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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.skinheads,alt.conspiracy,alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Definition Of White Race
Date: Sun, 01 Dec 1996 21:41:42 -0500
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Christian Bau wrote:
> 
> In article <57mlba$g0r@newshost.vvm.com>, finto@vvm.com (Ken Finto) wrote:
> 
> > God made the different races for a reason.  I don't think it would be wise
> > to date or marry outside of your race.
> 
> God made different races to give people an opportunity to overcome their
> stupid prejudices. When so many people marry outside their race that races
> cannot be distinguished anymore, then we will have paradise on earth.



Brazil is a paradise?  Are you insane?




> 
> (You think that is nonsense? Sure. But at least it is no racist nonsense. )


	This business of "the races" is nonsense.  There is only one race you
are talking about.  Asia will remain Asian, African will remain
African.  ALL white majority countries and ONLY white majority countries
are what you are talking about.  Your so-called anti-racist program is
only anti-white.


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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.skinheads,alt.conspiracy,alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Definition Of White Race
Date: Sun, 01 Dec 1996 21:44:14 -0500
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A#N#T#I#R#U#S#H wrote:
> 
> If ET's ever land on Earth, they will refer to everyone on Earth as
> "Human Beings" or "Humans". ET's will not call one group "African,
> Asian,European" etc...
> Talk to any DNA Expert. They will tell you that "Mixing Races" is a
> redundant concept, since we are all of one race, mainly Human..
> 
> ##############################################################
> http://www.cris.com/~Antirush/
> mikescinto@aol.com is a nazi
> 'A flashlight is a storage facilty for dead batteries..'
> ##############################################################


	This is the standard PC line, to justify their demanding massive third
world
immigration and integration for EVERY white majority country, and ONLY
for white
majority countries. Asia is to remain Asian, Africa African, and all
white majority
countries are to turn into a brown soup.
	The only way PC's can justify this obvious genocide is to say that 1)
the white race does not exist and 2) the white race deserves it.  
     The white race is best defined by the term "the PC's target".


From bwhit@conterra.com Tue Dec  3 06:47:33 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Subject: Re: Hey, Love and Brotherhood PC's, Look at the Animals On Your Side!
Date: Sun, 01 Dec 1996 00:55:05 -0500
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Chuck Ferree wrote:
> 
> Chuck wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker wrote:
> >
> > There is little else so pathetic as an old fart beating his chest.
> 
> Yeah us old farts got nothing else to do. Our lives are practically
> over, all we have is our memories and nostalgia. No respect, we don't
> even get no respect from the 4-F MFs who just take up space in the
> world. They ridicule us because they envy us. No body ever gave them a
> dinner, as Red Buttons used to complain. Well, it's a free country, so
> they're entitled to blow off the real doers of the world.




   Methinks he protesteth a hell of lot, poor baby!
   I've taken away the old fart's toy.  He's been patted on the head and
told how manly he is for over fifty years.  Anytime, any place, it's :I
was in World War I!"  It was an excuse for everything.
	It made him spoiled child, and he never grew out of it.





> 
> Reminds me of a saying an old fart buddy had on his desk before he
> died.  "There are people who make things happen, and there are people
> who watch things happen, and then there are people who haven't a clue
> of anything happening."


	We DO feel sorry for ourselves, don't we?
	That's sickening.




> >
> >
> > Chuck Ferree wrote:
> > >
> > > Chuck writes:
> > >
> > > Listen up, you assholes. Do not, repeat do not... make comparisons
> > > between any American, or British person who fought in WW-II and the
> > > Germans, Austrians, SS, and or Nazis.
> >
> > You can talk about how wonderful you were all you want to, I'll say what
> > I damn well please.
> 
> Be my guest...say something wonderful about yourself. Come on, you can
> think of something. If it's too difficult, just make something up.



	You need to prove your manhood.  I don't.



> 
> > You never hestitate to bully and brag, so cut the order-giving.
> 
> I thought you wanted it to be O.K. to say whatever you wanted. Is it
> O.K. for just you, or can anybody do it?
> 
> Go clean up your room. (that's just a suggestion)
> Chuck


From bwhit@conterra.com Tue Dec  3 06:47:34 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.skinheads,alt.conspiracy,alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Definition of 'White Race' (was Re: Why Jews Push the Holocaust to the Goyim)
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TIMOTHY GUEGUEN wrote:
> 
> 1962230400001@198.68.190.10>
> :  <01bbd8d4$7b311060$2283aec7@default>
> Organization: Saskatoon Free-Net
> Distribution:
> 
> Rad (gconrad@sprynet.com) wrote:
> : Who are the Aryans?
> 
> : Look around the room that you are sitting in. Aryans invented everything in
> : it and outside of it. The jews only invented Christianity, Marxism and the
> : A-bomb (using white money).
> 
> : Rad
> Right, "Aryans" invented chairs, and houses, and beds, and toilets, and
> floors, and clothes, and clocks, and.....


Pretty much, yes.



> 
> Get real.
> 
> tim gueguen ad058@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca


From bwhit@conterra.com Tue Dec  3 06:47:35 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Subject: Re: Definition Of White Race
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william c anderson wrote:
> 
> Ken Finto (finto@vvm.com) wrote:
> 
> : God made the different races for a reason.  I don't think it would be wise
> : to date or marry outside of your race.
> 
> God made the different eye colors for a reason.  I don't think it would be
> wise to date or marry outside of your eye color.
> 
> Bill


	Mommy Professor would applaud.  But everybody else sees a guy thinking
he's making a point, when he's obviously making an joke of himself.


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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Chuck Ferree wrote:
> 
> Chuck Ferree writes:
> 
> Having already dealt with this Nazis bullshit, I ain't touching it
> again with Giwer's stick.
> 
> And no matter how evil this Nazi is, or the other way around, nice, I
> wonder if it's appropiate to treat Jim with any amount of respect. I
> just can't do it. He doesn't deserve it.
> 
> "Respectfully,"
> 
> Chuck


	Why don't you get out of this discussion between reasonable people and
go mumble to yourself about what a hero you are?


From bwhit@conterra.com Tue Dec  3 07:36:45 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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HENRY E. KILPATRICK JR. wrote:
> 
> Rad (gconrad@sprynet.com) wrote:
> : Smurfette  wrote
> : > > So what happened to your big deal new sig?
> 
> : Oops, I keep for getting to ad it. Sorry. It is good.
> 
> : --
> : Rad
> :
> : Without the 2nd Amendment, the other amendments are just suggestions.
> 
> It ain't much.  But you ain't much either, pissant.
> 
> --
> Buddy K


	Good old clone Kilpatrick: it's not PC, so it's awful
	Wouldn't you be disappointed if the PC clones didn't say that in
chorus?


From bwhit@conterra.com Tue Dec  3 07:36:46 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Subject: Re: Brian is caught in another stupid lie.
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Brian Smith wrote:
> 
> jimwalsh@transend.com.tw (Jim Walsh) wrote:
> 
> >In article <57885a$hoh@is05.micron.net>,
> >   sbrian@micron.net (Brian Smith) wrote:
> >::This is not true.  There still millions of people of purely Northern
> >::European stock for example and large unmixed populations of White
> >::Europeans. Look at Scandinavia for example.
> 
> >Since you have yet to provide a biological definition of "White", there is no
> >way to test this hypothesis. What genes are evidence of "white" people. Which
> >genes show that a person is "non-white". If you will answer this question
> >(there seem to be three questions here, but actually, the second two are just
> >detailed versions of the first one), then we can do DNA testing to find out if
> >your "hypothesis of "pure White" is true.
> 
> >BTW, aren't you the kind who argues that "one drop of non-White" makes one
> >"non-White"? If that is true then, for you, anyone you call "white" must be
> >"pure white". BTW, was your great-great-grandfather white? How do you know?
> >How about you great-great-great-great...?
> 
> Even if you could prove that all Whites are "impure" (which so far you
> have not done), it doesn't change our goal one wit.  Our goal is to
> separate the White race, with whatever non White fractional traces it
> possesses, and halt its further racial destruction.  In isolation the
> White race can then be "washed out" and begin to evolve again
> according to its own natural evolutionary path, as it did for
> thousands of years.   White nationalists themselves will decide who is
> and who isn't White for these purposes.   Obviously, someone with
> nappy hair and clearly mulatto skin will not be considered "White."
> 
> >::Races evolved in isolation, despite whatever elements among them left
> >::to miscegenate elsewhere.  In Europe, non-White were seen as invaders
> >::and treated as such. This isolation obtained for several centuries.
> 
> >Several centuries? You mean less than 10 generations? You mean that your
> >great-great-great... might have been a Mongol? Then, Brian, you are not pure
> >white, right?
> 
> >::The differences between these basic races are obvious in their
> >::appearance.  The African pygmy is obviously different from the Nordic
> >::or Asian.   The peoples of the world can still be classified and
> >::analyzed according to 4 or 5 basic races, even the combination
> >::mixtures which resulted from them.  Obviously, there can be infinite
> >::races from these combinations, but the original races which evolved in
> >::isolation are the components, and still exist unmixed in large
> >::populations.
> 
> >OK, now we are getting somewhere. The above looks like science (it isn't, but
> >it looks like it). The "original races". Which evolved in isolation. The word
> >"original" means the first, before the others, right? Is "white" one of the
> >"original" races, or a combination of original races?
> 
> >How do you know? You do know, don't you, that we are all descended from the
> >original humans who arose on the African continent. You know that don't you?
> 
> >::Liberals would have us believe the
> >::equivalent that a European has more in common with a Afrian than he
> >::does with his own  brother or sister.  There evidently is no depth of
> >::absurdity that the liberal will not descend to in order to deny the
> >::existence of race.
> 
> >What bizarre thought processes you have. This is total nonsense.
> 
> >Name one biologist or anthropologist (whether or not s/he is a "liberal") who
> >says that someone is more closely related to an African than to their brothers
> >and sisters. No one takes that position. It is a ridiculous position.
> 
> >If you fail to name even one who says this, then apologize for posting a false
> >statement.
> 
> That is the essence of the popular liberal position, taken up by
> several liberals in this forum:  that genetically a White has more in
> common with an African than he does with his fellow non-Whites.  I
> agree that it is an absurd position.
> 
> Brian Smith
> www.natall.com



    I still say the best definition of white is "the PC target".  They
unfailingly demand massive third world immigratinn ONLY into white
majority coountries, and into ALL white majority countries.  You can't
get a clearer definition than that.
	Now that they have been called on it -- something that never happens
outside the Net, they claim they are really worried about immigration
everywhere.  But watch them carefullly.  They scream and hit the streets
on a White Only basis, white majority countries only.


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Kathleen Mulhern wrote:
> 
> In article <57cmrg$g1v@is05.micron.net>, sbrian@micron.net (Brian Smith) wrote:
> 
> {snip}
> *Our goal is to separate the White race, with whatever non White
> fractional traces it
> *possesses, and halt its further racial destruction.  In isolation the
> *White race can then be "washed out" and begin to evolve again
> *according to its own natural evolutionary path, as it did for
> *thousands of years.   White nationalists themselves will decide who is
> *and who isn't White for these purposes.   Obviously, someone with
> *nappy hair and clearly mulatto skin will not be considered "White."
> {snip}
> 
> "White nationalists themselves will decide who is and who isn't White for
> these purposes."  Sound exactly like what Hitler did when deciding who was
> and who was not Jewish. 




	It sound like he wants people to make their own choices.  That is
something no PC can stand the thought of.










 Like Edith Stein, for example.



	If it's not too un-PC, take a look at *The Gulag Archipelago* and see
who your Great Hero and Glorious Ally Joseph Stalin killed.




  Edith Stein was
> born Jewish, converted to Catholocism, became a nun, was a brilliant
> philosopher who combined the teachings of St. Thomas Aquinas, Aristotle
> and Edmund Husserl into her own unique philosophy, and was promptly
> rounded up by the nazis and gassed in Auscwitz in 1944 because she was
> once Jewish.
> 
> If this is your goal, then perhaps you should examine the fact that
> in-breeding will soon occur within a "separated white society" and that
> society will die out very soon. 





Another clone, another repeat.
	The old argument: if you don't have racial intermarriage, you have
inbreeding.  Thius tired, tired, tired old refrain says that a breeding
population of several hundred million peopleconstitutes "inbreeding".  
Since the population of any race today is larger than the entire world
population a couple of hundred years ago, this means that all men were
always inbred.
	It also means that this clone, like every other one, repeats every PC
cliche no matter how silly. 







 The only reason that the human race has
> existed for as long as it has is because we have all been mixing since the
> beginning of time.  And the facts and dangers of inbreeding are proven all
> throughout history, as I have posted several times, which you have ignored
> several times.
> 
> --
> kate@accessone.com
> 
> "Phillip Morris Denies Cigarettes Are Cylindrical."
>           -Headline from "The Onion."


From bwhit@conterra.com Tue Dec  3 07:36:48 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Re: Hey, Love and Brotherhood PC's, Look at the Animals On Your Side!
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 19:17:06 -0500
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Allan Matthews wrote:
> 
> In article <329DB0A7.7434@conterra.com>, bwhit@conterra.com wrote:
> >        My best stuff goes out quick, because it's ignored by the clones, and
> >nobody on my side keeps it going.
> 
> ROTFL!!  Your high opinion of yourself, Booby, is truly hilarious.
> 
> Oh, BTW, as for the "clones" never responding to your "best" material
> (whatever the hell that could possibly be), please repost it so we can all
> respond to it.  Just try leaving out your over-used vocabulary of insults.
> 
> And while you're at it, Booby, maybe you could answer these questions I keep
> asking you but that you never seem to answer...
> 
> 1.  You're on record as saying whites and blacks should not go to the same
> schools - why not?
> 
> 2.  You're on record as saying whites and blacks should not live in the same
> "towns" (a term you don't define clearly) - why not?
> 
> 3.  You're on record as saying whites and blacks should not marry each other -
> why not?
> 
> And, just for added laughs, I'll give you a new one to come clean on clone.
> 
> 4.  Just where do asians fit into your above racial guidelines?
> 
> allan
> 
> =================================================
>             amatthews@cybercom.net
> =================================================
> A monk asked Un Mun, "What is Buddha?"
> Un Mun replied, "Dry shit on a stick."
> =================================================
> http://www.cybercom.net/~amatthews/amatthews.html
> =================================================



	I take it you want to get of fhte subject of your fellow PC bragging
about strafing civilians.


From bwhit@conterra.com Tue Dec  3 07:36:49 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Kathleen Mulhern wrote:
> 
> In article <5792i3$cds@is05.micron.net>, sbrian@micron.net (Brian Smith) wrote:
> 
> *Still waiting for you to read Dr. Gunther.  Evidently you don't read
> *anything not pre-approved as "politically correct."
> 
> Well, brian, the book you think is so wonderful was written by a nazi
> sympathizer and is not at all objective.  Perhaps you could try looking at
> an objective source... perhaps like a scientific journal?
> 
> --
> kate@accessone.com
> 
> "Phillip Morris Denies Cigarettes Are Cylindrical."
>           -Headline from "The Onion."


   Objective = PC


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Subject: Re: Whitaker offers esthetic definition of 'white'
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 19:24:26 -0500
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Eugene Holman wrote:
> 
> In article <329B0ECB.30EB@conterra.com>, bwhit@conterra.com wrote:
> 
> >         Another clone, another repeat:  I am not claiming the white race is
> > suprior, I am claiming it is my race and has a right ot exist.
> >         You are saying it does not.
> 
> Look, daddy-oh, being a benevolent ruler, we have nothing against you or
> the putative white race. The problem we have is that even though we are
> [in the American scheme of things] classificatorily African-American, we
> are a racial mixture, with something like a third to a half being 'white'
> (depending upon how 'white' is defined). What right to you have to claim
> the white race as your personal feifdom? It's also part of *our [= my
> personal]* heritage and we, like others of 'mixed' race also claim the
> right to determine the direction in which the 'white' race will evolve. Or
> does being 'white' mean only being 99.44% white (whatever the hell that
> means) or, even worse, being esthetically acceptable to Mr. Bob Whitaker ?


	The difference is that you feel obligated by your black blood and/or
your PC training to fight for the inundation and disappearance of the
white race.   People should not be accepted as spokesmen for a group
they intend to destroy.
	It occurs to me that each intermarriage you are pushing produces
another of yourown racial mix.  That's racist, too.




> 
> We have spoken.
> 
> Eugene the Curly-headed
> King of alt.politics.white-power, Protector of our Aryan heritage,
> Defender of the English language, Scourge of racial purity, etc. etc. etc.


From bwhit@conterra.com Tue Dec  3 07:36:51 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Philip Kasiecki wrote:
> 
> In article <57atch$ael@is05.micron.net>,
> Brian Smith (sbrian@micron.net) wrote:
> : pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu (Philip Kasiecki) wrote:
> : >In article <56vucl$d97@is05.micron.net>,
> : >Brian Smith (sbrian@micron.net) wrote:
> : >: josephcl@scf.usc.edu (Joseph Clark) wrote:
> : >: >Well, of course he wrote it because he hates all non-"white" people
> : >: >and he thinks that all blacks, jews, etc. should fry and is afraid
> : >: >that affirmative action will render him unable to do this, and he
> : >: >has all the wrong reasons behind his claim, but for once, his logic
> : >: >is right, in a twisted sort of way.
> 
> : >: Please post the proof that I "hate all Blacks, Jews, etc."
> 
> : >    That could take forever.  A quick look at your posts in DejaNews
> : >would do just fine.
> 
> : >        Phil "don't try to hide it" Kasiecki
> 
> : White nationalism has nothing to do with hatred, but rather,
> : self-love, the love of one's own people.
> 
>     If that's true, then you're not a White nationalist.  Hating others
> is not the same as loving oneself.  Truth is, Brian, you hate yourself.




Another clone, another repeat:
	That "you must be full of self-hate" line is so old and tired it is
made fun of regularlyon sit-coms.
	Like all religious fanatics, PC clones have been taught that that those
who disagree with them  do  so only because of  mental illness or Pure
Evil.







> 
>         Phil Kasiecki
> 
> --
> Philip T. Kasiecki
> Electrical and Computer Engineering
> Northeastern University Class of 1999
> 
> "None of us alone can save the nation or the
> world.  But each of us can make a positive
> difference if we commit ourselves to do so."
> -Cornel West, "Race Matters"


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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Subject: Re: Are There Races?
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G*rd*n wrote:
> 
> | ...
> 
> pendragn@cyberg8t.com (Arthur Ed LeBouthillier):
> | > | As I said, race DOES have biological components. However,
> | > | it is brought into significance within our own social goals. Like
> | > | all societies, we Europeans have our own kinship rules of
> | > | acceptability. Someone who may be somewhat related but
> | > | who exhibits traits of a foreign race are not deemed to be
> | > | members of our race.
> 
> G*rd*n wrote:
> | > So are you agreeing that the race system is arbitrary or
> | > not?  I would feel closer kinship with a half-brother of
> | > partially African descent than I would with a Russian
> | > plucked out of downtown Gorky -- we'd not only have common
> | > genes but a common language, common experiences, a common
> | > culture, and so forth, none of which the Russian would
> | > share.  So I could construct a race called "American" based
> | > on kinship and culture and my half-brother and I could
> | > start a club and refuse to let the Russian in.  Is this the
> | > principle you're describing?
> 
> bwhit@conterra.com:
> |       To repeat,  I don't get bogged down in sophism with PC clones. When you
> | say there is no white race,
> 
> Neither I nor Arthur Ed LeBouthillier said there was no
> White race.  What we were discussing was whether it was
> entirely a social convention or there was some biological
> basis to its construction.  If millions of people go around
> talking about racial this and that and identify themselves
> and others as "White" or "Black", then there are races, even
> if the distinction is made up out of nothing.
> 
> |                          you are tacitly admitting that you are
> | interested in immigration and integration in ALL white Majority
> | countries, and ONLY in white majority countries.  The only way you can
> | claim this pattern is not genocide is to say there is no white race.
> 
> Genocide refers to killing people because they belong to an
> ethnic group.  Nobody's getting killed, and immigration and
> integration aren't going to kill anybody.  If a group of
> people want to identify themselves as "White" (or "Purple")
> and breed only with others of their group, nobody is going
> to stop them.  In fact, there are people already doing this,
> although they categorize themselves by religion rather than
> color.  Just start a club and issue breeding cards or
> something.  Build a village and close yourselves off from
> the world.  It's a free country.

	Where the hell have you been?  Anybody who tries that would go jail,
and you damned well know it.  You wold be arrested for housing
discrimination, and your taxes would pay for a "low-cost", i.e., black
housing in your area.
	You did n't KNOW that?
	I repeat, where in the hell have you been?







> 
> |         I don't get drawn into this definitional sophism.  I
> | concentrate  on the admission behind it.
> |       You know exactly what the white race is.  You target it perfectly.
> 
> It has yet to be demonstrated in this discussion that there
> is any particular definition of "the White race" which can
> be determined from physical facts.  It isn't sophistry to
> ask questions about such things before embarking on
> significant public policy changes -- which you do suggest,
> do you not?
> --
>    }"{    G*rd*n   }"{  gcf @ panix.com  }"{


	Then how do you manage to target it so perfectly?


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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Vikram Rao wrote:
> 
> In article <329DD7A8.3F6@conterra.com>, bwhit@conterra.com wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Well- I don't have the time to beat down this SOB's ignorance
> point-by-point, but I will take on one issue he brought up. About
> "Baywatch"...you say it is the most popular show around the world.
> 
> 1. Do you have statistics to back that up?




	If it's not popular, then say so.  Everybody else says it is, or hadn't
you noticed?





> 
> 2. Along with those statistics, do you have statistics that indicate the
> racial makeup of the viewers? (Could it be popular mostly among whites?)



	So the white race doesn't exist, but it's just popular among whites,
eh?
	PC Doublethink again.







> 
> 3. How is it that "Baywatch", one US television series, defines beauty for
> this country and the rest of the world?


	Another clone, another repeat.
	As I said, when you PC's control things, as in European beauty
contests, you can have ablack Miss Netherlandds this year and a black
Miss Finland next year, etc.   You can talk about how beautiful all the
ugly people are.
	My point was that, when the PC establishment isn't watching, what
happens is waht you and everybody else damn well knows will happen.  I
didn't say I selected Baywatch.  I am saying the public went crazy for
unapologetically beautiful Nordic people.
	Now you  actually expect someone to believe that they just happened to
add a black to racially balance the case.   As I say, you're welcome to
any moron who could actually believe that was accidental. 
	Your problem is an inferiority complex.  You have to have all those
shouts of "how beautiful those seemingly ugly people are!" because you
belive those ugly peoiple are ugly.   That's what makes you love
Political Correctness.  





> 
> 4. You mention over and over again about how certain races look "ugly". Why
> is it that you assume that YOUR concept of what is beautiful and what is
> ugly applies to the rest of the people on earth? This is a flawed,
> arrogant, and ignorant assumption.

	

	I said, over and over again, that if you take two widely separated
races like black and white and throw them together, the result is
usually going to be ugly.
	A handsome black with regular features breeds with a beautiful white
with regular features.  The result is very unlikely to have regular
features.
	Instead of beautiful children, you get something only a PC could
profess to love.   Being ugly is hard on the children, too, of course,
but who cares?   You're getting rid of whitey, and that's the point.
	Did you get it this time or shall I repeat it?






> 
> 5. I would appreciate a response to each of the 4 above points, as opposed
> to a blubbering, long-winded verbal assault that avoids these clear
> questions/issues.
> 
>                                - Vikram Rao


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Jim Walsh wrote:
> 
> In article <32A0BABB.4A93@conterra.com>,
>    Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> ::> Just start a club and issue breeding cards or
> ::> something.  Build a village and close yourselves off from
> ::> the world.  It's a free country.
> ::
> :: Where the hell have you been? Anybody who tries that would go jail,
> ::and you damned well know it. You wold be arrested for housing
> ::discrimination, and your taxes would pay for a "low-cost", i.e., black
> ::housing in your area.
> 
> As to the first suggestion, a "breeding club", your comments about illegality
> are completely nonsense. A club of this sort is completely legal. As for the
> second suggestion, racial discrimination in regard to the sale of land, there
> are NO criminal sanctions, but there are risks of civil liability. As for
> building "low cost" housing in your neighborhood, you are as likely to be hit
> by a falling airplane as to have that happen.


	I drive by "low-cost" housing forced into heavily white neighborhhods,
every day.  They're everywhere.  Nobody I know has been hit by your
falling airplane.   Again, you seem to have your own world going.





 "Where the hell have you been?"
> indeed. You are the one who should be answering this question.
> 
>      Love, Jim Walsh
> 
> [P.S. I sometimes correct spelling and grammar in quoted material without intending to modify the meaning.]


From bwhit@conterra.com Tue Dec  3 07:36:55 PST 1996
Article: 37629 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Subject: Re: Whitaker offers esthetic definition of 'white'
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Eugene Holman wrote:
> 
> In article <329DD7A8.3F6@conterra.com>, bwhit@conterra.com wrote:
> 
> > Eugene Holman wrote:
> 
> > >    We place little trust in the opinion about much of anything of people
> > > who have nothing better to do with their time than watch BayWatch. If,
> > > though, for the sake of argument and to humor you, we accept this as a
> > > valid point, we shall counter by calling attention to the fact that in
> > > this year's Miss Universe Beauty Pageant, a contest in which thousands of
> > > beautiful young women from all over the world participated, the winners,
> > > Miss Venezuela (a Caucasoid Hispanic with an obvious Indian admixture),
> > > Miss Aruba (a moderately brown-skinned lady with strong Negroid and
> > > Caucasoid features, as well as a hint of American Indian or Oriental in
> > > her eye shape), and Miss Finland (a brown-skinned Western African Nordic
> > > mixture) took the top three places. None of the blonde-tressed, blue eyed
> > > Nordic types could stand up to these three lovlies in the eyes of the
> > > judges and audience.
> >
> 
> >         Hoilarious!  Miss Universe is whwere the Netherlands and Finland send
> > BLACK women!  That is the most obviously Politically Correct crap
> > possible.  People like you send them so you can rave about how beautiful
> > these ugly people are.
> >         In the real world, they were astonished that *Baywatch* wsa instantly
> > the most popualr TV show on earth.  PC's like to talk this interracial
> > crap, but real people like the real thing.
> 
>    Reruns of the Bill Cosby Show are more popular here than BayWAtch ever
> has been.
> 
>    We don't know how Miss Netherlands was selected, but beautiful, poised,
> and graceful Lola Odusoga was selected as Miss Finland as the result of
> local, regional, and national talent and beauty scouting contests. Her
> selection was neither the whim nor the *Diktat* of the local PC crowd, but
> rather the collective will of the nation:


	OH, HORSESHIT!
	You can have anybody who is willing to believe that crap.




 a sizable number of the people
> in Finland not only consider her to be the most beautiful Finnish girl in
> her age group right now but were also eager to send the signal to the
> thousands of Finns of mixed race as well as to the world that our society
> does not equate beauty with a specific configuation of blue eyes, fair
> skin, and blonde hair. 


	That's what they told YOU.  What do yo think they're going to tell a
mulatto?





Northern Europe is rapidly and decisively
> developing darker-skinned minorities, just as southern Europe and many
> African and Asian countries have developed or are in the process of
> developing expatriate communities of settlers from other countries,
> including European and North American expatriates, who don't see the
> accident of their race as a permanent
> meal-ticket to a life of unearned privilege in mansions with legions of
> servants, as was often the case in your beloved but unlamented Rhodesia,
> but are willing to live more or less as the locals do, making their
> contribution to and enriching local business and cultural life to the best
> of their ability.




	Your so-called movement of Europeans into other areas is actually
damned small and whites are coming OUT of Africa.  What you are really
describing here is your belioved mass movement of the third world into
EVERY white country and ONLY into white countries.
	In these terms,  your few thousand Europeans shifting around doesn't
mean a damn thing.
	You have just said that your ongoing genocide against whites is OK
because 1) there's no such thing as a white race and 2) the white race
deserves it.
	What you also added was that, without the pressure of PC, little Europe
is just delighted to be overrun.  That's why you have anti-speech hate
laws and prison sentences.  Folks just love it so much they're
overenthusiastic.
	Do you actually BELIEVE any of this?





> 
> Every country that participates in international trade, commerce, and
> exchange needs at least a few people that are experts about other
> countries and have the kind of first-hand experience with their language
> and culture which can only be acquired by many years of residence.
> Countries like Finland have people who have spent a good deal of their
> lives living in places like Namibia (former South West Africa), Senegal,
> Russia, Estonia, Jamaica, Germany, Afghanistan, Brazil, Nigeria, China,
> India, Spain, Thailand, Tanzania, Mexico, Vietnam, Georgia, Korea, and
> Japan, just as there are Namibian, Senegalese, Russian, Estonian,
> Jamaican, German, Afghanistani, Brazilian, Nigerian, Chinese, Indian,
> Spanish, Thai, Tanzanian, Mexican, Vietnamese, Georgian, Korean, and
> Japanese residents of Finland. The same holds true on some scale for just
> about every combination of countries in the world. The existance of such
> local expertise and, at the other end, expatriate communities,
> facilitates contacts and allows for intercultural contacts that go beyond
> the superficiality of mass tourism.
> 
> We have spoken.
> 
> Eugene the Curly-headed
> King of alt.politics.white-power, Protector of our Aryan heritage,
> Defender of the English language, Scourge of racial purity, etc. etc. etc.


From bwhit@conterra.com Tue Dec  3 07:36:56 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Philip Kasiecki wrote:
> 
> In article <01bbde40$204b4e60$a875d6ce@default>,
> Richard A. Hernandez (Camillo@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
> : Philip Kasiecki  wrote in article
> : <57gcqh$ish@chaos.dac.neu.edu>...
> : > In article <01bbda88$6dfe2440$4c75d6ce@default>, Richard A. Hernandez
> : (Camillo@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
> : > : Philip Kasiecki  wrote in article
> : > : <5721qg$7om@chaos.dac.neu.edu>...
> : > : >     Whites, like all other human beings, have an obligation to
> : > : > all of humanity.
> 
> : > : Grrrrreat!!! I'm glad you feel that way Philip! You can start by
> : > : dropping out of Northeastern University, and donate all the monies
> : > : (your allowance included)
> 
> : >     I haven't had an allowance since before I was a teenager.  My
> : > brother has *never* had one, for that matter.
> 
> : Uh Huh, and there's no such thing as race either, Right!
> 
>     Who the *fuck* are you to say what goes on in my family?  You have
> *never* been in my home, and you have *no* idea whatsoever of what goes
> on there.  So shut the fuck up on something you know nothing about.
> 
> : > : that would have gone into such a wasteful bourgeois pursuit as an
> : > : higher education, and donate it all to the relief effort in Rwanda.
> 
> : >     Why don't you donate some of your money there?
> 
> : I'm not the one espousing the incredibly moronic notion that  all human
> : beings have an obligation to all of humanity" my Down's Syndrome
> : friend, you are!
> 
>     *sigh*  I forgot I was dealing with the master of condescension...
> 
> : > : Do it Philip! Unless you're a hypocitical, spinless twitt like every
> : > : other liberal (communist) I've had the misfortune to meet.
> 
> : >     How would that make me a hypocrite?


You wouldn't understand.




> 
> : Don't you want all of us to adopt your "obligation to all of humanity"
> : twaddle? Let's see some green college boy!
> 
>     Two things: I could do a helluva lot more after I've graduated, for
> one, and also, I've never been one who feels that just throwing money
> into something makes it better; the money has to be well-spent.
> 
> : >  Oh, I get it- the racists think that Whites are naturally nasty,
> : > careless human beings, who don't have an ounce of decency in them as
> : > far as others go.
> 
> : What the H*ll post are you reading anyway? "Racists" (whatever that
> : means anymore  feel that "Whites" are so compassionate of others, they
> : inevitably neglect their own.
> 
>     Why is it they never speak of any natural decency, then?  Why do
> they always attribute this to "communism", or some other influence?


	You clones persist in the illusion that everybody here has not heard
your Political Correctness until they can recite in their sleep.  We
have heard your whole PC routine hundreds of times at public expense.
	You still think you're some kind of mystery, and it takes a mind reader
to get
behind your words.
	Undeceive yourself.










> 
>         Phil Kasiecki
> 
> --
> Philip T. Kasiecki
> Electrical and Computer Engineering
> Northeastern University Class of 1999
> 
> "None of us alone can save the nation or the
> world.  But each of us can make a positive
> difference if we commit ourselves to do so."
> -Cornel West, "Race Matters"


From bwhit@conterra.com Tue Dec  3 07:36:57 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Philip Kasiecki wrote:
> 
> In article <32A09191.1CBE@conterra.com>,
> Bob Whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) ran his automated response machine and
> had it produce the following:
> :       You clones persist in the illusion that everybody here has not
> : heard your Political Correctness until they can recite in their sleep.
> : We have heard your whole PC routine hundreds of times at public expense.
> :       You still think you're some kind of mystery, and it takes a mind
> : reader to get behind your words.
> :       Undeceive yourself.
> 
>     Bobby persists in the illusion that everybody here has not read his
> repetitious drivel until we can recite it in our sleep.  We have read
> his repeats hundreds of times at public expense.


Another clone, another repeat.  Kasiecki-Brown has said this before:
that I am talking here "at public expense".  As a clone, he has no idea
what that means: taxes are public expense, I am paying for this myself.
	To Kasiecki-Brown, the school is paid for and owned by Mommy professor,
not the citizenry.  He is quite simply unaware of the difference.




>     Bobby still thinks he's some kind of intellectual, and that it takes
> a mind reader to realize he's just refusing to address points, lying
> about the words of others, and repeating the same drivel and wasting
> bandwidth on everyone.
>     Undeceive yourself.
> 
>         Phil Kasiecki
> 
> --
> Philip T. Kasiecki
> Electrical and Computer Engineering
> Northeastern University Class of 1999
> 
> "None of us alone can save the nation or the
> world.  But each of us can make a positive
> difference if we commit ourselves to do so."
> -Cornel West, "Race Matters"


From bwhit@conterra.com Tue Dec  3 07:36:58 PST 1996
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G*rd*n wrote:
> 
> G*rd*n wrote:
> | >                                       ...  If a group of
> | > people want to identify themselves as "White" (or "Purple")
> | > and breed only with others of their group, nobody is going
> | > to stop them.  In fact, there are people already doing this,
> | > although they categorize themselves by religion rather than
> | > color.  Just start a club and issue breeding cards or
> | > something.  Build a village and close yourselves off from
> | > the world.  It's a free country.
> 
> bwhit@conterra.com:
> |       Where the hell have you been?  Anybody who tries that would go jail,
> | and you damned well know it.  You wold be arrested for housing
> | discrimination, and your taxes would pay for a "low-cost", i.e., black
> | housing in your area.
> |       You did n't KNOW that?
> |       I repeat, where in the hell have you been?
> 
> Oh, reading about the Hasidim (a Jewish sect) in upstate New
> York, and the Hutterites in the Midwest.  They have whole
> villages unto themselves.  Where have _you_ been?


You PC's put on the stupid act so well I believe you.  There are Jewish
outfits, some old religious outfits, and plenty of all-black outfits. 
It is only whites that you come after if they try to do that.  
	Have you ever heard of fair housing laws?  Have you ever heard of
busing?
	Have you ever heard oif racial balance?
	Have you ever heard of soc-called "low cost" meaning black housing pu
tinto communisites that are too white by judges?
	Are you really as stupid as you pretend?





> 
> bwhit@conterra.com:
> | > |         I don't get drawn into this definitional sophism.  I
> | > | concentrate  on the admission behind it.
> | > |       You know exactly what the white race is.  You target it perfectly.
> 
> g*rd*n:
> | > It has yet to be demonstrated in this discussion that there
> | > is any particular definition of "the White race" which can
> | > be determined from physical facts.  It isn't sophistry to
> | > ask questions about such things before embarking on
> | > significant public policy changes -- which you do suggest,
> | > do you not?


        Your so-called questions have nothing  to do with the problem.
	Are you really that stupid?




> 
> bwhit@conterra.com:
> |       Then how do you manage to target it so perfectly?
> 
> I suspect that like your idea of the White race, my
> "targeting" is almost entirely in your mind, with only a few
> hints from the outer world.  That way, it can be as perfect
> as you like.  Enjoy!


	You should know that one never hears one of you people deamdning
immigration or integration for coutnries which are not white majority.
	Are you really too stupid to notice that after it's pointed out?



> 
> --
>    }"{    G*rd*n   }"{  gcf @ panix.com  }"{


From bwhit@conterra.com Tue Dec  3 07:36:59 PST 1996
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Jim Walsh wrote:
> 
> In article <32A2107B.5F8A@conterra.com>,
>    Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> ::      To repeat, for those who are capable of understanding, not you, Jews
> ::are allowed to set up their own communities.  In the real world, blacks
> ::can set up their own communities.   But we are talking about whites.
> ::Everybody but you clones knows damned well that there are plenty of laws
> ::and bureaucrats to prevent just exactly that.
> 
> If you have applied to buy a house and have been refused because of your
> "White" race, you may sue for racial discrimination, just like anyone else.
> And you either know this and pretend you don't; or are too stupid to be
> allowed out in public.



	Only a clone could actually say out loud that he thinks these laws are
aimed at integrating all-non-white communities.  Everybody else knows
they're aimed at whites, and all enforcement is against whites who want
to live separately.
		As I explain to each of you clones in turn, my problem with your
so-called "mixing" is that you are only interested in doing it in white
majority countries.  You demand massive third world immigration into
EVERY white majority country, and ONLY into white majority countries. 
You demand your so-called "race" mixing, which is  actually only *white*
mixing, and you use public moneyt for busing and "low-cost"(black)
housing to chase down any white excapees.
	Your so-called solution to the race problem is always only the final
solution to the white problem. 
	Don't worry, I'll keep repeating this until each and every one of you
clones has
heard it.








> 
>      Love, Jim Walsh
> 
> [P.S. I sometimes correct spelling and grammar in quoted material without intending to modify the meaning.]


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Philip Deitiker wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> 
> >CSKBB@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU wrote:
> >>
> >> I have come to the conclusion that it is pointless to argue with either
> >> Bobby Whitaker or Brian Smith.  Neither one has any intention of answering
> >> any questions seriously.  They simply label anyone who disagrees with the
> >> race traitors (Smith) or PC clones (Whitaker) and refuse to address their
> >> real points.  Hardly surprising, but sad.  They realize that their
> >> disgusting ideology can't survive the light of real debate, so they hide
> >> under the rocks of half-truths and lies.  Rather pitiful.
> >>
> >> But still, I'll try one more time.
> >>
> >> The idea of race.  What is this thing race you speak of?  Is it skin tone?
> >> But didn't the human race originate in Africa, and its only the movement to
> >> northern sun-starved climates that turned some of us (like me) pale.  What
> >> does that skin color adaptation have to do with making pale people better/
> >> smarter, whatever, than everyone else.  And how do you explain Indians
> >> (in India) who have caucasoid features but skin ranging from light to very
> >> dark brown?
> 
> >       Standard clone statement I've answered many, many times.  I will repeat
> >the same reply for you as for the other clones, and I'll keep repeating
> >until  you hear me.
> >       You clones say the white race does not exist,
> 
> I don't think you've been paying attention, bob. The white race does
> exist, in escense its core is synonomous with indo-europeans; however,
> if you use this as a standard bearer for races in the world there are
> then > 30 other races. From a cultural point of view race is certainly
> being used to catagorize people... So, yes, the white race does exist.
> The question orignially was, if I remember correctly, is what was the
> biological significance of race (or what proof that race is
> biologically insiginificant).  What others and I have been trying to
> tell you is that one cannot easily superimpose 'race' based genetic
> with molecular genetic classification. The current race classification
> is _highly_ deficient as a genetic classification system.
> 
> >but only when that can be
> >used against the white race.  For your insults and attacks and demands
> >for reparations, the white race definitely exist.   You arguments for
> >genocide against whites are two: 1) the white race does not exist and 2)
> >the whtie race deserves it.
> 
>    There is no global genocide against the 'white' race. The white
> race has prospered unmatched over the last 4000 years. From a regional
> population on the black sea to the propogation of colonies all across
> europe the america's. Relative to other world populations,
> indoeuropean genetic contribution has undoubtedly increased over this
> period. Consider that in the americas indoeuropean genes are probably
> at the level of 50%, in europe (outside of the steppes)  australia,
> new zealand, etc the contribution is probably closer to 90%. There are
> lesser contributions in africa and asia.  If I had to guess I would
> say that IE gene freqeuncies were at the level of 5% 4 KYBP. Now they
> are probably on the order of 30%. a six fold relative increase
> compared to most other world populations.
> 
> >       When it comes to your program, the white race exists, for sure.  You
> >demand massive third world immigration into EVERY white majority
> >country, and ONLY into white majority countries.  Quite a coincidence
> >for anyone wo insists he doesn't know what white is.
> 
	You did a lot oftalking before you got to the PC clone aprt.









Who is demanding  immigration. You're a real ding-dong, you know that.



	You clones persist in the illusion that everybody here has not heard
your Political Correctness until they can recite in their sleep.  We
have heard your whole PC routine hundreds of times at public expense.
	You still think you're some kind of mystery, and it takes a mind reader
to get
behind your words.
	Undeceive yourself.









> During the post columbian period, europeans managed to settle,
> colonize and frequently displace all kinds of endemic populations
> world wide, with very little dilution of the population in europe. If
> we are to go buy you're thoughts I think we can do the following...
> Take all non-dravidian poeples in india and drive them back to the
> black sea. Take all non-native (or IE origin) americas, autstralians,
> africans and send them back to  europe. Then almost all europeans and
> move them back to the ukraine. Not to mention a good portion of
> persian, pakistani, afganistan, etc.


	This is a cutesy way to say we're actually talking about "all races"
here.

Another clone, another repeat:

		As I explain to each of you clones in turn, my problem with your
so-called "mixing" is that you are only interested in doing it in white
majority countries.  You demand massive third world immigration into
EVERY white majority country, and ONLY into white majority countries. 
You demand your so-called "race" mixing, which is actually only *white*
mixing, and you use public moneyt for busing and "low-cost"(black)
housing to chase down any white excapees.
	Your so-called solution to the race problem is always only the final
solution to the white problem. 
	Don't worry, I'll keep repeating this until each and every one of you
clones has
heard it.




 Hey, I like this solution, sounds
> good me. Since the basque are the only notable remant of pre-IE europe
> they undoubtably would  inherit all of europe excepting the ukraine.
> The rest wouild belong to the sicilians, and what's left of the
> ancient iberian populations. Hey, bob, how do you like the Ukraine?
> That's the safe way, you know, the IE population would be so
> condensed, so concentrated and isolated there would be little chance
> for immigration (i.e. inihibition via extreme overpopulation
> pressure).
> 
> >       You demand integration in every single white majority country, and only
> >in white majority countries, complete with racial busing to chase down
> >escapee white children and tax-paid black "low cost" housing to chase
> >down escaping families.
> 
> I don't think this was the original issue, the issue was: what are the
> race deniers denying? The core of this issue revolves around persons
> of mixt origin. According to legal classification in the US a person
> of 1/2 european 1/2 african is classified as black; however,
> considering that the that race best used is a social classification,
> then I think that the legal definition is incorrect. Secondarily, the
> mixing problem has preceded formal intregration by several hundred
> years. The only difference is that 100 years ago if a person was of
> mixed origin they might conceal that fact if possible to fit in the
> community which was most suitible to that person. In the 1990's its
> acceptible to call oneself a 'halfbreed' (or other more PC terms) and
> not have to really try to fit into one of three or more established
> catagories, these poeple aren't denying anything they are making a
> statement about who they are. Before there was such a thing as
> political correctness there are communities around this world that
> have face the issue of outbreeding and frequently this results in new
> nations of peoples, other times allignment with the prevelant culture.
> 
> These people are not trying to be political correct, they are trying
> say something about the ionappropriateness of the cultural
> classification sytem as it applies to them.
>    I can give an example: Suppose that a black man and a white woman
> produce offspring, then at some later point the father leaves or has
> minimal contribution to that family. Or supposed that the father is
> isolated with his family in the white community and adapts 'white'
> culture. The offspring of this person would be:
> 
> genetically:   given that mosts african americans have some white
> contribution and the genetics of the mother, mostly of white origin.
> 
> culturally:    being isolated from other africna americans the
> children would accept 'white' traditions, thus culturally they would
> be 'white'
> 
> legally:  BLACK (african american). Even after 4 more generations of
> marriages with white individuals these filial would be legally
> considered black.
> 
> I don't know about you but if I were one of these children I would
> certainly scratch my head on this one.  I don't think they are denying
> anything accept the inappropriatness of the laws they are forced to
> obey.
> 
>    To add to this what if one is australo arborogine. You're not
> african, your'e not asian in its common since, and you're not 'white'.
> What if you're from the middle east? most are mixtures of all three
> 'races'  What race is this?  Semite? What about native south
> americans, they are derived from asian, but originate from regions
> atypical of most asians, and problably have a significant caucasion
> contribution. What race are they?
> 
> >       Standard Politically Correct crap.   As I have explained to each clone
> >in turn, I think the problem with Jews has nothing to do with any
> >conspiracy.  I think Judaism has become a culture based entirely on
> >self-pity.
> 
> A highly tenacious culture, with probably the greatest per person
> contribution to the modern period, and with the longest and most well
> documented history of any extant group. Without Jewry, this world
> would probably look alot different from what it does now, and bob, the
> whites have certainly benifited both genetically (their contribution
> to facilitating european global colonization)  and socially from the
> contribution of Jews, so if I were you I'de keep this one under the
> rug. Whites without jews would probably equal a conquered instead of a
> conquering 'race'. With all these attempts of folks 'like' yourself to
> denegrade them, their success as a group is certainly more worthy of
> the anal-ly  derived characterisitics you give them.
> 
> >  The mostly Eastern European Jews who came over after the
> >Civil War brought all their old hates and revenge feeling with them.   I
> >certainly have no trouble with the ideas of Judah P. Benjamin,
> >Confederate Secretary of the Treasury, or the father of Barnard Baruch,
> >who was Deputy head of the Confederate Medical Corps, or his Jewish
> >boss.
> >       As I have said to each clone, and wil have to say to each new one, it
> >is that your idea that Jews can have been mistreated throughout the ages
> >and have no grudges at all in return is nuts.   Your idea that this
> >revengeful attitude in what is now the official "I am Jewish, so..."
> >attitude in America simply does not exist is post-World War II
> >orthodoxy, but it is the swing of the same pendulum Hitler was part of.
> >       I think Jews are people, with the nastiness and hatred left in.
> >Anti-semites think Jews are devils, you think Jews are angels.
> 
> I think you'll find in every group persons whose thresholds of
> integrity are lower than others. Noone here has said that Jews are
> angels, certainly the palestinians and mediterranean syrians don't
> feel that way.
>    But also getting to thresholds of maturity and integrity, I find
> much more embarrasing about the attitudes of  white race and its
> history of transgression against other peoples than I have found with
> Jewry. You know, Jews accept very distantly related individuals who
> have been genetically separated from ashkanazi and sephardic
> populations for greater than 2500 years. This includes folks of
> principally asian and african genetics. I wish 'white' society could
> have the same mature attitude about assimilating people with like
> minds rather than for skin color.
> 
> As far as current festering attitudes are concerned, your a perfect
> example of what's wrong with 'our' race.
> 
> Philip
> 
> P.S. Can we move this lineage of masculinized bovine feces out of
> sci.anthropology, I note there are many people complaining about this,
> and while the opinions voiced here might be excellent material for
> social anthropology discussion (why, even in modern times, people feel
> insecure without the security blanket of affirmed inheritance?), the
> topics themselves are really just taking up excessive space.


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CSKBB@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU wrote:
> 
> To Frank Forman:
> 
> Read your reply (sorry I'm not quoting it, but my newsreader is for the dogs).
> I'm confused.  You ask for my take on race, and then offer much commentary
> but little content.  What exactly are YOUR views on race?  The distilation
> of your remarks seems to be: 1-Cultural groupings are important & 2-I don't
> want to see the world get too bland.  Is this all?  I also wouldn't be fond
> of a bland world (it's so boring), but I'm not really worried about it.
> We've been mingling and seperating culturally/genetically for many a year,
> and I believe we'll go on doing so.  But opposing racism I
 am not saying
> people should not be different, but rather that they should not force
> racial world-view down the throats of others.
> 
> So Frank: What are your views on race, the National Alliance,
> anti-semitism, and other issues of the moment?
> 
> Carl Skutsch
> cskbb@cunyvm.cuny.edu




	Here we go with the old "the races" and "diversity" crap again.
	As I explain to each of you clones in turn, my problem with your
so-called "mixing" is that you are only interested in doing it in white
majority countries.  You demand massive third world immigration into
EVERY white majority country, and ONLY into white majority countries. 
You demand your so-called "race" mixing, which is  actually only *white*
mixing, and you use public money for busing and "low-cost"(black)
housing to chase down any white escapees.
	Your so-called solution to the race problem is always only the final
solution to the white problem. 
	Don't worry, I'll keep repeating this until each and every one of you
clones has
heard it.


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Jim Walsh wrote:
> 
> In article <01bbdece$5ad728e0$c3c6b7c7@default>,
>    "Richard A. Hernandez"  wrote:
> ::As for your infantile arguments ie: " Race does not exist " etc. Despite
> ::your
> ::pretentious sig., you are a nobody! You offer no scholorship,
> 
> Hey stupid!! Yeah, you. Got your attention now? OK, the consensus of
> scientists in the America is that there are no races. Go to your nearest
> University (no, not a Bible college). Go to the library. Ask for the textbooks
> used in introductory Physical Anthropology. Read them. I can virtually
> guarantee that this book will say that there are no races.
> 
> You have your homework assignment, I will expect your report prior to December
> 15th. Is that clear.
> 
>      Love, Jim Walsh
> 
> [P.S. I sometimes correct spelling and grammar in quoted material without intending to modify the meaning.]





	Can you imagine a school or university allowing a book to be used as a
textbook which did NOT say that?

	Another clone, another repeat: throughout history, anthropology
teextbooks have ALWAYS been perfectly Politically Correct on the subject
of race.  I have spoken of this at length here repeatedly.
	When it comes to race, anthropology is a straight and unapologetic
whore.


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G*rd*n wrote:
> 
> G*rd*n wrote:
> |> |>                                       ...  If a group of
> |> |> people want to identify themselves as "White" (or "Purple")
> |> |> and breed only with others of their group, nobody is going
> |> |> to stop them.  In fact, there are people already doing this,
> |> |> although they categorize themselves by religion rather than
> |> |> color.  Just start a club and issue breeding cards or
> |> |> something.  Build a village and close yourselves off from
> |> |> the world.  It's a free country.
> 
> bwhit@conterra.com:
> |> |      Where the hell have you been?  Anybody who tries that would go jail,
> |> |and you damned well know it.  You wold be arrested for housing
> |> |discrimination, and your taxes would pay for a "low-cost", i.e., black
> |> |housing in your area.
> |> |      You did n't KNOW that?
> |> |      I repeat, where in the hell have you been?
> 
> G*rd*n wrote:
> |> Oh, reading about the Hasidim (a Jewish sect) in upstate New
> |> York, and the Hutterites in the Midwest.  They have whole
> |> villages unto themselves.  Where have _you_ been?
> 
> bwhit@conterra.com:
> |You PC's put on the stupid act so well I believe you.  There are Jewish
> |outfits, some old religious outfits, and plenty of all-black outfits.
> |It is only whites that you come after if they try to do that.
> 
> The Hasidim and the religious outfits aren't White?  They
> look White to me.  How do you know they're not White?
> 
> bwhit@conterra.com:
> |       Have you ever heard of fair housing laws?  Have you ever heard of
> |busing?
> |       Have you ever heard oif racial balance?
> |       Have you ever heard of soc-called "low cost" meaning black housing pu
> |tinto communisites that are too white by judges?
> |       Are you really as stupid as you pretend?
> 
> All the things you name are demanded of businesses and
> governments that take money from people in general.  If you
> really want to get out of the system, you can do it, as the
> examples I gave show. 




	To repeat, for those who are capable of understanding, not you, Jews
are allowed to set up their own communities.  In the real world, blacks
can set up their own communities.   But we are talking about whites. 
Everybody but you clones knows damned well that there are plenty of laws
and bureaucrats to prevent just exactly that.
	You say you don't know that.  That sounds pretty damn stupid, but I
have yet to plumb the depths of clone naivete.





 In any case, you don't need exclusive
> territory to practice exclusive breeding.  There are
> certainly no laws commanding you to breed with persons not
> of your choice.
> 
> bwhit@conterra.com:
> |> |> |       I don't get drawn into this definitional sophism.  I
> |> |> |concentrate  on the admission behind it.
> |> |> |     You know exactly what the white race is.  You target it perfectly.
> 
> g*rd*n:
> |> |> It has yet to be demonstrated in this discussion that there
> |> |> is any particular definition of "the White race" which can
> |> |> be determined from physical facts.  It isn't sophistry to
> |> |> ask questions about such things before embarking on
> |> |> significant public policy changes -- which you do suggest,
> |> |> do you not?
> 
> bwhit@conterra.com:
> |       Your so-called questions have nothing  to do with the problem.
> |       Are you really that stupid?
> 
> The fact that you don't understand the relevance of a
> question to a problem doesn't necessarily mean it's the
> question that's stupid.


	Another clone, another repeat: you are welcome to the favorable opinion
of any idiot who thinks those questions are relevant.





> 
> bwhit@conterra.com:
> |> |     Then how do you manage to target it so perfectly?
> 
> g*rd*n:
> |> I suspect that like your idea of the White race, my
> |> "targeting" is almost entirely in your mind, with only a few
> |> hints from the outer world.  That way, it can be as perfect
> |> as you like.  Enjoy!
> 
> bwhit@conterra.com:
> |       You should know that one never hears one of you people deamdning
> |immigration or integration for coutnries which are not white majority.
> |       Are you really too stupid to notice that after it's pointed out?
> 
> I don't recall ever seeing anyone demand particular
> immigration policies for, say, Norway.  Not on the Net, or
> in the media.  The United States has been multi-ethnic and
> multi-racial from the beginning, and immigration isn't going
> to change that.  So again, you seem to be pointing out
> something in your own mind that doesn't correspond to
> anything in the outer world.

	If any country actually does decide to keep out nonwhite immigration,
you clones scream like wounded banshees.
	You clones persist in the illusion that everybody here has not heard
your Political
Correctness until they can recite in their sleep.  We have heard your
whole PC routine
hundreds of times at public expense.
	You still think you're some kind of mystery, and it takes a mind reader
to get
behind your words.
	Undeceive yourself.






> --
>    }"{    G*rd*n   }"{  gcf @ panix.com  }"{


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Drew Stowers wrote:
> 
> thebok@dreamon.com wrote:
> 
> >On 25 Nov 1996 01:59:14 GMT, Laura Finsten 
> >wrote:
> 
> >>It is all refuted at http://www.nizkor.org
> 
> > Excuse me Laura, but personal attacks and questions of personal
> >character are not a refutation. An example of this is the handling of
> >Fred Leutcher. As I read the "refutation" of the Leutcher Report, it
> >was immediately apparent that the forensic evidence was not on trial,
> >but Fred Leutcher himself. Just is the case with David Irving.
> 
> But Mr. Leutcher had lied about his credentials and his work
> experience.  For example he had never worked for any state as a
> consultant.  Yet he claimed he had.  If a man is willing to lie about
> who he is, what else will he lie about.
> 
> > As a self taught man in many areas of science, I earn a living by my
> >knowledge. I could have gone back to collage to complete my studies in
> >certain areas, but I have found that the methods and techniques of a
> >skill are often learned by trial and error. This is the one great
> >attack used against Mr. Irving and the 37 (?) books he has written ove
> >the last 20 years. Though I can produce press clippings and reviews
> >which praise his work, Nizkor bases its entire attack on David Irving
> >on the fact that he never got a degree in history.
> 
> In the praise of Mr. Irving you left out he lost a libel suit for one
> of his books.  As for a degree in history, I don't Nizkor going after
> William Shirer for not having a history degree.  (Shirer was a
> journalist.)
> 
> You also left out that Mr. Irving has appeared on a show called 'Race
> and Reason'.  Of course the host took down the Nazi flag before Mr.
> Irving went on.
> 
> > Basically, Nizkor has an agenda which is to slander those who they do
> >not agree with. One only need to attempt discussion with Nizi types
> >online to see that this "standard" of argumentative adhominem is a
> >consistant strain in all of Nizkor related posts and arguments.
> 
> As opposed to the Neo-Nazis calling everyone they don't agree with
> 'Jews' or 'Communists'.
> 
> > Generally, those who have encountered Nizkor are left with a similar
> >conviction. Nizkor is without respect and is nothing more than a front
> >for a Synagogue in Victoria, B.C..
> 
> Really?  I have had contact with Nizkor.  They were very polite and
> helpful.




	Of course they're nice to a fellow clone.   You were probably nicely
denouncing somebody to them.


From bwhit@conterra.com Tue Dec  3 07:37:06 PST 1996
Article: 37724 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Kathleen Mulhern wrote:
> 
> In article <57ip6q$7r0@is05.micron.net>, sbrian@micron.net (Brian Smith) wrote:
> 
> *Oh really?  Want to try to refute http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo
> *Evidence (John Ball), which shows that the so-called gas chambers were
> *not operating as claimed according to Standard Holocaust Mythology?
> *Or the material on http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on
> *the Holocaust, which  also gives the details on how revisionism has
> *been criminalized as a "thoughtcrime" in Europe, for which people are
> *being imprisoned for doubting the Sacred Holohoax?
> 
> I already have, in several of the blueprint notes I posted and the
> descriptions of how Zyklon B was first used to kill people and the kind of
> chambers used for such purposes (why Zyklon B was preferrable because it
> didn't require the typical ventilation of carbon monoxide chambers).  But
> of course, as you couldn't refute the evidence, you ignored it.
> 
> *Sure they don't, Mrs. Mulhern.  I noticed you didn't even address a
> *single one of them.
> 
> I have noticed you haven't address one of my posts refuting your
> ridiculous arguments that there were no gassings.  There were, I and many,
> many others have proved it time and time again, and you, time and time
> again, have ignored the posts.  Your fearful leader giwer even went so far
> as to say I was making the evidence up (to which I gave him the exact
> sources and where he could see for himself... information that he promptly
> ignored) because he knew it refuted the entire basis of your insane
> pukings on this and alt.revisionism.
> 
> *How about some substance in your posts for a change, Mrs. Mulhern?
> 
> How about answering to my posts that refuted your precious denial, herr
> smith?  Ooops... that would render your pathetic existence obsolete, now
> wouldn't it?  I feel so sorry for you.
> 
> --
> kate@accessone.com
> 
> "Phillip Morris Denies Cigarettes Are Cylindrical."
>           -Headline from "The Onion."


Speaking of deniers, you clones keep insisting there are not anti-speech
hate laws in Europe.


From bwhit@conterra.com Tue Dec  3 07:37:07 PST 1996
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Laura Finsten wrote:
> 
> mckinney@usaor.net (Ian McKinney) wrote:
> >In message  - kate@accessone.com (Kathleen
> > Mulhern) writes:
> >:>Like Edith Stein, for example.  Edith Stein was
> >:>born Jewish, converted to Catholocism, became a nun, was a brilliant
> >:>philosopher who combined the teachings of St. Thomas Aquinas, Aristotle
> >:>and Edmund Husserl into her own unique philosophy, and was promptly
> >:>rounded up by the nazis and gassed in Auscwitz in 1944 because she was
> >:>once Jewish.
> 
> >First, it makes no difference what religous convolutions someone born a Jew
> >may go through - they remain a Jew. Even the Jews say that.
> 
> Well, the Roman Catholic Church does the same thing, you know.  Once baptised
> a Catholic, always a Catholic.  And yet I know people who have converted to
> other faiths.  Does this just confuse the heck out of G*d, or what?
> 
> >Secondly, please provide proof that Edith Stein was "gassed."
> 
> Can you prove that she didn't die?  Can you prove that the six million
> missing Jews are hiding somewhere?



        And I can't name a single person who was jailed under the
Belgian Hate Law.
	That must prove there isn't one, right?




> 
> "If I can't dance.....I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>           Emma Goldman


From bwhit@conterra.com Tue Dec  3 07:37:08 PST 1996
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Laura Finsten wrote:
> 
> sbrian@micron.net (Brian Smith) wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
> >(Yawn).
> 
> This really is boring, isn't it.



	Jesus, Laura, you sure are.  Repating stuff we've all heard at public
expense so many times.
	Thank you for noticing it.  We'll be happy to forgive you if you'll
quit.




> 
> >I've already given at least 3 sources providing functional
> >definitions of the White race, sufficient for the purposes of
> >separating the races and preserving the White race.
> 
> So tell me, Bri, which of the "European races" Günther "identifies"
> and discusses qualify as "White"?  Or do all of them make the
> National Appliance cut?
> 
> [...]
> 
> "If I can't dance.....I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>           Emma Goldman


From bwhit@conterra.com Tue Dec  3 07:37:09 PST 1996
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Laura Finsten wrote:
> 
> "Richard A. Hernandez"  wrote:
> 
> >Philip Kasiecki  wrote in article
> ><57hq52$uha@chaos.dac.neu.edu>...
> >> In article <57cu37$h2n@informer1.cis.McMaster.CA>,
> >> Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) wrote:
> 
> >> : Is that how the world shakes down for you, Richard?  Communists and
> >> : racists?  Cute.  Sure simplifies matters, doesn't it.
> 
> >Well Philip, Perhaps if you had had family members murdered by Communists
> >(like maybe your little brother or sister ) you'd understand my apprehension
> >when I hear the same sweet talking bullsh*t coming from little know-nothings
> >like you.
> 
> The question you appear to be "responding" to is mine, not Phil's.  And you
> really have not answered it.  Do you see no alternatives to the choices
> "communist" and "racist", Richard?  Do you genuinely believe that if one
> is not racist, one must necessarily then be a communist?
> 
> One might also note that people who have had family killed by racist
> regimes tend also feel some apprehension when racist political agendas
> like yours crop up.  


	Another clone, another repeat: the old everybody who disagrees is A
Nazi Who Wants To Kill Six Million Jews.
	You know, but as a good academic bureaucrat you never mention, that
every death in this century that can be assigned to Nazis, a substantial
number were causded by people in the name of your precious Universal
Ideas.  Love, Brotherhood and Peace under Stalin and Mao made Hitler a
piker.
	But, of course, one doesn't get paid for pointing that out, does one?


Some perhaps you can grasp my apprehension when I
> hear the same sweet talking racist crap coming from bigots like you
> who dress their racism up in the "rational" language of a war against
> communism.  Great straw man, Richard, but not everybody is dumb enough
> to fall for that worn out canard.
> 
> [...]
> 
> >As for your infantile arguments ie: " Race does not exist " etc. Despite
> >your pretentious sig., you are a nobody! You offer no scholorship, quote no
> >scientific studies to support your hypothesis ( therefore relegating it to
> >the realm of OPINION! )

> Take a look at L.L. Cavalli-Sforza et al. 1994 "The History and Geography
> of Human Genes", Princeton University Press. Chapter 1.  If you can't find
> that in your local library, let me know and I'll provide you with references
> for as many human biology texts as you would like.


	Another clone, another repeat: can you actually say with a straight
face that any book that did not agree with Politically Correct Orthodoxy
on race would be called correct by you academic bureaucrats who call
yourself anthropologists?


> 
> [...]
> 
> "If I can't dance.....I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>           Emma Goldman


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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Subject: Re: blood sucking BRIAN SMITH and BOB WHITAKER
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Laura Finsten wrote:
> 
> fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu (Fragano Ledgister) wrote:
> >Brian Smith (sbrian@micron.net) wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
> >: Right.  As if you "not feeling engulfed" in any way refutes that
> >: Whites as a race are being rapidly dissolved.
> 
> >Be so kind as to explain what this means?
> 
> Allow me, Fragano.  See, the "White race" are like snowpersons in
> the spring.  They're just melting away into a puddle of ZOG-rayed
> sperm that has zero reproductive value.
> 
> That clear things up?


	The bottom line in all this crap is that these PC's are stating that no
one is concerned about third world immigration.
	Oh, yes, that clears things up all right.
	I used to think this was some kind of gambit, that the clones were just
acting sturpid to stonewall me.  But I underestimated their
brain-washing.  They are not acting.
	Another clone just said that if we wanted to set up an all-white
community in the US, we were free to do it.  Now that is not PLAYING
ignorant!



 
> "If I can't dance..... I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>      Emma Goldman


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HENRY E. KILPATRICK JR. wrote:
> 
> Rad (gconrad@sprynet.com) wrote:
> : Smurfette  wrote
> : > > So what happened to your big deal new sig?
> 
> : Oops, I keep for getting to ad it. Sorry. It is good.
> 
> : --
> : Rad
> :
> : Without the 2nd Amendment, the other amendments are just suggestions.
> 
> It ain't much.  But you ain't much either, pissant.
> 
> --
> Buddy K


	Good old clone Kilpatrick: it's not PC, so it's awful
	Wouldn't you be disappointed if the PC clones didn't say that in
chorus?


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Allan Matthews wrote:
> 
> In article <329DB0A7.7434@conterra.com>, bwhit@conterra.com wrote:
> >        My best stuff goes out quick, because it's ignored by the clones, and
> >nobody on my side keeps it going.
> 
> ROTFL!!  Your high opinion of yourself, Booby, is truly hilarious.
> 
> Oh, BTW, as for the "clones" never responding to your "best" material
> (whatever the hell that could possibly be), please repost it so we can all
> respond to it.  Just try leaving out your over-used vocabulary of insults.
> 
> And while you're at it, Booby, maybe you could answer these questions I keep
> asking you but that you never seem to answer...
> 
> 1.  You're on record as saying whites and blacks should not go to the same
> schools - why not?
> 
> 2.  You're on record as saying whites and blacks should not live in the same
> "towns" (a term you don't define clearly) - why not?
> 
> 3.  You're on record as saying whites and blacks should not marry each other -
> why not?
> 
> And, just for added laughs, I'll give you a new one to come clean on clone.
> 
> 4.  Just where do asians fit into your above racial guidelines?
> 
> allan
> 
> =================================================
>             amatthews@cybercom.net
> =================================================
> A monk asked Un Mun, "What is Buddha?"
> Un Mun replied, "Dry shit on a stick."
> =================================================
> http://www.cybercom.net/~amatthews/amatthews.html
> =================================================



	I take it you want to get of fhte subject of your fellow PC bragging
about strafing civilians.


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Philip Deitiker wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> 
> >CSKBB@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU wrote:
> >>
> >> I have come to the conclusion that it is pointless to argue with either
> >> Bobby Whitaker or Brian Smith.  Neither one has any intention of answering
> >> any questions seriously.  They simply label anyone who disagrees with the
> >> race traitors (Smith) or PC clones (Whitaker) and refuse to address their
> >> real points.  Hardly surprising, but sad.  They realize that their
> >> disgusting ideology can't survive the light of real debate, so they hide
> >> under the rocks of half-truths and lies.  Rather pitiful.
> >>
> >> But still, I'll try one more time.
> >>
> >> The idea of race.  What is this thing race you speak of?  Is it skin tone?
> >> But didn't the human race originate in Africa, and its only the movement to
> >> northern sun-starved climates that turned some of us (like me) pale.  What
> >> does that skin color adaptation have to do with making pale people better/
> >> smarter, whatever, than everyone else.  And how do you explain Indians
> >> (in India) who have caucasoid features but skin ranging from light to very
> >> dark brown?
> 
> >       Standard clone statement I've answered many, many times.  I will repeat
> >the same reply for you as for the other clones, and I'll keep repeating
> >until  you hear me.
> >       You clones say the white race does not exist,
> 
> I don't think you've been paying attention, bob. The white race does
> exist, in escense its core is synonomous with indo-europeans; however,
> if you use this as a standard bearer for races in the world there are
> then > 30 other races. From a cultural point of view race is certainly
> being used to catagorize people... So, yes, the white race does exist.
> The question orignially was, if I remember correctly, is what was the
> biological significance of race (or what proof that race is
> biologically insiginificant).  What others and I have been trying to
> tell you is that one cannot easily superimpose 'race' based genetic
> with molecular genetic classification. The current race classification
> is _highly_ deficient as a genetic classification system.
> 
> >but only when that can be
> >used against the white race.  For your insults and attacks and demands
> >for reparations, the white race definitely exist.   You arguments for
> >genocide against whites are two: 1) the white race does not exist and 2)
> >the whtie race deserves it.
> 
>    There is no global genocide against the 'white' race. The white
> race has prospered unmatched over the last 4000 years. From a regional
> population on the black sea to the propogation of colonies all across
> europe the america's. Relative to other world populations,
> indoeuropean genetic contribution has undoubtedly increased over this
> period. Consider that in the americas indoeuropean genes are probably
> at the level of 50%, in europe (outside of the steppes)  australia,
> new zealand, etc the contribution is probably closer to 90%. There are
> lesser contributions in africa and asia.  If I had to guess I would
> say that IE gene freqeuncies were at the level of 5% 4 KYBP. Now they
> are probably on the order of 30%. a six fold relative increase
> compared to most other world populations.
> 
> >       When it comes to your program, the white race exists, for sure.  You
> >demand massive third world immigration into EVERY white majority
> >country, and ONLY into white majority countries.  Quite a coincidence
> >for anyone wo insists he doesn't know what white is.
> 
	You did a lot oftalking before you got to the PC clone aprt.









Who is demanding  immigration. You're a real ding-dong, you know that.



	You clones persist in the illusion that everybody here has not heard
your Political Correctness until they can recite in their sleep.  We
have heard your whole PC routine hundreds of times at public expense.
	You still think you're some kind of mystery, and it takes a mind reader
to get
behind your words.
	Undeceive yourself.









> During the post columbian period, europeans managed to settle,
> colonize and frequently displace all kinds of endemic populations
> world wide, with very little dilution of the population in europe. If
> we are to go buy you're thoughts I think we can do the following...
> Take all non-dravidian poeples in india and drive them back to the
> black sea. Take all non-native (or IE origin) americas, autstralians,
> africans and send them back to  europe. Then almost all europeans and
> move them back to the ukraine. Not to mention a good portion of
> persian, pakistani, afganistan, etc.


	This is a cutesy way to say we're actually talking about "all races"
here.

Another clone, another repeat:

		As I explain to each of you clones in turn, my problem with your
so-called "mixing" is that you are only interested in doing it in white
majority countries.  You demand massive third world immigration into
EVERY white majority country, and ONLY into white majority countries. 
You demand your so-called "race" mixing, which is actually only *white*
mixing, and you use public moneyt for busing and "low-cost"(black)
housing to chase down any white excapees.
	Your so-called solution to the race problem is always only the final
solution to the white problem. 
	Don't worry, I'll keep repeating this until each and every one of you
clones has
heard it.




 Hey, I like this solution, sounds
> good me. Since the basque are the only notable remant of pre-IE europe
> they undoubtably would  inherit all of europe excepting the ukraine.
> The rest wouild belong to the sicilians, and what's left of the
> ancient iberian populations. Hey, bob, how do you like the Ukraine?
> That's the safe way, you know, the IE population would be so
> condensed, so concentrated and isolated there would be little chance
> for immigration (i.e. inihibition via extreme overpopulation
> pressure).
> 
> >       You demand integration in every single white majority country, and only
> >in white majority countries, complete with racial busing to chase down
> >escapee white children and tax-paid black "low cost" housing to chase
> >down escaping families.
> 
> I don't think this was the original issue, the issue was: what are the
> race deniers denying? The core of this issue revolves around persons
> of mixt origin. According to legal classification in the US a person
> of 1/2 european 1/2 african is classified as black; however,
> considering that the that race best used is a social classification,
> then I think that the legal definition is incorrect. Secondarily, the
> mixing problem has preceded formal intregration by several hundred
> years. The only difference is that 100 years ago if a person was of
> mixed origin they might conceal that fact if possible to fit in the
> community which was most suitible to that person. In the 1990's its
> acceptible to call oneself a 'halfbreed' (or other more PC terms) and
> not have to really try to fit into one of three or more established
> catagories, these poeple aren't denying anything they are making a
> statement about who they are. Before there was such a thing as
> political correctness there are communities around this world that
> have face the issue of outbreeding and frequently this results in new
> nations of peoples, other times allignment with the prevelant culture.
> 
> These people are not trying to be political correct, they are trying
> say something about the ionappropriateness of the cultural
> classification sytem as it applies to them.
>    I can give an example: Suppose that a black man and a white woman
> produce offspring, then at some later point the father leaves or has
> minimal contribution to that family. Or supposed that the father is
> isolated with his family in the white community and adapts 'white'
> culture. The offspring of this person would be:
> 
> genetically:   given that mosts african americans have some white
> contribution and the genetics of the mother, mostly of white origin.
> 
> culturally:    being isolated from other africna americans the
> children would accept 'white' traditions, thus culturally they would
> be 'white'
> 
> legally:  BLACK (african american). Even after 4 more generations of
> marriages with white individuals these filial would be legally
> considered black.
> 
> I don't know about you but if I were one of these children I would
> certainly scratch my head on this one.  I don't think they are denying
> anything accept the inappropriatness of the laws they are forced to
> obey.
> 
>    To add to this what if one is australo arborogine. You're not
> african, your'e not asian in its common since, and you're not 'white'.
> What if you're from the middle east? most are mixtures of all three
> 'races'  What race is this?  Semite? What about native south
> americans, they are derived from asian, but originate from regions
> atypical of most asians, and problably have a significant caucasion
> contribution. What race are they?
> 
> >       Standard Politically Correct crap.   As I have explained to each clone
> >in turn, I think the problem with Jews has nothing to do with any
> >conspiracy.  I think Judaism has become a culture based entirely on
> >self-pity.
> 
> A highly tenacious culture, with probably the greatest per person
> contribution to the modern period, and with the longest and most well
> documented history of any extant group. Without Jewry, this world
> would probably look alot different from what it does now, and bob, the
> whites have certainly benifited both genetically (their contribution
> to facilitating european global colonization)  and socially from the
> contribution of Jews, so if I were you I'de keep this one under the
> rug. Whites without jews would probably equal a conquered instead of a
> conquering 'race'. With all these attempts of folks 'like' yourself to
> denegrade them, their success as a group is certainly more worthy of
> the anal-ly  derived characterisitics you give them.
> 
> >  The mostly Eastern European Jews who came over after the
> >Civil War brought all their old hates and revenge feeling with them.   I
> >certainly have no trouble with the ideas of Judah P. Benjamin,
> >Confederate Secretary of the Treasury, or the father of Barnard Baruch,
> >who was Deputy head of the Confederate Medical Corps, or his Jewish
> >boss.
> >       As I have said to each clone, and wil have to say to each new one, it
> >is that your idea that Jews can have been mistreated throughout the ages
> >and have no grudges at all in return is nuts.   Your idea that this
> >revengeful attitude in what is now the official "I am Jewish, so..."
> >attitude in America simply does not exist is post-World War II
> >orthodoxy, but it is the swing of the same pendulum Hitler was part of.
> >       I think Jews are people, with the nastiness and hatred left in.
> >Anti-semites think Jews are devils, you think Jews are angels.
> 
> I think you'll find in every group persons whose thresholds of
> integrity are lower than others. Noone here has said that Jews are
> angels, certainly the palestinians and mediterranean syrians don't
> feel that way.
>    But also getting to thresholds of maturity and integrity, I find
> much more embarrasing about the attitudes of  white race and its
> history of transgression against other peoples than I have found with
> Jewry. You know, Jews accept very distantly related individuals who
> have been genetically separated from ashkanazi and sephardic
> populations for greater than 2500 years. This includes folks of
> principally asian and african genetics. I wish 'white' society could
> have the same mature attitude about assimilating people with like
> minds rather than for skin color.
> 
> As far as current festering attitudes are concerned, your a perfect
> example of what's wrong with 'our' race.
> 
> Philip
> 
> P.S. Can we move this lineage of masculinized bovine feces out of
> sci.anthropology, I note there are many people complaining about this,
> and while the opinions voiced here might be excellent material for
> social anthropology discussion (why, even in modern times, people feel
> insecure without the security blanket of affirmed inheritance?), the
> topics themselves are really just taking up excessive space.


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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Subject: Re: What Are the Race Deniers Denying?
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CSKBB@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU wrote:
> 
> To Frank Forman:
> 
> Read your reply (sorry I'm not quoting it, but my newsreader is for the dogs).
> I'm confused.  You ask for my take on race, and then offer much commentary
> but little content.  What exactly are YOUR views on race?  The distilation
> of your remarks seems to be: 1-Cultural groupings are important & 2-I don't
> want to see the world get too bland.  Is this all?  I also wouldn't be fond
> of a bland world (it's so boring), but I'm not really worried about it.
> We've been mingling and seperating culturally/genetically for many a year,
> and I believe we'll go on doing so.  But opposing racism I
 am not saying
> people should not be different, but rather that they should not force
> racial world-view down the throats of others.
> 
> So Frank: What are your views on race, the National Alliance,
> anti-semitism, and other issues of the moment?
> 
> Carl Skutsch
> cskbb@cunyvm.cuny.edu




	Here we go with the old "the races" and "diversity" crap again.
	As I explain to each of you clones in turn, my problem with your
so-called "mixing" is that you are only interested in doing it in white
majority countries.  You demand massive third world immigration into
EVERY white majority country, and ONLY into white majority countries. 
You demand your so-called "race" mixing, which is  actually only *white*
mixing, and you use public money for busing and "low-cost"(black)
housing to chase down any white escapees.
	Your so-called solution to the race problem is always only the final
solution to the white problem. 
	Don't worry, I'll keep repeating this until each and every one of you
clones has
heard it.


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dckom wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 02 Dec 1996 13:31:12 -0500 c.e., Bob Whitaker 
> wrote :
> 
> >
> >       Do you expect some more pats on the head for being a turncoat
> >Southerner?
> >       For thousand of years, Inquisitors have said that heresy should be
> >treated as a disease.
> 
> Actually, Bobbie, one of the cool things about being a red-neck is, that as
> long as I love my momma, and say nice things about Elvis, I can say, and do
> about any damn fool thing I like. Remind me, sometime, to explain my theory
> about the rockabilly cats being the original race traitors.
> 
>         David Christian
>         Race Traitor
> 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>         "If I stand, will you stand with me?"
> 
>             Angelic Upstarts


	No, not a redneck.  That is the word you libs use for any white man
with balls.
	Trash, I'd say.


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ttmitchell wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> 
> >> Try responding to the meaning of my post, i.e. blacks are no more savage
> >> or brutal than white, taken as groups. I guess that's just not in keeping
> >> with your predjudiced viewpoint. Whites (individuals) are assualting and
> >> killing people everyday. Why? Some how it's never taken as an indictment
> >> of a whole people. That's because of something called racism, where a
> >> whole group is blamed/judged on the basis of the actions of some.
> 
> >       What in heaven's name are you talking about?  You anti-white PC's are
> >ALWAYS indicting the entire white race.
> 
> Oh, you mean like you anti-black bigots are ALWAYS indicting the
> entire black race?
> --
> Mitch


	You PC's are always really, actually indicting hte black race.  I don't
indict the black race.
	Merely facts, but the people I am talking to find them important.


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Subject: Re: Modern Segregation?  (was: Re: AA limits real discrimination.)
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Koro wrote:
> 
> On 27 Nov 1996 00:38:42 GMT, trifec@aol.com wrote:
> 
> > AA IS discrimination.
> 
> I have a question, related to this whole mess.  Is the seperation of
> men's and women's restrooms/locker rooms segregation?  It's the same
> damned thing as segregation bassed on race, is it not?  Will the world
> be hearing pleas for equal rights again over this issue?


	The reason you will not get a reply on this is that no one has given
the Politically Correct clones their marching orders on this issue
yet.   The second it is decided to push for restroom integration of the
sexes, all the Independent Thinkers will instantly decide they have been
conversted to it and fight for it.
	Anyone who opposes it will be A Nazi Who Wants To Kill Six Million
Jews.
	The clone routine never varies.
	Which, of course, is why they're clones.


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ttmitchell wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> 
> >Eugene Holman wrote:
> >>
> >> Jim Walsh posted that:
> >>
> >> > In 1995, the EU countries had 290,000 more births than deaths (a
> >> > positive rate, albeit a low one). And where are the birth rates increasing?
> >> > Scandanavia. Italians and Spaniards have the fewest babies of EU countries.
> >> > Now, let me ask you, "What is the definition of 'white'"? Do you
> >> > agree that white" birth rates are zero or negative?
> >>
> >> To which Bob Whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) posted:
> >>
> >> > I understand that some 25% of the births in France are to resident
> >> > Arabs.  That should make you very happy.
> >>
> >> To which we, Eugene the Curly-headed, King of alt.politics.white-power,
> >> etc., responded:
> >>
> >> > But, by your three-race model of the universe most Arabs are Caucasians,
> >> > thus white, thus you should be rejoicing in this fact. Or is it that
> >> > people like Sadam Hussein, Ghaddafi, Arafat, King Hussein, Hosni Mubarak
> >> > are white but not White, or belong to some other race defined by their
> >> > language or religion? You can't have it both ways."
> >>
> >> To which Bob Whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) declared categorically:
> >>
> >> > They are certainly not white.  They are the ugly mixes you want
> >> > everybody in white majority countries to be."
> >>
> >> To which we, Eugene the Curly-headed, King of alt.politics.white-power,
> >> etc., do now respond:
> >>
> >> Well, they sure as hell ain't Blacks or Orientals. The traditional
> >> three-race model (white, black, yellow) of the universe has the Semites,
> >> those pioneers in the building of ancient civilizations and cultures,
> >> firmly in there with the whites. The early achievements of the Semitic
> >> peoples such as the invention of the alphabet, the development of urban
> >> civilizations, and monotheism, are central elements in claims of the
> >> intellectual superiority of the white race. Since there are millions of
> >> Americans of Algerian, Tunesian, Libyan, Moroccan, Palestinian, Lebanese,
> >> Egyptian, Syrian, Saudi, Yemeni and Iraqi ancestry, and almost all of
> >> these folks are regarded as 'white' in US government census reports,
> >> affirmative action programs, etc., is the fact that you personally find
> >> them esthetically offensive (= "ugly mixes"), as opposed to your own racial
> >> cocktail (presumably an "attractive mix") your sole criterion for
> >> excluding them from your personally defined "white race"?
> >>
> >> We have spoken.
> >>
> >> Eugene the Curly-headed
> >> King of alt.politics.white-power, Protector of our Aryan heritage,
> >> Defender of the English language, Scourge of racial purity, etc. etc. etc.
> 
> >       One of the standard statements I hear from you PC's is "looks don't
> >matter".  This is because major objections to your dream of a brown soup
> >in all presently white-majority countries is that the resulting
> >popualtion is so ugly.
> 
> Let's see; Victoria Rowell, Halle Berry, Rae Dawn Chong... ugly?
> 
> >       A random combination of races is, like most random combinations,
> >unnatural looking and ugly.   Before you give me the "eye of the
> >beholder" crap, remember that it passed almost without notice that
> >BayWatch, with its solid Nordic cast, is the most popular TV show on
> >earth, and just exploded into popularity.
> 
> Do you mean the same Baywatch which has finally added a black female
> character?

	That is exactly my point!   They hit the big time fast because they
were all Nordic, so now they're forced to take on a black.  Do you deny
either proposition?





> 
> >       Brazilians and North Africans are UGLY.  So, when you PC's see this
> >obvious ugliness, you start raving about how beautiful they are.
> 
> Brazilians are ugly?  You've never seen one of those "Carnival"
> movies, have you?
> 
> By the way, how did you end up on soc.culture.african.american?  You
> must be getting the heebie-jeebies by now!

	What about?  Do blacks think mixed bloods are lovely?
	Not friggin' likely!




> --
> Mitch


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ttmitchell wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> 
> >ttmitchell wrote:
> >>
> >> aaron.evans@mail.utexas.edu (Aaron Evans) wrote:
> >>
> >> >If you want a real reason to explain the crime linked to poverty, look
> >> >at the war on drugs which has given the gangs the profits needed to
> >> >buy assault rifles and the reasons to use them (i.e. turf fighting).
> >>
> >> And if someone is going to answer questions, let's find out how the
> >> stuff is getting into that community in the first place, since we know
> >> black people aren't flying it into the country.
> >> --
> >> Mitch
> 
> >       Question: Why are blacks killing and assaulting people very day?
> >       Mitch's answer: they have a right to.
> 
> Read all that from that little bit I wrote, eh?




	You clones persist in the illusion that everybody here has not heard
your Political Correctness until they can recite in their sleep.  We
have heard your whole PC routine hundreds of times at public expense.
	You still think you're some kind of mystery, and it takes a mind reader
to get
behind your words.
	Undeceive yourself.



	








  How'd you do on your
> SAT's?
> --
> Mitch


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ttmitchell wrote:
> 
> pk@commune.org (P. Kropotkin) wrote:
> 
> >In article <329A80B7.4908@conterra.com>, bwhit@conterra.com wrote:
> 
> >> P. Kropotkin wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Since blacks are collectively to blame for the criminal misdeeds of other
> >> > blacks, I guess many blacks are of course correect in assigning collective
> >> > blame to the Euro-americans for the misdeeds of individual whites. Whites
> >> > must be collectively to blame every time some gunman goes "postal" (i.e.
> >> > in TN recently), evryt crime committed historically by "whites": Slavery,
> >> > conquest of native lands, the crimes in the "wild west", J. Dahmer, Stark,
> >> > Bundy, all "white" people, therefore "proving" the collective brutality
> >> > and savagery fof the white race.
> >>
> >>
> >>         Question, why are blacks killing and assaulting people every day?
> >> Kropotkibn's anser: they have a right to.
> >Try responding to the meaning of my post, i.e. blacks are no more savage
> >or brutal than white, taken as groups. I guess that's just not in keeping
> >with your predjudiced viewpoint. Whites (individuals) are assualting and
> >killing people everyday. Why? Some how it's never taken as an indictment
> >of a whole people. That's because of something called racism, where a
> >whole group is blamed/judged on the basis of the actions of some.
> 
> Not only that, but if we're going to be accurate the question might
> well be asked why they may be doing it NOW, since whites are
> responsible for the genocide of more peoples in the history of the
> world than any black group could ever claim.




	This is the standard PC line, to justify their demanding massive third
world immigration and integration for EVERY white majority country, and
ONLY for white majority countries. Asia is to remain Asian, Africa
African, and all white majority countries are to turn into a brown soup.
	The only way PC's can justify this obvious genocide is to say that 1)
the white race does not exist and 2) the white race deserves it.  You
will see both on today's newsgroup.  Here we have the  "kill whitey
because he deserves it" bit.








> --
> Mitch


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bankcot wrote:
> 
> ttmitchell wrote:
> >
> > pk@commune.org (P. Kropotkin) wrote:
> >
> > >In article <329A80B7.4908@conterra.com>, bwhit@conterra.com wrote:
> >
> > >> P. Kropotkin wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > Since blacks are collectively to blame for the criminal misdeeds of other
> > >> > blacks, I guess many blacks are of course correect in assigning collective
> > >> > blame to the Euro-americans for the misdeeds of individual whites. Whites
> > >> > must be collectively to blame every time some gunman goes "postal" (i.e.
> > >> > in TN recently), evryt crime committed historically by "whites": Slavery,
> > >> > conquest of native lands, the crimes in the "wild west", J. Dahmer, Stark,
> > >> > Bundy, all "white" people, therefore "proving" the collective brutality
> > >> > and savagery fof the white race.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>         Question, why are blacks killing and assaulting people every day?
> > >> Kropotkibn's anser: they have a right to.
> > >Try responding to the meaning of my post, i.e. blacks are no more savage
> > >or brutal than white, taken as groups. I guess that's just not in keeping
> > >with your predjudiced viewpoint. Whites (individuals) are assualting and
> > >killing people everyday. Why? Some how it's never taken as an indictment
> > >of a whole people. That's because of something called racism, where a
> > >whole group is blamed/judged on the basis of the actions of some.
> >
> > Not only that, but if we're going to be accurate the question might
> > well be asked why they may be doing it NOW, since whites are
> > responsible for the genocide of more peoples in the history of the
> > world than any black group could ever claim.



Another clone, another repeat:
        Question, why are blacks killing and assaulting people every
day?
Kropotkibn's answer: they have a right to.




> > --
> > Mitch
> 
> ditto
> see
> www.afronet.com
> alicia banks
> 
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> 
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ttmitchell wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> 
> >> >       One of the standard statements I hear from you PC's is "looks don't
> >> >matter".  This is because major objections to your dream of a brown soup
> >> >in all presently white-majority countries is that the resulting
> >> >popualtion is so ugly.
> >>
> >> Let's see; Victoria Rowell, Halle Berry, Rae Dawn Chong... ugly?
> 
> I notice you didn't answer this one; cat got your tongue?
> >>
> >> >       A random combination of races is, like most random combinations,
> >> >unnatural looking and ugly.   Before you give me the "eye of the
> >> >beholder" crap, remember that it passed almost without notice that
> >> >BayWatch, with its solid Nordic cast, is the most popular TV show on
> >> >earth, and just exploded into popularity.
> >>
> >> Do you mean the same Baywatch which has finally added a black female
> >> character?
> 
> >       That is exactly my point!   They hit the big time fast because they
> >were all Nordic, so now they're forced to take on a black.  Do you deny
> >either proposition?
> 
> Forced?  I doubt it; they finally came to the realization that not
> everyone who goes to the beach is white, I suppose.  I've never seen
> the show, but I saw the woman on some talk show.  And I'll deny your
> proposition because I believe the show hit it big because of the
> attributes of the women, so to speak, and not because they were
> "Nordic".  I believe whatever this new ladies name is that she will
> keep the show as large worldwide as its ever been because she's
> lovely, shapely, and the rest of the world has always been more
> forthcoming with its praise of a lovely black woman than the United
> States has.


Same old deal: You are welcome to anybody who can believe this wasn't
Political Correctness in ation.   They're hopeless anyway.





> 
> >> >       Brazilians and North Africans are UGLY.  So, when you PC's see this
> >> >obvious ugliness, you start raving about how beautiful they are.
> >>
> >> Brazilians are ugly?  You've never seen one of those "Carnival"
> >> movies, have you?
> >>
> >> By the way, how did you end up on soc.culture.african.american?  You
> >> must be getting the heebie-jeebies by now!
> 
> >       What about?  Do blacks think mixed bloods are lovely?
> >       Not friggin' likely!
> 
> Some blacks do, some don't.  Are all blacks supposed to think the
> same?  One thing is for sure, blacks on a whole are more accepting of
> mixed race people than whites are because blacks realize that most of
> us in America have the strong possibility of being of mixed heritage
> ourselves, and we come in so many colors.  You can't handle that
> concept, can you?


	If I had a whole continent like Africa made up of people of my race, I
could be as agreebale as you are.  But people don't want to go to
Africa.  Non-blacks are getting out.  "Africa for the Africans" is the
Politically Correct call.
	Of course you love it.  Your race is safe, and you get to brown out the
race you hate.
	I can handle what you're saying.   It's the official PC line.
	It is true that I "can't handle it" in the sense that Jews couldn't
"handle" what Hitler said.





> 
> --
> Mitch


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ttmitchell wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> 
> >ttmitchell wrote:
> >>
> >> pk@commune.org (P. Kropotkin) wrote:
> >>
> >> >In article <329A80B7.4908@conterra.com>, bwhit@conterra.com wrote:
> >>
> >> >> P. Kropotkin wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Since blacks are collectively to blame for the criminal misdeeds of other
> >> >> > blacks, I guess many blacks are of course correect in assigning collective
> >> >> > blame to the Euro-americans for the misdeeds of individual whites. Whites
> >> >> > must be collectively to blame every time some gunman goes "postal" (i.e.
> >> >> > in TN recently), evryt crime committed historically by "whites": Slavery,
> >> >> > conquest of native lands, the crimes in the "wild west", J. Dahmer, Stark,
> >> >> > Bundy, all "white" people, therefore "proving" the collective brutality
> >> >> > and savagery fof the white race.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>         Question, why are blacks killing and assaulting people every day?
> >> >> Kropotkibn's anser: they have a right to.
> >> >Try responding to the meaning of my post, i.e. blacks are no more savage
> >> >or brutal than white, taken as groups. I guess that's just not in keeping
> >> >with your predjudiced viewpoint. Whites (individuals) are assualting and
> >> >killing people everyday. Why? Some how it's never taken as an indictment
> >> >of a whole people. That's because of something called racism, where a
> >> >whole group is blamed/judged on the basis of the actions of some.
> >>
> >> Not only that, but if we're going to be accurate the question might
> >> well be asked why they may be doing it NOW, since whites are
> >> responsible for the genocide of more peoples in the history of the
> >> world than any black group could ever claim.
> 
> >       This is the standard PC line, to justify their demanding massive third
> >world immigration and integration for EVERY white majority country, and
> >ONLY for white majority countries. Asia is to remain Asian, Africa
> >African, and all white majority countries are to turn into a brown soup.
> 
> I notice you don't deny the truth, however.  Just own up to being
> genocidal and murderous and we'll leave you alone.  And, for your own
> edification, this country was not a majority white country when it
> started (another genocide committed by yours), and it's not actually a
> majority white country now if you take all the minorities and put them
> together, so your argument is pure fallacy.  Maybe you need to go back
> to wherever you originated from to find your ideal country.  And what
> is this brown soup thing you keep bringing into play?  Whites raped
> black women for two centuries then denied their progeny, and now
> you're crying over the fact; get over it, own up to it, and move on.
> Pandora's Box is open, and the "evil" wasn't so bad after all.


	You are justifying your program of genocide against whites.  Well, at
least you're honest enough to admit that's your intention, unlike the
other PC clones.
	You hate whitey and you say so.





> 
> >       The only way PC's can justify this obvious genocide is to say that 1)
> >the white race does not exist and 2) the white race deserves it.  You
> >will see both on today's newsgroup.  Here we have the  "kill whitey
> >because he deserves it" bit.
> 
>     Where did you extrapolate this from?  Oh, I see, you're talking to
> other whites here.  That's okay; not only don't we call you whitey
> anymore, but we're not out to kill anybody.  You'll end up destroying
> the world and everyone else in it before long, because it's your
> destiny.  Then you won't have all minorities to keep blaming for your
> own wretchedness anymore.
> 
>     By the way, this isn't against all whites in the world, just those
> who think like you do, and unfortunately, there's more than we know
> about.
> 
> >> --
> >> Mitch
> 
> --
> Mitch


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ttmitchell wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> 
> >ttmitchell wrote:
> >>
> >> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> >>
> >> >ttmitchell wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> aaron.evans@mail.utexas.edu (Aaron Evans) wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >If you want a real reason to explain the crime linked to poverty, look
> >> >> >at the war on drugs which has given the gangs the profits needed to
> >> >> >buy assault rifles and the reasons to use them (i.e. turf fighting).
> >> >>
> >> >> And if someone is going to answer questions, let's find out how the
> >> >> stuff is getting into that community in the first place, since we know
> >> >> black people aren't flying it into the country.
> >> >> --
> >> >> Mitch
> >>
> >> >       Question: Why are blacks killing and assaulting people very day?
> >> >       Mitch's answer: they have a right to.
> >>
> >> Read all that from that little bit I wrote, eh?
> 
> >       You clones persist in the illusion that everybody here has not heard
> >your Political Correctness until they can recite in their sleep.  We
> >have heard your whole PC routine hundreds of times at public expense.
> >       You still think you're some kind of mystery, and it takes a mind reader
> >to get
> >behind your words.
> >       Undeceive yourself.
> 
> I see; you don't sleep much, do you?  I apologize for your lethargy;
> it must be hard to understand the written word,







 so you've had to make
> up your own meanings to what's written.





Once again:
	You clones persist in the illusion that everybody here has not heard
your Political Correctness until they can recite in their sleep.  We
have heard your whole PC routine hundreds of times at public expense.
	You still think you're some kind of mystery, and it takes a mind reader
to get
behind your words.
	Undeceive yourself.











  Tsk tsk, too bad.
> 
> >
> 
> >  How'd you do on your
> >> SAT's?
> >> --
> >> Mitch
> 
> --
> Mitch


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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Subject: Re: Whitaker offers esthetic definition of 'white'
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ttmitchell wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> 
> >ttmitchell wrote:
> >>
> >> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> >>
> >> >> >       One of the standard statements I hear from you PC's is "looks don't
> >> >> >matter".  This is because major objections to your dream of a brown soup
> >> >> >in all presently white-majority countries is that the resulting
> >> >> >popualtion is so ugly.
> >> >>
> >> >> Let's see; Victoria Rowell, Halle Berry, Rae Dawn Chong... ugly?
> >>
> >> I notice you didn't answer this one; cat got your tongue?
> 
> I'm going to keep posting this part until you try to tell people that
> these three are ugly women.  Come on, show us what we already know
> about you.
> 
> >> >> >       A random combination of races is, like most random combinations,
> >> >> >unnatural looking and ugly.   Before you give me the "eye of the
> >> >> >beholder" crap, remember that it passed almost without notice that
> >> >> >BayWatch, with its solid Nordic cast, is the most popular TV show on
> >> >> >earth, and just exploded into popularity.
> >> >>
> >> >> Do you mean the same Baywatch which has finally added a black female
> >> >> character?
> >>
> >> >       That is exactly my point!   They hit the big time fast because they
> >> >were all Nordic, so now they're forced to take on a black.  Do you deny
> >> >either proposition?
> >>
> >> Forced?  I doubt it; they finally came to the realization that not
> >> everyone who goes to the beach is white, I suppose.  I've never seen
> >> the show, but I saw the woman on some talk show.  And I'll deny your
> >> proposition because I believe the show hit it big because of the
> >> attributes of the women, so to speak, and not because they were
> >> "Nordic".  I believe whatever this new ladies name is that she will
> >> keep the show as large worldwide as its ever been because she's
> >> lovely, shapely, and the rest of the world has always been more
> >> forthcoming with its praise of a lovely black woman than the United
> >> States has.
> 
> >Same old deal: You are welcome to anybody who can believe this wasn't
> >Political Correctness in ation.   They're hopeless anyway.
> 
> Do you see conspiracies everywhere?  How do you sleep at night?
> 
> >> >> >       Brazilians and North Africans are UGLY.  So, when you PC's see this
> >> >> >obvious ugliness, you start raving about how beautiful they are.
> >> >>
> >> >> Brazilians are ugly?  You've never seen one of those "Carnival"
> >> >> movies, have you?
> >> >>
> >> >> By the way, how did you end up on soc.culture.african.american?  You
> >> >> must be getting the heebie-jeebies by now!
> >>
> >> >       What about?  Do blacks think mixed bloods are lovely?
> >> >       Not friggin' likely!
> >>
> >> Some blacks do, some don't.  Are all blacks supposed to think the
> >> same?  One thing is for sure, blacks on a whole are more accepting of
> >> mixed race people than whites are because blacks realize that most of
> >> us in America have the strong possibility of being of mixed heritage
> >> ourselves, and we come in so many colors.  You can't handle that
> >> concept, can you?
> 
> >       If I had a whole continent like Africa made up of people of my race, I
> >could be as agreebale as you are.  But people don't want to go to
> >Africa.  Non-blacks are getting out.  "Africa for the Africans" is the
> >Politically Correct call.
> >       Of course you love it.  Your race is safe, and you get to brown out the
> >race you hate.
> >       I can handle what you're saying.   It's the official PC line.
> >       It is true that I "can't handle it" in the sense that Jews couldn't
> >"handle" what Hitler said.
> 
> Africa isn't all black.  I'm sure Libyans don't consider themselves
> black; most Egyptians aren't black.  South Africa and Zimbabwe aren't
> totally black.  Africa is a large continent, and the probable
> percentage of whites in Africa is probably comparable to blacks in
> Europe.  As far as my race being safe, genetics has proven that the
> mixing of the races makes for a purer human being,





	Clone Doublethink I:  The moment they forget they are trying to deny
they're fighting for ALL white majority countries and ONLY white
majority countries to become brown, they slip up and justify their
battle to make ALL white majority countries and ONLY white majority
countries brown.

	Clone Doublethink II:the clone line is that races don't exist.  But now
mixing races is good. 

	You can get away with this crap is a taxpayer-funded, Poltiical Correct
environment, but here you get called on it.






 and as the
> industrial world destroys the ozone more and more people will be
> wishing they had the extra skin protection that a little melanin
> provides.  As far as this constant PC thing you're throwing out, you
> don't even seem to understand the meaning of the word, as often as you
> use it on everyone who doesn't agree with your position.  And finally,
> you've got a lot of nerve trying to compare this paranoia of yours to
> the Holocaust committed by Hitler.  Jews were killed; most whites are
> assimilating willingly. 


Hate law, fair housaing laws, racial balance, affirmative action, "low
cost" housing, the courts banning miscegennation laws.  Wlllingly, yea,
right.

 How's your tan coming, Bob?
> 
> --
> Mitch


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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.current-events.usa,alt.politics.correct,soc.culture.african.american,alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.politics.equality,alt.politics.radical-left,alt.politics.reform,alt.politics.usa.congress,alt.politics.usa.constitution
Subject: Re: Why Are Blacks Killing and Assalting People Every Day?
Date: Sun, 01 Dec 1996 18:02:20 -0500
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ttmitchell wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> 
> >ttmitchell wrote:
> >>
> >> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> >>
> >> >ttmitchell wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> pk@commune.org (P. Kropotkin) wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >In article <329A80B7.4908@conterra.com>, bwhit@conterra.com wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >> P. Kropotkin wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Since blacks are collectively to blame for the criminal misdeeds of other
> >> >> >> > blacks, I guess many blacks are of course correect in assigning collective
> >> >> >> > blame to the Euro-americans for the misdeeds of individual whites. Whites
> >> >> >> > must be collectively to blame every time some gunman goes "postal" (i.e.
> >> >> >> > in TN recently), evryt crime committed historically by "whites": Slavery,
> >> >> >> > conquest of native lands, the crimes in the "wild west", J. Dahmer, Stark,
> >> >> >> > Bundy, all "white" people, therefore "proving" the collective brutality
> >> >> >> > and savagery fof the white race.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>         Question, why are blacks killing and assaulting people every day?
> >> >> >> Kropotkibn's anser: they have a right to.
> >> >> >Try responding to the meaning of my post, i.e. blacks are no more savage
> >> >> >or brutal than white, taken as groups. I guess that's just not in keeping
> >> >> >with your predjudiced viewpoint. Whites (individuals) are assualting and
> >> >> >killing people everyday. Why? Some how it's never taken as an indictment
> >> >> >of a whole people. That's because of something called racism, where a
> >> >> >whole group is blamed/judged on the basis of the actions of some.
> >> >>
> >> >> Not only that, but if we're going to be accurate the question might
> >> >> well be asked why they may be doing it NOW, since whites are
> >> >> responsible for the genocide of more peoples in the history of the
> >> >> world than any black group could ever claim.
> >>
> >> >       This is the standard PC line, to justify their demanding massive third
> >> >world immigration and integration for EVERY white majority country, and
> >> >ONLY for white majority countries. Asia is to remain Asian, Africa
> >> >African, and all white majority countries are to turn into a brown soup.
> >>
> >> I notice you don't deny the truth, however.  Just own up to being
> >> genocidal and murderous and we'll leave you alone.  And, for your own
> >> edification, this country was not a majority white country when it
> >> started (another genocide committed by yours), and it's not actually a
> >> majority white country now if you take all the minorities and put them
> >> together, so your argument is pure fallacy.  Maybe you need to go back
> >> to wherever you originated from to find your ideal country.  And what
> >> is this brown soup thing you keep bringing into play?  Whites raped
> >> black women for two centuries then denied their progeny, and now
> >> you're crying over the fact; get over it, own up to it, and move on.
> >> Pandora's Box is open, and the "evil" wasn't so bad after all.
> 
> >       You are justifying your program of genocide against whites.  Well, at
> >least you're honest enough to admit that's your intention, unlike the
> >other PC clones.
> >       You hate whitey and you say so.
> 
> Yeah, it's my total intention to process the annihilation of the white
> race by allowing their women to sleep with our men and produce mulatto
> children.  It's my intention to make sure more people of color move
> into Europe and assimilate them also.  I hate no one; I love you so
> much I want you to enjoy all the benefits I've enjoyed in my life.
> Please; join us.
> 
> 
> --
> Mitch


Gee, thanks.


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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.discrimination,sci.anthropology
Subject: Re: Race, Science, & Political Correctness
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Toby Cockcroft wrote:
> 
> In article , Lissa Valerian
>  wrote:
> 
> >Should we be so surprised to see such bickering among these "White
> >Supremacists" over who is truly white, and who is not?
> >
> >This demonstrates the idiocy of the "White Power" claims to superiority.
> >You guys can't even define whats "white"!!!
> >
> >
> 
> Lissa
> 
> If you go into DejaNews and look up under my name you will find that I am
> not a racist.   Quite the contrary I have been arguing, along with others,
> to the contrary against people like mr. LeBouthillier, and mr. Whitaker.
> (if you read his reply to my post you will se that this is so).  Your
> point that two "racists" can't even decide what is "white" was exactly the
> point that I was trying to make




 I don't get bogged down in sophism with PC clones. When you
say there is no white race, you are tacitly admitting that you are
interested in immigration and integration in ALL white Majority
countries, and ONLY in white majority countries.  The only way you can
claim this pattern is not genocide is to say there is no white race.  
        I don't get drawn into this definitional sophism.  I
concentrate  on
the admission behind it.






, and you hit upon it exactly but I see
> that you missed the irony that I was intending.  I hope others haven't
> mis-categorised me because of my previous post but this ought to clear it
> up.
> 
> Toby


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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.discrimination,sci.anthropology,alt.philosophy.objectivism,alt.politics.nationalism.white
Subject: Re: What Are the Race Deniers Denying?
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 00:15:32 -0500
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Philip Kasiecki wrote:
> 
> In article <329CC326.71EC@conterra.com>,
> Bob Whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
> : Philip Kasiecki wrote:
> : > In article <329B0E2A.7AE0@conterra.com>,
> : > Bob Whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
> : > :       Ah!  Another clone, another repeat!
> 
> : >     Whitaker, once, just once, please, use another line (not a repeat).
> 
> : > :       You wonderful antiracists always want Asia to remain Asian,
> : > : Africa to remain African, but you demand massive immigration into
> : > : and integration in LLwhite majorityy coutnries and ONLY white
> : > : majority countries.
> 
> : >     I challenge Whitaker to cite a post where anyone has said that.
> : >
> : >         Phil "why does Whitaker choose to lie about the words of
> : > others all the time?" Kasiecki
> 
> :       You clones persist in the illusion that everybody here has not
> : heard your Political Correctness until they can recite in their sleep.
> : We have heard PC hundreds of times at public expense.
> :       You still think you're some kind of mystery, and it takes a mind
> : reader to get behind your words.
> :       Undeceive yourself.
> 
>     This means, of course, that Whitaker cannot find any post that backs
> up his claim, because he knows that no one has said what he has accused
> people of saying.
>     Why does Whitaker choose to lie about the words of others?
> 
>         Phil Kasiecki
> 
> --
> Philip T. Kasiecki
> Electrical and Computer Engineering
> Northeastern University Class of 1999
> 
> "None of us alone can save the nation or the
> world.  But each of us can make a positive
> difference if we commit ourselves to do so."
> -Cornel West, "Race Matters"


Another clone, another repeat, yet again:



       You clones persist in the illusion that everybody here has not
heard your Political Correctness until they can recite in their sleep.
We have heard PC hundreds of times at public expense.
       You still think you're some kind of mystery, and it takes a mind
 reader to get behind your words.


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From: Bob Whitaker 
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CSKBB@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU wrote:
> 
> >Note to Carl Skutsch: You are contributing yourself to the
> clutter on this thread. I'm trying to find out what the race deniers are
> denying. If you are one that things that there is no such thing as race
> in humans, please tell us what you mean by race.
> Frank Forman
> frank@clark.net "It is a far, far better thing to be firmly anchored in
> nonsense than to put out on the troubled seas of thought" - John Kenneth
> Galbraith
> 
> Yo Frank, you want my views on race, you can get them here, right off
> the presses:
> 
> 1 - Race, as defined by most white nationalist types does not exist.
>     This is the belief that peoples are linked together by some biological
>     bond which is made physically obvious by shared physical traits.
>     The problem is, the racial thinkers can never pin down scientifically
>     what race is.  Yes, certain groups of people share certain traits,
>     (dark skin, rounder faces, etc) but those traits are constantly
>     evolving as the human race interbreeds amongst itself (as it has
>     always done).  Biologically we have a hell of a lot more in common
>     with each other than a belief in race would suggest.
> 
> 2 - Race does exist as a social construct.  People have used this physical
>     fact - humans living in the same area tend to develop similar features -
>     to argue that these physical differences of appearance are very important
>     and should be the basis of political / social alliances, along the lines
>     of "my race good, your race can go to hell for all I care."  While I think
>     this is silly (and sad), it is a political reality that I cannot ignore.
>     And, I should add, it is a belief shared by members of all racial groups:
>     black nationalists who argue that whites are evil ice people are just as
>     racist as whites who believe in aryan superiority and jews who believe
>     that jews have a greater right to a homeland than palestinians.
> 
> 3 - In my ideal world (unrealized yet),


How many people have died for you leftists' ideal world?






 race will be as important as hair
>     color in affecting our view of the world.  I condemn all racism,
>     wherever it comes from, because it creates artificial barriers between
>     all of us humans--the only category that really matters.
> 
>  Carl Skutsch
>  cskbb@cunyvm.cuny.edu


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Philip Deitiker wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> 
> >CSKBB@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU wrote:
> >>
> >> I have come to the conclusion that it is pointless to argue with either
> >> Bobby Whitaker or Brian Smith.  Neither one has any intention of answering
> >> any questions seriously.  They simply label anyone who disagrees with the
> >> race traitors (Smith) or PC clones (Whitaker) and refuse to address their
> >> real points.  Hardly surprising, but sad.  They realize that their
> >> disgusting ideology can't survive the light of real debate, so they hide
> >> under the rocks of half-truths and lies.  Rather pitiful.
> >>
> >> But still, I'll try one more time.
> >>
> >> The idea of race.  What is this thing race you speak of?  Is it skin tone?
> >> But didn't the human race originate in Africa, and its only the movement to
> >> northern sun-starved climates that turned some of us (like me) pale.  What
> >> does that skin color adaptation have to do with making pale people better/
> >> smarter, whatever, than everyone else.  And how do you explain Indians
> >> (in India) who have caucasoid features but skin ranging from light to very
> >> dark brown?
> 
> >       Standard clone statement I've answered many, many times.  I will repeat
> >the same reply for you as for the other clones, and I'll keep repeating
> >until  you hear me.
> >       You clones say the white race does not exist,
> 
> I don't think you've been paying attention, bob. The white race does
> exist, in escense its core is synonomous with indo-europeans; however,
> if you use this as a standard bearer for races in the world there are
> then > 30 other races. From a cultural point of view race is certainly
> being used to catagorize people... So, yes, the white race does exist.
> The question orignially was, if I remember correctly, is what was the
> biological significance of race (or what proof that race is
> biologically insiginificant).  What others and I have been trying to
> tell you is that one cannot easily superimpose 'race' based genetic
> with molecular genetic classification. The current race classification
> is _highly_ deficient as a genetic classification system.
> 
> >but only when that can be
> >used against the white race.  For your insults and attacks and demands
> >for reparations, the white race definitely exist.   You arguments for
> >genocide against whites are two: 1) the white race does not exist and 2)
> >the whtie race deserves it.
> 
>    There is no global genocide against the 'white' race. The white
> race has prospered unmatched over the last 4000 years. From a regional
> population on the black sea to the propogation of colonies all across
> europe the america's. Relative to other world populations,
> indoeuropean genetic contribution has undoubtedly increased over this
> period. Consider that in the americas indoeuropean genes are probably
> at the level of 50%, in europe (outside of the steppes)  australia,
> new zealand, etc the contribution is probably closer to 90%. There are
> lesser contributions in africa and asia.  If I had to guess I would
> say that IE gene freqeuncies were at the level of 5% 4 KYBP. Now they
> are probably on the order of 30%. a six fold relative increase
> compared to most other world populations.
> 
> >       When it comes to your program, the white race exists, for sure.  You
> >demand massive third world immigration into EVERY white majority
> >country, and ONLY into white majority countries.  Quite a coincidence
> >for anyone wo insists he doesn't know what white is.
> 
	You did a lot oftalking before you got to the PC clone aprt.









Who is demanding  immigration. You're a real ding-dong, you know that.



	You clones persist in the illusion that everybody here has not heard
your Political Correctness until they can recite in their sleep.  We
have heard your whole PC routine hundreds of times at public expense.
	You still think you're some kind of mystery, and it takes a mind reader
to get
behind your words.
	Undeceive yourself.









> During the post columbian period, europeans managed to settle,
> colonize and frequently displace all kinds of endemic populations
> world wide, with very little dilution of the population in europe. If
> we are to go buy you're thoughts I think we can do the following...
> Take all non-dravidian poeples in india and drive them back to the
> black sea. Take all non-native (or IE origin) americas, autstralians,
> africans and send them back to  europe. Then almost all europeans and
> move them back to the ukraine. Not to mention a good portion of
> persian, pakistani, afganistan, etc.


	This is a cutesy way to say we're actually talking about "all races"
here.

Another clone, another repeat:

		As I explain to each of you clones in turn, my problem with your
so-called "mixing" is that you are only interested in doing it in white
majority countries.  You demand massive third world immigration into
EVERY white majority country, and ONLY into white majority countries. 
You demand your so-called "race" mixing, which is actually only *white*
mixing, and you use public moneyt for busing and "low-cost"(black)
housing to chase down any white excapees.
	Your so-called solution to the race problem is always only the final
solution to the white problem. 
	Don't worry, I'll keep repeating this until each and every one of you
clones has
heard it.




 Hey, I like this solution, sounds
> good me. Since the basque are the only notable remant of pre-IE europe
> they undoubtably would  inherit all of europe excepting the ukraine.
> The rest wouild belong to the sicilians, and what's left of the
> ancient iberian populations. Hey, bob, how do you like the Ukraine?
> That's the safe way, you know, the IE population would be so
> condensed, so concentrated and isolated there would be little chance
> for immigration (i.e. inihibition via extreme overpopulation
> pressure).
> 
> >       You demand integration in every single white majority country, and only
> >in white majority countries, complete with racial busing to chase down
> >escapee white children and tax-paid black "low cost" housing to chase
> >down escaping families.
> 
> I don't think this was the original issue, the issue was: what are the
> race deniers denying? The core of this issue revolves around persons
> of mixt origin. According to legal classification in the US a person
> of 1/2 european 1/2 african is classified as black; however,
> considering that the that race best used is a social classification,
> then I think that the legal definition is incorrect. Secondarily, the
> mixing problem has preceded formal intregration by several hundred
> years. The only difference is that 100 years ago if a person was of
> mixed origin they might conceal that fact if possible to fit in the
> community which was most suitible to that person. In the 1990's its
> acceptible to call oneself a 'halfbreed' (or other more PC terms) and
> not have to really try to fit into one of three or more established
> catagories, these poeple aren't denying anything they are making a
> statement about who they are. Before there was such a thing as
> political correctness there are communities around this world that
> have face the issue of outbreeding and frequently this results in new
> nations of peoples, other times allignment with the prevelant culture.
> 
> These people are not trying to be political correct, they are trying
> say something about the ionappropriateness of the cultural
> classification sytem as it applies to them.
>    I can give an example: Suppose that a black man and a white woman
> produce offspring, then at some later point the father leaves or has
> minimal contribution to that family. Or supposed that the father is
> isolated with his family in the white community and adapts 'white'
> culture. The offspring of this person would be:
> 
> genetically:   given that mosts african americans have some white
> contribution and the genetics of the mother, mostly of white origin.
> 
> culturally:    being isolated from other africna americans the
> children would accept 'white' traditions, thus culturally they would
> be 'white'
> 
> legally:  BLACK (african american). Even after 4 more generations of
> marriages with white individuals these filial would be legally
> considered black.
> 
> I don't know about you but if I were one of these children I would
> certainly scratch my head on this one.  I don't think they are denying
> anything accept the inappropriatness of the laws they are forced to
> obey.
> 
>    To add to this what if one is australo arborogine. You're not
> african, your'e not asian in its common since, and you're not 'white'.
> What if you're from the middle east? most are mixtures of all three
> 'races'  What race is this?  Semite? What about native south
> americans, they are derived from asian, but originate from regions
> atypical of most asians, and problably have a significant caucasion
> contribution. What race are they?
> 
> >       Standard Politically Correct crap.   As I have explained to each clone
> >in turn, I think the problem with Jews has nothing to do with any
> >conspiracy.  I think Judaism has become a culture based entirely on
> >self-pity.
> 
> A highly tenacious culture, with probably the greatest per person
> contribution to the modern period, and with the longest and most well
> documented history of any extant group. Without Jewry, this world
> would probably look alot different from what it does now, and bob, the
> whites have certainly benifited both genetically (their contribution
> to facilitating european global colonization)  and socially from the
> contribution of Jews, so if I were you I'de keep this one under the
> rug. Whites without jews would probably equal a conquered instead of a
> conquering 'race'. With all these attempts of folks 'like' yourself to
> denegrade them, their success as a group is certainly more worthy of
> the anal-ly  derived characterisitics you give them.
> 
> >  The mostly Eastern European Jews who came over after the
> >Civil War brought all their old hates and revenge feeling with them.   I
> >certainly have no trouble with the ideas of Judah P. Benjamin,
> >Confederate Secretary of the Treasury, or the father of Barnard Baruch,
> >who was Deputy head of the Confederate Medical Corps, or his Jewish
> >boss.
> >       As I have said to each clone, and wil have to say to each new one, it
> >is that your idea that Jews can have been mistreated throughout the ages
> >and have no grudges at all in return is nuts.   Your idea that this
> >revengeful attitude in what is now the official "I am Jewish, so..."
> >attitude in America simply does not exist is post-World War II
> >orthodoxy, but it is the swing of the same pendulum Hitler was part of.
> >       I think Jews are people, with the nastiness and hatred left in.
> >Anti-semites think Jews are devils, you think Jews are angels.
> 
> I think you'll find in every group persons whose thresholds of
> integrity are lower than others. Noone here has said that Jews are
> angels, certainly the palestinians and mediterranean syrians don't
> feel that way.
>    But also getting to thresholds of maturity and integrity, I find
> much more embarrasing about the attitudes of  white race and its
> history of transgression against other peoples than I have found with
> Jewry. You know, Jews accept very distantly related individuals who
> have been genetically separated from ashkanazi and sephardic
> populations for greater than 2500 years. This includes folks of
> principally asian and african genetics. I wish 'white' society could
> have the same mature attitude about assimilating people with like
> minds rather than for skin color.
> 
> As far as current festering attitudes are concerned, your a perfect
> example of what's wrong with 'our' race.
> 
> Philip
> 
> P.S. Can we move this lineage of masculinized bovine feces out of
> sci.anthropology, I note there are many people complaining about this,
> and while the opinions voiced here might be excellent material for
> social anthropology discussion (why, even in modern times, people feel
> insecure without the security blanket of affirmed inheritance?), the
> topics themselves are really just taking up excessive space.


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From: Bob Whitaker 
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CSKBB@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU wrote:
> 
> To Frank Forman:
> 
> Read your reply (sorry I'm not quoting it, but my newsreader is for the dogs).
> I'm confused.  You ask for my take on race, and then offer much commentary
> but little content.  What exactly are YOUR views on race?  The distilation
> of your remarks seems to be: 1-Cultural groupings are important & 2-I don't
> want to see the world get too bland.  Is this all?  I also wouldn't be fond
> of a bland world (it's so boring), but I'm not really worried about it.
> We've been mingling and seperating culturally/genetically for many a year,
> and I believe we'll go on doing so.  But opposing racism I
 am not saying
> people should not be different, but rather that they should not force
> racial world-view down the throats of others.
> 
> So Frank: What are your views on race, the National Alliance,
> anti-semitism, and other issues of the moment?
> 
> Carl Skutsch
> cskbb@cunyvm.cuny.edu




	Here we go with the old "the races" and "diversity" crap again.
	As I explain to each of you clones in turn, my problem with your
so-called "mixing" is that you are only interested in doing it in white
majority countries.  You demand massive third world immigration into
EVERY white majority country, and ONLY into white majority countries. 
You demand your so-called "race" mixing, which is  actually only *white*
mixing, and you use public money for busing and "low-cost"(black)
housing to chase down any white escapees.
	Your so-called solution to the race problem is always only the final
solution to the white problem. 
	Don't worry, I'll keep repeating this until each and every one of you
clones has
heard it.


From bwhit@conterra.com Tue Dec  3 11:45:19 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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A#N#T#I#R#U#S#H wrote:
> 
> On Sun, 01 Dec 1996 21:44:14 -0500, Bob Whitaker 
> wrote:
> 
> >A#N#T#I#R#U#S#H wrote:
> >>
> >> If ET's ever land on Earth, they will refer to everyone on Earth as
> >> "Human Beings" or "Humans". ET's will not call one group "African,
> >> Asian,European" etc...
> >> Talk to any DNA Expert. They will tell you that "Mixing Races" is a
> >> redundant concept, since we are all of one race, mainly Human..
> >>
> >> ##############################################################
> >> http://www.cris.com/~Antirush/
> >> mikescinto@aol.com is a nazi
> >> 'A flashlight is a storage facilty for dead batteries..'
> >> ##############################################################
> >
> >
> >       This is the standard PC line, to justify their demanding massive third
> >world
> >immigration and integration for EVERY white majority country, and ONLY
> >for white
> >majority countries. Asia is to remain Asian, Africa African, and all
> >white majority
> >countries are to turn into a brown soup.
> >       The only way PC's can justify this obvious genocide is to say that 1)
> >the white race does not exist and 2) the white race deserves it.
> >     The white race is best defined by the term "the PC's target".
> 
> Please re-state what you said using less legal terms.
> Also, what gives you those idea's about me? When/Where did I say we
> should allow EVERYONE except white's into America so we can create a
> "brown soup"?
> Where/when did I say this?



You clones persist in the illusion that everybody here has not heard
your Political
Correctness until they can recite in their sleep.  We have heard your
whole PC routine
hundreds of times at public expense.
	You still think you're some kind of mystery, and it takes a mind reader
to get
behind your words.
	Undeceive yourself.










> 
> ##############################################################
> http://www.cris.com/~Antirush/
> mikescinto@aol.com is a nazi
> 'A flashlight is a storage facilty for dead batteries..'
> ##############################################################


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Chuck Ferree wrote:
> 
> Chuck writes:
> 
> Hey, Bobby, you Nazi MF, do me a favor. O.K.???   Now take a deep
> breath....hold it, hold it, hold it,  now blow it out your ass.
> 
> Bob Whitaker wrote:
> >
> > Chuck Ferree wrote:
> > >
> > > Chuck Ferree writes:
> > >
> > > Having already dealt with this Nazis bullshit, I ain't touching it
> > > again with Giwer's stick.
> > >
> > > And no matter how evil this Nazi is, or the other way around, nice, I
> > > wonder if it's appropiate to treat Jim with any amount of respect. I
> > > just can't do it. He doesn't deserve it.
> > >
> > > "Respectfully,"
> > >
> > > Chuck
> >
> >         Why don't you get out of this discussion between reasonable people and
> > go mumble to yourself about what a hero you are?
> 
> Reasonable people my ass, Bobby. Being halfway decent in your writing
> to a very nice person, who treats you with one hell of a lot more
> respect than you deserve, does not make you worthy of that or any
> other kind of respect.



	I was not including myself in the decent people bit.  I just find an
old fart like you yelling at somebody about what a great hero he was
half a century ago so he better watch out very, very tiresome.




> Nazis don't get no respect. Wonder why.



	By the way, I am not a Nazi, but it's OK for you to say so.  I keep
pointing out to your fellow clones that calling anyone who disagrees
with you A Nazi Who Wants To Kill Six Million Jews is standard
practice.  They denied it, of course, but you didn't know the line right
now was to deny it and not do it.  So you did it.
	Old farts like you, who turn all the sacrifices our men went through in
World War II into a crusade against white survival are the kind of
people who MAKE Nazis.


> 
> Lemme get out my "hero" stuff and relive those good old days, when it
> was O.K. to mow them Nazi bastids down.
> 
> Les' see, Air Medal with five Oak Leaf Clusters, DFC, really needs to
> be cleaned up a little, lots of campaign medals, ETO, Central Europe,
> Battle of the Bulge, Ooooo...the Good Conduct Medal, little did they
> know. Well, why go on, then was then, now is now. Nobody cares.



	I repeat, get a life.


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william c anderson wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
> : Christian Bau wrote:
> 
> : > (You think that is nonsense? Sure. But at least it is no racist nonsense. )
> :
> :       This business of "the races" is nonsense.  There is only one race you
> : are talking about.  Asia will remain Asian, African will remain
> : African.  ALL white majority countries and ONLY white majority countries
> : are what you are talking about.  Your so-called anti-racist program is
> : only anti-white.
> 
> Don't try to argue with Bob, Mr. Bau.  He knows what you're thinking.
> You'd best just admit it.


 


You clones persist in the illusion that everybody here has not heard
your Political
Correctness until they can recite in their sleep.  We have heard your
whole PC routine
hundreds of times at public expense.
	You still think you're some kind of mystery, and it takes a mind reader
to get
behind your words.
	Undeceive yourself.




> Bill


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Drew Beck wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> >Vikram Rao wrote:
> 
> >> 
> >>
> >> Well- I don't have the time to beat down this SOB's ignorance
> >> point-by-point, but I will take on one issue he brought up. About
> >> "Baywatch"...you say it is the most popular show around the world.
> >>
> >> 1. Do you have statistics to back that up?
> >
> >       If it's not popular, then say so.  Everybody else says it is, or hadn't you noticed?
> 
> Great statistics.  Score one for Bob.  Guess I'm not everybody else though
> 'cause I think the show sucks.
> 
> >> 2. Along with those statistics, do you have statistics that indicate >>the racial makeup of the viewers? (Could it be popular mostly among whites?)
> 
> >So the white race doesn't exist, but it's just popular among whites,
> >eh?
> >       PC Doublethink again.
> 
> Don't remember Mr. Rao ever claiming that "whites" (whatever they are)
> don't exist.  Oh ya, there's "PC" number one...
> 
> >>
> >> 3. How is it that "Baywatch", one US television series, defines beauty for
> >> this country and the rest of the world?
> 
> >       Another clone, another repeat.
> >       As I said, when you PC's control things, as in European beauty
> >contests, you can have ablack Miss Netherlandds this year and a black
> >Miss Finland next year, etc.   You can talk about how beautiful all the
> >ugly people are.
> >       My point was that, when the PC establishment isn't watching, what
> >happens is waht you and everybody else damn well knows will happen.  I
> >didn't say I selected Baywatch.  I am saying the public went crazy for
> >unapologetically beautiful Nordic people.
> >       Now you  actually expect someone to believe that they just happened to
> >add a black to racially balance the case.   As I say, you're welcome to
> >any moron who could actually believe that was accidental.
> >       Your problem is an inferiority complex.  You have to have all those
> >shouts of "how beautiful those seemingly ugly people are!" because you
> >belive those ugly peoiple are ugly.   That's what makes you love
> >Political Correctness.
> 
> That's 2, 3 and 4 references to the "PC establishment".  I'm detecting a
> certain paranoia here...Of course people that automatically reject
> everything they consider to be "PC" aren't clones, either...(who's coming
> up with what's PC and what isn't, anyway?).
> 
> >>
> >> 4. You mention over and over again about how certain races look "ugly". Why
> >> is it that you assume that YOUR concept of what is beautiful and what is
> >> ugly applies to the rest of the people on earth? This is a flawed,
> >> arrogant, and ignorant assumption.
> 
> >
> >       I said, over and over again, that if you take two widely separated
> >races like black and white and throw them together, the result is
> >usually going to be ugly.
> >       A handsome black with regular features breeds with a beautiful white
> >with regular features.  The result is very unlikely to have regular
> >features.
> >       Instead of beautiful children, you get something only a PC could
> >profess to love.   Being ugly is hard on the children, too, of course,
> >but who cares?   You're getting rid of whitey, and that's the point.
> >       Did you get it this time or shall I repeat it?
> 
> There's "PC" number 5.  When all rational arguments fail (or can't be
> thought up in the first place), it's always good to resort to name-calling
> to deflect attention somewhere else.  And really, who said anything about
> getting rid of whitey?  Hells bells, I'd be literally shooting myself in
> the foot if I started calling for this!



	One after another, you clones make this same point: I am white, how can
I be sick enough to be anti-white?   
	I can't understand things like you.  But I can't undersatand the old
KGB mentality either.   You exist, and your argument is that your
position is so sick you couldn't possibly
exist.
	Lord knows I wish you were right.
	You did not hop into this argument on the side of the other PC clones
by accident. 













  It just so happens that I don't
> see any superiority (or inferiority) in any one particular race or ethnic
> group or whatever.
> 
> By the way, are Irish people considered "white" yet? My grandmother tells
> me that she was considered a lot less "white" than others when her family
> first came to the US from Ireland back in the early 1900s...
> 
> Drew


From bwhit@conterra.com Wed Dec  4 05:33:37 PST 1996
Article: 37832 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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(Delete spam-buster ([at]) to reply) wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 28 Nov 1996 01:28:37 GMT, sbrian@micron.net (Brian Smith)
> wrote:
> 
> >Oh sure.  About as "objective" as whatever the politically-correct
> >academic world wants its professors to write if they want to get
> >tenured.
> 
> One need not be "politically-correct" so spot, and detest Naziboyism.
> 
> Mister Brian "BS" Smith, the little Naziboychik again tries to create
> divisions that do not exist -- this time, between those who oppose
> Nazism.
> 
> I, for example, am a conservative.  Kate, I suspect, may be a liberal.
> Funny how people from various political directions can all see through
> your BS, BS.




     Another clone, another repeat:

	There is nothing more Politically Correct than a conservative who is
desperate to be a "respectable" conservative.
	I have discussed you "respectable" conservatives at some length in my
books(one
is in your library now).
 	Liberals set the standards for conservative "respectability".   To be
respectable, one can be as conservative as he wants to on budgets and so
forth.   But on things that really matter to liberals, like immigration
and integration, he has to be more fanatical than the liberals.
	 Jack Kemp, during the 1994 and 1996 elections, destroyed his
credibility with the Republican base, because he tried to desperately to
be popular with the national media and other liberals. 
	Backing things that are really important to liberals is the job of
respectable
conservatives.
	 I've been dealing with monomaniacally respectable conservatives like
you for
decades, and I've said what I just said repeatedly.  But saying you a
conservative and that makes immigration and integration in ALL white
countries and ONLY white countries a
good policy is an old, old tactic.  
	As I say, it's your function as a respectable conservative.
	Don't worry, I'll keep repeating this until each of you anti-white
"respectable"
conservatives has heard me.


From bwhit@conterra.com Wed Dec  4 08:27:56 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Chuck Ferree wrote:
> 
> Chuck writes:
> 
> My Dad once gave me some very good advice. He said, "son, don't ever
> get into a pissing contest with a skunk!"
> 
> Well, like most young smart-ass kids, I failed to heed my Dad's sage
> advise about the skunk, among other matters, which had I done so would
> have saved me from considerable grief and hardship
> 
> Bob Whitaker wrote:
> >
> > Chuck Ferree wrote:
> > >
> > > Chuck writes:
> > >
> > > Hey, Bobby, you Nazi MF, do me a favor. O.K.???   Now take a deep
> > > breath....hold it, hold it, hold it,  now blow it out your ass.
> > >
> > > Bob Whitaker wrote:
> > > >
> 
> clips
> 
> > > >         Why don't you get out of this discussion between reasonable people and
> > > > go mumble to yourself about what a hero you are?
> > >
> > > Reasonable people my ass, Bobby. Being halfway decent in your writing
> > > to a very nice person, who treats you with one hell of a lot more
> > > respect than you deserve, does not make you worthy of that or any
> > > other kind of respect.
> 
> You know what? I lost my head here and got you mixed up with your pal
> Jim, the self-proclaimed Nazi. Since I believe the Nazi word is
> over-used, I admit my mistake and retract calling you a Nazi. Now,
> this is not an apology, just admitting I made a mistake.
> >
> >         I was not including myself in the decent people bit.
> 
> I realize this now. And you're correct in not including yourself in
> the decent people bit.
> 
>   I just find an
> > old fart like you yelling at somebody about what a great hero he was
> > half a century ago so he better watch out very, very tiresome.
> 
> I don't consider myself a hero by any stretch of the imagination. If
> you want to think of me as a hero, be my guest. Nothing I did during
> WW-II was an act of valor. Never the less, heroic or not, I'm proud of
> my military service, and like the old cliche: I wouldn't have missed
> it for the world, but I wouldn't want to do it again. So Bob, pride in
> something that happened 50 years ago, is no sin, and most ordinary
> people, especially patriotic Americans don't go around calling guys
> like me "old farts," except as a term of endearment from someone who
> in reality respects the old farts of my generation.
> 
> I'm not insulted by you having labeled me an old fart, and if reading
> my posts is tiresome for you, well ya know!
> >
> > > Nazis don't get no respect. Wonder why.
> 
> I believe we settled this. So you're not a Nazi, just an obnoxious
> asshole.
> 
> clips
> 
> >
> >         By the way, I am not a Nazi, but it's OK for you to say so.
>    Old farts like you, who turn all the sacrifices our men went
> through in
> > World War II into a crusade against white survival are the kind of
> > people who MAKE Nazis.
> 
> Wrong, Bob. Old farts like me don't make Nazis. I don't know what
> makes Nazis. People who pontificate about "White Survival" have a
> complex about all other races, and they are what most people label as
> bigots, or racists, which is not the same thing as being a Nazi, but
> close. white supremacy is a fallacy. Whites aren't any better than any
> other race, and you guys prove it.



	You still make all our men's sacrifices in World War II just a piece of
your political agenda, just like your fellow clones.  That's pissing on
their memory.  


> 
> >         I repeat, get a life.
> 
> I need advise from a person like about like I need herpes.
> 
> Now get out of my life.


From bwhit@conterra.com Wed Dec  4 12:45:45 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Subject: Re: Racial Separation is a solution: NOT
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f.ledgis@msuacad.morehead-st.edu wrote:
> 
> In article <32A3518B.64FF@conterra.com>,
> Bob Whitaker  farteth thus:
> >
> > Fragano Ledgister wrote:
> > >
> > > Brian Smith (sbrian@micron.net) wrote:
> > > : jimwalsh@transend.com.tw (Jim Walsh) wrote:
> > >
> > > : >In article <57g5q4$6so@is05.micron.net>,
> > > : >   sbrian@micron.net (Brian Smith) wrote:
> > >
> > > : >::The only answer to the problem is racial separation.
> > >
> > > : >There are at least three problems with this "solution":
> > >
> > > : >1. You have failed to come up with a biological definition of race, so
> you
> > > : >cannot decide whom to separate from whom.
> > >
> > > : The definition provided for "Whites" is no less descriptive and
> > > : precise than that provided for any breed of dog or cat.
> > >
> > > So, where is it? (And what are the precise definitions which would
> > > allow us to distinguish between a King Charles and and Springer?)
> > >
> > > : >2. Those of us who aren't ignorant, are happy in our diversity and we
> don't
> > > : >want to separate from each other. If you want to separate from us, go
> ahead.
> > > : >Buy your island and do so, but you have no right to require us to do what
> you
> > > : >want us to do.
> >
> >       Another clone, another repeat:
> >       As I  explain to each of you clones in turn, my problem with your
> > so-called"mixing" is that you are only interested in doing it in white
> > majority countries.  You demand massive third world immigration into
> > EVERY white majority country, and ONLY into white majority countries.
> > You demand your so-called "race" mixing, which is actually only *white*
> > mixing, and you use public moneyt for busing and
> > "low-cost"(black)housing to chase down any white excapees.
> >
> 
> Exactly who has demanded these things? If you believe I have
> done so, I'd appreciate the citations. Otherwise, I can only
> conclude that you are lying.




You clones persist in the illusion that everybody here has not heard
your Political
Correctness until they can recite in their sleep.  We have heard your
whole PC routine
hundreds of times at public expense.
	You still think you're some kind of mystery, and it takes a mind reader
to get
behind your words.
	Undeceive yourself.






> 
>         Your so-called solution to the race problem is always only the final
> > solution to the white problem.
> 
> Gee, Bob, you seem to think that I want to kill 800 million people. Why?
> 
> >       Don't worry, I'll keep repeating this until each and every one of you
> > clones has
> > heard it.
> >
> Because you have nothing of value to say?
> >  If you want to separate from us, go ahead.
> 
> Who's 'us'?
> 
> Note that when asked specific questions, the Whitaker droid ducks.
> 
> -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====-----------------------
>       http://www.dejanews.com/     Search, Read, Post to Usenet


From bwhit@conterra.com Wed Dec  4 16:13:57 PST 1996
Article: 37863 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Jim Walsh wrote:
> 
> In article <32A35C23.4CD8@dlcc.com>,
>    "Clayton E. Cramer"  wrote:
> ::Without agreeing with Mr. Whitaker's hateful agenda, he is correct on
> ::this point.  Indeed, it was specifically because racially restrictive
> ::covenants were overwhelmingly for the purpose of keeping neighborhoods
> :: white, and apparently never for the purpose of keeping neighborhoods black,
> ::that the Supreme Court ruled that enforcement of such covenants was a
> :: violation of the 14th Amendment in Shelley v. Kraemer (1948).
> 
> Where did you go to law school? I absolutely promise you that if anyone is
> denied the opportunity to buy a house, borrow money, or get a job because they
> are "White", then they have an open and shut lawsuit for damages. The US
> Supreme Court case is NOT the end of the story.
> 
>      Love, Jim Walsh
> 
> [P.S. I sometimes correct spelling and grammar in quoted material without intending to modify the meaning.]


	The point is, the law is not aimed at anti-whtie discrimination.  Your
only interst in non-descrimination is to keep whties from escaping from
race-mixing in white-majority countries.  I doubt anybody reading this
doubts that fact.
	If they do, they're so far gone in PC that you're welcome to them.


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(Delete spam-buster ([at]) to reply) wrote:
> 
> On 28 Nov 1996 08:15:36 GMT, holman@elo.helsinki.fi (Eugene Holman)
> wrote:
> 
> >In families with mixed-race parents it frequently occurs that some of the
> >children are able to 'pass' as white, others aren't. Thus, they are
> >regarded as belonging to different races, even though they are siblings. I
> >know of a family in Michigan that got into all kinds of amusing situations
> >because one of their twin daughters was listed in the school records as
> >'African-American', the other as 'White'. They were actually quite similar
> >looking, but a slightly lighter complexion and straighter, auburn colored
> >hair made one sister be perceived as 'White', the other as
> >'African-American'.
> 
> All the more reason to work for *true* color-blindness, and quit
> classifying people on the basis of "race".





Another clone, another repeat:

		As I explain to each of you clones in turn, my problem with your
so-called "color blindness" is that, in terms of real world resutls, you
are only interested in doing it in white majority countries.  You demand
massive third world immigration into EVERY white majority country, and
ONLY into white majority countries.  You demand your so-called "race"
mixing, which is actually only *white* mixing, and you use public moneyt
for busing and "low-cost"(black) housing to chase down any white
excapees.
	Your so-called solution to the race problem is always only the final
solution to the white problem. 
	Don't worry, I'll keep repeating this until each and every one of you
clones has
heard it.


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xxx wrote:
> 
> Question :
> At a genetic and molecular level does race exist?... if not then what's the
> relevance of race?,
> 
> talus


 I don't get bogged down in sophism with PC clones. When you
say there is no white race, you are tacitly admitting that you are
interested in immigration and integration in ALL white Majority
countries, and ONLY in white majority countries.  The only way you can
claim this pattern is not genocide is to say there is no white race.  
        I don't get drawn into this definitional sophism.  I
concentrate  on
the admission behind it.







> 
> Brian Smith  wrote in article
> <57ob00$165@is05.micron.net>...
> > holman@elo.helsinki.fi (Eugene Holman) wrote:
> >
> > >In article <57cmre$g1v@is05.micron.net>, sbrian@micron.net (Brian Smith)
> wrote:
> >
> > >> You are genetically most similar to those of your own race.
> >
> > >This is patently false.
> >
> > Rather it is self-evident.
> >
> > >Races are not well-defined categories. A person who is 1/4 black is
> > >defined, at least in the North American scheme of things, as 'Black',
> > >despite the fact that 75% percent of his/her heritage is from another
> > >race; a person who is 1/2 black is also regarded as black, even though
> > >he/she bears an equaly degree of genetic similarity to the two races of
> > >his/her parents.
> >
> > The existence of mulattos do not eradicate the existence of races any
> > more than mutts of differing breeds eradicate the existence of the
> > nderlying breeds themselves.
> >
> > >> Obviously, a robin is genetically closer to the immediate brothers and
> > >> sisters of the same hatch than it is to a cowbird or a condor.
> >
> > >In families with mixed-race parents it frequently occurs that some of
> the
> > >children are able to 'pass' as white, others aren't. Thus, they are
> > >regarded as belonging to different races, even though they are siblings.
> I
> > >know of a family in Michigan that got into all kinds of amusing
> situations
> > >because one of their twin daughters was listed in the school records as
> > >'African-American', the other as 'White'. They were actually quite
> similar
> > >looking, but a slightly lighter complexion and straighter, auburn
> colored
> > >hair made one sister be perceived as 'White', the other as
> > >'African-American'.
> >
> > Nothing you said has refuted that a White person is genetically far
> > more similar to another White than he is to a Negro or an Asian.
> >
> > Sorry, but the liberal shell game isn't working.
> >
> > >We have spoken.
> >
> > Yes, and more nonsense.
> >
> > Brian Smith
> > www.natall.com
> >
> >


From bwhit@conterra.com Thu Dec  5 06:00:50 PST 1996
Article: 37894 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Jeff Tremble wrote:
> 
> >They have raised our taxes from 1% in 1947 to more than 40% in 1996 for
> >the purported purpose of developing a calm and non-chaotic society.
> >Instead, they have carefully, craftily, and purposefully mis-used these
> >taxes to create programs such as national welfare to destroy the family,
> >promote irresponsible behavior, subsidize procrastination and sloth,
> >destroy the male figure of authority, destroy the schools, devastate the
> >private workings of businesses, stress the churches, deny prayer in
> >schools, and ruin all of our communities one-by-one through section 8
> 
> Remove the white supremists words and a lot of people would agree with
> what you say.  With the go whitie stuff, you just make people want to
> vote Democrat, anti-conservative, anti-militia, anti-David Duke, etc.
> 
> You give conservatives a bad reputation and therefore I fart in your
> general direction.




     Another clone, another repeat:

	There is nothing more Politically Correct than a conservative who is
desperate to be a "respectable" conservative.
	I have discussed you "respectable" conservatives at some length in my
books(one
is in your library now).
 	Liberals set the standards for conservative "respectability".   To be
respectable, one can be as conservative as he wants to on budgets and so
forth.   But on things that really matter to liberals, like immigration
and integration, he has to be more fanatical than the liberals.
	 Jack Kemp, during the 1994 and 1996 elections, destroyed his
credibility with the Republican base, because he tried to desperately to
be popular with the national media and other liberals. 
	Backing things that are really important to liberals is the job of
respectable
conservatives.
	 I've been dealing with monomaniacally respectable conservatives like
you for
decades, and I've said what I just said repeatedly.  But saying you a
conservative and thatmakes immigration and integration in ALL white
majority countries and ONLY white majority countries a good policy is an
old, old tactic.  
	As I say, it's your function as a respectable conservative.
	Don't worry, I'll keep repeating this until each of you anti-white
"respectable"
conservatives has heard me.



> 
> Jeff Tremble - will program for food, coffee, net access.
> 
> ** Slow Modem??  Download the next few pages while
> ** reading the current page.  For a new, better browser
> ** try http://www.toolstoys.com  jtrembl@toolstoys.com


From bwhit@conterra.com Thu Dec  5 06:00:52 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Ron Kephart wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> >
> > How many people have died for you leftists' ideal world?
> 
> For the record, probably nowhere near as many as have died for the
> free-market capitalists' ideal world.  For starters, you have
> 
> (1) around 90% of the indigenous population of the Americas.
> 
> (2) ditto for the indigenous Australian population.
> 
> (3) who knows how many in the Pacific, Asia, etc.
> 
> (4) who knows how many in Africa, and that doesn't include the ten
> million or so that were transported involuntarily to the Americas,


	I have to keep reminding clones of their own party line.  The line now
is that there were 200 million Africans transported,a dn that sharks are
still in the lane of the slave traffic from the days they lived on
slaves.  That is quoted from the House floor, stated by a black
congressman on C-Span.
	The senior senator from Hawaii, an anti-white of Japanese descent,
stated that there were 50 million people in the present continental US
when the white man arrived and wiped them out.
	Please do your own homework on your own line.






> where their unpaid labor in the production of sugar and other market
> commodities (much more crucial to the global economy then than now)
> fueled the rise of global capitalism and the Industrial Revolution,
> which the Europeans and their descendants so love to take credit for.
> 
> (5) and, just to be fair, not a few Europeans.
> 
> If anybody can realistically add these numbers up, it would be
> interesting to hear about it.  And by the way, I am not (necessarily)
> passing judgement here; just calling attention to the facts.  It would
> also be interesting to compare this figure with a figure for
> casualties caused by leftists trying to construct their ideal world.
> Equally interesting would be a comparison with both Christianity and
> Islam, although, for Christianity at least it might not always be
> possible to separate religions from economic agendas (and vice versa).
> 
> Ron Kephart
> Unversity of North Florida



Anotehr clone, another repeat:

	This has the usual bit of bullshit in point 5) acting like it is trying
to be fair to whites.  It's like the clones always saying "race problem"
when they mean "white problem".
	Most of this is devoted to the same old point: whitey should be
destroyed because he deserves it.
		This is the standard PC line, to justify their demanding massive third
world immigration and integration for EVERY white majority country, and
ONLY for white
majority countries. Asia is to remain Asian, Africa African, and all
white majority
countries are to turn into a brown soup.
	The only way PC's can justify this obvious genocide is to say that 1)
the white race does not exist and 2) the white race deserves it.  
     The white race is best defined by the term "the PC's target".


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Ron Kephart wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> >
> > How many people have died for you leftists' ideal world?
> 
> For the record, probably nowhere near as many as have died for the
> free-market capitalists' ideal world.

	Comrade Satlin got at least fifty million, most of them in peacetime. 
Mao did even better.  I will admit, though, that "love and brotherhood"
idealism as an excuse for Christian slaughters is right up there in the
same league.
	I am simply pointing out that you PC clones usually never mention
anything but racism as a cause of slaughter.
	Your Marxist bit is at least a break in the monotony.  
	Thanks.


  For starters, you have
> 
> (1) around 90% of the indigenous population of the Americas.
> 
> (2) ditto for the indigenous Australian population.
> 
> (3) who knows how many in the Pacific, Asia, etc.
> 
> (4) who knows how many in Africa, and that doesn't include the ten
> million or so that were transported involuntarily to the Americas,
> where their unpaid labor in the production of sugar and other market
> commodities (much more crucial to the global economy then than now)
> fueled the rise of global capitalism and the Industrial Revolution,
> which the Europeans and their descendants so love to take credit for.
> 
> (5) and, just to be fair, not a few Europeans.
> 
> If anybody can realistically add these numbers up, it would be
> interesting to hear about it.  And by the way, I am not (necessarily)
> passing judgement here; just calling attention to the facts.  It would
> also be interesting to compare this figure with a figure for
> casualties caused by leftists trying to construct their ideal world.
> Equally interesting would be a comparison with both Christianity and
> Islam, although, for Christianity at least it might not always be
> possible to separate religions from economic agendas (and vice versa).
> 
> Ron Kephart
> Unversity of North Florida


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Jol Silversmith wrote:
> 
> In article <329FC568.832@conterra.com>, bwhit@conterra.com wrote:
> 
> >>>*>THIS IS THE ONE PROVISION OF THE CONSTITUTION
> >>>*>WHICH MAY NOT BE AMENDED: TWO SENATORS FROM EACH STATE.
> >>>*
> >>>*Wrong. The relevant portion of Article V reads:
> >>>*
> >>>*no State, without its consent, shall be deprived of its equal suffrage in
> >>>*the Senate.^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >>>*
> >>>*Article I, Section 3 _may_ be amended - just only by unanimous consent.
> >>>
> >>>Here is a perfect example of Applied Idiocy: why of course a state is
> >>>going to say, "Oh, we have far too many senators. We'll opt out of the
> >>>Senate." For all practical purposes, which is all that matters, the
> >>>composition of the Senate cannot be changed.
> >>
> >>First, you did not say "for all practical purposes." You said:
> >>
> >>   "THIS IS THE ONE PROVISION OF THE CONSTITUTION WHICH MAY NOT BE AMENDED"
> >>
> >>Don't try lying to hide your mistakes.
> >
> >In my long life,
> 
> Would this be your long life of calling anyone who opposes your posts on
> alt.politics.white-power a clone, Bob?
> 
> > I have never met a person who used the word "lie"
> > frequently and with ease who was not hiumself a pretty consistent liar.
> 
> Remember the parable about people who live in glass houses, Bob?
> 
> On 11/26/1996 in article <329A841A.51FA@conterra.com> Bob Whitaker
>  wrote:
> 
>    >You don't get it, do you Bob?  I see from another thread that you think
>    >that Jews are just people with all the bad and nasty stuff left in.
>    >So you're an antisemite, Bob.  Why am I not surprised.
> 
>    You're not that illiterate, so that's a straight lie, Finsten.  I said
>    that anti-semites think of Jews as devils, PC's think of Jews as angels
>    incapable of guilt, and I think of Jews as humans, with the nastiness
>    and vengefulness of humans left in.
>    That was all in the paragraph you read, so there is no question of
>    amistaker.  That was a straight lie, and a damned serious accusation
>    based on a purposeful ie.


	Which is a VERY unusual statement from, because I called her a
st4raight liar.  I almost never do that.  You are saying that I do it
all the time because I did it the one time it was really true.
	I was aghast that Finsten would lie like that.
	I think my poiunts standds, because you honestly can't tell the
difference between calling someone a liar one and doing it all the time.


> 
> On 11/01/1996 in article <327A6169.2D19@conterra.com> Bob Whitaker
>  wrote:
> 
>    >I don't see how you will be able to tell if Bubba has a shaven head or a
>    >brown shirt, he will be the one wearing the white, (grey actually )sheet
>    >with spoo and skid marks because he is too cowardly to show his face.
>    >
>    >I could never work out how tough the kkk were supposed to be,
> 
>    Actually, the one test of this I know was when some of you heroic
>    lefties challenged the Klan to come out and fight some years back in
>    North Carolina.  It was a gunfight, and you got shot to pieces, and
>    nobody in the Klan even got nicked.
>    This next bit about raping little black girls sounds like something
>    some lefty kook out there in New Zealand would make up for himself.
>    I'm not pro-Klan, but I am pretty sick of listening to pathetic
>    little leftists like you pound their little chests and lie without
>    anybody saying anything.
> 
> >        The equal representation of senators -- unless a state consents
> >otherwise -- is in fact the only unamendable part of the Constitution.
> 
> Which is what I said, and what the original poster did not say and later
> tried to deny not saying, Bob.


	No, you were using the usual sophomoric clone crap.  He said the
provision on equal representation was the one unamendable provision,
which is true.  You shrieked that he was ignorant because it also has
that one rather pointless exception.
	It's sort of like someone saying the fifteenth amendment gave blacks
the right to vote, and you're shrieking that they're ignorant because
they didn't say it gave congress the specific power to enforce that
provision.
	Schoolmarmish and silly.





> 
> --
> Jol Andrew Silversmith __________________________ silversm@law.harvard.edu
> http://www.nyx.net/~jsilvers/home.html __________________ jsilvers@nyx.net


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Philip Kasiecki wrote:
> 
> In article <01bbe155$db155a20$d7c6b7c7@default>,
> Richard A. Hernandez (Camillo@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
> : >   *sigh*  I forgot I was dealing with the master of condescension...
> 
> : No Philip, just plain *MASTER* will do.
> 
>     No, it won't- and I think I meant master of paternalism.
> 
> : I told you you were dismissed!
> 
>     I don't give two shits what you tell me.
> 
> : Richard ( Begining to hate me yet? ) Hernandez
> 
>     I have no room in my heart for hate. 


   Except fot whites, of course. That doesn't count.





 I do have little respect for
> you, though, since you asked.
> 
>         Phil Kasiecki
> 
> --
> Philip T. Kasiecki
> Electrical and Computer Engineering
> Northeastern University Class of 1999
> 
> "None of us alone can save the nation or the
> world.  But each of us can make a positive
> difference if we commit ourselves to do so."
> -Cornel West, "Race Matters"


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Arnotts Ltd wrote:
> 
> Arthur Ed LeBouthillier wrote:
> 
> > Race is a very real phenomenon. At least, it represents the other
> > major form of societal organization: on kinship rather than territory.
> > On that basis, I would say it is the anti-racists who are the most
> > ignorant and hateful in their attempts to destroy long-lived
> > communities and societys.
> 
> Hey Art old mate,
> 
> How do you seperate these race thingys, I suppose you use skin colour
> but why?  And anyway, when do you measure it, I'm damm red after last
> weekends sitting in the sun watching the cricket so I suppose that puts
> me in the "red race", but my sister goes a quite dark brown so is we
> from different races. Why not use some other physical characteristics.
> Maybe something easy to measure like height then all the tall gits both
> black and white will be in one group and us shorties can pass some laws
> to enslave them.  Or maybe facial and body hair, that'll put most
> Africans and Asians in one group but oh shit it will put those darky
> Australian Aborigines in with us whites.   How about eye colour, blue is
> a much nicer colour than brown or green?



	This would never occur to a Poltically Correct clone, but the way we
separate races is to allow us to do our own separating.  Let us have our
white community, and you can have your mixed community.
	Your answer is, no way, Jose.  You know exactly what would happen to
your "there are no races" crap out in the real world.
	 The fact is that the entire PC proggram is for racial balance in ALL
white majority countries, and ONLY in white majority countries.  They
would not tolerate any whites being allowed to live to themselves,
anywhere on earth, and they have said so repeatedly.
	And for reason.  We all know what happens when whites are temporarily
allowed
to set up their own communities.  The Politically Correct get racial
balance and busing,
and out go the whites.  So the PC then use their money to set up
"low-cost"(black)
housing in the escapee communities, and busing again.   And the cycle
repeats.
	The one thing Politically Correct people can never subject their
policies to is the
criterion of whether they actually WORK or not.  They also cannot allow
it to matter
whether any of their victims WANT what they are pushing or not.  Those
tests always fail.
	As a result, the invariable result of Politically Correct policy, from
busing to the
Berlin Wall, is always a major effort at blocking any escape attempt.
	I'll keep repeating this until all you clones hear it.


From bwhit@conterra.com Thu Dec  5 06:00:57 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.discrimination,sci.anthropology,alt.philosophy.objectivism,alt.politics.nationalism.white
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CSKBB@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU wrote:
> 
> > (4) who knows how many in Africa, and that doesn't include the ten >
> million or so that were transported involuntarily to the Americas,
> 
> I have to keep reminding clones of their own party line.  The
> line now is that there were 200 million Africans transported,a dn that
> sharks are still in the lane of the slave traffic from the days they
> lived on slaves.  That is quoted from the House floor, stated by a black
> congressman on C-Span.         The senior senator from Hawaii, an
> anti-white of Japanese descent, stated that there were 50 million people
> in the present continental US when the white man arrived and wiped them
> out.         Please do your own homework on your own line.
> 
> Ooo, this is such a precious Bob Whitakerism I can't resist.
> The earlier poster said 10 million Africans transported to the Americas.
> Bob Whitaker says, hey, someone else once said 200 million.  Since you're
> both clones, and all clones must always agree, you have screwed up.
> Please join the party line.  It doesn't cross his little mind that the
> world is not divided between pro and anti Bob factions.
> 
> Even when clones disagree, you see, it is only because they are ignorant
> of the Politically Correct Anti-White Party Line according to the Bob Bible.
> 
> So I can say "Hey Bob, I don't believe in killing people."
> And he can respond: "Yes you do!  Because Stalin believed in killing people
> therefore you, another clone, obviously believe in the same!"
> Awesome logic.  No matter what your opponants say, you know what they are
> really saying and so can refute them.  You gotta admire the psycho.
> 
> Oh, and if it matters, I think the 10 million figure is the generally
> accepted one for the African slave trade.  Most of those went to South
> America and the Carribean (In the latter region, the European slave
> traders carried out the odd ethnic cleansing solution of replacing one
> non-white population (local Indians) with another (Afriacn slaves).)
> 
> Carl Skutsch
>  cskbb@cunyvm.cuny.edu


	Funny, I never heard any of your cohorts disagreeing with the balck
congressman publicly.  
	It's only when you're called on your silly-ass stuff that you say,
"Well of course it's nonsense".
	Those who remember this newsgroup before I came on will know what I
mean, though your fellow clones won't admit it.  Almost every single
thing you said was a vicious attack on the white race, without the
quotation marks you now use all the time.
	Each time anything good was said about the white race, you each and
every one invariably referred to it as the "white" race.  When you said
something nasty about whites, which was most of hte times, the quotes
came off.
	You've backed off all that crap because you got called on it, and only
because you got called on it.  I am sure that, outside this newsgroup
where you WILL get called on it, you keep up the same old practices.


From bwhit@conterra.com Thu Dec  5 06:00:58 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Jim Walsh wrote:
> 
> In article <5803l1$hqg@is05.micron.net>,
>    sbrian@micron.net (Brian Smith) wrote:
> ::In past societies everyone said the earth was flat.
> 
> Actually this is false, Brian. Ignoramuses like you thought the world was
> flat, but scientists, like Archimedes knew the world was a globe (he could see
> the shadow as it passed across the Moon, and using some simple tools and
> clever math, he even measured the diameter of the Earth, a highly accurate
> measurement that was known to educated people.


	He said a past *societies*.  Your sophomoric statements are therefore
not relevant.





> 
> When Columbus asked Queen Isabella for money to sail to India by sailing West,
> he argued that the world was round, using a sailors argument: you can see the
> ships going over the horizon as if it were a hill.
> 
> Queen Isabella asked her "wise men" who agreed that the world was indeed
> round, but, as measured by Archimedes, the distance to India by the Western
> route was two or three times longer than Columbuses water supply could
> possibly last, so they argued against the trip. They were right, of course,
> but the unexpected happened (as it does so often) and Columbus ran into a
> totally different continent.
> 
> You really ought to study more. Your mistakes are getting stupider and
> stupider.
> 
>      Love, Jim Walsh
> 
> [P.S. I sometimes correct spelling and grammar in quoted material without intending to modify the meaning.]


From bwhit@conterra.com Thu Dec  5 06:01:48 PST 1996
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Ron Kephart wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> >
> > How many people have died for you leftists' ideal world?
> 
> For the record, probably nowhere near as many as have died for the
> free-market capitalists' ideal world.  For starters, you have
> 
> (1) around 90% of the indigenous population of the Americas.
> 
> (2) ditto for the indigenous Australian population.
> 
> (3) who knows how many in the Pacific, Asia, etc.
> 
> (4) who knows how many in Africa, and that doesn't include the ten
> million or so that were transported involuntarily to the Americas,


	I have to keep reminding clones of their own party line.  The line now
is that there were 200 million Africans transported,a dn that sharks are
still in the lane of the slave traffic from the days they lived on
slaves.  That is quoted from the House floor, stated by a black
congressman on C-Span.
	The senior senator from Hawaii, an anti-white of Japanese descent,
stated that there were 50 million people in the present continental US
when the white man arrived and wiped them out.
	Please do your own homework on your own line.






> where their unpaid labor in the production of sugar and other market
> commodities (much more crucial to the global economy then than now)
> fueled the rise of global capitalism and the Industrial Revolution,
> which the Europeans and their descendants so love to take credit for.
> 
> (5) and, just to be fair, not a few Europeans.
> 
> If anybody can realistically add these numbers up, it would be
> interesting to hear about it.  And by the way, I am not (necessarily)
> passing judgement here; just calling attention to the facts.  It would
> also be interesting to compare this figure with a figure for
> casualties caused by leftists trying to construct their ideal world.
> Equally interesting would be a comparison with both Christianity and
> Islam, although, for Christianity at least it might not always be
> possible to separate religions from economic agendas (and vice versa).
> 
> Ron Kephart
> Unversity of North Florida



Anotehr clone, another repeat:

	This has the usual bit of bullshit in point 5) acting like it is trying
to be fair to whites.  It's like the clones always saying "race problem"
when they mean "white problem".
	Most of this is devoted to the same old point: whitey should be
destroyed because he deserves it.
		This is the standard PC line, to justify their demanding massive third
world immigration and integration for EVERY white majority country, and
ONLY for white
majority countries. Asia is to remain Asian, Africa African, and all
white majority
countries are to turn into a brown soup.
	The only way PC's can justify this obvious genocide is to say that 1)
the white race does not exist and 2) the white race deserves it.  
     The white race is best defined by the term "the PC's target".


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Ron Kephart wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> >
> > How many people have died for you leftists' ideal world?
> 
> For the record, probably nowhere near as many as have died for the
> free-market capitalists' ideal world.

	Comrade Satlin got at least fifty million, most of them in peacetime. 
Mao did even better.  I will admit, though, that "love and brotherhood"
idealism as an excuse for Christian slaughters is right up there in the
same league.
	I am simply pointing out that you PC clones usually never mention
anything but racism as a cause of slaughter.
	Your Marxist bit is at least a break in the monotony.  
	Thanks.


  For starters, you have
> 
> (1) around 90% of the indigenous population of the Americas.
> 
> (2) ditto for the indigenous Australian population.
> 
> (3) who knows how many in the Pacific, Asia, etc.
> 
> (4) who knows how many in Africa, and that doesn't include the ten
> million or so that were transported involuntarily to the Americas,
> where their unpaid labor in the production of sugar and other market
> commodities (much more crucial to the global economy then than now)
> fueled the rise of global capitalism and the Industrial Revolution,
> which the Europeans and their descendants so love to take credit for.
> 
> (5) and, just to be fair, not a few Europeans.
> 
> If anybody can realistically add these numbers up, it would be
> interesting to hear about it.  And by the way, I am not (necessarily)
> passing judgement here; just calling attention to the facts.  It would
> also be interesting to compare this figure with a figure for
> casualties caused by leftists trying to construct their ideal world.
> Equally interesting would be a comparison with both Christianity and
> Islam, although, for Christianity at least it might not always be
> possible to separate religions from economic agendas (and vice versa).
> 
> Ron Kephart
> Unversity of North Florida


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CSKBB@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU wrote:
> 
> > (4) who knows how many in Africa, and that doesn't include the ten >
> million or so that were transported involuntarily to the Americas,
> 
> I have to keep reminding clones of their own party line.  The
> line now is that there were 200 million Africans transported,a dn that
> sharks are still in the lane of the slave traffic from the days they
> lived on slaves.  That is quoted from the House floor, stated by a black
> congressman on C-Span.         The senior senator from Hawaii, an
> anti-white of Japanese descent, stated that there were 50 million people
> in the present continental US when the white man arrived and wiped them
> out.         Please do your own homework on your own line.
> 
> Ooo, this is such a precious Bob Whitakerism I can't resist.
> The earlier poster said 10 million Africans transported to the Americas.
> Bob Whitaker says, hey, someone else once said 200 million.  Since you're
> both clones, and all clones must always agree, you have screwed up.
> Please join the party line.  It doesn't cross his little mind that the
> world is not divided between pro and anti Bob factions.
> 
> Even when clones disagree, you see, it is only because they are ignorant
> of the Politically Correct Anti-White Party Line according to the Bob Bible.
> 
> So I can say "Hey Bob, I don't believe in killing people."
> And he can respond: "Yes you do!  Because Stalin believed in killing people
> therefore you, another clone, obviously believe in the same!"
> Awesome logic.  No matter what your opponants say, you know what they are
> really saying and so can refute them.  You gotta admire the psycho.
> 
> Oh, and if it matters, I think the 10 million figure is the generally
> accepted one for the African slave trade.  Most of those went to South
> America and the Carribean (In the latter region, the European slave
> traders carried out the odd ethnic cleansing solution of replacing one
> non-white population (local Indians) with another (Afriacn slaves).)
> 
> Carl Skutsch
>  cskbb@cunyvm.cuny.edu


	Funny, I never heard any of your cohorts disagreeing with the balck
congressman publicly.  
	It's only when you're called on your silly-ass stuff that you say,
"Well of course it's nonsense".
	Those who remember this newsgroup before I came on will know what I
mean, though your fellow clones won't admit it.  Almost every single
thing you said was a vicious attack on the white race, without the
quotation marks you now use all the time.
	Each time anything good was said about the white race, you each and
every one invariably referred to it as the "white" race.  When you said
something nasty about whites, which was most of hte times, the quotes
came off.
	You've backed off all that crap because you got called on it, and only
because you got called on it.  I am sure that, outside this newsgroup
where you WILL get called on it, you keep up the same old practices.


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Ron Kephart wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> >
> > How many people have died for you leftists' ideal world?
> 
> For the record, probably nowhere near as many as have died for the
> free-market capitalists' ideal world.  For starters, you have
> 
> (1) around 90% of the indigenous population of the Americas.
> 
> (2) ditto for the indigenous Australian population.
> 
> (3) who knows how many in the Pacific, Asia, etc.
> 
> (4) who knows how many in Africa, and that doesn't include the ten
> million or so that were transported involuntarily to the Americas,


	I have to keep reminding clones of their own party line.  The line now
is that there were 200 million Africans transported,a dn that sharks are
still in the lane of the slave traffic from the days they lived on
slaves.  That is quoted from the House floor, stated by a black
congressman on C-Span.
	The senior senator from Hawaii, an anti-white of Japanese descent,
stated that there were 50 million people in the present continental US
when the white man arrived and wiped them out.
	Please do your own homework on your own line.






> where their unpaid labor in the production of sugar and other market
> commodities (much more crucial to the global economy then than now)
> fueled the rise of global capitalism and the Industrial Revolution,
> which the Europeans and their descendants so love to take credit for.
> 
> (5) and, just to be fair, not a few Europeans.
> 
> If anybody can realistically add these numbers up, it would be
> interesting to hear about it.  And by the way, I am not (necessarily)
> passing judgement here; just calling attention to the facts.  It would
> also be interesting to compare this figure with a figure for
> casualties caused by leftists trying to construct their ideal world.
> Equally interesting would be a comparison with both Christianity and
> Islam, although, for Christianity at least it might not always be
> possible to separate religions from economic agendas (and vice versa).
> 
> Ron Kephart
> Unversity of North Florida



Anotehr clone, another repeat:

	This has the usual bit of bullshit in point 5) acting like it is trying
to be fair to whites.  It's like the clones always saying "race problem"
when they mean "white problem".
	Most of this is devoted to the same old point: whitey should be
destroyed because he deserves it.
		This is the standard PC line, to justify their demanding massive third
world immigration and integration for EVERY white majority country, and
ONLY for white
majority countries. Asia is to remain Asian, Africa African, and all
white majority
countries are to turn into a brown soup.
	The only way PC's can justify this obvious genocide is to say that 1)
the white race does not exist and 2) the white race deserves it.  
     The white race is best defined by the term "the PC's target".


From bwhit@conterra.com Thu Dec  5 08:05:39 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.discrimination,sci.anthropology,alt.philosophy.objectivism,alt.politics.nationalism.white
Subject: Re: What Are the Race Deniers Denying?
Date: Wed, 04 Dec 1996 12:52:27 -0500
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Ron Kephart wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> >
> > How many people have died for you leftists' ideal world?
> 
> For the record, probably nowhere near as many as have died for the
> free-market capitalists' ideal world.

	Comrade Satlin got at least fifty million, most of them in peacetime. 
Mao did even better.  I will admit, though, that "love and brotherhood"
idealism as an excuse for Christian slaughters is right up there in the
same league.
	I am simply pointing out that you PC clones usually never mention
anything but racism as a cause of slaughter.
	Your Marxist bit is at least a break in the monotony.  
	Thanks.


  For starters, you have
> 
> (1) around 90% of the indigenous population of the Americas.
> 
> (2) ditto for the indigenous Australian population.
> 
> (3) who knows how many in the Pacific, Asia, etc.
> 
> (4) who knows how many in Africa, and that doesn't include the ten
> million or so that were transported involuntarily to the Americas,
> where their unpaid labor in the production of sugar and other market
> commodities (much more crucial to the global economy then than now)
> fueled the rise of global capitalism and the Industrial Revolution,
> which the Europeans and their descendants so love to take credit for.
> 
> (5) and, just to be fair, not a few Europeans.
> 
> If anybody can realistically add these numbers up, it would be
> interesting to hear about it.  And by the way, I am not (necessarily)
> passing judgement here; just calling attention to the facts.  It would
> also be interesting to compare this figure with a figure for
> casualties caused by leftists trying to construct their ideal world.
> Equally interesting would be a comparison with both Christianity and
> Islam, although, for Christianity at least it might not always be
> possible to separate religions from economic agendas (and vice versa).
> 
> Ron Kephart
> Unversity of North Florida


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CSKBB@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU wrote:
> 
> > (4) who knows how many in Africa, and that doesn't include the ten >
> million or so that were transported involuntarily to the Americas,
> 
> I have to keep reminding clones of their own party line.  The
> line now is that there were 200 million Africans transported,a dn that
> sharks are still in the lane of the slave traffic from the days they
> lived on slaves.  That is quoted from the House floor, stated by a black
> congressman on C-Span.         The senior senator from Hawaii, an
> anti-white of Japanese descent, stated that there were 50 million people
> in the present continental US when the white man arrived and wiped them
> out.         Please do your own homework on your own line.
> 
> Ooo, this is such a precious Bob Whitakerism I can't resist.
> The earlier poster said 10 million Africans transported to the Americas.
> Bob Whitaker says, hey, someone else once said 200 million.  Since you're
> both clones, and all clones must always agree, you have screwed up.
> Please join the party line.  It doesn't cross his little mind that the
> world is not divided between pro and anti Bob factions.
> 
> Even when clones disagree, you see, it is only because they are ignorant
> of the Politically Correct Anti-White Party Line according to the Bob Bible.
> 
> So I can say "Hey Bob, I don't believe in killing people."
> And he can respond: "Yes you do!  Because Stalin believed in killing people
> therefore you, another clone, obviously believe in the same!"
> Awesome logic.  No matter what your opponants say, you know what they are
> really saying and so can refute them.  You gotta admire the psycho.
> 
> Oh, and if it matters, I think the 10 million figure is the generally
> accepted one for the African slave trade.  Most of those went to South
> America and the Carribean (In the latter region, the European slave
> traders carried out the odd ethnic cleansing solution of replacing one
> non-white population (local Indians) with another (Afriacn slaves).)
> 
> Carl Skutsch
>  cskbb@cunyvm.cuny.edu


	Funny, I never heard any of your cohorts disagreeing with the balck
congressman publicly.  
	It's only when you're called on your silly-ass stuff that you say,
"Well of course it's nonsense".
	Those who remember this newsgroup before I came on will know what I
mean, though your fellow clones won't admit it.  Almost every single
thing you said was a vicious attack on the white race, without the
quotation marks you now use all the time.
	Each time anything good was said about the white race, you each and
every one invariably referred to it as the "white" race.  When you said
something nasty about whites, which was most of hte times, the quotes
came off.
	You've backed off all that crap because you got called on it, and only
because you got called on it.  I am sure that, outside this newsgroup
where you WILL get called on it, you keep up the same old practices.


From bwhit@conterra.com Thu Dec  5 08:05:42 PST 1996
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Subject: Re: What does Brian Smith want that is different from what Hitl
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Philip Kasiecki wrote:
> 
> In article ,
> Vannessa McClelland (winnett@wsunix.wsu.edu) wrote:
> : On 3 Dec 1996, Philip Kasiecki wrote:
> : >     Well, here's the thing.  The issue of welfare proved that
> : > liberals can certainly be racist as well, contrary to the popular
> : > belief of the racists (shows what they know).
> 
> : I personally do not see how the issue of welfare is a racist issue.
> 
>     I don't think the issue itself is- but the way many people view it
> most certainly is.  That was my point.
> 
> : I am sorry, but I don't care if your white, black, brown, pink, purple,
> : you name it, If you are living off the government and have done so for
> : many years and do not go out and get a job, then you are a problem.
> : Welfare is not a racist issue, it is a lazy man's issue.
> 
>     That's true, though the last half of that statement is not entirely
> true.  I've heard many stories of people who were on welfare, trying to
> get a job, but for one reason or another, could not- and when that
> person finally got a job, they were off in practically no time, because
> quite a few of these stories have been ones in which said person was a
> "diamond in the rough"- they performed very well, and had the potential
> all along, but never got the chance to show it.  The biggest hole in the
> welfare "reform" bill that Clinton signed is where the jobs will come
> from- nothing was said about that.
> 
> : I am sorry that you are so worried about racism that you look for it
> : around every corner.
> 
>     That has nothing to do with it.
>     Anyone who knows about Clinton knows that he's racist.  It may not
> be as obvious as the racism of, say, David Duke, but it's there.  And
> let's think for a moment- is welfare really our biggest issue?  I don't
> think so.  Sure, there's more to it than just economics, but health care
> is a much bigger drain on federal spending than welfare.  Where this
> proved the racism of Clinton is in how he signed it surrounded by Black
> women, and the liberal line on how many are on welfare- "there are more
> Whites on welfare"- doesn't change that.  Not only that, but Clinton is
> good at stroking Black political leaders- he isn't exactly God's Gift to
> Black people.  I'm not Black, but several Blacks I know realize that
> welfare, like a few other things, is a code word, no matter what the
> facts are.  They saw Clinton signing the welfare "reform" bill as being
> along the lines of "I know Blacks will like this, so I'll do it".  I
> couldn't disagree with this, knowing Clinton as I do.  Welfare, just
> like crime and unemployment, are code words for "problems racists have
> with Blacks", regardless of what the facts may be.
>     I don't have to look for racism around every corner- unfortunately,
> it's pervasive enough that it's not necessary to do so.
> 
>         Phil "racism just follows me everywhere I go" Kasiecki



Another clone, another repeat:

		As I explain to each of you clones in turn, my problem with your
so-called "color blindness" is that, in terms of real world results, you
are only interested in doing it in white majority countries.  You demand
massive third world immigration into EVERY white majority country, and
ONLY into white majority countries.  You demand your so-called "race"
mixing, which is actually only *white* mixing, and you use public money
for busing and "low-cost"(black) housing to chase down any white
escapees.
	Your so-called solution to the race problem is always only the final
solution to the white problem. 




> 
> --
> Philip T. Kasiecki
> Electrical and Computer Engineering
> Northeastern University Class of 1999
> 
> "None of us alone can save the nation or the
> world.  But each of us can make a positive
> difference if we commit ourselves to do so."
> -Cornel West, "Race Matters"


From bwhit@conterra.com Thu Dec  5 08:05:43 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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xxx wrote:
> 
> I do believe I read it somewhere that there is no molecular evidence of
> difference in people, the variations in genetic coding is so minimal that
> it falls within the scope of normal human DNA difference.
> 
> Therefore it begs the question, what is race and what is it's relevance?.
> 
> If I am wrong please don't hesitate to point it out, intelligently, I so
> hate passionate denials.


Another clone, another repeat:

		As I explain to each of you clones in turn, my problem with your
so-called "color blindness" is that, in terms of real world results, you
are only interested in doing it in white majority countries.  You demand
massive third world immigration into EVERY white majority country, and
ONLY into white majority countries.  You demand your so-called "race"
mixing, which is actually only *white* mixing, and you use public money
for busing and "low-cost"(black) housing to chase down any white
escapees.
	Your so-called solution to the race problem is always only the final
solution to the white problem. 








> 
> talus
> 
> Jim Walsh  wrote in article
> <57ra41$g85@keelung.transend.com.tw>...
> > In article <01bbdece$5ad728e0$c3c6b7c7@default>,
> >    "Richard A. Hernandez"  wrote:
> > ::As for your infantile arguments ie: " Race does not exist " etc.
> Despite
> > ::your
> > ::pretentious sig., you are a nobody! You offer no scholorship,
> >
> > Hey stupid!! Yeah, you. Got your attention now? OK, the consensus of
> > scientists in the America is that there are no races. Go to your nearest
> > University (no, not a Bible college). Go to the library. Ask for the
> textbooks
> > used in introductory Physical Anthropology. Read them. I can virtually
> > guarantee that this book will say that there are no races.



	I can absolutely guaranteee that any book that disagrees with Poltical
Correctness will not be allowed in a Physical Anthropology class room as
a text, now or in earlier times, when Nordic Supremacy was PC.





> >
> > You have your homework assignment, I will expect your report prior to
> December
> > 15th. Is that clear.
> >
> >      Love, Jim Walsh
> >
> > [P.S. I sometimes correct spelling and grammar in quoted material without
> intending to modify the meaning.]
> >
> >
> >


From bwhit@conterra.com Thu Dec  5 08:05:44 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Philip Kasiecki wrote:
> 
> In article <01bbe00e$85255180$57c6b7c7@default>,
> Richard A. Hernandez (Camillo@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
> : (Delete spam-buster ([at]) to reply)  wrote in
> : article <32aef2af.32401669@news.netonecom.net>...
> : > On 27 Nov 1996 17:36:02 GMT, "Richard A. Hernandez"
> : >  wrote:
> : > >Delete spam-buster wrote in <329c89f0.90966007@news.netonecom.net>...
> : > >> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> : > >> >    The white race is my race and you have no right to destroy it.
> 
> : > >> The human race is my race and you have no right to pollute it.
> : > >>
> : > >> Fortunately, inbreeding tends to produce sterility after a while,
> : > >> so you naziboyz are a self-limiting curiosity.
> 
> : > >Ha Ha Ha.......! Another left-wing liberal loser shows his true
> : > >(bigoted) colors!
> 
> : > Ho Ho Ho......! Another brain-dead Naziboy loser shows his true
> : > (sub-moron) level of perception.
> 
> : Ho hum.....! Perhaps you may not be aware, but the Nationalsozialistische
> : Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (which NAZI is an acronym for) was banned in
> : 1945. It does not exist!
> : There is no party headquarters, no building, no secretaries answering
> : phones, no anything! So cut the Naziboy sh*t you incredibly ignorant
> : fool.
> 
>     No, *you* learn this thing called context, then talk.
> 
> : > No, sonny
> 
> : Oh puh-leeeeesssseee (as Kasiecki would say)
> 
>     I'd also say I'm amazed you aren't getting along with him- he's
> talking to you in the same paternalistic way you talk down to others, at
> least in this small exchange.
> 
> : > Hell, can't even tell a liberal from a conservative.
> 
> : Well, if you're a conservative you're just as big a fool as if you
> : were a liberal. The only reason for being a conservative, is if there
> : was in fact anything left to conserve.
> 
>     "Liberal" and "conservative" are just labels, and they're also very
> relative as well. 


	Hey Kasiecki-Brown, you remember you once said "I don't know of any
conservatives who aren't racists."   Now you're suddenly being neutral
and saying the label is meaningless.   Standard clone Doublethink.




 And as most people feel some need to use these
> labels, everyone is either a liberal or conservative- I've very rarely
> seen people categorize someone's ideology as being moderate- so I guess
> that makes every person a fool...
> 
>         Phil "I don't care for the labels, they're too limiting, and
> used in too absolute a fashion" Kasiecki
> 
> --
> Philip T. Kasiecki
> Electrical and Computer Engineering
> Northeastern University Class of 1999
> 
> "None of us alone can save the nation or the
> world.  But each of us can make a positive
> difference if we commit ourselves to do so."
> -Cornel West, "Race Matters"


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Jim Walsh wrote:
> 
> In article <32A3F9B4.7EBF@lis.ab.ca>, Stig O'Tracy  wrote:
> ::George Glatter wrote:
> ::>
> ::> Race is a social classification. It has nothing to do with biology
> ::> (genetics). Skin color is used as an identification tag, but we all
> ::> know it is a very flawed system.
> ::>
> ::If race was strictly social, how could it be identified via hair samples,
> bone
> ::fragments, etc?  And how could one tell Africans from Asians? Races exist as
> ::physical and physiological traits which can be used to identify a distinct
> ::grouping of people, and skin colour is but ONE identifying charecteristic.
> 
> The answer is that ONE CANNOT tell Africans from Asians by DNA. Anyone who
> suggests different is lying, or guessing.
> 
> I don't mean that if one decides that "Asians" means narrow-eyes, which is a
> gross over-simplification, that one cannot find the genes for narrow-eyes and
> then "predict" that this person might probably be Asian (or Native American or
> an American with Asian parents, or a Asiatic Jew from Russia, or ...). Get
> real.




When they did that computer reenactment of the murders, they had aq
black man in it.  No one challenged it, becaue while no one had
established that the person who did it was OJ, it was desginitely
established that the person who did it wa black.





> 
>      Love, Jim Walsh
> 
> [P.S. I sometimes correct spelling and grammar in quoted material without intending to modify the meaning.]


From bwhit@conterra.com Thu Dec  5 08:53:59 PST 1996
Article: 37937 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Subject: Re: Are There Races?
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Jim Walsh wrote:
> 
> In article <32A3F9B4.7EBF@lis.ab.ca>, Stig O'Tracy  wrote:
> ::George Glatter wrote:
> ::>
> ::> Race is a social classification. It has nothing to do with biology
> ::> (genetics). Skin color is used as an identification tag, but we all
> ::> know it is a very flawed system.
> ::>
> ::If race was strictly social, how could it be identified via hair samples,
> bone
> ::fragments, etc?  And how could one tell Africans from Asians? Races exist as
> ::physical and physiological traits which can be used to identify a distinct
> ::grouping of people, and skin colour is but ONE identifying charecteristic.
> 
> The answer is that ONE CANNOT tell Africans from Asians by DNA. Anyone who
> suggests different is lying, or guessing.
> 
> I don't mean that if one decides that "Asians" means narrow-eyes, which is a
> gross over-simplification, that one cannot find the genes for narrow-eyes and
> then "predict" that this person might probably be Asian (or Native American or
> an American with Asian parents, or a Asiatic Jew from Russia, or ...). Get
> real.
> 
>      Love, Jim Walsh
> 
> [P.S. I sometimes correct spelling and grammar in quoted material without intending to modify the meaning.]



Another clone, another repeat:
	
	This would never occur to a Poltically Correct clone, but the way we
separate
races is to allow us to do our own separating.  Let us have our white
community, and you
can have your mixed community.
	Your answer is, no way, Jose.  You know exactly what would happen to
your
"there are no races" crap out in the real world.
	 The fact is that the entire PC proggram is for racial balance in ALL
white majority
countries, and ONLY in white majority countries.  They would not
tolerate any whites
being allowed to live to themselves, anywhere on earth, and they have
said so repeatedly.
	And for reason.  We all know what happens when whites are temporarily
allowed
to set up their own communities.  The Politically Correct get racial
balance and busing,
and out go the whites.  So the PC then use their money to set up
"low-cost"(black)
housing in the escapee communities, and busing again.   And the cycle
repeats.
	The one thing Politically Correct people can never subject their
policies to is the criterion of whether they actually WORK or not.  They
also cannot allow it to matter
whether any of their victims WANT what they are pushing or not.  Those
tests always fail.
	As a result, the invariable result of Politically Correct policy, from
busing to the Berlin Wall, is always a major effort at blocking any
escape attempt.
	I'll keep repeating this until all you clones hear it.


From bwhit@conterra.com Thu Dec  5 10:58:58 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Subject: Re: Definition Of White Race
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Leonard M. Keane wrote:
> 
> In <32A42112.A13@chbs.mhs.ciba.com> " Mart."
>  writes:
> >
> >Bob Whitaker wrote:
> >>
> >> A#N#T#I#R#U#S#H wrote:
> >> >
> >> > If ET's ever land on Earth, they will refer to everyone on Earth
> as
> >> > "Human Beings" or "Humans". ET's will not call one group "African,
> >> > Asian,European" etc...
> >> > Talk to any DNA Expert. They will tell you that "Mixing Races" is
> a
> >> > redundant concept, since we are all of one race, mainly Human..
> 
> Just browsing this curious discussion. It occurs to me that if ET's
> call us "human", what will (do) we call ET's???  Is not "ET" a racial
> term?  Sure sound like it to me.
> 
> A DNA expert will also tell us that there is only a 2% genetic
> difference between apes and humans.  But what an important 2%. Yet,
> that won't convince many that there is a difference between animals and
> humans.  Just consider the "animal rights brigades" which kill people
> to spare laboratory animals. If ET exists, is it just possible that
> there is a lot more than 2% difference between them and us?
> 
> One definition of "race" that I recall from somewhere (animal breeding
> perhaps) is that a race is a group that breeds true to form from
> generation to generation. I'm willing to give a dog, cat or human group
> the degree of distinction they have acquired from their heredity. What
> you folks need to be discussing is WHY such distinction seems to scare
> the hell out of some humans!
> 
> Len.




	This is why it scares the hell out of me:


	My problem with the PC clones' so-called "color blindness" is that, in
terms of real world results, They are only interested in doing it in
white
majority countries.  They demand massive third world immigration into
EVERY white
majority country, and ONLY into white majority countries.  They demand
their so-called
"race" mixing, which is actually only *white* mixing, and use public
money for busing and "low-cost"(black) housing to chase down any white
excapees.
	Their so-called solution to the race problem is always only the final
solution to the *white* problem.


From bwhit@conterra.com Thu Dec  5 11:05:06 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Subject: Re: Racial Separation is a solution: NOT
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Fragano Ledgister wrote:
> 
> Brian Smith (sbrian@micron.net) wrote:
> : jimwalsh@transend.com.tw (Jim Walsh) wrote:
> 
> : >In article <57g5q4$6so@is05.micron.net>,
> : >   sbrian@micron.net (Brian Smith) wrote:
> 
> : >::The only answer to the problem is racial separation.
> 
> : >There are at least three problems with this "solution":
> 
> : >1. You have failed to come up with a biological definition of race, so you
> : >cannot decide whom to separate from whom.
> 
> : The definition provided for "Whites" is no less descriptive and
> : precise than that provided for any breed of dog or cat.
> 
> So, where is it? (And what are the precise definitions which would
> allow us to distinguish between a King Charles and and Springer?)
> 
> : >2. Those of us who aren't ignorant, are happy in our diversity and we don't
> : >want to separate from each other. If you want to separate from us, go ahead.
> : >Buy your island and do so, but you have no right to require us to do what you
> : >want us to do.
	





	Another clone, another repeat:
	As I  explain to each of you clones in turn, my problem with your
so-called"mixing" is that you are only interested in doing it in white
majority countries.  You demand massive third world immigration into
EVERY white majority country, and ONLY into white majority countries. 
You demand your so-called "race" mixing, which is actually only *white*
mixing, and you use public moneyt for busing and
"low-cost"(black)housing to chase down any white excapees.
	Your so-called solution to the race problem is always only the final
solution to the white problem. 
	Don't worry, I'll keep repeating this until each and every one of you
clones has
heard it.



 If you want to separate from us, go ahead.
> : >Buy your island and do so, but you have no right to require us to do what you
> : >want us to do.


Another clone, another repeat:
Trying to say something to a clone is like pushing toothpaste back into
a tube.
	Each clone comes up with this "well, set up  your own country",
statement.  But
the fact is that the entire PC proggram is for racial balance in ALL
white majority
countries, and ONLY in white majority countries.  They would not
tolerate any whites
being allowed to live to themselves, anywhere on earth, and they have
said so repeatedly.
	So this challenge for us to set up our own country is bullshit.  They 
would crush us fast.
	And for reason.  We all know what happens when whites are temporarily
allowed
to set up their own communities.  The Politically Correct get racial
balance and busing,
and out go the whites.  So the PC then use their money to set up
"low-cost"(black)
housing in the escapee communities, and busing again.   And the cycle
repeats.
	The one thing Politically Correct people can never subject their
policies to is the criterion of whether they actually WORK or not.  They
also cannot allow it to matter
whether any of their victims WANT what they are pushing or not.  Those
tests always fail.
	As a result, the invariable result of Politically Correct policy, from
busing to the Berlin Wall, is always a major effort at blocking any
escape attempt.
	I'll keep repeating this until all you clones hear it.







> 
> : No comment.
> 
> Whyever not?
> : >3. Like most bigots, I expect you want the "inferior races" to do your work
> : >for you. Racial separation failed in the Republic of South Africa (for
> : >example) because the "White masters" were too lazy to mow their own lawns or
> : >drive their own cars.
> 
> : Here we suprisingly agree on something Jim.  White nationalists have
> : certainly learned the lessons of slavery, that the short-term benefits
> : of having slaves do your menial labor will only end up threatening the
> : survival of your people in the long run.  In the future White state,
> : Whites will do their own labor.   It's important to learn from the
> : mistakes of the past and incorporate this new-found wisdom into the
> : future.
> 
> Where will this future 'white state' be?
> 
> --
> Dawn over the dark sea brings on the sun;
> She leans across the hilltop: see, the light!
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu


From bwhit@conterra.com Fri Dec  6 17:44:05 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Douglas E. Berry wrote:
> 
> In article , varange@crl.com (Troy Varange) wrote:
> 
> >Gord McFee  writing [ 1599] bytes in
> <57hbc6$bb8$1@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net>
> >
> >> :>>         Intelligence tests have shown Jews to be the most
> >> :>>         intellectually challenged people of Europe, right below
> >> :>>         the Gypsies.
> >> :>
> >> :>I love this stuff.
> >> :>
> >> :>Jews are stupid.
> >> :>Jews own/run/control everything.
> >> :>
> >> :>That sure says a whole lot for you "Aryan" fellows doesn't it?
> >>
> >> I guess it says that us Aryan fellas ain't too bright.  };->
> >
> >       So now you're saying that Jews are aryan?
> 
> OK, listen up.  The only "Aryans" in history were a tribe of horsemen who
> invaded India at the begining of the Vedic age.  They worshiped horses, took
> some powerful drugs, and helped destroy the Dara-Happen culture and institute
> the caste system.  They have nothing to do with the Germanic/Caucausian
> people.  Old Adolf found something romantic about drugged-out warriors, and
> declared that Germans were "really" Aryan.  The actual Aryans were probably
> from the same stock as the tribes that wandered the Russian steppes during
> that time.
> 
> If you have pinkish skin, hair ranging from light blonde to black, and can
> trace family roots to Europe, the Middle East, or Russia, you are Caucasian.




This would never occur to a Poltically Correct clone, but the way we
separate
races is to allow us to do our own separating.  Let us have our white
community, and you
can have your mixed community.
	Your answer is, no way, Jose.  You know exactly what would happen to
your
"there are no races" crap out in the real world.
	 The fact is that the entire PC proggram is for racial balance in ALL
white majority countries, and ONLY in white majority countries.  They
would not tolerate any whites
being allowed to live to themselves, anywhere on earth, and they have
said so repeatedly.
	And for reason.  We all know what happens when whites are temporarily
allowed
to set up their own communities.  The Politically Correct get racial
balance and busing,
and out go the whites.  So the PC then use their money to set up
"low-cost"(black)
housing in the escapee communities, and busing again.   And the cycle
repeats.
	The one thing Politically Correct people can never subject their
policies to is the criterion of whether they actually WORK or not.  They
also cannot allow it to matter
whether any of their victims WANT what they are pushing or not.  Those
tests always fail.
	As a result, the invariable result of Politically Correct policy, from
busing to the Berlin Wall, is always a major effort at blocking any
escape attempt.
	I'll keep repeating this until all you clones hear it.







> 
> +----------------------------------------------+
> | Douglas E. Berry          dberry@hooked.net  |
> |     Professional Driver - Traveller Guru     |
> |        http://www.hooked.net/~dberry/        |
> |**********************************************|
> | "Life's a journey, not a destination."       |
> |                                   -Aerosmith |
> +----------------------------------------------+


From bwhit@conterra.com Sat Dec  7 10:39:23 PST 1996
Article: 37962 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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steve griff wrote:
> 
> Brian Smith wrote:
> >
> > No.  Weakness=weakness.  Christianity says all races are "equal" and
> > that Jesus wants me to lay down (i.e., bend over) and let my race be
> > destroyed, and that to resist its destruction is "un-Christian."
> > Thanks but no thanks.  You'll have to find some other gullible goy to
> > peddle your wares to.
> >
> > Brian Smith
> > www.natall.com
> 
> Not all "Christians" say all races are equal. I attended a school in
> Greenville South Carolina known as Bob Jones University. Their main
> theological doctrine was that the bible taught racial seperation. The
> University went so far as to not allow inter-racial dating of any form
> (for instance a student from Japan was not allowed to escort another
> student of Native American descent to a concert). However students of
> differing ethnic backgrounds were allowed to attend the school. They
> eventually lost their tax exempt status because of this policy, they
> attempted to get this overturned and took it to the Supreme Court and
> lost.

	AS I KEEP SAYING, THE POLTICALLY CORRECT MAKE SURE THERE CANNOT BE ANY
PLACE ON EARTH WHERE WHITES CAN BE TO THEMSELVES IN ANY WAY.






> 
> Be careful when you claim all Christians say "______" as fact. There are
> almost always exceptions to any rule.


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David Salvador Flores wrote:
> 
> In article ,
> Kathleen Mulhern  wrote:
> >In article <57cmrg$g1v@is05.micron.net>, sbrian@micron.net (Brian Smith) wrote:
> >
> >{snip}
> 
> [deletia]
> >If this is your goal, then perhaps you should examine the fact that
> >in-breeding will soon occur within a "separated white society" and that
> >society will die out very soon.  The only reason that the human race has
> 
> Especially when you consider that the new gene pool will most likely
> consist of a few dozen individuals suffering from anti-social
> disorders and their immediate kin. I'd expect this new "White Race"
> to resemble nothing so much as a band of mongoloids within a few
> generations.
> 
> Too bad, so sad.
> 
> -Dave



Another clone, another repeat.
	The old argument: if you don't have racial intermarriage, you have
inbreeding. 
Thius tired, tired, tired old refrain says that a breeding population of
several hundred
million peopleconstitutes "inbreeding".   Since the population of any
race today is larger than the entire world population a couple of
hundred years ago, this means that all men re always inbred.
	It also means that this clone, like every other one, repeats every PC
cliche no
matter how silly.


From bwhit@conterra.com Sat Dec  7 10:39:25 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Clayton E. Cramer wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker wrote:
> 
> >         The point is, the law is not aimed at anti-whtie discrimination.  Your
> > only interst in non-descrimination is to keep whties from escaping from
> > race-mixing in white-majority countries.  I doubt anybody reading this
> > doubts that fact.
> >         If they do, they're so far gone in PC that you're welcome to them.
> 
> Blow it out your ear (and whatever orifice is closest to your brain).
> The goals of liberals in passing anti-discrimination laws are to
> impose Christian morality on the population (while whining about it
> in other contexts).  This obssession with "race-mixing" is recognition
> of the fact that most people fall in love with PEOPLE not
> representatives
> of a race.


Another clone, another repeat:

	As I explain to each of you clones in turn, my problem with your
so-called  "colorblindness" is that, in terms of real world results, you
are only interested in doing it in white majority countries.  You demand
massive third world immigration into EVERY white majority country, and
ONLY into white majority countries.  You demand your so-called "race"
mixing, which is actually only *white* mixing, and you use public money
for busing and "low-cost"(black) housing to chase down any white
excapees.
	Your so-called solution to the race problem is always only the final
solution to the white problem. 








> --
> Clayton E. Cramer   Technical Marketing Manager, Diamond Lane
> Communications
> email: cramer@dlcc.com web page: http://www.cs.sonoma.edu/~cramerc
> Opinions are strictly my own; DLCC doesn't pay me for non-technical
> opinions.


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G*rd*n wrote:
> 
> Clayton E. Cramer wrote:
> | > > Blow it out your ear (and whatever orifice is closest to your brain).
> | > > The goals of liberals in passing anti-discrimination laws are to
> | > > impose Christian morality on the population (while whining about it
> | > > in other contexts).  This obssession with "race-mixing" is recognition
> | > > of the fact that most people fall in love with PEOPLE not
> | > > representatives
> | > > of a race.
> 
> Bob Whitaker wrote:
> | > Another clone, another repeat:
> | >
> | >         As I explain to each of you clones in turn, my problem with your
> | > so-called  "colorblindness" is that, in terms of real world results, you
> | > are only interested in doing it in white majority countries.  You demand
> | > massive third world immigration into EVERY white majority country, and
> | > ONLY into white majority countries.  ...
> 
> cramer@dlcc.com:
> | I don't demand massive third world immigration at all.  ...






> 
> It doesn't matter to Bob.  I pointed out previously that
> most people aren't "demanding" immigration anywhere.  I
> could go on and point out that a lot of Europeans have
> migrated to other areas of the world in the last few
> centuries, and are continuing to do so.  But it wouldn't
> make any difference.  Bob is in a world of his own --
> a world in which Iceland is besieged by Moorish hordes.
> It's just our luck that the single line from his world
> to ours connects to the Internet.
> 
> So, Clayton, you're now in the same bag as bleeding-heart
> liberals, slavering anarchists, Commies, the Pope, and the
> aforementioned Moorish hordes.  I never thought I'd see
> it happen, but... !Bienvenidos!
> --
>    }"{    G*rd*n   }"{  gcf @ panix.com  }"{


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This string was renamed by one of the clones.
	The actual subject I started this string on was making fun of the
standard Doublethink of clones.
	Clones in the classroom and in the media will regularly show a picture
of  the hideous looking mongrels in Brazil and fake an orgasm: "HOW
BEAUTIFUL THESE MULTIRACIAL HUMANS ARE", they will dutifully shout.
	But out in reality, when *Baywatch* starteed, it almost instantly
became the world's most popular TV show, with a billion watchers. 
Everybody who isinterviewed on TV will dutifully recite the old crap
about how beautiful anybody the PC's want to be called beautiful is. 
But nobody was surprised that the Nordic show made it big-time with
nobody watching the watchers.
        They have, of course, started watching the watchers and put in
the required black now.







Another clone, another repeat:

	To repeat,  I don't get bogged down with PC clones  in the sophistry of
"defining the white race". When you say there is no white race, you are
tacitly admitting that you are interested in immigration and integration
in ALL white Majority
countries, and ONLY in white majority countries.  The only way you can
claim this pattern is not genocide is to say there is no white race.  
        I don't get drawn into this definitional sophism.  I
concentrate  on the admission behind it.
	You know exactly what the white race is.  You target it perfectly.






Eugene Holman wrote:
> 
> In article <32A06B11.7CFC@conterra.com>, bwhit@conterra.com wrote:
> 
> > Eugene Holman wrote:
> 
> > >
> > >    We don't know how Miss Netherlands was selected, but beautiful, poised,
> > > and graceful Lola Odusoga was selected as Miss Finland as the result of
> > > local, regional, and national talent and beauty scouting contests. Her
> > > selection was neither the whim nor the *Diktat* of the local PC crowd, but
> > > rather the collective will of the nation:
> >
> >
> >         OH, HORSESHIT!
> >         You can have anybody who is willing to believe that crap.
> 
> Excuse me, but beauty contests are taken very seriously in Finland, and
> the three-tier (city-wide, regional, national) process by which Lola
> Odusoga emerged as Miss Finland was nationally televised and closely
> followed in the media. Interestingly, her chances of being selected Miss
> Finland were regarded as very high right from the start and, for people
> who wager on such things, the smart money was always on her. She is
> exceptionally beautiful, graceful (she has a successful career in
> modelling and dancing behind her), and lady-like in a country where many
> women have become androgenized. It was not PC, it was that she was
> regarded as a natural for the title. Neither were we surprised here when
> she placed third in the world-wide pageant, although many here thought she
> would win.
> 
> >  a sizable number of the people
> > > in Finland not only consider her to be the most beautiful Finnish girl in
> > > her age group right now but were also eager to send the signal to the
> > > thousands of Finns of mixed race as well as to the world that our society
> > > does not equate beauty with a specific configuation of blue eyes, fair
> > > skin, and blonde hair.
> > >
> >         That's what they told YOU.  What do yo think they're going to tell a
> > mulatto?
> 
> They didn't tell *us* anything. We *live* here. We follow the *media*.


Yea, right.  The MEDIA is going to point out how silly this is!






 We
> are *cognizant of what is going on around us*.
> 
> >
> >
> > Northern Europe is rapidly and decisively
> > > developing darker-skinned minorities, just as southern Europe and many
> > > African and Asian countries have developed or are in the process of
> > > developing expatriate communities of settlers from other countries,
> > > including European and North American expatriates, who don't see the
> > > accident of their race as a permanent
> > > meal-ticket to a life of unearned privilege in mansions with legions of
> > > servants, as was often the case in your beloved but unlamented Rhodesia,
> > > but are willing to live more or less as the locals do, making their
> > > contribution to and enriching local business and cultural life to the best
> > > of their ability.
> >
> >>
> >
> >         Your so-called movement of Europeans into other areas is actually
> > damned small and whites are coming OUT of Africa.  What you are really
> > describing here is your belioved mass movement of the third world into
> > EVERY white country and ONLY into white countries.
> 
> South Africa advertises for qualified immigrants in European newspapers,
> particularly in Russia and Eastern Europe. Yes, the Europeans who couldn't
> face life without being entitled to ease and privilege solely by virtue of
> their skin color left one-time white paradises like Rhodesia, South
> Africa, and South West Africa. Europeans of good will with something to
> contribute and able to deal with the locals on an equal basis go to
> African and other third world countries to work as teachers,
> development-aid specialists, and increasingly, members of the local
> expatriate business community. Their numbers are not 'damned small' and
> they are a visible part of the street scene in African metropolises such
> as Nairobi, Dar-es-Salaam, and Abidjan. According to the CIA world book of
> facts the number of European residents in some Francophone African
> countries approaches 5%. Thus, Europeans people are not only leaving
> African countries, they are also remaining and moving to them, as one
> would expect as these countries become better integrated into the world
> economy.
> 
> But don't take my word for it. Open the following URL and follow up the
> links to the pages about African countries:
> http://www.odci.gov/cia/publications/95fact/
> 
> This is the CIA world book for 1995, giving information about such things
> as demographics. From this source I have taken the following information:
> 
> Country       Population      Number of Euorpeans or 'whites'
> Botswana       1,392,414        14,000
> Gabon          1,155,749       100,000 (non-Gabonese and Europeans, including
>                                 27,000 French)
> Ivory Coast   14,791,257       between 130,000 and 330,000 non-Africans,
>                                mostly French and Lebanese)
> Kenya         28,817,227       290,000 (Asians, Europeans, Arabs)
> Tanzania      28,701,077       288,000 (Asians, Europeans, Arabs)
> Uganda        19,573,262       196,000 (Asians, Europeans, Arabs)
> Zambia         9,445,723       103,400 (European)



	You did this before.  A major proportionof the children born in Europe
today are from the third world.  It is ludicrous to compare these
miniscule part-percentages of whites with third worlders pouring into
Europe.
	Africa has the absolute minimum number of whites they have to have to
keep going, even at the present disastrou rate.  They pay through the
nose for those whites.
	Even the most fanatical PC clone admits every blacks country in  Africa
is a complete disaster.
	By the way, I notice you removed Zimbabwe from the last list you
posted.  Is that because, the last time you included it, I pointed out
it was four percent white when I left there and less than one percent
white now?
	What else have you "accidently" dropped out of your list and other
statements?




 
> As you can see, we are not dealing with a few thousand 'adventurer's.
> These are European populations comprising between one and three percent,
> the same order of magnitude we see for third-world immigration in European
> countries like Germany, Denmark, Great Britain, Finland, Italy, Norway.
> 
> Reciprocity is the name of the game.
> 
> >         In these terms,  your few thousand Europeans shifting around doesn't
> > mean a damn thing.
> 
> The orders of magnitude are about the same. Note that a century ago
> Europeans felt they had the right to move into Africa and establish their
> won cuyltutre at tyhe expense of indigenous ones. Africans are yewt to
> take such an arrogant stand with respect to Europe.
> 
> >         You have just said that your ongoing genocide against whites is OK
> > because 1) there's no such thing as a white race and
> 
> Yes. The 'White race' is a Fig Newton of our imagination, a nominalistic
> chimera.
> 
> > 2) the white race
> > deserves it.
> 
> Hmm. Why did Europeans 'bring civilization' to Africa if they didn't have
> the foresight to deal with the consequences? There's your much vaunted
> superior long-term planning ability for you!
> 
> One of the justifications for assuming the 'White man's burden' was to
> civilize Africans and 'make them more like us'. Now that they too want
> cellular 'phones, hogh-powered copmputers, and are in possession of the
> wealth and education to pay and benefit from these things, what is there
> to complain about?
> 
> >         What you also added was that, without the pressure of PC, little
> Europe
> > is just delighted to be overrun.  That's why you have anti-speech hate
> > laws and prison sentences.  Folks just love it so much they're
> > overenthusiastic.
> >         Do you actually BELIEVE any of this?
> >
> 
> Finland is not a straight-laced as Germany, and we do not have anti-free
> speech hate laws. You can get into trouble for publicly inciting hatred
> against racial groups, but this is a tolerant enough society for such
> things to happen rarely.



	Like leaving countries out of the above list, your little parenthetical
statement  is a perfect example of clone Doublethink.
	All hate laws, like most tyrannies, use the excuse "inciting the
masses" to justify anti-speech laws.   You said you have a hate law,
even while saying you don't.
	All white majority countries outside the United States have anti-speech
hate laws.
	These are the coutnries where you say your "free press" would point out
how absurd your Politically Correct selection of a black Miss
Finland(and Miss Netherlands, etc., in turn) actually is.
	I have a strong feeling that such an exposure would result in a charge
of "inciting the masses". 



> 
> We have spoken.
> 
> Eugene the Curly-headed
> King of alt.politics.white-power, Protector of our Aryan heritage,
> Defender of the English language, Scourge of racial purity, etc. etc. etc.


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G*rd*n wrote:
> 
> Clayton E. Cramer wrote:
> | > > Blow it out your ear (and whatever orifice is closest to your brain).
> | > > The goals of liberals in passing anti-discrimination laws are to
> | > > impose Christian morality on the population (while whining about it
> | > > in other contexts).  This obssession with "race-mixing" is recognition
> | > > of the fact that most people fall in love with PEOPLE not
> | > > representatives
> | > > of a race.
> 
> Bob Whitaker wrote:
> | > Another clone, another repeat:
> | >
> | >         As I explain to each of you clones in turn, my problem with your
> | > so-called  "colorblindness" is that, in terms of real world results, you
> | > are only interested in doing it in white majority countries.  You demand
> | > massive third world immigration into EVERY white majority country, and
> | > ONLY into white majority countries.  ...
> 
> cramer@dlcc.com:
> | I don't demand massive third world immigration at all.  ...



Another clone, another repeat.

You clones persist in the illusion that everybody here has not heard
your Political
Correctness until they can recite in their sleep.  We have heard your
whole PC routine
hundreds of times at public expense.
	You still think you're some kind of mystery, and it takes a mind reader
to get
behind your words.
	Undeceive yourself.




> 
> It doesn't matter to Bob.  I pointed out previously that
> most people aren't "demanding" immigration anywhere.





Another clone, another repeat, again:

	You clones persist in the illusion that everybody here has not heard
your Political
Correctness until they can recite in their sleep.  We have heard your
whole PC routine
hundreds of times at public expense.
	You still think you're some kind of mystery, and it takes a mind reader
to get
behind your words.
	Undeceive yourself.



  I
> could go on and point out that a lot of Europeans have
> migrated to other areas of the world in the last few
> centuries, and are continuing to do so.  But it wouldn't
> make any difference.  Bob is in a world of his own --
> a world in which Iceland is besieged by Moorish hordes.
> It's just our luck that the single line from his world
> to ours connects to the Internet.
> 
> So, Clayton, you're now in the same bag as bleeding-heart
> liberals, slavering anarchists, Commies, the Pope, and the
> aforementioned Moorish hordes.  I never thought I'd see
> it happen, but... !Bienvenidos!
> --
>    }"{    G*rd*n   }"{  gcf @ panix.com  }"{


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Philip Deitiker wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> 
> > You clones persist in the illusion that everybody here has not heard
> >your Political Correctness until they can recite in their sleep.  We
> >have heard your whole PC routine hundreds of times at public expense.
> > You still think you're some kind of mystery, and it takes a mind reader
> >to get behind your words. Undeceive yourself.
> 
> Bob, if all you have to add to this issue is your paranoid suspicions
> about a politcal correctness conspiracies, I suggest you move it to
> another thread and truncate the spam list.  The original issue of this
> thread revolves around the usefulness and defects of racial
> classifications, not your personal paranoid dillusions. The only
> person here who is decieved is yourselve, you can't answer any
> critiques of your statements, but you repeatedly devolve into this
> dribble. I cant speak for anyone else here, but I personally have
> never been accused, by anyone who has met me face to face, of being
> politcally correct (to the contrary, the opposite has been said), my
> neck is too red for that.
>   It might interest you, that some, here, actually have investigated
> some of these matters. The weight of some of these scientific issues
> demand their own interpretation. Neo-victorian neo-nazi dribble, while
> it was affective at clouding the issue 50 YA, is no-longer taken
> seriously by anyone who takes their data seriously.
> 
> >> During the post columbian period, europeans managed to settle,
> >> colonize and frequently displace all kinds of endemic populations
> >> world wide, with very little dilution of the population in europe. If
> >> we are to go buy you're thoughts I think we can do the following...
> >> Take all non-dravidian poeples in india and drive them back to the
> >> black sea. Take all non-native (or IE origin) americas, autstralians,
> >> africans and send them back to  europe. Then almost all europeans and
> >> move them back to the ukraine. Not to mention a good portion of
> >> persian, pakistani, afganistan, etc.
> 
> >       This is a cutesy way to say we're actually talking about "all races"
> >here.
> 
> I'm glad you enjoyed it. No, we are not talking about all races, I'm
> talking about persons who >50% IE (my personal unbiased definiton of
> what an IE is)
> 
> >               As I explain to each of you clones in turn, my problem with your
> >so-called "mixing" is that you are only interested in doing it in white
> >majority countries.  You demand massive third world immigration into
> >EVERY white majority country, and ONLY into white majority countries.
> >You demand your so-called "race" mixing, which is actually only *white*
> >mixing, and you use public moneyt for busing and "low-cost"(black)
> >housing to chase down any white excapees.
> 
> And like I told you, the only way your ever going to avoid this is
> move to a place were you are thosands of miles from non-whites. The
> only place that I know of in this world where you can do that is in
> central and eastern europe. If you live in the US i have VERY VERY
> LITTLE sympathy on you. According to the US constitution, which goes
> like this....'We hold these truths to be self evident that all men
> were created equal.....'. Now going by the definition of man as it is
> described in the bible, includes all semites which, from the genetic
> data, is inclusive of africans, asians and europeans.
> Since all these men are all equal, how can you restrict activities
> between these peoples? Now this has been on the books for >200 years,
> and anyone who ever went west without a spouse, imported slaves, or
> accepted the service of migrant farm workers must have anticipated
> that the outbreeding 'problem' was an inevititablility. If the
> outbreeding rate is low, say 5%/ generation, one has to anticipate
> that in 12.5% generations (about 250 years) the population is going to
> be pretty well mixed. The only real way of preventing  this is  (i.e.
> outbreeding rate < 1%) to restrict the movements of people to the
> extent any 'diverse' nation would forced into a new dark age.
>    There is but one real choice, those who desperately
> (pathologically) want to maintain racial separation emmigrate to the
> lands where that races relative frequency is the highest. For you I
> recommend Scandinavia, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Belo-rus and the
> Ukraine. Stay away from countries like spain, france, italy, greece,
> scotland, hungary, the baltic republics, lapland, southeastern europe,
> because these countries have extensive pre-columbian genetic
> contributions  from non-IE peoples. If you are negro-phobic, I
> definitely suggest that you stay away from the mediterranian.
>     I have no sympathy on your cause, you and your predescessors have
> had 200 years to figure this out and take corrective measure( leave or
> change the constitution) since neither of these has happen, by and
> large, I have to assume you're not that as strongly motivated in your
> cause as you lead people to believe.
> 
> >       Your so-called solution to the race problem is always only the final
> >solution to the white problem.
> 
> I have no solution to the race problem, I really don't care about
> race, and even if I did, people are going to do as they damn well
> please.  I don't think I can have any say in the directions which
> other people decide to procreate. Can you? Go to south Texas or New
> Mexico were the numbers of hybrid individuals outnumbers the combined
> numbers in the other groups, tell'em your story, and watch them kick
> your butt back to where it can from (or further).
>    If you take a look around the world where 2 populations have come
> into contact for long periods of time the result is a mixed
> population. The mixing is inevitable. Sorry. In some areas of the US
> the mixing is already approaching equilibrium. The only places in the
> world that can maintain 'racial' distinction are places in which the
> rate of selection and drift are greator than geneflow between adjacent
> populations. Thus the magnitude of absolute distinction is going to be
> inversely proportional to magnitude of differences between the
> adjacent populations. Again, in the US, one has migratory laborers and
> ex-slaves of extremely diverse origin diliberately interdispersed in
> the host population ('whites') by the hosts. And, No, bob, this ain't
> new, this started well before the invention of political correctness,
> it started when land owners brought in servants and slaves to do
> household chores.  Thus, the differences between whites and adjacent
> groups  are large and geographic distances resulting  inevitable
> hybridization and eventual genetic equalibrium.
>     If your ascestors were truley overwhelmed with the mixing problem,
> they probably should have never moved into areas (no, bob, we are not
> talking about apartment complexes) in which were  already genetically
> diverse. The only real solution for those who are obsessed with
> maintenance of racial purity is too literally move to a place were the
> genetic makeup of the _obsessed_  is closest to that of the population
> and that the population is relatively homogeneous. This is not a
> solution to your contrived 'white problem', it is the basic principle
> of breeding in close lines to maintain breed characterisitics. So if
> YOU desire to maintain distinct lineage, YOU must practice segregation
> to the extent that all your progeny and your progenies progeny will
> remain separated.    UNFORTUNATELY, there are only a few places in the
> world were _you_  will fit into that equation, and they aren't known
> for their elevated standards of living.
>    Finally, as I mentioned before there is no 'white problem'. This
> sounds like the so-called Jewish problem scenarios of the early 20th
> century. No one is trying to move the white race. As far as I know,
> no-one has contacted myself and suggest that myself or my relatives or
> friends move any place for any reason. As a matter of fact in our city
> our 'white' mayor wanted to incorperate a predominantly 'white' area
> in order to increase their participation in local politics, the
> annexees are reluctant in this regard. There are innumerable places in
> the US where one can move, unmolested, to areas of predominantly white
> makeup. Paternity testing of individuals indicate that there is a risk
> (~1% for the first birth, ~. 5% for each birth after that using female
> parent as standard) that hybridization will occur, despite the
> apparent voluntary separation.
>      Nonetheless,  the white 'race' is as sound as any other race;
> however, with the massive immigration which has occured over the last
> few hundred years, the equilibration of population diversity in many
> area are destined to produce hybrid populations. Sorry, but that's the
> way this genetic thing works. The price that one pays for being a
> conquerer is spreading ones genes to thin.



	you have set up a really silly straw man argument.  
	As a clone, you expect some Higher Authority to set up some Perfect
Racial Classification for you.
Another clone, another repeat:
	
	This would never occur to a Poltically Correct clone, but the way we
separate
races is to allow us to do our own separating.  Let us have our white
community, and you
can have your mixed community.
	Your answer is, no way, Jose.  You know exactly what would happen to
your
"there are no races" crap out in the real world.
	 The fact is that the entire PC proggram is for racial balance in ALL
white majority countries, and ONLY in white majority countries.  They
would not tolerate any whites being allowed to live to themselves,
anywhere on earth, and they have said so repeatedly.
	And for reason.  We all know what happens when whites are temporarily
allowed
to set up their own communities.  The Politically Correct get racial
balance and busing,
and out go the whites.  So the PC then use their money to set up
"low-cost"(black)
housing in the escapee communities, and busing again.   And the cycle
repeats.
	The one thing Politically Correct people can never subject their
policies to is the criterion of whether they actually WORK or not.  They
also cannot allow it to matter
whether any of their victims WANT what they are pushing or not.  Those
tests always fail.
	As a result, the invariable result of Politically Correct policy, from
busing to the Berlin Wall, is always a major effort at blocking any
escape attempt.
	I'll keep repeating this until all you clones hear it.









> 
> >       Don't worry, I'll keep repeating this until each and every one of you
> >clones has
> >heard it.
> 
> Still got your fingers in your ears, heh?
> I pulled the alt.anthropology from your spam line so those folks don't
> have to put up with your dribble. 
We can still carry on this
> conversation in alt.politics.clueless if it makes you feel any better.
> 
> Philip


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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Subject: Re: Are There Races?
Date: Fri, 06 Dec 1996 15:11:49 -0500
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Terry Hallinan wrote:
> 
> HASSMAN@sscl.uwo.ca wrote:
> 
> >In article <57et8f$n3r@ns2.borg.com> hallinan@borg.com (Terry Hallinan) writes:
> 
> >>>> Orientals?  You mean like the Ainu ("hairy ones") of Japan.  They are
> >>>> an indigenous people who were there when the Japanese we know best
> >>>> invaded.  Today this primitive people are best noted for their crafts
> >>>> and even have reservations.  They are characterized by light skin,
> >>>> blue eyes, and blonde hair - lots of it.
> 
> >>>       Liar.  They look Oriental.
> 
> >>LOL!
> 
> >>What does an "oriental" look like?
> 
> >I'm sorry, but I have seen Ainu people and they do not have "blond hair and
> >blue eyes"!  The best way to describe them is that most have black hair and
> >their eye-shape is what traditionally would be called "Asiatic," although
> >you're right such racial classifications are very arbitrary.  They basically
> >look Japanese (sorry again!) except their cheekbone-structure and body shape
> >are similar to the Aborigines of Australia, whom most theorists believe they
> >are distantly related to.
> 
> >Patrick
> 
> I took this from the web, Patrick, which has pictures which I do not
> have the capability to include.  I didn't see any that looked exactly
> like my wife but then she isn't a full-blooded Swede like her mother.
> :-}
> :
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> The Ainu are the aboriginal inhabitants of Japan; they have Caucasian
> features and a truly remarkable amount of hair. Like all aboriginal
> peoples, they've been treated abysmally by the encroaching newcomers,
> though in their  case it's been going on for centuries, if not
> millennia. They had an oral epic poetry, interesting traditions of
> textiles, tatooes and shamanism, and a truly peculiar bear-cult. Cubs
> would be brought young into a village,raised like a favored child
> (even breast-fed) and then politely,  ceremoniously,killed and eaten;
> the disposal of the bones, especially the skull, was uncannily like
> that of some European Neanderthals. Now-a-days they have what are
> essentially reservations on some of the northernmost
> islands, complete with Potemkin villages.
> 
> Best,   Terry
> 
> "Lawyer - One skilled in circumvention of the law"
>                                     - The Devil's Dictionary






This would never occur to a Poltically Correct clone, but the way we
separate
races is to allow us to do our own separating.  Let us have our white
community, and you
can have your mixed community.
	Your answer is, no way, Jose.  You know exactly what would happen to
your
"there are no races" crap out in the real world.
	 The fact is that the entire PC proggram is for racial balance in ALL
white majority countries, and ONLY in white majority countries.  They
would not tolerate any whites being allowed to live to themselves,
anywhere on earth, and they have said so repeatedly.
	And for reason.  We all know what happens when whites are temporarily
allowed
to set up their own communities.  The Politically Correct get racial
balance and busing,
and out go the whites.  So the PC then use their money to set up
"low-cost"(black)
housing in the escapee communities, and busing again.   And the cycle
repeats.
	The one thing Politically Correct people can never subject their
policies to is the criterion of whether they actually WORK or not.  They
also cannot allow it to matter
whether any of their victims WANT what they are pushing or not.  Those
tests always fail.
	As a result, the invariable result of Politically Correct policy, from
busing to the Berlin Wall, is always a major effort at blocking any
escape attempt.
	I'll keep repeating this until all you clones hear it.


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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Danny Low wrote:
> 
> Stig O'Tracy (smathesn@lis.ab.ca) wrote:
> : If race was strictly social, how could it be identified via hair samples, bone
> : fragments, etc?  And how could one tell Africans from Asians? Races exist as
> : physical and physiological traits which can be used to identify a distinct
> : grouping of people, and skin colour is but ONE identifying charecteristic.
> 
> It is a purely social convention. As late as the 1920's the English
> talked of the "Irish race" as a distinct racial group from the "English
> race". The "white" race is traditionally divided into three major
> races, Nordic (e.g. Germans, Scandinavians and English), Alpine (e.g. Slavs)
> and Mediterranean (e.g. Italians). There was a hierarchy associated with
> this racial classification of whites. Nordics were superior to Alpines
> who were superior to Mediterreans. Within the Nordic group, Anglo-Saxons
> were superior to the Irish and Welsh races. That is why the English
> were the rulers of Wales and Ireland. The ridiculousness of racial
> classification is obvious when you see how even whites were divided
> into races. The current fewer but broader racial classification is
> simply the attempt to maintain this social convention despite its
> lack of any scientific basis.
> 
> Look up the history of the eugenics movement in the USA and Canada.
> It was tied up with the whole concept of racial purity among
> specific groups of whites (pure Anglo-Saxon) to prevent lesser
> races such as the Irish from pollutting their gene pool.




	My problem with your so-called  "colorblindness" is that, in terms of
real world
results, you are only interested in doing it in white majority
countries.  You demand
massive third world immigration into EVERY white majority country, and
ONLY into
white majority countries.  You demand your so-called "race" mixing,
which is actually
only *white* mixing, and you use public money for busing and
"low-cost"(black) housing
to chase down any white esapees.
	Your so-called solution to the race problem is always only the final
solution to the white problem. 





> 
>                            Danny Low
>     "Question Authority and the Authorities will question You"
>            Valley of Hearts Delight, Silicon Valley
>              HP NSD   dlow@ppg01.sc.hp.com


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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Philip Deitiker wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> 
> > You clones persist in the illusion that everybody here has not heard
> >your Political Correctness until they can recite in their sleep.  We
> >have heard your whole PC routine hundreds of times at public expense.
> > You still think you're some kind of mystery, and it takes a mind reader
> >to get behind your words. Undeceive yourself.
> 
> Bob, if all you have to add to this issue is your paranoid suspicions
> about a politcal correctness conspiracies, I suggest you move it to
> another thread and truncate the spam list.  The original issue of this
> thread revolves around the usefulness and defects of racial
> classifications, not your personal paranoid dillusions. The only
> person here who is decieved is yourselve, you can't answer any
> critiques of your statements, but you repeatedly devolve into this
> dribble. I cant speak for anyone else here, but I personally have
> never been accused, by anyone who has met me face to face, of being
> politcally correct (to the contrary, the opposite has been said), my
> neck is too red for that.
>   It might interest you, that some, here, actually have investigated
> some of these matters. The weight of some of these scientific issues
> demand their own interpretation. Neo-victorian neo-nazi dribble, while
> it was affective at clouding the issue 50 YA, is no-longer taken
> seriously by anyone who takes their data seriously.
> 
> >> During the post columbian period, europeans managed to settle,
> >> colonize and frequently displace all kinds of endemic populations
> >> world wide, with very little dilution of the population in europe. If
> >> we are to go buy you're thoughts I think we can do the following...
> >> Take all non-dravidian poeples in india and drive them back to the
> >> black sea. Take all non-native (or IE origin) americas, autstralians,
> >> africans and send them back to  europe. Then almost all europeans and
> >> move them back to the ukraine. Not to mention a good portion of
> >> persian, pakistani, afganistan, etc.
> 
> >       This is a cutesy way to say we're actually talking about "all races"
> >here.
> 
> I'm glad you enjoyed it. No, we are not talking about all races, I'm
> talking about persons who >50% IE (my personal unbiased definiton of
> what an IE is)
> 
> >               As I explain to each of you clones in turn, my problem with your
> >so-called "mixing" is that you are only interested in doing it in white
> >majority countries.  You demand massive third world immigration into
> >EVERY white majority country, and ONLY into white majority countries.
> >You demand your so-called "race" mixing, which is actually only *white*
> >mixing, and you use public moneyt for busing and "low-cost"(black)
> >housing to chase down any white excapees.
> 
> And like I told you, the only way your ever going to avoid this is
> move to a place were you are thosands of miles from non-whites. The
> only place that I know of in this world where you can do that is in
> central and eastern europe. If you live in the US i have VERY VERY
> LITTLE sympathy on you. According to the US constitution, which goes
> like this....'We hold these truths to be self evident that all men
> were created equal.....'. 




The Constitution says nothing of the sort.  That was the Declaration  of
independence, aimed at getting the support of French liberals for the
Revolution
	The Declaration, written in 1776 in a desperate phase of war, was a
propaganda statement.   Nothing silly like that appeared in the
Constitution, the diocument written in peacetime to set up our own
actual government.  




Now going by the definition of man as it is
> described in the bible, includes all semites which, from the genetic
> data, is inclusive of africans, asians and europeans.
> Since all these men are all equal, how can you restrict activities
> between these peoples? Now this has been on the books for >200 years,
> and anyone who ever went west without a spouse, imported slaves, or
> accepted the service of migrant farm workers must have anticipated
> that the outbreeding 'problem' was an inevititablility. If the
> outbreeding rate is low, say 5%/ generation, one has to anticipate
> that in 12.5% generations (about 250 years) the population is going to
> be pretty well mixed. The only real way of preventing  this is  (i.e.
> outbreeding rate < 1%) to restrict the movements of people to the
> extent any 'diverse' nation would forced into a new dark age.
>    There is but one real choice, those who desperately
> (pathologically) want to maintain racial separation emmigrate to the
> lands where that races relative frequency is the highest.




Another clone, antoher repeat:

	As I explain to each of you clones in turn, my problem with your
so-called "color blindness" is that, in terms of real world results, you
are only interested in doing it in white majority countries.  You demand
massive third world immigration into EVERY white majority country, and
ONLY into white majority countries.  You demand your so-called "race"
mixing, which is actually only *white* mixing, and you use public money
for busing and "low-cost"(black) housing to chase down any white
excapees.
	Your so-called solution to the race problem is always only the final
solution to the white problem. 
	Let me repeat again: the operative word above, which you did not notice
because I only put in caos, was EVERY.






 For you I
> recommend Scandinavia, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Belo-rus and the
> Ukraine. Stay away from countries like spain, france, italy, greece,
> scotland, hungary, the baltic republics, lapland, southeastern europe,
> because these countries have extensive pre-columbian genetic
> contributions  from non-IE peoples. If you are negro-phobic, I
> definitely suggest that you stay away from the mediterranian.
>     I have no sympathy on your cause, you and your predescessors have
> had 200 years to figure this out and take corrective measure( leave or
> change the constitution) since neither of these has happen, by and
> large, I have to assume you're not that as strongly motivated in your
> cause as you lead people to believe.
> 
> >       Your so-called solution to the race problem is always only the final
> >solution to the white problem.
> 
> I have no solution to the race problem, I really don't care about
> race, and even if I did, people are going to do as they damn well
> please.  I don't think I can have any say in the directions which
> other people decide to procreate. Can you? Go to south Texas or New
> Mexico were the numbers of hybrid individuals outnumbers the combined
> numbers in the other groups, tell'em your story, and watch them kick
> your butt back to where it can from (or further).
>    If you take a look around the world where 2 populations have come
> into contact for long periods of time the result is a mixed
> population. The mixing is inevitable. Sorry. In some areas of the US
> the mixing is already approaching equilibrium. The only places in the
> world that can maintain 'racial' distinction are places in which the
> rate of selection and drift are greator than geneflow between adjacent
> populations. Thus the magnitude of absolute distinction is going to be
> inversely proportional to magnitude of differences between the
> adjacent populations. Again, in the US, one has migratory laborers and
> ex-slaves of extremely diverse origin diliberately interdispersed in
> the host population ('whites') by the hosts. And, No, bob, this ain't
> new, this started well before the invention of political correctness,
> it started when land owners brought in servants and slaves to do
> household chores.  Thus, the differences between whites and adjacent
> groups  are large and geographic distances resulting  inevitable
> hybridization and eventual genetic equalibrium.
>     If your ascestors were truley overwhelmed with the mixing problem,
> they probably should have never moved into areas (no, bob, we are not
> talking about apartment complexes) in which were  already genetically
> diverse. The only real solution for those who are obsessed with
> maintenance of racial purity is too literally move to a place were the
> genetic makeup of the _obsessed_  is closest to that of the population
> and that the population is relatively homogeneous. This is not a
> solution to your contrived 'white problem', it is the basic principle
> of breeding in close lines to maintain breed characterisitics. So if
> YOU desire to maintain distinct lineage, YOU must practice segregation
> to the extent that all your progeny and your progenies progeny will
> remain separated.    UNFORTUNATELY, there are only a few places in the
> world were _you_  will fit into that equation, and they aren't known
> for their elevated standards of living.
>    Finally, as I mentioned before there is no 'white problem'. This
> sounds like the so-called Jewish problem scenarios of the early 20th
> century. No one is trying to move the white race. As far as I know,
> no-one has contacted myself and suggest that myself or my relatives or
> friends move any place for any reason. As a matter of fact in our city
> our 'white' mayor wanted to incorperate a predominantly 'white' area
> in order to increase their participation in local politics, the
> annexees are reluctant in this regard. There are innumerable places in
> the US where one can move, unmolested, to areas of predominantly white
> makeup. Paternity testing of individuals indicate that there is a risk
> (~1% for the first birth, ~. 5% for each birth after that using female
> parent as standard) that hybridization will occur, despite the
> apparent voluntary separation.
>      Nonetheless,  the white 'race' is as sound as any other race;
> however, with the massive immigration which has occured over the last
> few hundred years, the equilibration of population diversity in many
> area are destined to produce hybrid populations. Sorry, but that's the
> way this genetic thing works. The price that one pays for being a
> conquerer is spreading ones genes to thin.
> 
> >       Don't worry, I'll keep repeating this until each and every one of you
> >clones has
> >heard it.
> 
> Still got your fingers in your ears, heh?
> I pulled the alt.anthropology from your spam line so those folks don't
> have to put up with your dribble. We can still carry on this
> conversation in alt.politics.clueless if it makes you feel any better.
> 
> Philip


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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Phil Nicholls wrote:
> 
> Recently, on sci.anthropology, Bob Whitaker 
> wrote:
> 
> >Phil Nicholls wrote:
> >>
> >> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> >>
> >> >       As I keep repeating, you are saying that the fact that Scientific
> >> >Antropoly at any moment is ALWAYS politically correct just happens to be
> >> >one of the great happy perfect coincidences of human history.  I think
> >> >that's absurd.
> >>
> >> Well, Bob, the fact that you continue to repeat something does not
> >> make it more true.   You seem to regard any kind of critique of
> >> western culture as "political correctness, "  rather than the more
> >> narrow usage of that term popularized by D'Souza and others.
> 
> >> Scientific Anthropology is always engaged in cultural critique because
> >> that is one of the two things it is supposed to do.
> >
> >       "Cultural critique", my ass!
> 
> Ok.
>  Your an ass.
> End of cultural critique.
> 
> > You're trying to get his back into the cliches you're used to. I didn't
> > say a damned thing about "cultural critique".  I said the whore
> > "anthropology" goes along with absolutely anything the establishment
> > wants to believe about race, when the establishment wants to believe it.
> 
> In 1911 Boas published _The Mind of Primitive Man_.  One of the ideas
> put forth in that book was that the range of cultures associated with
> any one "race" demonstrated that it was impossible to link together
> race and culture and that it is impossible to speak of inferior and
> superior races.   Please note that this was not an attack on the
> concept of race itself but an attack on racism.
> 
> In 1911 racism was deeply ingrained on "the establishment," in the
> United States.  Legal segregation existed in the North and South and
> popular authors wrote lengthy essays on the "yellow peril" and touted
> the superiority of western civilization and culture.
> 
> Please, Bob, tell he, in what way was Boas sucking up the
> establishment.
> 
> >>
> >> >       As I keep repeating, Franz Boas went from a bit a joke to
> >> >anthropologists in 1939 to The Only True Anthropologist in 1945.  By a
> >> >happy coincidence, there was a war in that period, which made the Boas
> >> >conclusion de rigeur if Scientific Anthropology was to reamin
> >> >Politically Correct.
> >>
> >> Again, repetition does not improve truth content.
> >>
> >> Franz Boas established the first department of anthropology in the
> >> America in 1888.   In 1892 he was the chief assistant in anthropology
> >> at the Chicago Exposition.  The Field Museum in Chicago grew out of
> >> that exposition.   Between 1901 and 1905 he was curator of
> >> anthropology at the American Museum of Natural History.   In 1910 he
> >> established the Internation School of Amercian Archaeology and
> >> Ethnology.  By 1936 he had retired and he died in 1942.
> >>
> >> By 1945 American Anthropology had moved well beyond Boas.  Boas shaped
> >> the early years of anthopology in this country.  At no time was he
> >> regarded as a joke nor was he every regarded as the ONLY
> >> anthropologists.   By 1945 Alfred Kroeber,  Robert H. Lowie, Edward
> >> Sapir, Ruth Benedict, Ralph Linton and Leslie White AND MANY OTHERS
> >> had all made their marks on American anthropology with ideas very
> >> different from those of Boas.
> >
> >The pressure hadn't been put on yet.  I knew Carleton Coon and his
> >descriptions of your Polticial Correctness in action were most
> >enlightening.
> 
> Interesting.  When was this "pressure" applied, Bob?   Why is there no
> explanation the error in your chronology about Boas.
> 
> Bob, I have actually read much of Coon's work and as far as I am
> concerned  Coon was ill-treated by anthropology and by some
> anthropologists.   Milford Wolpoff's multi-regional hypothesis of
> human origins is based in no small part on Coon's work.
> 
> I will go even farther.   I can remember the backlash against
> sociobiology by cultural anthropologists and only a fool would believe
> that this was not about the politics of cultural anthropology and it's
> rejection of anything it say as biological determinism.
> 
> I remember being part of the graduate student faculty search committee
> and how any physical anthropologists whose work suggested any sympathy
> to sociobiology was immediately rejected.
> 
> I can also tell you about Vincint Sarich's class at UC Berkeley being
> disrupted by individuals who are uncomfortable about the questions he
> asks and being labeled a  racist for asking them.
> 
> Bob, what you are doing is exactly the same as what those students and
> anthropologists did.   They label anyone who disagrees with them a
> bigot, a racists, a biological determinist.
> 
> You label everyone who disagrees with you a "PC Clone."
> 
> How very sad that you have become the thing you hate.
> 
> Phil Nicholls
> pnich@digiworldinc.com
> "To ask a question, you must first know
>   most of the answer."  Robert Sheckley



	You're making excellent points, but I am afraid that the allowance
given to heresy early in the centruy is simply no longer the case in
anthropolgy.  What you say about the suppresion of sociobiology and of
Carleton Coon has been repeatedly and loudly denied by the PC clones in
this newsgroup.
	If I had not kept shouting, you would not have said what you said in
this newsgroup.
	The simple fact of the matter is that in this day and age, one must
call the PC clones repeatedly, because there is no countervailing force
inside the academy.


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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Clayton E. Cramer wrote:
> 
> Danny Low wrote:
> > Look up the history of the eugenics movement in the USA and Canada.
> > It was tied up with the whole concept of racial purity among
> > specific groups of whites (pure Anglo-Saxon) to prevent lesser
> > races such as the Irish from pollutting their gene pool.
> >
> >                            Danny Low
> 
> And much of this division is surprisingly recent.  William
> Stanton's _The Leopard's Spots: Scientific Attitudes Toward
> Race in America 1815-59_ (University of Chicago Press, 1960)
> and Reginald Horsman's _Race and Manifest Destiny: The
> Origins of Racial Anglo-Saxonism_ (Harvard University Press,
> 1981) are interesting examinations of how the notions of
> white superiority (and consequently, white supremacy)
> developed.  This was a result of the need to justify
> black slavery and the Mexican War; the resurgence of
> nationalism because of the Romantic movement; and the
> emerging sciences of phrenology and pre-Darwinian evolution.



	My problem with your so-called  "colorblindness" is that, in terms of
real world
results, you are only interested in doing it in white majority
countries.  You demand
massive third world immigration into EVERY white majority country, and
ONLY into
white majority countries.  You demand your so-called "race" mixing,
which is actually
only *white* mixing, and you use public money for busing and
"low-cost"(black) housing
to chase down any white escapees.
	Your so-called solution to the race problem is always only the final
solution to the white problem. 







> --
> Clayton E. Cramer   Technical Marketing Manager, Diamond Lane
> Communications
> email: cramer@dlcc.com web page: http://www.cs.sonoma.edu/~cramerc
> Opinions are strictly my own; DLCC doesn't pay me for non-technical
> opinions.


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Clayton E. Cramer wrote:
> 
> Terry Hallinan wrote:
> >
> > "Clayton E. Cramer"  wrote:
> >
> > >...William
> > >Stanton's _The Leopard's Spots: Scientific Attitudes Toward
> > >Race in America 1815-59_ (University of Chicago Press, 1960)
> > >and Reginald Horsman's _Race and Manifest Destiny: The
> > >Origins of Racial Anglo-Saxonism_ (Harvard University Press,
> > >1981) are interesting examinations of how the notions of
> > >white superiority (and consequently, white supremacy)
> > >developed.  This was a result of the need to justify
> > >black slavery and the Mexican War; the resurgence of
> > >nationalism because of the Romantic movement; and the
> > >emerging sciences of phrenology and pre-Darwinian evolution.
> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >
> > >Clayton E. Cramer   Technical Marketing Manager, Diamond Lane
> > >Communications
> > >email: cramer@dlcc.com web page: http://www.cs.sonoma.edu/~cramerc
> > >Opinions are strictly my own; DLCC doesn't pay me for non-technical
> > >opinions.
> >
> > Care to expand on this, Clayton?
> >
> > Best,   Terry
> 
> Sure.  Phrenology was the science of determining personality and
> intelligence from the shape and size of a person's skull.  We
> can laugh today, but serious scientists believed it very strongly
> then.  At first glance, with what was then known of the human
> brain, the idea wasn't *completely* silly.
> 
> Pre-Darwinian evolution: Darwin came up with the first theory
> that wasn't obviously full of holes.  There were earlier
> naturalists and scientists pushing other theories to explain
> the diversity of life, some of which are well remembered, such
> as Lamarck's acquired characteristics theory.  Others are mere
> footnotes in scientific history today.  One thing that all
> these theories had in common was that a LOT of time was needed
> to explain the divergence of humans into the variety that was
> readily visible.
> 
> Opponents of these evolutionary theories tended to be prominent
> Creationists, and often argued that evolutionary theories of
> human races, because they argued for black inferiority, assumed
> enormous periods of time for whites and blacks to have come out
> in such different conditions.  For example, the son of the
> Wilberforce who finally got slavery abolished in the British
> Empire, was also one of the principal opponents of Darwinian
> evolution, because he correctly believed that Darwin's
> evolutionary theory would be used as the earlier ones of the
> 19th century had been used -- to argue for black inferiority.
> 
> Social Darwinism was used to argue that class distinctions
> in Victorian England represented "survival of the fittest"
> in economic terms -- even though such noted Social Darwinists
> as Sir Cyril Burt stated that based on intelligence, at
> least 40% of British society was in the wrong class.  This
> same set of theories and assumptions, not surprisingly,
> coincided nicely with the emerging imperialist expansion of
> the European powers to justify white control of much of the
> world.  Hitler, of course, took this idea a good bit beyond
> "the white man's burden," and brought it together with
> a post-Christian totalitarian ideology to justify exterminating
> the "subhuman" races -- at least the ones that weren't his
> allies.
> 
> In this country, eugenics in its humane form led to all sorts
> of sterilization laws.  Isn't there a famous Supreme Court
> decision from the 1920s by the noted liberal Oliver Wendell
> Holmes, Jr., upholding a state law requiring mandatory
> sterilization of idiots: "Three generations of idiots is
> enough"?  A friend of mine who teaches at Yale recently
> ran into an embarrassing quote from Saint Margaret Sanger
> in the early 1920s, when she was arguing for mandatory
> sterilization of Southern European immigrants to prevent
> the genetic destruction of America.
> --
> Clayton E. Cramer   Technical Marketing Manager, Diamond Lane
> Communications
> email: cramer@dlcc.com web page: http://www.cs.sonoma.edu/~cramerc
> Opinions are strictly my own; DLCC doesn't pay me for non-technical
> opinions.



	You're right about one thing: "modern" doctrines do get silly with
time.

	My problem with your so-called  "colorblindness" is that, in terms of
real world
results, you are only interested in doing it in white majority
countries.  You demand
massive third world immigration into EVERY white majority country, and
ONLY into
white majority countries.  You demand your so-called "race" mixing,
which is actually
only *white* mixing, and you use public money for busing and
"low-cost"(black) housing
to chase down any white escapees.
	Your so-called solution to the race problem is always only the final
solution to the white problem.


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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Joe Clark wrote:
> 
> > Brian Smith (sbrian@micron.net) wrote:
> > : What is called "arabic numerals" is a number system developed in Aryan
> > : India around 3rd century B.C.
> >
> > Nonsense. "Aryan India" is a figment of your imagination.
> >                 Love, Jim Walsh
> 
> The first Indo-European settlers in the areas now known as Iran and India
> *were* know as Aryans. They were not, however, aryan in the same sense
> Brian means (i.e., blond blue-eyed high-browed pale-skinned white people).
> Brian Smith is again quoting from his Nazional Alliance propaganda
> leaflets that explain every aspect of life from the point-of-view that
> makes naziism seem the most valuable.




	Now we all know that the clone lineis that you can't tell anything
about anybody racially from their bones.  Now we are informed waht the
eye-color of the original Indo-Europeans was.
	Good old clone Doublethink!


From bwhit@conterra.com Sat Dec  7 10:39:37 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Indigo Jo wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 3 Dec 1996, Bob Whitaker wrote:
> 
> 
> >       There is nothing more Politically Correct than a conservative who is
> > desperate to be a "respectable" conservative.
> >       I have discussed you "respectable" conservatives at some length in my
> > books(one
> > is in your library now).
> >       Liberals set the standards for conservative "respectability".   To be
> > respectable, one can be as conservative as he wants to on budgets and so
> > forth.   But on things that really matter to liberals, like immigration
> > and integration, he has to be more fanatical than the liberals.
> >        Jack Kemp, during the 1994 and 1996 elections, destroyed his
> > credibility with the Republican base, because he tried to desperately to
> > be popular with the national media and other liberals.
> >       Backing things that are really important to liberals is the job of
> > respectable
> > conservatives.
> >        I've been dealing with monomaniacally respectable conservatives like
> > you for
> > decades, and I've said what I just said repeatedly.  But saying you a
> > conservative and that makes immigration and integration in ALL white
> > countries and ONLY white countries a
> > good policy is an old, old tactic.
> >       As I say, it's your function as a respectable conservative.
> >       Don't worry, I'll keep repeating this until each of you anti-white
> > "respectable"
> > conservatives has heard me.
> 
> Hate to burst your paranoid Nazi bubble Mr Whittaker but the USA has never
> been a white country, not even when it was first formed (on the graveyard
> of hundreds of thousands of murdered Native Americans).   You white
> Americans only have yourselves to blame if you consider the blacks per se
> to be a social problem, because you brought them over for slave labour.
> As for "integration" all it means is giving black people their rights and
> allowing them to work in the same jobs, buy stuff from the same shops etc
> as whites and why shouldn't they?   They didn't choose to come to the USA,
> they were forced to come in chains.   And if the KKK and more recent white
> supremacists are shining examples of your wonderful civilisation Mr
> Whittaker, I'm glad my ancestors stayed at home!


	Me, too!




 
> Mat
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From bwhit@conterra.com Sat Dec  7 10:52:26 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Philip Deitiker wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> 
> > You clones persist in the illusion that everybody here has not heard
> >your Political Correctness until they can recite in their sleep.  We
> >have heard your whole PC routine hundreds of times at public expense.
> > You still think you're some kind of mystery, and it takes a mind reader
> >to get behind your words. Undeceive yourself.
> 
> Bob, if all you have to add to this issue is your paranoid suspicions
> about a politcal correctness conspiracies, I suggest you move it to
> another thread and truncate the spam list.  The original issue of this
> thread revolves around the usefulness and defects of racial
> classifications, not your personal paranoid dillusions. The only
> person here who is decieved is yourselve, you can't answer any
> critiques of your statements, but you repeatedly devolve into this
> dribble. I cant speak for anyone else here, but I personally have
> never been accused, by anyone who has met me face to face, of being
> politcally correct (to the contrary, the opposite has been said), my
> neck is too red for that.
>   It might interest you, that some, here, actually have investigated
> some of these matters. The weight of some of these scientific issues
> demand their own interpretation. Neo-victorian neo-nazi dribble, while
> it was affective at clouding the issue 50 YA, is no-longer taken
> seriously by anyone who takes their data seriously.
> 
> >> During the post columbian period, europeans managed to settle,
> >> colonize and frequently displace all kinds of endemic populations
> >> world wide, with very little dilution of the population in europe. If
> >> we are to go buy you're thoughts I think we can do the following...
> >> Take all non-dravidian poeples in india and drive them back to the
> >> black sea. Take all non-native (or IE origin) americas, autstralians,
> >> africans and send them back to  europe. Then almost all europeans and
> >> move them back to the ukraine. Not to mention a good portion of
> >> persian, pakistani, afganistan, etc.
> 
> >       This is a cutesy way to say we're actually talking about "all races"
> >here.
> 
> I'm glad you enjoyed it. No, we are not talking about all races, I'm
> talking about persons who >50% IE (my personal unbiased definiton of
> what an IE is)
> 
> >               As I explain to each of you clones in turn, my problem with your
> >so-called "mixing" is that you are only interested in doing it in white
> >majority countries.  You demand massive third world immigration into
> >EVERY white majority country, and ONLY into white majority countries.
> >You demand your so-called "race" mixing, which is actually only *white*
> >mixing, and you use public moneyt for busing and "low-cost"(black)
> >housing to chase down any white excapees.
> 
> And like I told you, the only way your ever going to avoid this is
> move to a place were you are thosands of miles from non-whites. The
> only place that I know of in this world where you can do that is in
> central and eastern europe. If you live in the US i have VERY VERY
> LITTLE sympathy on you. According to the US constitution, which goes
> like this....'We hold these truths to be self evident that all men
> were created equal.....'. Now going by the definition of man as it is
> described in the bible, includes all semites which, from the genetic
> data, is inclusive of africans, asians and europeans.
> Since all these men are all equal, how can you restrict activities
> between these peoples? Now this has been on the books for >200 years,
> and anyone who ever went west without a spouse, imported slaves, or
> accepted the service of migrant farm workers must have anticipated
> that the outbreeding 'problem' was an inevititablility. If the
> outbreeding rate is low, say 5%/ generation, one has to anticipate
> that in 12.5% generations (about 250 years) the population is going to
> be pretty well mixed. The only real way of preventing  this is  (i.e.
> outbreeding rate < 1%) to restrict the movements of people to the
> extent any 'diverse' nation would forced into a new dark age.
>    There is but one real choice, those who desperately
> (pathologically) want to maintain racial separation emmigrate to the
> lands where that races relative frequency is the highest. For you I
> recommend Scandinavia, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Belo-rus and the
> Ukraine. Stay away from countries like spain, france, italy, greece,
> scotland, hungary, the baltic republics, lapland, southeastern europe,
> because these countries have extensive pre-columbian genetic
> contributions  from non-IE peoples. If you are negro-phobic, I
> definitely suggest that you stay away from the mediterranian.
>     I have no sympathy on your cause, you and your predescessors have
> had 200 years to figure this out and take corrective measure( leave or
> change the constitution) since neither of these has happen, by and
> large, I have to assume you're not that as strongly motivated in your
> cause as you lead people to believe.
> 
> >       Your so-called solution to the race problem is always only the final
> >solution to the white problem.
> 
> I have no solution to the race problem, I really don't care about
> race, and even if I did, people are going to do as they damn well
> please.  I don't think I can have any say in the directions which
> other people decide to procreate. Can you? Go to south Texas or New
> Mexico were the numbers of hybrid individuals outnumbers the combined
> numbers in the other groups, tell'em your story, and watch them kick
> your butt back to where it can from (or further).
>    If you take a look around the world where 2 populations have come
> into contact for long periods of time the result is a mixed
> population. The mixing is inevitable. Sorry. In some areas of the US
> the mixing is already approaching equilibrium. The only places in the
> world that can maintain 'racial' distinction are places in which the
> rate of selection and drift are greator than geneflow between adjacent
> populations. Thus the magnitude of absolute distinction is going to be
> inversely proportional to magnitude of differences between the
> adjacent populations. Again, in the US, one has migratory laborers and
> ex-slaves of extremely diverse origin diliberately interdispersed in
> the host population ('whites') by the hosts. And, No, bob, this ain't
> new, this started well before the invention of political correctness,
> it started when land owners brought in servants and slaves to do
> household chores.  Thus, the differences between whites and adjacent
> groups  are large and geographic distances resulting  inevitable
> hybridization and eventual genetic equalibrium.
>     If your ascestors were truley overwhelmed with the mixing problem,
> they probably should have never moved into areas (no, bob, we are not
> talking about apartment complexes) in which were  already genetically
> diverse. The only real solution for those who are obsessed with
> maintenance of racial purity is too literally move to a place were the
> genetic makeup of the _obsessed_  is closest to that of the population
> and that the population is relatively homogeneous. This is not a
> solution to your contrived 'white problem', it is the basic principle
> of breeding in close lines to maintain breed characterisitics. So if
> YOU desire to maintain distinct lineage, YOU must practice segregation
> to the extent that all your progeny and your progenies progeny will
> remain separated.    UNFORTUNATELY, there are only a few places in the
> world were _you_  will fit into that equation, and they aren't known
> for their elevated standards of living.
>    Finally, as I mentioned before there is no 'white problem'. This
> sounds like the so-called Jewish problem scenarios of the early 20th
> century. No one is trying to move the white race. As far as I know,
> no-one has contacted myself and suggest that myself or my relatives or
> friends move any place for any reason. As a matter of fact in our city
> our 'white' mayor wanted to incorperate a predominantly 'white' area
> in order to increase their participation in local politics, the
> annexees are reluctant in this regard. There are innumerable places in
> the US where one can move, unmolested, to areas of predominantly white
> makeup. Paternity testing of individuals indicate that there is a risk
> (~1% for the first birth, ~. 5% for each birth after that using female
> parent as standard) that hybridization will occur, despite the
> apparent voluntary separation.
>      Nonetheless,  the white 'race' is as sound as any other race;
> however, with the massive immigration which has occured over the last
> few hundred years, the equilibration of population diversity in many
> area are destined to produce hybrid populations. Sorry, but that's the
> way this genetic thing works. The price that one pays for being a
> conquerer is spreading ones genes to thin.



	you have set up a really silly straw man argument.  
	As a clone, you expect some Higher Authority to set up some Perfect
Racial Classification for you.
Another clone, another repeat:
	
	This would never occur to a Poltically Correct clone, but the way we
separate
races is to allow us to do our own separating.  Let us have our white
community, and you
can have your mixed community.
	Your answer is, no way, Jose.  You know exactly what would happen to
your
"there are no races" crap out in the real world.
	 The fact is that the entire PC proggram is for racial balance in ALL
white majority countries, and ONLY in white majority countries.  They
would not tolerate any whites being allowed to live to themselves,
anywhere on earth, and they have said so repeatedly.
	And for reason.  We all know what happens when whites are temporarily
allowed
to set up their own communities.  The Politically Correct get racial
balance and busing,
and out go the whites.  So the PC then use their money to set up
"low-cost"(black)
housing in the escapee communities, and busing again.   And the cycle
repeats.
	The one thing Politically Correct people can never subject their
policies to is the criterion of whether they actually WORK or not.  They
also cannot allow it to matter
whether any of their victims WANT what they are pushing or not.  Those
tests always fail.
	As a result, the invariable result of Politically Correct policy, from
busing to the Berlin Wall, is always a major effort at blocking any
escape attempt.
	I'll keep repeating this until all you clones hear it.









> 
> >       Don't worry, I'll keep repeating this until each and every one of you
> >clones has
> >heard it.
> 
> Still got your fingers in your ears, heh?
> I pulled the alt.anthropology from your spam line so those folks don't
> have to put up with your dribble. 
We can still carry on this
> conversation in alt.politics.clueless if it makes you feel any better.
> 
> Philip


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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Philip Deitiker wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> 
> > You clones persist in the illusion that everybody here has not heard
> >your Political Correctness until they can recite in their sleep.  We
> >have heard your whole PC routine hundreds of times at public expense.
> > You still think you're some kind of mystery, and it takes a mind reader
> >to get behind your words. Undeceive yourself.
> 
> Bob, if all you have to add to this issue is your paranoid suspicions
> about a politcal correctness conspiracies, I suggest you move it to
> another thread and truncate the spam list.  The original issue of this
> thread revolves around the usefulness and defects of racial
> classifications, not your personal paranoid dillusions. The only
> person here who is decieved is yourselve, you can't answer any
> critiques of your statements, but you repeatedly devolve into this
> dribble. I cant speak for anyone else here, but I personally have
> never been accused, by anyone who has met me face to face, of being
> politcally correct (to the contrary, the opposite has been said), my
> neck is too red for that.
>   It might interest you, that some, here, actually have investigated
> some of these matters. The weight of some of these scientific issues
> demand their own interpretation. Neo-victorian neo-nazi dribble, while
> it was affective at clouding the issue 50 YA, is no-longer taken
> seriously by anyone who takes their data seriously.
> 
> >> During the post columbian period, europeans managed to settle,
> >> colonize and frequently displace all kinds of endemic populations
> >> world wide, with very little dilution of the population in europe. If
> >> we are to go buy you're thoughts I think we can do the following...
> >> Take all non-dravidian poeples in india and drive them back to the
> >> black sea. Take all non-native (or IE origin) americas, autstralians,
> >> africans and send them back to  europe. Then almost all europeans and
> >> move them back to the ukraine. Not to mention a good portion of
> >> persian, pakistani, afganistan, etc.
> 
> >       This is a cutesy way to say we're actually talking about "all races"
> >here.
> 
> I'm glad you enjoyed it. No, we are not talking about all races, I'm
> talking about persons who >50% IE (my personal unbiased definiton of
> what an IE is)
> 
> >               As I explain to each of you clones in turn, my problem with your
> >so-called "mixing" is that you are only interested in doing it in white
> >majority countries.  You demand massive third world immigration into
> >EVERY white majority country, and ONLY into white majority countries.
> >You demand your so-called "race" mixing, which is actually only *white*
> >mixing, and you use public moneyt for busing and "low-cost"(black)
> >housing to chase down any white excapees.
> 
> And like I told you, the only way your ever going to avoid this is
> move to a place were you are thosands of miles from non-whites. The
> only place that I know of in this world where you can do that is in
> central and eastern europe. If you live in the US i have VERY VERY
> LITTLE sympathy on you. According to the US constitution, which goes
> like this....'We hold these truths to be self evident that all men
> were created equal.....'. 




The Constitution says nothing of the sort.  That was the Declaration  of
independence, aimed at getting the support of French liberals for the
Revolution
	The Declaration, written in 1776 in a desperate phase of war, was a
propaganda statement.   Nothing silly like that appeared in the
Constitution, the diocument written in peacetime to set up our own
actual government.  




Now going by the definition of man as it is
> described in the bible, includes all semites which, from the genetic
> data, is inclusive of africans, asians and europeans.
> Since all these men are all equal, how can you restrict activities
> between these peoples? Now this has been on the books for >200 years,
> and anyone who ever went west without a spouse, imported slaves, or
> accepted the service of migrant farm workers must have anticipated
> that the outbreeding 'problem' was an inevititablility. If the
> outbreeding rate is low, say 5%/ generation, one has to anticipate
> that in 12.5% generations (about 250 years) the population is going to
> be pretty well mixed. The only real way of preventing  this is  (i.e.
> outbreeding rate < 1%) to restrict the movements of people to the
> extent any 'diverse' nation would forced into a new dark age.
>    There is but one real choice, those who desperately
> (pathologically) want to maintain racial separation emmigrate to the
> lands where that races relative frequency is the highest.




Another clone, antoher repeat:

	As I explain to each of you clones in turn, my problem with your
so-called "color blindness" is that, in terms of real world results, you
are only interested in doing it in white majority countries.  You demand
massive third world immigration into EVERY white majority country, and
ONLY into white majority countries.  You demand your so-called "race"
mixing, which is actually only *white* mixing, and you use public money
for busing and "low-cost"(black) housing to chase down any white
excapees.
	Your so-called solution to the race problem is always only the final
solution to the white problem. 
	Let me repeat again: the operative word above, which you did not notice
because I only put in caos, was EVERY.






 For you I
> recommend Scandinavia, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Belo-rus and the
> Ukraine. Stay away from countries like spain, france, italy, greece,
> scotland, hungary, the baltic republics, lapland, southeastern europe,
> because these countries have extensive pre-columbian genetic
> contributions  from non-IE peoples. If you are negro-phobic, I
> definitely suggest that you stay away from the mediterranian.
>     I have no sympathy on your cause, you and your predescessors have
> had 200 years to figure this out and take corrective measure( leave or
> change the constitution) since neither of these has happen, by and
> large, I have to assume you're not that as strongly motivated in your
> cause as you lead people to believe.
> 
> >       Your so-called solution to the race problem is always only the final
> >solution to the white problem.
> 
> I have no solution to the race problem, I really don't care about
> race, and even if I did, people are going to do as they damn well
> please.  I don't think I can have any say in the directions which
> other people decide to procreate. Can you? Go to south Texas or New
> Mexico were the numbers of hybrid individuals outnumbers the combined
> numbers in the other groups, tell'em your story, and watch them kick
> your butt back to where it can from (or further).
>    If you take a look around the world where 2 populations have come
> into contact for long periods of time the result is a mixed
> population. The mixing is inevitable. Sorry. In some areas of the US
> the mixing is already approaching equilibrium. The only places in the
> world that can maintain 'racial' distinction are places in which the
> rate of selection and drift are greator than geneflow between adjacent
> populations. Thus the magnitude of absolute distinction is going to be
> inversely proportional to magnitude of differences between the
> adjacent populations. Again, in the US, one has migratory laborers and
> ex-slaves of extremely diverse origin diliberately interdispersed in
> the host population ('whites') by the hosts. And, No, bob, this ain't
> new, this started well before the invention of political correctness,
> it started when land owners brought in servants and slaves to do
> household chores.  Thus, the differences between whites and adjacent
> groups  are large and geographic distances resulting  inevitable
> hybridization and eventual genetic equalibrium.
>     If your ascestors were truley overwhelmed with the mixing problem,
> they probably should have never moved into areas (no, bob, we are not
> talking about apartment complexes) in which were  already genetically
> diverse. The only real solution for those who are obsessed with
> maintenance of racial purity is too literally move to a place were the
> genetic makeup of the _obsessed_  is closest to that of the population
> and that the population is relatively homogeneous. This is not a
> solution to your contrived 'white problem', it is the basic principle
> of breeding in close lines to maintain breed characterisitics. So if
> YOU desire to maintain distinct lineage, YOU must practice segregation
> to the extent that all your progeny and your progenies progeny will
> remain separated.    UNFORTUNATELY, there are only a few places in the
> world were _you_  will fit into that equation, and they aren't known
> for their elevated standards of living.
>    Finally, as I mentioned before there is no 'white problem'. This
> sounds like the so-called Jewish problem scenarios of the early 20th
> century. No one is trying to move the white race. As far as I know,
> no-one has contacted myself and suggest that myself or my relatives or
> friends move any place for any reason. As a matter of fact in our city
> our 'white' mayor wanted to incorperate a predominantly 'white' area
> in order to increase their participation in local politics, the
> annexees are reluctant in this regard. There are innumerable places in
> the US where one can move, unmolested, to areas of predominantly white
> makeup. Paternity testing of individuals indicate that there is a risk
> (~1% for the first birth, ~. 5% for each birth after that using female
> parent as standard) that hybridization will occur, despite the
> apparent voluntary separation.
>      Nonetheless,  the white 'race' is as sound as any other race;
> however, with the massive immigration which has occured over the last
> few hundred years, the equilibration of population diversity in many
> area are destined to produce hybrid populations. Sorry, but that's the
> way this genetic thing works. The price that one pays for being a
> conquerer is spreading ones genes to thin.
> 
> >       Don't worry, I'll keep repeating this until each and every one of you
> >clones has
> >heard it.
> 
> Still got your fingers in your ears, heh?
> I pulled the alt.anthropology from your spam line so those folks don't
> have to put up with your dribble. We can still carry on this
> conversation in alt.politics.clueless if it makes you feel any better.
> 
> Philip


From bwhit@conterra.com Sat Dec  7 10:52:29 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Philip Kasiecki wrote:
> 
> In article ,
> Troll Varange (varange@crl.com) wrote:
> : Bob Whitaker   writing in
> : <32A5B470.678B@conterra.com> said:
> : > My problem with the PC clones' so-called "color blindness" is
> : > that, in terms of real world results, They are only interested
> : > in doing it in white majority countries.  They demand massive
> : > third world immigration into EVERY white majority country, and
> : > ONLY into white majority countries.  They demand their so-called
> : > "race" mixing, which is actually only *white* mixing, and use
> : > public money for busing and "low-cost"(black) housing to chase
> : > down any white excapees.  Their so-called solution to the race
> : > problem is always only the final solution to the *white* problem.
> 
> :       Indeed.  Are they pressuring the well-off Asian areas of
> :       Hong Kong, Singapore and Japan to allow free immigration
> :       from Nigeria, Rwanda, Kenya, Bangladesh, Haiti, and
> :       other impoverished countries of where many citizens wish
> :       to emmigrate?
> 
>     I challenge Both Bob Whitaker and Troy Varange to cite a post where
> anyone has done what they are accusing people of.
> 
>         Phil "another one lying about the words of others- or is he
> simply Whitaker forging a post?" Kasiecki
> 
> --
> Philip T. Kasiecki
> Electrical and Computer Engineering
> Northeastern University Class of 1999
> 
> "None of us alone can save the nation or the
> world.  But each of us can make a positive
> difference if we commit ourselves to do so."
> -Cornel West, "Race Matters"



	You didn't answer Troy's question.


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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Subject: Re: Modern Segregation?  (was: Re: AA limits real discrimination.)
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Robert Jenkins wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 30 Nov 1996 14:13:06 -0500, Bob Whitaker
>  wrote:
> 
> >Koro wrote:
> >>
> >> On 27 Nov 1996 00:38:42 GMT, trifec@aol.com wrote:
> >>
> >> > AA IS discrimination.
> >>
> >> I have a question, related to this whole mess.  Is the seperation of
> >> men's and women's restrooms/locker rooms segregation?  It's the same
> >> damned thing as segregation bassed on race, is it not?  Will the world
> >> be hearing pleas for equal rights again over this issue?
> >
> >
> >       The reason you will not get a reply on this is that no one has given
> >the Politically Correct clones their marching orders on this issue
> >yet.   The second it is decided to push for restroom integration of the
> >sexes, all the Independent Thinkers will instantly decide they have been
> >conversted to it and fight for it.
> >       Anyone who opposes it will be A Nazi Who Wants To Kill Six Million
> >Jews.
> >       The clone routine never varies.
> >       Which, of course, is why they're clones.
> 
> You will find, in other cultures and part of America, no problem
> with mixed bathing, showering, and outdoor recreation.  Therte is no
> need to demand equality when it is already a fact.
> 
> Bob Jenkins





	You probably haven't noticed that I keep capitalizing EVERY in my
posts. I don't mind there being practically all-black or practically
all-Asian countries.  The problem with Politically Correct people is
that they demand immigration into and integration in ONLY white
emajority countries and in EVERY white majority country on earth.   In
each country, every pocket of all-white housing or schooling or anythign
else must be rooted out.
	You point out the obvious fact that where people want same-sex
bathrooms, etc., they're welcome to have them.  But when the word goes
out to the PC clones, there will not be one single seprate bathroom
allowed.  That's the point.


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Kathleen Mulhern wrote:
> 
> In article <01bbe127$a2693a80$7a64a4cd@iaxis.net>, "van meter"
>  wrote:
> 
> *In the O.J. Simpson trial they were able to tell from DNA tests
> *that the blood of the
> *murderer came from a Black .
> 
> Yes... DNA can show what color the skin of the person is... also what
> texture his/her hair is, what color his/her eyes are, etc.  So what's your
> point?  DNA does not prove that there is such a thing as "race" apart from
> the human construct.  DNA shows the physical characteristics of human
> beings, and if that human being happens to have a dark complexion, than
> DNA will show that.
> 
> --
> kate@accessone.com
> 
> "Phillip Morris Denies Cigarettes Are Cylindrical."
>           -Headline from "The Onion."



	I didn't say the tests showed the perpetrator "had a dark compexion",
it shows he was a BLACK.


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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Kathleen Mulhern wrote:
> 
> In article <57vurj$sap@informer1.cis.McMaster.CA>, Laura Finsten
>  wrote:
> 
> *So what are you saying, Bob?  That Jews who have converted to other
> *faiths are still Jews?  And that the missing six million are hiding
> *in people's basements all over the world?
> 
> Geez.  I'd better check my basement then.  It was Edith Stein's gassing at
> Auschwitz in 1944 that brought the Holocaust to the belated attention of
> the Vatican, who began their own serious inquiry at that time.  Laura...
> you bring up a good point, and one that I'd like to see one of these
> denier-robots answer:  so if they weren't killed... what happened to 2/3
> of European Jewry?  They were there before 1939, and they weren't there
> after 1945.  So where'd they go?  To Disney Land?
> 
> --
> kate@accessone.com
> 
> "Phillip Morris Denies Cigarettes Are Cylindrical."
>           -Headline from "The Onion."



Another clone, another repeat:

	Forget YOUR cellar!   In any given time and place, you will be
Polticially Correct.  In Nazi Germany, you'd be turning the Jews in to
your beloved establishemnt.  Under Stalin, you'd be denouncing your
family to the KGB.  In this time and place you're Poltically Correct.


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Fragano Ledgister wrote:
> 
> Gregory Taylor (gtaylor@msn.fullfeed.com) wrote:
> : Ross Archer  wrote:
> : >Fascinating logic.
> 
> : At this point, I'm thinking that it's only a matter
> : of time before what's left of Whitaker simply comes
> : out and identifies propositional logic as some kind
> : of Judeo-negroid tool of white oppression.



	I do attack everything you worship, don't I?




> 
> : --
> 
> Wasn't Aristotle a Falasha?
> 
> /.
> 
> .
> 
> --
> Dawn over the dark sea brings on the sun;
> She leans across the hilltop: see, the light!
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu


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Drew Beck wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> >
> >> Honestly now, why do you even care if someone chooses to marry a person of
> >> another ethnicity or "race"?  What's it to you?  Aren't you a champion of
> >> liberty, and "freedom of choice"?
> >
> >
> >Another clone , anotehr repeat:
> 
> Yep, you keep calling me and others "clones" without knowing anything
> about our backgrounds, situations, whatever.  Guess it's OK if I call all
> the "whiteys first" believers clones too, eh?
> 
> >As I explain to each of you clones in turn, my problem with your
> >so-called "color
> >blindness" is that, in terms of real world results, you are only
> >interested in doing it in white majority countries.  You demand massive
> >third world immigration into EVERY white majority country, and ONLY into
> >white majority countries.
> 
> *I* haven't demanded any such thing.  Personally, I don't care who chooses
> to live where.  That's what it's all about--choice.  If you choose to live
> only with others of "your kind" (whatever that is; I don't want to start
> using labels or anything), that's fine.  For you, it must be unfortunate
> that the US is a nation of immigrants.  As I've said earlier, my Irish
> ancestors weren't welcome by many of the people who were already living in
> the US at the time when they immigrated.  They just weren't the right kind
> of people.
> 
>   You demand your so-called "race" mixing,
> >which is actually only *white* mixing, and you use public money for
> >busing and "low-cost"(black) housing to chase down any white escapees.
> 
> I don't demand this, either.  You're pretty good at second guessing me
> without knowing much about me.
> 
> >       Your so-called solution to the race problem is always only the final
> >solution to the white problem.
> 
> >> Do you believe in God?  Aren't all human beings children of God?  Where is
> >> the problem?
> >
> >       People have been blaming God for their poltically Correct opinions of
> >the moment for thousands of years.  This includes both your antiwhite
> >genocide today and slavery in earlier days.
> >       Blaming your politics on God is called blasphemy.
> 
> But that doesn't answer my question.
> >
> >>
> >> And about those "white majority countries" you refer to--except for
> >> greater Europe and immediate surroundings, none of the countries *were*
> >> white majority until they were invaded by "whitey"--the same thing in
> >> reverse you seem to be afraid of with immigration and integration (though
> >> I don't consider such things as an "invasion").
> 
> >If such massive immigration and integration were being pushed on Africa,
> >you would indeed consider it invastion, genocide, the whole nine yards
> >-- against whites, of course, it's the highest kind of idealism.
> >       Gosh, it just happens that, practically speaking, you agree with
> >Poltical Correctness.   What a coincidence!!!
> 
> I don't understand how immigration is being "pushed" on me. If someone
> wants to move here in an attempt to make a better life (because of
> poverty, political strife, whatever), how is that being "pushed" on me?
> That's exactly why my ancestors settled here back in the early 1900s.
> What's the difference with the people you are opposed to?
> 
> Drew



	All traitors always claim they "are merely being objective".
	As I explain to each of you clones in turn, my problem with your
so-called "color blindness" is that, in terms of real world results, you
are only interested in doing it in white majority countries.  You demand
massive third world immigration into EVERY white majority country, and
ONLY into white majority countries.  You demand your so-called "race"
mixing, which is actually only *white* mixing, and you use public money
for busing and "low-cost"(black) housing to chase down any white
escapees.
	Your so-called solution to the race problem is always only the final
solution to the white problem.


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Terry Hallinan wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> 
> >This would never occur to a Poltically Correct clone, but the way we
> >separate races is to allow us to do our own separating.  Let us have our
> >white community, and you can have your mixed community.
> 
> Frankly I could care less if you marry your sister.
> 
> Michael Jackson and all the rest of you white guys should be very
> happy together.  Michael Jackson is the only one who really made an
> effort to be white.  Sure hope you appreciate him.
> 
> >Your answer is, no way, Jose.  You know exactly what would happen to
> >your "there are no races" crap out in the real world.
> 
> Actually I have been out in the real world for far longer than most on
> the internet - most nearly anywhere except a retirement community.
> 
> But you are right about one thing:  there are plenty of ignorarmuses
> out there.
> 
> >The fact is that the entire PC proggram is for racial balance in ALL
> >white majority countries, and ONLY in white majority countries.
> 
> This is the silliest thing I have heard of.  There is a perfect racial
> balance.  Period.
> 
> >They would not tolerate any whites being allowed to live to themselves,
> >anywhere on earth, and they have said so repeatedly.
> 
> You can live anywhere you like for all I care.  Hopefully not next to
> me but I have no control over that.




	Another clone, another repeat:
Trying to say something to a clone is like pushing toothpaste back into
a tube.
	Each clone comes up with this "well, set up  your own country",
statement.  But
the fact is that the entire PC proggram is for racial balance in ALL
white majority
countries, and ONLY in white majority countries.  They would not
tolerate any whites
being allowed to live to themselves, anywhere on earth, and they have
said so repeatedly.
	So this challenge for us to set up our own country is bullshit.  They 
would crush us fast.
	And for reason.  We all know what happens when whites are temporarily
allowed
to set up their own communities.  The Politically Correct get racial
balance and busing,
and out go the whites.  So the PC then use their money to set up
"low-cost"(black)
housing in the escapee communities, and busing again.   And the cycle
repeats.
	The one thing Politically Correct people can never subject their
policies to is the criterion of whether they actually WORK or not.  They
also cannot allow it to matter
whether any of their victims WANT what they are pushing or not.  Those
tests always fail.
	As a result, the invariable result of Politically Correct policy, from
busing to the Berlin Wall, is always a major effort at blocking any
escape attempt.
	I'll keep repeating this until all you clones hear it.








> 
> >And for reason.  We all know what happens when whites are temporarily
> >allowed  to set up their own communities.
> 
> Since there are no whites I guess you mean white racists.
> 
> Yeah we had a taste of that with Hitler.


	
	I have to keep reminding you clones of your own official line.  You are
repeating the old, "Anyone who disagrees with me on race is A Nazi Who
Wants To Kill Six Million Jews."
	For your informatin, your fellow clones did that regularly until I
called them on it.  They are now insisting that they NEVER compare
ANYBODY to Hitler.
	They also insist that they already knew that all socialists are not
communists and all racists are not nazis.   They agree it takes a real
moron not to know that.
	This is not a nice, safe, Poltically Correct environment.  This is the
net.  You will have to coordinate your cliches better here.






> 
> >The Politically Correct get racial balance and busing,
> >and out go the whites.  So the PC then use their money to set up
> >"low-cost"(black) housing in the escapee communities, and busing
> >again.   And the cycle repeats.
> 
> Life is hell.
> 
> >The one thing Politically Correct people can never subject their
> >policies to is the criterion of whether they actually WORK or not.
> 
> Sounds like they have you on the run, Bob. :-}
> 
> >They >also cannot allow it to matter whether any of their victims
> >WANT what they are pushing or not.  Those tests always fail.
> 
> > As a result, the invariable result of Politically Correct policy, from
> >busing to the Berlin Wall, is always a major effort at blocking any
> >escape attempt.
> 
> >I'll keep repeating this until all you clones hear it.
> 
> I, for one, sure hope you escape with your sister and Michael Jackson
> and all the rest of your clan.
> 
> Best,   Terry
> 
> "Lawyer - One skilled in circumvention of the law"
>                                     - The Devil's Dictionary


From bwhit@conterra.com Sat Dec  7 14:42:48 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Philip Deitiker wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> 
> > You clones persist in the illusion that everybody here has not heard
> >your Political Correctness until they can recite in their sleep.  We
> >have heard your whole PC routine hundreds of times at public expense.
> > You still think you're some kind of mystery, and it takes a mind reader
> >to get behind your words. Undeceive yourself.
> 
> Bob, if all you have to add to this issue is your paranoid suspicions
> about a politcal correctness conspiracies,




	Talk about Delusions of Grandeur!   
	You think you're a Great Conspirator?  You clones are MICE(little
rats).
	There is no conspiracy about a bunch of esteablishment worshippers
doing what the establishment wants done, be it in Stalin's Russia, Nazi
Germany, or now.
	If you clones were in Nazi Germany you'd be denouncing Jews.
	You'd also be denouncing me.







 I suggest you move it to
> another thread and truncate the spam list.  The original issue of this
> thread revolves around the usefulness and defects of racial
> classifications, not your personal paranoid dillusions. The only
> person here who is decieved is yourselve, you can't answer any
> critiques of your statements, but you repeatedly devolve into this
> dribble. I cant speak for anyone else here, but I personally have
> never been accused, by anyone who has met me face to face, of being
> politcally correct (to the contrary, the opposite has been said), my
> neck is too red for that.
>   It might interest you, that some, here, actually have investigated
> some of these matters. The weight of some of these scientific issues
> demand their own interpretation. Neo-victorian neo-nazi dribble, while
> it was affective at clouding the issue 50 YA, is no-longer taken
> seriously by anyone who takes their data seriously.
> 
> >> During the post columbian period, europeans managed to settle,
> >> colonize and frequently displace all kinds of endemic populations
> >> world wide, with very little dilution of the population in europe. If
> >> we are to go buy you're thoughts I think we can do the following...
> >> Take all non-dravidian poeples in india and drive them back to the
> >> black sea. Take all non-native (or IE origin) americas, autstralians,
> >> africans and send them back to  europe. Then almost all europeans and
> >> move them back to the ukraine. Not to mention a good portion of
> >> persian, pakistani, afganistan, etc.
> 
> >       This is a cutesy way to say we're actually talking about "all races"
> >here.
> 
> I'm glad you enjoyed it. No, we are not talking about all races, I'm
> talking about persons who >50% IE (my personal unbiased definiton of
> what an IE is)
> 
> >               As I explain to each of you clones in turn, my problem with your
> >so-called "mixing" is that you are only interested in doing it in white
> >majority countries.  You demand massive third world immigration into
> >EVERY white majority country, and ONLY into white majority countries.
> >You demand your so-called "race" mixing, which is actually only *white*
> >mixing, and you use public moneyt for busing and "low-cost"(black)
> >housing to chase down any white excapees.
> 
> And like I told you, the only way your ever going to avoid this is
> move to a place were you are thosands of miles from non-whites. The
> only place that I know of in this world where you can do that is in
> central and eastern europe. If you live in the US i have VERY VERY
> LITTLE sympathy on you. According to the US constitution, which goes
> like this....'We hold these truths to be self evident that all men
> were created equal.....'. Now going by the definition of man as it is
> described in the bible, includes all semites which, from the genetic
> data, is inclusive of africans, asians and europeans.
> Since all these men are all equal, how can you restrict activities
> between these peoples? Now this has been on the books for >200 years,
> and anyone who ever went west without a spouse, imported slaves, or
> accepted the service of migrant farm workers must have anticipated
> that the outbreeding 'problem' was an inevititablility. If the
> outbreeding rate is low, say 5%/ generation, one has to anticipate
> that in 12.5% generations (about 250 years) the population is going to
> be pretty well mixed. The only real way of preventing  this is  (i.e.
> outbreeding rate < 1%) to restrict the movements of people to the
> extent any 'diverse' nation would forced into a new dark age.
>    There is but one real choice, those who desperately
> (pathologically) want to maintain racial separation emmigrate to the
> lands where that races relative frequency is the highest. For you I
> recommend Scandinavia, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Belo-rus and the
> Ukraine. Stay away from countries like spain, france, italy, greece,
> scotland, hungary, the baltic republics, lapland, southeastern europe,
> because these countries have extensive pre-columbian genetic
> contributions  from non-IE peoples. If you are negro-phobic, I
> definitely suggest that you stay away from the mediterranian.
>     I have no sympathy on your cause, you and your predescessors have
> had 200 years to figure this out and take corrective measure( leave or
> change the constitution) since neither of these has happen, by and
> large, I have to assume you're not that as strongly motivated in your
> cause as you lead people to believe.
> 
> >       Your so-called solution to the race problem is always only the final
> >solution to the white problem.
> 
> I have no solution to the race problem, I really don't care about
> race, and even if I did, people are going to do as they damn well
> please.  I don't think I can have any say in the directions which
> other people decide to procreate. Can you? Go to south Texas or New
> Mexico were the numbers of hybrid individuals outnumbers the combined
> numbers in the other groups, tell'em your story, and watch them kick
> your butt back to where it can from (or further).
>    If you take a look around the world where 2 populations have come
> into contact for long periods of time the result is a mixed
> population. The mixing is inevitable. Sorry. In some areas of the US
> the mixing is already approaching equilibrium. The only places in the
> world that can maintain 'racial' distinction are places in which the
> rate of selection and drift are greator than geneflow between adjacent
> populations. Thus the magnitude of absolute distinction is going to be
> inversely proportional to magnitude of differences between the
> adjacent populations. Again, in the US, one has migratory laborers and
> ex-slaves of extremely diverse origin diliberately interdispersed in
> the host population ('whites') by the hosts. And, No, bob, this ain't
> new, this started well before the invention of political correctness,
> it started when land owners brought in servants and slaves to do
> household chores.  Thus, the differences between whites and adjacent
> groups  are large and geographic distances resulting  inevitable
> hybridization and eventual genetic equalibrium.
>     If your ascestors were truley overwhelmed with the mixing problem,
> they probably should have never moved into areas (no, bob, we are not
> talking about apartment complexes) in which were  already genetically
> diverse. The only real solution for those who are obsessed with
> maintenance of racial purity is too literally move to a place were the
> genetic makeup of the _obsessed_  is closest to that of the population
> and that the population is relatively homogeneous. This is not a
> solution to your contrived 'white problem', it is the basic principle
> of breeding in close lines to maintain breed characterisitics. So if
> YOU desire to maintain distinct lineage, YOU must practice segregation
> to the extent that all your progeny and your progenies progeny will
> remain separated.    UNFORTUNATELY, there are only a few places in the
> world were _you_  will fit into that equation, and they aren't known
> for their elevated standards of living.
>    Finally, as I mentioned before there is no 'white problem'. This
> sounds like the so-called Jewish problem scenarios of the early 20th
> century. No one is trying to move the white race. As far as I know,
> no-one has contacted myself and suggest that myself or my relatives or
> friends move any place for any reason. As a matter of fact in our city
> our 'white' mayor wanted to incorperate a predominantly 'white' area
> in order to increase their participation in local politics, the
> annexees are reluctant in this regard. There are innumerable places in
> the US where one can move, unmolested, to areas of predominantly white
> makeup. Paternity testing of individuals indicate that there is a risk
> (~1% for the first birth, ~. 5% for each birth after that using female
> parent as standard) that hybridization will occur, despite the
> apparent voluntary separation.
>      Nonetheless,  the white 'race' is as sound as any other race;
> however, with the massive immigration which has occured over the last
> few hundred years, the equilibration of population diversity in many
> area are destined to produce hybrid populations. Sorry, but that's the
> way this genetic thing works. The price that one pays for being a
> conquerer is spreading ones genes to thin.
> 
> >       Don't worry, I'll keep repeating this until each and every one of you
> >clones has
> >heard it.
> 
> Still got your fingers in your ears, heh?
> I pulled the alt.anthropology from your spam line so those folks don't
> have to put up with your dribble. We can still carry on this
> conversation in alt.politics.clueless if it makes you feel any better.
> 
> Philip


From bwhit@conterra.com Sat Dec  7 15:26:06 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Subject: Re: Why Are Blacks Killing and Assalting People Every Day?
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ALT.NEWS wrote:
> 
> In article <32A089B8.67@conterra.com>, Bob Whitaker  writes:
> o> ttmitchell wrote:
> o>>
> o>> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> o>>
> o>> >ttmitchell wrote:
> o>> >>
> o>> >> pk@commune.org (P. Kropotkin) wrote:
> o>> >>
> o>> >> >In article <329A80B7.4908@conterra.com>, bwhit@conterra.com wrote:
> o>> >>
> o>> >> >> P. Kropotkin wrote:
> o>> >> >> >
> o>> >> >> > Since blacks are collectively to blame for the criminal misdeeds of other
> o>> >> >> > blacks, I guess many blacks are of course correect in assigning collective
> o>> >> >> > blame to the Euro-americans for the misdeeds of individual whites. Whites
> o>> >> >> > must be collectively to blame every time some gunman goes "postal" (i.e.
> o>> >> >> > in TN recently), evryt crime committed historically by "whites": Slavery,
> o>> >> >> > conquest of native lands, the crimes in the "wild west", J. Dahmer, Stark,
> o>> >> >> > Bundy, all "white" people, therefore "proving" the collective brutality
> o>> >> >> > and savagery fof the white race.
> o>> >> >>
> o>> >> >>
> o>> >> >>         Question, why are blacks killing and assaulting people every day?
> o>> >> >> Kropotkibn's anser: they have a right to.
> o>> >> >Try responding to the meaning of my post, i.e. blacks are no more savage
> o>> >> >or brutal than white, taken as groups. I guess that's just not in keeping
> o>> >> >with your predjudiced viewpoint. Whites (individuals) are assualting and
> o>> >> >killing people everyday. Why? Some how it's never taken as an indictment
> o>> >> >of a whole people. That's because of something called racism, where a
> o>> >> >whole group is blamed/judged on the basis of the actions of some.
> o>> >>
> o>> >> Not only that, but if we're going to be accurate the question might
> o>> >> well be asked why they may be doing it NOW, since whites are
> o>> >> responsible for the genocide of more peoples in the history of the
> o>> >> world than any black group could ever claim.
> o>>
> o>> >       This is the standard PC line, to justify their demanding massive third
> o>> >world immigration and integration for EVERY white majority country, and
> o>> >ONLY for white majority countries. Asia is to remain Asian, Africa
> o>> >African, and all white majority countries are to turn into a brown soup.
> 
> Nice, what is the justification to kill all Native American and
> took over their lands. What are you going to say about Australia
> and South Africa? Are they trying to turn "Asia and Africa" into
> "white soup?"
> 
> o>>
> o>> I notice you don't deny the truth, however.  Just own up to being
> o>> genocidal and murderous and we'll leave you alone.  And, for your own
> o>> edification, this country was not a majority white country when it
> o>> started (another genocide committed by yours), and it's not actually a
> o>> majority white country now if you take all the minorities and put them
> o>> together, so your argument is pure fallacy.  Maybe you need to go back
> o>> to wherever you originated from to find your ideal country.  And what
> o>> is this brown soup thing you keep bringing into play?  Whites raped
> o>> black women for two centuries then denied their progeny, and now
> o>> you're crying over the fact; get over it, own up to it, and move on.
> o>> Pandora's Box is open, and the "evil" wasn't so bad after all.
> o>
> o>
> o>      You are justifying your program of genocide against whites.  Well, at
>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 
> Please quote, otherwise you are  lying.




	To repeat, in my long life, when my living depended on my jusgement of
people, I have never met anyone who used the word "lie" as freely as you
do to be a truthful person.
	"Lie" is just not a big deal to you.
	A lie is an intentional untruth.  The fact I will not do your research
for you
 is plenty for you to use the word "lie", because, to you and
Kasiecki-Brown and other clones, a lie is no big deal.




Another clone, another repeat:

	You clones persist in the illusion that everybody here has not heard
your Political Correctness until they can recite in their sleep.  We
have heard your whole PC routine hundreds of times at public expense.
	You still think you're some kind of mystery, and it takes a mind reader
to get
behind your words.
	Undeceive yourself.








> 
> o> least you're honest enough to admit that's your intention, unlike the
> o> other PC clones.
> 
> What exactly is a "PC clones"? As far as I know, European considered
> a lot white to be "byproduct."  Are you one?
> 
> o>      You hate whitey and you say so.
> o>
> 
> Again, you need to quote.
> 
> o>
> o>
> o>
> o>
> o>>
> o>> >       The only way PC's can justify this obvious genocide is to say that 1)
> o>> >the white race does not exist and 2) the white race deserves it.  You
> o>> >will see both on today's newsgroup.  Here we have the  "kill whitey
> o>> >because he deserves it" bit.
> o>>
> o>>     Where did you extrapolate this from?  Oh, I see, you're talking to
> o>> other whites here.  That's okay; not only don't we call you whitey
> o>> anymore, but we're not out to kill anybody.  You'll end up destroying
> o>> the world and everyone else in it before long, because it's your
> o>> destiny.  Then you won't have all minorities to keep blaming for your
> o>> own wretchedness anymore.
> o>>
> o>>     By the way, this isn't against all whites in the world, just those
> o>> who think like you do, and unfortunately, there's more than we know
> o>> about.
> o>>
> o>> >> --
> o>> >> Mitch
> o>>
> o>> --
> o>> Mitch
> o


From bwhit@conterra.com Sat Dec  7 15:42:27 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Philip Deitiker wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> 
> > You clones persist in the illusion that everybody here has not heard
> >your Political Correctness until they can recite in their sleep.  We
> >have heard your whole PC routine hundreds of times at public expense.
> > You still think you're some kind of mystery, and it takes a mind reader
> >to get behind your words. Undeceive yourself.
> 
> Bob, if all you have to add to this issue is your paranoid suspicions
> about a politcal correctness conspiracies, I suggest you move it to
> another thread and truncate the spam list.  The original issue of this
> thread revolves around the usefulness and defects of racial
> classifications, not your personal paranoid dillusions. The only
> person here who is decieved is yourselve, you can't answer any
> critiques of your statements, but you repeatedly devolve into this
> dribble. I cant speak for anyone else here, but I personally have
> never been accused, by anyone who has met me face to face, of being
> politcally correct (to the contrary, the opposite has been said), my
> neck is too red for that.
>   It might interest you, that some, here, actually have investigated
> some of these matters. The weight of some of these scientific issues
> demand their own interpretation. Neo-victorian neo-nazi dribble, while
> it was affective at clouding the issue 50 YA, is no-longer taken
> seriously by anyone who takes their data seriously.
> 
> >> During the post columbian period, europeans managed to settle,
> >> colonize and frequently displace all kinds of endemic populations
> >> world wide, with very little dilution of the population in europe. If
> >> we are to go buy you're thoughts I think we can do the following...
> >> Take all non-dravidian poeples in india and drive them back to the
> >> black sea. Take all non-native (or IE origin) americas, autstralians,
> >> africans and send them back to  europe. Then almost all europeans and
> >> move them back to the ukraine. Not to mention a good portion of
> >> persian, pakistani, afganistan, etc.
> 
> >       This is a cutesy way to say we're actually talking about "all races"
> >here.
> 
> I'm glad you enjoyed it. No, we are not talking about all races, I'm
> talking about persons who >50% IE (my personal unbiased definiton of
> what an IE is)
> 
> >               As I explain to each of you clones in turn, my problem with your
> >so-called "mixing" is that you are only interested in doing it in white
> >majority countries.  You demand massive third world immigration into
> >EVERY white majority country, and ONLY into white majority countries.
> >You demand your so-called "race" mixing, which is actually only *white*
> >mixing, and you use public moneyt for busing and "low-cost"(black)
> >housing to chase down any white excapees.
> 
> And like I told you, the only way your ever going to avoid this is
> move to a place were you are thosands of miles from non-whites. The
> only place that I know of in this world where you can do that is in
> central and eastern europe. If you live in the US i have VERY VERY
> LITTLE sympathy on you. According to the US constitution, which goes
> like this....'We hold these truths to be self evident that all men
> were created equal.....'. Now going by the definition of man as it is
> described in the bible, includes all semites which, from the genetic
> data, is inclusive of africans, asians and europeans.
> Since all these men are all equal, how can you restrict activities
> between these peoples? Now this has been on the books for >200 years,
> and anyone who ever went west without a spouse, imported slaves, or
> accepted the service of migrant farm workers must have anticipated
> that the outbreeding 'problem' was an inevititablility. If the
> outbreeding rate is low, say 5%/ generation, one has to anticipate
> that in 12.5% generations (about 250 years) the population is going to
> be pretty well mixed. The only real way of preventing  this is  (i.e.
> outbreeding rate < 1%) to restrict the movements of people to the
> extent any 'diverse' nation would forced into a new dark age.
>    There is but one real choice, those who desperately
> (pathologically) want to maintain racial separation emmigrate to the
> lands where that races relative frequency is the highest. For you I
> recommend Scandinavia, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Belo-rus and the
> Ukraine. Stay away from countries like spain, france, italy, greece,
> scotland, hungary, the baltic republics, lapland, southeastern europe,
> because these countries have extensive pre-columbian genetic
> contributions  from non-IE peoples. If you are negro-phobic, I
> definitely suggest that you stay away from the mediterranian.
>     I have no sympathy on your cause, you and your predescessors have
> had 200 years to figure this out and take corrective measure( leave or
> change the constitution) since neither of these has happen, by and
> large, I have to assume you're not that as strongly motivated in your
> cause as you lead people to believe.
> 
> >       Your so-called solution to the race problem is always only the final
> >solution to the white problem.
> 
> I have no solution to the race problem, I really don't care about
> race, and even if I did, people are going to do as they damn well
> please.  I don't think I can have any say in the directions which
> other people decide to procreate. Can you? Go to south Texas or New
> Mexico were the numbers of hybrid individuals outnumbers the combined
> numbers in the other groups, tell'em your story, and watch them kick
> your butt back to where it can from (or further).
>    If you take a look around the world where 2 populations have come
> into contact for long periods of time the result is a mixed
> population. The mixing is inevitable. Sorry. In some areas of the US
> the mixing is already approaching equilibrium. The only places in the
> world that can maintain 'racial' distinction are places in which the
> rate of selection and drift are greator than geneflow between adjacent
> populations. Thus the magnitude of absolute distinction is going to be
> inversely proportional to magnitude of differences between the
> adjacent populations. Again, in the US, one has migratory laborers and
> ex-slaves of extremely diverse origin diliberately interdispersed in
> the host population ('whites') by the hosts. And, No, bob, this ain't
> new, this started well before the invention of political correctness,
> it started when land owners brought in servants and slaves to do
> household chores.  Thus, the differences between whites and adjacent
> groups  are large and geographic distances resulting  inevitable
> hybridization and eventual genetic equalibrium.
>     If your ascestors were truley overwhelmed with the mixing problem,
> they probably should have never moved into areas (no, bob, we are not
> talking about apartment complexes) in which were  already genetically
> diverse. The only real solution for those who are obsessed with
> maintenance of racial purity is too literally move to a place were the
> genetic makeup of the _obsessed_  is closest to that of the population
> and that the population is relatively homogeneous. This is not a
> solution to your contrived 'white problem', it is the basic principle
> of breeding in close lines to maintain breed characterisitics. So if
> YOU desire to maintain distinct lineage, YOU must practice segregation
> to the extent that all your progeny and your progenies progeny will
> remain separated.    UNFORTUNATELY, there are only a few places in the
> world were _you_  will fit into that equation, and they aren't known
> for their elevated standards of living.
>    Finally, as I mentioned before there is no 'white problem'. This
> sounds like the so-called Jewish problem scenarios of the early 20th
> century. No one is trying to move the white race. As far as I know,
> no-one has contacted myself and suggest that myself or my relatives or
> friends move any place for any reason. As a matter of fact in our city
> our 'white' mayor wanted to incorperate a predominantly 'white' area
> in order to increase their participation in local politics, the
> annexees are reluctant in this regard. There are innumerable places in
> the US where one can move, unmolested, to areas of predominantly white
> makeup. Paternity testing of individuals indicate that there is a risk
> (~1% for the first birth, ~. 5% for each birth after that using female
> parent as standard) that hybridization will occur, despite the
> apparent voluntary separation.
>      Nonetheless,  the white 'race' is as sound as any other race;
> however, with the massive immigration which has occured over the last
> few hundred years, the equilibration of population diversity in many
> area are destined to produce hybrid populations. Sorry, but that's the
> way this genetic thing works. The price that one pays for being a
> conquerer is spreading ones genes to thin.



	you have set up a really silly straw man argument.  
	As a clone, you expect some Higher Authority to set up some Perfect
Racial Classification for you.
Another clone, another repeat:
	
	This would never occur to a Poltically Correct clone, but the way we
separate
races is to allow us to do our own separating.  Let us have our white
community, and you
can have your mixed community.
	Your answer is, no way, Jose.  You know exactly what would happen to
your
"there are no races" crap out in the real world.
	 The fact is that the entire PC proggram is for racial balance in ALL
white majority countries, and ONLY in white majority countries.  They
would not tolerate any whites being allowed to live to themselves,
anywhere on earth, and they have said so repeatedly.
	And for reason.  We all know what happens when whites are temporarily
allowed
to set up their own communities.  The Politically Correct get racial
balance and busing,
and out go the whites.  So the PC then use their money to set up
"low-cost"(black)
housing in the escapee communities, and busing again.   And the cycle
repeats.
	The one thing Politically Correct people can never subject their
policies to is the criterion of whether they actually WORK or not.  They
also cannot allow it to matter
whether any of their victims WANT what they are pushing or not.  Those
tests always fail.
	As a result, the invariable result of Politically Correct policy, from
busing to the Berlin Wall, is always a major effort at blocking any
escape attempt.
	I'll keep repeating this until all you clones hear it.









> 
> >       Don't worry, I'll keep repeating this until each and every one of you
> >clones has
> >heard it.
> 
> Still got your fingers in your ears, heh?
> I pulled the alt.anthropology from your spam line so those folks don't
> have to put up with your dribble. 
We can still carry on this
> conversation in alt.politics.clueless if it makes you feel any better.
> 
> Philip


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Philip Deitiker wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> 
> > You clones persist in the illusion that everybody here has not heard
> >your Political Correctness until they can recite in their sleep.  We
> >have heard your whole PC routine hundreds of times at public expense.
> > You still think you're some kind of mystery, and it takes a mind reader
> >to get behind your words. Undeceive yourself.
> 
> Bob, if all you have to add to this issue is your paranoid suspicions
> about a politcal correctness conspiracies, I suggest you move it to
> another thread and truncate the spam list.  The original issue of this
> thread revolves around the usefulness and defects of racial
> classifications, not your personal paranoid dillusions. The only
> person here who is decieved is yourselve, you can't answer any
> critiques of your statements, but you repeatedly devolve into this
> dribble. I cant speak for anyone else here, but I personally have
> never been accused, by anyone who has met me face to face, of being
> politcally correct (to the contrary, the opposite has been said), my
> neck is too red for that.
>   It might interest you, that some, here, actually have investigated
> some of these matters. The weight of some of these scientific issues
> demand their own interpretation. Neo-victorian neo-nazi dribble, while
> it was affective at clouding the issue 50 YA, is no-longer taken
> seriously by anyone who takes their data seriously.
> 
> >> During the post columbian period, europeans managed to settle,
> >> colonize and frequently displace all kinds of endemic populations
> >> world wide, with very little dilution of the population in europe. If
> >> we are to go buy you're thoughts I think we can do the following...
> >> Take all non-dravidian poeples in india and drive them back to the
> >> black sea. Take all non-native (or IE origin) americas, autstralians,
> >> africans and send them back to  europe. Then almost all europeans and
> >> move them back to the ukraine. Not to mention a good portion of
> >> persian, pakistani, afganistan, etc.
> 
> >       This is a cutesy way to say we're actually talking about "all races"
> >here.
> 
> I'm glad you enjoyed it. No, we are not talking about all races, I'm
> talking about persons who >50% IE (my personal unbiased definiton of
> what an IE is)
> 
> >               As I explain to each of you clones in turn, my problem with your
> >so-called "mixing" is that you are only interested in doing it in white
> >majority countries.  You demand massive third world immigration into
> >EVERY white majority country, and ONLY into white majority countries.
> >You demand your so-called "race" mixing, which is actually only *white*
> >mixing, and you use public moneyt for busing and "low-cost"(black)
> >housing to chase down any white excapees.
> 
> And like I told you, the only way your ever going to avoid this is
> move to a place were you are thosands of miles from non-whites. The
> only place that I know of in this world where you can do that is in
> central and eastern europe. If you live in the US i have VERY VERY
> LITTLE sympathy on you. According to the US constitution, which goes
> like this....'We hold these truths to be self evident that all men
> were created equal.....'. 




The Constitution says nothing of the sort.  That was the Declaration  of
independence, aimed at getting the support of French liberals for the
Revolution
	The Declaration, written in 1776 in a desperate phase of war, was a
propaganda statement.   Nothing silly like that appeared in the
Constitution, the diocument written in peacetime to set up our own
actual government.  




Now going by the definition of man as it is
> described in the bible, includes all semites which, from the genetic
> data, is inclusive of africans, asians and europeans.
> Since all these men are all equal, how can you restrict activities
> between these peoples? Now this has been on the books for >200 years,
> and anyone who ever went west without a spouse, imported slaves, or
> accepted the service of migrant farm workers must have anticipated
> that the outbreeding 'problem' was an inevititablility. If the
> outbreeding rate is low, say 5%/ generation, one has to anticipate
> that in 12.5% generations (about 250 years) the population is going to
> be pretty well mixed. The only real way of preventing  this is  (i.e.
> outbreeding rate < 1%) to restrict the movements of people to the
> extent any 'diverse' nation would forced into a new dark age.
>    There is but one real choice, those who desperately
> (pathologically) want to maintain racial separation emmigrate to the
> lands where that races relative frequency is the highest.




Another clone, antoher repeat:

	As I explain to each of you clones in turn, my problem with your
so-called "color blindness" is that, in terms of real world results, you
are only interested in doing it in white majority countries.  You demand
massive third world immigration into EVERY white majority country, and
ONLY into white majority countries.  You demand your so-called "race"
mixing, which is actually only *white* mixing, and you use public money
for busing and "low-cost"(black) housing to chase down any white
excapees.
	Your so-called solution to the race problem is always only the final
solution to the white problem. 
	Let me repeat again: the operative word above, which you did not notice
because I only put in caos, was EVERY.






 For you I
> recommend Scandinavia, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Belo-rus and the
> Ukraine. Stay away from countries like spain, france, italy, greece,
> scotland, hungary, the baltic republics, lapland, southeastern europe,
> because these countries have extensive pre-columbian genetic
> contributions  from non-IE peoples. If you are negro-phobic, I
> definitely suggest that you stay away from the mediterranian.
>     I have no sympathy on your cause, you and your predescessors have
> had 200 years to figure this out and take corrective measure( leave or
> change the constitution) since neither of these has happen, by and
> large, I have to assume you're not that as strongly motivated in your
> cause as you lead people to believe.
> 
> >       Your so-called solution to the race problem is always only the final
> >solution to the white problem.
> 
> I have no solution to the race problem, I really don't care about
> race, and even if I did, people are going to do as they damn well
> please.  I don't think I can have any say in the directions which
> other people decide to procreate. Can you? Go to south Texas or New
> Mexico were the numbers of hybrid individuals outnumbers the combined
> numbers in the other groups, tell'em your story, and watch them kick
> your butt back to where it can from (or further).
>    If you take a look around the world where 2 populations have come
> into contact for long periods of time the result is a mixed
> population. The mixing is inevitable. Sorry. In some areas of the US
> the mixing is already approaching equilibrium. The only places in the
> world that can maintain 'racial' distinction are places in which the
> rate of selection and drift are greator than geneflow between adjacent
> populations. Thus the magnitude of absolute distinction is going to be
> inversely proportional to magnitude of differences between the
> adjacent populations. Again, in the US, one has migratory laborers and
> ex-slaves of extremely diverse origin diliberately interdispersed in
> the host population ('whites') by the hosts. And, No, bob, this ain't
> new, this started well before the invention of political correctness,
> it started when land owners brought in servants and slaves to do
> household chores.  Thus, the differences between whites and adjacent
> groups  are large and geographic distances resulting  inevitable
> hybridization and eventual genetic equalibrium.
>     If your ascestors were truley overwhelmed with the mixing problem,
> they probably should have never moved into areas (no, bob, we are not
> talking about apartment complexes) in which were  already genetically
> diverse. The only real solution for those who are obsessed with
> maintenance of racial purity is too literally move to a place were the
> genetic makeup of the _obsessed_  is closest to that of the population
> and that the population is relatively homogeneous. This is not a
> solution to your contrived 'white problem', it is the basic principle
> of breeding in close lines to maintain breed characterisitics. So if
> YOU desire to maintain distinct lineage, YOU must practice segregation
> to the extent that all your progeny and your progenies progeny will
> remain separated.    UNFORTUNATELY, there are only a few places in the
> world were _you_  will fit into that equation, and they aren't known
> for their elevated standards of living.
>    Finally, as I mentioned before there is no 'white problem'. This
> sounds like the so-called Jewish problem scenarios of the early 20th
> century. No one is trying to move the white race. As far as I know,
> no-one has contacted myself and suggest that myself or my relatives or
> friends move any place for any reason. As a matter of fact in our city
> our 'white' mayor wanted to incorperate a predominantly 'white' area
> in order to increase their participation in local politics, the
> annexees are reluctant in this regard. There are innumerable places in
> the US where one can move, unmolested, to areas of predominantly white
> makeup. Paternity testing of individuals indicate that there is a risk
> (~1% for the first birth, ~. 5% for each birth after that using female
> parent as standard) that hybridization will occur, despite the
> apparent voluntary separation.
>      Nonetheless,  the white 'race' is as sound as any other race;
> however, with the massive immigration which has occured over the last
> few hundred years, the equilibration of population diversity in many
> area are destined to produce hybrid populations. Sorry, but that's the
> way this genetic thing works. The price that one pays for being a
> conquerer is spreading ones genes to thin.
> 
> >       Don't worry, I'll keep repeating this until each and every one of you
> >clones has
> >heard it.
> 
> Still got your fingers in your ears, heh?
> I pulled the alt.anthropology from your spam line so those folks don't
> have to put up with your dribble. We can still carry on this
> conversation in alt.politics.clueless if it makes you feel any better.
> 
> Philip


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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Fragano Ledgister wrote:
> 
> Gregory Taylor (gtaylor@msn.fullfeed.com) wrote:
> : Ross Archer  wrote:
> : >Fascinating logic.
> 
> : At this point, I'm thinking that it's only a matter
> : of time before what's left of Whitaker simply comes
> : out and identifies propositional logic as some kind
> : of Judeo-negroid tool of white oppression.



	I do attack everything you worship, don't I?




> 
> : --
> 
> Wasn't Aristotle a Falasha?
> 
> /.
> 
> .
> 
> --
> Dawn over the dark sea brings on the sun;
> She leans across the hilltop: see, the light!
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu


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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Philip Deitiker wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> 
> > You clones persist in the illusion that everybody here has not heard
> >your Political Correctness until they can recite in their sleep.  We
> >have heard your whole PC routine hundreds of times at public expense.
> > You still think you're some kind of mystery, and it takes a mind reader
> >to get behind your words. Undeceive yourself.
> 
> Bob, if all you have to add to this issue is your paranoid suspicions
> about a politcal correctness conspiracies,




	Talk about Delusions of Grandeur!   
	You think you're a Great Conspirator?  You clones are MICE(little
rats).
	There is no conspiracy about a bunch of esteablishment worshippers
doing what the establishment wants done, be it in Stalin's Russia, Nazi
Germany, or now.
	If you clones were in Nazi Germany you'd be denouncing Jews.
	You'd also be denouncing me.







 I suggest you move it to
> another thread and truncate the spam list.  The original issue of this
> thread revolves around the usefulness and defects of racial
> classifications, not your personal paranoid dillusions. The only
> person here who is decieved is yourselve, you can't answer any
> critiques of your statements, but you repeatedly devolve into this
> dribble. I cant speak for anyone else here, but I personally have
> never been accused, by anyone who has met me face to face, of being
> politcally correct (to the contrary, the opposite has been said), my
> neck is too red for that.
>   It might interest you, that some, here, actually have investigated
> some of these matters. The weight of some of these scientific issues
> demand their own interpretation. Neo-victorian neo-nazi dribble, while
> it was affective at clouding the issue 50 YA, is no-longer taken
> seriously by anyone who takes their data seriously.
> 
> >> During the post columbian period, europeans managed to settle,
> >> colonize and frequently displace all kinds of endemic populations
> >> world wide, with very little dilution of the population in europe. If
> >> we are to go buy you're thoughts I think we can do the following...
> >> Take all non-dravidian poeples in india and drive them back to the
> >> black sea. Take all non-native (or IE origin) americas, autstralians,
> >> africans and send them back to  europe. Then almost all europeans and
> >> move them back to the ukraine. Not to mention a good portion of
> >> persian, pakistani, afganistan, etc.
> 
> >       This is a cutesy way to say we're actually talking about "all races"
> >here.
> 
> I'm glad you enjoyed it. No, we are not talking about all races, I'm
> talking about persons who >50% IE (my personal unbiased definiton of
> what an IE is)
> 
> >               As I explain to each of you clones in turn, my problem with your
> >so-called "mixing" is that you are only interested in doing it in white
> >majority countries.  You demand massive third world immigration into
> >EVERY white majority country, and ONLY into white majority countries.
> >You demand your so-called "race" mixing, which is actually only *white*
> >mixing, and you use public moneyt for busing and "low-cost"(black)
> >housing to chase down any white excapees.
> 
> And like I told you, the only way your ever going to avoid this is
> move to a place were you are thosands of miles from non-whites. The
> only place that I know of in this world where you can do that is in
> central and eastern europe. If you live in the US i have VERY VERY
> LITTLE sympathy on you. According to the US constitution, which goes
> like this....'We hold these truths to be self evident that all men
> were created equal.....'. Now going by the definition of man as it is
> described in the bible, includes all semites which, from the genetic
> data, is inclusive of africans, asians and europeans.
> Since all these men are all equal, how can you restrict activities
> between these peoples? Now this has been on the books for >200 years,
> and anyone who ever went west without a spouse, imported slaves, or
> accepted the service of migrant farm workers must have anticipated
> that the outbreeding 'problem' was an inevititablility. If the
> outbreeding rate is low, say 5%/ generation, one has to anticipate
> that in 12.5% generations (about 250 years) the population is going to
> be pretty well mixed. The only real way of preventing  this is  (i.e.
> outbreeding rate < 1%) to restrict the movements of people to the
> extent any 'diverse' nation would forced into a new dark age.
>    There is but one real choice, those who desperately
> (pathologically) want to maintain racial separation emmigrate to the
> lands where that races relative frequency is the highest. For you I
> recommend Scandinavia, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Belo-rus and the
> Ukraine. Stay away from countries like spain, france, italy, greece,
> scotland, hungary, the baltic republics, lapland, southeastern europe,
> because these countries have extensive pre-columbian genetic
> contributions  from non-IE peoples. If you are negro-phobic, I
> definitely suggest that you stay away from the mediterranian.
>     I have no sympathy on your cause, you and your predescessors have
> had 200 years to figure this out and take corrective measure( leave or
> change the constitution) since neither of these has happen, by and
> large, I have to assume you're not that as strongly motivated in your
> cause as you lead people to believe.
> 
> >       Your so-called solution to the race problem is always only the final
> >solution to the white problem.
> 
> I have no solution to the race problem, I really don't care about
> race, and even if I did, people are going to do as they damn well
> please.  I don't think I can have any say in the directions which
> other people decide to procreate. Can you? Go to south Texas or New
> Mexico were the numbers of hybrid individuals outnumbers the combined
> numbers in the other groups, tell'em your story, and watch them kick
> your butt back to where it can from (or further).
>    If you take a look around the world where 2 populations have come
> into contact for long periods of time the result is a mixed
> population. The mixing is inevitable. Sorry. In some areas of the US
> the mixing is already approaching equilibrium. The only places in the
> world that can maintain 'racial' distinction are places in which the
> rate of selection and drift are greator than geneflow between adjacent
> populations. Thus the magnitude of absolute distinction is going to be
> inversely proportional to magnitude of differences between the
> adjacent populations. Again, in the US, one has migratory laborers and
> ex-slaves of extremely diverse origin diliberately interdispersed in
> the host population ('whites') by the hosts. And, No, bob, this ain't
> new, this started well before the invention of political correctness,
> it started when land owners brought in servants and slaves to do
> household chores.  Thus, the differences between whites and adjacent
> groups  are large and geographic distances resulting  inevitable
> hybridization and eventual genetic equalibrium.
>     If your ascestors were truley overwhelmed with the mixing problem,
> they probably should have never moved into areas (no, bob, we are not
> talking about apartment complexes) in which were  already genetically
> diverse. The only real solution for those who are obsessed with
> maintenance of racial purity is too literally move to a place were the
> genetic makeup of the _obsessed_  is closest to that of the population
> and that the population is relatively homogeneous. This is not a
> solution to your contrived 'white problem', it is the basic principle
> of breeding in close lines to maintain breed characterisitics. So if
> YOU desire to maintain distinct lineage, YOU must practice segregation
> to the extent that all your progeny and your progenies progeny will
> remain separated.    UNFORTUNATELY, there are only a few places in the
> world were _you_  will fit into that equation, and they aren't known
> for their elevated standards of living.
>    Finally, as I mentioned before there is no 'white problem'. This
> sounds like the so-called Jewish problem scenarios of the early 20th
> century. No one is trying to move the white race. As far as I know,
> no-one has contacted myself and suggest that myself or my relatives or
> friends move any place for any reason. As a matter of fact in our city
> our 'white' mayor wanted to incorperate a predominantly 'white' area
> in order to increase their participation in local politics, the
> annexees are reluctant in this regard. There are innumerable places in
> the US where one can move, unmolested, to areas of predominantly white
> makeup. Paternity testing of individuals indicate that there is a risk
> (~1% for the first birth, ~. 5% for each birth after that using female
> parent as standard) that hybridization will occur, despite the
> apparent voluntary separation.
>      Nonetheless,  the white 'race' is as sound as any other race;
> however, with the massive immigration which has occured over the last
> few hundred years, the equilibration of population diversity in many
> area are destined to produce hybrid populations. Sorry, but that's the
> way this genetic thing works. The price that one pays for being a
> conquerer is spreading ones genes to thin.
> 
> >       Don't worry, I'll keep repeating this until each and every one of you
> >clones has
> >heard it.
> 
> Still got your fingers in your ears, heh?
> I pulled the alt.anthropology from your spam line so those folks don't
> have to put up with your dribble. We can still carry on this
> conversation in alt.politics.clueless if it makes you feel any better.
> 
> Philip


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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Fragano Ledgister wrote:
> 
> Gregory Taylor (gtaylor@msn.fullfeed.com) wrote:
> : Ross Archer  wrote:
> : >Fascinating logic.
> 
> : At this point, I'm thinking that it's only a matter
> : of time before what's left of Whitaker simply comes
> : out and identifies propositional logic as some kind
> : of Judeo-negroid tool of white oppression.



	I do attack everything you worship, don't I?




> 
> : --
> 
> Wasn't Aristotle a Falasha?
> 
> /.
> 
> .
> 
> --
> Dawn over the dark sea brings on the sun;
> She leans across the hilltop: see, the light!
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu


From bwhit@conterra.com Sat Dec  7 15:53:30 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Philip Deitiker wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> 
> > You clones persist in the illusion that everybody here has not heard
> >your Political Correctness until they can recite in their sleep.  We
> >have heard your whole PC routine hundreds of times at public expense.
> > You still think you're some kind of mystery, and it takes a mind reader
> >to get behind your words. Undeceive yourself.
> 
> Bob, if all you have to add to this issue is your paranoid suspicions
> about a politcal correctness conspiracies,




	Talk about Delusions of Grandeur!   
	You think you're a Great Conspirator?  You clones are MICE(little
rats).
	There is no conspiracy about a bunch of esteablishment worshippers
doing what the establishment wants done, be it in Stalin's Russia, Nazi
Germany, or now.
	If you clones were in Nazi Germany you'd be denouncing Jews.
	You'd also be denouncing me.







 I suggest you move it to
> another thread and truncate the spam list.  The original issue of this
> thread revolves around the usefulness and defects of racial
> classifications, not your personal paranoid dillusions. The only
> person here who is decieved is yourselve, you can't answer any
> critiques of your statements, but you repeatedly devolve into this
> dribble. I cant speak for anyone else here, but I personally have
> never been accused, by anyone who has met me face to face, of being
> politcally correct (to the contrary, the opposite has been said), my
> neck is too red for that.
>   It might interest you, that some, here, actually have investigated
> some of these matters. The weight of some of these scientific issues
> demand their own interpretation. Neo-victorian neo-nazi dribble, while
> it was affective at clouding the issue 50 YA, is no-longer taken
> seriously by anyone who takes their data seriously.
> 
> >> During the post columbian period, europeans managed to settle,
> >> colonize and frequently displace all kinds of endemic populations
> >> world wide, with very little dilution of the population in europe. If
> >> we are to go buy you're thoughts I think we can do the following...
> >> Take all non-dravidian poeples in india and drive them back to the
> >> black sea. Take all non-native (or IE origin) americas, autstralians,
> >> africans and send them back to  europe. Then almost all europeans and
> >> move them back to the ukraine. Not to mention a good portion of
> >> persian, pakistani, afganistan, etc.
> 
> >       This is a cutesy way to say we're actually talking about "all races"
> >here.
> 
> I'm glad you enjoyed it. No, we are not talking about all races, I'm
> talking about persons who >50% IE (my personal unbiased definiton of
> what an IE is)
> 
> >               As I explain to each of you clones in turn, my problem with your
> >so-called "mixing" is that you are only interested in doing it in white
> >majority countries.  You demand massive third world immigration into
> >EVERY white majority country, and ONLY into white majority countries.
> >You demand your so-called "race" mixing, which is actually only *white*
> >mixing, and you use public moneyt for busing and "low-cost"(black)
> >housing to chase down any white excapees.
> 
> And like I told you, the only way your ever going to avoid this is
> move to a place were you are thosands of miles from non-whites. The
> only place that I know of in this world where you can do that is in
> central and eastern europe. If you live in the US i have VERY VERY
> LITTLE sympathy on you. According to the US constitution, which goes
> like this....'We hold these truths to be self evident that all men
> were created equal.....'. Now going by the definition of man as it is
> described in the bible, includes all semites which, from the genetic
> data, is inclusive of africans, asians and europeans.
> Since all these men are all equal, how can you restrict activities
> between these peoples? Now this has been on the books for >200 years,
> and anyone who ever went west without a spouse, imported slaves, or
> accepted the service of migrant farm workers must have anticipated
> that the outbreeding 'problem' was an inevititablility. If the
> outbreeding rate is low, say 5%/ generation, one has to anticipate
> that in 12.5% generations (about 250 years) the population is going to
> be pretty well mixed. The only real way of preventing  this is  (i.e.
> outbreeding rate < 1%) to restrict the movements of people to the
> extent any 'diverse' nation would forced into a new dark age.
>    There is but one real choice, those who desperately
> (pathologically) want to maintain racial separation emmigrate to the
> lands where that races relative frequency is the highest. For you I
> recommend Scandinavia, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Belo-rus and the
> Ukraine. Stay away from countries like spain, france, italy, greece,
> scotland, hungary, the baltic republics, lapland, southeastern europe,
> because these countries have extensive pre-columbian genetic
> contributions  from non-IE peoples. If you are negro-phobic, I
> definitely suggest that you stay away from the mediterranian.
>     I have no sympathy on your cause, you and your predescessors have
> had 200 years to figure this out and take corrective measure( leave or
> change the constitution) since neither of these has happen, by and
> large, I have to assume you're not that as strongly motivated in your
> cause as you lead people to believe.
> 
> >       Your so-called solution to the race problem is always only the final
> >solution to the white problem.
> 
> I have no solution to the race problem, I really don't care about
> race, and even if I did, people are going to do as they damn well
> please.  I don't think I can have any say in the directions which
> other people decide to procreate. Can you? Go to south Texas or New
> Mexico were the numbers of hybrid individuals outnumbers the combined
> numbers in the other groups, tell'em your story, and watch them kick
> your butt back to where it can from (or further).
>    If you take a look around the world where 2 populations have come
> into contact for long periods of time the result is a mixed
> population. The mixing is inevitable. Sorry. In some areas of the US
> the mixing is already approaching equilibrium. The only places in the
> world that can maintain 'racial' distinction are places in which the
> rate of selection and drift are greator than geneflow between adjacent
> populations. Thus the magnitude of absolute distinction is going to be
> inversely proportional to magnitude of differences between the
> adjacent populations. Again, in the US, one has migratory laborers and
> ex-slaves of extremely diverse origin diliberately interdispersed in
> the host population ('whites') by the hosts. And, No, bob, this ain't
> new, this started well before the invention of political correctness,
> it started when land owners brought in servants and slaves to do
> household chores.  Thus, the differences between whites and adjacent
> groups  are large and geographic distances resulting  inevitable
> hybridization and eventual genetic equalibrium.
>     If your ascestors were truley overwhelmed with the mixing problem,
> they probably should have never moved into areas (no, bob, we are not
> talking about apartment complexes) in which were  already genetically
> diverse. The only real solution for those who are obsessed with
> maintenance of racial purity is too literally move to a place were the
> genetic makeup of the _obsessed_  is closest to that of the population
> and that the population is relatively homogeneous. This is not a
> solution to your contrived 'white problem', it is the basic principle
> of breeding in close lines to maintain breed characterisitics. So if
> YOU desire to maintain distinct lineage, YOU must practice segregation
> to the extent that all your progeny and your progenies progeny will
> remain separated.    UNFORTUNATELY, there are only a few places in the
> world were _you_  will fit into that equation, and they aren't known
> for their elevated standards of living.
>    Finally, as I mentioned before there is no 'white problem'. This
> sounds like the so-called Jewish problem scenarios of the early 20th
> century. No one is trying to move the white race. As far as I know,
> no-one has contacted myself and suggest that myself or my relatives or
> friends move any place for any reason. As a matter of fact in our city
> our 'white' mayor wanted to incorperate a predominantly 'white' area
> in order to increase their participation in local politics, the
> annexees are reluctant in this regard. There are innumerable places in
> the US where one can move, unmolested, to areas of predominantly white
> makeup. Paternity testing of individuals indicate that there is a risk
> (~1% for the first birth, ~. 5% for each birth after that using female
> parent as standard) that hybridization will occur, despite the
> apparent voluntary separation.
>      Nonetheless,  the white 'race' is as sound as any other race;
> however, with the massive immigration which has occured over the last
> few hundred years, the equilibration of population diversity in many
> area are destined to produce hybrid populations. Sorry, but that's the
> way this genetic thing works. The price that one pays for being a
> conquerer is spreading ones genes to thin.
> 
> >       Don't worry, I'll keep repeating this until each and every one of you
> >clones has
> >heard it.
> 
> Still got your fingers in your ears, heh?
> I pulled the alt.anthropology from your spam line so those folks don't
> have to put up with your dribble. We can still carry on this
> conversation in alt.politics.clueless if it makes you feel any better.
> 
> Philip


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Laura Finsten wrote:
> 
> Ursus@sure.net (Ursus Major) wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
> >And do you know of an instance where it is hammered home, that the
> >"Native American" bestowed syphillis on Whitey-the-Oppressor?
> 
> Would you like to play a game called "which diseases originated where"?
> Maybe a lot of people don't know that syphilis originated in the New
> World, I really don't know.  How many people know that smallpox, measles,
> chicken pox, bubonic plague, pneumonic plague and typhus all originated
> in the Old World?  Maybe that is better known than the syphilis thing.
> Yes, diseases went both ways.  There is a big difference, though, on
> the impact that the diseases had.  Syphilis, as I hope you know, is
> not transmissable except through intimate contact (gee, I wonder how
> those Europeans picked it up), and so it killed Europeans, but not in
> the massive waves that Old World diseases killed the indigenous population
> of the western hemisphere.  The Old World "gifts" were all contractable
> without intimate contact, and spread like wildfire.  In the Valley of
> Mexico, they wiped out 90 percent of the native population in 80 years.
> Hardly comparable to the impact of syphilis on the Old World, now is it,
> Mr. Bear?
> 
> [red herrings (and myths) about cannibalism deleted]
> 
> "If I can't dance..... I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>      Emma Goldman



	It's good to see the clones back on tehir hate whitey kick again.  It
was the standard theme when I got to this newsgroup.


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Rand McGee wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 3 Dec 1996, Ken Finto wrote:
> 
> > In article , christian.bau@isltd.insignia.com (Christian Bau) wrote:
> >
> > >God made different races to give people an opportunity to overcome their
> > >stupid prejudices. When so many people marry outside their race that races
> > >cannot be distinguished anymore, then we will have paradise on earth.
> > >
> > >(You think that is nonsense? Sure. But at least it is no racist nonsense. )
> >
> > Yes, what you wrote is nonsense.  Most people will not marry outside of
> > their race because they have nothing in common with people of another
> > race.
> >
> >
> 
> Please forgive for I am new to this newsgroup, but when I saw the last
> comment here about commonalities between races I felt I needed to respond.
> What is it that we dont have in common:
> 
> Members of all races work and dont work.
> Members of all races have families of some sort.
> Members of all races have some form of spirituality.
> Members of all races love, hate, and have relationships.
> 
> This is just to name a few.  It is not the lack of commonalities that
> holds apart from each other.  It is fear, hatred, and personal and
> institutional oppression.
> 
> Come on now - language, cultural, perspectives are just parts of our lives
> that may be different amound diverse populations.  These should be
> celebrated and understood, not used to say we dont share things in common
> with each other regardless of race, creed, nationality, sex, spirituality
> or sexual orientation.





	All traitors always claim they "are merely being objective".
	As I explain to each of you clones in turn, my problem with your
so-called "color blindness" is that, in terms of real world results, you
are only interested in doing it in white majority countries.  You demand
massive third world immigration into EVERY white majority country, and
ONLY into white majority countries.  You demand your so-called "race"
mixing, which is actually only *white* mixing, and you use public money
for busing and "low-cost"(black) housing to chase down any white
escapees.
	Your so-called solution to the race problem is always only the final
solution to the white problem.


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Alan Luchetti wrote:
> 
> Linda  wrote:
> 
> >Gezz, what a pack of @#$%ing wingers!
> 
> Actually I was a fly half.  If it's whingers you mean, Linda Anonymous,
> how was this a whinge?
> "None of which says anything either way about racial discrimination in
> immigration policy.  Fact is, we don't have it and won't have it (there
> has been a bipartisan statement in parliament to say so), much as
> Hanson's supporters may want it.  Net immigration is declining just as
> our economic fortunes have declined (in relative terms).  We're still a
> peaceful tolerant multicultural society with a better standard of living
> than most bean counters are able to discern."
> 
> >Would you prefer that the floodgates be open to every backward
> >country in Asia.
> 
> The only floodgates are in your distorted racist imagination.
> 
> >How about we fix the problems here first.
> 
> Exactly.  Let's start with the problem of racism - what's left of it.
> - -
> alan
>  L
> \-/



	You really have to be a submoron to look at the United States and want
this "multicultural society" crap.


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Kathleen Mulhern wrote:
> 
> In article <5803l2$hqg@is05.micron.net>, sbrian@micron.net (Brian Smith) wrote:
> 
> *According to your reasoning there is also no molecular evidence of
> *difference between monkeys and people.
> 
> No... by his reasoning there are no differences between races.  He was not
> talking about different species.  Read it again.
> 
> *Races are different groups of people with different physical
> *appearances and traits, capacities, average intelligence, abilities,
> *and general tendencies.
> 
> "Race" is a human construct to explain the differences in skin color and
> certain facial features.
> 
> *They evolved along different evolutionary paths.
> 
> They evolved along the same evolutionary path... that of the human species.
> 
> *Whites have genetic gifts in their gene pool other races don't
> *share in the same occurrence, or not at all.   It is important that
> *Whites preserve their unique gene pool if they value what is good for
> *them.
> 
> There is no such thing as a "pure race," as people have been mixing with
> peoples of varying skin tones since the dawn of time.  There is no
> possible way to trace ones heritage all the way back to the dawn of time
> and find not one instance of marriage or sexual relations with someone of
> a varying skin tone.  By "varying skin tone" I mean people from Ireland
> mating with Moors, people from Italy mating with people from England,
> European settlers in America mating with Native Americans or Africans,
> people from Asia mating with people from Germany... it has been going on
> since the human species first evolved.  Why do you suppose some people
> have olive toned skin and others have pale complexions?  Why do you
> suppose people have dark hair and dark eyes?  Why do you suppose skin tone
> among peoples with dark complexions varies so dramatically... from very
> very dark to almost fair?  Adolf Hitler himself was not, by any stretch of
> the imagination, a "pure aryan," as evidenced by his very dark hair and
> olive toned skin.  There is no such thing as a "pure race," and to say
> that there is or ever has been is to ignore simple, unavoidable fact.
> 
> --
> kate@accessone.com
> 
> "Phillip Morris Denies Cigarettes Are Cylindrical."
>           -Headline from "The Onion."




Another clone, another repeat:

	All traitors always claim they "are merely being objective".
	As I explain to each of you clones in turn, my problem with your
so-called "color blindness" is that, in terms of real world results, you
are only interested in doing it in white majority countries.  You demand
massive third world immigration into EVERY white majority country, and
ONLY into white majority countries.  You demand your so-called "race"
mixing, which is actually only *white* mixing, and you use public money
for busing and "low-cost"(black) housing to chase down any white
escapees.
	Your so-called solution to the race problem is always only the final
solution to the white problem.


From bwhit@conterra.com Sun Dec  8 07:24:37 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Philip Kasiecki wrote:
> 
> In article ,
> Kathleen Mulhern (kate@accessone.com) wrote:
> : In article <5803l2$hqg@is05.micron.net>,
> : sbrian@micron.net (Brian Smith) wrote:
> : *Races are different groups of people with different physical
> : *appearances and traits, capacities, average intelligence, abilities,
> : *and general tendencies.
> 
> : "Race" is a human construct to explain the differences in skin color
> : and certain facial features.
> 
>     Let's be honest here.  "Race" is all about skin color, except in the
> case of what some consider "borderline" individuals.  If I had thick
> lips and a broad nose, but still had my pale skin and short brown hair,
> no one would be telling me I'm Black.  However, if the only thing
> different about me now were my skin color, I'd be Black, according to
> this ridiculous construct.
> 
> : *Whites have genetic gifts in their gene pool other races don't share
> : *in the same occurrence, or not at all.   It is important that Whites
> : *preserve their unique gene pool if they value what is good for them.
> 
> : There is no such thing as a "pure race," as people have been mixing
> : with peoples of varying skin tones since the dawn of time.  There is
> : no possible way to trace ones heritage all the way back to the dawn of
> : time and find not one instance of marriage or sexual relations with
> : someone of a varying skin tone.
> 
>     Actually, I'd say it's virtually impossible- I'd leave the door open
> the smallest crack for the possibility that that hasn't happened- but I
> would bet on what you said, if I had to put money on it.
> 
> : Why do you suppose some people have olive toned skin and others have
> : pale complexions?  Why do you suppose people have dark hair and dark
> : eyes?
> 
>     I believe that it is due to the environments of the earliest people.
> The earliest Africans were in a very, very warm area, near the Equator-
> thus giving them their dark skin (and in varying tones, and I'll touch
> on that in a moment), nappy hair, broad noses, and thick lips.  The
> earliest Europeans were in a much cooler area, closer to the Artic
> Circle, so as such, they had different features, most notably their very
> light skin.  And so forth.
> 
> : Why do you suppose skin tone among peoples with dark complexions
> : varies so dramatically... from very very dark to almost fair?
> 
>     That is genetics, in part.  It's hard to predict what a child will
> look like as far as tone goes.  Two very dark-skinned people could
> produce a very light-skinned child, and vice versa.  And, I a White man,
> could have a child by a Black woman who winds up being darker than the
> woman!  Genetics is something, ain't it?!!
> 
> : There is no such thing as a "pure race," and to say that there is or
> : ever has been is to ignore simple, unavoidable fact.
> 
>     The idea that there are "pure" people is bullshit.
> 
>         Phil "the possibility is too negligible" Kasiecki
> 
> --
> Philip T. Kasiecki
> Electrical and Computer Engineering
> Northeastern University Class of 1999
> 
> "None of us alone can save the nation or the
> world.  But each of us can make a positive
> difference if we commit ourselves to do so."
> -Cornel West, "Race Matters"



	Just out of curiosity, can Kasiecki-Brown explain to me how in the OJ
trial they knew absolutely that the killer was black, whether it was OJ
or not?  Remember the animated reenactment?

All traitors always claim they "are merely being objective".
	As I explain to each of you clones in turn, my problem with your
so-called "color blindness" is that, in terms of real world results, you
are only interested in doing it in white majority countries.  You demand
massive third world immigration into EVERY white majority country, and
ONLY into white majority countries.  You demand your so-called "race"
mixing, which is actually only *white* mixing, and you use public money
for busing and "low-cost"(black) housing to chase down any white
escapees.
	Your so-called solution to the race problem is always only the final
solution to the white problem.


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Subject: Re: Why do Republicans want assault weapons?
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American Sea Captains wrote:
> 
> In article <577fif$pan@sjx-ixn8.ix.netcom.com>,
> cmarks@ix.netcom.com(christopher marks ) wrote:
> 
> > In  David Arno
> >  writes:
> > >
> > >In article <32920A56.6B2C@se-iowa.net>, Bruce Houck  > >iowa.net> writes
> > >>
> > >>WAKEUP.... If they outlaw guns then what would you do when the govt
> > >>declares Martial Law because of a race war or some other trumped up
> > >>excuse. There is a Govt within the Govt which cares nothing about
> > >>democracy or What our forefathers died for. All they care about is
> > power
> > >>and the fleeting ego boost it gives them. I for one Love my Country ,
> > >>the Constitution and the Flag of the United States Of America.. The
> > >>Greatest Country in the world and we need to insure it stays that
> > way.
> > >>If our forefathers did not think we should all be armed it would not
> > >>have been one of the first Articles.
> 
> 
> 
> I wish to inform everyone out there that, contrary to common belief, the
> 2nd Amendment to the Constitution (that's right, it's not ARTICAL 2 but
> AMENDMENT 2) does not guarantee an individual's right to own deadly
> weapons.  What it does protect is the right of the individual states to
> organize and maintain militias.  How can I back this up, you may ask?  For
> one, no historical record relating to passage of the first ten amendments
> (the Bill of Rights) supports any other purpose for the second amendment
> except state militias.  Second, the Founders never intended private gun
> ownership to be a check on the government's power.  The purpose behind
> Article V (the Amendment process) was to enable the people to change the
> Constitution, and its resulting government, through peaceful means.  The
> Founders wanted to end the need for armed insurrection, not create an
> inherent right to it!  Thirdly, and most importantly, the Supreme Court
> has ruled several times on the Second Amendment's meaning, and not once
> has it been held to defend an individual's right to carry a gun.  This is
> why the Brady Bill, ban on assault weapons, and the 1968 Act outlawing
> private ownership of automatic weapons have never been overturned.  They
> simply do not violate the Constitution.  I challenge anyone to provide
> sensible evidence to the contrary.
> As to my opinion on the POLITICAL issue of guns (seeing how it is not a
> constitutional issue), I feel they are having very destructive effects on
> our nation.  Perhaps 100, or even 50, years ago the citizenry was
> responsible enough to handle guns (I certainly have no problem with anyone
> owning a hunting rifle).  Today, however, things are different, and saying
> they're not is idiotic.  The correlation between gun ownership and our
> national murder rate is too closely related to be coincidental.  Aside
> from committing a crime, the only other use for most types of gun
> ownership seems to be to compensate for some psychological deficiency like
> paranoia, unpopularity, or small penis).




	What dso you know, he jsut happens to be for the gfovernment having all
the guns and, by a remarkable coincidence, he objectively says the
Constitution says just that.
	What a lovely coincidence!


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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Phil Nicholls wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> >Phil Nicholls wrote:
> >>
> >> Bob, I have actually read much of Coon's work and as far as I am
> >> concerned  Coon was ill-treated by anthropology and by some
> >> anthropologists.   Milford Wolpoff's multi-regional hypothesis of
> >> human origins is based in no small part on Coon's work.
> 
> >> I will go even farther.   I can remember the backlash against
> >> sociobiology by cultural anthropologists and only a fool would believe
> >> that this was not about the politics of cultural anthropology and it's
> >> rejection of anything it say as biological determinism.
> 
> >> I remember being part of the graduate student faculty search committee
> >> and how any physical anthropologists whose work suggested any sympathy
> >> to sociobiology was immediately rejected.
> 
> >> I can also tell you about Vincint Sarich's class at UC Berkeley being
> >> disrupted by individuals who are uncomfortable about the questions he
> >> asks and being labeled a  racist for asking them.
> 
> >> Bob, what you are doing is exactly the same as what those students and
> >> anthropologists did.   They label anyone who disagrees with them a
> >> bigot, a racists, a biological determinist.
> >>
> >> You label everyone who disagrees with you a "PC Clone."
> >>
> >> How very sad that you have become the thing you hate.
> >>
> >> Phil Nicholls
> >> pnich@digiworldinc.com
> >> "To ask a question, you must first know
> >>   most of the answer."  Robert Sheckley
> 
> >       You're making excellent points, but I am afraid that the allowance
> >given to heresy early in the centruy is simply no longer the case in
> >anthropolgy.  What you say about the suppresion of sociobiology and of
> >Carleton Coon has been repeatedly and loudly denied by the PC clones in
> >this newsgroup.
> 
> Bob, you began this whole think with a rant on Boas which turned out
> to be historically inaccurate.   Your point was that anthropology was
> somehow ALWAYS at the call of "the establishment."   


	
	I am not quite sure which thing this is that all
 Scientific Anthropologists agree I was wrong on this time.
  What I said was that Boas went from a fringe and a bit of
 a joke in 1939 to the Only True Scientific Anthropologist 
in 1945.  I remember during my entire youth reading the same
 quote, over and over an over in all respectable pyublications,
 that modern anthropologists had proven the races were equal.
  Period.
	This has gone down the same old Memory Hole, of course,
 that all discreditted liberal crap goes down, never to be heard
 from again, but it was the only point of view when I was in grad
 school.
	Scientific Anthropology is, in fact, always Politically 
Correct,  and the 1939-1945 abrupt shift of True Science was just 
a rather obvious example.
	You are again insisting it is merely being objective, 
and the Poltical Correctness is a chance biproduct.  It must be 
nice to able to believe that kind of thing.
	Actually, though, I don't really care what doctrine your 
so-called scientific anthropology agrees with this year.
	My problem with your so-called "color blindness" is that,
 in terms of real world results, you are only interested in doing
 it in white majority countries.  You demand massive third world 
immigration into EVERY white majority country, and ONLY into white
 majority countries.  You demand your so-called "race" mixing, which 
is actually only *white* mixing, and you use public money for busing
 and "low-cost"(black) housing to chase down any white escapees.
	The best definition I know of *the white race* is that it is 
your Politically Correct target.   When your academic heroes are
"dealing 
with the race problem", they target the white race perfectly.
	Your so-called solution to the race problem is always only the
 final solution to the white problem. 




   The fact is
> that anthropology is 



  The fact is
> that anthropology is always somewhat heretical -- at least a part of
> it is.



	NEVER on race.



  It seems to try to re-invent itself every 20 years or so.
> 
> Sociobiology was not suppressed.  There were those who tried but it
> was the exception rather than the rule.


	Typical clone Doublethink.  It was suppressed but not destroyed,
so it was not suppressed.  In your Politically Correct environment, you
wouldn't be called on a silly-ass comment like that, but here you will.




  There is even a journal now
> -- Ethology and Sociobiology.   A lot of cultural anthropologists
> don't like it, but so what.   The fact is that sociobiological models
> can very easily turn ugly and have.  We need the opposition to keep
> them from those excesses.   Biology is not destiny, it is just
> biology.
> 
> Carelton Coon was ill-treated by some anthropologists but he continued
> to teach, was able to publish.   Coon's problem was that he was about
> 20 years out of date.   No matter how you cut it, racial taxonomies
> are typological.   Coon's five racial groups lumped together peoples
> whose phenotypic similarity had more to do with parallel evolution.
> Race was abandoned because it was replaced by better methods of
> studying biological variation and not because of any plot by PC
> clones.
> 
> Finally, your "shouting" has nothing to do with my mentioning the
> various incidents and I really doubt if others simply deny that these
> t hings happen.


	You "doubt" it because you are Poltically Correct and don't see
 what they said -- your faith is impeccable.
	

   The point is that they do not happen often enough to
> justify the hysteria you manifest here.




If think I'm being hysterical, you ought to get on my side of the 
fence a while and listen to your academic heroes shriek.



> 
> xdd
> 
> >       If I had not kept shouting, you would not have said what you said in
> >this newsgroup.
> >       The simple fact of the matter is that in this day and age, one must
> >call the PC clones repeatedly, because there is no countervailing force
> >inside the academy.
> 
> Phil Nicholls
> pnich@digiworldinc.com
> "To ask a question, you must first know
>   most of the answer."  Robert Sheckley


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Philip Kasiecki wrote:
> 
> In article <32A0BBF4.2C64@conterra.com>,
> Bob Whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
> : Laura Finsten wrote:
> : > fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu (Fragano Ledgister) wrote:
> : > >Brian Smith (sbrian@micron.net) wrote:
> : > >: Right.  As if you "not feeling engulfed" in any way refutes that
> : > >: Whites as a race are being rapidly dissolved.
> 
> : > >Be so kind as to explain what this means?
> 
> : > Allow me, Fragano.  See, the "White race" are like snowpersons in
> : > the spring.  They're just melting away into a puddle of ZOG-rayed
> : > sperm that has zero reproductive value.
> : >
> : > That clear things up?
> 
> :       The bottom line in all this crap is that these PC's are stating that
> : no one is concerned about third world immigration.
> :       Oh, yes, that clears things up all right.
> 
>      I challenge Whitaker to find any part of the post he is responding
> to that says that.



You clones persist in the illusion that everybody here has not heard
your Political
Correctness until they can recite in their sleep.  We have heard your
whole PC routine
hundreds of times at public expense.
	You still think you're some kind of mystery, and it takes a mind reader
to get
behind your words.
	Undeceive yourself.




> 
> :       I used to think this was some kind of gambit, that the clones
> : were just acting sturpid to stonewall me.
> 
>     "Sturpid"?  What does that mean?  I might add that Whitaker's lying
> ways stonewall him more than any other person possibly can.  In other
> words, he does a great job of beating himself, since he frequently makes
> accusations that he does not back up.
> 
>         Phil "why does Whitaker choose to lie about the words of others
> all the time?" Kasiecki
> 
> --
> Philip T. Kasiecki
> Electrical and Computer Engineering
> Northeastern University Class of 1999
> 
> "None of us alone can save the nation or the
> world.  But each of us can make a positive
> difference if we commit ourselves to do so."
> -Cornel West, "Race Matters"


From bwhit@conterra.com Sun Dec  8 07:24:41 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Brian Smith wrote:
> 
> jimwalsh@transend.com.tw (Jim Walsh) wrote:
> 
> >In article <57ip6m$7r0@is05.micron.net>,
> >   sbrian@micron.net (Brian Smith) wrote:
> 
> >:: the White gene pool:
> >::that rare gene pool which posseses the unique talents and gifts of the
> >::White race that have enabled it to produce Beethovens, Rembrandts,
> >::Durers, Thomas Edisons, Teslas, and Newtons.
> 
> >The only one I know of for sure is Beethoven (who was part Moorish; i.e.,
> >"Black" in Brian's terms). Anyone out there have information of "dis-reputable
> >ancestors for this cast of characters?
> 
> Poppycock.  Please post your proof that Ludwig van Beethoven of Bonn,
> Germany was "part Moorish."  (actually Moorish is an Arab/Berber
> mixture).  This sounds like another desperate attempt by politically
> correct "African History" adherents.
> 
> >BTW, Brian, you seem to be missing some of the greatest inventors like the
> >Chinese people who invented the compass, gun-powder, and the printing press;
> >or the Arabs who invented the concept of zero; or Jews like Einstein who
> >replaced Newton's world view with a much more sophisticated and mathematically
> >complex one. Is it possible that your "greatest race" is simply bad
> >scholarship?
> 
> Considering that I never said "noone but Whites ever invented
> anything" your point is just another strawman.  (Your reading skills
> are in need of remedial help IMO.)  But let me clear up a few of your
> fallacies:
> 
> What is called "arabic numerals" is a number system developed in Aryan
> India around 3rd century B.C.   The precise origin of zero is actually
> unknown since is doesn't appear in any writing before 400 A.D.
> Schwarz, a German monk of the early 14th century, was the first person
> to employ gunpowder for propelling a projectile.  Before that
> gunpowder was not "gunpowder" as such but used by the Chinese only for
> firecrackers.  As far the printing press is concerned, signet rings
> and blocks were used by the Babylonians.  The European press was
> invented independent of the Chinese.   As far as Einstein goes, the
> mathematics behind his "theory of relativity" were actually worked out
> by Poincare.  Its field equations are from Hilbert.   The theory of
> relativity is premised on the assertion that nothing can move faster
> than the speed of light,  a position disproved in 1993 when
> researchers at the University of California beamed particles of light
> (photons) at a specifically designed optical filter 1.7 faster than
> the speed of light.
> 
> But since you brought up the point, it still remains true that no
> other race has developed as many inventions and scientific
> advancements as has the White race.
> 
> Brian Smith
> www.natall.com
> 
> "It's Great To Be White!"






	Boy, Brian, you sure showed him up to be a cliche-ridden moron!


From bwhit@conterra.com Sun Dec  8 07:32:10 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Re: Sorry, Bobby.  You're All Wet!
Date: Sat, 07 Dec 1996 18:53:39 -0500
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Ken McVay OBC wrote:
> 
> In article ,
> moo@midtown.net (Bryan Cowan) wrote:
> 
> >In article <584jie$1p6@basement.replay.com>, nobody@REPLAY.COM (Anonymous)
> >wrote:
> 
> >Why can't you use your REAL name and address, Mr Paranoid Anonymous? Are
> >you afraid that the Evil Jooz will come and take you away to be
> >reeducated?
> 
> Bobby never was much for standing up for his twisted value system
> - he always was a coward. (Anton's just as big a coward, so it
> shouldn't surprise anyone to see another h*ber hiding behind
> anonymous skirts... where else would our Noble Aryan Hero think to
> hide?)
> 
> --
> Nizkor Canada          | http://www.nizkor.org
> -----------------------| Remember John Hron
>                        |--------------------------------------
>      http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/h/hron-john/



And THIS IS AN OBC TALKING!!!!!
GOD, WE MERE MORTALS ARE SO HONORED!!!


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Philip Kasiecki wrote:
> 
> In article <32A0BBF4.2C64@conterra.com>,
> Bob Whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
> : Laura Finsten wrote:
> : > fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu (Fragano Ledgister) wrote:
> : > >Brian Smith (sbrian@micron.net) wrote:
> : > >: Right.  As if you "not feeling engulfed" in any way refutes that
> : > >: Whites as a race are being rapidly dissolved.
> 
> : > >Be so kind as to explain what this means?
> 
> : > Allow me, Fragano.  See, the "White race" are like snowpersons in
> : > the spring.  They're just melting away into a puddle of ZOG-rayed
> : > sperm that has zero reproductive value.
> : >
> : > That clear things up?
> 
> :       The bottom line in all this crap is that these PC's are stating that
> : no one is concerned about third world immigration.
> :       Oh, yes, that clears things up all right.
> 
>      I challenge Whitaker to find any part of the post he is responding
> to that says that.



You clones persist in the illusion that everybody here has not heard
your Political
Correctness until they can recite in their sleep.  We have heard your
whole PC routine
hundreds of times at public expense.
	You still think you're some kind of mystery, and it takes a mind reader
to get
behind your words.
	Undeceive yourself.




> 
> :       I used to think this was some kind of gambit, that the clones
> : were just acting sturpid to stonewall me.
> 
>     "Sturpid"?  What does that mean?  I might add that Whitaker's lying
> ways stonewall him more than any other person possibly can.  In other
> words, he does a great job of beating himself, since he frequently makes
> accusations that he does not back up.
> 
>         Phil "why does Whitaker choose to lie about the words of others
> all the time?" Kasiecki
> 
> --
> Philip T. Kasiecki
> Electrical and Computer Engineering
> Northeastern University Class of 1999
> 
> "None of us alone can save the nation or the
> world.  But each of us can make a positive
> difference if we commit ourselves to do so."
> -Cornel West, "Race Matters"


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dckom wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 30 Nov 1996 12:01:05 -0500 c.e., Bob Whitaker 
> wrote :
> 
> >       "Cultural critique", my ass!
> >       You're trying to get his back into the cliches you're used to. I didn't
> >say a damned thing about "cultural critique".  I said the whore
> >"anthropology" goes along with absolutely anything the establishment
> >wants to believe about race, when the establishment wants to believe it.
> 
>         Now,Boobie, weren't you the one who got all over Laura Finsten for
> cussin? Note, you're the first person in this thread to start slinging
> vulgarities.But then, an argument could be made that your whole discourse
> is vulgar and obscene.
> 
>         David
> 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Free thought, neccessarily involving freedom of
> speech and press, I may tersely define thus:no
> opinion a law-no opinion a crime.
>           Alexander Berkman




I don't remember ever criticizing Finsten for cussing.  The term
"intellectual whore" is not obscene, but it is descriptive.


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James E. Walsh wrote:
> 
> Brian Smith (sbrian@micron.net) wrote:
> : "xxx"  wrote:
> 
> : >I do believe I read it somewhere that there is no molecular evidence of
> : >difference in people, the variations in genetic coding is so minimal that
> : >it falls within the scope of normal human DNA difference.
> 
> : According to your reasoning there is also no molecular evidence of
> : difference between monkeys and people.
> 
> Nope. The DNA of monkeys is well outside the normal variations in human DNA.
> 
> : >Therefore it begs the question, what is race and what is it's relevance?.
> 
> : Races are different groups of people with different physical
> : appearances and traits, capacities, average intelligence, abilities,
> : and general tendencies.  They evolved along different evolutionary
> : paths.  Whites have genetic gifts in their gene pool other races don't
> : share in the same occurrence, or not at all.   It is important that
> : Whites preserve their unique gene pool if they value what is good for
> : them.
> 
> You are beginning to use the words of science, but that doesn't make the
> sentences you write scientific. You have still failed to answer the
> question: what is a "white"?





Another clone, another repeat:

	To repeat,  I don't get bogged down with PC clones  in the sophistry of
"defining the white race". When you say there is no white race, you are
tacitly admitting that you
are interested in immigration and integration in ALL white Majority
countries, and ONLY in white majority countries.  The only way you can
claim this pattern is not genocide is to say there is no white race.  
        I don't get drawn into this definitional sophism.  I
concentrate  on the admission behind it.
	You know exactly what the white race is.  You target it perfectly.







> --
>                 Love, Jim Walsh
> 
> [P.S. In Newsgroups, I often correct English mistakes in quoted material
> without any intention of changing the meaning.]


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bgeorge wrote:
> 
> In article <57ob00$165@is05.micron.net>, sbrian@micron.net says...
> >
> >holman@elo.helsinki.fi (Eugene Holman) wrote:
> >
> >>In article <57cmre$g1v@is05.micron.net>, sbrian@micron.net (Brian Smith) wrote:
> >
> >>> You are genetically most similar to those of your own race.
> >
> >>This is patently false.
> >
> >Rather it is self-evident.
> >
> >>Races are not well-defined categories. A person who is 1/4 black is
> >>defined, at least in the North American scheme of things, as 'Black',
> >>despite the fact that 75% percent of his/her heritage is from another
> >>race; a person who is 1/2 black is also regarded as black, even though
> >>he/she bears an equaly degree of genetic similarity to the two races of
> >>his/her parents.
> >
> >The existence of mulattos do not eradicate the existence of races any
> >more than mutts of differing breeds eradicate the existence of the
> >nderlying breeds themselves.
> >
> >>> Obviously, a robin is genetically closer to the immediate brothers and
> >>> sisters of the same hatch than it is to a cowbird or a condor.
> >
> >>In families with mixed-race parents it frequently occurs that some of the
> >>children are able to 'pass' as white, others aren't. Thus, they are
> >>regarded as belonging to different races, even though they are siblings. I
> >>know of a family in Michigan that got into all kinds of amusing situations
> >>because one of their twin daughters was listed in the school records as
> >>'African-American', the other as 'White'. They were actually quite similar
> >>looking, but a slightly lighter complexion and straighter, auburn colored
> >>hair made one sister be perceived as 'White', the other as
> >>'African-American'.
> >
> 
> I AM RESPONDING TO THIS INACCURACY:
> 
> >Nothing you said has refuted that a White person is genetically far
> >more similar to another White than he is to a Negro or an Asian.
> 
> One thing you do not mention is that 95% of the DFNA strings of all people are Genetically
> identical.  Consequently your statement should state:
> 
> have a few dissimilarities in their genetic makeup.  Not are far more
> different.

	Exactly the same thing must be said of people and apes.  You're talking
half that five percent, a gene difference of only 2%.  But I think the
difference between an ape and a man is substantial.  You obviously don't


> 
> Please try to use the proper terminology in your idiotic ravings.
> 
> George Bjorkman


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James E. Walsh wrote:
> 
> van meter (johns@iaxs.net) wrote:
> 
> : In the O.J. Simpson trial they were able to tell from DNA tests
> : that the blood of the
> : murderer came from a Black .
> 
> This is simply a false statement.
> -do not constitute facts.
>                 Love, Jim Walsh
> 
> [P.S. In Newsgroups, I often correct English mistakes in quoted material
> without any intention of changing the meaning.]



	Why did the computer reenactment show a black doing it?  No one
challenged it, because that had been established.
	Outside your Politically Correct environment, your wishes do not make
something fact.


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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Subject: Re: There are no Races: evidence.
Date: Sun, 08 Dec 1996 12:55:16 -0500
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Jarrod Stenberg wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 3 Dec 1996, Kathleen Mulhern wrote:
> 
> > In article <5803l2$hqg@is05.micron.net>, sbrian@micron.net (Brian Smith) wrote:
> >
> > *According to your reasoning there is also no molecular evidence of
> > *difference between monkeys and people.
> >
> There is little difference between the DNA structure of the Binobo Chimp
> and the Homo Sapien, but this is enough to keep them from breeding with
> one another.
> 
> >
> 
> > *Races are different groups of people with different physical
> > *appearances and traits, capacities, average intelligence, abilities,
> > *and general tendencies.
> >
> Here's a challenge:  Prove that you are intelligent.  Prove that you are
> more intelligent than you friends. Hint: you do not need a ruler and you
> can leave your pants on.
> >
> > *They evolved along different evolutionary paths.
> 
> The word here is geographic in place of evolutionary: geographic isolation.
> Darwin did not put forth these ideas of social fitness, by the way.
> These ideas are the products of megalomaniacs contemplating their
> superiority as they ponder the misery of all have-nots.
> 
> >
> > They evolved along the same evolutionary path... that of the human species.
> Yup.
> >
> > *Whites have genetic gifts in their gene pool other races don't
> > *share in the same occurrence, or not at all.   It is important that
> > *Whites preserve their unique gene pool if they value what is good for
> > *them.
> >
> Gifts?  Yeah, like inheritence of power structures that date back through
> this century.  Power structures and their mastery are learned behaviors
> in an isolated environment.  Gifts are stolen labor from the
> powerless--those in an environment that does not tend to nourish power.
> 
> > There is no such thing as a "pure race," as people have been mixing with
> > peoples of varying skin tones since the dawn of time.  There is no
> > possible way to trace ones heritage all the way back to the dawn of time
> > and find not one instance of marriage or sexual relations with someone of
> > a varying skin tone.  By "varying skin tone" I mean people from Ireland
> > mating with Moors, people from Italy mating with people from England,
> > European settlers in America mating with Native Americans or Africans,
> > people from Asia mating with people from Germany... it has been going on
> > since the human species first evolved.  Why do you suppose some people
> > have olive toned skin and others have pale complexions?  Why do you
> > suppose people have dark hair and dark eyes?  Why do you suppose skin tone
> > among peoples with dark complexions varies so dramatically... from very
> > very dark to almost fair?  Adolf Hitler himself was not, by any stretch of
> > the imagination, a "pure aryan," as evidenced by his very dark hair and
> > olive toned skin.  There is no such thing as a "pure race," and to say
> > that there is or ever has been is to ignore simple, unavoidable fact.
> >
> Yup, every freckle is a dark man or woman piercing the surface, more or
> less.  I think Hitler acknowledged this to a certain extent.  His
> heritage was Gypsy which I think is one of the more difficult "races" or
> "ethnicities" to identify, he wass a mixed bag.
> 
> > --
> > kate@accessone.com
> >
> > "Phillip Morris Denies Cigarettes Are Cylindrical."
> >           -Headline from "The Onion."
> >
> >
> 
> --
> Jarrod P. Stenberg
> sten0013@gold.tc.umn.edu
> http://www.tc.umn.edu/nlhome/g414/sten0013/
> St. Paul, Minnesota  --  U.S.A




	What a perfect example of a predictable, perfectly Political Correct
replay.

	 In any given time and place, you will be Politicially Correct.  In
Nazi Germany, you'd be turning the Jews in to your beloved
establishment.  Under Stalin, you'd be denouncing
your family to the KGB.  In this time and place you're Politically
Correct, too.
	My problem with your so-called "color blindness" is that,
 in terms of real world results, you are only interested in doing
 it in white majority countries.  You demand massive third world 
immigration into EVERY white majority country, and ONLY into white
 majority countries.  You demand your so-called "race" mixing, which 
is actually only *white* mixing, and you use public money for busing
 and "low-cost"(black) housing to chase down any white escapees.
	The best definition I know of *the white race* is that it is 
your Politically Correct target.   When your academic heroes are
"dealing 
with the race problem", they target the white race perfectly.
	Your so-called solution to the race problem is always only the
 final solution to the white problem.


From bwhit@conterra.com Sun Dec  8 12:12:38 PST 1996
Article: 38226 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Subject: Re: What does Brian Smith want that is different from what Hitler wanted?
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James E. Walsh wrote:
> 
> Brian Smith (sbrian@micron.net) wrote:
> : What is called "arabic numerals" is a number system developed in Aryan
> : India around 3rd century B.C.
> 
> Nonsense. "Aryan India" is a figment of your imagination.
> --
>                 Love, Jim Walsh
> 
> [P.S. In Newsgroups, I often correct English mistakes in quoted material
> without any intention of changing the meaning.]


	Walsh has completely forgotten he is not in a Politically Correct
environment, where facts are whwat he wants them to be.


From bwhit@conterra.com Sun Dec  8 12:14:36 PST 1996
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Subject: Re: !! FREE ALL POLITICAL PRISONERS/POW'S !!
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Marpessa Kupendua wrote:
> 
> ! ! !    F R E E   A L L   P O L I T I C A L
>          P R I S O N E R S  /  P O W ' S    ! ! !
> ******************************************************
> 
> NALF:  CBC-Cointelpro Campaign
> 
> Written by Jalil A. Muntaquin:
> 
> Dear Comrades and Friends:
> 
> Today, there exist in U.S. prisons hundreds of political prisoners,
> some of whom can directly link their imprisonment to the illegal
> activities of FBI Counter Intelligence Program (Cointelpro).  Due
> to government failure to establish remedies for victims of
> Cointelpro, these political prisoners has been incarcerated over
> 20 years.
> 
> On February 13, 1996, representatives of the New Afrikan
> Liberation Front, and the NYC Coalition to Free Mumia Abu
> jamal, met with several staff  representatives of Congressional
> Black Caucus (CBC). They discussed the impact of Cointelpro on
> the existence of political prisoners and political exiles, and the
> means and method to convene hearings on Cointelpro.  CBC staff
> representatives suggested that an effort should be made to call for
> an Update of the Church Senate Committee On Cointelpro--20
> Years Later.  It was also suggested that a national letter-writing/
> fax/phone call campaign be organized addressing the entire
> congressional body to support the hearings.
> 
> It is hereby requested that all progressive supporters of political
> prisoners and political exiles participate in this national
> campaign.   We are asking everyone to  contact their congressional
> representative to urge them to convene these hearings, as they did
> for the Ruby Ridge incident, to Update the Church Senate
> Committee on Cointelpro--20 Years Later.
> 
> Please send a copy of all letters and fax to the New Afrikan
> Liberation Front--Ad. Unit, P.O. Box 340084, Jamaica, NY 11434
> or fax to 718-949-3937. Write NALF for more information on the
> campaign or NALF activities.
> 
> ========================
> 
> FREE THE QUEENS 2!
> BASHIR HAMEED - ABDUL MAJID
> 
> FROM FREEDOM FIGHTERS TO BLACK POLITICAL
> PRISONERS
> 
>       Abdul Majid and Bashir Hameed, like most Black political
> prisoners in the U.S., were once members of the Black Panther
> party (BPP), a Black political organization active in the 1960s and
> early 1970s which was committed to the self-determination of the
> African-American community.  The BPP, like other Black
> organizations was engaged in struggle for the political
> empowerment of the African-American community.  Panther
> programs focused on community control of education and the
> police, adequate health care, ending the genocidal proliferation of
> drugs and police brutality.  The U.S. government's response to
> these programs was one of brutal repression, criminalization,
> political frame-ups and assassinations.
>       In 1967, the Federal Bureau of Investigation expanded its
> racist covert program, known by the acronym COINTELPRO, to
> include local state law enforcement agencies.  By 1968 the BPP
> and its leadership had become the major FBI target for destruction:
> a full 80% of government COINTELPRO efforts directed at the
> Black movement were aimed at the Black Panthers.  This
> counterintelligence program was according to government
> documents, designed to "neutralize" the Black liberation movement
> by any means necessary.
>       Repression and criminalization of the Black Liberation
> Movement and Black people has occurred since slavery and
> continues today in various forms.  Historically, the federal state
> and local governments of the United States have used overt and
> covert means to repress the struggles of Black people for human
> rights and self-determination.  The best known example of the
> U.S. government's war against Black revolutionaries is the
> Counter-Intelligence Program (COINTELPRO).  One of the
> COINTELPRO's racist goals stated: "The Negro youth and
> moderates must be made to understand that if they succumb to
> revolutionary teaching, they will be dead revolutionaries."
> 
> WHO ARE ABDUL MAJID AND BASHIR HAMEED
> AKA/QUEENS TWO
> 
> ABDUL MAJID (Anthony LaBorde) was born in Queens, NY.
> Growing up in New York, Abdul became exposed to the teachings
> of El Hajj Malik El-Shabazz (Malcolm X) and the liberation
> struggles in Africa at a relatively early age.  During the 1960s
> Abdul worked in the Grass Roots Advisory Council, an anti-
> poverty program and by the late 1960s had joined the Black
> Panther Party (BPP).
>       Abdul was involved in most of the community based
> programs of the Black Panther Party in New York:  The free
> health clinic, free breakfast for children program, efforts to
> decentralize the schools and the police department and the defense
> of political prisoners.  As all members of the BPP, Abdul was
> affected by the FBI's counterintelligence efforts to destroy the
> Party and saw many of his comrades "neutralized" through
> murders, assassinations and frame-ups.
>       During the 1970s Abdul worked as a paralegal at Bronx
> Legal Services.  In 1981, he learned through the media that he and
> Bashir Hameed had been targeted for the murder of two police
> officers which had occurred in Queens in April, 1981.  Having
> experienced the "investigative" efforts of law enforcement as a
> member of the Black Panther Party, Abdul chose to live
> clandestinely.  He was arrested in Philadelphia in January, 1982
> and was brutally beaten by police after his arrest.  After three
> trials, Abdul was convicted in the Queens 2 case and given a
> prison sentence of 33 1/2 years to life.
> 
> BASHIR HAMEED (James York) was born and raised in New
> Jersey.  In the late 1950s and early 1960s, Bashir attended college
> on an athletic scholarship and for the first time traveled to other
> parts of the United States.  When he went to the South he observed
> the Jim Crow system which greatly affected him and his ideas
> concerning U.S. society.  In 1968, Bashir joined the Black Panther
> Party while residing in Oakland, CA.  Bashir returned home to
> New Jersey and quickly rose to the rank of Deputy Chairman of
> the New Jersey branch of the Black Panther Party.
>       FBI documents obtained during the 1970s reveal that during
> this time Bashir became a COINTELPRO target.  Among other
> operations, the Newark FBI office sent a spurious letter to Bashir's
> brother concerning an arrest.  By 1971, COINTELPRO operations
> succeeded in dividing the Black Panther Party and effectively
> destroying its ability to perform community-based public work.
>       After the demise of the Black Panther Party, Bashir
> continued to do political work as a union and community organizer
> in the rural south.  Bashir remains a steadfast advocate of Black
> people's right to self-determination and self-defense.
> 
> THE QUEENS 2 CASE
> 
>       As a direct result of their BPP membership and progressive
> political views, Bashir and Abdul were hunted, captured, framed
> and convicted of the 1981 murder and attempted murder of two
> police officers in St. Albans, Queens.
>       A few days after the shooting, police began circulating a
> folder of "suspects" which consisted exclusively of former
> members of the Black Panther Party and their associates.  Bashir
> and Abdul (James York and Anthony LaBorde) were identified in
> the media as chief suspects and targets of a "shoot to kill"
> manhunt.  Bashir was arrested in August, 1981 in South Carolina.
> Over a five year period, Bashir and Abdul were tried three times
> for this incident, the main witness being a man who was
> hypnotized by the police.  The first trial resulted in Abdul and
> Bashir being convicted of attempted murder.  The jury in the
> second trial was deadlocked at 8-4 for acquittal when the Judge
> declared a mistrial.  The third trial was presided over by Judge
> Gallagher (son and brother of a cop).  Throughout the trial, cops
> harrassed Abdul and Bashir's family members and supporters.  A
> racially stacked jury in the third trial returned a guilty verdict and
> sentenced Abdul and Bashir to 33 1/3 years to life.
> 
> CURRENT DEVELOPMENTS
> 
> For the past fifteen years, although Abdul and Bashir have been
> forced to live behind bars, as political prisoners they have
> continued to challenge injustice.  Their case is currently scheduled
> for its final appeal on May 2, 1996 before the Court of Appeals in
> Albany, New York.  On May 2nd, one point Abdul and Bashir's
> lawyers will argue is that the District Attorneys, in violation of the
> law, systematically excluded Blacks from the jury.  This assertion
> by the defense team was clearly borne out by District Attorney
> Gregory Lasak.  During a 1992 evidentiary hearing, D.A. Lasak
> attempted to justify to the Court why Blacks had been excluded by
> stating that "These cop-killing revolutionaries had gotten away in
> two previous trials and this was probably our last chance to get
> them.  We couldn't take the chance of those religious people
> serving as jurors in this trial."  May 2nd represents the final
> opportunity Abdul and Bashir will have to ask for a new trial.
> Therefore it is imperative that people come out and support these
> brothers.
> 
> WHAT CAN YOU DO TO HELP?
> 
> *  DEMAND an investigation of FBI CounterIntelligence Program
> (COINTELPRO).  This program has created the majority of the
> hundreds of Black political prisoners that America refuses to
> recognize.  Write to:  Larry Seabrooks, Chairman, Black & Puerto
> Rican Legislative Caucus, Legislative Office Bldg., Room 442A,
> Albany, NY  11248.
> **************************
> 
> Every liberation movement honors their political prisoners, their
> freedom fighters, because they make sacrifices for the people most
> of us never will.  When Nelson Mandela was still a political
> prisoner, there was not any ANC demand that was not tied to the
> freedom of South African political prisoners.  We knew of
> Mandela because his people would not let the world forget him or
> the other freedom fighters.  Yet Black political prisoners in the
> U.S. are generally unknown and unsupported.  Only we can
> change this.
> 
> The Campaign to Free Black Political Prisoners in the U.S. (P.O.
> Box 339, Bronx, NY 10463-0339) is a Black group committed to
> building public awareness about the U.S. government's repression
> of the Black Liberation movement which led to the existence of
> Black political prisoners.  They also advocate for their release.
> ******************************
> 
> WHO IS MUMIA ABU-JAMAL?
> 
> The sentence of death was passed on Mumia Abu-Jamal long
> before he ever appeared in a courtroom.  From the moment
> Mumia joined the Black Panther Party at the age of 14, he became
> one of the chief targets of Hoover's notorious
> "Counter-Intelligence Program" (COINTELPRO). Over 700 pages
> of FBI files were obtained after almost three years of fighting for
> them, which illustrate wide-ranging collusion between the FBI and
> the Philadelphia Police Department--particularly its Civil
> Disobedience Unit (CDU) and Intelligence Division "red squads"--
> extending to at least four other security agencies, including the
> Naval Investigative Service Office, Military Intelligence, Office of
> Special Investigation and the Secret Service.  The files prove that
> years before Mumia was framed in the death of a Philadelphia cop,
> the feds repeatedly tried to set him up on serious felony
> charges--including murder-- without any basis. This was S.O.P.
> (standard operating procedure) in the government's COINTELPRO
> war on black militants. The lies range from the absurd--the photo
> appended to the files is not of Mumia--to the outlandishly sinister.
> When the governor of Bermuda was assassinated in 1973, the feds
> tried to link the killing to Jamal, who had never been anywhere
> near Bermuda. They also falsely sought to paint him as an "urban
> guerrilla" associated with the Black Liberation Army, marking him
> to be assassinated by the cops the way BLA leader Zayd Shakur
> was.
> 
> The files repeatedly noted that Mumia was an effective and
> articulate spokesman and writer for the Black Panther newspaper,
> who "made the BPP look good because his approach was very
> positive." Indeed, not one among the steady stream of reports to
> FBI headquarters on Jamal's Panther activities, which were
> compiled at the rate of virtually one a week, indicated that he was
> ever engaged in anything other than public speaking and writing.
> Yet despite the FBI's acknowledgement that Jamal "has not
> displayed a propensity for violence" and was not once found with
> a gun throughout this period of intense surveillance, the files
> regularly labeled him "Armed and Dangerous"--a license for the
> cops and G-men to shoot first and ask questions later.
> 
> And they finally did shoot him, on the night of 9 December
> 1981. To send Jamal to death row, prosecutor Joseph McGill told
> the nearly all-white jury that Jamal's Panther past showed that he
> had been planning to kill a cop "all the way back then." The FBI
> files are replete with references to Jamal's denunciations in
> speeches and articles of the notoriously racist Philly cops and then-
> Mayor Rizzo in particular. Jamal incurred their wrath yet again in
> 1978, when as a prominent black radio journalist he came to the
> defense of the MOVE organization after a mammoth police siege
> of their Powelton Village home, in which one of the cops ended up
> being killed by a bullet from another cop's gun. At a press
> conference,  Rizzo ominously looked at Jamal as he blamed the
> officer's death on the "new breed of journalism," warning:
>      "They believe what you write, what you say. And it's got to
>      stop. And one day, and I hope it's in my career, that you're
>      going to have to be held responsible and accountable for
>      what you do."
> 
> Thousands of people dedicated to truth and righteousness recognize
> that Mumia was framed based on the bogus compilation of "facts"
> that have been the mainstay of mainstream media and mainstream
> media-fed "independent" journalists.  Meanwhile a Black man who
> has and continues to sacrifice much on our collective behalfs fights
> for his life, with the Supreme Kkkourt January 1997 deadline of
> determining whether or not Mumia is granted a new trial which
> will decide if a new death warrant will be signed fast
> approaches!  The struggle continues.
> ------------------------------------------------
> 
>        PARTIAL MAILING LIST FOR POLITICAL PRISONERS
>        (UPDATE  - NOVEMBER, 1996)
> 
> Mumia Abu-Jamal, AM 8335, 1040 E. Roy Furman Hwy,
> Waynesburg, Pa. 95370-8090
> Marshall E. Conway, 116469, Box 534, Jessup, MD 10794
> 
> Ruchell Cinque Magee, A92051, A5-232, Box 7500, Crescent
> City, Ca. 95531-7500
> Hugo L.A. Pinell, A88401, SHU D8-214,     "        "
> Abdul D.Shakur (J. Harvey), C48884 SHU D2-213, "        "
> 95532-7500
> Luis Rodriguez, C33000      "             "
> 
> Mutulu Shakur (Dr.), 83205-012, 601 McDonough Blvd, SE,
> Atlanta, Ga. 30315
> 
> Oscar Lopez Rivera, 87651-012,  U.S.P. Florence ADX, Box
> 8500, Florence, Co. 81226
> Tom Manning, 10373-016,    "                "              "
> Ray Luc Levasseur, 10376-016,        "                "
> Yu Kikumura, 09008-050,              "                 "
> Kojo Bomani Sababu (G. Brown) 39384-046        "      "
> 
> 
> Richard Mafundi Lake, 079972, 3700 Holman Unit 4-10T,
> Atmore, Al 36503-3700
> Kwabla Mthawabu (J. Williams) 92097-HOPE C-1, 1630 Prism
> Rd., Cottonport, La 71327
> Fred Hampton, Jr. aka, Alfred Johnson, B42954, Box 7711,
> Centralia, Ill. 62801
> Zolo Agona Azania (Rufus Averhart) 4969, Box 41, Michigan
> City, In. 46360
> Abdul Majid (Anthony LaBorde), 83A 0483, Box AG, Fallsburg,
> NY 12733-0116
> Bashir Hameed (James York) 82A 6313, Box 149, Attica, NY
> 14011-1049
> Ojore N. Lutalo CN 861-59860, Box CN-861, Trenton, NJ 08625
> 
> Teddy (Jah) Heath, 75A 0139, Box 700, Wallkill, NY 12589
> Mohaman Koti, 80A 808,      "               "
> 
> Rickke Greeen, 84244, Box 97, McAlester, OK 74502-0097
> Tafawa T. Balagoon 77297, 168 Frontage Rd., Newark, NJ 07114
> 
> (New York 3)
> Anythony Jalil Bottom, 77A-4283, Box 338, Napanoch, N.Y.
> 12458
> Herman Bell, 79C-0262, Box 51, Great Meadows CF, Comstock,
> NY 12821
> Nuh Washington, 77A-1528, Box 2001, Clinton CF, Dannemora,
> NY 12929
> 
> geronimo ji Jaga (Pratt),C11-225L, Box 40900, Ione, Ca. 95640
> Warren Wells, B23864, A3-218,       "          "
> 
> Sundiata Acoli (Squire), 39794-066, Box 1000, Unit 3, USP
> Allenwood, White Deer, Pa. 17887
> 
> Sekou Odinga, 05228-054, U.S.P. Lompoc, 3901 Klein Blvd,
> Lompoc, Ca. 93436
> Raphael Kwesi Joseph, 96558-131,    "                "
> Richard Williams, 10377-016,        "                "
> 
> Leonard Peltier,89637-132, Box 1000, Leavenworth, Ks 66048
> Jaan Laaman, 10372-016,            "                 "
> Bill Dunne, 10916-086,             "                 "
> 
> Abdul Aziz (Warren Ballentine), 96521-130,  "              "
> 
> Romaine Fitzgerald, B27527, CSP Sac C1209, Box
> 290066,Represa, Ca. 95671-0066
> Shaka Nantambu (Marvin Walker, Jr) C20900, San Quentin, Ca.
> 94974 (Death Row)
> Ndume Olatushani (Erskine Johnson), 11964 Unit 2-103A, RMSI
> 7475 Cockrill Bend Ind. Rd., Nashville, Tn 37209-1010 (Death
> Row)
> 
> Gene E. Williams, Jr., C92034, 4B-IL-4, Box 3481, Corcoran,
> Ca. 93212-3476
> Robert Anthony Malon, C49132 SHU 4B-L-3L,  "  "         8310
> 
> Marilyn Buck, (temporarily moved to Tex. medical facility for
> treatment to her leg from old injury), 00482-285, Box 27137, Rio
> Grande, Fort Worth, Tx. 76127
> 
> Dylcia Pagan, 88971-024, Camp Parks, 5701 8th St., Dublin, Ca.
> 94568
> Linda Evans, 19973-054,         "                  "                "
> Laura Whitehorn, 22432-037,  "                     "                "
> Donna Willmott, 38772-079    "                   "                  "
> Lucy Rodriguez, 88973-024    "                   "                  "
> Carmen Valentin, 88974-024,  "                   "                  "
> Alicia Rodriguez, N07157,    "                  "                  "
> 
> Norma Jean Croy, 14293, Box 1501, Chowchilla, Ca. 93610
> 
> Silvia Baraldini, 05125-054, Penmore Station, Danbury, Ct 06811
> Susan Rosenberg, 03684-016,      "          "               "
> Alejandrina Torres, 92142-024     "           "               "
> 
> Kathy Boudin, 84-G-171, Box 1000, Bedford Hills, NY 10501
> Judy Clark, 83-G-313,               "                       "
> 
> MOVE Prisoners
> Debbi Sims Africa, 006307, 451 Fullerton Ave., Cambridge
> Springs, Pa 15403-1238
> Janine Phillips Africa, 006309              "
> "
> Merle Austin Africa, 006306                "
> Janet Holloway Africa, 006308            "                            "
> 
> Charles Sims Africa, AM 4975, Box 244, Graterford, Pa
> 19426-0244
> Michael Davis Africa AM 4973      "                  "
> Edward Goodman Africa Am 4974, Box 200 Camp Hill, Pa
> 17011-0200
> William Phillips Africa Am 4984, Drawer K, Dallas, Pa. 18612
> Delbert Orr Africa AM 4985,        "               "                "
> 
> Hanif Shabazz Bey, 96521-132, 5880 State Hwy, 67S, Florence,
> Co. 81226
> ==============================
> 
> Compiled from various sources by:
> Sis. Marpessa Kupendua
> Afrikan Frontline Network
> http://www.webcom.com/nattyreb
> SUPPORT THE MARCH ON WALL STREET DEC. 9TH!
> 




	Would these poltical prisoners include people sentenced for speaking
under the so-called "hate Laws" which apply almost entirely to whites?


From bwhit@conterra.com Sun Dec  8 12:16:38 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Subject: Re: REMEMBER PEARL HARBOR!
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Bill Koehler wrote:
> 
> Pat Ryan wrote:
> >
> > 55 years ago today, 2403 Yanks were killed by the Japs attack on the
> > Hawaiian Islands. Lest we forget!
> > Sneaky bastards.
> 
> How did they sneak up on anyone?  The US had already broken the Japanese code
> and sent a warning.  The warning was sent low priority and got to Pearl Harbor
> on Monday.  They forgot about the intermational dateline.  Itinerant preacher



	The Japanes Embassy was trying to deliver a declaration of war to the
US before the attack took place.  They got tied down in their own little
bureaucracy and lack of more than one typewriter.


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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Koro wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 06 Dec 1996 14:38:22 -0500, Bob Whitaker 
> wrote:
> 
> > Robert Jenkins wrote:
> > >
> > > On Sat, 30 Nov 1996 14:13:06 -0500, Bob Whitaker
> > >  wrote:
> > >
> > > >       The reason you will not get a reply on this is that no one has given
> > > >the Politically Correct clones their marching orders on this issue
> > > >yet.   The second it is decided to push for restroom integration of the
> > > >sexes, all the Independent Thinkers will instantly decide they have been
> > > >conversted to it and fight for it.
> > > >       Anyone who opposes it will be A Nazi Who Wants To Kill Six Million
> > > >Jews.
> > > >       The clone routine never varies.
> > > >       Which, of course, is why they're clones.
> > >
> > > You will find, in other cultures and part of America, no problem
> > > with mixed bathing, showering, and outdoor recreation.  Therte is no
> > > need to demand equality when it is already a fact.
> 
> >       You probably haven't noticed that I keep capitalizing EVERY in my
> > posts. I don't mind there being practically all-black or practically
> > all-Asian countries.  The problem with Politically Correct people is
> > that they demand immigration into and integration in ONLY white
> > emajority countries and in EVERY white majority country on earth.   In
> > each country, every pocket of all-white housing or schooling or anythign
> > else must be rooted out.
> >       You point out the obvious fact that where people want same-sex
> > bathrooms, etc., they're welcome to have them.  But when the word goes
> > out to the PC clones, there will not be one single seprate bathroom
> > allowed.  That's the point.
> 
> Agreed.  I neither support, nor fight joined bathrooms, but it is an
> interesting theory to study, none the less.  The PC crowd will be
> screaming for same sex restrooms, and the moralists will be screaming
> for seperated restrooms.  Both sides will be going about this in a
> very idiotic maner...
>                                         KORO



Whatever.


From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Dec  9 05:18:37 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.skinheads,alt.conspiracy,alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Definition Of White Race
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william c anderson wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
> :
> :       All traitors always claim they "are merely being objective".
> 
> Yes, and everyone who doesn't agree with THE BOB is a traitor.
> 
> Resistance is futile.  You will be assimilated.


	"Assimilated" is another attempt to talk about this "antiracism" as if
we were talking about "the races".  We are not talking about abstract
world-wide "assimilation",


Another clone, another repeat:

	My problem with your so-called "color blindness" is that,
 in terms of real world results, you are only interested in doing
 it in white majority countries.  You demand massive third world 
immigration into EVERY white majority country, and ONLY into white
 majority countries.  You demand your so-called "race" mixing, which 
is actually only *white* mixing, and you use public money for busing
 and "low-cost"(black) housing to chase down any white escapees.
	The best definition I know of *the white race* is that it is 
your Politically Correct target.   When your academic heroes are
"dealing 
with the race problem", they target the white race perfectly.
	Your so-called solution to the race problem is always only the
 final solution to the white problem. 





> 
> :       As I explain to each of you clones in turn, my problem with your
> : so-called "color blindness" is that, in terms of real world results, you
> : are only interested in doing it in white majority countries.  You demand
> : massive third world immigration into EVERY white majority country, and
> : ONLY into white majority countries.  You demand your so-called "race"
> : mixing, which is actually only *white* mixing, and you use public money
> : for busing and "low-cost"(black) housing to chase down any white
> : escapees.
> :       Your so-called solution to the race problem is always only the final
> : solution to the white problem.
> 
> Of course, THE BOB refuses to present any evidence whatsoever for
> this rather odd assertion.  Insert shock and astonishment here--a
> racist who argues by assertion.
> 
> Bill


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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Ken McVay OBC wrote:
> 
> In article <32A897B8.3158@rio.com>, Chuck Ferree  wrote:
> 
> >Now this is further evidence to me that blackmore has his head clear
> >up his ass, where no sun-light can get in, because when he is asked
> >for any kind of proof of any of the silly things he writes, he
> >usually, says something like, well I'll have to look this up in my
> >85,000 book library. Not ever does this lying SOB try to prove
> >anything. He's a tap dancer, and I believe worse than that. The London
> >Bobbies will nail him some day.
> 
> Methinks Mr. Ferree may wish to ask Mr. Blackmore/Bellinger to
> define the term "proof." It should, if nothing else, provide
> additional amusement during the "holiday" season.
> 
> Perhaps, unlike Mr. Raven, who, when asked, bravely turned and ran
> away, Mr. Blackmore/Bellinger will tell us about his standards of
> proof...
> 
> ...or we can simply continue to watch the grass grow.
> 
> --
> Nizkor Canada          | http://www.nizkor.org
> -----------------------| Remember John Hron
>                        |--------------------------------------
>      http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/h/hron-john/





	Hey, Your Lordship McVay, OBC, no less.  You declare loudly that
you're  worried to death about war crimes on the Axis side.    But when
your fellow clone Chuck Ferree bragged that he strafed civilians
fighting on the Allies' side, you did not say a single word against this
kind of murder.
	Good old clone Doublethink!


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CSKBB@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker is mad, of course. And he thinks we haven't heard all his
> madness before--at public expense. He DEMANDS increasing white insanity
> in white countries and ONLY in white countries. Don't worry.  I'll keep
> repeating this until all his multiple personalities have heard the
> message.
> Carl Skutsch cskbb@cunyvm.cuny.edu





	This clone is so used to a Politically Correct environment, where his
opinions are always pushed at the expense of taxpayers, that he honestly
doesn't know what "at public expense" means.


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Philip Kasiecki wrote:
> 
> In article <32A4EBC3.2B74@conterra.com>,
> Bob Whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
> : Philip Kasiecki wrote:
> : > In article <01bbe155$db155a20$d7c6b7c7@default>,
> : > Richard A. Hernandez (Camillo@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
> : > : Richard ( Begining to hate me yet? ) Hernandez
> 
> : >     I have no room in my heart for hate.
> 
> :    Except fot whites, of course. That doesn't count.
> 
>     I challenge Whitaker to find anything by me where I have shown
> hatred for Whites.






	If fighting to do away with an entire race does not constitute hatred,
it's a damned good substitute.

Another clone, another repeat:

	My problem with your so-called "color blindness" is that,
 in terms of real world results, you are only interested in doing
 it in white majority countries.  You demand massive third world 
immigration into EVERY white majority country, and ONLY into white
 majority countries.  You demand your so-called "race" mixing, which 
is actually only *white* mixing, and you use public money for busing
 and "low-cost"(black) housing to chase down any white escapees.
	The best definition I know of *the white race* is that it is 
your Politically Correct target.   When your academic heroes are
"dealing 
with the race problem", they target the white race perfectly.
	Your so-called solution to the race problem is always only the
 final solution to the white problem. 

 


  In the meantime, I would love for him to check out
> posts I have made on other newsgroups denouncing people who show hatred
> for Whites.
>     Why does Whitaker choose to lie about the words of others?
> 
>         Phil "still waiting for an answer to that one" Kasiecki
> 
> --
> Philip T. Kasiecki
> Electrical and Computer Engineering
> Northeastern University Class of 1999
> 
> "None of us alone can save the nation or the
> world.  But each of us can make a positive
> difference if we commit ourselves to do so."
> -Cornel West, "Race Matters"


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Bob Whitaker wrote:
> 
> Drew Beck wrote:
> >
> > Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> > >
> > >> Honestly now, why do you even care if someone chooses to marry a person of
> > >> another ethnicity or "race"?  What's it to you?  Aren't you a champion of
> > >> liberty, and "freedom of choice"?
> > >
> > >
> > >Another clone , anotehr repeat:
> >
> > Yep, you keep calling me and others "clones" without knowing anything
> > about our backgrounds, situations, whatever.  Guess it's OK if I call all
> > the "whiteys first" believers clones too, eh?
> >
> > >As I explain to each of you clones in turn, my problem with your
> > >so-called "color
> > >blindness" is that, in terms of real world results, you are only
> > >interested in doing it in white majority countries.  You demand massive
> > >third world immigration into EVERY white majority country, and ONLY into
> > >white majority countries.
> >
> > *I* haven't demanded any such thing.  Personally, I don't care who chooses
> > to live where.  That's what it's all about--choice.  If you choose to live
> > only with others of "your kind" (whatever that is; I don't want to start
> > using labels or anything), that's fine.  For you, it must be unfortunate
> > that the US is a nation of immigrants.  As I've said earlier, my Irish
> > ancestors weren't welcome by many of the people who were already living in
> > the US at the time when they immigrated.  They just weren't the right kind
> > of people.
> >
> >   You demand your so-called "race" mixing,
> > >which is actually only *white* mixing, and you use public money for
> > >busing and "low-cost"(black) housing to chase down any white escapees.
> >
> > I don't demand this, either.  You're pretty good at second guessing me
> > without knowing much about me.
> >
> > >       Your so-called solution to the race problem is always only the final
> > >solution to the white problem.
> >
> > >> Do you believe in God?  Aren't all human beings children of God?  Where is
> > >> the problem?
> > >
> > >       People have been blaming God for their poltically Correct opinions of
> > >the moment for thousands of years.  This includes both your antiwhite
> > >genocide today and slavery in earlier days.
> > >       Blaming your politics on God is called blasphemy.
> >
> > But that doesn't answer my question.
> > >
> > >>
> > >> And about those "white majority countries" you refer to--except for
> > >> greater Europe and immediate surroundings, none of the countries *were*
> > >> white majority until they were invaded by "whitey"--the same thing in
> > >> reverse you seem to be afraid of with immigration and integration (though
> > >> I don't consider such things as an "invasion").
> >
> > >If such massive immigration and integration were being pushed on Africa,
> > >you would indeed consider it invastion, genocide, the whole nine yards
> > >-- against whites, of course, it's the highest kind of idealism.
> > >       Gosh, it just happens that, practically speaking, you agree with
> > >Poltical Correctness.   What a coincidence!!!
> >
> > I don't understand how immigration is being "pushed" on me. If someone
> > wants to move here in an attempt to make a better life (because of
> > poverty, political strife, whatever), how is that being "pushed" on me?
> > That's exactly why my ancestors settled here back in the early 1900s.
> > What's the difference with the people you are opposed to?
> >
> > Drew
> 
>         All traitors always claim they "are merely being objective".
>         As I explain to each of you clones in turn, my problem with your
> so-called "color blindness" is that, in terms of real world results, you
> are only interested in doing it in white majority countries.  You demand
> massive third world immigration into EVERY white majority country, and
> ONLY into white majority countries.  You demand your so-called "race"
> mixing, which is actually only *white* mixing, and you use public money
> for busing and "low-cost"(black) housing to chase down any white
> escapees.
>         Your so-called solution to the race problem is always only the final
> solution to the white problem.


From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Dec  9 12:16:02 PST 1996
Article: 57761 of alt.discrimination
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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.discrimination,alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.immigration
Subject: Re: blood sucking BRIAN SMITH and BOB WHITAKER
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Philip Kasiecki wrote:
> 
> In article <32A0BBF4.2C64@conterra.com>,
> Bob Whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
> : Laura Finsten wrote:
> : > fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu (Fragano Ledgister) wrote:
> : > >Brian Smith (sbrian@micron.net) wrote:
> : > >: Right.  As if you "not feeling engulfed" in any way refutes that
> : > >: Whites as a race are being rapidly dissolved.
> 
> : > >Be so kind as to explain what this means?
> 
> : > Allow me, Fragano.  See, the "White race" are like snowpersons in
> : > the spring.  They're just melting away into a puddle of ZOG-rayed
> : > sperm that has zero reproductive value.
> : >
> : > That clear things up?
> 
> :       The bottom line in all this crap is that these PC's are stating that
> : no one is concerned about third world immigration.
> :       Oh, yes, that clears things up all right.
> 
>      I challenge Whitaker to find any part of the post he is responding
> to that says that.



You clones persist in the illusion that everybody here has not heard
your Political
Correctness until they can recite in their sleep.  We have heard your
whole PC routine
hundreds of times at public expense.
	You still think you're some kind of mystery, and it takes a mind reader
to get
behind your words.
	Undeceive yourself.




> 
> :       I used to think this was some kind of gambit, that the clones
> : were just acting sturpid to stonewall me.
> 
>     "Sturpid"?  What does that mean?  I might add that Whitaker's lying
> ways stonewall him more than any other person possibly can.  In other
> words, he does a great job of beating himself, since he frequently makes
> accusations that he does not back up.
> 
>         Phil "why does Whitaker choose to lie about the words of others
> all the time?" Kasiecki
> 
> --
> Philip T. Kasiecki
> Electrical and Computer Engineering
> Northeastern University Class of 1999
> 
> "None of us alone can save the nation or the
> world.  But each of us can make a positive
> difference if we commit ourselves to do so."
> -Cornel West, "Race Matters"


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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Philip Deitiker wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> 
> >       Comrade Satlin got at least fifty million, most of them in peacetime.
> >Mao did even better.  I will admit, though, that "love and brotherhood"
> >idealism as an excuse for Christian slaughters is right up there in the
> >same league.
> 
> I see that now we're into body counting. Satlin (i.e. stalin) was more
> of a totalitarianist than a communist, with underlying paranoid
> tendancies, he killed people he believed were a threat to him
> irregardless of their poplical affiliations.  The numbers Moa killed
> are nowhere near the numbers that the japanese did in his country. Moa
> is actually attributed with saving millions of his people from
> starvation which might have died if the quasi-fuedal government that
> was in power had stayed there.




	Standard leftist line: Stalin and Mao were just misunderstood eh?
	Commmunism had nothing to do with it, etc.
	But Hilter's being bad was all because he was a right winger.
	Yea, right.





>      Secondarily, I dont think body counting is germane here. The
> europeans conquered, taking the territorial controls from native
> poeples and giving them to themselves. Whether or not these died
> immediately or were displaced insideously by the european incursions
> is immaterial. The european genetic contribution to new world
> populations exceeds the genetic contribution from natives.
> 
> The point is that from about 1600 years BC to about 50 years ago,
> indoeuropean population has been growing relative to average world
> population growth. Indoeuropean populations growth has begun to slow
> down as a result of:
> 
> 1. Being the major players in 2 world wars, internal conflicts, etc.
> 2. No more new territories to conquer.
> 3. Recovery of native populations of initial contact population
> declines. Immunization programs in third world countries can be
> attributed with this succes.


	Developed by native folk science, of course.




> 4. Loss of political control of puppet states, and exodus of
> conquering white populations
> 5. Equilibration of population levels in europe and population
> disequilibrium in Asia.
> 
> None the less the 'white' populations of countries like brasil



BRAZIL is WHITE?


 and
> argentina are still growing quickly.
> 
> The real question is why you have the paranoid 'stalinistic' fear that
> the world is trying to dissolve the white race? With all the obvious
> evidence for IE success I would think that this should be a non-issue.



As I explain to each of you clones in turn, my problem with your
so-called "color
blindness" is that, in terms of real world results, you are only
interested in doing it in white majority countries.  You demand massive
third world immigration into EVERY white majority country, and ONLY into
white majority countries.  You demand your so-called "race" mixing,
which is actually only *white* mixing, and you use public money for
busing and "low-cost"(black) housing to chase down any white escapees.
	Your so-called solution to the race problem is always only the final
solution to the white problem. 






> 
> As I said previously there is a huge region in eurasia where you can
> go seeing only white faces. I'm sure if you started a collection,
> there would be a great number of your 'fans' who would be willing to
> support your effort to reequilibrate your genes with your homologous
> counterparts, purging any possibility of unfortuitous mixing.



	Trying to say something to a clone is like pushing toothpaste back into
a tube.
	Each clone comes up with this "well, set up  your own country",
statement.  But
the fact is that the entire PC proggram is for racial balance in ALL
white majority
countries, and ONLY in white majority countries.  They would not
tolerate any whites
being allowed to live to themselves, anywhere on earth, and they have
said so repeatedly.
	So this challenge for us to set up our own country is bullshit.  They 
would crush us fast.
	And for reason.  We all know what happens when whites are temporarily
allowed
to set up their own communities.  The Politically Correct get racial
balance and busing,
and out go the whites.  So the PC then use their money to set up
"low-cost"(black)
housing in the escapee communities, and busing again.   And the cycle
repeats.
	The one thing Politically Correct people can never subject their
policies to is the criterion of whether they actually WORK or not.  They
also cannot allow it to matter
whether any of their victims WANT what they are pushing or not.  Those
tests always fail.
	As a result, the invariable result of Politically Correct policy, from
busing to the Berlin Wall, is always a major effort at blocking any
escape attempt.




> 
> Philip


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Philip Deitiker wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> 
> >       Comrade Satlin got at least fifty million, most of them in peacetime.
> >Mao did even better.  I will admit, though, that "love and brotherhood"
> >idealism as an excuse for Christian slaughters is right up there in the
> >same league.
> 
> I see that now we're into body counting. Satlin (i.e. stalin) was more
> of a totalitarianist than a communist, with underlying paranoid
> tendancies, he killed people he believed were a threat to him
> irregardless of their poplical affiliations.  The numbers Moa killed
> are nowhere near the numbers that the japanese did in his country. Moa
> is actually attributed with saving millions of his people from
> starvation which might have died if the quasi-fuedal government that
> was in power had stayed there.




	Standard leftist line: Stalin and Mao were just misunderstood eh?
	Commmunism had nothing to do with it, etc.
	But Hilter's being bad was all because he was a right winger.
	Yea, right.





>      Secondarily, I dont think body counting is germane here. The
> europeans conquered, taking the territorial controls from native
> poeples and giving them to themselves. Whether or not these died
> immediately or were displaced insideously by the european incursions
> is immaterial. The european genetic contribution to new world
> populations exceeds the genetic contribution from natives.
> 
> The point is that from about 1600 years BC to about 50 years ago,
> indoeuropean population has been growing relative to average world
> population growth. Indoeuropean populations growth has begun to slow
> down as a result of:
> 
> 1. Being the major players in 2 world wars, internal conflicts, etc.
> 2. No more new territories to conquer.
> 3. Recovery of native populations of initial contact population
> declines. Immunization programs in third world countries can be
> attributed with this succes.


	Developed by native folk science, of course.




> 4. Loss of political control of puppet states, and exodus of
> conquering white populations
> 5. Equilibration of population levels in europe and population
> disequilibrium in Asia.
> 
> None the less the 'white' populations of countries like brasil



BRAZIL is WHITE?


 and
> argentina are still growing quickly.
> 
> The real question is why you have the paranoid 'stalinistic' fear that
> the world is trying to dissolve the white race? With all the obvious
> evidence for IE success I would think that this should be a non-issue.



As I explain to each of you clones in turn, my problem with your
so-called "color
blindness" is that, in terms of real world results, you are only
interested in doing it in white majority countries.  You demand massive
third world immigration into EVERY white majority country, and ONLY into
white majority countries.  You demand your so-called "race" mixing,
which is actually only *white* mixing, and you use public money for
busing and "low-cost"(black) housing to chase down any white escapees.
	Your so-called solution to the race problem is always only the final
solution to the white problem. 






> 
> As I said previously there is a huge region in eurasia where you can
> go seeing only white faces. I'm sure if you started a collection,
> there would be a great number of your 'fans' who would be willing to
> support your effort to reequilibrate your genes with your homologous
> counterparts, purging any possibility of unfortuitous mixing.



	Trying to say something to a clone is like pushing toothpaste back into
a tube.
	Each clone comes up with this "well, set up  your own country",
statement.  But
the fact is that the entire PC proggram is for racial balance in ALL
white majority
countries, and ONLY in white majority countries.  They would not
tolerate any whites
being allowed to live to themselves, anywhere on earth, and they have
said so repeatedly.
	So this challenge for us to set up our own country is bullshit.  They 
would crush us fast.
	And for reason.  We all know what happens when whites are temporarily
allowed
to set up their own communities.  The Politically Correct get racial
balance and busing,
and out go the whites.  So the PC then use their money to set up
"low-cost"(black)
housing in the escapee communities, and busing again.   And the cycle
repeats.
	The one thing Politically Correct people can never subject their
policies to is the criterion of whether they actually WORK or not.  They
also cannot allow it to matter
whether any of their victims WANT what they are pushing or not.  Those
tests always fail.
	As a result, the invariable result of Politically Correct policy, from
busing to the Berlin Wall, is always a major effort at blocking any
escape attempt.




> 
> Philip


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G*rd*n wrote:
> 
> bwhit@conterra.com:
> | ...
> |       Each clone comes up with this "well, set up  your own country",
> | statement.  But
> | the fact is that the entire PC proggram is for racial balance in ALL
> | white majority
> | countries, and ONLY in white majority countries.  They would not
> | tolerate any whites
> | being allowed to live to themselves, anywhere on earth, and they have
> | said so repeatedly.  ...
> 
> It's been pointed out to you more than once that there
> are several "White" countries which do not particularly
> encourage immigration and don't seem to feel any obligation
> to change their policies, among them Norway and Iceland.
> There are others where no one seems to want to go, anyway,
> like Albania.  I don't know if the Norwegians would let
> you in, but you can be assured that they are going to
> do their best to preserve Norwegianity for the forseeable
> future.
> 
> If you don't start to take some cognizance of the facts
> that are presented in these discussions, people are going
> to think you can't read.  You don't want to be a discredit
> to your race, do you?
> --
>    }"{    G*rd*n   }"{  gcf @ panix.com  }"{



	It would never occur to you, but notice that you just HAPPEN to know,
off the top of your head, the immigration polcies of white majority
countries?
	I'm willing to bet you know nothing about Thailand's immiogration
policy, or Nepal's, or even the immigration policy of the world's third
greatest economy, because it is not majority white.
	Now why is it you just HAPPEN to know the immigration policy of white
majority countries?
	As everybody reading this knows, you are aware of the immigration
policies of white majority countries, and ONLY white majority countries,
because the attitudes of white majority countries discouraging
immigration are considered to be a roadblock to your so-called
"anti-racist" agenda.  
	You know about white majority countries only because the writers you
read TARGET only white majority countries.
	Yet, being a perfect Polticially Correct clone and being unable to see
what you are doing, you present THIS as evidence that you are NOT
targetting your so-called "anti-racist" program at ALL white majority
countries, and ONLY at white majority countries.
	Perfect PC Doublethink!


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Drew Stowers wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> 
> >Another clone, another repeat:
> 
> As opposed to a racist clone.
> 
> >       To repeat,  I don't get bogged down with PC clones  in the sophistry of
> >"defining the white race". When you say there is no white race, you are
> >tacitly admitting that you are interested in immigration and integration in ALL white Majority
> >countries, and ONLY in white majority countries.  The only way you can
> >claim this pattern is not genocide is to say there is no white race.
> 
> You always miss the point Bob.  The reason I want your definition of a
> white race is I want to find out if you want to send me to a camp or
> leave me alone.
> 
> BTW you cannot use skin color as a judge, since there are black people
> who wouldn't get noticed at a Klan meeting.
> 
> >        I don't get drawn into this definitional sophism.  I
> >concentrate  on the admission behind it.
> >       You know exactly what the white race is.  You target it perfectly.
> 


> If you know, why won't you tell us your definition.




	For at least the fourteenth time, the definition of white is contained
in the last two sentences below:

To repeat,  I don't get bogged down in sophism with PC clones. When you
say there is no white race, you are tacitly admitting that you are
interested in immigration and integration in ALL white Majority
countries, and ONLY in white majority countries.  The only way you can
claim this pattern is not genocide is to say there is no white race.  
        I don't get drawn into this definitional sophism.  I
concentrate  on the admission behind it.
	You know exactly what the white race is.  You target it perfectly.




> 
> - White racism is built on the silly notion, that a  white racist  has
> something the black man wants.  Unfortunately, the black man has seen
> what the white racist  has and doesn't want it.



	Bullshit.  Your whole real world policy is based entirely on chasing
down whites.
	Again, for at least the fourteenth time:
	
	Another clone, another repeat.  I have explained this over and over and
over and
over, just like I have explained the white race over and over. But I do
not say what
Mommy Professor said I was siupposed to, so you keep the same old
tape-recorded
questions.
	Your PC policy is predicated on the fact that, if you allow whites to
have any
territory to themselves, the other whites will go there.   You have
busing, racial balance, and black ("low cost") housing to chase down all
white escapees.   You have a law (promulgated by the US Supreme Court)
which does not allow any whites to live on their own.    
	Then you accuse ME of forcing people to do things!
	Here is the history: non-whites move in, Evil White Bigots move out --
which,
according to you, is about all whites.  Then  PC anti-white whites can't
stand it any more and they move out.
	So then you send in busing and "low-cost" housing, and the cycle begins
again.
	Now, please try to follow me this time. All of your policies
demonstrate that the last thing I need to do to set up white areas is to
force anybody to do anything.  Let us and other whites do as we wish and
we will set up their own territory on our own
property by the simple law of supply and demand.
	Then the anti-white whites will move in, too, of course, if we let
them.
	Did you get it this time?


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Gregory Taylor wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker   wrote:
> >> : At this point, I'm thinking that it's only a matter
> >> : of time before what's left of Whitaker simply comes
> >> : out and identifies propositional logic as some kind
> >> : of Judeo-negroid tool of white oppression.
> >
> >       I do attack everything you worship, don't I?
> 
> It's rather a bit of a stretch to believe that your
> tiresome repetition of that delusional gumbo of your'n
> constitutes an "attack," Bob.
> 
> And "worship" is a trifle overdone (surprise, surprise).
> I do confess to having a bit of a hangup on both the
> notions of evidence and clarity, since I don't make
> my way through the world by fantasizing about it as
> you seem to wish to do. My other hangup is on being
> who you say you are and cultivating that "authenticity"
> thing. Something you said a while back got me thinking
> about that.
> 
> >From bwhit@conterra.com Sat Jun  1 06:39:10 PDT 1996
> >Message-ID: <4oo50f$23b@molokini.conterra.com>
> 
> >   There is one thing you said in an earlier note that I would
> >like to refute, though I usually don't respong to personal
> >attacks.  You said I don't have the courage to say what I say
> >here in print. Actually I have said it all in print. The only
> >exception would be things I can't publish.  I have also lied
> >about my position in poltical writing a number of times.
> >Others would call it stretching the truth, but I consider any
> >intentional misstatemetn of fact to be a lie.
> 
> So what sorts of things *have* you lied about in print?



	Certainly I can understand taht, being a Poltiically Correct clone, you
assume that everybody lies in print.  To you, it just a question of
lying for "a good cause".
	You wouldn't understand this, of course, but there is a big difference
between an unintended mistake and a lie.  This will seem a mere quibble
to you, but it's very important to me: I have made lots of mistakes in
ny writings, but I've never lied in anything I've published.
	Can you see the diffference?





> 
> --
> When I pronounce the word Future,/the first syllable already belongs to the
> past./When I pronounce the word Silence,/I destroy it./When I pronounce the
> word Nothing,/I make something no nonbeing can hold./ (Wislawa Szymborska)
> Gregory Taylor WORT-FM URL:http://www.msn.fullfeed.com/~gtaylor/RTQE.html


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Ron Kephart wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> >
> >       I have to keep reminding clones of their own party line.  The line now
> > is that there were 200 million Africans transported, [...]
> 
> My figure of 10 million Africans transported as slaves to the New
> World between abaout 1500 and 1850 or so comes from Bonham C.
> Richardson's The Caribbean in the Wider Context.  I don't have the
> exact date or publisher on hand, but I will furnish them upon request.
> 
> >       The senior senator from Hawaii, an anti-white of Japanese descent,
> > stated that there were 50 million people in the present continental US
> > when the white man arrived and wiped them out.
> >       Please do your own homework on your own line.
> 
> I don't know where the Senator got his information; a much more
> realistic figure would be between 1 and 3 million.  Ray Scupin
> (Anthropology: a Global Perspective 2/ed, p. 425) reports 1.2 to 2.6
> million; the source given for this is D. Ubelaker (1988) "North American
> Indian population size, A.D. 1500 to 1985", in the American Journal of
> Physical Anthropology 77:298-94.  For the record, the population of
> native North Americans in 1985 was about 1.5 milion; this was up from
> around 250,000 or so at the time of Woundtherefore, how can "whitey"
> 1890).
> 
> And, by the way, I don't have a "line."  Believe me, I'm way too far
> left to be following any so-called "PC line".
> 
> >       Most of this is devoted to the same old point: whitey should be
> > destroyed because he deserves it.
> 
> You are missing at least two points.  Modern anthropology suggests
> that there is no such thing as "whitey", except as a social/cultural
> phantasy; same is true of "blacks", "asians", etc.  So what are you
> worried about?  You can't be destroyed if you don't exist!!



	My problem with your so-called "color blindness" is that,
 in terms of real world results, you are only interested in doing
 it in white majority countries.  You demand massive third world 
immigration into EVERY white majority country, and ONLY into white
 majority countries.  You demand your so-called "race" mixing, which 
is actually only *white* mixing, and you use public money for busing
 and "low-cost"(black) housing to chase down any white escapees.
	The best definition I know of *the white race* is that it is 
your Politically Correct target.   When your academic heroes are
"dealing 
with the race problem", they target the white race perfectly.
	Your so-called solution to the race problem is always only the
 final solution to the white problem. 









> 
> Second point: it is not "whitey" that needs to be blamed; it is,
> instead, the racist and ethnocentric ideologies backing programs of
> action that have been carried out over the centuries in the name of
> religious doctrine (capitalism, christianity, whatever).  True enough,
> western Europeans have tended to be the ones with the military and
> economic power to carry out these programs.  But, I point out again,
> they are perfectly capable of carrying them out against each other
> (have you heard of Northern Ireland or "the former Yugoslavia"?). To
> find examples of non-Europeans behaving similarly, just check out
> Rwanda, or East Timor.  People do not do evil because they have "white"
> or "black" or whatever genes; they do evil because they can be talked
> into believing that doing evil is the right thing to do.
> 
> Ron Kephart
> University of North Florida


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Philip Deitiker wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> 
> >       Comrade Satlin got at least fifty million, most of them in peacetime.
> >Mao did even better.  I will admit, though, that "love and brotherhood"
> >idealism as an excuse for Christian slaughters is right up there in the
> >same league.
> 
> I see that now we're into body counting. Satlin (i.e. stalin) was more
> of a totalitarianist than a communist, with underlying paranoid
> tendancies, he killed people he believed were a threat to him
> irregardless of their poplical affiliations.  The numbers Moa killed
> are nowhere near the numbers that the japanese did in his country. Moa
> is actually attributed with saving millions of his people from
> starvation which might have died if the quasi-fuedal government that
> was in power had stayed there.




	Standard leftist line: Stalin and Mao were just misunderstood eh?
	Commmunism had nothing to do with it, etc.
	But Hilter's being bad was all because he was a right winger.
	Yea, right.





>      Secondarily, I dont think body counting is germane here. The
> europeans conquered, taking the territorial controls from native
> poeples and giving them to themselves. Whether or not these died
> immediately or were displaced insideously by the european incursions
> is immaterial. The european genetic contribution to new world
> populations exceeds the genetic contribution from natives.
> 
> The point is that from about 1600 years BC to about 50 years ago,
> indoeuropean population has been growing relative to average world
> population growth. Indoeuropean populations growth has begun to slow
> down as a result of:
> 
> 1. Being the major players in 2 world wars, internal conflicts, etc.
> 2. No more new territories to conquer.
> 3. Recovery of native populations of initial contact population
> declines. Immunization programs in third world countries can be
> attributed with this succes.


	Developed by native folk science, of course.




> 4. Loss of political control of puppet states, and exodus of
> conquering white populations
> 5. Equilibration of population levels in europe and population
> disequilibrium in Asia.
> 
> None the less the 'white' populations of countries like brasil



BRAZIL is WHITE?


 and
> argentina are still growing quickly.
> 
> The real question is why you have the paranoid 'stalinistic' fear that
> the world is trying to dissolve the white race? With all the obvious
> evidence for IE success I would think that this should be a non-issue.



As I explain to each of you clones in turn, my problem with your
so-called "color
blindness" is that, in terms of real world results, you are only
interested in doing it in white majority countries.  You demand massive
third world immigration into EVERY white majority country, and ONLY into
white majority countries.  You demand your so-called "race" mixing,
which is actually only *white* mixing, and you use public money for
busing and "low-cost"(black) housing to chase down any white escapees.
	Your so-called solution to the race problem is always only the final
solution to the white problem. 






> 
> As I said previously there is a huge region in eurasia where you can
> go seeing only white faces. I'm sure if you started a collection,
> there would be a great number of your 'fans' who would be willing to
> support your effort to reequilibrate your genes with your homologous
> counterparts, purging any possibility of unfortuitous mixing.



	Trying to say something to a clone is like pushing toothpaste back into
a tube.
	Each clone comes up with this "well, set up  your own country",
statement.  But
the fact is that the entire PC proggram is for racial balance in ALL
white majority
countries, and ONLY in white majority countries.  They would not
tolerate any whites
being allowed to live to themselves, anywhere on earth, and they have
said so repeatedly.
	So this challenge for us to set up our own country is bullshit.  They 
would crush us fast.
	And for reason.  We all know what happens when whites are temporarily
allowed
to set up their own communities.  The Politically Correct get racial
balance and busing,
and out go the whites.  So the PC then use their money to set up
"low-cost"(black)
housing in the escapee communities, and busing again.   And the cycle
repeats.
	The one thing Politically Correct people can never subject their
policies to is the criterion of whether they actually WORK or not.  They
also cannot allow it to matter
whether any of their victims WANT what they are pushing or not.  Those
tests always fail.
	As a result, the invariable result of Politically Correct policy, from
busing to the Berlin Wall, is always a major effort at blocking any
escape attempt.




> 
> Philip


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Andrew Mathis wrote:
> 
> jstuart@tristar.org (Jim Stuart) wrote:
> 
> >Chuck Ferree  writes
> >>
> >> Chuck writes:
> >>
> >> Hey, Bobby, you Nazi MF, do me a favor. O.K.???   Now take a deep
> >> breath....hold it, hold it, hold it,  now blow it out your ass.
> 
> >Well, Chuck, I see that you are as cultured and polished as ever.
> >Sara implied that I should review some of the posts by Mr. Blackmore
> >and others;  it appears that you are the most foul mouthed of any
> >poster to the groups.
> 
> Well, I can hold my own with the best of'em...
> 
> >>
> >>
> >> Bob Whitaker wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Chuck Ferree wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > Chuck Ferree writes:
> >> > >
> >> > > Having already dealt with this Nazis bullshit, I ain't touching it
> >> > > again with Giwer's stick.
> >> > >
> >> > > And no matter how evil this Nazi is, or the other way around, nice, I
> >> > > wonder if it's appropiate to treat Jim with any amount of respect. I
> >> > > just can't do it. He doesn't deserve it.
> >> > >
> >> > > "Respectfully,"
> >> > >
> >> > > Chuck
> 
> >Interesting.  I, the Nazi, treat people with respect and you, the
> >self-proclaimed hero of world war II decide arbitrarily who is and isn't
> >deserving of respect.  Recall that I mentioned how Germans and
> >National Socialists were intimidated and abused after the war;
> >I present you, Chuck, as a marvelous example of the attitudes
> >that achieved this end.
> 
> No, you the Nazi, make immediate pre-judgments about people based on
> their involuntary membership in demographic groups.  This is not
> treating people with respect.
> 
> Germans were intdeed intimidated and abused after the war; if they
> were not National Socialists, I have sympathy for them; if they were,
> then they deserved it and still do.
> 
> >The atrocities you say that you committed speak eloquently about
> >the situation in Germany.  A Holocaust clearly occurred;  it
> >was committed by folks like you against German civilians.
> 
> Right, and what did the National Socialist German Worker's Party build
> those six camps in Poland (Auschwitz-Birkenau, Treblinka, Sobibor,
> Belzec, Majdanek, Chelmno) for?  True, Auschwitz was a production
> center for I G Farben....what were they producing at Sobibor besides
> corpses?
> >> >
> >> >   Why don't you get out of this discussion between reasonable people and
> >> > go mumble to yourself about what a hero you are?
> >>
> >> Reasonable people my ass, Bobby. Being halfway decent in your writing
> >> to a very nice person, who treats you with one hell of a lot more
> >> respect than you deserve, does not make you worthy of that or any
> >> other kind of respect.
> 
> >I treated Sara as I did because I believe that everyone deserves
> >some respect;  and, as I got to know her, my opinion of her has
> >steadily improved.  I regret that the trend of my opinion for
> >you is not the same.
> 
> Sara is a Jew; so am I.  I don't believe for a second that you respect
> either one of us.  Your National Socialist leaders have uniformly
> condemned Jews for no other reason than being Jewish.  Surely you
> grossly underestimate our intelligence to suggest you respect us; even
> Hitler didn't underestimate the Jewish people so much.
> 
> >> Nazis don't get no respect. Wonder why.
> 
> >Really, Chuck?  So, tell me, should we respect admitted war criminals
> >Chuck?  And who, you might ask fits this category?  You, Chuck;  the
> >fellow who was so proud to say that he straffed and bombed civilians.
> 
> So did: Rosenberg, Goering, Himmler, Streicher, Eichmann and dozens of
> others.
> >>
> >> Lemme get out my "hero" stuff and relive those good old days, when it
> >> was O.K. to mow them Nazi bastids down.
> 
> >Especially civilians, right?  Mow down those women and children
> >Chuck!  Then, maybe you can slaughter some helpless, unarmed prisoners
> >of war.  That should show everyone!  And, it will make the world
> >safe for democracy, right?  Gosh, I'll bet you were really proud
> >of yourself.
> 
> Pot; kettle; black.  What did the SS do the Jews?  Even if you deny
> the Holocaust, which I'm quite sure you do, though I'm sure you know
> it occurred, can you justify Kristallnacht, which EVERYONE KNOWS
> HAPPENED and no one denied?
> >>
> >> Les' see, Air Medal with five Oak Leaf Clusters, DFC, really needs to
> >> be cleaned up a little, lots of campaign medals, ETO, Central Europe,
> >> Battle of the Bulge, Ooooo...the Good Conduct Medal, little did they
> >> know. Well, why go on, then was then, now is now. Nobody cares.
> >>
> >
> >A brave warrior, rewarded for his work killing civilians.  So,
> >what did you get the medals for?  Bomb any orphanages, Chuck?
> >Come now, you can brag to us!
> 
> 1.5 million Jewish children were killed by Nazi forces in Eastern
> Europe.  This figure does not include non-Jewish Polish and Eastern
> European children, which probably puts the figure closer to 4 or 5
> million.
> 
> >But when the day is done, Chuck, and you lie in bed, alone in
> >the silent darkness, think about what you've done.  Think about
> >the young women you killed;  the innocent children, too young to
> >know anything but fear;  the old people, weeping over their
> >children's wasted bodies.  Does that make you feel proud?
> 
> Does it make you proud that you are admittedly a member of an
> organization that waged a war that took 60 million lives?




	You are actually justifying your good buddy "Chuck" in his brag that he
murdered civilians in World War II!
	The other side doesn't justify you for doing that.
	You're an animal.







> 
> >I think, Chuck, that your bragging is designed to suppress your
> >guilty conscience.  You have innocent blood on your hands and you
> >know it;  but the first step in dealing with it is to admit you
> >were wrong, at least to yourself.  Your leaders lied to you,
> >Chuck;  they told you that National Socialism was evil, and that
> >Nazi's were bad.  They said other things too, Chuck;  they told you
> >that the Fuhrer, Adolf Hitler was bad, and killed lots of people.
> >They turned you into a killer Chuck, and while you were killing
> >civilians they sat back and drank vintage wines, ate fine meals,
> >and smoked Havana cigars.  Open your mind to the Fuhrer's message,
> >and to the wisdom of His work, Mein Kampf.  Listen to the call
> >of the blood, Chuck, and join us!  Remove your guilt with the
> >pure light of the Fuhrer's truth!
> 
> If Chuck joins, can I join too?
> 
> =================================================================
> 
> Shining a flashlight on the ugly underside of the 'net: http://www.webmagazine.com/Features/Hate/intro.html
> 
> NOT Alfred: http://www.nj.com/maxwells/archive/hitchcock.html
> 
> The Homepage that made Milwaukee famous: http://pages.nyu.edu/~aem0608
> 
> "Anti-Semitism creates Jews."
> --Louis Brandeis, U.S. Supreme Court Justice


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Force wrote:
> 
> On Sun, 08 Dec 1996 09:14:33 GMT, jstuart@tristar.org (Jim Stuart)
> wrote:
> 
> >
> >Chuck Ferree  writes
> >>
> >> Chuck writes:
> >>
> >> Hey, Bobby, you Nazi MF, do me a favor. O.K.???   Now take a deep
> >> breath....hold it, hold it, hold it,  now blow it out your ass.
> >
> >Well, Chuck, I see that you are as cultured and polished as ever.
> >Sara implied that I should review some of the posts by Mr. Blackmore
> >and others;  it appears that you are the most foul mouthed of any
> >poster to the groups.
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Bob Whitaker wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Chuck Ferree wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > Chuck Ferree writes:
> >> > >
> >> > > Having already dealt with this Nazis bullshit, I ain't touching it
> >> > > again with Giwer's stick.
> >> > >
> >> > > And no matter how evil this Nazi is, or the other way around, nice, I
> >> > > wonder if it's appropiate to treat Jim with any amount of respect. I
> >> > > just can't do it. He doesn't deserve it.
> >> > >
> >> > > "Respectfully,"
> >> > >
> >> > > Chuck
> >
> >Interesting.  I, the Nazi, treat people with respect and you, the
> >self-proclaimed hero of world war II decide arbitrarily who is and isn't
> >deserving of respect.  Recall that I mentioned how Germans and
> >National Socialists were intimidated and abused after the war;
> >I present you, Chuck, as a marvelous example of the attitudes
> >that achieved this end.
> 
>         In fact you are missing the point.  You say intimidated and abused.
> The Chuckle Fairy says that he participated in MURDERING a few hundred
> of them.  And the Chuckle Fairy is proud of being a murderer.
> 
> >The atrocities you say that you committed speak eloquently about
> >the situation in Germany.  A Holocaust clearly occurred;  it
> >was committed by folks like you against German civilians.
> 
>         But the truth be known he was most likely a clerk-typist in Londan
> all during the war.
> 
> >> Nazis don't get no respect. Wonder why.
> >
> >Really, Chuck?  So, tell me, should we respect admitted war criminals
> >Chuck?  And who, you might ask fits this category?  You, Chuck;  the
> >fellow who was so proud to say that he straffed and bombed civilians.
> 
>         More.  He has claimed that he participated in murdering the guards
> at Dachau.  You remember, the case where they were lined up and
> machinegunned?  Those guards who had only been assigned there two
> weeks before when the surrender negotiations started?  Those men who
> had nothing to do with the conditions.  He murdered them.
> 
>         To bad we can't take away his citizenship and ship him to Germany
> for trial.
> 




	The Chuckly Fairy is beautiful.
	If a German pilot said he strafed civilians in World War II, every one
of these animals who are justifying it would be screaming for his skin.


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Yale F. Edeiken wrote:
> 
> >   olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) writes:
> >  In article <32A8C326.62A1@umich.edu>, joshua turner  wrote:
> 
> >  > If the Holocaust were truly a manufactured event, why didn't the Germans
> >  >point this out?
> 
> >  Because they were not allowed to. The Nuremberg court was kangaroo court.
> 
>         Unfortunately, nazi boy, your claim is fraudulent.
> 
>         Then perhaps you will explain why, contrary to general practice,  each of
> the defendants was allowed to make a statement to the Court without being subject
> to cross-examination.  Each was allowed to state whatever he wanted.  None made
> the claim that the Holocaust was a "manufactured event."
> 
>         --YFE





	No one on the winning side has ever in all history committed one single
war crime.
	That's what makes war crimes trials kangaroo courts.


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dckom wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 09 Dec 1996 20:09:16 GMT c.e., minesweeper@navy.water (Force) wrote
> :
> 
> >
> >       To bad we can't take away his citizenship and ship him to Germany
> >for trial.
> 
> Yo Farce,
> 
> How bout we send you over to Deustchland and let you try running your mouth
> over there? I'm sure that Gary Lout would love to have a new roomate. Not
> to mention some of the big boys on his cell block who, no doubt, would
> enjoy getting on intimate terms with you. Unless of course the farmbelt
> fuhrer has them completely enthralled.
> 
> Seriously though, do you realize what a pathetic spectacle you and your
> erstwhile kameraden present? Nazis sniveling on hypocritically about war
> crimes and atrocities. What a joke. The great aryan movement reduced to the
> tactics of appealing to liberal sympathies and playing the aggrieved
> victims of oppressive institutions. No doubt we can look forward, in
> future, to postings from you and your gang of neurotic untermenschen making
> use of selected quotations from M.L. King, Ghandi, Leonard Peltier, et al.
> 
> Time for a reality check. National Socialist doctrine on war, like
> everything else, is ruled by a masturbatory racial doctrine. To wit; crimes
> are only crimes when committed against that nazi wet dream, the aryan race.
> Crimes committed against "racial inferiors" (ie, anyone who ain't a nazi)
> aren't crimes at all but glorious acts of cultural, political and racial
> hygene. Your squealing about warcrimes and atrocities is nothing more than
> a cynical manipulation aimed at the more feeble minded members of your
> flock. Anyone in doubt of this need only pick up a copy of Mein Kampf and
> judge for themselves.
> 
> Actually, being a stone anti-fascist since childhood I'm rather pleased to
> see you reduced to such ideological diarhea. It amounts to a public
> confession of the complete moral bankruptcy and flacidity of will that
> characterize the current crop of brown shirt wannabes. After all, whatever
> else might be said about the late, drug addled Adolf, you couldn't accuse
> him of masquerading as a liberal humanitarian. In this if nothing else he
> was honest.
> 
> Of course, if you were to follow his example in this you wouldn't be a
> bunch of liars. Would you?
> 
> Weisse Rosen
> 
> P.S. If you see Winston, tell him his check is in the mail. >
> 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Free thought, neccessarily involving freedom of
> speech and press, I may tersely define thus:no
> opinion a law-no opinion a crime.
>           Alexander Berkman



	As I said, you have to be a real animal to back a real war criminal
this way.
	You haven't said word about Ferree's bragging about murdering
civilians.  That means you approve of it.


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Chuck Ferree wrote:
> 
> To The Nazi, Jim
> 
> From Chuck



   The following was sent to Michael Stein, but I don't think it went on
the newsgroup, so let me say it here:



	If Ferree actually never killed civilians on purpose, then I owe him an
apology.  Please note this is a great deal more than he gave me when he
said, or at least very broadly implied, that I was a Nazi.
	Ferree's replies to me all consisted of more self-righteousness, rather
than a disclaimer of this sort.
	I know many Germans, I was married to an Austrian girl.  I have worked
in Germany and I speak German.  Down the years, I have heard innumerable
World War II veterans bragging about killing German and Japanese
prisoners, and it infuriated me.
	If Ferree is not one of those who actually murdered Germans and brags
about it in private, then I apologize to him, certainly.  
	The person from the Netherlands who congratulated him for strafing
civilians said he/she was glad of it, since Germans strafed others. 
Then there is Dresden.
	In the *Gulag Archipelago*, Solzhenitsyn points out there was a routine
procedure when a Russian captured a German woman: he raped her  and then
shot her. 
	You see history as Good vs. Evil, I see it as a ricochet.  I do not see
antisemitism as a world-wide plot against Jews, but as the result of
you-hurt-me, I-hurt-you.  Let's say a Jew got hurt first by a gentile.
There's no proof of that, but in this cycle of history, one has to say
it.  If I were defending Jews to an anti-semite, I would start out
saying a Jew hit first.
	Actually, since we are talking about well over a millenium ago even in
Western history, it makes little difference.
	But, through history, gentiles have hurt Jews and Jews have built up
resentments, and hurt back.  This resentment has been a major force in
the heavy historical support of Jews for Communism. 
	I have pointed this out before.   I keep saying that antisemites
consider Jews devils.   In this phase of history, Political Correctness
declares Jews angels, and I consider Jews to be people, with all the
nastiness left in.  Jews tend to carry all their historical grievances
with them wherever they go.
	Finsten only quoted  my statement that Jews are people, with all the
nastiness left in, and left out the rest, and declared me an antisemite.
	Today is not history.  Today is a phase of history.   You and Ferree,
as a Jew and a World War II veteran, hold all the cards.  In the next
generation, someone else will hold the cards. You are using those cards
exactly as everybody else down through the weary, hideous ricochets of
history has used them.
	Every time a Jew or a Ferree discusses the last tragedy in this series,
they use it as a reason to attack the very existence of the white
race.   The white race is now under real invasion from every part of the
third world.  In this phase of history, the reality is that you people
end up -- again in real world terms, not in  theory -- demanding that
there be immigration into and forced integration in EVERY white majority
country and ONLY into white majority countries.  This means the end of
the white race.
	Asia is to remain Asian, Africa African, and all white majority
countries are to be turned brown.   When called on this, you defend this
obvious genocide by saying the white race does not exist.   It exists to
whites, and as whites become a more and more self-conscious minority, it
wil become more important to them.
	In this phase of history, you do not see Poltiical Correctness as
genocide.   But as whites become a self-conscious minority, and as Jews
keep concentrating on nothing but past wrongs, there will be another
phase of history.  Other groups are beginning to dislike Jews.  Anyone
who carries a grudge against all of the rest of mankind is going to be
hated.
	It is now standard doctrine that those who fought in World War II were
not fighting against a dangerous dictatorship, but were actually
fighting againwst "racism".  In turn, this fight against "racism" is
interpreted as a fight FOR the present phase of history, which will
inevitably be looked upon in the next phase as genocide.
	You and Ferree are on the top in this phase.  It seems ridiculous for
me to ask you to use it any way but the way you are using it.   
	 We almost saw a real change in history at the beginning of this phase
with the Marshall Plan and with Senator Robert Taft's opposition to the
Nuremburg trials.  He saw exactly what I see: the trials were a
precedent for other trials later.  Stalin's judges were there, and that
certainly discredited the entire proceedings.
	 World War II memorials should be memorials to the men who fought, not
memorials to a present-day cause of being antiwhite.  The same is true
of Holocaust memorials.  But they are at present largely used as a cry
for vengeance against the race almost all of the soldiers doing the
fighting belonged to.
	That's insane.  It will be seen as insane in the next phase of
history.  And that, once again, will be far, far too late.



> 
> Jim Stuart wrote:
> >
> > Chuck Ferree  writes
> 
> Nizkor FTP file: people/h/hitler.adolf/cruel
> 
> Adolf Hitler, quoted in "Hitler", by Joachim Fest, Vintage
> Books Edition, 1974, p. 679-680:
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> Nature is cruel; therefore we are also entitled to be cruel. When I
> send the flower of German youth into the steel hail of the next war
> without feeling the slightest regret over the precious German blood
> that is being spilled, should I not also have the right to eliminate
> millions of an inferior race that multiplies like vermin?
> 
>                               [ people/h/hitler.adolf ]
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> 
> > >
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AHMET M CITIPITIOGLU wrote:
> 
> good going...
> cheers,
> ahmet
> 
> On Fri, 29 Nov 1996, Roger Froikin wrote:
> 
> > I'm writing as one whose great-great-grandfather sent his children out
> > of Turkey because he saw tragedy coming.
> >
> > Yet, I see no point, no profit, no advantage, in "beating a dead cat" so
> > to speak by every group that was in the Ottoman Empire endlessly
> > discussing the past.
> >
> > History is great to learn from.  It's stupid to use as a weapon or as a
> > motivator of more hate.
> >
> > Ottoman rule ended long ago.  It was brutal and cruel to many peoples
> > while it lasted and exploited them and played one against the other.
> > But it ended, and it ended with the Turks themselves saying "enough"
> > with that kind of thing.
> >
> > The Middle East can bloom in peace and democracy - or it can continue to
> > fight yesterday's wars while despots manipulate populations and the West
> > looks on and laughts.   It's a choice.
> >
> >



	The Middle East is not the only place that has to make that same
choice.


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Ryan Monti wrote:
> 
> Joel Rosenberg wrote:
> >
> > In article  jstuart@tristar.org (Jim Stuart) writes:
> >
> > > Proud to be a member of the National Socialist White People's Party!
> >
> >
> > Well, there's your problem right there...
> 
> Well isn't that special, everyone needs a hobby!

	Actually, that is about right.
	In the real world, these self-professed "Nazis" lack the one
fundamental ingredient of a real Nazi: a thirst for a totalitarian state
where freedom is crushed.
	The greatest single lesson of our century is the most overlooked: that
in an age of wars in unprecedented number and viciousness, where the
world has been involved in three worldwide struggles, one type of war
has NEVER occurred: not once has a single parliamentary democracy been
at war with another parliamentary democracy.
	These parliamentary democracies have run the gamit: they have been
socialist, racist, imperialist and all the rest.  But socialist
democracies have been on the side of racist and imperialist democracies
against both racist totalitarianism and communist totalitarianism.
	This has been a titanic and incredibly costly lesson.  Why is it never
mentioned?
	Because it is never in the ruling establishment's INTEREST to mention
it.  In the 1920's, the ruling big business establishment wanted to
blame Communism on workers who wanted to form unions.  Any time a
progressive income tax was mentioned, they loved to say that Marx
advocated that, and Marx led to Lenin and Stailin.
	Today, the Politically Correct program is liberal, and it was to blame
Nazism on nonliberal beliefs.
	Harry Truman stated that he had always believed that Europe and America
were white and should remain so.  Just before he died, he told reporters
he oppposed racial intermarriage.
	Harry was not a Nazi.  Neither was the segregated US Army in World War
II.   But pointing that out is contrary to today's Politically Correct
program.
	I  have watched Politically Correct people over the years.  I have
watched liberals become neoconservatives when the tide turned, and only
after the tide had obviously turned.  I have watched the same
politicians who shouted their support for the worst phases of
segregation turn to denouncing the people who backed them after the tide
turned.   That is the sort of person who is a ready convert to
totalitarianism when  the tide turns.
	My firm belief is that many of these young people who call themselves
Nazis today will be the real antisemites' worst nightmare when the
establishment switches sides.  That is why I say that your best Nazis of
the next age wil be found among your best anti-Nazis of today.
	Jews found this out the hard way in the 1930's, when their colleagues
in the Communist Party saw the tide changed, switched sides, and
denounced them.
	The lesson of our century is about totalitarianism.   It has absolutely
nothing to do with beliefs about race or socialism or anything else.  In
political terms, this has been an AWFUL century.  Unless we learn its
real lesson, we are damned sure going to repeat it.  









> Bet you don't know the color of the men who invented Socialism?
> 
> I'm white and I've been to Socialist Countries, Yugoslavia
> in '84.  My heart bleed for those people, I wouldn't wish that
> on anyone.
> 
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Subject: Re: Are There Races?
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 17:30:13 -0500
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G*rd*n wrote:
> 
> | ...
> 
> bwhit@conterra.com:
> |       It would never occur to you, but notice that you just HAPPEN to know,
> | off the top of your head, the immigration polcies of white majority
> | countries?
> 
> A few years ago, it was in the newspapers that one of the
> reasons Norway was not happy about joining the European
> Economic Community was a fear that there would be a lot of
> immigration.  Norway is a small, homogenous society with
> a certain amount of prosperity based on not too great a
> resource base; one which perhaps could not absorb much
> immigration.  The immigration policies of Great Britain
> and Germany have also been much in the newspapers.
> 
> |       I'm willing to bet you know nothing about Thailand's immiogration
> | policy, or Nepal's, or even the immigration policy of the world's third
> | greatest economy, because it is not majority white.
> 
> I know something about the immigration policy of Japan,
> which has been in the newspapers, of Tanzania, because
> one of my neighbors immigrated to that country, and of
> St. Martin, a Carribean colony of France which is populated
> almost entirely by persons of African descent, because I
> entered that country from a boat and was most closely
> scrutinized, as are all those suspected of not having a
> round-trip ticket.  Will these do?




	No.  You know exactly what I'm talking about.



> 
> |       Now why is it you just HAPPEN to know the immigration policy of white
> | majority countries?
> 
> As I said, they've been in the newspapers.  Newspapers in
> the United States tend to be interested in North American
> and European countries more than they are interested in
> African, South American, and Asian countries, so there are
> fewer news stories from the latter countries, and therefore
> fewer news stories about immigration (just as there are
> fewer about everthing).  Argentina is "White", and I don't
> know a thing about Argentine immigration policies.



	So you are saying it's just a matter of coverage, that there is just as
much pressure on Asian countries to allow in third world immigrants as
on European countries.
	Another clone, another repeat:
	In this little exchange, as usual, you clones bring up these silly
little quibbles, since you can't deal with the big point.  To repeat yet
again, I am not talking to you, I am talking over your head to people
who can think.  You are welcome to persuade anyoine who believes what
you say: that there is the same pressure, or for that matter, any
pressure,  on nonwhite countries to allow wholesale immigration as there
is on every single white majority country.


> 
> |       As everybody reading this knows, you are aware of the immigration
> | policies of white majority countries, and ONLY white majority countries,
> | because the attitudes of white majority countries discouraging
> | immigration are considered to be a roadblock to your so-called
> | "anti-racist" agenda.  ...
> 
> But I've just shown otherwise.  Now, for once, I'd like
> to see you try to handle a fact which differs from your
> theory.
> --
>    }"{    G*rd*n   }"{  gcf @ panix.com  }"{


From bwhit@conterra.com Wed Dec 11 07:35:08 PST 1996
Article: 38436 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Subject: Re: There are no Races: evidence.
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 17:13:17 -0500
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James E. Walsh wrote:
> 
> Shriker (shriker@concentric.net) wrote:
> 
> : So while I am quite sure that there _are_ races, and that
> : "race" is therefore a
> : valid construct to research and discuss,
> : I must also concede that there is no
> : "right" way to demark the boundaries between the races.
> : Shriker.
> 
> Are you also willing to agree with me that Brian Smith's theory of the
> races (in which the "White" race is responsible for all creative cultural
> development and in which the "Jews" are a race, for example) is NOT one of
> the scientific ways to demark the boundaries?
> 
> The primary reason I take the position that there are no races is NOT to
> discourage thoughtful scientific work on gene drift among groups of
> people, but because those primarily involved in promoting a racial theory
> of human beings are such intolerant and unscientific idiots.




	My problem with your so-called "color blindness" is that,
 in terms of real world results, you are only interested in doing
 it in white majority countries.  You demand massive third world 
immigration into EVERY white majority country, and ONLY into white
 majority countries.  You demand your so-called "race" mixing, which 
is actually only *white* mixing, and you use public money for busing
 and "low-cost"(black) housing to chase down any white escapees.
	The best definition I know of *the white race* is that it is 
your Politically Correct target.   When your academic heroes are
"dealing 
with the race problem", they target the white race perfectly.
	Your so-called solution to the race problem is always only the
 final solution to the white problem. 



> 
> --
>                 Love, Jim Walsh
> 
> [P.S. In Newsgroups, I often correct English mistakes in quoted material
> without any intention of changing the meaning.]


From bwhit@conterra.com Wed Dec 11 07:35:10 PST 1996
Article: 38438 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Subject: Re: Whitaker offers a beely laugh at [Poltiically Correct "Beautry"
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Drew Beck wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> >
> >       All traitors always claim they "are merely being objective".
> >       As I explain to each of you clones in turn, my problem with your
> >so-called "color blindness" is that, in terms of real world results, you
> >are only interested in doing it in white majority countries.  You demand
> >massive third world immigration into EVERY white majority country, and
> >ONLY into white majority countries.  You demand your so-called "race"
> >mixing, which is actually only *white* mixing, and you use public money
> >for busing and "low-cost"(black) housing to chase down any white
> >escapees.
> >       Your so-called solution to the race problem is always only the final
> >solution to the white problem.
> 
> OK, I'm giving up...you just keep repeating the same stuff to me and the
> other "clones" over and over again.  Nobody is getting anywhere so it's
> obviously a big waste of time.  I never did hear what "white" means, nor
> did I ever hear who has the final say on who's white and who isn't.  And
> who am I traitor to?  The fact that I don't oppose immigration of anyone
> based on so-called racial characteristics, "white" or otherwise, certainly
> doesn't make me a traitor to the US because it is a nation made up of
> immigrants.
> 
> As I've said before, I don't care who lives where.



	My problem with your so-called "color blindness" is that,
 in terms of real world results, you are only interested in doing
 it in white majority countries.  You demand massive third world 
immigration into EVERY white majority country, and ONLY into white
 majority countries.  You demand your so-called "race" mixing, which 
is actually only *white* mixing, and you use public money for busing
 and "low-cost"(black) housing to chase down any white escapees.
	The best definition I know of *the white race* is that it is 
your Politically Correct target.   When your academic heroes are
"dealing 
with the race problem", they target the white race perfectly.
	Your so-called solution to the race problem is always only the
 final solution to the white problem. 



  If so-called whites
> (Goras?) want to move to "third world countries", that doesn't bother me,
> nor does the fact that people from other countries are moving here.  It's
> not my decision.  It's none of my business.
> 
> Anyway, I'm done.  My apologies to everyone who has had to be dragged
> through the mud along with me in in this thread.  Sorry to waste your time
> & bandwidth.
> 
> Namaste,
> Drew


From bwhit@conterra.com Wed Dec 11 07:35:11 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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CSKBB@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU wrote:
> 
> From: Bob Whitaker  Subject: Re: There are no Races:
> evidence. Date: Sun, 08 Dec 1996 19:32:44 -0500
> 
> CSKBB@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU wrote: >
> > Bob Whitaker is mad, of course. And he thinks we haven't heard all his
> > madness before--at public expense. He DEMANDS increasing white insanity
> > in white countries and ONLY in white countries. Don't worry.  I'll keep
> > repeating this until all his multiple personalities have heard the
> > message.
> > Carl Skutsch
> cskbb@cunyvm.cuny.edu
> 
> 
> This clone is so
> used to a Politically Correct environment, where his opinions are always
> pushed at the expense of taxpayers, that he honestly doesn't know what
> "at public expense" means.
> 
> ++++++++++++
> 
> Well Bobby you old lune, as the Internet was originally created partially
> at government expense, I guess everything little bit of drivel that you
> and I post is "at public expense."



Another clone, another repeat:

 
This clone is so used to a Politically Correct environment, where his
opinions are always pushed at the expense of taxpayers, that he honestly
doesn't know what
"at public expense" means.
 





> 
> Carl Skutsch
> cskbb@cunyvm.cuny.edu


From bwhit@conterra.com Wed Dec 11 19:08:27 PST 1996
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Sara aka Perrrfect wrote:
> 
> In article <32ACB4F4.633C@conterra.com>, bwhit@conterra.com wrote:
> 
> >         You haven't said word about Ferree's bragging about murdering
> > civilians.  That means you approve of it.
> 
> Wife gives her husband two ties for his birthday.
> 
> The next morning, he puts one of his new ties on.
> 
> Wife says, "What's the matter? Didn't you like the other one?"





	The point is, Sara, that you will never, never, never select the other
tie.




> 
> Whitaker's logic is just as precise, ain't it?
> 
> Sara
> 
> --
> "The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the
> Christian religion."
>        George Washington, 1796


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Gord McFee wrote:
> 
> In message  -
> schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect)Mon, 09 Dec 1996 20:59:50 -0500
> writes:
> :>
> :>In article <32ACB4F4.633C@conterra.com>, bwhit@conterra.com wrote:
> :>
> :>
> :>>         You haven't said word about Ferree's bragging about murdering
> :>> civilians.  That means you approve of it.
> :>
> :>Wife gives her husband two ties for his birthday.
> :>
> :>The next morning, he puts one of his new ties on.
> :>
> :>Wife says, "What's the matter? Didn't you like the other one?"
> :>
> :>Whitaker's logic is just as precise, ain't it?
> 
> Whitaker is a Nazi-clone idiot.  And that's his strong suit.
> 
> --
> Gord McFee
> I'll write no line before its time


Anybody who disagrees with Poltical Correctness is A Nazi Who Wants To
Kill Six Million Jews


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dckom wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 09 Dec 1996 20:59:50 -0500 c.e., schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka
> Perrrfect) wrote :
> >In article <32ACB4F4.633C@conterra.com>, bwhit@conterra.com wrote:
> >
> >
> >>         You haven't said word about Ferree's bragging about murdering
> >> civilians.  That means you approve of it.
> >
> >Wife gives her husband two ties for his birthday.
> >
> >The next morning, he puts one of his new ties on.
> >
> >Wife says, "What's the matter? Didn't you like the other one?"
> >
> >Whitaker's logic is just as precise, ain't it?
> >
> >Sara
> 
> Did you notice he didn't even try to disprove my pal's characterization of
> nazi logic? So, I guess we can safely assume, they really are a bunch of
> murderous wankers.
> 
>         David Christian
> >
> >--
> >"The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the
> >Christian religion."
> >       George Washington, 1796
> 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Free thought, neccessarily involving freedom of
> speech and press, I may tersely define thus:no
> opinion a law-no opinion a crime.
>           Alexander Berkman




	Anybody who disagrees with Poltical Correctness is A Nazi Who Wants To
Kill Six Million Jews.


From bwhit@conterra.com Thu Dec 12 05:55:58 PST 1996
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Eugene Holman wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  repeated for the umpteenth kazillionth time:
> 
> >
> > As I explain to each of you clones in turn, my problem with your
> > so-called "color
> > blindness" is that, in terms of real world results, you are only
> > interested in doing it in white majority countries.  You demand massive
> > third world immigration into EVERY white majority country, and ONLY into
> > white majority countries.
> >
> 
> Equine feces! Nobody is demanding *massive* immigration anywhere. What is
> being supported - not demanded - is the right of people to move to places
> where they think that they can make a better life for themselves and their
> families. 


No such demands EVER actually apply to Africa or Asia.
My problem with your so-called "color blindness" is that,
 in terms of real world results, you are only interested in doing
 it in white majority countries.  You demand massive third world 
immigration into EVERY white majority country, and ONLY into white
 majority countries.  You demand your so-called "race" mixing, which 
is actually only *white* mixing, and you use public money for busing
 and "low-cost"(black) housing to chase down any white escapees.
	The best definition I know of *the white race* is that it is 
your Politically Correct target.   When your academic heroes are
"dealing 
with the race problem", they target the white race perfectly.
	Your so-called solution to the race problem is always only the
 final solution to the white problem. 






It is precisely these pressures that brought the Whitakers to
> the United States from wherever they came from X generations back. Why
> should *you* have been



past tense.   All countries are nations of immigrants.  That does not
make them open to all immigration.   But you aren't interested in "all
countries", only white majority ones.







 allowed to benefit from immigration, while others
> are not?



	By definition, all immigration laws apply to those who have not year
immigrated.
	That's not even a nice try.







> 
> Whites, particularly if defined according to the restrictive 'one drop and
> you're out, WASP but no Wogs, Wops, Slavs, Spics or Kikes' model, make up
> a miniscule proportion of the world's population - certainly no more than
> five per cent and probably less 


		
	This would never occur to a Poltically Correct clone, but the way we
define
races is to allow us to do our own defining.  Let us have our white
community, and you
can have your mixed community.
	Your answer is, no way, Jose.  You know exactly what would happen to
your
"there are no races" crap out in the real world.
	 The fact is that the entire PC proggram is for racial balance in ALL
white majority
countries, and ONLY in white majority countries.  They would not
tolerate any whites
being allowed to live to themselves, anywhere on earth, and they have
said so repeatedly.
	And for reason.  We all know what happens when whites are temporarily
allowed
to set up their own communities.  The Politically Correct get racial
balance and busing,
and out go the whites.  So the PC then use their money to set up
"low-cost"(black)
housing in the escapee communities, and busing again.   And the cycle
repeats.
	The one thing Politically Correct people can never subject their
policies to is the criterion of whether they actually WORK or not.  They
also cannot allow it to matter
whether any of their victims WANT what they are pushing or not.  Those
tests always fail.
	As a result, the invariable result of Politically Correct policy, from
busing to the Berlin Wall, is always a major effort at blocking any
escape attempt.
	I'll keep repeating this until all you clones hear it.











- but have managed during the past five
> centuries to snatch up and make into 'white majority countries'
> approximately a third of the earth's surface. Your extra-European 'white
> majority' countries were built on the bones of their previous inhabitants,
> often with the unpaid or underpaid labor of non-Whites.




	As always, your PC argument for leaving Asia Asiam, Africa Africa, and
all brown countries brown is made up of two points: 1) the white race
does not exist, and 2) the white race deserves it.
	Here those two points are back to back!
	Do a little arithmetic.  How on earth could all this wealth be based on
your non-white manual laborers?   All the wealth on earth before 1700 AD
would not be equal to that of a small European country today. 
	And please, do make up your mind.  Are you tryin gto get all white
wealth taken over and redsitributed to non-whites, or are you just
trying to be non-racial?





 Any fool knows
> that in situations where a thin stratum of the population grabs a
> disproportionate share of the goodies and creates a situation (read 'caste
> system') where others are not even given a fair shot at them, eventually
> results in the enchiladas hitting the proverbial fan.
> 
> >   You demand your so-called "race" mixing,
> > which is actually only *white* mixing, and you use public money for
> > busing and "low-cost"(black) housing to chase down any white escapees.
> >
> 
> From the standpoint of the long-term prospects of your beloved white race
> is it better to perpetuate an inherently instable and unjust situation of
> enearned privilege, or better to work to achieve a more realistic and
> fairer balance, one which would reward initiative and competence, no
> matter what the race, color, creed, or ethnicity of the individual
> possessing it? Your specter of a 'brown soup future' if people are allowed
> to freely mix



Freely, my ass!
 You know exactly what would happen to your "there are no races" crap
out in the real world.
	 The fact is that the entire PC proggram is for racial balance in ALL
white majority countries, and ONLY in white majority countries.  They
would not tolerate any whites being allowed to live to themselves,
anywhere on earth, and they have said so repeatedly.
	And for reason.  We all know what happens when whites are temporarily
allowed
to set up their own communities.  The Politically Correct get racial
balance and busing,
and out go the whites.  So the PC then use their money to set up
"low-cost"(black)
housing in the escapee communities, and busing again.   And the cycle
repeats.
	The one thing Politically Correct people can never subject their
policies to is the criterion of whether they actually WORK or not.  They
also cannot allow it to matter
whether any of their victims WANT what they are pushing or not.  Those
tests always fail.
	As a result, the invariable result of Politically Correct policy, from
busing to the Berlin Wall, is always a major effort at blocking any
escape attempt.
	I'll keep repeating this until all you clones hear it.






	Besides, we are not talking about "mixing" , as in "mixing" what you
call "the races".   My problem with your so-called "color blindness" is
that, in terms of real world results, you are only interested in doing
it in white majority countries.  You demand massive third world
immigration into EVERY white majority country, and ONLY into white
majority countries.  You demand your so-called "race" mixing, which is
actually only *white* mixing, and you use public money for busing and
"low-cost"(black) housing to chase down any white escapees.
	Your so-called solution to the race problem is always only the final
solution to the white problem. 





 is at variance with what we know about the workings of
> heredity. Since the specific qualities which account for our phenotype are
> inherited in discrete bundles as genes are handed down from one generation
> to the next, and not, as in your implied model, as a 'mixing of blood',
> there will always be various combinations of light and dark hair, blue and
> brown eyes, darker and lighter skin, broader and pointier noses, longer
> and rounder heads, etc., etc. The bases of your criticism of public
> policies and fears for the future are a deficient understanding of both
> the social forces that determine history and heredity as well as your
> narcissistic paranoia.



	This is back to the old "there is no white race" theme.
	Dictionary definition is not an excuse for genocide.






> 
> >
> > If such massive immigration and integration were being pushed on Africa,
> > you would indeed consider it invastion, genocide, the whole nine yards
> > -- against whites, of course, it's the highest kind of idealism.
> 
> There was a massive, usually genocidal, immigration of Europeans pushed on
> North and South America, the Indian subcontinent, Australia and New
> Zealand, China, Southeast Asia, and Africa starting some 500 years ago and
> still not quite ended. It was called 'exploration', 'colonization', 'the
> White man's burden', and 'colonialism', even though much of it was ethnic
> cleansing pure and simple.



	Now we're back to point 2), "the white race deserves it".





 This process made it possible for your
> immigrant ancestors to settle and start a new life in what is now the
> United States



	to repeat, all nations are nations of immigrants.  That does not oblige
them to urrender the existence of their whole identity.


 and for you to spend some time in Rhodesia. Now that the
> shoe is on the other foot, you're hurting. Our regal advice to you is to
> consider seeking
> professional help.



	As I have pointed out repeatedly, whether or not Bob Whitaker is an
awful, awful, AWFUL man, or insane, or whatever, does not affect the
question at hand.





> 
> We have spoken.
> 
> Eugene the Curly-headed
> King of alt.politics.white-power, Protector of our Aryan heritage,
> Defender of the English language, Scourge of racial purity, etc. etc. etc.


From bwhit@conterra.com Thu Dec 12 05:56:04 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Keith Morrison wrote:
> 
> Doc Tavish wrote:
> 
> > Keith, my man, read your Old Testament and you will see that the kosher
> > kids were doing the same things. They were committing genocide long
> > before Nazism became a household word. I must be an ignorant, racist,
> > bigot as my detractors have claimed because I do not have enough
> > intelligence to see why the "chosen" can do things and not be condemned
> > that if others did they are blood thirsty ruthless killers. If I sound
> > anally-retentive then explain the plights of the Amorites, the
> > Jebusites, the Canaanites etc.
> > If I have lowered myself to name calling in the past- I now declare that
> > I choose to debate on the issue alone.
> 
> That's the point.  *Everyone* was doing it at the time.  But not everyone
> does it recently. No one condemns the Italians for something the Romans did
> two millennia ago.
> 
> But it seems that one canard drudged up continously is that "Hey, the
> Jews did it to the Canaanites so what's the big deal if the Nazis did
> it to them?"
> 
> The problem is that several millennia and changes in society say that
> in the 20th Century genocide is not acceptable.  And those who defend
> it are grasping for straws.
> 
> --
> Keith Morrison
> lonewolf@nbnet.nb.ca
> http://www.dmmw.com/lonewolf/keithm.html




	The folks who owned slaves are just as dead as any Roman.  
	What would your beloved Guilt Industry do for a living if we did not
jump on hwat dead whites did to dead blacks and dead Indians?
	Your logic is fine when absolving Jews, but not white gentiles, right?


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G*rd*n wrote:
> 
> [ my previous response seems to have disappeared. ]
> 
> | > | ...
> 
> bwhit@conterra.com:
> |>|       It would never occur to you, but notice that you just HAPPEN to know,
> |>| off the top of your head, the immigration polcies of white majority
> |>| countries?
> 
> G*rd*n wrote:
> | > A few years ago, it was in the newspapers that one of the
> | > reasons Norway was not happy about joining the European
> | > Economic Community was a fear that there would be a lot of
> | > immigration.  Norway is a small, homogenous society with
> | > a certain amount of prosperity based on not too great a
> | > resource base; one which perhaps could not absorb much
> | > immigration.  The immigration policies of Great Britain
> | > and Germany have also been much in the newspapers.
> 
> bwhit@conterra.com:
> | > |       I'm willing to bet you know nothing about Thailand's immiogration
> | > | policy, or Nepal's, or even the immigration policy of the world's third
> | > | greatest economy, because it is not majority white.
> 
> G*rd*n wrote:
> | > I know something about the immigration policy of Japan,
> | > which has been in the newspapers, of Tanzania, because
> | > one of my neighbors immigrated to that country, and of
> | > St. Martin, a Carribean colony of France which is populated
> | > almost entirely by persons of African descent, because I
> | > entered that country from a boat and was most closely
> | > scrutinized, as are all those suspected of not having a
> | > round-trip ticket.  Will these do?
> 
> bwhit@conterra.com:
> |       No.  You know exactly what I'm talking about.
> 
> No, I don't.  You said I didn't know anything about the
> immigration policies of non-White countries, and I gave
> three counterexamples.  That means I have disproved your
> theory.  Now you need a new theory.
> 
> bwhit@conterra.com:
> |>|       Now why is it you just HAPPEN to know the immigration policy of white
> |>| majority countries?
> 
> G*rd*n wrote:
> | > As I said, they've been in the newspapers.  Newspapers in
> | > the United States tend to be interested in North American
> | > and European countries more than they are interested in
> | > African, South American, and Asian countries, so there are
> | > fewer news stories from the latter countries, and therefore
> | > fewer news stories about immigration (just as there are
> | > fewer about everthing).  Argentina is "White", and I don't
> | > know a thing about Argentine immigration policies.
> 
> bwhit@conterra.com:
> |       So you are saying it's just a matter of coverage, that there is just as
> | much pressure on Asian countries to allow in third world immigrants as
> | on European countries.
> 
> No; I don't know what pressures are on Asian countries.
> 
> |       Another clone, another repeat:
> |       In this little exchange, as usual, you clones bring up these silly
> | little quibbles, since you can't deal with the big point.  To repeat yet
> | again, I am not talking to you, I am talking over your head to people
> | who can think.  ...
> 
> Fine, but if you want them to listen to you, you need to
> present evidence and reason about it, as I do.  "You know
> what I'm talking about" is not the communication of one
> thinking person to another.



	Not at all.   One routine response of PC clones is "DUHH!", as in
"DUHH! What is a white person?"   They then turn around and blame the
white race for being altogether evil.   You select white majority
countries and only white majority countries for your attacks on anybody
who objects to immigration.
	The only thing one can say is that you are using "DUHHH!" as a tactic. 
And one must then leave it up to the reader.  If he believes your
"DUHH!" there is no reason for me to try to talk to him.
	But for your information, lots of people ARE hearing what I am saying. 
A lot of people are tired of you Politically Correct Orwellian
Duckspeak.





> --
>    }"{    G*rd*n   }"{  gcf @ panix.com  }"{


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Arnotts Ltd wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker wrote:
> 
> >         This would never occur to a Poltically Correct clone, but the way we
> > separate races is to allow us to do our own separating.  Let us have our
> > white community, and you can have your mixed community.
> 
> Yeah and it never occurs to the Racist Clown that we like our mixed
> communities. If  the racists really want to leave alone and seperate why
> do they always keep wanting nice places to live. If race was the real
> issue they'd go set up their nice All White towns at the South Pole
> where they'll really be All White not on some nice mid-west USA farming
> land with good rich soil and plenty of rain.





		Another clone, another repeat:
	Trying to say something to a clone is like pushing toothpaste back into
a tube.
	Each clone comes up with this "well, set up  your own country",
statement.  But
the fact is that the entire PC proggram is for racial balance in ALL
white majority
countries, and ONLY in white majority countries.  They would not
tolerate any whites
being allowed to live to themselves, anywhere on earth, and they have
said so repeatedly.
	So this challenge for us to set up our own country is bullshit.  They 
would crush us fast.
	And for reason.  We all know what happens when whites are temporarily
allowed
to set up their own communities.  The Politically Correct get racial
balance and busing,
and out go the whites.  So the PC then use their money to set up
"low-cost"(black)
housing in the escapee communities, and busing again.   And the cycle
repeats.
	The one thing Politically Correct people can never subject their
policies to is   the criterion of whether they actually WORK or not. 
They also cannot allow it to matter whether any of their victims WANT
what they are pushing or not.  Those tests always fail.
	As a result, the invariable result of Politically Correct policy, from
busing to the Berlin Wall, is always a major effort at blocking any
escape attempt.
	I'll keep repeating this until all you clones hear it.



> 
> >         Your answer is, no way, Jose.  You know exactly what would happen to
> > your "there are no races" crap out in the real world.
> >          The fact is that the entire PC proggram is for racial balance in ALL
> > white majority countries, and ONLY in white majority countries.  They
> > would not tolerate any whites being allowed to live to themselves,
> > anywhere on earth, and they have said so repeatedly.
> >         And for reason.  We all know what happens when whites are temporarily
> > allowed
> > to set up their own communities.  The Politically Correct get racial
> > balance and busing,
> > and out go the whites.  So the PC then use their money to set up
> > "low-cost"(black)
> > housing in the escapee communities, and busing again.   And the cycle
> > repeats.
> >         The one thing Politically Correct people can never subject their
> > policies to is the
> > criterion of whether they actually WORK or not.  They also cannot allow
> > it to matter
> > whether any of their victims WANT what they are pushing or not.  Those
> > tests always fail.
> >         As a result, the invariable result of Politically Correct policy, from
> > busing to the
> > Berlin Wall, is always a major effort at blocking any escape attempt.
> >         I'll keep repeating this until all you clones hear it.


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Ian McKinney wrote:
> 
> In message  - holman@elo.helsinki.fi
> (Eugene Holman) writes:
> 
> :>>You demand massive
> :>> third world immigration into EVERY white majority country, and ONLY into
> :>> white majority countries.
> :>>
> :>
> :>Equine feces! Nobody is demanding *massive* immigration anywhere. What is
> :>being supported - not demanded - is the right of people to move to places
> :>where they think that they can make a better life for themselves and their
> :>families.
> 
> There is no such "right" to move anywhere. Certainly there's wants or
> desires, but no "right." Please identify what section of the Constitution
> gives every person in the world the "right" to come here. I got news - it
> isn't there. It isn't ANYWHERE.
> 
> :>It is precisely these pressures that brought the Whitakers to
> :>the United States from wherever they came from X generations back. Why
> :>should *you* have been allowed to benefit from immigration, while others
> :>are not?
> 
> Because we're not living in 1800. We have enough people.
> 
> Also, the overwhelming majority of today's immigrants are non-white. A White
> person can barely get into America. Not only are Whites discriminated against
> in overt immigration laws, but what Whites who do get in on green cards tend
> to obey the law. The non-whites couldn't care less about the law.
> 
> :>Whites, particularly if defined according to the restrictive 'one drop and
> :>you're out, WASP but no Wogs, Wops, Slavs, Spics or Kikes' model, make up
> :>a miniscule proportion of the world's population - certainly no more than
> :>five per cent and probably less
> 
> First, "Wops" and Slavs are included as White. "Wogs" and "Spics" are usually
> of mixed-race and not considered White unless they are 15/16ths White. Jews
> are not usually considered as acceptible into most White racialist
> organizations due to the long running subversion promoted by the
> Jewish Establishment and supported by the majority of Jews for many years.
> Also there's the element of Semitic and Oriental genes within the Jews, which
> varies from person to person.
> 
> If Whites are less than 5% of the world's population, then the need to stop
> non-white immigration into White countries is even more urgent. 200 years ago
> Whites constituted nearly 30% of the world's population.
> 
> :>but have managed during the past five
> :>centuries to snatch up and make into 'white majority countries'
> :>approximately a third of the earth's surface. Your extra-European 'white
> :>majority' countries were built on the bones of their previous inhabitants,
> :>often with the unpaid or underpaid labor of non-Whites.
> 
> OK, I think I understand you. If it weren't for non-whites then Whites would
> have never made it? Yea right.
> 
> :>From the standpoint of the long-term prospects of your beloved white race
> :>is it better to perpetuate an inherently instable and unjust situation of
> :>enearned privilege, or better to work to achieve a more realistic and
> :>fairer balance, one which would reward initiative and competence, no
> :>matter what the race, color, creed, or ethnicity of the individual
> :>possessing it?
> 
> The best long-term prospects are guaranteed by our people living in all-White
> nations where "intiative and competence" are rewarded among our own. Besides,
> what "unearned privelege" do I as an average White person get? None! On the
> contrary, I'm supposed to work and pay taxes to support a large and growing
> non-white underclass, provide benefits for unwanted non-white invaders, and
> all the while, I'm supposed to like it. Bullshit! I see my children's future
> getting worse with every non-white immigrant who crosses the border and
> every non-white welfare baby that's born.
> 
> Look, I've lived in these heavily non-white areas of the country and I
> don't like it. And I'll be damned if I'm ready to just roll-over and
> willingly allow this criminal government to make the whole nation into an
> expansion of these non-white cities. Forget it, you can't sell that bill
> of goods to me.
> 
> :>Your specter of a 'brown soup future' if people are allowed
> :>to freely mix is at variance with what we know about the workings of
> :>heredity.
> 
> More anti-White hate.
> 
> :>> If such massive immigration and integration were being pushed on Africa,
> :>> you would indeed consider it invastion, genocide, the whole nine yards
> :>> -- against whites, of course, it's the highest kind of idealism.
> :>
> :>There was a massive, usually genocidal, immigration of Europeans pushed on
> :>North and South America, the Indian subcontinent, Australia and New
> :>Zealand, China, Southeast Asia, and Africa starting some 500 years ago and
> :>still not quite ended.
> 
> Where do get "genocidal?" The poulations of non-whites have increased
> dramatically as soon as they got access to White medicine, adopted White
> standards of hygene, etc. I'd hardly call that genocide.
> 
> :>This process made it possible for your
> :>immigrant ancestors to settle and start a new life in what is now the
> :>United States and for you to spend some time in Rhodesia. Now that the
> :>shoe is on the other foot, you're hurting. Our regal advice to you is to
> :>consider seeking professional help.
> 
> The difference being that we obtained these areas by our natural right by
> being able to occupy and defend these areas. But, you are right the shoe is
> on the other foot. I want Whites to understand that fact. The same thing will
> happen to us as happened to the Indians. The main difference being that the
> Indians understood the problem, they knew what was at stake, and realized the
> White man was the enemy. Their problem was we were too strong, our technology
> to overwhelming. Today, we undoubtedly have the power to drive every
> non-white invader from our presence. The problem is that we are being
> subjected to a constant brainwashing program to make us think that allowing
> ourselves to be dispossessed is a noble act. We're expected to believe that
> handing our nation over to persons who couldn't create it themselves is the
> practice of high morality. Well, to all that I say: Bull! It's not noble or
> high morality, its SUICIDE.
> 
> Look, there's plenty of non-white areas in America. If you like that kind of
> living, then go live there. However, I tried it and don't like it.
> 
> Yours truly,
> Ian McKinney
>     \|/
>      |
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> White Racial Solidarity - An Idea Who's Time Has Come!
> 
> National Alliance
> http://www.natvan.com or http://www.natall.com
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------



	I was just correcting the title.   The Politically Correct clones keep
changing it to something it has nothing to do with.


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Stewart Patton wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 11 Dec 1996 16:04:48 -0800, Rich Graves
>  wrote:
> 
> >Anonymous wrote:
> >>
> >> Let's add items 20 thru 22 to the list:
> >>
> >> 20.  Emphasis on cheap, cheap labor.
> >> 21.  Fat and slovenly workers.
> >> 22.  Exercise videos.
> >>
> >> Does anyone have anything else to add to this list?
> >
> >23. Women named Julia.
> >24. English language.
> >25. Starts with "19."
> >
> >-rich
>  26.  history means nothing.
> 27.  nothing has meaning but the almighty dollar
> 28.  one never really knows what the government is up to
> 29.  the people who really know whats going on are labelled "weird" by
> everyone else


30. Duckspeak(see book)


From bwhit@conterra.com Sat Dec 14 08:34:54 PST 1996
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Marpessa Kupendua wrote:
> 
> Warm Greetings Mumia Supporters and supporters of freedom and
> justice for all PP/POW's!
> 
> Many fantastic events took place on Monday, December 9, and the
> MARCH ON WALL STREET in NY, organized by strong
> freedom fighters Bro. Herman Ferguson, Sis. Safiya Burkhari, Sis.
> Pam Africa, and many other strong workers and supporters of this
> outstanding event was no exception!  1,000+ people marched and
> rallied right in the heart of the belly of Babylon, WALL STREET,
> in a *very* highly spirited and revolutionary outpouring of anger
> and resistance against this wicked system!!!  We salute all those
> from Paris, France to Kansas City, MO who held demonstrations
> in solidarity with the righteous struggle to FREE ALL
> POLITICAL PRISONERS!  ABOLISH THE DEATH PENALTY!
> STOP POLICE MURDER!
> 
> !! WE WHO BELIEVE IN FREEDOM CANNOT REST !!
> !! GET ONA MOVE FOR FREEDOM AND JUSTICE !!
> !! NO MORE EXCUSES !! WE *MUST* BE SERIOUS !!
> 
> NEW YORK IS ON THE MOVE!
> 
> ------------------------------------------------
> 
> MARCH AGAINST POLICE BRUTALITY
> 
> MONDAY, JANUARY 20, 1997
> 
> 2:00 P.M.
> 
> OUR CIVIL RIGHTS ARE BEING TAKEN AWAY
> 
> *******************************************
> REMEMBER ANTHONY ROSARIO AND HILTON VEGA
> *******************************************
> 
> "Why are you doing this, we are not resisting!"
>      -- Anthony Rosario's last words
> 
> LET'S STOP THE VIOLENCE AGAINST OUR PEOPLE
> 
> ANTHONY ROSARIO, AGE 18, SHOT 14 TIMES:
> HILTON VEGA, 21, SHOT 8 TIMES ALL IN THE BACK
> WHILE FACE DOWN ON THE FLOOR.  KILLED BY
> DETECTIVES PATRICK BROSNAN AND JAMES CROWE
> FROM THE 46TH PRECINCT IN THE BRONX ON JANUARY
> 12, 1995.
> 
> MARCH BEGINS AT 2784 CLAFLIN AVENUE (OFF
> UNIVERSITY AVENUE AND 197TH) CONTINUING TO 46TH
> PRECINCT AT 181ST AND RYER AVENUE (OFF THE
> GRAND CONCOURCE) - NEW YORK
> -------------------------------------------------
> 
> INTERVIEW ON DEATH ROW WITH MUMIA ABU JAMAL
> PRESENTED BY THE PEOPLES VIDEO NETWORK AT THE
> INTERNATIONAL ACTION CENTER, 39 W. 14TH ST., #206
> (212) 633-6646
> 
> THURSDAY, DECEMBER 12, 1996
> 6:30 - 9:00 PM
> 
> THE PRISON INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX, NEW AGE SLAVERY
> A deathrow interview with Mumia Abu Jamal
> by Monica Moorehead & Larry Holmes
> 
> Peoples Video Network, 39 West 14th Street, #206, NY, NY
> 10011
> 
> Take 1,2,3,4,5,6,A, or F to 14th St. or the LL to Union Square
> For more info, call PEOPLES VIDEO NETWORK at (212) 633-
> 6646; e mail: pvnnyc@peoplesvideo.org; website:
> www.peoplesvideo.org
> 
> NOTE from Sis.:  I saw this incredible video for the first time on
> Monday and salute all those who worked hard to put together this
> outstanding contribution to our liberation struggle!!  It a MUST
> SEE for *all* workers in *all* freedom campaigns!!
> JUST SAY "HELL NO" TO 21ST CENTURY PRISON SLAVE
> LABOR AND THE MASS KIDNAPPING AND MEDICATION
> OF OUR PEOPLE!
> -----------------------------------------------------
> 
> SLAM! COALITION FOR PUBLIC EDUCATION CITY-WIDE
> MEETING
> 
> SLAM!/COALITION for Public Education are working on three
> campaigns this year: 1) Fighting the State and City Education
> Budget Cuts, 2) Getting Cops Off Campus, and 3) Supporting
> Students on Public Assistance/Ending Workfare.
> 
> If you want to work with other students from throughout New
> York City on these issues come to the next SLAM!/Coalition for
> Public Education Meeting:
> 
> WEDNESDAY, DEC. 11, 7:30
> CUNY GRADUATE CENTER
> 25 W. 43RD ST., ROOM 400
> FOR MORE INFO CALL (212) 642-2549
> 
> CPE/SLAM! IS A COALITION OF STUDENT ACTIVISTS
> FROM THROUGHOUT NYC, EVERYONE IS INVITED TO
> PARTICIPATE.  JOIN US IN OUR NEXT PLANNING
> MEETING:
> FRIDAY, DECEMBER 13, 3:00 PM
> BROOKLYN COLLEGE
> ROOM 3309 - JAMES HALL
> ------------------------------------------------------
> 
> JOIN THE FIGHT TO STOP THE EXECUTION!
> 
> Come to Coalition meetings the 1st and 3rd Wednesday of every
> month.  Call the COALITION TO FREE MUMIA ABU JAMAL!
> 212/330-8029 For Details.  In Philadelphia, Contact the
> INTERNATIONAL CONCERNED FAMILY AND FRIENDS OF
> MAJ AT 215/476-8812.
> 
> FREE THE MOVE 9!  FREE ALL POLITICAL PRISONERS!
> ------------------------------------------------------
> 
> ProLIBERTAD Volunteers and Friends Invite You To A
> 
> BREAD IS RISING POETRY JAM & POT-LUCK HOLIDAY
> PARTY
> 
> AT
> 
> COMO COCO CAFE
> 107 SUFFOLK STREET
> (Near Delancey Street, Lower East Side, NY)
> "F" Train to Delancey Street Shop
> 
> MONDAY EVENING, DECEMBER 16, 1996
> 
> 6:00 P.M. - 10:00 P.M.
> 
> READING & MUSIC BY PEDRO PIETRI, JOE FALCON,
> TOBACCO ROAD (LATIN JAZZ), READINGS OF POEMS
> WRITTEN BY THE PUERTO RICAN POLITICAL PRISONERS
> AND POWS
> 
> THE PARTY IS POT-LUCK - SO BRING A DISH & EAT UP!
> 
> FOR INFORMATION:  CARLOS DUFFLAR (212) 369-3079
> 
> PROLIBERTAD MEETINGS - PROLIBERTAD MEETS AT ST.
> MARYS CHURCH LOCATED ON 126TH STREET BETWEEN
> BROADWAY AND AMSTERDAM AVENUE, MANHATTAN -
> EVERY OTHER WEDNESDAY - JOIN US - NEXT MEETING:
> DECEMBER 18, 1996 - 6:00 P.M.
> 
> UPCOMING EVENT:  JANUARY 11, 1997:  VIGIL & PRAYER
> SERVICE IN WASHINGTON, D.C. (GO ON THE
> PROLIBERTAD BUS!)
> 
> AMNESTY NOW FOR PUERTO RICAN POLITICAL
> PRISONERS & PRISONERS OF WAR
> 
> Fifteen Puerto Rican political prisoners - 5 women and 10 men -
> are serving sentences of 35 to 105 years in U.S. jails.  They were
> convicted of acting, or conspiring to act, to overthrow by force the
> authority of the U.S. government in Puerto Rico.  In other words,
> they were convicted of acting in favor of Puerto Rico's
> independence and self-determination.
> 
>      The Puerto Rican political prisoners are conscientious
> activists for freedom and justice, punished by the U.S.
> government, which does not want its authority questioned.
> 
> PUERTO RICO: U.S. COLONY
> 
>      Puerto Rico was invaded by U.S. Marines in 1898 and has
> since been continually occupied by the U.S. military.  Spain was
> forced to cede control of the island nation at the end of what is
> called the Spanish-American War, by terms of the treaty between
> Spain, France and the U.S.  The people of Puerto Rico were not
> included in the treaty negotiations, nor have they ever been
> consulted about their status to this day.  Ultimate political
> decision-making power remains in the hands of the U.S. Congress.
> All the political parties of Puerto Rico acknowledge that Puerto
> Rico is a colony.
> 
>      International law denounces colonialism as a crime, and
> recognizes colonized people's right to end colonialism by any
> means at their disposal.  The United Nations identifies Puerto Rico
> as a colony, and has demanded that the U.S. relinquish its colonial
> power and recognize Puerto Rico's right to independence and self-
> determination.
> 
>      As with any people of one nation dominated by another,
> Puerto Ricans have resisted the U.S. government's usurpation of
> their nation's sovereignty.  Their resistance has been censored and
> criminalized.  Puerto Rican nationalists have been punished
> throughout the years by harassment, surveillance, imprisonment,
> and even summary execution.
> 
> "CONSPIRACY": A POLITICAL CHARGE
> 
>      "Conspiracy" is a loosely defined legal concept that the
> U.S. government uses to trample on the freedoms of political
> association and speech.  Simply talking, or associating with
> another person, may be grounds for a conspiracy charge.
> Thousands of Puerto Ricans have been jailed for "conspiracy"
> during the nearly 100 years of U.S. occupation because they have
> advocated and organized to get the U.S. out of Puerto Rico.
> 
>      The actions of the Puerto Rican political prisoners are
> comparable to those of George Washington and Thomas Jefferson,
> who denounced the tyranny of Britain.  They fought for principles
> of democracy, and gained independence from their colonial rulers.
> Similarly Nelson Mandela fought for the political rights of the
> majority in South Africa.  The U.S. government recognized that
> Mandela's 27-year imprisonment for organizing to overthrow the
> apartheid government was unjust.  Like Washington, Jefferson,
> and Mandela, the Puerto Rican political prisoners are conscientious
> activists for freedom and justice, not criminals.
> 
> EXCESSIVE AND DISPROPORTIONATE SENTENCES
> 
>      The Puerto Rican political prisoners have been sentenced
> to punitive and disproportionate prison terms compared to common
> prisoners.  The average sentence for the Puerto Rican political
> prisoners is 70.8 years for the men and 72.2 years for the women.
> None of the Puerto Rican political prisoners was convicted of
> causing personal injury to anyone.  In contrast, between 1966 and
> 1985, the average sentence in the federal system for prisoners
> convicted of murder was 22.7 years; of rape, 12.5; and of
> weapons violations, 12 years.
> 
>      The majority of the Puerto Rican political prisoners have
> already served 16 years.  Four of them have appeared before the
> Parole Board, only to be told to come back in 15 years, or serve
> out the remainder of their sentence.
> 
> ABUSIVE CONDITIONS
> 
>      The Puerto Rican political prisoners have been subjected to
> cruel, inhumane and degrading prison conditions, held far from
> their families and communities, sexually assaulted, denied medical
> care  -  tactics designated to destroy them in body and spirit.
> 
>      Amnesty International condemned the conditions at both the
> maximum security Marion Federal prison, where Oscar Lopez was
> held until 1995, and the Lexington Control Unit, where
> Alejandrina Torres was held for two years.  It denounced the
> treatment of the prisoners as "deliberately and gratuitously
> oppressive."  Oscar Lopez is now being held at ADX Florence,
> Colorado, where sleep deprivation techniques and isolation are
> common practices.
> 
> WHY SHOULD YOU JOIN THIS CAMPAIGN?
> 
>      The time has come for us to publicly denounce the human
> rights violations committed against those Puerto Ricans who have
> struggled for the independence of their country and to demand
> their unconditional amnesty.  This campaign is based on principles
> of justice that are important to all of us:
> 
> *  Self-determination is a basic right of all people;
> *  Their sentences are excessive and disproportionate;
> *  They have been subjected to abusive prison conditions which
> violate their human rights;
> *  The Puerto Rican political prisoners have already served more
> time than is demanded of most prisoners, including those convicted
> of homicide.
> 
> WHAT YOU CAN DO
> 
> *  Join and/or make a monetary contribution to ProLIBERTAD.
> *  Organize activities or conferences on the prisoners in your
> school, community, church, or workplace.
> *  Sign petitions or write letters to the President asking for
> amnesty, or write to your local politicians.
> *  Write to the Puerto Rican political prisoners.
> 
> CONTACT US AT:  ProLIBERTAD, PO BOX 477, NY, NY
> 10159-0477, TEL. (718) 601-4751; FAX (718) 601-3909
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Submitted by:  Sis. Marpessa
> http://www.webcom.com/nattyreb
> FORWARD EVER, BACKWARD NEVER!!


	I repeat: does your idea of freedom include keeping governments from
jailing whites for making Poltiically Incorrect statements about
non-whites?
	Or is your so-called freedom only freedom for leftists?


From bwhit@conterra.com Sat Dec 14 17:06:07 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Subject: Re: Why Has it Been Said That the Bible Is "Anti-Semitic?"
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Biggovrnmt wrote:
> 
> The Roman Empire persecuted the Christians, and killed Christ. They were
> Pagans, they hated Jews as well



	Actually, as one who has read the Old Testament, let me say this: 
considering the way Jehovah treated the Chosen People, there was a lot
to be said for being among the Overlooked.


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Gregory Taylor wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker   wrote:
> >Certainly I can understand taht, being a Poltiically Correct clone, you
> >assume that everybody lies in print.  To you, it just a question of
> >lying for "a good cause".
> 
> Actually, I make no such assumptions. My question derives from one of
> your own sentences, which seems rather simple to parse. Just in case
> you were hoping we'd all missed it, here it is again:
> 
> >> >From bwhit@conterra.com Sat Jun  1 06:39:10 PDT 1996
> >> >Message-ID: <4oo50f$23b@molokini.conterra.com>
> >> ... I have also lied
> >> >about my position in poltical writing a number of times.
> >> >Others would call it stretching the truth, but I consider any
> >> >intentional misstatemetn of fact to be a lie.
> 
> >You wouldn't understand this, of course, but there is a big difference
> >between an unintended mistake and a lie.  This will seem a mere quibble
> >to you, but it's very important to me: I have made lots of mistakes in
> >ny writings, but I've never lied in anything I've published.
> >Can you see the diffference?
> 
> The comment of yours I've posted above would seem to contradict what
> you've written previously. The guy who uses your name in the June 1
> posting tells us that he has lied about his position in political
> writing, and the guy posting yesterday from the same place with the
> same name tells us that he's never lied in anything he's published.
> Unless we do some fancy quibbling about the difference between
> "in political writing" and "publishing" (which is, I suspect, where
> this is going), one of the two of you *is* lying, rat cheer.



	Nothing particularly fancy about what you call quibbling.   Like most
profssional, the overwhelming majority of my poltical writing has been
for other people, eg, congressional speeches.  I intentionally untruthed
one hell of a lot in those.
> 
> I note, too, that you claim in the 1 June bit to appear quite scrupulous
> about honesty and authenticity - going so far as to collapse the
> distinction between "stretching the truth" and "lying". I find it
> curious that you'd go to so much trouble there and to be so ethically
> lapsed when it comes to "what you've published" and "what you've written."
> Seems to me as though you're abandoning the moral high ground pretty
> clearly.
> 
> Considering that you seem so interested in appearances and actions,
> I'd think that you'd be pretty ashamed of needing to lean on some kind
> of difference between what you "write" and what you "publish." In doing
> so, you're explicitly telling us that there's reason to believe that
> you're duplicitous, aren't you? Haven't you rather clearly implied
> that it's possible that the "published" Bob Whitaker who plagues both
> our houses is perhaps lying (if we read your June I missal)? And
> aren't you creating some problems for your credibility if you claim
> a difference between what you "write" and what you "publish" in terms
> of truth content? You seem to be doing so here - I can't think of another
> way to reconcile the two Whitaker posts above.
> 
> You seem rather confused. I can't say it surprises me.
> --
> When I pronounce the word Future,/the first syllable already belongs to the
> past./When I pronounce the word Silence,/I destroy it./When I pronounce the
> word Nothing,/I make something no nonbeing can hold./ (Wislawa Szymborska)
> Gregory Taylor WORT-FM URL:http://www.msn.fullfeed.com/~gtaylor/RTQE.html


From bwhit@conterra.com Sun Dec 15 19:25:58 PST 1996
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Subject: Re: Why do Republicans want assault weapons?
Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 20:14:30 -0500
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JEL wrote:
> 
> > Why do Republicans want assault weapons
> 
> Because they are repressed sexually!
> 
> Ask any psychologist.  Sexually repressed people substitute objects for
> sexual gratification purposes.  Since most republicans can't "get it up"
> in the traditional, they have to use weapons as substitutes for "getting
> it up".




	Would you limp-wristed morons PLEASE stop referring to semiautomatics
as "assault weapons"?


From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Dec 16 07:05:09 PST 1996
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william c anderson wrote:
> 
> Doc Tavish ("tavish@phoenix.net"@phoenix.net) wrote:
> 
> : Keith, my man, read your Old Testament and you will see that the kosher
> : kids were doing the same things. They were committing genocide long
> : before Nazism became a household word. I must be an ignorant, racist,
> : bigot as my detractors have claimed because I do not have enough
> : intelligence to see why the "chosen" can do things and not be condemned
> : that if others did they are blood thirsty ruthless killers. If I sound
> : anally-retentive then explain the plights of the Amorites, the
> : Jebusites, the Canaanites etc.
> 
> I hereby condemn the ancient Hebrew soldiers who killed the Amorites,
> the Jebusites and the Canaanites.  I also condemn the Elamites, who
> massacred the Kassites; the Athenians, who killed all the male
> inhabitants of Melos; the Spartans, who wiped out the Plataeans; The
> Bourbons, who tried to eliminate the Huguenots; and all the European
> colonial powers who destroyed various tribes of Native Americans.
> 
> I'm unsure, however, about what this has to do with the actions of the
> modern, ostensibly civilized German nation between 1933 and 1945...
> 
> Bill




	There's no money in dead Canaanites or Ukrainian peasants.  There's
BILLIONS in the Holocaust.


From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Dec 16 07:28:13 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Subject: Re: There are no Races: evidence.
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Eugene Holman wrote:
> 
> In article <589lhv$aj7@news.usaor.net>, mckinney@usaor.net (Ian McKinney) wrote:
> 
> > While I'm sure there are still many archetype specimens of "pure race"
> > around, your point that there may have been some very distant non-white
> > ancestors among those which would be normally classified as White, does not
> > negate the fact of racial classifications. As far as I'm concerned, someone
> > who's at least 15/16ths (94%) White, I accept as White. Although there may be
> > those who would hold someone to a higher proportion, I think 15/16ths is the
> > highest practical standard. Incidentally, I happen to think that most White
> > people are more than 15/16ths White.
> >
> 
> Why must the figure be set so high - or so low? If you're dealing with an
> idealized racial purity it's all or nothing. If you're dealing with the
> practical world, any figure over 50% is usually regarded as necessary and
> sufficient for membership in a specific class. Thus 9/16ths, 56.25%, would
> seem adequate enough.
> 
> > As I said before, a minimum of 94% White is good enough for me,
> > and represents the lowest allowable percentage for consideration.
> 
> For consideration?! ROTFL! Who wil the judge and jury be, and what are
> their credentials?




	
	This would never occur to a Politically Correct clone, but the way we
define
races is to allow us to do our own defining.  Let us have our white
community, and you
can have your mixed community.
	Your answer is, no way, Jose.  You know exactly what would happen to
your
"there are no races" crap out in the real world.
	 The fact is that the entire PC proggram is for racial balance in ALL
white majority countries, and ONLY in white majority countries.  They
would not tolerate any whites
being allowed to live to themselves, anywhere on earth, and they have
said so repeatedly.
	And for reason.  We all know what happens when whites are temporarily
allowed
to set up their own communities.  The Politically Correct get racial
balance and busing,
and out go the whites.  So the PC then use their money to set up
"low-cost"(black)
housing in the escapee communities, and busing again.   And the cycle
repeats.
	The one thing Politically Correct people can never subject their
policies to is the criterion of whether they actually WORK or not.  They
also cannot allow it to matter
whether any of their victims WANT what they are pushing or not.  Those
tests always fail.
	As a result, the invariable result of Politically Correct policy, from
busing to the Berlin Wall, is always a major effort at blocking any
escape attempt.
	I'll keep repeating this until all you clones hear it.












> 
> We have spoken.
> 
> Eugene the Curly-headed
> King of alt.politics.white-power, Protector of our Aryan heritage,
> Defender of the English language, Scourge of racial purity, etc. etc. etc.


From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Dec 16 10:51:43 PST 1996
Article: 39031 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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Tonz wrote:
> 
> Is this some cowardly fucker who is so afraid of standing behind his
> own opinions that he get a macro to send replies to any arguement
> against them?




	I am standing behind my opinions pretty damned openly.  What you are
complaining about is due to your  training.
	You think repeating Politically Correct arguments in different words
makes them new arguments.  They don't.
	You keep repeating, and I keep repeating.  The problem is there is only
one of me. People who say what I am saying pay a price few are willing
to pay.
        There is an endless supply of people like you to repeat the same
old PC crap in different words, so I have to keep repeating the same
words.
	I am not talking to you.  I am talking over your head to people who can
think.  I use the same words to show just how bare your demands for
genocide against whites actually are, and the people I am aiming at can
see that clearly.


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Philip Kasiecki wrote:
> 
> In article <32B43939.6B54@conterra.com>,
> Bob Whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) ran his automated response machine and
> had it produce the following:
> :       I'll keep repeating this until all you clones hear it.
> 
>     We know Bobby will keep repeating his lies long after everyone has
> heard it.
>     Why does Whitaker choose to lie about the words of others?
> 
>         Phil "still the great unanswered question" Kasiecki
> 
> --
> Philip T. Kasiecki
> Electrical and Computer Engineering
> Northeastern University Class of 1999
> 
> "The most dangerous kind of ignorance is the ignorance
> of the educated."   -Thomas Sowell, "Race and Culture"



	I noticed that you kept repeating what I said, including my line about
repetition. 
	It seemed kind of silly until I realized something.   Being used to a
Politically Correct environment, you really don't know the difference
between your repetitions and mine. 
	The difference is that what you keep repeating is repeated millions of
times to students who are required to listen, and in the media.  What I
am saying is not allowed in public or in the schools.
	You can repeat until you're blue in the face, and it will still just be
another repeat among the millions.


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Andrew Chin wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
> : Andrew Chin wrote:
> : > Maybe because beginning in 1492, whites demanded massive immigration into
> : > a Native American-majority continent?  You give no justification for
> : > privileging 1996 over 1492.  I have high hopes for the future, so I would
> : > like to privilege 2096 over 1996: a world, I hope, where race matters as
> : > little as shoe size.
> 
> :       Same thing again.  There are a grand total of two arguments for
> : the ongoing genocide being practiced against whites:  1) there is no
> : white race and 2) the white race deserves it.  This is the standard
> : white race deserves it argument.
> 
> Desert is not the issue.  You are attempting to make a case for locking in
> land entitlements according to racial majorities as they exist in 1996.
> That begs the question, why 1996 rather than 1492?  Indeed, why any year
> at all?  If we are optimistic about the progress of humanity, we should
> choose a year in the future as the touchstone.  That is why I would like
> to privilege 2096 over 1996, and embrace a vision where race matters as
> little as shoe size.
> 
> And don't worry, there is a White race.  Whites created the edifice
> (see legal precedents below), so don't blame "Political Correctness" for
> its definition.  The judges who decided these cases were hardly PC.
> 
> : > Perhaps you can present statistics on the "massive" number of whites
> : > seeking and being denied immigration and citizenship in nonwhite-majority
> : > countries.
> 
> :       Where did you get THAT one?
> :       Whites don't want to go to colored countries in large numbers.  You
> : dmeand that the third world be allowed to pour white majority countries,
> : and ONLY white majority countries.
> 
> Good; we agree that whites are not being denied immigration and
> citizenship in nonwhite-majority countries.  This makes your claim that
> your "Politically Correct" opponents are only interested in immigration
> into white-majority countries completely speculative.  I have an
> equally strong interest in having a blue sky and a green lawn; but
> I only water the grass.  There is no contradiction.
> 
> : > : You demand your so-called "race" mixing, which
> : > : is actually only *white* mixing,
> 
> : > Huh?  If a nonwhite mixes with a white, both are mixed.  Your logic
> : > reveals a perspective that sees the nonwhite as a nonperson.
> 
> :  ONE MORE TIME:
> 
> You did not respond here, but merely reprinted the entirety of your
> previous post.  Are you engaging me in a debate, or a shouting match?  If
> the latter, then this will be my last posting on this thread.  I will
> welcome responses from readers by email.
> 
> : > When Whites created the race problem, they targeted the nonwhite races
> : > perfectly.
> 
> Again, no response.
> 
> Case list follows:
> 
> See, e.g., In re Ah Yup (1878)
> (Chinese are not White); In re Camille (1880) (persons half white and
> Native American are not White); In re Kanaka Nian (1889) (Hawaiians are
> not White); In re Hong Yen Chang (1890) (Chinese are not White); In re Po
> (1894) (Burmese are not White); In re Saito (1894) (Japanese are not
> White); In re Burton (1900) (Native Americans are not White); In re Knight
> (1909) (persons half White, one-quarter Japanese, and one-quarter Chinese
> are not White); In re Balsara (1909) (Asian Indians are not White); In re
> Najour (1909) (Syrians are White); In re Halladjian (1909) (Armenians are
> White); Bessho v. United States (1910) (Japanese are not White); In re
> Alverto (1912) (persons three-quarters Filipino and one-quarter White are
> not White); In re Young (1912) (persons half German and half Japanese are
> not White); In re Akhay Kumar Mozumdar (1913) (Asian Indians are White);
> Ex parte Dow (1914) (Syrians are not White); Petition of Easurk Emsen
> Charr (1921) (Koreans are not White); Ozawa v. United States (1922)
> (Japanese are not White); United States v. Thind (1923) (Asian Indians are
> not White); United States v. Ali (1925) (Punjabis are not White); In re
> Feroz Din (1928) (Afghanis are not White); United States v. Gokhale
> (1928) (Asian Indians are not White); De La Ysla v. United States (1935)
> Filipinos are not White); De Cano v. State (1941) (Filipinos are not
> White); Kharaiti Ram Samras v. United States (1942) (Asian Indians are not
> White); In re Ahmed Hassan (1942) (Arabians are not White); Ex parte
> Mohriez (1944) (Arabians are White).
> 
> --
> Andrew Chin                 Fighting racism is not a special interest.
> Yale Law School
> caase@minerva.cis.yale.edu
> 
> : >
> : > : and you use public money for busing
> : > :  and "low-cost"(black) housing to chase down any white escapees.
> : > :       The best definition I know of *the white race* is that it is
> : > : your Politically Correct target.
> : >
> : > This definition serves your demonization of "PC" thinkers, but is
> : > historically incorrect.  The white race was constructed legally by white
> : > judges, thus creating a starting point of entitlements for whites that are
> : > now being deconstructed through complementary entitlements for nonwhites.
> 
> : You're back on 2), whites deserve it.   This is one of your standard
> : excuses.
> 
> : >
> : > See, e.g., In re Ah Yup (1878)
> : > (Chinese are not White); In re Camille (1880) (persons half white and
> : > Native American are not White); In re Kanaka Nian (1889) (Hawaiians are
> : > not White); In re Hong Yen Chang (1890) (Chinese are not White); In re Po
> : > (1894) (Burmese are not White); In re Saito (1894) (Japanese are not
> : > White); In re Burton (1900) (Native Americans are not White); In re Knight
> : > (1909) (persons half White, one-quarter Japanese, and one-quarter Chinese
> : > are not White); In re Balsara (1909) (Asian Indians are not White); In re
> : > Najour (1909) (Syrians are White); In re Halladjian (1909) (Armenians are
> : > White); Bessho v. United States (1910) (Japanese are not White); In re
> : > Alverto (1912) (persons three-quarters Filipino and one-quarter White are
> : > not White); In re Young (1912) (persons half German and half Japanese are
> : > not White); In re Akhay Kumar Mozumdar (1913) (Asian Indians are White);
> : > Ex parte Dow (1914) (Syrians are not White); Petition of Easurk Emsen
> : > Charr (1921) (Koreans are not White); Ozawa v. United States (1922)
> : > (Japanese are not White); United States v. Thind (1923) (Asian Indians are
> : > not White); United States v. Ali (1925) (Punjabis are not White); In re
> : > Feroz Din (1928) (Afghanis are not White); United States v. Gokhale
> : > (1928) (Asian Indians are not White); De La Ysla v. United States (1935)
> : > Filipinos are not White); De Cano v. State (1941) (Filipinos are not
> : > White); Kharaiti Ram Samras v. United States (1942) (Asian Indians are not
> : > White); In re Ahmed Hassan (1942) (Arabians are not White); Ex parte
> : > Mohriez (1944) (Arabians are White).
> : >
> : > : When your academic heroes are
> : > : "dealing with the race problem", they target the white race perfectly.
> : >
> : > When white legislators and judges created the race problem, they targeted
> : > the nonwhite races perfectly.
> 
> :       Argument 2) again.
> 
> :       The bottom line is that your theory is non-racial, but integration in
> : the real world is only being appied to whites.  Asia and Africa are,
> : practically speaking, exempt.
> :       You admit this freely, and justify it.  Your justification is always 1)
> : the white race does not exist and 2) the white race deserves it.
> :       You keep repeating, and blame me for repeating.
> : >
> : > --
> : > Andrew Chin                 




Fighting racism is not a special interest.


	Actually, it is.
		As I explain to each of you clones in turn, my problem with your
so-called "mixing" is that you are only interested in doing it in white
majority countries.  You demand massive third world immigration into
EVERY white majority country, and ONLY into white majority countries. 
You demand your so-called "race" mixing, which is  actually only *white*
mixing, and you use public money for busing and "low-cost"(black)
housing to chase down any white escapees.
	Your so-called solution to the race problem is always only the final
solution to the white problem. 
	Don't worry, I'll keep repeating this until each and every one of you
clones has
heard it.





> : > Yale Law School
> : > caase@minerva.cis.yale.edu
> 
> --
> Andrew Chin                 




Fighting racism is not a special interest.


	Actually, it is:
		As I explain to each of you clones in turn, my problem with your
so-called "color blindness" is that, in terms of real world resutls, you
are only interested in doing it in white majority countries.  You demand
massive third world immigration into EVERY white majority country, and
ONLY into white majority countries.  You demand your so-called "race"
mixing, which is actually only *white* mixing, and you use public moneyt
for busing and "low-cost"(black) housing to chase down any white
escapees.
	Your program is to have an Asian Asia, an African Africa, and to make
every
present white majority country into a brown sludge.
	Your so-called solution to the race problem is always only the final
solution to the white problem.    What you call being "anti-racist" is
actually just anti-white.
	Don't worry, I'll keep repeating this until each and every one of you
clones has
heard it.







> Yale Law School
> caase@minerva.cis.yale.edu


From bwhit@conterra.com Thu Dec 19 06:08:49 PST 1996
Article: 39467 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Philip Kasiecki wrote:
> 
> In article <32b706ce.3931256@news.sure.net>,
> Ursus Major (Ursus@sure.net) wrote:
> : pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu (Philip Kasiecki) wrote:
> : *In article <32b3c3a8.37558099@news.sure.net>,
> : *Ursus Major (Ursus@sure.net) wrote:
> : *: Go into any advanced hard-science lecture hall at any decent
> : *: university and note the ratio between Euro and Oriental students to
> : *: the ethnic composition of the school as a whole; then trot over to
> : *: one of the pseudo-sciences, like sociology, and compare the ethnic
> : *: composition of that class. This STAGGERING difference cannot be
> : *: ascribed simply to cultural values.
> 
> : *    Sounds like a coincidence to me.
> 
> : [It would to a Goodthinker. Anything PROVING manifest lack of ability
> : is "coincidence."]
> 
>     Of course, you say this without having read what I said afterwards,
> which explained why I say that.  It's just like when someone talks about
> sports disparities- why are there practically no Blacks in hockey, a lot
> in basketball, about half of the NFL's players are Black (and a position-
> by-position look is better suited for this), and how major league
> baseball is quite diverse, with a good percentage of Whites, a rising
> number of Blacks, and many of Latin American descent, especially from
> the Dominican Republic.
>     But I digress.
>     How does not being in a biological or physical science area prove a
> manifest lack of ability?  A friend of mine does fine in those areas,
> but he simply isn't interested- he's majoring in history now (after he
> started out in psychology, then moved to english).  I might add, he's
> White.  That he's not in an area similar to yours truly does *not* prove
> a "manifest lack of ability".
> 
> : *I've often sensed that not many Blacks have an interest in the math/
> : *science areas, at least not as many as in areas such as social
> : *sciences, or the arts, or other areas.
> 
> : [Nor the ability to COPE with them. The "bull-shit" sciences (and
> : "Black Studies"--a real zinger) is the stomping ground for most. Not
> : ALL, but most!]
> 
>     Post the citation.  I might add that HBCUs generally do not contain
> a Black Studies curriculum.
>     Who says that a non-interest necessarily indicates an inability to
> cope with them?  Let's say I do something I've thought about doing on
> occasion- let's say I go change my major to take up sports journalism
> instead of electrical and computer engineering (I'm great at covering
> college basketball, so I could moonlight here if I wanted to).  Would
> that mean that suddenly, I have no ability to cope with this?
> Bullshit!!  I've had this talent my whole life, I don't suddenly lose it
> because I lose interest!!
> 
> : *: Culture is a component; the "circuitry" is another component: very
> : *: few Jews on professional basket ball teams, very few Negro members of
> : *: the American Mathematical Society.
> 
> : *    Coincidence, more than anything else, IMO.
> 
> : [Mommy Professor do love the word "coincidence"!]
> 
>     I'll tell why for both.  First off, my guess is that not many Jews
> are interested in playing basketball, as evidenced by the low numbers of
> them.  And, as I've said before, I've always sensed that many Blacks are
> interested in areas other than math/sciences.  Although, I've also heard
> that the numbers are rising in that area- more Blacks are becoming
> interested in taking up these studies.
> 
> : *: For a more balanced view, you might try Hackman's >Two Nations ...<.
> 
> : *    I've read the book, and the author's name is Hacker, stupid.
> 
> : Poor baby, the only excuse you can find to vent your hostility is a
> : typo. Mommy Professor's waiting for you ... scurry along!
> 
>     WTFE.
> 
> : *Philip T. Kasiecki
> : *Electrical and Computer Engineering
> : *Northeastern University Class of 1999
> 
> : Who would prever NOT to comment on the ratio of Negroes to other
> : students in HIS department, as opposed to N.E.U. as a whole ...
> : WONDER WHY?
> 
>     I've already done so, actually- and to be honest, most Black
> students I know who are engineering majors are in civil or chemical
> engineering.  I don't know if those disciplines are where the majority
> of Black engineering students are majoring in, but most that I know are
> in one of those two.  There aren't many in mine.
> 
>         Phil Kasiecki
> 
> --
> Philip T. Kasiecki
> Electrical and Computer Engineering
> Northeastern University Class of 1999
> 
> "The most dangerous kind of ignorance is the ignorance
> of the educated."   -Thomas Sowell, "Race and Culture"


From bwhit@conterra.com Thu Dec 19 07:38:00 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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I see you switched the title back to the old lie: I never have offered
any definition of white.

Another clone, another repeat:


	This would never occur to a Poltically Correct clone, but the way we
separate
races is to allow us to do our own separating.  Let us have our white
community, and you
can have your mixed community.
	Your answer is, no way, Jose.  You know exactly what would happen to
your
"there are no races" crap out in the real world.
	 The fact is that the entire PC proggram is for racial balance in ALL
white majority countries, and ONLY in white majority countries.  They
would not tolerate any whites being allowed to live to themselves,
anywhere on earth, and they have said so repeatedly.
	And for reason.  We all know what happens when whites are temporarily
allowed
to set up their own communities.  The Politically Correct get racial
balance and busing,
and out go the whites.  So the PC then use their money to set up
"low-cost"(black)
housing in the escapee communities, and busing again.   And the cycle
repeats.
	The one thing Politically Correct people can never subject their
policies to is the criterion of whether they actually WORK or not.  They
also cannot allow it to matter
whether any of their victims WANT what they are pushing or not.  Those
tests always fail.
	As a result, the invariable result of Politically Correct policy, from
busing to the Berlin Wall, is always a major effort at blocking any
escape attempt.
	I'll keep repeating this until all you clones hear it.






Another clone, yet another repeat:

	To repeat,  I don't get bogged down with PC clones   in the sophistry
of "defining the white race". When you say there is no white race, you
are tacitly admitting that you are interested in immigration and
integration in ALL white Majority
countries, and ONLY in white majority countries.  The only way you can
claim this pattern is not genocide is to say there is no white race.  
        I don't get drawn into this definitional sophism.  I
concentrate  on the admission behind it.
	You know exactly what the white race is.  You target it perfectly.

  



ndrew Mathis wrote:
> 
> Ursus@sure.net (Ursus Major) wrote:
> 
> >holman@elo.helsinki.fi (Eugene Holman) wrote:
> 
> >*Bob Whitaker  repeated for the umpteenth kazillionth time:
> >*
> >*>
> >*> As I explain to each of you clones in turn, my problem with your
> >*> so-called "color
> >*> blindness" is that, in terms of real world results, you are only
> >*> interested in doing it in white majority countries.  You demand massive
> >*> third world immigration into EVERY white majority country, and ONLY into
> >*> white majority countries.
> >*>
> >*
> >*Equine feces! Nobody is demanding *massive* immigration anywhere. What is
> >*being supported - not demanded - is the right of people to move to places
> >*where they think that they can make a better life for themselves and their
> >*families. It is precisely these pressures that brought the Whitakers to
> >*the United States from wherever they came from X generations back. Why
> >*should *you* have been allowed to benefit from immigration, while others
> >*are not?
> >*
> >*Whites, particularly if defined according to the restrictive 'one drop and
> >*you're out, WASP but no Wogs, Wops, Slavs, Spics or Kikes' model, make up
> >*a miniscule proportion of the world's population - certainly no more than
> >*five per cent and probably less - but have managed during the past five
> >*centuries to snatch up and make into 'white majority countries'
> >*approximately a third of the earth's surface. Your extra-European 'white
> >*majority' countries were built on the bones of their previous inhabitants,
> >*often with the unpaid or underpaid labor of non-Whites. Any fool knows
> >*that in situations where a thin stratum of the population grabs a
> >*disproportionate share of the goodies and creates a situation (read 'caste
> >*system') where others are not even given a fair shot at them, eventually
> >*results in the enchiladas hitting the proverbial fan.
> >*
> >*>   You demand your so-called "race" mixing,
> >*> which is actually only *white* mixing, and you use public money for
> >*> busing and "low-cost"(black) housing to chase down any white escapees.
> >*>
> >*
> >*From the standpoint of the long-term prospects of your beloved white race
> >*is it better to perpetuate an inherently instable and unjust situation of
> >*enearned privilege, or better to work to achieve a more realistic and
> >*fairer balance, one which would reward initiative and competence, no
> >*matter what the race, color, creed, or ethnicity of the individual
> >*possessing it? Your specter of a 'brown soup future' if people are allowed
> >*to freely mix is at variance with what we know about the workings of
> >*heredity. Since the specific qualities which account for our phenotype are
> >*inherited in discrete bundles as genes are handed down from one generation
> >*to the next, and not, as in your implied model, as a 'mixing of blood',
> >*there will always be various combinations of light and dark hair, blue and
> >*brown eyes, darker and lighter skin, broader and pointier noses, longer
> >*and rounder heads, etc., etc. The bases of your criticism of public
> >*policies and fears for the future are a deficient understanding of both
> >*the social forces that determine history and heredity as well as your
> >*narcissistic paranoia.
> >*
> >*>
> >*> If such massive immigration and integration were being pushed on Africa,
> >*> you would indeed consider it invastion, genocide, the whole nine yards
> >*> -- against whites, of course, it's the highest kind of idealism.
> >*
> >*There was


	WAS
	Do you have the vaguest idea what the past tense means?
 



       The old clone statements are both here: whites should be
immigrated and integrated out of existence because 1) the white race
doesn't exist and 2) the white race deserves it.





 a massive, usually genocidal, immigration of Europeans pushed on
> >*North and South America, the Indian subcontinent, Australia and New
> >*Zealand, China, Southeast Asia, and Africa starting some 500 years ago and
> >*still not quite ended. It was called 'exploration', 'colonization', 'the
> >*White man's burden', and 'colonialism', even though much of it was ethnic
> >*cleansing pure and simple. This process made it possible for your
> >*immigrant ancestors to settle and start a new life in what is now the
> >*United States and for you to spend some time in Rhodesia. Now that the
> >*shoe is on the other foot, you're hurting. Our regal advice to you is to
> >*consider seeking
> >*professional help.
> >*
> >*We have spoken.
> >*
> >*
> >*Eugene the Curly-headed
> >*King of alt.politics.white-power, Protector of our Aryan heritage,
> >*Defender of the English language, Scourge of racial purity, etc. etc. etc.
> 
> >"Eugene the Dim-witted" would be a more appropriate appellation.
> 
> >As practitioners of genocide, Whitey-the-Oppressor has been remarkably
> >unsuccessful: the population of Mexico has trebled in less than 50
> >years, while it will take Ireland 200+ years to attain the population
> >it had in 1800. (Perhaps a revival of the Aztec custom of eating one's
> >neighbor--"Whom are we having FOR dinner?"--might assist in lowering
> >the fertility rate, which is higher than Bangladesh. But I doubt it.)
> 
> Interesting that you mention Ireland; not only did the Brits commit
> SEVERAL genocides there, but the main reason that its demography is as
> you states is that the Brits did nothing to help out during the spud
> famine--even though Ireland was part of the U.K. at the time.  So
> nearly everyone who didn't die or RESORT TO CANNIBALISM (note
> emphasis--yes, the Irish resorted to cannibalism in the Black '40s)
> went to America.  Or Liverpool
> 
> >In Brazil (another "victim"), the situation has devolved down to Wild
> >Children: abandoned by their parents, who have reverted to a feral
> >state. When they become particularly irksome, the Brazilian army
> > (also not a very White institution) sends out helicopter gunships to
> >"thin the ranks."
> 
> The Braziilian gov't is as white as a sheet; the populace is not,
> mainly because the Spanish didn't killthe natives likethe Brits did in
> Norteamerica; they intermixed with them. The ruling class is pure
> white, tho.


	Damn if that doesn't sound racist!
	Brazil has always been the Paradise of intermarriage you clones pointed
to as Perfection in Action.
        What happened?
	Do you mean to say it DOESN'Y WORK?
	How incredibly unusual for something that is Politically Correct!!!
	





> 
> Andrew Mathis
> 
> =================================================================
> 
> Shining a flashlight on the ugly underside of the 'net: http://www.webmagazine.com/Features/Hate/intro.html
> 
> NOT Alfred: http://www.nj.com/maxwells/archive/hitchcock.html
> 
> The Homepage that made Milwaukee famous: http://pages.nyu.edu/~aem0608
> 
> "Anti-Semitism creates Jews."
> --Louis Brandeis, U.S. Supreme Court Justice


From bwhit@conterra.com Thu Dec 19 15:09:56 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Eugene Holman wrote:
> 
> In article <32B43939.6B54@conterra.com>, bwhit@conterra.com wrote:
> 
> > Eugene Holman wrote:
> 
> > > For consideration?! ROTFL! Who wil the judge and jury be, and what are
> > > their credentials?
> >
> 
> >
> >         This would never occur to a Politically Correct clone, but the way we
> > define
> > races is to allow us to do our own defining.  Let us have our white
> > community, and you
> > can have your mixed community.
> >         Your answer is, no way, Jose.  You know exactly what would happen to
> > your
> > "there are no races" crap out in the real world.
> >
> 
> Our retort-o, Oh Roberto, is that restricting the definers of who will be
> defined as white solely to the group that defines itself as white using no
> set of clear and objective criteria is as futile an exercise in circular
> reasoning as you can get. But I guess realizing that is beyond the
> abilities of your super-charged frontal lobes which are able to do nothing
> but ferret out clones and those who base their reasoning on something
> other than stomach-patting or boilerplated platitudes. We, for one, would
> pay hard-earned money to watch the donnybrook as the 14.5/16's (=29/32)
> faction fights it out with the 15.5/16 (31/32) faction :-)), while
> pictures of long-forgotten philandering ancestors and DNA analyses
> revealing unsuspected but incontrovertable signs of tainted racial
> pedigree are produced. We'll invite any of the mighty fallen who turn out
> to be distant relatives to next year's family reunion.
> 
> 
> We have spoken, but not before casting our vote for a 1023/1024 model
> (REGAL GRIN).
> 
> Eugene the Curly-headed
> King of alt.politics.white-power, Protector of our Aryan heritage,
> Defender of the English language, Scourge of racial purity, etc. etc. etc.


	Actually, we're doing all that by law with quotas now.   Letting people
define themselves is something you just won't stand for.   Some whites
would get away from your "voluntary" mixing.


From bwhit@conterra.com Fri Dec 20 07:12:59 PST 1996
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Justin Samuels wrote:
> 
> Bobby, come up with new arguements please.  These are starting to get
> old.



	Yea, right, like you come up with new ones.


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There are a grand total of two arguments on the Poltiically Correct
side in favor of genocide against whites: 1) the white race doesn't
exist and 2) the white race deserves it.  This is argument 2)





Justin Samuels wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker wrote:
> 
> >
> > Fighting racism is not a special interest.
> >
> >         Actually, it is:
> >                 As I explain to each of you clones in turn, my problem with your
> > so-called "color blindness" is that, in terms of real world resutls, you
> > are only interested in doing it in white majority countries.  You demand
> > massive third world immigration into EVERY white majority country, and
>  ONLY into white majority countries.  You demand your so-called "race"
>  mixing, which is actually only *white* mixing, and you use public
> moneyt
>  for busing and "low-cost"(black) housing to chase down any white
>  escapees.
>        Your program is to have an Asian Asia, an African Africa, and to
> make
>  every
> present white majority country into a brown sludge.
>          Your so-called solution to the race problem is always only the
> final
>  solution to the white problem.    What you call being "anti-racist" is
> actually just anti-white.
>          Don't worry, I'll keep repeating this until each and every one
> of you
> > clones has
> > heard it.
> 
>  You are serious about repeating your arguemnet until everyone hasheard
> it.  You've been posting the same lines for months now, Whitaker.  Well,
> Bob, has you should know, repeating something doesn't change anyones
> mind, you know how many arguements you've gotten into over the months.
> One thing I agree with you one, the US will end up like Latin AMerica,
> predominately mixed race, and that's the way it should be. 




	Oh, yea, they're real winners, they are.  Especially thoroughly mixed
Brazil.  That has been always the race mixers' ideal, and one hell of a
success story.
	Oh, yes, I forget: they are SO SO SO SO BEAUTIFUL!!!!!!
	Yea, right.




 If that
> makes you uncomfrtoable, you'll just have to live with it.  Mulattoes
> are the most beautiful people in the world.  And you know what?  Farmers
> and scientist often croosss different breeds or varities to produce a
> superior breed of animal or varity of plant.  Hybrids have what's called
> hybrid vigor, which means thatthey are better.  So it will be an
> improvemet to turn the US brown, like Mexico, and Brazil already are.
> Argentina, ocne you get away from Buenos Aires, has many mestizos and
> mulattoes, half the country is mixed race.  You might aswell accept the
> inevitable Bob, there isn't anything you can do about it.  Of course,
> the the Europeans hadn't started colonialism, this situation never would
> have happened.  Me, I'm glad it did, or else I never would have been
> born.  SO thank you Whites, for raping Black and Indian Women and
> producing me.


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Doc Tavish wrote:
> 
> Joel Rosenberg wrote:
> >
> > In article <59c2u5$tf$2@uhura.phoenix.net> Doc Tavish <"tavish@phoenix.net"@phoenix.net> writes:
> > >From: Doc Tavish <"tavish@phoenix.net"@phoenix.net>
> > >Subject: Re: Jews in Israel Hate Immigrants
> > >Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 12:47:49 -0600
> >
> > >(Delete spam-buster ([at]) to reply) wrote:
> > >>
> > >> On Wed, 18 Dec 1996 19:35:53 -0600, Doc Tavish
> > >> <"tavish@phoenix.net"@phoenix.net> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >Attention Lurkers: See how consistently "the chosen" resort to name
> > >> >calling.
> > >>
> > >> How quaint.  For reference, see sig below:
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> "Jew boys resort to the name calling and personal slams"
> > >>      (Doc Tavish <"tavish@phoenix.net"@phoenix.net>,
> > >>      in <599ps1$k61$1@uhura.phoenix.net>, on Wed, 18
> > >>      Dec 1996 16:00:43 -0600)
> >
> > >You are now grabbing at straws spammy. Do you think Jew boys is more
> > >perjorative than being called a blood thirsty mass murderer i.e. Nazi?
> >
> > If you don't like being called a Nazi, don't be one.
> >
> > Since you've admitted  that you are, suffer.
> 
> Joel your group is the group that like calling people Nazis if they
> disagree with you and I have denied being a Nazi I don't know how many
> times but you all will not listen. Yeah when I get get tired of hearing
> it I say ok Iam a "Nazi" so what? You still don't get the point! How
> many times have I insinuated you are a little Commie and
> Rosenbergovitch? I haven't seen you once deny it- so wouldn't that be an
> admission that you are a Bolshevik. We can't win with your crowd though.
> If we deny or if we don't it is all still the same. The same as was for
> Rush Limbaugh, Pat Buchanan, Marlon Brando, Marge Schott, Newt Gingrich-
> people are getting tired of being labeled Nazis and people are getting
> tired of seeing personalities they admire as being called Nazis. Honest
> question Joel and think hard- what happens when enough people are called
> Nazis long enough? No personal threat and I will save this post and mark
> it because I know about your group's cut and paste techniques!
> To see Rush Limbaugh and his listeners tagged as Nazis go to:
> http://www.webadr.com/rush/index.htm
> 
> Doc Tavish -Trying to explain it to those who have ears but can't hear!



	Hadn't you heard?  Anyone who disagrees with Rosenberg is A Nazi Who
Wants To Kill Six Million Jews.
	Rosenberg told me flat out that he uses his being Jewish for Politicial
Correctness.


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william c anderson wrote:
> 
> Doc Tavish (tavish@phoenix.net) wrote:
> 
> : Ol' Doc caught him another one. I don't care how you spell Krewchef but
> : it sure seems strange that people from your side seem so concerned! Joel
> : Rosenbergovitch commented on reading Karl Marx's Das Kapital the other
> : day too. Is he a good little Bolshevik now? If reading Mein Kampf (which
> : I haven't) is claimed by you all to make little Nazis then on the other
> : hand, wouldn't reading Marx make you a little Commie? :-)
> 
> Uh...Doc?  Nobody here claims that reading Mein Kampf will make
> you a nazi.  You keep arguing with strawmen, though.  You seem
> like you need a hobby.
> 
> By the way, I've read both Mein Kampf and Das Kapital (well, most
> of it, anyway) and I'm neither a Nazi or a Commie.  How do you
> explain that?
> 
> Bill


	That's easy to say.  Both books are too boring for anybody to actually
finish.


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william c anderson wrote:
> 
> Doc Tavish (tavish@phoenix.net) wrote:
> 
> : Ol' Doc caught him another one. I don't care how you spell Krewchef but
> : it sure seems strange that people from your side seem so concerned! Joel
> : Rosenbergovitch commented on reading Karl Marx's Das Kapital the other
> : day too. Is he a good little Bolshevik now? If reading Mein Kampf (which
> : I haven't) is claimed by you all to make little Nazis then on the other
> : hand, wouldn't reading Marx make you a little Commie? :-)
> 
> Uh...Doc?  Nobody here claims that reading Mein Kampf will make
> you a nazi.  You keep arguing with strawmen, though.  You seem
> like you need a hobby.
> 
> By the way, I've read both Mein Kampf and Das Kapital (well, most
> of it, anyway) and I'm neither a Nazi or a Commie.  How do you
> explain that?
> 
> Bill


	That's easy to say.  Both books are too boring for anybody to actually
finish.


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Bryan Cowan wrote:
> 
> In article <59mtn2$i91@chaos.dac.neu.edu>, pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu
> (Philip Kasiecki) wrote:
> 
> > In article <59mipg$2ec@maw.montana.com>, whitepride@mailmasher.com wrote:
> > :   My page could use some more work, but as a 15 year old high school
> > : student, I haven't to much time.             ^^^^^^^^^^^
> >
> >     That explains a *lot*.
> 
> Hopefully he'll grow up before he ends up dead or in prison. If they last,
> these white power teenagers usually see the light in their early 20s.



	When they have to start pleasing the establishment, in other words.


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william c anderson wrote:
> 
> Doc Tavish (tavish@phoenix.net) wrote:
> 
> : Ol' Doc caught him another one. I don't care how you spell Krewchef but
> : it sure seems strange that people from your side seem so concerned! Joel
> : Rosenbergovitch commented on reading Karl Marx's Das Kapital the other
> : day too. Is he a good little Bolshevik now? If reading Mein Kampf (which
> : I haven't) is claimed by you all to make little Nazis then on the other
> : hand, wouldn't reading Marx make you a little Commie? :-)
> 
> Uh...Doc?  Nobody here claims that reading Mein Kampf will make
> you a nazi.  You keep arguing with strawmen, though.  You seem
> like you need a hobby.
> 
> By the way, I've read both Mein Kampf and Das Kapital (well, most
> of it, anyway) and I'm neither a Nazi or a Commie.  How do you
> explain that?
> 
> Bill


	That's easy to say.  Both books are too boring for anybody to actually
finish.


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Irene Whitfield wrote:
> 
> In article , joelr@winternet.com says...
> >
> >In article <59cgi9$27u$7@uhura.phoenix.net> Doc Tavish
> <"tavish@phoenix.net"@phoenix.net> writes:
> >>From: Doc Tavish <"tavish@phoenix.net"@phoenix.net>
> >>Subject: Re: This may be what he meant.
> >>Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 16:40:21 -0600
> >
> >>Andrew Apollo wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I've found that j@ws, leftists and other types of communists never
> have
> >>> anything interesting to say and only spend their time posting
> personnal
> >>> insults and creating bitch fights.
> >>>
> >>> 14-88
> >
> >>Andrew you too will now be called a Nazi
> >
> >Simply because he used the "88" neonazi symbol?  Imagine that!  Next
> thing you
> >know, people will be calling you a Nazi just because you admit you are.
> >
> >
> the definition of a Nazi, is any
> person winning an argument against
> a tory.
>
> Matt English Nationalist.
> Courtesy of Irene Whitfield.



	The difference between a communiost and a socialist has always been
that teh communist is a totalitarian.  The difference between a Nazi and
a racist has always been that a Nazi is a totalitarian.
	During the sixties, liberals routinely used communist expressions, but
you Politicaly Correct types who are always calling all racists Nazis
would brand anybody who called those '60's liberals communists as right
wing extremists.


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Ricardo Brooks wrote:
> 
> whitepride@mailmasher.com wrote:
> 
> >Oh my LORD!  Now that's humor!  Do you do stand-up?  Listen,
> >I got to tell you, you are funny!  You're hysterical!  That's
> >humor if I ever heard it. Thanks for taking time out of your
> >busy circle-jerk schedule to make me laugh, I really appreciate
> >that.
> 
> Since 'tis the season to be jolly, here are a few more
> to help you through your day...
> 
> Question: How many white power freaks does it take to fuck
>           one black woman?
> 
> Answer: No one knows. They are still trying to figure it out.
> 
> Question: How do you get 10 white pride freaks out of a tub?
> 
> Answer: Throw in a bar of soap.
> 
> Question: How many skin heads does it take to give one of their
>           fellow brethren a haircut?
> 
> Answer: Eight. One to hold the clippers and seven to turn the chair.
> 
> Question: How many rounds did the O.J. Simpson - Ron Goldman
>           fight last?
> 
> Answer: One nanosecond.





	Thus proving once again that Politically Correct humor is an oxymoron.


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Subject: Re: Diversity is a fact of life; get used to it
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 15:02:59 -0500
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Philip Kasiecki wrote:
> 
> In article <59qv38$217@is05.micron.net>,
> Brian Smith (sbrian@micron.net) wrote:
> : Once multiracialism runs its course the nation will be a cross between
> : India, Africa, and Mexico.
> 
>     I challenge Brian to prove this.
> 
> : I'd rather have my kids grow up in a safe, civilized, and progressive
> : White environment with low-crime than one of your beloved multiracial
> : filth-holes.
> 
>     I challenge Brian to provethat a non-White environment is inherently
> crime-ridden.
> 
>         Phil Kasiecki


	Get out of your Politically Correct school environment and look around,
dumb-dumb.




> 
> --
> Philip T. Kasiecki
> Electrical and Computer Engineering
> Northeastern University Class of 1999
> 
> "The most dangerous kind of ignorance is the ignorance
> of the educated."   -Thomas Sowell, "Race and Culture"


From bwhit@conterra.com Fri Dec 27 12:09:23 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Subject: Re: There are no Races: evidence.
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Philip Kasiecki wrote:
> 
> In article ,
> Parker Beatley (civil@anet-stl.com) wrote:
> : In article <59p6ci$geg@chaos.dac.neu.edu>, pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu
> : (Philip Kasiecki) wrote:
> : > In article ,
> : > Parker Beatley (civil@anet-stl.com) wrote:
> : > : Would you live in Harlem?  Would you live in Torrance? Would you
> : > : live in the Barrio in Los Angeles? No? Why not? I mean, if race is
> : > : no big deal, why do you live in a white neighbhorhood?
> 
> : >     Jeez, the racists love to ASSume what one's response would be...
> : >     I probably wouldn't live in those areas, but the reason has
> : > *nothing* to do with "race".  All I care about is that I'm in a safe
> : > area.  For example, there are some places in the south I'd probably
> : > live in that have predominately Black populations.  There are
> : > predominately White areas I wouldn't live in because of crime.  Not
> : > all areas that are predominately Black are crime-ridden, and not all
> : > areas that are predominately White are perfectly safe.
> 
> : Yes. But you want us to live with dangerous persons from these areas
> : where you won't live by just letting them move into our neighborhoods.
> : If you won't live in Harlem, why would you let someone from Harlem
> : come and live with you, and then bring more and more and more of their
> : criminal drug-ridden friends in until you notice the degradation of
> : your community through your liberal integrationist policies, and you
> : move, because, in reality, Harlem has come to you?
> 
>     First off, not everyone from Harlem is a criminal.  If the person is
> a decent person, doesn't get in trouble, etc., there's no reason to not
> let the person move in.  On the other hand, if there's someone who has a
> long criminal record who wants to move in, that's another story.  You're
> forgetting that you have to look at people on an individual basis.  I'm
> sure there are some good people in Harlem, just as there are bad ones.
> 
> : > : Would you sell crack on the corner? Would you drink from a paper
> : > : bag  on the sidewalk? Would you be cool?
> : >
> : > : Never mind.
> 
> : >     I'd never get into that kind of stuff.  That's for brain-dead
> : > people to do, not me- except the cool part, that is, since that's in
> : > the eye of the beholder.
> 
> : You don't need to. Your Harlem visitors will do that. They smoke crack
> : all the time.
> (snip)
> : You can just watch. Won't it be good liberal integrationist fun? Oh,
> : gee.  Just think! The moving van.
> 
>     Not all people from Harlem do that.  And as I said, I wouldn't let
> *every* person from there move in; I'd do what I can to keep bad ones
> out.  Let the good ones in.



	The problem with that theory, like all Mommy Professor's theories, is
that it doesn't WORK.     




> 
>         Phil "I repeat, you have to judge people on an individual basis
> at all times" Kasiecki
> 
> --
> Philip T. Kasiecki
> Electrical and Computer Engineering
> Northeastern University Class of 1999
> 
> "The most dangerous kind of ignorance is the ignorance
> of the educated."   -Thomas Sowell, "Race and Culture"


From bwhit@conterra.com Fri Dec 27 12:09:24 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Subject: Re: Gentlemen, It Must Be Told! - RETRY
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Like every other Poltically Correct clone, Sandi knows damned well why
people who disagree with her had BETTER be anonymous.   Nikor and all
the rest are essentially rats who report all heresy.
	In Nazi Germany, Hitlerites could denounce any critic who was anonymous
as "cowards",  just as Stalinists could denounce all ananymous criticism
of Communism as "cowardly".  In the same tradition, these Politically
Correct clones denounce anybody who criticizes their beloved System as
"cowards" today.
	There is nothing cheaper than denouncing critics as "cowards' when one
is safely with the establishment.  It's a habit of those on the side of
the authorities that is as old as it is sickening.




Sandi wrote:
> Could it be that you have a bitter taste in your mouth or is it jealousy?
> Me thinks that you have a very very biased opinion.  You must be a coward
> if you cannot even put you name to your post.
> 
> sandi
> 
> Anonymous  wrote in article
> <199612251607.IAA20138@mailmasher.com>...
> > The largest demographic group doing the most damage to
> > American society and its economy is comprised of the white
> > females.
> >
> > Two of the most glaring problems with females in positions
> > of power and responsibility are:
> >
> > 1.)  They will not tolerate having capable male subordinates
> > working for them (at least not on a permanent or long-term
> > basis.)  With this being the case, it does not take long for
> > performance, behavioral, and all other standards within the
> > female's realm of responsibility to hit rock bottom.
> >
> > 2.)  They form very unhealthy and highly suspect sociological
> > relationships (i.e. alliances) with minority males and Jewish
> > males.  Females are the operatives of the Jews.  Believe it
> > or not, females have become the eyes, ears, and arms of Jews
> > even where Jews are nowhere near present.  It is the abysmally
> > poor management on the part of females that leaves a company
> > wide open to acquisition by Jewish raiders.  The bottom line is
> > that the females' mindset is such that they are more susceptible
> > to the Jew influence; this is why you have the Biblical fable
> > of Eve in the Garden being tempted by the snake in the grass.
> > The Jew domination of the fashion industry gives the whole swarm
> > a "legitimized" and reinforced "in" with the minds of white
> > females.
> >
> > Female Management, a Case Study:
> >
> > Roughly 20 years ago I was at a meeting where my group was
> > collaborating with a group of managers and systems analysts
> > from the data processing department on the development of
> > a new system, a very major one at that with many millions of
> > dollars at stake.
> >
> > It was widely known BACK THEN that there was an issue with the
> > turn of the century and with the prevalent use of two digits for
> > the year in dates.  So I offered a very simple suggestion for the
> > new system which would eliminate the turn-of-the-century problem
> > and all necessity for any conversion headaches down the road.
> >
> > All that had to be done was to record dates in what I call
> > "absolute julian format."  That is, take a past date and make it
> > the start date; count the number of days from that start date to
> > the date at hand; and assign that count to the date at hand as
> > its absolute julian date.  The conversion from the absolute julian
> > date to a meaningful, readable gregorian date would be accomp-
> > lished by fairly simple arithmetic calculations.  This scheme is as
> > simple as counting 1,2,3,... but these professional data process-
> > ing whiz kids had absolutely no idea what I was talking about.
> > Rather than admit their ignorance, those people slammed me saying
> > that they had other priorities, that two digit years did not
> > present a pressing concern, and on and on, and that they would
> > stick with the current convention for the new system.  I had no
> > choice but to silence myself, as I had found myself doing on many
> > similar occasions.
> >
> > I have since learned that certain airline reservation systems
> > use the date scheme which I suggested, as does the spreadsheet which
> > runs in my computer.  Today's date, 12/25/96 A.D., is held as 33,962
> > which is simply the 33,962nd day relative to January 1, 1904 A.D.,
> > which is the start date and which is held as zero.
> >
> > Anyway, the lead person of the data processing group was a female,
> > and her attitude was stereotypical of that gender.  I have yet to
> > see the realm of a female executive or manager that can be termed
> > a "class act."  This particular female manager had herself sur-
> > rounded with third-rate and lesser subordinates.  This being
> > typically the case for female managers and executives, it is only
> > natural that approaches to problems will ALWAYS be far less than
> > optimal when females are in charge!  (Look to Janet Reno, Christie
> > Whitman, and Hillary Clinton.)
> >
> > The worst thing about all of this is that there are males, both
> > white and third worlders, who are feminists and who will not have
> > things any other way.  These males will go right down to the
> > mat fighting to keep the current vile scheme of things in place.
> > These males are holding jobs and earning money which they never
> > could command in the absence of females' keeping them on as cronies.
> >
> > BTW, the new computer system to which I alluded was a dismal
> > failure for many reasons not having to do with the date format
> > being used.  Many millions of dollars were wasted, this by a
> > company which would not give a ten cent raise to a deserving
> > white male worker!  Do not kid yourself; the cost of this type
> > of waste and inefficiency together with settlements such as the
> > $175,000,000 Texaco discrimination settlement is passed on to
> > society at large - that is, to YOU in the form of higher selling
> > prices!
> >
> > Gentlemen, be assured that I would not be reporting on such senarios
> > unless I have witnessed such things with my very own eyes over and
> > over and over and over and over and over and over and over again!
> >
> >
> >


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(Delete spam-buster ([at]) to reply) wrote:
> 
> On 26 Dec 1996 04:48:51 GMT, rickey@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Ricardo
> Brooks) wrote:
> 
> >Question: How many white power freaks does it take to fuck
> >          one black woman?
> >
> >Answer: No one knows. They are still trying to figure it out.
> 
> Question: How do you stop ten white power freaks from raping a black
> woman?
> 
> Answer: Toss them a television.




	Proving once again that Politically Correct humor is an oxymoron.
	Coyuldn't you come up with just ONE funny one?


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Subject: Re: There are no Races: evidence.
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(Delete spam-buster ([at]) to reply) wrote:
> 
> On 26 Dec 1996 14:18:48 GMT, pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu (Philip
> Kasiecki) wrote:
> 
> >    First off, not everyone from Harlem is a criminal.  If the person is
> >a decent person, doesn't get in trouble, etc., there's no reason to not
> >let the person move in.  On the other hand, if there's someone who has a
> >long criminal record who wants to move in, that's another story.  You're
> >forgetting that you have to look at people on an individual basis.  I'm
> >sure there are some good people in Harlem, just as there are bad ones.
> 
> When I lived in NYC, my best friend lived in Harlem, in the infamous
> projects by 125th & B'way.  Absolutely terrible place.




	You've got the standard spiel here, evil hillbilly neighbors and
wonderous Negro Friend.  
	But you forgot the line about "This Negro was the most brilliant person
I ever met".




> 
> OTOH, the worst neighbors I've *ever* had were here in Michigan.
> Classical "Po' whaht traish", literally "up from Kentucky".  Three
> generations under on *small* roof, and generally at least a couple of
> 'em in jail at any given time.  Constant harassment and property
> damage until I went outside and cycled my .45 in my front yard.  And
> no, I didn't aim it at them, but that was basically the end of the
> harassment.  I guess I finally used a language they could understand.


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Bill Silverthorn wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> 
> >Like every other Poltically Correct clone, Sandi knows damned well why
> >people who disagree with her had BETTER be anonymous.   Nikor and all
> >the rest are essentially rats who report all heresy.
> >       In Nazi Germany, Hitlerites could denounce any critic who was anonymous
> >as "cowards",  just as Stalinists could denounce all ananymous criticism
> >of Communism as "cowardly".  In the same tradition, these Politically
> >Correct clones denounce anybody who criticizes their beloved System as
> >"cowards" today.
> >       There is nothing cheaper than denouncing critics as "cowards' when one
> >is safely with the establishment.  It's a habit of those on the side of
> >the authorities that is as old as it is sickening.
> 
> OK, Bob, so knocking someone on the basis of being anomymous alone is not
> enough ... but you actually agreeing with this female bashing "schtuff"????
> 
> Bill
> 
> >Sandi wrote:
> >> Could it be that you have a bitter taste in your mouth or is it jealousy?
> >> Me thinks that you have a very very biased opinion.  You must be a coward
> >> if you cannot even put you name to your post.
> >>
> >> sandi
> >>
> >> Anonymous  wrote in article
> >> <199612251607.IAA20138@mailmasher.com>...
> >> > The largest demographic group doing the most damage to
> >> > American society and its economy is comprised of the white
> >> > females.
> >> >
> >> > Two of the most glaring problems with females in positions
> >> > of power and responsibility are:
> >> >
> >> > 1.)  They will not tolerate having capable male subordinates
> >> > working for them (at least not on a permanent or long-term
> >> > basis.)  With this being the case, it does not take long for
> >> > performance, behavioral, and all other standards within the
> >> > female's realm of responsibility to hit rock bottom.
> >> >
> >> > 2.)  They form very unhealthy and highly suspect sociological
> >> > relationships (i.e. alliances) with minority males and Jewish
> >> > males.  Females are the operatives of the Jews.  Believe it
> >> > or not, females have become the eyes, ears, and arms of Jews
> >> > even where Jews are nowhere near present.  It is the abysmally
> >> > poor management on the part of females that leaves a company
> >> > wide open to acquisition by Jewish raiders.  The bottom line is
> >> > that the females' mindset is such that they are more susceptible
> >> > to the Jew influence; this is why you have the Biblical fable
> >> > of Eve in the Garden being tempted by the snake in the grass.
> >> > The Jew domination of the fashion industry gives the whole swarm
> >> > a "legitimized" and reinforced "in" with the minds of white
> >> > females.
> >> >
> >> > Female Management, a Case Study:
> >> >
> >> > Roughly 20 years ago I was at a meeting where my group was
> >> > collaborating with a group of managers and systems analysts
> >> > from the data processing department on the development of
> >> > a new system, a very major one at that with many millions of
> >> > dollars at stake.
> >> >
> >> > It was widely known BACK THEN that there was an issue with the
> >> > turn of the century and with the prevalent use of two digits for
> >> > the year in dates.  So I offered a very simple suggestion for the
> >> > new system which would eliminate the turn-of-the-century problem
> >> > and all necessity for any conversion headaches down the road.
> >> >
> >> > All that had to be done was to record dates in what I call
> >> > "absolute julian format."  That is, take a past date and make it
> >> > the start date; count the number of days from that start date to
> >> > the date at hand; and assign that count to the date at hand as
> >> > its absolute julian date.  The conversion from the absolute julian
> >> > date to a meaningful, readable gregorian date would be accomp-
> >> > lished by fairly simple arithmetic calculations.  This scheme is as
> >> > simple as counting 1,2,3,... but these professional data process-
> >> > ing whiz kids had absolutely no idea what I was talking about.
> >> > Rather than admit their ignorance, those people slammed me saying
> >> > that they had other priorities, that two digit years did not
> >> > present a pressing concern, and on and on, and that they would
> >> > stick with the current convention for the new system.  I had no
> >> > choice but to silence myself, as I had found myself doing on many
> >> > similar occasions.
> >> >
> >> > I have since learned that certain airline reservation systems
> >> > use the date scheme which I suggested, as does the spreadsheet which
> >> > runs in my computer.  Today's date, 12/25/96 A.D., is held as 33,962
> >> > which is simply the 33,962nd day relative to January 1, 1904 A.D.,
> >> > which is the start date and which is held as zero.
> >> >
> >> > Anyway, the lead person of the data processing group was a female,
> >> > and her attitude was stereotypical of that gender.  I have yet to
> >> > see the realm of a female executive or manager that can be termed
> >> > a "class act."  This particular female manager had herself sur-
> >> > rounded with third-rate and lesser subordinates.  This being
> >> > typically the case for female managers and executives, it is only
> >> > natural that approaches to problems will ALWAYS be far less than
> >> > optimal when females are in charge!  (Look to Janet Reno, Christie
> >> > Whitman, and Hillary Clinton.)
> >> >
> >> > The worst thing about all of this is that there are males, both
> >> > white and third worlders, who are feminists and who will not have
> >> > things any other way.  These males will go right down to the
> >> > mat fighting to keep the current vile scheme of things in place.
> >> > These males are holding jobs and earning money which they never
> >> > could command in the absence of females' keeping them on as cronies.
> >> >
> >> > BTW, the new computer system to which I alluded was a dismal
> >> > failure for many reasons not having to do with the date format
> >> > being used.  Many millions of dollars were wasted, this by a
> >> > company which would not give a ten cent raise to a deserving
> >> > white male worker!  Do not kid yourself; the cost of this type
> >> > of waste and inefficiency together with settlements such as the
> >> > $175,000,000 Texaco discrimination settlement is passed on to
> >> > society at large - that is, to YOU in the form of higher selling
> >> > prices!
> >> >
> >> > Gentlemen, be assured that I would not be reporting on such senarios
> >> > unless I have witnessed such things with my very own eyes over and
> >> > over and over and over and over and over and over and over again!
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >




	

	No, I don't agree in general, with the following caveats:
	He may have a point here.  But white sellouts certainly include both
sexes.
	There is a tendency for "movement women" to be part of the minority
coalition, and I think white men are all feeling a bit betrayed right
now, so I can see where he's coming from.


From bwhit@conterra.com Sat Dec 28 10:09:54 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Subject: Re: Thomas Jefferson and miscegenation (was Re: More Facts Proving the Non-Existence of a "Pure White Race"
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Eugene Holman wrote:
> 
> In article <59ukbl$jgn@lex.zippo.com>, Ourobouros wrote:
> 
> > >We can only conclude that Jefferson's views on race mixing have nothing to
> > >do with saving the White race from 'pollution' or 'intermingling', but
> > >rather were consequences of a desire to retain the privileges and
> > >prerogatives of *men* belonging to the notoriously power-hungry and randy
> > >caste of White Virginia plantation owners which he represented. Jefferson
> > >had no fear of the White race being "corrupted" by race mixing, indeed the
> > >historical record shows that he did more than could reasonably have been
> > >expected of him to ensure that this *would* happen. His fear was that
> > >Black males might some day be in a position where they had the same
> > >privileges, prerogatives concerning sexual access to White women as the
> > >White plantation-owner caste had to Black women, a situation which would
> > >threaten the prevailing economic and social order.
> > >
> 
> > That's a nice story Mr. Holman, do you have anything to back it up, except
> > Afrocentrism mythology (this is concerning all your 'facts' on Thomas
> > Jefferson)?
> 
> My "facts" about Thomas Jefferson are generally acknowledged by his
> biographers and historians. You can check them out at the Monticello
> website at http://www.montivello.org. Monticello, as you might or might
> not know, was Jefferson's residence, and it is now maintained as a museum
> and historical monument. Unless you believe that the United States has
> been totally taken over by PC clones and Afrocentricist mythologists, you
> would want to work on the assumption that the people in charge of
> Monicello museum and website would not be interested in spreading false
> rumors about Thomas Jefferson, even if they would be interested in setting
> the historical record straight. For this reason, you might want to acquire
> the background necessary for making your own judgments about Thomas
> Jefferson and Sally Hemings by reading the two factsheets at the following
> URLs:
> www.monticello.org/Matters/people/hemings-jefferson_contro.html
> www.monticello.org/Matters/people/Sally_Hemings.html
> 
> You might also want to have a look at:
> James Hugo Johnston, *Race relations in Virginia & miscegenation in
> the South, 1776-1860*. Amherst, University of Massachusetts, Press, 1970.
> ISBN: 0870230506.
> 
> These documents take a neutral stance, noting that Jefferson never denied
> the allegations, even if he never admitted them, either.
> 
> Now, here are the facts, You can dispute them if you want, but the
> community of Jefferson scholars is in general agreement with respect to
> the following, which are more than enough to prove my thesis that a)
> Jefferson, by his actions (or inactions) condoned race-mixing as long as
> it was restricted to White men and Black women, b) the Jefferson household
> enriched the American gene pool with several quadraroons who eventually
> succeeded in 'passing for white' and thus 'polluting' the White gene pool.
> 
> 1. Sally Hemings, the focus of the controversy, was one of the
> illegitimate offspring of John Wayles, Jefferson's father-in-law, and
> Elizabeth Hemings, one of Wayle's black female slaves.
> 
> 2. Sally Hemings was thus a) Jefferson's sister-in-law, b) Jefferson's
> wife's half-sister, c) Jefferson's children's aunt.
> 
> 3. Jefferson took Sally Hemings into his household as a slave and
> mother-substitute for his daughter Polly. Sally accompanied Polly to
> Euorope when she was reunited with her father who was serving as the
> American ambassador to France.
> 
> 4. Sally Hemings took Polly back to the United States, while Jefferson
> remained in France.
> 
> 5. Exactly nine months after Jefferson himself returned from France, Sally
> Hemings gave birth to an almost white child. This pattern - exactly nine
> months after Jefferson returned to Monticello, Sally Hemings gave birth to
> an almost white child - was repeated four times. This information is
> easily accessible from Jefferson's own meticulously kept notebooks.
> 
> 6. Sally Hemings was the person who was at Jefferson's bedside when he died.
> 
> 7. Jefferson, who had owned hundreds of slaves during his sixty years as a
> slavemaster, freed Sally Hemings, her children and relatives from slavery
> in his legacy. These are the only slaves Jefferson owned to have received
> such preferential treatment. His other slaves and property were auctioned
> off to pay the debts Jefferson, a poor businessman, had accrued.
> 
> 8. At least two of Sally Hemings's children are on record as having been
> told by their mother that Thomas Jefferson was their father. The account
> of one of them, as well as an analysis of this account, may be found in
> the recently published book *The Long Afair: Thomas Jefferson and the
> French Revolution, 1785 - 1800*, by Conor Cruise O'Brien.
> 
> 9. It is impossible to prove that Jefferson was the father of some or all
> of Sally Hemings children. What can be proved is that:
> a) Jefferson allowed a situation to continue in his household which
> allowed Sally Hemings to bear a Jefferson-look alike children exactly nine
> months after he returned to Monticello on five occasions;
> b) that Jefferson was more solicituous of these children than he was of
> his other slaves;
> c) that Jefferson, even if he never admitted paternity, never denied it
> either (an early form of 'executive privilege'?
> ).
> 
> I challenge you, Mr Ouroborous, to find any holes, contradictions, or
> Afrocentrism in the above facts. If you were to be involved in a paternity
> suit with evidence of the above type against you, do you think you could
> get yourself off the hook?
> 
> We have spoken.
> 
> Eugene the Curly-headed
> King of alt.politics.white-power, Protector of our Aryan heritage,
> Defender of the English language, Scourge of racial purity, Nabob of
> Nordicity, Scholar of Scandinavianicity, etc. etc. etc.




	You and me both know very well that whoever runs Monticello now had
damned well better be a Politically Correct clone or he will lose all
funding.


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Occam's Razor wrote:
> 
> Duncan@drmac.demon.co.uk ("Duncan R. MacMillan") wrote:
> 
> >       Unrepresentative democracy came about in the White lands because
> >empire-builders manques became career politicians and colonised their own
> >people instead, stealing ever more of their money and giving it to hordes of
> >(etc.)
> 
> Yeah, great, whatever it all meant.  Now how about replying to my
> point ?  If whites are so stupid as to need anti-miscegenation LAWS to
> protect them, what is about them that needs preserving ?  And if they
> are so bright and beatiful, why do you need the laws ?  Presumably
> they'll only want to breed with other beautiful clever people, i.e.
> other whites.



	Another clone, another repeat:
	The reason antimiscegenation laws are needed in white countries is
because your "diversity" is only for white countries.  Political
Correctness aims at Africa remaining African, Asia remaining Asian, and
massive third world immigration ONLY for white majority countries and
for ALL white majority countries.
	Your so-called anti-racism is always anti-white.  Practiced against any
other race, it would be called genocide.
	Your reply will justify this genocide for one or both of the following
standard reasons: 1) the white race does not exist and/or 2) the white
race deserves it.


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Occam's Razor wrote:
> 
> zakalwe@vision25.demon.co.uk (Cheradenine Zakalwe) wrote:
> 
> >Very funny, although I expect this will go off the top of Duncan's head.
> 
> >--
> >*** Zakalwe ***
> 
> That it did, boyo, that it did.  At least I assume so, given that he
> seems to have ignored and recited some sort of irrelevent prepared
> speech instead.



	Look who's talking: the Politically Correct replay machine itself.


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Eugene Holman wrote:
> 
> In article <01bbf3b2$4dd42e60$0166afce@default>, "Rad"
>  wrote:
> 
> > If the average white American were born in Europe his life would be much
> > the same.
> 
> The most populous country in Europe is Russia (the European part of which
> has approximately 100,000,000 inhabitants) where the average salary is
> less than $200 a month and many people live on much less. Two other large
> European countries, Ukraine (51,700,000) and Romania (22,600,000), are in
> even worse shape, as are basket cases such as Albania (less than $1,000 a
> year per capita income), Bulgaria, Moldova, Serbia and Montenegro, Bosnia,
> and Macedonia.
> 
> It is only in the *Western part of Europe*, specifically, Finland, Sweden,
> Norway, Iceland, Denmark, Germany, the Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg,
> Switzerland, Austria, Liechtenstein, Italy, San Marino, Vatican City,
> France, Monaco, Andorra, Spain, Ireland, Malta, Cyprus, and the United
> Kingdom where people have standards of living roughly (±50%) those of the
> average American. Two countries in western Europe, Greece and Portugal,
> cannot even boast that. In the rest of Europe, specifically, Russia,
> Ukraine, Belarus, Poland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Czech Republic,
> Slovak Republic, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, Moldova, Slovenia, Croatia,
> Serbia and Montenegro, Macedonia, Georgia, Armenia, and Albania. many
> countries have gross domestic products which, allowing for expenses that
> must be made for heating, insulated housing, and winter clothing, are in
> the same league with those of many developing countries. Some of the GDPs
> for Europe's worst basket cases, Albania, Bosnia, Serbia-Montenegro, and
> Macedonia, are not included here. According to the CIA World Book of facts
> for 1995 they were all below $1,000. The figures given below are taken
> from "The World in 1997", published by the *The Economist*. Its figures
> for the
> 
> Some statistics:
> Country           Population            GDP per capita
> Austria             8,100,000             $27,840
> Belgium            10,000,000             $26,380
> Denmark             5,260,000             $34,620
> Finland             5,100,000             $25,030
> France             58,600,000             $27,600
> 
> Germany            81,800,000             $30,300
> Greece             10,400,000             $11,900
> Ireland             3,600,000             $19,670
> Italy              57,100,000             $22,900
> Netherlands        15,700,000             $26,000
> 
> Norway              4,400,000             $35,710
> Portugal            9,900,000             $ 9,700
> Spain              39,400,000             $15,522
> Sweden              8,900,000             $29,209
> Switzerland         7,200,000             $42,350
> 
> United Kingdom     58,900,000             $20,900
> 
> Bulgaria            8,300,000             $ 1,450
> Czech Republic     10,300,000             $ 5,570
> Estonia             1,470,000             $ 2,360
> Hungary            10,200,000             $ 4,720
> Latvia              2,460,000             $ 2,660
> 
> Lithuania           3,720,000             $ 3,700
> Poland             38,700,000             $ 3,930
> Romania            22,600,000             $ 1,645
> Russia            148,000,000             $ 3,550
> Slovakia            5,400,000             $ 3,870
> 
> Ukraine            51,700,000             $ 1,160
> 
> 
> USA               268,700,000             $29,600
> Canada             30,600,000             $20,690
> Japan             126,300,000             $38,120
> 
> Nigeria           104,600,000             $   390
> South Africa       43,500,000             $ 3,130
> Zimbabwe           12,200,000             $   690
> 
> China           1,240,000,000             $   720
> Hong Kong           6,320,000             $27,130
> India             975,800,000             $   360
> Indonesia         203,300,000             $ 1,210
> Kazakhstan         16,600,000             $ 1,500
> Pakistan          136,800,000             $   520
> Singapore           3,100,000             $32,878
> South Korea        45,600,000             $11,910
> Vietnam            77,100,000             $   360
> 
> > But if the average black American were born in Africa he would be
> > eating bugs and shitting on the ground.
> 
> The statistics show that the GDP for the three big (not necessarily the
> most prospoerous) African economies is at approximately the same level as
> that of Eastern Europe when allowances are made for the fact that a
> considerable amount of income inEastern Europe must be spent on keeping
> warm.
> 
> The world economic system is not fair, and anyone who has visited a
> country like Estonia can tell you that the standard of living is not one
> tenth that of the United States, as the figures seem to indicate, nor is
> the standard of living in Nigeria, with its petrochemical industry,
> skyscrapers, and wealthy capital, Lagos, a hundredth of the American one.
> Your comparison is too facile and its underlying assumptions too
> incendiary to be of any real value.
> 
> We have spoken.
> 
> Eugene the Curly-headed
> King of alt.politics.white-power, Protector of our Aryan heritage,
> Defender of the English language, Scourge of racial purity, Nabob of
> Nordicity, Scholar of Scandinavianicity, etc. etc. etc.

	

	All you have proven is that Communism, where you Politically Correct
types get to run things, can make a disaster of any economy.  Unless the
whtie country is Communist, there is no overlap at all between white and
"developing" countries.
	With Communism gone, the trend for Eastern Europe is up.  The trend
throughout Africa is down.
	All you've proven is what we all already knew: socialism sucks.
	Can you say anything else?


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smaceach@polar.bowdoin.edu wrote:
> 
> sbrian@micron.net (Brian Smith) wrote:
> 
> > I'd rather have my kids grow up in a
> > safe, civilized, and progressive White environment with low-crime than
> > one of your beloved multiracial filth-holes.
> 
> At this point, the most avowedly 'white' societies that I know of are
> probably Russia and Serbia. Try it out, Brian; we all know how safe
> and crime-free those countries are...
> 
> Scott
> ___________________
> 
> Scott MacEachern
> Department of Sociology and Anthropology
> Bowdoin College
> Brunswick, ME 04011
> -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====-----------------------
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	Communism can screw anything up.  So what's your point?


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Eugene Holman wrote:
> 
> In article <59srct$na4@nnrp2.farm.idt.net>, Alvin Nichter
>  wrote:
> 
> >
> > Earlier in U.S. history, many Americans opposed allowing a certain
> > immigrant group into the country because they believed that the group
> > wouldn't learn the language and wouldn't learn the culture.
> > For a long time, this was true; they continued to speak their old language
> > and kept their old ways.  They even had the audacity to name some
> > towns in the U.S. after cities in their old country.
> >
> > That group was the Germans.
> >
> > Does Mr. Smith believe that the U.S. should have prohibited
> > immigration from Germany?
> >
> 
> A century ago similar protests were being raised against the Irish,
> regarded as cognitively deficient, violent, profligate, crime-prone,
> habitual drunkards, unsuitable for life in urban surroundings and
> certainly not 'White'. Reminders of these attitudes can still be found in
> phrases such as 'Paddy wagon' and 'boghopper', as well as in no longer
> used ethnic slurs such as 'Irish shave' (= to defecate), 'Irish kiss' (= a
> punch in the mouth), and 'Irish heaven' (= two wooden clogs and a c*nt).
> The Irish had already been all but deprived of their language by the
> genocidal policies of the British which caused them to move to North
> America. Once there, they had to be clannish to protect themelves from the
> hostility of many other groups. The stereotypical Boston or New York
> 'Officer O'Grady' type cop reminds us of the Irish discovery that a good
> way to defend themselves was to join the local police force.
> 
> Does Brian Smith, whose name hints of some possible Irish background,
> think that the U.S. should have prohibited immigration from Ireland?




	All nations are nations of immigrants.  That does not mean they should
open t heir borders.
	What a silly argument!


From bwhit@conterra.com Sat Dec 28 10:10:54 PST 1996
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Eugene Holman wrote:
> 
> In article <01bbf3b2$4dd42e60$0166afce@default>, "Rad"
>  wrote:
> 
> > If the average white American were born in Europe his life would be much
> > the same.
> 
> The most populous country in Europe is Russia (the European part of which
> has approximately 100,000,000 inhabitants) where the average salary is
> less than $200 a month and many people live on much less. Two other large
> European countries, Ukraine (51,700,000) and Romania (22,600,000), are in
> even worse shape, as are basket cases such as Albania (less than $1,000 a
> year per capita income), Bulgaria, Moldova, Serbia and Montenegro, Bosnia,
> and Macedonia.
> 
> It is only in the *Western part of Europe*, specifically, Finland, Sweden,
> Norway, Iceland, Denmark, Germany, the Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg,
> Switzerland, Austria, Liechtenstein, Italy, San Marino, Vatican City,
> France, Monaco, Andorra, Spain, Ireland, Malta, Cyprus, and the United
> Kingdom where people have standards of living roughly (±50%) those of the
> average American. Two countries in western Europe, Greece and Portugal,
> cannot even boast that. In the rest of Europe, specifically, Russia,
> Ukraine, Belarus, Poland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Czech Republic,
> Slovak Republic, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, Moldova, Slovenia, Croatia,
> Serbia and Montenegro, Macedonia, Georgia, Armenia, and Albania. many
> countries have gross domestic products which, allowing for expenses that
> must be made for heating, insulated housing, and winter clothing, are in
> the same league with those of many developing countries. Some of the GDPs
> for Europe's worst basket cases, Albania, Bosnia, Serbia-Montenegro, and
> Macedonia, are not included here. According to the CIA World Book of facts
> for 1995 they were all below $1,000. The figures given below are taken
> from "The World in 1997", published by the *The Economist*. Its figures
> for the
> 
> Some statistics:
> Country           Population            GDP per capita
> Austria             8,100,000             $27,840
> Belgium            10,000,000             $26,380
> Denmark             5,260,000             $34,620
> Finland             5,100,000             $25,030
> France             58,600,000             $27,600
> 
> Germany            81,800,000             $30,300
> Greece             10,400,000             $11,900
> Ireland             3,600,000             $19,670
> Italy              57,100,000             $22,900
> Netherlands        15,700,000             $26,000
> 
> Norway              4,400,000             $35,710
> Portugal            9,900,000             $ 9,700
> Spain              39,400,000             $15,522
> Sweden              8,900,000             $29,209
> Switzerland         7,200,000             $42,350
> 
> United Kingdom     58,900,000             $20,900
> 
> Bulgaria            8,300,000             $ 1,450
> Czech Republic     10,300,000             $ 5,570
> Estonia             1,470,000             $ 2,360
> Hungary            10,200,000             $ 4,720
> Latvia              2,460,000             $ 2,660
> 
> Lithuania           3,720,000             $ 3,700
> Poland             38,700,000             $ 3,930
> Romania            22,600,000             $ 1,645
> Russia            148,000,000             $ 3,550
> Slovakia            5,400,000             $ 3,870
> 
> Ukraine            51,700,000             $ 1,160
> 
> 
> USA               268,700,000             $29,600
> Canada             30,600,000             $20,690
> Japan             126,300,000             $38,120
> 
> Nigeria           104,600,000             $   390
> South Africa       43,500,000             $ 3,130
> Zimbabwe           12,200,000             $   690
> 
> China           1,240,000,000             $   720
> Hong Kong           6,320,000             $27,130
> India             975,800,000             $   360
> Indonesia         203,300,000             $ 1,210
> Kazakhstan         16,600,000             $ 1,500
> Pakistan          136,800,000             $   520
> Singapore           3,100,000             $32,878
> South Korea        45,600,000             $11,910
> Vietnam            77,100,000             $   360
> 
> > But if the average black American were born in Africa he would be
> > eating bugs and shitting on the ground.
> 
> The statistics show that the GDP for the three big (not necessarily the
> most prospoerous) African economies is at approximately the same level as
> that of Eastern Europe when allowances are made for the fact that a
> considerable amount of income inEastern Europe must be spent on keeping
> warm.
> 
> The world economic system is not fair, and anyone who has visited a
> country like Estonia can tell you that the standard of living is not one
> tenth that of the United States, as the figures seem to indicate, nor is
> the standard of living in Nigeria, with its petrochemical industry,
> skyscrapers, and wealthy capital, Lagos, a hundredth of the American one.
> Your comparison is too facile and its underlying assumptions too
> incendiary to be of any real value.
> 
> We have spoken.
> 
> Eugene the Curly-headed
> King of alt.politics.white-power, Protector of our Aryan heritage,
> Defender of the English language, Scourge of racial purity, Nabob of
> Nordicity, Scholar of Scandinavianicity, etc. etc. etc.

	

	All you have proven is that Communism, where you Politically Correct
types get to run things, can make a disaster of any economy.  Unless the
whtie country is Communist, there is no overlap at all between white and
"developing" countries.
	With Communism gone, the trend for Eastern Europe is up.  The trend
throughout Africa is down.
	All you've proven is what we all already knew: socialism sucks.
	Can you say anything else?


From bwhit@conterra.com Sat Dec 28 11:17:13 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Subject: Re: Thomas Jefferson and miscegenation (was Re: More Facts Proving the Non-Existence of a "Pure White Race"
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Jim Walsh wrote:
> 
> In article <59ukbl$jgn@lex.zippo.com>, Ourobouros doubts the well documented
> history provided by Eugene Holman 
> 
> ::That's a nice story Mr. Holman, do you have anything to back it up, except
> ::Afrocentrism mythology?
> 
> The answer is that standard research by an objective person will find Mr.
> Holman's description of T. Jefferson to be remarkably accurate. For
> example, it is widely accepted that all of Jefferson's descendents who
> are alive in America today are descended from his intercourse with his women
> slaves. If you have not heard of this, or found it in your research, then you
> have not looked very hard, or studied very long.



	"Widely accepted" means absolutely nothing but that it is what
Poltically Correct people want to think.






> 
> Now, you will say again, to me this time, "What are your sources?". When you
> convince me by undertaking a minimum amount of work on your own that you are
> prepared for a serious study of this subject, then I will take the time to
> share my sources (none of which are private or difficult to find) with you.
> 
>      Love, Jim Walsh
> 
> [P.S. I sometimes correct spelling and
> grammar in quoted material without
> intending to modify the meaning.]


From bwhit@conterra.com Sat Dec 28 11:17:14 PST 1996
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Giovanni 8 wrote:
> 
> > dleonik@accesscomm.net (Dan Leonik) wrote:
> >> pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu (Philip Kasiecki) wrote:
> >> I challenge Brian to prove that a non-White environment is
> >> inherently crime-ridden.
> >
> > Duh.
> >
> > Why don't you shut off your computer, buy yourself some gas,
> > and drive down to your local "minority" area and mill about
> > for a spell.  I think you'll get the picture.
> 
> No gas necessary.  I'm already there.  We hadn't had many
> problems in the last 5 years, until last week.  3 burglaries
> in the complex, alone, I think on the 23rd.  Before 5 years ago,
> there were dozens of car thefts, at least half a dozen burglaries,
> a robbery right outside my door, 2 murders 2 blocks SE (boy-
> girl relations break-downs) and another about 4 blocks WNW.
> Just under 3 years ago, my father was murdered in an all white
> semi-rural area near the Indiana-Ohio state line.
> 
> But what you sugges does not constitute proof one way or the
> other regarding whether a "non-white" environment is *inherently*
> crime-ridden.  Just a few blocks S, a mostly white area, there
> are 110-200 rapes each year, and millions of robberies and
> extortions are committed in the virtually white environment
> of the US Congress.
> 
> "It took centuries of struggle & blood-shed to establish the
>  principle of a gov't of laws & not of men.  But, over the
>  past 35 years especially, the US Supreme Court has been
>  steadily moving us back in the opposite direction, with
>  judges issuing more & more orders simply because they happen
>  to feel 1 way rather than another.  Both the rule of law &
>  the rule of 'we the people' have been sacrificed to the
>  presumptions of the morally arrogant.  What we have been
>  witnessing over the past generation has been nothing less
>  than the slow but steady repeal of the American Revolution
>  that we continue to celebrate each 4th of July."
>  --- Thomas Sowell 1993 "Supreme Chutzpah"
>  _Is Reality Optional?_ pg 146
> 
> jgo



	OH, HORSESHIT!
	If it were all that nice, we wouldn't have to have laws banning all
white areas, and black, so-called "low-cost" housing at public expense
and busing to chase down escapee whites.


From bwhit@conterra.com Sat Dec 28 23:52:04 PST 1996
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Jenn Starkman wrote:
> 
> In article <5a1gee$i3m@sjx-ixn6.ix.netcom.com>,
>    america2@ix.netcom.com (Brad) wrote:
> 
> >WHITE JEWISH POWER!!!
> 
> Yeah, nice to see that you've climbed so high up the evolutionary ladder
> that even within the confines of a single, not particularly huge religion--and
> one that encourages tolerance at that--

	Not at all.   Rabbis cannot marry Jews and non-Jews.  The essential
"Jewish" position you are talking about is an opposition to all identity
which is not Jewish.  All non-Jews are equal.  That's not tolerance
except to the blindly Poltically Correct.



that you've managed to exclude all but
> one demographic.
> 
> What, non-white Jews aren't good enough for you?
> 
> Geez...if there's one thing I hate almost as much as an idiot racist, it's an
> idiot anti-racist who gets so gung-ho and overwrought that he doesn't think
> before he shouts crass slogans that would make the WP boys proud (you know,
> there is a faction of "white nationalists" who think that white-skinned Jews
> are good Aryans...).
> 
> Well intentioned ignorance is still ignorance.  Think before you shout.
> 
> Jenn


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Philip Kasiecki wrote:
> 
> In article ,
> Parker Beatley (civil@anet-stl.com) wrote:
> : In article <59ncmo$2rl@news.onramp.net>,
> : visigoth@on.net (Visigoth) wrote:
> : > In article <59mtn2$i91@chaos.dac.neu.edu>,
> : > pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu (Philip Kasiecki) wrote:
> : > >In article <59mipg$2ec@maw.montana.com>,
> : > > whitepride@mailmasher.com wrote:
> : > >:   My page could use some more work, but as a 15 year old high school
> : > >: student, I haven't to much time.             ^^^^^^^^^^^
> 
> : > >    That explains a *lot*.
> 
> (drivel snipped)
> 
> : Unfortunately, you are totally correct.
> 
>     No, he's dead wrong on a lot of what he said.
> 
> : Also, unfortunately, you will be castigated as a "racist" for being
> : audacious enough to tell the truth the way it really is.
> 
>     Nope.
>     Wrong.
>     Sorry.
>     For trying, you get the fool's cap.
>     He's a racist because he thinks I'm Black based on what I said, and
> because he throws blankets on people.  He tried to justify hatred, but
> did a piss-poor job at it.





	He will have to learn that it is impossible to tell the difference
between the writings of an anti-white black and an anti-white white.




> 
>         Phil "that does make it no different than other attempts at
> doing so, though" Kasiecki
> 
> --
> Philip T. Kasiecki
> Electrical and Computer Engineering
> Northeastern University Class of 1999
> 
> "The most dangerous kind of ignorance is the ignorance
> of the educated."   -Thomas Sowell, "Race and Culture"


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rafael cardenas wrote:
> 
> In article: <59tvub$3en@chaos.dac.neu.edu>  pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu
> (Philip Kasiecki) writes:
> 
> >
> >     I challenge Brian to provethat a non-White environment is inherently
> > crime-ridden.
> >
> >         Phil Kasiecki
> 
> He presumably hasn't studied Japanese crime rates.
> >
> --
> rafael cardenas huitlodayo
> Swarfmire College, Goscote, UK



	Japan is a country which has no diversity, and is therefore in
excellent shape.   So-called "diversity" is ONLY for white majority
countries and for ALL white majority countries.
	"Diversity" is the title of a program for the specific purpose of
eliminating white people people.


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william c anderson wrote:
> 
> Doc Tavish (tavish@phoenix.net) wrote:
> 
> : The reason , and the only reason, that what the Marxists did is not
> : talked about or memorialized by such "institutions" as Nizkook is the
> : fact that they would have to own up to the involvement of "elitist"
> : Jews.
> 
> The reason "Nizkook," specifically, does not much talk about or
> memorialize Communist attrocities is pretty much the same reason
> there's not much talk about billiards on the Planet Chess website.
> 
> It's pretty simple, really, Doc--see if you can't figure it out.
> 
> : I have been labeled a Nazi sympathizer but I must ask this pertinent
> : question: "If the Communist Party and Socialist Party are allowed free
> : rein and the "right" to exist then why would NSDAP be outlawed?
> 
> Where? 


	In every country outside the US.
	The ACLU caught hell from its members when it backed Nazis' right to
march IN the US.   They would have backed any Stalinist right to march.




 In the United States, Nazi parties are not illegal.  Nobody
> on this group has called for them to be outlawed.
> 
> Bill


From bwhit@conterra.com Sun Dec 29 13:57:19 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Subject: Re: Are these the rules of the game?
Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 12:09:01 -0500
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Gord McFee wrote:
> 
> In message <5a0t4o$j4t19@news.asiaonline.net> - brianbla@asiaonline.net (Brian
> Blank) writes:
> :>
> :>I guess, like most people, I have been reading the various posts here,
> :>trying to make sense of the things said.
> :>I now think that I in fact finally understand the way the thing works.
> :>As I understand it, there are basically two protaganists at work here.
> :>And the subject under discussion is "the holocaust, did it really
> :>exist?"
> :>That subject then gets changed over to a slightly different topic,
> :>that is, how bad was the holocaust, how many people were killed by the
> :>Nazis both prior to


	Stalin is a hell of a lot easier.   He didn't confuse us by confining
his massive slaughters to wartime, as the Nazis did.  He killed tens of
millions in peacetime.  The Nazis didn't even begin to do this until the
war started.
	Then, of course, the guys who sent people to the Gulags were sent to be
part of the Nuremburg Trials.  Then a lot of evil people doubted the
objectivity of the World War II generation.
	That is a major part of what alt.revisionism comes from.




 and during World War 2, and how many of these were
> :>Jews.
> :>That's easy, right?
> :>
> :>The opponents:
> :>Basically these consist of two groups. Those who say "the holocaust
> :>did not happen, and if it did (which it didn't of course), the numbers
> :>are wrong and even if they are right,. the bodies can't be counted and
> :>the evidence for the existence of the holocaust derives from survivors
> :>of the concentration camps, which did not exist anyway, and if they
> :>did were there for protection and nuture of the inhabitants, who were
> :>never there in the first place!"
> :>"Further, it is unfortunate that this holocaust, which never happened,
> :>did not kill enough Jews, homosexuals, gypsies, communists and all
> :>others who are different from me!"
> :>This group also claims that their opponents are liers. And that all
> :>Jews are liers and thieves. They of course are the only ones that tell
> :>the truth and they demonstrate that by hiding their identities under
> :>false names, yet still using the same sig. file under a variety of
> :>names because they assume that the readers are as stupid as they are
> :>and are unable to discerne the fact that one person may be posting
> :>under a variety of names.
> :>They also have a strange belief that the Jews control the media of the
> :>world and demonstrate this by referring to those who they say are
> :>Jewish and have control of the media. This list (on the Zundel Site)
> :>includes Robert Maxwell, who has been dead now, I think for about 3
> :>years. This alone tells the intelligent readers, i.e. the vast
> :>majority of the readers of this Newsgroup the veracity of the
> :>out-pourings spewed forth by this sad group of people.
> :>Another common feature of this group is their inability to comprehend
> :>and to write English, either in the American idiom or the
> :>British/Commonwealth usage.
> :>
> :>The other group however, posts their evidence logically, and in
> :>correct English and backs up what they are saying with appropriate
> :>research.
> :>
> :>So which one to believe?
> :>
> :>Not much of a contest is it?
> 
> Brian, I have left your entire post up there, because I found it to be so well
> written, that it deserved to be repeated.  Thank you for an excellent analysis
> of what goes on this cesspool we lovingly call alt.revisionism.
> 
> --
> Gord McFee
> I'll write no line before its time


From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Dec 30 10:42:45 PST 1996
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Subject: Re: Diversity is a fact of life; get used to it
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Chris Faatz wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
> : Philip Kasiecki wrote:
> : >
> : > In article <59qv38$217@is05.micron.net>,
> : > Brian Smith (sbrian@micron.net) wrote:
> : > : Once multiracialism runs its course the nation will be a cross between
> : > : India, Africa, and Mexico.
> : >
> : >     I challenge Brian to prove this.
> : >
> : > : I'd rather have my kids grow up in a safe, civilized, and progressive
> : > : White environment with low-crime than one of your beloved multiracial
> : > : filth-holes.
> : >
> : >     I challenge Brian to provethat a non-White environment is inherently
> : > crime-ridden.
> : >
> : >         Phil Kasiecki
> 
> :       Get out of your Politically Correct school environment and look around,
> : dumb-dumb.
> 
> Gee, what a brilliant and devastating intellectual comeback.
> 
> I second Phil's challenges.
> 
> C


	And I repeat my response.


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check wrote:
> 
> Brian Smith  wrote in article
> <5a6hmt$prt$1@news01a.micron.net>...
> > Which group of people tends to communicate, naturally bond, and get
> > along with each other better:
> >
> > 1)  a group of people of the same race, heritage, and language
> >
> > or
> >
> > 2)  a group of people of 10 different races, languages, and
> > backgrounds.
> >
>    or
> 
>    3)  a group of people who  see beyond race, heritage and language
> differences; who are smart enough to see that the barriers you mention are
> artificial.


		As I explain to each of you clones in turn, my problem with your
so-called "mixing" is that you are only interested in doing it in white
majority countries.  You demand massive third world immigration into
EVERY white majority country, and ONLY into white majority countries. 
You demand your so-called "race" mixing, which is actually only *white*
mixing, and you use public moneyt for busing and "low-cost"(black)
housing to chase down any white escapees.
	Your so-called solution to the race problem is always only the final
solution to the white problem. 
	Don't worry, I'll keep repeating this until each and every one of you
clones has
heard it.




> 
> > It is embarrassing the answer even has to be pointed out.
> 
> The simplistic stage of your reasoning capabilities is actually what is
> embarrassing.
> 
> Check


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Subject: Re: Doc on Das Kapital, Mein Kampf, Bolsheviks, Jews, and the NSDAP
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Chris Faatz wrote:
> 
> Damn it, I can't find Doc's original post. So it goes. Servers are a
> bear.
> 
> Anyway, let's see if I can reconstruct it--or, at least provide some
> perspectives--from memory.
> 
> Doc asks if the NSDAP wouldn't be immediately outlawed under a Communist
> or Socialist government.
> 
> For the former, in the US< at least at this stage in the CP's existence,
> the answer's "yes." Emphatically. But, the CP's changing dramatically,
> and one needs to wait before making sweeping assertions.
> 
> Of course, it's more than highly unlikely that the CPUSA will *ever*
> come to power, so it's rather a moot point, isn't it?
> 
> As to a Socialist government: As unlikely, at this point, as a Communist
> one. *However,* the experience of other democratic socialist parties in
> power--Labour in Britain, for example, or either the French or Spanish
> socialists--leads one to answer that it's highly unlikely that any but
> the most noxious and violence-prone organizations of the extreme right
> might be outlawed. For example, the BNP has never, to my knowledge, even
> been threatened in Britain.
> 
> Secondly: Communist vs Nazi atrocities. Doc, both Communism and National
> Socialism (and other fascistic movements) committed great and heinous
> crimes against humanity. The real difference is that the Nazis targetted
> specific ethnic groups for *elimination* in their thrust for a racially-
> pure world. Not just Jews, but Slavs and Gypsies to boot. The Stalinists
> were a bit more indiscriminate, using terror broadly to quell opposition.
> 
> Thirdly: the Bolsheviks were a Jewish front. Stupid assertion. While
> it's true that a high percentage of the Bolshevik leadership was Jewish,
> it was also staunchly anti-zionist and staunchly anti-what we might call
> today "identity politics" in terms of Judaism.


	I am glad to see that someone understands the importance of "identity
politics".	
The problem with Jewish identity politics is that it is exclusive: no
one else is to be allowed to have an identity EXCEPT Jews.  Jews condemn
all forms of  identity and insist everybody respect their own.
	Lenin ran into this.  He wold have huge numbers of Jews approving of
all his condemnations of all patriotism and racism.  Then they would
show up as the "Jewish Marxists", with their own meetings, etc.   It
just did not occur to them that they were included in this identity
prohibition.
	This is not pure, unmitigated evil.  Jews hate others' identity
because, historically, they were strangers in others' lands, and when
the locals drew together, it tended to exclude the Jews.  But  this
attitude today poisons Jewish relations with everybody else.
	The Jewish attitude towards whites is aimed entirely at Adolf Hitler. 
They use antisemitism as an excuse to demand massive third world
immigration into and integration in ALL white countries and ONLY into
white majority countries.  This is justified ont he basis of the
Holocaust.   Anybody who questions this program is A Nazi Who Wants To
Kill Six Million Jews. 
	This is the truth behind what the Doc is saying, and everybody who is
not Poltically Correct knows it, and everybody is afraid to say it.  
Fear makes hate.   But you can't get rid of the hate until you get rid
of the oppressive Politically Correct attitudes that give it
justification. 








 Trotsky is a consummate
> case in point.
> 
> Also: under Stalin, repeated purges denuded the Party of the majority of
> its Jewish members. And, in the fifties a systematic pogrom (if I may
> use that word) was carried out against Jews in the USSR, especially
> Jewish professionals. Hardly the actions of a Jewish front. Read your
> history from somewhere other than the Journal for Historical Review,
> the Spotlight, or the Barnes Review--you might learn something.
> 
> Lastly: why isn't _Mein Kampf_ taught alongside _Das Kapital_ in colleges
> and universities? Is it part of a conspiracy? Of course not. The
> difference in the two books is phenomenal. _DK_ tries to present a
> systematic view of the development of a capitalist economic system in
> one country and internationally. It's a majestic, if flawed, work of
> scholarship and writing, with ramifications far and beyond a certain
> small group. It is, even with its flaws, something of *universal*
> meaning and relevance, much as Burke or Paine on the inherent meaning and
> consequences of the French Revolution, Confucius
> on order, or Jefferson on liberty.
> 
> _MK_, otoh, is a mish-mash of racialist mysticism, scapegoat bashing,
> unfounded assertions as to the superiority of "Aryan" Germans over other
> races, and wild rationales for a militaristic foreign policy of ethnic
> cleansing. It's a historically specific document, poorly written (much
> like _Imperium_, or Carto's _Profiles in Populism_, or _The Turner
> Diaries_, or virtually any other white racialist meanderings), poorly
> documented, and of historical interest alone. Not a "universal," as in the
> cases above.
> 
> As for your standing on the Eastern Front: don't forget your jacket. YOu
> could catch a nasty cold out there....
> 
> C


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renman wrote:
> 
> Brian Smith wrote:
> >
> > Which group of people tends to communicate, naturally bond, and get
> > along with each other better:
> > 1)  a group of people of the same race, heritage, and language
> > or
> > 2)  a group of people of 10 different races, languages, and
> > backgrounds.
> > It is embarrassing the answer even has to be pointed out.
> >
> > Brian Smith
> > www.natall.com
> 
> Except for language, I'd say neither.
> 
> It doesn't matter what the ethnic make-up of any group is.  Human nature
> is such that even in a homogenous society, people can find ways to draw
> lines of division amongst themselves.  Thus we have dove vs hawk,
> republican vs democrat, blonde vs brunette.  There's always conflict and
> strife, regardless of the number of different cultures, backgrounds and
> languages that co-exist together.
> 
> Also, I've never heard of any nation that is "a group of people of the
> same race, heritage, and language."  Within individual countries are a
> variety of differing heritages and language dialects.  Race is a
> non-factor, because all humans are of the same race.  Of course, there
> are definitely genetic and naturally bred differences between people...
> 
> But we're all one race.
> 
>  -- renman
> <>  -<>    ><>     ><)>    >      >>         >>
> the  advance  of  technology   is  evolution  at  work...




	As I explain to each of you clones in turn, my problem with your
so-called
"mixing" is that you are only interested in doing it in white majority
countries.  You
demand massive third world immigration into EVERY white majority
country, and ONLY
into white majority countries.  You demand your so-called "race" mixing,
which is 
actually only *white* mixing, and you use public moneyt for busing and
"low-cost"(black)
housing to chase down any white escapees.
	Your so-called solution to the race problem is always only the final
solution to the white problem. 
	Don't worry, I'll keep repeating this until each and every one of you
clones has
heard it.


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Eugene Holman wrote:
> 
> In article <59vh9q$ji4@transend.com.tw>, jimwalsh@transend.com.tw (James
> E. Walsh) wrote:
> 
> > Parker Beatley (civil@anet-stl.com) wrote:
> > : Let's face it. Nothing that blacks have done anywhere in the world is
> > : impressive.
> >
> > Let's face it, since you are unable to define the term "Blacks" there is
> > no way to test your hypothesis. BTW, was Tom Jefferson "White"? How about
> > his children? Incidentally, are Jews "White"? What would happen if we
> > removed "Jewish"  inventions? How about Arabs? How about Dr. Ho (the
> > Taiwan born doctor that was on the cover of TIME Mag)? Is he "White"? How
> > about Jesus? Was he "White"? (BTW, Jesus was a Jew.)
> >
> 
> It seems to us people were *mighty impressed* by Babe Ruth's 714 home run
> record. How many did Hank Aaron hit?
> 
> It seems to us that people were *mighty impressed* by the singing style
> and songs of Elvis Presley and Janis Joplin. Where did they come from?
> 
> It seems to us that people were *mighty impressed* by the strength of
> character and statesmanship that have allowed Nelson Mandela to stick by
> his principles, endure more than twenty years of imprisonment, and then
> successfully lead his country to the transition to majority rule. Have you
> ever heard of him?
> 
> We have spoken.
> 
> Eugene the Curly-headed
> King of alt.politics.white-power, Protector of our Aryan heritage,
> Defender of the English language, Scourge of racial purity, Nabob of
> Nordicity, Scholar of Scandinavianicity, etc. etc. etc.



		As I explain to each of you clones in turn, my problem with your
so-called "mixing" is that you are only interested in doing it in white
majority countries.  You demand massive third world immigration into
EVERY white majority country, and ONLY into white majority countries. 
You demand your so-called "race" mixing, which is actually only *white*
mixing, and you use public moneyt for busing and "low-cost"(black)
housing to chase down any white excapees.
	Your so-called solution to the race problem is always only the final
solution to the white problem. 
	Don't worry, I'll keep repeating this until each and every one of you
clones has
heard it.


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Jim Walsh wrote:
> 
> What group of people found creative ways to prevent deaths from AIDS? Answer:
> a diverse group of researchers from every society, "race", culture and
> language group on this planet. It is embarrassing that Brian Smith doesn't
> know that.
> 
>      Love, Jim Walsh
> 
> [P.S. I sometimes correct spelling and
> grammar in quoted material without
> intending to modify the meaning.]


	Actually, the disinformation program on AIDS has been called the first
time Political Correctness actualy KILLED people.
	It isn't, of course.


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Joel Rosenberg wrote:
> 
> In article <5a6h9k$pq4$1@news01a.micron.net> sbrian@micron.net (Brian Smith) writes:
> 
> >joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) wrote:
> 
> >>In article <59r0bl$2m2@is05.micron.net> sbrian@micron.net (Brian Smith) writes:
> >>>I'm not going to
> >>>destroy my gene pool ...
> 
> >>Don't worry about such small change.
> 
> >"Joel Rosenberg."
> 
> >I bet he'd flip his yarmulke if Jewish people were being destroyed.
> 
> Yeah, but your "gene pool" ain't the Jewish people.  Your "gene pool" is small
> change.
> 
> And your mother dresses you funny.



	Rosenburg has stated flatly that he does in fact use his being Jewish
for Political Correctness.
	He's just one more nasty little bastard.



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