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From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Fri Sep  1 11:43:14 PDT 1995
Article: 1586 of can.politics
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: can.politics,alt.revisionism,alt.skinheads
Subject: Re: The Dachau Gas Chamber exposed!
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In article <422ta4$os8@nic.umass.edu>
           poulin@titan.oit.umass.edu "Joseph L Poulin" writes:

 
>         Not true.  The Hitler was freely elected.  Of course, after
> being elected, he faked the Reichstag fire and took complete power, but
> in the beginning he was elected.

Sefton Delmer, who was certainly in a position to know, said the lunatic
van der Lubbe started the fire on his own and that it was exploited by both
the Nazis and the Communists.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Fri Sep  1 14:22:31 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: c3w  Auschwitz 4,000,000 v @ 1,000,000?
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In article <422prm$hp0@calvino.alaska.net> henri@alaska.net "Henry Ayre" writes:

> dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote:
> >Alexander Baron   wrote:
> >
> ># I don't think you can take seriously anything said, allegedly or 
> ># otherwise, by either Eichmann or Hoess.
> >
> >Why not?

For the same reason I can't take anything you say seriously, they have 
no credibility.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Fri Sep  1 14:22:32 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: The Al Baron Comedy Hour
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In article <422d3l$4h6@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com>
           cfree@ix.netcom.com "Charles Freedberg " writes:
 
>          It is obvious that Mr. Baron can make, but not take, a joke.

1) I take it then that you have never claimed that I advocate the murder of 
Jews?

2) Do you find the murder of Jews humorous? A joke, as you called it?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Fri Sep  1 14:22:33 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Yet another personal attack ...
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> PS - according to Nazi laws, a Jew who was accused of having sex
> with a "pure-blooded German woman" was sentenced to death. I have
> some transcripts from a trial in which a Jewish man (Katzenberger)
> was tried for this.

What about the man who sent a letter to a Jewish lawyer addressed "To the
Jew lawyer". The Jew sued him and he was fined 25 Marks.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Fri Sep  1 14:22:33 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: MY OPINION ON HOLOCAUST
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In article <422otp$77u@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:
 
> I have finally seen this photograph, and yes it is plain that the
> *faces* of the women have been painted in. Now I ask, so what? Were
> the women not naked and not Auschwitz because somebody drew in faces
> after the developing washed them out? What do you think this proves?

These were older women who were "beautified". We have no proof that these
photographs were taken where and when they were said to have been taken, and we
certainly have no proof, nor even evidence, that they were on their way to be 
gassed
 
> >> You have also hinted that photographs of piles of shoes (or was
> >> it boots) are fake. What photographs are these, and what is your
> >> proof that they are fake?

I didn't hint, I stated outright. They are in several books - see below
> >They don't look real; take a closer look in Walendy, Sehn (1957) or th
> >Pictorial History of the Holocaust.
> > 
> >> # Re the L'Express article, I sent a copy to Jeff Roberts and
> >> # I'm hoping he'll scan it in. In English.


> Why bother? I saw a translation of the L'Express article here a couple
> of weeks ago (courtesy of Gord McFee? repost?). It doesn't say what
> Irving wants it to say. All that it says is that the reconstruction of
> Krema I is inaccurate in certain details. It doesn't say that Krema I
> was a fake or that no one was gassed there.

Perhaps you can post it then. The whole article. I can't read French.
-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Fri Sep  1 14:22:34 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: can.politics,alt.revisionism,alt.skinheads
Subject: Re: The Dachau Gas Chamber exposed!
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In article <422ta4$os8@nic.umass.edu>
           poulin@titan.oit.umass.edu "Joseph L Poulin" writes:

 
>         Not true.  The Hitler was freely elected.  Of course, after
> being elected, he faked the Reichstag fire and took complete power, but
> in the beginning he was elected.

Sefton Delmer, who was certainly in a position to know, said the lunatic
van der Lubbe started the fire on his own and that it was exploited by both
the Nazis and the Communists.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Fri Sep  1 14:22:35 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: 'A gassing experiment was carried out'
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

 
> On what evidence do you reject it?

"Scepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy."

"The police invent more than they detect."   Napoleon


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Fri Sep  1 14:22:36 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: A Couple of Answers to M Stein, D Keren and Others
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In article 
 
> I've asked on a number of occasions for specific instances of Rudy Vrba
> "lying." Each time, all I've received from Mr. baron is, "Read it
> yourself. Who could believe that crap?"
>  
> And when I responded that I did read it and did believe it, I got a
> sarcastic insult.

I would call you a liar, but I'll be charitable and suggest that like me your
memory is a little fallible:

1) Vrba claimed to have witnessed gassings for 40 years; at the Zundel trial
he admitted he hadn't.

2) The War Refugee Board Report - for which Vrba is credited as the main author -
contains information which, even if accurate, he couldn't  have known about.

3) There are serious discrepancies between the WRB report and his book.

4) He describes a visit to the camp by Himmler which didn't take place.

5) He describes an air raid that didn't take place.

6) He describes having a love affair in the camp, which, if true, means that
he certainly didn't have such a rough time of it.

7) His book is virtually unreadable and no serious historian would give it
any credibility at all as an historical document; he admitted himself that it 
was an artistic impression.

Satisfied? 

Now, about that real estate in Florida...

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
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The pamphlet I mentioned - LETTERS TO MY DAUGHTER - actually runs to 13
pages rather than a mere 8. That's 5 more pages of whining, wailing and lies.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Fri Sep  1 14:22:37 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Schwarzhuber Testifies About Gassing in Ravensbrueck
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In article 
           schwartz@infinet.com "Sara aka Perrrfect" writes:

> You know, maybe if you HAD been a Jew in Nazi Germany, you might
> understand the implications of what you're saying. But I doubt it.

Private Jewish banks operated in Germany until 1938. In 1940 the Nazis
executed 18 people in Belgium, including 4 soldiers, for anti-Jewish excesses.

  
> If you were a Palestinian in modern Israel, you'd be protesting, shouting,
> throwing rocks at policemen, and maybe even working for some sort of
> detente with the Israelis.
>  
> If you were a Jew in Nazi Germany, you'd be dead.

The Nazis DID NOT murder Jews in peacetime. Contrary to the assertions
of some of the people in this group I have never and would never condone Nazi
atrocities against Jews or anyone. You, on the other hand, don't seem to give
a monkey's about human rights abuses committed by Jews against Palestinians.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Fri Sep  1 14:22:38 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: 6,000,000 minus a few
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In article 
           cendbj@bonaly.hw.ac.uk "David Johnston" writes:

> Can you explain the point of this? I cannot identify anything in this article 
> that would support your claims about the Holocaust. The only reason I can see 
> for you posting it is that you think it may stir up a little more bigotry in 
> the world. 

One of my claims about the Holocaust is that certain Jews have exaggerated it.
Here is proof that some of them did. Very likely this was the tip of an iceberg.
How many more people who were reported "gassed" weren't gassed, or perhaps didn't
even exist?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Fri Sep  1 14:22:39 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: The Zionist Definition Of Anti-Semitism
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In article <42398k$vul@news.missouri.edu>  ** none **   writes:
 
> As for Deir Yassein: there are two sides to the story. The other version states
>  that a group of Arabs started shooting at the Jews a=
> fter the civilians had already surrendered. 

There are two sides to every story, and as usual, Zionist speaks with 
forked tongue. No, I'm not calling you personally a liar. Try reading the 
excellent book ARABS AND ISRAEL FOR BEGINNERS by the American Jew Ron David.
He's not even an anti-Zionist, but he is certainly one angry man. He says 
that anyone who has done the basic research on the Arab-Israeli conflict
cannot for one moment believe the Israeli side "mother goose is more believable
than that". Which is the way I feel about the Holocaust. David accepts all that
at face value by the way, human soap and all. Check him out.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: The Dachau Gas Chamber
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In article <424plo$s4@sol.sun.csd.unb.ca>
           t08o@leda.sun.csd.unb.ca "Keith Morrison" writes:
 
> An autopsy, I thought, was generally used to determine the cause of death
> with certainty.  Throwing a few people (living) in a room, adding HCN and
> then removing said people (dead) from the room would tend to indicate to me
> that they died due to cyanide poisoning (feel free to substitute CO for
> HCN), thus rendering an autopsy somewhat, shall we say, academic.

Yet again you are affirming the consequent, or circulus in probando, or some
other fallacy. You assume these people were gassed. There has never beem any
evidence that they were, much less proof.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sat Sep  2 14:04:16 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Baron on the Value of Testimony (Re: THE WITNESS THE REVISIONIS
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In article 
           mkelley@U.Arizona.EDU "Marty Kelley" writes:
 
> Thank you, Mr. Baron, for offering this as an example of evidence being 
> manipulated.  As a matter of fact, the history of that particular fraud 
> has been well documented; I'll happily go research the specifics.  

If you can give me a printed reference I'd be most grateful; I'll use this
as part of my ongoing research.

> Do you see the difference between 
> this example and your claim that accounts of the Holocaust and Stalinist 
> purges "have been manipulated"?  This manipulation was exposed, and can 
> be independently verified by a number of different means.  

Yes, but just because a lie hasn't been EXPOSED - in reality denounced by
the media and the powers that be doesn't mean it is anything but a lie. 

You know as well as I do that certain subjects are taboo in our society;
for example, all Revisionists are branded Nazis, liars ad nauseum by the media,
largely under pressure (and fear) from powerful Jewish and self-styled anti-
fascist (in reality socialist) organisations.
 
> Any conspiracy of any breadth leaves evidence, usually plenty of it--in 
> the case you cite, a false claim about Kuwaiti babies being left to die 
> was all that was being faked by the perpetrators.  And that false claim 
> was exposed because the attempt to fool the public left evidence.

There is plenty of false evidence regarding the Holocaust for those who
are not wilfully blind.

> Can you document any of your claims of "manipulation" of Holocaust 
> evidence as well as the journalists who exposed the Iraqui-incubator 
> story documented the manipulation of that case?

Well, the human soap lie was reiterated to the world in January and was 
not in the slightest bit condemned by the media. Survivors are constantly 
presented to the world as living proof of Nazi genocide - even though most
of their testimony proves nothing. The pictures of Belsen and Dachau are still
presented to the public as the PROOF of genocide. On top of that you have
all manner of media bias and outright lies which surely even you can see.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sat Sep  2 14:04:18 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.homosexuality
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In article 
           dave@jaguar.mn.csoft.com "David Weigel" writes:
> 
> I was unable to find "The Sexual Dead-End", excellent or otherwise, by a
> Stephen Green in either my local library, Books In Print or in recent book
> review catalogs.  (The only Stephen Greens I found were a psychiatrist who
> writes about depression and a Vermonter who wrote, "Taking Sides:  America's
> Secret Relations with a Militant Israel" (1984).)  Can you provide some
> specific (or locatable) evidence from that obscure (in the USA, anyway) text
> to support your striking belief?

If I recall it was Green's book, but it's no big secret; these sick, demented
human dung beetles are the lowest form of life on this planet. When I was 
researching A GOY PRIES INTO THE TALMUD which I co-wrote with one of my 
anti-Zionist Rabbi friends, the Rabbi concerned told me that in Jewish Hell
(Gehinom) a special place is reserved for sodomites who will burn there for all
eternity. That kind of endeared me to the Jewish religion which is why however
much I may attack Zionist Jews I will never say anything the slighest bit 
untoward about the men in black hats and caftans.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sat Sep  2 14:04:19 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
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I must apologise, the reason I have questioned the gassing claims is because
the Vatican has never acknowledged them. I have now discovered the truth. In
his remarkable book BEHOLD A PALE HORSE, William Cooper reveals that in the
1940s the future Pope John Paul II was a salesman for IG Farben. It was him 
who sold the Nazis the gas, and in 1978 the Illuminati murdered the Pope so
that he could take his place as head of the New World Order. 

Cooper's book really is an eye opener; I even learnt that Adam Weishaupt
founded the Order of the Illuminati in the same year he wrote THE WEALTH
OF NATIONS. Oh boy, with geniuses like Cooper on their side, how could
anyone ever doubt the Exterminationists' claims?


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sun Sep  3 09:17:53 PDT 1995
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In article 
           bzs@world.std.com "Barry Shein" writes:
 
> Have you ever heard England referred to as "Perfidious Albion"? It's a
> fairly common, if nasty, expression right? (for those wondering
> "perfidious" means treacherous and disloyal and albion is an old, old
> reference to England itself.)

I have frequently denounced the British for their hypocrisy, bullshit and
a great many other things. Curiously enough, no one has ever accused me of
being a bigot on account of it.
 
-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article 
           joelr@winternet.com "Joel Rosenberg" writes:
 
> Well, good, we're finally getting to your theory:  all evidence of the 
> existence of the holocaust, you say, is a fabrication.

No, no, no I have never said that! I have said that SOME evidence is 
fabricated but that a lot of the "evidence" doesn't mean what people claim
it means. If a young boy disappeared off the street into thin air, Eustace
Mullins would say he had been kidnapped by Jews and ritually murdered, Charles
Berlitz would say that he had been kidnapped by Martians. A policeman would 
say, until further evidence was available, that a young boy had gone missing.

The biggest con trick is to flash around pictures of Belsen "atrocity" 
photographs and use this as PROOF that the Nazis gassed Jews. Yet when you
examine the evidence it says something entirely different. Dig?


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sun Sep  3 09:17:55 PDT 1995
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In article <427otj$j5d@dns.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:

>      Lying Al Baron the Bigot is at it again.  You don't "condone" anything;
>  you just 
> deny that the murders ever happened.  Are you now telling us that Kristallnacht > never happened?  Or that the Nazis didn't do it?  Or that Jews weren't murdered > on that terrible night?  Or that there was a war going on in 1938?
> 
>     Are you going to explain how you contradicted yourself in two consecutive 
> sentences?  Or are you just going to tell us the ADL made it up and once upon a > time on St. Bartholomew's Night . . . . .

The Kristallnacht was NOT ordered by the Nazis, it was a spontaneous reaction;
I would compare it with the LA riots. As with the LA riots there was genuine a
genuine grievance, the fact that four police officers had half murdered Rodney
King and walked out of the court room free to do it again. There was also a
lot of looting and freebooting. If you read the press reports of Kristallnacht,
the London Times for example, you get an entirely different picture.

I thought that the Night of St Bartholomew was Dracula, when he dined amongst
the cadavers.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sun Sep  3 09:17:56 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> Alexander Baron  writes:
> 
> # What about the man who sent a letter to a Jewish lawyer
> # addressed "To the Jew lawyer". The Jew sued him and he was
> # fined 25 Marks.
> 
> And when did this take place?

c1935, it's one of many amazing things I found in the Jewish Chronicle.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sun Sep  3 09:17:57 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> Alexander Baron  writes:
 
> Excerpts from Opinion and Sentence of the Nuernberg Special Court in
> the Katzenberger Case
> [Trials of War Criminals Before the Nuernberg Military Tribunals -
> Washington, U.S Govt. Print. Off., 1949-1953, Vol. III, 653-663]
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> Findings:
> 
> 1. The defendant Katzenberger is fully Jewish and a German national; he
>    is a member of the Jewish religious community...

> As the only feasible answer to the frivolous conduct of the defendant,
> the court therefore deems it necessary to pronounce the death sentence
> as the heaviest punishment provided by section 4 of the decree
> against public enemies...

Off-hand I would say this is a fake; there was though one case where a Jew
was victimised for reasons other than his race; I can't recall the details
at the moment but will check it out when I have time.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: CREMATION RATE OF 4,400 at Birkenau LUDICROUS says EXPERT
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> Yet another repost from Roberts! At least, he is not posting
> forgeries such as the "Muller document", just plain rubbish!

Neither I nor Roberts would knowingly endorse any kind of forgery or fraud,
unlike some people in this newsgroup. As soon as this came to my attention I
drew it to his; we have had long discusions about this in private mail and 
on the phone. We both find it inexcusable and disturbing. I can't say the same
for people on your side of the fence who likewise refuse to face facts. I am
still waiting for an apology and retraction from Harry Mazal and will wait till
the cows come home for that or for any Exterminationist to have the good 
grace to admit that he was conned.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sun Sep  3 14:23:03 PDT 1995
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In article <215304Z02091995@anon.penet.fi>
           an166397@anon.penet.fi "Sharpfang" writes:

> 
> A Simple Experiment....
> 
> It is common knowledge that blacks and browns are
> broadly inferior in numerous areas; 

Heavyweight boxing, for example.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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In article <215304Z02091995@anon.penet.fi>
           an166397@anon.penet.fi "Sharpfang" writes:

> 
> A Simple Experiment....
> 
> It is common knowledge that blacks and browns are
> broadly inferior in numerous areas; 

Heavyweight boxing, for example.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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In article <215304Z02091995@anon.penet.fi>
           an166397@anon.penet.fi "Sharpfang" writes:

> 
> A Simple Experiment....
> 
> It is common knowledge that blacks and browns are
> broadly inferior in numerous areas; 

Heavyweight boxing, for example.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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In article <215304Z02091995@anon.penet.fi>
           an166397@anon.penet.fi "Sharpfang" writes:

> 
> A Simple Experiment....
> 
> It is common knowledge that blacks and browns are
> broadly inferior in numerous areas; 

Heavyweight boxing, for example.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sun Sep  3 14:37:40 PDT 1995
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In article <42bl95$pr9@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>
           kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca "Ken McVay OBC" writes:

> No-one is silenced here. 

That's not true Ken, and you know it. Zundel was slienced in Canada. Last
year an American professor was booted out of her job because she wanted to
teach "the Nazi side" as well.

The ways people are silenced are often far more subtle, ADL smear campaigns
and the like, and if you dispute this you really are not to be taken seriously.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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In article <42buf6$oi4@grivel.une.edu.au> ibokor@metz.une.edu.au "ibokor" writes:


> Columbus' ship in thhe harbour at Barcelona is a reconstruction.
> does that mean Columbus did not set sail in 1492 and reach the
> shores of today's Puerto Rico (I believe that's where he landed, 
> but I could be wrong.)

Columbus's ship was real and was reconstructed; therefore the Auschwitz
gas chamber was real. What about Jurassic Park?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sun Sep  3 14:37:42 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

 
> Genocide did take place in Belsen and Dachau. I plan, BTW, to
> scan many more photographs from them and other camps, and
> load them to an ftp site.

Oh no it didn't! And that's official.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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In article 
           rsavage@netcom.com "Rick Savage" writes:

> Harry Katz (hkatz@earth.usa.net) wrote:
> :       THE TALMUD AND PEDERASTY
> 
> : CONCLUSION
> 
> : Everyone knows that the statistics demonstrate a
> : paucity of such behavior among Jews, a testament to the high moral standards
>  of
> : the majority in the Jewish community.
> 
>     I guess I missed out when "everyone" was presented with these 
> statistics of "high moral standards" of the MAJORITY in the Jewish 
> community.  
>     I haven't seen the majority of the Jewish community up in arms to see 
> all 50 states re-introduce the death penalty for Homosexuality, child 
> molestation, and related crimes outlawed with captical punishments in the 
> Bible.  They have been on the opposite side of the fence opposing those 
> who do.


Harry Katz is a real Jew, not some little scumbag Zionist hatemonger who
just happens to be "of Jewish origin". There is a big difference. The Jewish
Question is a political issue, not a religious one.



-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> Alexander Baron   wrote:
> 
> [About homosexuals]
> 
> # these sick, demented human dung beetles are the lowest form of
> # life on this planet.
> 
> Why does Baron hate homosexuals so much? The more you read
> what this guy writes, the more he seems to be a sick, hateful
> person. In case someone plans to reply "but why are you so much
> against Baron?" - I think he's a scumbag, but that's my
> opinion about the *individual* Baron, it is bases solely on
> his opinions, and not on his race, his religion, his sexual 
> practices, his color etc. 

Sorry Dan, I didn't realise you were queer.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article <42ajkc$mr@dns.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:

>    On the other hand,  you _are_ a liar and and an anti-Semite.  You have 
> demostrated this with your own words again and again.   In fact, that has been 
> true of virtually every one of your fellow deniers who has posted here.  Your 
> posturing as an innocent searcher after truth against whom "Organized Jewry" 
> conspires is, in fact, one of the most nauseating facets of your bigoted act.

My dear fellow, Organised Jewry in this country HAS conspired against me 
and IS conspiring against me at this very moment. I have named specific
individuals in my publications rather than rail at Jews in the abstract.
If you want confirmation of the power of Organised Jewry I suggest you 
contact the Neturei Karta anti-Zionist sect. Ask them about their books
Genocide in the Holy Land and The Holocaust Victims Accuse. Ask them about
the Rabbis who were murdered by the Zionists; ask them about the Zionist
sponsored pogroms in Iraq. Ask them if all Jews are poor, persecuted, powerless
people and see what they say.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sun Sep  3 14:37:45 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: Baron's gay criminals? (was Re: Miscellaneous failed postings from A_Baron)
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In article 
           mvanalst@rbi.com "Mark Van Alstine" writes:


> Umm, that didn't quite answer the question, now did it? After your
> diatribe is ommitted your reply seems to be: "If I recall it was Green's
> book..."  Well, this seems like a bit of waffling to me, as you were
> informed no such book could be found. Is this to be taken that you _can't_
> provide any such evidence, outside of "if I recall," that the book
> actually exists? 

Try contacting some anti-homo group; there are a few in the US; there's one
calle Homosexuals Anonymous; they don't get much publicity though. There have
been a number of well-known homosexual serial killers: the ghoulish Jeffrey
Dahmer; John Gacy; Denis Nilsen, Michael Lupo and quite a few others. 
Considering that queers make up such a small percentage of the 
population - queer propaganda aside - they are vastly over-represented.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sun Sep  3 14:37:46 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Irving Now Says FOUR MILLION Jews Died?
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In article <199509022058.AA23499@world.std.com>
           dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> It was reported that in a July 27, 1995, live appearance on an
> Australian radio program, David Irving, the "leading revisionist
> scholar" who is quoted very often by our revisionazis here, said
> that 4 million Jews died at the hands of the Nazi regime during
> WW2. Does anyone know more on this?

Yes, I do.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sun Sep  3 23:21:51 PDT 1995
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In article <42buf6$oi4@grivel.une.edu.au> ibokor@metz.une.edu.au "ibokor" writes:


> Columbus' ship in thhe harbour at Barcelona is a reconstruction.
> does that mean Columbus did not set sail in 1492 and reach the
> shores of today's Puerto Rico (I believe that's where he landed, 
> but I could be wrong.)

Columbus's ship was real and was reconstructed; therefore the Auschwitz
gas chamber was real. What about Jurassic Park?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sun Sep  3 23:21:53 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

 
> Genocide did take place in Belsen and Dachau. I plan, BTW, to
> scan many more photographs from them and other camps, and
> load them to an ftp site.

Oh no it didn't! And that's official.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article 
           rsavage@netcom.com "Rick Savage" writes:

> Harry Katz (hkatz@earth.usa.net) wrote:
> :       THE TALMUD AND PEDERASTY
> 
> : CONCLUSION
> 
> : Everyone knows that the statistics demonstrate a
> : paucity of such behavior among Jews, a testament to the high moral standards
>  of
> : the majority in the Jewish community.
> 
>     I guess I missed out when "everyone" was presented with these 
> statistics of "high moral standards" of the MAJORITY in the Jewish 
> community.  
>     I haven't seen the majority of the Jewish community up in arms to see 
> all 50 states re-introduce the death penalty for Homosexuality, child 
> molestation, and related crimes outlawed with captical punishments in the 
> Bible.  They have been on the opposite side of the fence opposing those 
> who do.


Harry Katz is a real Jew, not some little scumbag Zionist hatemonger who
just happens to be "of Jewish origin". There is a big difference. The Jewish
Question is a political issue, not a religious one.



-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Baron's Insane Hatered (Re: Baron's gay criminals?)
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> Alexander Baron   wrote:
> 
> [About homosexuals]
> 
> # these sick, demented human dung beetles are the lowest form of
> # life on this planet.
> 
> Why does Baron hate homosexuals so much? The more you read
> what this guy writes, the more he seems to be a sick, hateful
> person. In case someone plans to reply "but why are you so much
> against Baron?" - I think he's a scumbag, but that's my
> opinion about the *individual* Baron, it is bases solely on
> his opinions, and not on his race, his religion, his sexual 
> practices, his color etc. 

Sorry Dan, I didn't realise you were queer.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sun Sep  3 23:21:56 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article <42ajkc$mr@dns.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:

>    On the other hand,  you _are_ a liar and and an anti-Semite.  You have 
> demostrated this with your own words again and again.   In fact, that has been 
> true of virtually every one of your fellow deniers who has posted here.  Your 
> posturing as an innocent searcher after truth against whom "Organized Jewry" 
> conspires is, in fact, one of the most nauseating facets of your bigoted act.

My dear fellow, Organised Jewry in this country HAS conspired against me 
and IS conspiring against me at this very moment. I have named specific
individuals in my publications rather than rail at Jews in the abstract.
If you want confirmation of the power of Organised Jewry I suggest you 
contact the Neturei Karta anti-Zionist sect. Ask them about their books
Genocide in the Holy Land and The Holocaust Victims Accuse. Ask them about
the Rabbis who were murdered by the Zionists; ask them about the Zionist
sponsored pogroms in Iraq. Ask them if all Jews are poor, persecuted, powerless
people and see what they say.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sun Sep  3 23:21:57 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.homosexuality
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In article 
           mvanalst@rbi.com "Mark Van Alstine" writes:


> Umm, that didn't quite answer the question, now did it? After your
> diatribe is ommitted your reply seems to be: "If I recall it was Green's
> book..."  Well, this seems like a bit of waffling to me, as you were
> informed no such book could be found. Is this to be taken that you _can't_
> provide any such evidence, outside of "if I recall," that the book
> actually exists? 

Try contacting some anti-homo group; there are a few in the US; there's one
calle Homosexuals Anonymous; they don't get much publicity though. There have
been a number of well-known homosexual serial killers: the ghoulish Jeffrey
Dahmer; John Gacy; Denis Nilsen, Michael Lupo and quite a few others. 
Considering that queers make up such a small percentage of the 
population - queer propaganda aside - they are vastly over-represented.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sun Sep  3 23:21:57 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Irving Now Says FOUR MILLION Jews Died?
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In article <199509022058.AA23499@world.std.com>
           dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> It was reported that in a July 27, 1995, live appearance on an
> Australian radio program, David Irving, the "leading revisionist
> scholar" who is quoted very often by our revisionazis here, said
> that 4 million Jews died at the hands of the Nazi regime during
> WW2. Does anyone know more on this?

Yes, I do.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Wed Sep  6 16:56:11 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: soc.history,alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: c3w  if HISTORY is a LIE
Date: Tue, 05 Sep 95 19:09:09 GMT
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In article <42hb3l$qjm@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com>
           a2ce3wog@ix.netcom.com "Maczuga Kaus - assimilated cat3wog " writes:
 
> Also, Richard Plant (Op-Ed), Nov 7) speaks of the '"shared agony"
> of homosexuals and Jews. Undoubtedly, German homosexuals
> were put into Nazi concentration camps. There were about 20,000
> such individuals, out of a German gay population estimated to be
> 1.5 million in 1933. 

Lies and propaganda, there were never that many faggots in Germany; this
is typical, blatant, queer propaganda.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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Subject: Re: Baron's Insane Hatered (Re: Baron's gay criminals?)
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In article <42hhr4$8h0@news.netvision.net.il> kevina@learnskills.com  writes:
> 
> One never knows, but maybe at one point in his life Baron was seduced, 
> 
> sodomized and robbed of his human dignity by some predatory homosexualist.
> 
> This would certainly explain his anger today.

On the other hand, maybe he simply doesn't like dung beetles and isn't 
afraid to say so. Like Robert Mugabe.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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Subject: Re: "Revisionists" Posting Forgeries (Re: CREMA
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In article <42ftmv$gui@access5.digex.net>
           mstein@access5.digex.net "Michael P. Stein" writes:

>     I'm sorry, but I have to demur here.  I have also had private email
> discussions with both Roberts and Baron on this subject, and I have no
> cause to doubt their word on this.  I have criticized both men for what I
> consider poor reasoning and ignoring rebuttal information, but I have seen
> no real evidence that they have wilfully posted something they knew to be
> untrue or are willing to do so.

Again Mike, you're a wonderful human being, and when I'm elected Fuhrer I'll
make you my Court Jew. At the risk of boring everybody I'll say it again:
if you can believe in the Resurrection you can believe in anything. Even
the Holocaust.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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Subject: A Question Of Priorities
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$PM blocks probe as more atrocities come to light$, published in 
the $Jewish Chronicle$, August 25, 1945, 

reports among other things the murder of 49 Egyptian prisoners on 
Sinai in 1956, an admission by a retired officer.  Rabin 
rejected a call for an inquiry into the atrocities because "There 
were aberrations on both sides...There is no purpose in raising 
events in the past...Raising the issue embarrasses the Arabs as 
well."

Heck, they should have told Kramer!


$US neo-Nazi to be extradited to Germany$, by Regina Wosmitza, 
published in the $Jewish Chronicle$, September 1, 1995

Gary (Gerhard) Lauck, currently held by Danish police, faces 
extradition to Germany and a possible five year sentence for 
distributing "illegal racist propaganda and Nazi symbols". He is 
said to have called Jews worms and rats.


Moral: it is more evil by far to call Jews nasty names than it is 
to murder Arabs.

It was only when I read these articles that I realised what a thoroughly
evil person I am. Please forgive me Dr Keren for calling Alan Fink a
"Jew boy". Gosh, I'm glad I didn't call him a rat, I could be in prison
by now. And I'd deserve it.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: MY OPINION ON HOLOCAU
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> Alexander Baron  wrote:
 
> Wilhelm Bahr               (Neuengamme)
> Pery Broad                 (Auschwitz-Birkenau)
> Dr. Fritz Klein            (Auschwitz-Birkenau)
> Dr. Konrad Morgen          (Auschwitz-Birkenau)
> Otto Ohlendorf             (Nazi-occupied USSR, "gas vans")
> Franz Stangl               (Treblinka)
> 
> I am asking again:
> 
> Do you have any proof, whatsoever, that the testimony of any of
> these people is not true?

Re the above, I haven't studied them all but you're on stony ground. A) It
is not for me to prove that they didn't lie. Pery Broad see Staeglich and 
Pressac, who both find his testimony unconvincing. I'll get round to Klein 
soon as I'm studying this, but it is interesting to note that "selections" were
also made in Belsen, yet nobody was "gassed" there. Morgen is the judge who
arrested Koch; unfortunately, he claimed that the Auschwitz gassings were 
done at Monowitz not Birkenau! He seems to have wanted to absolve the SS.

Ohlendorf I'll look up again, but he was an IMT defendant.

Stangl is the subject of Sereny's book, which has just a couple of very brief
references to gassings. I think probably Stangl was guilty of "war crimes" and
went along with the gassing claims in the hope that he would get parole. I don't
think he admitted steaming anyone to death as was claimed!

Now let me ask you a question a) were any site inspections made at these trials?
I know for a fact that none was made of Auschwitz at the Belsen trial where
Klein was sentenced to death. You see, the burden of proof really isn't on me.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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Subject: Re: Schwarzhuber Testifies About Gassing in Ravensbrueck
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In article <42ffh2$fbp@dns.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:

>     Ah well, the classic technique of Baron the Bigot to avoid answering a
>  direct 
> question.  Specifically, try and change the topic by throwing out some 
> nonsensical charge.  No, Lyin' Al the the subject is you.  You opened your
>  mouth 
> and stuck your foot -- already thoroughly soaked with your own saliva -- in. 
>  It is 

Not a nonsensical charge, a factual one. Try reading her hysterical polemic
against Revisionism in Commentary and you'll see what I mean.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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In article 
           bzs@world.std.com "Barry Shein" writes:

> 
> From: Alexander Baron 
> >           rbennett@charm.net "Robert J. Bennett" writes:
> >  And what by the way was the genuine grievance that you allude
> >> to?
> >
> >Probably the same genuine grievance all the shopkeepers in LA suffered.
> >They didn't beat up Rodney King. By the same token none of the Jewish 
> >shopkeepers shot Ernst Rohm; it's always the innocent who suffer. I speak 
> >from experience.
> 
> I think you mean Heydrich not Rohm but I could be wrong, just off the
> top of my head.

Sorry, I meant Ernst vom Rath. I hope you get the point though.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

 
> It's interesting to note, BTW, that some "leading revisionists"
> have fully justified the Nazi murder in Lidice, and even claimed
> it was in accordance with "International law"(!!). These 
> revisionazis are just full of surprises.

don't be a fool Keren, war is legalised murder. I believe the British and
others carried out reprisals too. That doesn't justify Lidice but it does
prove that war is a dirty business. Heydrich was actually murdered by the
British.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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In article 
           jamie@voyager.net "Jamie McCarthy" writes:
 
> Mr. Baron, I've already told you n times that (1) I have no intention
> of buying any of your books;  (2) I am unfortunately unable to conduct
> inter-library loans to obtain them.  You are quite aware that I will
> thus not be able to look up this "full reference."
> 
> Why don't you just pull the book off your shelf, flip to this "full
> reference," and type it in.  It can't possibly be more than a line or
> two.  How long could it take?

If you want to read my book either buy it or order it. If I were in this
for the money I'd have packed up years ago. You get praise for spreading your
gospel, I get derision and slander for spreading mine.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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In article <42iqq2$1a54@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:

>the chief value of photographs is to

Brainwash people like you into unconditional acceptance of Holocaust propaganda
by playing on your emotions. You're obviously a decent sort in spite of your
constant slagging me off.

> You also claim that the existing evidence
> for the Holocaust does not say what we think. Working with a single
> item of evidence, can you at long last tell us what you think it does
> say? Have you got anything more substantial to say about any of the
> evidence other than "off hand it seems like a forgery to me?"

It says a lot of people died from typhus and starvation and a certain amount
of brutality. Nothing else.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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In article <42i8q9$1042@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:
> You never provide citations that are adequate for people to check. It
> is your regular habit to change the subject when challenged for
> information--just as you have done here.

Never? A gross exaggeration, surely. When I do provide citations you
simply change the subject. About the only Exterminationist in this group
who has any integrity at all is Mike Stein. Oh, and Jamie McCarthy once
retracted something he'd said.
 
> So spare us the breast-beating, and tell Mr. Edeiken where you read
> about the professor in question.

Dr Christine Jeffrey was fired under pressure from the ADL from Kennesaw
College, Georgia. This was last year, I think. I'm surprised you haven't 
heard of it.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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Subject: Education the gullible goyim about Gerry Gable's lie machine
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The following is from THE LIFE AND "CRIMES" OF JOHN COLIN CAMPBELL JORDAN,
by Alexander Baron, published by Anglo-Hebrew Publishing. Gable was the
co-author in 1974 of A WELL-OILED NAZI MACHINE. For the full, documented
story of how he lied to everyone, including the Jewish Chronicle, the reader
is referred to A REVISIONIST HISTORY OF THE 1960s SYNAGOGUE ARSONS, by A Baron.


$The Queen, on the prosecution of John Colin Campbell Jordan - 
v - Maurice Ludmer$ 
Judgment delivered 30th December, 1976 (272)


I  have to announce that the restrictions on reporting have  been 
removed.
  This case was heard before me on the 21st September, the 3rd of 
November and the 8th December.
  In  this case the prosecution asks for the committal for  trial 
to  the  Crown  Court of the defendant, Maurice  Ludmer,  on  two 
charges  of  criminal libel, contrary to Section 5 of  the  Libel 
Act,  1843.  The  defence has submitted that  no  such  committal 
should take place and I have to rule on that submission.
  The prosecution has been conducted by the informant, John Colin 
Campbell Jordan, in person. He has laid the informations, he says 
he  has  been libelled, and he had conducted the  prosecution  in 
Court,  as well, of course, as giving evidence himself  on  oath. 
Let  me say at once that he has conducted the  prosecution   with 
courtesy,  restraint and, for a layman, considerable  skill.  The 
defence has had the advantage of being represented by Mr.  Geffen 
with  his  usual  skill and enthusiasm. It  is  however,  perhaps 
unwise, for an advocate personally to identify himself too close-
ly with his client's case.
  The  alleged libels are in exactly the same words in each  case 
and appeared in two pamphlets or booklets, one published sometime 
since  June, 1974 and called "A Well-Oiled Nazi Machine" and  the 
other  published  in  April, 1975 and  called  "Searchlight".  It 
appears  to be proved and not now denied that the  defendant  was 
the publisher of the pamphlets.

  The important words in these two pamphlets are :-
  "It was this building that housed the National Socialist
Movement and where plans to bomb and attack the Jewish
Community were hatched by Jordan, his wife and their S.S.
Groups".

  These  words appear to charge a conspiracy to commit  malicious 
damage,  arson  and  murder and are prima  facie  libellous.  Mr. 
Jordan, on oath, has denied that he has ever been a party to  any 
such  plans or conspiracy. He says the words are  completely  un-
true. He says the allegation is likely to provoke a breach of the 
peace. He says he has never advocated the attainment of political 
power by violence.
  Mr.  Jordan was extensively cross-examined by Mr. Geffen as  to 
his  work and there is no doubt that for many years he  has  been 
involved  in politics of an extremist kind. So, it would  appear, 
but  at the other end of the scale, have been the writers of  the 
two pamphlets, whether actually the defendant publisher, or other 
persons. Persons who engage in this kind of activity must not  be 
too  thin  skinned  and must expect to receive hard  blows  in  a 
metaphorical  sense. The words complained of are  serious  libels 
but are they more likely to lead to public disorder and breach of 
the  peace than the rest of these pamphlets? It is also  said  by 
the  defence that in fact Mr. Jordan is a man of  violence,  con-
trary  to  his evidence. It is true that he has  been  to  prison 
twice,  once, after a series of appeals, for one month, and  once 
for  nine months. Both these charges were under the Public  Order 
Act, but he says no actual violence was involved.
  I  am  asked by Mr. Geffen (Whose submission is  not  really  a 
submission  in law) to say that this is a case where the time  of 
the  Judge  and jury at the Crown Court should not  be  occupied, 
that no injury to the public has been shown, and that there is no 
reasonable apprehension of public disorder or breach of the peace 
resulting from the alleged libels.
  There  are no merits on the part of the defendant in this  sub-
mission. The pamphlets seem to me to be scurrilous and  disreput-
able. But would any useful purpose be served by committing Ludmer 
to the Crown Court and taking up the time of that Court by  seek-
ing  to  get  him convicted and punished? One has  to  take  into 
account also that the circulation of these publications is  prob-
ably very restricted. I think no useful purpose would be  served. 
I  think  that, however libellous, these are some  of  the  harsh 
words to be expected by those who engage in this kind of  extrem-
ist  politics.  That Mr. Jordan himself is capable  of  extremely 
offensive  publications is shown by the dreadful letter  produced 
by the defence and written to a Mr. Bidwell, a Member of  Parlia-
ment, and exhibited as Exhibit 16.
  In  the  result  I do not intend to commit  the  defendant  for 
trial.  I  do  not think any useful purpose would  be  served  by 
taking  up the time of a Judge and jury in listening to the  kind 
of arguments that went on before me in the course of cross-exami-
nation of Mr. Jordan by Mr. Geffen. Mr. Jordan has had the satis-
faction of denying before me on oath that he is a man of violence 
and that he ever took part in any such conspiracy as was referred 
to in the passages in the pamphlets and I am sure that  publicity 
will be given to that denial and that that will serve to  provide 
him with the remedy he seeks.
  There  is one feature of the pamphlet "Searchlight"  which  was 
not referred to before me, but which I regard as grave and sinis-
ter.  The  pamphlet is headed on the front  "Defend  Democracy  - 
expose  the Racists and Extremists", and on the back it  purports 
to  be  "A  monthly Anti-Fascist bulletin". Yet on  the  back  it 
prints,  publishes,  advertises  in  large  letters  "Forthcoming 
Racist  Marches, Meetings etc" and gives a list of the dates  and 
places of meetings of the National Front and other similar  orga-
nisations.
  What purpose can there be in advertising your opponents'  meet-
ings except for the purpose of attending them and creating disor-
der  and perhaps violence? This seems to me to be an  attempt  to 
stir up trouble.
  As  I said, I see no merits in the defendant's case, but  I  do 
not  propose  to  commit for trial. The defendant  will  be  dis-
charged.
  An  application  by Mr. Geffen for additional costs,  over  and 
above those allowed upon Legal Aid taxation (the defendant  being 
Legally Aided) was refused.



-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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In article <42ibd7$br9@mn5.swip.net>
           stephane.bruchfeld@mailbox.swipnet.se "Stephane Bruchfeld" writes:

> kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) wrote:
> 
> 
> >I should have been more precise, and mentioned that Germany,
> >France, and Austria have laws forbidding Holocaust denial.
> >There may be others, of which I am unaware.

"Racist" South Africa.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:


> The main reason is that such a tiny amount of cyanide gas
> causes death.

That is palpable nonsense; forensic science is not that new. Sir Bernard
Spilsbury and his contemporaries could have proved cyanide poisoning. If
you scour the literature you'll probably find that Sherlock Holmes dealt
with the odd cyanide case. Doyle was writing well before the Second World 
War. If such a tiny amount of cyanide causes death then you'll have to 
reinterpret some of the stuff Pressac documents, like the Jew whose 1961
deposition with regard to a delousing operation had him going into a 
delousing chamber in his underpants and a gas mask. He claimed to have 
suffered ill effects. There must be a prolific literature on this.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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Baron calls a dumb Jew a dumb Jew therefore is condemned forever more as
an anti-Semite. Warning, when you argue with your wife:

don't call her a bitch.

Next time your kid breaks the next door neighbour's window: don't call him
an unruly brat.



-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
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>     I notice you do not categorically reject the story, and suspect even
> you accept the Buchenwald atrocities as genuine.  Remember, the Americans
> liberated Buchenwald, and we recently saw posted an American pathology
> report on some skin panels which declared them human.  So unless the
> Americans were also operating the kind of forgery mill you accuse the
> Communists of running, we _do_ have the kind of forensic documentation you
> require.

I think it is very difficult to evaluate any atrocity story but I certainly
wouldn't rule out anything although I don't believe in the lapmshades. I think
this was a case of gilding the  lily. The point I have always tried to make
is that this is presented as typical of Nazi ideology; I don't think it says
anywhere in the programme of the NSDAP that Jews would be turned into lampshades,
simply that they would be turned out of Germany.
 
>     What I find interesting is that I, who am supposed to be one of those
> nasty anti-German hatemongers, accept the story as proved but consider it
> a personal and private crime in violation of official policy. 

I don't think you're a hatemonger, Mike.

-- 
Alexander Baron


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: HUMAN SKIN LAMPSHADES - A CRUEL AND VULGAR HOAX
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In article <42ijb4$f8b@dns.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:

>    Name a single teaching hospital in the United States, Great Britain or 
> Canada that maintains such items in its anatomical collection?

There are all sorts of horrible things in saline solutions. Kings College
Hospital is one, I believe. There is also a college that keeps the mummified
heard of some philosopher. I can't remember where off-hand, but I think there
may well be several.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

>  wrote:
> 
> # This decision was based on Irving's 
> # untruthful statements to a Canadian immigration adjudicator 
> # during his deportation hearing, as well as, 
> # his misrepresetations under oath on an affidavit in the High Court 
>   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> # Of Justice in the UK and his expulsion from Germany.

What about his perjury at the Zundel trial exposed to date only by yours
truly?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: MY OPINION ON HOLOCAU
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In article <42iqq2$1a54@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:

>the chief value of photographs is to

Brainwash people like you into unconditional acceptance of Holocaust propaganda
by playing on your emotions. You're obviously a decent sort in spite of your
constant slagging me off.

> You also claim that the existing evidence
> for the Holocaust does not say what we think. Working with a single
> item of evidence, can you at long last tell us what you think it does
> say? Have you got anything more substantial to say about any of the
> evidence other than "off hand it seems like a forgery to me?"

It says a lot of people died from typhus and starvation and a certain amount
of brutality. Nothing else.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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In article <42i8q9$1042@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:
> You never provide citations that are adequate for people to check. It
> is your regular habit to change the subject when challenged for
> information--just as you have done here.

Never? A gross exaggeration, surely. When I do provide citations you
simply change the subject. About the only Exterminationist in this group
who has any integrity at all is Mike Stein. Oh, and Jamie McCarthy once
retracted something he'd said.
 
> So spare us the breast-beating, and tell Mr. Edeiken where you read
> about the professor in question.

Dr Christine Jeffrey was fired under pressure from the ADL from Kennesaw
College, Georgia. This was last year, I think. I'm surprised you haven't 
heard of it.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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The following is from THE LIFE AND "CRIMES" OF JOHN COLIN CAMPBELL JORDAN,
by Alexander Baron, published by Anglo-Hebrew Publishing. Gable was the
co-author in 1974 of A WELL-OILED NAZI MACHINE. For the full, documented
story of how he lied to everyone, including the Jewish Chronicle, the reader
is referred to A REVISIONIST HISTORY OF THE 1960s SYNAGOGUE ARSONS, by A Baron.


$The Queen, on the prosecution of John Colin Campbell Jordan - 
v - Maurice Ludmer$ 
Judgment delivered 30th December, 1976 (272)


I  have to announce that the restrictions on reporting have  been 
removed.
  This case was heard before me on the 21st September, the 3rd of 
November and the 8th December.
  In  this case the prosecution asks for the committal for  trial 
to  the  Crown  Court of the defendant, Maurice  Ludmer,  on  two 
charges  of  criminal libel, contrary to Section 5 of  the  Libel 
Act,  1843.  The  defence has submitted that  no  such  committal 
should take place and I have to rule on that submission.
  The prosecution has been conducted by the informant, John Colin 
Campbell Jordan, in person. He has laid the informations, he says 
he  has  been libelled, and he had conducted the  prosecution  in 
Court,  as well, of course, as giving evidence himself  on  oath. 
Let  me say at once that he has conducted the  prosecution   with 
courtesy,  restraint and, for a layman, considerable  skill.  The 
defence has had the advantage of being represented by Mr.  Geffen 
with  his  usual  skill and enthusiasm. It  is  however,  perhaps 
unwise, for an advocate personally to identify himself too close-
ly with his client's case.
  The  alleged libels are in exactly the same words in each  case 
and appeared in two pamphlets or booklets, one published sometime 
since  June, 1974 and called "A Well-Oiled Nazi Machine" and  the 
other  published  in  April, 1975 and  called  "Searchlight".  It 
appears  to be proved and not now denied that the  defendant  was 
the publisher of the pamphlets.

  The important words in these two pamphlets are :-
  "It was this building that housed the National Socialist
Movement and where plans to bomb and attack the Jewish
Community were hatched by Jordan, his wife and their S.S.
Groups".

  These  words appear to charge a conspiracy to commit  malicious 
damage,  arson  and  murder and are prima  facie  libellous.  Mr. 
Jordan, on oath, has denied that he has ever been a party to  any 
such  plans or conspiracy. He says the words are  completely  un-
true. He says the allegation is likely to provoke a breach of the 
peace. He says he has never advocated the attainment of political 
power by violence.
  Mr.  Jordan was extensively cross-examined by Mr. Geffen as  to 
his  work and there is no doubt that for many years he  has  been 
involved  in politics of an extremist kind. So, it would  appear, 
but  at the other end of the scale, have been the writers of  the 
two pamphlets, whether actually the defendant publisher, or other 
persons. Persons who engage in this kind of activity must not  be 
too  thin  skinned  and must expect to receive hard  blows  in  a 
metaphorical  sense. The words complained of are  serious  libels 
but are they more likely to lead to public disorder and breach of 
the  peace than the rest of these pamphlets? It is also  said  by 
the  defence that in fact Mr. Jordan is a man of  violence,  con-
trary  to  his evidence. It is true that he has  been  to  prison 
twice,  once, after a series of appeals, for one month, and  once 
for  nine months. Both these charges were under the Public  Order 
Act, but he says no actual violence was involved.
  I  am  asked by Mr. Geffen (Whose submission is  not  really  a 
submission  in law) to say that this is a case where the time  of 
the  Judge  and jury at the Crown Court should not  be  occupied, 
that no injury to the public has been shown, and that there is no 
reasonable apprehension of public disorder or breach of the peace 
resulting from the alleged libels.
  There  are no merits on the part of the defendant in this  sub-
mission. The pamphlets seem to me to be scurrilous and  disreput-
able. But would any useful purpose be served by committing Ludmer 
to the Crown Court and taking up the time of that Court by  seek-
ing  to  get  him convicted and punished? One has  to  take  into 
account also that the circulation of these publications is  prob-
ably very restricted. I think no useful purpose would be  served. 
I  think  that, however libellous, these are some  of  the  harsh 
words to be expected by those who engage in this kind of  extrem-
ist  politics.  That Mr. Jordan himself is capable  of  extremely 
offensive  publications is shown by the dreadful letter  produced 
by the defence and written to a Mr. Bidwell, a Member of  Parlia-
ment, and exhibited as Exhibit 16.
  In  the  result  I do not intend to commit  the  defendant  for 
trial.  I  do  not think any useful purpose would  be  served  by 
taking  up the time of a Judge and jury in listening to the  kind 
of arguments that went on before me in the course of cross-exami-
nation of Mr. Jordan by Mr. Geffen. Mr. Jordan has had the satis-
faction of denying before me on oath that he is a man of violence 
and that he ever took part in any such conspiracy as was referred 
to in the passages in the pamphlets and I am sure that  publicity 
will be given to that denial and that that will serve to  provide 
him with the remedy he seeks.
  There  is one feature of the pamphlet "Searchlight"  which  was 
not referred to before me, but which I regard as grave and sinis-
ter.  The  pamphlet is headed on the front  "Defend  Democracy  - 
expose  the Racists and Extremists", and on the back it  purports 
to  be  "A  monthly Anti-Fascist bulletin". Yet on  the  back  it 
prints,  publishes,  advertises  in  large  letters  "Forthcoming 
Racist  Marches, Meetings etc" and gives a list of the dates  and 
places of meetings of the National Front and other similar  orga-
nisations.
  What purpose can there be in advertising your opponents'  meet-
ings except for the purpose of attending them and creating disor-
der  and perhaps violence? This seems to me to be an  attempt  to 
stir up trouble.
  As  I said, I see no merits in the defendant's case, but  I  do 
not  propose  to  commit for trial. The defendant  will  be  dis-
charged.
  An  application  by Mr. Geffen for additional costs,  over  and 
above those allowed upon Legal Aid taxation (the defendant  being 
Legally Aided) was refused.



-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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           stephane.bruchfeld@mailbox.swipnet.se "Stephane Bruchfeld" writes:

> kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) wrote:
> 
> 
> >I should have been more precise, and mentioned that Germany,
> >France, and Austria have laws forbidding Holocaust denial.
> >There may be others, of which I am unaware.

"Racist" South Africa.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: The Dachau Gas Chamber EXPOSED, by a Medical Doctor
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:


> The main reason is that such a tiny amount of cyanide gas
> causes death.

That is palpable nonsense; forensic science is not that new. Sir Bernard
Spilsbury and his contemporaries could have proved cyanide poisoning. If
you scour the literature you'll probably find that Sherlock Holmes dealt
with the odd cyanide case. Doyle was writing well before the Second World 
War. If such a tiny amount of cyanide causes death then you'll have to 
reinterpret some of the stuff Pressac documents, like the Jew whose 1961
deposition with regard to a delousing operation had him going into a 
delousing chamber in his underpants and a gas mask. He claimed to have 
suffered ill effects. There must be a prolific literature on this.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Thu Sep  7 18:08:10 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Baron calls a dumb Jew a dumb Jew therefore is condemned forever more as
an anti-Semite. Warning, when you argue with your wife:

don't call her a bitch.

Next time your kid breaks the next door neighbour's window: don't call him
an unruly brat.



-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: HUMAN SKIN LAMPSHADES - A CRUEL ABERRATION
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>     I notice you do not categorically reject the story, and suspect even
> you accept the Buchenwald atrocities as genuine.  Remember, the Americans
> liberated Buchenwald, and we recently saw posted an American pathology
> report on some skin panels which declared them human.  So unless the
> Americans were also operating the kind of forgery mill you accuse the
> Communists of running, we _do_ have the kind of forensic documentation you
> require.

I think it is very difficult to evaluate any atrocity story but I certainly
wouldn't rule out anything although I don't believe in the lapmshades. I think
this was a case of gilding the  lily. The point I have always tried to make
is that this is presented as typical of Nazi ideology; I don't think it says
anywhere in the programme of the NSDAP that Jews would be turned into lampshades,
simply that they would be turned out of Germany.
 
>     What I find interesting is that I, who am supposed to be one of those
> nasty anti-German hatemongers, accept the story as proved but consider it
> a personal and private crime in violation of official policy. 

I don't think you're a hatemonger, Mike.

-- 
Alexander Baron


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: HUMAN SKIN LAMPSHADES - A CRUEL AND VULGAR HOAX
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In article <42ijb4$f8b@dns.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:

>    Name a single teaching hospital in the United States, Great Britain or 
> Canada that maintains such items in its anatomical collection?

There are all sorts of horrible things in saline solutions. Kings College
Hospital is one, I believe. There is also a college that keeps the mummified
heard of some philosopher. I can't remember where off-hand, but I think there
may well be several.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Thu Sep  7 18:08:12 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: David Irving barred in Australia
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

>  wrote:
> 
> # This decision was based on Irving's 
> # untruthful statements to a Canadian immigration adjudicator 
> # during his deportation hearing, as well as, 
> # his misrepresetations under oath on an affidavit in the High Court 
>   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> # Of Justice in the UK and his expulsion from Germany.

What about his perjury at the Zundel trial exposed to date only by yours
truly?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: The Dachau Gas Chamber exposed!
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In article <42lgev$uqs@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>
           gmcfee@ibm.net "Gord McFee" writes:
> I am well aware of who Delmer was.  Pisses you off that he told Hitler to 
> shove it on the verge of WWII, doesn't it?  Pisses you off that he sucked the 
> Fuehrer in for years getting all sorts of exclusive stories, including the 
> Reichstag Fire, which he did not, contrary to your ravings, attribute to van 
> der Lubbe alone.  And he had nothing to do with originating the gassing 
> "legend".  


Trail Sinister - Delmer

page 194 says he believed the Reichstag fire was the work of a lone 
individual "the lunatic van der Lubbe" and that both the Nazis and the 
communists exploited it


Delmer - Black Boomerang

page 94 "When we learned that families bombed out during the Terror Raids 
on Hamburg were being evacuated to Eastern areas such as Poland, Slovakia and
 Ruthenia, we reported the epidemics of typhoid and cholera allegedly 
raging in those areas."

He also reported gas chambers. [sic]

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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In article 
           mvanalst@rbi.com "Mark Van Alstine" writes:
 
> Then how many homosexuals _were_ there in Germany at the time? Could you
> cite the source(s) for your convictions please?

A lot more than there were before the so-called Holocaust (hee hee). Incidentally, 
the Ultra-Orthodox believe that if Hitler had singled out the queers instead
of the Jews the Holocaust would have been justified. 

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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In article <42lgfj$uqs@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>
           gmcfee@ibm.net "Gord McFee" writes:
> 
> OK, Al, I admit it.  Many people have lied about the Holocaust for money.  
> Approximately 99% of them are revisionists.

Off the top of my head I can name a dozen non-Revisionists who have lied 
about the Holocaust. Can you name the other 1,188?

If you're insinuating that I have made money out of it I'll try not to laugh;
to date - apart from my loyal friends - most of who don't share or who aren't
interested in my views - it has brought me nothing but derision and libels.

But, unlike many Exterminationists, I am doing what I sincerely believe to
be right. If everybody did that the world would be a wonderful place.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Fri Sep  8 14:50:49 PDT 1995
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In article <42llms$7h2@cadvision.com> roland@starnet.com "Roland" writes:

> First off I will say that 100 eye witnesses if sufficient
> evidence the holocaust happened and Im sure the actual number is many 
> thousands. 

False logic. Try reading David Hume's "Of Miracles". 70,000 people saw the 
Sun dance at Fatima, remember?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Elie Wiesel
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This is copied from the Libernet Digest; no comments to me, thanks.



             ELIE WIESEL: NOTHING FORGOTTEN, NOTHING LEARNED

In Parade Magazine, (August 27, 1995, pp. 4-6), Elie Wiesel tells how the 
Jews in his village (Sighet, Hungary) slowly fell into the Nazi murder 
machine.  His family had a chance to escape.  His father chose deportation 
rather than seek refuge arranged by their Christian housekeeper (p. 5).  
We cannot question that decision.  Mr. Wiesel did at the time what he 
thought was right.

We can question if Elie Wiesel has learned from this bitter experience? 
Genocide has become more - not less - common since World War 2, so this 
is a timely question.

Wiesel does not advise flight from those who would commit genocide.  He 
breathes not a word about resisting murderers.  What did he learn from 
his experience?  

His vagueness extends to Jewish teaching.  He refers to the Talmud, the 
Code of Jewish Law.  But he offers no specific quotations.  In Tractate 
B'rachos (Blessings) it is twice written: "And the Torah says  'if 
someone comes to kill you, arise quickly and kill him'" (p. 58a and 
62b).  This imposes on every Jew the duty of self-defense against a 
deadly threat.  As a teenager, Wiesel may not have learned Talmud 
B'rachos.  JPFO enlightened him about it months ago.  But he
still has not learned.

Wiesel reports that, "Special units of the army and the notorious Hungarian
gendarmerie began raiding Jewish homes.   ...It would be hard to 
exaggerate the maliciousness of the Hungarian gendarmes.  Ordered to 
implement the Eichmann plan for our extermination, they did so with a 
zeal and brutality that will forever remain the dishonor of the Hungarian 
army and nation." (page 5).

This article shows Wiesel to be a complainer, not a thinker or a doer.  He
cannot draw even a basic lesson from his experiences.  Perhaps he has been so
brutalized by the Nazis that he no longer thinks critically.  That may explain
his support for gun control (See JPFO's "Firearms Sentinel", April 1995 p. 5).

Those who want to prevent genocide - not just bewail it - should not 
waste their time on Elie Wiesel's books.  If he knows anything about 
preventing genocide, he has yet to say it.

Supporters are urged to contact the editors of "PARADE MAGAZINE" and 
share the contents of this news release with them:

Mr. Walter Anderson
Editor - Parade Magazine
711 Third Avenue
New York, NY 10017

JPFO would appreciate copies of your correspondence; Thanks.



-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Educating the gullible goyim about Gerry Gable's lie machine - 2
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>From   the  publication HOW THE SEARCHLIGHT  ORGANISATION  INCITES 
HATRED AGAINST JEWS: A FRESH LOOK AT THE SCAPEGOAT THEORY OF ANTI-
SEMITISM  AND THE WORLD ZIONIST CONSPIRACY, by  Alexander  Baron, 
published by Anglo-Hebrew Publishing, (1994).



The Gable Memorandum


The text of this now notorious document is reproduced here in full. 
This particular version is taken from $Lobster$, issue 24, December 
1992, pages 3-4. Spelling, punctuation, errors and layout have been 
preserved as far as possible. (93) This, together with $Searchlight's$ 
other activities, in particular Gable's smears on Libertarians, 
anarchists and prominent Conservatives, tends to confirm the claim 
of one of its unwitting recruits to the current writer that the Searchlight 
Organisation is run not by misguided idealists or even by Jewish fanatics 
but by freelance hatemongers who will smear anybody for a few shekels. 
(94) And the Jews of course will take the rap. Which is clearly what 
Gable and company want. 



LONDON WEEKEND TELEVISION

>From       Gerry Gable
Date       2nd May, 1977
About     Agencies
To          Julian/Mike Braham/Barry Cox (Please keep these reports 
secure)

Phil Kelly was a member of the Young Liberals who in the sixties joined 
what was known as "the Red Guard". Young Liberals like Peter Hain 
and Peter Hellyer went against the traditional Liberal line and started 
campaigning along lines more akin to the Radical left. They stood 
out against the Vietnam War/Apartheid and for the Palestinians against 
the Israelis. At home they were for direct action on housing and other 
evils in our society.
  In the first place, as I understand it, Kelly was an odd fish in 
the rather middle class Young Lib circles, he had a strictly working 
class background.
  He was up to his neck in various campaigns in 1967. The Biafra aid 
set up was one of them. He was also seen frequently during that year 
at the offices of the Vietnam Solidarity Campaign. It was suggested 
that in either late '67 or early '68 he travelled to Cuba and was 
trained as was "Carlos" during the same period. Certainly Cuba held 
a Tri-Continental conference at that time involving many third world 
and Latin American states where Cuba was active in spreading their 
own brand of revolution. It is suggested that parallel to the conference, 
an extensive course of training in Guerilla warfare and Espionage 
took place. If the latter is true, then certainly Cuba's own Secret 
Service would have been aided by the KGB on the espionage side of 
the courses. In the early part of 1969 Kelly was seen at the Soviet 
Trade Mission in London.
  I think that around this time he worked on the Hornsey Journal or 
another paper in that area, then he moved to work in the new radical 
press - being a familiar face at Black Dwarf/Seven Days and later 
Time Out. Hellyer and some other Young Liberals got very involved 
with the Palestinians around this time and in the summer of 1969 Kelly 
went to Jordan, not, as he told people, to see the refugee camps, 
schools and medical aid groups, but to a proper Fatah training camp. 
Members of the Baader Meinhof group also attended these camps and 
learnt their bombing and killing skills in them. Kelly was taught 
firearms/explosives and went out on some treks to the Israeli border 
with Fatah patrols.
  Around this time, returning to London, Kelly acted as a cheer leader 
on several Arab demonstrations in London and during fighting in one 
of them he was seen to kick a policeman.
  But although he seemed firmly in the left camp, a number of odd 
things about his attitude towards a person he knew to be hostile to 
the left are rather strange, on several occasions he could have blown 
the cover of a man who had infiltrated the Palestinians and some left 
groups. This man ran into him time and time again, including once 
at a function organised by the Cuban embassy in London. Kelly was 
seen on Irish Rights marches the night the Ulster office was attacked, 
medical aid for Vietnam, Portugese meetings and even a demo over Anguilla.
  Wherever he worked on left journals he always seem to get into a 
position [section illegible, but probably "had access to the"] names 
and addresses of subscribers. Reports from left watchers state that 
he has been to Cuba, America, East Germany, Jordan and Sofia in Bulgaria 
for a Peace Conference. In the early seventies he went to work in 
West Germany and was away for around two years, I understand that 
he worked as a sports reporter (he was there at the time of the Munich 
massacre). He also had a German girl friend whose name is either Gerde 
Jager, or Jaegar, the daughter of a rich lawyer. She is said to be 
close to SWAPO operations in Western Europe and tied up with something 
named "Informist"?
  Back in Britain Kelly worked at Time Out and was instrumental in 
introducing Mark Hosenball to stories that are part or even all of 
the reason for his deportation order. Around Time Out a group of Americans, 
Kelly, Duncan Campbell (the technology freak), plus Crispin Aubrey 
and John Berry (not just a former Army signals clerk, but a former 
member of British Military Intelligence) began to operate.
  More than a year ago Kelly started to work for Interpress Services, 
a press agency of which he appears to be the sole employee in this 
country.
  Even some of the left watchers here thought that this agency was 
set up at the time of a Third World Conference held in Colombo in 
Sri Lanka a couple of years ago and that in some way it is connected 
with the Yugoslav State Press Agency. However our checks reveal that 
it was set up in Italy in 1968 as a press co-operative and the directors 
are South Americans and Italians, one of the original people before 
Kelly at this end was John Rettie - a man I still have to check out 
but was in some KGB scandal in Moscow some years ago.
  The last return made by the co-op shows an annual turn-over of a 
quarter of a million pounds sterling, although it preceeds Kelly's 
joining them (at least officially) salaries are shown as only two 
thousand per annum. 
  Hosenball, who to my knowledge was always keen to meet any new contacts, 
told me that he had refused to meet Kelly's contacts in Germany but 
would say no more. He was also prepared to tell me that the co-op 
was, as he understood it, set up by some Chilean Christian Democrats 
who in more recent times dropped out to be replaced by the Iraquis, 
although no signs of this appear on the company house records. Hosenball 
is frightened to tell me more about Kelly and it is almost certain 
that Kelly could blackmail Hosenball to keep silent. Since the Agee/Hosenball 
expulsion notices were issued, Kelly is often being seen more and 
more running round organising things. When Hosenball made it clear 
that he did not wish to be used as political cannon fodder, Kelly 
wrote an attack on him that appeared in the $Leveller$, a radical 
magazine.
  This is not all that Kelly has done for the $Leveller$, he 
has also produced material on West Germany for them about the trials 
of the Terrorist groups.
  The arrest of Campbell/Berry and Aubrey has caused a civil rights 
row, but according to my top level security sources, they inform me 
in the strictest confidence that for about four years Campbell, Berry 
and Kelly and others have been systematically gathering top level 
security material. Campbell, who claims to have only an interest in 
technological matters in as far as the state in involved, had done 
four years detailed research into the whole structure of the other 
side of not only our Intelligence services but those of other NATO 
countries. He has also gone to people who work on top security contracts 
and started off by asking them about open commercial work their companies 
do and then gradually asked them for information on top secret work, 
including that on under-water detection hardware, which he clearly 
knows is beyond the pale.
  Politically it appears that the group have no one political guiding 
light or line, but Kelly is suspected of being the KGB man who reaps 
the goodies gathered by people who are possibly as disapproving of 
the KGB as they are of the CIA. [Two words illegible but probably 
"Other teams"] like this have been operating in France and Sweden. 
(Agee has been in contact with the Swedish set up.) The security services 
feel that once the real nature of this case begins to emerge they 
expect people like Jonathan Aitken will fade away fast. The security 
service accepts that a number of decent people have been signed up 
to support these people on civil rights grounds and they also unofficially 
accept all the short-comings of the act that they have been held under, 
but they say they are sure this has gone well beyond the bounds of 
Press Investigation. 
  Hosenball, although supposedly having his differences with Kelly, 
was party to a strange chat between Kelly and Steve Weisman at Granada's 
Christmas party. They were going through a list of contacts and what 
Hosenball's reaction would be be if he were asked about them. I could 
not catch the names but when one name came up all three of them seemed 
very keen to keep it out of the hearing.
  Hosenball got extremely angry with Malcolm Southam of World In Action 
when asked about a man named Karl Von Metre, thought to be an American 
living in Paris, and would not talk about him. Hosenball's Paris trips 
are a mystery.
  He told me two years ago that the reasons for his Paris visits were 
to go through files taken from a Portugese office of an extreme right 
wing group that used a press agency as a cover. At the time of the 
army take over in Portugal they had been seized and taken to Paris. 
However, my own investigation showed that the files were not in Paris 
at all had had never been taken out of Portugal, so why lie? His contact 
in Paris is Frederick Laurent, a young man who works for the left 
wing paper $Liberation$ and who lives in very grand style in 
a huge Paris apartment.
  When Hosenball and Kelly had hold of the Crozier material they were 
very keen not to check out right wing connections but to trace phone 
numbers they felt belonged to Secret Service establishments etc. Hosenball 
also went to Spain, I think to track down one of the people mentioned 
in the Robert Moss letters, but despite all this research most of 
what they got was not appearing in print anyway. Kelly was not happy 
about Searchlight using the documents and I think Hosenball, who had 
done work for Searchlight on various occasions, felt embarrassed by 
his attitude.
  Kelly's current girl friend is Dorothy Jones who works for the People's 
Press Service or News Service, a sort of Agitprop outfit. Kelly moved 
into a house in Hemmingford Road, Islington, some time last winter. 
He shares it with Richard Fletcher who is on the London Co-op Education 
Committee, (strong links with East Germany) this is at 104 Hemmingford 
Road, N7. 
  I went to the house one dark winter night just after they had moved 
in. I was with Mark Hosenball and the reason for our visit was to 
get some more photocopies of the Moss letters.
  When we arrived, a man who I thought must Fletcher came to the door. 
The building is a shop, basement and upper part, it was in a bad state 
of disrepair and the man was plastering or something like that. He 
said to Mark "there is a caucus meeting, Phil's up top". Mark told 
me to hang on and ran upstairs to the top floor. Being a nosey bugger 
I followed and in the top floor front room were about seven or eight 
men, no women, all seated on cushions on the floor with no centre 
light.
  They were a mixed age group. I didn't recognise any of them and 
they did not seem to know me. Kelly looked at me staring in over Hosenball's 
shoulder and leapt up and pushed us out of the room. He said to Mark 
in a low voice "Why did you bring him here?" and Mark waffled on about 
not being able to contact him in advance and I needed the letters 
that very night as Searchlight was going to press on the next day. 
Kelly took us to the basement and produced the papers and then ushered 
us out as quickly as possible.
  I have now given the names I have acquired to be checked out by 
British/French security services, especially the French and German 
connections and the South American stuff is being checked by Geoffrey 
Stewart-Smith's institute. He has strong CIA links. I may try somebody 
in the Israeli Foreign Office that I know for some checks on Kelly. 
It is now a time of waiting for feed-back and also further checks 
here.
  I have attached a number of documents including a transcript of 
Kelly's interview with World in Action. It goes without saying that 
I would like this kept strictly secret.

(93) A photograph of the actual document was published in the $New 
Statesman$ in 1980. The article $Destabilising the "decent people"$, 
by Duncan Campbell, Bruce Page and Nick Anning, was published in the 
issue for February 15, 1980, pages 234-6.
(94)  Private information. The person concerned claimed  to  have 
received  L100 cash payment from Gerry Gable for attending a  far 
right meeting in the 1980s.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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In article <42lgf3$uqs@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>
           gmcfee@ibm.net "Gord McFee" writes:

> What's your point, Al?  She is indeed a distinguished professor, 

Not any more she isnt, she's dead.


>and Irving 
> is indeed nothing more than a sensationalist, racialist British journalist 
> since he abandoned all pretence at being a historian.


Irving is not and never has been a journalist. He is the world's leading 
Hitler scholar. Whatever his sexual proclivities, before he fell into the 
clutches of Organised Jewry he produced some spectacular work. Yes, I know 
about PQ17. So what.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Fri Sep  8 23:05:14 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: soc.history,alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: c3w Emperor Napoleon's History  - Fact of Fiction?
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In article <42nb6i$du5@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com>
           a2ce3wog@ix.netcom.com "Maczuga Kaus - assimilated cat3wog " writes:

> Napoleon's history fact or fiction?

There's a very good satire written on Napoleon which concludes that he
didn't exist. It was published about 1820.
>  
> 

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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Subject: Re: c3w  if HISTORY is a LIE
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In article <42lg7c$5e8@news.mr.net> dave@csoft.com "Dave Weigel" writes:
There were about 20,000
> >> > such individuals, out of a German gay population estimated to be
> >> > 1.5 million in 1933. 

Out of a population of about 60 million, about a third of them children,
there were 1.5 million faggots? This sounds like more Nazi propaganda. Ie we
got rid of the faggots, therefore Germany is now a wonderful place thanks to
us. Vote Hitler for a faggot free Reich.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: HUMAN SKIN LAMPSHADES - A CRUEL ABERRATION
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In article 
           karlpov@access5.digex.net "Charles R.L. Power" writes:

 
> My experience here is that all discussion of lampshades and soap has been
> initiated by deniers; we on the other side recognize that these matters
> are atypical and relatively unimportant compared to that other matter you
> still can't stand to recognize, the systematic, gratuitous murder of 
> millions of human beings on the basis not of military or political
> expediency but simply of their ancestry.


If you say that, you haven't read much survivor literature. It's full of it.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <42o3g5$erl@dns.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:

> 
>    On the other hand Baron was making his usual claim of conspiratorial 
> silencing of revisionists.  His tale had the following elements:
> 
>    1.  The teacher (unnamed) was fired from her job (at an unnamed educational 
> institution).
> 
>     2.  That the firing was because she taught Holocaust revisionism.
> 
>     3.  That the firing was because of pressure brought by the ADL.
> 
>     None of these statements were accurate.  None of these statements are 
> even similar to what happened to Jeffries.  In my opinion the gross 
> misstatements are typical of the way Baron (and, for that matter, most 
> conspiracy buffs) operates.  It is also a reason why nothing that Baron writes 
> can be taken seriously unless there is independent confirmation.

Mike, I am not a conspiracy buff. Organised Jewry shouts jump, the government
says How High? Where's a conspiracy? If I made a mistake over Jeffrey then I
apologise. I can provide excellent documentation on the power of these monsters.
Who got Andrew Young sacked for meeting with the PLO? Try reading Rabbi Kahane's
excellent book. You can hardly call him an anti-Semite.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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Subject: Re: THE SET OF RULES WHICH IS APPROPRIATE HERE
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In article <72176958wnr@stumpy.demon.co.uk>
           jeff@stumpy.demon.co.uk "Jeff" writes:
 
>  "the set of rules which is appropriate here, and I'll just keep it vague, 
> hoping my meaning is clear." 


What rule did Mike Stein break? Believing any Holocaust Revisionist could be
sincere? Why don't you tell us, Dr Keren?


-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <42o6kb$tfo@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:
 
> No. What I mean by making a substantial comment on the evidence is to
> examine some actual evidence like statements in a document which
> indicate that specific actions were undertaken and to describe what
> those actions mean. Let me give you two examples:
> 
> The Topf firm sent a memo to the SS Zentral-Bauleitung on March 2,
> 1943 in response to a request for gas detectors to be installed in the
> "Leichenkeller" at Auschwitz-Birkenau Krema II. The request was
> specifically for detectors which could detect prussic acid (HCN). Topf
> responded that they had contacted several firms in search of gas
> detectors and would let the SS know when they were able to obtain
> them.
> 
> The final design for Krema II called for a metal connecting pipe to be
> installed in the cieling that could channel hot air from the furnace
> either into the smoke stack or into the "Leichenkeller" depending on
> whether a sliding damper was opened or closed. A memo approving the
> purchase and agreeing on the price was sent to Topf on March 6, 1943.
> Later correspondance between Topf and the SS called for repairs to the
> connecting pipe and dampers.

So the above are what you consider real evidence? When the chips are down
all the eyewitness testimonies count for nothing. Perhaps at last you have
realised how unreliable they all are. 

When did this Topf memo come to light? 



-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <42o9qe$s64@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu>
           cacst9+@pitt.edu "Cecelia A Clancy" writes:

> In article ,
> Daniel Keren  wrote:
> >A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk wrote:
> >
> [Al Barron to Mike Stein] and when I'm elected Fuhrer 
>                           I'll make you my Court Jew.
> 
> Al, Mike Stein was sticking up for you and this is how 
> you thank him?

Would you like to know what I'd do with Dan Keren?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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Baron's published defence of Halakhic morality and Jewish  values 
against  the  forces of darkness, for which he  was  rewarded  by 
being smeared as an anti-Semite. With typical Zionist  disrespect 
for  truth, the $Jewish Chronicle$ referred to this as  an  anti-
Zionist pamphlet that "also attacks homosexuals". For the record,
this was published with Rabbinic approval in 1993.


Artwork  will  not upload. This pamphlet (and others)  are  still 
available. E-Mail me for a full list.


EXPOSED!


THE HOMOSEXUAL PLOT TO DESTROY ORTHODOX JUDAISM



Aided  and  Abetted by the "Jewish Chronicle" and  the  Board  of 
Zionist Deputies


OY GAY? NO WAY! 

SAYS LORD JAKOBOVITS, 

AND THE WAR AGAINST HALAKHAH CONTINUES 

AS FANATICS ATTACK CHIEF RABBI EMERITUS 

FOR DENOUNCING SYNAGOGUE OF SODOMY


By Gerry Atkinson and Graham Gable

Edited by A Rabbi

   


                              2nd Printing






The Homosexual Plot To Destroy Orthodox Judaism


It is an open secret that Lord Jakobovits was retired prematurely 
as  Chief  Rabbi on account of his principled  stand  on  Zionist 
atrocities against the Palestinian people. "What, you think these 
vermin  have  rights? Isn't six million  Jews  enough?"  screamed 
Organised  Jewry with one voice, and the Chief Rabbi was  quietly 
put  out  to grass. But you can't keep a good man  down,  and  it 
wasn't long before the distinguished Talmudic scholar was voicing 
his  concern over another blasphemy against Judaism:  homosexual-
ity.
While  only Zionists and their fellow enemies of  humanity  think 
it's  okay to beat up Palestinians, throw them off the  roofs  of 
their  houses and shoot their children, an increasing  number  of 
people - Jew and Gentile - think it's okay to engage in  homosex-
ual  practices. This is due largely to a very effective  campaign 
of disinformation by the organised homosexual movement worldwide, 
aided and abetted by leftist and "civil rights" organisations.
Before  we  go any further, let us make quite clear what  is  our 
position: we are not advocating that homosexuals be  "oppressed", 
thrown  into jail, ostracised, fired from their jobs, beaten  up, 
or persecuted in any way. There is no moral case in $English$ law 
for  criminalising sexually deviant behaviour. But $Halakhah$  is 
not English law; $Halakhah$ is a higher code, the law under which 
Orthodox  Jews $choose$ to live. A Jew who does not keep  $Halak-
hah$ is not a Jew in any meaningful sense of the word. $Halakhah$ 
proscribes homosexual behaviour under punishment of death. There-
fore:

YOU CAN'T BE BOTH JEWISH $AND$ A PRACTISING HOMOSEXUAL 

OY GAY? NO WAY!

No synagogue can condone sin.


Enter Lord Jakobovits


On 23rd July, 1993, the $Jewish Chronicle$ - the diseased  "organ 
of  British Jewry" -  reported that Lord Jakobovits had  compared 
homosexuality  with  stealing, adultery and murder and  had  sug-
gested that it would be a good idea to use genetic engineering to 
eliminate this poison from society forever. (1) Lord  Jakobovits, 
an expert on medical ethics, ruled out abortion in this  context, 
but  he did say that as well as genetic engineering it  would  be 
possible (desirable) to train potential sodomites into heterosex-
ual  norms.  Lord Jakobovits' views did not go down at  all  well 
with  "progressive" Jews, [sic] while his wise words were  forth-
rightly condemned by the secretary of the Jewish Lesbian and  Gay 
Helpline [sic] who called the suggestion morally reprehensible.


Soft Selling Sin


The  word $gay$ has long been used by sodomites to promote  homo-
sexuality, to give it a clean image as it were. (2) A perusal  of 
homosexual publications is enough to confirm this: homosexual men 
are  portrayed as muscular, healthy, vibrant, the sort of  person 
you  wouldn't  mind having for a neighbour, a brother or  even  a 
son.  Instead of the disease-infested wretches they  really  are. 
Needless  to  say, this image is a lie, a veneer  carefully  con-
structed  to deceive and seduce the non-homosexual majority  into 
the  na<139>ve  and  erroneous belief  that  homosexuality  is  a 
$positive alternative$ to being $straight$, and that  homosexuals 
are jolly good chaps just like the rest of us. While  homosexuals 
and the corrupt media have been very successful in promoting this 
image,  it doesn't take much probing to reveal it for the  brazen 
lie it is.


Sodomy: The Disgusting Facts Behind The "Gay" Myth


Homosexual behaviour is abnormal and disgusting in many ways. The 
homosexual  sex act (anal intercourse) involves insertion of  the 
penis into the anus. Unlike the uterus, the anus is not  designed 
as  a receptacle and is therefore prone to damage and  infection. 
This can and does result in the spread of all manner of  disgust-
ing diseases to all parts of the body. But sodomy is not the only 
perverted sexual act that homosexuals engage in. They also insert 
objects  into  the anus. (3) Including fists! This  is  known  as 
fisting  or  hand-balling. (4) Many engage in oral sex  as  well, 
sometimes even going straight from anal to oral. (5)  Homosexuals 
urinate  and defecate on each other; they engage in bizarre  acts 
of  flagellation, torture, self-mutilation and the  ingestion  of 
faecal matter. 
It  is  difficult if not impossible for a pious  $Torah$  Jew  to 
realise  just  how sick, perverted and disgusting some  of  these 
homosexual  practices  and the people who engage in  them  really 
are.  The  following extract will perhaps give  the  reader  some 
inkling of an idea. Alarmed over the spread of AIDS, the authori-
ties in the United States attempted to shut down homosexual  dens 
of iniquity. When health officials visited one homosexual  estab-
lishment in New York, the $Mine Shaft$, they found the  following 
scenes:

"The  place  smelled sour. It was crowded with men  dressed  like 
cowboys, bikers, construction workers; some wore only jockstraps, 
others  wore  nothing....There were gym horses, and a  cross  for 
mock  crucifixions. Inspectors saw men giving and  getting  blow-
jobs,  [oral  sex] sodomizing and being sodomized. Just  as  some 
inspectors were about to enter a backroom, they reportedly  heard 
what sounded like a whip and screams. They decided to investigate 
no further." (6)

As  if this were not bad enough, there are two other  aspects  of 
the  $gay$ life which give grave cause for  concern:  promiscuous 
sex and anonymous sex. Like sexual perversion, promiscuity is  by 
no  means  confined to homosexuals, of course, but most  men  and 
women seldom sleep with more than one partner at a time. (7)  For 
homosexuals though, it is quite $normal$ to have a dozen or  more 
sexual partners in one week! Often in total anonymity. Homosexual 
activist Dennis Altman has written:

"Large-scale luxurious pleasure palaces where everyone is  poten-
tially  an immediate sexual partner are a common sexual  fantasy; 
only  for gay men they are a commonplace reality...Men  in  bath-
houses  rarely talk much, and it is quite common for sex to  take 
place without words, let alone names, being exchanged." (8)

It  is  this  sort of poison Lord Jakobovits would  like  to  see 
removed  from society forever, and for this he is  called  repre-
hensible! 


AIDS: G-d's Plan For Homosexuals


Over  the  past  decade we have witnessed the spectre  of  a  new 
plague stalking the world with a vengeance: the spectre of  AIDS. 
How did this come about? Contrary to homosexual propaganda,  AIDS 
is primarily a disease of filth and perversion, although it  also 
infects  intravenous drugs users and is thought to be  widespread 
in  Africa, primarily because of poor public hygiene and  sanita-
tion. The question on everyone's lips is: why did AIDS come about 
in the 1980s? Now that you know something about homosexual  beha-
viour,  you'll realise that it's a miracle it didn't happen  soo-
ner.
The reason it didn't is simple. Up until fairly recently,  social 
taboos  and mores have kept homosexuals in the closet where  they 
belong. We have until recent times lived in a world where many if 
not  most  of us were repressed. It's not that many  years  since 
women  were  considered the mere chattels of men, blacks  had  to 
"know  their place", Jews were not welcome in  "polite  society", 
and  ordinary working men had to doff their caps to the  lord  of 
the manor.
The  world  is a better place for the end of such  hypocrisy  and 
bigotry, but it is a fallacy that all change means progress. Some 
social  taboos exist for good reason. In the Latin countries  for 
example there is a strong taboo against drunkenness. As a  result 
of  this, even though people in Italy and the other  Latin  coun-
tries  drink  more than in Britain, these countries have  a  much 
less  serious  alcohol problem. Sexual offences and  divorce  are 
also lower. The lifting of the taboo on homosexuality has led  to 
more  homos  $coming out$ and to a consequent  upsurge  in  their 
debauchery. But still they are not satisfied and are now pressing 
for $anti-discrimination$ laws.


Queer By Compulsion


The two biggest lies the organised homosexual movement has spread 
are  that  homosexuality  is a $positive  alternative$  to  being 
$straight$  and that homosexuality is very common. (9) The  irre-
sponsible claim is often made now that up to ten percent or  even 
more  of  the  population is homosexual. (10)  For  example,  the 
London  Lesbian  and Gay Centre [sic] published  an  "information 
sheet" which claimed that there are at least 750,000 lesbians and 
homosexuals in Greater London. (11) In reality it is doubtful  if 
there are that many in Western Europe. In spite of the  absurdity 
of  this  massive  lie, homosexual agitators  have  succeeded  in 
convincing a substantial percentage of social policy makers  that 
homosexuals  are  "under-represented" in positions of  power  and 
certain  professions by virtue of $discrimination$ against  them. 
Their ultimate aim is to make $all$ such $discrimination$  unlaw-
ful,  and in this sinister campaign they have found two  powerful 
allies:  Organised (Zionist) Jewry and the  "anti-fascist"  move-
ment.
Both  the Zionist movement and the misnamed "anti-fascist"  move-
ment have agitated long and hard for anti-discrimination legisla-
tion.  In reality this campaign involves the destruction of  free 
speech, freedom of association (and non-association) and the mass 
subversion  of  individual rights. By claiming  to  combat  anti-
Jewish  discrimination  they have  enlisted  considerable  Jewish 
support. If you have supported such legislation in the past,  you 
had best think again. Because here are some of the things it  can 
and will lead to:

You  want to let a room in your house. A homosexual applies.  You 
turn him down as a prospective tenant and face prosecution.

You  want to hire someone to work in your business: a  homosexual 
applies. You turn him down; he reports you, and you are forced to 
pay him massive "compensation" for "emotional damage".

You  decide  to  sell you house. Your  devout  Jewish  neighbours  
object to you selling it to a homosexual. You refuse to do so and 
you are thrown into prison. (12)

You  own  a bookshop and refuse to stock or sell  queer  porn.  A 
homosexual  publishing company reports you and you are fined  and 
threatened with jail unless you acquiesce. 

And so on. And there will be no escaping the consequences if such 
legislation  is brought into force, because the onus will  be  on 
you  to $prove$ that you did not discriminate. (13) If you  think 
this scenario is absurd, think again, remember Robert Relf,  (see 
note 12). When the Learned Elders have dealt with $racial$  bigo-
try  they will turn their attentions to sexual  $bigotry$.  Don't 
say  it $can't$ happen here: every Jew living in  Weimar  Germany 
said the same thing. And look what happened there!
It  may even be possible that a homosexual Rabbi is appointed  to 
your  synagogue.  And it may be possible that your  children  are 
given  compulsory  $gay  lessons$, even  in  an  Orthodox  Jewish 
school.  Don't say this $can't$ happen; it already has! In  1986, 
Rachel  Tingle published a booklet called $Gay Lessons$  (14)  in 
which she catalogued the attempts of the Greater London Council - 
for the most part successful - to inculcate pro-homosexual values 
in our children. One of these is by portraying homosexuals as  an 
"oppressed minority". The organised homosexual movement and their 
socialist allies pretend that all minorities are "oppressed", but 
a moment's thought shows this to be absurd. Everybody belongs  to 
at least one minority, even if it's only by virtue of his or  her 
profession. Convicted murderers are a minority, but no one in his 
right  mind would claim that murderers are oppressed  simply  be-
cause they are locked up.
In  her  short but shocking study, Tingle also reveals  that  the 
London Gay Teachers's Group [sic] supported "the right of  paedo-
philes to organise" and during the 1981 trial of four members  of 
PIE, (the so-called Paedophile Information Exchange), this  orga-
nisation published an article in their support. (15)  Paedophiles 
are  people  - overwhelmingly men - who want to  legalise  sexual 
relations between adults and children. They are known to  operate 
international child pornography rackets. Their ranks include many 
men  with convictions for serious sexual offences against  child-
ren.


Lord Jakobovits Defends Halakhah; 

The Jewish Chronicle Attacks It


It  is ironic that the $Jewish Chronicle$, the publication  which 
makes  more noise over anti-Semitism - real and imagined  -  than 
any  other  in  this country, is in the forefront  of  the  fight 
against Orthodox Judaism. Or is it? The truth is that in spite of 
its  name, the $Jewish Chronicle$ is no more Jewish than  Hitler. 
Curiously, no one appears to have accused the Chief Rabbi  Emeri-
tus  of endorsing Nazi theories of "racial hygiene".  To  preempt  
this suggestion we would like to point out that in Weimar  Germa-
ny, homosexuality was regarded as a Nazi perversion, even commun-
ists reviled it. What short memories people have. (16)
The  $Jewish  Chronicle$ is the diseased organ of the  even  more 
diseased secular Anglo-Jewish establishment. Avowedly Zionist, it 
mocks  everything  Judaism  stands for. The fact  that  it  gives 
favourable  publicity to self-professed sodomites should come  as 
no surprise. The same issue which crowed over the attack on  Lord 
Jakobovits  carried  this grotesque cartoon (see  page  7)  which 
portrays  devout  Hassidic  Jews as  dinosaurs.  Worthy  of  $Der 
St<129>rmer$, we think!
Lord  Jakobovits  has  made a  principled  stand  for  $Halakhah$ 
against  the  forces of darkness - the enemies of  Judaism,  and, 
ultimately, of all mankind. He deserves your support. If homosex-
uals want to drown in their own poison, that is their right,  but 
let  them  do so behind closed doors in their  own  AIDS-infested 
communities. And if Zionists and "anti-fascists" want to aid  and 
abet them, let them do so, but not in Stamford Hill. Or  anywhere 
else where Jews live under 613 Biblical commandments.


Too Late For The Churches?


Although there now exist openly homosexual, religious Jews, [sic] 
the perverts' war against $Halakhah$ has still to be won. But for 
the  Christian Churches, the fight may already be over.  The  Gay 
Christian  Movement [sic] is well-established; there  are  openly 
homosexual clergymen and at least one $gay$ prayer book [sic].  A 
whole  homosexual  sub-culture exists within  the  Church.  Once, 
Jesus only wanted your soul; now he wants your arsehole as well.


They Want Your Children


You  may not think we're serious when we tell you that they  want 
your  children,  but  believe us, we are. And they  do.  We  have 
already  mentioned  the activities of the late  (and  unlamented) 
Greater  London Council. Unfortunately, this was only the tip  of 
the  iceberg.  Although the GLC is gone, the perverts  are  still 
among us, and they are stepping up their propaganda. 


Your Money Funds Their Poison


In 1983, a thoroughly obnoxious homosexual publishing house,  the 
Gay  Men's  Press,  [sic] published a grotesque  piece  of  filth 
called  $Jenny  lives with Eric and Martin$. (17) This  book  was 
aimed at children and portrayed sodomy as normal by relating  the 
-  thank  G-d - imaginary story of a young girl living  with  her 
faggot  father and his male "lover". (18) Fortunately,  this  was 
too  much even for spiritually diseased Britain to  stomach,  but 
$gay$  youth groups [sic] now operate openly,  seducing  confused 
young  men  (and girls), many not yet out of  school,  trying  to 
convince them that if they believe they are attracted to  members 
of the same sex that they should "come out". (19)
An equally obnoxious feature of this campaign to poison the minds 
of our children is the fact that this cesspit of human  depravity 
Gay Men's Press [sic] was subsidised by the GLC. In the financial 
year   1983-4,  Gay  Men's  Press  [sic]  received  a  total   of 
<156>15,000 in GLC approved grants. (20)


Perverts' Agenda Is Not Hidden


Some  people  laugh at claims that an attempt is  being  made  to 
subvert society by the forces of darkness. "Oh, I see, it's all a 
conspiracy,  is it?" is one reaction. The threat is real, but  it 
is certainly $not $a conspiracy. The reason it is not is  because 
conspiracies  are secret, and$ there is nothing secret about  the 
way  sodomites are seeking to destroy our society$. Indeed,  they 
are  quite open and brazen about it. Here is what they say  them-
selves.
In 1979, the Gay Liberation Information Service [sic] published a 
manifesto.  This was not the first edition either. (21)  In  this 
"manifesto", they refer to "the indoctrination of the small child 
with these attitudes", (page 6). These "attitudes" refers to  the 
way  ordinary people - you - bring up their children, ie as  nor-
mal.  In other words, they believe that $you$ are  indoctrinating 
$your$  children.  As indoctrination is a form  of  coercion,  it 
follows  that they will next insist that your children  be  taken 
>from   you and instructed in the $correct$ attitude towards  homo-
sexuality.
The  entire  pamphlet  is an assault  on  family  values,  Judeo-
Christian morality, indeed, on everything Judaism stands for. And 
just  to make sure you are in no possible doubt as to  what  will 
happen  if you object to having your children spoonfed with  this 
poison, they tell you:
On  page 12, they state: "We do not intend to ask  for  anything. 
$We  intend to stand firm and assert our basic rights$.  If  this 
involves violence, it will not be we who initiate this, but those 
who attempt to stand in our way to freedom." (Their italics)

In  other words, they will use force to assert their $rights$  to 
poison  the minds of $your$ children. Again, don't say  it  can't 
happen here. It $is$ happening here!


The Real "Positive Alternative"


Whether  or  not  homosexuality is due to nature,  nurture  or  a 
combination of the two, like all sin it is ultimately a voluntary 
act.  No man has to sodomise another. The real positive  alterna-
tive  for  homosexuals is celibacy. Sex isn't like food,  no  one 
ever died through abstinence, though thousands have already  died 
through  sin, and millions more will die in the AIDS  $holocaust$ 
that is yet to come.


Even The "Jew-Wise" Abhor This Poison


$The  Truth  At  Last$, (formerly the $Thunderbolt$)  is  a  long 
established  American  newspaper.  Published in  support  of  the 
Christian  fundamentalist National States Rights Party, it has  a 
long  history of attacking blacks and Jews. Recently  however  it 
appears to have realised that the Western world faces a far  more 
serious threat than the odd black mugger and the supposedly  all-
pervasive  international Jewish conspiracy. In issue 364 it  pub-
lished a two page expos<130> of the disease of homosexuality.  We 
are proud to reproduce part of it here, (see centre pages). There 
are  only  two points on which we take issue with $The  Truth  At 
Last's$ position: one is that it refers to homosexuals as $gays$; 
we  believe  that to use the language of the enemy is  to  accept 
their propaganda. 
The  other  is  that editor Dr Fields is  forever  attacking  the 
$Talmud$  as  the source of all depravity and  immorality.  Every 
issue  of his paper advertises anti-Semitic books, and he has  on 
occasion  published  bogus  quotes from the  $Talmud$.  We  would 
suggest to Dr Fields that if he actually reads the $Talmud$, (22) 
rather  than the forever recycled calumnies of  John  Eisenmenger 
(23)  and  his successors, he might at last wake up to  the  fact 
that  Judaism  is as far removed from  perversion  and  communism 
$and$ Zionism as are his fundamentalist Christian principles.


Compare:

The $Old Testament:

Leviticus 18:22 "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womank-
ind: it is abomination." 

20:13 "And if a man lie with mankind, as with womankind, both  of 
them  have  committed abomination: they shall surely  be  put  to 
death..."

[The  above is taken from the Cambridge University Press  edition 
of  the $Holy Bible$, Revised Version in Verses,  (undated).  The 
wording varies slightly in some versions but the message  remains 
the same: sodomy is a sin against G-d and man].


And the $Talmud$

SANHEDRIN$ 54

MISHNAH$. HE WHO COMMITS SODOMY WITH A MALE OR A BEAST, AND A 
WOMAN THAT COMMITS BESTIALITY ARE STONED.

GEMARA:  "...There  shall  be  no sodomite  of  the  sons  of 
Israel..."$


Homosexuality And Anti-Semitism
 

There is yet another reason you should keep the sodomites out  of 
your  synagogue: anti-Semitism. It is an indisputable  fact  that 
hard  core anti-Semites blame the Jews for every evil  under  the 
sun.  Because some banks are owned by Jews, the  Jews  monopolise 
the  economy; because some communists are Jews, Bolshevism  is  a 
Jewish plot; because the Zionists are the murderers and torturers 
of the Palestinians, all Jews are Zionists and all are guilty  of 
Zionist  atrocities; and so on. And if some Jews are seen  openly 
or  covertly to do anything but condemn homosexuality,  all  Jews 
will  be blamed for the spread of this poison, $or even  for  the 
spread  of AIDS itself$. And, in the current  political  climate, 
the  possibility of the general population endorsing this  poiso-
nous anti-Semitic ideology is a very real threat. (24)
This is no idle speculation; in the fifties, when a Jewish doctor 
invented  a vaccine, an American anti-Semite used this to  accuse 
the  Jews  of infecting children with live polio germs.  (25)  In 
America, all manner of weird conspiracy theories about AIDS  have 
been  circulated,  and not just by the lunatic fringe.  In  turn, 
homosexuals  have slandered Africans by trying to blame them  for 
the spread of a disease which is transmitted primarily by $their$ 
disgusting practices. (26)


Resist Emotional Blackmail


The  Zionists have got their own way for decades by branding  the 
$goyim$  anti-Semitic, and have kicked Jews into line  by  other, 
more  subtle  means. Now, the organised  homosexual  movement  is 
using the same dirty tricks as Organised Zionist Jewry. "Give  us 
what we want or we'll call you $homophobic$!" they scream. (27)
Don't bow to this emotional blackmail, don't be afraid of  people 
calling you names. Wear the insult like a badge of pride. If  you 
appease these poisoners of the racial soul, your communities will 
be  polluted forever. But if we all resist them and isolate  them 
like  the pariahs they are, they'll all be dead from AIDS by  the 
end of the century.


>From  Wailing And Gnashing Of Teeth To Terror Tactics


The  aforementioned Gay Christian Movement [sic] has been in  the 
forefront  of  the subversion of the Church. It has  published  a 
magazine  since  1976.  (28) The October 1986  issue  carried  an 
article  called $Jewishness and Gayness$. (29) In  this  article, 
the  author, one Geoffrey Thompson, (30) tried to liken the  Nazi 
persecution  of the Jews to the ostracism society  rightly  prac-
tices  against sexual degenerates. This is an insult to the  vic-
tims of Nazism and indeed to the victims of religious and  racial 
persecution throughout history. 
As  with so many of their fellow travellers - the socialists  for 
instance - when specious logic fails, the fairies get bitchy.  As 
long  ago as 1977, the Gay Christian Movement [sic]  disrupted  a 
major  church meeting. (31) How would you like this to happen  in 
your  synagogue? Don't say it couldn't; there are  already  $gay$ 
synagogues in the United States. (32) They could soon be  compul-
sory here if the perverts get their way! 
It  should  also  be noted that these  AIDS-infested  enemies  of 
Judeo-Christian  morality have grown more not less militant  over 
the years; there have been a number of well-staged demonstrations 
by angry homosexuals and their fellow travellers demanding  their 
"rights", in other words, the right to pollute the minds of  your 
children at your expense. And their propaganda is infecting  more 
and more of our young people. (33) In 1993 there were two massive 
$gay  pride$ [sic] festivals/marches in America and  Britain.  It 
was  estimated that up to a million people joined the  Washington 
march and as many as a quarter of a million the Brixton event. In 
spite  of homosexual propaganda, only a tiny percentage of  these 
people can have been homosexual or homosexual-oriented. How  much 
longer will it be before all our children - and yours - have been 
brainwashed by this poison?

The End Of Judaism?


Although Jewish historians and commentators often exaggerate  the 
full  extent of persecution and suffering endured by  the  Jewish 
people  throughout  the  ages, there can be no  doubt  that  this 
suffering  for them - as for many other peoples - was  real.  The 
$Talmud$ was often burned for no better reason than the supersti-
tion  and ignorance of "Christian" peoples; Jews were accused  of 
ritual  murder,  and tortured until they confessed, in  much  the 
same  way as lonely old women were tortured until they  confessed 
to  riding  on broomsticks or having sexual  relations  with  the 
Devil. Then there were pogroms, then there was the Nazi  persecu-
tion.  Throughout all these trials and  tribulations,  throughout 
all  this persecution and suffering, the Jewish  people  survived 
with  their religious identity intact. Did Judaism endure all  of 
this so that its sons and daughters could be blackmailed, intimi-
dated and bullied into acknowledging sodomy as a "positive alter-
native" to Jewish living? 
If  you  think Judaism is worth defending,  worth  saving,  worth 
handing down to your children, your children's children and  your 
children's, children's children, the time has come to fight back. 
When  the perverts come knocking at your door, when they turn  up 
at  your  synagogue, when they demand "equal  rights"  and  state 
subsidies (your tax money) for their perversions, you must answer 
a resounding NO!


Halahkah? Ah, Halakhah!


In  his scurrilous attack on our very first  publication,  Julian 
Tossoff of the un-$Jewish Chronicle$ implied that we had misspelt 
$Halakhah$, ie as $Halahkah$. (34) We replied that we  considered 
$Halahkah$  to be a valid transliteration. However,  after  these 
publications  (35)  went to press, we  realised  that  $Halahkah$ 
should have been rendered thus: $Halakhah$. Actually, the  Ortho-
dox Rabbi who acts as our technical consultant did tell us at the 
time that he personally would have used a different  translitera-
tion, but didn't consider it worth correcting. Some people render 
$Halacha$ thus.
We concede that we transliterated incorrectly, and humbly  apolo-
gise to Mr Tossoff. We trust that he will draw any other spelling 
mistakes  to  our attention in between wailing and  gnashing  his 
teeth at us. For our part we can only say that we are  profoundly 
disappointed  that a man who can recite the letter of  $The  Law$ 
understands so little of the spirit of it. 




Not every Jew is afraid to call a spade a spade or a degenerate a 
degenerate. The letter below appeared in the August 1991 issue of 
$New Moon$, the Jewish "events magazine". We suspect that  Miriam 
Bowman is a reform or non-practising rather than Orthodox Jewess, 
like most readers of this magazine. Unfortunately, hers is almost 
a lone voice, indeed, people from all ethnic groups are  becoming 
increasingly intimidated against speaking out over this cancer.



Above,  the grotesque cartoon portraying Hassidic Jews  as  dino-
saurs which was published in the $Jewish Chronicle$ on July  23rd 
1993.  In  almost every issue the $Jewish  Chronicle$  wails  and 
whines  about anti-Semitism. Every time someone  somewhere,  says 
something unflattering about the Jews or the quasi-fascist  state 
of Israel the paper screams $Holocaust$, even if that person  has 
or thinks he has a genuine grievance. On the other hand, when the 
$Jewish Chronicle$ wants to attack the more devout members of the 
community, it does so not only with impunity but portrays them as 
slimy,  foul-smelling,  extinct  reptiles. If  this  cartoon  had 
appeared in a British National Party publication there would have 
been  loud demands to prosecute the editor under the $Race  Rela-
tions Act$.


Not every Jew is afraid to call a spade a spade or a degenerate a 
degenerate. The letter below appeared in the August 1991 issue of 
$New Moon$, the Jewish "events magazine". We suspect that  Miriam 
Bowman is a reform or non-practising rather than Orthodox Jewess, 
like most readers of this magazine. Unfortunately, hers is almost 
a lone voice, indeed, people from all ethnic groups are  becoming 
increasingly intimidated against speaking out over this cancer.



Above,  the grotesque cartoon portraying Hassidic Jews  as  dino-
saurs which was published in the $Jewish Chronicle$ on July  23rd 
1993.  In  almost every issue the $Jewish  Chronicle$  wails  and 
whines  about anti-Semitism. Every time someone  somewhere,  says 
something unflattering about the Jews or the quasi-fascist  state 
of Israel the paper screams $Holocaust$, even if that person  has 
or thinks he has a genuine grievance. On the other hand, when the 
$Jewish Chronicle$ wants to attack the more devout members of the 
community, it does so not only with impunity but portrays them as 
slimy,  foul-smelling,  extinct  reptiles. If  this  cartoon  had 
appeared in a British National Party publication there would have 
been  loud demands to prosecute the editor under the $Race  Rela-
tions Act$.


Notes And References


(1) $Ex-Chief Rabbi endorses genetic engineering to stop homosex-
uality: Progressives join gays in attack on Lord Jakobovits$,  by 
Valerie  Monchi,  page 1, $Jewish Chronicle$, July 23,  1993,  AV 
5,5753.
(2)  This  disgusting euphemism has been  used  very  effectively 
towards  that  end, but originally of course it  meant  something 
entirely different. According to the $Encyclopedia of Homosexual-
ity$, * the phrase $gay cat$ first appeared in print in 1933.  In 
1955, an English journalist defined $gay$ as "an American euphem-
ism  for  homosexual". ** There are other  adaptations  too,  but 
although  some  older  people still use the word  in  its  proper 
context  - happy, cheerful etc - to all intents and purposes  the 
word $gay$ has been "verbally kidnapped" by the spiritual descen-
dants of Sodom and Gomorrah as part of a conscious plan to under-
mine  the fabric of society and to destroy the family  unit,  and 
everything decent people everywhere treasure, especially Orthodox 
Jews.
* The $Encyclopedia of Homosexuality$, Edited by Wayne R.  Dynes, 
published by St. James Press, London, (1990).
** (Ibid). See in particular Volume I pages 455-6.
(3) Heterosexuals too engage in sodomy, it may even be that  many 
couples  try  it  once or twice out of bravado  or  for  whatever 
reason.  In fact, almost all if not all the sexual acts  homosex-
uals engage in are also engaged in by heterosexuals at times. But 
there can be no comparison either between the nature of  homosex-
ual  and heterosexual perversion nor the scale of it. To draw  an 
analogy,  a middle-aged woman who shoplifts a tin of salmon  from 
her  local delicatessen is a thief, but one cannot possibly  com-
pare  an otherwise respectable woman with a man who  has  twenty-
seven convictions for burglary, obtaining money by deception  and 
kiting cheques.
(4)  There  is  also $footing$, apparently,  which  involves  the 
insertion  of  (presumably part of) the foot into  the  anus.  We 
leave it to the imagination what $gerballing$ means.
(5)  A  particularly disgusting example of this is given  in  the 
book $The Silent Community$. * 
"Alex, on the other hand, does not fast before going to the bath. 
He  takes repeated enemas until the lower bowel tract  is  clean. 
During  sex,  Alex likes to switch between oral and  anal  sodomy 
without stopping to clean off..."
*  From  page  142 of $The Silent  Community:  Public  Homosexual 
Encounters$, by Edward William Delph, published by Sage  Publica-
tions, (1978).
The  author of this study of human depravity researched his  book 
by  following homosexuals around the subways and toilets  of  New 
York  City. The expression "going to the bath" is a reference  to 
bathhouses  where homosexuals engage in practices more vile  than 
anything conceived of in Sodom and Gomorrah. 
(6) From page 183 of $The Plague Years: A Chronicle of AIDS,  The 
Epidemic  of Our Times$, by David Black, published by  Simon  and 
Schuster, New York, (1986).
(7)  Even young, single, sexually active men and women  generally 
remain  loyal  to their partner of the moment. A married  man  or 
married  woman who has "an affair" will often sleep with  his/her 
spouse  and lover more or less simultaneously, but although  they 
may  be sordid emotionally, most married peoples' affairs do  not 
involve either sexual perversion or wild promiscuity.
(8)  Originally  in his book $AIDS in the Mind of  America$,  but 
taken  here from page 196 of $The Myth of Heterosexual AIDS$,  by 
Michael Fumento, published by Basic Books, New York, (1990).
(9) A third big lie is that anyone can catch AIDS. Although  this 
statement is, strictly speaking, true, it is usually  interpreted 
to  mean  that everyone is equally at risk, ie that AIDS  is  not 
primarily  a homosexual disease. We have already seen how  big  a 
lie that is. This does not mean that AIDS cannot be contracted by 
either  bad fortune or by heterosexual sexual practices, it  can, 
but  primarily  AIDS is a disease  of  filth.  Homosexual-related 
filth.
(10) This rubbish can be traced to the bogus Kinsey report  which 
was  produced by the American sex "expert" Dr Alfred  Kinsey.  In 
particular Kinsey and his staff published two reports on male and 
female sexuality respectively. * If one reads either report  with 
a  grain of skepticism, one soon realises what utter rubbish  the 
entire  study is. An investigation of Kinsey and co's work  would 
take  us  far afield, but the interested reader  is  referred  to 
$KINSEY,  SEX AND FRAUD: The Indoctrination Of A People$,  by  Dr 
Judith  A. Reisman and Edward W. Eichel, published by  Lochinvar-
Huntington House, Lafayette, Louisiana, (1990).
*  $Sexual  Behavior  in the Human Male$, by Kinsey  et  al,  was 
published  in  1948; $Sexual Behavior in the  Human  Female$,  by 
Kinsey et al, was published in 1953.
(11)  Page 5, $GAY LESSONS: How Public Funds are used to  promote 
homosexuality among children and young people$, by Rachel Tingle, 
published by Pickwick Books, London, (1986).
(12)  This sort of thing has already happened. In 1976, an  anti-
black,  anti-Jewish bigot named Robert Relf advertised his  house 
for  sale  to  an English family only in  defiance  of  Britain's 
Draconian race laws. When he refused to take down the advertising 
sign,  a  summons was issued against him, and when he  failed  to 
comply  with it, he was jailed for contempt of court. Jewish,  ie 
Zionist,  groups, crowed over this, but they miss the point.  Why 
should  anyone  be compelled to sell his property  to  anyone  he 
doesn't want to? Now the chickens are coming home to roost with a 
vengeance  as  perverts and degenerates take up the same  cry  of 
freedom from $discrimination$.  
(13)  To do this will of course be virtually impossible, as  many 
people and companies have already found out to their cost in both 
Britain  and  the United States when they  have  been  prosecuted 
under  Draconian  $race relations$ laws. To  its  eternal  shame, 
Organised  Jewry has played a substantial role in the  imposition 
of  such laws, and, of course, this has led to a vast  prolifera-
tion of anti-Jewish conspiracy literature.
(14) Tingle, $Gay Lessons$, (op cit).
(15) Tingle, $Gay Lessons$, page 25, (ibid). 
(16) Or perhaps we spoke too soon. On July 30 1993, the left wing 
periodical $New Statesman & Society$ contained a reference in the 
$Letters$  section (page 26) to this supposedly  so-controversial 
debate. One correspondent wrote, "as Peter Alexander, of  Bright-
on,  writes, [Lord Jakobovits] 'now seems to be  resurrecting  an 
aspect  of Nazi eugenics'." Brighton has the  largest  homosexual 
population in the country outside of London, so we will leave the 
reader to draw his own conclusions.
(17)  $Jenny lives with Eric and Martin$, by Susanne  B<148>sche, 
translated  from  the Danish by Louis Mackay,  published  by  Gay 
Men's Press, [sic] London, (1983).
(18)  The  book, which ran to fifty pages, was  illustrated  with 
photographs throughout. The girl, Jenny, was blonde, a  conscious 
attempt to degrade the $Aryan$ ideal by these pernicious peddlers 
of  poison.  The photographs showed the young girl, Jenny,  in  a 
variety of poses, including in bed with her father and his  homo-
sexual lover. 
Another of the outpourings of the vile Gay Men's Press [sic]  was 
a  homosexual novel, $The Milkman's On His Way$,   (Tingle,  page 
21, op cit).
(19)  Many  young people, of both sexes, go through  phases  when 
they  may  be  rebellious, tempted by drugs, or  think  they  are 
sexually  attracted to a member of the same sex, usually  someone 
older  they admire. Such attractions, generally  called  crushes, 
are  not  necessarily  sexual; hero worship is often  a  form  of 
crush, and may be centred on an actor, rock star, sportsman  etc. 
There  is  nothing either unnatural or obscene about  this;  like 
bed-wetting, it's something the vast majority of us grow out of. 
To  take an extreme example, many people form  emotional  attach-
ments to their pets; children, and old people, especially if they 
are lonely, may become very strongly attached to a dog, a cat, or 
even a budgerigar. When a pet dies, the owner, or even the  whole 
household, may go into mourning. To equate this sort of affection 
with lust - what homos really mean when they refer to being $gay$ 
-  is  obscene, and in the case of budgerigars,  too  absurd  for 
words.
(20)  Tingle, $Gay Lessons$, page 45, (op cit). The  author  also 
reveals  that  the London Gay Teenage Group [sic]  of  Islington, 
received grants totalling <156>14,301 in the same year. In  other 
words, London ratepayers subsidised the poisoning of their child-
ren's minds by the spawn of Satan. 
(21)  $gay liberation front manifesto$, published by  Gay  Liber-
ation  Information Service, London, (1979). This is  the  revised 
edition; the first one was published in 1971.
(22) The Soncino Press English translation is available in  major 
research libraries.
(23) Johann Andreas Eisenmenger (1654-1704) was the father of the 
modern  calumnies upon the $Talmud$. His book  $Endecktes  Juden-
thum$  ($Jewry  Unmasked$  or $Judaism  Unmasked$)  published  at 
Frankfort,  1700,  is  one of the  most  vitriolic  anti-Talmudic 
libels ever written.
(24)  The $Protocols of Zion$ is living proof of this; this is  a 
document  which  is too absurd for words, yet  very  many  highly 
intelligent  people were taken in by it, and continue to be.  The 
$Protocols$  had been through over a thousand editions  by  1967, 
and  it is still going the rounds today in both the Moslem  world 
and the West.
(25) Which may be technically correct, but the implication is too 
disgusting  for words. This claim was made by Eustace Mullins  in 
$Jews Mass Poison American Children$, an article published in the 
anti-Semitic magazine, $Women's Voice$, (page 11), June 1955. *
*  See page 215 of $ANTISEMITIC PROPAGANDA: An Annotated  Biblio-
graphy  and  Research Guide,$ by Robert Singerman,  published  by 
Garland, New York, (1982). This is a standard reference work.
(26) See page 202, Fumento, $The Myth of Heterosexual AIDS$,  (op 
cit).
(27) The word $homophobia$ was first coined in 1973. *  Literally 
fear  of  homosexuals.  This has been quietly  extended  to  mean 
hatred  of homosexuals; if you find what they do repulsive,  then 
you  must hate them. The idea of course is to make us think  that 
it is unnatural or even immoral to loathe or even not to  condone 
homosexual practices. This piece of specious claptrap is  typical 
of the broad anti-democratic left in this country and indeed  the 
world over. Most people, certainly not Orthodox Jews, do not fear 
homosexuals any more than they hate them; they simply want to  be 
free of their pernicious influence.
A  more recent term is $heterosexism$, the  supposedly  erroneous 
belief  that  the assumption of heterosexual norms is  somehow  a 
form of prejudice, akin to racial prejudice.
* Tingle, page 4, (op cit).
(28)  The first issue the current writer could locate  was  issue 
number  four  of $The Bulletin of the  Gay  Christian  Movement$, 
dated February, 1977. 
(29)  Issue 41. The magazine was then called $The Journal of  the 
Gay Christian Movement$. 
(30)  It  was not stated whether this was a Mr or  $Ms$  Geoffrey 
Thompson, but this particular piece of sophistry appeared on page 
three.
(31)  See for instance $Disruption at church$, published  in  the 
$Times$,  page  3, October 17, 1977. This reported that  the  Gay 
Christian Movement [sic] had mounted a demonstration at a meeting 
of  the Festival of Light. Presumably they wanted to  replace  it 
with a festival of filth.
(32)  Volume  I of the $Encyclopedia  Of  Homosexuality$  reports 
(page  644) the existence of these abominations citing Beth  Sim-
chat  Torah, New York and Sha'ar Zahav in San Francisco  as  "an-
other  instance of how modern Judaism has been profoundly  influ-
enced  by its Christian environment." Poisoned would be a  better 
word.
(33) Ironically, AIDS seems to have been largely responsible  for 
this. An AIDS bureaucracy of homosexual and non-homosexual  $gay$ 
rights activists [sic] and other leftists has sprung up, and some 
of  these people have considerable power and influence. And  it's 
your rates and taxes that pay for them!
(34) $Anti-Semites ask for cash in latest sophisticated forgery$, 
by Julian Kossoff, page 9, $Jewish Chronicle$, May 14th, 1993.
In the same article, Mike Whine the so-called "defence  director" 
of  the  Board  of Deputies of British  Jews,  claimed  $The  War 
Against Halahkah$ [sic], our first ever publication, was part  of 
a long running campaign by unknown anti-Semites to incite  hatred 
against Jews. Since the 1930s and indeed a long time before that, 
the  Board of Deputies has been in the forefront of the  campaign 
to destroy civil liberties in Britain, now it is siding with  the 
enemies  of Judaism. Clearly someone is inciting  hatred  against 
Jews. But it isn't us.
(35) $The War Against Halahkah$ [sic] and $Is The Jewish  Chroni-
cle A Diseased Organ?$


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-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <42qbc1$902@cnn.Princeton.EDU>
           roger@silvertone.Princeton.EDU "Roger Lustig" writes:
 
> If that's *the* Gobineau, you've latched onto an intellectual
> precursor of Nazism.  His racial theories influenced generations.

Actually, if you've read de Gobineau you'll find he wasn't a raving bigot.
He said some quite flattering things about savages.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <42ps8k$le@larry.cc.emory.edu>
           libwca@larry.cc.emory.edu "william c anderson" writes:

> Reuben Logsdon (rlogsdon@mail.utexas.edu) wrote:
> 
> : Hey, speaking of money-management, the eight proprietors of the 
> : Federal Reserve System are (according to my book, the Politics of 
> : Righteousness):
> 
> : Rothschild Banks of London, a Jewish institution
> : Lazard Brothers Banks of Paris, a Jewish institution
> : Israel Moses Seif Banks of Italy, a Jewish institution
> : Warburg Bank of Hamburg and Amsterdam, a Jewish institution
> : Lehman Brothers Bank of New York, a Jewish institution
> : Kuhn, Loeb Bank of New York, a Jewish institution
> : Chase Manhattan Bank of New York, a Gentile institution
> : Goldman, Sachs Bank of New York, a Jewish institution

This is very true, the Fed is owned by these 8 banks. (See The Most Secret
Science). You might have added tht the Rockefellers are descended from
Jews so that could be all eight. However, as one of my Rabbi friends pointed
out, the Rothschilds are Gentiles since they all married out. These "Jews",
like the Zionist cabal are Jews in name only. In fact most banks today
are corporate entities; it is not the owners of the system but the system
itself that must be changed.

Long Live SOCIAL CREDIT
 
-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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Subject: Re: 4 QUESTIONS FOR DAN KAREN
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In article <42pqrb$sn5@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>
           kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca "Ken McVay OBC" writes:

> In article <96057040wnr@stumpy.demon.co.uk>, 
> jeff@stumpy.demon.co.uk wrote:
> 
> >Keren has maintained for a long time that the Nazis DELIBERATELY starved 
> >Concentration inmates as a matter of policy. I have attempted without 
> >success to get some details of this policy.

At the Belsen trial it was stated that there were 3 rations: ordinary, 
extra (for the sick and the young) and ordinary civilian. One woman claimed
to have worked in the kitchen for something like 18 hours a day. This is only
intelligent speculation, but from one intellectual zero to another I would say
that an 18 hour shift indicated that there was plenty of food to cook.

It is apparent to me that many people survived for years in the camps; how
long does it take to starve someone to death? Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't 
change places with them, but it does appear that people only starved during
the last few months of the war. Of course, if I had a PhD in computer sciences,
I might come to a different conclusion.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <42pvq0$dqt@access5.digex.net>
           mstein@access5.digex.net "Michael P. Stein" writes:
> 
>     It doesn't seem all that different to me.  For technical reasons I do 
> prefer "annihilation" to "extermination," but in practical terms they 
> mean the same thing to me in this context.

1st skinhead: We slaughtered the Yids.
2nd skinhead: Yeah. Man United 4, Tottenham Hotspur 0

Are you sure you've got the context right, Mike?


-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article 
           schwartz@infinet.com "Sara aka Perrrfect" writes:

> In article <810507894snz@abaron.demon.co.uk>, A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk wrote:
> 
> Incidentally, 
> > the Ultra-Orthodox believe that if Hitler had singled out the queers instead
> > of the Jews the Holocaust would have been justified. 
> 
> Please back up this incredible allegation with some details. WHO are the
> "ultra-orthodox" and who is their spokesman?

The men in black hats and caftans. My Rabbi friend told me. If you don't believe
it, get one of your "gay" friends to offer a Rabbi a blow job and see what
happens.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <42vmtg$ng2@access1.digex.net>
           mstein@access1.digex.net "Michael P. Stein" writes:

>     As John pointed out, but you deleted, the Protocols were used, the 
> Topf letter wasn't.  Why forge something and never use it?

You're using it now, Mike. I suppose you could do a forensic examination.
Post the memo in full - in English - and I'll have a look.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <431iqs$i4e@pipe2.nyc.pipeline.com>
           donald05@nyc.pipeline.com "Donald Moffitt" writes:


>      Delmer, by the way, was born and raised in Germany.  His father was
> British and his mother German, and he was perfectly fluent in both
> languages.

Delmer's father was an Australian.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <199509110056.AA03200@world.std.com>
           dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> Speechs by Reichsfuehrer-SS Himmler before senior SS officers in Poznan,
> October 4 and 6, 1943
> [Trials of War Criminals Before the Nuernberg Military Tribunals -
> Washington, U.S Govt. Print. Off., 1949-1953, Vol. XIII, p. 323, and
> Himmler, Reichsfuehrer-SS - P. Padfield, Henry Holt and Co, NY, 1990,
> p. 469]
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> I mean the evacuation of the Jews, the extermination of the Jewish
> race. 

Evacuation = extermination. Staeglich covers this (pages 64-7) and concludes
that it is a fake, ie it has been doctored. I have no good reason to disagree
with him.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: 'THERE IS NO GOD BUT IRVING AND ROBERTS IS HIS PROPHET'
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In article <199509110649.AA00811@world.std.com>
           dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:
 
> So, now we have it: for Roberts, whatever British "historian"
> David Irving says is true. Well, it was recently reported that
> this "historian" said that four million Jews died in the
> Holocaust. Does Roberts believe this, or will he go and look
> for another God? Al Baron, perhaps?

Roberts has read my book on Irving; he won't appreciate that.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Wed Sep 13 07:53:22 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: HUMAN SKIN LAMPSHADES - A CRUEL ABERRATION
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In article 
           karlpov@access5.digex.net "Charles R.L. Power" writes:
 I don't give a shit what you find "lurid" since you 
> dismiss all stories of cruelty by Axis members as "nonsense" reflexively.

Fair enough.
 

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: WHO FOUND ANNE FRANK 'S DIARY?
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In article 
           karlpov@access5.digex.net "Charles R.L. Power" writes:
> Oh, come on! There is not the slightest possibility for *honest* 
> confusion on that point. Levin fought for the right to produce a 
> *dramatic adaptation* of the diaries; he never claimed to have written 
> them himself, as deniers claim. (I believe he also wanted acknowledgement 
> and a piece of the action on the play of the diaries which was later 
> produced and went on to win a Pulitzer, claiming that his own earlier 
> adaptation had been used. A judge eventually found that this was 
> unprovable, since two different adaptations of the same original material 
> were involved, and so similarities were inevitable.)


There is ALWAYS room for honest confusion; you can't be that ignorant about
the media.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Wed Sep 13 07:53:23 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: 6,000,000 minus a few
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> Al "Jews are dumb" Baron writes:
 
> Because, when Hans Frank, Governor of Nazi-occupied Poland,
> specifically refers to orders for "annihilation of the Jews",
> Baron suggests that maybe he really meant something else. So,
> obviously, Baron will never admit such a program existed,
> because when proof it existed is presented, he refuses to
> accept it.

Still going on about Hans Frank? This was rhetoric. Frank had no Executive
power and was really only a caretaker. He was also someone who liked the sound
of his own voice. Something he has in common with you.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Wed Sep 13 07:53:24 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: MY OPINION ON HOLOCAU
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In article <42vi79$n78@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:

> The whole point of this thread has been to get you to define what you
> think is evidence, what you think is proof, and to comment upon proof
> and evidence. If you can't tell me what you think is valid evidence or
> what you think is a valid method for assessing it--even with a
> concrete example in front of you--then I really can't start to offer
> you proofs of authenticity. How can I until I know what standards you
> would accept?
> 
> > But that, I am afraid, would constitute a substantial and complex
> >> response on your part. Why don't we just take it as read that you
> >> already believe the entire archive to be a forgery?
> 
> >A not unreasonable hypothesis, but you can start by proving the Topf letter.

It is a fact that the communists have engaged in enormous fabrication; we know
that because the judge who drew up the charges against Rudolph Hoess published
a book in 1957 which contained many examples of this. Added to this is the 
well-documented fact that the Soviets and the Polish governments under the
communists had absolutely no respect for truth and would say whatever they
thought would further the cause of world communism.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Wed Sep 13 07:53:25 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: MY OPINION ON HOLOCAU
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:
> 
> As for the film mentioned in Reitlinger, I have three
> stills from it, which show the gas chamber from the outside.
> It is operated by motor exhaust from a car and a truck. The
> gassing (which was supervised by Nebe and Dr. Widmann) is
> described in detail in some places, such as Arad's book about
> the "Einsatz Reinhard" camps.

Give me a printed source for these photographs. 

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: MY OPINION ON HOLOCAU
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In article 
           joelr@winternet.com "Joel Rosenberg" writes:
> So by your standards, Custer's Last Stand didn't happen?  George Washington 
> didn't cross the Delaware?  The English Civil War is a hoax?  

We have reliable documentation for these things; the documentation for the
extermination programme and the gassings is dubious to say the least. And 
riddled with fraud.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article 
           karlpov@access5.digex.net "Charles R.L. Power" writes:
> Why wouldn't you just dismiss such things as forgeries and fakes as you 
> do everything else which has been presented to you? (Film of a gas 
> chamber in action--geez, with that standard of proof, we'd have to get 
> O.J. Simpson's home movies of the killing of Nicole in order to convict 
> him. Marcia Clarke can be glad you're not on that jury.)
>
I do not dismiss EVERYTHING as forgeries and fakes, as you well know. 

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article <432elg$rqk@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>
           gmcfee@ibm.net "Gord McFee" writes:
> :>Delmer was writing in 1961. Give me your source for his change of mind in 
> :>later life.
> 
> I can find none.  I was obviously in error, and apologize.  I must have had 
> Delmer mixed up with someone else, possibly Shirer.

Accepted. It's easily done.

> :>I didn't claim that he originated the gassing legend, I claimed he had a hand
> :>in it. The story of gassings in Auschwitz appears to have originated from 
> :>rumours spread by the so-called Jewish underground. Professor Butz speculates
> :>that it may have been inspired by the euthenasia programme, and I have no 
> :>good reason to challenge his hypothesis.
> 
> You claimed he had a hand in originating the gassing "legend".  I have seen 
> nothing to substantiate that claim.

Delmer boasts of having broadcast about gassings, among other things. He is
quite candid about forging German newspapers and the like. How much of this can
be confirmed I don't know. The British had a very good psychological warfare
department and are just about the most perfidious race in history. 

The big problem here is always proof because when there is so much collusion,
it is difficult to prove anything. I have seen some PWE files at the Public
Record Office and there is a great deal of stuff missing. I think the mere fact
that Delmer and company were such brazen liars coupled with the fact that they
broadcast about gassings and phony epidemics is prima facie evidence that they
had a hand in it. I don't think it will ever be possible to prove this to 
legal standards for the stated, and obvious reasons. 

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <4322tj$3l@larry.cc.emory.edu>
           libwca@larry.cc.emory.edu "william c anderson" writes:

 
> : This is very true, the Fed is owned by these 8 banks. 
> 
> No, it isn't.
> 
> The Fed is owned by the twelve regional Reserve Banks, and the stock
> in these banks is held by regional commercial banks belonging to the
> system.
 
> Where do you come up with this crap, Baron?

THE MOST SECRET SCIENCE. I think you'll find this is correct. The other 
banks are white elephants. They are also privately-owned and not owned
by the government as most people think.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: 6,000,000 minus a few
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In article <432ell$rqk@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>
           gmcfee@ibm.net "Gord McFee" writes:


>I find it highly improbable that *every one* of them was 
> either a liar or tortured into saying what they said.  I met two gentlemen in 
> Germany many years ago who had worked at two of the Vernichtungslager; I see 
> no reason why they would have invented those stories (in fact, I didn't know 
> what Vernichtungslager were in those days).

There is really not that much testimony. Most of the testimony that exists 
consists of YES, THERE WERE GASSINGS BUT I WASN'T INVOLVED. In any case as I've
stated so many times, it is not the quantity of the evidence but the quality of
it that is so poor.

Either the Holocaust didn't happen, they say, or, in the next 
> breath, the nasty Jews got their just desserts.  I don't engage in this 
> part of the debate. 

I have never said that. Furthermore, this has got absolutely nothing to do with
the JEWS, the pious men in black hats and caftans. The people who make all the 
noise are members of a powerful, totally ruthless political lobby. And they
will trample on anyone they don't like. I have the scars to prove it.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Any discussion of American "concentration camps"?
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In article <42slpj$p4s@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>
           kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca "Ken McVay OBC" writes:

> In article <42rbla$1vum@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca>, ipberg@acs.ucalgary.ca (Ian Paul
>  Berg) wrote:
> 
> >       This is slightly off topic alt.revisionism but I'll pose it 
> >anyways.  A coupla months ago I was in a retail bookstore at a nearby 
> >mall here in Calgary. 

I think the case for exterminations in American camps is even weaker than
in Nazis ones, but you could try YEARS OF INFAMY by the Nisei Michi Weglyn.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article 
           schwartz@infinet.com "Sara aka Perrrfect" writes:

> Read the above carefully.
>  
> They are called CITATIONS.

OK, how about a citation for the Wannsee Protocol. Like who has verified
the original?

And how many of these documents which are now being thrown around as "proof"
of gassings in Auschwitz, ie from Topf & Sohne, were actually used at
Nuremberg?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <5thKQSAhkoB@sputnik.tng.oche.de>
           peter@sputnik.tng.oche.de "Peter@Sputnik" writes:

> Would any of the scholars in this forum be so kind as to enlighten me  
> abbout the ethnic background of Mr.Murdoch ?

He's an Australian although the crazies sometimes claim he's a Jew, probably
because the International Australian Conspiracy doesn't have quite the same 
ring to it.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <4322tj$3l@larry.cc.emory.edu>
           libwca@larry.cc.emory.edu "william c anderson" writes:

 
> : This is very true, the Fed is owned by these 8 banks. 
> 
> No, it isn't.
> 
> The Fed is owned by the twelve regional Reserve Banks, and the stock
> in these banks is held by regional commercial banks belonging to the
> system.
 
> Where do you come up with this crap, Baron?

THE MOST SECRET SCIENCE. I think you'll find this is correct. The other 
banks are white elephants. They are also privately-owned and not owned
by the government as most people think.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: 6,000,000 minus a few
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In article <432ell$rqk@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>
           gmcfee@ibm.net "Gord McFee" writes:


>I find it highly improbable that *every one* of them was 
> either a liar or tortured into saying what they said.  I met two gentlemen in 
> Germany many years ago who had worked at two of the Vernichtungslager; I see 
> no reason why they would have invented those stories (in fact, I didn't know 
> what Vernichtungslager were in those days).

There is really not that much testimony. Most of the testimony that exists 
consists of YES, THERE WERE GASSINGS BUT I WASN'T INVOLVED. In any case as I've
stated so many times, it is not the quantity of the evidence but the quality of
it that is so poor.

Either the Holocaust didn't happen, they say, or, in the next 
> breath, the nasty Jews got their just desserts.  I don't engage in this 
> part of the debate. 

I have never said that. Furthermore, this has got absolutely nothing to do with
the JEWS, the pious men in black hats and caftans. The people who make all the 
noise are members of a powerful, totally ruthless political lobby. And they
will trample on anyone they don't like. I have the scars to prove it.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Any discussion of American "concentration camps"?
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In article <42slpj$p4s@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>
           kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca "Ken McVay OBC" writes:

> In article <42rbla$1vum@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca>, ipberg@acs.ucalgary.ca (Ian Paul
>  Berg) wrote:
> 
> >       This is slightly off topic alt.revisionism but I'll pose it 
> >anyways.  A coupla months ago I was in a retail bookstore at a nearby 
> >mall here in Calgary. 

I think the case for exterminations in American camps is even weaker than
in Nazis ones, but you could try YEARS OF INFAMY by the Nisei Michi Weglyn.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article 
           schwartz@infinet.com "Sara aka Perrrfect" writes:

> Read the above carefully.
>  
> They are called CITATIONS.

OK, how about a citation for the Wannsee Protocol. Like who has verified
the original?

And how many of these documents which are now being thrown around as "proof"
of gassings in Auschwitz, ie from Topf & Sohne, were actually used at
Nuremberg?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <5thKQSAhkoB@sputnik.tng.oche.de>
           peter@sputnik.tng.oche.de "Peter@Sputnik" writes:

> Would any of the scholars in this forum be so kind as to enlighten me  
> abbout the ethnic background of Mr.Murdoch ?

He's an Australian although the crazies sometimes claim he's a Jew, probably
because the International Australian Conspiracy doesn't have quite the same 
ring to it.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <42vdht$4b3@urvile.MSUS.EDU>
           hermann@tigger.stcloud.msus.edu "MILTON JOHN KLEIM, JR." writes:
 
> *  According to the latest US Department of Justice survey of crime victims,
>    more than 6.6 million violent crimes (murder, rape, assault and robbery) 
>    are committed in the US each year, of which about 20 per cent, or 1.3 mil-
>    lion, are inter-racial crimes.
> 

Most black crime is committed by a small minority who, for many reasons, 
constitute an underclass. The white underclass is much smaller but is increasing.
In Bermuda and Barbados, which are predominantly black, there is hardly any
crime at all. 

It would appear then from your logic that American whites are far more hateful
than West Indian blacks. Obviously environment has a great deal to do with this.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article 
           jamie@voyager.net "Jamie McCarthy" writes:


Give the monkey a banana. 

Of course, if there were no gas chambers at all, then
what you've spent three hours keying in is a right load of old bollocks.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <433asa$9v1@newsbf02.news.aol.com> jwccti1@aol.com "JWCCTI1" writes:

> Actually, Kleim, the numbers of murders which can be laid at the feet of
> Ehrenburg, who _happened_ to be Jewish, pales in comparison to non-Jewss
> such as Josef Stalin and Adolf Hitler.  They both were raised in your
> religion.

Both Hitler and Stalin have been accused of being Jews. And me!

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article 
           schwartz@infinet.com "Sara aka Perrrfect" writes:

>  
> Your Rabbi friend? What's his name? And what gives him the right to sum up
> ALL of "ultra-orthodox" philosophy, if that even exists.
>  
> I asked who the "ultra-orthodox" are and you respond with a fashion
> statement. Are you, pergaps referring to the Chasidim? If so, they are a
> SECT. They do NOT represent all Orthodix Jews, or even all
> "ultra-orthodox" (whatever that is) Jews.

Another thing he told me was that in Orthodox Judaism the word of a woman
is not acceptable as a witness because they are inclined to hysteria. Look
up the publication A GOY PRIES INTO THE TALMUD by Baron & Cohen.

This particular Rabbi is no longer a Rabbi; the other one I worked with,
Rabbi Goldstein, is not a Chasid but Neturei Karta.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:
> I am currently trying to trace down better copies than those
> I have, which are so-so xerox copies.

Thanks, I can't wait to see these.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> Alexander Baron  writes:
> 
> # We have reliable documentation for these things;
> 
> Such as? Why is the documentation for, say, the Civil War,
> more convincing than the documentation for the Holocaust?
> 
> # the documentation for the extermination programme and the gassings
> # is dubious to say the least.
> 
> What's "dubious" about reports which give very detailed information
> about mass murder of Jews, and about the gassing installations?
 
> # And riddled with fraud.
> 
> What "fraud"?


"In the $gas chamber$, a Polish girl delivered an $impassioned speech$, 
exhorting the $assembled Jews$ to avenge the Poles. Profoundly moved, the 
Poles knelt and sang the Polish national anthem, in their last moments full 
of hope for the future of their nation. With that, everyone...burst into 
the $Internationale$, and died $amidst song in the ecstasy of dreams of 
universal brotherhood and a better tomorrow$."  

What fraud? 

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <434vku$16hi@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:


> I have been trying to get you think like an historian, to comment upon
> evidence like an historian, and the best that you can come up with is
> tired propaganda slogans.
> 
> Do you know how the Auschwitz files got to the Soviet Union? 

Magic carpet?


> you know how they were stored and where?

A lot have turned up - allegedly - in Moscow archives recently. One of the
few people to have had access to them was the Zionist stooge David Irving.

>Can you suggest a reason why the
> Soviets never used the files at Nuremburg? 

Yes, because they don't say the things we are told they say.

>No. Can you even suggest
> how an entire archive of forged files furthered "the cause of world
> communism" by being left moldering in some basement for 50 years?
> Well?

I can suggest that by suppressing a genuine archive the cause of world 
communism is furthered. Now that the so-called Cold War is over, don't you
find it strange that these documents are coming to light?
 
>Is that thinking like an historian? Is that
> even thinking at all?

If you were any sort of historian you would face the fact that nothing, 
literally nothing, that has ever come out of the Soviet Union is to be trusted.
Have you forgotten Krushchev's denunciation of Stalin? The rewriting of
history by the purging of Trotsky, Kamanev and then Stalin from official
photographs and histories? Have you not studied the Sutton revelations?
We're talking about an ideology that has absolutely no respect for truth,
like Zionism, Communism interprets as truth whatever serves its ends. Do you
dispute that?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:
 
> It is crystal clear that there's no proof for the extermination
> plan that Baron will ever accept, because when this very
> proof is presented, he says it was "rhetoric".

You can't have it both ways, Dan. Either the "exterminations" were secret
or Hitler bragged about them.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <43516f$407@dns.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:

 
>    Piss or get off the pot.  What is your evidence of fraud?

Who has ever authenticated the Wannsee Protocol?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <4351br$407@dns.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:

>    Name one piece of evidence concerning the Holocaust which you do not 
> consider "forgeries and fakes?"

The Dachau "gas chambers"; they are genuine delousing chambers that were
traduced as extermination chambers. The scenes at Belsen; they were scenes
of starvation, disease and collapse that were misrepresented as proof of
genocide.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <435hs8$3k4a@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>
           gmcfee@ibm.net "Gord McFee" writes:

> Why would the Communists and the Polish government fake the Final Solution?  
> Would they not realize what a favour they were doing for the Jews? 

This was not pro-Jewish propaganda but anti-capitalist propaganda. The Jews
were stated to have been murdered FOR PROFIT.

> Where did 
> they suddenly get their love for the Jews?  The same Communists who murdered 
> millions of their own citizens during the purges of the late 1930's?

Recall the large numbers of Jewish-born communists who later served the
Soviets well in the United States shortly after. See Beaty's Iron Curtain
Over America for details but for starters there was the Hollywood 10, the
American Politburo and the Rosenbergs. The propaganda at the time was that
THE SOVIET UNION HAS SAVED THE JEWISH PEOPLE.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <435hse$3k4a@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>
           gmcfee@ibm.net "Gord McFee" writes:
> Absolute and total rubbish.  The primary documentation for the extermination 
> programme and the gassings is by far more numerous and reliable than anything 
> existing for the other examples cited.  It is explicit and damning and was 
> written by people who thought it would never be seen by others.

Rhetoric.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article 
           joelr@winternet.com "Joel Rosenberg" writes:

 
> You really are a pitiful little worm, aren't you?


You've no right to call yourself a Jew if you give aid and comfort to these
diseased enemies of humanity. In 1986, the Chief Rabbi said AIDS was the
inevitable price for moral turpitude. Boy was he right. 

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <436imr$8s0@pipe2.nyc.pipeline.com>
           donald05@nyc.pipeline.com "Donald Moffitt" writes:

 All it shows is that you know
> nothing whatsoever about the U.S. financial system.  Even the
> dimmest-witted Wall Street messenger has a firmer grasp on the facts! 
> --Donald Moffitt 

If you know the facts, tell me who owns the Federal Reserve.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: 6,000,000 minus a few
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In article 
           mvanalst@rbi.com "Mark Van Alstine" writes:

> In article <810841601snz@abaron.demon.co.uk>, A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk wrote:
> 
> > In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel
> Keren" writes:
> > 
> 
> > Still going on about Hans Frank? This was rhetoric. Frank had no Executive
> > power and was really only a caretaker.
> 
> "...Of course, I could not eliminate all lice and Jews in only one year's
> time. But in the course of time, and above all, if you help me, this end
> will be attained". - Hans Frank

This quote is dubious to say the least. What evidence have you that a) it is
genuine and b) that it referred to exterminations? In any case, Frank had
no control over what went on the in camps, which were under SS control. Accordin
to Hoess, Himmler communicated the extermination order to him directly, not 
that one can trust anything he said.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <43617i$149m@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:

> mstein@access1.digex.net (Michael P. Stein) wrote:
> 
> >Al Baron said:
> >>Post the memo in full - in English - and I'll have a look.
> 
> >    I believe John Morris is actually the one who's been reading up on
> >that.  John, do you have that handy?
> 
> Description: Apparently on Topf and Son stationary, part of letterhead
> obscured by Waffen-SS receipt stamps, receipt annotations and initials
> by several hands; a pen annotation "Kremat. II"; date of receipt 5
> March 1943
> 
> TEXT:
> [Note: I have replaced umlauts with 'e' throughout]
> 
> An die
> 
> Zentral-Bauleitung der
> Waffen-SS und Polizei
> 
> Auschwitz /Ost-Oberschl.
>                                        2.3.43
> 
> 
> Krematorium,
> Gaspruefer.
> 
>   Wir bestaetigen den Eingang Ihres Telegrammes,
>   lautend:
> 
>     " Absendet sofort lo Gaspruefer wie besprochen
>       Kostenangebot spaeter nachreichen ".
> 
>   Hierzu teilen wir Ihnen mit, dass wir bereits
>   vor 2 Wochen bei 5 verschiedenen Firmen die
>   von Ihnen gewuenschten Anzeigegeraete fuer
>   Blausaeure-Reste angefragt haben. Von 3 Firmen
>   haben wir Absagen bekommen und von 2 weiteren
>   steht eine Antwort noch aus.
> 
>   Wenn wir in dieser Angelegenheit Mitteilung er-
>   halten, kommen wir Ihnen sofort naeher, damit
>   Sie sich mit einer Firma, die diese Geraete
>   baut, Verbindung setzen koennen.
> 
>              H e i l  H i t l e r !
> 
>   [signature stamp] J.A. TOPF & SOHNE
>   [pen signature] Pruefer
> 
> Translation:
> Re: Crematorium [II]. We acknowledge receipt of your telegram stating:
> "Immediate shipment of 10 gas detectors as agreed. Estimate to be
> furnished later." Concerning this matter, we can tell you that for two
> weeks now we have been making inquiries of five different firms about
> the apparatus you want indicating the traces of prussic acid. We have
> received negative responses from 3 firms, and we are still awaiting
> answers from the other 2. When we receive further information on this
> subject, we will let you know immediately so that we can put you in
> touch with the firm making this apparatus. Heil Hitler!
> 
> The translation is by Pressac and Van Pelt. A photograph of the memo
> appears on page 231 of Jean-Claude Pressac with Robert-Jan Van Pelt,
> "The Machinery of Mass Destruction at Auschwitz," _Anatomy of the
> Auscwitz Death Camp_, ed. Y. Bauer and M. Berenbaum (Bloomington:
> Indian University Press, 1994) 183-245.


In the first place, when and where did this "memo" come to light? I don't
believe it was used at Nuremberg. If it was give me a citation and I will look
it up. In the second place, the "exterminations" were alleged to have started
in 1941, 1942 by some accounts. One would have thought that by then the wicked
Nazis would have come across a firm that could provide equipment that
could detect traces of prussic acid, especially since Zyklon-B was used by
the German military since 1924.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <435qpj$olk@access1.digex.net>
           mstein@access1.digex.net "Michael P. Stein" writes:

> In article <810842015snz@abaron.demon.co.uk>,
> Alexander Baron   wrote:
> >In article <42vmtg$ng2@access1.digex.net>
> >           mstein@access1.digex.net "Michael P. Stein" writes:
> >
> >>     As John pointed out, but you deleted, the Protocols were used, the 
> >> Topf letter wasn't.  Why forge something and never use it?
> >
> >You're using it now, Mike.
> 
>     Duh.  I thought it would be obvious to any reasonable person (but 
> obviously it wasn't obvious to you) that my question was why the 
> alleged forger went to all the trouble of forging something without using 
> it.  Unless you're accusing me of forging it?
> 
> 
> >I suppose you could do a forensic examination.
> 
>     And you could too, for that matter.  Why is it always my 
> responsibility to satisfy you?
> 
>     But if I were to do so, and the forensic examination found that the
> memo had the right paper, ink, handwriting, etc., would you then accept
> that as proof that the Nazis were in fact intentionally building an
> incriminatingly high cremation capacity?  Or would you instead demand
> proof that my forensic examination was properly done?


I would accept it as evidence.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> # ie it has been doctored. I have no good reason to disagree
> # with him.
> 
> Of course you don't. You also do not have a shred of proof it
> was "doctored".

The fact that you keep repeating "Jews are dumb" says more about you than
it does about me. Where is the evidence that this is genuine? Himmler made 
his speeches up from notes as he went along.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <436nbi$4hh@mn5.swip.net>
           stephane.bruchfeld@mailbox.swipnet.se "Stephane Bruchfeld" writes:

>not all
> Nazis deny the Holocaust. Quite a few openly embrace it, lamenting the
> fact that Hitler couldn't "finish the job". At least they are honest.

And some seek to destroy Nazism by embracing its methods - Ludwig von Mises
 
-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <434v88$407@dns.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:


> If so the only acceptable proof would be a firsthand hand of > what was said.  Are telling us that there are inconsistancies in the alleged 
> statement?  

You said it. Produce the proof.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <43796c$8vb@enigma.uniserve.com>
           hostrov@uniserve.com "Hilary Ostrov" writes:
 
> And no doubt, Mr. Baron, you would have us believe that some of your
> best friends are Jews  - or homosexuals.

I do have a number of Jewish friends and I have collaborated on two of 
my publications with Orthodox Rabbis. I don't knowingly associate with
homosexuals or any other lowlife dung beetles. I have said before that people
who compare the alleged persecution of homosexuals anywhere at any time with
the persecution of the Jews by Nazi Germany are insulting the dead, and it
saddens me to think that anyone, especially any Jew, should think any 
diferently.
  
> However, to date, neither you nor your fellow pseudo-revisionists have
> presented anything that might be remotely considered "evidence".  You
> have presented fabrications, unsubstantiated opinions, arguments that
> one can only construe (and kindly at that) as non-sequiturs, lengthy
> and patently bigoted diatribes, and various and sundry "Baron
> baffle-drivel" (tm) circumlocutions.  

You keep repeating this like a parrot; we have presented bags of evidence
that you choose to ignore: 

I personally have presented the following:

1) the persistent misrepresentation of delousing chambers at Dachau as 
gas chambers.
2) fabricated and miscaptioned photographs
3) the fact that so many prominent Jews survived Auschwitz and other camps,
even though some had been interned for years.
4) the admission of "best witness" Vrba that he lied when he claimed he had
seen gassings.
5) the ludicrous and often blatantly fake memoirs of Jews, eg Hart, Vrba,
Mueller, Wiesel, and other nonsense.
6) the redesignation of the term "final solution" which originally meant
evacuation to extermination
7) the lack of a written order, a budget or a plan for the extermination
8) I have documented here Jews who have claimed reparations for murders
that never happened - the Philip Auerbach case; there were cases reported
in the "Jewish Chronicle" in 1969.
9) I have documented here the human soap lie which was broadcast to the
world as recently as January 1995.
10) I have documented here the lies that have been spewed out by the Board
of Deputies of British Jews and its South African equivalent; poor, persecuted,
powerless people indeed.

much, much more. If you don't see these things it is because you either 
don't want to or are afraid to see them.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <437ii4$2cn@dns.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:

>    The same people, no doubt, that had Christine Jeffries fired from her job at > Kennesaw State College.  Right Lyin" Al?

The men in black hats and caftans are the REAL Jews; they don't get involved
in politics. The only time I have known them to was when they organised a protest
in London - which I attended - to protest against the Hebron maasacre "which
sybolises Zionism in its true form" according to them.

The "Jews" you are talking about are Jews in name only; they are a powerful,
fascistic political lobby who interpret any criticism of any member of their 
race or ideology as rabid anti-Semitism. Most of them despise the real Jews,
like Tom Dine who was sacked as AIPAC head for calling the Orthodox smelly
and saying they look unkempt. These people don't give a fuck about Judaism
and I don't most of them have ever seen the inside of a synagogue except 
to have their pricks clipped.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Thu Sep 14 22:29:39 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: Rassinier in 1962:  a fraudulently inserted comma
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In article <437eh4$put@access5.digex.net>
           mstein@access5.digex.net "Michael P. Stein" writes:
>     Jamie caught Rassinier using evidence fraudulently, and this is all 
> you can say?  What ever happened to Al "I'm more interested in exposing 
> lies than finding the truth" Baron?

I'm not sure that he did lie, he may have made an honest mistake. Unlike
a certain Abbe who Rassinier caught telling stories about gassings in
Buchenwald where there were none. Incidentally, Rassinier was not the
father of Revisionism. There were others before him.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> You often see these "scholars" claim that this-and-that
> notorious person was Jewish; I think crazy Ricardo Joshua
> even claimed Stalin was a Jew, 

The Nazis carried out a racial investigation of Stalin and were satisfied
that he wasn't a Jew. Then, after Hitler turned against Russia, they "found"
evidence that he was. A bit like exterminationists are now finding further
"evidence" of gassings which turn up mysteriously in former Soviet archives.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> Felderer also claims Jews are obsessed with pornography and
> excrement, and he sells "cartoons" showing elderly Jews engaged
> in sexual acts, etc. He also wrote "articles" about the effect
> of cyanide gas on the vagina. He also sent pieces of soap to
> Jewish organizations, asking them if they could identify these
> as having been made from Jews.

Felderer is a publicist as much as a Revisionist; his methods shock, and 
personally I don't approve of them, but they do seem to work. Roberts 
endorsed a forged document in good faith and has since retracted. You continue
to endorse lies, trash and slander because unlike us you haven't got the bottle
to admit you've been conned.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <4384tl$efc@pipe2.nyc.pipeline.com>
           donald05@nyc.pipeline.com "Donald Moffitt" writes:
> ---Remarkable discovery by Les Griswold, White Trash Neo-Nazi:  Adolf
> Hitler was tall, blond, blue-eyed and Nordic.  He heard it from a guy who
> heard it from a guy, so it must be true. 

A bit like stories of human soap, gassings and the like. 

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <439eq9$cpl@pipe2.nyc.pipeline.com>
           donald05@nyc.pipeline.com "Donald Moffitt" writes:

> But anyway -- practically every *commercial* bank in the U.S. owns an
> interest in the Federal Reserve System.  Created by federal legislation,
> the System is entirely owned by U.S. *commercial* banks. 

If you had actually read what I said you wouldn't insinuate that I claimed the
Fed was controlled by a Jewish oligarchy; what I said was that they had Jewish
names, which causes much confusion. By the same token Marks & Spencer was a 
Jewish firm; it is now a public company with 100,000+ shareholders, but 
the crazies still claim it is a Jewish scam.

>      The Federal Reserve System, incidentally, owns nothing significant. It
> exercises a huge amount of control over borrowing and lending through the
> mechanims by which it influences interest rates and money supply ---
> directed almost entirely in recent years to avoiding a higher inflation
> rate.  *Everybody* has to live with the Fed, and nobody seems to like it
> much, but then, nobody ever likes financial discipline, do they? 

Wrong! Nobody has to live with the Fed; the Fed could be abolished. Conspiracy
theorists like Gary Allen and Revisionist Historians like Antony Sutton have
provided abundant evidence that the Fed is Master rather than servant. Finer
brains than yours realise this, and in fact they have fought the financial 
system from the 1860s; see for example Mrs Emery's brave little book
SEVEN FINANCIAL CONSPIRACIES THAT HAVE ENSLAVED THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <439e5f$r1r@agate.berkeley.edu>
           schultz@garnet.berkeley.edu "Richard Schultz" writes:

> In article <811013657snz@abaron.demon.co.uk>,
> Alexander Baron   wrote:
> 
> >Recall the large numbers of Jewish-born communists who later served the
> >Soviets well in the United States shortly after. 
> 
> You mean Jewish-born communists like Klaus Fuchs?  Interesting how you
> don't mention the British spies who served the Soviets so well. 

Like George Blake? Alias Cohen.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <439f90$rcj@agate.berkeley.edu>
           schultz@garnet.berkeley.edu "Richard Schultz" writes:

> 
> Do you accept that the Einsatzgruppen reports were authentic?
> If so, how do reconcile that with the statement above, and if
> not, why did Ohlendorff, who was convicted entirely on their evidence,
> accept them as legitimate and argue that he was simply following
> orders?

I think they were largely exaggerated.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <439om7$8ue@gwdu19.gwdg.de> uroessl1@gwdg.de "Ulrich Roessler" writes:

 
> May I suggest you and Mr.Staeglich as likely candidates. Both of you
> only claimed that someone had tampered with it - so we may conclude
> that the main parts of it are authentic even in your view. 

Judge Staeglich actually.

> 
> As neither you nor Mr.Staeglich ever cared to detail in which way
> the protocol was changed

> You can't have read his book to come out with stuff like that.


 who did this, when, and how this
> was done, we may conclude that all parts of it are authentic in your
> own view - you simply didn't remember this fact. Or do you always
> put forward such claims without any shred of evidence?
> 
> Remember, the document was found in the papers of the Foreign Office 
> by the U.S. prosecutors.

And the Protocols were "found" in the Chancellery of Zion.
 

I'm sending some photocopies to Jeff next week and he's going to scan them in
so I suggest that we wait until then before you make a fool out of yourself
any further.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <439u0g$19l@pipe3.nyc.pipeline.com>
           donald05@nyc.pipeline.com "Donald Moffitt" writes:


> >In our email discussion which I will shortly be posting to the net, 
> >Mr. Baron repeated, many times, that "extraordinary claims require 
> >extraordinary proof." 


I didn't realise I'd had an E-mail discussion with you. Please post it.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

 
> The fact is that Hitler didn't brag about the extermination
> of the Jews; he didn't go on the radio and talk about it.
> He did say, in 1939, that the Jews will be exterminated; but
> he hardly mentioned it during the war.

Yet another out of context quote Dan. Read the whole thing.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <438og8$11ce@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:

> The memo was found within the last five years in the Auschwitz archive
> by Robert-Jan Van Pelt while researching his forthcoming book on the
> place of Auschwitz in the history of architecture. The archive was
> originally discovered at Auschwitz by the Soviet Army who took it back
> to Moscow and stored it uncatalogued and apparently untouched for 45
> years. So far as I know, no part of the archive was used at Nuremburg.

How convenient.



-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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$PC  stole from victim$, published in the $Times$, September  12, 
1995,  page 4. A police officer is said to have stolen L440  from 
an 83 year old burglary victim. She showed him where she kept her 
money  because  "a  policeman doesn't take  anything"  he  denied 
theft,  claimed he was under stress. He was convicted.

Come on Dan, do you really believe they sang the Internationale in the 
gas chamber? 



-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <43au9j$632@larry.cc.emory.edu>
           libwca@larry.cc.emory.edu "william c anderson" writes:

 Not a 
> system, however, controlled by the International Jooish Banking
> Konspiracy, as you asserted--an assertion for which you've failed 
> to present the least scintilla of evidence, as you fail to support
> every assertion you make.  Does this bother you at all?

I didn't provide evidence for this because I didn't assert this, I said
exactly the opposite. Read my study GLOBAL DECEPTION, Dumbo.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <43a5ab$m3m@pipe3.nyc.pipeline.com>
           donald05@nyc.pipeline.com "Donald Moffitt" writes:


> Hell, Al, why wait?  The parimutuel board says it's a sure thing that you
> will dismiss them as forgeries, based on your track record.  By the way,
> Al, would you send me a copy of your favorite forgery, the Mueller doc?  I
> seriously doubt that you have discarded it. 

Either you're ignorant or you can't read. Track down what I said about the 
Mueller document. Better still, ask one of your Exterminationist friends.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <43agaj$6q4@dns.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:

 
>     The sun has yet to rise on the day when an anit-Semitic sack of shit like
>  you 
> can tell anybody who is a Jew and who isn't.  You simply don't pack the gear.
> 
>    Look!!  Over there!!  There's a nice flat rock.  Why don't you crawl under
>  it.  It's 
> where you came from.

Hasn't it occurred to you, you kosher krank that not everybody who hates you
does so because you had your prick clipped. If all "Jews" were like you anti-
Semitism would be a virtue.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article 
           mkelley@U.Arizona.EDU "Marty Kelley" writes:

> What an interesting world you live in, Mr. Baron!  So...Capone's 
> existence is a matter of certainty because he was a "well-documented figure,"
> eh?  Okay, what kinds of documents prove that he was a crime boss? 

He wasn't a crime boss, he was a great American entrepreneur.

> I'd suggest you take a look at pp. 229-235 of Lipstadt's _Denying the 
> Holocaust_ (which is available in paperback) for an overview of the 
> deniers' ridiculous assertions that Anne Frank's diary is a forgery.  

It's not a ridiculous claim, it's simply wrong.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article 
           mkelley@U.Arizona.EDU "Marty Kelley" writes:
 First off, can we agree that nothing in the various accounts 
> of the operations of the Holocaust (shootings and gas chambers) is 
> "miraculous?"  

No. 

Read some of the testimonies; there are two records of people who claim
to have been taken out of gas chambers.

It is almost miraculous that up to 2,000 people were ordered to strip
naked and march into gas chambers with a bar of soap and a towel.

> Where did all those people GO, Mr. Baron?  

Who says they were there in the first place? How many names of missing
people have been collected?


-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: ITMA latest publications
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New from ITMA


NEW! NEW! NEW! NEW! NEW! NEW! NEW! NEW! NEW! NEW! NEW! NEW!


Bringing History Into Accord With The Facts: The Carto Way L1.99

An expose of anti-Semitic fabrication and nonsense masquerading 
as Revisionist History.


The Exterminationist Guidebook - Autumn 1995 Edition L1.99

A satirical document based on The Revisionist Guidebook; unlike the 
crusade against Revisionism this one has more to offer than 
branding people anti-Semitic without even attempting to refute 
their arguments.


The Life And "Crimes" Of John Colin Campbell Jordan  L4.99
A large format, thoroughly referenced biography of British Nazi 
leader Colin Jordan. 


A Revisionist History Of Prohibition L2.99

Rather than being any sort of feared gangster or mass murderer,
Al Capone was a totally innocuous and kind-hearted businessman who
was criminalised and demonised by one of the most repressive regimes
in history. This pamphlet, researched entirely from public domain
sources, explodes the racist myth of the vampire Italian gangster and
places Capone where he belongs, in the gallery of great American 
entrepreneurs.


All titles may be ordered from ITMA, 93c Venner Road, Sydenham, 
London SE26 5HU. All cheques payable to ITMA.

USA and overseas, add 10% for surface mail; 20% for airmail. Sterling
cheques only or dollars cash at sender's risk.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sat Sep 16 09:08:12 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: MY OPINION ON HOLOCAU
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In article 
           bzs@world.std.com "Barry Shein" writes:

 
> Well, it's a rather colorful story and raises the question of who
> exactly told this story (tho that's hardly a paradox, and you haven't
> indicated it as such), but why is this, to you, evidence of fraud?
> 
> Do you not believe they knew the words to the Internationale? What?

Is this guy for real? Are you saying that you take any of the above as
anything but a cynical communist-inspired piece of trash?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sat Sep 16 09:08:13 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: MY OPINION ON HOLOCAU
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In article 
           mkelley@U.Arizona.EDU "Marty Kelley" writes:

> You seem to be insinuating that the memos are forgeries.  If that is your 
> claim, please provide some explanation of why we should believe that to 
> be the case.  

More to the point, will you explain why we should take at face value alleged
memos which come to light in Soviet archives 50 years after the war? What 
laboratory has assessed them?


-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: How is Irving A "Zionist Stooge?"
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In article <439u9o$sh6@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu>
           cacst9+@pitt.edu "Cecelia A Clancy" writes:

> In article <438tqo$jvm@agate.berkeley.edu>,
> Richard Schultz  wrote:
> >
> >That's *Zionist Stooge* Irving to you, buddy.
> 
> How is David Irving a "Zionist Stooge?"

Read my book: THE CHURCHILL PAPERS
-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article <43ddks$9pb@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu>
           cacst9+@pitt.edu "Cecelia A Clancy" writes:

 
> Jewish prisoners at Auschwitz got a few pieces of bread a day to
> eat and a bowl of watery soup that had no meat or starch in it.
> It might have some turnips and potatos in it.
> 
> Cecelia Clancy     cacst9+@pitt.edu

don't be a moron Cecilia, some of these people were in the camps, including
Auschwitz, for years. Furthermore, quite a few people were released from 
Auschwitz. The claim that people were wilfully starved to death is what 
lawyers call a rolled up plea. Ie in the first place they were gassed, in
the second place they were starved, and in the third place the Nazis were
evil bastards anyway so it doesn't matter if we lie about them.



-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: the media the jews and everything
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In article <43d6kb$o1v@grivel.une.edu.au> ibokor@metz.une.edu.au "ibokor" writes:

 
> As a matter of interest, Margaret Thatcher did not receive as high 
> a percentage of the vote in the UK in, say her victory in 1987, as
> General Jaruszelski did when he lost the election in Poland a 
> little later. 
> 
> Make of that what you will.

It is a common phenomenon that a higher percentage of citizens vote in
dictatorships than anywhere else. Just because people are popular doesn't 
mean they are good. That applies to Hitler as well as Stalin. It also applies
to beliefs. Just because a belief is popular doesn't mean it is true. Dig?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
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In article 
           joelr@winternet.com "Joel Rosenberg" writes:


> But forget that, for a moment.  Some Americans, at some time, have tortured 
> some defendants.  Does that mean that no confession ever obtained by some 
> American, no matter how much it is corroborated by other evidence, can be 
> believed?

By that logic it's okay for the police to torture suspects to obtain 
"confessions"? Leaving aside the morality of this, torture usually has
the effect of persuading its victim to say what he thinks his torturers want
to hear.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <43cirn$gtp@access5.digex.net>
           mstein@access5.digex.net "Michael P. Stein" writes:

>     For that matter, please produce your evidence that anything Dr. Keren 
> has endorsed has been a lie.  I know it's tough, but please try to keep in 
> mind that "Because I say so" is not evidence.  Neither is "Because 
> Staeglich says so."

Dan Keren keeps repeating quotes torn out of context; Hitler's 1939 pronouncement
against Jewry is typical. Dig out the full quote Mike and you'll see. I take it
you've moved house now.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <43ddks$9pb@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu>
           cacst9+@pitt.edu "Cecelia A Clancy" writes:

 
> Jewish prisoners at Auschwitz got a few pieces of bread a day to
> eat and a bowl of watery soup that had no meat or starch in it.
> It might have some turnips and potatos in it.
> 
> Cecelia Clancy     cacst9+@pitt.edu

don't be a moron Cecilia, some of these people were in the camps, including
Auschwitz, for years. Furthermore, quite a few people were released from 
Auschwitz. The claim that people were wilfully starved to death is what 
lawyers call a rolled up plea. Ie in the first place they were gassed, in
the second place they were starved, and in the third place the Nazis were
evil bastards anyway so it doesn't matter if we lie about them.



-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <43d6kb$o1v@grivel.une.edu.au> ibokor@metz.une.edu.au "ibokor" writes:

 
> As a matter of interest, Margaret Thatcher did not receive as high 
> a percentage of the vote in the UK in, say her victory in 1987, as
> General Jaruszelski did when he lost the election in Poland a 
> little later. 
> 
> Make of that what you will.

It is a common phenomenon that a higher percentage of citizens vote in
dictatorships than anywhere else. Just because people are popular doesn't 
mean they are good. That applies to Hitler as well as Stalin. It also applies
to beliefs. Just because a belief is popular doesn't mean it is true. Dig?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
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In article 
           joelr@winternet.com "Joel Rosenberg" writes:


> But forget that, for a moment.  Some Americans, at some time, have tortured 
> some defendants.  Does that mean that no confession ever obtained by some 
> American, no matter how much it is corroborated by other evidence, can be 
> believed?

By that logic it's okay for the police to torture suspects to obtain 
"confessions"? Leaving aside the morality of this, torture usually has
the effect of persuading its victim to say what he thinks his torturers want
to hear.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <43cirn$gtp@access5.digex.net>
           mstein@access5.digex.net "Michael P. Stein" writes:

>     For that matter, please produce your evidence that anything Dr. Keren 
> has endorsed has been a lie.  I know it's tough, but please try to keep in 
> mind that "Because I say so" is not evidence.  Neither is "Because 
> Staeglich says so."

Dan Keren keeps repeating quotes torn out of context; Hitler's 1939 pronouncement
against Jewry is typical. Dig out the full quote Mike and you'll see. I take it
you've moved house now.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <43e9n9$g2g@eldborg.rhi.hi.is>
           elias@rhi.hi.is "Elias Halldor Agustsson" writes:

> Al, I never would have thought that you were so naive.  The more
> perjurers, the greater likelihood that they will be exposed.  Any number
> of perjurers above 5 are almost certain to become exposed in any competent
> court. 

Then how could the IRA exist for decades? OMERTA - fear and silence.

How many people have lied about the IRA? The simple fact is that the British
government have been fighting this organisation for decades and they couldn't,
or didn't have the will to defeat them. So they have now allowed them to bomb
their way to the negotiating table.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sun Sep 17 12:04:39 PDT 1995
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In article <43ecia$1es6@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:

> "Because reliable and responsible historians"

You mean they say the right things. These are the same "reliable and
responsible" historians who ignored the fact that the British had cracked the
German's code during the war. Then the British flogged their code machines 
to the colonies and eavesdropped on their conversations for decades. This 
was revealed the other week in a TV programme on cryptography; Irving revealed
the same thing years ago.

> But if you are convinced that the archive is a massive forgery,
> perhaps you should lobby for some financial support for a fornesic
> investigation. 

Great, I'll send in my grant application to the Hillel Foundation next week,
if you'll give me a character reference. I should get it if you tell them your
occupation: intellectual prostitute.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <43dd8q$9oq@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu>
           cacst9+@pitt.edu "Cecelia A Clancy" writes:


Either post or E-mail, don't do both, you confuse me.

 
> Who is this "Abbe" you referr to?

Read Rassinier and find out.
 
> Who, in your opinion, was before Rassinier?

Ginsburg and Bardeche. Others who denied the propaganda very early on were
the highly placed American Intelligence officer, John Beaty, who was certainly
in a position to know; and the fanatical anti-Nazi Douglas Reed. C.H. Douglas
didn't believe it either, and it was him (in an unsigned article) who wrote a
short piece about cremation rates in the Social Crediter. This might come
as a surprise to you, but a lot of Moslems don't believe it either, and never did.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <43dho7$a3l@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu>
           cacst9+@pitt.edu "Cecelia A Clancy" writes:

 
> Posted to alt.revisionism, soc.culture.german, and soc.culture.jewish.
> E-mailed to myself, Imthorn JA, Bradley Smith, and Arthur Butz.

Is Arthur Butz still around? Have you got his E-mail address?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <43f1on$1lo4@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>
           gmcfee@ibm.net "Gord McFee" writes:
 
> It really bugs your ass that, with the demise of the Soviet Union in 1989, 
> all sorts of hitherto secret files and documents became available.  Pretty 
> hard to accept, right Al?  Because a lot of those documents shoot the 
> revisionist arguments down in flames.  I can understand your annoyance.

Annoyance? Heck, hasn't it occurred to you that the more documents they "find"
the friendlier the West gets?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <43d70k$uo2@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:
 
> >How convenient.
> 
> I am afraid I don't understand what you are trying to insinuate here.
> Please be more specific. What is convenient? Why was it convenient?
> For whom was it convenient?

In reply to that I'll post a chapter from my book. Footnotes are extra:



New Lies From Old


The  collapse of the Soviet Union has opened up Russian  archives 
for the first time to Western researchers in significant numbers. 
Conveniently,  documents which $prove$ the gas chambers  existed, 
are  being unearthed, among other things. Let us examine  briefly 
one  such Soviet document, but this one was not  $discovered$  in 
the  era  of Gorbachev and Yeltzin, rather it  was  published  in 
London  in  1942. By HMSO no less! $The Molotov Notes  On  German 
Atrocities$  were issued on behalf of the Embassy of the USSR  in 
London. (1)

Here  are  selected  extracts from  the  first  two,  (concerning 
"ordinary" war time atrocities): 

Page 11: "In the village of Voskresenskoye, Dubinin district, the 
Hitlerites used a 4-year-old boy as a target and shot at him from 
machine-guns." Sure they did.
  "In the Zlobino rural Soviet, in the Orel region, the  Fascists 
killed  the  2-year-old child of  Kratova,  a  collective-farmer, 
because its crying disturbed their sleep." Lies, pure and simple.
  In  Semyonovka, German soldiers were said to have raped the  25 
year  old  pregnant wife of a Red Army man. She was in  the  last 
stage  of pregnancy. Afterwards they cut her throat, stabbed  her 
in both breasts and drilled holes through her breasts. (The  rape 
is  plausible  or  even likely, but drilling  holes  through  her 
breasts?)
  Page  12:  in the same place they shot a 13 year  old  boy  and 
carved  a  five-pointed star on his head. (It  is  certainly  not 
impossible  that  the Nazis killed thirteen year  old  boys,  and 
younger.  But so did the Americans in Vietnam. And they were  the 
good guys, remember?)
  Page  12: in Basmanovo, Glinka, they shot over 200  schoolchil-
dren. (Where is the proof?)
  Page  17: "Red Army prisoners are tortured with red-hot  irons, 
their  eyes are poked out, their legs, hands, ears and noses  cut 
off.  Their stomachs are ripped open. They are tied to tanks  and 
crushed to pieces."
  And  so  on. This is pure atrocity propaganda. What is  one  to 
make of this? How is one to analyse it? How much if any of it  is 
true? And this nonsense was published in London, don't forget, on 
behalf of the perpetrators of Katyn and a thousand other undispu-
ted  mass  murders, most of them against their own  people.  Now, 
today, we are being told that the archives which are being opened 
to  us contain amazing new revelations about the true nature  and 
extent  of the Final Solution. But why should we believe  any  of 
it?


-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <43etql$2ia@dns.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:


>     As a response to your vicious hatred I sent a check to the ADL today with a > note that it was in response to your hatred.  If you give me the address of the > Jewish Board of Deputies, they will get one as well.

Woburn House,
Upper Woburn Place,
London WC1.

Address your letter to Mike Whine of the "Defence Committee" and ask him
the following questions:

1) Why does his organisation continue to smear me as an anti-Semite and to
support a man whom I have exposed many times in print as a notorious liar, 
when I have even exposed the lies he has told Mike Whine, and the rest of 
the Board?

2) Why has his organisation repeatedly suppressed the evidence I submitted to
them about David Irving, and smeared me instead?

3) Why has his organisation repeatedly covered up for David Irving?

4) Was it really a coincidence that as soon as he set up his new "defence"
organisation, two Jewish cemeteries were vandalised in Hull and East London
in what were obviously co-ordinated attacks? 

5) Did he buy the spray paint cans himself?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <43f1og$1lo4@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>
           gmcfee@ibm.net "Gord McFee" writes:


> :>1) the persistent misrepresentation of delousing chambers at Dachau as 
> :>gas chambers.
> 
> There were gas chambers in Dachau.  Do you deny this?  People were gassed in 
> Dachau.  Do you deny this?  What is your proof?

The Encyclopedia of the Holocaust says there were no such gassings. Take it up
with Israel Gutman.
 
> :>2) fabricated and miscaptioned photographs
> 
> Which according to Dr. Keren, who has Ph.D in this kind of analysis, are not 
> doctored and miscaptioned.  The only exception being the "faces on the women" 
> photograph.  Do you claim that the photographs taken by the Nazis themselves 
> were "doctored"?  Why would they doctor their own photographs?

We don't know who took a lot of these photographs. Many are wilfully 
miscaptioned.

> :>3) the fact that so many prominent Jews survived Auschwitz and other camps,
> :>even though some had been interned for years.
> 
> :>4) the admission of "best witness" Vrba that he lied when he claimed he had
> :>seen gassings.
> 
> Vrba made mistakes.  

Sure he did. He got caught lying and admitted it.

> :>5) the ludicrous and often blatantly fake memoirs of Jews, eg Hart, Vrba,
> :>Mueller, Wiesel, and other nonsense.
> 
> Because you say so?  In what way are they ludicrous and blatently fake?

Ask Mike Stein. I think he believes Hart saw SS man Wagner murder that baby.
 
> :>6) the redesignation of the term "final solution" which originally meant
> :>evacuation to extermination
> 
> :>8) I have documented here Jews who have claimed reparations for murders
> :>that never happened - the Philip Auerbach case; there were cases reported
> :>in the "Jewish Chronicle" in 1969.
> 
> I know nothing of this.

Then read my book. Or the Jewish Chronicle.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <43fj6u$amh@eldborg.rhi.hi.is>
           elias@rhi.hi.is "Elias Halldor Agustsson" writes:

> Mr. Baron, every decent person who reads your posts loathes you
> absolutely. 

You'd be surprised at some of the fan mail I get in private postings, 
including from at least one Jew.


> Another thing: you admit there implicitly that anti-semitism is not a
> virtue.

Anti-Semitism is no more virtuous than any other form of group hatred. It 
is a pity that so many people, especially Jews, who accuse me of hate, 
fail to recognise their own.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <43fen9$16n0@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:
 It is indicative of the overall justice
> of the various war crimes trials that the Americans allowed some
> criminals to escape punishment because their confessions might have
> been tainted.

If one of your hysterical female students accused you of rape and you 
were held incommunicado for a week before signing a "voluntary" confession
after falling down the stairs in the police station, you might change your
mind about "tainted" evidence.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <43fk6b$b24@eldborg.rhi.hi.is>
           elias@rhi.hi.is "Elias Halldor Agustsson" writes:


I think, therefore I am.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <43f837$av4@newsbf02.news.aol.com> jwccti1@aol.com "JWCCTI1" writes:

> Baron, one thing which the fence-straddler does in reading this group (if
> there are any fence-straddlers among Holocaust revisionists and deniers!)
> is unconsciously test you every time he reads something of yours.  By
> putting forth such an  obviously faulty hypothesis as underworld
> gang-leader Capone's victimization, you destroy what little credibility
> you had at the start with the straddler.

Please list all the crimes Al Capone was ever convicted of.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <43gqku$jbt@news.dknet.dk> olk@login.dknet.dk "Ole Kreiberg" writes:

> 
> 
>   I have found an article in an English pamphlet titled "Holocaust" News. 
> Although I must strongly emphasize, that the content in this article does
> not necessarily reflect my own views, I think that it is a very good
> eye-opener for newcomers to revisionism. The pamphlet itself is more than
> 10 years old: 

There were two issues of Holocaust News; it was put out by the British National
Party. It has an obvious political agenda but all the same it isn't bad.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: The Dachau Gas Chamber exposed!
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In article <43e9n9$g2g@eldborg.rhi.hi.is>
           elias@rhi.hi.is "Elias Halldor Agustsson" writes:

> Al, I never would have thought that you were so naive.  The more
> perjurers, the greater likelihood that they will be exposed.  Any number
> of perjurers above 5 are almost certain to become exposed in any competent
> court. 

Then how could the IRA exist for decades? OMERTA - fear and silence.

How many people have lied about the IRA? The simple fact is that the British
government have been fighting this organisation for decades and they couldn't,
or didn't have the will to defeat them. So they have now allowed them to bomb
their way to the negotiating table.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Mon Sep 18 07:46:10 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.culture.german,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: THE "HOLOCAUST" NEVER HAPPENED!
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In article <43dho7$a3l@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu>
           cacst9+@pitt.edu "Cecelia A Clancy" writes:

 
> Posted to alt.revisionism, soc.culture.german, and soc.culture.jewish.
> E-mailed to myself, Imthorn JA, Bradley Smith, and Arthur Butz.

Is Arthur Butz still around? Have you got his E-mail address?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Mon Sep 18 11:18:50 PDT 1995
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In article <43he50$99s@amhux3.amherst.edu>
           jaklein@news.amherst.edu "Josh Klein" writes:
 
> 1) Statistics are often derived from faulty procedures.  Stephen Jay Gould
> gives a good example of how this influenced racial stereotypes: A famous
> study of racial patterns in cranial size resulted in statistics that
> showed northern europeans to have far bigger brains than southern
> europeans, africans, asians, or north americans.  However, as Gould 
> shows, the researchers used a different measuring system for
> northern europeans -- a discrepancy that made the differences appear
> larger than they really were.

Gould's research is flawed, whites do have bigger brains. I'm sure Dan Keren
has a very big brain, but it's not what you have in the cranium, it's what you
do with it.

"Genius is no safeguard against the miseries of life." - Napoleon

How's college, by the way?


-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Mon Sep 18 11:18:51 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: 6,000,000 minus a few
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> Alexander Baron   
> # Yet another out of context quote Dan. Read the whole thing.
>  
> Ok, I read it again:
>  
> Speech by Hitler, January 31, 1939
> [Trials of War Criminals Before the Nuernberg Military Tribunals - 
> Washington, U.S Govt. Print. Off., 1949-1953, Vol XIII, p. 131]
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> Today I will once more be a prophet: If the international Jewish financiers
> in and outside Europe should succeed in plunging the nations once more into
> a world war, then the result will not be the bolshevization of the earth,
> and thus the victory of Jewry, but the annihilation of the Jewish race in
> Europe!
>  
> 

the quote actually continues:


For the non-Jewish peoples are no longer without the weapon of propaganda. Both
National Socialist Germany and Fascist Italy have the equipment necessary to
enlighten the world about the nature of a problem that many nations 
instinctively recognise, though they may lack a scientific view of it.

"For the time being the Jews may carry on their agitations in certain states
under the cover of the press, cinema, radio, theatre, literature, etc., 
which are in their hands. But if the Jewish nation should once again succeed 
in goading millions of people from other nations into a totally senseless
war, to serve only Jewish interests, the efficacy of the kind of enlightenment
that in just a few years utterly defeated the Jews in Germany will become
manifest."

End quote

Now tell me he invented the Big Lie, Dan

You also got the date wrong.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Mon Sep 18 11:18:52 PDT 1995
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

  
> -Danny Keren.

The scenario is preposterous. Have you actually studied some of these
testimonies by the way? They are a mass of contradictions and nonsense.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <43havl$s89@agate.berkeley.edu>
           schultz@garnet.berkeley.edu "Richard Schultz" writes:
 
> "Exaggerated"?  By whom?  If you mean that the numbers therein were
> exaggerated by the Nazis, then that means that you accept that the 
> documents were indeed written by the Nazis involved, and that the 
> activities described therein in detail, namely, the mass murder of
> large numbers of innocent people, happened. 
> 
> This is not a difficult question; it just requires a "yes" or "no."
> Do you believe that the Einsatzgruppen reports were authentic, that is
> documents actually written by members of the Einsatzgruppen in the 
> course of their duties?

Have you let off beating your wife? Answer yes or no.

A while ago I was arguing with somebody who said the police should be paid
by results. Can you imagine what the crime figures would be a) if they were
paid for the convictions they secured? b) for keeping the country crime free?

In the first scenario, people would be fitted up left, right and centre and
arrested for jay walking. In the second, only murders would be recorded.

Try applying that logic to the Einsatzgruppen reports. As I haven't made
a study of this subject that is about all I have to offer, but however dirty
this sort of business is, including atrocities against civilians, it is not 
part of a genocide campaign. No more so that the Yanks in Vietnam.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:
> Auschwitz-Birkenau didn't have 52 cremation furnaces for nothing,
> after all; enough cremation power to burn its population in 3 months
> or so.
> 
> Why did all these people die, if the Nazis took such good care of
> them? Can Baron explain this? 

I've been rereading Staeglich and I am by no means convinced that there were
52 crematoria. In any case your figures are way out. There are 225 crematoria
in Britain - I don't know how many retorts - but about 400,000 people are 
cremated a year. I think you'd still be a long way off.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article <439unr$co6@grivel.une.edu.au> ibokor@metz.une.edu.au "ibokor" writes:

> Steven Malcolm Anderson (sma4@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
> 
> : Exactly what is "anti-semitism"? 
> 
> "Anti-Semitism Theory, action or practice directed against the Jews"

A very poor definition. All the Jews? Does that include the PLO, Hamas,
Christian missionaries?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: The Dachau Gas Chamber exposed!
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In article <43e9n9$g2g@eldborg.rhi.hi.is>
           elias@rhi.hi.is "Elias Halldor Agustsson" writes:

> Al, I never would have thought that you were so naive.  The more
> perjurers, the greater likelihood that they will be exposed.  Any number
> of perjurers above 5 are almost certain to become exposed in any competent
> court. 

Then how could the IRA exist for decades? OMERTA - fear and silence.

How many people have lied about the IRA? The simple fact is that the British
government have been fighting this organisation for decades and they couldn't,
or didn't have the will to defeat them. So they have now allowed them to bomb
their way to the negotiating table.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Tue Sep 19 13:44:31 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: THE "HOLOCAUST" NEVER HAPPENED!
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In article <43ig29$in3@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu>
           cacst9+@pitt.edu "Cecelia A Clancy" writes:

> >Is Arthur Butz still around? Have you got his E-mail address?


 
> Yes, he is still around.  I have his e-mail address, but I do not
> give it out because Butz does not want to be bombarded with
> pro- and anti-Revisionist e-mail.   He is today concentrating
> on being an engineering profrssor.

Then I'll look him up in The World Of Learning.
> 
> Do you happen to know, Al, why Butz all of a sudden n 1983 stopped actively
> promoting his book, _The Hoax of the Twentieth Century_ and all of
> a sudden stopped all involvement with IHR other than to allow his
> name to remain of the list of IHR Editorial Advisory Board?  

No.

> he DOES know how to properly give a lecture)
> and he said some things that Willis Carto would be very displeased
> with (such as saying some good things about Jean-Claude Pressac).

So what? Revisionism is about knowledge, not dogma.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <43ihbt$ms3@eldborg.rhi.hi.is>
           elias@rhi.hi.is "Elias Halldor Agustsson" writes:
> That is not the point in question, finding out the true facts of the case. 
> The point is that it is virtually impossible for so many false witnesses
> to give consistent testimony.

That's the point, the testimony is not consistent. Certainly it is no more
consistent than alien abduction testimony.

 
> And, btw, what were the English doing in Ireland, anyway?

That shows just how ignorant you are.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <43i0dl$30m@dns.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:

  
> In the United States we call  this "libel."

Laird Wilcox calls it CRYING WOLF. Why not read his book?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <43j59k$g0a@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:
 
> I do not wish to retail vicious insinuations: I have been informed
> that Mr. Baron withdrew all of his libel suits except one against
> Searchlight magazine which is now in discovery.
> 
> >:>Who was ultimately held responsible for the BoD's costs?


 
> I have been given to understand that a countersuit for costs by the
> Board of Deputies of British Jews resulted in the stay and seizure of
> proceeds owing to Mr. Baron from his publisher.

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing, John. For one thing I didn't actually
sue the Board of Deputies. For legal reasons I can't say anything about the
on-going legal actions at the moment. When they are finished though, which may
be sooner than you think, I will shout it from the rooftops.

Do you subscribe to Searchlight, by the way?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <43jagj$g0a@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:
 
> Reparations have only been paid to survivors for stolen property.
> 
> Do you deny this?

Then who did Auerbach and the others rip off, and what was the money for?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <43ibhr$dfs@amhux3.amherst.edu>
           jaklein@news.amherst.edu "Josh Klein" writes:
> 
> (Order today.  All customers will receive free, unsolicited email
> by the gigabite.)

Poor Josh, what are they teaching you?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article <43nda5$jm6@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:

 
> It would be churlish of me to discuss your legal actions in public if
> you are not also free to do so. I won't bring up the action against
> Searchlight until I receive word that it is also concluded.

Thank you.
 
> >Do you subscribe to Searchlight, by the way?
 
> No.

That answer has just raised you in my estimation.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <43okai$a7s@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:

> Anne Frank was arrested on August 4, 1944. If she was sufficiently
> able-bodied it is quite plausible that she would put to work. If she
> survived two months in Auschwitz she would have seen the end of the
> gassings in November 1944. If she was still able-bodied by then, it is
> not unreasonable to suppose that she would be transferred to Belsen.

I am unable to confirm this but somebody told me recently that the real
reason the Franks were in hiding was because the elder daughter had been
called up for forced labour. If this is true then it kind of takes the shine
off this heroic story, don't you think?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article <43ncqr$64e@dns.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:

> 
>     Piss or get off the pot, Lyin' Al.  Do you have a single shred of evidence
>  to 
> back up your specific allegation?  Or was it another of your provable lies
>  about 
> Jewish organizations?

I didn't make a specific allegation about any Jewish organisation, what I
made was a sarcastic remark. If though you want to read detailed and quite
specific allegations of how a Jewish-controlled organisation has openly and
repeatedly incited racial violence you should read 

LIARS OUGHT TO HAVE GOOD MEMORIES: THE TRUE, UNSANITISED STORY OF "SEARCHLIGHT"
MOLE RAY HILL with a Critique of The Other Face Of Terror.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <43nqjd$p0@access4.digex.net>
           mstein@access4.digex.net "Michael P. Stein" writes:
>     You bring out the evidence that proves that those 15 or 20 people 
> gave perjured testimony, of course.
> 
>     I mean, if you know it's perjured, you _must_ have some evidence which
> led you to that knowledge, right? 
> 
>     I said, right?

If I recall I was talking about the Church of Mormon and the like, here.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <9509192055.AA17329@lems24.lems.brown.edu>
           dk@lems.brown.edu "Daniel Keren" writes:

> 
> -Danny Keren.

A question for you Dan. Where were the selections in Belsen sent?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article 
           mkelley@U.Arizona.EDU "Marty Kelley" writes:

 > 
> > "In the $gas chamber$, a Polish girl delivered an $impassioned speech$, 
> > exhorting the $assembled Jews$ to avenge the Poles. Profoundly moved, the 
> > Poles knelt and sang the Polish national anthem, in their last moments full 
> > of hope for the future of their nation. With that, everyone...burst into 
> > the $Internationale$, and died $amidst song in the ecstasy of dreams of 
> > universal brotherhood and a better tomorrow$."  
> > 
> > What fraud? 
> 
> You see, Mr. Baron, this is the sort of thing that contributes to your 
> reputation as a something less than honest debater: when asked to provide 
> proof that the documented history of the Nazi extermination program is a 
> fraud or a forgery, you all-too-frequently reply with a single example of 
> a testimony that may contain inconsistencies or inaccuracies, but you 
> wholly ignore the reams and reams of testimony and documents which 
> contain no such inconsistencies.

No Mike, you're wrong. The point about that quote is that it is clearly 
communist manufactured propaganda. I have given many other examples, you simply
shrug them all off as untypical. I have given Hart - fantasist; Vrba - admitted
liar; Burney - hearsay; Wiesel - wanker; and many others.



-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <43q1da$5fj@dns.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:
>      "All of us froze into one.  Staring at each other,
> >  >       not speaking a word, we looked and wondered at those tall chimneys
> >  >       spewing a peculiar reddish flame.  A smell none of us had ever 
> >  >       experienced before hung in the air." [1]

>    Now Lyin' Al explain how an impartial judge looked at it, looked at the
>  evidence, 
> looked at the allegations about and concluded that it was true.  Or are you
>  going 
> to repeat Raven's lie about the case?

There were flames issuing from these tall chimneys? Have you ever seen them?
Have you visited a crematorium? I did as part of the research for my book.
They give off a minuscule amount of smoke and no flames at all. And what
was the smell he claimed to have experienced?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <43pvmi$soc@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:
 
> So it is a fairly important question regarding his credibility: how
> much access to the Auschwitz facilities did Staeglich have?

Why don't you read his book?

In 1967 Staeglich wrote a letter about his impressions, which was published
many years later. His book is not about his personal experiences but is a
thoroughly referenced academic work written from the perspective of a jurist.
It will stand the test of time, unlike most of the trash spewed out by the
exterminationist lobby.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <43loln$7kr@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu>
           cacst9+@pitt.edu "Cecelia A Clancy" writes:
 
> >A better source on Hitler's sexual normality, or abnormality, is Werner 
> >Maser.  Basing himself on medical records and interviews with all of Hitler's 
> >top doctors, Maser concluded that Hitler most likely was sexually normal.  
> >The one-ball theory is definitely rubbish; Maser has a medical report from 
> >around 1942 (amongst many) where the doctor examined Hitler's genitalia and 
> >reported them as normal.  See _Hitler: Legend, Myth & Reality_.

This is more Zionist-inspired porn and racial hatred. The Daily Express summed
Hitler up perfectly: "Politically, Hitler's life is black with crime. But 
the private life of Hitler is without reproach. Alone among his fellow 
leaders his shield is pure." 


-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <43l5j7$d8d@gwen.ibmpcug.co.uk>
           bayajida@tunkamanin.win-uk.net "~Bayajida" writes:
 
> :> The instability in many post-colonial nations is a result of
> :> the misrule of their former rulers, both colonial and home 
> :> grown. The ruinous debt burden these countries currently 
> :> struggle to overcome is a consequence of this misrule. It is
> :> not a matter of racial inability, it is the consequence of 
> :> bad inheritance.

I see, it's all the fault or racism. Why don't you blame the Jews like any
reasonable person? 

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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Subject: Re: Al Baron & David Hume (was Re: Free Speech)
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In article 
           mkelley@U.Arizona.EDU "Marty Kelley" writes:

 
> You *have* read Hume, haven't you, Mr. Baron?

Of course I have, you pillock.
 
> I really am disappointed that you are not willing to discuss the work 
> that you put forward so confidently as proof against the value of 
> eyewitness testimony.  My rereading of Hume so far seems to suggest that 
> he would be quite satisfied by the empirical evidence in favor of the 
> Holocaust.

I don't think so. Not with the mass of contradictory testimonies. The point
is that however many obviously spurious testimonies I destroy you'll simply
say "Yes, that one is dodgy but all the rest are genuine. The true believers
say exactly the same thing about spirit mediumship.
> 
> 
> > > Where did all those people GO, Mr. Baron?  
> > 
> > Who says they were there in the first place? How many names of missing
> > people have been collected?
> 
> 
> "What would become of history, had we not a dependence on the veracity of 
> the historian according to the experience we have had of mankind?"

There you go, the veracity, AND the integrity of historians. I haven't seen
much of that here.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <1995Sep22.061910@miavx1>
           bpharmon@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu "Raskolnikov" writes:

 
> Well AL,
> 
> Perhaps you could list those of us here in a.r 
> who burn your books, deny your rights to free 
> expression, etc.  
> 
> Perhaps you could tell us how we supress your
> ability to say what you want.

In the United States you have the 1st? amendendment. In the United States
we have a Zionist created race industry. It would be nice to interpret this
as anti-Semitic propaganda but unfortunately this is not the case. Organised
Jewry has been the prime mover in the destruction of free speech on race issues
in Britain.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Reparations racket
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Jewish Chronicle, October 28, 1994: 

a further 30.5 billion DM (= 12.25 billion pounds) are expected to be paid
out to Jews and other minorities in "reparations" over the coming years, 40%
of it to Israel. Who was it said that this was compensation, and wasn't he 
being a little economical with the truth?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article <43r4qd$5lv@grivel.une.edu.au> ibokor@metz.une.edu.au "ibokor" writes:
 
> That is the standard misqulte. The original is
> "Little knowledge is a dangerous thing."


"[I]f a little knowledge is dangerous, where is the man who has so 
much as to be out of danger?" - T. H. Huxley (1825-95) botanist, from 
COLLECTED ESSAYS, Volume 3, ON ELEMENTARY INSTRUCTION IN PHYSIOLOGY, page 300, 
published by Macmillan, London, (1893). 

>From  an essay written in 1877.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: 6,000,000 minus a few
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In article <43vubv$el7@dns.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:


>   You're babbling again, Lyin' Al.  Or was Martin Luther King, Jr. just another
>  Zionist 
> stooge.

As I said, it would be nice to dismiss this allegation as anti-Semitic propaganda
but that is not the case. In Britain the race acts have been largely the work
of the Board of Deputies and their fellow travellers. The late Lord Fisher
had considerable input; others include Neville Nagler, who was head honcho
of the so-called Commission for Racial Equality and who has given "evidence"
to Home Affairs Committees on so-called racial attacks along with his 
co-racialist that damned liar Mike Whine. Other major players include the
Jewish lawyer Geoffrey Bindman, whose firm has also drafted some of the
legislation. Bindman got into hot water with Organised Jewry last year when
he was sent to Israel by the Law Society and, instead of behaving like his
pals at Woburn House expected, he turned in a report comparing Israel with
South African Apartheid!

You will find also that in the United States Martin Luther King was only a
minor figure, he was heavily involved with communists and fellow travellers. 
The NAACP and other "civil rights" organisations were also run largely with
Jewish money; I thought you would have known that; it was a big issue with
the Black Muslims at one time. The real primer mover behind the Brown v Topeka
desegregation decision was not the Brown in question but a totally unrelated
Brown, a Jewess named Esther Brown.

Like I said, it would be nice to dismiss this as the ravings of anti-Semites,
but that is unfortunately not the case.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sat Sep 23 20:35:01 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Hitler annihilation quotes just for Al Baron
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In article <43l92a$35rk@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>
           gmcfee@ibm.net "Gord McFee" writes:

 
> How do you explain that one away, Al?

What's to explain? How is that different from "We'll fight them on the beaches?"
Or any other war-time rhetoric? Are you, in short, insisting that this amounts
to an order: get the gas out, lads?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sat Sep 23 22:54:11 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: 4 QUESTIONS FOR DAN KAREN (sic)
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In article <43v593$58b@dns.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:

>There was indeed fire, and smoke, and acrid stench.  > I was at both kinds of facilities for the same reason.  Litigation over the
>  Clean Air 
> Act.  That is, of course, one of the obvious reasons that modern crematories
>  are 
> operated in a different manner than Auschwitz.  No-one at Auschwitz was about 
> to complain about the smoke and fire and smell.

What you appear to be forgetting is that Auschwitz was a huge industrial 
complex and, among other things, manufactured synthetic rubber. Which is where
the smell came from. The tales of fire and smoke from the crematoria are
fantasy. And this was all done in secret, remember?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: A false Witness: Elie Wiesel
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> One may look at the book "Inside the Vicious Heart", to see
> photographs of people burned alive by the Nazis in some camps.

Dan, this is not so much a distortion as an outright lie as I pointed out
before. The photographs here were not of people systematically exterminated
they were of a group of people who had been trapped in a barn and burnt to
death in an ordinary war time atrocity.

By a great irony I've just been reading a book published by the US military
in 1945, and it shows victims of terror bombing in Germany in pictures 
even more grotesque than the ones you mention.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: WHAAAAT???? COLUMBUS A JEW???
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In article <43tgn8$1cuo@usenetz1.news.prodigy.com>
           QYZJ45A@prodigy.com "Ondine Brooks" writes:

> Cecelia Clancy (cacst9+@pitt.edu) writes (see THE HOLOHOAX: DID IT HAPPEN?
> ) that "Actually, some scholars believe Christopher Columbus might have 
> been Jewish on his mother's side and that he might have been a Marrano 
> (somebody back then in Spain posing as a Catholic, but really practicing 
> Judaism in secret."
> 
> Oh please, pretty please... can't we Christians keep Columbus as 
> Christian? In the name of the truth, does he HAVE to be a Jew???

Yes, there was something in the Jewish Chronicle about this a while back.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sun Sep 24 07:17:17 PDT 1995
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In article <43l927$35rk@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>
           gmcfee@ibm.net "Gord McFee" writes:
 
> The Nazi version of enlightenment (Aufklaerung) was epitomised by the burning 
> of the books, the Nuremberg Laws, the denial of basic rights to Jewish 
> citizens, and so on.  First, you defeat them; then you exterminate them.

Who's burning books now? Who is denying free speech and free association now?
Who equates Revisionism with fascism and says "Smash the fascists. By whatever
means necessary."  ?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <442cvi$j6q@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com>
           a2ce3wog@ix.netcom.com "Maczuga Kaus - assimilated cat3wog " writes:

> In  mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark
> Van Alstine) writes: 
> >
> >In article ,
> >schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect) wrote:
> >
> >> Why don't you kiss my ass?

The only reason I don't, Sara, is because I'm 5,000 miles away.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article <442ijv$35oe@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>
           gmcfee@ibm.net "Gord McFee" writes:
 
> Staeglich was a Nazi through and through and his book (book, Al?) was exactly 
> what one would expect from such a person.

Fine. But you must apply the same standard to anti-Nazis, which includes most
Jews.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <4426fp$6a9@eldborg.rhi.hi.is>
           elias@rhi.hi.is "Elias Halldor Agustsson" writes:
 
> We certainly do not wish to give you any money to confirm that your books
> do exist.  Just cite the ISBN numbers.  That way we can find out ourselves.

At least 3 have been posted here; I have published 3 books and a number of
pamphlets. Contact Jamie McCarthy for details.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <440koe$hko@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:

> Alexander Baron  wrote:
> 
> No, Mr. Baron, you're wrong. You have named individuals and made
> assertions about them, but you have never presented any case, much
> less a convincing case, for disbelieving them. You have also said that
> you can present no evidence for your speculations because Organized
> Jewry has conspired to keep it from us.

It was not me who made the assertions, it was Kitty Hart who asserted that 
she saw SS man Wagner throw a baby into an oven, not me. She produced not a
shred of evidence for the obvious reason that this was a fantasy concocted by
a 12 year old girl who was interned at Auschwitz in what for her were obviously
traumatic times. However much one may condemn the Nazi persecution of the Jews
- and I do - one should not excuse this sort of nonsense.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <442aca$m4m@mn5.swip.net>
           stephane.bruchfeld@mailbox.swipnet.se "Stephane Bruchfeld" writes:
> 
> Mr. Baron again evades what is being asked of him, namely to give
> further details about his hero's arguments. Until such time, his
> repeated assurances as to the value of Staeglich's work are empty
> and meaningless.
> It is not, as Mr. Baron would have it, a question of "alleged
> anti-Semitic remarks", it is a question of Mr. Baron's
> intellectual honesty. No more, no less.
> The way in which he has repeatedly evaded this and similar
> challenges, of which several originate with Mr. Baron himself, is
> telling.

Why don't you do what I did and read the book? I'm going to send a few
pages to Jeff Roberts for him to scan in but it'll take sometime.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Baron & Himmlers Speech at Poznan
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In article <5uKjz-WhkoB@sputnik.tng.oche.de>
           peter@sputnik.tng.oche.de "Peter@Sputnik" writes:

> A while ago Baron (yes,you) stated that "Documents" had been tampered  
> with.
> I amongst others questioned Baron about the recordings.
> No answer so far...............
> Mr. Baron seems to subscribe to the old Revisionazi method here.
> Don't answer,bring in other threads and hope that people forget.
> Unfortunately in this day and age it doesn't work.
> Harddisk space is so inexpensive..............
> Still waiting
> Peter

I think there was something posted here about a fund to clear this up.
Don't expect me to contribute. From what I have read, Himmler's speeches
were improvised.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Is(Are) There a Co-Author(s) Of _The Hoax of the Twentieth Century_?
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In article <43vh8a$80g@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu>
           cacst9+@pitt.edu "Cecelia A Clancy" writes:
> 
> The first is that if you look
> at the beginning of _Hoax_, Butz explicitly states that something to the
> effect that "several authors have contributed to this work, but I have
> chosen to reserve for myself the consequences of whatever controversy
> should result from this work."   

He doesn't say any such thing; he says that the Stafff of the Imperial War
Museum etc "have contributed more than routine services without, of course, 
being aware of the exact nature of the research involved."

I have _Hoax_ at home.  I'll post
> Butz's exact wording tomorrow.   Butz greatly underestimated the amount
> of flak he would get.  

I find that hard to believe.

> You might ridicule this, Al, but I will say no more than this publicly
> at this time. 

No Cecelia, I'm not going to ridicule you, unlike Dan Keren I believe people
can hold fallacious opinions without being evil, mad or just plain dishonest.
You are simply wrong.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Insulting the dead
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$Homosexual persecution under the Nazis detailed: Gay groups stage 
landmark London conference$, by Susannah Cusworth, published in 
the $Jewish Chronicle$, September 15, 1995, page 13.
The [get this] World Congress of Gay and Lesbian Jewish Organisa-
tions said to have arranged a 2 day conference. "the homosexual 
community should become involved in Holocaust education". [sic] 
David Cesarani was present; that's his quote. The International Association 
of Lesbian and Gay Children of Holocaust Survivors has 65 members.

What a racket. Tell me, Harry Katz, as a pious Jew, how do you feel about
having your religion associated with this sort of poison?



-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Protocols
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In article <43uu2q$r04@detroit.freenet.org>
           ag190@detroit.freenet.org "Marshall S. Dubin" writes:

 
> Is this book still around? I would be interested in reading it to
> see exactly what lies were told in it. No, I am NOT a revisionist, 
> indeed much of my family was killed in concentration camps.  However
> as a student of anti-semitism and the holocaust, I feel almost compelled
> to read all the literature (good and bad) that I can find.

I have published both a comprehensive analysis of "The Protocols" and a
33 page bibliography.
 
> Also, I am looking to find a book by a concentration camp inmate who
> worked with Mengele called Nickolus Nyszli (spelling probably incorrect).

Nyiszli probably didn't exist, although Pressac says he did. He appears to
have written at least one letter from beyond the grave. His book was republished
in paperback c1973.

There are a couple of other Auschwitz doctors who have written ludicrous 
autobiographies: Gisella Perl and Ella Lingens-Reiner. It's only when you 
read crap like this that you realise why the people in this group 
insist it is documents rather than eyewitness testimony 
that proves there were gassings.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: A Question Of Priorities
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Apologies if I've posted this before, I've corrected a couple of typos.

I think it speaks volumes not only for the mentality of Zionists worldwide 
(with the single exception of Jonathan Edelstein!) but of many of the 
people in this newsgroup. 


$PM blocks probe as more atrocities come to light$, published in 
the $Jewish Chronicle$, August 25, 1945, page 2

reports among other things the murder of 49 Egyptian prisoners on 
Sinai in 1956, an admission by a retired officer. No action to be 
taken, atrocities said to have occurred on both sides. Rabin 
rejected a call for an inquiry into the atrocities because "There 
were aberrations on both sides...There is no purpose in raising 
events of the past...Raising the issue embarrasses the Arab side 
as well."

$US neo-Nazi to be extradited to Germany$, by Regina Wosnitza, 
published in the $Jewish Chronicle$, September 1, 1995, page 3

Gary (Gerhard) Lauck, currently held by Danish police, faces 
extradition to Germany and a possible five year sentence for 
distributing "illegal racist propaganda and Nazi symbols". He is 
said to have called Jews worms and rats.

Moral: it is far more terrible to insult Jews than to murder Arabs.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Libertarians Revise Colin Powell
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This is cross posted from Libernet Digest. No comments to me, please.

From: "Mark Robinowitz" 

Questions the Mass Media Won't Ask Colin Powell


General Colin Powell is being promoted by the establishment media as a
"moderate" who would make a great "centrist" President, especially for
those tired of Demican and Republicrat business as usual.  But while
Powell is not a fundamentalist theocrat like some Republicans, his
involvement in mass slaughter of civilians and secret arms shipments to
Iran should disqualify him for public office.

His Cover-up of the My Lai massacre-------------------------------------

Powell's career began as an Army Ranger (special forces) during the
Vietnam War.  As Deputy Assistant Chief of Staff for Operations at a base
in Vietnam, he was ordered to investigate claims of Army massacres at My
Lai (where US forces murdered hundreds on March 16, 1968 _ Powell had no
involvement with that tragedy).  Powell's cosmetic "investigation" of
allegations by Tom Glen, who knew about the slaughter, claimed that his
charges were false since Glen's superiors stated that he could not have
witnessed abuses of Vietnamese.  It wasn't until many months later that
another soldier, Ron Ridenhour, complained to his Congressman, that
serious inquiries into the My Lai massacre began within the Army, at
Washington headquarters.  _ The New Republic, April 17, 1995

When My Lai became public knowledge, many officers responded by resigning
in protest or even joining peace demonstrations.  Powell's response was to
burrow further into the military establishment.  He went to a higher post
in the Pentagon, then to Nixon's Office of Management and Budget, where he
met Weinberger and Frank Carlucci, who each commanded the Pentagon during
the Reagan Administration.  Powell kept silent for the rest of the war,
the Watergate scandal, and Nixon's racist appeals for votes.

The Iran-Contra Scandal --------------------------------------------------

Just before leaving office, President Bush pardoned Casper Weinberger,
preventing any prosecution for his involvement in the illegal arms for
hostages deals.  This act was one of the best things for Powell's future
political career, since he was deeply involved in the scandal.  There will
never be a trial of his former boss, Defense Secretary Weinberger, where
he'd have to testify.

The US aided both Iran and Iraq during their 8 year long war, in which one
million people died.  No one knows how many thousands were killed with the
2,000+ missiles Powell helped send to Iran.

"Weinberger testified before the [Senate Select] Committee [on
Intelligence] that later that day he received a call from Poindexter
informing him of the President's action [to send weapons to Iran].
Weinberger ... instructed military aide, Major General Colin Powell, to
arrange the transfer of the weapons ... to the CIA, and that the matter
was to be closely held at the direction of thePresident.

"General Powell had had previous discussions with North about the program
and about Israel's problems in getting replacement TOW's [missiles]. ....
According to [Assistant DOD Secretary] Armitage and a CIA official, Powell
worked with Major General Vincent Russo, of the Defense Logistics Agency
to provide the material securely and without any loss of funds for the
Army."  _ The National Security Archive, "The Chronology:  The Documented
Day-by-Day Account of the Secret Military Assistance to Iran and the
Contras," Warner Books, 1987, p. 262

"Weinberger reluctantly [ha!] ordered his military aide, Major General
Colin L. Powell, to arrange the sale of TOW's for North's new deal." _
Jane Mayer and Doyle McManus, "Landslide: The Unmaking of the President
1984-1988," p. 197

After Powell became Reagan's National Security Advisor, he threatened to
cut off US aid to any Central American country that refused to support the
US-backed Contra war against Nicaragua.

How does Powell's expertise in covering up weapons shipments to Iran
qualify him to lead a democracy?

Panama: the News Not Fit to Print -------------------------------------

In December 1989, while Powell was Joint Chiefs of Staff _ the top
military leader for all US forces _ George Bush invaded Panama in an
attack condemned by almost every other country on Earth.  Portrayed as a
"surgical strike" on Manuel Noriega, it did virtually nothing to stem the
flow of drugs into the US. (Noriega's replacements installed by the US
Southern Command were also linked to the profitable drug trade.) An
investigation by Codehuca (Central American Human Rights Commission)
concluded:

*  "The U.S. Army used highly sophisticated weapons_some for the first
time in combat--against unarmed civilian populations.

*  "The human costs of the invasion are substantially higher than the
official figures. Conservative estimates indicate that civilian
fatali-ties were at least 10 times greater than the U.S. figure of 220.

*  "The actual death toll has been obscured through U.S. military
practices including:  1) Incineration of corpses prior to identification;
2) Burial of remains in common graves prior to identification; and 3) U.S.
military control of administrative offices of hospitals and morgues,
permitting the removal of all registries to U.S. military bases.

*  "A thorough, well-planned propaganda campaign has been implemented by
U.S. authorities to ... deny the brutality and extensive human and
material costs of the invasion."

Former Attorney General Ramsey Clark reported a "conspiracy of silence"
regarding civilian dead and former U.S. Ambassador to Panama Ambler Moss
stated that his "gut instinct is that there is an awful lot of parties
around there that have an interest in covering up numbers" (New York
Times, 1/10/90).  Catholic priest Diego Caffley, working in Panama
reported that the invasion killed 3,000 people and that the main obstacle
to learning how many people were killed was the US Army Southern Command
(La Republica, Costa Rica, 11/01/90).  After visiting Panama, Clark
estimated that 4,000 died.

Many of the victims lived in the El Chorrillos slum next to Panamanian
military headquarters.  This neighborhood was leveled by US bombs, and the
number of dead remains unknown.  Most were of African descent and among
the poorest in Panamanian society.  The Black, mestizo, and Indian
populations suffered most of the destruction and misery wreaked by U.S.
forces. Establishment media sources generally cited only the mostly white,
elite elements tied to Panamanian banks. Panamanians opposing the
invasion, even those also opposed to Noriega, were ignored by US
journalists.

The Panama invasion, which occurred just weeks after the fall of the
Berlin Wall, helped prevent efforts to cut the military budget.

"it's really clear ... that the military action in Panama violates
inter-national law, designed to maintain peace, and the laws of the [US]
which are designed to keep the [US] out of war and from committing
unlawful military aggressions." _ Ramsey Clark, 12/27/ 1989

How does General Powell's involvement in the illegal invasion of Panama
and the massacre of civilians qualify him to work for world peace?

The Gulf War -----------------------------------------------------------

"Every Black soldier ought to say, `I am not going to fight. This is not
my war.'" _ Martin Luther King, III, January 18, 1991

Powell, as Joint Chiefs of Staff, presided over the bloody Persian Gulf
war.  John Lehman, Reagan's first Navy Secretary, reportedly confided in
1991 at a gathering at the "Bohemian Grove" (an all-male retreat for
corporate and political leaders in northern California) that 200,000
people were killed in the Gulf War.

US forces bulldozed Iraqi draftees into mass graves, bombed retreating
forces on the "Highway of Death," set oil refineries on fire (not all oil
spills were caused by Saddam Hussein), dropped uranium tipped shells
across the desert (over 40 tons of radioactive uranium was scattered), and
threatened to use nuclear weapons before the conflict started.  But since
strict Pentagon censorship prohibited virtually any photographic
documentation of the slaughter, Americans who only watched TV never
learned what happened in the desert.

Powell claims that he never received an illegal order during his military
career, but orders to bomb civilians in Iraq and Panama (among many other
locations) certainly could be classified as war crimes, which Powell
should have refused to carry out under both the Uniform Code of Military
Justice (which mandates that soldiers refuse illegal orders) and the
Nuremberg Principles.  Instead, Powell's only documented opposition to any
policy was about Clinton's efforts to end anti-gay witchhunts in the
military _ Powell urged military men to resign if they also opposed
Clinton's policies.

Powell for President? ------------------------------------------------

Why is the mass media virtually unable to look at Powell's inglorious
past? Arms to Iran, mass graves in Panama and the Kuwaiti "highway of
death" are more important than his ostensible beliefs that his handlers
devised for public consumption.

Powell is an opportunist interested in POWER, not reactionary ideology.
He partially resembles Chief Buthelezi of South Africa, who worked
secretly on behalf of the Apartheid regime. Buthelezi didn't work for
apartheid for ideological reasons, but because he wanted to increase his
power base and the oppressors were willing to help him do it.  Likewise,
Powell has furthered his own career through involvement in bloody wars,
not out of reactionary ideology but rather a desire to help perpetuate
U.S. military power and dominance over the planet.

Every oppressed group throughout history has had members willing to aid
the oppressors to further their own positions, either out of misguided
self-interest or by identifying with the oppressors.  Even the Nazi
ghettos in Poland had Jews willing to help the Germans round up their
victims.

Powell claims that he supported (and benefitted from) the civil rights
movement, but Martin Luther King and other leaders worked from a
non-violent perspective, and strongly condemned the Vietnam War.  King, if
he had not been killed, would certainly protest Powell's actions in
Central America and the Middle East.

It is also curious how Powell's media blitz has been much more successful
than the other African-American Presidential candidate: Republican Alan
Keyes of Maryland.  Keyes, unlike Powell, is a fundamentalist Christian
ideologue who worked for UN Ambassador Jeane Kirkpatrick at the United
Nations in the early 1980's, where he helped politically support South
Africa.  However, Powell's hands are far bloodier than Keyes's.

When the Air Force allowed women to become "missileers" (who are ready to
launch nuclear armageddon 24 hours a day), this decision was not an
advancement for feminism and gender equality.  Likewise, Powell's
involvement in illegal invasions and mass murder, not to mention his
control of the nuclear doomsday machine, merely proves that the military
is not strictly racist_they're willing to allow a black face as the public
manifestation as long as that face conforms to the program.

Affirmative action is not about being the first person of non-European
descent to plot the murder of thousands of non-whites from within the
bowels of the Pentagon.  Powell's rise to the top of the Pentagon did not
advance the cause of racial equality_just his own personal lust for power.

Opposition to General Powell is not based on the fact of military service,
since there is a big difference between people who join the military due
to the "economic draft" and a General who ordered the massacre of
defenseless civilians in Panama City's slums and their burial in secret
mass graves.

Powell is well qualified to perpetuate obscene levels of military spending
and to plan invasions of virtually unarmed countries like Panama and cover
up the resulting civilian carnage. casualties.  He's also expert at
covering up weapons sales to ultra-dictatorships like Iran. But it's
doubtful that he's thought much about environmental sustainability,
improving education to teach critical thinking, reducing extreme
inequality and reviving a sense of community (ie. it's different than pure
jingoist nationalism) in this country.

Powell's career is not that of a great leader in fights for social
equality, justice, human rights, sustainable economy, etc.  When Senator
Bradley (D-NJ) announced his retirement this summer, he quoted the
playright Bertold Brecht, who said "Unhappy is the land that needs a
hero."

While Powell's involvement in Iran-Contra, the illegal Panama massacre and
last, but not least, the Gulf War, qualifies him to run the world's
largest military industrial complex, it does not qualify him to supervise
the transition to a better, more equitable, sustainable society not
predicated on mass murder and limitless resource exploitation.  Voting for
Powell would be no different than voting for Lockheed or General Dynamics
for President.

Colin Powell should spend his days planting trees in Haiti or clearing
mines in Angola, undoing the tremendous damage he's helped create, not
trying to create a second Republican party.  The world needs a remote
island_preferably Bikini Atoll, ravaged by US nuclear tests_where war
criminals from around the world could spend the rest of their days and not
hurt anyone else again.  Colin Powell could join Gen. Schwartzkopf, George
Bush, Saddam Hussein, Saudi King Fah'd, Yitzhak Shamir, the Argentine
Generals, Idi Amin, the Rwandan army, Pol Pot, Suharto (dictator of
Indonesia), China's Li Peng, Russia's Boris Yeltsin, nuclear warmonger
Edward Teller, ad nauseam.

We need more non-violent soldiers such as those on the international
flotilla of politicians and grass roots activists who sailed to Tahiti and
Muroroa atoll this summer to block French nuclear tests.  It takes more
courage to be a non-violent activist like the Greenpeace campaigners in
the Pacific, the Dalai Lama, Martin Luther King, Gandhi, or the "White
Rose" resistance group in Nazi Germany, than to order mass slaughters
thousands of miles away.

"In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of
unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the
military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of
misplaced power exists and will persist.  We must never let the weight of
this combination endanger our liberties or democratic process." - Dwight
D. Eisenhower's farewell speech, January 17, 1961

Eisenhower also remarked that every dollar spent on weapons was a theft
>from  the poor, who would suffer greatly as a result of military spending.
By that criteria, Colin Powell makes Michael Milken seem honest in
spending other peoples' money.  In 1981, the federal deficit was about $1
trillion, now it's about $5 trillion.  Doubling of the military budget
during the Reagan era wasted nearly $5 trillion in military spending to
date. Budget Director David Stockman admitted after leaving the White
House that the deficit was intentionally raised to force desired social
spending cuts.

Haven't we had enough presidents who get our country involved in secret,
bloody, disgusting wars?

Demand that the media report the truth!
ABC News  (202) 897-7977
NBC News  (202) 362-2009
CBS News  (202) 659-2589
Cable News Network (202) 898-7565
McNeil-Lehrer  (703) 998-2870
National Public Radio (202) 414-3329
Washington Post  (202) 334-6000
New York Times   (202) 862-0340


"A nation that continues year after year to spend more money on military
defense than on programs of social uplift is approaching spiritual death."
-- "A Time to Break Silence," Martin Luther King, Jr., April 4, 1967

------------------------------


-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Mon Sep 25 12:50:07 PDT 1995
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In article <4438ge$fg4@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:

> How do you know Nyiszli didn't exist? Do you have some sort of
> evidence about who wrote the book which appears in his name? Or is
> this just another in the tedious series of unsubstantiated
> speculations that you trade in?

According to Pressac, he replied to a letter from Rassinier when he was dead.
I have tried to find some meaningful evidence that he did indeed exist but
could find none. I wrote to Yad Vashem, and they hadn't heard of him either!
 
> >There are a couple of other Auschwitz doctors who have written ludicrous 
> >autobiographies: Gisella Perl and Ella Lingens-Reiner. It's only when you 
> >read crap like this that you realise why the people in this group 
> >insist it is documents rather than eyewitness testimony 
> >that proves there were gassings.
> 
> Absolutely every memoir cited by you is "crap," and then only by bare
> assertion. Unless on the very rare occasion it agrees with your empty
> opinions.


This is Dr Perl: another "best witness" 

"The children...did not go with their mothers into the  gas-cham-
bers."  Instead they were burnt alive! Hundreds of  thousands  of 
them. 

  Dr Perl also exhibits another trait typical of so many  concen-
tration  camp survivors, a pathological obsession with filth.  On 
page  33 she records: "There was, of course, no toilet  paper  in 
the  latrine  and we had no way of obtaining  paper  except  when 
somebody stole some from the store-rooms around the  crematories. 
We got into the habit of tearing tiny squares of material off our 
shirts,  drying our eyes with them at first, then using  them  to 
clean  our rectum [sic]. However careful we were, the shirts  got 
shorter and shorter until there was nothing left but the shoulder 
straps and a narrow strip around our chests." 
  On  pages  33-4,  this resulted in a  shirt  inspection;  naked 
whippings  and  "selection", for "to die in the flames"  was  the 
punishment for damaging camp property.
  Also  on page 34 she records that after rising at 4am  the  in-
mates  stood from four to six hours waiting for roll  call  until 
"our  torturers  arrived, fresh, gay and ready for new  feats  of 
torture." By gay, one presumes she means happy rather than  homo-
sexual,  as  any $gay$ SS officers would  have  been  purged 
along with Ernst Roehm years before, and any $gay$ civil-
ians would have been sent to the camps as inmates rather than  as 
staff.  Waiting  from four to six hours in a  parade   every  day 
wouldn't have left much time for Dr Perl to carry out her work as 
right  hand woman to the Angel of Death, or for performing  abor-
tions,  (on pages 61-5 she meets the Bitch of Belsen, Irma  Greze 
[sic]  and  performs one on her). While, fainting or  crying  out 
when  whipped  or failing to turn up for roll call were  all  pu-
nished by being "thrown into the flames, alive." 


> Who insists that it's EITHER documents OR testimonies except you?
> Certainly not me. The documents corroborate the testimonies, and both
> are important. But as you deal with neither in any substantial or
> constructive way, your opinions tend to be dismissed.

The testimony above is important? And it is corroborated by documents?
If you believe that John, you should see a psychiatrist.

By the way, I do not reject ALL testimonies out of hand; Margarete Buber's
book has the ring of truth, so does Kitty Hart's when you take out all the crap
about her witnessing a gassing. Gerda Klein's book is not so incredible,
but if I recall she doesn't claim to have witnessed any gassings. Vrba's book
is a mixture of lies and fantasy. I'm reading a couple at the moment which 
defy belief.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Tue Sep 26 17:43:41 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article <444lmb$1nl@gwdu19.gwdg.de> uroessl1@gwdg.de "Ulrich Roessler" writes:

> Alexander Baron  writes:

I've just sent copies of Staeglich's analyis to Jeff Roberts, so hopefully he'll
scan them in within a week or so. We'll discuss this further then.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Tue Sep 26 19:27:59 PDT 1995
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In article <444ds3$bdu@mn5.swip.net>
           stephane.bruchfeld@mailbox.swipnet.se "Stephane Bruchfeld" writes:

> From what I've read
> about the book, for instance in Hermann Graml's article "Alte und
> neue Apologeten Hitlers" (in Benz (ed): "Rechtsextremismus in
> Deutschland"), it would seem like a waste of time to bother with
> it.

Maybe you should read the truth the man tells rather than the lies
people tell about him.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Tue Sep 26 19:28:00 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: 6,000,000 minus a few
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In article 
           bforest@bliss.demon.co.uk "bruce forest" writes:
> Oh that's a neat trick. There are 60 million people in Great Britain. Less
> than 300k are Jewish. Are you saying we are so influential as to control
> the Christian hordes like so many hedgehogs? Wow, that's power. No wonder
> you're worried.

I am saying that the so-called race industry, certainly the legislation side
of it, has been primarily the work of Organised Jewry. This is no big secret, 
and indeed the Jewish Chronicle has at times boasted about it. I don't know
that "we" in this case includes you. Whatever certain idiots in this newsgroup
assert, I have never tarred all Jews with the same brush. Certainly not Michael
Howard, who has done far more than any goy Home Secretary to keep these monsters
off our backs.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article 
           cendbj@bonaly.hw.ac.uk "David Johnston" writes:

>Is it perhaps responsible for 
> Britain letting in the lowest number of refugees in Europe? 

The word "refugees" is a total misnomer in 99.9% of cases. A while ago 
a Channel 4 TV programme revealed that some of these "refugees" were wanted
for war crimes in Bangladesh in the 1970s.
 
> Or maybe you're letting your demented paranoia take over again.

Or maybe you should browse through a few back issues of "Patterns of Prejudice"
you patronising bastard.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <446aso$rvo@larry.cc.emory.edu>
           libwca@larry.cc.emory.edu "william c anderson" writes:

 
> Thanks, Al; I remember the exchange quite well.  You named eight banks--
> seven of the "Jewish controlled"--and claimed that these eight banks
> owned the Federal Reserve System. When I and several other folks explained
> to you how the Fed is actually structured, you shut up right quick.

No, if you re-read the posting you'll see I said that 7 of these 8 banks
have Jewish names. That is all. If you want further confirmation of this
you can consult 2 of my publications which were published long before I 
came on the Internet, in particular GLOBAL DECEPTION.

Alternatively you can keep putting lies in my mouth in order to refute them
and prove to all your friends in the ADL what a wonderful - and totally spineless
- philo-Semitic creep you really are.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Tue Sep 26 19:28:03 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article <4444f6$p56@access2.digex.net>
           mstein@access2.digex.net "Michael P. Stein" writes:
 
>     Funny, I think the obvious reason she had not a shred of evidence is
> that she was a prisoner.  What, you think they'd give her a camera to
> record the event, then let her out to go to the corner drugstore to have
> the film developed, so that she could back up her claim about what she
> saw?  Your expectation that she or any other prisoner could possibly offer
> physical evidence to corroborate _anything_ she saw happen at Auschwitz is
> simply amazing - a fantasy concocted by (how old are you, Al?) who hasn't
> the slightest grasp of evidence and logic, or (I'm coming to believe)
> reality. 

Mike, we have been over this before so you have no excuse for it. In her book
Hart claims she saw SS man Wagner pick up a baby that was sucking at its dead
mother's breast and throw it into the oven. This is a total fantasy. Re-read
the text and do the basic anaylsis. Don't defend such evil, wilful lies: the only
thing Kitty Hart has in common with you is the word Jew.

Incidentally, in the above passage you assert - correct me if I'm wrong -
that arch-liar Hart, and by implication most other survivors, have no real
evidence of Nazi genocide, and therefore we should take what they say on faith.
If this is the case then the oft' repeated - and totally false - assertion in
this newsgroup that the Revisionists have no evidence, even if it were true,
would be irrelevant, for by your admission they have nothing to disprove.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article <445ojq$1uoq@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:
 
> You have missed my point and, I think, deliberately so. Now you are
> asserting that Kitty Hart was nothing more than a traumatized little
> girl who could not have seen what she says she saw. But *how* do you
> know that she wasn't a traumatized little girl who was traumatized by
> what she saw, a baby being burned alive? Have you read a
> psychologist's report on her? 

I've read her book. It's lies.

> Was I away the day you condemned the Nazi persecution of the Jews? I
> seem to recall that you have argued that the anti-Jewish laws had
> little effect on Jews in Germany from 1933-1939. 

I said that Jews were not murdered by the State; I have never condoned the
Nazi persecution of the Jews, but for me evil doesn't begin and end with 
the swastika.

>I recall too that you
> claimed to have some articles from the Jewish Chronicle showing how
> jolly it was for for the Jews. You never did share them with us. 

Read my book or do what I did and read the Jewish Chronicle for the
entire Nazi era. No further comment.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <444ds3$bdu@mn5.swip.net>
           stephane.bruchfeld@mailbox.swipnet.se "Stephane Bruchfeld" writes:

> From what I've read
> about the book, for instance in Hermann Graml's article "Alte und
> neue Apologeten Hitlers" (in Benz (ed): "Rechtsextremismus in
> Deutschland"), it would seem like a waste of time to bother with
> it.

Maybe you should read the truth the man tells rather than the lies
people tell about him.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <444ds3$bdu@mn5.swip.net>
           stephane.bruchfeld@mailbox.swipnet.se "Stephane Bruchfeld" writes:

> From what I've read
> about the book, for instance in Hermann Graml's article "Alte und
> neue Apologeten Hitlers" (in Benz (ed): "Rechtsextremismus in
> Deutschland"), it would seem like a waste of time to bother with
> it.

Maybe you should read the truth the man tells rather than the lies
people tell about him.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Thu Sep 28 14:44:11 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article <44807a$k07@nimitz.fibr.net>
           Harry W. Mazal OBE "hmazal@txdirect.net, San Antonio, Texas" writes:
> 
> What he does not explain is how (and why) he dropped his libel suits against
>  Mr. Whine, The 
> Board of Deputies, the Commisioner of Police and the Editor of the Jewish
>  Chronicle.  An action 
> against him to recover legal costs has been successful! Perhapos Mr. Baron can
>  tell us how much 
> his little legal provocations have cost him.

I have said before in this newsgroup that a little knowledge is a dangerous 
thing; that applies to you too Harry Mazal OBE. Your little knowledge is exceeded
only by your integrity, which is not existent. Now what about Suzman and Diamond?

With regard to my alleged trials, when they are no longer sub judicae I wll shout
it from the rooftops. Having seen the sick farce of the State v O.J. Simpson
I can only say I hope nothing like that ever happens here.
 

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <447234$fba@amhux3.amherst.edu>
           jaklein@news.amherst.edu "Josh Klein" writes:

> Alexander Baron (A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk) wrote:
> > > to right an obvious injustice.  
> 
> > What injustice is that? 
> 
> The injustice, Mr. Baron, which blacks suffered when they were denied the
> right to vote (in violation of the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution)
> by poll taxes, tests, and intimidations.  

Don't be a moron Josh; there were literacy tests for voting; a similar situation
prevailed in Rhodesia; blacks could vote if they had a certain amount of 
education and/or income. These tests are not based on race but on common sense.
The idea is to limit the franchise so that the country is governed by the most
capable citizenry. The so-called civil rights movement - in particular the 
registering of illiterate blacks - was nothing but a scam by communists and
fellow travellers and Jewish mischief-makers. The distinguished Jewish scholar
Nathaniel Weyl - read him sometime - said that this was a major cause of 
anti-Semitism in the South, but of course, in your world view, no Jew or 
organised group of Jews ever contributes to their race being hated, no matter
what they do.

Furthermore, women didn't get the vote in Switzerland until 1972, and I didn't
see many people crying for them.

>The injustice of being subject
> to lynchings without trial.  

Whites were lynched as well, mostly for rape. And the only Jew ever to be 
lynched - allegedly on account of his race - in "bigoted" America, Leo Frank,
was lynched because white men believed the word of an illiterate Negro rather
than an educated Northerner. None of that makes lynching right of course, but
it does destroy the myth that this was an injustice meted out only to blacks.

The injustice of daily humiliation.  The
> injustice of paying equal taxes yet being forced into third rate schools.

The doctrine of separate but equal was established in the case Plessy v 
Ferguson in the 19th century.


> I'm sorry, but your supposed sufferings at the hands of British Jews don't
> seem so grave in comparison.

My suffering at the hands of Organised Jewry is real; if you defend them
you too should be condemned. They have tried to destroy me simply because I
am a goy and have repeatedly exposed one of their own kind who has lied to them
as freely as to the goyim. For them, race is everything. I was rather hoping 
you would be better than them. Some hope.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article  kfilan@netcom.com "kevin filan" writes:

 
>         Is it somehow _impossible_ that human beings _could be_ thrown 
> into burning pits? (Not saying that they were right now; just saying that 
> they _might be_.  Is there some reason that you _couldn't_ throw a baby 
> into a burning pit, other than "Al Baron says you couldn't?")

Just because something is possible doesn't mean it happened. Dr Perl produced
no evidence to back up this claim. Her main contribution appears to have been
to start the hunt for Dr Mengele.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <447f1c$1l0m@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>
           gmcfee@ibm.net "Gord McFee" writes:

> 
> I apply the same standards to all persons who purport to write history, 
> insofar as I am able to verify the facts described.  In this sense, Staeglich 
> is a fraud and a crank, and Hilberg, for example, is a historian.

Document your rhetoric or hold your piece.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <44753d$fba@amhux3.amherst.edu>
           jaklein@news.amherst.edu "Josh Klein" writes:

 
> Let's see -- if Al Baron believes that the Quality (Y) of evidence
> is indirectly related to the Quantity (X) of evidence, then, as
> his evidence keeps getting better and better, it gradually thins
> out.  Y reaches infinity, but unfortunatly, Al has nothing to 
> print in his books.  (Well, almost nothing.  He still has his
> troglodyte homophobic comments.)

As someone who has read my book you are either a fool or a knave Mr Klein;
I am inclined to think your college education proves you are no fool.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <4482fd$k07@nimitz.fibr.net>
           Harry W. Mazal OBE "hmazal@txdirect.net, San Antonio, Texas" writes:

 
> Perhaps Mr. Baron would tell us exactly how much synthetic rubber was produced
>  at
> Auschwitz.  Bibliographic references would be useful, not just assumptions.

Perhaps you'd like to answer my question about your lying co-racialists 
Suzman and Diamond, Harry frightened old man Mazal OBE.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <447pp2$28u@newsbf02.news.aol.com>
           jimc90049@aol.com "JimC90049" writes:

>  Scarface
> got his on income tax evasion, and Baron got his on Scarface revisionism. 

If a man were to put a gun to your head and say give me 20% of your money
you'd call the cops. When the government does it you call it taxation.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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From: Alexander Baron 
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>In article <4444f6$p56@access2.digex.net>
>           mstein@access2.digex.net "Michael P. Stein" writes:

>     Funny, I think the obvious reason she had not a shred of evidence is
> that she was a prisoner.  What, you think they'd give her a camera to
> record the event, then let her out to go to the corner drugstore to have
> the film developed, so that she could back up her claim about what she
> saw?  Your expectation that she or any other prisoner could possibly offer
> physical evidence to corroborate _anything_ she saw happen at Auschwitz is
> simply amazing - a fantasy concocted by (how old are you, Al?) who hasn't
> the slightest grasp of evidence and logic, or (I'm coming to believe)
> reality. 

Mike, we have been over this before so you have no excuse for it. In her book
Hart claims she saw SS man Wagner pick up a baby that was sucking at its dead
mother's breast and throw it into the oven. This is a total fantasy. Re-read
the text and do the basic anaylsis. Don't defend such evil, wilful lies: the 
only thing Kitty Hart has in common with you is the word Jew.

Incidentally, in the above passage you assert - correct me if I'm wrong -
that arch-liar Hart, and by implication most other survivors, have no real
evidence of Nazi genocide, and therefore we should take what they say on faith.
If this is the case then the oft' repeated - and totally false - assertion in
this newsgroup that the Revisionists have no evidence, even if it were true,
would be irrelevant, for by your admission they have nothing to disprove.


Apologies if I've posted this before.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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"Note: While some 90% of the Jews suport Zionism and the Jewish Lobby in its
attempt to control the U.S. government, a small number of Jews oppose such
a scheme. They include David Cole, Harry Katz (wealthy Manhattan businessman),
 famous author and attorney Mark Lane and a small number of others. We stress
this point to insure that our readers understand that this publication does
not oppose all Jews but only Zionist Jews.)"  - The Truth At Last, issue 363

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <44b2mu$vts@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:

 
>    Alexander Baron  wrote:
> 
>    These "persecutions" were almost entirely economic. There were
>    still private Jewish banks in Germany up until 1938. When Jewish
>    businesses were Aryanised they often retained their old names to
>    trade on the good will of their former owners!
> 
> Sounds to me like you were excusing the persecution of Jews on the
> grounds that it wasn't really so bad.


If your next door neighbour is arrested and convicted of burglary and 
somebody claims he was convicted instead of battering an old lady to death,
are you excusing him by pointing out that he is only a thief rather than a
murderer?




-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <44a6h1$llu@mn5.swip.net>
           stephane.bruchfeld@mailbox.swipnet.se "Stephane Bruchfeld" writes:


> Tell you what. I will, if you give me Staeglich's arguments about
> the Himmler speech in Posen 4 October 1943. If they impress me as
> worth taking into account, I'll get the book, read it and say
> what I think about it. If the man's telling the truth it ought to
> be in your interest to get his gospel out, right? So far you've
> been a lousy apostle. So, do we have a deal?

Sure do, I've just posted it to Jeff so he shoud scan it in within a 
week. E-mail Jeff@Stumpy.Demon.Co.UK


-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:


> Sigh. I guess it's useless to ask Al "Jews are dumb" Baron 

Could it be Dan that you are just looking for an excuse to repeat the
phrase "Jews are dumb" without being smeared as an anti-Semite?

WHY
> he can conclude that this never happened? More so, since he admits
> that the Nazis *did* burn people alive in other camps?

Another distortion, I said that there was a war-time atrocity, at the end
of the war, when this happened. It was not part of the Final Solution. Neither
was Oradour, where I believe a similar thing happened. As at Mai Lai.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <44b1v6$vts@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:
 
> But seriously, if you want confirmation of Dr. Nyiszli's existence,
> why don't you write to the University of Breslau for a copy of his
> doctoral thesis which he defended in 1930.

Thanks, I will. Rassinier wrote to Dr Nylizli care of his publisher not 
knowing he was dead. This is discussed in Pressac's tome. Keep insulting
my intelligence if you wish, but I can tell by your replies that my very 
existence bothers you. Oh yes, I do exist.


 Or see if you can hunt up
> his book. There is a picture of the dissertation title page in it.

I have a copy of his book; it is totally worthless as an historical document.
 
> It is amazing, too, that the SS could find hundreds of thosuands of RM
> to buy crematory equipment but grudged the inmates lesser amounts to
> install an adequate sewage system.

Our government recently spent 13 million pounds of National Lottery money
on acquiring the library of Winston Churchill when there are people sleeping 
homeless on the streets of London. It's not only the Nazis who had 
false priorities and who make people's stomachs turn.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> After the news came out that the "leading revisionist scholar", David
> Irving, stated that 4 million Jews died in the Holocaust, we have
> not seen one "revisionist" quote anything by Irving.
> 
> Moreover, not one of them has even commented on his statement.
> 
> I wonder why...

You obviously haven't read my book, Dan. It was published in October 1994
and predicted this. You will find that a lot of right wing groups will be
sitting up to take notice in future, even if the Revisionists proper don't.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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This is all you're gonna get without ordering it. Why not try your local
library?


A REVISIONIST HISTORY OF PROHIBITION


$To The Reader$


There is no vested interest behind this study; the current writer 
gave up alcohol in January 1986, and, save for the odd helping of 
sherry  trifle,  has not knowingly consumed it,  and,  barring  a 
miracle,  never will again, for the remainder of his  undoubtedly 
short  life. This pamphlet has been written for one  purpose  and 
one  purpose  alone, to set the historical  record  straight.  In 
particular,  to  exonerate the great American  pioneer  and  free 
market entrepreneur Alphonse Capone, one of the most maligned men 
in  history,  from the lies and calumny that have  been  directed 
against  him by both the media and successive administrations  of 
the  increasingly  fascistic  United States  Government.  And  to 
expose  the  antecedents and fraudulent methodology of  his  most 
notorious  slanderer and persecutor, the  so-called  $Untouch-
able$, Eliot Ness. (1)


Preamble$


It  is a sad fact that, unlike science, history has  no  internal 
consistency  or logic. In science, the quest for an ordered  uni-
verse is paramount. However many glitches and bumps there may  be 
on  the road to truth, knowledge and understanding; however  many 
anomalies  the  scientist may encounter; ultimately, there  is  a 
supreme  order and consistency about the paradigm he  constructs. 
In  science, energy flows from hot to cold. Always.  Water  flows 
downhill under the influence of gravity. Always. The velocity  of 
light $in vacuo$ is constant for all observers. Always.
  Unlike science, the study of history yields no immutable  para-
digms,  rather history is interpreted, rewritten and censored  at 
the   behest   of  the  latest  dictator  or   unelected   ruling 
$elite$, or at the whim of some highly acclaimed $histor-
ian$, who may be little more than a state-sponsored polemicist. 
History  is even interpreted according to fads.  Thus,  Hiroshima 
and  Nagasaki  were  $necessary$ acts  which  shortened  the 
course  of the Second World War and saved countless lives,  while 
the  well-documented atrocities committed by the Nazis and  their 
Japanese  allies against innocent civilians were abominable  acts 
beyond  the  pale  which deserved only to be  punished  with  the 
utmost  severity, and remembered for all time as obscenities  and 
the ultimate crimes against humanity. (2)
  The inconsistencies and double standards of history relate  not 
only  to acts of supreme evil, but to individuals, some  of  whom 
are  to be shunned and scorned for eternity merely  for  choosing 
the lesser of evils, while others are to be canonised for  perpe-
trating acts of such gross inhumanity and wanton destruction that 
it  beggars  belief anyone should want to remember them  at  all, 
except  perhaps  to spit on their graves. One  such  monster  was 
Napoleon  Bonaparte,  who at best was a comic  opera  figure  who 
walked  around with his hand inside his trouser saying  "Not  to-
night, Josephine". Few and far between are the Frenchmen who will 
today  speak  of  Napoleon in anything but awe,  yet  his  futile 
crusades ruined France and robbed it of the finest flower of  its 
youth,  over a hundred thousand of whom perished in  his  Russian 
campaign  alone,  and were left frozen to death on  the  road  to 
Moscow.  The  same  can be said of Hitler who  also  invaded  the 
Soviet  Union; Churchill, who rejected Hitler's offers of  peace, 
which  would  have saved countless lives; and indeed  many  other 
figures throughout history.
  On  a  far less grand scale, many people who  have  caused  and 
spread  untold misery, want and destruction have also been  cano-
nised, while at the same time, the most industrious of  business-
men, whose only $crime$ has been to satisfy a public  demand 
- to give the people what they want - and to make a few quid  for 
themselves  in  the  process, have been damned  as  Public  Enemy 
Number One, denounced to high heaven as racketeers and gangsters, 
and  portrayed time and time again on celluloid, in pulp  fiction 
and  in  regular  history books as enemies of  humanity  no  less 
monstrous than either Adolf Hitler or Joseph Stalin. One of  most 
notorious  of these aforementioned agents of misery was a  state-
sponsored thug named Eliot Ness; and one of the most  industrious 
and finest of these industrious entrepreneurs was Al Capone.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: A Partial Refutation Of 66 Of Dan Keren's Wilful Distortions
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>        
>#   29. Was this product suitable for mass extermination?
>#        No. If the Nazis had intended to use poison gas to exterminate
>#        people, far more efficient products were available. Zyklon is a
>#        slow-acting fumigation agent.
>
>Zyklon-B kills pretty fast - within minutes. it's cheap, it 
>was available, and the SS had plenty of experience using it. It 
>was an obvious choice. It was a far more logical choice than
>nerve gases, etc.


It was so obvious that Hoess is supposed to have thought long and hard
before deciding on it.


>          
>#   30. How long does it take to ventilate an area after fumigation with
>#       Zyklon B?
>#        Normally about 20 hours. 
>
>Not if one uses forced ventilation, as in Kremas II and III in 
>Birkenau. It's quite easy to ventilate a gas chamber. Much easier than
>ventilating a building; it's just a big room. In some of the other
>gas chamber, the men who had to go inside and take the corpses
>out used gas masks:



>
>
>#  The whole procedure is very complicated and dangerous. 
>
>Preposterous. Zyklon-B was widely used before and after the war. It
>would not be such a successful product if it would have been so
>difficult to use.
>


large quantities [of cyanide gas] are required to fumigate ships and mills and 
several hours have to be allowed to protect the operators, ie 
before they can enter the area.

"Liquid hydrocyanic acid is unstable and may even explode" - Encyclopaedia Britannica



>#   33. What was the exact procedure the Nazis allegedly used to
>#       exterminate Jews?
>#         The stories range from dropping gas canisters into a crowded
>#         room from a hole in the ceiling, to piping gas through shower
>#         heads, to "steam chambers," to "electrocution" machinery.
> 
>Different methods were used at different places. 
>
>It is true that, when the mass gassings began, some people who 
>spied on the camps from a distance didn't understand exactly
>how the gas chambers were working, and gave false reports/conjectures
>regarding the technique of the gassing.


Who these spies are is not known; presumably we are expected to assume
that they were telling the unvarnished truth because they were Jewish
(although we can't even say that for certain).

>These people were not engineers or scientists. They saw trainloads of
>people going into Belzec and Treblinka, and no one coming out.  

And assumed they had been gassed.


>Take the "steam
>chambers", for instance, which are mentioned in a report by Poles who
>were spying on Treblinka (in which people were killed by the exhaust
>of a tank engine; this method was also used in Belzec, Sobibor, and
>Chelmno, but not in Auschwitz, where Zyklon-B was used). When these
>gas chambers were opened, a cloud of smoke came out. This is probably
>what led some people who were spying on the camps to conjecture that
>steam was used.


A cloud of smoke came out? But didn't these "gas chambers" open directly
into the crematoria? Smoke came out of gas chambers? You're right up to
a point here, Dan. It is conjecture, but the conjecture is that of a desperate
man. You. What a waste of a PhD.


>          
>#   34. How could a mass extermination program have been kept secret from
>#       those who were scheduled to be killed?
>#        It couldn't have been kept secret. 
>
>It was, in general, kept secret. There was no CNN back then. The 
>SS-men who were in the camps or who knew about them were warned to 
>keep silent or face severe punishment:


It was secret but it wasn't secret. 


> He explained that we had been dedicated to the Kulmhof
>[Chelmno] extermination camp as guards and added that in this camp the
>plague boils of humanity, the Jews, were exterminated.  We were to
>keep quiet about everything we saw or heard, otherwise we would have
>to reckon with our families' imprisonment and the death penalty.

Where is the written order, Dan? 


          
>#   35. If Jews scheduled for execution knew the fate in store for them,
>#       why did they go along with the Germans without resisting?
>#         They didn't fight back because they did not believe there was
>#         any intention to kill them.


>At times, the Jews did fight back. There was a large rebellion
>in the Warsaw Ghetto, when the Jews discovered what was happening
>in Treblinka. There were other, smaller, rebellions, including
>some in the death camps, such as Treblinka, Sobibor, and Birkenau.

Some even spied for the Gestapo; some undoubtedly believed it, but 
there are plenty of people today who believe that AIDS was invented
in the laboratory by the US government as part of a plan to exterminate
blacks. There will always be some loony who will believe anything as 
long as it is far out enough. [I believe because it is absurd - Tertullian.]

>          
>#   36. About how many Jews died in the concentration camps?
>#        Competent estimates range from about 300,000 to 500,000.
>
>Oddly enough, no historian agrees with these estimates. 

Neither do many Revisionists. Arthur Butz says he wouldn't disagree with a 
million.

>According to the most respected source in Germany regarding Nazi
>crimes, the "Institute for Contemporary History" in Munich, about
>a million Jews were murdered in Auschwitz-Birkenau, 700,000 in
>Treblinka, and 600,000 in Belzec, to list the three worst camps.
>          
>
>#   37. How did they die?
>#        Mainly from recurring typhus epidemics 

Which claimed 3 million lives in the aftermath of the First World War.

>         
>#   40. Some Jewish "death camp" survivors say they saw bodies being
>#       dumped into pits and burned. How much fuel would have been
>#       required for this?
>#         A great deal more than the Germans had access to, 
>
>And the proof for this is...?
>
>The SS used wood, gasoline refuse, methanol, and used motor oil
>to burn the corpses (see testimonies in Nazi Mass Murder: A Documentary 
>History of the Use of Poison Gas, edited by E. Kogon, H. Langbein, and
>A. Rueckerl, Yale University Press, 1993, chapter about Auschwitz).
>          
>#   41. Can bodies be burned in pits?
>#        No. It is impossible for human bodies to be totally consumed by
>#        flames in this manner because of lack of oxygen.
>  
>And the proof for this is...? Did the person who wrote this ever
>try to burn corpses?

What was that story about Faurisson asking Pressac to burn a rabbit,
Pressac tried, then gave up!

>#   42. Holocaust historians claim that the Nazis were able to
>#       cremate bodies in about ten minutes. 
>
>This is certainly not what most Holocaust historians claim. 

True, I have seen some estimates from survivors for 20 minutes. The
figure is still unrealistic.




>Auschwitz had 5 crematoriums with 52 (!!) cremation furnaces.
>
>Anyone ever hear of a "work camp" with 52 cremation furnaces?

This figure is by no means certain, in spite of the claims at the 
second Zundel trial. Staeglich presents strong evidence that the size
of these facilities were exaggerated. There could be other reasons 
for there being so many ovens. It may have been that somebody in the 
SS was taking backhanders from Topf & Sohne.


>
>#   45. Can a crematory oven be operated 100 percent of the time?
>#        No. Fifty percent of the time is a generous estimate (12 hours
>#        per day). Crematory ovens have to be cleaned thoroughly and
>#        regularly when in heavy operation.
>
>So they were cleaned.

And were not operated round the clock.

>
>#   46. How much ash is left from a cremated corpse?
>#         After the bone is all ground down, about a shoe box full.
> 
>This one may actually be correct. 

>
>         
>#   47. If six million people had been incinerated by the Nazis, what
>#         happened to the ashes?
>#         That remains to be "explained." Six million bodies would have
>#         produced many tons of ashes, yet there is no evidence of any
>#         large ash depositories.

Six million missing bodies would have produced six million names. Nothing
like that many can be accounted for, and there were fairly accurate
census and other figures available at this time.
 
>         
>#  48. Do Allied wartime aerial reconnaissance photos of Auschwitz (taken
>#      during the period when the "gas chambers" and crematoria were
>#      supposedly in full operation) show evidence of extermination?
>#       No. In fact, these photographs do not even reveal a trace of
>#       the enormous amount of smoke that supposedly was constantly
>#       over the camp, nor do they show evidence of the "open pits" in
>#       which bodies were allegedly burned.
>
>Overflight of Auschwitz were very few and were carried out in 
>late 1944, when the extermination process was almost finished. 
>Some aerial photos were taken after the gas chambers were destroyed. 

In other words, no.


>As for the so-called "burning ditches", there are photographs of
>them taken not from airplanes, but by Auschwitz prisoners. See
>Pressac's book (question 44), page 422.

Obviously the "52 crematoria" were insufficient. Was this because the 
Nazis miscalculated the number of Jews they were to "gas", or because
they didn't realise how bad the typhus epidemics would become.
          
>#   49. What was the main provision of the German "Nuremberg Laws" of
>#       1935?
>#         They forbid marriage and sexual relations between Germans and
>#         Jews, similar to laws existing in Israel today.

And protected the Zionist flag. Aryans could and were also punished for 
the "crime" of Rassenschande. The Jewish religion forbids marrying out,
indeed in 1993 an organisation was founded in Britain called Jewish
Continuity to preserve the Jewish heritage. Miscegenation is purely for
the goyim.

 
>There are not, and there have never been, such laws in Israel. There 
>is no law in Israel that doesn't allow Jews and non-Jews to have 
>sex. Period. Holocaust-deniers throw these lies around, probably
>hoping no one will bother to check them.

There is a law in Israel that permits the security services to torture
suspects, something there never was in Nazi Germany. But in any case, 
when have the Israelis ever give a fuck about either domestic law or 
international law or "world opinion"? 

In May 1993, the human rights organisation Amnesty International issued 
a press release which revealed that since December 1992, more than 100 
Palestinians had been shot and killed by the Israeli security forces, 
thirty of them under the age of seventeen. 

How many Jewish schoolkids did the Nazis murder prior to World War Two, 
Dan? Here's a clue: less than one.

>
>
>#   50. Were there any American precedents for the Nuremberg Laws?
>#         Years before Hitler's Third Reich, most states in the USA had
>#         enacted laws prohibiting marriage between persons of different
>#         races.
> 
>So?

So, as J.C. Owen said when he returned from the Munich Olympics: Nazi
Germany wasn't the only place where racial prejudice was rife.

>         
>
>#   51. What did the International Red Cross have to report with regard to
>#         the "Holocaust" question?
>#         An official report on the visit of an IRC delegation to
>#         Auschwitz in September 1944 pointed out that internees were
>#         permitted to receive packages, and that rumors of gas chambers
>#         could not be verified.
> 
>The IRC delegation wasn't allowed anywhere near the gas chambers.
>They were shown a small part of the camp, built especially for the
>purpose of camouflage. 


In other words: they saw no gas chambers.


>#   52. What was the role of the Vatican during the time six million Jews
>#        were allegedly being exterminated?
>#         If there had been an extermination plan, the Vatican would most
>#         certainly have been in a position to know about it. But because
>#         there was none, the Vatican had no reason to speak out against
>#         it, and didn't.
>
>Who says the Vatican "would most certainly have been in a position
>to know about it"? 

Anyone with a brain in his head.

>The Nazis hated the Catholic church, and executed many
>clergymen. 

Bollocks. No clergymen were executed because they were clergymen. 

The church had no power or influence over the Nazis. 

Crap. The euthenasia programme was suspended partly due to Church
disapproval


>#   53. What evidence is there that Hitler knew of an on-going Jewish
>#       extermination program?
>#         None.
> 
>Of course there is. 

Which must account for his saying he wanted to postpone the Final 
Solution until after the war.



>#   54. Did the Nazis and the Zionists collaborate?
>#        As early as 1933, Hitler's government signed an agreement with
>#        the Zionists permitting Jews to emigrate from Germany to
>#        Palestine, taking large amounts of capital with them.
> 
>And where is this agreement? 
>
>No such option was given to Jews after the break of WW2. 

This collaboration has been thoroughly documented by Jewish authors, in
particular Lenni Brenner, John Rose and the respected historian Jacob Boas.
There is also a book by a Rabbi called THE HOLOCAUST VICTIMS ACCUSE: DOCUMENTATION
ON JEWISH WAR CRIMINALS

         

>         
>#   56. Is the Anne Frank Diary genuine?
>#        No. Evidence compiled by Dr. Robert Faurisson of France
>#        establishes that the famous diary is a literary hoax.
>
>In 1981, the Netherlands State Institute for War Documentation submitted
>Anne Frank's handwritten diaries to the Dutch State Forensic Science
>Laboratory of the Ministry of Justice to determine their authenticity.


True Dan, but the book has been severely edited in several editions,
and the tragedy of this young girl has been ruthlessly exploited for the
basest of motives, mostly by the so-called anti-racist lobby rather 
than by the Zionists.

         
>#   57. What about the familiar photographs and film footage taken in the
>#       liberated German camps showing piles of emaciated corpses? Are
>#       these faked?
>#        Photographs can be faked, but it's far easier merely to add a
>#        misleading caption to a photo or commentary to a piece of
>#        footage. Piles of emaciated corpses do not mean that these
>#        people were "gassed" or deliberately starved to death.
>
>They were indeed starved to death, beat to death, and shot dead.

They also died of typhus, and were not "gassed" as is often implied.

>The death rate at the camps was tremendously high long before the
>end of the war, and before there was any food shortage. 

It was even higher at the front where the "Aryans" were fighting.

>#    Actually, these were tragic victims of raging epidemics or of
>#    starvation due to a lack of food in the camps toward the end of
>#    the war.
> 
>There was plenty of food. See "The Belsen Trial", for instance. In
>Belsen, tens-of-thousands starved to death while there were 800
>tons of food in the stores of the Panzer Training School, 2 miles
>away. Numerous others were just plain murdered:

There is plenty of food in America today yet there are still people 
going hungry. It's never that simple, Dan, there are logistical problems
as well. At the Belsen trial, one defendant - who was acquitted - testified
that he had wanted to bring a lorry load of bread to the camp but had been
refused admission because of the typhus epidemic.


>#   59. Are films such as "Schindler's List" or "The Winds of War"
>#       documentaries?
>#         No. Such films are fictional dramatizations loosely based on
>#         history. Unfortunately, all too many people accept them as
>#         accurate historical representations.

Celluloid trash is a better phrase. Searchlight magazine reviewed
Schindler's List and said it was a powerful reply to the Holocaust
Liars. Perhaps you're preaching to the wrong people, Dan?

>         
>#   60. How many books have been published that refute some aspect of 
>#         the standard "Holocaust" story?
>#         Dozens. More are in production.
> 
>Unfortunately, all these books contain are the same misquotes,
>misinterpretations, and outright lies. 

My book contains a lot of original quotes, and the only lies it repeats
are those of the Holocaust affirmers it refutes. Many other Revisionist 
books do the same; Professor Butz and Judge Staeglich's books are outstanding
examples of scholarship.

>         
>#   61. What happened when the Institute for Historical Review offered
>#       $50,000 to anyone who could prove that Jews were gassed at
>#       Auschwitz?
>#         No proof was submitted as a claim on the reward, 
>
>Proof was submitted, and the IHR (together with a few other
>defendants) was ordered by a court to pay the money. Here's a part of
>the court's summary:


In other words, the court took judicial notice of gassings. Why don't
you tell the rest of the story, Dan?


>#   62. What about the charge that those who question the Holocaust story
>#       are merely anti-Semitic or neo-Nazi?
>#        This is a smear designed to draw attention away from facts
>#        and honest arguments. 
>
>Here are a few examples to what Holocaust-deniers think about
>Hitler, and about Jews. These quotes are preceded by "##":
>

Anyone can quote selectively Dan. Why don't you quote some of the anti-
Nazis who have questioned the holy writ of the Holocaust? Douglas Reed,
J.G. Berg, David Cole or me?

>         
>#   63. What has happened to "revisionist" historians who have challenged
>#         the Holocaust story?
>#         They have been subjected to smear campaigns, loss of academic
>#         positions, loss of pensions, destruction of their property and
>#         physical violence.
> 
>If such things happened, they are regrettable. 

If?


But one has to wonder
>just who is guilty of this alleged violence directed at Holocaust
>deniers. Some of the "leading revisionists" in the US, including
>Willis Carto, have been involved in a fistfight among themselves,

And Carto through acid in Faurisson's face? Was it Carto who burnt
the IHR to the ground? Was it Butz who beat up Ginsberg when he was
visiting his wife's grave? Was it Greg Raven who punched David Cole
in the face?


>#   64. Has the Institute for Historical Review suffered any retaliation
>#         for its efforts to uphold the right of freedom of speech and
>#         academic freedom?
>#         The IHR had been bombed three times, and was completely
>#         destroyed on July 4, 1984, in a criminal arson attack. 
>
 
Don't whisper too loud, Dan, the ADL might hear your condemnation.

>
>          
>#   65. Why is there so little publicity for the revisionist view?
>
>Why is there so little publicity for the "moon landing is a hoax" 
>view?

The usual analogy is with flat earthers, but Dan is wise enough to realise
that it was the flat earthers who denied the likes of Galileo publicity,
and subjected their opponents to an Inquisition. And in the end the flat
earthers lost.

>          
>#   66. Where can I get more information about the "other side" of the
>#         Holocaust story, as well as facts concerning other aspects of
>#         World War II historical revisionism?
>
>Not with Holocaust-deniers. They do not give any information. If
>someone wishes to learn about the Holocaust, he/she should read what
>the people who were there said, and study the existing documentation.

So what did the people who were there say, Dan?

Ella Lingens-Reiner:

Jewish Gestapo agents spread rumours in Auschwitz.

"Once I heard how a little S.S. man, an N.C.O., begged 
one of the Jewish prisoners who worked in the reception office to 
get him a fountain pen; the prisoner told him grumpily to come 
back another day, at the moment he had no time for him."

He was obviously in fear of being gassed.

Kitty Hart: 18,000 bodies were disposed of in every 
24 hour period at Birkenau + 8,000 in the pits!

Filip Mueller: "From time to time SS doctors visited the 
crematorium...Like cattle dealers they felt the thighs and calves 
of men and women who were still alive and selected what they 
called the best pieces before the victims were executed. After 
their execution the chosen bodies were laid on a table. The 
doctors proceeded to cut pieces of still warm flesh from thighs 
and calves and threw them into waiting receptacles. The muscles 
of those who had been shot were still working and contracting, 
making the bucket jump about."


Rudol Vrba: "'Rudi,' she said softly, 'look at me.' Slowly I turned 
and looked at her. She was curled up on the bed now and I do not 
think I have ever seen anyone lovelier."

"'You smell so beautiful,' I whispered, stupidly, aimlessly. 'Why 
do you smell so beautiful?'...
'Soap, darling,' she murmurred. 'Just soap.'"

Yes, he actually carried on a love affair in the mill of death.

Und so weiter and ad nauseum


-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article 
           cendbj@bonaly.hw.ac.uk "David Johnston" writes:

 
> Oh no! It's the "some of my best friends are Jews" argument. Had to come, I 
> suppose - Al is nothing if not completely unoriginal.

A "few" of my best friends are anti-Zionist and non-Zionist Jews. 

-- 
Alexander Baron

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In article <44c36m$ekq@shiva.usa.net> hkatz@earth.usa.net "Harry Katz" writes:

> 
> All the Jews the Nazis could get their hands on were rounded up.  If
> some escaped, it was not due to Nazi generosity.

That's not true, Harry. Check out Reitlinger. 

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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           cacst9+@pitt.edu "Cecelia A Clancy" writes:

> Who are Morodowicz and Rosin

Two of the damned liars who put their names to the War Refugee Board 
Report.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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Ever since I joined this newsgroup people who disagree with me - and only
people who disagree with me, although not all of them - have consistently 
branded me an anti-Semite. Yet not one of them has given one valid reason 
for making this slur on my character, and I find this slur particularly
offensive because I have always defended religious freedom as a committed
Libertarian - I have defended the Jewish religion in particular. Furthermore,
I have never advocated terrorrism against or persecution of Jews, and indeed
have condemned both rigorously in several of my publications.

I hereby challenge all the people who have denounced me, sometimes hysterically
 - except Harry Mazal - to give me one valid reason why a stranger should 
believe the proposition

"Alexander Baron is an anti-Semite"

I repeat: one valid reason. Put up or shut up, boys and girls.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article  kfilan@netcom.com "kevin filan" writes:

> Alexander Baron (A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk) wrote:

>         Is there any evidence you have which proves the impossibility of 
> this.  If not, how can you so definitively assert that Ms. Hart is lying?

Sorry, thought you were Mike Stein. Read my book or E-mail him.

-- 
Alexander Baron

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In article <44hb15$h55@blackice.winternet.com>
           joelr@winternet.com "Joel Rosenberg" writes:
 
> >And I have never condoned anti-Semitism and never will.
> 
> I presume that last is to pull the wool over the eyes of those new to
> the newsgroup; I don't think that big a lie is going to go over even
> with them.

I couldn't give a fuck what you think.

-- 
Alexander Baron

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Subject: Re: WHO FOUND ANNE FRANK 'S DIARY?
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In article <44f20n$2p@curly.cc.emory.edu>
           libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu "william c anderson" writes:
 
> I don't entirely disagree with that.  For a responsible account of the 
> problems with the Fed, try William Greider's _Secrets of the Temple_.

I've read part of that, it's an enormous book, and as I remember it has
very little nice to say about the Fed.

-- 
Alexander Baron

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In article <44huvb$1uq@eldborg.rhi.hi.is>
           elias@rhi.hi.is "Elias Halldor Agustsson" writes:

> It isn't the policeman's to decide.  You have captured in nutshell
> the essence of Nazi ideology.

Oh yes it is. If he doesn't think there is some substance to a claim he won't 
even make an arrest.

-- 
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

 
> The question crazy Al cannot understand or reply to is: why is it
> possible that (as he agrees) the Nazis burned people alive while
> engaged in "standard war-time atrocities", but it is impossible
> (so he claims) that they burned people alive in Birkenau?

I didn't claim it was impossible that people were burned alive in
Birkenau. I claim it is a lie.

-- 
Alexander Baron

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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Put Up Or Shut Up
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In article <44hb6c$gu0@pipe1.nyc.pipeline.com>
           donald05@nyc.pipeline.com "Donald Moffitt" writes:

> Well, I can't prove it, and if I said it, I retract it.  All your posts
> show is that you believe nothing a Jew says about anything unless he wears
> a caftan, 

Not true. Rabbi Perrin doesn't wear a caftan and I believe him when he
says a million Arabs aren't worth a Jewish fingernail. I believe Josh
Klein believes in a) the Holocaust and b) that I am an anti-Semite. 

He is sincere and wrong on both accounts.

and you believe that Jews generally made up the Endloesung 

No, I believe that organised Jews churned out a lot of the propaganda,
but I have also cited the British Psychological Warfare Executive, including
Sefton Delmer.

to
> make some money, and you believe that "Jews are dumb."  You also believe in
> a delusion that a "Jewish conspiracy" 

I have stated repeatedly that I do not believe in the Jewish world conspiracy
although I have also stated that Jews can and do conspire the same as any other
group, eg the IRA (Irish), "Mafia" (Italians); Columbian drug cartels etc.


-- 
Alexander Baron

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In article <44hpuf$lvs@larry.cc.emory.edu>
           libwca@larry.cc.emory.edu "william c anderson" writes:
 
> It's difficult to see how anybody could put forth the thesis that "organized
> Jewry" has engaged in an elaborate, almost miraculous conspiracy to control
> the media of the world for the purpose of inventing a fictional 
> holocaust, and then bridle at being called an antisemite.

I never said Organised Jewry controlled the media, what I have said is that
certain Jewish organisations, by incessant lobbying and using the anti-Semite
smear with gay abandon have intimidated the media into silence. Douglas
Reed said much the same thing in 1951 when he wrote:

"In my judgment the figure of six millions was a grotesque exaggeration which 
an unintimidated press would never have published, save to expose."

Reed was former Central European correspondent for the Times, and a
pathological anti-Nazi.

I think the idea that organised Jewish groups have not attempted to suppress
debate on this subject - except on their own terms - is not tenable except
to the most wilfully blind person in this newsgroup.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: A Partial Refutation Of 66 of Dan Keren's Wilful Distortions
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>
>This is a draft of a reply to the "66 Q&A About the Holocaust" 
>article, published by various Holocaust-deniers. The original 
>material is precedeed by an "#". The questions may slightly 
>differ than those in an earlier version. 

And this is a partial reply to Dan Keren PhD

>I would be grateful
>for any comments, and for informing me of any possible errors

The hell you would.

>#  1. What proof exists that the Nazis killed six million Jews?
>#       None. All we have is postwar testimony, 

No proof. There is a great deal of evidence but there is a vast chasm
between evidence and proof.


>On what grounds do Holocaust-deniers simply dismiss the
>testimony of everyone who was there?

They don't dismiss it all, they say simply that most of it doesn't 
mean what Dan Keren and his ilk claim it means, or in his case, want it
to mean.

>#   This testimony is contradictory, 
>
>Some people differ about how many people were squeezed into a 
>given gas chamber, and how long the gassing took. This hardly
>counts as "contradictory". People are not machines, and they
>are bound to make such mistakes, especially under such conditions.

Some "memoirs" are fakes, for example the admitted fake memoirs of
Martin Gray who was never at Treblinka. Some defy the laws of physics
when it comes to testimony of gassing. Many contain outright lies such as
Kitty Hart's - by now familiar to this newsgroup - story of SS man Wagner
murdering a baby. 


>Quite a few have witnessed gassings. 

And quite a few who claimed they did lied through their teeth, including
Rudolf Vrba, one of the key witnesses, who admitted only under cross-examination
40 years later that he had lied when he claimed he had.

># There are no contemporaneous documents 

There are quite a few; some of them are obviously phony - Staeglich gives
an excellent example in his book - page 44. Others don't mean what Keren
wants them to mean.


>#  2. What evidence exists that six million Jews were not killed by
>#     the Nazis?
>#      Extensive forensic, demographic, analytical and comparative
>#      evidence demonstrates the impossibility of such a figure. 

Statements from the likes of Rudolf Hoess to that effect and much wailing
and gnashing of teeth to the effect that anyone who refuses to accept
this figure uncritically is anti-Semitic.


>#  3. Did Simon Wiesenthal state in writing that "there were no
>#     extermination camps on German soil"?
>#       Yes. The famous "Nazi hunter" wrote this in Stars and Stripes,
>#       Jan. 24, 1993. He also claimed that "gassings" of Jews took
>#       place only in Poland.
> 

Simon Wiesenthal said many things; some of his lies are so brazen that
even Organised Jewry in Britain have given him the bum's rush.


>#   4. If Dachau was in Germany, and even Wiesenthal says that it 
>#      was not an extermination camp, why do many American veterans 
>#      say it was an extermination camp?
>
>It was not an extermination camp in the sense that it wasn't a death
>factory like Treblinka and Auschwitz. Still, great numbers of
>people were murdered in camps like Dachau and Bergen-Belsen; they
>were starved, beat and shot to death. In Bergen-Belsen alone,
>tens-of-thousands have died.

In other words it was not an extermination camp but let's call it one
anyway.

>
>#   After the Allies captured Dachau, many GIs and others were led
>#   through the camp and shown a building alleged to have been a
>#   "gas chamber." The mass media widely, but falsely, continues to
>#   assert that Dachau was a "gassing" camp.
> 
>Dachau had a gas chamber. People were gassed there. Far less than
>in the mass extermination camps such as Treblinka and Auschwitz,
>that is true. A letter from Dr. Rascher to Reichsfuhrer-SS Himmler
>explicitly suggests to gas people in Dachau; see: Nazi Mass Murder: 
>A Documentary History of the Use of Poison Gas, edited by E. Kogon, 
>H. Langbein, and A. Rueckerl, Yale University Press, 1993, chapter 8.

Lies Dan. Not just soldiers but local people were shown a "gas chamber".
Here is what the leading Exterminationist source says:

ENCYCLOPEDIA of the HOLOCAUST 

"...when some witnesses let their imagination run free and incorrectly claim 
that the DACHAU concentration camp had working gas chambers, the revisionists 
pounce on this discrepancy..." [The actual official line is that a gas chamber
was started in 1942 but was never finished due to sabotage and that no one 
was gassed there.]

In 1978, 2 leading South African Zionist Jews published a book which
affirmed the existence of this non-existent gas chamber. They included a
photo, allegedly of some of the gassed. This piece of trash was endorsed
by Lord Shawcross, among others, one of the prosecution team at Nuremberg,
who obviously knew better but like you doesn't care. This book of brazen lies
led to the banning of Holocaust Revisionism in South Africa.

Keep lying Dan, you're a Jew so it doesn't count.
         
>#   5. What about Auschwitz? Is there any proof that gas chambers were
>#      used to kill people there?
>#       No. Auschwitz, captured by the Soviets, was modified after the
>#       war, and a room was reconstructed to look like a large "gas
>#       chamber." 
>
> From the statement of Hans Stark, registrar of new arrivals, Auschwitz:

More drivel deleted.

>#   After America's leading expert on gas chamber
>#   construction and design, Fred Leuchter, 
>
>Ah, Leuchter again. The man who said he's an engineer, but he only
>has a BA in the arts. The man who said he worked for prisons, who
>never heard of him. The man who never built or ran a gas chamber
>(he did build some lethal injection machines, that were defective
>and caused great pain to those being executed). 
>
>The man who wrote a "report" about the Auschwitz gas chambers 
>that even "leading revisionists" admit is worthless.
>
>And this man is a "leading expert on gas chambers".

While it is true that Leuchter has misrepresented himself - including to
leading Revisionists - the veracity of his report, which is not 
definitive, has not been effectively challenged.

Much is made by Exterminationists of the fact that Leuchter was paid by
Zundel - spurious logic: Zundel is a Nazi so it doesn't count. This
overlooks the fact that Leuchter could have made a lot more money by "selling
out". Subsequent researchers have affirmed Leuchter's claims, but for 
the record, the current writer does not believe Revisionism stands or
falls on the Leuchter Report.

>        
>#   7. Who set up the first concentration camps?
>
>Irrelevant.

The British. A concentration camp is simply an open prison. Most people
would rather be in an open prison than a closed one, although most people
would of course rather not be locked up at all.

>
>#   9. Why did the German government intern Jews in camps?
>#      It considered Jews a direct threat to national security. (Jews
>#      were overwhelmingly represented in Communist subversion.)
>
>Just another Nazi canard, which proves again that Holocaust-deniers
>are right in line with WW2 era Nazi propagandists. What did the
>Jews of Poland, France, Holland etc have to do with "Communist
>subversion"?

Not a total canard, there were indeed a lot of Jews involved in the 
communist movement. More important is that at the start of the war
Chaim Weizmann declared that the Jews would fight on the side of the
democracies, and this led to many being interned. They were also conscripted
for "slave labour" rather than being conscripted to die at the front.

Not all Jews were interned, some worked for the Nazis - doctors, for
example - and there was talk of calling up "half Jews" until late in the
war. There were even a number of Jewish spies working for the Gestapo!

>          
>#   10. What hostile measure did world Jewry undertake against Germany as
>#       early as 1933?
>
>When Hitler, who regarded the Jews as vermin that had to
>be exterminated, came to power in 1933, some Jews protested.

Hitler never said anything about Jews being exterminated, certainly not
in 1933. "Individual acts" against Jews were punished by the courts, 
sometimes severely. For example, the Jewish Chronicle reported the following:

February 23, 1934, pages 12-3: $Imprisoned for Threatening a 
Jew$ reports that two nineteen year old artisans were jailed, each 
for a month, for demanding money with menaces from a Jewish merchant.
  August 10, 1934, page 12, a Hamburg court ruled that a Jewish pauper 
was entitled to free legal defence, which begs the question: why was 
he a pauper? On the same page, Nazis were said to have condemned the 
desecration of 54 tombstones which were smashed when a Jewish cemetery 
was vandalised. "Our movement wars only against living people, not 
against the dead, who are at peace", one Nazi publication is said 
to have reported. Three drunkards were later jailed, one for one year, 
one for six months, one for four months. The incident appears not 
to have been political; the culprits were jailed in accordance with 
the guidelines laid down by Hitler himself.
       
>#   11. Did the Jews of the world "declare war on Germany"?
>#        Yes. Newspapers around the world reported this. A front-page
>#        headline in the London Daily Express (March 24, 1933), for
>#        example, announced "Judea Declares War on Germany."
>
>Wasn't this some fascist newspaper, run by Mosley?

No, certainly not! The Daily Express was owned by Lord Beaverbrook. The
Daliy Mail was owned by Lord Rothermere, who supported Oswald Mosley's 
Fascists. But in 1933 so did the Jewish Chronicle! It was only when 
Mosley committed the cardinal sin of publicly criticising what he 
believed to be - rightly or wrongly - Jewish financial pressures that 
were driving Britain to war with Germany that Organised Jewry turned on
him. Like Jesse Jackson and Al "Jews are dumb" Baron Mosley didn't realise
that any criticism of the Chosen Race constitutes vicious anti-Semitism
in their eyes. As in Dan Keren's.

>
>Yes, but it was after numerous antisemitic statements made by the
>Nazis. Hitler began his campaign against the Jews long before 1933.
>So did other Nazis. Hitler, actually, suggested in his book
>"Mein Kampf" to gas Jews. This book was written long before 1933.

A total distortion Dan, but par for the course for you. Hitler had actually
been gassed himself in the First World War. In Mein Kampf he suggested 
that it might have been a good idea to kill off 12,000 Jewish 
"corruptors of the people". While one should condemn this sort of rhetoric,
leftists use it all the time against the "ruling class" and it goes unnoticed.
One should also compare it with the 1927 statement by the Jewish "pacifist"
Kurt Tucholsky:

"May the gas creep into the play-rooms of your children. They should drop
dead slowly, the little dolls..." etc ad nauseum.

Finally it should be pointed out that it is not claimed that "gassings"
originated with Hitler, but that in Auschwitz at least they were evolved
by Hoess in a rather ad hoc manner.

          
>#   13. What nation is credited with being the first to practice mass
>#       civilian bombing?
>#       Britain -- on May 11, 1940.
>

Congratulations Dan, you told an unblemished truth, albeit grudgingly.

>          
>#   14. How many "gas chambers" to kill people were there at Auschwitz?
>#        None.
>
>Testimony of SS-Unterscharfuehrer Pery Broad, describing gassing in
>Krema I in Auschwitz
>[Quoted in "KL Auschwitz as Seen by the SS", p. 176]

Broad quote deleted: Broad was "on the ramp" at Auschwitz. Even the leading
anti-Revisionist Pressac has condemned his testimony as unreliable because
of its "Polish influence". The communists are of course the world's master
liars as well as the curators of the Auschwitz "museum".


>        
>#   16. If the Jews of Europe were not exterminated by the Nazis,
>#       what happened to them?
>#       After the war millions of Jews were still alive in Europe.
>
>Holocaust-deniers have no idea where exactly in Europe these
>Jews were. There is no evidence whatsoever that these millions
>of Jews were around after the war. No one saw them, and there is
>no documentary evidence whatsoever proving they existed.

There were something like 30 million displaced persons in Europe at 
the end of the war. Quite a few of them were Jews.


>         
>#   19. If Auschwitz was not an extermination camp, why did the
>#       commandant, Rudolf Hoess, confess that it was?
>#       He was tortured by British military police, as one of his
>#       interrogators later admitted.
>
>Who admitted this? What about Hoess' testimony in Nuernberg? In
>Poland? What about numerous other testimonies?

Hoess "admitted" it in his Cracow memoirs, dummy. Although these words
were undoubtedly put into his mouth by his communist gaolers they were
also just as undoubtedly genuine. Hoess's affidavit was written in 
English. Although his later "memoirs" contain a claim that he spoke 
English it is extremely unlikely that he had any idea what went into it.
At the Belsen trial, which also covered Auschwitz, the defence - which was
quite vigorous at times - alleged that many affidavits had been mistranslated
or that the witnesses were lying. In reality, both.

>#   20. Is there any evidence of American, British and Soviet policy to
>#       torture German prisoners in order to exact "confessions" for
>#       use at the trials at Nuremberg and elsewhere?
>#        Yes. Torture was extensively used to produce fraudulent
>#        "evidence" for the infamous Nuremberg trials, and in other
>#        postwar "war crimes" trials.
>     
>And the evidence for this claim is...? None, of course. Zero.

Don't be an arsehold Dan, this is a matter of public record. The Van
Roden report has been discussed at length in this group. Streicher was
tortured at Nuremberg; the other defendants were, as Butz says, too
prominent to torture, but there is more than one way to skin a cat just
as there is more than one way to lie.

You're living proof of that.


>Most trials of SS men who served in the death camps were held by
>the German legal system after the war. Did the Germans "torture"
>their countrymen also?

That's a pretty dumb question even for you, Dan? Did the LA police beat
up Rodney King? 

>Here's a very partial list of SS men who testified about the 
>mass murder in the death camps. Can Holocaust-deniers prove that 
>one of them was "tortured"?

The point is not were they tortured Dan, but did they tell the court a)
what really happened or b) what they thought the court wanted to hear?

>Pery Broad                 (Auschwitz-Birkenau)
>Franz Hoessler             (Auschwitz-Birkenau)
>Dr. Fritz Klein            (Auschwitz-Birkenau)
>Dr. Konrad Morgen          (Auschwitz-Birkenau)
>Hans Stark                 (Auschwitz-Birkenau)

Many names deleted

Breitweiser was acquitted. He denied any knowledge that Zyklon B had
been used to kill human beings!

Broad was given 4 years; he obviously did tell the court what it wanted
to hear.

Morgen was an SS judge who had executed the Commandant of Buchenwald for 
corruption. So much for those wicked Nazis. The purpose of his testimony
was to exonerate the SS and the story he told was a pack of lies, in 
particular he placed the Auschwitz extermination facility at Monowitz.

Stark testified that he had executed some 200 people in a gassing who had
been sentenced by a Summary Court; he pleaded superior orders, saying that
Hoess had threatened to gas him too if he refused.

This is a consistent pattern with all this testimony: please sir, it wasn't 
me; please sir, I was under orders; please sir, I had to do it.

Almost the only two important players who admitted taking an active part in
 the "gassings" were Kramer and Hoess. At first, Kramer denied all knowledge;
it may have been that he changed his mind because it came to light that he 
had carried out the murders of a number of prisoners whose skeletons were 
wanted for anatomical purposes. Gruesome as this is, it is not genocide. Hoess's
testimony is full of contradictions, but it may have been that he thought
he was doomed anyway. 

Neither Klein nor Hoessler admitted gassings; at the Belsen trial 
Klein said: "I have heard, and I know, that part of them were sent to the 
gas chambers and the crematoria." ie of those who were unfit for work. 
He said he went to the gas chamber once when it wasn't working but that 
he didn't approve.

Please sir, it wasn't me.

Hoessler testified that "Only doctors could make selections, and selections 
could only be made on orders of higher authorities."

Please sir, it wasn't me. Both Klein and Hoessler were hanged.


>     
>#   21. How does the Holocaust story benefit Jews today?
>#       It helps protect Jews as a group from criticism. As a kind of
>#       secular religion, it provides an emotional bond between Jews
>#       and their leaders. 
>
>Such things can be said about any group that was ever persecuted.
>One can, using such void "arguments", argue that slavery never
>took place. 

What about White Anglo-Saxon males? Come off it Dan, it's a religion and
a big club used to batter the goyim over the head.

>#  It is a powerful tool in Jewish money-raising campaigns, and is
>#  used to justify US aid to Israel.
>   
>The facts of the Holocaust were established before there was a
>country called "Israel", and before the US gave it one cent.

Your "facts" maybe, that doesn't alter the fact that it is still ruthlessly
exploited as the better among the Jews readily admit. That does not include
you it would seem. Many leading Rabbis have condemned the cynical and even
commercial exploitation of this most tragic period of all (not just Jewish)
history.


>#   23. How is it used by many Christian clergymen?
>#        The Holocaust story is cited to justify the Old Testament
>#        notion of Jews as a holy and eternally persecuted "Chosen
>#        People."
>     
>#   24. How did it benefit the Communists?
>#        It diverted attention from Soviet war mongering and atrocities
>#        before, during and after the Second World War.

It is also used by communist groups in the West to promote their perverted
ideology by claiming not to be communist but "anti-racist". Racism, ie white
racial consciousness = gassed Jews. Almost any abrogation of individual rights
can and is justified under this spurious logic.
          
>#   25. How does it benefit Britain?

Anyone who can say these lies have benefited Britain has been paying a little
too much attention to Willis Carto.

>
>#   26. Is there any evidence that Hitler ordered mass extermination of
>#       Jews?
>#         No.
>
>Eichmann said that Hitler, in 1941, ordered Himmler to "physically
>destroy the Jews". Hitler also said the following, in a public 
>speech:

Was that before or after he was tortured by the Mossad, Dan?


Speech by Hitler, January 31, 1939
>[Trials of War Criminals Before the Nuernberg Military Tribunals - 
>Washington, U.S Govt. Print. Off., 1949-1953, Vol XIII, p. 131]
>---------------------------------------------------------------
> Today I will once more be a prophet: If the international Jewish 
>financiers in and outside Europe should succeed in plunging the 
>nations once more into a world war, then the result will not be 
>the bolshevization of the earth, and thus the victory of Jewry, 
>but the annihilation of the Jewish race in Europe!
>
>

No Dan, the quote doesn't end here as you know; I've already refuted this
lie in the newsgroup. For the full quote, readers are referred to the book
by Judge Staeglich.

"The first law for the historian is that he shall never dare utter an untruth. 
The second is that he suppress nothing that is true." Cicero


          
>#   27. What kind of gas was used in German wartime concentration camps?
>#        Hydrocyanic gas from "Zyklon B," a commercial pesticide that
>#        was widely used throughout Europe.
> 
>This gas is cyanide gas, just like the gas used to this day in US 
>execution gas chambers. It is no coincidence the SS used it to
>murder huge numbers of people.


Coincidence is not the word, Dan. 
>         
>
>#   28. For what purpose was "Zyklon B" manufactured?
>#        It was a pesticide used to fumigate clothing and quarters to
>#        kill typhus-bearing lice and other pests.
>  
>It obviously proved useful for other purposes as well.
>

Zyklon B was used by the German military since 1924



-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <44fqqo$crm@shiva.usa.net> hkatz@earth.usa.net "Harry Katz" writes:

 
> Who died and left Mr. Baron the spokesman for "most reasonable people?"
> Mr. Baron supposes that "most reasonable people" believe Hitler was not
> an anti-Semite!  I suspect most reasonable people would find Mr.
> Baron's definition of anti-Semitism to be non-existent.

Harry, I'll be patient with you because I don't tar you with the same 
brush as Dan Keren. I never said Hitler was not an anti-Semite, I stated,
correctly, that his first reaction to anti-Semitism was one of revulsion.
I did say, and do believe, that he was nowhere near as obsessively anti-Semitic
as Julius Streicher, as even the Jewish Chronicle agreed before the outbreak
of World War II. I do admit though that is not much of a compliment.

>         Unfortunately their incessant whining and wailing has managed to
>         brainwash the greater part of humanity.
> 
> In other words, the "greater part of humanity" does not include "most
> reasonable people" as the latter are not "brainwashed!"  Apparently,
> Mr. Baaron's contempt for Jews is matched only by his contempt for the
> rest of humanity as well.  I suspect that by the phrase, "most
> reasonable people," Mr. Baron meant only himself and those few friends
> who agree with him one hundred per cent.

I have read statements attributed to Jewish spokesmen - including in the
Jewish press - that up to one American in 5, one of 3 or even one in 2 is
anti-Semitic to some degree. However little you think of me I think you
must also agree that this is a disgraceful thing for anyone to say, and 
an insult to your fellow citizens.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <44hcvu$bns@access5.digex.net>
           mstein@access5.digex.net "Michael P. Stein" writes:

> >       We have seen that the first extermination claims were
> >       not based on one scrap of intelligence data.
> 
>     Although Butz could not have been expected to know this at the time he
> wrote, all three claims quoted above are now known to be false.  Check out
> "Breaking the Silence" by Richard Breitman and Walter Laqueur.  Quite
> early on - it may even be prior to the start of construction of the
> Kremas; as I just moved house my copy of the book is still buried in a
> stack of boxes so I cannot check - German industrialist and Allied spy
> Eduard Schulte learned of the plans to turn Auschwitz into an
> extermination center and traveled to Switzerland to carry the news out. 

The first "extermination" claims were actually made by the Jewish Chronicle
in 1933!

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <44f1l4$ngq@amhux3.amherst.edu>
           jaklein@news.amherst.edu "Josh Klein" writes:

 
> Actually, Al, I seem to remember that, in the material you gave me,
> Anglo-Hebrew publishing explicitly apologizes for their editing and
> spelling errors, and mentions that these problems are due to their
> inadequate resources for careful copy-editing, etc...

A standard disclaimer, ie any errors are ours. What's wrong with that?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <44huqs$9oe@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:

  
> The point I was addressing was not whether you excuse the Nazis for
> mass murder--which you do--but that you also excused them for
> persecuting Jews under the anti-Jewish laws. If you have changed your
> mind on this and now agree that the anti-Jewish laws caused tremendous
> hardships for Jews, good.

Please tell me when and where I have ever excused the persecution of any
minority. Except homosexuals.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <44dcfi$sge@nimitz.fibr.net>
           Harry W. Mazal OBE "hmazal@txdirect.net, San Antonio, Texas" writes:

  There is only one lawsuit
> pending and 'sub judice.'  Mr. Baron will lose it too. 

Wrong again, Harry, there is not only one suit pending.

Now don't address me again until you have answered my question about 
Suzman and Diamond, Harry frightened old man and Jewish apologist Mazal.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <44i3fj$9oe@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:
 
> And you know that they are liars because. . . ?

Because I've read the War Refugee Board Report, that's how.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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> As far as your "challenge" goes. Didn`t you call someone Jewboy ?


I also called Sarah a dumb broad. If you claim that my using the phrase
Jew boy means I hate Jews you must also conclude that I hate women. Anyone
who knows me will tell you that is not true.

Last week when I referred to one of my neighbours as an old c*** you might 
have claimed that I hate elderly people. A ridiculous claim.

A while ago when I called some schoolkids noisy brats you might by the 
same token have accused me of hating schoolboys. Again, this is not true.
By the same token, I don't see anything wrong with slagging off a Jew now
and then. And for the record I have made not a few impolite comments about
the Germans in my time. In particular I think they are an arrogant race.


> May we call you Church of E Boy 

If you like, but I am a lifelong atheist.


> The system of slave labour was also a mayor aspect of the "Reich" and is
> very well documented.

I have never denied that the Nazis used "forced" labour. By the same token
the Nazis - and the Allies - put men in uniform, often against their will,
and sent them off to kill strangers. If you had a choice would you rather
a) fight at the front and kill people with a chance that you would be killed
youself or b) go to a concentration camp? It's not much of a choice, but
neither is war.


> As a historian 

I'm not a historian and have never claimed to be one.

> Getting back to you as a person,you put aside Mass Killings in the  
> Baltics,Ukraine and Poland as mere Wartime Atrocities.

As these atrocities happened during a war I think this a reasonable thing
to say. By the same token you could also refer to Hiroshima as a "mere"
wartime atrocity.

> How insensitive can one get ?

I didn't challenge you to prove me insensitive, I challenged you to prove me
anti-Jewish.

> Sorry Mr.Baron you have lost.

You have proved nothing.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: PICTURE FILE: SS-Women in Belsen

This is a photograph of some of the SS-women who
served in the Belsen camp. One can decide for 
himself if they appear "emaciated" or "tortured".

One can compare their appearance to the sight
of the tens-of-thousands of emaciated corpses
of the inmates in the camp. It may be a good
lesson to our revisionazis.


Re the above: you really are one prize arsehole, Dan. This photo appears
in Professor Butz's book. I have seen the original at the Imperial War Museum.
If I recall, it was taken on the day of or a day or two after the liberation.
It's very clever, it reminds me a bit of the Nazi propaganda film THE ETERNAL
JEW which used selected scenes of unpleasant looking Jews interspersed with 
rats.

I've just finished reading the autobiography of Albert Pierrepoint, the 
world famous hangman. He hanged Kramer, and probably most of this lot too.
He remarks in his book that Kramer, who was a big bull of a man, was portrayed
in the propaganda of the time as literally the Beast of Belsen, as a shambling
gorilla. No doubt he was also guyed so by some hate-filled little Jew in
the Hollywood film crew who took the photos of Dachau, including of the "gas
chamber".

Of course, this was to be expected at the time, but you are not blinded by
propaganda Dan, only by your own hatred, and like the people I am in litigation
with, you have long since become everything you claim to despise, in particular
a smouldering cauldron of hatred for the society you hold responsible for the
historic persecution of your race.

I know you'll never believe I'm not an anti-Semite Dan, no matter what I say,
nothing will convince you of that. The plain truth though is that I don't hate
you, I pity you. 


Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <44i1cs$9oe@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:

 
> But why is it worthless as an historical document? Please do give us
> your detailed assesment. How does it relate to there similar stories
> of atrocities carried out at Auschwitz? How does it relate to the mass
> of testimonies, documents, and physical evidence about Auschwitz?

I can't find my copy at the moment but if I recall he mentioned something
about gassings in Belsen. People who write drivel like that don't carry
much weight as scholars.
 
> >Our government recently spent 13 million pounds of National Lottery money
> >on acquiring the library of Winston Churchill when there are people sleeping 
> >homeless on the streets of London. It's not only the Nazis who had 
> >false priorities and who make people's stomachs turn.
> 
> Oh. That makes it alright then, does it? By the same token, I suppose
> that any further French nuclear tests will excuse the National
> Lottery's expenditure. And if the Iraqis slaughter some more Kurds, or
> vice versa, the French will be excused. It is good to know that one's
> sins can be expiated by the sins of others. I'll be sure to remind the
> judge of that if I get a speeding ticket.

No it doesn't excuse any of it, what I'm challenging is the assumed uniqueness
of Nazi - or in many instances - German - evil. This line of argument really
is naive.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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In article <44i1uk$9oe@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:

> haplo@idirect.com (HAPLO) wrote:
> 
> 
> >>No authoritative source has ever claimed that 4,000,000 Jews perished
> >>at Auschwitz.  That number was put on a plaque at the Auschwitz Museum
> >>by the former Communist government of Poland.  It has since been
> 
> >   This is an Out-right Lie. There has been many Jewish historians that 
> >have claimed the 4 million figure. Just look at the encyclopedic 
> >dictionary of judaica. They claim the 4 million figure. So your 
> >statement is a lie. Will you retract it??????

There have also been survivors who claimed it, including highly educated
people.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon


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           karlpov@access5.digex.net "Charles R.L. Power" writes:

 
> So scared of Harry Mazal. Pathetic.

No, he has slandered me gratuitously, accused me of sending him forged 
documents, has not had the decency to retract, even when Mike Stein pointed
out he was in error. He has also refused to admit,  in the face of 
irrefutable evidence, that 2 South African Zionists lied through their teeth
about "gassed" victims in Dachau. There are minds in this newsgroup far
superior to Harry Mazal who can take up my challenge. Bring them on.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." - Napoleon



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