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From: sma4@ix.netcom.com(Steven Malcolm Anderson)
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In <32A1DBB0.61F6@mindspring.com> Amazon 
writes: 
>
>Milton Wong posts:
>
>> Depends. If Ken Gore owned the "sacred Torah scroll", he could do
>> whatever he wanted to it, whereas if it were your "sacred Torah
scroll",
>> you would be justified in preventing him. The Torah scroll is only
>> "sacred" to you, not to me.
>
>
>Mr. Wong: ( I will presume no other name because I would not want to
>know you personally)
>
>It is apparent that you have no respect for people's beliefs other
than
>your own. To say that the Torah is not sacred to you so it would be
okay
>for you to defame it is quite statement. 
>
>What that truly says is that you have no empathy or understanding for
>those people who have differing beliefs and outlooks than your own. It
>is sad that you lack the ability to walk a mile in another's shoes. 
>
>There is an old saying that I remember the gist of:
>
>The Enemy came for all the Jews, but I was not a Jew so I did not
raise
>a hand
>
>The Enemy came for all the Blacks, but I was not a Black so I did not
>raise a hand
>
>The Enemy came for all the Gypsies, but I was not a Gypsy so I did not
>raise a hand
>
>The Enemy came for me, I cried out, but there was no one left to help
>me.
>
>Amazon

 Don't forget homosexuals. Mr. Wong also hates homosexuals.
-- 
sma4@ix.netcom.com
"The concept of 'greatness' entails being noble,
 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia


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In 
schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect) writes: 
>
>In article ,
Robert@cartel.westfalen.de
>(Robert) wrote:
>
>> schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect) wrote:
>> 
>> >In article ,
Robert@cartel.westfalen.de
>> >(Robert) wrote:
>> 
>
>> >Until it is viable outside MY womb, it IS MY body. And the changes
that the
>> >fetus effects upon MY body are also not being considered here.
>> The physical changes are totally natural not nothing to be really
>> considered about (in the way you mean it)
>
>Oh really? You mean diabetes, for instance, is "nothing to be really
>considered"?
>
>Obviously you know nothing about female anatomy, pregnancy risks, or
>anything else.
> 
>There's no point in continuing this discussion, Robert. You and I
disagree.
>You would force me, against my will, to bear a child, whether that
child
>had Tay-Sachs, spina bifida, hydroencephaly, or any other dreadful
disease.
>You would force me to carry that fetus for nine months, endure many
risks
>to myself, and watch that noewborn child die.
> 
>Thanks, but no thanks, Robert.
> 
>Sara

 What a woman does with her own body and its contents is _her_
decision. Period.

>-- 
>"The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on
the
>Christian religion."
>       George Washington, 1796

-- 
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"The concept of 'greatness' entails being noble,
 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia


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From: sma4@ix.netcom.com(Steven Malcolm Anderson)
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In <32a2323c.30375337@news.gte.net> PJO@is.back (Leprechan) writes: 
>
>On 1 Dec 1996 21:04:10 GMT, sma4@ix.netcom.com(Steven Malcolm
>Anderson) wrote:
>
>>In <32a1a09c.17926970@news.gte.net> PJO@is.back (Leprechan) writes: 
>>
>>>	It is not a good reflection upon the college (or the IQ test for
>>>that matter) that it turns out people who believe the hebrews built
>>>the pyramids or that the hebrews were ever in Egypt.  
>>
>> The Hebrews did come under the domain of the Egyptian empire (New
>>Kingdom) and may have migrated into Egypt, along with other peoples,
>>during the Hyksos interregnum. They were not in Egypt earlier (e.g.,
>>during the Middle Kingdom) and certainly not during the time when the
>>pyramids were being built (Old Kingdom).
>
>	The Hyssos period, good sir, is well documented.  That they "may"
>have migrated is your speculation for which there is no evidence
>whatsoever.  
>
>	The issue of course is that they went from Abraham to Egypt,
lived
>there for 400 years and then on to the Promised Land.  This issue is
>patently absurd from every possible point of view one can imagine.  
>
>>>	So it is quite clear, there was never a Moses, no Commandments,
>>no
>>>relationship with a god, no Mosaic Law, no dietary laws, no
foundation
>>>for being Jewish other than primitive tribal superstition regarding
>>>events that never happened to people who never existed.  
>>
>> Any religion is a matter of faith and can be neither proved nor
>>disproved. 
>
>	Such pious nonsense does not belong in rational discourse.  Faith
>does not make fact.  Fact requires evidence, not faith.  There is no
>atheist Jew that will support you that being a Jew is a matter of
>faith.  You need to find some religion oriented newsgroup for your
>kind of talk.  

 I prefer to let Jews define themselves as Jews, whether in terms of
religion or otherwise. Certainly there are atheist Jews.

>Whatever you want to believe or not out of the Bible (Old or
>>New Testament) or out of any other book you hold sacred, the Vedas,
the
>>Eddas, or the Egyptian Book Of The Dead, is your own business. Just
>>don't confuse it with the Constitution! Read the 1st Amendment.
You're
>>free to exercise your religion and I'm free to exercise mine and the
>>government stays out of it altogether.
>
>	Exercise it all you want.  That has nothing to do with pointing
out
>stupidity and ignorance wherever it is to be found.  Take your beliefs
>and practice them but if you make them public do not expect silence,
>there is something about freedom of speech in that same amendment.  

 Quite true. I respect your right to express your views.

>>>	Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?   
>>
>> 
>
>	There is not one such lin that list.  Perhaps you should look at
>them before you render such a summary and ignorant judgement.  Or
>would knowing what you are talking about be too much to expect from
>you?  

 I've seen enough of it to form an opinion. Not all revisionists are
necessarily Jew-haters or racists, but Jew-haters and racists certainly
use revisionist theories to push their agenda. You seem to be one of
them. 

>> It seems we have people on all sides trying to re-write history:
>>people who get their history from Hollywood and want to believe that
>>the pyramids were built by enslaved Hebrews or by extraterrestials or
>>whatever (anybody but the Egyptians themselves, apparently!) -- and
>>professional Jew-haters/racists who want to believe that Hebrews/Jews
>>accomplished nothing significant in history and suffered only minor
>>inconveniences during World War II.  
>
>	If the last is what indeed happened then so be it.  I can not
find
>one significant accomplishment to attribute to them.  Can you?  Such
>as, the invention of what?

 How about the theory of relativity?

  Please be specific in a manner that is
>supportable by archaeology and history.

 I don't believe in the Bible theologically myself, but it's certainly
a great acheivement in terms of literature. Also, Jewish civil
libertarians have been prominent in defending free speech, incl. of
revisionists.

  BTW:  Monotheism is not only
>out as they did not invent it, there is solid evidence they were
>polytheists; beyond that, of what value monotheism?  

 I'm a polytheist myself, but if you wish to be an atheist, monotheist,
or whatever, that is your right.

>	As to events in WW II, that is what alt.revisionism exists to
>discuss in context of Europe and its history for centuries before that
>event.  It is not to reguritate WW II propaganda that, for example,
>did not mention Auschwitz until 1944 when the other camps were shut
>down.  Of course, pre-dated documents have been entered into evidence
>but that is another matter entirely.  

 The revisionist version of WW II has yet to be proved.

>=====
>http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html The Dark Web Pages
of Zionism 
>http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite
>http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light
>http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site
>http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions
>http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/holo/index.html Reflections upon the
Holocaust
>http://www.demon.co.uk/natofeur/mgindex.html Reflections upon the
Holocaust (mirror)
>http://netnow.micron.net/~kurtstel/">Reflections upon the Holocaust
(mirror)
>http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam
>http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The
Leuchter Report
>http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report
>http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website
>http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving
>http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust
(Bradley Smith) 
>http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents
>http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html  L'Association des Anciens
Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et d'Holocauste (also in English)  
>http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz 
>http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball)
>http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute 

-- 
sma4@ix.netcom.com
"The concept of 'greatness' entails being noble,
 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia


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In <32a2284f.27964294@news.gte.net> PJO@is.back (Leprechan) writes: 
>
>On 30 Nov 1996 18:35:05 GMT, sma4@ix.netcom.com(Steven Malcolm
>Anderson) wrote:
>
>> There is no comparison whatever between what a woman decides to do
>>with her body and its contents and what went on at Auschwitz or any
>>other concentration camp, Nazi or Communist.
>
>	It is good to see you believe women should be exempt from all of
>the illegal drug laws.  They can use heroin and enter the defense it
>is her body and she can do what she wants with it.  
>
>	While I support that position for both sexes, you can not invoke
>the "own body" argument without invoking it in all cases and
>circumstances.  
>
>	Unless you adopt the all cases and circumstances position for
both
>sexes, you have to argue either an exception for drugs or an exception
>for pregnancy.  

 The drug laws should be repealed. I myself wouldn't touch dope with a
ten-foot pole, but I believe the government should get out of this. Its
"war on drugs" is lost -- unless you want to believe that prohibition
worked (hic).

>	=====
>
>	I am reminded of the Grey space alien and what he said.  
>
>	These humans, you take them out of the atmosphere and they can
not
>live.  Therefore we can do what we want with them as they have not
>sufficiently matured.  
>
>
>=====
>http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html The Dark Web Pages
of Zionism 
>http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite
>http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light
>http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site
>http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions
>http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/holo/index.html Reflections upon the
Holocaust
>http://www.demon.co.uk/natofeur/mgindex.html Reflections upon the
Holocaust (mirror)
>http://netnow.micron.net/~kurtstel/">Reflections upon the Holocaust
(mirror)
>http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam
>http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The
Leuchter Report
>http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report
>http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website
>http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving
>http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust
(Bradley Smith) 
>http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents
>http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html  L'Association des Anciens
Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et d'Holocauste (also in English)  
>http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz 
>http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball)
>http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute 

-- 
sma4@ix.netcom.com
"The concept of 'greatness' entails being noble,
 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia


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In <32A25055.1AC2@mindspring.com> Amazon 
writes: 
>
>Steven posts: 
>
>
>See, e.g., the "Atlas Of Ancient Egypt" by John Baines and Jaromir
>Malek (1990, Facts On File, Inc., 460 Park Avenue, New York, N.Y. 
>10016) or any other good book on the history of ancient Egypt.
> The Bible doesn't say anything about Hebrews building the pyramids.
>I'm not telling you what to believe out of the Bible. Your religion is
>your own business. But basing it on the idea of the Hebrews (or
>extraterrestials, or blond, blue-eyed Teutons, or the Chinese, or
>what-have-you) building the pyramids is as questionable as basing it
on
>the idea the universe being created only 6,000 or 10,000 years ago (as
>some Biblical literalists would have us believe).
>
>Steven-
>
>Actually I would have to say that thought there were Hebrews present
>they were not entirely responsible for the pyramids. I think, and I
have
>to check on this, they were responsible for building Ramses II's
rather
>formidable statues honoring himself and various other large stone
>structures that are still standing in Egypt. The problem seems to be
>with the unfortunate misstatement that the Jews were solely
responsible
>for the pyramids. This may straighten out the timeline dilemna.
>
>Amazon

 Hokay. I think we're getting this one cleared up. Hebrews and others
in the empire, along with the native Egyptian populace, were indeed
conscripted into building public works such as statues and temples
around the time of Ramses II.
 Really, though, Jews have done so much in the 20th century on an
intellectual level, in all fields, that there is no need to go back to
ancient Egypt to look for acheivements of Jews.  
-- 
sma4@ix.netcom.com
"The concept of 'greatness' entails being noble,
 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia


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In <32A067D6.26EE@internetMCI.com> Milton Wong
 writes: 
>
>Bruce Forest wrote:

>> Now I see why you defend Gore: you have a few anti-Semitic
sentiments
>> yourself, don't you? Fission was first demonstrated by a team of
Germans in
>> 1938, none of whom were Jews. Yes, Robert Oppenheimer was a Jew.
What about
>> Leslie Groves, Neils Bohr and Richard Feynman?
>
>I have heard that Bohr had Jewish ancestry. What makes you think that
>Groves and Feynman did not? By the way, by "Jew" I mean anyone with
any
>Jewish ancestry, regardless of their religious beliefs.

 I have heard that Mr. Feynman is also Jewish. A great scientist and a
man I admire.
-- 
sma4@ix.netcom.com
"The concept of 'greatness' entails being noble,
 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia


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In <32A1DDE7.77AD@mindspring.com> Amazon 
writes: 
>
>Steven posts:
>
>
>>  The Egyptians were very mixed racially. The pyramids were not built
by
>> slaves, but by farmers during the flood seasons. And the pyramids
were
>> ancient by the time the Hebrews (along with some other peoples) made
>> their appearance in Egypt. Don't get your history from Hollywood.
>
>Please give me a basis for this. I would like to see where and from
whom
>you found this. If this were true, and I doubt it, then the entire
>tradition of Passover would be a moot point.
>
>Amazon

 See, e.g., the "Atlas Of Ancient Egypt" by John Baines and Jaromir
Malek (1990, Facts On File, Inc., 460 Park Avenue, New York, N.Y. 
10016) or any other good book on the history of ancient Egypt.
 The Bible doesn't say anything about Hebrews building the pyramids.
I'm not telling you what to believe out of the Bible. Your religion is
your own business. But basing it on the idea of the Hebrews (or
extraterrestials, or blond, blue-eyed Teutons, or the Chinese, or
what-have-you) building the pyramids is as questionable as basing it on
the idea the universe being created only 6,000 or 10,000 years ago (as
some Biblical literalists would have us believe). 
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 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
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In <32a2e90f.1064611@news.gte.net> PJO@is.back (Leprechan) writes: 
>
>On 2 Dec 1996 01:31:07 GMT, sma4@ix.netcom.com(Steven Malcolm
>Anderson) wrote:
>
>>In <32A1DD4B.6E54@mindspring.com> Amazon 
>>writes: 
>>>
>>>Leprechaun The Ignorant posts:
>>>
>>>>         So it is quite clear, there was never a Moses, no
>>Commandments, no
>>>> relationship with a god, no Mosaic Law, no dietary laws, no
>>foundation
>>>> for being Jewish other than primitive tribal superstition
regarding
>>>> events that never happened to people who never existed.
>>
>> Rubbish.
>
>	It is unclear what you are calling rubbish.

 I was referring to the insanity of denying that a Jewish people ever
existed. I don't believe in the Bible theologically myself and I'm not
asking you to, but as literature it exists. SOMEBODY wrote those books.
Obviously they were written by Jews, not Greeks or Chinese.

  Or are you one of
>those who believes, contrary to all archaeological, philological and
>any other form of evidence that the "hebrews" (whoever they were) were
>ever living in Egypt?  And you believe it why?  Because the bible
>tells you so?  

 I don't know or care if any Hebrews ever lived there or not. (Just as
historical fact, they did come under the sway of the empire [New
Kingdom]. But that's neither here nor there.) Some people have a
political/religious agenda in proving that they did (e.g. to prove the
Bible). Other people, like you, have a political/racial agenda in
proving that they did not (e.g. to prove some Nazi theory). Myself, I
couldn't care less one way or another. I'm more interested in the
Egyptians themselves and what they accomplished. I would prefer that
you who have political axes to grind not grind them on the stones of
the pyramids.

>>>What you are essentially doing is denying the existance of an entire
>>>culture and religion dating back to close to 6000 years.
>>
>> He might as well deny the existence of the ancient Chinese culture
>>while he's at it.  
>
>	Rather it is like you believing the story that the first chinese
>flew here from the land of two moons.  You can add to that belief in
>the first emperor of China who is considered to be largely mythical.  

 The first emperor of China was Shi Huang-Ti, founder of the Chin
dynasty (from which China got its name). This was very brutal and
short-lived and was followed by the more succesful Han dynasty. (The
Chinese themselves identify more with this latter and call themselves
"Han Min" [people of Han].) It was Shi Huang-Ti who built the Great
Wall. Before his reign, there was no empire and China consisted of a
number of independent kingdoms. 

>>>Idiocy abounds in Leprechaun Land.
>>
>> He's obviously re-writing history to fit his bigoted political
agenda.  
>
>	You would do well to look into egyptology before you open your
>mouth on the subject again.  I am not rewriting it, I am recounting
>it.  It is your bible stories that have you out in left field.  

 I have spent most of my life studying Egyptian history and religion.
Myself, I am a polytheist and prefer the Egyptian religion to that of
the Bible or the Koran. Politically, I believe in the Constitution,
incl. the First and Second Amendments. The First means that I'm free to
exercise my religion and you're free to exercise yours. It also means
that you have the right to spout your racist nonsense and others have
the right to flame you for it. Unlike you, I'm not interested in
re-writing the history of World War II to fit some political agenda, as
that dishonors not only those who died in the camps, but also those
brave soldiers who died or risked their lives at D-Day.

>=====
>http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html The Dark Web Pages
of Zionism 
>http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite
>http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light
>http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site
>http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions
>http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/holo/index.html Reflections upon the
Holocaust
>http://www.demon.co.uk/natofeur/mgindex.html Reflections upon the
Holocaust (mirror)
>http://netnow.micron.net/~kurtstel/">Reflections upon the Holocaust
(mirror)
>http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam
>http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The
Leuchter Report
>http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report
>http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website
>http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving
>http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust
(Bradley Smith) 
>http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents
>http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html  L'Association des Anciens
Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et d'Holocauste (also in English)  
>http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz 
>http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball)
>http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute 

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 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
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In <32A1DDE7.77AD@mindspring.com> Amazon 
writes: 
>
>Steven posts:
>
>
>>  The Egyptians were very mixed racially. The pyramids were not built
by
>> slaves, but by farmers during the flood seasons. And the pyramids
were
>> ancient by the time the Hebrews (along with some other peoples) made
>> their appearance in Egypt. Don't get your history from Hollywood.
>
>Please give me a basis for this. I would like to see where and from
whom
>you found this. If this were true, and I doubt it, then the entire
>tradition of Passover would be a moot point.
>
>Amazon

 I've already given you one good source in another post. In any good
library or bookstore you should be able to find plenty of reliable
books on the history of ancient Egypt. You can't get it from movies!
 As I said, the Jewish tradition of the Passover is in no way
contingent on the Hebrews building the pyramids, which is found nowhere
in the Bible. BTW, ironically, this notion that the Hebrews built the
pyramids was first concocted in the 19th century by the so-called
"British Israel" movement, which has been and is today the source of
much of the worst anti-Semitism. I would advise you to steer clear of
such nonsense.
-- 
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"The concept of 'greatness' entails being noble,
 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia


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In 
bforest@mindspring.com (Bruce Forest) writes: 
>
>In article <32A1B607.1667@internetMCI.com>,
milton.wong@internetMCI.com wrote:
>
>> Steven Malcolm Anderson wrote:
>> > 
>> > In <32A067D6.26EE@internetMCI.com> Milton Wong
>> >  writes:
>> > >
>> > >Bruce Forest wrote:
>> > 
>> > >> Now I see why you defend Gore: you have a few anti-Semitic
>> > sentiments
>> > >> yourself, don't you? Fission was first demonstrated by a team
of
>> > Germans in
>> > >> 1938, none of whom were Jews. Yes, Robert Oppenheimer was a
Jew.
>> > What about
>> > >> Leslie Groves, Neils Bohr and Richard Feynman?
>> > >
>> > >I have heard that Bohr had Jewish ancestry. What makes you think
that
>> > >Groves and Feynman did not? By the way, by "Jew" I mean anyone
with
>> > any
>> > >Jewish ancestry, regardless of their religious beliefs.
>> > 
>> >  I have heard that Mr. Feynman is also Jewish. A great scientist
and a
>> > man I admire.
>> 
>> Thus I was correct in pointing out that the U.S. atomic bomb, which
was
>> used to annihilate millions of innocent civilians in Hiroshima and
>> Nagasaki with no military justification whatsoever, was developed by
>> Jews. These bombings were morally equivalent to the Holocaust. I
would
>> also like to point out that the U.S. was responsible for other war
>> crimes as well, including the fire bombing of Dresden.
>
>Er, may I point out that it was Harry Truman, a 'Christian' who
dropped the
>atomic bombs, not the Lubavitcher Rebbe.
>
>> 
>> I certainly don't "admire" Feynman. I despise him.
>
>Ok, we believe you. You hate Jews. But why, may I ask, do you never
compare
>abortion to any of these horrors, such as the bombing of Hiroshima?
ONLY
>the Shoah gets this analogy.

 He also hates homosexuals.

>-- 
>Bruce Forest...
>bforest@mindspring.com/ bforest@interramp.com
>"It's not a pizza till it comes out of the oven."
>"No, no..it's a pizza the minute you stick your hands in the
dough!!"..Seinfeld
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 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
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In  olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
writes: 
>
>In article ,
Bruce Forest wrote:
>
>>To prevent asssholes like you from trying to convince the world the
Shoah
>>never happened. You are a well known anti-semite on alt.revisionism.
>>
> Because I dare to disagree with the Jews I am supposed to be an 
>anti-semite :-D :-D
>--
>Ole Kreiberg  http://login.dknet.dk/~olk

 Your constant use of the phrase "the Jews" is bigoted.
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 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
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In  olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
writes: 
>
>In article <57rel3$9fl@sjx-ixn3.ix.netcom.com>, Steven Malcolm Ande
wrote:
>>
>> Are you referring to the 1967 war when the Arab nations attacked
>>Israel and lost? 
>
> I am referring to the fact that the Jews stole Palestine from the
Arabs in
>the first place. In order to ethnic cleanse Palestine so that the Jews
could
>become the majority Jewish terrorist gangs committed the infamous Deir
>Yassin massacre, after which hundred thousands of Arabs fled to the 
>neighbouring Arab countries in panic.

 Even if this is the case, the European-descended settlers here in
America did much worse to the native American peoples. The United
States still has every right to exist and defend itself as a nation. So
does Israel.

>>
>> If they showed the same disrespect to you that you show to them,
you'd
>>be pissed as hell.
>
> I still do not understand what kind of respect I owe them.

 You owe them the respect of not rubbing their suffering, or your
disbelief in it, in their faces.

 I am Danish
>and no Danes participated in those events.

 The Danish king and people acted nobly during that war in resisting
the Nazis as much as they could.

 I do not understand why the >Germans and the Jews want to rape me with
their mutual sad history. 

 The entire world, most definitely including your country, was involved
in that war. And many Jews consider a denial of their suffering to be a
form of rape, in that sense.

>> Because they don't want it repeated.
>
> This statement sound rather paranoid to me. Why is there more danger
that
>this particular event could be repeated than other historical events?

 Because hatred of Jews (and other minorities such as homosexuals)
persists. Myself, I think the mass murders perpetrated by the
Communists should be emphasized more, along with the mass murders
perpetrated by the Nazis.

>>
>>>Returning to the subject. What is a fetus? A human being or a
subhuman
>>>being? If it you consider it a subhuman being, does that give you
the
>>right
>>>to kill it?
>>
>> I do not regard a fetus as human. 
>
> Now you are thinking like the nazis were supposed have done about the
Jews 
>according to the established historiography. According to the Germans
the 
>Jews were not supposed to be really human beings but "subhumans".
Fetuses 
>are not real human beings and can therefore be killed. Isn't this the
way 
>you are thinking?

 I don't accept that analogy as valid. What a woman does with her own
body and life is strictly a private matter between her and her God or
Gods -- and the government should stay out of it.
 And you, in particular, are in no position to make that analogy.

>>
>> I call you a Nazi because of your hateful in-your-face attitude
toward
>>Jewish people. 
>
> Why isn't it possible to criticise the Jews without being labelled
"nazi"
>or "anti-semite"? Are the Jews not able to do anything wrong?

 Your continual use of the phrase "the Jews", as if they were all the
same, is bigoted. Say "Jews" instead, with no "the".

>>You certainly do have the right to express your beliefs
>
> Not in countries like crazy STASI Germany and Funny France. Here it
is
>regarded a thought-crime to express dissident views on the established
>historiography of the fate of the Jews during WW2 in Germany and in
>the countries occupied by the Germans. 

 I oppose such laws. I believe in freedom of thought and expression
even for bigots.

>>or disbeliefs or, in this case, your obvious hatred for "the Jews",
>
>I criticise the Jews and this is supposed to be hatred. I thought
hatred
>was something you felt toward somebody supressing you or doing
something
>wrong to you? Like the Jews hating the Germans because of the
treatment
>given to them by the Germans during WW2.

 I oppose hatred of "the Germans" also. That, too, is bigoted. SOME
Germans are guilty of the Nazi murders, but not all. Many Germans
living today weren't even born then.

>--
>Ole Kreiberg  http://login.dknet.dk/~olk

-- 
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 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
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In <32A1DBB0.61F6@mindspring.com> Amazon 
writes: 
>
>Milton Wong posts:
>
>> Depends. If Ken Gore owned the "sacred Torah scroll", he could do
>> whatever he wanted to it, whereas if it were your "sacred Torah
scroll",
>> you would be justified in preventing him. The Torah scroll is only
>> "sacred" to you, not to me.
>
>
>Mr. Wong: ( I will presume no other name because I would not want to
>know you personally)
>
>It is apparent that you have no respect for people's beliefs other
than
>your own. To say that the Torah is not sacred to you so it would be
okay
>for you to defame it is quite statement. 

 Mr Wong, get this: If you are Communist burning your own American
flag, you have the right to do so, but other people have the same right
to be pissed as hell at you for it and to make that very clear to you.
Same holds with the Torah or any other book or symbol held sacred by
people.

>What that truly says is that you have no empathy or understanding for
>those people who have differing beliefs and outlooks than your own. It
>is sad that you lack the ability to walk a mile in another's shoes.

 He's a bigot who also hates homosexuals. 

-- 
sma4@ix.netcom.com
"The concept of 'greatness' entails being noble,
 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia


From sma4@ix.netcom.com Tue Dec  3 06:50:04 PST 1996
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From: sma4@ix.netcom.com(Steven Malcolm Anderson)
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Subject: Re: Gore with the ultimate anti-Semitism.....
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In <32A1DD4B.6E54@mindspring.com> Amazon 
writes: 
>
>Leprechaun The Ignorant posts:
>
>>         So it is quite clear, there was never a Moses, no
Commandments, no
>> relationship with a god, no Mosaic Law, no dietary laws, no
foundation
>> for being Jewish other than primitive tribal superstition regarding
>> events that never happened to people who never existed.

 Rubbish.

>What you are essentially doing is denying the existance of an entire
>culture and religion dating back to close to 6000 years.

 He might as well deny the existence of the ancient Chinese culture
while he's at it.

>Hmmmmmmmmmm, interesting.
>
>By the way, I have an IQ of 160, I am an undergraduate in Psychology
>from Cornell University,(#2 in my class), a masters in Psychology from
>NYU and a Ph.D. in Clinical Psych from NYU. Boy that makes me one dumb
>Jew, now doesn't it?
>
>Oh, I forget, there is no such thing as a Jew now is there?
>
>Idiocy abounds in Leprechaun Land.

 He's obviously re-writing history to fit his bigoted political agenda.

>Amazon

-- 
sma4@ix.netcom.com
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 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia


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In <32A272BF.3EF8@cannet.com> Cheryl Morris  writes:

>Steven Malcolm Anderson wrote:

 

>>  Because hatred of Jews (and other minorities such as homosexuals)
>> persists. Myself, I think the mass murders perpetrated by the
>> Communists should be emphasized more, along with the mass murders
>> perpetrated by the Nazis.
>> 
>
>In terms of numbers of individuals who were slaughtered, the
Communists
>have the Nazis beat.  In fact, we will probably be amazed as more
>history of what is now the former Soviet Union becomes public at not
>only the numbers but the reasons why people were slaughtered.
>
>Cheryl-back briefly

 Quite true. And, just as we have been saying to the Nazis, we must
also say to the Communists: "Never Again!"

-- 
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"The concept of 'greatness' entails being noble,
 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia


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In <57v4cn$44k@madrid.visi.net> "Rev. Donald Spitz" 
writes: 
>
>The truth is that if you die still in your sodomite filthy sins you
will 
>be lost forever in the Lake of Fire to suffer eternal torment. 
> Your only hope is turning from your filthy sins and turning to the
Lord 
>Jesus Christ and beg Him to wash you clean and to forgive you.
> REMEMBER THIS:  No homosexuals will ever enter the kingdom of God.
The 
>only other place is the Lake of Fire. Turn from your filthy perversion
>and turn to Jesus Christ and be saved.

 Keep posting this shit, Spitz. I love it! har! har! "Evil, be Thou my
Good." -Nietzsche

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 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
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In <57v5t8$4el@madrid.visi.net> "Rev. Donald Spitz" 
writes: 
>
>This newsgroup is about baby killing abortionists. If you want to talk
>about filthy sexual sodomite perverts go to a homo newsgroup.

 Splendid! I love this shit! Keep it up, Spitz! I'm proud to be a
filthy, wicked, selfish, evil, gynophilic pervert!
"Evil, be Thou my Good" -Nietzsche

-- 
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 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia


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In <57cvc5$cn8@news.tamu.edu> kjackson@cs.tamu.edu (Keith E Jackson)
writes: 
>
>Note followups
>
>In article <3299CA15.14DC@express-news.net>,
>Papa Jack   wrote:
>>Ray Fischer wrote:
>
>>> > Steven Malcolm Anderson  wrote:
>>> > The NRA is, I think, doing a good job defending the 2nd 
>>> > Amendment.  NOW's position on the 1st wrt porn is not good.
>
>>> Ray Fischer wrote:
>>> It's almost like the NRA defending teflon-coated bullets and 
>>> fully automatic "assault" weapons so that they can keep hunting 
>>> deer.
>
>Psst, Ray!  Perhaps you would like to explain to the audience the
>significance of a "teflon-coated" bullet?  Feel free to cite any
>*OBJECTIVE* reports on what they can and cannot do.  (This should
>be interesting.)
>
>Next, define "assault weapon" and explain why your definition,
>unlike the legal definition, includes automatic weapons.  Free clue :
>the "assault weapons" in the recent ban were not fully automatic at
>all, but rather semi-automatic weapons which "looked scary".
>
>Now, I disagree with the NRA's tactics on some items, but certainly
>not on these issues.
>
>Furthermore, the second amendement has *NOTHING* whatsoever
>to do with hunting.
>
>>Papa Jack laughed:
>>Now you two cut that out.  You're supposed to always write dumb
>>stuff I disagree with.  But, when you two disagree, that means I 
>>must agree with one of you -- and that hurts my feelings. ;>)
>
>>I hate to say it, but Ray is right -- the NRA has done great
>>damage to themselves with their radical stand on automatic 
>>weapons.  
>
>Why is it a "radical stand" to stick up for the second amendment?
>
>Can you tell us of any example of a legal owner of an automatic
>weapon using it to commit a crime?  Can you tell us how often
>automatic weapons are used to commit crimes?
>
>Is there a rational basis for this fear of guns which fire fast?
>
>-- 
>Keith

 If guns are outlawed, then only outlaws will have guns -- and _I_ will
be one of the outlaws. Same with porn.
-- 
sma4@ix.netcom.com
"The concept of 'greatness' entails being noble,
 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia


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In <57e4c3$k0m$4@venus.texoma.com> joesylvester@texoma.net (Joe
Sylvester) writes: 

 A good, factual post refuting government lies and defending the 2nd
Amendment:  

>In article <329A67DC.5825@express-news.net>, papajack@express-news.net
says...
>>
>>K
>>Now where did I say it was a "radical stand" to stick up for the 
>>Second Amendment?  I stick up for the Second Amendment.  
>>
>>However, I do think the government can and should place some 
>>outside limits on the types of weapons which private citizens 
>>may own.  The most obvious example is atomic/nuclear weapons.
>>I would also get a bit nervous if my neighbor had a tank or
>>certain types of artillery.
>>
>>I know the Second Amendment didn't make allowances for such 
>>limitations, but my common sense also tells me that the 
>>Founding Fathers didn't envision A-bombs either when they
>>wrote it.  Instead, they envisioned the sort of militia that
>>had just won the Revolution -- thousands of individuals grab-
>>bing their own single shot rifles off the mantelpiece and 
>>answering the call of patriotism.
>
>Or their privately owned cannon, loaded with grape, which can make a
much 
>large mess than any assault "weapon", or assault rifle for that
matter. Then 
>there were the privatly owned ships, outfitted with similar cannon.
These were 
>known as privateers.
>
>
>
>>
>>You made a very good point to Ray.  Some assault weapons were 
>>included in the law because the looked scary.  When you look
>>at the firing capacity of some of those weapons it is obvious
>>they didn't belong on the list.  It is also obvious that many
>>legislators voted in ignorance.
>
>They were *all* included because they looked scarry. They all have
essentially 
>th same rate of fire, basically as fast as you can *repeatedly* pull
the 
>trigger. Meanwhile other guns, most especially the Ruger Mini-14/30
where 
>specifically exempted from the ban, unless they had folding stocks,
even 
>though they fire at the same rate and can also except large capacity 
>ammunition feeding devices. (The mini-14 fires the same round as the
M-16, 
>while the Mini-30 is chambered for the same round as the AK-47.)
>
>
>
>
>>
>>No, I cannot tell you an example of a LEGAL owner of an automatic
>>weapon using it to commit a crime?   That's because I don't know
>>whether those gang members who do the drive by shootings with
>>Uzis are the "legal owners" of the weapons.  Also, I don't know if
>>the drug runners who carry automatic weapons are the "legal" owners
>>of those weapons.  I do know, however, that when police with
>>semi-automatic weapons go up against such folks, the police are at
>>a disadvantage. 
>
>Not really, aimed semi-automatic fire is more effective than full
auto, except 
>in certain limited circumstances, mainly involving assaults (hence the
name 
>assault rifle)  If those circumstances should occur, the police can
call for 
>backup armed with fully automatic weapons, should they not have them
in the 
>cruiser as many do.
>
>
>>My main complain against the NRA is that they come across as radicals

>>at a time when they needed to be building respectability.  This
causes 
>>them to lose political clout when we need them to be acting a a
primary 
>>spokesman for those of us who believe in the Second Amendment.  If 
>>we're not careful, one of these days the radical left will be sending

>>jackbooted thugs into our homes to confiscate ALL guns of any sort.  
>>And, the Supreme Court will be helping them justify their actions by
>>some sort of "emanations of penumbras."
>>
>
>The NRA couldn't "build respectability" in todays political and media
climate, 
>unless they embraced Chuckie Schumer and Dianne Fiensteins agenda.
Most of 
>what you read and see about the NRA is highly slanted and/or
completely false. 
>
>Many, myself included at times, think the NRA has been less forcefull
than 
>they might have been in defended the right of the people to keep and
bear 
>arms. Maybe that means they are doing about right, but it's also the
reason 
>mamy belong to more fundamentalist organizations in addition to the
NRA.
>
>The NRA is probably the least "extreme" and  most "reasonable" of the
gun 
>rights organization. Unless of the course you count the "bolt action"
group 
>which embraces most of the Cereal Killer's agenda, just as long as
they can 
>keep there bolt action hunting and target shooting guns. (soon to be
known as 
>"Sniper Rifles")
>
>
>
>
>-- 
>              The Second Amendment is the RESET button 
>                   of the United States Constitution.  
>                          ---Doug McKay"  
>Joe Sylvester
>Don't Tread On Me !
>

-- 
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"The concept of 'greatness' entails being noble,
 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia


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In <57i46u$a37@kirin.wwa.com> msimon@rworld.com (M Simon) writes: 
>
>I hope you get your wish. The black market in guns will make the
>black market in drugs look like a Sunday picnic. 
>
>I can't wait.
>
>Simon

 Prohibition worked. (hic)
-- 
sma4@ix.netcom.com
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 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia


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From: sma4@ix.netcom.com(Steven Malcolm Anderson)
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In <57cvc5$cn8@news.tamu.edu> kjackson@cs.tamu.edu (Keith E Jackson)
writes: 
>
>Note followups
>
>In article <3299CA15.14DC@express-news.net>,
>Papa Jack   wrote:
>>Ray Fischer wrote:
>
>>> > Steven Malcolm Anderson  wrote:
>>> > The NRA is, I think, doing a good job defending the 2nd 
>>> > Amendment.  NOW's position on the 1st wrt porn is not good.
>
>>> Ray Fischer wrote:
>>> It's almost like the NRA defending teflon-coated bullets and 
>>> fully automatic "assault" weapons so that they can keep hunting 
>>> deer.
>
>Psst, Ray!  Perhaps you would like to explain to the audience the
>significance of a "teflon-coated" bullet?  Feel free to cite any
>*OBJECTIVE* reports on what they can and cannot do.  (This should
>be interesting.)
>
>Next, define "assault weapon" and explain why your definition,
>unlike the legal definition, includes automatic weapons.  Free clue :
>the "assault weapons" in the recent ban were not fully automatic at
>all, but rather semi-automatic weapons which "looked scary".
>
>Now, I disagree with the NRA's tactics on some items, but certainly
>not on these issues.
>
>Furthermore, the second amendement has *NOTHING* whatsoever
>to do with hunting.
>
>>Papa Jack laughed:
>>Now you two cut that out.  You're supposed to always write dumb
>>stuff I disagree with.  But, when you two disagree, that means I 
>>must agree with one of you -- and that hurts my feelings. ;>)
>
>>I hate to say it, but Ray is right -- the NRA has done great
>>damage to themselves with their radical stand on automatic 
>>weapons.  
>
>Why is it a "radical stand" to stick up for the second amendment?
>
>Can you tell us of any example of a legal owner of an automatic
>weapon using it to commit a crime?  Can you tell us how often
>automatic weapons are used to commit crimes?
>
>Is there a rational basis for this fear of guns which fire fast?
>
>-- 
>Keith

 If guns are outlawed, then only outlaws will have guns -- and _I_ will
be one of the outlaws. Same with porn.
-- 
sma4@ix.netcom.com
"The concept of 'greatness' entails being noble,
 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia


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In <57e4c3$k0m$4@venus.texoma.com> joesylvester@texoma.net (Joe
Sylvester) writes: 

 A good, factual post refuting government lies and defending the 2nd
Amendment:  

>In article <329A67DC.5825@express-news.net>, papajack@express-news.net
says...
>>
>>K
>>Now where did I say it was a "radical stand" to stick up for the 
>>Second Amendment?  I stick up for the Second Amendment.  
>>
>>However, I do think the government can and should place some 
>>outside limits on the types of weapons which private citizens 
>>may own.  The most obvious example is atomic/nuclear weapons.
>>I would also get a bit nervous if my neighbor had a tank or
>>certain types of artillery.
>>
>>I know the Second Amendment didn't make allowances for such 
>>limitations, but my common sense also tells me that the 
>>Founding Fathers didn't envision A-bombs either when they
>>wrote it.  Instead, they envisioned the sort of militia that
>>had just won the Revolution -- thousands of individuals grab-
>>bing their own single shot rifles off the mantelpiece and 
>>answering the call of patriotism.
>
>Or their privately owned cannon, loaded with grape, which can make a
much 
>large mess than any assault "weapon", or assault rifle for that
matter. Then 
>there were the privatly owned ships, outfitted with similar cannon.
These were 
>known as privateers.
>
>
>
>>
>>You made a very good point to Ray.  Some assault weapons were 
>>included in the law because the looked scary.  When you look
>>at the firing capacity of some of those weapons it is obvious
>>they didn't belong on the list.  It is also obvious that many
>>legislators voted in ignorance.
>
>They were *all* included because they looked scarry. They all have
essentially 
>th same rate of fire, basically as fast as you can *repeatedly* pull
the 
>trigger. Meanwhile other guns, most especially the Ruger Mini-14/30
where 
>specifically exempted from the ban, unless they had folding stocks,
even 
>though they fire at the same rate and can also except large capacity 
>ammunition feeding devices. (The mini-14 fires the same round as the
M-16, 
>while the Mini-30 is chambered for the same round as the AK-47.)
>
>
>
>
>>
>>No, I cannot tell you an example of a LEGAL owner of an automatic
>>weapon using it to commit a crime?   That's because I don't know
>>whether those gang members who do the drive by shootings with
>>Uzis are the "legal owners" of the weapons.  Also, I don't know if
>>the drug runners who carry automatic weapons are the "legal" owners
>>of those weapons.  I do know, however, that when police with
>>semi-automatic weapons go up against such folks, the police are at
>>a disadvantage. 
>
>Not really, aimed semi-automatic fire is more effective than full
auto, except 
>in certain limited circumstances, mainly involving assaults (hence the
name 
>assault rifle)  If those circumstances should occur, the police can
call for 
>backup armed with fully automatic weapons, should they not have them
in the 
>cruiser as many do.
>
>
>>My main complain against the NRA is that they come across as radicals

>>at a time when they needed to be building respectability.  This
causes 
>>them to lose political clout when we need them to be acting a a
primary 
>>spokesman for those of us who believe in the Second Amendment.  If 
>>we're not careful, one of these days the radical left will be sending

>>jackbooted thugs into our homes to confiscate ALL guns of any sort.  
>>And, the Supreme Court will be helping them justify their actions by
>>some sort of "emanations of penumbras."
>>
>
>The NRA couldn't "build respectability" in todays political and media
climate, 
>unless they embraced Chuckie Schumer and Dianne Fiensteins agenda.
Most of 
>what you read and see about the NRA is highly slanted and/or
completely false. 
>
>Many, myself included at times, think the NRA has been less forcefull
than 
>they might have been in defended the right of the people to keep and
bear 
>arms. Maybe that means they are doing about right, but it's also the
reason 
>mamy belong to more fundamentalist organizations in addition to the
NRA.
>
>The NRA is probably the least "extreme" and  most "reasonable" of the
gun 
>rights organization. Unless of the course you count the "bolt action"
group 
>which embraces most of the Cereal Killer's agenda, just as long as
they can 
>keep there bolt action hunting and target shooting guns. (soon to be
known as 
>"Sniper Rifles")
>
>
>
>
>-- 
>              The Second Amendment is the RESET button 
>                   of the United States Constitution.  
>                          ---Doug McKay"  
>Joe Sylvester
>Don't Tread On Me !
>

-- 
sma4@ix.netcom.com
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 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
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In 
bforest@mindspring.com (Bruce Forest) writes: 
>
>In article <57tb6u$2eb@sjx-ixn10.ix.netcom.com>,
sma4@ix.netcom.com(Steven
>Malcolm Anderson) wrote:
>
>[...about Milton Wong:]
>
>> 
>>  He's a bigot who also hates homosexuals. 
>> 
>
>But, when Mark Cochran called him 'pink boy,' he took it as an
Oriental
>racial slur, and threatened legal action. Go figure.

 He's a hypocrite.

>-- 
>Bruce Forest...
>bforest@mindspring.com/ bforest@interramp.com
>"It's not a pizza till it comes out of the oven."
>"No, no..it's a pizza the minute you stick your hands in the
dough!!"..Seinfeld
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 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
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In  olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
writes: 
>
>In article <57tafc$kgc@dfw-ixnews2.ix.netcom.com>, Steven Malcolm Ande
wrote:
>>
>> You owe them the respect of not rubbing their suffering, or your
>>disbelief in it, in their faces.
>
> Why? Is their suffering more than 50 years ago something sacred? If
they
>keep reminding me about their oh so important sufferings before I was
even
>born I will take the liberty of criticising them.

 Cripe! If you don't like Jews and hearing about the Holocaust (Shoah),
then why are you reading and posting in alt.revisionism? I think I
remember seeing you there a year and a half ago. Why are you still
there if you think it's so trivial, etc.? Go read some other newsgroup,
huh? (BTW, I'm posting from talk.abortion. Defending women's rights
means more to me than re-writing the history of World War II to fit
some racist agenda.)
-- 
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 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia


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In  olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
writes: 
>
>In article <580g2o$m5r@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com>, Steven Malcolm Ande
wrote:
>>
>> Cripe! If you don't like Jews and hearing about the Holocaust
(Shoah),
>>then why are you reading and posting in alt.revisionism? 
>
>  Because of the suppression of the freedom of speech for revisionists
in 
>France and Germany and the attempts by the same nations to bully my
country 
>through the EU into doing the same. Whether the holocaust happened or
not is 
>to me a small issue in comparison to the assaults on the freedom of
speech. 
>I think that everyone has a moral obligation to question or even
better to 
>refuse to believe in the Holocaust as a protest to such bizarre
legislation.  

 Ridiculous. I've already stated that I believe in freedom of speech
for revisionists, as for everyone else. That doesn't in any way mean
that I have to believe in revisionism. 
-- 
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 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia


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In  karlpov@access5.digex.net (Charles R.L.
Power) writes: 

 Another excellent, factual analysis of this whole thing. (More of my
comments below)

>Amazon  writes:
>
>>So if the Hebrews did NOT build the pyramids, what was the racial
>>make-up of the slaves that did build the pyramids?
>
>They weren't slaves per se, but Egyptian peasants conscripted to a
>period of labor for the Pharaoh. This was necessary for the
>upkeep of the Egyptian "infrastructure"--in particular the irrigation
>works. Some labor was left over for other construction, which included
>the pyramids.
>
>When magnificent structures are found somewhere, wouldn't your default
>assumption be that they were produced by the inhabitants of that area?

 That would be _my_ assumption.

>Why would you assume that anyone other than Egyptians built the
Egyptian
>pyramids? This reminds me a little of the lost white races of mound
>builders to whom impressive prehistoric North American structures were
>attributed on the grounds that the Injuns were obviously too dumb.

 Some people seem to feel that they have to re-write history to fit
their racist agendas. Myself, I think that stinks.


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 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
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In <32a451f2.252435@news.gte.net> Delorean@cobble.frie (Trunksated)
writes: 
>
>On 3 Dec 1996 06:07:20 GMT, sma4@ix.netcom.com(Steven Malcolm
>Anderson) wrote:
>
>>In  olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole
Kreiberg)
>>writes: 
>>>
>>>In article <57tafc$kgc@dfw-ixnews2.ix.netcom.com>, Steven Malcolm
Ande
>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>> You owe them the respect of not rubbing their suffering, or your
>>>>disbelief in it, in their faces.
>>>
>>> Why? Is their suffering more than 50 years ago something sacred? If
>>they
>>>keep reminding me about their oh so important sufferings before I
was
>>even
>>>born I will take the liberty of criticising them.
>>
>> Cripe! If you don't like Jews and hearing about the Holocaust
(Shoah),
>>then why are you reading and posting in alt.revisionism? 
>
>	Perhaps because this conference is not for the constant rehashing
>and moaning over the WW II propaganda and Soviet fabrications

 Ironically, in another post you imply that Stalin's mass murders have
been exaggerated also. Which I also don't believe.

>regarding this particular holocaust?  If the holobuggers were not so
>intent upon perverting and spamming this conference with such bull we
>could get on with the work of revisionism.  

 I thought you revisionists were for open debate.

>I think I
>>remember seeing you there a year and a half ago. Why are you still
>>there if you think it's so trivial, etc.? Go read some other
newsgroup,
>>huh? (BTW, I'm posting from talk.abortion. Defending women's rights
>>means more to me than re-writing the history of World War II to fit
>>some racist agenda.)
>
>	Rather you have missed the point entirely.  The "history" of the
>holocaust has been discarding the ridiculous aspects of it under the
>pretention that a few people can do better in their spare time than
>the Allies did with millions of man-hours in support of the war crimes
>trials.  That is of course patently absurd but without it we would
>still have the official conclusions of death by steaming,
>electrocution, suffocation and burning alive.  That last, burning
>alive, is the basis for the name Holocaust as it was the most popular
>means of "inhumane" execution at the time it was adopted.  

 Yeah, yeah. Even you revisionists admit that millions, died from
disease and starvation in the camps. That alone is horrible enough, I
would say. And why were these people put in camps in the first place?
That alone is inexcusable. So if Anne Frank died from typhus rather
than from gas doesn't mitigate the heinousness of her death one tiniest
bit.
 And I would like to see you tell one of the soldiers who braved
machine-gun bullets while scaling the cliffs of Normandy that we should
not have fought Hitler. 

>=====
>http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html The Dark Web Pages
of Zionism 
>http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite
>http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light
>http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site
>http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions
>http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/holo/index.html Reflections upon the
Holocaust
>http://www.demon.co.uk/natofeur/mgindex.html Reflections upon the
Holocaust (mirror)
>http://netnow.micron.net/~kurtstel/">Reflections upon the Holocaust
(mirror)
>http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam
>http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The
Leuchter Report
>http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report
>http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website
>http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving
>http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust
(Bradley Smith) 
>http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents
>http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html  L'Association des Anciens
Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et d'Holocauste (also in English)  
>http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz 
>http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball)
>http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute 

-- 
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"The concept of 'greatness' entails being noble,
 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
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In  Robert@cartel.westfalen.de
(Robert) writes: 
>
>sma4@ix.netcom.com(Steven Malcolm Anderson) wrote:
>
>>In <32A272BF.3EF8@cannet.com> Cheryl Morris 
writes:
>
>>>Steven Malcolm Anderson wrote:
>
>> 
>
>>>>  Because hatred of Jews (and other minorities such as homosexuals)
>>>> persists. Myself, I think the mass murders perpetrated by the
>>>> Communists should be emphasized more, along with the mass murders
>>>> perpetrated by the Nazis.
>>>> 
>>>
>>>In terms of numbers of individuals who were slaughtered, the
>>Communists
>>>have the Nazis beat.  In fact, we will probably be amazed as more
>>>history of what is now the former Soviet Union becomes public at not
>>>only the numbers but the reasons why people were slaughtered.
>>>
>>>Cheryl-back briefly
>
>> Quite true. And, just as we have been saying to the Nazis, we must
>>also say to the Communists: "Never Again!"
>
>Afterall the Communist(InerNational Socialists )and the National
>Socialists are ideologically and historically related..
>One does not need to point towards the terrible anti-Semite and
>Racist..writings..by Karl Marx to know that!
>Its all a much broughter discussion.
>Its also very clear to somebody who really investigates the idoelogy
>and historical roots of National Socialism (that to call the Nazis
>Rightwing;) is really showing lack of knowledge and historical
>ignorance!
>
>Greetings from Germany
>
>Robert

 Greetings from the U.S.! You got that right! If International
Socialists (Communists) are on the "Left" and National Socialists
(Nazis) are on the "Right", then where do you put someone like me who
believes in the opposite of both: i.e., in individual freedom and
_limited_ government?

-- 
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"The concept of 'greatness' entails being noble,
 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia


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In <32A5A709.75F@thecia.net> Jon Richt  writes: 
>
>---much snippage---
>>Abortion seems something which is so 
>>personal to the woman involved, that it would be best if abortion
simply 
>>became something women don't want to choose, not something which they
are not 
>>allowed to have.
>---slightly less snippage---
>
>BINGO!
>THIS is the solution to the whole abortion problem
>
>Jon Richt

 Then certain pro-lifers would go after whatever replaced abortion and
damn women as selfish sluts for choosing _that_.
-- 
sma4@ix.netcom.com
"The concept of 'greatness' entails being noble,
 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia


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In <32A5A3F6.1C8C@rio.com> Chuck Ferree  writes: 
>
>Chuck Ferree writes:
>
>My mind tells me to stay out of this one, but my glands tell me to go 
>kick some ass. As George Bush once said, thinking his mike was off.
>
>
>Elevated wrote:
>
>Elevated? Does that have some sort of Freuden conotation. O.K. so I 
>ain't no great speller.
>>
>> >In <32a451f2.252435@news.gte.net> Delorean@cobble.frie (Trunksated)
>> >writes:
>> Steven Malcolm
>> >Anderson
>> >>>wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> You owe them the respect of not rubbing their suffering, or
your
>> >>>>>disbelief in it, in their faces.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Why? Is their suffering more than 50 years ago something
sacred? If they keep reminding me about their oh so important
sufferings before I was even born I will take the liberty of
criticising them.
>
>What's sacred to one person may not be sacred to another. For 
>instance, having served my country through out WW-II, and a while 
>after, and having been a witness to the Nazi perpetrated systematic 
>murder, torture, starvation, and various and sundry other cruelties in
>several of the main Death Camps, and even smaller nameless sub-camps, 
>the memory of all that terrible suffering on so many innocent people, 
>by government policy...is sacred to me and any of the other men who 
>went into the camps.

 This man saw what he saw with his own eyes. Are you revisionists going
to dispute _that_ now? (Bet you are. You always do.)

>> >>>
>> >>> Cripe! If you don't like Jews and hearing about the Holocaust
>> >(Shoah),
>> >>>then why are you reading and posting in alt.revisionism?
>> >>
>> >>      Perhaps because this conference is not for the constant
rehashing
>> >>and moaning over the WW II propaganda and Soviet fabrications
>
>It isn't about abortions or women's rights either. What it is about is
>the Holocaust, whether you believe it all happened or just some of it 
>happened, or even a little bit of it happened, or the whole thing is a
>figment of my imagination or a figment of your imagination.
>
>> >
>> > Ironically, in another post you imply that Stalin's mass murders
have
>> >been exaggerated also. Which I also don't believe.
>
>Making Stalin less evil than Hitler, I suppose.

 I, for one, totally condemn them both. Mao, too.

>> >
>> >>regarding this particular holocaust?  If the holobuggers were not
so
>> >>intent upon perverting and spamming this conference with such bull
we
>> >>could get on with the work of revisionism.
>
>Holobuggers!!! Now there is an interesting play on words. Could be 
>used to attack homosexuals, or homophobics or whatever. 

 I wonder if this particular revisionist is also a homophobe.

>> >
>> > I thought you revisionists were for open debate.
>
>Don't ever believe that bullshit. Open debate so long as they don't 
>have to accept proven historical facts.

 He didn't answer my question at all, so I'll have to assume that he
isn't. 

> (BTW, I'm posting from talk.abortion. Defending women's rights
>> >>>means more to me than re-writing the history of World War II to
fit
>> >>>some racist agenda.)
>
>Your perception, deary. Stay with what you know about, otherwise your 
>ignorance is displayed in a way that should humiliate most thinking 
>folks.

 Who are you flaming here, the revisionist or me??

>clips
>
>
>
> Where did you run across that admission?  The last I heard, the
>> revisionists only claim that the documented deaths occurred.  That
>> would be 74,000 for the Auschwitz complex.
>
>Jelliebellie is this person really you. The child molester?
>
>Obviously documented to this ignoramous means: show me the bodies, 
>show me the gassing of four-five million people, show me the burning 
>of live babies, show me the starved people in over 1,000 Nazi camps, I
>gotta see with my own eyes, I gotta smell the stink with my own nose. 
>Common on. The burden of proof isn't on history. the burden of proof 
>is on those of you out there who question proven historical facts.

 Yup.

>  You have to keep in mind
>> that the six million figure was invented 
>
>Invented!!! Now that is a stupid thing to say. You playing dumb? Or 
>are you really that dumb? Not that I really care.
>
>clips
>
>> >That alone is horrible enough, I
>> >would say. And why were these people put in camps in the first
place?
>> 
>>         You mean like the Americans of Japanese descent during the
same
>> war?  An imagined security risk is obviously a sufficient and legal
>> justification for putting people in camps.
>
>Yeah, FDR and J.Edgar Hoover made a big mistake in this caper.

 Agree. (Actually, J. Edgar Hoover opposed it. Others in the government
pushed for it.) It was racist and wrong. But one racist wrong doesn't
excuse another.

 But at 
>least we didn't murder these innocent Japanese-Americans, as opposed 
>to Nazi policy of genocide by whatever means. 

 True.

>clips
>
>> >So if Anne Frank died from typhus rather
>> >than from gas doesn't mitigate the heinousness of her death one
tiniest
>> >bit.
>> 
>>         Of course not but then any death caused by any deliberate
action of
>> another is not justified either.  Lets say you sue someone and
because
>> of that he can not afford proper health care and dies prematurely.
>> That makes you responsible for his death.

 That analogy is just too stupid to reply to. This guy must have his
head stuck pretty far up his ass to make such an analogy.

>Good tap dancer here. If I shoot you one time, am I guilty of 
>attempted murder? What about if I shoot you three times? What's my 
>intent. This is tap dancing. 
>> 
>> > And I would like to see you tell one of the soldiers who braved
>> >machine-gun bullets while scaling the cliffs of Normandy that we
should
>> >not have fought Hitler.
>> 
>>         As a matter of fact I have talked to several people who were
there
>> on D-Day and for the most part they thought we were fighting the
wrong
>> people in that they said they would rather have fought against
Russia.
>
>As a matter of fact, this is bullshit, lady!

 There's no need to be sexist in replying to this revisionist.

 You didn't talk to 
>several people who hit the beaches on D-Day. You don't even know a few
>people who hit the beaches on D-Day. The American GI never gave Russia
>a thought until after the war ended and General George S. Patton shot 
>off his mouth about going on using German troops to finish off the 
>Russians. You lie. Plus your history sucks.
>
>> My uncle was one of them.
>
>Not to put your uncle down, but IF he said that maybe in the 60s O.K. 
>But IF he hit the beaches in June 1944, his ass was sucking up sand, 
>and the Russians never entered his mind, except maybe he wished they 
>had to do this instead of him.
>
>  He said to his dying day that it did not
>> make sense to him "why we were fighting the Germans."
>
>Being not too bright, runs in the family, huh?
>
>> 
>>         And please note, they were not fighting to liberate the
camps.
>> They were fighting because their country told them to fight.
>
>What the hell do you know about why we thought we were fighting. 
>Thousands joined up on December 8th. 1941! The sneaky Jap attack on 
>Pearl Harbor, pissed us off, we wanted to kill the Japanese who had 
>killed our sleeping boys at Pearl, and sunk damned near all of our 
>Navy. 
>
>  They
>> were very similar to those who ##faught## in Vietnam.
>
>Say what??? Not at all similar to those who fought in Vietnam. Not 
>even close. Boy, dumb and dumber.
>
>  Never confuse
>> patriotism with agreement with the objectives.
>
>WOW!!! Profound stuff. Wish I knew what the hell it means.
>
>Well, it's been fun, now go do the dishes, and don't mess with us guys
>who know about this kinda stuff.
>
>All Giwers, favorite bullshit sources trashed.*

 Why does he post under a different name every day or so, yet use the
same .sig each time?
 
-- 
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 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
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In <584t3c$i5f@news.enter.net> wf3h@enter.net (bob puharic) writes: 
>
>daveg@halcyon.com (David B. Greene) wrote:
>
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>Really? Where is that right enshrined? Certainly not in Roe v Wade 
>>which indicates that the government has a right to interfere in 
>>third trimester reproductive issues.
>
>check "griswold vs connecticut" where justice wm. O. douglass wrote
>the majority opinion asserting that individuals have the right to
>privacy in birth control

 According to many pro-lifers, that was an evil decision, since
according to those pro-lifers, the individual must have no rights or
privacy, and contraception must be banned, because sex not primarily
for the purpose of reproduction is evil and wicked. ("Evil, be Thou my
Good" -Nietzsche)
-- 
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 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
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In <32A60F39.7C3F@umich.edu> joshua turner  writes: 
>
>>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> Really? Where is that right enshrined? Certainly not in Roe v Wade
>> which indicates that the government has a right to interfere in
>> third trimester reproductive issues.
>> 
>> To broaden the issue, what creates or justifies rights anyway -
>> what is their source?  The collective will of the people?  Or
>> are they morally intrinsic in some way?  As much personal choice
>> as possible without violating the greater right of another?
>> Perhaps they are invented or maybe revealed as mankind evolves?
>> 
>> Just what the hell is a right and who has the right to decide
>> which rights are right?  And what rights prevail when rights
>> collide?
>
>We hold these truths to be self evident...That all men are created
>equal...endowed by their Creator with certain inanlienable rights...
>
>I guess God did. Take it up with him.

 Or Her.
-- 
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 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
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In <32A71DB1.65C2@pilot.infi.net> Jerry 
writes: 
>
>RRW wrote:
>> 
>> joshua turner wrote:
>> 
>> > > Just what the hell is a right and who has the right to decide
>> > > which rights are right?  And what rights prevail when rights
>> > > collide?
>> >
>> > We hold these truths to be self evident...That all men are created
>> > equal...endowed by their Creator with certain inanlienable
rights...
>> >
>> > I guess God did. Take it up with him.
>> 
>>         Doesn't that paragraph also break down those rights as life,
>>         liberty and pursuit of happiness? Obviously the killing of
>>         unborn, developing human beings is unconstitutional.
>
>Comments from Jerry:
>  The most important right is the right to accept God or to reject God
>without any punishment whatsoever.

 And to believe in any number of Gods and Goddesses rather than only
one male God.
-- 
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 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
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From: sma4@ix.netcom.com(Steven Malcolm Anderson)
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In <587c8a$78o@news.enter.net> wf3h@enter.net (bob puharic) writes: 
>
>RRW  wrote:
>
>>David B. Greene wrote:
>> 
>>> Most pregnancies, even if unwanted, do not present a sacrifice to
>>> health of well being so I think you need to go rework your
argument.
>
>>	Yeah, but it's typical of the 1/2 truths and outright lies
>>	of the effeminate (read liberal) side of society.
>
>and its typical of the redneck bubba side that they hate women so much
>they think their bodies should be federal property. so much for "small
>government">

 Women's bodies should not be property of state governments either.
Let's keep government _limited_ on _all_ levels.

-- 
sma4@ix.netcom.com
"The concept of 'greatness' entails being noble,
 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia


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From: sma4@ix.netcom.com(Steven Malcolm Anderson)
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In <587c95$78o@news.enter.net> wf3h@enter.net (bob puharic) writes: 
>
>RRW  wrote:
>
>>joshua turner wrote:
>
>>> > Just what the hell is a right and who has the right to decide
>>> > which rights are right?  And what rights prevail when rights
>>> > collide?
>>> 
>>> We hold these truths to be self evident...That all men are created
>>> equal...endowed by their Creator with certain inanlienable
rights...
>>> 
>>> I guess God did. Take it up with him.
>
>>	Doesn't that paragraph also break down those rights as life,
>>	liberty and pursuit of happiness? Obviously the killing of
>>	unborn, developing human beings is unconstitutional.
>
>your opinion, not that of the woman involved.

 A woman's body is her own property. Not any government's.

-- 
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"The concept of 'greatness' entails being noble,
 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia


From sma4@ix.netcom.com Sun Dec  8 07:16:36 PST 1996
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From: sma4@ix.netcom.com(Steven Malcolm Anderson)
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In  Robert@cartel.westfalen.de
(Robert) writes: 
>
>sma4@ix.netcom.com(Steven Malcolm Anderson) wrote:
>
>>In  Robert@cartel.westfalen.de
>>(Robert) writes: 
>>>
>>>sma4@ix.netcom.com(Steven Malcolm Anderson) wrote:
>>>
>>>>In  Robert@cartel.westfalen.de
>>>>(Robert) writes: 
>>>>>
>>>>>sma4@ix.netcom.com(Steven Malcolm Anderson) wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>In <32A272BF.3EF8@cannet.com> Cheryl Morris 
>>>>writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Steven Malcolm Anderson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  Because hatred of Jews (and other minorities such as
>>homosexuals)
>>>>>>>> persists. Myself, I think the mass murders perpetrated by the
>>>>>>>> Communists should be emphasized more, along with the mass
>>murders
>>>>>>>> perpetrated by the Nazis.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>In terms of numbers of individuals who were slaughtered, the
>>>>>>Communists
>>>>>>>have the Nazis beat.  In fact, we will probably be amazed as
more
>>>>>>>history of what is now the former Soviet Union becomes public at
>>not
>>>>>>>only the numbers but the reasons why people were slaughtered.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Cheryl-back briefly
>>>>>
>>>>>> Quite true. And, just as we have been saying to the Nazis, we
must
>>>>>>also say to the Communists: "Never Again!"
>>>>>
>>>>>Afterall the Communist(InerNational Socialists )and the National
>>>>>Socialists are ideologically and historically related..
>>>>>One does not need to point towards the terrible anti-Semite and
>>>>>Racist..writings..by Karl Marx to know that!
>>>>>Its all a much broughter discussion.
>>>>>Its also very clear to somebody who really investigates the
idoelogy
>>>>>and historical roots of National Socialism (that to call the Nazis
>>>>>Rightwing;) is really showing lack of knowledge and historical
>>>>>ignorance!
>>>>>
>>>>>Greetings from Germany
>>>>>
>>>>>Robert
>>>
>>>> Greetings from the U.S.! You got that right! If International
>>>>Socialists (Communists) are on the "Left" and National Socialists
>>>>(Nazis) are on the "Right", then where do you put someone like me
who
>>>>believes in the opposite of both: i.e., in individual freedom and
>>>>_limited_ government?
>>>
>>>>-- 
>>>would make us maybe half communists half nazis;) righ ther in
>>>the politcal MIDDLE;)sigh huh?
>>>
>>>Greetings from Germany
>>>
>>>Robert
>
>> I'm so far to the "Right" I'm on the "Far Left" and so far to the
>>"Left" I'm on the "Far Right"!
>
>Well as for me i am so far on the Right i have nothing to do with
>the left
>as you know..real  opposites do never ever touch (extremely
>large extremely small..fore example..(National Socialism and
>InterNational Socialims however are just.to different schools
>of thought from the same tree and are both Collectivisms..
>(one tends to worship the race more..while the other..tends
>to worship the..class more)
>
>Greetings from Germany;)
>
>Robert

 About 20 years ago, I overheard a most interesting conversation
between an old Bircher and a young fellow who was arguing with him. The
Bircher asked the young man how he defined "Left" and "Right". The
young man answered that, to him, "Left" meant "Anything Goes" while
"Right" meant "One Way, Only One Way". The old man replied that, to
him, "Left" meant "One, One World, One Everything" and "Right" meant
opposing that. Opposite definitions! I myself am on the "Left" on the
first spectrum and on the "Right" on the second spectrum.

-- 
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"The concept of 'greatness' entails being noble,
 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia


From sma4@ix.netcom.com Sun Dec  8 07:16:37 PST 1996
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From: sma4@ix.netcom.com(Steven Malcolm Anderson)
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In  olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
writes: 
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>In article <32A8A914.43E@internetMCI.com>, Milton Wong  wrote:
>>
>> I am opposed to racially motivated violence against any ethnic group

>>(Jews included). 
>
>So am I.
>
>>The Jews' false belief that they are still God's "chosen people", and
their 
>>belief in their own importance and superiority, is probably one of
the 
>>reasons why they have always been hated by non-Jews wherever they
have lived. 
>
>Exactly. 
>--
>Ole Kreiberg  http://login.dknet.dk/~olk

 Still bashing Jews, huh? I'll tell you this: Many Jews study and work
hard and thereby rise to important positions in law, medicine,
sciences, literature, etc.. Much, if not most, anti-Semitism comes from
envy of their accomplishments in these fields. This is the same root of
anti-Americanism today, and hatred of Western culture generally. Envy.
Deal with it.
-- 
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"The concept of 'greatness' entails being noble,
 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia


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In  olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
writes: 
>
>In article <32A8C326.62A1@umich.edu>, joshua turner  wrote:
>>
>>I honestly don't understand revisionism of this sort. I guess it
comes
>>out of human need to deny tragedy--the Holocaust is so overwhelming,
>>philosophically and morally, 
>
> Whether it happened or not, it is not more overwhelming than other
alleged
>masskillings. The Germans may have a problem with their past, but the
rest
>of the world should leave the Germans with this. It is defamatory to
claim 
>that the whole of Europe was responsible for what these Germans did or
did 
>not do. Germany was an independent nation acting on it's own.
>
>> If the Holocaust were truly a manufactured event, why didn't the
Germans 
>>point this out? 
>
>Because they were not allowed to. The Nuremberg court was kangaroo
court.
>
>>
>>Read a book. Then, read it again. And learn something. 
>
>I have read many books. Revisionist as well as non-revisionist.
>
>>
>>One more question. if the Holocaust didn't happen, are these events
>>myths as well?
>>               The massacre in Kampuchea
>
> Who knows exactly how many that died in Kampuchea? Most of the
sources to 
>the Kampuchean holocaust are Vietnamese. Vietnam was an invading
aggressor
>in Kampuchea. The UN comdemned this invasion, and Vietnam could easily
>have exaggerated the Khmer Rouge atrocities in order to justify their
own 
>act.

 Uh-huh. And then there's Apollo 11: Obviously a clever plot by NASA to
make the earth look like a spinning ball in space, whereas we all know 
it's really stationary and flat. And then Hiroshima and Nagasaki were
faked by Japan to instill guilt in the Allies and get us to buy more
Japanese products.....

>--
>Ole Kreiberg  http://login.dknet.dk/~olk

-- 
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 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia


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In  dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
writes: 
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>[Followup = alt.revisionism]
>
>WhoKnows@dot.tod (Elevated) writes:
>
># Where did you run across that admission?  The last I heard, the
># revisionists only claim that the documented deaths occurred.  That
># would be 74,000 for the Auschwitz complex.
>
>Well, "Holocaust revisionists" claim very strange things. For
>instance, that Belsen camp was in Poland (it was in Germany). 
>For instance, that human beings can protect themselves against
>cyanide gas by holding their breath. Etc.
>
>Re your 74,000 figure: during 14-16 of May 1943,  SS-Sturmbannfuehrer 
>Gricksch inspected Auschwitz-Birkenau camp, and wrote a report for 
>SS-Col. von Herff and Reichsfuehrer-SS Himmler (see "Hitler and the 
>Final Solution", Prof. Gerald Fleming, University of California
>Press, 1984, p. 142-143). In the report, he said that so far
>500,000 Jews have been murdered in Auschwitz. Can you explain
>how the figure decreased to 74,000 in 1945?
>
>
>-Danny Keren.
>
> ---
>In Message-ID: <4n0ik8$1a8@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com>, "leading
>revisionist" Matt Giwer suggested that documents about a "gas
>chamber" and "gassing cellar" in the Birkenau crematoriums don't
>prove anything, as they were really due to "a morbid sense of 
>humor" of the SS men who authored the documents.

 Just a joke, huh? Well, then, may

-- 
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"The concept of 'greatness' entails being noble,
 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia


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In <58f0kj$9kt@news.latnet.lv> uldis@parks.lv* (Uldis Liepkalns)
writes: 
>
>vortex@in.net (Vortex) wrote:
>>Homophobia is more the fear of homosexuality itself. It is the
>>presence of a foreign concept which causes fear and hatred in the
>>likes of you, because your meager faculties are incapable of
>>processing or comprehending that which is different. 
>
>Homosexuality doesn't cause hatred in me. It causes simply a
>disgust and nausea. Have you ever seen mentally ill people
>eating their own shit? It's like that..

 If you are male, then you must feel the opposite toward lesbianism,
unless you yourself are a homosexual, in which case, you are disgusted
and nauseated at yourself.

-- 
sma4@ix.netcom.com
"The concept of 'greatness' entails being noble,
 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia


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From: sma4@ix.netcom.com(Steven Malcolm Anderson)
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Subject: Re: Gore with the ultimate anti-Semitism.....
Date: 9 Dec 1996 06:37:07 GMT
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In <32ab7037.12506697@news.gte.net> minesweeper@navy.water (Endurance)
writes: 
>
>On 8 Dec 1996 04:47:22 GMT, sma4@ix.netcom.com(Steven Malcolm
>Anderson) wrote:
>
>>In  olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole
Kreiberg)
>>writes: 

>>>>The Jews' false belief that they are still God's "chosen people",
and
>>their 
>>>>belief in their own importance and superiority, is probably one of
>>the 
>>>>reasons why they have always been hated by non-Jews wherever they
>>have lived. 
>>>
>>>Exactly. 
>>>--
>>>Ole Kreiberg  http://login.dknet.dk/~olk
>>
>> Still bashing Jews, huh? I'll tell you this: Many Jews study and
work
>>hard and thereby rise to important positions in law, medicine,
>>sciences, literature, etc.. Much, if not most, anti-Semitism comes
from
>>envy of their accomplishments in these fields. This is the same root
of
>>anti-Americanism today, and hatred of Western culture generally.
Envy.
>>Deal with it.
>
>	And just what "racial" characteristic is it that results in their
>working so much harder?  

 There isn't any. It's cultural. Jewish culture has long placed a high
value on scholarship, study of law, and other things that are conducive
to success in those fields.

>	Rather learn to deal with the well known fact that any field
where
>Jews get a foothold becomes a closed shop where fellow jews get the
>preferences in hiring and promotion.  

 The omnipresent, omnipotent, malevolent "Jewish Conspiracy", huh?

>	Of course if you hold they are naturally more talented in the
arts
>and entertainment then you hold there is a racial difference and of
>course you are then a racist.  

 Nope. I'll leave the racial theories to you boys.

>	You are between a rock and a hard place with "racism" on one hand
>and closed shop, only jews need apply, on the other.  
>
>	Which will you choose?  

 Neither. I don't buy racial theories and I don't buy "Jewish
Conspiracy" theories. "Affirmative action" for Gentiles: is that what
you want?

-- 
sma4@ix.netcom.com
"The concept of 'greatness' entails being noble,
 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia


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From: sma4@ix.netcom.com(Steven Malcolm Anderson)
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Subject: Re: I am your choice please hear me
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In <01bbe533$07e28880$058f4ba8@neill> "Neill Laney" 
writes: 
>
>Excuse me, your fly is open. Besides, who ever said I approve of
abortion?
>You did. Whether I approve or disapprove is irrelevant, as does
whether do
>you. It's all about choice. Or will we all drive the same color car,
or
>wear the same kind of clothes, or sport the same haircut. You would
take
>away a person's fundamental right of self determination in the
interest of
>public policy. So did Hitler and Mussolini.

 And so did the Communists. Choice: that _is_ what it's all about.

>Ron Chandonia  wrote in article
><589r0j$85j@clark.zippo.com>...
>
>> 
>> War, poverty, and disease are all evils we constantly try to curtail
>> by many means, including laws and other expressions of public
policy.
>> What makes abortion an evil of a different sort, merely the fact
that
>> you approve of it?
>> 
>> - Ron Chandonia
>> 
>> 

-- 
sma4@ix.netcom.com
"The concept of 'greatness' entails being noble,
 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia


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From: sma4@ix.netcom.com(Steven Malcolm Anderson)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion,alt.abortion.inequity,alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Gore with the ultimate anti-Semitism.....
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In <32B0D954.426E@mindspring.com> Amazon 
writes: 
>
>Mr. Wong's pearls of wisdom?

 

 If Mr. Wong had been either black or white, I have absolutely no doubt
that he'd be saying exactly the same things about Asians that he now
says about Jews.
-- 
sma4@ix.netcom.com
"The concept of 'greatness' entails being noble,
 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia



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