From abels@stud-mailer.uni-marburg.de Sat Oct  5 13:14:31 PDT 1996
Article: 71940 of alt.revisionism
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From: Nele Abels-Ludwig 
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Subject: Re: Holocaust researchism
Date: 1 Oct 1996 11:09:16 GMT
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tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) wrote:
>tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) wrote:
>>The more books there are for the story, the more the lie stands
>>out. From a Holocaust deniers position, the more the merrier.

>The more photos, the more eyewitness accounts, the more of
>everything, the more the Holocaust story stands out as a lie.

The evidence disproves the truth? What an idiot...

Nele




From abels@stud-mailer.uni-marburg.de Sat Oct  5 14:19:24 PDT 1996
Article: 71942 of alt.revisionism
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From: Nele Abels-Ludwig 
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Subject: Re: Why I don't believe the Holocuast
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>Beth Dailey wrote:
[...] 
>> To all you Judao Christians, try living in Israel for 6 months
>> and do read their Talmud. 
[...]

Huh? What has living in Israel to do with reading the Talmud?
I have never been in Israel but I could always go to the 
bookshop 'round the corner and buy one, conveniently translated
into German. Well, I haven't done that (yet) therefore I don't
comment on it. I would recommend the same to you.

Nele



From abels@stud-mailer.uni-marburg.de Tue Oct  8 08:33:54 PDT 1996
Article: 72558 of alt.revisionism
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From: Nele Abels-Ludwig 
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Subject: Re: Strange jewish attitudes about jews.
Date: 6 Oct 1996 13:38:09 GMT
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mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt  Giwer) wrote:
[I wrote]
>>Yawn! Lying again...

>Gee, and it comes from an Israeli government source.  How 
>strange.  

Yawn lying again. Else he would point triumphantly at this
"Israeli government source" and say "You see, here it is!".

But he isn, because there is of course no "Israeli government
source".

What a cheap, cheap lier.

Nele





From abels@stud-mailer.uni-marburg.de Sun Oct 13 08:50:59 PDT 1996
Article: 73798 of alt.revisionism
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From: abels@stud-mailer.uni-marburg.de (Nele Abels-Ludwig)
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Subject: Re: So what's wrong with hating?
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 96 21:06:58 GMT
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tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) wrote:
[...]
>Moran loves onions, but hates liver.
[...]
>Moran hates the U.S. system for bowing to Jewish activity.

If this utterly infantile person is not able to distinguish between a
dislike of certain foods and racist ravings than there is little hope
for an intelligent discussion.

Nele



From abels@stud-mailer.uni-marburg.de Sun Oct 13 08:50:59 PDT 1996
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From: abels@stud-mailer.uni-marburg.de (Nele Abels-Ludwig)
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Subject: Re: Strange jewish attitudes about jews.
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mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt  Giwer) wrote:

Note that he has even given up faking a netcom handle.

>Learn how to do a web search, dumbshit.

An insult. What else is to be expected from the liar Giwer. Why should I bother searching
the net? Each and everytime Giwer makes a claim, it is a lie. The same it is now. I have
given him the chance actually QUOTE his evidence, but, well, I only received the expected
insults. The "lurkers" will form their own opinion.

Nele


From abels@stud-mailer.uni-marburg.de Sun Oct 13 10:32:34 PDT 1996
Article: 98799 of alt.conspiracy
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From: abels@stud-mailer.uni-marburg.de (Nele Abels-Ludwig)
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Subject: Re: SHOAH Uses ONLY Primary Sources
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mgiwer2@worldnet.att.net (Matt  Giwer) wrote:
[...]
>Listen up, child, I have read

He is lying.

> and I have learned

He is lying.

>and I have learned what the word "proven" means

If he has, why is he avoiding the consequences?

>and you have not.


>	Wiesel is a known liar.  Hitler is condemned solely because he was clever
>enough not to leave any evidence that he was involved, AS YOU KNOW.

Liar.

>	You have no knowledge whatsoever what proof means.
>	You need to learn and come back when you have ceased playing the emotional
>an lying female.  Dumb broads are not invited.

Wow, what a whipping. Pity only that it comes from a neurotic, unemployed drunkard who
is a self-confessed liar and the laughing stock of everbody.

Nele


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From: abels@stud-mailer.uni-marburg.de (Nele Abels-Ludwig)
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mgiwer2@worldnet.att.net (Matt  Giwer) wrote:
[...]
>Listen up, child, I have read

He is lying.

> and I have learned

He is lying.

>and I have learned what the word "proven" means

If he has, why is he avoiding the consequences?

>and you have not.


>	Wiesel is a known liar.  Hitler is condemned solely because he was clever
>enough not to leave any evidence that he was involved, AS YOU KNOW.

Liar.

>	You have no knowledge whatsoever what proof means.
>	You need to learn and come back when you have ceased playing the emotional
>an lying female.  Dumb broads are not invited.

Wow, what a whipping. Pity only that it comes from a neurotic, unemployed drunkard who
is a self-confessed liar and the laughing stock of everbody.

Nele


From abels@stud-mailer.uni-marburg.de Sun Oct 13 11:34:13 PDT 1996
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From: abels@stud-mailer.uni-marburg.de (Nele Abels-Ludwig)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: WHY SHOULD I BELIEVE THE HOLOCAUST?
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Chris DeNeve  wrote:
>Why should I believe the holocaust really happened.  I have seen no
>conclusive evidence.  Just some old guy came to my school and said
>that the fact he had numbers tatooed on his hand was proof.

The fact that you are not aware of evidence does not mean that there is no
evidence (oh the postmodern again!) I would recommend the Nizkor archives
for a starter, although printed publications are always the better choice if you
are really interested.

And I would be willing to bet a rather large sum that the "old guy" did NOT say
that the number-tattoo was the proof. Are you sure you got this right?

Nele



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mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt  Giwer) wrote:

>In the next episode there will be the ultimate eyewintess testimony to the
>holocuast.
>In his last life he was a Dutch Jew murdered by the Nazis.
>Watch and believe.

Oh, you are talking about the guy who has witnessed UFOs over the South Pole in
his present life?

Nele


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Jeffrey  wrote:

>This is slimilar to 'restricted' found on all army documents, >the lowest level. 

>As Irving says it's a 'janatorial' level of classification.

I have to redraw my first statement, this document indeed bears
no classification stamp, I have remembered it wrongly. Yet
"Geheime Reichssache" is not "restricted", that would be 
"vertraulich" or "nur für den Dienstgebrauch". "Geheim" is 
"Secret".

Nele




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mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt  Giwer) wrote:
..
>We've and eaten them Every one Long time ago

Taking into account that this man is a native speaker of
English, his linguistic inability is truly amazing!

Nele




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tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) wrote:
>Chuck supplies his "historical facts".  "Lifton" page this, page
>that.

That is exactly one author more than usually given by you.

Nele





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rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>>   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
[...]
>>  There was no problem  with typhus in POW camps in Germany and Austria in WWI
>> even at the end of the  war when the infrastructure of the central powers was as poor
>>  as it was in 1945. This was also before the development of DDT.
[...]
>>  	How many died of typhus in the KZ?

>Again, you distort.  From the Army Historical Series,
>Center of Military History, U.S. Government Printing
>Office, 1974:

Nope, he doesn't. The lengthy source you provided ONLY shows that
Typhus was a wide-spread problem in armies. The only CAMPS with
a typhus problem which are mentioned in your source are the German
concentration camps. Therefore Mr. Eideken's point that the many
inmates died from typhus because Kramer deliberately neglected counter
measueres stands unscratched. Typhus can obviously be controlled
efficiently in confined spaces, as you yourself give no examples for
epidemies in allied POW camps.

Better luck next time, but thanks for playing.

Nele

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From abels@stud-mailer.uni-marburg.de Sat Oct 19 10:43:25 PDT 1996
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rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>Comment:  Now, here is more lies from supporters of
>the Holocaust.

First, you keep your dishonest silence about the fact that today nobody
claims (not even the Russia) that the Polish officers were shot by Germans.
Second, it's telling that you do not say, when the book was published.

The one around here who is the lying Nazi apologist should be clear.

Nele


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From: abels@stud-mailer.uni-marburg.de (Nele Abels-Ludwig)
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Subject: Re: Hitler was a Jew, AND SO WAS MARX
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schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect) wrote:

>Fascinating.
>Do you have any PROOF that Heydrich was a Jew?
>Himmler had extremely strict regulations as to who could/could not work for
>him. How did Heydrich slip by?

Complicated story. There was (and is) actually quite a lot of rumour going on about
Heydrich's being a Jew. We have to keep in mind that according to the "standards"
of the SS that means that he had Jewish ancestor in the time reaching back to the
18th century. Also we have to keep in mind that the higher levels of Nazi organisations
was soaked with intrigue and that Himmler could therefore use such an information as
a powerful weapon against Heydrich whom he considered extremely dangerous. I
have read about this in a Himmler biography, unfortunately I don't have the title with
me right now.

Anyway, this question is not of much importance and it will probably nether be cleared.

Nele




From abels@stud-mailer.uni-marburg.de Mon Oct 21 07:02:02 PDT 1996
Article: 76054 of alt.revisionism
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From: abels@stud-mailer.uni-marburg.de (Nele Abels-Ludwig)
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Subject: Re: Bacon, Diogenes, Homer, Voltaire - enemies of Holocaust tyranny
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tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) wrote:
[...]
>	Freedom of Speech is the enemy of the totalitarian Holocaust lie.
>                                            Moran

Er, Mr. Moran, you have been stating your opinion about the Holocaust for a
fairly long time now (and that is perfectly ok. with me). So you obviously have
the freedom of speech here. But as far as I have noticed, the historical truth
that the Holocaust happened stays unscratched.

Thus there must be a little mistake in your assumption, mustn't it?

Nele


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alec@ gryn.org   (Alec Grynspan) wrote:
[Stele:]
>>Oh yes.   Having to pay extra for kosher tin-foil is cost-effective for everybody!

>Yes - a whole zero dollars and zero cents.
>I happen to have gone to the supermarket to do the weekly order. The
>"kosher" foil is either the same price as the non-kosher or a few cents
>less.

Hah! What you don't tell is that it is permissive for them mind control rays!

:) Nele



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DKholohuggingKen@holohugger.com (The Prime Holohugger) wrote:
>On 17 Oct 96 10:25:03, alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan) wrote:
>>I'll be sure to route any flames going my way back to you, Matt.
>>With interest.

>	No you won't.

Ah, here we have a self-identification of Matt Giwer as "The Prime Holohugger".

Fine.

Nele


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UniqueE1@aol.com wrote:
>Hey Ken!  I realize that your present job is a lot
>better (and warmer, especially in Winter!) than
>pumping gas, but other than you, why does anyone
>CARE about the so-called holocaust?  Seriously!

Apart from the so-called question whether the holocaust
happened or not, the systematic and organised killing
of countless people is by itself of interest to historiography.
That you "do not care" about so many people brutally
murdered in the near past is inhumane and telling. In my
opinion it is not at all that you "do not care", it seems
to me that you do not want to know (why else the
polemic?). The reasons remain unknown. Either
because the holocaust sheds an unfavourable light
on the political attitude of your choice, or because
it is all an "hoax" by the "bolschewistische Kampftruppen
des internationalen Weltfinanzjudentums" (tm A.H.) or
perhaps because it is just "cool" to be a Holocaust-denier.

>And what is that OBC after your name?  Is it like in
>those ads, you know, where a white mail seeks female
>non-smoker?  Does OBC mean Only Blonde Chicks maybe?

Sic tacuisses... Why do you insist on exposing you lack
of general education. Is it also "cool" to know nothing?

>Anyway, I mean, who really cares about it?  OK, maybe some
>of them died, but that was more than half a century
>ago.

You seem to be pretty young. High-school kid? Do you have
an idea who little half a century is in history?

[...]
>So my advice is get a six-pack of brewski's, tune
>in something OK on the tube, and give it a rest.
>Better yet, get a life.  Find a girl, go out on
>a date, and forget the crap.

Yes, you are definetly a high-school kid. You may be assured
that Mr. McVay has a quite productive life, something you
still have to accomplish. Perhaps you should start reading a
bit and expand your knowledge as a first step.
[...]

Nele

[posted and emailed]


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rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
[...]
>Mr. Gandhi, you really can be comical at times, or is that
>conical?

Hah! What a wit. That dwarfs  the weak scribblings of
an Oscar Wilde. But pray, why don't you elaborate on
Mr. Ghandi's remark? The question seems perfectly
justified to me why you put forward an older or even
outdated research status in order to denounce the
modern discussion as inaccurate, or as you term
it, a "lie"?
I would like to add the question whether you are
un-informed or distorting.

Nele


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>>   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
[...]
>>  	Except that anybody with an ounce of sense recognized instantly that
>>  this was a forgery by one of blackmore's heroe's Matt Giwer.  blackmore wants to
>>  pretend that he can tell us who and what to believe.
>>  	Now we have a demonstration of his analytical ability.
>>  	Go back to school, little boy.

What is more plausible is that "rblackmore" is perfectly aware of Giwer's forgeries
and lies about them to support their believability. That would be complicity to the
criminal acts of Giwer.

Nele

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