From vange@mail.cdmnet.com Wed Jan  1 14:01:46 PST 1997
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zundel-repost@alpha.c2.org (E. Zundel Repost) wrote:
>The following propaganda is reposted to public forums by an automated
>script in the interest of public oversight. As a general rule, it is not
>safe to assume that anything following the BEGIN ZUNDELGRAM MESSAGE
>delimiter is true. Said material is Copyright 1996 Ingrid Rimland, posted
>by permission (see ZGram 961208). These four header paragraphs are not.
>
>I firmly believe that since it is not only unwise but impossible to censor
>such material, the best response is to facilitate the public exposure and
>refutation of same in appropriate forums, and to educate children to think
>critically about racialist propaganda and disinformation such as the
>below. If you have a different view, please post publicly or email me,
>rcgraves@ix.netcom.com.

     You can can the latest facts on the struggle for free speech on the 
inter-net from the newsletter of the Canadian Free Speech League, P.O. 
Box 40143,Victoria, B.C. V8W 3N3, Western Canada. This is their latest on 
Zundel:
    "The latest attack on Ernst Zundel is through the politically 
appointed Canadian Human Rights Tribunal. There Sabina Citron and the 
Toronto Mayors' Commiittee on Race Relations, trying to shut down the 
Zundelsite in California, operated by Ingrid Rimland. This fight will 
definately continue in 1997, probably making its way to Federal Court and 
beyond, as it a very important first case involving the censorship of the 
Internet, between countries' jurisdictions."
    "The trend toward using Human Rights Tribunals has continued to grow, 
whereby special interest groups can pursue an individual to tribunals 
presided over by politically appointed judges, where politically correct 
decisions can be imposed. Thereby the process of the jury trial and the 
criminal justice system is avoided, thus sidestepping the stricter 
requirements for due process and fundamental justice."



From vange@mail.cdmnet.com Wed Jan  1 16:38:42 PST 1997
Article: 90436 of alt.revisionism
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kate@accessone.com (Kathleen Mulhern) wrote:
>My question remains:
>If the Jews control the media (and, according to some, just about
>everything else), why is Christmas all hyped up and almost nothing but a
>passing reference made to Chanukah?  True, Chanukah isn't the most
>important Jewish holiday, but if you think about it, neither is Christmas

   For one thing most department stores are owned by the Jews and they 
are the ones who profit from Christmas. Secondly the media and other 
rulers of America are promoting "seasons greeetings" and "happy holidays" 
rather than Christmas. The colored light bulbs represent Christmas, while 
the plain white lights are Jewish or "seasons greetings". We are seeing 
more and more of the white lights than the colored. The white Jewish 
lights are especially noticable on banks. Thirdly Christmas in America is 
mostly about Santa Claus and has little to do with opposing the constant 
warfare the Jewish media wages against White Christian civilization. 



From vange@mail.cdmnet.com Wed Jan  1 16:42:09 PST 1997
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Laura Finsten  wrote:
>What exactly do you mean by "early...anthropological literature"?  You 
>realise,  of course, that most of what was written about native people 
>in the colonial era and 19th century was concerned with depicting them 
>in such a way to legitimate taking their land and destroying whatever
>vestiges of social institutions remained after decades or centuries of
>displacement, disease and, in some cases, out and out slaughter.  (If 

    The Oregon Trail is a book written by a man who went to observe the 
Indians and lived with them at times. He was not out to get their land, 
He wrote what he observed. There are many interesting parts of the book 
for example this: "For the most part, a civilized white man can discover 
very few points of sympathy between his own nature and that of an Indian. 
With every disposition to do justice to their good qualities, he must be 
conscious that an impassable gulf lies between him and his red brethren. 
Nay, so alien to him do they appear, that, after breathing the air of the 
prairie for a few months or weeks, he begins to look upon them as a 
troublesome and dangerous species of wild beasts."
   The movies that White people are shown today that show the Whites as 
savages and the Indians as saintly noblemen, are complete lies. The 
reason these movies are shown is because the movies are made by Jews who 
hate White civilization.



From vange@mail.cdmnet.com Fri Jan  3 07:41:43 PST 1997
Article: 90679 of alt.revisionism
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"Caius Caesar"  wrote:

>It is not possible to give a definition of race which can allow you to
>assign every man in the world to a definite race. This is the scientific
>proof that races don't exist.
>Speaking about races is a nonsense and it is incredible that in 1997 there
>are yet people that discuss about argument that simply do not exist!
>
    Where were the liberals when the NAACP started? Why didn't they 
inform the Blacks that their race does not exist? If race doesn't exist 
I'm sure all the liberals want to stop affirmative action? Some people 
may think the liberal left is inconsitant but that is not true. The left 
is consistantly against White people. They deny that races exist if this 
suits there agenda and they repeat this even though it is the most 
rediculous nonsense. Anyone can see that Whites, Blacks and Asians are 
three different races. If there has been some race-mixing then there are 
racially mixed people but this does not mean the races don't exist. If 
the liberals have their way and race-mixing is allowed to continue then 
the White race will not exist, but this has not happened yet. 
     Leftists name their opponants racists and anti-semites. They never 
define these words but I would assume that a racist is one who does not 
believe in equality. Take for example the cheetah compared to other cats. 
Racists would say that the cheetah is faster than the other cats. 
Non-racist, to complete the analogy would say that the cheetah can not be 
faster because they believe in equality which is like a religion to them. 
They would say we must not judge the cats by the color of their fur and 
that they are all cats, and therefore they are all equal. Next they will 
say that there are no cheetahs anyway. There is only one familiy of cats, 
the cat family.
     The word anti-semite can mean a lot of things. Bush was once called 
an anti-semite for failing to give the Israeli Jews billions of dollars 
fast enough. He did give them the billions but was considered an 
anti-semite for delaying. The fact of the matter is that the Jews control 
the media and they are the leaders of the leftist assault against White 
civlization. 



From vange@mail.cdmnet.com Sat Jan  4 09:43:58 PST 1997
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kate@accessone.com (Kathleen Mulhern) wrote:
>saint who threw gold coins down the chimnies of poor families, and when
>the poor families had their stockings hung up to dry in the fireplaces,
>the gold coins would sometimes fall into them.  Hence the tradition of
>hanging stockings by the fire place and hence the legend of St. Nicholas
>coming down the chimney with presents.  A Christian saint has absolutely
>nothing to do with Judaism.  If the Jews controled the media (or anything
>else for that matter) Christmas would be minimized as Chanukah is
>minimized currently.

   The matter of the Jews getting billions of dollars a year from America 
is a lot more relevant than Christmas trees. Clinton has appointed mostly 
Jews to high office. A Jewess is Secretary of State. Jews run the CIA. A 
Jew is Secratary of Defense and Secratary of Agriculture etc.



From vange@mail.cdmnet.com Sat Jan  4 09:43:59 PST 1997
Article: 90964 of alt.revisionism
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tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) wrote:
display, the suffocated bodies in recently arrived cattle cars, the
>abandoned instruments of torture and death, the files and records that
>the Germans had so carefully maintained. It was the repeated tales of
>senseless cruelty that increased the Russian fury; mothers obliged to
>carry their infants to their deaths ...; the woman on her way to the
>gas chamber, goaded to desperation by a taunting SS man, who threw
>herself upon him, and was then tortured by his comrades to emphasize
>the cost of remonstrance. The prisoners remembered the little boy who
>consoled his weeping parents on the edge of their mass grave with the
>assurance that the Russians would avenge them. They did so, wasting no
>time on due process." (Sachar, 34-35)

   The mass murders at Katyn were once blamed on the Germans. Americans 
joined with communism to fight the Germans. Later it was proven and 
admitted that the communists were the  real murderers at Katyn. In the 
post above we see the same thing repeated. Communism was the real evil, 
and the Germans were fighting against it. Jews were behind communism. A 
great book on this is called Behind Communism. Naturally this book, or 
for that matter any good book, will not be found in bookstores or 
libraries. The media is Jewish. Those who want something other than the 
Jewish side of the story should subscribe to The Truth At Last, P.O. Box 
1211, Marietta, Georgia 30061  U.S.A.  It is the greatest paper in 
America.




From vange@mail.cdmnet.com Sat Jan  4 15:59:41 PST 1997
Article: 90992 of alt.revisionism
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zundel-repost@alpha.c2.org (E. Zundel Repost) wrote:
>The following propaganda is reposted to public forums by an automated
>script in the interest of public oversight. As a general rule, it is not
>safe to assume that anything following the BEGIN ZUNDELGRAM MESSAGE
>delimiter is true. Said material is Copyright 1996 Ingrid Rimland, 

    For the latest information on the fight for free speech in Canada, 
write to the Canadian Free Speech League, P.O. Box 40143, Victoria, B.C. 
V8W 3N3, Western Canada. This is their latest on Zundel:

"The latest attack on Ernst Zundel is through the politically appointed 
Canadian Human Rights Tribunal. There Sabina Citron and the Toronto 
Mayors' Committee on Race Relations,are trying to shut down the 
Zundelsite in California, operated by Ingrid Rimland. This fight will 
definately continue in 1997, probably making its way to Federal Court and 
beyond, as it is a very important first case involving the censorship of 
the Internet, between countries' jurisdictions."
    "The trend toward using Human Rights Tribunals has continued to grow, 
whereby special interest groups can persue an individual to tribunals 
presided over by politically appointed judges, where politically correct 
decisions can be imposed. Thereby the process of the jury trial and the 
criminal justice system is avoided, thus sidestepping the stricter 
requirements for due process and fundamental justice."
     



From vange@mail.cdmnet.com Sun Jan  5 11:42:32 PST 1997
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kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) wrote:

>Are you actually suggesting that Mr. Lauck was charged, arrested
>and imprisoned simply because he posted something on the net? (Or
>is that the line you want internet users to swallow?)
>
>I do not agree with Germany's handling of Nazi activity - I've
>said that before. But I also do not agree with the publication of
>unchallenged claptrap - such as the paragraph quoted above, and so
>must ask what evidence you are prepared to provide that internet 
>posts had anything to do with Lauck's arrest?
>
>I offer http://ftp.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/l/lauck.gerhard/ to
>anyone wanting somewhat more reliable information with regard to
>Mr. Lauck's activities, and the true reason for his arrest.
 
   Gerhard Lauck mailed a lot of National Socialist (Nazi) literature 
>from  America to Germany. Although the literature is illegal in Germany 
there is, thank God, no law against what he did in America. I can see 
that he would be very cautious if he went on a trip to Germany, but this 
is not the situation. He was arrested in Denmark. He was then 
extradited to Germany to face trial. On the second day of the trial, the 
lead judge announced that Mr. Lauck was facing fifteen years in prison! 
The U.S. State Department lodged no protest, no complaint, with either 
the Danish or German governments over this outrageous crime. The U.S. 
Ambassador to Germany declared that he would do nothing!



From vange@mail.cdmnet.com Sun Jan  5 15:54:29 PST 1997
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moo@midtown.net (Bryan Cowan) wrote:
erhaps the question is not yours or mine to decide.  Rather it is up to
>
>If I can jump in here for a sec, I think what Keith is asking is how do
>you want to group a race? For example, I've always wondered how the
>inhabitants of the proposed White Homeland would be selected. If a person
>has light skin, Caucasoid facial features, and considers himself White, do
>you let him in? Do you do an exhaustive study of his geneaology to make
>sure he's not contaminated by any African, Latino, Asian, Native American,
>or Jewish ancestry? (And what if you can't trace his ancestry, what then?)

   According to the arguement above it would be impossible to have 
affirmative action, because who will decide who is not White and 
therefore entitled to special privilages? But there is affirmative action 
so the arguement is proven false. As for a White nation the decision 
would  be made by experts appointed by the party that brought the White 
nation about. Right now the most professional attempt at political power 
is with the British National Party in England. If they come to power  
then the British National Party will decide who is White enough to be a 
citizen. 



From vange@mail.cdmnet.com Sun Jan  5 20:26:24 PST 1997
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nizkor@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Nizkor Canada) wrote:
 Fred Leuchter is a man with no formal training in either chemistry or
>   toxicology (he obtained a BA in history in 1964), and yet he claims
>   to be a professional engineer - an assertion that has landed him in
>   hot water in his home state.  In 1988, at the request of Canada's
 
     Fred Leuchter worked in American prisons on execution gas chambers 
and is an expert on the subject. After going to Europe and examining the 
alleged "gas chambers" of the Germans, the power of organized Jewry 
became clear. He lost his work in the prisons which is not in the least 
surprising. Reporters, politicians and many other people quickly lose 
their jobs when they are disapproved by organized Jewry. When those who 
are aware of the power of Jewry have any meeting, the hotels they have 
reservations for cancel the reservation. This is extremely common. People 
do the Jews bidding all the time. Soon after Leuchter made his report, 
the power of organized Jewry got the court to try him on the charge of 
falsely claiming to be an engineer. There are no college classes that 
teach about execution gas chambers. The court did not deny that he was an 
expert on this or in any way restrict his freedom to work in prisons (if 
the prisons were not also intimidated by Jewry). There is no way that 
this case would of been in court except for the power of organized Jewry. 
The outcome was that Leuchter agreed not to use the term engineer. This 
was the most the court could do since Leuchter did absolutely nothing 
wrong. Apparantly an engineer can not be someone who is one in practice 
but only one who has papers from a leftist brainwashing center. Jews 
control the media. For example the first day Leuchter went to the trial 
there were only a few people supporting him and a large group of his 
enemies demonstrating outside the courthouse. The media reported on this 
extensively. On the next day he went to trial, there was a very large 
crowd of people supporting him outside the courtcase and carrying signs. 
There was only a handfull of opponants against him. The media did not 
report on this, as they certainly would when the situation is reversed. 
Many of Leuchters supporters wore black armbands that said free speech. 
Is there free speech in America? Technically yes, but the courts are 
subserviant to organized Jewry and they will bring people to trial for 
any trumped up charge they can dream of.



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wf3h@enter.net wrote:
>slavery. when the bible says jews killed christ, then the govt forces
>jews into second class positions before the law. when the bible says
>women have a role in society of mother and servant to the husband (see
>ephesians) then the govt must enforce this view of 'traditional
>values'. in any case, the rights of the individual are subservient to
>govt imposed biblical morality...especially for women...men for some
>reason seem to be exempt, although this view does carry over to right
>wing views of labor unions, and other work related issues
>

    Not only did the Jews kill Jesus, they are still enemies of 
Christianity today. Jews control the media and are the enemy of White 
Christian civilization. The leaders of feminism are almost all Jews. 
Bella Abzug is a Jew, As is Gloria Steinem and the rest of them. They say 
they are the leaders of women and for womens rights. Jewish lesbians are 
the leaders of feminism. A good nation would expell the enemy Jews 
entirely and also reject feminism. Men and women are different, and this 
fact should be recognized by the State. Women should not be policemen 
because only male feminists (faggots) would tolerate being protected by 
women. The rights of individuals should stop where the corrupting of 
society begins. Homosexuality should be outlawed. A great nation would 
put a stop to the perversion and this would put an end to most of the 
feminists and the male feminists too.



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Keith Morrison  wrote:
>to specifically define races.  Take a walk down any modern street in
>the cosmopolitan countries and see the constant variation in skin tone,
>hair type, build (and thus skeleton).  When you try to define a race
>by these features you get stymied.  Are African-Americans a different
>race from Africans because a larger percentage tends to have lighter
>skin tone?  Are the Metis and Quebecois seperate races just because
>the Metis have some native ancestors?  Trying to answer these questions
>objectively highlights the ridiculous position racists make.

   The nonsense quoted above would normally be dismissed as being to 
pathetic to respond to. But it appears to be the opinion of "experts" and 
the media elite. Whites, Blacks, and Asians are three very distinct races 
of people. Maybe the word race is not precise according to the "experts". 
But what's a word, the point is that anyone can plainly see that there 
are three different types of people. Similiar to say the cats, where 
there are panthers, lions, cheetahs etc., different types. The 
unfortunate fact that people inter-marry does produce a lot of mixed race 
people. Nevertheless, the presense of mixed people in no way erases the 
fact that there are three different types of people, Whites, 
Blacks, and Asians. The goal of liberalism is to inter-marry and destroy 
the White race. Since the White race is the one that built civilization 
and made all the important inventions and advancements, the goal of 
liberalism is therefore evil.
   Whites are more intelligent than Blacks. This is why the Blacks in 
Africa did not invent the wheel prior to the arrival of the Whites and 
why they were naked head-hunters living in primitive huts. There is no 
reason to hate the Black race but only a reason to preserve the White 
race. The earth will not have much of a future without the White race. 
Blacks are not the enemy. The enemy is the Jew who controls the media and 
hates White civilization.
   



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schultr@ashur.cc.biu.ac.il (Richard Schultz) wrote:
>: in an article written by Elizbeth Dillings (well-known as a paid 
>: agent of nazi Germany). 
>
>Actually, her name was Elizabeth Dilling, but her anti-semitic ravings
>are much more amusing than any of the ones you're likely to find in
>this newsgroup.

    Elizabeth Dilling wrote the great book- The Plot Against 
Christianity. The latest copies of it have been renamed- The Jewish 
Religion; It's Influence Today, since the book is mainly about the 
Talmud. It is well documented with pages from the Talmud and from the 
Jewish Encyclopedia. It also has official American documents that prove 
that communism is Jewish. It is an excellant book. Of course it will not 
be found in any bookstores or libraries.Many people have been conditioned 
to take the word of the Jews about books that they have never read. Here 
is a a sample of her "ravings"- "It is indeed strange that the Bulls of 
the Popes over many centuries, warning against the Jews, should be 
seemingly unknown to the Catholic clergy today, and that the writtings of 
Luther,which generally are like a second gospel to Protestants of the 
Lutheran fold, should be equally unknown on this subject today!" 



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larry seiler  wrote:
>God's favor has always rested upon His people of Israel, and God's 
>cursings are promised on those that come against His people.  I am not 
>Jewish by blood or nationality, and while most Jewish people would not 

    The Bible says Jews are the enemies of God. For example:

John 7:1 "After these thing Jesus walked in Galilee: for he would not 
walk in Jewry, because the Jews sought to kill him."

Matthew 27: 20+25 "But the chief priests and elders persuaded the 
multitude that they should ask Barrabas, and destroy Jesus...Then 
answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us and on our 
children."

Acts 25:24 "ye see this man, about whom all the multitude of the Jews 
have dealt with me, both at Jerusalem, and also here, crying that he 
ought not to live any longer."

John 8:44+48 "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your 
father will ye do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in 
the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he 
speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it...Then 
answered the Jews, and said unto him..."

  God does like the chosen race best and the real chosen race is the 
White race. Jews falsely claim to be the chosen race. The Bible describes 
the real chosen race as the White people.



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schlafo@nevada.edu (OSCAR SCHLAF) wrote:
\
> Taken from the insert in the CD "Wagner-Ouverturen-Vorspiele" 
>   from Deutsche Grammophon GmbH, Hamburg 1993.
>
> Now back to the original topic. If someone thinks Wagner anti-semetic. 
>Please point out the lines that you think indicate it.

   Wagner was very aware of the Jewish problem. You can get his book, 
Judaism In Music, from The Truth At Last, P.O. Box 1211, Marietta, 
Georgia 30061  U.S.A.



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David Kastrup  wrote:
>Pretty much unthinkable in most civilized states with a separation of
>religion and state.  Now of course I am aware that the Jewish canon of
>law which is supposedly valid for Christians as well contains *very*
>strict outruling of homosexuality.  But it contains a host of other
>rules with equally strict penalties which nobody cares a bit about any
>more.  We don't lock women away for the time of their period, for
>example.  No gynaecologist and his patients get sentenced to death
>because they uncovered the "blood flow" of the woman.
>
>But Christians have always been very selective in what laws they want
>to be zealots about, and the American are traditionally pretty zealous.
>
    No, the death penalty is only for serious crimes such as homosexual 
perversion. There is some mention of uncleanness regarding menstruating, 
but that is about it. A great nation would outlaw homosexual perversion 
and promote a good culture for quality people to live in. And the Old 
Testament is not Jewish canon. The chosen race are the White people and 
described as White in the Bible. Jews falsely claim to be the chosen, 
when in fact they are the race of Anti-Christs and enemies of God.



From vange@mail.cdmnet.com Sat Jan 11 07:21:33 PST 1997
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truthsk763@aol.com (Truthsk763) wrote:

>the information given to America's strongest ally in the Middle East. 
 
    The Jewish media likes this phrase "America's strongest ally in the 
Middle East". The phrase is very deceptive. It would be more accurate to 
say that America is a colony of the Jewish country and a puppet of the 
Jews. 
   The situation is very similar to the one in the movie "They Live". If 
you erase the pornagraphy at the end of it you will have a movie that 
shows the true state of affairs today. It is amazingly accurate except 
"They" are the Jews. Putting the glasses on is the equivalant of learning 
the Identity truth or subscribing to The Truth At Last, P.O. Box 1211, 
Marietta, Georgia 30061  USA. It is $6 for a four month trial 
subscription.



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map@zenon.prima.ruhr.de (Martin Paegert) wrote:

> >> Remember that Hitler said several times that national socialism knows 
>Could you please explain how Hitler did want hegemony without exporting
>National-Socialism whereas he explicitely did plan to national-socialize
>the world ?  And could you please detail how Kohl is according to your

  For one thing the statement above is a lie, but the poster believes it 
because he heard it on Jewish television. What is really amazing is that 
this is why America joined with communism? Because the Germans were 
trying to take over the world? Hitlers Party was called National 
Socialist and Mein Kampf is clearly concerned only with Germany. Needless 
to say the communists were trying to take over the world. And stopping 
the alleged inter-nationalism of Hitler was why America joined with 
communism! The ignorance of liberals is of monumental proportions.
   On the other hand. National Socialism is the best government a nation 
could have. Any nation that wanted to be great would be National 
Socialist. If there is one thing I disagree with Hitler about, it is that 
he only wanted to be the leader of Germany. He should of been leader of 
the entire White portion of the world.



From vange@mail.cdmnet.com Sat Jan 11 14:27:58 PST 1997
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zundel-repost@alpha.c2.org (E. Zundel Repost) wrote:
>The following propaganda is reposted to public forums by an automated
>script in the interest of public oversight. As a general rule, it is not
>safe to assume that anything following the BEGIN ZUNDELGRAM MESSAGE
>delimiter is true. Said material is Copyright 1996 Ingrid Rimland, posted
>by permission (see ZGram 961208). These four header paragraphs are not.
>
>I firmly believe that since it is not only unwise but impossible to censor
>such material, the best response is to facilitate the public exposure 

   Here is the latest on Zundel from the Canadian Free Speech League, 
P.O. Box 40143, Victoria, B.C. V8W 3N3, Western Canada:

"The latest attack on Ernst Zundel is through the polititically appointed 
Canadian Human Rights Tribunal. There Sabina Citron and the Toronto 
Mayors' Commitee on Race Relations, are trying to shut down the 
Zundelsite in California, operated by Ingrid Rimland. This fight will 
definately continue in 1997, probably making its way to Federal Court and 
beyond, as it is a very important first case involving the censorship of 
the Internet, between countries' jurisdictions."
    "The trend toward using Human Rights Tribunals has continued to grow, 
whereby special interest groups can persue an individual to tribunals 
presided over by politically appointed judges, where politically correct 
decisions can be imposed. Thereby the process of the jury trial and the 
criminal justice system is avoided, thus sidestepping the stricter 
requirements for due process and fundamental justice."



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dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote:
>It may have indeed been a shameful thing to invite Vorster
>to Yad-Vashem - if what you write about him is true; I have
>no idea. Anyway, it does not change the fact that it really
>makes one sick to see how Nazis and "Holocaust revisionists"
>use the Liberty tragedy for their own hateful cause. This is
>a grave insult to the memory of the American sailors who
>died on the ship.

   There was an article in the Spotlight about this which was written by 
a sailor who was on the ship. He said the Jews definately attacked the 
ship deleberately. He said it was a clear day and they had a huge flag. 
The Jews also attacked the lifeboats. The Jews say it was an accident and 
now they say it insults the sailors to mention it! Jews are liars. The 
Bible says they are liars,  John 8:44+48 "Ye are of your father the 
devil, and the lists of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from 
the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in 
him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, 
and the father of it."..."Then answered the Jews, and said..."
    Mein Kampf also says Jews are liars. It says this: "One of the 
greatest thinkers that mankind has produced has branded the Jews for all 
time with a statement which is profoundly and exactly true. He 
(Schopenhauer) called the Jew "The Great Master of Lies". Those who do 
not realize the truth of that statement, or do not wish to believe it, 
will never be able to lend a hand in helping Truth to prevail."          
 This part of Mein Kampf is right after the part about big lies being 
effective in which Hitler was saying that the Jews tell big lies and that 
their lies are effective. The Jews take this out of context to imply that 
Hitler was in favor of lies! The Jewish controlled media did say this 
about Hitler and this act was in itself a big lie and proof that Hitler 
was right. The first order of business for all good people is to remove 
the race of liars from controlling the media.
     



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dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote:
>It may have indeed been a shameful thing to invite Vorster
>to Yad-Vashem - if what you write about him is true; I have
>no idea. Anyway, it does not change the fact that it really
>makes one sick to see how Nazis and "Holocaust revisionists"
>use the Liberty tragedy for their own hateful cause. This is
>a grave insult to the memory of the American sailors who
>died on the ship.

   There was an article in the Spotlight about this which was written by 
a sailor who was on the ship. He said the Jews definately attacked the 
ship deleberately. He said it was a clear day and they had a huge flag. 
The Jews also attacked the lifeboats. The Jews say it was an accident and 
now they say it insults the sailors to mention it! Jews are liars. The 
Bible says they are liars,  John 8:44+48 "Ye are of your father the 
devil, and the lists of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from 
the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in 
him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, 
and the father of it."..."Then answered the Jews, and said..."
    Mein Kampf also says Jews are liars. It says this: "One of the 
greatest thinkers that mankind has produced has branded the Jews for all 
time with a statement which is profoundly and exactly true. He 
(Schopenhauer) called the Jew "The Great Master of Lies". Those who do 
not realize the truth of that statement, or do not wish to believe it, 
will never be able to lend a hand in helping Truth to prevail."          
 This part of Mein Kampf is right after the part about big lies being 
effective in which Hitler was saying that the Jews tell big lies and that 
their lies are effective. The Jews take this out of context to imply that 
Hitler was in favor of lies! The Jewish controlled media did say this 
about Hitler and this act was in itself a big lie and proof that Hitler 
was right. The first order of business for all good people is to remove 
the race of liars from controlling the media.
     

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