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From: (Mark Van Alstine)
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Subject: Re: Remarkable Nonsense -- Geysers of Blood at Babi Yar
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In article <>, (Greg "Hitler
was a great man" Raven) wrote:


> Geysers of Blood at Babi Yar


> Eyewitnesses say that for months after the killing the ground continued
> to spurt geysers of blood.

Such was also reported to have took place at Minsk. 

LESS: Herr Eichmann, you wished to speak of your visits to the
extermination camps.

EICHMANN: Yes. That's right. Müller said to me: "In Minsk the Jews are
being shot. I'd like a report on that." So I went to Minsk. I had had
nothing at all to do there, I didn't know anybody. I went to the command
post- what was it called again? ... Commander Security Police, or could it
have been Action Team Security Police? -and asked for the commanding
officer. I still remember, he wasn't there. I spoke to someone else and
told him I had orders to see what was going on. I spent the night in that
town, and the next day I went to the place, but I got there too late. The
work for that morning was already done, almost done -and I was very glad
of that. WHen I got there, I was just in time to see some young riflemen,
I believe they were riflemen, with the death's-head collar patch, shooting
into a pit... maybe four ot five times as big as this room. Maybe bigger,
say six or seven times. I... I... my orientation in this case is
unreliable, becuase I saw this thing without thinking, I didn't think
anything at all. I just saw it, and that's all. They fired into the pit, I
can still see a women with her arms behind her back, and then her knees
crumpled, and I cleared out...

LESS: The pit was full of corpses? 

EICHMANN: It was full. It was full. I went to my car, I got in and drove
away. I drove to Lemberg. I had no orders to go to Lemberg, I remember
now. Somewhow I went to Lemberg and found the man in charge of the Gestapo
command post and I said to him: "It's horrible what they're doing there.
They're training young men to be sadists." I told Müller the exact same
thing. I told Günther too. I told everybody. I told them all. And I said
to that SS officer in Lemberg: "How can they stand there firing at women
and children? How is it possible? ...It's just not...Those men will either
go mad or they'll turn into sadists...our own men." He said to me:
"They're doing the same thing right here, shooting. Want to see?" "No," I
said. "I don't want to see anything." "We're driving past there anyways,"
he said. There had been a pit there, it was already filled in, and blood
was gushing out of it... how shall I say? a geyser. I've never
seen anything like it. I'd had enough of that mission. I went back to
Berlin and reported what I'd seen to Gruppenführer Müller. I said to him:
"This is no solution to the Jewish question. And besides, we're training
our men to be sadists. We shouldn;t be suprised if they all turn out to be
criminals, all criminals." I still remember Müller looking at me with an
expression that said: Eichmann, you're right, that's no solution. But
there was nothing he could do about it. Müller definetely couldn't do a
thing. Not a thing. Not a thing. Who gave the orders for those actions?
The orders, the orders. Obviously the orders were given by the head of
Security Police and the SD, namely, Heydrich. But he must also have had
his instructions from the Reichsführer-SS, namely Himmler; on his own hook
he can't...he could never have done such things on his own hook. And
Himmler must have had express orders from Hitler. If he hadn't had orders
from Hitler, he'd have been out on his ear before he knew what hit him.

Source: von Lang, _Eichmann Interrogated_, pp.79-81.

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