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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: A Revisionist History of Civil Rights
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In article <4c6f5u$k1p@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:

>         Again, Lyin' Al, I can see no way in which what happened in 1983 and
> 1985 are relevant to any lawsuit which is now sub judice. 

I couldn't give a monkey's what you believe; I've told you where I stand and
where you get off.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Mon Jan  1 23:55:30 PST 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Apology and retraction demanded
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You have insisted again that Rabbi Goldstein doesn't exist, Yale. His 
address has been confirmed, and if you contact the Neturei Karta in New York
rather than make long distance phone calls (you claim) to London, you will
be given ample confirmation. I demand a retraction.

You're fond of this, you accuse me of lying, then when your specious claims 
are refuted you change the subject. A while ago you accused me of making a
gaff by revealing that I had a solicitor "How can Baron be acting in person
if he has a solicitor?" When I explained the situation you ignored it.

Now give me that retraction on the supposed non-existence of Rabbi Yosef 
Goldstein. Just for the record, if you call me an anti-Semite, his crowd,
the REAL Jews, believe that 8 million rather than 6 million died in the
Holocaust and that most of them were sacrificed to the Nazi murder machine
by the Zionists. Needless to say, he hates Zionism even more than I do.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Mon Jan  1 23:55:31 PST 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Selective truths about Civil "Rights"
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In article <4c6g5h$k1p@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:

>         Evidently you have a selective memory.  You sent unsolicited
> anti-Semitic tracts to people begging for money to be sent to you.

I sent a condemnation of Zionist atrocities which had RABBINIC APPROVAL.
Your slimy cousins tried to drage me into court for it; that is the bottom line.
Furthermore, this pamphlet - Charity Begins At Home - has been posted in this
group. If you seriously believe it is anti-Semitic, consult a psychiatrist.

The reason so many Blacks hate Jews like you Yale is they realise what filthy
hypocrites you are: crying buckets over black kids getting sent to segregated
schools and looking the other way while your murdering cousins shoot Arab
schoolchildren. They realise you don't give a fuck about them any more than 
you do about anyone else, and that people like you are only using them as
part of your fanatical hate campaign against Western society. Get a life.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Tue Jan  2 16:37:49 PST 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: A Revisionist History of Civil Rights
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In article <4c7rvb$1vim@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:

> Example?

Like Kitty Hart's book for example: compare what she saw with what she
claims she saw.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Tue Jan  2 16:37:49 PST 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: More fake testimony for Dan Keren to explain away.
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In article <4c7rp5$1vim@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:
> Wrong. You are told that "Baron said so" is an inadequate response
> when you make claims about some written source for which you are
> unwilling to supply citations.

So if the sources are not published it's okay not to supply citations? 

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Tue Jan  2 16:37:50 PST 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: More Treason from Kleim
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In article 
           bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA "Les Griswold" writes:

> Just answer these two related questions, Alex:  
> 
> 1)  Could we (Whites) survive without the jews?

As a non-Aryan white yes.
> 
> 2)  Could the jews survive without us?

Yes. But some of them couldn't survive without hate; there is a candid
admission of this is a recent Jewish Chronicle. The mistake you are making 
is lumping together the Stuermer-like Mr Edeiken and his fellow travellers in
the ADL with ordinary run of the mill Jews.

> 
> Alex, I can hardly credit you with having written this.  In your world,
> there are obviously only three types of people:  jews, their lackeys, and you.

The Turner Diaries is the sort of book an ADL agent provocateur would write;
in the words of Sefton Delmer: "The very best 'black' operation is to spit in
a man's soup and cry Heil Hitler!"

As someone who has published a documented expose of a Zionist-inspired agent
provocateur I know what I'm talking about. Also whatever certain creeps have
posted about me in this group I am neither a Nazi or an anti-Semite.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Wed Jan  3 14:19:15 PST 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: A Revisionist History of Civil Rights
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In article <4ca87v$1hp8@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>
           gmcfee@ibm.net "Gord McFee" writes:


> They were not confessions.  It was in a conversation with me, a private one
> and I have no intention of posting it anywhere, because it is hearsay. 

So it is not evidence, simply hearsay? What is there to discuss?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Wed Jan  3 14:19:15 PST 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: A Revisionist History of Civil Rights
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In article <4cbt6k$gp2@eco.twg.com> chall@eco.twg.com "Charles Don Hall" writes:

> Does this mean that you would also have opposed the "Jim Crow" 
> laws? 

Which ones in particular?

 
> What about private-sector efforts to end segregation? In its
> early days, the Civil Rights movement relied mostly on boycotts
> and pickets. Would that have met with your approval?

If you study the history of South Africa you will find, contrary to 
socialist propaganda, that capitalism breaks down racial barriers; it was
white mine workers who campaigned for differential pay rates, not wicked
capitalists, and so on.

 
> Here's a hypothetical: Suppose the Civil Rights movement had
> taken a far more Libertarian path, and had never pushed for
> legislation. Suppose they'd relied solely on boycotts and
> pickets. 

There is no freedom without economic freedom; people in this newsgroup 
have called me all manner of names including that vacuous charge of "racist"
but I never met a man I hated so much that I wouldn't take his money. If some
whites don't to do business with blacks, others will. And I'll be head of the
queue.

By the way, before you post any innuendo about me I would point out that last
year - or was it 1994? - I published a pamphlet in support of the (so-called)
communist Nelson Mandela.


> (You see what I'm getting at, right? An integrated store
> will attract pro-integration customers of any race.

Wrong, a good store will attract customers, a bad one won't. 
 
> A segregated store will attract pro-segregation customers
> of a single race. Since there's more of the former than
> the latter, the integrated store will be able to offer
> better prices. This will attract all the customers who
> aren't interested in racial issues but like low prices.
> I've heard it argued that this is exactly the reason
> that the "Jim Crow" laws were passed in the first place.)

If you're talking about enforced segregation I have always opposed it.
The situation in the South was a great deal more complicated than that; it's
not "racism" but deep social mores and other factors that were the issue.


>Integration works to reduce racial
> >> >> tension, because it gives the kids a chance to get to know each
> >> >> other as individuals.
> >> >
> >> >That is totally contrary to fact.
> >> 
> >> Well, all I can say is that that's what I experienced when I 
> >> attended racially-mixed public schools (1967-1980). What did
> >> you experience when *you* attended racially-mixed public
> >> schools?

There were a few blacks at my school, but there was no compulsion and no
brainwashing like today.

> I continue to believe that integration has worked to reduce racial
> tension in the US. Do you have evidence that this is "totally 
> contrary to fact", or were you just speaking off the top of your 
> head?

This is totally contrary to fact; we never used to have race riots in Britain,
but the more forced race-mixing is pushed the worse it gets. The reason for this
is simple the people who are pushing it don't give a fuck about blacks or
about anyone else.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Wed Jan  3 17:59:51 PST 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article <4cbvom$osu@shiva.usa.net> hkatz@earth.usa.net "Harry Katz" writes:

> What Mr. Griswold and Mr. Baron describe is Jew-baiting in reverse.
> Both of these bigots have posted dozens of articles ranting and
> raving about Jews, accusing all Jews -- but never a specific Jew, for
> fear of the libel laws -- 

I have named specific Jews. And I know all about libel laws. 


> Note that neither of these two bigots can document any baiting of
> anyone who has not been thoroughly exposed as a racist, whereas the
> bigots themselves make no distinctions between their victims.

On the contrary Harry, it is a matter of record that Oswald Mosley, for 
example, did not begin spreading anti-Semitic propaganda until after Jews
had attacked his members physically. More recently the National Front tried
to woo the Jewish vote; two Jews even stood as candidates for them. Organised
Jewry were undeterred and attacked the party left, right and centre. What, by
the way, has M. Le Pen ever done to incur Jewish hatred?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Wed Jan  3 17:59:52 PST 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: A Revisionist History of Civil Rights
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In article <4c9tpb$egq@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:

> King, should you not have noted, is a hero to most
> Americans.

King is also just about the biggest plagiarist in American history, and by
your own account a notorious adulterer. Fine sort of role model for black youth.
I think I'll stick with defrocked Rabbis.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article <4c9rk6$2r2@amhux3.amherst.edu>
           jaklein@unix.amherst.edu "Josh Klein" writes:
> That's not the point at all, Mr. Baron.  The point is that you were
> absolutely incorrect when you stated that black children attempting
> to integrate white classrooms would not have been subject to violence.

How do you know?

> The point is that blacks during the civil rights period had a great
> deal to fear from whites, and that federal protection was absolutely
> necessary for their safety.

But who caused all this trouble Josh? Incidentally, Orthodox Jews have never
been overkeen on forced race-mixing, either with blacks or with goyim in 
general. That's fine with me, they stood up to be counted when it mattered.
Where were you after Hebron Mr liberal philosopher Klein?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Thu Jan  4 12:31:54 PST 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Al Baron and Centerprise
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In article 
           cendbj@bonaly.hw.ac.uk "David Johnston" writes:

> 
> Please note that neither of these publications were actually funded or
>  published by 
> Centerprise. 

I never said or implied they were, but don't forget "The 43 Group"

>My opinion is that they should not be sold by a charity, but also
>  that Al has 
> exaggerated his evidence to support a pre-determined conclusion. I find it
>  interesting that 
> there is a distinct lack of actual quotes, and that there are several claims
>  without any sort of 
> supporting evidence.

Thank you for your support. If you want further information I would suggest 
that you write to the Police Commissioner and ask him; he will probably tell
you that the publications have been referred to the Attorney General. From your
post it is apparent that you have never read "Class War"; if you had, you 
wouldn't accuse me of exaggerating. Re "Green Anarchist", it is true that 
this is a review, but not only are you forgeting the "Directory of Scum" but
you have obviously not seen this publication either. A 1993 issue (or maybe
92), contained a direct incitement to murder John Tyndall. Green Anarchist
have actually been raided by the police; there was an article in the Guardian
about it some time ago.

> 
> I also find it fascinating that Al, who is so anti-hate literature, should send
>  me a list of titles 
> he has for sale which includes (and I quote):
> 
> Kiss me Dead, Lee: The Official AIDS Joke Book - If you like books about queers
>  dying of 
> AIDS, this one's for you.

Well, this IS a joke book.
> 
> A Real Case Against The Jews - An attack on the Board of Deputies, the
>  unregistered agents 
> of an alien and fascistic government. Clearly documents how they use whining,
>  wailing and 
> wire-pulling to destroy our freedoms.

I stand by every word.

> The Life and "Crimes" of John Colin Campbell Jordon or why an Honest Nazi is
>  better than 
> a Lying, Scheming Jew.

This is actually about "One" lying, scheming Jew; it contains a documented
refutation of the anti-Semitic conspiracy theory of capitalism and a few
kind words about Michael Marks. Never judge a book by its title.

> Britain's Police: Not Worth a Jewish Fingernail - A documented expose of the
>  lies, hypocrisy 
> and whining corruption of Organised Jewry. Contains damning revelations and
>  admissions.
> 
> Do these not qualify as hate literature, Al? If not, why not?

None of them qualify as hate literature; this latter has been mailed out 
to police officers; the title is abbreviated somewhat. I've just sent Mike
Stein a copy. As he will tell you in due course, the belief that Britain's
police are not worth a Jewish fingernail is one to which most of the senior
Zionists in Britain fully subscribe; this pamphlet contains the documented
proof.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Thu Jan  4 12:31:55 PST 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article 
           zohrab_p@atlantis.actrix.gen.nz "Peter Zohrab" writes:
> 
> Freedom of speech means that Masculists, Native Americans and Revisionists all
> have the right to express their views -- right or wrong.


Now if there is one race of people who has a real case against the white man,
it is certainly the Red Man. That was a real Holocaust.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Thu Jan  4 12:31:56 PST 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Baron, Oprah, and Ritual Murder
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In article 
           mvanalst@rbi.com "Mark Van Alstine" writes:
> Excuses, excuses, Al. Nothing but excuses. I suppose you think such a mea
> culpa absolves you of your irresponsible and unobjective act of posting
> such an error-ridden anti-Semitic piece of trash? I don't. In fact, your
> squirming around to escape responsibility for your actions is even _more_
> damning to your "credibility." 

Don't say anything you might live to regret because, as I said, I made it clear
that I don't believe this passage and this has been in print since 1993 in
pamphlet form, and 1991 (if my memory serves me correctly) in a filed 
manuscript. There is nothing either inaccurate or anti-Semitic about the passage;
I cited my source accurately.
> 
> > > Worse, you then take this fallacious and error-ridden piece of garbage and
> > > try and use it in a comparative "argument." You might as well have the
> > > tooth-fairy fable instead. At lest _then_ the reader would be under no
> > > doubt that it was a fable. But no, you chose to use a deceptive story
> > > instead. (Though I must admit,  attributing the "gullible" Lady  Birdwood
> > > as the source did arouse my suspicions.) That speaks volumes about your
> > > motives, Al. None it flattering in the least. 
> > 
> > Again, I have never doubted for one moment that the story is fantasy; that 
> > is made clear in the article. 
> 
> No, it was _not_ made clear in your post. In fact not much of _anything_
> is made clear in your (origional) post at all. And you said you believed
> that "Rachel's"
> story was "far more believable than Hart's." 

Precisely, which means that Hart's story is a right load of old bollocks.

>Yet you have never _said_,
> specifically, why you believed so. Again, what _evidence_ do you gave for
> such a belief? What is there about "Rachel's" claims that make it more
> believable than Hart's? 

The fact that this is an alleged isolated case whereas Hart claims this 
happened on a massive scale, babies in the bonfire and sucking nipples in
the gas chamber included.
 
> > > > I presume you are familiar with the West trial: the murder of West's first> > > > wife and adopted daughter and of their own daughter, and possible 
> > > > cannibalism?> > Horror stories such as these make one wonder what to 
> > > > believe and what to  reject.
> > > 
> > > And how, exactly, does this make Hart's stary unbelievable? Or "Rachel's"
> > > story more believable than Hart's? Sounds like you're dissimulating.

What I mean is that no one would have believed the West case if it had 
happened a couple of hundred years ago and the Wests had been Jewish; the fact
that it happened today and has 
been thoroughly documented shows that often the truth is stranger than fiction.

> > > Again. What factual evidence do you have for your assertion? You've made
> > > your bed now lay in it. Stop evading and show _why_ you believe "Rachel's"
> > > story is "far more believable than Hart's." Or is it that you can't and
> > > therefore _must_ dissasemble and evade? I suspect so. 

Compare the two.

> > The West story is so fantastic that most people would dismiss it out of hand
> > if it were not so well documented. The point I was making here is that the
> > the incredible can quite often be true but that we shouldn't believe it 
> > without extraordinary proof, something which is clearly lacking with Hart.
> 
> Al, you've just hoist yourself by your own petard. Hart's story, as
> incredicle as it it, _is_ believable _because_ there is "extraordinary
> proof" in that many of the things she talked about were seperately
> confirmed as being possible by other people.

No. People are simply repeating the same nonsense. Hart talks about soap
being made from bodies - hearsay and rumour; the gassed baby - hearsay;
the babies thrown onto the bonfires she obviously never saw, read the whole 
chapter. She made it all up. All of it.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4ce8od$is3@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>
           kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca "Ken McVay OBC" writes:

> W.A.R. Veteran
> --------------
> 
> Tom Metzger's Long March of Hate

Laird Wilcox has some interesting things to say about Metzger and the people
who dragged him into court in CRYING WOLF.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Thu Jan  4 12:31:57 PST 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article <4cc2lg$ca4@mycroft.westnet.com>
           pbrowne@westnet.com "Paul Browne" writes:
> : >    In May 1929, Capone was picked up for carrying a pistol. As the 
> : >  right to bear arms is written into the American Constitution, this 
> : >  was obviously only a technical offence. Yet within sixteen hours of 
> : >  his arrest, Capone had been tried, convicted and sentenced to a year 
> : >  in gaol. (33) [Ness & Fraley, The Untouchables, page 80.] 
> 
> :       Baron has no answer as to why his source, Kobler, tells
> : a different story.

Because, as stated, this pamphlet is not really about Al Capone, but Edeiken,
being as thick as pigshit and trying to get one up on me by displaying his
knowledge of American law enforcement, doesn't realise it. I didn't use Kobler
as my main source; if I were writing a treatise on Capone I'd had used newspapers
and the like. The main point was to compare what Ness said about him with what
the man actually did. I used Kobler to supplement the story and only skipped 
over it.

> : >  I'll have to look this up; I cited my source accurately.
> 
>   ...Baron of course seemingly does not know that this arrest was not a 
> pickup but a setup.

I have actually heard this but it's really only speculation; you will admit
that one possible interpretation is that Capone was an honest businessman
who was harassed by the authorities.

> : 
>   ...silly they may be but no worse than some others. Capone was no saint 
> but Prohibiton made him, and others like him...Bugs Moran, Lucky Luciano, 
> Meyer Lansky, Bugsy Siegel, Owen Madden etc...necessary. The Eighteenth 
> Amendment aka the Volstead Act foolishly prohibited the manufacture, sale 
> and transportation of liquors and created a willing (that's right, 
> willing) market of customers for these men. 

Which is one of the points I was making.


>As Schoenberg quotes Capone 
> himself, " 'All I ever did was to sell beer and whiskey to our best 
> people. All I ever did was to supply a demand that was pretty popular. 
> Why, the very guys that make my trade good are the ones that yell the 
> loudest about me. Some of the leading judges use the stuff. When I sell 
> liquor, it's called bootlegging. When my patrons serve it on silver trays 
> on Lake Shore Drive, it's called hospitality.' " 'Al Capone...both his 
> purpose and his practice are one hundred percent American,' " 

Hear hear!


>   ...a murderous thug Bugsy Siegel may have been but he performed 
> important commercial services in the 1920's by supplying alcohol to a 
> willing market.


The kind of Jewish businessman I make no criticisms of.


>      To sum up, then, I give Yale Edeiken a caution: make sure you get 
> your facts straight because all it takes to get from "Lyin AL" to "Lyin 
> Yale" are your initials YE. You were right in citing Roger Corman's 1967 
> film "The St. Valentine's Day Massacre" as one of the more accurate 
> accounts of the era, IMHO it's 95% accurate which says a lot...and Corman 
> still stands behind the film in his 1992 autobiography...but blaming Al 
> Baron or even Al Capone or gangsters collectively for the 
> social/criminal/political problems of the 1920's and afterwards is 
> disingenuous to say the least...


A very honest appraisal and well researched. Full marks.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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You may have missed this first time round:


The Exterminationist Guidebook -


Autumn 1995 Edition


Compiled by Alexander Baron



Published by Anglo-Hebrew Publishing


ISBN 1 898318 08 5

Copyright Alexander Baron, 1995.
 


The Exterminationist Guidebook - Autumn 1995 Edition

Preamble


This document is based on $The Revisionist Guidebook Summer  1995 
Edition$, a (supposedly) satirical posting to the Internet  news-
group alt.revisionism by one Michael Philips @igc.apc.org. It was 
posted  Wed,  19  Jul 1995 23:52:26 -0700  (PDT)  via  X-Gateway: 
notes@igc.apc.org.
   

The Exterminationist Guidebook

 
Hey  lurkers!  After browsing through alt.revisionism  posts  for 
awhile, you may already have figured out how to become an  Exter-
minationist.  It's easy. For those of you considering  denouncing 
Holocaust  Revisionism as part of your daily routine, be  assured 
that  it  requires no preparation or scholarly  research.  Simply 
follow  the  guidelines below, as  Exterminationist,  Jewish  and 
Zionist  and  "anti-fascist"  individuals  and  organisations  do 
everywhere.
 
1)  Always substitute ridicule for rationality,  and  speculation 
for  research. Say words to the effect that "No one could  invent 
such an enormous lie as the Revisionists postulate," conveniently 
forgetting  that the $Protocols Of Zion$ has been  denounced  re-
peatedly  as one of the greatest lies in history and that at  one 
time  it was said to have been the most widely read book  in  the 
world behind only that other enormous pack of lies, the $Bible$.
  Simply  follow in the footsteps of Tertullian who asserted,  "I 
believe because it is absurd". (1) When it is pointed out to  you 
that  your beliefs consist principally of unsubstantiated  asser-
tions,  discredited nonsense and propaganda churned out by  well-
funded, quasi-official anti-Nazi organisations during the  course 
of  the  most lie-ridden war in history, simply ignore  the  fact 
that  the  first casualty of war is always truth, or  claim  that 
this  applies  only  to the other side.  Better  still,  denounce 
anyone who has the temerity to question you, as an anti-Semite, a 
Nazi, a lunatic, or all three.
 
2) Don't cross reference your publications with citations, remem-
ber the words of the intellectual prostitute Richard Thurlow that 
the Revisionist Historian Antony Sutton "has developed a  $Proto-
cols$-style argument, complete with massive documentation..." Ie, 
the more documentation and evidence the Revisionists adduce,  the 
more fraudulent they are. (2)

3) Always claim that all eyewitness testimony of the Holocaust is 
credible,  sincere and adduced by totally  disinterested  parties 
who  had  no axe whatever to grind and would never  in  any  case 
dream  either of lying about the Nazis or exaggerating their  own 
suffering.
 
4) Claim that all documents that provide evidence of the  alleged 
Extermination Programme are genuine, even those that you admit in 
private  are forged, meaningless or have been tampered with.  (3) 
Quote  selectively, and claim simultaneously that a) the  alleged 
Extermination Programme was carried out in top secret and b) that 
the Nazi leadership's bellicose pronouncements against  Organised 
Jewry  were not mere wartime rhetoric but are proof  positive  of 
their genocidal intent. When someone points out that these  argu-
ments are mutually exclusive, smear them as anti-Semitic.
 
5)  Select  one or two colourful passages  (eg  smashing  babies' 
heads  against the wall, making soap from humans) from the  thou-
sands  of  eyewitness accounts of the Holocaust  and  claim  that 
these  are  not typical of the $proof$ adduced  for  the  alleged 
Extermination  Programme.  When challenged  to  produce  credible 
testimony, refer to passages in books by the likes of Kitty  Hart 
which  claim that prisoners organised concerts in the sauna,  and 
by  Rudolf  Vrba who claimed to have carried on an  illicit  love 
affair  in  the  mill of death, (4) but  omit  such  inconvenient 
testimonies  as the admissions made in $Fighting Auschwitz$  that 
many  people also escaped from the mill of death and that  not  a 
few  of them were released, in particular Gentile Poles  who  re-
nounced their Polish nationality and signed the $Volksliste$. (5)
  When  the  Revisionists claim that the testimonies  you  adduce 
contain no evidence of genocidal goings-on by the camp staff  and 
nothing  more  damning than the ordinary sorts  of  war-time  and 
prison  brutalities we have heard so much about from  all  modern 
conflicts and countless institutions, smear them as anti-Semitic.

6) Claim that the human soap stories that originated in Lublin in 
the early part of the war are false, but that later on the  Nazis 
really  did make soap out of corpses. (6) When  the  Revisionists 
challenge  these claims, point out that they have  been  reliably 
documented by the Soviets, who would never dream of lying to us. 
  When the London $Times$ of January 28, 1995 purported to reveal 
for  the  first  time that the Nazis  manufactured  soap  out  of 
"Jewish fat" which was scraped from the chimneys of the Auschwitz 
crematoria,  ignore  it, or, as the editor of  the  $Times$  did, 
simply  acknowledge  receipt of the current writer's  letter  and 
don't bother publishing any sort of retraction for this grotesque 
libel  on the German people; such apologies must be reserved  for 
the  likes  of Michael Jackson who dared to utter  the  far  more 
defamatory words "Jew me, sue me".
 
7)  At  all costs, avoid discussing any evidence  that  indicates 
that  the Nazis may not have exterminated Jews or anyone else  at 
Auschwitz, like the fact that many people were actually  released 
>from   the camp [see also 5) above], and that some of  them,  Jews 
included, appear to have more or less had the run of the camp  at 
the  same time they were allegedly being gassed. (7)  Ignore  too 
the fact that some Jews who were rounded up to be sent to  Ausch-
witz were returned home when their wives protested to the wicked, 
demonic  Nazis "Give us our husbands back." (8) In short,  ignore 
all  evidence that doesn't fit conveniently into  the  Extermina-
tionist paradigm.
 
8)  When  confronted with the evidence that  Himmler's  so-called 
secret speeches have been doctored, simply ignore it. (9)

9)  Conveniently ignore the fact that Professor Butz  and  others 
have  identified  named  individuals as the  originators  of  the 
alleged  gassing myth and alleged Extermination  Programme,  (10) 
and that indeed some major players have smugly admitted spreading 
lying  propaganda about the Nazis in the media and to the  world. 
(11) Rather, continue to perpetuate the lie that the Revisionists 
portray the alleged fabrication of the gassings as a 
fantastic plot by some mysterious, latter day Elders of Zion.

10) Use specious logic and blatantly dishonest arguments to smear 
all  Revisionists as anti-Semites, Nazis and cranks.  Claim  that 
the Revisionists' thesis is simply an update of the $Protocols Of 
Zion$;  (12)  claim that whenever they document the lies  of  any 
individual  Jew  or Jewish organisation they  are  accusing  "the 
Jews" of inventing the Holocaust.
 
11)  Argue that because when the Americans liberated  Dachau  and 
labelled a shower bath and a delousing chamber gas chambers,  and 
that  because arch-Zionist liars such as Arthur Suzman and  Denis 
Diamond  reproduce photographs of allegedly gassed corpses  which 
even the $Encyclopedia of the Holocaust$ denies were gassed, that 
this  proves that there were gas chambers in  Auschwitz-Birkenau. 
(13)  Ie, argue that because some gas chambers are  now  admitted 
never  to  have existed that all the others must have,  and  that 
anyone  who questions such specious logic is motivated  by  anti-
Semitism.

12) Argue to the lay public that the Revisionists claim that "gas 
used  to  kill Jews was really disinfectant" and that  "Jews  who 
died  in concentration camps did so as a result of diseases  such 
as typhus", conveniently forgetting that this is admitted in  the 
standard Exterminationist works on the Holocaust, and indeed  has 
never  been  disputed.  (14) Also, go to very  great  lengths  to 
confuse  the meaning of the word disinfectant, arguing that  Zyk-
lon-B  was really a fumigant and that their claim that it  was  a 
disinfectant proves that the Revisionists are ignorant as well as 
liars. 
  The  wailing  and gnashing of  teeth  Exterminationist  Deborah 
(there is no debate) Lipstadt makes this point in her  anti-Revi-
sionist polemic $Denying The Holocaust$. On page 225 she wilfully 
confuses  the  role of Zyklon-B claiming  that  the  Revisionists 
refer  to it as a disinfectant when in fact it is a fumigant;  on 
page 228 she repeats the claim that so-called deniers "[cling] to 
their  $morgue$ theory...[and that] the morgues were  disinfected 
with Zyklon-B." (15) Unfortunately for her, the leading  Extermi-
nationist  Gerald Reitlinger also refers to Zyklon-B as a  disin-
fectant. (16) All Lipstadt is doing here is playing at semantics; 
this  is  akin to calling a finch a sparrow when  one  is  really 
referring to a small bird.
 
13)  Here's  a classic: argue that the cavalier use of  the  word 
"extermination" by Organised Jewry throughout the Nazi era, right 
>from  when Hitler came to power, proves that the Nazis intended to 
exterminate  the Jews. Argue also that the meaning of  the  Final 
Solution  changed,  ie that the original policy of the  Nazis  of 
encouraging  Jews to emigrate was replaced by one to  exterminate 
them.  Conveniently overlook all facts which conflict  with  this 
hypothesis,  like the fact that at the start of the war,  persons 
of  Jewish origin were being called up for service, and  that  as 
late  as June 1940 it was claimed by the $Jewish Chronicle$  that 
the Nazis had ordered the execution of eighteen people for  anti-
Jewish excesses. (17)
  The  second  of these themes is far too well known  to  require 
documenting  here;  as soon as the Nazis came to power  they  set 
about  encouraging Jews to emigrate. However, the fact  that  the 
Nazis'  methods of encouragement involved the mass subversion  of 
individual  rights and the $Aryanisation$ of Jewish businesses  - 
among  other things - should not blind us to the fact that  there 
is  a vast gulf between "oppression" (18) and extermination.  For 
example,  many  leftists  believe that blacks  are  oppressed  in 
Britain simply by virtue of their being black, and that in  spite 
of  the fact that many of them are better off than  many  whites. 
(19)  But  even the loonies of the SWP would be hard  pressed  to 
claim  that  blacks are today being exterminated in  Britain,  or 
anywhere else. (20)
  When one reads Jewish publications for the Nazi era, one  finds 
the far too cavalier use of the word extermination, and  synonyms 
thereof.  The  current writer has had the  doubtful  pleasure  of 
having  read  every  issue of the  (quite  contemptible)  $Jewish 
Chronicle$  for  the  entire Nazi era; here are  a  few  selected 
quotes: $Polish Jewry's Grave Situation$, published in the  Febr-
uary  24, 1933 issue, page 7, referred to  "extermination".  Some 
Jews  in  Poland were said to be starving. In spite  of  all  the 
whining  and  wailing that went on at this period, a  reading  of 
this  paper  convinces  one that Organised Jewry  were  far  more 
concerned  with  the plight of their brethren in Poland  than  in 
Germany.
  A long article starting on page 14 of the April 28, 1933  issue 
was    entitled   $EXTERMINATING   GERMAN   JEWRY    NAZI    GRIP 
TIGHTENS...$This "extermination" was largely economic.
  Another lengthy article, this time beginning on page 10 of  the 
June 2, 1933 issue, bore a sub-heading $"ARYANS" STILL ARROGANT$, 
begins "There is as yet no sign of a change of heart in  Germany. 
Instead,  the machinery of extermination is being  tightened  and 
individual  persecution  goes  on unchecked." Is  it  really  the 
$Aryans$ who are arrogant?
  Yet another long article, this time starting on page 16 of  the 
August 11, 1933 issue reports on expulsions, and on page 17 it is 
asserted that a Nazi journal had called to "Exterminate  Them..." 
and had announced to the world that: "the Jewish Nation is of the 
devil.  It  is a nation of criminals and murderers, and  must  be 
exterminated from under the sun."
  If  this is true - and who but an anti-Semite would claim  that 
it  isn't? - then it was obviously 99% hot air, because the  fol-
lowing  week the same paper reported that the legal system  under 
this  supposed dictatorship was not totally subservient to  every 
whim of the Fuhrer, unless he was not quite the pathological Jew-
hater some people would have us believe. 
  On page 18 of the August 18 issue it was reported that a Labour 
Court in Berlin had upheld a complaint by an employee of a  Phar-
maceutical  Institute who was dismissed for being of Jewish  ori-
gin; this was one of a number of such cases.
  The February 9, 1934 issue, page 15, reported that a Jew carry-
ing a British passport was sentenced to two and a half years  for 
making  "contemptuous remarks about conditions in Germany."  Hmm, 
"Ve haff vays of making you laugh!" However, anyone who wishes to 
adduce  this  as proof positive of  the  outrageously  oppressive 
$Sonderbehandlung$  handed out to Jews will have to contend  with 
the  article that appeared on the previous page: $Fined  for  In-
sulting  a Jew$ reports that a National Socialist in Bavaria  had 
sent a Jewish lawyer an official communication addressed "To  the 
Jew lawyer." The Jew sued him and the man was fined 25 Marks! 
  Although  Auschwitz has long become synonymous with  extermina-
tions  in the public mind, gruesome stories had  been  associated 
with  the Nazi camps long before Auschwitz was even  thought  of. 
(21)  Another  long  article, this time in the  January  5,  1934 
issue, reported $GERMANY Nazis' Resolution for 1934 To  Eradicate 
German  Jewry Horrors of the Concentration Camps$. The  September 
15, 1933 issue reported in another long article on alleged  atro-
cities in concentration camps, among other things. Most interest-
ingly  though,  a  fortnight previously, the  September  1  issue 
reported  on an article $The Growing Torment of German  Jewry...$ 
that a Rumanian Jew had been sentenced to two years  imprisonment 
for  spreading false atrocity stories! One can only  wonder  what 
would have been the result if the Nazi regime had maintained this 
policy throughout the war period.
  Again,  it was not only the $Jewish Chronicle$ that whined  and 
wailed  about extermination. In its May 31, 1935 issue, page  52, 
the $American Hebrew$ announced $Nazis Exploit Zionism to  Liqui-
date Jews$. One wonders how this claim would go down with today's 
feisty Zionists. Finally, we should point out to the reader  that 
it  was  not  only the Nazis who  made  genocidal  pronouncements 
against  the Jews; in the immediate aftermath of the  World  War, 
the $American Hebrew$ for March 1, 1946, published an article  by 
Rabbi  Leon  Spitz: $GLAMOROUS PURIM FORMULA:  Exterminate  Anti-
Semitic  Termites As Our Ancestors Did 2,500 Ago$ which  implored 
its readers thus: "American Jews too must come to grips with  our 
contemporary  anti-Semites.  We must fill our  jails  with  anti-
Semitic  gangsters,  we must fill our insane asylums  with  anti-
Semitic lunatics..." The Rabbis advocates that his flock do  this 
to such an extent that no one will either wish or dare to  become 
fellow travellers. (Failing to realise of course that this  atti-
tude  will eventually persuade a large percentage of the  popula-
tion to become fellow travellers).

14)  Continually  associate any querying of the  motives  of  any 
individual Jew or Jewish organisation with vicious anti-Semitism. 
Pretty  sneaky, eh? Yes, it's dishonest, but in a desperate  ven-
ture  like Exterminationism, that shouldn't stop you,  [see  also 
10) above]. 
 
15) Argue that because the Holocaust Memorial Museum in  Washing-
ton  has a small model of a gas chamber this somehow proves  that 
large gas chambers existed during World War Two. 

16) If a quote doesn't suit you, remove the parts you don't like, 
thereby changing the meaning of the quote to support whatever  it 
is you want it to support. For example, conveniently forget  that 
Kurt  Gerstein  claimed that the Nazis  exterminated  25  million 
people  and  edit  that out of later versions  of  his  notorious 
statement.  (22) Quote part of Hitler's Reichstag speech of  Jan-
uary 30, 1939 thus "...IF THE INTERNATIONAL JEWISH FINANCIERS  IN 
AND  OUTSIDE EUROPE SHOULD SUCCEED IN PLUNGING THE  NATIONS  ONCE 
MORE INTO A WORLD WAR, THEN THE RESULT WILL NOT BE THE  BOLSHEVI-
ZATION  OF  THE  EARTH, AND THUS THE VICTORY OF  JEWRY,  BUT  THE 
ANNIHILATION  OF THE JEWISH RACE IN EUROPE!" and comment as  does 
Exterminationist  author  Ronnie  Landau, that  few  took  Hitler 
literally, neglecting to mention that as late as 1945, in another 
typically  bellicose  pronouncement, Hitler promised  to  destroy 
Jewish influence on the world scene "by more humane methods  than 
war." (23)

17)  State  that although Revisionists may profess  to  be  anti-
Zionist,  anti-Mossad, anti-AIPAC, etc, what they really  are  is 
anti-Semitic.  After  all,  only an anti-Semite  would  have  the 
temerity  to attack the Israeli government for shooting  Palesti-
nian  schoolchildren  - something the Nazis never did  to  Jewish 
kids in peacetime (24) - that only an anti-Semite would  question 
the  right  of  Zionist hit squads to  murder  alleged  political 
opponents  on  neutral soil, (25) and that  only  an  anti-Semite 
could  possibly  object  to  Zionist  organisations  successfully 
pressurising the US Government to adopt pro-Israel foreign  poli-
cies which have been nothing but disastrous to the West and which 
have  earned us the unconditional loathing of a significant  por-
tion of the Islamic world.
 
18) Ridicule the Revisionists' claims that a swimming pool  exis-
ted at Auschwitz, but admit later that it did. (26)
 
19) Maintain that the Holocaust is holy writ, that it is in  fact 
an article of faith. Praise the venality of the French historians 
who issued the following statement in 1979: (27)

$The Hitler Policy of Extermination: A Declaration by the Histor-
ians$

"It is not necessary to ask oneself how, technically, such a mass 
murder was possible. It was possible technically because it  took 
place...there  is not, there cannot be, any debate on  the  exis-
tence of the gas chambers." (28)

  Then,  a  mere six years later, eat your words when  a  leading 
Exterminationist  and anti-Revisionist polemicist admitted  that: 
"The  executor of this task was the camp commandant,  SS  Captain 
Josef  Kramer. The way in which he gassed a number of people,  as 
confessed  by  him on the 26 July 1945 to Major Jadin  cannot  be 
considered credible. He would have ended up gassing himself." And 
that  "Because  of the absurdity of this modus operandi  and  his 
ignorance  about the substances involved, some  quite  legitimate 
historical suspicion has weighed on the procedure and on the very 
existence of the gas chamber at Struthof." (29)
  Never though for one moment concede that any Revisionist  could 
ever have any legitimate historical suspicion about any aspect of 
the alleged Extermination Programme. 
20) Although all of your arguments will be consistently blown  to 
smithereens, keep repeating them on the grounds that most  people 
are  unaware  of the psychology of the Big Lie,  that  mud  often 
sticks, and that very few people will want to challenge even your 
wildest  ravings  if you keep repeating them for  fear  of  being 
branded anti-Semitic.
 
21)  Remember  that  the Exterminationist  community  is  peopled 
mainly by 1) Jews (many of whom find it very difficult to discuss 
this subject rationally, and some of whom refuse to discuss it at 
all);  2)  liberal creeps like Roger Eatwell who wrote  an  essay 
attacking the propaganda of the so-called Holocaust Denial  move-
ment  and ended up admitting that the Exterminationist lobby  has 
lied through its teeth; (30) 3) professional "anti-fascists"  who 
very  obligingly suppress the dissemination of Revisionist  ideas 
and have never been squeamish about using illegal or even violent 
methods  on the grounds that the means justifies the end, if  the 
end  is  smashing  anyone who doesn't  share  their  collectivist 
ideology.


Notes And References


(1)  A well-known quote but taken here from  $the  Transcendental 
Temptation:  A Critique of Religion and the Paranormal$, by  Paul 
Kurtz,  published by Prometheus Book, Buffalo, New York,  (1991), 
page  108.  Kurtz  is a respected  atheist  philosopher  and  the 
world's  leading publisher of skeptical books. Ironically, he  is 
an  uncritical  believer in the Holocaust, due primarily  to  his 
having  been involved in the liberation of Dachau and failing  to 
apply  his oft' professed skeptical and critical  methodology  to 
his  own personal experiences. His company has  even  republished 
the bogus memoirs of Rudolph Hoess.
(2) In an article $the powers of darkness: conspiracy belief  and 
political  strategy$, by Richard C. Thurlow, published  in  $Pat-
terns Of Prejudice$, Nov.-Dec. 1978, Volume 12 Number 6, pages 1-
12  and  23. This quote appears on page 6.  Incidentally,  by  no 
means  all  Revisionist Historians  are  Holocaust  Revisionists, 
including  Sutton  (but only because he hasn't  studied  the  so-
called  Final Solution in all but the most  superficial  manner). 
Sutton's  name  became  taboo because he was  foolish  enough  to 
attack  another - and even bigger lie - that the Capitalist  West 
has  been  hostile  to the survival of world  communism.  In  his 
mammoth three volume work $Western Technology And Soviet Economic 
Development$ and related studies, Sutton proves that the  Soviets 
have been nurtured by the West from the Bolshevik Revolution down 
to the present day. 
(3)  See in particular $The men who whitewash Hitler$,  published 
in the $New Statesman$, by Gitta Sereny, November 2, 1979,  pages 
670-3; and the essay $The Holocaust Denial: a Study in Propaganda 
Technique$,  by  Roger  Eatwell,  in  the  book  $Neo-Fascism  in 
Europe$, Edited by Luciano Cheles, Ronnie Ferguson and  Michalina 
Vaughan, published by Longman, London and New York, (1991). 
(4)  On  page 188 of $I Cannot Forgive$, his  1964  ghost-written 
Hun-hating  novel disguised as an autobiography,  this  arch-liar 
produces the following dialogue: "'Rudi,' she said softly,  'look 
at  me.' Slowly I turned and looked at her. She was curled up  on 
the bed now and I do not think I have ever seen anyone lovelier."
"'You smell so beautiful,' I whispered, stupidly, aimlessly. 'Why 
do you smell so beautiful?'...
'Soap, darling,' she murmurred. 'Just soap.'"
  Retired  judge Wilhelm Staeglich comments that "Many a  soldier 
at  the  front,  or munitions worker in one of  the  many  German 
cities  that each night found themselves under a shower of  bombs 
>from  Allied terror bombers, would gladly have traded places  with 
the Auschwitz inmate Vrba!"
(5)  $FIGHTING AUSCHWITZ: THE RESISTANCE MOVEMENT IN THE  CONCEN-
TRATION CAMP$, by Jozef Garlinski, published by Julian Friedmann, 
London, (1975). On page 2 of the $FOREWORD$ by M.R.D. Foot it  is 
reported  that "over six hundred escapers are recorded,  of  whom 
about a third got away." On page 53 it is claimed that a man  who 
was  scheduled for execution agreed to sign the $Volksliste$,  ie 
to  enlist in the Wehrmacht, and was released. A footnote on  the 
same page claims that "Thousands of prisoners could have got  out 
of the camp if they had been willing to sign the $Volksliste$ and 
enlist  in the $Wehrmacht$...Signing the $Volksliste$ meant  that 
the  person  involved accepted that he ceased to be  a  Pole  and 
became a German." So much for the Nazis' Master Race theories!
(6)  According to Raul Hilberg's 1961 study $The  Destruction  Of 
The  European Jews$ (page 470), the human soap rumour was  common 
currency  in  Slovakia as early as July 1942, and  at  Lublin  in 
October 1942, where it probably originated. In a personal  commu-
nication  dated July 6, 1995, Professor Yehuda Bauer stated  that 
"there was indeed an experimental production of soap and/or other 
products  from  the bodies of mainly, Polish  and  other  Eastern 
slave-workers...the testimonies relate to the last months of  the 
war..."  In  reality,  this is rehashed World  War  One  atrocity 
propaganda.
(7)  In  his  book $Auschwitz: A Judge Looks  At  The  Evidence$, 
Wilhelm  Staeglich makes this point about the testimony of  Kitty 
Hart.
(8) The $Independent$ newspaper, March 1, 1993, page 9,  reported 
that  in 1943, 25 men were brought back from Auschwitz and up  to 
2,000  released from detention when hundreds of women defied  the 
Nazis and marched outside a deportation centre shouting "Give  us 
our husbands back". 
(9)  Himmler is also said by Rudolph Vrba to have visited  Ausch-
witz in January 1943, [$I Cannot Forgive$, pages 15-8, (op cit)]; 
according to Staeglich, this visit never happened.
(10) Professor Butz identifies Rabbi Michael Dov Ber  Weissmandel 
as the prime mover, [$The Hoax Of The Twentieth Century$, by A.R. 
Butz,  published  by Historical Review Press,  Brighton,  Sussex, 
Second  Edition,  (1977), page 95]. The current writer  does  not 
agree  with this and believes that the Polish Underground  had  a 
lot to do with it, (there is much documentation to this  effect), 
and that later the story assumed a life of its own.
(11)   In  the  second  volume  of  his   autobiography   [$Black 
Boomerang$,  Secker & Warburg, London, (1962)],  the  Australian-
born  British  anti-Nazi  propagandist  Sefton  Delmer  (1904-79) 
boasted   that his Psychological Warfare Department  had  planted 
fake stories in newspapers, and that "When we learned that  fami-
lies  bombed out during the 'Terror Raids' on Hamburg were  being 
evacuated to Eastern areas such as Poland, Slovakia and Ruthenia, 
we reported the epidemics of typhoid and cholera allegedly raging 
in those areas." It is surely but one small step from reporting a 
fake typhus epidemic to reporting a fake Extermination Programme.
(12)  One Jewish "academic" actually wrote a book on this  theme: 
$The Holocaust Denial: Antisemitism, Racism & the New Right$,  by 
Gill  Seidel,  published by Beyond the  Pale  Collective,  Leeds, 
(1986),  claims that so-called Holocaust Denial is simply  a  new 
version of the $Protocols$. There are no less than 13 entries for 
the $Protocols$ in the index; the author is so far off her  trol-
ley  that  she  even brands the anti-Zionist  Jew  Lenni  Brenner 
"virulently" anti-Semitic.
(13)  The $ENCYCLOPEDIA of the HOLOCAUST$ claims under the  entry 
for  $Denial$ that "...when some witnesses let their  imagination 
run free and incorrectly claim that the DACHAU concentration camp 
had working gas chambers, the revisionists pounce on this discre-
pancy..."
  On page 122 of the Second Edition of Suzman and Diamond's  book 
$Six Million Did Die$, is a photograph captioned "Victims of  the 
Dachau gas chamber lie piled to the ceiling in the crematorium."
(14)  This claim appears in the pamphlet $HOLOCAUST  DENIAL:  THE 
NEW NAZI LIE$, published by the Anti Nazi League, London, (1993). 
The most sickening thing about this slim anti-Nazi polemic is not 
that  it is full of distortions, misrepresentations and  outright 
lies  but  that it is endorsed by  two  leading  Exterminationist 
academics:  the  honest sap Martin Gilbert and  the  intellectual 
prostitute David Cesarani, Director of the Wiener Library.
(15)  $DENYING  the HOLOCAUST: The Growing Assault on  Truth  and 
Memory$, by Deborah E. Lipstadt, published by the Free Press, New 
York, (1993).
(16) $THE SS: ALIBI OF A NATION 1922-1945$, by Gerald Reitlinger, 
published  by William Heinemann, London, (1956). There is  but  a 
single  entry in the index of this book for Zyklon B,  (sans  hy-
phen!);  on page 285, the author refers to it as  a  disinfectant 
gas!
(17)  The  June  7, 1940 issue, page 10, reports  that  the  Nazi 
authorities issued an order making Jews living in Germany  liable 
for  military  service.  The official Nazi  wireless  station  in 
Brussels  announced that 14 Belgian Nazis and 4  German  soldiers 
were  to  be executed as a means of stopping  uncontrolled  anti-
Jewish excesses. "The Nazis are nothing if not methodical."
  The  reader is also referred to the March 28, 1941 issue,  page 
15,  which reports in an article called $GERMANY CALLS  UP  HALF-
JEWS$ that "Half-Jews" and men up to age 55 were to be called  up 
for military service, and that this included a number of  German-
Jewish scientists released from internment camps for consultation 
purposes. Also to the April 25, 1941 issue, page 1, which  repor-
ted $200,000 GERMAN WOUNDED Jewish Doctors Called In$.
(18)  I  don't like that word because of its left  wing  connota-
tions.
(19)  One thinks immediately of professional - and nowadays  even 
amateur - sportsmen.
(20) Except Rwanda!
(21)  The first transport arrived at Auschwitz on June 14,  1940; 
"this  date is accepted as the official beginning of  the  camp", 
[Garlinski, $Fighting Auschwitz$, page 16, (op cit)].
(22) The full Gerstein statement is reproduced by Butz as $Appen-
dix  A$ of $The Hoax Of The Twentieth Century$, (op cit).  A  wa-
tered  down (but still ludicrous) version appeared  in  $Appendix 
Two$ of Vrba, $I Cannot Forgive$, (op cit).
(23)  Staeglich  devotes a great deal of space to  this  sort  of 
twisted  logic in his book $Auschwitz: A Judge Looks At The  Evi-
dence$,  (op cit). He refutes them all. Whatever, these  sort  of 
pronouncements were clearly rhetoric and are no more to be  taken 
seriously than the following: "We murdered the Yids!" [Manchester 
United 4: Tottenham Hotspur 0].
(24) In May 1993, the human rights organisation Amnesty  Interna-
tional issued a press release which revealed that since  December 
1992, more than 100 Palestinians had been shot and killed by  the 
Israeli  security forces, thirty of them under the age of  seven-
teen. These included Rana Abu Tuyur, an 11 year old girl, who was 
murdered on her way to buy milk on 19th December 1992. Maher  al-
Maja' idah, aged 8, who was murdered on 20th March 1993, and  Ra' 
edah al-Qarra, a 13 year old girl, who was murdered on 8th  April 
1993. However much Organised Jewry and the rest of the Extermina-
tionist  crowd  may yowl and scream about ant-Semitism, it  is  a 
documented  fact  that  in the final analysis  even  they  cannot 
refute,  that  the Nazis never did anything like  this  prior  to 
World War Two.
(25)  Perhaps the most outrageous case of this was the July  1973 
murder of a Moroccan waiter in the Norwegian town of Lillehammer; 
the only crime Ahmed Bouchiki was ever guilty of was being mista-
ken for Ali Hassan Salameh, a Black September terrorist. [See for 
example $ISRAEL'S SECRET WARS: A History of Israel's Intelligence 
Services$  by  Ian Black and Benny Morris, published  by  Futura, 
London, (1992), pages 275-6.
(26)  In June 1995, an interview with the Jewish Holocaust  Revi-
sionist  David  Cole was posted to the  Internet  alt.revisionism 
newsgroup.  Cole  made an excellent point about this  (and  about 
many other issues): "This is a standard anti-revisionist  tactic. 
When  a  revisionist points ANYTHING out, the first  response  is 
simply  to  DENY what he' [sic] saying. He's  lying.  It  doesn't 
matter if it's REALLY known whether he' [sic] lying or not.  It's 
just  STRATEGICALLY the best way to deal with revisionists.  Just 
accuse them of lying. THEN, if the thing that the revisionist was 
pointing  out becomes adopted as part of the  standard  Holocaust 
line, the tactic CHANGES (out of necessity) to sure the revision-
ist  is right about this ONE LITTLE TINY POINT - but it makes  no 
difference - he's still wrong about everything else!
  "This  was  the tactic with the Auschwitz  swimming  pool.  The 
first responses were there is no pool. Then, when it became clear 
that there WAS one, it became sure there is, but so what? It's an 
irrelevant point. The same pattern occured [sic] with the delous-
ing  chambers. First it was denied that Zyklon was actually  used 
for delousing in the camps. Revisionists were actually  RIDICULED 
for  saying so. Then, after Pressac, it became okay, sure,  there 
were  delousing chambers - but so what? We see the  same  pattern 
with the human soap, the Dachau gas chamber, the reduction of the 
Auschwitz  death toll (something that revisionists  were  talking 
about  while Yehuda Bauer was still going through  puberty),  and 
many  other things. The rule of thumb for those who battle  revi-
sionists: DENY first. Throw around the word liar like a football. 
Then  sit back and hope that everyone believes you and the  revi-
sionist  goes  away or is put in jail or beaten up.  But  if  the 
worst happens, and the revisionist is proven right, just  pretend 
that you ALWAYS knew the truth of what he's been saying, and make 
sure  that everyone understands that the revisionist is  STILL  a 
liar about everything else!"
(27)  The Exterminationist Lucy Dawidowicz actually praised  this 
incredibly venal statement in an error-prone, lie-ridden  article 
called  $Lies  About the Holocaust$, which was published  in  the 
American Jewish monthly $Commentary$, December 1980, pages 31-7.
(28)  This statement first appeared in the French  newspaper  $Le 
Monde$,  February 21, 1979. This is obviously a translation  -  I 
have  seen several slightly different translations - this one  is 
taken from $The "Confessions" of Kurt Gerstein$, by Henri Roques, 
published  by  the Institute for Historical Review,  Costa  Mesa, 
California, (1989). The above quote appears on page 15.
(29)  $THE  STRUTHOF ALBUM...A photographic document$,  by  Jean-
Claude Pressac, Edited by Serge Klarsfeld, published by the Beate 
Klarsfeld  Foundation,  New  York, (1985). From  page  5  of  the 
$INTRODUCTION$.
(30) Eatwell, $The Holocaust Denial: a Study in Propaganda  Tech-
nique$, (op cit).

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4cfvgl$1tc@sulla.cyberstore.ca>
           larry@furble.signs.eh "Larry Phillips" writes:

> In article <4c9qg3$4l3@newsbf02.news.aol.com>,
>         dbtgthomas@aol.com (DbtgThomas) writes:
> 
> >  Even a poor drug-besotted piece of human
> >flotsam like Rodney King can see the danger and be eventually moved to
> >blurt out a bit of wisdom - "Can't we all just get along?"  You don't have
> >to like me, and you don't have to agree with me, but you sure as hell
> 
> That's not wisdom. That's a whine.
> 
> Effectively, he is bemoaning the fact that he cannot shoot up or
> drink himself silly, then endanger folks on the road.

And then commit criminal damage on police officers' truncheons by battering
them with his head. It's a pity it wasn't you in that car.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> But let's give Baron the benefit of the doubt - maybe he doesn't
> really believe what he wrote, but is just trying to win back
> Griswold's affection. 

I believe EVERY word of it, you moron. King was a notorious plagiarist,
an adulterer and a scumbag. And he did F all for the black man.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
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In article <4cgad0$1nve@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:

> I note also that you have previously claimed that Hart could not have
> seen such a procedure from the women's camp. True enough. But Hart was
> not in the women's camp at the time but assigned to the property
> office or Kanada Kommando.

Believe it or not, Hart's Canada testimony is regarded by some as the BEST
evidence. My most charitable assessment of Kitty Hart is that as a young,
impressionable girl of 14 or so when she was deported in 1942, she had a
rough time and heard some horrible things. I don't doubt that she suffered,
and I certainly wouldn't trade places with her. But just because people have
suffered doesn't mean that we must suspend our critical faculties for fear
of offending them. Or being smeared as anti-Semitic.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4cfkab$r6d@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:

>         In other words armed vigilantes will round up the foriegn element
> and pack them off to concentration camps. "A rose is a rose is a rose is a
> rose. . . ."

Just like tha army did in Israel. But who five a fuck about 412 Arabs?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: A Revisionist History of Civil Rights
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In article <4cflmn$i2i@nimitz.fibr.net> hmazal@txdirect.net,  writes:

> For an alduterine, Mr. Baron certainly has harsh words for Dr. King.  What 
> is more, Mr. Baron has admitted to having relationships with a number of
> females (not all white he adds).  

Wash your mouth out; can't you think of women without thinking of sex? I do 
admit that I kissed two Chinese girls in Trafalgar Square this New Years Eve,
but all I said was that a number of women - not all of them white - would laugh
in your face if you tried to convince them that I was either a homosexual or
a mysoginist, as some of the sickos in this newsgroup have suggested.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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Confirmation that Rabbi "REAL JEW" Goldstein does exist can be obtained from
the Central Rabbinical Congress of the USA and Canada of 85 Division Avenue,
Brooklyn.

It was this organisation which published an op-ed in the New York Times of
February 6, 1994 condemning the Master Race philosophy of political Zionism.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article <4cerbs$h8n@curly.cc.emory.edu>
           libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu "william c anderson" writes:

> 
> Really?  The biggest plagiarist in American history?  That's quite a 
> claim.  What I've read is that he may have lifted some sections of his
> PhD thesis; I haven't seen any firm evidence even of that.  

Then you haven't looked very hard; there is a book on this, there was a lengthy
review of it in American Renaissance, and Laird Wilcox - hardly a typical
Nazi - has documented this thoroughly. King's thesis was virtually a carbon
copy.

> : and by your own account a notorious adulterer. 
> 
> Dr. King, by all reports, had flaws in his character--as do all of us.
> The good he did, and his wisdom and courage in doing it, more than make
> up for those flaws.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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Subject: Re: More Treason from Kleim
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In article 
           bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA "Les Griswold" writes:
> I've met the author; have you?

Les, you are behaving exactly the way Zionist hatemongers WANT "Nazis" to 
behave.
>  
> > As someone who has published a documented expose of a Zionist-inspired agent
> > provocateur I know what I'm talking about. Also whatever certain creeps have
> > posted about me in this group I am neither a Nazi or an anti-Semite.
> 
> Alex, 

Please don't EVER call me Alex.

I've never denied that there are Zionist-inspired agents provocateur, but 
> what I'm saying is, not every White Nationalist is an ADL mole.  You owe Milton 
> a big apology for the sheer stupidity of your statement.  (in case you've 
> forgotten, that's the one where you asked him if he worked for the ADL because 
> he wasn't ready to jump up and down and criticize _The Turner Diaries_)

Again, the only people who profit from trash like The Turner Diaries and its
sequel Hunter are the people who hate every race but one - like Yale; and
the socialist international. Wake up. What do you think Hitler would have 
thought of it?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Fri Jan  5 14:26:24 PST 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Selective truths about Civil "Rights"
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In article <4cfmji$r6d@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:
>         You seem to forget that the anti-Semitic tract in question -- which
> included your appeal for funds was posted here.  It explained a lot.  I
> realize that you find it strange that victims of an attempted confidence game
> should fight back.  In that you are alone.

There is nothing "Anti-Semitic" about it you slimeball; it had the approval of
two Rabbis, one of who distributed a few copies. This shows what sort of slime
Jewish leaders and fanatics (like you) are that you'd smear anyone as an 
anti-Semite who asked Jews not to subsidise the murderers of children. The 
greatest irony of all is that in 1995 a Jewess had a letter published in
the Jewish Chronicle in which she urged Jews not to send money to Israel
until the government stopped shooting suspected terrorists. No one called
her an anti-Semite.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: A Revisionist History of Civil Rights
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In article <4cg8dc$1nve@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:

> 
> I was actually thinking of your response to Gord McFee's statement
> that the historicity of the Holocaust is more than amply proved by
> documentary sources and would be if there were no survivors' memoirs
> at all. You seemed to be claiming that the *documentary* evidence
> supported the Revisionist case. Again I ask: example?

I've just finished reading Arno Mayer and that man is obviously a frustrated
Revisionist.


pages 451-2: he refers to Exterminationists and Revisionists as dogmatists and 
skeptics and says both Exterminationists and Revisionists affirm rather 
than closely examine and substantiate their respective positions but adds that
to some extent the Nazis succeeded in covering up and destroying much of the 
evidence of their worst crime against the Jews and that "the dogmatists feel 
driven to press the relatively few currently available sources, including 
the recollections of eyewitnesses and survivors, for corroborating evidence, 
and they tend to do so without evaluating their data with sufficient care." 
This is as good an admission that there is precious little evidence of an 
extermination programme.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Who was Marcus Ravage, and what was _Century_ Magazine?
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In article <4cfdvm$pks@access1.digex.net>
           mstein@access1.digex.net "Michael P. Stein" writes:
>     Based on the LC catalog, it does appear to be a genuine article
> (antisemitic forgeries have appeared before; Al Baron has commented on
> them).  However, I am not sure you're interpreting its intent correctly.  
> Again, where did you run across this, since I doubt you have sixty-eight 
> year old issues of _Century_ lying around your house?

I believe this is a genuine quote; Jews have always been their own worst
enemy, as anyone foraging in this newsgroup will soon realise. There have
also been a number of Jewish-born anti-Semitic propagandists, including the
rabidly anti-Semitic nutter Ben Klassen and Frank Collin, the leader of the 
American Nazi Party.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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Confirmation that Rabbi "REAL JEW" Goldstein does exist can be obtained from
the Central Rabbinical Congress of the USA and Canada of 85 Division Avenue,
Brooklyn.

It was this organisation which published an op-ed in the New York Times of
February 6, 1994 condemning the Master Race philosophy of political Zionism.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4ceuv2$lap@shiva.usa.net> hkatz@earth.usa.net "Harry Katz" writes:

> Including threats to kill Jews!  And such threats cannot be taken
> lightly, given the other heinous activities that Mr. KT lists.
> 

What about direct incitements to murder policemen? They don't count,
Harry Katz.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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Subject: Re: Baron, Oprah, and Ritual Murder
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In article 
           mvanalst@rbi.com "Mark Van Alstine" writes:

> How cheesy. Al, What does "might live to regret because" mean, exactly?
> Are you making _threatening_ me, Al? 

What I'm saying is that my views on this matter are published and in the 
public domain, and if you keep accusing me of endorsing ritual murder
propaganda and somebody takes the trouble to dig out my treatise you will
be left with egg all over your stupid face.


> I also find it amazing how at how you've suddenly "regained" your memory
> about this anti-Semitic pamphlet. When I asked you privately about it a
> while back you had a definite lapse in memory regarding it. You're
> pathetic, Al. Pathetic. 

What anti-Semitic pamphlet is that?


> Al, either you are going senile or you can't read properly. Or both. Or
> maybe you have the chutzpah to believe people would buy such a stupid and
> disingenous "argument?" FYI, Al, "Rachel" claimed that within her _own_
> family these alleged ritual sacrifices went all the way back to the 1700s.
> She also stated "[t]here's other Jewish families across the country" not
> just her own familiy that are involved in these allegded ritual
> sacrifices. How is _that_ an "isolated case?"

So what you're saying is that if people make outrageous claims that allegedly
date back hundreds of years, they must be true.
 
> Furthermore, if Hart claimed thousands of children were burned alive at
> Auschwitz what is the problem with such a claim? Such claims have been
> corroberated by _other_ testimony. 

No, they haven't.


> What is interesting about this (above) line of reasoning is that _you_ use
> the argument of the case being "thoroughly documented" to show that "often
> the truth is stranger than fiction" yet when essentially the very same
> reasoning is used to show that the _very_ "thoroughly documented"
> Holocaust happened, and that events in it specifically happened, and that
> these events _are_ a horrific truth that is stranger than fiction, _you_
> refuse such reasoning. That, Al, is called a double standard. It is also
> called hypocrisy.  

No, there is a big difference between extensive documentation and widely 
repeated lies.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Al Baron and Centerprise
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In article 
           cendbj@bonaly.hw.ac.uk "David Johnston" writes:

You claim 
> that there is a direct incitement to murder Michael Portillo. If that is so, 
> why do you not provide one shred of evidence to back this up?

Why don't you write to Michael Portillo and ask him about the photocopy I 
sent him?
> 
> >Re "Green Anarchist", it is true that this is a review, 
> 
> Indeed it is, and this is the crux of the matter. You claimed that an 
> issue of Green Anarchist supported the theory that Humans should be killed. 
> Your own "proof" of this shows us that it didn't. You lied.  


No, no, no! To begin with the review of this book is favourable: read it again.
Furthermore, have you forgotten about anti-police article? "Up against racist
cops..."

> Again, no quote, just a bald statement (Tyndall is the ex leader of the 
> National Front and a leading British Neo-Nazi, for those who don't know). 

He is the Fuhrer of the British National Party. Go and look it up.

> 
> >Green Anarchist
> >have actually been raided by the police; there was an article in the Guardian
> >about it some time ago.
> 
> And? What for? Was any action taken? 

Seizing "literature". As I state in the pamphlet, prosecutions for this sort
of genuine hate literature are few and far between because they would embarrass
the police and the judiciary. Contrast that to the hassle Colin Jordan and Lady
Birdwood received for publishing their cranky material which in 99% of cases
goes straight in the bin.

 
> You really don't get it, do you Al? I'm not remotely concerned with a defence 
> of Class War or Green Anarchist

Thank you.

> You constantly lie, distort and misquote.

Not true. It really amazes me the number of times you people use the word liar
when you know damned well I have not lied. I said that I had found a registered
charity that was stocking hate literature which contains direct incitements to
murder named individuals. Class War is a notorious publication; this shop
also stocks the pro-IRA Red Action. Where is the lie, where is the misquote?



-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

>You want to see a little, frustrated
> scumbag, then look in the mirror.

You speak from experience of course.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4ckkur$h15@amhux3.amherst.edu>
           jaklein@unix.amherst.edu "Josh Klein" writes:

> 
> > general. That's fine with me, they stood up to be counted when it mattered.
> > Where were you after Hebron Mr liberal philosopher Klein?
> 
> I condemned the massacre, as I have condemned other acts of violence
> against Palestinians.  The Israeli Prime Minister and Knesset
> also condemned the massacre.  The American Jewish Congress condemned
> the massacre.  So what's your point?

The point is that when I condemned Zionist atrocities the slime at Woburn
House tried to have me dragged into court, that's what. But like I said 
Josh, I don't tar you with the same brush as Organised Jewry; your fault
is that you know what these people are like - as you've admitted to me in
private mail - but refuse to see their scheming in other fields.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: More Treason from Kleim
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In article 
           mvanalst@rbi.com "Mark Van Alstine" writes:
> 
> Al, what makes you say that Yale "hate[s] every race but one?" By the
> simple fact that he has taken _you_ to task by exposing your lies?

No he hasn't, he has traduced my writings and lied about me.

> Do you consider National Socialism, white supremicism, and
> anti-Semitism "races, Al" (That's odd, I thought they were _ideologies_!) 

National Socialism has nothing to do with white supremacy; the real, indeed
the only threat of National Socialism is that it concentrated the power of 
government in the Executive, the same as socialism does. Ie it is a form of
collectivism, although the lesser of two very great evils.


> As for the _Turner diaries_? You _must be kidding! He'd propably
> _enshrine_ the damn thing. 

That shows how little you know about Hitler, but as most of your "information"
on him comes from people who hate him - with good reason - that's hardly
surprising.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: jail sentences and holocaust denial
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In article <4cjvt2$et1@access5.digex.net>
           mstein@access5.digex.net "Michael P. Stein" writes:

> Quite aside from the principal objection that it a
> violation of their rights, it doesn't even achieve its intended goal.

Which is?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Mr. Baron educates me! (was: More Treason from Kleim)
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In article 
           bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA "Les Griswold" writes:
> > Les, you are behaving exactly the way Zionist hatemongers WANT "Nazis" to 
> > behave.
> 
> Which is how, exactly?  

Like anti-black bigots and psychos? Have you read - probably not - BEHIND 
COMMUNISM by Frank Britton? He makes a lot of mistakes but his section on
Hollywood and race is very good.

>I don't like jews, and I don't make any bones
> about it.  Nor do I go through the tortured self-delusions of "Zionist"
> jews and "nice" jews.

Of course, any black man could say the same, that he didn't see any difference
between slave traders and abolitionists and so on.
   
> > Please don't EVER call me Alex.
> 
> Why not?

Because I don't fucking like it.

> > I've never denied that there are Zionist-inspired agents provocateur, but 
> >> what I'm saying is, not every White Nationalist is an ADL mole. 

People who advocate mass murder are not white or any sort of nationalists.

 You owe
>  Milton 
> >> a big apology for the sheer stupidity of your statement.  (in case you've 
> >> forgotten, that's the one where you asked him if he worked for the ADL
>  because 
> >> he wasn't ready to jump up and down and criticize _The Turner Diaries_)

I repeat, anyone who condones The Turner Diaries is doing a great job for
Imperial Zion and all the other enemies of humanity out there. 


> I think Hitler would have rather liked _The Turner Diaries)

Bollocks.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: A Revisionist History of Civil Rights
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In article <4cmq8d$29e2@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>
           gmcfee@ibm.net "Gord McFee" writes:

> I seriously doubt that anyone would cite Mayer to support the revisionist
> case, unless that person had not read Mayer at all.  

It's there in black and white, he says that most of the "evidence" was 
destroyed; ie he simply assumes it existed in the first place.

>The book is replete
> with innumerable citations about the extermination of the Jews. 

But no footnotes, unfortunately

> He holds
> revisionists (deniers) in contempt.  

That is his problem; perhaps he should consult a psychiatrist on this score,
I merely commented on the fact that his book is far more honest than most;
he says a lot of the things the Revisionists say but indirectly.

In fact, he is a revisionist himself--a
> legitimate one.  He does not deny the *fact* of the Holocaust, he only
> questions its genesis.  BTW, Al, Professor Mayer is a Jew, whose grandfather
> died at Theriesenstadt in 1943, but of course, you already knew that, since
> you have rad the book so thoroughly.

Yes, I read the introduction very thoroughly. I know he's a Jew; he also 
happens to be an honest one. Unlike many in this newsgroup.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4cnceg$4jem@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>
           gmcfee@ibm.net "Gord McFee" writes:

> What is the relevance of their names?  Why won't you answer the question I
> have put to you twice now?

You cite as evidence the  alleged testimonies of two unnamed SS men. If I did
that you'd scream blue murder.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article 
           mkelley@U.Arizona.EDU "Marty Kelley" writes:
> To further clarify Mr. Bacon's comments, I would add that the shower 
> heads in the gas chambers weren't even connected to anything--captured 
> Nazi documents include the purchase forms for shower heads to be 
> installed in the Kremas (but not for water pipes), and the blueprints 
> for the Krema buildings show no piping for showers.
> 

In which Moscow archive were these "found", and when?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Baron, Oprah, and Ritual Murder
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In article 
           mvanalst@rbi.com "Mark Van Alstine" writes:
> > What anti-Semitic pamphlet is that?
> 
> The one your article was taken from. The one that the "gullible" Lady
> Birdwood made photocopies from and gave to you. The one, when I asked you
> in private e-mail where it came from, you replied that you couldn't
> remember precisely but that it was some anti-Semitic rag here in the
> States. Does that ring a bell yet, Al?

Oh, I thought you were referring to one of mine. I thought I posted that 
this was probably from Christian Vanguard newspaper.

> > The fact that this is an alleged isolated case whereas Hart claims this 
> > happened on a massive scale, babies in the bonfire and sucking nipples in
> > the gas chamber included.
> 
> You made the assertion that  "Rachel's" claims is an isolated case. How
> could that be if, as I pointed oout (above), she claims knowledge of this
> happening in her family for the last 200 years and that she knows of other
> cases across the country? 
> 
> > > Furthermore, if Hart claimed thousands of children were burned alive at
> > > Auschwitz what is the problem with such a claim? Such claims have been
> > > corroberated by _other_ testimony. 
> > 
> > No, they haven't.
> 
> Have you been ckecked for Alzheimer's, Al? If not, you might consider it.
> According an exchange between Prosecutor Smirnov and Witness S.
> Smaglewska, before the International Military Tribunal at Nuremberg in
> 1946, children _were_ thrown alive into the crematorium furnaces. Are you
> saying that this testiomy did not take place? Or that Smaglewska did not
> testify that: 

I have read her "testimony" and it is no more believable than Harts'. Or have
you forgotten what she says about pregnant women? This is atrocity propaganda,
pure and simple.

> 
> "When the extermination of the Jews in the gas chambers was at its height,
> orders were issued that children were to be thrown straight into the
> crematorium furnaces, or into a pit near the crematorium, without being
> gassed first....They threw them in alive. Their screams could be heard at
> the camp. It is difficult to say how many children were destroyed in this
> way....Those of us prisoners who tried to keep a check on the number of
> children gassed had no means of judging except by the number of prams
> brought into the store-room. Sometimes there were a hundred, sometimes
> even as many as a thousand." 

Bullshit, all of it. Did these perambulators come in the crowded wagons with
the transports? This is pure fantasy.

> Exactly. Which is why I have asked _you_ to provide documentation to
> support your "opinions." That way it may tell us if such stories as
> "Rachel's" are anti-Semitc lies or not. Or that if Hart's recollection is
> baseless or not. 

Rachel was not an anti-Semite; she was obviously mentally ill in some sense.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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Subject: Re: Ben (Bernhard) Klassen
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In article 
           olk@login.dknet.dk "Ole Kreiberg" writes:
>   Ben (Bernhard) Klassen was born in a Christian Mennonite family who
> had in many generations been in this sect. The members are ethnically 
> of German and Dutch stock. Please show me the slightest piece of evidence, 
> that he might have been Jewish .

Hmm, Harold Covington, who is not reputed to be a philo-Semite, stated
categorically that Klassen was a Russian/East European-born Jew.

Can you give me documentation on your claim? I presume you don't dispute what
I said about Frank Collin?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: The Great Revisionist Challenge, Take 2
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In article 
           t08o@unb.ca "MORRISON  KEITH MURRAY" writes:

> 
> (Originally posted October 30, 1995.  Still no takers)
> 
> 
> 
> A recent reply I made to Mr. Baron has reminded me of a challenge I made 
> sometime back that was never taken up.  Now I know why it was not taken up, 
> and you denier types know why you didn't take it up, but for the new people 
> on both sides and the spectators, let us try it again.
> 
> 
> ********************THE CHALLENGE**************************

I took this up and am still working on my Revisionist thesis, but it is 
for publication. The only reason I post chunks of it here is to submit it
to the worst criticism it can stand and thereby hone it to perfection.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4cnn46$mb4@nimitz.fibr.net> hmazal@txdirect.net,  writes:

> Mr. Baron kissed two Chinese girls in Trafalgar square and this is an example of> what he previously referred to as having relations with non-white women. That
> certainly seems innocent enough, but it is not what he implied in a previous
>  post.

What your disease brain "thought" I implied; I said simply that there are not 
a few women who would laugh in your face about my mythical mysoginy.

> 
> The only persons who can really tell us whether the adulterine Mr. Baron is a
>  homosexual,
> a mysoginist, a straight or even a neutered elf are Messrs Silvers and
>  Erlingham. The two
> gentlemen in question, for some odd reason, have not come to the defense of Mr.
>  Baron
> in spite of their intensly personal relationship. 

>Perhaps soon, when Mr.
>  Baron's present 
> problems with litigation are ended he will reveal all. Given, of course,  that
>  his
> presently fattened wallet is not considerably thinned out.

Mr Baron has NO problems with litigation; an announcement can be expected 
February 1, possibly sooner.
 
> Mr. Baron is close to a convicted child molestor. By his own admission, he has
> known this disgusting and deviant person since 1990. What posesses a man,  who
> is so vocally homophobic,  to be friendly with such filth? 

Harry, people who know the truth document it; people who don't, use innuendo.
Res ipsa loquitur.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article 
           mkelley@U.Arizona.EDU "Marty Kelley" writes:

> > Believe it or not, Hart's Canada testimony is regarded by some as the BEST
> > evidence. 
> 
> By whom?  Please provide a citation from a published source that makes 
> that statement, if you can...

She has a chapter in Adler/Langbein/Lingen's-Reiner to start with. Are you
saying now that she is not so reliable?

> So how does this in any way disprove Mr. Morris's contention that she 
> could have seen gassings from the "Canada" location, or that her 
> descriptions of those gassings are consistent with SS accounts of how 
> gassings took place?

Read her testimony with a bit of critical faculty; she claimed to have seen 
it from her barracks; I can't look this up now but if you read it you'll see
that it proves absolutely nothing.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4cnnmf$mb4@nimitz.fibr.net> hmazal@txdirect.net,  writes:

> 
> This interchange ought to provoke considerable mirth.  Two dogged distorters
> and bigots going at each other.  Mr. Baron calls Mr. Klassen a Jewish-born
> antisemitic nutter,  Mr. Kreiberg calls him a Christian Mennonite (but refrains
> from calling him an antisemitic nutter). 

Klassen was a nutter in any sense of the word, and if you had read any of his
poison you would agree.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 96 22:17 EST
From: lindat@iquest.net
To: Horatius Cocles 
Cc: fija@teleport.com, liberty-and-justice@pobox.com, commonlaw@teleport.com,
    dnowch2@teleport.com, libernet@dartmouth.edu
Subject: Re: 


>consciously insert this seemingly innocuous "guarantee" into the
Constitution to
>destroy the result of the War of Independence, and to bring us back under the
>sway of the Jew-masonic British Empire?  It would certainly  seem that way.  If
>not, why was the Constitutional Convention conducted in secret in 1789?  And if
>not, why is Jewish usury banking the one untouchable subject on all newscasts
>and talk shows, right down to the present time?  Did we ever really free
>ourselves from the tentacles of the Rothschilds's Bank of England?

It's amazing to me how we've never had ANY posts like this for several
years, then when the ADL wants to run their scam on
"right-wing-anti-semitic-racist-frothing-at-the-mouth-gun-nuts" people who
seem like cartoon characters who fit this non-existent created stereotype
just start "appearing" on the net.

And they're ALWAYS from AOL, home of the feds.

Go away.  You're another Lampley.
Kind regards,

***********************  V  *************************
          DEATH TO THE NEW WORLD ORDER
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& news videos, "Waco, the Big Lie,"  "America Under Siege"
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for not wearing a U.N. hat, but the Army won't
courtmartial the 160th and 158th Special Operations,
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Do you pay taxes because you are afraid if you don't, the feds will take
your paycheck, your house, your car, and put you in prison?
Funny, when the mafia does it, that's called CRIMINAL
EXTORTION.

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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt
the world to himself.
Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
                                                         -George Bernard Shaw 









-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4cp3p4$8du@amhux3.amherst.edu>
           jaklein@unix.amherst.edu "Josh Klein" writes:
> Pardon me?  Could you produce this e-mail, please?  I may have
> criticized the ADL or a few other individual organizations, but I
> very much doubt that I ever complained about "Organized Jewry"
> per se.  

That's what I meant, the ADL, etc. If you recall you said you didn't believe
they were as powerful as I "make them out to be".

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article 
           topcat@igc.apc.org "Michael Philips" writes:

> You're right, Al.  I didn't see your piece the first time around.  Here's
> a guidebook just for you.
> 
>                The Protocols of Al Baron
> 
> Practice the following procedures and you can be a nincompoop just
> like Al Baron:
> 
> 1.  Claim that you documented that the gas chamber at Dachau was
> never used to gas people when in fact you haven't documented any
> such thing.

It is admitted by anti-Revisionists that what was exhibited as a "gas chamber"
was in fact a delousing chamber; see Pressac for example. 

> 
> 2.  Claim that you've documented that photos of death camps were
> fabricated and miscaptioned when in fact you have documented
> nothing of the kind.

There are many instances of this; Vrba's book contains many pictures of
Belsen; Vrba was never at Belsen. I have seen such photographs captioned
"The Final Solution", but the fact is that Belsen was a camp for privileged
Jews and conditions were tenable until the last few months of the war. Photographs
of disease-ridden and starved Jews taken at Belsen do not prove that Jews or
anyone else was "gassed" at Auschwitz.

> 
> 3.  Claim that you've documented that the memoirs of Jews such as
> hart, Vrba, Mueller, and Wiesel are ludicrous and blatantly fake
> when if fact you've documented nothing of the kind.


Vrba is an admitted liar; 40 years after he claimed to have seen a gas chamber
in action he admitted under oath that he had never seen any such thing. I never
said Hart's book was faked, I said it was worth something as a chronicle of
a frightened young Jewish girl but is worthless as proof or even as evidence
of gassings. It was Dan Keren who pointed out that Hart's story about a baby
surviving a gassing was hearsay, at best. The fact that there are many such 
accounts does not mean they are true.

> 
> 4.  Claim that you've shown that Eichman was tortured by the Allies
> when you've shown nothing of the kind.

When and where did I say that?

> 5.  Claim you've named the names of the holocaust "hoax"
> perpetrators when you haven't provided any.

I didn't say that, what I said was that Professor Butz names in his book
a number of individuals and organisations whom he claims were responsible
for the gassing stories. He does not attribute them to the mythical Elders of
Zion as has been claimed in an "academic" Jewish journal.
 
> 6.  Claim to have provided evidence of an organized effort among
> Jews in the U.S. to make holocaust denial a crime when you've
> provided no such evidence.

Jews are in the forefront of the movement to suppress and deny free speech
not only in the United States but throughout the world. It was a Jewess who
dragged Zundel into court in Canada. The fact that some of the greatest 
champions of free speech have also been Jewish does not alter this unpleasant
fact. In 1977, "Did Six Million Really Die?" was banned in "racist" South
Africa due to the efforts of leading Zionists. I have documented this 
elsewhere.


> 
> 7.  Accept without question testimonies about alleged "Zionist"
> atrocities in the 1948 war while rejecting each and every testimony
> about Nazi atrocities.

I do accept these without question but if you or anyone else is prepared
to make out serious arguments that they were fabricated by the British or 
whatever then I will consider them. The truth about this is that 
Dan Keren was playing silly semantic games and does not seriously contest
that they happened and that the Irgun was responsible for them.


> 8.  Speak in circles, tangents, analogies, and non-sequiturs, and
> never respond directly to a point (unless you willfully
> misinterpret it).

Not me, squire.

> 
> 9.  Dismiss holocaust evidence as a "pack of lies" as if that
> proves it to be a pack of lies.

As some of it is, mostly I have said that the "evidence" does not prove what
the Exterminationists claim it proves.
 
> 10.  Claim that holocaust testimony has been discredited as if that
> proves it was discredited.  When pressed for proof it was
> discredited, state that it is "far too well known to require
> documenting here" as if that is sufficient documentation.

Some Holocaust testimony has been discredited; I have written a book about this.
 
> 11.  Claim that anti-revisionists have admitted in private that all
> the evidence of the holocaust was forged, meaningless, or tampered
> with.  Provide no proof to support your assertion.

I never made any such claim; what I did say was that I have an admission from
an Exterminationist who says in private what he hasn't the courage to say in
public, namely that many survivors have lied through their teeth and that some
photographs have been faked, etc.
 
> 12.  Make idiotic claims.  For example, argue that the public anti-
> semitic statements by the Nazis and their attempts to keep the
> exterminations of Jews secret are somehow mutually exclusive
> because you can't have public statements and secret actions
> happening simultaneously.

You don't see a contradiction here? On the one hand the Nazis are said to
have threatened to exterminate the Jews, on the other hand they are said to
have done it in secret.
 
> 13.  Claim that since Jews were "only" oppressed and not
> systematically murdered in the Third Reich's early years, this
> means they were *never* systematically murdered.

I have stated in writing that with the single spectacular exception of
Kristallnacht there was no organised violence against Jews by the state in
Nazi Germany. As you know, I also believe that this was largely the work
of opportunists.

> 14.  Claim that an obscure article in an obscure Hebrew journal in
> 1946 calling for the jailing of anti-semites represents the views
> of all Jews in the world in 1996, and is somehow evidence that the
> holocaust did not occur. 

I never did any such thing. The American Hebrew was published in English and
until it folded in 1956 it was probably the most prestigious and influential
Jewish newspaper in America. I gave this quote from Rabbi Spitz as an example
of Jewish hatred and paranoia; I did not relate it to the Holocaust as far
as I remember.

> In fact, find all kinds of extraneous
> statements that some Jew somewhere may have uttered, and say Ah Ha!
> And claim this shows that Jews are behind xyz conspiracy 

When and where have I claimed that Jews are involved in a "conspiracy"? When
and where have I authenticated the Protocols of Zion?

> 16.  Complain that people label you an anti-semite just because you
> make anti-semitic statements.

On the contrary, they label me an anti-Semite because epithets come easier to
them than arguments.

 
> 17.  Refer to Jews as "dumb," 

another out of context quote

>homosexuals as "dung beetles," 

as indeed they are, and the most devout of the Jews, and Moslems, feel the 
same way.


> historians as "cowards," 


as many of them are.

> 19.  Claim that Nazi-era articles in the Jewish Chronicle used the
> word "extermination" too much and therefore there was no
> extermination.

It is a valid point that the word "extermination" was used in a cavalier
fashion when there were no exterminations. (I'm not conceding there ever
were).
 
> 20.  Argue that the tremendous death rate in the supposed "work
> camps" was not as high as the death rate by the Germans at the
> front, as if that somehow justifies killing people in the camps.

I never said any such thing; killing people is wrong per se, but these
things happen in war.

> 21.  Try to lampoon the Revisionist Guidebook with your own
> "Exterminationist Guidebook."  Even though it comes out all
> garbled, lie-ridden, and nonsensical, with incomplete and/or
> fraudulent footnotes, claim that it has been published by a
> reputable publisher.

All the footnotes check out; the question of who is or is not a reputable
publisher is a subjective judgment. Was the government of Nazi Germany a
reputable publisher when it published the Protocols of Zion and other anti-
Semitic tracts?

Overall I'd say you scored 7 points out of a possible 500. Now go to the 
bottom of the class.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4cpoqn$1erc@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>
           gmcfee@ibm.net "Gord McFee" writes:

> Mr. Baron has a practice of dismissing all testimony
> except that which he agrees with

Like the Lachout Document? 

> If that's not good enough for Mr. Baron, or others, so be it.  I have
> personal reasons that dissuade me from making the names public.

So we have only your word that these conversations happened or that these
people exist? What if the boot were on the other foot?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4crp6k$h7h@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:
> >>>>
>         Was the egg left over their faces because they triumphed in
> the lawsuit you frivolously brought against them and for which they
> collected damages from you?


Yale, if I were you I would hold your tongue; I could make my announcement
today but I will save it for the end of the month. The more you mouth off
between now and then the more stupid you will look.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article 
           karlpov@access5.digex.net "Charles R.L. Power" writes:
 
> Er, Al, I think you'd do well to read Graves's posts more carefully. When 
> he says "the Jews," he bloody well means "the Jews." If you don't believe 
> me, try asking him.

Hmm, I'll take your word for it, but this is a good general point. 

-- 
Alexander Baron

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In article <4d0i5q$j5j@access2.digex.net>
           mphilips@access2.digex.net "Michael Philips" writes:

>there is no "Jewish 
> Administration" or "Organized Jewry."  To use such terms gives the 
> appearance of antisemitism.  If there are Jewish organizations or 
> individuals you are critical of, then specify which ones.

Organised Jewry is NOT an anti-Semitic term. It matters not whether you 
attack a specific Jewish individual or organisation, these slime will 
smear you as anti-Semitic because that's the way they operate. If you don't
believe me ask the more Orthodox Jews or anyone, Gentile or Jew, who has
been involved in anti-Zionist activity. One British Moslem told me it was
not so much Organised Jewry as Organised blackmail.

-- 
Alexander Baron

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In article 
           karlpov@access5.digex.net "Charles R.L. Power" writes:
 
> Er, Al, I think you'd do well to read Graves's posts more carefully. When 
> he says "the Jews," he bloody well means "the Jews." If you don't believe 
> me, try asking him.

Hmm, I'll take your word for it, but this is a good general point. 

-- 
Alexander Baron

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In article <4d0i5q$j5j@access2.digex.net>
           mphilips@access2.digex.net "Michael Philips" writes:

>there is no "Jewish 
> Administration" or "Organized Jewry."  To use such terms gives the 
> appearance of antisemitism.  If there are Jewish organizations or 
> individuals you are critical of, then specify which ones.

Organised Jewry is NOT an anti-Semitic term. It matters not whether you 
attack a specific Jewish individual or organisation, these slime will 
smear you as anti-Semitic because that's the way they operate. If you don't
believe me ask the more Orthodox Jews or anyone, Gentile or Jew, who has
been involved in anti-Zionist activity. One British Moslem told me it was
not so much Organised Jewry as Organised blackmail.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> Correction: "disease-ridden and starved" should be "dead". It
> may come as a surprise to Baron, but the thousands of people
> in that huge hole in the ground that we see in these photographs
> are actually dead.

But not murdered.
> 
> # do not prove that Jews or anyone else was "gassed" at Auschwitz.
> 
> No one claimed they do. There's plenty of other proof for that.
> What happened in Belsen proves that the Nazis starved the inmates
> to death.

On the contrary Dan, the mass propaganda "proof" has always been Belsen
and Dachau. Ask any goy in the street.
>  
> # Vrba is an admitted liar; 40 years after he claimed to have seen a
> # gas chamber in action he admitted under oath that he had never 
> # seen any such thing. 
> 
> I have yet to see proof of this assertion. As I recall, Vrba said
> he saw an SS-man pour the Zyklon into one of the chambers. Now, the
> "revisionists" claim it was really a delousing chamber. Is that
> what makes Vrba a "liar"? Or is there any other evidence?

On the contrary, he retracted and claimed that his book was really a
"portrait" rather than a memoir. If you read later stuff on the War Refugee
Board report, Pressac et al, you'll find the story has changed.

> 
> The truth is that Baron is a bloody coward, who refused to debate
> a very major point: why does he accept evidence to alleged "Zionist
> atrocities" (such as this "killing of six sleeping British
> paratroopers"), while he automatically rejects each and every
> evidence to Nazi atrocities, even if far better documented that
> these alleged "Irgun" atrocities. 
> 
> The answer is clear: Baron is a cowardly fool.

No Dan, if you really want to debate this, put forward some evidence. You 
can't and you don't want to. You were just playing games.
>  
> ## Refer to Jews as "dumb," 
>  
> # another out of context quote
> 
> Baron said that Jews are "dumb". What can be "out of context" here?
> Only a certified nut like Baron can tell.

You have proof of my certification? Perhaps you've been talking to the Rabbi
I shared a cell with in 1983. Seven years before he jerked off the bar mitzvah
boy in the synagogue.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4cv1sm$2kvq@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>
           gmcfee@ibm.net "Gord McFee" writes:
> I don't see that in what I read.  He doesn't assume it was there in the
> first place; he *recounts* how it was there in the first place and then adds
> that it was destroyed.

Begging the question: how does he know it was there in the first place if
it doesn't exist now?


> >> He holds
> >> revisionists (deniers) in contempt.  
> 
> >That is his problem; perhaps he should consult a psychiatrist on this
> >score, I merely commented on the fact that his book is far more honest
> >than most; he says a lot of the things the Revisionists say but
> >indirectly.
> 
> I don't think he needs "help" on this score.  Note that I said he holds
> *deniers* in contempt.  You will find that most reputable historians do the
> same.  *Revisionists*--real revisionists--are not held in contempt. 
> Deniers, who portray themselves as revisionists, are held in contempt and
> deserve to be held in contempt.

Flattery again. Now I know how Galileo felt.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Citing Mayer to support the "revisionist case"
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In article <4cvjmi$loc@cnn.cc.biu.ac.il>
           schultr@ashur.cc.biu.ac.il "Richard Schultz" writes:

 
> Which probably explains why his book has no footnotes.  If you go to the
> original primary sources, you find that when one of them contradicts
> Mayer's thesis, he simply pretends that it doesn't exist.  Providing 
> references to the particular sources would have made his intellectual
> dishonesty in the matter that much easier to detect. 

So Mayer is a liar too now? Perhaps he hit a nerve.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4d1053$jbq@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:

>Recently you stated that at least one recognized
>  historian
> (and you have implied that others exist as well) has privately admitted to you
>  that
> he/she doubts that the Holocaust never happened.  You have also refused to
> name that person.
> 
>         I have no reason to doubt that McFee talked, at some time in the past to> two SS members.  I have plenty of reason to doubt that your alleged conversation> with a "historian" actually occurred.

I was hoping his name would be all over the Spotlight by now; I've sent the IHR
a copy and will wait and see what they do with it.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Thu Jan 11 16:06:50 PST 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article 
           karlpov@access5.digex.net "Charles R.L. Power" writes:
 
> Er, Al, I think you'd do well to read Graves's posts more carefully. When 
> he says "the Jews," he bloody well means "the Jews." If you don't believe 
> me, try asking him.

Hmm, I'll take your word for it, but this is a good general point. 

-- 
Alexander Baron

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In article <4d0i5q$j5j@access2.digex.net>
           mphilips@access2.digex.net "Michael Philips" writes:

>there is no "Jewish 
> Administration" or "Organized Jewry."  To use such terms gives the 
> appearance of antisemitism.  If there are Jewish organizations or 
> individuals you are critical of, then specify which ones.

Organised Jewry is NOT an anti-Semitic term. It matters not whether you 
attack a specific Jewish individual or organisation, these slime will 
smear you as anti-Semitic because that's the way they operate. If you don't
believe me ask the more Orthodox Jews or anyone, Gentile or Jew, who has
been involved in anti-Zionist activity. One British Moslem told me it was
not so much Organised Jewry as Organised blackmail.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article <4d3l0c$st3@shiva.usa.net> hkatz@earth.usa.net "Harry Katz" writes:

> No, it's a trick of anti-Jewish propagandists to silence Jews!

Harry, the man who can silence your kin hasn't been born.

> Anyone with a favorable opinion of what Mr. Baron is pleased to
> characterize as "Oragnized Jewry" is immediately branded as a secret,
> crypto-operative of a vast conspiracy "to silence dissent" even if he is
> just an ordinary person with an ordinary opinion.

Again Harry, the word "conspiracy" is yours. Tell me, why do you feel this
need to be thought of as a conspirator?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4d6nf0$p05@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:

>  it's
> only hearsay anyway and we can dismiss it as more another one of Lyin' Al's
> impressions of his hero, Herr Streicher.
> 

Please document any article or thread when I have said anything favourable
about Streicher, you lying little shit.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article <4d4i84$2in@nimitz.fibr.net> hmazal@txdirect.net  writes:

> As Mr. Baron does not like
> being referred to as  'Alex,' he can be perfectly secure that I will never
> so address him.

I am thankful for small mercies, but as you use this name on your signature
I see no reason I shouldn't use it. Or anyone. If you don't want me or anyone
else to address you thus might I suggest you change it?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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Subject: Re: Ben (Bernhard) Klassen
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In article <4d4ik6$2ld@nimitz.fibr.net> hmazal@txdirect.net  writes:

> This did not stop Mr. Baron from making an unsubstantiated statement. It
> took a neo-Nazi to inform Mr. Baron that the gentleman in question was,
> in fact, a member of the 'Aryan' tribe.   It only shows that no group is
> endowed with 100% perfect specimens.

By a remarkable coincidence I've just received a mailing from somebody called
Luther Williams (any info on this guy?) who says in a circular that Klassen's
ethnic origin is uncertain but that he may well be Jewish. He also has some
unpleasant things to say about Tom Metzger and sundry other far rightists.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4d4e5e$gag@zippy.cais.net> tm@pacificnet.net "tom moran" writes:
>         The basic motive and goal of these 'literary' endeavors is:
>                  'OUR ENEMIES ARE YOUR ENEMIES'
>         
>         Jewish oragnizations have a record of championing themselves as
> vanguards of human rights, but the documentary evidence would show
> they are thoroughly rapt up in their own self interests, which in the
> case at hand explicitly carries - revisionism - as a subject of
> "hate". 

Bravo! Excellent posting.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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Subject: Re: Liberation of the camps.. *FACT* VS LIES
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:
> Dr. Klein testified that numerous inmates died of thirst. Why were 
> they not given water?

Because the pump had broken down, stupid, and because the water that was
available was largely contaminated.
 
> Why were numerous inmates shot?

Partly to maintain order. Those who practiced  cannibalism were also shot.

> In general, why did all these cases of "supply problems" hit the
> concentration camps? Why is it that so many died of hunger in them,
> while the local population was doing very well?

More to the point, why didn't this happen until February 1945 on, stupid.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4d89na$n3p@access2.digex.net>
           mphilips@access2.digex.net "Michael Philips" writes:

> In article <821315754snz@abaron.demon.co.uk>,
> Alexander Baron   wrote:
> >
> >Organised Jewry is NOT an anti-Semitic term.
> 
> I suppose it could be used in a non-anti-semitic manner, but I haven't 
> seen it. 

Try the New Yourk Times op-ed February 6, 1994, an advert placed by the
Hebrew Congregation of America.

> It is anti-semitic because it implies that Jews are somehow 
> organized into some monolithic force


It implies, correctly, that certain Jews are organised in powerful political
lobbies, as indeed they are. Do you find the term "organised labour" equally
repulsive?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.discrimination,alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: How to keep jews happy (was: Bigots at odds)
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In article 
           bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA "Les Griswold" writes:

> Fresh816 (fresh816@aol.com) writes:
> > Graves,
> > 
> > Offer some proof for this World Zionist Conspiracy

According to the Oxford English Dictionary, a conspiracy is a banding together
of persons for an evil or illegal purpose. The Master Race philosophy of
political Zionism is clearly evil, and it has been declared illegal by the
United Nations. It is supported by many Jews who band together for this common
purpose all over the world, therefore the existence of Zionism is proof of a 
World Zionist Conspiracy.

To be perfectly fair, one must also brand Nazism and Communism world conspiracies:
see for example Nathaniel Weyl's comments in "The Jew in American Politics", but
the fact that Nazis were evil conspirators in no way lessens the fact that certain
Jews have followed in their footsteps.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.discrimination,alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: How to keep jews happy (was: Bigots at odds)
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In article 
           bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA "Les Griswold" writes:

> Fresh816 (fresh816@aol.com) writes:
> > Graves,
> > 
> > Offer some proof for this World Zionist Conspiracy

According to the Oxford English Dictionary, a conspiracy is a banding together
of persons for an evil or illegal purpose. The Master Race philosophy of
political Zionism is clearly evil, and it has been declared illegal by the
United Nations. It is supported by many Jews who band together for this common
purpose all over the world, therefore the existence of Zionism is proof of a 
World Zionist Conspiracy.

To be perfectly fair, one must also brand Nazism and Communism world conspiracies:
see for example Nathaniel Weyl's comments in "The Jew in American Politics", but
the fact that Nazis were evil conspirators in no way lessens the fact that certain
Jews have followed in their footsteps.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article 
           bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA "Les Griswold" writes:

> Fresh816 (fresh816@aol.com) writes:
> > Graves,
> > 
> > Offer some proof for this World Zionist Conspiracy

According to the Oxford English Dictionary, a conspiracy is a banding together
of persons for an evil or illegal purpose. The Master Race philosophy of
political Zionism is clearly evil, and it has been declared illegal by the
United Nations. It is supported by many Jews who band together for this common
purpose all over the world, therefore the existence of Zionism is proof of a 
World Zionist Conspiracy.

To be perfectly fair, one must also brand Nazism and Communism world conspiracies:
see for example Nathaniel Weyl's comments in "The Jew in American Politics", but
the fact that Nazis were evil conspirators in no way lessens the fact that certain
Jews have followed in their footsteps.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.revisionism,can.general,soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Lesson #1 about Race Issues: The Jew
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In article <4dbv2f$pcv@news1.panix.com>
           amathis@mail.newhouse.com "Semitic Avenger" writes:

> The ACLU, by the way, was founded by Jews, notably supreme court
> justice Felix Frankfurter.

Too true, but the mistake you people make is extrapolating from the specific
to the general. The fact that there are Jewish Libertarians doesn't alter the
fact that there are some Jewish individuals and organisations who are 
thoroughly evil bastards who have no qualms about exploiting the good name
of the former in their insidious campaigns.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: More Treason from Kleim
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In article <4d9def$3s5m@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>
           gmcfee@ibm.net "Gord McFee" writes:

> :>> "Everything about the behavior of American society reveals that            
>                                            
> 
> :>> it's half judaized and the other half negrified.  How can one expect       
>                                            
> 
> :>> a state like that to hold together?"                                       


Hitler didn't like Jews - that's news, and he hated jazz.

> :>> "The Americans ought to be ashamed of themselves for letting               
>                                            
> 
> :>> their medals be won by Negroes."                                           

Those white boys should train their sportsmen harder. I might say that Michael
Moorer should be ashamed of losing to an old, bald fatman. Is that anti-black
or "ageist"?

> How about the following quote, taken from Mein Kampf, Chapter III:             
>                                            
> 
>                                                                   
> "Aside from the trash of the more modern artistic development, which a
> nation                                              
> of Negroes might just as well have produced..."                                
>                                          

Hitler was a man of his time; if you compare 19th Century Negro art with
European you'll see what he meant.

> "It was and it is Jews who bring the Negroes into the Rhineland, 
>always with   
>  the same secret thought and clear aim of ruining the hated white race by the   
>                                            
> 
> necessarily resulting bastardization..."                                       


I know this quote; you may claim it is anti-Jewish, but in view of the efforts
of certain Jewish organisations to force race-mixing down our throats on the
pretext that "racism" = gas chambers I'd say it was fair comment.

To be absolutely non-partisan I suggest you read up on what J.C. Owens really
said about Hitler and the Nazis on his return from the Berlin olympics. You'll
find this in the black newspaper DEFENDER. You'll be surprised.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4dcmbd$m0l@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>
           kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca "Ken McVay OBC" writes:

In 1927, an American judge ordered auto magnate Henry
> Ford to destroy a large printing of the book he had personally financed

This is not true. Ford disossiated himself from the Protocols in 1927. In public,
although there is good evidence he believed in them until his death.

 
> as recently as 1991 the South African government banned it as an immoral
> publication.

"Racist" South Africa?


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Rabin and the Atalena
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Sometime ago somebody asked me if Yitzhak Rabin had been involved with the
Atalena. I got a phone call from the non-existent Rabbi Goldstein last night 
and he happened to mention that Rabin had been in charge of it.

He wouldn't think much of you either, Yale.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4d9dfa$1euc@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>
           gmcfee@ibm.net "Gord McFee" writes:

> In <821315895snz@abaron.demon.co.uk>, a_baron@abaron.demon.co.uk said:
> 
> >
> >In article <4cv1sm$2kvq@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>
> >           gmcfee@ibm.net "Gord McFee" writes:
> >> I don't see that in what I read.  He doesn't assume it was there in the
> >> first place; he *recounts* how it was there in the first place and then
> adds
> >> that it was destroyed.
> 
> >Begging the question: how does he know it was there in the first place if
> >it doesn't exist now?
> 
> How does one know that anything existed that doesn't exist any more?  Come
> off it, Al.

Rhetoric. Answer the question please.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4da1sh$mku@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>
           gmcfee@ibm.net "Gord McFee" writes:

> In , dkeren@world.std.com said:
> 
> >
> >First, Mayer is certainly not a "revisionist". I haven't read his book;
> >but some excerpts posted here are certainly inaccurate.
> 
> Mayer is not a denier; he is a revisionist, IMHO, but not like the scum in
> this newsgroup. 

What scum had you in  mind, Gord?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4dbo9a$7o5@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:

> >   Alexander Baron  writes:
> >  
> >  
> >  According to the Oxford English Dictionary, a conspiracy is a banding
>  together
> >  of persons for an evil or illegal purpose. The Master Race philosophy of
> >  political Zionism is clearly evil, and it has been declared illegal by the
> >  United Nations. 
> 
>         The United Nations decreee, which is not as you represent 
was withdrawn, you slimy anti-Semite.  How dare you sit at your computer 
> and act as though that foul libel was still effective.

The fact remains that the United Nations
has repeatedly condemned Israel's illegal annexations and human rights abuses.
I am not a great fan of the UN and would like to see it abolished, but the
repeated condemnation of Israeli human rights abuses by Arab, non-Sectarian
and Jewish human rights organisations is a matter of record. The fact that 
other countries abuse their citizens and minorities does not diminish this.

My friends in the Neturei Karta have told me all about the Master Race
philosophy of political Zionism from a Jewish perspective, and as, unlike
you they are real Jews and not political gangsters who just happen to have
some Jewish ancestry somewhere down the line I consider their word to have
greater merit than you repeated distortions.

Zionism is - in a broad sense - a Jewish conspiracy, and again I will quote
Nathaniel Weyl from The Jew in American Politics.

page 152  "A 'conspiracy,' according to the Oxford English Dictionary, 
is a 'combination of persons for an evil or unlawful purpose.' Unfortunately, 
a great deal of modern history is precisely that, the most flagrant examples 
being the Nazi and Communist movements."


If a distinguished Jewish scholar can talk about the Nazis as an "Aryan"
conspiracy, I see nothing anti-Semitic or illogical about calling Zionism
a Jewish conspiracy.

Up yours Yale.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4deotc$a6t@news1.panix.com>
           amathis@mail.newhouse.com "Semitic Avenger" writes:
> >> TROTSKY was a Jew--one of our finest, too.

On his death, Trotsky was denounced from the synagogue by his own father as
an enemy of Judaism and the curse of humanity. You were saying?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4dceie$ac4@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:

>         You have been asked time after time to name the "reputable sources" 
> that Jews practiced ritual murder.  So far, you have failed to do so.  Where
>  are 
> these "reputable sources" Lyin' Al?

Does your definition of "reputable" exclude anyone who says anything you
consider to be "anti-Semitic" ?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4db7o2$5eq@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:

> >   Alexander Baron  writes:
> >
> >  
> >  Please document any article or thread when I have said anything favourable
> >  about Streicher, you lying little shit.
> >  
> >>>>
>         We have gone over this before, comparing his writings and your
> posts.  The congruence of both technique, style, and the citation of fraudulent
> sources clearly indicates who you are imitating.  The lying shit here is you,
>  Lyin'

No, YOU have gone over it before; you're the one who says I use fraudulent
sources. You're the one who is saying that my thoroughly documented researches
and exposes of Zionist/Jewish (and other) sponsored lies parallels the ravings
of a man whose magazine was so virulently anti-Semitic that it was even
suppressed by Hitler. In other words, you are affirming your own ravings.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,soc.culture.jewish
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In article <4deotc$a6t@news1.panix.com>
           amathis@mail.newhouse.com "Semitic Avenger" writes:
> >> TROTSKY was a Jew--one of our finest, too.

On his death, Trotsky was denounced from the synagogue by his own father as
an enemy of Judaism and the curse of humanity. You were saying?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4dceie$ac4@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:

>         You have been asked time after time to name the "reputable sources" 
> that Jews practiced ritual murder.  So far, you have failed to do so.  Where
>  are 
> these "reputable sources" Lyin' Al?

Does your definition of "reputable" exclude anyone who says anything you
consider to be "anti-Semitic" ?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4db7o2$5eq@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:

> >   Alexander Baron  writes:
> >
> >  
> >  Please document any article or thread when I have said anything favourable
> >  about Streicher, you lying little shit.
> >  
> >>>>
>         We have gone over this before, comparing his writings and your
> posts.  The congruence of both technique, style, and the citation of fraudulent
> sources clearly indicates who you are imitating.  The lying shit here is you,
>  Lyin'

No, YOU have gone over it before; you're the one who says I use fraudulent
sources. You're the one who is saying that my thoroughly documented researches
and exposes of Zionist/Jewish (and other) sponsored lies parallels the ravings
of a man whose magazine was so virulently anti-Semitic that it was even
suppressed by Hitler. In other words, you are affirming your own ravings.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4db7o2$5eq@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:

> >   Alexander Baron  writes:
> >
> >  
> >  Please document any article or thread when I have said anything favourable
> >  about Streicher, you lying little shit.
> >  
> >>>>
>         We have gone over this before, comparing his writings and your
> posts.  The congruence of both technique, style, and the citation of fraudulent
> sources clearly indicates who you are imitating.  The lying shit here is you,
>  Lyin'

No, YOU have gone over it before; you're the one who says I use fraudulent
sources. You're the one who is saying that my thoroughly documented researches
and exposes of Zionist/Jewish (and other) sponsored lies parallels the ravings
of a man whose magazine was so virulently anti-Semitic that it was even
suppressed by Hitler. In other words, you are affirming your own ravings.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.discrimination,alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Bigots at odds (was: ANOTHER whopper for you exterminationists)
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In article 
           potato@mo.net "Frank Weltner" writes:

> White
> cruelty has never reached these levels of cruelty which Africans
> experienced in Africa at the hands of their own big black "bros" in their
> jungle-, prairie-, and bush-hoods.

Quite right, and if anyone says anything different we'll nuke 'em, like
we did to those filthy slit-eyed subhuman Japs the last time. Or burn them
at the stake like we did to 400,000 witches during the witch hunt craze, or
disembowl 'em like Vlad the Impaler, ten thousand at a time. How dare these
low life claim that us wonderful whites would sink to their level? It's a good
thing we're not Jewish or we'd smear them as anti-Semitic for even thinking it.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Baron, Oprah, and Ritual Murder
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In article 
           mvanalst@rbi.com "Mark Van Alstine" writes:

> How so? You have offeed no evidence to support this conclusion. Simply
> because an event is related by an eyewitness to another 

Hart was not an eyewitness; her claim about the baby has no more validity than
a claim by Al Baron that Jews practice ritual murder because Les Griswold 
told him that he saw one. Hart's claim does not have to be refuted.


>does not mean it
> never happened. You must _show_ that it did not happen. Barring that, you
> must provide circumstantial evidence as to _why_ it could not happen.

I do not have to show it could not have happened, you have to show it did. All
you have is the word of Mrs Hart in her 1961 book. Nothing else. This is 
evidence and certainly proof of nothing.

> > Have you read her book? 
> 
> Yes, have _you_, Baron? (It seems evident that initially you didn't.) You
> _do_ remember that I posted/emailed _you_ the passage from Hart's book:

I've studied both of Hart's books in some detail since the first post here.
They are both worthless as evidence of anything except general war-time 
privation.


> Let me clarify, Baron: Do you deny that the Kremas and burning pits
> cremated somewhere btween 800,000 and 1.6 million bodies? In other words,
> Baron, do you deny that the great majority of bodies of the victims of
> Nazi mass-murder at Auschwitz were cremated? 

These claims have yet to be proved. I don't think the proof will ever be
forthcoming.

> Baron, Lady Birdwood's "gullibility" does not _excuse_ her of promulgating
> anti-Semitic accusations. (Of course, her "gullibility" is allegded, as I
> only have _your_ word that she _is_ "gullible.") Or are _you_ suggesting
> that Lady Birdwood is not mentally competant enough to be held responsible
> for her actions? If so why are _you_ then using her as a "source?" Do you
> often use the mentally incompetant as your sources?

Lady Birdwood is so far gone that when I told her the Protocols is a load
of bollocks she accused me of working for the Jews. 

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Alex Baron and the Belsen Water Pump (Re: Liberation of 
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> Alex Baron   wrote:

You're not simply a dumb Jew Keren, you're a malicious bastard. I have no
intention of replying to any thread that addresses me as Alex. Dig?


> Of course it did. I mention, once again, that numerous inmates of "work
> camps" were dying long before 1945. 

And I was talking about Belsen, which was originally a camp for privileged
Jews.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Evidence of a World Zionist Conspiracy Part 1
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In article <4dgisb$coh@curly.cc.emory.edu>
           libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu "william c anderson" writes:

> George Graves (gmgraves@aimnet.com) wrote:
> : MORRISON KEITH MURRAY wrote:
> : > In article <30F7CADA.AD3@aimnet.com> George Graves 
>  writes:
> 
> : > >Stop beating a dead horse Anderson, You were wrong, not me. Lenin was a
> : > >Jew. J.P. Morganthau was a Jew. and Elizabeth MEYER Graham is a Jewess.
> 
> Lenin was not a Jew.  There is no "J.P. Morganthau".  There is no "Elizabeth
> Meyer Graham".  There is a Katherine Meyer Graham, but she isn't the 
> publisher of the Washington Post; her son is.

Mayer Graham is the daughter of a Jew, far more important than her ethnic
origin is her membership of the self-styled global elite. Unless I'm wrong
she's a Bilderberger AND a Trilateralist.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4dk9tp$cuh@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:

> >   Lyin' Al  whine again:
> >  
> >  
> >  I've studied both of Hart's books in some detail since the first post here.
> >  They are both worthless as evidence of anything except general war-time 
> >  privation.
> >  
> >
>         And we have studied your unsupported assertions since you began to 
> make them.  They are worthless as evidence except the sick workings of the mind > of an anti-Semite.
>   

The assertions are Hart's, the sick minds are hers and yours.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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This is not an academic exercise, but if I were to claim that Ken McVay is an
anti-Semite, how would you go about refuting it?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4djmmo$14e8@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>
           gmcfee@ibm.net "Gord McFee" writes:

> >: > 
> >: > How does one know that anything existed that doesn't exist any more? 
> Come
> >: > off it, Al.
> 
> >: Rhetoric. Answer the question please.
> 
> >It's not rhetoric; it's to the point.  How do we know the Colossus of
> >Rhodes was there, or the city of Troy, or the _Lusitania_?  Written
> >records, oral accounts, drawings, photos, etc...

It is rhetoric; if you want to make out a case that the Colossus of Rhodes did
not exist, fine. Personally I couldn't give a monkey's, but Mayer says that
this "evidence" for exterminations was destroyed. Again, how does he know it
was ever there in the first place? It seems to me that he simply assumes it
was because no one could invent such enormous lies. This really isn't very
intelligent.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4di8lr$1g3@nimitz.fibr.net> hmazal@txdirect.net  writes:

> A phone call from Goldstein is not as much fun as a visit from 
> Simmons.  Mr. Baron ought to know.

The only thing you are proving with this thread Mazal is that some Jews will
sink even lower than the most demented of anti-Semites believe.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article 
           mvanalst@rbi.com "Mark Van Alstine" writes:

> eyewitnessess who told what they saw to others. This does not make the
> story invalid. The fact that Hart heard this story and later wrote about
> it does not make it invalid. 

Here we go again; at best this is hearsay. Most probably Hart made it up for
her book. Does she name the men? Does she report what happened to SS man 
Wagner? Does she hell.
> 
> > Hart's claim does not have to be refuted.

> Then you accept it? 

No I do not. Just because somebody wrote something in a book doesn't make it
true. What about all the people who "heard" that Jews committed ritual murder
or that the US government invented AIDS?
 
Good. Otheriwise it certainly _does_ need to be shown
> why it is not possible to have happened as Hart descibes if one wished to
> discount it. 
> 
> > >does not mean it
> > > never happened. You must _show_ that it did not happen. Barring that, you
> > > must provide circumstantial evidence as to _why_ it could not happen.
> > 
> > I do not have to show it could not have happened, you have to show it did. 
> 
> Al, you're being a little shit again. You are the one refuting Hart's
> story, not I. Therefore you must shown evidence disproving it. Of course
> you are too chicken-shit to do so and simply run off at the mouth instead.
> 
> 
> > All you have is the word of Mrs Hart in her 1961 book. Nothing else. 
> 
> Nothing else? We have the evidence that people where cremated in the
> Kremas and pits. We have testimony that corroborates that childredn werte
> burned alive. And you say "nothing else?" Well, fuck you, Al. There's
> _plenty_ else, you prick. 

No, no, no! The claim is that a specific SS man found a child alive after a
"gassing", in the chamber, picked it up and threw it into the oven. This claim
is clearly nonsense. If you want a deposition why not write and ask Mrs Hart?
She's still around makinga comfortable living out of this kind of dross.

> > > Let me clarify, Baron: Do you deny that the Kremas and burning pits
> > > cremated somewhere btween 800,000 and 1.6 million bodies? In other words,
> > > Baron, do you deny that the great majority of bodies of the victims of
> > > Nazi mass-murder at Auschwitz were cremated? 
> > 
> > These claims have yet to be proved. 
> 
> Yes or No, you asshole. 

No. And in any case this is not what is at issue. The claim is about SS man
Wagner's alleged murder of a "gassed" baby.
-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4dkhgu$1euu@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>
           gmcfee@ibm.net "Gord McFee" writes:

> 
> Please tell me when _Der Stuermer_ was suppressed by Hitler.  Hitler loved
> the bloody thing and read it from cover to cover.

Not true! He suppressed the ritual murder issue for one thing. Der Stuermer
was a very disreputable magazine; I even found one report in the Jewish 
Chronicle that a Nazi organisation had condemned it. According to Butz it
once claimed that Goerring's daughter had been conceived by artificial 
insemination.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4dm0ch$eiu@amhux3.amherst.edu>
           jaklein@unix.amherst.edu "Josh Klein" writes:
> There are many circumstances in which Anglo-American courts accept
> second-hand or hearsay evidence.  I am sure that Yale has already 
> explained this here.

Josh, we live in the real world. This piece of "evidence" has no more
value than the claim that the an unnamed scientist told an Indian newspaper
in 1984 that AIDS was invented by the US military.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4dp5f7$4db@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:

> >   Alexander Baron  imitates Streicher again:
> >    
> >  The assertions are Hart's, the sick minds are hers and yours.
> >>>>
>         The sick ones are the nazi lovers like you. 

Indeed?

> You have yet to raise a 
> single objection to Hart except that you do not like what she said.  You 
> compund your obstinate stupidity by pretending that the proof of the events 
> depends on Hart's testimony.  

The proof of this "event" does. Who else has written that SS man Wagner threw
this "gassed" baby into the oven?

It does not.  Hart entirely credible book only 
> corroborates other evidence.  As Raul Hilberg has written:

In other words, people made similar allegations so this one it true. Try that
in court next time you're prosecuting Yale. Men have murdered their wives before,
therefore the accused murdered his wife. Oh boy.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article <214412Z19011996@anon.penet.fi>
           an479493@anon.penet.fi "Socialist Black Man" writes:

>   
> All humans origanate from Africa, so all our ancestors
> are black. 
>   
> I bet white racists would hate to know that.

Actually, ALL our ancestors were very brown and extremely hirsuite. So what?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <214412Z19011996@anon.penet.fi>
           an479493@anon.penet.fi "Socialist Black Man" writes:

>   
> All humans origanate from Africa, so all our ancestors
> are black. 
>   
> I bet white racists would hate to know that.

Actually, ALL our ancestors were very brown and extremely hirsuite. So what?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article <4drdl4$600@amhux3.amherst.edu>
           jaklein@unix.amherst.edu "Josh Klein" writes:

> How's this: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are
> created equal..."
> 
> And no, George, Thomas Jefferson was not a Jew.

Nor was Jefferson any sort of egalitarian. Like slave-owner Washington he 
was not referring to Negroes here and certainly not to women.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
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In article <4dpa6k$13gm@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>
           gmcfee@ibm.net "Gord McFee" writes:

> Al, you throw an expression like "dumb Jew" and "malicious bastard" around,
> and then you expect the person to respect your naming desires?

I expect Dan Keren to hate me whatever I say unless I change my mind about
the "gas chambers".

 
> BTW, apart from the fact that you don't want to be called Alex--which is
> your perfect right--just what about that name annoys you so much?

The sound of the word. Silly, isn't it?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4drdl4$600@amhux3.amherst.edu>
           jaklein@unix.amherst.edu "Josh Klein" writes:

> How's this: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are
> created equal..."
> 
> And no, George, Thomas Jefferson was not a Jew.

Nor was Jefferson any sort of egalitarian. Like slave-owner Washington he 
was not referring to Negroes here and certainly not to women.

-- 
Alexander Baron

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In article <4drdl4$600@amhux3.amherst.edu>
           jaklein@unix.amherst.edu "Josh Klein" writes:

> How's this: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are
> created equal..."
> 
> And no, George, Thomas Jefferson was not a Jew.

Nor was Jefferson any sort of egalitarian. Like slave-owner Washington he 
was not referring to Negroes here and certainly not to women.

-- 
Alexander Baron

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In article <3101B723.259F@cco.caltech.edu>
           aleph@cco.caltech.edu "Colin A. Reed" writes:

> From the _American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language_:
> "fascism n. 1. A philosophy or system of government that 
> advocates or exercises a dictatorship by the extreme right, 
> typically through the merging of state and business leadership, 
> together with an ideology of belligerent nationalism. 2. The 
> governmental system of Italy under Benito Mussolini from 1922 to 
> 1943.
> fascist n. 1. A person who advocates or practices fascism. 2. A 
> person who belongs to a Fascist organization."

This Yankee dictionary is wrong. You will notice though that there is nothing
here about "anti-Semitism" or "racism", both of which can exist under other
systems and neither of which are inherent in either fascism or Nazism.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
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In article <4dtits$59m@access2.digex.net>
           mstein@access2.digex.net "Michael P. Stein" writes:

>     Actually, I thought what was at issue was your claim that every single
> part of the story repeated by Hart was clearly false.  Yes, it is hearsay. 
> Yes, it is insufficient to sustain a conviction for murder against Wagner. 
> But it is also insufficient to sustain a conviction of perjury against the
> person telling the story.  Yet that is what you appear to be claiming time
> after time: that because the story is hearsay, it IS therefore false in
> ALL particulars, and Hart MUST have made up EVERY last word of it. 

My allegation is that Mrs Hart made up this "story" probably in collaboration
with her ghost writer c1961. I have searched the record for any mention of her
(her maiden name is Felix) and can find nothing; it appears that she never 
testified at any trial, certainly not at the Belsen trial or the IMT & NMT.
There is so much in Hart's book that is obviously false, and again, if you 
adopt the same criteria for anti-Semitica the charge of ritual murder against
the Jews is "not proven". Try telling the ADL or the Wiesenthal Center that and
see what they say.

Who else has related this story about SS man Wagner? 

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4duas8$cjm@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:

>         1.  Buy it.
> 
>         2.  Read it.
> 
>         3.  Come back when you have some asset besides your pathological 
> hatred of Jews, your illiterate English, your abysmal ignorance, and your total
>  lack of 
> guts.

Have done. The poster's criticisms are valid; not all the versions can be 
true. Perhaps it's you he hates rather than Jews, Yale. Perhaps you should
consult a psychiatrist. 

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Tue Jan 23 10:56:08 PST 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: "revisionists" at UCLA?
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In article <4dv380$1ujm@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>
           gmcfee@ibm.net "Gord McFee" writes:

> Come on Al, that is really beneath you.  It is beyond belief that an
> American university would sack a professor who espoused the "revisionist"
> credo.

Quite right, it wouldn't even employ one. Look at all the hassle Professor
Butz went through.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Tue Jan 23 11:00:41 PST 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,alt.internet.media-coverage,alt.censorship
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In article <3101B723.259F@cco.caltech.edu>
           aleph@cco.caltech.edu "Colin A. Reed" writes:

> From the _American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language_:
> "fascism n. 1. A philosophy or system of government that 
> advocates or exercises a dictatorship by the extreme right, 
> typically through the merging of state and business leadership, 
> together with an ideology of belligerent nationalism. 2. The 
> governmental system of Italy under Benito Mussolini from 1922 to 
> 1943.
> fascist n. 1. A person who advocates or practices fascism. 2. A 
> person who belongs to a Fascist organization."

This Yankee dictionary is wrong. You will notice though that there is nothing
here about "anti-Semitism" or "racism", both of which can exist under other
systems and neither of which are inherent in either fascism or Nazism.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Thu Jan 25 08:56:35 PST 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Evidence of a World Zionist Conspiracy Part 1
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In article 
           t08o@unb.ca "MORRISON  KEITH MURRAY" writes:

 
> What differentiates people like Lincoln (and people like him) from your 
> average racist is that they believed that yes, there were racial differences 
> but they were unimportant in the grand scheme of things.  Everyone deserved 
> the same opportunities and the right to succeed as much as they are capable 
> of.  

I happen to believe that racial differences ARE important; I also happen to
believe in equality of opportunity for all, and I see nothing incompatible
about that. There are plenty of people who regard themselves as "anti-racists"
or even as oppressed minorities who have no qualms about murdering their
oppressors - real and imagined.


> This is a point that racists may not want to consider.  Say they are right.  
> Say that blacks are less intelligent.  What do you want to do about it? 

This is the basis of segregation.

> The 
> fact that there are black scientists and educators and intellectuals clearly 
> indicates that members of the black population are just as capable as any 
> white or asian or whoever.  This alone means they should be given the same 
> opportunities.  Thus any discriminatory action means that you have denied 
> someone from achieving their true capabilities.  The average of the many 
> does not justify denying the rights of the one.

The likes of Wesly George, Putnam and others, and Weyl argue that this denies
no man his opportunity.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Evidence of a World Zionist Conspiracy Part 1
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In article <4e0auu$9sp@curly.cc.emory.edu>
           libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu "william c anderson" writes:

> As for Leon spending most of his time in America:  again, Mr. Baron,
> your peculiar reluctance to look up even the most basic facts is a
> bit puzzling.  Trotsky was in New York for about three months at the
> beginning of 1917; either you're babbling again, or you're using a 
> very eccentric definition of the word "most".

Why don't you read Trotsky's autobiography. There's a brilliant passage in it
where one of his kids says to their mother "Why doesn't the chauffeur come in?"
working class hero indeed. What a prick.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,alt.revisionism,soc.history
Subject: Re: Benjamin Franklin regarding Jews
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In article <4e0b9f$6io@cnn.cc.biu.ac.il>
           schultr@ashur.cc.biu.ac.il "Richard Schultz" writes:
> Salah Jafar (Sjafar.earthlink.net) wrote:
> : He said the following in 1789 regarding Jewish immigration:
> : "There is a great danger for the United States of America. 
> : This great danger is the Jews gentlment, in which every land 
> : the Jews have settled they have depressed the moral level and 
> : lowered the degree of commercial honosty. . ." [etc.]
> 
> What no one seems to have asked yet is what evidence is there that
> this so-called "statement from Benjamin Franklin" was actually written
> by Benjamin Franklin?  

It is, it was invented by William Dudley Pelley, I believe. I'll have to look
it up. You'll find it in George & Boller's book. 

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,alt.internet.media-coverage,alt.censorship,alt.politics.nationalism.white
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In article <822223058snz@augur.demon.co.uk>
           Caesar@augur.demon.co.uk "Caesar" writes:
> Fascists have never backed freedom of speech, so it's hypocrtical
> for them to attack some on the left who condem racist and
> sexist speech. 
> 
> How many vocal opponents of Hitler or Mussolini survived during
> their reign?

Who decides who is "racist" or "sexist". YOU, Simon Wiesenthal? Andrea
Dworkin?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Baron, Oprah, and Ritual Murder
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In article <4dthlc$4dc@access2.digex.net>
           mstein@access2.digex.net "Michael P. Stein" writes:

> 
>     Indeed, you seem to be the one engaging in invalid reasoning when you 
> said:
> 
> >Who else has written that SS man Wagner threw this "gassed" baby into 
> >the oven?
> 
>     "Your honor, no other witness has come forward to support this
> witness's testimony, therefore it is proved beyond a reasonable doubt that
> this witness has committed perjury."  Oh boy indeed. 
> 
>     But then, we have long known that the distinction between "proved 
> false" and "not proved true" is one you are congenitally incapable of 
> understanding.

What you're saying is that any allegation however spurious or concocted is
"not proven" because it has not been proven definitely not to have happened.
Let's extend that to ritual murder and the meetings of the Elders of Zion.

Mike, you're talking rot.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article 
           joelr@winternet.com "Joel Rosenberg" writes:

 
> Even as stopped a clock as ol' Al Baron is right twice a day.  Unfortunately, 
> he's wrong about Metger, as was proved in court.  Fortunately, he's right 
> about the SWC and the ADL -- after years of earning their bona fides, they get 
> listened to.

Who listens to Metzger? Simon Wiesenthal proved his "bona fides" by misleading 
the world about Mengele and finding "war criminals" where there were none. The
ADL proves its "bona fides" by smearing 1 in 5 Americans as anti-Semitic and 
spying on such organisations as Greenpeace. They have both lied through their
teeth about their perceived enemies. But they are Jewish, so this doesn't count.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: "revisionists" at UCLA?
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In article <4dvfd8$12lc@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:

> No, no, no, Mr. Baron, there is no "conspiracy"; it is a matter rather
> of "mass collusion," as you yourself have said:

As I have said before, the word conspiracy isused in different contexts. When
many people use this word they mean mass collusion rather than the Elders of 
Zion.
 
>    There is an enormous problem of evidence here: you and others
>    keep asking for evidence, evidence, evidence. When people lie
>    so systematically it is virtually impossible to adduce evidence;
>    I am not talking here about conspiracy but about the sort of
>    mass collusion one finds everywhere. Added to this the restrictions
>    - and smears - that are placed on Revisionist scholars and it
>    should be abundantly clear that the Court Historians are not
>    really interested in researching this subject regardless of the
>    consequences. If nothing else they are fearful for their lucrative
>    sinecures.
> 
> So there you have it, Mr. Berson. Mr. Baron has no evidence whatsoever
> to support any argument that he might care to make about about the
> Holocaust. He denies it because it suits him to deny it. And he
> insults your teachers gratuitously into the bargain.

On the contrary, I have adduced plenty of evidence which you and your ilk
ignore. Remember that it is the Holocaust dogmatists such as the Organisation
of French Historians who tell us that the Holocaust is a matter of faith, that
we must believe it or else.

Incidentally, my "tribute" to Britain's police documents a number of proven
Zionist-inspired lies about the Holocaust irrefutably. I bet the bastards
don't refer this one to the Attorney General.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,alt.internet.media-coverage,alt.censorship
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In article <310280c5.6849432@news.dnai.com> lizard@dnai.com "Lizard" writes:

> But let me ask YOU a question, a more serious one. Statistically, I'm
> willing to bet the average Jew is more likely to be killed by a member
> of a street gang than by a member of a neo-fascist group. I'm willing
> to bet, without checking the stats, that the odds are better than 5 to
> 1. (That is, five times more likely to be killed by a street gang
> member than by a skinhead)
> 
> So then:Why does not the Wiesenthal Center *first* focus on shutting
> down sites which contain "gangsta rap", graffitti appreciation, and
> other such 'pro-gang' information? Why not go after the larger threat
> before the smaller one?

Hear hear. The average Jew is probably more likely to be killed by his wife
just like the rest of the population.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4e0t6i$pm5@curly.cc.emory.edu>
           libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu "william c anderson" writes:

> In other words, 60 Minutes asked Bradley for an interview, he refused, 
> and they reported his refusal.  Pretty sinister, I admit.

I understand Smith's - or anyone's reluctance - to be traduced in such a manner.
My pamphlet POISON ON THE RATES has just been the subject of an article in a
national circulation magazine which totally ignores the fact that it exposes
a charity that is distributing hate literature and puts it down as a bigoted
attack on wonderful homosexuals. You can achieve almost anything with
creative editing, as every Exterminationist must know, a la the Gerstein report
etc.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article 
           mvanalst@rbi.com "Mark Van Alstine" writes:
> > 
> > This Yankee dictionary is wrong. You will notice though that there is nothing
> > here about "anti-Semitism" or "racism", both of which can exist under other
> > systems and neither of which are inherent in either fascism or Nazism.
> 
> You're being disingenous again, Baron. While it _is_ true that
> anti-Semitism or racism is not inherent in your "typical" fascist state,
> that was hardly the case for the Nazis. 

Not at all and I never am in this newsgroup.
> 
> Hitler told Rauschning: "Two worlds face one another--the men of God and
> men of Satan! The Jew is the anti-man, the creature of another god. He
> must have come from another root of the human race. I set the Aryan and
> the Jew over and against each other." (Rauschning, _Hitler Speaks_ , p.
> 238) 

That's because Hitler was an anti-Semite. Might I remind you that anti-Semitism
was invented by Christians and that the early Christians were all Jews?

> On October 2, 1933, Helmut Nicolai, who was closely following NSDAP party
> doctrine, said in an address to German laywers: "When we utter the word
> 'race' we are sounding the leitmotiv of National Socialism and the
> National Socialist state. There is absolutely nothing that we, that the
> state, do not consider or appraise under the aspect of race." (Nicolai,
> _Rasse und Recht_, p.5)
> 
> It is quite clear that Nazism was anti-Semitic racial fascism. Hardly your
> "garden" variety. 

Then why did the Dutch Nazi Party admit Jewish members up until 1938? Why did
Mussolini have a Jewish mistress at one time and Jews in his government. And 
why are the fucking Israelis natural born fascists? Stop talking twaddle.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4e3dcs$41q@larry.cc.emory.edu>
           libwca@larry.cc.emory.edu "william c anderson" writes:


> Would an 
> physics department hire a professor who asserted a disbelief in the
> laws of thermodynamics?  What about a medical professor who holds that
> human beings do not have livers--are his free speech rights violated
> by Harvard Medical School's refusal to put him on the faculty?

Your analogy is bullshit. The Exterminationist and orthodox line is not
"Believe this because it's true and here's the proof" but "Believe this or
or else."

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Franklin Forgery Again (Re: Benjamin Franklin regarding Jews)
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> Another good source for a discussion of the Ben Franklin hoax is Morris 
> Kominsky's excellent (but hard to find) book, "Hoaxers: Plain Liars, 
> Fancy Liars and Damned Liars" Branden Press 1970 (Availble through 
> inter-library loan via Woodbridge New Jersey public Library--I xeroxed 
> most of it)

Kominsky's book is part excellent part crap. I believe at once point he
ridicules the claim that the Soviets were behind Katyn.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Evidence of a World Zionist Conspiracy Part 1
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In article 
           t08o@unb.ca "MORRISON  KEITH MURRAY" writes:

 
> What differentiates people like Lincoln (and people like him) from your 
> average racist is that they believed that yes, there were racial differences 
> but they were unimportant in the grand scheme of things.  Everyone deserved 
> the same opportunities and the right to succeed as much as they are capable 
> of.  

I happen to believe that racial differences ARE important; I also happen to
believe in equality of opportunity for all, and I see nothing incompatible
about that. There are plenty of people who regard themselves as "anti-racists"
or even as oppressed minorities who have no qualms about murdering their
oppressors - real and imagined.


> This is a point that racists may not want to consider.  Say they are right.  
> Say that blacks are less intelligent.  What do you want to do about it? 

This is the basis of segregation.

> The 
> fact that there are black scientists and educators and intellectuals clearly 
> indicates that members of the black population are just as capable as any 
> white or asian or whoever.  This alone means they should be given the same 
> opportunities.  Thus any discriminatory action means that you have denied 
> someone from achieving their true capabilities.  The average of the many 
> does not justify denying the rights of the one.

The likes of Wesly George, Putnam and others, and Weyl argue that this denies
no man his opportunity.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Evidence of a World Zionist Conspiracy Part 1
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In article <4e0auu$9sp@curly.cc.emory.edu>
           libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu "william c anderson" writes:

> As for Leon spending most of his time in America:  again, Mr. Baron,
> your peculiar reluctance to look up even the most basic facts is a
> bit puzzling.  Trotsky was in New York for about three months at the
> beginning of 1917; either you're babbling again, or you're using a 
> very eccentric definition of the word "most".

Why don't you read Trotsky's autobiography. There's a brilliant passage in it
where one of his kids says to their mother "Why doesn't the chauffeur come in?"
working class hero indeed. What a prick.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,alt.revisionism,soc.history
Subject: Re: Benjamin Franklin regarding Jews
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In article <4e0b9f$6io@cnn.cc.biu.ac.il>
           schultr@ashur.cc.biu.ac.il "Richard Schultz" writes:
> Salah Jafar (Sjafar.earthlink.net) wrote:
> : He said the following in 1789 regarding Jewish immigration:
> : "There is a great danger for the United States of America. 
> : This great danger is the Jews gentlment, in which every land 
> : the Jews have settled they have depressed the moral level and 
> : lowered the degree of commercial honosty. . ." [etc.]
> 
> What no one seems to have asked yet is what evidence is there that
> this so-called "statement from Benjamin Franklin" was actually written
> by Benjamin Franklin?  

It is, it was invented by William Dudley Pelley, I believe. I'll have to look
it up. You'll find it in George & Boller's book. 

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article <822223058snz@augur.demon.co.uk>
           Caesar@augur.demon.co.uk "Caesar" writes:
> Fascists have never backed freedom of speech, so it's hypocrtical
> for them to attack some on the left who condem racist and
> sexist speech. 
> 
> How many vocal opponents of Hitler or Mussolini survived during
> their reign?

Who decides who is "racist" or "sexist". YOU, Simon Wiesenthal? Andrea
Dworkin?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4dthlc$4dc@access2.digex.net>
           mstein@access2.digex.net "Michael P. Stein" writes:

> 
>     Indeed, you seem to be the one engaging in invalid reasoning when you 
> said:
> 
> >Who else has written that SS man Wagner threw this "gassed" baby into 
> >the oven?
> 
>     "Your honor, no other witness has come forward to support this
> witness's testimony, therefore it is proved beyond a reasonable doubt that
> this witness has committed perjury."  Oh boy indeed. 
> 
>     But then, we have long known that the distinction between "proved 
> false" and "not proved true" is one you are congenitally incapable of 
> understanding.

What you're saying is that any allegation however spurious or concocted is
"not proven" because it has not been proven definitely not to have happened.
Let's extend that to ritual murder and the meetings of the Elders of Zion.

Mike, you're talking rot.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article 
           joelr@winternet.com "Joel Rosenberg" writes:

 
> Even as stopped a clock as ol' Al Baron is right twice a day.  Unfortunately, 
> he's wrong about Metger, as was proved in court.  Fortunately, he's right 
> about the SWC and the ADL -- after years of earning their bona fides, they get 
> listened to.

Who listens to Metzger? Simon Wiesenthal proved his "bona fides" by misleading 
the world about Mengele and finding "war criminals" where there were none. The
ADL proves its "bona fides" by smearing 1 in 5 Americans as anti-Semitic and 
spying on such organisations as Greenpeace. They have both lied through their
teeth about their perceived enemies. But they are Jewish, so this doesn't count.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
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Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: "revisionists" at UCLA?
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In article <4dvfd8$12lc@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:

> No, no, no, Mr. Baron, there is no "conspiracy"; it is a matter rather
> of "mass collusion," as you yourself have said:

As I have said before, the word conspiracy isused in different contexts. When
many people use this word they mean mass collusion rather than the Elders of 
Zion.
 
>    There is an enormous problem of evidence here: you and others
>    keep asking for evidence, evidence, evidence. When people lie
>    so systematically it is virtually impossible to adduce evidence;
>    I am not talking here about conspiracy but about the sort of
>    mass collusion one finds everywhere. Added to this the restrictions
>    - and smears - that are placed on Revisionist scholars and it
>    should be abundantly clear that the Court Historians are not
>    really interested in researching this subject regardless of the
>    consequences. If nothing else they are fearful for their lucrative
>    sinecures.
> 
> So there you have it, Mr. Berson. Mr. Baron has no evidence whatsoever
> to support any argument that he might care to make about about the
> Holocaust. He denies it because it suits him to deny it. And he
> insults your teachers gratuitously into the bargain.

On the contrary, I have adduced plenty of evidence which you and your ilk
ignore. Remember that it is the Holocaust dogmatists such as the Organisation
of French Historians who tell us that the Holocaust is a matter of faith, that
we must believe it or else.

Incidentally, my "tribute" to Britain's police documents a number of proven
Zionist-inspired lies about the Holocaust irrefutably. I bet the bastards
don't refer this one to the Attorney General.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <310280c5.6849432@news.dnai.com> lizard@dnai.com "Lizard" writes:

> But let me ask YOU a question, a more serious one. Statistically, I'm
> willing to bet the average Jew is more likely to be killed by a member
> of a street gang than by a member of a neo-fascist group. I'm willing
> to bet, without checking the stats, that the odds are better than 5 to
> 1. (That is, five times more likely to be killed by a street gang
> member than by a skinhead)
> 
> So then:Why does not the Wiesenthal Center *first* focus on shutting
> down sites which contain "gangsta rap", graffitti appreciation, and
> other such 'pro-gang' information? Why not go after the larger threat
> before the smaller one?

Hear hear. The average Jew is probably more likely to be killed by his wife
just like the rest of the population.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4e0t6i$pm5@curly.cc.emory.edu>
           libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu "william c anderson" writes:

> In other words, 60 Minutes asked Bradley for an interview, he refused, 
> and they reported his refusal.  Pretty sinister, I admit.

I understand Smith's - or anyone's reluctance - to be traduced in such a manner.
My pamphlet POISON ON THE RATES has just been the subject of an article in a
national circulation magazine which totally ignores the fact that it exposes
a charity that is distributing hate literature and puts it down as a bigoted
attack on wonderful homosexuals. You can achieve almost anything with
creative editing, as every Exterminationist must know, a la the Gerstein report
etc.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article 
           mvanalst@rbi.com "Mark Van Alstine" writes:
> > 
> > This Yankee dictionary is wrong. You will notice though that there is nothing
> > here about "anti-Semitism" or "racism", both of which can exist under other
> > systems and neither of which are inherent in either fascism or Nazism.
> 
> You're being disingenous again, Baron. While it _is_ true that
> anti-Semitism or racism is not inherent in your "typical" fascist state,
> that was hardly the case for the Nazis. 

Not at all and I never am in this newsgroup.
> 
> Hitler told Rauschning: "Two worlds face one another--the men of God and
> men of Satan! The Jew is the anti-man, the creature of another god. He
> must have come from another root of the human race. I set the Aryan and
> the Jew over and against each other." (Rauschning, _Hitler Speaks_ , p.
> 238) 

That's because Hitler was an anti-Semite. Might I remind you that anti-Semitism
was invented by Christians and that the early Christians were all Jews?

> On October 2, 1933, Helmut Nicolai, who was closely following NSDAP party
> doctrine, said in an address to German laywers: "When we utter the word
> 'race' we are sounding the leitmotiv of National Socialism and the
> National Socialist state. There is absolutely nothing that we, that the
> state, do not consider or appraise under the aspect of race." (Nicolai,
> _Rasse und Recht_, p.5)
> 
> It is quite clear that Nazism was anti-Semitic racial fascism. Hardly your
> "garden" variety. 

Then why did the Dutch Nazi Party admit Jewish members up until 1938? Why did
Mussolini have a Jewish mistress at one time and Jews in his government. And 
why are the fucking Israelis natural born fascists? Stop talking twaddle.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4e3dcs$41q@larry.cc.emory.edu>
           libwca@larry.cc.emory.edu "william c anderson" writes:


> Would an 
> physics department hire a professor who asserted a disbelief in the
> laws of thermodynamics?  What about a medical professor who holds that
> human beings do not have livers--are his free speech rights violated
> by Harvard Medical School's refusal to put him on the faculty?

Your analogy is bullshit. The Exterminationist and orthodox line is not
"Believe this because it's true and here's the proof" but "Believe this or
or else."

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> Another good source for a discussion of the Ben Franklin hoax is Morris 
> Kominsky's excellent (but hard to find) book, "Hoaxers: Plain Liars, 
> Fancy Liars and Damned Liars" Branden Press 1970 (Availble through 
> inter-library loan via Woodbridge New Jersey public Library--I xeroxed 
> most of it)

Kominsky's book is part excellent part crap. I believe at once point he
ridicules the claim that the Soviets were behind Katyn.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article 
           cendbj@bonaly.hw.ac.uk "David Johnston" writes:

> This is the one I always love. To summarise;
> 
> 1. Jews have been persecuted for years

So have the Palestinians, the Quakers, the Christians (mostly by other Christians),
the Chinese and sundry others.
 
> 2. Therefore, there must be something about them that means they invite 
> persecution.

A not unreasonable assumption.
 
> 3. This means it's all their fault.

Maybe it's partly their fault? Not all Jews disagree with this.
 
> 4. Despite this, the Holocaust never happened.

Typica]ly overstating the case: the Holocaust happened, but what happened in
the Holocaust? Gas chambers, etc?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Thu Jan 25 14:22:45 PST 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Simon Wiesenthal Center Attempts to Censor Internet
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In article <822223058snz@augur.demon.co.uk>
           Caesar@augur.demon.co.uk "Caesar" writes:
> Fascists have never backed freedom of speech, so it's hypocrtical
> for them to attack some on the left who condem racist and
> sexist speech. 
> 
> How many vocal opponents of Hitler or Mussolini survived during
> their reign?

Who decides who is "racist" or "sexist". YOU, Simon Wiesenthal? Andrea
Dworkin?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Thu Jan 25 14:31:04 PST 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Evidence of a World Zionist Conspiracy Part 1
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In article 
           t08o@unb.ca "MORRISON  KEITH MURRAY" writes:

 
> What differentiates people like Lincoln (and people like him) from your 
> average racist is that they believed that yes, there were racial differences 
> but they were unimportant in the grand scheme of things.  Everyone deserved 
> the same opportunities and the right to succeed as much as they are capable 
> of.  

I happen to believe that racial differences ARE important; I also happen to
believe in equality of opportunity for all, and I see nothing incompatible
about that. There are plenty of people who regard themselves as "anti-racists"
or even as oppressed minorities who have no qualms about murdering their
oppressors - real and imagined.


> This is a point that racists may not want to consider.  Say they are right.  
> Say that blacks are less intelligent.  What do you want to do about it? 

This is the basis of segregation.

> The 
> fact that there are black scientists and educators and intellectuals clearly 
> indicates that members of the black population are just as capable as any 
> white or asian or whoever.  This alone means they should be given the same 
> opportunities.  Thus any discriminatory action means that you have denied 
> someone from achieving their true capabilities.  The average of the many 
> does not justify denying the rights of the one.

The likes of Wesly George, Putnam and others, and Weyl argue that this denies
no man his opportunity.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Evidence of a World Zionist Conspiracy Part 1
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In article <4e0auu$9sp@curly.cc.emory.edu>
           libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu "william c anderson" writes:

> As for Leon spending most of his time in America:  again, Mr. Baron,
> your peculiar reluctance to look up even the most basic facts is a
> bit puzzling.  Trotsky was in New York for about three months at the
> beginning of 1917; either you're babbling again, or you're using a 
> very eccentric definition of the word "most".

Why don't you read Trotsky's autobiography. There's a brilliant passage in it
where one of his kids says to their mother "Why doesn't the chauffeur come in?"
working class hero indeed. What a prick.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Thu Jan 25 14:31:07 PST 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,alt.internet.media-coverage,alt.censorship
Subject: Re: Simon Wiesenthal Center Attempts to Censor Internet
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In article 
           joelr@winternet.com "Joel Rosenberg" writes:

 
> Even as stopped a clock as ol' Al Baron is right twice a day.  Unfortunately, 
> he's wrong about Metger, as was proved in court.  Fortunately, he's right 
> about the SWC and the ADL -- after years of earning their bona fides, they get 
> listened to.

Who listens to Metzger? Simon Wiesenthal proved his "bona fides" by misleading 
the world about Mengele and finding "war criminals" where there were none. The
ADL proves its "bona fides" by smearing 1 in 5 Americans as anti-Semitic and 
spying on such organisations as Greenpeace. They have both lied through their
teeth about their perceived enemies. But they are Jewish, so this doesn't count.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,alt.internet.media-coverage,alt.censorship
Subject: Re: proof by assertion  (was ACLU on Internet Censorship)
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In article <310280c5.6849432@news.dnai.com> lizard@dnai.com "Lizard" writes:

> But let me ask YOU a question, a more serious one. Statistically, I'm
> willing to bet the average Jew is more likely to be killed by a member
> of a street gang than by a member of a neo-fascist group. I'm willing
> to bet, without checking the stats, that the odds are better than 5 to
> 1. (That is, five times more likely to be killed by a street gang
> member than by a skinhead)
> 
> So then:Why does not the Wiesenthal Center *first* focus on shutting
> down sites which contain "gangsta rap", graffitti appreciation, and
> other such 'pro-gang' information? Why not go after the larger threat
> before the smaller one?

Hear hear. The average Jew is probably more likely to be killed by his wife
just like the rest of the population.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article 
           mvanalst@rbi.com "Mark Van Alstine" writes:
> > 
> > This Yankee dictionary is wrong. You will notice though that there is nothing
> > here about "anti-Semitism" or "racism", both of which can exist under other
> > systems and neither of which are inherent in either fascism or Nazism.
> 
> You're being disingenous again, Baron. While it _is_ true that
> anti-Semitism or racism is not inherent in your "typical" fascist state,
> that was hardly the case for the Nazis. 

Not at all and I never am in this newsgroup.
> 
> Hitler told Rauschning: "Two worlds face one another--the men of God and
> men of Satan! The Jew is the anti-man, the creature of another god. He
> must have come from another root of the human race. I set the Aryan and
> the Jew over and against each other." (Rauschning, _Hitler Speaks_ , p.
> 238) 

That's because Hitler was an anti-Semite. Might I remind you that anti-Semitism
was invented by Christians and that the early Christians were all Jews?

> On October 2, 1933, Helmut Nicolai, who was closely following NSDAP party
> doctrine, said in an address to German laywers: "When we utter the word
> 'race' we are sounding the leitmotiv of National Socialism and the
> National Socialist state. There is absolutely nothing that we, that the
> state, do not consider or appraise under the aspect of race." (Nicolai,
> _Rasse und Recht_, p.5)
> 
> It is quite clear that Nazism was anti-Semitic racial fascism. Hardly your
> "garden" variety. 

Then why did the Dutch Nazi Party admit Jewish members up until 1938? Why did
Mussolini have a Jewish mistress at one time and Jews in his government. And 
why are the fucking Israelis natural born fascists? Stop talking twaddle.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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I've just upgraded so may have some problems with messages over the
next week or so. Let me know if you don't get my E-mail!

-- 

Alexander Baron: InFoText Manuscripts

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In article <4e6jhf$21p@shiva.usa.net> hkatz@earth.usa.net "Harry Katz" writes:

> The point being made is that Mr. Baron cannot get his historical
> facts correct.  The point had nothing whatsoever to do with whether
> Trotsky was a "working class hero" or not.

Working class hero? The man who shot workers "like ducks in a pond" ??

> 
> Furthermore, consider the citation Mr. Baron gives from Trotsky's
> autobiography.  Mr. Baron never gives the response to the question.
> Knowing his past performance record with original sources it is
> entirely likely that he cut out a favorable and sympathetic response
> because it did not fit his need to vilify Trotsky.


Harry, Trotsky's own father vilified Trotsky. If I were you I wouldn't boast
about him anymore than those wicked Aryan goyim should boast about Hitler. At
least Hitler never claimed to be a friend of the Jews.

-- 

Alexander Baron: InFoText Manuscripts

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> As even our crazy "revisionists" admit, there are still cyanide
> traces on the walls of the gas chamber in Auschwitz I. People
> were gassed in that chamber, although in smaller numbers than in 
> the gas chambers later built in Auschwitz II (Birkenau).
> 
> Here are two (among many) testimonies about gassing in this
> gas chamber.
> 

I've had a chance to look at this book now Dan, and I'm a lot less impressed
with it than you. So all 30,000+ Jews at Babi Yar were dispatched by 2 men
were they? Yeah, sure Dan. If I were you I wouldn't boast about this one.

-- 

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"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
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In article <4e2p26$j2l@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:

>         
>Unfortunately, each of those charges is objectively provable.  Moran is 
> gutless.  Moran is ignorant.  Moran hates Jews. 

Perhaps he only hates "lovely" Jews like you Yale.

-- 

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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,alt.internet.media-coverage,alt.censorship
Subject: Re: Simon Wiesenthal Center Attempts to Censor Internet
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In article 
           joelr@winternet.com "Joel Rosenberg" writes:
> 
> The fellows who murdered Seraw did; that was proven in court.
> 
> Didn't you know that, Al?  

You should read Laird Wilcox on this. By the same token we should outlaw
The Torah - because the assassin of Yitzhak Rabin "listened" to that.
God - because the Yorskshire Ripper - who murdered 13 women listened to him.
The Beatles - because Charles Manson listened to them
The Koran - poor Salman Rushdie.

And so on.

In short, your logic is defective. I believe that Metzger has also worked with
Black Separatists. Perhaps it's not "racism" that is evil but some of the people
who get involved with it.

-- 

Alexander Baron: InFoText Manuscripts

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
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In article <4e72n6$ggn@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:


> Rabbis.  One of them, you now inform us, is a psuedonym for a child molester.

No, Harry informed you of that.

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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Evidence of a World Zionist Conspiracy Part 1
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In article <4e6jhf$21p@shiva.usa.net> hkatz@earth.usa.net "Harry Katz" writes:

> The point being made is that Mr. Baron cannot get his historical
> facts correct.  The point had nothing whatsoever to do with whether
> Trotsky was a "working class hero" or not.

Working class hero? The man who shot workers "like ducks in a pond" ??

> 
> Furthermore, consider the citation Mr. Baron gives from Trotsky's
> autobiography.  Mr. Baron never gives the response to the question.
> Knowing his past performance record with original sources it is
> entirely likely that he cut out a favorable and sympathetic response
> because it did not fit his need to vilify Trotsky.


Harry, Trotsky's own father vilified Trotsky. If I were you I wouldn't boast
about him anymore than those wicked Aryan goyim should boast about Hitler. At
least Hitler never claimed to be a friend of the Jews.

-- 

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"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,alt.internet.media-coverage,alt.censorship
Subject: Re: Simon Wiesenthal Center Attempts to Censor Internet
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In article 
           joelr@winternet.com "Joel Rosenberg" writes:
> 
> The fellows who murdered Seraw did; that was proven in court.
> 
> Didn't you know that, Al?  

You should read Laird Wilcox on this. By the same token we should outlaw
The Torah - because the assassin of Yitzhak Rabin "listened" to that.
God - because the Yorskshire Ripper - who murdered 13 women listened to him.
The Beatles - because Charles Manson listened to them
The Koran - poor Salman Rushdie.

And so on.

In short, your logic is defective. I believe that Metzger has also worked with
Black Separatists. Perhaps it's not "racism" that is evil but some of the people
who get involved with it.

-- 

Alexander Baron: InFoText Manuscripts

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Evidence of a World Zionist Conspiracy Part 1
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In article 
           t08o@unb.ca "MORRISON  KEITH MURRAY" writes:
> 
> Secondly, I already knew there were succesful racists, Henry Ford being one 
> of the most notorious.

Henry Ford was no "racist", nor was he an anti-Semite in the proper sense of the
word. He was an ascetic conservative who became hooked on an idea, the Protocols
of Zion and its related ideology. And the louder the Jews screamed, the more
he believed it.

-- 

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In article 
> :Wrong, the Himmler speech exists as an partial audio recording :  [cf 
> :Reitlinger, the Jewish Antique dealer who wrote the anti-german and 
> :defamatory book  called The Final Solution  [1968] page 317]   

I don't agree with that, I think Reitlinger's book is honest; it just happens
to be wrong. Butz speaks very highly of it.

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In article <4e74g2$a10@nimitz.fibr.net> hmazal@txdirect.net  writes:

> If he had any sense he would stick to the subjects that he knows (if any).

Like litigation? It's fun and its profitable.

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Subject: Re: Graves: I'm Not a Nazi
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In article 
           mvanalst@rbi.com "Mark Van Alstine" writes:

> Do you offer proof that Jewish leaders _did_ approve of the Nuremburg
> Laws? Which Jewish leaders? Did Jews in general also approve of the
> Nuremburg Laws? Where the Jews consulted, regarding any concerns- and
> their equitable solution -by the Nazis in the formation of the laws? 

That really is a stupid remark: the Jewish religion forbids marrying out.
In 1993 Organised Jewry in Britain launched an organisation called Jewish
Continuity, to preserve Jewish culture and heritage - and this is largely a
secular organisation.

Adolf Hitler organised "Aryan continuity".


-- 

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In article <4ea3fo$1pqm@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:

> > Remember that it is the Holocaust dogmatists such as the Organisation
> >of French Historians who tell us that the Holocaust is a matter of faith, that
> >we must believe it or else.
> 
> Just for old times sake, would you care to cite an unequivocal
> statement to that effect from the French Historians? Thought not.


The Hitler Policy of Extermination: A Declaration by the Historians

"It is not necessary to ask oneself how, technically, such a mass murder was 
possible. It was possible technically because it took place...there is not, 
there cannot be, any debate on the existence of the gas chambers." 

It happened and the proof it that it happened, and don't you ever forget it.

  
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In article <4e9umm$m1e@nimitz.fibr.net> hmazal@txdirect.net  writes:

> As a self-described bastard

Let me get this straight Harry, everyone who is born out of wedlock is...

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In article <4ea0g0$m1e@nimitz.fibr.net> hmazal@txdirect.net  writes:
   
> Perhaps the anonymous poster who hides behind the pseudonym of
> rs241@delphi.com might be so kind as to post page 205 in its 
> entirety, rather than telling us that so-and-so said this or that. He/she
> should be cautioned that there are many readers of this newsgroup 
> who own a copy of the book.  

The Jewish Chronicle is on DELPHI. Not that I'm suggesting anything.

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In article <4e9kgm$76t@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:

> >  Why is it considered "anti-Semitic" to believe in the Protocols? After all,
> >  is it so outrageous to believe that a clique of Jews could sit down to plot
> >  to take over the world?
> 
>         Because the idea is silly.  Only a lying anti-Semite like you could
>  even 
> credit it for a second.

The idea that a group of extremely powerful people would sit down and plot to
enslave the world is stupid. Stalin didn't want to enslave the world? Nor did
Hitler? 

What other silly ideas do you laugh at Yale?

The idea that a race of men at the North Pole live in ice houses, have no
necks and rub noses with their wives instead of kiss?

The idea that the world is spherical?

The idea that disease is caused by microscopic organisms rather than sin?

The idea that a registered charity in North London stocks "literature" that
incites the murders of police officers and is funded by local and national 
government to do so?

The idea that the Nazis transported Jews hundreds of miles across Europe in
the war to gas them with an insecticide, buried the bodies, exhumed them then
burned them instead of shooting them on the spot in their home countries?

What other "silly" ideas do you dismiss out of hand, Yale?

> > After all, other religions have practiced
> >  ritual murder, including the druids (ie the ancient Britons).
> 
>  Because the facts are that in 3000 years of history the Jewish religion 
> and the Hebraic Yawehist faith that preceded it has rejected human sacrifice

Including Abraham?

> 
>  Recently a
> >  woman was convicted here of ten murders including of her own daughter. She 
> and
> >  her husband (who committed suicide while awaiting trial) were thought to have> >  practiced cannibalism, and there were ritual aspects to the case.
> 
>         So what?
> 
> >  Yet anyone makes any allegation
> >  against any Jew and just happens to let it slip that he is Jewish and we have> >  this obscene chorus of "ban it, ban it!" and worse. 
> 
>         Sorry to ruin your day but some people object to being lied about.

The fact is that most "Jews" who denounce ritual murder propaganda haven't done
their homework, they just assume it never happened and that anyone who believes
otherwise is an anti-Semite.

>         No-one has ever said that.  What they object to are people like you 
> and your role model, Julius Streicher, who feel that they can make a living by 
> lying about Jews.

a) I do not lie about Jews
b) I do not make a living out of it
c) people like you and all you stand for have to be ruthlessly exposed - Jewish
or not.


-- 

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In article <4eajrb$b35@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>
           kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca "Ken McVay OBC" writes:

> Archive/File: camps/auschwitz deathcamp.03
> Last-modified: 1993/03/26
> 
> From the testimony of Filip Muller, an Auschwitz survivor, Konnilyn Feig
> reports the following account: 
> 
> "Filip Muller, a young Slovakian, arrived early in Auschwitz -- April
> 1942 -- and survived!  

"Anti-Revisionist" Pressac on Filip Mueller (page 181): 
"I offer this account by F. Mueller for what it is worth. Much too late, 
thirty-six years after the event, it is at the limit of credibility. Filip 
Mueller is an important witness, but in choosing to describe material and 
precise facts in a book and in 1979 (1st German edition) he has accumulated 
errors, thus making his account historically dubious. The best approach is to
read it as a novel based on true history."

Jumping bucket and all!

-- 

Alexander Baron: InFoText Manuscripts

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sun Jan 28 07:14:25 PST 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> # However JG Burg [Josef Ginsburg] and David Cole, don't believe 
> # in the 'six million myth' and they're Jews.
> 
> I never denied that there are crazy Jews, just like there are
> crazy non-Jews. 

That shows what a scumbag you are Keren. Berg was an idealist and an anti-Nazi.
He was beaten up by Jewish thugs while visiting his wife's grave in Munich; 
like many Jews he suffered under the Nazis and had no time for them. Unlike you
he wasn't blinded by hate and always put truth on a higher plane than ideology.
When he died the only people who attended his funeral were Revisionists.

Cole is likewise an idealist; he too has been assaulted by those poor, 
persecuted POWERLESS people because he dares to bellow the truth he hates.

Both men have suffered for their beliefs. I've had my apartment raided at the
whim of your hate-mongering co-racialists, I've been slandered to high heaven
and I've been battered with mallets. Burg suffered far worse and Cole hasn't had
it easy either. How badly have you been persecuted Dan? How many times were you
gassed?

All you're really saying is that anyone who doesn't give unqualified approval 
to your officially sanctioned lies is crazy, Jews included.

Crawl back down your hole and share your "lyin' Al" and other innuendo with
your co-racialist and fellow scumbag Harry Mazal. Your sarcasm is even lower
than your commitment to historical truth, which is zero.


-- 

Alexander Baron: InFoText Manuscripts

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sun Jan 28 09:13:44 PST 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Evidence of a World Zionist Conspiracy Part 1
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In article 
           t08o@unb.ca "MORRISON  KEITH MURRAY" writes:

 
> What differentiates people like Lincoln (and people like him) from your 
> average racist is that they believed that yes, there were racial differences 
> but they were unimportant in the grand scheme of things.  Everyone deserved 
> the same opportunities and the right to succeed as much as they are capable 
> of.  

I happen to believe that racial differences ARE important; I also happen to
believe in equality of opportunity for all, and I see nothing incompatible
about that. There are plenty of people who regard themselves as "anti-racists"
or even as oppressed minorities who have no qualms about murdering their
oppressors - real and imagined.


> This is a point that racists may not want to consider.  Say they are right.  
> Say that blacks are less intelligent.  What do you want to do about it? 

This is the basis of segregation.

> The 
> fact that there are black scientists and educators and intellectuals clearly 
> indicates that members of the black population are just as capable as any 
> white or asian or whoever.  This alone means they should be given the same 
> opportunities.  Thus any discriminatory action means that you have denied 
> someone from achieving their true capabilities.  The average of the many 
> does not justify denying the rights of the one.

The likes of Wesly George, Putnam and others, and Weyl argue that this denies
no man his opportunity.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Evidence of a World Zionist Conspiracy Part 1
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In article <4e0auu$9sp@curly.cc.emory.edu>
           libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu "william c anderson" writes:

> As for Leon spending most of his time in America:  again, Mr. Baron,
> your peculiar reluctance to look up even the most basic facts is a
> bit puzzling.  Trotsky was in New York for about three months at the
> beginning of 1917; either you're babbling again, or you're using a 
> very eccentric definition of the word "most".

Why don't you read Trotsky's autobiography. There's a brilliant passage in it
where one of his kids says to their mother "Why doesn't the chauffeur come in?"
working class hero indeed. What a prick.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sun Jan 28 09:13:48 PST 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Benjamin Franklin regarding Jews
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In article <4e0b9f$6io@cnn.cc.biu.ac.il>
           schultr@ashur.cc.biu.ac.il "Richard Schultz" writes:
> Salah Jafar (Sjafar.earthlink.net) wrote:
> : He said the following in 1789 regarding Jewish immigration:
> : "There is a great danger for the United States of America. 
> : This great danger is the Jews gentlment, in which every land 
> : the Jews have settled they have depressed the moral level and 
> : lowered the degree of commercial honosty. . ." [etc.]
> 
> What no one seems to have asked yet is what evidence is there that
> this so-called "statement from Benjamin Franklin" was actually written
> by Benjamin Franklin?  

It is, it was invented by William Dudley Pelley, I believe. I'll have to look
it up. You'll find it in George & Boller's book. 

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article <4e6jhf$21p@shiva.usa.net> hkatz@earth.usa.net "Harry Katz" writes:

> The point being made is that Mr. Baron cannot get his historical
> facts correct.  The point had nothing whatsoever to do with whether
> Trotsky was a "working class hero" or not.

Working class hero? The man who shot workers "like ducks in a pond" ??

> 
> Furthermore, consider the citation Mr. Baron gives from Trotsky's
> autobiography.  Mr. Baron never gives the response to the question.
> Knowing his past performance record with original sources it is
> entirely likely that he cut out a favorable and sympathetic response
> because it did not fit his need to vilify Trotsky.


Harry, Trotsky's own father vilified Trotsky. If I were you I wouldn't boast
about him anymore than those wicked Aryan goyim should boast about Hitler. At
least Hitler never claimed to be a friend of the Jews.

-- 

Alexander Baron: InFoText Manuscripts

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4e0b9f$6io@cnn.cc.biu.ac.il>
           schultr@ashur.cc.biu.ac.il "Richard Schultz" writes:
> Salah Jafar (Sjafar.earthlink.net) wrote:
> : He said the following in 1789 regarding Jewish immigration:
> : "There is a great danger for the United States of America. 
> : This great danger is the Jews gentlment, in which every land 
> : the Jews have settled they have depressed the moral level and 
> : lowered the degree of commercial honosty. . ." [etc.]
> 
> What no one seems to have asked yet is what evidence is there that
> this so-called "statement from Benjamin Franklin" was actually written
> by Benjamin Franklin?  

It is, it was invented by William Dudley Pelley, I believe. I'll have to look
it up. You'll find it in George & Boller's book. 

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <310a5d87.21883285@193.78.33.33>
           dannya@xs4all.nl "Danny A. Nijburg" writes:

> >
> Sorry to have to confirm that the miserable Nazi-twit for once got
> something right, albeit he only mentions half the truth..

What "Nazi-twit" is that?
 
> The NSB, the Dutch national-socialist movement, for a number of years
> tried to keep some distance from their Germen counterparts to position
> themselves as Dutch nationalists. During this period they had a few
> Jewish members.
> 
> When they later, around 1937 moved closer to a pro-German stand, the
> Jews where asked to leave, and the party became openly anti-semitic.

In other words, the party was subverted by anti-Semites. By the same token
the "anti-fascist" movement was violently opposed to homosexuals before the
war. What is this supposed to prove? All I have said is that anti-Semitism
is not an inseparable part of fascist and fascist type ideology.

-- 

Alexander Baron: InFoText Manuscripts

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Subject: Re: ANNE FRANK DIARY - HOW WAS IT FOUND?
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In article <4eavcr$ggn@zippy.cais.net> tm@pacificnet.net "tom moran" writes:

>         I don't plan on reading anything on Anne Frank. I find it of low
> relevance to the main topic of the Holocaust.

Too true, but you should research this subject properly; there is a lot of
genuine confusion over this document. 

-- 

Alexander Baron: InFoText Manuscripts

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In article 
           t08o@unb.ca "MORRISON  KEITH MURRAY" writes:

> Indeed.  Coming from a man who calls a woman a bitch just because she states 
> something he does not agree with, I'd suggest you be the one to lighten up.

Sexism as well, whatever next?

-- 

Alexander Baron: InFoText Manuscripts

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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Subject: Re: Ken McVay v. Lyin' Al
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In article <4ef15h$e22@nimitz.fibr.net> hmazal@txdirect.net  writes:

> And no, it was Mr. Baron who hinted that a child molester was his cell mate. Or
> does he forget the initials that he used after his name?

No Mr Mazal, YOU told me that I was in gaol in 1983 or was it 1985 and stated that
one of my rabbi friends was a child molester. I replied - sarcastically - that
perhaps I had shared a cell with him and could you explain how I had shared
a cell in 1985 with a man I didn't meet until 1990?
 
> While Mr. Baron is on this thread, he might give us a straight answer:
> 
> 1)  Why does he frequent an ex-rabbi who was convicted for child molestation?

Again, the plain truth about "Rabbi Cohen" has been in the public domain since
October 1994, in my expose of Zionist agent David Irving. Curiously, Organised
Jewry - including you - have been totally silent about my thoroughly documented
revelations of Mr Irving. Keep it up, it's doing wonders for my street
credibility.

-- 

Alexander Baron: InFoText Manuscripts

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the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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Subject: Re: NOT SAY ANYTHING TO THE VISITORS [at Auschwitz I]
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> Alexander Baron   wrote:
> 
> # So all 30,000+ Jews at Babi Yar were dispatched by 2 men were they? 
> # Yeah, sure Dan. If I were you I wouldn't boast about this one. 
> 
> This was posted as a response to testimonies about gassing in Auschwitz.
> How Baron connects them with the Babi-Yar massacre is unclear.

> As to the claim that the Jews were murdered by "2 men": where does it
> appear? Perhaps Baron can quote it? Or maybe he's lying again, just 
> like he lied about the testimonies of Schopf, Bendel, Hoessler...

Try page 65.

Dan, if I were you I would stop using that word liar in connection with 
Bendel & Hoessler because although I won't be posting this for many months
I've already got more than enough on this trial to make you look STUPID.
But in the meantime answer me this: did Bendel or did he not state that up
to a thousand people per hour were burnt in the pits? Yes or no.

-- 

Alexander Baron: InFoText Manuscripts

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article 
           schwartz@infinet.com "Sara aka Perrrfect" writes:

> In article <822477810snz@abaron.demon.co.uk>, A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk wrote:
> 
> > This doesn't refer simply to the Holocaust and the dubious testimonies
> of so many
> > survivors, it refers to the wider picture. The message from Dan Keren, Yale,
> > Mr Mazal, the ADL, the Anglo-Jewish Establishment and Organised Jewry
> generally
> > is that 
> > 
> > a) we are special people and need special protection by law
> > b) we never lie
> > c) we have the right to ride roughshod over the rest of mankind
> > d) if you disagree with us on anything you are an anti-Semite.
> > 
> 
> Mr. Baron: Please provide evidence of this "message."
> I've been participating in this group for well over a year, and I've never
> read anything of the sort from those you name.

Organised Jewry and their fellow travellers have all but made Holocaust
Revisionism illegal in Europe.

Dan Keren has refused to admit well-documented lies by survivors.

The 3rd and 4th propositions will become crystal clear if you but read a
few issues of the Jewish Chronicle.

> In fact, it is
> substantially more likely for one of those cited above to admit when
> mistakes have been made than it is for you to ever admit a single error in
> your posts.

That is an absolute lie; I have made many retractions. Dan Keren hasn't made
one. Not a single one.
 
 
> > Let's take the "Protocols of Zion"; I am fully aware of the history of the
> > Protocols and how it was used to incite pogroms, but most people, including
> > Arabs - its greatest adherents today - aren't.
> > 
> But you refuse to believe, along with most scholars, that it is a fake.

I have NEVER believed the Protocols to be genuine; I've done a great deal more
research on it than you and have actually published a bibliography on it.
 
> Not even the Nazis plotted to "take over the world," Mr. Baron. 

I know they didn't, but the war time propaganda was that they did. Or do I
have to give chapter and verse? Haven't you heard of FDR's quarantine speach?
Furthermore, communism has actually - at one time - subdued a substantial 
part of mankind.

>Why is it
> outrageous? The fact that you even have to *ask* shows your ignorance. The
> Protocols are an anti-Semitic tract. Therefore, to believe in them is to
> believe in the anti-Semitism they preach.

You haven't answered the question. The fact is that there are many people who
believe the Protocols to be genuine yet not written by Jews. I happen to believe
they are all wrong, but the fact that they are wrong doesn't make them 
anti-Semites.

> Again, Mr. Baron, I think you are extremely confused. No Jew that I
> know... here, or anywhere else, believes what you have written above. I've
> stated this before: many Jews disagree about many issues regarding
> Judiasm. Pick up a copy of Tikkun and see for yourself. There are many
> Jews, for instance, who are opposed to Zionism. There are many Jews who
> protest the treatment of the Palestinians. The Prime Minister of Israel
> was assassinated by a Jew.

I'm not talking about the boring but benign Jewish religion, I'm talking
about "Jews" who constantly whine about how special they are and how they 
need special protection. I've posted a number of pamphlets here which 
document this, including my public reply to the lies of Organised Jewry.

> That you believe, given this kind of dissent in the Jewish community, that
> there are *any* "Elders" who could create the Protocols is just silly.

I do NOT believe in the Elders of Zion; all I said is why is the idea so
outrageous?

-- 

Alexander Baron: InFoText Manuscripts

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sun Jan 28 23:01:53 PST 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article <4edubn$8u8_001@watstar.uwaterloo.ca>
           YREICHSF@MECHANICAL.uwaterloo.ca "Y Reichsfeld" writes:

>         SInce when is Irving a credible historian? 

Irving is the world's leading Hitler scholar

>Try Hugh R. Trevor Roper 
>         Phd. proffesor of history at Oxford

who authenticated the Hitler Diaries.

> or Allan Bullock

hee hee

 
>         his so called writings are the laughing stock of the academic 
>         community.

Irving is a highly acclaimed historian whose books received enormous acclaim
prior to the Zundel trial; his one gaffe was the PQ 17 book. 
I won't comment here on his sexual preferences; I have documented these, along
with his perjury at the Zundel trial elsewhere.

-- 

Alexander Baron: InFoText Manuscripts

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Tue Jan 30 07:06:31 PST 1996
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Yale Edeiken and racial hatred - time to look in the mirror
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Like the lying, Machiavellian schemer his kind are, Yale Edeiken 
has tried to claim that I support repressive segregation with 
particular reference to Plessy v Ferguson. As I said before, I 
couldn't give a monkey's about whether or not blacks and whites 
travel in separate accommodation, that was not the point of this 
case. Plessy v Ferguson upheld the doctrine of separate but 
equal. This was the important issue, and one cannot understand 
this without looking at the historical background to segregation.

After the South was defeated in the Civil War and plundered by 
carpet-baggers, the people of the South were left with a large 
population - millions - of freed slaves, who were desperately 
poor and for the most part illiterate. The South introduced 
segregation as a survival measure to preserve their standard of 
civilisation and to keep society running in an orderly manner.

This was - to some extent - the reason for the white supremacy 
practiced by the British and others against colonial peoples. It 
would have been not just stupid but suicidal to give these people 
the vote because it takes both intelligence and education to run 
a government. For the same reason schools were segregated. The 
desegregation of the public schools has not led to improved race 
relations but to more racial unrest, all of which is blamed 
automatically on (white) $racism$.

Yale and his kind - Jew and Gentile - are not interested in 
"liberating" the blacks, only in destroying our civilisation. 
Yale's motives are clear, the wicked $Aryan$ "goyim" must be pu-
nished for the Holocaust, ie the gas chambers. Ain't that right 
Yale?

Others have different motives. In the words of Lothrop Stoddard 
(written in 1920): "in every quarter of the globe, in Asia, 
Africa, Latin America, and the United States, Bolshevik agitators 
whisper in the ears of discontented colored men their gospel of 
hatred and revenge. Every nationalist aspiration, every political 
grievance, every social discrimination, is fuel for Bolshevism's 
hellish incitement to racial as well as to class war."

Please don't give me any more shit about peace, love and the 
brotherhood of man, Yale. The reason you and your kind oppose the likes 
of Louis Farrakhan - who has done more for blacks than any Jewish 
or "civil rights" mischief-maker has - is because Farrakhan 
preaches segregation, which would in turn preserve Western civil-
isation. And that's not part of the grand design, is it Yale?

Now crawl back down your hole where you belong.

-- 

Alexander Baron: InFoText Manuscripts

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Wed Jan 31 07:13:09 PST 1996
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In article <4ehmbh$q52@nimitz.fibr.net> hmazal@txdirect.net  writes:

> Mr. Baron thinks that Reitlinger's book is honest but wrong. I wonder
> if Mr. Baron has more education than the average school-leaver that he
> can make such a definitive statement about the book.

Do you prefer Jeff's opinion?

-- 

Alexander Baron: InFoText Manuscripts

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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Subject: Re: Jewish arrogance - the real cause of "anti-Semitism"
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In article <4ehkh0$pqr@nimitz.fibr.net> hmazal@txdirect.net  writes:

> A registered charity in North London stocks "literature that incites the 
> murder of police officers...?"
> 
> Mr. Baron's remaining neurons have flown the coop. Perhaps he could
> identify such a 'registered charity' and offer conclusive proof that they
> incite to murder. What a lot of unmitigated balderdash.
> 
> [The remainder of Mr. Baron's grotesque posturing deleted]

Take your foot out of your mouth Harry, both Mike Stein and David Johnston
have seen the proof of my assertions.

-- 

Alexander Baron: InFoText Manuscripts

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Wed Jan 31 07:13:11 PST 1996
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Subject: Re: Ken McVay v. Lyin' Al
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In article <4eho9r$q52@nimitz.fibr.net> hmazal@txdirect.net  writes:

> Organized Jewery? What a laugh.   As far as Mr. Baron's accusations
> regarding Mr. Irving, I believe that it is something Mr. Irving will soon
> take up with him. 

I sincerely hope he does, in a court of law. He'll have plenty of things to
explain then, like the "love letters" that were stolen from his apartment by
 a certain Mr H...but you know who I'm talking about, don't you Harry?
 

-- 

Alexander Baron: InFoText Manuscripts

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
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In article <4egr2a$feb@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:

> >   Alexander Baron  writes:
> > 
> >  
> >  "It is not necessary to ask oneself how, technically, such a mass murder was 
> >  possible. It was possible technically because it took place...there is not, 
> >  there cannot be, any debate on the existence of the gas chambers." 
> >  
> >  It happened and the proof it that it happened, and don't you ever forget it.
> >  
> >
> >>>>
>         Read it again. Lyin' Al.  It says no such thing.  It says, quite
>  clearly, 
> that the evidence of an event is independent of the proof of the mechanism.  
> To use an analogy we know there was a battle of Hastings in 1066 and that 
> Harold, the kning of England was killed during that battle.  It is irrelevant


On the contrary, it is a declaration that no one must ever challenge the 
perceived "wisdom" of the Holocaust. It took place, end of story. Nothing that
has happened in France since has contradicted this in the slightest.

-- 

Alexander Baron: InFoText Manuscripts

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Wed Jan 31 11:48:07 PST 1996
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Subject: Re: ANNE FRANK DIARY - HOW WAS IT FOUND?
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In article <4ehn4l$q52@nimitz.fibr.net> hmazal@txdirect.net  writes:

> Mr. Baron has admitted to being friendly with an ex-rabbi who was
> convicted of child molestation. One would expect an avowed
> homophobe like Mr. Baron to detest such a dreadful man, Jewish
> or not, but this appears to be not so.

Baron is on friendly terms with a Rabbi; further proof of his anti-Semitism?
IF this Rabbi were what you say he is, surely a grotesque anti-Semite like
Baron wouldn't go within a mile of him. 

> 
> Why can't Mr. Baron explain the circumstance behind this unusual
> friendship?

I have, in my expose of Irving.


-- 

Alexander Baron: InFoText Manuscripts

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4ehetq$4af6@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>
           gmcfee@ibm.net "Gord McFee" writes:

> I must confess, Al, I didn't think it would take you folks too long to lose
> your affection for Irving.

You're forgetting something, my book was published when Irving was still 
flavour of the month with the Revisionists.

-- 

Alexander Baron: InFoText Manuscripts

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Ellis Hillman was an Orthodox Jew and President of the Flat Earth Society.
And a believer in jumping buckets, ryfka soap and frying babies too, no doubt.

-- 

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In article <4ek0op$4ok@nimitz.fibr.net> pgroff@txdirect.net "pgroff" writes:

> >Mr. Baron has admitted to being friendly with an ex-rabbi who was
> >convicted of child molestation. One would expect an avowed
> >homophobe like Mr. Baron to detest such a dreadful man, Jewish
> >or not, but this appears to be not so.

Baron is friendly with rabbi; Mazal admits this; therefore Baron is an
anti-Semite. More twisted logic from the world's master liars.

-- 

Alexander Baron: InFoText Manuscripts

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article <4ek9jp$5r1@nimitz.fibr.net> hmazal@txdirect.net  writes:

> Not as much as how he will be hounded by Irving's revisionist
> friends on this newsgroup should he ever has the courage
> to post his views here.

My dear fellow, my book has been the talk of the far right in Britain. The 
British National Party recently referred to me as "Britain's leading Holocaust
Revisionist" - I am certainly not. They are continuing to stock my publications
yet they know I have no sympathy with their ideology and have in fact published
more than a few disparaging comments about them. Perhaps they know something
you don't know? Perhaps they've seen the material proof?

-- 

Alexander Baron: InFoText Manuscripts

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4emavj$48v@larry.cc.emory.edu>
           libwca@larry.cc.emory.edu "william c anderson" writes:

> So why weren't intelligent, educated blacks allowed to vote, and why
> weren't stupid, ignorant whites prevented from voting?

They were. Specifically in Rhodesia. I wouldn't like to comment on South
Africa - which is a lot more complicated - but the South Africans have 
never had any time for "racists". For example, they once banned a book on
Yasir Arafat because it was offensive to Moslems. 
 
> : Yale and his kind - Jew and Gentile - are not interested in 
> : "liberating" the blacks, only in destroying our civilisation. 
> : Yale's motives are clear, the wicked $Aryan$ "goyim" must be pu-
> : nished for the Holocaust, ie the gas chambers. Ain't that right 
> : Yale?
> 
> Oh, yeah; that's clear all right.  Seen any black helicopters lately,
> Mr. Baron?

You are talking about "conspiracy"; I am talking about organised racial 
hatred.

-- 

Alexander Baron: InFoText Manuscripts

"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


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In article <4eke03$5r1@nimitz.fibr.net> hmazal@txdirect.net  writes:

> Mr. Baron was also quite friendly with Mr. David Irving

I was never "friendly" with David Irving. I had met him precisely twice, 
once at a public meeting, later in circumstances which I have documented in
my book, and in which I wouldn't wish on anyone. Even a slimeball like you.

-- 

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"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy



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