http://xp2.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?recnum=7021790&server=dnserver.dbapr&CONTEXT=836939150.21789&hitnum=146 Subject: Getcha FREE Dees book here From: EEGG87A@prodigy.com (A Huber) Date: 1996/05/29 Message-Id: <firstname.lastname@example.org> Distribution: world Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Newsgroups: alt.politics.usa.constitution Date: Tuesday, 28-May-96 11:14 PM From: Linda Thompson Am \ Internet: (email@example.com) To: tribeca.com/~save-outgo \ PRODIGY: (EEGG87A) Subject: Cost Dees and get info Morris Dees, or Bore-us Da-sleaze to those in the know, of the Southern Poverty Law Center, will send a FREE copy of his book "False Patriots" to ANYONE WHO ASKS. Gee, how long will it take to suck down that 60 million dollar trust fund Dees has amassed playing on the false hopes of poor black women if we all send in for a copy or two or three? Mention you are a concerned citizen and want to know more. Write: SPLC 400 Washington Ave. Montgomery, AL 36104 Kind regards, *********************** V ************************* DEATH TO THE NEW WORLD ORDER **************************************************** Linda Thompson American Justice Federation Home of AEN News & news videos, "Waco, the Big Lie," "America Under Siege" 3850 S. Emerson Ave. Indianapolis, IN 46203 Telephone: (317) 780-5200 Fax: (317) 780-5209 Internet: firstname.lastname@example.org Website: http://aen.aen.org ****************************************************** Remember Waco. The Murderers are still free. ****************************************************** http://xp2.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?recnum=7491655&server=dnserver.dbapr&CONTEXT=836939150.21789&hitnum=144 Subject: Re: Armed Standoff!!!!!! From: email@example.com (William Katcher) Date: 1996/05/31 Message-Id: <firstname.lastname@example.org> References: <4omvdt$4b7@daily-Planet.nodak.edu> <1996May31.email@example.com> Organization: Panix Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns In article <1996May31.firstname.lastname@example.org>,
wrote: >For your typical out-in-the-middle-of-nowhere siege, >except perhaps in the winter, a flood would be the >ideal area-denial weapon. And, if introduced somewhat >gradually, it's far less likely to kill people than >the stunts the government has pulled in the past. >(It also makes the possibility of a catastrophic, fiery >Gotterdammerung ending less likely.) And what do you suppose would happen if they STILL didn't come out? They would drown, and as usual, the government would be blamed. Conspiracy theorists would be in a Waco-like utopia: the FBI should have KNOWN that the windows were too small for an adult to escape through! They WANTED to give up, but were only given a measly 50 days! The feds wanted them dead from day one! And Linda Thompson's video showing deadly acid flowing out of the water hoses is proof! :) And they would demand the empeachment of the highest ranking Democrats in the White House or Congress. Bill http://xp2.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?recnum=6953322&server=dnserver.dbapr&CONTEXT=836938938.21243&hitnum=4 Subject: Re: Linda Thompson Videos From: email@example.com (Harry Langford) Date: 1996/05/29 Message-Id: <firstname.lastname@example.org> References: <4oelht$onu@madeline.INS.CWRU.Edu> <31AB1E54.36BF@inreach.com> <email@example.com Followup-To: alt.conspiracy,alt.politics.economics Organization: Dimensional Communications Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.politics.economics William Mullin (firstname.lastname@example.org) wrote: : In article <31AB1E54.36BF@inreach.com>, : Paula Barela-Olsen wrote: : >Does anyone have copies of the Linda Thompson "Waco" videos? I read about : : Save your money. Linda Thompson holds little credibility here. Linda Thompson may not have any credibility, but the tapes themselves are worth viewing. http://xp2.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?recnum=5333631&server=dnserver.dbapr&CONTEXT=836939150.21789&hitnum=103 Subject: Re: I saw black helicopte From: email@example.com (frankenchrist) Date: 1996/05/20 Message-Id: <firstname.lastname@example.org> Organization: Internex Online (shell.io.org), Toronto, Ontario, Canada Return-Path: Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia v> Paul Phillips, radio talk show host v> WOWO-AM 8-10PM Central Time Weeknights...heard East of v> the Mississippi on AM 1190 Nationwide Toll Free talk line v> 1-800-333-1190 I enjoy your show..Me thinks you are trying to emulate Mike Reagan though :) Have you ever had Linda Thompson on as a guest? If not,you should..She's a riot.She had alot to do with spreading this UN highway sticker hoax. <-----------------------------------------------------------> Hempster's Home Page: http://www.io.org/~hempster/hemp.htm -Hemp-InterFripp-OS/2 Warp-Links-Unabom-Clinton/Cocaine-Ubo- --- þ KWQ/2 1.2i þ Support OS/2 - Show Windows95 to your friends! http://xp2.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?recnum=2863174&server=dnserver.dbapr&CONTEXT=836939150.21789&hitnum=85 Subject: Re: HOW MANY KINDS OF MILITIA ARE THERE??? From: email@example.com (Mark T Pitcavage) Date: 1996/05/06 Message-Id: <firstname.lastname@example.org> References: <email@example.com> <firstname.lastname@example.org> <831330201$ Organization: The Ohio State University Return-Path: Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia In article <email@example.com>, Scott Alan Malcomson wrote: > >PGISSource (firstname.lastname@example.org) wrote: >: (though maybe for insufficient control of their personnel). So far I've >: seen the militias pretty much in that light, they lack adequate control, >: but can not necessarily be _directly_ blamed for all acts arising from >: their personnel or wannabe personnel anymore than the Marine Corps can be >: blamed for Okinawan problems. But now what do we do about it? > >Ahem...what acts, precisely, are you alluding that Militias have >performed that are illegal? At the same time, which would you rather >have: a Militia movement where enough people think for themselves that a >demagogue cannot readily take control and abuse it, or a monolithic >organization of the sort that CNN seems to think we are, with people like >Linda Thompson and Mark Koernke *actually* in control? > How about option 3, no militia movement at all? That's what I'd choose. > We, for our part, believe we already have "adequate control". We >are not so organized that someone could demand a march on DC and expect >to get any real support (which is what happened when Linda Thompson tried >that...she was ignored), but we are organized enough to present an actual >deterrent to abuses of federal authority...which is exactly why we're >doing what we're doing. > Which militia leaders do -you- think are in control, or that -you- respect as leaders? http://email@example.com%3e&server=dnserver.dbapr&CONTEXT=836939150.21789&hitnum=319 Subject: (fwd) "Worst Nightmare" Exposed. From: Terry.Liberty-Parker@804.ima.infomail.com (Terry Liberty-Parker) Date: 1996/05/11 Message-Id: <firstname.lastname@example.org> Organization: Austin InfoMail Association - Austin, Texas Newsgroups: tx.politics * Forwarded (from: AEN) by Terry Liberty-Parker using timEd/386 1.10+. * Originally from Linda Thompson to aen. * Original dated: Sat May 11, 01:40 From: Linda Thompson This is an excellent assessment of the Glover/Waterhouse fraud Date: Tue, 7 May 96 8:18:06 GMT Message-ID: <email@example.com> Subject: "Worst Nightmare" Exposed. Lines: 202 Status: N 6 May 1996 1ACR Rumor Control Center (Black Helicopters Our Specialty) Intel Brief 306-1 "Worst Nightmare" Invented by the Tweedledee and Tweedledum of ATF Agents Provocateur (or, "They're Baaaack.") "Worst Nightmare", a very specific and detailed threat directed at the federal government in the event of a move on the "Freemen" was likely authored by Brad Glover (and possibly Stewart Waterhouse) within a day or so of the first two Freemen arrests and the beginning of the standoff (and also possibly PRIOR TO that incident). "Worst Nightmare", dated 28 March 1996 (3 days after start of standoff), was the subject of an FBI alert to all law enforcement and military units (hell, they even alerted the Coast Guard!) on 16 April. For some unknown reason, this alert wasn't picked up in the press until this past weekend, when an AP story quoting law enforcement sources in the Spokane, WA, area made it all the way to the ABC-NBC-CBS-CNN talking heads ("Militias To Blow Up World If Freemen Arrested."). 1ACR was aware of the alert through a local law enforcement source shortly after its issuance, and contact was made with local FBI SAC to seek details on point of origin of this monumental piece of disinformation. Still awaiting call back, we proceeded on our own to track it down and the last piece of the puzzle fell into place today. The first mention of "Worst Nightmare" in the press actually predates the 16 April alert and is proof positive that Glover was the author. On 9 April 1996 the St. Joseph (Missouri) NEWS-PRESS printed a story by Mike Jones headlined "Militia Units Fax Outline of War Plan." The relevant paragraphs (military-ese bullshit deleted): "Wichita, Kansas-- Using the Internet and fax machines, militia units in several states have been coordinating rules of engagement for a confrontation with federal forces, possibly near Jordan, Montana. The document, which was faxed from the Wichita area to the News-Press on Monday, bears the name "Worst Nightmare." It calls for selective guerrilla strikes to shut down the federal government, disrupt communications and detain key federal leaders for trial, if confrontation occurs. . . .Brad Glover, a militia commander, said the term military force in the document means only the use of military equipment, such as tanks or armored personnel carriers.....Mr. Glover, who said he commands militia units in 13 states, said federal officials have grossly underreported the numbers of militia members in the standoff area......" The point of origin of the fax, Wichita, combined with background details provided by sources in Kansas and Missouri, and a comparison of "Worst Nightmare" with other such documents known to be written by Glover, lead us to conclude that the primary author of "Worst Nightmare" is probably Brad Glover. Glover, once a board member of Tri-States Militia Network, was tossed out of the organization for scaring little old ladies on patriot shortwave with tales of millions of jabbering communists poised to invade from Mexico ("Red Dawn" was apparently his favorite movie.) He has been listed as a general of variable stars in various formations (John Milius meets Gilbert and Sullivan?: "I am the very model of a modern Major General.") His mental health was subject of intense and frequent debate during his association with Tri-States, and from personal observation I would say that he is either looney tunes or crazy like a fox (sorry, psychiatry NOT our specialty). It would be fair to say he is an unstable personality with paranoid ideations. He started out with a pretty fair constitutional militia unit in Kansas, but his inherent instability caused most of his troops to vote with their feet to other, more responsible commanders (ie, non-nutburgers that didn't propose to START a war). Glover has a serious John Brown-complex and has spoken of sparking the second American Civil War. He just can't seem to figure out where Harper's Ferry is at. Even prior to his expulsion from Tri-States, Glover was hanging out with Stewart Waterhouse, agent provocateur extraordinaire (he is said by at least one law enforcement source to be taking money from the ATF). Stewie has a long history as a bad penny in the patriot movement. SW claims to have shared a girlfriend with David Koresh and also to have gotten him into the gun hobby (likely BS, but there is secondary source evidence that places him near Waco just prior to the 28 February 93 raid. Friendly with the Klan, neo-Nazis and antisemites, Stewie has been in and out of Elohim City, Oklahoma and is said to have brushed elbows with McVeigh and Strassmeyer. Stewie also was urging Lampley on to do the "Prophet's work" at the time Lampley was busted for plotting to blow up SPLC and other targets. After Lampley's bust, Stewie and Glover sent a stream of threatening letters to Lampley's Oklahoma jailers and others, demanding POW treatment for him and his wife. Strangely, although the Oklahoma authorities complained to the Feds about Glover/Waterhouse, the US att'y prosecuting Lampley declined to move against them. Finally, the Oklahoma authorities filed state charges against Waterhouse, who skipped out of the 48 states and back to his daddy's place in Hawaii (Daddy is rumored to have been CIA spook from old Caravelle Hotel days in Saigon--rumor NOT confirmed-- but he does live on "Sin Loi" Street.) Finally arrested by Hawaiian cops on the Oklahoma warrant, they let him go back into his daddy's house unescorted to dress in his militia uniform (he's a POW, you know). SW takes the opportunity to place a long distance call to Glover, telling him "the war is on!" (Gee, do your police show this much sensitivity to wanted felons?) Glover, though driving in circles for days in his "War Wagon" van and worrying the shit out of a lot of people, in the end does nothing and goes back home. Waterhouse is later released prior to extradition on a technicality in the warrant, and then drops out of sight with the comment that he's going underground to clear his name. When the warrant is refiled, Stewie is nowhere to be found, having hopped a jet for the 48 and his old buddy Glover. Spotted hovering with Glover around the Lampley trial, it is for their benefit that the U.S. Marshal's surrounded the courthouse with snipers, expecting that Glover/Waterhouse would try a jail break/terrorist attack. Once again, their nerve is not quite up to it. (It was December, 1995, when Tri-States circulated an "Unwanted Poster" featuring Lampley, Waterhouse and Glover at all the finer truck stops in Kansas and Oklahoma. See copy appended.) (Curiouser and curiouser: Waterhouse had a high enough profile during this time, and the paper to go with it, that apprehending him should have been easy for the OK Feds. They didn't seem interested. Glover even mailed threats and confirmed those threats on the phone to John Parsons reportedly with FBI SA Bill Grode on the extension while Parsons was a witness under subpeona for the Lampley trial. Reportedly when Grode complained to OK Fed prosecutor, "he didn't have time" to pursue the threat made against one of his witnesses. You show me one other jurisdiction where threatening a witness in a Federal trial doesn't get your ass in jail so fast it smokes. This is one more piece of evidence, if any were needed, that Fed justice in OK, KS and AR is corrupt as the administration whose interests they serve.) Which brings us more or less to the present period. According to MOM, Waterhouse (still wanted by the authorities) entered the freemen compound on 26 March, 1 day after the standoff began (slipping through the FBI lines, an easy task for a snitch with assistance). Two days later, "Worst Nightmare" begins circulation. Waterhouse stays in the compound until surrendering last week, just before "Worst Nightmare" starts to get heavy media play. Conclusions: 1. "Worst Nightmare" is a fraud perpetrated by two characters who are, at worst, paid government snitches and provocateurs or at best dangerously unbalanced idiots dancing on a minefield where others will die along with them-- perhaps many others. 2. The FBI (having access to much more information than we do) had to have known that "Worst Nightmare" was authored by Glover and Co., and therefore had no currency in the militia movement, despite their subsequent alert and quoted statements in the press. They knew "Worst Nightmare" was a fraud and they gave it legitimacy by circulating and promoting it. Why? 3. The Freemen had better take this opportunity to surrender, for as rats are the last to leave a sinking ship, snitches are the last out before the raid. Waterhouse is out, lodged comfortably we are told in the Yellowstone County jail, where he insists on being addressed by his jailers as "Colonel Waterhouse, Prisoner of War." We doubt that he gets that much respect from his fellow prisoners, but then with a friend in the Treasury department, anything is possible. We suppose the FBI meeting in Salt Lake City today will likely decide the Freemen's fate (and perhaps that of the militia movement as well, if they aren't careful and believe their own badly-crafted propaganda). ADDENDUM: "UNWANTED POSTER" This "Unwanted Poster" was written by Mike Vanderboegh, 1ACR, and circulated by Tri-States Militia Network in December, 1995. UNWANTED BY THE CONSTITUTIONAL MILITIAS OF THE UNITED STATES FOR MULTIPLE COUNTS OF: CONSPIRACY TO FACILITATE THE PASSAGE OF THE COUNTER-TERRORISM BIL, AGGRAVATING MENACING OF INNOCENT LIVES, PARANOIA IN THE FIRST DEGREE, IMPERSONATING A CONSTITUTIONAL MILITIAMAN, FELONIOUS DELUSIONS OF GRANDEUR, ACTING AS AGENTS PROVOCATEUR FOR THE ATF, MISDEMEANOR BAD BREATH AND TERMINAL STUPIDITY UNBECOMING AN AMERICAN. (Photos and captions): WILLIE RAY LAMPLEY aka "Prophet of Yahweh", WM, 5'9", Age 65, 220 lbs., Grey hair, Blue eyes. STEWART D. WATERHOUSE aka "The Manipulator", WM, 5'9", Age 38, 140 lbs., Brown hair, Brown eyes. BRAD GLOVER aka "The Tool." ALSO KNOWN AS "THE THREE STOOGES GANG." **Lampley, WM age 65, is a self-proclaimed "Prophet of Yahweh" and is currently in custody in Muskogee, OK, for conspiracy to blow up buildings with people in them. He is also guilty of terminal stupidity for allowing Larry Wayne Crow of Albuquerque, New Mexico, (aka "Shemp", aka "ATF? I don't work for no ATF.") to talk him into the plot in the first place. **Waterhouse, WM, age 38, has been charged with making menacing threats to Lampley's jailer in Muskogee, but was strangely released after his equally strange arrest in Hawaii. He is now believed to be in the Midwest, trying to get Brad Glover to pull of another Oklahoma City bombing-type massacre, or perhaps to try to break Lampley out of jail. Whatever happens, Glover will be out in front and Waterhouse will be behind him all the way, whispering suggestions in his ear-- until the excrement hits the oscillator. **Glover, WM, age 55, (aka "The War Is ON") self-styled Brigadier General of the 7th Division Constitutional Militia, based in Kansas, "commands" about six guys, most of whom would be happy wearing sheets or swastikas. Glover, a former U.S. Navy officer (?), is skilled in combat arms, and is perfectly capable of carrying out any outrage Waterhouse dupes him into. CONSIDER THESE PROTO-TERRORISTS ARMED, DANGEROUS AND STUPID!! THEY ARE POSTERBOYS FOR THE COUNTER-TERRORISM BILL! Posted by Tri-States Militia Network. Written by Mike Vanderboegh. Kind regards, *********************** V ************************* DEATH TO THE NEW WORLD ORDER **************************************************** Linda Thompson American Justice Federation Home of AEN News & news videos, "Waco, the Big Lie," "America Under Siege" 3850 S. Emerson Ave. Indianapolis, IN 46203 Telephone: (317) 780-5200 Fax: (317) 780-5209 Internet: firstname.lastname@example.org Website: http://aen.aen.org ************************************************** Remember Waco. The Murderers are still free. *************************************************** Freeeeeeeeedom . . . .freeeeeeeedom . . . free-ee-dom, Free-DOM! Free-DOM! Sing it out now! Freeeeeeee-dom . . . . ___ -- |Fidonet: Terry Liberty-Parker 1:382/804 |Internet: Terry.Liberty-Parker@804.ima.infomail.com | | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly their own. http://xp2.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?recnum=4956327&server=dnserver.dbapr&CONTEXT=836939150.21789&hitnum=475 Subject: Re: Christian Identity From: email@example.com (Scott Alan Malcomson) Date: 1996/05/17 Message-Id: <firstname.lastname@example.org> References: <email@example.com> <firstname.lastname@example.org> <832135722$ <email@example.com> Organization: none Return-Path: Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Mark T Pitcavage (firstname.lastname@example.org) wrote: : Joseph Pothier wrote: : >CI's links with the militia movement were firmly established when : >leading CI preachers (Peters, Butler, Beam, Gritz, Jones, Weisman, : >et al.) hosted the Estes Park, CO (Oct. 1992), which is considered : >a key factor in the rise of the militia movement. Uh huh. So what you're saying is that since CI was there at one of the first "official" Militia meetings, that they have automatically been incorporated or had *some* kind of effect on every Militia that has cropped up since. Pardon me while I laugh out loud...ah, that was good. You see, most Militia members AREN'T recruited by pre-existing Militias. Most units, in fact, tend to crop up of their own volition, especially since the Waco and Ruby Ridge hearings showed the mistakes and crimes for which the government refuses to hold itself accountable. Many units appear, flail about for a while with no knowledge of how to contact other units in their area (since most units are fearful of persecution, we don't exactly advertise in the daily news), and then dissipate. Thus, claiming that CI is somehow a controlling influence, or even a major one, on Militias is rather like saying that since some of Ross Perot's ideas have been co-opted by the major parties, suddenly Perot is the "real" President. I mean, sheesh. : >Gordon Kahl in 1983. That CI members, specifically those in the : >Aryan Nations, first planned to bomb the OKC federal buliding in : >1983 as retaliation for Kahl's death in a shootout with law : >enforcement officers is a matter of established record. There you go with the common prejudicial notion that Militias were involved with the OKC bombing. : Well, it is not a coincidence that Christian Identity minister William Gales : was also chief of staff of the "Unorganized Militia" of the Committee of the : States. Yeah, yeah, and Linda Thompson calls herself "Adjutant General" of ALL the American Militias. She, however, controls precisely ZERO units. I'm willing to bet that this Gales character was a similar windbag. But since his proclamations fit your paranoid views, you'll accept it...just like the NWO types accept the mention of "arms control" in a certain UN document to imply that the UN is going to subvert the 2nd Amendment. ---LCD
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