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From: aelebouthill@csupomona.edu
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination
Subject: Re: White Denial
Date: 2 May 94 22:59:45 PST
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> I didn't say it, but whitey is denying me rights.
 
That's probably not true. What is the truth is that you want some
special privileges that someone doesn't want to give you. You don't
have a right to be liked and you don't have a right to someone else's
property (despite what the government says).
 
> I believe racism will remain a part of society.
 
I certainly hope so.
 
> What we as black people must do is unite.
 
But that would be racism (or is it only racism when white people unite?).
 
As is typical, you are a hypocritical black who decries racism when it's
done by whites but advocates it when it's for blacks. Racism, the promotion
of one's race, is a good thing. Both blacks and whites should promote their
race. Unfortunately, what you want is to promote the black race's interests
at the white race's expense and contrary to the white race's interests.
 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
                                  APendragon
                          AELeBouthill@CSUPomona.Edu
We must secure the existence of our people and a future for White children
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From: aelebouthill@csupomona.edu
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Subject: Re: White Power: a movement or myth?!
Date: 2 May 94 21:50:22 PST
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> to my understanding and in discussion with white power advocates such as
> jason of the hammerskins, white power is just a movement based on racism,
> hate, and ignorance.
 
To my understanding and from observing these anti-White advocates such
as Frank and -ME-, these various anti-White viewpoints are based on
hypocracy, hatred and ignorance.
 
White Power is founded on racism. Racism is good. The White race is good.
 
> i might take this whole white power thing seriously if someone can
> intelligently  give me a good reason why this whole movement/myth
> started and how substantial it is.
 
The White Power Movement is insubstantial. It consists of Jason, Jeff,
myself and four guys named Moe. I wouldn't bother yourself with us. Go
back to reading about Yacob the big-headed scientist.
 
The Movement started two weeks ago while I was drinking a beer and
chatting with Jason. Don't worry, White Power is not important to you.
 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
                                  APendragon
                          AELeBouthill@CSUPomona.Edu
We must secure the existence of our people and a future for White children
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From: aelebouthill@csupomona.edu
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Subject: Re: White Denial
Date: 3 May 94 09:10:33 PST
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> I do not consider it racism for a particular group of people to unite in
> order to accomplish a desired goal.
 
I do (when the basis of that unity is race); however, I don't think that
racism is bad. In fact, I am not saying that you shouldn't do that, only
that you should admit that you are a racist. Contrary to what most
dictionaries say, racism is not the hatred of other races; racism is
devotion to one's race.
 
> Unity is what allows man to succeed as a whole and not one by one.
 
Right, right, but what is the basis of your social group? Race. Therefore,
you are advocating that the people of one social group defined by their
race promote their own interests as individuals and as a collective
group.
 
> Where did you decide that I wanted to promote the black race's interests
> at the white race's expense.  Or would allowing or giving equal
> opportunity for blacks to compete and succeed in this country be an
> expense for you?
 
Yes. The only way your "equal opportunity" arises is by denying Whites
their association and property rights. Your multi-racial society can
only come at the expense of Whites' rights and desires for separation
and self-determination.
 
> I'm not asking for a hand out. I don't want Mr. CEO to give me a position
> on the Board of Directors.  What I do want is to be recognized when such
> a position is deserved.
 
No, what you want is to force that individual to hire you because you
think you are of equal value to him despite his possible wishes to do
otherwise. You want to force him to hire people on YOUR basis of value
instead of his own.
 
> The leaders of these organizations are white.  Probably 95%.
 
So? What's the problem? Whites constituted 90% of the population up until
thirty years ago. Today, we account for approximately 75% of the population.
Moreover, blacks don't own those institutions, whites (often) do.
 
> Isn't that enough to raise questions regarding the equality of the system?
 
Not for me. There are a lot of different factors that go into the
hiring practices and ethnic makeup of various corporations. Moreover,
I think that ethnic groups should organize themselves as ethnic/racial
groups in order to promote their own personal benefit as well as to
benefit their ethnic/racial group.


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From: aelebouthill@csupomona.edu
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Subject: Re: White Power: a movement or myth?!
Date: 3 May 94 09:15:43 PST
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> The great number of my posts have citations of books and where I got the
> material of whence I speak. None of you Nazi-types has ventured to refute
> me or even give resources when I ask.
 
That's because I agreed with some of it.
 
> As for hypocrisy, you've not pointed it out before or cited anything
> specifically that shows it.
 
I wasn't refering to you in this case.
 
> Now as for hatred...  heh heh			
 
Feels good doesn't it? Don't decry us for "hatred" when you yourself
find it such a pleasant feeling. You don't like us, we don't expect
you to like us. Don't demand the same of us.
 
> Wasn't one of the fascists whining about -ME- being a coward for not
> using a surname?
 
I am not sure that the person to whom you are refering is a fascist. Also,
I don't think it is cowardly to use a psuedonym (Sometimes the realities of
work, school and other responsibilities require discussion of these issues
anonymously). Heck, I'm not even sure that -ME- is black. He sounds
too stereotypical to be real.
 
Also, be careful with the word 'fascist' because it has a meaning.
 
> "Our people". No comment!
 
Why not comment on it? Let's comment on it. We Whites are a different
people (and we wish to remain a different people) from blacks, indians,
mexicans or whomever else. We consider ourselves to be an ethnic and
racial group worth maintaining at all costs. "Our" people are different
from "your" people or from any other people.
 
> Loves and kisses,   --Frank  
 
I don't care what Steve might say, Frank, you're O.K.
 
Arthur LeBouthillier
Better Living Through White Power


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From: aelebouthill@csupomona.edu
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Subject: Re: White Denial
Date: 4 May 94 23:54:48 PST
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dlh@duke.edu (Darryl Hamilton) asks:
 
> So are you saying that you feel that whites shouldn't have to compete
>  with non whites for jobs etc..?
 
The competition is natural and will occur; however, I don't think that
the conditions should be created such that our own culture is destroyed
in order to compete. We must have full control of all of our own cultural
institutions and they must not be turned into profit-making endeavors.
 
Arthur LeBouthillier
The White race must survive.
 


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From: aelebouthill@csupomona.edu
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Subject: FAQ: WHITE POWER
Date: 5 May 94 10:25:09 PST
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                        FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS
                              WHITE POWER
 
WHITE POWER
-----------
 
What is White Power?
 
   White Power is an empowering philosophy of White racial nationalism and
   ethnicity. It refers to a diverse range of philosophies from leftist
   National Socialism, to White Pride, to rightist White Supremacy. Perhaps
   the simplest imperative about what White Power stands for exists in
   the "14 words" coined by former Bruder Schweigen member, David Lane:
 
                  We must secure the existence of our people
                  and a future for White children.
 
Where does the term White Power come from?
 
   Although it is possibly a response to black nationalist Stokely
   Carmichael's book _Black_Power_, the phrase "White Power" was a
   popular term coined by participants at a George Lincoln Rockwell
   rally in Marquedt Park, Illinois in 1967. Spontaneously the
   attendants started rallying behind the call for White Power. It
   has been a popular phrase since then and was the title of George
   Lincoln Rockwell's book _White_Power_.
 
What is an Aryan?
 
   Aryan is a term that many ancient Indo-European peoples called
   themselves. It means "good," "best," or "noble." The ancient
   Hindus called themselves Aryans and derivitives of this term
   are evident in the country-names of Erin (Ireland) and Iran (Aryan).
   Today, some people of the European branch of Indo-Europeans call
   themselves that as a unique indicator of who they are and what their
   ideals are.
 
What is ZOG?
 
   ZOG (for Zionist Occupation Government ) is a euphamism for those
   governments which purport to represent white people while actually
   subscribing to an anti-white agenda. These governments often put
   "Israel First," while seconding the interests and desires of racial
   and nationalist whites for the interests of multi-racial societies and
   world government.
 
Aren't all White Power advocates White supremacists
 
    No. Supremacy refers to an alleged right to rule over other races.
    Although some White Power people are White Supremacists, many are
    not. Those who are not supremacists are actually White nationalists or
    separatists and advocate for the formation of a White homeland in
    a manner which does not deny the human rights of non-whites.
 
What differences are there in White Power groups?
 
   There are many different viewpoints collected under the term White Power.
   A few of the philosophical viewpoints are:
 
    Supremacists - Supremacist arguments state that the White race is
       inherently superior and therefore is justified in ruling over
       other peoples. They often state that Whites assuming power over
       all of the earth's inhabitants is doing them a favor since Whites
       are the only people superior enough to make good judgements.
 
    National Socialists - based on Adolf Hitler's doctrine as outlined
       in his book Mein Kampf, the adherents of this viewpoint often
       don't see this as a "right-wing" cause but rather as a racially
       progressive left-wing movement. National Socialism is founded
       on several doctrines: nationalism, the long-view of history and
       racism. It adheres to the viewpoint of The Leader Principle
       whereby a people are best led by strong leaders rather than by
       their inherent weaknesses which democracy brings out.
 
    Christian Identity - this religious doctrine believes that Whites
       are the true Israelites described in the bible. It adheres to a
       doctrine of two-creations in Genesis whereby God created all of
       the other animals and races and then created the Adamic (White)
       race. They cite the fact that Adam means "able to show blood in
       the face" which would refer uniquely to the White race. They also
       believe that Jesus's message has become corrupted because he did
       not come for all peoples, but as said in Matthew 15:24 "I am not
       sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel."
 
    White Nationalists - this refers to a number of ideological viewpoints
       which view the White race as an ethnic nation which must have its
       own homeland in order to survive. Its adherents believe that the
       only state which can legitimately represent the White race is one
       which is purposely organized to represent it.
 
    Separatists - this catch-all identifier applies to many people who
       are not ideological at all. They merely recognize that we Whites
       are a different people and that we must survive as a people. They
       advocate the separation of the races, usually in different
       homelands for the different races.
 
    Often, many of these viewpoints are expressed within a single group.
    The members of these groups bring differing ideas about what the goals
    of White Power should be, what programs can best attain its ideals
    and how a White nation-state should be organized. But, despite these
    differences they are all agreed on one point: The White race must
    survive.
 
What is a race?
 
    The word race derives from the Spanish word raza which means "line."
    It refers to genetic lineage. A race is a lineal ethnic group which
    because of its genetic heritage, exhibits unique phenotypic features
    or patterns. However, despite these genetic features, race also
    refers to an ethnicity and an ethnic identity that is based on these
    features. As racists use the term, it is not equivalent to the
    biological word "race" which is merely a sub-breeding group of a
    species. Although as racists use the term a race is a sub-breeding
    group of the human species, it also refers to a set of group ideals
    and norms consistent with the maintenance of that ethnic group.
 
What is racism?
 
    Racism is the promotion of a race and its interests. It refers to a
    desire to maintain a unique ethnic identity closely bound to the
    physical characteristics that define that group. It also refers to
    a whole body of social norms which are consistent with maintaining
    that group and promoting a society which is consistent with racial
    ideals.
 
What is race-mixing?
 
    Race-mixing is the mixing of races, also known as miscegenation.
    The term "race-mixer" refers to those who advocate mixed-race
    societies as an ideal and those who engage in sexual relations with
    those of other races. Race-mixing is highly frowned upon by racists
    and race-mixers are often severely admonished.
 
What is a Hammerskin?
 
   In Pink Floyd's _The_Wall_ movie, there is a video segment sung to
   the tune "Up against the Wall," where Pink takes on the visage of
   a powerful leader. During this sequence, hundreds of skinheads march
   through the street and chase the "Pakis" (Pakastanis) out of England.
   Although the movie is largely opposed to that viewpoint, young skinheads
   were emboldened by the image of strength and came to call themselves
   Hammerskins. As these groups spread throughout the U.S. and Canada,
   they took on regional prefixes like: Western Hammerskins, Northern
   Hammerskins, Confederate Hammerskins and other names.
 
Why do you hate?
Why do you hate Jews?
Why do you hate Blacks?
Why do you hate everybody?
 
   White Power advocates love their race. Because of that, they are
   strongly opposed to any attempts to harm it by means of loss of
   territory, loss of economic or political self-determination,
   disenfranchisement or race mixing. In order to preserve their race
   and its interests, they are often willing to engage in hostile
   acts against perceived threats to it.
 
Why don't you get a life?
 
    White Power advocates do have lives which are based on different
    principles and ideals from those of race-mixers.
 
CONTEMPORARY BOOKS ON WHITE POWER
---------------------------------
 
The following are somewhat "objective" in their appraisal of White Power
advocates:
 
    Blood In the Face by James Ridgeway
 
    The New Reich: Violent Extremism in unified Germany and beyond
       by Michael Schmidt
 
    Skinheads shaved for battle: a cultural history of American Skinheads
	by Jack B. Moore
 
    The Silent Brotherhood: Inside America's Racist Underground
        by Kevin Flynn and Gary Gerhardt
 
The following are heavily biased against White Power and often misrepresent it:
 
    Free to Hate: The rise of the right in post-communist Eastern Europe
        by Paul Hockenos
 
    Brotherhood of Murder
        by Thomas Martineze with John Guinther
 
    Skinhead Streetgangs
        by Loren Christensen. Paladin Books ISBN 0-87364-756-4
 
    Any ADL publication
 
MAGAZINE ARTICLES ABOUT WHITE POWER AND WHITE POWER SKINHEADS
-------------------------------------------------------------
 
    "Mainstream" Hatred by Mira L. Boland, ADL in The Police Chief
    magazine, June 1992 (other articles can be found in that issue
    and in other issues).
 
    Hitler's Offspring by Martin A. Lee in The Progressive, March 1993
 
    Hatred Rising: The Sound of Jackboots in Europe and Russia
        by Derek Ingram in World Press Review February 1994
 
    Inside South London's Nazi Headquarters
        in New Statesman and Society (British magazine) January 1993
 
    Long Day's Journey Into White by Kathy Dobie,
        in The Village Voice April 28, 1992
 
WHITE POWER NEWSLETTERS, NEWSPAPERS AND MAGAZINES
-------------------------------------------------
 
   WAR P.O. Box 65 Fallbrook Ca. 92088
 
   The War Eagle P.O. Box 6881 Champaign Illinois 61826
 
   Aryan Nations/Church of Jesus Christ Christian
   P.O. Box 362 Hayden, Idaho 83835
 
   New Order
     by NSDAP-AO P.O. Box 6414 Lincoln, Nebraska 68506
 
   Plexus: A National Socialist Theoretical Journal
     by National Worker's League P.O. Box 642376 Omaha Ne 68164-8376
 
   National Vanguard
     by National Alliance P.O. Box 330 Hillsboro WV 24946
 
   NS Kindred P.O. Box 256 N.S.J. Ca 95960
 
   Aryan Free Press Books P.O. Box 6853 Champaign Illinois 61826
 
   The Balance
   C/O Cause
   1101 Post Oak Blvd. Suite 9497
   Houston, TX 77056
 
   Stormfront: Forecast for Tomorrow
   P.O. Box 6637
   West Palm Beach, FL 33405
   
   Instauration
   Howard Allen Enterprises, Inc.
   Box 76
   Cape Canaveral, Florida 32920
   $20/year students $30/year regular
 
 
MUSIC, T-SHIRTS, SKINZINES
--------------------------
 
For North American White Power music, contact:
 
                       Resistance Records
                       P.O. Box 24700
                       Detroit, Michigan
                       48224, U.S.A.
 
                       Krowbar Records
                       P.O. Box 40383
                       Baton Rouge, Louisiana
                       70835-0383, USA
 
                       Totenkopf Services
                       1040 S. Mount Vernon
                       Suite 123
                       Colton, CA
                       92324, USA
 
For all Skrewdriver T-Shirts or CD's, contact:
 
                       Renewal of Identity (R.I.D.)
                       P.O. Box 249
                       Derby DE21 9EG
                       England
 
For the latest in White Power music, read:
 
                      Blood & Honour
                      B.M. Box 5608
                      London, WC1 3XX
                      England
 
                      +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 
                      Blood & Honor
                      P.O. Box 1234
                      Long Beach, CA
                      90801 USA
 
                      $3.00/issue US and Canada
                      $4.00/issue International
                      $18.00/6 issues US and Canada
                      $24.00/6 issues International
 
                      +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 
                      Rampage: A Skinhead Voice
                      P.O. Box 19
                      Coalville
                      Leicester LE67 1DS
                      England
 
                      +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 
                      SledgeHammer: The Voice of the White Nations,
                      by the Northern Hammer Skins
                      PO Box 428
                      Gatineau Quebec, J8P 7A1 Canada
 
                      $25.00/yr. (12 issues) in Canada
                      $30.00/yr. U.S.
                      $35.00/yr. Overseas
                      All rates are in Canadian funds
    
                      +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 
                      Resistance
                      The Music Magazine of the True Alternative
                      P.O. Box 24700
                      Detroit, Michigan 48224 USA
 
                      $12.00/yr (4 issues)
 
                      Resistance is one of the best quality White Power
                      music magazines around.
 
 
HOTLINES ( Telephone numbers to hear a White Power message )
------------------------------------------------------------
 
                      WAR (White Aryan Resistance)
                      Fallbrook, California, USA
                      (619) 723-8996
 
                      Equal Rights for Whites
                      Canada
                      (416) 699-4868
 
                      Euro-Canadian Action Line
                      Canada
                      (416) 631-3545
 
                      Info Line for Shows & Events
                      (416) 631-3927
 
POWS   Soldiers captured while fighting for their racial nation
----   --------------------------------------------------------
 
   David Tate W/155209                Frank Silva #09993-016
   Missouri State Prison              B2 Room 422
   P.O. Box 900                       P.O. Box PMB
   Jefferson City, MO 65102           Atlanta, GA 30315
 
 
   David Lane #12873-057              Bruce Pierce 04181-085
   P.O. Box 1000                      P.O. Box 1000
   Leavenworth, KS 66048              Marion, IL 62959
 
 
   Randy Evans 09882-016              Gary Yarbrough
   P.O. Box 1000                      #09883-016 US PEN.
   Marion, IL 62959                   A-206 P.O. Box 1000
                                      Leavenworth, KS 66048
 
   Yorie Von Kahl 04565-059           Richard Scutari
   Box 1000, J-3 Unit                 #34840-080
   Lewisburg, PA 17837                P.O. Box 1000
                                      Marion, IL 62959
 
 
 We must secure the existence of our people and a future for White children
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+      This FAQ is maintained by Arthur LeBouthillier; any corrections      +
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From: aelebouthill@csupomona.edu
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Subject: Re: White Power
Date: 5 May 94 09:08:54 PST
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O.K. Frank, it's time to look at some of the garbage you have spewed
recently. Since you have pretended to be an intellectual moderate,
that this is not so will be obvious after reviewing your recent post.
 
> I don't think anyone faults whites who love their culture.
 
They better not because it is our right.
 
> I will differ with you in saying that you are a racist if you do not
> want to defend your culture, but want to defend our skin color.
 
I'll differ with you because your definition is far too simplistic.
Obviously that one might consider skin color (or a number of other
traits) as a determining factor of the members of his socioethnic
group does not make that belief any less a part of his culture than
the belief that the members of his socioethnic group derive from a
specific region (i.e. Europe). In other words, "defending your skin
color" is a cultural belief.
 
> Racists are very pointed in their criticism, for as one Church of the
> Creator slogan goes: "this planet is all ours."
 
Perhaps what distinquishes these people is not that they are racists
but that they are supremacists. Although they are racists, they also
believe in racial supremacy (in this particular case of White Supremacy).
 
> For Europeans, this use o culture is unique, as they've colonized so
> many cultures.
 
However, all Europeans are White (barring the minor exceptions like
Turks) and we want to keep it that way.
 
> Black nationalism in Algeria, for example, during the time of French
> colonialism was a response to imperialism and not explictly racist
> in that many other races were involved.
 
Of course the weakness of this argument lies in the fact that you have
not defined what a race is. Obviously in something like European
nationalism there are many constituent racial elements (using my
definition of race as stated in the FAQ).
 
> Or people bombing your pathetic logic out of existence with research
> and knowledge.
 
Let's look at bombing pathetic logic. You said:
 
> DEATH TO FASCISM AND NATIONALISM
 
What exactly do you mean by "Death to nationalism?" (I'll assume that
what you weren't saying was "Death to Fascism" and "Nationalism" but
rather "Death to Fascism" and "Death to Nationalism."). On what moral
basis of human rights can you say such a thing? Obviously nationalism
stems from people's right to nationality and ethnicity. Nationalism
is the assertion by a nation (synonymous with ethnic group) for
self-determination. Since, in the Universal Declaration of Human
Rights, people have a right to their nationality and their ethnicity
as well as a right to self-determination, what exactly are you saying?
 
It appears obvious that what you are really saying is "Death to fascism
and human rights." Ergo, you are a genocidalist. Sorry Frank, but the
world is a messy place. If you want to protect people's rights, they
will sometimes want things that you don't like.
 
Arthur LeBouthillier
The White race must survive.


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From: aelebouthill@csupomona.edu
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Subject: Re: Anti-Whites
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> oh, artie, pleaaaaaaaase. I'm not anti-anything.
 
Then I apologize for misrepresenting your position. I obviously
misinterpreted what you had said in earlier posts.
 
> What's with the 'not if i can help it' crap? Just what do you plan
> on doing about it, tough guy?
 
What am I going to do? Say bad things and bitch and whine. Flail
my arms about wildly until I work up a sweat? ;-)
 
> First of all, my name isn't shawn it's shaUn
 
I just read the by-line. I don't know your personal life (other than
what you have talked about).
 
 
 
Arthur LeBouthillier
Better Living Through White Power



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Subject: Re: Anti-Whites
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> oh, artie, pleaaaaaaaase. I'm not anti-anything.
 
Then I apologize for misrepresenting your position. I obviously
misinterpreted what you had said in earlier posts.
 
> What's with the 'not if i can help it' crap? Just what do you plan
> on doing about it, tough guy?
 
What am I going to do? Say bad things and bitch and whine. Flail
my arms about wildly until I work up a sweat? ;-)
 
> First of all, my name isn't shawn it's shaUn
 
I just read the by-line. I don't know your personal life (other than
what you have talked about).
 
 
 
Arthur LeBouthillier
Better Living Through White Power



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From: aelebouthill@csupomona.edu
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Subject: Re: Anti-Whites
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In article <2qbbmi$856@masala.cc.uh.edu>, (Frank) writes:

> I put your punk ass in its place with some research and history and I'm a
> Black man?
 
I don't think you put my "punk ass" in its place. You must be refering
to someone else.
 
>  This is an antithesis -- I read, I cite things, I'm Black? This
> contradicts yer movement, homie.
 
Again, you don't understand my Movement if that's what you think it
is founded on. I don't say that Blacks are inferior, less intelligent
or anything like that. For all I care, you could be 10 times smarter
than me and I still don't want a mixed-race society. See, I sometimes
joke that I'm a White Inferiorist; we must be pretty stupid to have
let this crap happen to our society. The issue to me isn't who's smarter
or dumber, inferior or superior, but that we are merely a different
people and we wish to stay that way.
 
> If being "genocidalist" means I want every Nazi gagging in a pool of
> their own teeth, intestines and blood, maybe u've got a point.
 
Yes, perhaps I DO have a point.
 
> You musta missed my "Nazi=Commie" post. Read it and learn something     
 
You musta missed my reply to your "Nazi=Commie" post. I refuted much
of what you said in yours.
 
>> And these people are supposed to decide the fate of the White race?
>
> Oh, I'll decide. With gun and a molotov cocktail...
 
Put up or shut up.
 
> Thw white race nust die   
 
Did you misspell that on purpose or is your utter hatred for Whites
affecting your typing?
 
> Just one question, Artie, how can you have a white race if our only
> communication is mediated through the net?  What "race" am I, bitch?
 
I thought you said in an earlier post that you were black. If I'm wrong
then oh well. Whether you are black or not, you are anti-White.
 
> "Q: Revolution implies killing..."
> "A: Whether you fight or talk, the blood's still spilling."
 
Revolution means sudden change. It is not always accompanied by blood.
There are social revolution and cultural revolutions and political
revolutions. They do not always lead to spilled blood (though sometimes
they can). Refute that, Mr. Logic.
 
Arthur LeBouthillier
The only solution
is White revolution. :)



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From: aelebouthill@csupomona.edu
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Subject: Re: Anti-Whites
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> And what, Arthur, are your plans for this?        
 
I'm going to talk myself blue in the face. Maybe I'll hold my breath
until I get my way. Perhaps I'll go on a Jesse Jackson hunger strike
where I don't eat until I get hungry.
 
> I think -ME-'s brand of racist anti-White drivel is pointless, but not
> quite as dangerous as your proud White rhetoric.
 
Oh! It's dangerous to be White and proud! I see.
 
> Combatting faulty (or non-existant) logic with different faulty (or
> non-existant) and biased logic doesn't help anyone.
 
I haven't seen you do either. Put up or shut up.
 
> I applaud you're use of one line from Frank's postings to completely
> misconstrue his views.
 
I think YOU are misconstruing his views. He said "Thw White race nust
die." In an earlier post entitled "Whites must die" he said that was
a good song. Go finger.
 
> Please, everyone, read Frank's posts again before deciding that Frank
> is a "genocidalist."
 
Yes, everyone, please do it.
 
> One more thing, what does sexuality have to do with being "White?"  or
> pot smoking, or political beliefs?
 
They have everything to do with maintaining a White society. These are
acts that are potentially harmful to a White society or they are acts
which do not promote a White society.
 
> I happen to know several full blooded "Aryans" that smoke quite a bit
> of pot and some beautiful blonde haired blue eyed very out queers.
 
And what exactly are you saying that they're doing for their race?
 
> Are they "White" by your definition?  This is just a question.
 
It depends on the individual. Homosexuals can be White Power. Although
I don't condone homosexuality, I do condone working for a White society.
 
> Also, could we take this somewhere else?
 
You're free to go.
 
> I really don't want to read any more of this shit on alt.skinheads.
 
I don't really want to read about your shit on alt.skinheads.
 
> Beer and Ska is much more fun than hatred and racism.    
 
Then stop promoting hatred and racism.
 
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                          AELeBouthill@CSUPomona.Edu
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From: aelebouthill@csupomona.edu
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In article <2qbj5g$au7@masala.cc.uh.edu>, (Frank) writes:

> Blacks are inferior, yet because I refute you with research, history and
> logic, I am Black.
 
Are you trying to say that I asserted that Blacks are inferior? The
burden of proof is on you. Show the world where I said that, Mr. Logic.
 
> I thought you were just dumb -- not I realize you can't form a coherent
> or consistent argument either.
 
Saying it is so doesn't make it so, Frank. Please point out the
inconsistencies in my position based on REAL statements that I have
publicly made. Making statements that YOU think I should have made are
not the same things as quoting me. Please show some intellectual
honesty, Frank.
 
> If being a "genocidalist" means seeing fascists dead and hung up by
> their windpipes, you may be right.
 
That's not what I meant by it. If you want to know what I meant, read
several posts back where I proved my assertion.
 
> Unless you equate destroying fascism and nationalism as genocide --
> which as expected is a dumb analogy, since fascism and nationalism are
> both ideologies while people aren't
 
I do equate the destruction of nationalism with genocide. Nationalism
is devotion to one's nation (which is a right). I understand
the point you are making but genocide doesn't only include the murder
of people. Mass relocations, "re-education" and a number of forced
policies which result in the loss of ethnic identity are also genocide.
So, yes, the elimination of certain ideologies *IS* genocide. To eliminate
nationalism, you must eliminate nations. That is clearly against many
people's rights (and desires). As the Universal Declaration of Human
Rights says: "Everyone has a right to nationality."
 
> And how can I be Black and "anti-ethnic"?
 
Well, you can exhibit certain phenotypic features without regarding
them as having any social value. You haven't defined Black as being
anything other than black so I will not assume that you mean anything
different than the common usage (that of phenotype).
 
> And when you say I'm "anti-ethnic" do you mean ethnic white, and, if
> so, is the ethnic white still an Aryan?
 
Nationalism is the expression of one's ethnicity. If you are
anti-nationalist, you are anti-ethnicity.
 
> I never equated fascism and nationalism -- do not put words in my mouth,
> loser.
 
The technique is called juxtaposition. With an understanding of this
technique it is not unreasonable for one to assume that that is what you
were doing, loser.
 
> However, in his book, Theories on Nationalism, Anthony Davis is quick to
> document the many philosophers who have noted nationalism as a facet of
> fascism and ethnocentrism with nationalism.
 
Right, right, but a part of the thing is not the thing. Fascists also
believe in hygeine but advocating hygeine is not advocating fascism.
 
Again, unless you adequately define ethnocentrism, I don't know what
statement you are making.
 
> This is not an equation, and if you read a little better, you might
> understand that.
 
In my opinion, you ARE making that statement (implicitly). Just because
you deny that you are doing that does not mean that you weren't.
 
> ... and hot dogs. and "racialists."     
 

My balogny has a first name, it O S C A R,
my boloney has a second name it M A Y E R,
oh I love to eat it every day
and if you ask me why I'll say,
'cause Oscar Mayer has a way with B O L O G N A.
 
> with an AK and a Molotov, homie. It's on. 
 
I'm not your homie.
 
> How many people live there?
 
All five of us.
 
> Coward -- come to the city and get you rifle rammed up your ass for
> fronting that fascist bullshit.
 
Oh, be still my beating heart! He called me a name. :-(
 
> Smash white supremacy -- crush the heads of fascists
 
Smash anti-Whitism in the guise of multi-cultural/racialism and
anti-fascism.
 
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                          AELeBouthill@CSUPomona.Edu
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In article <2qbqef$69r@news.nd.edu>, (crissy) writes:

> Here is the deal, I really want to understand the WHite Power point of
> view and I want to understand your beliefs, and I want to explain the
> Black Power movement if I may, so at least if some people insist that
> we're enemies at least we won't have misconceptions about each other.
 
I would be willing to discuss these things with you. I would like to
start off by saying that you will receive nothing but the deepest and
most sincere respect from me if you return that respect.
 
I think that it is good that we get together and discuss each of our
issues because I don't think that we are enemies at all. In fact, as
I see it, we are both working for the same cause: the continued existence
of our respective people and each of our own Causes is supportive of
the other's.
 
> I just want to know what's behind this whole movement, without getting
> into fights.
 
Firstly, we are a racial nationalist Movement. We hold that we
Whites constitute a nation and that we must have a homeland where
we can pursue our nation's interests. For me (although not all White
Power people), the issue isn't one of superiority or inferiority, but
merely that we are different cultural/ethnic/racial groups and that
it is the ideal that we remain separate in each of those facets. To
that end, we seek a White nationalist government which will
uncompromisingly promote the interests of the White nation. Secondly,
we seek a good White society which is wholesome and positive. To that
end, we must uplift ourselves and our kin to be the best that they
can be and to make our racial community and society the best possible.
 
The basic idea behind our Movement is the love of the White race and
the desire to secure an eternal White race which benefits from the
utmost in freedom and prosperity. To that end, we must be free to
develop our own culture and society in a manner that uncompromisingly
promotes our race and without interference from non-Whites.
 
The basic Cause can be stated in what we call the 14 words: We must
secure the existence of our people and a future for White children.
In accordance with the 14 words, our people exist when the purity of
our race is maintained, the people themselves abide by the 14 words
and a positive, progressive White society exists which is able to
supply all of the basic necessities without sacrificing the basic
social and political security of our racial nation. A future for
White children exists when this White society is stable and secure
and our population is healthy and thriving.
 
The White nation has 5 basic interests which must be secured to
fulfill the 14 words: Population, Territory, Economics, Culture
and Politics. Basically, we must develop and emplace a social
system which is able to secure and maintain these interests. Our
population interests refer to the quantity and quality of our
population which must be large enough to secure our future. We must
have a large-enough territory with adequate resources to provide the
food and raw resources that our people need. We must have a highly
developed economic infrastructure capable of transforming raw materials
into needed goods and an adequate distribution and means of distributing
those goods equitably. Our culture (or our people's program of survival)
must be a wholesome, positive one which embodies the principles which
will secure our people's eternal existence. In accordance with this
cultural viewpoint, our aesthetics, education and sciences must be well
developed. The people of our culture should promote their culture and
see it as a vital and important piece of themselves. Lastly, we must
have a political system which coordinates and directs all of these
other interests while maintaining our freedom, self-determination
uncompromisingly. Our political system must only represent one set of
interests uncompromisingly: the interests of White people.
 
I won't go on, you can respond to these issues or we can go onto
a further explanation of what we're about. Like I have said before,
I don't think we are enemies and I think that what I have explained
above applies to the Black race as well. Just as more Whites should
be White Power, more Blacks should be Black Power. I would like to hear
how you explain your Movement; perhaps I can learn something from you.
 
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From: aelebouthill@csupomona.edu
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Subject: Re: I AM A USELESS PIECE OF SHIT!
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In article , ifergan@delphi.com writes:
> So therefore if you are a skinhead repeat slowly and loudly (10
> times):
>  
>  
> I AM A USELESS PIECE OF SHIT
> I AM A USELESS PIECE OF SHIT
> I AM A USELESS PIECE OF SHIT
> I AM A USELESS PIECE OF SHIT....

YOU ARE A USELESS PIECE OF SHIT
YOU ARE A USELESS PIECE OF SHIT
YOU ARE A USELESS PIECE OF SHIT
YOU ARE A USELESS PIECE OF SHIT
YOU ARE A USELESS PIECE OF SHIT
YOU ARE A USELESS PIECE OF SHIT
YOU ARE A USELESS PIECE OF SHIT
YOU ARE A USELESS PIECE OF SHIT
YOU ARE A USELESS PIECE OF SHIT
YOU ARE A USELESS PIECE OF SHIT



That felt good! Let me say that again:

YOU ARE A USELESS PIECE OF SHIT
YOU ARE A USELESS PIECE OF SHIT
YOU ARE A USELESS PIECE OF SHIT
YOU ARE A USELESS PIECE OF SHIT
YOU ARE A USELESS PIECE OF SHIT




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> Could you define White for us??
 
As I use the term, a White is, first, someone who is primarily derived
from that genetic lineage of people commonly referred to as "Indo-European"
or Aryan and doesn't exhibit certain dominating traits and, second, one who
holds an ethnic identity based on some facet of that lineage and wishes to
promote a society which promotes that lineage and its interests.
 
> Jews are white and I seriously doubt they fall into your scheme of
> existence.
 
Could you define Jews for us?? Could you define white as you are using
it? Could you explain your conception of my "scheme of existence?"
 
> The basic logic behind your premise isn't all that bright, but without
> a definition for White it is unintelligible...
 
That you don't know my premises or definitions doesn't make my logic
incorrect. Perhaps you should get a clue before you comment on what
you don't know about.
 
> It's not a black thing...it's not a white thing...
 
It *IS* too a White or Black thing.
 
> ITS A HUMAN THING
 
Racism is a human thing.
 
> Racism violates the dignity of humankind.
 
Anti-racism violates the dignity and rights of all races.
 
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From: aelebouthill@csupomona.edu
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> I only wish to weed out those who wish to try to muddy our waters with
> pointless hate and nonsense. This does nothing for our cause.
 
I agree.
 
> I agreee, this has nothing to do with who is superior or inferior or who
> does what better or worse, but that we are different and we wish to
> preserve that difference.
 
Then I reiterate that I don't think we are enemies at all. As long as my
nation and our national rights are recognized, your people and mine have no
problems. What I think that we must both be careful of is that our mutual
enemies can't effectively make each of us fight against each other for
their gain. I see this beginning to happen in the media recently,
especially with this Khalid Mahammud/Farrakhan attention. Obviously, the
media has blown a non-issue out of proportion. Actually, I like both
Brother Khalid Mahammud and Brother Farrakhan. You are fortunate to have
such good leaders.
 
I think that we both have mutual enemies against whom we can work together
to stop their destructive effects. However, within this condition we must
realize that our ultimate destinies lie separated from each other and
that it is in each of our interests to remain as culturally separate
whenever we might cooperate. But that is not to say that we can't be
polite and respectful toward each other.
 
> Hate is a poison that will get us nowhere and will only bring on the
> wrath of God.  This is where a lot of nationalist movements fail,
> they base their beliefs in hate and violence.
 
I agree 100% with you. I only wish that sometimes I could make more
of my own kin recognize that (but I'm working on that as much as I
can).
 
> Another important note to understand, maybe not directed toward you, is
> that we seek a peaceful means of accomplishing our goals.  We do not
> wish human blood shed, but we will not hesistate to act defensively,
> accordingly.
 
Understandable and noble. My preference is for a non-violent realization
of my ideals.
 
> Another thing that cannot be ignored is our relationship to God.
 
The main reason that I don't mention God in my viewpoint is that I
leave that relationship to the individual; however, I always demand
moral behavior.
 
> Maybe I can learn something from you.  If you could please get into
> specifics that would be great.
 
What kind of thing would you like to know? There is our historical
perspective (which you probably wouldn't find too interesting since
you hear some of it expressed around you daily ), our various
philosophical foundations (again which probably wouldn't be
too exciting), particular moral positions we hold, literature, and
a host of other things. Perhaps we could discuss some of the things
in which we are mutually interested through e-mail (this is my
preference) to minimize "noise" from the "race-mixers."
 
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                                  APendragon
                          AELeBouthill@CSUPomona.Edu
We must secure the existence of our people and a future for White children
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In article <1994May7.153541.14765@midway.uchicago.edu>, cwbasmaj@ellis.uchicago.edu ([snotpocket]) writes:
> 
> 
> 
> Turkey, part of Europe?  Go check the world atlas. 

Whatever, not important. Good, better, Turks aren't Europeans so I don't
have to add qualifiers for them.

> Also, I could show you 

Yes, but apparently you can't show me how to finish a sentence before
posting a reply ;-)





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In article <2qeu14$4kb@panix2.panix.com>, sethb@panix.com (Seth Breidbart) writes:

> Amazing.  Words don't mean what everybody else believes they mean,
> they mean what you want them to mean.
 
There are many different nuances of meanings that are not carried in a
dictionary which, unless you are exposed to them, will never know. Even
many common words and definitions are not included in dictionaries
(the word "fuck" is not included in my definition but is a commonly
used word with an ambiguous meaning). Among the people I frequent, my
definition is recognized as the true definition.
 
In fact, I have exhibited good argument style because I have defined my
terms as I mean them. Additionally, my definition is not arcane, but
consistent with historical usage, english construction and theory.
 
First, my definition is consistent with the historical usage. Although
I don't have an old dictionary to reference that defines it in the manner
that I mean it, I have seen 'racism' defined in the manner that I use it.
Second, 'racism' is an "-ism" which according to Webster's New World
Dictionary is "a doctrine of", or "devotion to" a thing. Therefore, I am
talking about a doctrine of devotion to race, ergo racism. That people
don't commonly use that definition has a lot to do with the politics of
the day and not with the true or historical meaning.
 
> I'm sorry, I can't discuss anything with you until you agree to speak
> English, using words with their common meanings.
 
But I'm not talking about a common thing, so I can't use the common
meaning. I am talking about a specific doctrine which is virtually
forbidden from being properly discussed by people like yourself who
try to misrepresent it.
 
>> Right, right, but what is the basis of your social group? Race.
>
> Wrong.  Shared interests, whether it's taste in reading material,
> music, or intelligent conversation.
 
I believe that sentence was directed at another gentleman (I'm not
implying you are a gentleman). Anyways, race is one of the shared
interests of many societies (where race is defined as lineal ethnicity).
 
> Like I said, weakling. My culture has survived surrounded by others,
> discriminated against (usually by law), for thousands of years.
 
Before I make any assumptions that I know to which culture you refer,
why don't you tell me what the name of your culture is. Additionally,
please answer a few more questions with regard to it:
 
    1) What are its founding premises?
    2) What is its history? (briefly, as you understand it)
    3) What makes it "your" culture.
    4) What institutions has it used to continue itself?
    5) What are some of the major external influences on it?
    6) Who constitute the members of this cultural society?
 
Getting to your statement, many cultures have weaknesses (as I'm sure
yours does too). The weakness of my culture lies in the fact that it
depends on a number of social institutions to be promoted. Since those
institutions have been forbidden (or hindered) by this government, it is
inevitable that it falter. However, it is a strong and resilient culture
which will bring about the necessary change in order to survive.
 
> I'm not trying to create any kind of empire.
 
An empire is, by one (even common) definition, "a state uniting many
territories and peoples under one ruler" (where, in this case, that
ruler is the Federal Gov't.). Since you are attempting to create a
multi-cultural America (by your own admission), you are trying to
create an empire. An empire is distinguished from a nation in that a
nation is a single social group defined by common ethnic heritage (using
a political science definition of "nation.")
 
> But I notice that this country is multi-racial, and has been since
> (before) its inception;
 
The word "country" is ambiguous. It refers to 1) a territory 2) a
territory and its government 3) a state. This "country" (as in
definition 1) never had an inception since territories have usually
predated their populations. This "country" (as in definition 2) was
defined by and created for white people. If you disagree with this,
we can pursue this at your leisure. This "country" (as in definition
3) was created by and for whites. Read the Dred Scott decision or
some of Thomas Jefferson's writings or perhaps some of Washington's
or other writings of the inception of this government.
 
Therefore, in accordance with most definitions of "country," your
statement is false.
 
> thus, if you want a non-multi-racial country, you should go elsewhere.
 
I'm not going anywhere. My right to self-determination exists wherever
I am. I don't bow down to any government that refuses to represent me
my people.
 
> I recommend Mars.
 
I recommend Antarctica for you.
 
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                                  APendragon
                          AELeBouthill@CSUPomona.Edu
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> Jews are persons either born Jewish or converted to Judaism.

Fine, then my definition is not different than yours. Your definition
has two aspects: lineage and belief. My definition of White has two
aspects: lineage and belief. In my definition of White, it is
someone who is born of whites and who believes that his lineage is
the basis of his society. Mine is an ethnic definition of Whites.

> Jews are one of the many targets of White Supremacist movements.

Whites are one of the many targets of Zionist movements.

> White is a term that defines the color of skin. It means nothing other
> than what it says.

White is the name of a race. That race does exhibit light skin color
but the term White refers to that race. White is not synonymous with
Caucasian since a Caucasian can be a Pakistani, a Semite, an Arab, or
any one of several other peoples who are not considered (by me)
to be White.

> So to claim to be a White Separatist would entail all of Russia,
> Israel, Poland, Africa, well hell, prolly every country in the world
> has white people in it.

You're a retard; you don't know how to reason. There are Palestinians
in virtually every country of the world but does that mean that
Palestinian nationalism means the unification of every country of
the world? No. Don't be ridiculous.

Also, don't tell me what I'm saying. I'll tell you what I'm saying. I
am a White nationalist who advocates one or several nation-states
which uncompromisingly promote the interests of their White
populations. I don't advocate a single state for all White people,
although I DO advocate a nation-state for those Whites in North
America.

> Actually the fact that I don't know your premises is precisely    
> what makes your logic unintelligble.

Correct, but it is a product of your ignorance, not mine.

> In order for the argument to be intelligible one must make
> a premise and back it up with evidence, then make a connection
> and prove the correlation.

You obviously don't know what an argument is.  In Lionel Ruby's
_The_Art_of_Making_Sense_ (which, by the way, you should read since
you don't make any), an argument is defined as:

    a unit of discourse in which beliefs are supported by reasons
    
Sometimes, arguments are presented as syllogisms which consist of
two or more premises plus a conclusion which is logically
derivable from those premises.

In order for an syllogism to be intelligible (correct), there must be
a statement of premises and a number of conclusions which are
supported by them.

Now, in my earlier post, I was not engaged in an argument; I was
making statements of my beliefs. It is YOU who is attempting to
form arguments against my beliefs (which you have been quite
ineffective at doing).

Therefore, since it is YOU who is making a number of assertions
about my beliefs, the burden of proof lies on you to prove whatever
assertions you might like to make about me. However, if you would
like to contest some of my beliefs, then we will have an argument.
However, in your typically inept way, you have presented no
reasonable challenge to my beliefs.


Arthur LeBouthillier
RACISM:  ITS A HUMAN THING

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Why is it that these homophiliacs have to misrepresent the causes of
those who are opposed to their sordid viewpoints by calling them
homophobes? The truth is that the homophiliacs are the heterophobes
who want to portray themselves as some kind of victim of biology when
in fact they are merely expressing their choice for a sordid lifestyle.

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In article , rasputin@netcom.com (Douglas A. White) writes:

> BLIND REDNECKS ARE BETTER THAN ME!!!
 
I'll take your word for it.
 
love, Art


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In article <9MAY199421130652@utarlg.uta.edu>, jjh1231@utarlg.uta.edu (HOGAN,JEFFREY,JOHN) writes:

> Then, are Jews white since they are white.
 
Many Jews are white. They are not, however, White. They don't see
their White/Aryan lineage as the basis of their society. Rather, because
of their religion, they see the Judeo-Semitic lineage as its basis.
To that end, they are often willing to sacrifice the interests of
whites for their own, or multi-racial, ideals.
 
> What criteria does it take to be white besides lineage, where does
> this lineage come from?
 
If you notice, I capitalize the "W" often. I use this to distinguish
between a white (someone who is merely caucasian) from a White, who
believes that it is important to promote their lineage as a distinct
race/nation.
 
> Yes, it is my ignorance...
 
There is nothing wrong with ignorance. I am often very ignorant of
things and try my best to dispel that ignorance.
 
> Inform me of your superior beliefs:>  :> :>.
 
Are you sure you're worthy? ;-D
 
> we both used premise...evidence is the same as that which is
> logically derivable.  A corelation based upon the evidence is
> the same as a conclusion based upon logically derivable premises.
 
Admirable reply.
 
> Secondly, it is not my job to convince anybody of anything, it is
> you that wants North America to be something that it is not....
> so the burden of proof is in YOUR court.
 
Again, someone asked me what I believed, you started going off on
some tangent trying to prove that Whites don't exist, and so forth.
You said:
 
    The basic logic behind your premise isn't all that bright,
    but witouth a definition for White it is unintelligible...
 
I offered an ethnic definition of White which was no less credible
than your definition of a Jew. Whereas you are willing to recognize
that Jews might exist, you express credulity that Whites might exist.
 
You also said:
 
     White is a term that defines the color of skin.  It means nothing
     other than what it says.
 
Which is obviously false since there are Asians with skin color similar
to many whites. The issue is far more important than mere skin color.
To me, the issue is one of lineage, culture and the destiny of my race.
 
If you really want a "conclusion" to debate, here it goes:
 
                   We Whites are an ethnic group.
 
That is the basic premise of much of my viewpoint. If you follow from
that premise, everything I say makes perfect sense. If you want to argue
that, let's go at it.
 
> I am happy with the American Symphony just the way it is.
 
That symphony sounds like a bunch of cats fucking, to me.
 
> We make some damn good music.
 
I have my own music preferences, thank you.
 
> It would get kind of boring if we were all playing the same instrument.
 
Ya' see, I don't think so.
 
> Luckily America is a diverse culture.
 
'America' means little to me. It is its White heritage that is worth
maintaining.
 
 
-----------------------
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In article <2qorcl$j0h@nic-nac.CSU.net>, ysham@nextlab7.calstatela.edu (Yvonne Sham-Shackleton) writes:

> The saddest thing is after education you continue to be a rascist.
 
First, the word is spelled r-a-c-i-s-t. Second, racism is an ideology
that transcends economic status or educational level.
 
>  You are the worse sort, i often excuse trailer park white trash for
> having nothing more than their skin to be proud of, unfortunately people
> who obviously should have more in their life views than hate, continue to
> embrace it.
 
Talk about generalizing and stereotyping! This is typical of the
various anti-white weenies. To call someone "white-trash" is very
close to calling a black a "nigger." Now, of course you are going to
try to back-peddle yourself out of this obvious blunder by saying
"but I only mean those whites who are poor and racist" (as if that
was supposed to be an excuse) but what she really means is those whites
who conform to her stereotype.
 
Suppose I were a racist white who lived in a trailer park? What's your
point? That I shouldn't be white? That I shouldn't live in a trailer
park? Or that I shouldn't be racist?
 
This is typical of the various anti-white people; they are hypocrites.
For example, there has been a recent spout of joke-making about blue-
skinned whites down in Kentucky or thereabouts. Now, if making fun of
people's racial characteristics is wrong, why is it o.k. for these
multi-racial advocates to do it? Is it ok when they are doing it to
destroy racism? Obviously what they really mean is that it is only
wrong to do it when you are doing it to promote a viewpoint with which
they disagree (then you are "ignorant").
 
> It makes me sad, and i still hope God Bless you because i am willing
> to allow for copassion.
 
Grow up.
 
 Arthur LeBouthillier
W H I T E   P O W E R !




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> We agree that whites can be asian but disagree that Whites can be
> asian??
 
No, Asians are not white or White. Asians have a similar skin color
but the issue, as I have said, is more significant than that.
 
> White is a descriptive term of color only.
 
As you use it. For me and most Whites, it is the title of our race.
However, even dictionaries like Webster's New World use it to
designate the Caucasian race. My point is that, obviously, Caucasian
refers to peoples whom I don't consider white.
 
> Honestly, I can see no difference between white/White.
 
Again, that's the result of your ignorance, not mine.
 
> But, you will never convince anyone by using that word. At least
> Aryan is a term that one can trace the lineage of.
 
They already do use the term in the manner that I use it; I have
merely expressed much of what lies implicitly and made it explicit.
 
Besides, your argument is so ridiculous. "Aryan" might be acceptable
but "White" wouldn't be? What we choose to call ourselves is OUR
business.
 
>  But, only as a helpful hint to furthur discussions..it would be
> advisable to search for a better word than White.  Because the term
> is just too synonymous with white..
 
No, YOU find a different term to refer to something that means absolutely
nothing to you. We Whites have called ourselves this for hundreds of years.
This is a designator that WE have chosen for ourselves. Obviously, you'll
recognize that our skin color isn't really white (its actually a pinkish
color) so your use of the word white is unjustified.
 
> On that, we can agree to disagree..no further discussion needed.
 
That's fine; I will recognize your decision. However, I will use your
post as an instrument of instruction to other Whites. The rest of this
post is not directed to you.
 
----
 
In reviewing this person's argument, we see that his blindness and
hatred for Whites makes him refuse to recognize our issues at all.
This person, with all of his pretended reasonability, has but one goal
in mind: the elimination of our people by erasing our existence from
our minds (we can't be a people if we can't think about ourselves).
 
In George Orwell's 1984, this technique was illustrated quite well;
here, the attempt was to eliminate "crime-think" by eliminating the
very basis for conceptualizing anything that the state didn't want
you to think about. Modern anti-Whites like Mr. Hogan, here, are shining
examples of this approach. They don't even want you to remember the
truth of who and what you are by attempting to deny us of the very
conceptualizations we need to think about ourselves. But then, that is
part of their plan: the elimination of White identity.
 
> You have cited evidence that I choose to reject.  My choice.
 
This is not only his choice, but his plan. Cite something that he
doesn't like and he'll ignore it. Put forth that you hold certain
ideals and he'll tell you to change. Use a term in a way that benefits
your argument, he'll change the language. There can never be any reasonable
debate with people like this because they are unreasonable. They have
only one goal: the elimination of our people.
 
We should thank people like Mr. Hogan for their blatent disregard for
our interests and wishes. At least we can realize that the destruction
that has befallen our people is the result of a program directed
at our people by its enemies, enemies within. If we are to survive
as a people, it will only happen if we make it happen despite their
wishes.
 
By the deeds of heroes
and the blood of martyrs,
all good comes to be.
 
 Arthur LeBouthillier
W H I T E  P O W E R !


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In article <2qsim1$hib@news1.digex.net>, pinback@access1.digex.net (Ben Parrish) writes:

> Judge each person you meet on an individual basis.
 
No. Judge each person with how he benefits your nation.
 
> Some people are nice.  Some people are not nice.  Don't decide 'till
> you meet 'em.
 
Some people are nice; some people are not nice. In either case, they
may do absolutely nothing to benefit your racial nation.
 
> I don't understand (well, that's not true, but this is rhetorical)
> this need to "protect one's race."
 
My race is my nation, the basis of my society; as such, I have an
obligation to promote and protect it. The government is not the source
of society, but an institution created by a nation to represent its
interests. Loyalties lie not with the government, but with one's people.
 
What needs to be protected is not the government and its control over
the territory it commands, not the economy and the quest for the almighty
dollar, not the right of people to do things that harm society,
but one's race and its progeny and the social environment in which it grows.
 
> So what if you protect it?  What has been gained?  What are you
> protecting it from?
 
I am protecting the people from tyranny, from misdirection, from
genocide, from dissolution and from all manner of wrong that can be
directed toward them. I am ensuring a good society based on my culture,
on social harmony and, hopefully, ensuring a good and prosperous future.
 
Arthur LeBouthillier
W H I T E  P O W E R


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Subject: Re: Validity
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> It doesn't invalidate your position, but it makes it subordinate (unless
> you speak from an other than reformist racial position) to the majority.
> In a representative democracy, such is fate.
 
Actually it doesn't; that's what we're saying: "we're getting out of this
chicken-shit democracy." We will not leave the fate of our nation to a
majority who has no concern for our rights or desires.
 
>  In order for your position to receive the validity that you'll get
> recognition from the government, a  homeland accorded to you by the
> State and "rights" over said land, you'll have to have a more complex
> organization than what I'd argue is in the movement (at least what I
> know of it) now.
 
I agree with you that our organizations must be better; there is not a
single organization that I feel has the vision or structure to carry out
the program that must happen to secure my people's future.
 
> Your minority status and that rights be granted it must be sanctioned,
> if not by the majority, then by higher-ups in the democracy.
 

Sanctions!?! We don't need no stinkin' sanctions!
 
> When using terms like "self-determination" in conjunction wih your
> calls for land, it implies that you had land taken from you as a
> white race, when in fact Amerika was populated by Indians first.
 
Whether this continent was populated by others is insignificant to
what exists now. We have rights now; the UN didn't exist when whites
"immigrated" to what WE call North America. Actually, self-determination
does not imply that we had land taken away from us; it refers to a right
we have at all times. Anyways, the country we had taken away from us is
the United States. The Federal Supreme Court decided that the United States
is a contract among whites for whites' interests. The 14th Amendment was
only passed after the governments of the South had been destroyed and
puppet governments installed. At least 10 states were held by force of
arms until the proper authorities agreed to vote for this amendment.
See Utah Supreme Court - 439 Pacific Reporter 2d Series pp266-276.
 
> How can you claim violations unless an outside observer is able
> to research and document a concerted effort by the State to repress a
> white nationalist movement?
 
Ever hear of Randy Weaver? How about Cointelpro? How about the Civil
War? Anyways, we've never tried this approach (and I'm still not sure
that I *WOULD* petition the UN for a recognition of these rights). To
petition the UN would be recognizing its jurisdiction over our lives
(which I don't think is something that we need to do). We are fighting
for our national sovereignty and it would probably be against our
interests to give the UN that control.
 
> They do (arguably) --Anglo-Saxons. A political or ideological
> designation does not make them an ethnic group, however.
 
Your viewpoint is skewed because your definition of ethnicity is
skewed. Ethnicities can develop. Anyways, what is race? By definition
it is an ethnic group; we Whites see our race as our nation.
 
> ... and what nation wants to bear the brunt of their costs; and what
> nation wants to help support them economically in the beginning, since
> the functioning of a new land in a market economy -- unless its
> inhabitants have considerable amounts in savings -- is going to be
> expensive; and, in short, the related issues in placing them...
 
That's a poor argument for denying us our rights; I suppose we'll just
have to make it expensive to NOT give us a homeland.
 
>  I'd say the ideas you present have very big holes I'm wondering if you
> can address. The "what if's" sound nice, but the entire situation is
> more complicated than you make it sound.
 
We can and will address these issues as necessary. There is no doubt that
what needs to happen will be complicated and expensive.
 
Arthur LeBouthillier
We're NOT fighting for the Old Republic.



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In article , all2uman@jabba.? (John Otteson) writes:

> Yes.  Your line of reasoning assumes a level playing field.
 
I doubt seriously that he assumed, or cared about, a level playing
field. He was showing how the results of liberal do-goodism is the
opposite of what they say they want. The result of this do-goodism
isn't equality but inequality directed at Whites. Mr. Saunders was
merely expressing his rage at the mess that you liberals have created.
You have turned morality and reason on its head in order to advance
your insideous agendas.
 
> There is a hierarchy in North American culture that is a product of
> 250+ years of systematic racism.
 
"North American" culture? Do you mean the culture of Whites? That our
culture is not very accomodating to non-whites is not surprising because
it is OUR culture and they are outsiders.
 
> Given this hierarchy, Black Nationalism is NOT the same thing as White
> Nationalism.
 
Their goals are the same. Your statement is proof that YOU have a hierarchy
in YOUR culture. Of course, your hierarchy glorifies the "oppressed,
down-trodden" blacks and admonishes the evil White man. Move to Rwanda
to experience the beauty of your fellow human beings.
 
> For whites to argue that there is a level playing field, is for whites
> to deny that 250+ years of systematic white racism has had any affect.
 
I don't want a level playing field, nor do blacks or whites have any
right to a "level playing field." I want to secure the existence of
my race in a White homeland.
 
If blacks can't understand that they are not wanted yet continue to
pursue their interests among the whites is their fault.
 
> It seems to me that the white denial of any historical hierarchy is
> politically motivated; an attempt to remain on top.
 
No, it is an attempt to preserve our race. I'm perfectly willing to
let blacks form their own society and leave me to mine.
 
> Anybody read Cornell West's book "Race Matters"?
 
Yes, I read it; it's not very good.
 
> He does a pretty good job of transcending the usual Liberal vs.
> Conservative rhetoric.
 
Nonsense, it was the same old black racist rhetoric: "we blacks
need to strengthen black identity, ourselves and we need some
strong leaders. We need to distribute the wealth; we need to
channel black rage to take from the White man."
 
> What other books do net.people recommend on the subject of race?
 
For a good source of White racial books, contact:
 
   National Vanguard Books P.O. Box 330 Hillsboro WV 24946
 
   Aryan Free Press Books P.O. Box 6853 Champaign Illinois 61826
 
   The Noontide Press
       1822 1/2 Newport Boulevard Suite 183 Costa Mesa CA 92627
 
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                                  APendragon
                          AELeBouthill@CSUPomona.Edu
We must secure the existence of our people and a future for White children
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Subject: FAQ: W H I T E  P O W E R
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                        FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS
                              WHITE POWER
 
WHITE POWER
-----------
 
What is White Power?
 
   White Power is an empowering philosophy of White racial nationalism and
   ethnicity. It refers to a diverse range of philosophies from leftist
   National Socialism, to White Pride, to rightist White Supremacy. Perhaps
   the simplest imperative about what White Power stands for exists in
   the "14 words" coined by former Bruder Schweigen member, David Lane:
 
                  We must secure the existence of our people
                  and a future for White children.
 
Where does the term White Power come from?
 
   Although it is possibly a response to black nationalist Stokely
   Carmichael's book _Black_Power_, the phrase "White Power" was a
   popular term coined by participants at a George Lincoln Rockwell
   rally in Marquedt Park, Illinois in 1967. Spontaneously the
   attendants started rallying behind the call for White Power. It
   has been a popular phrase since then and was the title of George
   Lincoln Rockwell's book _White_Power_.
 
What is an Aryan?
 
   Aryan is a term that many ancient Indo-European peoples called
   themselves. It means "good," "best," or "noble." The ancient
   Hindus called themselves Aryans and derivitives of this term
   are evident in the country-names of Erin (Ireland) and Iran (Aryan).
   Today, some people of the European branch of Indo-Europeans call
   themselves that as a unique indicator of who they are and what their
   ideals are.
 
What is ZOG?
 
   ZOG (for Zionist Occupation Government ) is a euphamism for those
   governments which purport to represent white people while actually
   subscribing to an anti-white agenda. These governments often put
   "Israel First," while seconding the interests and desires of racial
   and nationalist whites for the interests of multi-racial societies and
   world government.
 
Aren't all White Power advocates White supremacists
 
    No. Supremacy refers to an alleged right to rule over other races.
    Although some White Power people are White Supremacists, many are
    not. Those who are not supremacists are actually White nationalists or
    separatists and advocate for the formation of a White homeland in
    a manner which does not deny the human rights of non-whites.
 
What differences are there in White Power groups?
 
   There are many different viewpoints collected under the term White Power.
   A few of the philosophical viewpoints are:
 
    Supremacists - Supremacist arguments state that the White race is
       inherently superior and therefore is justified in ruling over
       other peoples. They often state that Whites assuming power over
       all of the earth's inhabitants is doing them a favor since Whites
       are the only people superior enough to make good judgements.
 
    National Socialists - based on Adolf Hitler's doctrine as outlined
       in his book Mein Kampf, the adherents of this viewpoint often
       don't see this as a "right-wing" cause but rather as a racially
       progressive left-wing movement. National Socialism is founded
       on several doctrines: nationalism, the long-view of history and
       racism. It adheres to the viewpoint of The Leader Principle
       whereby a people are best led by strong leaders rather than by
       their inherent weaknesses which democracy brings out.
 
    Christian Identity - this religious doctrine believes that Whites
       are the true Israelites described in the bible. It adheres to a
       doctrine of two-creations in Genesis whereby God created all of
       the other animals and races and then created the Adamic (White)
       race. They cite the fact that Adam means "able to show blood in
       the face" which would refer uniquely to the White race. They also
       believe that Jesus's message has become corrupted because he did
       not come for all peoples, but as said in Matthew 15:24 "I am not
       sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel."
 
    White Nationalists - this refers to a number of ideological viewpoints
       which view the White race as an ethnic nation which must have its
       own homeland in order to survive. Its adherents believe that the
       only state which can legitimately represent the White race is one
       which is purposely organized to represent it.
 
    Separatists - this catch-all identifier applies to many people who
       are not ideological at all. They merely recognize that we Whites
       are a different people and that we must survive as a people. They
       advocate the separation of the races, usually in different
       homelands for the different races. Some separatists advocate
       "The Northwest Imperative" which calls for the formation of a
       White homeland in the Pacific Northwest.
 
    Often, many of these viewpoints are expressed within a single group.
    The members of these groups bring differing ideas about what the goals
    of White Power should be, what programs can best attain its ideals,
    what a good White society is and how a White nation-state should be
    organized. But, despite these differences they are all agreed on one
    point: The White race must survive.
 
What is a race?
 
    The word race derives from the Spanish word raza which means "line."
    It refers to genetic lineage. A race is a lineal ethnic group which
    because of its genetic heritage, exhibits unique phenotypic features
    or patterns. However, despite these genetic features, race also
    refers to an ethnicity and an ethnic identity that is based on these
    features. As racists use the term, it is not equivalent to the
    biological word "race" which is merely a sub-breeding group of a
    species. Although as racists use the term a race is a sub-breeding
    group of the human species, it also refers to a set of group ideals
    and norms consistent with the maintenance of that ethnic group.
 
What is racism?
 
    Racism is the promotion of a race and its interests. It refers to a
    desire to maintain a unique ethnic identity closely bound to the
    physical characteristics that define that group. It also refers to
    a whole body of social norms which are consistent with maintaining
    that group and promoting a society which is consistent with racial
    ideals.
 
What is race-mixing?
 
    Race-mixing is the mixing of races, also known as miscegenation.
    The term "race-mixer" refers to those who advocate mixed-race
    societies as an ideal and those who engage in sexual relations with
    those of other races. Race-mixing is highly frowned upon by racists
    and race-mixers are often severely admonished.
 
What is a Hammerskin?
 
   In Pink Floyd's _The_Wall_ movie, there is a video segment sung to
   the tune "Up against the Wall," where Pink takes on the visage of
   a powerful leader. During this sequence, hundreds of skinheads march
   through the street and chase the "Pakis" (Pakistanis) out of England.
   Although the movie is largely opposed to that viewpoint, young skinheads
   were emboldened by the image of strength and came to call themselves
   Hammerskins. As these groups spread throughout the U.S. and Canada,
   they took on regional prefixes like: Western Hammerskins, Northern
   Hammerskins, Confederate Hammerskins and other names.
 
Why do you hate?
Why do you hate Jews?
Why do you hate Blacks?
Why do you hate everybody?
 
   White Power advocates love their race. Because of that, they are
   strongly opposed to any attempts to harm it by means of loss of
   territory, loss of economic or political self-determination,
   disenfranchisement or race mixing. In order to preserve their race
   and its interests, they are often willing to engage in hostile
   acts against perceived threats to it.
 
Why don't you get a life?
 
    White Power advocates do have lives which are based on different
    principles and ideals from those of race-mixers.
 
CONTEMPORARY BOOKS ON WHITE POWER
---------------------------------
 
The following are somewhat "objective" in their appraisal of White Power
advocates:
 
    Blood In the Face by James Ridgeway
 
    The New Reich: Violent Extremism in unified Germany and beyond
       by Michael Schmidt
 
    Skinheads shaved for battle: a cultural history of American Skinheads
	by Jack B. Moore
 
    The Silent Brotherhood: Inside America's Racist Underground
        by Kevin Flynn and Gary Gerhardt
 
The following are heavily biased against White Power and often misrepresent it:
 
    Free to Hate: The rise of the right in post-communist Eastern Europe
        by Paul Hockenos
 
    Brotherhood of Murder
        by Thomas Martineze with John Guinther
 
    Skinhead Streetgangs
        by Loren Christensen. Paladin Books ISBN 0-87364-756-4
 
    Any ADL publication
 
MAGAZINE ARTICLES ABOUT WHITE POWER AND WHITE POWER SKINHEADS
-------------------------------------------------------------
 
    "Mainstream" Hatred by Mira L. Boland, ADL in The Police Chief
    magazine, June 1992 (other articles can be found in that issue
    and in other issues).
 
    Hitler's Offspring by Martin A. Lee in The Progressive, March 1993
 
    Hatred Rising: The Sound of Jackboots in Europe and Russia
        by Derek Ingram in World Press Review February 1994
 
    Inside South London's Nazi Headquarters
        in New Statesman and Society (British magazine) January 1993
 
    Long Day's Journey Into White by Kathy Dobie,
        in The Village Voice April 28, 1992
 
WHITE POWER NEWSLETTERS, NEWSPAPERS AND MAGAZINES
-------------------------------------------------
 
   WAR P.O. Box 65 Fallbrook Ca. 92088
 
   The War Eagle P.O. Box 6881 Champaign Illinois 61826
 
   Aryan Nations/Church of Jesus Christ Christian
   P.O. Box 362 Hayden, Idaho 83835
 
   New Order
     by NSDAP-AO P.O. Box 6414 Lincoln, Nebraska 68506
 
   Plexus: A National Socialist Theoretical Journal
     by National Worker's League P.O. Box 642376 Omaha Ne 68164-8376
 
   National Vanguard
     by National Alliance P.O. Box 330 Hillsboro WV 24946
 
   NS Kindred P.O. Box 256 N.S.J. Ca 95960
 
   Aryan Free Press Books P.O. Box 6853 Champaign Illinois 61826
 
   The Balance
   C/O Cause
   1101 Post Oak Blvd. Suite 9497
   Houston, TX 77056
 
   Stormfront: Forecast for Tomorrow
   P.O. Box 6637
   West Palm Beach, FL 33405
   
   Instauration
   Howard Allen Enterprises, Inc.
   Box 76
   Cape Canaveral, Florida 32920
   $20/year students $30/year regular
 
 
MUSIC, T-SHIRTS, SKINZINES
--------------------------
 
For North American White Power music, contact:
 
                       Resistance Records
                       P.O. Box 24700
                       Detroit, Michigan
                       48224, U.S.A.
 
                       Krowbar Records
                       P.O. Box 40383
                       Baton Rouge, Louisiana
                       70835-0383, USA
 
                       Totenkopf Services
                       1040 S. Mount Vernon
                       Suite 123
                       Colton, CA
                       92324, USA
 
For all Skrewdriver T-Shirts or CD's, contact:
 
                       Renewal of Identity (R.I.D.)
                       P.O. Box 249
                       Derby DE21 9EG
                       England
 
For the latest in White Power music, read:
 
                      Blood & Honour
                      B.M. Box 5608
                      London, WC1 3XX
                      England
 
                      +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 
                      Blood & Honor
                      P.O. Box 1234
                      Long Beach, CA
                      90801 USA
 
                      $3.00/issue US and Canada
                      $4.00/issue International
                      $18.00/6 issues US and Canada
                      $24.00/6 issues International
 
                      +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 
                      Rampage: A Skinhead Voice
                      P.O. Box 19
                      Coalville
                      Leicester LE67 1DS
                      England
 
                      +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 
                      SledgeHammer: The Voice of the White Nations,
                      by the Northern Hammer Skins
                      PO Box 428
                      Gatineau Quebec, J8P 7A1 Canada
 
                      $25.00/yr. (12 issues) in Canada
                      $30.00/yr. U.S.
                      $35.00/yr. Overseas
                      All rates are in Canadian funds
    
                      +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 
                      Resistance
                      The Music Magazine of the True Alternative
                      P.O. Box 24700
                      Detroit, Michigan 48224 USA
 
                      $12.00/yr (4 issues)
 
                      Resistance is one of the best quality White Power
                      music magazines around.
 
 
HOTLINES ( Telephone numbers to hear a White Power message )
------------------------------------------------------------
 
                      WAR (White Aryan Resistance)
                      Fallbrook, California, USA
                      (619) 723-8996
 
                      Equal Rights for Whites
                      Canada
                      (416) 699-4868
 
                      Euro-Canadian Action Line
                      Canada
                      (416) 631-3545
 
                      Info Line for Shows & Events
                      (416) 631-3927
 
POWS   Soldiers captured while fighting for their racial nation
----   --------------------------------------------------------
 
   David Tate W/155209                Frank Silva #09993-016
   Missouri State Prison              B2 Room 422
   P.O. Box 900                       P.O. Box PMB
   Jefferson City, MO 65102           Atlanta, GA 30315
 
 
   David Lane #12873-057              Bruce Pierce 04181-085
   P.O. Box 1000                      P.O. Box 1000
   Leavenworth, KS 66048              Marion, IL 62959
 
 
   Randy Evans 09882-016              Gary Yarbrough
   P.O. Box 1000                      #09883-016 US PEN.
   Marion, IL 62959                   A-206 P.O. Box 1000
                                      Leavenworth, KS 66048
 
   Yorie Von Kahl 04565-059           Richard Scutari
   Box 1000, J-3 Unit                 #34840-080
   Lewisburg, PA 17837                P.O. Box 1000
                                      Marion, IL 62959
 
MARTYRS FOR OUR MOVEMENT
------------------------
 
Robert Jay Mathews
  Born: 16 January, 1949
  Died: 8 December 1984, at Whidbey Island, Washington
  Summary: Founder of the Bruderschweigen (The Silent Brotherhood),
    sometimes called The Order. Bob Mathews fought for his racial
    nation until he was immolated by the FBI at a Whidbey Island
    shootout.
 
Gordon Kahl
  Died: 3 June 1983
  Summary: A leader of the Posse Commitatus, Gordon Kahl was shot
    and immolated by the FBI.
 
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In article <2r2qu7$lmu@bach.udel.edu>, rabbit@bach.udel.edu (shaun flanagan) writes:

> I think there was an agreement made where we would try not to discuss
> politics.
 
A FAQ is not a political discussion; it is an answer to frequent questions
to insure that recurring silly questions don't pop up. In fact, the
purpose of the faq is to end the repeated discussion of the same topic.
Next time someone asks a question that is in the FAQ, tell them kindly
to "fuck off and read the FAQ."
 
>  Now being as it seems that whenever we do it always ends up going to
> shit, pleeaaaaaase stop posting this.
 
No. You are welcome to post your own faq and I will not consider it a
political discussion.
 
> You post it every goddamn week and to tell you the truth, I for one am
> not interested.
 
I post it whenever the old one runs off the buffer. There are 150 messages
in this group's buffer and so I post it every 150 posts or so. The time
is dependent upon the number of posts in a given period.
 
>  And if you do post it here, please make it once a month instead of
> every week.
 
I'll post it whenever the old one scrolls off; since the posting frenzy
appears to have died down, it will not get posted so often.
 
> It's really beginning to bore the hell out of me.
 
tough; skip it if you don't like it.
 
> I know that talking about politics is unavoidable, but if you could
> stop with posting it every week, then maybe the politics would die
> down a bit.
 
I didn't start posting the FAQ until after the last bout of political
discussions started.
 
> PS For some reason, I recognize your name from somewhere, i'm not sure.
> I'll figure it out eventually.
 
Perhaps you've known me as Arthur Pendragon? If not, then it is just a
co-inky-dink (coincidence).
 
Arthur LeBouthillier
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Subject: Re: Validity
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In article , feit@cs.buffalo.edu (Elissa Feit) writes:

> That's such bullshit. There's NOTHING stopping you from buying land with
> other people with whom you share your beliefs, economically boycotting
> any businesses NOT owned by your own race....
 
Which we're doing.
 
> What are you whining about?            
 
I'm not whining; I'm stating my position.
 
> No, the Fed. Supreme Court didn't recognize other races as being fully
> human. Are you willing to say this in public? May your soul burn in
> hell.
 
You've said it; now prove it.
 
> Cointelpro (Counterintelligence Program) was largely waged against the
> Black Panther Party and the American Indian Movement (AIM).
 
The government's Cointelpro was also directed at various white racial
organizations.
 
>  I thought your complaints included the idea that all blacks want
> is a handout and all jews want is a handout?
 
Isn't this typical of ignorant anti-Whites? They always want to
stereotype us while saying that stereotypes are bad. I have never
made such a complaint; I challenge you to show me where I have.
 
> Better yet, why don't you go back to where you came from? You've done
> nothing but make trouble since the fucking 15th century.
 
I am where I'm from. My ancestors fought for this land many hundreds
of years ago; it's now ours and we're protecting and promoting our
interests.
 
> Take your asshole religion with you.
 
Take your asshole religion with you.
 
                        Arthur LeBouthillier
                       W H I T E    P O W E R
                    Think globally, act locally


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Subject: Re: White Power
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In article <012302Z17051994@anon.penet.fi>, an59142@anon.penet.fi (Tom Alter) writes:

> Lord Jesus taught the way of compassion and Love.
 
"Lord Jesus" said "I come but for the lost sheep of the house of Israel."
 
> Give up your hatred of other races. Love your fellow being regardless
> of the color of his or her skin.
 
Give up your hatred of us; stop misrepresenting our Cause.
 
> You will find the world will be a much better place if you do so.
 
I disagree with you.
 
>  When God does not discriminate why should you and I?
 
God created the races.
 
> Let us try to alleviate the sufferings of our brothers and sisters
> in the true spirit of Christianity.
 
No, let us secure the existence of our people and a future for White
children.
 
> I pray that God be with you in everything you do, and may He bless you
> in a very special way today.
 
He is always with me.
 
> Yours in Christ,
>	Tom
 
Yours in racial devotion,
Art


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Subject: Re: The Answer to All Problems...
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In article , feit@cs.buffalo.edu (Elissa Feit) writes:

>> No. Judge each person with how he benefits your nation.
>
> Why?
 
Because that is how to benefit and secure one's nation.
 
> Why? Why do you define "your people" in such a limited way?
 
Because that is how we have defined ourselves for centuries; moreover,
I feel that it is the good way to define a society. Why do you define
your people by such trivial things? In what ways am I not one of
"your people?" I bet you're going to say that anyone, who believes
anything can be "one of your people." Sorry, I don't want any part of
that.
 
> And why by the color of skin instead of immediate
> family/culture/gender/favorite radio station/whether you prefer
> doggie-style/whether you brush with crest or colgate/etc...
 
Why ask why, then? Nothing is important according to you.
 
I've never said that I am judging people by the color of their skin.
In fact, I am obviously categorizing by many more factors than skincolor;
I am categorizing by race and culture.
 
To me, what is important is the continuation of my culture and my
race. That is best accomplished in a society which is organized around
promoting those things. It will not happen by some chaotic cesspool
of multiculturalism/multi-racialism.
 
>> I am protecting the people from tyranny, from misdirection, from
>> genocide,
>
> Who's killing whom??
 
What? Can you read?
 
>> W H I T E  P O W E R
>
> Why?
 
Because it is good.
 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
                                  APendragon
                          AELeBouthill@CSUPomona.Edu
We must secure the existence of our people and a future for White children
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<


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Subject: Re: The Answer to All Problems...
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In article <16MAY199423344557@utarlg.uta.edu>, jjh1231@utarlg.uta.edu (HOGAN,JEFFREY,JOHN) writes:
 
> this is funny.  protecting your nation *snork* from tyranny by
> promoting all of the things you suggest to protect.  Ha! 
> It is good most people that are with your cause possess your
> same logic.  In the end, it will be the educated that survive.
> your'e so funny.  

I'm glad you have a sense of humour (well sort of). Also, judging by
the quality of your analysis and grammer AND if the educated will
be the ones who survive, I see I don't have to worry about you being
around. :)

Arthur LeBouthillier
I'm trying to think but nothing happens




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In article , all2uman@jabba.? (John Otteson) writes:

> Thank you for your honesty.  As I see it, your writing is based on
> emotion (specifically RAGE!) rather than reason.
 
Don't confuse your interpretation of my writing with my emotions.
 
>  I hope you come to some peace with the world.
 
Thank you.
 
> Take care,
 
You too.
 
Arthur LeBouthillier
 


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Subject: Re: White Power
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In article , cs932090@ariel.cs.yorku.ca (JOANNA I TIMARIU) writes:

> Ha. Hahahaha. How typical. This is so typical of someone who can only
> interpret the actions of others through what predominates THEIR
> life: hatred.
 
Yes, isn't this typical of people like you to misrepresent what was going
on in order to push your sick agenda.
 
>  He's telling you: love. You interpret it: hate.
 
Joanna, you're a sick puppy. Stop pretending you understand how I
interpreted what he said. I AM promoting love: the love of the White race.
I didn't interpret his as hatred, I asked him to stop misrepresenting our
cause as one of hatred.
 
> Despite this, I was quickly categorized (by you) as being anti-white. 
> You can't perceive the world unless you add this "anti" to everything ,
> do you?
 
Joanna, let me tell you a secret. I'm playing a little game with you
by playing the same trick that Jews play. If someone does something
that Jews don't like, suddenly he is an anti-Semite. George Bush
delays giving Israel 10 billion dollars and he is an anti-Semite to
the Jews. If someone says something that the Jews don't like, they're
an anti-Semite. If you advocate policies that are against the interests
of Whites, I will call you anti-White. I am not objective; I measure things
in accordance with how they benefit the White race.
 
> When I first started posting on this newsgroup, opposing racism of course,
> I'm quite , actually VERY sure I did not say anything against WHITES in
> general.
 
Actually, this shows YOUR hatred. The supreme court has stated that people
have a right to be racist. You are advocating that people oppose racism;
therefore, you are advocating that people oppose people exercising their
rights. Shame on you; how hateful of you.
 
>>> You will find the world will be a much better place if you do so.
>>
>>  I disagree with you.
>
> You simply leave me speachless . All I have left to say, is what Elise
> said: WHY? You failed to back yourself up in here.
 
Perhaps I should ask her why the world will be a better place if I do
what she advocates (I don't think it will). I think the world will be
a better place when everyone stops trying to destroy the White race.
 
>>   God created the races.
>
> And what a bad idea that has been...
 
The problem isn't that races exist, it's that people like you want to
force the races together and destroy them.
 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
                                  APendragon
                          AELeBouthill@CSUPomona.Edu
We must secure the existence of our people and a future for White children
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<



From: aelebouthill@csupomona.edu
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Subject: FAQ: WHITE POWER
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                        FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS
                              WHITE POWER
 
WHITE POWER
-----------
 
What is White Power?
 
   White Power is an empowering philosophy of White racial nationalism and
   ethnicity. It refers to a diverse range of philosophies from leftist
   National Socialism, to White Pride, to rightist White Supremacy. Perhaps
   the simplest imperative about what White Power stands for exists in
   the "14 words" coined by former Bruder Schweigen member, David Lane:
 
                  We must secure the existence of our people
                  and a future for White children.
 
Where does the term White Power come from?
 
   Although it is possibly a response to black nationalist Stokely
   Carmichael's book _Black_Power_, the phrase "White Power" was a
   popular term coined by participants at a George Lincoln Rockwell
   rally in Marquedt Park, Illinois in 1967. Spontaneously the
   attendants started rallying behind the call for White Power. It
   has been a popular phrase since then and was the title of George
   Lincoln Rockwell's book _White_Power_.
 
What is an Aryan?
 
   Aryan is a term that many ancient Indo-European peoples called
   themselves. It means "good," "best," or "noble." The ancient
   Hindus called themselves Aryans and derivitives of this term
   are evident in the country-names of Erin (Ireland) and Iran (Aryan).
   Today, some people of the European branch of Indo-Europeans call
   themselves that as a unique indicator of who they are and what their
   racial ideals are.
 
What is ZOG?
 
   ZOG (for Zionist Occupation Government ) is a euphamism for those
   governments which purport to represent white people while actually
   subscribing to an anti-white agenda. These governments often put
   "Israel First," while seconding the interests and desires of racial
   and nationalist whites for the interests of multi-racial societies and
   world government.
 
Aren't all White Power advocates White supremacists
 
    No. Supremacy refers to an alleged right to rule over other races.
    Although some White Power people are White Supremacists, many are
    not. Those who are not supremacists are actually White nationalists or
    separatists and advocate for the formation of a White homeland in
    a manner which does not deny the human rights of non-whites.
 
What differences are there in White Power groups?
 
   There are many different viewpoints collected under the term White Power.
   A few of the philosophical viewpoints are:
 
    Supremacists - Supremacist arguments state that the White race is
       inherently superior and therefore is justified in ruling over
       other peoples. They often state that Whites assuming power over
       all of the earth's inhabitants is doing them a favor since Whites
       are the only people superior enough to make good judgements.
 
    National Socialists - based on Adolf Hitler's doctrine as outlined
       in his book Mein Kampf, the adherents of this viewpoint often
       don't see this as a "right-wing" cause but rather as a racially
       progressive left-wing movement. National Socialism is founded
       on several doctrines: nationalism, the long-view of history and
       racism. It adheres to the viewpoint of The Leader Principle
       whereby a people are best led by strong leaders rather than by
       their inherent weaknesses which democracy brings out.
 
    Christian Identity - this religious doctrine believes that Whites
       are the true Israelites described in the bible. It adheres to a
       doctrine of two-creations in Genesis whereby God created all of
       the other animals and races and then created the Adamic (White)
       race. They cite the fact that Adam means "able to show blood in
       the face" which would refer uniquely to the White race. They also
       believe that Jesus's message has become corrupted because he did
       not come for all peoples, but as said in Matthew 15:24 "I am not
       sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel."
 
    White Nationalists - this refers to a number of ideological viewpoints
       which view the White race as an ethnic nation which must have its
       own homeland in order to survive. Its adherents believe that the
       only state which can legitimately represent the White race is one
       which is purposely organized to represent it.
 
    Separatists - this catch-all identifier applies to many people who
       are not ideological at all. They merely recognize that we Whites
       are a different people and that we must survive as a people. They
       advocate the separation of the races, usually in different
       homelands for the different races. Some separatists advocate
       "The Northwest Imperative" which calls for the formation of a
       White homeland in the Pacific Northwest.
 
    Often, many of these viewpoints are expressed within a single group.
    The members of these groups bring differing ideas about what the goals
    of White Power should be, what programs can best attain its ideals,
    what a good White society is and how a White nation-state should be
    organized. But, despite these differences they are all agreed on one
    point: The White race must survive.
 
What is a race?
 
    The word race derives from the Spanish word raza which means "line."
    It refers to genetic lineage. A race is a lineal ethnic group which
    because of its genetic heritage, exhibits unique phenotypic features
    or patterns. However, despite these genetic features, race also
    refers to an ethnicity and an ethnic identity that is based on these
    features. As racists use the term, it is not equivalent to the
    biological word "race" which is merely a sub-breeding group of a
    species. Although as racists use the term a race is a sub-breeding
    group of the human species, it also refers to a set of group ideals
    and norms consistent with the maintenance of that ethnic group.
 
What is racism?
 
    Racism is the promotion of a race and its interests. It refers to a
    desire to maintain a unique ethnic identity closely bound to the
    physical characteristics that define that group. It also refers to
    a whole body of social norms which are consistent with maintaining
    that group and promoting a society which is consistent with racial
    ideals.
 
What is race-mixing?
 
    Race-mixing is the mixing of races, also known as miscegenation.
    The term "race-mixer" refers to those who advocate mixed-race
    societies as an ideal and those who engage in sexual relations with
    those of other races. Race-mixing is highly frowned upon by racists
    and race-mixers are often severely admonished.
 
What is a Hammerskin?
 
   In Pink Floyd's _The_Wall_ movie, there is a video segment sung to
   the tune "Up against the Wall," where Pink takes on the visage of
   a powerful leader. During this sequence, hundreds of skinheads march
   through the street and chase the "Pakis" (Pakistanis) out of England.
   Although the movie is largely opposed to that viewpoint, young skinheads
   were emboldened by the image of strength and came to call themselves
   Hammerskins. As these groups spread throughout the U.S. and Canada,
   they took on regional prefixes like: Western Hammerskins, Northern
   Hammerskins, Confederate Hammerskins and other names.
 
Why do you hate?
Why do you hate Jews?
Why do you hate Blacks?
Why do you hate everybody?
 
   White Power advocates love their race. Because of that, they are
   strongly opposed to any attempts to harm it by means of loss of
   territory, loss of economic or political self-determination,
   disenfranchisement or race mixing. In order to preserve their race
   and its interests, they are often willing to engage in hostile
   acts against perceived threats to it.
 
Why don't you get a life?
 
    White Power advocates do have lives which are based on different
    principles and ideals from those of race-mixers.
 
CONTEMPORARY BOOKS ON WHITE POWER
---------------------------------
 
The following are somewhat "objective" in their appraisal of White Power
advocates:
 
    Blood In the Face by James Ridgeway
 
    The New Reich: Violent Extremism in unified Germany and beyond
       by Michael Schmidt
 
    Skinheads shaved for battle: a cultural history of American Skinheads
	by Jack B. Moore
 
    The Silent Brotherhood: Inside America's Racist Underground
        by Kevin Flynn and Gary Gerhardt
 
    Is God a racist: the right wing in Canada
        by Stanley R. Barrett
 
The following are heavily biased against White Power and often misrepresent it:
 
    Free to Hate: The rise of the right in post-communist Eastern Europe
        by Paul Hockenos
 
    Brotherhood of Murder
        by Thomas Martineze with John Guinther
 
    Skinhead Streetgangs
        by Loren Christensen. Paladin Books ISBN 0-87364-756-4
 
    Any ADL publication
 
MAGAZINE ARTICLES ABOUT WHITE POWER AND WHITE POWER SKINHEADS
-------------------------------------------------------------
 
    "Mainstream" Hatred by Mira L. Boland, ADL in The Police Chief
    magazine, June 1992 (other articles can be found in that issue
    and in other issues).
 
    Hitler's Offspring by Martin A. Lee in The Progressive, March 1993
 
    Hatred Rising: The Sound of Jackboots in Europe and Russia
        by Derek Ingram in World Press Review February 1994
 
    Inside South London's Nazi Headquarters
        in New Statesman and Society (British magazine) January 1993
 
    Long Day's Journey Into White by Kathy Dobie,
        in The Village Voice April 28, 1992
 
WHITE POWER BOOKDEALERS
-----------------------
 
   National Vanguard Books P.O. Box 330 Hillsboro WV 24946
 
   Aryan Free Press Books P.O. Box 6853 Champaign Illinois 61826
 
-- "Those who do not read have no advantage over those who cannot read." --
 
WHITE POWER NEWSLETTERS, NEWSPAPERS AND MAGAZINES
-------------------------------------------------
 
   WAR P.O. Box 65 Fallbrook Ca. 92088
 
   The War Eagle P.O. Box 6881 Champaign Illinois 61826
 
   Aryan Nations/Church of Jesus Christ Christian
      P.O. Box 362 Hayden, Idaho 83835
 
   New Order
     by NSDAP-AO P.O. Box 6414 Lincoln, Nebraska 68506
 
   Plexus: A National Socialist Theoretical Journal
     by National Worker's League P.O. Box 642376 Omaha Ne 68164-8376
 
   National Vanguard
     by National Alliance P.O. Box 330 Hillsboro WV 24946
 
   NS Kindred P.O. Box 256 N.S.J. Ca 95960
 
   Aryan Free Press Books P.O. Box 6853 Champaign Illinois 61826
 
   The Balance
      C/O Cause
      1101 Post Oak Blvd. Suite 9497
      Houston, TX 77056
 
   Stormfront: Forecast for Tomorrow
   P.O. Box 6637
   West Palm Beach, FL 33405
   
   Instauration
   Howard Allen Enterprises, Inc.
   Box 76
   Cape Canaveral, Florida 32920
   $20/year students $30/year regular
 
 
MUSIC, T-SHIRTS, SKINZINES
--------------------------
 
For North American White Power music, contact:
 
                       Resistance Records
                       P.O. Box 24700
                       Detroit, Michigan
                       48224, U.S.A.
 
                       Krowbar Records
                       P.O. Box 40383
                       Baton Rouge, Louisiana
                       70835-0383, USA
 
                       Totenkopf Services
                       1040 S. Mount Vernon
                       Suite 123
                       Colton, CA
                       92324, USA
 
For all Skrewdriver T-Shirts or CD's, contact:
 
                       Renewal of Identity (R.I.D.)
                       P.O. Box 249
                       Derby DE21 9EG
                       England
 
For the latest in White Power music, read:
 
                      Blood & Honour
                      B.M. Box 5608
                      London, WC1 3XX
                      England
 
                      +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 
                      Blood & Honor
                      P.O. Box 1234
                      Long Beach, CA
                      90801 USA
 
                      $3.00/issue US and Canada
                      $4.00/issue International
                      $18.00/6 issues US and Canada
                      $24.00/6 issues International
 
                      +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 
                      Rampage: A Skinhead Voice
                      P.O. Box 19
                      Coalville
                      Leicester LE67 1DS
                      England
 
                      +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 
                      SledgeHammer: The Voice of the White Nations,
                      by the Northern Hammer Skins
                      PO Box 428
                      Gatineau Quebec, J8P 7A1 Canada
 
                      $25.00/yr. (12 issues) in Canada
                      $30.00/yr. U.S.
                      $35.00/yr. Overseas
                      All rates are in Canadian funds
    
                      +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 
                      Resistance
                      The Music Magazine of the True Alternative
                      P.O. Box 24700
                      Detroit, Michigan 48224 USA
 
                      $12.00/yr (4 issues)
 
                      Resistance is one of the best quality White Power
                      music magazines around.
 
 
HOTLINES ( Telephone numbers to hear a White Power message )
------------------------------------------------------------
 
                      WAR (White Aryan Resistance)
                      Fallbrook, California, USA
                      (619) 723-8996
 
                      Equal Rights for Whites
                      Canada
                      (416) 699-4868
 
                      Euro-Canadian Action Line
                      Canada
                      (416) 631-3545
 
                      Info Line for Shows & Events
                      (416) 631-3927
 
POWS   Soldiers captured while fighting for their racial nation
----   --------------------------------------------------------
 
   David Tate W/155209                Frank Silva #09993-016
   Missouri State Prison              B2 Room 422
   P.O. Box 900                       P.O. Box PMB
   Jefferson City, MO 65102           Atlanta, GA 30315
 
 
   David Lane #12873-057              Bruce Pierce 04181-085
   P.O. Box 1000                      P.O. Box 1000
   Leavenworth, KS 66048              Marion, IL 62959
 
 
   Randy Evans 09882-016              Gary Yarbrough
   P.O. Box 1000                      #09883-016 US PEN.
   Marion, IL 62959                   A-206 P.O. Box 1000
                                      Leavenworth, KS 66048
 
   Yorie Von Kahl 04565-059           Richard Scutari
   Box 1000, J-3 Unit                 #34840-080
   Lewisburg, PA 17837                P.O. Box 1000
                                      Marion, IL 62959
 
MARTYRS FOR OUR MOVEMENT
------------------------
 
Robert Jay Mathews
  Born: 16 January, 1949
  Died: 8 December 1984
  Summary: Founder of the Bruderschweigen (The Silent Brotherhood),
    sometimes called The Order. Bob Mathews fought for his racial
    nation until he was immolated by the FBI at a Whidbey Island
    shootout.
 
Gordon Kahl
  Died: 3 June 1983
  Summary: A leader of the Posse Commitatus, Gordon Kahl was shot
    and immolated by the FBI.
 
Samuel Weaver
  Died: 21 August 1992
  Summary: 14-year old Samual was shot in the bag by Feds who were
    trespassing on his father's property.
 
Vicki Weaver
  Died: 4 June 1983
  Summary: Shot in the face by Fed sniper Lon Haruchi while holding
    her baby.
 
 
 We must secure the existence of our people and a future for White children
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+      This FAQ is maintained by Arthur LeBouthillier; any corrections      +
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From: aelebouthill@csupomona.edu
Newsgroups: alt.skinheads
Subject: Re: FAQ: WHITE POWER
Date: 22 May 94 21:44:33 PST
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In article <2rp39s$lta@search01.news.aol.com>, chele2@aol.com (Chele2) writes:
 
>> Long Day's Journey Into White by Kathy Dobie,
>>        in The Village Voice April 28, 1992
> 
> I have this article if anyone is interested.  
 

Yes, that was one of the better articles on White Power and women in
the White Power Movement. I liked it.

Arthur LeBouthillier
Not Left, not right, just White.



From: aelebouthill@csupomona.edu
Newsgroups: alt.skinheads
Subject: Re: FAQ: WHITE POWER
Date: 23 May 94 17:07:42 PST
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In article <1994May23.210706.10162@cs.wm.edu>, archon@physics.physics.wm.edu (Patrick Crotty) writes:

> The simple fact is that no matter how you look at it, racial seperatism
> always breeds racial violence.
 
Prove it; just because you say it is so doesn't make it true. If the
existence of my racial nation requires violence, then violence is
acceptable.
 
Actually, it's the other way around: The simple fact is that no matter
how you look at it, racial integration always breeds racial violence.
 
> It is inconceivable in this modern day and age that whites and blacks
> could live in seperate geographical zones in this country without race
> war resulting.
 
It's not inconceivable to me.
 
> What I see on this newsgroup is people trying to put forth the idea that
> white seperatism can exist in the absence of white supremacy, and that by
> extension black seperatism and any other sort of seperatism are viable
> options.
 
I don't care whether supremacy goes away; I only want a White country.
 
Anyways, what I see coming from your chubby little fingers is genocide
and loss of self-determination.
 
> It becomes presented as a matter of saving one's race rather than    
> attacking someone else's, so that you regain some moral ground in this
> post-civil-rights era.
 
What I see coming from you is an attempt to portray yourself as some
kind of moderate who loves humanity when in fact you have utterly
no concern for anybody's wishes or desires for who they are or how
they want to live.
 
> Baloney.  They tried that in South Africa, and we all know the
> consequences. 
 
Balogna. They didn't try it in South Africa so stop lying. The U.N.
offered White South Africans complete autonomy in 1957 but they turned
it down.
 
> Whenever large-scale, legal distinctions are made on the basis of race,
> and something like this "racial homeland" idea is actually instituted,
> one race will inevitably feel that it has gotten a worse deal than the
> other, and resentment will occur.
 
I don't care as long as the White race survives.
 
>  The two homelands would have to have diplomatic and economic contact,
> and small problems in these areas would be tremendously magnified by the
> unspoken but present hostility.
 
Don't pretend you can predict the future. Besides, what is your point?
Virtually every country on the face of the planet has those problems.
 
> Eventually, conflict would happen.
 
If it is inevitable, so be it. However, again, don't pretend you can
predict the future.
 
>  Perhaps it could work if the technology were five hundred years behind
> what it is now, but these days, with modern communications and
> transportation (not to mention an incredibly interlocked world economy),
> artificially created racial zones, especially in the U.S., could never
> be anything but a nightmare for both parties.
 
Existence is struggle.
 
> Face it.  "White" and "Black" are becoming more and more archaic terms.
 
Really? Each and every day the White race becomes more important to me.
The increase in racial crimes doesn't seem to imply that these are
becoming "archaic" terms. From my perspective, America is becoming an
archaic and meaningless therm.
 
> Our great-great-grandchildren will be light to medium brown.
 
Maybe yours but not mine.
 
> A century from now, all races but the human one will have vanished.
> And what a blessed relief that will be.
 
Not if I can help it.
 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
                          Arthur LeBouthillier
                       AELeBouthill@CSUPomona.Edu
                      The White race must survive.
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From: aelebouthill@csupomona.edu
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Subject: Re: FAQ: WHITE POWER
Date: 23 May 94 21:21:01 PST
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In article <1994May24.004512.13907@cs.wm.edu>, archon@physics.physics.wm.edu (Patrick Crotty) writes:

>>  The simple fact is that no matter how you look at it, racial integration
>> always breeds racial violence.
>
> When hate-mongers like you are running around, yes.
 
Well whether you like it or not, there ARE people like me running around.
People like me refuse to accept the future you have so kindly charted
for us and for the future of our nation and we will fight for it and the
good which it represents.
 
Besides, you're the hatemonger, you're the one who hates the White race.
Better yet, you're the one who hates ALL races and looks forward to a
future where all races have disappeared. Why do you hate so much?
 
>  "Genocide" implies killing a group of people - pray tell, who am I
> killing?
 
Genocide is the killing of ethnic groups. It doesn't even have to come
about as a product of killing people. It can result in any manner of
forced programs which ultimately lead to the destruction of an ethnic
group. Such things as sterilization, re-education and mass relocations
are also recognized as genocide. Whether you like it or not, there are
people with White identity who object to and will fight against any attempts
to bring about the dissolution of our people through force or guile. You want
to eliminate us; you are a genocidalist.
 
> And true self-determination is not for a *race* but for the *individual*.
 
True, but it is in accordance with people's right to self-determination
that they form and associate themselves into cultural groups. Moreover,
groups of individuals have rights as well. No government has a right to
rule over a people that does not want to give up their sovereignty to it.
We refuse to give our sovereignty to a government which is hostile to our
racial nation. It is under the U.S. gov't and so-called "civil-rights"
where our property, contractual and associational rights have been denied.
 
> "Race" is a myth.
 
No less a myth than your race-mixed utopia. Anyways, as I use it, race is
NOT a myth. If you read in my faq, it refers to genetic lineage; it is a
fact that people have lineages. It is dependent upon people's societal
goals to determine who the members of their society are. Ergo, that I come
from a certain lineage and hold that lineage as the basis of my society
are facts.
 
> I don't mind if someone wants to be who they are or live in a certain
> way, just so long as it does not preclude somebody else from doing the
> same.
 
In other words, you preclude people from exercising their rights. It is
within people's right to form a representative government, freely form
associations as well as exercise their cultural rights. No one has a
right to not be "precluded."
 
> You are a human being and God's child, but no more and no less than a
> black man.
 
Exactly. And if blacks have the right to their own nation-states, so do
White people. If Mexicans have the right to their own state, so do White
people. If Singaporans have the right to their own state, so do Whites.
If Kuwaitis have the right to their own country, so do White people. If
Palestinians have the right to their own country, so do Whites. If the
Jews have the right to their own country, so do Whites. We *WILL* have
our own country.
 
> When everything else fades away (pardon the pun), the *human* will be
> all that is left.
 
Humanity is a myth.
 
> Why?  What's so great about it, as distinct from its many
> accomplishments?
 
Accomplishments mean nothing. My race is the embodiment of all that
I see as good. It is the basis of my society. It carries my closest
relatives and family and a society based on the promotion of it is
the best kind that I can imagine.
 
Race and culture co-develop. My race is interwoven with its culture and
the two are inseparable. My culture tells me who my people are and what
my obligation to them is. I have my own standards of good and beauty which
obviously do not coincide with yours. I will not give those things up for
you or for anyone else; I freely recognize the beauty that is represented
in my racial identity. If the choice is between a White future or a
"brown" future which you so prophetically predict, I will fight for what
I know is good and beautiful: the White race. The White race must survive.
 
In response I ask: Why must "humanity" (which I deny exists) survive at the
expense of the White race?
 
> Why shouldn't the other races survive as well?
 
They should. You're the one who is advocating the elimination of all
races. I am merely calling for the survival of my own.
 
> Why shouldn't the *human* race survive?
 
Why should it survive at the expense of the White race? Anyways, stop being
a half-wit. Earlier you said that race was a myth and now you are pretending
that there is a human race. Which is it? Either race exists or it doesn't.
 
>>  Besides, what is your point? Virtually every country on the face of the
>> planet has those problems.
>
> You've just shot yourself in the foot. If every country does have these
> problems, then doesn't that make it all the more imperative to fix them
> and make sure that they don't happen again?
 
Ahhh! I see your problem: you can't reason properly! That every country
in the world faces a certain problem does not imply that 1) you should
attempt to fix it or 2) that the problem can be fixed or 3) that you
should "fix" the situation in accordance with the old adage of "throwing
the baby out with the bathwater." Every country faces problems because
they are struggling to exist from a lack of internal resources and the
means to properly convey those resources in accordance with the goals
of that society. There are finite resources of energy, food, labor,
education and many other resources which must be balanced against many
other interests in order to guarantee the existence of that nation as
a social and political entity. But all of these are means to their end:
the maintenance of their society.
 
> Precisely because of people like Tom Metzger, David Duke, Louis Farrakhan,
> and Khalid Muhammad, who would deny that we have any common ground other
> than mutual hatred of each other.
 
You are misrepresenting the Cause of each of these people. Although I
don't always agree with each of them, I think each of them is a great
and visionary leader in his own right. I respect both the White and
Black nationalist leaders highly.
 
> American society is pulling apart at the seams because we scoff at the
> idea that we are all brothers.
 
"American" society (another myth) is not worth maintaining at the expense
of the White race. America was created to be a White nation and it is
only because people like you want to destroy the true heritage and ideals
of America that it is "pulling apart." So, if America is pulling apart,
I say "Good! Good riddance to it! It is not more important than the White
race." We Whites can establish a new country (we might even call it
America again) and that this multi-racial regime might finally die, like
the diseased carcass that it is, is a good thing. The White race must
survive.
 
> Besides, what would you do if your daughter married a black man?  Disown
> her?
 
What if your son became a racist?
 
>  I would think you'd choose to gain a son rather than lose a daughter.
> And then you'd see the light.
 
For me, light is White.
 
---------------------------
Arthur LeBouthillier
The White race, right or wrong.


From: aelebouthill@csupomona.edu
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Subject: Re: The Answer to All Problems...
Date: 23 May 94 21:44:24 PST
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In article , acelaa@ocelot.oau.org (Armin Celaa') writes:

AC>  You resort to picking on his grammar when you can't think of a good
AC> rebuttal when he cornered you? Typical bonehead response! Cmon now,
AC> show us how great your white mind is, answer his statement with a real
AC> response.
 
He didn't corner me. He said nothing of any value and he said nothing
in a very ungrammatical manner. Therefore, I had fun with him.
 
He said:
 
JJH> this is funny.  protecting your nation *snork* from tyranny by
JJH> promoting all of the things you suggest to protect.  Ha!    
JJH> It is good most people that are with your cause possess your
JJH> same logic.  In the end, it will be the educated that survive.
JJH> your'e so funny.   
 
What points are there? Let's take it sentence by sentence:
 
JJH>  this is funny.
 
That's his opinion. I thought something was kind of funny too so I
respond with humour.
 
JJH>  protecting your nation *snork* from tyranny by promoting all of the
JJH> things you suggest to protect.
 
This is a non-sensical sentence because the referents aren't obvious.
I'm not a fucking mind-reader. If he doesn't write intelligably, I
can't understand what he says.
 
Anyways, what little I can glean from the non-sensical sentence is
nothing that I have said so it would be a straw-man argument. There is
a glimmer of something intelligible in his post but what that glimmer
suggests is not inconsistent so, again, it is a meaningless sentence.
 
JJH>  Ha!   
 
Ha?
 
JJH> It is good most people that are with your cause possess your
JJH> same logic. 
 
This statement is an opinion. To say that something is "good" is
merely an opinion. Obviously he thinks that there is something wrong
with my (and other White's) reasoning style. However, the basis of
the fault is his earlier non-sensical sentence which was a lead-in
for this straw-man argument.
 
AC>  Cmon now, show us how great your white mind is, answer his
AC> statement with a real response.
 
Again, this is a strawman argument on YOUR part. I have never made
any claims to a "great white mind" (I challange you to show me where
I have). I have responded to a non-sensical post by showing that it
WAS non-sensical and ridiculous. An adequate response to such a post
would be to either 1) point out the inconsistencies or 2) make fun of
it (which I did).
 
Arthur LeBouthillier
Peace through superior firepower.


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In article <1994May24.060857.17716@cs.wm.edu>, archon@physics.physics.wm.edu (Patrick Crotty) writes:

>  But I think that the concept of a "race" other than in the strict
> biologgical sense, as in homo sapiens or homo habilus, is outdated
> and contrived.
 
I think that it is merely a kind of ethnicity.
 
> Where, after all, is the boundary between White and Black?  In the
> Turks?  In the Levantine peoples?  In the Arabs?  The Berbers?  The
> Ethiopians?  There's no sharp deliniation.
 
Sure there is; there is the presence or absence of certain traits that
ethnic groups consider definitive of themselves.
 
> Even many Eastern Europeans are often closer in appearence and ancestry
> to the Asians than they are to what I presume are your Gallic forbears.
 
What's your point?
 
> I don't hate races so much as I deny that they have any real existence.
 
You hate it so much that you deny its existence. A race is as much a
cultural entity as it represents true breeding patterns. For after all,
it comes down to people deciding that particular traits and lineages are
acceptable and important. Additionally, by controlling racial patterns,
one controls many cultural factors. To be for the mixing of races is
to be for the mixing of cultures; the two are inseparable. Therefore,
when I say that I want to preserve my race, I am also saying that I
want to preserve my culture.
 
> The key word is "forced."  No one is "forcing" whites and blacks to
> intermarry; there are no concentration camps for Caucasians in this
> country.
 
We are being "forced" by the rights that are denied us by the government.
The U.S. Gov't denies certain property rights of us, takes our property
to promote social programs which are harmful to our race and limits the
activities we might take to stop the destruction of our race. Moreover,
it is imposing the presence of millions of non-Whites into our society
through immigration. By all observations, it is intent on destroying the
White race. Lastly, through its regulation of media and school programs,
it is forcing the education of White children to find the presence of
non-whites into their community acceptable. It is not acceptable.
 
> You seem to be suggesting that white people cannot be trusted
> to do this, and therefore must be kept seperate so as not to dilute
> their blood.
 
They could make the proper choices if there weren't numerous government
programs to miseducate them and misrepresent racism and they were taught
the true beauty of their race.
 
> As a white person, I find this condescending and offensive.
 
I don't really care if you're offended; you don't seem to care if *I'm*
offended.
 
> The "rights" of any citizen or group do not include the "right" to
> oppress someone else (and before you twist this against me, let me
> say that I do consider things like affirmative action to be oppressive
> and unfair, but not basic civil rights guarantees).
 
Then you admit that Whites are being oppressed by this government.
 
> Yes, there are genetic differences between a white man and a black man,
> but only to the extent of determining hair type or skin pigmentation.
> The genetic distance between them is far, far smaller than it is between
> either one and a Neanderthal.  "Race" is thus quite meanginless.
 
Race, like anything, is as meaningful as people make it. It is not
meaningless to me and that you would try to say it is and make that idea
the basis of the policy of the government that is supposed to represent
me is proof of why the U.S. cannot adequately represent the interests of
Whites. Moreover, it is proof of why people like you are not legitimate
country-men.
 
> But what is becoming obsolete is the idea that people have the right
> to their own country *solely* or even *primarily* based upon their
> ethnic group.
 
It is becoming that way because states want it that way. I don't think
that it is an obsolete idea. It represents the idea that governments
are created by and for men and that no government has the right to
rule over a people despite their wishes and promote policies which
are destructive to their interests.
 
> I am convinced that this recent spate of micro-nationalism will not
> last very long, as the resulting economic instability makes it 
> impossible to sustain.
 
I am convinced that this recent spate of internationalist/multi-racialist
statism will not last very long, as the result the social instability makes
it impossible to sustain.
 
> Also, "White" is an extreme oversimplification for a group that includes
> Spaniards, Frenchmen, Englishmen, Irishmen, Germans, Scandanavians,
> Poles, Italians, Greeks, and Russians, to name a few; just as "Black" is
> for Ashantes, Zulus, Xhosas, Tutsis, and Mandingos.
 
It is not an extreme oversimplification. It is an ethnic identity that
many people with those heritages share.
 
>  If you truly wanted to be fair in the manner you described, each one
> of these groups should get its own sub-country in the overall "White"
> and "Black" countries.
 
I don't want to unite all of the White peoples of the world under one
state. The European ethnics can keep whatever political arrangement they
feel sufficiently represents their interests. I merely want a White
nation-state in North America; the United States is not only not
representative of White interests, it is outright hostile to them.
 
> The rational, logical, and me inevitable form of government is 
> that of a world federation of partially sovereign states - sort of
> like our own U.S. on a global scale.
 
Of course it is only "rational, logical and inevitable" if one starts
out with that as a premise. To me, there is nothing rational, logical
or inevitable about it. I don't see that the United States is
representative of my interests so I definitely don't see how a bigger
government with more racial groups founded on the same principles would
be "rational, logical and inevitable." The loss of self-determination
that such a world government would represent wouldn't be rational
or logical.
 
> And in these states, racial, ethnic, and nationalistic factors will
> become decreasingly important as time goes on.
 
Which is precisely why I think there is nothing rational or logical
about such states.
 
> Your writing is passionate and clearly heartfelt, but short on logic.
 
Saying it is so doesn't make it so. Point out the non-sequiturs or stop
claiming it.
 
> You seem to be envisioning your race as an almost living entity,
> superceding and nearly independent of the people who make it up.
 
No, I am envisioning my race as an almost living entity because of
the people who make it up.
 
> But its blurry outlines and relatively superficial definition make
> this rather questionable.
 
You know what a white person is; you said you were one yourself. So
how are you able to make that distinction if it is blurry? Again, you
either come from a particular lineage and hold a society based on its
promotion important or you don't.
 
> "Humanity", by contrast, is far closer to being one living thing than
> are its sub-groupings.
 
Nonsense. What does all of earth's inhabitants hold in contradistinction
to what any single nation has?
 
> 1)  Many nations around the world have racial problems.
> 2)  If many nations suffer from a problem, then many people do.
>
> 1) & 2) =     
> 3)  A great deal of people suffer from racial problems.
>
> 4)  The more people that suffer from a particular problem, the more    
>     urgent it is to fix it.
>
> 3) & 4) =         
> 5)  It is quite urgent to fix racial problems.
 
I deny that statement 1 is valid. That many people have racial problems
does not mean that they all perceive themselves as having the same
problem. People's problems cannot be evaluated without respect to the
particular goals they have. Obviously, for the Hutus of Rwanda, the
problem is that there *IS* another race in their homeland: the Tutsis.
The "racial" problem of the Hutus is not the same "racial" problem of
the Tutsis. "Racial problems" is an abstraction of many conflicting
problems. Finally, does race exist or not? If not, then there aren't any
racial problems. So, you have to either admit that races exist or stop
saying that there are racial problems.
 
Statement 2 is legitimate.
 
Because statement one is shaky, statement three is shaky.
 
The rest of the reasoning is highly simplified and almost childish in
how it represents problems and solutions to them. Statement four is
somewhat valid but not in the way that you state it. Obviously many
people suffer from Jock Itch, but it is not more important than their
need for water. Goals exist in a hierarchy; your syllogism doesn't
reflect that reality. The proof of this can be seen by replacing the
word "race" with any of the following words: "economic," "political,"
"bear," "water," "entertainment," or virtually any word. The problem
is not that you come to a conclusion that some effort should be
dedicated to a problem, but that there is no way of relating a
particular problem to all of the other problems that people have.
 
Lastly, the problem with "race" is that states and other racial groups
want to impose social situations on another race that it unacceptable
to it. So, if I am going to agree that it is urgent to solve racial
problems, I'm not going to come to the same "solution" that you do.
Your "solution" to race is to deny that it exists and try to impose
social "solutions" that are problems in themselves. Ergo, your "solutions"
are also part of the "racial" problems that you talked about in statement
one. My solution to racial problems is to recognize the existence of races
and to try to give them greater degrees of autonomy, not to try to erase
them from the face of the earth.
 
> And what about the maintenance of *global* society, which cuts across
> racial and ethnic lines and, whether or not you like it, exists and
> will continue to?
 
The maintenance of global society is not more important than the
maintenance of the White race. If there is any need to maintain a
global society, it would be as a means to an end, and not as a higher
end than the race itself. That a global society might be important to
our sustenance does not mean that we should sacrifice our social
existence for the benefit of it. But again, global society would be a
means and not an end.
 
> So what is your opinion of people like Martin Luther King, who was
> a greater and more noble human being than Metzger or Farrakhan will
> ever be?
 
I thought you said that people were equal? Now you are saying that
some guy is greater and more noble than others! Anyways, I disagree
with you about that.
 
I don't hold his ideals; what he represents is antithesis to what I hold
as good. However, he was somewhat effective at what he sought to do
( I think; I say this because I'm not sure that he actually accomplished
his goals; that people idolize him does not mean that he was effective ).
 
> The "true heritage" of America:  racial seperatism?  The "ideals" of
> America:  white supremacy?  I think not.  There is nary a word in in
> the Constitution which makes reference to America being a "White nation."
 
That's because there was never any doubt that that is what it stood for.
However, in numerous cases leading up to the Civil War and culminating
with the Dred Scott decision, that idea was stated. The purpose of the
Constitution is stated in the Preamble. "We the people" did not refer to
non-whites.
 
> I'd make him listen to King's "I Have a Dream" speech.  I don't think   
> he'd remain a racist for very long.
 
So in other words, you'd try to indoctrinate him in a different goal? I
would do no differently. Perhaps I'd make my daughter read some Kipling,
Abraham Lincoln or Thomas Jefferson to see what is good.
 
You could make me listen to his "I have a Dream" speech and it wouldn't
change me. In fact, I would see that speech as a representation of why
I must work harder to dispell his "I have a myth" speech. From my
perspective, what he is talking about is not a dream, but a nightmare.
 
---------------------
Arthur LeBouthillier
*I* have a dream too.



From: aelebouthill@csupomona.edu
Newsgroups: alt.skinheads
Subject: Re: FAQ: WHITE POWER
Date: 24 May 94 11:05:05 PST
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In article <2rtca6$pba@bach.udel.edu>, rabbit@bach.udel.edu writes:

> I realized that no matter how much I argue with some people it just won't 
> do any good. So let's give it a rest... pretty please with a cherry on    
> top. It's really giving me a headache.
 
I'll respect your wishes.
 
> And before anyone starts blaming anyone about who started it, artie did
> by posting that damn FAQ again.
 
Who loves ya' baby? :-b
 
> How about a truce, huh? The racist won't say anything about politics and
> neither will the anti-racists. That includes the white power FAQ BTW.
 
I am willing to stop further discussion of a political nature. However,
I am not accepting a truce and I reserve the right to post political
retorts. I will continue posting the FAQ and if you don't like people's
responses, kindly tell them to fuck off and e-mail me directly. Any
further discussion of a political nature, I will continue on
alt.discrimination.
 
Love always, Art.


From: aelebouthill@csupomona.edu
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Subject: Re: FAQ: WHITE POWER
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In article <2rvh2r$khc@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk>, bsubf@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Pitt.) writes:
 
> E-mail you directly? Every time I've tried, the mail has been bounced.
> Is there a problem at your end? I don't think it's here!
> 
> Ah well - hope it clears up soon!

To Pitt. and anyone else who has tried to e-mail me, try again. I had
accidently exceeded my diskquota and they system wouldn't let me accept
any more data.

For blood and honour,
Arthur LeBouthillier



From: aelebouthill@csupomona.edu
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In article <19940526073828UOD2891@MVS.UDEL.EDU>, UOD2891@MVS.UDEL.EDU (shaun flanagan) writes:

Miss Shawn, what a fucking turd you are. You bitch and whine about my
political postings and then, after I stop, you start posting your
own political viewpoint. I recognize that you have a right to
post your viewpoint but consequently, so do I.
 
I know, you're going to say "...but he asked me a question..." But,
sweetie pie, so do people ask me questions. Anyways, that's it. I'm
not going to stop posting political commentary. However, in the future,
I will post on a wider array of topics than merely politics.
 
Have a nice life.
 
Love sometimes, Artie.
 


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In article <1994May25.112026.18026@srd.bt.co.uk>, jmccullo@fmg.bt.co.uk (Jon McCulloch) writes:

> You are are obviously a very intelligent man. How come you can believe
> all this White Supremacy nonsense?
 
I don't believe in White Supremacy "nonsense;" I believe in White nationalist
"nonsense." Also, I don't think it is nonsense. It is a vitally important
philosophy of politics and society.
 
You're obviously intelligent too, so how can you believe that the future
that Whites are having forced on them is good? If you let immigration
continue in England, you will have millions of sodden Pakis and such
and England will no longer have anything to do with its past and the
"Real" English and Welsh and Scots will be in a quagmire of a future.
I can't permit that; I have too much concern for my people. And yes,
the British are my people too: I was born eligible for citizenship in
the U.S., Canada and Britain and my mother is British. I know what
is going on in Britain, Canada, America, and every other European
country and that means a loss of self-determination for Europeans/Whites.
 
I don't think that if you were to ask any of the European peoples if they
look forward to a future where all European countries no longer had
their own unique historical cultures but instead some metropolitan,
multi-racial monstrosity.
 
> I personally think you are misguided; no, plain wrong.
 
And that's exactly how I feel about you. You pretend you have some
great love for the peoples of the world yet you aren't even willing
to show a smidgen of concern for the interests of Europeans/Whites.
I think that is evil.
 
>  Why are you so obsessed with the White race and what it may or may
> not stand for?
 
Because I think it is fundamentally good and a thing that must be
preserved; however, due the results of thinking like your's, every
country in which white people live is being forced to accept some
fithy multi-racial/cultural society. I live in Los Angeles which is
the armpit of the world because it gets the flood from Mexico, but
the trends here are happening all across America and Europe. If it
comes down to a matter of whose dream for the future will be realized,
I reject your's and will fight for a better future for White people.
 
>  If all you have got to worry about in life is the colour of people's
> skin, then I congratulate you. You must be a very untroubled man.
 
You're misrepresenting what I'm talking about. It is not merely skin
color; it is a host of other things like culture, race, and the
future.
 
In fact, I am very troubled with trends that I have seen in my lifetime
and I will not accept those trends being infinitely progressed into
the future. If it means I must sacrifice my life in order to make a
better future for Whites, I am willing to do it.
 
Arthur LeBouthillier
   White Progress
 
P.S. Shaun, fuck you. You whine that I post political talks and then
     you go and post your political viewpoint. Fuck you.


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Subject: Re: Wot's all this then?
Date: 26 May 94 13:34:05 PST
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In article <19940526140834UOD2891@MVS.UDEL.EDU>, UOD2891@MVS.UDEL.EDU (shaun flanagan) writes:

> I would also like to say that it shows your lack of gray matter when
> you stoop to name calling.
 
I'm not self-conscious about the quality of my gray matter or lack
thereof.
 
> You tend to be an intelligent,articulate, person, artie. What
> happened? Did you eat a brain tumor for breakfast?
 
I never said that I was above name-calling. I just tend to avoid it
since it usually has no purpose other than venting anger (which is
what I was doing).
 
> I meant that. I have no intentions of getting into a long winded
> arguement in order to defend my beleifs.
 
Right, there's another newsgroup for that: alt.politics.homosexuality.
 
> But if you will note, I didn't bring the subject up, unlike yourself
> and your constent rantings about your precious FAQ.
 
But if you will note, I didn't bring the subject up, unlike yourself
and YOUR constant rantings about my precious FAQ. I was merely
responding to questions raised by other people.
 
> BTW artie, I have a very productive life with a nice job, a wonderful
> SO, a nice cat, and a productive brain. I'd rather keep this one,
> thank you very much.
 
What? Do you want a pat on the head or something?  I didn't ask.
 
Arthur LeBouthillier
People and Homeland


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Subject: Northwest Imperative
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                   The NorthWest Imperative Newsletter
 
    A new newsletter, Northwest Imperative, has just come out. Published
by the Northwest Concern, subtitled The Northwest Migration Association,
the newsletter is of high quality and speaks from a separatist viewpoint.
It advocates for the formation of a White nation-state consisting of the
states of Washington, Oregon, and Idaho.
 
    In order to support the migration, this newsletter publishes a list
of newspapers, and commerce, employment bureaus in the Northwest. A list
of organizations in the Pacific Northwest is also included.
 
    The Northwest Imperitive is also looking for contributors for their
fine little paper.
 
Because there isn't a statement about cost in the newsletter, I assume
that it is free of charge; however, send a few dollars to help with
postage and printing.
 
                       Northwest Imperative
                       P.O. Box 5892
                       Portland, Oregon
                       97208



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Subject: FAQ: W H I T E  P O W E R
Date: 29 May 94 08:42:27 PST
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                        FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS
                              WHITE POWER
 
WHITE POWER
-----------
 
What is White Power?
 
   White Power is an empowering philosophy of White racial nationalism and
   ethnicity. It refers to a diverse range of philosophies from leftist
   National Socialism, to White Pride, to rightist White Supremacy. Perhaps
   the simplest imperative about what White Power stands for exists in
   the "14 words" coined by former Bruder Schweigen member, David Lane:
 
                  We must secure the existence of our people
                  and a future for White children.
 
Where does the term White Power come from?
 
   Although it is possibly a response to black nationalist Stokely
   Carmichael's book _Black_Power_, the phrase "White Power" was a
   popular term coined by participants at a George Lincoln Rockwell
   rally in Marquedt Park, Illinois in 1967. Spontaneously the
   attendants started rallying behind the call for White Power. It
   has been a popular phrase since then and was the title of George
   Lincoln Rockwell's book _White_Power_.
 
What is an Aryan?
 
   Aryan is a term that many ancient Indo-European peoples called
   themselves. It means "good," "best," or "noble." The ancient
   Hindus called themselves Aryans and derivitives of this term
   are evident in the country-names of Erin (Ireland) and Iran (Aryan).
   Today, some people of the European branch of Indo-Europeans call
   themselves that as a unique indicator of who they are and what their
   racial ideals are.
 
What is ZOG?
 
   ZOG (for Zionist Occupation Government ) is a euphemism for those
   governments which purport to represent white people while actually
   subscribing to an anti-white agenda. These governments often put
   "Israel First," while seconding the interests and desires of racial
   and nationalist whites for the interests of multi-racial societies and
   world government.
 
Aren't all White Power advocates White supremacists
 
    No. Supremacy refers to an alleged right to rule over other races.
    Although some White Power people are White Supremacists, many are
    not. Those who are not supremacists are actually White nationalists or
    separatists and advocate for the formation of a White homeland in
    a manner which does not deny the human rights of non-whites.
 
What differences are there in White Power groups?
 
   There are many different viewpoints collected under the term White Power.
   A few of the philosophical viewpoints are:
 
    Supremacists - Supremacist arguments state that the White race is
       inherently superior and therefore is justified in ruling over
       other peoples. They often state that Whites assuming power over
       all of the earth's inhabitants is doing them a favor since Whites
       are the only people superior enough to make good judgements.
 
    National Socialists - based on Adolf Hitler's doctrine as outlined
       in his book Mein Kampf, the adherents of this viewpoint often
       don't see this as a "right-wing" cause but rather as a racially
       progressive left-wing movement. National Socialism is founded
       on several doctrines: nationalism, the long-view of history and
       racism. It adheres to the viewpoint of The Leader Principle
       whereby a people are best led by strong leaders rather than by
       their inherent weaknesses which democracy brings out.
 
    Christian Identity - this religious doctrine believes that Whites
       are the true Israelites described in the bible. It adheres to a
       doctrine of two-creations in Genesis whereby God created all of
       the other animals and races and then created the Adamic (White)
       race. They cite the fact that Adam means "able to show blood in
       the face" which would refer uniquely to the White race. They also
       believe that Jesus's message has become corrupted because he did
       not come for all peoples, but as said in Matthew 15:24 "I am not
       sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel."
 
    White Nationalists - this refers to a number of ideological viewpoints
       which view the White race as an ethnic nation which must have its
       own homeland in order to survive. Its adherents believe that the
       only state which can legitimately represent the White race is one
       which is purposely organized to represent it.
 
    Separatists - this catch-all identifier applies to many people who
       are not ideological at all. They merely recognize that we Whites
       are a different people and that we must survive as a people. They
       advocate the separation of the races, usually in different
       homelands for the different races. Some separatists advocate
       "The Northwest Imperative" which calls for the formation of a
       White homeland in the Pacific Northwest.
 
    Often, many of these viewpoints are expressed within a single group.
    The members of these groups bring differing ideas about what the goals
    of White Power should be, what programs can best attain its ideals,
    what a good White society is and how a White nation-state should be
    organized. But, despite these differences they are all agreed on one
    point: The White race must survive.
 
What is a race?
 
    The word race derives from the Spanish word raza which means "line."
    It refers to genetic lineage. A race is a lineal ethnic group which
    because of its genetic heritage, exhibits unique phenotypic features
    or patterns. However, despite these genetic features, race also
    refers to an ethnicity and an ethnic identity that is based on these
    features. As racists use the term, it is not equivalent to the
    biological word "race" which is merely a sub-breeding group of a
    species. Although as racists use the term a race is a sub-breeding
    group of the human species, it also refers to a set of group ideals
    and norms consistent with the maintenance of that ethnic group.
 
What is racism?
 
    Racism is the promotion of a race and its interests. It refers to a
    desire to maintain a unique ethnic identity closely bound to the
    physical characteristics that define that group. It also refers to
    a whole body of social norms which are consistent with maintaining
    that group and promoting a society which is consistent with racial
    ideals.
 
What is race-mixing?
 
    Race-mixing is the mixing of races, also known as miscegenation.
    The term "race-mixer" refers to those who advocate mixed-race
    societies as an ideal and those who engage in sexual relations with
    those of other races. Race-mixing is highly frowned upon by racists
    and race-mixers are often severely admonished.
 
What is a Hammerskin?
 
   In Pink Floyd's _The_Wall_ movie, there is a video segment sung to
   the tune "Up against the Wall," where Pink takes on the visage of
   a powerful leader. During this sequence, hundreds of skinheads march
   through the street and chase the "Pakis" (Pakistanis) out of England.
   Although the movie is largely opposed to that viewpoint, young skinheads
   were emboldened by the image of strength and came to call themselves
   Hammerskins. As these groups spread throughout the U.S. and Canada,
   they took on regional prefixes like: Western Hammerskins, Northern
   Hammerskins, Confederate Hammerskins and other names.
 
Why do you hate?
Why do you hate Jews?
Why do you hate Blacks?
Why do you hate everybody?
 
   White Power advocates love their race. Because of that, they are
   strongly opposed to any attempts to harm it by means of loss of
   territory, loss of economic or political self-determination, loss
   of cultural identity, disenfranchisement or race mixing. In order to
   preserve their race and its interests, they are often willing to engage
   in hostile acts against perceived threats to it.
 
Why don't you get a life?
 
    White Power advocates do have lives which are based on different
    principles and ideals from those of race-mixers.
 
CONTEMPORARY BOOKS ON WHITE POWER
---------------------------------
 
The following are somewhat "objective" in their appraisal of White Power
advocates:
 
    Blood In the Face by James Ridgeway
 
    The New Reich: Violent Extremism in unified Germany and beyond
       by Michael Schmidt
 
    Skinheads shaved for battle: a cultural history of American Skinheads
	by Jack B. Moore
 
    The Silent Brotherhood: Inside America's Racist Underground
        by Kevin Flynn and Gary Gerhardt
 
    Is God a racist: the right wing in Canada
        by Stanley R. Barrett
 
The following are heavily biased against White Power and often misrepresent it:
 
    Free to Hate: The rise of the right in post-communist Eastern Europe
        by Paul Hockenos
 
    Brotherhood of Murder
        by Thomas Martineze with John Guinther
 
    Skinhead Streetgangs
        by Loren Christensen. Paladin Books ISBN 0-87364-756-4
 
    Any ADL publication
 
MAGAZINE ARTICLES ABOUT WHITE POWER AND WHITE POWER SKINHEADS
-------------------------------------------------------------
 
    "Mainstream" Hatred by Mira L. Boland, ADL in The Police Chief
    magazine, June 1992 (other articles can be found in that issue
    and in other issues).
 
    Hitler's Offspring by Martin A. Lee in The Progressive, March 1993
 
    Hatred Rising: The Sound of Jackboots in Europe and Russia
        by Derek Ingram in World Press Review February 1994
 
    Inside South London's Nazi Headquarters
        in New Statesman and Society (British magazine) January 1993
 
    Long Day's Journey Into White by Kathy Dobie,
        in The Village Voice April 28, 1992
 
WHITE POWER BOOKDEALERS
-----------------------
 
   National Vanguard Books P.O. Box 330 Hillsboro WV 24946
 
   Aryan Free Press Books P.O. Box 6853 Champaign Illinois 61826
 
-- "Those who do not read have no advantage over those who cannot read." --
 
WHITE POWER NEWSLETTERS, NEWSPAPERS AND MAGAZINES
-------------------------------------------------
 
   Aryan Free Press Books P.O. Box 6853 Champaign Illinois 61826
 
   Aryan Nations/Church of Jesus Christ Christian
      P.O. Box 362 Hayden, Idaho 83835
 
   The Balance
      C/O Cause
      1101 Post Oak Blvd. Suite 9497
      Houston, TX 77056
 
   Instauration
   Howard Allen Enterprises, Inc.
   Box 76
   Cape Canaveral, Florida 32920
   $20/year students $30/year regular
 
   National Vanguard
     by National Alliance P.O. Box 330 Hillsboro WV 24946
 
   New Order
     by NSDAP-AO P.O. Box 6414 Lincoln, Nebraska 68506
 
   Northwest Imperative
     by Northwest Concern P.O. Box 5892, Portland OR 97208
 
   NS Kindred P.O. Box 256 N.S.J. Ca 95960
 
   Plexus: A National Socialist Theoretical Journal
     by National Worker's League P.O. Box 642376 Omaha Ne 68164-8376
 
   Stormfront: Forecast for Tomorrow
   P.O. Box 6637
   West Palm Beach, FL 33405
   
   WAR P.O. Box 65 Fallbrook Ca. 92088
 
   The War Eagle P.O. Box 6881 Champaign Illinois 61826
 
 
MUSIC, T-SHIRTS, SKINZINES
--------------------------
 
For North American White Power music, contact:
 
                       Krowbar Records
                       P.O. Box 40383
                       Baton Rouge, Louisiana
                       70835-0383, USA
 
                       Nordic Wolfpack!
                       P.O. Box 8
                       13143 Monk, Piereefonds
                       Montreal, Quebec
                       H8Z 1T4 Canada
 
                       Resistance Records
                       P.O. Box 24700
                       Detroit, Michigan
                       48224, U.S.A.
 
                       Totenkopf Services
                       1040 S. Mount Vernon
                       Suite 123
                       Colton, CA
                       92324, USA
 
For all Skrewdriver T-Shirts or CD's, contact:
 
                       Renewal of Identity (R.I.D.)
                       P.O. Box 249
                       Derby DE21 9EG
                       England
 
For the latest in White Power music, read:
 
                      Blood & Honour
                      B.M. Box 5608
                      London, WC1 3XX
                      England
 
                      +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 
                      Blood & Honor
                      P.O. Box 1234
                      Long Beach, CA
                      90801 USA
 
                      $3.00/issue US and Canada
                      $4.00/issue International
                      $18.00/6 issues US and Canada
                      $24.00/6 issues International
 
                      +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 
                      Rampage: A Skinhead Voice
                      P.O. Box 19
                      Coalville
                      Leicester LE67 1DS
                      England
 
                      +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 
                      SledgeHammer: The Voice of the White Nations,
                      by the Northern Hammer Skins
                      PO Box 428
                      Gatineau Quebec, J8P 7A1 Canada
 
                      $25.00/yr. (12 issues) in Canada
                      $30.00/yr. U.S.
                      $35.00/yr. Overseas
                      All rates are in Canadian funds
    
                      +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 
                      Resistance
                      The Music Magazine of the True Alternative
                      P.O. Box 24700
                      Detroit, Michigan 48224 USA
 
                      $12.00/yr (4 issues)
 
                      Resistance is one of the best quality White Power
                      music magazines around.
 
 
HOTLINES ( Telephone numbers to hear a White Power message )
------------------------------------------------------------
 
                      WAR (White Aryan Resistance)
                      Fallbrook, California, USA
                      (619) 723-8996
 
                      Equal Rights for Whites
                      Canada
                      (416) 699-4868
 
                      Euro-Canadian Action Line
                      Canada
                      (416) 631-3545
 
                      Info Line for Shows & Events
                      (416) 631-3927
 
POWS   Soldiers captured while fighting for their racial nation
----   --------------------------------------------------------
 
   David Tate W/155209                Frank Silva #09993-016
   Missouri State Prison              B2 Room 422
   P.O. Box 900                       P.O. Box PMB
   Jefferson City, MO 65102           Atlanta, GA 30315
 
 
   David Lane #12873-057              Bruce Pierce 04181-085
   P.O. Box 1000                      P.O. Box 1000
   Leavenworth, KS 66048              Marion, IL 62959
 
 
   Randy Evans 09882-016              Gary Yarbrough
   P.O. Box 1000                      #09883-016 US PEN.
   Marion, IL 62959                   A-206 P.O. Box 1000
                                      Leavenworth, KS 66048
 
   Yorie Von Kahl 04565-059           Richard Scutari
   Box 1000, J-3 Unit                 #34840-080
   Lewisburg, PA 17837                P.O. Box 1000
                                      Marion, IL 62959
 
MARTYRS FOR OUR MOVEMENT
------------------------
 
Gordon Kahl
  Died: 3 June 1983
  Summary: A leader of the Posse Commitatus, Gordon Kahl was shot
    and immolated by the FBI.
 
Robert Jay Mathews
  Born: 16 January, 1949
  Died: 8 December 1984
  Summary: Founder of the Bruderschweigen (The Silent Brotherhood),
    sometimes called The Order. Bob Mathews fought for his racial
    nation until he was immolated by the FBI at a Whidbey Island
    shootout.
 
Samual Weaver
  Died: 21 August 1992
  Summary: 14-year old Samual was shot in the back by Feds who were
    trespassing on his father's property.
 
Vicki Weaver
  Died: 4 June 1983
  Summary: Shot in the face by Fed sniper Lon Haruchi while holding
    her baby.
 
 
 We must secure the existence of our people and a future for White children
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From: aelebouthill@csupomona.edu
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Subject: Re: FAQ: WHITE POWER
Date: 29 May 94 23:32:26 PST
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In article , brerbear@netcom.com (Buddy Bear) writes:
  
> A bunch of pseudo-intellectual crap deleted.

Pseudo-intellectual crap? Is that in distinction to the truly intellectual
crap you spew?
 
> Why the hell don't you bleeding ass white power dips who want your own 
> fucking homeland go the hell back to frigging Europe where you came from. 
> There's yer frigging homeland.  

I'm glad to hear that you support the idea that Europe is a White homeland.
I'm also sure that you support Europeans' attempts to keep their
homeland by keeping the non-whites out (for example in Germany, Italy,
France, England and other places).

P.S. Shut the fuck up.

Arthur LeBouthillier
The White race must survive
 


From: aelebouthill@csupomona.edu
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Subject: Re: FAQ: WHITE POWER
Date: 30 May 94 09:49:06 PST
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In article <1994May30.045645.64799@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, tres@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:

> OK whitey, why dont you and the rest of your ilk sit down and figure out
> once and for all where you came from, and where you home land is, and go
> there and leave the rest of the world alone.
 
I come from California; the rest of us come from various places in
North America. North America is our homeland.
 
> Have you ever stopped to think that the rest of the world does not care
> one little bit about your silly white fantasy?
 
That's why we can't let them decide our future for us.
 
> The vast majority of people in the real worldlook at people like you
> as kooks, crazies, freaks and wierdo's.
 
What? Are you their representative?
 
> You do not represent the white race. 
 
I represent myself; I'm expressing what I think is important and what I
am concerned about. Don't pretend that you're the representative of
everyone else in the world.
 
Arthur LeBouthillier



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