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From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Thu May  2 03:00:32 PDT 1996
Article: 34149 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Faurisson's 'Historical Research'
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In article <3185569e.1306892@news.srv.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:

> Your aim has always been to minimize the numbers as far as possible.
> You, like other deniers, 

Then why not call me a minimiser instead of a denier?

>If you did, you would lose every shred of credibility, so you
> go for the net best thing.

I would lose every shred of credibility if I said I believed in fairies; I 
prefer to let my detractors make outrageous claims and let them lose 
credibility. Like Desperate Dan.

> 
> What perplexes me, however, is why, if your target is Zionism, you
> give Zionists such a powerful weapon to use against you. 

My "target" is not Zionism; I specialise in exposing disinformation; I've 
also published a fair bit of anti-Nazi material and won't be getting any
fan mail from Willis Carto after my critique of The Barnes Review.

>Holocaust
> denial is for kooks, antisemites, and Nazis. Why give your enemies
> such powerful labels to dismiss you with? It ought to be easy enough
> to show the illegitimacy of Israel without resorting to lies about the
> Holocaust.

I'm not interested in showing the illigitimacy of Israel, that has already
been decided by Jewish scripture as the non-existent Rabbi Goldstein will
tell you. And frankly I don't think much of Hezboullah or all these other
psychos only. My main concern is that there are so many of these loonies
in Britain now that they will start a shooting war on the streets of
London. Indeed, we've already had several such attacks against Jewish
targets, which means I could get blown up too.


-- 

Alexander Baron: InFoText Manuscripts

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Thu May  2 03:00:34 PDT 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Faurisson's 'Historical Research'
Date: Wed, 01 May 96 08:11:55 GMT
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In article <4m2ssd$dd3@hackberry.zilker.net>
           mike@aimetering.com "Mike Curtis" writes:
> Looks like some of it is in a book called *Belzec, Sobibor, Treblinka
> -- the operation Reinhard Death Camps* by Yitzak Arad.

I'm reading that at the moment.

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Alexander Baron: InFoText Manuscripts

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Fri May  3 19:10:50 PDT 1996
Article: 34497 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.discrimination,alt.revisionism,alt.skinheads
Subject: Re: Negroes aren't primitive?
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In article <4m5rhl$ca6@hackberry.zilker.net>
           mike@aimetering.com "Mike Curtis" writes:

> You are uninformed. Cannibalism has nothing to do with race. 

Ask Jeffrey Dahmer and Fred West.

-- 

Alexander Baron: InFoText Manuscripts

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Fri May  3 19:10:51 PDT 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: A Personal, Heartfelt Apology
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In article <4m3e2h$d46@news.nyu.edu> jal5266@is.nyu.edu "Jeremy A. Litt" writes:

> Oh, please. What you've found is the opinion of one Joooo at a time when 
> Jooos were extremely polarized over Zionism. 

No, this was, and remains, the opinion of Organised Jewry. Such arrogance
is sure to provoke an obverse reaction.

> Huge numbers of Jooooos 
> were opposed to Zionism, including the American Reform movement for a 
> long time, and many of the ultra-orthodox.  The Neuturi Karta are STILL 
> anti-Zionist, STILL live in Israel

and in Stamford Hill; they regard it as being under the Yishuv.
 
> and I challenge you to find one even 
> charged, let alone convicted, of treason by Israel, which as a sovereign 
> state has every right to do so.

One what, Neturei Karta? They don't acknowledge the concept of a Jewish
state.

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Alexander Baron: InFoText Manuscripts

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Fri May  3 19:10:52 PDT 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: An SS Diary entry
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> When reading Giwer's rants about the "impossibility" of
> surviving a shooting, I recalled the recent murder 
> in a school in Scotland (sorry, forgot the town's name).
> 
> A madman shot sixteen children to death. Some were wounded.
> One of them, a five-year-old by the name of Ryan Cori if I
> recall correctly, survived two bullets that passed through
> his chest.

Were these the same two bullets that passed through his neck and killed the
other four who were lined up behind him? Or was this Dr Bendel's day off?

-- 

Alexander Baron: InFoText Manuscripts

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Thu May  9 07:12:09 PDT 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Anti-Zionism = amti-Semitism?
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In article <4mj0tb$69l@news.nyu.edu> jal5266@is.nyu.edu "Jeremy A. Litt" writes:
> Duh.  Of course this isn't true.  One can support Zionism, the political
> aspiration of Jewish statehood, without supporting everything Israel does.
> 
> If you wanted, you could try and make an argument that Zionism MUST lead
> to those things.  But if you don't want to look like an idiot, I suggest
> you read a little political science first.


I hate to shatter your illusions dear but Organised Jewry and their socialist
fellow travellers claim this is what (white) nationalism and (bore, bore)
racism lead to. Sauce for the goose...

-- 

Alexander Baron: InFoText Manuscripts

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Thu May  9 21:16:35 PDT 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Anti-Zionism = amti-Semitism?
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In article <4mj0tb$69l@news.nyu.edu> jal5266@is.nyu.edu "Jeremy A. Litt" writes:
> Duh.  Of course this isn't true.  One can support Zionism, the political
> aspiration of Jewish statehood, without supporting everything Israel does.
> 
> If you wanted, you could try and make an argument that Zionism MUST lead
> to those things.  But if you don't want to look like an idiot, I suggest
> you read a little political science first.


I hate to shatter your illusions dear but Organised Jewry and their socialist
fellow travellers claim this is what (white) nationalism and (bore, bore)
racism lead to. Sauce for the goose...

-- 

Alexander Baron: InFoText Manuscripts

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Anti-Zionism = amti-Semitism?
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In article <4mqe4f$apr@news.nyu.edu> jal5266@is.nyu.edu "Jeremy A. Litt" writes:

> Of course, if you weren't about 8 posts behind, you'd see the question has
> become how one argues this, instrad of just making baseless
> accusation...;...

I'm not logging on soft often now and I've also got other groups to monitor;
I can't troll through 7 or 800 posts every time I log on.

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Alexander Baron: InFoText Manuscripts

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sat May 11 20:33:42 PDT 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Faurisson's 'Historical Research'
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In article 
           mvanalst@rbi.com "Mark Van Alstine" writes:
> "Exposing disinformation?" :::slapping forehead::: Gee, and here I thought
> you were _espousing_ disinformation! I must have a little gotten confused
> when you posted your article on Al Capaone....

No, you're not confused, just as thick as pigshit like Yale Edeiken. You 
probably think "Animal Farm" is a novel about the comeuppance of a cruel 
farmer.

> Why? Are you Jewish, Al? 

Because my mother was?

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Alexander Baron: InFoText Manuscripts

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From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sun May 12 09:27:35 PDT 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article  qut@netcom.com "Dave Harman" writes:

> BTW, George Orwell may have been inspired
> by it for 1984's book of the Brotherhood.

I read this donkey's years ago in a Jewish magazine or possibly a right wing
magazine which claimed that Orwell had been inspired by the Protocols. Fraid
I can't offer more than that.


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Alexander Baron: InFoText Manuscripts

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From: Alexander Baron 
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I logged on tonight and downloaded 430 messages from this newsgroup alone?
This is preposterous. Alloting 2 seconds to read every message would take
fifteen minutes. Has anyone any suggestions how we can reduce this to 
manageable proportions? 

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Alexander Baron: InFoText Manuscripts

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Holocaust/UFO Analogy
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In article <9MAY199606084727@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu>
           dmittleman@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu "Daniel Mittleman" writes:
>     That's true.  Here's the formula bubby:
> 
>     UFOs       :  weak evidence
>     Holocaust  :  weak evidence + strong evidence

How about Holocaust: weak evidence + half-credible evidence + wishful thinking
+ anti-Semite smears for all skeptics?

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Alexander Baron: InFoText Manuscripts

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <11MAY199606333231@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu>
           dmittleman@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu "Daniel Mittleman" writes:

>     Well, it looks like Giwer has effectively ended your participation in
>     a.r.  And here I thought that no good would come from Giwer's
>     trolling...

Not quite, people can still E-mail me, but I don't get paid to monitor this
newsgroup and I do have other interests besides arguing with the likes of 
Happy Dan.

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Alexander Baron: InFoText Manuscripts

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Let's See If Baron's a Bloody Chicken (Re: You've got t
Date: Sun, 12 May 96 12:35:32 GMT
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In article <4n0cqm$3cs@hackberry.zilker.net>
           mike@aimetering.com "Mike Curtis" writes:

> Alexander Baron  wrote:
> 
> 
> >I think people have a right to believe lies on faith, but when they come out
> >of their synagogues - or shtels - and try to shove their faith down my throat
> >on peril of being branded anti-Semitic if I refuse to accept it, then I draw
> >the line.
> 
> Really? I've never had on Jewish person shove their faith down my
> throat. Unlike the Christians and the Mormons, I never see Jews out
> trying to acquire new members or to convince anyone either way for
> their brand of religion.

I was talking about the other faith: the revealed truth of the Holocaust.

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"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Mon May 13 19:59:03 PDT 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Anti-Zionism = amti-Semitism?
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In article <3195189a.172159721@news> pgroff@txdirect.net "pgroff" writes:

> I couldn't blame you, heck you have been thoroughly trounced in this
> usenet area, so now you should find others that are less challenging.
> typical.

Not at all Dear Boy, I consider I have done very well here. Notice that 
Harry - Mr Baron is a liar - Mazal has disappeared. And my postings re
Dachau have yet to be refuted.

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Alexander Baron: InFoText Manuscripts

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Thu May 16 12:11:47 PDT 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.israel,alt.fan.ernst-zundel,alt.flame.dan.gannon.nazi.scum,alt.revisionism,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: George Orwell inspired by the Jewish Protocols?
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In article <4n52ft$3h8@boris.eden.com> mcurtis@eden.com "Mike Curtis" writes:

> Alexander Baron  wrote:
> 
> >In article  qut@netcom.com "Dave Harman" writes:
> 
> >> BTW, George Orwell may have been inspired
> >> by it for 1984's book of the Brotherhood.
> 
> >I read this donkey's years ago in a Jewish magazine or possibly a right wing
> >magazine which claimed that Orwell had been inspired by the Protocols. Fraid
> >I can't offer more than that.
> 
> 
> What did you offer in the first place?

That I've heard this story before but can't remember when.

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Alexander Baron: InFoText Manuscripts

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Thu May 16 12:11:48 PDT 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Holocaust/UFO Analogy
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In article <31964614.1378604@news.srv.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:

> anti-Semite smears = even though my libel suits against honorable men,

What honourable men and what failure?

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Alexander Baron: InFoText Manuscripts

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy



From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Thu May 16 12:11:49 PDT 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Alt.revisionism is impossible
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In article <4n5uj4$7ab@nimitz.fibr.net> hmazal@txdirect.net  writes:

> 
>  Mr. Baron is hardly one to complain. Some months ago his posts were thicker
> on alt. revisionism than flies on road-kill. His tactics, although better
>  phrased
> than Mr. Giwer's, were very similar. 

Look what the cat dragged in; hello Harry Mazal, did somebody kick a rock?

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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Holocaust/UFO Analogy
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In article <12MAY199607241559@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu>
           dmittleman@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu "Daniel Mittleman" writes:

>     I haven't seen examples of "wishful thinking"; got any?  

How about Dan Keren on the "evidence" of Sophie (I was gassed Litwinska)?

>The
>     half-credible evidence lumps under weak evidence.  There are lots of
>     historians who debate aspects of the Holocaust without any anti-semitic
>     smears.  Those smears are saved for individuals who continually assert
>     as "fact" pieces of information which do not hold up to scrutiny. 
>     Legitimate researchers, when confronted by counter evidence, either [1]
>     back off on their claims, or [2] directly address and refute the
>     counter evidence.  "Deniers" who do neither of these options often
>     merit the anti-semitic smears. 


Like Dan Keren above, and many others.

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"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
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From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Thu May 16 12:11:50 PDT 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,talk.abortion,alt.discrimination,alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: Jews for Faggots in Alberta
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In article 
           chrisl@minn.net "Chris Lyman" writes:

> So which group scares you the most, Comrade?  Homosexuals, Jews or doctors
> who perform abortions?

These faggot slime wouldn't go down at all well with the Chief Rabbi Emeritus,
Lord Jakobowits. He had the "gay rights" lobby baying and screaming in 1993
with his Halakhic pronouncement on the evils of their poison.

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From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Thu May 16 12:11:51 PDT 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: The Anti-Zionist Journal...
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In article <4n9tkq$phv@newsbf02.news.aol.com> prib@aol.com "PriB" writes:

> My heart is in pain for those pure arab kids who are forced to commit
> suicide by heartless Jews.  My condolences are to their parents and
> masters who are forced to send them to commit suicide because of the Jews.

Not my kind of "anti-Zionism", for the record folks.

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From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Thu May 16 12:11:52 PDT 1996
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Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: The Hoess Memoir and 'Revisionist' Insanity
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In article <3197F472.6BC2@rio.com> chuckf@rio.com "Chuck Ferree" writes:

> Chuck Ferree wrote:
> There he goes again: "for what the rumor was worth..." Does this guy 
> ever read books, or papers about items before he starts shooting off 
> his mouth. He guesses, he supposes, he refuses to do proper research, 
> and yet posts his opinions all over the place. Does he not know that 
> *"Facts inform opinions and opinions inspired by different interests 
> and passions, can differ widely and still be legitmate as long as they 
> respect factual truth. Freedom of opinion is a farce unless factual 
> information is guaranteed and the facts themselves are not in 
> dispute." 
> *Deborah Lipstadt

Actually she is quoting Hannah Arendt; Arendt had one thing in common with
Lipstadt, she was Jewish. She had one thing Lipstadt didn't have, intellectual
honesty. Read her introduction to the book on the Auschwitz Trial.

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From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Thu May 16 12:11:52 PDT 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: two peas in a pod
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In article <4n9kj7$ur8@useneta1.news.prodigy.com>
           EEGG87E@prodigy.com "M Huber" writes:

> 5/13/96
> Abidjan, Ivory Coast
> 
> A freighter teeming with more than 4 thousand sick and hungry Liberian 
> refugees is still at sea. The passengers are fleeing the Holocaust being 
> inflicted on Liberian nationals by feuding warlords. The ship has been 
> turned away at 4 ports of call. Ghanaian authorities only allowed the 
> Nigerian freighter _Bulk Challenge_ to dock for refueling before heading 
> to Lagos, Nigeria. No passengers were allowed to disembark for medical 
> care nor were doctors allowed to board. The refugees are suffering from 
> dehydration, dysentery and pneumonia.
> 
> Israel has been conspicuous by her silence. 

Actually the whole of the "anti-racist" left is always conspicously silent
about this sort of thing, which proves they don't really give a fuck about
blacks or about anyone else.


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From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Thu May 16 12:11:53 PDT 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article <4n9ne0$9p1@news.ios.com> Tchung@24hy.singpor.nt "Tammy Chung" writes:

> >!What crime has Mr.Zundel committed worthy of such treatment?

He offended those poor, persecuted, POWERLESS people.

> >Maybe I can call one of my relitive in Red China to see if they could get Ken
>  a job there. The man claims to fight Nazis because th=
> eir evil. Then he acts like the very evil he says he's against.

This is curious, numberswise at any rate, the Chinese have probably suffered
more horrors than any other people this century. I wonder what would be the
reaction of the Holocaust lobby that the claims of genocide during the
"Cultural Revolution" had been exaggerated? They'd probably ignore it.

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"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
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In article <4mu4aq$dri@nyx10.cs.du.edu>
           anon3c67@nyx10.cs.du.edu "Bruce Watson" writes:
> And then we have 5). The FOREST defense.
> 
> 5) "Smoking is actually good for you. In the southern
> hemisphere smokers live longer than nonsmokers, the world
> is flat, only 6000 years old, and Fred Flintstone really
> rode a dinosaur at the rock quarry."

Anyone wants further information about FOREST and about their exposes of
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In article <4nakda$7om@grivel.une.edu.au> ibokor@metz.une.edu.au "ibokor" writes:
> Suggestions:
> 
> 1.  Take a speed reading course.
> 
> 2.  Try using software to block receiving postings 
>     by those posters who repost entire long postings 
>     only to append an irrelevant one line "red herring".
> 
> 3.  Select the threads you wish to peruse.
> 
> 4.  Don't look at the newsgroup when you are pressed for time.
> 
> 5.  Learn to be tolerant of those who have not yet mastered the
>     art of being brief and to the point.
> 
> 6.  Accept that others are entitled to follow the example set
>     by such posters as yourself, who solicit(ed) or seek/sought
>     to provoke responses.
> 
> d.A.

Hey, for once a thoughtful - and polite! - post. Thanks d.A.



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"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Fri May 17 14:34:14 PDT 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Anti-Zionism = amti-Semitism?
Date: Thu, 16 May 96 09:44:17 GMT
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In article <319981f6.13129711@news.txdirect.net>
           hmazal@txdirect.net "Harry W. Mazal OBE" writes:


>It is also
> refreshing to note that Mr. Baron has finally accepted his position in
> these discussions by referring to  himself  as a Revisionist (with a
> capital  'R' -- as if it were a badge of honour), whereas in the past
> he protested his neutrality on the subject.  

Not true, I have always worn that badge proudly. 

> So-called revisionsts
> are simply Jew-haters in pseudo-academic disguise.


Harry says so therefore it must be true.

> It is a pity that Mr, Baron did not get trounced worse than he did in
> his latest little spate of lawsuits against decent and upright
> citizens of Great Britain 

You wouldn't say that if you'd been in court yesterday. For the record, my
barrister has now settled a statement of claim in my case against the police
and we are waiting for the next stage.


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"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Fri May 17 14:34:14 PDT 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Dan's fairy tales
Date: Thu, 16 May 96 09:36:37 GMT
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I will be posting something about Litwinska et al in July. Not before then, 
I have a lot of research to do. I will be posting something about another
shameless liar much sooner, sometime next month. The name is Turgel. Remind me
if I forget Dan, as I'm sure you will.

For the record I think you're suffering from what Phil Klass would call
Credulous Dementia Syndrome.


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"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Fri May 17 14:34:15 PDT 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Where are the Indians
Date: Thu, 16 May 96 09:40:58 GMT
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In article <4nbm8d$mqj@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:

>         The Smithsonian is currently proposing a museum concerning the 
> American Indians -- including their treatment by Europeans -- *on* the Mall in 
> Washington.  Odd that there is no outcry similar to that of the deniers about
>  the 
> Holocaust Museum *near* the Mall.

Perhaps that's because a) the Holocaust of the Red Man is much more credible
and b) they don't keep whining about "anti-Nativism". Can you imagine the
outcry if the cowboys were shooting Jews instead of injuns in those ol'
John Wayne movies?

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"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Fri May 17 14:34:16 PDT 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: The Holocaust Plea
Date: Thu, 16 May 96 09:34:08 GMT
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In article <4namqn$o4@moe.cc.emory.edu>
           libwca@larry.cc.emory.edu "william c anderson" writes:
> : >:    Actually considering Mr.Edeiken's claim that he lost 160
> : >: relatives in the Holocaust, just considering one side of his family
> : >: tree

This is a typical tactic, Wiesenthal claimed he lost 77 members, a while ago
a Jewish author in an article on "anti-Semitism" claimed to have lost 220+
on the mother's side alone. I don't dispute that many Jews lost relatives in
the Second World War, but the war claimed probably over 50 million lives, most of
them in or near Europe, and as there were many Jews in Europe this is one
reason. Unlike certain people - and contrary to the claims of others - I have
no intention of mocking any victims, but I don't see what is so special about
Jewish suffering.


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Alexander Baron: InFoText Manuscripts

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Fri May 17 21:07:23 PDT 1996
Article: 1130 of alt.fan.ernst-zundel
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.fan.ernst-zundel,alt.flame.dan.gannon.nazi.scum
Subject: Re: McVay - Be honest...
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In article <4n9ne0$9p1@news.ios.com> Tchung@24hy.singpor.nt "Tammy Chung" writes:

> >!What crime has Mr.Zundel committed worthy of such treatment?

He offended those poor, persecuted, POWERLESS people.

> >Maybe I can call one of my relitive in Red China to see if they could get Ken
>  a job there. The man claims to fight Nazis because th=
> eir evil. Then he acts like the very evil he says he's against.

This is curious, numberswise at any rate, the Chinese have probably suffered
more horrors than any other people this century. I wonder what would be the
reaction of the Holocaust lobby that the claims of genocide during the
"Cultural Revolution" had been exaggerated? They'd probably ignore it.

-- 

Alexander Baron: InFoText Manuscripts

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sat May 18 07:36:02 PDT 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.discrimination,ab.general,can.general,tor.general,van.general
Subject: Re: Jews for Faggots in Alberta
Date: Thu, 16 May 96 20:39:24 GMT
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In article <4nep7d$j60@news.sas.ab.ca> toyboat@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca "
>    All Jews are evil and destroying society because they support homosexuals.

I just spoke to Rabbi Goldstein tonight and he affirmed yet again the Halakhic
position that homosexuality is an abomination. I wish I could say the same for
our former Archbishop of Canterbury.

-- 

Alexander Baron: InFoText Manuscripts

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy



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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Holocaust/UFO Analogy
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In article <319a0389.56634760@news> pgroff@txdirect.net "pgroff" writes:

 Nazi documents,

I keep hearing a lot about these documents but all the important ones
appear to have disappeared. 



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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Incitement to murder: to condemn or not to condemn - part 1 of 2
Date: Thu, 16 May 96 21:03:40 GMT
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In keeping with my promise in the following letters I am posting 
the responses of same - or lack thereof - to the Internet. The 
second edition of my "Tribute to Britain's police" is published 
today, May 16, 1996. Anyone wants further information on what 
this is about should contact David Johnston at Heriot-Watt. Hee 
hee.



Geoffrey Bindman,                       93c Venner Road,
Bindman & Partners,                     Sydenham,
Officer of the Law Society              London SE26 5HU.
& Human Rights Activist.                0181 659 7713.        



May 22, 1995

Dear Mr Bindman,

I am writing to you on a matter of mutual concern, the wilful 
incitement of hatred and murder. This is all the more serious 
because it is directed against a) members of the judiciary, (many 
of whom are Jewish, so there is also the subsidiary - and far 
more serious - matter of anti-Semitism); b) police officers, many 
of whom have been murdered in the execution of their duty; c) a 
named individual.

You will find enclosed with this letter the following:

a) the two relevant photocopies from $Class War$.
b) the relevant photocopy from $Green Anarchist$.
c) a photocopy from $Searchlight$.
d) my letter to the Police Commissioner.

You will recall that in 1991, Mr Colin Jordan - Britain's longest 
running Nazi and an avowed anti-Semite - was raided in connection 
with the cartoon (item c). As a result of publishing this one 
poxy cartoon, Mr Jordan endured 18 months of state harassment - 
inspired, unquestionably, by the machinations of Organised Jewry. 
In the end he only got his property back and had all charges 
against him dropped because of a technicality. Although some 
people may well find this cartoon offensive, I cannot for the 
life of me say that I consider it likely to incite hatred against 
anyone. One cannot say the same for the depiction of Mr Portillo, 
or for the gloating over the murder of three French policemen and 
the goading to further murders in relation to British police 
officers.

I have now written to the Police Commissioner twice in connection 
with these outrageous incitements, and have not received even the 
courtesy of a reply. (He has no excuse because my correspondence 
was delivered to New Scotland Yard by hand and copied to an 
Assistant Commissioner). I am therefore asking you to support me 
in my campaign to have both the purveyors of these pieces of 
filth: $Green Anarchist$ and $Class War$; and the shops that stock 
them: Centerprise, Housmans, Bookmarks and Mushroom Books (among 
others) prosecuted.

I am sure you will agree that the direct incitement to murder of 
judges, policemen and named individuals is far more serious than 
the overt sarcasm of an embittered old man. I will be forwarding 
copies of this letter and your reply to both Mr Jordan and the 
British National Party, and posting them on the Internet, so that 
these sorely misguided people and the world at large can see 
exactly what you think of such despicable and cowardly behaviour.

You can hardly refuse this invitation because you yourself have 
attacked the "comedian" Bernard Manning for making racially 
abusive remarks. However unpleasant they - or he - may be, I am 
sure that as a top rate lawyer, and an unqualified denouncer of 
Zionist atrocities and champion of human rights, you realise that 
direct incitements to murder against both the judiciary and named 
individuals are far more serious. I hope to hear from you soon, 
and trust that you will use your not inconsiderable influence to 
bring about the rapid prosecution of all the parties named here-
in.


Yours sincerely,
A Baron


No reply






Gerald Kaufman MP,                      93c Venner Road,
House of Commons.                       Sydenham,
                                        London SE26 5HU.
                                        0181 659 7713.        



May 22, 1995

Dear Mr Kaufman,

Although you are not my MP, I am writing to you for reasons that 
will soon become apparent. This letter concerns the wilful inci-
tement of hatred and murder. This is all the more serious because 
it is directed against a) members of the judiciary; b) police 
officers, many of whom have been murdered in the execution of 
their duty; c) a named individual, your colleague Michael Portil-
lo.

You will find enclosed with this letter the following:

a) the two relevant photocopies from $Class War$.
b) the relevant photocopy from $Green Anarchist$.
c) a photocopy from $Searchlight$.
d) my letter to the Police Commissioner.

You will doubtless recall that in 1991, after the authorities had 
received a complaint concerning the distribution of (supposed) 
anti-Semitica by Mr Colin Jordan - Britain's longest running Nazi 
and an avowed anti-Semite - the said gentleman was raided in 
connection with the cartoon (item c). As a result of publishing 
this one poxy cartoon, Mr Jordan endured 18 months of state 
harassment. In the end he only got his property back and had all 
charges against him dropped because of a technicality. Although 
some people may well find this cartoon offensive, (as you did, 
undoubtedly, though personally I find it rather puerile), I 
cannot for the life of me say that I consider it likely to incite 
hatred against anyone. I am sure that you will agree one cannot 
say the same for the depiction of Mr Portillo, or for the gloa-
ting over the murder of three French policemen and the goading to 
further murders in relation to British police officers.

I have now written to the Police Commissioner twice in connection 
with these outrageous incitements, and have not received even the 
courtesy of a reply. (He has no excuse because my correspondence 
was delivered to New Scotland Yard by hand and copied to an 
Assistant Commissioner). I am therefore asking you to support me 
in my campaign to have both the purveyors of these pieces of 
filth: $Green Anarchist$ and $Class War$; and the shops that stock 
them: Centerprise, Housmans, Bookmarks and Mushroom Books (among 
others) prosecuted.

I am sure you will agree that the direct incitement to murder of 
judges, policemen and named individuals is far more serious than 
the overt sarcasm of an embittered old man. I will be forwarding 
copies of this letter and your reply to both Mr Jordan and the 
British National Party, and posting them on the Internet, so that 
these sorely misguided people and the world at large can see 
exactly what you think of such despicable and cowardly behaviour.

I might add also that the shop Centerprise has charitable status 
and is funded by Greater London Arts and Hackney Council; I am 
sure you will agree that there is nothing the least bit charit-
able about any of this sewage, and that this shop should have its 
charitable status revoked.

I hope to hear from you soon, and trust that you will use all the 
weight of your office to bring about the rapid prosecution of all 
the parties named herein. Again, I stress that although you are 
not my MP I am writing to you in an official capacity and hope 
that you will take immediate action. I would point out that I 
wrote to Mr Portillo who thanked me but didn't make any further 
comment. Obviously the poor man is embarrassed, and if I had 
stopped to think I would not have written to him. You though are 
not in that position, and I am sure that rather than embarrassed 
you will be outraged.


Yours sincerely,
A Baron

The reply of the Right Honourable Gerald Kaufman, M.P. was dated 
24 May, arrived May 25 and consisted of a note on his official 
headed notepaper: 

"Dear Mr Baron

Thank you for you letter dated 22 May. I have taken note of its 
contents.

Yours sincerely
(signed) Gerald Kaufman"







Eldred Tabachnik QC,                    93c Venner Road,
c/o Woburn House                        Sydenham,
                                        London SE26 5HU.
                                        0181 659 7713.        



May 22, 1995

Dear Mr Tabachnik,

This letter concerns the wilful incitement of hatred and murder. 
This is all the more serious because it is directed against a) 
members of the judiciary; b) police officers, many of whom have 
been murdered in the execution of their duty; c) a named individ-
ual, the Government Minister Michael Portillo.

You will find enclosed with this letter the following:

a) the two relevant photocopies from $Class War$.
b) the relevant photocopy from $Green Anarchist$.
c) a photocopy from $Searchlight$.
d) my letter to the Police Commissioner.

You will doubtless recall that in 1991, after the authorities had 
received a complaint concerning the distribution of (supposed) 
anti-Semitica by Mr Colin Jordan - Britain's longest running Nazi 
and an avowed anti-Semite - the said gentleman was raided in 
connection with the cartoon (item c). As a result of publishing 
this one poxy cartoon, Mr Jordan endured 18 months of state 
harassment. In the end he only got his property back and had all 
charges against him dropped because of a technicality. Although 
some people may well find this cartoon offensive, (as you did, 
undoubtedly, though personally I find it rather puerile), I 
cannot for the life of me say that I consider it likely to incite 
hatred against anyone. I am sure that you will agree one cannot 
say the same for the depiction of Mr Portillo, or for the gloa-
ting over the murder of three French policemen and the goading to 
further murders in relation to British police officers.

If you recall, you were quoted in the $Jewish Chronicle$ at the 
time, you had prepared some sort of report advocating a law of 
"community libel" or some such nonsense. Community libel is one 
thing, but the wilful incitement of the murder of members of the 
judiciary (which may one day include you!); police officers; and 
a named, prominent, and, to some extent vulnerable, person - ie a 
Government Minister - is another thing entirely.

I have now written to the Police Commissioner twice in connection 
with these outrageous incitements, and have not received even the 
courtesy of a reply. (He has no excuse because my correspondence 
was delivered to New Scotland Yard by hand and copied to an 
Assistant Commissioner). This is all the more remarkable, and one 
can only assume that the police have a bizarre sense of priori-
ties where they will jump on a lone geriatric from a great height 
for publishing the sort of cartoon one can find in great quantity 
in any comic shop while ignoring the direct incitement to murder 
of their own kind. It's almost as if the Commissioner believes 
that his officers are not worth a Jewish fingernail.

I am therefore asking you to support me in my campaign to have 
both the purveyors of these pieces of filth: $Green Anarchist$ and 
$Class War$; and the shops that stock them: Centerprise, Housmans, 
Bookmarks and Mushroom Books (among others) prosecuted.

I am sure that you will agree that the direct incitement to 
murder of judges, policemen and named individuals is far more 
serious than the overt sarcasm of an embittered old man. I will 
be forwarding copies of this letter and your reply to both Mr 
Jordan and the British National Party, and posting them on the 
Internet, so that these sorely misguided people and the world at 
large can see exactly what you think of such despicable and 
cowardly behaviour.

I might add also that the shop Centerprise has charitable status 
and is funded by Greater London Arts and Hackney Council; I am 
sure you will agree that there is nothing the least bit charit-
able about any of this sewage, and that this shop should have its 
charitable status revoked.

I hope to hear from you soon, and trust that you will use all 
your not inconsiderable influence as a QC to bring about the 
rapid prosecution of all the parties named herein. I would point 
out that I wrote to Mr Portillo who thanked me but didn't make 
any further comment. You though are not in that position, and I 
am sure that rather than embarrassed you will be outraged.


Yours sincerely,
A Baron


No reply


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"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
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From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sat May 18 07:36:04 PDT 1996
Article: 37607 of alt.revisionism
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Subject: Incitement to murder: to condemn or not to condemn - part 2 of 2
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In keeping with my promise in the following letters I am posting 
the responses of same - or lack thereof - to the Internet. The 
second edition of my "Tribute to Britain's police" is published 
today, May 16, 1996. Anyone wants further information on what 
this is about should contact David Johnston at Heriot-Watt. Hee 
hee.



Judge Israel Finestein,       93c Venner Road,
c/o Woburn House              Sydenham,
                              London SE26 5HU.
                              0181 659 7713.        



May 22, 1995

Dear Judge Finestein,

This letter concerns the wilful incitement of hatred and murder. 
This is all the more serious because it is directed against a) 
members of the judiciary; b) police officers, many of whom have 
been murdered in the execution of their duty; c) a named individ-
ual, the Government Minister Michael Portillo.

You will find enclosed with this letter the following:

a) the two relevant photocopies from $Class War$.
b) the relevant photocopy from $Green Anarchist$.
c) a photocopy from $Searchlight$.
d) my letter to the Police Commissioner.

You will doubtless recall that in 1991, after the authorities had 
received a complaint concerning the distribution of (supposed) 
anti-Semitica by Mr Colin Jordan - Britain's longest running Nazi 
and an avowed anti-Semite - the said gentleman was raided in 
connection with the cartoon (item c). As a result of publishing 
this one poxy cartoon, Mr Jordan endured 18 months of state 
harassment. In the end he only got his property back and had all 
charges against him dropped because of a technicality. Although 
some people may well find this cartoon offensive, (as you did, 
undoubtedly, though personally I find it rather puerile), I 
cannot for the life of me say that I consider it likely to incite 
hatred against anyone. I am sure that you will agree one cannot 
say the same for the depiction of Mr Portillo, or for the gloa-
ting over the murder of three French policemen and the goading to 
further murders in relation to British police officers.

If you recall, you were quoted in the $Jewish Chronicle$ at the 
time claiming that the law against incitement wasn't strong 
enough, and referred to "sickening" hate literature. Silly car-
toons of Jews and others is one thing, but the wilful incitement 
of the murder of members of the judiciary (including yourself!); 
police officers; and a named, prominent, and, to some extent 
vulnerable, person - ie a Government Minister - is another thing 
entirely.

I have now written to the Police Commissioner twice in connection 
with these outrageous incitements, and have not received even the 
courtesy of a reply. (He has no excuse because my correspondence 
was delivered to New Scotland Yard by hand and copied to an 
Assistant Commissioner). This is all the more remarkable, and one 
can only assume that the police have a bizarre sense of priori-
ties where they will jump on a lone geriatric from a great height 
for publishing the sort of cartoon one can find in great quantity 
in any comic shop while ignoring the direct incitement to murder 
of their own kind. It's almost as if the Commissioner believes 
that his officers are not worth a Jewish fingernail.

I am therefore asking you to support me in my campaign to have 
both the purveyors of these pieces of filth: $Green Anarchist$ and 
$Class War$; and the shops that stock them: Centerprise, Housmans, 
Bookmarks and Mushroom Books (among others) prosecuted.

I am sure you will agree that the direct incitement to murder of 
judges, policemen and named individuals is far more serious than 
the overt sarcasm of an embittered old man. I will be forwarding 
copies of this letter and your reply to both Mr Jordan and the 
British National Party, and posting them on the Internet, so that 
these sorely misguided people and the world at large can see 
exactly what you think of such despicable and cowardly behaviour.

I might add also that the shop Centerprise has charitable status 
and is funded by Greater London Arts and Hackney Council; I am 
sure you will agree that there is nothing the least bit charit-
able about any of this sewage, and that this shop should have its 
charitable status revoked.

I hope to hear from you soon, and trust that you will use all the 
weight of your office to bring about the rapid prosecution of all 
the parties named herein. I would point out that I wrote to Mr 
Portillo who thanked me but didn't make any further comment. You 
though are not in that position, and I am sure that rather than 
embarrassed you will be outraged.


Yours sincerely,
A Baron


No reply



Mr Neville Nagler,            93c Venner Road,
c/o Woburn House              Sydenham,
                              London SE26 5HU.
                              0181 659 7713.        



May 22, 1995

Dear Mr Nagler,

This letter concerns the wilful incitement of hatred and murder. 
This is all the more serious because it is directed against a) 
members of the judiciary; b) police officers, many of whom have 
been murdered in the execution of their duty; c) a named individ-
ual, the Government Minister Michael Portillo.

You will find enclosed with this letter the following:

a) the two relevant photocopies from $Class War$.
b) the relevant photocopy from $Green Anarchist$.
c) a photocopy from $Searchlight$.
d) my letter to the Police Commissioner.

You will doubtless recall that in 1991, after the authorities had 
received a complaint concerning the distribution of (supposed) 
anti-Semitica by Mr Colin Jordan - Britain's longest running Nazi 
and an avowed anti-Semite - the said gentleman was raided in 
connection with the cartoon (item c). As a result of publishing 
this one poxy cartoon, Mr Jordan endured 18 months of state 
harassment. In the end he only got his property back and had all 
charges against him dropped because of a technicality. Although 
some people may well find this cartoon offensive, (as you did, 
undoubtedly, though personally I find it rather puerile), I 
cannot for the life of me say that I consider it likely to incite 
hatred against anyone. I am sure that you will agree one cannot 
say the same for the depiction of Mr Portillo, or for the gloa-
ting over the murder of three French policemen and the goading to 
further murders in relation to British police officers.

If you recall, Judge Finestein was quoted in the $Jewish Chronicle$ 
at the time claiming that the law against incitement wasn't 
strong enough, and referred to "sickening" hate literature. Silly 
cartoons of Jews and others is one thing, but the wilful incite-
ment of the murder of members of the judiciary (including Judge 
Finestein); police officers; and a named, prominent, and, to some 
extent vulnerable, person - ie a Government Minister - is another 
thing entirely.

I have now written to the Police Commissioner twice in connection 
with these outrageous incitements, and have not received even the 
courtesy of a reply. (He has no excuse because my correspondence 
was delivered to New Scotland Yard by hand and copied to an 
Assistant Commissioner). This is all the more remarkable, and one 
can only assume that the police have a bizarre sense of priori-
ties where they will jump on a lone geriatric from a great height 
for publishing the sort of cartoon one can find in great quantity 
in any comic shop while ignoring the direct incitement to murder 
of their own kind. It's almost as if the Commissioner believes 
that his officers are not worth a Jewish fingernail.

I am therefore asking you to support me in my campaign to have 
both the purveyors of these pieces of filth: $Green Anarchist$ and 
$Class War$; and the shops that stock them: Centerprise, Housmans, 
Bookmarks and Mushroom Books (among others) prosecuted.

I am sure you will agree that the direct incitement to murder of 
judges, policemen and named individuals is far more serious than 
the overt sarcasm of an embittered old man. I will be forwarding 
copies of this letter and your reply to both Mr Jordan and the 
British National Party, and posting them on the Internet, so that 
these sorely misguided people and the world at large can see 
exactly what you think of such despicable and cowardly behaviour.

I might add also that the shop Centerprise has charitable status 
and is funded by Greater London Arts and Hackney Council; I am 
sure you will agree that there is nothing the least bit charit-
able about any of this sewage, and that this shop should have its 
charitable status revoked.

I hope to hear from you soon, and trust that you will use all the 
weight of your office to bring about the rapid prosecution of all 
the parties named herein. I would point out that I wrote to Mr 
Portillo who thanked me but didn't make any further comment. You 
though are not in that position, and I am sure that rather than 
embarrassed you will be outraged.


Yours sincerely,
A Baron


No reply






The Editor                    93c Venner Road,
$Jewish Chronicle$              Sydenham,
                              London SE26 5HU.
                              0181 659 7713.        



May 22, 1995

Dear Mr Temko, 

This letter concerns the wilful incitement of hatred and murder. 
This is all the more serious because it is directed against a) 
members of the judiciary; b) police officers, many of whom have 
been murdered in the execution of their duty; c) a named individ-
ual, the Government Minister Michael Portillo.

You will find enclosed with this letter the following:

a) the two relevant photocopies from $Class War$.
b) the relevant photocopy from $Green Anarchist$.
c) a photocopy from $Searchlight$.
d) my letter to the Police Commissioner.

You will doubtless recall that in 1991, after the authorities had 
received a complaint concerning the distribution of (supposed) 
anti-Semitica by Mr Colin Jordan - Britain's longest running Nazi 
and an avowed anti-Semite - the said gentleman was raided in 
connection with the cartoon (item c). As a result of publishing 
this one poxy cartoon, Mr Jordan endured 18 months of state 
harassment. In the end he only got his property back and had all 
charges against him dropped because of a technicality. Although 
some people may well find this cartoon offensive, (as you did, 
undoubtedly, though personally I find it rather puerile), I 
cannot for the life of me say that I consider it likely to incite 
hatred against anyone. I am sure that you will agree one cannot 
say the same for the depiction of Mr Portillo, or for the gloa-
ting over the murder of three French policemen and the goading to 
further murders in relation to British police officers.

If you recall, Judge Finestein was quoted in the $Jewish Chronicle$ 
at the time claiming that the law against incitement wasn't 
strong enough, and referred to "sickening" hate literature. Silly 
cartoons of Jews and others is one thing, but the wilful incite-
ment of the murder of members of the judiciary (including Judge 
Finestein); police officers; and a named, prominent, and, to some 
extent vulnerable, person - ie a Government Minister - is another 
thing entirely. Your paper actually devoted the better part of 
the front page to the story of the Jordan raid, although I don't 
recall your covering Mr Jordan's eventual triumph, for some 
strange reason.

Re the current incitements, I have now written to the Police 
Commissioner twice in connection with these outrageous incite-
ments, and have not received even the courtesy of a reply. (He 
has no excuse because my correspondence was delivered to New 
Scotland Yard by hand and copied to an Assistant Commissioner). 
This is all the more remarkable, and one can only assume that the 
police have a bizarre sense of priorities where they will jump on 
a lone geriatric from a great height for publishing the sort of 
cartoon one can find in great quantity in any comic shop while 
ignoring the direct incitement to murder of their own kind. It's 
almost as if the Commissioner believes that his officers are not 
worth a Jewish fingernail.

I am therefore asking your paper to support me in my campaign to 
have both the purveyors of these pieces of filth: $Green Anarchist$ 
and $Class War$; and the shops that stock them: Centerprise, Hous-
mans, Bookmarks and Mushroom Books (among others) prosecuted.

I am sure you will agree that the direct incitement to murder of 
judges, policemen and named individuals is far more serious than 
the overt sarcasm of an embittered old man. I will be forwarding 
copies of this letter and your reply to both Mr Jordan and the 
British National Party, and posting them on the Internet, so that 
these sorely misguided people and the world at large can see 
exactly what you think of such despicable and cowardly behaviour. 

I might add also that the shop Centerprise has charitable status 
and is funded by Greater London Arts and Hackney Council; I am 
sure you will agree that there is nothing the least bit charit-
able about any of this sewage, and that this shop should have its 
charitable status revoked. (Incidentally, this shop also stocks 
"anti-Zionist" literature).

I hope to hear from you soon, and trust that you will use all the 
weight of your office to bring about the rapid prosecution of all 
the parties named herein. I would point out that I wrote to Mr 
Portillo who thanked me but didn't make any further comment. You 
though are not in that position, and I am sure that rather than 
embarrassed you will be outraged.


Yours sincerely,
A Baron


No reply






Dr Anthony Kushner,                          93c Venner Road,
University of Southampton.                   Sydenham,
                                             London SE26 5HU.
                                             0181 659 7713.        



May 22, 1995

Dear Dr Kushner,

This letter concerns the wilful incitement of hatred and murder. 
This is all the more serious because it is directed against a) 
members of the judiciary; b) police officers, many of whom have 
been murdered in the execution of their duty; c) a named individ-
ual, the Government Minister Michael Portillo.

You will find enclosed with this letter the following:

a) the two relevant photocopies from $Class War$.
b) the relevant photocopy from $Green Anarchist$.
c) a photocopy from $Searchlight$.
d) my letter to the Police Commissioner.

You will doubtless recall that in 1991, after the authorities had 
received a complaint concerning the distribution of (supposed) 
anti-Semitica by Mr Colin Jordan - Britain's longest running Nazi 
and an avowed anti-Semite - the said gentleman was raided in 
connection with the cartoon (item c). As a result of publishing 
this one poxy cartoon, Mr Jordan endured 18 months of state 
harassment. In the end he only got his property back and had all 
charges against him dropped because of a technicality. Although 
some people may well find this cartoon offensive, (as you did, 
undoubtedly, though personally I find it rather puerile), I 
cannot for the life of me say that I consider it likely to incite 
hatred against anyone. I am sure that you will agree one cannot 
say the same for the depiction of Mr Portillo, or for the gloa-
ting over the murder of three French policemen and the goading to 
further murders in relation to British police officers.

In your recent book $The Holocaust And The Liberal Imagination$ and 
in a review of Deborah Lipstadt's polemic against Holocaust 
Revisionism, you suggest that legal methods should be used to 
silence (what you claim to be) organised hatred. 

In your book you claim also that "the liberal British state has 
refused to protect one of its most vulnerable minorities...Indi-
vidual liberty has been put on a higher plane than the sensitivi-
ties of those who have suffered some of the worst abuses of the 
twentieth century."

This is certainly the case with regard to Britain's policemen; 
many members of this minority face constant threats of assault 
>from  the public, and many of them have been murdered in cold 
blood from the Derek Bentley affair and before right down to the 
present moment. I have now written to the Police Commissioner 
twice in connection with the outrageous incitements itemised 
above, and have not received even the courtesy of a reply. (He 
has no excuse because my correspondence was delivered to New 
Scotland Yard by hand and copied to an Assistant Commissioner). 
This is all the more remarkable, and one can only assume that the 
police have a bizarre sense of priorities where they will jump on 
a lone geriatric from a great height for publishing the sort of 
cartoon one can find in great quantity in any comic shop while 
ignoring the direct incitement to murder of their own kind. It's 
almost as if the Commissioner believes that his officers are not 
worth a Jewish fingernail.

I am therefore asking you to support me in my campaign to have 
both the purveyors of these pieces of filth: $Green Anarchist$ and 
$Class War$; and the shops that stock them: Centerprise, Housmans, 
Bookmarks and Mushroom Books (among others) prosecuted.

I am sure you will agree that the direct incitement to murder of 
judges, policemen and named individuals is far more serious than 
the overt sarcasm of an embittered old man. I will be forwarding 
copies of this letter and your reply to both Mr Jordan and the 
British National Party, and posting them on the Internet, so that 
these sorely misguided people and the world at large can see 
exactly you think of such despicable and cowardly behaviour.

I might add also that the shop Centerprise has charitable status 
and is funded by Greater London Arts and Hackney Council; I am 
sure you will agree that there is nothing the least bit charit-
able about any of this sewage, and that this shop should have its 
charitable status revoked.

I hope to hear from you soon, and trust that you will use what-
ever ever influence you have in academia to assist in the rect-
ifying of this monstrous injustice.


Yours sincerely,
A Baron

No reply



                                        93c Venner Road,
                                        Sydenham,
                                        London SE26 5HU.
                                        0181 659 7713.        


June 13, 1995

Dear Mr Bindman,

I am most disappointed that you have not replied to my letter of 
May 22 re the incitement to murder of police officers, judges and 
Michael Portillo. I am writing to inform you that this matter is 
now being investigated, and also to urge you again to press the 
authorities to prosecute to the full the publishers and distribu-
tors of this sewage $Class War$ and $Green Anarchist$, notwithstand-
ing that at least two of its distributors are clients of yours.

The incitement against police officers is, I feel, particular 
odious. In the words of Tony Kushner "Individual liberty has been 
put on a higher plane than the sensitivities of those who have 
suffered some of the worst abuses of the twentieth century...The 
liberal British state has refused to protect one of its most 
vulnerable minorities..."

Admittedly Dr Kushner was writing here about Holocaust survivors 
(including some, like Kitty Hart, who are obviously suffering 
>from  false memory syndrome), but I am sure you will admit that 
police officers have suffered far greater abuses than the latter 
since the end of the Second World War, and they are certainly far 
more vulnerable. Only the other day one was stabbed and seriously 
wounded in Central London at a spot I passed within a few hundred 
yards of only an hour or so before.


Yours sincerely,
A Baron


No reply



Sir Ivan Lawrence QC, MP,               93c Venner Road,
Chairman: Home Affairs Committee.       Sydenham,
                                        London SE26 5HU.
                                        0181 659 7713.        



May 22, 1995

Dear Sir Ivan,

Although you are not my MP, you are the Chairman of the Home 
Affairs Committee, and I am writing to you as both an MP and as 
said Chairman. This letter concerns the wilful incitement of 
hatred and murder. This is all the more serious because it is 
directed against a) members of the judiciary, (which could one 
day include you); b) police officers, many of whom have been mur-
dered in the execution of their duty; c) a named individual, your 
colleague Michael Portillo.

You will find enclosed with this letter the following:

a) the two relevant photocopies from $Class War$.
b) the relevant photocopy from $Green Anarchist$.
c) a photocopy from $Searchlight$.
d) my letter to the Police Commissioner.

You will recall that in 1991, Mr Colin Jordan - Britain's longest 
running Nazi and an avowed anti-Semite - was raided in connection 
with the cartoon (item c). As a result of publishing this one 
poxy cartoon, Mr Jordan endured 18 months of state harassment. In 
the end he only got his property back and had all charges against 
him dropped because of a technicality. Although some people may 
well find this cartoon offensive, I cannot for the life of me say 
that I consider it likely to incite hatred against anyone. One 
cannot say the same for the depiction of Mr Portillo, or for the 
gloating over the murder of three French policemen and the goad-
ing to further murders in relation to British police officers.

I have now written to the Police Commissioner twice in connection 
with these outrageous incitements, and have not received even the 
courtesy of a reply. (He has no excuse because my correspondence 
was delivered to New Scotland Yard by hand and copied to an 
Assistant Commissioner). I am therefore asking you to support me 
in my campaign to have both the purveyors of these pieces of 
filth: $Green Anarchist$ and $Class War$; and the shops that stock 
them: Centerprise, Housmans, Bookmarks and Mushroom Books (among 
others) prosecuted.

I am sure you will agree that the direct incitement to murder of 
judges, policemen and named individuals is far more serious than 
the overt sarcasm of an embittered old man. I will be forwarding 
copies of this letter and your reply to both Mr Jordan and the 
British National Party, and posting them on the Internet, so that 
these sorely misguided people and the world at large can see 
exactly what you think of such despicable and cowardly behaviour.

I might add also that the shop Centerprise has charitable status 
and is funded by Greater London Arts and Hackney Council; I am 
sure you will agree that there is nothing the least bit charit-
able about any of this sewage, and that this shop should have its 
charitable status revoked. (It also stocks both "anti-Zionist" 
literature and queer porn).

I hope to hear from you soon, and trust that you will use all the 
weight of your offices (as MP, Home Affairs Chairman and a law-
yer) to bring about the rapid prosecution of all the parties 
named herein. Again, I stress that although you are not my MP I 
am writing to you in an official capacity and hope that you will 
take immediate action. I would point out that I wrote to Mr 
Portillo who thanked me but didn't make any further comment. 
Obviously the poor man is embarrassed, and if I had stopped to 
think I would not have written to him. You though are not in that 
position, and I am sure that rather than embarrassed you will be 
outraged.


Yours sincerely,
A Baron



Unlike Dr Anthony (protect us damned liars) Kushner and Gerald 
(fuck you, PC Plod) Kaufman, Sir Ivan has a proper sense of 
priorities and told the current writer in a letter dated 9 June 
1995 that he would refer this sewage $Class War$ and $Green 
Anarchist$ to the Home Affairs Committee. We trust this has now 
been done, but no action has yet come of it. Perhaps you should 
give Barbara Mills a kick up the arse, Sir Ivan?




Michael Newland,              93c Venner Road,
Press Officer,                Sydenham,
British National Party.       London SE26 5HU.
                              0181 659 7713.        
                              E-Mail A_Baron@ABaron.Demon.Co.UK


May 22, 1995


Dear Mr Newland,

This letter concerns the wilful incitement of hatred and murder. 
This is all the more serious because it is directed against a) 
members of the judiciary; b) police officers, many of whom have 
been murdered in the execution of their duty; c) a named individ-
ual, the Government Minister Michael Portillo.

You will find enclosed with this letter the following:

a) the two relevant photocopies from $Class War$.
b) the relevant photocopy from $Green Anarchist$.
c) a photocopy from $Searchlight$.
d) my letter to the Police Commissioner.

You will doubtless recall that in 1991, after the authorities had 
received a complaint concerning the distribution of (supposed) 
anti-Semitica by Mr Colin Jordan - Britain's longest running Nazi 
and an avowed anti-Semite - the said gentleman was raided in 
connection with the cartoon (item c). As a result of publishing 
this one poxy cartoon, Mr Jordan endured 18 months of state 
harassment. In the end he only got his property back and had all 
charges against him dropped because of a technicality. Although 
some people may well find this cartoon offensive, (though person-
ally I find it rather puerile), I cannot for the life of me say 
that I consider it likely to incite hatred against anyone. I am 
sure that you will agree one cannot say the same for the depic-
tion of Mr Portillo, or for the gloating over the murder of three 
French policemen and the goading to further murders in relation 
to British police officers.

If you recall, Judge Finestein was quoted in the $Jewish Chronicle$ 
at the time claiming that the law against incitement wasn't 
strong enough, and referred to "sickening" hate literature. Silly 
cartoons of Jews and others is one thing, but the wilful incite-
ment of the murder of members of the judiciary (including Judge 
Finestein); police officers; and a named, prominent, and, to some 
extent vulnerable, person - ie a Government Minister - is another 
thing entirely. The $Jewish Chronicle$ actually devoted the better 
part of the front page to the story of the Jordan raid, although 
I don't recall its covering Mr Jordan's eventual triumph, for 
some strange reason.

Re the current incitements, I have now written to the Police 
Commissioner twice in connection with these outrageous incite-
ments, and have not received even the courtesy of a reply. (He 
has no excuse because my correspondence was delivered to New 
Scotland Yard by hand and copied to an Assistant Commissioner). 
This is all the more remarkable, and one can only assume that the 
police have a bizarre sense of priorities where they will jump on 
a lone geriatric from a great height for publishing the sort of 
cartoon one can find in great quantity in any comic shop while 
ignoring the direct incitement to murder of their own kind. It's 
almost as if the Commissioner believes that his officers are not 
worth a Jewish fingernail.

I am therefore asking your party to support me in my campaign to 
have both the purveyors of these pieces of filth: $Green Anarchist$ 
and $Class War$; and the shops that stock them: Centerprise, Hous-
mans, Bookmarks and Mushroom Books (among others) prosecuted.

I am sure you will agree that the direct incitement to murder of 
judges, policemen and named individuals is far more serious than 
the overt sarcasm of an embittered old man. I will be forwarding 
copies of this letter and your reply to the leaders of the Anglo-
Jewish Establishment and posting them on the Internet, so that 
they and the world at large can see exactly what your so-called  
Nazi Party thinks of such despicable and cowardly behaviour. 

I might add also that the shop Centerprise has charitable status 
and is funded by Greater London Arts and Hackney Council; I am 
sure you will agree that there is nothing the least bit charit-
able about any of this sewage, and that this shop should have its 
charitable status revoked. 

I hope to hear from you in due course.


Yours sincerely,
A Baron


Michael Newland did not reply to me directly but in its September 
1995 issue, $British Nationalist$ editorialised "Left-wing book-
shops all over the country - some of them registered charities - 
now openly sell publications calling for the murder of police 
officers. Nothing is done despite complaints to both the police 
and MPs". The paper asks: "Why are the owners of these shops not 
prosecuted?" Why not indeed.

-- 

Alexander Baron: InFoText Manuscripts

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sat May 18 07:36:05 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: The Hoess Memoir and 'Revisionist' Insanity
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           mike@aimetering.com "Mike Curtis" writes:

> And what the evidence that Lipstadt has no intellectual honesty?

If you don't want to wait for my next book I suggest you flip through
Lipstadt and count the references to the Protocols of Zion. Then see how many
references you can find to this document in Revisionist books. She is also a
Janus-faced bitch, as her Patterns of Prejudice article reveals.

-- 

Alexander Baron: InFoText Manuscripts

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Wed May 22 23:45:46 PDT 1996
Article: 37768 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Dan's fairy tales
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In article <4nggqi$s1i@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:

> >   Alexander Baron  writes:
>   
> >  For the record I think you're suffering from what Phil Klass would call
> >  Credulous Dementia Syndrome.
> 
>         For the record, that *is* what Phil Klass says about *you*.


Even if that statement is true the sentiment is not mutual; Klass deserves
a medal for his services to combating nonsense. That's something else we
have in common.

-- 

Alexander Baron: InFoText Manuscripts

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Himmler Speaks in Posen, II
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

>  From the speech of Reichsfuehrer-SS Himmler, speaking to SS
> Major-Generals, Poznan, October 4 1943
> [Nazi Conspiracy and Aggression - Washington, U.S Govt. Print. 
> Off., 1946, Vol. IV, p. 559]
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> One basic principal must be the absolute rule for the SS man: we
> must be honest, decent, loyal, and comradely to members of our own
> blood and to nobody else. What happens to a Russian, to a Czech,
> does not interest me in the slightest. What the nations can offer
> in good blood of our type, we will take, if necessary by kidnapping
> their children and raising them with us.

Hmm, kinda knocks a hole in all this Master Race crap, doesn't it?

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"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
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From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Wed May 22 23:45:48 PDT 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.revisionism,alt.skinheads,can.politics,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Racism should be illegal?
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In article <4nggje$btt@Networking.Stanford.EDU> rich@c2.org "Rich Graves" writes:
> Robert, please explain what you mean. Racism is not illegal in any part of
> Canada. Many here, notably Ken McVay, are working to ensure that racism
> stays legal.

Hee, hee, hee.

-- 

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From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Wed May 22 23:45:49 PDT 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Yahoo! and The Jooooooooooooooish ConSPIRACY
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In article <4ngj6u$s1i@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:

> >   klewis@cariboopulp.com (klewis) writes:
> >
> >  
> >  For an excellent treatment of 'The Protocols,' read the opening chapters of 
> >  'Der Fuhrer' by Konrad (somebody---forgot his last name) written in 1944. It
>  is 
> >  an excellent refutation of this classic hoax and explains it's origins.


Why not study the 34 page bibliography of the Protocols by Al Baron? It contains
a wealth of information.

-- 

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"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: The Holocaust Plea
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In article <4nht9q$6in@hackberry.zilker.net>
           mike@aimetering.com "Mike Curtis" writes:

> Tell you what. Let's gass all people whose name is Alexander Baron
> because they are a pollution of the race of man. All Alexander Barons
> with no exception. In the end none of us will see what is so special
> about the suffering Alexander Barons of the World.

Would that have included Alexander Baron - author of FROM THE CITY, FROM THE
PLOUGH? 

-- 

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"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Pellets, shower, porous pillars...
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> What's the matter? You miserable Nazi imbeciles cannot decide if
> there are holes in the roof or not? 

Is it true that you've been commissioned to update HOW TO MAKE FRIENDS AND
INFLUENCE PEOPLE, Dan?

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From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Wed May 22 23:45:51 PDT 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: The Hoess Memoir and 'Revisionist' Insanity
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In article <4njeuc$fes@sjx-ixn2.ix.netcom.com>
           mgiwer@ix.netcom.com "Matt Giwer" writes:
>         It is always interesting to note that were it not for Jews
> themselves keeping the "Protocols" alive almost no one would have
> heard of them, INCLUDING everyone accused of believing them.

Mr Giwer, stop telling these vicious truths. The Protocols is more of a
mystical document than an anti-Semitic one, but boy, don't they scream.

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"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
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From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Wed May 22 23:45:52 PDT 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: The Hoess Memoir and 'Revisionist' Insanity
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In article <4nlgk7$es1@boris.eden.com> mcurtis@eden.com "Mike Curtis" writes:
> I'm not into name calling as a form of argument. 

Dan Keren would disagree.

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In article <4nlgk7$es1@boris.eden.com> mcurtis@eden.com "Mike Curtis" writes:

> I'm not into name calling as a form of argument. I'm unfamiliar with
> what a Janus-faced bitch is.

Janus was the Roman God with two-faces. Lipstadt says one thing while 
endorsing another.

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From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Wed May 22 23:45:53 PDT 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: The Hoess Memoir and 'Revisionist' Insanity
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In article <4nnctb$sen@boris.eden.com> mcurtis@eden.com "Mike Curtis" writes:
> Mr. Baron is such an easy person to refute. first it was his stupid
> aryan "race" claims. Now it's the
> _Protocols of the Elders of Zion_. I can use quite a mix of historians
> to refute this stupidity and the more the merrier.

What stupidity is that, dickhead? I know the history of the Protocols at least
as good as you; I've published a 34 page large format bibliography on them.

>It was the commonest of all anti-Semitic 
> smears that the Jews 'worked together' behind the scenes.

This is NOT a fantasy; Jews do work together behind the scenes, but so 
does everyone else.

> It first attained true published 
> form in a book by Serge Nilius called _The Great in Little_. 

Actually Krushevan was the first publisher in Znamya.


> The rest rehashes what we have already discussed above. So even though
> most distortionists have admitted that the
> _Protocols_ are fake and a forgery, it still seems that Alexander
> Baron and several others are still simpleminded
> and benighted enough to still think that their is something there.

Obviously you haven't read Alexander Baron.

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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Jews for Faggots in Alberta
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In article <4ns6k3$irl@sun4.bham.ac.uk>
           adp@wcl-rs.bham.ac.uk "Andrew Parton" writes:
> Perhaps he doesn't feel that ignorant bigotry and simple minded      
> condemnation were at the heart of Christs message. It really
> comforts me to know there are good Christians like you out there
> Alexander who can put him right.
>          
> Andy Parton  
> Dept. Of Psychology,
> University Of Surrey,
> Guildford,
> Surrey GU2 5XH.
> UK.

The point I was making is that some people in this group - whom I will not 
name - have claimed or insinuated that the Jewish religion is using 
homosexuality as a weapon to subvert Western society. The reality is that
the organised homosexual movement has made great strides in subverting the 
Christian religion, and is now attempting to do the same to Judaism.

Once Jesus only wanted your soul; now he wants your arsehole as well.

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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: The Hoess Memoir and 'Revisionist' Insanity
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In article <4nqut6$nd2@boris.eden.com> mcurtis@eden.com "Mike Curtis" writes:

> >Janus was the Roman God with two-faces. Lipstadt says one thing while 
> >endorsing another.
> 
> And your example with citations is?
> 
> You can do it once, Mr. Baron. Be honest and prove what you say.


Try any encyclopedia or book on Roman mythology.

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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article <4nggje$btt@Networking.Stanford.EDU> rich@c2.org "Rich Graves" writes:
> Robert, please explain what you mean. Racism is not illegal in any part of
> Canada. Many here, notably Ken McVay, are working to ensure that racism
> stays legal.

Hee, hee, hee.

-- 

Alexander Baron: InFoText Manuscripts

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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: The Hoess Memoir and 'Revisionist' Insanity
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In article <31a14826.16610034@news.txdirect.net>
           hmazal@txdirect.net "Harry W. Mazal OBE" writes:

> How often do deniers (Mr. Baron attempts to glorify these wretched
> little worms as 'Revisionists,') refer to the _Protocols..._ ?   Many
> times.
> 
> Let us analyse this further:
> 
> _The Zionist Connection_
> Alfred M. Lilienthal
> (three times)

Lilienthal a Revisionist?
> 
> Mr. Baron's favourite lady-friend:
> 
> _The Longest Hatred_
> Lady Jane Birdwood
> (un indexed. First reference on p. 13)
> 
Lady Birdwood is as gullible as she is sincere.

> _Jews in Russia_
> Victor E. Marsden
> (in indexed. First reference on p. 1)

Who died 20 years before the start of World War II; some Holocaust Revisionist!

> 
> _The Zionists_
> Geo. W. Armstrong
> (un indexed. First reference is an entire chapter on 
> the _Protocols..._  on p. 27)

Never heard of it.

> 
> _El Judio Internacional_
> Henry Ford
> (un indexed. First reference on p.8)

First published in the 1920s and not actuallty written by Henry Ford.

> 
> All of which is totally irrelevant.  Mr. Baron drags a (foetid) red
> herring across the path by asking his useless question. Professor
> Lipstadt quotes from the _Protocols..._ because she is demonstrating
> the predisposition of Mr. Baron's beloved Nazis to hate the Jews. The
> deniers _already_ hate the Jews;  they don't need to predispose
> themselves.

On what evidence do you base these stupid claims? People refuse to take
Jews at face value = anti-Semitism?
 
> As for waiting for Mr. Baron's books, let's not hold our breath. Mr.
> Baron has been promising a detailed analysis of the transcripts of the
> Belsen Trial since early last year. To date, we have not seen his
> brilliance.  On the other hand, the nail on the outhouse needs more
> paper, so perhaps we can entreat Mr. Baron to publish soon.

No I have not! What I have said is that I am currently reading the transcripts;
I expect to be researching the subject of the Holocaust for another three or
four years before I publish a substantial work, though I've already found
more than enough to make Dan Keren eat dirt.

-- 

Alexander Baron: InFoText Manuscripts

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Fri May 24 07:19:11 PDT 1996
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In article <31a14465.15649176@news.txdirect.net>
           hmazal@txdirect.net "Harry W. Mazal OBE" writes:

> It continues to be Mr. Mazal. Only my friends are allowed to call me
> by my first name. 

Apologies given, Harry.

> >You wouldn't say that if you'd been in court yesterday. For the record, my
> >barrister has now settled a statement of claim in my case against the police
> >and we are waiting for the next stage.
> 
> 
> Oh really?  As Mr. Baron himself was "in court yesterday" perhaps he
> would illuminate us on the size of his recent so-called settlement
> provided by the Metropolitan Police.   The mind boggles...

Read what I said above. 

-- 

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"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Fri May 24 09:23:00 PDT 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article <4nggje$btt@Networking.Stanford.EDU> rich@c2.org "Rich Graves" writes:
> Robert, please explain what you mean. Racism is not illegal in any part of
> Canada. Many here, notably Ken McVay, are working to ensure that racism
> stays legal.

Hee, hee, hee.

-- 

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"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
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In article <4mu4aq$dri@nyx10.cs.du.edu>
           anon3c67@nyx10.cs.du.edu "Bruce Watson" writes:
> And then we have 5). The FOREST defense.
> 
> 5) "Smoking is actually good for you. In the southern
> hemisphere smokers live longer than nonsmokers, the world
> is flat, only 6000 years old, and Fred Flintstone really
> rode a dinosaur at the rock quarry."

Anyone wants further information about FOREST and about their exposes of
junk science and anti-smoker lies, in the UK contact 0171 823 6550; US
or elsewhere send reply coupon or small donation to cover postage to 
FOREST
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London SW1
England.

-- 

Alexander Baron: InFoText Manuscripts

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy



From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Fri May 24 16:28:05 PDT 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Jews for Faggots in Alberta
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In article <4ns6k3$irl@sun4.bham.ac.uk>
           adp@wcl-rs.bham.ac.uk "Andrew Parton" writes:
> Perhaps he doesn't feel that ignorant bigotry and simple minded      
> condemnation were at the heart of Christs message. It really
> comforts me to know there are good Christians like you out there
> Alexander who can put him right.
>          
> Andy Parton  
> Dept. Of Psychology,
> University Of Surrey,
> Guildford,
> Surrey GU2 5XH.
> UK.

The point I was making is that some people in this group - whom I will not 
name - have claimed or insinuated that the Jewish religion is using 
homosexuality as a weapon to subvert Western society. The reality is that
the organised homosexual movement has made great strides in subverting the 
Christian religion, and is now attempting to do the same to Judaism.

Once Jesus only wanted your soul; now he wants your arsehole as well.

-- 

Alexander Baron: InFoText Manuscripts

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
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In article <4nggje$btt@Networking.Stanford.EDU> rich@c2.org "Rich Graves" writes:
> Robert, please explain what you mean. Racism is not illegal in any part of
> Canada. Many here, notably Ken McVay, are working to ensure that racism
> stays legal.

Hee, hee, hee.

-- 

Alexander Baron: InFoText Manuscripts

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
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In article <4mu4aq$dri@nyx10.cs.du.edu>
           anon3c67@nyx10.cs.du.edu "Bruce Watson" writes:
> And then we have 5). The FOREST defense.
> 
> 5) "Smoking is actually good for you. In the southern
> hemisphere smokers live longer than nonsmokers, the world
> is flat, only 6000 years old, and Fred Flintstone really
> rode a dinosaur at the rock quarry."

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England.

-- 

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In article <4mu4aq$dri@nyx10.cs.du.edu>
           anon3c67@nyx10.cs.du.edu "Bruce Watson" writes:
> And then we have 5). The FOREST defense.
> 
> 5) "Smoking is actually good for you. In the southern
> hemisphere smokers live longer than nonsmokers, the world
> is flat, only 6000 years old, and Fred Flintstone really
> rode a dinosaur at the rock quarry."

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-- 

Alexander Baron: InFoText Manuscripts

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
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On May 12 the Sunday Times carried a story about a Russian politician named 
Gennady Zyuganov. He appears to be something of a Holocaust Revisionist. He
claims that Stalin murdered (only!) half a million, and has found the proof
in the archives. No protests have yet been recorded from Harry Mazal, Dan
Keren or the Simon Wiesenthal Center. No outrages, no demonstrations, no
"educational" books are planned to refute this monstrous calumny. Any ideas
why not Mr Moran? Giwer? Doubting Thomas?

-- 

Alexander Baron: InFoText Manuscripts

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
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Subject: Re: The Hoess Memoir and 'Revisionist' Insanity
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In article <4o05pv$ft4@boris.eden.com> mcurtis@eden.com "Mike Curtis" writes:

> >This is NOT a fantasy; Jews do work together behind the scenes, but so 
> >does everyone else.
> 
> Really? And the proof of this contention is?

The very fact that Jewish organisations exist means that Jews work together.
Have you never heard of lobbying?

> >Actually Krushevan was the first publisher in Znamya.
> 
> And the citation for this little ditty is?

Cohn: Warrant For Genocide. I thought you people knew what you were talking
about, evidently not.

-- 

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In article <4o5a0q$g5d@sjx-ixn5.ix.netcom.com>
           mgiwer@ix.netcom.com "Matt Giwer" writes:

>         A while ago there was a picture uploaded to this conference with
> a caption something like "Jewish women executed by SS."  But as I
> pointed out there was only one indication that one of them might
> have been a woman and no indication of their being Jewish.  I
> suggested that, on the assumption they were all women, that it
> could have as easily been wiping out the evidence for a gang
> rape.
> 
>         Now where did the caption come from?  Who added it? 

Where and who indeed, Mr Giwer. There has been quite a bit of controversy in
the British media recently after the deputy leader of the Labour Party was 
photographed drinking with his wife. A bottle of beer was painted out of the
photo and attempt was made to portray him as a "champaigne socialist". This
may seem frivolous but the point is that a photograph is a document, and a
document which has been altered or has an inaccurate caption is a lie.

>         Anecdotal evidence is completely inadmissable as scientific
> evidence. 

Not in the Holocaust Mr Giwer, only an anti-Semite would suggest so!

>         And today we are still regularly regailed in this conference with
> stories that do not stand critical analysis yet they are
> presented as truth from on high.

Dan Keren for one is not the slightest bit interested in any critical analysis
which undermines his faith.


-- 

Alexander Baron: InFoText Manuscripts

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
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In article <4o77t6$649@soap.news.pipex.net>
           third-position@dial.pipex.com "ITP" writes:
> >Lady Birdwood is as gullible as she is sincere.
> 
> Lady Birdwood is a charming lady, who despite her age has been dragged
> through the English "justice" system for simply expressing certain truths.


Lady Birdwood is a victim of two conspiracies: in the first place of a group
of obsessive anti-Semites who have fed her all manner of garbage about the 
Protocols, etc. In the second place of a group of fanatical "Jewish" fascists
who have dragged her into court not once but twice on the pretext that she,
rather than they, is a danger to the public.

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"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sun May 26 12:24:21 PDT 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: The Hoess Memoir and 'Revisionist' Insanity
Date: Sat, 25 May 96 23:14:36 GMT
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> Alexander Baron  writes:
> 
> ## Victor E. Marsden
> 
> # Who died 20 years before the start of World War II; some
> # Holocaust Revisionist!
> 
> So? Even if someone died 20 years before the war, he still knew
> about the Holocaust as much as any of our "leading revisionists"...

Dan, before the end of July I'm gonna shove that comment right up your arse.
You are not just a dogmatist Dan, you are a zealot. Tertullian's dictum could
have been invented for you.

-- 

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"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sun May 26 12:24:22 PDT 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.discrimination,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.skinheads
Subject: Re: The Methodology of Leslie Griswold
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In article <4o7c7u$3vm@freenet-news.carleton.ca>
           ai433@FreeNet.Carleton.CA "John Baglow" writes:

> Maybe loser Les Griswold has a methodology which makes rules of evidence,
> citations, observations and other Jewish schemes obsolete. We should try
> it out. Here's one Griswoldian piece of analysis:
> 
> One 11-year-old criminal who raped a 13 year old girl is Black. Two white
> children of that age murdered a toddler in England a couple of years ago.
> Therefore, whites are twice as likely to commit serious crimes as Blacks.
> This Griswoldian logic is airtight, and I challenge any of you whiny libs
> to refute it. And if you try, I'll call you a bunch of names.


Robert Thompson and Jon Venables were 10 years old when they committed this
horrific crime. A ten year old boy in Leeds has just been convicted of 
manslaughter for throwing a heavy concrete slab off a tower block. It landed
on an old woman's head. In 1947 a 9 year old boy in Wales was charged with
murder. I tried to follow this case up but there was no further mention and
as he was below the age of culpability I would presume the charge was dropped.
These things happen all the time it's just that nowadays they are noticed more
due to the media.


-- 

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"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sun May 26 12:24:23 PDT 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Bigots and other nasty people
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In article <31A7789A.6F9D@rio.com> chuckf@rio.com "Chuck Ferree" writes:
> You say "fags" should all be shot...that is as Nazi-like attitude, and 
> the main reason Hitler and those other Nazi bastards perpetrated the 
> Holocaust on innocent people who they had decided weren't worth 
> living

Actually, in Weimar Germany, homosexuality was regarded as a Nazi perversion.
It may have been this which led to the Roehm purge. Communist propaganda of 
the time was that homosexuality would die out in the healthy new society of
the future. In Britain, the anti-fascist movement even made up an anti-Blackshirt
chant: Hitler and Mosley, what are they for?
       Thuggery, buggery, murder and war.

How times have changed.


-- 

Alexander Baron: InFoText Manuscripts

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sun May 26 15:34:03 PDT 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: sci.med,sci.stat.math,alt.syntax.tactical,talk.bizarre,alt.activism,alt.conspiracy,alt.smokers
Subject: Re: Does Smoking Really Kill Anybody?
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In article <31A707F6.688C@echip.com> bwheeler@echip.com "Bob Wheeler" writes:

> Judith Hatton wrote:
> > 
> > Comments are invited on the following:
> > 
> > Psychological Reports, 1995, 77, 1243 - 1246
> > 
> >                DOES SMOKING REALLY KILL ANYBODY
> >                       H.J. Eysenck
> >         Institute of Psychiatry   University of London
> > 
>

Not much of a response to this thread, as usual. Does that mean that the 
anti-smoking propaganda lobby cannot refute this distinguished scientists
arguments?

-- 

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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: sci.med,sci.stat.math,alt.syntax.tactical,talk.bizarre,alt.activism,alt.conspiracy,alt.smokers
Subject: Re: Does Smoking Really Kill Anybody?
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In article <31A707F6.688C@echip.com> bwheeler@echip.com "Bob Wheeler" writes:

> Judith Hatton wrote:
> > 
> > Comments are invited on the following:
> > 
> > Psychological Reports, 1995, 77, 1243 - 1246
> > 
> >                DOES SMOKING REALLY KILL ANYBODY
> >                       H.J. Eysenck
> >         Institute of Psychiatry   University of London
> > 
>

Not much of a response to this thread, as usual. Does that mean that the 
anti-smoking propaganda lobby cannot refute this distinguished scientists
arguments?

-- 

Alexander Baron: InFoText Manuscripts

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Mon May 27 15:50:35 PDT 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Seeking the first time
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In article <31a865b9.321805@news.pacificnet.net>
           tm@pacificnet.net "tom moran" writes:

> mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt Giwer) wrote:
> 
> 
> >
> >          _The American Hebrew_, October 31, 1919, page 582:
> >
> >                    THE CRUCIFIXION OF JEWS MUST STOP!
> >                           By MARTIN H. GLYNN
> >                  (Former Governor of the State of N.Y.)
> >
> >
> 
>         Giwer, whats the story with the date, "1919"?
> 

I've got a copy of this; I believe it was dug out by a contributor to
The Barnes Review. 

-- 

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From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Tue May 28 06:59:05 PDT 1996
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Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Seeking the first time
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In article <4oac62$ic3@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com>
           mgiwer@ix.netcom.com "Matt Giwer" writes:

> tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) wrote:
> 
> >mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt Giwer) wrote:
> 
> 
> >>
> >>          _The American Hebrew_, October 31, 1919, page 582:
> >>
> >>                    THE CRUCIFIXION OF JEWS MUST STOP!
> >>                           By MARTIN H. GLYNN
> >>                  (Former Governor of the State of N.Y.)
> >>
> >>
> 
> >       Giwer, whats the story with the date, "1919"?
> 
>         What story?  That is the publication date.  This has been around
> for quite some time.  No one has claimed it is a forgery or
> anything like that.  

It's not a forgery, I've got a copy. 

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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Turner Diaries
Date: Mon, 27 May 96 16:43:49 GMT
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In article <4oa2i5$12jm@useneta1.news.prodigy.com>
           EEGG87E@prodigy.com "M Huber" writes:
> Bookstores are ordering the new edition

I find that difficult to believe; this book is actually very good ammunition
for the enemies of the White Race, in particular Organised Jewry and 
International Socialism because it portrays anyone committed to White 
Survival as a baby-eating Hollywood type Nazi. I'm actually surprised 
that William Pierce hasn't been signed up by the ADL. Perhaps he has?

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From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Wed May 29 19:51:37 PDT 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Turner Diaries
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In article <4od73h$doc@Networking.Stanford.EDU> rich@c2.org "Rich Graves" writes:
> No, I bet YOU are working for the ADL. All this unsubstantiated nonsense
> about how Hitler never had it in for the Jews; my God, man, read your
> Mein Kampf. You DO own a copy, don't you? 

I have a copy of the James Murphy translation. So that "proves" that Hitler 
"gassed" Jews? Hmm...

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From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Wed May 29 20:37:00 PDT 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.discrimination,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.skinheads
Subject: Re: The Methodology of Leslie Griswold
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In article <4o7c7u$3vm@freenet-news.carleton.ca>
           ai433@FreeNet.Carleton.CA "John Baglow" writes:

> Maybe loser Les Griswold has a methodology which makes rules of evidence,
> citations, observations and other Jewish schemes obsolete. We should try
> it out. Here's one Griswoldian piece of analysis:
> 
> One 11-year-old criminal who raped a 13 year old girl is Black. Two white
> children of that age murdered a toddler in England a couple of years ago.
> Therefore, whites are twice as likely to commit serious crimes as Blacks.
> This Griswoldian logic is airtight, and I challenge any of you whiny libs
> to refute it. And if you try, I'll call you a bunch of names.


Robert Thompson and Jon Venables were 10 years old when they committed this
horrific crime. A ten year old boy in Leeds has just been convicted of 
manslaughter for throwing a heavy concrete slab off a tower block. It landed
on an old woman's head. In 1947 a 9 year old boy in Wales was charged with
murder. I tried to follow this case up but there was no further mention and
as he was below the age of culpability I would presume the charge was dropped.
These things happen all the time it's just that nowadays they are noticed more
due to the media.


-- 

Alexander Baron: InFoText Manuscripts

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Thu May 30 12:17:58 PDT 1996
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In article <4ode86$1jd@boris.eden.com> mcurtis@eden.com "Mike Curtis" writes:
 BTW, you still haven't sent me that
> article.

What article?

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Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: People like Hoess, Pery Broad & Kremer
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In article <4ocj4o$pf2@boris.eden.com> mcurtis@eden.com "Mike Curtis" writes:
> That's true. He used the loop-holes in the Constitution and the
> gullibility of the opposition to gain power and declare martial law by
> designing a false emergency. Gotta love him. :-)
> 
> >       Perhaps you could justify this "siezed" claim a bit?

Before Easter the British government sent a secret memorandum to the Shadow
Cabinet warning them that the IRA had ordered a bombing campaign in Britain.
The result was that the government rushed through new legislation giving the
police the power to stop and search people at random. There are many other
laws in Britain and the US which make them worse in many ways than Nazi 
Germany or even Soviet Russia, so please don't keep carping on about what
a wicked bunch of bastards the Nazis are, because you'll be in a concentration
camp hear before you know it, probably to be re-educated about the evils 
of "racism", or even "homophobia".

-- 

Alexander Baron: InFoText Manuscripts

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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           jamie@voyager.net "Jamie McCarthy" writes:
> 
> David Irving, as you may know, comments that "liquidate" simply means
> that the Jews will be deported and it's a harsh process and not many will
> survive.  Quite a conservative translation of "liquidate," in my opinion.
> I can hardly give him credit for his treatment of this passage.

Gena Turgel uses the word liquidate to mean much the same thing in her book,
but as this is a tissue of lies, I wouldn't place too much store by that.

-- 

Alexander Baron: InFoText Manuscripts

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy



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