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From: bob whitaker 
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Redneck -- N.: Term used by liberals to describe any white man 
with balls.



From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Aug  5 07:42:02 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
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Subject: ISN'T WHITE SELF-SACRIFICE A FORM OF WHITE SUPREMACY?
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   I lived int he old world of segregation, modern academe, and 
in Washington, DC, and I detect a similarity of thought toward 
non-whites between modern liberals and old racists.   Liberals 
like to say we are basically a racist society, but any true 
examination of thaqt fact will set them screaming.
    We expect non-whites to be "racist".   We do not expect 
Japan or Singapore to throw open their borders, but every white 
majority country, and only white m,ajority countries, are 
expected to.  Note that that is a 100% rule: EVERY majority 
white country must become "multiracial", but no one of any 
other race, rich or poor, is expected to do that.
    It reminds me of what Winston Churchill's grandmother told 
his American mother.  She showed her some poor whites, and said 
"They are white people just like us" but they were poor.  The 
White Man's Burden comes to mind.
     In the same vein, it is the racist "white trash" that 
makes liberals foam at the mouth.  Poor blacks are supposed to 
hate whites, but whites are assumed, at a ;level far below the 
conscious, to be too good for that sort of thing.
      Whites,a nd only whites, are expected to demand the 
sacrificew of their own race.   The depth of this racism is 
shown by the fact that we all know very well that the only 
country we are going to be really upset at for keepiong people 
out, like Australia, will always have one chraracterisitic we 
do not name, but we assume: it will be a white majority 
country.  When informed of this liberals and libertarians say, 
well, some people somewhere have criticized Japan for holding 
its borders, but the fact is no one takes swuch criticism 
seriously.
     We expect every non-white immigrant to be a lobbyist for 
his own race to pour into the country,
     The fact is that for every lynching in the past, there hve 
been a dozen murders if whites by non-whites.  But this is not 
equivalent.  Whites should not be doing that kind of thing, to 
our white minds, liberal or conservative.
 



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From: bob whitaker 
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Subject: ISN'T WHITE SELF-SACRIFICE A FORM OF WHITE SUPREMACY?
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   I lived int he old world of segregation, modern academe, and 
in Washington, DC, and I detect a similarity of thought toward 
non-whites between modern liberals and old racists.   Liberals 
like to say we are basically a racist society, but any true 
examination of thaqt fact will set them screaming.
    We expect non-whites to be "racist".   We do not expect 
Japan or Singapore to throw open their borders, but every white 
majority country, and only white m,ajority countries, are 
expected to.  Note that that is a 100% rule: EVERY majority 
white country must become "multiracial", but no one of any 
other race, rich or poor, is expected to do that.
    It reminds me of what Winston Churchill's grandmother told 
his American mother.  She showed her some poor whites, and said 
"They are white people just like us" but they were poor.  The 
White Man's Burden comes to mind.
     In the same vein, it is the racist "white trash" that 
makes liberals foam at the mouth.  Poor blacks are supposed to 
hate whites, but whites are assumed, at a ;level far below the 
conscious, to be too good for that sort of thing.
      Whites,a nd only whites, are expected to demand the 
sacrificew of their own race.   The depth of this racism is 
shown by the fact that we all know very well that the only 
country we are going to be really upset at for keepiong people 
out, like Australia, will always have one chraracterisitic we 
do not name, but we assume: it will be a white majority 
country.  When informed of this liberals and libertarians say, 
well, some people somewhere have criticized Japan for holding 
its borders, but the fact is no one takes swuch criticism 
seriously.
     We expect every non-white immigrant to be a lobbyist for 
his own race to pour into the country,
     The fact is that for every lynching in the past, there hve 
been a dozen murders if whites by non-whites.  But this is not 
equivalent.  Whites should not be doing that kind of thing, to 
our white minds, liberal or conservative.
 



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From: bob whitaker 
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    I am glad to see that Australian whites are starting to get 
the shit kicked out of them by the nonwhites they were stupid 
enough to import.   They saw how violent our multiracial 
society was, but they obediently decided they just had to be 
multiracial, too.
     In this world, you gets what you asks for.



From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Aug  5 12:00:07 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
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Subject: ISN'T WHITE SELF-SACRIFICE A FORM OF WHITE SUPREMACY?
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   I lived int he old world of segregation, modern academe, and 
in Washington, DC, and I detect a similarity of thought toward 
non-whites between modern liberals and old racists.   Liberals 
like to say we are basically a racist society, but any true 
examination of thaqt fact will set them screaming.
    We expect non-whites to be "racist".   We do not expect 
Japan or Singapore to throw open their borders, but every white 
majority country, and only white m,ajority countries, are 
expected to.  Note that that is a 100% rule: EVERY majority 
white country must become "multiracial", but no one of any 
other race, rich or poor, is expected to do that.
    It reminds me of what Winston Churchill's grandmother told 
his American mother.  She showed her some poor whites, and said 
"They are white people just like us" but they were poor.  The 
White Man's Burden comes to mind.
     In the same vein, it is the racist "white trash" that 
makes liberals foam at the mouth.  Poor blacks are supposed to 
hate whites, but whites are assumed, at a ;level far below the 
conscious, to be too good for that sort of thing.
      Whites,a nd only whites, are expected to demand the 
sacrificew of their own race.   The depth of this racism is 
shown by the fact that we all know very well that the only 
country we are going to be really upset at for keepiong people 
out, like Australia, will always have one chraracterisitic we 
do not name, but we assume: it will be a white majority 
country.  When informed of this liberals and libertarians say, 
well, some people somewhere have criticized Japan for holding 
its borders, but the fact is no one takes swuch criticism 
seriously.
     We expect every non-white immigrant to be a lobbyist for 
his own race to pour into the country,
     The fact is that for every lynching in the past, there hve 
been a dozen murders if whites by non-whites.  But this is not 
equivalent.  Whites should not be doing that kind of thing, to 
our white minds, liberal or conservative.
 



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From: bob whitaker 
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Subject: ISN'T WHITE SELF-SACRIFICE A FORM OF WHITE SUPREMACY?
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   I lived int he old world of segregation, modern academe, and 
in Washington, DC, and I detect a similarity of thought toward 
non-whites between modern liberals and old racists.   Liberals 
like to say we are basically a racist society, but any true 
examination of thaqt fact will set them screaming.
    We expect non-whites to be "racist".   We do not expect 
Japan or Singapore to throw open their borders, but every white 
majority country, and only white m,ajority countries, are 
expected to.  Note that that is a 100% rule: EVERY majority 
white country must become "multiracial", but no one of any 
other race, rich or poor, is expected to do that.
    It reminds me of what Winston Churchill's grandmother told 
his American mother.  She showed her some poor whites, and said 
"They are white people just like us" but they were poor.  The 
White Man's Burden comes to mind.
     In the same vein, it is the racist "white trash" that 
makes liberals foam at the mouth.  Poor blacks are supposed to 
hate whites, but whites are assumed, at a ;level far below the 
conscious, to be too good for that sort of thing.
      Whites,a nd only whites, are expected to demand the 
sacrificew of their own race.   The depth of this racism is 
shown by the fact that we all know very well that the only 
country we are going to be really upset at for keepiong people 
out, like Australia, will always have one chraracterisitic we 
do not name, but we assume: it will be a white majority 
country.  When informed of this liberals and libertarians say, 
well, some people somewhere have criticized Japan for holding 
its borders, but the fact is no one takes swuch criticism 
seriously.
     We expect every non-white immigrant to be a lobbyist for 
his own race to pour into the country,
     The fact is that for every lynching in the past, there hve 
been a dozen murders if whites by non-whites.  But this is not 
equivalent.  Whites should not be doing that kind of thing, to 
our white minds, liberal or conservative.
 



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From: bob whitaker 
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    I am glad to see that Australian whites are starting to get 
the shit kicked out of them by the nonwhites they were stupid 
enough to import.   They saw how violent our multiracial 
society was, but they obediently decided they just had to be 
multiracial, too.
     In this world, you gets what you asks for.



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    I am glad to see that Australian whites are starting to get 
the shit kicked out of them by the nonwhites they were stupid 
enough to import.   They saw how violent our multiracial 
society was, but they obediently decided they just had to be 
multiracial, too.
     In this world, you gets what you asks for.



From bwhit@conterra.com Tue Aug  6 08:45:55 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
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Subject: Re: You Can _Never_ Have Too Much Diversity (ADV)
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   The only countries anybody talks about making "diverse" are 
white-majority countries.  The aim is to get rid of whitey, aka 
genocide, and in the process to replace all those diverse 
nations with a uniform melting pot.
    Some diversity!



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evil Beavis  wrote:
>bob whitaker wrote:
>> 
>>    The only countries anybody talks about making "diverse" are
>> white-majority countries.  The aim is to get rid of whitey, aka
>> genocide, and in the process to replace all those diverse
>> nations with a uniform melting pot.
>>     Some diversity!
>
>This is the same kind of drivel you posted months ago Bob. Can't you do
>any better or something new??!
>
>eB


   And nobody ever answers it.  You said : 1) that there was no 
evidence non-whites were pouring into white countries and then, 
later, forgetting that, you pointed out that Sweden in only a 
decade or two is already ten percent immigrant,and they keep 
pouring in and their birth rate is huge.
    Note the only replies I have had this far are like 
Kascieki, "My Mommy Professor says that's not true, you evil 
thing!"
    To repeat, this sort ofself-contradiction  and political 
Correctness go over big when they are protested from 
contradiction under the uiniversity protection of Political 
Correctness and Mommy Profesor, but this is the Internet.



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pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu (Philip Kasiecki) wrote:
>bob whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
>: evil Beavis  wrote:
>: >bob whitaker wrote:
>: >>    The only countries anybody talks about making "diverse" are
>: >> white-majority countries.  The aim is to get rid of whitey, aka
>: >> genocide, and in the process to replace all those diverse
>: >> nations with a uniform melting pot.
>: >>     Some diversity!
>
>: >This is the same kind of drivel you posted months ago Bob. Can't you
>: >do any better or something new??!
>
>:    And nobody ever answers it.  You said : 1) that there was no 
>: evidence non-whites were pouring into white countries and then, 
>: later, forgetting that, you pointed out that Sweden in only a 
>: decade or two is already ten percent immigrant, and they keep 
>: pouring in and their birth rate is huge.
>
>    What does that prove?
>
>:     Note the only replies I have had this far are like Kascieki, 
>: "My Mommy Professor says that's not true, you evil thing!"
>
>    First off, my last name is spelled Kasiecki.  Who are you, Dan
>Quayle's brother? (nah, I shouldn't insult Quayle like that...)  Second,
>I have *never* said anything like what you suggest.  I speak from *MY*
>experience.  Third, I'll bet the reason you don't get many replies to
>your posts is because enough people see your posts for what they are
>(read: useless drivel) and don't feel the need to respond to you.
>
>:     To repeat, this sort ofself-contradiction and political 
>: Correctness go over big when they are protested from 
>: contradiction under the uiniversity protection of Political 
>: Correctness and Mommy Profesor, but this is the Internet.
>
>    WTFE.
>
>        Phil "yeah, this is the Internet, but I'm the same as I am in
>person, though a tad less abrasive" Kasiecki
>
>--
>Philip T. Kasiecki
>Electrical and Computer Engineering
>Northeastern University Class of 1999


     I miss the black guy who answered me by saying, among 
other things, that he had a white wife and a blue car.  He was 
just as irrelavant to the point as your comments, but much more 
entertaining.
      You are not only Politically Correct, you are actually 
prissy about it.



From bwhit@conterra.com Wed Aug  7 13:26:50 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: You Can _Never_ Have Too Much Diversity (ADV)
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evil Beavis  wrote:
>bob whitaker wrote:
>
>> >This is the same kind of drivel you posted months ago Bob. Can't you do
>> >any better or something new??!
>> >
>> >eB
>> 
>>    And nobody ever answers it.  You said : 1) that there was no
>> evidence non-whites were pouring into white countries 




>
>Where did I say this? You should quit lying and putting false words into
>other people's mouths Bob. Of course I know that many non-whites
>immigrate into majority white countries. 

As always, when you people get called on your bald-faced 
assertions, you deny them.   When I stated colored were pouring 
into white-majority countries, you repeatedly put up the usual 
cry of "Give me a reference on that!"
    Of course everybody knows this, and it was silly as hell 
for you to keep screaming it wasn't true and i had to prove it. 
Now you not only admit it, you say you never said otherwise.   
     Typical.



I just don't see a problem in
>general with that.
>
>and then,
>> later, forgetting that, you pointed out that Sweden in only a
>> decade or two is already ten percent immigrant,and they keep
>> pouring in and their birth rate is huge.
 
>You're making statements up again Bob. When did I comment on immigrant
>birthrates in Sweden?? 


   The next thing you will be denying will be that you ever 
denied that the birthrate of immigrants is huge.  For a couple 
of decades, there have been regular articles on the huge 
percentage of births in European hospitals are those of 
immigrants.   Europeans countries have repeatedly been very 
concerned about low birthrates of their own people.



Please provide the post. I have, however, noted
>that Sweden has seen a great influx of immigrants since WWII and
>especially since the 1970's. It is starting to decrease today though.
>
>
>>     Note the only replies I have had this far are like
>> Kascieki, "My Mommy Professor says that's not true, you evil
>> thing!"
>>     To repeat, this sort ofself-contradiction  and political
>> Correctness go over big when they are protested from
>> contradiction under the uiniversity protection of Political
>> Correctness and Mommy Profesor, but this is the Internet.
>
>I have not much use for Political Correctness either. I just don;t
>believe being racist, hypocritical, and hateful is any better. How about
>truthful and rational?
>
>eB


    Yeah, right.



From bwhit@conterra.com Wed Aug  7 13:50:30 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: You Can _Never_ Have Too Much Diversity (ADV)
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evil Beavis  wrote:
>bob whitaker wrote:
>> 
>>    The only countries anybody talks about making "diverse" are
>> white-majority countries.  The aim is to get rid of whitey, aka
>> genocide, and in the process to replace all those diverse
>> nations with a uniform melting pot.
>>     Some diversity!
>
>This is the same kind of drivel you posted months ago Bob. Can't you do
>any better or something new??!
>
>eB


   And nobody ever answers it.  You said : 1) that there was no 
evidence non-whites were pouring into white countries and then, 
later, forgetting that, you pointed out that Sweden in only a 
decade or two is already ten percent immigrant,and they keep 
pouring in and their birth rate is huge.
    Note the only replies I have had this far are like 
Kascieki, "My Mommy Professor says that's not true, you evil 
thing!"
    To repeat, this sort ofself-contradiction  and political 
Correctness go over big when they are protested from 
contradiction under the uiniversity protection of Political 
Correctness and Mommy Profesor, but this is the Internet.



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pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu (Philip Kasiecki) wrote:
>bob whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
>: evil Beavis  wrote:
>: >bob whitaker wrote:
>: >>    The only countries anybody talks about making "diverse" are
>: >> white-majority countries.  The aim is to get rid of whitey, aka
>: >> genocide, and in the process to replace all those diverse
>: >> nations with a uniform melting pot.
>: >>     Some diversity!
>
>: >This is the same kind of drivel you posted months ago Bob. Can't you
>: >do any better or something new??!
>
>:    And nobody ever answers it.  You said : 1) that there was no 
>: evidence non-whites were pouring into white countries and then, 
>: later, forgetting that, you pointed out that Sweden in only a 
>: decade or two is already ten percent immigrant, and they keep 
>: pouring in and their birth rate is huge.
>
>    What does that prove?
>
>:     Note the only replies I have had this far are like Kascieki, 
>: "My Mommy Professor says that's not true, you evil thing!"
>
>    First off, my last name is spelled Kasiecki.  Who are you, Dan
>Quayle's brother? (nah, I shouldn't insult Quayle like that...)  Second,
>I have *never* said anything like what you suggest.  I speak from *MY*
>experience.  Third, I'll bet the reason you don't get many replies to
>your posts is because enough people see your posts for what they are
>(read: useless drivel) and don't feel the need to respond to you.
>
>:     To repeat, this sort ofself-contradiction and political 
>: Correctness go over big when they are protested from 
>: contradiction under the uiniversity protection of Political 
>: Correctness and Mommy Profesor, but this is the Internet.
>
>    WTFE.
>
>        Phil "yeah, this is the Internet, but I'm the same as I am in
>person, though a tad less abrasive" Kasiecki
>
>--
>Philip T. Kasiecki
>Electrical and Computer Engineering
>Northeastern University Class of 1999


     I miss the black guy who answered me by saying, among 
other things, that he had a white wife and a blue car.  He was 
just as irrelavant to the point as your comments, but much more 
entertaining.
      You are not only Politically Correct, you are actually 
prissy about it.



From bwhit@conterra.com Wed Aug  7 13:50:33 PDT 1996
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evil Beavis  wrote:
>bob whitaker wrote:
>
>> >This is the same kind of drivel you posted months ago Bob. Can't you do
>> >any better or something new??!
>> >
>> >eB
>> 
>>    And nobody ever answers it.  You said : 1) that there was no
>> evidence non-whites were pouring into white countries 




>
>Where did I say this? You should quit lying and putting false words into
>other people's mouths Bob. Of course I know that many non-whites
>immigrate into majority white countries. 

As always, when you people get called on your bald-faced 
assertions, you deny them.   When I stated colored were pouring 
into white-majority countries, you repeatedly put up the usual 
cry of "Give me a reference on that!"
    Of course everybody knows this, and it was silly as hell 
for you to keep screaming it wasn't true and i had to prove it. 
Now you not only admit it, you say you never said otherwise.   
     Typical.



I just don't see a problem in
>general with that.
>
>and then,
>> later, forgetting that, you pointed out that Sweden in only a
>> decade or two is already ten percent immigrant,and they keep
>> pouring in and their birth rate is huge.
 
>You're making statements up again Bob. When did I comment on immigrant
>birthrates in Sweden?? 


   The next thing you will be denying will be that you ever 
denied that the birthrate of immigrants is huge.  For a couple 
of decades, there have been regular articles on the huge 
percentage of births in European hospitals are those of 
immigrants.   Europeans countries have repeatedly been very 
concerned about low birthrates of their own people.



Please provide the post. I have, however, noted
>that Sweden has seen a great influx of immigrants since WWII and
>especially since the 1970's. It is starting to decrease today though.
>
>
>>     Note the only replies I have had this far are like
>> Kascieki, "My Mommy Professor says that's not true, you evil
>> thing!"
>>     To repeat, this sort ofself-contradiction  and political
>> Correctness go over big when they are protested from
>> contradiction under the uiniversity protection of Political
>> Correctness and Mommy Profesor, but this is the Internet.
>
>I have not much use for Political Correctness either. I just don;t
>believe being racist, hypocritical, and hateful is any better. How about
>truthful and rational?
>
>eB


    Yeah, right.



From bwhit@conterra.com Wed Aug  7 14:01:15 PDT 1996
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evil Beavis  wrote:
>bob whitaker wrote:
>> 
>>    The only countries anybody talks about making "diverse" are
>> white-majority countries.  The aim is to get rid of whitey, aka
>> genocide, and in the process to replace all those diverse
>> nations with a uniform melting pot.
>>     Some diversity!
>
>This is the same kind of drivel you posted months ago Bob. Can't you do
>any better or something new??!
>
>eB


   And nobody ever answers it.  You said : 1) that there was no 
evidence non-whites were pouring into white countries and then, 
later, forgetting that, you pointed out that Sweden in only a 
decade or two is already ten percent immigrant,and they keep 
pouring in and their birth rate is huge.
    Note the only replies I have had this far are like 
Kascieki, "My Mommy Professor says that's not true, you evil 
thing!"
    To repeat, this sort ofself-contradiction  and political 
Correctness go over big when they are protested from 
contradiction under the uiniversity protection of Political 
Correctness and Mommy Profesor, but this is the Internet.



From bwhit@conterra.com Wed Aug  7 14:01:17 PDT 1996
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pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu (Philip Kasiecki) wrote:
>bob whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
>: evil Beavis  wrote:
>: >bob whitaker wrote:
>: >>    The only countries anybody talks about making "diverse" are
>: >> white-majority countries.  The aim is to get rid of whitey, aka
>: >> genocide, and in the process to replace all those diverse
>: >> nations with a uniform melting pot.
>: >>     Some diversity!
>
>: >This is the same kind of drivel you posted months ago Bob. Can't you
>: >do any better or something new??!
>
>:    And nobody ever answers it.  You said : 1) that there was no 
>: evidence non-whites were pouring into white countries and then, 
>: later, forgetting that, you pointed out that Sweden in only a 
>: decade or two is already ten percent immigrant, and they keep 
>: pouring in and their birth rate is huge.
>
>    What does that prove?
>
>:     Note the only replies I have had this far are like Kascieki, 
>: "My Mommy Professor says that's not true, you evil thing!"
>
>    First off, my last name is spelled Kasiecki.  Who are you, Dan
>Quayle's brother? (nah, I shouldn't insult Quayle like that...)  Second,
>I have *never* said anything like what you suggest.  I speak from *MY*
>experience.  Third, I'll bet the reason you don't get many replies to
>your posts is because enough people see your posts for what they are
>(read: useless drivel) and don't feel the need to respond to you.
>
>:     To repeat, this sort ofself-contradiction and political 
>: Correctness go over big when they are protested from 
>: contradiction under the uiniversity protection of Political 
>: Correctness and Mommy Profesor, but this is the Internet.
>
>    WTFE.
>
>        Phil "yeah, this is the Internet, but I'm the same as I am in
>person, though a tad less abrasive" Kasiecki
>
>--
>Philip T. Kasiecki
>Electrical and Computer Engineering
>Northeastern University Class of 1999


     I miss the black guy who answered me by saying, among 
other things, that he had a white wife and a blue car.  He was 
just as irrelavant to the point as your comments, but much more 
entertaining.
      You are not only Politically Correct, you are actually 
prissy about it.



From bwhit@conterra.com Wed Aug  7 14:01:22 PDT 1996
Article: 38417 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bob whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Re: ISN'T WHITE SELF-SACRIFICE A FORM OF WHITE SUPREMACY?
Date: 7 Aug 1996 02:50:51 GMT
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jeff_brown@pol.com (Jeffrey G. Brown) wrote:
>In article <3207B2E5.1711@ix.netcom.com>, Kevin Alfred Strom
> wrote:
>
>> You didn't read it. It states "screaming leftists" greeted Grampa Fidel.
>
>So it does. I was under the impression, however, that we were discussing
>'liberals'. I do not accept the equivalence of the labels "liberal' and
>'leftist'.
>
>> Every file cited has at least one screaming leftist, liberal, or member 
>> of the Clinton family in it. Isn't the 'Net fun?
>
>However, not every file is factual. 
>
>> Are you actually serious about trying to debunk the claim that liberals 
>> sometimes scream? Don't you have a sense of humor -- or isn't that in 
>> your coding? Geez...!
>
>The claim was made -- apparently in all seriousness. Why, precisely,
>should the claimant be let off the hook?
>
>> Watch Jeffrey continue to seriously check each link for documented proof 
>> that liberals scream. Watch Jeffrey debunk the evil racist lie that 
>> liberals sometimes scream. Watch Jeffrey...
>
>Watch Strom use fiction and off-color jokes as "documented proof"...
>
>[...deletia...]
>
>> > Two more assertions. When will you tumble to the fact that unsupported
>> > assertions cannot be supported by more unsupported assertions?
>> > 
>> 
>> Now, if I were like the jg-brown-bot I would immediately respond by 
>> demanding:
>> 
>> "References, Brown. Quotes. Provide proof of your assertion about 
>> assertions! Or slink back to the hole or wherever you anti-racists were 
>> spawned in. Coward." Have I got it about right?
>
>Are you suggesting that it is valid for you to support unsupported
>assertions by making more unsupported assertions?
>
>> Anyone reasonably conversant with world affairs, who reads a few 
>> newspapers from around the country and occasionally overseas, and who has 
>> access to the wire services and the BBC or the equivalent, is well aware 
>> that the multiracial paradigm is accepted by all major Western 
>> governments and media outlets today, though that acceptance may differ 
>> in degree. He is also aware that no Western nation today, unless you 
>> count Israel as a Western nation, has racial qualifications for 
>> citizenship or residency. It is ridiculous to demand proof of this.
>
>Ah, the "everybody knows..." fallacy, better known as "appeal to belief".
>It must be true, because everybody believes it to be true. Therefore, you
>need supply no evidence.
>
>Neat, but totally invalid.
>
>> > > A far better question, Mr. Brown: Since you deny that _anyone_ actually
>> > > believes that every majority-White country should become multiracial,...
>> > 
>> > I did? Where? Quote me, please.
>> 
>> Sure, in message  you 
>> stated (and even quoted it yourself above):
>> 
>> "Specify who it is, exactly, that says 'EVERY majority white country must
>> become "multiracial"'. Quote us some quotes. Cite us some proof. I smell
>> the distinct aroma of straw man."
>> 
>> By using the phrase "straw man" to Mr. Whitaker, you implied that he was 
>> setting up a fictitious liberal position, easy to shoot down but actually 
>> held by no one. That is the common meaning of the phrase "straw man."
>> 
>> You state that the position that 'EVERY majority white country must
>> become "multiracial"' is a straw man created by Whitaker. Therefore you 
>> demanded proof that anyone has ever said such a thing. If you need proof 
>> of that, then _obviously_ you must not hold such a position yourself.
>
>Nope. It means I doubt "that anyone has ever said such a thing". No more,
>no less. Your 'implications' and your surmises of what must be going
>through my mind are your creations.   
>
>> It is quite reasonable, then, to ask you:
>> 
>> 1) Do you hold the position that all majority-White countries must be 
>> multiracial?
>
>Nope. I hold the position that a sovereign country is should manage its
>own affairs.
>
>> 2) If you do not hold that position, then please list the majority-White 
>> countries which, in your view, need not be multiracial?
>
>Not my decision. The countries in question are competent to determine
>their own immigration policy. They do not need my help -- nor do they need
>yours.

HORSESHIT!  If any white country didn't let colored pour in, 
you'd shriek like a stabbed pig.  Only when you are called on 
it do you suddenly start denying it.


>
>JGB
>
>=====================================================================
>Jeffrey G. Brown                                   jeff_brown@pol.com
> "What's going to happen?"   "Something wonderful..."   -- '2010'




From bwhit@conterra.com Wed Aug  7 14:01:23 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
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Subject: Re: You Can _Never_ Have Too Much Diversity (ADV)
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evil Beavis  wrote:
>bob whitaker wrote:
>
>> >This is the same kind of drivel you posted months ago Bob. Can't you do
>> >any better or something new??!
>> >
>> >eB
>> 
>>    And nobody ever answers it.  You said : 1) that there was no
>> evidence non-whites were pouring into white countries 




>
>Where did I say this? You should quit lying and putting false words into
>other people's mouths Bob. Of course I know that many non-whites
>immigrate into majority white countries. 

As always, when you people get called on your bald-faced 
assertions, you deny them.   When I stated colored were pouring 
into white-majority countries, you repeatedly put up the usual 
cry of "Give me a reference on that!"
    Of course everybody knows this, and it was silly as hell 
for you to keep screaming it wasn't true and i had to prove it. 
Now you not only admit it, you say you never said otherwise.   
     Typical.



I just don't see a problem in
>general with that.
>
>and then,
>> later, forgetting that, you pointed out that Sweden in only a
>> decade or two is already ten percent immigrant,and they keep
>> pouring in and their birth rate is huge.
 
>You're making statements up again Bob. When did I comment on immigrant
>birthrates in Sweden?? 


   The next thing you will be denying will be that you ever 
denied that the birthrate of immigrants is huge.  For a couple 
of decades, there have been regular articles on the huge 
percentage of births in European hospitals are those of 
immigrants.   Europeans countries have repeatedly been very 
concerned about low birthrates of their own people.



Please provide the post. I have, however, noted
>that Sweden has seen a great influx of immigrants since WWII and
>especially since the 1970's. It is starting to decrease today though.
>
>
>>     Note the only replies I have had this far are like
>> Kascieki, "My Mommy Professor says that's not true, you evil
>> thing!"
>>     To repeat, this sort ofself-contradiction  and political
>> Correctness go over big when they are protested from
>> contradiction under the uiniversity protection of Political
>> Correctness and Mommy Profesor, but this is the Internet.
>
>I have not much use for Political Correctness either. I just don;t
>believe being racist, hypocritical, and hateful is any better. How about
>truthful and rational?
>
>eB


    Yeah, right.



From bwhit@conterra.com Wed Aug  7 14:21:22 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
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Subject: Re: You Can _Never_ Have Too Much Diversity (ADV)
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evil Beavis  wrote:
>bob whitaker wrote:
>> 
>>    The only countries anybody talks about making "diverse" are
>> white-majority countries.  The aim is to get rid of whitey, aka
>> genocide, and in the process to replace all those diverse
>> nations with a uniform melting pot.
>>     Some diversity!
>
>This is the same kind of drivel you posted months ago Bob. Can't you do
>any better or something new??!
>
>eB


   And nobody ever answers it.  You said : 1) that there was no 
evidence non-whites were pouring into white countries and then, 
later, forgetting that, you pointed out that Sweden in only a 
decade or two is already ten percent immigrant,and they keep 
pouring in and their birth rate is huge.
    Note the only replies I have had this far are like 
Kascieki, "My Mommy Professor says that's not true, you evil 
thing!"
    To repeat, this sort ofself-contradiction  and political 
Correctness go over big when they are protested from 
contradiction under the uiniversity protection of Political 
Correctness and Mommy Profesor, but this is the Internet.



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Subject: Re: You Can _Never_ Have Too Much Diversity (ADV)
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pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu (Philip Kasiecki) wrote:
>bob whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
>: evil Beavis  wrote:
>: >bob whitaker wrote:
>: >>    The only countries anybody talks about making "diverse" are
>: >> white-majority countries.  The aim is to get rid of whitey, aka
>: >> genocide, and in the process to replace all those diverse
>: >> nations with a uniform melting pot.
>: >>     Some diversity!
>
>: >This is the same kind of drivel you posted months ago Bob. Can't you
>: >do any better or something new??!
>
>:    And nobody ever answers it.  You said : 1) that there was no 
>: evidence non-whites were pouring into white countries and then, 
>: later, forgetting that, you pointed out that Sweden in only a 
>: decade or two is already ten percent immigrant, and they keep 
>: pouring in and their birth rate is huge.
>
>    What does that prove?
>
>:     Note the only replies I have had this far are like Kascieki, 
>: "My Mommy Professor says that's not true, you evil thing!"
>
>    First off, my last name is spelled Kasiecki.  Who are you, Dan
>Quayle's brother? (nah, I shouldn't insult Quayle like that...)  Second,
>I have *never* said anything like what you suggest.  I speak from *MY*
>experience.  Third, I'll bet the reason you don't get many replies to
>your posts is because enough people see your posts for what they are
>(read: useless drivel) and don't feel the need to respond to you.
>
>:     To repeat, this sort ofself-contradiction and political 
>: Correctness go over big when they are protested from 
>: contradiction under the uiniversity protection of Political 
>: Correctness and Mommy Profesor, but this is the Internet.
>
>    WTFE.
>
>        Phil "yeah, this is the Internet, but I'm the same as I am in
>person, though a tad less abrasive" Kasiecki
>
>--
>Philip T. Kasiecki
>Electrical and Computer Engineering
>Northeastern University Class of 1999


     I miss the black guy who answered me by saying, among 
other things, that he had a white wife and a blue car.  He was 
just as irrelavant to the point as your comments, but much more 
entertaining.
      You are not only Politically Correct, you are actually 
prissy about it.



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evil Beavis  wrote:
>bob whitaker wrote:
>
>> >This is the same kind of drivel you posted months ago Bob. Can't you do
>> >any better or something new??!
>> >
>> >eB
>> 
>>    And nobody ever answers it.  You said : 1) that there was no
>> evidence non-whites were pouring into white countries 




>
>Where did I say this? You should quit lying and putting false words into
>other people's mouths Bob. Of course I know that many non-whites
>immigrate into majority white countries. 

As always, when you people get called on your bald-faced 
assertions, you deny them.   When I stated colored were pouring 
into white-majority countries, you repeatedly put up the usual 
cry of "Give me a reference on that!"
    Of course everybody knows this, and it was silly as hell 
for you to keep screaming it wasn't true and i had to prove it. 
Now you not only admit it, you say you never said otherwise.   
     Typical.



I just don't see a problem in
>general with that.
>
>and then,
>> later, forgetting that, you pointed out that Sweden in only a
>> decade or two is already ten percent immigrant,and they keep
>> pouring in and their birth rate is huge.
 
>You're making statements up again Bob. When did I comment on immigrant
>birthrates in Sweden?? 


   The next thing you will be denying will be that you ever 
denied that the birthrate of immigrants is huge.  For a couple 
of decades, there have been regular articles on the huge 
percentage of births in European hospitals are those of 
immigrants.   Europeans countries have repeatedly been very 
concerned about low birthrates of their own people.



Please provide the post. I have, however, noted
>that Sweden has seen a great influx of immigrants since WWII and
>especially since the 1970's. It is starting to decrease today though.
>
>
>>     Note the only replies I have had this far are like
>> Kascieki, "My Mommy Professor says that's not true, you evil
>> thing!"
>>     To repeat, this sort ofself-contradiction  and political
>> Correctness go over big when they are protested from
>> contradiction under the uiniversity protection of Political
>> Correctness and Mommy Profesor, but this is the Internet.
>
>I have not much use for Political Correctness either. I just don;t
>believe being racist, hypocritical, and hateful is any better. How about
>truthful and rational?
>
>eB


    Yeah, right.



From bwhit@conterra.com Wed Aug  7 18:06:30 PDT 1996
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evil Beavis  wrote:
>bob whitaker wrote:
>> 
>>    The only countries anybody talks about making "diverse" are
>> white-majority countries.  The aim is to get rid of whitey, aka
>> genocide, and in the process to replace all those diverse
>> nations with a uniform melting pot.
>>     Some diversity!
>
>This is the same kind of drivel you posted months ago Bob. Can't you do
>any better or something new??!
>
>eB


   And nobody ever answers it.  You said : 1) that there was no 
evidence non-whites were pouring into white countries and then, 
later, forgetting that, you pointed out that Sweden in only a 
decade or two is already ten percent immigrant,and they keep 
pouring in and their birth rate is huge.
    Note the only replies I have had this far are like 
Kascieki, "My Mommy Professor says that's not true, you evil 
thing!"
    To repeat, this sort ofself-contradiction  and political 
Correctness go over big when they are protested from 
contradiction under the uiniversity protection of Political 
Correctness and Mommy Profesor, but this is the Internet.



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pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu (Philip Kasiecki) wrote:
>bob whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
>: evil Beavis  wrote:
>: >bob whitaker wrote:
>: >>    The only countries anybody talks about making "diverse" are
>: >> white-majority countries.  The aim is to get rid of whitey, aka
>: >> genocide, and in the process to replace all those diverse
>: >> nations with a uniform melting pot.
>: >>     Some diversity!
>
>: >This is the same kind of drivel you posted months ago Bob. Can't you
>: >do any better or something new??!
>
>:    And nobody ever answers it.  You said : 1) that there was no 
>: evidence non-whites were pouring into white countries and then, 
>: later, forgetting that, you pointed out that Sweden in only a 
>: decade or two is already ten percent immigrant, and they keep 
>: pouring in and their birth rate is huge.
>
>    What does that prove?
>
>:     Note the only replies I have had this far are like Kascieki, 
>: "My Mommy Professor says that's not true, you evil thing!"
>
>    First off, my last name is spelled Kasiecki.  Who are you, Dan
>Quayle's brother? (nah, I shouldn't insult Quayle like that...)  Second,
>I have *never* said anything like what you suggest.  I speak from *MY*
>experience.  Third, I'll bet the reason you don't get many replies to
>your posts is because enough people see your posts for what they are
>(read: useless drivel) and don't feel the need to respond to you.
>
>:     To repeat, this sort ofself-contradiction and political 
>: Correctness go over big when they are protested from 
>: contradiction under the uiniversity protection of Political 
>: Correctness and Mommy Profesor, but this is the Internet.
>
>    WTFE.
>
>        Phil "yeah, this is the Internet, but I'm the same as I am in
>person, though a tad less abrasive" Kasiecki
>
>--
>Philip T. Kasiecki
>Electrical and Computer Engineering
>Northeastern University Class of 1999


     I miss the black guy who answered me by saying, among 
other things, that he had a white wife and a blue car.  He was 
just as irrelavant to the point as your comments, but much more 
entertaining.
      You are not only Politically Correct, you are actually 
prissy about it.



From bwhit@conterra.com Wed Aug  7 18:06:40 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: You Can _Never_ Have Too Much Diversity (ADV)
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evil Beavis  wrote:
>bob whitaker wrote:
>
>> >This is the same kind of drivel you posted months ago Bob. Can't you do
>> >any better or something new??!
>> >
>> >eB
>> 
>>    And nobody ever answers it.  You said : 1) that there was no
>> evidence non-whites were pouring into white countries 




>
>Where did I say this? You should quit lying and putting false words into
>other people's mouths Bob. Of course I know that many non-whites
>immigrate into majority white countries. 

As always, when you people get called on your bald-faced 
assertions, you deny them.   When I stated colored were pouring 
into white-majority countries, you repeatedly put up the usual 
cry of "Give me a reference on that!"
    Of course everybody knows this, and it was silly as hell 
for you to keep screaming it wasn't true and i had to prove it. 
Now you not only admit it, you say you never said otherwise.   
     Typical.



I just don't see a problem in
>general with that.
>
>and then,
>> later, forgetting that, you pointed out that Sweden in only a
>> decade or two is already ten percent immigrant,and they keep
>> pouring in and their birth rate is huge.
 
>You're making statements up again Bob. When did I comment on immigrant
>birthrates in Sweden?? 


   The next thing you will be denying will be that you ever 
denied that the birthrate of immigrants is huge.  For a couple 
of decades, there have been regular articles on the huge 
percentage of births in European hospitals are those of 
immigrants.   Europeans countries have repeatedly been very 
concerned about low birthrates of their own people.



Please provide the post. I have, however, noted
>that Sweden has seen a great influx of immigrants since WWII and
>especially since the 1970's. It is starting to decrease today though.
>
>
>>     Note the only replies I have had this far are like
>> Kascieki, "My Mommy Professor says that's not true, you evil
>> thing!"
>>     To repeat, this sort ofself-contradiction  and political
>> Correctness go over big when they are protested from
>> contradiction under the uiniversity protection of Political
>> Correctness and Mommy Profesor, but this is the Internet.
>
>I have not much use for Political Correctness either. I just don;t
>believe being racist, hypocritical, and hateful is any better. How about
>truthful and rational?
>
>eB


    Yeah, right.



From bwhit@conterra.com Thu Aug  8 07:42:43 PDT 1996
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pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu (Philip Kasiecki) wrote:
>bob whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
>: evil Beavis  wrote:
>: >bob whitaker wrote:
>: > > (drivel snipped)
>: >> >This is the same kind of drivel you posted months ago Bob. Can't
>: >> >you do any better or something new??!
>
>: >>    And nobody ever answers it.  You said : 1) that there was no
>: >> evidence non-whites were pouring into white countries 
>
>: >Where did I say this? You should quit lying and putting false words
>: >into other people's mouths Bob. Of course I know that many non-whites
>: >immigrate into majority white countries. 
>
>: As always, when you people get called on your bald-faced assertions, 
>: you deny them.
>
>    Bullshit.  That has nothing to do with it.
>
>: When I stated colored were pouring into white-majority countries, you 
>: repeatedly put up the usual cry of "Give me a reference on that!"
>
>    I don't blame him- after all, you're not exactly a reliable source. 
>I would want you to give a reference on anything you state.  If you were
>a more reliable source, then we might take your word for it.  Since
>you're not, you'll have to provide a reference.  If you do, I, and I'm
>sure many others, will be convinced.  But don't blame us for the fact
>that you have practically zero credibility.
>
>:     Of course everybody knows this, and it was silly as hell 
>: for you to keep screaming it wasn't true and i had to prove it. 
>: Now you not only admit it, you say you never said otherwise.   
>:      Typical.
>
>    Bullshit.  Read what I said above, about your credibility.
>
>: >I just don't see a problem in general with that.
>
>: >> and then, later, forgetting that, you pointed out that Sweden in
>: >> only a decade or two is already ten percent immigrant,and they keep
>: >> pouring in and their birth rate is huge.
>
>: >You're making statements up again Bob. When did I comment on immigrant
>: >birthrates in Sweden?? 
>
>:    The next thing you will be denying will be that you ever 
>: denied that the birthrate of immigrants is huge.  For a couple 
>: of decades, there have been regular articles on the huge 
>: percentage of births in European hospitals are those of 
>: immigrants.   Europeans countries have repeatedly been very 
>: concerned about low birthrates of their own people.
>
>    Answer the question, you dimwit.  If he said what you claim he did,
>prove it.  Try DejaNews, it works wonders.
>
>: >Please provide the post. I have, however, noted that Sweden has 
>: >seen a great influx of immigrants since WWII and especially since 
>: >the 1970's. It is starting to decrease today though.
>
>: >>     Note the only replies I have had this far are like
>: >> Kascieki, "My Mommy Professor says that's not true, you evil
>: >> thing!"
>: >>     To repeat, this sort ofself-contradiction  and political
>: >> Correctness go over big when they are protested from
>: >> contradiction under the uiniversity protection of Political
>: >> Correctness and Mommy Profesor, but this is the Internet.
>
>: >I have not much use for Political Correctness either. I just don;t
>: >believe being racist, hypocritical, and hateful is any better. How 
>: >about truthful and rational?
>
>:     Yeah, right.
>
>    WTFE.
>
>        Phil "did someone say clueless?" Kasiecki
>
>--
>Philip T. Kasiecki
>Electrical and Computer Engineering
>Northeastern University Class of 1999


     You're a good boy.



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pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu (Philip Kasiecki) wrote:
>bob whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
>: evil Beavis  wrote:
>: >bob whitaker wrote:
>: > > (drivel snipped)
>: >> >This is the same kind of drivel you posted months ago Bob. Can't
>: >> >you do any better or something new??!
>
>: >>    And nobody ever answers it.  You said : 1) that there was no
>: >> evidence non-whites were pouring into white countries 
>
>: >Where did I say this? You should quit lying and putting false words
>: >into other people's mouths Bob. Of course I know that many non-whites
>: >immigrate into majority white countries. 
>
>: As always, when you people get called on your bald-faced assertions, 
>: you deny them.
>
>    Bullshit.  That has nothing to do with it.
>
>: When I stated colored were pouring into white-majority countries, you 
>: repeatedly put up the usual cry of "Give me a reference on that!"
>
>    I don't blame him- after all, you're not exactly a reliable source. 
>I would want you to give a reference on anything you state.  If you were
>a more reliable source, then we might take your word for it.  Since
>you're not, you'll have to provide a reference.  If you do, I, and I'm
>sure many others, will be convinced.  But don't blame us for the fact
>that you have practically zero credibility.
>
>:     Of course everybody knows this, and it was silly as hell 
>: for you to keep screaming it wasn't true and i had to prove it. 
>: Now you not only admit it, you say you never said otherwise.   
>:      Typical.
>
>    Bullshit.  Read what I said above, about your credibility.
>
>: >I just don't see a problem in general with that.
>
>: >> and then, later, forgetting that, you pointed out that Sweden in
>: >> only a decade or two is already ten percent immigrant,and they keep
>: >> pouring in and their birth rate is huge.
>
>: >You're making statements up again Bob. When did I comment on immigrant
>: >birthrates in Sweden?? 
>
>:    The next thing you will be denying will be that you ever 
>: denied that the birthrate of immigrants is huge.  For a couple 
>: of decades, there have been regular articles on the huge 
>: percentage of births in European hospitals are those of 
>: immigrants.   Europeans countries have repeatedly been very 
>: concerned about low birthrates of their own people.
>
>    Answer the question, you dimwit.  If he said what you claim he did,
>prove it.  Try DejaNews, it works wonders.
>
>: >Please provide the post. I have, however, noted that Sweden has 
>: >seen a great influx of immigrants since WWII and especially since 
>: >the 1970's. It is starting to decrease today though.
>
>: >>     Note the only replies I have had this far are like
>: >> Kascieki, "My Mommy Professor says that's not true, you evil
>: >> thing!"
>: >>     To repeat, this sort ofself-contradiction  and political
>: >> Correctness go over big when they are protested from
>: >> contradiction under the uiniversity protection of Political
>: >> Correctness and Mommy Profesor, but this is the Internet.
>
>: >I have not much use for Political Correctness either. I just don;t
>: >believe being racist, hypocritical, and hateful is any better. How 
>: >about truthful and rational?
>
>:     Yeah, right.
>
>    WTFE.
>
>        Phil "did someone say clueless?" Kasiecki
>
>--
>Philip T. Kasiecki
>Electrical and Computer Engineering
>Northeastern University Class of 1999

    This is a repeat, but you clones don't make for much 
variety.
    What ha[ppened was that Little Beaver got caught in a 
sophomoric trick.  Mommy Professor taught you one way to deal 
with logic you can't answer when you get outside the fortress 
of Political Correctness:  What you are to do is to demand 
references for what everybody already knows, and that keeps you 
>from  having to answer the point.  
     You think this makes you look intellectual, actually it 
makes you look like a fool.  
     So Little Beaver said there was no evidence of 
non-whites pouring into white countries, where was my evidence. 
 I said he was a silly ass to deny what everybody knew, and he 
denied denying it.
     I pointed out what everybody knows, that the immigrant 
birth rate is high and the European is low, and Little Beaver 
says I said he said it.   But the fact is that when you pull 
this silly  asss little trick of acting like you come from 
another planet and need references for the obvious, you are 
going to be accused of denying the obvious.
      If you stop being prissy and using such asinine tricks, 
you will have to deal with points you are normally protected 
from, so you won't.   You can't protect yourself or Little 
Beaver from reality.  Go back to your university and talk with 
the folks who will tell you you're a Great Intellectual and 
don't have to think.
     



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slaldin@chat.carleton.ca (Sam Laldin) wrote:
>bob whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
>> evil Beavis  wrote:
>> >bob whitaker wrote:
>> >> 
>> >>    The only countries anybody talks about making "diverse" are
>> >> white-majority countries.  The aim is to get rid of whitey, aka
>> >> genocide, and in the process to replace all those diverse
>> >> nations with a uniform melting pot.
>> >>     Some diversity!
>> >
>> >This is the same kind of drivel you posted months ago Bob. Can't you do
>> >any better or something new??!
>> >
>> >eB
>
>
>>    And nobody ever answers it.  You said : 1) that there was no 
>> evidence non-whites were pouring into white countries and then, 
>> later, forgetting that, you pointed out that Sweden in only a 
>> decade or two is already ten percent immigrant,and they keep 
>> pouring in and their birth rate is huge.
>>     Note the only replies I have had this far are like 
>> Kascieki, "My Mommy Professor says that's not true, you evil 
>> thing!"
>>     To repeat, this sort ofself-contradiction  and political 
>> Correctness go over big when they are protested from 
>> contradiction under the uiniversity protection of Political 
>> Correctness and Mommy Profesor, but this is the Internet.
>
>OK, how about this.  Across repeated measures, the measurements tend to
>regress towards the mean. Because immigration policies of nation-states
>allow them to be essentially samples of the world population and whites
>make up a minority of this population, then these samples (re:
>nation-states) will also eventually have a minority white population.  As
>for the paranoid belief that all non-whites have a single common aim...
>yikes, get help.  I like a good conspiricy as much as the next guy but
>this is a little too much.
>
>Sam
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>+++ All Power to All People +++
>
>" Last night they relieved me of all my sorrows
>  In the darkness they gave me the water of life."
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
    Hey dumb-dumb, what planet are you living on?  Where is 
this immigration into Africa and Asia you're talking about?
     The people with the common aim of bringing non-whites into 
 whtie country ar mostly sick whites, not non-whites.  
     Averaging is not regression tot he mean.
     Why don't you get some one thing right, and we'll try 
again.



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From: bob whitaker 
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Subject: Re: ISN'T WHITE SELF-SACRIFICE A FORM OF WHITE SUPREMACY?
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jeff_brown@pol.com (Jeffrey G. Brown) wrote:
>In article <32060183.1606@sonic.net>, Len  wrote:
>
>> 2. You utilize an old strategy that attempts to put the burden of proof
>>    on him by having him go and find a thousand little names, and hours
>>    of research on trivial stuff to support his allegations. 
>
>On whom, pray tell, should the burden of proof for Whitaker's allegations fall?

   This is a silly little game his Mommy Professor taught him. 
  The problem is, they squeal when they get caught at it.  You 
say things everybody knows, and they say, "Give me 
refrences!"   Mommy professor said that was a great way to 
dodge a logical statement.
    Mommy professor said that everybody will say, "Gosh, what a 
Great Intellectual this person is, demanding proof that black 
people commit more crimes or immigration is only demanded of 
white countries or the sky is up."
     Actually, outside Political Correctness Land, out here in 
Reality, what people think is, "Good God, what planet does this 
moron live on?"
     Yes, Mommy professor tells you you are a ggreat 
intellectual, but he would call you a great intellectual if you 
nodded and drooled on yourself, if what you nodded at was 
Politically Correct.
      One of your PC buddies got caught at this game and he 
screamed bloody murder.  He kept demanding references that 
non-whites were immigrating in large numbers into white 
countries, and he demanded references to prove taht birth rates 
 in the Third World are higher than in Europe.   
       I said, in effect, that it was silly to deny these facts 
that everybody knows, and he screamed that he hadn't denied 
them.   When you demand all these references for what everybody 
knows, your Mommy professor tells you you're a genius, but what 
you really look like is damned fool.
   I know that no one will tell you this where you are 
protected from disagreement by Political Correctness, but out 
here on the Internet you should grow up some.







>>    That way
>>    you have him busy, silenced, and his point will be so obscure as to
>>    lose his thread.
>
>Doubtful. Show me a "silent" racist in this newsgroup.
>
>>    Please, I've seen it before, don't.
>
>Gee, I'm sorry. If I'm boring you, there _are_ a few other newsgroups you
>could peruse...
>
>>    You need to utilize what you have asked him to.
>
>Why? What unsupported assertions have I made?
>
>> 3. Ad hominum arguments only reveal your stupidity.
>
>Look at that sentence _real_ close, Len, and tell me if you see the irony...
>
>JGB
>
>=====================================================================
>Jeffrey G. Brown                                   jeff_brown@pol.com
> "What's going to happen?"   "Something wonderful..."   -- '2010'




From bwhit@conterra.com Thu Aug  8 08:33:09 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: You Can _Never_ Have Too Much Diversity (ADV)
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"Tom L."  wrote:
>The immigration situation right now in the world is a 
>well know process. By the year 2100, the mayority of 
>people in the United Stated will be Asian(Koreans, 
>chinese, Vietnames, indians, arabs) Second group will 
>be hispanic non-whites(dark mexicans, black 
>puertoricans) then blacks, white hispanics, whites, 
>and native american)this is something base on birth 
>rates and immigration. Hispanic immigration is high 
>now. Most of the immigrans are indians farmers from 
>mexico. Mexico is a country that loves white people, 
>they are very happy by kicking some of their poor 
>dark-skinned brothers. But the  hispanic population 
>can not be compared to the huge asian population. 
>Once Communism ends in china you will see a 
>superastronimic immigration from there. Most of the 
>west cost will becama 90%  asian in 2 years. EUrope 
>will becama Muslim with a big african population too.  
>Japan will have a large asian-non japanese population 
>too. Australia will became asian, 
>asian(indian--chinese mostly) as well as new zeland. 
>Central americans & mexico white will disapeare due 
>to intermarriege. South american will fallow the same 
>fate. Just base on statistic from birth-death rate, 
>immigration, etc


    In the midst of all this is my point: the only major race 
(Caucasoid, Mongoloid, Negroid) that will disappear is the 
white race.  Asia will remain solidly Mongoloid(I doubt japan 
will open up, no one is really pressing her to do so, since 
Japan is not white), and regardles of Japan, there are a 
billion Chinese and no one wants to go there.   Nobody is going 
to poor, starving, disease-ridden, totalitarian, starving 
Africa.   Only one race has got to go, and it's mine.



From bwhit@conterra.com Thu Aug  8 08:35:15 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
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Subject: Re: You Can _Never_ Have Too Much Diversity (ADV)
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"Tom L."  wrote:
>The immigration situation right now in the world is a 
>well know process. By the year 2100, the mayority of 
>people in the United Stated will be Asian(Koreans, 
>chinese, Vietnames, indians, arabs) Second group will 
>be hispanic non-whites(dark mexicans, black 
>puertoricans) then blacks, white hispanics, whites, 
>and native american)this is something base on birth 
>rates and immigration. Hispanic immigration is high 
>now. Most of the immigrans are indians farmers from 
>mexico. Mexico is a country that loves white people, 
>they are very happy by kicking some of their poor 
>dark-skinned brothers. But the  hispanic population 
>can not be compared to the huge asian population. 
>Once Communism ends in china you will see a 
>superastronimic immigration from there. Most of the 
>west cost will becama 90%  asian in 2 years. EUrope 
>will becama Muslim with a big african population too.  
>Japan will have a large asian-non japanese population 
>too. Australia will became asian, 
>asian(indian--chinese mostly) as well as new zeland. 
>Central americans & mexico white will disapeare due 
>to intermarriege. South american will fallow the same 
>fate. Just base on statistic from birth-death rate, 
>immigration, etc


    In the midst of all this is my point: the only major race 
(Caucasoid, Mongoloid, Negroid) that will disappear is the 
white race.  Asia will remain solidly Mongoloid(I doubt japan 
will open up, no one is really pressing her to do so, since 
Japan is not white), and regardles of Japan, there are a 
billion Chinese and no one wants to go there.   Nobody is going 
to poor, starving, disease-ridden, totalitarian, starving 
Africa.   Only one race has got to go, and it's mine.



From bwhit@conterra.com Thu Aug  8 09:32:48 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
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Subject: Re: You Can _Never_ Have Too Much Diversity (ADV)
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"Tom L."  wrote:
>The immigration situation right now in the world is a 
>well know process. By the year 2100, the mayority of 
>people in the United Stated will be Asian(Koreans, 
>chinese, Vietnames, indians, arabs) Second group will 
>be hispanic non-whites(dark mexicans, black 
>puertoricans) then blacks, white hispanics, whites, 
>and native american)this is something base on birth 
>rates and immigration. Hispanic immigration is high 
>now. Most of the immigrans are indians farmers from 
>mexico. Mexico is a country that loves white people, 
>they are very happy by kicking some of their poor 
>dark-skinned brothers. But the  hispanic population 
>can not be compared to the huge asian population. 
>Once Communism ends in china you will see a 
>superastronimic immigration from there. Most of the 
>west cost will becama 90%  asian in 2 years. EUrope 
>will becama Muslim with a big african population too.  
>Japan will have a large asian-non japanese population 
>too. Australia will became asian, 
>asian(indian--chinese mostly) as well as new zeland. 
>Central americans & mexico white will disapeare due 
>to intermarriege. South american will fallow the same 
>fate. Just base on statistic from birth-death rate, 
>immigration, etc


    In the midst of all this is my point: the only major race 
(Caucasoid, Mongoloid, Negroid) that will disappear is the 
white race.  Asia will remain solidly Mongoloid(I doubt japan 
will open up, no one is really pressing her to do so, since 
Japan is not white), and regardles of Japan, there are a 
billion Chinese and no one wants to go there.   Nobody is going 
to poor, starving, disease-ridden, totalitarian, starving 
Africa.   Only one race has got to go, and it's mine.



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"Tom L."  wrote:
>The immigration situation right now in the world is a 
>well know process. By the year 2100, the mayority of 
>people in the United Stated will be Asian(Koreans, 
>chinese, Vietnames, indians, arabs) Second group will 
>be hispanic non-whites(dark mexicans, black 
>puertoricans) then blacks, white hispanics, whites, 
>and native american)this is something base on birth 
>rates and immigration. Hispanic immigration is high 
>now. Most of the immigrans are indians farmers from 
>mexico. Mexico is a country that loves white people, 
>they are very happy by kicking some of their poor 
>dark-skinned brothers. But the  hispanic population 
>can not be compared to the huge asian population. 
>Once Communism ends in china you will see a 
>superastronimic immigration from there. Most of the 
>west cost will becama 90%  asian in 2 years. EUrope 
>will becama Muslim with a big african population too.  
>Japan will have a large asian-non japanese population 
>too. Australia will became asian, 
>asian(indian--chinese mostly) as well as new zeland. 
>Central americans & mexico white will disapeare due 
>to intermarriege. South american will fallow the same 
>fate. Just base on statistic from birth-death rate, 
>immigration, etc


    In the midst of all this is my point: the only major race 
(Caucasoid, Mongoloid, Negroid) that will disappear is the 
white race.  Asia will remain solidly Mongoloid(I doubt japan 
will open up, no one is really pressing her to do so, since 
Japan is not white), and regardles of Japan, there are a 
billion Chinese and no one wants to go there.   Nobody is going 
to poor, starving, disease-ridden, totalitarian, starving 
Africa.   Only one race has got to go, and it's mine.



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evil Beavis  wrote:
>bob whitaker wrote:
> 
>>     In the midst of all this is my point: the only major race
>> (Caucasoid, Mongoloid, Negroid) that will disappear is the
>> white race.  Asia will remain solidly Mongoloid(I doubt japan
>> will open up, no one is really pressing her to do so, since
>> Japan is not white), and regardles of Japan, there are a
>> billion Chinese and no one wants to go there.   Nobody is going
>> to poor, starving, disease-ridden, totalitarian, starving
>> Africa.   Only one race has got to go, and it's mine.
>
>Why so paranoid and insecure? I believe we have the skills and cunning
>not only to be around for as long as we want to, but to get along with
>the rest of the world also. This happens already in most places although
>the media and individuals who fear and hate diversity do their best to
>convince scared people like you otherwise!
>
>eB


    You are not for diversity, you simply want to get rid of 
whites.



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Subject: Re: You Can _Never_ Have Too Much Diversity (ADV)
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slaldin@chat.carleton.ca (Sam Laldin) wrote:
>bob whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
>> slaldin@chat.carleton.ca (Sam Laldin) wrote:
>> >bob whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
>> >> evil Beavis  wrote:
>> >> >bob whitaker wrote:
>> >> >> 
>> >> >>    The only countries anybody talks about making "diverse" are
>> >> >> white-majority countries.  The aim is to get rid of whitey, aka
>> >> >> genocide, and in the process to replace all those diverse
>> >> >> nations with a uniform melting pot.
>> >> >>     Some diversity!
>> >> >
>> >> >This is the same kind of drivel you posted months ago Bob. Can't you do
>> >> >any better or something new??!
>> >> >
>> >> >eB
>> >
>> >
>> >>    And nobody ever answers it.  You said : 1) that there was no 
>> >> evidence non-whites were pouring into white countries and then, 
>> >> later, forgetting that, you pointed out that Sweden in only a 
>> >> decade or two is already ten percent immigrant,and they keep 
>> >> pouring in and their birth rate is huge.
>> >>     Note the only replies I have had this far are like 
>> >> Kascieki, "My Mommy Professor says that's not true, you evil 
>> >> thing!"
>> >>     To repeat, this sort ofself-contradiction  and political 
>> >> Correctness go over big when they are protested from 
>> >> contradiction under the uiniversity protection of Political 
>> >> Correctness and Mommy Profesor, but this is the Internet.
>> >
>> >OK, how about this.  Across repeated measures, the measurements tend to
>> >regress towards the mean. Because immigration policies of nation-states
>> >allow them to be essentially samples of the world population and whites
>> >make up a minority of this population, then these samples (re:
>> >nation-states) will also eventually have a minority white population.  As
>> >for the paranoid belief that all non-whites have a single common aim...
>> >yikes, get help.  I like a good conspiricy as much as the next guy but
>> >this is a little too much.
>> >
>> >Sam
>> >
>> >----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >+++ All Power to All People +++
>> >
>> >" Last night they relieved me of all my sorrows
>> >  In the darkness they gave me the water of life."
>> >----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>     Hey dumb-dumb, what planet are you living on?  Where is 
>> this immigration into Africa and Asia you're talking about?
>>      The people with the common aim of bringing non-whites into 
>>  whtie country ar mostly sick whites, not non-whites.  
>>      Averaging is not regression tot he mean.
>>      Why don't you get some one thing right, and we'll try 
>> again.
>
>1.  I don't know the immigration pattern of any nation-states and never
>implied such.  My only statement on this issue was that nation-states with
>open immmigration policies would eventually act as a sample of the world
>population (for reason see #3)
>
>2.  A group of people delibrately (ie. with the expressed intent) of, and
>systematically destroying itself?  Sorry, don't buy it.  If you can
>explicity prove it then I'll change my mind.



    So you are not aware that white self-hatred is the basis of 
Politically Correct thought, eh?
     Have you been visiting this planet long?  You plan to stay 
a while?



>3.  I have no idea what you mean by 'averaging is not regression to the mean'.
>As far as to my contention:
>	a) Assume open-immigration nation-states act as samples of the
>	   world population
>	then,
>	by the statistical theory of regression towards the mean, in that
>one's best bet of prediction would be the mean, the 'racial' make-up of
>these nation-states will mimic the overall racial make-up of the planet
>(for a further discussion of regression towards the
>mean, see Hayes, William, 'Statistics', Harcourt-Brace, pg 615 and also pg
>29, which discusses Bernouilli theorum).  This is
>the basic theory behind experiments which use people. i.e. if you want to
>see if there are 'racial' differences (in keeping with this ng), obv one
>could not encompass everyone, so you take a large sample and by this
>theory, the make-up of the sample will mimic the population.
>
>There are some problems with my contention.  Will you try and find them or
>just spew written, unsubstantiated noise (ie: instead of just writing 'No
>thats wrong, [this] is right; try footnoting some sources) ?
>
>Sam 
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>+++ All Power to All People +++
>
>" Last night they relieved me of all my sorrows
>  In the darkness they gave me the water of life."
>----------------------------------------------------------------------




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slaldin@chat.carleton.ca (Sam Laldin) wrote:
>bob whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
>> slaldin@chat.carleton.ca (Sam Laldin) wrote:
>> >bob whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
>> >> evil Beavis  wrote:
>> >> >bob whitaker wrote:
>> >> >> 
>> >> >>    The only countries anybody talks about making "diverse" are
>> >> >> white-majority countries.  The aim is to get rid of whitey, aka
>> >> >> genocide, and in the process to replace all those diverse
>> >> >> nations with a uniform melting pot.
>> >> >>     Some diversity!
>> >> >
>> >> >This is the same kind of drivel you posted months ago Bob. Can't you do
>> >> >any better or something new??!
>> >> >
>> >> >eB
>> >
>> >
>> >>    And nobody ever answers it.  You said : 1) that there was no 
>> >> evidence non-whites were pouring into white countries and then, 
>> >> later, forgetting that, you pointed out that Sweden in only a 
>> >> decade or two is already ten percent immigrant,and they keep 
>> >> pouring in and their birth rate is huge.
>> >>     Note the only replies I have had this far are like 
>> >> Kascieki, "My Mommy Professor says that's not true, you evil 
>> >> thing!"
>> >>     To repeat, this sort ofself-contradiction  and political 
>> >> Correctness go over big when they are protested from 
>> >> contradiction under the uiniversity protection of Political 
>> >> Correctness and Mommy Profesor, but this is the Internet.
>> >
>> >OK, how about this.  Across repeated measures, the measurements tend to
>> >regress towards the mean. Because immigration policies of nation-states
>> >allow them to be essentially samples of the world population and whites
>> >make up a minority of this population, then these samples (re:
>> >nation-states) will also eventually have a minority white population.  As
>> >for the paranoid belief that all non-whites have a single common aim...
>> >yikes, get help.  I like a good conspiricy as much as the next guy but
>> >this is a little too much.
>> >
>> >Sam
>> >
>> >----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >+++ All Power to All People +++
>> >
>> >" Last night they relieved me of all my sorrows
>> >  In the darkness they gave me the water of life."
>> >----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>     Hey dumb-dumb, what planet are you living on?  Where is 
>> this immigration into Africa and Asia you're talking about?
>>      The people with the common aim of bringing non-whites into 
>>  whtie country ar mostly sick whites, not non-whites.  
>>      Averaging is not regression tot he mean.
>>      Why don't you get some one thing right, and we'll try 
>> again.
>
>1.  I don't know the immigration pattern of any nation-states and never
>implied such.  My only statement on this issue was that nation-states with
>open immmigration policies would eventually act as a sample of the world
>population (for reason see #3)
>
>2.  A group of people delibrately (ie. with the expressed intent) of, and
>systematically destroying itself?  Sorry, don't buy it.  If you can
>explicity prove it then I'll change my mind.



    So you are not aware that white self-hatred is the basis of 
Politically Correct thought, eh?
     Have you been visiting this planet long?  You plan to stay 
a while?



>3.  I have no idea what you mean by 'averaging is not regression to the mean'.
>As far as to my contention:
>	a) Assume open-immigration nation-states act as samples of the
>	   world population
>	then,
>	by the statistical theory of regression towards the mean, in that
>one's best bet of prediction would be the mean, the 'racial' make-up of
>these nation-states will mimic the overall racial make-up of the planet
>(for a further discussion of regression towards the
>mean, see Hayes, William, 'Statistics', Harcourt-Brace, pg 615 and also pg
>29, which discusses Bernouilli theorum).  This is
>the basic theory behind experiments which use people. i.e. if you want to
>see if there are 'racial' differences (in keeping with this ng), obv one
>could not encompass everyone, so you take a large sample and by this
>theory, the make-up of the sample will mimic the population.
>
>There are some problems with my contention.  Will you try and find them or
>just spew written, unsubstantiated noise (ie: instead of just writing 'No
>thats wrong, [this] is right; try footnoting some sources) ?
>
>Sam 
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>+++ All Power to All People +++
>
>" Last night they relieved me of all my sorrows
>  In the darkness they gave me the water of life."
>----------------------------------------------------------------------




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slaldin@chat.carleton.ca (Sam Laldin) wrote:
>bob whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
>> slaldin@chat.carleton.ca (Sam Laldin) wrote:
>> >bob whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
>> >> evil Beavis  wrote:
>> >> >bob whitaker wrote:
>> >> >> 
>> >> >>    The only countries anybody talks about making "diverse" are
>> >> >> white-majority countries.  The aim is to get rid of whitey, aka
>> >> >> genocide, and in the process to replace all those diverse
>> >> >> nations with a uniform melting pot.
>> >> >>     Some diversity!
>> >> >
>> >> >This is the same kind of drivel you posted months ago Bob. Can't you do
>> >> >any better or something new??!
>> >> >
>> >> >eB
>> >
>> >
>> >>    And nobody ever answers it.  You said : 1) that there was no 
>> >> evidence non-whites were pouring into white countries and then, 
>> >> later, forgetting that, you pointed out that Sweden in only a 
>> >> decade or two is already ten percent immigrant,and they keep 
>> >> pouring in and their birth rate is huge.
>> >>     Note the only replies I have had this far are like 
>> >> Kascieki, "My Mommy Professor says that's not true, you evil 
>> >> thing!"
>> >>     To repeat, this sort ofself-contradiction  and political 
>> >> Correctness go over big when they are protested from 
>> >> contradiction under the uiniversity protection of Political 
>> >> Correctness and Mommy Profesor, but this is the Internet.
>> >
>> >OK, how about this.  Across repeated measures, the measurements tend to
>> >regress towards the mean. Because immigration policies of nation-states
>> >allow them to be essentially samples of the world population and whites
>> >make up a minority of this population, then these samples (re:
>> >nation-states) will also eventually have a minority white population.  As
>> >for the paranoid belief that all non-whites have a single common aim...
>> >yikes, get help.  I like a good conspiricy as much as the next guy but
>> >this is a little too much.
>> >
>> >Sam
>> >
>> >----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >+++ All Power to All People +++
>> >
>> >" Last night they relieved me of all my sorrows
>> >  In the darkness they gave me the water of life."
>> >----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>     Hey dumb-dumb, what planet are you living on?  Where is 
>> this immigration into Africa and Asia you're talking about?
>>      The people with the common aim of bringing non-whites into 
>>  whtie country ar mostly sick whites, not non-whites.  
>>      Averaging is not regression tot he mean.
>>      Why don't you get some one thing right, and we'll try 
>> again.
>
>1.  I don't know the immigration pattern of any nation-states and never
>implied such.  My only statement on this issue was that nation-states with
>open immmigration policies would eventually act as a sample of the world
>population (for reason see #3)
>
>2.  A group of people delibrately (ie. with the expressed intent) of, and
>systematically destroying itself?  Sorry, don't buy it.  If you can
>explicity prove it then I'll change my mind.



    So you are not aware that white self-hatred is the basis of 
Politically Correct thought, eh?
     Have you been visiting this planet long?  You plan to stay 
a while?



>3.  I have no idea what you mean by 'averaging is not regression to the mean'.
>As far as to my contention:
>	a) Assume open-immigration nation-states act as samples of the
>	   world population
>	then,
>	by the statistical theory of regression towards the mean, in that
>one's best bet of prediction would be the mean, the 'racial' make-up of
>these nation-states will mimic the overall racial make-up of the planet
>(for a further discussion of regression towards the
>mean, see Hayes, William, 'Statistics', Harcourt-Brace, pg 615 and also pg
>29, which discusses Bernouilli theorum).  This is
>the basic theory behind experiments which use people. i.e. if you want to
>see if there are 'racial' differences (in keeping with this ng), obv one
>could not encompass everyone, so you take a large sample and by this
>theory, the make-up of the sample will mimic the population.
>
>There are some problems with my contention.  Will you try and find them or
>just spew written, unsubstantiated noise (ie: instead of just writing 'No
>thats wrong, [this] is right; try footnoting some sources) ?
>
>Sam 
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>+++ All Power to All People +++
>
>" Last night they relieved me of all my sorrows
>  In the darkness they gave me the water of life."
>----------------------------------------------------------------------




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slaldin@chat.carleton.ca (Sam Laldin) wrote:
>bob whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
>> slaldin@chat.carleton.ca (Sam Laldin) wrote:
>> >bob whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
>> >> evil Beavis  wrote:
>> >> >bob whitaker wrote:
>> >> >> 
>> >> >>    The only countries anybody talks about making "diverse" are
>> >> >> white-majority countries.  The aim is to get rid of whitey, aka
>> >> >> genocide, and in the process to replace all those diverse
>> >> >> nations with a uniform melting pot.
>> >> >>     Some diversity!
>> >> >
>> >> >This is the same kind of drivel you posted months ago Bob. Can't you do
>> >> >any better or something new??!
>> >> >
>> >> >eB
>> >
>> >
>> >>    And nobody ever answers it.  You said : 1) that there was no 
>> >> evidence non-whites were pouring into white countries and then, 
>> >> later, forgetting that, you pointed out that Sweden in only a 
>> >> decade or two is already ten percent immigrant,and they keep 
>> >> pouring in and their birth rate is huge.
>> >>     Note the only replies I have had this far are like 
>> >> Kascieki, "My Mommy Professor says that's not true, you evil 
>> >> thing!"
>> >>     To repeat, this sort ofself-contradiction  and political 
>> >> Correctness go over big when they are protested from 
>> >> contradiction under the uiniversity protection of Political 
>> >> Correctness and Mommy Profesor, but this is the Internet.
>> >
>> >OK, how about this.  Across repeated measures, the measurements tend to
>> >regress towards the mean. Because immigration policies of nation-states
>> >allow them to be essentially samples of the world population and whites
>> >make up a minority of this population, then these samples (re:
>> >nation-states) will also eventually have a minority white population.  As
>> >for the paranoid belief that all non-whites have a single common aim...
>> >yikes, get help.  I like a good conspiricy as much as the next guy but
>> >this is a little too much.
>> >
>> >Sam
>> >
>> >----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >+++ All Power to All People +++
>> >
>> >" Last night they relieved me of all my sorrows
>> >  In the darkness they gave me the water of life."
>> >----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>     Hey dumb-dumb, what planet are you living on?  Where is 
>> this immigration into Africa and Asia you're talking about?
>>      The people with the common aim of bringing non-whites into 
>>  whtie country ar mostly sick whites, not non-whites.  
>>      Averaging is not regression tot he mean.
>>      Why don't you get some one thing right, and we'll try 
>> again.
>
>1.  I don't know the immigration pattern of any nation-states and never
>implied such.  My only statement on this issue was that nation-states with
>open immmigration policies would eventually act as a sample of the world
>population (for reason see #3)
>
>2.  A group of people delibrately (ie. with the expressed intent) of, and
>systematically destroying itself?  Sorry, don't buy it.  If you can
>explicity prove it then I'll change my mind.



    So you are not aware that white self-hatred is the basis of 
Politically Correct thought, eh?
     Have you been visiting this planet long?  You plan to stay 
a while?



>3.  I have no idea what you mean by 'averaging is not regression to the mean'.
>As far as to my contention:
>	a) Assume open-immigration nation-states act as samples of the
>	   world population
>	then,
>	by the statistical theory of regression towards the mean, in that
>one's best bet of prediction would be the mean, the 'racial' make-up of
>these nation-states will mimic the overall racial make-up of the planet
>(for a further discussion of regression towards the
>mean, see Hayes, William, 'Statistics', Harcourt-Brace, pg 615 and also pg
>29, which discusses Bernouilli theorum).  This is
>the basic theory behind experiments which use people. i.e. if you want to
>see if there are 'racial' differences (in keeping with this ng), obv one
>could not encompass everyone, so you take a large sample and by this
>theory, the make-up of the sample will mimic the population.
>
>There are some problems with my contention.  Will you try and find them or
>just spew written, unsubstantiated noise (ie: instead of just writing 'No
>thats wrong, [this] is right; try footnoting some sources) ?
>
>Sam 
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>+++ All Power to All People +++
>
>" Last night they relieved me of all my sorrows
>  In the darkness they gave me the water of life."
>----------------------------------------------------------------------




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evil Beavis  wrote:
>bob whitaker wrote:
>> 
>> pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu (Philip Kasiecki) wrote:
>> >bob whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
>> >: evil Beavis  wrote:
>> >: >bob whitaker wrote:
>> >: > > (drivel snipped)
>> >: >> >This is the same kind of drivel you posted months ago Bob. Can't
>> >: >> >you do any better or something new??!
>> >
>> >: >>    And nobody ever answers it.  You said : 1) that there was no
>> >: >> evidence non-whites were pouring into white countries
>> >
>> >: >Where did I say this? You should quit lying and putting false words
>> >: >into other people's mouths Bob. Of course I know that many non-whites
>> >: >immigrate into majority white countries.
>> >
>> >: As always, when you people get called on your bald-faced assertions,
>> >: you deny them.
>> >
>> >    Bullshit.  That has nothing to do with it.
>> >
>> >: When I stated colored were pouring into white-majority countries, you
>> >: repeatedly put up the usual cry of "Give me a reference on that!"
>> >
>> >    I don't blame him- after all, you're not exactly a reliable source.
>> >I would want you to give a reference on anything you state.  If you were
>> >a more reliable source, then we might take your word for it.  Since
>> >you're not, you'll have to provide a reference.  If you do, I, and I'm
>> >sure many others, will be convinced.  But don't blame us for the fact
>> >that you have practically zero credibility.
>> >
>> >:     Of course everybody knows this, and it was silly as hell
>> >: for you to keep screaming it wasn't true and i had to prove it.
>> >: Now you not only admit it, you say you never said otherwise.
>> >:      Typical.
>> >
>> >    Bullshit.  Read what I said above, about your credibility.
>> >
>> >: >I just don't see a problem in general with that.
>> >
>> >: >> and then, later, forgetting that, you pointed out that Sweden in
>> >: >> only a decade or two is already ten percent immigrant,and they keep
>> >: >> pouring in and their birth rate is huge.
>> >
>> >: >You're making statements up again Bob. When did I comment on immigrant
>> >: >birthrates in Sweden??
>> >
>> >:    The next thing you will be denying will be that you ever
>> >: denied that the birthrate of immigrants is huge.  For a couple
>> >: of decades, there have been regular articles on the huge
>> >: percentage of births in European hospitals are those of
>> >: immigrants.   Europeans countries have repeatedly been very
>> >: concerned about low birthrates of their own people.
>> >
>> >    Answer the question, you dimwit.  If he said what you claim he did,
>> >prove it.  Try DejaNews, it works wonders.
>> >
>> >: >Please provide the post. I have, however, noted that Sweden has
>> >: >seen a great influx of immigrants since WWII and especially since
>> >: >the 1970's. It is starting to decrease today though.
>> >
>> >: >>     Note the only replies I have had this far are like
>> >: >> Kascieki, "My Mommy Professor says that's not true, you evil
>> >: >> thing!"
>> >: >>     To repeat, this sort ofself-contradiction  and political
>> >: >> Correctness go over big when they are protested from
>> >: >> contradiction under the uiniversity protection of Political
>> >: >> Correctness and Mommy Profesor, but this is the Internet.
>> >
>> >: >I have not much use for Political Correctness either. I just don;t
>> >: >believe being racist, hypocritical, and hateful is any better. How
>> >: >about truthful and rational?
>> >
>> >:     Yeah, right.
>> >
>> >    WTFE.
>> >
>> >        Phil "did someone say clueless?" Kasiecki
>> >
>> >--
>> >Philip T. Kasiecki
>> >Electrical and Computer Engineering
>> >Northeastern University Class of 1999
>> 
>>     This is a repeat, but you clones don't make for much
>> variety.
>>     What ha[ppened was that Little Beaver got caught in a
>> sophomoric trick.  Mommy Professor taught you one way to deal
>> with logic you can't answer when you get outside the fortress
>> of Political Correctness:  What you are to do is to demand
>> references for what everybody already knows, and that keeps you
>> from having to answer the point.
>>      You think this makes you look intellectual, actually it
>> makes you look like a fool.
>>      So Little Beaver said there was no evidence of
>> non-whites pouring into white countries, where was my evidence.
>>  I said he was a silly ass to deny what everybody knew, and he
>> denied denying it.
>>      I pointed out what everybody knows, that the immigrant
>> birth rate is high and the European is low, and Little Beaver
>> says I said he said it.   But the fact is that when you pull
>> this silly  asss little trick of acting like you come from
>> another planet and need references for the obvious, you are
>> going to be accused of denying the obvious.
>>       If you stop being prissy and using such asinine tricks,
>> you will have to deal with points you are normally protected
>> from, so you won't.   You can't protect yourself or Little
>> Beaver from reality.  Go back to your university and talk with
>> the folks who will tell you you're a Great Intellectual and
>> don't have to think.
>> 
>
>I used to believe that you actually had some cognitive abilities hidden
>in your head but the reality is that you're a complete idiot. At least
>one can argue with some of the intelligent racists on this ng like K A
>Strom.
>
>eB


     Little Beaver, you've alreadyy used that line at least 
twice.
    As I said, I'm not actually talking to you and your clones 
anyway.  In our society, universities have become 
publically-financed liberal seminaries, so we have to use 
whatever outlets we can to trade concepts in dealing with 
people like you.  The Internet is beautiful that way.
    Everybody knows hundreds of you on every campus, so I am 
not really worried about impressing you one way or the other.  
My concepts are aimed at those who can use them.



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slaldin@chat.carleton.ca (Sam Laldin) wrote:
>bob whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
>> slaldin@chat.carleton.ca (Sam Laldin) wrote:
>> >bob whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
>> >> evil Beavis  wrote:
>> >> >bob whitaker wrote:
>> >> >> 
>> >> >>    The only countries anybody talks about making "diverse" are
>> >> >> white-majority countries.  The aim is to get rid of whitey, aka
>> >> >> genocide, and in the process to replace all those diverse
>> >> >> nations with a uniform melting pot.
>> >> >>     Some diversity!
>> >> >
>> >> >This is the same kind of drivel you posted months ago Bob. Can't you do
>> >> >any better or something new??!
>> >> >
>> >> >eB
>> >
>> >
>> >>    And nobody ever answers it.  You said : 1) that there was no 
>> >> evidence non-whites were pouring into white countries and then, 
>> >> later, forgetting that, you pointed out that Sweden in only a 
>> >> decade or two is already ten percent immigrant,and they keep 
>> >> pouring in and their birth rate is huge.
>> >>     Note the only replies I have had this far are like 
>> >> Kascieki, "My Mommy Professor says that's not true, you evil 
>> >> thing!"
>> >>     To repeat, this sort ofself-contradiction  and political 
>> >> Correctness go over big when they are protested from 
>> >> contradiction under the uiniversity protection of Political 
>> >> Correctness and Mommy Profesor, but this is the Internet.
>> >
>> >OK, how about this.  Across repeated measures, the measurements tend to
>> >regress towards the mean. Because immigration policies of nation-states
>> >allow them to be essentially samples of the world population and whites
>> >make up a minority of this population, then these samples (re:
>> >nation-states) will also eventually have a minority white population.  As
>> >for the paranoid belief that all non-whites have a single common aim...
>> >yikes, get help.  I like a good conspiricy as much as the next guy but
>> >this is a little too much.
>> >
>> >Sam
>> >
>> >----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >+++ All Power to All People +++
>> >
>> >" Last night they relieved me of all my sorrows
>> >  In the darkness they gave me the water of life."
>> >----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>     Hey dumb-dumb, what planet are you living on?  Where is 
>> this immigration into Africa and Asia you're talking about?
>>      The people with the common aim of bringing non-whites into 
>>  whtie country ar mostly sick whites, not non-whites.  
>>      Averaging is not regression tot he mean.
>>      Why don't you get some one thing right, and we'll try 
>> again.
>
>1.  I don't know the immigration pattern of any nation-states and never
>implied such.  My only statement on this issue was that nation-states with
>open immmigration policies would eventually act as a sample of the world
>population (for reason see #3)
>
>2.  A group of people delibrately (ie. with the expressed intent) of, and
>systematically destroying itself?  Sorry, don't buy it.  If you can
>explicity prove it then I'll change my mind.



    So you are not aware that white self-hatred is the basis of 
Politically Correct thought, eh?
     Have you been visiting this planet long?  You plan to stay 
a while?



>3.  I have no idea what you mean by 'averaging is not regression to the mean'.
>As far as to my contention:
>	a) Assume open-immigration nation-states act as samples of the
>	   world population
>	then,
>	by the statistical theory of regression towards the mean, in that
>one's best bet of prediction would be the mean, the 'racial' make-up of
>these nation-states will mimic the overall racial make-up of the planet
>(for a further discussion of regression towards the
>mean, see Hayes, William, 'Statistics', Harcourt-Brace, pg 615 and also pg
>29, which discusses Bernouilli theorum).  This is
>the basic theory behind experiments which use people. i.e. if you want to
>see if there are 'racial' differences (in keeping with this ng), obv one
>could not encompass everyone, so you take a large sample and by this
>theory, the make-up of the sample will mimic the population.
>
>There are some problems with my contention.  Will you try and find them or
>just spew written, unsubstantiated noise (ie: instead of just writing 'No
>thats wrong, [this] is right; try footnoting some sources) ?
>
>Sam 
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>+++ All Power to All People +++
>
>" Last night they relieved me of all my sorrows
>  In the darkness they gave me the water of life."
>----------------------------------------------------------------------




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slaldin@chat.carleton.ca (Sam Laldin) wrote:
>bob whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
>> slaldin@chat.carleton.ca (Sam Laldin) wrote:
>> >bob whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
>> >> evil Beavis  wrote:
>> >> >bob whitaker wrote:
>> >> >> 
>> >> >>    The only countries anybody talks about making "diverse" are
>> >> >> white-majority countries.  The aim is to get rid of whitey, aka
>> >> >> genocide, and in the process to replace all those diverse
>> >> >> nations with a uniform melting pot.
>> >> >>     Some diversity!
>> >> >
>> >> >This is the same kind of drivel you posted months ago Bob. Can't you do
>> >> >any better or something new??!
>> >> >
>> >> >eB
>> >
>> >
>> >>    And nobody ever answers it.  You said : 1) that there was no 
>> >> evidence non-whites were pouring into white countries and then, 
>> >> later, forgetting that, you pointed out that Sweden in only a 
>> >> decade or two is already ten percent immigrant,and they keep 
>> >> pouring in and their birth rate is huge.
>> >>     Note the only replies I have had this far are like 
>> >> Kascieki, "My Mommy Professor says that's not true, you evil 
>> >> thing!"
>> >>     To repeat, this sort ofself-contradiction  and political 
>> >> Correctness go over big when they are protested from 
>> >> contradiction under the uiniversity protection of Political 
>> >> Correctness and Mommy Profesor, but this is the Internet.
>> >
>> >OK, how about this.  Across repeated measures, the measurements tend to
>> >regress towards the mean. Because immigration policies of nation-states
>> >allow them to be essentially samples of the world population and whites
>> >make up a minority of this population, then these samples (re:
>> >nation-states) will also eventually have a minority white population.  As
>> >for the paranoid belief that all non-whites have a single common aim...
>> >yikes, get help.  I like a good conspiricy as much as the next guy but
>> >this is a little too much.
>> >
>> >Sam
>> >
>> >----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >+++ All Power to All People +++
>> >
>> >" Last night they relieved me of all my sorrows
>> >  In the darkness they gave me the water of life."
>> >----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>     Hey dumb-dumb, what planet are you living on?  Where is 
>> this immigration into Africa and Asia you're talking about?
>>      The people with the common aim of bringing non-whites into 
>>  whtie country ar mostly sick whites, not non-whites.  
>>      Averaging is not regression tot he mean.
>>      Why don't you get some one thing right, and we'll try 
>> again.
>
>1.  I don't know the immigration pattern of any nation-states and never
>implied such.  My only statement on this issue was that nation-states with
>open immmigration policies would eventually act as a sample of the world
>population (for reason see #3)
>
>2.  A group of people delibrately (ie. with the expressed intent) of, and
>systematically destroying itself?  Sorry, don't buy it.  If you can
>explicity prove it then I'll change my mind.



    So you are not aware that white self-hatred is the basis of 
Politically Correct thought, eh?
     Have you been visiting this planet long?  You plan to stay 
a while?



>3.  I have no idea what you mean by 'averaging is not regression to the mean'.
>As far as to my contention:
>	a) Assume open-immigration nation-states act as samples of the
>	   world population
>	then,
>	by the statistical theory of regression towards the mean, in that
>one's best bet of prediction would be the mean, the 'racial' make-up of
>these nation-states will mimic the overall racial make-up of the planet
>(for a further discussion of regression towards the
>mean, see Hayes, William, 'Statistics', Harcourt-Brace, pg 615 and also pg
>29, which discusses Bernouilli theorum).  This is
>the basic theory behind experiments which use people. i.e. if you want to
>see if there are 'racial' differences (in keeping with this ng), obv one
>could not encompass everyone, so you take a large sample and by this
>theory, the make-up of the sample will mimic the population.
>
>There are some problems with my contention.  Will you try and find them or
>just spew written, unsubstantiated noise (ie: instead of just writing 'No
>thats wrong, [this] is right; try footnoting some sources) ?
>
>Sam 
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>+++ All Power to All People +++
>
>" Last night they relieved me of all my sorrows
>  In the darkness they gave me the water of life."
>----------------------------------------------------------------------




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slaldin@chat.carleton.ca (Sam Laldin) wrote:
>bob whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
>> slaldin@chat.carleton.ca (Sam Laldin) wrote:
>> >bob whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
>> >> evil Beavis  wrote:
>> >> >bob whitaker wrote:
>> >> >> 
>> >> >>    The only countries anybody talks about making "diverse" are
>> >> >> white-majority countries.  The aim is to get rid of whitey, aka
>> >> >> genocide, and in the process to replace all those diverse
>> >> >> nations with a uniform melting pot.
>> >> >>     Some diversity!
>> >> >
>> >> >This is the same kind of drivel you posted months ago Bob. Can't you do
>> >> >any better or something new??!
>> >> >
>> >> >eB
>> >
>> >
>> >>    And nobody ever answers it.  You said : 1) that there was no 
>> >> evidence non-whites were pouring into white countries and then, 
>> >> later, forgetting that, you pointed out that Sweden in only a 
>> >> decade or two is already ten percent immigrant,and they keep 
>> >> pouring in and their birth rate is huge.
>> >>     Note the only replies I have had this far are like 
>> >> Kascieki, "My Mommy Professor says that's not true, you evil 
>> >> thing!"
>> >>     To repeat, this sort ofself-contradiction  and political 
>> >> Correctness go over big when they are protested from 
>> >> contradiction under the uiniversity protection of Political 
>> >> Correctness and Mommy Profesor, but this is the Internet.
>> >
>> >OK, how about this.  Across repeated measures, the measurements tend to
>> >regress towards the mean. Because immigration policies of nation-states
>> >allow them to be essentially samples of the world population and whites
>> >make up a minority of this population, then these samples (re:
>> >nation-states) will also eventually have a minority white population.  As
>> >for the paranoid belief that all non-whites have a single common aim...
>> >yikes, get help.  I like a good conspiricy as much as the next guy but
>> >this is a little too much.
>> >
>> >Sam
>> >
>> >----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >+++ All Power to All People +++
>> >
>> >" Last night they relieved me of all my sorrows
>> >  In the darkness they gave me the water of life."
>> >----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>     Hey dumb-dumb, what planet are you living on?  Where is 
>> this immigration into Africa and Asia you're talking about?
>>      The people with the common aim of bringing non-whites into 
>>  whtie country ar mostly sick whites, not non-whites.  
>>      Averaging is not regression tot he mean.
>>      Why don't you get some one thing right, and we'll try 
>> again.
>
>1.  I don't know the immigration pattern of any nation-states and never
>implied such.  My only statement on this issue was that nation-states with
>open immmigration policies would eventually act as a sample of the world
>population (for reason see #3)
>
>2.  A group of people delibrately (ie. with the expressed intent) of, and
>systematically destroying itself?  Sorry, don't buy it.  If you can
>explicity prove it then I'll change my mind.



    So you are not aware that white self-hatred is the basis of 
Politically Correct thought, eh?
     Have you been visiting this planet long?  You plan to stay 
a while?



>3.  I have no idea what you mean by 'averaging is not regression to the mean'.
>As far as to my contention:
>	a) Assume open-immigration nation-states act as samples of the
>	   world population
>	then,
>	by the statistical theory of regression towards the mean, in that
>one's best bet of prediction would be the mean, the 'racial' make-up of
>these nation-states will mimic the overall racial make-up of the planet
>(for a further discussion of regression towards the
>mean, see Hayes, William, 'Statistics', Harcourt-Brace, pg 615 and also pg
>29, which discusses Bernouilli theorum).  This is
>the basic theory behind experiments which use people. i.e. if you want to
>see if there are 'racial' differences (in keeping with this ng), obv one
>could not encompass everyone, so you take a large sample and by this
>theory, the make-up of the sample will mimic the population.
>
>There are some problems with my contention.  Will you try and find them or
>just spew written, unsubstantiated noise (ie: instead of just writing 'No
>thats wrong, [this] is right; try footnoting some sources) ?
>
>Sam 
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>+++ All Power to All People +++
>
>" Last night they relieved me of all my sorrows
>  In the darkness they gave me the water of life."
>----------------------------------------------------------------------




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slaldin@chat.carleton.ca (Sam Laldin) wrote:
>bob whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
>> slaldin@chat.carleton.ca (Sam Laldin) wrote:
>> >bob whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
>> >> evil Beavis  wrote:
>> >> >bob whitaker wrote:
>> >> >> 
>> >> >>    The only countries anybody talks about making "diverse" are
>> >> >> white-majority countries.  The aim is to get rid of whitey, aka
>> >> >> genocide, and in the process to replace all those diverse
>> >> >> nations with a uniform melting pot.
>> >> >>     Some diversity!
>> >> >
>> >> >This is the same kind of drivel you posted months ago Bob. Can't you do
>> >> >any better or something new??!
>> >> >
>> >> >eB
>> >
>> >
>> >>    And nobody ever answers it.  You said : 1) that there was no 
>> >> evidence non-whites were pouring into white countries and then, 
>> >> later, forgetting that, you pointed out that Sweden in only a 
>> >> decade or two is already ten percent immigrant,and they keep 
>> >> pouring in and their birth rate is huge.
>> >>     Note the only replies I have had this far are like 
>> >> Kascieki, "My Mommy Professor says that's not true, you evil 
>> >> thing!"
>> >>     To repeat, this sort ofself-contradiction  and political 
>> >> Correctness go over big when they are protested from 
>> >> contradiction under the uiniversity protection of Political 
>> >> Correctness and Mommy Profesor, but this is the Internet.
>> >
>> >OK, how about this.  Across repeated measures, the measurements tend to
>> >regress towards the mean. Because immigration policies of nation-states
>> >allow them to be essentially samples of the world population and whites
>> >make up a minority of this population, then these samples (re:
>> >nation-states) will also eventually have a minority white population.  As
>> >for the paranoid belief that all non-whites have a single common aim...
>> >yikes, get help.  I like a good conspiricy as much as the next guy but
>> >this is a little too much.
>> >
>> >Sam
>> >
>> >----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >+++ All Power to All People +++
>> >
>> >" Last night they relieved me of all my sorrows
>> >  In the darkness they gave me the water of life."
>> >----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>     Hey dumb-dumb, what planet are you living on?  Where is 
>> this immigration into Africa and Asia you're talking about?
>>      The people with the common aim of bringing non-whites into 
>>  whtie country ar mostly sick whites, not non-whites.  
>>      Averaging is not regression tot he mean.
>>      Why don't you get some one thing right, and we'll try 
>> again.
>
>1.  I don't know the immigration pattern of any nation-states and never
>implied such.  My only statement on this issue was that nation-states with
>open immmigration policies would eventually act as a sample of the world
>population (for reason see #3)
>
>2.  A group of people delibrately (ie. with the expressed intent) of, and
>systematically destroying itself?  Sorry, don't buy it.  If you can
>explicity prove it then I'll change my mind.



    So you are not aware that white self-hatred is the basis of 
Politically Correct thought, eh?
     Have you been visiting this planet long?  You plan to stay 
a while?



>3.  I have no idea what you mean by 'averaging is not regression to the mean'.
>As far as to my contention:
>	a) Assume open-immigration nation-states act as samples of the
>	   world population
>	then,
>	by the statistical theory of regression towards the mean, in that
>one's best bet of prediction would be the mean, the 'racial' make-up of
>these nation-states will mimic the overall racial make-up of the planet
>(for a further discussion of regression towards the
>mean, see Hayes, William, 'Statistics', Harcourt-Brace, pg 615 and also pg
>29, which discusses Bernouilli theorum).  This is
>the basic theory behind experiments which use people. i.e. if you want to
>see if there are 'racial' differences (in keeping with this ng), obv one
>could not encompass everyone, so you take a large sample and by this
>theory, the make-up of the sample will mimic the population.
>
>There are some problems with my contention.  Will you try and find them or
>just spew written, unsubstantiated noise (ie: instead of just writing 'No
>thats wrong, [this] is right; try footnoting some sources) ?
>
>Sam 
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>+++ All Power to All People +++
>
>" Last night they relieved me of all my sorrows
>  In the darkness they gave me the water of life."
>----------------------------------------------------------------------




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evil Beavis  wrote:
>bob whitaker wrote:
>> 
>> pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu (Philip Kasiecki) wrote:
>> >bob whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
>> >: evil Beavis  wrote:
>> >: >bob whitaker wrote:
>> >: > > (drivel snipped)
>> >: >> >This is the same kind of drivel you posted months ago Bob. Can't
>> >: >> >you do any better or something new??!
>> >
>> >: >>    And nobody ever answers it.  You said : 1) that there was no
>> >: >> evidence non-whites were pouring into white countries
>> >
>> >: >Where did I say this? You should quit lying and putting false words
>> >: >into other people's mouths Bob. Of course I know that many non-whites
>> >: >immigrate into majority white countries.
>> >
>> >: As always, when you people get called on your bald-faced assertions,
>> >: you deny them.
>> >
>> >    Bullshit.  That has nothing to do with it.
>> >
>> >: When I stated colored were pouring into white-majority countries, you
>> >: repeatedly put up the usual cry of "Give me a reference on that!"
>> >
>> >    I don't blame him- after all, you're not exactly a reliable source.
>> >I would want you to give a reference on anything you state.  If you were
>> >a more reliable source, then we might take your word for it.  Since
>> >you're not, you'll have to provide a reference.  If you do, I, and I'm
>> >sure many others, will be convinced.  But don't blame us for the fact
>> >that you have practically zero credibility.
>> >
>> >:     Of course everybody knows this, and it was silly as hell
>> >: for you to keep screaming it wasn't true and i had to prove it.
>> >: Now you not only admit it, you say you never said otherwise.
>> >:      Typical.
>> >
>> >    Bullshit.  Read what I said above, about your credibility.
>> >
>> >: >I just don't see a problem in general with that.
>> >
>> >: >> and then, later, forgetting that, you pointed out that Sweden in
>> >: >> only a decade or two is already ten percent immigrant,and they keep
>> >: >> pouring in and their birth rate is huge.
>> >
>> >: >You're making statements up again Bob. When did I comment on immigrant
>> >: >birthrates in Sweden??
>> >
>> >:    The next thing you will be denying will be that you ever
>> >: denied that the birthrate of immigrants is huge.  For a couple
>> >: of decades, there have been regular articles on the huge
>> >: percentage of births in European hospitals are those of
>> >: immigrants.   Europeans countries have repeatedly been very
>> >: concerned about low birthrates of their own people.
>> >
>> >    Answer the question, you dimwit.  If he said what you claim he did,
>> >prove it.  Try DejaNews, it works wonders.
>> >
>> >: >Please provide the post. I have, however, noted that Sweden has
>> >: >seen a great influx of immigrants since WWII and especially since
>> >: >the 1970's. It is starting to decrease today though.
>> >
>> >: >>     Note the only replies I have had this far are like
>> >: >> Kascieki, "My Mommy Professor says that's not true, you evil
>> >: >> thing!"
>> >: >>     To repeat, this sort ofself-contradiction  and political
>> >: >> Correctness go over big when they are protested from
>> >: >> contradiction under the uiniversity protection of Political
>> >: >> Correctness and Mommy Profesor, but this is the Internet.
>> >
>> >: >I have not much use for Political Correctness either. I just don;t
>> >: >believe being racist, hypocritical, and hateful is any better. How
>> >: >about truthful and rational?
>> >
>> >:     Yeah, right.
>> >
>> >    WTFE.
>> >
>> >        Phil "did someone say clueless?" Kasiecki
>> >
>> >--
>> >Philip T. Kasiecki
>> >Electrical and Computer Engineering
>> >Northeastern University Class of 1999
>> 
>>     This is a repeat, but you clones don't make for much
>> variety.
>>     What ha[ppened was that Little Beaver got caught in a
>> sophomoric trick.  Mommy Professor taught you one way to deal
>> with logic you can't answer when you get outside the fortress
>> of Political Correctness:  What you are to do is to demand
>> references for what everybody already knows, and that keeps you
>> from having to answer the point.
>>      You think this makes you look intellectual, actually it
>> makes you look like a fool.
>>      So Little Beaver said there was no evidence of
>> non-whites pouring into white countries, where was my evidence.
>>  I said he was a silly ass to deny what everybody knew, and he
>> denied denying it.
>>      I pointed out what everybody knows, that the immigrant
>> birth rate is high and the European is low, and Little Beaver
>> says I said he said it.   But the fact is that when you pull
>> this silly  asss little trick of acting like you come from
>> another planet and need references for the obvious, you are
>> going to be accused of denying the obvious.
>>       If you stop being prissy and using such asinine tricks,
>> you will have to deal with points you are normally protected
>> from, so you won't.   You can't protect yourself or Little
>> Beaver from reality.  Go back to your university and talk with
>> the folks who will tell you you're a Great Intellectual and
>> don't have to think.
>> 
>
>I used to believe that you actually had some cognitive abilities hidden
>in your head but the reality is that you're a complete idiot. At least
>one can argue with some of the intelligent racists on this ng like K A
>Strom.
>
>eB


     Little Beaver, you've alreadyy used that line at least 
twice.
    As I said, I'm not actually talking to you and your clones 
anyway.  In our society, universities have become 
publically-financed liberal seminaries, so we have to use 
whatever outlets we can to trade concepts in dealing with 
people like you.  The Internet is beautiful that way.
    Everybody knows hundreds of you on every campus, so I am 
not really worried about impressing you one way or the other.  
My concepts are aimed at those who can use them.



From bwhit@conterra.com Fri Aug  9 09:36:23 PDT 1996
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slaldin@chat.carleton.ca (Sam Laldin) wrote:
>bob whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
>> slaldin@chat.carleton.ca (Sam Laldin) wrote:
>> >bob whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
>> >> evil Beavis  wrote:
>> >> >bob whitaker wrote:
>> >> >> 
>> >> >>    The only countries anybody talks about making "diverse" are
>> >> >> white-majority countries.  The aim is to get rid of whitey, aka
>> >> >> genocide, and in the process to replace all those diverse
>> >> >> nations with a uniform melting pot.
>> >> >>     Some diversity!
>> >> >
>> >> >This is the same kind of drivel you posted months ago Bob. Can't you do
>> >> >any better or something new??!
>> >> >
>> >> >eB
>> >
>> >
>> >>    And nobody ever answers it.  You said : 1) that there was no 
>> >> evidence non-whites were pouring into white countries and then, 
>> >> later, forgetting that, you pointed out that Sweden in only a 
>> >> decade or two is already ten percent immigrant,and they keep 
>> >> pouring in and their birth rate is huge.
>> >>     Note the only replies I have had this far are like 
>> >> Kascieki, "My Mommy Professor says that's not true, you evil 
>> >> thing!"
>> >>     To repeat, this sort ofself-contradiction  and political 
>> >> Correctness go over big when they are protested from 
>> >> contradiction under the uiniversity protection of Political 
>> >> Correctness and Mommy Profesor, but this is the Internet.
>> >
>> >OK, how about this.  Across repeated measures, the measurements tend to
>> >regress towards the mean. Because immigration policies of nation-states
>> >allow them to be essentially samples of the world population and whites
>> >make up a minority of this population, then these samples (re:
>> >nation-states) will also eventually have a minority white population.  As
>> >for the paranoid belief that all non-whites have a single common aim...
>> >yikes, get help.  I like a good conspiricy as much as the next guy but
>> >this is a little too much.
>> >
>> >Sam
>> >
>> >----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >+++ All Power to All People +++
>> >
>> >" Last night they relieved me of all my sorrows
>> >  In the darkness they gave me the water of life."
>> >----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>     Hey dumb-dumb, what planet are you living on?  Where is 
>> this immigration into Africa and Asia you're talking about?
>>      The people with the common aim of bringing non-whites into 
>>  whtie country ar mostly sick whites, not non-whites.  
>>      Averaging is not regression tot he mean.
>>      Why don't you get some one thing right, and we'll try 
>> again.
>
>1.  I don't know the immigration pattern of any nation-states and never
>implied such.  My only statement on this issue was that nation-states with
>open immmigration policies would eventually act as a sample of the world
>population (for reason see #3)
>
>2.  A group of people delibrately (ie. with the expressed intent) of, and
>systematically destroying itself?  Sorry, don't buy it.  If you can
>explicity prove it then I'll change my mind.



    So you are not aware that white self-hatred is the basis of 
Politically Correct thought, eh?
     Have you been visiting this planet long?  You plan to stay 
a while?



>3.  I have no idea what you mean by 'averaging is not regression to the mean'.
>As far as to my contention:
>	a) Assume open-immigration nation-states act as samples of the
>	   world population
>	then,
>	by the statistical theory of regression towards the mean, in that
>one's best bet of prediction would be the mean, the 'racial' make-up of
>these nation-states will mimic the overall racial make-up of the planet
>(for a further discussion of regression towards the
>mean, see Hayes, William, 'Statistics', Harcourt-Brace, pg 615 and also pg
>29, which discusses Bernouilli theorum).  This is
>the basic theory behind experiments which use people. i.e. if you want to
>see if there are 'racial' differences (in keeping with this ng), obv one
>could not encompass everyone, so you take a large sample and by this
>theory, the make-up of the sample will mimic the population.
>
>There are some problems with my contention.  Will you try and find them or
>just spew written, unsubstantiated noise (ie: instead of just writing 'No
>thats wrong, [this] is right; try footnoting some sources) ?
>
>Sam 
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>+++ All Power to All People +++
>
>" Last night they relieved me of all my sorrows
>  In the darkness they gave me the water of life."
>----------------------------------------------------------------------




From bwhit@conterra.com Fri Aug  9 09:36:24 PDT 1996
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slaldin@chat.carleton.ca (Sam Laldin) wrote:
>bob whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
>> slaldin@chat.carleton.ca (Sam Laldin) wrote:
>> >bob whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
>> >> evil Beavis  wrote:
>> >> >bob whitaker wrote:
>> >> >> 
>> >> >>    The only countries anybody talks about making "diverse" are
>> >> >> white-majority countries.  The aim is to get rid of whitey, aka
>> >> >> genocide, and in the process to replace all those diverse
>> >> >> nations with a uniform melting pot.
>> >> >>     Some diversity!
>> >> >
>> >> >This is the same kind of drivel you posted months ago Bob. Can't you do
>> >> >any better or something new??!
>> >> >
>> >> >eB
>> >
>> >
>> >>    And nobody ever answers it.  You said : 1) that there was no 
>> >> evidence non-whites were pouring into white countries and then, 
>> >> later, forgetting that, you pointed out that Sweden in only a 
>> >> decade or two is already ten percent immigrant,and they keep 
>> >> pouring in and their birth rate is huge.
>> >>     Note the only replies I have had this far are like 
>> >> Kascieki, "My Mommy Professor says that's not true, you evil 
>> >> thing!"
>> >>     To repeat, this sort ofself-contradiction  and political 
>> >> Correctness go over big when they are protested from 
>> >> contradiction under the uiniversity protection of Political 
>> >> Correctness and Mommy Profesor, but this is the Internet.
>> >
>> >OK, how about this.  Across repeated measures, the measurements tend to
>> >regress towards the mean. Because immigration policies of nation-states
>> >allow them to be essentially samples of the world population and whites
>> >make up a minority of this population, then these samples (re:
>> >nation-states) will also eventually have a minority white population.  As
>> >for the paranoid belief that all non-whites have a single common aim...
>> >yikes, get help.  I like a good conspiricy as much as the next guy but
>> >this is a little too much.
>> >
>> >Sam
>> >
>> >----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >+++ All Power to All People +++
>> >
>> >" Last night they relieved me of all my sorrows
>> >  In the darkness they gave me the water of life."
>> >----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>     Hey dumb-dumb, what planet are you living on?  Where is 
>> this immigration into Africa and Asia you're talking about?
>>      The people with the common aim of bringing non-whites into 
>>  whtie country ar mostly sick whites, not non-whites.  
>>      Averaging is not regression tot he mean.
>>      Why don't you get some one thing right, and we'll try 
>> again.
>
>1.  I don't know the immigration pattern of any nation-states and never
>implied such.  My only statement on this issue was that nation-states with
>open immmigration policies would eventually act as a sample of the world
>population (for reason see #3)
>
>2.  A group of people delibrately (ie. with the expressed intent) of, and
>systematically destroying itself?  Sorry, don't buy it.  If you can
>explicity prove it then I'll change my mind.



    So you are not aware that white self-hatred is the basis of 
Politically Correct thought, eh?
     Have you been visiting this planet long?  You plan to stay 
a while?



>3.  I have no idea what you mean by 'averaging is not regression to the mean'.
>As far as to my contention:
>	a) Assume open-immigration nation-states act as samples of the
>	   world population
>	then,
>	by the statistical theory of regression towards the mean, in that
>one's best bet of prediction would be the mean, the 'racial' make-up of
>these nation-states will mimic the overall racial make-up of the planet
>(for a further discussion of regression towards the
>mean, see Hayes, William, 'Statistics', Harcourt-Brace, pg 615 and also pg
>29, which discusses Bernouilli theorum).  This is
>the basic theory behind experiments which use people. i.e. if you want to
>see if there are 'racial' differences (in keeping with this ng), obv one
>could not encompass everyone, so you take a large sample and by this
>theory, the make-up of the sample will mimic the population.
>
>There are some problems with my contention.  Will you try and find them or
>just spew written, unsubstantiated noise (ie: instead of just writing 'No
>thats wrong, [this] is right; try footnoting some sources) ?
>
>Sam 
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>+++ All Power to All People +++
>
>" Last night they relieved me of all my sorrows
>  In the darkness they gave me the water of life."
>----------------------------------------------------------------------




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slaldin@chat.carleton.ca (Sam Laldin) wrote:
>bob whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
>> slaldin@chat.carleton.ca (Sam Laldin) wrote:
>> >bob whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
>> >> evil Beavis  wrote:
>> >> >bob whitaker wrote:
>> >> >> 
>> >> >>    The only countries anybody talks about making "diverse" are
>> >> >> white-majority countries.  The aim is to get rid of whitey, aka
>> >> >> genocide, and in the process to replace all those diverse
>> >> >> nations with a uniform melting pot.
>> >> >>     Some diversity!
>> >> >
>> >> >This is the same kind of drivel you posted months ago Bob. Can't you do
>> >> >any better or something new??!
>> >> >
>> >> >eB
>> >
>> >
>> >>    And nobody ever answers it.  You said : 1) that there was no 
>> >> evidence non-whites were pouring into white countries and then, 
>> >> later, forgetting that, you pointed out that Sweden in only a 
>> >> decade or two is already ten percent immigrant,and they keep 
>> >> pouring in and their birth rate is huge.
>> >>     Note the only replies I have had this far are like 
>> >> Kascieki, "My Mommy Professor says that's not true, you evil 
>> >> thing!"
>> >>     To repeat, this sort ofself-contradiction  and political 
>> >> Correctness go over big when they are protested from 
>> >> contradiction under the uiniversity protection of Political 
>> >> Correctness and Mommy Profesor, but this is the Internet.
>> >
>> >OK, how about this.  Across repeated measures, the measurements tend to
>> >regress towards the mean. Because immigration policies of nation-states
>> >allow them to be essentially samples of the world population and whites
>> >make up a minority of this population, then these samples (re:
>> >nation-states) will also eventually have a minority white population.  As
>> >for the paranoid belief that all non-whites have a single common aim...
>> >yikes, get help.  I like a good conspiricy as much as the next guy but
>> >this is a little too much.
>> >
>> >Sam
>> >
>> >----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >+++ All Power to All People +++
>> >
>> >" Last night they relieved me of all my sorrows
>> >  In the darkness they gave me the water of life."
>> >----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>     Hey dumb-dumb, what planet are you living on?  Where is 
>> this immigration into Africa and Asia you're talking about?
>>      The people with the common aim of bringing non-whites into 
>>  whtie country ar mostly sick whites, not non-whites.  
>>      Averaging is not regression tot he mean.
>>      Why don't you get some one thing right, and we'll try 
>> again.
>
>1.  I don't know the immigration pattern of any nation-states and never
>implied such.  My only statement on this issue was that nation-states with
>open immmigration policies would eventually act as a sample of the world
>population (for reason see #3)
>
>2.  A group of people delibrately (ie. with the expressed intent) of, and
>systematically destroying itself?  Sorry, don't buy it.  If you can
>explicity prove it then I'll change my mind.



    So you are not aware that white self-hatred is the basis of 
Politically Correct thought, eh?
     Have you been visiting this planet long?  You plan to stay 
a while?



>3.  I have no idea what you mean by 'averaging is not regression to the mean'.
>As far as to my contention:
>	a) Assume open-immigration nation-states act as samples of the
>	   world population
>	then,
>	by the statistical theory of regression towards the mean, in that
>one's best bet of prediction would be the mean, the 'racial' make-up of
>these nation-states will mimic the overall racial make-up of the planet
>(for a further discussion of regression towards the
>mean, see Hayes, William, 'Statistics', Harcourt-Brace, pg 615 and also pg
>29, which discusses Bernouilli theorum).  This is
>the basic theory behind experiments which use people. i.e. if you want to
>see if there are 'racial' differences (in keeping with this ng), obv one
>could not encompass everyone, so you take a large sample and by this
>theory, the make-up of the sample will mimic the population.
>
>There are some problems with my contention.  Will you try and find them or
>just spew written, unsubstantiated noise (ie: instead of just writing 'No
>thats wrong, [this] is right; try footnoting some sources) ?
>
>Sam 
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>+++ All Power to All People +++
>
>" Last night they relieved me of all my sorrows
>  In the darkness they gave me the water of life."
>----------------------------------------------------------------------




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From: bob whitaker 
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slaldin@chat.carleton.ca (Sam Laldin) wrote:
>bob whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
>> slaldin@chat.carleton.ca (Sam Laldin) wrote:
>> >bob whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
>> >> evil Beavis  wrote:
>> >> >bob whitaker wrote:
>> >> >> 
>> >> >>    The only countries anybody talks about making "diverse" are
>> >> >> white-majority countries.  The aim is to get rid of whitey, aka
>> >> >> genocide, and in the process to replace all those diverse
>> >> >> nations with a uniform melting pot.
>> >> >>     Some diversity!
>> >> >
>> >> >This is the same kind of drivel you posted months ago Bob. Can't you do
>> >> >any better or something new??!
>> >> >
>> >> >eB
>> >
>> >
>> >>    And nobody ever answers it.  You said : 1) that there was no 
>> >> evidence non-whites were pouring into white countries and then, 
>> >> later, forgetting that, you pointed out that Sweden in only a 
>> >> decade or two is already ten percent immigrant,and they keep 
>> >> pouring in and their birth rate is huge.
>> >>     Note the only replies I have had this far are like 
>> >> Kascieki, "My Mommy Professor says that's not true, you evil 
>> >> thing!"
>> >>     To repeat, this sort ofself-contradiction  and political 
>> >> Correctness go over big when they are protested from 
>> >> contradiction under the uiniversity protection of Political 
>> >> Correctness and Mommy Profesor, but this is the Internet.
>> >
>> >OK, how about this.  Across repeated measures, the measurements tend to
>> >regress towards the mean. Because immigration policies of nation-states
>> >allow them to be essentially samples of the world population and whites
>> >make up a minority of this population, then these samples (re:
>> >nation-states) will also eventually have a minority white population.  As
>> >for the paranoid belief that all non-whites have a single common aim...
>> >yikes, get help.  I like a good conspiricy as much as the next guy but
>> >this is a little too much.
>> >
>> >Sam
>> >
>> >----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >+++ All Power to All People +++
>> >
>> >" Last night they relieved me of all my sorrows
>> >  In the darkness they gave me the water of life."
>> >----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>     Hey dumb-dumb, what planet are you living on?  Where is 
>> this immigration into Africa and Asia you're talking about?
>>      The people with the common aim of bringing non-whites into 
>>  whtie country ar mostly sick whites, not non-whites.  
>>      Averaging is not regression tot he mean.
>>      Why don't you get some one thing right, and we'll try 
>> again.
>
>1.  I don't know the immigration pattern of any nation-states and never
>implied such.  My only statement on this issue was that nation-states with
>open immmigration policies would eventually act as a sample of the world
>population (for reason see #3)
>
>2.  A group of people delibrately (ie. with the expressed intent) of, and
>systematically destroying itself?  Sorry, don't buy it.  If you can
>explicity prove it then I'll change my mind.



    So you are not aware that white self-hatred is the basis of 
Politically Correct thought, eh?
     Have you been visiting this planet long?  You plan to stay 
a while?



>3.  I have no idea what you mean by 'averaging is not regression to the mean'.
>As far as to my contention:
>	a) Assume open-immigration nation-states act as samples of the
>	   world population
>	then,
>	by the statistical theory of regression towards the mean, in that
>one's best bet of prediction would be the mean, the 'racial' make-up of
>these nation-states will mimic the overall racial make-up of the planet
>(for a further discussion of regression towards the
>mean, see Hayes, William, 'Statistics', Harcourt-Brace, pg 615 and also pg
>29, which discusses Bernouilli theorum).  This is
>the basic theory behind experiments which use people. i.e. if you want to
>see if there are 'racial' differences (in keeping with this ng), obv one
>could not encompass everyone, so you take a large sample and by this
>theory, the make-up of the sample will mimic the population.
>
>There are some problems with my contention.  Will you try and find them or
>just spew written, unsubstantiated noise (ie: instead of just writing 'No
>thats wrong, [this] is right; try footnoting some sources) ?
>
>Sam 
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>+++ All Power to All People +++
>
>" Last night they relieved me of all my sorrows
>  In the darkness they gave me the water of life."
>----------------------------------------------------------------------




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evil Beavis  wrote:
>bob whitaker wrote:
>> 
>> pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu (Philip Kasiecki) wrote:
>> >bob whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
>> >: evil Beavis  wrote:
>> >: >bob whitaker wrote:
>> >: > > (drivel snipped)
>> >: >> >This is the same kind of drivel you posted months ago Bob. Can't
>> >: >> >you do any better or something new??!
>> >
>> >: >>    And nobody ever answers it.  You said : 1) that there was no
>> >: >> evidence non-whites were pouring into white countries
>> >
>> >: >Where did I say this? You should quit lying and putting false words
>> >: >into other people's mouths Bob. Of course I know that many non-whites
>> >: >immigrate into majority white countries.
>> >
>> >: As always, when you people get called on your bald-faced assertions,
>> >: you deny them.
>> >
>> >    Bullshit.  That has nothing to do with it.
>> >
>> >: When I stated colored were pouring into white-majority countries, you
>> >: repeatedly put up the usual cry of "Give me a reference on that!"
>> >
>> >    I don't blame him- after all, you're not exactly a reliable source.
>> >I would want you to give a reference on anything you state.  If you were
>> >a more reliable source, then we might take your word for it.  Since
>> >you're not, you'll have to provide a reference.  If you do, I, and I'm
>> >sure many others, will be convinced.  But don't blame us for the fact
>> >that you have practically zero credibility.
>> >
>> >:     Of course everybody knows this, and it was silly as hell
>> >: for you to keep screaming it wasn't true and i had to prove it.
>> >: Now you not only admit it, you say you never said otherwise.
>> >:      Typical.
>> >
>> >    Bullshit.  Read what I said above, about your credibility.
>> >
>> >: >I just don't see a problem in general with that.
>> >
>> >: >> and then, later, forgetting that, you pointed out that Sweden in
>> >: >> only a decade or two is already ten percent immigrant,and they keep
>> >: >> pouring in and their birth rate is huge.
>> >
>> >: >You're making statements up again Bob. When did I comment on immigrant
>> >: >birthrates in Sweden??
>> >
>> >:    The next thing you will be denying will be that you ever
>> >: denied that the birthrate of immigrants is huge.  For a couple
>> >: of decades, there have been regular articles on the huge
>> >: percentage of births in European hospitals are those of
>> >: immigrants.   Europeans countries have repeatedly been very
>> >: concerned about low birthrates of their own people.
>> >
>> >    Answer the question, you dimwit.  If he said what you claim he did,
>> >prove it.  Try DejaNews, it works wonders.
>> >
>> >: >Please provide the post. I have, however, noted that Sweden has
>> >: >seen a great influx of immigrants since WWII and especially since
>> >: >the 1970's. It is starting to decrease today though.
>> >
>> >: >>     Note the only replies I have had this far are like
>> >: >> Kascieki, "My Mommy Professor says that's not true, you evil
>> >: >> thing!"
>> >: >>     To repeat, this sort ofself-contradiction  and political
>> >: >> Correctness go over big when they are protested from
>> >: >> contradiction under the uiniversity protection of Political
>> >: >> Correctness and Mommy Profesor, but this is the Internet.
>> >
>> >: >I have not much use for Political Correctness either. I just don;t
>> >: >believe being racist, hypocritical, and hateful is any better. How
>> >: >about truthful and rational?
>> >
>> >:     Yeah, right.
>> >
>> >    WTFE.
>> >
>> >        Phil "did someone say clueless?" Kasiecki
>> >
>> >--
>> >Philip T. Kasiecki
>> >Electrical and Computer Engineering
>> >Northeastern University Class of 1999
>> 
>>     This is a repeat, but you clones don't make for much
>> variety.
>>     What ha[ppened was that Little Beaver got caught in a
>> sophomoric trick.  Mommy Professor taught you one way to deal
>> with logic you can't answer when you get outside the fortress
>> of Political Correctness:  What you are to do is to demand
>> references for what everybody already knows, and that keeps you
>> from having to answer the point.
>>      You think this makes you look intellectual, actually it
>> makes you look like a fool.
>>      So Little Beaver said there was no evidence of
>> non-whites pouring into white countries, where was my evidence.
>>  I said he was a silly ass to deny what everybody knew, and he
>> denied denying it.
>>      I pointed out what everybody knows, that the immigrant
>> birth rate is high and the European is low, and Little Beaver
>> says I said he said it.   But the fact is that when you pull
>> this silly  asss little trick of acting like you come from
>> another planet and need references for the obvious, you are
>> going to be accused of denying the obvious.
>>       If you stop being prissy and using such asinine tricks,
>> you will have to deal with points you are normally protected
>> from, so you won't.   You can't protect yourself or Little
>> Beaver from reality.  Go back to your university and talk with
>> the folks who will tell you you're a Great Intellectual and
>> don't have to think.
>> 
>
>I used to believe that you actually had some cognitive abilities hidden
>in your head but the reality is that you're a complete idiot. At least
>one can argue with some of the intelligent racists on this ng like K A
>Strom.
>
>eB


     Little Beaver, you've alreadyy used that line at least 
twice.
    As I said, I'm not actually talking to you and your clones 
anyway.  In our society, universities have become 
publically-financed liberal seminaries, so we have to use 
whatever outlets we can to trade concepts in dealing with 
people like you.  The Internet is beautiful that way.
    Everybody knows hundreds of you on every campus, so I am 
not really worried about impressing you one way or the other.  
My concepts are aimed at those who can use them.



From bwhit@conterra.com Fri Aug  9 09:36:29 PDT 1996
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pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu (Philip Kasiecki) wrote:
>bob whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
>:     I am glad to see that Australian whites are starting to get 
>: the shit kicked out of them by the nonwhites they were stupid 
>: enough to import.   They saw how violent our multiracial society 
>: was, but they obediently decided they just had to be multiracial, too.
>:      In this world, you gets what you asks for.
>
>    You idiot!  Have you forgotten that over 90% of all crimes in this
>country are INTRARACIAL??  Almost 90% of crimes committed by Blacks are
>committed against Blacks, and well over 90% of crimes committed by
>Whites are committed against Whites.  Don't go spouting this shit unless
>you have the facts on your side.
>
>        Phil "but then, he and others have done that plenty of times
>before, so I'm not shocked by this" Kasiecki
>
>--
>Philip T. Kasiecki
>Electrical and Computer Engineering
>Northeastern University Class of 1999


      It occurs to me that I don't mind your very, very 
convenient 90% statistic(please see the other string, "90% of 
all hate crimes are committed by whites"  What a coincidence!).
The reason there are less nonwhite crimes against whites is 
becuase segregation prevents it from being higher.  
     If those judges who order racial busing spent time in the 
ghettoes themselves, their personal black-on-white crime rate 
would go up very abruptly.
     This brings up many examples of the mindlessness of you 
Politically Correct types.  First, the establishment says the 
only reason private schools are so good is because they can 
limit their enrollments.  You nod, drool, and say, "DUH!  Mommy 
Professor, him SMART!"   Then the same professor says that the 
way to improve subiurban public schools is to bring in the 
ghetto.   You nod, drool,a nd say, "Mommy Professor, him 
SMART!"
     It's sick enough to be an enemy of your own race, but your 
sheer mindlessness bothers me, too.



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Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Re: 90% of all Hate Crime Victims are White
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fische11@ix.netcom.com(Steve Fischer) wrote:
>    The way I see it, all that shows is that whites like to pick on
>whites, and blacks are more liberal.  I see nothing in there that shows
>white/white attacks, or black/black attacks.  Without those as a
>framework, the mind jumps to conclusions.  I wanted to congrats the
>author on realizing that.
>    But the statistics are a little much.  I mean, if you're going to
>fake stats, make sure the place you're crediting to actually takes 'em!
>
>    Robert Rothenbrew
>    http://www.netcom.com/~fische11/


    In another string, one of these leftist clones is stating 
that 90% of all crimes against whites are by whites.  
Everything seems to be a convenient 90%, not 95%, not 85%, but 
90% even.
     Isn't that nice?



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From: bob whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Re: ISN'T WHITE SELF-SACRIFICE A FORM OF WHITE SUPREMACY?
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jeff_brown@pol.com (Jeffrey G. Brown) wrote:
>In article <4uavig$t7b@molokini.conterra.com>, bob whitaker
> wrote:
>
>> ...You 
>> say things everybody knows, and they say, "Give me 
>> refrences!"
>
>> [...deletia...]
>
>>    I know that no one will tell you this where you are 
>> protected from disagreement by Political Correctness, but out 
>> here on the Internet you should grow up some.
>
>Out here on the Internet, you should be smart enough to understand that
>"everybody knows" doesn't cut it.
>
>JGB
>
>=====================================================================
>Jeffrey G. Brown                                   jeff_brown@pol.com
> "What's going to happen?"   "Something wonderful..."   -- '2010'


    It certainly doesn't work for you and your Mommy professor 
trick, but for people who can handle concepts, one has to have 
an area of common knowledge.



From bwhit@conterra.com Fri Aug  9 09:42:36 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: You Can _Never_ Have Too Much Diversity (ADV)
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slaldin@chat.carleton.ca (Sam Laldin) wrote:
>bob whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
>> slaldin@chat.carleton.ca (Sam Laldin) wrote:
>> >bob whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
>> >> evil Beavis  wrote:
>> >> >bob whitaker wrote:
>> >> >> 
>> >> >>    The only countries anybody talks about making "diverse" are
>> >> >> white-majority countries.  The aim is to get rid of whitey, aka
>> >> >> genocide, and in the process to replace all those diverse
>> >> >> nations with a uniform melting pot.
>> >> >>     Some diversity!
>> >> >
>> >> >This is the same kind of drivel you posted months ago Bob. Can't you do
>> >> >any better or something new??!
>> >> >
>> >> >eB
>> >
>> >
>> >>    And nobody ever answers it.  You said : 1) that there was no 
>> >> evidence non-whites were pouring into white countries and then, 
>> >> later, forgetting that, you pointed out that Sweden in only a 
>> >> decade or two is already ten percent immigrant,and they keep 
>> >> pouring in and their birth rate is huge.
>> >>     Note the only replies I have had this far are like 
>> >> Kascieki, "My Mommy Professor says that's not true, you evil 
>> >> thing!"
>> >>     To repeat, this sort ofself-contradiction  and political 
>> >> Correctness go over big when they are protested from 
>> >> contradiction under the uiniversity protection of Political 
>> >> Correctness and Mommy Profesor, but this is the Internet.
>> >
>> >OK, how about this.  Across repeated measures, the measurements tend to
>> >regress towards the mean. Because immigration policies of nation-states
>> >allow them to be essentially samples of the world population and whites
>> >make up a minority of this population, then these samples (re:
>> >nation-states) will also eventually have a minority white population.  As
>> >for the paranoid belief that all non-whites have a single common aim...
>> >yikes, get help.  I like a good conspiricy as much as the next guy but
>> >this is a little too much.
>> >
>> >Sam
>> >
>> >----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >+++ All Power to All People +++
>> >
>> >" Last night they relieved me of all my sorrows
>> >  In the darkness they gave me the water of life."
>> >----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>     Hey dumb-dumb, what planet are you living on?  Where is 
>> this immigration into Africa and Asia you're talking about?
>>      The people with the common aim of bringing non-whites into 
>>  whtie country ar mostly sick whites, not non-whites.  
>>      Averaging is not regression tot he mean.
>>      Why don't you get some one thing right, and we'll try 
>> again.
>
>1.  I don't know the immigration pattern of any nation-states and never
>implied such.  My only statement on this issue was that nation-states with
>open immmigration policies would eventually act as a sample of the world
>population (for reason see #3)
>
>2.  A group of people delibrately (ie. with the expressed intent) of, and
>systematically destroying itself?  Sorry, don't buy it.  If you can
>explicity prove it then I'll change my mind.



    So you are not aware that white self-hatred is the basis of 
Politically Correct thought, eh?
     Have you been visiting this planet long?  You plan to stay 
a while?



>3.  I have no idea what you mean by 'averaging is not regression to the mean'.
>As far as to my contention:
>	a) Assume open-immigration nation-states act as samples of the
>	   world population
>	then,
>	by the statistical theory of regression towards the mean, in that
>one's best bet of prediction would be the mean, the 'racial' make-up of
>these nation-states will mimic the overall racial make-up of the planet
>(for a further discussion of regression towards the
>mean, see Hayes, William, 'Statistics', Harcourt-Brace, pg 615 and also pg
>29, which discusses Bernouilli theorum).  This is
>the basic theory behind experiments which use people. i.e. if you want to
>see if there are 'racial' differences (in keeping with this ng), obv one
>could not encompass everyone, so you take a large sample and by this
>theory, the make-up of the sample will mimic the population.
>
>There are some problems with my contention.  Will you try and find them or
>just spew written, unsubstantiated noise (ie: instead of just writing 'No
>thats wrong, [this] is right; try footnoting some sources) ?
>
>Sam 
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>+++ All Power to All People +++
>
>" Last night they relieved me of all my sorrows
>  In the darkness they gave me the water of life."
>----------------------------------------------------------------------




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slaldin@chat.carleton.ca (Sam Laldin) wrote:
>bob whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
>> slaldin@chat.carleton.ca (Sam Laldin) wrote:
>> >bob whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
>> >> evil Beavis  wrote:
>> >> >bob whitaker wrote:
>> >> >> 
>> >> >>    The only countries anybody talks about making "diverse" are
>> >> >> white-majority countries.  The aim is to get rid of whitey, aka
>> >> >> genocide, and in the process to replace all those diverse
>> >> >> nations with a uniform melting pot.
>> >> >>     Some diversity!
>> >> >
>> >> >This is the same kind of drivel you posted months ago Bob. Can't you do
>> >> >any better or something new??!
>> >> >
>> >> >eB
>> >
>> >
>> >>    And nobody ever answers it.  You said : 1) that there was no 
>> >> evidence non-whites were pouring into white countries and then, 
>> >> later, forgetting that, you pointed out that Sweden in only a 
>> >> decade or two is already ten percent immigrant,and they keep 
>> >> pouring in and their birth rate is huge.
>> >>     Note the only replies I have had this far are like 
>> >> Kascieki, "My Mommy Professor says that's not true, you evil 
>> >> thing!"
>> >>     To repeat, this sort ofself-contradiction  and political 
>> >> Correctness go over big when they are protested from 
>> >> contradiction under the uiniversity protection of Political 
>> >> Correctness and Mommy Profesor, but this is the Internet.
>> >
>> >OK, how about this.  Across repeated measures, the measurements tend to
>> >regress towards the mean. Because immigration policies of nation-states
>> >allow them to be essentially samples of the world population and whites
>> >make up a minority of this population, then these samples (re:
>> >nation-states) will also eventually have a minority white population.  As
>> >for the paranoid belief that all non-whites have a single common aim...
>> >yikes, get help.  I like a good conspiricy as much as the next guy but
>> >this is a little too much.
>> >
>> >Sam
>> >
>> >----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >+++ All Power to All People +++
>> >
>> >" Last night they relieved me of all my sorrows
>> >  In the darkness they gave me the water of life."
>> >----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>     Hey dumb-dumb, what planet are you living on?  Where is 
>> this immigration into Africa and Asia you're talking about?
>>      The people with the common aim of bringing non-whites into 
>>  whtie country ar mostly sick whites, not non-whites.  
>>      Averaging is not regression tot he mean.
>>      Why don't you get some one thing right, and we'll try 
>> again.
>
>1.  I don't know the immigration pattern of any nation-states and never
>implied such.  My only statement on this issue was that nation-states with
>open immmigration policies would eventually act as a sample of the world
>population (for reason see #3)
>
>2.  A group of people delibrately (ie. with the expressed intent) of, and
>systematically destroying itself?  Sorry, don't buy it.  If you can
>explicity prove it then I'll change my mind.



    So you are not aware that white self-hatred is the basis of 
Politically Correct thought, eh?
     Have you been visiting this planet long?  You plan to stay 
a while?



>3.  I have no idea what you mean by 'averaging is not regression to the mean'.
>As far as to my contention:
>	a) Assume open-immigration nation-states act as samples of the
>	   world population
>	then,
>	by the statistical theory of regression towards the mean, in that
>one's best bet of prediction would be the mean, the 'racial' make-up of
>these nation-states will mimic the overall racial make-up of the planet
>(for a further discussion of regression towards the
>mean, see Hayes, William, 'Statistics', Harcourt-Brace, pg 615 and also pg
>29, which discusses Bernouilli theorum).  This is
>the basic theory behind experiments which use people. i.e. if you want to
>see if there are 'racial' differences (in keeping with this ng), obv one
>could not encompass everyone, so you take a large sample and by this
>theory, the make-up of the sample will mimic the population.
>
>There are some problems with my contention.  Will you try and find them or
>just spew written, unsubstantiated noise (ie: instead of just writing 'No
>thats wrong, [this] is right; try footnoting some sources) ?
>
>Sam 
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>+++ All Power to All People +++
>
>" Last night they relieved me of all my sorrows
>  In the darkness they gave me the water of life."
>----------------------------------------------------------------------




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slaldin@chat.carleton.ca (Sam Laldin) wrote:
>bob whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
>> slaldin@chat.carleton.ca (Sam Laldin) wrote:
>> >bob whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
>> >> evil Beavis  wrote:
>> >> >bob whitaker wrote:
>> >> >> 
>> >> >>    The only countries anybody talks about making "diverse" are
>> >> >> white-majority countries.  The aim is to get rid of whitey, aka
>> >> >> genocide, and in the process to replace all those diverse
>> >> >> nations with a uniform melting pot.
>> >> >>     Some diversity!
>> >> >
>> >> >This is the same kind of drivel you posted months ago Bob. Can't you do
>> >> >any better or something new??!
>> >> >
>> >> >eB
>> >
>> >
>> >>    And nobody ever answers it.  You said : 1) that there was no 
>> >> evidence non-whites were pouring into white countries and then, 
>> >> later, forgetting that, you pointed out that Sweden in only a 
>> >> decade or two is already ten percent immigrant,and they keep 
>> >> pouring in and their birth rate is huge.
>> >>     Note the only replies I have had this far are like 
>> >> Kascieki, "My Mommy Professor says that's not true, you evil 
>> >> thing!"
>> >>     To repeat, this sort ofself-contradiction  and political 
>> >> Correctness go over big when they are protested from 
>> >> contradiction under the uiniversity protection of Political 
>> >> Correctness and Mommy Profesor, but this is the Internet.
>> >
>> >OK, how about this.  Across repeated measures, the measurements tend to
>> >regress towards the mean. Because immigration policies of nation-states
>> >allow them to be essentially samples of the world population and whites
>> >make up a minority of this population, then these samples (re:
>> >nation-states) will also eventually have a minority white population.  As
>> >for the paranoid belief that all non-whites have a single common aim...
>> >yikes, get help.  I like a good conspiricy as much as the next guy but
>> >this is a little too much.
>> >
>> >Sam
>> >
>> >----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >+++ All Power to All People +++
>> >
>> >" Last night they relieved me of all my sorrows
>> >  In the darkness they gave me the water of life."
>> >----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>     Hey dumb-dumb, what planet are you living on?  Where is 
>> this immigration into Africa and Asia you're talking about?
>>      The people with the common aim of bringing non-whites into 
>>  whtie country ar mostly sick whites, not non-whites.  
>>      Averaging is not regression tot he mean.
>>      Why don't you get some one thing right, and we'll try 
>> again.
>
>1.  I don't know the immigration pattern of any nation-states and never
>implied such.  My only statement on this issue was that nation-states with
>open immmigration policies would eventually act as a sample of the world
>population (for reason see #3)
>
>2.  A group of people delibrately (ie. with the expressed intent) of, and
>systematically destroying itself?  Sorry, don't buy it.  If you can
>explicity prove it then I'll change my mind.



    So you are not aware that white self-hatred is the basis of 
Politically Correct thought, eh?
     Have you been visiting this planet long?  You plan to stay 
a while?



>3.  I have no idea what you mean by 'averaging is not regression to the mean'.
>As far as to my contention:
>	a) Assume open-immigration nation-states act as samples of the
>	   world population
>	then,
>	by the statistical theory of regression towards the mean, in that
>one's best bet of prediction would be the mean, the 'racial' make-up of
>these nation-states will mimic the overall racial make-up of the planet
>(for a further discussion of regression towards the
>mean, see Hayes, William, 'Statistics', Harcourt-Brace, pg 615 and also pg
>29, which discusses Bernouilli theorum).  This is
>the basic theory behind experiments which use people. i.e. if you want to
>see if there are 'racial' differences (in keeping with this ng), obv one
>could not encompass everyone, so you take a large sample and by this
>theory, the make-up of the sample will mimic the population.
>
>There are some problems with my contention.  Will you try and find them or
>just spew written, unsubstantiated noise (ie: instead of just writing 'No
>thats wrong, [this] is right; try footnoting some sources) ?
>
>Sam 
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>+++ All Power to All People +++
>
>" Last night they relieved me of all my sorrows
>  In the darkness they gave me the water of life."
>----------------------------------------------------------------------




From bwhit@conterra.com Fri Aug  9 09:42:41 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: You Can _Never_ Have Too Much Diversity (ADV)
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slaldin@chat.carleton.ca (Sam Laldin) wrote:
>bob whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
>> slaldin@chat.carleton.ca (Sam Laldin) wrote:
>> >bob whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
>> >> evil Beavis  wrote:
>> >> >bob whitaker wrote:
>> >> >> 
>> >> >>    The only countries anybody talks about making "diverse" are
>> >> >> white-majority countries.  The aim is to get rid of whitey, aka
>> >> >> genocide, and in the process to replace all those diverse
>> >> >> nations with a uniform melting pot.
>> >> >>     Some diversity!
>> >> >
>> >> >This is the same kind of drivel you posted months ago Bob. Can't you do
>> >> >any better or something new??!
>> >> >
>> >> >eB
>> >
>> >
>> >>    And nobody ever answers it.  You said : 1) that there was no 
>> >> evidence non-whites were pouring into white countries and then, 
>> >> later, forgetting that, you pointed out that Sweden in only a 
>> >> decade or two is already ten percent immigrant,and they keep 
>> >> pouring in and their birth rate is huge.
>> >>     Note the only replies I have had this far are like 
>> >> Kascieki, "My Mommy Professor says that's not true, you evil 
>> >> thing!"
>> >>     To repeat, this sort ofself-contradiction  and political 
>> >> Correctness go over big when they are protested from 
>> >> contradiction under the uiniversity protection of Political 
>> >> Correctness and Mommy Profesor, but this is the Internet.
>> >
>> >OK, how about this.  Across repeated measures, the measurements tend to
>> >regress towards the mean. Because immigration policies of nation-states
>> >allow them to be essentially samples of the world population and whites
>> >make up a minority of this population, then these samples (re:
>> >nation-states) will also eventually have a minority white population.  As
>> >for the paranoid belief that all non-whites have a single common aim...
>> >yikes, get help.  I like a good conspiricy as much as the next guy but
>> >this is a little too much.
>> >
>> >Sam
>> >
>> >----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >+++ All Power to All People +++
>> >
>> >" Last night they relieved me of all my sorrows
>> >  In the darkness they gave me the water of life."
>> >----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>     Hey dumb-dumb, what planet are you living on?  Where is 
>> this immigration into Africa and Asia you're talking about?
>>      The people with the common aim of bringing non-whites into 
>>  whtie country ar mostly sick whites, not non-whites.  
>>      Averaging is not regression tot he mean.
>>      Why don't you get some one thing right, and we'll try 
>> again.
>
>1.  I don't know the immigration pattern of any nation-states and never
>implied such.  My only statement on this issue was that nation-states with
>open immmigration policies would eventually act as a sample of the world
>population (for reason see #3)
>
>2.  A group of people delibrately (ie. with the expressed intent) of, and
>systematically destroying itself?  Sorry, don't buy it.  If you can
>explicity prove it then I'll change my mind.



    So you are not aware that white self-hatred is the basis of 
Politically Correct thought, eh?
     Have you been visiting this planet long?  You plan to stay 
a while?



>3.  I have no idea what you mean by 'averaging is not regression to the mean'.
>As far as to my contention:
>	a) Assume open-immigration nation-states act as samples of the
>	   world population
>	then,
>	by the statistical theory of regression towards the mean, in that
>one's best bet of prediction would be the mean, the 'racial' make-up of
>these nation-states will mimic the overall racial make-up of the planet
>(for a further discussion of regression towards the
>mean, see Hayes, William, 'Statistics', Harcourt-Brace, pg 615 and also pg
>29, which discusses Bernouilli theorum).  This is
>the basic theory behind experiments which use people. i.e. if you want to
>see if there are 'racial' differences (in keeping with this ng), obv one
>could not encompass everyone, so you take a large sample and by this
>theory, the make-up of the sample will mimic the population.
>
>There are some problems with my contention.  Will you try and find them or
>just spew written, unsubstantiated noise (ie: instead of just writing 'No
>thats wrong, [this] is right; try footnoting some sources) ?
>
>Sam 
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>+++ All Power to All People +++
>
>" Last night they relieved me of all my sorrows
>  In the darkness they gave me the water of life."
>----------------------------------------------------------------------




From bwhit@conterra.com Fri Aug  9 09:42:42 PDT 1996
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evil Beavis  wrote:
>bob whitaker wrote:
>> 
>> pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu (Philip Kasiecki) wrote:
>> >bob whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
>> >: evil Beavis  wrote:
>> >: >bob whitaker wrote:
>> >: > > (drivel snipped)
>> >: >> >This is the same kind of drivel you posted months ago Bob. Can't
>> >: >> >you do any better or something new??!
>> >
>> >: >>    And nobody ever answers it.  You said : 1) that there was no
>> >: >> evidence non-whites were pouring into white countries
>> >
>> >: >Where did I say this? You should quit lying and putting false words
>> >: >into other people's mouths Bob. Of course I know that many non-whites
>> >: >immigrate into majority white countries.
>> >
>> >: As always, when you people get called on your bald-faced assertions,
>> >: you deny them.
>> >
>> >    Bullshit.  That has nothing to do with it.
>> >
>> >: When I stated colored were pouring into white-majority countries, you
>> >: repeatedly put up the usual cry of "Give me a reference on that!"
>> >
>> >    I don't blame him- after all, you're not exactly a reliable source.
>> >I would want you to give a reference on anything you state.  If you were
>> >a more reliable source, then we might take your word for it.  Since
>> >you're not, you'll have to provide a reference.  If you do, I, and I'm
>> >sure many others, will be convinced.  But don't blame us for the fact
>> >that you have practically zero credibility.
>> >
>> >:     Of course everybody knows this, and it was silly as hell
>> >: for you to keep screaming it wasn't true and i had to prove it.
>> >: Now you not only admit it, you say you never said otherwise.
>> >:      Typical.
>> >
>> >    Bullshit.  Read what I said above, about your credibility.
>> >
>> >: >I just don't see a problem in general with that.
>> >
>> >: >> and then, later, forgetting that, you pointed out that Sweden in
>> >: >> only a decade or two is already ten percent immigrant,and they keep
>> >: >> pouring in and their birth rate is huge.
>> >
>> >: >You're making statements up again Bob. When did I comment on immigrant
>> >: >birthrates in Sweden??
>> >
>> >:    The next thing you will be denying will be that you ever
>> >: denied that the birthrate of immigrants is huge.  For a couple
>> >: of decades, there have been regular articles on the huge
>> >: percentage of births in European hospitals are those of
>> >: immigrants.   Europeans countries have repeatedly been very
>> >: concerned about low birthrates of their own people.
>> >
>> >    Answer the question, you dimwit.  If he said what you claim he did,
>> >prove it.  Try DejaNews, it works wonders.
>> >
>> >: >Please provide the post. I have, however, noted that Sweden has
>> >: >seen a great influx of immigrants since WWII and especially since
>> >: >the 1970's. It is starting to decrease today though.
>> >
>> >: >>     Note the only replies I have had this far are like
>> >: >> Kascieki, "My Mommy Professor says that's not true, you evil
>> >: >> thing!"
>> >: >>     To repeat, this sort ofself-contradiction  and political
>> >: >> Correctness go over big when they are protested from
>> >: >> contradiction under the uiniversity protection of Political
>> >: >> Correctness and Mommy Profesor, but this is the Internet.
>> >
>> >: >I have not much use for Political Correctness either. I just don;t
>> >: >believe being racist, hypocritical, and hateful is any better. How
>> >: >about truthful and rational?
>> >
>> >:     Yeah, right.
>> >
>> >    WTFE.
>> >
>> >        Phil "did someone say clueless?" Kasiecki
>> >
>> >--
>> >Philip T. Kasiecki
>> >Electrical and Computer Engineering
>> >Northeastern University Class of 1999
>> 
>>     This is a repeat, but you clones don't make for much
>> variety.
>>     What ha[ppened was that Little Beaver got caught in a
>> sophomoric trick.  Mommy Professor taught you one way to deal
>> with logic you can't answer when you get outside the fortress
>> of Political Correctness:  What you are to do is to demand
>> references for what everybody already knows, and that keeps you
>> from having to answer the point.
>>      You think this makes you look intellectual, actually it
>> makes you look like a fool.
>>      So Little Beaver said there was no evidence of
>> non-whites pouring into white countries, where was my evidence.
>>  I said he was a silly ass to deny what everybody knew, and he
>> denied denying it.
>>      I pointed out what everybody knows, that the immigrant
>> birth rate is high and the European is low, and Little Beaver
>> says I said he said it.   But the fact is that when you pull
>> this silly  asss little trick of acting like you come from
>> another planet and need references for the obvious, you are
>> going to be accused of denying the obvious.
>>       If you stop being prissy and using such asinine tricks,
>> you will have to deal with points you are normally protected
>> from, so you won't.   You can't protect yourself or Little
>> Beaver from reality.  Go back to your university and talk with
>> the folks who will tell you you're a Great Intellectual and
>> don't have to think.
>> 
>
>I used to believe that you actually had some cognitive abilities hidden
>in your head but the reality is that you're a complete idiot. At least
>one can argue with some of the intelligent racists on this ng like K A
>Strom.
>
>eB


     Little Beaver, you've alreadyy used that line at least 
twice.
    As I said, I'm not actually talking to you and your clones 
anyway.  In our society, universities have become 
publically-financed liberal seminaries, so we have to use 
whatever outlets we can to trade concepts in dealing with 
people like you.  The Internet is beautiful that way.
    Everybody knows hundreds of you on every campus, so I am 
not really worried about impressing you one way or the other.  
My concepts are aimed at those who can use them.



From bwhit@conterra.com Fri Aug  9 09:52:42 PDT 1996
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pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu (Philip Kasiecki) wrote:
>bob whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
>:     I am glad to see that Australian whites are starting to get 
>: the shit kicked out of them by the nonwhites they were stupid 
>: enough to import.   They saw how violent our multiracial society 
>: was, but they obediently decided they just had to be multiracial, too.
>:      In this world, you gets what you asks for.
>
>    You idiot!  Have you forgotten that over 90% of all crimes in this
>country are INTRARACIAL??  Almost 90% of crimes committed by Blacks are
>committed against Blacks, and well over 90% of crimes committed by
>Whites are committed against Whites.  Don't go spouting this shit unless
>you have the facts on your side.
>
>        Phil "but then, he and others have done that plenty of times
>before, so I'm not shocked by this" Kasiecki
>
>--
>Philip T. Kasiecki
>Electrical and Computer Engineering
>Northeastern University Class of 1999


      It occurs to me that I don't mind your very, very 
convenient 90% statistic(please see the other string, "90% of 
all hate crimes are committed by whites"  What a coincidence!).
The reason there are less nonwhite crimes against whites is 
becuase segregation prevents it from being higher.  
     If those judges who order racial busing spent time in the 
ghettoes themselves, their personal black-on-white crime rate 
would go up very abruptly.
     This brings up many examples of the mindlessness of you 
Politically Correct types.  First, the establishment says the 
only reason private schools are so good is because they can 
limit their enrollments.  You nod, drool, and say, "DUH!  Mommy 
Professor, him SMART!"   Then the same professor says that the 
way to improve subiurban public schools is to bring in the 
ghetto.   You nod, drool,a nd say, "Mommy Professor, him 
SMART!"
     It's sick enough to be an enemy of your own race, but your 
sheer mindlessness bothers me, too.



From bwhit@conterra.com Fri Aug  9 10:18:15 PDT 1996
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evil Beavis  wrote:
>bob whitaker wrote:
>> 
>> pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu (Philip Kasiecki) wrote:
>> >bob whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
>> >: evil Beavis  wrote:
>> >: >bob whitaker wrote:
>> >: > > (drivel snipped)
>> >: >> >This is the same kind of drivel you posted months ago Bob. Can't
>> >: >> >you do any better or something new??!
>> >
>> >: >>    And nobody ever answers it.  You said : 1) that there was no
>> >: >> evidence non-whites were pouring into white countries
>> >
>> >: >Where did I say this? You should quit lying and putting false words
>> >: >into other people's mouths Bob. Of course I know that many non-whites
>> >: >immigrate into majority white countries.
>> >
>> >: As always, when you people get called on your bald-faced assertions,
>> >: you deny them.
>> >
>> >    Bullshit.  That has nothing to do with it.
>> >
>> >: When I stated colored were pouring into white-majority countries, you
>> >: repeatedly put up the usual cry of "Give me a reference on that!"
>> >
>> >    I don't blame him- after all, you're not exactly a reliable source.
>> >I would want you to give a reference on anything you state.  If you were
>> >a more reliable source, then we might take your word for it.  Since
>> >you're not, you'll have to provide a reference.  If you do, I, and I'm
>> >sure many others, will be convinced.  But don't blame us for the fact
>> >that you have practically zero credibility.
>> >
>> >:     Of course everybody knows this, and it was silly as hell
>> >: for you to keep screaming it wasn't true and i had to prove it.
>> >: Now you not only admit it, you say you never said otherwise.
>> >:      Typical.
>> >
>> >    Bullshit.  Read what I said above, about your credibility.
>> >
>> >: >I just don't see a problem in general with that.
>> >
>> >: >> and then, later, forgetting that, you pointed out that Sweden in
>> >: >> only a decade or two is already ten percent immigrant,and they keep
>> >: >> pouring in and their birth rate is huge.
>> >
>> >: >You're making statements up again Bob. When did I comment on immigrant
>> >: >birthrates in Sweden??
>> >
>> >:    The next thing you will be denying will be that you ever
>> >: denied that the birthrate of immigrants is huge.  For a couple
>> >: of decades, there have been regular articles on the huge
>> >: percentage of births in European hospitals are those of
>> >: immigrants.   Europeans countries have repeatedly been very
>> >: concerned about low birthrates of their own people.
>> >
>> >    Answer the question, you dimwit.  If he said what you claim he did,
>> >prove it.  Try DejaNews, it works wonders.
>> >
>> >: >Please provide the post. I have, however, noted that Sweden has
>> >: >seen a great influx of immigrants since WWII and especially since
>> >: >the 1970's. It is starting to decrease today though.
>> >
>> >: >>     Note the only replies I have had this far are like
>> >: >> Kascieki, "My Mommy Professor says that's not true, you evil
>> >: >> thing!"
>> >: >>     To repeat, this sort ofself-contradiction  and political
>> >: >> Correctness go over big when they are protested from
>> >: >> contradiction under the uiniversity protection of Political
>> >: >> Correctness and Mommy Profesor, but this is the Internet.
>> >
>> >: >I have not much use for Political Correctness either. I just don;t
>> >: >believe being racist, hypocritical, and hateful is any better. How
>> >: >about truthful and rational?
>> >
>> >:     Yeah, right.
>> >
>> >    WTFE.
>> >
>> >        Phil "did someone say clueless?" Kasiecki
>> >
>> >--
>> >Philip T. Kasiecki
>> >Electrical and Computer Engineering
>> >Northeastern University Class of 1999
>> 
>>     This is a repeat, but you clones don't make for much
>> variety.
>>     What ha[ppened was that Little Beaver got caught in a
>> sophomoric trick.  Mommy Professor taught you one way to deal
>> with logic you can't answer when you get outside the fortress
>> of Political Correctness:  What you are to do is to demand
>> references for what everybody already knows, and that keeps you
>> from having to answer the point.
>>      You think this makes you look intellectual, actually it
>> makes you look like a fool.
>>      So Little Beaver said there was no evidence of
>> non-whites pouring into white countries, where was my evidence.
>>  I said he was a silly ass to deny what everybody knew, and he
>> denied denying it.
>>      I pointed out what everybody knows, that the immigrant
>> birth rate is high and the European is low, and Little Beaver
>> says I said he said it.   But the fact is that when you pull
>> this silly  asss little trick of acting like you come from
>> another planet and need references for the obvious, you are
>> going to be accused of denying the obvious.
>>       If you stop being prissy and using such asinine tricks,
>> you will have to deal with points you are normally protected
>> from, so you won't.   You can't protect yourself or Little
>> Beaver from reality.  Go back to your university and talk with
>> the folks who will tell you you're a Great Intellectual and
>> don't have to think.
>> 
>
>I used to believe that you actually had some cognitive abilities hidden
>in your head but the reality is that you're a complete idiot. At least
>one can argue with some of the intelligent racists on this ng like K A
>Strom.
>
>eB


     Little Beaver, you've alreadyy used that line at least 
twice.
    As I said, I'm not actually talking to you and your clones 
anyway.  In our society, universities have become 
publically-financed liberal seminaries, so we have to use 
whatever outlets we can to trade concepts in dealing with 
people like you.  The Internet is beautiful that way.
    Everybody knows hundreds of you on every campus, so I am 
not really worried about impressing you one way or the other.  
My concepts are aimed at those who can use them.



From bwhit@conterra.com Fri Aug  9 16:42:33 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Re: ISN'T WHITE SELF-SACRIFICE A FORM OF WHITE SUPREMACY?
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jeff_brown@pol.com (Jeffrey G. Brown) wrote:
>In article <3208F5E3.4D7B@ix.netcom.com>, Kevin Alfred Strom
> wrote:
>
>> Do I need to provide citations from the citizenship and immigration laws 
>> of every majority-White country in order to satisfy you?
>
>You need to provide evidence that supports your assertions. "Everybody
>knows that..." is not evidence.
>
>> [...deletia...]
>
>> When all the evidence and all my sources of information agree on this 
>> point, from personal experience while living and travelling in a number 
>> of different places, from conversations with citizens of many different 
>> countries, to publications holding the most diverse and sometimes 
>> antithetical points of view, and when I have never seen the slightest 
>> shred of evidence or even opinion to the contrary (except from you), what 
>> other conclusion can I draw?
>
>Probably none. However, if you expect others to agree that what you assert
>is true, you need to supply evidence that supports your assertion.
>"Because I know it to be so" is not evidence.
>
>> Really, Mr. Brown, I get the feeling you're trying to hold my feet to the 
>> fire just because it's in your programming. I can hardly believe that you 
>> are _seriously_ suggesting that there exists a majority-White country 
>> today that has racial qualifications for citizenship.
>
>That's good -- because I have made no such suggestion.
>
>> I am most interested in your sources which indicate that there _are_ 
>> majority-White countries that do not currently accept multiracialism. 
>> Please list these countries now, or admit that my statement is true.
>
>Setting up an arbitrary condition that I must meet, and claiming that your
>assertion is true if I do not meet it, is also not evidence.
>
>> Since you are now only claiming that no one has ever _said_ such a thing 
>> outright, then my observation that such a thing is in fact happening 
>> stands unchallenged. 
>
>Claiming that what you say is true since no one contradicts you is not
>valid, either. If it were, you could establish the "truth" of your
>assertions merely by uttering them in an empty room.
>
>> You don't deny that people _believe_ such things 
>> and act on those beliefs.
>
>Very observant, Strom. Beliefs, however strongly held, are not evidence of
>anything except strongly held beliefs.
>
>JGB
>
>=====================================================================
>Jeffrey G. Brown                                   jeff_brown@pol.com
> "What's going to happen?"   "Something wonderful..."   -- '2010'


     All this crap is a diversion from the point I made.
     The attitude of liberal elitists is the same as that of 
the old racists I knew.  They feel that while non-whites can 
want to preserve their own kind, white people should be above 
that sort of thing.   I think it is an interesting point, 
submitted to readers over the head of Brown and his Mommy 
Professor tactics.



From bwhit@conterra.com Fri Aug  9 16:42:37 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
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Subject: Re: ISN'T WHITE SELF-SACRIFICE A FORM OF WHITE SUPREMACY?
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jeff_brown@pol.com (Jeffrey G. Brown) wrote:
>In article <3208F5E3.4D7B@ix.netcom.com>, Kevin Alfred Strom
> wrote:
>
>> Do I need to provide citations from the citizenship and immigration laws 
>> of every majority-White country in order to satisfy you?
>
>You need to provide evidence that supports your assertions. "Everybody
>knows that..." is not evidence.
>
>> [...deletia...]
>
>> When all the evidence and all my sources of information agree on this 
>> point, from personal experience while living and travelling in a number 
>> of different places, from conversations with citizens of many different 
>> countries, to publications holding the most diverse and sometimes 
>> antithetical points of view, and when I have never seen the slightest 
>> shred of evidence or even opinion to the contrary (except from you), what 
>> other conclusion can I draw?
>
>Probably none. However, if you expect others to agree that what you assert
>is true, you need to supply evidence that supports your assertion.
>"Because I know it to be so" is not evidence.
>
>> Really, Mr. Brown, I get the feeling you're trying to hold my feet to the 
>> fire just because it's in your programming. I can hardly believe that you 
>> are _seriously_ suggesting that there exists a majority-White country 
>> today that has racial qualifications for citizenship.
>
>That's good -- because I have made no such suggestion.
>
>> I am most interested in your sources which indicate that there _are_ 
>> majority-White countries that do not currently accept multiracialism. 
>> Please list these countries now, or admit that my statement is true.
>
>Setting up an arbitrary condition that I must meet, and claiming that your
>assertion is true if I do not meet it, is also not evidence.
>
>> Since you are now only claiming that no one has ever _said_ such a thing 
>> outright, then my observation that such a thing is in fact happening 
>> stands unchallenged. 
>
>Claiming that what you say is true since no one contradicts you is not
>valid, either. If it were, you could establish the "truth" of your
>assertions merely by uttering them in an empty room.
>
>> You don't deny that people _believe_ such things 
>> and act on those beliefs.
>
>Very observant, Strom. Beliefs, however strongly held, are not evidence of
>anything except strongly held beliefs.
>
>JGB
>
>=====================================================================
>Jeffrey G. Brown                                   jeff_brown@pol.com
> "What's going to happen?"   "Something wonderful..."   -- '2010'


     All this crap is a diversion from the point I made.
     The attitude of liberal elitists is the same as that of 
the old racists I knew.  They feel that while non-whites can 
want to preserve their own kind, white people should be above 
that sort of thing.   I think it is an interesting point, 
submitted to readers over the head of Brown and his Mommy 
Professor tactics.



From bwhit@conterra.com Sat Aug 10 09:52:55 PDT 1996
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pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu (Philip Kasiecki) wrote:
>bob whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
>: evil Beavis  wrote:
>: >bob whitaker wrote:
>: >>     In the midst of all this is my point: the only major race
>: >> (Caucasoid, Mongoloid, Negroid) that will disappear is the
>: >> white race.  Asia will remain solidly Mongoloid(I doubt japan
>: >> will open up, no one is really pressing her to do so, since
>: >> Japan is not white), and regardles of Japan, there are a
>: >> billion Chinese and no one wants to go there.   Nobody is going
>: >> to poor, starving, disease-ridden, totalitarian, starving
>: >> Africa.   Only one race has got to go, and it's mine.
>
>: >Why so paranoid and insecure? I believe we have the skills and cunning
>: >not only to be around for as long as we want to, but to get along with
>: >the rest of the world also. This happens already in most places although
>: >the media and individuals who fear and hate diversity do their best to
>: >convince scared people like you otherwise!
>
>:     You are not for diversity, you simply want to get rid of whites.
>
>    Prove it, you imbecile.
>
>        Phil Kasiecki
>
>--
>Philip T. Kasiecki
>Electrical and Computer Engineering
>Northeastern University Class of 1999


    Actually anti-white whites are the essence of Political 
Correctness.   Such warps are not new in our century.
    For a generation, I fought the idea that if the government 
owned industry, it would be fficient.  It has been totally and 
conveniently forgotten now, but almost every single, individual 
European "intellectual" believecd this.  The problem with 
fighting it was that it was so damned silly.
     Nobody could believe that what was wrong with Communism 
was not that it was, as liberals said, highly efficient but 
inhuman.  Nobody couldbe told that the idea of running the 
whole economy like the Post Office was run then was insane.
    So the arguments had to be respectful, and therefore 
ridiculous.  You cannot be respectful towatrd siliness, even if 
it has a PhD.   You have tio say, "Yes, these respectable 
looking people CAN be that stupid and vicious", and go with it.
   But if you go backl and look at most intellectual arguments 
against Comunism today, they look as silly as Communism itself, 
because they were so respectful.  Cpommunism collapsed because 
of its sheer absurdity and the evil necessary to keep that 
absurdity going by force.
    Communism produced the endless evil that somes when you let 
academic types like Marx, Lenin, and trotsky have not merely 
the right ot speak, which is OK, but the right to 
respectablility, which is not.
    I went through being a professor, Ca[pitol Hill, the whole 
bit, but I was always separate from my colleagues in not giging 
the benefit of respectability to these sickos, and I don't now.
     Little Beaver aqnd Kasiecki are perennial "good boys".  If 
they were in Nazi Germany,t ehy would be enthusiastically 
rounding up the Jewsx, under Stalin they would be, in all 
sincerity, shipping millions off to the Gulag.   Good boys in 
the twentieth century have done more evil t han bad boys could 
imagine.   That is the lesson of the century which we refuse to 
learn.
   



From bwhit@conterra.com Sat Aug 10 09:52:55 PDT 1996
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fische11@ix.netcom.com(some bizzare guy on the internet) wrote:
>What does skin matter?  I have white friends who are complete morons
>and I have black friends who are geniouses.  I know white people who
>are crooks, I know black people who are crooks.
>
>    Point: IT WOULDN'T MATTER IF YOU MORONS WOULD QUIT THINKING IT DID.
>
>        Robert Rothenbrew
>        http://www.netcom.com/~fische11/



   You're a good boy.   We're all proud of you.



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Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Re: ISN'T WHITE SELF-SACRIFICE A FORM OF WHITE SUPREMACY?
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jeff_brown@pol.com (Jeffrey G. Brown) wrote:
>In article <4u90ac$fst@molokini.conterra.com>, bob whitaker
> wrote:
>
>> jeff_brown@pol.com (Jeffrey G. Brown) wrote:
>> >In article <3207B2E5.1711@ix.netcom.com>, Kevin Alfred Strom
>> > wrote:
>
>> > [...deletia...]
>
>> >> 2) If you do not hold that position, then please list the majority-White 
>> >> countries which, in your view, need not be multiracial?
>> >
>> >Not my decision. The countries in question are competent to determine
>> >their own immigration policy. They do not need my help -- nor do they need
>> >yours.
>> 
>> HORSESHIT!  If any white country didn't let colored pour in, 
>> you'd shriek like a stabbed pig.  Only when you are called on 
>> it do you suddenly start denying it.
>
>And yet _another_ graduate of the Frank Weltner Correspondence Course in
>Telepathy and Precognition for Liars, Cowards, and Bigots speaks his...
>um... mind.
>
>Mind telling us how you _know_ all this for a fact, Whitaker, O Omniscient One?


   Because you're a clone.  You don't deny it, you just yell 
about my saying it.


>JGB
>
>=====================================================================
>Jeffrey G. Brown                                   jeff_brown@pol.com
> "What's going to happen?"   "Something wonderful..."   -- '2010'




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Laura Finsten  wrote:
>bob whitaker  wrote:
>>evil Beavis  wrote:
>>>bob whitaker wrote:
> 
>>>>     In the midst of all this is my point: the only major race
>>>> (Caucasoid, Mongoloid, Negroid) that will disappear is the
>>>> white race.  Asia will remain solidly Mongoloid(I doubt japan
>>>> will open up, no one is really pressing her to do so, since
>>>> Japan is not white), and regardles of Japan, there are a
>>>> billion Chinese and no one wants to go there.   Nobody is going
>>>> to poor, starving, disease-ridden, totalitarian, starving
>>>> Africa.   Only one race has got to go, and it's mine.
>
>>>Why so paranoid and insecure? I believe we have the skills and cunning
>>>not only to be around for as long as we want to, but to get along with
>>>the rest of the world also. This happens already in most places although
>>>the media and individuals who fear and hate diversity do their best to
>>>convince scared people like you otherwise!
>
>>    You are not for diversity, you simply want to get rid of 
>>whites.
>
>
>Well, Mr. Whitaker, you do indeed assume that anyone who is not
>anti-immigrationist and racist wants to "get rid of whites", as you
>so elegantly phrase it.  I have to tell you, though, I really do not
>follow your reasoning on this, perhaps because I've never seen you
>explain how you actually move logically from the one to the other.
>Would you care to explain it to me?
>
>I have another question, as well.  Do you start pining for the "white
>race" when you see "white" folks tanning on the beach?  Do you get
>all worried that darkened skin tones are negatively related to moral
>and cultural values, and IQ, and worry about a decline in the integrity
>of western civilisation during the summer months?
>
>
>"If I can't dance.....I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>          Emma Goldman
>
>



      Blacks and Mongoloids don't need immigration laws.  Asia 
is huge and no racially significant number of people are going 
there.  Nobody wants to go to Africa, again, in important 
numbers.  Lots of AIDS reserachers go there, of course, but 
that's not an inucement to others.
      Ihave made this point many times.  I have pointed out  
that white self-sacrifice is part of the white supremacist 
mentality.  All I get back is Mommy Professor tricks and silly 
ass stuff like this old getting a suntan.



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Laura Finsten  wrote:
>bob whitaker  wrote:
>>evil Beavis  wrote:
>>>bob whitaker wrote:
> 
>>>>     In the midst of all this is my point: the only major race
>>>> (Caucasoid, Mongoloid, Negroid) that will disappear is the
>>>> white race.  Asia will remain solidly Mongoloid(I doubt japan
>>>> will open up, no one is really pressing her to do so, since
>>>> Japan is not white), and regardles of Japan, there are a
>>>> billion Chinese and no one wants to go there.   Nobody is going
>>>> to poor, starving, disease-ridden, totalitarian, starving
>>>> Africa.   Only one race has got to go, and it's mine.
>
>>>Why so paranoid and insecure? I believe we have the skills and cunning
>>>not only to be around for as long as we want to, but to get along with
>>>the rest of the world also. This happens already in most places although
>>>the media and individuals who fear and hate diversity do their best to
>>>convince scared people like you otherwise!
>
>>    You are not for diversity, you simply want to get rid of 
>>whites.
>
>
>Well, Mr. Whitaker, you do indeed assume that anyone who is not
>anti-immigrationist and racist wants to "get rid of whites", as you
>so elegantly phrase it.  I have to tell you, though, I really do not
>follow your reasoning on this, perhaps because I've never seen you
>explain how you actually move logically from the one to the other.
>Would you care to explain it to me?
>
>I have another question, as well.  Do you start pining for the "white
>race" when you see "white" folks tanning on the beach?  Do you get
>all worried that darkened skin tones are negatively related to moral
>and cultural values, and IQ, and worry about a decline in the integrity
>of western civilisation during the summer months?
>
>
>"If I can't dance.....I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>          Emma Goldman
>
>



      Blacks and Mongoloids don't need immigration laws.  Asia 
is huge and no racially significant number of people are going 
there.  Nobody wants to go to Africa, again, in important 
numbers.  Lots of AIDS reserachers go there, of course, but 
that's not an inucement to others.
      Ihave made this point many times.  I have pointed out  
that white self-sacrifice is part of the white supremacist 
mentality.  All I get back is Mommy Professor tricks and silly 
ass stuff like this old getting a suntan.



From bwhit@conterra.com Sat Aug 10 14:21:31 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
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Subject: Re: You Can _Never_ Have Too Much Diversity (ADV)
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Laura Finsten  wrote:
>bob whitaker  wrote:
>>evil Beavis  wrote:
>>>bob whitaker wrote:
> 
>>>>     In the midst of all this is my point: the only major race
>>>> (Caucasoid, Mongoloid, Negroid) that will disappear is the
>>>> white race.  Asia will remain solidly Mongoloid(I doubt japan
>>>> will open up, no one is really pressing her to do so, since
>>>> Japan is not white), and regardles of Japan, there are a
>>>> billion Chinese and no one wants to go there.   Nobody is going
>>>> to poor, starving, disease-ridden, totalitarian, starving
>>>> Africa.   Only one race has got to go, and it's mine.
>
>>>Why so paranoid and insecure? I believe we have the skills and cunning
>>>not only to be around for as long as we want to, but to get along with
>>>the rest of the world also. This happens already in most places although
>>>the media and individuals who fear and hate diversity do their best to
>>>convince scared people like you otherwise!
>
>>    You are not for diversity, you simply want to get rid of 
>>whites.
>
>
>Well, Mr. Whitaker, you do indeed assume that anyone who is not
>anti-immigrationist and racist wants to "get rid of whites", as you
>so elegantly phrase it.  I have to tell you, though, I really do not
>follow your reasoning on this, perhaps because I've never seen you
>explain how you actually move logically from the one to the other.
>Would you care to explain it to me?
>
>I have another question, as well.  Do you start pining for the "white
>race" when you see "white" folks tanning on the beach?  Do you get
>all worried that darkened skin tones are negatively related to moral
>and cultural values, and IQ, and worry about a decline in the integrity
>of western civilisation during the summer months?
>
>
>"If I can't dance.....I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>          Emma Goldman
>
>



      Blacks and Mongoloids don't need immigration laws.  Asia 
is huge and no racially significant number of people are going 
there.  Nobody wants to go to Africa, again, in important 
numbers.  Lots of AIDS reserachers go there, of course, but 
that's not an inucement to others.
      Ihave made this point many times.  I have pointed out  
that white self-sacrifice is part of the white supremacist 
mentality.  All I get back is Mommy Professor tricks and silly 
ass stuff like this old getting a suntan.



From bwhit@conterra.com Sat Aug 10 14:47:34 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
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Subject: Re: You Can _Never_ Have Too Much Diversity (ADV)
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Laura Finsten  wrote:
>bob whitaker  wrote:
>>evil Beavis  wrote:
>>>bob whitaker wrote:
> 
>>>>     In the midst of all this is my point: the only major race
>>>> (Caucasoid, Mongoloid, Negroid) that will disappear is the
>>>> white race.  Asia will remain solidly Mongoloid(I doubt japan
>>>> will open up, no one is really pressing her to do so, since
>>>> Japan is not white), and regardles of Japan, there are a
>>>> billion Chinese and no one wants to go there.   Nobody is going
>>>> to poor, starving, disease-ridden, totalitarian, starving
>>>> Africa.   Only one race has got to go, and it's mine.
>
>>>Why so paranoid and insecure? I believe we have the skills and cunning
>>>not only to be around for as long as we want to, but to get along with
>>>the rest of the world also. This happens already in most places although
>>>the media and individuals who fear and hate diversity do their best to
>>>convince scared people like you otherwise!
>
>>    You are not for diversity, you simply want to get rid of 
>>whites.
>
>
>Well, Mr. Whitaker, you do indeed assume that anyone who is not
>anti-immigrationist and racist wants to "get rid of whites", as you
>so elegantly phrase it.  I have to tell you, though, I really do not
>follow your reasoning on this, perhaps because I've never seen you
>explain how you actually move logically from the one to the other.
>Would you care to explain it to me?
>
>I have another question, as well.  Do you start pining for the "white
>race" when you see "white" folks tanning on the beach?  Do you get
>all worried that darkened skin tones are negatively related to moral
>and cultural values, and IQ, and worry about a decline in the integrity
>of western civilisation during the summer months?
>
>
>"If I can't dance.....I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>          Emma Goldman
>
>



      Blacks and Mongoloids don't need immigration laws.  Asia 
is huge and no racially significant number of people are going 
there.  Nobody wants to go to Africa, again, in important 
numbers.  Lots of AIDS reserachers go there, of course, but 
that's not an inucement to others.
      Ihave made this point many times.  I have pointed out  
that white self-sacrifice is part of the white supremacist 
mentality.  All I get back is Mommy Professor tricks and silly 
ass stuff like this old getting a suntan.



From bwhit@conterra.com Sat Aug 10 20:43:14 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
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Subject: Re: You Can _Never_ Have Too Much Diversity (ADV)
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Stefan Andreasson  wrote:
>bob whitaker wrote:
>> 
>> evil Beavis  wrote:
>> >bob whitaker wrote:
>> >>
>> >> pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu (Philip Kasiecki) wrote:
>> >> >bob whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
>> >> >: evil Beavis  wrote:
>> >> >: >bob whitaker wrote:
>> >> >: > > (drivel snipped)
>> >> >: >> >This is the same kind of drivel you posted months ago Bob. Can't
>> >> >: >> >you do any better or something new??!
>> >> >
>> >> >: >>    And nobody ever answers it.  You said : 1) that there was no
>> >> >: >> evidence non-whites were pouring into white countries
>> >> >
>> >> >: >Where did I say this? You should quit lying and putting false words
>> >> >: >into other people's mouths Bob. Of course I know that many non-whites
>> >> >: >immigrate into majority white countries.
>> >> >
>> >> >: As always, when you people get called on your bald-faced assertions,
>> >> >: you deny them.
>> >> >
>> >> >    Bullshit.  That has nothing to do with it.
>> >> >
>> >> >: When I stated colored were pouring into white-majority countries, you
>> >> >: repeatedly put up the usual cry of "Give me a reference on that!"
>> >> >
>> >> >    I don't blame him- after all, you're not exactly a reliable source.
>> >> >I would want you to give a reference on anything you state.  If you were
>> >> >a more reliable source, then we might take your word for it.  Since
>> >> >you're not, you'll have to provide a reference.  If you do, I, and I'm
>> >> >sure many others, will be convinced.  But don't blame us for the fact
>> >> >that you have practically zero credibility.
>> >> >
>> >> >:     Of course everybody knows this, and it was silly as hell
>> >> >: for you to keep screaming it wasn't true and i had to prove it.
>> >> >: Now you not only admit it, you say you never said otherwise.
>> >> >:      Typical.
>> >> >
>> >> >    Bullshit.  Read what I said above, about your credibility.
>> >> >
>> >> >: >I just don't see a problem in general with that.
>> >> >
>> >> >: >> and then, later, forgetting that, you pointed out that Sweden in
>> >> >: >> only a decade or two is already ten percent immigrant,and they keep
>> >> >: >> pouring in and their birth rate is huge.
>> >> >
>> >> >: >You're making statements up again Bob. When did I comment on immigrant
>> >> >: >birthrates in Sweden??
>> >> >
>> >> >:    The next thing you will be denying will be that you ever
>> >> >: denied that the birthrate of immigrants is huge.  For a couple
>> >> >: of decades, there have been regular articles on the huge
>> >> >: percentage of births in European hospitals are those of
>> >> >: immigrants.   Europeans countries have repeatedly been very
>> >> >: concerned about low birthrates of their own people.
>> >> >
>> >> >    Answer the question, you dimwit.  If he said what you claim he did,
>> >> >prove it.  Try DejaNews, it works wonders.
>> >> >
>> >> >: >Please provide the post. I have, however, noted that Sweden has
>> >> >: >seen a great influx of immigrants since WWII and especially since
>> >> >: >the 1970's. It is starting to decrease today though.
>> >> >
>> >> >: >>     Note the only replies I have had this far are like
>> >> >: >> Kascieki, "My Mommy Professor says that's not true, you evil
>> >> >: >> thing!"
>> >> >: >>     To repeat, this sort ofself-contradiction  and political
>> >> >: >> Correctness go over big when they are protested from
>> >> >: >> contradiction under the uiniversity protection of Political
>> >> >: >> Correctness and Mommy Profesor, but this is the Internet.
>> >> >
>> >> >: >I have not much use for Political Correctness either. I just don;t
>> >> >: >believe being racist, hypocritical, and hateful is any better. How
>> >> >: >about truthful and rational?
>> >> >
>> >> >:     Yeah, right.
>> >> >
>> >> >    WTFE.
>> >> >
>> >> >        Phil "did someone say clueless?" Kasiecki
>> >> >
>> >> >--
>> >> >Philip T. Kasiecki
>> >> >Electrical and Computer Engineering
>> >> >Northeastern University Class of 1999
>> >>
>> >>     This is a repeat, but you clones don't make for much
>> >> variety.
>> >>     What ha[ppened was that Little Beaver got caught in a
>> >> sophomoric trick.  Mommy Professor taught you one way to deal
>> >> with logic you can't answer when you get outside the fortress
>> >> of Political Correctness:  What you are to do is to demand
>> >> references for what everybody already knows, and that keeps you
>> >> from having to answer the point.
>> >>      You think this makes you look intellectual, actually it
>> >> makes you look like a fool.
>> >>      So Little Beaver said there was no evidence of
>> >> non-whites pouring into white countries, where was my evidence.
>> >>  I said he was a silly ass to deny what everybody knew, and he
>> >> denied denying it.
>> >>      I pointed out what everybody knows, that the immigrant
>> >> birth rate is high and the European is low, and Little Beaver
>> >> says I said he said it.   But the fact is that when you pull
>> >> this silly  asss little trick of acting like you come from
>> >> another planet and need references for the obvious, you are
>> >> going to be accused of denying the obvious.
>> >>       If you stop being prissy and using such asinine tricks,
>> >> you will have to deal with points you are normally protected
>> >> from, so you won't.   You can't protect yourself or Little
>> >> Beaver from reality.  Go back to your university and talk with
>> >> the folks who will tell you you're a Great Intellectual and
>> >> don't have to think.
>> >>
>> >
>> >I used to believe that you actually had some cognitive abilities hidden
>> >in your head but the reality is that you're a complete idiot. At least
>> >one can argue with some of the intelligent racists on this ng like K A
>> >Strom.
>> >
>> >eB
>> 
>>      Little Beaver, you've alreadyy used that line at least
>> twice.
>>     As I said, I'm not actually talking to you and your clones
>> anyway.  In our society, universities have become
>> publically-financed liberal seminaries, so we have to use
>> whatever outlets we can to trade concepts in dealing with
>> people like you.  The Internet is beautiful that way.
>>     Everybody knows hundreds of you on every campus, so I am
>> not really worried about impressing you one way or the other.
>> My concepts are aimed at those who can use them.
>
>You seem very jealous. We're you rejected by the local Community College
>or just laughed at by distinguished professionals in general?!!
>
>eB


     I guess I'll use this to answer the entire collection of 
clones who vent their outrage at me above.  As I say, I'm 
actually making some basic concepts public.  Trying to explain 
anything to one of these clones is like tryuing to push 
toothpaste back into a tube.
      As I said, I went through this process for years arguing 
with socialists.  I kept pointing out that socilaism, the idea 
that if the state owns the means of production, it will 
EFFICIENT, was silly.
      Socialists kept showing me thier PhD's and quoting 
European intellectuals, who were all socialists with plenty of 
outright Stalinists among them, and demanding references.  They 
kept telling me it couln't just be silliness.  The 
antiCommunists generally went along with this, so the fall of 
Communism didn't come until the system simply collapsed of tis 
own economic absurdity.
     To give another example, socialism was always selling 
itself as the way for poor countries to get out of poverty.  I 
ke[pt pointing out that while many countries had come up from 
poverty, not one had done it via socialism.   But, like the 
clones here, those clones kept quoting "inmtellectuals" and 
saying I wasn't giving them referenced.   
     References mean you are taking the other guy's "ideas" 
seriously.  Declaring that "solving the race problem" means The 
Final Solution to the White Problem does not deserve respect.
      I pointed out once in a review of one of Galbraith's  
books for *National Review* that "what has failed isnot 
libealism in theory, but liberalism in practice."   Entering 
into their delusions with them is not the way to deal with 
them.
      The clones are legitimate products of their century.  
Their sickness and intellectual vacuity is demonstrated by the 
fact that they are actually proud of that.
      The SOCIAL ideas of the twentieth century have been a 
disaster.  It has been a series of Final Solutions and a series 
of bloodbaths.  The Czar begat Lenin, Lenin begat Hitler, and 
Hitler begat the clones.  All remain seekers of the Final 
Solution.
      That is the rea;l problem with the Hitler obsession.   As 
long as we act as if Hitler was the only disaster of this 
century, we will never grow out of it.   The Hitler example is 
used so often to prove it is the right wing or racists that are 
the danger, and the left is safe.   It isn't.
       Clones carry the disease of the twentieth century.   It 
is that disease, not details, we must look at. 



From bwhit@conterra.com Sun Aug 11 01:49:11 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Re: ISN'T WHITE SELF-SACRIFICE A FORM OF WHITE SUPREMACY?
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jeff_brown@pol.com (Jeffrey G. Brown) wrote:
>In article <320ACE54.5D09@ix.netcom.com>, Kevin Alfred Strom
> wrote:
>
>> Due to an unfortunate oversight, I am sure, the jg-brown-bot edited out 
>> the most important sections of my message to him, and failed to answer my 
>> questions. If we didn't already know that such a thing was impossible, we 
>> might think he weaseled most cowardly.
>> 
>> As a friendly gesture, I will restore the sections that were accidentally 
>> deleted by him and which he therefore did not respond to:
>
>I deleted nothing accidentally, Stromn. I replied to what was relevant.
>Your questions did not fall into that category.
>
>> ---I said---
>> 
>> I am most interested in your sources which indicate that there _are_
>> majority-White countries that do not currently accept multiracialism.
>> Please list these countries now, or admit that my statement is true.
>> 
>> Try not to weasel out of answering me this time. Allies and opponents
>> alike will admire a direct, responsive answer.
>> 
>> ---Brown responded, after editing my question---
>> 
>> Setting up an arbitrary condition that I must meet, and claiming that 
>> your
>> assertion is true if I do not meet it, is also not evidence.
>> 
>> ---
>> 
>> Is that an answer? Brown doesn't want to answer me, for reasons which I 
>> will allow the reader to determine. The salient point is that I asked a 
>> question, the correct answer to which would settle this rather peripheral 
>> issue, and Brown weaseled out of answering it.
>
>No, Strom. The salient points are (1) Whitaker provided no evidence for
>his assertion, and (2) it is invalid to claim that your statement must be
>true if I cannot provide counter-examples.
>
>> ---I stated---
>> 
>> Since you are now only claiming that no one has ever _said_ such a thing
>> outright, then my observation that such a thing is in fact happening
>> stands unchallenged. You don't deny that people _believe_ such things
>> and act on those beliefs. And Mr. Whitaker was not erecting a straw man.
>> 
>> Just to clarify your views on this matter, do you believe it is wrong for
>> White people to have monoracial societies?
>> 
>> ---Brown "responded", after editing, including the _entire question_---
>> 
>> Very observant, Strom. Beliefs, however strongly held, are not evidence 
>> of
>> anything except strongly held beliefs.
>> 
>> ---
>> 
>> So, Mr. Brown, I have restored the sections you accidentally deleted. Now 
>> please answer my two questions directly:
>> 
>> 1. Do you believe it is wrong for White people to have monoracial 
>> societies?
>> 
>> 2. Are you able to provide proof for your assertion that Mr. Whitaker was 
>> erecting a "straw man" when he stated that all majority-White countries 
>> endorse and practice multiracialism? If so, provide it.
>> 
>> I am sure that, this time, you will provide direct and honest answers to 
>> these simple questions.
>
>No, Strom. My beliefs are irrelevant to the point that Whitaker in
>particular, and racists in general, are unable or unwilling to back up
>their assertions with facts.
>
>Whitaker made an assertion. He is required to prove it himself. _I_ am not
>required to disprove it.
>
>Turning around and questioning the questioners is an old trick, Strom, and
>it's just as transparent now as when it was first used by the bigots on
>Usenet. It does not relieve racists of the responsibility of providing
>evidence for their assertions.
>
>That's the extent of my response to your questions, Strom. Take it or leave it.
>
>JGB
>
>=====================================================================
>Jeffrey G. Brown                                   jeff_brown@pol.com
> "What's going to happen?"   "Something wonderful..."   -- '2010'


     These guys always scream bloody murder when their sick 
little ideas are exposed in plain English, but note he is 
stillnot denying it.



From bwhit@conterra.com Sun Aug 11 01:49:35 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
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Subject: Re: ISN'T WHITE SELF-SACRIFICE A FORM OF WHITE SUPREMACY?
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fische11@ix.netcom.com(some bizzare guy on the internet) wrote:
>>Who is this "Mommy professor" you seem to be fixated on?
>>
>>JGB
>>
>>=====================================================================
>>Jeffrey G. Brown                                   jeff_brown@pol.com
>> "What's going to happen?"   "Something wonderful..."   -- '2010'
>
>Well, you should know by now!  He was educated by his mother/sister. 
>So now, when he's out with his girlfriends, that's what he says in bed!
>                                              
>                                         His family tree:
>    Robert Rothenbrew                           1<--I
>    http://www.netcom.com/~fische11/            1   1
>                                                1   1
>                                                1   1
>                                                ----1


    Well, you kids have used up all the standard ploys to avoid 
dealing with the point I made: "Isn't White Self-Sacrifice A 
Form of White Supremaqcy".
     Ther proof of the pudding is that you have not dealt with 
that point at all.



From bwhit@conterra.com Sun Aug 11 21:46:55 PDT 1996
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Laura Finsten  wrote:
>"Ourobouros"  wrote:
>
>[...]
>
>>If you are not full of hate yourself, then why do you persist in your
>>emotional babble on apw-p and apnw?
>
>
>I can't speak for anyone else, of course, but I persist so that your
>misunderstandings, lies and distortions are pointed out

   As I said, trying to explain any concept to a Politically 
Correct person like you is like trying to push toothpaste back 
into a tube.


>
>"If I can't dance.....I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>          Emma Goldman
>
>




From bwhit@conterra.com Sun Aug 11 22:22:22 PDT 1996
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Laura Finsten  wrote:
>"Ourobouros"  wrote:
>
>[...]
>
>>If you are not full of hate yourself, then why do you persist in your
>>emotional babble on apw-p and apnw?
>
>
>I can't speak for anyone else, of course, but I persist so that your
>misunderstandings, lies and distortions are pointed out

   As I said, trying to explain any concept to a Politically 
Correct person like you is like trying to push toothpaste back 
into a tube.


>
>"If I can't dance.....I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>          Emma Goldman
>
>




From bwhit@conterra.com Sun Aug 11 22:22:23 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
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Subject: THIS IS WHY POLITICALLY CORRECT PEOPLE STILLTHINK "DUHH!" IS A GOOD ARGUMENT
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    The useful thing about having an old fart like me around is 
to provide what is called "institutional memory".   I remember 
w    hen people did not use the term "politically correct", and 
when liberals were considered True Intellectuals, the Only True 
Intellectuals, in fact.  Every body didn't know then that 
liberals practiced what they preached against, such as 
intolerance.
    What wee now call politically Correct people insisted that 
punishment did not prevent crime.  However, their reaction to 
any vigilante action against criminals was to demand ferocious 
punishment of the vigilantes.  "Why?", you might ask them, and 
they would say, "To stop vigilanteeism from spreading.", they 
would reply.
    You would then say, "But doesn't that mean that punishing a 
crime, such as vigilanteeism, is the way to prevent it?"  They 
would reply, "Yes!"  
     Then you would say, "So you would say you were wrong, that 
punishment does in fact prvent crime?"
    "They would reply, "DUHH!"




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    The useful thing about having an old fart like me around is 
to provide what is called "institutional memory".   I remember 
w    hen people did not use the term "politically correct", and 
when liberals were considered True Intellectuals, the Only True 
Intellectuals, in fact.  Every body didn't know then that 
liberals practiced what they preached against, such as 
intolerance.
    What wee now call politically Correct people insisted that 
punishment did not prevent crime.  However, their reaction to 
any vigilante action against criminals was to demand ferocious 
punishment of the vigilantes.  "Why?", you might ask them, and 
they would say, "To stop vigilanteeism from spreading.", they 
would reply.
    You would then say, "But doesn't that mean that punishing a 
crime, such as vigilanteeism, is the way to prevent it?"  They 
would reply, "Yes!"  
     Then you would say, "So you would say you were wrong, that 
punishment does in fact prvent crime?"
    "They would reply, "DUHH!"




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    The useful thing about having an old fart like me around is 
to provide what is called "institutional memory".   I remember 
w    hen people did not use the term "politically correct", and 
when liberals were considered True Intellectuals, the Only True 
Intellectuals, in fact.  Every body didn't know then that 
liberals practiced what they preached against, such as 
intolerance.
    What wee now call politically Correct people insisted that 
punishment did not prevent crime.  However, their reaction to 
any vigilante action against criminals was to demand ferocious 
punishment of the vigilantes.  "Why?", you might ask them, and 
they would say, "To stop vigilanteeism from spreading.", they 
would reply.
    You would then say, "But doesn't that mean that punishing a 
crime, such as vigilanteeism, is the way to prevent it?"  They 
would reply, "Yes!"  
     Then you would say, "So you would say you were wrong, that 
punishment does in fact prvent crime?"
    "They would reply, "DUHH!"




From bwhit@conterra.com Sun Aug 11 22:22:25 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: THIS IS WHY POLITICALLY CORRECT PEOPLE STILLTHINK "DUHH!" IS A GOOD ARGUMENT
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    In those sdays, every single "European intellectual" and 
most American "intellectuals" declared that government 
ownership of the means of production meant EFFICIENCY!
    You would say, "You mean you want the whole economy run 
like the POST OFFICE?"
     They would reply, "Duhh!"
     Now "this "duhh" is expressed in several ways.   They 
would say, "How dare you accuse me of saying that?" or "I 
didn't say that" or, "Explain what you mean, I don't 
understand."  Or "That's simplistic."
      Over the years, we have realized that their arguments 
were just as silly as that.  Please note they NEVER talk about 
the days when all intellectuals said government ownership was 
efficient, for example.
      Why did some form of the "Duhh" work so well.  The reason 
was that it was "DUHH" with a PhD degree.   Surely these people 
couldn't be THAT superficially stupid and get ahead in the 
academic bureaucracy.   
       But they could   But they did.
       Politically Correct people have lots of quals and no 
sense.   They still think DUHH, PhD is a good argument, because 
surely THEY couldn't look that superficial and stupid!
        Pollitically Correct people told me that I had to come 
up with references that non-whites were moving into white 
countries.  I pointed out that only an idiot would deny it.  
They absolutely yelled that they hadn't actually denied it.  
They had gone "Duhh", a different matter altogether.
         But the day of the duhh, PhD is past.   If you don't 
understand concenpts, you're a clown, PhD and all.
         Concepts which none of the Politically Correct answer. 
 Concepts which they use every painful kind to twist to avoid 
dealing with, because they can't
          White self-sacrifice is an appeal to white feeligns 
of moral superiority.  The Politically Correct answer: "DUHH."
          Immigrationa nd integration is only demanded of white 
countries.  Immigration is not going massively into Asia or 
Africa.  Only the white race has to go.  The "solution" tot he 
white problem is really the Final Solution to the White 
Problem.
           This is why Hitler is used to justify this Final 
Solution.  We all know what is really going on.  Anti-racist 
means anti-white.
           The Politically Correct answer to all this(see 
Finstin-- repeatedly) is "DUHH!"
            I do not write this for brain dead Politically 
Correct people.  Only those who can deal with concepts are 
worth talking to.   The day of the DUHH is over.



From bwhit@conterra.com Sun Aug 11 22:25:55 PDT 1996
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Laura Finsten  wrote:
>"Ourobouros"  wrote:
>
>[...]
>
>>If you are not full of hate yourself, then why do you persist in your
>>emotional babble on apw-p and apnw?
>
>
>I can't speak for anyone else, of course, but I persist so that your
>misunderstandings, lies and distortions are pointed out

   As I said, trying to explain any concept to a Politically 
Correct person like you is like trying to push toothpaste back 
into a tube.


>
>"If I can't dance.....I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>          Emma Goldman
>
>




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Laura Finsten  wrote:
>"Ourobouros"  wrote:
>
>[...]
>
>>If you are not full of hate yourself, then why do you persist in your
>>emotional babble on apw-p and apnw?
>
>
>I can't speak for anyone else, of course, but I persist so that your
>misunderstandings, lies and distortions are pointed out

   As I said, trying to explain any concept to a Politically 
Correct person like you is like trying to push toothpaste back 
into a tube.


>
>"If I can't dance.....I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>          Emma Goldman
>
>




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Laura Finsten  wrote:
>"Ourobouros"  wrote:
>
>[...]
>
>>If you are not full of hate yourself, then why do you persist in your
>>emotional babble on apw-p and apnw?
>
>
>I can't speak for anyone else, of course, but I persist so that your
>misunderstandings, lies and distortions are pointed out

   As I said, trying to explain any concept to a Politically 
Correct person like you is like trying to push toothpaste back 
into a tube.


>
>"If I can't dance.....I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>          Emma Goldman
>
>




From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Aug 12 16:35:52 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
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Subject: Re: You Can _Never_ Have Too Much Diversity (ADV)
Date: 12 Aug 1996 19:50:24 GMT
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Laura Finsten  wrote:
>bob whitaker  wrote:
>>Laura Finsten  wrote:
>
>[...
>
>>>Well, Mr. Whitaker, you do indeed assume that anyone who is not
>>>anti-immigrationist and racist wants to "get rid of whites", as you
>>>so elegantly phrase it.  I have to tell you, though, I really do not
>>>follow your reasoning on this, perhaps because I've never seen you
>>>explain how you actually move logically from the one to the other.
>>>Would you care to explain it to me?
>
>>>I have another question, as well.  Do you start pining for the "white
>>>race" when you see "white" folks tanning on the beach?  Do you get
>>>all worried that darkened skin tones are negatively related to moral
>>>and cultural values, and IQ, and worry about a decline in the integrity
>>>of western civilisation during the summer months?
>
>[...]
>>      Blacks and Mongoloids don't need immigration laws.  Asia 
>>is huge and no racially significant number of people are going 
>>there.  Nobody wants to go to Africa, again, in important 
>>numbers.  Lots of AIDS reserachers go there, of course, but 
>>that's not an inucement to others.
>>      Ihave made this point many times.  I have pointed out  
>>that white self-sacrifice is part of the white supremacist 
>>mentality.  All I get back is Mommy Professor tricks and silly 
>>ass stuff like this old getting a suntan.
>
>
>Well Mr. Whitaker, every time I have tried to engage you in discussion
>of your "ideas", or get clarification from you about what your "ideas"
>are, all I get is the rather demented sounding "Mommy Professor" line.
>I notice, too, that you're retrenching into the clone drone once more,
>as well.
>
>I asked you to explain your reasoning.  You connect those who are
>not racist and are willing to allow "non-whites" to stay in North
>America as well as to admit additional "non-white" immigrants, to
>the destruction of what you call "the white race".  My question was
>a sincere one.  It does not follow, to me, how the one leads to
>the other.  But rather than explain this, you just resort to the
>same old clumsy evasive manoeuvres and generalised slurs.
>
>
>
>
>"If I can't dance.....I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>          Emma Goldman
>
     
Oh, Lord, the old Sincere DUHH! gambit!
Can't you people come up with ANYTHING that wasn't used up 
three decades ago?




From bwhit@conterra.com Tue Aug 13 08:05:02 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
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Subject: Re: You Can _Never_ Have Too Much Diversity (ADV)
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Laura Finsten  wrote:
>bob whitaker  wrote:
>>Laura Finsten  wrote:
>>>"Ourobouros"  wrote:
>
>>>[...]
>
>>>>If you are not full of hate yourself, then why do you persist in your
>>>>emotional babble on apw-p and apnw?
>
>
>>>I can't speak for anyone else, of course, but I persist so that your
>>>misunderstandings, lies and distortions are pointed out
>
>>   As I said, trying to explain any concept to a Politically 
>>Correct person like you is like trying to push toothpaste back 
>>into a tube.
>
>
>You haven't been following things very closely, Mr. Whitaker,
>if you don't realise that "Mr. Stone" (who is a nonexistent user
>at his isp) has not succeeded in "explaining" any concepts to me
>because I actually understand them better than he does.  In fact,
>"Mr. Stone" has shown himself to rather astonishingly ignorant about
>issues he posts voluminously on.  I'm not going to apologise for
>knowing the subject matter he wants to twist to support his views
>better than he does.
>
>Remember the "stable genotype" discussion, Mr. Whitaker?  It is
>very much like that.  You couldn't explain it to me because you
>didn't know what you were talking about.
>
>Try to put some of that toothpaste on your brush.
>
>
>"If I can't dance.....I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>          Emma Goldman
>
>
    I thought you were telling me again that you didn't 
understand what I was talking about -- the old DUHH! routine.  
You use it a lot, you know.



From bwhit@conterra.com Tue Aug 13 09:28:23 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
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Subject: Putting Quotations Around "White", Another DUHH! Tactic
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    Note that the politically Correct types who deny they want 
all majority white countries, and only majority white 
countries, to become multiracial, also use quotations marks 
around "white".  They are saying white people don't really 
exist, so why shouldn't they get rid of them.
    There is also the pure DUHH! element here.  The idea is, 
you see, that they simply didn't notice that the countries they 
want to  with immigrants are "white" majority, and the 
immigrants they want to pour in are non-"white".   But they are 
wonderfully selective about this DUHH! as they are with others.
    Hundreds of millions of Asians could prosper on land 
Africans are starving on, but you will never see these 
anti-whites who say "white" demanding that Africa be opened to 
such massive Asian immigration.  No way, Jose, it's Africa for 
the Africans.  They will make a big thing of a few million 
Asians in Africa, but when it comes to the real thing, that's 
for "white" countries only.
     When it comes to declaring people Evil, they just happen 
to know "white" is, and the quotation marks come off.
     Like everything else Politically Correct, they've been 
using this quotation marks DUHH! bit for decades.  Only someone 
 brain dead enough to still be Politically Correct in the 
1990's would think this still works.



From bwhit@conterra.com Tue Aug 13 09:45:01 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
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    Note that the politically Correct types who deny they want 
all majority white countries, and only majority white 
countries, to become multiracial, also use quotations marks 
around "white".  They are saying white people don't really 
exist, so why shouldn't they get rid of them.
    There is also the pure DUHH! element here.  The idea is, 
you see, that they simply didn't notice that the countries they 
want to  with immigrants are "white" majority, and the 
immigrants they want to pour in are non-"white".   But they are 
wonderfully selective about this DUHH! as they are with others.
    Hundreds of millions of Asians could prosper on land 
Africans are starving on, but you will never see these 
anti-whites who say "white" demanding that Africa be opened to 
such massive Asian immigration.  No way, Jose, it's Africa for 
the Africans.  They will make a big thing of a few million 
Asians in Africa, but when it comes to the real thing, that's 
for "white" countries only.
     When it comes to declaring people Evil, they just happen 
to know "white" is, and the quotation marks come off.
     Like everything else Politically Correct, they've been 
using this quotation marks DUHH! bit for decades.  Only someone 
 brain dead enough to still be Politically Correct in the 
1990's would think this still works.



From bwhit@conterra.com Tue Aug 13 16:44:08 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
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Subject: Re: You Can _Never_ Have Too Much Diversity (ADV)
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pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu (Philip Kasiecki) wrote:
>bob whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
>: pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu (Philip Kasiecki) wrote:
>: >bob whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
>: >:     You are not for diversity, you simply want to get rid of whites.
>
>: >    Prove it, you imbecile.
>
>:     Actually anti-white whites are the essence of Political 
>: Correctness.   Such warps are not new in our century.
>
>    WTFE.
>
>:     I went through being a professor, Capitol Hill, the whole 
>: bit, but I was always separate from my colleagues in not giging 
>: the benefit of respectability to these sickos, and I don't now.
>
>    *You* were a professor?  Must be a school with low academic standards.
>
>:      Little Beaver and Kasiecki are perennial "good boys".  If 
>: they were in Nazi Germany, they would be enthusiastically 
>: rounding up the Jews, under Stalin they would be, in all 
>: sincerity, shipping millions off to the Gulag.   Good boys in 
>: the twentieth century have done more evil than bad boys could 
>: imagine.   That is the lesson of the century which we refuse to 
>: learn.
>
>    WTFE.  I'm glad you think of me in a positive manner, way, Bob.
>(actually, I don't give a flying fuck what you think)
>
>        Phil Kasiecki
>
>--
>Philip T. Kasiecki
>Electrical and Computer Engineering
>Northeastern University Class of 1999

      You think that's positive, eh?
       Well, one of you clones insists punishment has nothing 
to do with crime, Finstin cannot imagine that anybody but 
Hitler was ever bad, so you fit right in to the dunce league 
here.
      Happy DUHH!'s!



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From: bob whitaker 
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Laura Finsten  wrote:
>bob whitaker  wrote:
>
>[...]
>
>>    I went through being a professor, Ca[pitol Hill, the whole 
>>bit, but I was always separate from my colleagues in not giging 
>>the benefit of respectability to these sickos, and I don't now.
>
>Not "hiding" your academic background any longer, Mr. Whitaker?
>Gee, you've lost a great source for professing to have been
>wronged by the clones by making this public disclosure.
>
>>     Little Beaver aqnd Kasiecki are perennial "good boys".  If 
>>they were in Nazi Germany,t ehy would be enthusiastically 
>>rounding up the Jewsx, under Stalin they would be, in all 
>>sincerity, shipping millions off to the Gulag.   Good boys in 
>>the twentieth century have done more evil t han bad boys could 
>>imagine.   That is the lesson of the century which we refuse to 
>>learn.
>
>I gather your degree wasn't in 20th century European history?
>The big guy in charge in Nazi Germany was Adolph Hitler,
>Mr. Whitaker, not Joseph Stalin.  You seem to be confusing
>the Soviet Union and its political regime with Nazi Germany's,
>which was certainly not a cookie-cutter replica of the USSR's.
>
>It wasn't the "communists" who rounded up Jews in Nazi Germany,
>Mr. Whitaker, but the Nazis.  In fact, communists were another
>of the Nazis' targeted groups.
>
>You think Hitler was a "good boy"?  How many people do you
>know who would continue to describe Stalin as a "good boy"?
>You seem to believe that everyone sees the world, and recent
>history, in the same grossly oversimplified black and white
>terms with which you view the world.
>
>
>"If I can't dance.....I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>          Emma Goldman
>
>
   My point was that there were a LOT of awfult hings in this 
century besides the Jews in Nazi Germany.  I am not surprised 
that you are totally unable even to imagine that, as you say 
here.



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Laura Finsten  wrote:
>bob whitaker  wrote:
>
>[...]
>
>>    I went through being a professor, Ca[pitol Hill, the whole 
>>bit, but I was always separate from my colleagues in not giging 
>>the benefit of respectability to these sickos, and I don't now.
>
>Not "hiding" your academic background any longer, Mr. Whitaker?
>Gee, you've lost a great source for professing to have been
>wronged by the clones by making this public disclosure.
>
>>     Little Beaver aqnd Kasiecki are perennial "good boys".  If 
>>they were in Nazi Germany,t ehy would be enthusiastically 
>>rounding up the Jewsx, under Stalin they would be, in all 
>>sincerity, shipping millions off to the Gulag.   Good boys in 
>>the twentieth century have done more evil t han bad boys could 
>>imagine.   That is the lesson of the century which we refuse to 
>>learn.
>
>I gather your degree wasn't in 20th century European history?
>The big guy in charge in Nazi Germany was Adolph Hitler,
>Mr. Whitaker, not Joseph Stalin.  You seem to be confusing
>the Soviet Union and its political regime with Nazi Germany's,
>which was certainly not a cookie-cutter replica of the USSR's.
>
>It wasn't the "communists" who rounded up Jews in Nazi Germany,
>Mr. Whitaker, but the Nazis.  In fact, communists were another
>of the Nazis' targeted groups.
>
>You think Hitler was a "good boy"?  How many people do you
>know who would continue to describe Stalin as a "good boy"?
>You seem to believe that everyone sees the world, and recent
>history, in the same grossly oversimplified black and white
>terms with which you view the world.
>
>
>"If I can't dance.....I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>          Emma Goldman
>

     At the publically supported liberal seminaries we call 
universities, what Mommy Professor teaches these clones is that 
Hitler was uniquely evil, and he was evil only because he 
opposed racial intermarriage.
     I have pointed out ot clones that Hitler was a complete 
totalitarian.  I then aask them if he would have been nicer if 
he had a leftist or Stalinist totalitartian instead of a 
racist.
      Guess what their reply was?
      You guessed it:
      DUHH!
      Rather than seeing Hitler in the context of a 
totalitairan disease in our century, the liberal seminsary 
needs him as a unique phenomenon, only evil because he was not 
a leftist.
      Finstin is so beautifully clonish: the whole concept is 
totally beyond her. 




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pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu (Philip Kasiecki) wrote:
>bob whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
>: Stefan Andreasson  wrote:
>: >bob whitaker wrote:
>: >>      Little Beaver, you've already used that line at least twice.
>: >>     As I said, I'm not actually talking to you and your clones
>: >> anyway.  In our society, universities have become
>: >> publically-financed liberal seminaries, so we have to use
>: >> whatever outlets we can to trade concepts in dealing with
>: >> people like you.  The Internet is beautiful that way.
>: >>     Everybody knows hundreds of you on every campus, so I am
>: >> not really worried about impressing you one way or the other.
>: >> My concepts are aimed at those who can use them.
>
>: >You seem very jealous. We're you rejected by the local Community College
>: >or just laughed at by distinguished professionals in general?!!
>
>    *snicker*  He probably was.
>
>:      References mean you are taking the other guy's "ideas" 
>: seriously.  Declaring that "solving the race problem" means The 
>: Final Solution to the White Problem does not deserve respect.
>
>    Cop out.
>
>:       I pointed out once in a review of one of Galbraith's  
>: books for *National Review* that "what has failed is not 
>: libealism in theory, but liberalism in practice."   Entering 
>: into their delusions with them is not the way to deal with them.
>:       The clones are legitimate products of their century.
>: Their sickness and intellectual vacuity is demonstrated by the 
>: fact that they are actually proud of that.
>
>    Bullshit.  *You* are a product of this racist society.  And you're
>also a product of this lazy society.  You just take the easy way out-
>just go by your own limited experience, don't back up any assertion you
>make (your cop out above being the evidence of this), and with the
>things you say about non-White people, I get the impression that you
>don't know any non-White people.
>
>:        Clones carry the disease of the twentieth century.   It 
>: is that disease, not details, we must look at. 
>
>    WTFE.  As I said above, *you're* the one who's the negative product
>of this society.
>
>        Phil Kasiecki
>
>--
>Philip T. Kasiecki
>Electrical and Computer Engineering
>Northeastern University Class of 1999
pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu (Philip Kasiecki) wrote:
>bob whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
>: Stefan Andreasson  wrote:
>: >bob whitaker wrote:
>: >>      Little Beaver, you've already used that line at least twice.
>: >>     As I said, I'm not actually talking to you and your clones
>: >> anyway.  In our society, universities have become
>: >> publically-financed liberal seminaries, so we have to use
>: >> whatever outlets we can to trade concepts in dealing with
>: >> people like you.  The Internet is beautiful that way.
>: >>     Everybody knows hundreds of you on every campus, so I am
>: >> not really worried about impressing you one way or the other.
>: >> My concepts are aimed at those who can use them.
>
>: >You seem very jealous. We're you rejected by the local Community College
>: >or just laughed at by distinguished professionals in general?!!
>
>    *snicker*  He probably was.
>
>:      References mean you are taking the other guy's "ideas" 
>: seriously.  Declaring that "solving the race problem" means The 
>: Final Solution to the White Problem does not deserve respect.
>
>    Cop out.
>
>:       I pointed out once in a review of one of Galbraith's  
>: books for *National Review* that "what has failed is not 
>: libealism in theory, but liberalism in practice."   Entering 
>: into their delusions with them is not the way to deal with them.
>:       The clones are legitimate products of their century.
>: Their sickness and intellectual vacuity is demonstrated by the 
>: fact that they are actually proud of that.
>
>    Bullshit.  *You* are a product of this racist society.  And you're
>also a product of this lazy society.  You just take the easy way out-
>just go by your own limited experience, don't back up any assertion you
>make (your cop out above being the evidence of this), and with the
>things you say about non-White people, I get the impression that you
>don't know any non-White people.
>
>:        Clones carry the disease of the twentieth century.   It 
>: is that disease, not details, we must look at. 
>
>    WTFE.  As I said above, *you're* the one who's the negative product
>of this society.
>
>        Phil Kasiecki
>
>--
>Philip T. Kasiecki
>Electrical and Computer Engineering
>Northeastern University Class of 1999
pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu (Philip Kasiecki) wrote:
>bob whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
>: Stefan Andreasson  wrote:
>: >bob whitaker wrote:
>: >>      Little Beaver, you've already used that line at least twice.
>: >>     As I said, I'm not actually talking to you and your clones
>: >> anyway.  In our society, universities have become
>: >> publically-financed liberal seminaries, so we have to use
>: >> whatever outlets we can to trade concepts in dealing with
>: >> people like you.  The Internet is beautiful that way.
>: >>     Everybody knows hundreds of you on every campus, so I am
>: >> not really worried about impressing you one way or the other.
>: >> My concepts are aimed at those who can use them.
>
>: >You seem very jealous. We're you rejected by the local Community College
>: >or just laughed at by distinguished professionals in general?!!
>
>    *snicker*  He probably was.
>
>:      References mean you are taking the other guy's "ideas" 
>: seriously.  Declaring that "solving the race problem" means The 
>: Final Solution to the White Problem does not deserve respect.
>
>    Cop out.
>
>:       I pointed out once in a review of one of Galbraith's  
>: books for *National Review* that "what has failed is not 
>: libealism in theory, but liberalism in practice."   Entering 
>: into their delusions with them is not the way to deal with them.
>:       The clones are legitimate products of their century.
>: Their sickness and intellectual vacuity is demonstrated by the 
>: fact that they are actually proud of that.
>
>    Bullshit.  *You* are a product of this racist society.  And you're
>also a product of this lazy society.  You just take the easy way out-
>just go by your own limited experience, don't back up any assertion you
>make (your cop out above being the evidence of this), and with the
>things you say about non-White people, I get the impression that you
>don't know any non-White people.
>
>:        Clones carry the disease of the twentieth century.   It 
>: is that disease, not details, we must look at. 
>
>    WTFE.  As I said above, *you're* the one who's the negative product
>of this society.
>
>        Phil Kasiecki
>
>--
>Philip T. Kasiecki
>Electrical and Computer Engineering
>Northeastern University Class of 1999
pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu (Philip Kasiecki) wrote:
>bob whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
>: Stefan Andreasson  wrote:
>: >bob whitaker wrote:
>: >>      Little Beaver, you've already used that line at least twice.
>: >>     As I said, I'm not actually talking to you and your clones
>: >> anyway.  In our society, universities have become
>: >> publically-financed liberal seminaries, so we have to use
>: >> whatever outlets we can to trade concepts in dealing with
>: >> people like you.  The Internet is beautiful that way.
>: >>     Everybody knows hundreds of you on every campus, so I am
>: >> not really worried about impressing you one way or the other.
>: >> My concepts are aimed at those who can use them.
>
>: >You seem very jealous. We're you rejected by the local Community College
>: >or just laughed at by distinguished professionals in general?!!
>
>    *snicker*  He probably was.
>
>:      References mean you are taking the other guy's "ideas" 
>: seriously.  Declaring that "solving the race problem" means The 
>: Final Solution to the White Problem does not deserve respect.
>
>    Cop out.
>
>:       I pointed out once in a review of one of Galbraith's  
>: books for *National Review* that "what has failed is not 
>: libealism in theory, but liberalism in practice."   Entering 
>: into their delusions with them is not the way to deal with them.
>:       The clones are legitimate products of their century.
>: Their sickness and intellectual vacuity is demonstrated by the 
>: fact that they are actually proud of that.
>
>    Bullshit.  *You* are a product of this racist society.  And you're
>also a product of this lazy society.  You just take the easy way out-
>just go by your own limited experience, don't back up any assertion you
>make (your cop out above being the evidence of this), and with the
>things you say about non-White people, I get the impression that you
>don't know any non-White pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu (Philip Kasiecki) wrote:
>bob whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
>: Stefan Andreasson  wrote:
>: >bob whitaker wrote:
>: >>      Little Beaver, you've already used that line at least twice.
>: >>     As I said, I'm not actually talking to you and your clones
>: >> anyway.  In our society, universities have become
>: >> publically-financed liberal seminaries, so we have to use
>: >> whatever outlets we can to trade concepts in dealing with
>: >> people like you.  The Internet is beautiful that way.
>: >>     Everybody knows hundreds of you on every campus, so I am
>: >> not really worried about impressing you one way or the other.
>: >> My concepts are aimed at those who can use them.
>
>: >You seem very jealous. We're you rejected by the local Community College
>: >or just laughed at by distinguished professionals in general?!!
>
>    *snicker*  He probably was.
>
>:      References mean you are taking the other guy's "ideas" 
>: seriously.  Declaring that "solving the race problem" means The 
>: Final Solution to the White Problem does not deserve respect.
>
>    Cop out.
>
>:       I pointed out once in a review of one of Galbraith's  
>: books for *National Review* that "what has failed is not 
>: libealism in theory, but liberalism in practice."   Entering 
>: into their delusions with them is not the way to deal with them.
>:       The clones are legitimate products of their century.
>: Their sickness and intellectual vacuity is demonstrated by the 
>: fact that they are actually proud of that.
>
>    Bullshit.  *You* are a product of this racist society.  And you're
>also a product of this lazy society.  You just take the easy way out-
>just go by your own limited experience, don't back up any assertion you
>make (your cop out above being the evidence of this), and with the
>things you say about non-White people, I get the impression that you
>don't know any non-White people.


Godamighty, that really is truly straight out of Mommy 
Professor's lectures!   You have no intellectual shame AT ALL< 
do you?
     I have worked with nonwhites at every level all my life.  
I have also lived in four laguages.   In each language, i have 
dealt with people I respected.
     But if one of those people said, "Well, if you respect me, 
you've got to agre I have the right to American citizenship or 
you're not my fried."   I would tell them to go screw 
themselves.
      Same with nonwhites.  If I have to be willing to have 
them pour into all white cvoutnries to be their friend, fuck 
'em.
      Your Mommy Professor tells you about sophistocation and 
knowing nonwhites, etc., but university social science 
professors are among the most intellectually inbred, helpless, 
unsophistocated people on earth.  Their little academic 
bureaucracy breeds out disagreement or serious  thought.  And 
you lap up the result!
       You  have been cheated of a real education.   As a 
result, you cannot make distinctions -- in the truest sense of 
the term you cannot discriminate.   No one has the riight to 
demand that you recognize their American citizenship as the 
price of their friendship, and no nonwhite can demand that, if 
I want to be their friend, I have to approve of massive 
nonwhite immigration into white countries.  
       I know you cannot understand the difference.  As I say, 
you never learned to discriminate in the way a person who had 
an education -- as opposed to training in a liberal seminary -- 
would be able to do. 
      



>:        Clones carry the disease of the twentieth century.   It 
>: is that disease, not details, we must look at. 
>
>    WTFE.  As I said above, *you're* the one who's the negative product
>of this society.
>
>        Phil Kasiecki
>
>--
>Philip T. Kasiecki
>Electrical and Computer Engineering
>Northeastern University Class of 1999


>
>:        Clones carry the disease of the twentieth century.   It 
>: is that disease, not details, we must look at. 
>
>    WTFE.  As I said above, *you're* the one who's the negative product
>of this society.
>
>        Phil Kasiecki
>
>--
>Philip T. Kasiecki
>Electrical and Computer Engineering
>Northeastern University Class of 1999




From bwhit@conterra.com Wed Aug 14 10:28:42 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white
Subject: Re: I don't get it
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    You're a good boy.

emwa01@jax-inter.net (gunner) wrote:
>I don't get it, when I look into the many different newsgroups. Seems
>to be an extra large amount of racially biased idiots. Now, I am sure
>that these idiots were not born with their predjudice mindsets, it is
>something that they had to be taught by who ever the idiot was before
>them.  I see a lot of post about how "Niggers" are doing this and
>doing that; I see the post about how "Anyone can beat a Nigger". Let's
>face it folks, blacks do not cover their faces.  Yeah, you know who I
>am talking about.  Face it, there are only two reasons why people wear
>masks; (1) Fear (2) Shame. If I were reduced to wearing a sheet and
>mask, then I would be ashamed as well.  And let's talk about these
>Bald Wonders, I think you refer to them as Skinheads.  Just a bunch of
>young boys without a clue and looking for some love and attention,
>because it is obvious that their parents didn't provide that element
>for them.  Then there is the, need I say, Aryan Nation.  Come on out
>of the closet boys, if that is what you choose to call yourselves,
>goodness knows the people with comon sense do not consider you as
>such. Maybe Mr. Rivera should have hit that fool just a little harder,
>because if I were in his shoes, I would have nailed the fool with
>whatever I had at my disposal. You white power fanatics talk of how
>you would just walk into a city and take over, well, The Klan had that
>idea about Washington DC, in 1983; Let me be the first to tell you, My
>friends and I took great pride in Whipping Their Ever Loving Asses
>that day.  Of course, it would not have happened that way, had they
>just come and hold their little march and get out of town, but no,
>they had to start that White Supremist Crap, and we lit into them.  I
>may seem like one voice, but I speak with the voice of millions, more
>than any White Supremist will ever imagine.  I guess what I am trying
>to say is, Racism is an illness, and several us us are the doctors.
>
>There you go people, FLAME ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>Gunner
>
>




From bwhit@conterra.com Wed Aug 14 11:29:17 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
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Subject: Re: Don't Waste Your Vote on the Harry Browne Campaign
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warrl@blarg.net (Warrl kyree Tale'sedrin) wrote:
>Americanist Party  wrote:
>
>>Brian Johnston wrote:
>>> 
>>> If I don't "waste" my vote on Harry Browne, which candidate would it
>>> be better WASTED on?  The two main parties are a waste.
>
>>Vote Ross Perot he understands what ails America. And he won't sell out 
>>America. He is the best choice.
>
>I read one of his books.
>
>Ross Perot is the sound-bite king.
>
>On one page he's saying taxes are too high, twenty pages later he says
>we need a tax increase.
>
>Here he's saying we are over-regulated, there he's proposing new
>regulations to add onto the old one.
>
>It is almost certainly true that Ross Perot has the right answers: he
>embraces so many possible answers, often mutually contradictory, that
>it would be hard for him to miss.
>
>The question is: of all the answers he has, which ones will he
>actually try to implement?
>
>
    Good Lord, he sounds exactly like the other two, doesn't 
he?



From bwhit@conterra.com Wed Aug 14 11:29:19 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
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Subject: Re: Colin Powell kicks ass !!!!!!
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jakala@netcom.com (henry jakala) wrote:
>
>  quite a speaker and stuck it to Klinton a few times too to boot !!!
>
>
>  me thinks the Klintonista hordes are gonna get their butts kicked this
>  time around, soyanara losers !!!  bwahahahaha - it's off to the dustbin
>  of history with those of your ilk
>
>
>
>                                                          jakala@netcom.com
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>"Clinton's an unusually good liar.  Unusually good.  Do you realize that ?"
>
>      Sen. Bob Kerrey (D-Neb), Esquire, January 1996
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>"The President has kept all of the promises he intended to keep."
>
>      George Stephanopolous on "Larry King Live" - 2/16/96
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Hillary commenting on the release of subpeonaed documents
>
>   "I'm not going to have some reporters pawing through our papers.
>    We are the president."
>
>       James B. Stewart - Blood Sport:The President and His Adversaries
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
jakala@netcom.com (henry jakala) wrote:
>
>  quite a speaker and stuck it to Klinton a few times too to boot !!!
>
>
>  me thinks the Klintonista hordes are gonna get their butts kicked this
>  time around, soyanara losers !!!  bwahahahaha - it's off to the dustbin
>  of history with those of your ilk
>
>
>
>                                                          jakala@netcom.com
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>"Clinton's an unusually good liar.  Unusually good.  Do you realize that ?"
>
>      Sen. Bob Kerrey (D-Neb), Esquire, January 1996
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>"The President has kept all of the promises he intended to keep."
>
>      George Stephanopolous on "Larry King Live" - 2/16/96
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Hillary commenting on the release of subpeonaed documents
>
>   "I'm not going to have some reporters pawing through our papers.
>    We are the president."
>
>       James B. Stewart - Blood Sport:The President and His Adversaries
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
     Powell could have turned around and farted into the 
microphone and you'd be talking about how great it was.



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From: bob whitaker 
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Subject: Re: Harry Browne is getting stronger
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dscruggs@interaccess.com (Derek Scruggs) wrote:
>>The purpose of that law was, of course, to deny the free market --which,
>>where it operated, OBVIOUSLY did not have that effect.
>>
>>Elementary history.
>
>Sure, there were laws, but when were they enforced? Only when white
>restaurant owners called the police. It's not like there were cops
>cruising around looking for Jim Crow violations. The free market was
>in full effect--"I ain't about to eat dinner with a nigger sitting
>next to me."
>
>I'm from the south. Things have progressed mightily since the 50's,
>and there's no way you can convince me that they would have progressed
>as quickly in the libertarian utopia of the free market. 
>
>--Derek
>
>
>************************
>The following sentence is true.
>The preceding sentence is false.
>
>http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/6421/
>************************


    I am from the South, too(note I respect and capitalize it, 
unlike this turncoat scum above).   "Progress", hell, 
absolutely everything the most rabid segregationist said would 
happen with integration has happened.  Everything these 
"progressives" said wouldnot happen has happened.
    This obligatory "gosh things have got better crap" has no 
basis in fact at all.
     But these turncoat clowns would say it was all great if we 
were on fire.  They think it makes em look good.



From bwhit@conterra.com Wed Aug 14 17:51:20 PDT 1996
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pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu (Philip Kasiecki) wrote:
>bob whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
>: pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu (Philip Kasiecki) wrote:
>: >bob whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
>: >: Stefan Andreasson  wrote:
>: >: >bob whitaker wrote:
>: >: >>     Little Beaver, you've already used that line at least twice.
>: >: >>     As I said, I'm not actually talking to you and your clones
>: >: >> anyway.  In our society, universities have become
>: >: >> publically-financed liberal seminaries, so we have to use
>: >: >> whatever outlets we can to trade concepts in dealing with
>: >: >> people like you.  The Internet is beautiful that way.
>: >: >>     Everybody knows hundreds of you on every campus, so I am
>: >: >> not really worried about impressing you one way or the other.
>: >: >> My concepts are aimed at those who can use them.
>
>: >: >You seem very jealous. We're you rejected by the local Community
>: >: >College or just laughed at by distinguished professionals in general?!!
>
>: >    *snicker*  He probably was.
>
>: >:      References mean you are taking the other guy's "ideas" 
>: >: seriously.  Declaring that "solving the race problem" means The 
>: >: Final Solution to the White Problem does not deserve respect.
>
>: >    Cop out.
>
>: >:       I pointed out once in a review of one of Galbraith's  
>: >: books for *National Review* that "what has failed is not 
>: >: libealism in theory, but liberalism in practice."   Entering 
>: >: into their delusions with them is not the way to deal with them.
>: >:       The clones are legitimate products of their century.
>: >: Their sickness and intellectual vacuity is demonstrated by the 
>: >: fact that they are actually proud of that.
>
>: >    Bullshit.  *You* are a product of this racist society.  And you're
>: >also a product of this lazy society.  You just take the easy way out-
>: >just go by your own limited experience, don't back up any assertion you
>: >make (your cop out above being the evidence of this), and with the
>: >things you say about non-White people, I get the impression that you
>: >don't know any non-White people.
>
>: >:        Clones carry the disease of the twentieth century.   It 
>: >: is that disease, not details, we must look at. 
>
>: >    WTFE.  As I said above, *you're* the one who's the negative product
>: >of this society.
>
>: Godamighty, that really is truly straight out of Mommy Professor's 
>: lectures!   You have no intellectual shame AT ALL do you?
>
>    WTFE.
>
>:      I have worked with nonwhites at every level all my life.  
>
>    Could have fooled me, going by the drivel you post.
>
>: I have also lived in four laguages.   In each language, i have 
>: dealt with people I respected.
>
>    Hmmm...I never knew one could line in a language.  What was that
>like, Bob?  This would be a great breakthrough.  (Living in a
>language...I'll have to be scoop everyone on this!!)
>
>:      But if one of those people said, "Well, if you respect me, 
>: you've got to agree I have the right to American citizenship or 
>: you're not my friend."   I would tell them to go screw themselves.
>
>    And I would tell you to go f*ck yourself. 
          

 If they come to this
>country, and want to live here, they have that right.  Maybe saying that
>your not his friend was a little off- but he was on the right track, IMO.
   

Please try to be a little less dense.   The people I spoke with 
in three of those laguages were mostly not in the US.  They're 
the ones I am talkin about.


>
>:      Same with nonwhites.  If I have to be willing to have 
>: them pour into all white cvoutnries to be their friend, fuck 'em.
>
>    Maybe as far as friendship goes, yeah, but otherwise, read my last
>statement.
>
>:       Your Mommy Professor tells you about sophistocation and 
>: knowing nonwhites, etc., but university social science professors 
>: are among the most intellectually inbred, helpless, unsophistocated 
>: people on earth.  Their little academic bureaucracy breeds out 
>: disagreement or serious thought.  And you lap up the result!
>
>    This is pure BULLSHIT.
>    First off, perhaps you have failed to notice that I am an engineering
>student.  That means I only take a few liberal arts courses, and only a
>few will be sociology ones.  Secondly, I'd love to see you say that to
>Jack Levin's face.  Levin is a sociology professor at NU, who is well- 
>respected by many across the country.  And yes, NU is very much a
>bureaucracy, but so what?  No one wins in that scenario.  And your next
>to last statement makes one thing obvious- you've never been to any of
>the discussions I've been to at NU.  There's plenty of disagreement, but
>it's handled intelligently, and thus most discussion is intelligent and
>worthwhile. 

     Boy!   Only a clone would think that every responsibvle 
point of view is represented at a discussion allowed at an 
eastern university!
     You clones are so clueless.  It never even occurs to you 
to wonder about the people who read this and cannot put in 
their opinions because nasty little Politically Correct good 
boys like you would "expose" them for it later, and ruin their 
careers.   It is a risk only an old fart like me can take, but 
I speak for lots of people in lots of places.  That what I was 
doing in press conferences and in my first book, which was 
aimed at establishment libreals and conservatives, and was 
called *A Plague On Both Your Houses*..  I had a small 
publisher for that one, but it got into the *Review of 
Reviews*, because reviewers could tell I wa speaking for a huge 
number of people you prevent from being able to speak for 
themselves.


 I've learned a great deal at these discussions, as I've
>been exposed to multiple viewpoints, views other than my own, on many
>important issues.
>
>:        You have been cheated of a real education.   As a 
>: result, you cannot make distinctions -- in the truest sense of 
>: the term you cannot discriminate.   No one has the right to 
>: demand that you recognize their American citizenship as the 
>: price of their friendship, and no nonwhite can demand that, if 
>: I want to be their friend, I have to approve of massive 
>: nonwhite immigration into white countries.  
>
>    I agree with this- but no further.  In other words, yes, it's
>ridiculous to say that you're not their friend for this, but I go no
>further than that.
>    There is one point on which you are very right, but I don't think you
>meant it in the way I do.  I have been cheated of a real education. 
>There's no doubt about it.  And I'm referring to an issue right in this
>arena.  My history courses, both US and world history, have neglected
>Blacks.  When I was in the 6th grade, my class covered world history. 
>We might have spent, oh, about two weeks covering African history, over
>about a nine month school year.  In high school, I took a course in world
>cultures which covered sub-Saharan Africa, but barely went beyond its 
>geography.  I also took a course in 20th century US history.  Let's just
>say that when I recently read a book called "Race Rebels" Culture,
>Politics, and the Black Working Class" by Robin D.G. Kelley, I learned an
>incredible amount about the 20th century in America that I did not know 
>before, and by then had a very good idea of just how badly my education 
>has failed me.
>
>:        I know you cannot understand the difference.  As I say, you 
>: never learned to discriminate in the way a person who had an education
>: -- as opposed to training in a liberal seminary -- would be able to do. 
>
>    WTFE.
>    I never learned to discriminate because my parents didn't raise me
>that way.


      As I said, I was using the word "dicriminate" in 
something besides its Libspeak contxt, which refers only to 
race.   
     As I also said, trying to get a concept like that across 
to a clone is like trying to push toothpaste back into a tube. 
  Fortunealy, also as I have said, this is not for you, but for 
those you do not allow to speak.

       
  They taught me that people are people.  It's kind of odd,
>because my parents are racist in some ways, but they didn't raise me
>that way.
>    By the way, Bob, what's with your server?  You only have about four 
>or five copies of my original post here.
>
>        Phil "it makes sense- his server, like he, is fucked-up" Kasiecki
>
>--
>Philip T. Kasiecki
>Electrical and Computer Engineering
>Northeastern University Class of 1999




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pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu (Philip Kasiecki) wrote:
>bob whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
>: pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu (Philip Kasiecki) wrote:
>: >bob whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
>: >: Stefan Andreasson  wrote:
>: >: >bob whitaker wrote:
>: >: >>     Little Beaver, you've already used that line at least twice.
>: >: >>     As I said, I'm not actually talking to you and your clones
>: >: >> anyway.  In our society, universities have become
>: >: >> publically-financed liberal seminaries, so we have to use
>: >: >> whatever outlets we can to trade concepts in dealing with
>: >: >> people like you.  The Internet is beautiful that way.
>: >: >>     Everybody knows hundreds of you on every campus, so I am
>: >: >> not really worried about impressing you one way or the other.
>: >: >> My concepts are aimed at those who can use them.
>
>: >: >You seem very jealous. We're you rejected by the local Community
>: >: >College or just laughed at by distinguished professionals in general?!!
>
>: >    *snicker*  He probably was.
>
>: >:      References mean you are taking the other guy's "ideas" 
>: >: seriously.  Declaring that "solving the race problem" means The 
>: >: Final Solution to the White Problem does not deserve respect.
>
>: >    Cop out.
>
>: >:       I pointed out once in a review of one of Galbraith's  
>: >: books for *National Review* that "what has failed is not 
>: >: libealism in theory, but liberalism in practice."   Entering 
>: >: into their delusions with them is not the way to deal with them.
>: >:       The clones are legitimate products of their century.
>: >: Their sickness and intellectual vacuity is demonstrated by the 
>: >: fact that they are actually proud of that.
>
>: >    Bullshit.  *You* are a product of this racist society.  And you're
>: >also a product of this lazy society.  You just take the easy way out-
>: >just go by your own limited experience, don't back up any assertion you
>: >make (your cop out above being the evidence of this), and with the
>: >things you say about non-White people, I get the impression that you
>: >don't know any non-White people.
>
>: >:        Clones carry the disease of the twentieth century.   It 
>: >: is that disease, not details, we must look at. 
>
>: >    WTFE.  As I said above, *you're* the one who's the negative product
>: >of this society.
>
>: Godamighty, that really is truly straight out of Mommy Professor's 
>: lectures!   You have no intellectual shame AT ALL do you?
>
>    WTFE.
>
>:      I have worked with nonwhites at every level all my life.  
>
>    Could have fooled me, going by the drivel you post.
>
>: I have also lived in four laguages.   In each language, i have 
>: dealt with people I respected.
>
>    Hmmm...I never knew one could line in a language.  What was that
>like, Bob?  This would be a great breakthrough.  (Living in a
>language...I'll have to be scoop everyone on this!!)
>
>:      But if one of those people said, "Well, if you respect me, 
>: you've got to agree I have the right to American citizenship or 
>: you're not my friend."   I would tell them to go screw themselves.
>
>    And I would tell you to go f*ck yourself. 
          

 If they come to this
>country, and want to live here, they have that right.  Maybe saying that
>your not his friend was a little off- but he was on the right track, IMO.
   

Please try to be a little less dense.   The people I spoke with 
in three of those laguages were mostly not in the US.  They're 
the ones I am talkin about.


>
>:      Same with nonwhites.  If I have to be willing to have 
>: them pour into all white cvoutnries to be their friend, fuck 'em.
>
>    Maybe as far as friendship goes, yeah, but otherwise, read my last
>statement.
>
>:       Your Mommy Professor tells you about sophistocation and 
>: knowing nonwhites, etc., but university social science professors 
>: are among the most intellectually inbred, helpless, unsophistocated 
>: people on earth.  Their little academic bureaucracy breeds out 
>: disagreement or serious thought.  And you lap up the result!
>
>    This is pure BULLSHIT.
>    First off, perhaps you have failed to notice that I am an engineering
>student.  That means I only take a few liberal arts courses, and only a
>few will be sociology ones.  Secondly, I'd love to see you say that to
>Jack Levin's face.  Levin is a sociology professor at NU, who is well- 
>respected by many across the country.  And yes, NU is very much a
>bureaucracy, but so what?  No one wins in that scenario.  And your next
>to last statement makes one thing obvious- you've never been to any of
>the discussions I've been to at NU.  There's plenty of disagreement, but
>it's handled intelligently, and thus most discussion is intelligent and
>worthwhile. 

     Boy!   Only a clone would think that every responsibvle 
point of view is represented at a discussion allowed at an 
eastern university!
     You clones are so clueless.  It never even occurs to you 
to wonder about the people who read this and cannot put in 
their opinions because nasty little Politically Correct good 
boys like you would "expose" them for it later, and ruin their 
careers.   It is a risk only an old fart like me can take, but 
I speak for lots of people in lots of places.  That what I was 
doing in press conferences and in my first book, which was 
aimed at establishment libreals and conservatives, and was 
called *A Plague On Both Your Houses*..  I had a small 
publisher for that one, but it got into the *Review of 
Reviews*, because reviewers could tell I wa speaking for a huge 
number of people you prevent from being able to speak for 
themselves.


 I've learned a great deal at these discussions, as I've
>been exposed to multiple viewpoints, views other than my own, on many
>important issues.
>
>:        You have been cheated of a real education.   As a 
>: result, you cannot make distinctions -- in the truest sense of 
>: the term you cannot discriminate.   No one has the right to 
>: demand that you recognize their American citizenship as the 
>: price of their friendship, and no nonwhite can demand that, if 
>: I want to be their friend, I have to approve of massive 
>: nonwhite immigration into white countries.  
>
>    I agree with this- but no further.  In other words, yes, it's
>ridiculous to say that you're not their friend for this, but I go no
>further than that.
>    There is one point on which you are very right, but I don't think you
>meant it in the way I do.  I have been cheated of a real education. 
>There's no doubt about it.  And I'm referring to an issue right in this
>arena.  My history courses, both US and world history, have neglected
>Blacks.  When I was in the 6th grade, my class covered world history. 
>We might have spent, oh, about two weeks covering African history, over
>about a nine month school year.  In high school, I took a course in world
>cultures which covered sub-Saharan Africa, but barely went beyond its 
>geography.  I also took a course in 20th century US history.  Let's just
>say that when I recently read a book called "Race Rebels" Culture,
>Politics, and the Black Working Class" by Robin D.G. Kelley, I learned an
>incredible amount about the 20th century in America that I did not know 
>before, and by then had a very good idea of just how badly my education 
>has failed me.
>
>:        I know you cannot understand the difference.  As I say, you 
>: never learned to discriminate in the way a person who had an education
>: -- as opposed to training in a liberal seminary -- would be able to do. 
>
>    WTFE.
>    I never learned to discriminate because my parents didn't raise me
>that way.


      As I said, I was using the word "dicriminate" in 
something besides its Libspeak contxt, which refers only to 
race.   
     As I also said, trying to get a concept like that across 
to a clone is like trying to push toothpaste back into a tube. 
  Fortunealy, also as I have said, this is not for you, but for 
those you do not allow to speak.

       
  They taught me that people are people.  It's kind of odd,
>because my parents are racist in some ways, but they didn't raise me
>that way.
>    By the way, Bob, what's with your server?  You only have about four 
>or five copies of my original post here.
>
>        Phil "it makes sense- his server, like he, is fucked-up" Kasiecki
>
>--
>Philip T. Kasiecki
>Electrical and Computer Engineering
>Northeastern University Class of 1999




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Laura Finsten  wrote:
>bob whitaker  wrote:
>>Laura Finsten  wrote:
>
>[...]
>
>>    I thought you were telling me again that you didn't 
>>understand what I was talking about -- the old DUHH! routine.  
>>You use it a lot, you know.
>
>
>If you were either capable of or willing to make the effort
>to express yourself intelligibly, Mr. Whitaker, I might not
>need to ask you what you are talking about so often.  But of
>course, when people can't understand what you're raving about,
>in your mind it means that they're idiots, doesn't it, Mr.
>Whitaker.  It couldn't possibly mean that you're not getting
>your point across.  No wonder you spun out in academia.  


    Actually, since you cannot get over a Mommy professor who 
turned against you, let me state that I went from academia to 
the House Education and Labor Committee staff, where I sat on 
those bastards' heads.

>
>
>"If I can't dance.....I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>          Emma Goldman
>
>




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Subject: Re: You Can _Never_ Have Too Much Diversity (ADV)
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Laura Finsten  wrote:
>bob whitaker  wrote:
>>Laura Finsten  wrote:
>
>[...]
>
>>    I thought you were telling me again that you didn't 
>>understand what I was talking about -- the old DUHH! routine.  
>>You use it a lot, you know.
>
>
>If you were either capable of or willing to make the effort
>to express yourself intelligibly, Mr. Whitaker, I might not
>need to ask you what you are talking about so often.  But of
>course, when people can't understand what you're raving about,
>in your mind it means that they're idiots, doesn't it, Mr.
>Whitaker.  It couldn't possibly mean that you're not getting
>your point across.  No wonder you spun out in academia.  


    Actually, since you cannot get over a Mommy professor who 
turned against you, let me state that I went from academia to 
the House Education and Labor Committee staff, where I sat on 
those bastards' heads.

>
>
>"If I can't dance.....I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>          Emma Goldman
>
>




From bwhit@conterra.com Thu Aug 15 10:08:23 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.equality,alt.society.conservatism,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: You Can _Never_ Have Too Much Diversity (ADV)
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slking@course2.harvard.edu (Stewart King) wrote:
>bob whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
>
>:      At the publically supported liberal seminaries we call 
>: universities, what Mommy Professor teaches these clones is that 
>: Hitler was uniquely evil, and he was evil only because he 
>: opposed racial intermarriage.
>
>As a resident of said liberal seminaries I can assure you this is, well,
>wrong.  
>
>As a matter of fact, the whole time I've been here nobody's really
>tried to influence my political bent one way or another. 

Yea, right.


 I've probably
>become a bit more liberal on the whole but that's usenet's fault.
>Seriously.
>
>The PC-a-thon that you-all see is, ironically enough, mostly a media
>thing.  It's kind of a bee in the bonnet of the university
>administrations sometimes, but their brainwashing techniques just aren't
>that effective.  I mean, you really think that we just sit there with
>glazed eyes and drooping mouths as they teach us things like "Hitler was
>evil because he wasn't liberal enough" and then we kind of turn to each
>other and go, "duh, YEAH!" without ever suspecting anything?

   Apparently, in your case, that's very close to true.




>That really what you think?  Bear in mind I'm mocking you here.
>
>This whole PC thing is a beautiful excuse to discount the opinions of an
>entire generation of people who can think coherently enough to attend
>universities in the first place, though, so I have to give you credit
>there.
>
>:       Rather than seeing Hitler in the context of a 
>: totalitairan disease in our century, the liberal seminsary 
>: needs him as a unique phenomenon, only evil because he was not 
>: a leftist.
>:       Finstin is so beautifully clonish: the whole concept is 
>: totally beyond her. 
>
>Oh, stop it.
>
>
>Stewart.
>
>--
>"While Orientals are busy studying the violin, Euro-stock sinks into the
>black hole of Electronic-Niggerdom."
>	- , in alt.politics.nationalism.white




From bwhit@conterra.com Thu Aug 15 10:10:35 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
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Subject: Re: ISN'T WHITE SELF-SACRIFICE A FORM OF WHITE SUPREMACY?
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Laura Finsten  wrote:
>Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote:
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>>Laura Finsten wrote:
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>>> "Is happening", Mr. Strom?  When has the United States or Canada *ever*
>>> been "uni-racial"?????  Given the way "race" has been alternately defined
>>> historically, it would be very difficult to argue that any modern European
>>> nation-state was ever "uni-racial", since state-making in Europe unified
>>> under the umbrella of a single political entity various groups who had
>>> historically seen themselves as distinct from others.
>
>>Brown -- who has weaseled out of answering any of my questions -- had 
>>asserted that Mr. Whitaker was erecting a "straw man" when he (Whitaker) 
>>said that all majority-White countries were today expected to be 
>>multiracial. Of course, it wasn't and isn't a straw man, as all observant 
>>and literate people well know. That was the only issue in question in my 
>>post; though I can see how following Brown's twists and evasions and 
>>non-sequiturs as he attempts to avoid answering my simple and direct 
>>questions can easily be confusing to the reader.
>
>Well, it wasn't the only issue in my post.  The one you failed to address
>at all is in my original paragraph above.  But since you seem to have
>missed it the first time through, I'll repeat here, and rephrase it, as
>well.
>
>When have contemporary North American nations ever been "uni-racial"?
>If you are going to argue that they have been, please define the term
>for me.  I don't mind if you limit your answer to the United States.
>But I sure would like an answer to my question, because it seems to
>me that *your* argument is based on a strawman.
>
    Strom should use the term "white majority" countries, as I 
do.  He does have as much experience in dealing with your 
standard clone quibbles as I do.
    You'll have to come up with another standard quibble to 
avoid the question, which was, "Isn't white self-sacrifice a 
form of white supremacy."


>
>"If I can't dance.....I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>          Emma Goldman
>
>




From bwhit@conterra.com Thu Aug 15 11:02:04 PDT 1996
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   At Fidel's seventieth birthday party, the theme song should 
have been, "Down Yonder Someone's Waiting For You".



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conroyt@bu.edu (thomas conroy) wrote:
>henry jakala (jakala@netcom.com) wrote:
>
>:   quite a speaker and stuck it to Klinton a few times too to boot !!!
>
>Yes, I particularly liked it when hs said that we need to start welfare reform
>with corporate welfare, and got polite applause; then he said we need to end
>entitlements and the crowd went nuts. It suggested that people hear what they
>want to hear in a speech.
>
>
>I also liked it when he got booed (by some) for suggesting a range of opinion 
>exists on the abortion issue. 

     Is there any possibility that when the possibility of such 
a difference of opinion is not mentioned at the Democratic 
Convention, you will notice it, and that you will notice that 
no commentator will mention it?
     I doubt it VERY seriously.



>Powell's a good man; I disagree with some of his political beliefs, but he's a
>good, decent guy. Too bad for him and for us that he's way too liberal for the
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From bwhit@conterra.com Thu Aug 15 11:02:11 PDT 1996
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"Ladonna K. Dalton"  wrote:
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>> >  Did you hear that Dole is dropping hints (in Denver yesterday) that
>> >he'll nominate Rush Limbaugh or Newt Gingrich for the next open Supreme
>> >Court slot? The rightists would OWN the damn Court if that happened.
>> >  Seems Limboat does have a law degree from some podunk institution,
>> >though he never practiced.
>>
>> Yeah, right.  Limbaugh barely earned a high school diploma.  His
>> father & grandfather were lawyers, but Rush doesn't have the
>> brainpower.  Limbaugh on the Supreme Court - that's not scary, because
>> there is absolutely no way it could ever happen, but it _is_ funny...
>
>Don't laugh too hard just yet!!  When Clinton ran for president in 1992, I
>thougt to myself, No way!!!  This is some sort of joke, we wouldn't put
>some womanizing goon who was over in foreign land protesting our country,
>in charge of American.  I thought, that's not scary, it's funny.  It will
>never happen, but low and behold, the American public put a joke in office
>and it's been like one bad episode of Saturday night live ever since!!  So
>don't think it couldn't happen!
>
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> > > > Could Gingrich (not a lawyer, I don't
>> >believe) be appointed?

   Has anybody noticed that it says, "We the People", not "We 
the Lawyers".  Non-lawyers were not barred from *writing* the 
Constitution.
    If the Constitution is to be determined by lawyers, 
shouldn't we put doctors in charge of all questions of 
Medicare, etc.?



>> Earl Warren wasn't a lawyer, was he?  Certainly not a practicing one -

Warren was a lawyer, and he certainly increased business for 
that profession massively.


>> he was Governor of California.
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From bwhit@conterra.com Thu Aug 15 11:02:12 PDT 1996
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lenf@nntp.best.com (Len Freeman) wrote:
>JR Shiflett (shiflett@microtronics.com) wrote:
>: One need only read the relentless mindless rantings of the impotent
>: little pukes who flood the internet newsgroups with their Rushophobic
>: blathering to know how inferior and defective these people are in
>: thought processes and truth discernment. Now there is a University study
>: that shows the failings of the Leftists Anti-Rush bigots.
>
>: A study by the University of Pennsylvania's Annenberg School for
>: Communication said talk radio listeners consume more news from all kinds
>: of outlets, except television, and are more knowledgeable than
>: nonlisteners.
>
>Then why its it, tell me, that none of you guys, apparently, knows how to
>spell 'loser'?  8^) 
>


     Somebody who criticizes *spelling* on the Internet really 
needs to get a life!



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slking@course2.harvard.edu (Stewart King) wrote:
>bob whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
>
>:      At the publically supported liberal seminaries we call 
>: universities, what Mommy Professor teaches these clones is that 
>: Hitler was uniquely evil, and he was evil only because he 
>: opposed racial intermarriage.
>
>As a resident of said liberal seminaries I can assure you this is, well,
>wrong.  
>
>As a matter of fact, the whole time I've been here nobody's really
>tried to influence my political bent one way or another. 

Yea, right.


 I've probably
>become a bit more liberal on the whole but that's usenet's fault.
>Seriously.
>
>The PC-a-thon that you-all see is, ironically enough, mostly a media
>thing.  It's kind of a bee in the bonnet of the university
>administrations sometimes, but their brainwashing techniques just aren't
>that effective.  I mean, you really think that we just sit there with
>glazed eyes and drooping mouths as they teach us things like "Hitler was
>evil because he wasn't liberal enough" and then we kind of turn to each
>other and go, "duh, YEAH!" without ever suspecting anything?

   Apparently, in your case, that's very close to true.




>That really what you think?  Bear in mind I'm mocking you here.
>
>This whole PC thing is a beautiful excuse to discount the opinions of an
>entire generation of people who can think coherently enough to attend
>universities in the first place, though, so I have to give you credit
>there.
>
>:       Rather than seeing Hitler in the context of a 
>: totalitairan disease in our century, the liberal seminsary 
>: needs him as a unique phenomenon, only evil because he was not 
>: a leftist.
>:       Finstin is so beautifully clonish: the whole concept is 
>: totally beyond her. 
>
>Oh, stop it.
>
>
>Stewart.
>
>--
>"While Orientals are busy studying the violin, Euro-stock sinks into the
>black hole of Electronic-Niggerdom."
>	- , in alt.politics.nationalism.white




From bwhit@conterra.com Thu Aug 15 11:02:14 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
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Subject: Re: Dole Forgets His Own Majorityship
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bhay@usa.net wrote:
>In article <320E5DAD.E4A@scruznet.com>, kangaroo@scruznet.com says...
>>
>>Dole must have experienced total amnesia when making this claim in his
>>speech unveiling his 15-percent tax cuts:
>>
>>> I want to return to tax cuts -- this time balancing the budget with a
>>> Republican Congress and finishing the job Ronald Reagan started
>>> so brilliantly but could not complete because the Democrats
>>> refused as usual to reduce spending...
>>
>>Apparently Dole forgot that the Republicans controlled the Senate from
>>1981 to 1986, and that Dole himself was actually the Senate Majority 
>Leader from 
>>1985 to 1986. With Reagan in the White House holding the veto pen, the 
>>GOP was actually the dominant player in the budget process, and bears
>>most of the blame for the resulting deficits.
>>
>>Steve Kangas
>>http://www.scruz.net/~kangaroo/
>
>I don't think so.... I believe the House is in charge of appropriations 
>for the most part... and the Dems had the majority... Illustrious figures 
>such as Dan Rostenkowski were caring for us in those wonderful days.
>
   But the man has a point.  Remember Dole is a *moderate* 
Republican, which means that anything liberals *really* want, 
he'll fight for.  




From bwhit@conterra.com Thu Aug 15 11:02:14 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
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Subject: Re: TIME Magazine - Republican Life on Mars
Date: 14 Aug 1996 22:27:51 GMT
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mross@goldengate.net (Michael King Ross) wrote:
>Have you seen the cover of the current Time Magazine?  Headline "Life
>on Mars" over a picture of Kemp/Dole, touting "Special Report on the
>Republicans".
>
>This one is worth framing. 
>
>
>'king Ross
>

    The life onMars is only three billion years old, which is 
too progressive for me.
    I personally think the Big Bang was a terrible mistake.




From bwhit@conterra.com Thu Aug 15 11:02:15 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Colin Powell kicks ass !!!!!!
Date: 14 Aug 1996 23:14:47 GMT
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drdave  wrote:
>> jakala@netcom.com (henry jakala) wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> >  quite a speaker and stuck it to Klinton a few times too to boot !!!
>> 
>> 
>> >  me thinks the Klintonista hordes are gonna get their butts kicked this
>> >  time around, soyanara losers !!!  bwahahahaha - it's off to the dustbin
>> >  of history with those of your ilk
>
>
>It seems you missed the part in Gen. Powell's speech about adopting a 
>positive,  civil tone for the political debate.
>
>(I thought it was hilarious when he said that and the silence wsa dman 
>near deafening).
>
>
>                 ***************************************
>      
>      With the GOP Convention under way, I'm reminded of just 
>      how awful Pat Buchanan's speech was last time.  But in	
>      all fairness to Pat, someone pointed out that it was  
>           probably much better in the original German.
>
>	         ***************************************  
>          drdave@netgate.net    http://www.netgate.net/~drdave
>  
     I repeat: If Powell had gotten up, turned around, and 
farted into the micriphone, this same crowd would be talking 
about his great and brave speech.
     I just thought that, among all the repectable 
conservatives and respectable liberals, there should be room 
for one American who hates ass-kissing.   
>




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Subject: Re: Rush-Hating Bigots are big loosers! Now there is research proof!!
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lenf@nntp.best.com (Len Freeman) wrote:
>JR Shiflett (shiflett@microtronics.com) wrote:
>: One need only read the relentless mindless rantings of the impotent
>: little pukes who flood the internet newsgroups with their Rushophobic
>: blathering to know how inferior and defective these people are in
>: thought processes and truth discernment. Now there is a University study
>: that shows the failings of the Leftists Anti-Rush bigots.
>
>: A study by the University of Pennsylvania's Annenberg School for
>: Communication said talk radio listeners consume more news from all kinds
>: of outlets, except television, and are more knowledgeable than
>: nonlisteners.
>
>Then why its it, tell me, that none of you guys, apparently, knows how to
>spell 'loser'?  8^) 
>


     Somebody who criticizes *spelling* on the Internet really 
needs to get a life!



From bwhit@conterra.com Thu Aug 15 11:12:23 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
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Subject: Re: A  Tribute to a View I Have Opposed
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Lawrence Kennon  wrote:
>[ extracts from ]
>
>'A  Tribute to a View I Have Opposed'
>
>by Marvin E. Wolfgang
>The Journal of Criminal Law & Criminology
>Northwestern University, School of Law
>Vol 86, No. 1, Fall 1995
>pages 188, 191 & 192.
>
>'I am as strong a gun-control advocate as can be found among the
>criminologists in this country.  If I were Mustapha Mond of Brave New
>World, I would eliminate all guns from the civilian population and
>maybe even from the police.  I hate guns - ugly, nasty instruments
>designed to kill people......
>
>What troubles me is the article by Gary Kleck and Marc Gertz.  The
>reason I am troubled is that they have provided an almost clear cut
>case of methodologically sound research in support of something I have
>theoretically opposed for years, namely, the use of a gun in defense
>against a criminal perpetrator.  Maybe Franklin Zimring and Philip
>Cook can help me find fault with the Kleck and Gertz research, but for
>now, I have to admit my admiration for the care and caution expressed
>in this article and this research.
>
>Can it be true that about two million instances occur each year in
>which a gun was used as a defense measure against crime?  It is hard
>to believe.  Yet, it is hard to challenge the data collected.  We do
>not have contrary evidence.  The National Crime Victim Survey does not
>directly contravene this latest survey, nor do the Mauser and Hart
>studies.  There is a research literature on robbery that focuses some
>on victims and on the three major variables with which I dealt....
>
>Nonetheless, the methodological soundness of the current Kleck and
>Gertz study is clear.  I cannot further debate it.....
>
>The Kleck and Getz study impresses me for the caution the authors
>exercise and the elaborate nuances they examine methodolically.  I do
>not like their conclusions that having a gun can be useful, but I
>cannot fault their methodology.  They have tried earnestly to meet all
>objections  in advance and have done exceedingly well.


    I don't remember ever reading of a single instance of a gun 
used for protection by a private person in the media, or seen 
it on on television.  That means it could not have happened two 
million times each year, as you seem to think.



From bwhit@conterra.com Thu Aug 15 18:57:02 PDT 1996
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    Nobody is pouring into poor, totalitarian, disease-ridden, 
starving Africa.
     Nobody is pouring into Asia.
     Nobody is asking either majority-black or 
majority-Mongoloid countries to become "diverse".
     This is strictly for white majority countries.
     It's sort of like the old Grandfather Clause in Southern 
election laws which the Supreme Court struck down in 1915.  The 
Grandfather Clause, like "diversity", was supposed to be aimed 
at everybody.  It said that people whose ancestors could vote 
before 1867 were exempt from poll taxes.
     Before the Supreme Court, the Southern states argued that 
this law was not aimed at blacks.  It gave exemption ftrom the 
poll tax to *anyone* whose ancestors could vote, and said 
nothing about black or white.
      Those who demand "diversity" or call for a "solution to 
the so-called race problem" do not have to say they are aiming 
at all white majority countries, and only white majority 
countries.  We all know that.
       Those who say they are anti-racist or pro-diversity are 
demanding the Final Solution to the the "race" problem in the 
form of massive immigration and integration.   This applies 
nowhere but in white countries.  
       "Diversity" is the Final Solution to the White Problem.
       Unless, of course, you really believe the Grandfather 
Clause wasn't aimed at blacks.



From bwhit@conterra.com Thu Aug 15 19:14:54 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: THIS IS WHY POLITICALLY CORRECT PEOPLE STILLTHINK "DUHH!" IS A GOOD ARGUMENT
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jeff_brown@pol.com (Jeffrey G. Brown) wrote:
>In article <4ulvar$7mm@molokini.conterra.com>, bob whitaker
> wrote:
>
>>     In those sdays, every single "European intellectual" and 
>> most American "intellectuals" declared that government 
>> ownership of the means of production meant EFFICIENCY!
>
>Which intellectuals, Whitaker? Care to name any names?
>

   "DUHH!  Post-War European intellectuals quz socialists?"
   "DUHH!  I didn't know that!"
   "DUHH!   You name 'em all!"

   Jesus Christ!    What a friggin' moron!


>
>JGB
>
>=====================================================================
>Jeffrey G. Brown                                   jeff_brown@pol.com
> "What's going to happen?"   "Something wonderful..."   -- '2010'




From bwhit@conterra.com Fri Aug 16 07:51:37 PDT 1996
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Laura Finsten  wrote:
>bob whitaker  wrote:
>>Laura Finsten  wrote:
>>>bob whitaker  wrote:
>
>[...]
>
>
>>>>     Little Beaver aqnd Kasiecki are perennial "good boys".  If 
>>>>they were in Nazi Germany,t ehy would be enthusiastically 
>>>>rounding up the Jewsx, under Stalin they would be, in all 
>>>>sincerity, shipping millions off to the Gulag.   Good boys in 
>>>>the twentieth century have done more evil t han bad boys could 
>>>>imagine.   That is the lesson of the century which we refuse to 
>>>>learn.
>
>[...]
>>>The big guy in charge in Nazi Germany was Adolph Hitler,
>>>Mr. Whitaker, not Joseph Stalin.  You seem to be confusing
>>>the Soviet Union and its political regime with Nazi Germany's,
>>>which was certainly not a cookie-cutter replica of the USSR's.
>
>>>It wasn't the "communists" who rounded up Jews in Nazi Germany,
>>>Mr. Whitaker, but the Nazis.  In fact, communists were another
>>>of the Nazis' targeted groups.
>
>[...]
>
>>   My point was that there were a LOT of awfult hings in this 
>>century besides the Jews in Nazi Germany.  I am not surprised 
>>that you are totally unable even to imagine that, as you say 
>>here.
>
>This response is classic Bob Whitaker.  You screwed up and
>confused Hitler and Stalin, and Germany under the NSDAP with
>the Soviet Union under Stalin.  Rather than admit your error,
>you procede to chastise me for narrowmindedness and ignorance.
>
>It is an interesting "debating" technique, Mr. Whitaker.
>This exchange says little about what I do or do not know 
>about 20th century world history, except that I, unlike you, do not 
>confuse Stalin with Hitler, or the Soviet Union with Nazi Germany.

   You're right.  You clones h ave interchangable paragraphs, 
and it is hard to remember which of the standard responses I 
've hgeard for deacdes you gave this time.
    OK, this time you did not pinpioint Hitler as the only true 
evil as you clones do.   You always rush to say, well, you 
meant Stalin, too, when it is brought up, but you never bring 
it up, because it is of no use to the left.  In the 1960's, you 
used to deny Stalin was bad at all, but the world caught up 
with you on that.
     This time your obsesion with Jews makes you think I was 
saying clones would report Jews to Nazis because they are 
somehow anti-semitic.  What I am saying is that an 
establishment good boy will be a good boy in every society.  
You or Kasiecki will be going through jeja view to find out who 
 can be exposed for having rqcial attitudes which do not 
represent Politically Correct Good Thought and exposing them in 
the future.   They're "racists", so,a s your fellow clone 
pointed out, they should be ruined.
     Why on earth do you think clones would not be doing the 
same thing for Hitler or Stalin, rooting out Evil for them.  
The Evil changes, but the good boys don't.


  
>It says nothing whatsoever about what, if any, relative status
>in the annals of evil I assign to Hitler, Stalin, or other
>political leaders.

 The fact you are a clone and that the only evil you ever 
mention is Hitler may have somethingto do with what I said.  As 
I keep saying -- as I try to push the toothpaste back into the 
 tube -- you will mention Stalin, Mao, or the other leftists 
after they are brought up, not before.


>
>It does, however, indicate that you have so fragile an ego 
>you cannot admit error, that you write (and think?) incoherently,
>and that your mind works like a steel trap.  Unfortunately,
>the trap seems to predate stainless steel, and appears to
>be permanently and irrevocably rusted shut. 
>
>
>
>
>"If I can't dance.....I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>          Emma Goldman
>
>




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From: bob whitaker 
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Subject: Re: You Can _Never_ Have Too Much Diversity (ADV)
Date: 15 Aug 1996 22:02:11 GMT
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mike@aimetering.com (Mike Curtis) wrote:
>bob whitaker  wrote:
>
>>      Blacks and Mongoloids don't need immigration laws.
>
>Most all countries have immigration laws.
>
>>  Asia 
>>is huge and no racially significant number of people are going 
>>there.
>
>Source?
>
>>  Nobody wants to go to Africa, again, in important 
>>numbers.
>
>Source?
>
>>  Lots of AIDS reserachers go there, of course, but 
>>that's not an inucement to others.
>
>Not just AIDS but virology in general. There are all kinds of emerging
>diseases. AIDS is just one of them and there seem to be various forms
>of AIDS.
>
>>      Ihave made this point many times.  I have pointed out  
>>that white self-sacrifice is part of the white supremacist 
>>mentality.
>
>Sacrifice for what?
>
>
mike@aimetering.com (Mike Curtis) wrote:
>bob whitaker  wrote:
>
>>      Blacks and Mongoloids don't need immigration laws.
>
>Most all countries have immigration laws.
>
>>  Asia 
>>is huge and no racially significant number of people are going 
>>there.
>
>Source?

aka, DUHH!


>
>>  Nobody wants to go to Africa, again, in important 
>>numbers.
>
>Source?

    aka: DUHH!


>
>>  Lots of AIDS reserachers go there, of course, but 
>>that's not an inucement to others.
>
>Not just AIDS but virology in general. There are all kinds of emerging
>diseases. AIDS is just one of them and there seem to be various forms
>of AIDS.
>
>>      Ihave made this point many times.  I have pointed out  
>>that w
hite self-sacrifice is part of the white supremacist 
>>mentality.
>
>Sacrifice for what?
>
>




From bwhit@conterra.com Fri Aug 16 07:51:41 PDT 1996
Article: 57713 of alt.revisionism
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From: bob whitaker 
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Subject: Re: You Can _Never_ Have Too Much Diversity (ADV)
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mike@aimetering.com (Mike Curtis) wrote:
>bob whitaker  wrote:
>
>>      Blacks and Mongoloids don't need immigration laws.
>
>Most all countries have immigration laws.
>
>>  Asia 
>>is huge and no racially significant number of people are going 
>>there.
>
>Source?
>
>>  Nobody wants to go to Africa, again, in important 
>>numbers.
>
>Source?
>
>>  Lots of AIDS reserachers go there, of course, but 
>>that's not an inucement to others.
>
>Not just AIDS but virology in general. There are all kinds of emerging
>diseases. AIDS is just one of them and there seem to be various forms
>of AIDS.
>
>>      Ihave made this point many times.  I have pointed out  
>>that white self-sacrifice is part of the white supremacist 
>>mentality.
>
>Sacrifice for what?
>
>
mike@aimetering.com (Mike Curtis) wrote:
>bob whitaker  wrote:
>
>>      Blacks and Mongoloids don't need immigration laws.
>
>Most all countries have immigration laws.
>
>>  Asia 
>>is huge and no racially significant number of people are going 
>>there.
>
>Source?

aka, DUHH!


>
>>  Nobody wants to go to Africa, again, in important 
>>numbers.
>
>Source?

    aka: DUHH!


>
>>  Lots of AIDS reserachers go there, of course, but 
>>that's not an inucement to others.
>
>Not just AIDS but virology in general. There are all kinds of emerging
>diseases. AIDS is just one of them and there seem to be various forms
>of AIDS.
>
>>      Ihave made this point many times.  I have pointed out  
>>that w
hite self-sacrifice is part of the white supremacist 
>>mentality.
>
>Sacrifice for what?
>
>




From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Aug 19 16:03:35 PDT 1996
Article: 58049 of alt.revisionism
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From: bob whitaker 
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Subject: Re: You Can _Never_ Have Too Much Diversity (ADV)
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    When I was on Capitol Hill, I would walk in with a ten-page 
document some agency had sent us as a reply, my boss would look 
up, and I would say, "They don't want to comment."
    All the irrelevant bullshit was irrelevant.   Cutting 
throught he crap is what a staffer is there for.
    Back in the '70's, that was trelatively sohistocated, but 
these days everybody knows what I'm talking about.  Our whole 
society haws become bureaucratic, and we are very used to 
cutting through endlesss crap, stated in cliches and very 
convincing sounding words, that sound obscure but are actually 
meaningless.
    Our Politically Correct clones get their training from 
Mommy professors whose last sentient moment seems to have 
occurred in the 1960's, when every form of communication was 
absolutely owned by the New York liberal clique.  The three 
networks and leftist academe,  the New York-owned publishing 
guild, and all the rest kept people from talking to each other 
the way we do here.
    Back then, if a dissident voice did briefly break through, 
people did not realize that the tactics they used boiled down 
to saying DUHH!   Again, they sounded intellectual and obscure, 
but they were meaningless.
     They could afford to be.  All they had to do was to stave 
off any opposition in the tiny amount of time oppositiion could 
break through.
      It is very confusing to the hot-house libs that people 
refuse to take this seriously anymore.   They use the word 
"white", but when anyone uses it in a context they arenot used 
to dealing with, they say, "DUHH!  What's white?"   That worked 
as a delaying tactic when people thought liberals were the 
ultimate in thinking people -- that's been a while -- but these 
days it's absurd.
       It just don't work any more, gang.   You can't just 
filibuster the opposition till the cavalry gets here.  The 
cavalry ain't comin'.
        And us injuns are on the rise.     



From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Aug 19 16:03:36 PDT 1996
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slking@husc7.harvard.edu (Stewart King) wrote:
>My little attribution characters are all screwy.
>
>: Laura Finsten  wrote:
>: >bob whitaker  wrote:
>
>: >>>>     Little Beaver aqnd Kasiecki are perennial "good boys".  If 
>: >>>>they were in Nazi Germany,t ehy would be enthusiastically 
>: >>>>rounding up the Jewsx, under Stalin they would be, in all 
>: >>>>sincerity, shipping millions off to the Gulag.   Good boys in 
>: >>>>the twentieth century have done more evil t han bad boys could 
>: >>>>imagine.   That is the lesson of the century which we refuse to 
>: >>>>learn.
>
>[snip one back-and-forth]
>
>: >This response is classic Bob Whitaker.  You screwed up and
>: >confused Hitler and Stalin, and Germany under the NSDAP with
>: >the Soviet Union under Stalin.  Rather than admit your error,
>: >you procede to chastise me for narrowmindedness and ignorance.
>
>I actually think he meant these as two separate examples - if they were in
>Germany, they would follow the Nazis, and if they were in Russia, they
>would follow Stalin.  
>
>Why he's not making more of an effort to clarify this I don't know.
>
>
>Stewart.


   The reason is simple.  Either the clones genuinely don't 
understand a concept as simple as this, in which case I will 
continue to talk over their headds to theose who can read, or 
they are doing the DUHH! bit.
    It is very hard to tell whether clones are being tactically 
dense or genuinely dense.



From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Aug 19 16:03:37 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
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Subject: Re: You Can Have Too Much Diversity
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Stig  wrote:
>Something to bear in mind:  One dosen't learn much about Africa in 
>World History courses because, well, how much actually occurred in 
>sub-saharan Africa worthy of note outside Anthropology classes?  Very 
>little.  Besides, all history courses ultimately focus on the culture 
>of the nation they're being taught in; 'twould be folly to expect 
>otherwise.  Furthermore, US school history courses must concentrate on 
>major events as they occured and affected society, not make way for 
>the kvetchings of every designated oppressed group (I haven't read 
>that "Race Rebels" book but from the title it seems to be of this 
>nature...I've read others like it and tend to be disappointed by their 
>navelgazing). Subjects like the Black working class are fodder for  
>specialized University courses, not intensive HS study.  You can't 
>foist absolutley everything on young minds; give 'em the basics, and 
>if they want to delve into class issues etc. later on, c'est la vie.
>   
>Better be more selective in your reading; you seem to be filtering 
>everything through a "racialist" lens that isn't warranted 90% of the 
>time.


    Excellently put.
    I know it's very fashionable to study this stuff, but if 
you know all about sixtreenth century African history and 
Peruvian pottery, what have you got?
      



From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Aug 19 16:03:38 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
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mschnei1@isd.net wrote:
>In article <32143F44.7BE3@vegas.infi.net>, The Generalissimo
> wrote:
>
>> Just because people feel that there are better opportunities in the US 
>> does not give them the right to sneak into this country.
>
>
>   But of course: No that you're here, no one else will be allowed in. God
>forbid they work harder than you for less and make you look lousy by
>comparison.
>
>   Go away, national socialist.
>
>-- 
>SSN - NONE!    http://www.ime.net/none/index.html
>-----------
>"Impending doom takes all the fun out of decadent living!" - Yago

    We got ourselves another clone:
    Disagreement means you're a Nazi and want to kill Six 
Million Jews!



From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Aug 19 17:52:08 PDT 1996
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ferdi@is.co.za (Koos) wrote:
>anders@middle.usa.com (Larry Anders) wrote:
>
><<>If the point here is to sort of ratchet-down the white folks in
>>historic accomplishment, you'd have a hard time doing so. Many
>>civilizations have contributed, but the breadth and depth of European
>>accomplishment in math and science is simply unmatched. No one even
>>comes close.>>>
>
>I fact the opposite.
>It was a reaction to a posting that seemed to say that white people
>are solely responsible for mathematics and that that proves their
>genetiic superiority.
>
>
   Koos is oneof those fanatically anti-white whites who makes 
us all so ill.



From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Aug 19 17:52:08 PDT 1996
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slking@course2.harvard.edu (Stewart King) wrote:
>Jeffrey G. Brown (jeff_brown@pol.com) wrote:
>
>: He's trying to do a riff on my requests for evidence to back up assertions
>: with evidence, Stewart, and doing it poorly. 
>
>Right!  I knew it was something like that, but I couldn't put my finger on
>it.
>
>: Dunsheath has yet to understand that opinions are one thing and
>: assertions of fact another. I ask for evidence for the latter, not the
>: former.
>
>I think the rules are if you accumulate enough personal experience points
>by living in third world countries you can substitute that for fact where
>necessary.
>
>
>Stewart.
>
   Have you two hothouse libs reassured each other enough now?



From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Aug 19 17:52:10 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white
Subject: ANY WHITE WHO OPPOSES OPEN BORDERS IS A NAZI WHO WANTS TO KILL SIX MILLION JEWS
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   *Twilight Zone:The Movie* consisted of three stories, but 
one had to be cancelled becaue of a helicopter accident killing 
main characters.  They needed a quick, cheap-whot replacement.
So they had a white man drinking and complaining about Asian 
immigration into th US.
    As soon as this man came out of the bar, his world turned 
into Nazi Germany, and he got what he deserved.  The Nazis got 
him, the Klan got him, and he died in terror.
    Because it had to be such a quick, cheap shot, this movie 
exposed Politically Corret thinking very nakedly.  Politically 
Correct people outside of academe are far more subtle, and 
routinely argue they are not Politically Correct, though 
everything they say happens to be.
     So-called "diversity" does not threatedn the existence of 
any race but whites.  If the Politically Correct people have 
their way, Asia will reamin racialy Asian, Africa will remain 
black.  All white majority countries,a ndonly white m ajority 
countries, MUST become "Diverse", which means brown.
      This bothers a lot of white people, though the Nazi 
screamers keep them from saying so publically.  
       Apparently, according to *Twqilight Zone, The Movie*, 
even saying this sort of thing in a bar is too punlic to be 
allowed.
  



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Subject: Re: You Can _Never_ Have Too Much Diversity (ADV)
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slking@husc7.harvard.edu (Stewart King) wrote:
>bob whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
>
>:    Have you two hothouse libs reassured each other enough now?
>
>About what?
>
>
>Stewart.

   My God!   Now the clonea are saying DUHH! to each other!



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mschnei1@isd.net wrote:
>In article <32143F44.7BE3@vegas.infi.net>, The Generalissimo
> wrote:
>
>> Just because people feel that there are better opportunities in the US 
>> does not give them the right to sneak into this country.
>
>
>   But of course: No that you're here, no one else will be allowed in. God
>forbid they work harder than you for less and make you look lousy by
>comparison.
>
>   Go away, national socialist.
>
>-- 
>SSN - NONE!    http://www.ime.net/none/index.html
>-----------
>"Impending doom takes all the fun out of decadent living!" - Yago

    We got ourselves another clone:
    Disagreement means you're a Nazi and want to kill Six 
Million Jews!



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From: bob whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Re: Putting Quotations Around "White", Another DUHH! Tactic
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Laura Finsten  wrote:
>dodd@faribault.polaristel.net (Garrison Netzel) wrote:
>>World Book Encyclopedia says there are only nine human races:
>
>>European
>>Asian
>>African
>>Indian
>>American Indian
>>Melanesion
>>Micronesion
>>Polynesian
>>Native Australian
>
>>	I believe "White" would fall into the "European" category, Laura.
>
>
>Let's ask "Mr. Stone" about that.  Or Les Griswold.  Or even
>Bob Whitaker.  I'd like to hear how he defines "white", since
>he is so obsessed with it.
>
>Europe includes Spain, Portugal, Italy, Greece, Albania and the 
>other Balkan states, Hungary, and lots lots more, no?  I'm going 
>to make a psychic prediction:  Europeans are not all "white"
>according to white power folks.  White power rangers can't even
>all agree on who is and who is not "white".  
>
>
>"If I can't dance.....I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>          Emma Goldman
>
>
    You don't have to play dumb.  You've already convinced us. 
  Whites are the people you want to get rid of.  White people 
make up the majority of the countries you want to make 
"diverse", which means brown.
     



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From: bob whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Re: THIS IS WHY POLITICALLY CORRECT PEOPLE STILLTHINK "DUHH!" IS A GOOD ARGUMENT
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amatthews@cybercom.net (Allan Matthews) wrote:
>In article <4uluac$78p@molokini.conterra.com>, bob whitaker  wrote:
>>    The useful thing about having an old fart like me around is 
>>to provide what is called "institutional memory".   I remember 
>>w    hen people did not use the term "politically correct", and 
>>when liberals were considered True Intellectuals, the Only True 
>>Intellectuals, in fact.  Every body didn't know then that 
>>liberals practiced what they preached against, such as 
>>intolerance.
>>    What wee now call politically Correct people insisted that 
>>punishment did not prevent crime.  However, their reaction to 
>>any vigilante action against criminals was to demand ferocious 
>>punishment of the vigilantes.  "Why?", you might ask them, and 
>>they would say, "To stop vigilanteeism from spreading.", they 
>>would reply.
>>    You would then say, "But doesn't that mean that punishing a 
>>crime, such as vigilanteeism, is the way to prevent it?"  They 
>>would reply, "Yes!"  
>>     Then you would say, "So you would say you were wrong, that 
>>punishment does in fact prvent crime?"
>>    "They would reply, "DUHH!"
>>
>>
>Actually, I think its fair to say that DUHH! applies to a turkey who posts the 
>same crap over and over and over.  Like you, twit.
>
>allan
>
>=================================================
>            amatthews@cybercom.net
>=================================================
>A monk asked Un Mun, "What is Buddha?"          
>Un Mun replied, "Dry shit on a stick."           
>=================================================
>http://www.cybercom.net/~amatthews/amatthews.html
>=================================================

     You clones bitch a lot about my makig these points, but 
you have yet to address one of them.



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From: bob whitaker 
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Subject: Re: Putting Quotations Around "White", Another DUHH! Tactic
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Laura Finsten  wrote:
>bob whitaker  wrote:
>
>>    Note that the politically Correct types who deny they want 
>>all majority white countries, and only majority white 
>>countries, to become multiracial, also use quotations marks 
>>around "white".  They are saying white people don't really 
>>exist, so why shouldn't they get rid of them.
>
>Well, Mr. Whitaker, I'd be happy to discuss the biology of
>racial categories like "white" with you, but as I recall,
>you couldn't follow a fairly simple discussion of human
>population genetics the last time I tried, so frankly, I 
>don't see the point.

    We both know what we mean by white.  This is just another 
DUHH!


>
>I also don't see the point because it is apparent that you
>have, once again, descended into incoherence and ad hominem
>invective.  It didn't take you long.  And for a day or so
>I thought you might finally have figured out the proper
>dosage for your medication.  Too bad.  Don't give up, though,
>there might be hope for you yet, if you haven't totally
>fried all your neurons already.
>
>[...]
>
>"If I can't dance.....I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>          Emma Goldman
>
>




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Subject: Re: Putting Quotations Around "White", Another DUHH! Tactic
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Laura Finsten  wrote:
>bob whitaker  wrote:
>>Laura Finsten  wrote:
>>>bob whitaker  wrote:
>
>>>>    Note that the politically Correct types who deny they want 
>>>>all majority white countries, and only majority white 
>>>>countries, to become multiracial, also use quotations marks 
>>>>around "white".  They are saying white people don't really 
>>>>exist, so why shouldn't they get rid of them.
>
>>>Well, Mr. Whitaker, I'd be happy to discuss the biology of
>>>racial categories like "white" with you, but as I recall,
>>>you couldn't follow a fairly simple discussion of human
>>>population genetics the last time I tried, so frankly, I 
>>>don't see the point.
>
>>    We both know what we mean by white.  This is just another 
>>DUHH!
>
>
>Yeah, it is indeed another of your DUHH!!!s.  You've really
>got it down.
>
>Do we both know what *you* mean by "white", Mr. Whitaker?
>I have some ideas, but in fact my reading here over the last
>few months has indicated that there is considerable 
>difference of opinion among white power rangers about what
>constitutes "white" and, more importantly, about how one
>would go about determining whether a given individual were
>"white".
>
>I'll just give you a couple of examples.  Arthur LeBouthillier
>has said that a person of predominantly European ancestry, but
>with a single Jewish grandparent, could be "white" as long as
>they don't look Jewish (whatever that means).  This is interesting
>because it means that full-blooded siblings could belong to 
>different "races".  Bizarre indeed.
>
>"Mr. Stone"/Ourobouros thinks that people have to have "long
>heads" among other things to be "white".  This, according to
>him, would rule out Slavs.  He doesn't understand it well 
>enough, but it would also rule out a lot of other people who
>he probably would consider "white" because populations are
>not homogeneous.  Another trait "Stone" suggested is the
>ability to digest milk sugar (lactose tolerance), something 
>that is generally thought to be a northern/western European
>thing (although it is also prevalent among African pastoralists).
>What he doesn't seem to realise is that in virtually every 
>population is variable in virtually every genetic trait.  Something
>like 17-20% of Finns, for example, are not lactose tolerant.
>Does that mean that they aren't "white"?
>
>So why don't you share with us what national origins are
>acceptable for membership in the "white" race, Mr. Whitaker?
>Why don't you explain what degree of admixture you would
>accept with "non-white" strains?  Why don't you tell us how
>you will make determinations about "racial affiliation" when
>you think that people are not being honest about their
>parentage (or simply don't know about it)?
>
>I mean really, someone like me who might have to justify
>my residency and citizenship at some point would really like
>to know. 
>
>
>"If I can't dance.....I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>          Emma Goldman
>
>
   You are on the side of those who are leaving no place for 
whites on earth.  While this invasion of all ourterritory goes 
on, you want me to quibble over the borders instead of talking 
in plain English about what your kind is doing.
   Good tactic, but I'm not that stupid.
   Nope.  DUHH! won't do it.



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Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.jg-brown-bot
Subject: Re: ISN'T WHITE SELF-SACRIFICE A FORM OF WHITE SUPREMACY?
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joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) wrote:
>In article <32138A96.4661@ix.netcom.com> Kevin Alfred Strom  writes:
>
>
>>But until the "civil rights" revolution and the opening of the floodgates 
>>of non-White immigration, both entities were White nations in the same 
>>sense and roughly to the same degree that a field of corn is definitely a 
>>field of corn, and has all the essential qualities of a field of corn, 
>>despite the presence of some small quantity of weeds, rats, and moles. 
>
>Well, some of y'all are a few ears shy of a binfull, and that's true.  And if 
>you want to shuck yourself and jump in a large kettle of boiling water, hey, 
>go ahead.  You can even roll in butter after.
>
>But, gee whiz, when are you going to explain how you differ so seriously in 
>your views from the Nazis that it's a gross misrepresentation to 
>characterize you as one?
>
>Inquiring minds, and all that . . . 

    The day you ask a democratic socialist to explain why he is 
not a communist, I may feel obligated to explain to you why I 
am not a Nazi, and it will be a cold in Hell before you ask a 
democratic socialist such a question.
     In the meantime, I will give you exactly the same answer 
that democratic socilialist would: Go screw yourself.


    
>Joel Rosenberg   |  joelr@winternet.com  |  http://www.winternet.com/~joelr
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>We will have to repent in this generation not merely for the 
>hateful words and actions of the bad people but for the 
>appalling silence of the good people.
>                        -- Martin Luther King, Jr.




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Subject: Re: Putting Quotations Around "White", Another DUHH! Tactic
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See my reply above to Fenstin.
    How can somebody with such a unique name keep repeating 
such tiresome, standard and packaged comments?



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     *Twilight Zone: The Movie* consisted of three stories, but 
one had to be cancelled when largely finished because of a 
helicopter accident that killed main characters.
      They needed a quick, cheap-shot replacement for that 
segment.  It was a routine exercise in Political Correctness.
      They showed a man in a bar, complaining about masive 
Asian immigration into the US.  As soon as he walked out into 
the street, his world turned into Nazi Germany, and he got what 
he deserved.  The Nazis got him, then the Klan got him, 
thinking him an Asian, and he finaly died in terror, to the 
presumed cheers of the audience.
       Because it was such a quick, cheap shot,  this peice 
exposed Politically Correct thinking very nakedly, more nakedly 
than a lot would like.  
        Fortunately, no one in the media would dare mention 
this.
        So-called "diversity" does not threaten the existence 
of anyu non-white race.   If the Politically Correct people 
have their way, Asia will remain racially Asiatic, Africa wil 
remain black.  
         All white majority countries, and only white majority 
countries, MUST become "diverse", which means brown.
          This bothers a lot of white people, though they are 
not allowed to say it because Poltically Correct types will 
scream "You're A Nazi, you want to kill six million Jews!"
           Apparently, according to *Twilight Zone: The Movie*, 
even saying this kind of thing in a bar is too public to rate 
less than a death penalty.



From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Aug 19 17:54:36 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Re: An Expectable white person
Date: 18 Aug 1996 04:08:43 GMT
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Stefan Andreasson  wrote:
>Power On wrote:
>> 
>> In order to be excepted within today’s society, a white person must
>> support affirmative action, gay rights, oppose immigration and openly
>> state that the white race is the root of all evil.  That's total Bull in
>> my book
>
>Most white people don't - including me. So what's your point??
>
>eB

   Actually, Little Beaver does support open imigration and 
probably all the rest. It is standard practice for Politically 
Correct people to deny it.



From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Aug 19 17:54:37 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.society.conservatism,alt.politics.usa.constitution,revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,soc.culture.usa,alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.equality
Subject: Re: ANY WHITE WHO OPPOSES OPEN BORDERS IS A NAZI WHO WANTS TO KILL SIX MILLION JEWS
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atticus@mindspring.com (Andy Walton) wrote:
>In article <4v7nl2$7li@molokini.conterra.com>, bob whitaker
> wrote:
>
>  :     *Twilight Zone: The Movie* consisted of three stories, but 
>  :one had to be cancelled when largely finished because of a 
>  :helicopter accident that killed main characters.
>
>There were four stories, and none were cancelled. One had to be re-edited
>after the death of its star, Vic Morrow, in a helicopter accident. In a
>well-publicized trial, the director of that segment, John Landis, was
>acquitted of manslaughter.
>
>Morrow was killed filming a scene that ran about halfway through that
>segment. But movies are not shot in sequence -- they are shot based on the
>equipment and personnel needed, and the first scene filmed may be the last
>one in the movie. 
>
>  :      They needed a quick, cheap-shot replacement for that 
>  :segment.  It was a routine exercise in Political Correctness.
>
>The segment in question was shot and exhibited more or less as scripted.
>In a somewhat controversial move, Morrow's final performance was in the
>movie. There was no substution. There was no quickie rewrite of the
>script. There was some creative editing of the available footage to
>account for the scenes that Morrow would be obviously unavailable to film.
>
>  :      They showed a man in a bar, complaining about masive 
>  :Asian immigration into the US.  As soon as he walked out into 
>  :the street, his world turned into Nazi Germany, and he got what 
>  :he deserved.  The Nazis got him, then the Klan got him, 
>  :thinking him an Asian, and he finaly died in terror, to the 
>  :presumed cheers of the audience.
>
>The hallmark of The Twilight Zone series, and of the movie, was a certain
>brand of poetic justice. The Vic Morrow character railed against blacks,
>jews, and asians, and found himself as a jew in the Third Reich, a black
>in the 1950s South, and as an Asian in early-'60s South Vietnam. 
>
>Don't take my word for it. Rent the movie. You will see Vic Morrow
>starring in the segment in question. Read up on the case. You will find
>that Morrow and two Asian-American child actors were killed during
>filming. Several movie memorabilia companies will provide you (for the
>right price) with a copy ofthe original shooting script. You will find
>little change between the original script and the movie as released. 
>
>As was the case with "The Crow," (Brandon Lee died while filming it) and 
>"Brainstorm" (co-star Natalie Wood died during filming), the director and
>editors had to work hard to complete the film without its star. That's why
>they get the big bucks.
>
>  :           Apparently, according to *Twilight Zone: The Movie*, 
>  :even saying this kind of thing in a bar is too public to rate 
>  :less than a death penalty.
>
>If you're going to dig back a dozen years to find a fictitious basis for
>your world view, you could at least make some vague effort to know what
>the hell you're talking about. When you attempt to argue by analogy, and
>present an analogy that is factually and verifiably false in every
>conceivable way, you're not doing your cause any good.
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
>   "We were once so close to heaven, Peter came out and gave us medals 
>   declaring us the nicest of the damned."      --They Might Be Giants
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Andy Walton * atticus@mindspring.com * http://www.mindspring.com/~atticus


    A "message" movie is responsible for its "message".  It was 
even dumber if it wasn't so quick a substitution.  Apparently 
you Politically Correct types do mean what I said in cold 
blood, eh?
   You are always implying that anybody who oppsoes open 
borders for all white majority countries is a Nazi, this was 
just a flat statement of it.
   If you don't like being called on it, don't do it.



From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Aug 19 17:54:38 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
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Subject: Re: "Diversity" -- Anti-White Code Word
Date: 17 Aug 1996 03:12:25 GMT
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mschnei1@isd.net wrote:
>In article <32143F44.7BE3@vegas.infi.net>, The Generalissimo
> wrote:
>
>> Just because people feel that there are better opportunities in the US 
>> does not give them the right to sneak into this country.
>
>
>   But of course: No that you're here, no one else will be allowed in. God
>forbid they work harder than you for less and make you look lousy by
>comparison.
>
>   Go away, national socialist.
>
>-- 
>SSN - NONE!    http://www.ime.net/none/index.html
>-----------
>"Impending doom takes all the fun out of decadent living!" - Yago

    We got ourselves another clone:
    Disagreement means you're a Nazi and want to kill Six 
Million Jews!



From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Aug 19 17:54:39 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.skinheads
Subject: Re: Putting Quotations Around "White", Another DUHH! Tactic
Date: 19 Aug 1996 15:41:27 GMT
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Laura Finsten  wrote:
>nobody@REPLAY.COM (Anonymous) wrote:
>
>[...]
>
>>About Laura Finstein:
>
>>Laura Finstein posts on alt.politics.white-power simply to harrass those 
>>who are trying to make contributions to the discussion of white political >opportunities. She is not in the least interested in white persons; on the 
>>contrary, her presence here is always to back bite and harrass.
>
>
>Dear Anonymous Nobody,
>
>You have misspelled my name.  Are you doing so intentionally, or do you
>just read very poorly?
>
>My heritage is Scottish, Irish and Norwegian.  I am, by the definitions 
>I have seen floated here, as "white" as any of you.  So how you can 
>conclude that I am "not the least interested in white persons" is beyond 
>me.  Unless you are yet another of the witless wonders who thinks that
>the only way to be pro- your own group however you define it is to be
>against all the others whom you define yourself in opposition to.  This
>is the way of the weak.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>"If I can't dance.....I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>          Emma Goldman
>
>
    
You wouldn't have noticed, but I haven't said anything 
unpleasant about nonwhites, only about white turncoats like 
you.
    You Politically Correct types are the ones who explain all 
disagreement with the word "Hate", since that is to you a 
sufficient motive for action.



From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Aug 19 17:59:51 PDT 1996
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     *Twilight Zone: The Movie* consisted of three stories, but 
one had to be cancelled when largely finished because of a 
helicopter accident that killed main characters.
      They needed a quick, cheap-shot replacement for that 
segment.  It was a routine exercise in Political Correctness.
      They showed a man in a bar, complaining about masive 
Asian immigration into the US.  As soon as he walked out into 
the street, his world turned into Nazi Germany, and he got what 
he deserved.  The Nazis got him, then the Klan got him, 
thinking him an Asian, and he finaly died in terror, to the 
presumed cheers of the audience.
       Because it was such a quick, cheap shot,  this peice 
exposed Politically Correct thinking very nakedly, more nakedly 
than a lot would like.  
        Fortunately, no one in the media would dare mention 
this.
        So-called "diversity" does not threaten the existence 
of anyu non-white race.   If the Politically Correct people 
have their way, Asia will remain racially Asiatic, Africa wil 
remain black.  
         All white majority countries, and only white majority 
countries, MUST become "diverse", which means brown.
          This bothers a lot of white people, though they are 
not allowed to say it because Poltically Correct types will 
scream "You're A Nazi, you want to kill six million Jews!"
           Apparently, according to *Twilight Zone: The Movie*, 
even saying this kind of thing in a bar is too public to rate 
less than a death penalty.



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atticus@mindspring.com (Andy Walton) wrote:
>In article <4v7nl2$7li@molokini.conterra.com>, bob whitaker
> wrote:
>
>  :     *Twilight Zone: The Movie* consisted of three stories, but 
>  :one had to be cancelled when largely finished because of a 
>  :helicopter accident that killed main characters.
>
>There were four stories, and none were cancelled. One had to be re-edited
>after the death of its star, Vic Morrow, in a helicopter accident. In a
>well-publicized trial, the director of that segment, John Landis, was
>acquitted of manslaughter.
>
>Morrow was killed filming a scene that ran about halfway through that
>segment. But movies are not shot in sequence -- they are shot based on the
>equipment and personnel needed, and the first scene filmed may be the last
>one in the movie. 
>
>  :      They needed a quick, cheap-shot replacement for that 
>  :segment.  It was a routine exercise in Political Correctness.
>
>The segment in question was shot and exhibited more or less as scripted.
>In a somewhat controversial move, Morrow's final performance was in the
>movie. There was no substution. There was no quickie rewrite of the
>script. There was some creative editing of the available footage to
>account for the scenes that Morrow would be obviously unavailable to film.
>
>  :      They showed a man in a bar, complaining about masive 
>  :Asian immigration into the US.  As soon as he walked out into 
>  :the street, his world turned into Nazi Germany, and he got what 
>  :he deserved.  The Nazis got him, then the Klan got him, 
>  :thinking him an Asian, and he finaly died in terror, to the 
>  :presumed cheers of the audience.
>
>The hallmark of The Twilight Zone series, and of the movie, was a certain
>brand of poetic justice. The Vic Morrow character railed against blacks,
>jews, and asians, and found himself as a jew in the Third Reich, a black
>in the 1950s South, and as an Asian in early-'60s South Vietnam. 
>
>Don't take my word for it. Rent the movie. You will see Vic Morrow
>starring in the segment in question. Read up on the case. You will find
>that Morrow and two Asian-American child actors were killed during
>filming. Several movie memorabilia companies will provide you (for the
>right price) with a copy ofthe original shooting script. You will find
>little change between the original script and the movie as released. 
>
>As was the case with "The Crow," (Brandon Lee died while filming it) and 
>"Brainstorm" (co-star Natalie Wood died during filming), the director and
>editors had to work hard to complete the film without its star. That's why
>they get the big bucks.
>
>  :           Apparently, according to *Twilight Zone: The Movie*, 
>  :even saying this kind of thing in a bar is too public to rate 
>  :less than a death penalty.
>
>If you're going to dig back a dozen years to find a fictitious basis for
>your world view, you could at least make some vague effort to know what
>the hell you're talking about. When you attempt to argue by analogy, and
>present an analogy that is factually and verifiably false in every
>conceivable way, you're not doing your cause any good.
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
>   "We were once so close to heaven, Peter came out and gave us medals 
>   declaring us the nicest of the damned."      --They Might Be Giants
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Andy Walton * atticus@mindspring.com * http://www.mindspring.com/~atticus


    A "message" movie is responsible for its "message".  It was 
even dumber if it wasn't so quick a substitution.  Apparently 
you Politically Correct types do mean what I said in cold 
blood, eh?
   You are always implying that anybody who oppsoes open 
borders for all white majority countries is a Nazi, this was 
just a flat statement of it.
   If you don't like being called on it, don't do it.



From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Aug 19 17:59:53 PDT 1996
Article: 79324 of alt.conspiracy
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From: bob whitaker 
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mschnei1@isd.net wrote:
>In article <32143F44.7BE3@vegas.infi.net>, The Generalissimo
> wrote:
>
>> Just because people feel that there are better opportunities in the US 
>> does not give them the right to sneak into this country.
>
>
>   But of course: No that you're here, no one else will be allowed in. God
>forbid they work harder than you for less and make you look lousy by
>comparison.
>
>   Go away, national socialist.
>
>-- 
>SSN - NONE!    http://www.ime.net/none/index.html
>-----------
>"Impending doom takes all the fun out of decadent living!" - Yago

    We got ourselves another clone:
    Disagreement means you're a Nazi and want to kill Six 
Million Jews!



From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Aug 19 18:07:21 PDT 1996
Article: 34908 of alt.skinheads
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From: bob whitaker 
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ferdi@is.co.za (Koos) wrote:
>anders@middle.usa.com (Larry Anders) wrote:
>
><<>If the point here is to sort of ratchet-down the white folks in
>>historic accomplishment, you'd have a hard time doing so. Many
>>civilizations have contributed, but the breadth and depth of European
>>accomplishment in math and science is simply unmatched. No one even
>>comes close.>>>
>
>I fact the opposite.
>It was a reaction to a posting that seemed to say that white people
>are solely responsible for mathematics and that that proves their
>genetiic superiority.
>
>
   Koos is oneof those fanatically anti-white whites who makes 
us all so ill.



From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Aug 19 18:07:23 PDT 1996
Article: 34922 of alt.skinheads
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From: bob whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.skinheads
Subject: Re: Putting Quotations Around "White", Another DUHH! Tactic
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Laura Finsten  wrote:
>bob whitaker  wrote:
>
>>    Note that the politically Correct types who deny they want 
>>all majority white countries, and only majority white 
>>countries, to become multiracial, also use quotations marks 
>>around "white".  They are saying white people don't really 
>>exist, so why shouldn't they get rid of them.
>
>Well, Mr. Whitaker, I'd be happy to discuss the biology of
>racial categories like "white" with you, but as I recall,
>you couldn't follow a fairly simple discussion of human
>population genetics the last time I tried, so frankly, I 
>don't see the point.

    We both know what we mean by white.  This is just another 
DUHH!


>
>I also don't see the point because it is apparent that you
>have, once again, descended into incoherence and ad hominem
>invective.  It didn't take you long.  And for a day or so
>I thought you might finally have figured out the proper
>dosage for your medication.  Too bad.  Don't give up, though,
>there might be hope for you yet, if you haven't totally
>fried all your neurons already.
>
>[...]
>
>"If I can't dance.....I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>          Emma Goldman
>
>




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Subject: Re: Putting Quotations Around "White", Another DUHH! Tactic
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See my reply above to Fenstin.
    How can somebody with such a unique name keep repeating 
such tiresome, standard and packaged comments?



From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Aug 19 18:07:25 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Putting Quotations Around "White", Another DUHH! Tactic
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Laura Finsten  wrote:
>nobody@REPLAY.COM (Anonymous) wrote:
>
>[...]
>
>>About Laura Finstein:
>
>>Laura Finstein posts on alt.politics.white-power simply to harrass those 
>>who are trying to make contributions to the discussion of white political >opportunities. She is not in the least interested in white persons; on the 
>>contrary, her presence here is always to back bite and harrass.
>
>
>Dear Anonymous Nobody,
>
>You have misspelled my name.  Are you doing so intentionally, or do you
>just read very poorly?
>
>My heritage is Scottish, Irish and Norwegian.  I am, by the definitions 
>I have seen floated here, as "white" as any of you.  So how you can 
>conclude that I am "not the least interested in white persons" is beyond 
>me.  Unless you are yet another of the witless wonders who thinks that
>the only way to be pro- your own group however you define it is to be
>against all the others whom you define yourself in opposition to.  This
>is the way of the weak.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>"If I can't dance.....I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>          Emma Goldman
>
>
    
You wouldn't have noticed, but I haven't said anything 
unpleasant about nonwhites, only about white turncoats like 
you.
    You Politically Correct types are the ones who explain all 
disagreement with the word "Hate", since that is to you a 
sufficient motive for action.



From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Aug 19 18:13:29 PDT 1996
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dpm3@seanet.com (Dan Morisseau) wrote:
>In article  "Grey"  writes:
>>  It seems that botht the First
>>and Second ammendments are Meaningless to the Canadian Government.
>
>
>	Well, sir, if you THINK about it this all stands to reason. The First and 
>Second Amendments are to the Constitution of the United States. So far as I 
>can determine neither the ACLU nor the Second Amendment Foundation have been 
>successful in persuading the World Court that there is some theory of 
>extraterritoriality that would poblige the Canadian government to honor either 
>along with our ouwn Supreme Courts interpretations. They ahve their own laws 
>that deal with these issues. That is the way of the world. Each country makes 
>its OWN laws. The Canadians seem to live pretty well with their arrangments. 
>I'd suggest you not lose too much sleep over it.
>
>
>====================================================================
>"I distrust a close-mouthed man. He generally picks the wrong time 
>to talk and says the wrong things. Talking is something you can't do
>judiciously unless you keep in practice" 
>                               - Casper Gutman, The Maltese Falcon
>========== This .sig exceeds Plate "C" specifications ==============
dpm3@seanet.com (Dan Morisseau) wrote:
>In article  "Grey"  writes:
>>  It seems that botht the First
>>and Second ammendments are Meaningless to the Canadian Government.
>
>
>	Well, sir, if you THINK about it this all stands to reason. The First and 
>Second Amendments are to the Constitution of the United States. So far as I 
>can determine neither the ACLU nor the Second Amendment Foundation have been 
>successful in persuading the World Court that there is some theory of 
>extraterritoriality that would poblige the Canadian government to honor either 
>along with our ouwn Supreme Courts interpretations. They ahve their own laws 
>that deal with these issues. That is the way of the world. Each country makes 
>its OWN laws. The Canadians seem to live pretty well with their arrangments. 
>I'd suggest you not lose too much sleep over it.
>
>
>====================================================================
>"I distrust a close-mouthed man. He generally picks the wrong time 
>to talk and says the wrong things. Talking is something you can't do
>judiciously unless you keep in practice" 
>                               - Casper Gutman, The Maltese Falcon
>========== This .sig exceeds Plate "C" specifications ==============

   What the man is somewhat unplesantly explaining to you is 
somethinghe takes for granted, but Americans have difficulty 
with:  Canadians are essentially still Europeans, and Europeans 
have no use for freedoms which are not fashionable.
   Whether it be yesterday's Establ;ished Church or today's 
Political Correctness, Europeans, including Canadians, routinly 
write it into their laws.  A Canadians will make a big thing, 
as heere, about national sovereignty, but you should have 
seenthem raise hell when Australia kapt out non-white 
immigration.
    That wasn't Politically Correct, so that was Evil.
    As long as Political Corrrectness is the law of the 
academy, it will remain the European and therefore Canadian Law 
of the Land.  The university today may be thought of as the 
modern Established Church: a religion pushed at public expense.
     Americans find this putrid.  Canadians find it routine.



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cardano@intergate.bc.ca (cardano) wrote:
>In article <01a8e85c$4e01e360$c9d423c7@#FAEROS>, "Grey"  says:
>
>>I had heard about Canada's rigid Censorship.  It seems that botht the First
>>and Second ammendments are Meaningless to the Canadian Government.  I would
>>have thought you would have something comparable in Canada that would
>>protect freedom of speach and the right to keep and bear arms.
>>
>>In a country larger than the United States, with a population less than
>>that of California... it makes little or no sense to my why that is.
>
>Canada has, since 1982, constitutional provisions to protect the right
>to freedom of expression. It is probably weaker than the U.S. 1st
>amendment. We don't have, and in my opinion certainly don't need, any
>protection for the right to bear arms. I believe this latter protection
>may be unique to the U.S., although I'm not really certain.
>--------------------------------------------------------
>                  * Brent Fredrickson *
>...After investigation, believe that which you have
>yourself tested and found reasonable...    Kalama Sutra
>--------------------------------------------------------

     Under the Canadian doctrine of Political Correctness, you 
would never have heard this, but the Swiss are required by law 
to be as well-armed as we are voluntarily.  They have no more 
gun violence than any other European country.
      In fact, the truly automatic asault weapons  of which we 
outlaw even semiautomatic copies as part of the ddoctrine of 
Gun Control  are the kind of guns the Swiss are 
routinely routinely have at homes.
       And yes, they do have "handguns" at home, too.



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womack@nntp.best.com (Hal Womack) wrote:
>	Unless this Joel be the Net-orious J. Rubin who haunts s.c.a.a.
>etc., the motivation for his bile remains obscure.
>
>Joel (joelnj@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
>: womack@nntp.best.com (Hal Womack) wrote: 
>: >			  !HAPPY BIRTHDAY, FIDEL!
>: >		    b. on Friday the 13th of August 1926
>
>: Proof that Friday the 13th is a very unlucky day.
>
>	In this case for the U.S. oligarchy and its C.I.A. + assorted
>hoodlums, including Fulgencio Batista.
>
>: >	You now become a rookie among the venerable elders of the Human
>: >Race, among which most distinguished company I name in particular
>: >Mother Teresa, 
>
>: What an insult to a truly good woman.
>
>	What rubbish this Joel does write. I think that of all people
>Mother Teresa has the personal experience to help her to appreciate the
>meaning of the Cuban achievements in public health and education which
>contrast so strongly with the plight of the poor in most of the rest of
>the world, including the U.S. Perhaps some reader will be kind enough to
>direct this question to her attention?  Unless, of course, Joel Whozitz
>has credentials to present as her authorized spokesman. 
>
>: >Deng Xiao-peng, Pham Van Dong, Vo Nguyen Giap, Nelson Mandela,
>: >Naguib Mahfouz, R.K. Narayan, Jorge Amado, Pramoedya Ananta Toer, Go
>: >Seigen, Laurens van der Post and Alexander Solzhenitsyn.
>                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
>
>: Why don't you just celebrate Stalin's birthday.  You know you want to.

   Watch it, you are not being Politically Correct, as our 
Fidelist buddy here will be happy to point out.  Hitler was the 
only evil person in this century, and mentioning Stalin as evil 
is considered antisemitic, racist, and anti-intellectual.


>
>	When a wannabe critic has such a terribly hard time paying
>attention to what I write in black & white, what does it say for his
>implied claim to be able to read my mind? Can Joel manage to draw a line
>between Danang and Tiflis?




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Laura Finsten  wrote:
>bob whitaker  wrote:
>
>[...]
>
>>    I thought you were telling me again that you didn't 
>>understand what I was talking about -- the old DUHH! routine.  
>>You use it a lot, you know.
>
>
>Well, you are frequently unintelligible.  You blather
>comprehensibly a lot, you know.
>
>
>"If I can't dance.....I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>          Emma Goldman
>
    I have noticed that the pro-whites never need to engage in 
these catty little reassurance diaolgues with each other.
    Politically Correct anti-whites need to reassure each 
other, because they are the product of a sealed, hothouse 
little world, whose silliness is such that its only defense is 
to declare everyone else evil and out of touch.
     Their little world is in deep doo-doo when Eng;lish 
starts to be spoken, and their assertions are put together in 
plain language.   They ave to hasten to tell each other that 
that's just evil stuff.
     If you put what they say together, it's sillly and it's 
vile.  So they have to yell, DUHH!   They have been protected 
>from  putting those things together in their hothouse, and 
these tactics show it.
      For example, it is a standard Politically Correct 
argument that private schools do so much better beccause they 
do not have to deal with problem cases.   Politically Correct 
people also solidly back a program of dumping the ghetto into 
suburdban public schools, because that, you see, is the ket to 
education.
    Mommy Professor stuff is full of such glaring 
contradictions and absurdity, and these folks have to reassure 
eachother that plain English is just an evil, inbred, 
antisemitic, racist, antiintellectual plot to kill six million 
Jews.
     

 
      




From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Aug 19 21:20:13 PDT 1996
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bwg@bwg.com (Bryan Griffin) wrote:
>In article <321212b1.22139293@news.albany.net>, truland@albany.net wrote:
>
>> bwg@bwg.com (Bryan Griffin) wrote:
>> [...]
>> 
>> >To restore civil liberties libertarians would overturn discriminatory
>> >laws masquerading as "civil rights laws" which take away people's
>> >civil right to associate with whoever they wish. 
>> 
>> Please cite me a civil rights law which prevents someone
>> from associating with anyone they wish.

   People likeyou are always screaming bloody muder if anyone 
wants a club which has only white members.  The state takes 
away their right to serve alcoholic beverages, and where you 
can, you outlaw any freedom of association that does not 
include Political Correctness.
    Compared to Political Correctnesss, freedom means nothing 
to your group, and you know it.


   
>
>Any law against discrimination in hiring or trade. We may
>be repulsed by the choice someone makes to discriminate against
>someone in their choice of who they associate with in their business
>but that should be their free choice.
>
>Bryan Griffin
>bwg@bwg.com




From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Aug 19 21:20:13 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
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Subject: Re: Why public schools are a failure....
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liberty@wolfenet.com (Mike Hihn) wrote:
>mcculloch@mail.utexas.edu (Jim McCulloch) wrote:
>
>>In article <4v07g5$n91@ratty.wolfe.net>, liberty@wolfenet.com wrote:
>
>
>>> You keep flitting back and forth between "all" or "many" -- with your
>>> childish insults on reading comprehension -- thus making a total ass of
>>> yourself, worldwide. 
>
>>OK, I will settle for "all [such libertarian schemes] that I have ever
>>seen described are transparently motivated by a desire on the part of
>>libertarians to lessen their personal tax burden, with an equally
>>transparent hypocrisy in claiming their interest is in education rather
>>that the reduction of taxes."  Is that any clearer?
>
>Clearer -- a LOT more honest of you -- but equally wrong.
>
>Whether education is the higher interest, or taxes, would vary with
>each libertarian -- just as it does for society as a whole, and for the
>same reasons.
>
>That doesn't do much for knee-jerk partisanship, but reality never does.
>
>
>
>========================================================
>Mike Hihn,Editor                  liberty@wolfenet.com
>LIBERTY ISSUES        http://www.wolfenet.com/~liberty
>"An independent libertarian publication"
>========================================================
>


    Probably this interests no one, but sometimes you have to 
look for the answer to a problem in exactly the place it is 
absolutely forbidden to look.
    I have just lived through a couple of generations in which 
anybody who mentioned genetics was automatically a Nazi who was 
out to kill Six Million Jews.
    As a result, what can only be called a Dysgenic Movement 
developed.  All intelligent women were urged to get a career, 
and, if they really insisted on having a kid, adopt one.  Since 
genes didn't matter, the people without talent could have the 
kids, and those with talent would exercise them.
    I remember reading about one whole class reunion of 
Wellesley students where they had a nursery, but not one person 
used it -- no kids, not even adopted.
    If genetics matter at all, a quick survey of whence most of 
our kids came from would point to a lot of the problem.
     This, of course, does not promote liberal or libertarian 
agendas, so it will be ignored, as it has.
     Except, of course, for the one who makes the obligatory 
declaration that I'm a Nazi out to kill Six Million Jews.



From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Aug 19 21:20:14 PDT 1996
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Fascism -- One man, one vote, where the man is specified.



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slking@course2.harvard.edu (Stewart King) wrote:
>Jeffrey G. Brown (jeff_brown@pol.com) wrote:
>
>: He's trying to do a riff on my requests for evidence to back up assertions
>: with evidence, Stewart, and doing it poorly. 
>
>Right!  I knew it was something like that, but I couldn't put my finger on
>it.
>
>: Dunsheath has yet to understand that opinions are one thing and
>: assertions of fact another. I ask for evidence for the latter, not the
>: former.
>
>I think the rules are if you accumulate enough personal experience points
>by living in third world countries you can substitute that for fact where
>necessary.
>
>
>Stewart.
>
   Have you two hothouse libs reassured each other enough now?



From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Aug 19 21:20:16 PDT 1996
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   Sorry to interrupt an interesting conversation, but I am a 
little surprised.
   I briefly mentioned the concentrated disgenics of the last 
generation as one reason for the perceived failure of public 
schools.  In a generation in which intelligent women were urged 
not to h ave children and so many didn't, or had only one, the 
public schools may be partially, I say partially, taking blame 
for bad genes.
    One generation of really concentratd dysgenics can do a LOT 
of damage.  
     This was Hitler's revenge.  Anybody who mentioned in the 
last generation that intelligent people had intelligent 
children was shouted down as a Nazi.
      In fact, I'm a bit surprise: has NOBODY yet denounced me 
as a Nazi Who Wants to Kill Six Million Jews?
      There has got to be one Standard Screamer out there!



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     *Twilight Zone: The Movie* consisted of three stories, but 
one had to be cancelled when largely finished because of a 
helicopter accident that killed main characters.
      They needed a quick, cheap-shot replacement for that 
segment.  It was a routine exercise in Political Correctness.
      They showed a man in a bar, complaining about masive 
Asian immigration into the US.  As soon as he walked out into 
the street, his world turned into Nazi Germany, and he got what 
he deserved.  The Nazis got him, then the Klan got him, 
thinking him an Asian, and he finaly died in terror, to the 
presumed cheers of the audience.
       Because it was such a quick, cheap shot,  this peice 
exposed Politically Correct thinking very nakedly, more nakedly 
than a lot would like.  
        Fortunately, no one in the media would dare mention 
this.
        So-called "diversity" does not threaten the existence 
of anyu non-white race.   If the Politically Correct people 
have their way, Asia will remain racially Asiatic, Africa wil 
remain black.  
         All white majority countries, and only white majority 
countries, MUST become "diverse", which means brown.
          This bothers a lot of white people, though they are 
not allowed to say it because Poltically Correct types will 
scream "You're A Nazi, you want to kill six million Jews!"
           Apparently, according to *Twilight Zone: The Movie*, 
even saying this kind of thing in a bar is too public to rate 
less than a death penalty.



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atticus@mindspring.com (Andy Walton) wrote:
>In article <4v7nl2$7li@molokini.conterra.com>, bob whitaker
> wrote:
>
>  :     *Twilight Zone: The Movie* consisted of three stories, but 
>  :one had to be cancelled when largely finished because of a 
>  :helicopter accident that killed main characters.
>
>There were four stories, and none were cancelled. One had to be re-edited
>after the death of its star, Vic Morrow, in a helicopter accident. In a
>well-publicized trial, the director of that segment, John Landis, was
>acquitted of manslaughter.
>
>Morrow was killed filming a scene that ran about halfway through that
>segment. But movies are not shot in sequence -- they are shot based on the
>equipment and personnel needed, and the first scene filmed may be the last
>one in the movie. 
>
>  :      They needed a quick, cheap-shot replacement for that 
>  :segment.  It was a routine exercise in Political Correctness.
>
>The segment in question was shot and exhibited more or less as scripted.
>In a somewhat controversial move, Morrow's final performance was in the
>movie. There was no substution. There was no quickie rewrite of the
>script. There was some creative editing of the available footage to
>account for the scenes that Morrow would be obviously unavailable to film.
>
>  :      They showed a man in a bar, complaining about masive 
>  :Asian immigration into the US.  As soon as he walked out into 
>  :the street, his world turned into Nazi Germany, and he got what 
>  :he deserved.  The Nazis got him, then the Klan got him, 
>  :thinking him an Asian, and he finaly died in terror, to the 
>  :presumed cheers of the audience.
>
>The hallmark of The Twilight Zone series, and of the movie, was a certain
>brand of poetic justice. The Vic Morrow character railed against blacks,
>jews, and asians, and found himself as a jew in the Third Reich, a black
>in the 1950s South, and as an Asian in early-'60s South Vietnam. 
>
>Don't take my word for it. Rent the movie. You will see Vic Morrow
>starring in the segment in question. Read up on the case. You will find
>that Morrow and two Asian-American child actors were killed during
>filming. Several movie memorabilia companies will provide you (for the
>right price) with a copy ofthe original shooting script. You will find
>little change between the original script and the movie as released. 
>
>As was the case with "The Crow," (Brandon Lee died while filming it) and 
>"Brainstorm" (co-star Natalie Wood died during filming), the director and
>editors had to work hard to complete the film without its star. That's why
>they get the big bucks.
>
>  :           Apparently, according to *Twilight Zone: The Movie*, 
>  :even saying this kind of thing in a bar is too public to rate 
>  :less than a death penalty.
>
>If you're going to dig back a dozen years to find a fictitious basis for
>your world view, you could at least make some vague effort to know what
>the hell you're talking about. When you attempt to argue by analogy, and
>present an analogy that is factually and verifiably false in every
>conceivable way, you're not doing your cause any good.
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
>   "We were once so close to heaven, Peter came out and gave us medals 
>   declaring us the nicest of the damned."      --They Might Be Giants
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Andy Walton * atticus@mindspring.com * http://www.mindspring.com/~atticus


    A "message" movie is responsible for its "message".  It was 
even dumber if it wasn't so quick a substitution.  Apparently 
you Politically Correct types do mean what I said in cold 
blood, eh?
   You are always implying that anybody who oppsoes open 
borders for all white majority countries is a Nazi, this was 
just a flat statement of it.
   If you don't like being called on it, don't do it.



From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Aug 19 21:20:19 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
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mschnei1@isd.net wrote:
>In article <32143F44.7BE3@vegas.infi.net>, The Generalissimo
> wrote:
>
>> Just because people feel that there are better opportunities in the US 
>> does not give them the right to sneak into this country.
>
>
>   But of course: No that you're here, no one else will be allowed in. God
>forbid they work harder than you for less and make you look lousy by
>comparison.
>
>   Go away, national socialist.
>
>-- 
>SSN - NONE!    http://www.ime.net/none/index.html
>-----------
>"Impending doom takes all the fun out of decadent living!" - Yago

    We got ourselves another clone:
    Disagreement means you're a Nazi and want to kill Six 
Million Jews!



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From: bob whitaker 
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Subject: Re: Colin Powell licks ass !!!!!!
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Dan Thornsberry  wrote:
>Wired Or wrote:
>> 
>
>> -----------
>> Au contraire, after hearing Colin Powell's speech I, a
>> registered Republican, decided that the best hope for eventual
>> racial justice in America was to vote for Clinton and the Democrats.
>> 
>> Some day, when we are truly a color-blind melting pot, I will
>> return to my Republican roots and ideology. Hopefully, it will
>> be in my lifetime.
>> 
>> -Wired Or
>
>Powell, like every other speaker, gave the speech he was 
>ALLOWED to give.
>
>-- 
>Clinton/Gore Home Page:
>http://www.cg96.org
>-------------------------------------------------------
>In 1985 when BobDole sought to follow up Ronald Reagans
>1981 tax cuts with some revenue enhancing closure of
>tax loopholes, he ran into the staunch opposition of
>Jack Kemp. BobDole snapped, "Kemp wants a business 
>deduction for hair spray." Kemp shot back, "In a recent
>fire, Bob Doles library burned down. Both books were lost.
>And he hadn't even finished coloring one of them."
>-------------------------------------------------------
>Dole sez, "If you want Ronald Reagan, I can be Ronald
>Reagan." He then immediately scheduled surgery to have
>three quarters of his brain removed. In post op, he
>proposed a supply side 15% tax cut. Deja Vu Deaux!!!!!
>-------------------------------------------------------
>A. Half a trillion bucks. 10% of the entire national debt.
>Q. How much will we have to pay because the Senile Old 
>   Fool, Ronald Reagan, got government off the backs of the 
>   savings and loan business?
>-------------------------------------------------------
>The GOP was ordered by the NRA to attack the Center for
>Disease Control for their studies on violence in America.
>The GOP complied by cutting $2.6 million in funding. The
>precise amount CDC budgeted for firearm injury studies. 
>Seems the NRA would like to keep gun deaths a secret. What 
>next? Will the Tobacco Institute force republicans to stop 
>funding cancer research? The NRA has already aligned
>itself with terrorists by taking the teeth out the anti-
>terrorism legislation. Perhaps they should change their 
>name to the National Assault Rifle and Pipe Bomb 
>Association of Gunloons and Republican Puppeteers.
>-------------------------------------------------------
>GOP - PARTY OF IDEAS
> 1. White people are superior to people of color.
> 2. Rich people are superior to poor people.
> 3. Big business is superior to ALL people.
> 4. Preachers and chemical companies should write the laws.
> 5. More guns on the street make your kids safer.
> 6. Tobacco is not harmful, but pot is deadly.
> 7. Christianity is the only religion that matters.
> 8. Jesus was the greatest American that ever lived.
> 9. Freedom for business is good, individual freedom is bad.
>10. The economy would be better if massive tax breaks are
>    given to the rich.
> ==========================================================
>|                    |       The GOP wants more guns       |
>|  Dan Thornsberry   |                                     |
>|tberry@computek.net |        and less education!!!        |
>|                    |                                     |
>|==========================================================|
>| The victors called the revolution a triumph of liberty;  |
>| but now and then liberty, in the slogans of the strong,  |
>| means freedom from restraint in the exploitation of the  |
>| weak.                                      -Will Durant  |
> ==========================================================
>Thank you Mr. President:
>  Thanks for restoring democracy in Haiti.
>  Thanks for the Brady Bill.
>  Thanks for protecting the weak from the GOP, until 7/31/96.
>  Thanks for getting us out of the Somalia quagmire.
>  Thanks for getting the economy back on track.
>  Thanks for stopping the carnage in Bosnia.
>  Thanks for returning a concern for humanity to the White House.
>  Thanks for bringing this country the largest wage increase 
>       in history.
>  Thanks for reducing the deficit.
>  Most of all, thanks for making Newtie leave by the back door!
> -------------------------------------------------------

     Actuallly, i've talked to a number of these people who 
claim that "because of the extremists in Congress" or whatever, 
they are being forced to leave their Republican loyalties.
     Every one of them turned out to be a lifetime liberal 
Democrat.
      I am one of the Buchananites(except for pro-life) that 
the Republicans Party ordered to leave so they could have their 
Big Tent.  They want us out, so I am out and voting for 
Clinton.
       Liberals seldom hesitate to lie, as i said, so this guy 
is almost certain;ly no exception with his talk of having been 
a loyal Republican.
       Of course, moderate Republican seldom hesitate to lie, 
either, so I prefer a real Democrat to a Republican wannabe.



From bwhit@conterra.com Tue Aug 20 09:29:56 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
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Subject: Re: Canada has no guarantees of freedom
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dpm3@seanet.com (Dan Morisseau) wrote:
>In article  "Grey"  writes:
>>  It seems that botht the First
>>and Second ammendments are Meaningless to the Canadian Government.
>
>
>	Well, sir, if you THINK about it this all stands to reason. The First and 
>Second Amendments are to the Constitution of the United States. So far as I 
>can determine neither the ACLU nor the Second Amendment Foundation have been 
>successful in persuading the World Court that there is some theory of 
>extraterritoriality that would poblige the Canadian government to honor either 
>along with our ouwn Supreme Courts interpretations. They ahve their own laws 
>that deal with these issues. That is the way of the world. Each country makes 
>its OWN laws. The Canadians seem to live pretty well with their arrangments. 
>I'd suggest you not lose too much sleep over it.
>
>
>====================================================================
>"I distrust a close-mouthed man. He generally picks the wrong time 
>to talk and says the wrong things. Talking is something you can't do
>judiciously unless you keep in practice" 
>                               - Casper Gutman, The Maltese Falcon
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dpm3@seanet.com (Dan Morisseau) wrote:
>In article  "Grey"  writes:
>>  It seems that botht the First
>>and Second ammendments are Meaningless to the Canadian Government.
>
>
>	Well, sir, if you THINK about it this all stands to reason. The First and 
>Second Amendments are to the Constitution of the United States. So far as I 
>can determine neither the ACLU nor the Second Amendment Foundation have been 
>successful in persuading the World Court that there is some theory of 
>extraterritoriality that would poblige the Canadian government to honor either 
>along with our ouwn Supreme Courts interpretations. They ahve their own laws 
>that deal with these issues. That is the way of the world. Each country makes 
>its OWN laws. The Canadians seem to live pretty well with their arrangments. 
>I'd suggest you not lose too much sleep over it.
>
>
>====================================================================
>"I distrust a close-mouthed man. He generally picks the wrong time 
>to talk and says the wrong things. Talking is something you can't do
>judiciously unless you keep in practice" 
>                               - Casper Gutman, The Maltese Falcon
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   What the man is somewhat unplesantly explaining to you is 
somethinghe takes for granted, but Americans have difficulty 
with:  Canadians are essentially still Europeans, and Europeans 
have no use for freedoms which are not fashionable.
   Whether it be yesterday's Establ;ished Church or today's 
Political Correctness, Europeans, including Canadians, routinly 
write it into their laws.  A Canadians will make a big thing, 
as heere, about national sovereignty, but you should have 
seenthem raise hell when Australia kapt out non-white 
immigration.
    That wasn't Politically Correct, so that was Evil.
    As long as Political Corrrectness is the law of the 
academy, it will remain the European and therefore Canadian Law 
of the Land.  The university today may be thought of as the 
modern Established Church: a religion pushed at public expense.
     Americans find this putrid.  Canadians find it routine.



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cardano@intergate.bc.ca (cardano) wrote:
>In article <01a8e85c$4e01e360$c9d423c7@#FAEROS>, "Grey"  says:
>
>>I had heard about Canada's rigid Censorship.  It seems that botht the First
>>and Second ammendments are Meaningless to the Canadian Government.  I would
>>have thought you would have something comparable in Canada that would
>>protect freedom of speach and the right to keep and bear arms.
>>
>>In a country larger than the United States, with a population less than
>>that of California... it makes little or no sense to my why that is.
>
>Canada has, since 1982, constitutional provisions to protect the right
>to freedom of expression. It is probably weaker than the U.S. 1st
>amendment. We don't have, and in my opinion certainly don't need, any
>protection for the right to bear arms. I believe this latter protection
>may be unique to the U.S., although I'm not really certain.
>--------------------------------------------------------
>                  * Brent Fredrickson *
>...After investigation, believe that which you have
>yourself tested and found reasonable...    Kalama Sutra
>--------------------------------------------------------

     Under the Canadian doctrine of Political Correctness, you 
would never have heard this, but the Swiss are required by law 
to be as well-armed as we are voluntarily.  They have no more 
gun violence than any other European country.
      In fact, the truly automatic asault weapons  of which we 
outlaw even semiautomatic copies as part of the ddoctrine of 
Gun Control  are the kind of guns the Swiss are 
routinely routinely have at homes.
       And yes, they do have "handguns" at home, too.



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holman@elo.helsinki.fi (Eugene Holman) wrote:
>In article <3217A276.2AB7@nwark.com>, "Spark/Thomas J. Miller jr."
> wrote:
>
>> Excellent article; I loved the comparisons...
>> 
>> bob whitaker wrote:
>
>> >         So-called "diversity" does not threaten the existence
>> > of anyu non-white race.   If the Politically Correct people
>> > have their way, Asia will remain racially Asiatic, Africa wil
>> > remain black.
>> >          All white majority countries, and only white majority
>> > countries, MUST become "diverse", which means brown.
>
>Wrong. Now, repeat after me. Diverse means 'diverse'. Brown means 'brown'.
>
>The 'old white majority countries' - Norway, Great Britain, France, Italy,
>Poland, Russia, etc, are still overwhelmingly - 95 to 99.9% white, and
>seem destined to remain so for the foreseeable future, even if the
>inevitable result of international interaction is the presence of a
>sprinkling of 'exotic' immigrants, businessmen, specialists, students, and
>refugees. Those 'old white majority countries' which have 'non-white
>populations higher than 1 per cent, these being Great Britain, the
>Netherlands, Belgium, Portugal, and France, have their non-whites largely
>as a consequence of their colonial pasts. No matter what opinion we might
>have about colonialism, it's obvious that it was a two-way street: just as
>Africans and Asians have settled in Britain, there are old, large, and
>viable communities descended from British settlers in Zimbabwe, South
>Africa, Nigeria, India, and most other former British colonies. The
>Netherlands and Belgium, both small and densely populated, appear to have
>succeeded quite well in constructing societies in which everyone can live
>in peace and prosperity, France, Portugal, and Great Britain have a more
>spotty record. No matter how successfully or unsuccessfully the countries
>in question have dealt with the problem of building societies in which
>everyone feels welcome, none of them has 'become brown'. Most impartial
>observers would claim that the national cultures in question have actually
>been enriched by these outside influences, as anyone who has eaten out
>recently in London (Indian, West Indian cuisine) or Amsterdam (Indonesian
>and Chinese cuisine) can tell you.
>
>The 'new white majority countries', the US, Canada, Australia, New
>Zealand; most of Latin America, were all, in the quite recent past,
>conquered by Europeans, often using Africans and Asians to do much of the
>post-conquest 'mopping up'. The existence of a white majority in those
>countries is a recent fact. Unlike the 'old white majority countries'
>(Russia being the obvious exception), the new ones are still vastly
>underpopulated. Their present white majority is the consequence of recent
>immigration at the expense of the indigenous and, in the case of the US
>and some of South America, the post-conquest non-white population as well.
>Their continued development will be determined by the dynamic produced by
>the interaction of economics - the need for more population in excess of
>the replacement rate, with practical considerations - the desire to
>maintain a population with a relatively stable demographic profile. As the
>Australians learned more than two decades ago, there just aren't enough
>whites in the world to populate all the territory whites, frequently using
>non-white slaves and workers, have conquered from non-whites. Continued
>economic growth in these countries requires immigration from those parts
>of the world with a surplus of population, and these are non-white. This
>of course means that the long-term demographics of the countries concerned
>are going to be towards an increasing percentage of non-whites. It doesn't
>mean that whites are going to disappear; it does mean that white claims to
>a disproportionate share of societal resources and power (the manner in
>which I understand 'White power') will come under increasing scrutiny.
>This is what really bothers some white people, Mr. Whitaker.
>
>The 'new white majority countries' were made white as a consequence of
>activities in which whites played the leading role, but in which
>representatives of all races participated. Limiting discussion to the
>United States, let it be noted that between a fifth and a quarter of the
>population of the American colonies was black at the time of independence,
>much more than now. The demographic mix that had developed during the
>first half of the 20th century and prevailed up until the mid 1960s was
>the product of a 'diversity minimizing' immigration policy that encouraged
>immigration from Europe, but severely restricted immigration from other
>parts of the globe. This policy, dating from the last years of
>Reconstruction and implemented in various forms up to the end of the
>Second World War, made the US the 'white majority country' it still is
>today. Present policies not only increase diversity, but also redress some
>of the iniquities of the older system. To put it bluntly: if whites feel
>threatened by non-white immigration to a country which they conquered from
>non-whites, shouldn't non-whites, their accomplices in improving the
>stolen property, feel at least equally threatened about the prospect of
>becoming increasingly marginalized - the percentage of blacks in the US
>population has fallen from about 23% to 12% during the past two centuries
>- by more white immigration?
>
>
>We have 

    That's the standard drill.  It is, in fact, the only 
position allowed to be publically stated.
    Of course it's nonsense.  Colonialism does not give 
non-whites an excuse to overrun whitey.
    Tiny white populations in nonwhite countries compare in no 
way in numbers or birth rate with the pumping in of nonwhites 
to white majority countries you folks insist on.
>    These two points make up a tiny part of the above sstandard and packaged statement, I admit, but they are tossedin indiscrimina=
tely with the rest, as blinds, which is the point of this often, often, lordy so often repeated exercise.
     The essence of establishment doctrine is that whites must 
accept that whitey must go.   It's called genocide, and all 
this talk aside, that's the point.
>
>Eugene the Curly-headed
>King of alt.politics.white-power, Protector of our Aryan heritage,
>Defender of the English language, etc. etc. etc.




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holman@elo.helsinki.fi (Eugene Holman) wrote:
>In article <3217A276.2AB7@nwark.com>, "Spark/Thomas J. Miller jr."
> wrote:
>
>> Excellent article; I loved the comparisons...
>> 
>> bob whitaker wrote:
>
>> >         So-called "diversity" does not threaten the existence
>> > of anyu non-white race.   If the Politically Correct people
>> > have their way, Asia will remain racially Asiatic, Africa wil
>> > remain black.
>> >          All white majority countries, and only white majority
>> > countries, MUST become "diverse", which means brown.
>
>Wrong. Now, repeat after me. Diverse means 'diverse'. Brown means 'brown'.
>
>The 'old white majority countries' - Norway, Great Britain, France, Italy,
>Poland, Russia, etc, are still overwhelmingly - 95 to 99.9% white, and
>seem destined to remain so for the foreseeable future, even if the
>inevitable result of international interaction is the presence of a
>sprinkling of 'exotic' immigrants, businessmen, specialists, students, and
>refugees. Those 'old white majority countries' which have 'non-white
>populations higher than 1 per cent, these being Great Britain, the
>Netherlands, Belgium, Portugal, and France, have their non-whites largely
>as a consequence of their colonial pasts. No matter what opinion we might
>have about colonialism, it's obvious that it was a two-way street: just as
>Africans and Asians have settled in Britain, there are old, large, and
>viable communities descended from British settlers in Zimbabwe, South
>Africa, Nigeria, India, and most other former British colonies. The
>Netherlands and Belgium, both small and densely populated, appear to have
>succeeded quite well in constructing societies in which everyone can live
>in peace and prosperity, France, Portugal, and Great Britain have a more
>spotty record. No matter how successfully or unsuccessfully the countries
>in question have dealt with the problem of building societies in which
>everyone feels welcome, none of them has 'become brown'. Most impartial
>observers would claim that the national cultures in question have actually
>been enriched by these outside influences, as anyone who has eaten out
>recently in London (Indian, West Indian cuisine) or Amsterdam (Indonesian
>and Chinese cuisine) can tell you.
>
>The 'new white majority countries', the US, Canada, Australia, New
>Zealand; most of Latin America, were all, in the quite recent past,
>conquered by Europeans, often using Africans and Asians to do much of the
>post-conquest 'mopping up'. The existence of a white majority in those
>countries is a recent fact. Unlike the 'old white majority countries'
>(Russia being the obvious exception), the new ones are still vastly
>underpopulated. Their present white majority is the consequence of recent
>immigration at the expense of the indigenous and, in the case of the US
>and some of South America, the post-conquest non-white population as well.
>Their continued development will be determined by the dynamic produced by
>the interaction of economics - the need for more population in excess of
>the replacement rate, with practical considerations - the desire to
>maintain a population with a relatively stable demographic profile. As the
>Australians learned more than two decades ago, there just aren't enough
>whites in the world to populate all the territory whites, frequently using
>non-white slaves and workers, have conquered from non-whites. Continued
>economic growth in these countries requires immigration from those parts
>of the world with a surplus of population, and these are non-white. This
>of course means that the long-term demographics of the countries concerned
>are going to be towards an increasing percentage of non-whites. It doesn't
>mean that whites are going to disappear; it does mean that white claims to
>a disproportionate share of societal resources and power (the manner in
>which I understand 'White power') will come under increasing scrutiny.
>This is what really bothers some white people, Mr. Whitaker.
>
>The 'new white majority countries' were made white as a consequence of
>activities in which whites played the leading role, but in which
>representatives of all races participated. Limiting discussion to the
>United States, let it be noted that between a fifth and a quarter of the
>population of the American colonies was black at the time of independence,
>much more than now. The demographic mix that had developed during the
>first half of the 20th century and prevailed up until the mid 1960s was
>the product of a 'diversity minimizing' immigration policy that encouraged
>immigration from Europe, but severely restricted immigration from other
>parts of the globe. This policy, dating from the last years of
>Reconstruction and implemented in various forms up to the end of the
>Second World War, made the US the 'white majority country' it still is
>today. Present policies not only increase diversity, but also redress some
>of the iniquities of the older system. To put it bluntly: if whites feel
>threatened by non-white immigration to a country which they conquered from
>non-whites, shouldn't non-whites, their accomplices in improving the
>stolen property, feel at least equally threatened about the prospect of
>becoming increasingly marginalized - the percentage of blacks in the US
>population has fallen from about 23% to 12% during the past two centuries
>- by more white immigration?
>
>
>We have 

    That's the standard drill.  It is, in fact, the only 
position allowed to be publically stated.
    Of course it's nonsense.  Colonialism does not give 
non-whites an excuse to overrun whitey.
    Tiny white populations in nonwhite countries compare in no 
way in numbers or birth rate with the pumping in of nonwhites 
to white majority countries you folks insist on.
>    These two points make up a tiny part of the above sstandard and packaged statement, I admit, but they are tossedin indiscrimina=
tely with the rest, as blinds, which is the point of this often, often, lordy so often repeated exercise.
     The essence of establishment doctrine is that whites must 
accept that whitey must go.   It's called genocide, and all 
this talk aside, that's the point.
>
>Eugene the Curly-headed
>King of alt.politics.white-power, Protector of our Aryan heritage,
>Defender of the English language, etc. etc. etc.




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holman@elo.helsinki.fi (Eugene Holman) wrote:
>In article <3217A276.2AB7@nwark.com>, "Spark/Thomas J. Miller jr."
> wrote:
>
>> Excellent article; I loved the comparisons...
>> 
>> bob whitaker wrote:
>
>> >         So-called "diversity" does not threaten the existence
>> > of anyu non-white race.   If the Politically Correct people
>> > have their way, Asia will remain racially Asiatic, Africa wil
>> > remain black.
>> >          All white majority countries, and only white majority
>> > countries, MUST become "diverse", which means brown.
>
>Wrong. Now, repeat after me. Diverse means 'diverse'. Brown means 'brown'.
>
>The 'old white majority countries' - Norway, Great Britain, France, Italy,
>Poland, Russia, etc, are still overwhelmingly - 95 to 99.9% white, and
>seem destined to remain so for the foreseeable future, even if the
>inevitable result of international interaction is the presence of a
>sprinkling of 'exotic' immigrants, businessmen, specialists, students, and
>refugees. Those 'old white majority countries' which have 'non-white
>populations higher than 1 per cent, these being Great Britain, the
>Netherlands, Belgium, Portugal, and France, have their non-whites largely
>as a consequence of their colonial pasts. No matter what opinion we might
>have about colonialism, it's obvious that it was a two-way street: just as
>Africans and Asians have settled in Britain, there are old, large, and
>viable communities descended from British settlers in Zimbabwe, South
>Africa, Nigeria, India, and most other former British colonies. The
>Netherlands and Belgium, both small and densely populated, appear to have
>succeeded quite well in constructing societies in which everyone can live
>in peace and prosperity, France, Portugal, and Great Britain have a more
>spotty record. No matter how successfully or unsuccessfully the countries
>in question have dealt with the problem of building societies in which
>everyone feels welcome, none of them has 'become brown'. Most impartial
>observers would claim that the national cultures in question have actually
>been enriched by these outside influences, as anyone who has eaten out
>recently in London (Indian, West Indian cuisine) or Amsterdam (Indonesian
>and Chinese cuisine) can tell you.
>
>The 'new white majority countries', the US, Canada, Australia, New
>Zealand; most of Latin America, were all, in the quite recent past,
>conquered by Europeans, often using Africans and Asians to do much of the
>post-conquest 'mopping up'. The existence of a white majority in those
>countries is a recent fact. Unlike the 'old white majority countries'
>(Russia being the obvious exception), the new ones are still vastly
>underpopulated. Their present white majority is the consequence of recent
>immigration at the expense of the indigenous and, in the case of the US
>and some of South America, the post-conquest non-white population as well.
>Their continued development will be determined by the dynamic produced by
>the interaction of economics - the need for more population in excess of
>the replacement rate, with practical considerations - the desire to
>maintain a population with a relatively stable demographic profile. As the
>Australians learned more than two decades ago, there just aren't enough
>whites in the world to populate all the territory whites, frequently using
>non-white slaves and workers, have conquered from non-whites. Continued
>economic growth in these countries requires immigration from those parts
>of the world with a surplus of population, and these are non-white. This
>of course means that the long-term demographics of the countries concerned
>are going to be towards an increasing percentage of non-whites. It doesn't
>mean that whites are going to disappear; it does mean that white claims to
>a disproportionate share of societal resources and power (the manner in
>which I understand 'White power') will come under increasing scrutiny.
>This is what really bothers some white people, Mr. Whitaker.
>
>The 'new white majority countries' were made white as a consequence of
>activities in which whites played the leading role, but in which
>representatives of all races participated. Limiting discussion to the
>United States, let it be noted that between a fifth and a quarter of the
>population of the American colonies was black at the time of independence,
>much more than now. The demographic mix that had developed during the
>first half of the 20th century and prevailed up until the mid 1960s was
>the product of a 'diversity minimizing' immigration policy that encouraged
>immigration from Europe, but severely restricted immigration from other
>parts of the globe. This policy, dating from the last years of
>Reconstruction and implemented in various forms up to the end of the
>Second World War, made the US the 'white majority country' it still is
>today. Present policies not only increase diversity, but also redress some
>of the iniquities of the older system. To put it bluntly: if whites feel
>threatened by non-white immigration to a country which they conquered from
>non-whites, shouldn't non-whites, their accomplices in improving the
>stolen property, feel at least equally threatened about the prospect of
>becoming increasingly marginalized - the percentage of blacks in the US
>population has fallen from about 23% to 12% during the past two centuries
>- by more white immigration?
>
>
>We have 

    That's the standard drill.  It is, in fact, the only 
position allowed to be publically stated.
    Of course it's nonsense.  Colonialism does not give 
non-whites an excuse to overrun whitey.
    Tiny white populations in nonwhite countries compare in no 
way in numbers or birth rate with the pumping in of nonwhites 
to white majority countries you folks insist on.
>    These two points make up a tiny part of the above sstandard and packaged statement, I admit, but they are tossedin indiscrimina=
tely with the rest, as blinds, which is the point of this often, often, lordy so often repeated exercise.
     The essence of establishment doctrine is that whites must 
accept that whitey must go.   It's called genocide, and all 
this talk aside, that's the point.
>
>Eugene the Curly-headed
>King of alt.politics.white-power, Protector of our Aryan heritage,
>Defender of the English language, etc. etc. etc.




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Subject: Re: Putting Quotations Around "White", Another DUHH! Tactic
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Laura Finsten  wrote:
>bob whitaker  wrote:
>
>[...]
>
>
>>You wouldn't have noticed, but I haven't said anything 
>>unpleasant about nonwhites, only about white turncoats like 
>>you.
>
>Hmmmmmm.  Turncoats.  Turncoats get the name from turning their
>uniform coats inside-out and doing what, Mr. Whitaker?  Going
>over to the enemy, I thought.  Am I wrong about the etymology
>of the word?  I assume that the phrase implies that the ones
>to whom the said coats switch their allegiance are the enemy.
>Otherwise they'd just be, well, making a fashion statement or
>something, wouldn't they Mr. Whitaker? 
>
>>    You Politically Correct types are the ones who explain all 
>>disagreement with the word "Hate", since that is to you a 
>>sufficient motive for action.
>
>I am not about to concede your point.  But what word or words
>would you use to describe your feelings about all the folks
>you would like to forcibly deport?

   HOLD IT!
   Our debate has been this: I say white people have a very 
serious problem because their portion of the world is being 
overrun by non-whites, who also have many more children.   You 
say whites dfo not exist, and you demand this Final Solution to 
the White problem.
   These deportations came out of your own fevered brain.
   First one concedes that whites have a  real problem,a nd are 
merely Evil Nazis Who Want To Kill Six Million Jews for being 
concerned.  Then one discusses what to do about this.
    I think that in the next century, we will be determining 
our own genetic future.  But you Politically Correct types will 
insist on an end to whites anyway, as a matter of what strikes 
you as principle.
    None of this has anything to do with deportations.   Give 
my race the right to exist and its part in space settlement in 
some unmixed colonies, that would do nicely.
   But I refuse to try to discuss solutions with a race traitor 
who is monomaniacally devoted to the Final Solution to the 
White problem.
    You people always act reasonable when you're called on it, 
as you are here, but we all have seen your anti-white 
fanaticism when you have the power, as on campus or in the 
media.
    Genocide applied to my race is still genocide.
    
>
>"If I can't dance.....I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>          Emma Goldman
>
>




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Laura Finsten  wrote:
>bob whitaker  wrote:
>
>[...]
>
>
>>You wouldn't have noticed, but I haven't said anything 
>>unpleasant about nonwhites, only about white turncoats like 
>>you.
>
>Hmmmmmm.  Turncoats.  Turncoats get the name from turning their
>uniform coats inside-out and doing what, Mr. Whitaker?  Going
>over to the enemy, I thought.  Am I wrong about the etymology
>of the word?  I assume that the phrase implies that the ones
>to whom the said coats switch their allegiance are the enemy.
>Otherwise they'd just be, well, making a fashion statement or
>something, wouldn't they Mr. Whitaker? 
>
>>    You Politically Correct types are the ones who explain all 
>>disagreement with the word "Hate", since that is to you a 
>>sufficient motive for action.
>
>I am not about to concede your point.  But what word or words
>would you use to describe your feelings about all the folks
>you would like to forcibly deport?

   HOLD IT!
   Our debate has been this: I say white people have a very 
serious problem because their portion of the world is being 
overrun by non-whites, who also have many more children.   You 
say whites dfo not exist, and you demand this Final Solution to 
the White problem.
   These deportations came out of your own fevered brain.
   First one concedes that whites have a  real problem,a nd are 
merely Evil Nazis Who Want To Kill Six Million Jews for being 
concerned.  Then one discusses what to do about this.
    I think that in the next century, we will be determining 
our own genetic future.  But you Politically Correct types will 
insist on an end to whites anyway, as a matter of what strikes 
you as principle.
    None of this has anything to do with deportations.   Give 
my race the right to exist and its part in space settlement in 
some unmixed colonies, that would do nicely.
   But I refuse to try to discuss solutions with a race traitor 
who is monomaniacally devoted to the Final Solution to the 
White problem.
    You people always act reasonable when you're called on it, 
as you are here, but we all have seen your anti-white 
fanaticism when you have the power, as on campus or in the 
media.
    Genocide applied to my race is still genocide.
    
>
>"If I can't dance.....I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>          Emma Goldman
>
>




From bwhit@conterra.com Wed Aug 21 07:52:40 PDT 1996
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slking@husc7.harvard.edu (Stewart King) wrote:
>bob whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
>
>:    The reason is simple.  Either the clones genuinely don't 
>: understand a concept as simple as this, in which case I will 
>: continue to talk over their headds to theose who can read, or 
>: they are doing the DUHH! bit.
>
>Does this mean I'm officially not-a-clone?  Oh, I'm so tickled.
>
>
>Stewart.
>"hey!  it's the old "they're saying 'DUHH!'" gambit."


   slking@husc7.harvard.edu (Stewart King) wrote:
>bob whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
>
>:    The reason is simple.  Either the clones genuinely don't 
>: understand a concept as simple as this, in which case I will 
>: continue to talk over their headds to theose who can read, or 
>: they are doing the DUHH! bit.
>
>Does this mean I'm officially not-a-clone?  Oh, I'm so tickled.
>
>
>Stewart.
>"hey!  it's the old "they're saying 'DUHH!'" gambit."


      Yes, your clone status was endangered.  You actually read 
what I said and understood it without the usual drolling, DUHH!
       That is a mistake that only a Nazi Who Wants To Kill Six 
Million Jews would make, and you ahd better not make it again! 
 



From bwhit@conterra.com Wed Aug 21 07:54:34 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Re: ANY WHITE WHO OPPOSES OPEN BORDERS IS A NAZI WHO WANTS TO KILL SIX MILLION JEWS
Date: 21 Aug 1996 00:37:38 GMT
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jeff_brown@pol.com (Jeffrey G. Brown) wrote:
>In article <4va1g7$7u@molokini.conterra.com>, bob whitaker
> wrote:
>
>> atticus@mindspring.com (Andy Walton) wrote:
>
>> > [...deletia...]
>
>> >If you're going to dig back a dozen years to find a fictitious basis for
>> >your world view, you could at least make some vague effort to know what
>> >the hell you're talking about. When you attempt to argue by analogy, and
>> >present an analogy that is factually and verifiably false in every
>> >conceivable way, you're not doing your cause any good.
>
>> [...deletia...]
>
>>     A "message" movie is responsible for its "message". 
>
>And you are responsible for the misinformation in your posts, Whitaker. Is
>that a responsibility you would rather not acknowledge?
>
>>    You are always implying that anybody who oppsoes open 
>> borders for all white majority countries is a Nazi, this was 
>> just a flat statement of it.
>
>It is unclear whether you are referring to the movie "Twilight Zone", or
>to Mr. Walton's post. If the former, kindly quote the line in the movie
>that says "anybody who oppsoes [sic] open borders for all white majority
>countries is a Nazi" -- or anything remotely like that.

   The only real disagreement Walton had with my description of 
the movie was that I said it was a quicky segment where they 
said any white who opposes open borders is a Nazi who wants to 
kill six million Jews.  As he said, justice was servedin the 
film by having a man who criticized Asian immigration killed as 
a Jew by the Nazis, plus two more punishments!
   That's a little more than "remotely like that".



 If the latter,
>kindly cite the line in Mr. Walton's post in which he says  "anybody who
>oppsoes [sic] open borders for all white majority countries is a Nazi" --
>or anything remotely like that.
>
>If neither, then perhaps we should go back and review the responsibility
>you bear for the misinformation in your posts...
>
>>    If you don't like being called on it, don't do it.
>
>Precisely. You've been called on posting misinformation and untruths
>(better known as "lies"). If you don't like being called on it, Whitaker,
>don't do it.


   Not only do I not mind pissing you off, I love it!


>JGB
>
>=====================================================================
>Jeffrey G. Brown                                   jeff_brown@pol.com
> "What's going to happen?"   "Something wonderful..."   -- '2010'




From bwhit@conterra.com Wed Aug 21 07:54:37 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.society.conservatism,alt.politics.misc,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Re: You Can _Never_ Have Too Much Diversity (ADV)
Date: 20 Aug 1996 20:25:27 GMT
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slking@husc7.harvard.edu (Stewart King) wrote:
>bob whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
>
>:    The reason is simple.  Either the clones genuinely don't 
>: understand a concept as simple as this, in which case I will 
>: continue to talk over their headds to theose who can read, or 
>: they are doing the DUHH! bit.
>
>Does this mean I'm officially not-a-clone?  Oh, I'm so tickled.
>
>
>Stewart.
>"hey!  it's the old "they're saying 'DUHH!'" gambit."


   slking@husc7.harvard.edu (Stewart King) wrote:
>bob whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
>
>:    The reason is simple.  Either the clones genuinely don't 
>: understand a concept as simple as this, in which case I will 
>: continue to talk over their headds to theose who can read, or 
>: they are doing the DUHH! bit.
>
>Does this mean I'm officially not-a-clone?  Oh, I'm so tickled.
>
>
>Stewart.
>"hey!  it's the old "they're saying 'DUHH!'" gambit."


      Yes, your clone status was endangered.  You actually read 
what I said and understood it without the usual drolling, DUHH!
       That is a mistake that only a Nazi Who Wants To Kill Six 
Million Jews would make, and you ahd better not make it again! 
 



From bwhit@conterra.com Wed Aug 21 08:46:56 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.usa.constitution,alt.journalism,alt.society.civil-liberty
Subject: Re: Canada has no guarantees of freedom
Date: 21 Aug 1996 05:33:11 GMT
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am1@netset.com (Tony M) wrote:
>In article <01a8e85c$4e01e360$c9d423c7@#FAEROS>, grey@fox.com says...
>>
>>
>>It seems that botht the First
>>and Second ammendments are Meaningless to the Canadian Government.  I would
>>have thought you would have something comparable in Canada that would
>>protect freedom of speach and the right to keep and bear arms.
>>
>
>>Grey
>
>Like most Americans, you know remarkably little about your "Neighbor to the 
>North".  Believe it or not, Canadians just happen to value freedom at least as 
>much as you Americans do; we just happen to like a little law and order along 
>with it, if you don't mind. You should try it sometime - you'd like it!
>
>You seem unable to understand that Canadians, all in all, aren't too interested 
>in aping a country whose capital is a crime-ridden garbage can and whose major 
>cities routinely vie for the title, "Murder Capital of the World". 
>
>Just how "free" are you, by the way, if tens of millions of you have to lock 
>yourselves up in your homes at night because your neighborhoods are unsafe 
>after dark?  Self-imposed "house arrest" somehow just doesn't fit in with 
>Canadian ideas of freedom.
>
>Spend your next couple of summer vacations in Canada and learn something 
>whereof you speak.  And that doesn't mean going north, American-tourist-style, 
>to kill something (like fish and bear and moose)!  Spend some time in Toronto 
>to learn what your big cities might have been, but aren't. You'll be glad you 
>did.
>

   Canada is obediently rushing to become multiracial, 
multicultural, like the US.   When you do, let's see how well 
YOU handle it.
    You are trying to become us, and you will make it.



From bwhit@conterra.com Wed Aug 21 19:22:52 PDT 1996
Article: 40337 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bob whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Re: Putting Quotations Around "White", Another DUHH! Tactic
Date: 20 Aug 1996 20:07:42 GMT
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christop@ifi.uio.no (Christopher Henrik Lund) wrote:
>
>One *very* good reason to put quotation marks around the word "white", when
>used to describe people, is that there is no clear boundry between "white" and
>"nonwhite". In other words, the term is used arbitrarily. Even those idiot
>"white power" activists are incapable of giving a good definition of "white".
>Thus the quotation marks. The same applies to the word "black", btw.
>
>
>
>	C. Lund, Oslo	http://www.ifi.uio.no/~christop/shame.html
>
    
     I did a piece some time back about this endlessly repeated 
and silly point-- you people never come  up with anything that 
hasn't been establishment dogma and repeated endlessly.
     My piece was called "Argentina Disappears!!!"   It pointed 
out that there was debate as to whether the Falkland Islands 
were or were not part of Argentina.  According to your standard 
statement, since there is now a dispute about where Argentina's 
borders are, Argentina has ceased to exist, just as whites do 
not exist because there is some dispute about where the border 
of white is.
      I would like you to go into the Embassy of what you would 
call "Argentina" and explain that to them.   They could use a 
good laugh.
       You standard and packaged good boy types certainly have 
no trouble defining white without any quotation marks when you 
white turncoats want to blame us for something.    I have 
repeated that a number of times to your clones and not one has 
denied it. 
     Your hypocrisy is catching up with you.



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Subject: Re: Putting Quotations Around "White", Another DUHH! Tactic
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nobody@REPLAY.COM (Anonymous) wrote:
>In article <4vb4fs$ce3@informer1.cis.McMaster.CA>, Laura Finsten
> wrote:
>
>> bob whitaker  wrote:
>> 
>> [...]
>> 
>> 
>> >You wouldn't have noticed, but I haven't said anything 
>> >unpleasant about nonwhites, only about white turncoats like 
>> >you.
>> 
>> Hmmmmmm.  Turncoats.  Turncoats get the name from turning their
>> uniform coats inside-out and doing what, Mr. Whitaker?  Going
>> over to the enemy, I thought. 


     Poor Finsten!   She cannot understand the word "white".  
She demanded at least half a dozen times that I explain the  
term "anti-white white"(  That was a toughie!).   Now she is 
mystified by the term turncoat.
     All this confusion is just in the little area we two have 
been discussing.   In the entire English language, her 
confusion must be monumental.
     Maybe if she got a hearing aid she would be more familiar 
with the language spoken around her.




 Am I wrong about the etymology
>> of the word?  I assume that the phrase implies that the ones
>> to whom the said coats switch their allegiance are the enemy.
>> Otherwise they'd just be, well, making a fashion statement or
>> something, wouldn't they Mr. Whitaker? 
>
>This is a facetious argumentation. It goes in circles. You pretend to be
>ignorant of the term "turn coat" in order to make a seemingless trivial
>point at best. Please use your nicotine patch.
>> 
>> >    You Politically Correct types are the ones who explain all 
>> >disagreement with the word "Hate", since that is to you a 
>> >sufficient motive for action.
>> 
>> I am not about to concede your point.  But what word or words
>> would you use to describe your feelings about all the folks
>> you would like to forcibly deport?
>
>The words used to describe this, for your information, is, "Have a nice
>trip. Don't forget to forget."
>> 
>> "If I can't dance.....I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>>           Emma Goldman
>
>Emma not only doesn't dance. What's worse, she doesn't swallow.




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From: bob whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.skinheads
Subject: Re: Putting Quotations Around "White", Another DUHH! Tactic
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nobody@REPLAY.COM (Anonymous) wrote:
>In article <4vb4fs$ce3@informer1.cis.McMaster.CA>, Laura Finsten
> wrote:
>
>> bob whitaker  wrote:
>> 
>> [...]
>> 
>> 
>> >You wouldn't have noticed, but I haven't said anything 
>> >unpleasant about nonwhites, only about white turncoats like 
>> >you.
>> 
>> Hmmmmmm.  Turncoats.  Turncoats get the name from turning their
>> uniform coats inside-out and doing what, Mr. Whitaker?  Going
>> over to the enemy, I thought. 


     Poor Finsten!   She cannot understand the word "white".  
She demanded at least half a dozen times that I explain the  
term "anti-white white"(  That was a toughie!).   Now she is 
mystified by the term turncoat.
     All this confusion is just in the little area we two have 
been discussing.   In the entire English language, her 
confusion must be monumental.
     Maybe if she got a hearing aid she would be more familiar 
with the language spoken around her.




 Am I wrong about the etymology
>> of the word?  I assume that the phrase implies that the ones
>> to whom the said coats switch their allegiance are the enemy.
>> Otherwise they'd just be, well, making a fashion statement or
>> something, wouldn't they Mr. Whitaker? 
>
>This is a facetious argumentation. It goes in circles. You pretend to be
>ignorant of the term "turn coat" in order to make a seemingless trivial
>point at best. Please use your nicotine patch.
>> 
>> >    You Politically Correct types are the ones who explain all 
>> >disagreement with the word "Hate", since that is to you a 
>> >sufficient motive for action.
>> 
>> I am not about to concede your point.  But what word or words
>> would you use to describe your feelings about all the folks
>> you would like to forcibly deport?
>
>The words used to describe this, for your information, is, "Have a nice
>trip. Don't forget to forget."
>> 
>> "If I can't dance.....I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>>           Emma Goldman
>
>Emma not only doesn't dance. What's worse, she doesn't swallow.




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From: bob whitaker 
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slaldin@chat.carleton.ca (Sam Laldin) wrote:
>Anonymous (nobody@REPLAY.COM) wrote:
>> In article <4vb4fs$ce3@informer1.cis.McMaster.CA>, Laura Finsten
>>  wrote:
>
>> > bob whitaker  wrote:
>> > 
>> > [...]
>> > 
>> > 
>> > >You wouldn't have noticed, but I haven't said anything 
>> > >unpleasant about nonwhites, only about white turncoats like 
>> > >you.
>> > 
>> > Hmmmmmm.  Turncoats.  Turncoats get the name from turning their
>> > uniform coats inside-out and doing what, Mr. Whitaker?  Going
>> > over to the enemy, I thought.  Am I wrong about the etymology
>> > of the word?  I assume that the phrase implies that the ones
>> > to whom the said coats switch their allegiance are the enemy.
>> > Otherwise they'd just be, well, making a fashion statement or
>> > something, wouldn't they Mr. Whitaker? 
>
>> This is a facetious argumentation. It goes in circles. You pretend to be
>> ignorant of the term "turn coat" in order to make a seemingless trivial
>> point at best. Please use your nicotine patch.
>
>get a brain and recognize sarcasm when you read it.  your ignorance in not
>realize when your argument is unsubstantiated only further your portrait
>of stupidity of holding fast to your beliefs in light of information that
>disprove said beliefs.
>
>> > 
>> > >    You Politically Correct types are the ones who explain all 
>> > >disagreement with the word "Hate", since that is to you a 
>> > >sufficient motive for action.
>> > 
>> > I am not about to concede your point.  But what word or words
>> > would you use to describe your feelings about all the folks
>> > you would like to forcibly deport?
>
>> The words used to describe this, for your information, is, "Have a nice
>> trip. Don't forget to forget."
>> > 
>> > "If I can't dance.....I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>> >           Emma Goldman
>
>> Emma not only doesn't dance. What's worse, she doesn't swallow.
>
>fool.
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>+++ All Power to All People +++
>
>" Last night they relieved me of all my sorrows
>  In the darkness they gave me the water of life."
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
slaldin@chat.carleton.ca (Sam Laldin) wrote:
>Anonymous (nobody@REPLAY.COM) wrote:
>> In article <4vb4fs$ce3@informer1.cis.McMaster.CA>, Laura Finsten
>>  wrote:
>
>> > bob whitaker  wrote:
>> > 
>> > [...]
>> > 
>> > 
>> > >You wouldn't have noticed, but I haven't said anything 
>> > >unpleasant about nonwhites, only about white turncoats like 
>> > >you.
>> > 
>> > Hmmmmmm.  Turncoats.  Turncoats get the name from turning their
>> > uniform coats inside-out and doing what, Mr. Whitaker?  Going
>> > over to the enemy, I thought.  Am I wrong about the etymology
>> > of the word?  I assume that the phrase implies that the ones
>> > to whom the said coats switch their allegiance are the enemy.
>> > Otherwise they'd just be, well, making a fashion statement or
>> > something, wouldn't they Mr. Whitaker? 
>
>> This is a facetious argumentation. It goes in circles. You pretend to be
>> ignorant of the term "turn coat" in order to make a seemingless trivial
>> point at best. Please use your nicotine patch.
>
>get a brain and recognize sarcasm when you read it.  your ignorance in not
>realize when your argument is unsubstantiated only further your portrait
>of stupidity of holding fast to your beliefs in light of information that
>disprove said beliefs.
>
>> > 
>> > >    You Politically Correct types are the ones who explain all 
>> > >disagreement with the word "Hate", since that is to you a 
>> > >sufficient motive for action.
>> > 
>> > I am not about to concede your point.  But what word or words
>> > would you use to describe your feelings about all the folks
>> > you would like to forcibly deport?
>
>> The words used to describe this, for your information, is, "Have a nice
>> trip. Don't forget to forget."
>> > 
>> > "If I can't dance.....I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>> >           Emma Goldman
>
>> Emma not only doesn't dance. What's worse, she doesn't swallow.
>
>fool.
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>+++ All Power to All People +++
>
>" Last night they relieved me of all my sorrows
>  In the darkness they gave me the water of life."
>----------------------------------------------------------------------


     Get a brain and recognize sarcasm when you see it. 



From bwhit@conterra.com Fri Aug 23 07:39:00 PDT 1996
Article: 35450 of alt.skinheads
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From: bob whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.skinheads
Subject: Re: Putting Quotations Around "White", Another DUHH! Tactic
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slaldin@chat.carleton.ca (Sam Laldin) wrote:
>Anonymous (nobody@REPLAY.COM) wrote:
>> In article <4vb4fs$ce3@informer1.cis.McMaster.CA>, Laura Finsten
>>  wrote:
>
>> > bob whitaker  wrote:
>> > 
>> > [...]
>> > 
>> > 
>> > >You wouldn't have noticed, but I haven't said anything 
>> > >unpleasant about nonwhites, only about white turncoats like 
>> > >you.
>> > 
>> > Hmmmmmm.  Turncoats.  Turncoats get the name from turning their
>> > uniform coats inside-out and doing what, Mr. Whitaker?  Going
>> > over to the enemy, I thought.  Am I wrong about the etymology
>> > of the word?  I assume that the phrase implies that the ones
>> > to whom the said coats switch their allegiance are the enemy.
>> > Otherwise they'd just be, well, making a fashion statement or
>> > something, wouldn't they Mr. Whitaker? 
>
>> This is a facetious argumentation. It goes in circles. You pretend to be
>> ignorant of the term "turn coat" in order to make a seemingless trivial
>> point at best. Please use your nicotine patch.
>
>get a brain and recognize sarcasm when you read it.  your ignorance in not
>realize when your argument is unsubstantiated only further your portrait
>of stupidity of holding fast to your beliefs in light of information that
>disprove said beliefs.
>
>> > 
>> > >    You Politically Correct types are the ones who explain all 
>> > >disagreement with the word "Hate", since that is to you a 
>> > >sufficient motive for action.
>> > 
>> > I am not about to concede your point.  But what word or words
>> > would you use to describe your feelings about all the folks
>> > you would like to forcibly deport?
>
>> The words used to describe this, for your information, is, "Have a nice
>> trip. Don't forget to forget."
>> > 
>> > "If I can't dance.....I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>> >           Emma Goldman
>
>> Emma not only doesn't dance. What's worse, she doesn't swallow.
>
>fool.
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>+++ All Power to All People +++
>
>" Last night they relieved me of all my sorrows
>  In the darkness they gave me the water of life."
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
slaldin@chat.carleton.ca (Sam Laldin) wrote:
>Anonymous (nobody@REPLAY.COM) wrote:
>> In article <4vb4fs$ce3@informer1.cis.McMaster.CA>, Laura Finsten
>>  wrote:
>
>> > bob whitaker  wrote:
>> > 
>> > [...]
>> > 
>> > 
>> > >You wouldn't have noticed, but I haven't said anything 
>> > >unpleasant about nonwhites, only about white turncoats like 
>> > >you.
>> > 
>> > Hmmmmmm.  Turncoats.  Turncoats get the name from turning their
>> > uniform coats inside-out and doing what, Mr. Whitaker?  Going
>> > over to the enemy, I thought.  Am I wrong about the etymology
>> > of the word?  I assume that the phrase implies that the ones
>> > to whom the said coats switch their allegiance are the enemy.
>> > Otherwise they'd just be, well, making a fashion statement or
>> > something, wouldn't they Mr. Whitaker? 
>
>> This is a facetious argumentation. It goes in circles. You pretend to be
>> ignorant of the term "turn coat" in order to make a seemingless trivial
>> point at best. Please use your nicotine patch.
>
>get a brain and recognize sarcasm when you read it.  your ignorance in not
>realize when your argument is unsubstantiated only further your portrait
>of stupidity of holding fast to your beliefs in light of information that
>disprove said beliefs.
>
>> > 
>> > >    You Politically Correct types are the ones who explain all 
>> > >disagreement with the word "Hate", since that is to you a 
>> > >sufficient motive for action.
>> > 
>> > I am not about to concede your point.  But what word or words
>> > would you use to describe your feelings about all the folks
>> > you would like to forcibly deport?
>
>> The words used to describe this, for your information, is, "Have a nice
>> trip. Don't forget to forget."
>> > 
>> > "If I can't dance.....I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>> >           Emma Goldman
>
>> Emma not only doesn't dance. What's worse, she doesn't swallow.
>
>fool.
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>+++ All Power to All People +++
>
>" Last night they relieved me of all my sorrows
>  In the darkness they gave me the water of life."
>----------------------------------------------------------------------


     Get a brain and recognize sarcasm when you see it. 



From bwhit@conterra.com Fri Aug 23 13:54:57 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.skinheads
Subject: Re: Putting Quotations Around "White", Another DUHH! Tactic
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slaldin@chat.carleton.ca (Sam Laldin) wrote:
>bob whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
>> nobody@REPLAY.COM (Anonymous) wrote:
>> >In article <4vb4fs$ce3@informer1.cis.McMaster.CA>, Laura Finsten
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> bob whitaker  wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> [...]
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> >You wouldn't have noticed, but I haven't said anything 
>> >> >unpleasant about nonwhites, only about white turncoats like 
>> >> >you.
>> >> 
>> >> Hmmmmmm.  Turncoats.  Turncoats get the name from turning their
>> >> uniform coats inside-out and doing what, Mr. Whitaker?  Going
>> >> over to the enemy, I thought. 
>
>
>>      Poor Finsten!   She cannot understand the word "white".  
>> She demanded at least half a dozen times that I explain the  
>> term "anti-white white"(  That was a toughie!).   Now she is 
>> mystified by the term turncoat.
>>      All this confusion is just in the little area we two have 
>> been discussing.   In the entire English language, her 
>> confusion must be monumental.
>>      Maybe if she got a hearing aid she would be more familiar 
>> with the language spoken around her.
>
>try backing up your assertion of being a former professor and capitol hill
>delgate and finally define the term 'white'.  Or has dementia finally sunk
>into your 'old fart' brain?
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>+++ All Power to All People +++
>
>" Last night they relieved me of all my sorrows
>  In the darkness they gave me the water of life."
>----------------------------------------------------------------------

Check the library, stupid.  Just because you're used to talking 
out of your ass doesn't mean I do.



From bwhit@conterra.com Fri Aug 23 14:06:10 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.skinheads
Subject: Re: Putting Quotations Around "White", Another DUHH! Tactic
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slaldin@chat.carleton.ca (Sam Laldin) wrote:
>bob whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
>> nobody@REPLAY.COM (Anonymous) wrote:
>> >In article <4vb4fs$ce3@informer1.cis.McMaster.CA>, Laura Finsten
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> bob whitaker  wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> [...]
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> >You wouldn't have noticed, but I haven't said anything 
>> >> >unpleasant about nonwhites, only about white turncoats like 
>> >> >you.
>> >> 
>> >> Hmmmmmm.  Turncoats.  Turncoats get the name from turning their
>> >> uniform coats inside-out and doing what, Mr. Whitaker?  Going
>> >> over to the enemy, I thought. 
>
>
>>      Poor Finsten!   She cannot understand the word "white".  
>> She demanded at least half a dozen times that I explain the  
>> term "anti-white white"(  That was a toughie!).   Now she is 
>> mystified by the term turncoat.
>>      All this confusion is just in the little area we two have 
>> been discussing.   In the entire English language, her 
>> confusion must be monumental.
>>      Maybe if she got a hearing aid she would be more familiar 
>> with the language spoken around her.
>
>try backing up your assertion of being a former professor and capitol hill
>delgate and finally define the term 'white'.  Or has dementia finally sunk
>into your 'old fart' brain?
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>+++ All Power to All People +++
>
>" Last night they relieved me of all my sorrows
>  In the darkness they gave me the water of life."
>----------------------------------------------------------------------

Check the library, stupid.  Just because you're used to talking 
out of your ass doesn't mean I do.



From bwhit@conterra.com Sat Aug 24 09:50:13 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
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Subject: Re: Putting Quotations Around "White", Another DUHH! Tactic
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Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote:
>Laura Finsten wrote to Bob Whitaker:
>> ...
>> 
>> I see that my point escaped you.  You have said elsewhere that
>> you don't have any anomosity toward "non-whites", and you do
>> not consider them to be your enemy.  Your use of the word
>> "turncoat" to describe people who don't share you views, though,
>> suggests that you do indeed view "whites" who disagree with you
>> as siding with the enemy - "non-whites".  In other words, your
>> choice of words here suggests that what you have said elsewhere
>> is not the whole truth and not nothing but the truth.
>> ...
>
>
>Ridiculous. The set "anti-Whites" overlaps both sets "Whites" and 
>"non-Whites." This is implicit in Mr. Whitaker's statement.
>
>Therefore, a "White turncoat" is one who joins the anti-Whites. Nowhere 
>has Mr. Whitaker stated that all non-Whites are anti-White.
>
     

   Notice how desperately Finsten and the other clones need for 
me to be Evil.
   After all, if a black person were not especially interested 
in a threat to Africa, all the clones would -- in the real 
world, not in what they will say here -- be scandalized at said 
black.  An Asia who showed no special interest in his own 
people would likewise be considered by them to be altogether 
unnatural.
    It is quite normal for me to be interested in the fate of 
white majority countries, and those who make a great virtue of 
not caring about their own race sound a bit sick.
    The only way out of this is for any white with normal 
feelings for his own race to be Evil.  He must be a Nazi Who 
Wants To Kill Six Million Jews.
     Otherwise, why on earth would it be so critical to Finsten 
that I be Evil?


>
>Happy Labor Day,
>
>
>-- 
>
>
>Kevin Alfred Strom
>
>-----------------------------------------------------------
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>                  I speak only for myself:
>
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>
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>
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>      http://www.telecall.co.uk/~synergy/gframing/cat2.html
>
>                   Patriotic Resistance:
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From bwhit@conterra.com Sat Aug 24 09:50:16 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Re: Putting Quotations Around "White", Another DUHH! Tactic
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Strom is acting the idiot playing thsi DUHH, What white is? 
game with you clones.
   When it comes to coutries that must bring in large numbers 
of immigrants or placing blame, you clones never put quotes 
around white.



jeff_brown@pol.com (Jeffrey G. Brown) wrote:
>In article <321D1905.2168@ix.netcom.com>, Kevin Alfred Strom
> wrote:
>
>> From _Funk and Wagnalls Standard College Dictionary_:
>>    white race, n. The Caucasoid ethnic division of mankind.
>> 
>> From _Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary_:
>> 
>>    white, adj., 2. being a member of a group or race characterized by
>> reduced pigmentation and usu. specif. distinguished from persons
>> belonging to groups marked by black, brown, yellow or red skin
>> coloration.
>> 
>> I have several more dictionaries, would you like to see definitions from
>> them, too?
>
>Which definition are you actually going to use, come the revolution? One
>of these, or the one based on one's ancestors having "replaced the
>Neanderthals" that you gave in another post? Those of us who are destined
>to live under your benevolent regime would really like to know.
>
>How will a specific individual's membership in "the Caucasoid ethnic
>division of mankind" be established? How will "reduced pigmentation" be
>determined? You really do have to settle these questions, you know, before
>you can decide who gets to live in your Mighty Whitey Cloud-Cuckoo Land.
>
>> Obviously, the point Anonymous was making was that the standards demanded
>> for a definition of White by anti-racists would make most anything
>> undefinable. But irony is lost on the jg-brown-bot.
>
>The point is: if you are going to solve the world's problems by separating
>the races, how _exactly_ do you intend to decide who is of what race? I
>think that a future Ruler of Mankind ought to be able to answer a simple
>question like that. But then, perhaps I hold my despots to higher
>standards than you do...
>
>JGB
>
>=====================================================================
>Jeffrey G. Brown                                   jeff_brown@pol.com
> "What's going to happen?"   "Something wonderful..."   -- '2010'




From bwhit@conterra.com Sat Aug 24 09:50:18 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
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Subject: Re: Putting Quotations Around "White", Another DUHH! Tactic
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Laura Finsten  wrote:
>bob whitaker  wrote:
>>Laura Finsten  wrote:
>>>bob whitaker  wrote:
>
>[...]
>
>>>I am not about to concede your point.  But what word or words
>>>would you use to describe your feelings about all the folks
>>>you would like to forcibly deport?
>
>[...]
>
>>   These deportations came out of your own fevered brain.
>[...]
>>    None of this has anything to do with deportations.   Give 
>>my race the right to exist and its part in space settlement in 
>>some unmixed colonies, that would do nicely.
>
>How are you going to get "unmixed" space for your "white colonies"
>without deporting, evicting or otherwise forcibly removing the
>"nonwhites" there now?
>
>"If I can't dance.....I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>          Emma Goldman
>
>
WWAKE UP!
There's nobody out there yet!  How the hell can anybody be 
deported from where nobody is?  I isad SET UP white colonies!!!
Jesus!   Are you really that dense?



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From: bob whitaker 
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Subject: Re: Putting Quotations Around "White", Another DUHH! Tactic
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   I have said this a dozen times, and not one clone has denied 
it: when it comes to blaming whites for things, those quotation 
marks come off.



laldin@chat.carleton.ca (Sam Laldin) wrote:
>Kevin Alfred Strom (ka_strom@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
>> Christopher Henrik Lund wrote:
>> > 
>> > In article <4vd6l8$ac3@molokini.conterra.com>, bob whitaker  writes:
>> ....
>> > >     Genocide applied to my race is still genocide.
>> > 
>> > And what "race" is that, bobby?
>> > 
>> >         C. Lund, Oslo   http://www.ifi.uio.no/~christop/shame.html
>
>
>> Here the self-styled "anti-racists" are showing their true colors. Bob, 
>> genocide _can't_ be committed against White people -- since the White 
>> race doesn't exist.
>
>
>> christop@ifi.uio.no (Christopher Henrik Lund) also wrote:
>> >
>> >One *very* good reason to put quotation marks around the word "white", 
>> >when used to describe people, is that there is no clear boundry between 
>> >"white" and "nonwhite". In other words, the term is used arbitrarily. 
>> >Even those idiot "white power" activists are incapable of giving a good 
>> >definition of "white". Thus the quotation marks. The same applies to the 
>> >word "black", btw.
>
>
>> If we depart, for a moment, from the emotional area of human subspecies, 
>> and discuss merely the _colors_ black and white, we can easily see the 
>> transparent preposterousness of your statement.
>
>> Since there is no sharp dividing line between black and white -- or 
>
>but there is, black is the lack or absence of colour whereas white is the
>combination of the spectrum.
>
>> indeed between green and red, or indigo and infrared for that matter -- 
>> then we ought to put the names of all colors in quotation marks. 
>> Furthermore, since there is no sharp dividing line between the colors, 
>> colors really do not exist at all and no decisions whatever can be made 
>> based upon the alleged "color" of any object.
>
>Actually, colours don't techinically exist; at least no more than our
>'conscious' does.  What we percieve of as colour is simply our visual
>cortex's interpretation of a wavelength striking our retina which causes
>the release of certain chemical.  The v. cortex then interpretes this
>chemical change as colour.
>
>However, comparing the importance of colours of objects and colours of
>people is, if you'll excuse the pun, like comparing apples and oranges...
>at least in this ng.  Certain people have cause the colour of skin to
>become artifically important.  I don't quite understand delineating ethnic
>backgrounds on skin colour.  My father is brown and my mom is white.  By
>some in this ng. I may be classified as a mixed breed.  But one problem,
>my mom (as is my father) is 100% Indian.  You see, the N. India there are
>many people who are white and this has been so for thousands of years. 
>Does you now understand the innacuracy of correlating skin colour with
>ethnic heritage?
>
>> There exists a chemical waste dump. The chemical waste dump grades 
>> imperceptibly into a mountain stream. The mountain stream grades 
>> imperceptibly into a river. The river grades imperceptibly into the 
>> Mississippi. The Mississippi grades imperceptibly into the Gulf of 
>> Mexico. The Gulf of Mexico grades imperceptibly into the Atlantic Ocean. 
>> So all liquid is equal; streams, rivers, gulfs, and oceans don't exist; 
>> and there is no difference between the Atlantic Ocean and a chemical 
>> waste dump.
>
>Except of course chemical waste never 'imperceptibly' mixes in with water.
> They are both liquid, correct.  'All liquid is equal'... well, I'm not
>sure what you mean.  There is no difference between the Atl. Ocean and
>chemical waste b/c the latter is in the former.  However, there is a
>differnce between water (re: H20) and chemical waste.
>
>[snip]
>
>> The White race consists of the descendants of those people who replaced 
>> the Neanderthals in Europe and surrounding territories, and who did not 
>> mix with other races subsequently. This would encompass the founding 
>> stock of all European nationalities, as well as those of the same race 
>> who have occupied other territories.
>
>interesting.  but as i stated before, the usage of White is innaccurate.
>
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>+++ All Power to All People +++
>
>" Last night they relieved me of all my sorrows
>  In the darkness they gave me the water of life."
>----------------------------------------------------------------------




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christop@ifi.uio.no (Christopher Henrik Lund) wrote:
>
>In article <4vfjv5$4gs@molokini.conterra.com>, bob whitaker  writes:
>> christop@ifi.uio.no (Christopher Henrik Lund) wrote:
>> >
>> >In article <4vd6l8$ac3@molokini.conterra.com>, bob whitaker  writes:
>> >> Laura Finsten  wrote:
>> >> >bob whitaker  wrote:
>> >
>> >	[rant & rave]
>> >
>> >>     Genocide applied to my race is still genocide.
>> >
>> >And what "race" is that, bobby?
>> 
>>      You're a good boy.
>> 
>
>You don't like answering all those tough questions, do you...
>
>
>
>	C. Lund, Oslo	http://www.ifi.uio.no/~christop/shame.html


     You're a good boy.





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atticus@mindspring.com (Andy Walton) wrote:
>In article <321CD7A8.6B68@ix.netcom.com>, Kevin Alfred Strom
> wrote:
>
>  :Andy Walton wrote:
>  :> The anarchism=communism bit was a common theme of political discourse at
>  :> the time, and is still carried on by folks with little or no understanding
>  :> of political philosophy.
>  :> 
>  :
>  :Evidently, Emma Goldman must be one of those with "little or no 
>  :understanding of political philosophy," since she herself equated the two 
>  :in no uncertain terms.
>
>Did she? She took pride in the appelation "red," just as many in the
>"White power" movement take pride in being called racist -- because it is
>flattering to any revolutionary to be seen as a threat to the status quo,
>however mischaracterized the threat.
>
>  :I purposely used communism with a lower-case "c" -- because that is 
>  :precisely what Emma Goldman advocated under the murderous bomber's banner 
>  :of anarchism.
>
>A nice bit of alliteration, but what do you mean by this statement? If by
>lower-case-c-communism you mean a classless society, the eventual
>abolition of government, and a society built on universal cooperation and
>brotherhood, then communism, anarchism,and revolutionary democracy all
>have a common goal. To the extent that they believe those goals
>achievable, they are all victims of a crushing naivete.
>
>  :
>  :Let us review the facts:
>  :
>  :Emma Goldman was in favor of the Bolshevik revolution at its inception. 
>
>Anyone with a passing interest in the peasantry had little choice but to
>favor the revolution. 

   OH, HORSESHIT!
   Do you think Emma Goldman ever met a peasant, or that she 
actually gave a damn about them?



The common belief was that life in Russia couldn't
>get mush worse than it had been under the Tsars. Sadly, that turned out to
>be naive.
>
>  :Later, though disillusioned as to the revolution's actual results, she 
>  :continued to embrace its "vision." This vision entailed the abolition of 
>  :private property and the dissolution of the family unit. In short, this 
>  :vision constituted communism in not too different a flavor from that 
>  :served up by Karl Marx.
>
>Or Thomas Paine, or Jean-Jacques Rousseau. All of which is radically
>different from the flavor of Communism (caps intentional) served up by
>Lenin and Stalin.
>
>  :> Anarchism and Marxism, as political philosophies, have a common goal -- a
>  :> world in which people will simply live together, without need for coercive
>  :> government. I'll let you in on a little secret -- radical democracy has
>  :> the same goal, as expressed by its earliest philosophers, most notably
>  :> Thomas Paine.
>  :> 
>  :
>  :Anarchism and Marxism and "radical democracy," whatever that is, brothers 
>  :under the skin?
>
>Yes. Any political philosophy that places any value on freedom must regard
>government as, at best, a necessary evil. All of these philosophies dream
>of its  eventual and complete abolition. All of these philosophies, in
>their times, sought a complete destuction of the old order. 
>
>  :The first two certainly; the last you haven't bothered to define. 
>
>Radical democracy, like communism and anarchism, is a utopian ideal. It
>makes some very charitable assessments of human nature, as do anarchism
>and communism. 
>
>  :Democracy as I understand it requires whatever governmental institutions 
>  :that the boobs vote for, which will probably be quite considerable and 
>  :notably coercive if the "democracies" of the 20th century are any guide. 
>  :Of course, with a suitable restriction of the franchise these defects can 
>  :be ameliorated.
>
>Restriction of the franchise is one means of tempering the impulses of the
>masses; restriction of government powers via the Constitution is another.
>The American model allows all to vote, but places restrictions on the
>power of the majority. It also establishes a fairly rigorous procedure to
>amend the Constitution, during which time (we hope) the voices of reason
>will be heard.
>
>  :Persons intelligent enough to devise political philosophies that are 
>  :taken seriously by others are also, in most cases, intelligent enough to 
>  :perceive that the likelihood of a "world in which people will simply live 
>  :together, without need for coercive government" is somewhere between that 
>  :of Christ's return to rule the Earth and Bill Moyers' having an original 
>  :thought.
>
>If you conducted a poll, you would likely find that a majority believed in
>Christ's imminent return. Communism and anarchism are built on several
>articles of faith, as unfounded, preposterous (to the nonbeliever) and
>self-evident (to the believer) as those of Christianity.
>
>  :If they then, on that basis, enlist others in their killing crusade for 
>  :"communism" or "anarchism" or "equality," they mislead their followers. 
>
>Not necessarily intentionally; many, if not most, have first mislead themselves.
>
>(snip)
>
>  :I am not a Catholic and I disagree with that church on many issues, but 
>  :the wanton slaughter of priests, nuns, and loyal parishoners by the 
>  :Communists in Spain -- and they were slaughtered in many cases merely 
>  :because they were priests or nuns -- is revolting beyond description.
>
>And the fascists were as innocent as lambs in this? Had German engineering
>developed a bomb that could avoid killing priests when dropped on a
>church? Did no clergy die in Guernica?
>
>The struggle between fascism and communism in Europe is a troublesome one,
>at best. Anyone with the vaguest belief on democracy could only hope that
>the sonsabitches would blow each other up, and rid the world of each
>other. Unfortunately, this did not happen.
>
>The U.S. was forced to take a side against either fascism or communism.
>The deciding factor was that the Germans bombed our allies. Had it turned
>out the other way -- if Stalin had invaded Poland, Belgium, and France and
>bombed England -- the U.S. would have allied with Hitler, and we may well
>have seen a 50-year Cold War between Western and Easten blocs on very
>different ideological terms.
>
>  :I suggest you read _The Red Domination in Spain_, Afrodisio Aguado, 
>  :Madrid, 1946. Page upon page upon page of photographs of the "loyalists" 
>  :and their often obscenely mutilated victims... the "loyalists" 
>  :desecrating churches... the abused bodies of the murdered churchmen...  
>
>I suggest that you look at Picasso's "Guernica." The Spanish civil war was
>one prolonged atrocity. Enumerating the atrocities committed by one side
>does nothing to diminish the atrocities committed by the other.
>
>  :the "loyalists" meeting under giant posters of Lenin and Stalin... with a 
>  :10-story-high hammer and sickle towering over the streets of Barcelona... 
>  :the "Marxist Militia" and Red Army marching through the streets of 
>  :Madrid... the leader of the Red Army and the "Minister of Public 
>  :Instruction" and a Red Army "Political Commissary" exchanging the 
>  :clenched-fist Communist salute.
>
>And? Do you think that I'll be stunned by the taint of communism? The
>Great Depression was a polarizing time. In the eyes of many, the only
>choice was between communism ans fascism. Frankly, I can't argue with
>either choice, as both are ideologies worth opposing. I'd like to think,
>though I'm probably giving myself too many points for courage, that I'd
>just lob a bomb at every sumbitch in uniform, on either side.
>
>Which reminds me of a joke. A communist, a fascist, and a Jew are sitting
>in a sidewalk café. God suddenly appears, and offers all three men one
>wish apiece.
>
>In unison, the communist and the fascist respond: the communist says "I
>wish there were no more fascists," and the fascist wishes the same in
>reverse. Both disappear. God then asks the Jew for his wish.
>
>He looks at both empty chairs, thinks a moment, and says, "another cup of
>coffee."
>
>  :It goes on for over 400 pages. This was 
>  :what Goldman described as a "great moment in the history of Spain and 
>  :the world."
>
>It sounds like Goldman was the victim of a common delusion: she mistook
>the lesser of two evils for good. The (temporary, in Spain) defeat of
>fascism was a good thing. The (temporary) ascendance of communism was a
>bad one. The same was true in Russia. It's difficult to mourn the loss of
>the Tsars, but in perfect 20-20 hindsight, it's easy to see that the
>communist cure was worse than the disease.
>
>In Spain, the two sides that mattered were fascist and anti-fascist; when
>and if the anti-fascists won, then they could commence to fighting amongst
>themselves, as the Bolsheviks and Mensheviks did in 1919-1921. In Spain,
>the rift between democrats and communists was moot, as both lost to the
>fascists
>
>More aid to the loyalists from the West may have bolstered the democrats.
>More aid from the USSR may have bolstered the communists. All of which has
>been debated by historians for 60 years, and is as moot today as it ever
>was. There was no right side in that war; only differing views of which
>side was less wrong than the other.
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
>   "We were once so close to heaven, Peter came out and gave us medals 
>   declaring us the nicest of the damned."      --They Might Be Giants
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Andy Walton * atticus@mindspring.com * http://www.mindspring.com/~atticus




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From: bob whitaker 
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Subject: Re: Putting Quotations Around "White", Another DUHH! Tactic
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Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote:
>Laura Finsten wrote to Bob Whitaker:
>> ...
>> 
>> I see that my point escaped you.  You have said elsewhere that
>> you don't have any anomosity toward "non-whites", and you do
>> not consider them to be your enemy.  Your use of the word
>> "turncoat" to describe people who don't share you views, though,
>> suggests that you do indeed view "whites" who disagree with you
>> as siding with the enemy - "non-whites".  In other words, your
>> choice of words here suggests that what you have said elsewhere
>> is not the whole truth and not nothing but the truth.
>> ...
>
>
>Ridiculous. The set "anti-Whites" overlaps both sets "Whites" and 
>"non-Whites." This is implicit in Mr. Whitaker's statement.
>
>Therefore, a "White turncoat" is one who joins the anti-Whites. Nowhere 
>has Mr. Whitaker stated that all non-Whites are anti-White.
>
     

   Notice how desperately Finsten and the other clones need for 
me to be Evil.
   After all, if a black person were not especially interested 
in a threat to Africa, all the clones would -- in the real 
world, not in what they will say here -- be scandalized at said 
black.  An Asia who showed no special interest in his own 
people would likewise be considered by them to be altogether 
unnatural.
    It is quite normal for me to be interested in the fate of 
white majority countries, and those who make a great virtue of 
not caring about their own race sound a bit sick.
    The only way out of this is for any white with normal 
feelings for his own race to be Evil.  He must be a Nazi Who 
Wants To Kill Six Million Jews.
     Otherwise, why on earth would it be so critical to Finsten 
that I be Evil?


>
>Happy Labor Day,
>
>
>-- 
>
>
>Kevin Alfred Strom
>
>-----------------------------------------------------------
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Subject: Re: Putting Quotations Around "White", Another DUHH! Tactic
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Laura Finsten  wrote:
>bob whitaker  wrote:
>>Laura Finsten  wrote:
>>>bob whitaker  wrote:
>
>[...]
>
>>>I am not about to concede your point.  But what word or words
>>>would you use to describe your feelings about all the folks
>>>you would like to forcibly deport?
>
>[...]
>
>>   These deportations came out of your own fevered brain.
>[...]
>>    None of this has anything to do with deportations.   Give 
>>my race the right to exist and its part in space settlement in 
>>some unmixed colonies, that would do nicely.
>
>How are you going to get "unmixed" space for your "white colonies"
>without deporting, evicting or otherwise forcibly removing the
>"nonwhites" there now?
>
>"If I can't dance.....I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>          Emma Goldman
>
>
WWAKE UP!
There's nobody out there yet!  How the hell can anybody be 
deported from where nobody is?  I isad SET UP white colonies!!!
Jesus!   Are you really that dense?



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   I have said this a dozen times, and not one clone has denied 
it: when it comes to blaming whites for things, those quotation 
marks come off.



laldin@chat.carleton.ca (Sam Laldin) wrote:
>Kevin Alfred Strom (ka_strom@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
>> Christopher Henrik Lund wrote:
>> > 
>> > In article <4vd6l8$ac3@molokini.conterra.com>, bob whitaker  writes:
>> ....
>> > >     Genocide applied to my race is still genocide.
>> > 
>> > And what "race" is that, bobby?
>> > 
>> >         C. Lund, Oslo   http://www.ifi.uio.no/~christop/shame.html
>
>
>> Here the self-styled "anti-racists" are showing their true colors. Bob, 
>> genocide _can't_ be committed against White people -- since the White 
>> race doesn't exist.
>
>
>> christop@ifi.uio.no (Christopher Henrik Lund) also wrote:
>> >
>> >One *very* good reason to put quotation marks around the word "white", 
>> >when used to describe people, is that there is no clear boundry between 
>> >"white" and "nonwhite". In other words, the term is used arbitrarily. 
>> >Even those idiot "white power" activists are incapable of giving a good 
>> >definition of "white". Thus the quotation marks. The same applies to the 
>> >word "black", btw.
>
>
>> If we depart, for a moment, from the emotional area of human subspecies, 
>> and discuss merely the _colors_ black and white, we can easily see the 
>> transparent preposterousness of your statement.
>
>> Since there is no sharp dividing line between black and white -- or 
>
>but there is, black is the lack or absence of colour whereas white is the
>combination of the spectrum.
>
>> indeed between green and red, or indigo and infrared for that matter -- 
>> then we ought to put the names of all colors in quotation marks. 
>> Furthermore, since there is no sharp dividing line between the colors, 
>> colors really do not exist at all and no decisions whatever can be made 
>> based upon the alleged "color" of any object.
>
>Actually, colours don't techinically exist; at least no more than our
>'conscious' does.  What we percieve of as colour is simply our visual
>cortex's interpretation of a wavelength striking our retina which causes
>the release of certain chemical.  The v. cortex then interpretes this
>chemical change as colour.
>
>However, comparing the importance of colours of objects and colours of
>people is, if you'll excuse the pun, like comparing apples and oranges...
>at least in this ng.  Certain people have cause the colour of skin to
>become artifically important.  I don't quite understand delineating ethnic
>backgrounds on skin colour.  My father is brown and my mom is white.  By
>some in this ng. I may be classified as a mixed breed.  But one problem,
>my mom (as is my father) is 100% Indian.  You see, the N. India there are
>many people who are white and this has been so for thousands of years. 
>Does you now understand the innacuracy of correlating skin colour with
>ethnic heritage?
>
>> There exists a chemical waste dump. The chemical waste dump grades 
>> imperceptibly into a mountain stream. The mountain stream grades 
>> imperceptibly into a river. The river grades imperceptibly into the 
>> Mississippi. The Mississippi grades imperceptibly into the Gulf of 
>> Mexico. The Gulf of Mexico grades imperceptibly into the Atlantic Ocean. 
>> So all liquid is equal; streams, rivers, gulfs, and oceans don't exist; 
>> and there is no difference between the Atlantic Ocean and a chemical 
>> waste dump.
>
>Except of course chemical waste never 'imperceptibly' mixes in with water.
> They are both liquid, correct.  'All liquid is equal'... well, I'm not
>sure what you mean.  There is no difference between the Atl. Ocean and
>chemical waste b/c the latter is in the former.  However, there is a
>differnce between water (re: H20) and chemical waste.
>
>[snip]
>
>> The White race consists of the descendants of those people who replaced 
>> the Neanderthals in Europe and surrounding territories, and who did not 
>> mix with other races subsequently. This would encompass the founding 
>> stock of all European nationalities, as well as those of the same race 
>> who have occupied other territories.
>
>interesting.  but as i stated before, the usage of White is innaccurate.
>
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>+++ All Power to All People +++
>
>" Last night they relieved me of all my sorrows
>  In the darkness they gave me the water of life."
>----------------------------------------------------------------------




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christop@ifi.uio.no (Christopher Henrik Lund) wrote:
>
>In article <4vfjv5$4gs@molokini.conterra.com>, bob whitaker  writes:
>> christop@ifi.uio.no (Christopher Henrik Lund) wrote:
>> >
>> >In article <4vd6l8$ac3@molokini.conterra.com>, bob whitaker  writes:
>> >> Laura Finsten  wrote:
>> >> >bob whitaker  wrote:
>> >
>> >	[rant & rave]
>> >
>> >>     Genocide applied to my race is still genocide.
>> >
>> >And what "race" is that, bobby?
>> 
>>      You're a good boy.
>> 
>
>You don't like answering all those tough questions, do you...
>
>
>
>	C. Lund, Oslo	http://www.ifi.uio.no/~christop/shame.html


     You're a good boy.





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atticus@mindspring.com (Andy Walton) wrote:
>In article <321CD7A8.6B68@ix.netcom.com>, Kevin Alfred Strom
> wrote:
>
>  :Andy Walton wrote:
>  :> The anarchism=communism bit was a common theme of political discourse at
>  :> the time, and is still carried on by folks with little or no understanding
>  :> of political philosophy.
>  :> 
>  :
>  :Evidently, Emma Goldman must be one of those with "little or no 
>  :understanding of political philosophy," since she herself equated the two 
>  :in no uncertain terms.
>
>Did she? She took pride in the appelation "red," just as many in the
>"White power" movement take pride in being called racist -- because it is
>flattering to any revolutionary to be seen as a threat to the status quo,
>however mischaracterized the threat.
>
>  :I purposely used communism with a lower-case "c" -- because that is 
>  :precisely what Emma Goldman advocated under the murderous bomber's banner 
>  :of anarchism.
>
>A nice bit of alliteration, but what do you mean by this statement? If by
>lower-case-c-communism you mean a classless society, the eventual
>abolition of government, and a society built on universal cooperation and
>brotherhood, then communism, anarchism,and revolutionary democracy all
>have a common goal. To the extent that they believe those goals
>achievable, they are all victims of a crushing naivete.
>
>  :
>  :Let us review the facts:
>  :
>  :Emma Goldman was in favor of the Bolshevik revolution at its inception. 
>
>Anyone with a passing interest in the peasantry had little choice but to
>favor the revolution. 

   OH, HORSESHIT!
   Do you think Emma Goldman ever met a peasant, or that she 
actually gave a damn about them?



The common belief was that life in Russia couldn't
>get mush worse than it had been under the Tsars. Sadly, that turned out to
>be naive.
>
>  :Later, though disillusioned as to the revolution's actual results, she 
>  :continued to embrace its "vision." This vision entailed the abolition of 
>  :private property and the dissolution of the family unit. In short, this 
>  :vision constituted communism in not too different a flavor from that 
>  :served up by Karl Marx.
>
>Or Thomas Paine, or Jean-Jacques Rousseau. All of which is radically
>different from the flavor of Communism (caps intentional) served up by
>Lenin and Stalin.
>
>  :> Anarchism and Marxism, as political philosophies, have a common goal -- a
>  :> world in which people will simply live together, without need for coercive
>  :> government. I'll let you in on a little secret -- radical democracy has
>  :> the same goal, as expressed by its earliest philosophers, most notably
>  :> Thomas Paine.
>  :> 
>  :
>  :Anarchism and Marxism and "radical democracy," whatever that is, brothers 
>  :under the skin?
>
>Yes. Any political philosophy that places any value on freedom must regard
>government as, at best, a necessary evil. All of these philosophies dream
>of its  eventual and complete abolition. All of these philosophies, in
>their times, sought a complete destuction of the old order. 
>
>  :The first two certainly; the last you haven't bothered to define. 
>
>Radical democracy, like communism and anarchism, is a utopian ideal. It
>makes some very charitable assessments of human nature, as do anarchism
>and communism. 
>
>  :Democracy as I understand it requires whatever governmental institutions 
>  :that the boobs vote for, which will probably be quite considerable and 
>  :notably coercive if the "democracies" of the 20th century are any guide. 
>  :Of course, with a suitable restriction of the franchise these defects can 
>  :be ameliorated.
>
>Restriction of the franchise is one means of tempering the impulses of the
>masses; restriction of government powers via the Constitution is another.
>The American model allows all to vote, but places restrictions on the
>power of the majority. It also establishes a fairly rigorous procedure to
>amend the Constitution, during which time (we hope) the voices of reason
>will be heard.
>
>  :Persons intelligent enough to devise political philosophies that are 
>  :taken seriously by others are also, in most cases, intelligent enough to 
>  :perceive that the likelihood of a "world in which people will simply live 
>  :together, without need for coercive government" is somewhere between that 
>  :of Christ's return to rule the Earth and Bill Moyers' having an original 
>  :thought.
>
>If you conducted a poll, you would likely find that a majority believed in
>Christ's imminent return. Communism and anarchism are built on several
>articles of faith, as unfounded, preposterous (to the nonbeliever) and
>self-evident (to the believer) as those of Christianity.
>
>  :If they then, on that basis, enlist others in their killing crusade for 
>  :"communism" or "anarchism" or "equality," they mislead their followers. 
>
>Not necessarily intentionally; many, if not most, have first mislead themselves.
>
>(snip)
>
>  :I am not a Catholic and I disagree with that church on many issues, but 
>  :the wanton slaughter of priests, nuns, and loyal parishoners by the 
>  :Communists in Spain -- and they were slaughtered in many cases merely 
>  :because they were priests or nuns -- is revolting beyond description.
>
>And the fascists were as innocent as lambs in this? Had German engineering
>developed a bomb that could avoid killing priests when dropped on a
>church? Did no clergy die in Guernica?
>
>The struggle between fascism and communism in Europe is a troublesome one,
>at best. Anyone with the vaguest belief on democracy could only hope that
>the sonsabitches would blow each other up, and rid the world of each
>other. Unfortunately, this did not happen.
>
>The U.S. was forced to take a side against either fascism or communism.
>The deciding factor was that the Germans bombed our allies. Had it turned
>out the other way -- if Stalin had invaded Poland, Belgium, and France and
>bombed England -- the U.S. would have allied with Hitler, and we may well
>have seen a 50-year Cold War between Western and Easten blocs on very
>different ideological terms.
>
>  :I suggest you read _The Red Domination in Spain_, Afrodisio Aguado, 
>  :Madrid, 1946. Page upon page upon page of photographs of the "loyalists" 
>  :and their often obscenely mutilated victims... the "loyalists" 
>  :desecrating churches... the abused bodies of the murdered churchmen...  
>
>I suggest that you look at Picasso's "Guernica." The Spanish civil war was
>one prolonged atrocity. Enumerating the atrocities committed by one side
>does nothing to diminish the atrocities committed by the other.
>
>  :the "loyalists" meeting under giant posters of Lenin and Stalin... with a 
>  :10-story-high hammer and sickle towering over the streets of Barcelona... 
>  :the "Marxist Militia" and Red Army marching through the streets of 
>  :Madrid... the leader of the Red Army and the "Minister of Public 
>  :Instruction" and a Red Army "Political Commissary" exchanging the 
>  :clenched-fist Communist salute.
>
>And? Do you think that I'll be stunned by the taint of communism? The
>Great Depression was a polarizing time. In the eyes of many, the only
>choice was between communism ans fascism. Frankly, I can't argue with
>either choice, as both are ideologies worth opposing. I'd like to think,
>though I'm probably giving myself too many points for courage, that I'd
>just lob a bomb at every sumbitch in uniform, on either side.
>
>Which reminds me of a joke. A communist, a fascist, and a Jew are sitting
>in a sidewalk café. God suddenly appears, and offers all three men one
>wish apiece.
>
>In unison, the communist and the fascist respond: the communist says "I
>wish there were no more fascists," and the fascist wishes the same in
>reverse. Both disappear. God then asks the Jew for his wish.
>
>He looks at both empty chairs, thinks a moment, and says, "another cup of
>coffee."
>
>  :It goes on for over 400 pages. This was 
>  :what Goldman described as a "great moment in the history of Spain and 
>  :the world."
>
>It sounds like Goldman was the victim of a common delusion: she mistook
>the lesser of two evils for good. The (temporary, in Spain) defeat of
>fascism was a good thing. The (temporary) ascendance of communism was a
>bad one. The same was true in Russia. It's difficult to mourn the loss of
>the Tsars, but in perfect 20-20 hindsight, it's easy to see that the
>communist cure was worse than the disease.
>
>In Spain, the two sides that mattered were fascist and anti-fascist; when
>and if the anti-fascists won, then they could commence to fighting amongst
>themselves, as the Bolsheviks and Mensheviks did in 1919-1921. In Spain,
>the rift between democrats and communists was moot, as both lost to the
>fascists
>
>More aid to the loyalists from the West may have bolstered the democrats.
>More aid from the USSR may have bolstered the communists. All of which has
>been debated by historians for 60 years, and is as moot today as it ever
>was. There was no right side in that war; only differing views of which
>side was less wrong than the other.
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
>   "We were once so close to heaven, Peter came out and gave us medals 
>   declaring us the nicest of the damned."      --They Might Be Giants
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Andy Walton * atticus@mindspring.com * http://www.mindspring.com/~atticus




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holman@elo.helsinki.fi (Eugene Holman) wrote:
>In article <4vd4um$9k5@molokini.conterra.com>, bob whitaker
> wrote:
>
>> 
>>     That's the standard drill.  It is, in fact, the only 
>> position allowed to be publically stated.
>
>I don't see anyone doing any 'allowing' or 'forbidding',

   Loyal Soviet citizens used to say they had freedom of 
speech, too, because they were allowed to say anything they 
actually wanted to say.   You are saying here that you have 
never heard all the screams of "You Are a Nazi Who Wants to 
Kill Six Million Jews" at anyone who disagrees with 
establishment racial doctrine.  Can you actually imagine a 
pro-white speech, a speech expressing concern about the white 
race being overwhelmed, being part of a campus dialogue.
    You think speech is free becaiuse people are allowed tos ay 
everything about race you feel they should be able to say.


 and I challenge you to
>refute my analysis or come up with a better one. I doubt you will be able
>to, because mine is the version of history that comes closest to the
>truth.
>
>>     Of course it's nonsense.  Colonialism does not give 
>> non-whites an excuse to overrun whitey.
>
>'Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.' 'As ye sow, so shall
>ye reap.' I could continue...

   You certainly could, and you usually do.  You are saying 
that the white race must be destroyed for its evil.  Being 
white and not a traitor-clone, I disagree.
   While we're discussing guilt, what about the reward whites 
should get for being the only race in history to free its 
slaves(whites abolished slavery in non-white countries).  What 
is our reward for getting the worms our of your childrens' 
stomaches, ending smallpox, and a thousand other things.   
Would you really like to live in a world without white 
accomplishments?
    You want what whitey's got, and guilt is the only way to 
get it. 


  It's amazing how some people lack both an
>understanding of causal chains and a sense of historical perspective.   

     I just pointed out the positive historical perspective on 
whites you would never think of on your own, and you won't 
address now.   Try to think a little outside of the standard 
drill.


>"Just because our great grandparents brought these people here in chains
>three  and a half centuries ago, ruthlessly exploited them, and then threw
>them out in the world to fend for themselves a century and a half ago,
>shouldn't mean that I have to deal with the consequences." "Just because
>our great great great grandparents stole 45% of Mexico's territory in
>their greed to achieve 'manifest Destiny', but didn't have enough people
>to settle it or work it to its full potential (had to import 'em from
>Europe, China, and Japan), doesn't mean that today's Mexicans should have
>the right to leave the unemployement and poverty of their own overcrowded
>country and try to find work in the South West, where semi-skilled and
>agricultural jobs that 'Anglos' don't want to do are available in
>abundance."

   Exactly.  We don't owe you a damned thing.



>
>Colonialism was motivated by the desire on the part of Europeans to better
>their lot by gaining access to and exploiting resources they did not have
>in their ancestral homelands by hornswoggling them from people they
>considered gullible or inferior: it was a cynical form of economic migration
>spiced with slavery and genocide. Some people in the third world regard
>the first world as being at least to some degree the result of the
>resources and manpower usurped from their ancestors, their economic
>migration is motivated by their desiure to have a piece of what can be
>justifiably argued was built using resources and manpower which are
>partially their birthright.



   Everybody feels like they deserve everything someone else 
has.


>
>But let's be generous and, forgetting about colonialism, concetrate on the
>synchronic state of the world, with no consideratiion given to how
>it got to be the way it is. The CIA World Book of Facts, available at URL: 

    Forget your generosity, no decent white person wants it.

>
>http://www.odci.gov/cis/publications/95/fact/index.html,
>
>provided me with the following information about 'black countries' that
>have 'significant (=>1%) white minoritie'. I define 'black country' as a
>country with a reported 'black' population in excess of 50%:
>
>Country          percent white
>------------------------------
>Angola              1%
>
>Bahamas            15%
>Bermuda            39%

>Botswana            1%
>
>Cape Verde          1%
>Cuba               37%
>
>Djibouti approx.    5%
>
>French Guiana      12%
>
>Haiti              <5%
>
>Jamaica             3%
>
>Namibia             7%
>Neth. Antilles    <15%
>
>Senegal             1%
>South Africa       14%
>
>Tanzania            1%
>
>Zambia              1%
>Zimbabwe            1%


   Zimbabwe was over 4% white when I lived there and it was 
Rhodesia.

   What a pathetic charade!   This is a tiny portion of the 
world's blacks, and a bare touch of non-blacks there.  You want 
every white majority country "diversified", ie, made brown.  
Anyone who can see any comparison is not worth talking to.


>
>
>
>The former French colonies of Congo, Ivory Coast, and the Central African
>Republic, as well as Kenya, Ghana, Uganda and Zaire were noted to have
>white populations ranging between 30,000 and 500,000, not enough to be
>significant in the sense given above, but large enough to be visible and
>carry some societal clout.

    Screw societal clout.  I am talking about genocide.



>
>>     Tiny white populations in nonwhite countries...
>
>One percent of a population is no longer 'tiny', particularly if they, as
>was  the case in Zimbabwe and South Africa until quite recently, hold
>that a disproportionate amount of the national wealth belongs to them by
>virtue of 'white privilege'.
>
>> compare in no 
>> way in numbers or birth rate with the pumping in of nonwhites 
>> to white majority countries you folks insist on.
>
>Who's doing any insisting? People migrate for a variety of reasons. There
>are Europeans who migrate to third world countries in search of a better
>or more interesting future. Why should the same right be denied outright
>to people born in third world countries? (Note that I'm *not* arguing for
>uncontrolled immigration). The native populations of the Americas, Africa
>and Oceania were, for the most part, willing to accept European economic
>migrants and refugees (= colonialists)  as neighbors until these settlers
>started to invoke 'white privilege' as a justification for confiscating
>their land, massacring them, and, in many cases, transforming their
>ancient homelands into 'white majority countries'.



    We're back to the "I want what you got" theme.  Damn few 
whites want to go into non-white lands, and hundreds of 
millions of non-hites want to go into white lands.  Do you 
really think anyone is not aware of the difference?



 Argentina, Australia,
>Canada, New Zealand, and the United States offer perhaps the best examples
>of this scenario. Luckily, few can or desire to equal the Europeans when
>it comes to genocidal savagery, ethnocentric arrogance, or iniquitous
>avarice.


    You're back on your "Whitey must be punished!   So gimme!" 
line.  As usual, you spend half your time saying it and half 
your time denying you say it.



>
>>      The essence of establishment doctrine is that whites must 
>> accept that whitey must go.   
>
>'Whitey' must accept that people are bound together and form groupings on
>the basis of things much more significant than some ill-defined intangible
>as 'race'. Not too long ago, it was religion, in today's world it's shared
>economic interest. Tomorrow it could be something else, but I doubt if it
>will ever be shared skin color, hair texture, sweat gland configuration,
>earwax texture, or urine chemistry. You, Mr. Whitiker, have not been even
>close to success in producing a satisfactory definition of 'white' even
>if, as your nemesis, Ms. Finsten, never tires of pointing out, it would be
>damned important if laws were to be passed limiting certain privileges,
>including the right to
>live where one wishes, only to 'whites'.


      PLEASE NOTE THERE WERE NO QUOTATION MARKS AROUND "WHITE" 
WHEN YOU WERE CONDEMNING US ABOVE.  ONLY THE INTOLERABLE IDEA 
OF WHITE SURVIVAL BRINGS OUT YOUR QUOTATION MARKS!!!





 I'm sure that you are aware of
>the fact that one of the reasons apartheid fell in South Africa was its
>own impossibility: since there was no air-tight way of defining the racial
>groups, siblings could be given different racial classifications and thus
>very different starting points in life.


   Actually, South Africa under apartheid was the only livable 
country in Africa.  You know, but you will never voluntarily 
say, that one problem the Republic had was large-scale illegal 
black immigration from those wonderful free paradises north of 
them.
   You people used to talk about how great Africa would  be 
once it was independent.  You don't talk about that, nor does 
the press ask what happened to all that talk.
   I think South Africa is on its way down the toilet, and you 
will be as silent about it in ten years as you are now about 
those wonderful independent countries you were once so proud of 
to the north of the Republic.




 Stomach-patting definitions like



   I repeat the point you never address: you always know who 
whites are when you want what they got, nad you demand on the 
basis of white sin.



>'everybody knows who's white and who isn't' won't cut it when the stakes
>are as important as a privileged or marginalized status in society, not to
>mention the right to be an economic migrant if one's native society does
>not offer the chances for success or happiness.
>
>> It's called genocide, and all 
>> this talk aside, that's the point.
>> >
>
>Utter claptrap. It's called globalization


    Like "diversity", your "globalization" only applies to 
majority-white countries.  No one expects the Mongoloid race to 
go under under a tide of non-Mongoloid immigrants into Asia, or 
Africa to change colors.  Your final solution, which you cal 
diversity or globalization or some other code word, is your 
final solution to the white problem.


 and is the inevitable result of
>transnational interaction and the development of a world economy.
>Structures such as alliances, nations, peoples, and races are the
>historical results of specific sets of conditions, with an element of
>chance thrown in. Those that are unable to withstand the challenges of the
>future will fade away, with new, more viable structures replacing them. No
>sane person would claim that dinosaurs were the victims of genocide. Your
>great-great-great-great grandchildren might be brown-skinned and speak
>Japanese, but they'll still be your great-great-great-great grandchildren.
>
>We have spoken. 
>
>
>Eugene the Curly-headed
>King of alt.politics.white-power, Protector of our Aryan heritage,
>Defender of the English language, etc. etc. etc.




From bwhit@conterra.com Sat Aug 24 13:41:28 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
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holman@elo.helsinki.fi (Eugene Holman) wrote:
>In article <4vd4um$9k5@molokini.conterra.com>, bob whitaker
> wrote:
>
>> 
>>     That's the standard drill.  It is, in fact, the only 
>> position allowed to be publically stated.
>
>I don't see anyone doing any 'allowing' or 'forbidding',

   Loyal Soviet citizens used to say they had freedom of 
speech, too, because they were allowed to say anything they 
actually wanted to say.   You are saying here that you have 
never heard all the screams of "You Are a Nazi Who Wants to 
Kill Six Million Jews" at anyone who disagrees with 
establishment racial doctrine.  Can you actually imagine a 
pro-white speech, a speech expressing concern about the white 
race being overwhelmed, being part of a campus dialogue.
    You think speech is free becaiuse people are allowed tos ay 
everything about race you feel they should be able to say.


 and I challenge you to
>refute my analysis or come up with a better one. I doubt you will be able
>to, because mine is the version of history that comes closest to the
>truth.
>
>>     Of course it's nonsense.  Colonialism does not give 
>> non-whites an excuse to overrun whitey.
>
>'Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.' 'As ye sow, so shall
>ye reap.' I could continue...

   You certainly could, and you usually do.  You are saying 
that the white race must be destroyed for its evil.  Being 
white and not a traitor-clone, I disagree.
   While we're discussing guilt, what about the reward whites 
should get for being the only race in history to free its 
slaves(whites abolished slavery in non-white countries).  What 
is our reward for getting the worms our of your childrens' 
stomaches, ending smallpox, and a thousand other things.   
Would you really like to live in a world without white 
accomplishments?
    You want what whitey's got, and guilt is the only way to 
get it. 


  It's amazing how some people lack both an
>understanding of causal chains and a sense of historical perspective.   

     I just pointed out the positive historical perspective on 
whites you would never think of on your own, and you won't 
address now.   Try to think a little outside of the standard 
drill.


>"Just because our great grandparents brought these people here in chains
>three  and a half centuries ago, ruthlessly exploited them, and then threw
>them out in the world to fend for themselves a century and a half ago,
>shouldn't mean that I have to deal with the consequences." "Just because
>our great great great grandparents stole 45% of Mexico's territory in
>their greed to achieve 'manifest Destiny', but didn't have enough people
>to settle it or work it to its full potential (had to import 'em from
>Europe, China, and Japan), doesn't mean that today's Mexicans should have
>the right to leave the unemployement and poverty of their own overcrowded
>country and try to find work in the South West, where semi-skilled and
>agricultural jobs that 'Anglos' don't want to do are available in
>abundance."

   Exactly.  We don't owe you a damned thing.



>
>Colonialism was motivated by the desire on the part of Europeans to better
>their lot by gaining access to and exploiting resources they did not have
>in their ancestral homelands by hornswoggling them from people they
>considered gullible or inferior: it was a cynical form of economic migration
>spiced with slavery and genocide. Some people in the third world regard
>the first world as being at least to some degree the result of the
>resources and manpower usurped from their ancestors, their economic
>migration is motivated by their desiure to have a piece of what can be
>justifiably argued was built using resources and manpower which are
>partially their birthright.



   Everybody feels like they deserve everything someone else 
has.


>
>But let's be generous and, forgetting about colonialism, concetrate on the
>synchronic state of the world, with no consideratiion given to how
>it got to be the way it is. The CIA World Book of Facts, available at URL: 

    Forget your generosity, no decent white person wants it.

>
>http://www.odci.gov/cis/publications/95/fact/index.html,
>
>provided me with the following information about 'black countries' that
>have 'significant (=>1%) white minoritie'. I define 'black country' as a
>country with a reported 'black' population in excess of 50%:
>
>Country          percent white
>------------------------------
>Angola              1%
>
>Bahamas            15%
>Bermuda            39%

>Botswana            1%
>
>Cape Verde          1%
>Cuba               37%
>
>Djibouti approx.    5%
>
>French Guiana      12%
>
>Haiti              <5%
>
>Jamaica             3%
>
>Namibia             7%
>Neth. Antilles    <15%
>
>Senegal             1%
>South Africa       14%
>
>Tanzania            1%
>
>Zambia              1%
>Zimbabwe            1%


   Zimbabwe was over 4% white when I lived there and it was 
Rhodesia.

   What a pathetic charade!   This is a tiny portion of the 
world's blacks, and a bare touch of non-blacks there.  You want 
every white majority country "diversified", ie, made brown.  
Anyone who can see any comparison is not worth talking to.


>
>
>
>The former French colonies of Congo, Ivory Coast, and the Central African
>Republic, as well as Kenya, Ghana, Uganda and Zaire were noted to have
>white populations ranging between 30,000 and 500,000, not enough to be
>significant in the sense given above, but large enough to be visible and
>carry some societal clout.

    Screw societal clout.  I am talking about genocide.



>
>>     Tiny white populations in nonwhite countries...
>
>One percent of a population is no longer 'tiny', particularly if they, as
>was  the case in Zimbabwe and South Africa until quite recently, hold
>that a disproportionate amount of the national wealth belongs to them by
>virtue of 'white privilege'.
>
>> compare in no 
>> way in numbers or birth rate with the pumping in of nonwhites 
>> to white majority countries you folks insist on.
>
>Who's doing any insisting? People migrate for a variety of reasons. There
>are Europeans who migrate to third world countries in search of a better
>or more interesting future. Why should the same right be denied outright
>to people born in third world countries? (Note that I'm *not* arguing for
>uncontrolled immigration). The native populations of the Americas, Africa
>and Oceania were, for the most part, willing to accept European economic
>migrants and refugees (= colonialists)  as neighbors until these settlers
>started to invoke 'white privilege' as a justification for confiscating
>their land, massacring them, and, in many cases, transforming their
>ancient homelands into 'white majority countries'.



    We're back to the "I want what you got" theme.  Damn few 
whites want to go into non-white lands, and hundreds of 
millions of non-hites want to go into white lands.  Do you 
really think anyone is not aware of the difference?



 Argentina, Australia,
>Canada, New Zealand, and the United States offer perhaps the best examples
>of this scenario. Luckily, few can or desire to equal the Europeans when
>it comes to genocidal savagery, ethnocentric arrogance, or iniquitous
>avarice.


    You're back on your "Whitey must be punished!   So gimme!" 
line.  As usual, you spend half your time saying it and half 
your time denying you say it.



>
>>      The essence of establishment doctrine is that whites must 
>> accept that whitey must go.   
>
>'Whitey' must accept that people are bound together and form groupings on
>the basis of things much more significant than some ill-defined intangible
>as 'race'. Not too long ago, it was religion, in today's world it's shared
>economic interest. Tomorrow it could be something else, but I doubt if it
>will ever be shared skin color, hair texture, sweat gland configuration,
>earwax texture, or urine chemistry. You, Mr. Whitiker, have not been even
>close to success in producing a satisfactory definition of 'white' even
>if, as your nemesis, Ms. Finsten, never tires of pointing out, it would be
>damned important if laws were to be passed limiting certain privileges,
>including the right to
>live where one wishes, only to 'whites'.


      PLEASE NOTE THERE WERE NO QUOTATION MARKS AROUND "WHITE" 
WHEN YOU WERE CONDEMNING US ABOVE.  ONLY THE INTOLERABLE IDEA 
OF WHITE SURVIVAL BRINGS OUT YOUR QUOTATION MARKS!!!





 I'm sure that you are aware of
>the fact that one of the reasons apartheid fell in South Africa was its
>own impossibility: since there was no air-tight way of defining the racial
>groups, siblings could be given different racial classifications and thus
>very different starting points in life.


   Actually, South Africa under apartheid was the only livable 
country in Africa.  You know, but you will never voluntarily 
say, that one problem the Republic had was large-scale illegal 
black immigration from those wonderful free paradises north of 
them.
   You people used to talk about how great Africa would  be 
once it was independent.  You don't talk about that, nor does 
the press ask what happened to all that talk.
   I think South Africa is on its way down the toilet, and you 
will be as silent about it in ten years as you are now about 
those wonderful independent countries you were once so proud of 
to the north of the Republic.




 Stomach-patting definitions like



   I repeat the point you never address: you always know who 
whites are when you want what they got, nad you demand on the 
basis of white sin.



>'everybody knows who's white and who isn't' won't cut it when the stakes
>are as important as a privileged or marginalized status in society, not to
>mention the right to be an economic migrant if one's native society does
>not offer the chances for success or happiness.
>
>> It's called genocide, and all 
>> this talk aside, that's the point.
>> >
>
>Utter claptrap. It's called globalization


    Like "diversity", your "globalization" only applies to 
majority-white countries.  No one expects the Mongoloid race to 
go under under a tide of non-Mongoloid immigrants into Asia, or 
Africa to change colors.  Your final solution, which you cal 
diversity or globalization or some other code word, is your 
final solution to the white problem.


 and is the inevitable result of
>transnational interaction and the development of a world economy.
>Structures such as alliances, nations, peoples, and races are the
>historical results of specific sets of conditions, with an element of
>chance thrown in. Those that are unable to withstand the challenges of the
>future will fade away, with new, more viable structures replacing them. No
>sane person would claim that dinosaurs were the victims of genocide. Your
>great-great-great-great grandchildren might be brown-skinned and speak
>Japanese, but they'll still be your great-great-great-great grandchildren.
>
>We have spoken. 
>
>
>Eugene the Curly-headed
>King of alt.politics.white-power, Protector of our Aryan heritage,
>Defender of the English language, etc. etc. etc.




From bwhit@conterra.com Sat Aug 24 13:47:10 PDT 1996
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holman@elo.helsinki.fi (Eugene Holman) wrote:
>In article <4vd4um$9k5@molokini.conterra.com>, bob whitaker
> wrote:
>
>> 
>>     That's the standard drill.  It is, in fact, the only 
>> position allowed to be publically stated.
>
>I don't see anyone doing any 'allowing' or 'forbidding',

   Loyal Soviet citizens used to say they had freedom of 
speech, too, because they were allowed to say anything they 
actually wanted to say.   You are saying here that you have 
never heard all the screams of "You Are a Nazi Who Wants to 
Kill Six Million Jews" at anyone who disagrees with 
establishment racial doctrine.  Can you actually imagine a 
pro-white speech, a speech expressing concern about the white 
race being overwhelmed, being part of a campus dialogue.
    You think speech is free becaiuse people are allowed tos ay 
everything about race you feel they should be able to say.


 and I challenge you to
>refute my analysis or come up with a better one. I doubt you will be able
>to, because mine is the version of history that comes closest to the
>truth.
>
>>     Of course it's nonsense.  Colonialism does not give 
>> non-whites an excuse to overrun whitey.
>
>'Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.' 'As ye sow, so shall
>ye reap.' I could continue...

   You certainly could, and you usually do.  You are saying 
that the white race must be destroyed for its evil.  Being 
white and not a traitor-clone, I disagree.
   While we're discussing guilt, what about the reward whites 
should get for being the only race in history to free its 
slaves(whites abolished slavery in non-white countries).  What 
is our reward for getting the worms our of your childrens' 
stomaches, ending smallpox, and a thousand other things.   
Would you really like to live in a world without white 
accomplishments?
    You want what whitey's got, and guilt is the only way to 
get it. 


  It's amazing how some people lack both an
>understanding of causal chains and a sense of historical perspective.   

     I just pointed out the positive historical perspective on 
whites you would never think of on your own, and you won't 
address now.   Try to think a little outside of the standard 
drill.


>"Just because our great grandparents brought these people here in chains
>three  and a half centuries ago, ruthlessly exploited them, and then threw
>them out in the world to fend for themselves a century and a half ago,
>shouldn't mean that I have to deal with the consequences." "Just because
>our great great great grandparents stole 45% of Mexico's territory in
>their greed to achieve 'manifest Destiny', but didn't have enough people
>to settle it or work it to its full potential (had to import 'em from
>Europe, China, and Japan), doesn't mean that today's Mexicans should have
>the right to leave the unemployement and poverty of their own overcrowded
>country and try to find work in the South West, where semi-skilled and
>agricultural jobs that 'Anglos' don't want to do are available in
>abundance."

   Exactly.  We don't owe you a damned thing.



>
>Colonialism was motivated by the desire on the part of Europeans to better
>their lot by gaining access to and exploiting resources they did not have
>in their ancestral homelands by hornswoggling them from people they
>considered gullible or inferior: it was a cynical form of economic migration
>spiced with slavery and genocide. Some people in the third world regard
>the first world as being at least to some degree the result of the
>resources and manpower usurped from their ancestors, their economic
>migration is motivated by their desiure to have a piece of what can be
>justifiably argued was built using resources and manpower which are
>partially their birthright.



   Everybody feels like they deserve everything someone else 
has.


>
>But let's be generous and, forgetting about colonialism, concetrate on the
>synchronic state of the world, with no consideratiion given to how
>it got to be the way it is. The CIA World Book of Facts, available at URL: 

    Forget your generosity, no decent white person wants it.

>
>http://www.odci.gov/cis/publications/95/fact/index.html,
>
>provided me with the following information about 'black countries' that
>have 'significant (=>1%) white minoritie'. I define 'black country' as a
>country with a reported 'black' population in excess of 50%:
>
>Country          percent white
>------------------------------
>Angola              1%
>
>Bahamas            15%
>Bermuda            39%

>Botswana            1%
>
>Cape Verde          1%
>Cuba               37%
>
>Djibouti approx.    5%
>
>French Guiana      12%
>
>Haiti              <5%
>
>Jamaica             3%
>
>Namibia             7%
>Neth. Antilles    <15%
>
>Senegal             1%
>South Africa       14%
>
>Tanzania            1%
>
>Zambia              1%
>Zimbabwe            1%


   Zimbabwe was over 4% white when I lived there and it was 
Rhodesia.

   What a pathetic charade!   This is a tiny portion of the 
world's blacks, and a bare touch of non-blacks there.  You want 
every white majority country "diversified", ie, made brown.  
Anyone who can see any comparison is not worth talking to.


>
>
>
>The former French colonies of Congo, Ivory Coast, and the Central African
>Republic, as well as Kenya, Ghana, Uganda and Zaire were noted to have
>white populations ranging between 30,000 and 500,000, not enough to be
>significant in the sense given above, but large enough to be visible and
>carry some societal clout.

    Screw societal clout.  I am talking about genocide.



>
>>     Tiny white populations in nonwhite countries...
>
>One percent of a population is no longer 'tiny', particularly if they, as
>was  the case in Zimbabwe and South Africa until quite recently, hold
>that a disproportionate amount of the national wealth belongs to them by
>virtue of 'white privilege'.
>
>> compare in no 
>> way in numbers or birth rate with the pumping in of nonwhites 
>> to white majority countries you folks insist on.
>
>Who's doing any insisting? People migrate for a variety of reasons. There
>are Europeans who migrate to third world countries in search of a better
>or more interesting future. Why should the same right be denied outright
>to people born in third world countries? (Note that I'm *not* arguing for
>uncontrolled immigration). The native populations of the Americas, Africa
>and Oceania were, for the most part, willing to accept European economic
>migrants and refugees (= colonialists)  as neighbors until these settlers
>started to invoke 'white privilege' as a justification for confiscating
>their land, massacring them, and, in many cases, transforming their
>ancient homelands into 'white majority countries'.



    We're back to the "I want what you got" theme.  Damn few 
whites want to go into non-white lands, and hundreds of 
millions of non-hites want to go into white lands.  Do you 
really think anyone is not aware of the difference?



 Argentina, Australia,
>Canada, New Zealand, and the United States offer perhaps the best examples
>of this scenario. Luckily, few can or desire to equal the Europeans when
>it comes to genocidal savagery, ethnocentric arrogance, or iniquitous
>avarice.


    You're back on your "Whitey must be punished!   So gimme!" 
line.  As usual, you spend half your time saying it and half 
your time denying you say it.



>
>>      The essence of establishment doctrine is that whites must 
>> accept that whitey must go.   
>
>'Whitey' must accept that people are bound together and form groupings on
>the basis of things much more significant than some ill-defined intangible
>as 'race'. Not too long ago, it was religion, in today's world it's shared
>economic interest. Tomorrow it could be something else, but I doubt if it
>will ever be shared skin color, hair texture, sweat gland configuration,
>earwax texture, or urine chemistry. You, Mr. Whitiker, have not been even
>close to success in producing a satisfactory definition of 'white' even
>if, as your nemesis, Ms. Finsten, never tires of pointing out, it would be
>damned important if laws were to be passed limiting certain privileges,
>including the right to
>live where one wishes, only to 'whites'.


      PLEASE NOTE THERE WERE NO QUOTATION MARKS AROUND "WHITE" 
WHEN YOU WERE CONDEMNING US ABOVE.  ONLY THE INTOLERABLE IDEA 
OF WHITE SURVIVAL BRINGS OUT YOUR QUOTATION MARKS!!!





 I'm sure that you are aware of
>the fact that one of the reasons apartheid fell in South Africa was its
>own impossibility: since there was no air-tight way of defining the racial
>groups, siblings could be given different racial classifications and thus
>very different starting points in life.


   Actually, South Africa under apartheid was the only livable 
country in Africa.  You know, but you will never voluntarily 
say, that one problem the Republic had was large-scale illegal 
black immigration from those wonderful free paradises north of 
them.
   You people used to talk about how great Africa would  be 
once it was independent.  You don't talk about that, nor does 
the press ask what happened to all that talk.
   I think South Africa is on its way down the toilet, and you 
will be as silent about it in ten years as you are now about 
those wonderful independent countries you were once so proud of 
to the north of the Republic.




 Stomach-patting definitions like



   I repeat the point you never address: you always know who 
whites are when you want what they got, nad you demand on the 
basis of white sin.



>'everybody knows who's white and who isn't' won't cut it when the stakes
>are as important as a privileged or marginalized status in society, not to
>mention the right to be an economic migrant if one's native society does
>not offer the chances for success or happiness.
>
>> It's called genocide, and all 
>> this talk aside, that's the point.
>> >
>
>Utter claptrap. It's called globalization


    Like "diversity", your "globalization" only applies to 
majority-white countries.  No one expects the Mongoloid race to 
go under under a tide of non-Mongoloid immigrants into Asia, or 
Africa to change colors.  Your final solution, which you cal 
diversity or globalization or some other code word, is your 
final solution to the white problem.


 and is the inevitable result of
>transnational interaction and the development of a world economy.
>Structures such as alliances, nations, peoples, and races are the
>historical results of specific sets of conditions, with an element of
>chance thrown in. Those that are unable to withstand the challenges of the
>future will fade away, with new, more viable structures replacing them. No
>sane person would claim that dinosaurs were the victims of genocide. Your
>great-great-great-great grandchildren might be brown-skinned and speak
>Japanese, but they'll still be your great-great-great-great grandchildren.
>
>We have spoken. 
>
>
>Eugene the Curly-headed
>King of alt.politics.white-power, Protector of our Aryan heritage,
>Defender of the English language, etc. etc. etc.




From bwhit@conterra.com Sat Aug 24 14:11:17 PDT 1996
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    THE ANTI-GUN GROUP HAS GOTTEN US OFF THE REAL POINT!
    
    What is important is that a year ago the anti-gun crowd was 
screaming that right to carry concealed weapons laws would make 
a state "just like Dodge City", that there would be "slaughter 
in the streets".
    Now they are reduced to arguing that the drop in crime was 
not actually the result of CCW laws.
    The press, of course, has dutifully forgotten all those 
anti-gun shrieks from their side.   But we should not do the 
same thing.
     Never deal with this study without reminding the anti-gun 
crowd of their hysterical screams a year or so ago and what 
they are arguing now: that CCW is not actually responsible for 
a REDUCTION in crime.
     Let's not help the anti-gunners and the media cocer their 
tracks!
      Remind them!
     They'll hate it and they'll bitch about how 
unintellectual we are and how bored they are( as if we aren't 
bored hearing their cliches the thousandth time), but let 'em 
have it, and let 'em have it again!



From bwhit@conterra.com Sat Aug 24 15:04:09 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.usa.republican,talk.politics.guns,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: That new gun study
Date: 24 Aug 1996 17:11:52 GMT
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    THE ANTI-GUN GROUP HAS GOTTEN US OFF THE REAL POINT!
    
    What is important is that a year ago the anti-gun crowd was 
screaming that right to carry concealed weapons laws would make 
a state "just like Dodge City", that there would be "slaughter 
in the streets".
    Now they are reduced to arguing that the drop in crime was 
not actually the result of CCW laws.
    The press, of course, has dutifully forgotten all those 
anti-gun shrieks from their side.   But we should not do the 
same thing.
     Never deal with this study without reminding the anti-gun 
crowd of their hysterical screams a year or so ago and what 
they are arguing now: that CCW is not actually responsible for 
a REDUCTION in crime.
     Let's not help the anti-gunners and the media cocer their 
tracks!
      Remind them!
     They'll hate it and they'll bitch about how 
unintellectual we are and how bored they are( as if we aren't 
bored hearing their cliches the thousandth time), but let 'em 
have it, and let 'em have it again!



From bwhit@conterra.com Sat Aug 24 15:57:09 PDT 1996
Article: 59582 of alt.revisionism
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From: bob whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Anti-anti-semitism
Date: 24 Aug 1996 17:22:19 GMT
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Marty Kelley  wrote:
>On 21 Aug 1996, Kurt Stele wrote:
>
>> Chuck Ferree  wrote:
>> 
>> >Yes there are bigots and fanatics among Jews. Why not. They are people 
>> >too. 
>> 
>> Yes jews are people too.  And people make mistakes.  Yet for some reason
>> the jews consider themselves above criticism.
>> 
>> Criticizing jews in any way in known as "anti-semitism."  
>
>Really?  I've given C's, D's, and even F's to students of all cultural
>backgrounds in my writing classes, including Jews, but I've never been
>called antisemitic. And my comments on those papers tend to be pretty
>critical.
>
>Oh...but I don't criticize Jews just for being Jews, which you seem to
>think is pretty neat. 
>
>> If the jews are indeed people like anyone else then they should be
>> criticized like anyone else. Criticism is justified when jews do bad
>> things against other peoples , like when they commit brutality against
>> Palestinians and tell tall tales (e.g., the Holohoax) to extort money from
>> the Europeans, or when they further policies like third-world immigration
>> and race-mixing that endangers and will ultimately destroy the White race.
>
>Mercy me, Mr. Stele, I can't for the life of me understand why anyone
>would call you an antisemite.  Such an injustice you must put up with.
>
>> This never-ending hypocrisy, which bespeaks an unmistakable arrogance and
>> supremacism, creates and always has created deep resentment within the
>> jew's host peoples.
>
>Could you please explain what "the Jew's host peoples" means? 
>
>> Thus begins the age-old cycle of anti-semitism.
>
>Ain't blaming the victim fun, Mr. Stele? And it's so EASY.  
>
>> The jews will not and never have permitted the "goy" to criticize -them-
>> yet the jews criticize, dominate, exploit, and displace the natural values
>> of the nations which they inhabit. 
>
>Uh...such as?
>
>> Despite the fact that jews are people too and people make mistakes, one
>> still is not permitted to direct legitimate criticism towards jews without
>> being branded an "anti-semite." If the jews would only play by the same
>> rules and allow themselves to be criticized in the same way they criticize
>> everyone else then anti-semitism would probably be greatly reduced.  Jews
>> could spare themselves much of the hatred that they themselves create
>> within the populations of their host nations if they would only heed that
>> advice.  But they cannot.  It is against their nature.
>
>Again, I am shocked, SHOCKED that anyone could think of you as an
>anti-semite, Mr. Stele.  You obviously have such an objective, clearheaded
>view of the world.
>
>----------------------
>Marty Kelley  (mkelley@U.Arizona.EDU)   
>
> "Without the First Amendment, Hitler. With the First 
>Amendment, David Duke."
>			--Dennis Miller 
>

   
    What the man is saying is that you say that anyone who 
crticizes Jews is a Nazi Who Wants To Kill Six Million Jews.
    What you are saying is that he criticizes Jews, and is 
thereffore a Nazi Who Wants to Kill Six Million Jews.
     Right?



From bwhit@conterra.com Sun Aug 25 09:51:48 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Anti-anti-semitism
Date: 24 Aug 1996 17:25:05 GMT
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miasaura@ccnis.net (Annie Alpert) wrote:
>>Kurt Stele wrote:
>>> Criticizing jews in any way in known as "anti-semitism."
>
>No, dear.  Hating people because they are Jewish is 
>anti-Semitism.  
>-- 
>Nizkor (USA) - An Electronic Holocaust Educational Resource
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From bwhit@conterra.com Sun Aug 25 13:11:14 PDT 1996
Article: 27733 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bob whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.flame.niggers,uk.misc,alt.conservatism,alt.politics.nationalism.white
Subject: Re: European Year of Racial Equality
Date: 25 Aug 1996 00:32:34 GMT
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lindsay@sol.co.uk (Baker Street) wrote:
>On Fri, 23 Aug 1996 20:25:50 GMT, in uk.misc
>adruid@netdoor.com (dannie hawkins) wrote:
>
>>>dam@kerrera.dcs.ac.uk (The Nit Nurse) wrote:
>>>1997 has been designated European Year of Racial Equality.
>>>Bet that'll please Dunky-boy and his fellow yahoos.
>>
>>Well... that's the way the =oneness stoogies= do things... they make
>>declarations, issue proclamations etc... and then proceed to believe
>>they've actually accomplished a great thing.
>>
>>Unfortunately that's the way their pitifully shallow minds work... and
>>you were stupid to post the above, exposing your own shallowness.
>>Learn to keep your mount shut and no one will notice.   
>
>
>Two of them ? - With the same bait ?   Hell, I'm impressed.
>
>(I'll pass on the "keep your mount shut" typo this time.)  :-)
>
>
>
>LINZ

     This Year of Racial Equality crap reminds me of the otehr 
good old European fatherings -- Stalin's and Hitler's.  All the 
 current ruling group's Good Boys go out and bravely march for 
the only opinin that's legal.



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From: bob whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.discrimination,alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white
Subject: Re: The White Man's Long Struggle Not To Be Laughed At
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WHERE ARE THE QUOTES AROUND "WHITE" HERE?



From bwhit@conterra.com Sun Aug 25 13:11:16 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination,alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.fan.ernst-zundel
Subject: Re: Racist Education 3: On the College Campus
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rcgraves@ix.netcom.com (Rich Graves) wrote:
>pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu (Philip Kasiecki) writes:
>>Rich Graves (rcgraves@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
>>: Bigoted behavior among white students also comes as a reaction to the
>>: more assertive attitudes of some black classmates. To describe the 
>>: interchange this way is not meant to justify white calumnies. Still,
>>: if we want to know why students put up Confederate flags or set fire 
>>: to crosses, one explanation is that these are ways of telling black 
>>: undergraduates that they have been making themselves too pronounced 
>>: a campus presence. While no one says so explicitly, many white
>>: students still believe that blacks should be grateful simply for 
>>: having been admitted, and that they have no business criticizing the 
>>: structure or the system.
>>
>>    Let me also add that many White students ASSume that Black students
>>got into college because of Affirmative Action.
>
>What? Are you suggesting that some black people might actually be smart?
>Next you'll be telling us about that equality shit.
>
>>: From Andrew Hacker, *Two Nations: black and white, separate, hostile,
>>: unequal*. New York: Ballantine, 1992.
>>
>>    I've heard of that book before, and may give it a read someday. 
>>Good post thought.
>
>Thanks. I should probably explain what I was doing for people who only
>read the white-power groups.
>
>You see, this guy Duncan Coons, an occasional visitor to these parts, has
>been posting a series of "Anti-Racist Education" trolls to
>talk.politics.libertarian, alt.society.conservatism, etc. *All* the
>classic PC-backlash straw men have been well represented. I thought it
>might be interesting to ape his style with some more representative works
>from non-racists. I think Takaki and Hacker are the bee's knees.
>
>Reading books will usually give you a far better picture than picking a
>few outrageous quotes from the backlash rags. If these white power rangers
>actually took the time to read first-rate non-racist scholarship, as
>opposed to third-rate excesses carefully picked by their "leaders" as
>examples of what non-racists are like, they might realize that they're
>talking about human beings.

   This is great!   You think we are not constantly exposed to 
every bit of what you conider intelligent and novel anti-white 
thinking, at public expense, daily?
   We see everything you are talking about *ad nauseum*, all 
the way through school, courtesy the taxpayers.
    It is hilarious  that these clones think they have anything 
to say that we haven't heard a hundred times at our own 
expense.
>
>Obviously, we can't have that.
>
>-rich
> [blue-ribbon disclaimer: it's called sarcasm, son, SARCASM]
> censor the internet! http://www.stanford.edu/~llurch/potw2/
> boycott fadetoblack! http://www.fadetoblack.com/prquest.htm




From bwhit@conterra.com Sun Aug 25 13:13:37 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.society.conservatism,alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.white-powder.wolfgang-droege
Subject: Re: "Diversity" -- Anti-White Code Word
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rcgraves@ix.netcom.com (Rich Graves) wrote:
>Y Rapido  writes:
>>When a small group of people (let us say, an ETHNIC TRIBE, for example) 
>>wants to increase its power to manipulate large group of people, it is 
>>neccessary for them to cunningly introduce/promote/enocurage/create MORE
>>different groups of people and encourage, amplify and than exploit their 
>>differences -- in order to rule the entire country. 
>
>Dear Sir:
>
>While I agree with your analysis, I would like to take this opportunity to
>dissociate myself from those of you who claim to represent the "white"
>tribe. Most of us white folks find your divisive rhetoric disgusting.
>Anyway, I don't consider myself part of a "tribe"; few civilized people
>do. Obviously, you folks in alt.politics.white-power have a different
>world view.

   No one has accused you of not being deeply and honestly 
devoted to the browning of all white-majority countries.  
Traitors often have the zeal of converts, and you are indeed 
sincere.
   As you say, my world-view is very, very different.


>
>ObMN: My brother is moving from California to Minnesota this week. Yes,
>some people do travel in that direction. He says the two most frequently
>asked questions when he told recruiters he wanted to move to Minneapolis
>were "Are you kidding?" and "Why?" The latter is because his girlfriend
>misses her family and friends.
>
>-rich
> [blue-ribbon disclaimer: it's called sarcasm, son, SARCASM]
> censor the internet! http://www.stanford.edu/~llurch/potw2/
> boycott fadetoblack! http://www.fadetoblack.com/prquest.htm




From bwhit@conterra.com Sun Aug 25 13:13:38 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
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Subject: Re: Conflicts in White Nationalist thought, Mr. Strom?
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nobody@flame.alias.net (Anonymous) wrote:
>I believe that the new white nation you advocate should be a
>constitutional republic as the founders intended, not the total-
>itarian sham that is needed to enforce today's multiracial em-
>pire. I think you've stated that that is your intent. How-
>ever, I've noted that you have also advocated eugenics, assumedly
>to be conducted on the established white nation. By its nature,
>eugenics is coercive!
>If you do advocate such a program, please explain how it will
>be administered, and by whom, before all we diverse peoples of
>the European race sign on to your new America. If you don't, ac-
>cept my apologies for misinterpreting your posts.
>

    A general comment: In answer to your title, "A Conflict In 
White Nationalist Thought, Mr. Strom?"   I would say, "Of 
course."
    We are definitely not clones.
    In fact, this and related ng's should devote more 
discussion to this sort of discussion instead of dealing with 
the tired old anti-white clone stuff.



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atticus@mindspring.com (Andy Walton) wrote:
>In article <321E282A.4BCD@ix.netcom.com>, Kevin Alfred Strom
> wrote:
>
>  :No one capitalizes the word when describing the quality of incident or 
>  :reflected light, but I think it is just respectful to capitalize the 
>  :names of races and peoples, such as Black or Asian or White or Jewish. 
>  :Failing to capitalize them, I think, might be interpreted as a purposeful 
>  :expression of disrespect, something I would wish to avoid.
>
>One minor nit I'd pick with that -- white and black are colors, not races.
>Africans and Australian Aborigines are both black, but undoubtedly of
>different races. The appelation "white," similarly is a qualitative term,
>encompassing a lot of people who are arguably of different races.
>Ashkenazic Jews, for example, are pale-skinned enough to be "white," but,
>many would argue, not "White." 

    Can you imagine trying to make a rapid-fire, impassioned 
speech about anti-ashkenasmism?




>More specific ethnic terms, like Asian, Caucasian, or Navajo, I do capitalize.
>
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>   declaring us the nicest of the damned."      --They Might Be Giants
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From: bob whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: HAVE YOU EVER SEEN QUOTES AROUND "WHITE" WHEN CLONES ARE CONDEMNING  WHITES?
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   When I expresss my concern about the white race's future, 
the clones always say, "Welll, what is this so-called 'white" 
race anyway?"
    But when they are accusing the white race of being evil or 
exploitive or bigotted, you will never, never, never see any 
quotation marks around the word white.  We all know exactly 
what we are talking about.
    



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Rich Graves  wrote:
>Y Rapido wrote:
>> 
>> Rich Graves wrote:
>> >
>> > Y Rapido  writes:
>> > >When a small group of people (let us say, an ETHNIC TRIBE, for example)
>> > >wants to increase its power to manipulate large group of people, it is
>> > >neccessary for them to cunningly introduce/promote/enocurage/create
>> > >MORE different groups of people and encourage, amplify and than exploit
>> > >their differences -- in order to rule the entire country.
>> >
>> > Dear Sir:
>> >
>> > While I agree with your analysis, I would like to take this opportunity to
>> > dissociate myself from those of you who claim to represent the "white"
>> > tribe.
>> 
>> rapido:  I believe you have misunderstood my "hint".  I made a reference to
>> an "ethnic tribe"; perhaps a better reference would be a reffrence to
>> Oligarchy and their tools, which sometimes include certain "ethnic tribes".
>
>Oh. I see. You're talking about The Historical Enemy. Of course. The Elders.
>Mum's the word. Sometimes it's hard to keep those code words straight, you
>know; so sorry for that innocent little misunderstanding. Here silly old
>me thought you were criticizing the White Power Rangers, and it turns out
>you ARE one. How good of you to clear that up for me; I'd never have known.
>No wonder we "white" folks are the master race.
>
>For the inspiration for alt.politics.white-powder.wolfgang-droege, see:
>
> http://www.acsp.uic.edu/gangs/CTOC.htm
> http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/d/droege.wolfgang
>
>-rich


     In other words, anybody who fights anti-white "diversity" 
is a Nazi Who Wants To Kill Six Million Jews.
     Boy, you clones are original!



From bwhit@conterra.com Sun Aug 25 13:13:42 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination,alt.society.conservatism,alt.politics.libertarian,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Re: Anti-Racist Education 05: Semiotics of the Mac
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lupo.4@osu.edu (Ken Lupo) wrote:
>In article , rich@c2.org (Rich Graves) wrote:
>
>>
>>In article <4viv7r$7hk@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu>, jmrst32+@pitt.edu (James
>>M Rankin) wrote:
>>
>>[Spew from my "brother" deleted]
>>
>>> : George Graves
>>> 
>>> Excuse me, sir, but I wonder if it would be too much trouble to ask you to
>>> identify your socio-economic-ethnic-sexual-religious-political background,
>>> and perhaps job description, so that, in the future, we might follow up
>>> posts of yours with jokes and anecdotes offensive to those of your
>>> background.  After all, I'm sure that you belong to one of those groups 
>>> that have "made it, and [does not] feel sensitive about [your personal 
>>> background]."
>>
>>He's a racist loser. His background is alt.politics.white-power. Feel free
>>to post all your redneck and skinhead jokes -- in the appropriate forum,
>>which I doubt includes comp.sys.mac.advocacy.
>
>Just because you don't agree with him doesn't make him a racist.  Saying 
>somebody is something doesn't make it so.
>


lupo.4@osu.edu (Ken Lupo) wrote:
>In article , rich@c2.org (Rich Graves) wrote:
>
>>
>>In article <4viv7r$7hk@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu>, jmrst32+@pitt.edu (James
>>M Rankin) wrote:
>>
>>[Spew from my "brother" deleted]
>>
>>> : George Graves
>>> 
>>> Excuse me, sir, but I wonder if it would be too much trouble to ask you to
>>> identify your socio-economic-ethnic-sexual-religious-political background,
>>> and perhaps job description, so that, in the future, we might follow up
>>> posts of yours with jokes and anecdotes offensive to those of your
>>> background.  After all, I'm sure that you belong to one of those groups 
>>> that have "made it, and [does not] feel sensitive about [your personal 
>>> background]."
>>
>>He's a racist loser. His background is alt.politics.white-power. Feel free
>>to post all your redneck and skinhead jokes -- in the appropriate forum,
>>which I doubt includes comp.sys.mac.advocacy.
>
>Just because you don't agree with him doesn't make him a racist.  Saying 
>somebody is something doesn't make it so.
>
   You had better not disagree with these clones, or you will 
find yourself declared to be a Nazi Who Wants To Kill Six 
Million Jews.



From bwhit@conterra.com Sun Aug 25 13:13:43 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination,alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.fan.ernst-zundel
Subject: Re: Racist Education 3: On the College Campus
Date: 25 Aug 1996 16:50:44 GMT
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rcgraves@ix.netcom.com (Rich Graves) wrote:
>pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu (Philip Kasiecki) writes:
>>Rich Graves (rcgraves@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
>>: Bigoted behavior among white students also comes as a reaction to the
>>: more assertive attitudes of some black classmates. To describe the 
>>: interchange this way is not meant to justify white calumnies. Still,
>>: if we want to know why students put up Confederate flags or set fire 
>>: to crosses, one explanation is that these are ways of telling black 
>>: undergraduates that they have been making themselves too pronounced 
>>: a campus presence. While no one says so explicitly, many white
>>: students still believe that blacks should be grateful simply for 
>>: having been admitted, and that they have no business criticizing the 
>>: structure or the system.
>>
>>    Let me also add that many White students ASSume that Black students
>>got into college because of Affirmative Action.
>
>What? Are you suggesting that some black people might actually be smart?
>Next you'll be telling us about that equality shit.
>
>>: From Andrew Hacker, *Two Nations: black and white, separate, hostile,
>>: unequal*. New York: Ballantine, 1992.
>>
>>    I've heard of that book before, and may give it a read someday. 
>>Good post thought.
>
>Thanks. I should probably explain what I was doing for people who only
>read the white-power groups.
>
>You see, this guy Duncan Coons, an occasional visitor to these parts, has
>been posting a series of "Anti-Racist Education" trolls to
>talk.politics.libertarian, alt.society.conservatism, etc. *All* the
>classic PC-backlash straw men have been well represented. I thought it
>might be interesting to ape his style with some more representative works
>from non-racists. I think Takaki and Hacker are the bee's knees.
>
>Reading books will usually give you a far better picture than picking a
>few outrageous quotes from the backlash rags. If these white power rangers
>actually took the time to read first-rate non-racist scholarship, as
>opposed to third-rate excesses carefully picked by their "leaders" as
>examples of what non-racists are like, they might realize that they're
>talking about human beings.

   This is great!   You think we are not constantly exposed to 
every bit of what you conider intelligent and novel anti-white 
thinking, at public expense, daily?
   We see everything you are talking about *ad nauseum*, all 
the way through school, courtesy the taxpayers.
    It is hilarious  that these clones think they have anything 
to say that we haven't heard a hundred times at our own 
expense.
>
>Obviously, we can't have that.
>
>-rich
> [blue-ribbon disclaimer: it's called sarcasm, son, SARCASM]
> censor the internet! http://www.stanford.edu/~llurch/potw2/
> boycott fadetoblack! http://www.fadetoblack.com/prquest.htm




From bwhit@conterra.com Sun Aug 25 13:20:38 PDT 1996
Article: 81062 of alt.conspiracy
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From: bob whitaker 
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Subject: Re: ANY WHITE WHO OPPOSES OPEN BORDERS IS A NAZI WHO WANTS TO KILL SIX MILLION JEWS
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carl@netaxs.com (Carl Christensen) wrote:
>On 18 Aug 1996 18:33:06 GMT, bob whitaker  wrote:
>>          This bothers a lot of white people, though they are 
>>not allowed to say it because Poltically Correct types will 
>>scream "You're A Nazi, you want to kill six million Jews!"
>>           Apparently, according to *Twilight Zone: The Movie*, 
>>even saying this kind of thing in a bar is too public to rate 
>>less than a death penalty.
>
>Oh jumpin' jiminy, I think all Rod Serling / John Landis wanted to do
>is show people what it's like "if the shoe is on the other foot,"

   YOU ARE SAYING EXACTLY WHAT I SAID!
   A major proportion of the Asian population wants to move 
into a richer country.  A native of that country doesn't like 
it.  That would be normal reaction in most cases.
   But this native is white.  So "the shoe on the other foot" 
-- which means the *equivalent* -- is that he is killed by 
Nazis.  
   As a Politically Correct person, this strikes you as 
perfectly reasonable.  But all of us are not Politically 
Correct.




 not
>prescribing capital punishment for racism.  I suppose you would twist
>the helicopter accident that killed Vic Morrow and the two kids to be
>some kind of vengeance of god upon the Politically Correct?
>
>Twilight Zone always had a redemptive twist on things, and I believe
>the original scene that was cut out because of the accident was Vic
>Morrow (the racist character in the bar) rescuing the Vietnamese kids
>(thereby "redeeming" his character, not the "death penalty" you
>imply).
>
>Carl Christensen              /~~\_/~\        ,,,     For music fun in Windows
>E-mail: carl@netaxs.com      |  #=#==========#   |    download alcomp11.zip
>C/C++/Delphi/VB Consultant    \__/~\_/        ```     at a popular FTP site!
>        Catch my WWW page at -->  http://www.netaxs.com/~carl         




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carl@netaxs.com (Carl Christensen) wrote:
>On 18 Aug 1996 18:33:06 GMT, bob whitaker  wrote:
>>          This bothers a lot of white people, though they are 
>>not allowed to say it because Poltically Correct types will 
>>scream "You're A Nazi, you want to kill six million Jews!"
>>           Apparently, according to *Twilight Zone: The Movie*, 
>>even saying this kind of thing in a bar is too public to rate 
>>less than a death penalty.
>
>Oh jumpin' jiminy, I think all Rod Serling / John Landis wanted to do
>is show people what it's like "if the shoe is on the other foot,"

   YOU ARE SAYING EXACTLY WHAT I SAID!
   A major proportion of the Asian population wants to move 
into a richer country.  A native of that country doesn't like 
it.  That would be normal reaction in most cases.
   But this native is white.  So "the shoe on the other foot" 
-- which means the *equivalent* -- is that he is killed by 
Nazis.  
   As a Politically Correct person, this strikes you as 
perfectly reasonable.  But all of us are not Politically 
Correct.




 not
>prescribing capital punishment for racism.  I suppose you would twist
>the helicopter accident that killed Vic Morrow and the two kids to be
>some kind of vengeance of god upon the Politically Correct?
>
>Twilight Zone always had a redemptive twist on things, and I believe
>the original scene that was cut out because of the accident was Vic
>Morrow (the racist character in the bar) rescuing the Vietnamese kids
>(thereby "redeeming" his character, not the "death penalty" you
>imply).
>
>Carl Christensen              /~~\_/~\        ,,,     For music fun in Windows
>E-mail: carl@netaxs.com      |  #=#==========#   |    download alcomp11.zip
>C/C++/Delphi/VB Consultant    \__/~\_/        ```     at a popular FTP site!
>        Catch my WWW page at -->  http://www.netaxs.com/~carl         




From bwhit@conterra.com Sun Aug 25 18:23:52 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: "Diversity" -- Anti-White Code Word
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   Boy, you nasty little bastards couldn't stand the truth in 
th title, so you took out the "anti-"!
   



From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Aug 26 07:22:02 PDT 1996
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   "DIVERSITY IS AN ANTI-WHITE CODE WORD" IS THE TITLE OF THIS 
STRING, WHICH I STARTED.
   THESE CLONE CREEPS CAN'T STAND THE TRUTH, SO THEY EDIT IT 
OUT.
   SMALL AND SNEAKY, AND THEREFORE TYPICAL.



From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Aug 26 08:54:10 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
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Subject: Re: Conflicts in White Nationalist thought, Mr. Strom?
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joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) wrote:
>In article <32203971.2E0@ix.netcom.com> Kevin Alfred Strom  writes:
>
>>Actually, eugenics is the best and only answer, in the long term, to 
>>society's problems.
>
>And that pretty much says all one needs to know about Mr. Strom, neh?



     That makes him A Nazi Who Wants To Kill Six Million Jews, 
right?






>
>---------------------------------------------------------------
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From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Aug 26 09:05:35 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: the PC crowd says.....ANY WHITE WHO OPPOSES OPEN BORDERS IS A NAZI
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slaldin@chat.carleton.ca (Sam Laldin) wrote:
>bob whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
>> holman@elo.helsinki.fi (Eugene Holman) wrote:
>> >In article <4vd4um$9k5@molokini.conterra.com>, bob whitaker
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> 
>> >>     That's the standard drill.  It is, in fact, the only 
>> >> position allowed to be publically stated.
>> >
>> >I don't see anyone doing any 'allowing' or 'forbidding',
>
>>    Loyal Soviet citizens used to say they had freedom of 
>> speech, too, because they were allowed to say anything they 
>> actually wanted to say.   
>
>Bad example.  Of the 12 Soviets I met in Canada (during Cold War) and the
>23 Soviets I met in Europe (post-Cold War), only one would agree with what
>you said.  perhaps JGB is right, you do believe you can read minds... that
>or because you published a book believe you know all....
>
>> You are saying here that you have 
>> never heard all the screams of "You Are a Nazi Who Wants to 
>> Kill Six Million Jews" at anyone who disagrees with 
>> establishment racial doctrine.  
>
>Curious.  When the 'establishment racial doctrine' was against minorities,
>spec. blacks.... would _you_ be the clone?
>
>> Can you actually imagine a 
>> pro-white speech, a speech expressing concern about the white 
>> race being overwhelmed, being part of a campus dialogue.
>
>pre-1956?  Sure, just pick one.
>
>>     You think speech is free becaiuse people are allowed tos ay 
>> everything about race you feel they should be able to say.
>
>I actually agree with you... we don't really have free speech.  But don't
>confuse free-speech with hate-mongering.  The simple delineation is that
>hate-mongering provides no evidence to back its claims... which I believe
>many contend you are guilty of, and to which I must agree w.r.t. this ng. 
>However, I am attempting to locate a book you wrote which may shed provide
>this lost evidence.  If you would be so kind, could you post any books or
>theses you have published?  Thanks.
>
>> >and I challenge you to
>> >refute my analysis or come up with a better one. I doubt you will be able
>> >to, because mine is the version of history that comes closest to the
>> >truth.
>> >
>> >>     Of course it's nonsense.  Colonialism does not give 
>> >> non-whites an excuse to overrun whitey.
>> >
>> >'Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.' 'As ye sow, so shall
>> >ye reap.' I could continue...
>
>>    You certainly could, and you usually do.  You are saying 
>> that the white race must be destroyed for its evil.  Being 
>> white and not a traitor-clone, I disagree.
>
>You are disagreing (sp?) with an incorrect assumption.  To put it in
>another popularized format 'what goes around comes around'.  For more
>info.. read a bit of the karmic theory in Hindu Philosophy.  For further
>info, read the Upanishandic texts.

 
  Who gives a damn?   You are talking about Profound Words that 
Wise Men speak while their children die with worms in their 
guts, and of smallpox, malnutrition, vitamin deficiency and all 
the rest.
  You want non-whites to have what whites got, and this 
silly-ass yuppie crap helps justify it.


  
>
>>    While we're discussing guilt, what about the reward whites 
>> should get for being the only race in history to free its 
>> slaves(whites abolished slavery in non-white countries).  
>
>There is no reward for ending an injustice which one began.

WHITES INVENTED SLAVERY?
    God, you are such an ignoramus!





  It's like
>asking for a reward for returning something which was stolen.
>
>> What is our reward for getting the worms our of your childrens' 
>> stomaches, 
>
>huh?
>
>> ending smallpox, 
>
>if it was the entire 'white' world (racist and non-racist, selfish and
>unselfish without a single exeception) which was responsible for this then
>from myself,  thank-you 'white' world.  happy? 
>
>> and a thousand other things.
>
>list 1/10 of these 'thousand other things'.
>   
>> Would you really like to live in a world without white 
>> accomplishments?
>
>yeah.  because these accomplishments are not the necessary domain of
>'whites' but simply the necessary result of imformation.
>
>>     You want what whitey's got, and guilt is the only way to 
>> get it. 
>
>no, guilt is not the only means... just one of the non-violent means.  I'm
>sure the sentiments of other poster like Mr. Kasiecki (sorry, I'm sure I spelt
>you name wrong), Sister Kowlieski (ditto) and Ms. Finsten (wow.  I think I
>may be accurate this time) have not formed their beliefs based on guilt
>but on information and an open-mind.  I sincerely hope you try this _just
>one_ mr whitaker.  And as I said to Mr. Chenault, I do not use sarcasm
>unless I explicitly state otherwise.  Sarcasm usually brings a reaction of
>anger and so what is the point.
>
>>   It's amazing how some people lack both an
>> >understanding of causal chains and a sense of historical perspective.   
>
>>      I just pointed out the positive historical perspective on 
>> whites you would never think of on your own, and you won't 
>> address now.   
>
>I believe i just did.  As far as not thinking of it 'on your own'... why
>do you underestimate the intelligence the posters who are counter to your
>beliefs?  (and until a significant (not necessarily a majority) amount of
>evidence is produced to back your claims, they are only beliefs)
>
>> Try to think a little outside of the standard drill.
>
>the 'drill' is only conclusions drawn upon a significant amount of
>information.
>
>> >"Just because our great grandparents brought these people here in chains
>> >three  and a half centuries ago, ruthlessly exploited them, and then threw
>> >them out in the world to fend for themselves a century and a half ago,
>> >shouldn't mean that I have to deal with the consequences." "Just because
>> >our great great great grandparents stole 45% of Mexico's territory in
>> >their greed to achieve 'manifest Destiny', but didn't have enough people
>> >to settle it or work it to its full potential (had to import 'em from
>> >Europe, China, and Japan), doesn't mean that today's Mexicans should have
>> >the right to leave the unemployement and poverty of their own overcrowded
>> >country and try to find work in the South West, where semi-skilled and
>> >agricultural jobs that 'Anglos' don't want to do are available in
>> >abundance."

    
     First, you askl me not ot think you talk in standard 
srill, then y ou go on on the standard drill drone.

>
>>    Exactly.  We don't owe you a damned thing.
>
>no.  you don't.  but it sure makes people who believe that these acts are
>justified or inconsequential look... well... in your own words mr.
>whitaker.... evil.  what do you think?  what if non-whites committed these
>acts against you?  How anti-nonwhite would you be?  How much hate would be
>in your soul?  How would you react to this hate?

   

If I were nonwhite, I would love white traitors who are 
repeating the excuses to do away with whitey.
And to use the good Guilt-Edged Securities to get what whitey's 
got.




>
>
>> >
>> >Colonialism was motivated by the desire on the part of Europeans to better
>> >their lot by gaining access to and exploiting resources they did not have
>> >in their ancestral homelands by hornswoggling them from people they
>> >considered gullible or inferior: it was a cynical form of economic migration
>> >spiced with slavery and genocide. Some people in the third world regard
>> >the first world as being at least to some degree the result of the
>> >resources and manpower usurped from their ancestors, their economic
>> >migration is motivated by their desiure to have a piece of what can be
>> >justifiably argued was built using resources and manpower which are
>> >partially their birthright.
>
>
>
>>    Everybody feels like they deserve everything someone else 
>> has.

Repeat.  Half of what these two clones say is that they aren't 
saying they want what whitey's got and the other half is 
demanding whwat whitey's got, plus his disapearance form the 
face of the earth in payment for his Evil.


>
>your mind-reading skills are poor.  I don't feel like I deserve the riches
>of say, a Bill Gates.  Nor do I feel like I deserve the contempt felt by
>some towards you.  The only thing I feel like I deserve is the respect of
>those who call me a friend.  Nothing more.... well that and maybe a dog :)
>
>> >
>> >But let's be generous and, forgetting about colonialism, concetrate on the
>> >synchronic state of the world, with no consideratiion given to how
>> >it got to be the way it is. The CIA World Book of Facts, available at URL: 
>
>>     Forget your generosity, no decent white person wants it.
>
>with all due respect mr. whitaker, i don't believe you are every 'white'
>persons defintion of decent.  why do you close your eyes when you are
>given information counter to your beliefs?
>
>> >
>> >http://www.odci.gov/cis/publications/95/fact/index.html,
>> >
>> >provided me with the following information about 'black countries' that
>> >have 'significant (=>1%) white minoritie'. I define 'black country' as a
>> >country with a reported 'black' population in excess of 50%:
>> >
>> >Country          percent white
>> >------------------------------
>> >Angola              1%
>> >
>> >Bahamas            15%
>> >Bermuda            39%
>
>> >Botswana            1%
>> >
>> >Cape Verde          1%
>> >Cuba               37%
>> >
>> >Djibouti approx.    5%
>> >
>> >French Guiana      12%
>> >
>> >Haiti              <5%
>> >
>> >Jamaica             3%
>> >
>> >Namibia             7%
>> >Neth. Antilles    <15%
>> >
>> >Senegal             1%
>> >South Africa       14%
>> >
>> >Tanzania            1%
>> >
>> >Zambia              1%
>> >Zimbabwe            1%
>
>
>>    Zimbabwe was over 4% white when I lived there and it was 
>> Rhodesia.
>
>>    What a pathetic charade!   This is a tiny portion of the 
>> world's blacks, and a bare touch of non-blacks there.  You want 
>> every white majority country "diversified", ie, made brown.  
>
>wait a minute... i thought i (re: indian) was brown... and last time i
>checked, neither myself nor my ancestors were a result of a 'black and
>non-black' mix.
>
>> Anyone who can see any comparison is not worth talking to.
>
>eyes closed but mouth stays open (or more accurately, fingers remain active)
>i'm now forgoing the remainder of this post by mr. whitaker because he's
>given me yet another headache..... i must be masochistic or sumthin'  Why
>can't you just cite _anything_ which back your claims mr. whitaker?!?
>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >The former French colonies of Congo, Ivory Coast, and the Central African
>> >Republic, as well as Kenya, Ghana, Uganda and Zaire were noted to have
>> >white populations ranging between 30,000 and 500,000, not enough to be
>> >significant in the sense given above, but large enough to be visible and
>> >carry some societal clout.
>





>>     Screw societal clout.  I am talking about genocide.




>
>
>> >
>> >>     Tiny white populations in nonwhite countries...
>> >
>> >One percent of a population is no longer 'tiny', particularly if they, as
>> >was  the case in Zimbabwe and South Africa until quite recently, hold
>> >that a disproportionate amount of the national wealth belongs to them by
>> >virtue of 'white privilege'.
>> >
>> >> compare in no 
>> >> way in numbers or birth rate with the pumping in of nonwhites 
>> >> to white majority countries you folks insist on.
>> >
>> >Who's doing any insisting? People migrate for a variety of reasons. There
>> >are Europeans who migrate to third world countries in search of a better
>> >or more interesting future. Why should the same right be denied outright
>> >to people born in third world countries? (Note that I'm *not* arguing for
>> >uncontrolled immigration). The native populations of the Americas, Africa
>> >and Oceania were, for the most part, willing to accept European economic
>> >migrants and refugees (= colonialists)  as neighbors until these settlers
>> >started to invoke 'white privilege' as a justification for confiscating
>> >their land, massacring them, and, in many cases, transforming their
>> >ancient homelands into 'white majority countries'.
>
>
>
>>     We're back to the "I want what you got" theme.  Damn few 
>> whites want to go into non-white lands, and hundreds of 
>> millions of non-hites want to go into white lands.  Do you 
>> really think anyone is not aware of the difference?
>
>
>
>>  Argentina, Australia,
>> >Canada, New Zealand, and the United States offer perhaps the best examples
>> >of this scenario. Luckily, few can or desire to equal the Europeans when
>> >it comes to genocidal savagery, ethnocentric arrogance, or iniquitous
>> >avarice.
>
>
>




>     You're back on your "Whitey must be punished!   So gimme!" 
>> line.  As usual, you spend half your time saying it and half 
>> your time denying you say it.
>
>




>
>> >
>> >>      The essence of establishment doctrine is that whites must 
>> >> accept that whitey must go.   
>> >
>> >'Whitey' must accept that people are bound together and form groupings on
>> >the basis of things much more significant than some ill-defined intangible
>> >as 'race'. Not too long ago, it was religion, in today's world it's shared
>> >economic interest. Tomorrow it could be something else, but I doubt if it
>> >will ever be shared skin color, hair texture, sweat gland configuration,
>> >earwax texture, or urine chemistry. You, Mr. Whitiker, have not been even
>> >close to success in producing a satisfactory definition of 'white' even
>> >if, as your nemesis, Ms. Finsten, never tires of pointing out, it would be
>> >damned important if laws were to be passed limiting certain privileges,
>> >including the right to
>> >live where one wishes, only to 'whites'.
>




>
>>       PLEASE NOTE THERE WERE NO QUOTATION MARKS AROUND "WHITE" 
>> WHEN YOU WERE CONDEMNING US ABOVE.  ONLY THE INTOLERABLE IDEA 
>> OF WHITE SURVIVAL BRINGS OUT YOUR QUOTATION MARKS!!!
>




REPEAT! you clones never address this!






>
>
>
>>  I'm sure that you are aware of
>> >the fact that one of the reasons apartheid fell in South Africa was its
>> >own impossibility: since there was no air-tight way of defining the racial
>> >groups, siblings could be given different racial classifications and thus
>> >very different starting points in life.
>




>
>>    Actually, South Africa under apartheid was the only livable 
>> country in Africa.  You know, but you will never voluntarily 
>> say, that one problem the Republic had was large-scale illegal 
>> black immigration from those wonderful free paradises north of 
>> them.
>>    You people used to talk about how great Africa would  be 
>> once it was independent.  You don't talk about that, nor does 
>> the press ask what happened to all that talk.
>>    I think South Africa is on its way down the toilet, and you 
>> will be as silent about it in ten years as you are now about 
>> those wonderful independent countries you were once so proud of 
>> to the north of the Republic.
>
>
>




>
>>  Stomach-patting definitions like
>
>
>
>


>    I repeat the point you never address: you always know who 
>> whites are when you want what they got, and you demand on the 
>> basis of white sin.
>
>
>




>> >'everybody knows who's white and who isn't' won't cut it when the stakes
>> >are as important as a privileged or marginalized status in society, not to
>> >mention the right to be an economic migrant if one's native society does
>> >not offer the chances for success or happiness.
>> >
>> >> It's called genocide, and all 
>> >> this talk aside, that's the point.
>> >> >
>> >
>> >Utter claptrap. It's called globalization
>
>






>>     Like "diversity", your "globalization" only applies to 
>> majority-white countries.  No one expects the Mongoloid race to 
>> go under under a tide of non-Mongoloid immigrants into Asia, or 
>> Africa to change colors.  Your final solution, which you cal 
>> diversity or globalization or some other code word, is your 
>> final solution to the white problem.
>




>
>>  and is the inevitable result of
>> >transnational interaction and the development of a world economy.
>> >Structures such as alliances, nations, peoples, and races are the
>> >historical results of specific sets of conditions, with an element of
>> >chance thrown in. Those that are unable to withstand the challenges of the
>> >future will fade away, with new, more viable structures replacing them. No
>> >sane person would claim that dinosaurs were the victims of genocide. Your
>> >great-great-great-great grandchildren might be brown-skinned and speak
>> >Japanese, but they'll still be your great-great-great-great grandchildren.
>> >
>> >We have spoken. 
>> >
>> >
>> >Eugene the Curly-headed
>> >King of alt.politics.white-power, Protector of our Aryan heritage,
>> >Defender of the English language, etc. etc. etc.
>
>
>
>
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>+++ All Power to All People +++
>
>" Last night they relieved me of all my sorrows
>  In the darkness they gave me the water of life."
>----------------------------------------------------------------------




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From: bob whitaker 
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joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) wrote:
>In article <32203971.2E0@ix.netcom.com> Kevin Alfred Strom  writes:
>
>>Actually, eugenics is the best and only answer, in the long term, to 
>>society's problems.
>
>And that pretty much says all one needs to know about Mr. Strom, neh?



     That makes him A Nazi Who Wants To Kill Six Million Jews, 
right?






>
>---------------------------------------------------------------
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From: bob whitaker 
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Subject: Re: to the whitaker clones
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Richard Dunsheath  wrote:
>bob whitaker wrote:
>> >> (Sujay Patel) wrote:
>> >> > S. Patel
>> 
>>      I LOVE THIS!
>>      Here is an American Indian who is not doing the usual
>> crying for himself he is supposed to be doing(according to
>> clone theology, that is what Native Americans exist for), but
>> just standing up and saying the good old American word,
>> "Bullshit!"
>
>Hey Bob, this guy is a Patel.
>
>You know, the family from India that owns all the motels.
>
>He is not a Native American, he is an American from India.
>
>Get it?
>
>BTW how do you define white?
>
>-- 
>Regards,
>
>Rich
>   ***************************************************************
>There is in human nature generally more of the fool than of the wise.
>Bacon


     I'm very disappointed.
     I guess all we'll hear from American Indians is the One 
Long Snivel you clones love so much.



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pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu (Philip Kasiecki) wrote:
>Anonymous (nobody@REPLAY.COM) wrote:
>: pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu (Philip Kasiecki) wrote:
>: > Roger Healy OBC (qut@netcom.com) wrote:
>: > : [Followups-To: alt.flame]
>: > : In <4v8gpv$4ut@news-e2b.gnn.com> MisterV@gnn.com (Mister V) writes:
>: > : ! In article <4v6had$lku@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca> Carrey wrote:
>: > : ! >   Fuck University! There are two theories on the purpose for 
>: > : ! >getting a university education. On both accounts the universities 
>: > : ! >miserably fail.One theory, the ivory tower theory, holds that the 
>: > : ! >mission of universities is to open students up to new ideas and 
>: > : ! >feelings. In fact, all professors do is to spew left and right
>: > : ! >wing politically correct mantras 
>
>: > : ! But that's just the definition of Ivory tower.  Stop talking in
>: > : ! circles.
>
>: > : ! >for their mindless drone students to regurgitate while writing final
>: > : ! >exams. You could learn a lot more about new ideas and life by 
>: > : ! >travelling around or getting involved in the local community.
>
>: > : ! That's called "being a student".  Or did you think you were going
>: > : ! to see the world by getting a job at Circle-K?
>
>: >     *snicker*
>
>: > : ! >   The second theory is that Universities are job mills to prepare 
>: > : ! >students for the job market. They have failed dismally in that 
>: > : ! >function as well. 
>
>: > : ! Speak for yourself.
>
>: >     Thank you.
>
>: > : ! >How many countless education students, engineers and law students 
>: > : ! >can't find employment in their positions. Yet, every year the assail
>: > : ! >the young entering students with disingenuous statistics about their
>: > : ! >bright future ahead. The most intelligent students could make much 
>: > : ! >more money and have satisfying business careers if they just began 
>: > : ! >working after high school.
>
>: >     Don't be too sure.  The reason why the job market is as tough as it
>: > is is because of downsizing, for one thing.  And there are pretty
>: > incredible demands these days as well.
>
>: > : ! >-Just a view point from one student who has finally seen the light
>: > : ! >and the light is not coming from the University.
>
>: > : ! Having trouble getting admitted for the fall semester, eh?  Maybe
>: > : ! you could join the Navy.  That seems to meet all your criteria.  A
>: > : ! perfect fit!
>
>: > : Rednecks are the most intelligent ethnic group in the world.
>
>: >     Bullshit.
>
>: I don't see how you can argue with the tremendous success of the English
>: speaking white peoples of the world as opposed to the awesome failures of
>: the English speaking black peoples of this world.
>
>    What the fuck does this have to do with the above post?  I've kept the
>post up in its entirety so you can see how this statement has *nothing* to
>do with the post.
>
>: What actually has occurred speaks more to the reality of the situation
>: than your theories.  The blacks are just an unsuccessful lot.
>
>    By your logic, then you're just an unsuccessful person.  Sorry, but
>things in this world happen for a reason 999 times out of 1000.
>
>: So, in economic terms, they don't count. If they were smart like Jews and
>: Asians, they'd be millionaires by now. But they aren't, and their station
>: in life reflects their true potential.
>
>    You obviously don't know any Black people.


OH, BULLSHIT!
   That's swhat your Mommy professor told you to say about 
anybody who disagrees with him.
    Jesus, what a friggin' clone!





>
>         Phil "the cluelessness of some folks...it drives me bugfuck
>sometimes" Kasiecki
>
>--
>Philip T. Kasiecki
>Electrical and Computer Engineering
>Northeastern University Class of 1999




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From: bob whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.flame,alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Re: Fuck University
Date: 26 Aug 1996 03:49:31 GMT
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evil Beavis  wrote:
>Philip Kasiecki wrote:
>> 
>> Roger Healy OBC (qut@netcom.com) wrote:
>> : [Followups-To: alt.flame]
>> : In <4v8gpv$4ut@news-e2b.gnn.com> MisterV@gnn.com (Mister V) writes:
>> : ! In article <4v6had$lku@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca> Carrey wrote:
>> : ! >   Fuck University! There are two theories on the purpose for
>> : ! >getting a university education. On both accounts the universities
>> : ! >miserably fail.One theory, the ivory tower theory, holds that the
>> : ! >mission of universities is to open students up to new ideas and
>> : ! >feelings. In fact, all professors do is to spew left and right wing
>> : ! >politically correct mantras
>> 
>> : ! But that's just the definition of Ivory tower.  Stop talking in
>> : ! circles.
>> 
>> : ! >for their mindless drone students to regurgitate while writing final
>> : ! >exams. You could learn a lot more about new ideas and life by
>> : ! >travelling around or getting involved in the local community.
>> 
>> : ! That's called "being a student".  Or did you think you were going
>> : ! to see the world by getting a job at Circle-K?
>> 
>>     *snicker*
>> 
>> : ! >   The second theory is that Universities are job mills to prepare
>> : ! >students for the job market. They have failed dismally in that function
>> : ! >as well.
>> 
>> : ! Speak for yourself.
>> 
>>     Thank you.
>> 
>> : ! >How many countless education students, engineers and law students
>> : ! >can't find employment in their positions. Yet, every year the assail
>> : ! >the young entering students with disingenuous statistics about their
>> : ! >bright future ahead. The most intelligent students could make much
>> : ! >more money and have satisfying business careers if they just began
>> : ! >working after high school.
>> 
>>     Don't be too sure.  The reason why the job market is as tough as it
>> is is because of downsizing, for one thing.  And there are pretty
>> incredible demands these days as well.
>> 
>> : ! >-Just a view point from one student who has finally seen the light and
>> : ! >the light is not coming from the University.
>> 
>> : ! Having trouble getting admitted for the fall semester, eh?  Maybe you
>> : ! could join the Navy.  That seems to meet all your criteria.  A perfect
>> : ! fit!
>> 
>> : Rednecks are the most intelligent ethnic group in the world.
>> 
>>     Bullshit.
>> 
>>         Phil Kasiecki
>> 
>> --
>> Philip T. Kasiecki
>> Electrical and Computer Engineering
>> Northeastern University Class of 1999
>
>You know Philip, the poor boy above is a sad example of what happens to
>people falling thorugh the cracks of an already substandard American
>K-12 system!
>
>eB


    Oh, Lord, you weak-minded little PC freaks are back to 
reassuring each other again, eh?



From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Aug 26 09:10:20 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
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Subject: Re: the PC crowd says.....ANY WHITE WHO OPPOSES OPEN BORDERS IS A NAZI
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slaldin@chat.carleton.ca (Sam Laldin) wrote:
>bob whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
>> holman@elo.helsinki.fi (Eugene Holman) wrote:
>> >In article <4vd4um$9k5@molokini.conterra.com>, bob whitaker
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> 
>> >>     That's the standard drill.  It is, in fact, the only 
>> >> position allowed to be publically stated.
>> >
>> >I don't see anyone doing any 'allowing' or 'forbidding',
>
>>    Loyal Soviet citizens used to say they had freedom of 
>> speech, too, because they were allowed to say anything they 
>> actually wanted to say.   
>
>Bad example.  Of the 12 Soviets I met in Canada (during Cold War) and the
>23 Soviets I met in Europe (post-Cold War), only one would agree with what
>you said.  perhaps JGB is right, you do believe you can read minds... that
>or because you published a book believe you know all....
>
>> You are saying here that you have 
>> never heard all the screams of "You Are a Nazi Who Wants to 
>> Kill Six Million Jews" at anyone who disagrees with 
>> establishment racial doctrine.  
>
>Curious.  When the 'establishment racial doctrine' was against minorities,
>spec. blacks.... would _you_ be the clone?
>
>> Can you actually imagine a 
>> pro-white speech, a speech expressing concern about the white 
>> race being overwhelmed, being part of a campus dialogue.
>
>pre-1956?  Sure, just pick one.
>
>>     You think speech is free becaiuse people are allowed tos ay 
>> everything about race you feel they should be able to say.
>
>I actually agree with you... we don't really have free speech.  But don't
>confuse free-speech with hate-mongering.  The simple delineation is that
>hate-mongering provides no evidence to back its claims... which I believe
>many contend you are guilty of, and to which I must agree w.r.t. this ng. 
>However, I am attempting to locate a book you wrote which may shed provide
>this lost evidence.  If you would be so kind, could you post any books or
>theses you have published?  Thanks.
>
>> >and I challenge you to
>> >refute my analysis or come up with a better one. I doubt you will be able
>> >to, because mine is the version of history that comes closest to the
>> >truth.
>> >
>> >>     Of course it's nonsense.  Colonialism does not give 
>> >> non-whites an excuse to overrun whitey.
>> >
>> >'Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.' 'As ye sow, so shall
>> >ye reap.' I could continue...
>
>>    You certainly could, and you usually do.  You are saying 
>> that the white race must be destroyed for its evil.  Being 
>> white and not a traitor-clone, I disagree.
>
>You are disagreing (sp?) with an incorrect assumption.  To put it in
>another popularized format 'what goes around comes around'.  For more
>info.. read a bit of the karmic theory in Hindu Philosophy.  For further
>info, read the Upanishandic texts.

 
  Who gives a damn?   You are talking about Profound Words that 
Wise Men speak while their children die with worms in their 
guts, and of smallpox, malnutrition, vitamin deficiency and all 
the rest.
  You want non-whites to have what whites got, and this 
silly-ass yuppie crap helps justify it.


  
>
>>    While we're discussing guilt, what about the reward whites 
>> should get for being the only race in history to free its 
>> slaves(whites abolished slavery in non-white countries).  
>
>There is no reward for ending an injustice which one began.

WHITES INVENTED SLAVERY?
    God, you are such an ignoramus!





  It's like
>asking for a reward for returning something which was stolen.
>
>> What is our reward for getting the worms our of your childrens' 
>> stomaches, 
>
>huh?
>
>> ending smallpox, 
>
>if it was the entire 'white' world (racist and non-racist, selfish and
>unselfish without a single exeception) which was responsible for this then
>from myself,  thank-you 'white' world.  happy? 
>
>> and a thousand other things.
>
>list 1/10 of these 'thousand other things'.
>   
>> Would you really like to live in a world without white 
>> accomplishments?
>
>yeah.  because these accomplishments are not the necessary domain of
>'whites' but simply the necessary result of imformation.
>
>>     You want what whitey's got, and guilt is the only way to 
>> get it. 
>
>no, guilt is not the only means... just one of the non-violent means.  I'm
>sure the sentiments of other poster like Mr. Kasiecki (sorry, I'm sure I spelt
>you name wrong), Sister Kowlieski (ditto) and Ms. Finsten (wow.  I think I
>may be accurate this time) have not formed their beliefs based on guilt
>but on information and an open-mind.  I sincerely hope you try this _just
>one_ mr whitaker.  And as I said to Mr. Chenault, I do not use sarcasm
>unless I explicitly state otherwise.  Sarcasm usually brings a reaction of
>anger and so what is the point.
>
>>   It's amazing how some people lack both an
>> >understanding of causal chains and a sense of historical perspective.   
>
>>      I just pointed out the positive historical perspective on 
>> whites you would never think of on your own, and you won't 
>> address now.   
>
>I believe i just did.  As far as not thinking of it 'on your own'... why
>do you underestimate the intelligence the posters who are counter to your
>beliefs?  (and until a significant (not necessarily a majority) amount of
>evidence is produced to back your claims, they are only beliefs)
>
>> Try to think a little outside of the standard drill.
>
>the 'drill' is only conclusions drawn upon a significant amount of
>information.
>
>> >"Just because our great grandparents brought these people here in chains
>> >three  and a half centuries ago, ruthlessly exploited them, and then threw
>> >them out in the world to fend for themselves a century and a half ago,
>> >shouldn't mean that I have to deal with the consequences." "Just because
>> >our great great great grandparents stole 45% of Mexico's territory in
>> >their greed to achieve 'manifest Destiny', but didn't have enough people
>> >to settle it or work it to its full potential (had to import 'em from
>> >Europe, China, and Japan), doesn't mean that today's Mexicans should have
>> >the right to leave the unemployement and poverty of their own overcrowded
>> >country and try to find work in the South West, where semi-skilled and
>> >agricultural jobs that 'Anglos' don't want to do are available in
>> >abundance."

    
     First, you askl me not ot think you talk in standard 
srill, then y ou go on on the standard drill drone.

>
>>    Exactly.  We don't owe you a damned thing.
>
>no.  you don't.  but it sure makes people who believe that these acts are
>justified or inconsequential look... well... in your own words mr.
>whitaker.... evil.  what do you think?  what if non-whites committed these
>acts against you?  How anti-nonwhite would you be?  How much hate would be
>in your soul?  How would you react to this hate?

   

If I were nonwhite, I would love white traitors who are 
repeating the excuses to do away with whitey.
And to use the good Guilt-Edged Securities to get what whitey's 
got.




>
>
>> >
>> >Colonialism was motivated by the desire on the part of Europeans to better
>> >their lot by gaining access to and exploiting resources they did not have
>> >in their ancestral homelands by hornswoggling them from people they
>> >considered gullible or inferior: it was a cynical form of economic migration
>> >spiced with slavery and genocide. Some people in the third world regard
>> >the first world as being at least to some degree the result of the
>> >resources and manpower usurped from their ancestors, their economic
>> >migration is motivated by their desiure to have a piece of what can be
>> >justifiably argued was built using resources and manpower which are
>> >partially their birthright.
>
>
>
>>    Everybody feels like they deserve everything someone else 
>> has.

Repeat.  Half of what these two clones say is that they aren't 
saying they want what whitey's got and the other half is 
demanding whwat whitey's got, plus his disapearance form the 
face of the earth in payment for his Evil.


>
>your mind-reading skills are poor.  I don't feel like I deserve the riches
>of say, a Bill Gates.  Nor do I feel like I deserve the contempt felt by
>some towards you.  The only thing I feel like I deserve is the respect of
>those who call me a friend.  Nothing more.... well that and maybe a dog :)
>
>> >
>> >But let's be generous and, forgetting about colonialism, concetrate on the
>> >synchronic state of the world, with no consideratiion given to how
>> >it got to be the way it is. The CIA World Book of Facts, available at URL: 
>
>>     Forget your generosity, no decent white person wants it.
>
>with all due respect mr. whitaker, i don't believe you are every 'white'
>persons defintion of decent.  why do you close your eyes when you are
>given information counter to your beliefs?
>
>> >
>> >http://www.odci.gov/cis/publications/95/fact/index.html,
>> >
>> >provided me with the following information about 'black countries' that
>> >have 'significant (=>1%) white minoritie'. I define 'black country' as a
>> >country with a reported 'black' population in excess of 50%:
>> >
>> >Country          percent white
>> >------------------------------
>> >Angola              1%
>> >
>> >Bahamas            15%
>> >Bermuda            39%
>
>> >Botswana            1%
>> >
>> >Cape Verde          1%
>> >Cuba               37%
>> >
>> >Djibouti approx.    5%
>> >
>> >French Guiana      12%
>> >
>> >Haiti              <5%
>> >
>> >Jamaica             3%
>> >
>> >Namibia             7%
>> >Neth. Antilles    <15%
>> >
>> >Senegal             1%
>> >South Africa       14%
>> >
>> >Tanzania            1%
>> >
>> >Zambia              1%
>> >Zimbabwe            1%
>
>
>>    Zimbabwe was over 4% white when I lived there and it was 
>> Rhodesia.
>
>>    What a pathetic charade!   This is a tiny portion of the 
>> world's blacks, and a bare touch of non-blacks there.  You want 
>> every white majority country "diversified", ie, made brown.  
>
>wait a minute... i thought i (re: indian) was brown... and last time i
>checked, neither myself nor my ancestors were a result of a 'black and
>non-black' mix.
>
>> Anyone who can see any comparison is not worth talking to.
>
>eyes closed but mouth stays open (or more accurately, fingers remain active)
>i'm now forgoing the remainder of this post by mr. whitaker because he's
>given me yet another headache..... i must be masochistic or sumthin'  Why
>can't you just cite _anything_ which back your claims mr. whitaker?!?
>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >The former French colonies of Congo, Ivory Coast, and the Central African
>> >Republic, as well as Kenya, Ghana, Uganda and Zaire were noted to have
>> >white populations ranging between 30,000 and 500,000, not enough to be
>> >significant in the sense given above, but large enough to be visible and
>> >carry some societal clout.
>





>>     Screw societal clout.  I am talking about genocide.




>
>
>> >
>> >>     Tiny white populations in nonwhite countries...
>> >
>> >One percent of a population is no longer 'tiny', particularly if they, as
>> >was  the case in Zimbabwe and South Africa until quite recently, hold
>> >that a disproportionate amount of the national wealth belongs to them by
>> >virtue of 'white privilege'.
>> >
>> >> compare in no 
>> >> way in numbers or birth rate with the pumping in of nonwhites 
>> >> to white majority countries you folks insist on.
>> >
>> >Who's doing any insisting? People migrate for a variety of reasons. There
>> >are Europeans who migrate to third world countries in search of a better
>> >or more interesting future. Why should the same right be denied outright
>> >to people born in third world countries? (Note that I'm *not* arguing for
>> >uncontrolled immigration). The native populations of the Americas, Africa
>> >and Oceania were, for the most part, willing to accept European economic
>> >migrants and refugees (= colonialists)  as neighbors until these settlers
>> >started to invoke 'white privilege' as a justification for confiscating
>> >their land, massacring them, and, in many cases, transforming their
>> >ancient homelands into 'white majority countries'.
>
>
>
>>     We're back to the "I want what you got" theme.  Damn few 
>> whites want to go into non-white lands, and hundreds of 
>> millions of non-hites want to go into white lands.  Do you 
>> really think anyone is not aware of the difference?
>
>
>
>>  Argentina, Australia,
>> >Canada, New Zealand, and the United States offer perhaps the best examples
>> >of this scenario. Luckily, few can or desire to equal the Europeans when
>> >it comes to genocidal savagery, ethnocentric arrogance, or iniquitous
>> >avarice.
>
>
>




>     You're back on your "Whitey must be punished!   So gimme!" 
>> line.  As usual, you spend half your time saying it and half 
>> your time denying you say it.
>
>




>
>> >
>> >>      The essence of establishment doctrine is that whites must 
>> >> accept that whitey must go.   
>> >
>> >'Whitey' must accept that people are bound together and form groupings on
>> >the basis of things much more significant than some ill-defined intangible
>> >as 'race'. Not too long ago, it was religion, in today's world it's shared
>> >economic interest. Tomorrow it could be something else, but I doubt if it
>> >will ever be shared skin color, hair texture, sweat gland configuration,
>> >earwax texture, or urine chemistry. You, Mr. Whitiker, have not been even
>> >close to success in producing a satisfactory definition of 'white' even
>> >if, as your nemesis, Ms. Finsten, never tires of pointing out, it would be
>> >damned important if laws were to be passed limiting certain privileges,
>> >including the right to
>> >live where one wishes, only to 'whites'.
>




>
>>       PLEASE NOTE THERE WERE NO QUOTATION MARKS AROUND "WHITE" 
>> WHEN YOU WERE CONDEMNING US ABOVE.  ONLY THE INTOLERABLE IDEA 
>> OF WHITE SURVIVAL BRINGS OUT YOUR QUOTATION MARKS!!!
>




REPEAT! you clones never address this!






>
>
>
>>  I'm sure that you are aware of
>> >the fact that one of the reasons apartheid fell in South Africa was its
>> >own impossibility: since there was no air-tight way of defining the racial
>> >groups, siblings could be given different racial classifications and thus
>> >very different starting points in life.
>




>
>>    Actually, South Africa under apartheid was the only livable 
>> country in Africa.  You know, but you will never voluntarily 
>> say, that one problem the Republic had was large-scale illegal 
>> black immigration from those wonderful free paradises north of 
>> them.
>>    You people used to talk about how great Africa would  be 
>> once it was independent.  You don't talk about that, nor does 
>> the press ask what happened to all that talk.
>>    I think South Africa is on its way down the toilet, and you 
>> will be as silent about it in ten years as you are now about 
>> those wonderful independent countries you were once so proud of 
>> to the north of the Republic.
>
>
>




>
>>  Stomach-patting definitions like
>
>
>
>


>    I repeat the point you never address: you always know who 
>> whites are when you want what they got, and you demand on the 
>> basis of white sin.
>
>
>




>> >'everybody knows who's white and who isn't' won't cut it when the stakes
>> >are as important as a privileged or marginalized status in society, not to
>> >mention the right to be an economic migrant if one's native society does
>> >not offer the chances for success or happiness.
>> >
>> >> It's called genocide, and all 
>> >> this talk aside, that's the point.
>> >> >
>> >
>> >Utter claptrap. It's called globalization
>
>






>>     Like "diversity", your "globalization" only applies to 
>> majority-white countries.  No one expects the Mongoloid race to 
>> go under under a tide of non-Mongoloid immigrants into Asia, or 
>> Africa to change colors.  Your final solution, which you cal 
>> diversity or globalization or some other code word, is your 
>> final solution to the white problem.
>




>
>>  and is the inevitable result of
>> >transnational interaction and the development of a world economy.
>> >Structures such as alliances, nations, peoples, and races are the
>> >historical results of specific sets of conditions, with an element of
>> >chance thrown in. Those that are unable to withstand the challenges of the
>> >future will fade away, with new, more viable structures replacing them. No
>> >sane person would claim that dinosaurs were the victims of genocide. Your
>> >great-great-great-great grandchildren might be brown-skinned and speak
>> >Japanese, but they'll still be your great-great-great-great grandchildren.
>> >
>> >We have spoken. 
>> >
>> >
>> >Eugene the Curly-headed
>> >King of alt.politics.white-power, Protector of our Aryan heritage,
>> >Defender of the English language, etc. etc. etc.
>
>
>
>
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>+++ All Power to All People +++
>
>" Last night they relieved me of all my sorrows
>  In the darkness they gave me the water of life."
>----------------------------------------------------------------------




From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Aug 26 09:15:33 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
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rcgraves@ix.netcom.com (Rich Graves) wrote:
>pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu (Philip Kasiecki) writes:
>>Rich Graves (rcgraves@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
>>: Bigoted behavior among white students also comes as a reaction to the
>>: more assertive attitudes of some black classmates. To describe the 
>>: interchange this way is not meant to justify white calumnies. Still,
>>: if we want to know why students put up Confederate flags or set fire 
>>: to crosses, one explanation is that these are ways of telling black 
>>: undergraduates that they have been making themselves too pronounced 
>>: a campus presence. While no one says so explicitly, many white
>>: students still believe that blacks should be grateful simply for 
>>: having been admitted, and that they have no business criticizing the 
>>: structure or the system.
>>
>>    Let me also add that many White students ASSume that Black students
>>got into college because of Affirmative Action.
>
>What? Are you suggesting that some black people might actually be smart?
>Next you'll be telling us about that equality shit.
>
>>: From Andrew Hacker, *Two Nations: black and white, separate, hostile,
>>: unequal*. New York: Ballantine, 1992.
>>
>>    I've heard of that book before, and may give it a read someday. 
>>Good post thought.
>
>Thanks. I should probably explain what I was doing for people who only
>read the white-power groups.
>
>You see, this guy Duncan Coons, an occasional visitor to these parts, has
>been posting a series of "Anti-Racist Education" trolls to
>talk.politics.libertarian, alt.society.conservatism, etc. *All* the
>classic PC-backlash straw men have been well represented. I thought it
>might be interesting to ape his style with some more representative works
>from non-racists. I think Takaki and Hacker are the bee's knees.
>
>Reading books will usually give you a far better picture than picking a
>few outrageous quotes from the backlash rags. If these white power rangers
>actually took the time to read first-rate non-racist scholarship, as
>opposed to third-rate excesses carefully picked by their "leaders" as
>examples of what non-racists are like, they might realize that they're
>talking about human beings.

   This is great!   You think we are not constantly exposed to 
every bit of what you conider intelligent and novel anti-white 
thinking, at public expense, daily?
   We see everything you are talking about *ad nauseum*, all 
the way through school, courtesy the taxpayers.
    It is hilarious  that these clones think they have anything 
to say that we haven't heard a hundred times at our own 
expense.
>
>Obviously, we can't have that.
>
>-rich
> [blue-ribbon disclaimer: it's called sarcasm, son, SARCASM]
> censor the internet! http://www.stanford.edu/~llurch/potw2/
> boycott fadetoblack! http://www.fadetoblack.com/prquest.htm




From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Aug 26 13:59:46 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
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Subject: Re: the PC crowd says.....ANY WHITE WHO OPPOSES OPEN BORDERS IS A NAZI
Date: 26 Aug 1996 00:08:37 GMT
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slaldin@chat.carleton.ca (Sam Laldin) wrote:
>bob whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
>> holman@elo.helsinki.fi (Eugene Holman) wrote:
>> >In article <4vd4um$9k5@molokini.conterra.com>, bob whitaker
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> 
>> >>     That's the standard drill.  It is, in fact, the only 
>> >> position allowed to be publically stated.
>> >
>> >I don't see anyone doing any 'allowing' or 'forbidding',
>
>>    Loyal Soviet citizens used to say they had freedom of 
>> speech, too, because they were allowed to say anything they 
>> actually wanted to say.   
>
>Bad example.  Of the 12 Soviets I met in Canada (during Cold War) and the
>23 Soviets I met in Europe (post-Cold War), only one would agree with what
>you said.  perhaps JGB is right, you do believe you can read minds... that
>or because you published a book believe you know all....
>
>> You are saying here that you have 
>> never heard all the screams of "You Are a Nazi Who Wants to 
>> Kill Six Million Jews" at anyone who disagrees with 
>> establishment racial doctrine.  
>
>Curious.  When the 'establishment racial doctrine' was against minorities,
>spec. blacks.... would _you_ be the clone?
>
>> Can you actually imagine a 
>> pro-white speech, a speech expressing concern about the white 
>> race being overwhelmed, being part of a campus dialogue.
>
>pre-1956?  Sure, just pick one.
>
>>     You think speech is free becaiuse people are allowed tos ay 
>> everything about race you feel they should be able to say.
>
>I actually agree with you... we don't really have free speech.  But don't
>confuse free-speech with hate-mongering.  The simple delineation is that
>hate-mongering provides no evidence to back its claims... which I believe
>many contend you are guilty of, and to which I must agree w.r.t. this ng. 
>However, I am attempting to locate a book you wrote which may shed provide
>this lost evidence.  If you would be so kind, could you post any books or
>theses you have published?  Thanks.
>
>> >and I challenge you to
>> >refute my analysis or come up with a better one. I doubt you will be able
>> >to, because mine is the version of history that comes closest to the
>> >truth.
>> >
>> >>     Of course it's nonsense.  Colonialism does not give 
>> >> non-whites an excuse to overrun whitey.
>> >
>> >'Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.' 'As ye sow, so shall
>> >ye reap.' I could continue...
>
>>    You certainly could, and you usually do.  You are saying 
>> that the white race must be destroyed for its evil.  Being 
>> white and not a traitor-clone, I disagree.
>
>You are disagreing (sp?) with an incorrect assumption.  To put it in
>another popularized format 'what goes around comes around'.  For more
>info.. read a bit of the karmic theory in Hindu Philosophy.  For further
>info, read the Upanishandic texts.

 
  Who gives a damn?   You are talking about Profound Words that 
Wise Men speak while their children die with worms in their 
guts, and of smallpox, malnutrition, vitamin deficiency and all 
the rest.
  You want non-whites to have what whites got, and this 
silly-ass yuppie crap helps justify it.


  
>
>>    While we're discussing guilt, what about the reward whites 
>> should get for being the only race in history to free its 
>> slaves(whites abolished slavery in non-white countries).  
>
>There is no reward for ending an injustice which one began.

WHITES INVENTED SLAVERY?
    God, you are such an ignoramus!





  It's like
>asking for a reward for returning something which was stolen.
>
>> What is our reward for getting the worms our of your childrens' 
>> stomaches, 
>
>huh?
>
>> ending smallpox, 
>
>if it was the entire 'white' world (racist and non-racist, selfish and
>unselfish without a single exeception) which was responsible for this then
>from myself,  thank-you 'white' world.  happy? 
>
>> and a thousand other things.
>
>list 1/10 of these 'thousand other things'.
>   
>> Would you really like to live in a world without white 
>> accomplishments?
>
>yeah.  because these accomplishments are not the necessary domain of
>'whites' but simply the necessary result of imformation.
>
>>     You want what whitey's got, and guilt is the only way to 
>> get it. 
>
>no, guilt is not the only means... just one of the non-violent means.  I'm
>sure the sentiments of other poster like Mr. Kasiecki (sorry, I'm sure I spelt
>you name wrong), Sister Kowlieski (ditto) and Ms. Finsten (wow.  I think I
>may be accurate this time) have not formed their beliefs based on guilt
>but on information and an open-mind.  I sincerely hope you try this _just
>one_ mr whitaker.  And as I said to Mr. Chenault, I do not use sarcasm
>unless I explicitly state otherwise.  Sarcasm usually brings a reaction of
>anger and so what is the point.
>
>>   It's amazing how some people lack both an
>> >understanding of causal chains and a sense of historical perspective.   
>
>>      I just pointed out the positive historical perspective on 
>> whites you would never think of on your own, and you won't 
>> address now.   
>
>I believe i just did.  As far as not thinking of it 'on your own'... why
>do you underestimate the intelligence the posters who are counter to your
>beliefs?  (and until a significant (not necessarily a majority) amount of
>evidence is produced to back your claims, they are only beliefs)
>
>> Try to think a little outside of the standard drill.
>
>the 'drill' is only conclusions drawn upon a significant amount of
>information.
>
>> >"Just because our great grandparents brought these people here in chains
>> >three  and a half centuries ago, ruthlessly exploited them, and then threw
>> >them out in the world to fend for themselves a century and a half ago,
>> >shouldn't mean that I have to deal with the consequences." "Just because
>> >our great great great grandparents stole 45% of Mexico's territory in
>> >their greed to achieve 'manifest Destiny', but didn't have enough people
>> >to settle it or work it to its full potential (had to import 'em from
>> >Europe, China, and Japan), doesn't mean that today's Mexicans should have
>> >the right to leave the unemployement and poverty of their own overcrowded
>> >country and try to find work in the South West, where semi-skilled and
>> >agricultural jobs that 'Anglos' don't want to do are available in
>> >abundance."

    
     First, you askl me not ot think you talk in standard 
srill, then y ou go on on the standard drill drone.

>
>>    Exactly.  We don't owe you a damned thing.
>
>no.  you don't.  but it sure makes people who believe that these acts are
>justified or inconsequential look... well... in your own words mr.
>whitaker.... evil.  what do you think?  what if non-whites committed these
>acts against you?  How anti-nonwhite would you be?  How much hate would be
>in your soul?  How would you react to this hate?

   

If I were nonwhite, I would love white traitors who are 
repeating the excuses to do away with whitey.
And to use the good Guilt-Edged Securities to get what whitey's 
got.




>
>
>> >
>> >Colonialism was motivated by the desire on the part of Europeans to better
>> >their lot by gaining access to and exploiting resources they did not have
>> >in their ancestral homelands by hornswoggling them from people they
>> >considered gullible or inferior: it was a cynical form of economic migration
>> >spiced with slavery and genocide. Some people in the third world regard
>> >the first world as being at least to some degree the result of the
>> >resources and manpower usurped from their ancestors, their economic
>> >migration is motivated by their desiure to have a piece of what can be
>> >justifiably argued was built using resources and manpower which are
>> >partially their birthright.
>
>
>
>>    Everybody feels like they deserve everything someone else 
>> has.

Repeat.  Half of what these two clones say is that they aren't 
saying they want what whitey's got and the other half is 
demanding whwat whitey's got, plus his disapearance form the 
face of the earth in payment for his Evil.


>
>your mind-reading skills are poor.  I don't feel like I deserve the riches
>of say, a Bill Gates.  Nor do I feel like I deserve the contempt felt by
>some towards you.  The only thing I feel like I deserve is the respect of
>those who call me a friend.  Nothing more.... well that and maybe a dog :)
>
>> >
>> >But let's be generous and, forgetting about colonialism, concetrate on the
>> >synchronic state of the world, with no consideratiion given to how
>> >it got to be the way it is. The CIA World Book of Facts, available at URL: 
>
>>     Forget your generosity, no decent white person wants it.
>
>with all due respect mr. whitaker, i don't believe you are every 'white'
>persons defintion of decent.  why do you close your eyes when you are
>given information counter to your beliefs?
>
>> >
>> >http://www.odci.gov/cis/publications/95/fact/index.html,
>> >
>> >provided me with the following information about 'black countries' that
>> >have 'significant (=>1%) white minoritie'. I define 'black country' as a
>> >country with a reported 'black' population in excess of 50%:
>> >
>> >Country          percent white
>> >------------------------------
>> >Angola              1%
>> >
>> >Bahamas            15%
>> >Bermuda            39%
>
>> >Botswana            1%
>> >
>> >Cape Verde          1%
>> >Cuba               37%
>> >
>> >Djibouti approx.    5%
>> >
>> >French Guiana      12%
>> >
>> >Haiti              <5%
>> >
>> >Jamaica             3%
>> >
>> >Namibia             7%
>> >Neth. Antilles    <15%
>> >
>> >Senegal             1%
>> >South Africa       14%
>> >
>> >Tanzania            1%
>> >
>> >Zambia              1%
>> >Zimbabwe            1%
>
>
>>    Zimbabwe was over 4% white when I lived there and it was 
>> Rhodesia.
>
>>    What a pathetic charade!   This is a tiny portion of the 
>> world's blacks, and a bare touch of non-blacks there.  You want 
>> every white majority country "diversified", ie, made brown.  
>
>wait a minute... i thought i (re: indian) was brown... and last time i
>checked, neither myself nor my ancestors were a result of a 'black and
>non-black' mix.
>
>> Anyone who can see any comparison is not worth talking to.
>
>eyes closed but mouth stays open (or more accurately, fingers remain active)
>i'm now forgoing the remainder of this post by mr. whitaker because he's
>given me yet another headache..... i must be masochistic or sumthin'  Why
>can't you just cite _anything_ which back your claims mr. whitaker?!?
>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >The former French colonies of Congo, Ivory Coast, and the Central African
>> >Republic, as well as Kenya, Ghana, Uganda and Zaire were noted to have
>> >white populations ranging between 30,000 and 500,000, not enough to be
>> >significant in the sense given above, but large enough to be visible and
>> >carry some societal clout.
>





>>     Screw societal clout.  I am talking about genocide.




>
>
>> >
>> >>     Tiny white populations in nonwhite countries...
>> >
>> >One percent of a population is no longer 'tiny', particularly if they, as
>> >was  the case in Zimbabwe and South Africa until quite recently, hold
>> >that a disproportionate amount of the national wealth belongs to them by
>> >virtue of 'white privilege'.
>> >
>> >> compare in no 
>> >> way in numbers or birth rate with the pumping in of nonwhites 
>> >> to white majority countries you folks insist on.
>> >
>> >Who's doing any insisting? People migrate for a variety of reasons. There
>> >are Europeans who migrate to third world countries in search of a better
>> >or more interesting future. Why should the same right be denied outright
>> >to people born in third world countries? (Note that I'm *not* arguing for
>> >uncontrolled immigration). The native populations of the Americas, Africa
>> >and Oceania were, for the most part, willing to accept European economic
>> >migrants and refugees (= colonialists)  as neighbors until these settlers
>> >started to invoke 'white privilege' as a justification for confiscating
>> >their land, massacring them, and, in many cases, transforming their
>> >ancient homelands into 'white majority countries'.
>
>
>
>>     We're back to the "I want what you got" theme.  Damn few 
>> whites want to go into non-white lands, and hundreds of 
>> millions of non-hites want to go into white lands.  Do you 
>> really think anyone is not aware of the difference?
>
>
>
>>  Argentina, Australia,
>> >Canada, New Zealand, and the United States offer perhaps the best examples
>> >of this scenario. Luckily, few can or desire to equal the Europeans when
>> >it comes to genocidal savagery, ethnocentric arrogance, or iniquitous
>> >avarice.
>
>
>




>     You're back on your "Whitey must be punished!   So gimme!" 
>> line.  As usual, you spend half your time saying it and half 
>> your time denying you say it.
>
>




>
>> >
>> >>      The essence of establishment doctrine is that whites must 
>> >> accept that whitey must go.   
>> >
>> >'Whitey' must accept that people are bound together and form groupings on
>> >the basis of things much more significant than some ill-defined intangible
>> >as 'race'. Not too long ago, it was religion, in today's world it's shared
>> >economic interest. Tomorrow it could be something else, but I doubt if it
>> >will ever be shared skin color, hair texture, sweat gland configuration,
>> >earwax texture, or urine chemistry. You, Mr. Whitiker, have not been even
>> >close to success in producing a satisfactory definition of 'white' even
>> >if, as your nemesis, Ms. Finsten, never tires of pointing out, it would be
>> >damned important if laws were to be passed limiting certain privileges,
>> >including the right to
>> >live where one wishes, only to 'whites'.
>




>
>>       PLEASE NOTE THERE WERE NO QUOTATION MARKS AROUND "WHITE" 
>> WHEN YOU WERE CONDEMNING US ABOVE.  ONLY THE INTOLERABLE IDEA 
>> OF WHITE SURVIVAL BRINGS OUT YOUR QUOTATION MARKS!!!
>




REPEAT! you clones never address this!






>
>
>
>>  I'm sure that you are aware of
>> >the fact that one of the reasons apartheid fell in South Africa was its
>> >own impossibility: since there was no air-tight way of defining the racial
>> >groups, siblings could be given different racial classifications and thus
>> >very different starting points in life.
>




>
>>    Actually, South Africa under apartheid was the only livable 
>> country in Africa.  You know, but you will never voluntarily 
>> say, that one problem the Republic had was large-scale illegal 
>> black immigration from those wonderful free paradises north of 
>> them.
>>    You people used to talk about how great Africa would  be 
>> once it was independent.  You don't talk about that, nor does 
>> the press ask what happened to all that talk.
>>    I think South Africa is on its way down the toilet, and you 
>> will be as silent about it in ten years as you are now about 
>> those wonderful independent countries you were once so proud of 
>> to the north of the Republic.
>
>
>




>
>>  Stomach-patting definitions like
>
>
>
>


>    I repeat the point you never address: you always know who 
>> whites are when you want what they got, and you demand on the 
>> basis of white sin.
>
>
>




>> >'everybody knows who's white and who isn't' won't cut it when the stakes
>> >are as important as a privileged or marginalized status in society, not to
>> >mention the right to be an economic migrant if one's native society does
>> >not offer the chances for success or happiness.
>> >
>> >> It's called genocide, and all 
>> >> this talk aside, that's the point.
>> >> >
>> >
>> >Utter claptrap. It's called globalization
>
>






>>     Like "diversity", your "globalization" only applies to 
>> majority-white countries.  No one expects the Mongoloid race to 
>> go under under a tide of non-Mongoloid immigrants into Asia, or 
>> Africa to change colors.  Your final solution, which you cal 
>> diversity or globalization or some other code word, is your 
>> final solution to the white problem.
>




>
>>  and is the inevitable result of
>> >transnational interaction and the development of a world economy.
>> >Structures such as alliances, nations, peoples, and races are the
>> >historical results of specific sets of conditions, with an element of
>> >chance thrown in. Those that are unable to withstand the challenges of the
>> >future will fade away, with new, more viable structures replacing them. No
>> >sane person would claim that dinosaurs were the victims of genocide. Your
>> >great-great-great-great grandchildren might be brown-skinned and speak
>> >Japanese, but they'll still be your great-great-great-great grandchildren.
>> >
>> >We have spoken. 
>> >
>> >
>> >Eugene the Curly-headed
>> >King of alt.politics.white-power, Protector of our Aryan heritage,
>> >Defender of the English language, etc. etc. etc.
>
>
>
>
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>+++ All Power to All People +++
>
>" Last night they relieved me of all my sorrows
>  In the darkness they gave me the water of life."
>----------------------------------------------------------------------




From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Aug 26 13:59:48 PDT 1996
Article: 440686 of talk.politics.misc
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From: bob whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white,talk.politics.misc,soc.culture.usa,alt.discrimination
Subject: Re: Conflicts in White Nationalist thought, Mr. Strom?
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joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) wrote:
>In article <32203971.2E0@ix.netcom.com> Kevin Alfred Strom  writes:
>
>>Actually, eugenics is the best and only answer, in the long term, to 
>>society's problems.
>
>And that pretty much says all one needs to know about Mr. Strom, neh?



     That makes him A Nazi Who Wants To Kill Six Million Jews, 
right?






>
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From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Aug 26 14:08:42 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
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Subject: Re: That new gun study
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     You've GOT to give these libs credit, they get right off 
the subject and the dumbass conservatives sit there drooling 
and let them.
     The big point is this: what everybody has forgotten is 
that a year or so ago, these same libs were screaming that 
concealed weapons laws would lead to states passing them 
becoming "Dodge City", and there would be slaughter in the 
streets.
     Now libs are reduced to arguing that the decline in the 
crime rate is not actually due to these laws.
    Only a dumbass respectable conservative would let them get 
away with that and not say a friggin' word!
     The press dutifully forgets what these whacko PC freaks 
were shouting last year, and respectable conservatives go right 
along.
      Professional panickers on one side and morons on the 
other!  No wonder the US is in the pits!






Steve Brinich  wrote:
>[Followups trimmed]
>
>Dan Thornsberry wrote:
>
>> > Try reading the study, the introductory section in particular.
>> 
>> It doesn't matter. When you find the study was funded by friends
>> of the NRA, it loses all credibility.
>
>  BZZZT!  A study loses credibility when, and _only_ when, particular
>errors have been discovered.
>  Of course, someone who risks an indecent exposure citation when
>required to count to twenty-one wouldn't understand the mathematical
>subtleties involved in that, and so must try to dodge the issue.
>
>-- 
>Steve Brinich steve-b@access.digex.net      If the government wants us
> PGP:89B992BBE67F7B2F64FDF2EA14374C3E           to respect the law
> http://www.access.digex.net/~steve-b     it should set a better example




From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Aug 26 15:45:57 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
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Subject: Re: Racist Education 3: On the College Campus
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   Well, I see you clones have settled down to lecturing each 
other on racism, just like Mommy Professor.
   At least in this case I don't have to pay for this crap.



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   Well, I see you clones have settled down to lecturing each 
other on racism, just like Mommy Professor.
   At least in this case I don't have to pay for this crap.



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lupo.4@osu.edu (Ken Lupo) wrote:
>In article , rich@c2.org (Rich Graves) wrote:
>
>>
>>In article <4viv7r$7hk@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu>, jmrst32+@pitt.edu (James
>>M Rankin) wrote:
>>
>>[Spew from my "brother" deleted]
>>
>>> : George Graves
>>> 
>>> Excuse me, sir, but I wonder if it would be too much trouble to ask you to
>>> identify your socio-economic-ethnic-sexual-religious-political background,
>>> and perhaps job description, so that, in the future, we might follow up
>>> posts of yours with jokes and anecdotes offensive to those of your
>>> background.  After all, I'm sure that you belong to one of those groups 
>>> that have "made it, and [does not] feel sensitive about [your personal 
>>> background]."
>>
>>He's a racist loser. His background is alt.politics.white-power. Feel free
>>to post all your redneck and skinhead jokes -- in the appropriate forum,
>>which I doubt includes comp.sys.mac.advocacy.
>
>Just because you don't agree with him doesn't make him a racist.  Saying 
>somebody is something doesn't make it so.
>


lupo.4@osu.edu (Ken Lupo) wrote:
>In article , rich@c2.org (Rich Graves) wrote:
>
>>
>>In article <4viv7r$7hk@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu>, jmrst32+@pitt.edu (James
>>M Rankin) wrote:
>>
>>[Spew from my "brother" deleted]
>>
>>> : George Graves
>>> 
>>> Excuse me, sir, but I wonder if it would be too much trouble to ask you to
>>> identify your socio-economic-ethnic-sexual-religious-political background,
>>> and perhaps job description, so that, in the future, we might follow up
>>> posts of yours with jokes and anecdotes offensive to those of your
>>> background.  After all, I'm sure that you belong to one of those groups 
>>> that have "made it, and [does not] feel sensitive about [your personal 
>>> background]."
>>
>>He's a racist loser. His background is alt.politics.white-power. Feel free
>>to post all your redneck and skinhead jokes -- in the appropriate forum,
>>which I doubt includes comp.sys.mac.advocacy.
>
>Just because you don't agree with him doesn't make him a racist.  Saying 
>somebody is something doesn't make it so.
>
   You had better not disagree with these clones, or you will 
find yourself declared to be a Nazi Who Wants To Kill Six 
Million Jews.



From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Aug 26 16:27:31 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white,talk.politics.misc,soc.culture.usa,alt.discrimination
Subject: Re: Conflicts in White Nationalist thought, Mr. Strom?
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joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) wrote:
>In article <32203971.2E0@ix.netcom.com> Kevin Alfred Strom  writes:
>
>>Actually, eugenics is the best and only answer, in the long term, to 
>>society's problems.
>
>And that pretty much says all one needs to know about Mr. Strom, neh?



     That makes him A Nazi Who Wants To Kill Six Million Jews, 
right?






>
>---------------------------------------------------------------
>http://www.winternet.com/~joelr
>http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN%3D0380973227/joelrosenbergA/
>...and for the last bit of geekitry:  to receive the latest version of my FAQ, 
>send me a message with the phrase "your FAQ" anywhere in the subject line.




From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Aug 26 16:27:32 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.discrimination,alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white
Subject: Re: Racist Education 3: On the College Campus
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   Well, I see you clones have settled down to lecturing each 
other on racism, just like Mommy Professor.
   At least in this case I don't have to pay for this crap.



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From: bob whitaker 
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   Well, I see you clones have settled down to lecturing each 
other on racism, just like Mommy Professor.
   At least in this case I don't have to pay for this crap.



From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Aug 26 17:45:49 PDT 1996
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lness@indiana.edu (Lester John Ness) wrote:
>	If you lie down with dogs, you'll get up with fleas.  Hang around
>with Nazis, and people will figure you're a Nazi, too.
>
>-- 
>Lester Ness	lness@indiana.edu

    I am not Politically Correct, thereefore I am A Nazi Who 
Wants To Kill Six Million Jews.
    Get in line with the other clones.



From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Aug 26 17:45:51 PDT 1996
Article: 40930 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bob whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Re: HAVE YOU EVER SEEN QUOTES AROUND "WHITE" WHEN CLONES ARE CONDEMNING  WHITES?
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holman@elo.helsinki.fi (Eugene Holman) wrote:
>In article <4vn843$m4s@molokini.conterra.com>, bob whitaker
> wrote:
>
>>    When I expresss my concern about the white race's future, 
>> the clones always say, "Welll, what is this so-called 'white" 
>> race anyway?"
>>     But when they are accusing the white race of being evil or 
>> exploitive or bigotted, you will never, never, never see any 
>> quotation marks around the word white.  We all know exactly 
>> what we are talking about.
>>     
>
>
>Yawn.
>
>I don't think there is any argument that the Europeans who rejoiced in
>colonialism and ethnic cleansing (but, to be fair, used the opportunities
>these activities provided them with to contribute a disproportionate
>amount to our global technological society) were white, with no quotation
>marks needed. They were from England, France, the Netherlands, Spain, and
>Portugal, all western European countries with traditional populations >99%
>of which is white in the sense of the term which hardly anyone would
>question.
>
>What justifies my use of quotation marks in certain contexts is the
>variety of views held by many, including some participants in this
>race-conscious discussion, that people like Marconi, Einstein, Freud,
>Rothschild, [former Chechen leader] Dudayev, Yasser Arafat, Yitzak Rabin,
>Saddam Hussein and others may or may not be white:
>
>Let's draw up a table to make these things clearer. In the table below
>'Christian' means a nominal adherence to Christian beliefs; 'Wog' (as in
>'Wogs start at Calais.') characterizes a person as being predominantly of
>Mediterranean or Levantine ancestry, typically with olive skin, a
>prominent nose, and black hair; 'European' means born in Europe in the
>geographical sense of west of the Urals, while 'swarthy' means a person of
>olive to tan complexion and straight to wavy hair. The higher the score,
>the higher a persons "'white?' but not 'White!'" index.
>
>              non-Christian   Wog     non-European    Swarthy  INDEX
>
>Arafat           +            +             +           +        4
>Marconi          -            +             -           -        1  
>Einstein         +            -             -           -        1
>Freud            +            -             -           -        1
>Rothschild       +            -             -           -        1
>Dudayev          +            +             -           +        3
>Rabin            +            -             -           -        1
>Hussein          +            +             +           +        4
>
>
>
>Nobody would disagree that e.g. Queen Elizabeth II, or Helmut Kohl is
>white (no quotes), president Bill Clinton has claimed that he is 1/8
>Cherokee, but I don't know if that compromises his whiteness. Several
>people participating in this discussion would not feel comfortable calling
>Einstein, Rabin, or Freud white, and some might say they were 'white' but
>not 'White'. At least Les Griswold would protest at considering Marconi or
>anyone else mentioned in the table white; several would reject Arafat or
>Dudayev as white, with an overwhelming majority rejecting Sadam Hussein as
>white. And what about Colin Powell. Even though he considers himself
>'black', he is a mixture which to me seems more 'white' than 'black'.
>Specifically, if Clinton can be 1/8 Cherokee and still be 'white', why is
>a Colin Powell who is, let us argue, 7/8 white still 'black'?
>
>So the use of quotation marks is not a means of being disrespectful or
>cynical, but rather just a way of showing in some contexts that
>'whiteness' is a category about which there can be considerable
>disagreement once you move away from the non-controversial cases.
>
>
>We have spoken. 
>
>
>Eugene the Curly-headed
>King of alt.politics.white-power, Protector of our Aryan heritage,
>Defender of the English language, etc. etc. etc.


    You made up a good argument.  
    Nothing to do with reality,  but good.
    There is nothing exclusively Northern European about 
colnialism, so that's crap.
    If you read the context, the reason clones put quotes  
around "white" is so that whites appear not to exist, so they 
can be done away iwth by immigration and integration, and 2) 
they themselves wouldnot then be what they so obviously are, 
traitors devoted to the disappearance of their own kind.
    But this really was an excellent try.






From bwhit@conterra.com Tue Aug 27 08:00:19 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
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Subject: Re: "Diversity" -- Anti-White Code Word
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amatthews@cybercom.net (Allan Matthews) wrote:
>In article <4vnakl$s5q@news-e2b.gnn.com>, astupid@netdoor.com 
>(dannie hawkins) wrote:
>>On 23 Aug 1996 16:20:49 -0700, rcgraves@ix.netcom.com (Rich Graves) wrote:
>>>Anyway, I don't consider myself part of a "tribe"; 
>>
>>There's no way you'd be accepted anyway, so...
>
>Really?  Then what makes a person part of the white tribe?



NEWS FLASH: You traitors are not accepted by anybody.



  This question 
>seems to cause a great deal of confusion among Erryuns.  Obviously to you 
>there is more than just race involved.  One must also think in a certain, 
>limited way.  So, if ideas are an important part of being part of your tribe, 
>exactly what are ALL the qualifications for membership in this white tribe? 
>And just what percentage of all whites meet these "standards," mr. white power 
>coward.  Be specific about the qualifications and site evidence for your 
>number estimates.  
>
>allan 
>




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From: bob whitaker 
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Subject: Re: Putting Quotations Around "White", Another DUHH! Tactic
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christop@ifi.uio.no (Christopher Henrik Lund) wrote:
>
>In article <4vl1tk$2gh@molokini.conterra.com>, bob whitaker  writes:
>> christop@ifi.uio.no (Christopher Henrik Lund) wrote:
>> >
>> >In article <4vfjv5$4gs@molokini.conterra.com>, bob whitaker  writes:
>> >> christop@ifi.uio.no (Christopher Henrik Lund) wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >In article <4vd6l8$ac3@molokini.conterra.com>, bob whitaker  writes:
>> >> >> Laura Finsten  wrote:
>> >> >> >bob whitaker  wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >	[rant & rave]
>> >> >
>> >> >>     Genocide applied to my race is still genocide.
>> >> >
>> >> >And what "race" is that, bobby?
>> >> 
>> >>      You're a good boy.
>> >> 
>> >
>> >You don't like answering all those tough questions, do you...
>> 
>> 
>>      You're a good boy.
>> 
>
>Is this a new mantra of some kind?
>
>
>
>	C. Lund, Oslo	http://www.ifi.uio.no/~christop/shame.html


     I'm sorry.  I just have real difficulty believing that 
even a Politically Correct clone can't figure out what "good 
boy" means.  You people really can't think AT all, can you?
     OK, hold your mouth open, here comes the spoon.
     You are a post-World War II European good boy.  You have 
been raised and trained in the doctrine of antiracism  against 
the evil on the other side, who have been presented to you as 
Nazis Who Want to Kill Six Million Jews.
     You even have Hate Laws which jail people for having Evil 
Opinions.
     Your reaction to all this is to repeat all the cliches 
you've heard, having swallowed them whole.
     A good boy in Stalin's Soviet Union would have quoted 
those cliches and reported the Evil Traitors to the KGB.  Under 
Hitler, a good boy would have reported hiding Jews, and 
repeated those cliches.




From bwhit@conterra.com Tue Aug 27 08:35:30 PDT 1996
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     Lenin followed the Czar.
     Many years ago, I read a book named *Russia* by a man 
named Gautier, which was published in 1902.   It was an 
interesting description of the Russia of the time, by a man who 
was obviously a well-informed visitor.
     There was almost nothing  about politics in the book.
     Then, int he last paragraph of the book, Gautier said 
something that he apparently assumed most knowledgeable people 
of his day already knew:
     He predicted a revolution that would dwarf the French 
Revolution in its horror and societal effects.
     The stage was set for Lenin's revolution by the Czarist 
regime.  On this stage, Lenin followed the Czar as naturally as 
night follows day.
      To a clone, or to anyone else whose knowledge of history 
consists of a Politically Correct drill, the idea that Lenin 
naturally followed the Czar seems like the beginnings of 
heresy.   After all, the Czar was on the right, and Lenin was 
far left, os how could they be related?
      But anyone with an education which includes history has 
no trouble with it.
      Even Marx understood this simple lesson well enough.   He 
advocated and predicted violent class revolution for Europe, 
and certainly for the even more reactionary Russia, but he 
lived in America, and he and Engels agreed that its open 
society would probably move into socialism by evolution.
       For most literate people, this is belaboring the 
obvious.  But not for the clones.  I started explaining this to 
the clones a while back, and all hell broke loose.
       The clone crew started trying to explain to me I was 
mixing up right and left, Lenin and Hitler.
       Well, for the benefit of the non-clones,.let me 
continue.
        By 1933, Lenin Reds had a huge presence in Germany, and 
 Hitler's Nazis had grown up as their totalitarian opposite.  
In that year, the Communists and National Socialists, cobined, 
had a majority in the Weimar Republic's Bundestag.   In order 
to form a government, on eof these totalitarian groups had to 
be brought into the government.
        The rest is history, weritten in blood.
        You can usually tell how far left a group is, how near 
the totalitarian left, by how often they repeat that all the 
opposition is fascist.   Likewise, the far right is very, very 
free with the label Communist.
         This is no accident.  Each potential despot justifies 
itself by the using hte other as an excuse.
         So Lenin followed the Czar and Hitler followed Lenin. 
  In this hideous parade, who are the true followers of Hitler?
         The drill we call Political Correctness tells us that 
the dangerous followers of hitler are on the right, with 
Hitler's racial ideas.   But an educated person would predict 
that the potential tyrants of the post-World War II period 
would come in reaction to Hitler, using him and his ideas as an 
excuse for suppressing all opposition.
         If Hitler was a pro-white racist, his legitimate 
followers will be anti-white.
         Hitler's true followers will tell us that anyone who 
opposes them is A Nazi Who Wants To Kill Six Million Jews.
          



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From: bob whitaker 
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Subject: Re: "Diversity" -- Anti-White Code Word
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amatthews@cybercom.net (Allan Matthews) wrote:
>In article <4vnakl$s5q@news-e2b.gnn.com>, astupid@netdoor.com 
>(dannie hawkins) wrote:
>>On 23 Aug 1996 16:20:49 -0700, rcgraves@ix.netcom.com (Rich Graves) wrote:
>>>Anyway, I don't consider myself part of a "tribe"; 
>>
>>There's no way you'd be accepted anyway, so...
>
>Really?  Then what makes a person part of the white tribe?



NEWS FLASH: You traitors are not accepted by anybody.



  This question 
>seems to cause a great deal of confusion among Erryuns.  Obviously to you 
>there is more than just race involved.  One must also think in a certain, 
>limited way.  So, if ideas are an important part of being part of your tribe, 
>exactly what are ALL the qualifications for membership in this white tribe? 
>And just what percentage of all whites meet these "standards," mr. white power 
>coward.  Be specific about the qualifications and site evidence for your 
>number estimates.  
>
>allan 
>




From bwhit@conterra.com Tue Aug 27 08:35:31 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
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Subject: Re: 68er wo seid ihr
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"Jeanneret."  wrote:
>Hello zusammen.
>Schreibe und spreche deutsch.
>Wenn Ihr mal nachsehen würdet unter:
>http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Jean_Jeanneret
>Macht mit. Fuer Uebersetzungen waere ich dankbar.
>Frage: Wie "eroeffnet" man ein Forum? Wer hilft einem Neuling?
>Danke und tschuess    Jean


     She wants to know how you open one of these forums.
     Anybody know?



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holman@elo.helsinki.fi (Eugene Holman) wrote:
>In article <4vnahe$o4t@molokini.conterra.com>, bob whitaker
> wrote:
>
>> holman@elo.helsinki.fi (Eugene Holman) wrote:
>>
>> >I don't see anyone doing any 'allowing' or 'forbidding',
>> 
>>    Loyal Soviet citizens used to say they had freedom of 
>> speech, too, because they were allowed to say anything they 
>> actually wanted to say.   You are saying here that you have 
>> never heard all the screams of "You Are a Nazi Who Wants to 
>> Kill Six Million Jews" at anyone who disagrees with 
>> establishment racial doctrine.  
>
>Of course I've heard them. But I don't identify 'Nazis' with 'people with
>a concern for the "white" race'.

    Putting quotes around white in this context is aLOT nastier 
than screaming Nazi, which is old hat.
    What if someone had gotten word that their adopted child 
was dying.  Would you write them a note saying "I'm sorry that 
the person you call "your child" is dying."
    Here you recognize that we racists have feelings, and our 
beautiful race is being immigrated and integrated out of 
existence.  Then you say our "race".  




 The Nazis knew what they were after:
>Germans were best, everyone else was potential grist for the meatgrinder.
>They had the decency to publish the Nuremberg Laws making quite clear who
>was on their shit list and who wasn't. During the 1960s the American
>states that maintained legal separation of the races had civil codes
>defining who is 'white' and who is not. Unfortunately, the same person
>could be 'white' in one state and 'non-white' in another, since such
>varying criteria as the 'one drop' rule, the 'who you look like' rule, and
>the 'Hindus and Pakistanis are not white' rule were used or not used,
>depending on where you were.
>
>In short, nobody is denying or questioning your right to be proud of or
>have concern for the 'white' race. What is being questioned is how that
>race is delimited from other races with particular attention denoted to
>the issues of individuals of mixed race (How can the 'one drop' rule be
>defended?, Why should someone who is 15/16 'white' be regarded as
>non-white?) and Europeans from the more southerly and eastern part of the
>continent who tend to be swarthy and have other 'non-Aryan' features such
>as black hair and brown eyes. Albanians, Romanians, Turks, Moldovans,
>Bulgarians, Armenians. Georgians. and Gypsies account for tens of millions
>of Europeans, so we're not dealing with a handful of exceptions. One
>popular anthropologically-based view of the 'white' (or Caucasoid) race is
>that is extends through the near east into India and Pakistan, this view
>being reflected in the term Caucasian, referring to the area presently
>inhabited by the Georgians, Chechens, Armenians, Degestanis, Abkhazes -
>all swarthy, dark-haired peoples - once regarded as the area where the
>best and most typical examples of the 'white' race were to be found. It is
>obviously in conflict with the view of the old South African regime which
>regarded Indian and Middle eastern Caucasoids as 'coloreds', as well as
>with the view popular in the UK and Canada that these people (of which
>there are hundreds of millions) are not 'white'. Thus, 'white' corresponds
>not with 'Caucasoid' (because it usually excludes Indians, etc.), not with
>'European Caucasoid' (because it often excludes swarthy Europeans such as
>many Albanians, Romanians, Bulgarians, Turks, Macedonians, Turks, and
>Moldavans). not even necessarily with 'blond-haired, blue eyed European
>Caucasoid (because it would exclude someone with these characteristics if
>he or she had 1/8 or 1/16 non-'white' blood, as well as, in some peoples
>opinions, Jews by definition).
>
>So, nobody is denying your pride, we're just not sure that whatever it is
>you're proud of corresponds to any well-defined entity. If I am 7/8, 3/4
>or even 1/4 'white' why should I denied the right to be proud of what is
>also (part of) my racial heritage? These are questions that demand a
>serious answer, not flippancy.
>
>
>> Can you actually imagine a 
>> pro-white speech, a speech expressing concern about the white 
>> race being overwhelmed, being part of a campus dialogue.
>>     You think speech is free becaiuse people are allowed tos ay 
>> everything about race you feel they should be able to say.
>> 
>
>I have neither said nor implied any such thing. I welcome all opinions and
>views that are intelligently thought out and defensible. I have no love of
>the (Third Reich type) Nazis, but I have no trouble analyzing and taking a
>critical stance with respect to their views because they took the care to
>define concepts, state them clearly, and provide justification, when
>needed, for the introduction of a new concept or definition..
>
>
>>    You certainly could, and you usually do.  You are saying 
>> that the white race must be destroyed for its evil.  Being 
>> white and not a traitor-clone, I disagree.
>
>I am most certainly not saying that. The fact that the white (here no
>quotes needed because we are dealing with a well defined subset of the
>'white' race) race overwhelmed many non-white peoples in the world was
>evil, but it did not necessarily mean the destruction of these peoples.
>Canada and the US still have Indian populations, and even Australia and
>New Zealand retain some demographic remnants of the status ante quo.
>Although colonialism exacted a heavy human toll in Africa, with as many as
>100,000,000 Africans estimated to have been killed during the more than
>three centuries slavery was practiced, one positive result was a stronger
>Africa with an educated elite as cultivated and capable as any anyehere.
>No race has a monopoly on good or evil, barbarism or savagery.That's why
>it's so stupid, and sad, I have to say, to view the world in terms of a
>struggle between one race wanting to 'destroy' another one because of the
>evils committed by some of its representatives.
>
>
>
>>    While we're discussing guilt, what about the reward whites 
>> should get for being the only race in history to free its 
>> slaves(whites abolished slavery in non-white countries).  What 
>> is our reward for getting the worms our of your childrens' 
>> stomaches, ending smallpox, and a thousand other things.   
>> Would you really like to live in a world without white 
>> accomplishments?
>>     You want what whitey's got, and guilt is the only way to 
>> get it. 
>> 
>> 
>
>I'm grateful for the achievements of European civilization, but I also
>realize that the advantages in resources, living space, intellectual
>freedom, and just plain time to think without having to devote all one's
>energies to the day-to-day tsks of surviving were in more cases than you
>obviosuly care to realize, exacted from other peoples in the form of slave
>labor, territories conquered, and resources purloined. The people who did
>most of the work were, admittedly, white; the people who supplied many of
>the opportunities making it possible to get the work done were not
>necessarily white, although many were. It's the same thing, by the way,
>with historiography. We tend to think of history in terms of the
>contributions made by white, usually aggressive males. The framemwork that
>allowed them their place on the stage of history, though, was often
>provided by their womenfolk, their exploited laborers or slaves, and
>spoils taken from indigenous peoples fighting to defend their homelands
>against invaders.
>
>
>>    Exactly.  We don't owe you a damned thing.
>
>When the world economy functions so that 10% of the population accounts
>for 90% of the consumption common sense should tell you that something
>will have to give, that such a system cannot be sustained without violence
>on the part of both parties. And if you are manipulating the market to
>maintain this n90%/10% figure, you can be damned sure that there will be
>demands for compensation once the market is adjusted.
>
>> >
>> >Colonialism was motivated by the desire on the part of Europeans to better
>> >their lot by gaining access to and exploiting resources they did not have
>> >in their ancestral homelands by hornswoggling them from people they
>> >considered gullible or inferior: it was a cynical form of economic migration
>> >spiced with slavery and genocide. Some people in the third world regard
>> >the first world as being at least to some degree the result of the
>> >resources and manpower usurped from their ancestors, their economic
>> >migration is motivated by their desiure to have a piece of what can be
>> >justifiably argued was built using resources and manpower which are
>> >partially their birthright.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>    Everybody feels like they deserve everything someone else 
>> has.
>> 
>>
>
>>    Zimbabwe was over 4% white when I lived there and it was 
>> Rhodesia.
>> 
>
>(Commenting on statistics about white populations in 'old black' countries.
>
>>    What a pathetic charade!   This is a tiny portion of the 
>> world's blacks, and a bare touch of non-blacks there.  You want 
>> every white majority country "diversified", ie, made brown.  
>> Anyone who can see any comparison is not worth talking to.
>> 
>
>
>You certainly felt that you had the right to 'diversify' Rhodesia when you
>were living there. the 4% white statistic you give for the Rhodesia of
>your youth surpasses the number of balcks in any of the countries you
>claim are being 'flooded', except the US and the
>UK.                                                                                                                                =
                                                                                                              
>
>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >The former French colonies of Congo, Ivory Coast, and the Central African
>> >Republic, as well as Kenya, Ghana, Uganda and Zaire were noted to have
>> >white populations ranging between 30,000 and 500,000, not enough to be
>> >significant in the sense given above, but large enough to be visible and
>> >carry some societal clout.
>> 
>>     Screw societal clout.  I am talking about genocide.
>
>
>Most of thse people, including the ones who've stayed on in (Rhodesia >)
>Zimbabe, are now working as teachers, physicians, government advisors,
>businessmen, ranchers; making a contribution to the society in which they
>live without, however, many of of the perks of 'white privilege' which
>they use to have. How, pray tell, does this amount to genocide?
>
>> 
>>     We're back to the "I want what you got" theme.  Damn few 
>> whites want to go into non-white lands, and hundreds of 
>> millions of non-hites want to go into white lands.  Do you 
>> really think anyone is not aware of the difference?
>> 
>
>I'd rather say paraphrase you as 'damn few people want to go to developing
>economies, whereas lots of people want to go to developed ones.' It's
>economic self interest, not visions of racial armageddon, which cause
>people to migrate. If I lived in a developing economy, but had acquired
>the professional skills to live in a developed one, no matter what my skin
>color or that of the majority of the people running the nearest one, I'd
>make every effort to do so, particularly if, as is often the case, the
>country in which I live is 'developing' or 'underdeveloped' because its
>ruling circles were in cahoots with Washington and London to ensure a
>steady supply of cheap raw materials and semi-skilled labor. We've seen
>how quickly and violently the developed world reacts when third world
>countries try to exact what they consider to be a fair price for their raw
>materials exports. If I have virtually no possibility of living the type
>of life I think I am capable of achieving in my home country, I'm damn
>well going to try to go to a country where I can. There is no reason I
>should accept a situation in which 10% of the population accounts for 90%
>of the consumption.
>
>
>> 
>>  Argentina, Australia,
>> >Canada, New Zealand, and the United States offer perhaps the best examples
>> >of this scenario. Luckily, few can or desire to equal the Europeans when
>> >it comes to genocidal savagery, ethnocentric arrogance, or iniquitous
>> >avarice.
>> 
>
>>     You're back on your "Whitey must be punished!   So gimme!" 
>> line.  As usual, you spend half your time saying it and half 
>> your time denying you say it.
>> 
>
>These countries where made 'primarily, but not exclusively, white' by a
>combination of *ethnic cleansing*, in which not only whites were involved,
>and *demographic engineering*, which favored (certain types of) white
>immigration. The Americans finally understood the unfairness of this
>during the 1960s, when national quotas of the type which had prevailed
>since the 1920s were abolished and a more representative sample of the
>world's population was allowed to immigrate - it is the 'land of
>opportunity'.
> 
>> 
>>    Actually, South Africa under apartheid was the only livable 
>> country in Africa. 
>
>For the 15% of the population that lorded it over everyone else.
>
>> You know, but you will never voluntarily 
>> say, that one problem the Republic had was large-scale illegal 
>> black immigration from those wonderful free paradises north of 
>> them.
>
>Not for the living conditions, which were typically atrocious for migrant
>workers, illegal or not, but rather for the chance to make a salary in a
>semi-first world economy.
>
>>    You people used to talk about how great Africa would  be 
>> once it was independent.  You don't talk about that, nor does 
>> the press ask what happened to all that talk.
>
>I have no particular interest in Africa, being American born and a
>resident of Europe for many years. I do, however, have a serious interest
>in relations between the developed and the developing world. These are
>issues involving things much more important than race: a more equal
>division of the world's wealth and resources, less wasteful patterns of
>consumption, and fewer artificial barriers between peoples.
>
>>    I think South Africa is on its way down the toilet, and you 
>> will be as silent about it in ten years as you are now about 
>> those wonderful independent countries you were once so proud of 
>> to the north of the Republic.
>> 
>
>We'll see. Compared with North America, South East Asia, Oceania, and
>Western Europe, Africa looks rather sad. Compared, however, to a
>substantial part of Latin America as well as many republics of the former
>Soviet Union and, unfortunately, the American-destroyed mess that is now
>Iraq, several parts of Africa look quite reasonable. At least we know that
>in South Africa 15% of the population won't have a lifestyle that requires
>85% of the national swag to maintain.
>
>
>>    I repeat the point you never address: you always know who 
>> whites are when you want what they got, nad you demand on the 
>> basis of white sin.
>> 
>
>Yes. These are the whites that constructed the systems of colonialism and
>accompoanying racism that allowed them to make a great leap forward with
>respect to the rest of mankind. They lived in Great Britain, Spain,
>Portugal, France, Belgium, the Netherlands, Italy, Germany,
>Denmark(-Norway), and Sweden (those being the countries that tried their
>hands at building overseas colonial empires). A different kind of colonial
>empire was contructed by the( Russians >) Soviets (>Russians) to enslave
>'poor white' nationalities such as Romanians, Bulgarians, Armenians,
>Georgians, Ukrainians, Chechens, Tatars, Tajiks, Azeris, Uzbeks, etc.
>which many American white nationalists don't even regard as white. If it's
>of any consolation to you, Whites have treated their 'white' colonial
>charges just as badly as they have their non-white charges. So I am by no
>means anti-white, I am against privilege and and advantage being ascribed
>to a 'race' and justified as the natural consequence of its 'inherent
>superiority' rather than related to their true source: the evil system of
>dehumanization, exploitation, and genocide known as colonialism which
>enable a subset within a race to force the world to live as it dictated.
>
>
>
>We have spoken. 
>
>
>Eugene the Curly-headed
>King of alt.politics.white-power, Protector of our Aryan heritage,
>Defender of the English language, etc. etc. etc.




From bwhit@conterra.com Tue Aug 27 08:55:07 PDT 1996
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     Lenin followed the Czar.
     Many years ago, I read a book named *Russia* by a man 
named Gautier, which was published in 1902.   It was an 
interesting description of the Russia of the time, by a man who 
was obviously a well-informed visitor.
     There was almost nothing  about politics in the book.
     Then, int he last paragraph of the book, Gautier said 
something that he apparently assumed most knowledgeable people 
of his day already knew:
     He predicted a revolution that would dwarf the French 
Revolution in its horror and societal effects.
     The stage was set for Lenin's revolution by the Czarist 
regime.  On this stage, Lenin followed the Czar as naturally as 
night follows day.
      To a clone, or to anyone else whose knowledge of history 
consists of a Politically Correct drill, the idea that Lenin 
naturally followed the Czar seems like the beginnings of 
heresy.   After all, the Czar was on the right, and Lenin was 
far left, os how could they be related?
      But anyone with an education which includes history has 
no trouble with it.
      Even Marx understood this simple lesson well enough.   He 
advocated and predicted violent class revolution for Europe, 
and certainly for the even more reactionary Russia, but he 
lived in America, and he and Engels agreed that its open 
society would probably move into socialism by evolution.
       For most literate people, this is belaboring the 
obvious.  But not for the clones.  I started explaining this to 
the clones a while back, and all hell broke loose.
       The clone crew started trying to explain to me I was 
mixing up right and left, Lenin and Hitler.
       Well, for the benefit of the non-clones,.let me 
continue.
        By 1933, Lenin Reds had a huge presence in Germany, and 
 Hitler's Nazis had grown up as their totalitarian opposite.  
In that year, the Communists and National Socialists, cobined, 
had a majority in the Weimar Republic's Bundestag.   In order 
to form a government, on eof these totalitarian groups had to 
be brought into the government.
        The rest is history, weritten in blood.
        You can usually tell how far left a group is, how near 
the totalitarian left, by how often they repeat that all the 
opposition is fascist.   Likewise, the far right is very, very 
free with the label Communist.
         This is no accident.  Each potential despot justifies 
itself by the using hte other as an excuse.
         So Lenin followed the Czar and Hitler followed Lenin. 
  In this hideous parade, who are the true followers of Hitler?
         The drill we call Political Correctness tells us that 
the dangerous followers of hitler are on the right, with 
Hitler's racial ideas.   But an educated person would predict 
that the potential tyrants of the post-World War II period 
would come in reaction to Hitler, using him and his ideas as an 
excuse for suppressing all opposition.
         If Hitler was a pro-white racist, his legitimate 
followers will be anti-white.
         Hitler's true followers will tell us that anyone who 
opposes them is A Nazi Who Wants To Kill Six Million Jews.
          



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Subject: Re: the PC crowd says.....ANY WHITE WHO OPPOSES OPEN BORDERS IS A NAZI
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holman@elo.helsinki.fi (Eugene Holman) wrote:
>In article <4vnahe$o4t@molokini.conterra.com>, bob whitaker
> wrote:
>
>> holman@elo.helsinki.fi (Eugene Holman) wrote:
>>
>> >I don't see anyone doing any 'allowing' or 'forbidding',
>> 
>>    Loyal Soviet citizens used to say they had freedom of 
>> speech, too, because they were allowed to say anything they 
>> actually wanted to say.   You are saying here that you have 
>> never heard all the screams of "You Are a Nazi Who Wants to 
>> Kill Six Million Jews" at anyone who disagrees with 
>> establishment racial doctrine.  
>
>Of course I've heard them. But I don't identify 'Nazis' with 'people with
>a concern for the "white" race'.

    Putting quotes around white in this context is aLOT nastier 
than screaming Nazi, which is old hat.
    What if someone had gotten word that their adopted child 
was dying.  Would you write them a note saying "I'm sorry that 
the person you call "your child" is dying."
    Here you recognize that we racists have feelings, and our 
beautiful race is being immigrated and integrated out of 
existence.  Then you say our "race".  




 The Nazis knew what they were after:
>Germans were best, everyone else was potential grist for the meatgrinder.
>They had the decency to publish the Nuremberg Laws making quite clear who
>was on their shit list and who wasn't. During the 1960s the American
>states that maintained legal separation of the races had civil codes
>defining who is 'white' and who is not. Unfortunately, the same person
>could be 'white' in one state and 'non-white' in another, since such
>varying criteria as the 'one drop' rule, the 'who you look like' rule, and
>the 'Hindus and Pakistanis are not white' rule were used or not used,
>depending on where you were.
>
>In short, nobody is denying or questioning your right to be proud of or
>have concern for the 'white' race. What is being questioned is how that
>race is delimited from other races with particular attention denoted to
>the issues of individuals of mixed race (How can the 'one drop' rule be
>defended?, Why should someone who is 15/16 'white' be regarded as
>non-white?) and Europeans from the more southerly and eastern part of the
>continent who tend to be swarthy and have other 'non-Aryan' features such
>as black hair and brown eyes. Albanians, Romanians, Turks, Moldovans,
>Bulgarians, Armenians. Georgians. and Gypsies account for tens of millions
>of Europeans, so we're not dealing with a handful of exceptions. One
>popular anthropologically-based view of the 'white' (or Caucasoid) race is
>that is extends through the near east into India and Pakistan, this view
>being reflected in the term Caucasian, referring to the area presently
>inhabited by the Georgians, Chechens, Armenians, Degestanis, Abkhazes -
>all swarthy, dark-haired peoples - once regarded as the area where the
>best and most typical examples of the 'white' race were to be found. It is
>obviously in conflict with the view of the old South African regime which
>regarded Indian and Middle eastern Caucasoids as 'coloreds', as well as
>with the view popular in the UK and Canada that these people (of which
>there are hundreds of millions) are not 'white'. Thus, 'white' corresponds
>not with 'Caucasoid' (because it usually excludes Indians, etc.), not with
>'European Caucasoid' (because it often excludes swarthy Europeans such as
>many Albanians, Romanians, Bulgarians, Turks, Macedonians, Turks, and
>Moldavans). not even necessarily with 'blond-haired, blue eyed European
>Caucasoid (because it would exclude someone with these characteristics if
>he or she had 1/8 or 1/16 non-'white' blood, as well as, in some peoples
>opinions, Jews by definition).
>
>So, nobody is denying your pride, we're just not sure that whatever it is
>you're proud of corresponds to any well-defined entity. If I am 7/8, 3/4
>or even 1/4 'white' why should I denied the right to be proud of what is
>also (part of) my racial heritage? These are questions that demand a
>serious answer, not flippancy.
>
>
>> Can you actually imagine a 
>> pro-white speech, a speech expressing concern about the white 
>> race being overwhelmed, being part of a campus dialogue.
>>     You think speech is free becaiuse people are allowed tos ay 
>> everything about race you feel they should be able to say.
>> 
>
>I have neither said nor implied any such thing. I welcome all opinions and
>views that are intelligently thought out and defensible. I have no love of
>the (Third Reich type) Nazis, but I have no trouble analyzing and taking a
>critical stance with respect to their views because they took the care to
>define concepts, state them clearly, and provide justification, when
>needed, for the introduction of a new concept or definition..
>
>
>>    You certainly could, and you usually do.  You are saying 
>> that the white race must be destroyed for its evil.  Being 
>> white and not a traitor-clone, I disagree.
>
>I am most certainly not saying that. The fact that the white (here no
>quotes needed because we are dealing with a well defined subset of the
>'white' race) race overwhelmed many non-white peoples in the world was
>evil, but it did not necessarily mean the destruction of these peoples.
>Canada and the US still have Indian populations, and even Australia and
>New Zealand retain some demographic remnants of the status ante quo.
>Although colonialism exacted a heavy human toll in Africa, with as many as
>100,000,000 Africans estimated to have been killed during the more than
>three centuries slavery was practiced, one positive result was a stronger
>Africa with an educated elite as cultivated and capable as any anyehere.
>No race has a monopoly on good or evil, barbarism or savagery.That's why
>it's so stupid, and sad, I have to say, to view the world in terms of a
>struggle between one race wanting to 'destroy' another one because of the
>evils committed by some of its representatives.
>
>
>
>>    While we're discussing guilt, what about the reward whites 
>> should get for being the only race in history to free its 
>> slaves(whites abolished slavery in non-white countries).  What 
>> is our reward for getting the worms our of your childrens' 
>> stomaches, ending smallpox, and a thousand other things.   
>> Would you really like to live in a world without white 
>> accomplishments?
>>     You want what whitey's got, and guilt is the only way to 
>> get it. 
>> 
>> 
>
>I'm grateful for the achievements of European civilization, but I also
>realize that the advantages in resources, living space, intellectual
>freedom, and just plain time to think without having to devote all one's
>energies to the day-to-day tsks of surviving were in more cases than you
>obviosuly care to realize, exacted from other peoples in the form of slave
>labor, territories conquered, and resources purloined. The people who did
>most of the work were, admittedly, white; the people who supplied many of
>the opportunities making it possible to get the work done were not
>necessarily white, although many were. It's the same thing, by the way,
>with historiography. We tend to think of history in terms of the
>contributions made by white, usually aggressive males. The framemwork that
>allowed them their place on the stage of history, though, was often
>provided by their womenfolk, their exploited laborers or slaves, and
>spoils taken from indigenous peoples fighting to defend their homelands
>against invaders.
>
>
>>    Exactly.  We don't owe you a damned thing.
>
>When the world economy functions so that 10% of the population accounts
>for 90% of the consumption common sense should tell you that something
>will have to give, that such a system cannot be sustained without violence
>on the part of both parties. And if you are manipulating the market to
>maintain this n90%/10% figure, you can be damned sure that there will be
>demands for compensation once the market is adjusted.
>
>> >
>> >Colonialism was motivated by the desire on the part of Europeans to better
>> >their lot by gaining access to and exploiting resources they did not have
>> >in their ancestral homelands by hornswoggling them from people they
>> >considered gullible or inferior: it was a cynical form of economic migration
>> >spiced with slavery and genocide. Some people in the third world regard
>> >the first world as being at least to some degree the result of the
>> >resources and manpower usurped from their ancestors, their economic
>> >migration is motivated by their desiure to have a piece of what can be
>> >justifiably argued was built using resources and manpower which are
>> >partially their birthright.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>    Everybody feels like they deserve everything someone else 
>> has.
>> 
>>
>
>>    Zimbabwe was over 4% white when I lived there and it was 
>> Rhodesia.
>> 
>
>(Commenting on statistics about white populations in 'old black' countries.
>
>>    What a pathetic charade!   This is a tiny portion of the 
>> world's blacks, and a bare touch of non-blacks there.  You want 
>> every white majority country "diversified", ie, made brown.  
>> Anyone who can see any comparison is not worth talking to.
>> 
>
>
>You certainly felt that you had the right to 'diversify' Rhodesia when you
>were living there. the 4% white statistic you give for the Rhodesia of
>your youth surpasses the number of balcks in any of the countries you
>claim are being 'flooded', except the US and the
>UK.                                                                                                                                =
                                                                                                              
>
>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >The former French colonies of Congo, Ivory Coast, and the Central African
>> >Republic, as well as Kenya, Ghana, Uganda and Zaire were noted to have
>> >white populations ranging between 30,000 and 500,000, not enough to be
>> >significant in the sense given above, but large enough to be visible and
>> >carry some societal clout.
>> 
>>     Screw societal clout.  I am talking about genocide.
>
>
>Most of thse people, including the ones who've stayed on in (Rhodesia >)
>Zimbabe, are now working as teachers, physicians, government advisors,
>businessmen, ranchers; making a contribution to the society in which they
>live without, however, many of of the perks of 'white privilege' which
>they use to have. How, pray tell, does this amount to genocide?
>
>> 
>>     We're back to the "I want what you got" theme.  Damn few 
>> whites want to go into non-white lands, and hundreds of 
>> millions of non-hites want to go into white lands.  Do you 
>> really think anyone is not aware of the difference?
>> 
>
>I'd rather say paraphrase you as 'damn few people want to go to developing
>economies, whereas lots of people want to go to developed ones.' It's
>economic self interest, not visions of racial armageddon, which cause
>people to migrate. If I lived in a developing economy, but had acquired
>the professional skills to live in a developed one, no matter what my skin
>color or that of the majority of the people running the nearest one, I'd
>make every effort to do so, particularly if, as is often the case, the
>country in which I live is 'developing' or 'underdeveloped' because its
>ruling circles were in cahoots with Washington and London to ensure a
>steady supply of cheap raw materials and semi-skilled labor. We've seen
>how quickly and violently the developed world reacts when third world
>countries try to exact what they consider to be a fair price for their raw
>materials exports. If I have virtually no possibility of living the type
>of life I think I am capable of achieving in my home country, I'm damn
>well going to try to go to a country where I can. There is no reason I
>should accept a situation in which 10% of the population accounts for 90%
>of the consumption.
>
>
>> 
>>  Argentina, Australia,
>> >Canada, New Zealand, and the United States offer perhaps the best examples
>> >of this scenario. Luckily, few can or desire to equal the Europeans when
>> >it comes to genocidal savagery, ethnocentric arrogance, or iniquitous
>> >avarice.
>> 
>
>>     You're back on your "Whitey must be punished!   So gimme!" 
>> line.  As usual, you spend half your time saying it and half 
>> your time denying you say it.
>> 
>
>These countries where made 'primarily, but not exclusively, white' by a
>combination of *ethnic cleansing*, in which not only whites were involved,
>and *demographic engineering*, which favored (certain types of) white
>immigration. The Americans finally understood the unfairness of this
>during the 1960s, when national quotas of the type which had prevailed
>since the 1920s were abolished and a more representative sample of the
>world's population was allowed to immigrate - it is the 'land of
>opportunity'.
> 
>> 
>>    Actually, South Africa under apartheid was the only livable 
>> country in Africa. 
>
>For the 15% of the population that lorded it over everyone else.
>
>> You know, but you will never voluntarily 
>> say, that one problem the Republic had was large-scale illegal 
>> black immigration from those wonderful free paradises north of 
>> them.
>
>Not for the living conditions, which were typically atrocious for migrant
>workers, illegal or not, but rather for the chance to make a salary in a
>semi-first world economy.
>
>>    You people used to talk about how great Africa would  be 
>> once it was independent.  You don't talk about that, nor does 
>> the press ask what happened to all that talk.
>
>I have no particular interest in Africa, being American born and a
>resident of Europe for many years. I do, however, have a serious interest
>in relations between the developed and the developing world. These are
>issues involving things much more important than race: a more equal
>division of the world's wealth and resources, less wasteful patterns of
>consumption, and fewer artificial barriers between peoples.
>
>>    I think South Africa is on its way down the toilet, and you 
>> will be as silent about it in ten years as you are now about 
>> those wonderful independent countries you were once so proud of 
>> to the north of the Republic.
>> 
>
>We'll see. Compared with North America, South East Asia, Oceania, and
>Western Europe, Africa looks rather sad. Compared, however, to a
>substantial part of Latin America as well as many republics of the former
>Soviet Union and, unfortunately, the American-destroyed mess that is now
>Iraq, several parts of Africa look quite reasonable. At least we know that
>in South Africa 15% of the population won't have a lifestyle that requires
>85% of the national swag to maintain.
>
>
>>    I repeat the point you never address: you always know who 
>> whites are when you want what they got, nad you demand on the 
>> basis of white sin.
>> 
>
>Yes. These are the whites that constructed the systems of colonialism and
>accompoanying racism that allowed them to make a great leap forward with
>respect to the rest of mankind. They lived in Great Britain, Spain,
>Portugal, France, Belgium, the Netherlands, Italy, Germany,
>Denmark(-Norway), and Sweden (those being the countries that tried their
>hands at building overseas colonial empires). A different kind of colonial
>empire was contructed by the( Russians >) Soviets (>Russians) to enslave
>'poor white' nationalities such as Romanians, Bulgarians, Armenians,
>Georgians, Ukrainians, Chechens, Tatars, Tajiks, Azeris, Uzbeks, etc.
>which many American white nationalists don't even regard as white. If it's
>of any consolation to you, Whites have treated their 'white' colonial
>charges just as badly as they have their non-white charges. So I am by no
>means anti-white, I am against privilege and and advantage being ascribed
>to a 'race' and justified as the natural consequence of its 'inherent
>superiority' rather than related to their true source: the evil system of
>dehumanization, exploitation, and genocide known as colonialism which
>enable a subset within a race to force the world to live as it dictated.
>
>
>
>We have spoken. 
>
>
>Eugene the Curly-headed
>King of alt.politics.white-power, Protector of our Aryan heritage,
>Defender of the English language, etc. etc. etc.




From bwhit@conterra.com Tue Aug 27 09:03:38 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
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christop@ifi.uio.no (Christopher Henrik Lund) wrote:
>
>In article <4vl1tk$2gh@molokini.conterra.com>, bob whitaker  writes:
>> christop@ifi.uio.no (Christopher Henrik Lund) wrote:
>> >
>> >In article <4vfjv5$4gs@molokini.conterra.com>, bob whitaker  writes:
>> >> christop@ifi.uio.no (Christopher Henrik Lund) wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >In article <4vd6l8$ac3@molokini.conterra.com>, bob whitaker  writes:
>> >> >> Laura Finsten  wrote:
>> >> >> >bob whitaker  wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >	[rant & rave]
>> >> >
>> >> >>     Genocide applied to my race is still genocide.
>> >> >
>> >> >And what "race" is that, bobby?
>> >> 
>> >>      You're a good boy.
>> >> 
>> >
>> >You don't like answering all those tough questions, do you...
>> 
>> 
>>      You're a good boy.
>> 
>
>Is this a new mantra of some kind?
>
>
>
>	C. Lund, Oslo	http://www.ifi.uio.no/~christop/shame.html


     I'm sorry.  I just have real difficulty believing that 
even a Politically Correct clone can't figure out what "good 
boy" means.  You people really can't think AT all, can you?
     OK, hold your mouth open, here comes the spoon.
     You are a post-World War II European good boy.  You have 
been raised and trained in the doctrine of antiracism  against 
the evil on the other side, who have been presented to you as 
Nazis Who Want to Kill Six Million Jews.
     You even have Hate Laws which jail people for having Evil 
Opinions.
     Your reaction to all this is to repeat all the cliches 
you've heard, having swallowed them whole.
     A good boy in Stalin's Soviet Union would have quoted 
those cliches and reported the Evil Traitors to the KGB.  Under 
Hitler, a good boy would have reported hiding Jews, and 
repeated those cliches.




From bwhit@conterra.com Tue Aug 27 10:25:17 PDT 1996
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     Lenin followed the Czar.
     Many years ago, I read a book named *Russia* by a man 
named Gautier, which was published in 1902.   It was an 
interesting description of the Russia of the time, by a man who 
was obviously a well-informed visitor.
     There was almost nothing  about politics in the book.
     Then, int he last paragraph of the book, Gautier said 
something that he apparently assumed most knowledgeable people 
of his day already knew:
     He predicted a revolution that would dwarf the French 
Revolution in its horror and societal effects.
     The stage was set for Lenin's revolution by the Czarist 
regime.  On this stage, Lenin followed the Czar as naturally as 
night follows day.
      To a clone, or to anyone else whose knowledge of history 
consists of a Politically Correct drill, the idea that Lenin 
naturally followed the Czar seems like the beginnings of 
heresy.   After all, the Czar was on the right, and Lenin was 
far left, os how could they be related?
      But anyone with an education which includes history has 
no trouble with it.
      Even Marx understood this simple lesson well enough.   He 
advocated and predicted violent class revolution for Europe, 
and certainly for the even more reactionary Russia, but he 
lived in America, and he and Engels agreed that its open 
society would probably move into socialism by evolution.
       For most literate people, this is belaboring the 
obvious.  But not for the clones.  I started explaining this to 
the clones a while back, and all hell broke loose.
       The clone crew started trying to explain to me I was 
mixing up right and left, Lenin and Hitler.
       Well, for the benefit of the non-clones,.let me 
continue.
        By 1933, Lenin Reds had a huge presence in Germany, and 
 Hitler's Nazis had grown up as their totalitarian opposite.  
In that year, the Communists and National Socialists, cobined, 
had a majority in the Weimar Republic's Bundestag.   In order 
to form a government, on eof these totalitarian groups had to 
be brought into the government.
        The rest is history, weritten in blood.
        You can usually tell how far left a group is, how near 
the totalitarian left, by how often they repeat that all the 
opposition is fascist.   Likewise, the far right is very, very 
free with the label Communist.
         This is no accident.  Each potential despot justifies 
itself by the using hte other as an excuse.
         So Lenin followed the Czar and Hitler followed Lenin. 
  In this hideous parade, who are the true followers of Hitler?
         The drill we call Political Correctness tells us that 
the dangerous followers of hitler are on the right, with 
Hitler's racial ideas.   But an educated person would predict 
that the potential tyrants of the post-World War II period 
would come in reaction to Hitler, using him and his ideas as an 
excuse for suppressing all opposition.
         If Hitler was a pro-white racist, his legitimate 
followers will be anti-white.
         Hitler's true followers will tell us that anyone who 
opposes them is A Nazi Who Wants To Kill Six Million Jews.
          



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holman@elo.helsinki.fi (Eugene Holman) wrote:
>In article <4vnahe$o4t@molokini.conterra.com>, bob whitaker
> wrote:
>
>> holman@elo.helsinki.fi (Eugene Holman) wrote:
>>
>> >I don't see anyone doing any 'allowing' or 'forbidding',
>> 
>>    Loyal Soviet citizens used to say they had freedom of 
>> speech, too, because they were allowed to say anything they 
>> actually wanted to say.   You are saying here that you have 
>> never heard all the screams of "You Are a Nazi Who Wants to 
>> Kill Six Million Jews" at anyone who disagrees with 
>> establishment racial doctrine.  
>
>Of course I've heard them. But I don't identify 'Nazis' with 'people with
>a concern for the "white" race'.

    Putting quotes around white in this context is aLOT nastier 
than screaming Nazi, which is old hat.
    What if someone had gotten word that their adopted child 
was dying.  Would you write them a note saying "I'm sorry that 
the person you call "your child" is dying."
    Here you recognize that we racists have feelings, and our 
beautiful race is being immigrated and integrated out of 
existence.  Then you say our "race".  




 The Nazis knew what they were after:
>Germans were best, everyone else was potential grist for the meatgrinder.
>They had the decency to publish the Nuremberg Laws making quite clear who
>was on their shit list and who wasn't. During the 1960s the American
>states that maintained legal separation of the races had civil codes
>defining who is 'white' and who is not. Unfortunately, the same person
>could be 'white' in one state and 'non-white' in another, since such
>varying criteria as the 'one drop' rule, the 'who you look like' rule, and
>the 'Hindus and Pakistanis are not white' rule were used or not used,
>depending on where you were.
>
>In short, nobody is denying or questioning your right to be proud of or
>have concern for the 'white' race. What is being questioned is how that
>race is delimited from other races with particular attention denoted to
>the issues of individuals of mixed race (How can the 'one drop' rule be
>defended?, Why should someone who is 15/16 'white' be regarded as
>non-white?) and Europeans from the more southerly and eastern part of the
>continent who tend to be swarthy and have other 'non-Aryan' features such
>as black hair and brown eyes. Albanians, Romanians, Turks, Moldovans,
>Bulgarians, Armenians. Georgians. and Gypsies account for tens of millions
>of Europeans, so we're not dealing with a handful of exceptions. One
>popular anthropologically-based view of the 'white' (or Caucasoid) race is
>that is extends through the near east into India and Pakistan, this view
>being reflected in the term Caucasian, referring to the area presently
>inhabited by the Georgians, Chechens, Armenians, Degestanis, Abkhazes -
>all swarthy, dark-haired peoples - once regarded as the area where the
>best and most typical examples of the 'white' race were to be found. It is
>obviously in conflict with the view of the old South African regime which
>regarded Indian and Middle eastern Caucasoids as 'coloreds', as well as
>with the view popular in the UK and Canada that these people (of which
>there are hundreds of millions) are not 'white'. Thus, 'white' corresponds
>not with 'Caucasoid' (because it usually excludes Indians, etc.), not with
>'European Caucasoid' (because it often excludes swarthy Europeans such as
>many Albanians, Romanians, Bulgarians, Turks, Macedonians, Turks, and
>Moldavans). not even necessarily with 'blond-haired, blue eyed European
>Caucasoid (because it would exclude someone with these characteristics if
>he or she had 1/8 or 1/16 non-'white' blood, as well as, in some peoples
>opinions, Jews by definition).
>
>So, nobody is denying your pride, we're just not sure that whatever it is
>you're proud of corresponds to any well-defined entity. If I am 7/8, 3/4
>or even 1/4 'white' why should I denied the right to be proud of what is
>also (part of) my racial heritage? These are questions that demand a
>serious answer, not flippancy.
>
>
>> Can you actually imagine a 
>> pro-white speech, a speech expressing concern about the white 
>> race being overwhelmed, being part of a campus dialogue.
>>     You think speech is free becaiuse people are allowed tos ay 
>> everything about race you feel they should be able to say.
>> 
>
>I have neither said nor implied any such thing. I welcome all opinions and
>views that are intelligently thought out and defensible. I have no love of
>the (Third Reich type) Nazis, but I have no trouble analyzing and taking a
>critical stance with respect to their views because they took the care to
>define concepts, state them clearly, and provide justification, when
>needed, for the introduction of a new concept or definition..
>
>
>>    You certainly could, and you usually do.  You are saying 
>> that the white race must be destroyed for its evil.  Being 
>> white and not a traitor-clone, I disagree.
>
>I am most certainly not saying that. The fact that the white (here no
>quotes needed because we are dealing with a well defined subset of the
>'white' race) race overwhelmed many non-white peoples in the world was
>evil, but it did not necessarily mean the destruction of these peoples.
>Canada and the US still have Indian populations, and even Australia and
>New Zealand retain some demographic remnants of the status ante quo.
>Although colonialism exacted a heavy human toll in Africa, with as many as
>100,000,000 Africans estimated to have been killed during the more than
>three centuries slavery was practiced, one positive result was a stronger
>Africa with an educated elite as cultivated and capable as any anyehere.
>No race has a monopoly on good or evil, barbarism or savagery.That's why
>it's so stupid, and sad, I have to say, to view the world in terms of a
>struggle between one race wanting to 'destroy' another one because of the
>evils committed by some of its representatives.
>
>
>
>>    While we're discussing guilt, what about the reward whites 
>> should get for being the only race in history to free its 
>> slaves(whites abolished slavery in non-white countries).  What 
>> is our reward for getting the worms our of your childrens' 
>> stomaches, ending smallpox, and a thousand other things.   
>> Would you really like to live in a world without white 
>> accomplishments?
>>     You want what whitey's got, and guilt is the only way to 
>> get it. 
>> 
>> 
>
>I'm grateful for the achievements of European civilization, but I also
>realize that the advantages in resources, living space, intellectual
>freedom, and just plain time to think without having to devote all one's
>energies to the day-to-day tsks of surviving were in more cases than you
>obviosuly care to realize, exacted from other peoples in the form of slave
>labor, territories conquered, and resources purloined. The people who did
>most of the work were, admittedly, white; the people who supplied many of
>the opportunities making it possible to get the work done were not
>necessarily white, although many were. It's the same thing, by the way,
>with historiography. We tend to think of history in terms of the
>contributions made by white, usually aggressive males. The framemwork that
>allowed them their place on the stage of history, though, was often
>provided by their womenfolk, their exploited laborers or slaves, and
>spoils taken from indigenous peoples fighting to defend their homelands
>against invaders.
>
>
>>    Exactly.  We don't owe you a damned thing.
>
>When the world economy functions so that 10% of the population accounts
>for 90% of the consumption common sense should tell you that something
>will have to give, that such a system cannot be sustained without violence
>on the part of both parties. And if you are manipulating the market to
>maintain this n90%/10% figure, you can be damned sure that there will be
>demands for compensation once the market is adjusted.
>
>> >
>> >Colonialism was motivated by the desire on the part of Europeans to better
>> >their lot by gaining access to and exploiting resources they did not have
>> >in their ancestral homelands by hornswoggling them from people they
>> >considered gullible or inferior: it was a cynical form of economic migration
>> >spiced with slavery and genocide. Some people in the third world regard
>> >the first world as being at least to some degree the result of the
>> >resources and manpower usurped from their ancestors, their economic
>> >migration is motivated by their desiure to have a piece of what can be
>> >justifiably argued was built using resources and manpower which are
>> >partially their birthright.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>    Everybody feels like they deserve everything someone else 
>> has.
>> 
>>
>
>>    Zimbabwe was over 4% white when I lived there and it was 
>> Rhodesia.
>> 
>
>(Commenting on statistics about white populations in 'old black' countries.
>
>>    What a pathetic charade!   This is a tiny portion of the 
>> world's blacks, and a bare touch of non-blacks there.  You want 
>> every white majority country "diversified", ie, made brown.  
>> Anyone who can see any comparison is not worth talking to.
>> 
>
>
>You certainly felt that you had the right to 'diversify' Rhodesia when you
>were living there. the 4% white statistic you give for the Rhodesia of
>your youth surpasses the number of balcks in any of the countries you
>claim are being 'flooded', except the US and the
>UK.                                                                                                                                =
                                                                                                              
>
>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >The former French colonies of Congo, Ivory Coast, and the Central African
>> >Republic, as well as Kenya, Ghana, Uganda and Zaire were noted to have
>> >white populations ranging between 30,000 and 500,000, not enough to be
>> >significant in the sense given above, but large enough to be visible and
>> >carry some societal clout.
>> 
>>     Screw societal clout.  I am talking about genocide.
>
>
>Most of thse people, including the ones who've stayed on in (Rhodesia >)
>Zimbabe, are now working as teachers, physicians, government advisors,
>businessmen, ranchers; making a contribution to the society in which they
>live without, however, many of of the perks of 'white privilege' which
>they use to have. How, pray tell, does this amount to genocide?
>
>> 
>>     We're back to the "I want what you got" theme.  Damn few 
>> whites want to go into non-white lands, and hundreds of 
>> millions of non-hites want to go into white lands.  Do you 
>> really think anyone is not aware of the difference?
>> 
>
>I'd rather say paraphrase you as 'damn few people want to go to developing
>economies, whereas lots of people want to go to developed ones.' It's
>economic self interest, not visions of racial armageddon, which cause
>people to migrate. If I lived in a developing economy, but had acquired
>the professional skills to live in a developed one, no matter what my skin
>color or that of the majority of the people running the nearest one, I'd
>make every effort to do so, particularly if, as is often the case, the
>country in which I live is 'developing' or 'underdeveloped' because its
>ruling circles were in cahoots with Washington and London to ensure a
>steady supply of cheap raw materials and semi-skilled labor. We've seen
>how quickly and violently the developed world reacts when third world
>countries try to exact what they consider to be a fair price for their raw
>materials exports. If I have virtually no possibility of living the type
>of life I think I am capable of achieving in my home country, I'm damn
>well going to try to go to a country where I can. There is no reason I
>should accept a situation in which 10% of the population accounts for 90%
>of the consumption.
>
>
>> 
>>  Argentina, Australia,
>> >Canada, New Zealand, and the United States offer perhaps the best examples
>> >of this scenario. Luckily, few can or desire to equal the Europeans when
>> >it comes to genocidal savagery, ethnocentric arrogance, or iniquitous
>> >avarice.
>> 
>
>>     You're back on your "Whitey must be punished!   So gimme!" 
>> line.  As usual, you spend half your time saying it and half 
>> your time denying you say it.
>> 
>
>These countries where made 'primarily, but not exclusively, white' by a
>combination of *ethnic cleansing*, in which not only whites were involved,
>and *demographic engineering*, which favored (certain types of) white
>immigration. The Americans finally understood the unfairness of this
>during the 1960s, when national quotas of the type which had prevailed
>since the 1920s were abolished and a more representative sample of the
>world's population was allowed to immigrate - it is the 'land of
>opportunity'.
> 
>> 
>>    Actually, South Africa under apartheid was the only livable 
>> country in Africa. 
>
>For the 15% of the population that lorded it over everyone else.
>
>> You know, but you will never voluntarily 
>> say, that one problem the Republic had was large-scale illegal 
>> black immigration from those wonderful free paradises north of 
>> them.
>
>Not for the living conditions, which were typically atrocious for migrant
>workers, illegal or not, but rather for the chance to make a salary in a
>semi-first world economy.
>
>>    You people used to talk about how great Africa would  be 
>> once it was independent.  You don't talk about that, nor does 
>> the press ask what happened to all that talk.
>
>I have no particular interest in Africa, being American born and a
>resident of Europe for many years. I do, however, have a serious interest
>in relations between the developed and the developing world. These are
>issues involving things much more important than race: a more equal
>division of the world's wealth and resources, less wasteful patterns of
>consumption, and fewer artificial barriers between peoples.
>
>>    I think South Africa is on its way down the toilet, and you 
>> will be as silent about it in ten years as you are now about 
>> those wonderful independent countries you were once so proud of 
>> to the north of the Republic.
>> 
>
>We'll see. Compared with North America, South East Asia, Oceania, and
>Western Europe, Africa looks rather sad. Compared, however, to a
>substantial part of Latin America as well as many republics of the former
>Soviet Union and, unfortunately, the American-destroyed mess that is now
>Iraq, several parts of Africa look quite reasonable. At least we know that
>in South Africa 15% of the population won't have a lifestyle that requires
>85% of the national swag to maintain.
>
>
>>    I repeat the point you never address: you always know who 
>> whites are when you want what they got, nad you demand on the 
>> basis of white sin.
>> 
>
>Yes. These are the whites that constructed the systems of colonialism and
>accompoanying racism that allowed them to make a great leap forward with
>respect to the rest of mankind. They lived in Great Britain, Spain,
>Portugal, France, Belgium, the Netherlands, Italy, Germany,
>Denmark(-Norway), and Sweden (those being the countries that tried their
>hands at building overseas colonial empires). A different kind of colonial
>empire was contructed by the( Russians >) Soviets (>Russians) to enslave
>'poor white' nationalities such as Romanians, Bulgarians, Armenians,
>Georgians, Ukrainians, Chechens, Tatars, Tajiks, Azeris, Uzbeks, etc.
>which many American white nationalists don't even regard as white. If it's
>of any consolation to you, Whites have treated their 'white' colonial
>charges just as badly as they have their non-white charges. So I am by no
>means anti-white, I am against privilege and and advantage being ascribed
>to a 'race' and justified as the natural consequence of its 'inherent
>superiority' rather than related to their true source: the evil system of
>dehumanization, exploitation, and genocide known as colonialism which
>enable a subset within a race to force the world to live as it dictated.
>
>
>
>We have spoken. 
>
>
>Eugene the Curly-headed
>King of alt.politics.white-power, Protector of our Aryan heritage,
>Defender of the English language, etc. etc. etc.




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From: bob whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white,talk.politics.misc,soc.culture.usa,alt.discrimination
Subject: Re: Conflicts in White Nationalist thought, Mr. Strom?
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hmurdock@inreach.com (H. Murdock) wrote:
>I
>
>> In article <32203971.2E0@ix.netcom.com> Kevin Alfred Strom
> writes:
>> 
>> >Actually, eugenics is the best and only answer, in the long term, to 
>> >society's problems.
>
>Eugenics is the law of natural selection, AKA survival of the fittest.  As
>one who enjoys the outdoors, I see this on a regular basis.  I believe
>that those pf us who live in cities can lose touch with the fact that we
>humans are part of nature, and cannot disconnect ourselves from the laws
>that govern the rest of nature. 
>> And that pretty much says all one needs to know about Mr. Strom, neh?
>
>Why not direct your comments to what's right or wrong, instead of who's
>right and wrong?
>> 
 


    You know the answer to that.  This clown is one of the 
full-time Holocausters, so he only has one comment, with slight 
variations, on everything:  If you are worried about the white 
race or eugenics or are a vegetarian, youa re like Hitler and 
so you are A Nazi Who Wants To Kill Six Million Jews.
     


 
---------------------------------------------------------------
>> http://www.winternet.com/~joelr
>> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN%3D0380973227/joelrosenbergA/
>> ...and for the last bit of geekitry:  to receive the latest version of
>my FAQ, 
>> send me a message with the phrase "your FAQ" anywhere in the subject line.




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From: bob whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white,talk.politics.misc,soc.culture.usa,alt.discrimination
Subject: Re: Conflicts in White Nationalist thought, Mr. Strom?
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hmurdock@inreach.com (H. Murdock) wrote:
>I
>
>> In article <32203971.2E0@ix.netcom.com> Kevin Alfred Strom
> writes:
>> 
>> >Actually, eugenics is the best and only answer, in the long term, to 
>> >society's problems.
>
>Eugenics is the law of natural selection, AKA survival of the fittest.  As
>one who enjoys the outdoors, I see this on a regular basis.  I believe
>that those pf us who live in cities can lose touch with the fact that we
>humans are part of nature, and cannot disconnect ourselves from the laws
>that govern the rest of nature. 
>> And that pretty much says all one needs to know about Mr. Strom, neh?
>
>Why not direct your comments to what's right or wrong, instead of who's
>right and wrong?
>> 
 


    You know the answer to that.  This clown is one of the 
full-time Holocausters, so he only has one comment, with slight 
variations, on everything:  If you are worried about the white 
race or eugenics or are a vegetarian, youa re like Hitler and 
so you are A Nazi Who Wants To Kill Six Million Jews.
     


 
---------------------------------------------------------------
>> http://www.winternet.com/~joelr
>> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN%3D0380973227/joelrosenbergA/
>> ...and for the last bit of geekitry:  to receive the latest version of
>my FAQ, 
>> send me a message with the phrase "your FAQ" anywhere in the subject line.




From bwhit@conterra.com Tue Aug 27 20:57:41 PDT 1996
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pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu (Philip Kasiecki) wrote:
>bob whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
>:    Well, I see you clones have settled down to lecturing each 
>: other on racism, just like Mommy Professor.
>:    At least in this case I don't have to pay for this crap.
>
>    No, Bob, we're sharing our thoughts on it.  You got a problem with that?
>    Idiot.
>


   As I say, just as long as, for this one time, you don't 
demand my tax money to do your repetititons, repeat waway!






>        Phil "he's one hopeless fuck" Kasiecki
>
>--
>Philip T. Kasiecki
>Electrical and Computer Engineering
>Northeastern University Class of 1999
>
>"The supreme human law is love."
>-Saint Augustine
>
>"Take time to love...it is the one sacrament of life."
>-The Treasure Chest




From bwhit@conterra.com Tue Aug 27 21:14:35 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
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Subject: Re: Conflicts in White Nationalist thought, Mr. Strom?
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hmurdock@inreach.com (H. Murdock) wrote:
>I
>
>> In article <32203971.2E0@ix.netcom.com> Kevin Alfred Strom
> writes:
>> 
>> >Actually, eugenics is the best and only answer, in the long term, to 
>> >society's problems.
>
>Eugenics is the law of natural selection, AKA survival of the fittest.  As
>one who enjoys the outdoors, I see this on a regular basis.  I believe
>that those pf us who live in cities can lose touch with the fact that we
>humans are part of nature, and cannot disconnect ourselves from the laws
>that govern the rest of nature. 
>> And that pretty much says all one needs to know about Mr. Strom, neh?
>
>Why not direct your comments to what's right or wrong, instead of who's
>right and wrong?
>> 
 


    You know the answer to that.  This clown is one of the 
full-time Holocausters, so he only has one comment, with slight 
variations, on everything:  If you are worried about the white 
race or eugenics or are a vegetarian, youa re like Hitler and 
so you are A Nazi Who Wants To Kill Six Million Jews.
     


 
---------------------------------------------------------------
>> http://www.winternet.com/~joelr
>> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN%3D0380973227/joelrosenbergA/
>> ...and for the last bit of geekitry:  to receive the latest version of
>my FAQ, 
>> send me a message with the phrase "your FAQ" anywhere in the subject line.




From bwhit@conterra.com Tue Aug 27 21:18:13 PDT 1996
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libwca@larry.cc.emory.edu (william c anderson) wrote:
>bob whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
>
>:       Even Marx understood this simple lesson well enough.   He 
>: advocated and predicted violent class revolution for Europe, 
>: and certainly for the even more reactionary Russia, but he 
>: lived in America, and he and Engels agreed that its open 
>: society would probably move into socialism by evolution.
>
>First, Marx neither predicted nor advocated communist revolution for
>Russia; his entire system is predicated on the idea that a society
>must pass through the stage of capitalism before it is ready for
>communism.  
>
>Second, Marx never lived in America.  If you're going to pass yourself
>off as some sort of historical genius, Bob, it might help to get your
>basic facts right.

     You're right!   He wrote editorials for the New York 
Tribune from 1851 to 1862, but he was, as  you say, a complete 
European provincial.  My mistake.


>
>Bill




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atticus@mindspring.com (Andy Walton) wrote:
>In article <4vtgpl$a4e@molokini.conterra.com>, bob whitaker
> wrote:
>
>(snip -- book in 1902)
>
>  :     He predicted a revolution that would dwarf the French 
>  :Revolution in its horror and societal effects.
>
>Not as prescient as it might seem. The revolution very nearly happened in
>1905, but was quelched because the Czar quickly concluded the
>Russo-Japanese war and brought the troops back to restore order. In 1917,
>bringing the troops back was not an option.
>
>  :      Even Marx understood this simple lesson well enough.   He 
>  :advocated and predicted violent class revolution for Europe, 
>  :and certainly for the even more reactionary Russia, but he 
>  :lived in America, and he and Engels agreed that its open 
>  :society would probably move into socialism by evolution.
>
>Marx's formula for Communist revolution had as a precondition the
>existence of an industrial working class (Proletariat). Russia was barely
>beginning to industrialize in 1917. That is why Wilhelm decided to attack
>Russia when he did; in a few years, they could have become a threat to
>Germany.
>
>Marx never lived in America. He lived most of his life in Germany. Engels
>was English. Their respective nations, as the world's most industrialized
>at the time, were the prime candidates for Marxist revolution. But in the
>two full-scale Marxist revolutions in major economic and military powers,
>a different picture emerges -- the Russian and Chinese revolutions were
>both peasant revolutions in nations that had little bourgoise, and no
>proletariat ti speak of.
>
>And the U.S., when the Communist Manifesto was written, was still largely
>agrarian.
>
>  :       The clone crew started trying to explain to me I was 
>  :mixing up right and left, Lenin and Hitler.
>
>You probably were. Easy mistake to make.
>
>  :        You can usually tell how far left a group is, how near 
>  :the totalitarian left, by how often they repeat that all the 
>  :opposition is fascist.   Likewise, the far right is very, very 
>  :free with the label Communist.
>  :         This is no accident.  Each potential despot justifies 
>  :itself by the using hte other as an excuse.
>
>This is a common fallacious argument, the "false dilemma." The trick is to
>convince the listener to support an unpalatable idea by convincing him
>that the only alternative is something worse. Look for this in the current
>Presidential election, or any election. 
>
>  :         So Lenin followed the Czar and Hitler followed Lenin. 
>  :  In this hideous parade, who are the true followers of Hitler?
>
>Stalin, in half of Germany and just about all of Central Europe. 
>
>  :         The drill we call Political Correctness tells us that 
>  :the dangerous followers of hitler are on the right, with 
>  :Hitler's racial ideas.   But an educated person would predict 
>  :that the potential tyrants of the post-World War II period 
>  :would come in reaction to Hitler, using him and his ideas as an 
>  :excuse for suppressing all opposition.
>
>And they did. We used to call them the "U.S.S.R." Opponents of that regime
>were routinely labeled as "fascists" or "counterrevolutionaries." Sen.
>McCarthy put forth a valiant effort in trying to foist a cure worse than
>the disease in the U.S., but, fortunately, he made the poor tactical
>decision of taking on the Army, which was very politically powerful and
>very popular in the wake of W.W.II.
>
>  :         If Hitler was a pro-white racist, his legitimate 
>  :followers will be anti-white.
>
>Non sequitur. You put forth the argument that despots at one end of the
>traditionally defined left-right political spectrum are followed by
>despots of the other, in a fairly straightforward pendulum swing. But in
>this last bit, you cast aside the groundwork you laid earlier (in reaching
>a conclusion that, I hate to disappoint you, will shock no one with an
>eighth-grade education). Youve changed the axis upon which the pendulum
>swings. You could just as easily argue that "if the Nazis wore black
>uniforms, their legitimate followers will wear white uniforms." If
>Hitler's vision was one fo strong, authoritarian government, wouldn't his
>"legitimate followers" be anarchists? 
>
>  :         Hitler's true followers will tell us that anyone who 
>  :opposes them is A Nazi Who Wants To Kill Six Million Jews.
>
>Or that anyone who opposes them, by the very act of opposing them, is
>calling them a Nazi who wants to kill six million Jews. I have yet to see
>anyone say this about you, Bob. Frankly, your screams of "stop calling me
>a Nazi" are beginning to get boring, in the absence of anyone accusing you
>of genocidal intentions.


Last point first.  The reason you are not screaming "nazi" is 
because I called yo on it early.   You clones calll this 
"reading your minds", as if you had a lot of different things 
to say and it took a trick to "read your minds".  
    Everything you say is, as usual, what we all already know, 
presented from your historical drill, except for one thing.  
Marx wrote editorials for the New York Tribune from 1851 to 
1862, so I thought he lived there.  I gave him too m uch 
credit.  He was a complete European provincial, as you say.
     You say you always knew that this pendulum exists, but I 
never see anyone on your side ever say that Hitler's true 
followers could in fact be on the anti-Nazi side, just as 
Lenin's true followers were on the anti-Communist side.
     When you are called on something, you always say any idiot 
should know that, so of course you  did.  So you decry hitler's 
right-wing killings and only mention Stalin when someone forces 
you to.   Then you say, "Well, of course I know that."
      We all know about McCarthy, but you did the drill very 
well.  Hitler and McCarthy were the only bad guys in this 
century, according to the drill.
        Hitler's true followers are people like you who follow 
the drill.





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>   declaring us the nicest of the damned."      --They Might Be Giants
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nobody@REPLAY.COM (Anonymous) wrote:
>In article <4vj1j2$osq@informer1.cis.McMaster.CA>, Laura Finsten
> wrote:
>
>> Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote:
>> 
>> [...]
>> 
>> >The White race consists of the descendants of those people who replaced 
>> >the Neanderthals in Europe and surrounding territories, and who did not 
>> >mix with other races subsequently. This would encompass the founding 
>> >stock of all European nationalities, as well as those of the same race 
>> >who have occupied other territories.
>> 
>> Using that 35 year old anthropology by Carleton Coon again, Mr. Strom?
>> Do you have any idea how much work has been done on Neanderthal and
>> early Homo sapiens sapiens fossils and archaeological remains since
>> Coon's heyday?  Are you at all familiar with the evidence from human
>> population genetics in Europe that bears on the issue of the history
>> of population movements?
>> 
>> Who were the people who replaced the Neanderthals in Europe?  Were
>> they significantly different, biologically, from the people who 
>> replaced the Neanderthals of the Middle East?  If so, what is your
>> evidence?  If not, does that mean that the people of the Middle East
>> are also "white"?  What evidence is there to support the argument that
>> the Neanderthals were completely replaced (outcompeted into extinction,
>> I assume you mean by this) rather than that they were absorbed
>> (miscegenated) into the later population of H.sapiens sapiens?
>> 
>> [...]
>> 
>> "If I can't dance.....I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>>           Emma Goldman
>
>I cannot imagine anyone as intelligent and discerning, as Mr. Strom most
>obviously is, ever following the misdirected writings of a certain Mr.
>Coon.




     Professor Carleton S. Coon was a member of the Harvard 
faculty back when you had to be a real anthropologist, not just 
an anti-racist apologist, to do that.  He was also Curator of 
the Museum of Physical Anthropolgy at the University of 
Pennsylvania, consultant to the Smithsonian, president of the 
American Society of Physical Anthropologists until he was 
forced to resign for heresy, and even had his own TV series for 
a while.
     I knew Carleton S. Conn, Profesor Catrleton S, Coon was a 
friend of mine.  And you, Anonymous, are no Carleton S. Coon.
      So there!



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nobody@REPLAY.COM (Anonymous) wrote:
>In article <4vj1j2$osq@informer1.cis.McMaster.CA>, Laura Finsten
> wrote:
>
>> Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote:
>> 
>> [...]
>> 
>> >The White race consists of the descendants of those people who replaced 
>> >the Neanderthals in Europe and surrounding territories, and who did not 
>> >mix with other races subsequently. This would encompass the founding 
>> >stock of all European nationalities, as well as those of the same race 
>> >who have occupied other territories.
>> 
>> Using that 35 year old anthropology by Carleton Coon again, Mr. Strom?
>> Do you have any idea how much work has been done on Neanderthal and
>> early Homo sapiens sapiens fossils and archaeological remains since
>> Coon's heyday?  Are you at all familiar with the evidence from human
>> population genetics in Europe that bears on the issue of the history
>> of population movements?
>> 
>> Who were the people who replaced the Neanderthals in Europe?  Were
>> they significantly different, biologically, from the people who 
>> replaced the Neanderthals of the Middle East?  If so, what is your
>> evidence?  If not, does that mean that the people of the Middle East
>> are also "white"?  What evidence is there to support the argument that
>> the Neanderthals were completely replaced (outcompeted into extinction,
>> I assume you mean by this) rather than that they were absorbed
>> (miscegenated) into the later population of H.sapiens sapiens?
>> 
>> [...]
>> 
>> "If I can't dance.....I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>>           Emma Goldman
>
>I cannot imagine anyone as intelligent and discerning, as Mr. Strom most
>obviously is, ever following the misdirected writings of a certain Mr.
>Coon.




     Professor Carleton S. Coon was a member of the Harvard 
faculty back when you had to be a real anthropologist, not just 
an anti-racist apologist, to do that.  He was also Curator of 
the Museum of Physical Anthropolgy at the University of 
Pennsylvania, consultant to the Smithsonian, president of the 
American Society of Physical Anthropologists until he was 
forced to resign for heresy, and even had his own TV series for 
a while.
     I knew Carleton S. Conn, Profesor Catrleton S, Coon was a 
friend of mine.  And you, Anonymous, are no Carleton S. Coon.
      So there!



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libwca@larry.cc.emory.edu (william c anderson) wrote:
>bob whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
>
>:       Even Marx understood this simple lesson well enough.   He 
>: advocated and predicted violent class revolution for Europe, 
>: and certainly for the even more reactionary Russia, but he 
>: lived in America, and he and Engels agreed that its open 
>: society would probably move into socialism by evolution.
>
>First, Marx neither predicted nor advocated communist revolution for
>Russia; his entire system is predicated on the idea that a society
>must pass through the stage of capitalism before it is ready for
>communism.  
>
>Second, Marx never lived in America.  If you're going to pass yourself
>off as some sort of historical genius, Bob, it might help to get your
>basic facts right.

     You're right!   He wrote editorials for the New York 
Tribune from 1851 to 1862, but he was, as  you say, a complete 
European provincial.  My mistake.


>
>Bill




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atticus@mindspring.com (Andy Walton) wrote:
>In article <4vtgpl$a4e@molokini.conterra.com>, bob whitaker
> wrote:
>
>(snip -- book in 1902)
>
>  :     He predicted a revolution that would dwarf the French 
>  :Revolution in its horror and societal effects.
>
>Not as prescient as it might seem. The revolution very nearly happened in
>1905, but was quelched because the Czar quickly concluded the
>Russo-Japanese war and brought the troops back to restore order. In 1917,
>bringing the troops back was not an option.
>
>  :      Even Marx understood this simple lesson well enough.   He 
>  :advocated and predicted violent class revolution for Europe, 
>  :and certainly for the even more reactionary Russia, but he 
>  :lived in America, and he and Engels agreed that its open 
>  :society would probably move into socialism by evolution.
>
>Marx's formula for Communist revolution had as a precondition the
>existence of an industrial working class (Proletariat). Russia was barely
>beginning to industrialize in 1917. That is why Wilhelm decided to attack
>Russia when he did; in a few years, they could have become a threat to
>Germany.
>
>Marx never lived in America. He lived most of his life in Germany. Engels
>was English. Their respective nations, as the world's most industrialized
>at the time, were the prime candidates for Marxist revolution. But in the
>two full-scale Marxist revolutions in major economic and military powers,
>a different picture emerges -- the Russian and Chinese revolutions were
>both peasant revolutions in nations that had little bourgoise, and no
>proletariat ti speak of.
>
>And the U.S., when the Communist Manifesto was written, was still largely
>agrarian.
>
>  :       The clone crew started trying to explain to me I was 
>  :mixing up right and left, Lenin and Hitler.
>
>You probably were. Easy mistake to make.
>
>  :        You can usually tell how far left a group is, how near 
>  :the totalitarian left, by how often they repeat that all the 
>  :opposition is fascist.   Likewise, the far right is very, very 
>  :free with the label Communist.
>  :         This is no accident.  Each potential despot justifies 
>  :itself by the using hte other as an excuse.
>
>This is a common fallacious argument, the "false dilemma." The trick is to
>convince the listener to support an unpalatable idea by convincing him
>that the only alternative is something worse. Look for this in the current
>Presidential election, or any election. 
>
>  :         So Lenin followed the Czar and Hitler followed Lenin. 
>  :  In this hideous parade, who are the true followers of Hitler?
>
>Stalin, in half of Germany and just about all of Central Europe. 
>
>  :         The drill we call Political Correctness tells us that 
>  :the dangerous followers of hitler are on the right, with 
>  :Hitler's racial ideas.   But an educated person would predict 
>  :that the potential tyrants of the post-World War II period 
>  :would come in reaction to Hitler, using him and his ideas as an 
>  :excuse for suppressing all opposition.
>
>And they did. We used to call them the "U.S.S.R." Opponents of that regime
>were routinely labeled as "fascists" or "counterrevolutionaries." Sen.
>McCarthy put forth a valiant effort in trying to foist a cure worse than
>the disease in the U.S., but, fortunately, he made the poor tactical
>decision of taking on the Army, which was very politically powerful and
>very popular in the wake of W.W.II.
>
>  :         If Hitler was a pro-white racist, his legitimate 
>  :followers will be anti-white.
>
>Non sequitur. You put forth the argument that despots at one end of the
>traditionally defined left-right political spectrum are followed by
>despots of the other, in a fairly straightforward pendulum swing. But in
>this last bit, you cast aside the groundwork you laid earlier (in reaching
>a conclusion that, I hate to disappoint you, will shock no one with an
>eighth-grade education). Youve changed the axis upon which the pendulum
>swings. You could just as easily argue that "if the Nazis wore black
>uniforms, their legitimate followers will wear white uniforms." If
>Hitler's vision was one fo strong, authoritarian government, wouldn't his
>"legitimate followers" be anarchists? 
>
>  :         Hitler's true followers will tell us that anyone who 
>  :opposes them is A Nazi Who Wants To Kill Six Million Jews.
>
>Or that anyone who opposes them, by the very act of opposing them, is
>calling them a Nazi who wants to kill six million Jews. I have yet to see
>anyone say this about you, Bob. Frankly, your screams of "stop calling me
>a Nazi" are beginning to get boring, in the absence of anyone accusing you
>of genocidal intentions.


Last point first.  The reason you are not screaming "nazi" is 
because I called yo on it early.   You clones calll this 
"reading your minds", as if you had a lot of different things 
to say and it took a trick to "read your minds".  
    Everything you say is, as usual, what we all already know, 
presented from your historical drill, except for one thing.  
Marx wrote editorials for the New York Tribune from 1851 to 
1862, so I thought he lived there.  I gave him too m uch 
credit.  He was a complete European provincial, as you say.
     You say you always knew that this pendulum exists, but I 
never see anyone on your side ever say that Hitler's true 
followers could in fact be on the anti-Nazi side, just as 
Lenin's true followers were on the anti-Communist side.
     When you are called on something, you always say any idiot 
should know that, so of course you  did.  So you decry hitler's 
right-wing killings and only mention Stalin when someone forces 
you to.   Then you say, "Well, of course I know that."
      We all know about McCarthy, but you did the drill very 
well.  Hitler and McCarthy were the only bad guys in this 
century, according to the drill.
        Hitler's true followers are people like you who follow 
the drill.





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>   "We were once so close to heaven, Peter came out and gave us medals 
>   declaring us the nicest of the damned."      --They Might Be Giants
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From bwhit@conterra.com Wed Aug 28 00:59:44 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.discrimination,alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white
Subject: Re: Racist Education 3: On the College Campus
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rcgraves@ix.netcom.com (Rich Graves) wrote:
>bob whitaker  writes:
>>   Well, I see you clones have settled down to lecturing each 
>>other on racism, just like Mommy Professor.
>>   At least in this case I don't have to pay for this crap.
>
>Why am I dubious that Mr. Whitaker attended college?
>

   The answer to that is very simple: that is what your 
Politically Correct Mommy Professor taught you to day about 
anybody who disagreed with him.
   I taught college, like so many of your Mommy Professor's 
opponents did.
   The difference is, I make a living outside.



>-rich




From bwhit@conterra.com Wed Aug 28 01:03:25 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
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libwca@larry.cc.emory.edu (william c anderson) wrote:
>bob whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
>
>:       Even Marx understood this simple lesson well enough.   He 
>: advocated and predicted violent class revolution for Europe, 
>: and certainly for the even more reactionary Russia, but he 
>: lived in America, and he and Engels agreed that its open 
>: society would probably move into socialism by evolution.
>
>First, Marx neither predicted nor advocated communist revolution for
>Russia; his entire system is predicated on the idea that a society
>must pass through the stage of capitalism before it is ready for
>communism.  
>
>Second, Marx never lived in America.  If you're going to pass yourself
>off as some sort of historical genius, Bob, it might help to get your
>basic facts right.

     You're right!   He wrote editorials for the New York 
Tribune from 1851 to 1862, but he was, as  you say, a complete 
European provincial.  My mistake.


>
>Bill




From bwhit@conterra.com Wed Aug 28 01:03:26 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
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atticus@mindspring.com (Andy Walton) wrote:
>In article <4vtgpl$a4e@molokini.conterra.com>, bob whitaker
> wrote:
>
>(snip -- book in 1902)
>
>  :     He predicted a revolution that would dwarf the French 
>  :Revolution in its horror and societal effects.
>
>Not as prescient as it might seem. The revolution very nearly happened in
>1905, but was quelched because the Czar quickly concluded the
>Russo-Japanese war and brought the troops back to restore order. In 1917,
>bringing the troops back was not an option.
>
>  :      Even Marx understood this simple lesson well enough.   He 
>  :advocated and predicted violent class revolution for Europe, 
>  :and certainly for the even more reactionary Russia, but he 
>  :lived in America, and he and Engels agreed that its open 
>  :society would probably move into socialism by evolution.
>
>Marx's formula for Communist revolution had as a precondition the
>existence of an industrial working class (Proletariat). Russia was barely
>beginning to industrialize in 1917. That is why Wilhelm decided to attack
>Russia when he did; in a few years, they could have become a threat to
>Germany.
>
>Marx never lived in America. He lived most of his life in Germany. Engels
>was English. Their respective nations, as the world's most industrialized
>at the time, were the prime candidates for Marxist revolution. But in the
>two full-scale Marxist revolutions in major economic and military powers,
>a different picture emerges -- the Russian and Chinese revolutions were
>both peasant revolutions in nations that had little bourgoise, and no
>proletariat ti speak of.
>
>And the U.S., when the Communist Manifesto was written, was still largely
>agrarian.
>
>  :       The clone crew started trying to explain to me I was 
>  :mixing up right and left, Lenin and Hitler.
>
>You probably were. Easy mistake to make.
>
>  :        You can usually tell how far left a group is, how near 
>  :the totalitarian left, by how often they repeat that all the 
>  :opposition is fascist.   Likewise, the far right is very, very 
>  :free with the label Communist.
>  :         This is no accident.  Each potential despot justifies 
>  :itself by the using hte other as an excuse.
>
>This is a common fallacious argument, the "false dilemma." The trick is to
>convince the listener to support an unpalatable idea by convincing him
>that the only alternative is something worse. Look for this in the current
>Presidential election, or any election. 
>
>  :         So Lenin followed the Czar and Hitler followed Lenin. 
>  :  In this hideous parade, who are the true followers of Hitler?
>
>Stalin, in half of Germany and just about all of Central Europe. 
>
>  :         The drill we call Political Correctness tells us that 
>  :the dangerous followers of hitler are on the right, with 
>  :Hitler's racial ideas.   But an educated person would predict 
>  :that the potential tyrants of the post-World War II period 
>  :would come in reaction to Hitler, using him and his ideas as an 
>  :excuse for suppressing all opposition.
>
>And they did. We used to call them the "U.S.S.R." Opponents of that regime
>were routinely labeled as "fascists" or "counterrevolutionaries." Sen.
>McCarthy put forth a valiant effort in trying to foist a cure worse than
>the disease in the U.S., but, fortunately, he made the poor tactical
>decision of taking on the Army, which was very politically powerful and
>very popular in the wake of W.W.II.
>
>  :         If Hitler was a pro-white racist, his legitimate 
>  :followers will be anti-white.
>
>Non sequitur. You put forth the argument that despots at one end of the
>traditionally defined left-right political spectrum are followed by
>despots of the other, in a fairly straightforward pendulum swing. But in
>this last bit, you cast aside the groundwork you laid earlier (in reaching
>a conclusion that, I hate to disappoint you, will shock no one with an
>eighth-grade education). Youve changed the axis upon which the pendulum
>swings. You could just as easily argue that "if the Nazis wore black
>uniforms, their legitimate followers will wear white uniforms." If
>Hitler's vision was one fo strong, authoritarian government, wouldn't his
>"legitimate followers" be anarchists? 
>
>  :         Hitler's true followers will tell us that anyone who 
>  :opposes them is A Nazi Who Wants To Kill Six Million Jews.
>
>Or that anyone who opposes them, by the very act of opposing them, is
>calling them a Nazi who wants to kill six million Jews. I have yet to see
>anyone say this about you, Bob. Frankly, your screams of "stop calling me
>a Nazi" are beginning to get boring, in the absence of anyone accusing you
>of genocidal intentions.


Last point first.  The reason you are not screaming "nazi" is 
because I called yo on it early.   You clones calll this 
"reading your minds", as if you had a lot of different things 
to say and it took a trick to "read your minds".  
    Everything you say is, as usual, what we all already know, 
presented from your historical drill, except for one thing.  
Marx wrote editorials for the New York Tribune from 1851 to 
1862, so I thought he lived there.  I gave him too m uch 
credit.  He was a complete European provincial, as you say.
     You say you always knew that this pendulum exists, but I 
never see anyone on your side ever say that Hitler's true 
followers could in fact be on the anti-Nazi side, just as 
Lenin's true followers were on the anti-Communist side.
     When you are called on something, you always say any idiot 
should know that, so of course you  did.  So you decry hitler's 
right-wing killings and only mention Stalin when someone forces 
you to.   Then you say, "Well, of course I know that."
      We all know about McCarthy, but you did the drill very 
well.  Hitler and McCarthy were the only bad guys in this 
century, according to the drill.
        Hitler's true followers are people like you who follow 
the drill.





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>   declaring us the nicest of the damned."      --They Might Be Giants
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From bwhit@conterra.com Wed Aug 28 01:03:28 PDT 1996
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"Spark/Thomas J. Miller jr."  wrote:
>Lester John Ness wrote:
>> 
>>         If you lie down with dogs, you'll get up with fleas.  Hang around
>> with Nazis, and people will figure you're a Nazi, too.
>> 
>> --
>> Lester Ness     lness@indiana.edu
>
>"Can't Shake the Devil's Hand and say you're only kidding"
>                             -They Might Be Giants / "Your Racist Friend"
>
>"Can't toy with an idea without being somehow stained by it." 
>       -Me on the subject of entertaining any admiration for any tyranny.

   If you coulld read, you would see I am saying that tyranny 
is denouncing ideas, as you do.


>
>A Simple Opinion. 
>-- 
>x-Signature: T J Miller jr:
>
>"For a price I'd do about anything, except pull the trigger/
>for that I'd need a pretty good cause...."
>
>                          -Queensryche/ "Anarchy-X"
>
>Formerly of the 37th TFW, USAF.   Now in Springdale Ark.


     This is how all the clones get started.  Then, after it 
has been repeatedly shown them how silly and tiresome all this 
"You're A Nazi Who Wants To Kill Six Million Jews" crap is, 
they start denying it.



From bwhit@conterra.com Wed Aug 28 01:08:08 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Putting Quotations Around "White", Another DUHH! Tactic
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nobody@REPLAY.COM (Anonymous) wrote:
>In article <4vj1j2$osq@informer1.cis.McMaster.CA>, Laura Finsten
> wrote:
>
>> Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote:
>> 
>> [...]
>> 
>> >The White race consists of the descendants of those people who replaced 
>> >the Neanderthals in Europe and surrounding territories, and who did not 
>> >mix with other races subsequently. This would encompass the founding 
>> >stock of all European nationalities, as well as those of the same race 
>> >who have occupied other territories.
>> 
>> Using that 35 year old anthropology by Carleton Coon again, Mr. Strom?
>> Do you have any idea how much work has been done on Neanderthal and
>> early Homo sapiens sapiens fossils and archaeological remains since
>> Coon's heyday?  Are you at all familiar with the evidence from human
>> population genetics in Europe that bears on the issue of the history
>> of population movements?
>> 
>> Who were the people who replaced the Neanderthals in Europe?  Were
>> they significantly different, biologically, from the people who 
>> replaced the Neanderthals of the Middle East?  If so, what is your
>> evidence?  If not, does that mean that the people of the Middle East
>> are also "white"?  What evidence is there to support the argument that
>> the Neanderthals were completely replaced (outcompeted into extinction,
>> I assume you mean by this) rather than that they were absorbed
>> (miscegenated) into the later population of H.sapiens sapiens?
>> 
>> [...]
>> 
>> "If I can't dance.....I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>>           Emma Goldman
>
>I cannot imagine anyone as intelligent and discerning, as Mr. Strom most
>obviously is, ever following the misdirected writings of a certain Mr.
>Coon.




     Professor Carleton S. Coon was a member of the Harvard 
faculty back when you had to be a real anthropologist, not just 
an anti-racist apologist, to do that.  He was also Curator of 
the Museum of Physical Anthropolgy at the University of 
Pennsylvania, consultant to the Smithsonian, president of the 
American Society of Physical Anthropologists until he was 
forced to resign for heresy, and even had his own TV series for 
a while.
     I knew Carleton S. Conn, Profesor Catrleton S, Coon was a 
friend of mine.  And you, Anonymous, are no Carleton S. Coon.
      So there!



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nobody@REPLAY.COM (Anonymous) wrote:
>In article <4vj1j2$osq@informer1.cis.McMaster.CA>, Laura Finsten
> wrote:
>
>> Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote:
>> 
>> [...]
>> 
>> >The White race consists of the descendants of those people who replaced 
>> >the Neanderthals in Europe and surrounding territories, and who did not 
>> >mix with other races subsequently. This would encompass the founding 
>> >stock of all European nationalities, as well as those of the same race 
>> >who have occupied other territories.
>> 
>> Using that 35 year old anthropology by Carleton Coon again, Mr. Strom?
>> Do you have any idea how much work has been done on Neanderthal and
>> early Homo sapiens sapiens fossils and archaeological remains since
>> Coon's heyday?  Are you at all familiar with the evidence from human
>> population genetics in Europe that bears on the issue of the history
>> of population movements?
>> 
>> Who were the people who replaced the Neanderthals in Europe?  Were
>> they significantly different, biologically, from the people who 
>> replaced the Neanderthals of the Middle East?  If so, what is your
>> evidence?  If not, does that mean that the people of the Middle East
>> are also "white"?  What evidence is there to support the argument that
>> the Neanderthals were completely replaced (outcompeted into extinction,
>> I assume you mean by this) rather than that they were absorbed
>> (miscegenated) into the later population of H.sapiens sapiens?
>> 
>> [...]
>> 
>> "If I can't dance.....I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>>           Emma Goldman
>
>I cannot imagine anyone as intelligent and discerning, as Mr. Strom most
>obviously is, ever following the misdirected writings of a certain Mr.
>Coon.




     Professor Carleton S. Coon was a member of the Harvard 
faculty back when you had to be a real anthropologist, not just 
an anti-racist apologist, to do that.  He was also Curator of 
the Museum of Physical Anthropolgy at the University of 
Pennsylvania, consultant to the Smithsonian, president of the 
American Society of Physical Anthropologists until he was 
forced to resign for heresy, and even had his own TV series for 
a while.
     I knew Carleton S. Conn, Profesor Catrleton S, Coon was a 
friend of mine.  And you, Anonymous, are no Carleton S. Coon.
      So there!



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christop@ifi.uio.no (Christopher Henrik Lund) wrote:
>
>In article <4vthrk$agp@molokini.conterra.com>, bob whitaker  writes:
>> christop@ifi.uio.no (Christopher Henrik Lund) wrote:
>
>      [You're a good boy. x2]
>
>> >Is this a new mantra of some kind?
>
>>      I'm sorry.  I just have real difficulty believing that 
>> even a Politically Correct clone can't figure out what "good 
>> boy" means.  You people really can't think AT all, can you?
>
>Oh, grow up.
>
>>      OK, hold your mouth open, here comes the spoon.
>>      You are a post-World War II European good boy.  You have 
>> been raised and trained in the doctrine of antiracism  against 
>> the evil on the other side, who have been presented to you as 
>> Nazis Who Want to Kill Six Million Jews.
>
>Norway was occupied by the Nazis during the war. We know very well what
>happens to a country ruled by fascists.
>
>>      You even have Hate Laws which jail people for having Evil 
>> Opinions.
>
>No. Only for acting upon them (ie attacking people with the "wrong" skin
>color, burning down their homes, and so on).
>
>>      Your reaction to all this is to repeat all the cliches 
>> you've heard, having swallowed them whole.
>>      A good boy in Stalin's Soviet Union would have quoted 
>> those cliches and reported the Evil Traitors to the KGB.  Under 
>> Hitler, a good boy would have reported hiding Jews, and 
>> repeated those cliches.
>
>So in your own, ignorant way, you're quite a "good boy" yourself. 
>
>
>
>
>
>	C. Lund, Oslo	http://www.ifi.uio.no/~christop/shame.html


    Why do I bother?



From bwhit@conterra.com Wed Aug 28 07:32:15 PDT 1996
Article: 60469 of alt.revisionism
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From: bob whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.discrimination,alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white
Subject: Re: Racist Education 3: On the College Campus
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libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu (william c anderson) wrote:
>bob whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
>
>:    The answer to that is very simple: that is what your 
>: Politically Correct Mommy Professor taught you to day about 
>: anybody who disagreed with him.
>:    I taught college, like so many of your Mommy Professor's 
>: opponents did.
>:    The difference is, I make a living outside.
>
>That's sad, Bob.  If you taught college, then how come you're
>over on alt.conspiracy posting that Marx lived in America?
>
>Bill
>.
      As I have explained three times already, I knew that Marx 
wrote for the Horace Greeley's New York Tribune from 1851 to 
1862, so i thought he had lived in New York.
    You clones seem astonished that I could make a mistake.
     You are too used to Mommy Professor, who can seem 
infallible on his one subject.  But out here in reality, we 
make mistakes all the time.



>.
>.
>
>.
>.
>.




From bwhit@conterra.com Wed Aug 28 08:53:24 PDT 1996
Article: 41048 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bob whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.skinheads
Subject: Re: Putting Quotations Around "White", Another DUHH! Tactic
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christop@ifi.uio.no (Christopher Henrik Lund) wrote:
>
>In article <4vthrk$agp@molokini.conterra.com>, bob whitaker  writes:
>> christop@ifi.uio.no (Christopher Henrik Lund) wrote:
>
>      [You're a good boy. x2]
>
>> >Is this a new mantra of some kind?
>
>>      I'm sorry.  I just have real difficulty believing that 
>> even a Politically Correct clone can't figure out what "good 
>> boy" means.  You people really can't think AT all, can you?
>
>Oh, grow up.
>
>>      OK, hold your mouth open, here comes the spoon.
>>      You are a post-World War II European good boy.  You have 
>> been raised and trained in the doctrine of antiracism  against 
>> the evil on the other side, who have been presented to you as 
>> Nazis Who Want to Kill Six Million Jews.
>
>Norway was occupied by the Nazis during the war. We know very well what
>happens to a country ruled by fascists.
>
>>      You even have Hate Laws which jail people for having Evil 
>> Opinions.
>
>No. Only for acting upon them (ie attacking people with the "wrong" skin
>color, burning down their homes, and so on).
>
>>      Your reaction to all this is to repeat all the cliches 
>> you've heard, having swallowed them whole.
>>      A good boy in Stalin's Soviet Union would have quoted 
>> those cliches and reported the Evil Traitors to the KGB.  Under 
>> Hitler, a good boy would have reported hiding Jews, and 
>> repeated those cliches.
>
>So in your own, ignorant way, you're quite a "good boy" yourself. 
>
>
>
>
>
>	C. Lund, Oslo	http://www.ifi.uio.no/~christop/shame.html


    Why do I bother?



From bwhit@conterra.com Wed Aug 28 08:53:25 PDT 1996
Article: 41056 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bob whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.society.conservatism,alt.politics.usa.constitution,revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,soc.culture.usa,alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.equality
Subject: Re: the PC crowd says.....ANY WHITE WHO OPPOSES OPEN BORDERS IS A NAZI
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"Spark/Thomas J. Miller jr."  wrote:
>Lester John Ness wrote:
>> 
>>         If you lie down with dogs, you'll get up with fleas.  Hang around
>> with Nazis, and people will figure you're a Nazi, too.
>> 
>> --
>> Lester Ness     lness@indiana.edu
>
>"Can't Shake the Devil's Hand and say you're only kidding"
>                             -They Might Be Giants / "Your Racist Friend"
>
>"Can't toy with an idea without being somehow stained by it." 
>       -Me on the subject of entertaining any admiration for any tyranny.

   If you coulld read, you would see I am saying that tyranny 
is denouncing ideas, as you do.


>
>A Simple Opinion. 
>-- 
>x-Signature: T J Miller jr:
>
>"For a price I'd do about anything, except pull the trigger/
>for that I'd need a pretty good cause...."
>
>                          -Queensryche/ "Anarchy-X"
>
>Formerly of the 37th TFW, USAF.   Now in Springdale Ark.


     This is how all the clones get started.  Then, after it 
has been repeatedly shown them how silly and tiresome all this 
"You're A Nazi Who Wants To Kill Six Million Jews" crap is, 
they start denying it.



From bwhit@conterra.com Wed Aug 28 10:33:02 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
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"Spark/Thomas J. Miller jr."  wrote:
>Lester John Ness wrote:
>> 
>>         If you lie down with dogs, you'll get up with fleas.  Hang around
>> with Nazis, and people will figure you're a Nazi, too.
>> 
>> --
>> Lester Ness     lness@indiana.edu
>
>"Can't Shake the Devil's Hand and say you're only kidding"
>                             -They Might Be Giants / "Your Racist Friend"
>
>"Can't toy with an idea without being somehow stained by it." 
>       -Me on the subject of entertaining any admiration for any tyranny.

   If you coulld read, you would see I am saying that tyranny 
is denouncing ideas, as you do.


>
>A Simple Opinion. 
>-- 
>x-Signature: T J Miller jr:
>
>"For a price I'd do about anything, except pull the trigger/
>for that I'd need a pretty good cause...."
>
>                          -Queensryche/ "Anarchy-X"
>
>Formerly of the 37th TFW, USAF.   Now in Springdale Ark.


     This is how all the clones get started.  Then, after it 
has been repeatedly shown them how silly and tiresome all this 
"You're A Nazi Who Wants To Kill Six Million Jews" crap is, 
they start denying it.



From bwhit@conterra.com Wed Aug 28 11:22:13 PDT 1996
Article: 52626 of alt.discrimination
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From: bob whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white,talk.politics.misc,soc.culture.usa,alt.discrimination
Subject: Re: Conflicts in White Nationalist thought, Mr. Strom?
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hmurdock@inreach.com (H. Murdock) wrote:
>I
>
>> In article <32203971.2E0@ix.netcom.com> Kevin Alfred Strom
> writes:
>> 
>> >Actually, eugenics is the best and only answer, in the long term, to 
>> >society's problems.
>
>Eugenics is the law of natural selection, AKA survival of the fittest.  As
>one who enjoys the outdoors, I see this on a regular basis.  I believe
>that those pf us who live in cities can lose touch with the fact that we
>humans are part of nature, and cannot disconnect ourselves from the laws
>that govern the rest of nature. 
>> And that pretty much says all one needs to know about Mr. Strom, neh?
>
>Why not direct your comments to what's right or wrong, instead of who's
>right and wrong?
>> 
 


    You know the answer to that.  This clown is one of the 
full-time Holocausters, so he only has one comment, with slight 
variations, on everything:  If you are worried about the white 
race or eugenics or are a vegetarian, youa re like Hitler and 
so you are A Nazi Who Wants To Kill Six Million Jews.
     


 
---------------------------------------------------------------
>> http://www.winternet.com/~joelr
>> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN%3D0380973227/joelrosenbergA/
>> ...and for the last bit of geekitry:  to receive the latest version of
>my FAQ, 
>> send me a message with the phrase "your FAQ" anywhere in the subject line.




From bwhit@conterra.com Wed Aug 28 11:53:08 PDT 1996
Article: 41121 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bob whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Re: the PC crowd says.....ANY WHITE WHO OPPOSES OPEN BORDERS IS A NAZI
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jeff_brown@pol.com (Jeffrey G. Brown) wrote:
>In article <4vuvdb$bga@molokini.conterra.com>, bob whitaker
> wrote:
>
>>     Putting quotes around white in this context is aLOT nastier 
>> than screaming Nazi, which is old hat.
>
>In other words, it's a bad thing to do Because! You! Say! So!
>
>>     What if someone had gotten word that their adopted child 
>> was dying.  Would you write them a note saying "I'm sorry that 
>> the person you call "your child" is dying."
>
>Oh, golly, Bobby, cry me a river. Where's my hanky? ...
>
>>     Here you recognize that we racists have feelings...
>
>Well, we certainly recognize the feeling of unreasoning racial hatred when
>we see it.

     
aka, "My Mommy Professor says the only feelings you have is 
that you are A Nazi Who Wants To Kill Six Million Jews."



    
>
>> ...and our 
>> beautiful race is being immigrated and integrated out of 
>> existence.
>
>How does one "immigrate" or "integrate" a race "out of existence",
>Whitaker?

     
     aka, DUHH!



     Show this to Mommy Professor.  He'll be proud of you!





 The immigration of non-"Whites" into a given country causes no
>reduction in the number of "Whites" already in said country. Neither does
>the integration of non-"Whites" into said country's schools, businesses,
>and communities. 
>
>Please, explain the magical winking out of existence of these "Whites" you
>claim is caused by immigration and integration.
>
>JGB
>
>=====================================================================
>Jeffrey G. Brown                                   jeff_brown@pol.com
> "What's going to happen?"   "Something wonderful..."   -- '2010'




From bwhit@conterra.com Wed Aug 28 13:27:57 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white,talk.politics.misc,soc.culture.usa,alt.discrimination
Subject: Re: Conflicts in White Nationalist thought, Mr. Strom?
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nobody@REPLAY.COM (Anonymous) wrote:
>I find myself in total agreement with Mr. Strom. The continued breeding of
>criminal elements in our society has brought us to this moment of truth.
>Either we shall allow the lower elements of society to ruin our
>civilization or develop programs to reduce their reproduction while
>developing programs to encourage and subsidize the production of more
>intelligent and civil citizens. 
>
>In addition, I would suggest that the failed policies of integration must
>be abandoned totally, and the races partitioned into separate countries
>where their peoples can be truly free. 
>
>For die-hard integrationists, masochists that they might be, a country
>where integration is permitted for those who wish that lifestyle and what
>they believe are its positive aspects, whatever those may or may not be,
>may also be given a partition to pursue their experiment in peace.


   Here you run into a fundamental problem with our 
opponents(aka anti-racists): nobody wants what they have to 
offer, and they know it.  Hence, there will be no voluntarism.
   It is no accident that the Communists had the only countries 
in history to be entirely surrounded hy walls to keep their 
people in, and killed them them if they tried to escape.  It is 
no accident that busing for racial balance is a liberal 
program.   It is no accident that we have to pay for 
"low-income", or black, communities to chase down whites 
fleeing to the suburbs.
    We have here clones who look at a Congo black and a Swedish 
white, and say, "Race? I don't see no race."  They can look you 
right in the eye and say, "Boy, mixed race Brazilians are so 
beautiful." while real people watch the Nordics on *Baywatch*, 
the most popular television program on earth, last I looked.   
   Reality doesn't phase them.  What people want doesn't 
influence them.
   That's why they have to keep saying "Nazi".  It is their 
excuse for kicking people around and ignoring what they want.
   There will be no all-white communities allowed as long as 
the clones have power. As with busing, even the most 
brainwashed whites will leave in the end.
    The first rule with anti-whites is that whites must not be 
allowed to do what they want to.   They want obedient, so they 
will simply scream "racist", which means A Nazi Who Wants To 
Kill Six Million Jews. 


>
>This is a large country. There is plenty of room for every race and ethnic
>group. The only question facing those of us who are victims of the
>immigration and integration conspiracy will be whether the USA will be
>partitioned peaceably or through endless civil wars. It shall certainly
>never live peaceably under the present conditions, nor was it meant to be.
>The scam of integration and destabilization was a plot to destroy the USA
>by its leftist enemies, and a very successful one, too, I might add.
>
>Too bad the human race is so discriminatory in its dealings with groups of
>ethnics, races, and religions, but that has always been the case, and any
>anthropologist worthy of note has always written that contiguous tribes
>always resort to warfare to settle territorial disputes and that they
>almost never have comingled prior to the artificial convenants of nation
>building based on genocide, relocation, propagandization, and all the
>other aspects of enforced nation building.
>
>In article <32203971.2E0@ix.netcom.com>, Kevin Alfred Strom
> wrote:
>
>> One of my correspondents forwarded this message to me, as follows;
>> 
>> > 
>> > From: nobody@flame.alias.net (Anonymous)
>> > Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
>> > Subject: Conflicts in White Nationalist thought, Mr. Strom?
>> > Date: 23 Aug 1996 18:55:13 GMT
>> > Organization: Flame International Inc.
>> > Lines: 12
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>> > NNTP-Posting-Host: basement.replay.com
>> > X-XS4ALL-Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 20:55:14 MET DST
>> > Comments: Please report misuse of this automated remailing service to
>> > 
>> > 
>> >  I believe that the new white nation you advocate should be a
>> > constitutional republic as the founders intended, not the total-
>> > itarian sham that is needed to enforce today's multiracial em-
>> > pire. I think you've stated that that is your intent. How-
>> > ever, I've noted that you have also advocated eugenics, assumedly
>> > to be conducted on the established white nation. By its nature,
>> > eugenics is coercive!
>> 
>> 
>> Not necessarily more so than any other law, and possibly far less 
>> coercive than some. All laws, even laws against littering, have coercion 
>> in some form as their ultimate basis.
>> 
>> No matter what law has been violated, behind it are men with guns and 
>> badges who will make sure (by coercion or threat of coercion) that you 
>> are brought before the bar of justice, where if adjudged guilty you will 
>> be 1) coerced into doing what the law requires under threat of further 
>> coercion, or 2) coerced into paying a fine under threat of further 
>> coercion, or 3) forced to give up your freedom for a specified period. I 
>> add parenthetically that in a White nation, White men convicted of crimes 
>> will not have to endure the cruel and unusual punishment of being 
>> incarcerated in prisons dominated by Negro criminals and criminal gangs, 
>> where they may die or undergo unspeakable outrages never sanctioned by 
>> any jury.
>> 
>> I would also add that merely _stopping_ the dysgenic subsidization of the 
>> underclass would have a wonderful eugenic effect. Taxing those parents 
>> who have the ability to conceive future physicists, philosophers, 
>> composers, inventors, artists, and other benfactors of this planet, to 
>> subsidize the breeding of future crack dealers, rapists, killers, 
>> borderline morons, and the criminally insane, is a policy guaranteeing 
>> that we will bequeath to our children a darker, uglier, and almost 
>> certainly more coercive world than we have now. 
>> 
>> 
>> > If you do advocate such a program, please explain how it will
>> > be administered, and by whom, before all we diverse peoples of
>> > the European race sign on to your new America. If you don't, ac-
>> > cept my apologies for misinterpreting your posts.
>> 
>> 
>> No apologies are necessary.
>> 
>> While I acknowledge that government action is good and necessary in some 
>> areas of life, I dislike the idea of living in a police state probably 
>> more than anyone, and I despise the current trend toward a policeman on 
>> every corner, housetop, and in every modem, and a prison on every 
>> streetcorner housing perhaps 50 per cent. of the block's population. I 
>> exaggerate current trends here, but only slightly.
>> 
>> How could eugenics be administered with a minimum of coercion?
>> 
>> First, just as the tax code encourages home ownership, the birth of 
>> high-quality children could be subsidized by tax breaks for the parents. 
>> Those parents who had achieved special eminence in their jobs, who had 
>> excelled in the arts or sciences, who had performed acts of heroism, who 
>> had achieved consistently superior results in intelligence tests, or who 
>> had given other evidence of superior genetic endowment, could receive 
>> generous tax incentives to bear and raise children.
>> 
>> Perhaps also, just as the government today favors special interest groups 
>> with subsidized loans, the birth of superior children could be encouraged 
>> by the granting of low-interest loans to the parents, helping to ensure 
>> that the potential of these superior children is realized and averting 
>> the tragedy that such children might never be conceived because of money 
>> worries on the part of the parents.
>> 
>> Thirdly, the use of sperm banks like Robert Klark Graham's _Repository 
>> for Germinal Choice_ could be encouraged by government grants to the 
>> banks, and generous benefits as described above could be provided to the 
>> women of normal or greater intelligence who choose to bear the children 
>> of genius-level sperm donors.
>> 
>> Negative eugenics could be applied by reducing sentences for repeat 
>> offenders if they agree to sterilization; and by discouraging those with 
>> serious genetic defects from deliberately passing their misery on to 
>> infinite future generations through fines, and if combined with rape or 
>> other violence, imprisonment.
>> 
>> (While not bearing directly on the quality of offspring, we could also 
>> effect immediate improvements in our society by requiring a minimum 
>> intelligence level, and a demonstration of understanding of the basic 
>> concepts of self-government, before a citizen was given a license to vote 
>> -- far more important than the parallel requirements for licensing 
>> drivers! Imagine elections in which media-orchestrated appeals to the 
>> boobs would be a thing of the past.)
>> 
>> Actually, eugenics is the best and only answer, in the long term, to 
>> society's problems. In every civilization, for reasons we do not entirely 
>> understand, the less intelligent outbreed the more intelligent. Absent 
>> the evolutionary pruning knife of a severe environment, this causes a 
>> lowering of the average intelligence with every generation -- even as 
>> accumulated knowledge may be advancing the society in other ways, such as 
>> technology or the arts.
>> 
>> In America we have been reinforcing this natural dysgenic trend by 
>> subsidizing the breeding of the lowest elements among us. Our response to 
>> the social problems thus engendered has been more laws; more prisons (to 
>> the point where America has more inmates per capita than even the old 
>> Soviet Union did); "get tough" measures to encourage drastic sentences; 
>> and the sacrificing of our rights of freedom and privacy through the 
>> erection of huge "anti-crime," "anti-drug," "anti-gun," and now 
>> "anti-terrorist" secret police agencies who themselves are a threat to 
>> peacable citizens.
>> 
>> No society has perfect freedom, of course. Human nature, even in the most 
>> advanced nations of the most advanced races, produces monsters who beat 
>> their wives, kill their betters, and sodomize little boys. So rational 
>> men institute governments and laws to punish those monsters and segregate 
>> them from the rest of us.
>> 
>> But freedom exists in degrees. If you have a society in which 99 per 
>> cent. of the population are highly intelligent and quite capable of 
>> fending for themselves and providing for their families, the degree of 
>> freedom of action you can grant your citizens is much greater than what 
>> would necessarily prevail in a society consisting of 50 or even 30 per 
>> cent. moronic thugs like Darryl Cabey.
>> 
>> If humans were perfect, no laws would necessary and coercion would be 
>> nonexistent. Instead of ignoring human quality until it is too late and 
>> you have to imprison half the population (at which point control of the 
>> society by non-criminals approaches untenability, and you may be facing a 
>> Liberia- or Haiti-type situation), let's encourage the reproduction of 
>> the best and brightest among us, so that each generation can advance in 
>> both freedom and knowledge. There really is no other way.
>> 
>> With good wishes to all,
>> 
>> -- 
>> 
>> 
>> Kevin Alfred Strom
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