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From bwhit@conterra.com Sat Jun  1 08:33:11 PDT 1996
Article: 47931 of alt.discrimination
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From: bob whitaker 
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Subject: Re: Separation of Race and State
Date: 31 May 1996 15:35:44 GMT
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    I have the blue ribbon on my screen.  I am against both the 
right's attmept to censor porno and the let's desire to censor 
ideas.
     Please read the fourteenth amendment.  It specifically 
discussed what happens if a state chooses to prohibbit black 
voting.  There is nothing loosely-written about it.  It gave 
equal protection, which was very different from complete 
equality, a fact which everybody understood at the time.



From bwhit@conterra.com Sat Jun  1 09:03:17 PDT 1996
Article: 30571 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bob whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Re: 'pure' races would become inbred
Date: 31 May 1996 15:32:05 GMT
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   What I said was that any specialist who disagreed with you 
publically would lose his job.
   I am through with your silly argument that a gene poll of 
hundreds of millions constitutes inbreeding, which is what this 
string is about.  Start a new string and I'll discuss it.



From bwhit@conterra.com Sat Jun  1 09:03:18 PDT 1996
Article: 30572 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bob whitaker 
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Subject: Re: Whites can't be proud or it's racism.
Date: 31 May 1996 15:41:14 GMT
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   You are, as I understand it, a professional anti-hater, so 
you've got a stake in saying I have said what you said Isaid, 
which is a good, solid, bald-faced lie.  You're earning your 
check.



From bwhit@conterra.com Sat Jun  1 09:03:19 PDT 1996
Article: 30573 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bob whitaker 
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Subject: Re: Whites can't be proud or it's racism.
Date: 31 May 1996 15:43:46 GMT
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   As I have said elsewhere, the first thing anyone dedicated 
to genocide does is to declare that those they want to do away 
with are 1) the root of all evil and 2) really don't exist.  
You have declared 2) again here.  I'll be looking for 1).  You 
and your clones never miss it for long.



From bwhit@conterra.com Sat Jun  1 18:11:55 PDT 1996
Article: 30592 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bob whitaker 
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Subject: Re: Communism in Our Government
Date: 1 Jun 1996 17:11:19 GMT
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tim decker <"decklap"@ tezcat.com> wrote:
>Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:
>> 
>> Was Earl Warren a Communist? I doubt that he joined the party -- it might
>> have hurt his political career. I do know that Communist Party, USA
>> official Dorothy Healy was fulsome in praise of him.
>>
>
>So was my grandmother.   DAMN!!!!!!!!  He must have been a 
>gooseberry pie baking Republican.
>
>
>Be seriuos.
>
>
>None of these claims about MLK can be substantiated until the 
>government releases the FBI file.
>
>
>
>td


      The fact that the files are sealed confirms the worst.



From bwhit@conterra.com Sat Jun  1 18:11:57 PDT 1996
Article: 30596 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bob whitaker 
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Subject: Re: Slur campaign by the extremist right against Martin Luther King Jr
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    When it comes to to MLK and JFK, there are two groups: one 
wants the closed JFK files opened, and other wants the MLK 
files opened.  Both were closed for fifty years by liberals in 
the 1960's.  Yes, fifty years!
    Today, there is one group of people, mostly on the left, 
who want the JFK files opened.  There is another group, 
entirely on the right, whcih wants the MLK files opened.  I am 
the only person i know of who has consistently demanded both.
    Today, there is one group of people, mostly on the left, 
who want anything censored they choose to call Hate.  Some 
conservatives, desperate for a pat on the head fro the left, go 
along with this.  Another group, mosely on the right, wants to 
outlaw whatever it chooses to call pornogaphy.  I have 
consistently opposed both.  
    A lot of the peole who have our blue ribbon on their 
screens against censoring porno woul dlove to join Caesar and 
his Thought Police Against Hate.
     I say stop censorship and open all the damned files NOW!



From bwhit@conterra.com Sat Jun  1 20:32:42 PDT 1996
Article: 382936 of talk.politics.misc
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From: bob whitaker 
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tim decker <"decklap"@ tezcat.com> wrote:
>Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:
>> 
>> Was Earl Warren a Communist? I doubt that he joined the party -- it might
>> have hurt his political career. I do know that Communist Party, USA
>> official Dorothy Healy was fulsome in praise of him.
>>
>
>So was my grandmother.   DAMN!!!!!!!!  He must have been a 
>gooseberry pie baking Republican.
>
>
>Be seriuos.
>
>
>None of these claims about MLK can be substantiated until the 
>government releases the FBI file.
>
>
>
>td


      The fact that the files are sealed confirms the worst.



From bwhit@conterra.com Sat Jun  1 20:32:44 PDT 1996
Article: 382972 of talk.politics.misc
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From: bob whitaker 
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    When it comes to to MLK and JFK, there are two groups: one 
wants the closed JFK files opened, and other wants the MLK 
files opened.  Both were closed for fifty years by liberals in 
the 1960's.  Yes, fifty years!
    Today, there is one group of people, mostly on the left, 
who want the JFK files opened.  There is another group, 
entirely on the right, whcih wants the MLK files opened.  I am 
the only person i know of who has consistently demanded both.
    Today, there is one group of people, mostly on the left, 
who want anything censored they choose to call Hate.  Some 
conservatives, desperate for a pat on the head fro the left, go 
along with this.  Another group, mosely on the right, wants to 
outlaw whatever it chooses to call pornogaphy.  I have 
consistently opposed both.  
    A lot of the peole who have our blue ribbon on their 
screens against censoring porno woul dlove to join Caesar and 
his Thought Police Against Hate.
     I say stop censorship and open all the damned files NOW!



From bwhit@conterra.com Sat Jun  1 20:41:13 PDT 1996
Article: 265293 of talk.politics.guns
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tim decker <"decklap"@ tezcat.com> wrote:
>Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:
>> 
>> Was Earl Warren a Communist? I doubt that he joined the party -- it might
>> have hurt his political career. I do know that Communist Party, USA
>> official Dorothy Healy was fulsome in praise of him.
>>
>
>So was my grandmother.   DAMN!!!!!!!!  He must have been a 
>gooseberry pie baking Republican.
>
>
>Be seriuos.
>
>
>None of these claims about MLK can be substantiated until the 
>government releases the FBI file.
>
>
>
>td


      The fact that the files are sealed confirms the worst.



From bwhit@conterra.com Sat Jun  1 20:41:14 PDT 1996
Article: 265311 of talk.politics.guns
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    When it comes to to MLK and JFK, there are two groups: one 
wants the closed JFK files opened, and other wants the MLK 
files opened.  Both were closed for fifty years by liberals in 
the 1960's.  Yes, fifty years!
    Today, there is one group of people, mostly on the left, 
who want the JFK files opened.  There is another group, 
entirely on the right, whcih wants the MLK files opened.  I am 
the only person i know of who has consistently demanded both.
    Today, there is one group of people, mostly on the left, 
who want anything censored they choose to call Hate.  Some 
conservatives, desperate for a pat on the head fro the left, go 
along with this.  Another group, mosely on the right, wants to 
outlaw whatever it chooses to call pornogaphy.  I have 
consistently opposed both.  
    A lot of the peole who have our blue ribbon on their 
screens against censoring porno woul dlove to join Caesar and 
his Thought Police Against Hate.
     I say stop censorship and open all the damned files NOW!



From bwhit@conterra.com Sat Jun  1 21:20:42 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.tasteless.jokes,rec.humor,alt.2600
Subject: Re: THE Best Bumper Stickers EVER
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dhilbu1@umbc.edu (Daniel) wrote:
>I kind of liked this one:
>
>i souport publik edekasion
>
>

Wass die joak?



From bwhit@conterra.com Sun Jun  2 10:20:13 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
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Subject: Re: Black beauties... (was: Once again, ...)
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   Put it where the sun don't shine, creep.



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From: bob whitaker 
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   So you're a creep and a clone.  You just approved of t he 
creep's activities and you just said you didn't.   You can't be 
a clone and think straight.



From bwhit@conterra.com Sun Jun  2 11:41:27 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Finsten, Lambert!  Here's A New One For You Thought Police!
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   I just put another one in alt.tasteless.jokes.  It about 
American Indians.  Be sure to report it, now!



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From: bob whitaker 
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Subject: I Will Continue to Tell Tasteless Ethnic Jokes in Alt.Tasteless.Jokes...
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   And if the Kowalewskis, Finsten, Caesar, Lambert and the 
rest of you Thought Police creeps don't like it, you can stick 
it where the sun don't come up in the morning.



From bwhit@conterra.com Sun Jun  2 11:41:28 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Civil War in America Rages
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Caesar  wrote:
>In article <4olm5c$42n@molokini.conterra.com>
>           bwhit@conterra.com "bob whitaker" writes:
>
>>    BTW, if anybody had told me yesterday that some creep was 
>> monitoring alt.tasteless.jokes for violations of Political 
>> Correctness, I would have said they were paranoid.  I did not 
>> budget for just how much of a creep Craig Lambert is.
>> 
>> 
>
>Part of the huge Joooooooooish Conspiracy  is it?
>
>
>
>-- 
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------
>from Caesar
>Caesar@augur.demon.co.uk
>An anti-fascist
>"Salus populi suprema est lex" - Cicero
>"Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel" - Samuel Johnson
>"Apathy is the greatest enemy of democracy" - Anon
>---------------------------------------------------------------
>


     Clones will be clones.  I was a little surprised when 
Finsten and the Reverendn Sister endorsed monitoring 
alt.tasteless.jokes for political Correctness, but you have 
never made ny bones about your support for totalitarian 
methods.  Anytime anyone criticizes any use of power, you say 
the Nazis would have done it, and that every measure usedby the 
Nazis should be used against anyone who objects to racial 
intermarriage.   Your only answer to anything like that is that 
the Nazis did it, so no other conclusion is possible.  
      Here you say that anyone who objects to monitoring for 
Political Correctness is saying it is a Jewish Conspiracy.  You 
 and your clones play a no-limits game, but at least you admit 
that that is what it is.  



From bwhit@conterra.com Sun Jun  2 11:41:29 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
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Subject: Re: Finsten, Lambert, Other Clones!  Another One for the Thought police!
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   Anybody who monitors alt.tasteless.jokes to denounce 
anything that's not Politically Correct is a creep, creep! 






clambert@cris.com (Craig Lambert) wrote:
>On 1 Jun 1996 20:50:23 GMT, bob whitaker  wrote:
>
>>    Look in alt.tasteless-jokes!  A joke by me called, (GET 
>>THIS!) "Jew Joke" is quoted, and tehre are two more people 
>>there for you to report.
>>    HURRY!!!
>>
>You seem to be taking care of this matter all by yourself: you seem
>diligent enough about 'reporting' yourself.  If it makes you feel any
>better, you can go down to your local police station and 'turn
>yourself in'.  I dunno what they can charge you with, but make
>something up.  Whatever makes you feel good, 'Doc', just do it.
>
>This seems reminiscent somehow of those Mounted Police horses you see
>with the bags under their tails.
>
>
>--
>Craig Lambert
>Predestination: its not just dogma, its the law.
>Or will be, someday.




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Subject: Re: Genocide 101
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As I said, in a week, you'll be back to blaming everything on 
Whitey and you and your clones will deny you ever said you 
didn't.



From bwhit@conterra.com Sun Jun  2 11:41:31 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: On Soviet Death Sentence for Anti-Semitism
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"Arti Itra"  wrote:
>
>
>> clambert@cris.com (Craig Lambert) wrote in article
><31acef75.21830423@news.concentric.net>...
>> On 25 May 1996 21:19:05 GMT, bob whitaker  wrote:
>>
>
> 
>(deleted)
>
>> >  Back in the 1960's, when Poltically Correct 
>> >leftists said that the USSR was a Good Thing and the only 
>> >bulwark against evil Americans and their militarism, this death 
>> >sentence was mentioned all the time.
>> Demonstrate that there was a death sentence for anti-semetism in the
>> SU first, then we can discuss if knowledge of it was widespread in
>> this country.
>> 
>
>What difference does this make as Soviet laws were just an instrument for
>it's propaganda anyway.

   That's the line now, "Who cares?"  Ask that creep Lambert.  
I mentioned this law and he went ot pieces, declaring that only 
a vicious anti-semite would mention such a thing.  Now he says 
who cares too, I suppose.
    My point is that tyrants use anti-hate Hate Laws as freely 
as anything else for their purposes.  That supposedly made a 
Hitlerite to Lambert.

 And not only that if such a law existed it would
>have been an easy tool to eliminate dissidents.
>As far as anti-Semitism goes it undeniably did exist in the USSR. It was
>not uncommon that people tried to get the nationality entry in their
>passport to be changed to something else than Jewish.
>
>Arti




From bwhit@conterra.com Sun Jun  2 11:41:31 PDT 1996
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Caesar  wrote:
>In article <833676426.5167.1@teejay.demon.co.uk>
>           BootedYob@teejay.demon.co.uk "BootedYob" writes:
>
>> bob whitaker  wrote:
>> 
>> >   Rajiv is a good Indian racist.  If his own coutry were 
>> >subject to the massive inflow that the clones here insist on 
>> >for white countries, I think his attitude would be a good deal 
>> >different.  Right now, his race is safe, and it gets to spread 
>> >into white countries.  Good deal for him!
>> 
>> It never ceases to amaze me that Indians cry discrimination if they
>> think they are treated differently to others, but India has, a Caste
>> system, which condems many to a life of poverty.
    
    I didn't say what you are answering.  You;re lying again.  
But at least you are honest enough to declare that you advocate 
any method Hitler at his most dictatorial ever used, so a lie 
is just a little thing to you.

 
>> 
>
>Indeed, the caste system is most inequitable and unfair, but
>(AFAIK) the Indian govt is trying to stamp it out.
>
>
>
>
>-- 
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------
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>Caesar@augur.demon.co.uk
>An anti-fascist
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>"Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel" - Samuel Johnson
>"Apathy is the greatest enemy of democracy" - Anon
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From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Jun  3 09:07:37 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
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Subject: Re: The Joke Lambert Wants Me Jailed For
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Laura Finsten  wrote:
>bob whitaker  wrote:
>
>>   In the mass of red herrings and accusations Craig Lambert 
>>poutred forth to cover the fact that he was simply wrong, I 
>>found one that was especially sad.   
>>   He declared that I lied about not saying anything 
>>anti-semitic because, in "Tasteless Jokes", I inserted the 
>>following:
>>   Did you hear about the rabbi who did circumcisions drunk?
>>
>>
>>   He had a ball.
>>
>>
>>    This, in Lambert's view, constitutes anti-Soviet, sorry, I 
>>mean anti-American propaganda.   
>>    Everyone who ever laughed at this joke through the years, 
>>including Jews, will be rounded up as conspirators, of course. 
>
>
>I haven't read all of the exchanges between you and Craig,
>Mr. Whitaker.  I'm not sure what you are saying he was 
>"simply wrong" about.
>
>I did see Craig express some horror that your idea of a
>joke is one about Jews and ovens.  Let's see, how did it go -
>Have you heard about the new German microwave oven?  It holds
>six Jews.  Something to that effect.  You did post such a 
>"joke", did you not Mr. Whitaker?  It certainly is antisemitic
>in my books.
>
>


   Old joke: Have you heard about the new German microwave 
oven?   

It seats six.

    This was in alt.tasteless.jokes, which Lambert was 
monitoring for Political Correctness.  You approve.
     Next comes your praise for Freedom of Speech, right?
    Nasty little sicko, arent you?



From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Jun  3 09:07:39 PDT 1996
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   You have used a lot of words, but not one of htem 
contradicts what I said about you.   The only point you made 
was that you don't demand restrcitions on Africcan immigrtion. 
 You don't need to.  Conditions there do that.



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  You're a nasty little creep.



From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Jun  3 09:07:41 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Re: The Joke Lambert Wants Me Jailed For
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Laura Finsten  wrote:
>bob whitaker  wrote:
>
>>   In the mass of red herrings and accusations Craig Lambert 
>>poutred forth to cover the fact that he was simply wrong, I 
>>found one that was especially sad.   
>>   He declared that I lied about not saying anything 
>>anti-semitic because, in "Tasteless Jokes", I inserted the 
>>following:
>>   Did you hear about the rabbi who did circumcisions drunk?
>>
>>
>>   He had a ball.
>>
>>
>>    This, in Lambert's view, constitutes anti-Soviet, sorry, I 
>>mean anti-American propaganda.   
>>    Everyone who ever laughed at this joke through the years, 
>>including Jews, will be rounded up as conspirators, of course. 
>
>
>I haven't read all of the exchanges between you and Craig,
>Mr. Whitaker.  I'm not sure what you are saying he was 
>"simply wrong" about.
>
>I did see Craig express some horror that your idea of a
>joke is one about Jews and ovens.  Let's see, how did it go -
>Have you heard about the new German microwave oven?  It holds
>six Jews.  Something to that effect.  You did post such a 
>"joke", did you not Mr. Whitaker?  It certainly is antisemitic
>in my books.
>
>


   Old joke: Have you heard about the new German microwave 
oven?   

It seats six.

    This was in alt.tasteless.jokes, which Lambert was 
monitoring for Political Correctness.  You approve.
     Next comes your praise for Freedom of Speech, right?
    Nasty little sicko, arent you?



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From: bob whitaker 
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Subject: Finsten, Lambert, Other Clones!  Another One for the Thought police!
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    Look in alt.tasteless-jokes!  A joke by me called, (GET 
THIS!) "Jew Joke" is quoted, and tehre are two more people 
there for you to report.
    HURRY!!!



From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Jun  3 09:07:42 PDT 1996
Article: 30736 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bob whitaker 
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Subject: Re: Asian Invasion of England!
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   Rajiv is a good Indian racist.  If his own coutry were 
subject to the massive inflow that the clones here insist on 
for white countries, I think his attitude would be a good deal 
different.  Right now, his race is safe, and it gets to spread 
into white countries.  Good deal for him!



From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Jun  3 09:07:43 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
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Subject: Re: Why Is Dr. Bob Avoiding Me?
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I'm talking to your clones. You don't say anything different.  
What you say is in popular magazines at all locations.   So 
when I'm talking to your clones I'm talking to you.
   Allthe popular media stress  the difference between a social 
democrat and a Communist, so, as you say, you know what a 
social democrat is.  The popular media do not mention that all 
racists are not Nazis, so you keep(GOSH, HOW ORIGINAL!!!) 
talking about some "legitimate concern" that opposition to 
racial intermarriage means mass slaughter.
    I am talking  to your clones and their media quotes, so I 
am talking to you.



From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Jun  3 09:07:44 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
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Subject: Re: On Soviet Death Sentence for Anti-Semitism
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   Your heroine Susan Sonntag also pointed out that "The white 
race is the cancer of history."
   We have all heard about Soviet actions against Jews hundreds 
of times. Like everything else you say in your half-educated 
state, all this is news only to you.   When I pointed out the 
USSR had a death sentence for antisemitism, it was something 
you hadn't heard of -- it requires a bit of knowledge beyond 
the popular magazine level -- so you not only disagreed, you 
freaked out at such heresy.
   Everyone demand for the crushing of freedom of speech 
begins with your kind of declaration of how the person speaking 
is all for free speech.  
    What is pathetic about you and your clones is that you 
actually think we haven't already heard all this superficial 
crap.   You are a creep AND a bore.



From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Jun  3 09:07:45 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
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Subject: Re: Genocide 101
Date: 1 Jun 1996 23:13:52 GMT
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Caesar  wrote:
>In article <4ol5gl$kdn@molokini.conterra.com>
>           bwhit@conterra.com "bob whitaker" writes:
>
>>    It has occurred to me that those who wish to destroy a 
>> people declare two things about that peope: 1) They are the 
>> root of all evil, and 2) They don't actually exist.  To Hitler, 
>> the Untermenschen did not exist, except as pure Evil.  To the 
>> Soviets, everyone was part of their subject world, the world of 
>> the universal proletariat, and any group outside did not exist 
>> and was evil. 
>>     Those who aim to destroy the white race are, foc ourse, the 
>> clearest kind of example.  They argue taht the white race does 
>> not exist, so it can be done away with, but that it is the root 
>> of all evil, so it owed vast reparations.
>>      Any comments?
>> 
>> 
>
>1. No one on this ng has ever called "whites" the root of
>all evil


   The ability of you and your clones to use the Memory Hole 
would impress the hell out of George Orwell himself.
    For today, because I called you on your hatred of whites, 
we have standard "Be kind to Whitey" session, which you 
anti-white whites always comeup with whenyou are called on it.
    But we all know that last week or next, if someone says, 
"Every black country is poor.  Why"  Your answer would be "It's 
white people's fault."
    Last or next week, try "Zimbabwe has 25% HIV positive.  
Why?"   "It's white people's fault."\
     "Asia is poor."  "It's white people's fault."
      "The black crime rate is high."  "It's all white people's 
fault."
      And on and on and on ad nauseum.
      You talking about whites sounds exactly like Goebbels 
talking about Jews.

 



>2. The racists still haven't defined who is "white". 
>Can "whiteness" be defined by skin colour, skull shape or
>earwax?

     This is an old, old, OLD gambit, but the fact is that 
definitions are there to describe reality, not vice-versa.  You 
do not hesitate to say "white" when assessing blame, and nobody 
else has any diufficulty believing there are whites.  
      Asia exists.  There may bne disagreement about its 
borders, but if you were to say that disagreement meant there 
is no Asia, you'd be committed.
       The purpose of denying the fact that there is a white 
race is to give an excuse for its destruction.
       The final solution to the white problem is immigration 
and miscegenation.  What you say is "the final solution to the 
RACE problem is miscegenation."  But when I then say, "Do you 
really mean people will pour into Asia and miscegenate?"  You 
say No.  Africa?   No.  That good old code word "race problem" 
always means WHITE problem.
        When I press people on this, they deny that they said 
miscegenation was the final solution to the white problem.  
When they say it again the next week and I remind them they had 
denied it, they give me that look you and your clones give, 
that says, "You BELIEVED me?  What a dolt!"
          It's genocide, and it's a no-limits game.
       
>
>
>-- 
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------
>from Caesar
>Caesar@augur.demon.co.uk
>An anti-fascist
>"Salus populi suprema est lex" - Cicero
>"Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel" - Samuel Johnson
>"Apathy is the greatest enemy of democracy" - Anon
>---------------------------------------------------------------




From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Jun  3 09:07:46 PDT 1996
Article: 30767 of alt.politics.white-power
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Subject: Re: Civil War in America Rages
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   The joke was: Have you heard about the new German microwave 
oven?
   It seats six

    And it takes a real creep to monitor alt.tasteless.jokes 
for Political Correctness, creep!



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test



From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Jun  3 09:07:47 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
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Subject: Re: Communism in Our Government: Check Under Your Bed QUICKLY!
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voltai29@ix.netcom.com (Jim Kennemur) wrote:
>On 1 Jun 1996 17:11:19 GMT, bob whitaker  wrote:
>
>>tim decker <"decklap"@ tezcat.com> wrote:
>>>Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Was Earl Warren a Communist? I doubt that he joined the party -- it might
>>>> have hurt his political career. I do know that Communist Party, USA
>>>> official Dorothy Healy was fulsome in praise of him.
>>>>
>>>
>>>So was my grandmother.   DAMN!!!!!!!!  He must have been a 
>>>gooseberry pie baking Republican.
>>>
>>>
>>>Be seriuos.
>>>
>>>
>>>None of these claims about MLK can be substantiated until the 
>>>government releases the FBI file.
>
>>
>>      The fact that the files are sealed confirms the worst.
>
>Quick logic lesson.
>
>Files you have not seen confirms NOTHING except that you are right
>wing paranoid.
>
>Lesson over. There will be no test. You would fail.
>
>     Jim
>
>
>=-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>I will miss Tim Leary. He had a elfin Irish wit
>about him. He thought what he was doing was right.
> 
>                       G. Gordon Liddy
>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=


   Can you think of any other reason, besides evidence of 
Communist affiliations or sexual excesses, the government would 
lock the files up on St. Martin for FIFTY YEARS?
    



From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Jun  3 10:11:37 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
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voltai29@ix.netcom.com (Jim Kennemur) wrote:
>On 1 Jun 1996 17:11:19 GMT, bob whitaker  wrote:
>
>>tim decker <"decklap"@ tezcat.com> wrote:
>>>Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Was Earl Warren a Communist? I doubt that he joined the party -- it might
>>>> have hurt his political career. I do know that Communist Party, USA
>>>> official Dorothy Healy was fulsome in praise of him.
>>>>
>>>
>>>So was my grandmother.   DAMN!!!!!!!!  He must have been a 
>>>gooseberry pie baking Republican.
>>>
>>>
>>>Be seriuos.
>>>
>>>
>>>None of these claims about MLK can be substantiated until the 
>>>government releases the FBI file.
>
>>
>>      The fact that the files are sealed confirms the worst.
>
>Quick logic lesson.
>
>Files you have not seen confirms NOTHING except that you are right
>wing paranoid.
>
>Lesson over. There will be no test. You would fail.
>
>     Jim
>
>
>=-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>I will miss Tim Leary. He had a elfin Irish wit
>about him. He thought what he was doing was right.
> 
>                       G. Gordon Liddy
>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=


   Can you think of any other reason, besides evidence of 
Communist affiliations or sexual excesses, the government would 
lock the files up on St. Martin for FIFTY YEARS?
    



From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Jun  3 10:22:05 PDT 1996
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voltai29@ix.netcom.com (Jim Kennemur) wrote:
>On 1 Jun 1996 17:11:19 GMT, bob whitaker  wrote:
>
>>tim decker <"decklap"@ tezcat.com> wrote:
>>>Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Was Earl Warren a Communist? I doubt that he joined the party -- it might
>>>> have hurt his political career. I do know that Communist Party, USA
>>>> official Dorothy Healy was fulsome in praise of him.
>>>>
>>>
>>>So was my grandmother.   DAMN!!!!!!!!  He must have been a 
>>>gooseberry pie baking Republican.
>>>
>>>
>>>Be seriuos.
>>>
>>>
>>>None of these claims about MLK can be substantiated until the 
>>>government releases the FBI file.
>
>>
>>      The fact that the files are sealed confirms the worst.
>
>Quick logic lesson.
>
>Files you have not seen confirms NOTHING except that you are right
>wing paranoid.
>
>Lesson over. There will be no test. You would fail.
>
>     Jim
>
>
>=-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>I will miss Tim Leary. He had a elfin Irish wit
>about him. He thought what he was doing was right.
> 
>                       G. Gordon Liddy
>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=


   Can you think of any other reason, besides evidence of 
Communist affiliations or sexual excesses, the government would 
lock the files up on St. Martin for FIFTY YEARS?
    



From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Jun  3 16:26:47 PDT 1996
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   Listen, creep, I'm not the only doctorate in the New Right 
Papers, but nobody mentioned it.  In that league it would be 
considered silly.  A PhD is a God to a little PC freak like 
you, but only to you.
    You can "expose" me till your little Thought Police face 
turns blue.  I suggest you start by looking at Bill Rusher's 
footnote on me in Rise of the Right, which outdoes the joke 
you're demanding I be jailed for.  And he's a friend of mine!
    All the crap you say is stuff everybody here has read 
hundreds of times in all the mainstream, ie, permitted, media. 
 We've all seen it and outgrown it, except for your kind.



From bwhit@conterra.com Tue Jun  4 16:47:41 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.skinheads,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white
Subject: Re: Black beauties... (was: Once again, ...)
Date: 3 Jun 1996 17:10:38 GMT
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  I will do as I damn well please.  As I said before, if you 
creeps want to use my tasteless jokes in alt.tasteless.jokes  
against me, and you expect that to intimidate me, you can stick 
all that where the sun don't come up in the morning.



From bwhit@conterra.com Tue Jun  4 20:31:58 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.british
Subject: Re: Asian Invasion of England!
Date: 4 Jun 1996 22:42:07 GMT
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anakin@pinc.com (Rajiv K. Gandhi) wrote:
>In article <4ovo1g$rl2@molokini.conterra.com>, bob whitaker
> wrote:
>
>> >bob whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
>> >:    There are no Native Americans, twit.  They took it from 
>> >: others, we took it from them. 
>
>>    Jesus!  Every one of you clones asks this same question, and 
>> I explain it, again, and then the next one says, "DUHHH!" and I 
>> explain it again... 
>
>Try explaining it once, you moron. Who was here before the Native
>Americans, who most likely arrive on this continent some 20 to 30 thousand
>years ago ?


    Let me make this clear to the meanest intelligence, by 
which I mean yours.  There was never a single group of Native 
Americans who all came in and took over the land and help it 
for tens of thousands of years.  There were waves of peoples 
across the Bering land bridfge, and each drove the one before 
it southward.  The first ones a re almost certainly long since 
dead, ie,the ones a person who was not a moron might actualy 
label native.  
    There are no native peoles anywhere.  No group evolved 
where it is.  So it takes a truly dead brain to accept terms 
like Native American or "a nation of immigrants".



From bwhit@conterra.com Wed Jun  5 02:04:52 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Re: 'pure' races would become inbred
Date: 4 Jun 1996 22:19:24 GMT
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   You are saying that a gene poll of hundreds of millions 
contitutes inbreeding.  That is too silly to discuss.



From bwhit@conterra.com Wed Jun  5 02:04:54 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Re: On Soviet Death Sentence for Anti-Semitism
Date: 3 Jun 1996 17:16:51 GMT
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   Once again, you are saying that amyone who mentions the 
Soviet law agains anti-semitism, which WAS enforced, is a Nazi, 
and should be writing in the die Volkisch Beobachtere, a Nazi 
publication.  That is a Politically Correct answer, of course, 
hiding your backing for totalitarianism behind the opposite 
totalitarianism.  I think you've run out of people to scare 
with it.



From bwhit@conterra.com Wed Jun  5 02:04:55 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
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Subject: Re: I Will Continue to Tell Tasteless Ethnic Jokes in Alt.Tasteless.Jokes...
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All you've proved is that you have a nasty mouth and use the 
word "lie" freely, because you do not consider lying to be 
anything special.



From bwhit@conterra.com Wed Jun  5 16:09:22 PDT 1996
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rag@airmail.net (Kestrel the Fairly Decent Dragon) wrote:
>Paul Peitzmeier  wrote:
>
>>> Child molestors don't need reasons, and porn is a common excuse (one
>>> that fails commonly, might I add).  If you don't want your kids to
>>> find porn, police them, don't police me.
>
>>Just like children not knowing the difference between right and wrong, 
>>rules and laws must be put in place and enforced until you can show that 
>>you can act responsibly on your own.  Support the laws and demand 
>>quicker enforcement.
>
>>until the Nightly News has all Good news.
>
>I'm sorry, I thought I was innocent until proven guilty in this
>country.

     Not victims.


  Silly me.
>
>
>Kestrel
>The Fairly Decent Dragon
>


Love the name.



From bwhit@conterra.com Wed Jun  5 16:09:25 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
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Subject: Re: THE Best Bumper Stickers EVER
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dhilbu1@umbc.edu (Daniel) wrote:
>I kind of liked this one:
>
>i souport publik edekasion
>
>

Wass die joak?



From bwhit@conterra.com Wed Jun  5 21:50:46 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
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Subject: Re: HEY, CLONES, HERE'S MORE HERESY YOU CAN REPORT!
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Who cares?  I got your other clones here.



From bwhit@conterra.com Wed Jun  5 21:50:47 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Asian Invasion of England!
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   Hey, Little Beaver, don't forget your statement to me that 
white people had diptheria and so forth just to give it to 
non-whites.  Do do you hate whites, don't you?



From bwhit@conterra.com Wed Jun  5 21:50:48 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Civil War in America Rages
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clambert@cris.com (Craig Lambert) wrote:
>On 2 Jun 1996 07:22:37 GMT, bob whitaker  wrote:
>
>>   The joke was: Have you heard about the new German microwave 
>>oven?
>>   It seats six
>>
>>    And it takes a real creep to monitor alt.tasteless.jokes 
>>for Political Correctness, creep!
>>
>Yes, on a thread called Re: Request: JEW Jokes.
>
>I haven't the time to wade thru either tasteless jokes or the Married With
>Children group looking for your gems, 'Doc'.  I merely looked you up to see
>if you were telling the truth, or telling more lies.  I followed the leads
>in your profile.  Its called research: a technique you ostensibly are
>familar with, though your output here rarely displays any grasp of its
>merits.
>
>Its a creepy joke, 'Doc'.  The vehemence of your reaction establishes
>clearly that you resent being displayed as a creep.
>
>Your character is a much stronger indicator of your trustworthiness than
>your supposed credentials.  Lying is what you do, creepy is what you
>practice.
>
>
>--
>Craig Lambert
>"I envy paranoids; they actually feel people are paying attention to them."
>Susan Sontag
>I for one am sick to death of obsessive conspiracy theories, in
>fact I think *someone* is using them to drive me crazy!


    The vehemence of my reaction is due to dealing with creeps 
like you.  As the Clinton aide who committed suicide said in 
the note, DC is a place where destroying people is a sport.  
You said you wanted to ruin all racists.  Then you started this 
creepy bit of going into tasteless jokes for evidence.  I've 
dealt with nasty little people like you before.
    If you ever wonder why political people who argue on TV 
often seem to get along well, it is because the common enemy is 
 little sneaks like you.  These are people who stab each other 
in the front.
    You remind of the old '60's radicals who act like they are 
so upset that people got the idea they were not just against 
the war, but against the troops.  They used to troops' families 
in the States with false reports that their son was dead in 
action.  No one mentioned that now, but it was common practice. 
 You probably admire them.  I don't.  That makes us different.



From bwhit@conterra.com Wed Jun  5 21:50:48 PDT 1996
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   All this verbiage was caused by the fact taht Lambert made a 
fool of himself when I pointed out the USSR had laws against 
anti-semitism, just like the ones is clones want here.   He 
shrieked that only a Nazi would say that.
    After it was demonstrated taht such laws did exist, oneof 
Lambert's clones declared I was a Nazi for mentioning it, 
though it was fact, only a Nazi would mention it, you see.
    Now Lambert is showing that despite such laws there was a 
lot of anti-semitism.  No doubt.   The USSR became 
anti-semitic, and I think Stalin always was.  Likewise many 
anti-racists have racist attitudes even they don't know about. 
  All true.
     But none of this makes Lambert's original shrieks 
reasonable.



From bwhit@conterra.com Thu Jun  6 08:14:00 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Nigger/ Gay / Jew Loving Druids must die.
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   If i understand this right, this ridiculous new group 
calliong itself Druids is making politically Correct 
declarations and trying to sound brave.  Sounds like a tired 
old hippy to me.



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   Your clone denouncd me as a Nazi, so you did.  You have 
never disagreed with one of your clones on this ng



From bwhit@conterra.com Fri Jun  7 08:40:35 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
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   Any insult to liberalism means you want to kill six million 
Jews. Right, Caesar?



From bwhit@conterra.com Fri Jun  7 08:47:47 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
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Subject: ARGENTINA DISAPPEARS!
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   There are two parts to the genocidal message of the 
anti-whites, as to all genocidal messages: 1) that the subject 
of the genocide does not exist, ie, it's not genocide and 2) 
the object of the genocide is the root of all evil.
    Thus the white race does not exist because there are 
different interpretations of the limits to that race.  This is 
the based on the disappearance of Argentina.  We all know that 
there is a debate as to whether Argentina includes what the 
Brits call the Falkland Islands. The day that debate began, 
Argentina disappeared --- Poof!
    After all, the moment there was a disagreement as to the 
borders of Argentina, there was no Argentina, right?
     I am planning on moving into building that the so-called 
"Argentinians" call the Embassy of so-called "Argentina".  The 
non-existent "Argentinians" surely won't object, and if they 
do, I'll shame them by quoting our resident intellectuals here.




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From: bob whitaker 
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   Any insult to liberalism means you want to kill six million 
Jews. Right, Caesar?



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From: bob whitaker 
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   Any insult to liberalism means you want to kill six million 
Jews. Right, Caesar?



From bwhit@conterra.com Sun Jun  9 13:24:58 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
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Subject: Re: ARGENTINA DISAPPEARS!
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holman@katk.helsinki.fi (Eugene Holman) wrote:
>In one of his facetious moods Bob Whitaker wrote:
>> 
>>    There are two parts to the genocidal message of the
>> anti-whites, as to all genocidal messages: 1) that the subject
>> of the genocide does not exist, ie, it's not genocide and 2)
>> the object of the genocide is the root of all evil.
>>     Thus the white race does not exist because there are
>> different interpretations of the limits to that race.  This is
>> the based on the disappearance of Argentina.  We all know that
>> there is a debate as to whether Argentina includes what the
>> Brits call the Falkland Islands. The day that debate began,
>> Argentina disappeared --- Poof!
>>     After all, the moment there was a disagreement as to the
>> borders of Argentina, there was no Argentina, right?
>>      I am planning on moving into building that the so-called
>> "Argentinians" call the Embassy of so-called "Argentina".  The
>> non-existent "Argentinians" surely won't object, and if they
>> do, I'll shame them by quoting our resident intellectuals here.
>
>
>Oh simple simplicity! In our everyday lives we deal with discrete and
>fuzzy concepts. 'Whiteness', like 'agedness' is a fuzzy concept. We can
>say that somebody is 'white', just like we can say that somebody is
>'aged', but the borderlines between [±white] or [±aged] are not discrete
>like the borderlines between [±Argentina]. 
>
>The dispute about Argentina does not involve its existence, but rather
>whether its existence includes a specific piece of territory. Thus, nobody
>except Bob in one of his facetious moods doubts the existence of
>Argentina, but rather the issue at stake is the relative validity of the
>two alternative definitions of Argentina as a discrete entity. For fuzzy
>concepts things work a differently: in a room full of 20 year olds a 50
>year old is [+old], in a room full of 80 year olds, he is [-old]. The fact
>that different contexts assign his chronological age to different polarity
>values of [±old] negates neither his existence nor that of his
>chronological age. Additionally, a person can never be 100% old, since
>nobody knows the upper limit of the human lifespan.
>
>Whiteness in the sense of 'unblemished Whiteness' is a *logical and
>biological impossibility*. Its existence is precluded by the fact that all
>human beings have the same genetic history which utimately leads back to
>Africa.

   But in the absolute terms you are laying down, Argentina 
also does not exist.  It is made up of your ersatz Africans, 
and its territory was that of others a relatively split second 
ago in these terms.  
    How can one be loyal to this instantaneous entity called 
Argentine, but not to one's own race because there is an 
argument that in terms of hundreds of thousands of years it 
goes back to a comon origin?
    My point is that, when one gets outside the relative 
silliness we are allowed on both sides in this ng, nobody 
actually believes  the white race does not exist.  This is 
merely an argument to let it go.  The same sort of argument can 
be and has been made more logically against the existence of 
countries, but someone who tries to do something on t hat basis 
in the real world, like my hypothetical grab of the Argentine 
Embassy, would end up missing major organ parts.
     By the same token, one who tries to justify "disappearing" 
the white race in such a way may still looked upon in the real 
world as engaging in genocide.

 
 In more practical terms, a person with one 'full-blooded 
Negro'
>and seven 'unsullied White' grandparents, an octoroon, can easily have all
>the outward appearances of a 'White' person and thus 'pass for white' even
>though he/she is, at best, 7/8 white. Since human genetic history
>precludes the possibility of anyone being 100% White, and 'Blackness' in
>an overwhelmingly 'White' population will be more or less neutralized
>after three to four generations, and is thus part of the genetic heritage
>of many people who consider themselves 'White', we run into the very real
>problem that [±White] is a fuzzy category like [±old]. Many dark-haired,
>hirsute Americans of southern European background would not, for example,
>be regarded as 'white' in Moscow (where many 'persons of Caucasian
>nationality', such as Chechens [I'm sure many of you have seen pictures of
>the recently deceased Chechen leader General Dudayev; he looks 'White' to
>me] and Ingutians, but regarded as 'blacks' or 'niggers' by Russians, were
>rounded up and expelled last year). 
>
>So Argentina exists as an *objective entity*, although there is a dispute
>based on *subjective* factors (the relative validity of former and present
>occupation, disputed treaties, distance from the two claimant motherlands,
>relative willingness to use force, and existence of colonists as criteria
>of ownership) which results in it having two competing but both
>well-defined definitions. Whiteness, in contrast, exists only as a
>*subjective* entity because there is *no objective set of criteria* that
>would, in all contexts, allow for an unambiguous distinction between, let
>us say, the darkest, curly-haired "White" and the lightest,
>straight-haired "Non-White": nobody is 100% 'White' (in the sense of
>totally lacking African genes), but for some people 75% 'White' is enough,
>for others 50%, for others 'enough to see' (who?), for others 'enough to
>know about' (who?). It is indeed a fuzzy category.
>
>Once again, I am not quibbling, but rather would like to remind readers of
>some of the practical consequences of this dilemma. South African
>Apartheid had to introduce a category of 'Coloreds' to accommodate those
>who were neither 'White' nor 'Black'. In some states of the American south
>Jim Crow laws assigned Asian Americans to the Non-white category ('All who
>are not [+White] are [-White]'), others put them in the White category
>('All who are not [+Black] are [+White]'), with considerable confusion and
>embarrassment for these people when crossing state boundaries. For reasons
>of expediency the Nazis and South African Apartheidists regarded the
>Japanese, but not the Chinese or Koreans, as 'honorary Whites'. These
>practical examples should suffice to show the chimera which the subjective
>concept of 'race' is when applied to the objective realities of everyday
>life.
>
>Regards,
>Eugene Holman




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Subject: Re: Let's give Solzhenitsyn the last word
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clambert@cris.com (Craig Lambert) wrote:
>On 5 Jun 1996 21:44:56 GMT, bob whitaker  wrote:
>
>>   All this verbiage was caused by the fact taht Lambert made a 
>>fool of himself when I pointed out the USSR had laws against 
>>anti-semitism, just like the ones is clones want here.   He 
>>shrieked that only a Nazi would say that.
>>    After it was demonstrated taht such laws did exist, oneof 
>>Lambert's clones declared I was a Nazi for mentioning it, 
>>though it was fact, only a Nazi would mention it, you see.
>>    Now Lambert is showing that despite such laws there was a 
>>lot of anti-semitism.  No doubt.   The USSR became 
>>anti-semitic, and I think Stalin always was.  Likewise many 
>>anti-racists have racist attitudes even they don't know about. 
>>  All true.
>>     But none of this makes Lambert's original shrieks 
>>reasonable.
>>
>You are indeed an amazingly brazen liar, 'Doc'.  Your first, lying claim
>was that the novel The First Circle contained proof that anti-semitism was
>punishable by death in the Soviet Union, but that the news media in this
>country covered this "fact" up.  You have since changed your position five
>times, piling lie upon lie each time.
>
>I never shrieked anything.  I did however point out that given the Soviet
>penchant for lying and spewing propaganda, (a penchant you share) making a
>big deal about one supposed law with a series of made-up references showed
>clearly your concern not with truth, or with justice, but with smearing
>people who are Jewish.  You said people were given the death penalty for
>being anti-semetic, and this 'fact' was never mentioned in the US Media.
>Why the hell should it be?  You never got back to us on that.
>
>Do you, Bob Whitaker, regret that Joe Stalin was never punished for being
>anti-Semitic?  Doesn't his rise to ultimate power over the government of
>Russia establish just how important laws against anti-Semitism were in the
>Soviet Union, given what I have shown was his long-standing anti-Semitism?
>Have you shown even one person executed for being an anti-Semite to set
>against the many I showed died in Stalin's purges of Jews?  He killed
>people for being Jewish. Where are the bodies of people killed for being
>anti-Semites in the Soviet Union?
>
>On one thread you claimed you are able to learn, when you are wrong.
>Apparently, another 'Doc' Bob Whitaker lie.  You just lay smoke and start
>maneuvering, continuing to make lying accusations.
>
>By the way, I'm interested in who this 'clone' of mine who 'shrieked you
>are a Nazi'  on this Soviet death penalty is.  I've challenged you each
>time you've made that lie about me (a lie I see you repeat in your latest
>post) to show us what I said that justifies that remark.  Now I'd like you
>to show us who this 'clone' is and what he said.  There is one person,
>'Arti Itra,' whose posts you are mis-construing in a most fantastic
>fashion.  If that's the 'clone' who called you a Nazi, you have the reading
>comprehension of a third-grader.  Reading your remarks to him on the 'On
>Soviet Death Sentences for Anti-Semitism' thread demonstrates perfectly how
>you see what you want to see and leap to conclusions about people who
>disagree with you in the slightest degree without any sign of reading what
>they actually say.
>
>But that's part of your special charm, 'Doc,' as is characterizing solid
>research as "verbiage". 
>
>
>--
>Craig Lambert
>White Supremacists, Neo-Nazis, Klannies, Aryans, Racist Skins et al:
>1865: you lost
>1945: you lost
>1996: still losers


     You are right about *The First Circle*, though not about 
the death penalty.  *The First Circle* mentions only the minor 
penalty of ten years in the Gulag for using the word "kike" was 
actually imposed, and nobody ever died in a Siberian work camp, 
of course.  I had read a statement near the last wrongly and 
stated the specific death penalty was there.  Unlike 
Politically Correct people, I am sometimes wrong and have to 
say so.
    There was, however, such a death penalty for anti-semites.. 
 The very concept upset you terribly.   Please remember that at 
first you said that even suggesting such pnishment by the USSR 
for anti-semitism was an evil piece of purposeful Hate.  Now 
you say it may have been the law, but somehow mentioning it is 
Evil.
    I said the press never mentioned any punishment for 
antsemitism, *The First Circle* does give a specific example, 
though it was only for ten years in Siberian death camps rather 
than death specifically.  The media NEVER mentions this, as you 
own ignorance-- very militant ignorance -- of it indicated.
     What I said was, in other words, true in its important 
respects.  This is generally the case when you atttack me in 
this way.  My  general point is accurate, and you make a good 
legal case against me.
          



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Subject: What IS "Neo" About Nazis?
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    In passing, Little Beaver objected to the term "neo-Nazi", 
indicating he thought Nazis weren't neo.  The term was coined 
by the press and the media, not exactly the right's best 
buddies, so it was not done to make the neo-Nazis feel better.
    The only thing I can think of is that "Neo-Nazi" indicates 
that Hitler's crowd was legitimate, and the modern ones are 
artificial.  On the other hand, no one calls today's free 
market-oriented Communist Party in Italy "neo-Communists".
    Anybody know what the "neo-" is supposed to be for?



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From: bob whitaker 
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clambert@cris.com (Craig Lambert) wrote:
>On 3 Jun 1996 21:09:02 GMT, bob whitaker  wrote:
>
>>  I didn't say anything bad about Jews, dumbo.  
>>
>You posted the joke in a thread titled 'Re: Request: JEW Jokes"
>
>I can put the header up again, if you show signs of thinking your lying is
>convincing anyone of anything.
>
>

   Politically Correct people are not exactly known for a sense 
of humor, so you wouldn't know this, but people make jokes 
about Southerners or Canadians who are not out to kill them.  A 
lot of them are Canadians.  Yes, some Jews do make Holocaust 
jokes. I heard one in a play in a synagogue!   Once again, as a 
good PC, you won't understand this, but people often make jokes 
about tragedies.
    



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Xowyne@teejay.demon.co.uk (Xowyne) wrote:
>Caesar  wrote:
>
>
>>Do you racists support the right of blacks or
>>Jews to free speech?
>
>
>>-- 
>
>Do you anti - racists support the right of racists to free speech?.
>


Any time this question has come up, Caesar has stated that an 
Aryan state would or Hitler did impose enormous penalties on 
anti-racist speech, and therefore that he advocated 
restrictions on the freedom of speech of anyone he calls a 
racist as vicious as those of Hitler.   
   This is a logical extension of the indication by all the 
clones that anybody who is against the white race being 
immigrated and miscegenated out of existence is a Nazi, but 
only Caesar has been honest enough to state it so flatly. 



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paul@mustang.mv.com (Whitey) wrote:
>aryal19@mail.idt.net wrote:
>
>>Laura Finsten  wrote:
>
>>>bob whitaker  wrote:
>
>>>>   In the mass of red herrings and accusations Craig Lambert 
>>>>poutred forth to cover the fact that he was simply wrong, I 
>>>>found one that was especially sad.   
>>>>   He declared that I lied about not saying anything 
>>>>anti-semitic because, in "Tasteless Jokes", I inserted the 
>>>>following:
>>>>   Did you hear about the rabbi who did circumcisions drunk?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   He had a ball.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    This, in Lambert's view, constitutes anti-Soviet, sorry, I 
>>>>mean anti-American propaganda.   
>>>>    Everyone who ever laughed at this joke through the years, 
>>>>including Jews, will be rounded up as conspirators, of course. 
>
>
>>>I haven't read all of the exchanges between you and Craig,
>>>Mr. Whitaker.  I'm not sure what you are saying he was 
>>>"simply wrong" about.
>
>>>I did see Craig express some horror that your idea of a
>>>joke is one about Jews and ovens.  Let's see, how did it go -
>>>Have you heard about the new German microwave oven?  It holds
>>>six Jews.  Something to that effect.  You did post such a 
>>>"joke", did you not Mr. Whitaker?  It certainly is antisemitic
>>>in my books.
>
>
>>Excuse me but is there no such thing as free speech?  I guess if
>>someone (in power) doesn't like what you say they can now jail you?
>>How wonderful.  Well, I guess the next time anyone calls a person a
>>racist, I guess they can also be jailed?  How about a NAZI, can I too
>>press charges and have them jailed? NOT!!! Wake up, It's getting
>>pretty deep!!!!!!!!!
>
>Excuse me, but I don't see where in Laura's post she ever mentioned
>that incarceration should be Bob's fate for lying in a public forum. I
>think being publicly displayed in the act of a falsehood was fitting
>punishment.



    Clones back clones a hundred percent at all times.
    In a long and fairly active life, I have never seen anybody 
who used the word "lie" as frequently and as lightly as you 
clones do who also had any respect for the truth himself.
    A lie is an intentional false statement.  I never said 
anything back about Jews on the internet, though I have said 
ssid some things that proved to be not true or, more often, not 
provable.  To you, since you take the word "lie" so lightly, 
there's no difference.  
     But, as I say, to you clones a lie is no big deal. 



 The fact that some of your white-power pals honestly
>believe that everyone who has ever pointed out the absolute stupidity
>and indefensibility of their views will be killed in a coming race war
>doesn't strike you as ironic in the face of your righteous indignation
>at what you feel is an affront to Bob's 1st ammendment rights?
>
>Byte me.
> 
>                            
>




From bwhit@conterra.com Tue Jun 11 15:10:42 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Black beauties... (was: Once again, ...)
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jfrane@teleport.com (Jeff Frane) wrote:
>On Sun, 09 Jun 1996 13:04:22 +0000, Chuck Ferree 
>wrote:
>
>Please, folks, clean up your attributions when you are quoting posts.
>I can't figure out what the hell this is all about, but somehow
>Chuck(?) has gotten the idea that I wrote:
>
>>> In article <31b5fd4a.23459236@news>, jfrane@teleport.com (Jeff Frane) said:
>>> 
>>> >>
>>> >>I still say bullshit.
>
>and has concluded that I'm a bigot who agrees with Lester, who prefers
>"real life" over book-learning.  Actually, Chuck, I believe in both
>real life and booklearning, but I have yet to find anything I agree
>with Lester about.
>
>Pay attention, please.
>

     One of these days you anti-whites("anti-racists") are 
going to get your complete Thought Police approach into power, 
either by the Lambert American Way(ruin all racists' careers) 
or Caesar's good old Stalinist arrest and hard time approach.  
When that is in real control, slips like this are going to be 
really fatal to people like you, who fought so hard to bring it 
 about.
     And it couldn't happen to nicer guys!




From bwhit@conterra.com Tue Jun 11 16:07:27 PDT 1996
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fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu (Fragano Ledgister) wrote:
>bob whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
>: fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu (Fragano Ledgister) wrote:
>: >bob whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
>: >:    There are no Native Americans, twit.  They took it from 
>: >: others, we took it from them. 
>: >
>: >What others? Atlanteans? Martians? Greys from Zeta Reticuli?
>: >
>: >--
>: >Dawn over the dark sea brings on the sun;                      
>: >She leans across the hilltop: see, the light!
>: >--------------------------------------------------------------------
>: >fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu  
>
>
>:    Jesus!  Every one of you clones asks this same question, and 
>: I explain it, again, and then the next one says, "DUHHH!" and I 
>: explain it again...   
>
>Have you considered that the problem is within yourself.
>
>Again what 'others' did Native Americans take the Americans from?
>(Hint the human population prior to the arrival of the
>proto-Amerinds was 0).
>
>
>
>
>--
>Dawn over the dark sea brings on the sun;                      
>She leans across the hilltop: see, the light!
>--------------------------------------------------------------------
>fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu  


    Lord, dumb-dumb, you're incurable!



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   You better watch your ass, boy.  Rosanne is Jewish!
   



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   You better watch your ass, boy.  Rosanne is Jewish!
   



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   You better watch your ass, boy.  Rosanne is Jewish!
   



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   You better watch your ass, boy.  Rosanne is Jewish!
   



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   You better watch your ass, boy.  Rosanne is Jewish!
   



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evil Beavis  wrote:
>fh wrote:
>> 
>> In  jeannek@rio.com (Jeanne
>> Kowalewski) writes:
>> >
>> >In article <4pah2h$kqt@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
>> >bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>> >
>> >* ai433@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (John Baglow) wrote:
>> >*
>> >* (snip)
>> >*
>> >* >Phil, you're missing my point. If the Black men Bucky is referring
>> to have
>> >* >all ended up with white women, and that is because white is
>> beautiful and
>> >* >Black is ugly, then how do you explain the corollary fact that
>> those white
>> >* >women have all ended up with Black men?
>> >*
>> >* Women, on the average, are more concerned than men are with being
>> >* "fashionable" and being nice rather than being honest.  The "Whassa
>> >* matter, you don' like Blacks?" whine that negroes invariably resort
>> to
>> >* when rebuffed by Whites works rather better with women than it does
>> with men.
>> >*
>> >* >Surely those women have a say in
>> >* >the relationship they end up in, so that clearly they find Black
>> men
>> >* >>attractive.  Until they get beaten up or murdered by moralless
>> welfare grubbers.
>> 
>> >
>
>No doubt. Watch out for those drunken, uneducated, and unemployed 
>redneck pieces of shit lurking in Americas trailerparks. They'll beat 
>you up for nothing and maybe kill you too. Is that who you're referring 
>to??!
>
>eB


   It is a generally recognized fact that men tend to look more 
for beauty than women do.
   I know you clones resort to filthy language when anyone is 
allowed to contradict you, but you and the Reverend Sister are 
really losing it, aren't you?



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   You better watch your ass, boy.  Rosanne is Jewish!
   



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Laura Finsten  wrote:
>bob whitaker  wrote:
>
>[cut]
>
>>    Clones back clones a hundred percent at all times.
>>    In a long and fairly active life, I have never seen anybody 
>>who used the word "lie" as frequently and as lightly as you 
>>clones do who also had any respect for the truth himself.
>>    A lie is an intentional false statement.  I never said 
>>anything back about Jews on the internet, though I have said 
>>ssid some things that proved to be not true or, more often, not 
>>provable.  To you, since you take the word "lie" so lightly, 
>>there's no difference.  
>>     But, as I say, to you clones a lie is no big deal. 
>
>[cut]
>
>Whitey was merely pointing out the difference between pointing
>out a lie, or asking a person about something they said, and
>threatening or wishing to imprison a person for what they say.
>The poster who inferred this from my remarks was putting words
>in my mouth that don't belong there at all.  But s/he doesn't
>seem to realise that "free speech" doesn't mean never having
>to account for what you say.  Bit too subtle.
>
>Seems to have been a bit too subtle for you, too Mr. Whitaker.
>Can you explain the difference between "a lie" and "things that
>proved not to be true"?  Are you attempting to make a distinction
>between purposeful and unintentional mistruths?  If you are
>claiming the latter, you might be more believable if you had
>ever admitted error.  If you don't acknowledge that something
>you have said is untrue, that you did not realise that at the
>time, what conclusion is a reader to draw but that you have
>intentionally misled (i.e., lied)?  Seems to me that lies and
>errors are no big deal to you, Mr. Whitaker.
>
>
   I'VE never admitted error?  How about you and your clones!? 
 Look at Ole Kreiberg's proof of Stalin's death penalty against 
anti-semites, which i was-- again -- accused of being a Nazi 
for mentioning?   You will never admit you were wrong on that 
one.
    What about your endless argument in favor of the 
proposition that a gene pool of hundreds of millions 
constitutes inbreeding?
     You people absolutely NEVER admit you were ever wrong.
    It is hard to believe that a person with any education, 
even a clone, would not know the difference between a lie and 
an error.  But you folks don't take the charge of lying as 
particularly special, so I guess it wouldn't matter to you.



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fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu (Fragano Ledgister) wrote:
>bob whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
>: fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu (Fragano Ledgister) wrote:
>: >bob whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
>: >:    There are no Native Americans, twit.  They took it from 
>: >: others, we took it from them. 
>: >
>: >What others? Atlanteans? Martians? Greys from Zeta Reticuli?
>: >
>: >--
>: >Dawn over the dark sea brings on the sun;                      
>: >She leans across the hilltop: see, the light!
>: >--------------------------------------------------------------------
>: >fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu  
>
>
>:    Jesus!  Every one of you clones asks this same question, and 
>: I explain it, again, and then the next one says, "DUHHH!" and I 
>: explain it again...   
>
>Have you considered that the problem is within yourself.
>
>Again what 'others' did Native Americans take the Americans from?
>(Hint the human population prior to the arrival of the
>proto-Amerinds was 0).
>
>
>
>
>--
>Dawn over the dark sea brings on the sun;                      
>She leans across the hilltop: see, the light!
>--------------------------------------------------------------------
>fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu  


    Lord, dumb-dumb, you're incurable!



From bwhit@conterra.com Wed Jun 12 07:16:24 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.british
Subject: Re: Asian Invasion of England!
Date: 10 Jun 1996 21:59:24 GMT
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fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu (Fragano Ledgister) wrote:
>bob whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
>: fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu (Fragano Ledgister) wrote:
>: >bob whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
>: >:    There are no Native Americans, twit.  They took it from 
>: >: others, we took it from them. 
>: >
>: >What others? Atlanteans? Martians? Greys from Zeta Reticuli?
>: >
>: >--
>: >Dawn over the dark sea brings on the sun;                      
>: >She leans across the hilltop: see, the light!
>: >--------------------------------------------------------------------
>: >fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu  
>
>
>:    Jesus!  Every one of you clones asks this same question, and 
>: I explain it, again, and then the next one says, "DUHHH!" and I 
>: explain it again...   
>
>Have you considered that the problem is within yourself.
>
>Again what 'others' did Native Americans take the Americans from?
>(Hint the human population prior to the arrival of the
>proto-Amerinds was 0).
>
>
>
>
>--
>Dawn over the dark sea brings on the sun;                      
>She leans across the hilltop: see, the light!
>--------------------------------------------------------------------
>fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu  


    Lord, dumb-dumb, you're incurable!



From bwhit@conterra.com Wed Jun 12 11:19:06 PDT 1996
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fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu (Fragano Ledgister) wrote:
>bob whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
>: fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu (Fragano Ledgister) wrote:
>: >bob whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
>: >:    There are no Native Americans, twit.  They took it from 
>: >: others, we took it from them. 
>: >
>: >What others? Atlanteans? Martians? Greys from Zeta Reticuli?
>: >
>: >--
>: >Dawn over the dark sea brings on the sun;                      
>: >She leans across the hilltop: see, the light!
>: >--------------------------------------------------------------------
>: >fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu  
>
>
>:    Jesus!  Every one of you clones asks this same question, and 
>: I explain it, again, and then the next one says, "DUHHH!" and I 
>: explain it again...   
>
>Have you considered that the problem is within yourself.
>
>Again what 'others' did Native Americans take the Americans from?
>(Hint the human population prior to the arrival of the
>proto-Amerinds was 0).
>
>
>
>
>--
>Dawn over the dark sea brings on the sun;                      
>She leans across the hilltop: see, the light!
>--------------------------------------------------------------------
>fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu  


    Lord, dumb-dumb, you're incurable!



From bwhit@conterra.com Fri Jun 14 00:05:44 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
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jhavok@lava.net (James R. Olson, jr.) wrote:
>Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote in a deceptively
>mild tone:
>
>
>->I do advocate racial separatism; much as Jefferson, Lincoln, Monroe, and 
>->the vast majority of our founding fathers advocated it.
>
>
>The only way you are going to achieve racial seperatism is by law, the
>only way you can enforce that law is by force.  Thus by claiming that
>you want racial seperation, you are saying that it should be achieved
>by the use of force.  Your mild tone is patently a lie. 
>
>By the way, I'm curious as to why you never addressed Hiro
>Protagonist's earlier point about race being a flawed paradigm.  Most
>anthropologists agree that race is an artificial construct, since it
>can't be accurately delineated.
>
>	JimmyO
>   
>   Help to launch the future from
>http://www.apollo-society.org/apollo
>       The Apollo Launch Pad
>


     Any professor who didn't testify to that would lose his 
job.  An intelligent person does not take his data from 
totalitarian situations, but you clones certainly do.
      Actually. if you whites the simple choice of living in a 
country which, by immigration law, was limited to whites, you 
would have to build a Berlin Wall around most countries to keep 
most whites in.  All bullshit aside, almost everybody wants to 
raise kids in an all-white environment, including non-whites.
      This is why there was a Berlin Wall, and why you 
anti-whties(aka, anti-racists) cannot afford to allow a single 
white majority country to stay white.  Japan can have all the 
barriers against immigration it wants, but you go to pieces if 
a white country has them.  Socialism and the melting pot are 
silly-ass ideas that sane people do not realy want.  You have 
to cut off ALL choice and build a Berlin Wall or sponsor 
low-cost housing and fair housing laws to block people into 
these situations.
      And please don't come up with the crap you clones always 
bring up at this point(and which you will deny you were going 
to say).  You were going to say that a wall to keep people out 
on Texas' border is just like the Berlin Will.  In other words, 
a prison wall is the same on both sides: for t hose it keeps in 
and those it keeps out. No way.  It's the kind of comic strip 
plausibility you people depend on.
       You cannot allow a white country to exist, because in 
the real world, nobody wants your melting pot.



From bwhit@conterra.com Fri Jun 14 00:05:47 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
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Subject: Re: Good day, racists!
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   Thanks for doing what you did and moving your genes out of 
my race.
   Poor blacks!



From bwhit@conterra.com Fri Jun 14 00:05:48 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: A GREAT DAY FOR FREEDOM!  AN AWFUL DAY FOR CAESAR AND HIS CLONES!
Date: 13 Jun 1996 21:56:44 GMT
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    Yesterday a Federal court threw out the US Congress' 
attempt to censor the internet.  Caesar and the rest of you who 
want Hate Laws and censorship of racist thought have received a 
blow.  Internet Free America is still in business!
     Some clones like Lambert want to dig up info and ruin 
people professionally and financially for being racists, Caesar 
wants them imprisoned and/or shot.  But their dreams have 
received a kick where they deserve one.  



From bwhit@conterra.com Fri Jun 14 08:41:42 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
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Subject: Re: Looking for an expert on Aryan culture
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sterrett@cts.com (Tony Sterrett) wrote:
>I am hoping that some one who is an expert on Aryan culture can answer 
>this question for me.
>
>My cat is a Persian cat. Now I know that Iran which means Aryan is 
>present name for Persia.My cat also has blue eyes, very blue like 
>Hitlers. My cat also act superior around the cats of mixed breed. I have 
>shown him a picture of Hitler and he tried to lick it. He will also come
>to me if I say "Kommen Sie hier".
>
>In addition, my cat hates his (Jewish) vet and has tried to scratch him. 
>I believe he knows that his (Jewish) vet is behind the pills I have to 
>give him because he wont take them! My cat is also very cruel to small 
>animals, he even tortures them before killing.  He has  so many  Aryan 
>traits he must be one. 
>


     For your sake, I have prayed to Vishnu's first question, 
and in my trance I was granted an answer to your question:

     What you got there is Adolf's reincarnation.

      I require no remuneration, but donations are gratefully 
accepted.



From bwhit@conterra.com Fri Jun 14 09:09:24 PDT 1996
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     Good God, you clones are dense!  These unbelievably wild 
limitations on absolute freedom already exist all over the 
world.  They're called immigration laws.
      Please note that the clone pair, Finsten and this guy, 
came up with this enormous limitation on freedom bit in 
sequence, and neither of them thought of immigration laws.  
Neither of them thought, period.
       This is just like my arguments with the Communists who 
were trying to ignore the Berlin Wall.  Those clones sounded 
just like these clones.   Both sets of clones cannot allow 
people the freedom to live outside their system.  No whites can 
be anywhere on earth to themselves, damn what they want.
      Why?   For the same reason the Reds couldn't allow people 
the right to get out: with it, their system would collapse.   
Whites would end up in great shape in their separate society, 
all the bullshit theories aside, just as socialism is a crappy 
system, all bullshit aside.   Whites would pour in there, and 
the absolutely enforced integration system would collapse, just 
as freedom made Communism collapse.




Arne Carlsten  wrote:
>Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote:
>: James R. Olson, jr. wrote:
>
>: > 
>: > Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote in a deceptively
>: > mild tone:
>: > 
>: > ->I do advocate racial separatism; much as Jefferson, Lincoln, Monroe, and
>: > ->the vast majority of our founding fathers advocated it.
>: > 
>: > The only way you are going to achieve racial seperatism is by law, the
>: > only way you can enforce that law is by force.  Thus by claiming that
>: > you want racial seperation, you are saying that it should be achieved
>: > by the use of force.  Your mild tone is patently a lie.
>: > 
>
>: The only way you can stop litter is by law. The only way you can enforce 
>: that law is by force. If you want to stop litter, you are saying it 
>: should be achieved by the use of force. Your mild tone is patently a lie.
>
>
>Gee.  I drive down the streets here and don't see folks lobbing 
>half-eaten Big Macs, or wine bottles, or used diapers, out their 
>windows.  Not even out in the woods, with not a cop in sight.
>
>Seems they don't litter for some other reason than fear of forcibly 
>enforced laws.  Like having enough consideration for their neighbors to 
>_not_ make a mess.
>
>
>: The only way that you can stop discrimination is by law. The only way 
>: that you can enforce that law is by force. If you want to stop 
>: discrimination, you are saying it should be achieved by the use of force. 
>: Your mild tone is patently a lie.
>
>
>Gee, I see people judging those around them on the basis of that person's 
>behavior, not on the basis of their religion or skin color.  It doesn't 
>take a cop with a gun pointed at your head to make the average person act 
>reasonably.
>
>But not littering doesn't infringe upon my right to live freely: no one's 
>said I can't toss garbage out the car window to my heart's delight, only 
>that I can't do it on the _public_ roads where it harms others or in 
>_someone_elses'_ yard where it harms them.  I can lob shit out my windows 
>day and night, so long as I'm not infringing upon others.
>
>I'm perfectly free to discriminate with regard to my friends; it's 
>_public_ discrimination that's acted against.
>
>But the "separatism" you seek to enforce would strip us of that freedom 
>as well: the state would decide who we can socialize with, who we can 
>have sex with, who we can live with.  It would decide, on the basis of 
>race, where we can live and work and visit.  And it would enforce that 
>decision with all the power of the state: by men with guns and dogs, by 
>internal passports, by warrantless searches, and surveillance of our 
>private lives.  Or do you have some other means than those used by Nazi 
>Germany and the Soviet Union and South Africa to enforce such laws?
>
>
>: > By the way, I'm curious as to why you never addressed Hiro
>: > Protagonist's earlier point about race being a flawed paradigm.  Most
>: > anthropologists agree that race is an artificial construct, since it
>: > can't be accurately delineated.
>: > 
>
>: Are you saying that it can _never_ be accurately delineated? What an 
>: interesting conclusion.
>
>: Are you saying that if we cannot precisely define the border between two 
>: entities -- like the Gulf of Mexico and the Mississippi River -- that the 
>: entities themselves do not exist?
>
>: Are you saying that because meteorologists have subjectively or 
>: arbitrarily decided what to call "low pressure" and what to call "high 
>: pressure," that storm systems do not exist?
>
>: What "most anthropologists" believe would be interesting to know, but 
>: certainly not authoritative. Many physical anthropologists would disagree 
>: with you; but let that pass.
>
>
>Name _one_.  "Many," hell, damn near _all_, physical anthropologists 
>would tell you that "race" is a meaningless social construct.  The 
>genetic and physical differences between the so-called races are less 
>than the differences that can be observed _within_ these groups.
>
>But Nazis such as yourself have chosen to fixate upon minor cosmetic 
>factors such as skin color, and to ignore much greater differences and 
>variability in such things as blood types, chemical sensitivities, 
>susceptability to disease organisms...
>
>I've got a degree in anthropology, with a specialization in physical 
>anthro (though geared towards forensic anthro more than genetics).  No 
>one in anthropology, outside such references as the dingbat published 
>back in 1851 you quoted the other day, believes anything approaching your 
>nonsense about "race."
>
>
>
>: By the way, I have addressed the issue of the reality of race in many 
>: posts before -- I suggest you do a Deja News search on my name or 
>: address, and they will all be available to you.
>
>: Many things which usefully and accurately describe the world around us 
>: are "artificial constructs" to some degree: the days of the week, for 
>: example. There is no way to prove that this period of midnight to 
>: midnight at the prime meridian actually _is_ Thursday, for example, 
>: because "Thursday" is a term we have _agreed on_ (though it does describe 
>: something that exists in the real world). Once we fail to agree on that 
>: definition -- such as one of us insisting that sunrise and not midnight, 
>: or Dallas and not Greenwich are the defining points of reference, then 
>: "Thursday" falls apart as a concept we can communicate about. But the 
>: reality behind "Thursday" is unaltered -- it continues to be what it is, 
>: and what it always has been.
>
>: Species, subspecies, and racial boundaries are subject to disagreement 
>: among men -- obviously. But it would be absurd to therefore argue that 
>: life forms do not differentiate and branch off into subspecies, which in 
>: turn branch off into new species. Race is an aspect of this process. And 
>: I think that the primary human races certainly qualify for at least 
>: subspecies classification.
>
>
>Fortunately, aside from a handful of bigots such as yourself, no one 
>agrees with this attempt at dehumanization of 'non-Aryans."
>
>
>: By the way, what is your comment on Arne Carlsten's "mild tone"?
>
>: With all good wishes,
>
>
>: -- 
>
>
>: Kevin Alfred Strom
>
>: -----------------------------------------------------------
>:       Resource list; not all are affiliated with me;
>:                   I speak only for myself:
>
>:                  Occupied America Homepage:
>:       http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/america/
>
>:      Information on Amateur Radio Operations on 3950 kHz:
>:             http://www.usaor.net/users/mckinney/
>
>:                 The Finest in European Art:
>:       http://www.telecall.co.uk/~synergy/gframing/cat2.html
>
>:                    Patriotic Resistance:
>:                   http://www.natvan.com/
>:                   http://www.natall.com/
>
>--
>Arne Gustav Carlsten
>Flagstaff, Arizona
>
>Chomh da/na le muc...




From bwhit@conterra.com Fri Jun 14 09:09:25 PDT 1996
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     Good God, you clones are dense!  These unbelievably wild 
limitations on absolute freedom already exist all over the 
world.  They're called immigration laws.
      Please note that the clone pair, Finsten and this guy, 
came up with this enormous limitation on freedom bit in 
sequence, and neither of them thought of immigration laws.  
Neither of them thought, period.
       This is just like my arguments with the Communists who 
were trying to ignore the Berlin Wall.  Those clones sounded 
just like these clones.   Both sets of clones cannot allow 
people the freedom to live outside their system.  No whites can 
be anywhere on earth to themselves, damn what they want.
      Why?   For the same reason the Reds couldn't allow people 
the right to get out: with it, their system would collapse.   
Whites would end up in great shape in their separate society, 
all the bullshit theories aside, just as socialism is a crappy 
system, all bullshit aside.   Whites would pour in there, and 
the absolutely enforced integration system would collapse, just 
as freedom made Communism collapse.




Arne Carlsten  wrote:
>Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote:
>: James R. Olson, jr. wrote:
>
>: > 
>: > Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote in a deceptively
>: > mild tone:
>: > 
>: > ->I do advocate racial separatism; much as Jefferson, Lincoln, Monroe, and
>: > ->the vast majority of our founding fathers advocated it.
>: > 
>: > The only way you are going to achieve racial seperatism is by law, the
>: > only way you can enforce that law is by force.  Thus by claiming that
>: > you want racial seperation, you are saying that it should be achieved
>: > by the use of force.  Your mild tone is patently a lie.
>: > 
>
>: The only way you can stop litter is by law. The only way you can enforce 
>: that law is by force. If you want to stop litter, you are saying it 
>: should be achieved by the use of force. Your mild tone is patently a lie.
>
>
>Gee.  I drive down the streets here and don't see folks lobbing 
>half-eaten Big Macs, or wine bottles, or used diapers, out their 
>windows.  Not even out in the woods, with not a cop in sight.
>
>Seems they don't litter for some other reason than fear of forcibly 
>enforced laws.  Like having enough consideration for their neighbors to 
>_not_ make a mess.
>
>
>: The only way that you can stop discrimination is by law. The only way 
>: that you can enforce that law is by force. If you want to stop 
>: discrimination, you are saying it should be achieved by the use of force. 
>: Your mild tone is patently a lie.
>
>
>Gee, I see people judging those around them on the basis of that person's 
>behavior, not on the basis of their religion or skin color.  It doesn't 
>take a cop with a gun pointed at your head to make the average person act 
>reasonably.
>
>But not littering doesn't infringe upon my right to live freely: no one's 
>said I can't toss garbage out the car window to my heart's delight, only 
>that I can't do it on the _public_ roads where it harms others or in 
>_someone_elses'_ yard where it harms them.  I can lob shit out my windows 
>day and night, so long as I'm not infringing upon others.
>
>I'm perfectly free to discriminate with regard to my friends; it's 
>_public_ discrimination that's acted against.
>
>But the "separatism" you seek to enforce would strip us of that freedom 
>as well: the state would decide who we can socialize with, who we can 
>have sex with, who we can live with.  It would decide, on the basis of 
>race, where we can live and work and visit.  And it would enforce that 
>decision with all the power of the state: by men with guns and dogs, by 
>internal passports, by warrantless searches, and surveillance of our 
>private lives.  Or do you have some other means than those used by Nazi 
>Germany and the Soviet Union and South Africa to enforce such laws?
>
>
>: > By the way, I'm curious as to why you never addressed Hiro
>: > Protagonist's earlier point about race being a flawed paradigm.  Most
>: > anthropologists agree that race is an artificial construct, since it
>: > can't be accurately delineated.
>: > 
>
>: Are you saying that it can _never_ be accurately delineated? What an 
>: interesting conclusion.
>
>: Are you saying that if we cannot precisely define the border between two 
>: entities -- like the Gulf of Mexico and the Mississippi River -- that the 
>: entities themselves do not exist?
>
>: Are you saying that because meteorologists have subjectively or 
>: arbitrarily decided what to call "low pressure" and what to call "high 
>: pressure," that storm systems do not exist?
>
>: What "most anthropologists" believe would be interesting to know, but 
>: certainly not authoritative. Many physical anthropologists would disagree 
>: with you; but let that pass.
>
>
>Name _one_.  "Many," hell, damn near _all_, physical anthropologists 
>would tell you that "race" is a meaningless social construct.  The 
>genetic and physical differences between the so-called races are less 
>than the differences that can be observed _within_ these groups.
>
>But Nazis such as yourself have chosen to fixate upon minor cosmetic 
>factors such as skin color, and to ignore much greater differences and 
>variability in such things as blood types, chemical sensitivities, 
>susceptability to disease organisms...
>
>I've got a degree in anthropology, with a specialization in physical 
>anthro (though geared towards forensic anthro more than genetics).  No 
>one in anthropology, outside such references as the dingbat published 
>back in 1851 you quoted the other day, believes anything approaching your 
>nonsense about "race."
>
>
>
>: By the way, I have addressed the issue of the reality of race in many 
>: posts before -- I suggest you do a Deja News search on my name or 
>: address, and they will all be available to you.
>
>: Many things which usefully and accurately describe the world around us 
>: are "artificial constructs" to some degree: the days of the week, for 
>: example. There is no way to prove that this period of midnight to 
>: midnight at the prime meridian actually _is_ Thursday, for example, 
>: because "Thursday" is a term we have _agreed on_ (though it does describe 
>: something that exists in the real world). Once we fail to agree on that 
>: definition -- such as one of us insisting that sunrise and not midnight, 
>: or Dallas and not Greenwich are the defining points of reference, then 
>: "Thursday" falls apart as a concept we can communicate about. But the 
>: reality behind "Thursday" is unaltered -- it continues to be what it is, 
>: and what it always has been.
>
>: Species, subspecies, and racial boundaries are subject to disagreement 
>: among men -- obviously. But it would be absurd to therefore argue that 
>: life forms do not differentiate and branch off into subspecies, which in 
>: turn branch off into new species. Race is an aspect of this process. And 
>: I think that the primary human races certainly qualify for at least 
>: subspecies classification.
>
>
>Fortunately, aside from a handful of bigots such as yourself, no one 
>agrees with this attempt at dehumanization of 'non-Aryans."
>
>
>: By the way, what is your comment on Arne Carlsten's "mild tone"?
>
>: With all good wishes,
>
>
>: -- 
>
>
>: Kevin Alfred Strom
>
>: -----------------------------------------------------------
>:       Resource list; not all are affiliated with me;
>:                   I speak only for myself:
>
>:                  Occupied America Homepage:
>:       http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/america/
>
>:      Information on Amateur Radio Operations on 3950 kHz:
>:             http://www.usaor.net/users/mckinney/
>
>:                 The Finest in European Art:
>:       http://www.telecall.co.uk/~synergy/gframing/cat2.html
>
>:                    Patriotic Resistance:
>:                   http://www.natvan.com/
>:                   http://www.natall.com/
>
>--
>Arne Gustav Carlsten
>Flagstaff, Arizona
>
>Chomh da/na le muc...




From bwhit@conterra.com Fri Jun 14 09:09:26 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Knut Hamsun's Body
Date: 14 Jun 1996 06:28:49 GMT
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     Good God, you clones are dense!  These unbelievably wild 
limitations on absolute freedom already exist all over the 
world.  They're called immigration laws.
      Please note that the clone pair, Finsten and this guy, 
came up with this enormous limitation on freedom bit in 
sequence, and neither of them thought of immigration laws.  
Neither of them thought, period.
       This is just like my arguments with the Communists who 
were trying to ignore the Berlin Wall.  Those clones sounded 
just like these clones.   Both sets of clones cannot allow 
people the freedom to live outside their system.  No whites can 
be anywhere on earth to themselves, damn what they want.
      Why?   For the same reason the Reds couldn't allow people 
the right to get out: with it, their system would collapse.   
Whites would end up in great shape in their separate society, 
all the bullshit theories aside, just as socialism is a crappy 
system, all bullshit aside.   Whites would pour in there, and 
the absolutely enforced integration system would collapse, just 
as freedom made Communism collapse.




Arne Carlsten  wrote:
>Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote:
>: James R. Olson, jr. wrote:
>
>: > 
>: > Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote in a deceptively
>: > mild tone:
>: > 
>: > ->I do advocate racial separatism; much as Jefferson, Lincoln, Monroe, and
>: > ->the vast majority of our founding fathers advocated it.
>: > 
>: > The only way you are going to achieve racial seperatism is by law, the
>: > only way you can enforce that law is by force.  Thus by claiming that
>: > you want racial seperation, you are saying that it should be achieved
>: > by the use of force.  Your mild tone is patently a lie.
>: > 
>
>: The only way you can stop litter is by law. The only way you can enforce 
>: that law is by force. If you want to stop litter, you are saying it 
>: should be achieved by the use of force. Your mild tone is patently a lie.
>
>
>Gee.  I drive down the streets here and don't see folks lobbing 
>half-eaten Big Macs, or wine bottles, or used diapers, out their 
>windows.  Not even out in the woods, with not a cop in sight.
>
>Seems they don't litter for some other reason than fear of forcibly 
>enforced laws.  Like having enough consideration for their neighbors to 
>_not_ make a mess.
>
>
>: The only way that you can stop discrimination is by law. The only way 
>: that you can enforce that law is by force. If you want to stop 
>: discrimination, you are saying it should be achieved by the use of force. 
>: Your mild tone is patently a lie.
>
>
>Gee, I see people judging those around them on the basis of that person's 
>behavior, not on the basis of their religion or skin color.  It doesn't 
>take a cop with a gun pointed at your head to make the average person act 
>reasonably.
>
>But not littering doesn't infringe upon my right to live freely: no one's 
>said I can't toss garbage out the car window to my heart's delight, only 
>that I can't do it on the _public_ roads where it harms others or in 
>_someone_elses'_ yard where it harms them.  I can lob shit out my windows 
>day and night, so long as I'm not infringing upon others.
>
>I'm perfectly free to discriminate with regard to my friends; it's 
>_public_ discrimination that's acted against.
>
>But the "separatism" you seek to enforce would strip us of that freedom 
>as well: the state would decide who we can socialize with, who we can 
>have sex with, who we can live with.  It would decide, on the basis of 
>race, where we can live and work and visit.  And it would enforce that 
>decision with all the power of the state: by men with guns and dogs, by 
>internal passports, by warrantless searches, and surveillance of our 
>private lives.  Or do you have some other means than those used by Nazi 
>Germany and the Soviet Union and South Africa to enforce such laws?
>
>
>: > By the way, I'm curious as to why you never addressed Hiro
>: > Protagonist's earlier point about race being a flawed paradigm.  Most
>: > anthropologists agree that race is an artificial construct, since it
>: > can't be accurately delineated.
>: > 
>
>: Are you saying that it can _never_ be accurately delineated? What an 
>: interesting conclusion.
>
>: Are you saying that if we cannot precisely define the border between two 
>: entities -- like the Gulf of Mexico and the Mississippi River -- that the 
>: entities themselves do not exist?
>
>: Are you saying that because meteorologists have subjectively or 
>: arbitrarily decided what to call "low pressure" and what to call "high 
>: pressure," that storm systems do not exist?
>
>: What "most anthropologists" believe would be interesting to know, but 
>: certainly not authoritative. Many physical anthropologists would disagree 
>: with you; but let that pass.
>
>
>Name _one_.  "Many," hell, damn near _all_, physical anthropologists 
>would tell you that "race" is a meaningless social construct.  The 
>genetic and physical differences between the so-called races are less 
>than the differences that can be observed _within_ these groups.
>
>But Nazis such as yourself have chosen to fixate upon minor cosmetic 
>factors such as skin color, and to ignore much greater differences and 
>variability in such things as blood types, chemical sensitivities, 
>susceptability to disease organisms...
>
>I've got a degree in anthropology, with a specialization in physical 
>anthro (though geared towards forensic anthro more than genetics).  No 
>one in anthropology, outside such references as the dingbat published 
>back in 1851 you quoted the other day, believes anything approaching your 
>nonsense about "race."
>
>
>
>: By the way, I have addressed the issue of the reality of race in many 
>: posts before -- I suggest you do a Deja News search on my name or 
>: address, and they will all be available to you.
>
>: Many things which usefully and accurately describe the world around us 
>: are "artificial constructs" to some degree: the days of the week, for 
>: example. There is no way to prove that this period of midnight to 
>: midnight at the prime meridian actually _is_ Thursday, for example, 
>: because "Thursday" is a term we have _agreed on_ (though it does describe 
>: something that exists in the real world). Once we fail to agree on that 
>: definition -- such as one of us insisting that sunrise and not midnight, 
>: or Dallas and not Greenwich are the defining points of reference, then 
>: "Thursday" falls apart as a concept we can communicate about. But the 
>: reality behind "Thursday" is unaltered -- it continues to be what it is, 
>: and what it always has been.
>
>: Species, subspecies, and racial boundaries are subject to disagreement 
>: among men -- obviously. But it would be absurd to therefore argue that 
>: life forms do not differentiate and branch off into subspecies, which in 
>: turn branch off into new species. Race is an aspect of this process. And 
>: I think that the primary human races certainly qualify for at least 
>: subspecies classification.
>
>
>Fortunately, aside from a handful of bigots such as yourself, no one 
>agrees with this attempt at dehumanization of 'non-Aryans."
>
>
>: By the way, what is your comment on Arne Carlsten's "mild tone"?
>
>: With all good wishes,
>
>
>: -- 
>
>
>: Kevin Alfred Strom
>
>: -----------------------------------------------------------
>:       Resource list; not all are affiliated with me;
>:                   I speak only for myself:
>
>:                  Occupied America Homepage:
>:       http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/america/
>
>:      Information on Amateur Radio Operations on 3950 kHz:
>:             http://www.usaor.net/users/mckinney/
>
>:                 The Finest in European Art:
>:       http://www.telecall.co.uk/~synergy/gframing/cat2.html
>
>:                    Patriotic Resistance:
>:                   http://www.natvan.com/
>:                   http://www.natall.com/
>
>--
>Arne Gustav Carlsten
>Flagstaff, Arizona
>
>Chomh da/na le muc...




From bwhit@conterra.com Fri Jun 14 09:09:27 PDT 1996
Article: 32246 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bob whitaker 
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Subject: Re: Knut Hamsun's Body
Date: 14 Jun 1996 06:28:46 GMT
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     Good God, you clones are dense!  These unbelievably wild 
limitations on absolute freedom already exist all over the 
world.  They're called immigration laws.
      Please note that the clone pair, Finsten and this guy, 
came up with this enormous limitation on freedom bit in 
sequence, and neither of them thought of immigration laws.  
Neither of them thought, period.
       This is just like my arguments with the Communists who 
were trying to ignore the Berlin Wall.  Those clones sounded 
just like these clones.   Both sets of clones cannot allow 
people the freedom to live outside their system.  No whites can 
be anywhere on earth to themselves, damn what they want.
      Why?   For the same reason the Reds couldn't allow people 
the right to get out: with it, their system would collapse.   
Whites would end up in great shape in their separate society, 
all the bullshit theories aside, just as socialism is a crappy 
system, all bullshit aside.   Whites would pour in there, and 
the absolutely enforced integration system would collapse, just 
as freedom made Communism collapse.




Arne Carlsten  wrote:
>Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote:
>: James R. Olson, jr. wrote:
>
>: > 
>: > Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote in a deceptively
>: > mild tone:
>: > 
>: > ->I do advocate racial separatism; much as Jefferson, Lincoln, Monroe, and
>: > ->the vast majority of our founding fathers advocated it.
>: > 
>: > The only way you are going to achieve racial seperatism is by law, the
>: > only way you can enforce that law is by force.  Thus by claiming that
>: > you want racial seperation, you are saying that it should be achieved
>: > by the use of force.  Your mild tone is patently a lie.
>: > 
>
>: The only way you can stop litter is by law. The only way you can enforce 
>: that law is by force. If you want to stop litter, you are saying it 
>: should be achieved by the use of force. Your mild tone is patently a lie.
>
>
>Gee.  I drive down the streets here and don't see folks lobbing 
>half-eaten Big Macs, or wine bottles, or used diapers, out their 
>windows.  Not even out in the woods, with not a cop in sight.
>
>Seems they don't litter for some other reason than fear of forcibly 
>enforced laws.  Like having enough consideration for their neighbors to 
>_not_ make a mess.
>
>
>: The only way that you can stop discrimination is by law. The only way 
>: that you can enforce that law is by force. If you want to stop 
>: discrimination, you are saying it should be achieved by the use of force. 
>: Your mild tone is patently a lie.
>
>
>Gee, I see people judging those around them on the basis of that person's 
>behavior, not on the basis of their religion or skin color.  It doesn't 
>take a cop with a gun pointed at your head to make the average person act 
>reasonably.
>
>But not littering doesn't infringe upon my right to live freely: no one's 
>said I can't toss garbage out the car window to my heart's delight, only 
>that I can't do it on the _public_ roads where it harms others or in 
>_someone_elses'_ yard where it harms them.  I can lob shit out my windows 
>day and night, so long as I'm not infringing upon others.
>
>I'm perfectly free to discriminate with regard to my friends; it's 
>_public_ discrimination that's acted against.
>
>But the "separatism" you seek to enforce would strip us of that freedom 
>as well: the state would decide who we can socialize with, who we can 
>have sex with, who we can live with.  It would decide, on the basis of 
>race, where we can live and work and visit.  And it would enforce that 
>decision with all the power of the state: by men with guns and dogs, by 
>internal passports, by warrantless searches, and surveillance of our 
>private lives.  Or do you have some other means than those used by Nazi 
>Germany and the Soviet Union and South Africa to enforce such laws?
>
>
>: > By the way, I'm curious as to why you never addressed Hiro
>: > Protagonist's earlier point about race being a flawed paradigm.  Most
>: > anthropologists agree that race is an artificial construct, since it
>: > can't be accurately delineated.
>: > 
>
>: Are you saying that it can _never_ be accurately delineated? What an 
>: interesting conclusion.
>
>: Are you saying that if we cannot precisely define the border between two 
>: entities -- like the Gulf of Mexico and the Mississippi River -- that the 
>: entities themselves do not exist?
>
>: Are you saying that because meteorologists have subjectively or 
>: arbitrarily decided what to call "low pressure" and what to call "high 
>: pressure," that storm systems do not exist?
>
>: What "most anthropologists" believe would be interesting to know, but 
>: certainly not authoritative. Many physical anthropologists would disagree 
>: with you; but let that pass.
>
>
>Name _one_.  "Many," hell, damn near _all_, physical anthropologists 
>would tell you that "race" is a meaningless social construct.  The 
>genetic and physical differences between the so-called races are less 
>than the differences that can be observed _within_ these groups.
>
>But Nazis such as yourself have chosen to fixate upon minor cosmetic 
>factors such as skin color, and to ignore much greater differences and 
>variability in such things as blood types, chemical sensitivities, 
>susceptability to disease organisms...
>
>I've got a degree in anthropology, with a specialization in physical 
>anthro (though geared towards forensic anthro more than genetics).  No 
>one in anthropology, outside such references as the dingbat published 
>back in 1851 you quoted the other day, believes anything approaching your 
>nonsense about "race."
>
>
>
>: By the way, I have addressed the issue of the reality of race in many 
>: posts before -- I suggest you do a Deja News search on my name or 
>: address, and they will all be available to you.
>
>: Many things which usefully and accurately describe the world around us 
>: are "artificial constructs" to some degree: the days of the week, for 
>: example. There is no way to prove that this period of midnight to 
>: midnight at the prime meridian actually _is_ Thursday, for example, 
>: because "Thursday" is a term we have _agreed on_ (though it does describe 
>: something that exists in the real world). Once we fail to agree on that 
>: definition -- such as one of us insisting that sunrise and not midnight, 
>: or Dallas and not Greenwich are the defining points of reference, then 
>: "Thursday" falls apart as a concept we can communicate about. But the 
>: reality behind "Thursday" is unaltered -- it continues to be what it is, 
>: and what it always has been.
>
>: Species, subspecies, and racial boundaries are subject to disagreement 
>: among men -- obviously. But it would be absurd to therefore argue that 
>: life forms do not differentiate and branch off into subspecies, which in 
>: turn branch off into new species. Race is an aspect of this process. And 
>: I think that the primary human races certainly qualify for at least 
>: subspecies classification.
>
>
>Fortunately, aside from a handful of bigots such as yourself, no one 
>agrees with this attempt at dehumanization of 'non-Aryans."
>
>
>: By the way, what is your comment on Arne Carlsten's "mild tone"?
>
>: With all good wishes,
>
>
>: -- 
>
>
>: Kevin Alfred Strom
>
>: -----------------------------------------------------------
>:       Resource list; not all are affiliated with me;
>:                   I speak only for myself:
>
>:                  Occupied America Homepage:
>:       http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/america/
>
>:      Information on Amateur Radio Operations on 3950 kHz:
>:             http://www.usaor.net/users/mckinney/
>
>:                 The Finest in European Art:
>:       http://www.telecall.co.uk/~synergy/gframing/cat2.html
>
>:                    Patriotic Resistance:
>:                   http://www.natvan.com/
>:                   http://www.natall.com/
>
>--
>Arne Gustav Carlsten
>Flagstaff, Arizona
>
>Chomh da/na le muc...




From bwhit@conterra.com Fri Jun 14 09:09:28 PDT 1996
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     Good God, you clones are dense!  These unbelievably wild 
limitations on absolute freedom already exist all over the 
world.  They're called immigration laws.
      Please note that the clone pair, Finsten and this guy, 
came up with this enormous limitation on freedom bit in 
sequence, and neither of them thought of immigration laws.  
Neither of them thought, period.
       This is just like my arguments with the Communists who 
were trying to ignore the Berlin Wall.  Those clones sounded 
just like these clones.   Both sets of clones cannot allow 
people the freedom to live outside their system.  No whites can 
be anywhere on earth to themselves, damn what they want.
      Why?   For the same reason the Reds couldn't allow people 
the right to get out: with it, their system would collapse.   
Whites would end up in great shape in their separate society, 
all the bullshit theories aside, just as socialism is a crappy 
system, all bullshit aside.   Whites would pour in there, and 
the absolutely enforced integration system would collapse, just 
as freedom made Communism collapse.




Arne Carlsten  wrote:
>Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote:
>: James R. Olson, jr. wrote:
>
>: > 
>: > Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote in a deceptively
>: > mild tone:
>: > 
>: > ->I do advocate racial separatism; much as Jefferson, Lincoln, Monroe, and
>: > ->the vast majority of our founding fathers advocated it.
>: > 
>: > The only way you are going to achieve racial seperatism is by law, the
>: > only way you can enforce that law is by force.  Thus by claiming that
>: > you want racial seperation, you are saying that it should be achieved
>: > by the use of force.  Your mild tone is patently a lie.
>: > 
>
>: The only way you can stop litter is by law. The only way you can enforce 
>: that law is by force. If you want to stop litter, you are saying it 
>: should be achieved by the use of force. Your mild tone is patently a lie.
>
>
>Gee.  I drive down the streets here and don't see folks lobbing 
>half-eaten Big Macs, or wine bottles, or used diapers, out their 
>windows.  Not even out in the woods, with not a cop in sight.
>
>Seems they don't litter for some other reason than fear of forcibly 
>enforced laws.  Like having enough consideration for their neighbors to 
>_not_ make a mess.
>
>
>: The only way that you can stop discrimination is by law. The only way 
>: that you can enforce that law is by force. If you want to stop 
>: discrimination, you are saying it should be achieved by the use of force. 
>: Your mild tone is patently a lie.
>
>
>Gee, I see people judging those around them on the basis of that person's 
>behavior, not on the basis of their religion or skin color.  It doesn't 
>take a cop with a gun pointed at your head to make the average person act 
>reasonably.
>
>But not littering doesn't infringe upon my right to live freely: no one's 
>said I can't toss garbage out the car window to my heart's delight, only 
>that I can't do it on the _public_ roads where it harms others or in 
>_someone_elses'_ yard where it harms them.  I can lob shit out my windows 
>day and night, so long as I'm not infringing upon others.
>
>I'm perfectly free to discriminate with regard to my friends; it's 
>_public_ discrimination that's acted against.
>
>But the "separatism" you seek to enforce would strip us of that freedom 
>as well: the state would decide who we can socialize with, who we can 
>have sex with, who we can live with.  It would decide, on the basis of 
>race, where we can live and work and visit.  And it would enforce that 
>decision with all the power of the state: by men with guns and dogs, by 
>internal passports, by warrantless searches, and surveillance of our 
>private lives.  Or do you have some other means than those used by Nazi 
>Germany and the Soviet Union and South Africa to enforce such laws?
>
>
>: > By the way, I'm curious as to why you never addressed Hiro
>: > Protagonist's earlier point about race being a flawed paradigm.  Most
>: > anthropologists agree that race is an artificial construct, since it
>: > can't be accurately delineated.
>: > 
>
>: Are you saying that it can _never_ be accurately delineated? What an 
>: interesting conclusion.
>
>: Are you saying that if we cannot precisely define the border between two 
>: entities -- like the Gulf of Mexico and the Mississippi River -- that the 
>: entities themselves do not exist?
>
>: Are you saying that because meteorologists have subjectively or 
>: arbitrarily decided what to call "low pressure" and what to call "high 
>: pressure," that storm systems do not exist?
>
>: What "most anthropologists" believe would be interesting to know, but 
>: certainly not authoritative. Many physical anthropologists would disagree 
>: with you; but let that pass.
>
>
>Name _one_.  "Many," hell, damn near _all_, physical anthropologists 
>would tell you that "race" is a meaningless social construct.  The 
>genetic and physical differences between the so-called races are less 
>than the differences that can be observed _within_ these groups.
>
>But Nazis such as yourself have chosen to fixate upon minor cosmetic 
>factors such as skin color, and to ignore much greater differences and 
>variability in such things as blood types, chemical sensitivities, 
>susceptability to disease organisms...
>
>I've got a degree in anthropology, with a specialization in physical 
>anthro (though geared towards forensic anthro more than genetics).  No 
>one in anthropology, outside such references as the dingbat published 
>back in 1851 you quoted the other day, believes anything approaching your 
>nonsense about "race."
>
>
>
>: By the way, I have addressed the issue of the reality of race in many 
>: posts before -- I suggest you do a Deja News search on my name or 
>: address, and they will all be available to you.
>
>: Many things which usefully and accurately describe the world around us 
>: are "artificial constructs" to some degree: the days of the week, for 
>: example. There is no way to prove that this period of midnight to 
>: midnight at the prime meridian actually _is_ Thursday, for example, 
>: because "Thursday" is a term we have _agreed on_ (though it does describe 
>: something that exists in the real world). Once we fail to agree on that 
>: definition -- such as one of us insisting that sunrise and not midnight, 
>: or Dallas and not Greenwich are the defining points of reference, then 
>: "Thursday" falls apart as a concept we can communicate about. But the 
>: reality behind "Thursday" is unaltered -- it continues to be what it is, 
>: and what it always has been.
>
>: Species, subspecies, and racial boundaries are subject to disagreement 
>: among men -- obviously. But it would be absurd to therefore argue that 
>: life forms do not differentiate and branch off into subspecies, which in 
>: turn branch off into new species. Race is an aspect of this process. And 
>: I think that the primary human races certainly qualify for at least 
>: subspecies classification.
>
>
>Fortunately, aside from a handful of bigots such as yourself, no one 
>agrees with this attempt at dehumanization of 'non-Aryans."
>
>
>: By the way, what is your comment on Arne Carlsten's "mild tone"?
>
>: With all good wishes,
>
>
>: -- 
>
>
>: Kevin Alfred Strom
>
>: -----------------------------------------------------------
>:       Resource list; not all are affiliated with me;
>:                   I speak only for myself:
>
>:                  Occupied America Homepage:
>:       http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/america/
>
>:      Information on Amateur Radio Operations on 3950 kHz:
>:             http://www.usaor.net/users/mckinney/
>
>:                 The Finest in European Art:
>:       http://www.telecall.co.uk/~synergy/gframing/cat2.html
>
>:                    Patriotic Resistance:
>:                   http://www.natvan.com/
>:                   http://www.natall.com/
>
>--
>Arne Gustav Carlsten
>Flagstaff, Arizona
>
>Chomh da/na le muc...




From bwhit@conterra.com Fri Jun 14 09:09:29 PDT 1996
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sterrett@cts.com (Tony Sterrett) wrote:
>I am hoping that some one who is an expert on Aryan culture can answer 
>this question for me.
>
>My cat is a Persian cat. Now I know that Iran which means Aryan is 
>present name for Persia.My cat also has blue eyes, very blue like 
>Hitlers. My cat also act superior around the cats of mixed breed. I have 
>shown him a picture of Hitler and he tried to lick it. He will also come
>to me if I say "Kommen Sie hier".
>
>In addition, my cat hates his (Jewish) vet and has tried to scratch him. 
>I believe he knows that his (Jewish) vet is behind the pills I have to 
>give him because he wont take them! My cat is also very cruel to small 
>animals, he even tortures them before killing.  He has  so many  Aryan 
>traits he must be one. 
>


     For your sake, I have prayed to Vishnu's first question, 
and in my trance I was granted an answer to your question:

     What you got there is Adolf's reincarnation.

      I require no remuneration, but donations are gratefully 
accepted.



From bwhit@conterra.com Fri Jun 14 09:09:30 PDT 1996
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Laura Finsten  wrote:
>bob whitaker  wrote:
>>jhavok@lava.net (James R. Olson, jr.) wrote:
>
>[cut]
>
>>>Most
>>>anthropologists agree that race is an artificial construct, since it
>>>can't be accurately delineated.
>
>>     Any professor who didn't testify to that would lose his 
>>job.  An intelligent person does not take his data from 
>>totalitarian situations, but you clones certainly do.
>
>Bullshit, Mr. Whitaker.  I'd like you to explain to me how,
>as one example, L.L. Cavalli-Sforza's data constitute a
>sample taken from "totalitarian situations".  Since you
>seem to think you know so much more than the scientists
>conducting the work that has led them to the conclusion
>that race is not a meaningful *biological* construct for
>humans, perhaps you'd like to take his genetic data, show
>us how he has misinterpreted them, and offer an alternative
>framework.  No?  No need, eh, you know all the *right* answers,
>Mr. Whitaker?
>
>[cut]
>
>
    You didn't disagree about what happens to professors who 
disagree with yout premise, you just covered it over.  
Communists would give me the same crap, telling me about all 
the evidence for scientific socialism at Moscow University.  My 
response was not to go into that trivia, but to look at the big 
picture.  That is, if it's so damned scientific, why can't it 
stand up to open debate?  It can't stand up to open debate if 
anybody opposing it will lose his job.  End of discussion.
    The problem with scientific socialism is you have to put 
machine guns and mines and wa;lls around the people you h ave 
trapped in it.  The problem with your racial equality nonsense 
is that it can't stand up to competition.  Your clones don't 
attack Japan for having immigration restrictions, but they 
attacked Australia, Europe and everybody else who shows signs 
of trying to keep the society white.  
     Not a single country can be all white, becuase you know 
what would happen: most of the whites would end up there.  
     Your equivalent of walls and banning debate is what 
disproves your system.  Openit up and I'll listen.  Keep it the 
way it is, without dissent and without competition, and I have 
no reason to believe a word it comes out with.  
      What is so great about your clones over scientific 
socialism?   The latter has already been exposed, that's the 
only difference.



From bwhit@conterra.com Fri Jun 14 09:09:31 PDT 1996
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holman@katk.helsinki.fi (Eugene Holman) wrote:
> wrote:
>
>> Arne Carlsten wrote:
>
>> >  The day pieces of two-legged
>> > shit like you start trying to run things again, we start dealing with
>> > your lot the way everyone from Siberia to California dealt with the last
>> > bunch: "Front sight, squeeeeze..."
>> > 
>
>To which Kevin Alfred Strom responded in article
><31BD322F.6385@ix.netcom.com>, :
> 
>> Arne, Arne. I never said the slightest thing about violence. This thread 
>> was about the Soviet Union and Communism. I deplore violence and want 
>> only self-determination and freedom for White people. You are the only 
>> one threatening violence and flailing insults about.
>> 
>> With nordic good wishes,
>> 
>
>
>Just another example that 'fellowship' and 'comradeship' do not spring
>from perceived racial communality.
>
>Regards,
>Eugene Holman


     It's really kind of you to be so happy about that, Eugene. 
  In Finland, if you said the same thing about a public spat 
between two Jews, you would probably be arrested by the Thought 
Police/



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holman@katk.helsinki.fi (Eugene Holman) wrote:
> wrote:
>
>> Arne Carlsten wrote:
>
>> >  The day pieces of two-legged
>> > shit like you start trying to run things again, we start dealing with
>> > your lot the way everyone from Siberia to California dealt with the last
>> > bunch: "Front sight, squeeeeze..."
>> > 
>
>To which Kevin Alfred Strom responded in article
><31BD322F.6385@ix.netcom.com>, :
> 
>> Arne, Arne. I never said the slightest thing about violence. This thread 
>> was about the Soviet Union and Communism. I deplore violence and want 
>> only self-determination and freedom for White people. You are the only 
>> one threatening violence and flailing insults about.
>> 
>> With nordic good wishes,
>> 
>
>
>Just another example that 'fellowship' and 'comradeship' do not spring
>from perceived racial communality.
>
>Regards,
>Eugene Holman


     It's really kind of you to be so happy about that, Eugene. 
  In Finland, if you said the same thing about a public spat 
between two Jews, you would probably be arrested by the Thought 
Police/



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jhavok@lava.net (James R. Olson, jr.) wrote:
>Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote in a deceptively
>mild tone:
>
>
>->I do advocate racial separatism; much as Jefferson, Lincoln, Monroe, and 
>->the vast majority of our founding fathers advocated it.
>
>
>The only way you are going to achieve racial seperatism is by law, the
>only way you can enforce that law is by force.  Thus by claiming that
>you want racial seperation, you are saying that it should be achieved
>by the use of force.  Your mild tone is patently a lie. 
>
>By the way, I'm curious as to why you never addressed Hiro
>Protagonist's earlier point about race being a flawed paradigm.  Most
>anthropologists agree that race is an artificial construct, since it
>can't be accurately delineated.
>
>	JimmyO
>   
>   Help to launch the future from
>http://www.apollo-society.org/apollo
>       The Apollo Launch Pad
>


     Any professor who didn't testify to that would lose his 
job.  An intelligent person does not take his data from 
totalitarian situations, but you clones certainly do.
      Actually. if you whites the simple choice of living in a 
country which, by immigration law, was limited to whites, you 
would have to build a Berlin Wall around most countries to keep 
most whites in.  All bullshit aside, almost everybody wants to 
raise kids in an all-white environment, including non-whites.
      This is why there was a Berlin Wall, and why you 
anti-whties(aka, anti-racists) cannot afford to allow a single 
white majority country to stay white.  Japan can have all the 
barriers against immigration it wants, but you go to pieces if 
a white country has them.  Socialism and the melting pot are 
silly-ass ideas that sane people do not realy want.  You have 
to cut off ALL choice and build a Berlin Wall or sponsor 
low-cost housing and fair housing laws to block people into 
these situations.
      And please don't come up with the crap you clones always 
bring up at this point(and which you will deny you were going 
to say).  You were going to say that a wall to keep people out 
on Texas' border is just like the Berlin Will.  In other words, 
a prison wall is the same on both sides: for t hose it keeps in 
and those it keeps out. No way.  It's the kind of comic strip 
plausibility you people depend on.
       You cannot allow a white country to exist, because in 
the real world, nobody wants your melting pot.



From bwhit@conterra.com Fri Jun 14 10:06:30 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
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    When th4ere is one American who goes to your cold, 
effiminate little island for every ten Brits who immigrate 
here, we'll talk about how great you are.



From bwhit@conterra.com Fri Jun 14 10:06:31 PDT 1996
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     Good God, you clones are dense!  These unbelievably wild 
limitations on absolute freedom already exist all over the 
world.  They're called immigration laws.
      Please note that the clone pair, Finsten and this guy, 
came up with this enormous limitation on freedom bit in 
sequence, and neither of them thought of immigration laws.  
Neither of them thought, period.
       This is just like my arguments with the Communists who 
were trying to ignore the Berlin Wall.  Those clones sounded 
just like these clones.   Both sets of clones cannot allow 
people the freedom to live outside their system.  No whites can 
be anywhere on earth to themselves, damn what they want.
      Why?   For the same reason the Reds couldn't allow people 
the right to get out: with it, their system would collapse.   
Whites would end up in great shape in their separate society, 
all the bullshit theories aside, just as socialism is a crappy 
system, all bullshit aside.   Whites would pour in there, and 
the absolutely enforced integration system would collapse, just 
as freedom made Communism collapse.




Arne Carlsten  wrote:
>Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote:
>: James R. Olson, jr. wrote:
>
>: > 
>: > Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote in a deceptively
>: > mild tone:
>: > 
>: > ->I do advocate racial separatism; much as Jefferson, Lincoln, Monroe, and
>: > ->the vast majority of our founding fathers advocated it.
>: > 
>: > The only way you are going to achieve racial seperatism is by law, the
>: > only way you can enforce that law is by force.  Thus by claiming that
>: > you want racial seperation, you are saying that it should be achieved
>: > by the use of force.  Your mild tone is patently a lie.
>: > 
>
>: The only way you can stop litter is by law. The only way you can enforce 
>: that law is by force. If you want to stop litter, you are saying it 
>: should be achieved by the use of force. Your mild tone is patently a lie.
>
>
>Gee.  I drive down the streets here and don't see folks lobbing 
>half-eaten Big Macs, or wine bottles, or used diapers, out their 
>windows.  Not even out in the woods, with not a cop in sight.
>
>Seems they don't litter for some other reason than fear of forcibly 
>enforced laws.  Like having enough consideration for their neighbors to 
>_not_ make a mess.
>
>
>: The only way that you can stop discrimination is by law. The only way 
>: that you can enforce that law is by force. If you want to stop 
>: discrimination, you are saying it should be achieved by the use of force. 
>: Your mild tone is patently a lie.
>
>
>Gee, I see people judging those around them on the basis of that person's 
>behavior, not on the basis of their religion or skin color.  It doesn't 
>take a cop with a gun pointed at your head to make the average person act 
>reasonably.
>
>But not littering doesn't infringe upon my right to live freely: no one's 
>said I can't toss garbage out the car window to my heart's delight, only 
>that I can't do it on the _public_ roads where it harms others or in 
>_someone_elses'_ yard where it harms them.  I can lob shit out my windows 
>day and night, so long as I'm not infringing upon others.
>
>I'm perfectly free to discriminate with regard to my friends; it's 
>_public_ discrimination that's acted against.
>
>But the "separatism" you seek to enforce would strip us of that freedom 
>as well: the state would decide who we can socialize with, who we can 
>have sex with, who we can live with.  It would decide, on the basis of 
>race, where we can live and work and visit.  And it would enforce that 
>decision with all the power of the state: by men with guns and dogs, by 
>internal passports, by warrantless searches, and surveillance of our 
>private lives.  Or do you have some other means than those used by Nazi 
>Germany and the Soviet Union and South Africa to enforce such laws?
>
>
>: > By the way, I'm curious as to why you never addressed Hiro
>: > Protagonist's earlier point about race being a flawed paradigm.  Most
>: > anthropologists agree that race is an artificial construct, since it
>: > can't be accurately delineated.
>: > 
>
>: Are you saying that it can _never_ be accurately delineated? What an 
>: interesting conclusion.
>
>: Are you saying that if we cannot precisely define the border between two 
>: entities -- like the Gulf of Mexico and the Mississippi River -- that the 
>: entities themselves do not exist?
>
>: Are you saying that because meteorologists have subjectively or 
>: arbitrarily decided what to call "low pressure" and what to call "high 
>: pressure," that storm systems do not exist?
>
>: What "most anthropologists" believe would be interesting to know, but 
>: certainly not authoritative. Many physical anthropologists would disagree 
>: with you; but let that pass.
>
>
>Name _one_.  "Many," hell, damn near _all_, physical anthropologists 
>would tell you that "race" is a meaningless social construct.  The 
>genetic and physical differences between the so-called races are less 
>than the differences that can be observed _within_ these groups.
>
>But Nazis such as yourself have chosen to fixate upon minor cosmetic 
>factors such as skin color, and to ignore much greater differences and 
>variability in such things as blood types, chemical sensitivities, 
>susceptability to disease organisms...
>
>I've got a degree in anthropology, with a specialization in physical 
>anthro (though geared towards forensic anthro more than genetics).  No 
>one in anthropology, outside such references as the dingbat published 
>back in 1851 you quoted the other day, believes anything approaching your 
>nonsense about "race."
>
>
>
>: By the way, I have addressed the issue of the reality of race in many 
>: posts before -- I suggest you do a Deja News search on my name or 
>: address, and they will all be available to you.
>
>: Many things which usefully and accurately describe the world around us 
>: are "artificial constructs" to some degree: the days of the week, for 
>: example. There is no way to prove that this period of midnight to 
>: midnight at the prime meridian actually _is_ Thursday, for example, 
>: because "Thursday" is a term we have _agreed on_ (though it does describe 
>: something that exists in the real world). Once we fail to agree on that 
>: definition -- such as one of us insisting that sunrise and not midnight, 
>: or Dallas and not Greenwich are the defining points of reference, then 
>: "Thursday" falls apart as a concept we can communicate about. But the 
>: reality behind "Thursday" is unaltered -- it continues to be what it is, 
>: and what it always has been.
>
>: Species, subspecies, and racial boundaries are subject to disagreement 
>: among men -- obviously. But it would be absurd to therefore argue that 
>: life forms do not differentiate and branch off into subspecies, which in 
>: turn branch off into new species. Race is an aspect of this process. And 
>: I think that the primary human races certainly qualify for at least 
>: subspecies classification.
>
>
>Fortunately, aside from a handful of bigots such as yourself, no one 
>agrees with this attempt at dehumanization of 'non-Aryans."
>
>
>: By the way, what is your comment on Arne Carlsten's "mild tone"?
>
>: With all good wishes,
>
>
>: -- 
>
>
>: Kevin Alfred Strom
>
>: -----------------------------------------------------------
>:       Resource list; not all are affiliated with me;
>:                   I speak only for myself:
>
>:                  Occupied America Homepage:
>:       http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/america/
>
>:      Information on Amateur Radio Operations on 3950 kHz:
>:             http://www.usaor.net/users/mckinney/
>
>:                 The Finest in European Art:
>:       http://www.telecall.co.uk/~synergy/gframing/cat2.html
>
>:                    Patriotic Resistance:
>:                   http://www.natvan.com/
>:                   http://www.natall.com/
>
>--
>Arne Gustav Carlsten
>Flagstaff, Arizona
>
>Chomh da/na le muc...




From bwhit@conterra.com Fri Jun 14 10:06:32 PDT 1996
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     Good God, you clones are dense!  These unbelievably wild 
limitations on absolute freedom already exist all over the 
world.  They're called immigration laws.
      Please note that the clone pair, Finsten and this guy, 
came up with this enormous limitation on freedom bit in 
sequence, and neither of them thought of immigration laws.  
Neither of them thought, period.
       This is just like my arguments with the Communists who 
were trying to ignore the Berlin Wall.  Those clones sounded 
just like these clones.   Both sets of clones cannot allow 
people the freedom to live outside their system.  No whites can 
be anywhere on earth to themselves, damn what they want.
      Why?   For the same reason the Reds couldn't allow people 
the right to get out: with it, their system would collapse.   
Whites would end up in great shape in their separate society, 
all the bullshit theories aside, just as socialism is a crappy 
system, all bullshit aside.   Whites would pour in there, and 
the absolutely enforced integration system would collapse, just 
as freedom made Communism collapse.




Arne Carlsten  wrote:
>Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote:
>: James R. Olson, jr. wrote:
>
>: > 
>: > Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote in a deceptively
>: > mild tone:
>: > 
>: > ->I do advocate racial separatism; much as Jefferson, Lincoln, Monroe, and
>: > ->the vast majority of our founding fathers advocated it.
>: > 
>: > The only way you are going to achieve racial seperatism is by law, the
>: > only way you can enforce that law is by force.  Thus by claiming that
>: > you want racial seperation, you are saying that it should be achieved
>: > by the use of force.  Your mild tone is patently a lie.
>: > 
>
>: The only way you can stop litter is by law. The only way you can enforce 
>: that law is by force. If you want to stop litter, you are saying it 
>: should be achieved by the use of force. Your mild tone is patently a lie.
>
>
>Gee.  I drive down the streets here and don't see folks lobbing 
>half-eaten Big Macs, or wine bottles, or used diapers, out their 
>windows.  Not even out in the woods, with not a cop in sight.
>
>Seems they don't litter for some other reason than fear of forcibly 
>enforced laws.  Like having enough consideration for their neighbors to 
>_not_ make a mess.
>
>
>: The only way that you can stop discrimination is by law. The only way 
>: that you can enforce that law is by force. If you want to stop 
>: discrimination, you are saying it should be achieved by the use of force. 
>: Your mild tone is patently a lie.
>
>
>Gee, I see people judging those around them on the basis of that person's 
>behavior, not on the basis of their religion or skin color.  It doesn't 
>take a cop with a gun pointed at your head to make the average person act 
>reasonably.
>
>But not littering doesn't infringe upon my right to live freely: no one's 
>said I can't toss garbage out the car window to my heart's delight, only 
>that I can't do it on the _public_ roads where it harms others or in 
>_someone_elses'_ yard where it harms them.  I can lob shit out my windows 
>day and night, so long as I'm not infringing upon others.
>
>I'm perfectly free to discriminate with regard to my friends; it's 
>_public_ discrimination that's acted against.
>
>But the "separatism" you seek to enforce would strip us of that freedom 
>as well: the state would decide who we can socialize with, who we can 
>have sex with, who we can live with.  It would decide, on the basis of 
>race, where we can live and work and visit.  And it would enforce that 
>decision with all the power of the state: by men with guns and dogs, by 
>internal passports, by warrantless searches, and surveillance of our 
>private lives.  Or do you have some other means than those used by Nazi 
>Germany and the Soviet Union and South Africa to enforce such laws?
>
>
>: > By the way, I'm curious as to why you never addressed Hiro
>: > Protagonist's earlier point about race being a flawed paradigm.  Most
>: > anthropologists agree that race is an artificial construct, since it
>: > can't be accurately delineated.
>: > 
>
>: Are you saying that it can _never_ be accurately delineated? What an 
>: interesting conclusion.
>
>: Are you saying that if we cannot precisely define the border between two 
>: entities -- like the Gulf of Mexico and the Mississippi River -- that the 
>: entities themselves do not exist?
>
>: Are you saying that because meteorologists have subjectively or 
>: arbitrarily decided what to call "low pressure" and what to call "high 
>: pressure," that storm systems do not exist?
>
>: What "most anthropologists" believe would be interesting to know, but 
>: certainly not authoritative. Many physical anthropologists would disagree 
>: with you; but let that pass.
>
>
>Name _one_.  "Many," hell, damn near _all_, physical anthropologists 
>would tell you that "race" is a meaningless social construct.  The 
>genetic and physical differences between the so-called races are less 
>than the differences that can be observed _within_ these groups.
>
>But Nazis such as yourself have chosen to fixate upon minor cosmetic 
>factors such as skin color, and to ignore much greater differences and 
>variability in such things as blood types, chemical sensitivities, 
>susceptability to disease organisms...
>
>I've got a degree in anthropology, with a specialization in physical 
>anthro (though geared towards forensic anthro more than genetics).  No 
>one in anthropology, outside such references as the dingbat published 
>back in 1851 you quoted the other day, believes anything approaching your 
>nonsense about "race."
>
>
>
>: By the way, I have addressed the issue of the reality of race in many 
>: posts before -- I suggest you do a Deja News search on my name or 
>: address, and they will all be available to you.
>
>: Many things which usefully and accurately describe the world around us 
>: are "artificial constructs" to some degree: the days of the week, for 
>: example. There is no way to prove that this period of midnight to 
>: midnight at the prime meridian actually _is_ Thursday, for example, 
>: because "Thursday" is a term we have _agreed on_ (though it does describe 
>: something that exists in the real world). Once we fail to agree on that 
>: definition -- such as one of us insisting that sunrise and not midnight, 
>: or Dallas and not Greenwich are the defining points of reference, then 
>: "Thursday" falls apart as a concept we can communicate about. But the 
>: reality behind "Thursday" is unaltered -- it continues to be what it is, 
>: and what it always has been.
>
>: Species, subspecies, and racial boundaries are subject to disagreement 
>: among men -- obviously. But it would be absurd to therefore argue that 
>: life forms do not differentiate and branch off into subspecies, which in 
>: turn branch off into new species. Race is an aspect of this process. And 
>: I think that the primary human races certainly qualify for at least 
>: subspecies classification.
>
>
>Fortunately, aside from a handful of bigots such as yourself, no one 
>agrees with this attempt at dehumanization of 'non-Aryans."
>
>
>: By the way, what is your comment on Arne Carlsten's "mild tone"?
>
>: With all good wishes,
>
>
>: -- 
>
>
>: Kevin Alfred Strom
>
>: -----------------------------------------------------------
>:       Resource list; not all are affiliated with me;
>:                   I speak only for myself:
>
>:                  Occupied America Homepage:
>:       http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/america/
>
>:      Information on Amateur Radio Operations on 3950 kHz:
>:             http://www.usaor.net/users/mckinney/
>
>:                 The Finest in European Art:
>:       http://www.telecall.co.uk/~synergy/gframing/cat2.html
>
>:                    Patriotic Resistance:
>:                   http://www.natvan.com/
>:                   http://www.natall.com/
>
>--
>Arne Gustav Carlsten
>Flagstaff, Arizona
>
>Chomh da/na le muc...




From bwhit@conterra.com Fri Jun 14 10:06:33 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Knut Hamsun's Body
Date: 14 Jun 1996 06:28:49 GMT
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     Good God, you clones are dense!  These unbelievably wild 
limitations on absolute freedom already exist all over the 
world.  They're called immigration laws.
      Please note that the clone pair, Finsten and this guy, 
came up with this enormous limitation on freedom bit in 
sequence, and neither of them thought of immigration laws.  
Neither of them thought, period.
       This is just like my arguments with the Communists who 
were trying to ignore the Berlin Wall.  Those clones sounded 
just like these clones.   Both sets of clones cannot allow 
people the freedom to live outside their system.  No whites can 
be anywhere on earth to themselves, damn what they want.
      Why?   For the same reason the Reds couldn't allow people 
the right to get out: with it, their system would collapse.   
Whites would end up in great shape in their separate society, 
all the bullshit theories aside, just as socialism is a crappy 
system, all bullshit aside.   Whites would pour in there, and 
the absolutely enforced integration system would collapse, just 
as freedom made Communism collapse.




Arne Carlsten  wrote:
>Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote:
>: James R. Olson, jr. wrote:
>
>: > 
>: > Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote in a deceptively
>: > mild tone:
>: > 
>: > ->I do advocate racial separatism; much as Jefferson, Lincoln, Monroe, and
>: > ->the vast majority of our founding fathers advocated it.
>: > 
>: > The only way you are going to achieve racial seperatism is by law, the
>: > only way you can enforce that law is by force.  Thus by claiming that
>: > you want racial seperation, you are saying that it should be achieved
>: > by the use of force.  Your mild tone is patently a lie.
>: > 
>
>: The only way you can stop litter is by law. The only way you can enforce 
>: that law is by force. If you want to stop litter, you are saying it 
>: should be achieved by the use of force. Your mild tone is patently a lie.
>
>
>Gee.  I drive down the streets here and don't see folks lobbing 
>half-eaten Big Macs, or wine bottles, or used diapers, out their 
>windows.  Not even out in the woods, with not a cop in sight.
>
>Seems they don't litter for some other reason than fear of forcibly 
>enforced laws.  Like having enough consideration for their neighbors to 
>_not_ make a mess.
>
>
>: The only way that you can stop discrimination is by law. The only way 
>: that you can enforce that law is by force. If you want to stop 
>: discrimination, you are saying it should be achieved by the use of force. 
>: Your mild tone is patently a lie.
>
>
>Gee, I see people judging those around them on the basis of that person's 
>behavior, not on the basis of their religion or skin color.  It doesn't 
>take a cop with a gun pointed at your head to make the average person act 
>reasonably.
>
>But not littering doesn't infringe upon my right to live freely: no one's 
>said I can't toss garbage out the car window to my heart's delight, only 
>that I can't do it on the _public_ roads where it harms others or in 
>_someone_elses'_ yard where it harms them.  I can lob shit out my windows 
>day and night, so long as I'm not infringing upon others.
>
>I'm perfectly free to discriminate with regard to my friends; it's 
>_public_ discrimination that's acted against.
>
>But the "separatism" you seek to enforce would strip us of that freedom 
>as well: the state would decide who we can socialize with, who we can 
>have sex with, who we can live with.  It would decide, on the basis of 
>race, where we can live and work and visit.  And it would enforce that 
>decision with all the power of the state: by men with guns and dogs, by 
>internal passports, by warrantless searches, and surveillance of our 
>private lives.  Or do you have some other means than those used by Nazi 
>Germany and the Soviet Union and South Africa to enforce such laws?
>
>
>: > By the way, I'm curious as to why you never addressed Hiro
>: > Protagonist's earlier point about race being a flawed paradigm.  Most
>: > anthropologists agree that race is an artificial construct, since it
>: > can't be accurately delineated.
>: > 
>
>: Are you saying that it can _never_ be accurately delineated? What an 
>: interesting conclusion.
>
>: Are you saying that if we cannot precisely define the border between two 
>: entities -- like the Gulf of Mexico and the Mississippi River -- that the 
>: entities themselves do not exist?
>
>: Are you saying that because meteorologists have subjectively or 
>: arbitrarily decided what to call "low pressure" and what to call "high 
>: pressure," that storm systems do not exist?
>
>: What "most anthropologists" believe would be interesting to know, but 
>: certainly not authoritative. Many physical anthropologists would disagree 
>: with you; but let that pass.
>
>
>Name _one_.  "Many," hell, damn near _all_, physical anthropologists 
>would tell you that "race" is a meaningless social construct.  The 
>genetic and physical differences between the so-called races are less 
>than the differences that can be observed _within_ these groups.
>
>But Nazis such as yourself have chosen to fixate upon minor cosmetic 
>factors such as skin color, and to ignore much greater differences and 
>variability in such things as blood types, chemical sensitivities, 
>susceptability to disease organisms...
>
>I've got a degree in anthropology, with a specialization in physical 
>anthro (though geared towards forensic anthro more than genetics).  No 
>one in anthropology, outside such references as the dingbat published 
>back in 1851 you quoted the other day, believes anything approaching your 
>nonsense about "race."
>
>
>
>: By the way, I have addressed the issue of the reality of race in many 
>: posts before -- I suggest you do a Deja News search on my name or 
>: address, and they will all be available to you.
>
>: Many things which usefully and accurately describe the world around us 
>: are "artificial constructs" to some degree: the days of the week, for 
>: example. There is no way to prove that this period of midnight to 
>: midnight at the prime meridian actually _is_ Thursday, for example, 
>: because "Thursday" is a term we have _agreed on_ (though it does describe 
>: something that exists in the real world). Once we fail to agree on that 
>: definition -- such as one of us insisting that sunrise and not midnight, 
>: or Dallas and not Greenwich are the defining points of reference, then 
>: "Thursday" falls apart as a concept we can communicate about. But the 
>: reality behind "Thursday" is unaltered -- it continues to be what it is, 
>: and what it always has been.
>
>: Species, subspecies, and racial boundaries are subject to disagreement 
>: among men -- obviously. But it would be absurd to therefore argue that 
>: life forms do not differentiate and branch off into subspecies, which in 
>: turn branch off into new species. Race is an aspect of this process. And 
>: I think that the primary human races certainly qualify for at least 
>: subspecies classification.
>
>
>Fortunately, aside from a handful of bigots such as yourself, no one 
>agrees with this attempt at dehumanization of 'non-Aryans."
>
>
>: By the way, what is your comment on Arne Carlsten's "mild tone"?
>
>: With all good wishes,
>
>
>: -- 
>
>
>: Kevin Alfred Strom
>
>: -----------------------------------------------------------
>:       Resource list; not all are affiliated with me;
>:                   I speak only for myself:
>
>:                  Occupied America Homepage:
>:       http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/america/
>
>:      Information on Amateur Radio Operations on 3950 kHz:
>:             http://www.usaor.net/users/mckinney/
>
>:                 The Finest in European Art:
>:       http://www.telecall.co.uk/~synergy/gframing/cat2.html
>
>:                    Patriotic Resistance:
>:                   http://www.natvan.com/
>:                   http://www.natall.com/
>
>--
>Arne Gustav Carlsten
>Flagstaff, Arizona
>
>Chomh da/na le muc...




From bwhit@conterra.com Fri Jun 14 10:06:34 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
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Subject: Re: Knut Hamsun's Body
Date: 14 Jun 1996 06:28:46 GMT
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     Good God, you clones are dense!  These unbelievably wild 
limitations on absolute freedom already exist all over the 
world.  They're called immigration laws.
      Please note that the clone pair, Finsten and this guy, 
came up with this enormous limitation on freedom bit in 
sequence, and neither of them thought of immigration laws.  
Neither of them thought, period.
       This is just like my arguments with the Communists who 
were trying to ignore the Berlin Wall.  Those clones sounded 
just like these clones.   Both sets of clones cannot allow 
people the freedom to live outside their system.  No whites can 
be anywhere on earth to themselves, damn what they want.
      Why?   For the same reason the Reds couldn't allow people 
the right to get out: with it, their system would collapse.   
Whites would end up in great shape in their separate society, 
all the bullshit theories aside, just as socialism is a crappy 
system, all bullshit aside.   Whites would pour in there, and 
the absolutely enforced integration system would collapse, just 
as freedom made Communism collapse.




Arne Carlsten  wrote:
>Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote:
>: James R. Olson, jr. wrote:
>
>: > 
>: > Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote in a deceptively
>: > mild tone:
>: > 
>: > ->I do advocate racial separatism; much as Jefferson, Lincoln, Monroe, and
>: > ->the vast majority of our founding fathers advocated it.
>: > 
>: > The only way you are going to achieve racial seperatism is by law, the
>: > only way you can enforce that law is by force.  Thus by claiming that
>: > you want racial seperation, you are saying that it should be achieved
>: > by the use of force.  Your mild tone is patently a lie.
>: > 
>
>: The only way you can stop litter is by law. The only way you can enforce 
>: that law is by force. If you want to stop litter, you are saying it 
>: should be achieved by the use of force. Your mild tone is patently a lie.
>
>
>Gee.  I drive down the streets here and don't see folks lobbing 
>half-eaten Big Macs, or wine bottles, or used diapers, out their 
>windows.  Not even out in the woods, with not a cop in sight.
>
>Seems they don't litter for some other reason than fear of forcibly 
>enforced laws.  Like having enough consideration for their neighbors to 
>_not_ make a mess.
>
>
>: The only way that you can stop discrimination is by law. The only way 
>: that you can enforce that law is by force. If you want to stop 
>: discrimination, you are saying it should be achieved by the use of force. 
>: Your mild tone is patently a lie.
>
>
>Gee, I see people judging those around them on the basis of that person's 
>behavior, not on the basis of their religion or skin color.  It doesn't 
>take a cop with a gun pointed at your head to make the average person act 
>reasonably.
>
>But not littering doesn't infringe upon my right to live freely: no one's 
>said I can't toss garbage out the car window to my heart's delight, only 
>that I can't do it on the _public_ roads where it harms others or in 
>_someone_elses'_ yard where it harms them.  I can lob shit out my windows 
>day and night, so long as I'm not infringing upon others.
>
>I'm perfectly free to discriminate with regard to my friends; it's 
>_public_ discrimination that's acted against.
>
>But the "separatism" you seek to enforce would strip us of that freedom 
>as well: the state would decide who we can socialize with, who we can 
>have sex with, who we can live with.  It would decide, on the basis of 
>race, where we can live and work and visit.  And it would enforce that 
>decision with all the power of the state: by men with guns and dogs, by 
>internal passports, by warrantless searches, and surveillance of our 
>private lives.  Or do you have some other means than those used by Nazi 
>Germany and the Soviet Union and South Africa to enforce such laws?
>
>
>: > By the way, I'm curious as to why you never addressed Hiro
>: > Protagonist's earlier point about race being a flawed paradigm.  Most
>: > anthropologists agree that race is an artificial construct, since it
>: > can't be accurately delineated.
>: > 
>
>: Are you saying that it can _never_ be accurately delineated? What an 
>: interesting conclusion.
>
>: Are you saying that if we cannot precisely define the border between two 
>: entities -- like the Gulf of Mexico and the Mississippi River -- that the 
>: entities themselves do not exist?
>
>: Are you saying that because meteorologists have subjectively or 
>: arbitrarily decided what to call "low pressure" and what to call "high 
>: pressure," that storm systems do not exist?
>
>: What "most anthropologists" believe would be interesting to know, but 
>: certainly not authoritative. Many physical anthropologists would disagree 
>: with you; but let that pass.
>
>
>Name _one_.  "Many," hell, damn near _all_, physical anthropologists 
>would tell you that "race" is a meaningless social construct.  The 
>genetic and physical differences between the so-called races are less 
>than the differences that can be observed _within_ these groups.
>
>But Nazis such as yourself have chosen to fixate upon minor cosmetic 
>factors such as skin color, and to ignore much greater differences and 
>variability in such things as blood types, chemical sensitivities, 
>susceptability to disease organisms...
>
>I've got a degree in anthropology, with a specialization in physical 
>anthro (though geared towards forensic anthro more than genetics).  No 
>one in anthropology, outside such references as the dingbat published 
>back in 1851 you quoted the other day, believes anything approaching your 
>nonsense about "race."
>
>
>
>: By the way, I have addressed the issue of the reality of race in many 
>: posts before -- I suggest you do a Deja News search on my name or 
>: address, and they will all be available to you.
>
>: Many things which usefully and accurately describe the world around us 
>: are "artificial constructs" to some degree: the days of the week, for 
>: example. There is no way to prove that this period of midnight to 
>: midnight at the prime meridian actually _is_ Thursday, for example, 
>: because "Thursday" is a term we have _agreed on_ (though it does describe 
>: something that exists in the real world). Once we fail to agree on that 
>: definition -- such as one of us insisting that sunrise and not midnight, 
>: or Dallas and not Greenwich are the defining points of reference, then 
>: "Thursday" falls apart as a concept we can communicate about. But the 
>: reality behind "Thursday" is unaltered -- it continues to be what it is, 
>: and what it always has been.
>
>: Species, subspecies, and racial boundaries are subject to disagreement 
>: among men -- obviously. But it would be absurd to therefore argue that 
>: life forms do not differentiate and branch off into subspecies, which in 
>: turn branch off into new species. Race is an aspect of this process. And 
>: I think that the primary human races certainly qualify for at least 
>: subspecies classification.
>
>
>Fortunately, aside from a handful of bigots such as yourself, no one 
>agrees with this attempt at dehumanization of 'non-Aryans."
>
>
>: By the way, what is your comment on Arne Carlsten's "mild tone"?
>
>: With all good wishes,
>
>
>: -- 
>
>
>: Kevin Alfred Strom
>
>: -----------------------------------------------------------
>:       Resource list; not all are affiliated with me;
>:                   I speak only for myself:
>
>:                  Occupied America Homepage:
>:       http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/america/
>
>:      Information on Amateur Radio Operations on 3950 kHz:
>:             http://www.usaor.net/users/mckinney/
>
>:                 The Finest in European Art:
>:       http://www.telecall.co.uk/~synergy/gframing/cat2.html
>
>:                    Patriotic Resistance:
>:                   http://www.natvan.com/
>:                   http://www.natall.com/
>
>--
>Arne Gustav Carlsten
>Flagstaff, Arizona
>
>Chomh da/na le muc...




From bwhit@conterra.com Fri Jun 14 10:06:35 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
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Subject: Re: Knut Hamsun's Body
Date: 14 Jun 1996 06:29:04 GMT
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     Good God, you clones are dense!  These unbelievably wild 
limitations on absolute freedom already exist all over the 
world.  They're called immigration laws.
      Please note that the clone pair, Finsten and this guy, 
came up with this enormous limitation on freedom bit in 
sequence, and neither of them thought of immigration laws.  
Neither of them thought, period.
       This is just like my arguments with the Communists who 
were trying to ignore the Berlin Wall.  Those clones sounded 
just like these clones.   Both sets of clones cannot allow 
people the freedom to live outside their system.  No whites can 
be anywhere on earth to themselves, damn what they want.
      Why?   For the same reason the Reds couldn't allow people 
the right to get out: with it, their system would collapse.   
Whites would end up in great shape in their separate society, 
all the bullshit theories aside, just as socialism is a crappy 
system, all bullshit aside.   Whites would pour in there, and 
the absolutely enforced integration system would collapse, just 
as freedom made Communism collapse.




Arne Carlsten  wrote:
>Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote:
>: James R. Olson, jr. wrote:
>
>: > 
>: > Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote in a deceptively
>: > mild tone:
>: > 
>: > ->I do advocate racial separatism; much as Jefferson, Lincoln, Monroe, and
>: > ->the vast majority of our founding fathers advocated it.
>: > 
>: > The only way you are going to achieve racial seperatism is by law, the
>: > only way you can enforce that law is by force.  Thus by claiming that
>: > you want racial seperation, you are saying that it should be achieved
>: > by the use of force.  Your mild tone is patently a lie.
>: > 
>
>: The only way you can stop litter is by law. The only way you can enforce 
>: that law is by force. If you want to stop litter, you are saying it 
>: should be achieved by the use of force. Your mild tone is patently a lie.
>
>
>Gee.  I drive down the streets here and don't see folks lobbing 
>half-eaten Big Macs, or wine bottles, or used diapers, out their 
>windows.  Not even out in the woods, with not a cop in sight.
>
>Seems they don't litter for some other reason than fear of forcibly 
>enforced laws.  Like having enough consideration for their neighbors to 
>_not_ make a mess.
>
>
>: The only way that you can stop discrimination is by law. The only way 
>: that you can enforce that law is by force. If you want to stop 
>: discrimination, you are saying it should be achieved by the use of force. 
>: Your mild tone is patently a lie.
>
>
>Gee, I see people judging those around them on the basis of that person's 
>behavior, not on the basis of their religion or skin color.  It doesn't 
>take a cop with a gun pointed at your head to make the average person act 
>reasonably.
>
>But not littering doesn't infringe upon my right to live freely: no one's 
>said I can't toss garbage out the car window to my heart's delight, only 
>that I can't do it on the _public_ roads where it harms others or in 
>_someone_elses'_ yard where it harms them.  I can lob shit out my windows 
>day and night, so long as I'm not infringing upon others.
>
>I'm perfectly free to discriminate with regard to my friends; it's 
>_public_ discrimination that's acted against.
>
>But the "separatism" you seek to enforce would strip us of that freedom 
>as well: the state would decide who we can socialize with, who we can 
>have sex with, who we can live with.  It would decide, on the basis of 
>race, where we can live and work and visit.  And it would enforce that 
>decision with all the power of the state: by men with guns and dogs, by 
>internal passports, by warrantless searches, and surveillance of our 
>private lives.  Or do you have some other means than those used by Nazi 
>Germany and the Soviet Union and South Africa to enforce such laws?
>
>
>: > By the way, I'm curious as to why you never addressed Hiro
>: > Protagonist's earlier point about race being a flawed paradigm.  Most
>: > anthropologists agree that race is an artificial construct, since it
>: > can't be accurately delineated.
>: > 
>
>: Are you saying that it can _never_ be accurately delineated? What an 
>: interesting conclusion.
>
>: Are you saying that if we cannot precisely define the border between two 
>: entities -- like the Gulf of Mexico and the Mississippi River -- that the 
>: entities themselves do not exist?
>
>: Are you saying that because meteorologists have subjectively or 
>: arbitrarily decided what to call "low pressure" and what to call "high 
>: pressure," that storm systems do not exist?
>
>: What "most anthropologists" believe would be interesting to know, but 
>: certainly not authoritative. Many physical anthropologists would disagree 
>: with you; but let that pass.
>
>
>Name _one_.  "Many," hell, damn near _all_, physical anthropologists 
>would tell you that "race" is a meaningless social construct.  The 
>genetic and physical differences between the so-called races are less 
>than the differences that can be observed _within_ these groups.
>
>But Nazis such as yourself have chosen to fixate upon minor cosmetic 
>factors such as skin color, and to ignore much greater differences and 
>variability in such things as blood types, chemical sensitivities, 
>susceptability to disease organisms...
>
>I've got a degree in anthropology, with a specialization in physical 
>anthro (though geared towards forensic anthro more than genetics).  No 
>one in anthropology, outside such references as the dingbat published 
>back in 1851 you quoted the other day, believes anything approaching your 
>nonsense about "race."
>
>
>
>: By the way, I have addressed the issue of the reality of race in many 
>: posts before -- I suggest you do a Deja News search on my name or 
>: address, and they will all be available to you.
>
>: Many things which usefully and accurately describe the world around us 
>: are "artificial constructs" to some degree: the days of the week, for 
>: example. There is no way to prove that this period of midnight to 
>: midnight at the prime meridian actually _is_ Thursday, for example, 
>: because "Thursday" is a term we have _agreed on_ (though it does describe 
>: something that exists in the real world). Once we fail to agree on that 
>: definition -- such as one of us insisting that sunrise and not midnight, 
>: or Dallas and not Greenwich are the defining points of reference, then 
>: "Thursday" falls apart as a concept we can communicate about. But the 
>: reality behind "Thursday" is unaltered -- it continues to be what it is, 
>: and what it always has been.
>
>: Species, subspecies, and racial boundaries are subject to disagreement 
>: among men -- obviously. But it would be absurd to therefore argue that 
>: life forms do not differentiate and branch off into subspecies, which in 
>: turn branch off into new species. Race is an aspect of this process. And 
>: I think that the primary human races certainly qualify for at least 
>: subspecies classification.
>
>
>Fortunately, aside from a handful of bigots such as yourself, no one 
>agrees with this attempt at dehumanization of 'non-Aryans."
>
>
>: By the way, what is your comment on Arne Carlsten's "mild tone"?
>
>: With all good wishes,
>
>
>: -- 
>
>
>: Kevin Alfred Strom
>
>: -----------------------------------------------------------
>:       Resource list; not all are affiliated with me;
>:                   I speak only for myself:
>
>:                  Occupied America Homepage:
>:       http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/america/
>
>:      Information on Amateur Radio Operations on 3950 kHz:
>:             http://www.usaor.net/users/mckinney/
>
>:                 The Finest in European Art:
>:       http://www.telecall.co.uk/~synergy/gframing/cat2.html
>
>:                    Patriotic Resistance:
>:                   http://www.natvan.com/
>:                   http://www.natall.com/
>
>--
>Arne Gustav Carlsten
>Flagstaff, Arizona
>
>Chomh da/na le muc...




From bwhit@conterra.com Fri Jun 14 10:06:36 PDT 1996
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Laura Finsten  wrote:
>bob whitaker  wrote:
>>jhavok@lava.net (James R. Olson, jr.) wrote:
>
>[cut]
>
>>>Most
>>>anthropologists agree that race is an artificial construct, since it
>>>can't be accurately delineated.
>
>>     Any professor who didn't testify to that would lose his 
>>job.  An intelligent person does not take his data from 
>>totalitarian situations, but you clones certainly do.
>
>Bullshit, Mr. Whitaker.  I'd like you to explain to me how,
>as one example, L.L. Cavalli-Sforza's data constitute a
>sample taken from "totalitarian situations".  Since you
>seem to think you know so much more than the scientists
>conducting the work that has led them to the conclusion
>that race is not a meaningful *biological* construct for
>humans, perhaps you'd like to take his genetic data, show
>us how he has misinterpreted them, and offer an alternative
>framework.  No?  No need, eh, you know all the *right* answers,
>Mr. Whitaker?
>
>[cut]
>
>
    You didn't disagree about what happens to professors who 
disagree with yout premise, you just covered it over.  
Communists would give me the same crap, telling me about all 
the evidence for scientific socialism at Moscow University.  My 
response was not to go into that trivia, but to look at the big 
picture.  That is, if it's so damned scientific, why can't it 
stand up to open debate?  It can't stand up to open debate if 
anybody opposing it will lose his job.  End of discussion.
    The problem with scientific socialism is you have to put 
machine guns and mines and wa;lls around the people you h ave 
trapped in it.  The problem with your racial equality nonsense 
is that it can't stand up to competition.  Your clones don't 
attack Japan for having immigration restrictions, but they 
attacked Australia, Europe and everybody else who shows signs 
of trying to keep the society white.  
     Not a single country can be all white, becuase you know 
what would happen: most of the whites would end up there.  
     Your equivalent of walls and banning debate is what 
disproves your system.  Openit up and I'll listen.  Keep it the 
way it is, without dissent and without competition, and I have 
no reason to believe a word it comes out with.  
      What is so great about your clones over scientific 
socialism?   The latter has already been exposed, that's the 
only difference.



From bwhit@conterra.com Fri Jun 14 10:06:37 PDT 1996
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holman@katk.helsinki.fi (Eugene Holman) wrote:
> wrote:
>
>> Arne Carlsten wrote:
>
>> >  The day pieces of two-legged
>> > shit like you start trying to run things again, we start dealing with
>> > your lot the way everyone from Siberia to California dealt with the last
>> > bunch: "Front sight, squeeeeze..."
>> > 
>
>To which Kevin Alfred Strom responded in article
><31BD322F.6385@ix.netcom.com>, :
> 
>> Arne, Arne. I never said the slightest thing about violence. This thread 
>> was about the Soviet Union and Communism. I deplore violence and want 
>> only self-determination and freedom for White people. You are the only 
>> one threatening violence and flailing insults about.
>> 
>> With nordic good wishes,
>> 
>
>
>Just another example that 'fellowship' and 'comradeship' do not spring
>from perceived racial communality.
>
>Regards,
>Eugene Holman


     It's really kind of you to be so happy about that, Eugene. 
  In Finland, if you said the same thing about a public spat 
between two Jews, you would probably be arrested by the Thought 
Police/



From bwhit@conterra.com Fri Jun 14 10:33:23 PDT 1996
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jhavok@lava.net (James R. Olson, jr.) wrote:
>Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote in a deceptively
>mild tone:
>
>
>->I do advocate racial separatism; much as Jefferson, Lincoln, Monroe, and 
>->the vast majority of our founding fathers advocated it.
>
>
>The only way you are going to achieve racial seperatism is by law, the
>only way you can enforce that law is by force.  Thus by claiming that
>you want racial seperation, you are saying that it should be achieved
>by the use of force.  Your mild tone is patently a lie. 
>
>By the way, I'm curious as to why you never addressed Hiro
>Protagonist's earlier point about race being a flawed paradigm.  Most
>anthropologists agree that race is an artificial construct, since it
>can't be accurately delineated.
>
>	JimmyO
>   
>   Help to launch the future from
>http://www.apollo-society.org/apollo
>       The Apollo Launch Pad
>


     Any professor who didn't testify to that would lose his 
job.  An intelligent person does not take his data from 
totalitarian situations, but you clones certainly do.
      Actually. if you whites the simple choice of living in a 
country which, by immigration law, was limited to whites, you 
would have to build a Berlin Wall around most countries to keep 
most whites in.  All bullshit aside, almost everybody wants to 
raise kids in an all-white environment, including non-whites.
      This is why there was a Berlin Wall, and why you 
anti-whties(aka, anti-racists) cannot afford to allow a single 
white majority country to stay white.  Japan can have all the 
barriers against immigration it wants, but you go to pieces if 
a white country has them.  Socialism and the melting pot are 
silly-ass ideas that sane people do not realy want.  You have 
to cut off ALL choice and build a Berlin Wall or sponsor 
low-cost housing and fair housing laws to block people into 
these situations.
      And please don't come up with the crap you clones always 
bring up at this point(and which you will deny you were going 
to say).  You were going to say that a wall to keep people out 
on Texas' border is just like the Berlin Will.  In other words, 
a prison wall is the same on both sides: for t hose it keeps in 
and those it keeps out. No way.  It's the kind of comic strip 
plausibility you people depend on.
       You cannot allow a white country to exist, because in 
the real world, nobody wants your melting pot.



From bwhit@conterra.com Fri Jun 14 10:33:24 PDT 1996
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    When th4ere is one American who goes to your cold, 
effiminate little island for every ten Brits who immigrate 
here, we'll talk about how great you are.



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     Good God, you clones are dense!  These unbelievably wild 
limitations on absolute freedom already exist all over the 
world.  They're called immigration laws.
      Please note that the clone pair, Finsten and this guy, 
came up with this enormous limitation on freedom bit in 
sequence, and neither of them thought of immigration laws.  
Neither of them thought, period.
       This is just like my arguments with the Communists who 
were trying to ignore the Berlin Wall.  Those clones sounded 
just like these clones.   Both sets of clones cannot allow 
people the freedom to live outside their system.  No whites can 
be anywhere on earth to themselves, damn what they want.
      Why?   For the same reason the Reds couldn't allow people 
the right to get out: with it, their system would collapse.   
Whites would end up in great shape in their separate society, 
all the bullshit theories aside, just as socialism is a crappy 
system, all bullshit aside.   Whites would pour in there, and 
the absolutely enforced integration system would collapse, just 
as freedom made Communism collapse.




Arne Carlsten  wrote:
>Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote:
>: James R. Olson, jr. wrote:
>
>: > 
>: > Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote in a deceptively
>: > mild tone:
>: > 
>: > ->I do advocate racial separatism; much as Jefferson, Lincoln, Monroe, and
>: > ->the vast majority of our founding fathers advocated it.
>: > 
>: > The only way you are going to achieve racial seperatism is by law, the
>: > only way you can enforce that law is by force.  Thus by claiming that
>: > you want racial seperation, you are saying that it should be achieved
>: > by the use of force.  Your mild tone is patently a lie.
>: > 
>
>: The only way you can stop litter is by law. The only way you can enforce 
>: that law is by force. If you want to stop litter, you are saying it 
>: should be achieved by the use of force. Your mild tone is patently a lie.
>
>
>Gee.  I drive down the streets here and don't see folks lobbing 
>half-eaten Big Macs, or wine bottles, or used diapers, out their 
>windows.  Not even out in the woods, with not a cop in sight.
>
>Seems they don't litter for some other reason than fear of forcibly 
>enforced laws.  Like having enough consideration for their neighbors to 
>_not_ make a mess.
>
>
>: The only way that you can stop discrimination is by law. The only way 
>: that you can enforce that law is by force. If you want to stop 
>: discrimination, you are saying it should be achieved by the use of force. 
>: Your mild tone is patently a lie.
>
>
>Gee, I see people judging those around them on the basis of that person's 
>behavior, not on the basis of their religion or skin color.  It doesn't 
>take a cop with a gun pointed at your head to make the average person act 
>reasonably.
>
>But not littering doesn't infringe upon my right to live freely: no one's 
>said I can't toss garbage out the car window to my heart's delight, only 
>that I can't do it on the _public_ roads where it harms others or in 
>_someone_elses'_ yard where it harms them.  I can lob shit out my windows 
>day and night, so long as I'm not infringing upon others.
>
>I'm perfectly free to discriminate with regard to my friends; it's 
>_public_ discrimination that's acted against.
>
>But the "separatism" you seek to enforce would strip us of that freedom 
>as well: the state would decide who we can socialize with, who we can 
>have sex with, who we can live with.  It would decide, on the basis of 
>race, where we can live and work and visit.  And it would enforce that 
>decision with all the power of the state: by men with guns and dogs, by 
>internal passports, by warrantless searches, and surveillance of our 
>private lives.  Or do you have some other means than those used by Nazi 
>Germany and the Soviet Union and South Africa to enforce such laws?
>
>
>: > By the way, I'm curious as to why you never addressed Hiro
>: > Protagonist's earlier point about race being a flawed paradigm.  Most
>: > anthropologists agree that race is an artificial construct, since it
>: > can't be accurately delineated.
>: > 
>
>: Are you saying that it can _never_ be accurately delineated? What an 
>: interesting conclusion.
>
>: Are you saying that if we cannot precisely define the border between two 
>: entities -- like the Gulf of Mexico and the Mississippi River -- that the 
>: entities themselves do not exist?
>
>: Are you saying that because meteorologists have subjectively or 
>: arbitrarily decided what to call "low pressure" and what to call "high 
>: pressure," that storm systems do not exist?
>
>: What "most anthropologists" believe would be interesting to know, but 
>: certainly not authoritative. Many physical anthropologists would disagree 
>: with you; but let that pass.
>
>
>Name _one_.  "Many," hell, damn near _all_, physical anthropologists 
>would tell you that "race" is a meaningless social construct.  The 
>genetic and physical differences between the so-called races are less 
>than the differences that can be observed _within_ these groups.
>
>But Nazis such as yourself have chosen to fixate upon minor cosmetic 
>factors such as skin color, and to ignore much greater differences and 
>variability in such things as blood types, chemical sensitivities, 
>susceptability to disease organisms...
>
>I've got a degree in anthropology, with a specialization in physical 
>anthro (though geared towards forensic anthro more than genetics).  No 
>one in anthropology, outside such references as the dingbat published 
>back in 1851 you quoted the other day, believes anything approaching your 
>nonsense about "race."
>
>
>
>: By the way, I have addressed the issue of the reality of race in many 
>: posts before -- I suggest you do a Deja News search on my name or 
>: address, and they will all be available to you.
>
>: Many things which usefully and accurately describe the world around us 
>: are "artificial constructs" to some degree: the days of the week, for 
>: example. There is no way to prove that this period of midnight to 
>: midnight at the prime meridian actually _is_ Thursday, for example, 
>: because "Thursday" is a term we have _agreed on_ (though it does describe 
>: something that exists in the real world). Once we fail to agree on that 
>: definition -- such as one of us insisting that sunrise and not midnight, 
>: or Dallas and not Greenwich are the defining points of reference, then 
>: "Thursday" falls apart as a concept we can communicate about. But the 
>: reality behind "Thursday" is unaltered -- it continues to be what it is, 
>: and what it always has been.
>
>: Species, subspecies, and racial boundaries are subject to disagreement 
>: among men -- obviously. But it would be absurd to therefore argue that 
>: life forms do not differentiate and branch off into subspecies, which in 
>: turn branch off into new species. Race is an aspect of this process. And 
>: I think that the primary human races certainly qualify for at least 
>: subspecies classification.
>
>
>Fortunately, aside from a handful of bigots such as yourself, no one 
>agrees with this attempt at dehumanization of 'non-Aryans."
>
>
>: By the way, what is your comment on Arne Carlsten's "mild tone"?
>
>: With all good wishes,
>
>
>: -- 
>
>
>: Kevin Alfred Strom
>
>: -----------------------------------------------------------
>:       Resource list; not all are affiliated with me;
>:                   I speak only for myself:
>
>:                  Occupied America Homepage:
>:       http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/america/
>
>:      Information on Amateur Radio Operations on 3950 kHz:
>:             http://www.usaor.net/users/mckinney/
>
>:                 The Finest in European Art:
>:       http://www.telecall.co.uk/~synergy/gframing/cat2.html
>
>:                    Patriotic Resistance:
>:                   http://www.natvan.com/
>:                   http://www.natall.com/
>
>--
>Arne Gustav Carlsten
>Flagstaff, Arizona
>
>Chomh da/na le muc...




From bwhit@conterra.com Fri Jun 14 10:33:26 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
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Subject: Re: Knut Hamsun's Body
Date: 14 Jun 1996 06:28:43 GMT
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     Good God, you clones are dense!  These unbelievably wild 
limitations on absolute freedom already exist all over the 
world.  They're called immigration laws.
      Please note that the clone pair, Finsten and this guy, 
came up with this enormous limitation on freedom bit in 
sequence, and neither of them thought of immigration laws.  
Neither of them thought, period.
       This is just like my arguments with the Communists who 
were trying to ignore the Berlin Wall.  Those clones sounded 
just like these clones.   Both sets of clones cannot allow 
people the freedom to live outside their system.  No whites can 
be anywhere on earth to themselves, damn what they want.
      Why?   For the same reason the Reds couldn't allow people 
the right to get out: with it, their system would collapse.   
Whites would end up in great shape in their separate society, 
all the bullshit theories aside, just as socialism is a crappy 
system, all bullshit aside.   Whites would pour in there, and 
the absolutely enforced integration system would collapse, just 
as freedom made Communism collapse.




Arne Carlsten  wrote:
>Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote:
>: James R. Olson, jr. wrote:
>
>: > 
>: > Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote in a deceptively
>: > mild tone:
>: > 
>: > ->I do advocate racial separatism; much as Jefferson, Lincoln, Monroe, and
>: > ->the vast majority of our founding fathers advocated it.
>: > 
>: > The only way you are going to achieve racial seperatism is by law, the
>: > only way you can enforce that law is by force.  Thus by claiming that
>: > you want racial seperation, you are saying that it should be achieved
>: > by the use of force.  Your mild tone is patently a lie.
>: > 
>
>: The only way you can stop litter is by law. The only way you can enforce 
>: that law is by force. If you want to stop litter, you are saying it 
>: should be achieved by the use of force. Your mild tone is patently a lie.
>
>
>Gee.  I drive down the streets here and don't see folks lobbing 
>half-eaten Big Macs, or wine bottles, or used diapers, out their 
>windows.  Not even out in the woods, with not a cop in sight.
>
>Seems they don't litter for some other reason than fear of forcibly 
>enforced laws.  Like having enough consideration for their neighbors to 
>_not_ make a mess.
>
>
>: The only way that you can stop discrimination is by law. The only way 
>: that you can enforce that law is by force. If you want to stop 
>: discrimination, you are saying it should be achieved by the use of force. 
>: Your mild tone is patently a lie.
>
>
>Gee, I see people judging those around them on the basis of that person's 
>behavior, not on the basis of their religion or skin color.  It doesn't 
>take a cop with a gun pointed at your head to make the average person act 
>reasonably.
>
>But not littering doesn't infringe upon my right to live freely: no one's 
>said I can't toss garbage out the car window to my heart's delight, only 
>that I can't do it on the _public_ roads where it harms others or in 
>_someone_elses'_ yard where it harms them.  I can lob shit out my windows 
>day and night, so long as I'm not infringing upon others.
>
>I'm perfectly free to discriminate with regard to my friends; it's 
>_public_ discrimination that's acted against.
>
>But the "separatism" you seek to enforce would strip us of that freedom 
>as well: the state would decide who we can socialize with, who we can 
>have sex with, who we can live with.  It would decide, on the basis of 
>race, where we can live and work and visit.  And it would enforce that 
>decision with all the power of the state: by men with guns and dogs, by 
>internal passports, by warrantless searches, and surveillance of our 
>private lives.  Or do you have some other means than those used by Nazi 
>Germany and the Soviet Union and South Africa to enforce such laws?
>
>
>: > By the way, I'm curious as to why you never addressed Hiro
>: > Protagonist's earlier point about race being a flawed paradigm.  Most
>: > anthropologists agree that race is an artificial construct, since it
>: > can't be accurately delineated.
>: > 
>
>: Are you saying that it can _never_ be accurately delineated? What an 
>: interesting conclusion.
>
>: Are you saying that if we cannot precisely define the border between two 
>: entities -- like the Gulf of Mexico and the Mississippi River -- that the 
>: entities themselves do not exist?
>
>: Are you saying that because meteorologists have subjectively or 
>: arbitrarily decided what to call "low pressure" and what to call "high 
>: pressure," that storm systems do not exist?
>
>: What "most anthropologists" believe would be interesting to know, but 
>: certainly not authoritative. Many physical anthropologists would disagree 
>: with you; but let that pass.
>
>
>Name _one_.  "Many," hell, damn near _all_, physical anthropologists 
>would tell you that "race" is a meaningless social construct.  The 
>genetic and physical differences between the so-called races are less 
>than the differences that can be observed _within_ these groups.
>
>But Nazis such as yourself have chosen to fixate upon minor cosmetic 
>factors such as skin color, and to ignore much greater differences and 
>variability in such things as blood types, chemical sensitivities, 
>susceptability to disease organisms...
>
>I've got a degree in anthropology, with a specialization in physical 
>anthro (though geared towards forensic anthro more than genetics).  No 
>one in anthropology, outside such references as the dingbat published 
>back in 1851 you quoted the other day, believes anything approaching your 
>nonsense about "race."
>
>
>
>: By the way, I have addressed the issue of the reality of race in many 
>: posts before -- I suggest you do a Deja News search on my name or 
>: address, and they will all be available to you.
>
>: Many things which usefully and accurately describe the world around us 
>: are "artificial constructs" to some degree: the days of the week, for 
>: example. There is no way to prove that this period of midnight to 
>: midnight at the prime meridian actually _is_ Thursday, for example, 
>: because "Thursday" is a term we have _agreed on_ (though it does describe 
>: something that exists in the real world). Once we fail to agree on that 
>: definition -- such as one of us insisting that sunrise and not midnight, 
>: or Dallas and not Greenwich are the defining points of reference, then 
>: "Thursday" falls apart as a concept we can communicate about. But the 
>: reality behind "Thursday" is unaltered -- it continues to be what it is, 
>: and what it always has been.
>
>: Species, subspecies, and racial boundaries are subject to disagreement 
>: among men -- obviously. But it would be absurd to therefore argue that 
>: life forms do not differentiate and branch off into subspecies, which in 
>: turn branch off into new species. Race is an aspect of this process. And 
>: I think that the primary human races certainly qualify for at least 
>: subspecies classification.
>
>
>Fortunately, aside from a handful of bigots such as yourself, no one 
>agrees with this attempt at dehumanization of 'non-Aryans."
>
>
>: By the way, what is your comment on Arne Carlsten's "mild tone"?
>
>: With all good wishes,
>
>
>: -- 
>
>
>: Kevin Alfred Strom
>
>: -----------------------------------------------------------
>:       Resource list; not all are affiliated with me;
>:                   I speak only for myself:
>
>:                  Occupied America Homepage:
>:       http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/america/
>
>:      Information on Amateur Radio Operations on 3950 kHz:
>:             http://www.usaor.net/users/mckinney/
>
>:                 The Finest in European Art:
>:       http://www.telecall.co.uk/~synergy/gframing/cat2.html
>
>:                    Patriotic Resistance:
>:                   http://www.natvan.com/
>:                   http://www.natall.com/
>
>--
>Arne Gustav Carlsten
>Flagstaff, Arizona
>
>Chomh da/na le muc...




From bwhit@conterra.com Fri Jun 14 10:33:27 PDT 1996
Article: 270374 of talk.politics.guns
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Subject: Re: Knut Hamsun's Body
Date: 14 Jun 1996 06:28:49 GMT
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     Good God, you clones are dense!  These unbelievably wild 
limitations on absolute freedom already exist all over the 
world.  They're called immigration laws.
      Please note that the clone pair, Finsten and this guy, 
came up with this enormous limitation on freedom bit in 
sequence, and neither of them thought of immigration laws.  
Neither of them thought, period.
       This is just like my arguments with the Communists who 
were trying to ignore the Berlin Wall.  Those clones sounded 
just like these clones.   Both sets of clones cannot allow 
people the freedom to live outside their system.  No whites can 
be anywhere on earth to themselves, damn what they want.
      Why?   For the same reason the Reds couldn't allow people 
the right to get out: with it, their system would collapse.   
Whites would end up in great shape in their separate society, 
all the bullshit theories aside, just as socialism is a crappy 
system, all bullshit aside.   Whites would pour in there, and 
the absolutely enforced integration system would collapse, just 
as freedom made Communism collapse.




Arne Carlsten  wrote:
>Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote:
>: James R. Olson, jr. wrote:
>
>: > 
>: > Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote in a deceptively
>: > mild tone:
>: > 
>: > ->I do advocate racial separatism; much as Jefferson, Lincoln, Monroe, and
>: > ->the vast majority of our founding fathers advocated it.
>: > 
>: > The only way you are going to achieve racial seperatism is by law, the
>: > only way you can enforce that law is by force.  Thus by claiming that
>: > you want racial seperation, you are saying that it should be achieved
>: > by the use of force.  Your mild tone is patently a lie.
>: > 
>
>: The only way you can stop litter is by law. The only way you can enforce 
>: that law is by force. If you want to stop litter, you are saying it 
>: should be achieved by the use of force. Your mild tone is patently a lie.
>
>
>Gee.  I drive down the streets here and don't see folks lobbing 
>half-eaten Big Macs, or wine bottles, or used diapers, out their 
>windows.  Not even out in the woods, with not a cop in sight.
>
>Seems they don't litter for some other reason than fear of forcibly 
>enforced laws.  Like having enough consideration for their neighbors to 
>_not_ make a mess.
>
>
>: The only way that you can stop discrimination is by law. The only way 
>: that you can enforce that law is by force. If you want to stop 
>: discrimination, you are saying it should be achieved by the use of force. 
>: Your mild tone is patently a lie.
>
>
>Gee, I see people judging those around them on the basis of that person's 
>behavior, not on the basis of their religion or skin color.  It doesn't 
>take a cop with a gun pointed at your head to make the average person act 
>reasonably.
>
>But not littering doesn't infringe upon my right to live freely: no one's 
>said I can't toss garbage out the car window to my heart's delight, only 
>that I can't do it on the _public_ roads where it harms others or in 
>_someone_elses'_ yard where it harms them.  I can lob shit out my windows 
>day and night, so long as I'm not infringing upon others.
>
>I'm perfectly free to discriminate with regard to my friends; it's 
>_public_ discrimination that's acted against.
>
>But the "separatism" you seek to enforce would strip us of that freedom 
>as well: the state would decide who we can socialize with, who we can 
>have sex with, who we can live with.  It would decide, on the basis of 
>race, where we can live and work and visit.  And it would enforce that 
>decision with all the power of the state: by men with guns and dogs, by 
>internal passports, by warrantless searches, and surveillance of our 
>private lives.  Or do you have some other means than those used by Nazi 
>Germany and the Soviet Union and South Africa to enforce such laws?
>
>
>: > By the way, I'm curious as to why you never addressed Hiro
>: > Protagonist's earlier point about race being a flawed paradigm.  Most
>: > anthropologists agree that race is an artificial construct, since it
>: > can't be accurately delineated.
>: > 
>
>: Are you saying that it can _never_ be accurately delineated? What an 
>: interesting conclusion.
>
>: Are you saying that if we cannot precisely define the border between two 
>: entities -- like the Gulf of Mexico and the Mississippi River -- that the 
>: entities themselves do not exist?
>
>: Are you saying that because meteorologists have subjectively or 
>: arbitrarily decided what to call "low pressure" and what to call "high 
>: pressure," that storm systems do not exist?
>
>: What "most anthropologists" believe would be interesting to know, but 
>: certainly not authoritative. Many physical anthropologists would disagree 
>: with you; but let that pass.
>
>
>Name _one_.  "Many," hell, damn near _all_, physical anthropologists 
>would tell you that "race" is a meaningless social construct.  The 
>genetic and physical differences between the so-called races are less 
>than the differences that can be observed _within_ these groups.
>
>But Nazis such as yourself have chosen to fixate upon minor cosmetic 
>factors such as skin color, and to ignore much greater differences and 
>variability in such things as blood types, chemical sensitivities, 
>susceptability to disease organisms...
>
>I've got a degree in anthropology, with a specialization in physical 
>anthro (though geared towards forensic anthro more than genetics).  No 
>one in anthropology, outside such references as the dingbat published 
>back in 1851 you quoted the other day, believes anything approaching your 
>nonsense about "race."
>
>
>
>: By the way, I have addressed the issue of the reality of race in many 
>: posts before -- I suggest you do a Deja News search on my name or 
>: address, and they will all be available to you.
>
>: Many things which usefully and accurately describe the world around us 
>: are "artificial constructs" to some degree: the days of the week, for 
>: example. There is no way to prove that this period of midnight to 
>: midnight at the prime meridian actually _is_ Thursday, for example, 
>: because "Thursday" is a term we have _agreed on_ (though it does describe 
>: something that exists in the real world). Once we fail to agree on that 
>: definition -- such as one of us insisting that sunrise and not midnight, 
>: or Dallas and not Greenwich are the defining points of reference, then 
>: "Thursday" falls apart as a concept we can communicate about. But the 
>: reality behind "Thursday" is unaltered -- it continues to be what it is, 
>: and what it always has been.
>
>: Species, subspecies, and racial boundaries are subject to disagreement 
>: among men -- obviously. But it would be absurd to therefore argue that 
>: life forms do not differentiate and branch off into subspecies, which in 
>: turn branch off into new species. Race is an aspect of this process. And 
>: I think that the primary human races certainly qualify for at least 
>: subspecies classification.
>
>
>Fortunately, aside from a handful of bigots such as yourself, no one 
>agrees with this attempt at dehumanization of 'non-Aryans."
>
>
>: By the way, what is your comment on Arne Carlsten's "mild tone"?
>
>: With all good wishes,
>
>
>: -- 
>
>
>: Kevin Alfred Strom
>
>: -----------------------------------------------------------
>:       Resource list; not all are affiliated with me;
>:                   I speak only for myself:
>
>:                  Occupied America Homepage:
>:       http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/america/
>
>:      Information on Amateur Radio Operations on 3950 kHz:
>:             http://www.usaor.net/users/mckinney/
>
>:                 The Finest in European Art:
>:       http://www.telecall.co.uk/~synergy/gframing/cat2.html
>
>:                    Patriotic Resistance:
>:                   http://www.natvan.com/
>:                   http://www.natall.com/
>
>--
>Arne Gustav Carlsten
>Flagstaff, Arizona
>
>Chomh da/na le muc...




From bwhit@conterra.com Fri Jun 14 10:33:28 PDT 1996
Article: 270419 of talk.politics.guns
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From: bob whitaker 
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Subject: Re: Knut Hamsun's Body
Date: 14 Jun 1996 06:28:46 GMT
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     Good God, you clones are dense!  These unbelievably wild 
limitations on absolute freedom already exist all over the 
world.  They're called immigration laws.
      Please note that the clone pair, Finsten and this guy, 
came up with this enormous limitation on freedom bit in 
sequence, and neither of them thought of immigration laws.  
Neither of them thought, period.
       This is just like my arguments with the Communists who 
were trying to ignore the Berlin Wall.  Those clones sounded 
just like these clones.   Both sets of clones cannot allow 
people the freedom to live outside their system.  No whites can 
be anywhere on earth to themselves, damn what they want.
      Why?   For the same reason the Reds couldn't allow people 
the right to get out: with it, their system would collapse.   
Whites would end up in great shape in their separate society, 
all the bullshit theories aside, just as socialism is a crappy 
system, all bullshit aside.   Whites would pour in there, and 
the absolutely enforced integration system would collapse, just 
as freedom made Communism collapse.




Arne Carlsten  wrote:
>Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote:
>: James R. Olson, jr. wrote:
>
>: > 
>: > Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote in a deceptively
>: > mild tone:
>: > 
>: > ->I do advocate racial separatism; much as Jefferson, Lincoln, Monroe, and
>: > ->the vast majority of our founding fathers advocated it.
>: > 
>: > The only way you are going to achieve racial seperatism is by law, the
>: > only way you can enforce that law is by force.  Thus by claiming that
>: > you want racial seperation, you are saying that it should be achieved
>: > by the use of force.  Your mild tone is patently a lie.
>: > 
>
>: The only way you can stop litter is by law. The only way you can enforce 
>: that law is by force. If you want to stop litter, you are saying it 
>: should be achieved by the use of force. Your mild tone is patently a lie.
>
>
>Gee.  I drive down the streets here and don't see folks lobbing 
>half-eaten Big Macs, or wine bottles, or used diapers, out their 
>windows.  Not even out in the woods, with not a cop in sight.
>
>Seems they don't litter for some other reason than fear of forcibly 
>enforced laws.  Like having enough consideration for their neighbors to 
>_not_ make a mess.
>
>
>: The only way that you can stop discrimination is by law. The only way 
>: that you can enforce that law is by force. If you want to stop 
>: discrimination, you are saying it should be achieved by the use of force. 
>: Your mild tone is patently a lie.
>
>
>Gee, I see people judging those around them on the basis of that person's 
>behavior, not on the basis of their religion or skin color.  It doesn't 
>take a cop with a gun pointed at your head to make the average person act 
>reasonably.
>
>But not littering doesn't infringe upon my right to live freely: no one's 
>said I can't toss garbage out the car window to my heart's delight, only 
>that I can't do it on the _public_ roads where it harms others or in 
>_someone_elses'_ yard where it harms them.  I can lob shit out my windows 
>day and night, so long as I'm not infringing upon others.
>
>I'm perfectly free to discriminate with regard to my friends; it's 
>_public_ discrimination that's acted against.
>
>But the "separatism" you seek to enforce would strip us of that freedom 
>as well: the state would decide who we can socialize with, who we can 
>have sex with, who we can live with.  It would decide, on the basis of 
>race, where we can live and work and visit.  And it would enforce that 
>decision with all the power of the state: by men with guns and dogs, by 
>internal passports, by warrantless searches, and surveillance of our 
>private lives.  Or do you have some other means than those used by Nazi 
>Germany and the Soviet Union and South Africa to enforce such laws?
>
>
>: > By the way, I'm curious as to why you never addressed Hiro
>: > Protagonist's earlier point about race being a flawed paradigm.  Most
>: > anthropologists agree that race is an artificial construct, since it
>: > can't be accurately delineated.
>: > 
>
>: Are you saying that it can _never_ be accurately delineated? What an 
>: interesting conclusion.
>
>: Are you saying that if we cannot precisely define the border between two 
>: entities -- like the Gulf of Mexico and the Mississippi River -- that the 
>: entities themselves do not exist?
>
>: Are you saying that because meteorologists have subjectively or 
>: arbitrarily decided what to call "low pressure" and what to call "high 
>: pressure," that storm systems do not exist?
>
>: What "most anthropologists" believe would be interesting to know, but 
>: certainly not authoritative. Many physical anthropologists would disagree 
>: with you; but let that pass.
>
>
>Name _one_.  "Many," hell, damn near _all_, physical anthropologists 
>would tell you that "race" is a meaningless social construct.  The 
>genetic and physical differences between the so-called races are less 
>than the differences that can be observed _within_ these groups.
>
>But Nazis such as yourself have chosen to fixate upon minor cosmetic 
>factors such as skin color, and to ignore much greater differences and 
>variability in such things as blood types, chemical sensitivities, 
>susceptability to disease organisms...
>
>I've got a degree in anthropology, with a specialization in physical 
>anthro (though geared towards forensic anthro more than genetics).  No 
>one in anthropology, outside such references as the dingbat published 
>back in 1851 you quoted the other day, believes anything approaching your 
>nonsense about "race."
>
>
>
>: By the way, I have addressed the issue of the reality of race in many 
>: posts before -- I suggest you do a Deja News search on my name or 
>: address, and they will all be available to you.
>
>: Many things which usefully and accurately describe the world around us 
>: are "artificial constructs" to some degree: the days of the week, for 
>: example. There is no way to prove that this period of midnight to 
>: midnight at the prime meridian actually _is_ Thursday, for example, 
>: because "Thursday" is a term we have _agreed on_ (though it does describe 
>: something that exists in the real world). Once we fail to agree on that 
>: definition -- such as one of us insisting that sunrise and not midnight, 
>: or Dallas and not Greenwich are the defining points of reference, then 
>: "Thursday" falls apart as a concept we can communicate about. But the 
>: reality behind "Thursday" is unaltered -- it continues to be what it is, 
>: and what it always has been.
>
>: Species, subspecies, and racial boundaries are subject to disagreement 
>: among men -- obviously. But it would be absurd to therefore argue that 
>: life forms do not differentiate and branch off into subspecies, which in 
>: turn branch off into new species. Race is an aspect of this process. And 
>: I think that the primary human races certainly qualify for at least 
>: subspecies classification.
>
>
>Fortunately, aside from a handful of bigots such as yourself, no one 
>agrees with this attempt at dehumanization of 'non-Aryans."
>
>
>: By the way, what is your comment on Arne Carlsten's "mild tone"?
>
>: With all good wishes,
>
>
>: -- 
>
>
>: Kevin Alfred Strom
>
>: -----------------------------------------------------------
>:       Resource list; not all are affiliated with me;
>:                   I speak only for myself:
>
>:                  Occupied America Homepage:
>:       http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/america/
>
>:      Information on Amateur Radio Operations on 3950 kHz:
>:             http://www.usaor.net/users/mckinney/
>
>:                 The Finest in European Art:
>:       http://www.telecall.co.uk/~synergy/gframing/cat2.html
>
>:                    Patriotic Resistance:
>:                   http://www.natvan.com/
>:                   http://www.natall.com/
>
>--
>Arne Gustav Carlsten
>Flagstaff, Arizona
>
>Chomh da/na le muc...




From bwhit@conterra.com Fri Jun 14 10:33:29 PDT 1996
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     Good God, you clones are dense!  These unbelievably wild 
limitations on absolute freedom already exist all over the 
world.  They're called immigration laws.
      Please note that the clone pair, Finsten and this guy, 
came up with this enormous limitation on freedom bit in 
sequence, and neither of them thought of immigration laws.  
Neither of them thought, period.
       This is just like my arguments with the Communists who 
were trying to ignore the Berlin Wall.  Those clones sounded 
just like these clones.   Both sets of clones cannot allow 
people the freedom to live outside their system.  No whites can 
be anywhere on earth to themselves, damn what they want.
      Why?   For the same reason the Reds couldn't allow people 
the right to get out: with it, their system would collapse.   
Whites would end up in great shape in their separate society, 
all the bullshit theories aside, just as socialism is a crappy 
system, all bullshit aside.   Whites would pour in there, and 
the absolutely enforced integration system would collapse, just 
as freedom made Communism collapse.




Arne Carlsten  wrote:
>Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote:
>: James R. Olson, jr. wrote:
>
>: > 
>: > Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote in a deceptively
>: > mild tone:
>: > 
>: > ->I do advocate racial separatism; much as Jefferson, Lincoln, Monroe, and
>: > ->the vast majority of our founding fathers advocated it.
>: > 
>: > The only way you are going to achieve racial seperatism is by law, the
>: > only way you can enforce that law is by force.  Thus by claiming that
>: > you want racial seperation, you are saying that it should be achieved
>: > by the use of force.  Your mild tone is patently a lie.
>: > 
>
>: The only way you can stop litter is by law. The only way you can enforce 
>: that law is by force. If you want to stop litter, you are saying it 
>: should be achieved by the use of force. Your mild tone is patently a lie.
>
>
>Gee.  I drive down the streets here and don't see folks lobbing 
>half-eaten Big Macs, or wine bottles, or used diapers, out their 
>windows.  Not even out in the woods, with not a cop in sight.
>
>Seems they don't litter for some other reason than fear of forcibly 
>enforced laws.  Like having enough consideration for their neighbors to 
>_not_ make a mess.
>
>
>: The only way that you can stop discrimination is by law. The only way 
>: that you can enforce that law is by force. If you want to stop 
>: discrimination, you are saying it should be achieved by the use of force. 
>: Your mild tone is patently a lie.
>
>
>Gee, I see people judging those around them on the basis of that person's 
>behavior, not on the basis of their religion or skin color.  It doesn't 
>take a cop with a gun pointed at your head to make the average person act 
>reasonably.
>
>But not littering doesn't infringe upon my right to live freely: no one's 
>said I can't toss garbage out the car window to my heart's delight, only 
>that I can't do it on the _public_ roads where it harms others or in 
>_someone_elses'_ yard where it harms them.  I can lob shit out my windows 
>day and night, so long as I'm not infringing upon others.
>
>I'm perfectly free to discriminate with regard to my friends; it's 
>_public_ discrimination that's acted against.
>
>But the "separatism" you seek to enforce would strip us of that freedom 
>as well: the state would decide who we can socialize with, who we can 
>have sex with, who we can live with.  It would decide, on the basis of 
>race, where we can live and work and visit.  And it would enforce that 
>decision with all the power of the state: by men with guns and dogs, by 
>internal passports, by warrantless searches, and surveillance of our 
>private lives.  Or do you have some other means than those used by Nazi 
>Germany and the Soviet Union and South Africa to enforce such laws?
>
>
>: > By the way, I'm curious as to why you never addressed Hiro
>: > Protagonist's earlier point about race being a flawed paradigm.  Most
>: > anthropologists agree that race is an artificial construct, since it
>: > can't be accurately delineated.
>: > 
>
>: Are you saying that it can _never_ be accurately delineated? What an 
>: interesting conclusion.
>
>: Are you saying that if we cannot precisely define the border between two 
>: entities -- like the Gulf of Mexico and the Mississippi River -- that the 
>: entities themselves do not exist?
>
>: Are you saying that because meteorologists have subjectively or 
>: arbitrarily decided what to call "low pressure" and what to call "high 
>: pressure," that storm systems do not exist?
>
>: What "most anthropologists" believe would be interesting to know, but 
>: certainly not authoritative. Many physical anthropologists would disagree 
>: with you; but let that pass.
>
>
>Name _one_.  "Many," hell, damn near _all_, physical anthropologists 
>would tell you that "race" is a meaningless social construct.  The 
>genetic and physical differences between the so-called races are less 
>than the differences that can be observed _within_ these groups.
>
>But Nazis such as yourself have chosen to fixate upon minor cosmetic 
>factors such as skin color, and to ignore much greater differences and 
>variability in such things as blood types, chemical sensitivities, 
>susceptability to disease organisms...
>
>I've got a degree in anthropology, with a specialization in physical 
>anthro (though geared towards forensic anthro more than genetics).  No 
>one in anthropology, outside such references as the dingbat published 
>back in 1851 you quoted the other day, believes anything approaching your 
>nonsense about "race."
>
>
>
>: By the way, I have addressed the issue of the reality of race in many 
>: posts before -- I suggest you do a Deja News search on my name or 
>: address, and they will all be available to you.
>
>: Many things which usefully and accurately describe the world around us 
>: are "artificial constructs" to some degree: the days of the week, for 
>: example. There is no way to prove that this period of midnight to 
>: midnight at the prime meridian actually _is_ Thursday, for example, 
>: because "Thursday" is a term we have _agreed on_ (though it does describe 
>: something that exists in the real world). Once we fail to agree on that 
>: definition -- such as one of us insisting that sunrise and not midnight, 
>: or Dallas and not Greenwich are the defining points of reference, then 
>: "Thursday" falls apart as a concept we can communicate about. But the 
>: reality behind "Thursday" is unaltered -- it continues to be what it is, 
>: and what it always has been.
>
>: Species, subspecies, and racial boundaries are subject to disagreement 
>: among men -- obviously. But it would be absurd to therefore argue that 
>: life forms do not differentiate and branch off into subspecies, which in 
>: turn branch off into new species. Race is an aspect of this process. And 
>: I think that the primary human races certainly qualify for at least 
>: subspecies classification.
>
>
>Fortunately, aside from a handful of bigots such as yourself, no one 
>agrees with this attempt at dehumanization of 'non-Aryans."
>
>
>: By the way, what is your comment on Arne Carlsten's "mild tone"?
>
>: With all good wishes,
>
>
>: -- 
>
>
>: Kevin Alfred Strom
>
>: -----------------------------------------------------------
>:       Resource list; not all are affiliated with me;
>:                   I speak only for myself:
>
>:                  Occupied America Homepage:
>:       http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/america/
>
>:      Information on Amateur Radio Operations on 3950 kHz:
>:             http://www.usaor.net/users/mckinney/
>
>:                 The Finest in European Art:
>:       http://www.telecall.co.uk/~synergy/gframing/cat2.html
>
>:                    Patriotic Resistance:
>:                   http://www.natvan.com/
>:                   http://www.natall.com/
>
>--
>Arne Gustav Carlsten
>Flagstaff, Arizona
>
>Chomh da/na le muc...




From bwhit@conterra.com Fri Jun 14 10:33:30 PDT 1996
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Laura Finsten  wrote:
>bob whitaker  wrote:
>>jhavok@lava.net (James R. Olson, jr.) wrote:
>
>[cut]
>
>>>Most
>>>anthropologists agree that race is an artificial construct, since it
>>>can't be accurately delineated.
>
>>     Any professor who didn't testify to that would lose his 
>>job.  An intelligent person does not take his data from 
>>totalitarian situations, but you clones certainly do.
>
>Bullshit, Mr. Whitaker.  I'd like you to explain to me how,
>as one example, L.L. Cavalli-Sforza's data constitute a
>sample taken from "totalitarian situations".  Since you
>seem to think you know so much more than the scientists
>conducting the work that has led them to the conclusion
>that race is not a meaningful *biological* construct for
>humans, perhaps you'd like to take his genetic data, show
>us how he has misinterpreted them, and offer an alternative
>framework.  No?  No need, eh, you know all the *right* answers,
>Mr. Whitaker?
>
>[cut]
>
>
    You didn't disagree about what happens to professors who 
disagree with yout premise, you just covered it over.  
Communists would give me the same crap, telling me about all 
the evidence for scientific socialism at Moscow University.  My 
response was not to go into that trivia, but to look at the big 
picture.  That is, if it's so damned scientific, why can't it 
stand up to open debate?  It can't stand up to open debate if 
anybody opposing it will lose his job.  End of discussion.
    The problem with scientific socialism is you have to put 
machine guns and mines and wa;lls around the people you h ave 
trapped in it.  The problem with your racial equality nonsense 
is that it can't stand up to competition.  Your clones don't 
attack Japan for having immigration restrictions, but they 
attacked Australia, Europe and everybody else who shows signs 
of trying to keep the society white.  
     Not a single country can be all white, becuase you know 
what would happen: most of the whites would end up there.  
     Your equivalent of walls and banning debate is what 
disproves your system.  Openit up and I'll listen.  Keep it the 
way it is, without dissent and without competition, and I have 
no reason to believe a word it comes out with.  
      What is so great about your clones over scientific 
socialism?   The latter has already been exposed, that's the 
only difference.



From bwhit@conterra.com Fri Jun 14 10:33:31 PDT 1996
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holman@katk.helsinki.fi (Eugene Holman) wrote:
> wrote:
>
>> Arne Carlsten wrote:
>
>> >  The day pieces of two-legged
>> > shit like you start trying to run things again, we start dealing with
>> > your lot the way everyone from Siberia to California dealt with the last
>> > bunch: "Front sight, squeeeeze..."
>> > 
>
>To which Kevin Alfred Strom responded in article
><31BD322F.6385@ix.netcom.com>, :
> 
>> Arne, Arne. I never said the slightest thing about violence. This thread 
>> was about the Soviet Union and Communism. I deplore violence and want 
>> only self-determination and freedom for White people. You are the only 
>> one threatening violence and flailing insults about.
>> 
>> With nordic good wishes,
>> 
>
>
>Just another example that 'fellowship' and 'comradeship' do not spring
>from perceived racial communality.
>
>Regards,
>Eugene Holman


     It's really kind of you to be so happy about that, Eugene. 
  In Finland, if you said the same thing about a public spat 
between two Jews, you would probably be arrested by the Thought 
Police/



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jhavok@lava.net (James R. Olson, jr.) wrote:
>bob whitaker  wrote:
>
>->jhavok@lava.net (James R. Olson, jr.) wrote:
>->>Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote in a deceptively
>->>mild tone:
>->>
>->>
>->>->I do advocate racial separatism; much as Jefferson, Lincoln, Monroe, and 
>->>->the vast majority of our founding fathers advocated it.
>->>
>->>
>->>The only way you are going to achieve racial seperatism is by law, the
>->>only way you can enforce that law is by force.  Thus by claiming that
>->>you want racial seperation, you are saying that it should be achieved
>->>by the use of force.  Your mild tone is patently a lie. 
>->>
>->>By the way, I'm curious as to why you never addressed Hiro
>->>Protagonist's earlier point about race being a flawed paradigm.  Most
>->>anthropologists agree that race is an artificial construct, since it
>->>can't be accurately delineated.
>->>
>->>	JimmyO
>->>   
>->>   Help to launch the future from
>->>http://www.apollo-society.org/apollo
>->>       The Apollo Launch Pad
>->>
>
>
>->     Any professor who didn't testify to that would lose his 
>->job.  An intelligent person does not take his data from 
>->totalitarian situations, but you clones certainly do.
>
>Haven't heard of academic tenure, have you?


   "There is nothing as dumb as a dumb man who thinks he's 
smart"  -- Oliver Hardy
    Let me tell you about your precious tenure.  It's great for 
any left-wing idea, but it doesn't last two seconds for a 
right-wing deviationist on a college camplus.  The second 
reader on my dissertation had written textbooks already in his 
field,a nd he later won a Nobel Prize.  But the minute a solid 
liberal took over as Dean of the School of Arts and Sciences, 
he and my first reader, along with others, were fired.  
      Any professor who refers to women or minotieies in a way 
deemed derogatory, tenure and all, loses his job on the spot.
      Telling ME about acvademic tenure!   Nothing is as dumb 
as a dumb man who thinks he's smart.    







>->      Actually. if you whites the simple choice of living in a 
>->country which, by immigration law, was limited to whites, you 
>->would have to build a Berlin Wall around most countries to keep 
>->most whites in.  All bullshit aside, almost everybody wants to 
>->raise kids in an all-white environment, including non-whites.
>->      This is why there was a Berlin Wall, and why you 
>->anti-whties(aka, anti-racists) cannot afford to allow a single 
>->white majority country to stay white.  Japan can have all the 
>->barriers against immigration it wants, but you go to pieces if 
>->a white country has them. 
>
>Japan takes plenty of flak for its racist policies and attitudes.  And
>"what about them" is not a justification.
>
>->Socialism and the melting pot are 
>->silly-ass ideas that sane people do not realy want.  You have 
>->to cut off ALL choice and build a Berlin Wall or sponsor 
>->low-cost housing and fair housing laws to block people into 
>->these situations.
>->      And please don't come up with the crap you clones always 
>->bring up at this point(and which you will deny you were going 
>->to say).  You were going to say that a wall to keep people out 
>->on Texas' border is just like the Berlin Will.  In other words, 
>->a prison wall is the same on both sides: for t hose it keeps in 
>->and those it keeps out. No way.  It's the kind of comic strip 
>->plausibility you people depend on.
>->       You cannot allow a white country to exist, because in 
>->the real world, nobody wants your melting pot.
>
>I happen to live in a melting pot right now.  We have a culture that
>is built out of the mess of immigrants that came here in the 1800's,
>and mixed race is the largest demographic.  Why?  Because as long as
>people are not programmed against it, they have no problems with
>"race" mixing.
>
>I grew up in a totally mixed neighborhood.

Who the hell cares where you were raised.  What I said, if you 
could read, was that others should have the right to live in an 
all0white country if they so choose.  Where does your being 
raisecx in a mixed community give you the right to force 
everybody to live your way?
    With a little voting shift, Russians could go back to the 
system that had to use machine guns to hold them in.  They were 
raised that way.  So what?
     Do try not to be so tiresome.

 

  I had friends of all
>races, and we knew the ethnic backgrounds of everyone, but it didn't
>really matter.  In fact, it was a point of pride how many different
>ancestors you had.
>
>It sounds to me like you might be one of them southwestern assholes
>who's worried your daughter might marry a Messkin.  That shit about
>"all-white" neighborhoods hasn't got anything to do with race, it's
>got to do with money.  Of course everyone wants to live in an affluent
>neighborhood. 

OK. The intelligent pretense is off, and you're trash again.

 It's only because of strutting crap like you that (in
>your part of the world, not mine) those neighborhoods are all-white.
>I guess you must be afraid of the competition, eh?  Gotta justify your
>position in the face of its patent injustice.  White is right, that's
>why we're in charge, nothing to do with keepin' the niggers down, they
>belong there.
>	
>	JimmyO
  
>   Help to launch the future from
>http://www.apollo-society.org/apollo
>       The Apollo Launch Pad
>
    

You Voices of Reason always end up shrieking and talking like 
trash, don't you?



From bwhit@conterra.com Fri Jun 14 13:32:19 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Asian Invasion of England!
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harvey callum seymour smith  wrote:
>Dear all!
>	Several interesting notes:
>	First, since when did England become a separate nation again?
>	I though we were living in the UNITED KINGDOM?
>	Second, as world travel becomes cheaper, more and more people 
>	will be mixing in each and every nation.  So get use to the 
>	varity of life.
>	Third, Europe is not really much more than apendage on the Asian 
>	land mass, so were are all really part of the same land and life.
>	Forth, in this globally minded business world, there is no place 
>	for racial or cultural hate.  Business simply does not care about 
>	the colour, or culture of the partners and customers...
>
>	Enjoy!
>
>
>	"I have a dream" MLK


     Youa nd your "historical inevitability"!  The one thing I 
can predict with certainty is that what is "historically 
inevitable" is highly improbable.
      



From bwhit@conterra.com Fri Jun 14 13:51:13 PDT 1996
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jhavok@lava.net (James R. Olson, jr.) wrote:
>bob whitaker  wrote:
>
>->jhavok@lava.net (James R. Olson, jr.) wrote:
>->>Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote in a deceptively
>->>mild tone:
>->>
>->>
>->>->I do advocate racial separatism; much as Jefferson, Lincoln, Monroe, and 
>->>->the vast majority of our founding fathers advocated it.
>->>
>->>
>->>The only way you are going to achieve racial seperatism is by law, the
>->>only way you can enforce that law is by force.  Thus by claiming that
>->>you want racial seperation, you are saying that it should be achieved
>->>by the use of force.  Your mild tone is patently a lie. 
>->>
>->>By the way, I'm curious as to why you never addressed Hiro
>->>Protagonist's earlier point about race being a flawed paradigm.  Most
>->>anthropologists agree that race is an artificial construct, since it
>->>can't be accurately delineated.
>->>
>->>	JimmyO
>->>   
>->>   Help to launch the future from
>->>http://www.apollo-society.org/apollo
>->>       The Apollo Launch Pad
>->>
>
>
>->     Any professor who didn't testify to that would lose his 
>->job.  An intelligent person does not take his data from 
>->totalitarian situations, but you clones certainly do.
>
>Haven't heard of academic tenure, have you?


   "There is nothing as dumb as a dumb man who thinks he's 
smart"  -- Oliver Hardy
    Let me tell you about your precious tenure.  It's great for 
any left-wing idea, but it doesn't last two seconds for a 
right-wing deviationist on a college camplus.  The second 
reader on my dissertation had written textbooks already in his 
field,a nd he later won a Nobel Prize.  But the minute a solid 
liberal took over as Dean of the School of Arts and Sciences, 
he and my first reader, along with others, were fired.  
      Any professor who refers to women or minotieies in a way 
deemed derogatory, tenure and all, loses his job on the spot.
      Telling ME about acvademic tenure!   Nothing is as dumb 
as a dumb man who thinks he's smart.    







>->      Actually. if you whites the simple choice of living in a 
>->country which, by immigration law, was limited to whites, you 
>->would have to build a Berlin Wall around most countries to keep 
>->most whites in.  All bullshit aside, almost everybody wants to 
>->raise kids in an all-white environment, including non-whites.
>->      This is why there was a Berlin Wall, and why you 
>->anti-whties(aka, anti-racists) cannot afford to allow a single 
>->white majority country to stay white.  Japan can have all the 
>->barriers against immigration it wants, but you go to pieces if 
>->a white country has them. 
>
>Japan takes plenty of flak for its racist policies and attitudes.  And
>"what about them" is not a justification.
>
>->Socialism and the melting pot are 
>->silly-ass ideas that sane people do not realy want.  You have 
>->to cut off ALL choice and build a Berlin Wall or sponsor 
>->low-cost housing and fair housing laws to block people into 
>->these situations.
>->      And please don't come up with the crap you clones always 
>->bring up at this point(and which you will deny you were going 
>->to say).  You were going to say that a wall to keep people out 
>->on Texas' border is just like the Berlin Will.  In other words, 
>->a prison wall is the same on both sides: for t hose it keeps in 
>->and those it keeps out. No way.  It's the kind of comic strip 
>->plausibility you people depend on.
>->       You cannot allow a white country to exist, because in 
>->the real world, nobody wants your melting pot.
>
>I happen to live in a melting pot right now.  We have a culture that
>is built out of the mess of immigrants that came here in the 1800's,
>and mixed race is the largest demographic.  Why?  Because as long as
>people are not programmed against it, they have no problems with
>"race" mixing.
>
>I grew up in a totally mixed neighborhood.

Who the hell cares where you were raised.  What I said, if you 
could read, was that others should have the right to live in an 
all0white country if they so choose.  Where does your being 
raisecx in a mixed community give you the right to force 
everybody to live your way?
    With a little voting shift, Russians could go back to the 
system that had to use machine guns to hold them in.  They were 
raised that way.  So what?
     Do try not to be so tiresome.

 

  I had friends of all
>races, and we knew the ethnic backgrounds of everyone, but it didn't
>really matter.  In fact, it was a point of pride how many different
>ancestors you had.
>
>It sounds to me like you might be one of them southwestern assholes
>who's worried your daughter might marry a Messkin.  That shit about
>"all-white" neighborhoods hasn't got anything to do with race, it's
>got to do with money.  Of course everyone wants to live in an affluent
>neighborhood. 

OK. The intelligent pretense is off, and you're trash again.

 It's only because of strutting crap like you that (in
>your part of the world, not mine) those neighborhoods are all-white.
>I guess you must be afraid of the competition, eh?  Gotta justify your
>position in the face of its patent injustice.  White is right, that's
>why we're in charge, nothing to do with keepin' the niggers down, they
>belong there.
>	
>	JimmyO
  
>   Help to launch the future from
>http://www.apollo-society.org/apollo
>       The Apollo Launch Pad
>
    

You Voices of Reason always end up shrieking and talking like 
trash, don't you?



From bwhit@conterra.com Fri Jun 14 14:13:35 PDT 1996
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jhavok@lava.net (James R. Olson, jr.) wrote:
>bob whitaker  wrote:
>
>->jhavok@lava.net (James R. Olson, jr.) wrote:
>->>Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote in a deceptively
>->>mild tone:
>->>
>->>
>->>->I do advocate racial separatism; much as Jefferson, Lincoln, Monroe, and 
>->>->the vast majority of our founding fathers advocated it.
>->>
>->>
>->>The only way you are going to achieve racial seperatism is by law, the
>->>only way you can enforce that law is by force.  Thus by claiming that
>->>you want racial seperation, you are saying that it should be achieved
>->>by the use of force.  Your mild tone is patently a lie. 
>->>
>->>By the way, I'm curious as to why you never addressed Hiro
>->>Protagonist's earlier point about race being a flawed paradigm.  Most
>->>anthropologists agree that race is an artificial construct, since it
>->>can't be accurately delineated.
>->>
>->>	JimmyO
>->>   
>->>   Help to launch the future from
>->>http://www.apollo-society.org/apollo
>->>       The Apollo Launch Pad
>->>
>
>
>->     Any professor who didn't testify to that would lose his 
>->job.  An intelligent person does not take his data from 
>->totalitarian situations, but you clones certainly do.
>
>Haven't heard of academic tenure, have you?


   "There is nothing as dumb as a dumb man who thinks he's 
smart"  -- Oliver Hardy
    Let me tell you about your precious tenure.  It's great for 
any left-wing idea, but it doesn't last two seconds for a 
right-wing deviationist on a college camplus.  The second 
reader on my dissertation had written textbooks already in his 
field,a nd he later won a Nobel Prize.  But the minute a solid 
liberal took over as Dean of the School of Arts and Sciences, 
he and my first reader, along with others, were fired.  
      Any professor who refers to women or minotieies in a way 
deemed derogatory, tenure and all, loses his job on the spot.
      Telling ME about acvademic tenure!   Nothing is as dumb 
as a dumb man who thinks he's smart.    







>->      Actually. if you whites the simple choice of living in a 
>->country which, by immigration law, was limited to whites, you 
>->would have to build a Berlin Wall around most countries to keep 
>->most whites in.  All bullshit aside, almost everybody wants to 
>->raise kids in an all-white environment, including non-whites.
>->      This is why there was a Berlin Wall, and why you 
>->anti-whties(aka, anti-racists) cannot afford to allow a single 
>->white majority country to stay white.  Japan can have all the 
>->barriers against immigration it wants, but you go to pieces if 
>->a white country has them. 
>
>Japan takes plenty of flak for its racist policies and attitudes.  And
>"what about them" is not a justification.
>
>->Socialism and the melting pot are 
>->silly-ass ideas that sane people do not realy want.  You have 
>->to cut off ALL choice and build a Berlin Wall or sponsor 
>->low-cost housing and fair housing laws to block people into 
>->these situations.
>->      And please don't come up with the crap you clones always 
>->bring up at this point(and which you will deny you were going 
>->to say).  You were going to say that a wall to keep people out 
>->on Texas' border is just like the Berlin Will.  In other words, 
>->a prison wall is the same on both sides: for t hose it keeps in 
>->and those it keeps out. No way.  It's the kind of comic strip 
>->plausibility you people depend on.
>->       You cannot allow a white country to exist, because in 
>->the real world, nobody wants your melting pot.
>
>I happen to live in a melting pot right now.  We have a culture that
>is built out of the mess of immigrants that came here in the 1800's,
>and mixed race is the largest demographic.  Why?  Because as long as
>people are not programmed against it, they have no problems with
>"race" mixing.
>
>I grew up in a totally mixed neighborhood.

Who the hell cares where you were raised.  What I said, if you 
could read, was that others should have the right to live in an 
all0white country if they so choose.  Where does your being 
raisecx in a mixed community give you the right to force 
everybody to live your way?
    With a little voting shift, Russians could go back to the 
system that had to use machine guns to hold them in.  They were 
raised that way.  So what?
     Do try not to be so tiresome.

 

  I had friends of all
>races, and we knew the ethnic backgrounds of everyone, but it didn't
>really matter.  In fact, it was a point of pride how many different
>ancestors you had.
>
>It sounds to me like you might be one of them southwestern assholes
>who's worried your daughter might marry a Messkin.  That shit about
>"all-white" neighborhoods hasn't got anything to do with race, it's
>got to do with money.  Of course everyone wants to live in an affluent
>neighborhood. 

OK. The intelligent pretense is off, and you're trash again.

 It's only because of strutting crap like you that (in
>your part of the world, not mine) those neighborhoods are all-white.
>I guess you must be afraid of the competition, eh?  Gotta justify your
>position in the face of its patent injustice.  White is right, that's
>why we're in charge, nothing to do with keepin' the niggers down, they
>belong there.
>	
>	JimmyO
  
>   Help to launch the future from
>http://www.apollo-society.org/apollo
>       The Apollo Launch Pad
>
    

You Voices of Reason always end up shrieking and talking like 
trash, don't you?



From bwhit@conterra.com Fri Jun 14 14:43:21 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Looking for an expert on Aryan culture
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sterrett@cts.com (Tony Sterrett) wrote:
>I am hoping that some one who is an expert on Aryan culture can answer 
>this question for me.
>
>My cat is a Persian cat. Now I know that Iran which means Aryan is 
>present name for Persia.My cat also has blue eyes, very blue like 
>Hitlers. My cat also act superior around the cats of mixed breed. I have 
>shown him a picture of Hitler and he tried to lick it. He will also come
>to me if I say "Kommen Sie hier".
>
>In addition, my cat hates his (Jewish) vet and has tried to scratch him. 
>I believe he knows that his (Jewish) vet is behind the pills I have to 
>give him because he wont take them! My cat is also very cruel to small 
>animals, he even tortures them before killing.  He has  so many  Aryan 
>traits he must be one. 
>


     For your sake, I have prayed to Vishnu's first question, 
and in my trance I was granted an answer to your question:

     What you got there is Adolf's reincarnation.

      I require no remuneration, but donations are gratefully 
accepted.



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     This really does remind me of the debates I had with 
Communists who wanted to ignore the Berlin Wall!





Arne Carlsten  wrote:
>Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote:
>: James R. Olson, jr. wrote:
>
>: > 
>: > Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote in a deceptively
>: > mild tone:
>: > 
>: > ->I do advocate racial separatism; much as Jefferson, Lincoln, Monroe, and
>: > ->the vast majority of our founding fathers advocated it.
>: > 
>: > The only way you are going to achieve racial seperatism is by law, the
>: > only way you can enforce that law is by force.  Thus by claiming that
>: > you want racial seperation, you are saying that it should be achieved
>: > by the use of force.  Your mild tone is patently a lie.
>: > 
>
>: The only way you can stop litter is by law. The only way you can enforce 
>: that law is by force. If you want to stop litter, you are saying it 
>: should be achieved by the use of force. Your mild tone is patently a lie.
>
>
>Gee.  I drive down the streets here and don't see folks lobbing 
>half-eaten Big Macs, or wine bottles, or used diapers, out their 
>windows.  Not even out in the woods, with not a cop in sight.
>
>Seems they don't litter for some other reason than fear of forcibly 
>enforced laws.  Like having enough consideration for their neighbors to 
>_not_ make a mess.
>
>
>: The only way that you can stop discrimination is by law. The only way 
>: that you can enforce that law is by force. If you want to stop 
>: discrimination, you are saying it should be achieved by the use of force. 
>: Your mild tone is patently a lie.
>
>
>Gee, I see people judging those around them on the basis of that person's 
>behavior, not on the basis of their religion or skin color.  It doesn't 
>take a cop with a gun pointed at your head to make the average person act 
>reasonably.
>
>But not littering doesn't infringe upon my right to live freely: no one's 
>said I can't toss garbage out the car window to my heart's delight, only 
>that I can't do it on the _public_ roads where it harms others or in 
>_someone_elses'_ yard where it harms them.  I can lob shit out my windows 
>day and night, so long as I'm not infringing upon others.
>
>I'm perfectly free to discriminate with regard to my friends; it's 
>_public_ discrimination that's acted against.
>
>But the "separatism" you seek to enforce would strip us of that freedom 
>as well: the state would decide who we can socialize with, who we can 
>have sex with, who we can live with.  It would decide, on the basis of 
>race, where we can live and work and visit.  And it would enforce that 
>decision with all the power of the state: by men with guns and dogs, by 
>internal passports, by warrantless searches, and surveillance of our 
>private lives.  Or do you have some other means than those used by Nazi 
>Germany and the Soviet Union and South Africa to enforce such laws?
>
>
>: > By the way, I'm curious as to why you never addressed Hiro
>: > Protagonist's earlier point about race being a flawed paradigm.  Most
>: > anthropologists agree that race is an artificial construct, since it
>: > can't be accurately delineated.
>: > 
>
>: Are you saying that it can _never_ be accurately delineated? What an 
>: interesting conclusion.
>
>: Are you saying that if we cannot precisely define the border between two 
>: entities -- like the Gulf of Mexico and the Mississippi River -- that the 
>: entities themselves do not exist?
>
>: Are you saying that because meteorologists have subjectively or 
>: arbitrarily decided what to call "low pressure" and what to call "high 
>: pressure," that storm systems do not exist?
>
>: What "most anthropologists" believe would be interesting to know, but 
>: certainly not authoritative. Many physical anthropologists would disagree 
>: with you; but let that pass.
>
>
>Name _one_.  "Many," hell, damn near _all_, physical anthropologists 
>would tell you that "race" is a meaningless social construct.  The 
>genetic and physical differences between the so-called races are less 
>than the differences that can be observed _within_ these groups.
>
>But Nazis such as yourself have chosen to fixate upon minor cosmetic 
>factors such as skin color, and to ignore much greater differences and 
>variability in such things as blood types, chemical sensitivities, 
>susceptability to disease organisms...
>
>I've got a degree in anthropology, with a specialization in physical 
>anthro (though geared towards forensic anthro more than genetics).  No 
>one in anthropology, outside such references as the dingbat published 
>back in 1851 you quoted the other day, believes anything approaching your 
>nonsense about "race."
>
>
>
>: By the way, I have addressed the issue of the reality of race in many 
>: posts before -- I suggest you do a Deja News search on my name or 
>: address, and they will all be available to you.
>
>: Many things which usefully and accurately describe the world around us 
>: are "artificial constructs" to some degree: the days of the week, for 
>: example. There is no way to prove that this period of midnight to 
>: midnight at the prime meridian actually _is_ Thursday, for example, 
>: because "Thursday" is a term we have _agreed on_ (though it does describe 
>: something that exists in the real world). Once we fail to agree on that 
>: definition -- such as one of us insisting that sunrise and not midnight, 
>: or Dallas and not Greenwich are the defining points of reference, then 
>: "Thursday" falls apart as a concept we can communicate about. But the 
>: reality behind "Thursday" is unaltered -- it continues to be what it is, 
>: and what it always has been.
>
>: Species, subspecies, and racial boundaries are subject to disagreement 
>: among men -- obviously. But it would be absurd to therefore argue that 
>: life forms do not differentiate and branch off into subspecies, which in 
>: turn branch off into new species. Race is an aspect of this process. And 
>: I think that the primary human races certainly qualify for at least 
>: subspecies classification.
>
>
>Fortunately, aside from a handful of bigots such as yourself, no one 
>agrees with this attempt at dehumanization of 'non-Aryans."
>
>
>: By the way, what is your comment on Arne Carlsten's "mild tone"?
>
>: With all good wishes,
>
>
>: -- 
>
>
>: Kevin Alfred Strom
>
>: -----------------------------------------------------------
>:       Resource list; not all are affiliated with me;
>:                   I speak only for myself:
>
>:                  Occupied America Homepage:
>:       http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/america/
>
>:      Information on Amateur Radio Operations on 3950 kHz:
>:             http://www.usaor.net/users/mckinney/
>
>:                 The Finest in European Art:
>:       http://www.telecall.co.uk/~synergy/gframing/cat2.html
>
>:                    Patriotic Resistance:
>:                   http://www.natvan.com/
>:                   http://www.natall.com/
>
>--
>Arne Gustav Carlsten
>Flagstaff, Arizona
>
>Chomh da/na le muc...




From bwhit@conterra.com Fri Jun 14 18:22:02 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Re: A GREAT DAY FOR FREEDOM!  AN AWFUL DAY FOR CAESAR AND HIS CLONES!
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   bob whitaker  wrote:
>    Yesterday a Federal court threw out the US Congress' 
>attempt to censor the internet.  Caesar and the rest of you who 
>want Hate Laws and censorship of racist thought have received a 
>blow.  Internet Free America is still in business!
>     Some clones like Lambert want to dig up info and ruin 
>people professionally and financially for being racists, Caesar 
>wants them imprisoned and/or shot.  But their dreams have 
>received a kick where they deserve one.  
>


   It looks like the clones have given up their pretense of 
being for free speech.
    That makes it a good day for honesty, too.



From bwhit@conterra.com Fri Jun 14 18:42:27 PDT 1996
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     This really does remind me of the debates I had with 
Communists who wanted to ignore the Berlin Wall!





Arne Carlsten  wrote:
>Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote:
>: James R. Olson, jr. wrote:
>
>: > 
>: > Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote in a deceptively
>: > mild tone:
>: > 
>: > ->I do advocate racial separatism; much as Jefferson, Lincoln, Monroe, and
>: > ->the vast majority of our founding fathers advocated it.
>: > 
>: > The only way you are going to achieve racial seperatism is by law, the
>: > only way you can enforce that law is by force.  Thus by claiming that
>: > you want racial seperation, you are saying that it should be achieved
>: > by the use of force.  Your mild tone is patently a lie.
>: > 
>
>: The only way you can stop litter is by law. The only way you can enforce 
>: that law is by force. If you want to stop litter, you are saying it 
>: should be achieved by the use of force. Your mild tone is patently a lie.
>
>
>Gee.  I drive down the streets here and don't see folks lobbing 
>half-eaten Big Macs, or wine bottles, or used diapers, out their 
>windows.  Not even out in the woods, with not a cop in sight.
>
>Seems they don't litter for some other reason than fear of forcibly 
>enforced laws.  Like having enough consideration for their neighbors to 
>_not_ make a mess.
>
>
>: The only way that you can stop discrimination is by law. The only way 
>: that you can enforce that law is by force. If you want to stop 
>: discrimination, you are saying it should be achieved by the use of force. 
>: Your mild tone is patently a lie.
>
>
>Gee, I see people judging those around them on the basis of that person's 
>behavior, not on the basis of their religion or skin color.  It doesn't 
>take a cop with a gun pointed at your head to make the average person act 
>reasonably.
>
>But not littering doesn't infringe upon my right to live freely: no one's 
>said I can't toss garbage out the car window to my heart's delight, only 
>that I can't do it on the _public_ roads where it harms others or in 
>_someone_elses'_ yard where it harms them.  I can lob shit out my windows 
>day and night, so long as I'm not infringing upon others.
>
>I'm perfectly free to discriminate with regard to my friends; it's 
>_public_ discrimination that's acted against.
>
>But the "separatism" you seek to enforce would strip us of that freedom 
>as well: the state would decide who we can socialize with, who we can 
>have sex with, who we can live with.  It would decide, on the basis of 
>race, where we can live and work and visit.  And it would enforce that 
>decision with all the power of the state: by men with guns and dogs, by 
>internal passports, by warrantless searches, and surveillance of our 
>private lives.  Or do you have some other means than those used by Nazi 
>Germany and the Soviet Union and South Africa to enforce such laws?
>
>
>: > By the way, I'm curious as to why you never addressed Hiro
>: > Protagonist's earlier point about race being a flawed paradigm.  Most
>: > anthropologists agree that race is an artificial construct, since it
>: > can't be accurately delineated.
>: > 
>
>: Are you saying that it can _never_ be accurately delineated? What an 
>: interesting conclusion.
>
>: Are you saying that if we cannot precisely define the border between two 
>: entities -- like the Gulf of Mexico and the Mississippi River -- that the 
>: entities themselves do not exist?
>
>: Are you saying that because meteorologists have subjectively or 
>: arbitrarily decided what to call "low pressure" and what to call "high 
>: pressure," that storm systems do not exist?
>
>: What "most anthropologists" believe would be interesting to know, but 
>: certainly not authoritative. Many physical anthropologists would disagree 
>: with you; but let that pass.
>
>
>Name _one_.  "Many," hell, damn near _all_, physical anthropologists 
>would tell you that "race" is a meaningless social construct.  The 
>genetic and physical differences between the so-called races are less 
>than the differences that can be observed _within_ these groups.
>
>But Nazis such as yourself have chosen to fixate upon minor cosmetic 
>factors such as skin color, and to ignore much greater differences and 
>variability in such things as blood types, chemical sensitivities, 
>susceptability to disease organisms...
>
>I've got a degree in anthropology, with a specialization in physical 
>anthro (though geared towards forensic anthro more than genetics).  No 
>one in anthropology, outside such references as the dingbat published 
>back in 1851 you quoted the other day, believes anything approaching your 
>nonsense about "race."
>
>
>
>: By the way, I have addressed the issue of the reality of race in many 
>: posts before -- I suggest you do a Deja News search on my name or 
>: address, and they will all be available to you.
>
>: Many things which usefully and accurately describe the world around us 
>: are "artificial constructs" to some degree: the days of the week, for 
>: example. There is no way to prove that this period of midnight to 
>: midnight at the prime meridian actually _is_ Thursday, for example, 
>: because "Thursday" is a term we have _agreed on_ (though it does describe 
>: something that exists in the real world). Once we fail to agree on that 
>: definition -- such as one of us insisting that sunrise and not midnight, 
>: or Dallas and not Greenwich are the defining points of reference, then 
>: "Thursday" falls apart as a concept we can communicate about. But the 
>: reality behind "Thursday" is unaltered -- it continues to be what it is, 
>: and what it always has been.
>
>: Species, subspecies, and racial boundaries are subject to disagreement 
>: among men -- obviously. But it would be absurd to therefore argue that 
>: life forms do not differentiate and branch off into subspecies, which in 
>: turn branch off into new species. Race is an aspect of this process. And 
>: I think that the primary human races certainly qualify for at least 
>: subspecies classification.
>
>
>Fortunately, aside from a handful of bigots such as yourself, no one 
>agrees with this attempt at dehumanization of 'non-Aryans."
>
>
>: By the way, what is your comment on Arne Carlsten's "mild tone"?
>
>: With all good wishes,
>
>
>: -- 
>
>
>: Kevin Alfred Strom
>
>: -----------------------------------------------------------
>:       Resource list; not all are affiliated with me;
>:                   I speak only for myself:
>
>:                  Occupied America Homepage:
>:       http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/america/
>
>:      Information on Amateur Radio Operations on 3950 kHz:
>:             http://www.usaor.net/users/mckinney/
>
>:                 The Finest in European Art:
>:       http://www.telecall.co.uk/~synergy/gframing/cat2.html
>
>:                    Patriotic Resistance:
>:                   http://www.natvan.com/
>:                   http://www.natall.com/
>
>--
>Arne Gustav Carlsten
>Flagstaff, Arizona
>
>Chomh da/na le muc...




From bwhit@conterra.com Fri Jun 14 18:55:17 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
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EXCELLENT IDEA WHITE WOLF!
   Actually, I don't actually respond to the clones.  If you 
notice, each time I "reply" it is to give an idea of my own, 
speaking over their heads to those reading.
    They hate my constanttnly referring to them as what they 
are: clones.  Everything they say is out of the knee jerk 
handbook, so it isn't a real challenge to use the same old crap 
I've heard for decades as a springboard for making my point.
     The problem is that I don't really read your orr Strom's 
or fh's or the other replies, because I assume they are 
actually replies to this drivel.  I think if we all agree to 
talk over their heads, we could combine a good discussion with 
reacting tot he same old, old, old, old, old, etc., crap.
      Do you folks read what I write?   I would really like to 
know, because it is aimed at you.





 



From bwhit@conterra.com Fri Jun 14 19:13:43 PDT 1996
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     This really does remind me of the debates I had with 
Communists who wanted to ignore the Berlin Wall!





Arne Carlsten  wrote:
>Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote:
>: James R. Olson, jr. wrote:
>
>: > 
>: > Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote in a deceptively
>: > mild tone:
>: > 
>: > ->I do advocate racial separatism; much as Jefferson, Lincoln, Monroe, and
>: > ->the vast majority of our founding fathers advocated it.
>: > 
>: > The only way you are going to achieve racial seperatism is by law, the
>: > only way you can enforce that law is by force.  Thus by claiming that
>: > you want racial seperation, you are saying that it should be achieved
>: > by the use of force.  Your mild tone is patently a lie.
>: > 
>
>: The only way you can stop litter is by law. The only way you can enforce 
>: that law is by force. If you want to stop litter, you are saying it 
>: should be achieved by the use of force. Your mild tone is patently a lie.
>
>
>Gee.  I drive down the streets here and don't see folks lobbing 
>half-eaten Big Macs, or wine bottles, or used diapers, out their 
>windows.  Not even out in the woods, with not a cop in sight.
>
>Seems they don't litter for some other reason than fear of forcibly 
>enforced laws.  Like having enough consideration for their neighbors to 
>_not_ make a mess.
>
>
>: The only way that you can stop discrimination is by law. The only way 
>: that you can enforce that law is by force. If you want to stop 
>: discrimination, you are saying it should be achieved by the use of force. 
>: Your mild tone is patently a lie.
>
>
>Gee, I see people judging those around them on the basis of that person's 
>behavior, not on the basis of their religion or skin color.  It doesn't 
>take a cop with a gun pointed at your head to make the average person act 
>reasonably.
>
>But not littering doesn't infringe upon my right to live freely: no one's 
>said I can't toss garbage out the car window to my heart's delight, only 
>that I can't do it on the _public_ roads where it harms others or in 
>_someone_elses'_ yard where it harms them.  I can lob shit out my windows 
>day and night, so long as I'm not infringing upon others.
>
>I'm perfectly free to discriminate with regard to my friends; it's 
>_public_ discrimination that's acted against.
>
>But the "separatism" you seek to enforce would strip us of that freedom 
>as well: the state would decide who we can socialize with, who we can 
>have sex with, who we can live with.  It would decide, on the basis of 
>race, where we can live and work and visit.  And it would enforce that 
>decision with all the power of the state: by men with guns and dogs, by 
>internal passports, by warrantless searches, and surveillance of our 
>private lives.  Or do you have some other means than those used by Nazi 
>Germany and the Soviet Union and South Africa to enforce such laws?
>
>
>: > By the way, I'm curious as to why you never addressed Hiro
>: > Protagonist's earlier point about race being a flawed paradigm.  Most
>: > anthropologists agree that race is an artificial construct, since it
>: > can't be accurately delineated.
>: > 
>
>: Are you saying that it can _never_ be accurately delineated? What an 
>: interesting conclusion.
>
>: Are you saying that if we cannot precisely define the border between two 
>: entities -- like the Gulf of Mexico and the Mississippi River -- that the 
>: entities themselves do not exist?
>
>: Are you saying that because meteorologists have subjectively or 
>: arbitrarily decided what to call "low pressure" and what to call "high 
>: pressure," that storm systems do not exist?
>
>: What "most anthropologists" believe would be interesting to know, but 
>: certainly not authoritative. Many physical anthropologists would disagree 
>: with you; but let that pass.
>
>
>Name _one_.  "Many," hell, damn near _all_, physical anthropologists 
>would tell you that "race" is a meaningless social construct.  The 
>genetic and physical differences between the so-called races are less 
>than the differences that can be observed _within_ these groups.
>
>But Nazis such as yourself have chosen to fixate upon minor cosmetic 
>factors such as skin color, and to ignore much greater differences and 
>variability in such things as blood types, chemical sensitivities, 
>susceptability to disease organisms...
>
>I've got a degree in anthropology, with a specialization in physical 
>anthro (though geared towards forensic anthro more than genetics).  No 
>one in anthropology, outside such references as the dingbat published 
>back in 1851 you quoted the other day, believes anything approaching your 
>nonsense about "race."
>
>
>
>: By the way, I have addressed the issue of the reality of race in many 
>: posts before -- I suggest you do a Deja News search on my name or 
>: address, and they will all be available to you.
>
>: Many things which usefully and accurately describe the world around us 
>: are "artificial constructs" to some degree: the days of the week, for 
>: example. There is no way to prove that this period of midnight to 
>: midnight at the prime meridian actually _is_ Thursday, for example, 
>: because "Thursday" is a term we have _agreed on_ (though it does describe 
>: something that exists in the real world). Once we fail to agree on that 
>: definition -- such as one of us insisting that sunrise and not midnight, 
>: or Dallas and not Greenwich are the defining points of reference, then 
>: "Thursday" falls apart as a concept we can communicate about. But the 
>: reality behind "Thursday" is unaltered -- it continues to be what it is, 
>: and what it always has been.
>
>: Species, subspecies, and racial boundaries are subject to disagreement 
>: among men -- obviously. But it would be absurd to therefore argue that 
>: life forms do not differentiate and branch off into subspecies, which in 
>: turn branch off into new species. Race is an aspect of this process. And 
>: I think that the primary human races certainly qualify for at least 
>: subspecies classification.
>
>
>Fortunately, aside from a handful of bigots such as yourself, no one 
>agrees with this attempt at dehumanization of 'non-Aryans."
>
>
>: By the way, what is your comment on Arne Carlsten's "mild tone"?
>
>: With all good wishes,
>
>
>: -- 
>
>
>: Kevin Alfred Strom
>
>: -----------------------------------------------------------
>:       Resource list; not all are affiliated with me;
>:                   I speak only for myself:
>
>:                  Occupied America Homepage:
>:       http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/america/
>
>:      Information on Amateur Radio Operations on 3950 kHz:
>:             http://www.usaor.net/users/mckinney/
>
>:                 The Finest in European Art:
>:       http://www.telecall.co.uk/~synergy/gframing/cat2.html
>
>:                    Patriotic Resistance:
>:                   http://www.natvan.com/
>:                   http://www.natall.com/
>
>--
>Arne Gustav Carlsten
>Flagstaff, Arizona
>
>Chomh da/na le muc...




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   How long are you clowns going to justify everything with 
Hitler?



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From: bob whitaker 
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Subject: Re: Do racists support the right of blacks and Jews to free speech?
Date: 14 Jun 1996 04:12:40 GMT
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Laura Finsten  wrote:
>"Ronald C. Schoedel"  wrote:
>
>[edit]
>
>>This is the silliness of the liberals who should know better:  they think we
>>want to rule over other races and dictate to them how to run their
>>societies.  But that is in direct opposition to what we want, which is
>>self-determination and self-rule, which totally precludes any telling of
>>any other races what to do.
>
>So, does this mean that you don't want to and won't "tell" those on your 
>lengthy list of undesirables to get out of your "white national territory",
>Mr. Schoedel?  That you won't tell them by what date they have to be gone?
>That you would exercise no control over how they dispose of their property
>before they depart?  That you won't tell those who chose to stay what
>rights they do and don't have?
>
>
    The fact is that we want some all white areas on earth to 
compete with your melting pot crap.  You cannot allow on square 
kilometer of the earth to be restricted to whites.  It would 
expose your nonsense to real competition and real human 
preferences.  Like the Reds, you have lots of words, but in the 
real world, nobody wants to live in your nonsense, and any real 
competition would expose that.



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   How long are you clowns going to justify everything with 
Hitler?



From bwhit@conterra.com Sat Jun 15 15:19:09 PDT 1996
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   How long are you clowns going to justify everything with 
Hitler?



From bwhit@conterra.com Sat Jun 15 18:21:59 PDT 1996
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Are the media inaccurate?
Does a bruin excrete solids in a sylvan environment?



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Are the media inaccurate?
Does a bruin excrete solids in a sylvan environment?



From bwhit@conterra.com Sun Jun 16 09:19:11 PDT 1996
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    I find Finsten's and Whitey's lack of faith in my 
Revelation most disturbing, but it is only to b e expected that 
people who disagree with me would have serious character 
failings.
    Mr. Sterret, please allow me to remind you of what I said 
about the donations.



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John Stone <20676jrs@msu.edu> wrote:
>Actually Peter, Europe is getting more and more non-whites
>moving there all the time.  Running away from America is not
>going to solve your problem.  There simply are not enough 
>good paying jobs for everyone to earn a decent living in this
>country and some people are going to be left out of the
>economic mainstream whether they are white or black.  
>
   Japan went from third world to above the US in per capita 
income in the era when the US became stagnant.  It is also the 
era in which Japan remained racially homogeneous while the 
melting pot crap took over the US.  Nonody is helpless.  There 
is nothing inevitable about there not being enough good paying 
jobs.  White-dominated America beat far greater challenges than 
this.
      "Oh poor us, the Lord just didn't give us enough decent 
jobs!"  
     What utter bullshit!  



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From: bob whitaker 
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Subject: Re: A GREAT DAY FOR FREEDOM!  AN AWFUL DAY FOR CAESAR AND HIS CLONES!
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Laura Finsten  wrote:
>bob whitaker  wrote:
>
>>    Yesterday a Federal court threw out the US Congress' 
>>attempt to censor the internet.  Caesar and the rest of you who 
>>want Hate Laws and censorship of racist thought have received a 
>>blow.  Internet Free America is still in business!
>
>You really did work in Washington, didn't you.  You are very
>adept, although perhaps a little too transparent, in all those
>great political skills like lying, twisting the truth,
>misrepresenting what people say, and generalising about a
>whole bunch of people on the basis of the remarks or one
>or two.  Did you design negative ads for a Republican
>campaign or something, Mr. Whitaker?  

   As you say, the Democrats never, never lie.
   Yes, i did design a LOT of ads.

If you're looking for
>work, you should give it a try, you've got a real knack for
>that kind of misleading, emotional claptrap.
>
>>     Some clones like Lambert want to dig up info and ruin 
>>people professionally and financially for being racists, Caesar 

As I said, I was quoting Lambert, who said specifically that 
he opposed laws against racist speech, but he wanted all 
racists ruined professionally.   Caesar states flatly he is 
not for free speech.  Anything hitler did is OK to do for the 
other side.
    In case you need reminding, Adolf was not an advocate of 
free speech.


>You are a liar and a hypocrite, Mr. Whitaker.  Keep talking,
>your self-ruination emerges with every word.  
>
>>wants them imprisoned and/or shot.  But their dreams have 
>>received a kick where they deserve one.  
>
>
>




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From: bob whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Re: A GREAT DAY FOR FREEDOM!  AN AWFUL DAY FOR CAESAR AND HIS CLONES!
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paul@mustang.mv.com (Whitey) wrote:
>Laura Finsten  wrote:
>
>>bob whitaker  wrote:
>
>>>    Yesterday a Federal court threw out the US Congress' 
>>>attempt to censor the internet.  Caesar and the rest of you who 
>>>want Hate Laws and censorship of racist thought have received a 
>>>blow.  Internet Free America is still in business!
>
>>You really did work in Washington, didn't you.  You are very
>>adept, although perhaps a little too transparent, in all those
>>great political skills like lying, twisting the truth,
>>misrepresenting what people say, and generalising about a
>>whole bunch of people on the basis of the remarks or one
>>or two.  Did you design negative ads for a Republican
>>campaign or something, Mr. Whitaker?  If you're looking for
>>work, you should give it a try, you've got a real knack for
>>that kind of misleading, emotional claptrap.
>
>>>     Some clones like Lambert want to dig up info and ruin 
>>>people professionally and financially for being racists, 

Lambert said exactly that in one of his postings to me.
I have never met anyone who used the liar as freely as you do 
who  had any real respect for the truth themselves.   The word 
"lie" appears most often in Communist and Fascist literature, 
though you're catcching up.

Caesar 
>
>>You are a liar and a hypocrite, Mr. Whitaker.  Keep talking,
>>your self-ruination emerges with every word.  
>
>>>wants them imprisoned and/or shot.  But their dreams have 
>>>received a kick where they deserve one.  
>
>
>
>Bob did make a mistake in assuming that all those with whom he was at
>war ( ie: clones, libs, etc. ) were FOR the CDA. I have always been an
>outspoken critic of racist bullshit, AND equally if not more outspoken
>against the CDA. Anyone else recall my call for others to join the
>fight to have the CDA put down like the rabid dog that it is? Damn, I
>want to put that on a fucking bumper-sticker! ANY person who values
>their freedom as an American citizen should be adamant in opposition
>to the CDA, or to Clipper III, if it ever shows up. The point is that
>the 1st amendment is alive and well. Hey, the racist scumbags may be
>stupid, but they do have the constitutional right to demonstrate their
>stupidity in public. Now, threats of violence is another story. The
>idiots who promise people that they will swing on the day of the ropes
>or to expect a big bad nazi to come and kick down their door for being
>a race-traitor are more than mere idiots - threats of violence are NOT
>protected speech, and regardless of its forum is punishable under the
>law. Let's get our constitutional rights straight here, folks. 
>
>Byte me.
>
>P.S. - Hey Bob, I wrote the PRESIDENT and told him to kill the CDA.
>What did you do to assist in its demise?
>
>
     A good deal.  Writing to the president is not exactly 
climibing a mountain.
      The day you publicly denounce your clone Caesar's 
totalitarianism I will be impressedby your dedication to 
freedom of speech.  You do lots of theorizing, but remain a 
good clone in debate.



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Laura Finsten  wrote:
>bob whitaker  wrote:
>>Laura Finsten  wrote:
>>>bob whitaker  wrote:
>>>>jhavok@lava.net (James R. Olson, jr.) wrote:
>
>>>[cut]
>
>>>>>Most
>>>>>anthropologists agree that race is an artificial construct, since it
>>>>>can't be accurately delineated.
>
>>>>     Any professor who didn't testify to that would lose his 
>>>>job.  An intelligent person does not take his data from 
>>>>totalitarian situations, but you clones certainly do.
>
>>>Bullshit, Mr. Whitaker.  I'd like you to explain to me how,
>>>as one example, L.L. Cavalli-Sforza's data constitute a
>>>sample taken from "totalitarian situations".  Since you
>>>seem to think you know so much more than the scientists
>>>conducting the work that has led them to the conclusion
>>>that race is not a meaningful *biological* construct for
>>>humans, perhaps you'd like to take his genetic data, show
>>>us how he has misinterpreted them, and offer an alternative
>>>framework.  No?  No need, eh, you know all the *right* answers,
>>>Mr. Whitaker?
>
>[cut]
>
>
>>    You didn't disagree about what happens to professors who 
>>disagree with yout premise, you just covered it over.  
>>Communists would give me the same crap, telling me about all 
>>the evidence for scientific socialism at Moscow University.  My 
>>response was not to go into that trivia, but to look at the big 
>>picture.  That is, if it's so damned scientific, why can't it 
>>stand up to open debate?  It can't stand up to open debate if 
>>anybody opposing it will lose his job.  End of discussion.
>
>Big debate.  Much of it ugly.  Much of it the kind of PC crap
>that you are constantly accusing every "anti-racist" here of
>engaging in.  University of Western Ontario.  J. Phillippe
>Rushton, professor in the Psychology department.  Rushton
>appeared on the Geraldo Rivera show - this was big time news,
>by popular media standards, so you may recall the case. The kind of 
>stuff you'd probably like a lot.  See his book "Race, Evolution 
>and Behavior".  Furor erupts in January 1987 (or was it 88?).
>Calls for his dismissal, based on a paper he presented at the
>annual meeting of the AAAS (the book is an expansion, essentially,
>of the paper), for racism.  His academic freedom was defended
>staunchly by the Dean of his faculty, an eminent population 
>geneticist of international repute, trained in biological
>anthropology, who declared that Rushton had the right to conduct
>his research and publish the results, whether it offended or
>not.  This population geneticist is now the editor of the American
>Journal of Physical Anthropology, the premier journal in
>physical anthropology in all the world. 

      I'm glad you said that.  I think it is published by the 
Physical Anthropogists Society,  in the US, whatever the name 
is.  A friend of mine, now dead, Carlton S. Coon, was president 
of that society.  While he was president of the society, he had 
the gall to publish a book called *Origin of Races*, whihc said 
race was as important as it looked, among other things.  He was 
a top professor at Harvard and was the physical anthropolgist 
for the Smithsonian, among other things.  This heresy really 
blasted them through the roof.
   I am glad you recognize the importance of physical 
anthropology.  It is under total establishment control now, but 
at least it was not founded specifically to prove the races 
equal from the outset, as Boaz founded social anthropoly.


 She is VP Academic
>at a Canadian university and will shortly become President at
>a different Canadian University.  She took a lot of flak for
>her position on this matter, but she stood her ground.  Rushton was 
>also defended by other administrators at the university.  Rushton
>is still a professor in the psychology department at Western.
>He's still publishing, and he's still doing research.  The book
>I mentioned above was published in 1994.  It has been widely
>(and mostly negatively) reviewed in prominent journals in a 
>number of social science disciplines.

    I once read the biography of a man who was a friend of 
Hitler when he was young.  During the Holocaust, he personally 
asked Adolf to spare an old Jew in a small town, and Hitler 
did.
     Despite this fact, i contend that the Third Reich was 
antisemitic.  Not only does this incident not disprove that 
novel theory, but the fact that he had to intervene for the old 
man was a demonstration of the policy of antisemitism.
     This sounds pretty obvious, until we review whwat you just 
said.  You said that this guy was about to lose his job, and 
this lady professor came to his defense, and he kept it.   This 
proves there is no oppression of dissent in academia in the 
same way the incident with Hitler's friend shows the Third 
Reich was not antisemitic.


>And you totally avoided my challenge.  I challenged you to
>demonstrate *how* and *why* the genetic research that
>debunks race as a valid *biological* category for humans
>is bogus.  The challenge still stands, Mr. Whitaker.


      I said that there was a Stalinist law imposing the death 
sentence for antisemitism.  Your clones started screaming it 
never happened, and challenged me to prove.  We proved it. No 
one on your side made any response to being wrong.  What's the 
point?
       More important, I do not think that the argument against 
genocide rests on the superiority of the race one is not going 
to cause to disappear.  You would agree with this if we were 
discussing any race but whites.   To your mind, the sacfrifice 
of your rac3 is a high sacrifice and a blessed t hing.  I think 
that is very, very sick thinking, the sort of think that has 
liberal social policy such a great success. 
    I am not loyal to my family, my country, or my race because 
they are superior, but becuase they are mine.
    
>>    The problem with scientific socialism is you have to put 
>>machine guns and mines and wa;lls around the people you h ave 
>>trapped in it.  The problem with your racial equality nonsense 
>>is that it can't stand up to competition.  Your clones don't 
>>attack Japan for having immigration restrictions, but they 
>>attacked Australia, Europe and everybody else who shows signs 
>>of trying to keep the society white.
>
>Don't start dishing out that clone crap to me again, Mr.
>Whitaker.


    As I told Whitey, i will start to believe your lack of a 
clone status if and when you ever disagree with any of your 
clones publicly.
    I kknw I could do better myself, but I also have a reason 
for not disagreeing with my fellow racists.  We don't read each 
other's stuff.   Please remember that what you say is what we 
have heard, day in and day out, year after year, all our lives. 
 So when Les answers one of you or your clones repetitions of 
the party line, it is of little interest to the other of us.  
We've heard it all, ad nauseum, and we know all the way down to 
our brain stems what is wrong with the crap we've heard all our 
lives.
    However, I'll start if you'll start.
    
>>     Not a single country can be all white, becuase you know 
>>what would happen: most of the whites would end up there.  
>>     Your equivalent of walls and banning debate is what 
>>disproves your system.  Openit up and I'll listen.  Keep it the 
>>way it is, without dissent and without competition, and I have 
>>no reason to believe a word it comes out with.
>
>  >      What is so great about your clones over scientific 
>>socialism?   The latter has already been exposed, that's the 
>>only difference.


      
>The difference is between a totalitarian regime and a democracy,
>Mr. Whitaker.  You ought to know that.
>
Do you therefore insist that every immigration law is pure 
racism?  There are many, many countries where I cannot settle, 
b ut i am not offended by it.   I am nonethelss a free man.  So 
how does the idea of a country limited to white  immigrtion 
make the whole world a suffocaating dictatorship.  You cannot 
afford one of those because it would make mincemeat of your 
melting pot nonsense.

>




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From: bob whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Re: newsgroups going nowhere
Date: 14 Jun 1996 17:57:10 GMT
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jeannek@rio.com (Jeanne Kowalewski) wrote:
>In article ,
>anonymous@newamericans.com (White Wolf) wrote:
>
>* I thought that newsgroups were originally developed for discussions. These
>* groups, however, are now being used for entertainment, mere jawboning of
>* silly flames which are going into the void. 
>* 
>* What is happening here is this:  Those opposed to white power and white
>* politics have jammed this newsgroup with drivel, innuendo, and endless
>* reactionary argumentation. By so doing, the reactionaries are winning.
>* Why? Because the discussion is no longer white power politics; instead, it
>* is a ridiculous area for liberals to attack white power political
>* arguments.
>
>If you want your own private goose-stepping fanclub, then you should
>create a private mailing list or moderated newsgroup. This is a public
>forum where white power is discussed from all viewpoints, and if you
>cannot tolerate dissenting opinion or put forth credible evidence for your
>own beliefs, then you should seek out a segregated lockerroom where y'all
>can slap each others' backs and snap each other in the ass with your 100%
>Aryan towels.
>
>* What we have here is similar to the Democratic Convention allowing
>* Republicans to speak. What we have here is the Catholic Church inviting
>* Arabs to hold the Mass. What we have here is domination of whites by
>* pro-black and pro-immigrant forces.
>
>What we have here is a bunch of people who are loudly proclaiming that you
>do not speak for us.
>
>* The answer? Filter out some of the offenders and don't speak to them.
>* Specifically, filter out Jeanne Kowalski, Caesar, evil Beavis. This will
>* get rid of 30% of the problem. Then, as the enemy makes itself known,
>* filter them until the discussion that YOU see is white power politics.
>
>Kewl! We can all make fun of you and tear apart your arguments without you
>being able to reply. You'll end up with just you and Les mumbling to each
>other and bitching about the Joos. Geez - that must be like one of your NA
>get-togethers, huh? Why don't you stick your fingers in your ears and make
>nonsensical sounds to try and drown out all of the lib'ruls? Your buddy
>Les seems to think that is an effective tactic, and my daughter used it
>quite a bit before she hit double digits and learned how to be really
>annoying.
>
>* White Wolf has spoken.
>
>You'd probably have more impact by whizzing on tree trunks to stake out
>your territory, Woofie.
>
>-- 
>Rev. Jeanne K.          |  SISTER JEANNE!
>Ordained Minister, ULC  |  Official Melchizedek Priest of McChurch
>http://ulc.org/ulc/     |  http://mcchurch.org
>
>"There are many humorous things in the world: among them the white
>man's notion that he is less savage than the other savages."
>‹ Mark Twain
>
>Just give me your hand,
>in a gesture of peace.
>Will you give me your hand
>and all troubles will cease,
>for the strong and the weak,
>for the rich and the poor?
>All peoples and creeds,
>let's meet their needs.
>With a passion, we can fashion,
>a new world of love!
>
>-- "Give Me Your Hand" recorded by The Wolfe Tones, 1991
>    on "Wolfe Tones: 25th Anniversary"


       Did I mention how relevant and brilliant and original 
all this was.  And exactly like the other geniuses!  And she 
did it twice in the same string.
        It makes one humble to be in the presence of a mind 
like that.



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From: bob whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Re: newsgroups going nowhere
Date: 14 Jun 1996 17:48:11 GMT
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jeannek@rio.com (Jeanne Kowalewski) wrote:
>In article <4pqmia$o7l@molokini.conterra.com>, bob whitaker
> wrote:
>
>* EXCELLENT IDEA WHITE WOLF!
>*    Actually, I don't actually respond to the clones.  If you 
>* notice, each time I "reply" it is to give an idea of my own, 
>* speaking over their heads to those reading.
>*     They hate my constanttnly referring to them as what they 
>* are: clones.  Everything they say is out of the knee jerk 
>* handbook, so it isn't a real challenge to use the same old crap 
>* I've heard for decades as a springboard for making my point.
>*      The problem is that I don't really read your orr Strom's 
>* or fh's or the other replies, because I assume they are 
>* actually replies to this drivel.  I think if we all agree to 
>* talk over their heads, we could combine a good discussion with 
>* reacting tot he same old, old, old, old, old, etc., crap.
>*       Do you folks read what I write?   I would really like to 
>* know, because it is aimed at you.
>
>Bob, if you've put off getting those meds refilled until payday, one thing
>that might help stem those anxiety attacks is to breathe deeply into a
>pager bag several times until you stabilize your oxygen intake. I noticed
>that you seem to be as irrational in responding to real Nazis, so you'd
>better get it under control before they label you a useless eater and lump
>you in with all of the libs for their "undesirables" list. 
>
>One positive thing is that you're finally recognising yourself to be the
>"same old, old, old, old, etc., crap." Admitting that you have a problem
>is the first step toward recovery, and we're all rootin' fer ya!
>
>-- 
>Rev. Jeanne K.          |  SISTER JEANNE!
>Ordained Minister, ULC  |  Official Melchizedek Priest of McChurch
>http://ulc.org/ulc/     |  http://mcchurch.org
>
>"There are many humorous things in the world: among them the white
>man's notion that he is less savage than the other savages."
>‹ Mark Twain
jeannek@rio.com (Jeanne Kowalewski) wrote:
>In article <4pqmia$o7l@molokini.conterra.com>, bob whitaker
> wrote:
>
>* EXCELLENT IDEA WHITE WOLF!
>*    Actually, I don't actually respond to the clones.  If you 
>* notice, each time I "reply" it is to give an idea of my own, 
>* speaking over their heads to those reading.
>*     They hate my constanttnly referring to them as what they 
>* are: clones.  Everything they say is out of the knee jerk 
>* handbook, so it isn't a real challenge to use the same old crap 
>* I've heard for decades as a springboard for making my point.
>*      The problem is that I don't really read your orr Strom's 
>* or fh's or the other replies, because I assume they are 
>* actually replies to this drivel.  I think if we all agree to 
>* talk over their heads, we could combine a good discussion with 
>* reacting tot he same old, old, old, old, old, etc., crap.
>*       Do you folks read what I write?   I would really like to 
>* know, because it is aimed at you.
>
>Bob, if you've put off getting those meds refilled until payday, one thing
>that might help stem those anxiety attacks is to breathe deeply into a
>pager bag several times until you stabilize your oxygen intake. I noticed
>that you seem to be as irrational in responding to real Nazis, so you'd
>better get it under control before they label you a useless eater and lump
>you in with all of the libs for their "undesirables" list. 
>
>One positive thing is that you're finally recognising yourself to be the
>"same old, old, old, old, etc., crap." Admitting that you have a problem
>is the first step toward recovery, and we're all rootin' fer ya!
>
>-- 
>Rev. Jeanne K.          |  SISTER JEANNE!
>Ordained Minister, ULC  |  Official Melchizedek Priest of McChurch
>http://ulc.org/ulc/     |  http://mcchurch.org
>
>"There are many humorous things in the world: among them the white
>man's notion that he is less savage than the other savages."
>‹ Mark Twain
jeannek@rio.com (Jeanne Kowalewski) wrote:
>In article <4pqmia$o7l@molokini.conterra.com>, bob whitaker
> wrote:
>
>* EXCELLENT IDEA WHITE WOLF!
>*    Actually, I don't actually respond to the clones.  If you 
>* notice, each time I "reply" it is to give an idea of my own, 
>* speaking over their heads to those reading.
>*     They hate my constanttnly referring to them as what they 
>* are: clones.  Everything they say is out of the knee jerk 
>* handbook, so it isn't a real challenge to use the same old crap 
>* I've heard for decades as a springboard for making my point.
>*      The problem is that I don't really read your orr Strom's 
>* or fh's or the other replies, because I assume they are 
>* actually replies to this drivel.  I think if we all agree to 
>* talk over their heads, we could combine a good discussion with 
>* reacting tot he same old, old, old, old, old, etc., crap.
>*       Do you folks read what I write?   I would really like to 
>* know, because it is aimed at you.
>
>Bob, if you've put off getting those meds refilled until payday, one thing
>that might help stem those anxiety attacks is to breathe deeply into a
>pager bag several times until you stabilize your oxygen intake. I noticed
>that you seem to be as irrational in responding to real Nazis, so you'd
>better get it under control before they label you a useless eater and lump
>you in with all of the libs for their "undesirables" list. 
>
>One positive thing is that you're finally recognising yourself to be the
>"same old, old, old, old, etc., crap." Admitting that you have a problem
>is the first step toward recovery, and we're all rootin' fer ya!
>
>-- 
>Rev. Jeanne K.          |  SISTER JEANNE!
>Ordained Minister, ULC  |  Official Melchizedek Priest of McChurch
>http://ulc.org/ulc/     |  http://mcchurch.org
>
>"There are many humorous things in the world: among them the white
>man's notion that he is less savage than the other savages."
>‹ Mark Twain
jeannek@rio.com (Jeanne Kowalewski) wrote:
>In article <4pqmia$o7l@molokini.conterra.com>, bob whitaker
> wrote:
>
>* EXCELLENT IDEA WHITE WOLF!
>*    Actually, I don't actually respond to the clones.  If you 
>* notice, each time I "reply" it is to give an idea of my own, 
>* speaking over their heads to those reading.
>*     They hate my constanttnly referring to them as what they 
>* are: clones.  Everything they say is out of the knee jerk 
>* handbook, so it isn't a real challenge to use the same old crap 
>* I've heard for decades as a springboard for making my point.
>*      The problem is that I don't really read your orr Strom's 
>* or fh's or the other replies, because I assume they are 
>* actually replies to this drivel.  I think if we all agree to 
>* talk over their heads, we could combine a good discussion with 
>* reacting tot he same old, old, old, old, old, etc., crap.
>*       Do you folks read what I write?   I would really like to 
>* know, because it is aimed at you.
>
>Bob, if you've put off getting those meds refilled until payday, one thing
>that might help stem those anxiety attacks is to breathe deeply into a
>pager bag several times until you stabilize your oxygen intake. I noticed
>that you seem to be as irrational in responding to real Nazis, so you'd
>better get it under control before they label you a useless eater and lump
>you in with all of the libs for their "undesirables" list. 
>
>One positive thing is that you're finally recognising yourself to be the
>"same old, old, old, old, etc., crap." Admitting that you have a problem
>is the first step toward recovery, and we're all rootin' fer ya!
>
>-- 
>Rev. Jeanne K.          |  SISTER JEANNE!
>Ordained Minister, ULC  |  Official Melchizedek Priest of McChurch
>http://ulc.org/ulc/     |  http://mcchurch.org
>
>"There are many humorous things in the world: among them the white
>man's notion that he is less savage than the other savages."
>‹ Mark Twain


     Boy!    That was sure some calm and reasoned dialogue 
containing original thoughts and insights.  How could I have 
been so wrong about you clones?



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Laura Finsten  wrote:
>bob whitaker  wrote:
>>Laura Finsten  wrote:
>>>bob whitaker  wrote:
>>>>jhavok@lava.net (James R. Olson, jr.) wrote:
>
>>>[cut]
>
>>>>>Most
>>>>>anthropologists agree that race is an artificial construct, since it
>>>>>can't be accurately delineated.
>
>>>>     Any professor who didn't testify to that would lose his 
>>>>job.  An intelligent person does not take his data from 
>>>>totalitarian situations, but you clones certainly do.
>
>>>Bullshit, Mr. Whitaker.  I'd like you to explain to me how,
>>>as one example, L.L. Cavalli-Sforza's data constitute a
>>>sample taken from "totalitarian situations".  Since you
>>>seem to think you know so much more than the scientists
>>>conducting the work that has led them to the conclusion
>>>that race is not a meaningful *biological* construct for
>>>humans, perhaps you'd like to take his genetic data, show
>>>us how he has misinterpreted them, and offer an alternative
>>>framework.  No?  No need, eh, you know all the *right* answers,
>>>Mr. Whitaker?
>
>[cut]
>
>
>>    You didn't disagree about what happens to professors who 
>>disagree with yout premise, you just covered it over.  
>>Communists would give me the same crap, telling me about all 
>>the evidence for scientific socialism at Moscow University.  My 
>>response was not to go into that trivia, but to look at the big 
>>picture.  That is, if it's so damned scientific, why can't it 
>>stand up to open debate?  It can't stand up to open debate if 
>>anybody opposing it will lose his job.  End of discussion.
>
>Big debate.  Much of it ugly.  Much of it the kind of PC crap
>that you are constantly accusing every "anti-racist" here of
>engaging in.  University of Western Ontario.  J. Phillippe
>Rushton, professor in the Psychology department.  Rushton
>appeared on the Geraldo Rivera show - this was big time news,
>by popular media standards, so you may recall the case. The kind of 
>stuff you'd probably like a lot.  See his book "Race, Evolution 
>and Behavior".  Furor erupts in January 1987 (or was it 88?).
>Calls for his dismissal, based on a paper he presented at the
>annual meeting of the AAAS (the book is an expansion, essentially,
>of the paper), for racism.  His academic freedom was defended
>staunchly by the Dean of his faculty, an eminent population 
>geneticist of international repute, trained in biological
>anthropology, who declared that Rushton had the right to conduct
>his research and publish the results, whether it offended or
>not.  This population geneticist is now the editor of the American
>Journal of Physical Anthropology, the premier journal in
>physical anthropology in all the world. 

      I'm glad you said that.  I think it is published by the 
Physical Anthropogists Society,  in the US, whatever the name 
is.  A friend of mine, now dead, Carlton S. Coon, was president 
of that society.  While he was president of the society, he had 
the gall to publish a book called *Origin of Races*, whihc said 
race was as important as it looked, among other things.  He was 
a top professor at Harvard and was the physical anthropolgist 
for the Smithsonian, among other things.  This heresy really 
blasted them through the roof.
   I am glad you recognize the importance of physical 
anthropology.  It is under total establishment control now, but 
at least it was not founded specifically to prove the races 
equal from the outset, as Boaz founded social anthropoly.


 She is VP Academic
>at a Canadian university and will shortly become President at
>a different Canadian University.  She took a lot of flak for
>her position on this matter, but she stood her ground.  Rushton was 
>also defended by other administrators at the university.  Rushton
>is still a professor in the psychology department at Western.
>He's still publishing, and he's still doing research.  The book
>I mentioned above was published in 1994.  It has been widely
>(and mostly negatively) reviewed in prominent journals in a 
>number of social science disciplines.

    I once read the biography of a man who was a friend of 
Hitler when he was young.  During the Holocaust, he personally 
asked Adolf to spare an old Jew in a small town, and Hitler 
did.
     Despite this fact, i contend that the Third Reich was 
antisemitic.  Not only does this incident not disprove that 
novel theory, but the fact that he had to intervene for the old 
man was a demonstration of the policy of antisemitism.
     This sounds pretty obvious, until we review whwat you just 
said.  You said that this guy was about to lose his job, and 
this lady professor came to his defense, and he kept it.   This 
proves there is no oppression of dissent in academia in the 
same way the incident with Hitler's friend shows the Third 
Reich was not antisemitic.


>And you totally avoided my challenge.  I challenged you to
>demonstrate *how* and *why* the genetic research that
>debunks race as a valid *biological* category for humans
>is bogus.  The challenge still stands, Mr. Whitaker.


      I said that there was a Stalinist law imposing the death 
sentence for antisemitism.  Your clones started screaming it 
never happened, and challenged me to prove.  We proved it. No 
one on your side made any response to being wrong.  What's the 
point?
       More important, I do not think that the argument against 
genocide rests on the superiority of the race one is not going 
to cause to disappear.  You would agree with this if we were 
discussing any race but whites.   To your mind, the sacfrifice 
of your rac3 is a high sacrifice and a blessed t hing.  I think 
that is very, very sick thinking, the sort of think that has 
liberal social policy such a great success. 
    I am not loyal to my family, my country, or my race because 
they are superior, but becuase they are mine.
    
>>    The problem with scientific socialism is you have to put 
>>machine guns and mines and wa;lls around the people you h ave 
>>trapped in it.  The problem with your racial equality nonsense 
>>is that it can't stand up to competition.  Your clones don't 
>>attack Japan for having immigration restrictions, but they 
>>attacked Australia, Europe and everybody else who shows signs 
>>of trying to keep the society white.
>
>Don't start dishing out that clone crap to me again, Mr.
>Whitaker.


    As I told Whitey, i will start to believe your lack of a 
clone status if and when you ever disagree with any of your 
clones publicly.
    I kknw I could do better myself, but I also have a reason 
for not disagreeing with my fellow racists.  We don't read each 
other's stuff.   Please remember that what you say is what we 
have heard, day in and day out, year after year, all our lives. 
 So when Les answers one of you or your clones repetitions of 
the party line, it is of little interest to the other of us.  
We've heard it all, ad nauseum, and we know all the way down to 
our brain stems what is wrong with the crap we've heard all our 
lives.
    However, I'll start if you'll start.
    
>>     Not a single country can be all white, becuase you know 
>>what would happen: most of the whites would end up there.  
>>     Your equivalent of walls and banning debate is what 
>>disproves your system.  Openit up and I'll listen.  Keep it the 
>>way it is, without dissent and without competition, and I have 
>>no reason to believe a word it comes out with.
>
>  >      What is so great about your clones over scientific 
>>socialism?   The latter has already been exposed, that's the 
>>only difference.


      
>The difference is between a totalitarian regime and a democracy,
>Mr. Whitaker.  You ought to know that.
>
Do you therefore insist that every immigration law is pure 
racism?  There are many, many countries where I cannot settle, 
b ut i am not offended by it.   I am nonethelss a free man.  So 
how does the idea of a country limited to white  immigrtion 
make the whole world a suffocaating dictatorship.  You cannot 
afford one of those because it would make mincemeat of your 
melting pot nonsense.

>




From bwhit@conterra.com Sun Jun 16 12:39:59 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
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Laura Finsten  wrote:
>bob whitaker  wrote:
>>Laura Finsten  wrote:
>>>bob whitaker  wrote:
>>>>jhavok@lava.net (James R. Olson, jr.) wrote:
>
>>>[cut]
>
>>>>>Most
>>>>>anthropologists agree that race is an artificial construct, since it
>>>>>can't be accurately delineated.
>
>>>>     Any professor who didn't testify to that would lose his 
>>>>job.  An intelligent person does not take his data from 
>>>>totalitarian situations, but you clones certainly do.
>
>>>Bullshit, Mr. Whitaker.  I'd like you to explain to me how,
>>>as one example, L.L. Cavalli-Sforza's data constitute a
>>>sample taken from "totalitarian situations".  Since you
>>>seem to think you know so much more than the scientists
>>>conducting the work that has led them to the conclusion
>>>that race is not a meaningful *biological* construct for
>>>humans, perhaps you'd like to take his genetic data, show
>>>us how he has misinterpreted them, and offer an alternative
>>>framework.  No?  No need, eh, you know all the *right* answers,
>>>Mr. Whitaker?
>
>[cut]
>
>
>>    You didn't disagree about what happens to professors who 
>>disagree with yout premise, you just covered it over.  
>>Communists would give me the same crap, telling me about all 
>>the evidence for scientific socialism at Moscow University.  My 
>>response was not to go into that trivia, but to look at the big 
>>picture.  That is, if it's so damned scientific, why can't it 
>>stand up to open debate?  It can't stand up to open debate if 
>>anybody opposing it will lose his job.  End of discussion.
>
>Big debate.  Much of it ugly.  Much of it the kind of PC crap
>that you are constantly accusing every "anti-racist" here of
>engaging in.  University of Western Ontario.  J. Phillippe
>Rushton, professor in the Psychology department.  Rushton
>appeared on the Geraldo Rivera show - this was big time news,
>by popular media standards, so you may recall the case. The kind of 
>stuff you'd probably like a lot.  See his book "Race, Evolution 
>and Behavior".  Furor erupts in January 1987 (or was it 88?).
>Calls for his dismissal, based on a paper he presented at the
>annual meeting of the AAAS (the book is an expansion, essentially,
>of the paper), for racism.  His academic freedom was defended
>staunchly by the Dean of his faculty, an eminent population 
>geneticist of international repute, trained in biological
>anthropology, who declared that Rushton had the right to conduct
>his research and publish the results, whether it offended or
>not.  This population geneticist is now the editor of the American
>Journal of Physical Anthropology, the premier journal in
>physical anthropology in all the world. 

      I'm glad you said that.  I think it is published by the 
Physical Anthropogists Society,  in the US, whatever the name 
is.  A friend of mine, now dead, Carlton S. Coon, was president 
of that society.  While he was president of the society, he had 
the gall to publish a book called *Origin of Races*, whihc said 
race was as important as it looked, among other things.  He was 
a top professor at Harvard and was the physical anthropolgist 
for the Smithsonian, among other things.  This heresy really 
blasted them through the roof.
   I am glad you recognize the importance of physical 
anthropology.  It is under total establishment control now, but 
at least it was not founded specifically to prove the races 
equal from the outset, as Boaz founded social anthropoly.


 She is VP Academic
>at a Canadian university and will shortly become President at
>a different Canadian University.  She took a lot of flak for
>her position on this matter, but she stood her ground.  Rushton was 
>also defended by other administrators at the university.  Rushton
>is still a professor in the psychology department at Western.
>He's still publishing, and he's still doing research.  The book
>I mentioned above was published in 1994.  It has been widely
>(and mostly negatively) reviewed in prominent journals in a 
>number of social science disciplines.

    I once read the biography of a man who was a friend of 
Hitler when he was young.  During the Holocaust, he personally 
asked Adolf to spare an old Jew in a small town, and Hitler 
did.
     Despite this fact, i contend that the Third Reich was 
antisemitic.  Not only does this incident not disprove that 
novel theory, but the fact that he had to intervene for the old 
man was a demonstration of the policy of antisemitism.
     This sounds pretty obvious, until we review whwat you just 
said.  You said that this guy was about to lose his job, and 
this lady professor came to his defense, and he kept it.   This 
proves there is no oppression of dissent in academia in the 
same way the incident with Hitler's friend shows the Third 
Reich was not antisemitic.


>And you totally avoided my challenge.  I challenged you to
>demonstrate *how* and *why* the genetic research that
>debunks race as a valid *biological* category for humans
>is bogus.  The challenge still stands, Mr. Whitaker.


      I said that there was a Stalinist law imposing the death 
sentence for antisemitism.  Your clones started screaming it 
never happened, and challenged me to prove.  We proved it. No 
one on your side made any response to being wrong.  What's the 
point?
       More important, I do not think that the argument against 
genocide rests on the superiority of the race one is not going 
to cause to disappear.  You would agree with this if we were 
discussing any race but whites.   To your mind, the sacfrifice 
of your rac3 is a high sacrifice and a blessed t hing.  I think 
that is very, very sick thinking, the sort of think that has 
liberal social policy such a great success. 
    I am not loyal to my family, my country, or my race because 
they are superior, but becuase they are mine.
    
>>    The problem with scientific socialism is you have to put 
>>machine guns and mines and wa;lls around the people you h ave 
>>trapped in it.  The problem with your racial equality nonsense 
>>is that it can't stand up to competition.  Your clones don't 
>>attack Japan for having immigration restrictions, but they 
>>attacked Australia, Europe and everybody else who shows signs 
>>of trying to keep the society white.
>
>Don't start dishing out that clone crap to me again, Mr.
>Whitaker.


    As I told Whitey, i will start to believe your lack of a 
clone status if and when you ever disagree with any of your 
clones publicly.
    I kknw I could do better myself, but I also have a reason 
for not disagreeing with my fellow racists.  We don't read each 
other's stuff.   Please remember that what you say is what we 
have heard, day in and day out, year after year, all our lives. 
 So when Les answers one of you or your clones repetitions of 
the party line, it is of little interest to the other of us.  
We've heard it all, ad nauseum, and we know all the way down to 
our brain stems what is wrong with the crap we've heard all our 
lives.
    However, I'll start if you'll start.
    
>>     Not a single country can be all white, becuase you know 
>>what would happen: most of the whites would end up there.  
>>     Your equivalent of walls and banning debate is what 
>>disproves your system.  Openit up and I'll listen.  Keep it the 
>>way it is, without dissent and without competition, and I have 
>>no reason to believe a word it comes out with.
>
>  >      What is so great about your clones over scientific 
>>socialism?   The latter has already been exposed, that's the 
>>only difference.


      
>The difference is between a totalitarian regime and a democracy,
>Mr. Whitaker.  You ought to know that.
>
Do you therefore insist that every immigration law is pure 
racism?  There are many, many countries where I cannot settle, 
b ut i am not offended by it.   I am nonethelss a free man.  So 
how does the idea of a country limited to white  immigrtion 
make the whole world a suffocaating dictatorship.  You cannot 
afford one of those because it would make mincemeat of your 
melting pot nonsense.

>




From bwhit@conterra.com Sun Jun 16 13:03:01 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
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   How long are you clowns going to justify everything with 
Hitler?



From bwhit@conterra.com Sun Jun 16 19:46:34 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
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Subject: Re: newsgroups going nowhere
Date: 14 Jun 1996 17:54:14 GMT
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patrickc@Direct.CA (Cthulhu) wrote:
>In article , anonymous@newamericans.com (White Wolf) wrote:
>>I thought that newsgroups were originally developed for discussions. These
>>groups, however, are now being used for entertainment, mere jawboning of
>>silly flames which are going into the void. 
>
>Racists never discuss anything. Ever.
>
>>What is happening here is this:  Those opposed to white power and white
>>politics have jammed this newsgroup with drivel, innuendo, and endless
>>reactionary argumentation. By so doing, the reactionaries are winning.
>>Why? Because the discussion is no longer white power politics; instead, it
>>is a ridiculous area for liberals to attack white power political
>>arguments.
>
>Whatsa matter, you hate truth?
>
>I thought so.
>
>>What we have here is similar to the Democratic Convention allowing
>>Republicans to speak. What we have here is the Catholic Church inviting
>>Arabs to hold the Mass. 
>
>Not that you would know anything about these.
>
>>What we have here is domination of whites by
>>pro-black and pro-immigrant forces.
>
>Wrong. What we have here are people with morals standing up to evil.
>
>>The answer? Filter out some of the offenders and don't speak to them.
>
>Translation: put your fingers in your ears and blow.
>
>>Specifically, filter out Jeanne Kowalski, Caesar, evil Beavis. This will
>>get rid of 30% of the problem. Then, as the enemy makes itself known,
>>filter them until the discussion that YOU see is white power politics.
>
>Yep. Since you cannot refute our arguments, you are simply going to stop 
>listening. 
>
>How typical this is of white racists.


    Insightful, original, brillaint, a truly in-depth analysis. 
 And all this brilliance in single sentence bursts!   What a 
mind!
     In fact, it is insightful, original, and brilliant in 
exactly, precisely the way the last two clones were insightful, 
original and brilliant.  
     Funny thing about clones...



From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Jun 17 16:36:28 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Australian Study of Swaddled Mongoloid and Caucasian Babies -- Need Info
Date: 17 Jun 1996 02:03:33 GMT
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     Some years ago, a small Australian study was made of 
swaddling Caucasoid and mongoloid infants, and found 
considerably more passivity among Mongoloid newborns.  Needless 
to say, this study was not repeated, but it was published, and 
I was wondering if anybody had the exact reference.



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     Could you please also post your replies to me?  I have a 
lousy service, and I am missing some of them.
     Thanks.



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Laura Finsten  wrote:
>bob whitaker  wrote:
>
>>    I find Finsten's and Whitey's lack of faith in my 
>>Revelation most disturbing, but it is only to b e expected that 
>>people who disagree with me would have serious character 
>>failings.
>
>>    Mr. Sterret, please allow me to remind you of what I said 
>>about the donations.
>
>Ah but Mr. Whitaker, everybody knows what those felines are like.
>Before you know it, they've taken over the neighbourhood, forced
>grocery store owners to devote entire sections to food prepared
>especially for them, and even convinced people to establish
>health care facilities devoted to their exclusive use.  Are you
>sure you weren't under the influence of a kitty when you thought
>you had that dream?  There isn't a cat in your house, is there?
>I just find it difficult to believe that one of those nefarious
>creatures would *not* be part of **FOG**.  They're all the same.
>

   You are one of those damned paranoids who are persecuting 
me!
   You think you'll drive me crazy, but I'll stay down here 
until you go away! 




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From: bob whitaker 
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Subject: Re: On Soviet Death Sentence for Anti-Semitism
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clambert@cris.com (Craig Lambert) wrote:
>On Fri, 07 Jun 1996 03:19:26 -0700, Kevin Alfred Strom
> wrote:
>
>>Craig Lambert wrote:

     The bottom line is that the Communists used Hate Laws just 
as they used anti-semitism.  There is no protection in using a 
single idology as the only true faith.  No leftist is safe per 
se from promooting racial hatred, no rightist is safe per se 
>from  promoting Communism.
    Your reaction to my mentioning this law was to say 1) I was 
wrong,a nd 2) I was evil for mentioning it.  I wish you had the 
grace to simply say taht, in that case, you were simply wrong, 
and to disown your clone who said I wwas a Nazi for mentioning 
this law.
     My point is that Hate Laws were used for oppression by the 
left long before Hitler.




>> 
>>> On Sun, 02 Jun 1996 05:32:52 -0700, Kevin Alfred Strom
>>>  wrote:...
>>> >
>>> >I have provided several references showing both Jewish and non-Jewish
>>> >Communists and Soviets stating that "anti-Semitism" was a crime in the
>>> >Soviet Union (or ought to be one in the United States). Stalin said that
>>> >"active anti-Semites" in the Soviet Union were being punished with death.
>>> >
>>> And I have shown that Joseph Stalin was himself an active anti-Semite who
>>> had motives, such as political expediency and scoring diplomatic and
>>> propaganda points, to lie about such a death penalty.  In 1938, at the time
>>> the remark you cited was made, Germany was on the move in Europe and many
>>> in Europe were courting alliances with Stalin against Germany.  Of course,
>>> we know which way this honest man jumped: he opted to ally with Germany and
>>> betray every shredded ideal his party still feebly upheld.
>>> 
>>> >Now, I agree that law in most countries is what the elite says it is, and
>>> >that was especially so in the Soviet Union. And I agree that Stalin
>>> >killed anyone who got in his way, including not a few Jews.
>>> >
>>> He did not just kill people who happened to be Jewish, for other reasons,
>>> he systematically killed people BECAUSE they were Jewish.  One is a killer,
>>> the other is a killer who is also an anti-Semite.
>>> 
>>
>>
>>I believe that Stalin arranged for the death of anyone who got in his 
>>way, or was a real or perceived threat to his personal power. 
>>With a bureaucracy very heavily Jewish, it was inevitable that 
>>many of these would be Jews; and it was inevitable that Stalin 
>>might suspect some, even many Jews of having more loyalty to their own 
>>people than to Marxism or to the cult of Joe Dzugahsvili. But -- millions 
>>of Jews continued to be a part of the Soviet system under Stalin, 
>>some in influential positions, something that certainly can't be said 
>>about WWII Germany.
>>
>I have presented extensive evidence that Jews in the Soviet Union were
>persecuted FOR BEING JEWS especially after WWII, and that Jews were
>systematically excluded from political and intellectual positions FOR BEING
>JEWS.   Really, you should be admiring Joe Stalin's 'race-conciousness' Mr.
>Strom, not attempting to disown it.   Marx thought Jewish religious
>practice and the social consciousness of most Jews was destructive of
>humane values: I have shown that.  The Communist Party in Russian
>implemented this by systematically stifling Jewish religious practices:
>Jewish religion got no special favors in the Soviet Union despite the
>supposed 'Jewish' cast of the CPSU.  Although Lenin was something of a
>transnationalist, many in the Russian Communist Party were not, and the
>ascent of Joe Stalin to power put Great Russian national chauvinism firmly
>in power.  The regimes ruling Russia have a long history of using Jews as
>scapegoats and the Soviet Union after 1930 and especially after 1948
>returned explicitly to that policy.
>
>>I am glad to see, though, that despite our disagreements, we concur on 
>>the powerful Jewish influence on and participation in the Bolshevik 
>>Revolution, and the criminalization of "anti-Semitism" there.
>>
>Your astonishing oversimplification and distortion of my points clearly
>reveals that you have no interest in truth, but only in polemical
>advantage.  I wonder what has happened to your own claim that anti-semitism
>was punishable by death, on the good word and authority of Joe Stalin?
>
>I have shown that Jews were persecuted for being Jews under the Tsars.
>That such people would seek to overturn the government that killed them,
>burned their homes, villages and synagogues, set lose mobs upon them,
>denied them political voice or advancement, and barred them from
>educational and occupational advancement is not at all strange: it is
>admirable.  Jews who chose to become Mensheviks or SR's or other varieties
>of revolutionaries were not spared from Bolshevik suppression because of
>their Jewishness after the Bolsheviks took power. Jewish religion was
>suppressed along with other religions by the Soviets: the single and
>solitary bright light for the Jews as a group under the Soviets was for the
>first time, for about a decade, being Jewish was no longer a handicap in
>Russia.  Being a practicing Jew was made more and more difficult, but just
>having a Jewish heritage was no longer a severe disability.
>
>>
>>> >But the repeated pronouncements of leading Communists as to their
>>> >position on this issue, coupled with the Jewish preponderance in the
>>> >founding of the Bolshevik state, lead me to believe that fervent if not
>>> >violent opposition to "anti-Semitism" was in fact one of the founding
>>> >principles of Soviet Communism. And my reading in the field also leads me
>>> >to believe that the inheritors of the Marxist mantle in the West today,
>>> >in almost all of their factions and sects, would continue to adhere to
>>> >that position.
>>> >
>>> >I have provided ample documentation of my thesis. If, after this
>>> >clarification, you still disagree with my thesis, then please provide
>>> >some evidence.
>>> >
>>> 
>>> I have done so elsewhere, in a series of new threads.  I believe the
>>> evidence shows that anti-semetism was, to many of the early communists, a
>>> distasteful reminder of the Tsarist state they overthrew.  They acted to
>>> curb displays of anti-semitism up through 1930s, although I find no
>>> evidence there was ever a law punishing anti-semitism with death, as
>>> initially claimed.  And note that whereas the suppression of Jewish
>>> religious observance was nearly complete, suppression of anti-semitism
>>> failed: anti-semitism eventually became official policy once again.
>>> 
>>
>>You failed to address one point, though. Is it not a fact that (almost?) 
>>all modern Marxist sects continue to at least demonize where they would 
>>not actually criminalize "anti-Semitism"?
>>
>Inasmuch as I have provided copious evidence that the most powerful and
>influential Communist party of all, the CPSU, practiced anti-Semitism for
>approximately 60 out of its 70 years in power, what is your point?  Are you
>again claiming that we should believe what Joe Stalin said, and not look at
>what he did?
>
>Are the Asian communist parties anti-anti-semitic?  Are the Communist
>parties of the Arab and Muslim world?  Where do you derive this so-called
>fact that the world's Marxist's oppose anti-semitism?  Did you even read
>the terrible things that Marx said about Jews that I posted here recently?
>
>I find it most strange, Mr. Strom, that in this one area you give high
>credit to Communists for their veracity.  If I told you that "(almost?) all
>modern Marxist sects" support the values of democracy, freedom of speech
>and human rights, which they do, would you take that support on its face
>value, or would you insist that Communist practice in these matters
>demonstrates their true values and purposes?
>
>
>>With all good wishes,
>>
>When you stop systematically distorting my arguments, I'll buy this as a
>tagline
>
>
>
>
>--
>Craig Lambert
>White Supremacists, Neo-Nazis, Klannies, Aryans, Racist Skins et al:
>1865: you lost
>1945: you lost
>1996: still losers




From bwhit@conterra.com Tue Jun 18 10:53:34 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
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Subject: Re: Karl Marx on Jews and Judaism, Part III
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   clambert@cris.com (Craig Lambert) wrote:
>On Fri, 07 Jun 1996 02:13:59 -0700, Kevin Alfred Strom
> wrote:
>
>>Caesar wrote:
>>> 
>>> Racists on this ng keep trying to say that Marx was a Jew.
>>> 
>>> Pretty odd, since he hated all religions (he called
>>> them the opium of the masses).
>>> 
>>
>>May I quote Dr. Frederick Lachman, Executive Editor, _Encyclopedia 
>>Judaica_?
>>
>>"Born in the Rhineland town of Trier (then West Prussia), Marx was the 
>>son of Jewish parents, Heinrich and Henrietta Marx. Heinrich Marx became 
>>a successful lawyer, and when an edict prevented Jews from being 
>>advocates he converted to Protestantism in 1817.
>Oh, how evil of the Marx family  to try to 'hide' their Jewishness simply
>because they were banned from making a living as Jews.  How devious!  Later
>German regimes would not let a simple matter of a conversion stand in the
>way of dealing with such swine!
>
>> In 1824, when Karl was 
>>six years old, his father converted his eight children, the authoritative 
>>Enclyclopedia Judaica reports. Heinrich, whose original name was Hirschel 
>>ha-Levi, was the son of a rabbi and the descendant of Talmudic scholars 
>>for many generations. Hirschel's brother was chief rabbi of Trier. 
>>Heinrich Marx married Henrietta Pressburg, who originated in Hungary and 
>>whose father became a rabbi in Nijmegen, Holland."
>>
>>It is strange that Jews do not generally claim that apostates to their 
>>religion automatically become non-Jews.
>Generally speaking, Mr. Strom, by definition a 'real' adherent to any cult
>may not become an apostate.  Frankly, since neither you nor I nor the adult
>Karl Marx consider(ed) ourselves to be Jewish, the opinions of some Jews in
>the matter carry little weight.
>
>> Obviously, Marxists, unless 
>>schizophrenic or ignorant of their own cult, cannot adhere to Judaism -- 
>>yet Jewish reference works claim people like Marx, Trotsky, and Herbert 
>>Aptheker (a leading Communist theoretician) as Jews. Obviously they think 
>>that bloodlines have something to do with Jewishness.
>>
>And perhaps you and I would both be considered Druids, by blood, if any
>authentic priests or priestesses of that religion could be exhumed,
>re-animated, and had the question posed to them.  Nevertheless, if Karl
>Marx says nasty things about Jews and Judaism, and founds a movement which
>delights in suppressing the Jewish religion along with other religions, one
>has to believe that he is serious in his views.
>
>Do you really maintain that Karl Marx thought the basis of consciousness is
>found in ethnic background?
>
>>It is only common courtesy to believe them.
>>
>So all the nasty things I put up that Marx said about Jews and the Judaic
>religion are to be disregarded because some religiously oriented Jews do
>not disown him?  He disowned them, and his philosophy in effect declared
>war on all transcendent religions, including Judaism.
>
>>Keep trying,
>>
>You have yet to deal with what Marx said about Jews, except to say that
>whatever insults he hurled, they still consider him Jewish.  Such tolerance
>on their part is noteworthy, but your position that the Soviet Union was
>founded by and for Jews is still shattered.
>
>
>
>Craig Lambert
>"I don't know who my grandfather was, I am much more
>concerned to know what his grandson will be."
>Abraham Lincoln


     Let someone who thinks he is a Druid try to get into 
England ona law of return, as they have for Jews in Israel, and 
see how unreal the category "Jew" is.
     Marx made one excellent point in*A World Without Jews*.  
He pointed out taht while the Jews bitched about being 
discriminated against, they were the only 
non-Christian(or non-Protestant or non-Catholic, for that 
matter) group to be left ALIVE in Europe.  Druids and all the 
rest were EXECUTED, not persecuted.
     Ah, but you ARE a good boy, aren't you, Lambert?



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   As I said, i only talk to the clones to talk over theior 
heads.  Good Lord, in this society who needs the internet to 
hear Politically Correct stuff?
    Now those who are worth talking to will see below a truly 
beautiful piece of Doublethink on the part of Mr. Ghandi.
    As for those who can't, who cares?



qwerty@qwerty.com (Rajiv K. Gandhi) wrote:
>In article <4pqoro$pu2@molokini.conterra.com>, bob whitaker
> wrote:
>
>> Laura Finsten  wrote:
>
>>     The fact is that we want some all white areas on earth to 
>> compete with your melting pot crap. 
>
>The melting pot crap you so earnestly dislike is not competing with
>anybody. Why do you feel so threatened by people who have a different skin
>colour ?
>
>> You cannot allow on square 
>> kilometer of the earth to be restricted to whites.
>
>A good size chunk of this earth was at one point restricted to whites
>only. That, however, has changed when people began to realize that the
>subjugation of other people based on ethnic background and physicial
>differences is lunacy at best.
>
>> It would 
>> expose your nonsense to real competition and real human 
>> preferences.  Like the Reds, you have lots of words, but in the 
>> real world, nobody wants to live in your nonsense, and any real 
>> competition would expose that.
>
>Again with the competition. Why do you automatically assume that you as a
>white person are in competition with all the so-called non-whites persons
>?




From bwhit@conterra.com Wed Jun 19 14:24:05 PDT 1996
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Mark Walters  wrote:
>Seen on the back of a Rolls Royce...
>
>F**K the Poor!
>
>:-)
>-- 
>------------------------------------------------------------
>Mark E. Walters
>CNE, CNI, MCT, Master CNE - I&A, MCPS, A+ Tech 
>
>eMAIL : mark@iti.org.za         Time Zone : CAT-2 (GMT+2)
>Voice : +27 (0)21 439 9080       FAX : +27 (0)21 439 9082
>------------------------------------------------------------

    Like that one:
     "Anyone who says money can't buy happiness
      Doesn't know where to shop."

I take it these are not limousaine liberals?



From bwhit@conterra.com Thu Jun 20 07:47:40 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
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"Modern anthropologists have provedn that races are equal in 
all inherited characterisitics."  That crazy sttatement was 
pretty standard into the 1960's, refering to Boaz theory that 
Neanderthal turned into what he called "modern man".  Anyone 
who challenged that was routinly told he was trying to kill six 
million Jews and fired.
  Now it's "modern genticists have proven that all races are 
equal in all intherited characterisitcs>' eh?   
   Ain't progress wonderful?
   Arguing 3with Communists before audiences, it was always 
hard to believe that these were the same folks who were 
shooting people who tried to escape their system down in cold 
blood.
    You said in passing that your aim was to ruin all racists 
personally and financially.  I've seen you people do that. Hard 
to believe this painfully reasonable person here is the same 
type who does that, but he is.   I've seen your nasty side in 
action, Bo, so don't give me this crap.



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"Modern anthropologists have provedn that races are equal in 
all inherited characterisitics."  That crazy sttatement was 
pretty standard into the 1960's, refering to Boaz theory that 
Neanderthal turned into what he called "modern man".  Anyone 
who challenged that was routinly told he was trying to kill six 
million Jews and fired.
  Now it's "modern genticists have proven that all races are 
equal in all intherited characterisitcs>' eh?   
   Ain't progress wonderful?
   Arguing 3with Communists before audiences, it was always 
hard to believe that these were the same folks who were 
shooting people who tried to escape their system down in cold 
blood.
    You said in passing that your aim was to ruin all racists 
personally and financially.  I've seen you people do that. Hard 
to believe this painfully reasonable person here is the same 
type who does that, but he is.   I've seen your nasty side in 
action, Bo, so don't give me this crap.



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"Modern anthropologists have provedn that races are equal in 
all inherited characterisitics."  That crazy sttatement was 
pretty standard into the 1960's, refering to Boaz theory that 
Neanderthal turned into what he called "modern man".  Anyone 
who challenged that was routinly told he was trying to kill six 
million Jews and fired.
  Now it's "modern genticists have proven that all races are 
equal in all intherited characterisitcs>' eh?   
   Ain't progress wonderful?
   Arguing 3with Communists before audiences, it was always 
hard to believe that these were the same folks who were 
shooting people who tried to escape their system down in cold 
blood.
    You said in passing that your aim was to ruin all racists 
personally and financially.  I've seen you people do that. Hard 
to believe this painfully reasonable person here is the same 
type who does that, but he is.   I've seen your nasty side in 
action, Bo, so don't give me this crap.



From bwhit@conterra.com Thu Jun 20 10:18:22 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Race and the PhD Priesthood
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bob whitaker  wrote:
>    When I was on Capitol Hill, I was on the House Education 
>and Labor Committee staff.  Once i was talking to a black 
>school official who had criticized a busing program.  He 
>mentioned he had been called a Nazi and a Klansman, so I 
>chuckled.  He said something like, "You know, the humor wears 
>off when you realize they're serious."
>     Long before he coauthored *The Bell Curve*, Richard 
>Herrnstein was a heretic at Harvard.   I mentioned him in my 
>first book and sent him a copy.  He wrote back, sounding 
>exactly like someone in enemy territory.   Herrnstein was 
>Jewish,a nd he could have beena  Lambert-type good Jewish boy, 
>but with a mind like his, it was out of the question.
>      I watched and complained while Herrnstein and Hans 
>Eysenck, whose Jewish family left Nazi Germany in 1936, were 
>seriously called Nazis by people with Jewish names and people 
>with names like Lambert and whatever Caesar's real name 
>probably is, and the humor was not there becaues they were 
>perfectly serious.
>      But the screams for mysnchings emanating from the likes 
>of Caesar and Lambert, and passively supported by the other 
>clones, are the end of the process.  They are what happens 
>after heretical research gets done.   We all read what happens 
>when research turns out wrong,and comes yup with a conclusion 
>the PhD priesthood does not want.   
>      The fact is that research taht might lead to heretical 
>conclusions is never purposely undertaken.  The competitiion 
>for research money is fierce,a nd nobody, but noboy, goes intot 
>aht competition to reach conclusions the Lambers and Caesars 
>and theiur Thought Police would disapprove.  The proof is in 
>the pudding.  Look at the projects whose conclusions are 
>leading the clones to scream for a lynching.  None of them were 
>ver aimed at such a goal., The competition for funds guarantees 
>that heresy will not be unerdtaken.
>      Not entirely by accident, the research tends to confirm 
>what the PhD priesthood wanted confirmed.  It used, for 
>example, to confirm that govenrment owndership made things 
>efficient.  That got too silly, and nobody gets paid to look up 
>records like that.
>
  
    I am replying to this to continue it, since the clones want 
to pretend this criticism of their Holy Mommy Professor didn't 
happen.



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tombrown@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu () wrote:
>I just saw this. What does Knut Hamsun have to do with this thread?
>
>
>-- 
>
>Pretentious? Moi?

\
Good question.  I've been thinking about asking it myself.  Do 
you have any idea who Knut was?




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tombrown@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu () wrote:
>I just saw this. What does Knut Hamsun have to do with this thread?
>
>
>-- 
>
>Pretentious? Moi?

\
Good question.  I've been thinking about asking it myself.  Do 
you have any idea who Knut was?




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tombrown@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu () wrote:
>I just saw this. What does Knut Hamsun have to do with this thread?
>
>
>-- 
>
>Pretentious? Moi?

\
Good question.  I've been thinking about asking it myself.  Do 
you have any idea who Knut was?




From bwhit@conterra.com Thu Jun 20 11:50:20 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
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Subject: Pro-Whites: Don't Get Suckered By Pseudo-Intellectuals
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    Al Capp was a self-described "New York liberal Jew" who 
created the comic strip *Lil Abner* to make fun of hillbillies. 
He made fun of all the rightest groups of his time, the Klan, 
the JBS.    But he got converted when he dared make fun of hte 
left.
    Capp said once he made fun of the left, he learned what 
true HATE was.   He got more and nastier hate mail and personal 
threates than he had gotten in all his history before.   A lot 
of it, he pointed out, was from professors, which back then 
shocked him.  Now we know.
     The first group Capp made fun of was some birds who 
represented Communist Party members.  He made fun of the 
gigantic words they used.   They didn't say a sentence without 
a jawbreaker in it.
     Communists always did that,f or an obvious reason.  When 
you are saying taht if government bureaucracy runs all the 
industry it will be efficient, and anyone who disagrees must be 
shot, and anyone who tries to escape should be shot, you can't 
justify such crap in plain English.   Please remember that back 
then, All of the clones much-worshipped Mommy Professors either 
agreed with the Reds completely, calling their philosophy 
inevitable, or at least insisted they had a real point there.
       When I debated with Reds, I always kep attention 
focussed on their Berlin Wall and the crap about bureaucracy 
being efficient. It drove 'em nuts!
       They would say I was being anti-intellectual.  They 
would quote all thebig intellectual names who were Communists, 
they would attack my use of words like "shoot" when they were 
yusing big words and big names and great tomes from the very 
heart of academic.
      Back in the Middle Ages, the scholastics used the same 
kind of crap to cvoer their nonsense, and Occam's Razor was 
developed to cut through it.  A corrolary of Occam's Law is: 
"Don't join them in the obscure stuff when the word 'horseshit' 
is perfectly descriptive."
       Why, Finsten asked, did she now admits was the pure 
horseshit that Franz Boas preached, that Neanderthal begat 
Modern Man 35,000 years ago who begat us all, get 
dsiscreditted?
     She say the fact that this horseshit got called horseshit 
must prove Mommy Professors are doing it right.  Not at all.   
In fact, you could still get "six million Jews" screamed at you 
and a Lambert could ruin your career all the way into the 
1970's!   The Finstens of the world were still saying that 
"modern anthropologists" had proven all the races equal.
      No, that crap was quashed from outside the academy, and 
Carlton Coon and Carlton Putnam were, in their very different 
realms, the leaers in crushing it.  This, I guess, is why 
Finsten is mixing the two up. I knew them both, and their 
careers did not cross.  Calton Putnam founded Delta Airlines 
and was a popualrizer.  Coon was a Harward and University of 
Pennsylvania and Smithsonian Insitute, etc., intellectuals, 
holy PhD and a Mommy Professor himself, thoughone who dedicated 
himself to Evil, of course.
      These folks tell us that "modern geneticists" are now 
doing what academia wants done.  Let me tell you, so are 
"modern historians", "modern chemists", modern English 
professors" and modern anybody who wants to keep his job,m 
especially if he ever expects a research grant.
      The clones, like tehir predecessors, are very upset with 
me for using mere English.   But when some clown says he is 
anti-racist but is oibviously anti-white, just say so.  The 
simple fact is that they say they're "solving the race problem' 
with massive immigration and massive integgration in white 
majority coutnries, n ot Asia or Africa.  Tehy are solving the 
WHITE problem.  Keep saying that.
       Like the Reds, the clones talk about Freedom and 
Democracy, but they fight with their establishment to prevent 
anyone from having anything all white.  Why" Be ause for all 
their crap about whites don't exist or everybody really wants 
their melting pot ononsense, thy don't believe any of that 
either.  They know the melting pot cannot compete, so it must 
be enforced everywhere.



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awaprez999@aol.com (AwaPrez999) wrote:
>
>
>
>    May I offer my pov??? We came here and CONQEUERD the indians...that in
>itself is what makes "us superior".....might is right,you see! : )


     Oneof the clones here keeps saying the Union won 1865 and 
the Allies won in 1945 and that makes him right, so you must 
have a point.



From bwhit@conterra.com Thu Jun 20 22:52:11 PDT 1996
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dsmith5818@gnn.com (Douglas Smith) wrote:
>
>In article  White Wolf wrote:
>>Date:	Wed, 19 Jun 1996 18:00:03 -0500
>>From:	anonymous@newamericans.com (White Wolf)
>>Newsgroups:
>>	
>alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.politics.usa.newt
>>-gingrich,alt.politics.usa.misc,alt.politics.usSubject:	Re: Knut Hamsun's
>> Body
>>
>>In article <4ppmpd$1dm@molokini.conterra.com>, bob whitaker
>> wrote:
>>
>>> jhavok@lava.net (James R. Olson, jr.) wrote:
>>> >Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote in a deceptively
>>> >mild tone:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >->I do advocate racial separatism; much as Jefferson, Lincoln, Monroe,
>> and 
>>> >->the vast majority of our founding fathers advocated it.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >The only way you are going to achieve racial seperatism is by law, the
>>> >only way you can enforce that law is by force.  Thus by claiming that
>>> >you want racial seperation, you are saying that it should be achieved
>>> >by the use of force.  Your mild tone is patently a lie. 
>>> >
>>> >By the way, I'm curious as to why you never addressed Hiro
>>> >Protagonist's earlier point about race being a flawed paradigm.  Most
>>> >anthropologists agree that race is an artificial construct, since it
>>> >can't be accurately delineated.
>>> >
>>> >       JimmyO
>>> >   
>>> >   Help to launch the future from
>>> >http://www.apollo-society.org/apollo
>>> >       The Apollo Launch Pad
>>> >
>>> 
>>> 
>>>      Any professor who didn't testify to that would lose his 
>>> job.  An intelligent person does not take his data from 
>>> totalitarian situations, but you clones certainly do.
>>>       Actually. if you whites the simple choice of living in a 
>>> country which, by immigration law, was limited to whites, you 
>>> would have to build a Berlin Wall around most countries to keep 
>>> most whites in.  All bullshit aside, almost everybody wants to 
>>> raise kids in an all-white environment, including non-whites.
>>>       This is why there was a Berlin Wall, and why you 
>>> anti-whties(aka, anti-racists) cannot afford to allow a single 
>>> white majority country to stay white.  Japan can have all the 
>>> barriers against immigration it wants, but you go to pieces if 
>>> a white country has them.  Socialism and the melting pot are 
>>> silly-ass ideas that sane people do not realy want.  You have 
>>> to cut off ALL choice and build a Berlin Wall or sponsor 
>>> low-cost housing and fair housing laws to block people into 
>>> these situations.
>>>       And please don't come up with the crap you clones always 
>>> bring up at this point(and which you will deny you were going 
>>> to say).  You were going to say that a wall to keep people out 
>>> on Texas' border is just like the Berlin Will.  In other words, 
>>> a prison wall is the same on both sides: for t hose it keeps in 
>>> and those it keeps out. No way.  It's the kind of comic strip 
>>> plausibility you people depend on.
>>>        You cannot allow a white country to exist, because in 
>>> the real world, nobody wants your melting pot.
>>
>>If I wanted to live around burned out buildings and streets of crime, I'd
>>move tonight to a black neighborhood.
>
>Hey, that's a good idea.  Then maybe you could see how many of your pure, 
>intelligent, crime-free "white" brethren travel to ghettos to buy and use 
>drugs, participate in prostitution, and generally contribute to the decline 
>of cities.


    BULLSHIT!   The first thing you and anybody else looks for 
to see if an area is safe is its skin color.

    What sanctimonious crap!
>
>Doug
>
>"Never in a scandal and I'm never caught schemin'
>  Knew Pu was dope ever since I was semen
>  Swimmin' in my daddy's big nuts
>  But now I'm scoopin' girls with the big ole butts"
>
>  - Grand Puba, "Step To The Rear"
>




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dsmith5818@gnn.com (Douglas Smith) wrote:
>
>In article  White Wolf wrote:
>>Date:	Wed, 19 Jun 1996 18:00:03 -0500
>>From:	anonymous@newamericans.com (White Wolf)
>>Newsgroups:
>>	
>alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.politics.usa.newt
>>-gingrich,alt.politics.usa.misc,alt.politics.usSubject:	Re: Knut Hamsun's
>> Body
>>
>>In article <4ppmpd$1dm@molokini.conterra.com>, bob whitaker
>> wrote:
>>
>>> jhavok@lava.net (James R. Olson, jr.) wrote:
>>> >Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote in a deceptively
>>> >mild tone:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >->I do advocate racial separatism; much as Jefferson, Lincoln, Monroe,
>> and 
>>> >->the vast majority of our founding fathers advocated it.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >The only way you are going to achieve racial seperatism is by law, the
>>> >only way you can enforce that law is by force.  Thus by claiming that
>>> >you want racial seperation, you are saying that it should be achieved
>>> >by the use of force.  Your mild tone is patently a lie. 
>>> >
>>> >By the way, I'm curious as to why you never addressed Hiro
>>> >Protagonist's earlier point about race being a flawed paradigm.  Most
>>> >anthropologists agree that race is an artificial construct, since it
>>> >can't be accurately delineated.
>>> >
>>> >       JimmyO
>>> >   
>>> >   Help to launch the future from
>>> >http://www.apollo-society.org/apollo
>>> >       The Apollo Launch Pad
>>> >
>>> 
>>> 
>>>      Any professor who didn't testify to that would lose his 
>>> job.  An intelligent person does not take his data from 
>>> totalitarian situations, but you clones certainly do.
>>>       Actually. if you whites the simple choice of living in a 
>>> country which, by immigration law, was limited to whites, you 
>>> would have to build a Berlin Wall around most countries to keep 
>>> most whites in.  All bullshit aside, almost everybody wants to 
>>> raise kids in an all-white environment, including non-whites.
>>>       This is why there was a Berlin Wall, and why you 
>>> anti-whties(aka, anti-racists) cannot afford to allow a single 
>>> white majority country to stay white.  Japan can have all the 
>>> barriers against immigration it wants, but you go to pieces if 
>>> a white country has them.  Socialism and the melting pot are 
>>> silly-ass ideas that sane people do not realy want.  You have 
>>> to cut off ALL choice and build a Berlin Wall or sponsor 
>>> low-cost housing and fair housing laws to block people into 
>>> these situations.
>>>       And please don't come up with the crap you clones always 
>>> bring up at this point(and which you will deny you were going 
>>> to say).  You were going to say that a wall to keep people out 
>>> on Texas' border is just like the Berlin Will.  In other words, 
>>> a prison wall is the same on both sides: for t hose it keeps in 
>>> and those it keeps out. No way.  It's the kind of comic strip 
>>> plausibility you people depend on.
>>>        You cannot allow a white country to exist, because in 
>>> the real world, nobody wants your melting pot.
>>
>>If I wanted to live around burned out buildings and streets of crime, I'd
>>move tonight to a black neighborhood.
>
>Hey, that's a good idea.  Then maybe you could see how many of your pure, 
>intelligent, crime-free "white" brethren travel to ghettos to buy and use 
>drugs, participate in prostitution, and generally contribute to the decline 
>of cities.


    BULLSHIT!   The first thing you and anybody else looks for 
to see if an area is safe is its skin color.

    What sanctimonious crap!
>
>Doug
>
>"Never in a scandal and I'm never caught schemin'
>  Knew Pu was dope ever since I was semen
>  Swimmin' in my daddy's big nuts
>  But now I'm scoopin' girls with the big ole butts"
>
>  - Grand Puba, "Step To The Rear"
>




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   Back in the fifties and sixties, as you libs have 
conveniently forgotten, an "intellectual debate" on economics 
had to be about which kindof government ownership of industry 
worked the best.   Now, for the moment that someone has forced 
your Mommy professors to talk about it, you are debating 
whether some people are smarter than others.  
    Really, that's what these clowns are arguing about, not 
just race, but whether it is to be allowed to say that some 
people are born smarter than others!   This, to this clown, is 
a serious, major debate!
    And please remember the sacrifices people had to make to 
get these clowns even to debate THIS!
    I remember debating Communists before audiences and they 
would talk about the Great Debates allowed at Moscow 
University.  They honestly were puzzled that we didn't think 
they had honest and open debate, just like t his clown.
     In the real world, government owned industry being 
efficient is just [plain silly. In the real world, nobody gets 
paid to debate whether some are born smarter than others.  We 
kjnow that.
      In thereal world, we don't debate if race is there or 
not.  It's there.
      You will have a web site as long as it's forced.  You are 
perfetly orthpodox, a believer in the PhD priesthood,a nd you 
honestly believe it has free discussion.   
      That's pitiful.

     So this rgn@peora.com (Richard Greenley) wrote:
>In article <4qagli$h8d@molokini.conterra.com>, bob whitaker
> wrote:
>
>>      Long before he coauthored *The Bell Curve*, Richard 
>> Herrnstein was a heretic at Harvard.   I mentioned him in my 
>> first book and sent him a copy.  He wrote back, sounding 
>> exactly like someone in enemy territory.   Herrnstein was 
>> Jewish,a nd he could have beena  Lambert-type good Jewish boy, 
>> but with a mind like his, it was out of the question.
>>       I watched and complained while Herrnstein and Hans 
>> Eysenck, whose Jewish family left Nazi Germany in 1936, were 
>> seriously called Nazis by people with Jewish names and people 
>> with names like Lambert and whatever Caesar's real name 
>> probably is, and the humor was not there becaues they were 
>> perfectly serious.
>>       But the screams for mysnchings emanating from the likes 
>> of Caesar and Lambert, and passively supported by the other 
>> clones, are the end of the process.  They are what happens 
>> after heretical research gets done.   We all read what happens 
>> when research turns out wrong,and comes yup with a conclusion 
>> the PhD priesthood does not want.   
>>       The fact is that research taht might lead to heretical 
>> conclusions is never purposely undertaken.  The competitiion 
>> for research money is fierce,a nd nobody, but noboy, goes intot 
>> aht competition to reach conclusions the Lambers and Caesars 
>> and theiur Thought Police would disapprove.  The proof is in 
>> the pudding.  Look at the projects whose conclusions are 
>> leading the clones to scream for a lynching.  None of them were 
>> ver aimed at such a goal., The competition for funds guarantees 
>> that heresy will not be unerdtaken.
>>       Not entirely by accident, the research tends to confirm 
>> what the PhD priesthood wanted confirmed.  It used, for 
>> example, to confirm that govenrment owndership made things 
>> efficient.  That got too silly, and nobody gets paid to look up 
>> records like that.
>
>For a discussion by 15 scholars on The Bell Curve as well as a picture of
>the Bell Curve from the book on the web try:
>
>The Bell Curve Illustrated with 15 Scholarly WebLinks...
>http://www.anet-stl.com/~civil/bellcurveillustration1.html
>
>whitaker, as usual, is his own insightful self.
>
>-- 
>Richard Greenley
>"Posting is a muny splanderd thaing"
rgn@peora.com (Richard Greenley) wrote:
>In article <4qagli$h8d@molokini.conterra.com>, bob whitaker
> wrote:
>
>>      Long before he coauthored *The Bell Curve*, Richard 
>> Herrnstein was a heretic at Harvard.   I mentioned him in my 
>> first book and sent him a copy.  He wrote back, sounding 
>> exactly like someone in enemy territory.   Herrnstein was 
>> Jewish,a nd he could have beena  Lambert-type good Jewish boy, 
>> but with a mind like his, it was out of the question.
>>       I watched and complained while Herrnstein and Hans 
>> Eysenck, whose Jewish family left Nazi Germany in 1936, were 
>> seriously called Nazis by people with Jewish names and people 
>> with names like Lambert and whatever Caesar's real name 
>> probably is, and the humor was not there becaues they were 
>> perfectly serious.
>>       But the screams for mysnchings emanating from the likes 
>> of Caesar and Lambert, and passively supported by the other 
>> clones, are the end of the process.  They are what happens 
>> after heretical research gets done.   We all read what happens 
>> when research turns out wrong,and comes yup with a conclusion 
>> the PhD priesthood does not want.   
>>       The fact is that research taht might lead to heretical 
>> conclusions is never purposely undertaken.  The competitiion 
>> for research money is fierce,a nd nobody, but noboy, goes intot 
>> aht competition to reach conclusions the Lambers and Caesars 
>> and theiur Thought Police would disapprove.  The proof is in 
>> the pudding.  Look at the projects whose conclusions are 
>> leading the clones to scream for a lynching.  None of them were 
>> ver aimed at such a goal., The competition for funds guarantees 
>> that heresy will not be unerdtaken.
>>       Not entirely by accident, the research tends to confirm 
>> what the PhD priesthood wanted confirmed.  It used, for 
>> example, to confirm that govenrment owndership made things 
>> efficient.  That got too silly, and nobody gets paid to look up 
>> records like that.
>
>For a discussion by 15 scholars on The Bell Curve as well as a picture of
>the Bell Curve from the book on the web try:
>
>The Bell Curve Illustrated with 15 Scholarly WebLinks...
>http://www.anet-stl.com/~civil/bellcurveillustration1.html
>
>whitaker, as usual, is his own insightful self.
>
>-- 
>Richard Greenley
>"Posting is a muny splanderd thaing"
rgn@peora.com (Richard Greenley) wrote:
>In article <4qagli$h8d@molokini.conterra.com>, bob whitaker
> wrote:
>
>>      Long before he coauthored *The Bell Curve*, Richard 
>> Herrnstein was a heretic at Harvard.   I mentioned him in my 
>> first book and sent him a copy.  He wrote back, sounding 
>> exactly like someone in enemy territory.   Herrnstein was 
>> Jewish,a nd he could have beena  Lambert-type good Jewish boy, 
>> but with a mind like his, it was out of the question.
>>       I watched and complained while Herrnstein and Hans 
>> Eysenck, whose Jewish family left Nazi Germany in 1936, were 
>> seriously called Nazis by people with Jewish names and people 
>> with names like Lambert and whatever Caesar's real name 
>> probably is, and the humor was not there becaues they were 
>> perfectly serious.
>>       But the screams for mysnchings emanating from the likes 
>> of Caesar and Lambert, and passively supported by the other 
>> clones, are the end of the process.  They are what happens 
>> after heretical research gets done.   We all read what happens 
>> when research turns out wrong,and comes yup with a conclusion 
>> the PhD priesthood does not want.   
>>       The fact is that research taht might lead to heretical 
>> conclusions is never purposely undertaken.  The competitiion 
>> for research money is fierce,a nd nobody, but noboy, goes intot 
>> aht competition to reach conclusions the Lambers and Caesars 
>> and theiur Thought Police would disapprove.  The proof is in 
>> the pudding.  Look at the projects whose conclusions are 
>> leading the clones to scream for a lynching.  None of them were 
>> ver aimed at such a goal., The competition for funds guarantees 
>> that heresy will not be unerdtaken.
>>       Not entirely by accident, the research tends to confirm 
>> what the PhD priesthood wanted confirmed.  It used, for 
>> example, to confirm that govenrment owndership made things 
>> efficient.  That got too silly, and nobody gets paid to look up 
>> records like that.
>
>For a discussion by 15 scholars on The Bell Curve as well as a picture of
>the Bell Curve from the book on the web try:
>
>The Bell Curve Illustrated with 15 Scholarly WebLinks...
>http://www.anet-stl.com/~civil/bellcurveillustration1.html
>
>whitaker, as usual, is his own insightful self.
>
>-- 
>Richard Greenley
>"Posting is a muny splanderd thaing"
rgn@peora.com (Richard Greenley) wrote:
>In article <4qagli$h8d@molokini.conterra.com>, bob whitaker
> wrote:
>
>>      Long before he coauthored *The Bell Curve*, Richard 
>> Herrnstein was a heretic at Harvard.   I mentioned him in my 
>> first book and sent him a copy.  He wrote back, sounding 
>> exactly like someone in enemy territory.   Herrnstein was 
>> Jewish,a nd he could have beena  Lambert-type good Jewish boy, 
>> but with a mind like his, it was out of the question.
>>       I watched and complained while Herrnstein and Hans 
>> Eysenck, whose Jewish family left Nazi Germany in 1936, were 
>> seriously called Nazis by people with Jewish names and people 
>> with names like Lambert and whatever Caesar's real name 
>> probably is, and the humor was not there becaues they were 
>> perfectly serious.
>>       But the screams for mysnchings emanating from the likes 
>> of Caesar and Lambert, and passively supported by the other 
>> clones, are the end of the process.  They are what happens 
>> after heretical research gets done.   We all read what happens 
>> when research turns out wrong,and comes yup with a conclusion 
>> the PhD priesthood does not want.   
>>       The fact is that research taht might lead to heretical 
>> conclusions is never purposely undertaken.  The competitiion 
>> for research money is fierce,a nd nobody, but noboy, goes intot 
>> aht competition to reach conclusions the Lambers and Caesars 
>> and theiur Thought Police would disapprove.  The proof is in 
>> the pudding.  Look at the projects whose conclusions are 
>> leading the clones to scream for a lynching.  None of them were 
>> ver aimed at such a goal., The competition for funds guarantees 
>> that heresy will not be unerdtaken.
>>       Not entirely by accident, the research tends to confirm 
>> what the PhD priesthood wanted confirmed.  It used, for 
>> example, to confirm that govenrment owndership made things 
>> efficient.  That got too silly, and nobody gets paid to look up 
>> records like that.
>
>For a discussion by 15 scholars on The Bell Curve as well as a picture of
>the Bell Curve from the book on the web try:
>
>The Bell Curve Illustrated with 15 Scholarly WebLinks...
>http://www.anet-stl.com/~civil/bellcurveillustration1.html
>
>whitaker, as usual, is his own insightful self.
>
>-- 
>Richard Greenley
>"Posting is a muny splanderd thaing"




From bwhit@conterra.com Sat Jun 22 10:46:47 PDT 1996
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I'm glad Kowalewski and Fenstin and the rst have given up the 
prestense of not being clones.   Kowalensky, like most libs, 
was giving me some kind of stuff about  how she was not one of 
the standard ones, as was Finsten.  Now I see Kowalewski is 
going the straight tired old hippy route with some song about 
all mankind or something she's quoting there, and Feinsten says 
"We" wihtout the old bullshit.
I've been here, done this, and you are just part of an old and 
long paradeof mindless clones I've seen go by.
    If you read stuff from the 60's, their idea of a 
stimulating intellectual exercise was a debate about howmany 
bureaucrats it took to make industry efficient. Lib memory has 
locked about those things.
   Now Fenstin tells me how brave they are to debate *The Bell 
Cureve* and whether some people are born smarter thanotehrs.  
Hell, when forced some of her Mommy Professsors will even 
debate whether ther is such a thing as race or not.
    Meanwhile, the rest of us are here on Planet Earth, and we 
don't get paid to take that kind of theocratic nonsense 
seriously. 



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   Once again, bullshit.   Even Jesse Jackson saisd he was 
relieved when he heard footsteps behind him and found it was a 
white person.  Black is dangerous.   You can define crap 
tillyou're blue in the face, but I'm not walking in y9our black 
area, and damn few blacks would if they could help it.   
   Black people don't want to live among blacks. That's what 
integration is all about.



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harvey callum seymour smith  wrote:
>On Thu, 13 Jun 1996, misha wrote:
>
>> harvey callum seymour smith  wrote:
>> 
>> >Dear all!
>> >	Several interesting notes:
>> >	First, since when did England become a separate nation again?
>> >	I though we were living in the UNITED KINGDOM?
>> >	Second, as world travel becomes cheaper, more and more people
>> >	will be mixing in each and every nation.  So get use to the
>> >	varity of life.
>> >	Third, Europe is not really much more than apendage on the Asian
>> >	land mass, so were are all really part of the same land and life.
>> >	Forth, in this globally minded business world, there is no place
>> >	for racial or cultural hate.  Business simply does not care about
>> >	the colour, or culture of the partners and customers...
>> 
>> >	Enjoy!
>> 
>> 
>> >	"I have a dream" MLK
>> 
>> 
>> Harvey!
>> Do you think these idiots can understand what you just said?
>> Listen, guy, you gotta realize these cybernazis are dumber than a
>> doornail. You would do better trying to explain something to a board.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Misha
>> 
>> 
>> 
>Oh!  Sorry, keep forgetting how people are.  Perhaps if they think a bit 
>more, rather than looking at the computer????


     You [ poor little morons seem to think the rest of us 
haven't been exposed to the same mommy professors and magazines 
you have.   That's just as far as you got, we grew out of it.
      I think it's cute that someone thinks he just discovered 
that England wasn't the whole United Kingdom.  The rest of us 
knew that many, many years go.  Now grow out of calling all 
Ameicans "Yanks", but you never will.
     "There is nothing dumber than a dumb man who thinks he's 
smart". said Oliver Hardy,a dn you little clowns are a perfect 
example of that.



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     Good job!
     This calls for a reply and I am preparing it.

clambert@cris.com (Craig Lambert) wrote:
>On 17 Jun 1996 13:47:48 GMT, bob whitaker  wrote:
>
>>clambert@cris.com (Craig Lambert) wrote:
>>>On Fri, 07 Jun 1996 03:19:26 -0700, Kevin Alfred Strom
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Craig Lambert wrote:
>>
>>     The bottom line is that the Communists used Hate Laws just 
>>as they used anti-semitism.  There is no protection in using a 
>>single idology as the only true faith.  No leftist is safe per 
>>se from promooting racial hatred, no rightist is safe per se 
>>from promoting Communism.
>
>At last we have a reasonable basis for discussion.   As a matter of fact,
>laws against 'Hate Speech', which is to say hateful speech against truth,
>which is to say hate speech against God or God's truth as God or God's
>truth were understood by the legislators, has been an innate feature of
>Judaeo-Chrisitan civilization for thousands of years.  Marxist-Leninism is
>firmly in this tradition, as an idealistic body of 'truth' as revealed by
>the supposed prophets and scripturalists of 'scientific socialism'.  Here
>is a discussion of what was, for the time, a remarkable act of toleration
>and a foundation of our own Bill of Rights, the Maryland Act of Toleration
>of 1642.
>
>     "Maryland, in 1649, adopted "An Act Concerning Religion," an
>  extraordinary code on the subject.  It contained a clause guaranteeing
>  that anyone who professed a belief in Jesus Christ should not be troubled
>  because of his religion or "the free exercise thereof."  That was the
>  first use of the phrase that eventually became part of the First
>  Amendment.  The same act criminalized religious name-calling; to describe
>  anyone as a heretic, schismatic, idolater, Puritan, independent,
>  Presbyterian, papist, Jesuit, Lutheran, antinomian, Separatist, or any
>  other name in a reproachful manner would result in a fine or a whipping. 
>  Profaning the Lord’s Day was also a crime.  But the only religious crime
>  punishable by death was blasphemy.  A Maryland act against felonies
>  adopted in 1639 had properly defined blasphemy as "acursing or wicked
>  speaking of God," and provided execution by burning.  The act of 1649,
>  however, extended the capital crime to denial of Christ as Son of God,
>  denial of the Trinity, or denial of any person of the Trinity.  A lesser
>  offense of blasphemy, punishable by fines and severe whipping, consisted
>  of reproaching the Virgin Mary or Christ’s apostles; repetition of the
>  offense resulted in banishment.
>    This statue of 1649 is usually known as the Maryland Act of Toleration.
>
>  It did not extend toleration to Jews or anti-Trinitarians of any sort,
>  but for its time it was remarkably comprehensive.  Nowhere else in
>  America did the law protect Catholics and Protestants of every
>  Trinitarian sect'; nowhere else did they live together in comparative
>  peace if not amity.  Cecil Calvert, the shrewd and tolerant Catholic
>  proprietor of Maryland, understood that the protection of Roman
>  Catholics, who would necessarily become a minority, depended on a
>  comprehensive declaration."
>
>Blasphemy, Verbal Offense against the Sacred, from Moses to Salman Rushdie,
>Leonard W. Levy, The University of North Carolina Press, 1993  pp. 252-3
>
>
>
>>    Your reaction to my mentioning this law was to say 1) I was 
>>wrong
>
>What you specifically said, that Solzhenitysn's novel the First Circle
>contained evidence of a Soviet Law with the death penalty for anti-semitism
>WAS WRONG!  You said it was oh so significant that this 'law' was never
>mentioned, and I said why should it have been IF IT WAS NOT TRUE?  And
>frankly, whereas it is plain from evidence that I have presented that for a
>period after the Revolution, up to about 1930, anti-semetism was punishable
>by exclusion from the party and by legal sanctions including imprisonment
>for up to 10 years against counter-revolutionary activity or propaganda,
>there is no CREDIBLE evidence anti-Semetic expression was ever a death
>penalty offense.  Further, the Soviet Union had law after law against all
>manner of things that were never enforced: Soviet Law and the Soviet
>Constitution were dead letters.
>
>>,a nd 2) I was evil for mentioning it.
>
>I said that making a big deal about a law which HAS NEVER BEEN SHOWN TO
>HAVE EXISTED, and making a big deal about ANY LAW in a regime based on
>illegality and arbitrary use of force was absurd.  I also have shown, and
>you have had little reaction, that OFFICIAL ANTI-SEMETISM WAS STATE POLICY
>of the USSR since about 1930, as demonstrated by numerous actions.
>
>Frankly, the lesson we might draw from this is that whereas leftists might
>try to put laws against anti-semitism in place, eventually they will begin
>to persecute Jews themselves.  That is the evidence that the course of
>events in the Soviet Union actually provides.
>
>>  I wish you had the 
>>grace to simply say taht, in that case, you were simply wrong, 
>>and to disown your clone who said I wwas a Nazi for mentioning 
>>this law.
>
>Demonstrating grace in the face of your evasions, misrepresentations, lies,
>distortions and blatant and obvious attempts to evade admitting you grossly
>mis-spoke and could not back your rhetorical flights with evidence, and
>your freely expressed attitude that the actually facts don't matter, that
>you 'know' the truth and are entitled to have your word for it accepted
>without comment, is frankly beyond my capacity to show grace.  I have not
>earned any discredit for pinning down your maneuvers, evasions and lies.
>
>And although you don't name him, I assume you are speaking of the Illya
>Attria (sp) character, and I assure you that if you read what he said
>carefully, he did not accuse you of being a nazi, as I have pointed out
>here several times already.  Again, matters of fact and evidence are not to
>be accepted as challenges to your views.  So be it.
>
>>     My point is that Hate Laws were used for oppression by the 
>>left long before Hitler.
>>
>And by the right, and by religions, and by movements of all types.  The
>folk wisdom that 'sticks and stones may break my bones, but names can never
>hurt me' is only partly true: if being called a Lutheran gets you jailed,
>if being accused of being a witch gets you burned, if being called a Jew
>gets your house burned, then mere names have power.
>
>If you would like to pursue this, I assure you I can demonstrate that hate
>laws have a long and notorious history in this country, and in our
>civilization, and have been used to oppress and murder and stifle speech
>and ideas from long before Karl Marx ever set pen to paper.
>
>I have stated I do not support hate speech laws,  no one who thoughtfully
>studies history, from the left, center or right, should favor such laws.
>They may seem 'right' and 'just' in some particular cases which seem of
>legitimate concern, but such laws can turn and bite anyone on the ass.
>Some of the racialists posting here have as much as said they support free
>speech by whites which is in the interests of the white race.  Whoopie.
>Such is the meaning of the distinction between being "White" (a racially
>pure supporter of Whiteishnessdom) and 'white' (a superficially pale race
>traitor or person of mixed or not truly 'White' racial background).
>Needless to way, free speech is a right of Whites, and not of whites, in
>the more extreme versions of a White state.  You, Mr. Whitaker, could have
>the grace to denounce the more extreme expressions of this view by the
>unabashed fascists on this board.
>
>>
>>
>>
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sun, 02 Jun 1996 05:32:52 -0700, Kevin Alfred Strom
>>>>>  wrote:...
>>>>> >
>>>>> >I have provided several references showing both Jewish and non-Jewish
>>>>> >Communists and Soviets stating that "anti-Semitism" was a crime in the
>>>>> >Soviet Union (or ought to be one in the United States). Stalin said that
>>>>> >"active anti-Semites" in the Soviet Union were being punished with death.
>>>>> >
>>>>> And I have shown that Joseph Stalin was himself an active anti-Semite who
>>>>> had motives, such as political expediency and scoring diplomatic and
>>>>> propaganda points, to lie about such a death penalty.  In 1938, at the time
>>>>> the remark you cited was made, Germany was on the move in Europe and many
>>>>> in Europe were courting alliances with Stalin against Germany.  Of course,
>>>>> we know which way this honest man jumped: he opted to ally with Germany and
>>>>> betray every shredded ideal his party still feebly upheld.
>>>>> 
>>>>> >Now, I agree that law in most countries is what the elite says it is, and
>>>>> >that was especially so in the Soviet Union. And I agree that Stalin
>>>>> >killed anyone who got in his way, including not a few Jews.
>>>>> >
>>>>> He did not just kill people who happened to be Jewish, for other reasons,
>>>>> he systematically killed people BECAUSE they were Jewish.  One is a killer,
>>>>> the other is a killer who is also an anti-Semite.
>>>>> 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I believe that Stalin arranged for the death of anyone who got in his 
>>>>way, or was a real or perceived threat to his personal power. 
>>>>With a bureaucracy very heavily Jewish, it was inevitable that 
>>>>many of these would be Jews; and it was inevitable that Stalin 
>>>>might suspect some, even many Jews of having more loyalty to their own 
>>>>people than to Marxism or to the cult of Joe Dzugahsvili. But -- millions 
>>>>of Jews continued to be a part of the Soviet system under Stalin, 
>>>>some in influential positions, something that certainly can't be said 
>>>>about WWII Germany.
>>>>
>>>I have presented extensive evidence that Jews in the Soviet Union were
>>>persecuted FOR BEING JEWS especially after WWII, and that Jews were
>>>systematically excluded from political and intellectual positions FOR BEING
>>>JEWS.   Really, you should be admiring Joe Stalin's 'race-conciousness' Mr.
>>>Strom, not attempting to disown it.   Marx thought Jewish religious
>>>practice and the social consciousness of most Jews was destructive of
>>>humane values: I have shown that.  The Communist Party in Russian
>>>implemented this by systematically stifling Jewish religious practices:
>>>Jewish religion got no special favors in the Soviet Union despite the
>>>supposed 'Jewish' cast of the CPSU.  Although Lenin was something of a
>>>transnationalist, many in the Russian Communist Party were not, and the
>>>ascent of Joe Stalin to power put Great Russian national chauvinism firmly
>>>in power.  The regimes ruling Russia have a long history of using Jews as
>>>scapegoats and the Soviet Union after 1930 and especially after 1948
>>>returned explicitly to that policy.
>>>
>>>>I am glad to see, though, that despite our disagreements, we concur on 
>>>>the powerful Jewish influence on and participation in the Bolshevik 
>>>>Revolution, and the criminalization of "anti-Semitism" there.
>>>>
>>>Your astonishing oversimplification and distortion of my points clearly
>>>reveals that you have no interest in truth, but only in polemical
>>>advantage.  I wonder what has happened to your own claim that anti-semitism
>>>was punishable by death, on the good word and authority of Joe Stalin?
>>>
>>>I have shown that Jews were persecuted for being Jews under the Tsars.
>>>That such people would seek to overturn the government that killed them,
>>>burned their homes, villages and synagogues, set lose mobs upon them,
>>>denied them political voice or advancement, and barred them from
>>>educational and occupational advancement is not at all strange: it is
>>>admirable.  Jews who chose to become Mensheviks or SR's or other varieties
>>>of revolutionaries were not spared from Bolshevik suppression because of
>>>their Jewishness after the Bolsheviks took power. Jewish religion was
>>>suppressed along with other religions by the Soviets: the single and
>>>solitary bright light for the Jews as a group under the Soviets was for the
>>>first time, for about a decade, being Jewish was no longer a handicap in
>>>Russia.  Being a practicing Jew was made more and more difficult, but just
>>>having a Jewish heritage was no longer a severe disability.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> >But the repeated pronouncements of leading Communists as to their
>>>>> >position on this issue, coupled with the Jewish preponderance in the
>>>>> >founding of the Bolshevik state, lead me to believe that fervent if not
>>>>> >violent opposition to "anti-Semitism" was in fact one of the founding
>>>>> >principles of Soviet Communism. And my reading in the field also leads me
>>>>> >to believe that the inheritors of the Marxist mantle in the West today,
>>>>> >in almost all of their factions and sects, would continue to adhere to
>>>>> >that position.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >I have provided ample documentation of my thesis. If, after this
>>>>> >clarification, you still disagree with my thesis, then please provide
>>>>> >some evidence.
>>>>> >
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have done so elsewhere, in a series of new threads.  I believe the
>>>>> evidence shows that anti-semetism was, to many of the early communists, a
>>>>> distasteful reminder of the Tsarist state they overthrew.  They acted to
>>>>> curb displays of anti-semitism up through 1930s, although I find no
>>>>> evidence there was ever a law punishing anti-semitism with death, as
>>>>> initially claimed.  And note that whereas the suppression of Jewish
>>>>> religious observance was nearly complete, suppression of anti-semitism
>>>>> failed: anti-semitism eventually became official policy once again.
>>>>> 
>>>>
>>>>You failed to address one point, though. Is it not a fact that (almost?) 
>>>>all modern Marxist sects continue to at least demonize where they would 
>>>>not actually criminalize "anti-Semitism"?
>>>>
>>>Inasmuch as I have provided copious evidence that the most powerful and
>>>influential Communist party of all, the CPSU, practiced anti-Semitism for
>>>approximately 60 out of its 70 years in power, what is your point?  Are you
>>>again claiming that we should believe what Joe Stalin said, and not look at
>>>what he did?
>>>
>>>Are the Asian communist parties anti-anti-semitic?  Are the Communist
>>>parties of the Arab and Muslim world?  Where do you derive this so-called
>>>fact that the world's Marxist's oppose anti-semitism?  Did you even read
>>>the terrible things that Marx said about Jews that I posted here recently?
>>>
>>>I find it most strange, Mr. Strom, that in this one area you give high
>>>credit to Communists for their veracity.  If I told you that "(almost?) all
>>>modern Marxist sects" support the values of democracy, freedom of speech
>>>and human rights, which they do, would you take that support on its face
>>>value, or would you insist that Communist practice in these matters
>>>demonstrates their true values and purposes?
>>>
>>>
>>>>With all good wishes,
>>>>
>>>When you stop systematically distorting my arguments, I'll buy this as a
>>>tagline
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>--
>>>Craig Lambert
>>>White Supremacists, Neo-Nazis, Klannies, Aryans, Racist Skins et al:
>>>1865: you lost
>>>1945: you lost
>>>1996: still losers
>>
>>
>
>Craig Lambert
>"I don't know who my grandfather was, I am much more
>concerned to know what his grandson will be."
>Abraham Lincoln





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