The Nizkor Project: Remembering the Holocaust (Shoah)

Shofar FTP Archive File: people/a/anderson.steven.malcolm/1995/anderson.1095


From sma4@ix.netcom.com Sun Oct  1 08:51:47 PDT 1995
Article: 276471 of talk.politics.misc
Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!swiss.ans.net!newsgate.watson.ibm.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netnews
From: sma4@ix.netcom.com (Steven Malcolm Anderson )
Newsgroups: alt.individualism,talk.politics.theory,talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.guns,talk.politics.medicine
Subject: Re: Liberty in Brazil (Was: Guns as Phalluses)
Date: 1 Oct 1995 00:50:43 GMT
Organization: Netcom
Lines: 62
Message-ID: <44kol3$25e@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com>
References: <43ibpb$nnd@itssrv1.ucsf.edu> <43jpj8$r69@ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> <43kanp$mtg@transfer.stratus.com> <43kd7r$ru0@ixnews2.ix.netcom.com>  <43mdq0$r0f@ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> <43ml11$nu5@shellx.best.com> <43oavl$i7r@ix <446pv5$md6@ruby.ucc.nau.edu> <44fdoq$gcn@fs7.ece.cmu.edu> <44g07p$so7@shellx.best.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: ix-al13-04.ix.netcom.com
X-NETCOM-Date: Sat Sep 30  5:50:43 PM PDT 1995
Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.individualism:23555 talk.politics.theory:44826 talk.politics.misc:276471 talk.politics.libertarian:45337 talk.politics.guns:209225 talk.politics.medicine:29291

In <44g07p$so7@shellx.best.com> jamesd@echeque.com (James A. Donald)
writes: 
>
>bruno@ibis.ece.cmu.edu (Marcelo Bruno) wrote:
>> What I deny *vehemently* is the misinformed perception that there is

>>a systematic, state-sponsored campaign of extermination of homeless
>>children or indigeneous peoples in Brazil
>
>1:   Lots of indians, blacks, unimportant people, homeless, and so
>forth are murdered in Brazil
>
>2:  The state has all the guns, so who else is doing it?
>
>True, it certainly is not systematic, but it is still state sponsored.
>
>> I also deny that Brazil is a dictatorship that kills "dissidents".
The
>> reason I deny that is simply because it is *NOT* true and anybody ,
with
>> minimal information, has to admit it. In other words, there is no 
>> plausible reason and no grounds to equate an institutional democracy
>> like Brazil and a dictatorship like China, for example.
>
>If you are a person of no importance, in which country are you less
>likely to be murdered or robbed by agents of the state:  Answer:
>China.
>
>Brazil is indeed democratic, unlike China, but it is one of the places
>that opponents of democracy point to and say:  "See!"

 Totalitarian China has gun control, too, most definitely. China is
also one of the places that we opponents of gun control point to and
say: "See!"

>
>> Brazil's reformist impetus prevails in a multitude of areas: from
>> tax reform to land reform; from social security reform to election
>> reform; from health care reform to judicial reform.
>
>As long as Brazilians keep running their economy by vote, instead of
>by the marketplace, no matter how reformed you are, you will still be
>violent and poor.  The best you can hope for is that all will be
>equally poor and equally subject to capricious violence, in which case
>the internet will be spared the pious ranting of people like Marcio
>Pinhiero, who wishes the whole world to adopt the same wonderful
>system that has proved so kindly, benevolent, and successful in Brazil
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>We have the right to defend ourselves and our property, because 
>of the kind of animals that we are. True law derives from this 
>right, not from the arbitrary power of the omnipotent state.
>
>http://www.jim.com/jamesd/      James A. Donald      
jamesd@echeque.com
>

-- 
sma4@ix.netcom.com
"The concept of 'greatness' entails being noble,
 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia


From sma4@ix.netcom.com Sun Oct  1 14:35:11 PDT 1995
Article: 209225 of talk.politics.guns
Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!swiss.ans.net!newsgate.watson.ibm.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netnews
From: sma4@ix.netcom.com (Steven Malcolm Anderson )
Newsgroups: alt.individualism,talk.politics.theory,talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.guns,talk.politics.medicine
Subject: Re: Liberty in Brazil (Was: Guns as Phalluses)
Date: 1 Oct 1995 00:50:43 GMT
Organization: Netcom
Lines: 62
Message-ID: <44kol3$25e@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com>
References: <43ibpb$nnd@itssrv1.ucsf.edu> <43jpj8$r69@ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> <43kanp$mtg@transfer.stratus.com> <43kd7r$ru0@ixnews2.ix.netcom.com>  <43mdq0$r0f@ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> <43ml11$nu5@shellx.best.com> <43oavl$i7r@ix <446pv5$md6@ruby.ucc.nau.edu> <44fdoq$gcn@fs7.ece.cmu.edu> <44g07p$so7@shellx.best.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: ix-al13-04.ix.netcom.com
X-NETCOM-Date: Sat Sep 30  5:50:43 PM PDT 1995
Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.individualism:23555 talk.politics.theory:44826 talk.politics.misc:276471 talk.politics.libertarian:45337 talk.politics.guns:209225 talk.politics.medicine:29291

In <44g07p$so7@shellx.best.com> jamesd@echeque.com (James A. Donald)
writes: 
>
>bruno@ibis.ece.cmu.edu (Marcelo Bruno) wrote:
>> What I deny *vehemently* is the misinformed perception that there is

>>a systematic, state-sponsored campaign of extermination of homeless
>>children or indigeneous peoples in Brazil
>
>1:   Lots of indians, blacks, unimportant people, homeless, and so
>forth are murdered in Brazil
>
>2:  The state has all the guns, so who else is doing it?
>
>True, it certainly is not systematic, but it is still state sponsored.
>
>> I also deny that Brazil is a dictatorship that kills "dissidents".
The
>> reason I deny that is simply because it is *NOT* true and anybody ,
with
>> minimal information, has to admit it. In other words, there is no 
>> plausible reason and no grounds to equate an institutional democracy
>> like Brazil and a dictatorship like China, for example.
>
>If you are a person of no importance, in which country are you less
>likely to be murdered or robbed by agents of the state:  Answer:
>China.
>
>Brazil is indeed democratic, unlike China, but it is one of the places
>that opponents of democracy point to and say:  "See!"

 Totalitarian China has gun control, too, most definitely. China is
also one of the places that we opponents of gun control point to and
say: "See!"

>
>> Brazil's reformist impetus prevails in a multitude of areas: from
>> tax reform to land reform; from social security reform to election
>> reform; from health care reform to judicial reform.
>
>As long as Brazilians keep running their economy by vote, instead of
>by the marketplace, no matter how reformed you are, you will still be
>violent and poor.  The best you can hope for is that all will be
>equally poor and equally subject to capricious violence, in which case
>the internet will be spared the pious ranting of people like Marcio
>Pinhiero, who wishes the whole world to adopt the same wonderful
>system that has proved so kindly, benevolent, and successful in Brazil
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>We have the right to defend ourselves and our property, because 
>of the kind of animals that we are. True law derives from this 
>right, not from the arbitrary power of the omnipotent state.
>
>http://www.jim.com/jamesd/      James A. Donald      
jamesd@echeque.com
>

-- 
sma4@ix.netcom.com
"The concept of 'greatness' entails being noble,
 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia


From sma4@ix.netcom.com Sun Oct  1 14:35:17 PDT 1995
Article: 209226 of talk.politics.guns
Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!swiss.ans.net!newsgate.watson.ibm.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netnews
From: sma4@ix.netcom.com (Steven Malcolm Anderson )
Newsgroups: alt.christnet,alt.philosophy.objectivism,alt.individualism,alt.conspiracy,alt.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.guns,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.politics.usa.constitution,talk.politics.libertarian
Subject: Re: Faxio's Death Threat.
Date: 1 Oct 1995 00:51:38 GMT
Organization: Netcom
Lines: 95
Message-ID: <44komq$hip@ixnews6.ix.netcom.com>
References: <42ihad$6b1@nntp4.u.washington.edu>  <44ft6v$9hb@globe.indirect.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: ix-al13-04.ix.netcom.com
X-NETCOM-Date: Sat Sep 30  5:51:38 PM PDT 1995
Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.christnet:32849 alt.philosophy.objectivism:53504 alt.individualism:23556 alt.conspiracy:11373 alt.politics.libertarian:110773 talk.politics.guns:209226 alt.society.civil-liberty:35866 alt.politics.usa.constitution:41561 talk.politics.libertarian:45338

In <44ft6v$9hb@globe.indirect.com> dhardy@indirect.com (David T. Hardy)
writes: 
>
>In article <43t8qu$kc8@ixnews4.ix.netcom.com>
>faxio@ix.netcom.com (Shea F. Kenny) writes:
>
>> sieferme@u.washington.edu (Eric Sieferman) wrote:
>> 
>> }In article <43rgdi$j6l@ixnews6.ix.netcom.com>,
>> }Shea F. Kenny  wrote:
>> }>sieferme@u.washington.edu (Eric Sieferman) wrote:
>> }>
>> }>}I am the captain of my soul.
>
>Lucky cuss! Best I ever got was corporal. But I did put that worthless
>S.O.B. on KP, at least.
> 
>> }>This clearly has religious overtones.
>> 
>> }I can see why you're confused.  The statement has POETIC overtones,
and 
>> }most religion is bad poetry taken much too seriously.
>
>You mean there are those who worship e.e. cummings and Rod McKuen?
>Verily, I must worship at their side now that my savior David Koresh
>has left us.
>> 
>> }>Are you insane ?
>> 
>> }The longer I have discussions with you, the more I ask myself just
this 
>> }question.
>> 
>>      I'm glad to hear we are making progress.  Keep going.  Sanity
is
>> just around the bend.
>
>For his sake, I hope not. In 90% of the cases where it strikes, sanity
>is nothing but an excuse for a lack of imagination.

 Quite so.

>> 
>> }>What could you be thinking about ?
>> 
>> }At the moment, lunch.
>> 
>> }>You have cognitive matter, developed to that of moral conduct
>> }>and rational thought.  You are a human being Eric, be proud.
>> 
>> }I am.  In fact, I constantly taunt my dog with my opposable thumb.
>> 
>>      Good.  You can't be around people that make you feel like a
loser
>> all the time.  We all need to feel superior, from time to time. 
It's
>> good for self esteem.
>
>Which is why my ego has never recovered from seeing a horny elephant.
>
>> }>You have been chosen by destiny.
>> 
>> }I'm sure that destiny has better things to worry about.
>
>The same was said by George III, George Armstrong Custer, and Charles
>Manson. Cheer up. We may all have a chance at being the greatest
>disaster of our lifetimes.
>
>      You've got me there Eric.  But you're thinking on your own.  A
>> good sign.
>
>A terrible sign. There was a chap who thought on his own, and
>charitably gave his insights to others. His name was Socrates. They
>poisoned him.
> 
>> }>After all, you didn't get vacuumed out of the womb, now did you ?
>> 
>> }No, I emerged in the old-fashioned way: slowly and painfully.
>> 
>>     It sounds dreadful.   Was your mother in a car accident ?  How
>> long did you lie on the side of the road, until the et's came ?
>
>For experience: take a hot tub. Then get ten of your strongest friends
>to ram you through the vent window on a Volkswagen, head-first, plunge
>you into an ice-bath and then (if you are male) take a knife to your
>crank. OK, that's your first ten minutes in this world. Now try to be
>anything cynical about the remaining 70+ years, assuming cancer, car
>wrecks, crime, or something else doesn't nail you before then. 

-- 
sma4@ix.netcom.com
"The concept of 'greatness' entails being noble,
 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia


From sma4@ix.netcom.com Mon Oct  2 00:50:56 PDT 1995
Article: 1758 of soc.history
Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netnews
From: sma4@ix.netcom.com (Steven Malcolm Anderson )
Newsgroups: talk.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.perot,alt.politics.radical-left,alt.society.anarchy,alt.individualism,alt.politics.usa.constitution,soc.history
Subject: Re: Free Market Stinks
Date: 1 Oct 1995 01:06:14 GMT
Organization: Netcom
Lines: 101
Message-ID: <44kpi6$hvp@ixnews6.ix.netcom.com>
References:  <44d326$nmh@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <44h6cc$t3o@nntpd.lkg.dec.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: ix-al13-04.ix.netcom.com
X-NETCOM-Date: Sat Sep 30  6:06:14 PM PDT 1995
Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca talk.politics.libertarian:45329 alt.politics.libertarian:110758 alt.politics.perot:25924 alt.politics.radical-left:60111 alt.society.anarchy:20567 alt.individualism:23551 alt.politics.usa.constitution:41556 soc.history:1758

In <44h6cc$t3o@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> larrys@enemax.zk3.dec.com (Larry
Smith) writes: 
>
>
>In article <44d326$nmh@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, bretcahill@aol.com
(BretCahill) writes:
>
>>>> Libertarians truly represent the slave mentality.
>
>>The sum total of a net libertarian's existence consists of
>>groveling to anyone who has money.  A libertarian cannot
>>comprehend that there may be more to life or civil society
>>than singing for your supper.
>>
>>What is this if not slavery?
>
>You know, there is a certain exhileration in watching a
>massive intellectual trainwreck...it quickens the pulse.
>Most people wouldn't take the chance of being so very
>wrong, so very loudly, and so very publically, and we
>should thank Brett for this opportunity to watch him
>embarrass himself.  He's the first one I've seen make
>it funny.  Embarrassing, but funny.  He should be on
>"Ellen".  Really.  He would fit in perfectly.
>
>Brett, you don't have any idea what Libertarians are,
>or what they believe.  That you can make such an asser-
>tion is like claiming the color green smells bad, or
>that certain music is wet.  It betrays that you don't
>know the very first thing about what you are arguing
>with, it paints you a pathetic moron without the coj-
>ones to learn a subject before disagreeing with it.
>You have _made_up_ some odious political system in
>your own mind, an amalgamation of all that you person-
>ally find distasteful, and _you_ are calling it Liber-
>tarianism.  It's pitiful.  No, it's more than pitiful,
>it's embassasing.  Like watching some poor mentally
>disturbed person come running naked into a church in
>the middle of a service and urinate on himself in
>front of the congregation.  In a kinder and gentler
>time, we'd have had you committed.  Instead, today,
>all we can do is drag your sorry ass back out in the
>gutter.
>
>Set your web browser to:
>
>  http://w3.ag.uiuc.edu/liberty/libphilo.html
>
>Don't come back until you understand it thoroughly,
>in what it says _and_ what it implies.  Libertarians
>are _universally_ in favor of free speech - freer than
>any speech we are allowed today, even the freedom to
>yell "Fire!" in a crowded theater - provided you take
>the full responsibility for the consequences of that
>speech, including prosecution for damages resulting
>from the stampede that follows.  It's not a big issue
>in this day and age

 Yes it _is_!

 because the 1st amendment, which
>is the media's favorite, of course, simply hasn't suf-
>fered the damage and decay that has all but destroyed
>the others.

 The 1st amendment (like the 2nd) _is_ under _continual_ attack from
all sides.

  Which is just as well, because if it
>weren't, you can bet Libertarians would be among the
>first ones muzzled.

 Very true.

  And don't think we aren't aware
>of that fact.
>
>Grow _up_.  Learn something about this before you
>shit yourself again.  No one should have to explain
>anything this basic to you.  So stop being a whining
>moron and _learn_ about the principle of non-coercion.
>Then you will at last understand what an ass you made
>of yourself with these posts.
>
>
>-- 
>Larry Smith - My opinions only.  Killfile slacker01@aol.com &
taustin@ni.net
>Government is not reason, it is not eloquence - it is force!  Like
fire, it is
>a dangerous servant and a fearful master; never for a moment should it
be left
>to irresponsible action." -- G Washington  larrys@zk3.dec.com Unix
Systems Grp

-- 
sma4@ix.netcom.com
"The concept of 'greatness' entails being noble,
 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia


From sma4@ix.netcom.com Mon Oct  2 19:52:37 PDT 1995
Article: 209643 of talk.politics.guns
Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.cyberstore.ca!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netnews
From: sma4@ix.netcom.com (Steven Malcolm Anderson )
Newsgroups: alt.individualism,talk.politics.guns,alt.feminism.individualism,alt.feminazis,alt.women.supremacy,alt.sex.femdom,alt.sex.bondage
Subject: Re: The HandGun is a Clitoral Symbol
Date: 2 Oct 1995 02:29:50 GMT
Organization: Netcom
Lines: 22
Message-ID: <44niqu$o5s@ixnews6.ix.netcom.com>
References: <4420tj$r25@zippy.cais.net> <445aeh$8jq@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <445g0e$h9i@ixnews7.ix.netcom.com> <44621l$5o7@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> <447opv$j7d@miwok.nbn.com> <44l5fs$net@ixnews7.ix.netcom.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: ix-al12-13.ix.netcom.com
X-NETCOM-Date: Sun Oct 01  7:29:50 PM PDT 1995
Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.individualism:23619 talk.politics.guns:209643 alt.feminism.individualism:5340 alt.feminazis:6581 alt.women.supremacy:2944 alt.sex.femdom:10560 alt.sex.bondage:104571

In <44l5fs$net@ixnews7.ix.netcom.com> jessguns@ix.netcom.com (jessica
geick ) writes: 
>
>In <447opv$j7d@miwok.nbn.com> sylvia@monitor.net (Sylvia) writes: 
>
>>	Hope she never gets mad at you, it won't be her clitoris she's 
>>aiming at.
>>
>>Sylvia
>
>Thats the truth, and my husband know who the best shot in this house
>is.
> Jessica M. Geick, Owner Urban Survival
> 1(510)222-4458

 Good!
-- 
sma4@ix.netcom.com
"The concept of 'greatness' entails being noble,
 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia


From sma4@ix.netcom.com Sun Oct  8 07:43:47 PDT 1995
Article: 13073 of alt.conspiracy
Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netnews
From: sma4@ix.netcom.com (Steven Malcolm Anderson )
Newsgroups: alt.philosophy.objectivism,alt.fan.dan-quayle,alt.individualism,alt.conspiracy,alt.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.guns,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.politics.usa.constitution,talk.politics.libertarian
Subject: Re: The Wolf creature
Date: 8 Oct 1995 02:01:09 GMT
Organization: Netcom
Lines: 32
Message-ID: <457bd5$eje@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com>
References: <41o9pb$ndg@news1.wolfe.net> <44auo5$r4p@news1.wolfe.net> <44cb7q$mhd@gap.cco.caltech.edu> <44hd0n$msa@news1.wolfe.net> <44ihb4$4nq@gap.cco.caltech.edu> <44mo6k$gko@news1.wolfe.net>  <44utsk$3p8@news1.wolfe.net>
NNTP-Posting-Host: ix-al12-08.ix.netcom.com
X-NETCOM-Date: Sat Oct 07  7:01:09 PM PDT 1995
Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.philosophy.objectivism:53880 alt.fan.dan-quayle:49199 alt.individualism:23808 alt.conspiracy:13073 alt.politics.libertarian:112488 talk.politics.guns:211177 alt.society.civil-liberty:36322 alt.politics.usa.constitution:41954 talk.politics.libertarian:46426

In <44utsk$3p8@news1.wolfe.net> cwolf1@wolfenet.com (Chris Wolf)
writes: 
>

>
>The claim that the Government has *no* credibility is the claim of a
>crackpot.

 The Government has no credibility with *me* so I must be a crackpot.

>
>*********************************************
>Chris Wolf
>cwolf1@wolfenet.com
>
>Check out the World's Fastest Keyboard!
>http://jeffcomp.com/jcp/
>
>What's REALLY Wrong With Objectivism. 
>http://jeffcomp.com/jcp/faq/
>
>What REALLY happened to George Reisman and Edith Packer.
>http://jeffcomp.com/jcp/ari/
>*********************************************
>

-- 
sma4@ix.netcom.com
"The concept of 'greatness' entails being noble,
 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia


From sma4@ix.netcom.com Mon Oct  9 06:49:36 PDT 1995
Article: 279593 of talk.politics.misc
Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.cyberstore.ca!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netnews
From: sma4@ix.netcom.com (Steven Malcolm Anderson )
Newsgroups: alt.individualism,talk.politics.theory,talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.guns,talk.politics.medicine
Subject: The HandGun is a Clitoral Symbol (Was: Guns as Phalluses)
Date: 8 Oct 1995 22:55:38 GMT
Organization: Netcom
Lines: 50
Message-ID: <459ktb$ni@ixnews7.ix.netcom.com>
References: <43ruj6$m2r@parsifal.nando.net>  <44f0cq$cql@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <44rvlb$cpa@sndsu1.sedalia.sinet.slb.com> <4514ca$a1v@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>
NNTP-Posting-Host: ix-al13-04.ix.netcom.com
X-NETCOM-Date: Sun Oct 08  3:55:39 PM PDT 1995
Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.individualism:23827 talk.politics.theory:45977 talk.politics.misc:279593 talk.politics.libertarian:46595 talk.politics.guns:211368 talk.politics.medicine:29686

 One of the favorite arguments of the gun control lobby is that the gun
is a "phallic" (penis) symbol, and that, therefore, e.g., women should
not have guns, or that, if they do, they are "suffering from penis
envy" and "trying to be like men", etc..
 This lie is derived from Freud, who, unfortunately, was a patriarchist
who argued, among other things, that women, and especially women who
"try to be like men", suffer from "penis envy".
 This is totally false. Many more men suffer from clitoris envy than do
women from penis envy.
 (As witness Freud's own totally false and utterly baseless theory that
female masturbation and the clitoral orgasm is a sign of immaturity.)
 Freud did associate the gun with the penis (though, actually, in quite
a different context than what the gun banners would imply, fear of the
gun symbolizing a fear of the penis).
 But, contrary to Freud and all patriarchists, the clitoris is every
bit as potent and potentially redolent of symbolism as the penis.
 If the rifle or long gun is a phallic symbol, then, certainly, the
pistol or handgun is a clitoral symbol.
 Freud was partially right here, despite his patriarchist biases. The
fear and hostility toward guns manifested by the gun banning lobby does
indeed manifest a deep-seated fear and hostility toward sexuality.
 But is _primarily_ a fear and hostility toward female sexuality. Note
that it is primarily the handgun, not the shotgun, that they seek to
ban.
 And note the particular hysteria they display toward the very idea of
_women_ arming themselves with guns.
 They spout that favorite patriarchist argument, i.e., that such women
are "trying to be like men". This -- from so-called "feminists"!
 Note also that many of these so-called "feminists" who advocate gun
control are also very hostile toward women whose sexuality is not
"politically correct", is other than "peaceful and nurturing".
 They denounce and often seek to ban pornography, especially
sadomasochist pornography, created by women and for women. They are
hostile toward, fearful of, female domination, lesbian bondage, etc..
 They also often oppose women in the military because this is not
"politically correct", not "peaceful".
 These so-called "feminists" are thus, actually, pawns of patriarchy at
its worst. 
 The handgun is a clitoral symbol.
 As a feminist, I oppose gun control, _especially_ confiscation of
handguns. (And, yes, registration _does_ lead to confiscation.) 



-- 
sma4@ix.netcom.com
"The concept of 'greatness' entails being noble,
 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia


From sma4@ix.netcom.com Mon Oct  9 07:03:23 PDT 1995
Article: 211368 of talk.politics.guns
Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.cyberstore.ca!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netnews
From: sma4@ix.netcom.com (Steven Malcolm Anderson )
Newsgroups: alt.individualism,talk.politics.theory,talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.guns,talk.politics.medicine
Subject: The HandGun is a Clitoral Symbol (Was: Guns as Phalluses)
Date: 8 Oct 1995 22:55:38 GMT
Organization: Netcom
Lines: 50
Message-ID: <459ktb$ni@ixnews7.ix.netcom.com>
References: <43ruj6$m2r@parsifal.nando.net>  <44f0cq$cql@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <44rvlb$cpa@sndsu1.sedalia.sinet.slb.com> <4514ca$a1v@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>
NNTP-Posting-Host: ix-al13-04.ix.netcom.com
X-NETCOM-Date: Sun Oct 08  3:55:39 PM PDT 1995
Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.individualism:23827 talk.politics.theory:45977 talk.politics.misc:279593 talk.politics.libertarian:46595 talk.politics.guns:211368 talk.politics.medicine:29686

 One of the favorite arguments of the gun control lobby is that the gun
is a "phallic" (penis) symbol, and that, therefore, e.g., women should
not have guns, or that, if they do, they are "suffering from penis
envy" and "trying to be like men", etc..
 This lie is derived from Freud, who, unfortunately, was a patriarchist
who argued, among other things, that women, and especially women who
"try to be like men", suffer from "penis envy".
 This is totally false. Many more men suffer from clitoris envy than do
women from penis envy.
 (As witness Freud's own totally false and utterly baseless theory that
female masturbation and the clitoral orgasm is a sign of immaturity.)
 Freud did associate the gun with the penis (though, actually, in quite
a different context than what the gun banners would imply, fear of the
gun symbolizing a fear of the penis).
 But, contrary to Freud and all patriarchists, the clitoris is every
bit as potent and potentially redolent of symbolism as the penis.
 If the rifle or long gun is a phallic symbol, then, certainly, the
pistol or handgun is a clitoral symbol.
 Freud was partially right here, despite his patriarchist biases. The
fear and hostility toward guns manifested by the gun banning lobby does
indeed manifest a deep-seated fear and hostility toward sexuality.
 But is _primarily_ a fear and hostility toward female sexuality. Note
that it is primarily the handgun, not the shotgun, that they seek to
ban.
 And note the particular hysteria they display toward the very idea of
_women_ arming themselves with guns.
 They spout that favorite patriarchist argument, i.e., that such women
are "trying to be like men". This -- from so-called "feminists"!
 Note also that many of these so-called "feminists" who advocate gun
control are also very hostile toward women whose sexuality is not
"politically correct", is other than "peaceful and nurturing".
 They denounce and often seek to ban pornography, especially
sadomasochist pornography, created by women and for women. They are
hostile toward, fearful of, female domination, lesbian bondage, etc..
 They also often oppose women in the military because this is not
"politically correct", not "peaceful".
 These so-called "feminists" are thus, actually, pawns of patriarchy at
its worst. 
 The handgun is a clitoral symbol.
 As a feminist, I oppose gun control, _especially_ confiscation of
handguns. (And, yes, registration _does_ lead to confiscation.) 



-- 
sma4@ix.netcom.com
"The concept of 'greatness' entails being noble,
 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia


From sma4@ix.netcom.com Mon Oct 16 11:42:18 PDT 1995
Article: 213067 of talk.politics.guns
Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!chi-news.cic.net!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!enews.sgi.com!decwrl!amd!netcomsv!uu4news.netcom.com!netcomsv!uu3news.netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!netnews
From: sma4@ix.netcom.com (Steven Malcolm Anderson )
Newsgroups: alt.individualism,talk.politics.theory,talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.guns,talk.politics.medicine
Subject: Re: The HandGun is a Clitoral Symbol (Was: Guns as Phalluses)
Date: 15 Oct 1995 05:41:46 GMT
Organization: Netcom
Lines: 26
Message-ID: <45q6uq$1qm@ixnews6.ix.netcom.com>
References: <43ruj6$m2r@parsifal.nando.net>  <44f0cq$cql@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <44rvlb$cpa@sndsu1.sedalia.sinet.slb.com> <4514ca$a1v@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <459ktb$ni@ixnews7.ix.netcom.com> <45bn2q$mol@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> 
NNTP-Posting-Host: ix-al9-28.ix.netcom.com
X-NETCOM-Date: Sat Oct 14 10:41:46 PM PDT 1995
Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.individualism:23994 talk.politics.theory:46705 talk.politics.misc:282095 talk.politics.libertarian:47613 talk.politics.guns:213067 talk.politics.medicine:29982

In  johannp@aimnet.com (Big O )
writes: 
>

>My daughter, 21, is a Security Police in the Air Force, loves shooting
her
>weapons (9mm, M16, and M60), and is anti-gun control -- and looking
>forward to the day she can get a CCW from a local LEO.

 Thank you for that! Bless you and her!

>
>-- 
>"Big O" 
>
>"Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. 
On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property
existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place."
>Frederic Bastiat

-- 
sma4@ix.netcom.com
"The concept of 'greatness' entails being noble,
 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia


From sma4@ix.netcom.com Mon Oct 16 11:42:20 PDT 1995
Article: 213069 of talk.politics.guns
Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!swiss.ans.net!newsgate.watson.ibm.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!chi-news.cic.net!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!enews.sgi.com!decwrl!amd!netcomsv!uu4news.netcom.com!netcomsv!uu3news.netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!netnews
From: sma4@ix.netcom.com (Steven Malcolm Anderson )
Newsgroups: alt.individualism,talk.politics.theory,talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.guns,talk.politics.medicine
Subject: Re: The HandGun is a Clitoral Symbol (Was: Guns as Phalluses)
Date: 15 Oct 1995 05:28:49 GMT
Organization: Netcom
Lines: 31
Message-ID: <45q66h$mgv@ixnews4.ix.netcom.com>
References: <43ruj6$m2r@parsifal.nando.net>  <44f0cq$cql@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <44rvlb$cpa@sndsu1.sedalia.sinet.slb.com> <4514ca$a1v@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <459ktb$ni@ixnews7.ix.netcom.com> <45bn2q$mol@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>
NNTP-Posting-Host: ix-al9-28.ix.netcom.com
X-NETCOM-Date: Sat Oct 14 10:28:49 PM PDT 1995
Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.individualism:23995 talk.politics.theory:46706 talk.politics.misc:282099 talk.politics.libertarian:47615 talk.politics.guns:213069 talk.politics.medicine:29983

In <45bn2q$mol@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> cyu@mit.edu (J. Calvin)
writes: 
>
>In article <459ktb$ni@ixnews7.ix.netcom.com>, sma4@ix.netcom.com
(Steven Malcolm Anderson ) writes:
>|>  Note also that many of these so-called "feminists" who advocate
gun
>|> control...also often oppose women in the military because this is
not
>|> "politically correct", not "peaceful".
>|>  These so-called "feminists" are thus, actually, pawns of
patriarchy at
>|> its worst. 
>|>  The handgun is a clitoral symbol.
>|>  As a feminist, I oppose gun control, _especially_ confiscation of
>|> handguns. (And, yes, registration _does_ lead to confiscation.) 
>
>Not.
>I think you'll find that women in the military and gun-control are
>generally considered liberal issues, while conservatives tend
>to oppose full integration of all people in the military and
>oppose many forms of gun-control.

 I'm standing _outside_ the traditional "liberal" vs. "conservative"
stereotypes. I'm an individualist.
-- 
sma4@ix.netcom.com
"The concept of 'greatness' entails being noble,
 wanting to be by oneself,
 being capable of being different, standing alone..." -Friedrich Nietzsche
"Identity is shaped through confict and opposition." -Camille Paglia



Home ·  Site Map ·  What's New? ·  Search Nizkor

© The Nizkor Project, 1991-2012

This site is intended for educational purposes to teach about the Holocaust and to combat hatred. Any statements or excerpts found on this site are for educational purposes only.

As part of these educational purposes, Nizkor may include on this website materials, such as excerpts from the writings of racists and antisemites. Far from approving these writings, Nizkor condemns them and provides them so that its readers can learn the nature and extent of hate and antisemitic discourse. Nizkor urges the readers of these pages to condemn racist and hate speech in all of its forms and manifestations.