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From: joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg)
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In article  codfish@netcom.com (Ross Vicksell) writes:
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>Yale F. Edeiken (yawen.enter.net) wrote:
>: >   greg.ihr@kaiwan.com (Greg Raven) writes:
>: >  A Few Facts About the INSTITUTE FOR HISTORICAL REVIEW
>: >>>>

>:       There are a few facts that you seem to have omitted.  The IHR is 
>: and has always been a front 
>: group for the political ideas of Willis Carto, a well-known anti-semite.
>: ...

>You're a little behind the times.  Carto and the IHR are fighting each 
>other in the courts now.

Because the IHR revisionazis rejected his ideas?  Nah -- they're fighting over 
the money.

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From codfish@netcom.com Wed Aug  2 23:03:13 PDT 1995
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From: codfish@netcom.com (Ross Vicksell)
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Yale F. Edeiken (yawen@enter.net) wrote:
:       My original point was one of truth in packaging and in response to
: a poster who pointed out the 
: IHR as a source for the truth.  
: The IHR began as an organization of anti-semites with a fancy title and 
: an organizational history 
: which deliberately concealed its roots, philosophy, and basic purpose.  

What anti-semites?  David McCalden, the originator of the IHR, was, for 
example, no anti-semite.


: That : has not changed 
: even if Carto and his former henchmen are now at each other's throats.





:      ---YFE


From codfish@netcom.com Wed Aug  2 23:03:16 PDT 1995
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From: codfish@netcom.com (Ross Vicksell)
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Joel Rosenberg (joelr@winternet.com) wrote:
: In article  codfish@netcom.com (Ross Vicksell) writes:
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: >Yale F. Edeiken (yawen.enter.net) wrote:
: >: >   greg.ihr@kaiwan.com (Greg Raven) writes:
: >: >  A Few Facts About the INSTITUTE FOR HISTORICAL REVIEW
: >: >>>>

: >:       There are a few facts that you seem to have omitted.  The IHR is 
: >: and has always been a front 
: >: group for the political ideas of Willis Carto, a well-known anti-semite.
: >: ...

: >You're a little behind the times.  Carto and the IHR are fighting each 
: >other in the courts now.

: Because the IHR revisionazis rejected his ideas?  Nah -- they're fighting over 
: the money.

According to the people at the IHR, they arrived at their parting of the 
ways because Carto wanted to deemphasize Holocaust revisionism in the IHR 
Journal, an idea which the IHR people did not go along with at all.

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From yawen@enter.net Thu Aug  3 05:29:53 PDT 1995
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>   codfish@netcom.com (Ross Vicksell) writes:
>
>  What anti-semites?  David McCalden, the originator of the IHR, was, for 
>  example, no anti-semite.
>>>>
According to four judges who looked at the evidence in the light most favorable
to the IHR and giving them the benefit of the doubt, the IHR was founded by Willis
Carto, a notorious anti-semite, as part of his anti-semitic network of organizations.  They
also found that there was an element of deception in the manner in which the network
was organized.

Apparently you are intent on continuing the deception.

    --YFE


From overman@math.ohio-state.edu Thu Aug  3 23:01:25 PDT 1995
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From: overman@math.ohio-state.edu (Ed Overman)
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In article ,
Ross Vicksell  wrote:
>Yale F. Edeiken (yawen@enter.net) wrote:
>:       My original point was one of truth in packaging and in response to
>: a poster who pointed out the 
>: IHR as a source for the truth.  
>: The IHR began as an organization of anti-semites with a fancy title and 
>: an organizational history 
>: which deliberately concealed its roots, philosophy, and basic purpose.  
>
>What anti-semites?  David McCalden, the originator of the IHR, was, for 
>example, no anti-semite.
>

Wrong as usual, Ross.  David McCalden was NOT the founder of the IHR and he
WAS an anti-semite.  He was also a very confused person.  For one thing, he
couldn't seem to remember who he was.  He used the alias Lewis Brandon when
he was running the IHR (possibly to hide the fact that under his real name
we has a noted anti-semite in Britain):
  The institute director said Brandon is his pen name.  He would not
  confirm nor deny that his real name, the one used in court papers served
  on him in the lawsuit [by Mel Mermelstein] is David McCalden.  He declined
  to be photographed, because, he said, "I am not very good looking" and
  because of concern about threats toward him and his organization.
Also, he admitted that Carto was the actual founder of the IHR:
  The founder of the institute is Willis Carto, treasurer of the Liberty
  Lobby, but Brandon says the institute has no ties with the Liberty Lobby.
  (Washington Post, 4/11/81, p. A6)

McCalden was a member of the neo-Nazi National Front in Britain.  It was
founded by A. K. Chesterton who said:
  We are fighting a clever and immensely powerful enemy, and while we cannot
  match his resources we can and must try to match his brains.  The man who
  thinks that this is a war that can be won by mouthing slogans about "dirty
  Jews" and "filthy niggers" is a maniac whose place should not be in the
  National Front but in a mental hospital ... We have to oppose evils with all
  our might, but if in the act of doing so we label ourselves "Jew-haters" or
  "nigger-haters" we should lose the battle for survival in which we are
  engaged.

Its third chairman (1972-?) John Tyndall had been a member of a paramilitary
nazi organization closely modelled on the SA and the SS in his younger days:
    This was intended to be the special elite and militaristic core of the
  British National Party [which evolved into the National Front], of which
  Tyndall was a member.  Spearhead men had their own special uniform of grey
  shirt, black tie, armband, black belt, black trousers and boots.  They had
  their own special newspaper "Greyshirt", which was intended to be
  restricted to these special Spearhead-men.  This talked of Spearhead being
  a "fanatical core of hardened men, trained and disciplined in the
  struggle" they were a "militant elite" and saluted with the battle-cry of 
  "VICTORY HAIL - SIEG HEIL". 
    Tyndall along with three others was arraigned to prison for his part in
  the Spearhead paramilitary activities.  The courts were told of the training
  exercises, mock battles and real explosives of the Spearhead "elite".  The
  police in a raid on party headquarters had found a can of rat-poison,
  labelled "Jew-killer".
  (Fascists: A Social Psychological View of the National Front, by Michael Billig) 

In 1976 McCalden and a number of other leaders of the National Front broke
off and founded the National Party, which was designed to play down their
neo-Nazi background.  He was elected to the Directorate of the National
Party.  In their statement of principles it says:
  The British people must preserve their distinct racial character by
  preventing all further immigration by people of non-British stock and by
  organizing the humane repatriation or resettlement abroad of all coloured
  and other racially incompatible immigrants, their dependants and
  descendants.
By the way, this included Italians!  (I guess they're not "white" enough.)

So, Ross, I think that Edeiken's statement that "the IHR began as an
organization of anti-semites" is quite accurate.  The first director of the
IHR was certainly an anti-semite.  Even more, the man who actually founded
the IHR, Willis Carto, has been one of the leading anti-semites and neo-Nazis
in this country since the 1950's.


From jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca Fri Aug  4 02:46:35 PDT 1995
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From: jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris)
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codfish@netcom.com (Ross Vicksell) wrote:

>Joel Rosenberg (joelr@winternet.com) wrote:
>
>: >Yale F. Edeiken (yawen.enter.net) wrote:
>: >: >   greg.ihr@kaiwan.com (Greg Raven) writes:
>: >: >  A Few Facts About the INSTITUTE FOR HISTORICAL REVIEW
>: >: >>>>

>: >:       There are a few facts that you seem to have omitted.  The IHR is 
>: >: and has always been a front 
>: >: group for the political ideas of Willis Carto, a well-known anti-semite.
>: >: ...

>: >You're a little behind the times.  Carto and the IHR are fighting each 
>: >other in the courts now.

>: Because the IHR revisionazis rejected his ideas?  Nah -- they're fighting over 
>: the money.

>According to the people at the IHR, they arrived at their parting of the 
>ways because Carto wanted to deemphasize Holocaust revisionism in the IHR 
>Journal, an idea which the IHR people did not go along with at all.

Carto wanted to shift the emphasis of the IHR away from Holocaust
denial towards a more openly racist stance. It was more a question of
what kind of pig to be, not whether to stop being pigs.


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From kmcvay@nanaimo.island.net Sat Aug  5 04:40:57 PDT 1995
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In article ,
Ross Vicksell  wrote:

>What anti-semites?  David McCalden, the originator of the IHR, was, for 
>example, no anti-semite.

McCalden published "Exiles from History," a 40-page tract which claimed that
antisemitism is caused by Jewish self-hatred, he denied the Holocaust,
placed his signature on the infamous "50,000-dollar offer," attempted
to establish a "Garden of Rememberance" for anti-Zionist Jews, sent
inflamatory, anti-Jewish letters addressed to the Black and Ukrainian
communitites ("Blacks Against Zionist rip-offs" etc), supported The Order,
and referred to Zundel's legal battle as "Trial by Jewry."

Interesting background for someone Mr. Vicksell claims was not antisemitic.


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