare's plays and novels and poems etc...
are just figments of my imagination.  The runic futhark system of the
Norsemen is just graffiti, right?  The carved standing stones in Ireland
and England (that are hundreds of years old) are just works of nature?   

(snip)
> Help save political prisoner Mumia-Abu Jamal from execution by the U.S.A

Haven't they fried him yet?  What the hell are they waiting for?



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Sylvie Charbonneau




From bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Sep 17 12:40:02 PDT 1995
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aloysius (cmlewis@usc.edu) writes:
> 
>    once again, mr. griswold, your IQ is showing.
> 
>    african art is some of the most beautiful in the world: sculpure,
> singing, dance, and many other forms of art that i have not yet had the
> pleasure of exploring.  i suppose that you did not know that the ancient
> greeks (upon whom quite a bit of western european culture is based)
> actually derived many of their techniques from ancient ethiopeans  (whom
> they described as a, and i quote, "godlike people").

So, lemme follow your logic here.  Western European culture is based on
Greek culture, which is based on Ethiopean culture.  So instead of saying
that Europe underdeveloped Africa, we can say that Africa underdeveloped
Africa.  Makes sense to me.

  this is a FACT that
> i read in a history textbook last semester, unfortunately i have not the
> exact data on hand at this time.  discard it as biased opinion if you
> must.
> 
I will.  It sounds like the same tripe that I was taught in university
that Cleopatra and Beethoven were black.

>    .just because europeans took paper from the asians and began painting
> material representaions of spiritual matters does not make them the more
> highly advanced culture.  quite the contrary; since all art is, in
> essence, derivatory, this would mean that, once again, nearly all european
> art can trace its ancestry back to eastern european roots.
> 
You're really reaching, you know that?

>    chuck berry (rock): elvis presley, buddy holly.
>    miles davis (jazz): kenny g.
>    al green (rhythm and blues):  michael bolton.
>    cab calloway  (big band):  gene autry.
>    bb king (blues):  eric clapton, led zeppelin.

Ah, yes, the inimitable BB King.  The man who after forty years of playing
music professionally, still can't strum a chord to save his life.  (his
words, not mine)

>    george clinton (funk): red hot chili peppers, mighty mighty bosstones.
>    jimi hendrix ("acid" rock): see MTV.
>    kurtis blow (rap):  house of pain.
>    bob marley (reggae):  snow, ace of base.
> 
>    and this is from my (very limited, thanks to american history
> textbooks) knowledge of prominent african american artists.  prince,
> michael jackson (yes, he is still "black", no matter what he does to his
> body), tlc, snoop...

Hell, you can claim boy-buggering Jackson, Prince "I'm not sure of my
sexuality" Snoop "blow away Whitey" Doggy Dogg and all those other weirdos
in your race as much as you want.  I sure don't want them or their
so-called music in my life.
 > 
>    face it, mr. griswold: black "art" is at least just as valid today as
> it was back in the dark continent (africa, that is).  the only thing that
> has changed is the locale.

I've yet to see an African statue that would rival any Michelangelo.

  and the odds against its success with the
> (very fearful) public eye.  why else the need to ban rap music?  nothing
> but a message and a beat--but then, why is mr. dole (and nearly every
> other good conservative) so fearful of its spread.

Yet blacks are the first to decry White power music.  But it's OK for them
to rap about sodomizing 12 year old White girls, shooting police officers,
rape, drugs, drive-bys, etc...
> 
>    because it will force its audience (the youth of america) to think. 

It does not force the audience to think, you nincompoop.  It drives the
audience into a state of barely controlled fury, so that they will lash
out against anyone who even remotely resembles someone with "power" (ie
Whites).

> rap will not sugarcoat its substance, nor will it "tone down" its madness
> just to suit the whims of "white" america.  the first truly uncensored
> black forum of national dialogue.  stop it before it destroys a nation,
> les.

I'm afraid it's almost too late for that.

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Sylvie Charbonneau




From bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Sep 17 12:40:02 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: Put on your Chap-Stik, liberals!  Aloysius is here!
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aloysius (cmlewis@usc.edu) writes:
> In article <43emgs$a7q@marvin.scsn.net>, RACIAL THEORIST  wrote:
> 
>> marlow@scsn.net (Marlow) wrote:
> 
>    first off, fuck you.  i speak by myself, for myself.  this newsgroup is
> simply yet another forum wherein i can develop both my social and
> analytical skills to the levels of excellence that i so desire.  tempering
> myself in the fire, so to speak.

If you promise to jump into the fire, I'll bring the gasoline...
> 
>    secondly, no one is kissing anyone's ass; what is being done is that
> people are showing solidarity beneath a common banner for a common good. 
> it is said that great leaders are made, and not born, and perhaps my
> destiny holds more in store for me than i wish to accept at this time. 
> but, if i find that the people if the people like what i have to say, i
> will continue to say it.  even caesar denied the crown three
> times--however, unlike caesar, i feel that i must be very wary of whom i
> choose to be my senators and allies.


Now you're comparing yourself to Caesar?  Pretty big ego you got there. 
And you say Whites have a superiority complex?  Why then did you not
choose a black historical figure to compare yourself to?  Couldn't find
one?   
>    thirdly, if i am an oxymoron, why do i exist?  it may be that i am
> simply here to prove to you that not everything that you believe to be
> true, is true.  i know this to be a fact of life in my mind; and i once
> again reiterate that i am in no way as intelligent as i would like to be,
> and i believe you to be no more intelligent than i (witness your
> repetitive posts).
> 
>    fourthly, maybe the most intelligent blacks are the quiet ones.  maybe
> they don't feel the need (as i do, currently) to address your ignorance
> head-on.  maybe they, like many of the new immigrants to this country,
> have simply accepted your small-mindedness as a universal matter; one
> which they have no intention of even bothering to attempt to understand.
> 
>     quite honestly, i think that i may the biggest threat that your
> close-minded 
> little newsgroup has ever seen.  but you fellas would never admit that to
> me, now would ya?

You're about as much of a threat to this newsgroup as Jeanne, Beebe,
Lizard, Bearcat and all of the other butt-kissing liberals.  To spell it
out for you, you are no threat at all.  In fact, you're doing us a favour.
 I used to have to try and relate examples of lack of logic in the black
race.  Now, everyone can see it for themselves.



--
Sylvie Charbonneau




From bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Sep 17 12:40:03 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: Idiots
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aloysius (cmlewis@usc.edu) writes:
> 
>    allow me to step down off my intellectual podium and address this asshole.
> (in other words: this one is coming straight from the heart...)
> 
>    what the fuck are you, man?  some kind of a backwoods genetic fuckup
> that somehow got a grip on how to utilize an online schematic?  why the
> fuck does "minority" automatically mean "black"?  Or do you want EVERYONE
> in the so-called minority grouping to go to Africa?  Are you that fucking
> threatened by the existence of other races?
> 
>    And do you know who the fuck is destroying Africa?  And South America? 
> And North America?  And the oceans?  And the intellect of the youth? 
> WHITE FUCKING CORPORATE AMERICA, YOU IDIOT!!! 
> WHITEFUCKINGCORPORATEAMERICA!!!
> 
>    BLACK PEOPLE do not CAUSE OIL SPILLS!!!

They didn't know what oil was before the White man showed them.
> 
>    BLACK PEOPLE do not CUT DOWN RAIN FORESTS!!!

You're joking, right?
> 
>    BLACK PEOPLE do not RAZE GRASSLANDS!!!

No, they just create deserts with their inept farming techniques and
millions of grazing goats.
 > 
>    BLACK PEOPLE do not TOXIFY LANDFILLS!!!
> 
>    BLACK PEOPLE do not BUILD UP NUCLEAR ARMAMENTS!!!

They don't have nuclear capability because of a lack of intelligence. 
Besides, would you want Uganda and Somalia to have nukes?
 > 
>    BLACK PEOPLE do not SYSTEMATICALLY OPRESS OTHER MINORITIES!!!

Ever heard of Liberia, and how the American mulattoes who returned there
enslaved the local darkies?
 > 
>    BLACK PEOPLE do not CUT EDUCATION SPENDING!!!

They don't contribute to education spending, either.
> 
>    BLACK PEOPLE do not EXPLOIT THIRD WORLD COUNTRIES!!!

Black countries ARE third world countries.  Check the U.N. listing of the
best countries on earth to live in.  White (and to some extent) and Asian
countries are at the top of the heap.  The bottom is exclusively reserved
for black and brown countries.
 > 
>    BLACK PEOPLE do not HAVE ENOUGH FUCKING POWER TO DO THESE THINGS!!!
> 
>    What you are doing is called: SCAPEGOATING.  It is an eighth-grade
> health and fitness term that refers to utilizing someone other than
> yourself to take responsibility for your own personal problems.  America
> has now taken this to a veritable art form, utilizing the young black male
> (whose sense of identity it has SYSTEMATICALLY DESTROYED over the past two
> hundred fucking years) as the epitome of a lost social cause.

Sounds like you're scapegoating Whites to feel responsible for your sorry
life.  Again, I ask you: how many acres of cotton did you pick?  How many
lashes of the whip have you received?  What was your White master's name?

  And you,
> and others like you, are falling for it hook, line and fucking sinker. 
> Despite the prominent use of blacks in the entertainment and political
> arena (Michael Jordan), and despite our many humanitarian efforts to
> promote the well-being of all people (Martin Luther King)--and despite our
> concentrated ability not to at least ATTEMPT to BURN YOUR WHOLE FUCKING
> COUNTRY DOWN for all the evils that you have perpetrated upon ALL RACES in
> the past--you still refuses to acknowledge that we are just as HUMAN as
> the next man.
> 
>    So fuck you.  And fuck your ignorance.  Until you sit down and work a
> few things out on you own, I doubt that there is very little that I can do
> to free you from your own little mental prison.
> 
>    Good luck in a multicultural world, bitch.
> 
>                                          aloysius (the non-radical radical)

There would be no racial strife in North America (and everywhere else, for
that matter) if it wasn't for multiculturalism (which I prefer to call
multi-racialism).  Why hasn't that crossed your mind at least once?  If I
WANTED to experience black culture (not that I ever would, of couse), I
would bloody well go to Africa, not to some White art gallery with a few
token pieces of black "art". 



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Sylvie Charbonneau




From bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Sep 17 12:40:04 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: Is ALOYSIUS a Putz?  Cast your votes...
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aloysius (cmlewis@usc.edu) writes:
>    pondering.
> 
>    wonedering if this witty banter is a waste of my precious little
> lifetime.  anyone out there awake?  alive?  halfway intelligent?  are you
> "white supremacists" paying any attention to the message behind the
> messages, or am i really that much more intellectually and spiritually
> evolved than the majority of you self-deluded "nordic" (um...yeah)
> warriors?
> 
>    or, as ice cube says: am i the nigga ya love...or the nigga ya love to hate?
> 
>    no use sticking around where you're not wanted, i say...
> 
>    ...and please avoid the obligatory "go back to Africa" response.
> 
>    if you can.
> 
>    Honestly, do you think that an intelligent black male opinion is a
> nessecity on this group, or is it just a waste of bandwidth?  I could
> happily be writing poetry right now instead of crusading against
> ignorance.
> 
>    Just curious...

Please, go back to writing your poetry.  I can just imagine how it goes:
	"Whitey's responsible for all my woes
	Evil Beavis sucks them toes
	I act real smart so dey won't see
	My intellectual poverty."

Whaddaya think?


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Sylvie Charbonneau




From bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Sep 17 12:40:05 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: N*GG*R
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aloysius (cmlewis@usc.edu) writes:
>> 
>> Translation: I wasn't expecting anybody to be able to debate me (and tear
>> my arguments to shreds) so I'll retreat while pretending to be too
>> intelligent to bother responding.  Here's a tip: it's been done before. 
>> If you can't bother to even try to put up a logical, reasonable debate,
>> get the hell out of here.
> 
>    dearest, sweetest slyvie, no one is pretending to be anything here. 
                       ^^^^^
Get it right.  "SYLVIE".  Not Sylvia, not Slyvie.

And I'm not your "dear".

> and no one is attacking your views. and no one is attempting to "retreat"
> in any shape form or fashion (however, if and when i do choose to leave
> this newsgroup, i will do it with the same sense of personal dignity and
> integrity as i had when i first entered).

Bull.
> 
>    what is being attempted, however, is a request for a more structured
> and sensible mode of exchange.  name-calling and insulting
> ("cannibalism"?), however fun it may be, is something that i grew tired of
> after the sixth grade.

You grew tired of it last year?

  it is not every day, however, that i get to speak
> openly (and INTELLIGENTLY) with an actual white supremacist.

"Supremacist"???  nope.  Racist?  Yep!!!
> 
>    debate?  what have you debated thus far?  all i've heard from you is
> "go back to africa."  well...point taken.  thank you for that deep and
> meaningful (and very original) exchange, sylvie.

Go check the messages again.  I've made some very valid points (and gotten
LOTS of fan mail).  Someone who in one breath claims that he has a 1290 SAT
yet in the next paragraph claims that his relatives are illiterate has
some work to do.  I would feel responsible for teaching my relatives to
read.  Why don't you?  You would rather the taxpayer fund it, because some
of your distant ancestors were slaves, right?  Why should we help you when
you won't help yourselves?
 > 
>    and, i have yet to "argue" with anyone.  i'm too busy asking questions...
> 
>    stop trying to be so feisty, sweetheart, and talk to me.
> 
>    suggestion: next post make a list of all the things that you do not
> like about other races (somehow, i am quite sure that "blacks" will top
> the charts).  point out to me why these things displease you, and exactly
> what you think should be done about them.  i promise not to "attack" your
> ideas.  i will simply observe them, and offer my own (perhaps similar)
> opinion.  radical concept, eh?
> 
>    now, with regards to you saying that i should teach my "illiterate"
> peers: maybe i should.  but right now, it's hard enough trying to get my
> own shit together (i am a black male, you know, and we are rather
> ignorant; bear with me) without having to worry about an educational
> deficiency over two hundred years old.  i am no minister of education.  i
> am no messiah.  the schools are there for those kids to educate
> themselves, and, unfortunately in these trying times, if they don't make
> the individual choice to pursue education for its own sake there is very
> little that i (or anyone) can do to change this.  me, i spent a lot of
> time in the library when i was young--it had nothing to do with race; that
> was simply how i was.  and now i truly believe that it is  better by far
> for me to be a role model in my own right than to be a failure at
> something that i do not feel would fully encompass my talents, nor be true
> to my nature.

So, in essence, you're passing the buck.
> 
>    that is simply my opinion, sylvie, "intelligent" or not. 

I would have to say "not".
> 
>    and if you can't accept my (sincere) apology for storming in here like
> a black man possessed, well, fuck it; i tried.
> 
>    odd that it worked so well, however.

Right.  So now we're supposed to believe that you planned that little
"black rage" bit?  I don't buy it.  Funny how you can go from being an
individual in one post, to a member of an "oppressed minority" in the
next.  Get it straight.



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From bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Sep 23 08:31:57 PDT 1995
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From: bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Sylvie Charbonneau)
Subject: Re: N*GG*R
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aloysius (cmlewis@usc.edu) writes:
>    sylvie:
> 
>    you seem to be very good at recounting facts, but not very good at
> applying said facts to real life.  luckily, i have now gained more insight
> into your condition: you used to be a "knee-jerk liberal", but something
> dramatic occurred in your life and you "woke up" to the harsh realities of
> american existence.

Uhh, that's Canadian existence.  Here's a hint: the CA at the end of
my address stands for Canada.  However, there's not much difference
between the two countries, except that the U.S. has guns and freedom of
speech, while we have medicare.
> 
>    good that you did; most of us do, eventually.  i, for one, have dealt
> with them firsthand for quite some time now; not as much as some, but no
> less than you, i am sure. and most "blacks" do on a daily basis, thus
> their extreme and aggravated perspectives on society.
> 
>    did the action that altered your own perspective require such a
> stubborn and grounded reaction?  why do you feel that your views are now
> so much better than the one's that you held before?

Simple.  I was a knee-jerk liberal because that was what was expected of
me from my professors at university, from my peers, from my co-workers,
>from  my elected leaders, etc...  Face it, we've all heard the old song and
dance that "there's only one race: the human race", blahblahblah...  So
when everyone around you says that you says you should believe something,
you sorta tend to.  Being from an all-White town, I knew nothing about
other races.  I came to this city with a fuzzy-minded equalitarian view on
life.  Experience is an excellent teacher.

  moreover, have you
> ever looked at the realities behind the facts that you read, the facts
> that you have decided are TRUE facts, and asked yourself why these things
> are happening in american society?

I don't live in a bubble with only books for company.  My feelings were
only reinforced by reading.  Experience is still the prime teacher in my
belief system. 

>    you sound as if you are afraid.  afraid that the "blacks" and other
> minorities are "coming to get you."  if so, why is this?  why would we
> have it out for you?  something that you might have done in the past,
> maybe?  hm...
> 
Ask Stephanie Kuhen what she ever did.  Are my sons next if I take a wrong
turn?

 >    you should never have been a "knee-jerk" liberal.  one should
never be
> a "knee-jerk" anything.  your mind should function of its own accord as
> much as possible;

...as long as it embraces a multi-cultural/racial view of the world, right?
Otherwise, it isn't functionning of it's own accord?  Something HAD to
have happened to me, right?

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Sylvie Charbonneau




From bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Sep 23 12:51:06 PDT 1995
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aloysius (cmlewis@usc.edu) writes:
> In article , bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Sylvie Charbonneau) wrote:
> 
(snip)
 
>> We know a lot about Greek and Roman culture because it is very well
>> documented, and we also have the relics and ruins to prove their
>> existence.  Where are the black African relics and ruins?
> 
>    still in africa i hope.

You mean you dream.  There are no black African relics and ruins.  Deal
with it.  

  i guess that they didn't feel this innate need
> to prove to themselves that they were a civilization by building temples
> and walled cities.  your whole argument smacks of one gigantic inferiority
> complex if you ask me...  ("my daddy makes more than your daddy!")

So they didn't build anything of value (ie temples, cities, buildings not
made out of wood or mud) because they were superior?  Please, explain that
one.
> 
>    your daddy is my daddy, sweetheart.  and my culture is your culture.

If I actually believed that, I would fall on my sword...
> 
>    and we're only going to get closer as time goes on, dear...

Sure, aloysius, get real close... closer... a little closer still... bang!!!!!
(gunshot misses aloysius by millimeters)

Close enough for ya?


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Sylvie Charbonneau




From bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Sep 23 16:30:50 PDT 1995
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From: bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Sylvie Charbonneau)
Subject: Re: N*GG*R
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aloysius (cmlewis@usc.edu) writes:
>> 
>> ...as long as it embraces a multi-cultural/racial view of the world, right?
>> Otherwise, it isn't functionning of it's own accord?  Something HAD to
>> have happened to me, right?
> 
>    hey, pretty lady, i never said you had to embrace anything.  i simply
> stated that you seem to be awfully anti-black for someone who has never
> been black herself.  you're judging men without having walked a day in
> their jockeys, so to speak.

Gods, can this be true????  So to be able to dislike someone (or
something, or some race etc...) I have to have been a member of said
group?  Do you realize how ridiculous that is?  And explain to me how I
could "walk a day in their jockeys"?  Is there a magic pill somewhere that
will turn me into a black man or woman?  Get a grip on reality here, will
you?  I dislike blacks FROM EXPERIENCE IN DEALING WITH THEM!  Why can't
anti-racists or one-worlder types ever get that through their thick skulls?
> 
>    regarding whether your children get shot (like Miss Kuhen's); i
> certainly hope not.  but i don't see how "white empowerment" is going to
> stop such random acts of violence from occurring.  one could even go so
> far as to say that "white power" is the reason for said violence.  the
> lack of "minority power" in america is a pretty infectious thing.

So now Kuhen was shot because she's a white power?  Amazing... how can
your mind wrap itself around such twisted logic?  She was three years old.
  How can you justify the brutal murder of an innocent child, and then say
that it's not the hispanic killers' fault, it White racists fault? 
	About the lack of "minority power" in America... have you ever
seen the t-shirts that say "Free O.J.... or L.A. burns!"?  Don't you
remember the fun little riots that were held when that drunken wife-beater
Rodney King got beaten (justifiably so)? (remeber, there were 53 dead
and over a billion dollars in damage in L.A. alone.) Haven't you heard about
all the fires that are lit on Hell night every year in Chicago by blacks? 
Don't you know that black thieves target White tourists in Florida?    How
about those charming little "quartiers" in Louisiana where Whites fear to
tread?

 Sounds to me like minorities have a lot of power.
> 
>    and how the hell can you make a valid comment on south central when yo
> live in cananda?  hell, i can't even make a valid comment on south
> central; i can only conjecture as to why these things happen.

Sometimes, a little distance tends to increase one's vision.  Hence the
expression "you can't see the forest for the trees".

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Sylvie Charbonneau




From bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Sep 24 07:53:07 PDT 1995
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From: bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Sylvie Charbonneau)
Subject: Re: N*GG*R
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Bearcat (bcat@netcom.com) writes:
> Sylvie Charbonneau (bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:

(snip) 
> 
> : There may be more White girls than black girls getting pregnant, but there
> : are lots more White girls out there.  What percentage of black girls vs
> : White girls are getting pregnant?
> 
> White girl pregnancy is on the rise at a faster rate than any other
> group.

Again, what's the ratio of black vs. White teen pregnancy?

(snip)
 
> : Then you know shit about runes.  Go back to school.
> 
> Sorry, Sylvie, but runes just aren't included. If they're
> so great, why were they not used instead of our current 
> alphabet?
 
If the Aztec alphabet was so great, why aren't we using that? 
>
(snip) 
> : I only said "hundreds" because I knew that if I said thousands, you would
> : have jumped all over my back saying "some of those standing stones have
> : been carbon dated in the early 1110's" "you're a liar", etc....  
> 
> Likely story.
> 
> : giving the benefit of the doubt.  But, back to my point: the European
> : standing stones are "pimitive(sic), pathetic shit"???  Tell me, is
> : Stonehenge primitive?  If so, I'd like to see you raise one without the
> : benefit of modern machinery.  And where are these Native American
> : monuments that are so impressive?  Do you mean the small man-shaped rock
> : piles that the Inuit raise every so often?
> 
> North American Natives had the same sort of enourmous mounds that the
> primitive northern Euros had, many much larger and more elaborate.

Notice the words "primitive northern Euros".  Now, the Europeans didn't
stay at that primitive level, now did they?  Show me an Indian burial
mound that can rival anything Europeans did once they moved out of the
Neolithic era.  You see, the Indians were still stone-aged primitives when
the Vikings first set foot here in the tenth century.  When Columbus came
here 400 years later, nothing had changed.  Doesn't that tell you something? 
 > 
> Stonhenge is quite primitive when compared to the magnificent 
> cities and pyramids erected by the Aztec, Mayans, Olmec, Inca
> and more. How can you even compare it with the pyramids of
> Egypt? Still, I really like stonehenge. I think it's beautiful.
> It's just pathetic to see you guys try to blow yourselves out of
> all proportion, always without any awareness of our true position
> in world history.

It's pathetic trying to see you make up grandiose claims for non-Whites. 
It's even more pathetic seeing you try to convince yourself that Indian
burial mounds could ever equal anything produced in Europe.  


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Sylvie Charbonneau




From bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Sep 24 07:53:08 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: N*GG*R
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Andy Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
>   :Haven't you heard about
>   :all the fires that are lit on Hell night every year in Chicago by blacks? 
> 
> You misspelt "Detroit". HTH.

Oh, big deal... I got the city wrong... crucify me, why don't you?  After
all, it's easy to mistake a bunch of black savages in one city for another.
 > 
>   :Don't you know that black thieves target White tourists in Florida?
> 
> Black, ewhite, and hispanic thives in Florida target foreign tourists.
> It's not a racial issue, but a practical one--foreigners are not armed,
> where locals are likely to be.

You're kidding, right?  Try and stay in the real world, will you? 
Hispanic and black thieves target foreign tourists in Florida WAY out of
proportion to their numbers.
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Sylvie Charbonneau




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aloysius (cmlewis@usc.edu) writes:
>> 
>> Gods, can this be true????  So to be able to dislike someone (or
>> something, or some race etc...) I have to have been a member of said
>> group? 
> 
>    once again, i never said such a thing.  i merely stated that you were
> very quick to judge something that you only had an outsider's perspective
> of.  i don't judge people, white or black, on what others of their "kind"
> have done.  all that i ask is that you do the same.  the choice (which you
> seem to have already made) is yours.

My judgement wasn't made quickly, as you would like to believe.  Do you
seriously think I woke up one morning and decided to "hate" non-Whites for
no particular reason?
> 
>> So now Kuhen was shot because she's a white power?  Amazing... how can
>> your mind wrap itself around such twisted logic?  She was three years old.
>>   How can you justify the brutal murder of an innocent child, and then say
>> that it's not the hispanic killers' fault, it White racists fault? 
> 
>    again, i did not say that Miss Kuhen was a member of the "white power"
> movement.  (i do so wish that you people would stop trying to think for
> me; it is annoying, not to mention rude.)  i was merely stating that i
> believe that minority disenfrachisement is at the root of the violence and
> despair in american society.  above said hispanic youths might not be gang
> members if they felt that they were treated as equal members of american
> society.  (why else attack an innocent white family?)

To get their jollies?  To get one up on Whitey?  Because they're
uncivilized savages?  Face it.  The only reason they shot this family was
because they knew they could get away with it.  If they knew that they
would have been hauled out to the nearest tree and given a free necktie,
do you think this would have happened?
	I'm sick of this "minority disenfranchisement" garbage.  For the
most part, you don't see Asians acting like barbarians.  Why do hispanics
and blacks think they can get away with it?
>  
>>  Sounds to me like minorities have a lot of power.
> 
>    yes.  we are all politicians, police chiefs, and chief executive officers.

Why didn't you leave the entire quote up?  Tell me, if O.J. is convicted,
do you think that the blacks are going to hold a sing-along?  No.  They
will riot, loot, rape and burn, so much so that the Rodney King riots will
look like a day trip to Disneyland.  Minorities have a lot of power, since
nobody DARES to oppose them.
>> 
>> Sometimes, a little distance tends to increase one's vision.  Hence the
>> expression "you can't see the forest for the trees".
> 
>    please.  or, rather, let me put it more appropriately for you:
> 
>    sometimes a little distance let's us hide from the things that we do
> not want to deal with firsthand.

Hiding?  No, I would call it avoiding.  To me, avoiding being mugged, shot
at, raped or killed is a good thing.  I would rather not deal with these
things firsthand.  Would you?

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Sylvie Charbonneau




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Subject: Re: The scariest sound in the world...
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aloysius (cmlewis@usc.edu) writes:
> 
>    no, nowadays the klan just self-destructs.  and the fact that i don't
> even know what happenned to my REAL father ought to tell you something
> about how much the "american system" has fucked up the "black-american"
> family.

Lemme guess.  Your mother was a teenager, and your daddy left her holding
the bag after he found out she was a little bit pregnant, right?   Sounds
about typical.
> 
>    the father that i did know was (and still is) an alcoholic.  he has
> beaten by the police many a time (i even watched them shoot at him once
> when i about 7), and is currently unemployed and living with his mother. 
> he just recently got out of jail again for "assaulting" an officer.

Again, you're making my case for me.  Why was your father assaulting an
officer?  And they were shooting him for no reason, right?  If your
"father" is an unemployed alcoholic, where is he getting the money to
drink with?  Is he selling drugs or stealing cars, perhaps?
 
>    the large majority of my older cousins are either in (or passing
> through) the penitentiary (males), or are ex-teenage mothers (females). 
> many of the males have, and still do, sell drugs.  most of them have been
> shot, sometimes by one another.  frightening, since i grew up with most of
> them, knew them personally, and, in retrospect, can't even conceive of how
> they turned out the way they did.  
>
Weren't you just saying that blacks have no more of a high teen pregnancy
rate than Whites do?  None of my cousins had children out of wedlock. NONE. 
Most of yours did.  Doesn't that tell you something?  Why are most of your
cousins in the pen?  Are you telling me that the White American justice
system put them there for absolutely no reason?  Even you can't believe
that...
 
>    it really and truly hurts me to think about it: only ten years ago we,
> as children, were out building go-carts and chasing fireflies.  now they
> have a criminal record, and little, if any, chance of leading a productive
> life in american society.  me, i made it to college.  go figure.
>
Guess you just got lucky.  Tends to agree with the statistics I heard on
the radio that 25% of all black males between the ages of 18-35 are either
in jail, on parole, going through the courts or out on bail.  And that's
just the ones they catch...

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Sylvie Charbonneau




From bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Sep 25 07:22:53 PDT 1995
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Subject: Liberals and Care-Bears
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Setting: A peaceful area of the forest, where all the little care bears
are romping about, playing and singing.

Braveheart Bear (actually, he's a lion, but go figure, played by aloysius)
	"Isn't it wonderful that all we Care Bears, all of different
colours and breeds, can play together and be friends?"

Birthday Bear (played by Jeanne):  "o"Of course, Braveheart.  Only evil
No-Hearts don't play together."

Bedtime Bear (played by Steve Garza): "I'm sleepy.  All of this trying to
defeat the No-Hearts is making me tired."

Sunshine Bear (played by Civilized Man): "Those devils!  Look, the
worldwide Care-o-Meter has just dropped to its lowest level yet.  There
must be some new No-Hearts out there."

I-love-you Bear (played by Mike Beebe): "Get ready to care!  We're going
to LOVE them out of existence!"

SCENE 2:  Into the No-Hearts' realm!

Sunshine Bear: "Boy, it sure is dark in here!  I KNEW these No-Hearts
lived in a cave!"

Birthday Bear: "Hold my hand, I-love-you Bear!  I'm scared!"

I-love-you Bear: "Don't worry, Birthday Bear.  As long as we all love each
other, nothing bad can happen!"

Braveheart Bear: "You're right.  These evil No-Hearts are no match for our
caring.  Just let me at them!  I'LL rid the world of their evil!"

(sound of thunder and lightning)

All: "Eeeekkk!  It's the No-Hearts!"

(Care-Bears engage in a group hug, when they see all of the No-Hearts
lined up for battle: Les No-Heart, Sylvie No-Heart, Aryan Crusader
No-Heart, Rev. Ron No-Heart, McKinstry No-Heart, Marcus No-Heart, Teri
No-Heart, etc... apologies for all the other No-Hearts not mentioned by name)

Braveheart Bear: "OH NO!  We've got to defeat them and make the world safe
for bears of ALL colours!  Line up for a Care-Bear countdown!"

Sunshine Bear: "Everybody ready!  3 - 2 - 1, CARE!"



COMING SOON: will the Care-Bears be triumphant, or will the No-Hearts
prevail?  Stay tuned...



--
"Protect us, oh Lord, from the wrath of the Northmen"
	- taken from the English Book of Prayer -

Sylvie Charbonneau


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Subject: Liberals and Care-Bears, part 2
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(fuck it, I can't remember any more of the Care-Bears by name)

(SCENE 3: Raggedy Bear, Sub-genius Bear and Lizard Bear come back from
their "caring/finding the inner-warrior" meeting in the woods, only to
find their caring friends gone)

Lizard Bear: "I wonder where they could have gone?  It's not like them to
leave all at once!"

Sub-genius Bear: "Look!  Here's a note!  They went to fight the evil
No-Hearts!"

Raggedy Bear: "We MUST go help them!"



SCENE 4: In the No-Hearts' realm, the Care-Bears cower as shadows loom
over them.


Braveheart Bear: "Oh, no!  Our caring powers don't seem to be working!  We
must try harder!"

Sunshine Bear: "You devils!  Don't you know that we Care-Bears BUILT this
cave?  You  have no right to it!"

Birthday Bear: "Les No-Heart!  Tell me how old your son is!  I wanna send
him a birthday card, just to show I care!"

Bedtime Bear: "You guys want an apple-seed milkshake?  Then we can all lie
down and be friends!"

I-love-you Bear: "If you guys will stop being evil, I'll stop calling your
service providers!  Can't we all just get along?"

Sunshine Bear: "Hey!  That was MY line, you devil!  Oops, sorry, wrong group!"



COMING SOON: Lizard Bear, Sub-genius Bear and Raggedy Bear to the rescue!

--
"Protect us, oh Lord, from the wrath of the Northmen"
	- taken from the English Book of Prayer -

Sylvie Charbonneau


From bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Sep 25 07:22:55 PDT 1995
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From: bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Sylvie Charbonneau)
Subject: Liberals and Care-Bears, part 3
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SCENE 5: To the rescue!

No-Hearts, in unison: "Your time has come, you puny Care-Bears!"

(the No-Hearts let loose their evil racist magic, and it meets the
Care-Bears' magic head-on)

Birthday Bear: "Oh, no!  They're too strong for us!  If they keep this up,
I won't be celebrating ANY more birthdays!"

Bedtime Bear: "I'm getting tired now!  Can I go to sleep?"

Sunshine Bear: "You stupid devil!  We can't rest until we've rid the world
of their evil!"

I-love-you Bear: "We've got to care HARDER!  Everyone together now!"

Braveheart Bear: "Look!  Here comes some more Care-Bears!  We be SURE to win 
now!"

(Lizard Bear, Sub-genius Bear, and Raggedy Bear, along with the Jewish
Care-Bears, such as Rosenburg Bear, Stein Bear, Katz Bear, Keren Bear, and
Freedburg Bear, all wearing yarmulkes, come to join the fray)

Rosenburg Bear: "Oy vey!  Where's the sheep?"

Katz Bear: "The Talmud says we should all get along, even the goyim!"

Keren Bear: "Those evil No-Hearts are probably all revisionists, too! 
Let's exterminate them!"

Braveheart Bear: "Everybody ready for another Care-Bear countdown? 3 - 2 -
1, CARE!"

(the Care-Bears put forth their best effort, and seem to be winning!)

No-Hearts, in unison: "You can't defeat us, you puny weaklings!  Take
THAT!"

(the No-Hearts unleash their power, and the Care-Bears scatter helplessly,
only to be slaughtered.  There was fun-fur and stuffing everywhere!)

Aryan Crusader No-Heart: "Hell, that was easy!  And we didn't even need to
drop a nuke!"

Les No-Heart: "I KNEW they were weak!  It was so OBVIOUS!"

Rev. Ron No-Heart (absently walks over to the stuffing and kicks it with
his boot): "THERE'S your sheep, Rosenburg-Bear!"

Sylvie No-Heart: "Well, my fellow No-Hearts, it looks like we've made the
world safe for all the little No-Heart children!  NOW we can all just get
along!"


(wild applause from crowd, curtain drops)

--
"Protect us, oh Lord, from the wrath of the Northmen"
	- taken from the English Book of Prayer -

Sylvie Charbonneau


From bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Sep 26 10:19:30 PDT 1995
Article: 4487 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Sylvie Charbonneau)
Subject: Why are black nationalists afraid to use their names?
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I mean, seriously folks...  We have Civilized Man (what a joke), aria,
formerly known as aloysius, Abdou Kama (or whatever the hell his name is).
 What are these people afraid of?  Why won't they use their real names? 
Are they perhaps hiding something (like a criminal record, an APB?)  C'mon
guys, you can tell me... I won't squeal, I promise....


--
"Protect us, oh Lord, from the wrath of the Northmen"
	- taken from the English Book of Prayer -

Sylvie Charbonneau


From bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Oct  1 08:13:40 PDT 1995
Article: 3515 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Sylvie Charbonneau)
Subject: Book Review for Daybreak, by Belva Plain
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I was reading this book the other day.  The jacket said that it was a
story of two children mixed up at birth.  "What the hell", I thought.  It
sounded like it was interesting.  The basic plot is that a nice couple
lose their son to cystic fibrosis.  Tragic, but it happens.  But there's
no history of it anywhere in their family, and since it's inherited, how
could that be?  They do a bit of digging and find out that their son was
switched at birth.  When they approach the family of their real son, they
find out that the father is a racist (big surprise here, right?).  But
wait, it gets better.  The son is a racist as well, and he writes for this
"neo-nazi" paper with his girlfriend.  Surprise, surprise!!!  His real
parents turn out to be jews (predictably).  So he has to deal with the
fact that he has become the thing he hates most.  At the end, after his
not-real father gets mowed down at a Klan rally and his girlfriend dumps
him for being a jew, he comes to accept his jewish origins and embraces his
new family.

	Now, this is probably the sorriest excuse for a book that I've
read in a long time.  I advise everyone to stay away from it.  The only
reasons I was able to finish it were because it was short (a Reader's
Digest Condensed Book that I received as a gift), and I wanted to see just
how many plot twists the author would try to throw in there to make her
premise stick.

	A short quote from her bio should explain her motivations:

"For Belva Plain the subject of discrimination comes especially close to
home.  Although her own Jewish ancestors left Europe for America more than
a century ago, a great-aunt remained behind, married, and had children and
grandchildren.  'Those were my second cousins,' the author explains, 'and
except for two people, that family was killed in Auschwitz.'"


Please, all you racially conscious White folks out there: this book is so
putrid, I wouldn't use it to line a birdcage.  Don't make the mistake of
buying or reading it.  It is complete garbage.  Maybe some second hand
bookstore will take it off my hands for a quarter.  If not, it'll make
good flammable material for the Yule bonfire.


--
"Protect us, oh Lord, from the wrath of the Northmen"
	- taken from the English Book of Prayer -

Sylvie Charbonneau


From bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Oct  1 08:16:43 PDT 1995
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From: bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Sylvie Charbonneau)
Subject: Book review for Daybreak, by Belva Plain
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I was reading this book the other day.  The jacket said that it was a
story of two children mixed up at birth.  "What the hell", I thought.  It
sounded like it was interesting.  The basic plot is that a nice couple
lose their son to cystic fibrosis.  Tragic, but it happens.  But there's
no history of it anywhere in their family, and since it's inherited, how
could that be?  They do a bit of digging and find out that their son was
switched at birth.  When they approach the family of their real son, they
find out that the father is a racist (big surprise here, right?).  But
wait, it gets better.  The son is a racist as well, and he writes for this
"neo-nazi" paper with his girlfriend.  Surprise, surprise!!!  His real
parents turn out to be jews (predictably).  So he has to deal with the
fact that he has become the thing he hates most.  At the end, after his
not-real father gets mowed down at a Klan rally and his girlfriend dumps
him for being a jew, he comes to accept his jewish origins and embraces his
new family.

	Now, this is probably the sorriest excuse for a book that I've
read in a long time.  I advise everyone to stay away from it.  The only
reasons I was able to finish it were because it was short (a Reader's
Digest Condensed Book that I received as a gift), and I wanted to see just
how many plot twists the author would try to throw in there to make her
premise stick.

	A short quote from her bio should explain her motivations:

"For Belva Plain the subject of discrimination comes especially close to
home.  Although her own Jewish ancestors left Europe for America more than
a century ago, a great-aunt remained behind, married, and had children and
grandchildren.  'Those were my second cousins,' the author explains, 'and
except for two people, that family was killed in Auschwitz.'"

Please, all you racially conscious White folks out there: this book is so
putrid, I wouldn't use it to line a birdcage.  Don't make the mistake of
buying or reading it.  It is complete garbage.  Maybe some second hand
bookstore will take it off my hands for a quarter.  If not, it'll make
good flammable material for the Yule bonfire.


--
"Protect us, oh Lord, from the wrath of the Northmen"
	- taken from the English Book of Prayer -

Sylvie Charbonneau
--
"Protect us, oh Lord, from the wrath of the Northmen"
	- taken from the English Book of Prayer -

Sylvie Charbonneau


From bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Oct  1 08:16:44 PDT 1995
Article: 4925 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Sylvie Charbonneau)
Subject: Mixed race children
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I saw the strangest thing at the indoor playground at the mall the other
day.  A little boy, about four years old, walked by me to go to the slide.
 His Asian father and White mother were with him.  I then noticed that he
had two completely different eye shapes.  The left eye was shaped like an
asian's (slanted and squinty), while the right eye was shaped like a
White's.  Has anyone else ever seen something like this?  Was this a
possible birth defect, or could it just be a case of genetic mixing gone awry?
Just wondering...

--
"Protect us, oh Lord, from the wrath of the Northmen"
	- taken from the English Book of Prayer -

Sylvie Charbonneau



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