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From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Mon Aug  7 20:47:49 PDT 1995
Article: 30226 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Faurisson and Baron: the Blind Leading the Blind (Re: More
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In article <3vmmov$d16@access2.digex.net>
           mstein@access2.digex.net "Michael P. Stein" writes:
>     You're right, Al; whoever wrote the above is a prize idiot.  But it
> wasn't me.  We've had two McCarthys posting here; I guess there's another
> Stein now, and as soon as his article with the above fallacy shows up here
> I'll give _that_ Stein what for, don't you worry! 


Hmm, someone posted that and I was certain it was you. At least though you've
got the balls to argue, even if you're wrong.
 
>     But as I've mentioned, Walendy couldn't even get the pit burning photo
> from the Polish book to reproduce accurately in his own book.  Ho, ho, ho,
> must be a touch-up!  So have I proved fraud on Walendy's part - two
> versions, something's fishy, right?  By Walendy's method of argument, it
> would seem so.

According to Pressac this has been touched up; as I've studied various 
versions of it side by side I agree with that.
> 
> 
> >and that didn't include Guy Fawkes would be a questionable
> >history indeed. That would be akin to a political history of 60s America 
> >excluding the Kennedy assassination.
> 
>     Questionable analogy on your part.  Fawkes failed; Oswald [or whoever
> else you think pulled the trigger] didn't.  Better analogy: a political
> history of post-WWII America which omitted mention of Squeaky Fromme's
> attempt on the life of Gerald Ford. 

Oswald pulled the trigger, no doubt about that.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Mon Aug  7 20:48:42 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: A DAY AT AUSCHWITZ WITH DR
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> Of course it has been possible. One needed to say "we
> didn't gas anyone". Now that's easy.

I've been trying for the last six weeks to get Harry Mazal to say:
"Suzman and Diamond lied through their teeth". I haven't had much luck
yet. Some things just are not easy to say, are they Dr Keren? Like your
quoting Hitler out of context for another thing.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Mon Aug  7 20:48:46 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: The Dachau Gas Chamber
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> According to the "Institute for Contemporary History" in
> Munich, gassings did take place there. And there's the 
> Rascher-Himmler letter which explicitly discusses gassing 
> in Dachau. I recall Reitlinger also states that gassings took
> place in Dachau, on a relatively small scale, but I don't
> have the book here to verify this.

Well, I suggest you take this up with Professor Lipstadt because she
says there were no gassings in Dachau either.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Mon Aug  7 20:48:51 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Baron Caught Lying - Again (was Re: e: Faurisson and Bar
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:
> # I have to make a slight correction.
> 
> He-he... you just have to love this bloody lying bastard. "A
> slight correction"... what a schmuck this Baron is.

No Dr Keren, when I make a mistake I correct it. Unlike the Americans at 
Dachau. I was getting a bit confused because I was working between two
books, Staeglich and a book by an Exterminationist author, Ronnie Landau.

This point has been made many times in this group but you want it both ways:
you want the extermination programme to be secret and at the same time to adduce
at proof of the programme alleged genocidal pronouncements by the Nazi leaders.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Roberts is as Senile as Baron (Re: Suchomel Remembers Treblinka) 
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> Roberts, you bloody imbecile - I've already posted that I
> made a mistake in typing down the name


You make mistakes, Jeff and I lie. Very good.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Mon Aug  7 20:49:25 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: A DAY AT AUSCHWITZ WITH DR
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:
> You admitted yourself that you made a mistake and that
> my quote of Hitler was very much in context. He said in
> his 1939 speech that the result of the war will be the
> "extermination of the European Jews". What is "out of
> context" here? 

Because this was rhetoric - like the Mother of all Wars - although in that
case it was wishful thinking, and the United States that led a supreme act
of evil and genocide.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Mon Aug  7 20:49:30 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Roberts is as Senile as Baron (Re: Suchomel Remembers Treblinka) 
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> I did make a mistake because I was typing down Suchomel's
> interview from the video, and I misheard "Belzec" as "Wolzec".
> 
> There was obviously no reason for me to falsely substitute
> "Wolzec" instead of "Belzec". More so since the movie is
> in wide circulation and there's a book with its text.

Dr Keren, I was making the point that your explanation is accepted. Even
if mine isn't.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Mon Aug  7 20:49:36 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: A DAY AT AUSCHWITZ WITH DR
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In article <400beg$hdq@gwdu19.gwdg.de>
> What does it say? Care to reproduce the quote? 

Pages 187-8, Second Edition.


> I thought, you claimed intimate knowledge of this book.

I read the Second Edition more or less cover to cover about 3 years ago. I
do a tremendous amount of research in various fields and it's difficult to
keep track of everything. I'm working on a couple of publications at the moment,
one that will please our friend Dr Keren, and another that will infuriate him.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Mon Aug  7 20:50:48 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Baron Gives Page Reference!!! (was: Believe us anyway. Or else we'll call you anti-Semitic)
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In article <40106j$fk0@nimitz.fibr.net>

> Mr. Baron claims that  this picture was used by the authors of _Six Million Did
>  Die_  as 'proof' of 

No, Mr Baron claims that this picture of Dr Klein amongst the cadavers at
Belsen is used as "proof" that the Germans exterminated Jews in gas chambers.
Such examples are not hard to find. There were no "exterminations" at Belsen;
ordinary war time brutalities in the final months, but no exterminations.

> the Dachau gassings. When confronted with the fact that one of the books
>  employed as part of the 
> bibliography for the book was precisely _The Belsen Case_ Mr. Baron
>  down-shifted.  Mr. Baron 
> also employs some unidentified and un-numbered pages of a book that he claims
>  to be the second 
> edition of this book to further his fantasies.


Harry, for the Nth time, go and look the damned book up. Send a fax to the
South African Jewish Board of Deputies and get them to fax you the page numbers.
Mrs S Tuback
Librarian
Fax (27) (011)646-4940

The above info was valid in June 1994.

Don't keep insinuating that I sent you fake photocopies, check them out.
I suspect that even some of your chums in this newsgroup are growing tired
of your innuendo.


> He doesn't, of course, admit the existence of a gas chamber at Dachau. Whether
>  it was ever used or 
> not can be the subject of a new header as soon as Mr. Baron either accepts the
>  existence of the gas

The  Encyclopedia of the Holocaust - under Denial, Volume 2 - says that
when "eyewitnesses" report gassings at Dachau mistakenly, the Revisionists
pounce on this discrepancy. Lipstadt too says there were no gassings in
Dachau. Don't argue with me, Harry. Argue with them.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Mon Aug  7 20:50:53 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> Alexander Baron   wrote:
> 
> # No Dr Keren, I said the most notorious war criminal of the
> # Nazi era. By any reckoning this has to be Yitzhak Shamir. 
> 
> Ah, gee, you "trapped" me again, eh Baron?
> 
> Even if this made any sense, what, by Hitler's
> lonely testicle, does it have to do with "revisionism"?

It means that he should have been tried for war crimes rather than the
totally innocent John Demjanjuk. Isn't that worth revising?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Mon Aug  7 20:51:00 PDT 1995
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In article <401dr2$fr8@access2.digex.net>
           mstein@access2.digex.net "Michael P. Stein" writes:
>     I notice you just quietly dropped the biggest point, Franz Suchomel 
> speaking candidly to Lanzmann outside of any trial.
> 
>     What did the nasty Zionists do to Suchomel to force him to go along 
> with that?
> 
>     Are you having trouble answering questions, about Suchomel, Al?  Well,
> don't feel bad, you're not the first revisionist who couldn't figure out 
> how to explain away Suchomel's talking to Lanzmann.

Mike I do try to answer every point, but you can be prolix. I am not 
familiar with this fellow, but if you refer to our private mail - the 
extract from the Dianne Core book - you will, I am sure you'll agree,
conclude that not every confession is worth  the paper it's printed on.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article <401e5g$g79@access2.digex.net>
           mstein@access2.digex.net "Michael P. Stein" writes:
>     I think some things are not easy to get.  You keep referring to the
> "second edition," but I can only find the first.  And Harry Mazal had
> trouble getting your page references to match up.  If there's some way 
> you could work with the first edition instead of the second you might 
> have more luck discussing it.

I keep telling this guy that I have never seen the first edition but 
it doesn't sink in. Because he's not interested.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Baron's e-mail to Alan Finkelstein
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> So, Baron, you obviously don't deny that you did send
> that e-mail to Alan Finkelstein, as you don't deny the
> text attributed to you and you try to defend it? Yes?

I stand by every word, although I'm not sure the guy's name was Finkelstein,
I thought it was Joel something.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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In article <401n7e$o22@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:

> Alexander Baron  wrote:
> 
> Central to Butz' thesis is the idea that the Jews were capable not
> only of forging the thousands of documents necessary to perpetrate the
> "hoax," not only capable of planting these documents where the Allied
> prosecutors could find them, but also of suborning all of the Allied
> governments to their trickery. That, as I am sure you will agree, is
> preposterous. But the all-powerful Jewish conspiracy is the oldest
> antisemitic canard in the book.

No, what you're saying is that at the turn of the century the Tsarist police
cooked up a document called the Protocols of Zion which claimed that the Jews
were plotting to take over the world, therefore no Jewish organisation or
any organised group of Jews is capable of pulling the wool over anybody's
eyes. That is incredibly naive.

Butz claims that the World Jewish Congress and others fabricated a report -
which even Pressac admits is largely inaccurate - and that the Allies and
the Russians fitted the Germans up for all manner of crimes after the war.
Gas chambers or not, that is exactly what happened. The dirty trick of 
semantics you and your kind invariably employ is to insinuate that an attack
on Organised Jewry or any arm of it is an attack on the Jewish people as a 
whole, including your local rabbi. By the same token any attack on the Mafia
is an attack on all Italians, on the IRA on all the Irish and so forth. Yours
is the most perfidious argument because it is the one which the great 
mass of people swallow.
 
I'll draw another parallel with the Protocols. Leon Poliakov points out
in THE HISTORY OF ANTI-SEMITISM that the Protocols and other Jewish conspiracy
literature was flooded onto the world from the backrooms of Rostov on Don.
It is an acknowledged fact that the Tsarist regime and the Nazis spent
enormous sums of money on anti-Semitic propaganda. It is a fact too well
documented to reference here that all governments and indeed many non-
governmental agencies - the anti-porn movement for example - spend millions
or billions of dollars every year promulgating propaganda, often disinformation
and outright lies - to discredit people they hate or are otherwise hostile to.

What you are saying Mr (Dr?) Morris is that Organised Jewry alone has never
done this, would never do it, is incapable of doing it, and any suggestion to
the contrary is anti-Semitic propapanda. If you believe this you shouldn't
be at university you should be in kindergarten. The world is full of the most
brazen liars, and the prosaic and often ugly fact is that the Jews have more
than their fare share.

> No, Al, "Jew boy" is never used a term of endearment by "street Jews."
> This is probably the second most stupid thing you have ever written.

Recently I referred to a Jew as a Yid. The person I was with said I had
made an anti-Semitic remark. I pointed out that Yid is the Yiddish word
for Jew.
 
> Just one thing, could we please not hear your plaintive little bleats
> about your pure motives anymore?

You should examine your own motives before you question mine. If you read
Mein Kampf you will see that Hitler was not always an anti-Semite. If you
read his testament you will find that at the time the Allies were churning
out anti-Japanese propaganda about the Yellow Peril, Hitler was proclaiming 
his friendship for the Japanese and praising the Chinese as the builders
of a superior civilisation. If you are so anxious to condemn Hitler he committed
plenty of real crimes you can indict him for. There is no need to invent
imaginary ones, like the "crime" of racism which your own "democratic"
government enshrined in law with segregation and anti-miscegenation laws.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


From bewise@pixi.com Mon Aug  7 20:54:07 PDT 1995
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From: Gabriel 
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Subject: New Web Site!
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"ALoha" From the Pacific!!

    Just a quick note to let you know that we 
have a new Web Site up with info on the "Holocaust" 
and it also exposes Talmudic/Judaism/"Judeo-Christianity"
in microcosm.  Please check it out at:  

          http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/


    P.S. We are new at all of this but are 
familiar with BBS as we have had a BBS for some
time now. We are not sure if just where this is 
going or who will read it "friend or foe" (grin)

    Please let us know if we are "getting anywhere"...

THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!  


Aloha Nui Loa!!  

===========================================BeWISE====================



From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Tue Aug  8 08:13:25 PDT 1995
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In article <3vm3h2$ie5@gwdu19.gwdg.de>
           uroessl1@gwdg.de "Roessler  Ulrich" writes:

> 1) that the original including the negatives of these so called
> 'Polish Resistance pictures' are available and can be checked.
> [ibid. photo 17]

How do you know these are the originals?
 
> 2) Only a version presented at the exhibition in Auschwitz was
>    a) cut out
>    b) and apparently retouched.
> From those facts, an educated guess leads to the conclusion, who
> has done this, i.e. the staff of the museum there.
> It may be unfortunate, that exhibitions often simplify or vulgarize
> purposely or because of pedaguogic reasons. In my opinion, one cannot
> infer an intention of deception from that, as the scene can be identified 
> as taking place near Krematorium V, as Pressac demonstrates using 
> the originals. 

They doctored a photograph therefore there was no deception. Typical
Exterminationist logic. Would you have been half so charitable if Robert
Faurisson had doctored this photograph?

> 3) When Pressac prepared his book, their still lived one witness, 
> David Smulewski, testifiying the origin of these photographs 
> and the circumstances which allowed some 'Sonderkommando'-members 
> to take them. Smulewskit lived in 1987 in France and was interviewed 
> by Pressac [ibid p.424].

Originally, Smzulewski was credited with taking the photograph. According
to Pressac he didn't actually take it, someone else did. Smzulewski was 
part of a team sent to repair the roof of the gas chamber [sic] which had
been damaged with the deliberate intention of having this repair team sent in.

Right, let's put this altogether. The Jewish underground decided to get 
"proof" to the outside world that Jews were being gassed in Auschwitz. So they
arranged for the gas chamber roof to be damaged knowing full well that they
would be able to send in a Jewish workman to take a photo of it, or something
akin. This workman just happened to have the run of the camp. He turns up,
passes his camera to someone else - unnamed - who doesn't take a photo
of the gas chamber [sic] but of bodies being burned in open pits and a group
of women. The women are actually old women, but some sicko paints them (touches
them up!) to make them look young and nubile. This photo was taken in August
1944 but - as far as I can make out - didn't surface until 1945. After the 
war?

There are no frames of reference, no proof that anyone was murdered, the negative,
is available, we are told, but we have no proof that it is genuine. Walendy
and company claim this photo is a fake and are denounced as anti-Semites. Forty
+ years afterwards it is finally admitted that it is a fake - sorry, has been
doctored. Again, no point of reference, no identifiable people, no proof that
the women were murdered, or that the photo was not staged. And what do we
deduce from all this? Baron's task to lend credibility to "Revisionism" 
has become harder again.

Ie, Baron's credibility has been diminished. Oh boy.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Tue Aug  8 21:08:06 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Baron Gives Page Reference!!! (was: Believe us anyway. Or else we'll call you anti-Semitic)
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In article <40106j$fk0@nimitz.fibr.net>

> Mr. Baron claims that  this picture was used by the authors of _Six Million Did
>  Die_  as 'proof' of 

No, Mr Baron claims that this picture of Dr Klein amongst the cadavers at
Belsen is used as "proof" that the Germans exterminated Jews in gas chambers.
Such examples are not hard to find. There were no "exterminations" at Belsen;
ordinary war time brutalities in the final months, but no exterminations.

> the Dachau gassings. When confronted with the fact that one of the books
>  employed as part of the 
> bibliography for the book was precisely _The Belsen Case_ Mr. Baron
>  down-shifted.  Mr. Baron 
> also employs some unidentified and un-numbered pages of a book that he claims
>  to be the second 
> edition of this book to further his fantasies.


Harry, for the Nth time, go and look the damned book up. Send a fax to the
South African Jewish Board of Deputies and get them to fax you the page numbers.
Mrs S Tuback
Librarian
Fax (27) (011)646-4940

The above info was valid in June 1994.

Don't keep insinuating that I sent you fake photocopies, check them out.
I suspect that even some of your chums in this newsgroup are growing tired
of your innuendo.


> He doesn't, of course, admit the existence of a gas chamber at Dachau. Whether
>  it was ever used or 
> not can be the subject of a new header as soon as Mr. Baron either accepts the
>  existence of the gas

The  Encyclopedia of the Holocaust - under Denial, Volume 2 - says that
when "eyewitnesses" report gassings at Dachau mistakenly, the Revisionists
pounce on this discrepancy. Lipstadt too says there were no gassings in
Dachau. Don't argue with me, Harry. Argue with them.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Tue Aug  8 21:08:10 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Baron's e-mail to Alan Finkelstein
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> So, Baron, you obviously don't deny that you did send
> that e-mail to Alan Finkelstein, as you don't deny the
> text attributed to you and you try to defend it? Yes?

I stand by every word, although I'm not sure the guy's name was Finkelstein,
I thought it was Joel something.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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In article <401n7e$o22@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:

> Alexander Baron  wrote:
> 
> Central to Butz' thesis is the idea that the Jews were capable not
> only of forging the thousands of documents necessary to perpetrate the
> "hoax," not only capable of planting these documents where the Allied
> prosecutors could find them, but also of suborning all of the Allied
> governments to their trickery. That, as I am sure you will agree, is
> preposterous. But the all-powerful Jewish conspiracy is the oldest
> antisemitic canard in the book.

No, what you're saying is that at the turn of the century the Tsarist police
cooked up a document called the Protocols of Zion which claimed that the Jews
were plotting to take over the world, therefore no Jewish organisation or
any organised group of Jews is capable of pulling the wool over anybody's
eyes. That is incredibly naive.

Butz claims that the World Jewish Congress and others fabricated a report -
which even Pressac admits is largely inaccurate - and that the Allies and
the Russians fitted the Germans up for all manner of crimes after the war.
Gas chambers or not, that is exactly what happened. The dirty trick of 
semantics you and your kind invariably employ is to insinuate that an attack
on Organised Jewry or any arm of it is an attack on the Jewish people as a 
whole, including your local rabbi. By the same token any attack on the Mafia
is an attack on all Italians, on the IRA on all the Irish and so forth. Yours
is the most perfidious argument because it is the one which the great 
mass of people swallow.
 
I'll draw another parallel with the Protocols. Leon Poliakov points out
in THE HISTORY OF ANTI-SEMITISM that the Protocols and other Jewish conspiracy
literature was flooded onto the world from the backrooms of Rostov on Don.
It is an acknowledged fact that the Tsarist regime and the Nazis spent
enormous sums of money on anti-Semitic propaganda. It is a fact too well
documented to reference here that all governments and indeed many non-
governmental agencies - the anti-porn movement for example - spend millions
or billions of dollars every year promulgating propaganda, often disinformation
and outright lies - to discredit people they hate or are otherwise hostile to.

What you are saying Mr (Dr?) Morris is that Organised Jewry alone has never
done this, would never do it, is incapable of doing it, and any suggestion to
the contrary is anti-Semitic propapanda. If you believe this you shouldn't
be at university you should be in kindergarten. The world is full of the most
brazen liars, and the prosaic and often ugly fact is that the Jews have more
than their fare share.

> No, Al, "Jew boy" is never used a term of endearment by "street Jews."
> This is probably the second most stupid thing you have ever written.

Recently I referred to a Jew as a Yid. The person I was with said I had
made an anti-Semitic remark. I pointed out that Yid is the Yiddish word
for Jew.
 
> Just one thing, could we please not hear your plaintive little bleats
> about your pure motives anymore?

You should examine your own motives before you question mine. If you read
Mein Kampf you will see that Hitler was not always an anti-Semite. If you
read his testament you will find that at the time the Allies were churning
out anti-Japanese propaganda about the Yellow Peril, Hitler was proclaiming 
his friendship for the Japanese and praising the Chinese as the builders
of a superior civilisation. If you are so anxious to condemn Hitler he committed
plenty of real crimes you can indict him for. There is no need to invent
imaginary ones, like the "crime" of racism which your own "democratic"
government enshrined in law with segregation and anti-miscegenation laws.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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In article <3vm3h2$ie5@gwdu19.gwdg.de>
           uroessl1@gwdg.de "Roessler  Ulrich" writes:

> 1) that the original including the negatives of these so called
> 'Polish Resistance pictures' are available and can be checked.
> [ibid. photo 17]

How do you know these are the originals?
 
> 2) Only a version presented at the exhibition in Auschwitz was
>    a) cut out
>    b) and apparently retouched.
> From those facts, an educated guess leads to the conclusion, who
> has done this, i.e. the staff of the museum there.
> It may be unfortunate, that exhibitions often simplify or vulgarize
> purposely or because of pedaguogic reasons. In my opinion, one cannot
> infer an intention of deception from that, as the scene can be identified 
> as taking place near Krematorium V, as Pressac demonstrates using 
> the originals. 

They doctored a photograph therefore there was no deception. Typical
Exterminationist logic. Would you have been half so charitable if Robert
Faurisson had doctored this photograph?

> 3) When Pressac prepared his book, their still lived one witness, 
> David Smulewski, testifiying the origin of these photographs 
> and the circumstances which allowed some 'Sonderkommando'-members 
> to take them. Smulewskit lived in 1987 in France and was interviewed 
> by Pressac [ibid p.424].

Originally, Smzulewski was credited with taking the photograph. According
to Pressac he didn't actually take it, someone else did. Smzulewski was 
part of a team sent to repair the roof of the gas chamber [sic] which had
been damaged with the deliberate intention of having this repair team sent in.

Right, let's put this altogether. The Jewish underground decided to get 
"proof" to the outside world that Jews were being gassed in Auschwitz. So they
arranged for the gas chamber roof to be damaged knowing full well that they
would be able to send in a Jewish workman to take a photo of it, or something
akin. This workman just happened to have the run of the camp. He turns up,
passes his camera to someone else - unnamed - who doesn't take a photo
of the gas chamber [sic] but of bodies being burned in open pits and a group
of women. The women are actually old women, but some sicko paints them (touches
them up!) to make them look young and nubile. This photo was taken in August
1944 but - as far as I can make out - didn't surface until 1945. After the 
war?

There are no frames of reference, no proof that anyone was murdered, the negative,
is available, we are told, but we have no proof that it is genuine. Walendy
and company claim this photo is a fake and are denounced as anti-Semites. Forty
+ years afterwards it is finally admitted that it is a fake - sorry, has been
doctored. Again, no point of reference, no identifiable people, no proof that
the women were murdered, or that the photo was not staged. And what do we
deduce from all this? Baron's task to lend credibility to "Revisionism" 
has become harder again.

Ie, Baron's credibility has been diminished. Oh boy.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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In article <403tua$3l7@dns.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:
 
>      If you are referring to Rep. Paul Finlay of Illinois, I think you are dead
>  wrong.  I have
> considered him an anti-semite from the day he called the Director of the
>  Department of
> Registration and Education of the State of Illinois and demanded to know why
>  "Some
> damned Jew was fucking with one of his constituents."

I don't believe Findlay ever said such a thing. This sounds like ADL or some
other hatemongers' black propaganda.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Tue Aug  8 21:11:18 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: A DAY AT AUSCHWITZ WITH DR
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In article 
           cendbj@bonaly.hw.ac.uk "David Johnston" writes:

> This is the sort of thing that the revisionists always post in response to a 
> request for proof. It's the Jooos, it's the Jooos, they control everything, 
> they stop us telling the truth, it's the Jooos, we've know what really 
> happened, but the Jooos, they're so powerful. On and bloody on. I asked for 
> *proof*, Al. What you posted is not proof, it is paranoia.

This is a total distortion of what I said. I have said that the Zionist lobby/
Organised Jewry are extremely powerful and totally ruthless. They don't control
everything, they certainly don't control me.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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In article 
           schwartz@infinet.com "Sara aka Perrrfect" writes:
> Mr. Baron... hello?
>  
> Please forgive an innocent question, since I'm obviously unable to follow
> your advanced (and rather unique) form of logic.
>  
> I was unaware that the word anti-Semite referred to those of Oriental
> extraction.
>  
> Your claim that Hitler was not an anti-Semite because he was proclaiming
> friendship for Japanese and Chinese peoples seems to these tired eyes to
> be a remarkable non sequiter.

Read what I said, you dumb broad. I said Hitler was not always an anti-Semite.
And I said he was never anti-Chinese or anti-Japanese.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> I don't think anyone should have any further doubts
> as to just what kind of a person Al Baron is.

One who is not prepared to kiss the arse of Organised Jewry for fear
of being branded anti-Semitic.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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In article <403ise$rh6@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:
> Butz argues for a conspiracy of "Organized Jewry" that amounts to a
> good deal more than "pulling the wool over anybody's eyes." It amounts
> to a conspiracy on a scale undreamt of in the most feverish imaginings
> of the Tsarist police. If you want an example of naivete, look in the
> mirror. You've swallowed Butz' absurd claims hook, line, and sinker.

I lead where the facts follow, however unpleasant the conclusions. Most of 
what you refer to as a conspiracy is simply wilful blindness and self-deception,
and fear of being branded anti-Semitic, a powerful taboo in Western society. 

> Actually, Al, what I am saying, with all my "dirty tricks of
> semantics," is that the particular conspiracy that Butz posits is
> awfully hard to swallow.

Not to me it isn't, the argument is sound and the facts fit. 
  
> Brilliant argument. Because it is possible to lie, therefore
> "Organized Jewry" can do nothing else but lie.

They are not the only damned liars in the world, but they are certainly
amongst the most prolific and successful. Again, due largely to people being
too afraid to stand up to them.


> I am particularly taken with the phrase "Jews have more than their
> fair share" of "brazen liars." I would be interested to know what
> construction I should put on the idea that Jews are more likely to lie
> that is not antisemitic.

Well, let me put it this way: there are about 50,000 people in British prisons:
90% of them are men. Now I think that is excellent evidence that men are more
likely to murder, thieve, cheat and steal than women, and I'm not afraid to 
say so. That doesn't mean that I am anti-male, simply that I am stating a fact.

In private mail I was told by an elderly - and obviously senile - Jewish member
of this newsgroup that I am a wicked anti-Semite because "I know of no Jewish
people who are criminals, who are alcoholics, who beat their wives..." etc
and ad nauseum.  Praeger and Telushkin's whining and wailing book WHY THE JEWS?
says exactly the same thing and more. In other words, Jews are more honest than
us goyim, better educated, more decent citizens etc. Ie they are saying exactly
the same thing as me only vice versa, and of course, they do have rather a
derth of evidence.

> I note in passing that after outright denial, the next strategy of
> neo-Nazi apologetics is the relativization of Nazi crimes. It is
> amazing that as a result of a few indiscreet words to Alan
> Finkelstein, you have revealed yourself as a text book case of what
> Lipstadt writes about.

My words to Alan Finkelstein were not at all indiscreet. He has been conned.
If I'm such a non-entity, why do you pay me such attention? And are personal
insults better than racial ones, real or imagined?

I think it is also indicative of the weakness of your arguments that you must
resort to this sort of "Baron used a racial epithet therefore he is an anti-
Semite and crank and you can't believe a word he says" innuendo.

As to the relativisation of Nazi crimes, I don't think the country that dropped
two Atom Bombs has got any right to preach to anyone. For the record I would
most definitely not want to live under any sort of Nazi regime, and have been
told more than once that if I did I would be one of the first to end up in
a concentration camp.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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The review below of American Renaissance is taken from a leading Libertarian 
magazine.

                  A R T I C L E   B E G I N S
=====================================================================
ZINE REVIEW

American Renaissance

Published monthly by the New Century Foundation, Kentucky


American Renaissance is the monthly journal of the New Century
Foundation, which is a white nationalist group.  I choose to review it
because the past 29 issues have just come into my possession, and
and interesting read they make; and because I have lost Martin
Ball's review of Treason at Maastricht, and must somehow fill this
space.

The journal contains little that I expected.  It is not anti-semitic: 
some of the best articles are by Jews.  It avoids conspiracy theories: 
I found not a mention of black helicopters or Illuminati.  It pushes
neither social credit nor protectionism:  generally, it is "sound" on
economics.  It ignores all the mystical and Germanic stuff that I
normally associate with racism.  Instead, it clearly and insistently
states four propositions:

First, crime in the United States is largely the work of blacks and
hispanics.  Areas still predominantly white are safe and orderly places. 
Areas that are not are increasingly violent, and increasingly like the
nastier parts of the third world.

Second, so far from helping, policies of welfare and affirmative action
have only made things worse.  Welfare finances the growth of the non-
white population.  Affirmative action displaces whites from positions
to which merit entitles them, and encourages collective loyalties that
would be denounced as racism if expressed by whites, but that are
praised when expressed by others - and are praised all the more in
proportion to how indifferent or even hostile they are to the American
way of life.

Third, these differences of behaviour reflect differences of genetic
potential.  It is an effect not of environment, for example, that the
average black IQ score is 15 points below the white average, but of a
natural inferiority.  Nor is it environment alone that makes so many
blacks violent and dishonest.  According to Michael Levin [AR, April
1995], the behaviour typical to any group is as much the product of
natural selection, and is passed on in the same way, as the prompting
that certain birds feel to fly south in winter.  The races are different,
he believes, because "selection for morality need not have been
uniform".  He contrasts the behaviour appropriate in "the colder,
harsher, Eurasian environment in which whites and Asians evolved"
and in sub-Saharan Africa, where "honesty, sexual self-restraint, and
cooperativeness... did not have the same evolutionary value".  In
conclusion:

    Black behavior that is unacceptable by white standards....
    is how traits that were once adaptive in Africa express
    themselves in Western urban society. [Ibid.]

Blacks cannot be held responsible for the drive by shootings or any of
the other horrors described in the regular "O Tempora, O Mores!"
section of American Renaissance.  It is their nature.  We might as well
blame a fox for carrying off chickens.

Fourth, salvation begins with the fostering of a "white racial
consciousness".  White children are to be taught white culture and
white moral values, and to feel pride in the achievements of the white
race.  What comes next is still disputed.  Rabbi Mayer Schiller and
Richard McCulloch [AR, February 1995] call for separation.  The
United States is to be divided into white, black, hispanic and mixed
states, each independent of the other.  Samuel Francis [AR, March
1995] calls for a reassertion of white supremacy.  In his utopia, there
will be equality before the law - but this

    does not mean political equality, the right to vote, or the
    right to hold political office, let alone social and economic
    equality, nor the `right' to attend the same schools, to serve
    on juries, to marry across racial lines, to serve in the
    armed forces, to eat at lunch counters, to ride on buses, to
    buy a house or rent a room or hold a job, to receive welfare,
    to be admitted to colleges and universities, to take
    academic degrees or to be promoted. [Ibid.]

But the need for radical action now is agreed.  Other things being
equal, whites will become a minority of the American population
before the middle of the next century.  It will then be just a matter of
time before they are entirely submerged by the "rising tide of color" -
or are swept away by it.

Now, I confess that I want American Renaissance to be wrong.  If it is
right, then I am not.  If the future of civilisation depends on a choice
between ethnic cleansing and apartheid, I am wasting my time in the
Libertarian Alliance.  I am not saying this to curry favour with the
Guardian-reading classes - though their disapproval could do me
endless harm - but to alert my readers to a bias in what follows that
I can fight but may not overcome.  This being said, I do believe that
American Renaissance is wrong in all that it considers most important.

I will not deny the first two propositions.  Rabbi Schiller has already
answered the reply I would have made to the first:

    Obviously, large numbers of blacks and Hispanics are not
    violent, of low IQ, or disinclined to work.  The question is
    not whether all members of a racial group behave in a
    certain way, but whether enough do so to make the
    societies they create undesirable for whites. [AR, February
    1995]

The second two, however, I will deny.  Though given much support by
claims about identical twins separated at birth, and the like [eg, AR,
August 1993], the notion that genetic inheritance determines the
intricacies of behaviour is at least unnecessary.

Take any group of people.  Conquer them.  Enslave them.  Even after
emancipation, treat them like dangerous wild animals, and erect all
manner of formal and informal barriers to keep them in the lowest
class of poverty.  Then, after another hundred years, turn about and
start worshipping them.  Subsidise some of them to produce hordes of
illegitimate children, where resident fathers are scarce, and resident
fathers with jobs almost unknown.  Give others privileged access to
jobs and courses and public contracts; and call it "hate" if anyone
complains about this.  Encourage them to like only each other.  Teach
them that everyone else is actively conspiring against them, and has
been ever since, in some shadowy past, all the art and philosophy and
science that they first developed were somehow "stolen" from them. 
Then, after most of these people have been thoroughly demoralised,
tighten existing laws against possession that make drug trafficking
into a lucrative, if dangerous, profession.  Do all this, and there will
be enough stories for "O Tempora, O Mores!" to curdle anyone's blood.

This is a better explanation not because - as the writers of American
Renaissance might reply - it lets me carry on believing in human
equality.  It is better because environment explains many other facts
that genetics cannot explain without refinements that look like the
rescue hypotheses of Marxism or the Ptolemaic system.  I have read
much in American Renaissance about Detroit and Haiti and Rwanda. 
I have read nothing about what is happening in the former
Yugoslavia, where the savages at least look white.  Nor have I read
anything about the condition of Ireland and Scotland in the 17th
century, where the communal violence - and occasional cannibalism -
shocked observers who had known the 30 Years War.

The obvious rescue is to say that not all whites are equally "white". 
But this at best destabilises the main argument.  William Robertson
Boggs [AR, December 1992] shows how "East and West Africans differ
in important ways that explain why they excel in different sports". 
Well, if blacks differ physically, they might differ in other ways - so
that some black races might be more intelligent and orderly than some
white.  Certainly, the Zulus seem a more sensible people than the
Bosnian Serbs.

As for "intelligence", the writers of American Renaissance are obsessed
with IQ scores.  For myself, I doubt if these measure more than the
ability to pass IQ tests.  I have yet to read The Bell Curve, which I am
told answers every doubt.  But there are few people in Mensa whom
I do not regard as conceited half-wits, and would not cross most roads
to avoid meeting.

No - the second two propositions are neither necessary nor fully
considered.  And so, until it may be needed, let us forget all this
apocalyptic stuff, and try a few policy changes.  Let us abolish welfare
and the drug laws and the whole apparatus of equal opportunities and
Western guilt.  I will not repeat what Nicholas Dykes and Brian
Micklethwait have said already in this issue; but a new set of signals,
I am sure, will produce a new set of responses.

Though I disagree with much in American Renaissance, it is,
undeniably, an interesting read.  At the very least, it was worth
reading for the graphics - some of which I have plagiarised for Free
Life.


American Renaissance is available from the New Century Foundation,
PO Box 1674, Kentucky 40201, United States of America.  Overseas
surface subscriptions cost US$30 per year.  Cheques (US$ only) should
be made payable to American Renaissance.  Otherwise, the equivalent
in convertible foreign currency should be sent.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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In article <4066rm$jn2@shiva.usa.net> hkatz@earth.usa.net "Harry Katz" writes:

> In article <400gnf$r7v@news.cais.com>,
> jlupton@ids2.idsonline.com indulges himself in a little bit of
> Jew-baiting:
>   
>         Mr. Baron did include the words 'gas chambers' and accurately
>         stated that they were spared from this experience, and went on
>         to New York where they latter moved to Miami Beach to retire and
>         draw social security and appear on the Donahue Show as regular
>         guest to explain about their amazing escape from a great peril.

All I did actually was make a sarcastic comment about them going to live
in New York. As I've found several reports of survivors allegedly "gassed"
or otherwise disposed of living happily many years later I think that is 
fair comment. But if you don't think so, you don't have to take it seriously.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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In article <406lep$epr@access2.digex.net>
           mstein@access2.digex.net "Michael P. Stein" writes:
>     You should be able to find the book with the text of Lanzmann's
> documentary "Shoah" and probably the videos of the documentary itself. 
> Lanzmann, a private individual making a documentary, went to Suchomel and
> asked him to talk.  Suchomel made him promise not to use his name - 
> a promise which Lanzmann broke.


I''ve seen part of the film of Shoah. Are you suggesting that it was to
be taken seriously? The barber in the gas chamber and everything?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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In article 
           cendbj@bonaly.hw.ac.uk "David Johnston" writes:
> 
> >I haven't read all the testimonies. Have you?
> 
> That's not an answer, that's just another evasion. Do you believe that all the 
> above lied? If you do, and according to your beliefs, they must have, what 
> proof have you got? Please detail that proof.
> 

If I remember correctly, you're the guy who took the piss out of me about the
photomontages then said you were going to look them up. Well, that was weeks
ago. What have you done about it? Did you order Did 6 Million Really Die?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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In article <406m2r$f6k@access2.digex.net>
           mstein@access2.digex.net "Michael P. Stein" writes:
>     However, Demjanjuk did seem to have some connection to a place called
> "Sobibor."  Calling him _totally_ innocent might be overstating your case 
> a bit.


there was a book published on the Demjanjuk case about 1986. It showed clearly
that he was being framed - primarily, I believe, by the Wiesenthalers. This is
something I do know a bit about, having seen documentation on their methods
>from  a Latvian source. Even the Board of Deputies of British Jews didn't 
want to have anything to do with Wiesenthal, he's that bad.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> Alexander Baron  writes:
> 
> Under proper direction the Jews should now in the course of the
> Final Solution be brought to the East in a suitable way for use
> as labor. In big labor gangs, with separation of the sexes, the
> Jews capable of work are brought to these areas and employed in
> road building, in which task undoubtedly a great part will fall
> out through natural diminution.
> 
> The remnant that finally is able to survive all this - since this
> is undoubtedly the part with the strongest resistance - must
> be treated accordingly since these people, representing a natural
> selection, are to be regarded as the germ cell of a new Jewish
> development. (See the experience of history).


So where does it say they are then to be gassed?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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In article <405nkm$hp8@gwdu19.gwdg.de>
           uroessl1@gwdg.de "Roessler  Ulrich" writes:

> Well, I may claim now - that your knowledge about all this is zero:
> you proved yourself by your conduct in this exchange, that you have 
> no idea about the sources, no ability to verify your own claims even 
> from published material, and that you have no knowledge about easily 
> available central documents.

Go ahead if it makes you happy. Am I to understand though that it has never
been claimed officially that six million Jews were killed by the Nazis? Is
that what you're claiming?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Wed Aug  9 13:51:54 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Adolf Hitler - Racist?
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"The white races did, of course, give some things to the natives, 
and they were the worst gifts that they could possibly have made, 
those plagues of our own modern world - materialism,  fanaticism, 
alcoholism  and syphilis. For the rest, since these peoples  pos-
sessed qualities of their own which were superior to anything  we 
could offer them, they have remained essentially unchanged. Where 
imposition  by  force was attempted, the results were  even  more 
disastrous...One solitary success must be conceded to the coloni-
zers: everywhere they have succeeded in arousing hatred..." 
Adolf Hitler February 7th 1945   



"For us, Japan will always remain an ally and a friend. This  war 
will  teach us to appreciate and respect her more than  ever.  It 
will encourage us to draw more tightly the bonds which unite  our 
two countries." Adolf Hitler 18th February, 1945


"...I promise you I am quite free of all racial hatred. It is, in 
any case, undesirable that one race should mix with other  races. 
Except  for  a few gratuitous successes, which I am  prepared  to 
admit,   systematic  cross-breeding  has  never   produced   good 
results...Pride in one's own race - and that does not imply  con-
tempt for other races - is also a normal and healthy sentiment. I 
have never regarded the Chinese or the Japanese as being inferior 
to ourselves. They belong to ancient civilizations, and I  freely 
admit  that their past history is superior to our own. They  have 
the  right  to be proud of their own past, just as  we  have  the 
right to be proud of the civilization to which we belong."  Adolf 
Hitler, 13th February, 1945


"A million Arabs aren't worth a Jewish fingernail" Rabbi Yaacov Perrin
in the wake of the Hebron massacre.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Leuchter
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I saw a TV programme about the death penalty last night and it showed
a still of a certain Mr Leuchter who was said to have invented a machine
that had been been used to execute at least 3 people by lethal injection.

It described him as a self-styled engineer and said that the executions had
been botched - whatever that means - but it does appear to further support
his claim that he had consulted as an execution specialist with US penitentiaries.
Has anyone got any further genuine information on this?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article <408mhu$glg@dns.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:
> 
>      As to whether you believe or not is of little consequence.  Indeed, 
> considering the garbage that you do believe it is almost a compliment to be 
> informed of your disbelief.

I am not prepared to take at face value your slanders on Paul Findley because
I know the way you people operate. Findley has also written two excellent
books and from them is no manner of anti-Semite.

 
>     BTW I am still waiting to hear your exoneration of Al Capone.  It's been a 
> long week and I need a good laugh.

My REVISIONIST HISTORY OF PROHIBITION is availabel from ITMA at 
3 pounds sterling surface mail.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Thu Aug 10 05:09:26 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: A DAY AT AUSCHWITZ WITH DR
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In article <408mb6$7v7@access5.digex.net>
           mstein@access5.digex.net "Michael P. Stein" writes:
>     Now you know how I feel about some of your descriptions of what I've
> said.  No, you didn't say _all_ Jews, that's true enough.  But of course
> you didn't _specify_ any Jews either.  Therefore you invite everyone to
> think that any _particular_ Jew could be one of "them."
> 
>     Thus you smear all Jews while being able to maintain that you only
> mean certain Jews (whom you never name).  If you were a better thinker I'd
> call you disingenuous, but I really think you _don't_ understand the
> implications of your vague accusations. 


Okay Mike, I'll name them:
the ADL
the Simon Wiesenthal Center
the Board of Deputies of British Jews - "defence committee"
AJEX
the Searchlight Organisation (not exclusively Jewish) 
AIPAC etc.

This is no big secret, Mike. There are a number of books on this subject
although most are related to the Israel lobby. Check them out. 

I have never suggested that you are one of these people; you are at least
prepared to give a fella a hearing. The above organisations are not, and for
that reason I would suggest that you have more in common with Libertarians
like myself than with Kosher fascists like them. Incidentally, the founder
of Libertarianism was a Jew!

Re the WRB report, the available evidence indicates that it was produced by
Polish Jews (and Gentiles) foisted on the reluctant West, and later endorsed
- along with all the hate propaganda - by the Allies and the Reds. It has the 
appearance of a development of interest, a bandwagon, rather than a conspiracy.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Thu Aug 10 05:11:19 PDT 1995
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In article 
           schwartz@infinet.com "Sara aka Perrrfect" writes:
>  
> (sorry, couldn't resist...)

If you think they have any control over me at all I suggest you contact
the Board of Deputies director Mike Whine - yes, that really is his name.
They've long been sorry they cross swords with me, and they'll be even
sorrier before they're much older. 

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Baron's e-mail to Alan Finkelstein
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In article <408ul7$19sm@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:

>
> I might be inclined to debate this point with you if you were to
> present even one argument of substance or if you actually knew any
> facts.
> 
> I'll take your opening sentence as a mistake and an unintended irony.

Butz has presented all the relevant facts; the War Refugee Board report
has been admitted to be based largely on hearsay. It was presented as
eyewitness testimony but was later admitted to have not been any such thing;
therefore they lied.
 
> >> Actually, Al, what I am saying, with all my "dirty tricks of
> >> semantics," is that the particular conspiracy that Butz posits is
> >> awfully hard to swallow.

>You
> never say why your little library of antisemites claims that this or
> that photo was faked or this or that document was forged. You never
> present evidence. You never argue with reputable historians. 

You may recall "reputable historians" such as Deborah (there is no debate)
Lipstadt are not prepared to argue. Whose fault is that?


> Whether or not Alan Finkelstein has been conned, how does that entitle
> you to call him "Jew boy," to call someone else a "yid," and to refer
> to Jews in general as "stupid" and "brazen liars"? Supposing you were
> merely frustrated with Mr. Finkelstein, what does it say about you
> that you resort to antisemitic terminology to express your
> frustration?
> 
> You don't seem to get it. People get to decide what terms they deem
> insulting, not you. Whatever the etymology of "yid," Jews have decided
> that it is a racial slur. Just because you know the etymology, doesn't
> mean that it is acceptable behavior for you to go around calling Jews
> "yids." If you don't know what even school children know, then I can
> only conclude that you are indeed an ignorant man. Having explained
> this to you, if you persist in using racial epithets, then I may
> safely conclude that you are altogether stupid.

Well, for the record, Dillibe Onyeama published a highly acclaimed book
about his schooldays called NIGGER AT EATON and another later called JOHN
BULL'S NIGGER. Labi Sifri recently published an autobiography called NIGGER.

Faggots have started calling themselves queers on both sides of the Atlantic;
so I just don't happen to find the phrase "Jew boy" that offensive. I've also
used the word bitch not a few times to describe females, but that doesn't mean
that I hate women, though maybe a particular woman. Furthermore, I was trying
to shine a little light into your friend's darkness, so used thus it was really
more a term of endearment. It shows
how desperate you are to smear me that you would use this as ultimate proof
of my alleged anti-Semitism.
 
> Why do I bother with such a non-entity as yourself? Because, whether
> you are a fool or liar, you are spreading falsehoods. Rather, you are
> parrotting the falsehoods of antisemites and neo-Nazis whose aim is to
> rehabilitate Nazism as a respectable political alternative.

Non-entity, fool, liar. You're not short of a few insults yourself, my friend.

> Hardly an innuendo, but a straight forward statement. I have come to
> the conclusion that your beliefs about the Holocaust are motivated by
> your dislike of the Jews.

My beliefs about the Holocaust are motivated by my own researches and 
the evidence that is there for all to see. Even you.
 
> I suppose you are right that you'd be one of the first if history
> repeated itself exactly and the new regime started exterminating
> "useless eaters" first.

More insults!
 
> Look, Al. Why don't we just take it as read that you are an antisemite
> and that you are not afraid to be called one? 

Well, actually I'm suing somebody at the moment for making that - and related
claims - and I am going to win.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: The Baron Phenomena (Re: Baron's e-mail to Alan Finkelstein)
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> I, for one, don't see it that way. Baron's antisemitic diatribe
> and Hitler-apologetic rubbish do not prove that he is a liar,
> they only reflect on his personality in particular and on
> the personality of Holocaust-deniers in general, to some
> extent, because the large majority of them are antisemites
> and Hitler apologists.

Please tell me when I have ever apologised for Hitler? In my last publication
I actually refer to him as a monster, perhaps a slight overstatement, but
I'm sure you'll forgive the hylperobolae this once.

 
> However, Baron is not a liar and a fool because he writes 
> antisemitic and Hitler-apologetic material. He is a liar
> and a fool because he writes lies and nonsense. 

No he does not.

> Baron's really a strange person. I think that, deep inside,
> he sort of realizes what a bunch of low-life Nazi scums
> Holocaust deniers are, and he doesn't really want to
> belong to that crowd; I think it's part of his frustration
> and hate that he does belong there. 

Hey, the guy's a shrink. Perhaps it's because I had a rotten childhood.

But this realization
> also pushes him, in some twisted way, to try and court
> the "anti-revisionists" here; 

I'm not interested in courting anyone, except maybe an attractive female.
> Baron's just barely intelligent enough to realize how dumb he 
> really is, and it's driving him mad.

Are you sure it's not you he's driving mad?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article <40br4i$67o@nimitz.fibr.net>
           Harry W. Mazal OBE "hmazal@txdirect.net, San Antonio, Texas" writes:

> Certainly. After Mr. Baron explains how the page numbers on the First Edition
>  correspond to those 
> on his 'second'edition.

Harry, I have NEVER seen the First Edition of this book!

 
> >  The  Encyclopedia of the Holocaust - under Denial, Volume 2 - says that
> >  when "eyewitnesses" report gassings at Dachau mistakenly, the Revisionists
> >  pounce on this discrepancy. Lipstadt too says there were no gassings in
> >  Dachau. Don't argue with me, Harry. Argue with them.
> 
> The argument is not whether there were gassings or not in Dachau. It is whether
>  or not
> there is a gas chamber. Once Mr. Baron answers this simple question, he can
>  question
> whether or not it was ever used.

Harry, when the Americans liberated Dachau they found a shower - an ordinary
shower - which they labelled a gas chamber; they also found a delousing
chamber which they had the temerity to label a gas chamber. Your chums
Suzman and Diamond publish in their book a pile of corpses which they say
are of people who were gassed. Now I will ask you one more time, were these
people gassed or did Suzman and Diamond lie?

No more. Put up or shut up.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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> Perhaps Mr. Baron could obtain a copy of the First (and only?) edition. There
>  are 
> excellent lending libraries in London.

Harry, if you troll through the National Union Catalogue or do a search on
RLIN - and if you can't I'm sure one of your academic friends can - you will
find 4 copies in US libraries. Now stop taking the piss. This book exists, I
sent you photocopies from it. If you don't believe me, do the research. Put 
up or shut up.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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> 2- Alexander Baron
>     
> In the case of Baron, we deal with a man whom I suspect is not playing
> with a full deck.  In his latest post, Baron takes exceptional statements
> from Adolf HItler (which are not known to be authentic) and a well-known
> statement from a single Jew to demonstrate that Hitler was not racist ---
> in fact, was something of a humanitarian --- and Jews are racists.  
> 
> The truth is, we have thousands of statements from Adolf Hitler from
> before 1933 to 1945 in print and in radio recordings and newsreels
> in which he becomes apoplectic at Jews and other cursed 
> "non-Germans" living in central Europe.  It's silly to argue that
> Hitler wasn't a racist.  


This quote is authentic; Hitler was not a "racist" period. 
 
> Are Jews racist?  Some of the West Bank settlers are.  Meir Kahane
> was racist.  But are they even significant in Israel's 5 million 
> population?  Anybody that thinks Jews are racist forgets that Kahane 
> was universally condemned at home in Israel.  Here, too.  The
> man was an embarrassment. He wasn't typical at all.  

I was attacking Zionism and Zionist indoctrination, not the benign but banal
Jewish religion. As for Kahane, I've read his book and don't think he was
such a bad guy.

> Baron probably doesn't know the Civil Rights demonstrations
> of the 1960s here in the U.S. the way that people of my age do.  
> When Southern blacks were beaten by lawmen for using water 
> fountains and public bathrooms and bus station waiting rooms, 
> it was primarily Jews who came down south to protest.  

Actually, the distinguished American-Jewish scholar Nathaniel Weyl said that
it was the activities of these sort of scumbags which caused anti-Semitism.


Within 
> a very few years, roughly the period from 1961 to 1965, the practices 
> of a century were halted because of Jews who were sick of racism.  

This was not an act of solidarity with the so-called oppressed. It was the 
expression of the hatred of a certain type of Jew for Western society. And
Communist mischief-makers.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Thu Aug 10 06:24:20 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Hitler's Secret Admirer, Alexander Baron
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In article <40bku7$he8@newsbf02.news.aol.com> jwccti1@aol.com "JWCCTI1" writes:

 
> Believe me, Baron, by February, 1945, any glowing thing Adolf said
> about his comrades-in-arms was nervous whistling in the dark.  If you'll
> recall, eights weeks later, he did the only decent thing he ever did and
> killed himself.


I am not an admirer of Hitler, I am simply making a point that Hitler hated
the Jews - for sure - but was not a race-hater. I am not condoning his 
anti-Semitism, simply documenting a fact.
 
> > "A million Arabs aren't worth a Jewish fingernail" Rabbi Yaacov Perrin
> > in the wake of the Hebron massacre.
> 
> ... and unequivocally racist, despite what anybody else ever said or did.
> You want an argument, f'r crissakes?  

As my friends in the Neturei Karta say: the Hebron massacre symbolises
Zionism in its true form.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Fri Aug 11 15:36:05 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Adolf Hitler - Racist?
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In article <40c7n7$9t0@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:

> I feel certain that many of our white racist and nationalist readers
> have put up with Alexander Baron's maunderings, since they keep me and
> my kind busy trying to keep the historical record straight rather than
> dealing with the present enemy, you, the white racists and
> nationalists. Nevertheless it is beyond me why you put up with what,
> in a peculiar way, are his slanderous attacks on Adolf Hitler.
> 
> Are you really going to let him get away with characterizing Hitler as
> some kind of liberal multiculturalist?


Hitler was no kind of multi-culturalist, he was a cultural chauvinist. For
the benefit of the previous poster, these quotes are 100% authentic. They are
>from  his TESTAMENT, published 1961 & 62 with a foreword by Hugh Trevor-Roper.



-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Fri Aug 11 15:36:08 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Al Baron - Mentally Retarded? (Re: Adolf Hitler - Racist?)
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

>Is Baron
> really claiming these quotes "prove" Hitler didn't hate
> Jews and consider them subhuman? 

I never said Hitler was not anti-Jewish; only a fool would say that. If you
thought I were a fool Dr Keren you wouldn't get so angry.

> It is quite clear that even if Hitler said nice things about
> the Japanese and that even if there are racist Jews, this
> doesn't change the fact that Hitler was a racist and Jew-hater.

Hitler was not a "racist"; he was simply an anti-Semite.

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Fri Aug 11 15:36:13 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: The New Blood Libel
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$Aids is govt plot: German doctor$, published in the SA Times, 
August 9, 1995, page 7: a German doctor visiting Zimbabwe is said 
to have launched his new book in Harare, $Aids - Origin, Spread and 
Healing$, which claims that AIDS is transmitted by agents in the 
air and food, and that the virus was not mainly transmitted sex-
ually. It has been developed as "a well-orchestrated move by the 
governments of some developing countries to reduce the African 
population and 'subtly re-introduce colonialism'."


Personally speaking I can't see a ha'porth of difference between this 
lunacy and JEWS MASS POISON AMERICAN CHILDREN a la Eustace Mullins.

Can you imagine though the uproar this pillock would have caused if he'd accused
the Jews of being behind this. Talk about double standards.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Fri Aug 11 15:36:15 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Acceptable proof
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As I have pointed out many times before, I do not deny the gassings, I claim
they are unproven. I have been asked what it would take to make me believe in
them.

In Reitlinger's book - pages 188 & 559, 1953 edition - he mentions a film that
was taken - allegedly - of an actual gassing. 

Find that film and authenticate it, and I will concede that the Nazis did indeed
gas Jews, although the actual scale of any gassings will still be the subject of
some debate. 

You have your big chance now to shut me - and others like me - up for good.
The ball is now in your court.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Fri Aug 11 15:36:45 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article <40djip$2rr@blackice.winternet.com>
           joelr@winternet.com "Joel Rosenberg" writes:
> I'm not prepared to give a damn what you believe or not.  But the
> evidence on Findley is clear -- he's a jewhater, plain and 
> simple.

You're forgetting something Mr Rosenberg, I've seen the way you people operate,
I've been on the receiving end of it. You have not the faintest respect for truth:
truth is whatever suits your ends and an anti-Semite is any goy who doesn't
kiss your arse. Where is the documentation on Paul Findley you slanderous
git? From your scumbag, smearmonger friends in the ADL, I'll bet, the organisation
that kept files on 800 organisations and 12,000 Americans.

> >
> >My REVISIONIST HISTORY OF PROHIBITION is availabel from ITMA at 
> >3 pounds sterling surface mail.
> 
> That's about five pounds sterling too much.

Actually I've got a few kind words to say in it about a so-called Jewish gangster
too.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Fri Aug 11 15:36:52 PDT 1995
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In article 
           schwartz@infinet.com "Sara aka Perrrfect" writes:

> From his writings, it certainly sounds to ME that Hitler was always an
> anti-Semite. He sure didn't love Jews when he wrote his book.


"In the Jew I saw only a man who was of a different religion, and therefore,
on grounds of human tolerance, I was against the idea that he should be 
attacked because he was of a different faith. And so I considered the tone 
adopted by the anti-Semitic Press in Vienna was unworthy of the
cultural traditions of a great people..."


James Murphy's Mein Kampf - the only authorised translation

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Fri Aug 11 20:30:02 PDT 1995
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The Metropolitan Police are currently being sued by a black man after wrongfully
arresting him, impounding his car, then having it stolen from the police pound!

What was that about black muggers?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Fri Aug 11 21:23:39 PDT 1995
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In article <40ev1j$9l7@access2.digex.net>
           mstein@access2.digex.net "Michael P. Stein" writes:

Mike, I don't know who forged the Turin Shroud, but that doesn't mean it
is genuine. As stated, it's not that all these documents are forgeries, they
simply don't prove what you and others claim they prove.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Fri Aug 11 21:23:47 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article <40e83f$ii2@gwdu19.gwdg.de>
           uroessl1@gwdg.de "Roessler  Ulrich" writes:

> 
> Newer research (*) gives a number of the same magnitude - the lower bound 
> of this estimate is at about 5.3 million. This number is ascertained
> by sufficient documentary sources. An estimate of about 6 million Jews
> murdered by the Nazis can be justified from that research.

Thanks a lot, a proper, unevasive answer for once. That does not of course
mean that the contents of all these documents are true.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article <40eakf$jgk@gwdu19.gwdg.de>
           uroessl1@gwdg.de "Roessler  Ulrich" writes:

> 
> Alexander Baron  writes:
> 
> This is just to announce. In the case of the "Polish Resistance"
> photographs, I have amply demonstrated that Mr.Baron severely
> misrepresented and distorted what Pressac really said. In that
> case, he refused as well to provide an proper citation.

How have I misrepresented them? These were said to have been taken
by David Szmulewski, at the time. Pressac claims they were not taken
by him, in addition to that he admits, blatantly, that one of them, which 
was - allegedly - of a group of old women, was retouched to make it look
like young women. This was 40 years later. Were it not for Revisionism, 
that photo would be unchallenged to this day. All the same, we have only the
word of Szmulewski, and perhaps one or two others - who are hardly unbiased
witnesses - that these photos were taken when and where it is claimed. I don't
see that I have misrepresented anything. These photographs do not have
proper frames of reference, they were taken by someone other than the person
originally claimed, and they have been doctored significantly. That is as plain
a case of forgery as I have ever seen. Furthermore, they do not prove that a
group of women were gassed [sic], simply that they took their clothes off.
I have found one book by a survivor which claims this was a regular occurrence,
part of the delousing process.




-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Adolf Hitler - Racist?
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In article <40em9a$197@globe.indirect.com>
           bkt@indirect.com "Brian Thompson" writes:

> 
> How about some more nifty quotes from Hitler?
> 
> "Everything about the behavior of American society reveals that
> it's half judaized and the other half negrified.  How can one expect
> a state like that to hold together?"
> 
> or this pearl of tolerance and wisdom:
> 
> "The Americans ought to be ashamed of themselves for letting
> their medals be won by Negroes."
> 
> Hitler a rascist?  That's one of the kinder judgments one could make
> about him.  How about all around evil bastard and mass-murdering
> lunatic?
> 
> I can't believe I took the time to even answer such a scary post.
> 
> --Brian 

I don't believe Hitler said any such thing. That sounds just like the sort
of poison spewed out by the pooh bahs in Hollywood and at the New York Times.
which means that it does indeed qualify as racial hatred, to wit, the 
unconditional racial hatred of American Zionist Jews who were doing their best
to drag the United States into a war against Germany.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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In article <40eff8$l2j@gwdu19.gwdg.de>
           uroessl1@gwdg.de "Roessler  Ulrich" writes:
 
> Do you understand that these conjectures and insinuations without 
> evidence are not only insulting? They make transparent that in your 
> view lying and deceiving are normal scholarly methods. 

That is EXACTLY my view. Obviously you haven't heard of Piltdown Man,
Summerlin's mouse, Newton fudging his data, Mendel's too perfect bean
experiments, Sir Cyril Burt's twin study, polywater, N-rays, cold fusion,
or the plethora of deceptions in the hard sciences. Hardly an issue of 
Nature goes by without somebody being accused of fraud. There are two very
good books BETRAYERS OF THE TRUTH and FALSE PROPHETS which cover this subject;
lies and deception in the social sciences are even more common, or haven't 
you read the declaration of the French historians?

It should be patently obvious to any honest person that even the more honest
exterminationists in this newsgroup - like Mike Stein - are interested first
and foremost in branding all Revisionists liars to discredit them and in 
proving that gassings happened rather than conducting any sort of enquiry
into this tragic period and assessing the evidence for and AGAINST the alleged
genocide. 

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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In article <40ev1j$9l7@access2.digex.net>
           mstein@access2.digex.net "Michael P. Stein" writes:

Mike, I don't know who forged the Turin Shroud, but that doesn't mean it
is genuine. As stated, it's not that all these documents are forgeries, they
simply don't prove what you and others claim they prove.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: A DAY AT AUSCHWITZ WITH DR
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In article <40e83f$ii2@gwdu19.gwdg.de>
           uroessl1@gwdg.de "Roessler  Ulrich" writes:

> 
> Newer research (*) gives a number of the same magnitude - the lower bound 
> of this estimate is at about 5.3 million. This number is ascertained
> by sufficient documentary sources. An estimate of about 6 million Jews
> murdered by the Nazis can be justified from that research.

Thanks a lot, a proper, unevasive answer for once. That does not of course
mean that the contents of all these documents are true.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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Subject: Re: A DAY AT AUSCHWITZ WITH DR
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In article <40eakf$jgk@gwdu19.gwdg.de>
           uroessl1@gwdg.de "Roessler  Ulrich" writes:

> 
> Alexander Baron  writes:
> 
> This is just to announce. In the case of the "Polish Resistance"
> photographs, I have amply demonstrated that Mr.Baron severely
> misrepresented and distorted what Pressac really said. In that
> case, he refused as well to provide an proper citation.

How have I misrepresented them? These were said to have been taken
by David Szmulewski, at the time. Pressac claims they were not taken
by him, in addition to that he admits, blatantly, that one of them, which 
was - allegedly - of a group of old women, was retouched to make it look
like young women. This was 40 years later. Were it not for Revisionism, 
that photo would be unchallenged to this day. All the same, we have only the
word of Szmulewski, and perhaps one or two others - who are hardly unbiased
witnesses - that these photos were taken when and where it is claimed. I don't
see that I have misrepresented anything. These photographs do not have
proper frames of reference, they were taken by someone other than the person
originally claimed, and they have been doctored significantly. That is as plain
a case of forgery as I have ever seen. Furthermore, they do not prove that a
group of women were gassed [sic], simply that they took their clothes off.
I have found one book by a survivor which claims this was a regular occurrence,
part of the delousing process.




-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Adolf Hitler - Racist?
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In article <40em9a$197@globe.indirect.com>
           bkt@indirect.com "Brian Thompson" writes:

> 
> How about some more nifty quotes from Hitler?
> 
> "Everything about the behavior of American society reveals that
> it's half judaized and the other half negrified.  How can one expect
> a state like that to hold together?"
> 
> or this pearl of tolerance and wisdom:
> 
> "The Americans ought to be ashamed of themselves for letting
> their medals be won by Negroes."
> 
> Hitler a rascist?  That's one of the kinder judgments one could make
> about him.  How about all around evil bastard and mass-murdering
> lunatic?
> 
> I can't believe I took the time to even answer such a scary post.
> 
> --Brian 

I don't believe Hitler said any such thing. That sounds just like the sort
of poison spewed out by the pooh bahs in Hollywood and at the New York Times.
which means that it does indeed qualify as racial hatred, to wit, the 
unconditional racial hatred of American Zionist Jews who were doing their best
to drag the United States into a war against Germany.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: A DAY AT AUSCHWITZ WITH DR
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In article <40eff8$l2j@gwdu19.gwdg.de>
           uroessl1@gwdg.de "Roessler  Ulrich" writes:
 
> Do you understand that these conjectures and insinuations without 
> evidence are not only insulting? They make transparent that in your 
> view lying and deceiving are normal scholarly methods. 

That is EXACTLY my view. Obviously you haven't heard of Piltdown Man,
Summerlin's mouse, Newton fudging his data, Mendel's too perfect bean
experiments, Sir Cyril Burt's twin study, polywater, N-rays, cold fusion,
or the plethora of deceptions in the hard sciences. Hardly an issue of 
Nature goes by without somebody being accused of fraud. There are two very
good books BETRAYERS OF THE TRUTH and FALSE PROPHETS which cover this subject;
lies and deception in the social sciences are even more common, or haven't 
you read the declaration of the French historians?

It should be patently obvious to any honest person that even the more honest
exterminationists in this newsgroup - like Mike Stein - are interested first
and foremost in branding all Revisionists liars to discredit them and in 
proving that gassings happened rather than conducting any sort of enquiry
into this tragic period and assessing the evidence for and AGAINST the alleged
genocide. 

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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Harry Mazal, 

you are going to be SOOORRRRRRYYYYYY

Silly me not realising this. It really does show how fallible is memory.
Lenski's book THE HOLOCAUST ON TRIAL refers several times to the 137 page
edition of SIX MILLION DID DIE and even mentions the same pages that I sent
you. Actually, I plead not guilty to plagiarism because I picked this up
c1982.

It also alludes to the Mueller document, which established in 1948 that there
had been no gassings in the Old Reich. So Harry, if you haven't got access
to the Suzman and Diamond book, you have got access to Lenski's. Other people
in this group have besides my fellow zero Jefff Roberts.

So once again, Harry, did Suzman and Diamond lie, or did mad Al?

It goes like this: "Yes Mr Baron, they did lie, and I apologise for casting
aspersions on your integrity. I'm not an evil person, just a frightened old
Jew."

"I accept your apology Harry, like the magnanimous - and totally unbigoted
- goy I am."


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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This is a double posting


Harry Mazal, 

you are going to be SOOORRRRRRYYYYYY

Silly me not realising this. It really does show how fallible is memory.
Lenski's book THE HOLOCAUST ON TRIAL refers several times to the 137 page
edition of SIX MILLION DID DIE and even mentions the same pages that I sent
you. Actually, I plead not guilty to plagiarism because I picked this up
c1982.

It also alludes to the Mueller document, which established in 1948 that there
had been no gassings in the Old Reich. So Harry, if you haven't got access
to the Suzman and Diamond book, you have got access to Lenski's. Other people
in this group have besides my fellow zero Jefff Roberts.

So once again, Harry, did Suzman and Diamond lie, or did mad Al?

It goes like this: "Yes Mr Baron, they did lie, and I apologise for casting
aspersions on your integrity. I'm not an evil person, just a frightened old
Jew."

"I accept your apology Harry, like the magnanimous - and totally unbigoted
- goy I am."


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: JEWISH TAX SCAM
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In article <40ela4$sun@dns.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:
 
> 
>     Let's face it mother-fucker your thought process went as follows.  "A Jew
>  said 
> it therefore it cannot be true."  It is, clearly the thought process that you
>  have 
> used in the past and clearly are using now.

No, I said I have studied the ADL etc and know what damned liars they are.
I've actually collaborated with two Rabbis on my publications; if you look
in the mirror you'll see the real reason people hate you, and it has nothing
to do with anti-Semitism. Dig, Mother Fucker?

Paul Findley was a Representative for 22 years; it was only when he started
investigating the truth about the Middle East that the smears against him
started, which is par for the course for the Zionist cabal who have had
such a stranglehold on US foreign policy for so long, a stranglehold that is
at last being broken.

You're calling me a bigot?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Julius and Ethel Rosenberg Holocaust Museum
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In article <40fetk$4bi@news.cais.com> jlupton@ids2.idsonline.com  writes:
 The Julius
> and Ethel Rosenberg U.S. Holocaust Museum is well named, since
> it reflects the character of the Jews of this country.  

Not entirely, they were sentenced to death by a Jewish judge, after all.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Adolf Hitler - Racist?
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> Adolf Hitler, quoted in "Hitler", by Joachim Fest, Vintage
> Books Edition, 1974, p. 679-680:
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> Nature is cruel; therefore we are also entitled to be cruel. When I
> send the flower of German youth into the steel hail of the next war
> without feeling the slightest regret over the precious German blood
> that is being spilled, should I not also have the right to eliminate
> millions of an inferior race that multiplies like vermin?

Edited by David Cohen, published by Moishe Rosenthal, posted by Daniel
Keren. 

You're right, this is racial hatred, pure and simple. 


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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Subject: Re: Adolf Hitler - Racist?
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In article <40gplp$1duc@news-s02.ny.us.ibm.net>
           gmcfee@ibm.net "Gord McFee" writes:
> 
> John, I believe it was the second edition of a book that only had one edition.

If you look elsewhere in this newsgroup this twisted reference to SIX MILLION
DID DIE will hit you in the face and make you eat you words, or, as it usually
does with you mischief-makers, make you quietly change the subject without
conceding that once again you have been routed. For the record, this book,
TESTAMENT, had two editions, as did Suzman and Diamond's lie-ridden piece
of polemical trash.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Al Baron - Mentally Retarded? (Re: Adolf Hitler - Racist?)
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In article <40gpmk$1duc@news-s02.ny.us.ibm.net>
           gmcfee@ibm.net "Gord McFee" writes:

> In message  - dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wri
> tes:
> :>
> :>Baron dug up from somewhere - he doesn't tell us where - a few
> :>quotes of Hitler praising Japanese (his allies in the war),
> :>and also a quote of a racist Jew.

Once again, I never said that Hitler wasn't an anti-Semite, I said he wasn't
a racist - whatever is meant by that vacuous word. If I hate Irishmen I am
not a racist, I am simply anti-Irish. Dig?

As for ONE racist Jew, since so many Jews - especially in this newsgroup,
seem to believe that anyone who ever disagrees with them is a raving anti-Semite,
I would say that this obvious sense of racial superiority is evidence of quite
a few more racist Jews.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Schwarzhuber Testifies About Gassing in Ravensbrueck
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> ##    THE MUELLER DOCUMENT
> 
> # Also known as "Lachout"-document, and exposed as fabrication
> # immediately following its publication in an Austrian
> # Neu-Nazi journal in 1987. (See below).

I'd like some more information on this. Have you got an English language 
source? Lipstadt certainly doesn't mention it, and I wonder why not.



-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Fri Aug 11 10:28:15 PDT 1995
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Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: 1) CONFESSIONS EXORTED BY TORTURE
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> Which is to say that "revisionists" will make use of unauthenticated
> documentary evidence but will ignore masses of authentic documents
> as it suits their purposes.

THIS REVISIONIST will not make use of any fake and will ALWAYS admit it
any time he has been conned. Unlike ALL Exterminationists. 
Can you give me a printed reference for this. In English? Thanks.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:
> Does this mean that we must have a movie of every historical
> event, in order to prove it really happened?
> 
> What about the crusades? The civil war? Stalin's atrocities?

There's a big difference. Stalin isn't supposed to have ordered people
to strip off 2,000 at a time, including pious Jews, some of whom won't even
look at a naked woman, and then march into a "gas chamber" with a towel and
a bar of soap, men, women and children. Stalin realised that the easiest, 
cheapest and most efficient way to commit genocide was to shoot people en 
masse through the back of the neck. I'd be very interested to see 
these stills. Heck, you might even make a convert. Stranger things have 
happened.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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Subject: More nonsense - anti-Japanese hate propaganda
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The Times, August 12, 1995, page 2 reports that during World War Two
Japanese atrocities in the Philippines included throwing babies into the air
and impailing them on bayonets. Has anyone any documentation on this?

It claims also that the Japanese did not recognise the Geneva Convention because
they had not signed it and therefore often executed prisoners of war who
tried to escape "despite protests that it was part of a British 
serviceman's duty to attempt to do so."

It never ceases to amaze me that the politically correct pricks of the
"anti-racist" lobby never attack the demonising of these slant-eyed
inscritible Orientals. 

A) does anyone believe the baby bayoneting nonsense?
B) does anyone credit this crap about shooting escapees? Okay, so they were 
shot. So what? This is war, man, not a game of snakes and ladders. There are
no rules.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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In article 
           bzs@world.std.com "Barry Shein" writes:

> You can't compare singular scientific reports, often with virtually no
> witnesses and only reporting events occurring in some lab, and 50
> years of the study of history and the thousands of pieces of evidence
> the Holocaust rests on; an event that personally affected millions of
> people many of whom are still alive.

The plethora of lies about the Holocaust has not only been documented but
has been documented by Court Historians, whose reaction is simply, yes, this
is inaccurate etc, then turn the other way. Some of them have even gone so far
as to endorse such lies for the consumption of the lay public, see for example
the Anti Nazi League's 1993 pamphlet HOLOCAUST DENIAL - THE NEW NAZI LIE	- which
is a tissue of lies from beginning to end yet is endorsed by David Cesarani
and the sap Martin Gilbert - the latter of whose gullibility was even condemned
by Gitta Sereny.
 
> By that reasoning I couldn't claim with certainty that World War Two
> occurred at all. 

A ridiculous hyperbolae and another straw man.
 
> There are mountains of books in the libraries providing guides through
> the primary evidence, and the primary evidence itself.

Ditto the mountains of books about flying saucers. Not for the first time
you are confusing quantity with quality. Wilfully I suspect.
 
-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:
> Al Baron, "Holocaust revisionist", calls a Jew who
> corresponded with him "Jew boy", and wrote that
> Jews are dumb.

You condemn other Revisionists for claiming Jews are so damned smart they
have virtually taken over the world, now you attack me for claiming they're
dumb. Be consistent.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Adolf Hitler - Racist?
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In article 
           bzs@world.std.com "Barry Shein" writes:

> Someone want to go over the Jesse Owens story again?

The Jesse Owen story is a damned lie and I've done the research on this.
The story was started by the Jewish-owned New York Times, hence my point
about racial hatred. Hitler wasn't accused in the first instance of insulting
Owens but another black athlete. At first Owens denied it but later realised
to go along with this piece of anti-German hate endorsed his lecture circuit
value. Incidentally, when Owens returned home he was sent in a segregated parade
through Harlem which was booed and hissed by the locals. His parents were also
snubbed at a hotel. Owens rightly condemned the Nazi attitude towards the Jews
but spoke favourably of Hitler and the Nazi treatment of the "Race Athletes".

What was that about the Revisionists being liars?



-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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In article <40ihn7$kk3@ixnews6.ix.netcom.com>
           forman@ix.netcom.com "Frank Forman" writes:

> My server has evidently not delivered all the
> postings on this thread, but it seems to me
> that we need agreement on the meaning of 
> "racist." In the last quote from Hitler,
> he says he is free of racial hatred but that
> he is opposed to racial intermarriage. I
> take this to mean that he thinks man's
> divisions into races is a splendid thing. So
> this makes him pro-race. On this account,
> someone who wanted to exterminate all races
> but one would not be a racist, as would someone
> who wanted to make the world into one race by
> repeated race-mixing.
> 
> You may be confusing racism with a belief in
> the superiority of one particular race. That is
> quite compatible with wanting other races on
> the globe.

The original meaning of the word racist (also the now more or less defunct 
racialist) was a belief in innate racial differences, often with a belief
in the superiority of (not always and only) the white race over others.

I find nothing the slightest bit hateful in this. By this definition 
Abraham Lincoln - the great emancipator - was a racist. As far as I know he
didn't engage in cross burnings of lynchings.


 
> Question for you: why is "the present enemy the
> white racists and nationalists"? 

The whole concept of racism is something that has been hijacked by socialists
and fellow travellers; this is something that is well documented. These people
portray themselves as the friend of the Black Man. In reality they are rats. 


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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In article <40ig1u$196a@news-s02.ny.us.ibm.net>
           gmcfee@ibm.net "Gord McFee" writes:
 
> Number 1 Al:  I challenge you to give the chapter reference for that quote, 
> which appears nowhere as you have quoted it in Mein Kampf.  Hitler's 
> annoyance was not with the slights of the Vienna press against Jews, but 
> rather against the fact that, as *he* saw it, they did not use scientific 
> "proof" in slighting Jews.

Oh yes it does. This is from page 39 of the James Murphy translation; the only
one approved by the author. I can't remember offhand but I think Hitler once
sued somebody in the United States over a bootleg edition.
 
> 
> [If you cut even cautiously into such an abcess, you found, like a maggot in 
> a rotting body, often dazzled by the sudden light--a kike.]

I haven't seen this edition and don't read German anyway. In the first place,
is it official? In the 2nd place, I must stress again what I actually said.
Hitler did not become anti-Jewish until he moved to Vienna. I do not condone
Hitler's anti-Semitism, I am simply making an historical point, ie that at one
time he said he had been fairly pro-Jewish. There's nothing at all controversial
about that. Mussolini was once a socialist.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: More nonsense - anti-Japanese hate propaganda
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In article 
           karlpov@access5.digex.net "Charles R.L. Power" writes:
> Might help if you would specify which Times you're talking about. There 
> are dozens of newspapers with that title.

THE Times. The one published in London.
 
> >A) does anyone believe the baby bayoneting nonsense?
> 
> Could you tell us why you consider it nonsense? Japanese soldiers 
> committed quite a few atrocities during WW2. Murdering "enemy" babies 
> would hardly be unique in the history of so-called humanity--I could give 
> you a few Bible cites on the practice (encouraging it!). As to the story 
> at hand, it sounds a bit like a wartime fantasy, but knowing some of the 
> things the Japanese soldiers did do during WW2, I wouldn't consider it 
> "nonsense", and I don't see why you do. Might be true, might not, and my 
> opinion of Japanese soldiers during WW2 wouldn't be substantially changed 
> one way or the other.

The wicked Hun were accused of this in World War One. The point I wanted to 
make was has it be verfied? You appear to believe not.

> >B) does anyone credit this crap about shooting escapees? Okay, so they were 
> >shot. So what?
> 
> First you seem to say that we shouldn't believe it, then that you do 
> believe it. Which is it? And to repeat your question, so what? I believe 
> a quarter of POWs taken by Japanese were killed one way or another, so 
> their shooting those attempting to escape is no big whoop.

No, that was badly phrased and I apologise: what I meant was, so what?


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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In article <40jgqj$30pk@news-s02.ny.us.ibm.net>
           gmcfee@ibm.net "Gord McFee" writes:

TESTAMENT OF ADOLF HITLER The Hitler-Bormann Documents 
February-April 1945, Edited by Francois Genoud, Translated 
>from  the German by Colonel R.H. Stevens, 
Introduction by H.R. Trevor-Roper, 
published by Icon Books, London, (1962). 

There is also a 1961 edition.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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In article 
           bzs@world.std.com "Barry Shein" writes:

  
> No Baron, you can't get away with just stating this axiomatically as
> if it were some sort of established fact.

It is a fact that even Exterminationist historians admit, although as 
David Cole points out their method of admission goes something like this:
Yes, Martin Gray's book is a ghost written fraud and the Revisionists are
liars.
Yes, Martin Gilbert was tricked by a con man and wrote up his nonsense
as an eyewitness account, and the Revisionists are liars, etc


> The Holocaust occurred as is generally believed.
> 
> No doubt, as with any huge and complex history, there are some
> falsehoods here and there.
> 
> *THAT* you think is a ridiculous hyperbola and a straw man? But you
> are happy to believe the Nazis did not commit mass murder against
> civilians in their camps given all the evidence?

My dear fellow, I have NEVER denied the fact that SOME Nazis committed
mass murder. What I do deny is that there is proof of anything more than
- quite appalling - war time atrocities. 

> >Ditto the mountains of books about flying saucers. Not for the first time
> >you are confusing quantity with quality. Wilfully I suspect.
> 
> And if there were no quantity of evidence I'm sure you'd leave that
> fact alone?
> 
> Not bloody likely.
> 
> The quality, and the quantity, are just fine.

The quality is not fine, the best witnesses, Vrba for example - see earlier
posting, as every bit as credible as flying saucer buffs.
 

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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In article <40jv9r$1el@access1.digex.net>
           mstein@access1.digex.net "Michael P. Stein" writes:
>      Actually, Al, I've gone to great lengths NOT to call you a liar - 
> confused, ignorant, illogical, yes, but I don't think you'll be able to 
> pull out any text where I call you a liar except when prefaced by a 
> phrase like "by the same reasoning you use to call X a liar" - meant 
> clearly not to call you a liar but to show that your argument is invalid.
> 
>     I would love to assess the evidence against the alleged genocide.  
> I've only been asking you for some for how long has it been?  So far what 
> I get is fog, mush, and "because I say so."  Specifics and evidence are 
> long past due.

Mike, I appreciate that, and even if you do call me a liar I believe that you
are an honest man. Your memory though is obviously every bit as poor as mine
because I've given you a lot of evidence of duplicity and lies such as my 
analysis of Hart, the admissions over the fakery of the naked women photo,
the misrepresentation of Dachau as a gassing centre, the War Refugee Board
Report and lots more.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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In article <40jvqk$1n7@access1.digex.net>
           mstein@access1.digex.net "Michael P. Stein" writes:
> >As stated, it's not that all these documents are forgeries, they
> >simply don't prove what you and others claim they prove.
> 
>     Let's see, "Vergasungskeller" does not mean "gassing cellar?"  OK, 
> what does it mean?
> 
>     Letters discussing the gas vans - even if genuine these do not prove
> gassing? 

We hear so much about these gas vans, but has anyone actually seen one?


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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In article <40is3q$kau@gwdu19.gwdg.de>
           uroessl1@gwdg.de "Roessler  Ulrich" writes:

> Alexander Baron  writes:

 
> Who has admitted what about the WRB-report? Please, explain and provide
> your evidence.

American journalists at the time. Staeglich and Butz have punched holes in it,
much that is in it contradicts Vrba's later testimony. Pressac does an 
analysis of it and finds in wanting, finally, Vrba himself is an admitted
liar. You are referred specifically to Michael Hoffman's book THE GREAT
HOLOCAUST TRIAL and to the videos - of Canadian TV coverage of the trial -
which were churned out by Zundel at the time. There are also one or two reports
in the Canadian press.

Oh yes, and after the trial, a Candian Jewish group admitted that in spite of
Zundel's conviction they would much rather the trial had not taken place.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: THE WITNESS THE REVISIONISTS CAN'T EXPLAIN
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In article <40juob$vs@access1.digex.net>
           mstein@access1.digex.net "Michael P. Stein" writes:

> In article <807908817snz@abaron.demon.co.uk>,
> Alexander Baron   wrote:
 
> >The barber in the gas chamber and everything?
> 
>     Suchomel was not the barber in the gas chamber.  He was an SS guard.  
> What I am suggesting is that at the very least, Suchomel is to be taken 
> seriously.
> 
>     You are running away from Suchomel as fast as you can, Al.  Do you
> think people don't notice this?

I'm not running away from it at all, Mike. I watched about half an hour
of SHOAH and I don't think that sort of thing is meant to be taken seriously.
 
>     You keep trying to change the subject to evade the question of why
> Suchomel, with no Soviet torturer and no German prosecutor standing over
> him, agreed to talk to private citizen Lanzmann.  Recorded by a secret
> camera, he repeated his confession under circumstances which make it
> impossible to explain away by the usual revisionist claim of torture and
> coercion. 

To what extent was this testimony uncoerced and without motive? Just because
somebody makes a confession doesn't mean it is true, Mike.

Sylvie de la Plaine confessed to having intercourse with the Devil. She said
that his semen was cold. Rabbi Jossel confessed to ritual murder without
torture. So what?

People have made far more prosaic confessions. Henry Lucas - the Highway
Fiend - confessed to about 200 murders, yet it was proved that he couldn't 
have committed about a dozen of them and he may not have killed anyone.

I have pointed out to you before that much as I enjoy our banter
I do subscribe to other newsgroups, and have other things to do. I simply 
cannot spend 3 or 4 hours a day replying to queries, and indeed my time
is shrinking at the moment, though I will continue to do my best.


Finally Mike, have you so soon forgotten our latest joust from private mail?
 
>     Vrba lied about having seen the events with his own eyes.  Yet this
> does not, by itself, prove that the events did not happen.  Yes, he may
> have made it up out of whole cloth.  But he may have sincerely believed
> that the events happened, and lied about seeing them simply to avoid
> having the report ignored as hearsay.

Vrba lied because he sincerely believed. Therefore what he said is true!
Oh boy!

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sun Aug 13 17:00:32 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Schwarzhuber Testifies About Gassing in Ravensbrueck
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:
 
> I guess it is too transparent a fabrication so most
> revisionazis avoid it. You see it happening all the time.
> They try something, it is exposed, and they switch to
> something else.

You took the words right out of my mouth, eg Harry Mazal's continued ducking
of the lies of Suzman and Diamond. I would appreciate more documentation on this
though because unlike you my mind is not closed. In my book REVISING THE 
REVISIONISTS I have documented David Irving's perjury at the Zundel trial
as well as his sexual habits.



-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sun Aug 13 17:00:35 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Abaron, aknave, afool
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In article 
           joelr@winternet.com "Joel Rosenberg" writes:

 
> As to the ADL, I understand why bozos like yourself find it inconvenient.  
> Fine by me.

I don't object, they have as much right to keep files on people as anyone
else. BUT, if you spy on people and smear them as anti-Semitic ad nauseum
at every opportunity, and if you fabricate smears against them, you have
no one but yourself to blame if they hate you.

Furthermore, by their actions, the ADL and similar organisations bring the
Jewish people as a whole into hatred and contempt.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sun Aug 13 17:00:38 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Schwarzhuber Testifies About Gassing in Ravensbrueck
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In article <40itfh$kk4@gwdu19.gwdg.de>
           uroessl1@gwdg.de "Roessler  Ulrich" writes:

> I apologize for the mis-information.

Your apology is accepted. How though do you explain the stories of 
people who claimed there were gassings in Buchenwald? Rassinier 
did much work on this.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sun Aug 13 17:00:42 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Acceptable proof
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In article 
           bzs@world.std.com "Barry Shein" writes:

 
> Although one's personal "bullshit meter", which it seems is what
> you're referring to here, has some value it's hardly definitive.  It's
> not like it's inconceivable to ask a bunch of people to strip down and
> go into a "shower", it hardly violates some law of physics or some
> such thing. You've not made your point at all.

To me it is all but inconceivable that 2,000 people, including rabbis, 
would strip off and march into a shower as described. This is a piece of 
surrealistic fantasy. 

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sun Aug 13 17:01:50 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Baron's e-mail to Alan Finkelstein
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In article <40kduj$1tka@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:
> 
> You're backpedaling, Al. You were quite unequivocal in stating that
> Hitler was not a racist. Not "at one time." Unless of course you are
> still maintaining that antisemitism does not fall under the common
> definition of racism.

I thought everbody knew that. To hear some Jewish organisations go on
you'd think anti-Semitism was the ultimate evil. There are many forms
of anti-Semitism, believing that the Jews control the media, instead of
just Hollywood, the New York Times and the Washington Post; believing that 
they control the banks - ie failing to realise that the Rothschilds, the 
Seligmans, the Kuhns and the Loebs were really Gentiles; believing communism 
to be Jewish etc in spite of the fact that Karl Marx, Trotsky, Bela Kun, 
Gus Hall, the Rosenbergs et al were not Jews.

"Racism" is generally associated with the belief that race exists and that some
races are superior to others, whatever superior means in this context. Obviously
most anti-Semites don't believe Jews are inferior in that sense, so anti-
Semitism is not racism.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Baron's e-mail to Alan Finkelstein
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In article <40keuf$e7e@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:

> Alexander Baron  wrote:
> 
> >Oh yes it does. This is from page 39 of the James Murphy translation; the only
> >one approved by the author. 

That is what the publishers claim. Historical Review Press. I bought it from
them donkeys years ago. They are Britain's leading anti-Semitic distributor
so should know. Of course they could be lying but I think it's most unlikely
in this case.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:
 
> # Or is he an arrogant and obnoxious Jew

> Here's just what I was talking about. Just look at this
> schmuck. He's preaching politeness and open-mindness, and
> a few lines later he attacks me because I'm a Jew...

He's not attacking you because you are a Jew, he's attacking you because
you are an arrogant and obnoxious Jew. Which is my opinion also. If you 
insist on denouncing people as scum simply because they refuse to take 
at face value every claim every Jew has ever made about the Holocaust just
because he is a Jew, you can't really object when you get a dose of your own 
medicine. Political and personal epithets are every bit as hurtful as 
racial ones, but just for the record: Sticks and stones...



-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Dachau gas chamber verified
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In article 
           karlpov@access5.digex.net "Charles R.L. Power" writes:
> This would appear to be fairly explicit. On what basis do revisionists 
> want us to believe that Smith's claims are inauthentic? Has Fred Leuchter 
> visited Dachau and given his expert opinion on that site as well?


It's very explicit. It's also wrong. I would suggest you contact Israel
Gutman and announce that you have made this remarkable discovery. There
are also photographs of Dachau gas chambers. They too are hoaxes to deceive
the credulous and the gullible, which at one time included most of the American
public. 

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Adolf Hitler - Racist?
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In article <40ihn7$kk3@ixnews6.ix.netcom.com>
           forman@ix.netcom.com "Frank Forman" writes:

> My server has evidently not delivered all the
> postings on this thread, but it seems to me
> that we need agreement on the meaning of 
> "racist." In the last quote from Hitler,
> he says he is free of racial hatred but that
> he is opposed to racial intermarriage. I
> take this to mean that he thinks man's
> divisions into races is a splendid thing. So
> this makes him pro-race. On this account,
> someone who wanted to exterminate all races
> but one would not be a racist, as would someone
> who wanted to make the world into one race by
> repeated race-mixing.
> 
> You may be confusing racism with a belief in
> the superiority of one particular race. That is
> quite compatible with wanting other races on
> the globe.

The original meaning of the word racist (also the now more or less defunct 
racialist) was a belief in innate racial differences, often with a belief
in the superiority of (not always and only) the white race over others.

I find nothing the slightest bit hateful in this. By this definition 
Abraham Lincoln - the great emancipator - was a racist. As far as I know he
didn't engage in cross burnings of lynchings.


 
> Question for you: why is "the present enemy the
> white racists and nationalists"? 

The whole concept of racism is something that has been hijacked by socialists
and fellow travellers; this is something that is well documented. These people
portray themselves as the friend of the Black Man. In reality they are rats. 


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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In article <40ig1u$196a@news-s02.ny.us.ibm.net>
           gmcfee@ibm.net "Gord McFee" writes:
 
> Number 1 Al:  I challenge you to give the chapter reference for that quote, 
> which appears nowhere as you have quoted it in Mein Kampf.  Hitler's 
> annoyance was not with the slights of the Vienna press against Jews, but 
> rather against the fact that, as *he* saw it, they did not use scientific 
> "proof" in slighting Jews.

Oh yes it does. This is from page 39 of the James Murphy translation; the only
one approved by the author. I can't remember offhand but I think Hitler once
sued somebody in the United States over a bootleg edition.
 
> 
> [If you cut even cautiously into such an abcess, you found, like a maggot in 
> a rotting body, often dazzled by the sudden light--a kike.]

I haven't seen this edition and don't read German anyway. In the first place,
is it official? In the 2nd place, I must stress again what I actually said.
Hitler did not become anti-Jewish until he moved to Vienna. I do not condone
Hitler's anti-Semitism, I am simply making an historical point, ie that at one
time he said he had been fairly pro-Jewish. There's nothing at all controversial
about that. Mussolini was once a socialist.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: More nonsense - anti-Japanese hate propaganda
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In article 
           karlpov@access5.digex.net "Charles R.L. Power" writes:
> Might help if you would specify which Times you're talking about. There 
> are dozens of newspapers with that title.

THE Times. The one published in London.
 
> >A) does anyone believe the baby bayoneting nonsense?
> 
> Could you tell us why you consider it nonsense? Japanese soldiers 
> committed quite a few atrocities during WW2. Murdering "enemy" babies 
> would hardly be unique in the history of so-called humanity--I could give 
> you a few Bible cites on the practice (encouraging it!). As to the story 
> at hand, it sounds a bit like a wartime fantasy, but knowing some of the 
> things the Japanese soldiers did do during WW2, I wouldn't consider it 
> "nonsense", and I don't see why you do. Might be true, might not, and my 
> opinion of Japanese soldiers during WW2 wouldn't be substantially changed 
> one way or the other.

The wicked Hun were accused of this in World War One. The point I wanted to 
make was has it be verfied? You appear to believe not.

> >B) does anyone credit this crap about shooting escapees? Okay, so they were 
> >shot. So what?
> 
> First you seem to say that we shouldn't believe it, then that you do 
> believe it. Which is it? And to repeat your question, so what? I believe 
> a quarter of POWs taken by Japanese were killed one way or another, so 
> their shooting those attempting to escape is no big whoop.

No, that was badly phrased and I apologise: what I meant was, so what?


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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In article <40jgqj$30pk@news-s02.ny.us.ibm.net>
           gmcfee@ibm.net "Gord McFee" writes:

TESTAMENT OF ADOLF HITLER The Hitler-Bormann Documents 
February-April 1945, Edited by Francois Genoud, Translated 
>from  the German by Colonel R.H. Stevens, 
Introduction by H.R. Trevor-Roper, 
published by Icon Books, London, (1962). 

There is also a 1961 edition.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sun Aug 13 19:20:42 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: A DAY AT AUSCHWITZ WITH DR
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In article 
           bzs@world.std.com "Barry Shein" writes:

  
> No Baron, you can't get away with just stating this axiomatically as
> if it were some sort of established fact.

It is a fact that even Exterminationist historians admit, although as 
David Cole points out their method of admission goes something like this:
Yes, Martin Gray's book is a ghost written fraud and the Revisionists are
liars.
Yes, Martin Gilbert was tricked by a con man and wrote up his nonsense
as an eyewitness account, and the Revisionists are liars, etc


> The Holocaust occurred as is generally believed.
> 
> No doubt, as with any huge and complex history, there are some
> falsehoods here and there.
> 
> *THAT* you think is a ridiculous hyperbola and a straw man? But you
> are happy to believe the Nazis did not commit mass murder against
> civilians in their camps given all the evidence?

My dear fellow, I have NEVER denied the fact that SOME Nazis committed
mass murder. What I do deny is that there is proof of anything more than
- quite appalling - war time atrocities. 

> >Ditto the mountains of books about flying saucers. Not for the first time
> >you are confusing quantity with quality. Wilfully I suspect.
> 
> And if there were no quantity of evidence I'm sure you'd leave that
> fact alone?
> 
> Not bloody likely.
> 
> The quality, and the quantity, are just fine.

The quality is not fine, the best witnesses, Vrba for example - see earlier
posting, as every bit as credible as flying saucer buffs.
 

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article <40jv9r$1el@access1.digex.net>
           mstein@access1.digex.net "Michael P. Stein" writes:
>      Actually, Al, I've gone to great lengths NOT to call you a liar - 
> confused, ignorant, illogical, yes, but I don't think you'll be able to 
> pull out any text where I call you a liar except when prefaced by a 
> phrase like "by the same reasoning you use to call X a liar" - meant 
> clearly not to call you a liar but to show that your argument is invalid.
> 
>     I would love to assess the evidence against the alleged genocide.  
> I've only been asking you for some for how long has it been?  So far what 
> I get is fog, mush, and "because I say so."  Specifics and evidence are 
> long past due.

Mike, I appreciate that, and even if you do call me a liar I believe that you
are an honest man. Your memory though is obviously every bit as poor as mine
because I've given you a lot of evidence of duplicity and lies such as my 
analysis of Hart, the admissions over the fakery of the naked women photo,
the misrepresentation of Dachau as a gassing centre, the War Refugee Board
Report and lots more.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sun Aug 13 19:20:48 PDT 1995
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In article <40jvqk$1n7@access1.digex.net>
           mstein@access1.digex.net "Michael P. Stein" writes:
> >As stated, it's not that all these documents are forgeries, they
> >simply don't prove what you and others claim they prove.
> 
>     Let's see, "Vergasungskeller" does not mean "gassing cellar?"  OK, 
> what does it mean?
> 
>     Letters discussing the gas vans - even if genuine these do not prove
> gassing? 

We hear so much about these gas vans, but has anyone actually seen one?


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article <40is3q$kau@gwdu19.gwdg.de>
           uroessl1@gwdg.de "Roessler  Ulrich" writes:

> Alexander Baron  writes:

 
> Who has admitted what about the WRB-report? Please, explain and provide
> your evidence.

American journalists at the time. Staeglich and Butz have punched holes in it,
much that is in it contradicts Vrba's later testimony. Pressac does an 
analysis of it and finds in wanting, finally, Vrba himself is an admitted
liar. You are referred specifically to Michael Hoffman's book THE GREAT
HOLOCAUST TRIAL and to the videos - of Canadian TV coverage of the trial -
which were churned out by Zundel at the time. There are also one or two reports
in the Canadian press.

Oh yes, and after the trial, a Candian Jewish group admitted that in spite of
Zundel's conviction they would much rather the trial had not taken place.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: THE WITNESS THE REVISIONISTS CAN'T EXPLAIN
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In article <40juob$vs@access1.digex.net>
           mstein@access1.digex.net "Michael P. Stein" writes:

> In article <807908817snz@abaron.demon.co.uk>,
> Alexander Baron   wrote:
 
> >The barber in the gas chamber and everything?
> 
>     Suchomel was not the barber in the gas chamber.  He was an SS guard.  
> What I am suggesting is that at the very least, Suchomel is to be taken 
> seriously.
> 
>     You are running away from Suchomel as fast as you can, Al.  Do you
> think people don't notice this?

I'm not running away from it at all, Mike. I watched about half an hour
of SHOAH and I don't think that sort of thing is meant to be taken seriously.
 
>     You keep trying to change the subject to evade the question of why
> Suchomel, with no Soviet torturer and no German prosecutor standing over
> him, agreed to talk to private citizen Lanzmann.  Recorded by a secret
> camera, he repeated his confession under circumstances which make it
> impossible to explain away by the usual revisionist claim of torture and
> coercion. 

To what extent was this testimony uncoerced and without motive? Just because
somebody makes a confession doesn't mean it is true, Mike.

Sylvie de la Plaine confessed to having intercourse with the Devil. She said
that his semen was cold. Rabbi Jossel confessed to ritual murder without
torture. So what?

People have made far more prosaic confessions. Henry Lucas - the Highway
Fiend - confessed to about 200 murders, yet it was proved that he couldn't 
have committed about a dozen of them and he may not have killed anyone.

I have pointed out to you before that much as I enjoy our banter
I do subscribe to other newsgroups, and have other things to do. I simply 
cannot spend 3 or 4 hours a day replying to queries, and indeed my time
is shrinking at the moment, though I will continue to do my best.


Finally Mike, have you so soon forgotten our latest joust from private mail?
 
>     Vrba lied about having seen the events with his own eyes.  Yet this
> does not, by itself, prove that the events did not happen.  Yes, he may
> have made it up out of whole cloth.  But he may have sincerely believed
> that the events happened, and lied about seeing them simply to avoid
> having the report ignored as hearsay.

Vrba lied because he sincerely believed. Therefore what he said is true!
Oh boy!

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sun Aug 13 19:20:58 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Schwarzhuber Testifies About Gassing in Ravensbrueck
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:
 
> I guess it is too transparent a fabrication so most
> revisionazis avoid it. You see it happening all the time.
> They try something, it is exposed, and they switch to
> something else.

You took the words right out of my mouth, eg Harry Mazal's continued ducking
of the lies of Suzman and Diamond. I would appreciate more documentation on this
though because unlike you my mind is not closed. In my book REVISING THE 
REVISIONISTS I have documented David Irving's perjury at the Zundel trial
as well as his sexual habits.



-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sun Aug 13 19:21:02 PDT 1995
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In article 
           joelr@winternet.com "Joel Rosenberg" writes:

 
> As to the ADL, I understand why bozos like yourself find it inconvenient.  
> Fine by me.

I don't object, they have as much right to keep files on people as anyone
else. BUT, if you spy on people and smear them as anti-Semitic ad nauseum
at every opportunity, and if you fabricate smears against them, you have
no one but yourself to blame if they hate you.

Furthermore, by their actions, the ADL and similar organisations bring the
Jewish people as a whole into hatred and contempt.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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Subject: Re: Schwarzhuber Testifies About Gassing in Ravensbrueck
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In article <40itfh$kk4@gwdu19.gwdg.de>
           uroessl1@gwdg.de "Roessler  Ulrich" writes:

> I apologize for the mis-information.

Your apology is accepted. How though do you explain the stories of 
people who claimed there were gassings in Buchenwald? Rassinier 
did much work on this.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Acceptable proof
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In article 
           bzs@world.std.com "Barry Shein" writes:

 
> Although one's personal "bullshit meter", which it seems is what
> you're referring to here, has some value it's hardly definitive.  It's
> not like it's inconceivable to ask a bunch of people to strip down and
> go into a "shower", it hardly violates some law of physics or some
> such thing. You've not made your point at all.

To me it is all but inconceivable that 2,000 people, including rabbis, 
would strip off and march into a shower as described. This is a piece of 
surrealistic fantasy. 

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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Subject: Re: Baron's e-mail to Alan Finkelstein
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In article <40kduj$1tka@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:
> 
> You're backpedaling, Al. You were quite unequivocal in stating that
> Hitler was not a racist. Not "at one time." Unless of course you are
> still maintaining that antisemitism does not fall under the common
> definition of racism.

I thought everbody knew that. To hear some Jewish organisations go on
you'd think anti-Semitism was the ultimate evil. There are many forms
of anti-Semitism, believing that the Jews control the media, instead of
just Hollywood, the New York Times and the Washington Post; believing that 
they control the banks - ie failing to realise that the Rothschilds, the 
Seligmans, the Kuhns and the Loebs were really Gentiles; believing communism 
to be Jewish etc in spite of the fact that Karl Marx, Trotsky, Bela Kun, 
Gus Hall, the Rosenbergs et al were not Jews.

"Racism" is generally associated with the belief that race exists and that some
races are superior to others, whatever superior means in this context. Obviously
most anti-Semites don't believe Jews are inferior in that sense, so anti-
Semitism is not racism.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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In article <40keuf$e7e@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:

> Alexander Baron  wrote:
> 
> >Oh yes it does. This is from page 39 of the James Murphy translation; the only
> >one approved by the author. 

That is what the publishers claim. Historical Review Press. I bought it from
them donkeys years ago. They are Britain's leading anti-Semitic distributor
so should know. Of course they could be lying but I think it's most unlikely
in this case.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:
 
> # Or is he an arrogant and obnoxious Jew

> Here's just what I was talking about. Just look at this
> schmuck. He's preaching politeness and open-mindness, and
> a few lines later he attacks me because I'm a Jew...

He's not attacking you because you are a Jew, he's attacking you because
you are an arrogant and obnoxious Jew. Which is my opinion also. If you 
insist on denouncing people as scum simply because they refuse to take 
at face value every claim every Jew has ever made about the Holocaust just
because he is a Jew, you can't really object when you get a dose of your own 
medicine. Political and personal epithets are every bit as hurtful as 
racial ones, but just for the record: Sticks and stones...



-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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In article 
           karlpov@access5.digex.net "Charles R.L. Power" writes:
> This would appear to be fairly explicit. On what basis do revisionists 
> want us to believe that Smith's claims are inauthentic? Has Fred Leuchter 
> visited Dachau and given his expert opinion on that site as well?


It's very explicit. It's also wrong. I would suggest you contact Israel
Gutman and announce that you have made this remarkable discovery. There
are also photographs of Dachau gas chambers. They too are hoaxes to deceive
the credulous and the gullible, which at one time included most of the American
public. 

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Tue Aug 15 14:00:57 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,talk.politics.misc,alt.revisionism,talk.politics.guns
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In article  snopes@netcom.com "snopes" writes:
> 
>    _They Never Said It_, Paul F. Boller, Jr. and John George, 1989.

I've read this book; it's very good.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: It's Whining Time, Or: a Double Standard (Re: Daniel Keren)
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In article 
           bzs@world.std.com "Barry Shein" writes:

 
> And if I called you a "lying and perfidious limey" your reaction
> wouldn't be that this is uncalled for? What if the comment came from
> an Irish nationalist?
> 
> You can't be this dense, Mr Baron.

I wouldn't take the slightest offence. Even coming from a damn Yankee.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: A DAY AT AUSCHWITZ WITH DR
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In article 
           bzs@world.std.com "Barry Shein" writes:
 
> Why do revisionists like to focus so much on the weakest evidence
> while assiduously ignoring the strongest?

You mean there is strong evidence? Vrba's testimony was considered the 
BEST until it was discredited.


> If ten people claimed they saw OJ Simpson murder his alleged victims
> and only two could have possibly been at the scene why would you spend
> all your time with the other eight? You'd simply dismiss them and
> focus on the two who likely were there.

If ten people said they say a dead man come to life, would you believe
any of them? Try reading Hume's OF MIRACLES. Much eyewitness testimony
falls into that category, or near enough.

Ironically, a while ago somebody in this newsgroup told me that "historians
don't work like that", ie they don't examine the best testimonies. 

> Just a few messages ago you asserted without the slightest bit of
> evidence or inkling as to what was on your mind that you simply
> believed that eyewitness account by a US Army physician who was
> present at Dachau at its liberation was simply false (the word you
> used was "hoax".) Why? You didn't say, you simply asked everyone to
> believe you that you knew better. 

The Dachau hoax is thoroughly documented; the fact that you are still
haggling about it rather than concede that you've lost this one shows
how desperate you are. See my new posting and appeal to Harry Mazal.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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In article <40mn5g$sci@access2.digex.net>
           mstein@access2.digex.net "Michael P. Stein" writes:
>     This is _not_ evidence.  I would much rather the trial had not taken
> place as well.  However, I object on free speech grounds. 


Read the analyses by Butz, Staeglich and Pressac. Compare the Auschwitz
story as told now with this report and Vrba's book. The WRB report is
not worth the paper it's printed on.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: THE WITNESS THE REVISIONISTS CAN'T EXPLAIN
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In article <40mnk0$si3@access2.digex.net>
           mstein@access2.digex.net "Michael P. Stein" writes:
 
> >>     You keep trying to change the subject to evade the question of why
> >> Suchomel, with no Soviet torturer and no German prosecutor standing over
> >> him, agreed to talk to private citizen Lanzmann.  Recorded by a secret
> >> camera, he repeated his confession under circumstances which make it
> >> impossible to explain away by the usual revisionist claim of torture and
> >> coercion. 

When I've studied it I'll get back to you but I'm not going to comment on
something like that without studying it.
 
> >To what extent was this testimony uncoerced and without motive?

I don't know. Pass.

>     Yet despite your libel of me as primarily interested in branding all 
> revisionists liars, I stand willing to address seriously any real 
> evidence you care to offer.  The problem is, you don't offer serious 
> evidence - you offer fog and mush instead of specifics.

I have not libelled you; you're one of the few people in this group I've 
got time for.
 

>     By the way, if any confession might be false, why do you believe
> without question Vrba's confession that he lied?   Your intellectual
> inconsistency is showing again.  Testimonies you don't like are dismissed 
> without rebuttal evidence, but testimonies you like are accepted without
> the same reservation.

Try reading what Vrba had to say. He admitted he lied under cross examination
when it was PROVED that he had lied.


> >>     Vrba lied about having seen the events with his own eyes.  Yet this
> >> does not, by itself, prove that the events did not happen.  Yes, he may
> >> have made it up out of whole cloth.  But he may have sincerely believed
> >> that the events happened, and lied about seeing them simply to avoid
> >> having the report ignored as hearsay.
> >
> 
>     Now, Al, your misinterpretation - which I admitted might well have
> been my fault - was explained to you in a prior email.  Yet you publicly
> posted that same misinterpretation AFTER it should have been cleared up. 
> Could you please explain how that happened?

It certainly was your fault, and is. Read that paragraph again. Vrba lied. He
didn't see this event, period. But he believed it happened and reported it
as if he had seen it. Ie he lied.

Incidentally, I did take a look at Sereny's book INTO THAT DARKNESS. Surprisingly
few references to the gas chambers in that, I thought. Or were they steam chambers??


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:
 
> Coming from a low-life scum like Baron, this is hardly
> an insult.

Baron = scum. Fine. 
 
> One only needs to read Baron's "there was nothing racist
> about Nazism" and "Jews are dumb" statements to see
> who we're dealing with here. As for his sanity, check
> out the claim that Holocaust witnesses cannon be trusted
> because some lady named Sylvie De la Paine said she
> had intercourse with the Devil, which "implies" that
> we cannot trust any eyewitness... seek help, Baron,
> you're crazy.

That was an analogy; I would have thought someone with a degree in 
computer sciences would have known that.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
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In article <40me5u$29a@gwdu19.gwdg.de>
           uroessl1@gwdg.de "Roessler  Ulrich" writes:

> On a more general line, in my notice, I alluded to the gassings of 
> mentally retarded and insane persons, and the selections of inmates 
> unfit for work in the KZs during the so-called '14f13'-action. 
> This is a possible answer for the 'stories'. And this is, 
> why I am interested in this connection. The gassings during 
> the "Euthanasia" action were widely known in Germany.

Yes, this does appear to be true, although I think the scale has been 
greatly exaggerated.
  
> I should remind you, however, that there are a lot of older questions
> in several threads here, which should be answered, before some
> new subjects may be addressed:

I'm sorry but I don't have as much time as you.
 
> Could you simply start to answer the questions about the 
> Wannsee-conference, and the protocoll? If need is I'll repost them.


Repost them.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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In article 
           joelr@winternet.com "Joel Rosenberg" writes:
 
> >Furthermore, by their actions, the ADL and similar organisations bring the
> >Jewish people as a whole into hatred and contempt.
> 
> Ah.  The old "the jews are responsible for anti-semitism" crap.  Can't you at 
> least be original in your jewhating?

If you really believe that the likes of Daniel Keren who go around branding
people scum simply because they question the holy writ of the Holocaust, 
and the likes of the JDL who attack people or who firebomb their 
premises, or the Mossad who have murdered innocent people on neutral soil,
if you believe that Jewish organisations that smear people left, right and
centre as anti-Semitic for condeming human rights abuses in Israel, if you
believe all these people and more do not bring hatred onto their own race,
then you really should see a shrink.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Acceptable proof
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In article 
           bzs@world.std.com "Barry Shein" writes:
 
> I know, there's this amazing and completely hermetically sealed
> conspiracy that makes such a statement, even one, impossible to exist.

You people love that word conspiracy. Again, I have never used that word,
nor have I ever attempted to authenticate the Protocols of Zion.

Nice try though.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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In article 
           schwartz@infinet.com "Sara aka Perrrfect" writes:
  
> Waht a scumbag.
>  
> And yes, Mr. Weyl is probably right. When Jews went south to help the
> integration movement, they probably pissed a lot of racists off by wanting
> to help black obtain equality. That would increase anti-Semitism, wouldn't
> it?

The Jewish "contribution" to the "civil rights" movement had nothing whatsoever
to do with Negro equality and everything to do with the unconditional hatred
of a certain type of Jew for the society he holds responsible for the historic
persecution of his race. Final Solution, "gas chambers" and all. Dr Weyl obviously
realises this and is to be applauded for his courageous book. If there were a
few more Jews like him and a lot fewer like you there would be no anti-Semitism
at all.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article <40oolq$3t8q@news-s02.ny.us.ibm.net>
           gmcfee@ibm.net "Gord McFee" writes:

> "It was and it is Jews who bring the Negroes into the Rhineland, always with 
> the same secret thought and clear aim of ruining the hated white race by the 
> necessarily resulting bastardization..."

Now that one I do remember. I wonder why he said it. Could it be that prior
to Franz Boas, the ADL and the appalling anti-white films churned out by 
Sidney Poitier some Jews were pushing race-mixing?

How about this one from a home grown "racist":

"in every quarter of the globe, in Asia, Africa, Latin America, and the 
United States, Bolshevik agitators whisper in the ears of discontented 
colored men their gospel of hatred and revenge. Every nationalist aspiration, 
every political grievance, every social discrimination, is fuel for 
Bolshevism's hellish incitement to racial as well as to class war."

Lothrop Stoddard, 1920. It is an indisputable fact that many of these Bolsheviks
were Jewish. Perhaps that had something to do with what Hitler said.



-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond
		


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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:


> Do you, Al Baron, believe that Soviet soldiers raped many women
> in Germany? Yes or no? 
> 
> If "yes", why don't you reject testimonies about these mass
> rapes, just like you reject testimonies about Nazi atrocities?

I haven't studied this subject so am not qualified to give an opinion on it.
I will say only that I would find it plausible that a lot of women were raped
because that's what tends to happen in war.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
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In article 
           karlpov@access5.digex.net "Charles R.L. Power" writes:
 
> But you assumed that descriptions of atrocities by Japanese soldiers, who 
> had an extremely well-documented propensity for gratuitous cruelty (a 
> racial characteristic, I hasten to add, of homo sapiens, relatively 
> recently bridled in some cultures in some circumstances), were false. Why 
> do you not assume that the rape stories were false? Why this waffling 
> about "difficult if not impossible to evaluate"? You don't hesitate when 
> Axis powers are involved--you instantly exonerate them. Why this double 
> standard?

You may not have noticed this Mike but at this very moment there is a 
"controversy" in the British media because certain arsehole politicians
and embittered ex-servicemen are pressing the Japanese to apologise for
World War Two. Frankly I don't see why the people who suffered 2 atom bombs
should have to apologise for anything.

And I am sick to death of the "anti-racist" media carping on about what 
slit-eyed sub-human monsters the Japanese are.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Al Baron on Nazism and Racism, II
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In article <9508142055.AA08618@lems24.lems.brown.edu>
           dk@lems.brown.edu "Daniel Keren" writes:


Actually Keren, the real reason I posted that Hitler was no racist comment
was to wind you up, as Mike Stein will confirm.

Having said that I stand by the substance of it. Hitler was no more bigoted
than the average white man. EXCEPT as far as the Jews were concerned.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Jewish Nazis
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In article 
           warren@nysernet.org "Warren Burstein" writes:

> You forgot to post why you think it's relevant to alt.revisionism.
> What bearing does it have on whether the Holocaust took place or not?

I was asked to post it by a friend. Revisionist History begin and end with
Holocaust Revisionism, by the way.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Adolf Hitler - Racist?
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In article <40psp6$14h@news.mdata.fi>
           kauhunen@mits.mdata.fi "Kari Nenonen" writes:
 do you mean to
> make the same observation? What about black sosialsts?  

I've met very few black socialists. Most of them have got more sense.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Believe us anyway. Or else we'll call you anti-Semitic
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> Anyway, it may have been an error to rely on
> eye-witnesses for recognizing a person after 40 years;
> but there is no proof nor indication that any witness
> intentionally "lied", what we see here is just another
> example of an "objective revisionist" in action.

Especially 15 perjured witnesses.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: The Dachau Gas Chamber
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In article 
           karlpov@access5.digex.net "Charles R.L. Power" writes:
 
> BTW, pardon me for coming in late, but precisely where has Lipstadt 
> denied that there were gassings in Dachau (as opposed to, say, reporting 
> that she has no convincing evidence that there were gassings--I assume 
> you can tell the difference between such statements).

If you can't prove a point, sow doubts. Hence Lipstadt also says there
is no real evidence that Jews were turned into soap or something like that.

 
> I still see no denial that there was a gas chamber at Dachau. There is, 
> as has been admitted all along, some doubt as to whether it was used, 
> although my default assumption on finding a gas chamber disguised as a 
> shower would certainly be that it was indeed used.


It wasn't disguised as a shower, what was shown at the time was an ordinary
shower and a delousing chamber. Anyway, let's cut the crap, we all know what
I'm talking about. The purpose of the gas chambers [sic] was allegedly to 
exterminate Jews as an alternative to shoot them. Were Jews "exterminated"
at Dachau?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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In article 
           rsavage@netcom.com "Rick Savage" writes:
 
>     "With gold we buy the most rebellious consciences, can 
> subsidized all state loans, and thereafter hold the states at our 
> mercy.  Already the principal banks, the exchanges of the entire 
> world, the credits of all the governments, are in our hands."  
> -Rabbi Reichorn

Rabbi Reichhorn didn't exist, you wanker.
 

>     "There is much in the fact of Bolshevism itself, in the fact that 
> so many Jews are Bolshevists.  The ideals of Bolshevism are 
> consonant with many of the highest ideals of Judaism."  -'Jewish 
> Chronicle', London, April 4, 1919

Totally out of context.
 
>     "The Bolshevist revolution in Russian was the work of Jewish 
> brains, of Jewish dissatisfaction, of Jewish planning, whose goal is 
> to create a new order in the world.  What was performed in so 
> excellent a way in Russia, thanks to Jewish brains, and because of 
> Jewish dissatisfaction and by Jewish planning, shall also, through 
> the same Jewish mental and physical forces, become a reality all 
> over the world."  -'The American Hebrew', Sept 10, 1920

What an incredible irony. I spent the morning at the Newspaper Library,
Colindale, and I looked this up. I couldn't find it last time I looked
for it, a year and more ago, and I couldn't find it today. What page
in the American Hebrew for September 10, 1920?

>     "We Jews, we, the destroyers, will remain destroyers forever.  
> Nothing that you will do will meet our needs and demands.  We 
> will forever destroy because we need a world of our own."  
> -Maurice Samuels, 'You Gentiles', p. 155, Harcourt, Brace. 1924

True
 
>     "We Jews, who have posed as Saviours of the World, we are 
> today nothing else but the world's seducers, its destroyers, its 
> incendiaries, its executioners."  -Oscar Levy

Yes, he was a white supremacist.
 
>     "The Jewish people as a whole will be its own Messiah.  It will 
> attain world dominion by the dissolution of other races, by the 
> abolition of frontiers, the annihilation of monarchy, and by the 
> establishment of a world republic in which the Jews will 
> everywhere exercise the priviledge of citizenship.  In this new 
> world order the children of Israel will furnish all the leaders 
> without encountering opposition.  The Governments of the 
> different peoples forming the world republic will fall without 
> difficulty into the hands of the Jews.  It will then be possible for 
> the Jewish rulers to abolish private property, and everywhere to 
> make use of the resources of the state.  Thus will the promise of 
> the Talmud be fulfilled, in which is said that when the Messianic 
> time is come, the Jews will have all the property of the whole 
> world in their hands."  -Baruch Levy, Letter to Karl Marx, 'La 
> Revue  de Paris', p. 574, June 1, 1928

Another well established fake.
 
>     "Some call it Marxism - I call it Judaism."  -Rabbi Stephen S. 
> Wise, 'The American Bulletin', May 15, 1935

Yet another fake, even Lincoln Rockwell admitted this.
 
>     "We must realize that our party's most powerful weapon is 
> racial tension.  By propounding into the consciousness of the dark 
> races that for centuries they have been oppressed by the whites, we 
> can mold them to the program of the Communist Party.  In 
> America we will aim for subtle victory.  While inflaming the 
> Negro minority against the whites, we will endeavor to install in 
> the whites a guilt complex for their exploitation of the Negros.  
> We will aid the Negroes to rise to prominence in every walk of 
> life, in the professions and in the world of sports and 
> entertainment.  With this prestige, the Negro will be able to 
> intermarry with the whites and begin a process which will deliver 
> America to our cause."  -Israel Cohen 'A Racial Program for the 
> Twentieth Century,' 1912, Congressional Record, p8557, 1957

Israel Cohen alias Eustace Mullins

Stop posting this crap and sod off back to United Nations Plaza, you odious
little hatemongering Zionist creep.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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In article <40s99n$1k8s@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:

> Alexander Baron  wrote:
> Of the two standard surveys of the Holocaust, Reitlinger mentions the
> War Refugee Report once and does not name Vrba (Rosenberg) at all, and
> Hilberg, in over 1200 pages names Vrba twice. So when, and by whom,
> was Vrba's testimony considered the "BEST" evidence? 

More than that. Reitlinger obviously went to some trouble to find this
guy after the first edition when he was anonymous. Curiously his name doesn't
appear in the index.
 
> And who was Vrba discredited by? Michael Hoffman's trashy little
> pamphlet "The Great Holocaust Trial"? Just overleaf from Hoffman's
> account of the "discrediting" of Vrba, I see the "discrediting" of
> Raul Hilberg. But all I can really see is Hoffman grasping at enough
> straws to build a couple of strawmen.

If you'd read the press reports and seen the TV coverage you wouldn't say that.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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In article <40r93n$fd8@gwdu19.gwdg.de> uroessl1@gwdg.de "Ulrich Roessler" writes:


> Indeed, and in the Zundel-trial, apparently, this was ably exploited. 
> Do you understand, why Vrba's account in 1944 had to go beyond 
> those things, he had learned as an eye-witness? 

He hadn't learnt zilch as an eye witness. He made it up.

>Do you understand, 
> that it might be allowed to lie, when trying to warn thousands of 
> people against imminent danger. 

You're assuming they were in danger. From extermination, that is.

> Do you understand, that the information gathered by Vrba and
> Wetzler relied on their relatively privileged position in Birkenau,
> and their contact with the resistance in the camp?

Vrba was so privileged he had his own room and carried on a love affair
in the camp, by his account.
 

> #                                                   The analyses by Butz
> #and later by Staeglich are irrefutable. In particular Staeglich points 
> #out that each part contradicts another. Staeglich is not at all convinced
> #that Vrba was even in Auschwitz, Butz seems to think he was. 
> #
> [..]
> #[End of quoted e-mail]
> 
> This is a self-refuting argument: what Butz and Staeglich say cannot
> be refuted, but their opinions are contradicing each other. 
> Actually, if those two pointers, applied by Mr.Baron here, had done 
> a little research, they would have found the files of the Gestapo in Lodz, 
> preserved at the Auschwitz museum, where the escape of Vrba (recte
> Rosenberg) and Wetzler are reported. [Ref. Danuta Czech's Calendarium
> on the Auschwitz-Birkenau camp, 7th april 1944] 
> The files where captured in Poland apparently.
> Who has now forged this piece of documentary evidence on Vrba? 

I said that Staeglich seems to think that Vrba wasn't in Auschwitz on account
of his testimony being so unbelievable. I certainly believe he was at Auschwitz,
but he obviously didn't see what he claimed to have seen.
 
> See above, Vrba was not in the _Sonderkommando_, so it is easily seen
> that he hadn't access to the crematoriums. 

Vrba was in the property department of the Sonderkommando; I think he
used that expression. Somebody did for sure.

> References? Is this Michael Hoffmann_square, who wasn't seen here anymore
> for some time? And do you really expect me to screen the Canadian press
> for references to the Zundel-trial? 

I think the Oklahoma bombing has turned Hoffman towards religion. I've seen
his latest newsletter and it is, well, bizarre.
 
-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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In article <40sibo$a02@gwdu19.gwdg.de> uroessl1@gwdg.de "Ulrich Roessler" writes:
 
> #Many Revisionists seem to claim, that the European Jews disappeared
> #due to 'normal' circumstances in war. Does such a deportation and
> #forced labour program belong to these 'normal' circumstances in your opinion?
> #That the deportation program was brought into action is easily
> #shown.

there were something like 30 million displaced persons in Europe at the
end of the war. That's just in Europe. When one takes into account that
many Jews perished and all the other logistics I think it is reasonable
to postulate that millions did apparently disappear.
 
> # 1. Why does Heydrich, according to the protocoll, speak about forced
> #    labour, which would cause a natural disappearance of the Jews, and
> #    the need to 'treat accordingly' the remaining Jews. (See below)

better still, why didn't he talk about gassing them if that is what he
intended to do.
 
> #    Keep in mind, that Eichmann testified in his trial, that in the
> #    part of the conference not covered by the protocoll, killing methods
> #    were discussed. Why did he confess this, if the conference was only
> #    about deportations? Actually, it was Eichmann, according to his own
> #    testimony, who wrote the protocoll.

I don't give any credibility at all to Eichman's testimony. None at all. Didn't
he say he had gone to Israel voluntarily?

> #>> 3) You claimed that the protocol of this conference 'has been
> #>> tampered' with. Could you be somewhat more specific? What parts
> #>> of it have been changed, and how do you know this? Please present
> #>> your evidence for that claim.

I'll have to look that up, but can't do that for a while yet.

 
> #The Nazis used indeed very often a camouflage language. Even here,
> #Heydrich indeed doesn't declare openly means and methods of the
> #mass-murders. One should keep in mind, however, that at that point
> #1941/42 outright murder was already an acknowledged method and fact
> #in the anti-Jewish policy of the Nazis.

There were still Jews in Berlin in 1943. Some were even sent to the 
(suposedly) privileged camp of Theresienstadt.
 
-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> If they were all just looking for some random guy to
> blame (and only a revisionazi nut would assume that
> they were), how come they all picked the picture of
> the same person?

Because they were schooled, dummy. Demjanjuk's supporters proved this in
1987. There was a forged ID card circulated. A lot of this was rehashed 
Soviet propaganda from the 1960s which was used in the West to discredit 
anti-Communist groups. It was simply recycled by the Wiesenthalers. Even
Organised Jewry in Britain didn't want anything to do with these scum, that's
how blatant it was.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Fri Aug 18 16:12:56 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: The Dachau Gas Chamber
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In article <40uesj$pkg@ixnews4.ix.netcom.com>
           cfree@ix.netcom.com "Charles Freedberg " writes:

 
>                     The report was prepared by: (exactly as listed in 
>             "SS DACHAU")
> 
>             Composition      -Major Alfred L. Howes, G-2 Sect, 7th Army
>             Art Work         -T/Sgt. John S. Denny,  G-2 Sect, 7th Army
>             Copy Preperation -T/3 Chas W. Denny, Jr, G-2 Sect, 7th Army
>             Photographs      -163d Signal Photo Company
>             Printing         -649th Engr Topo Battalion
>     

Yes, and it is nonsense from beginning to end. On whose affidavits is it 
based? What court proved it was used? Name one person who was "gassed" in it.
Show me one autopsy report. One.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Al Baron on Nazism and Racism, II
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

 
> Baron, BTW, completely ignored my article posted under the
> original title. I posted a document proving that Nazism
> had very much to do with racism. He simply ignored it.

No, I didn't. You're confusing anti-Semitism with something called 
racism. Whatever that is.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Fri Aug 18 22:28:02 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: A DAY AT AUSCHWITZ WITH DR
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In article <4106ks$lqe@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:
 
> >If you'd read the press reports and seen the TV coverage you wouldn't say that.> 
> Sorry I lived near enough to Toronto during the first Zundel trial to
> get local TV broadcasts as well as the national broadcasts and the
> Toronto papers, so I have seen the media coverage. Hoffman also
> reproduces some of the newspaper articles. So I stand by what I say:
> Hoffman's tract is junk.

Vrba admitted that he had not actually seen the "gas chamber" contradicting
the War Refugee Board report "nothing passed on from hearsay". He admitted
that he had reported 150,000 French Jews gassed whereas only about 70,000
had been deported. He admitted that his 1964 book - which is trash - was an
artistic impression rather than a serious work. And you say Hoffman's book
is junk?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sun Aug 20 02:42:55 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Schwarzhuber Testifies About Gassing in Ravensbrueck
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In article <41333f$1oka@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:

 
> Yeah, sure. One fifth of the displaced persons in Europe were the
> missing Jews and none of them could figure out how to get in touch
> with their families or establish their identities with the post-war
> authorities.

I know personally of at least 4 cases; obviously there are very many more.
Perhaps the International Tracing Service can fill you in on that.
  
> Michael Marrus (_The Holocaust in History_ Toronto, Lester and Orpen
> Dennys, 1987, chap. 5.) cites several studies of public opinion in
> Germany during the years of the persecution of the Jews. What seems
> clear for all regions of the country is that there was little strong
> popular support for the persecutions, and that in some parts of
> Germany there was hostility towards the persecutions. 

These "persecutions" were almost entirely economic. There were still private
Jewish banks in Germany up until 1938. When Jewish businesses were Aryanised
they often retained their old names to trade on the good will of their former
owners!
 
> Of course, there are the occasional boo-boos, like Rascher asking for
> permission to test gas weapons on the invalid transports at Dachau or
> calling one of the "morgues" at Auschwitz a Vergasungskellar.

And the other little mistake of calling an ordinary shower a gas chamber.

> Translation: "I read this in a pamphlet and don't really know."

Translation: unlike our overpaid academics I do not have infinite time to
potter around in the archive at public expense. I visit the Library two,
sometimes more times a week, but I have other things to do besides humour
you.
  
> >There were still Jews in Berlin in 1943. Some were even sent to the 
> >(suposedly) privileged camp of Theresienstadt.
> 
> Translation: "When in doubt, change the subject."

On the contrary, this is very much the same subject; you say a plan was
drawn up to get rid of all the Jews in January 1942, yet much later in the war
- until the end, I believe - there were still Jews in the capital itself.
I find that anomalous.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article <412nuf$lh6@ds2.acs.ucalgary.ca>
           bfreeman@acs4.acs.ucalgary.ca "Clyde Bruce Freeman" writes:

You forgot to mention that Dachau had a brothel. Perhaps Sonderbehandlung
was not always such a terrible thing!

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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In article <4130t5$25sq@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:

>All of Jewry is
> Organized--into synagogues, into communities, and, yes, into political
> organizations. "Organized Jewry" is pretty imprecise. And let's not
> forget your unfortunate words to Mr. Finkelstein. On the one hand we
> have these "Organized Jews" and on the other we have individual Jews
> whom you have called "Jew boy" and "yid." Why are you so surprised
> when people put two and two together and come up with four?

Not all of Jewry is organised into the ADL, the Wiesenthalers, AIPAC etc.
In any case, these people are not JEWS in any meaningful sense. They don't
pray three times a day in a synagogue, they are people who make a living out
of being Jews, lobbying for their beloved Israel and generally making life
hell for the rest of us. It has nothing to do with race, even less to do
with religion and everything to do with politics.

> I suppose that you think you are pushing your views on the Holocaust
> on a second front: you hold yourself out as this righteous guy who,
> simply for questioning the Holocaust, gets branded as an antisemite
> and that somehow this shows the emptiness of the historians'
> discussion of the Holocaust. The only drawback for you, of course, is
> that no one is fooled.

On the contrary, you are fooled. People tell you I am an anti-Semite and
you believe them like the fool you are.

> 
> Between that and your constantly shifting story on whether Hitler was
> a racist, one wonders why you bother with such transparent antics.

I was basically winding up Keren, but again I reiterate, Hitler hated Jews,
I find no evidence that he hated anyone else simply on account of their race.
That is not what is generally understood by the word "racism". Furthermore,
Hitler praised the Chinese and the Japanese so he was no white supremacist.
He was a murderer though, and should be condemned for that.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article 
           naafetee@hookup.net "Ross Hedvicek" writes:
> As a person whose relatives were in Dachau during the WWII - I feel that I am 
> quite qualified to proclaim here (with offense fully intended) that the guy 
> who put here that Dachau gas chambers were never used to kill people is 
> FUCKING ASSHOLE!!! I mean it!
> 
> and no! Do NOT have a nice day!

Your logic is even worse than your etiquette. If you had been there personally
you might have some right to make that claim, if you had investigated the matter.
In reality you are asking us to believe something because one of your relatives
was at a certain place at a certain time.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: [LONG!] The Lachout Document: Anatomy of a Forgery
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Excellent article. Is this available in hard copy? I congratulate you on
an impressive contribution to Historical Revisionism.

As this guy Lachout appears to have been at it for some time can we assume
that he duped Faurisson and company or should we be less charitable? More to
the point, why didn't this come out at the Zundel trial?

I was very disturbed to learn that it is illegal to be a Nazi in Austria; I
knew that but didn't realise just how Draconian the regime is.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: A Couple of Answers to M Stein, D Keren and Others
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In article <4130b9$66u@news.dknet.dk> olk@login.dknet.dk "Ole Kreiberg" writes:

There are 225 crematoria in Britain; about 640,000 deaths every year, 
including many burials. All the same, that does seem rather a lot for 
Birkenau. It did occur to me that one reason there might have been so many 
was because Hoess had taken a backhander from Topf and Sohne. 

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
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In article <412nuf$lh6@ds2.acs.ucalgary.ca>
           bfreeman@acs4.acs.ucalgary.ca "Clyde Bruce Freeman" writes:

You forgot to mention that Dachau had a brothel. Perhaps Sonderbehandlung
was not always such a terrible thing!

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
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In article 
           naafetee@hookup.net "Ross Hedvicek" writes:
> As a person whose relatives were in Dachau during the WWII - I feel that I am 
> quite qualified to proclaim here (with offense fully intended) that the guy 
> who put here that Dachau gas chambers were never used to kill people is 
> FUCKING ASSHOLE!!! I mean it!
> 
> and no! Do NOT have a nice day!

Your logic is even worse than your etiquette. If you had been there personally
you might have some right to make that claim, if you had investigated the matter.
In reality you are asking us to believe something because one of your relatives
was at a certain place at a certain time.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article 
           bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA "Les Griswold" writes:
> 
> Stick with me here, Bobby:
> 
> So the higher-ups in Nazidom were faggots, right?  And since the
> "holocaust" indisputably happened, that means that fifis organized it. 
> That means that homos are responsible for the (supposed) deaths of 6
> million jews!  Try spouting that around, then get back to me and tell me
> how many seconds it took for you to be called a "homophobe".

During the Weimar era, Marxists portrayed homosexuality as a Nazi perversion.
In the 1920s and 30s, Marxists in America believed that homosexuality would
wither away in the healthy new society of the future. It seems that Marxism
was once a respectable if terrible philosophy.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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In article 
           bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA "Les Griswold" writes:
> 
> Stick with me here, Bobby:
> 
> So the higher-ups in Nazidom were faggots, right?  And since the
> "holocaust" indisputably happened, that means that fifis organized it. 
> That means that homos are responsible for the (supposed) deaths of 6
> million jews!  Try spouting that around, then get back to me and tell me
> how many seconds it took for you to be called a "homophobe".

During the Weimar era, Marxists portrayed homosexuality as a Nazi perversion.
In the 1920s and 30s, Marxists in America believed that homosexuality would
wither away in the healthy new society of the future. It seems that Marxism
was once a respectable if terrible philosophy.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: The Dachau Gas Chamber
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In article <4135o1$kb0@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:

> Sorry, it's been so long since you said what Suzman and Diamond are
> supposed to have lied about that I've forgotten? What was it exactly?
> Did they say that people were gassed a Dachau?
> 
> If so, how is this a lie? The generally accepted conclusion is that
> gassing at Dachau is "not proved." 

Suzman and Diamond published a photograph which was captioned some of the
gassed, Dachau. This is a lie, the people in this photo were not gassed. 
They probably died from starvation and disease. If they were gassed, where
is the autopsy report, the definitive proof that will satisfy me?

They lied through their teeth, because like typical Zionists they have not
the slightest commitment to truth nor do they give a monkey's about tany
of the rest of mankind.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Al Baron - Mentally Retarded? (Re: Adolf Hitler - Racist?)
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In article <413cqr$e63@news-s02.ny.us.ibm.net>
           gmcfee@ibm.net "Gord McFee" writes:
> Hey, Al, if the shoe fits, wear it.  Did Hitler make the quotes about blacks 
> in Mein Kampf that I posted, or not?

I've already answered that. Yes. That doesn't mean he detested them, certainly
no more than any ordinary white man of that era. And probably a lot less than
most of you good ol' boys in the US ofA.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Baron on the Value of Testimony (Re: THE WITNESS THE REVISIONIS
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In article 
           karlpov@access5.digex.net "Charles R.L. Power" writes:
 
> When you first posted a message about the story on the Japanese 
> bayonetting babies during WW2, you entitled your post "More 
> nonsense - anti-Japanese hate propaganda", and you asked "A) does
> anyone believe the baby bayoneting nonsense?", as well as 
> suggesting that the story was inspired by the "demonising of 
> these slant-eyed inscritible [sic] Orientals." In other words, 
> you were a hell of a lot quicker on the trigger than you show 
> yourself now vis-a-vis the U.S. Cavalry on the *identical*
> atrocity story.

No one is trying to demonise the US cavalry; there has been a lot of
hysteria in the British press against Japan of late. I don't know what's
happening in the USA.
 

> Now, once again, Al, can you be honest enough to admit you
> demonstrate a double standard here, and can you explain the cause
> of this double standard?

No double standard; if the Times is going to make allegations of that sort it
should be specific, ie what, who, when and where, and who investigated it, etc.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: The confessions of SS men: only an anti-Semite would not believe them
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Below is further proof of Baron's obsessive anti-Semitism. For surely
only an anti-Semite would cast doubt on these extremely reliable and
thoroughly documented figures?


$Concentration camp OSWIECIM-BRZEZINKA (AUSCHWITZ-BIRKENAU) BASED 
ON DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE AND SOURCES$, by Jan Sehn.

"Altogether, some four million human beings met their death at 
Oswiecim", from page 9 of the $FOREWORD$ by Janusz Gumkowski

one SS man, Palitsch, is said to have admitted that 
he had personally shot 25,000 people at Oswiecim. This is not a 
typo! Over 5 years, this is 25,000 / (365 X 5) = 13.69 per day, 
or more than one person every two hours! If he worked a five day 
week we would be looking at 25,000 / (261 X 5) = 19.15, or nearly 
one per hour!

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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Subject: Re: A DAY AT AUSCHWITZ WITH DR
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In article <413dc4$1g4s@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:
> Hilberg "admitted" that he knew of no scientific study done to
> determine the cause of death of any gassed inmate. How one does
> autopsies on incinerated bodies is beyond me, 

Well, there were lots of "gassed" corpses lying around at Dachau. (In fact
there was a lot of lying per se at Dachau). Perhaps they could have done
an autopsy or two on them. Why don't you ask Harry Mazal why they didn't?

> think it significant that none were done. As to Vrba's "admission"
> that his book was not a serious work, Hoffman quotes him as saying
> that it was "not a document for the court." That's a little different,
> isn't it?

Have you read Vrba's book? How anyone could take that trash seriously is
beyond me. I guess it shows how desperate you people are. I'm not so
desperate that I have to endorse any crap, as my public disavowal of the
Mueller document proves.
 
> Hoffman's pamphlet is a lot of over-the-top rhetoric about the brave
> "young German immigrant" who "takes on the entire Canadian
> Establishment" and ends up in the "Ontario gulag." 

True, but it was Zundel in the dock, not his accusers.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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In article <4134gi$aka@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:
> I believe that would put Vrba in the "Canada" group which unloaded the
> trains and confiscated the luggage and valuable of the transportees.

I've just re-read Vrba's affidavit; he says he worked in the Sonderkommando
Property Department. If you want to play semantics, take it up with him.
 Whether Vrba

> actually witnessed a gassing is irrelevant since it doesn't take a
> rocket scientist to figure out that if thousands of people go to a
> crematorium and don't come out they have probably been killed.

I note the word PROBABLY. By the same token it doesn't take a rocket
scientist to work out that if a hundred people enter a hospital they
must be sick. They could though all be healthy doctors. What you are
saying is that Vrba claims to have seen thousands of people go into, 
or near a crematorium, therefore they were gassed. Bear in mind that this
was the man who reported that 150,000 of the 70,000 Jews deported from 
France had been gassed. That last sentence is not a misprint
 
> Of course, Al Baron will not believe any witness until we can find
> someone--a non-Jew preferably--who was actually gassed, took a film
> and sound recording, came back to life, and has an affidavit from God
> testifying to his honesty.

Actually I have read the testimony of one Jew who claims to have been gassed
and I still don't believe her testimony!


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Adolf Hitler - Racist?
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In article <4159fj$3d7v@news-s02.ny.us.ibm.net>
           gmcfee@ibm.net "Gord McFee" writes:

> :>Now that one I do remember. I wonder why he said it. Could it be that prior
> :>to Franz Boas, the ADL and the appalling anti-white films churned out by 
> :>Sidney Poitier some Jews were pushing race-mixing?
> 
> Hello?  I have not seen too many examples of Jews pushing race mixing, but 
> perhaps you have some sources for this.


You're joking of course. How about the Boas school of "cultural anthropology"
which was virtually all Jewish; how about the NAACP which was at one time 
Jewish from top to bottom; how about some of the anti-white hatred and poison
spewed out by Jewish owned studios in Hollywood; how about the Jewess -
Ester Brown who was the real prime mover behind Brown v Topeka; how about
the Searchlight Organisation in the UK; how about the activities of the 
Board of Deputies of "British" Jews. Are you serious?


> Hitler was speaking of the enemy (the French) whom he called Jews because 
> Hitler's enemies were almost always called Jews.  The point though is that he 
> spoke of a plot ot bring Negroes into the Rhineland to result in 
> "bastardization" of the white race.  Since Jews are members of the white 
> race, that seems like a rather silly claim.  

The interpretation may be "silly"; the facts speak for themselves.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: The Dachau Gas Chamber
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In article <416hrl$bpi@nimitz.fibr.net>
           Harry W. Mazal OBE "hmazal@txdirect.net, San Antonio, Texas" writes:

  
> >  Now one more time, Harry Mazal. Did Suzman and Diamond lie or did they not?
> 
> They did not.   They published pictures of  piles of corpses. The corpses were
>  in and around a 
> gas chamber. The gas chamber is and was real. There is published evidence that
>  the gas chamber 
> was used, and equally published evidence that it was not.    It is, however, a
>  moot point whether 
> the corpses were there as a result of inhalation of poisonous vapors or
>  premeditated mistreatment.
> One corspe is as dead as another.

No Harry, Suzman and Diamond claimed that the corpses had been gassed. Show me
an autopsy report.

I presume now that you have finally conceded - albeit ungracefully - that the
documents I sent you were not forgeries.

> Mr. Baron claims to have answered the question asked several times. He has not.
> 
> The question is: "Is there a gas chamber in Dachau?"  Yes or no?

And I have given you my truthful, honest answer: I have seen photographs of
a delousing chamber and of a shower bath which were captioned gas chambers.
I have not seen a real gas chamber in Dachau and do not believe that there was
one. There is testimony that there was, but I believe this to be fraudulent
with good reason. Incidentally, the leading anti-Revisionist Pressac says
much the same thing in his book TECHNIQUE AND OPERATION... He puts this 
wilful misrepresentation down to sloppy reporting by war correspondents. A
likely story.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Schwarzhuber Testifies About Gassing in Ravensbrueck
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In article <415c4b$9ha@nanaimo.island.net>
           kmcvay@nanaimo.island.net "Ken McVay" writes:
> and a host of others, you have discovered FOUR.
> 
> Where are the remaining eleven+ million, Mr. Baron?

I didn't say I had discovered 4, I said I knew of 4. I have no doubt  that
the International Tracing Service et al know of a lot more.
So its 11 million now, is it?
 
> Does Mr. Baron now mean to suggest, by his use of quotation marks, that
> persecution did not occur? That racial laws did not exist for non-economic
> reasons?

No, what I meant to imply was that I would rather have been a Jew in Nazi
Germany than a Palestinian in modern Israel. At least the Nazis didn't shoot
your children. 

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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Subject: Re: Schwarzhuber Testifies About Gassing in Ravensbrueck
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In article <415jsl$ocs@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:
 
> There were over two hundred anti-Jewish laws and decrees enacted in
> Germany between 1933 and 1940. A select list follows. Do tell us, Al,
> which of these did no harm to Jews.

The law that protected the Zionist flag. 


Try these  from the contemporary Jewish Chronicle


IN THE LAW COURTS... reported decisions for and against Jews

>several partners in a textile firm applied to the High Court to excluded 
Jewish partners. Court gave judgment in their favour, but the Supreme Court 
overruled the decision!

A Jew and an Aryan girl were charged with living together. They were 
acquitted "after a declaration made by both of them that they had intended 
to get married."  their landlord was fined 50 marks!

An Aryan girl dismissed by her employer for refusing to part with 
her Jewish fiance sued and was awarded damages

The Labour Court in Berlin ruled in favour of a Jew dismissed without notice 
simply because he was a Jew and awarded him  months' wages.




-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: [LONG!] The Lachout Document: Anatomy of a Forgery
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In article <415cmv$a1d@nanaimo.island.net>
           kmcvay@nanaimo.island.net "Ken McVay" writes:
> Contact the Austrian Resistance Archives in Vienna for a copy.

What's their address?
 
>(Does your
> comment about a "contribution" to historical revisionism imply that the DOEW
> report is false? If so, what is your basis for that assertion?)

No, as you have exposed an historical lie, you are now a Revisionist Historian
in the broadest sense. Don't forget that Revisionism doesn't begin and end with
denying the gas chambers [sic].


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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Subject: Re: A Couple of Answers to M Stein, D Keren and Others
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In article <415kue$1to8@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:
 It is getting awfully tedious asking this, but do have any
> evidence for such a claim or do you just shit on a plate and serve it
> up here? Do you know who negotiated the contracts with Topf? It wasn't
> Hoess.

That was intelligent speculation. If policemen didn't speculate how many arrests
would they make? If scientists didn't speculate, would the wheel have been 
invented?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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Subject: Re: Holocaust Denial (Re: The Dachau Gas Chamber exposed!)
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In article <416qur$mtl@inforamp.net> cpn@euphoria.com "Marc Lemire" writes:
> ># I am an admirer of Adolf Hitler.  I embrace National Socialism.
> ># I would do so even if the Holocaust *were* fact, which I honestly
> ># believe it is not.  I would do so even if Hitler and his system
> ># had killed *60* million Jews.
> >
> >
> >
> >A true classic of "Holocaust revisionism", isn't it?

The guy sounds more like an ADL agent to me.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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In article <415c1c$jlg@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com>
           forman@ix.netcom.com "Frank Forman" writes:
> 5. Revisionists (and everyone else) should 
> openly admit it when they are wrong, even
> if this is expecting a great deal from human
> nature as we know it. But admitting you are
> wrong greatly increases your credibility.
> It may also lead others to suspect that, if
> you were such a fool about some things, you
> may be foolish about other things, too! It's
> a toss-up.

I always do; I am extremely annoyed about the Lachout document. The Anne
Frank story doesn't sound quite believable, but save for the heavy editing
of the various editions, there is no doubt in my mind that she did write the
book.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sun Aug 20 14:08:46 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Baron and the Witnesses
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Here is another strikingly sincere piece of witness testimony. Doesn't
this entirely voluntary confession convince you, Dr Keren?


$CHASING SATAN An Investigation into Satanic crimes against child-
ren$, by Dianne Core with Fred Harrison, published by Gunter 
Books, London, (1991). 


page 88 "HOW MANY human sacrifices take place each year, and is 
the very idea a credible one?"

page 89 "...most of the live sacrifices are babies born to the 
teenage daughters of satanists, to provide the foetal eucharists 
for anti-Christ covens." she concludes that 4,000 a year "while 
not proven, is not statistically absurd." She uses some bizarre 
arithmetic and logic to arrive at this figure. The estimate comes 
>from  a Dr Ken McAll, a former medical missionary to China.

page 91  "TERESA was a breeder. Her babies were taken from her 
and ceremonially sacrificed to Satan."
"She told me of the multiple rapes; of her seven pregnancies, 
most of which were terminated by members of her coven, the foe-
tuses used for cannibalistic rituals."
Core says she referred the girl to a good psychiatrist.

page 92 Ian Leslie - a reporter of 27 years experience

page 92 reports the murder of a tramp
"He was cut from his throat down to his stomach. And they ate 
him, little bits of him."

page 93 
Ian Leslie: There were doctors there at the house? 
Teresa: Yea, there were two, I think. Yea, and a nurse.
Ian Leslie: What would happen to the foetuses, the unborn babies?
Teresa: They used to be taken away most of the time. And one time 
the baby was taken out of me and then killed in front of me 
because it was still alive.   
Ian Leslie: And then what would happen?
Teresa: What, after they had killed it? They would eat it. We 
were also made to eat it.    
Ian Leslie: You were made to eat your own foetus?
Teresa: Yea.
Ian Leslie: Who made you do this?
Teresa: My Nan.

page 94 Inspector Christopher Horne - a London detective - is 
said to have endorsed Core, and Teresa.

page 95 a trial was scheduled to open at the Old Bailey, April 
12, 1989. It resulted in no evidence being submitted by the CPS.

page 95 the CPS said nobody disbelieved the girl; Core seems to 
interpret this as "We believe these events happened".

page 95 two of the girl's uncles had been charged with rape and 
her "Nan" faced a specimen charge of procuring an abortion

page 96 Core said there was evidence that the girl had been 
pregnant at least once

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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In article <417cjs$2i18@news-s02.ny.us.ibm.net>
           gmcfee@ibm.net "Gord McFee" writes:
> Ernst Zundel is no coward?  This is the same guy who goes down the street 
> wearing a hard hat, surrounded by all sorts of big, blond bozos, and usually 
> grants "interviews" from behind a door? 

Listen you moron, I've been to the UK headquarters of Imperial Zion, the 
Board of Deputies of "British" Jews, they've got more security there than
at Scotland Yard, yet the only terrorist attacks there have ever been on
Jews in this country have been related to the Middle East. So don't call 
Zundel a coward.

I've seen some of the scum and riff raff who attacked Zundel and his supporters
and they didn't look much like a persecuted people to me.
 
> Zundel, who propagated the book "The Hitler We Loved"?  Who is one of the 
> biggest publishers of Nazi hate literature in the world?  This is the poor 
> guy that was "persecuted"?  You make *me* want to puke when you spread that 
> rubbish around, Al.

I haven't read that Hitler book so can't comment. Zundel though is a publicist,
and he seems to have done a pretty good job.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Mon Aug 21 12:23:53 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: The confessions of SS men: only an anti-Semite would not believe them
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In article <417ctq$4j4@access2.digex.net>
           mstein@access2.digex.net "Michael P. Stein" writes:

 
> >$Concentration camp OSWIECIM-BRZEZINKA (AUSCHWITZ-BIRKENAU) BASED 
> >ON DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE AND SOURCES$, by Jan Sehn.
> 
>     "Is said to have admitted."  Said by whom?

This comes from the above book by Jan Sehn, who was a judge, Mike.
This is an official publication, and shows typical communist disrespect 
for truth.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Mon Aug 21 12:23:58 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: The confessions of SS men: only an anti-Semite would not believe them
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In article 
           karlpov@access5.digex.net "Charles R.L. Power" writes:

> Given the fact that Oswiecim/Auschwitz specialized in another killing 
> methodology, I'd have my doubts about this story as well, but certainly 
> not because there was any physical impossibility.

I didn't say it was physically impossible, but just because something is
physically possible and somebody "confessed" to it doesn't mean it 
happened. Now if you want to talk about something that was not 
physically possible...

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.revisionism,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Israeli Civil War: Controlled Media
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In article <9508201437.AA20730@icis.on.ca>
> I am writing to you from Jerusalem because you may not be aware of
> some of the events that have transpired over the past week.  My letter will
> have little to do with politics.  Rather, it will relate to some of the most
> basic democratic rights, which most of us take for granted.  It is a story
> which you probably have not read yet in the media, but one which
> desperately needs to be appearing there.
> 
> You may not even believe the story which I am about to recount to you. 
> I am not sure I would, had I not been there to witness it.  

Is this guy trying telling us that the Jews control the Israeli media and
that they censor atrocities? What nonsense. Obviously another anti-Semite.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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In article <417cjp$2i18@news-s02.ny.us.ibm.net>
           gmcfee@ibm.net "Gord McFee" writes:

> What then is your answer to the several quotes I have posted from Mein 
> Kampf that belie your statement in respect to blacks?  

I believed I've answered that. Hitler believed blacks to be inferior, that 
doesn't mean he hated them. Furthermore, Mein Kampf was written in 1923 or there
abouts. He may well have changed his mind about them and become more moderate;
don't forget, he was once a philo-Semite.



-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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In article <417dvg$54l@access2.digex.net>
           mstein@access2.digex.net "Michael P. Stein" writes:

> In article ,
> Les Griswold  wrote:
> >So, we are supposed to be impressed by ANYTHING that "da Marxists" say? 
> 
>     So, are we supposed to be impressed by anything Les "Hitler was tall
> and blonde, some old German told me so" Griswold says? 

Anyone who hates faggots is all right in my book.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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In article 
           karlpov@access5.digex.net "Charles R.L. Power" writes:
>                                             there has been a lot of
> >hysteria in the British press against Japan of late. I don't know what's
> >happening in the USA.

Well, there has been a lot of bollocks about making the Japanese apologise
for their war-time atrocities. I don't happen to believe that the people who
suffered Hiroshima and Nagasaki have to apologise for anything. 


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article <412nuf$lh6@ds2.acs.ucalgary.ca>
           bfreeman@acs4.acs.ucalgary.ca "Clyde Bruce Freeman" writes:

You forgot to mention that Dachau had a brothel. Perhaps Sonderbehandlung
was not always such a terrible thing!

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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In article 
           naafetee@hookup.net "Ross Hedvicek" writes:
> As a person whose relatives were in Dachau during the WWII - I feel that I am 
> quite qualified to proclaim here (with offense fully intended) that the guy 
> who put here that Dachau gas chambers were never used to kill people is 
> FUCKING ASSHOLE!!! I mean it!
> 
> and no! Do NOT have a nice day!

Your logic is even worse than your etiquette. If you had been there personally
you might have some right to make that claim, if you had investigated the matter.
In reality you are asking us to believe something because one of your relatives
was at a certain place at a certain time.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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In article <9508201437.AA20730@icis.on.ca>
> I am writing to you from Jerusalem because you may not be aware of
> some of the events that have transpired over the past week.  My letter will
> have little to do with politics.  Rather, it will relate to some of the most
> basic democratic rights, which most of us take for granted.  It is a story
> which you probably have not read yet in the media, but one which
> desperately needs to be appearing there.
> 
> You may not even believe the story which I am about to recount to you. 
> I am not sure I would, had I not been there to witness it.  

Is this guy trying telling us that the Jews control the Israeli media and
that they censor atrocities? What nonsense. Obviously another anti-Semite.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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In article <4188q6$j5k@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:

> Are we talking about Dachau? I thought Vrba's material had to with
> Auschwitz. I thought that part of Hilberg's testimony had to do with
> Auschwitz. Please stick to the subject. Otherwise its like arguing
> with a child.

No, the subject is gassing; I will accept an authenticated autopsy report
>from  either Auschwitz or Dachau.
 
> 
> I have not read Vrba's book and I probably won't. I guess it shows how
> desperate we all are that neither Hilberg nor Reitlinger makes more
> than a passing reference to Vrba and that I have never relied on Vrba
> at all to make my case here. I would never suggest that you might be
> desperate enough to repeatedly suggest that Vrba is the be all and end
> all of evidence when no one but you suggests that. Merciful heavens, I
> would never want to accuse you of knocking down strawmen.

Vrba is the BEST witness, or one of the best two or three. Read his book then
tell me that you believe any of it.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Schwarzhuber Testifies About Gassing in Ravensbrueck
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In article <41890t$j5k@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:
> I see. Are you now arguing that there were no Einsatzgruppen killing
> squads, or that if there were, they never shot children? Or is it that
> they didn't shoot German children and somehow Ukrainian children don't
> count?

No, I have documented in my book the fact that prior to about 1941 - in
which many atrocities were committed on both sides - the Nazis never shot 
Jewish kids. Unlike the Israelis have in peace time. Not that these Hamas 
fanatics are any better; I think there's going to be a bloodbath there soon.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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Subject: Re: Schwarzhuber Testifies About Gassing in Ravensbrueck
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

 
> The witness tells how he hid in the bushes and saw that the Gypsies
> were beaten as they were herded onto the trucks and driven off to the
> gas chambers. Then the SS men searched the barracks and dragged out
> about six children between the ages of four and seven.
> 
> "They were brought before Boger, who first trampled on them, then
> grabbed their little legs and smashed their heads against the wall".

And then the Jews sang the Polish national anthem in the gas chamber after
the extremely attractive Jewess from France had done a strip tease for the
SS men. Grow up Keren, you've got a PhD, you can't be that gullible.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Tue Aug 22 21:03:50 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: The Dachau Gas Chamber
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In article 
           karlpov@access5.digex.net "Charles R.L. Power" writes:

> I quoted a book by a U.S. Army officer who was on the scene, and told of 
> a gas chamber disguised as a shower. Do you believe he was lying? If so, 
> why? I guess it all comes down to the same question: Why do you dismiss 
> the mountains of evidence for the Holocaust as forged or faked?

Yes, I do believe he was lying, or more likely that he wrote down rumour
and nonsense and palmed it off as fact. I do not dismiss the mountains of 
evidence for the Holocaust as faked and or forged, my argument is with the
interpretation of the evidence.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: The Dachau Gas Chamber
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:
> Does anyone know if such a thing can be proven by an
> autopsy? Was an autopsy conducted at all? If gassing
> can be proven by an autopsy, how long after death will
> that still be possible?

Forensic science could prove such a thing even then; the reason there is no
such autopsy report proving people were gassed is obvious.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: The Dachau Gas Chamber exposed!
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In article 
           staff@rabbit.augs.se "Staffan Friberg" writes:
 
> And how, pray tell, do you know this, Mr. Baron?
> 
> There is, supposedly, a document telling about a brothel in Auschwitz but I
> didn't know one existed in Dachau.

I found it in a non-Revisionist book.
 
> Can you come up with a source for this and tell us why it is different from the
> documents that tell about, for example, mass gassings?
> 
> What if the two are in the same document? Should we believe the part about
> the brothel and dismiss the part about mass murder as lies? If so, why?

That's a good point; tell you what, I'll concede the book lied about the
brothel if you concede that the same book lied about the gas chamber. Fair
trade?



-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article <4198mb$845@grivel.une.edu.au> ibokor@metz.une.edu.au "ibokor" writes:

> 
> "Racism 1936 [f. RACE sb + -ISM; cf Fr, racisme] The theory
> that distinctive human characteristics, abilities, etc. are
> determined by race."
> 
> Quoted from page 2654 of Volume II of "The Shorter Oxford
> English Dictionary" (1982).

If that is true then I don't see what all the fuss is about. Nothing there
could offend a reasonable human being. A socialist, yes, but no one else.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Schwarzhuber Testifies About Gassing in Ravensbrueck
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I am inclined to believe that people were murdered by phenol injections,
whether as "mercy killings" or something less "humane". I wouldn't give 
any credence to the figures though.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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In article <418bmm$10u4@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:

> Alexander Baron  wrote:
> 
> [of several anomolous decisions in the enforcement of anti-Jewish laws
> in Germany 1933-1938]
> 
> These sound vaguely familiar, like some of the things Hilberg lists
> when the judiciary was still half-heartedly resisting implementing the
> laws. But, alas, I cannot verify whether you have represented them
> accurately, whether they represent anomolies in the system, or whether
> the "contemporary Jewish Chronicle" saw them as small victories in an
> otherwise hopeless struggle.
> 
> How about this? Tell me:
> 
> Name of Journal. Place of publication. Date. Page.

I wouldn't lie to you, John. This was actually in the Jewish Chronicle.
Trust me.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article <41b0p6$74k@decaxp.harvard.edu>
           staloff@scunix4.harvard.edu "Mark Staloff" writes:
> Really, Alex, it's OK.  No one will suspect a thing if you keep a low 
> profile and stick to the dark theatres, but if you go around shouting "I 
> hate faggots!" people are going to start wondering what motivates you so.


I've heard that sort of nonsense before. By the same logic, Dan Keren is
a repressed Holocaust Revisionist.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: The Dachau Gas Chamber exposed!
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In article <41ah6n$5nn@kelly.teleport.com>
           kathleen@teleport.com "Kathleen Mulhern" writes:
 
> Thick black smoke emminating from the crematoriams is not a rumor if 
> there are pictures of them.  

Are you sure the smoke wasn't painted on? In case you think that is a facetious
remark there are many more blatant fabrications, some of which are admitted.

>Why should we believe you, who has never even been to Dachau 
> to see it, and not believe the prisoners who were held there and tortured 
> there?

Because these people have an axe to grind and because even though they were
there they are repeating nonsense and hearsay. 
 
> : But the whole point I am trying to make is that THEY DID NOT GAS ANYONE IN 
> : DACHAU.
> 
> Yes they did.  Ask a survivor.

Better still, find an autopsy report. There is none for the obvious reason.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: The Dachau Gas Chamber
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In article 
           bzs@world.std.com "Barry Shein" writes:
 
> Let's get one thing straight between us: I do not believe for an
> instant that these deniers, the real deniers, the Ravens and Zuendels
> etc, believe a word they are saying (well, perhaps a word, but not
> much.) I fully believe they are willfully fabricating this denier
> stuff for emotionally sadistic reasons.

Well, some of them certainly appear to have been parties to fraud, the Lachout
document, and you won't find this Revisionist making any excuses for that. 
But your belief that anyone who doesn't agree with you is a liar is a little
naive.

> Yet over and over you write as if Jews are somehow working in concert
> in some secret way.

Let me get this straight: the Mafia, Organised Crime or whatever works in 
concert in some secret way; the IRA does; Hamas does; the Freemasons do; 
the international Nazi conspiracy does, (which according to you includes
the Revisionists), your own government does!
But the claim that any Jewish organisations and individuals
do is pure, unbridled anti-Semitic propaganda. Nice double standard.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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In article <41bs7r$kr4@nimitz.fibr.net>
           Harry W. Mazal OBE "hmazal@txdirect.net, San Antonio, Texas" writes:

 
>  The Nazis shot,  gassed and and starved children to death. Mr. Baron's wilfull
>  mendacity exceeds 
> all bounds.

How many Jews did German soldiers murder prior to 1941, Harry?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Wed Aug 23 17:43:36 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: The Dachau Gas Chamber
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In article <41brm1$kr4@nimitz.fibr.net>
           Harry W. Mazal OBE "hmazal@txdirect.net, San Antonio, Texas" writes:

> >   Alexander Baron  writes:
   
> >  And I have given you my truthful, honest answer: I have seen photographs of
> >  a delousing chamber and of a shower bath which were captioned gas chambers.
> >  I have not seen a real gas chamber in Dachau and do not believe that there
>  was
> >  one. (etc)

There in no proof Harry, there is evidence, but there is no proof, and the evidence
is every bit as tainted as all the other "evidence" produced by mendacious cliques
of lying, scheming Zionist Jews and their fellow travellers and endorsed by 
frightened old men like yourself.

I realise there is no point now trying to argue with you Harry because as I
say, you're frightened old Jew. You know damn well that Suzman and Diamond's
book is a tissue of lies, yet all you can do is keep making cheap innuendo
about my alleged dishonesty. Well I've got news for you, your co-racialists 
on this side of the Pond have now taken one liberty too many with me and
will pay a heavy price indeed. Within two months, if not a lot sooner, I will
be making a revelation that will blow their lies to pieces. Watch this space.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article 
           mkelley@aruba.ccit.arizona.edu "Marty Kelley" writes:
> "History has been manipulated"?  By WHOM, Mr. Baron?  That's 
> what we're forever asking you: WHO has manipulated PARTICULAR documents?  
> WHEN and HOW did they achieve these manipulations?  Please be spefific, 
> both in the case of your assertions about the holocaust, and now, in the 
> case of reports of Stalin's atrocities.  
> 
> Scrupulous avoidance of passive-voice phrasing will be appreciated.

don't be so naive, the news is manipulated every day. Prior to the invasion
of Iraq a young girl appeared on worldwide TV giving "evidence" that the wicked
Iraqis had emptied incubators in the hospital and left them to die. That story
was later exposed as a tissue of lies. The girl was an ambassador's daughter
or something. Who was responsible for that? I don't know: the President, NBC,
the UN, some unidentified clique in the Pentagon? Again, I don't know, but if
 I come home and find my house has been burgled just because I can't identify
the culprit doesn't mean I've imagined it.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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           gmcfee@ibm.net "Gord McFee" writes:

> By the way, did you know where Ernst Roehm, the number 2 in the Nazi Party 
> for years, used to get his lovin'?  Clue: it wasn't females.

That's one extermination I'll forgive Hitler for. Incidentally, Torah-true
Jews believe that exterminating faggots is justified. They believe they
will roast in Gehinom for all eternity.
-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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           gmcfee@ibm.net "Gord McFee" writes:

> By the way, did you know where Ernst Roehm, the number 2 in the Nazi Party 
> for years, used to get his lovin'?  Clue: it wasn't females.

That's one extermination I'll forgive Hitler for. Incidentally, Torah-true
Jews believe that exterminating faggots is justified. They believe they
will roast in Gehinom for all eternity.
-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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This pamphlet was approved by two Rabbis. Like the liars, hatemongers
and hate-filled slime they are, the self-styeld leaders of the Anglo-Jewish
Establishment referred it to the Attorney General. No action was taken.



Charity Begins At Home:

How To Help Your Fellow Jews - And Combat Anti-Semitism  

An Anglo-Hebrew Publishing Information Pamphlet


                        2nd Edition  


Charity Begins At Home: How To Help Your Fellow Jews - And Combat 
Anti-Semitism$


The Jews In Business


Anti-Semites  hold  many erroneous beliefs about  Jews  including 
that  they control the financial system or even the entire  econ-
omy. Bizarre as such beliefs may at first sight appear, a  power-
ful  case  can be made out for them. The roster of  Jewish  names 
associated with banking, particularly "international banking", is 
so long that it is embarrassing: Goldman, Lehman, Loeb, Seligman, 
and  of  course Rothschild, to name but five.  Jewish  names  are 
well-represented  in commerce too: H. Samuel the  jewellers,  Am-
strad  (owned  by  Alan Sugar), and Marks  &  Spencer,  Britain's 
largest  (and  most respected) retailer.  Several  hundred  names 
could  be added to this list, but impressive though it is, it  is 
an  illusion that Jews in any sense monopolise or  even  dominate 
the economy. (1)

The  anti-Semitic fantasy is that Jewish commercial  hegemony  is 
the result of a conspiracy; the reality is that the Jews are more 
successful in the free market largely because they are better  at 
satisfying  their customers' demands. After all, nobody $has$  to 
buy from Jews.


The Jewish Poor


The  fact that there are so many wealthy and successful  Jews  is 
obviously  good news for them, but it is bad news for the  Jewish 
poor,  who  have to a large extent been  forgotten  because  many 
people  don't realise they exist. The reality is very  different. 
Over the years, surveys have shown that the Jewish poor are  with 
us every bit as much as the Gentile poor, and in some cases  more 
so.

A 1974 American study revealed that the South Beach area of Miami 
Beach had 40,000 poor residents, four fifths of them over 65  and 
85%  of them Jewish. (2) Most striking though was  poverty  among 
Hassidic  Jews, of all ages, largely because of the special  pro-
blems their way of life creates for them in the modern world. 

One  of  these problems is unemployment. As one writer  puts  it, 
"What  insurance company wants to hire a man with side  curls  to 
sell  its policies? What businessman is going to dismiss  an  em-
ployee  at noon on Fridays so that he can hurry home  to  prepare 
for his Sabbath when he can't even make up the time on Saturday?" 
(3) There are 25,000 Hassidic Jews in Williamsburg, Brooklyn.

Another reason there are so many poor American Jews is that  they 
missed  out  on the "war on poverty", which was  aimed  at  other 
ethnic minorities in the 60s. Again, everyone - at least everyone 
in  authority  - seems to have assumed that there  were  no  poor 
Jews. (4) But one does not have to travel to the United States to 
find poor Jews.

In Stamford Hill, the site of Britain's largest Hassidic  colony, 
there  are  large numbers of poor Jews, many of  whom  are  unem-
ployed.  In fact, if you scratch the surface you will  find  poor 
Jews everywhere Jews live.


Jewish Charity


Another  claim  anti-Semites frequently make is  that  Jews  look 
after  their own kind. If this is meant to be an insult, then  it 
is  one that every Jew should be proud of. In fact, Jews do -  on 
average - give more generously to charity than Gentiles, probably 
because charity is considered an obligation by Judaism. There are 
many  Jewish charities doing good work for the poor  in  Britain. 
(5)

In 1982, scholar Harold Pollins wrote, "The Jewish Welfare  Board 
(in the early 70s) was assisting 2,500 elderly people." And  that 
in 1974, the Board claimed in an appeal for funds that in  London 
and the South-East "one in every ten Jewish families comes to  us 
for  help." (6) At the same time, "The Norwood Homes  for  Jewish 
children were looking after more than one thousand children." (7) 
Indeed, to this day, the Norwood Homes regularly runs appeals  in 
the $Jewish Chronicle$. 


Misplaced Idealism


If  Jewish  charity has been generous at home, it has  been  even 
more  generous abroad, particularly towards the State of  Israel. 
Since  its founding in 1948, Israel has received  literally  bil-
lions  of  dollars  from the Jewish  communities  throughout  the 
Diaspora  and  billions  more in "aid" from  the  United  States. 
Indeed,  even  before  its founding, Israel was  the  receipt  of 
Jewish  largess; two hundred million dollars were sent to  Pales-
tine in the years 1939-48. (8)

American  Jews,  British Jews and Jews  throughout  the  Diaspora 
continue  to send enormous sums of money to Israel and  to  lobby 
their  governments on its behalf. They do this out  of  idealism, 
because they believe that the State of Israel is symbolic of  the 
struggle  of  the Jewish people throughout the ages  and  because 
they  feel  an emotional attachment to it. Any Jew who  does  not 
support  Zionism  fervently runs the risk of being  condemned  by 
Zionist organisations as un-Jewish or even as anti-Jewish.  Zion-
ism  and  Judaism are inseparable is their  message.  In  reality 
though,  Zionism  and  Judaism couldn't be  more  different,  for 
whereas Judaism is the Mother of all religions and the source  of 
our  code  of morality, Zionism is a philosophy purely  of  self-
aggrandisement, a vicious, egocentric, nationalistic movement far 
worse than either apartheid or Nazism. It is in fact nothing less 
than a well-organised and quite insidious international  criminal 
conspiracy  which is responsible for the oppression, torture  and 
murder  of the Palestinian people and the expropriation of  their 
land. 


The Myth Of "Gallant Little Israel"


The  picture the media paints of Israel is one of a  defenceless, 
democratic  country surrounded by a swarm of  bloodthirsty  Arabs 
hell-bent  on its destruction. This is a blatant lie. Israel  was 
born in blood and almost from the beginning, the Zionists commit-
ted  outrages  against the largely defenceless and  peaceful  Pa-
lestinians with arms purchased by money raised by American  Zion-
ist groups or stolen from the British, who ruled Palestine  under 
the Mandate. (9)

Israel  has fought a series of wars against its Arab  neighbours, 
and  because the Israelis are heavily outnumbered,  the  Zionists 
and their powerful friends have been able to portray the Israelis 
as  David to the Arabs' Goliath. In reality though the Arabs  are 
neither  unified nor as well-armed as the Israelis, so they  have 
never been a match for them.

Since  the birth of the State of Israel, and indeed  before,  the 
Zionists  have been responsible for untold and  unspeakable  out-
rages against the Palestinian people. (10) All of these  outrages 
have been funded by the American taxpayer and by "Jewish" organi-
sations and donations.  

The Zionists have consistently ignored both international law and 
common humanity. One of their most heinous atrocities occurred in 
1982  when  they  sent their murderous  friends  the  "Christian" 
Phalangists  into  the refugee camps of Sabra and  Shatila  where 
they  massacred as many as a thousand defenceless people,  mostly 
women and children. The Zionists are continuing to build  settle-
ments  in the Occupied Territories in defiance  of  international 
law, and continuing to oppress and murder the Palestinian  people 
in defiance of the $Torah$.

Many,  many allegations of torture, rape and other  ill-treatment 
of arbitrarily arrested political prisoners have been substantia-
ted  by human rights organisations. December 1987 saw the  begin-
ning of the $intifada$, the spontaneous uprising of the  Palesti-
nian  people against their oppressors. This consisted  mainly  of 
young  people  throwing stones at soldiers and  in  return  being 
shot.  If this had happened in Northern Ireland the British  gov-
ernment would have had hell to pay, it may even had been  brought 
down.  But  because these atrocities were  committed  by  Israel, 
nothing  has ever been done about them. According to one  source, 
400 Palestinians were killed in the first year of the  $intifada$ 
and 20,000 were injured! (11)

In  December 1992, the Israeli government expelled  four  hundred 
and  fifteen men, literally turfed them out of their  homes  into 
the desert, merely on suspicion of their having been  sympathetic 
to  a terrorist organisation. Although there were  loud  protests 
>from  human rights organisations and the world's press, the Israe-
li  government  has again done exactly as it  wished  with  total 
impunity.

In May 1993, the human rights organisation Amnesty  International 
issued a press release which revealed that since then, more  than 
100 Palestinians have been shot and killed by the Israeli  secur-
ity forces, thirty of them under the age of seventeen. 

Rana  Abu Tuyur, an 11 year old girl, was murdered on her way  to 
buy milk on 19th December 1992.

Maher al-Maja' idah, aged 8, was murdered on 20th March 1993.

Ra' edah al-Qarra, a 13 year old girl, was murdered on 8th  April 
1993. (12)

This  is  the reality of "gallant little Israel",  an  island  of 
$democracy$ in a sea of Arab tyranny. 


Your Money Buys Their Bullets 


Terrible  as all the above is, there is something even more  ter-
rible,  that  is the complicity of Diaspora  Jewry  worldwide  in 
these  outrages against humanity, and against Judaism.  When  you 
send money to Israel, you are buying bullets for the murderers of 
Palestinian  children. Anyone who donates money to the  State  of 
Israel  has  blood on his hands. And, unfortunately,  this  is  a 
crime  the  leaders of Diaspora Jewry have been guilty  of  since 
1948 and before.

Zionist  leaders, the world's greatest hypocrites, always try  to 
equate anti-Zionism with anti-Semitism. If by their silence  Jews 
condone  this sort of blasphemy, then frankly they deserve to  be 
hated, but, surprising as it may seem, the Palestinian people  do 
not  hate the Jews, they do not want to push them into  the  sea, 
all they want is basic human rights, civil liberties and justice, 
something the $Talmud$ makes much of. 

No  one is saying that you have a duty to speak out against  this 
sort  of  tyranny.  The Zionist octopus can and  does  make  life 
extremely  unpleasant for even its mildest critics. Gentile  dis-
senters  are  smeared mercilessly as  anti-Semitic  while  Jewish 
"renegades" are dealt with in a number of ways. But you do have a 
duty not to endorse the repression of a nation and the murder  of 
its  children. Don't send money to Israel. Don't raise money  for 
Zionist  causes,  however well-meaning. Practice charity  by  all 
means,  but give to your own communities. There are thousands  of 
poor  Jews in Britain and elsewhere throughout the  Diaspora  who 
deserve  your  charity.  The State of Israel  and  its  murderous 
servants do not.


Another Successful Pre-emptive Strike 
In Order To Avert Another "Holocaust"


As  the first edition of this pamphlet went to press, Israel  was 
paused to start yet another war in the Middle East, this time  by 
a murderous assault on the Lebanon. As these words are written it 
is estimated that up to half a million people have been forced to 
leave  their homes. The rationalisation for this - as ever  -  is 
that  Israel's  security is threatened by Arab  "terrorists"  and 
that,  presumably, they must be wiped out in order to  avert  an-
other  "Holocaust".  At the same time, a man who was  alleged  to 
have murdered Jews in a Nazi "extermination camp" has been final-
ly  acquitted  after seven years in captivity - and  detained  in 
custody  to face further charges. It is ironic that nearly  fifty 
years  after  the end of the Second World  War,  Zionist  leaders 
still  agonise over the alleged Nazi exterminations of  Jews  and 
vow never again while at the same time they are busy perpetrating 
a Holocaust of their own. To them, only Jewish suffering matters, 
only  Jewish deaths are important, only Jewish Holocausts  count. 
Hopefully,  you are not of the same persuasion. Again, we  appeal 
to  you: don't send money to Israel or give the  murderous  thugs 
who control this fascist regime an iota of moral support.

They have blood on their hands; if you do not condemn them total-
ly and utterly, you will have blood on yours by proxy.


Notes and References


(1)  Marks & Spencer for example is a public company and  in  any 
case,  co-founder Tom Spencer was a $goy$. The diamond  trade  is 
traditionally a Jewish stronghold and virtually a Jewish  monopo-
ly;  Jews are well-represented in the clothing trade;  but  there 
are some industries where they are poorly represented if at  all. 
Asians are now extremely well-represented in retailing in Britain 
owning  perhaps  half  the small retail  outlets  nationwide  and 
almost every shop in London's Tottenham Court Road!

(2) From page 3 of $Poor Jews: An American Awakening$, Edited  by 
Naomi Levine and Martin Hochbaum, published by Transaction Books, 
New Brunswick, New Jersey, (1974).
 
(3) From page 61 of $The Hasidic Poor In New York City$ by  Phyl-
lis Franck in $Poor Jews...$, Levine and Hochbaum, (ibid).

(4)  Orthodox Jews everywhere face special problems: Kosher  food 
is  more expensive than ordinary supermarket fare; Jewish  rever-
ence  for learning, both religious and secular, means that  (pri-
vate) education is more expensive for Jews. Also, Hassidim  espe-
cially have large families, which means more mouths to feed.

(5)  It  should be noted that Jewish benevolence is by  no  means 
confined to their co-religionists. Just as there is an embarrass-
ing  plethora  of Jewish names in the banking field,  so  does  a 
study  of  charities, trusts and foundations reveal a  galaxy  of 
Jewish names.

(6)  Pages 213-4, $Economic History of the Jews in  England$,  by 
Harold  Pollins,  published  by  Associated  University  Presses, 
London, (1982).

(7) Pollins, page 214, (ibid).

(8) Membership of the Zionist Organization of America jumped from 
43,000  in  1940 to 250,000 in 1948, and suffrage rights  in  the 
World Zionist Congress rose nearly fivefold. Page 222, $Jews  and 
Money:  The Myths and the Reality$, by Gerald Krefetz,  published 
by Ticknor & Fields, New Haven and New York, (1982).

And  of course, if it had not been for Jewish capital, the  State 
of  Israel  would  never have come into existence  in  the  first 
place.

(9)  It  should also be noted that some Zionist  terrorists  were 
trained  by the Nazis. Although this is not spoken of today,  the 
Nazis  formed an alliance with the Zionists soon after they  came 
to  power. And it was the Zionists, not the Nazis, who  made  the 
first  move. The rationale for this was their common  purpose  in 
removing the Jews from Europe - the Final Solution.

(10)  The violence and terror has not all been on one  side,  but 
although  all  terrorism must be condemned, the  terror  used  by 
various Palestinian groups against the Zionists has at least been 
understandable.  The PLO resorted to terror in order  to  attract 
the  attention of the world's media. * As soon as they  had  done 
this they renounced terror. The only Palestinian groups who today 
vow to destroy Israel are a handful of Islamic fanatics who  have 
no  mainstream support either by the Palestinians or by the  rest 
of the Arab world.
 
* One must bear in mind that the Palestinians do not control  the 
$Washington  Post$, the $New York Times$ and half the studios  in 
Hollywood.

(11) Page 3, $Punishing A Nation: Human Rights Violations  During 
The  Palestinian Uprising December 1987-December 1988,  a  report 
prepared  by  Al-Haq, Law in the Service of  Man$,  published  by 
South End Press, Boston, MA, (1990).

(12)  Amnesty International Press Release, embargoed for  27  May 
1993.




Published by Anglo-Hebrew Publishing,
BCM Box 2293,
BCM - Mono,
London WC1N 3XX.
England.


ISBN 1 898318 55 7

First published 1993

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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Funny but RACIST South Africa has never had time for race agitators. It banned
a visit by British National Front leader John Tyndall. It also banned a book
on Yassir Arafat because it was said to be offensive to Moslems. I looked over
the book and couldn't say that I found it offensive.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Fri Aug 25 23:10:41 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
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You've just sent me a message claiming I sent you E-mail. I wasn't aware
that I had. Somebody sent me a message and I replied to it. I'm sure it
wasn't you though. I think.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Adolf Hitler - Racist?
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In article <41gfs6$1kla@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:

 
> Well, Al, I crossposted your message to sci.anthropology and got the
> following response. You've claimed that the "Boas school" was "Jewish"
> and promoted "race-mixing," yet here we have an anthropologist who
> disagrees. Is he a liar or a Jew, Al? Or perhaps you'd like his
> photograph and a notarized copy of his diploma? Or would care to admit
> that you don't have a clue what you're talking about with your Jew
> this and Jew that?
 
> No, because Boas and his "school", that is, most of cultural
> anthropology today have given up on the concept of race altogether. We
> do not know what a race is, where one begins, where it ends, in either
> time or space.

> [It's Al!]
> >>How about the Boas school of "cultural anthropology"
> >>which was virtually all Jewish; 


> 
> Margaret Mead? Ruth Benedict? Edward Sapir? Ralph Linton? 
> 

Ashley Montagu, Melville Herskovits, and quite a few others. This is 
documented by Carlton Putnam in his excellent RACE AND REALITY.

Lincoln Rockwell interpreted this as part of the Jewish conspiracy against
the Aryan race. I interpret it as Marxist dogma and racial hatred.

As for the absurd claim that race doesn't exist, well, you think Holocaust
Revisionism is bizarre? A most welcome development in this field is Professor
Michael Levin and company. Incidentally I'm not that bothered about race,
unlike most "Nazis".
 
-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: The Dachau Gas Chamber
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In article <41fr2v$nbq@shiva.usa.net> hkatz@earth.usa.net "Harry Katz" writes:


>         Nice double standard.
> 
> Mr. Baron is continually mistaking sarcasm for evidence.
> 

Harry, as you are obviously one of the more decent human beings in this
newsgroup I will refrain from answering like with like. There are masses
of evidence of the duplicity and power of Organised Jewry. The ADL scam in 1993
and the arrest of Tom Gerrard, for example. Many authors have documented the power of
Organised Jewry: Alfred Lilienthal; Andrew Hurley; Paul Findley in his two
excellent books; to some extent the anti-Zionist Jew Lenni Brenner; there
was an excellent article in Palestine Solidarity in 1992 (which has many
Jewish supporters) AIPAC's SECRET FILES. The evidence is there for all
to see. All who are not wilfully blind.

An absolutely excellent book is the 1993 ARABS & ISRAEL FOR BEGINNERS by
the American Jew Ron David. After you've read this you'll never call me an
anti-Semite again.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article <41fsoh$kve@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:
 
> But Al has no axe to grind, does he? Except with "Organized Jewry," as
> he calls it. Al denies being an antisemite, and he will tell you so
> himself. He will also tell you that Hitler was not a racist.

Yes, Al does have an axe to grind with Organised Jewry. And in Britain
they are already sorry they ever heard of him.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Fri Aug 25 23:10:44 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: The Dachau Gas Chamber
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In article 
           schwartz@infinet.com "Sara aka Perrrfect" writes:
 
> It certainly is. Why would the Nazis bother with AUTOPSIES, when their
> concern was killing?
>  
> You stick someone in a gas chamber. They die. Why would an autopsy be needed?

More to the point my little Sharon fruit, why didn't the Americans do such
autopsies when they liberated Dachau and found all these "gassed" prisoners
lying around?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Fri Aug 25 23:10:45 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

 
> BTW, let me state in advance that I didn't "murder" any British
> soldier in Palestine (wasn't born yet) and neither did my father
> (he was too young and, moreover, was in Brooklyn, NY, at the time).

And I have never murdered nor shown ill will towards any Jew on account 
of his being a Jew. Perhaps you should stop treating me like I was the 
second coming of Heinrich Himmler.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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In article <41iv1f$cpp@shiva.usa.net> hkatz@earth.usa.net "Harry Katz" writes:

  This "swamp" is currently the site of Disneyworld!

David Cole said he had a choice of going to Disneyland or Auschwitz and 
chose the latter because of its greater fantasy value.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Fri Aug 25 23:10:46 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

 
> Since then, the letter's text in the original German and in
> English translation was posted, a few times. Its location in
> the book "Nazi Mass Murder" (Yale Uni. Press, 1993) given,
> and its serial number in German archives also given.
> 
> Still, no response from Baron. 

 I admitted publicly that I had made an arsehole of myself for forgetting
about this. I have read Robert Proctor's RACIAL HYGIENE and from memory
I could not recall any experiments about gassing. Having said that, I have
no doubt that poison gas was tested on prisoners as well as other things. 
I believe they also injected people with various germs. That is not the 
same thing as killing people in gas chambers with Zyklon-B because they
were Jews. 

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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In article <41ibed$3gs@access5.digex.net>
           mstein@access5.digex.net "Michael P. Stein" writes:

 
>     Well, I would agree that according to everything I have read on the
> subject, Suzman and Diamond are _wrong_ about the photo - the piles of
> corpses discovered at liberation were not gassing victims.  It is still an
> open question as to whether they _knew_ they were wrong.  Al Baron argues
> that they had sufficient resources that they simply _must_ have uncovered 
> the truth and deliberately misrepresented it.  I am hesitant to accept 
> that kind of logic as sufficiently strong evidence to convict.

Mike, you're a wonderful human being and an honest man. And I mean it.
  
>     This, I feel, is not.  Al Baron has certainly offered
> less-than-convincing arguments, non-sequiturs, and avoidance of
> inconvenient evidence, and has thrown around vague charges against
> "organised Jewry" which I noted tend to smear _all_ Jews whether he means
> to or not, because they are so vague that they fail to _exclude_ anyone
> from suspicion.  


As I've said before Mike, all this crap about THE JEWS is a dirty trick of 
semantics used by powerful and totally fascistic quasi-Jewish organisations 
to suppress all dissent, and to keep Jews in line. These people don't give 
a monkeys about anyone outside their own circle. Including you. And they lie
through their teeth constantly. I have the scars to prove it.

>However, he has significantly broken from the usual
> Jew-bashing crap, both in his acceptance of the Anne Frank diary and his
> vigorous defense of the Talmud against the lies of people like Ben Johnson
> and Colin McKinstry.  I do _not_ suspect Mr. Baron of being a
> "wannabe-Nazi." 

I haven't defended the Talmud, I have researched it in collaboration with
an Orthodox Rabbi who refuted point by point all the smears on it. This is
free inquiry. With regard to the Diary of Anne Frank; I believed it as a 
schoolkid, then read the Revisionist analyses and the Meyer Levin story
and decided it was a load of bollocks. However, because there is clear 
forensic evidence that it was written BEFORE THE WAR I have either to accuse
the Netherlands forensic department of fraud or change my mind. When I 
am wrong I change my mind. Now if it had been the Polish authorities rather
than the Dutch ones, I think I would still have grave reservations about it.

Having said that, I am not entirely satisfied that this was the work of 
an unaided 13 year old. It may be that she wrote the book with the encouragement
of her father, I really don't know, but it is contemporary. On the other 
hand the recent Anne Frank of Sarajevo has been severely criticised yet
no one has pointed the finger of racial hatred at anyone over that.

There is an enormous problem of evidence here: you and others keep asking for
evidence, evidence, evidence. When people lie so systematically it is virtually
impossible to adduce evidence; I am not talking here about conspiracy but
about the sort of mass collusion one finds everywhere. Added to this the
restrictions - and smears - that are placed on Revisionist scholars and it
should be abundantly clear that the Court Historians are not really interested
in researching this subject regardless of the consequences. If nothing else
they are fearful for their lucrative sinecures.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article <41huuo$2pn@access5.digex.net>
           mstein@access5.digex.net "Michael P. Stein" writes:
 (I asked Al Baron what horrible retribution was visited
> on the guy he mentioned who refused to testify, but Baron never answered
> me.)  Still, wouldn't one expect at least _one_ to write a deathbed letter
> saying, "I was afraid to speak out all those years, but now that I am
> dying and there's nothing more they can do to me, I want it to be known
> that it never happened, I was tortured into making that statement?" 
> 

Well, Kramer denied the gassings, then he admitted them. Baer is said to
have denied them. Broad's testimony is of doubtful value. The likes of 
Burg, Staeglich, Rassinier and others who have questioned them have suffered
state and non-state repression. 

The mere fact that it is ILLEGAL to question the gassings in Germany speaks
volumes. I'm currently reading the testimonies of some survivors given
in legal proceedings and frankly they are totally unbelievable. As ever.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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In article <41fsoh$kve@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:
 
> But Al has no axe to grind, does he? Except with "Organized Jewry," as
> he calls it. Al denies being an antisemite, and he will tell you so
> himself. He will also tell you that Hitler was not a racist.

Yes, Al does have an axe to grind with Organised Jewry. And in Britain
they are already sorry they ever heard of him.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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In article <41m4ob$bio@blackice.winternet.com>
           joelr@winternet.com "Joel Rosenberg" writes:


> >Hitler stated in Mein Kampf that his first reaction to anti-Semitism was 
> >one of disgust. 
> 
> Is there some reason to believe that he was telling the truth?

No more reason than to believe he was telling the truth when he said he
hated them. After all, he did suppress the Ritual Murder issue of Sturmer.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: The Zionist Definition Of Anti-Semitism
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:
 
> # Israel  has fought a series of wars against its Arab
> # neighbours,
> 
> [Quotes are from 1967]

The big difference between the Zionists and the Arabs is that the Arabs TALK
about exterminating Jews, and the Zionists EXTERMINATE Arabs. If these Hamas
fanatics succeed the Israelis will realise what a benign and humane man
Nasser was. They've already realised what a nice guy Arafat is. My principal
concern is that these lunatics will start shooting each other on the streets
of London. We've got virtually every loony "liberation movement" under the sun
here.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sat Aug 26 23:05:09 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: MY OPINION ON HOLOCAUST
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In article <41mk15$im6@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>
           kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca "Ken McVay OBC" writes:

> Had Mr. Saunders been listening more carefully during the
> lecture, he would have heard that the Polish Communist
> government,  for reasons of its own, inflated the _total_
> estimate of those killed at Auschwitz, _not_ the total number
> of _Jews_ killed there. (He might have also learned that
> Holocaust deniers love playing with this Polish figure,
> because it is so easy to mislead those without the time and/or
> interest to learn the facts.. interesting coincidence, eh?)

He might also have reasoned that the Polish Government, for reasons of its
own, did a lot of other things. Like building gas chambers after the war,
faking photographs, and so on.
 
> I have questioned some of those "figures" for four years. No
> one, not a single person, Jewish, Moslem, neo-Nazi, or anyone
> at all, has ever tried to either silence me or persecute me.

YOUR work hasn't been banned in Germany and South Africa. YOU haven't
been dragged into court in France or Germany. YOU haven't been firebombed
or had acid thrown in your face. Perhaps you're not questioning hard enough?

> How can one explain why a man who publishes utter fabrications
> continues to do so after they have been refuted beyond a shred
> of doubt? How can anyone claim Canada's leading Nazi
> propagandist is being "silenced?"

Well said. And I condemn utterly the Lachout fabrication. You might have
pointed out though that Mr Zundel is far from the only person who lies
about the Holocaust. Both the British and South African Boards of Deputies
of Jews are notorious liars and have used their lies to have the truth 
suppressed.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: The Nazis Are Back. In Israel
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JERUSALEM, ISRAEL

August 11, 1995

To: ALL CONCERNED

Subject: ABUSE OF CIVIL LIBERTIES


I am writing to you from Jerusalem because you may not be aware of
some of the events that have transpired over the past week.  My letter will
have little to do with politics.  Rather, it will relate to some of the most
basic democratic rights, which most of us take for granted.  It is a story
which you probably have not read yet in the media, but one which
desperately needs to be appearing there.

You may not even believe the story which I am about to recount to you. 
I am not sure I would, had I not been there to witness it.  Even the
average Israeli citizen probably does not know the full extent of what
happened at the events I will describe.  He or she only knows what the
Israeli government, owned and controlled TV and radio, chooses to
broadcast to him.  And they have not told much of this story.

                                *  *  *

On Wednesday night, August 2nd, along with 1000 other people (mostly
entire families of women, men and children, many of whom hold
American citizenship), I attended a peaceful rally in Jerusalem calling for
the release of Rabbi Shlomo Riskin and Nadia Matar.  Rabbi Riskin is the
American born Chief Rabbi of Efrat who served as a Rabbi of Lincoln
Square Synagogue in Manhattan before moving to Israel.  Nadia Matar is
a 29 year old mother of three young children and a leader of "Women in
Green".

Nadia and Rabbi Riskin had been arrested that morning along with 100 or
so others for practicing passive civil disobedience on a hilltop in Efrat (an
article on p. 5 of August 7th's New York Times describes their efforts in
detail).  While the others arrested were soon released, the Israeli
government ordered that Nadia and Rabbi Riskin remain imprisoned as an
example of what happens to those who oppose Israeli government policy
with acts of passive civil disobedience.

As we peacefully demonstrated in a public area for their release, baton
wielding policemen charged into the assembled crowd, stomping on people
with their horses, not even giving pause to distinguish between the young
and the elderly, women and men, able-bodied or infirm.  This scene
repeated itself at the end of the rally; this time, even as families were
attempting to escape from the site of the demonstration.

By the end of the demonstration, hundreds of police were now at the
scene, chasing after the retreating crowd and savagely beating anyone they
could catch.  As I was hastily leaving, I suddenly saw a policeman
violently pummeling a young boy, perhaps, 10 or 11 years old.  When I
asked the officer for identification, he grabbed me by the throat and
started hitting me.

This was only one of numerous traumatic incidents that night.  Everyone
in attendance described shocking stories of personally witnessed police
brutality, the likes of which I would have imagined transpired only in the
former Soviet Union and other police states.  As of this past Sunday,
people were still hospitalized, undergoing operations for injuries suffered
at the hands of the police.

Later, when I inquired, I discovered that this event was by no means an
isolated incident.  Israeli Police have routinely, violently beaten
demonstrators at rallies opposing government policy.  In particular, the
"Women in Green" have been the victims of such acts.  The violence on
numerous occasions has been so grievous, that they have produced a video
documenting some of these human rights abuses by the Israeli Police.

"Women in Green" is a group composed of determined women who
believe in the basic democratic rights of freedom of speech and assembly. 
One meeting with these women and you will see that these are not the
faces of "violent, fanatical, extremist settlers," but rather the voices of
large sectors, if not the slowly awakening vast majority, of the Israeli
public.  These women understandably fear for the safety and the security
of their young children and families who, if the Israeli government and
PLO have their way, may live in the midst of a sea of PLO terrorists and
former terrorists.

It is these women whom the Israeli government most fears.  It seeks to
intimidate and suppress their voices, for it is precisely these women who
are effectively alerting the public to perceived Israeli government's
ongoing deceit and distortions.  And it is this conspiracy to suppress
democratic rights which I fear more than anything else.

Can we who live in America, where we have these basic human and
democratic rights, stand idly by, while these rights are stripped from our
counterparts in Israel?

The United States of America is, hopefully, leading the Middle East into a
new era of peace.  Yet, how ironic it would be if Israel, for decades the
only democratic country in the region, is allowed to suppress the basic
democratic rights and civil liberties of its citizens.

                                *  *  *

I recently watched two videos.  One was the video I mentioned above. 
The second shows the brave and fearless Jerusalem police officer, Mickey
Levy, plowing into a group of 30 women ("Women in Green") standing
on a sidewalk in Jerusalem to arrest a young mother (Nadia Matar) whose
crime is that she is reading a list of the terror victims since the Oslo
accords.  He and other officers then brutally beat and kick Nadia and the
other women there.  It is all on videotape.  It looks far worse than the
Rodney King tape.  I could not stop shaking for 10 minutes after watching
the tape.

Do you know how we have that videotape?  It is a TV station tape.  The
TV stations have videoed scores of instances of police violence against
totally peaceful demonstrators.  But the TV stations are all government
controlled and there is no legal way of forcing them to release the
evidence.

The only reason we have this particular videotape, is because in this
instance, we were fortunate in that the Police filed a suit against the
women involved, charging them with attacking the police, introduced this
tape as evidence, and the judge ruled that the videotape had to be released
to the defense as well.  Part of the tape was deleted mysteriously.  But
enough remains to show incontrovertible proof of what happened.

                                *  *  *

Can you guess what happened to Mickey Levy?  He was promoted for his
bravery to become Deputy Commander of the Jerusalem Police Force. 

And do you know where Mickey Levy was on Wednesday night, August 2nd?  
He was the officer that I described above, beating the little boy and then
beating me.

                                *  *  *

I ask you to do three things.  Publicize, publicize and publicize.  Tell
everyone you know what you have just read.  Publicity of human rights
abuses is one of the only defenses against them.  The Israeli government
is especially sensitive to international publicity.  Call the Israeli embassy
and consulates in your areas.  These abuses will merely continue and
intensify if we fail to acknowledge them.



Sincerely yours,


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond



From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sat Aug 26 23:05:11 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Date: Wed, 16 Aug 95 20:17:23 eet
From: medic@netvision.net.il
Subject: Update 611
To: shomronnews@felix.dircon.co.uk

SNS News Service   "Police Brutality"
August 17, 1995..21 Av 5755..Number 611..Update from Israel

SPECIAL REPORT
8:00pm.. Hevron

We are reporting the first details of a brutal police rampage in Hevron as 
they are coming into our newsroom.

Israeli police came to the Maarat Hamachpelah (Cave of the Patriarchs) to 
arrest Rabbi Moshe Levinger this evening at approximately 7:00pm. The 
police had a warrant for the Rabbi's arrest. He failed to pay a 350 shekel 
fine (just over $100). The police caught up with Rabbi Levinger at the 
Machpelah. They brutally grabbed him by his beard and knocked him 
down. According to witnesses, he was dragged to a waiting police van.

Bystanders immediately began to run to the Rabbi's aid. Police lashed out 
at the Jewish bystanders without mercy. One woman was choked by 
police, others were attacked, beaten and kicked. For over one hour, police 
refused to identify themselves. They had all removed their identification 
name tags.

The Rabbi was forced into the waiting van. Bystanders hung on to the 
sides of the van to prevent the police from taking him away. The van 
drove off, despite the people falling off the sides. 

Police officer Rami Parchat drove the police van that, according to many 
eyewitnesses, ran over the 30 year old Jewish man intentionally. After 
running the man over, the police van did not stop to render assistance. 
Parchat drove off leaving the man on the street.

A Hevron MDA Ambulance removed the "moderately" injured man to the 
Trauma Center of Hadassah Hospital in Ein Karem Jerusalem.

Mr. Noam Arnon, the spokesman for the Hevron Jewish Community told 
SNS that the police acted in an extremely brutal manner. They made no 
differentiation between men, women or children,. They just attacked.

The Hevron Jewish community is now organizing to decide what is to be 
done after tonight's brutal police attack. Rabbi Levinger is in police 
custody. There are currently about 200 persons at the Machpelah. 
Tensions are high. A large number of Police, Border police and IDF troops 
are on hand.

				^^^^



8:15pm..
The police have closed down the sub-station which is situated adjacent to 
the Machpelah. They are refusing to accept any complaints from the 
Jewish citizens of Hevron.

Tens of residents have begun a march through the center of Hevron 
towards the IDF Headquarters.

SNS will provide you with additional details as they become available.

				****

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on the events surrounding the Middle East peace process. SNS is not 
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-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sun Aug 27 08:31:57 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article <41o012$c0t@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com>
           sma4@ix.netcom.com "Steven Malcolm Anderson " writes:
 
>  Dear scumjew: I am pro-faggot and anti-scumjew. Pharaoh should have
> killed Moses and his followers (scumjew like you) instead of mercifully
> exiling you from the Holy Land (Egypt). He was way too merciful!
>  Moses invented genocide, not Hitler.
>  Up with polytheism and down with monotheism! I am anti-scumjew and
> pro-faggot and a femiNazi. Sieg Heil! Heil Roehm!

I don't know if this is a genuine posting, but if it is I hope you die of 
AIDS you human dung beetle.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: DEBATING THE HOLOCAUST
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 95 21:36:46 GMT
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In article 
           bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA "Les Griswold" writes:
 >       Ernest Zundel was busted for teaching his crap in high school. The
> > "Jew version" is the historically accurate version. 

You're confusing Ernst Zundel with Jim Keegstra; Keegstra did a lot more than
teach an alternative history of the Holocaust.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article <41o7op$1dbe@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:

> Alexander Baron  wrote:
 
> Your enormous problem of evidence is that you have none. Even if, as
> you suggest, the lying is so seamlessly systematic, you still have no
> evidence on which to base your contentions. How then can you make any
> assertions about the Holocaust as a hoax? 


I can give a much better example, the pressure of conformity. In 1978 I was
attacked by a thug, kicked all around the floor, and had a bruise on my back
the size of a small melon. When I called the police, none of the witnesses 
had "seen" anything and I was told that if I wanted anything done I'd have
to take out a private prosecution. It is well known that such collusion happens
on a large scale; you can see this sort of thing in industrial disputes, or 
when workers have been caught stealing etc. People are sent to Coventry, 
ostracised and the like. The hysteria over the Holocaust is much the same,
and likewise we know that in Communist countries - and to some extent here -
people will go along with enormous lies. Recent studies show that people who
are hypnotised in club acts are merely going along.

There are so many organisations churning out lies - anti-smoking organisations
are a good example - which are given credence when they deserve none that 
it is difficult to keep up with it. All this causes terrible problems when
it comes to assessing witness testimony. George Adamski had 3 or 4 witnesses
when he saw his spaceman. Joseph Smith had a dozen when he founded the Church
of Mormon. It is difficult to credit that any of these people were sincere, 
whatever their testimony.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: The Zionist Definition Of Anti-Semitism
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In article <41odro$boc@nimitz.fibr.net> pgroff@txdirect.net "pgroff" writes:


> I don't think that Hamas will starting shooting at each other in
> the streets of London, but it is quite possible that those who follow
> the creed of Hamas will kill Jews. I guess that in your subjective way
> Nasser and Arafat would be considered nice guys, but lets fact it,
> they are just less extreme, but their ideas coincide nicely with
> Hamas.


That is total nonsense; the PLO has alway denounced anti-Semitism (although
there are kooks everywhere). Hamas are fanatics and religious zealots. You 
can't argue with people who will quite willingly kill themselves in order to
kill you. All Arafat and company ever wanted is justice; you can't compare
them with the likes of Hamas.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: MY OPINION ON HOLOCAUST
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> Which gas chamber did they build after the war?

You're forgetting the L'Express article

> Which photograph did they fake after the war?

Read Pressac, the Smzulewski photograph has been doctored for one, assuming
it's genuine, and that's a big assuming. Then there are all those mountains
of boots etc. I'm surprised you should ask.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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In article <41p2k5$sqs@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>
           kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca "Ken McVay OBC" writes:
 
> Please provide instances of these lies, with documentation.
> (I'm not stating that these BoD's aren't capable of it, I just
> want some documentation, so I can determine the facts for
> myself.)


SIX MILLION DID DIE: see my critique of it. In 1963 the Board of Deputies
published a similar - though much shorter publication. They have also 
consistently supported lying propaganda churned out by "anti-Nazi" organisations
in Britain (in reality socialist organisations) on the grounds that lying
about Nazis doesn't count. They had second thoughts though when some of these
groups started attacking Zionism.

See also my PUBLIC REPLY TO THE ONGOING LIBELS OF ORGANISED JEWRY.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Sun Aug 27 13:00:21 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: The Nazis Are Back. In Israel
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In article <41ob9b$nt1@newsbf02.news.aol.com> jwccti1@aol.com "JWCCTI1" writes:

> In reply to the first of Alexander Baron's two preceding posts 
> (Message ID: 809456667snz@abaron.demon.co.uk)
> 
> Baron, your first post, referenced above, contains no mention
> of anybody else as the author, unlike the other post.  Were you 
> yourself in Israel?  I don't understand the following statement, 
> because I don't believe you are a U.S. resident:

This was copied from LIBERNET DIGEST. To subscribe, E-mail to MajorDomo@
Dartmouth.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Another Simple Question for Al Baron
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In article <199508270017.AA05602@world.std.com>
           dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

 
> Can you tell us what is your best evidence that poison gas was
> tested on prisoners? That will, possibly, help us to understand
> what you *do* accept as evidence.

I gather this is no big secret; the British did it to. On themselves!
so did the Japanese. There is documentation. See Robert Proctor's RACIAL
HYGIENE. Of course, if you're saying it didn't happen...

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: c3w  Auschwitz 4,000,000 v @ 1,000,000?
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In article <41q61e$gdj@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>
           kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca "Ken McVay OBC" writes:

> In article <41pjvb$qh5@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com>,
>  a2ce3wog@ix.netcom.com (T. Maczuga Kaus (ind. cat3wog) ) wrote:
> 
> >The newspapers frequently reported individual accounts of "survivors"
> >living in the Houston area - frequently realling "soap" make from human
> >fat. Most consistently the number of humans reported exterminated at
> >Auschwits was 4,000,000 "Jews & Others">

There is genuine confusion here, and I don't think you can blame it all on
those wicked Revisionists. Western historians - Reitlinger for example - 
have never accepted the 4 million. But the Poles pushed that figure. The point
Mr McVay and company wilfully miss is that these are the same people who have
been in charge of the site of Auschwitz, the same people who have churned 
out endless anti-capitalist propaganda. The 4 million was an official Polish
figure - see the book by the judge Jan Sehn.

> Eichmann estimated 2.5 million, a figure initially repeated by
> Hoess, who later revised it to 1.1 million;

I don't think you can take seriously anything said, allegedly or otherwise,
by either Eichmann or Hoess. This is simply wishful thinking, or desperation
on the part of the Exterminationist lobby.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Fair and unfair criticism
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In article <41qt3t$foq@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:
 
> I didn't ask whether it was possible for anyone to lie. YOU stated
> that you had no evidence to present that Holocaust was a hoax because
> of a systematic collusion in lying. The question is: if, as you say,
> you cannot produce evidence to back your assertions, how can you
> assert them as facts? How are they anything but idle speculations?


You keep carping on about this as though the onus is on me. But where is 
your proof?

1) Where are the six million bodies or thereabouts? They all went up the chimney?
Very convenient.

2) Show me one autopsy report on someone who was killed by Zyklon-B. One.

3) Where is the film of the people in that gas chamber that Reitlinger mentioned?

4) Where are the mass graves of the people murdered by the Einsatzgruppen?

These are all acceptable proofs. You have produced none. What you have produced
is pieces of paper: "confessions" of SS men, like the "confession" written in
English of Rudolf Hoess. A mass of contradictory and ridiculous testimony about
Jews singing the Polish national anthem in the gas chamber and smuggled reports
by notorious liars like Vrba. Staged photographs, persistent misrepresentation,
polemics, and social ostracism and at times naked tyranny directed against 
people who refuse to tow the Exterminationist line.

You're the one who has to prove the Holocaust, not me.

 

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Mon Aug 28 07:34:06 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: A Couple of Answers to M Stein, D Keren and Others
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In article <41qrme$1nvi@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:

> It is no longer sufficient
> to show that one confession is false, but that there is a pattern of
> falsity in the confessions that does not match with the physical
> realities known from other types of evidence.
> 
> Revisionists have never undertaken such a task, but instead worry away
> incessantly at irrelevant side issues such as Rudolph Vrba's guess
> that 150,000 French Jews were deported to Auschwitz when it is known
> by other means that only half that number was ever deported from
> France at all. The fact that Vrba was an inmate and in no position to
> know exact numbers is not taken into account. Not is it taken into
> account that Vrba's guess at the numbers of French Jews deported is
> not given any credence but rather the fact that he was there and that
> he witnessed thousands--in excess of the total camp population--being
> sent to the Kremas who did not reappear out the other side. What is
> completely ignored when revisionists discuss Vrba is what happened to
> the 75,000 French Jews who are still unaccounted for.
>

Vrba's "guess" was not presented as a guess but as very carefully calculated
first hand information. In reality most of the information in the War Refugee
Board report - that which is accurate - Vrba was not in a position to know.
This was very clearly a propaganda document produced by underground sources
in Poland for black propaganda purposes.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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In article <41qq4h$eme@nimitz.fibr.net> pgroff@txdirect.net "pgroff" writes:

> PLO  has in their charter that they want to destroy Israel, hmm it
> still sounds similiar.

That has been removed, I believe. 

> PLO sends terrorists to kill children at Maalot

Was this before or after those brave Israelis destroyed the Lebanon; was this
before or after they shot a schoolgirl on her way to buy milk? Was this before
or after these poor, persecuted POWERLESS people butchered over 250 Arabs
at Deir Yassein, including 25 pregnant women?


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: MY OPINION ON HOLOCAUST
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> I would be very surprised should Baron answer.

I'm very pissed off that you should expect an answer because I've posted this
stuff time and time again. 

The photographs taken (or not taken) by David Smzulewski; there are only
4 of them. The naked old women who were transformed into naked young women.
Re the L'Express article, I sent a copy to Jeff Roberts and I'm hoping he'll
scan it in. In English.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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In article <41qjek$ig3@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>
           kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca "Ken McVay OBC" writes:

 
> Citation, please. It is not sufficient to say "something like
> the other one, which I addressed, but smaller" (i.e. not the
> same thing at all) - you have not provided any information
> which would tell me who published the article, although I
> assume you are saying tat the BoD did, you have not provided
> the title, or instances of the "lies" contained within the
> document.

Ken, whenever I expose a lie that is provable you change the subject. If I
give you a source please tell me what you are going to do with it.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
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Subject: Re: Another Simple Question for Al Baron
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In article 
           karlpov@access5.digex.net "Charles R.L. Power" writes:


> I am not familiar with Proctor's work, and doubt I would want to go to 
> the trouble and, probably, expense of acquiring it. Why do you accept 
> Proctor's word?

Because I have no reason not to accept it. I have seen the bodies of 
people who were murdered in the Dachau experiments and am satisfied that
they were murdered in the course of such medical experiments. Proctor's 
book is worth reading, it covers Nazi race science.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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In article <41qs5c$1nvi@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca>
           jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca "John Morris" writes:
 
> I once called Al Baron an "insupportable non-entity." That's pretty
> insulting, and, though I regret having said it, I can't undo a past
> outrage.
> 
> Hope this helps!

Are you apologising or reiterating, John?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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Subject: Re: 'A gassing experiment was carried out'
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In article <9508270425.AA02024@lems24.lems.brown.edu>
           dk@lems.brown.edu "Daniel Keren" writes:

>The Jewish women were forced to undress in an open place
> close to the gas chamber, and were driven into the gas chamber by the
> above mentioned SS members and the Ukrainian auxiliaries. when the
> women were shut up in the gas chamber I and Bolender set the motor in
> motion. The motor functioned first in neutral.  Both of us stood by
> the motor and switched from "Neutral" (Freiauspuff) to "Cell" (Zelle),
> so that the gas was conveyed to the chamber. At the suggestion of the
> chemist, I fixed the motor on a definite speed so that it was
> unnecessary henceforth to press on the gas. About ten minutes later
> the thirty to forty women were dead.

You mean this guy had 40 naked women, and he could think of nothing better
than to gas them? 

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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In article 
           bzs@world.std.com "Barry Shein" writes:


> Vagaries like some contradiction exists here or there doesn't quite
> cut it after 50+ years. You would think *someone* would have made a
> killing off of writing their book "How I Falsified Evidence Against
> The Nazis".

At least one person has written such a book, Sefton Delmer, BLACK BOOMERANG,
1962. c1993 some fake photographs used by the SOE were declassified. Those 
and other stuff. I've inspected the file at the Public Record Office but
the photos I wanted are not there. In other words, they are still 
classified.
 
> Yes, it might be illegal in Germany, but it's not illegal at all in
> the US or other countries (would it be illegal in the UK? I doubt it,
> but I think just the US is enough.)

No thanks to the ADL.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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In article <41r118$ccc@access2.digex.net>
           mstein@access2.digex.net "Michael P. Stein" writes:

> 
>     If Baron keeps ignoring plain text in front of his nose, oh boy yes
> indeed his credibility is going to be diminished.
> 

I don't think so Mike, so far we've been told that the photo was 
taken by Smzulewski, then that it wasn't; it has been admitted that it 
has been touched up and a whole pseudo-history has been built round it.
You may be impressed by the frame of reference, I am not. We still have no 
proof that it is genuine nor that the naked women were on their way to be 
gassed. Furthermore, when was it released to the world? When did it first 
appear in the literature? Was it used at any trial? The earliest printed
refence I've seen is 1957, though there has to be an earlier one. If though
it did not appear in print before the end of 1944 I would seriously suggest
it be discounted totally.


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Mon Aug 28 17:08:52 PDT 1995
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Please respond in the appropriate groups

 
>> In article <41ol6f$nbc@ixnews7.ix.netcom.com>
>>            cfree@ix.netcom.com "Charles Freedberg " writes:
 > Baron:     That's right!  I've proven in my research that the Jews now 
 >            are the spawn of Satan, and we're the true Yids.  
 
 
 I've told you before I am neither a Nazi or an anti-Semite and in six months
 I should have a libel judgment to prove it.
 
 -- 
 Alexander Baron
 
 "He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
 not is a slave." - W. Drummond
>

 From: Alexander Baron 
 Subject: Re: Gay Nazis? (was: Pedophiles!)
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 In article <41p3ga$lb0@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com>
            sma4@ix.netcom.com "Steven Malcolm Anderson " writes:
 
 > >Does this mean that you support executing people because they
 > >are homosexuals? Or that you don't support it, but you're
 > >willing to forgive people who carry out such executions? Does
 > >your opinion carry over to lesbians too?
 
 I don't support it but I don't lose any sleep anytime one of these human
 dung beetles bites the dust. I think AIDS is the best thing that ever happened
 to them. It is by the way a total myth that most violence against faggots is
 by "homophobes". Their crime rates - especially murder - are way in excess of
 the normal population.
 
 -- 
 Alexander Baron
 
 "He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
 not is a slave." - W. Drummond
>

>Your original article was as follows:
>
 From: Alexander Baron 
 Subject: Re: Gay Nazis? (was: Pedophiles!)
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 In article <41prjd$5l3@newsbf02.news.aol.com>
            cyberknght@aol.com "CyberKnght" writes:
  
 > Check all that apply
 > 
 > Jews__     the men in black hats and caftans only. To that I will add Ayn Rand
 (of course), Mike Stein definitely, probably Harry Katz, Jackie Mason. Professor
 Michael Levin (in spite of his sometimes objectionable views on race). David 
 Cole of course. Oh and, er, I like Barry Manillow, incidentally.
 > Muslims__   as long as they're not fanatics
 > Japanese__
 > Chinese__
 > Negros__  as long as they don't practise miscegenation or call for the
 destruction of Western Man. I'm not sure about Louis Farrakhan; he's said
 a lot of strong things but I think he means well.
 > Australian Aboriginese__
 > Native Americans__
 > Inuit__
 > Maori__
 > Physically handicapped__    actually I'm registered disabled myself, although
 you wouldn't notice. I suffer from chronic backpain.
 > Mentally handicapped__   mattoids rather than morons are the bane of mankind.
 > Dyslexics__  dnt'o kown abuot thees
 > Indians__
 > Arabs__
 > Germans__  this may come as a shock but I don't particularly like Germans;
 although I admire Zundel for his courageous stand against the conspiracy we
 all know doesn't really exist, I am non-plussed that he ignored all my letters.
 I am certainly no fan of Hitler; more realistically, I recognise that if Hitler
 had died in 1939 he would have gone down in history as one of the greatest 
 leaders of all time, but he did a lot of bad things even when you take into
 consideration the whining and wailing of Organised Jewry. I think if I'd lived
 in Nazi Germany I'd have found my way into a concentration camp in double quick
 time.
 
 -- 
 Alexander Baron
 
 "He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
 not is a slave." - W. Drummond
>

>Your original article was as follows:
>
 From: Alexander Baron 
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 In article 
            bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA "Les Griswold" writes:
 > The question is very simple:  how many of you have read _The Turner Diaries_?
 
 I have. This is the sort of trash the ADL love because it portrays them as
 the good guys. The simple fact though is that any worthwhile cause can be 
 tainted by violence and murder. We've had lunatics here - animal "rights"
 fanatics, planting bombs under cars. But that doesn't mean that cruelty to
 animals is a good idea.
 
 -- 
 Alexander Baron
 
 "He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
 not is a slave." - W. Drummond
>Your original article was as follows:
>
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 In article <41qhkp$fem@calvino.alaska.net> henri@alaska.net "Henry Ayre" writes:
 
 > >It is quite true that many of the Allied nations were anti-semetic.  Take 
 > >Canada for example.  They did not put out a helping hand for the Jews after 
 > >the war.
    The Jewish community in Canada is still mad about it and writes 
 > >quite alot of articles trying to make Canadians feel some sort of quilt for 
 > >it.
 
 This is pure bullshit. Exactly why Canada should have felt obliged to HELP
 the Jews after the war is anyone's guess. There were 30 or 40 million displaced
 persons after the war. Was Canada supposed to help all them? The other claim is
 that no country wanted to take the Jews in = proof of anti-Semitism. The simple
 fact though is that immigrants are never popular unless they've got bags of 
 money. It's only common sense. White Europeans weren't exactly popular with
 the Red Man when they immigrated to America.
 
 -- 
 Alexander Baron
 
 "He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
 not is a slave." - W. Drummond
>



-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Mon Aug 28 17:08:53 PDT 1995
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In article <199508280134.AA17452@world.std.com>
           dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> 3) Would you forgive someone who murders homosexuals (and does
>    so only because they are homosexuals)?


Refer to my failed posting.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article <41smi4$asq@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>
           kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca "Ken McVay OBC" writes:

> In article <809568775snz@abaron.demon.co.uk>,
>  A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk wrote:
> 
> >In article <41qjek$ig3@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>
> >           kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca "Ken McVay OBC" writes:
> 
> >> Citation, please. It is not sufficient to say "something like
> >> the other one, which I addressed, but smaller" (i.e. not the
> >> same thing at all) - you have not provided any information
> >> which would tell me who published the article, although I
> >> assume you are saying tat the BoD did, you have not provided
> >> the title, or instances of the "lies" contained within the
> >> document.
> 
> >Ken, whenever I expose a lie that is provable you change the subject. If I
> >give you a source please tell me what you are going to do with it.
> 
> I don't see that you have exposed anything, since I still
> don't know the title of the BoD work you alluded to. If you
> give it to me, I will _write_ to the BoD and request both the
> document in question and whatever background information is
> available.
> 
> Given permission, I will then archive that document on my
> system.

 Letters To My Daughter, (1963), 8 pages. This was actually published as
a series of articles in a newspaper and then reprinted by these arch-liars
and enemies of humanity. If they can't or won't supply you with photocopies 
there is a copy in the archive of the Sternberg Centre for Judaism. If you 
can't get it from them you can get it from me, but you'll have to pay me.

Make sure your readers understand this is a work of fiction, like 99% of the
trash these damned liars churn out.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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In article <41sbrb$gpo@nimitz.fibr.net> pgroff@txdirect.net "pgroff" writes:


> but you do have to remember that at Dier Yassein the
> Iranian soldiers decided not to surrender and killed an officer of the
> Lehi under a flag of truce, and besides those are like of all brave
> arabs they hide behind women and shoot, what did you expect??

Arabs is spelt with a capital A. It's no wonder you poor saps believe
everything you read about the Holocaust so uncritically when you've been
swallowing this Zionist eyewash for decades.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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$AUERBACH TRIAL ENDS: SENTENCE OF 2 1/2 YEARS' IMPRISONMENT$, published 
in the $Times$, August 15, 1952, page 4

Phillip Auerbach, former chief of the Bavarian restitution office, 
was the leader of a clique of Jews convicted of a financial 
swindle. Auerbach was acquitted of most of the charges. He was 
said to have claimed compensation amounting to L100,000 for Nazi 
victims who either didn't exist or who had long since migrated. 
He was acquitted of the L100,000 charge but his convictions 
included blackmail, embezzlement and taking bribes. Among other 
things.


$Times$, August 18, 1952, page 3: reports the suicide of Phillip 
Auerbach less than 48 hours after he had been sentenced to two and a half 
years.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Wed Aug 30 11:52:59 PDT 1995
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In article 
           cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz "McKinstry" writes:
 > Baron:     I for one have nothing against Jews.  Just make it a        
> >            painless death.  Unless of course their rich Yids.  Don't   
> >            worry, I'll forgive you afterwards.  

Please tell me when and where I have ever advocated murdering Jews. Arsehole.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:
> Who says they were old?

Pressac. He says they were not young. You interpret it.

 
> You have also hinted that photographs of piles of shoes (or was
> it boots) are fake. What photographs are these, and what is your
> proof that they are fake?

They don't look real; take a closer look in Walendy, Sehn (1957) or th
Pictorial History of the Holocaust.
 
> # Re the L'Express article, I sent a copy to Jeff Roberts and
> # I'm hoping he'll scan it in. In English.
> 
> This guy is just unbelievable, he just cannot answer a simple
> question, even when it's presented to him time after time.
> 
> I am asking you again:
> 
> What gas chamber did the "Polish government build after the war"?

The Auschwitz gas chamber is said to be a "reconstruction". I think we should
wait until Jeff scans this in. 

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

 
> What is left for this miserable clown Baron is to try and
> flame people. He has nothing to say, so he resorts to
> behaving like an obnoxious 15-year-old.
> 
> Grow up, you pathetic creature.

Let me rephrase that, Dr Keren. Under what circumstances did this SS man 
confess to these murders? Was he cross-examined? Was he under sentence of 
death already? Were his wife and children in the next cell? On what evidence
do you accept this confession? 

And don't you know that Oswald was innocent? It was me who killed JFK.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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In article 
           karlpov@access5.digex.net "Charles R.L. Power" writes:
 
> Ah, another fascinating crime statistic from the revisionist camp,
> like the one about interracial rapes from Griswold a while back, or
> the one about Jewish terrorism Lemire seems to be unable to back up.
> I don't suppose you have a source on this, Al? Did you make it up 
> all by yourself? What agency collects murder statistics by sexual
> preference?

Off-hand I think it might have been Fumento's THE MYTH OF HOMOSEXUAL AIDS
or Stephen Green's excellent THE SEXUAL DEAD-END. They can all roast in 
Gehinom as far as I'm concerned.
 

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Thu Aug 31 22:50:06 PDT 1995
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In article 
           joelr@winternet.com "Joel Rosenberg" writes:
 
> One more time -- and I'll type it slowly, so that you can follow -- the 4 
> million figure was a Polish government fabrication, in which they claimed that 
> about a million Jews and about three million Poles were murdered there.  No 
> serious historian took it seriously; it's always been the fact that about a 
> million Jews and some relatively small number of non-Jews were murdered there.

Okay, so you claim - on what evidence? - that the Polish government fabricated
the 4 million figure. What else did the Polish government fabricate? How many
eyewitnesses did they coach, for example? If the government (with massive 
resources and, as in Poland, a state monopoly on the media) can fabricate
statistics, they can fabricate other things as well.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Thu Aug 31 22:50:06 PDT 1995
Article: 5543 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Schwarzhuber Testifies About Gassing in Ravensbrueck
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In article 
           mkelley@U.Arizona.EDU "Marty Kelley" writes:
> > And then the Jews sang the Polish national anthem in the gas chamber after
> > the extremely attractive Jewess from France had done a strip tease for the
> > SS men. Grow up Keren, you've got a PhD, you can't be that gullible.
> 
> I'm amazed (although by now, I shouldn't be) by the tone of your reply, 
> Mr. Baron.  OK--you make it clear that you don't believe that this 
> testimony is true.  Please explain to us WHY you find it unbelievable?  
> Nothing in the cited testimony is physically impossible.  The acts 
> described are well within the realm of possibility, and far worse 
> atrocities have been documented, both in the case of war crimes and, for 
> that matter, in modern cases of child abuse.  What is it that you find 
> unbelievable about this particular description of these particular acts?  
> Please do not reply with analogies or with examples of other false 
> testimony--I want you to identify exactly what makes you find this 
> particular description of a murder less than credible.

Such terrible crimes must be proved in a court of law by proper legal process.
This means that witnesses must be cross-examined and even people who confess
must be cross-examined to make sure that they are not mentally disturbed or
playing along. 

Apart from that, so much of this testimony appears in the literature in so many
places, like the national anthem in the gas chamber; there are three or four 
different versions of the stripping Jewess. Now one of them could be true, but
when one examines the sources they are so unreliable that the best one can say
is that this sort of testimony cannot be assessed.

Are you people so desperate to believe any evil of Hitler and his merry men?
Didn't Hitler and the Nazis commit enough properly documented crimes that you
have to rely on dross like this?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Thu Aug 31 22:50:07 PDT 1995
Article: 5545 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: The Zionist Definition Of Anti-Semitism
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In article 
           slepokuo@cadvision.com "Orest Slepokura" writes:
 
> The Zionist definition of anti-Semitism, you ask?  There's a revised
> definition provided by Dr. Alfred Lilienthal, a Jewish scholar, in the
> June 1, 1992 issue of New American View, that goes something like this: It
> used to be that an anti-Semite was anyone who hates Jews...but nowadays an
> anti-Semite is anyone whom the Jews hate.

Which is most of us, according to some sources. I am familiar with Dr
Lilienthal's work but can you give me a source for the Bush is an anti-Semite
quote? I've seen it before (Hurley I think). The problem with these thoroughly
evil, contemptible, manipulative people is that they've been getting away
with their nonsense and lies for so long that when someone stands up to them
and answers them back they don't know how to respond.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Thu Aug 31 22:50:08 PDT 1995
Article: 5546 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: 6,000,000 minus a few
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In article 
           karlpov@access5.digex.net "Charles R.L. Power" writes:

> Yeah, we had a similar case of a survivor defrauding other survivors 
> at the Federal Correctional Institution where I used to work. Are 
> you aiming to shock our naive little souls, Al? What exactly was your 
> point posting this message about one Jewish scam artist? Do you find 
> him typical of the Israelite race, or what? 

This is a documented case of fraud, of an organised clique claiming money as
reparations for people who had allegedly been exterminated. There was another 
case in 1969. If this is the tip of a very large iceberg, who knows how many
"exterminations" it may account for?


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Thu Aug 31 22:50:08 PDT 1995
Article: 5547 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: 6,000,000 minus a few
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In article <420qeb$q9l@news.missouri.edu>  ** none **   writes:
 The truth Mr. Baron is that the Nazis deliberately killed 
> millions of Jews, Gypsies, Slavs, Poles. And a lot of them were 
> civilians. 

The truth Mr Burstein is that they were credited by Mr Auerbach and company
with killing Jews who had emigrated. I'm not interested in the fact that a few
Jews can't keep their hands off other people's money, I'm interested in the 
fact that in ripping off the German government a few Jews - and maybe a few
non-Jews - inflated the statistics of those allegedly murdered by the Nazis. 
Dig?


-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Thu Aug 31 22:50:09 PDT 1995
Article: 5548 of alt.revisionism
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Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: MY OPINION ON HOLOCAUST
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In article <420il2$1jlc@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>
           gmcfee@ibm.net "Gord McFee" writes:

 
> My, that's certainly a seminal work, Al.  All of _8_ pages?!!?  Whoa!

Zionist lies come in small packages as well as big ones.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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Article: 5549 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: The Zionist Definition Of Anti-Semitism
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In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> The fact that Rehavaam Zeevi (who is indeed a rather repulsive
> character) accused Bush of anti-semitism, doesn't mean that
> this represents the view of most, or any significant part,
> of "Zionists" (I always put the word in quotes, because
> it has been abused to such a degree that it doesn't have 
> a meaning any more). We very often see "anti-Zionists"
> wildly extrapolate from the behavior of a single, or a very
> small group of "Zionists", to stigmatize all "Zionists". 

Some people say the same about the word anti-Semitism.

This article is a significant climbdown and admission Dr Keren. You are
in agreement with me for once. You claim that some Jews do smear people
as anti-Semites for political reasons. A smear of this nature is a lie.
Furthermore, if anti-Semitism is such a terrible crime, the punishment for
false allegations should be equally terrible.

> People who write that "Jews are dumb", who use slurs like
> "Jew-boy", and who spend their life trying to deny Nazi
> atrocities and mocking the victims of Nazism, are 
> called antisemites because this is what they are.

This Jews are dumb therefore Baron is an anti-Semite is rather dumb in
itself because most anti-Semites believe and claim that Jews are smart,
sly and clever. 

I have never mocked the victims of Nazism and never will; what I have done is
refuse to take at face value the lies and smears of many proven liars, people
who smear as anti-Semites all who refuse to take their claims of 
extraordinary suffering at face value. 

You can troll through all of my published work and you will not find any
endorsement of the Protocols of Zion, Jewish ritual murder, calumnies on the
Talmud, communism is Jewish or any of the other anti-Semitic crap. All I have 
said is that some Jewish individuals and organisations lie through their teeth
for the basest of motives and then scream anti-Semitism when they are caught
with their hands in the till. There is nothing anti-Semitic about that. Especially
as I have documented many of these lies - along with many anti-Jewish lies -
in my work.

With regard to the gas chambers, your position is as follows:

people were deported to Auschwitz and told to line up outside the chamber
where they were to take a bath. They were all ordered - 2,000 at a time - to 
strip off, which they did, Rabbis and all, issued with a piece of soap and a toweld 
and then marched into this chamber, gassed to death without any meaningful 
resistance, the bodies were disposed of in a couple of hours and the 
process was begun all over again. 

Some people took part in as many as 20 selections; some were sent to the 
hospital where they were treated for typhus et al, and then later, when they 
were healthy, they were gassed.

I say this story is the biggest load of crap I have ever heard, and on that 
basis you brand me an anti-Semite. Fine, I can live with that. 


-- 
Alexander Baron


From A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk Thu Aug 31 22:50:11 PDT 1995
Article: 5551 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alexander Baron 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Al Baron's Disease
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In article <199508292357.AA02186@world.std.com>
           dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

> Why do you refuse to answer these two simple questions?

More to the point, why don't you read what I actually said?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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Article: 5552 of alt.revisionism
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In article <41vo28$70m@usenetp1.news.prodigy.com>
           PCDS20A@prodigy.com "Marvin Krim" writes:

> Al, it really looks like everyone has your number. You are a true scumbag,
>  who LIES and DISTORTS.  Get a real life for youself.

What won't I answer?

Oh I remember you, Marvin feeble-minded geriatric Krim. Now let me see,
it goes something like this with you, doesn't it: "I know of no Jewish person
who gets drunk, no Jews who beat their wives, no Jews who are involved in 
organised crime." In other words, we're superior to you goyim. Oh yeah, and
if I remember rightly, the poor Israeli soldiers HAD to shoot young Arab boys
and girls during the intifada because they were a threat to national security.
Hasn't it ever occurred to you Marvin that as well as applying double standards
and being a Jewish supremacist your humanity ends at the synagogue door?

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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From: Alexander Baron 
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In article <41ah6n$5nn@kelly.teleport.com>
           kathleen@teleport.com "Kathleen Mulhern" writes:
 
> Thick black smoke emminating from the crematoriams is not a rumor if 
> there are pictures of them.  

Are you sure the smoke wasn't painted on? In case you think that is a facetious
remark there are many more blatant fabrications, some of which are admitted.

>Why should we believe you, who has never even been to Dachau 
> to see it, and not believe the prisoners who were held there and tortured 
> there?

Because these people have an axe to grind and because even though they were
there they are repeating nonsense and hearsay. 
 
> : But the whole point I am trying to make is that THEY DID NOT GAS ANYONE IN 
> : DACHAU.
> 
> Yes they did.  Ask a survivor.

Better still, find an autopsy report. There is none for the obvious reason.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond

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In article <41ah6n$5nn@kelly.teleport.com>
           kathleen@teleport.com "Kathleen Mulhern" writes:
 
> Thick black smoke emminating from the crematoriams is not a rumor if 
> there are pictures of them.  

Are you sure the smoke wasn't painted on? In case you think that is a facetious
remark there are many more blatant fabrications, some of which are admitted.

>Why should we believe you, who has never even been to Dachau 
> to see it, and not believe the prisoners who were held there and tortured 
> there?

Because these people have an axe to grind and because even though they were
there they are repeating nonsense and hearsay. 
 
> : But the whole point I am trying to make is that THEY DID NOT GAS ANYONE IN 
> : DACHAU.
> 
> Yes they did.  Ask a survivor.

Better still, find an autopsy report. There is none for the obvious reason.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond

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In article <41ah6n$5nn@kelly.teleport.com>
           kathleen@teleport.com "Kathleen Mulhern" writes:
 
> Thick black smoke emminating from the crematoriams is not a rumor if 
> there are pictures of them.  

Are you sure the smoke wasn't painted on? In case you think that is a facetious
remark there are many more blatant fabrications, some of which are admitted.

>Why should we believe you, who has never even been to Dachau 
> to see it, and not believe the prisoners who were held there and tortured 
> there?

Because these people have an axe to grind and because even though they were
there they are repeating nonsense and hearsay. 
 
> : But the whole point I am trying to make is that THEY DID NOT GAS ANYONE IN 
> : DACHAU.
> 
> Yes they did.  Ask a survivor.

Better still, find an autopsy report. There is none for the obvious reason.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond

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In article <41ah6n$5nn@kelly.teleport.com>
           kathleen@teleport.com "Kathleen Mulhern" writes:
 
> Thick black smoke emminating from the crematoriams is not a rumor if 
> there are pictures of them.  

Are you sure the smoke wasn't painted on? In case you think that is a facetious
remark there are many more blatant fabrications, some of which are admitted.

>Why should we believe you, who has never even been to Dachau 
> to see it, and not believe the prisoners who were held there and tortured 
> there?

Because these people have an axe to grind and because even though they were
there they are repeating nonsense and hearsay. 
 
> : But the whole point I am trying to make is that THEY DID NOT GAS ANYONE IN 
> : DACHAU.
> 
> Yes they did.  Ask a survivor.

Better still, find an autopsy report. There is none for the obvious reason.

-- 
Alexander Baron

"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave." - W. Drummond


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