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mragland41@gmail.com wrote:
> On Jul 31, 8:06 pm, Protagonist  wrote:
>> mraglan...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Jul 31, 7:01 pm, Protagonist  wrote:
>>>> mraglan...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> On Jul 31, 5:35 pm, Protagonist  wrote:
>>>>>> I think $20 is too much for them!
>>>>>> JS
>>>>> Ragland: Of course you do JS. What is nevertheless remarkable is the
>>>>> state of Israel is willing to
>>>>> pay them a stipend at all. After all, it was the Nazi Germans who
>>>>> inflicted the psychological
>>>>> and physical damage to survivors. Still think the Holocaust didn't
>>>>> happen and Israeli government
>>>>> is spending millions of dollars on a stipend for these Holocaust
>>>>> survivors. Actually, Israeli
>>>>> politicians may have come up with the Holocaust survivor stipend idea
>>>>> as an attempt to quell
>>>>> domestic unrest. Irrespective of the politician's reasoning the fact
>>>>> is the Israel government is
>>>>> willing to give out a 20 stipend each month to Holocaust survivors.
>>>>> This amounts to 28$ annually.
>>>>> Some hoax.
>>>>> Michael Ragland
>>>> Keep on dreaming idiotski!http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/09/DailyExpress_March1933_...
>>>> JS
>>>>>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070731/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_holocaust_s...
>>>>>> By LAURIE COPANS, Associated Press WriterTue Jul 31, 4:34 PM ET
>>>>>> An Israeli government offer of a new $20 monthly stipend for Holocaust
>>>>>> survivors provoked outrage Tuesday, with survivors charging the meager
>>>>>> allowance will do nothing to make up for years of neglect of the 240,000
>>>>>> Israelis who lived through Nazi horrors.
>>>>>> Survivors have long claimed that European countries treat them far
>>>>>> better than Israel, where many elderly survivors live in poverty. Prime
>>>>>> Minister Ehud Olmert's announcement of the new allowance did nothing to
>>>>>> change that impression. One survivor called the offer "absurd and
>>>>>> insulting."
>>>>>> Six million Jews were killed by the Nazis during World War II. Hundreds
>>>>>> of thousands who survived concentration camps came to Israel after the
>>>>>> war. Many suffered physical or psychological damage from the torture and
>>>>>> deprivation they suffered at the hands of the Nazis.
>>>>>> Six decades after the war ended, the remaining survivors are elderly,
>>>>>> and many have been unable to provide for themselves in their final
>>>>>> years, suffering chronic shortages of money for medical and
>>>>>> psychological treatment and in some cases even food.
>>>>>> Israel TV showed video of an 85-year-old survivor who said the only meat
>>>>>> he could afford was chicken necks.
>>>>>> Olmert presented his program as a solution.
>>>>>> "We are correcting a 60-year-old blight," he said. "Holocaust survivors
>>>>>> living in Israel are entitled to live respectably without reaching a
>>>>>> situation in which it is beyond their means to enjoy a hot meal."
>>>>>> Beginning next year, the amount allocated for 120,000 needy survivors,
>>>>>> about half the total number still living in Israel, will be $28 million
>>>>>> annually, according to Olmert's statement.
>>>>>> But that works out to an average of just $20 a month for each survivor.
>>>>>> "Of course the survivors cannot accept such an offer," said Dubby Arbel,
>>>>>> chairman of the Foundation for the Benefit of Holocaust Survivors in
>>>>>> Israel. Arbel said about 65,000 survivors are in acute need of
>>>>>> assistance, but his foundation can provide for only half of them.
>>>>>> Many survivors were outraged. "This doesn't solve anything," said
>>>>>> survivor Avraham Roet, 79. "The government doesn't understand the
>>>>>> significance of the Holocaust and what horrors the survivors went
>>>>>> through. If they did, they wouldn't propose this absurd and insulting
>>>>>> plan," he told The Associated Press.
>>>>>> The new payment is in addition to government support already given to
>>>>>> survivors, including those deemed physically or psychologically
>>>>>> handicapped, and regular pension payments of about $487 a month.
>>>>>> Survivors groups charged - in what was meant to be an especially painful
>>>>>> dig at the Israeli government - that survivors are treated better in
>>>>>> Germany.
>>>>>> "We know what the conditions of the Holocaust survivors are in Holland,
>>>>>> France, Germany and Poland. They are much better than in Israel," Noah
>>>>>> Frug, chairman of a consortium of Holocaust survivors' organizations and
>>>>>> a survivor himself, told Israel Radio.
>>>>>> Hillary Kessler-Godin, spokeswoman for Conference on Jewish Material
>>>>>> Claims Against Germany, said Germany still pays monthly pensions to
>>>>>> 80,000 survivors around the world, after starting in the 1950s.
>>>>>> "Each survivor's pension can be different depending on their persecution
>>>>>> history," she told the AP. Other funds have paid out billions of dollars
>>>>>> to various categories of Nazi victims.
>>>>>> Roet said the average stipend for survivors in Holland, where he was
>>>>>> born, is between $2,740 and $4,110 a month.
>>>>>> Arbel urged Olmert to raise the allowance "for the sake of Jewish
>>>>>> identity and Zionist identity, and so that we can all tell our
>>>>>> grandchildren that we took care of the Holocaust survivors."
>>>>>> "For 42 years I received nothing from the state," survivor Kathleen
>>>>>> Schwartz, 71, told the newspaper Haaretz. "This grant has arrived too
>>>>>> late for thousands of survivors. Time is working against us."
>>>>>> Critics maintain that more of the nearly $80 billion in reparations
>>>>>> Israel has received in compensation from Germany should have gone to the
>>>>>> survivors. A large percentage of the money, which was paid beginning in
>>>>>> the 1950s as Israelis struggled to build their fledgling state, went to
>>>>>> the military and for infrastructure.- Hide quoted text -
>>>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>> Ragland: I don't get it? Assuming the newspaper article is genuine all
>>> it is saying is how
>>> Jews around the world want to declare war on Germany for its
>>> antisemitic policies. Jews
>>> in Nazi Germany were certainly in no position to put up a fight and
>>> neither were later
>>> European Jews when Hitler started WWII. I zoomed in on the newspaper
>>> but it didn't
>>> tell me how the Jews were going to declare war on Nazi Germany; was it
>>> a call for
>>> an international boycott? If so, that surely didn't work. Businesses
>>> like Ford and IBM
>>> actually collaborated with Nazi Germany. What's your hang up man?
>>> Michael Ragland
>> Look it the date and compare it to the date when Hitler came to power,
>> in January 30 of 1933.
>> "On January 30, 1933, Hitler was sworn in as Chancellor"
>> Hitler had no racial policies until the fall of 33'.
>> Jews all ready declared economical war on Germany!
>> JS- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
> 
> The world knew before what Hitler and the Nazi Party policies towards
> Jews
> would be; not good. 

Da world knew? Knew what?
What world, Da Zionist world and their central banking money policies?
There were only 600 thousands Jews lived in Germany before the war and 
some 15 million in the hole world, but you talking as if the Jews were 
every thing.
You are Zionist brainwashed idiot!
JS


This was before he was Chancellor. Then he became
> Chancellor and the Jews took notice. They had taken notice of him
> before
> but he should have been shot. That still may not have stopped the
> Holocaust but at least it would be an effort.
> 
> Michael Ragland
> 
> Michael Ragland
> 


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mragland41@gmail.com wrote:
> On Jul 31, 6:46 pm, Protagonist  wrote:
>> Little Israel getting 30 billions, wow????
>> It's like the total GNP of a small country!
>> JS
>>
>> http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=070729085414.9od3v5wi&show_ar...
>>
>> Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said on Sunday that the United States
>> has agreed a 25 percent increase in its military and defence aid to
>> Israel, to 30 billion dollars in the next 10 years.
>>
>> "In my last meeting with the president of the United States, we agreed
>> that the aid would stand at 30 billion dollars over the next 10 years,
>> meaning over three billion dollars a year, starting next year," he said
>> at the start of his weekly cabinet meeting.
>>
>> "This is an increase of over 25 percent in the military and defence aid
>> of the United States to Israel," he added.
>>
>> Olmert described the new package as a considerable improvement and a
>> very important element for the security of Israel. Current US defence
>> aid to Israel stands at 2.4 billion dollars a year.
> 
> 
> But it is not just any small country. It's tied in with the U.S. war
> on terrorism;

Goes back longer than that, Israel is the creation of Jewnited States of 
America.
Even the British was against it at first.


> hostile or unfriendly surrounding Arab states.

Arabs states are not unfriendly toward the US, but the US create 
tensions in the region with it's unfriendly policies and manipulations.
US aim is the total control of the regions oil reserves, for the future 
supplies for him, it preserves the large economy .

  Most who hate Israel
> hate
> the U.S. government. I hate the U.S. government but in different
> areas.
> 
> Michael Ragland
> 


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mragland41@gmail.com wrote:
> On Jul 31, 9:52 pm, kmc...@shell.vex.net (Kenneth McVay OBC) wrote:
>> In article ,
>> Leading Revisionist Scholar snow  wrote:
>>
>>> That's where we differ. You do the fact checking yourself and I allow people
>>> that know more than I do about the issue and know where to look for the
>>> info, provide information to me. I never demanded that someone checked facts
>>> for me. I politely asked if they could please provide facts, there is a
>>> difference.
>> No, you lied, to wit:
>>
>> Question 1:
>>
>> On July 25, 2007, you made three claims, to wit:
>>
>> 1. That no one was gassed at Auschwitz or Majdanek
>> 2. That the Russians claimed that 6 million were killed at Auschwitz
>> 3. That the "gas chamber in aushwitz were build by russians after the
>>    so called liberation."
>>
>> Please document your claims.
>>
>> Question 2: On July 26, 2007, you wrote:
>>
>> "I am still having a problem with the myth of gassing the jews."
>>
>> Please support your assertion with documentary evidence that homocidal
>> gassings are a "myth."

His talking about the myth of gassing Jews, not
 >> gassings are a "myth, idiot.
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/702775753
JS


>>
>> Question 3:
>>
>> On July 26, 2007, you claimed that, "jews come out with awards so they
>> could award other jews and it is all based on how much you paid and to
>> whom and actually has very little to do with achievements."
>>
>> Please document these claims.
>>
>> Question 4:
>>
>> On July 29, 2007, you claimed, "...McVay in one of the threads stated
>> that 'if you question holocaust then you are automatically anti-Semite."
>>
>> Please provide an exact Google Groups link to any article in which
>> I made such a statement.
>>
>> Question 5:
>>
>> In article ,
>>
>> you wrote:
>>
>> "In 1931 Stromberg v. California, the Jews defended Communists' free speech
>> rights. Six decades later, in R. v. Keegstra, the Jews sued to prevent the
>> teaching of an alternative to the Exterminationist theory known as
>> "Revisionism" -- and won."
>>
>> Please provide documentary evidence that Mr. Keegstra was "sued by Jews" as
>> you claim, and show how the Supreme Court of Canada lied when it said:
>>
>>    Mr. James Keegstra was a high school teacher in Eckville,  
>> Alberta, from the early 1970's until his dismissal in 1982.  
>> In 1984, Mr. Keegstra was charged under s. 319(2) (then  
>> 281.2(2)) of the Criminal Code with unlawfully promoting  
>> hatred against an identifiable group by communicating  
>> anti-Semitic statements to his students. He was convicted by  
>> a jury in a trial before McKenzie J. of the Alberta Court of  
>> Queen's Bench.
>>
>>    Mr. Keegstra's teachings attributed various evil  
>> qualities to Jews. He thus described Jews to his pupils as  
>> ''treacherous'', ''subversive'', ''sadistic'',  
>> ''money-loving'', ''power hungry'' and ''child killers''. He  
>> taught his classes that Jewish people seek to destroy  
>> Christianity and are responsible for depressions, anarchy,  
>> chaos, wars and revolution. According to Mr. Keegstra, Jews  
>> ''created the Holocaust to gain sympathy'' and, in contrast  
>> to the open and honest Christians, were said to be  
>> deceptive, secretive and inherently evil. Mr. Keegstra  
>> expected his students to reproduce his teachings in class  
>> and on exams. If they failed to do so, their marks suffered.
>>
>>    Prior to his trial, Mr. Keegstra applied to the Court of  
>> Queen's Bench in Alberta for an order quashing the charge on  
>> a number of grounds, the primary one being that s. 319(2) of  
>> the Criminal Code unjustifiably infringed his freedom of  
>> expression as guaranteed by s. 2(b) of the Charter. Among  
>> the other grounds of appeal was the allegation that the  
>> defence of truth found in s. 319(3)(a) of the Code violates  
>> the Charter's presumption of innocence. The application was  
>> dismissed by Quigley J., and Mr. Keegstra was thereafter  
>> tried and convicted. He then appealed his conviction to the  
>> Alberta Court of Appeal, raising the same Charter issues.  
>> The Court of Appeal unanimously accepted his argument, and  
>> it is from this judgment that the Crown appeals.
>>
>>    The Attorneys-General of Canada, Quebec, Ontario,  
>> Manitoba and New Brunswick, the Canadian Jewish Congress,  
>> Interamicus, the League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith,  
>> Canada, and the Women's Legal Education and Action Fund  
>> (L.E.A.F.) have intervened in this appeal in support of the  
>> Crown. The Canadian Civil Liberties Association has  
>> intervened in support of striking down the impugned  
>> legislation.
>>
>> Question 6:
>>
>> In article , you wrote:
>>
>> "Why is it that most if not all Holocaust supporting articles are written by
>> Jews or are sponsored by Jewish organization."
>>
>> Please prove your claim by providing data which supports it. List all "Holocaust
>> supporting" articles and document the Jewish background of the authors.
>>
>> Question 7:
>>
>> On July 30, 2007, you wrote:
>>
>> "...it was actually American Jews that sold iron and oil to Nazi
>> Germany by using Sweden as a proxy since American jews couldn't
>> deal directly with Nazi Germany.
>>
>> "Sweden banks that financed it were run by Jews, as well as proxy
>> companies that were setup by jewish bank owners. Swedish people
>> didn't have a clue what was being done behind their backs."
>>
>> Please document these assertions, naming the "American Jews"
>> involved and the Swedish banks that were "setup by Jewish bank
>> owners."
>>
>> --
>> "Pissing in the swimming pool when you are in the water will get you
>> nowhere. Do it from from a 10 meter springboard and everybody will
>> notice you!" (Werner Knoll, Surrey's Leading Revisionist Scholar)
>>            The Nizkor Projecthttp://www.nizkor.org
> 
> 
> 
> A prime whipping boy that Snow. I don't think if a real bull hide whip
> lacerated his
> flesh severely he would understand; he would just be bewildered.
> 
> Michael Ragland
> 


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McVay Da Holcau$ter taling Snow every where.
What's Da matter Mcvay, looking for a pal?
JS

Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
> In article ,
> Leading Revisionist Scholar snow  wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
>> What exactly is the reasoning for you to post this thread, which has been 
>> posted many times already and many times I ignored it and stated that I will 
>> ignore answering or providing any information on these questions. If anyone 
>> is interested in finding the answers to these questions they should be able 
>> to do the research themselves. All I did was to give the idea on what 
>> questions should be asked. 
> 
> No, Leading Revisionist Scholar snow, that is not what you did. What YOU did
> was to write lies and run away from having to account for them.
> 
> Question 1:
> 
> On July 25, 2007, you made three claims, to wit:
> 
> 1. That no one was gassed at Auschwitz or Majdanek
> 2. That the Russians claimed that 6 million were killed at Auschwitz 
> 3. That the "gas chamber in aushwitz were build by russians after the
>    so called liberation."
> 
> Please document your claims.
> 
> Question 2: On July 26, 2007, you wrote:
> 
> "I am still having a problem with the myth of gassing the jews."
> 
> Please support your assertion with documentary evidence that homocidal
> gassings are a "myth."
> 
> Question 3:
> 
> On July 26, 2007, you claimed that, "jews come out with awards so they 
> could award other jews and it is all based on how much you paid and to
> whom and actually has very little to do with achievements."
> 
> Please document these claims.
> 
> Question 4:
> 
> On July 29, 2007, you claimed, "...McVay in one of the threads stated 
> that 'if you question holocaust then you are automatically anti-Semite."
> 
> Please provide an exact Google Groups link to any article in which
> I made such a statement.
> 
> Question 5:
> 
> In article ,
> you wrote:
> 
> "In 1931 Stromberg v. California, the Jews defended Communists' free speech
> rights. Six decades later, in R. v. Keegstra, the Jews sued to prevent the
> teaching of an alternative to the Exterminationist theory known as
> "Revisionism" -- and won."
> 
> Please provide documentary evidence that Mr. Keegstra was "sued by Jews" as
> you claim, and show how the Supreme Court of Canada lied when it said:
> 
>    Mr. James Keegstra was a high school teacher in Eckville,  
> Alberta, from the early 1970's until his dismissal in 1982.  
> In 1984, Mr. Keegstra was charged under s. 319(2) (then  
> 281.2(2)) of the Criminal Code with unlawfully promoting  
> hatred against an identifiable group by communicating  
> anti-Semitic statements to his students. He was convicted by  
> a jury in a trial before McKenzie J. of the Alberta Court of  
> Queen's Bench. 
>   
>    Mr. Keegstra's teachings attributed various evil  
> qualities to Jews. He thus described Jews to his pupils as  
> ''treacherous'', ''subversive'', ''sadistic'',  
> ''money-loving'', ''power hungry'' and ''child killers''. He  
> taught his classes that Jewish people seek to destroy  
> Christianity and are responsible for depressions, anarchy,  
> chaos, wars and revolution. According to Mr. Keegstra, Jews  
> ''created the Holocaust to gain sympathy'' and, in contrast  
> to the open and honest Christians, were said to be  
> deceptive, secretive and inherently evil. Mr. Keegstra  
> expected his students to reproduce his teachings in class  
> and on exams. If they failed to do so, their marks suffered. 
>   
>    Prior to his trial, Mr. Keegstra applied to the Court of  
> Queen's Bench in Alberta for an order quashing the charge on  
> a number of grounds, the primary one being that s. 319(2) of  
> the Criminal Code unjustifiably infringed his freedom of  
> expression as guaranteed by s. 2(b) of the Charter. Among  
> the other grounds of appeal was the allegation that the  
> defence of truth found in s. 319(3)(a) of the Code violates  
> the Charter's presumption of innocence. The application was  
> dismissed by Quigley J., and Mr. Keegstra was thereafter  
> tried and convicted. He then appealed his conviction to the  
> Alberta Court of Appeal, raising the same Charter issues.  
> The Court of Appeal unanimously accepted his argument, and  
> it is from this judgment that the Crown appeals. 
>   
>    The Attorneys-General of Canada, Quebec, Ontario,  
> Manitoba and New Brunswick, the Canadian Jewish Congress,  
> Interamicus, the League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith,  
> Canada, and the Women's Legal Education and Action Fund  
> (L.E.A.F.) have intervened in this appeal in support of the  
> Crown. The Canadian Civil Liberties Association has  
> intervened in support of striking down the impugned  
> legislation. 
>   
> Question 6:
> 
> In article , you wrote:
> 
> "Why is it that most if not all Holocaust supporting articles are written by
> Jews or are sponsored by Jewish organization."
> 
> Please prove your claim by providing data which supports it. List all "Holocaust
> supporting" articles and document the Jewish background of the authors.
> 
> 
> Question 7:
> 
> On July 30, 2007, you wrote:
> 
> "...it was actually American Jews that sold iron and oil to Nazi 
> Germany by using Sweden as a proxy since American jews couldn't 
> deal directly with Nazi Germany.
> 
> "Sweden banks that financed it were run by Jews, as well as proxy 
> companies that were setup by jewish bank owners. Swedish people 
> didn't have a clue what was being done behind their backs."
> 
> Please document these assertions, naming the "American Jews"
> involved and the Swedish banks that were "setup by Jewish bank
> owners."
> 


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ZULU wrote:
> Protagonist wrote:
> 
>> "For 42 years I received nothing from the state," survivor Kathleen 
>> Schwartz, 71, told the newspaper Haaretz. "This grant has arrived too 
>> late for thousands of survivors. Time is working against us."
>>
>> Critics maintain that more of the nearly $80 billion in reparations 
>> Israel has received in compensation from Germany should have gone to 
>> the survivors. A large percentage of the money, which was paid 
>> beginning in the 1950s as Israelis struggled to build their fledgling 
>> state, went to the military and for infrastructure.
> 
> Since Israel didn't even exist during WW II, why ALL THE MONEY OF GERMAN 
> COMPENSATION haven't been distributed to survivors?
> 
> It is largely proved according with Finkelstein that the main profiteers 
> of holocaust industry aren't the survivors.
> 
> BTW I don't remember if my ancestors have received some compensation 
> from Italy because Julius Caesar had made most of them slaves of the 
> Roman Empire.
> 
> Is some New York's court competent to receive some claim about it?

Admiral Durnitz, at the end of the war made an agreement with the 
Allies, that captured Nazis accused of war crimes can only be tried in 
Germany!
When Eichmann were kidnapped from Argentina and had to stand court in 
Israel, Jewish argument was for the right to do that, Israel was not in 
existence  at the end of the war.
But for Holohox money Israel has every right, above any survivors.
JS


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Wonder, why no one made soap out of you McVay?
May be you stink too much!
JS


Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
> In article <1186090516.585065.92590@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
> Leading Revisionist Scholar Jason P   wrote:
>> On Aug 2, 12:13 pm, kmc...@shell.vex.net (Kenneth McVay OBC) wrote:
>>> In article <1186079186.609175.126...@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
>>> Leading Revisionist Scholar Jason P   wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
>>>>> In article <1186018376.195156.278...@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
>>>>> Leading Revisionist Scholar Jason P   wrote:
>>>>>> On Aug 1, 1:42 pm, kmc...@shell.vex.net (Kenneth McVay OBC) wrote:
>>
>>
>> [hogwash excised]
> 
> Still can't bring yourself to deal with the evidence, eh? Whadda surprise.
> 
>>>> Here was the pivotal paragrah that I opened this thread with, which is
>>>> and still remains the subject -- not some *red-herring* of supposed
>>>> Polish scientific data introduced by you, after the thread had begun.
>>>> [quote]
>>>> Mainstream scholars of the Holocaust consider the "Jewish soap legend"
>>>> to be part of the WWII folklore, rather than reflecting the way soap
>>>> was chiefly produced in Germany during the war. [6] Among others this
>>>> view was held by the reputed Jewish historians Walter Laqueur,[7]
>>>> Gitta Sereny,[8] and Deborah Lipstadt.[9] The same view was held by
>>>> Professor Yehuda Bauer of Israel's Hebrew University and by Shmuel
>>>> Krakowski, archives director of Israel's Yad Vashem Holocaust center.
>>>> [10][11][12]
>>>> [/quote]
>>>> Get you head screwed on straight, Obiwan, and then maybe you won't
>>>> allude to redirected subjects and various *red-herrings* of your own
>>>> making.
>>> Not at all - your disengenuous attempts to suggest that the production
>>> of soap from human remains did not occur has been challenged and proven incorrect.
>>>
>> Yes, you are introducing red-herrings, and you can't/won't see it
>> because you are an arrogant, blind-to-reality, biased, piece of racist
>> flotsam. My attempts at getting you to wake-up are not disingenuous,
>> but your unreasonable steadfast and stubborn denial of the facts is!
>> When you accuse others, most often the first place to look is in the
>> mirror, Obiwan.
>>
>> Your racist, religio-centric attitude is obvious to all except
>> yourself. You are a liar, and a deceptive, unreasonable, excuse for a
>> human being. No one believes these Judaic tales of woe and horrific
>> legends, unless they have a vested interest in keeping such myths
>> alive for their private, personal, religious, agenda(s).
> 
> In short, Leading Revisionist Scholar JasonP cannot refute the forensic evidence
> provided.
> 
> Gosh, there's a shocker.
> 
>>> You focus on *one* soap story, rather than both, and you completely
>>> ignore the reason for the widespread belief among Jews that Jewish
>>> remains were used to produce soap.
>>>
>>> Only because the Germans taunted Jewish prisoners at Auschwitz/Birkenau did Jews come to
>>> believe that soap was being made from Jewish fat. It is not at all surprising that they
>>> did so, given the circumstances.
>>>
>>> Holocaust deniers routinely play the same smoke and mirrors game you have offered, in a
>>> lame attempt to discredit Jews and thus the historiography of the Holocaust.
> 
>> You're the one playing the smoke and mirrors, scramble the facts, game
>> -- as witnessed by you proclivity to your cross-posting antics on this
>> NG. You've lost credibility before you even started to debate this
>> issue by virtue of your insane cross-posting gamesmanship. And, you
>> don't even realize it, smart-ass.
>>
>> And further... I'm not playing games with you. You have no respect for
>> the truth, and your entire existence is nothing but a heap of lies,
>> heaped upon still more lies. Go try your racial subterfuge somewhere
>> else, it doesn't work with me.
> 
> In other words, Leading Revisionist Scholar JasonP cannot refute the evidence presented
> in the forensic tests.
> 
> What a surprise.
> 
> http://www.nizkor.org/features/techniques-of-denial/soap-01.html
> 


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It's all about money guy, Jews keep suing even after 500 years, 
polishing their Holohoax museums and laughing all the way to the bank as 
Europeans pay up for return for security from Jewnited States of America.
Start connecting the dots guy, it's very simple.
JS

Don Ocean wrote:
> 
> Like..Who gives a fuck? Those sad and miserable times were over 60 years 
> ago. Nobody here did any of those atrocities and nobody here will ever 
> do any of those atrocities. Are you so fucking hard up for attention 
> that you keep casting this dismal spell over the NG's. Look to a happy 
> now and future with a peaceful world coexistance. That is if you fucking 
> Jews can quit stirring up trouble. I lost more relatives fighting in 
> that war then most Jews lost family members. Its over! Get over it! Move 
> on! Clean out those shithole holocaust museums and help house the 
> homeless and other unfortunates. German families lost whole family 
> namesakes. Germany lost almost an entire generation.
> 
> Ken McVay wrote:
>> [Follow-ups set]
>>
>> August 4
>>
>> 1943
>>
>> The Germans begin the deportation of 8,000-9,500 Jewish men
>> from Vilna to forced-labor camps in Estonia. (USHMM 1993, 40)
>>
>> 1944
>>
>> About 980 Jewish refugees en route to Oswego from Italy
>> arrive at Hoboken, New Jersey, aboard the SS Harry Gibbons.
>> Their journey included a stay of five days in Naples harbor
>> and an Atlantic crossing lasting seventeen days. After a two-
>> day train ride to Oswego, New York, they are quarantined
>> behind six-foot-high chain-link and barbed-wire fences. (See
>> June 9). (USHMM 1994, 54)
>>
>> Anne Frank and her family are denounced and arrested in
>> their Amsterdam hiding place. They are initially deported to
>> Westerbork, arriving in Auschwitz on September 5, together
>> with 1,011 other Jewish prisoners. In October, Anne and her
>> sister are moved to Bergen-Belsen concentration camp.  (Ibid.)
>>
>>
>>                          Work Cited
>>                               USHMM (United States Holocaust Memorial 
>> Museum). Fifty
>>    Years Ago: Darkness Before Dawn: Days of Remembrance, April
>>    3-10, 1994. Washington, D.C.: 1994
>>
>> USHMM (United States Holocaust Memorial Museum). Fifty
>>    Years Ago: Revolt Amid the Darkness: Days of Remembrance,
>>    April 18-25, 1993. Washington, D.C.: 1993


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mragland41@gmail.com wrote:
> On Aug 4, 12:14 am, Don Ocean  wrote:
>> Like..Who gives a fuck? Those sad and miserable times were over 60 years
>> ago. Nobody here did any of those atrocities and nobody here will ever
>> do any of those atrocities. Are you so fucking hard up for attention
>> that you keep casting this dismal spell over the NG's. Look to a happy
>> now and future with a peaceful world coexistance. That is if you fucking
>> Jews can quit stirring up trouble. I lost more relatives fighting in
>> that war then most Jews lost family members. Its over! Get over it! Move
>> on! Clean out those shithole holocaust museums and help house the
>> homeless and other unfortunates. German families lost whole family
>> namesakes. Germany lost almost an entire generation.
> 
> 
> Well, Mr. Ocean the same kind of thinking i.e. antisemitism still
> exists
> almost worldwide. And there is a threat, however, miniscule at the
> moment, of something similar like it happenning again. Hence, the
> reason for Holocaust museums to educate; hence organizations like
> the ADL, B'nai B'rith and others which monitor antisemitism. Surely,
> you've noticed Jew hating on this newsgroup. Holocaust denial
> is like wildfire in the Middle East. It exists in the Catholic Church,
> governments;
> it exists in media. To just look at the now and future with
> peaceful coexistence is a pipedream. Furthermore, it is avoiding
> one's responsibility to highlight antisemitism where it occurs,
> whether
> in this newsgroup or in an institution or media outlet. Maybe you
> don't have the time to devote to this but some do and you really
> have no place criticizing Jews."That is if you fucking Jews can quit
> stirring up trouble." You sound like an antisemite to me.
> 
> 
> Michael Ragland

Raglend you are f**** idiot, you know that?
If not, look in the mirror some times.
JS


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mragland41@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> 
> www.radosh.net/images/hillary_and_natalie.jpg
> 
> 
> The one in pink is Jewish. Would you run her naked through the funnel
> and scare her so bad she pooped?
> Would you watch her physically deteriorate or have her vagina sewed
> up. Would you hack off her arms and legs and burn her more easily.
> Would you tear off her breasts; or let a German Shephard tear her to
> pieces? Would you rape her and slit her jugular or poke a sharp knife
> into her eyeball.
> 
> 
> Michael Ragland
> 

Jew cunt should wear a bra, don't you think!
JS


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mragland41@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> 
> www.radosh.net/images/hillary_and_natalie.jpg
> 
> 
> The one in pink is Jewish. Would you run her naked through the funnel
> and scare her so bad she pooped?
> Would you watch her physically deteriorate or have her vagina sewed
> up. Would you hack off her arms and legs and burn her more easily.
> Would you tear off her breasts; or let a German Shephard tear her to
> pieces? Would you rape her and slit her jugular or poke a sharp knife
> into her eyeball.
> 
> 
> Michael Ragland
> 

Idiotsky, are you talking about the Soviet rapist army?
There are plenty of stories to pick from.
Like, how they raped all the woman in Auschwitz or in Berlin!
But you like to believe in Jewish lies!
JS


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oneeyewotan@gmail.com wrote:
> On 4 elo, 11:05, Protagonist  wrote:
>> It's all about money guy.
> 
> Yes, Ernst Zündel has made a good profit with his holocaust industry.

Aha! Like the Jews, 60 billion + change?
Moron! Zundel is in Jail!
JS


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Finaly not a not lesbian, she likes boys too much!
JS

TurkeyBoy wrote:
> 35 Israeli Soldiers 'Raped 11-yr Old Girl'
> The Mercury News
> 
>>From correspondents in Jerusalem
> 
> It's being described as the worst sexual abuse scandal in the Israeli
> army's history.
> 
> As many as 35 Israeli soldiers are suspected of statutory rape of an
> 11-year-old girl who lived with her family on an air force base in
> southern Israel.
> 
> Defence lawyers say the girl, now in counselling, lied to the soldiers
> about her age, claiming she was older, and that the sex was
> consensual. Regardless, legal experts said the soldiers could still be
> prosecuted for statutory rape.
> 
> The case marks a new low for the military, once Israel's most revered
> institution, tarnished in recent years by incidents of financial
> corruption and sexual misconduct.
> 
> Limited details released by the military indicate at least 17 Israeli
> air force soldiers have been investigated, and several others are
> likely to be called in.
> 
> The girl lived with her family on the base where her father, a career
> military man, served.
> 
> The family has since left the base and the girl is under psychological
> care, the army said.
> 
>  http://www.rense.com/general70/35.htm
> 


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TurkeyBoy wrote:
> On Aug 7, 9:27 am, Protagonist  wrote:
>> Finaly not a not lesbian, she likes boys too much!
>> JS
> 
> You are sick!
> 
> 

 >>now in counselling, lied to the soldiers
about her age, claiming she was older, and that the sex was
consensual. Regardless, legal experts said the soldiers could still be
prosecuted for statutory rape. <<

I guess, she liked to blow 35 foreskinless Jews!
Cleopatra did over 100 soldiers in one night!
JS


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TurkeyBoy wrote:
> On Aug 7, 6:13 pm, kmc...@shell.vex.net (Kenneth McVay OBC) wrote:
> 
> 
> Have a nice zionazi day!
> 
> 

McVay is a sick puppy, he?
JS


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TurkeyBoy wrote:
> On Aug 8, 7:40 am, Protagonist  wrote:
>> TurkeyBoy wrote:
>>> On Aug 7, 9:27 am, Protagonist  wrote:
>>>> Finaly not a not lesbian, she likes boys too much!
>>>> JS
>>> You are sick!
>>  >>now in counselling, lied to the soldiers
>> about her age, claiming she was older, and that the sex was
>> consensual. Regardless, legal experts said the soldiers could still be
>> prosecuted for statutory rape. <<
>>
>> I guess, she liked to blow 35 foreskinless Jews!
>> Cleopatra did over 100 soldiers in one night!
>> JS
> 
> You are just as bad as the zionazis.
> 

Are you a virgin, TurkeyBoy?
JS


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TurkeyBoy wrote:
> On Aug 8, 7:41 am, Protagonist  wrote:
>> TurkeyBoy wrote:
>>> On Aug 7, 6:13 pm, kmc...@shell.vex.net (Kenneth McVay OBC) wrote:
>>> 
>>> Have a nice zionazi day!
>> McVay is a sick puppy, he?
>> JS
> 
> He may be a sick puppy but a happy sick puppy because he gets plenty
> of dog biscuits from his ziomasters.
> 
> McVay sit! Good boy.
> 

i THINK, HIS ZIOMESTers rather throw the bone$ at him him and let him 
fight for it with other Zionist dogs.
JS


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Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
> In article ,
> Leading Revisionist Moron Kurt Knoll, the Village
> Idiot of Kitimat,  wrote:
>> "Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message 
>> news:13bkio0aabnrtd0@corp.supernews.com...
>>> In article ,
>>> Leading Revisionist Scholar snow, a proven liar, 
>>> evaded accountability for his many lies when he wrote:
>>>
>>>> Gas attendant has spoken. Your wisdom is amazing. Can you check the oil
>>>> level also.
>>> (Poor Leading Revisionist Scholar snow is lying again - I am not a gas 
>>> attendant.)
>>>
>>> Leading Revisionist Scholar snow, it would be unfair, not to mention
>>> inconsiderate, for anyone to label you as a liar without giving you
>>> the opportunity to respond by supporting your specious assertions
>>> with documentary evidence.
>>>
>>> Question 1:
>>>
>>> On July 25, 2007, you made three claims, to wit:
>>>
>>> 1. That no one was gassed at Auschwitz or Majdanek
>>> 2. That the Russians claimed that 6 million were killed at Auschwitz
>>> 3. That the "gas chamber in aushwitz were build by russians after the
>>>   so called liberation."
> 
>> Why not. In one stories we hears the Germans destruct or blow up all the 
>> building. The question then is who build what we can see now.
> 
> Leading Revisionist Scholar Kurt Knoll, the Laughing Stock of UseNet, knows
> full well the answer to that question, which is that the NAZIs built what
> we can see now, but he would like you to believe that is not the case.
> 
> LRS Knoll cannot be held responsible; he is, after all, a moron.
> 
Only laughing stock here is you Mcvay and your Zionist friends!
Milking your Canadian gov. for Holohoax money!
JS


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ragland31@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> My preliminary findings suggest most of Benjamin Cramer's "responses"
> range around 30 words; sometimes
> as less than 8 and rarely past 40. I have yet to see an original 200
> word short essay. Chimps have been
> taught limited sign language and on a.r. Cramer has managed to respond
> with less words than arguably
> anybody other than the pure propaganda posters such as Alex Vangel.
> This is highly conducive to trolling;
> it looks like Cramer lights up the A.R. board but when all his words
> are added together; much of them
> redundant, there is not much.
> 
> Michael Ragland
> 

Shows your stupidity, idiot, counting other posters number of words! Haha!
But he has more point than you Ragland!
JS




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Eugene Holman wrote:
> In article <1186711492.281723.310050@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
>  ragland31@gmail.com wrote:
> 
>> My preliminary findings suggest most of Benjamin Cramer's "responses"
>> range around 30 words; sometimes
>> as less than 8 and rarely past 40. I have yet to see an original 200
>> word short essay. Chimps have been
>> taught limited sign language and on a.r. Cramer has managed to respond
>> with less words than arguably
>> anybody other than the pure propaganda posters such as Alex Vangel.
>> This is highly conducive to trolling;
>> it looks like Cramer lights up the A.R. board but when all his words
>> are added together; much of them
>> redundant, there is not much.
> 
> The man has too thin a knowledge base, both qualitatively and 
> quantitatively, and reasoning skills too Neanderthalian to muster up 
> anything more complex, his favorite argumentative strategy being to 
> claim "It's obvious". He refuse to substantiate his claims with any kind 
> of evidence, even if double-dog dared. We have all seen that he is 
> incapable of constructing a logical argument, one of his favorite 
> methodologies for making a point being "Watch this five-minute You-tube 
> video". 
> 
> I took him up on this a few months ago when he was trying to defend the 
> position that the gas attack on the Kurdish city of Halabja in mid-March 
> 1988 could not possibly have been perpetrated by the Iraqis, and that 
> claims that it had been were part of an international Jewish conspiracy 
> to malign Saddam Hussein and thus have the US take him out, thus 
> furthering Israeli interests in the Middle East.
> 
> The five-minute video that Cramer considered to clinch the case was an 
> excerpt from a vociferous but pathetic and sadly illogical former CIA 
> operative, one Stephen Pelletiere. Pelletiere, discounting the testimony 
> of eyewitnesses who say that the airplanes that delivered the poison 
> gasses had clearly visible Iraqi Air Force markings, claims that Iraq 
> could not have carried out the attack because US intelligence and a US 
> military report had concluded: that Iraq did not possess cyanide, and 
> that Iraq had never used cyanide as a weapon before. Thus, Pelletiere 
> argues, Iran, which had cyanide as well as a record of previously having 
> it used militarily, had to be the perpetrator.
> 
> The leading authority on the attack and its aftermath, Professor 
> Christine Gosden of Liverpool University, has a different take on the 
> matter. Having studied the evidence left by the attack as well as 
> followed up the long-term effects it has had on its victims, Prof. 
> Gosden argues that the attack did not merely involve cyanide, itself an 
> easily manufactured or otherwise obtained industrial chemical, but 
> rather was perpetrated using a cocktail of poison gasses, only one 
> component of which was cyanide. She also notes that Iraq possesses 
> sufficient expertise in chemical engineering, as well as the necessary 
> industrial facilities that are needed to put together such a cocktail. 
> There is no evidence precluding the possibility of Iraq having carried 
> the attack.

Holman the Negro idiot!
Did they found the WMD's yet in Iraq?
Second, Sadam was hanged, because his signature was found (can be 
fabricated)executing 144 Kurdish civilians found in a mass grave.
Gassing a Kurdish village was a US propaganda, against Sadam!
But an idiot Negro like you, believe any thing!
JS



> 
> Additionally, it must be added, that CIA intelligence and US military 
> reports are, by definition, compiled from less than complete data and, 
> even in optimal cases, are only accurate as of the date the information 
> was obtained. Cramer thinks that if Iraq lacked, or seemed to lack, 
> cyanide on February 15, 1988, and had no previous history of having used 
> it as a weapon, then they could not have obtained it and made the 
> decision to use it as a weapon after that date but before the attack. 
> Neither does he allow for the possibility that the intelligence on Iraq 
> could have been inaccurate or contained disinformation. He has this 
> "make up your mind" mentality that cannot seem to grasp that a complex 
> situation at point in time t might have evolved into something quite 
> different at point in time t+x. Applying his mode of reasoning to a 
> different complex and evolving situation, Japanese military intelligence 
> as of August 1, 1945 would have stated with confidence that the United 
> States had no atomic weapons and had no previous history of having used 
> a nuclear device as a weapon. Thus, according to Cramer-type logic, the 
> atomic bombings of Hiroshima on August 8, 1945, and of Nagasaki on 
> August 10, 1945 (which we should be thinking about today, 62 years 
> later), could not possibly have been carried out by the United States.
> 
> When the flaws in his argument were pointed out, Cramer responded to 
> them by quipping that Dr. Gosden facial features look like those of a 
> Jew, so whatever she has to say about the matter has to be discounted. 
> He had nothing to say at all when I countered with the remark that it 
> was extremely improbable that a Jew would have the given name 
> 'Christina'. Indeed, after I had brought this point up, he ranted that I 
> was 'dishonest', 'deceitful', 'closed-minded', and a 'fraud'.
> 
> I rest my case.
> 
> Regards,
> Eugene Holman


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Eugene Holman wrote:
> In article ,
>  Protagonist  wrote:
> 
>> Eugene Holman wrote:
>>> In article <1186711492.281723.310050@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
> 
>> Holman the Negro idiot!
>> Did they found the WMD's yet in Iraq?
> 
> No, they did not. But that does not mean that Iraq never had them. After 
> all, during the Iraq-Iran war the United States supported Iraq and 
> provided it with all kinds of sophisticated weaponry.
> 
>> Second, Sadam was hanged, because his signature was found (can be 
>> fabricated)executing 144 Kurdish civilians found in a mass grave.
>> Gassing a Kurdish village was a US propaganda, against Sadam!
> 
> There is no denying the fact that the village was gassed, or that a 
> rather nasty cocktail of poison gasses was concocted to ensure that 
> there would be no simple antidote. For details, see 
> http://judiciary.senate.gov/oldsite/gosden.htm. For a more personal 
> account, see http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/27a/016.html.
> 
>> But an idiot Negro like you, believe any thing!
> 
> Saddam was ousted, discovered, captured, humiliated, tried, convicted, 
> sentenced, and hanged because the US no longer needed or could control 
> him. But that has nothing to do with the gas attack on Halabja, the 
> effects of which are still very much with the victims almost twenty 
> years later, kedves barátam.

Both used gas, Iran and Iraq, Halabja was caught in the cross fire.
But only Iraq was blamed.
Also, you forget after the Golf war and even now, Turkey bombed the 
separatist Kurds in Iraq many times.
Turkey had many military raids into Iraq under the watchfully eye of the 
US, without any complaines.
Of course Turkey is a Nato member, it can get away with anything.
Balfasz Holmes, you like to preach what is convenient for you.
JS


> 
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Eugene Holman


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ragland31@gmail.com wrote:
> On Aug 9, 10:44 pm, Protagonist  wrote:
>> raglan...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> My preliminary findings suggest most of Benjamin Cramer's "responses"
>>> range around 30 words; sometimes
>>> as less than 8 and rarely past 40. I have yet to see an original 200
>>> word short essay. Chimps have been
>>> taught limited sign language and on a.r. Cramer has managed to respond
>>> with less words than arguably
>>> anybody other than the pure propaganda posters such as Alex Vangel.
>>> This is highly conducive to trolling;
>>> it looks like Cramer lights up the A.R. board but when all his words
>>> are added together; much of them
>>> redundant, there is not much.
>>> Michael Ragland
>> Shows your stupidity, idiot, counting other posters number of words! Haha!
>> But he has more point than you Ragland!
>> JS- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
> 
> 
> Go away Neo-Nazi.
> 
> Michael Ragland
> 

F*** off stupido, Jew lier!
JS


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B'inyamin Cramer wrote:
> 
>  wrote in message 
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>>
>>
>> My preliminary findings suggest most of Benjamin Cramer's "responses"
>> range around 30 words; sometimes
>> as less than 8 and rarely past 40. I have yet to see an original 200
>> word short essay.
> 
> What I need to say only takes a few words, Michael m'dear.
> 
> A Holman I'm not.
> 
> Why would I waste my time, writing a 2,500 word diatribe which actually 
> says nothing?

That's Holman's style!
Yep-yep-yep, but say nothing!
JS


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Pfuendl A.J. wrote:
> 
>  schrieb im Newsbeitrag 
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>>
>>
>> Curly
>> Protagonist
>> Benjamin Cramer
>> TOPAZ
>> Waldo
>> Snow
>>
> 
> 
> Kurt Knoll 95 Lillooet Street Kitimat B.C. Canada V8C-1Z6
> 
> 
> 

Are you planning to visit Mr. Knoll?
JS



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ragland31@gmail.com wrote:
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> If Jews are such an abonimation then why did God create them?
> 
> Michael Ragland
> 

Why did God create monkeys or cockroaches for?
Same thing!
JS


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Hey Ragland!
Are you the re-incarnation of McVay?
I see you posting lot of crap on AR, mostly from Jewish sources, 
standard Holohoax stories.
You know guy, all this stuff has been chewed and spit out over and over 
again many times.
Come up with some thing new, please!
Idiot!!!!!
You are like RJ, who posts the same God damn pictures over and over 
again, same pictures of typhus victims in mass graves from 
Bergen-Belsen, claiming Germans starved and murdered these inmates.
Are you stupid or what?
JS




ragland31@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Treblinka
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Approaching the Treblinka Camp
> The Entrance to the Treblinka
> Treblinka Memorial Stones
> Stone Sculptures at Treblinka
> Symbolic Cemetery at Treblinka
> Stone Honoring Janusz Korczak
> Warsaw Stone
> 
> 
> For the first 20 to 25 years after World War II, the survivors of the
> Holocaust mostly kept silent about their horrendous experiences in the
> concentration camps. In those years, the only Nazi concentration camp
> names that were familiar to most Americans were Dachau, Buchenwald and
> Bergen-Belsen, the places that were shown in the newsreels in movie
> theaters following their liberation by American and British troops.
> Who could ever forget the sight of the naked, emaciated bodies being
> shoved into mass graves with a bulldozer at Bergen-Belsen? Or Margaret
> Bourke-White's shocking photographs of the survivors of Buchenwald?
> 
> Back then, few people in America had ever heard of Treblinka, a camp
> hidden in the remote forests of northeastern Poland, along the western
> border of the Bialystok province. Most Americans believed, up until
> the mid 1970s, that the majority of the 6 million Jews, who were
> victims of the Holocaust, had died in the gas chambers at the Dachau
> camp near Munich, Germany. The only camp mentioned in the 1970s movie
> "Judgment at Nuremberg" was Dachau.
> 
> Now it is known that Dachau and Buchenwald, although horrible places
> where many people died, were concentration camps
> (Konzentrationslager), not extermination centers (Vernichtungslager)
> designed for the express purpose of annihilating all the Jews of
> Europe. Bergen-Belsen, the most horrible camp of them all, was called
> an internment camp for prisoner exchange (Aufenthaltslager) and later
> became a sick camp (Krankenlager) where concentration camp prisoners
> who were no longer able to work were sent.
> 
> According to Raul Hilberg in his book The Destruction of the European
> Jews, there were six extermination centers, all of them in Poland,
> including the little-known camp at Treblinka. The other extermination
> camps were at Belzec, Sobibor, Chelmno, Majdanek and Auschwitz-
> Birkenau, all in Russian-liberated Poland. The last two also
> functioned as forced labor camps (Zwangsarbeitslager), and were still
> operational when liberated by Russian soldiers towards the end of the
> war in 1944 and early 1945. The camps at Treblinka, Belzec, Sobibor
> and Chelmno had already been liquidated by the Germans before the
> Russians arrived, and there was no remaining evidence of the Nazi
> atrocities.
> 
> An information pamphlet available at the entrance to the former camp
> site at Treblinka says, "In a relatively short time of its existence
> the camp took a total of over 800,000 victims of Jews from Poland,
> Austria, Belgium, Czechoslovakia, France, Greece, Jugoslavia, Germany
> and the Soviet Union."
> 
>>From Warsaw, the route to Treblinka starts with the crossing of the
> river Vistula, then a turn onto Highway 18 northeast towards
> Bialystok, the only large town in the Bialystok province, which is the
> most remote northeast corner of Poland. It is in the Bialystok
> province that bison still roam, and one can see the last remaining
> primeval forest and wetlands on the European continent. This area
> could truly be called the "Wild East" of Poland.
> 
> Treblinka is near the Bug River which, during World War II, formed the
> border between the Nazi occupied General Government of Poland and the
> zone occupied by the Russians from September 1939 until the German
> invasion of Russia in June 1941.
> 
> Highway 18 is a two-lane concrete road with pedestrian paths on each
> side. There is heavy traffic of trucks from Belarus (Byelorussia or
> White Russia) and Estonia traveling west into Poland; traffic is
> slowed down by local Polish farmers driving wagons pulled by tractors
> or by a lone horse. The terrain is completely flat with farm land on
> each side of the road but not a fence in sight. Then the road goes
> through mile after mile of dense forest. During the war these woods
> were full of Polish and Jewish partisans, who hid there along with
> escaped Russian Prisoners of War, and fought the Nazis by blowing up
> bridges and train tracks or placing land mines to kill columns of
> German soldiers.
> 
> At a point 22 kilometers from Treblinka, the route turns southeast off
> of Highway 18. This new road is a one-lane blacktop with no space on
> the sides for pedestrians. The road gets progressively worse until the
> final leg of the journey is pockmarked with pot holes.
> 
> The Treblinka camp got its name from the tiny village of Treblinka,
> the closest town to Malkinia railroad junction, from where trains,
> carrying thousands of Jews crammed into freight cars, were shunted
> onto a sidetrack which the Nazis extended to the extermination camp.
> However, the closest inhabited place on the road to the camp is the
> equally tiny hamlet of Poniatowa. As you can see in the pictures
> below, the road as it nears the camp becomes a one-lane blacktop,
> badly in need of repair.
> 
> The first two pictures below were taken in the village of Poniatowa.
> During the Nazi occupation of Poland there was a forced labor camp at
> Poniatowa; in November 1943 the Jewish prisoners there were shot after
> prison revolts and mass escapes at the Treblinka and Sobibor camps
> alarmed the Nazis.
> 
> The village of Treblinka is now almost deserted and the buildings are
> far more dilapidated than those in Poniatowa. The last picture in the
> series shows a house in Poniatowa, which is built of wood with painted
> shutters, at the edge of the road with a fence enclosing a small patch
> of flowers. Some of these rural dwellings are so humble that you would
> not suspect that people still live there if it were not for the lace
> curtains which are always hung in the windows of these cottages. Note
> the cobblestones along the edge of the road, which you can see clearly
> in the last picture.
> 
> 
> 
> Narrow blacktop road through village of Poniatowa where Jews were shot
> at labor camp
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Houses along blacktop road in village of Poniatowa near Treblinka camp
> 
> 
> 
> Cottage in village of Poniatowa on the way to Treblinka extermination
> camp
> Approaching the Treblinka Camp
> As you get near the village of Treblinka, there is a line of beautiful
> chestnut trees alongside the road on the right. You see old men
> walking along the road, carrying bundles of sticks on their backs.
> There are farm families digging potatoes and burning the dried potato
> vines in the fields. Occasionally, you see a stork's nest on a roof
> near the chimney, or a large ant hill at the edge of a forest,
> surrounded by a tiny log fence for protection. There are old wooden
> Catholic churches and white cottages with thatched roofs along the
> road. Telephone poles are topped with glass insulators, the kind you
> see for sale in antique stores in America. The farther you travel down
> this road, the farther you seem to go back in time.
> 
> Near Malkinia Junction, the road now has ancient concrete barriers to
> prevent cars from leaving the road, and quaint old railroad crossing
> signs. From this junction, a branch line runs south from the Ostbahn
> (Eastern Railroad line) to the village of Treblinka.
> 
> Finally you get to a narrow archway over the road, the purpose of
> which is to keep vehicles larger than 2.5 tons from proceeding beyond
> this point. Just before you get to the camp, you must cross a one-lane
> railroad bridge that was formerly used by both trains and cars, but is
> now used only by cars and pedestrians. According to Martin Gilbert in
> his book Holocaust Journey, this bridge was rebuilt some time after
> 1959, after it was destroyed during World War II.
> 
> The surface of the bridge is made of wood and the train tracks are not
> level, which would cause any train using the bridge to list to one
> side. The tracks of the railroad lines in Germany and Poland were
> then, and still are today, a different width than the tracks across
> the eastern border of the Bialystok District in what used to be the
> Soviet Union, and is now the country of Byelorussia, formerly called
> White Russia. According to my tour guide, today trains from Germany or
> Poland must stop at the Bialystok eastern border and change to wider
> wheels which can run on the tracks in Russia. In 1941, it was
> necessary for the German invading army to extend the Polish gauge
> tracks into Russia, as they advanced. The poor condition of the roads
> in Poland and Russia hampered the advancing Germany troops when their
> vehicles would become mired in three feet of mud. Three kilometers
> from Treblinka was located the main railroad line into Russia, through
> the Bialystok province.
> 
> After the joint conquest of Poland by the Germans and the Russians in
> September 1939, the river Bug (pronounced Boog) became the border
> between the German section and the Russian section of occupied Poland;
> then the Nazis invaded the Soviet Union in June 1941 and conquered the
> strip of eastern Poland that was formerly occupied by the Russians.
> Treblinka was in the former Russian section, but by 1942 it was
> occupied by the Nazis, who were then in a position to put their plan
> to exterminate the Jews into effect. The other two Operation Reinhard
> extermination camps (Sobibor and Belzec) were also located along the
> Bug river border, south of Treblinka.
> 
> Hardly more than a creek, the Bug is shallow enough in some places so
> that one can wade across it, and according to historian Martin
> Gilbert, some refugees, from both sides, did wade across. The movie
> "Europa, Europa" has a scene in which Jewish refugees are shown
> walking toward the Russian sector, trying to escape the Nazis in
> September 1939 by crossing the Bug river on rafts.
> 
> The pictures below show the archway, the bridge and the river, taken
> on the return trip from Treblinka.
> 
> 
> Newly constructed arch over road to Treblinka camp prevents buses and
> trucks from entering
> 
> 
> Narrow one lane bridge over Bug river used by trains, cars and
> pedestrians
> 
> 
> Tilted train tracks on bridge over Bug river, shown to the right
> The Entrance to the Treblinka Extermination Camp
> When you finally arrive at the entrance to the site of the former
> Treblinka extermination camp, you are on what looks like an old
> logging road, which goes through another dense forest. If you had
> wandered into this area by mistake, you might think that you had just
> entered a campground in a national forest. Everything is quiet and
> serene with only the sound of a few birds.
> 
> The caretaker's house is on the right as you enter, and there is a
> small wooden building with a sign on it which says Bistro. After my
> visit to the camp, I stopped there for a cup of tea, but the place was
> closed. Just beyond the Bistro is a narrow parking lot and a small
> building where you can buy postcards or a three-page pamphlet printed
> in several languages. There is a covered arcade area open to the
> elements in front of the building, where huge blowups of several
> famous Holocaust pictures are hung, along with a poster with some
> information about Janusz Korczak, a Jewish director of an orphanage,
> who accompanied a group of orphans to the Treblinka camp, and died
> along with them.
> 
> The pictures below show the entrance road and the Bistro, taken as I
> was leaving the camp. The picture of the reception building was taken
> as I entered the camp.
> 
> 
> Entrance to Treblinka camp, taken from inside the camp
> 
> 
> Bistro at entrance to Treblinka camp is only place that sells
> refreshments
> 
> 
> Tourist center at Treblinka which sells pamphlets and postcards
> Treblinka Memorial Stones
> According to a pamphlet which I purchased at the camp tourist center,
> "The extermination camp in Treblinka was built in the middle of 1942
> near the already existing labour camp. It was surrounded by fence and
> rows of barbed wire along which there were watchtowers with machine
> guns every ten metres. The main part of the camp constituted (sic) two
> buildings in which there were 13 gas chambers altogether. Two thousand
> people could be put to death at a time in them. Death by suffocation
> with fumes came after 10 - 15 minutes. First the bodies of the victims
> were buried, later were cremated on big grates out of doors. The ashes
> were mixed witch (sic) sand and buried in one spot."
> 
> According to Martin Gilbert in his book, Holocaust Journey, the gas
> chambers at Treblinka utilized carbon monoxide from diesel engines.
> Many writers say that these diesel engines were obtained from captured
> Russian submarines, but according to the Nizkor Project, they were
> large 500 BHP engines from captured Soviet T-34 tanks. At the
> Nuremberg trial of the Nazi war criminals, the American government
> charged that the Jews were murdered at Treblinka in "steam chambers,"
> not gas chambers.
> 
> The pamphlet continues with this information: "Killing took place with
> great speed. The whole process of killing the people, starting from
> thier (sic) arrival at the camp railroad till removing the corpses
> from the gas chambers, lasted about 2 hours. Treblinka was known among
> the Nazis as an example of good organization of a death camp. It was a
> real extermination centre."
> 
> The first picture below shows the large memorial stone at the entrance
> to the cobblestone path up to the virtual cemetery. On the stone is a
> map showing the gravel pit in the center with the labor camp to the
> left and the extermination camp to the right. (On a real map, the
> gravel pit and labor camp are located to the south of the
> extermination camp.)
> 
> The next picture shows, in the background, two stones placed at an
> angle to form a gate into the former camp, and in the foreground 6
> memorial stones, set close together, which are located just beyond the
> stone with the map, shown in the immediate foreground. Each of the six
> stones is inscribed with a different language including Hebrew,
> English and Polish. The inscription says that the camp was in
> operation from July 1942 to August 1943 and that during that time
> 800,000 Jews were killed there. It also mentions the Aug. 2, 1943
> uprising, calling it the "armed revolt which was crashed (sic) in
> blood by the Nazi hangmen." It was this uprising, along with those at
> Sobibor and Warsaw, which motivated the Nazis to liquidate the Jews of
> Lublin and Poniatowa in November 1943.
> 
> The pamphlet says that "After the riot the camp was being slowly
> liquidated and in November of 1943 it was not existing already." By
> this time, the Germans were losing the war on the Russian front and
> were in retreat. The Treblinka camp was completely dismantled and
> destroyed when it was liquidated. Among the few survivors were those
> who escaped during the uprising and joined the partisans in the
> forests.
> 
> The last picture shows the forest, looking toward the east, on the
> left side of the cobblestone path as you enter, with a line of stone
> markers which delineate the original northern border of the camp. It
> is so quiet here that the only sound is your own footsteps on the
> cobblestone path.
> 
> 
> 
> Memorial stone at entrance to Treblinka extermination camp
> 
> 
> 
> Two stones set as entrance gate and 6 stones with inscription in
> foreground
> 
> 
> 
> Line of stones marks boundary line of Treblinka extermination camp in
> forest
> Stone Sculptures at Treblinka
> According to Jewish historian Martin Gilbert, the Treblinka camp was
> one of the three Operation Reinhard camps organized by Odilo Globocnik
> in 1942, after the assassination of Reinhard Heydrich in Prague, to
> carry out the Nazi plan for systematic extermination of the Jews.
> Reinhard Heydrich was the man who led the conference on January 20,
> 1942 at Wannsee, a suburb of Berlin, where the "Final Solution" for
> Europe's 11 million Jews was planned. The protocols from the
> conference used the expression "transportation to the East" as a
> euphemism to mean the genocidal killing of all the European Jews. The
> other two Operation Reinhard camps, Sobibor and Belzec, were also
> located on the eastern border of Poland, to the south of Treblinka.
> There were no "selections" made at the Operation Reinhard camps, nor
> at Chelmno. All three Operation Reinhard camps were located on major
> railroad lines from Poland into Russia.
> 
> At this point in the war, the Nazis had penetrated deep inside the
> Soviet Union, after first taking the lands in eastern Poland which had
> been conquered by the Russians in Sept. 1939. Treblinka was located in
> the area of Poland which had been occupied by the Soviet Union from
> Sept. 1939 until the German invasion of Russia on June 22, 1941.
> 
> The railroad tracks go in a straight line to Malkinia Junction from
> Warsaw and then branch off to Treblinka.
> 
> In 1942 new railroad tracks were built by the Nazis, extending from
> the village of Treblinka into the extermination camp. At the camp, a
> storehouse was "disguised as a train station," according to the
> pamphlet available at the memorial site.
> 
> After you pass through the two stones set at an angle to form an
> entrance gate into the area where the Treblinka camp once stood, you
> come upon an immense stone sculpture designed to represent the
> railroad ties on which the tracks were laid on the spur line that the
> Germans built from Treblinka into the camp. The tracks begin in the
> wooded area outside the camp boundary line, as the first picture below
> shows, and then make a sharp turn to the left (eastward) into the
> camp, as shown in the second picture. The second picture shows the
> camp boundary line represented by a series of stone markers.
> 
> The third picture shows the end of the railroad spur line with a stone
> platform to the left. When the camp was in operation, there was a real
> train platform in this spot and behind it the storehouse, disguised as
> a train depot, which contained the clothing and other items which the
> victims had brought with them to the camp. In the background of the
> third picture, you can see a line of stones which represent the 10
> different countries, including Greece, Czechoslovakia, Poland,
> Bulgaria and others, from which the Jews were transported by train to
> be exterminated here in this remote, God-forsaken spot in the forest.
> 
> 
> 
> Stones recreate railroad ties for the tracks which extended into
> Treblinka camp
> 
> 
> 
> Stone railroad ties make sharp turn and continue inside camp boundary
> marked by large stones
> 
> 
> 
> Polish students stand where fake station once stood behind recreated
> stone platform
> Symbolic Cemetery at Treblinka
> Just south of the recreated stone train platform, and in front of you
> as you are looking southward into the camp with the platform on the
> left, is the location of the "burial pits for those who died during
> transportation," according to the camp pamphlet.
> 
> East of the burial pits, according to the pamphlet, was an "execution
> site (disguised as a hospital)." Farther east and half way up the
> gentle slope to where the symbolic graveyard now stands, there were "3
> old gas chambers" according to the pamphlet, and a short distance to
> the north of them were built "10 new gas chambers." According to my
> tour guide, the first gas chambers used carbon monoxide, but later
> some gas chambers were built which were disguised to look like showers
> and used the insecticide known as Zyklon B for gassing.
> 
> A short distance farther up the slope to the east of the gas chambers
> was located the "cremation pyres" according to a map in the camp
> pamphlet. None of the three Operation Reinhard extermination camps,
> all of which were located on the Polish border, had a crematorium for
> burning the bodies of the dead. Of the other five extermination camps
> which were in operation during the same period (Chelmno, Sobibor,
> Belzec, Majdanek and Auschwitz-Birkenau), only Auschwitz-Birkenau and
> Majdanek, which also functioned as forced labor camps, had
> crematoriums.
> 
> The first picture below shows a close-up of the stones commemorating
> the Jewish victims from Poland and Czechoslovakia. There are a total
> of 10 such stones with names of countries on them. According to Martin
> Gilbert in his book Holocaust Journey, there were 13,000 Jews deported
> here from the Greek provinces of Macedonia and Thrace, which were then
> occupied by Bulgaria, so their stone says "Bulgaria." (Bulgaria was an
> ally of Nazi Germany, along with Rumania, Hungary, Croatia, Slovakia,
> Finland, Italy, Austria, Lithuania, Estonia, and Latvia.) There is
> another stone for the 43,000 Greek Jews who were brought here. At the
> base of the stones, visitors have placed votive candles in metal cans,
> fresh cut flowers and tiny flags of Israel.
> 
> The second picture shows a large granite memorial stone, designed to
> resemble a Jewish tombstone, which according to the camp pamphlet was
> built between 1959 and 1963. It is located approximately on the spot
> where the gas chambers stood, according to the tour guide. The view in
> the second picture is from the front side of the memorial, and you can
> see some of the stones of the symbolic cemetery behind it. Note the
> votive candles placed between the cracks and the flowers left at the
> base.
> 
> The third picture shows the back side of the memorial tombstone,
> looking westward towards the memorial stones with 10 country names at
> the bottom of the slope. Notice the Menorah at the top of the
> tombstone. The large crack down the middle of the stone is part of the
> design. Surrounding the huge tombstone are some of the 1,700 small
> stones which represent the villages and towns from whence came the
> 800,000 victims of this Nazi barbarity.
> 
> 
> 
> Stones which commemorate the Jewish victims from Poland and
> Czechoslovakia
> 
> 
> 
> Front of stone monument at Treblinka symbolic graveyard
> 
> 
> 
> Back side of stone monument, surrounded by symbolic grave stones, at
> Treblinka
> Stone Honoring Janusz Korczak
> Located on a knoll at the top of a gentle slope on the site of the
> former Treblinka extermination camp is a large circular area with
> 1,700 stones of various sizes and colors set into concrete, which
> represent a symbolic cemetery. According to a pamphlet which I
> purchased at the camp reception center, "The great monument in
> Treblinka is a homage of the Polish people to those ashes lie under
> the concrete plates of the symbolic cemetery. It is one of the most
> tragic monuments of martyrdom in Poland."
> 
> My tour guide confirmed that the ashes of the 800,000 people who died
> here were placed in this area and are now hidden underneath the
> symbolic cemetery and by the grass and tiny flowers which cover the
> spot. The map in the camp pamphlet does not specify the exact spot
> where the ashes were buried.
> 
> The tour guide pointed out one of the 1,700 symbolic stones which
> represents the city of Kielce in central Poland, where 42 Jews were
> killed by a mob of Polish citizens in a pogrom on July 4, 1946, long
> after the Nazi occupation had ended. Today Kielce is a modern
> industrial city with a population of 210,000, located between Warsaw
> and Krakow. In 1939, the Jewish population was around 25,000, although
> until the early 1800s, Jews were barred from living in the city. The
> 1946 pogrom was the last in Poland; after that most of the 300,000
> Polish Holocaust survivors fled the country.
> 
> The first picture below shows just one section of the vast collection
> of 17,000 stones, representing the cities and villages which were the
> home towns of the victims. Only 130 of the stones have place names on
> them.
> 
> The second picture shows the stone for Janusz Korczak, the only person
> to have an individual stone in the symbolic cemetery. Korczak was a
> pseudonym for Dr. Henryk Goldzmit. He was a teacher and a social
> worker who ran an orphanage in Warsaw. He also did a weekly radio show
> for children, and wrote a series of children's books in which the
> central character was a boy king named King Matt. In July 1942, he
> turned down the opportunity to escape from the ghetto, and instead
> accompanied his orphans to Treblinka where he was murdered along with
> them. According to the U.S. Holocaust Museum, Korczak marched with his
> 192 orphans to the Umschlagplatz with one child carrying the flag of
> King Matt with the Zionist flag on the other side of it.
> 
> The third picture below represents the cremation pit where, according
> to the camp pamphlet, bodies were burned on "grates." The picture
> shows what the pamphlet calls "melted basalt" set on a "concrete
> fundamental plate." In the background of the picture, you can see four
> round containers where "eternal flames" can be lit on special
> occasions. The map in the camp pamphlet shows that there were actually
> two cremation pyres, located just east of the 10 new gas chambers. The
> bodies which had been previously buried were dug up and cremated on
> the orders of Heinrich Himmler, after he visited the camp in 1943,
> according to Martin Gilbert.
> 
> 
> 
> 1,700 stones set in concrete in a circle at the top of hill in former
> Treblinka camp
> 
> 
> 
> Individual stone honors Janusz Korczak who accompanied orphans to
> Treblinka
> 
> 
> 
> Memorial stones of basalt recreate pits where bodies were burned in
> Treblinka
> Warsaw Stone
> The largest stone at the symbolic cemetery is the one for Warsaw, from
> where the largest number of Jews were transported to Treblinka.
> According to historian Martin Gilbert, there were 265,000 Jews from
> Warsaw deported to Treblinka. In 1940 the Jewish population of Warsaw
> and the surrounding area, about 400,000 people, were first crowded
> into a walled ghetto, then later sent to Treblinka and other camps.
> According to my tour guide, there are today around 4,000 Jews living
> in Warsaw, but only 500 of them go to the Synagogue regularly.
> 
> The first picture below shows the large stone dedicated to the victims
> from Warszawa, the Polish name for the city that Americans know as
> Warsaw. Note the two flags of Israel and the small metal cans holding
> votive candles, left by recent visitors. This stone is the first one
> you see, right in front of the large memorial tombstone.
> 
> The second picture shows more stones under a majestic tree in the back
> portion of the symbolic cemetery, behind the simulated cremation pit.
> According to the map in the camp pamphlet, the area behind the
> symbolic cremation pit was where the bodies were buried before they
> were dug up and cremated.
> 
> The third picture is a close-up of the stones under the tree. As you
> can see, very few of the stones have names of the towns they
> represent. According to my tour guide, many relatives of those who
> died here come to the symbolic cemetery and are disappointed to find
> that their village is not named on any of the stones.
> 


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I see, You like to read the Cabinet magazine! Hehe!
http://www.cabinetmagazine.org/issues/5/dedemonization.php
JS


ragland31@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> The De-Demonization of Evil: Banality, Arendt, Sartre
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Ulrich Baer
> 
> 
> 
> 
> The problem of evil will be the fundamental question of postwar
> intellectual life in Europe—as death became the fundamental problem
> after the last war.1
> — Hannah Arendt, 1945
> 
> Evil is never "radical," ...it is only extreme, and... it possesses
> neither depth nor any demonic dimension... It is "thought-
> defying"...because thought tries to reach some depth, to go to the
> roots, and the moment it concerns itself with evil, it is frustrated
> because there is nothing. That is its "banality."2
> Hannah Arendt, 1964
> 
> The phrase "the banality of evil" appears as the subtitle of Hannah
> Arendt's notorious report on the trial against Adolf Eichmann, one of
> the principal organizers of the Holocaust.3 Starting with the 1963
> publication of Arendt's hugely controversial Eichmann in Jerusalem: A
> Report on the Banality of Evil, the world which had not been
> preoccupied with the Holocaust in the 1950s suddenly sought to
> conceptualize the evil that had erupted in its midst. In the Nuremberg
> trials, the Nazis' crimes against Europe's Jews had not been a central
> issue, but were treated as one among several offenses. As the first
> global media event, covered by over 400 journalists and broadcast
> nightly on radio and television, the Eichmann trial revealed that the
> German crimes "constituted an 'unmastered past' [not only for Germans
> or Jews but] for the rest of the world."4
> 
> Arendt's expression is found only in the final sentence of her book
> (originally published as several essays in the New Yorker), where she
> writes of "the lesson that this long course in human wickedness had
> taught us—the lesson of the fearsome, word-and-thought-defying
> banality of evil."5 In her attempt to cut through the "word-and-
> thought-defying" manifestation of evil, Arendt described Eichmann as a
> man responsible for the deaths of millions yet distinct only in his
> blandness, his mediocrity, his averageness. Arendt investigated how a
> totalitarian state could turn seemingly ordinary citizens into
> criminals. In the course of this investigation, Arendt debunked the
> image of the demonic Nazi because this image prevented the badly
> needed analysis of the "total moral collapse" that had occurred in
> Germany during the war.
> 
> Arendt's trial report met with an unprecedented attack by leading
> intellectuals. These attacks were prompted by Arendt's sober and, for
> many, callous remarks about Jewish leaders under Nazi rule and the
> Jews' "participation" in their own destruction. Arendt emphatically
> distinguished her arguments about Jewish leaders under Nazi oppression
> from the courtroom tactics of Israeli state prosecutor Gideon Hausner.
> His questions to survivors about their failure to resist were intended
> to highlight acts of resistance and thus contribute to a narrative of
> Jewish resistance; Arendt considered his remarks "silly and cruel."6
> Nonetheless, Arendt's insistence on the right to judge the behavior of
> Jewish leaders under Nazi control was considered a kind of moral
> grandstanding that prompted outrage among leading thinkers, including
> some of Arendt's oldest friends. Arendt claimed this right to judge
> independently also in the case of Eichmann. Her portrayal of Eichmann
> as a figure at odds with the established mold of the monstrous Nazi
> was considered an insult to the victims and an apology for the
> perpetrator.
> 
> In her book's epilogue Arendt expressed astonishment that the phrase
> "the banality of evil" did not provoke "an authentic controversy" and
> that the campaign against Eichmann in Jerusalem, which remained a
> polemical rather than intellectual debate, had been prompted by her
> few comments about Jewish leadership during the war.7 There is a
> palpable sense of disappointment, as if Arendt's readers had
> sidestepped a deliberately flung gauntlet. Indeed, some of Arendt's
> post-Eichmann writings are attempts to advance the discussion of evil
> in modern society.
> 
> Arendt's phrase has entered the popular lexicon and fundamentally
> altered modern perceptions of evil. If Nazis had once been viewed as
> pathological or demonic monsters who committed evil for evil's sake,
> Arendt placed emphasis on the perplexing lack of personal hatred or
> direct animosity toward those whom the Nazis, with cold efficiency,
> dispatched to their deaths. Arendt showed that when combined with a
> peculiar lack of empathic imagination, obedience could yield
> terrifying results, and that the modern state provided structures for
> functionaries to commit evil without considering themselves morally
> corrupt.
> 
> While prominent intellectuals tried to discredit Arendt, the public
> eagerly seized upon her reflections on obedience and loyalty—which had
> been valued, until the 1960s, as virtues—and on the depersonalization
> of individuals in large institutions. Younger leftists, among them
> writers, academics, and student activists, relied on her notion of the
> "banality of evil" to detect evidence of disengaged evil in the
> actions of state functionaries in other political systems, including
> that of the US. Arendt was as dismayed by these appropriations of her
> work as by the distorting media campaign and the intellectuals'
> attacks on her book. In spite of her objection to generalizing the
> notion of the "banality of evil" into a wider category, student
> protesters used her concept only a few years after the Eichmann trial
> in their protests against the US government's "dirty war" in Vietnam.
> 
> 
>  Eichmann in his glass booth listening to his death sentence. Courtesy
> The Holocaust Museum, Washington D.C.
> 
> 
> Beyond the controversy over Arendt's book, there are thus several
> "afterlives" to the "banality of evil" thesis quite independent of
> Arendt's analysis. The investigation of the conditions for evil in
> modern society, and of detecting the "little Nazi within us," affected
> various fields beyond political theory and philosophy.8 The Yale
> psychologist Stanley Milgram, for instance, conducted a series of
> experiments where average individuals were instructed to administer
> electroshocks to research subjects when the latter failed to perform
> simple tasks. These research "subjects," placed in cubicles not unlike
> the famous glass booth sheltering Eichmann from attacks by former
> victims during his trial, were paid actors who feigned physical pain
> when receiving the "electroshocks," which in reality carried no
> current. Milgram found that most individuals willingly administered
> near-lethal doses of electricity if such action was prescribed in the
> research guidelines: "After witnessing hundreds of ordinary people
> submit to authority in our own experiments, I must conclude that
> Arendt's conception of the banality of evil comes closer to the truth
> than one might dare imagine…: ordinary people, simply doing their
> jobs, and without any particular hostility on their part, can become
> agents in a terrible destructive process."9 In response to his
> amazement and the intense media storm over his experiments, Milgram's
> wife wryly remarked, "so there are a bunch of Eichmanns in New Haven."
> 
> Earlier, Arendt had been dismayed when German writer Hans Magnus
> Enzensberger suggested that fascism is horrible not because it
> occurred in Germany but because it could happen anywhere. Arendt was
> very clear that Eichmann's behavior arose in the specific setting of
> the totalitarian state of Nazi Germany. German playwright Heiner
> Kipphardt similarly thought he was correctly extending Arendt's
> analysis in his play Brother Eichmann when he juxtaposed scenes set in
> Eichmann's cell with interview excerpts of a US fighter pilot in
> Vietnam, a police officer in the American South shooting tear gas to
> disperse black schoolchildren during riots, and former Israeli defense
> minister (and current prime minister), Ariel Sharon, explaining an
> Israeli attack on a Palestinian refugee camp. In a bizarre fusion of
> Arendt's "banality of evil" thesis with the theme of Jewish self-
> hatred, the 1975 Hollywood film The Man in the Glass Booth stars
> Maximilian Schell as a Jewish Holocaust survivor who mistakes himself
> for a Nazi criminal posing, in turn, as a Jew in post-war New York,
> and whose true identity emerges in a climactic scene inside the glass
> booth in a Jerusalem courtroom. The notion that evil is not radical
> but might manifest itself in the most mundane guises had taken hold.
> 
> › › ›
> 
> When the scholar of Jewish mysticism, Gershom Scholem, accused Arendt
> in a famous letter, written after the publication of Eichmann in
> Jerusalem, of lacking ahavat Israel (love for the Jewish people), she
> curtly asked whether Scholem could quickly provide her with a history
> of the uses of this concept.10 In effect, she turned Scholem into a
> research assistant now saddled with an assignment (to which he,
> incidentally, never responded). Arendt explained that the notion of an
> allegiance to a group—particularly one to which she would be bound by
> birth—is highly suspect for her since it smacks of self-interest. Her
> love, Arendt sharply remarked, was reserved for her friends. Scholem
> was deeply dissatisfied with Arendt's response. The question Scholem
> did not fire back at Arendt in their polemical and even hostile
> exchange was whether she, in turn, could provide him with a history of
> her concept of "the banality of evil." Indeed, this question regarding
> the provenance of Arendt's most famous coinage should have been of
> great interest to Scholem, who had written in his "95 Theses on
> Judaism and Zionism," presented to Walter Benjamin on the occasion of
> his twenty-sixth birthday on 15 July 1918, that "evil has no
> history."11
> 
> In spite of the amazing provocation of Arendt's phrase, however,
> virtually no commentator has tried to determine its provenance. In
> discussions of Arendt's book, emphasis is shifted almost instantly to
> the polemics around it, to Kant's "radical evil," or to Arendt's
> discussion of evil in other works. Judging by the literature, Arendt's
> "banality of evil" seems not only to have been plucked out of thin air
> but remains there, an attention-grabbing phrase that is unworthy of
> her sharp intellect, or merely a rhetor-ical but philosophically
> inessential instrument in her polemics against the Israeli
> prosecutor's characterization of Eichmann. The "banality of evil,"
> however, has a history.
> 
> Arendt, it is claimed, did not personally invent the phrase. In a
> reversal of the common structure of male author and female companion/
> secretary/muse, Arendt's husband Heinrich Blücher, a fellow German
> exile and professor of philosophy, proposed the phrase to his wife. It
> has been suggested that Arendt's notion of "evil" was shaped by her
> husband's experience of daily persecution and violent harassment as a
> Communist in Hitler's Germany, and that the emphasis placed on the
> banality of a functionary's behavior originates in a Marxist, systemic
> view of Hitler's crimes that presumably differs from a particularly
> Jewish angle. In light of the grave misunderstandings prompted by the
> phrase, Arendt added an afterword to her book explaining that the
> "banality of evil" does not diminish guilt for the Nazis, but instead
> heightens their responsibility by prying their deeds from a quasi-
> theological and irrational realm (in which "evil" is frequently
> located) and placing them firmly into lived reality governed by human
> laws. In a letter to German philosopher Karl Jaspers, Arendt remarked
> that in conversations with Blücher she realized that "evil" might
> manifest itself as a "superficial phenomenon."12 Blücher had
> experienced the Nazis' methods of daily harassment, intimidation, and
> brutal treatment of political opponents firsthand; these direct
> actions carried out by violent thugs could not be relegated to the
> realm of metaphysics. In a strange, backhanded invitation for Arendt
> to disavow or even retract her controversial phrase, Jaspers wrote
> that Blücher invented the "phrase 'banality of evil' and now blames
> himself that you have to pay for [in the controversy over Eichmann]
> what he started."13
> 
> But Arendt investigated the "banality of evil" because that
> "phenomenon… stared one in the face at the trial," and not because her
> husband gave her some strange ideas.14 Her arguments are explicitly
> directed against the notion, advanced by state prosecutor Hausner in
> opening arguments, that Eichmann was the "executor of some
> mysteriously foreordained destiny, or, for that matter, even of anti-
> Semitism…."15 For Arendt, this idea would remove the crimes from their
> political and historical context. For Hausner, Eichmann's deeds
> constituted only a further step in a history of the Gentiles' trans-
> historical hatred of the Jews. This characterization of Jewish history
> as a narrative of persecution, with the Holocaust as a culminating
> pogrom in a Europe where the promise of assimilation had lulled Jews
> into a false sense of security, served to identify Zionism and Israeli
> nationalism as the only options for Jewish survival in modernity.
> Arendt objected to the corresponding ideologically motivated
> characterization of Eichmann as the incarnation of a "foreordained"
> evil. Her notion of the "banality of evil" is a polemical rebuttal of
> the strategic demonization of Eichmann for political and ideological
> purposes.
> 
> Arendt was not one to retract a provocative idea, even when it was
> deliberately distorted or appropriated for the wrong ends. She did not
> accept Jaspers', implicit invitation to disavow responsibility for the
> problematic phrase by declaring her husband its inventor, but stressed
> how her analysis of Eichmann's "banality" indicts the man more
> severely than the standard practice of demonizing him—which would
> relieve us of the difficult analysis of what permitted Eichmann to
> carry out his deeds with a clear conscience.
> 
> › › ›
> 
> Very few texts are better designed to irritate. It's with undeniable
> stiffness, and not without a kind of perversion, that [the author]
> represents this stiff, perverse and unsatisfying totality that is
> nothing other than [the subject of the study] itself.16
> 
> These words, part of a sustained attack on a book detailing the moral
> shortcomings of a quintessentially bourgeois subject, are not part of
> the campaign against Arendt's Eichmann. Instead, Georges Bataille
> aimed them at Jean-Paul Sartre's assessment of the poet Baudelaire,
> which caused a controversy comparable to that produced by Arendt's
> Eichmann. In his Baudelaire, Sartre condemned the author of The
> Flowers of Evilfor having abdicated responsibility for his actions.
> Sartre was particularly repulsed by Baudelaire's recourse—which he
> viewed as a disavowal of responsibility—to "the Devil" and "Hysteria"
> as the causes for morally reprehensible deeds. With biting sarcasm,
> Sartre described Baudelaire's self-stylization as a perpetual victim
> of his circumstances:
> 
> [Baudelaire] is no more than a marionette whose strings are being
> manipulated... At bottom it matters very little whether he attributes
> his actions to the Devil or to Hysteria; the essential [thing] is that
> he is not their cause but their victim. After that, we notice that he
> has, as usual, left the door open. He doesn't believe in the Devil.17
> 
> For the existentialist Sartre, Baudelaire's renunciation of
> responsibility for one's action was inexcusable. Make no mistake here,
> Sartre warns his readers, Baudelaire does not even believe in the
> existence of the "Devil" or the unadulterated evil on which he blames
> his deeds. Baudelaire's lack of faith in unadulterated evil puts his
> "Devil," as the cause of actions in which he has no investment, in a
> line with other such figures that are themselves empty of significance
> and yet prompt extreme actions: Poe's "Imp of the Perverse"; a box of
> Twinkies; an order from "above"; the system in which the individual
> does not necessarily believe. In light of his notion first developed
> in Being and Nothingness of an "original choice" by which man can
> exercise his freedom, Sartre finds Baudelaire's evasiveness appalling.
> Sartre's existentialist psychological reading of Baudelaire, which
> provoked outraged responses that, in their vehemence, rivaled the
> attacks on Arendt's Eichmann, culminates in the assertion that
> Baudelaire equated "his destiny" with free choice, that he embraced
> whatever happened to him in one gesture as both inevitable and as his
> desire.18 Sartre condemns Baudelaire for deliberately refusing to
> alter his sense of self, for not letting "an accident or the
> intervention of chance" change his understanding of "this life which
> was so closed and narrow."19 Above all, Sartre attacked the way
> Baudelaire resigned himself to the external conditions of his life and
> then blamed these very conditions for his deeds.
> 
> Although Sartre's reading of Baudelaire is reductive, even severe
> critics such as Bataille admit its "plausibility."20 Baudelaire
> understood Evil as that toward which man is drawn by "whims."21 He
> deviated from the Enlightenment notion that human nature is basically
> and inherently good, but might be tempted by evil. Nature is neither
> basically good (as it is for Sartre, which permits a choice to be
> evil) nor bad, but inherently ambivalent.
> 
> Nature teaches us nothing or almost nothing but instead compels man to
> sleep, drink, eat, and protect himself against the hostile elements.
> It... also... pushes man to kill his brother, eat him, lock him up,
> and torture him. As soon as we leave the order of necessity and need
> and enter into the realm of luxury and pleasure, we see that nature
> teaches nothing but crime.22
> 
> Since for Baudelaire nature "teaches nothing," "compels" man to act
> both morally and immorally, and "teaches nothing but crime,"
> Baudelaire's evil is neither an interruption nor the norm; it cannot
> be reduced to Sartre's "acte gratuit," by which man can assert his
> fundamental freedom to act without motives, and thus independently.
> For Baudelaire, evil is not simply an act that suddenly erupts as a
> consequence of man's alienation from himself and his inherently good
> nature. It is also an inherent human trait. Although Sartre ignores
> the fundamental ambivalence in this Baudelairean notion of evil,
> Sartre shrewdly isolates the significance of Baudelaire's self-
> stylization as a perpetual victim of circumstances. Ultimately,
> Baudelaire is unclear about the precise nature of man's compulsion to
> commit evil. Sartre hones in on this ambivalence and identifies it,
> indeed, as a sign of Baudelaire's refusal to make a choice—a choice
> regarding the nature of evil, and a choice that would, by its mere
> possibility, serve as testimony to the possibility of human freedom.
> 
> In order to grasp the full significance of Sartre's Baudelaire,
> Bataille suggested, one must not get caught up in judging Sartre
> himself.23 Instead, it proves germane to recall the historical
> situation in which Sartre wrote his book. Sartre ruthlessly dissected
> the "quasi-legendary prototype of the cursed poet" in 1942 and 1943,
> during the German occupation of France.24 Occupied Paris, where Sartre
> is writing, presents a situation where dangerous choices are needed
> that would oppose the reigning system, where everyone has to claim
> responsibility for his or her actions, and where the freedom to choose
> should translate into deed.
> 
> Precisely because Baudelaire was so widely revered as a "cursed poet"
> celebrating le mal in a society engulfed in the profound moral and
> political crisis of life under Nazi occupation, Sartre was unforgiving
> about Baudelaire's implicit claim that he could not help but suffer a
> fate dealt to him. Indeed, Sartre's Baudelaire can be read as an angry
> wake-up call aimed at a largely complacent French public under Nazi
> rule. Sartre aims to dismantle the cult of Baudelaire because the
> author of The Flowers of Evil constitutes a dangerous sedative, an
> excuse for languid complacency, and the refusal to take responsibility
> for one's actions.
> 
> A gesture, a breath, a thought may suddenly alter the sense of the
> whole of the past—such is man's temporal condition. Baudelaire… did
> not want to be subject to the iron law by which our present behavior
> is continually modifying our past acts.25
> 
> Sartre saw in Baudelaire the quintessential bourgeois subject who
> displaces agency for his actions onto his surroundings. Baudelaire
> serves as the prototype for the functionary who ascribes
> responsibility even for his own deeds, which are meant as expressions
> of his free will, to the system. From Sartre's Baudelaire emerges,
> uncannily, the outline of the phenotype of Arendt's banality of evil:
> a criminality that is strangely devoid of an investment in or passion
> for the crime. For Arendt, Eichmann was characterized by:
> 
> ...sheer thoughtlessness—something by no means identical with stupidity
> —that predisposed him to become one of the greatest criminals of that
> period. And if this is "banal" and even funny, if with the best will
> in the world one cannot extract any diabolical or demonic profundity
> from Eichmann, that is still far from calling it commonplace.26
> 
> This lack of "diabolical or demonic profundity" also produced the
> climate of Baudelairean "Evil." Sartre describes this disturbing lack
> of interiority of the one committing such moral offenses (to which
> Sartre gives the label "crime"):
> 
> For with Baudelaire, the crime was concerted, carried out deliberately
> and almost under duress. Evil did not correspond in any way to
> abandonment. It was a counter-Good which had to possess all the
> characteristics of Good except that they appeared with a different
> mathematical sign in front of them. And since Good stood for effort,
> exercise, self-domination, we shall find all these characteristics in
> Evil.27 To fully grasp Sartre's criticism of Baudelairean evil, it is
> crucial to recall Sartre's emphasis on the fact that Baudelaire did
> not believe in "the Devil," whom he blamed for his actions. Baudelaire
> attributed his deeds to an agent whom he knew to be nonexistent. He
> carried out his deeds, as it were, without investment in a larger
> principle. Eichmann, in Arendt's analysis, "merely, to put the matter
> colloquially, never realized what he was doing."28 Indeed, Eichmann's
> banality resulted from the fact that he was characterized by "an
> inability to think, namely, to think from the standpoint of somebody
> else."29
> 
> 
>  The court watches a film during the trial. Courtesy The Holocaust
> Museum, Washington D.C.
> 
> 
> With regard to this deficiency, Eichmann is worlds apart from
> Baudelaire, whose "admirable intelligence" was never questioned by
> Sartre.30 But Eichmann's inability to think produced the very dilemma
> identified already by Sartre for the case of Baudelaire: that of a
> person who aspired to let his actions and the surrounding world
> coincide. Eichmann's refusal to let anything from the outside—an
> abstract notion of humanity or freedom of choice—alter his course of
> action produced a fundamental difficulty for Arendt. For those
> wrestling with the phenomenon of evil evidenced by Eichmann, "[t]o
> fall back on an unequivocal voice of conscience—or, in the even vaguer
> language of the jurists, on a 'general sentiment of humanity'—not only
> begs the question, it signifies a deliberate refusal to take notice of
> the central moral, legal, and political phenomena of our century."31
> 
> This "central phenomenon" was the individual who disavowed the notion
> of anything external that would alter his actions.
> 
> To be sure, any comparison of Baudelaire and Eichmann constitutes a
> scandalous abandonment of referential grounding. Although Baudelaire
> was no saint, his life was all but blameless compared to Eichmann, who
> commissioned the trains deporting hundreds of thousands of Jews to the
> death camps. Yet the refusal to investigate the provenance of the
> "banality of evil" based on the vastness of Eichmann's deeds
> constitutes a refusal to think about the specific kind of evil that
> surfaced in his trial. If Eichmann's "banality of evil" is
> conceptually sheltered, as if in a virtual glass box, from comparison
> with other investigations of banal evil such as Sartre's Baudelaire,
> the demonization of the Nazis effectively remains in place. Both
> Sartre and Arendt, while they disagree on other subjects, aim at de-
> sentimentalizing evil in the interest of thinking and analysis. For
> Sartre, the French public's addiction to Baudelaire kept them from
> making genuine choices during the Nazi occupation. Sartre explained in
> a radio interview with the BBC in 1944 that "we were never freer than
> under the Nazi occupation," by which he means that the occupation
> endowed every decision with existential significance, for or against a
> murderous regime. When the French public accepted their fate as
> something they could only suffer in the face of Hitler's guns, this
> stance found expression in the widespread conception of Baudelaire as
> "living a life he did not deserve."32 For Arendt, the demonization of
> Eichmann similarly sealed the "moral collapse" of Europe in a realm of
> unanalyzability and spared Europeans from examining their complicity
> in that collapse.
> 
> She thought that it was not Eichmann's "fanaticism" but his
> conscience, as a rigid adherence to internalized values, that made him
> carry out his crimes.33 For her, Eichmann failed to take note of what
> Sartre in his Baudelaire calls "a gesture, a breath, a thought [that]
> may suddenly alter the sense of the whole of the past" and permit a
> break with existing positions.
> 
> "Those few who were still able to tell right from wrong," Arendt
> concludes in her report on the banality of evil, "went really only by
> their own judgments, and they did so freely; there were no rules to be
> abided by, under which the particular cases with which they were
> confronted could be subsumed."34 Criticism, Baudelaire wrote famously,
> "ought to be partial, passionate and political, that is to say,
> written from an exclusive point of view but from the point of view
> that opens up the widest horizons."35 Sartre's and Arendt's books, on
> two manifestations of the "banality of evil," contain such exclusive
> points of view. In an unexpected parallel gesture of freeing
> themselves of existing opinion, the undeniably "partial, passionate
> and political" points of view expressed in Eichmann in Jerusalem and
> Baudelaire reach beyond their respective objects of inquiry to discern
> something that is not limited to the realm of either literature or
> politics.
> 
> Instead of insisting, like others, that evil is radical, Arendt and
> Sartre attempted to counter the stupefaction which they saw descending
> like a fog over Europe after the war. Their books are reflections on
> the moral crisis prompted by World War II—a crisis they acknowledged
> but feared would lead to a revival of the notion of radical evil that
> would "defy the possibility of human judgment."36 This crisis results
> in large part from a wholesale loss of faith in divinity as
> controlling human existence. Arendt shrewdly noted that in response to
> the debunking of the divinely anchored model of the universe, there
> needed to follow a process of de-demonization of evil. "What has come
> to light," she wrote in response to the controversy over her book, "is
> neither nihilism nor cynicism, as one might have expected, but a quite
> extraordinary confusion over elementary questions of morality."37
> 
> 1 — Hannah Arendt, "Nightmare and Flight," in Essays in Understanding
> (New York: Harcourt Brace, 1992), p. 134.
> 2 — Hannah Arendt, letter to Gershom Scholem, in Encounter (January
> 1964), pp. 51-56. Cited in Elisabeth Young-Bruehl, Hannah Arendt: For
> Love of the World (New Haven: Yale University Press, 1982), p. 369.
> 3 — The Eichmann trial lasted from 11 April 1961 to 11 December 1961.
> The appeal was rejected on 29 May 1962, and he was executed on the
> night of 31 May-1 June 1962.
> 4 — Hannah Arendt, Eichmann in Jerusalem: A Report on the Banality of
> Evil (New York: Viking Press, 1964), p. 283.
> 5 — Ibid., p. 252. Arendt's articles appeared in the February and
> March issues of the New Yorker.
> 6 — Ibid., p. 283.
> 7 — Ibid., p. 287.
> 8 — The notion of the "little Nazi within us" is investigated
> brilliantly in David Grossman, See Under: Love (New York: Farrar,
> Straus & Giroux, 1999).
> 9 — Stanley Milgram, Obedience to Authority (New York: Harper and Row,
> 1974), cited in Hannah Arendt: For Love of the World, p. 521, n.42.
> 10 — Gershom Scholem, letter to Hannah Arendt, in Encounter (January
> 1964), pp. 51-56.
> 11 — Gershom Scholem, "95 Theses on Judaism and Zionism," in Gary
> Smith and Peter Schäfer, eds., Gershom Scholem: Zwischen den
> Disziplinen (Frankfurt: Suhrkamp, 1995), p. 290.
> 12 — Cited in Hannah Arendt: For Love of the World, p. 330.
> 13 — Arendt to Jaspers, 29 December 1963.
> 14 — Eichmann in Jerusalem, p. 287.
> 15 — Ibid., p. 19.
> 16 — Georges Bataille, "Baudelaire 'mis à nu'," in Oeuvres Complètes
> (Paris: Gallimard, 1979), vol. 9, p. 443.
> 17 — Jean-Paul Sartre, Baudelaire, trans. Martin Turnell (London:
> Horizon, 1949), pp. 160- 161.
> 18 — Ibid., p. 192.
> 19 — Ibid.
> 20 — "Baudelaire 'mis à nu'," p. 445.
> 21 — Charles Baudelaire, Oeuvres Complètes, ed. Claude Pichois (Paris:
> Gallimard, 1975), vol. II, p. 710.
> 22 — Ibid., p. 715.
> 23 — "Baudelaire 'mis à nu'," p. 443.
> 24 — Michel Leiris, "Introduction," in Sartre, Baudelaire, p. viii.
> 25 — Baudelaire, p. 161.
> 26 — Eichmann in Jerusalem, pp. 287-288.
> 27 — Baudelaire, p. 187.
> 28 — Eichmann in Jerusalem, p. 287, original emphasis.
> 29 — Ibid., p. 49.
> 30 — Baudelaire, p. 192. 31 — Eichmann in Jerusalem, p. 148.
> 32 — Baudelaire, p. 15.
> 33 — Eichmann in Jerusalem, p. 146.
> 34 — Ibid., pp. 294-295.
> 35 — Baudelaire, Oeuvres Complètes, vol. II, p. 416.
> 36 — Arendt, cited in Hannah Arendt: For Love of the World, p. 371.
> 37 — Eichmann in Jerusalem, p. 295.
> 
> Ulrich Baer teaches in the Department of German at New York
> University. His books include Remnants of Song:Trauma and Modernity in
> Baudelaire and Celan, and Spectral Evidence: The Photography of Trauma
> 


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oneeyewotan@gmail.com wrote:
> On 10 aug, 12:36, Protagonist  wrote:
> 
>> That's Holman's style!
>> Yep-yep-yep, but say nothing!
> 
> You can't read, you bonehead-nazi-piece-of-garbage.
> 
> 
> 
> 
Than why respond? You think  i can read your posts, if I can't read?
Idiot, moron!
JS


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oneeyewotan@gmail.com wrote:
> On 11 aug, 07:46, "B'inyamin Cramer" 
> wrote:
> 
>> Better question - "Why would this omnipotent, all knowing and powerful god,
>> have his chosen ones persecuted, pogrommed and holocausted for millennia?"
> 
> History of antisemitism is 2000 years old and much more complex than
> you can understand. That's why people like you try black and white it
> by simply blaming jews for their persecution.
> 
> When you were a child, did you blame smaller boy when you took his
> candy?
> 
> 

I never took smaller boys candy or any one!
That's your style.
You must be a Jew than!
JS


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B'inyamin Cramer wrote:
> 
>  wrote in message 
> news:1186815092.630474.307750@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
>> On 11 aug, 07:46, "B'inyamin Cramer" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Better question - "Why would this omnipotent, all knowing and 
>>> powerful god,
>>> have his chosen ones persecuted, pogrommed and holocausted for 
>>> millennia?"
>>
>> History of antisemitism is 2000 years old and much more complex than
>> you can understand. That's why people like you try black and white it
>> by simply blaming jews for their persecution.
> 
> Who else?
> 
> If they didn't act like semites, there'd be no anti-semitism. One breeds 
> t'other, wankywiking.
>>
>> When you were a child, did you blame smaller boy when you took his
>> candy?
> 
> I took no one's candy, laddie.
> 
> 
> 
> 

You see the Jew idiot, think every one are like him!
JS


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ragland31@gmail.com wrote:
> On Aug 11, 11:39 am, pleyl...@bigpond.net.au (Ms Buyers) wrote:
>> On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 08:46:43 -0400, "ElParedon" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.theillustrateddailyscribble.com/
>> Begging for money from the Gentile to line jew pockets is Oy Vey
>> McVay's stock in trade.
> 
> 
> Yeah, Mcvay's Nizkor is a multi-million dollar organization which
> takes
> all its contributions and funnels them to Jewish organizations. I've
> even
> heard there is an offshore account in the Cayman Islands. Get real.
> 
> Michael Ragland
> 

Noooo! He's pumping gas daytime for living and building his Holohoax 
Nizkor website FREE at night!
You are a real idiot Ragland!
Don't forget to count my words, before you respond!
JS



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ragland31@gmail.com wrote:
> On Aug 11, 2:29 pm, Protagonist  wrote:
>> raglan...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Aug 11, 11:39 am, pleyl...@bigpond.net.au (Ms Buyers) wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 08:46:43 -0400, "ElParedon" 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> http://www.theillustrateddailyscribble.com/
>>>> Begging for money from the Gentile to line jew pockets is Oy Vey
>>>> McVay's stock in trade.
>>> Yeah, Mcvay's Nizkor is a multi-million dollar organization which
>>> takes
>>> all its contributions and funnels them to Jewish organizations. I've
>>> even
>>> heard there is an offshore account in the Cayman Islands. Get real.
>>> Michael Ragland
>> Noooo! He's pumping gas daytime for living and building his Holohoax
>> Nizkor website FREE at night!
>> You are a real idiot Ragland!
>> Don't forget to count my words, before you respond!
>> JS- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
> 
> 31 words; similar to Cramer.
> 
> Mr
> 

2 more words would've make it 33, sign of a Free Mason grand master.
JS


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RJ11 wrote:
> In article ,
> Protagonist   wrote:
> 
>> Bergen-Belsen, claiming Germans starved and murdered these inmates.
> 
>    They sure did:
> 
>    "That we sentence 1.2 million Jews to die of hunger should be
> noted only marginally" -- Hans Frank,  the Governor-General of the
> "Generalgouvernement" (part of Nazi-occupied Poland),  speaking about
> the Jews under his jurisdiction,  on 24 August 1942.  Source:  "Nazi
> Conspiracy and Aggression",  Vol. IV,  page 900.
> 
>    Lt. Col. Johnston,  of the Royal Army Medical Corps,  had this to say
> after his inspection of the Belsen camp:  "There was obvious evidence of
> extreme and systematic starvation both in the living and the dead" (source:
> "The Belsen Trial",  page 46).
> 
> RJ.

Here ja go, same post over and over again.
You found 2 payed agents to say some thing to support the Holohoax industry!
Nice going RJ!
JS




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If it's FREE speech, than let be Free for every one, idiot.
Not only for Jews and the Holohoax industry!
I've noticed you are a very narrow minded prick, Ragland!
JS




ragland31@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> 
> I've noticed several countries have banned "hate speech" whether
> speaking out in the street, at a
> convention, on the internet, etc. Of course, proponents of "free
> speech" often deride this state
> of affairs; especially neo-Nazi and Holocaust deniers from not being
> able to say what they want
> to say. In the U.S. the worst and most dangerous neo-Nazi garbage is
> allowed and tolerated by
> the U.S. government and no one can doubt these sites attract people
> and cause damage or
> inspire others (lone wolf) to commit acts of violence and murder.
> Therefore, I think it is
> inexcusable to allow this shit on the internet in the U.S. without law
> enforcement prosecuting
> them. In gist, I think U.S. law makers should make any website whose
> focus is violence and
> hatred towards ANY ethnic group prosecutable. I cherish free speech
> but it has always had
> limits and in this regard doesn't have any. I have no illusions; these
> people will still exist and
> form their own clandestine groups; they will scream about their loss
> of free speech. And if
> it reached the U.S. Supreme Court those dunces would probably act in
> favor of neo-Nazis
> and Holocaust denier's "free speech". But all these hundreds if not
> thousands of neo-Nazi
> and Holocaust denying websites are not healthy to have in one's
> society or world for the matter.
> It's not like being carded for alcohol or cigarettes; anybody,
> including unsupervised children, can
> come into contact with these websites. It's not like a library where
> the system blocks pornography.
> 
> I know several anti-deniers would disagree with me and some might use
> the slippery slope
> argument but other countries have done it. There is no reason why the
> U.S. can't.
> 
> Michael Ragland
> 


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ragland31@gmail.com wrote:
> On Aug 11, 2:13 pm, Protagonist  wrote:
>> Hey Ragland!
>> Are you the re-incarnation of McVay?
>> I see you posting lot of crap on AR, mostly from Jewish sources,
>> standard Holohoax stories.
>> You know guy, all this stuff has been chewed and spit out over and over
>> again many times.
>> Come up with some thing new, please!
>> Idiot!!!!!
>> You are like RJ, who posts the same God damn pictures over and over
>> again, same pictures of typhus victims in mass graves from
>> Bergen-Belsen, claiming Germans starved and murdered these inmates.
>> Are you stupid or what?
>> JSraglan...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> 
> Ragland: Virtual Jewish Library is one of the sources I use; I post
> alot from
> Jewish sources because unfortunately they seem to be the main ones
> concerned
> with the Holocaust and providing information and knowledge about it.
> If you
> want to refute part of the Treblinka article be my guest. You claim it
> has
> been chewed up time and time again but all I see is an unsubstantiated
> assertion and no evidence. A crucial difference. RJ posts those
> pictures
> because the Nazis either let those Jews die of disease or starvation;
> same thing as
> killing them. And its photographic evidence and hardly no Neo-Nazi
> will
> take the effort to explain why the Nazis did this. Can you? Can you
> explain
> all the other photograghs; pictures of sadistic medical experiments;
> of all there
> clothes, glasses, suitcases, money taken from them; of pictures of
> hacked off
> extremities in a cart; of burning the corpses; etc., etc., etc.

Have you noticed idiot, in any country, even today, when people gets 
incarcerated, personal belongings are taken away?
Same happened in the German labor camps.
Seems to me the Holohax industries subliminal massages working on you.
When your were a chilled, your mined excepts any thing as facts, even 
all the fairy tales.
Now your older, all they have to do is flash images to you, like pile of 
hair and eyeglasses and you expected as those items came from tortured, 
gassed, dead people, all Jews.
Open your eyes, idiot!
JS



> 
> Michael Ragland
>>> Treblinka
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------­-----
>>> Approaching the Treblinka Camp
>>> The Entrance to the Treblinka
>>> Treblinka Memorial Stones
>>> Stone Sculptures at Treblinka
>>> Symbolic Cemetery at Treblinka
>>> Stone Honoring Janusz Korczak
>>> Warsaw Stone
>>> For the first 20 to 25 years after World War II, the survivors of the
>>> Holocaust mostly kept silent about their horrendous experiences in the
>>> concentration camps. In those years, the only Nazi concentration camp
>>> names that were familiar to most Americans were Dachau, Buchenwald and
>>> Bergen-Belsen, the places that were shown in the newsreels in movie
>>> theaters following their liberation by American and British troops.
>>> Who could ever forget the sight of the naked, emaciated bodies being
>>> shoved into mass graves with a bulldozer at Bergen-Belsen? Or Margaret
>>> Bourke-White's shocking photographs of the survivors of Buchenwald?
>>> Back then, few people in America had ever heard of Treblinka, a camp
>>> hidden in the remote forests of northeastern Poland, along the western
>>> border of the Bialystok province. Most Americans believed, up until
>>> the mid 1970s, that the majority of the 6 million Jews, who were
>>> victims of the Holocaust, had died in the gas chambers at the Dachau
>>> camp near Munich, Germany. The only camp mentioned in the 1970s movie
>>> "Judgment at Nuremberg" was Dachau.
>>> Now it is known that Dachau and Buchenwald, although horrible places
>>> where many people died, were concentration camps
>>> (Konzentrationslager), not extermination centers (Vernichtungslager)
>>> designed for the express purpose of annihilating all the Jews of
>>> Europe. Bergen-Belsen, the most horrible camp of them all, was called
>>> an internment camp for prisoner exchange (Aufenthaltslager) and later
>>> became a sick camp (Krankenlager) where concentration camp prisoners
>>> who were no longer able to work were sent.
>>> According to Raul Hilberg in his book The Destruction of the European
>>> Jews, there were six extermination centers, all of them in Poland,
>>> including the little-known camp at Treblinka. The other extermination
>>> camps were at Belzec, Sobibor, Chelmno, Majdanek and Auschwitz-
>>> Birkenau, all in Russian-liberated Poland. The last two also
>>> functioned as forced labor camps (Zwangsarbeitslager), and were still
>>> operational when liberated by Russian soldiers towards the end of the
>>> war in 1944 and early 1945. The camps at Treblinka, Belzec, Sobibor
>>> and Chelmno had already been liquidated by the Germans before the
>>> Russians arrived, and there was no remaining evidence of the Nazi
>>> atrocities.
>>> An information pamphlet available at the entrance to the former camp
>>> site at Treblinka says, "In a relatively short time of its existence
>>> the camp took a total of over 800,000 victims of Jews from Poland,
>>> Austria, Belgium, Czechoslovakia, France, Greece, Jugoslavia, Germany
>>> and the Soviet Union."
>>> >From Warsaw, the route to Treblinka starts with the crossing of the
>>> river Vistula, then a turn onto Highway 18 northeast towards
>>> Bialystok, the only large town in the Bialystok province, which is the
>>> most remote northeast corner of Poland. It is in the Bialystok
>>> province that bison still roam, and one can see the last remaining
>>> primeval forest and wetlands on the European continent. This area
>>> could truly be called the "Wild East" of Poland.
>>> Treblinka is near the Bug River which, during World War II, formed the
>>> border between the Nazi occupied General Government of Poland and the
>>> zone occupied by the Russians from September 1939 until the German
>>> invasion of Russia in June 1941.
>>> Highway 18 is a two-lane concrete road with pedestrian paths on each
>>> side. There is heavy traffic of trucks from Belarus (Byelorussia or
>>> White Russia) and Estonia traveling west into Poland; traffic is
>>> slowed down by local Polish farmers driving wagons pulled by tractors
>>> or by a lone horse. The terrain is completely flat with farm land on
>>> each side of the road but not a fence in sight. Then the road goes
>>> through mile after mile of dense forest. During the war these woods
>>> were full of Polish and Jewish partisans, who hid there along with
>>> escaped Russian Prisoners of War, and fought the Nazis by blowing up
>>> bridges and train tracks or placing land mines to kill columns of
>>> German soldiers.
>>> At a point 22 kilometers from Treblinka, the route turns southeast off
>>> of Highway 18. This new road is a one-lane blacktop with no space on
>>> the sides for pedestrians. The road gets progressively worse until the
>>> final leg of the journey is pockmarked with pot holes.
>>> The Treblinka camp got its name from the tiny village of Treblinka,
>>> the closest town to Malkinia railroad junction, from where trains,
>>> carrying thousands of Jews crammed into freight cars, were shunted
>>> onto a sidetrack which the Nazis extended to the extermination camp.
>>> However, the closest inhabited place on the road to the camp is the
>>> equally tiny hamlet of Poniatowa. As you can see in the pictures
>>> below, the road as it nears the camp becomes a one-lane blacktop,
>>> badly in need of repair.
>>> The first two pictures below were taken in the village of Poniatowa.
>>> During the Nazi occupation of Poland there was a forced labor camp at
>>> Poniatowa; in November 1943 the Jewish prisoners there were shot after
>>> prison revolts and mass escapes at the Treblinka and Sobibor camps
>>> alarmed the Nazis.
>>> The village of Treblinka is now almost deserted and the buildings are
>>> far more dilapidated than those in Poniatowa. The last picture in the
>>> series shows a house in Poniatowa, which is built of wood with painted
>>> shutters, at the edge of the road with a fence enclosing a small patch
>>> of flowers. Some of these rural dwellings are so humble that you would
>>> not suspect that people still live there if it were not for the lace
>>> curtains which are always hung in the windows of these cottages. Note
>>> the cobblestones along the edge of the road, which you can see clearly
>>> in the last picture.
>>> Narrow blacktop road through village of Poniatowa where Jews were shot
>>> at labor camp
>>> Houses along blacktop road in village of Poniatowa near Treblinka camp
>>> Cottage in village of Poniatowa on the way to Treblinka extermination
>>> camp
>>> Approaching the Treblinka Camp
>>> As you get near the village of Treblinka, there is a line of beautiful
>>> chestnut trees alongside the road on the right. You see old men
>>> walking along the road, carrying bundles of sticks on their backs.
>>> There are farm families digging potatoes and burning the dried potato
>>> vines in the fields. Occasionally, you see a stork's nest on a roof
>>> near the chimney, or a large ant hill at the edge of a forest,
>>> surrounded by a tiny log fence for protection. There are old wooden
>>> Catholic churches and white cottages with thatched roofs along the
>>> road. Telephone poles are topped with glass insulators, the kind you
>>> see for sale in antique stores in America. The farther you travel down
>>> this road, the farther you seem to go back in time.
>>> Near Malkinia Junction, the road now has ancient concrete barriers to
>>> prevent cars from leaving the road, and quaint old railroad crossing
>>> signs. From this junction, a branch line runs south from the Ostbahn
>>> (Eastern Railroad line) to the village of Treblinka.
>>> Finally you get to a narrow archway over the road, the purpose of
>>> which is to keep vehicles larger than 2.5 tons from proceeding beyond
>>> this point. Just before you get to the camp, you must cross a one-lane
>>> railroad bridge that was formerly used by both trains and cars, but is
>>> now used only by cars and pedestrians. According to Martin Gilbert in
>>> his book Holocaust Journey, this bridge was rebuilt some time after
>>> 1959, after it was destroyed during World War II.
>>> The surface of the bridge is made of wood and the train tracks are not
>>> level, which would cause any train using the bridge to list to one
>>> side. The tracks of the railroad lines in Germany and Poland were
>>> then, and still are today, a different width than the tracks across
>>> the eastern border of the Bialystok District in what used to be the
>>> Soviet Union, and is now the country of Byelorussia, formerly called
>>> White Russia. According to my tour guide, today trains from Germany or
>>> Poland must stop at the Bialystok eastern border and change to wider
>>> wheels which can run on the tracks in Russia. In 1941, it was
>>> necessary for the German invading army to extend the Polish gauge
>>> tracks into Russia, as they advanced. The poor condition of the roads
>>> in Poland and Russia hampered the advancing Germany troops when their
>>> vehicles would become mired in three feet of mud. Three kilometers
>>> from Treblinka was located the main railroad line into Russia, through
>>> the Bialystok province.
>>> After the joint conquest of Poland by the Germans and the Russians in
>>> September 1939, the river Bug (pronounced Boog) became the border
>>> between the German section and the Russian section of occupied Poland;
>>> then the Nazis invaded the Soviet Union in June 1941 and conquered the
>>> strip of eastern Poland that was formerly occupied by the Russians.
>>> Treblinka was in the former Russian section, but by 1942 it was
>>> occupied by the Nazis, who were then in a position to put their plan
>>> to exterminate the Jews into effect. The other two Operation Reinhard
>>> extermination camps (Sobibor and Belzec) were also located along the
>>> Bug river border, south of Treblinka.
>>> Hardly more than a creek, the Bug is shallow enough in some places so
>>> that one can wade across it, and according to historian Martin
>>> Gilbert, some refugees, from both sides, did wade across. The movie
>>> "Europa, Europa" has a scene in which Jewish refugees are shown
>>> walking toward the Russian sector, trying to escape the Nazis in
>>> September 1939 by crossing the Bug river on rafts.
>>> The pictures below show the archway, the bridge and the river, taken
>>> on the return trip from Treblinka.
>>> Newly constructed arch over road to Treblinka camp prevents buses and
>>> trucks from entering
>>> Narrow one lane bridge over Bug river used by trains, cars and
>>> pedestrians
>>> Tilted train tracks on bridge over Bug river, shown to the right
>>> The Entrance to the Treblinka Extermination Camp
>>> When you finally arrive at the entrance to the site of the former
>>> Treblinka extermination camp, you are on what looks like an old
>>> logging road, which goes through another dense forest. If you had
>>> wandered into this area by mistake, you might think that you had just
>>> entered a campground in a national forest. Everything is quiet and
>>> serene with only the sound of a few birds.
>>> The caretaker's house is on the right as you enter, and there is a
>>> small wooden building with a sign on it which says Bistro. After my
>>> visit to the camp, I stopped there for a cup of tea, but the place was
>>> closed. Just beyond the Bistro is a narrow parking lot and a small
>>> building where you can buy postcards or a three-page pamphlet printed
>>> in several languages. There is a covered arcade area open to the
>>> elements in front of the building, where huge blowups of several
>>> famous Holocaust pictures are hung, along with a poster with some
>>> information about Janusz Korczak, a Jewish director of an orphanage,
>>> who accompanied a group of orphans to the Treblinka camp, and died
>>> along with them.
>>> The pictures below show the entrance road and the Bistro, taken as I
>>> was leaving the camp. The picture of the reception building was taken
>>> as I entered the camp.
>>> Entrance to Treblinka camp, taken from inside the camp
>>> Bistro at entrance to Treblinka camp is only place that sells
>>> refreshments
>>> Tourist center at Treblinka which sells pamphlets and postcards
>>> Treblinka Memorial Stones
>>> According to a pamphlet which I purchased at the camp tourist center,
>>> "The extermination camp in Treblinka was built in the middle of 1942
>>> near the already existing labour camp. It was surrounded by fence and
>>> rows of barbed wire along which there were watchtowers with machine
>>> guns every ten metres. The main part of the camp constituted (sic) two
>>> buildings in which there were 13 gas chambers altogether. Two thousand
>>> people could be put to death at a time in them. Death by suffocation
>>> with fumes came after 10 - 15 minutes. First the bodies of the victims
>>> were buried, later were cremated on big grates out of doors. The ashes
>>> were mixed witch (sic) sand and buried in one spot."
>>> According to Martin Gilbert in his book, Holocaust Journey, the gas
>>> chambers at Treblinka utilized carbon monoxide from diesel engines.
>>> Many writers say that these diesel engines were obtained from captured
>>> Russian submarines, but according to the Nizkor Project, they were
>>> large 500 BHP engines from captured Soviet T-34 tanks. At the
>>> Nuremberg trial of the Nazi war criminals, the American government
>>> charged that the Jews were murdered at Treblinka in "steam chambers,"
>>> not gas chambers.
>>> The pamphlet continues with this information: "Killing took place with
>>> great speed. The whole process of killing the people, starting from
>>> thier (sic) arrival at the camp railroad till removing the corpses
>>> from the gas chambers, lasted about 2 hours. Treblinka was known among
>>> the Nazis as an example of good organization of a death camp. It was a
>>> real extermination centre."
>>> The first picture below shows the large memorial stone at the entrance
>>> to the cobblestone path up to the virtual cemetery. On the stone is a
>>> map showing the gravel pit in the center with the labor camp to the
>>> left and the extermination camp to the right. (On a real map, the
>>> gravel pit and labor camp are located to the south of the
>>> extermination camp.)
>>> The next picture shows, in the background, two stones placed at an
>>> angle to form a gate into the former camp, and in the foreground 6
>>> memorial stones, set close together, which are located just beyond the
>>> stone with the map, shown in the immediate foreground. Each of the six
>>> stones is inscribed with a different language including Hebrew,
>>> English and Polish. The inscription says that the camp was in
>>> operation from July 1942 to August 1943 and that during that time
>>> 800,000 Jews were killed there. It also mentions the Aug. 2, 1943
>>> uprising, calling it the "armed revolt which was crashed (sic) in
>>> blood by the Nazi hangmen." It was this uprising, along with those at
>>> Sobibor and Warsaw, which motivated the Nazis to liquidate the Jews of
>>> Lublin and Poniatowa in November 1943.
>>> The pamphlet says that "After the riot the camp was being slowly
>>> liquidated and in November of 1943 it was not existing already." By
>>> this time, the Germans were losing the war on the Russian front and
>>> were in retreat. The Treblinka camp was completely dismantled and
>>> destroyed when it was liquidated. Among the few survivors were those
>>> who escaped during the uprising and joined the partisans in the
>>> forests.
>>> The last picture shows the forest, looking toward the east, on the
>>> left side of the cobblestone path as you enter, with a line of stone
>>> markers which delineate the original northern border of the camp. It
>>> is so quiet here that the only sound is your own footsteps on the
>>> cobblestone path.
>>> Memorial stone at entrance to Treblinka extermination camp
>>> Two stones set as entrance gate and 6 stones with inscription in
>>> foreground
>>> Line of stones marks boundary line of Treblinka extermination camp in
>>> forest
>>> Stone Sculptures at Treblinka
>>> According to Jewish historian Martin Gilbert, the Treblinka camp was
>>> one of the three Operation Reinhard camps organized by Odilo Globocnik
>>> in 1942, after the assassination of Reinhard Heydrich in Prague, to
>>> carry out the Nazi plan for systematic extermination of the Jews.
>>> Reinhard Heydrich was the man who led the conference on January 20,
>>> 1942 at Wannsee, a suburb of Berlin, where the "Final Solution" for
>>> Europe's 11 million Jews was planned. The protocols from the
>>> conference used the expression "transportation to the East" as a
>>> euphemism to mean the genocidal killing of all the European Jews. The
>>> other two Operation Reinhard camps, Sobibor and Belzec, were also
>>> located on the eastern border of Poland, to the south of Treblinka.
>>> There were no "selections" made at the Operation Reinhard camps, nor
>>> at Chelmno. All three Operation Reinhard camps were located on major
>>> railroad lines from Poland into Russia.
>>> At this point in the war, the Nazis had penetrated deep inside the
>>> Soviet Union, after first taking the lands in eastern Poland which had
>>> been conquered by the Russians in Sept. 1939. Treblinka was located in
>>> the area of Poland which had been occupied by the Soviet Union from
>>> Sept. 1939 until the German invasion of Russia on June 22, 1941.
>>> The railroad tracks go in a straight line to Malkinia Junction from
>>> Warsaw and then branch off to Treblinka.
>>> In 1942 new railroad tracks were built by the Nazis, extending from
>>> the village of Treblinka into the extermination camp. At the camp, a
>>> storehouse was "disguised as a train station," according to the
>>> pamphlet available at the memorial site.
>>> After you pass through the two stones set at an angle to form an
>>> entrance gate into the area where the Treblinka camp once stood, you
>>> come upon an immense stone sculpture designed to represent the
>>> railroad ties on which the tracks were laid on the spur line that the
>>> Germans built from Treblinka into the camp. The tracks begin in the
>>> wooded area outside the camp boundary line, as the first picture below
>>> shows, and then make a sharp turn to the left (eastward) into the
>>> camp, as shown in the second picture. The second picture shows the
>>> camp boundary line represented by a series of stone markers.
>>> The third picture shows the end of the railroad spur line with a stone
>>> platform to the left. When the camp was in operation, there was a real
>>> train platform in this spot and behind it the storehouse, disguised as
>>> a train depot, which contained the clothing and other items which the
>>> victims had brought with them to the camp. In the background of the
>>> third picture, you can see a line of stones which represent the 10
>>> different countries, including Greece, Czechoslovakia, Poland,
>>> Bulgaria and others, from which the Jews were transported by train to
>>> be exterminated here in this remote, God-forsaken spot in the forest.
>>> Stones recreate railroad ties for the tracks which extended into
>>> Treblinka camp
>>> Stone railroad ties make sharp turn and continue inside camp boundary
>>> marked by large stones
>>> Polish students stand where fake station once stood behind recreated
>>> stone platform
>>> Symbolic Cemetery at Treblinka
>>> Just south of the recreated stone train platform, and in front of you
>>> as you are looking southward into the camp with the platform on the
>>> left, is the location of the "burial pits for those who died during
>>> transportation," according to the camp pamphlet.
>>> East of the burial pits, according to the pamphlet, was an "execution
>>> site (disguised as a hospital)." Farther east and half way up the
>>> gentle slope to where the symbolic graveyard now stands, there were "3
>>> old gas chambers" according to the pamphlet, and a short distance to
>>> the north of them were built "10 new gas chambers." According to my
>>> tour guide, the first gas chambers used carbon monoxide, but later
>>> some gas chambers were built which were disguised to look like showers
>>> and used the insecticide known as Zyklon B for gassing.
>>> A short distance farther up the slope to the east of the gas chambers
>>> was located the "cremation pyres" according to a map in the camp
>>> pamphlet. None of the three Operation Reinhard extermination camps,
>>> all of which were located on the Polish border, had a crematorium for
>>> burning the bodies of the dead. Of the other five extermination camps
>>> which were in operation during the same period (Chelmno, Sobibor,
>>> Belzec, Majdanek and Auschwitz-Birkenau), only Auschwitz-Birkenau and
>>> Majdanek, which also functioned as forced labor camps, had
>>> crematoriums.
>>> The first picture below shows a close-up of the stones commemorating
>>> the Jewish victims from Poland and Czechoslovakia. There are a total
>>> of 10 such stones with names of countries on them. According to Martin
>>> Gilbert in his book Holocaust Journey, there were 13,000 Jews deported
>>> here from the Greek provinces of Macedonia and Thrace, which were then
>>> occupied by Bulgaria, so their stone says "Bulgaria." (Bulgaria was an
>>> ally of Nazi Germany, along with Rumania, Hungary, Croatia, Slovakia,
>>> Finland, Italy, Austria, Lithuania, Estonia, and Latvia.) There is
>>> another stone for the 43,000 Greek Jews who were brought here. At the
>>> base of the stones, visitors have placed votive candles in metal cans,
>>> fresh cut flowers and tiny flags of Israel.
>>> The second picture shows a large granite memorial stone, designed to
>>> resemble a Jewish tombstone, which according to the camp pamphlet was
>>> built between 1959 and 1963. It is located approximately on the spot
>>> where the gas chambers stood, according to the tour guide. The view in
>>> the second picture is from the front side of the memorial, and you can
>>> see some of the stones of the symbolic cemetery behind it. Note the
>>> votive candles placed between the cracks and the flowers left at the
>>> base.
>>> The third picture shows the back side of the memorial tombstone,
>>> looking westward towards the memorial stones with 10 country names at
>>> the bottom of the slope. Notice the Menorah at the top of the
>>> tombstone. The large crack down the middle of the stone is part of the
>>> design. Surrounding the huge tombstone are some of the 1,700 small
>>> stones which represent the villages and towns from whence came the
>>> 800,000 victims of this Nazi barbarity.
>>> Stones which commemorate the Jewish victims from Poland and
>>> Czechoslovakia
>>> Front of stone monument at Treblinka symbolic graveyard
>>> Back side of stone monument, surrounded by symbolic grave stones, at
>>> Treblinka
>>> Stone Honoring Janusz Korczak
>>> Located on a knoll at the top of a gentle slope on the site of the
>>> former Treblinka extermination camp is a large circular area with
>>> 1,700 stones of various sizes and colors set into concrete, which
>>> represent a symbolic cemetery. According to a pamphlet which I
>>> purchased at the camp reception center, "The great monument in
>>> Treblinka is a homage of the Polish people to those ashes lie under
>>> the concrete plates of the symbolic cemetery. It is one of the most
>>> tragic monuments of martyrdom in Poland."
>>> My tour guide confirmed that the ashes of the 800,000 people who died
>>> here were placed in this area and are now hidden underneath the
>>> symbolic cemetery and by the grass and tiny flowers which cover the
>>> spot. The map in the camp pamphlet does not specify the exact spot
>>> where the ashes were buried.
>>> The tour guide pointed out one of the 1,700 symbolic stones which
>>> represents the city of Kielce in central Poland, where 42 Jews were
>>> killed by a mob of Polish citizens in a pogrom on July 4, 1946, long
>>> after the Nazi occupation had ended. Today Kielce is a modern
>>> industrial city with a population of 210,000, located between Warsaw
>>> and Krakow. In 1939, the Jewish population was around 25,000, although
>>> until the early 1800s, Jews were barred from living in the city. The
>>> 1946 pogrom was the last in Poland; after that most of the 300,000
>>> Polish Holocaust survivors fled the country.
>>> The first picture below shows just one section of the vast collection
>>> of 17,000 stones, representing the cities and villages which were the
>>> home towns of the victims. Only 130 of the stones have place names on
>>> them.
>>> The second picture shows the stone for Janusz Korczak, the only person
>>> to have an individual stone in the symbolic cemetery. Korczak was a
>>> pseudonym for Dr. Henryk Goldzmit. He was a teacher and a social
>>> worker who ran an orphanage in Warsaw. He also did a weekly radio show
>>> for children, and wrote a series of children's books in which the
>>> central character was a boy king named King Matt. In July 1942, he
>>> turned down the opportunity to escape from the ghetto, and instead
>>> accompanied his orphans to Treblinka where he was murdered along with
>>> them. According to the U.S. Holocaust Museum, Korczak marched with his
>>> 192 orphans to the Umschlagplatz with one child carrying the flag of
>>> King Matt with the Zionist flag on the other side of it.
>>> The third picture below represents the cremation pit where, according
>>> to the camp pamphlet, bodies were burned on "grates." The picture
>>> shows what the pamphlet calls "melted basalt" set on a "concrete
>>> fundamental plate." In the background of the picture, you can see four
>>> round containers where "eternal flames" can be lit on special
>>> occasions. The map in the camp pamphlet shows that there were actually
>>> two cremation pyres, located just east of the 10 new gas chambers. The
>>> bodies which had been previously buried were dug up and cremated on
>>> the orders of Heinrich Himmler, after he visited the camp in 1943,
>>> according to Martin Gilbert.
>>> 1,700 stones set in concrete in a circle at the top of hill in former
>>> Treblinka camp
>>> Individual stone honors Janusz Korczak who accompanied orphans to
>>> Treblinka
>>> Memorial stones of basalt recreate pits where bodies were burned in
>>> Treblinka
>>> Warsaw Stone
>>> The largest stone at the symbolic cemetery is the one for Warsaw, from
>>> where the largest number of Jews were transported to Treblinka.
>>> According to historian Martin Gilbert, there were 265,000 Jews from
>>> Warsaw deported to Treblinka. In 1940 the Jewish population of Warsaw
>>> and the surrounding area, about 400,000 people, were first crowded
>>> into a walled ghetto, then later sent to Treblinka and other camps.
>>> According to my tour guide, there are today around 4,000 Jews living
>>> in Warsaw, but only 500 of them go to the Synagogue regularly.
>>> The first picture below shows the large stone dedicated to the victims
>>> from Warszawa, the Polish name for the city that Americans know as
>>> Warsaw. Note the two flags of Israel and the small metal cans holding
>>> votive candles, left by recent visitors. This stone is the first one
>>> you see, right in front of the large memorial tombstone.
>>> The second picture shows more stones under a majestic tree in the back
>>> portion of the symbolic cemetery, behind the simulated cremation pit.
>>> According to the map in the camp pamphlet, the area behind the
>>> symbolic cremation pit was where the bodies were buried before they
>>> were dug up and cremated.
>>> The third picture is a close-up of the stones under the tree. As you
>>> can see, very few of the stones have names of the towns they
>>> represent. According to my tour guide, many relatives of those who
>>> died here come to the symbolic cemetery and are disappointed to find
>>> that their village is not named on any of the stones.
> 
> 


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RJ11 wrote:
> In article ,
> Protagonist   wrote:
> 
>    (snip)
> 
>    "Yes, Germans shoot inmates, they even gassed some, it
> was war!" -- posted by "szaki10@comcast.net",  Message-ID:
> .
> 
>    "they even gassed some".
> 
>    "Cramer" et. al. will skin you alive for that,  Julius.
> 
> RJ.

Yes, RJ! Gassing was an efficient way to execute people, like here in 
the US!
Even today, 5 states using gassing for execution.
Excess animals are gassed in the masses.
Here in California 3 million, just cats are gassed to death every year 
to control their numbers.
There were millions of Soviet POW's in German Concentration camps, many 
hard line Jewish commissars, officers, they were executed, gassed or shot.
Also, typhus spread through many camps, that had to be controlled.
War times, things gets very simplified.
Many died in Japanese-American concentration camps in diseases,guess 
what, US mainland wasn't even bombed, like Germany!
But you are to stupid to understand all these, Jew RJ.
JS




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ragland31@gmail.com wrote:
> On Aug 11, 1:48 am, TurkeyBoy  wrote:
>> On Aug 10, 10:02 pm, raglan...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> If Jews are such an abonimation then why did God create them?
>>> Michael Ragland
>> To punish us for abusing animals?
>>
>> Have a nice zionazi day!
> 
> Jews are an animal; we are all animals. And we abuse and kill
> each other as well as kill more "simple" animals. Generally,
> however, we don't eat each other.
> 
> Michael Ragland
> 

Please, some one lock this guy into the kuku house!
JS


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Richard Warren wrote:
> "george"  wrote in message 
> news:1186864872.139166.55930@q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>> On Aug 11, 4:41 pm, "B'inyamin Cramer" 
>> wrote:
>>> "george"  wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:1186806097.673917.141710@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Aug 10, 9:03 pm, "B'inyamin Cramer" 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>  wrote in message
>>>>> news:1186711492.281723.310050@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>> My preliminary findings suggest most of Benjamin Cramer's 
>>>>>> "responses"
>>>>>> range around 30 words; sometimes
>>>>>> as less than 8 and rarely past 40. I have yet to see an original 200
>>>>>> word short essay.
>>>>> What I need to say only takes a few words, Michael m'dear.
>>>>> A Holman I'm not.
>>>>> Why would I waste my time, writing a 2,500 word diatribe which 
>>>>> actually
>>>>> says
>>>>> nothing?
>>>> Your ten word diatribe also holds no content
>>> Who invited comment from you, kiwikunt?
>> Your inanities
>>
>>> TENEI  TE  TANGATA PU'RU-HURU
>> wow. Such research skills as to be able to look up the All Black haka.
>> Mummy must be very proud
> 
> 
> 
> Just as proud as Crammer is of his mum's ability to service a boatload of 
> sailors. 
> 
> 
Looks like, your mother serviced a few Jewish partisan divisions.
JS



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http://www.exs.hu/~uri/fun/MIEP_map.jpg

JS


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When they going to build museums for them, with pile of cat hair, tails 
, cat skin lampshades, cat shrunken heads and pile of cat leashes?
http://www.care2.com/c2c/groups/disc.html?gpp=68&pst=786501&archival=&posts=9

JS


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Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
> In article <1186685488.857775.324490@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
>   wrote:
>> On 9 aug, 07:30, Protagonist  wrote:
>>
>>> Only laughing stock here is you Mcvay and your Zionist friends!
>> No.
>>
>>> Milking your Canadian gov. for Holohoax money!
>> Prove it.
> 
> Julius is all mouth, and never proves anything. Consider his past record:
> 
I don't have to, I know!
  Your lying Holohoax figures are simple proof, like the 4 million death 
at Auschwitz and other Holocau$t children bedtime stories.
JS



> (Questions Szaki runs away from every time...)
> 
> Question 1:
> -----------
> 
> On June 13, 2005, you wrote:
> 
> "Although a final figure of Jews killed by the Einsatzgruppen has never been 
>  presented, the most extreme estimates by Yad Vashem and others say that 
>  between 900,000 and 1.25 million people - Jews and others - were killed by 
>  the special action units."
> 
> "This figure is without doubt a gross exaggeration, considering that the 
>  Einsatzgruppen never had more than 3,000 men in total serving in its units 
>  at any one time, and furthermore spent most of their time fighting 
>  partisans." 
> 
> "But even if this grossly exaggerated figure is accurate - and all evidence 
>  is that it is not - this grandiose figure is still nowhere near the 5 
>  million Jews the Nazis estimated were in the Soviet Union's territory." 
> 
> (Szaki, UseNet alt.revisionism, Message ID 
>  6oadnbn35bIiozDfRVn-1Q@comcast.com)
> 
> Please document your claim that the figure 1.2 million is a gross exaggeration,
> and then produce the "all evidence" mentioned in your third paragraph.
> 
> Include the name of publications containing this "all evidence,", the pages
> upon which this "all evidence" can be found, the publisher and publication
> date, and the author's name.
> 
> Question 2:
> -----------
> 
> On June 15, 2005, in response to the publication of document PS-2615 (First
> Nurnberg Tribunal), in which Wilhelm Hoettl explained that he had been
> told that 6 million Jews had died, you wrote:
> 
> "Sworn testimony, after torture! Nice try, moron!" (Szaki. UseNet alt.revisionism,
> Message ID X46dneLExIw3ajLfRVn-sg@comcast.com)
> 
> Please provide evidence that Herr Hoettl was, in fact, tortured.
> 
> Question 3:
> -----------
> 
> In article , on June 18, 2005, you
> asserted that Sgt. Ragene Farris, who served in the 329th Medical Battalion and
> described the horrors American troops had to face during the liberation of 
> the "Boelcke Kazerne" in Nordhausen concentration camp provided a fictional
> account. You wrote:
> 
> "Thank you JJ, this story of courage of Sergeant Ragene Farris really made me
> cry, very nice, heart breaking fictional tale."
> 
> Please provide documentary evidence which proves that condtions were not
> as Sgt. Farris described them.
> 
> Question 4:
> -----------
> On August 19, 2005, in article , you wrote:
> 
> "Why don't you talk about your stupid, boring, Nizkor website, all the
> cut/paste, fake stories and pictures."
> 
> Which pictures and stories, precisely, are "fake?" Please provide your evidence
> that specific pictures and/or stories are fake.
> 
> Question 5:
> -----------
> 
> On September 24th, 2005, you wrote:
> 
> In article ,
> szaki   wrote:
> 
>>> http://www2.ca.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/imt/nca/ftp.py?imt/nca/nca-05/nca-05-2615-ps
>  
>> *You're using Nizkor fake information, Brum-Brum-Bruno!
> 
> Please produce documentary evidence that Hoettl's sworn statement, which
> constituted document 2615-PS for the First Nurnberg Tribunal, is "fake 
> information."
> 
> Please demonstrate, again with documentary evidence, that Nizkor's copy of
> this document is not an textually exact rendering of 2615-PS.
> 
> Question 6:
> -----------
> 
> On October 1, 2005, you wrote the following of the statement of Dr. Sigmund Rascher:
> 
> In article ,
> szaki   wrote:
>> Ron Jacobson wrote:
>>> http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.py?people/r/rascher.sigmund//images/Rascher1.jpg
>>> http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.py?people/r/rascher.sigmund//images/Rascher2.jpg
> 
> [...]
>  
>> *Nice forgeries, like the 4 million death at Auschwitz and any thing 
>> else about the Holocau$t!
> 
> Please produce documented evidence that the Rascher statement, as shown on 
> two Nizkor Project images, are forgeries.
> 
> Please list the Western historians who cited the 4-Million figure as valid.
> 
> Question 7
> ----------
> 
> On October 2, 2005, in article ,
> you made the following claim:
> 
> "First, EG report was way inflated about numbers executed. EG all ways
> reported at least twice as much back to Germany, to make them self look
> good"
> 
> Please produce documented evidence that the Einsatzgruppen reports used inflated numbers.
> Cite the name of the report in question, and document your claim with respect to that
> report.
> 
> Question 8
> ----------
> 
> On October 23, 2005, in article ,
> you wrote:
> 
>> Running a website for profit, so called Nizkor, cashing in on other 
>> people misfortune and misery!
> 
> Please present evidence that Nizkor is run for a profit. 
> 


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William Daffer wrote:
> TurkeyBoy  writes:
> 
>> On Aug 9, 9:07 pm, kmc...@shell.vex.net (Kenneth McVay OBC) wrote:
>>
>>> Question 1:
>> 
> 
>   Because yo've never been able to answer it.
> 
> 
>>
>> Why should anyone answer any zionazi questions?
> 
>   Particularly when you can't answer it with intelligence, evidence
>   and logic?
> 
>   [snip]
> 
> whd

There is no answer for Holohoax lies.
It's like, trying to divide "0" by a any number, answer is all ways the 
same.
Zero!
JS


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i guess the Soviets didn't bother with prostitutes, they just raped any 
one who came around, eh?
 From young girls to old woman!
After the liberation of Auschwitz, Russian soldiers raped all female 
inmates in the camp.
How about that?
JS


david_michael wrote:
> I repost the following article from the Croatian media purely out of
> historical interest as it covers an aspect of camp life that is not
> greatly publicized. The article is anti-Nazi in tone but does reveal
> that certain prisoners had access to brothels, a fact that fits poorly
> with the notion that the Nazis were utterly beastly to inmates and
> treated them like animals. I'd be interested to hear what serious
> posters, both revisionist and anti, have to say about this.
> 
> http://www.javno.com/en/world/clanak.php?id=61288
> 
> Secrets Of Nazi Camp Brothels Emerge Decades On
> 
> Every prisoner had the right to be in the room for 15 minutes, and the
> guards would look through the holes in the wall to check on them.
> 
> For decades no one wanted to remember the concentration camp "special
> blocks" where the Nazis forced female inmates to entertain their male
> peers
> 
> Nazi commander Heinrich Himmler had ordered the creation of camp
> brothels in 1941. His logic was chilling -- male prisoners would work
> harder if offered the incentive of sex, and if only a few had this
> privilege it would crush solidarity.
> 
> As the horrors of Hitler's death camps emerged, the brothels swiftly
> became taboo. The mainly German women who had staffed them were too
> scarred by the experience to speak of it, whereas the male inmates who
> used them remained silent in shame.
> 
> Now an exhibition in Ravensbrueck women's concentration camp north of
> Berlin aims to shed light on the brothels and expose the Nazis'
> sinister attempt to manipulate prisoners' sexuality.
> 
> One man who tried to break this enduring silence is former Buchenwald
> prisoner Albert van Dijk, a Dutchman from the town of Kampen, close to
> the German border.
> 
> "Often I raised the subject of the 'special block' at meetings of
> former inmates of Buchenwald, but nobody ever wanted to discuss it or
> they said I was mistaken," said Van Dijk.
> 
> The 83-year-old still vividly recalls how at the age of 18, among the
> despair and degradation of the camp, he fell for a blonde prostitute
> called Frieda and lost his virginity to her in the "special block".
> 
> Although prostitution was officially forbidden by the Nazis, the elite
> SS guards had set up a network of brothels catering to German
> soldiers, forced labourers and prisoners, which they intended in part
> to stamp out homosexuality.
> 
>>From 1942 onwards, 200-300 gentile prisoners from the camp were forced
> to work in 10 camp brothels across Germany, Austria and Poland. Almost
> all had been imprisoned as "anti-social".
> 
> At first some women volunteered for service as prostitutes, falsely
> informed they would be released after 6 months. Later they were
> forcibly recruited during roll call or even from the camp sick bay.
> 
> Although the women got slightly better rations and could wear civilian
> clothes, the work reduced most to physical wrecks. Many caught
> sexually transmitted diseases, were subject to medical experiments or
> were forced to have abortions.
> 
> Each woman used a small room where male prisoners, after a brief
> examination, were allowed 15 minutes. Guards looked through peep holes
> to check sex only took place lying down, as stated in the rules.
> 
> After a full day of work in the camp, women spent two hours each night
> entertaining male prisoners, who paid two Reichsmark. Those who came
> to them held the most privileged positions among the hierarchy of
> prisoners, and had the best rations. The vast majority of the male
> prisoners were much too weak for sex.
> 
> FRIEDA
> 
> Frieda was the first woman Van Dijk had seen in 6 months. He was a
> teenager, sent to Buchenwald for fleeing a forced labour troop and
> smuggling rations to Kampen's Jews and was in awe of her. She
> appreciated his youthful coyness.
> 
> "One day I was sent to clean in the block and I found myself alone
> with her... She gave me some Schnaps, blew cigarette smoke in my mouth
> and we landed in bed. It was my first time and you never forget."
> 
> Later he had to pay like the others to see Frieda, a privilege allowed
> him as he was imprisoned neither on racial nor political grounds.
> 
> "You could let your relatives send you money which was written on an
> account to spend in the camp," recalls Van Dijk.
> 
> With grotesque efficiency, the SS camp administrators sometimes billed
> prisoners' families for services rendered in the brothel.
> 
> Other prisoners told him he should be ashamed for spending his
> mother's money in the brothel, but in an environment where sexual
> exploitation was rife and young men sometimes bartered with sexual
> favours, Van Dijk saw nothing wrong.
> 
> "Some young guys slept with older prisoners for an extra morsel of
> bread ... I was young and naive and thought Frieda was interested in
> me," he recalled.
> 
> After liberation, forced labourers began their fight for compensation.
> But women who had worked in the brothels found they were unable to
> claim damages, because of the supposed "voluntary" nature of their
> work.
> 
> Others, fearing stigmatisation and the scorn they had already
> attracted from other prisoners, simply fell silent.
> 
> The exhibition in Ravensbrueck, where tens of thousands of women were
> murdered or died of hunger or disease, has video extracts of former
> prisoners remembering the brothels and their victims, as well as
> vouchers which were handed in for sex.
> 
> "The theme invites voyeurism," said Insa Eschebach, head of the
> Ravensbrueck memorial site, which is why the exhibition relies mainly
> on the written word.
> 
> Concentration camps have featured as a backdrop in some erotic films
> and a realm of sexual fantasy, exploiting the extreme power gulf
> between SS guards and prisoners, she said.
> 
> Also on display are the few remaining photographs of the special
> blocks, where the rustic German furniture, vases of flowers and
> tablecloths belie the horror of what took place.
> 
> Published: July 11, 2007 14:58h
> 


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ragland31@gmail.com wrote:
> On Aug 11, 6:01 pm, Protagonist  wrote:
>> When they going to build museums for them, with pile of cat hair, tails
>> , cat skin lampshades, cat shrunken heads and pile of cat leashes?http://www.care2.com/c2c/groups/disc.html?gpp=68&pst=786501&archival=...
>>
>> JS
> 
> Silly and irrelevant.
> 
> Michael Ragland
> 

Same thing!
JS


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Very interesting Ragland, millions of Moslem's lived in Europe for 
centuries, Christen Europe were in war with them many times, Moslem's 
even occupied parts of Europe through force, still only the innocent 
Jews are the problems and were hated and abused by Europeans.
What did the Jews do to make them self to be hated so much?
Why not the Moslem's?
JS


ragland31@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> « THE CANARY IN THE MINESHAFT | Main | FROM THE EDITOR »
> September 11, 2004
> Are Anti-Semites Welcome in U.S. Politics?
> Edward Alexander
> 
> 
> Recent books on the resurgence of anti-Semitism center on the Muslim
> world and on Europe (which, partly for demographic reasons, is itself
> becoming more and more Islamicized). In both Epicenters of Jew-hatred,
> the memory of Hitler's war against the Jews plays a key role. The
> Muslims (especially their Arab branch) envy the "settlement" of the
> Jewish question that Hitler achieved; but the Europeans feel that the
> Holocaust had, so to speak, given traditional anti-Semitism a bad name
> and have tried to reshape it to meet present exigencies. As the
> Israeli novelist Aharon Appelfeld put it: "there is something very
> deep in European civilization: the need to demonize us. Because to
> this day, Europe has not given itself a full reckoning of what
> happened between 1939 and 1945....Because they haven't made a
> confession, the Europeans feel the need to say of the Jews that they
> are no better than them. On the contrary--they are worse."
> 
> And what of America? Will its famous "exceptionalism" protect it from
> the spreading anti-Semitic virus? Werner Sombart once called America
> "the promised land of capitalism," where "on the reefs of roast beef
> and apple pie socialist Utopias...are sent to their doom." Will anti-
> Semitism, "the socialism of fools," meet the same fate?
> 
> In America too, Arab/Islamic anti-Semitic propaganda has made inroads,
> and Islamic schools which teach that the Day of Judgment cannot arrive
> until "Muslims start attacking Jews" have found students eager to
> practice what their teachers preach. Nevertheless, as Gabriel
> Schoenfeld argues in The Return of Anti-Semitism here the main
> conquests of the anti-Semitic invasion have been in culture (including
> the "mainline" churches) and education rather than politics. We have
> the divestment campaign at the universities, the verbal and physical
> violence that pro-Israel speakers and students routinely experience on
> the more "progressive" campuses like UC Berkeley and San Francisco
> State, and the receptivity of English departments--most notably
> Harvard and Columbia--to scribblers of anti-Semitic doggerel like Tom
> Paulin. We have also witnessed a growing tendency to assign
> responsibility for the Iraq war to three mid-level Jewish officials in
> the government who (according to Maureen Dowd, Michael Lind, Georgie
> Anne Geyer, and the late Edward Said) conspired to intimidate those
> shrinking violets named George Bush, Dick Cheney, Condoleeza Rice,
> Donald Rumsfeld, and Colin Powell to the point where they formulated
> foreign policy enentirely on behalf of Israel.
> On this matter right and left polemicists use identical language; and
> it is the language of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, the late
> nineteenth century Czarist police forgery that has fueled anti-Semitic
> violence for nearly a century. Since 1990, Patrick Buchanan has
> alleged that Capitol Hill is "Israeli-occupied territory," and on
> February 5 of this year Thomas Friedman aped Buchanan by asserting
> that Ariel Sharon "[has] had George Bush under house arrest in the
> Oval office." Writers in Tikkun, the leftist Jewish journal whose
> motto seems to be "Nothing anti-Semitic is alien to us," warn of
> Jewish "conspirators" who run the U.S. government on behalf of "Jewish
> interests" and--as if this were not explicit enough--refer to "the
> industrial sized grain of truth" in the Protocols.
> The U.S. has also produced a bumper-crop of anti-Semitism deniers, a
> group parallel in its way to Holocaust deniers. No matter the outrage--
> boycotts, beatings, torched synagogues, apologias for suicide
> bombings, calls for Israel's immediate reduction to sandy wastes--such
> worthies as Tony Judt, Amitai Etzioni, and Judith Butler can be
> counted on to say "no, it's not anti-Semitic, it's criticism of
> Israeli policy." Or else--the line taken by journalist Paul Krugman
> and Professor Martin Jay--the anti-Semitism is justified.
> Such scribblers abound, especially among the learned classes. The
> pressing question of the moment is whether anti-Semitism will find
> sponsors in the world of organized politics as well. The question is
> not entirely a new one. In December of 1991 Buchanan challenged
> President George Bush for the 1992 Republican presidential nomination.
> Within days William Buckley, in the National Review (31 December),
> sounded the alarm about Buchanan's anti-Semitic fulminations. He said
> that Buchanan was a menace to the body politic and should be treated
> as such by the Republican Party. As late as 1996, Buchanan managed a
> pretty good roll of the dice as a candidate for the Republican
> presidential nomination, but eventually Buckley's view prevailed and
> by 2000 Buchanan had to shift his presidential aspirations to the
> Reform Party.
> 
> Now, however, it is the Democratic Party that seems to lay out the
> welcome mat for politicians who have a record of anti-Semitic speech
> and activity.
> During the Democratic campaign for the presidential nomination, one
> noticed curious innovations in the appeals made by the candidates,
> appeals not anti-Semitic in themselves but indicative of a powerful
> desire to conciliate a newly powerful bloc of voters: Arab-Americans,
> especially Muslims. In Seattle, for example, Dennis Kucinich's
> campaign managers gene for their little candidate two front-page
> photos in the Seattle Times: one showed him at the Islamic School
> (once upon a time home of the Seattle Hebrew Academy) in the south end
> of town, the other at the mosque in the north end of the city. Howard
> Dean pranced about at various places in an Arab head-scarf. John Kerry
> was greeted in Nevada by placards proclaiming: "Nevada Muslims for
> Kerry." Barack Obama, the keynote speaker at the Democratic
> convention, went out of his way to appeal to "Arab-American families"
> supposedly persecuted by the Bush administration.
> 
> And there was worse. Among the candidates for the Democratic
> nomination, treated with unfailing deference, not to say oily
> sycophancy, by his competitors was the Rev. Al Sharpton. One might
> have supposed that Sharpton's role in the Tawana Brawley affair as
> well as his record of blatantly anti-Semitic incitement of the most
> incendiary (and murderous) kind--in the Crown Heights section of
> Brooklyn in 1991 and in Harlem in 1995--would have made him persona
> non grata to a respectable American political party; but it did not.
> (Perhaps the party's leadership was grateful for the fact that at
> least one of the contenders for its nomination was intellectually and
> verbally nimble.)
> 
> In the past the party has been in thrall to Jesse Jackson, the world-
> class ambulance chaser and shakedown artist. Neither Jackson's
> description of New York City as "Hymietown" nor his complaint about
> being "sick and tired of hearing about the Holocaust" nor his embrace
> of Israel's most genocidally inclined enemies cost him support from
> the party's rank and file or its leadership. Among the victors in the
> July 20 Democratic Party in Georgia was Cynthia McKinney, who served
> five terms in Congress before being defeated in the Democratic primary
> of 2002 by Denise Majette. The stridently anti-Semitic character of
> her 2002 campaign, in which "Jews" were repeatedly blamed for her
> decline in the polls and eventual defeat, did not deter House
> Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi, then Democratic whip, from backing her
> unreservedly. She remains in good standing in the party.
> 
> At the recent Democratic nominating convention Sharpton was a featured
> and indeed rapturously adored speaker. In the aftermath of Kerry's
> acceptance speech he was as fixed a presence at the nominee's side as
> St. Teresa Kerry or John Edwards. And while Kerry and Sharpton were
> fawning on each other Jimmy Carter seemed to have found somebody whom
> he liked even more than Fidel Castro: Michael Moore, who sat with
> Carter and wife. Moore, let us recall, is not just somebody who lies
> as naturally as other people breathe; he is also a ferocious hater of
> Israel who has identified it as one of the three epicenters of evil in
> the world: "It's all part of the same ball of wax, right? The oil
> companies, Israel, Halliburton." Moore has also dedicated his book
> "Dude, Where's My Country?" to Rachel Corrie, the young woman who gave
> her life to enable Arab terrorists to murder Jewish children with
> impunity. And Moore is beloved not just by Jimmy Carter but by the
> rank and file of the party. In Washington State, for example, Deborah
> Senn, the (Jewish) candidate for Attorney General, arranged special
> showings of Moore's latest propaganda film and even sold tickets for
> it at $25 each.
> 
> One may then reasonably conclude that anti-Semitic and fiercely anti-
> Israel sentiments are no obstacle to influence and success in the
> Democratic Party. This does not, of course, mean that the party has
> become anti-Semitic, but that it has given an opening to anti-Semites
> and shown that espousal of modernity's most successfully lethal
> ideology--lethal not to Jews alone--does not hurt and may actually
> help one to rise in the party.
> 
> 
> And then there is--once again--the third party candidate, Ralph Nader.
> This darling of environmentalists, "friends of the earth," "friends of
> the species," lovers of virtue whose only uncertainty about Nader is
> whether voting for him might again cost Democrats the presidency, has
> allied himself with--Patrick Buchanan. The glue of the alliance is
> their shared anti-Semitism. Just before the Reform Party announced its
> endorsement of Nader in the impending presidential election, he gave
> an interview in Buchanan's American Conservative magazine. In it, he
> returned to a theme on which he had already speechified as follows:
> "What has been happening over the years is a predictable routine of
> foreign visitation from the head of the Israeli government. The
> Israeli puppeteer travels to Washington. The Israeli puppeteer meets
> with the puppet in the White House, and then moves down Pennsylvania
> Avenue, and meets with the puppets in Congress. And then takes back
> billions of taxpayer dollars..."
> 
> This was meat and drink to Buchanan, who eagerly elicited a repeat
> performance from Nader: "The subservience of our congressional and
> White House puppets to Israeli military policy has been consistent."
> With just a tiny bit of prodding, Buchanan also got Nader specifically
> to include John Kerry among the obedient puppets of the nefarious
> Jews.
> 
> Anti-Semitism is far from having made the inroads into the American
> political system that it has achieved in Europe, but certainly there
> is cause for worry even here--and perhaps for action as well, though
> that will require the casting off of Jewish political habits
> fossilized since the Roosevelt era.
> 
> Prof. Alexander's most recent book is Classical Liberalism and the
> Jewish Tradition (Transaction).
> 


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Remember WW2, bombing of Dresden by the Allies, using phosphorus bombs, 
burning civilians alive?

http://www.thecatsdream.com/blog/2005/11/bbc-of-course.htm

??“The US has now admitted using white phosphorus as a weapon in Falluja 
last year, after earlier denying it” the BBC reports (sic!) (1)<<


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Joe Bruno wrote:
> On Aug 11, 7:43 pm, Protagonist  wrote:
>> Remember WW2, bombing of Dresden by the Allies, using phosphorus bombs,
>> burning civilians alive?
>>
>> http://www.thecatsdream.com/blog/2005/11/bbc-of-course.htm
>>
>> ??"The US has now admitted using white phosphorus as a weapon in Falluja
>> last year, after earlier denying it" the BBC reports (sic!) (1)<<
> 
> 
> Did they really? Someone there is not familiar with  military
> technology and history. White phosphorous
> is used on the land battlefield and at sea mostly as a source of
> bright light in total darkness. The Navy
> calls it's WP containers "starshells". The Army calls it "Willie
> Peter". They are fired over a dimly lit or shadowy shape off in the
> distance.
> The starshell bursts over the target and a flare descends with White
> Phosphorous burning brightly attached to a parachute. It's purpose is
> to illuminate the target so the folks who fired it can see clearly
> what the target is. Then they decide to
> either leave the target alone, contact it by radio or shoot at it.
> 
> In all of naval history, I've never seen one case of it being used as
> a weapon.
> 
> 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SU3wkOGXlcY

 >>During the night that Dresden is bombed, she and Marek experience the 
terror – the rain of fire in the streets with its mighty winds,

  the phosphor bombs,

the anxiously wandering crowds of people, children searching for their 
parents, animals fleeing in panic from the zoo…
<<
http://www.beltz.de/foreign_rights/marek-and-maria.htm


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Eugene Holman wrote:
> In article ,
>  Protagonist  wrote:
> 
>> http://www.exs.hu/~uri/fun/MIEP_map.jpg
> 
> Köszönöm szépen. Nagyon mulatságos volt, különösen az ellenségek.
> 
> Eugene Holman

Nem mulatsagosabb, mint a Holohoax tortenetek.
JS


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RJ11 wrote:
> In article ,
> Protagonist   wrote:
> 
>> RJ11 wrote:
> 
>>>> Bergen-Belsen, claiming Germans starved and murdered these inmates.
> 
>>>    They sure did:
>>>
>>>    "That we sentence 1.2 million Jews to die of hunger should be
>>> noted only marginally" -- Hans Frank,  the Governor-General of the
>>> "Generalgouvernement" (part of Nazi-occupied Poland),  speaking about
>>> the Jews under his jurisdiction,  on 24 August 1942.  Source:  "Nazi
>>> Conspiracy and Aggression",  Vol. IV,  page 900.
>>>
>>>    Lt. Col. Johnston,  of the Royal Army Medical Corps,  had this to say
>>> after his inspection of the Belsen camp:  "There was obvious evidence of
>>> extreme and systematic starvation both in the living and the dead" (source:
>>> "The Belsen Trial",  page 46).
> 
>> Here ja go, same post over and over again.
> 
>    Posted as a reply to your lies,  which are posted over and over again.
> 
>> You found 2 payed agents to say some thing to support the Holohoax industry!
> 
>    "2 payed agents"?  Who "payed" them and when?
> 
> RJ.

Oh gee! Let me think, quick!
Maybe the Allies or the rich Zionist of America?
I'm sure after the war, all the hard hat Nazis either committed suicide 
or left Germany for the nice sunny South-America, only the wimp stayed 
around, manipulated by the Allies. Denouncing any thing to gain favors.
Russians did that with captured Axis generals during WW2, forcing them 
to denounce through radio of their own troops, not to fight, to 
demoralize them.
For example, captured general Paulus was used like that.
You are a very naive idiot or just plain stupid RJ.
JS



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ragland31@gmail.com wrote:
> On Aug 11, 4:12 pm, Protagonist  wrote:
>> If it's FREE speech, than let be Free for every one, idiot.
>> Not only for Jews and the Holohoax industry!
>> I've noticed you are a very narrow minded prick, Ragland!
>> JS
>>
>>
>>
>> raglan...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I've noticed several countries have banned "hate speech" whether
>>> speaking out in the street, at a
>>> convention, on the internet, etc. Of course, proponents of "free
>>> speech" often deride this state
>>> of affairs; especially neo-Nazi and Holocaust deniers from not being
>>> able to say what they want
>>> to say. In the U.S. the worst and most dangerous neo-Nazi garbage is
>>> allowed and tolerated by
>>> the U.S. government and no one can doubt these sites attract people
>>> and cause damage or
>>> inspire others (lone wolf) to commit acts of violence and murder.
>>> Therefore, I think it is
>>> inexcusable to allow this shit on the internet in the U.S. without law
>>> enforcement prosecuting
>>> them. In gist, I think U.S. law makers should make any website whose
>>> focus is violence and
>>> hatred towards ANY ethnic group prosecutable. I cherish free speech
>>> but it has always had
>>> limits and in this regard doesn't have any. I have no illusions; these
>>> people will still exist and
>>> form their own clandestine groups; they will scream about their loss
>>> of free speech. And if
>>> it reached the U.S. Supreme Court those dunces would probably act in
>>> favor of neo-Nazis
>>> and Holocaust denier's "free speech". But all these hundreds if not
>>> thousands of neo-Nazi
>>> and Holocaust denying websites are not healthy to have in one's
>>> society or world for the matter.
>>> It's not like being carded for alcohol or cigarettes; anybody,
>>> including unsupervised children, can
>>> come into contact with these websites. It's not like a library where
>>> the system blocks pornography.
>>> I know several anti-deniers would disagree with me and some might use
>>> the slippery slope
>>> argument but other countries have done it. There is no reason why the
>>> U.S. can't.
>>> Michael Ragland- Hide quoted text -
>> - Show quoted text -
> 
> 
> You could say the law is narrow. There needs to be laws to help
> protect society.
> I don't think I'm being narrowminded; I'm trying to be realistic. I
> realize the
> difficulties in doing what I propose: (a) the global nature and reach
> of the
> internet and coordination of laws which at the same times prosecutes
> administrators
> of Nazi and Holocaust denying websites and shuts them down while still
> keeping
> the internet functional and commercially viable. But the U.S.
> supremacy of
> "freedom of speech" shouldn't cover hate speech and it is playing with
> fire
> by allowing these sites to continue existing under the pretext of
> "freedom of
> speech." I'm not exclusively limiting it to just neo-Nazi or Holocaust
> denying
> websites; any website which constitutes hate speech; be it the Nation
> of Islam,
> hispanic hate websites, anti gay websites, etc.
> 
> I'd like to know what others think on this matter. Please don't play
> chicken.
> I expect the majority will say, "Let the gas pass." "You don't have to
> look at
> it if you don't want to, etc. Blah, blah, blah.
> 
> Michael Ragland
> 

Oh, I see! Now you want to limit or control, clean up the Internet!
Like, some of the Asian or M-Eastern governments, banning modems use.
US is fighting for, for the world to except the Internet in any form, 
now you want to limited?
Haha!
Good luck, dreamer!
JS




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Is this photo real to you or doctored?
Just look it that close, idiot moron!
Those skeletons are drawn by hand.
JS



Philip Mathews wrote:
> Nazi Shooting squads shot well over 1 million Jews in the Soviet Union
> and Eastern Europe. They buried the bodies in literally thousands of
> mass graves all over the region. What follows is a small collection of
> evidence, mostly visual, for these shootings, as well as the
> highlights of a report on the archeological study of mass graves at
> the Belzec extermination camp.
> 
> 
> A Report by United States Commission for the Preservation of America's
> Heritage Abroad. A list of approximately 500 mass grave sites in the
> Ukraine alone begins on page 142.
> http://www.heritageabroad.gov/reports/doc/survey_ukraine_2005.pdf
> 
> A short film of an Einsatzgruppen shooting in Liepaja
> http://www1.ushmm.org/wlc/media_fi.php?lang=en&ModuleId=10005130&Media
> Id=183
> 
> Extensive excerpts of the descriptions of mass graves found at Belzec
> by Professor Andrzej Kola and a team of archeologists from the
> University of Torun.
> 
> http://snurl.com/2oxq Grave Pits at Belzec - Summary
> 
> http://snurl.com/2oxr Grave Pits at Belzec - Summary of Grave Volumes
> 
> 
> http://snurl.com/2oxm Grave Pits at Belzec # 1
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> http://snurl.com/2p03 Grave Pits at Belzec #33
> 
> 
> Photos from the Archives of the Ghetto Fighters' House
> http://p102.ezboard.com/frodohforumfrm12.showMessage?topicID=250.topic
> 
> --
> Philip Mathews
> 


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Here's another one!
http://www.infocenters.co.il/gfh_multimedia/GFH/0000002086/0000002086_1_web.jpg
JS


Philip Mathews wrote:
> Nazi Shooting squads shot well over 1 million Jews in the Soviet Union
> and Eastern Europe. They buried the bodies in literally thousands of
> mass graves all over the region. What follows is a small collection of
> evidence, mostly visual, for these shootings, as well as the
> highlights of a report on the archeological study of mass graves at
> the Belzec extermination camp.
> 
> 
> A Report by United States Commission for the Preservation of America's
> Heritage Abroad. A list of approximately 500 mass grave sites in the
> Ukraine alone begins on page 142.
> http://www.heritageabroad.gov/reports/doc/survey_ukraine_2005.pdf
> 
> A short film of an Einsatzgruppen shooting in Liepaja
> http://www1.ushmm.org/wlc/media_fi.php?lang=en&ModuleId=10005130&Media
> Id=183
> 
> Extensive excerpts of the descriptions of mass graves found at Belzec
> by Professor Andrzej Kola and a team of archeologists from the
> University of Torun.
> 
> http://snurl.com/2oxq Grave Pits at Belzec - Summary
> 
> http://snurl.com/2oxr Grave Pits at Belzec - Summary of Grave Volumes
> 
> 
> http://snurl.com/2oxm Grave Pits at Belzec # 1
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> 
> 
> Photos from the Archives of the Ghetto Fighters' House
> http://p102.ezboard.com/frodohforumfrm12.showMessage?topicID=250.topic
> 
> --
> Philip Mathews
> 


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This picture could've been be staged, easy!
Notice? No blood or wounds!
http://www.infocenters.co.il/gfh_multimedia/GFH/0000002346/0000002346_1_web.jpg
JS



Philip Mathews wrote:
> Nazi Shooting squads shot well over 1 million Jews in the Soviet Union
> and Eastern Europe. They buried the bodies in literally thousands of
> mass graves all over the region. What follows is a small collection of
> evidence, mostly visual, for these shootings, as well as the
> highlights of a report on the archeological study of mass graves at
> the Belzec extermination camp.
> 
> 
> A Report by United States Commission for the Preservation of America's
> Heritage Abroad. A list of approximately 500 mass grave sites in the
> Ukraine alone begins on page 142.
> http://www.heritageabroad.gov/reports/doc/survey_ukraine_2005.pdf
> 
> A short film of an Einsatzgruppen shooting in Liepaja
> http://www1.ushmm.org/wlc/media_fi.php?lang=en&ModuleId=10005130&Media
> Id=183
> 
> Extensive excerpts of the descriptions of mass graves found at Belzec
> by Professor Andrzej Kola and a team of archeologists from the
> University of Torun.
> 
> http://snurl.com/2oxq Grave Pits at Belzec - Summary
> 
> http://snurl.com/2oxr Grave Pits at Belzec - Summary of Grave Volumes
> 
> 
> http://snurl.com/2oxm Grave Pits at Belzec # 1
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> 
> 
> Photos from the Archives of the Ghetto Fighters' House
> http://p102.ezboard.com/frodohforumfrm12.showMessage?topicID=250.topic
> 
> --
> Philip Mathews
> 


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This photo shows typhus victims in a mass grave.
Belsen camp had many thousands died this way, even after the British 
took over the camp!
See the bone skinny bodies.
http://www.infocenters.co.il/gfh_multimedia/GFH/0000003886/0000003886_1_web.jpg
JS


Philip Mathews wrote:
> Nazi Shooting squads shot well over 1 million Jews in the Soviet Union
> and Eastern Europe. They buried the bodies in literally thousands of
> mass graves all over the region. What follows is a small collection of
> evidence, mostly visual, for these shootings, as well as the
> highlights of a report on the archeological study of mass graves at
> the Belzec extermination camp.
> 
> 
> A Report by United States Commission for the Preservation of America's
> Heritage Abroad. A list of approximately 500 mass grave sites in the
> Ukraine alone begins on page 142.
> http://www.heritageabroad.gov/reports/doc/survey_ukraine_2005.pdf
> 
> A short film of an Einsatzgruppen shooting in Liepaja
> http://www1.ushmm.org/wlc/media_fi.php?lang=en&ModuleId=10005130&Media
> Id=183
> 
> Extensive excerpts of the descriptions of mass graves found at Belzec
> by Professor Andrzej Kola and a team of archeologists from the
> University of Torun.
> 
> http://snurl.com/2oxq Grave Pits at Belzec - Summary
> 
> http://snurl.com/2oxr Grave Pits at Belzec - Summary of Grave Volumes
> 
> 
> http://snurl.com/2oxm Grave Pits at Belzec # 1
> 
> http://snurl.com/2oxx Grave Pits at Belzec #2
> 
> http://snurl.com/2oxz Grave Pits at Belzec #3
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> http://snurl.com/2ozu Grave Pits at Belzec #30
> 
> http://snurl.com/2ozy Grave Pits at Belzec #31
> 
> http://snurl.com/2p01 Grave Pits at Belzec #32
> 
> http://snurl.com/2p03 Grave Pits at Belzec #33
> 
> 
> Photos from the Archives of the Ghetto Fighters' House
> http://p102.ezboard.com/frodohforumfrm12.showMessage?topicID=250.topic
> 
> --
> Philip Mathews
> 


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You showing the same mass grave of typhus victims in different angles, 
moron!
Is that your proof for a million Jews shot to death?
http://www.infocenters.co.il/gfh_multimedia/GFH/0000003908/0000003908_1_web.jpg
JS


Philip Mathews wrote:
> Nazi Shooting squads shot well over 1 million Jews in the Soviet Union
> and Eastern Europe. They buried the bodies in literally thousands of
> mass graves all over the region. What follows is a small collection of
> evidence, mostly visual, for these shootings, as well as the
> highlights of a report on the archeological study of mass graves at
> the Belzec extermination camp.
> 
> 
> A Report by United States Commission for the Preservation of America's
> Heritage Abroad. A list of approximately 500 mass grave sites in the
> Ukraine alone begins on page 142.
> http://www.heritageabroad.gov/reports/doc/survey_ukraine_2005.pdf
> 
> A short film of an Einsatzgruppen shooting in Liepaja
> http://www1.ushmm.org/wlc/media_fi.php?lang=en&ModuleId=10005130&Media
> Id=183
> 
> Extensive excerpts of the descriptions of mass graves found at Belzec
> by Professor Andrzej Kola and a team of archeologists from the
> University of Torun.
> 
> http://snurl.com/2oxq Grave Pits at Belzec - Summary
> 
> http://snurl.com/2oxr Grave Pits at Belzec - Summary of Grave Volumes
> 
> 
> http://snurl.com/2oxm Grave Pits at Belzec # 1
> 
> http://snurl.com/2oxx Grave Pits at Belzec #2
> 
> http://snurl.com/2oxz Grave Pits at Belzec #3
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> http://snurl.com/2oy2 Grave Pits at Belzec #4
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> http://snurl.com/2ozy Grave Pits at Belzec #31
> 
> http://snurl.com/2p01 Grave Pits at Belzec #32
> 
> http://snurl.com/2p03 Grave Pits at Belzec #33
> 
> 
> Photos from the Archives of the Ghetto Fighters' House
> http://p102.ezboard.com/frodohforumfrm12.showMessage?topicID=250.topic
> 
> --
> Philip Mathews
> 


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Obvious typhus victims!
http://www.infocenters.co.il/gfh_multimedia/GFH/0000003003/0000003003_1_web.jpg
JS


Philip Mathews wrote:
> Nazi Shooting squads shot well over 1 million Jews in the Soviet Union
> and Eastern Europe. They buried the bodies in literally thousands of
> mass graves all over the region. What follows is a small collection of
> evidence, mostly visual, for these shootings, as well as the
> highlights of a report on the archeological study of mass graves at
> the Belzec extermination camp.
> 
> 
> A Report by United States Commission for the Preservation of America's
> Heritage Abroad. A list of approximately 500 mass grave sites in the
> Ukraine alone begins on page 142.
> http://www.heritageabroad.gov/reports/doc/survey_ukraine_2005.pdf
> 
> A short film of an Einsatzgruppen shooting in Liepaja
> http://www1.ushmm.org/wlc/media_fi.php?lang=en&ModuleId=10005130&Media
> Id=183
> 
> Extensive excerpts of the descriptions of mass graves found at Belzec
> by Professor Andrzej Kola and a team of archeologists from the
> University of Torun.
> 
> http://snurl.com/2oxq Grave Pits at Belzec - Summary
> 
> http://snurl.com/2oxr Grave Pits at Belzec - Summary of Grave Volumes
> 
> 
> http://snurl.com/2oxm Grave Pits at Belzec # 1
> 
> http://snurl.com/2oxx Grave Pits at Belzec #2
> 
> http://snurl.com/2oxz Grave Pits at Belzec #3
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> http://snurl.com/2oy2 Grave Pits at Belzec #4
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> http://snurl.com/2oy9 Grave Pits at Belzec #6
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> http://snurl.com/2oyr Grave Pits at Belzec #15
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> http://snurl.com/2oyt Grave Pits at Belzec # 16
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> http://snurl.com/2oyu Grave Pits at Belzec #17
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> http://snurl.com/2oyw Grave Pits at Belzec #18
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> http://snurl.com/2oyx Grave Pits at Belzec #19
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> http://snurl.com/2ozd Grave Pits at Belzec #27
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> http://snurl.com/2ozf Grave Pits at Belzec #28
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> http://snurl.com/2ozh Grave Pits at Belzec #29
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> http://snurl.com/2ozu Grave Pits at Belzec #30
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> http://snurl.com/2ozy Grave Pits at Belzec #31
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> http://snurl.com/2p01 Grave Pits at Belzec #32
> 
> http://snurl.com/2p03 Grave Pits at Belzec #33
> 
> 
> Photos from the Archives of the Ghetto Fighters' House
> http://p102.ezboard.com/frodohforumfrm12.showMessage?topicID=250.topic
> 
> --
> Philip Mathews
> 


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Protagonist wrote:
> Is this photo real to you or doctored?
http://www.infocenters.co.il/gfh_multimedia/GFH/0000002085/0000002085_1_web.jpg

> Just look it that close, idiot moron!
> Those skeletons are drawn by hand.
> JS
> 
> 
> 
> Philip Mathews wrote:
>> Nazi Shooting squads shot well over 1 million Jews in the Soviet Union
>> and Eastern Europe. They buried the bodies in literally thousands of
>> mass graves all over the region. What follows is a small collection of
>> evidence, mostly visual, for these shootings, as well as the
>> highlights of a report on the archeological study of mass graves at
>> the Belzec extermination camp.
>>
>>
>> A Report by United States Commission for the Preservation of America's
>> Heritage Abroad. A list of approximately 500 mass grave sites in the
>> Ukraine alone begins on page 142.
>> http://www.heritageabroad.gov/reports/doc/survey_ukraine_2005.pdf
>>
>> A short film of an Einsatzgruppen shooting in Liepaja
>> http://www1.ushmm.org/wlc/media_fi.php?lang=en&ModuleId=10005130&Media
>> Id=183
>>
>> Extensive excerpts of the descriptions of mass graves found at Belzec
>> by Professor Andrzej Kola and a team of archeologists from the
>> University of Torun.
>>
>> http://snurl.com/2oxq Grave Pits at Belzec - Summary
>>
>> http://snurl.com/2oxr Grave Pits at Belzec - Summary of Grave Volumes
>>
>>
>> http://snurl.com/2oxm Grave Pits at Belzec # 1
>>
>> http://snurl.com/2oxx Grave Pits at Belzec #2
>>
>> http://snurl.com/2oxz Grave Pits at Belzec #3
>>
>> http://snurl.com/2oy2 Grave Pits at Belzec #4
>>
>> http://snurl.com/2oy3 Grave Pits at Belzec #5
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>> http://snurl.com/2oy9 Grave Pits at Belzec #6
>>
>> http://snurl.com/2oyb Grave Pits at Belzec #7
>>
>> http://snurl.com/2oyd Grave Pits at Belzec #8
>>
>> http://snurl.com/2oyf Grave Pits at Belzec #9
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>> http://snurl.com/2oyh Grave Pits at Belzec #10
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>> http://snurl.com/2oyj Grave Pits at Belzec #11
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>> http://snurl.com/2oyl Grave Pits at Belzec #12
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>> http://snurl.com/2oyo Grave Pits at Belzec #13
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>> http://snurl.com/2oyq Grave Pits at Belzec #14
>>
>> http://snurl.com/2oyr Grave Pits at Belzec #15
>>
>> http://snurl.com/2oyt Grave Pits at Belzec # 16
>>
>> http://snurl.com/2oyu Grave Pits at Belzec #17
>>
>> http://snurl.com/2oyw Grave Pits at Belzec #18
>>
>> http://snurl.com/2oyx Grave Pits at Belzec #19
>>
>> http://snurl.com/2ozd Grave Pits at Belzec #27
>>
>> http://snurl.com/2ozf Grave Pits at Belzec #28
>>
>> http://snurl.com/2ozh Grave Pits at Belzec #29
>>
>> http://snurl.com/2ozu Grave Pits at Belzec #30
>>
>> http://snurl.com/2ozy Grave Pits at Belzec #31
>>
>> http://snurl.com/2p01 Grave Pits at Belzec #32
>>
>> http://snurl.com/2p03 Grave Pits at Belzec #33
>>
>>
>> Photos from the Archives of the Ghetto Fighters' House
>> http://p102.ezboard.com/frodohforumfrm12.showMessage?topicID=250.topic
>>
>> -- 
>> Philip Mathews
>>


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Philip Mathews wrote:
> On Aug 12, 11:03 am, KeeponChoog...@webtv.net (Curly C) wrote:
>> Don't you mean Stalin's mass graves? What the hell do you think he did
>> with the 20-30 million he killed in the 1930's.
> 
> Sorry stupid, these are known Holocaust graves.
After WW2 propaganda, idiot.
Show any forensic evidence, investigation done by independent, neutral body.
JS

> 
> What can you expect from someone using webtv!
> 
> --
> Philip Mathews
> 
> 


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Kurt Knoll wrote:
> This one picture is taken from a news paper article. Jews are great when it 
> comes to changing headers.
Don't matter!
Obvious it was drawn by hand, very bad manipulation!
JS

> 
> Kurt Knoll.
> 
> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
> news:IeadnWa5IYVEtyLbnZ2dnUVZ_qzinZ2d@comcast.com...
>> Here's another one!
>> http://www.infocenters.co.il/gfh_multimedia/GFH/0000002086/0000002086_1_web.jpg
>> JS
>>
>>
>> Philip Mathews wrote:
>>> Nazi Shooting squads shot well over 1 million Jews in the Soviet Union
>>> and Eastern Europe. They buried the bodies in literally thousands of
>>> mass graves all over the region. What follows is a small collection of
>>> evidence, mostly visual, for these shootings, as well as the
>>> highlights of a report on the archeological study of mass graves at
>>> the Belzec extermination camp.
>>>
>>>
>>> A Report by United States Commission for the Preservation of America's
>>> Heritage Abroad. A list of approximately 500 mass grave sites in the
>>> Ukraine alone begins on page 142.
>>> http://www.heritageabroad.gov/reports/doc/survey_ukraine_2005.pdf
>>>
>>> A short film of an Einsatzgruppen shooting in Liepaja
>>> http://www1.ushmm.org/wlc/media_fi.php?lang=en&ModuleId=10005130&Media
>>> Id=183
>>>
>>> Extensive excerpts of the descriptions of mass graves found at Belzec
>>> by Professor Andrzej Kola and a team of archeologists from the
>>> University of Torun.
>>>
>>> http://snurl.com/2oxq Grave Pits at Belzec - Summary
>>>
>>> http://snurl.com/2oxr Grave Pits at Belzec - Summary of Grave Volumes
>>>
>>>
>>> http://snurl.com/2oxm Grave Pits at Belzec # 1
>>>
>>> http://snurl.com/2oxx Grave Pits at Belzec #2
>>>
>>> http://snurl.com/2oxz Grave Pits at Belzec #3
>>>
>>> http://snurl.com/2oy2 Grave Pits at Belzec #4
>>>
>>> http://snurl.com/2oy3 Grave Pits at Belzec #5
>>>
>>> http://snurl.com/2oy9 Grave Pits at Belzec #6
>>>
>>> http://snurl.com/2oyb Grave Pits at Belzec #7
>>>
>>> http://snurl.com/2oyd Grave Pits at Belzec #8
>>>
>>> http://snurl.com/2oyf Grave Pits at Belzec #9
>>>
>>> http://snurl.com/2oyh Grave Pits at Belzec #10
>>>
>>> http://snurl.com/2oyj Grave Pits at Belzec #11
>>>
>>> http://snurl.com/2oyl Grave Pits at Belzec #12
>>>
>>> http://snurl.com/2oyo Grave Pits at Belzec #13
>>>
>>> http://snurl.com/2oyq Grave Pits at Belzec #14
>>>
>>> http://snurl.com/2oyr Grave Pits at Belzec #15
>>>
>>> http://snurl.com/2oyt Grave Pits at Belzec # 16
>>>
>>> http://snurl.com/2oyu Grave Pits at Belzec #17
>>>
>>> http://snurl.com/2oyw Grave Pits at Belzec #18
>>>
>>> http://snurl.com/2oyx Grave Pits at Belzec #19
>>>
>>> http://snurl.com/2ozd Grave Pits at Belzec #27
>>>
>>> http://snurl.com/2ozf Grave Pits at Belzec #28
>>>
>>> http://snurl.com/2ozh Grave Pits at Belzec #29
>>>
>>> http://snurl.com/2ozu Grave Pits at Belzec #30
>>>
>>> http://snurl.com/2ozy Grave Pits at Belzec #31
>>>
>>> http://snurl.com/2p01 Grave Pits at Belzec #32
>>>
>>> http://snurl.com/2p03 Grave Pits at Belzec #33
>>>
>>>
>>> Photos from the Archives of the Ghetto Fighters' House
>>> http://p102.ezboard.com/frodohforumfrm12.showMessage?topicID=250.topic
>>>
>>> --
>>> Philip Mathews
>>>
> 
> 


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>>> http://snurl.com/2ozyGrave Pits at Belzec #31
>>> http://snurl.com/2p01Grave Pits at Belzec #32
>>> http://snurl.com/2p03Grave Pits at Belzec #33
>>> Photos from the Archives of the Ghetto Fighters' House
>>> http://p102.ezboard.com/frodohforumfrm12.showMessage?topicID=250.topic
> 
>> Is this photo real to you or doctored?
> 
> Photos, stupid, dozens.
> 
> And there's nothing doctored about them.

Open you eye some times and look, idiot.
http://www.infocenters.co.il/gfh_multimedia/GFH/0000002085/0000002085_1_web.jpg
I drew batter picture when I was 10 years old!

> 
> How'd you like the film?

Go ahead, let's see the film!
I'm sure it was taken in Bergen-Belsen, of dead typhus victims!
JS

> 
> Don't top post.
> 
> --
> Philip Mathews
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> Just look it that close, idiot moron!
>> Those skeletons are drawn by hand.
>> JS
>>
>>
>>
> 


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Philip Mathews wrote:
> On Aug 12, 12:10 pm, Protagonist  wrote:
>>> Kurt Knoll.
>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message
>>> news:IeadnWa5IYVEtyLbnZ2dnUVZ_qzinZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>> Here's another one!
>>>> http://www.infocenters.co.il/gfh_multimedia/GFH/0000002086/0000002086...
>>>> JS
>>>> Philip Mathews wrote:
>>>>> Nazi Shooting squads shot well over 1 million Jews in the Soviet Union
>>>>> and Eastern Europe. They buried the bodies in literally thousands of
>>>>> mass graves all over the region. What follows is a small collection of
>>>>> evidence, mostly visual, for these shootings, as well as the
>>>>> highlights of a report on the archeological study of mass graves at
>>>>> the Belzec extermination camp.
>>>>> A Report by United States Commission for the Preservation of America's
>>>>> Heritage Abroad. A list of approximately 500 mass grave sites in the
>>>>> Ukraine alone begins on page 142.
>>>>> http://www.heritageabroad.gov/reports/doc/survey_ukraine_2005.pdf
>>>>> A short film of an Einsatzgruppen shooting in Liepaja
>>>>> http://www1.ushmm.org/wlc/media_fi.php?lang=en&ModuleId=10005130&Media
>>>>> Id=183
>>>>> Extensive excerpts of the descriptions of mass graves found at Belzec
>>>>> by Professor Andrzej Kola and a team of archeologists from the
>>>>> University of Torun.
>>>>> http://snurl.com/2oxqGrave Pits at Belzec - Summary
>>>>> http://snurl.com/2oxrGrave Pits at Belzec - Summary of Grave Volumes
>>>>> http://snurl.com/2oxmGrave Pits at Belzec # 1
>>>>> http://snurl.com/2oxxGrave Pits at Belzec #2
>>>>> http://snurl.com/2oxzGrave Pits at Belzec #3
>>>>> http://snurl.com/2oy2Grave Pits at Belzec #4
>>>>> http://snurl.com/2oy3Grave Pits at Belzec #5
>>>>> http://snurl.com/2oy9Grave Pits at Belzec #6
>>>>> http://snurl.com/2oybGrave Pits at Belzec #7
>>>>> http://snurl.com/2oydGrave Pits at Belzec #8
>>>>> http://snurl.com/2oyfGrave Pits at Belzec #9
>>>>> http://snurl.com/2oyhGrave Pits at Belzec #10
>>>>> http://snurl.com/2oyjGrave Pits at Belzec #11
>>>>> http://snurl.com/2oylGrave Pits at Belzec #12
>>>>> http://snurl.com/2oyoGrave Pits at Belzec #13
>>>>> http://snurl.com/2oyqGrave Pits at Belzec #14
>>>>> http://snurl.com/2oyrGrave Pits at Belzec #15
>>>>> http://snurl.com/2oytGrave Pits at Belzec # 16
>>>>> http://snurl.com/2oyuGrave Pits at Belzec #17
>>>>> http://snurl.com/2oywGrave Pits at Belzec #18
>>>>> http://snurl.com/2oyxGrave Pits at Belzec #19
>>>>> http://snurl.com/2ozdGrave Pits at Belzec #27
>>>>> http://snurl.com/2ozfGrave Pits at Belzec #28
>>>>> http://snurl.com/2ozhGrave Pits at Belzec #29
>>>>> http://snurl.com/2ozuGrave Pits at Belzec #30
>>>>> http://snurl.com/2ozyGrave Pits at Belzec #31
>>>>> http://snurl.com/2p01Grave Pits at Belzec #32
>>>>> http://snurl.com/2p03Grave Pits at Belzec #33
>>>>> Photos from the Archives of the Ghetto Fighters' House
>>>>> http://p102.ezboard.com/frodohforumfrm12.showMessage?topicID=250.topic
> 
>> Kurt Knoll wrote:
>>> This one picture is taken from a news paper article.
> 
> LOL!
> 
>> Don't matter!
>> Obvious it was drawn by hand, very bad manipulation!
> 
> Holocaust denial for idiots!
> 
> You do realize that you have to be one of the stupidest deniers to
> ever grace AR?

http://www.infocenters.co.il/gfh_multimedia/GFH/0000002086/0000002086_1_web.jpg
Haha! My wife just looked it the picture above, she smiled.
Any way, she's a photo artist!
This pictures are for idiot Jews like you!
Some one show a dog bones to them and they see Holocau$t in it.
Meaning, you have to sue, for big money!
JS


> 
> And there is a long list.
> 
> --
> Philip Mathews
> 
> 


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Philip Mathews wrote:
> On Aug 12, 11:46 am, Protagonist  wrote:
>> Philip Mathews wrote:
>>> Nazi Shooting squads shot well over 1 million Jews in the Soviet Union
>>> and Eastern Europe. They buried the bodies in literally thousands of
>>> mass graves all over the region. What follows is a small collection of
>>> evidence, mostly visual, for these shootings, as well as the
>>> highlights of a report on the archeological study of mass graves at
>>> the Belzec extermination camp.
>>> A Report by United States Commission for the Preservation of America's
>>> Heritage Abroad. A list of approximately 500 mass grave sites in the
>>> Ukraine alone begins on page 142.
>>> http://www.heritageabroad.gov/reports/doc/survey_ukraine_2005.pdf
>>> A short film of an Einsatzgruppen shooting in Liepaja
>>> http://www1.ushmm.org/wlc/media_fi.php?lang=en&ModuleId=10005130&Media
>>> Id=183
>>> Extensive excerpts of the descriptions of mass graves found at Belzec
>>> by Professor Andrzej Kola and a team of archeologists from the
>>> University of Torun.
>>> http://snurl.com/2oxqGrave Pits at Belzec - Summary
>>> http://snurl.com/2oxrGrave Pits at Belzec - Summary of Grave Volumes
>>> http://snurl.com/2oxmGrave Pits at Belzec # 1
>>> http://snurl.com/2oxxGrave Pits at Belzec #2
>>> http://snurl.com/2oxzGrave Pits at Belzec #3
>>> http://snurl.com/2oy2Grave Pits at Belzec #4
>>> http://snurl.com/2oy3Grave Pits at Belzec #5
>>> http://snurl.com/2oy9Grave Pits at Belzec #6
>>> http://snurl.com/2oybGrave Pits at Belzec #7
>>> http://snurl.com/2oydGrave Pits at Belzec #8
>>> http://snurl.com/2oyfGrave Pits at Belzec #9
>>> http://snurl.com/2oyhGrave Pits at Belzec #10
>>> http://snurl.com/2oyjGrave Pits at Belzec #11
>>> http://snurl.com/2oylGrave Pits at Belzec #12
>>> http://snurl.com/2oyoGrave Pits at Belzec #13
>>> http://snurl.com/2oyqGrave Pits at Belzec #14
>>> http://snurl.com/2oyrGrave Pits at Belzec #15
>>> http://snurl.com/2oytGrave Pits at Belzec # 16
>>> http://snurl.com/2oyuGrave Pits at Belzec #17
>>> http://snurl.com/2oywGrave Pits at Belzec #18
>>> http://snurl.com/2oyxGrave Pits at Belzec #19
>>> http://snurl.com/2ozdGrave Pits at Belzec #27
>>> http://snurl.com/2ozfGrave Pits at Belzec #28
>>> http://snurl.com/2ozhGrave Pits at Belzec #29
>>> http://snurl.com/2ozuGrave Pits at Belzec #30
>>> http://snurl.com/2ozyGrave Pits at Belzec #31
>>> http://snurl.com/2p01Grave Pits at Belzec #32
>>> http://snurl.com/2p03Grave Pits at Belzec #33
>>> Photos from the Archives of the Ghetto Fighters' House
>>> http://p102.ezboard.com/frodohforumfrm12.showMessage?topicID=250.topic
> 
>> This picture could've been be staged, easy!
>> Notice? No blood or wounds!http://www.infocenters.co.il/gfh_multimedia/GFH/0000002346/0000002346...
> 
> Woulda, coulda, shoulda. The best a brain dead denier can do!

During the civil wars, news media photographers staged many pictures of 
the war dead, to sensationalists the war and sell lot of papers.
Readers don't care, they just want to see horror.
Like car racing fans, all they want to see is crashes.
JS


> 
> Stop top posting.
> 
> --
> Philip Mathews
> 


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Philip Mathews wrote:>>> http://snurl.com/2p01Grave Pits at Belzec #32
>>> http://snurl.com/2p03Grave Pits at Belzec #33
> 
>> This photo shows typhus victims in a mass grave.
> 
> Not necessarily.
> 
>> Belsen camp had many thousands died this way,
> 
> So what. Death by disease was just another murder method used by the
> Nazis.

Your stupid ass!
There was no food at the end of war, over crowded camps.
Camps had sanitation, but inmates didn't want to use it.
More convenient to piss and shit inside the barracks.
I worked with Romanians and Albanians back in the 70's, they didn't know 
how to use the English toilet.
They would stand on it and try to aim into the hole of toilet. Many 
times missed, end up with a pile of shit on the sit.
That was the better ones, because some just shit next to it.
Also, I was in Russia in the late 70's, we went to the best restaurant 
in the city of Reni, close to the Black sea!
Toilet was a foot deep hole in the ground, with 2 bricks on the side, 
one steps on and aim into the hole.
There was a steal wire basket in the corner, where the used toilet paper 
(Newspaper) were thrown. Smelled good!
When it was full, they just burn it.
JS




> 
> When you don't feed, clothe, or provide proper sanitation, disease and
> death is what you get.
> 
> Murder all the same.
> 
> --
> Philip Mathews
> 


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Phil3
>>> Photos from the Archives of the Ghetto Fighters' House
>>> http://p102.ezboard.com/frodohforumfrm12.showMessage?topicID=250.topic
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>>> Philip Mathews- Hide quoted text -
> 
> Obviously emaciated corpses, stupid!

No they're not!
JS

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Philip Mathews wrote:
> On Aug 12, 12:59 pm, Protagonist  wrote:
> 
>> During the civil wars, news media photographers staged many pictures of
>> the war dead,
> 
> Irrelevant to anything under discussion.
> 
> Got any evidence, stupid?
> 
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Not long ago, I think  PBS had a documentary about it, showing many photos.
Same with the Holocau$t, staged photos to prove it.
Jews are very good actors, Hollywood is full of them.
JS


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Philip Mathews wrote:
> On Aug 12, 12:50 pm, Protagonist  wrote:
>>>>> http://snurl.com/2ozyGravePits at Belzec #31
>>>>> http://snurl.com/2p01GravePits at Belzec #32
>>>>> http://snurl.com/2p03GravePits at Belzec #33
>>>>> Photos from the Archives of the Ghetto Fighters' House
>>>>> http://p102.ezboard.com/frodohforumfrm12.showMessage?topicID=250.topic
>>>> Is this photo real to you or doctored?
>>> Photos, stupid, dozens.
>>> And there's nothing doctored about them.
>> Open you eye some times and look, idiot.http://www.infocenters.co.il/gfh_multimedia/GFH/0000002085/0000002085...
>> I drew batter picture when I was 10 years old!
>>
>>
>>
>>> How'd you like the film?
> 
>>> Don't top post.
> 
>>>> Just look it that close, idiot moron!
>>>> Those skeletons are drawn by hand.
> 
> No they're not.

Yes they are.
You are not just stupid, blind too.
> 
>> Go ahead, let's see the film!
>> I'm sure it was taken in Bergen-Belsen, of dead typhus victims!
> 
> The link was in the original post, stupid.
It don't come up!
JS

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Philip Mathews wrote:
> On Aug 12, 12:55 pm, Protagonist  wrote:
> 
>> Haha! My wife just looked it the picture above, she smiled.
> 
> This is what passes for evidence for the halfwit Szaki.
> 
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You would be surprised what a keen eye she has, when it comes to color 
or details in photos.
Also, it's obvious it is a drawing, bad one too.
JS


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philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
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>> Philip Mathews wrote:
>>> On Aug 12, 11:03 am, KeeponChoog...@webtv.net (Curly C) wrote:
>>>> Don't you mean Stalin's mass graves? What the hell do you think he 
>>>> did
>>>> with the 20-30 million he killed in the 1930's.
>>> Sorry stupid, these are known Holocaust graves.
>> After WW2 propaganda, idiot.
> 
> Obviously stupid!
> 
>> Show any forensic evidence, investigation done by independent, 
>> neutral body.
> 
> Got any forensic evidence for any war ever fought, stupid?
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That's right idiot, they digging it up all the time, even today.
Just seen a documentary on H channels, digging up WW1 tranches in 
France, identifying every piece of bones and objects, reconstructing how 
they died and how the war was fought.
Unlike the so called "Jewish mass-graves", can not be disturbed.
JS


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philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
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>> Phil3
>>>>> Photos from the Archives of the Ghetto Fighters' House
>>>>> http://p102.ezboard.com/frodohforumfrm12.showMessage?topicID=250.topic
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>>> Obviously emaciated corpses, stupid!
>> No they're not!
> 
> LOL!
> 
> Stupid.
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> 
> 
That explains every thing, blind Jew!
You've been polishing diamonds to long.
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philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
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>> Philip Mathews wrote:
>>> On Aug 12, 12:59 pm, Protagonist  wrote:
>>>
>>>> During the civil wars, news media photographers staged many 
>>>> pictures of
>>>> the war dead,
>>> Irrelevant to anything under discussion.
>>>
>>> Got any evidence, stupid?
>> Not long ago, I think  PBS had a documentary about it, showing many 
>> photos.
> 
> Nothing to do with the subject, stupid.
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> 
> 
Yes it does, idiot.
Shows even earlier, how the media manipulated the public.
You posting here drawings of mass-graves for proof! Haha!
You are out of your mind,stupid!
JS


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philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
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>> Philip Mathews wrote:>>> http://snurl.com/2p01Grave Pits at Belzec 
>> #32
>>>>> http://snurl.com/2p03Grave Pits at Belzec #33
>>>> This photo shows typhus victims in a mass grave.
>>> Not necessarily.
>>>
>>>> Belsen camp had many thousands died this way,
>>> So what. Death by disease was just another murder method used by 
>>> the
>>> Nazis.
>> Your stupid ass!
>> There was no food at the end of war,
> 
> There was plenty of food. The only people starving were those in the 
> Nazi camps. And food was only part of the cause of disease, stupid. 
> Deliberate denial of means for proper sanitation was itself a major 
> cause of disease.
> 
> Murder is murder, by whatever means.
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> 
> 
Not really lying fucker!
Even Hoess said on his trial, food was scares and the allies bombed 
every transportation that moved.
Why don't you go and lie to your Zionist brothers.
JS


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philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
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>> Philip Mathews wrote:
>>> On Aug 12, 12:55 pm, Protagonist  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Haha! My wife just looked it the picture above, she smiled.
>>> This is what passes for evidence for the halfwit Szaki.
> 
>> You would be surprised what a keen eye she has,
> 
> She picked you didn't she?
> 
> Nuf said.
> 
> In any event, what you claim your wife claims is not evidence, stupid.
> 
> --
> Philip Mathews
> 
> 
Stop arguing f***er,  obvious, it's a drawing.
Any one can see!
JS


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philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
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>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
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>>>> Philip Mathews wrote:
>>>>> On Aug 12, 12:59 pm, Protagonist  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> During the civil wars, news media photographers staged many 
>>>>>> pictures of
>>>>>> the war dead,
>>>>> Irrelevant to anything under discussion.
>>>>>
>>>>> Got any evidence, stupid?
>>>> Not long ago, I think  PBS had a documentary about it, showing 
>>>> many photos.
>>> Nothing to do with the subject, stupid.
> 
>> Yes it does, idiot.
> 
> Nope.
> 
>> Shows even earlier, how the media manipulated the public.
> 
> Which offers no evidence of any kind for what we're discussing, 
> stupid.
> 
> --
> Philip Mathews
> 
> 

Yes, it does, you're just too blind to the truth!
JS


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philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
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>>>> Phil3
>>>>>>> Photos from the Archives of the Ghetto Fighters' House
>>>>>>> http://p102.ezboard.com/frodohforumfrm12.showMessage?topicID=250.topic
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Philip Mathews- Hide quoted text -
>>>>> Obviously emaciated corpses, stupid!
>>>> No they're not!
>>> LOL!
>>>
>>> Stupid.
> 
>> That explains every thing, blind Jew!
> 
> Yup, your mindless Jew hatred explains what little about you there is 
> understand, stupid.
> 
> But that doesn't help your pathetic denial, which is still exposed as 
> empty and moronic.
> 
> --
> Philip Mathews
> 
> 

Blind words, no proof what so ever from you!
Other than bad drawings from newspaper clippings.
JS


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>>>> Philip Mathews wrote:
>>>>> On Aug 12, 12:55 pm, Protagonist  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Haha! My wife just looked it the picture above, she smiled.
>>>>> This is what passes for evidence for the halfwit Szaki.
>>>> You would be surprised what a keen eye she has,
>>> She picked you didn't she?
>>>
>>> Nuf said.
>>>
>>> In any event, what you claim your wife claims is not evidence, 
>>> stupid.
> 
>> Stop arguing f***er,
> 
> Getting a little annoyed, stupid!
> 
> Face it, your bleating is not evidence.
> 
> --
> Philip Mathews
> 
> 

Your drawings are no evidence, eh?
Court wouldn't incarcerates a dog for evidence like that!
JS


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>>>>>> Philip Mathews wrote:
>>>>>>> On Aug 12, 12:59 pm, Protagonist  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> During the civil wars, news media photographers staged many 
>>>>>>>> pictures of
>>>>>>>> the war dead,
>>>>>>> Irrelevant to anything under discussion.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Got any evidence, stupid?
>>>>>> Not long ago, I think  PBS had a documentary about it, showing 
>>>>>> many photos.
>>>>> Nothing to do with the subject, stupid.
>>>> Yes it does, idiot.
>>> Nope.
>>>
>>>> Shows even earlier, how the media manipulated the public.
>>> Which offers no evidence of any kind for what we're discussing, 
>>> stupid.
> 
>> Yes, it does,
> 
> No, it doesn't. Your TV program has nothing to do with what we're 
> discussing.
Documentary has a lot to do, proving how media can manipulate the 
paublic with falls images, like yours.
> 
> Too bad you can't read books.

Of course stupido, only you can read books.
Aren't you a bit of a high minded Jew?
JS


> 
> --
> Philip Mathews
> 
> 


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>>>> Philip Mathews wrote:>>> http://snurl.com/2p01Grave Pits at Belzec 
>>>> #32
>>>>>>> http://snurl.com/2p03Grave Pits at Belzec #33
>>>>>> This photo shows typhus victims in a mass grave.
>>>>> Not necessarily.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Belsen camp had many thousands died this way,
>>>>> So what. Death by disease was just another murder method used by 
>>>>> the
>>>>> Nazis.
>>>> Your stupid ass!
>>>> There was no food at the end of war,
>>> There was plenty of food. The only people starving were those in 
>>> the Nazi camps. And food was only part of the cause of disease, 
>>> stupid. Deliberate denial of means for proper sanitation was itself 
>>> a major cause of disease.
>>>
>>> Murder is murder, by whatever means.
> 
>> Not really lying fucker!
> 
> Of course it is. Intentionally causing death is murder, stupid.
> 
>> Even Hoess said on his trial, food was scares and the allies bombed 
>> every transportation that moved.
> 
> He said no such thing, liar. And Hoess had nothing to do with Belsen.
> 
> --
> Philip Mathews
> 
> 
> 

Hoess was commandant in Auschwitz, but knew about the situation in other 
camps too.
Guess what, they had radio in WW2, smoke signals idiot.
JS



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>>>>> On Aug 12, 11:03 am, KeeponChoog...@webtv.net (Curly C) wrote:
>>>>>> Don't you mean Stalin's mass graves? What the hell do you think 
>>>>>> he did
>>>>>> with the 20-30 million he killed in the 1930's.
>>>>> Sorry stupid, these are known Holocaust graves.
>>>> After WW2 propaganda, idiot.
>>> Obviously stupid!
>>>
>>>> Show any forensic evidence, investigation done by independent, 
>>>> neutral body.
>>> Got any forensic evidence for any war ever fought, stupid?
>> That's right idiot, they digging it up all the time, even today.
> 
> Show us the forensic evidence for the battle of Gettysburg, stupid.
> 
> --
> Philip Mathews
> 
> 
> 
> 

Gattysburg was a battlefield, no one sued any one for billions of $$$$$$ 
for it.
Guess what, historians still digging there for artifacts.
Not a close case like your Holohoax, based on falls eyewitness stories.
JS



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>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
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>>>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
>>>>> news:cvidnU66L-vi3SLbnZ2dnUVZ_sLinZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>>> Phil3
>>>>>>>>> Photos from the Archives of the Ghetto Fighters' House
>>>>>>>>> http://p102.ezboard.com/frodohforumfrm12.showMessage?topicID=250.topic
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Philip Mathews- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>> Obviously emaciated corpses, stupid!
>>>>>> No they're not!
>>>>> LOL!
>>>>>
>>>>> Stupid.
>>>> That explains every thing, blind Jew!
>>> Yup, your mindless Jew hatred explains what little about you there 
>>> is understand, stupid.
>>>
>>> But that doesn't help your pathetic denial, which is still exposed 
>>> as empty and moronic.
> 
>> Blind words, no proof what so ever from you!
> 
> Evidence has already been given, stupid.
> 
> Your scholarly response has been: "is not".
> 
> --
> Philip Mathews
> 
> 
You mean your bad drawings of mass graves are the evidence?
10 year old is smarter than you.
JS


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philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
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>>>>>> Philip Mathews wrote:
>>>>>>> On Aug 12, 12:55 pm, Protagonist  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Haha! My wife just looked it the picture above, she smiled.
>>>>>>> This is what passes for evidence for the halfwit Szaki.
>>>>>> You would be surprised what a keen eye she has,
>>>>> She picked you didn't she?
>>>>>
>>>>> Nuf said.
>>>>>
>>>>> In any event, what you claim your wife claims is not evidence, 
>>>>> stupid.
>>>> Stop arguing f***er,
>>> Getting a little annoyed, stupid!
>>>
>>> Face it, your bleating is not evidence.
> 
>> Your drawings are no evidence, eh?
> 
> Photos, stupid, photos. And they're not mine.
> 
> --
> Philip Mathews
> 
> 
They are  photos of drawings, idiot!
Why don't you ask some one around you?
JS


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philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
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>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
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>>>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
>>>>> news:Ls6dnY4WFsXM2yLbnZ2dnUVZ_gWdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>>>>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
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>>>>>>>> Philip Mathews wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Aug 12, 12:59 pm, Protagonist  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> During the civil wars, news media photographers staged many 
>>>>>>>>>> pictures of
>>>>>>>>>> the war dead,
>>>>>>>>> Irrelevant to anything under discussion.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Got any evidence, stupid?
>>>>>>>> Not long ago, I think  PBS had a documentary about it, showing 
>>>>>>>> many photos.
>>>>>>> Nothing to do with the subject, stupid.
>>>>>> Yes it does, idiot.
>>>>> Nope.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Shows even earlier, how the media manipulated the public.
>>>>> Which offers no evidence of any kind for what we're discussing, 
>>>>> stupid.
>>>> Yes, it does,
>>> No, it doesn't. Your TV program has nothing to do with what we're 
>>> discussing.
>> Documentary has a lot to do,
> 
> Nope, the documentary had to do with a particular instance, stupid.
> 
> And not Holocaust mass graves.
> 
> --
> Philip Mathews
> 
> 

Same thing!
Public manipulation with falls images, except in earlier times.

JS


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>>>>>> Philip Mathews wrote:>>> http://snurl.com/2p01Grave Pits at 
>>>>>> Belzec #32
>>>>>>>>> http://snurl.com/2p03Grave Pits at Belzec #33
>>>>>>>> This photo shows typhus victims in a mass grave.
>>>>>>> Not necessarily.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Belsen camp had many thousands died this way,
>>>>>>> So what. Death by disease was just another murder method used 
>>>>>>> by the
>>>>>>> Nazis.
>>>>>> Your stupid ass!
>>>>>> There was no food at the end of war,
>>>>> There was plenty of food. The only people starving were those in 
>>>>> the Nazi camps. And food was only part of the cause of disease, 
>>>>> stupid. Deliberate denial of means for proper sanitation was 
>>>>> itself a major cause of disease.
>>>>>
>>>>> Murder is murder, by whatever means.
>>>> Not really lying fucker!
>>> Of course it is. Intentionally causing death is murder, stupid.
>>>
>>>> Even Hoess said on his trial, food was scares and the allies 
>>>> bombed every transportation that moved.
>>> He said no such thing, liar. And Hoess had nothing to do with 
>>> Belsen.
>> Hoess was commandant in Auschwitz,
> 
> Not at the end of the war he wasn't. And Auschwitz was not Belsen.
> 
>> but knew about the situation in other camps too.
> 
> And he didn't say what you claimed, stupid.
> 
> There was no food shortage, just the starvation of inmates in the 
> camps.

Really! I guess there was no war either.
Normally in war time there are plenty of every thing!
You are really stupid, man!
JS

> 
> That is murder.
> 
> --
> Philip Mathews
> 
> 
> 
No it's not!


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>>>>>>>> Phil3
>>>>>>>>>>> Photos from the Archives of the Ghetto Fighters' House
>>>>>>>>>>> http://p102.ezboard.com/frodohforumfrm12.showMessage?topicID=250.topic
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>>>>>>>>> Obviously emaciated corpses, stupid!
>>>>>>>> No they're not!
>>>>>>> LOL!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Stupid.
>>>>>> That explains every thing, blind Jew!
>>>>> Yup, your mindless Jew hatred explains what little about you 
>>>>> there is understand, stupid.
>>>>>
>>>>> But that doesn't help your pathetic denial, which is still 
>>>>> exposed as empty and moronic.
>>>> Blind words, no proof what so ever from you!
>>> Evidence has already been given, stupid.
>>>
>>> Your scholarly response has been: "is not".
>>>
>> You mean your bad drawings
> 
> Photos, stupid.
> 
> And "is not" is not an argument.
> 
> --
> Philip Mathews
> 
> 
Photos of bad drawings! Haha!
I'll post this in other NG, see what they think.
I'll make an ass out of you!
JS




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>>>>>> Philip Mathews wrote:
>>>>>>> On Aug 12, 11:03 am, KeeponChoog...@webtv.net (Curly C) wrote:
>>>>>>>> Don't you mean Stalin's mass graves? What the hell do you 
>>>>>>>> think he did
>>>>>>>> with the 20-30 million he killed in the 1930's.
>>>>>>> Sorry stupid, these are known Holocaust graves.
>>>>>> After WW2 propaganda, idiot.
>>>>> Obviously stupid!
>>>>>
>>>>>> Show any forensic evidence, investigation done by independent, 
>>>>>> neutral body.
>>>>> Got any forensic evidence for any war ever fought, stupid?
>>>> That's right idiot, they digging it up all the time, even today.
>>> Show us the forensic evidence for the battle of Gettysburg, stupid.
> 
>> Gattysburg was a battlefield,
> 
> Prove it with forensic evidence, stupid.
> 
> You see, forensic evidence is not necessary for historical truth. If 
> you weren't so stupid you'd know that.
> 
> --
> Philip Mathews
> 
> 
If there suing involved, courts, hanging people etc...
yes, forensic evidence is a must.
Which, you Zionist don't like!
JS


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>>>>>>>> Philip Mathews wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Aug 12, 12:55 pm, Protagonist  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Haha! My wife just looked it the picture above, she smiled.
>>>>>>>>> This is what passes for evidence for the halfwit Szaki.
>>>>>>>> You would be surprised what a keen eye she has,
>>>>>>> She picked you didn't she?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nuf said.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In any event, what you claim your wife claims is not evidence, 
>>>>>>> stupid.
>>>>>> Stop arguing f***er,
>>>>> Getting a little annoyed, stupid!
>>>>>
>>>>> Face it, your bleating is not evidence.
>>>> Your drawings are no evidence, eh?
>>> Photos, stupid, photos. And they're not mine.
> 
>> They are  photos of drawings, idiot!
> 
> LOL!
> 
> Did they tell you that on teevee also?
> 
> --
> Philip Mathews
> 
> 
Any one can see that.
JS


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philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
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>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
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>>>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
>>>>> news:Ls6dnYsWFsU02iLbnZ2dnUVZ_gWdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>>>>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
>>>>>>> news:Ls6dnY4WFsXM2yLbnZ2dnUVZ_gWdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>>>>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
>>>>>>>>> news:cvidnUm6L-u63CLbnZ2dnUVZ_sLinZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>>>>>>> Philip Mathews wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 12, 12:59 pm, Protagonist  
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> During the civil wars, news media photographers staged 
>>>>>>>>>>>> many pictures of
>>>>>>>>>>>> the war dead,
>>>>>>>>>>> Irrelevant to anything under discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Got any evidence, stupid?
>>>>>>>>>> Not long ago, I think  PBS had a documentary about it, 
>>>>>>>>>> showing many photos.
>>>>>>>>> Nothing to do with the subject, stupid.
>>>>>>>> Yes it does, idiot.
>>>>>>> Nope.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Shows even earlier, how the media manipulated the public.
>>>>>>> Which offers no evidence of any kind for what we're discussing, 
>>>>>>> stupid.
>>>>>> Yes, it does,
>>>>> No, it doesn't. Your TV program has nothing to do with what we're 
>>>>> discussing.
>>>> Documentary has a lot to do,
>>> Nope, the documentary had to do with a particular instance, stupid.
>>>
>>> And not Holocaust mass graves.
> 
>> Same thing!
> 
> Obviously not the same thing at all, stupid.
> 
> --
> Philip Mathews
> 
> 
> 
Same to me and to any one.
Except you, because you want to believe in the Holohoax.
JS


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>>>>>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
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>>>>>>>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
>>>>>>>>> news:cvidnU66L-vi3SLbnZ2dnUVZ_sLinZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>>>>>>> Phil3
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Photos from the Archives of the Ghetto Fighters' House
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://p102.ezboard.com/frodohforumfrm12.showMessage?topicID=250.topic
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Philip Mathews- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>> Obviously emaciated corpses, stupid!
>>>>>>>>>> No they're not!
>>>>>>>>> LOL!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Stupid.
>>>>>>>> That explains every thing, blind Jew!
>>>>>>> Yup, your mindless Jew hatred explains what little about you 
>>>>>>> there is understand, stupid.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But that doesn't help your pathetic denial, which is still 
>>>>>>> exposed as empty and moronic.
>>>>>> Blind words, no proof what so ever from you!
>>>>> Evidence has already been given, stupid.
>>>>>
>>>>> Your scholarly response has been: "is not".
>>>>>
>>>> You mean your bad drawings
>>> Photos, stupid.
>>>
>>> And "is not" is not an argument.
> 
>> Photos of bad drawings! Haha!
> 
> Now you're getting boring and repeating yourself.
> 
> Either way, you demonstrate your impotence as a denier.
> 
> --
> Philip Mathews

Your drawings  as evidence, shows your impotence as a Holocau$ter.
Really primitive crap!
Plus, you keep pushing it on others, trying to brain wash.
JS




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>>>>>>>> Philip Mathews wrote:>>> http://snurl.com/2p01Grave Pits at 
>>>>>>>> Belzec #32
>>>>>>>>>>> http://snurl.com/2p03Grave Pits at Belzec #33
>>>>>>>>>> This photo shows typhus victims in a mass grave.
>>>>>>>>> Not necessarily.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Belsen camp had many thousands died this way,
>>>>>>>>> So what. Death by disease was just another murder method used 
>>>>>>>>> by the
>>>>>>>>> Nazis.
>>>>>>>> Your stupid ass!
>>>>>>>> There was no food at the end of war,
>>>>>>> There was plenty of food. The only people starving were those 
>>>>>>> in the Nazi camps. And food was only part of the cause of 
>>>>>>> disease, stupid. Deliberate denial of means for proper 
>>>>>>> sanitation was itself a major cause of disease.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Murder is murder, by whatever means.
>>>>>> Not really lying fucker!
>>>>> Of course it is. Intentionally causing death is murder, stupid.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Even Hoess said on his trial, food was scares and the allies 
>>>>>> bombed every transportation that moved.
>>>>> He said no such thing, liar. And Hoess had nothing to do with 
>>>>> Belsen.
>>>> Hoess was commandant in Auschwitz,
>>> Not at the end of the war he wasn't. And Auschwitz was not Belsen.
>>>
>>>> but knew about the situation in other camps too.
>>> And he didn't say what you claimed, stupid.
>>>
>>> There was no food shortage, just the starvation of inmates in the 
>>> camps.
>> Really! I guess there was no war either.
> 
> Another idiotic comment.
> 
> How many Germans died in this end of war food shortage, stupid!

Many Germans died, 9 million! Not even counting all the axis countries 
and others died after the war in the Soviet gulags.
Lot more than Jews.
> 
> Deliberate starvation is murder, and that's what the Nazis did at 
> Belsen and other locations.

Typhus is not a deliberate murder, idiot.
JS

> 
> --
> Philip Mathews
> 
> 


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>>>>>>>>>> Philip Mathews wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 12, 12:55 pm, Protagonist  
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Haha! My wife just looked it the picture above, she 
>>>>>>>>>>>> smiled.
>>>>>>>>>>> This is what passes for evidence for the halfwit Szaki.
>>>>>>>>>> You would be surprised what a keen eye she has,
>>>>>>>>> She picked you didn't she?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nuf said.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In any event, what you claim your wife claims is not 
>>>>>>>>> evidence, stupid.
>>>>>>>> Stop arguing f***er,
>>>>>>> Getting a little annoyed, stupid!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Face it, your bleating is not evidence.
>>>>>> Your drawings are no evidence, eh?
>>>>> Photos, stupid, photos. And they're not mine.
>>>> They are  photos of drawings, idiot!
>>> LOL!
>>>
>>> Did they tell you that on teevee also?
> 
>> Any one can see that.
> 
> Ain't that the truth!!
> 
> Ever hear of books?
> 
> --
> Philip Mathews

Don't need books, just look it the damn thing.
http://www.infocenters.co.il/gfh_multimedia/GFH/0000002085/0000002085_1_web.jpg 

JS


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>>>>>>>> Philip Mathews wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Aug 12, 11:03 am, KeeponChoog...@webtv.net (Curly C) 
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Don't you mean Stalin's mass graves? What the hell do you 
>>>>>>>>>> think he did
>>>>>>>>>> with the 20-30 million he killed in the 1930's.
>>>>>>>>> Sorry stupid, these are known Holocaust graves.
>>>>>>>> After WW2 propaganda, idiot.
>>>>>>> Obviously stupid!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Show any forensic evidence, investigation done by independent, 
>>>>>>>> neutral body.
>>>>>>> Got any forensic evidence for any war ever fought, stupid?
>>>>>> That's right idiot, they digging it up all the time, even today.
>>>>> Show us the forensic evidence for the battle of Gettysburg, 
>>>>> stupid.
>>>> Gattysburg was a battlefield,
>>> Prove it with forensic evidence, stupid.
>>>
>>> You see, forensic evidence is not necessary for historical truth. 
>>> If you weren't so stupid you'd know that.
>>>
>> If there suing involved, courts, hanging people etc...
>> yes, forensic evidence is a must.
> 
> Nope, not a necessary piece of evidence at all.
> 
> So you know as little about the law as you do history.
> 
> Just not enough good teevee shows, eh stupid.
> 
> --
> Philip Mathews
> 
> 
I know you Jews, don't need forensic evidence, only the US military 
might to enforce it.
JS


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snow wrote:
> 
> "Curly C"  wrote in message 
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>> Don't you mean Stalin's mass graves? What the hell do you think he did
>> with the 20-30 million he killed in the 1930's.
>>
>>
> 
> I am sure there are many mass graves. From Jews killed by Nazis to Poles 
> killed by NKVD but also older graves when Stalin and Bolsheviks killed 
> Poles and Russians.
> I am sure also there are ways of identifing all mass graves. Some ways 
> are by clothes buttons or any other items that didn't decey.
> But saying that all graves are Jews killed by Nazis is just 
> disrespectful to other victims killed.

Drawings like these are the proof for the Zionist, for the Holohoax!
http://www.infocenters.co.il/gfh_multimedia/GFH/0000002085/0000002085_1_web.jpg
http://www.infocenters.co.il/gfh_multimedia/GFH/0000002086/0000002086_1_web.jpg 


JS


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philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
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>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
>>> news:Cf-dncq-YLXM0yLbnZ2dnUVZ_hqdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
>>>>> news:UqqdnXp4cZiM1iLbnZ2dnUVZ_rmjnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>>>>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
>>>>>>> news:udWdnSmD7ZgT3iLbnZ2dnUVZ_veinZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>>>>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
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>>>>>>>>>> Philip Mathews wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 12, 11:03 am, KeeponChoog...@webtv.net (Curly C) 
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Don't you mean Stalin's mass graves? What the hell do you 
>>>>>>>>>>>> think he did
>>>>>>>>>>>> with the 20-30 million he killed in the 1930's.
>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry stupid, these are known Holocaust graves.
>>>>>>>>>> After WW2 propaganda, idiot.
>>>>>>>>> Obviously stupid!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Show any forensic evidence, investigation done by 
>>>>>>>>>> independent, neutral body.
>>>>>>>>> Got any forensic evidence for any war ever fought, stupid?
>>>>>>>> That's right idiot, they digging it up all the time, even 
>>>>>>>> today.
>>>>>>> Show us the forensic evidence for the battle of Gettysburg, 
>>>>>>> stupid.
>>>>>> Gattysburg was a battlefield,
>>>>> Prove it with forensic evidence, stupid.
>>>>>
>>>>> You see, forensic evidence is not necessary for historical truth. 
>>>>> If you weren't so stupid you'd know that.
>>>>>
>>>> If there suing involved, courts, hanging people etc...
>>>> yes, forensic evidence is a must.
>>> Nope, not a necessary piece of evidence at all.
>>>
>>> So you know as little about the law as you do history.
>>>
>>> Just not enough good teevee shows, eh stupid.
> 
>> I know you Jews,
> 
> I'm not Jewish stupid. And forsenic evidence is but one form of 
> evidence and doesn't exist for almost all events in history.
> 
> --
> 
> Philip Mathews
> 
> 
Of course it does!
How can you sue without it?
JS


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philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
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>>>>>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
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>>>>>>>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
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>>>>>>>>>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
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>>>>>>>>>>>> Philip Mathews wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 12, 12:55 pm, Protagonist  
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Haha! My wife just looked it the picture above, she 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> smiled.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is what passes for evidence for the halfwit Szaki.
>>>>>>>>>>>> You would be surprised what a keen eye she has,
>>>>>>>>>>> She picked you didn't she?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Nuf said.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In any event, what you claim your wife claims is not 
>>>>>>>>>>> evidence, stupid.
>>>>>>>>>> Stop arguing f***er,
>>>>>>>>> Getting a little annoyed, stupid!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Face it, your bleating is not evidence.
>>>>>>>> Your drawings are no evidence, eh?
>>>>>>> Photos, stupid, photos. And they're not mine.
>>>>>> They are  photos of drawings, idiot!
>>>>> LOL!
>>>>>
>>>>> Did they tell you that on teevee also?
>>>> Any one can see that.
>>> Ain't that the truth!!
>>>
>>> Ever hear of books?
> 
>> Don't need books,
> 
> Of course you don't. That's why they call it mindless denial.
> 
> --
> Philip Mathews
> 
> 
look it the damn thing.
http://www.infocenters.co.il/gfh_multimedia/GFH/0000002085/0000002085_1_web.jpg
JS


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>>>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
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>>>>>>>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
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>>>>>>>>>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
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>>>>>>>>>>>> Philip Mathews wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 12, 12:59 pm, Protagonist  
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> During the civil wars, news media photographers staged 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many pictures of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the war dead,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Irrelevant to anything under discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Got any evidence, stupid?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Not long ago, I think  PBS had a documentary about it, 
>>>>>>>>>>>> showing many photos.
>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing to do with the subject, stupid.
>>>>>>>>>> Yes it does, idiot.
>>>>>>>>> Nope.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Shows even earlier, how the media manipulated the public.
>>>>>>>>> Which offers no evidence of any kind for what we're 
>>>>>>>>> discussing, stupid.
>>>>>>>> Yes, it does,
>>>>>>> No, it doesn't. Your TV program has nothing to do with what 
>>>>>>> we're discussing.
>>>>>> Documentary has a lot to do,
>>>>> Nope, the documentary had to do with a particular instance, 
>>>>> stupid.
>>>>>
>>>>> And not Holocaust mass graves.
>>>> Same thing!
>>> Obviously not the same thing at all, stupid.
> 
>> Same to me and to any one.
> 
> No, the same to a moron who cannot construct the basic of arguments.
> 
> --
> Philip Mathews
> 
> 
> 
look it the damn thing, moron!
http://www.infocenters.co.il/gfh_multimedia/GFH/0000002085/0000002085_1_web.jpg
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>>>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
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>>>>>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
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>>>>>>>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
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>>>>>>>>>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
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>>>>>>>>>>>> Phil3
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Photos from the Archives of the Ghetto Fighters' House
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://p102.ezboard.com/frodohforumfrm12.showMessage?topicID=250.topic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Philip Mathews- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obviously emaciated corpses, stupid!
>>>>>>>>>>>> No they're not!
>>>>>>>>>>> LOL!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Stupid.
>>>>>>>>>> That explains every thing, blind Jew!
>>>>>>>>> Yup, your mindless Jew hatred explains what little about you 
>>>>>>>>> there is understand, stupid.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But that doesn't help your pathetic denial, which is still 
>>>>>>>>> exposed as empty and moronic.
>>>>>>>> Blind words, no proof what so ever from you!
>>>>>>> Evidence has already been given, stupid.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Your scholarly response has been: "is not".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> You mean your bad drawings
>>>>> Photos, stupid.
>>>>>
>>>>> And "is not" is not an argument.
>>>> Photos of bad drawings! Haha!
>>> Now you're getting boring and repeating yourself.
>>>
>>> Either way, you demonstrate your impotence as a denier.
> 
>> Your drawings  as evidence,
> 
> Photos, and not mine, stupid.
> 
> But do continue to make a fool of yourself.
> 
> --
> Philip Mathews
> 
> 
You showing it as evidence, idiot fool!
JS


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philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
> "snow"  wrote in message 
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>>> Nazi Shooting squads shot well over 1 million Jews in the Soviet 
>>> Union
>>> and Eastern Europe. They buried the bodies in literally thousands 
>>> of
>>> mass graves all over the region. What follows is a small collection 
>>> of
>>> evidence, mostly visual, for these shootings, as well as the
>>> highlights of a report on the archeological study of mass graves at
>>> the Belzec extermination camp.
>>>
>>>
>>> A Report by United States Commission for the Preservation of 
>>> America's
>>> Heritage Abroad. A list of approximately 500 mass grave sites in 
>>> the
>>> Ukraine alone begins on page 142.
>>> http://www.heritageabroad.gov/reports/doc/survey_ukraine_2005.pdf
>>>
>>> A short film of an Einsatzgruppen shooting in Liepaja
>>> http://www1.ushmm.org/wlc/media_fi.php?lang=en&ModuleId=10005130&Media
>>> Id=183
> 
>> The photos that show an American soldier looking at the graves are 
>> photo operation.
> 
> No they're not.
> 
> And if this is best you can do, perhaps you should give up Holocaust 
> denial.
> 
> You're pathetic at it.
> 
> --
> Philip Mathews
> 
> 
> 
> 
You are a psycho PHILLIP, YOU SHOULD LIVE THIS GROUP!
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>>>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
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>>>>>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
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>>>>>>>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
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>>>>>>>>>>>> Philip Mathews wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 12, 11:03 am, KeeponChoog...@webtv.net (Curly C) 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don't you mean Stalin's mass graves? What the hell do 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you think he did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the 20-30 million he killed in the 1930's.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry stupid, these are known Holocaust graves.
>>>>>>>>>>>> After WW2 propaganda, idiot.
>>>>>>>>>>> Obviously stupid!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Show any forensic evidence, investigation done by 
>>>>>>>>>>>> independent, neutral body.
>>>>>>>>>>> Got any forensic evidence for any war ever fought, stupid?
>>>>>>>>>> That's right idiot, they digging it up all the time, even 
>>>>>>>>>> today.
>>>>>>>>> Show us the forensic evidence for the battle of Gettysburg, 
>>>>>>>>> stupid.
>>>>>>>> Gattysburg was a battlefield,
>>>>>>> Prove it with forensic evidence, stupid.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You see, forensic evidence is not necessary for historical 
>>>>>>> truth. If you weren't so stupid you'd know that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> If there suing involved, courts, hanging people etc...
>>>>>> yes, forensic evidence is a must.
>>>>> Nope, not a necessary piece of evidence at all.
>>>>>
>>>>> So you know as little about the law as you do history.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just not enough good teevee shows, eh stupid.
>>>> I know you Jews,
>>> I'm not Jewish stupid. And forsenic evidence is but one form of 
>>> evidence and doesn't exist for almost all events in history.
> 
>> Of course it does!
> 
> Yeah, but you can't present any!!
> 
> Forensic evidence doesn't exist for almost all events of history.
> 
> --
> Philip Mathews

Than you can't sue.
Mass graves can be tested.
Even 3000 years old mummies are tested for the cause of death.
Eyewitnesses are only circumstantial evidence.
JS



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>>>>>>>>>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
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>>>>>>>>>>>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Philip Mathews wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 12, 12:55 pm, Protagonist  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Haha! My wife just looked it the picture above, she 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> smiled.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is what passes for evidence for the halfwit Szaki.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You would be surprised what a keen eye she has,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> She picked you didn't she?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nuf said.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In any event, what you claim your wife claims is not 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence, stupid.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Stop arguing f***er,
>>>>>>>>>>> Getting a little annoyed, stupid!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Face it, your bleating is not evidence.
>>>>>>>>>> Your drawings are no evidence, eh?
>>>>>>>>> Photos, stupid, photos. And they're not mine.
>>>>>>>> They are  photos of drawings, idiot!
>>>>>>> LOL!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Did they tell you that on teevee also?
>>>>>> Any one can see that.
>>>>> Ain't that the truth!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Ever hear of books?
>>>> Don't need books,
>>> Of course you don't. That's why they call it mindless denial.
> 
>> look it the damn thing.
> 
> Already have.
> 
> Read a book.
> 
> --
> Philip Mathews
> 
> 
> 
Apparently, you didn't look, idiot.
Stay stupid!
JS



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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Phil3
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Photos from the Archives of the Ghetto Fighters' 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> House
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://p102.ezboard.com/frodohforumfrm12.showMessage?topicID=250.topic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Philip Mathews- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obviously emaciated corpses, stupid!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No they're not!
>>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stupid.
>>>>>>>>>>>> That explains every thing, blind Jew!
>>>>>>>>>>> Yup, your mindless Jew hatred explains what little about 
>>>>>>>>>>> you there is understand, stupid.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> But that doesn't help your pathetic denial, which is still 
>>>>>>>>>>> exposed as empty and moronic.
>>>>>>>>>> Blind words, no proof what so ever from you!
>>>>>>>>> Evidence has already been given, stupid.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Your scholarly response has been: "is not".
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You mean your bad drawings
>>>>>>> Photos, stupid.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And "is not" is not an argument.
>>>>>> Photos of bad drawings! Haha!
>>>>> Now you're getting boring and repeating yourself.
>>>>>
>>>>> Either way, you demonstrate your impotence as a denier.
>>>> Your drawings  as evidence,
>>> Photos, and not mine, stupid.
>>>
>>> But do continue to make a fool of yourself.
> 
> 
>> You showing it as evidence, idiot fool!
> 
> Because it is evidence, stupid.
> 
> --
> Philip Mathews
> 
> 


Right! Drawings are evidence?
Maybe you should hang it on your wall at home!
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JS


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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Philip Mathews wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 12, 12:55 pm, Protagonist 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Haha! My wife just looked it the picture above, she 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> smiled.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is what passes for evidence for the halfwit 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Szaki.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You would be surprised what a keen eye she has,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> She picked you didn't she?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nuf said.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In any event, what you claim your wife claims is not 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence, stupid.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stop arguing f***er,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Getting a little annoyed, stupid!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Face it, your bleating is not evidence.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Your drawings are no evidence, eh?
>>>>>>>>>>> Photos, stupid, photos. And they're not mine.
>>>>>>>>>> They are  photos of drawings, idiot!
>>>>>>>>> LOL!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Did they tell you that on teevee also?
>>>>>>>> Any one can see that.
>>>>>>> Ain't that the truth!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ever hear of books?
>>>>>> Don't need books,
>>>>> Of course you don't. That's why they call it mindless denial.
>>>> look it the damn thing.
>>> Already have.
>>>
>>> Read a book.
> 
>> Apparently, you didn't look, idiot.
> 
> Apparently you didn't think, stupid.
> 
> --
> Philip Mathews

Just look, moron! You have no brain any way!
http://www.infocenters.co.il/gfh_multimedia/GFH/0000002085/0000002085_1_web.jpg
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>>>>>>>>>>> news:udWdnSmD7ZgT3iLbnZ2dnUVZ_veinZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:4t-dne6NboyorSLbnZ2dnUVZ_rHinZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Philip Mathews wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 12, 11:03 am, KeeponChoog...@webtv.net (Curly C) 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don't you mean Stalin's mass graves? What the hell do 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you think he did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the 20-30 million he killed in the 1930's.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry stupid, these are known Holocaust graves.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After WW2 propaganda, idiot.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obviously stupid!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Show any forensic evidence, investigation done by 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> independent, neutral body.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Got any forensic evidence for any war ever fought, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> stupid?
>>>>>>>>>>>> That's right idiot, they digging it up all the time, even 
>>>>>>>>>>>> today.
>>>>>>>>>>> Show us the forensic evidence for the battle of Gettysburg, 
>>>>>>>>>>> stupid.
>>>>>>>>>> Gattysburg was a battlefield,
>>>>>>>>> Prove it with forensic evidence, stupid.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You see, forensic evidence is not necessary for historical 
>>>>>>>>> truth. If you weren't so stupid you'd know that.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If there suing involved, courts, hanging people etc...
>>>>>>>> yes, forensic evidence is a must.
>>>>>>> Nope, not a necessary piece of evidence at all.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So you know as little about the law as you do history.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just not enough good teevee shows, eh stupid.
>>>>>> I know you Jews,
>>>>> I'm not Jewish stupid. And forsenic evidence is but one form of 
>>>>> evidence and doesn't exist for almost all events in history.
>>>> Of course it does!
>>> Yeah, but you can't present any!!
>>>
>>> Forensic evidence doesn't exist for almost all events of history.
> 
>> Than you can't sue.
> 
> Yes you can.
> 
> After all, the perpetrator didn't even deny doing it!
> 
> --
> Philip Mathews
> 
> 
They were forced to say things!
Use your imagination, if there is any!
JS


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>>>>>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
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>>>>>>>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
>>>>>>>>> news:Cf-dncW-YLXq0yLbnZ2dnUVZ_hqdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>>>>>>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
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>>>>>>>>>>>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:cvidnUu6L-vr3yLbnZ2dnUVZ_sLinZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Philip Mathews wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 12, 12:55 pm, Protagonist 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Haha! My wife just looked it the picture above, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> she smiled.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is what passes for evidence for the halfwit 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Szaki.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You would be surprised what a keen eye she has,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> She picked you didn't she?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nuf said.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In any event, what you claim your wife claims is not 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence, stupid.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stop arguing f***er,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Getting a little annoyed, stupid!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Face it, your bleating is not evidence.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your drawings are no evidence, eh?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Photos, stupid, photos. And they're not mine.
>>>>>>>>>>>> They are  photos of drawings, idiot!
>>>>>>>>>>> LOL!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Did they tell you that on teevee also?
>>>>>>>>>> Any one can see that.
>>>>>>>>> Ain't that the truth!!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ever hear of books?
>>>>>>>> Don't need books,
>>>>>>> Of course you don't. That's why they call it mindless denial.
>>>>>> look it the damn thing.
>>>>> Already have.
>>>>>
>>>>> Read a book.
>>>> Apparently, you didn't look, idiot.
>>> Apparently you didn't think, stupid.
> 
>> Just look, moron!
> 
> You also have to think, stupid.
> 
> --
> Philip Mathews
> 
> 
Here we go again, look!
Drawings!
http://www.infocenters.co.il/gfh_multimedia/GFH/0000002085/0000002085_1_web.jpg
http://www.infocenters.co.il/gfh_multimedia/GFH/0000002086/0000002086_1_web.jpg
JS


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>>>>>>>>>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
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>>>>>>>>>>>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Phil3
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Photos from the Archives of the Ghetto Fighters' 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> House
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://p102.ezboard.com/frodohforumfrm12.showMessage?topicID=250.topic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Philip Mathews- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obviously emaciated corpses, stupid!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No they're not!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stupid.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That explains every thing, blind Jew!
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yup, your mindless Jew hatred explains what little about 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you there is understand, stupid.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> But that doesn't help your pathetic denial, which is 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> still exposed as empty and moronic.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Blind words, no proof what so ever from you!
>>>>>>>>>>> Evidence has already been given, stupid.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Your scholarly response has been: "is not".
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You mean your bad drawings
>>>>>>>>> Photos, stupid.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And "is not" is not an argument.
>>>>>>>> Photos of bad drawings! Haha!
>>>>>>> Now you're getting boring and repeating yourself.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Either way, you demonstrate your impotence as a denier.
>>>>>> Your drawings  as evidence,
>>>>> Photos, and not mine, stupid.
>>>>>
>>>>> But do continue to make a fool of yourself.
>>>
>>>> You showing it as evidence, idiot fool!
>>> Because it is evidence, stupid.
>>
>> Right! Drawings are evidence?
> 
> And so are photos, stupid.
> 
> --
> Philip Mathews
> 
> 

Photos of drawings, newspaper clippings?
That is your evidence?
Get lost moron!
JS


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>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Philip Mathews wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 12, 11:03 am, KeeponChoog...@webtv.net (Curly 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> C) wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don't you mean Stalin's mass graves? What the hell 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do you think he did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the 20-30 million he killed in the 1930's.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry stupid, these are known Holocaust graves.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After WW2 propaganda, idiot.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obviously stupid!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Show any forensic evidence, investigation done by 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> independent, neutral body.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Got any forensic evidence for any war ever fought, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stupid?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's right idiot, they digging it up all the time, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even today.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Show us the forensic evidence for the battle of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gettysburg, stupid.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Gattysburg was a battlefield,
>>>>>>>>>>> Prove it with forensic evidence, stupid.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You see, forensic evidence is not necessary for historical 
>>>>>>>>>>> truth. If you weren't so stupid you'd know that.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If there suing involved, courts, hanging people etc...
>>>>>>>>>> yes, forensic evidence is a must.
>>>>>>>>> Nope, not a necessary piece of evidence at all.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So you know as little about the law as you do history.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Just not enough good teevee shows, eh stupid.
>>>>>>>> I know you Jews,
>>>>>>> I'm not Jewish stupid. And forsenic evidence is but one form of 
>>>>>>> evidence and doesn't exist for almost all events in history.
>>>>>> Of course it does!
>>>>> Yeah, but you can't present any!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Forensic evidence doesn't exist for almost all events of history.
>>>> Than you can't sue.
>>> Yes you can.
>>>
>>> After all, the perpetrator didn't even deny doing it!
> 
>> They were forced to say things!
> 
> Another lie for which no evidence exists.
> 
> Ever notice that all deniers can do is deny real evidence, while never 
> offering any for there own self-serving claims?
> 
> --
> Philip Mathews
> 
> 
Sure, the Soviets or the other Allies going to admit, Hoess was tortured 
for admitting evidence!
You are really stupid guy!
JS


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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in 
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Philip Mathews wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 12, 12:55 pm, Protagonist 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Haha! My wife just looked it the picture above, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> she smiled.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is what passes for evidence for the halfwit 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Szaki.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You would be surprised what a keen eye she has,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> She picked you didn't she?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nuf said.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In any event, what you claim your wife claims is 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not evidence, stupid.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stop arguing f***er,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Getting a little annoyed, stupid!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Face it, your bleating is not evidence.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your drawings are no evidence, eh?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Photos, stupid, photos. And they're not mine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They are  photos of drawings, idiot!
>>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Did they tell you that on teevee also?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Any one can see that.
>>>>>>>>>>> Ain't that the truth!!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ever hear of books?
>>>>>>>>>> Don't need books,
>>>>>>>>> Of course you don't. That's why they call it mindless denial.
>>>>>>>> look it the damn thing.
>>>>>>> Already have.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Read a book.
>>>>>> Apparently, you didn't look, idiot.
>>>>> Apparently you didn't think, stupid.
>>>> Just look, moron!
>>> You also have to think, stupid.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Philip Mathews
> 
>> Here we go again, look!
> 
> Read stupid.
> 
> You've presented nothing to cast doubt on any of the evidence in this 
> thread.
> 
> Still no comment on the film, eh!
> 
> --
> Philip Mathews
> 
> 
Need the latest quickTime to play it.
But I think, I've seen it before.
Can be any thing, executing partisans!
There were plenty of execution in any wars, even their own kind!
JS






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philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
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>>>>>>>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
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>>>>>>>>>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
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>>>>>>>>>>>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:Ls6dnYoWFsWp1SLbnZ2dnUVZ_gWdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:cvidnU66L-vi3SLbnZ2dnUVZ_sLinZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Phil3
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Photos from the Archives of the Ghetto Fighters' 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> House
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://p102.ezboard.com/frodohforumfrm12.showMessage?topicID=250.topic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Philip Mathews- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obviously emaciated corpses, stupid!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No they're not!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stupid.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That explains every thing, blind Jew!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yup, your mindless Jew hatred explains what little 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about you there is understand, stupid.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But that doesn't help your pathetic denial, which is 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still exposed as empty and moronic.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Blind words, no proof what so ever from you!
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Evidence has already been given, stupid.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your scholarly response has been: "is not".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You mean your bad drawings
>>>>>>>>>>> Photos, stupid.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And "is not" is not an argument.
>>>>>>>>>> Photos of bad drawings! Haha!
>>>>>>>>> Now you're getting boring and repeating yourself.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Either way, you demonstrate your impotence as a denier.
>>>>>>>> Your drawings  as evidence,
>>>>>>> Photos, and not mine, stupid.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But do continue to make a fool of yourself.
>>>>>> You showing it as evidence, idiot fool!
>>>>> Because it is evidence, stupid.
>>>> Right! Drawings are evidence?
>>> And so are photos, stupid.
>> Photos of drawings,
> 
> No, photos.
> 
> Drawings are also evidence.
> 
> --
> Philip Mathews
> 
> 
> 
Nope! Drawing can be fantasies!
JS



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Sara Salzman wrote:
> In article ,
>  Protagonist  wrote:
> 
>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>> "snow"  wrote in message 
>>> news:BhIvi.689$i75.300@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net...
>>>> "Philip Mathews"  wrote in message 
>>>> news:1186927920.803541.150250@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>>>> Nazi Shooting squads shot well over 1 million Jews in the Soviet 
>>>>> Union
>>>>> and Eastern Europe. They buried the bodies in literally thousands 
>>>>> of
>>>>> mass graves all over the region. What follows is a small collection 
>>>>> of
>>>>> evidence, mostly visual, for these shootings, as well as the
>>>>> highlights of a report on the archeological study of mass graves at
>>>>> the Belzec extermination camp.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> A Report by United States Commission for the Preservation of 
>>>>> America's
>>>>> Heritage Abroad. A list of approximately 500 mass grave sites in 
>>>>> the
>>>>> Ukraine alone begins on page 142.
>>>>> http://www.heritageabroad.gov/reports/doc/survey_ukraine_2005.pdf
>>>>>
>>>>> A short film of an Einsatzgruppen shooting in Liepaja
>>>>> http://www1.ushmm.org/wlc/media_fi.php?lang=en&ModuleId=10005130&Media
>>>>> Id=183
>>>> The photos that show an American soldier looking at the graves are 
>>>> photo operation.
>>> No they're not.
>>>
>>> And if this is best you can do, perhaps you should give up Holocaust 
>>> denial.
>>>
>>> You're pathetic at it.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Philip Mathews
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> You are a psycho PHILLIP, YOU SHOULD LIVE THIS GROUP!
>> js
> 
> What he said, Phil, please LIVE this group! :))
> 
> Sara
> 

Spell checker Sara appeared, with proof for Da Holohoax with misspelled 
words.
Nice going idiot!
JS


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philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
> "Sara Salzman"  wrote in message 
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>> In article ,
>> Protagonist  wrote:
>>
>>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>>> "snow"  wrote in message
>>>> news:BhIvi.689$i75.300@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net...
>>>>> "Philip Mathews"  wrote in message
>>>>> news:1186927920.803541.150250@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>> Nazi Shooting squads shot well over 1 million Jews in the 
>>>>>> Soviet
>>>>>> Union
>>>>>> and Eastern Europe. They buried the bodies in literally 
>>>>>> thousands
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> mass graves all over the region. What follows is a small 
>>>>>> collection
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> evidence, mostly visual, for these shootings, as well as the
>>>>>> highlights of a report on the archeological study of mass 
>>>>>> graves at
>>>>>> the Belzec extermination camp.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A Report by United States Commission for the Preservation of
>>>>>> America's
>>>>>> Heritage Abroad. A list of approximately 500 mass grave sites 
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> Ukraine alone begins on page 142.
>>>>>> http://www.heritageabroad.gov/reports/doc/survey_ukraine_2005.pdf
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A short film of an Einsatzgruppen shooting in Liepaja
>>>>>> http://www1.ushmm.org/wlc/media_fi.php?lang=en&ModuleId=10005130&Media
>>>>>> Id=183
>>>>> The photos that show an American soldier looking at the graves 
>>>>> are
>>>>> photo operation.
>>>> No they're not.
>>>>
>>>> And if this is best you can do, perhaps you should give up 
>>>> Holocaust
>>>> denial.
>>>>
>>>> You're pathetic at it.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Philip Mathews
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> You are a psycho PHILLIP, YOU SHOULD LIVE THIS GROUP!
>>> js
>> What he said, Phil, please LIVE this group! :))
> 
> Must be some current teevee expression Szaki has seen.
> 
> --
> Philip Mathews

Your books are lacking evidence, I guess.
Fantasy drawings are for evidences in your books.
Written by the Shalom Brothers!
JS



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Sara Salzman wrote:
> In article ,
>  Protagonist  wrote:
> 
>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
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>>>> Philip Mathews wrote:>>> http://snurl.com/2p01Grave Pits at Belzec 
>>>> #32
>>>>>>> http://snurl.com/2p03Grave Pits at Belzec #33
>>>>>> This photo shows typhus victims in a mass grave.
>>>>> Not necessarily.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Belsen camp had many thousands died this way,
>>>>> So what. Death by disease was just another murder method used by 
>>>>> the
>>>>> Nazis.
>>>> Your stupid ass!
>>>> There was no food at the end of war,
>>> There was plenty of food. The only people starving were those in the 
>>> Nazi camps. And food was only part of the cause of disease, stupid. 
>>> Deliberate denial of means for proper sanitation was itself a major 
>>> cause of disease.
>>>
>>> Murder is murder, by whatever means.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Philip Mathews
>>>
>>>
>> Not really lying fucker!
>> Even Hoess said on his trial, food was scares and the allies bombed 
>> every transportation that moved.
> 
> You're not only a liar, you're an idiot.
> 
> Show us where Hoess said this, Liar.
> 
>> Why don't you go and lie to your Zionist brothers.
>> JS
> 
> Why don't you go and pound sand?
> 

That is correct, Hoess said that, don't have the book mark any more.
JS


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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Philip Mathews wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 12, 11:03 am, KeeponChoog...@webtv.net 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Curly C) wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don't you mean Stalin's mass graves? What the hell 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do you think he did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the 20-30 million he killed in the 1930's.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry stupid, these are known Holocaust graves.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After WW2 propaganda, idiot.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obviously stupid!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Show any forensic evidence, investigation done by 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> independent, neutral body.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Got any forensic evidence for any war ever fought, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stupid?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's right idiot, they digging it up all the time, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even today.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Show us the forensic evidence for the battle of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gettysburg, stupid.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gattysburg was a battlefield,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prove it with forensic evidence, stupid.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You see, forensic evidence is not necessary for 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> historical truth. If you weren't so stupid you'd know 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> If there suing involved, courts, hanging people etc...
>>>>>>>>>>>> yes, forensic evidence is a must.
>>>>>>>>>>> Nope, not a necessary piece of evidence at all.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So you know as little about the law as you do history.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Just not enough good teevee shows, eh stupid.
>>>>>>>>>> I know you Jews,
>>>>>>>>> I'm not Jewish stupid. And forsenic evidence is but one form 
>>>>>>>>> of evidence and doesn't exist for almost all events in 
>>>>>>>>> history.
>>>>>>>> Of course it does!
>>>>>>> Yeah, but you can't present any!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Forensic evidence doesn't exist for almost all events of 
>>>>>>> history.
>>>>>> Than you can't sue.
>>>>> Yes you can.
>>>>>
>>>>> After all, the perpetrator didn't even deny doing it!
>>>> They were forced to say things!
>>> Another lie for which no evidence exists.
>>>
>>> Ever notice that all deniers can do is deny real evidence, while 
>>> never offering any for there own self-serving claims?
> 
>> Sure, the Soviets or the other Allies going to admit, Hoess was 
>> tortured for admitting evidence!
> 
> Hoess had nothing to do with the shootings and mass graves we're 
> discussing, stupid.
> 
> The Soviets had nothing to do with Hoess.

No? He was held in prison in Poland by the communist!

> 
> And Hoess was merely roughed up when captured.

Ja, sure. He confessed every thing just like that, so he can be hanged!

> 
> So you have no evidence for tortured confessions. None.

He was held by the communist, what more you need?
JS

> 
> --
> Philip Mathews
> 
> 
> 
> 


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philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
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>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
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>>>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
>>>>> news:I_-dnWibntKPyiLbnZ2dnUVZ_j2dnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>>>>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
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>>>>>>>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
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>>>>>>>>>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
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>>>>>>>>>>>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:Cf-dncW-YLXq0yLbnZ2dnUVZ_hqdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:UqqdnXR4cZgm1iLbnZ2dnUVZ_rninZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:Ls6dnYUWFsVL1SLbnZ2dnUVZ_gWdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message 
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:cvidnUu6L-vr3yLbnZ2dnUVZ_sLinZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Philip Mathews wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 12, 12:55 pm, Protagonist 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Haha! My wife just looked it the picture 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> above, she smiled.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is what passes for evidence for the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> halfwit Szaki.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You would be surprised what a keen eye she has,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> She picked you didn't she?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nuf said.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In any event, what you claim your wife claims is 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not evidence, stupid.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stop arguing f***er,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Getting a little annoyed, stupid!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Face it, your bleating is not evidence.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your drawings are no evidence, eh?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Photos, stupid, photos. And they're not mine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They are  photos of drawings, idiot!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Did they tell you that on teevee also?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any one can see that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ain't that the truth!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ever hear of books?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Don't need books,
>>>>>>>>>>> Of course you don't. That's why they call it mindless 
>>>>>>>>>>> denial.
>>>>>>>>>> look it the damn thing.
>>>>>>>>> Already have.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Read a book.
>>>>>>>> Apparently, you didn't look, idiot.
>>>>>>> Apparently you didn't think, stupid.
>>>>>> Just look, moron!
>>>>> You also have to think, stupid.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Philip Mathews
>>>> Here we go again, look!
>>> Read stupid.
>>>
>>> You've presented nothing to cast doubt on any of the evidence in 
>>> this thread.
>>>
>>> Still no comment on the film, eh!
> 
>> Need the latest quickTime to play it.
> 
> Hehe!
> 
> You're running on empty little man.
> 
> --
> Philip Mathews
> 
> 
> 
Empty?
  Your, can be any thing films and photos are running on empty!
JS



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philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
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>> Sara Salzman wrote:
>>> In article ,
>>>  Protagonist  wrote:
>>>
>>>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
>>>>> news:cvidnU-6L-u83SLbnZ2dnUVZ_sKqnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>>> Philip Mathews wrote:>>> http://snurl.com/2p01Grave Pits at 
>>>>>> Belzec #32
>>>>>>>>> http://snurl.com/2p03Grave Pits at Belzec #33
>>>>>>>> This photo shows typhus victims in a mass grave.
>>>>>>> Not necessarily.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Belsen camp had many thousands died this way,
>>>>>>> So what. Death by disease was just another murder method used 
>>>>>>> by the
>>>>>>> Nazis.
>>>>>> Your stupid ass!
>>>>>> There was no food at the end of war,
>>>>> There was plenty of food. The only people starving were those in 
>>>>> the Nazi camps. And food was only part of the cause of disease, 
>>>>> stupid. Deliberate denial of means for proper sanitation was 
>>>>> itself a major cause of disease.
>>>>>
>>>>> Murder is murder, by whatever means.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Philip Mathews
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Not really lying fucker!
>>>> Even Hoess said on his trial, food was scares and the allies 
>>>> bombed every transportation that moved.
>>> You're not only a liar, you're an idiot.
>>>
>>> Show us where Hoess said this, Liar.
>>>
>>>> Why don't you go and lie to your Zionist brothers.
>>>> JS
>>> Why don't you go and pound sand?
> 
>> That is correct, Hoess said that,
> 
> No he didn't, liar.
> 
> Typical denier, all mouth, no evidence.
> 
> --
> Philip Mathews
> 
> 
Of course your children drawings are evidence.
Get real, idiot!
JS


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philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
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>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
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>>>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
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>>>>>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>>>>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
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>>>>>>>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
>>>>>>>>> news:Cf-dnce-YLXg0iLbnZ2dnUVZ_hqdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>>>>>>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
>>>>>>>>>>> news:Cf-dncu-YLVr0CLbnZ2dnUVZ_hqdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:UqqdnXV4cZj21iLbnZ2dnUVZ_rninZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:Ls6dnYoWFsWp1SLbnZ2dnUVZ_gWdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:udWdnSiD7Zh53iLbnZ2dnUVZ_vfinZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:cvidnU66L-vi3SLbnZ2dnUVZ_sLinZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Phil3
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Photos from the Archives of the Ghetto 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fighters' House
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://p102.ezboard.com/frodohforumfrm12.showMessage?topicID=250.topic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Philip Mathews- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obviously emaciated corpses, stupid!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No they're not!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stupid.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That explains every thing, blind Jew!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yup, your mindless Jew hatred explains what little 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about you there is understand, stupid.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But that doesn't help your pathetic denial, which is 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still exposed as empty and moronic.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Blind words, no proof what so ever from you!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Evidence has already been given, stupid.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your scholarly response has been: "is not".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You mean your bad drawings
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Photos, stupid.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> And "is not" is not an argument.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Photos of bad drawings! Haha!
>>>>>>>>>>> Now you're getting boring and repeating yourself.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Either way, you demonstrate your impotence as a denier.
>>>>>>>>>> Your drawings  as evidence,
>>>>>>>>> Photos, and not mine, stupid.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But do continue to make a fool of yourself.
>>>>>>>> You showing it as evidence, idiot fool!
>>>>>>> Because it is evidence, stupid.
>>>>>> Right! Drawings are evidence?
>>>>> And so are photos, stupid.
>>>> Photos of drawings,
>>> No, photos.
>>>
>>> Drawings are also evidence.
> 
> 
>> Nope! Drawing can be fantasies!
> 
> Which doesn't mean they aren't evidence, stupid.
> 
> Any evidence "can be" fantasies.
> 
> --
> Philip Mathews

Evidence is a big word!
Drawings or news media clipping are can be falls!
JS


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philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
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>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>> "Sara Salzman"  wrote in message 
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>>>> In article ,
>>>> Protagonist  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>>>>> "snow"  wrote in message
>>>>>> news:BhIvi.689$i75.300@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net...
>>>>>>> "Philip Mathews"  wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:1186927920.803541.150250@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>> Nazi Shooting squads shot well over 1 million Jews in the 
>>>>>>>> Soviet
>>>>>>>> Union
>>>>>>>> and Eastern Europe. They buried the bodies in literally 
>>>>>>>> thousands
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> mass graves all over the region. What follows is a small 
>>>>>>>> collection
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> evidence, mostly visual, for these shootings, as well as the
>>>>>>>> highlights of a report on the archeological study of mass 
>>>>>>>> graves at
>>>>>>>> the Belzec extermination camp.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A Report by United States Commission for the Preservation of
>>>>>>>> America's
>>>>>>>> Heritage Abroad. A list of approximately 500 mass grave sites 
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> Ukraine alone begins on page 142.
>>>>>>>> http://www.heritageabroad.gov/reports/doc/survey_ukraine_2005.pdf
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A short film of an Einsatzgruppen shooting in Liepaja
>>>>>>>> http://www1.ushmm.org/wlc/media_fi.php?lang=en&ModuleId=10005130&Media
>>>>>>>> Id=183
>>>>>>> The photos that show an American soldier looking at the graves 
>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>> photo operation.
>>>>>> No they're not.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And if this is best you can do, perhaps you should give up 
>>>>>> Holocaust
>>>>>> denial.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You're pathetic at it.
> 
>>>>> You are a psycho PHILLIP, YOU SHOULD LIVE THIS GROUP!
>>>>> js
>>>> What he said, Phil, please LIVE this group! :))
>>> Must be some current teevee expression Szaki has seen.
> 
>> Your books are lacking evidence,
> 
> How would know, you can't read.
> 
> --
> Philip Mathews
> 
> 
> 
Here we go again, Da high minded Jew!
Than I don't know how to read your posts either of those i'm responding 
the last 2 hours!
Funny, eh!
I can't read, but i can write!
You got more lies up in your sleeves, Jew crap!
JS


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philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
> news:I_-dnWGbntJZxCLbnZ2dnUVZ_j2dnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> Sara Salzman wrote:
>>> In article ,
>>>  Protagonist  wrote:
>>>
>>>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>>>> "snow"  wrote in message 
>>>>> news:BhIvi.689$i75.300@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net...
>>>>>> "Philip Mathews"  wrote in message 
>>>>>> news:1186927920.803541.150250@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>> Nazi Shooting squads shot well over 1 million Jews in the 
>>>>>>> Soviet Union
>>>>>>> and Eastern Europe. They buried the bodies in literally 
>>>>>>> thousands of
>>>>>>> mass graves all over the region. What follows is a small 
>>>>>>> collection of
>>>>>>> evidence, mostly visual, for these shootings, as well as the
>>>>>>> highlights of a report on the archeological study of mass 
>>>>>>> graves at
>>>>>>> the Belzec extermination camp.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A Report by United States Commission for the Preservation of 
>>>>>>> America's
>>>>>>> Heritage Abroad. A list of approximately 500 mass grave sites 
>>>>>>> in the
>>>>>>> Ukraine alone begins on page 142.
>>>>>>> http://www.heritageabroad.gov/reports/doc/survey_ukraine_2005.pdf
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A short film of an Einsatzgruppen shooting in Liepaja
>>>>>>> http://www1.ushmm.org/wlc/media_fi.php?lang=en&ModuleId=10005130&Media
>>>>>>> Id=183
>>>>>> The photos that show an American soldier looking at the graves 
>>>>>> are photo operation.
>>>>> No they're not.
>>>>>
>>>>> And if this is best you can do, perhaps you should give up 
>>>>> Holocaust denial.
>>>>>
>>>>> You're pathetic at it.
> 
>>>> You are a psycho PHILLIP, YOU SHOULD LIVE THIS GROUP!
> 
>>> What he said, Phil, please LIVE this group! :))
> 
>> Spell checker Sara appeared, with proof for Da Holohoax with 
>> misspelled words.
> 
> The proof of your idiocy is in what you write, little boy.
> 
> --
> Philip Mathews
> 
> 
> 
> 

Ja, ja, Get lost, lier!
Hang your silly drawings in your toilet!
When you run out of ass wipes, they all ways there to use.
JS


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philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
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>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
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>>>>>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
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>>>>>>>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
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>>>>>>>>>>>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:1u-dnbWm-spXzSLbnZ2dnUVZ_hOdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:Cf-dncW-YLXq0yLbnZ2dnUVZ_hqdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:UqqdnXR4cZgm1iLbnZ2dnUVZ_rninZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:Ls6dnYUWFsVL1SLbnZ2dnUVZ_gWdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:Ls6dnYgWFsXt2iLbnZ2dnUVZ_gWdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:cvidnUu6L-vr3yLbnZ2dnUVZ_sLinZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Philip Mathews wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 12, 12:55 pm, Protagonist 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Haha! My wife just looked it the picture 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> above, she smiled.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is what passes for evidence for the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> halfwit Szaki.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You would be surprised what a keen eye she 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> She picked you didn't she?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nuf said.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In any event, what you claim your wife claims 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is not evidence, stupid.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stop arguing f***er,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Getting a little annoyed, stupid!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Face it, your bleating is not evidence.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your drawings are no evidence, eh?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Photos, stupid, photos. And they're not mine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They are  photos of drawings, idiot!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Did they tell you that on teevee also?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any one can see that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ain't that the truth!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ever hear of books?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don't need books,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of course you don't. That's why they call it mindless 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> denial.
>>>>>>>>>>>> look it the damn thing.
>>>>>>>>>>> Already have.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Read a book.
>>>>>>>>>> Apparently, you didn't look, idiot.
>>>>>>>>> Apparently you didn't think, stupid.
>>>>>>>> Just look, moron!
>>>>>>> You also have to think, stupid.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Philip Mathews
>>>>>> Here we go again, look!
>>>>> Read stupid.
>>>>>
>>>>> You've presented nothing to cast doubt on any of the evidence in 
>>>>> this thread.
>>>>>
>>>>> Still no comment on the film, eh!
>>>> Need the latest quickTime to play it.
>>> Hehe!
>>>
>>> You're running on empty little man.
> 
>> Empty?
> 
> Yeah, as in your head!
> 
> All this evidence still stands and you haven't even touched it.
> 
> --
> Philip Mathews
> 
> 
You mean Da mass-grave drawings and some staged photos?
I'm really convinced now!
JS


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Richard Warren wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
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>>>>>>>>>>>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:Ls6dnYUWFsVL1SLbnZ2dnUVZ_gWdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Philip Mathews wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 12, 12:55 pm, Protagonist 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Haha! My wife just looked it the picture above, she 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> smiled.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is what passes for evidence for the halfwit 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Szaki.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You would be surprised what a keen eye she has,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> She picked you didn't she?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nuf said.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In any event, what you claim your wife claims is not 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence, stupid.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stop arguing f***er,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Getting a little annoyed, stupid!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Face it, your bleating is not evidence.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your drawings are no evidence, eh?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Photos, stupid, photos. And they're not mine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They are  photos of drawings, idiot!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Did they tell you that on teevee also?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any one can see that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ain't that the truth!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ever hear of books?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Don't need books,
>>>>>>>>>>> Of course you don't. That's why they call it mindless denial.
>>>>>>>>>> look it the damn thing.
>>>>>>>>> Already have.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Read a book.
>>>>>>>> Apparently, you didn't look, idiot.
>>>>>>> Apparently you didn't think, stupid.
>>>>>> Just look, moron!
>>>>> You also have to think, stupid.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Philip Mathews
>>>> Here we go again, look!
>>> Read stupid.
>>>
>>> You've presented nothing to cast doubt on any of the evidence in this 
>>> thread.
>>>
>>> Still no comment on the film, eh!
>>>
>>> --
>>> Philip Mathews
>>>
>>>
>> Need the latest quickTime to play it.
>> But I think, I've seen it before.
>> Can be any thing, executing partisans!
>> There were plenty of execution in any wars, even their own kind!
>> JS
> 
> 
> 
> If they had executed collaborators or idiots, you'd be dead. 
> 
> 
Uh! Now you really gave it to me, retard!
I'm scared all over.
I bet you had an orgasm in hurting me, stupid kike!
JS


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>>>>> In article ,
>>>>>  Protagonist  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>>>>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
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>>>>>>>> Philip Mathews wrote:>>> http://snurl.com/2p01Grave Pits at 
>>>>>>>> Belzec #32
>>>>>>>>>>> http://snurl.com/2p03Grave Pits at Belzec #33
>>>>>>>>>> This photo shows typhus victims in a mass grave.
>>>>>>>>> Not necessarily.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Belsen camp had many thousands died this way,
>>>>>>>>> So what. Death by disease was just another murder method used 
>>>>>>>>> by the
>>>>>>>>> Nazis.
>>>>>>>> Your stupid ass!
>>>>>>>> There was no food at the end of war,
>>>>>>> There was plenty of food. The only people starving were those 
>>>>>>> in the Nazi camps. And food was only part of the cause of 
>>>>>>> disease, stupid. Deliberate denial of means for proper 
>>>>>>> sanitation was itself a major cause of disease.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Murder is murder, by whatever means.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Philip Mathews
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not really lying fucker!
>>>>>> Even Hoess said on his trial, food was scares and the allies 
>>>>>> bombed every transportation that moved.
>>>>> You're not only a liar, you're an idiot.
>>>>>
>>>>> Show us where Hoess said this, Liar.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Why don't you go and lie to your Zionist brothers.
>>>>>> JS
>>>>> Why don't you go and pound sand?
>>>> That is correct, Hoess said that,
>>> No he didn't, liar.
>>>
>>> Typical denier, all mouth, no evidence.
> 
>> Of course your children drawings are evidence.
> 
> Don't change the subject, stupid.
> 
> You have no evidence for the claim you made about Hoess.
> 
> My evidence hasn't been even touched by you.
> 
> --
> Philip Mathews
> 
> 
> 
> 
You are getting off the subject, with Hoess!
Look it your stupid drawing and admit they are just silly!
JS



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>>>>>> In article ,
>>>>>> Protagonist  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>>>>>>> "snow"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:BhIvi.689$i75.300@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net...
>>>>>>>>> "Philip Mathews"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:1186927920.803541.150250@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>>>> Nazi Shooting squads shot well over 1 million Jews in the 
>>>>>>>>>> Soviet
>>>>>>>>>> Union
>>>>>>>>>> and Eastern Europe. They buried the bodies in literally 
>>>>>>>>>> thousands
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> mass graves all over the region. What follows is a small 
>>>>>>>>>> collection
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> evidence, mostly visual, for these shootings, as well as the
>>>>>>>>>> highlights of a report on the archeological study of mass 
>>>>>>>>>> graves at
>>>>>>>>>> the Belzec extermination camp.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> A Report by United States Commission for the Preservation of
>>>>>>>>>> America's
>>>>>>>>>> Heritage Abroad. A list of approximately 500 mass grave 
>>>>>>>>>> sites in
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> Ukraine alone begins on page 142.
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.heritageabroad.gov/reports/doc/survey_ukraine_2005.pdf
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> A short film of an Einsatzgruppen shooting in Liepaja
>>>>>>>>>> http://www1.ushmm.org/wlc/media_fi.php?lang=en&ModuleId=10005130&Media
>>>>>>>>>> Id=183
>>>>>>>>> The photos that show an American soldier looking at the 
>>>>>>>>> graves are
>>>>>>>>> photo operation.
>>>>>>>> No they're not.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And if this is best you can do, perhaps you should give up 
>>>>>>>> Holocaust
>>>>>>>> denial.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You're pathetic at it.
>>>>>>> You are a psycho PHILLIP, YOU SHOULD LIVE THIS GROUP!
>>>>>>> js
>>>>>> What he said, Phil, please LIVE this group! :))
>>>>> Must be some current teevee expression Szaki has seen.
>>>> Your books are lacking evidence,
>>> How would know, you can't read.
>>>
>> Here we go again, Da high minded Jew!
> 
> And a poor memory to boot!
> 
> I'm not Jewish stupid.
> 
> And I'd say that the vast majority of living organisms on this planet 
> are more intellligent than you.
> 
> --
> Philip Mathews

Of course! I forgot!
Jews are the creators of this planets, deniers come after the
Jellyfish!
But what's that got to do with your silly drawing as evidence?
Are you thinking like a Jellyfish?
JS


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>>>>> In article ,
>>>>>  Protagonist  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>>>>>> "snow"  wrote in message 
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>>>>>>>> "Philip Mathews"  wrote in message 
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>>>>>>>>> Nazi Shooting squads shot well over 1 million Jews in the 
>>>>>>>>> Soviet Union
>>>>>>>>> and Eastern Europe. They buried the bodies in literally 
>>>>>>>>> thousands of
>>>>>>>>> mass graves all over the region. What follows is a small 
>>>>>>>>> collection of
>>>>>>>>> evidence, mostly visual, for these shootings, as well as the
>>>>>>>>> highlights of a report on the archeological study of mass 
>>>>>>>>> graves at
>>>>>>>>> the Belzec extermination camp.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A Report by United States Commission for the Preservation of 
>>>>>>>>> America's
>>>>>>>>> Heritage Abroad. A list of approximately 500 mass grave sites 
>>>>>>>>> in the
>>>>>>>>> Ukraine alone begins on page 142.
>>>>>>>>> http://www.heritageabroad.gov/reports/doc/survey_ukraine_2005.pdf
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A short film of an Einsatzgruppen shooting in Liepaja
>>>>>>>>> http://www1.ushmm.org/wlc/media_fi.php?lang=en&ModuleId=10005130&Media
>>>>>>>>> Id=183
>>>>>>>> The photos that show an American soldier looking at the graves 
>>>>>>>> are photo operation.
>>>>>>> No they're not.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And if this is best you can do, perhaps you should give up 
>>>>>>> Holocaust denial.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You're pathetic at it.
>>>>>> You are a psycho PHILLIP, YOU SHOULD LIVE THIS GROUP!
>>>>> What he said, Phil, please LIVE this group! :))
>>>> Spell checker Sara appeared, with proof for Da Holohoax with 
>>>> misspelled words.
>>> The proof of your idiocy is in what you write, little boy.
>> Ja, ja, Get lost, lier!
> 
> Good comeback stupid!
> 
> Now, what about all this evidence you can't address?
> 
> We'll accept your concession at any time.
> 
> --
> Philip Mathews
> 
> 
> 
> 
We're talking about your evidence, (silly drawings of mass-graves)not mine!
Do you have more of those?
JS


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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in 
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message 
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:cvidnUu6L-vr3yLbnZ2dnUVZ_sLinZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Philip Mathews wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 12, 12:55 pm, Protagonist 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Haha! My wife just looked it the picture 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> above, she smiled.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is what passes for evidence for the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> halfwit Szaki.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You would be surprised what a keen eye she 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> She picked you didn't she?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nuf said.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In any event, what you claim your wife claims 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is not evidence, stupid.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stop arguing f***er,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Getting a little annoyed, stupid!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Face it, your bleating is not evidence.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your drawings are no evidence, eh?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Photos, stupid, photos. And they're not mine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They are  photos of drawings, idiot!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Did they tell you that on teevee also?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any one can see that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ain't that the truth!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ever hear of books?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don't need books,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of course you don't. That's why they call it mindless 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> denial.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> look it the damn thing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Already have.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Read a book.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Apparently, you didn't look, idiot.
>>>>>>>>>>> Apparently you didn't think, stupid.
>>>>>>>>>> Just look, moron!
>>>>>>>>> You also have to think, stupid.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Philip Mathews
>>>>>>>> Here we go again, look!
>>>>>>> Read stupid.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You've presented nothing to cast doubt on any of the evidence 
>>>>>>> in this thread.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Still no comment on the film, eh!
>>>>>> Need the latest quickTime to play it.
>>>>> Hehe!
>>>>>
>>>>> You're running on empty little man.
>>>> Empty?
>>> Yeah, as in your head!
>>>
>>> All this evidence still stands and you haven't even touched it.
> 
>> You mean
> 
> I mean what was presented, stupid. Most of which you didn't even 
> attempt to address.
> 
> I guess we know why!
> 
> --
> Philip Mathews
> 
> 

Photos has to be investigated, if they real or not.
But your silly mass-grave drawings are surely don't stand a chance.
JS


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>>>>>>>>>>>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Philip Mathews wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 12, 11:03 am, KeeponChoog...@webtv.net 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Curly C) wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don't you mean Stalin's mass graves? What the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hell do you think he did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the 20-30 million he killed in the 1930's.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry stupid, these are known Holocaust graves.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After WW2 propaganda, idiot.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obviously stupid!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Show any forensic evidence, investigation done by 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> independent, neutral body.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Got any forensic evidence for any war ever fought, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stupid?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's right idiot, they digging it up all the time, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even today.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Show us the forensic evidence for the battle of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gettysburg, stupid.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gattysburg was a battlefield,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prove it with forensic evidence, stupid.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You see, forensic evidence is not necessary for 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> historical truth. If you weren't so stupid you'd know 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If there suing involved, courts, hanging people etc...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yes, forensic evidence is a must.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nope, not a necessary piece of evidence at all.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So you know as little about the law as you do history.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just not enough good teevee shows, eh stupid.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I know you Jews,
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not Jewish stupid. And forsenic evidence is but one 
>>>>>>>>>>> form of evidence and doesn't exist for almost all events in 
>>>>>>>>>>> history.
>>>>>>>>>> Of course it does!
>>>>>>>>> Yeah, but you can't present any!!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Forensic evidence doesn't exist for almost all events of 
>>>>>>>>> history.
>>>>>>>> Than you can't sue.
>>>>>>> Yes you can.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> After all, the perpetrator didn't even deny doing it!
>>>>>> They were forced to say things!
>>>>> Another lie for which no evidence exists.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ever notice that all deniers can do is deny real evidence, while 
>>>>> never offering any for there own self-serving claims?
>>>> Sure, the Soviets or the other Allies going to admit, Hoess was 
>>>> tortured for admitting evidence!
>>> Hoess had nothing to do with the shootings and mass graves we're 
>>> discussing, stupid.
>>>
>>> The Soviets had nothing to do with Hoess.
>> No? He was held in prison in Poland by the communist!
> 
> By Poles, not Soviets, stupid. And Hoess was not touched in Polan.
> 
>>> And Hoess was merely roughed up when captured.
> 
>> Ja, sure. He confessed every thing just like that, so he can be 
>> hanged!
> 
> No, he talked about very little. He wrote a detailed 200 page memoir 
> much later after he'd already been sentenced to death.
> 
> Nothing to do with torture.
> 
> And Hoess has nothing to do with what we're discussing, stupid.
> 
>>> So you have no evidence for tortured confessions. None.
>> He was held by the communist, what more you need?
> 
> Evidence, stupid.
> 
> --
> Philip Mathews
> 
> 

I grew up in communism and your not, fat ass Zion-Yankee.
Some one held in communist prison is plenty of evidence for forced 
confession, even for lot less crime what Hoess was accused of!
JS


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>>>>>> Sara Salzman wrote:
>>>>>>> In article ,
>>>>>>>  Protagonist  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
>>>>>>>>> news:cvidnU-6L-u83SLbnZ2dnUVZ_sKqnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>>>>>>> Philip Mathews wrote:>>> http://snurl.com/2p01Grave Pits at 
>>>>>>>>>> Belzec #32
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://snurl.com/2p03Grave Pits at Belzec #33
>>>>>>>>>>>> This photo shows typhus victims in a mass grave.
>>>>>>>>>>> Not necessarily.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Belsen camp had many thousands died this way,
>>>>>>>>>>> So what. Death by disease was just another murder method 
>>>>>>>>>>> used by the
>>>>>>>>>>> Nazis.
>>>>>>>>>> Your stupid ass!
>>>>>>>>>> There was no food at the end of war,
>>>>>>>>> There was plenty of food. The only people starving were those 
>>>>>>>>> in the Nazi camps. And food was only part of the cause of 
>>>>>>>>> disease, stupid. Deliberate denial of means for proper 
>>>>>>>>> sanitation was itself a major cause of disease.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Murder is murder, by whatever means.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Philip Mathews
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not really lying fucker!
>>>>>>>> Even Hoess said on his trial, food was scares and the allies 
>>>>>>>> bombed every transportation that moved.
>>>>>>> You're not only a liar, you're an idiot.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Show us where Hoess said this, Liar.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why don't you go and lie to your Zionist brothers.
>>>>>>>> JS
>>>>>>> Why don't you go and pound sand?
>>>>>> That is correct, Hoess said that,
>>>>> No he didn't, liar.
>>>>>
>>>>> Typical denier, all mouth, no evidence.
>>>> Of course your children drawings are evidence.
>>> Don't change the subject, stupid.
>>>
>>> You have no evidence for the claim you made about Hoess.
>>>
>>> My evidence hasn't been even touched by you.
> 
>> You are getting off the subject, with Hoess!
> 
> Nope, we already demonstrated you lied about that.
> 
> And it was you got off the topic of the evidence.
> 
> A study of Polish researchers found 33 graves at the site of the 
> Belzec

Polish researchers? What side they are on? Germans?
Do Polaks like Germans?
How about the Soviets, they went through Europe without killing any one?
And you except all these craps as evidence!
Go back to your silly drawings and admire it!
JS



> extermination camp where hundreds of thousands of Jews were murdered 
> by
> German Nazi units. The study was published in 2000 as:
> 
> ANDRZEJ KOLA, BELZEC. THE NAZI CAMP FOR JEWS IN THE LIGHT OF 
> ARCHAEOLOGICAL
> SOURCES. Excavations 1997-1999. ISBN 83-905590-6-4.
> 
> 
> According to this publication, the volumes of the graves are:
> 
> 
> Grave pits      m3
> 1           1500
> 2            170
> 3            960
> 4            250
> 5           1350
> 6           1200
> 7           1600
> 8            850
> 9            280
> 10          2100
> 11            80
> 12           400
> 13           920
> 14          1850
> 15           400
> 16           700
> 17           500
> 18           570
> 19           500
> 20          1150
> 21            35
> 22           200
> 23           550
> 24           520
> 25           250
> 26           320
> 27           450
> 28            70
> 29           900
> 30            75
> 31            90
> 32           400
> 33           120
> Sum           21,310
> 
> 
> It has to be noted that the archaelogists in some cases only gave 
> minimum
> estimates; in some cases they stopped drilling when they reached a 
> layer of
> bodies.
> 
> 
> --
> 
> Philip Mathews
> 
> 
> 
> 


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philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
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>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
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>>>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
>>>>> news:I_-dnWCbntL2xyLbnZ2dnUVZ_j2dnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>>>>>> "Sara Salzman"  wrote in message 
>>>>>>> news:catamont-47409A.13594512082007@news-40.giganews.com...
>>>>>>>> In article ,
>>>>>>>> Protagonist  wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> "snow"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:BhIvi.689$i75.300@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net...
>>>>>>>>>>> "Philip Mathews"  wrote in 
>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:1186927920.803541.150250@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>> Nazi Shooting squads shot well over 1 million Jews in the 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Soviet
>>>>>>>>>>>> Union
>>>>>>>>>>>> and Eastern Europe. They buried the bodies in literally 
>>>>>>>>>>>> thousands
>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>> mass graves all over the region. What follows is a small 
>>>>>>>>>>>> collection
>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence, mostly visual, for these shootings, as well as 
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> highlights of a report on the archeological study of mass 
>>>>>>>>>>>> graves at
>>>>>>>>>>>> the Belzec extermination camp.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> A Report by United States Commission for the Preservation 
>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>> America's
>>>>>>>>>>>> Heritage Abroad. A list of approximately 500 mass grave 
>>>>>>>>>>>> sites in
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ukraine alone begins on page 142.
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.heritageabroad.gov/reports/doc/survey_ukraine_2005.pdf
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> A short film of an Einsatzgruppen shooting in Liepaja
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www1.ushmm.org/wlc/media_fi.php?lang=en&ModuleId=10005130&Media
>>>>>>>>>>>> Id=183
>>>>>>>>>>> The photos that show an American soldier looking at the 
>>>>>>>>>>> graves are
>>>>>>>>>>> photo operation.
>>>>>>>>>> No they're not.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And if this is best you can do, perhaps you should give up 
>>>>>>>>>> Holocaust
>>>>>>>>>> denial.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You're pathetic at it.
>>>>>>>>> You are a psycho PHILLIP, YOU SHOULD LIVE THIS GROUP!
>>>>>>>>> js
>>>>>>>> What he said, Phil, please LIVE this group! :))
>>>>>>> Must be some current teevee expression Szaki has seen.
>>>>>> Your books are lacking evidence,
>>>>> How would know, you can't read.
>>>>>
>>>> Here we go again, Da high minded Jew!
>>> And a poor memory to boot!
>>>
>>> I'm not Jewish stupid.
>>>
>>> And I'd say that the vast majority of living organisms on this 
>>> planet are more intellligent than you.
> 
>> Of course! I forgot!
>> Jews are the creators of this planets,
> 
> Spare us your Jew hating drivel.
> 
> Can't touch the evidence, can ya!
> 
> ANDRZEJ KOLA, BELZEC. THE NAZI CAMP FOR JEWS IN THE LIGHT OF 
> ARCHAEOLOGICAL
> SOURCES. Excavations 1997-1999. ISBN 83-905590-6-4.
> p.21
> 
> 
> During the excavation works from the years of 1997-98 in Belzec with 
> 2227
> archaeological probing drills in 225 cases grave structures, including 
> the
> layers of corpses in wax-fat transformation or burnt human remains 
> (burnt
> bones mixed with charcoal from the grates) [18] were located. Although 
> 5 m
> distance module of drills used in the structures does not enable to 
> state
> precisely the range of the grave pits, in the light of planigraphy 
> analysis
> we can initially sketch the average size and location, and the 
> analysis of
> the sample structures illustrates the character of the contents of
> particular pits, their forms and the depth of deposition [19].
> 
> 
> The grave pit No 1 (Fig. 18)
> 
> 
> The grave pit No 1 was situated in the north-western part of ha XXII 
> basing
> on 13 deep drills (No 2, 3, 11, 18, 19, 23, 24, 37, 38, 44, 56, 65, 
> 66). The
> most probably, in bottom view, it had a shape of an irregular 
> rectangle with
> the size of 40,00 x 12,00 m and the depth of 4,80 m. The pit was 
> filled with
> bodies in wax-fat transformation; from the depth of about 2,00 m burnt 
> human
> bones and charcoal were mixed together. Such contents was already 
> reported
> at the depth of about 20-30 cm from the surface. Burnt human bones and
> charcoal are also found in samples drilled out in the area around that 
> pit.
> In the drill No 66, except human remains at the depth of 1,40 the 
> wastes
> (glass, tin) were stated and at the depth of 1,70 m the drilling was
> stopped: Underground waters appeared at the depth of 4, 10 m. The 
> estimated
> volume of the pit was about 1500 m3.
> [...]
> 
> 
> [18] Microchemical analysis confirms in the sample taken from the 
> drill
> 218/XXII - 25-75 (depth 150-180 cm from the ground surface) the 
> existence of
> molecules of burnt human bodies and charcoal (from crematory grave No 
> 2/97
> in ha XXII) appearance of compounds typical for bone structures 
> (calcium
> carbonate, calcium phosphate); compare A. S. Skibinscy Badania
> materialoznawcze probek z bylego hitlerowskiego obozu zaglady w 
> Belzcu, The
> Archive of the ROPWiM.
> 
> 
> [19] The numerical order of the grave pits located at Belzec camp area 
> is
> according to these objects excavated during the probing works in the 
> years
> 1997-1998.
> 
> 
> --
> 
> Philip Mathews
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
Yes, I know!
Nazis murdered 800,000 Jews, buried them, than few months later dig the 
bodies up and burned them.

Do you have more stupid stories to tell?
JS


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philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
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>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
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>>>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
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>>>>>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>>>>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
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>>>>>>>> Sara Salzman wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In article ,
>>>>>>>>>  Protagonist  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
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>>>>>>>>>>>> Philip Mathews wrote:>>> http://snurl.com/2p01Grave Pits 
>>>>>>>>>>>> at Belzec #32
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://snurl.com/2p03Grave Pits at Belzec #33
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This photo shows typhus victims in a mass grave.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not necessarily.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Belsen camp had many thousands died this way,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So what. Death by disease was just another murder method 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> used by the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nazis.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Your stupid ass!
>>>>>>>>>>>> There was no food at the end of war,
>>>>>>>>>>> There was plenty of food. The only people starving were 
>>>>>>>>>>> those in the Nazi camps. And food was only part of the 
>>>>>>>>>>> cause of disease, stupid. Deliberate denial of means for 
>>>>>>>>>>> proper sanitation was itself a major cause of disease.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Murder is murder, by whatever means.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> Philip Mathews
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Not really lying fucker!
>>>>>>>>>> Even Hoess said on his trial, food was scares and the allies 
>>>>>>>>>> bombed every transportation that moved.
>>>>>>>>> You're not only a liar, you're an idiot.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Show us where Hoess said this, Liar.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Why don't you go and lie to your Zionist brothers.
>>>>>>>>>> JS
>>>>>>>>> Why don't you go and pound sand?
>>>>>>>> That is correct, Hoess said that,
>>>>>>> No he didn't, liar.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Typical denier, all mouth, no evidence.
>>>>>> Of course your children drawings are evidence.
>>>>> Don't change the subject, stupid.
>>>>>
>>>>> You have no evidence for the claim you made about Hoess.
>>>>>
>>>>> My evidence hasn't been even touched by you.
>>>> You are getting off the subject, with Hoess!
>>> Nope, we already demonstrated you lied about that.
>>>
>>> And it was you got off the topic of the evidence.
>>>
>>> A study of Polish researchers found 33 graves at the site of the 
>>> Belzec
>> Polish researchers? What side they are on? Germans?
> 
> They are on the side of truth, stupid.

Hmm! Of course! (o:
Polaks are the descents of Jesus.
Do you have more jokes to tell?

JS

> 
>>> extermination camp where hundreds of thousands of Jews were 
>>> murdered by
>>> German Nazi units. The study was published in 2000 as:
>>>
>>> ANDRZEJ KOLA, BELZEC. THE NAZI CAMP FOR JEWS IN THE LIGHT OF 
>>> ARCHAEOLOGICAL
>>> SOURCES. Excavations 1997-1999. ISBN 83-905590-6-4.
>>>
>>>
>>> According to this publication, the volumes of the graves are:
>>>
>>>
>>> Grave pits      m3
>>> 1           1500
>>> 2            170
>>> 3            960
>>> 4            250
>>> 5           1350
>>> 6           1200
>>> 7           1600
>>> 8            850
>>> 9            280
>>> 10          2100
>>> 11            80
>>> 12           400
>>> 13           920
>>> 14          1850
>>> 15           400
>>> 16           700
>>> 17           500
>>> 18           570
>>> 19           500
>>> 20          1150
>>> 21            35
>>> 22           200
>>> 23           550
>>> 24           520
>>> 25           250
>>> 26           320
>>> 27           450
>>> 28            70
>>> 29           900
>>> 30            75
>>> 31            90
>>> 32           400
>>> 33           120
>>> Sum           21,310
>>>
>>>
>>> It has to be noted that the archaelogists in some cases only gave 
>>> minimum
>>> estimates; in some cases they stopped drilling when they reached a 
>>> layer of
>>> bodies.
> 
> --
> Philip Mathews
> 
> 


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philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
> "snow"  wrote in message 
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>>> Kurt Knoll wrote:
>>>> This one picture is taken from a news paper article. Jews are 
>>>> great when it comes to changing headers.
>>> Don't matter!
>>> Obvious it was drawn by hand, very bad manipulation!
>>> JS
>>>
>> These are drawings. I just sent to my friend. He said he opened it 
>> in photoshop and you can tell it either a picture of a drawing or 
>> drawing because of some lines.
> 
> Bullshit. You're lying.
> 
> I have photoshop and it shows no such thing.
> 
> --
> Philip Mathews
> 
> 
Don't need photoshop, any one can see it!
Even my cat meow-ed , saying these are drawings!
JS


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ragland31@gmail.com wrote:
> On Aug 12, 9:03 am, Philip Mathews  wrote:
>> On Aug 12, 11:03 am, KeeponChoog...@webtv.net (Curly C) wrote:
>>
>>> Don't you mean Stalin's mass graves? What the hell do you think he did
>>> with the 20-30 million he killed in the 1930's.
>> Sorry stupid, these are known Holocaust graves.
>>
>> What can you expect from someone using webtv!
>>
>> --
>> Philip Mathews
> 
> 
> Hey, I used webtv a long time ago and I did some serious damage and
> also got in hot water with it at least twice. It is not to be
> underestimated.
> 
> Michael Ragland
> 

Shows how stupid you are.
Next time take the electric iron or the toaster with you in to the bath.
Make sure to plug them in first!
JS


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snow wrote:
> I came across this website that has some of the most terrible holocaust 
> videos. I was shocked at what I have seen. Apparently even you tube 
> couldn't handle all the terror and put a ban on these videos. 
> http://www.onethirdoftheholocaust.com/ is the website.

Oh yes, da water well.
Dead Jew contaminated water is very tasty, I guess!
Maybe that's what killed them, instead of the Germans!
JS



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Eugene Holman wrote:
> In article ,
>  Protagonist  wrote:
> 
>> Eugene Holman wrote:
>>> In article ,
> 
> 
>> Both used gas, Iran and Iraq, Halabja was caught in the cross fire.
>> But only Iraq was blamed.
> 
> Both sides used gas, but only Iraq was blamed *for Halabja*, except. of 
> course, in the conspiracy mongering "it wasn't a hijacked American 
> Airlines Boeing 757 that hit the Pentagon on 9/11"  circles that Cramer 
> so admires.

What about building 7?
How much money Silverstein made on his WTC leasing deal?
Too many "if"-s and coincidences.
All from a Guy planing all these events from the caves of Afghanistan.
JS




> 
>> Also, you forget after the Golf war and even now, Turkey bombed the 
>> separatist Kurds in Iraq many times.
>> Turkey had many military raids into Iraq under the watchfully eye of the 
>> US, without any complaines.
>> Of course Turkey is a Nato member, it can get away with anything.
>> Balfasz Holmes, you like to preach what is convenient for you.
> 
> Wrong. I was neither blaming nor praising the behavior of either side. 
> My point was to illustrate that the Cramerian ability to be critical of 
> sources, reason, and draw conclusions sucks, big time.
> 
> Regards,
> Eugene Holman


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Richard Warren wrote:
>  wrote in message 
> news:S6qdnZ8IL5pRwCLbnZ2dnUVZ_hmtnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
>> news:V7qdnStsGPrnwCLbnZ2dnUVZ_vWtnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
>>>> news:I_-dnWCbntL2xyLbnZ2dnUVZ_j2dnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>>>>> "Sara Salzman"  wrote in message 
>>>>>> news:catamont-47409A.13594512082007@news-40.giganews.com...
>>>>>>> In article ,
>>>>>>> Protagonist  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "snow"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:BhIvi.689$i75.300@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net...
>>>>>>>>>> "Philip Mathews"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:1186927920.803541.150250@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>>>>> Nazi Shooting squads shot well over 1 million Jews in the Soviet
>>>>>>>>>>> Union
>>>>>>>>>>> and Eastern Europe. They buried the bodies in literally thousands
>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>> mass graves all over the region. What follows is a small 
>>>>>>>>>>> collection
>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>> evidence, mostly visual, for these shootings, as well as the
>>>>>>>>>>> highlights of a report on the archeological study of mass graves 
>>>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>> the Belzec extermination camp.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> A Report by United States Commission for the Preservation of
>>>>>>>>>>> America's
>>>>>>>>>>> Heritage Abroad. A list of approximately 500 mass grave sites in
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> Ukraine alone begins on page 142.
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.heritageabroad.gov/reports/doc/survey_ukraine_2005.pdf
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> A short film of an Einsatzgruppen shooting in Liepaja
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www1.ushmm.org/wlc/media_fi.php?lang=en&ModuleId=10005130&Media
>>>>>>>>>>> Id=183
>>>>>>>>>> The photos that show an American soldier looking at the graves are
>>>>>>>>>> photo operation.
>>>>>>>>> No they're not.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And if this is best you can do, perhaps you should give up 
>>>>>>>>> Holocaust
>>>>>>>>> denial.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You're pathetic at it.
>>>>>>>> You are a psycho PHILLIP, YOU SHOULD LIVE THIS GROUP!
>>>>>>>> js
>>>>>>> What he said, Phil, please LIVE this group! :))
>>>>>> Must be some current teevee expression Szaki has seen.
>>>>> Your books are lacking evidence,
>>>> How would know, you can't read.
>>>>
>>> Here we go again, Da high minded Jew!
>> And a poor memory to boot!
>>
>> I'm not Jewish stupid.
>>
>> And I'd say that the vast majority of living organisms on this planet are 
>> more intellligent than you.
>>
>> --
>> Philip Mathews
> 
> 
> 
> So are the vast majority of dead ones.
> 


Stay on the subjects Stupid!
Insults don't work!
JS




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Here is the proof for the Holohoax! Haha!
Drawings!
http://www.infocenters.co.il/gfh_multimedia/GFH/0000002085/0000002085_1_web.jpg
http://www.infocenters.co.il/gfh_multimedia/GFH/0000002086/0000002086_1_web.jpg
JS


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Ragland becoming a Jewish/Zionist philosopher!
Haha!
JS



ragland31@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> 
>       Common Characteristics of Hate Sites:
> 
> Bigotry and hatred thrive on ignorance, fear, false information and
> half-truths. Hate Sites often cloak their message of hate through
> religious devotion, patriotic agendas or some other means that may not
> be apparent at first glance. In their efforts to draw readers'
> support, most hate sites:
> 1. Capitalize on Paranoia
> Conspiracy theories abound on hate sites, which often blame the groups
> they target for any number of social, economic or political problems.
> Such theories rely on their readers' ignorance, plus invented
> "evidence," to back up their claims.
> 
> One of the most infamous conspiracy theories is contained in the
> Protocols of the Elders of Zion. The book was written by agents of the
> Russian czar at the end of the 19th century, and falsely "documents"
> the existence of a Jewish conspiracy to take over the world. Although
> such a theory has been thoroughly debunked, hate-mongers continue to
> invoke the Protocols.
> 
> 2. Suggest Sanction from Above (Religion Used To Cloak Hate)
> Hate sites often make use of scriptural references, religious writings
> and holy tracts to give the impression that their claims are
> sanctified by moral righteousness and guided by a higher power.
> 
> For example, the site God Hates Fags portrays gays and lesbians in a
> hateful and demeaning way. Embedded in its homophobic rhetoric are
> scriptural references to support the position that God has "given up"
> on gay persons.
> 
> 3. Exploit Fear of Armageddon
> Hate groups take advantage of people's fears of social and economic
> uncertainty by blaming the woes of modern society on the particular
> group they target. Canadian sites like National Skinhead Front, CFAR
> and the Canadian Heritage Alliance focus on the "dangers" of
> immigration and the need to return to a "traditional European way of
> life."
> 
> Common Strategies
> 
> 
> 1. Racialism
> White power and white supremacy sites typically deny that they are
> racist organizations. Instead, they focus on the need to protect white
> people from assimilation and/or direct threats from non-white groups.
> They call this perspective "racialist" as opposed to racist.
> 
> The 14/88 Society is a good example of this dynamic. The site's name
> combines two hate slogans popular in the white supremacy movement:
> 
> 14 refers to the 14-word slogan: "We must secure the existence of our
> race and a future for white children" 88 represents HH (H being the
> eighth number in the alphabet), which stands for Heil Hitler. Overtly
> racist sites, like 14/88, are the easiest to identify because they
> conform to the mainstream image of the neo-Nazi skinhead hate group.
> However, Canadian researcher Matthew Lauder warns that many hate sites
> attempt to conceal a racist agenda behind a more moderate message.
> 
> For example, Melissa Guille of the Canadian Heritage Alliance (CHA)
> denies the CHA is a hate site, arguing instead that the site is
> concerned about "keeping Canada for Canadians" and "removing the anti-
> white sentiment in society."
> 
> Racist messages are also used by non-white hate groups, such as
> Aztlan, a site dedicated to the establishment of a greater Hispanic
> empire in North America, and Libre Opinion, a Spanish-language ISP
> providing free hosting services to racist sites.
> 
> 2. Pseudo-Science and Intellectualism
> Many hate-mongers use pseudo-scientific intellectualized language and
> incorporate the work of university-based academics to make their views
> seem more credible.
> 
> Canadian professor Phillip Rushton's work on the different
> intellectual and physical abilities of different "races" is a case in
> point. In addition, the late Dr. William Pierce operated a publishing
> company that released a steady stream of neo-Nazi literature. Pierce's
> fictionalized account of racialist revolution in The Turner Diaries is
> said to have inspired the Oklahoma City bombing in 1995.
> 
> 3. Historical Revisionsim
> Holocaust denial is a frequently used strategy. Haters who "revise"
> history argue that the Holocaust either did not occur, or was less
> significant than the historical record indicates. The Zundelsite, for
> example, houses a collection of revisionist writings, including
> Zundel's pamphlet Did Six Million Really Die?
> 
> 4. Patriotism
> A number of hate sites clothe their messages in patriotic language.
> For example, the High Desert Militia of Southern California includes
> quotes from Thomas Jefferson and Ben Franklin on their home page,
> beside the "Patriot's Prayer".
> 
> 5. Misinformation
> A number of hate groups seek to embed their messages in sites that
> purport to exist for non-hateful purposes. At first glance, the site
> martinlutherking.org appears to contain historical information about
> King and the civil rights movement; however, it in fact promotes
> racism and anti-Semitism. Similarly, the Canadian Association for Free
> Expression purports to advocate for civil liberties, but its founder,
> Paul Fromm, admits that the site was created to promote "conservative
> discussion especially of race and immigration."
> 
> 6. Nationalism
> Sites such as the U.S.-based League of the South and the Canadian
> Heritage Alliance use the language of national pride and heritage to
> advocate for a return to white, "anglo-Celtic civilization."
> 
> 7. Hate Symbols
> The hate movement continues to use well-known symbols such as the Nazi
> swastika and the KKK's burning cross to "brand" its message. However,
> it is increasingly common for hate groups to co-opt mainstream symbols
> such as the Celtic cross and pagan runes, re-signifying them as
> emblems of white supremacy.
> 
> The Anti-Defamation League argues that hate symbols are more than mere
> signs: "These symbols are meant to inspire a sense of fear and
> insecurity. [They] give haters a sense of power and belonging, and a
> quick way of identifying with others who share their ideology."
> 


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ragland31@gmail.com wrote:
> On Aug 11, 8:21 pm, "127.0.0.1" <127.0....@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>> On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 19:26:34 -0700
>>
>> Protagonist  wrote:
>>> Very interesting Ragland, millions of Moslem's lived in Europe for
>>> centuries, Christen Europe were in war with them many times, Moslem's
>>> even occupied parts of Europe through force, still only the innocent
>>> Jews are the problems and were hated and abused by Europeans.
>>> What did the Jews do to make them self to be hated so much?
>>> Why not the Moslem's?
>>> JS
>> Now ya know:http://judicial-inc.biz/Romanoffs.htmhttp://judicial-inc.biz/8_11_fabulous_sarah_silverman.htmhttp://www.kevinmacdonald.net/books.htm
> 
> 
> What a nonentity name you have 127.0.0.1 Ah, Kevin MacDonald; the
> antisemitic
> author of the trilogy. Jewish evolutionary group strategy. MacDonald
> argued
> the Holocaust was an appropriate response. The Jews were hated so much
> due
> to Christianity. They were persecuted and pogromed for 2,000 years or
> so.
> Judaism is not Christianity but at the same time it is interwoven with
> it.
> The Muslim religion was separate from Christianity; more separate than
> say Judaism is to Christianity. Christianity didn't start out
> antisemitic
> but eventually Rome made it official policy. I'm not a historian of
> the
> Crusades or even specifically why the Jews ended up as the world's
> favorite scapegoat. I wrote a response to David Michael long ago which
> summed it up I think but I can't find it. Suffice to say, the Jews
> didn't
> accept Jesus as the Messiah and Pontius Pilate ordered the
> crucifixtion
> of Jesus; consequently throughout the centuries Jews were deemed
> "Christ
> Killers". Throughout the centuries new forms of antisemitism were
> added
> on such as racialism or racial hygiene and most recently within the
> last
> sixty years Israel has become the lightening rod. The antisemitism I
> see
> on alt.revisionism is still borrowed from centuries ago but I
> encounter
> religious antisemitism less which probably is the result of increasing
> secularization and assimilation in society.
> 
> The big myths on a.r. tend to be the following:
> 
> (a) There is a conspiracy by the Jews to destroy the Goyim and control
> the world.
> 
> (b) Jews control the world's media
> 
> (c) Jews control the world's central banking and international
> financial markets.
> 
> (d) The Jews are liars and corrupters.
> 
> (e) The Jews are responsible for practically everything which
> has caused turmoil and problems.
> 
> (f) Isreal is the cause of the world's problems
> 
> (g) The Holocaust either never happened or has been blown
> way out of proportion to extort money from the gullible
> "Goyim".
> 
> There are more of course but these are the predominant ones. None
> of this is evidence the Holocaust didn't happen. It is evidence
> of delusional thinking.
> 
> Michael Ragland
> 

What's the matter Ragland, deep blow in to your Jewish heart?
Seeing Sara Silverman like that as a slimy comedian?
Telling kids, being a whore is a good thing?
JS



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Sara Salzman wrote:
> In article ,
>  "127.0.0.1" <127.0.0.1@127.0.0.1> wrote:
> 
>> On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 19:26:34 -0700
>> Protagonist  wrote:
>>
>>> Very interesting Ragland, millions of Moslem's lived in Europe for 
>>> centuries, Christen Europe were in war with them many times, Moslem's 
>>> even occupied parts of Europe through force, still only the innocent 
>>> Jews are the problems and were hated and abused by Europeans.
>>> What did the Jews do to make them self to be hated so much?
>>> Why not the Moslem's?
>>> JS
>>>
>> Now ya know:
>> http://judicial-inc.biz/Romanoffs.htm
>> http://judicial-inc.biz/8_11_fabulous_sarah_silverman.htm
>> http://www.kevinmacdonald.net/books.htm
> 
> Oh look. The little baby Tommy is back.
> 
> Shouldn't you be getting ready for school, or did Mommy let you drop out?
> 
> Sara
> 

Would you like blow him, Sara?
You're not getting enough stick, now you fantasizing over that AR 
posters are children, even if he as a denier?
JS



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ragland31@gmail.com wrote:
> On Aug 12, 7:07 pm, Protagonist  wrote:
>> Here is the proof for the Holohoax! Haha!
>> Drawings!http://www.infocenters.co.il/gfh_multimedia/GFH/0000002085/0000002085...http://www.infocenters.co.il/gfh_multimedia/GFH/0000002086/0000002086...
>> JS
> 
> Why do you try to deny the Holocaust? Even if these "pictures" (very
> poor reproduction) or drawings aren't
> real the Holocaust definitely happened and people were put into dug
> pits such as these. There is so much evidence
> for the Holocaust that no one author could indepthly address it all
> and we still don't know the all of it. If you
> don't believe me ask McVey, Holman or Matthews.
> 
> Michael Ragland
> 
Are you talking about fake evidences to cover up your Holohoax lies?
Problem with the Holocau$t, there are no evidences.
Holohoax enforced upon people, if any one proves otherwise must go to jail.
Today, Jewish media and money power is spreading through the world, 
under the cover name, called Globalism.
Open your eyes idiot, see how the world is being corrupted.
JS





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ragland31@gmail.com wrote:
> On Aug 12, 3:37 pm, pleyl...@bigpond.net.au (Rootmaster) wrote:
>> On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 09:15:43 -0700, Leading Shabbos Goy
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> raglan...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Aug 12, 8:41 am, Aviroce  wrote:
>>>> On Aug 11, 2:39 pm, pleyl...@bigpond.net.au (Ms Buyers) wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 08:46:43 -0400, "ElParedon" 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> http://www.theillustrateddailyscribble.com/
>>>>> Begging for money from the Gentile to line jew pockets is Oy Vey
>>>>> McVay's stock in trade.
>>>> SOON THESE JEWS WILL HAVE TO REFUND THE MONEY.  THE GERMAN ARCHIVES
>>>> HAVE BEEN OPENED TO RESEARCHERS AND THE FACTS ARE LYING IN THERE.
>>>> ELPAREDON'S HYPOTHESIS WILL BE VERIFIED AS THE TRUTH ABOUT THE HOLO-
>>>> HOAX.  ELPAREDON IS COMMENDED FOR HIS WORK ON THIS ISSUE.  ELPAREDON
>>>> IS GETTING "JEWISH RIDE" ON THE WORLD COMMUNITY.  SIMPLY BECAUSE THE
>>>> "RIDE" IS A HOAX.  THESE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN SELLING ROTTEN EGGS.  THEY
>>>> STINK.
>>> I THINK YOU ARE WRONG ABOUT THE HOLOCAUST BEING A HOAX. WHAT MAKES
>>> YOU
>>> THINK IT IS A RIDE AVIROCE. THAT IS A WEIRD NAME. WHY ARE YOU WRITING
>>> IN CAPS; FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE VISUALLY IMPAIRED?
>>> MICHAEL RAGLAND
>> RAGLAND IS A WEIRD NAME, LEADING SHABBOS GOY RAGLAND.    WAS IT
>> ORIGINALLY RAGHEADLAND?- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
> 
> Not common but you're likely to find a few in the phone book. It's of
> Scottish origin. My father's relatives were in the U.S. a long time
> ago; never done a professional geneological study done for me. My
> Mother's side
> which is Norwegian and German and/or Italian/Jewish (question about
> that) have been in the U.S. only since the end of the 19th century.
> 
> Michael Ragland
> 

I call the you US as "The Island of Dr. Monroe".
Dangerous mix of Molotov cocktail of genes, like yours Ragland!
Was your father an Indian/Eskimo/Monkey mix?
Must be!
JS



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Sara Salzman wrote:
> In article ,
>  Protagonist  wrote:
> 
>> Sara Salzman wrote:
>>> In article ,
>>>  "127.0.0.1" <127.0.0.1@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 19:26:34 -0700
>>>> Protagonist  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Very interesting Ragland, millions of Moslem's lived in Europe for 
>>>>> centuries, Christen Europe were in war with them many times, Moslem's 
>>>>> even occupied parts of Europe through force, still only the innocent 
>>>>> Jews are the problems and were hated and abused by Europeans.
>>>>> What did the Jews do to make them self to be hated so much?
>>>>> Why not the Moslem's?
>>>>> JS
>>>>>
>>>> Now ya know:
>>>> http://judicial-inc.biz/Romanoffs.htm
>>>> http://judicial-inc.biz/8_11_fabulous_sarah_silverman.htm
>>>> http://www.kevinmacdonald.net/books.htm
>>> Oh look. The little baby Tommy is back.
>>>
>>> Shouldn't you be getting ready for school, or did Mommy let you drop out?
>>>
>>> Sara
>>>
>> Would you like blow him, Sara?
> 
> What a disgusting foul mouth you have, Julius.
> 
> Just because you'll never have a mature relationship doesn't mean the 
> rest of us are as obsessed with sex as you are.
> 
>> You're not getting enough stick, now you fantasizing over that AR 
>> posters are children, even if he as a denier?
>> JS
> 
> You're the one fantasizing. Little Tommy has already announced in this 
> very newsgroup that he is a teenager.
> 
> Why do you lie about things like this, and compound your lies with your 
> idiotic sexual fantasies?
> 
> Sara
> 
Oh yeh?
So if I announce my self as a 13 year old, do you believe it?
Do you like little boys, Sara?
You're thinking, if Anna Frank was a little boy, you wouldn't need 
little Tommy to fantasized about!
Life is torture, without the Holohoax, eh Sara?
JS




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Gord McFee wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 20:57:22 -0700, in
> , Protagonist
>  wrote:
> 
>> ragland31@gmail.com wrote:
>>> If Jews are such an abonimation then why did God create them?
>>>
>>> Michael Ragland
>>>
>> Why did God create monkeys or cockroaches for?
> 
> So deniers would have something to look up to.
> 

Looks like your head is stuck in your butthole, eh, idiot!
You've been trying to look up to yourself?
In vain though, moral filth!
JS


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Sara Salzman wrote:
> In article <1187044959.301672.116660@b79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
>  TurkeyBoy  wrote:
> 
>> On Aug 13, 9:31 pm, parri...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>> On 13 Aug, 19:06, TurkeyBoy  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Aug 13, 7:07 pm, parri...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>> On 13 Aug, 15:40, TurkeyBoy  wrote:
>>>>>> On Aug 13, 3:36 pm, Philip Mathews  wrote:
>>>>>>> On Aug 13, 2:15 am, TurkeyBoy  wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Aug 13, 4:24 am, raglan...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Aug 12, 7:07 pm, Protagonist  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Here is the proof for the Holohoax! Haha!
>>>>>>>>>> Drawings!http://www.infocenters.co.il/gfh_multimedia/GFH/00000
>>>>>>>>>> 02085/0000002085......
>>>>>>>>>> JS
>>>>>>>>> Why do you try to deny the Holocaust? Even if these "pictures" 
>>>>>>>>> (very
>>>>>>>>> poor reproduction) or drawings aren't
>>>>>>>>> real the Holocaust definitely happened and people were put into 
>>>>>>>>> dug
>>>>>>>>> pits such as these. There is so much evidence
>>>>>>>>> for the Holocaust that no one author could indepthly address it 
>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>> and we still don't know the all of it. If you
>>>>>>>>> don't believe me ask McVey, Holman or Matthews.
>>>>>>>>> Michael Ragland
>>>>>>>> I do not know who is right and who is wrong about this 
>>>>>>>> "holocaust"
>>>>>>>> business but I know that too much is made of it and the 
>>>>>>>> holohustlering
>>>>>>>> is getting very tiresome.
>>>>>>> What is getting tiresome is the lies of deniers about proven 
>>>>>>> history.
>>>>>> It is so difficult to decide just what is what.
>>>>>> When I read some of Protagonist's posts, I am inclined to believe 
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> maybe there is something to all that holohustlering stuff.
>>>>>> When I read posts from Salzman, b'luto, McVay, Duffer and others like
>>>>>> you, I am inclined to believe that is just a lot of boloney.
>>>>> Reading aggressive statements from strangers makes you doubt the world
>>>>> historical community?How odd..
>>> Well?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> The more aggressive one side gets, the less credibility they have 
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> me. Probably true for other people also.
>>>>> How much credibility does a person who makes aggressive homophobic
>>>>> statements like "pioofters should be fucked and then burned" have with
>>>>> you?
>>>> You sound like a zionazi homophobic. Try to get help.
>>> Yet I *condemn* homophobia, no matter where it comes from. You ,.on
>>> the other hand, do not.
>>>
>>> This would appear to make you the homophobe, my friend.
>>>
>>> Have a nice "poofters should be fucked and then burned" hate filled
>>> dishonest homophobic day!
>> You need to get help to control your homophobic fantasises.
> 
> They're Cramer's fantasies, and you know it.
> 
> Your ability to ignore the truth and continue to bleat out lies is 
> astonishing.
> 
> Sara
> 

What truth Sara Shitman?
Using drawings of mass-graves for trying to prove the Holohoax?
How low you Jews getting!
JS



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philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
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>> On Aug 13, 11:14 pm,  wrote:
>>> "TurkeyBoy"  wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:1187016042.878190.209480@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> 
>>>> On Aug 13, 3:36 pm, Philip Mathews 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> On Aug 13, 2:15 am, TurkeyBoy  wrote:
>>>>>> On Aug 13, 4:24 am, raglan...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>> On Aug 12, 7:07 pm, Protagonist  wrote:
>>>>>>>> Here is the proof for the Holohoax! Haha!
>>>>>>>> Drawings!http://www.infocenters.co.il/gfh_multimedia/GFH/0000002085/0000002085......
>>>>>>>> JS
>>>>>>> Why do you try to deny the Holocaust? Even if these 
>>>>>>> "pictures"
>>>>>>> (very
>>>>>>> poor reproduction) or drawings aren't
>>>>>>> real the Holocaust definitely happened and people were put 
>>>>>>> into
>>>>>>> dug
>>>>>>> pits such as these. There is so much evidence
>>>>>>> for the Holocaust that no one author could indepthly address 
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>> and we still don't know the all of it. If you
>>>>>>> don't believe me ask McVey, Holman or Matthews.
>>>>>>> Michael Ragland
>>>>>> I do not know who is right and who is wrong about this
>>>>>> "holocaust"
>>>>>> business but I know that too much is made of it and the
>>>>>> holohustlering
>>>>>> is getting very tiresome.
>>>>> What is getting tiresome is the lies of deniers about proven
>>>>> history.
>>>> It is so difficult to decide just what is what.
>>> Only for someone who is ignorant of the history and doesn't think 
>>> very
>>> well.
> 
>> Do you mean the history of Stalin's Jewish Communists?
> 
> The communists were overwhelmingly non Jewish, stupid.
> 
>>>> When I read some of Protagonist's posts, I am inclined to believe
>>>> that
>>>> maybe there is something to all that holohustlering stuff.
>>>> When I read posts from Salzman, b'luto, McVay, Duffer and others
>>>> like
>>>> you, I am inclined to believe that is just a lot of boloney.
>>> Then you either stupid or just a denier pretending to be confused.
>> Are you stupid or denier pretending to be confused about the 
>> horrible
>> things Stalin's Jewish Communists did?
> 
> So you're so stupid as to peddle this lie as well.
> 
> You better hope the Nazis never take power here. You'd be gassed as a 
> life unworthy of living.

Sure idiot! You maybe gassed, but you have no excuse for it what so ever.

> 
> --
> Philip Mathews
> 
> 

Reason your tribe Da Jews got locked up into labor camps, because trying 
to over throw the German government, declaring war on it, collaborating 
with the Soviets, assassinating German and other foreign  leaders, 
forming resistance and partisan groups, murdering people etc...!
Your tribe was a grave security problem in hole Europe.
JS



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Sara Salzman wrote:
> In article <1187045345.440916.93270@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
>  TurkeyBoy  wrote:
> 
>> On Aug 13, 11:30 pm, Sara Salzman  wrote:
>>> In article <1187016042.878190.209...@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  TurkeyBoy  wrote:
>>>> On Aug 13, 3:36 pm, Philip Mathews  wrote:
>>>>> On Aug 13, 2:15 am, TurkeyBoy  wrote:
>>>>>> On Aug 13, 4:24 am, raglan...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>> On Aug 12, 7:07 pm, Protagonist  wrote:
>>>>>>>> Here is the proof for the Holohoax! Haha!
>>>>>>>> Drawings!http://www.infocenters.co.il/gfh_multimedia/GFH/000000208
>>>>>>>> 5/00
>>>>>>>> 00002085......
>>>>>>>> JS
>>>>>>> Why do you try to deny the Holocaust? Even if these "pictures" 
>>>>>>> (very
>>>>>>> poor reproduction) or drawings aren't
>>>>>>> real the Holocaust definitely happened and people were put into dug
>>>>>>> pits such as these. There is so much evidence
>>>>>>> for the Holocaust that no one author could indepthly address it all
>>>>>>> and we still don't know the all of it. If you
>>>>>>> don't believe me ask McVey, Holman or Matthews.
>>>>>>> Michael Ragland
>>>>>> I do not know who is right and who is wrong about this "holocaust"
>>>>>> business but I know that too much is made of it and the 
>>>>>> holohustlering
>>>>>> is getting very tiresome.
>>>>> What is getting tiresome is the lies of deniers about proven history.
>>>> It is so difficult to decide just what is what.
>>>> When I read some of Protagonist's posts, I am inclined to believe that
>>>> maybe there is something to all that holohustlering stuff.
>>>> When I read posts from Salzman, b'luto, McVay, Duffer and others like
>>>> you, I am inclined to believe that is just a lot of boloney.
>>>> The more aggressive one side gets, the less credibility they have with
>>>> me. Probably true for other people also.
>>>>> And if your tired of this "business" I suggest you leave this group.
>>>> Do you want me to leave without first finding out how proven is your
>>>> "proven history"?
>>>> Have a nice pro-holo or anti-holo day!
>>> But you're not interested in "finding out" anything. You're only
>>> interested in calling everyone who disagrees with you a "Zionazi," and
>>> then getting upset when people don't like it.
>> Why don't you like it?
> 
> Because: 
> a) there's no such thing as a "zionazi;"
> b) there is no one posting to this newsgroup who fits the description of 
> your imaginary "zionazis;"
> c) you spend hundreds of posts making statements of "fact" that are 
> proven lies, and even when those lies are pointed out to you, you 
> continue to make the same statements;

Aperantly, your Jewish facts all turn out to be lies or half truth.
You have nothing Sara Shitman!
There are only the facts presented by Jews, most are circumstantial 
evidences, falls, doctored photos, can not or not allowed to be 
investigated.
If any one raise question against or try to investigate it labeled as Nazi!
JS

   d) you kowtow to "Cramer," one of the most foul-mouthed and vile pieces
> of work ever to grace this newsgroup;
> e) you attack other people for "homophobia" when they point out 
> "Cramer's" statements about gays yet refuse to comment on "Cramer's" 
> attack on gays;
> f) you get all whiny if someone insults you, yet don't seem to mind that 
> "Cramer" refers to people as "c*nts," "fat slag," "hog gal," and other 
> invectives in fact you have defended him for it;
> g) you're a self-righteous, holier-than-thou hypocrite;
> 
> I could go on, but that should probably suffice for a start. Now go 
> ahead and call me a "zionazi," even though you have been told hundreds 
> of times that I am not a Zionist, nor do I support Israel's position viz 
> the Palestinians. Or go ahead and tell me how "hate-filled" I am, even 
> though I am merely responding to your question -- and rather politely, I 
> might add.
> 
>>> That's why I suggested you start your own newsgroup, where everyone can
>>> complain about meat-eaters, Zionazis, and all the other bogeymen of your
>>> world.
>> Have a nice zionazi day!
> 
> See? You cannot stop yourself from it. No one cares whether you "find 
> out" anything about the Holocaust because you've made it clear that 
> you've already made your mind up about it. The rest is smoke. No one 
> here other than Cramer gives a rat's ass about your opinions or beliefs, 
> and certainly no one is going to try and "convince" you of anything. 
> 
> Start your own newsgroup, where you can spout your lies unchallenged. I 
> dare you.
> 
> Sara
> 


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Philip Mathews wrote:
> On Aug 12, 10:55 pm, Protagonist  wrote:
>> raglan...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Aug 12, 7:07 pm, Protagonist  wrote:
>>>> Here is the proof for the Holohoax! Haha!
>>>> Drawings!http://www.infocenters.co.il/gfh_multimedia/GFH/0000002085/0000002085......
>>>> JS
>>> Why do you try to deny the Holocaust? Even if these "pictures" (very
>>> poor reproduction) or drawings aren't
>>> real the Holocaust definitely happened and people were put into dug
>>> pits such as these. There is so much evidence
>>> for the Holocaust that no one author could indepthly address it all
>>> and we still don't know the all of it. If you
>>> don't believe me ask McVey, Holman or Matthews.
>>> Michael Ragland
>> Are you talking about fake evidences to cover up your Holohoax lies?
>> Problem with the Holocau$t, there are no evidences.
> 
> Liar.
> 
> The fact that there is evidence was demonstrated yesterday by the
> thread you ran from on Mass Graves.
> 
> Other than stupidly confusing black and white photos with drawings,
> you weren't able to address any of the lengthy list of pieces of
> evidence.

They were drawings moron, any one can see it.
Also, don't post pictures of mass-graves of typhus victims any more as 
proof for the Holohox. They are lies.
JS



> 
> History will never be threatened by something as abjectly stupid as
> you.
> 
> --
> Philip Mathews
> 
> 


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William Daffer wrote:
> "snow"  writes:
> 
>> "Philip Mathews"  wrote in message
>> news:1186927920.803541.150250@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>> Nazi Shooting squads shot well over 1 million Jews in the Soviet Union
>>> and Eastern Europe. They buried the bodies in literally thousands of
>>> mass graves all over the region. What follows is a small collection of
>>> evidence, mostly visual, for these shootings, as well as the
>>> highlights of a report on the archeological study of mass graves at
>>> the Belzec extermination camp.
>>>
>>>
>>> A Report by United States Commission for the Preservation of America's
>>> Heritage Abroad. A list of approximately 500 mass grave sites in the
>>> Ukraine alone begins on page 142.
>>> http://www.heritageabroad.gov/reports/doc/survey_ukraine_2005.pdf
>>>
>>> A short film of an Einsatzgruppen shooting in Liepaja
>>> http://www1.ushmm.org/wlc/media_fi.php?lang=en&ModuleId=10005130&Media
>>> Id=183
>>>
>>
>> The photos that show an American soldier looking at the graves are
>> photo operation. Can't say that the bodies are staged but the photo op
>> was surely a planed event.
> 
>   Surely you jest? 
> 
>   Are you so ignorant of this history that you can't even recognize
>   the movies made by the Nazis!
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> Is there a way to take a exhumed body and test it if the death was
>> actually by gassing? or Typhus?  Do they even do that?
> 
>   Why would you ask such a stupid question while watching a movie of
>   the Nazis shooting Jews?
> 
> whd
> 

Where does it say, they are shooting Jews?
Where is the proof for that?
Do you have any movies, Soviets executing people?
No! Because they were the victors of the war and they don't allow such 
thing into enemy hands.
60 million people died in WW2 and not in natural causes.
You only presenting one sided stories, idiot!
JS



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philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
> news:AvGdnSWKgosW4yLbnZ2dnUVZ_s7inZ2d@comcast.com...
>> Richard Warren wrote:
>>>  wrote in message 
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>>>>>>>> "Sara Salzman"  wrote in message 
>>>>>>>> news:catamont-47409A.13594512082007@news-40.giganews.com...
>>>>>>>>> In article ,
>>>>>>>>> Protagonist  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> "snow"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:BhIvi.689$i75.300@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net...
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Philip Mathews"  wrote in 
>>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:1186927920.803541.150250@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nazi Shooting squads shot well over 1 million Jews in the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Soviet
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Union
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Eastern Europe. They buried the bodies in literally 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> thousands
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> mass graves all over the region. What follows is a small 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> collection
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence, mostly visual, for these shootings, as well as 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> highlights of a report on the archeological study of mass 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> graves at
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Belzec extermination camp.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> A Report by United States Commission for the Preservation 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> America's
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Heritage Abroad. A list of approximately 500 mass grave 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sites in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ukraine alone begins on page 142.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.heritageabroad.gov/reports/doc/survey_ukraine_2005.pdf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> A short film of an Einsatzgruppen shooting in Liepaja
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www1.ushmm.org/wlc/media_fi.php?lang=en&ModuleId=10005130&Media
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Id=183
>>>>>>>>>>>> The photos that show an American soldier looking at the 
>>>>>>>>>>>> graves are
>>>>>>>>>>>> photo operation.
>>>>>>>>>>> No they're not.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And if this is best you can do, perhaps you should give up 
>>>>>>>>>>> Holocaust
>>>>>>>>>>> denial.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You're pathetic at it.
>>>>>>>>>> You are a psycho PHILLIP, YOU SHOULD LIVE THIS GROUP!
>>>>>>>>>> js
>>>>>>>>> What he said, Phil, please LIVE this group! :))
>>>>>>>> Must be some current teevee expression Szaki has seen.
>>>>>>> Your books are lacking evidence,
>>>>>> How would know, you can't read.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Here we go again, Da high minded Jew!
>>>> And a poor memory to boot!
>>>>
>>>> I'm not Jewish stupid.
>>>>
>>>> And I'd say that the vast majority of living organisms on this 
>>>> planet are more intellligent than you.
> 
>>> So are the vast majority of dead ones.
> 
>> Stay on the subjects Stupid!
>> Insults don't work!
> 
> Why don't you, stupid?
> 
> Respond to the evidence. And I mean with something intelligent!
> 
> ANDRZEJ KOLA, BELZEC. THE NAZI CAMP FOR JEWS IN THE LIGHT OF
> 
> ARCHAEOLOGICAL SOURCES. Excavations 1997-1999. ISBN 83-905590-6-4.
> 
> 
> 
> The grave pit No 6 (Fig. 23)
> 
> 
> 
> That grave was found in the south-central part of ha XVI. It was 
> estimated
> 
> basing on 12 deep drills (No 388-393, 1399, 1419, 1427, 1433-1435). It 
> has a
> 
> shape of a lengthened rectangle with the size of 30,00 x 10,00 m and 
> the
> 
> depth of 4,00 m. The ashes were scattered around the grave, reaching 
> the
> 
> depth of 1,00 m, according to the drill studies. It is homogenous 
> crematory
> 
> contents. The volume of it is about 1200 m3.
> 
> 
> 
> --
> 
> Philip Mathews

Dig the fucking thing up, don't come here with drill studies idiot.
There could be dead horses in there.
You tribe afraid, eh?
JS


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Philip Mathews wrote:
> On Aug 12, 5:41 pm, Protagonist  wrote:
>> Richard Warren wrote:
>>>  wrote in message
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>>>>>>>> "Sara Salzman"  wrote in message
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>>>>>>>>> In article ,
>>>>>>>>> Protagonist  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> philipmath...@comcast.net wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> "snow"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:BhIvi.689$i75.300@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net...
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Philip Mathews"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:1186927920.803541.150250@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nazi Shooting squads shot well over 1 million Jews in the Soviet
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Union
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Eastern Europe. They buried the bodies in literally thousands
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> mass graves all over the region. What follows is a small
>>>>>>>>>>>>> collection
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence, mostly visual, for these shootings, as well as the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> highlights of a report on the archeological study of mass graves
>>>>>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Belzec extermination camp.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> A Report by United States Commission for the Preservation of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> America's
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Heritage Abroad. A list of approximately 500 mass grave sites in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ukraine alone begins on page 142.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.heritageabroad.gov/reports/doc/survey_ukraine_2005.pdf
>>>>>>>>>>>>> A short film of an Einsatzgruppen shooting in Liepaja
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www1.ushmm.org/wlc/media_fi.php?lang=en&ModuleId=10005130&Media
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Id=183
>>>>>>>>>>>> The photos that show an American soldier looking at the graves are
>>>>>>>>>>>> photo operation.
>>>>>>>>>>> No they're not.
>>>>>>>>>>> And if this is best you can do, perhaps you should give up
>>>>>>>>>>> Holocaust
>>>>>>>>>>> denial.
>>>>>>>>>>> You're pathetic at it.
>>>>>>>>>> You are a psycho PHILLIP, YOU SHOULD LIVE THIS GROUP!
>>>>>>>>>> js
>>>>>>>>> What he said, Phil, please LIVE this group! :))
>>>>>>>> Must be some current teevee expression Szaki has seen.
>>>>>>> Your books are lacking evidence,
>>>>>> How would know, you can't read.
>>>>> Here we go again, Da high minded Jew!
>>>> And a poor memory to boot!
>>>> I'm not Jewish stupid.
>>>> And I'd say that the vast majority of living organisms on this planet are
>>>> more intellligent than you.
>>>> --
>>>> Philip Mathews
>>> So are the vast majority of dead ones.
>> Stay on the subjects Stupid!
> 
> Staying on subject means more than repeating the same stupidity over
> and over again just because you have nothing to say.
> 
> You haven't addressed the evidence of mass graves presented in this
> thread.
> 
> It's time you simply conceded and moved on to a different aspect of
> denial.
> 
> --
> Philip Mathews
> 

You have nothing, no evidence.
Drawings of mass-graves.
Stay stupid with your fantasy tails of the Holohoax.
JS




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ragland31@gmail.com wrote:
> On Aug 12, 2:23 pm, Protagonist  wrote:
>> snow wrote:
>>> I came across this website that has some of the most terrible holocaust
>>> videos. I was shocked at what I have seen. Apparently even you tube
>>> couldn't handle all the terror and put a ban on these videos.
>>> http://www.onethirdoftheholocaust.com/is the website.
>> Oh yes, da water well.
>> Dead Jew contaminated water is very tasty, I guess!
>> Maybe that's what killed them, instead of the Germans!
>> JS
> 
> Both you and Daniel together have one-third of a brain. Or if it is
> a full brain for both of you it is greatly limited.
> 
> Michael Ragland
> 

How would you know pig brain?
Are you a brain expert?
JS


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William Daffer wrote:
> "snow"  writes:
> 
>> I came across this website that has some of the most terrible
>> holocaust videos. I was shocked at what I have seen. Apparently even
>> you tube couldn't handle all the terror and put a ban on these
>> videos. http://www.onethirdoftheholocaust.com/ is the website.
> 
>   LOL! the first one starts with a whole raft of anti-semitica.
> 
>   No wonder youtube took it down, but it's just the sort of thing we
>   would expect you would believe whole-heartedly.
> 
>   What a nutjob.
> 
> whd

Youtube is being sued left and right.
I'm sure ADL is not resting, seeing such a thing!
JS


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William Daffer wrote:
> Protagonist  writes:
> 
>> William Daffer wrote:
>>> "snow"  writes:
>>>
>>>> "Philip Mathews"  wrote in message
>>>> news:1186927920.803541.150250@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>>>> Nazi Shooting squads shot well over 1 million Jews in the Soviet Union
>>>>> and Eastern Europe. They buried the bodies in literally thousands of
>>>>> mass graves all over the region. What follows is a small collection of
>>>>> evidence, mostly visual, for these shootings, as well as the
>>>>> highlights of a report on the archeological study of mass graves at
>>>>> the Belzec extermination camp.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> A Report by United States Commission for the Preservation of America's
>>>>> Heritage Abroad. A list of approximately 500 mass grave sites in the
>>>>> Ukraine alone begins on page 142.
>>>>> http://www.heritageabroad.gov/reports/doc/survey_ukraine_2005.pdf
>>>>>
>>>>> A short film of an Einsatzgruppen shooting in Liepaja
>>>>> http://www1.ushmm.org/wlc/media_fi.php?lang=en&ModuleId=10005130&Media
>>>>> Id=183
>>>>>
>>>> The photos that show an American soldier looking at the graves are
>>>> photo operation. Can't say that the bodies are staged but the photo op
>>>> was surely a planed event.
>>>   Surely you jest?   Are you so ignorant of this history that you
>>> can't even recognize
>>>   the movies made by the Nazis!
>>>
>>>> Is there a way to take a exhumed body and test it if the death was
>>>> actually by gassing? or Typhus?  Do they even do that?
>>>   Why would you ask such a stupid question while watching a movie of
>>>   the Nazis shooting Jews?
>>> whd
>>>
>> Where does it say, they are shooting Jews?
> 
>   Ah, well that's the bit of knowledge that one who actually knew what
>   the historical account said would have.
> 
>   That you ask the question shows that you're not one of those people
>  
>   [snip more stupid question from an ignoramus]
> 
> whd

You Jews present any attrocities from WW2, as it happend to Jews!
That's why you are a lier.
JS


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SsGYHNfA1w


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Here we go Jews, WAR is WAR, every one suffers!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qy5Gtp-_14w&mode=related&search=

JS


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Sara Salzman wrote:
> In article ,
>  Protagonist  wrote:
> 
>> Sara Salzman wrote:
>>> In article <1187045345.440916.93270@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
>>>  TurkeyBoy  wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Aug 13, 11:30 pm, Sara Salzman  wrote:
>>>>> In article <1187016042.878190.209...@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  TurkeyBoy  wrote:
>>>>>> On Aug 13, 3:36 pm, Philip Mathews  wrote:
>>>>>>> On Aug 13, 2:15 am, TurkeyBoy  wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Aug 13, 4:24 am, raglan...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Aug 12, 7:07 pm, Protagonist  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Here is the proof for the Holohoax! Haha!
>>>>>>>>>> Drawings!http://www.infocenters.co.il/gfh_multimedia/GFH/000000208
>>>>>>>>>> 5/00
>>>>>>>>>> 00002085......
>>>>>>>>>> JS
>>>>>>>>> Why do you try to deny the Holocaust? Even if these "pictures" 
>>>>>>>>> (very
>>>>>>>>> poor reproduction) or drawings aren't
>>>>>>>>> real the Holocaust definitely happened and people were put into dug
>>>>>>>>> pits such as these. There is so much evidence
>>>>>>>>> for the Holocaust that no one author could indepthly address it all
>>>>>>>>> and we still don't know the all of it. If you
>>>>>>>>> don't believe me ask McVey, Holman or Matthews.
>>>>>>>>> Michael Ragland
>>>>>>>> I do not know who is right and who is wrong about this "holocaust"
>>>>>>>> business but I know that too much is made of it and the 
>>>>>>>> holohustlering
>>>>>>>> is getting very tiresome.
>>>>>>> What is getting tiresome is the lies of deniers about proven history.
>>>>>> It is so difficult to decide just what is what.
>>>>>> When I read some of Protagonist's posts, I am inclined to believe that
>>>>>> maybe there is something to all that holohustlering stuff.
>>>>>> When I read posts from Salzman, b'luto, McVay, Duffer and others like
>>>>>> you, I am inclined to believe that is just a lot of boloney.
>>>>>> The more aggressive one side gets, the less credibility they have with
>>>>>> me. Probably true for other people also.
>>>>>>> And if your tired of this "business" I suggest you leave this group.
>>>>>> Do you want me to leave without first finding out how proven is your
>>>>>> "proven history"?
>>>>>> Have a nice pro-holo or anti-holo day!
>>>>> But you're not interested in "finding out" anything. You're only
>>>>> interested in calling everyone who disagrees with you a "Zionazi," and
>>>>> then getting upset when people don't like it.
>>>> Why don't you like it?
>>> Because: 
>>> a) there's no such thing as a "zionazi;"
>>> b) there is no one posting to this newsgroup who fits the description of 
>>> your imaginary "zionazis;"
>>> c) you spend hundreds of posts making statements of "fact" that are 
>>> proven lies, and even when those lies are pointed out to you, you 
>>> continue to make the same statements;
>> Aperantly, your Jewish facts all turn out to be lies or half truth.
>> You have nothing Sara Shitman!
> 
> You can always tell the complete morons here, they're the ones who can't 
> even pretend to have a modicum of respect for anyone and immediately 
> resort to infantile name-calling.
> 
> Even in the worst days of Joe Bellinger and Pat Blakely, I always have 
> them the courtesy of referring to them as "Mr. Bellinger" and "Mr. 
> Blakely." Why, I even refer to our dear "Mr. Cramer" with that same 
> modicum of respect, although he has never referred to me as anything but 
> "slag" or "c*nt."
> 
> It's the little babies who can't control themselves and must resort to 
> idiocies like "kiwikunt" and "McOyVey" and "faigelah" and other 
> schoolyard invectives. If they had half a brain cell, they'd be 
> embarrassed for themselves.
> 
> Sara

Keep repeating your self Sara Shitman!
Come up with some thing new, some times!
JS

> 
>> There are only the facts presented by Jews, most are circumstantial 
>> evidences, falls, doctored photos, can not or not allowed to be 
>> investigated.
>> If any one raise question against or try to investigate it labeled as Nazi!
>> JS
>>
>>    d) you kowtow to "Cramer," one of the most foul-mouthed and vile pieces
>>> of work ever to grace this newsgroup;
>>> e) you attack other people for "homophobia" when they point out 
>>> "Cramer's" statements about gays yet refuse to comment on "Cramer's" 
>>> attack on gays;
>>> f) you get all whiny if someone insults you, yet don't seem to mind that 
>>> "Cramer" refers to people as "c*nts," "fat slag," "hog gal," and other 
>>> invectives in fact you have defended him for it;
>>> g) you're a self-righteous, holier-than-thou hypocrite;
>>>
>>> I could go on, but that should probably suffice for a start. Now go 
>>> ahead and call me a "zionazi," even though you have been told hundreds 
>>> of times that I am not a Zionist, nor do I support Israel's position viz 
>>> the Palestinians. Or go ahead and tell me how "hate-filled" I am, even 
>>> though I am merely responding to your question -- and rather politely, I 
>>> might add.
>>>
>>>>> That's why I suggested you start your own newsgroup, where everyone can
>>>>> complain about meat-eaters, Zionazis, and all the other bogeymen of your
>>>>> world.
>>>> Have a nice zionazi day!
>>> See? You cannot stop yourself from it. No one cares whether you "find 
>>> out" anything about the Holocaust because you've made it clear that 
>>> you've already made your mind up about it. The rest is smoke. No one 
>>> here other than Cramer gives a rat's ass about your opinions or beliefs, 
>>> and certainly no one is going to try and "convince" you of anything. 
>>>
>>> Start your own newsgroup, where you can spout your lies unchallenged. I 
>>> dare you.
>>>
>>> Sara
>>>
> 


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Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
> In article ,
> Sara Salzman   wrote:
> 
> [childish claptrap flushed down the julius]
> 
>> If they had half a brain cell, they'd be 
>> embarrassed for themselves.
> 
> Bingo! What these morons fail to grasp is the damage they do
> to the "movement" every time they commit their racism to
> UseNet. The "track record" left by Leading Revisionist Scholars
> continues to expose the moral bankruptcy of Holocaust denial.
> 
> Stay in school, kids! Don't end up like Julius Szaki.
> 

You're look like a moral bankruptcy McVay, Vietnam era hippie!
Running a website loaded with lies!
I'm surprise you don't puke!
JS



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Philip Mathews wrote:
> On Aug 14, 1:25 am, Protagonist  wrote:
>> philipmath...@comcast.net wrote:
>>> "TurkeyBoy"  wrote in message
>>> news:1187045215.534856.164670@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>>> On Aug 13, 11:14 pm,  wrote:
>>>>> "TurkeyBoy"  wrote in message
>>>>> news:1187016042.878190.209480@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>> On Aug 13, 3:36 pm, Philip Mathews 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Aug 13, 2:15 am, TurkeyBoy  wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Aug 13, 4:24 am, raglan...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Aug 12, 7:07 pm, Protagonist  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Here is the proof for the Holohoax! Haha!
>>>>>>>>>> Drawings!http://www.infocenters.co.il/gfh_multimedia/GFH/0000002085/0000002085......
>>>>>>>>>> JS
>>>>>>>>> Why do you try to deny the Holocaust? Even if these
>>>>>>>>> "pictures"
>>>>>>>>> (very
>>>>>>>>> poor reproduction) or drawings aren't
>>>>>>>>> real the Holocaust definitely happened and people were put
>>>>>>>>> into
>>>>>>>>> dug
>>>>>>>>> pits such as these. There is so much evidence
>>>>>>>>> for the Holocaust that no one author could indepthly address
>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>> and we still don't know the all of it. If you
>>>>>>>>> don't believe me ask McVey, Holman or Matthews.
>>>>>>>>> Michael Ragland
>>>>>>>> I do not know who is right and who is wrong about this
>>>>>>>> "holocaust"
>>>>>>>> business but I know that too much is made of it and the
>>>>>>>> holohustlering
>>>>>>>> is getting very tiresome.
>>>>>>> What is getting tiresome is the lies of deniers about proven
>>>>>>> history.
>>>>>> It is so difficult to decide just what is what.
>>>>> Only for someone who is ignorant of the history and doesn't think
>>>>> very
>>>>> well.
>>>> Do you mean the history of Stalin's Jewish Communists?
>>> The communists were overwhelmingly non Jewish, stupid.
>>>>>> When I read some of Protagonist's posts, I am inclined to believe
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> maybe there is something to all that holohustlering stuff.
>>>>>> When I read posts from Salzman, b'luto, McVay, Duffer and others
>>>>>> like
>>>>>> you, I am inclined to believe that is just a lot of boloney.
>>>>> Then you either stupid or just a denier pretending to be confused.
>>>> Are you stupid or denier pretending to be confused about the
>>>> horrible
>>>> things Stalin's Jewish Communists did?
>>> So you're so stupid as to peddle this lie as well.
>>> You better hope the Nazis never take power here. You'd be gassed as a
>>> life unworthy of living.
>> Sure idiot! You maybe gassed, but you have no excuse for it what so ever.
> 
> Try English, little boy.
> 
>> Reason your tribe Da Jews got locked up into labor camps,
> 
> I'm not Jewish, stupid.
> 
>> because trying
>> to over throw the German government, declaring war on it,
> 
> No they didn't, stupid.
> 
> Read some history and clean up those disgusting zits.
> 
> --
> Philip Mathews
> 
You read some history, retard!
First you declared war on Germany in 1933, than your kind assassinated 
high ranking gov, officials, when Jews were only 1% of the German 
population.
Jewish arrogance has no limitation, than your tribe complaining when 
they get burned.
Joe Kennedy said: Jews deserved what they got!
JS


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Sara Salzman wrote:
> In article <7cOdna-ArZxxXVzbnZ2dnUVZ_sHinZ2d@comcast.com>,
>  Protagonist  wrote:
> 
>> Sara Salzman wrote:
>>> In article ,
>>>  Protagonist  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sara Salzman wrote:
>>>>> In article <1187045345.440916.93270@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
>>>>>  TurkeyBoy  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Aug 13, 11:30 pm, Sara Salzman  wrote:
>>>>>>> In article <1187016042.878190.209...@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  TurkeyBoy  wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Aug 13, 3:36 pm, Philip Mathews  wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Aug 13, 2:15 am, TurkeyBoy  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 13, 4:24 am, raglan...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 12, 7:07 pm, Protagonist  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Here is the proof for the Holohoax! Haha!
>>>>>>>>>>>> Drawings!http://www.infocenters.co.il/gfh_multimedia/GFH/000000208
>>>>>>>>>>>> 5/00
>>>>>>>>>>>> 00002085......
>>>>>>>>>>>> JS
>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you try to deny the Holocaust? Even if these "pictures" 
>>>>>>>>>>> (very
>>>>>>>>>>> poor reproduction) or drawings aren't
>>>>>>>>>>> real the Holocaust definitely happened and people were put into dug
>>>>>>>>>>> pits such as these. There is so much evidence
>>>>>>>>>>> for the Holocaust that no one author could indepthly address it all
>>>>>>>>>>> and we still don't know the all of it. If you
>>>>>>>>>>> don't believe me ask McVey, Holman or Matthews.
>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Ragland
>>>>>>>>>> I do not know who is right and who is wrong about this "holocaust"
>>>>>>>>>> business but I know that too much is made of it and the 
>>>>>>>>>> holohustlering
>>>>>>>>>> is getting very tiresome.
>>>>>>>>> What is getting tiresome is the lies of deniers about proven history.
>>>>>>>> It is so difficult to decide just what is what.
>>>>>>>> When I read some of Protagonist's posts, I am inclined to believe that
>>>>>>>> maybe there is something to all that holohustlering stuff.
>>>>>>>> When I read posts from Salzman, b'luto, McVay, Duffer and others like
>>>>>>>> you, I am inclined to believe that is just a lot of boloney.
>>>>>>>> The more aggressive one side gets, the less credibility they have with
>>>>>>>> me. Probably true for other people also.
>>>>>>>>> And if your tired of this "business" I suggest you leave this group.
>>>>>>>> Do you want me to leave without first finding out how proven is your
>>>>>>>> "proven history"?
>>>>>>>> Have a nice pro-holo or anti-holo day!
>>>>>>> But you're not interested in "finding out" anything. You're only
>>>>>>> interested in calling everyone who disagrees with you a "Zionazi," and
>>>>>>> then getting upset when people don't like it.
>>>>>> Why don't you like it?
>>>>> Because: 
>>>>> a) there's no such thing as a "zionazi;"
>>>>> b) there is no one posting to this newsgroup who fits the description of 
>>>>> your imaginary "zionazis;"
>>>>> c) you spend hundreds of posts making statements of "fact" that are 
>>>>> proven lies, and even when those lies are pointed out to you, you 
>>>>> continue to make the same statements;
>>>> Aperantly, your Jewish facts all turn out to be lies or half truth.
>>>> You have nothing Sara Shitman!
>>> You can always tell the complete morons here, they're the ones who can't 
>>> even pretend to have a modicum of respect for anyone and immediately 
>>> resort to infantile name-calling.
>>>
>>> Even in the worst days of Joe Bellinger and Pat Blakely, I always have 
>>> them the courtesy of referring to them as "Mr. Bellinger" and "Mr. 
>>> Blakely." Why, I even refer to our dear "Mr. Cramer" with that same 
>>> modicum of respect, although he has never referred to me as anything but 
>>> "slag" or "c*nt."
>>>
>>> It's the little babies who can't control themselves and must resort to 
>>> idiocies like "kiwikunt" and "McOyVey" and "faigelah" and other 
>>> schoolyard invectives. If they had half a brain cell, they'd be 
>>> embarrassed for themselves.
>>>
>>> Sara
>> Keep repeating your self Sara Shitman!
> 
> You can always tell the complete morons here, they're the ones who can't 
> even pretend to have a modicum of respect for anyone and immediately 
> resort to infantile name-calling.
>  
> Even in the worst days of Joe Bellinger and Pat Blakely, I always have 
> them the courtesy of referring to them as "Mr. Bellinger" and "Mr. 
> Blakely." Why, I even refer to our dear "Mr. Cramer" with that same 
> modicum of respect, although he has never referred to me as anything but 
> "slag" or "c*nt."
>  
> It's the little babies who can't control themselves and must resort to 
> idiocies like "kiwikunt" and "McOyVey" and "faigelah" and other 
> schoolyard invectives. If they had half a brain cell, they'd be 
> embarrassed for themselves.
> 
>> Come up with some thing new, some times!
>> JS
> 
> You're not worth it, Mr. Szaki. Someone who actually thinks calling 
> someone else "Shitman" is about as infantile as can be. And as an 
> infant, you deserve nothing more.
> 

You don't deserve respect Sara Shitman, because you are supporting lies 
and you are very arrogant about it.
You and your retard friend Micki Mouse McVay.
JS


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Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
> In article ,
> Leading Revisionist Scholar Julius Szaki, aka Protagonist,
> a Towering Intellectual Beacon of Holocaust Denial,   wrote:
> 
> [nothing worth repeating]
> 
> Question 1:
> -----------
> 
> On June 13, 2005, you wrote:
> 
> "Although a final figure of Jews killed by the Einsatzgruppen has never been 
>  presented, the most extreme estimates by Yad Vashem and others say that 
>  between 900,000 and 1.25 million people - Jews and others - were killed by 
>  the special action units."
> 
> "This figure is without doubt a gross exaggeration, considering that the 
>  Einsatzgruppen never had more than 3,000 men in total serving in its units 
>  at any one time, and furthermore spent most of their time fighting 
>  partisans." 
> 
> "But even if this grossly exaggerated figure is accurate - and all evidence 
>  is that it is not - this grandiose figure is still nowhere near the 5 
>  million Jews the Nazis estimated were in the Soviet Union's territory." 
> 
> (Szaki, UseNet alt.revisionism, Message ID 
>  6oadnbn35bIiozDfRVn-1Q@comcast.com)
> 
> Please document your claim that the figure 1.2 million is a gross exaggeration,
> and then produce the "all evidence" mentioned in your third paragraph.
> 
> Include the name of publications containing this "all evidence,", the pages
> upon which this "all evidence" can be found, the publisher and publication
> date, and the author's name.
> 
> Question 2:
> -----------
> 
> On June 15, 2005, in response to the publication of document PS-2615 (First
> Nurnberg Tribunal), in which Wilhelm Hoettl explained that he had been
> told that 6 million Jews had died, you wrote:
> 
> "Sworn testimony, after torture! Nice try, moron!" (Szaki. UseNet alt.revisionism,
> Message ID X46dneLExIw3ajLfRVn-sg@comcast.com)
> 
> Please provide evidence that Herr Hoettl was, in fact, tortured.
> 
> Question 3:
> -----------
> 
> In article , on June 18, 2005, you
> asserted that Sgt. Ragene Farris, who served in the 329th Medical Battalion and
> described the horrors American troops had to face during the liberation of 
> the "Boelcke Kazerne" in Nordhausen concentration camp provided a fictional
> account. You wrote:
> 
> "Thank you JJ, this story of courage of Sergeant Ragene Farris really made me
> cry, very nice, heart breaking fictional tale."
> 
> Please provide documentary evidence which proves that condtions were not
> as Sgt. Farris described them.
> 
> Question 4:
> -----------
> On August 19, 2005, in article , you wrote:
> 
> "Why don't you talk about your stupid, boring, Nizkor website, all the
> cut/paste, fake stories and pictures."
> 
> Which pictures and stories, precisely, are "fake?" Please provide your evidence
> that specific pictures and/or stories are fake.
> 
> Question 5:
> -----------
> 
> On September 24th, 2005, you wrote:
> 
> In article ,
> szaki   wrote:
> 
>>> http://www2.ca.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/imt/nca/ftp.py?imt/nca/nca-05/nca-05-2615-ps
>  
>> *You're using Nizkor fake information, Brum-Brum-Bruno!
> 
> Please produce documentary evidence that Hoettl's sworn statement, which
> constituted document 2615-PS for the First Nurnberg Tribunal, is "fake 
> information."
> 
> Please demonstrate, again with documentary evidence, that Nizkor's copy of
> this document is not an textually exact rendering of 2615-PS.
> 
> Question 6:
> -----------
> 
> On October 1, 2005, you wrote the following of the statement of Dr. Sigmund Rascher:
> 
> In article ,
> szaki   wrote:
>> Ron Jacobson wrote:
>>> http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.py?people/r/rascher.sigmund//images/Rascher1.jpg
>>> http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.py?people/r/rascher.sigmund//images/Rascher2.jpg
> 
> [...]
>  
>> *Nice forgeries, like the 4 million death at Auschwitz and any thing 
>> else about the Holocau$t!
> 
> Please produce documented evidence that the Rascher statement, as shown on 
> two Nizkor Project images, are forgeries.
> 
> Please list the Western historians who cited the 4-Million figure as valid.
> 
> Question 7
> ----------
> 
> On October 2, 2005, in article ,
> you made the following claim:
> 
> "First, EG report was way inflated about numbers executed. EG all ways
> reported at least twice as much back to Germany, to make them self look
> good"
> 
> Please produce documented evidence that the Einsatzgruppen reports used inflated numbers.
> Cite the name of the report in question, and document your claim with respect to that
> report.
> 
> Question 8
> ----------
> 
> On October 23, 2005, in article ,
> you wrote:
> 
>> Running a website for profit, so called Nizkor, cashing in on other 
>> people misfortune and misery!
> 
> Please present evidence that Nizkor is run for a profit. 
> 

There is no evidence for your bull shit, you only showing Jewish claims.
You count the same dead 100 times and sue for compensation.
You Jews don't fit into any where, weather Germany, Soviets or the M-East!
Trouble makers, that's why every one kicks you out, any where in the world.
JS




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ragland31@gmail.com wrote:
> On Aug 14, 3:44 pm, LIBERATOR  wrote:
>> As I can see by the link you gave mehttp://www.adolfthegreat.com/Trails-Life/chancellor-maxi.html
>> in response to my question about plebescites, it's clear he was not a
>> ruler, nor a dictator. Rival political parties still existed, and he
>> did not fully cease the Communist party, and there was even a Jewish
>> newspaper that was anti-Hitler still being allowed to publish by
>> Hitler, so clearly, he couldn't have been a dictator. So I suspect
>> you're testing me and my knowledge? The Jewish newspaper was called:
>> "Judisches Nachrichtenblatt"http://www.csulb.edu/library/subj/u.s._history_newspapers.html,
>> not only does it show that political rivalry was allowed, but it also
>> shows that Jews were not all in camps, as Michael Walsh indicated that
>> many Jews were living freely in Germany under Hitlers reign, and
>> happy, as well as the large numerical amount in the military, who were
>> openly Jewish and free to be - thus there is nothing that anyone
>> should believe about Hitler murdering Jews because they were Jewish.
>>
>> He liked many of them and had good relations with them. The holocaust
>> is the stratagem the Jews who are the international bankers use to
>> ward off investigating Hitlers great works who benefitted all, namely
>> eliminating debt-finance, because the subversive global effort of
>> Communism which is Jewish created and Jewish schemed, requires debt-
>> finance as created by Jew Paul Warburg who drafted the USA "Federal
>> Reserve Act of 1913" - clearly it proves a Jewish conspiracy is
>> happening in the USA. Combine that with Ayn Rand statement that NY
>> City was totally under control of Communist subversives in 1934 in her
>> book to warn us about Communism "We The Living", it shows that Jews
>> are the Communists, and they do it by creating scarcity, poverty,
>> unemployment, homelessness, by the use of debt-finance.
>>
>> No better evidence could be available pertinent to the Jews being
>> filthy criminals than Paul Warburg crafting the Federal Reserve Act of
>> 1913, which is the cause of all problems and suffering in the USA. The
>> problems are intentional, by the intentional system of debt-finance
>> which clearly creates deficits and allows those that control the
>> system create shortages of cash in relation to creating large amounts
>> of debt, which always ends up stacked on the population - common
>> workers. Paul Warburg was Jewish, and President Wilson was completely
>> controlled by Jews, who intentionally created "the great depression"
>> by perpetuating mass debt but restricting the cash far less than what
>> the debt was, so a depression was the result purely intentional. The
>> result is a living state of Communism. Please comment on anything you
>> feel I'm lacking depth on John, you always know more than me regarding
>> Hitler. Hitler stopped the entire cycle of debt outweighing cash
>> available to meet the debt, and that's why they made up the holocaust
>> - so no one ever repeats Hitlers eliminating debt-finance. You agree?
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Webmaster
>> To: "Mark Zahn"
>> Subject: Re: Plebiscites
>> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 15:15:32 +0200
>>
>> Hi Mark,
>>
>> Try here:http://www.adolfthegreat.com/Trails-Life/chancellor-maxi.html
>> I do not at the moment know what a citizen needed to do to initiate a
>> plebiscite. Those I know of were initiated by Hitler. Because a
>> benevolent dictatorship has been proved to be the best form of
>> government, (until the dictator dies, of course, when it becomes
>> problematical) I am not particularly concerned whether the citizens
>> even had such a right. Democracy, or mob rule, is not something I
>> respect.
>>
>> None of this proves that Hitler wasn't a dictator. Hitler WAS a
>> dictator, although he complained that Roosevelt had far more
>> dictatorial power than he did. The question should be: did he use his
>> power to benefit his people or to harm them. In that sense the
>> plebescites tell the full story.
>>
>> Regards,
>> John- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
> 
> dum shit cut
> 
> Yeah the Jews were free and happy in Germany during Hitler. They
> appeciated having to wear the Star of David which marked them. They
> appreciated the pogroms such
> as Kristallknacht; the Nuremberg Blood Laws segregating and
> discriminating against Jews. Remaining German Jews were sent off to
> the concentration/extirmination camps. They
> loved it so much that Albert Einstein left before they could imprison/
> kill him; they ransacked
> his house. And Einstein was so appreciative of the Germans did to the
> Jews that until the
> end of his life he refused to have to do anything publicly with post-
> War Germany, including
> joining their peace society.
> 
> You are dum as shit LIBERATOR.
> 
> Michael Ragland
> 

They had plenty of time to leave, but they didn't.
Jews of the World declared war on Germany in 1933!
What do you think, US would do if some other tribe would do the same and 
hurt the economy?
Even today, Jews moving back to Germany or Europe by the thousands, they 
don't like in Israel!
Maybe you should move to Israel, if you LOVE them so much!
JS



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Michael Price wrote:
> On Aug 15, 10:46 am, Protagonist  wrote:
>> raglan...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Aug 14, 3:44 pm, LIBERATOR  wrote:
>>>> As I can see by the link you gave mehttp://www.adolfthegreat.com/Trails-Life/chancellor-maxi.html
>>>> in response to my question about plebescites, it's clear he was not a
>>>> ruler, nor a dictator. Rival political parties still existed, and he
>>>> did not fully cease the Communist party, and there was even a Jewish
>>>> newspaper that was anti-Hitler still being allowed to publish by
>>>> Hitler, so clearly, he couldn't have been a dictator. So I suspect
>>>> you're testing me and my knowledge? The Jewish newspaper was called:
>>>> "Judisches Nachrichtenblatt"http://www.csulb.edu/library/subj/u.s._history_newspapers.html,
>>>> not only does it show that political rivalry was allowed, but it also
>>>> shows that Jews were not all in camps, as Michael Walsh indicated that
>>>> many Jews were living freely in Germany under Hitlers reign, and
>>>> happy, as well as the large numerical amount in the military, who were
>>>> openly Jewish and free to be - thus there is nothing that anyone
>>>> should believe about Hitler murdering Jews because they were Jewish.
>>>> He liked many of them and had good relations with them. The holocaust
>>>> is the stratagem the Jews who are the international bankers use to
>>>> ward off investigating Hitlers great works who benefitted all, namely
>>>> eliminating debt-finance, because the subversive global effort of
>>>> Communism which is Jewish created and Jewish schemed, requires debt-
>>>> finance as created by Jew Paul Warburg who drafted the USA "Federal
>>>> Reserve Act of 1913" - clearly it proves a Jewish conspiracy is
>>>> happening in the USA. Combine that with Ayn Rand statement that NY
>>>> City was totally under control of Communist subversives in 1934 in her
>>>> book to warn us about Communism "We The Living", it shows that Jews
>>>> are the Communists, and they do it by creating scarcity, poverty,
>>>> unemployment, homelessness, by the use of debt-finance.
>>>> No better evidence could be available pertinent to the Jews being
>>>> filthy criminals than Paul Warburg crafting the Federal Reserve Act of
>>>> 1913, which is the cause of all problems and suffering in the USA. The
>>>> problems are intentional, by the intentional system of debt-finance
>>>> which clearly creates deficits and allows those that control the
>>>> system create shortages of cash in relation to creating large amounts
>>>> of debt, which always ends up stacked on the population - common
>>>> workers. Paul Warburg was Jewish, and President Wilson was completely
>>>> controlled by Jews, who intentionally created "the great depression"
>>>> by perpetuating mass debt but restricting the cash far less than what
>>>> the debt was, so a depression was the result purely intentional. The
>>>> result is a living state of Communism. Please comment on anything you
>>>> feel I'm lacking depth on John, you always know more than me regarding
>>>> Hitler. Hitler stopped the entire cycle of debt outweighing cash
>>>> available to meet the debt, and that's why they made up the holocaust
>>>> - so no one ever repeats Hitlers eliminating debt-finance. You agree?
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Webmaster
>>>> To: "Mark Zahn"
>>>> Subject: Re: Plebiscites
>>>> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 15:15:32 +0200
>>>> Hi Mark,
>>>> Try here:http://www.adolfthegreat.com/Trails-Life/chancellor-maxi.html
>>>> I do not at the moment know what a citizen needed to do to initiate a
>>>> plebiscite. Those I know of were initiated by Hitler. Because a
>>>> benevolent dictatorship has been proved to be the best form of
>>>> government, (until the dictator dies, of course, when it becomes
>>>> problematical) I am not particularly concerned whether the citizens
>>>> even had such a right. Democracy, or mob rule, is not something I
>>>> respect.
>>>> None of this proves that Hitler wasn't a dictator. Hitler WAS a
>>>> dictator, although he complained that Roosevelt had far more
>>>> dictatorial power than he did. The question should be: did he use his
>>>> power to benefit his people or to harm them. In that sense the
>>>> plebescites tell the full story.
>>>> Regards,
>>>> John- Hide quoted text -
>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>> dum shit cut
>>> Yeah the Jews were free and happy in Germany during Hitler. They
>>> appeciated having to wear the Star of David which marked them. They
>>> appreciated the pogroms such
>>> as Kristallknacht; the Nuremberg Blood Laws segregating and
>>> discriminating against Jews. Remaining German Jews were sent off to
>>> the concentration/extirmination camps. They
>>> loved it so much that Albert Einstein left before they could imprison/
>>> kill him; they ransacked
>>> his house. And Einstein was so appreciative of the Germans did to the
>>> Jews that until the
>>> end of his life he refused to have to do anything publicly with post-
>>> War Germany, including
>>> joining their peace society.
>>> You are dum as shit LIBERATOR.
>>> Michael Ragland
>> They had plenty of time to leave, but they didn't.
> 
>   On the contray, so many left that they exceeded the immigration
> quotas for
> pretty much everywhere.
> 
>> Jews of the World declared war on Germany in 1933!
> 
>   Really?  Because the "Jews of the World" had no government to
> declare war on
> anyone in '33.  

Jews united, declared an economical war on Germany, boycotting German 
products all over the world.
http://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/articles/jdecwar.html
Now you know, why they had to wear yellow stars!
Jews became enemy of the German state.
Same happened to Japanese-Americans, they were incarcerated by the US 
government, lost their citizen ship and property was auctioned off, when 
Japan declared war on the US.

In any case the Germans were the ones who attacked and
> they
> were given days to remove their forces from Poland. 

Poland mobilized forces first and had a chance to avoid war, by 
returning the Gdansk corridor to Germany.
Germany even gave Poland a piece of Slovakia, that use to belong to the 
Poles, as gesture of good will.
Germany only took half of Poland, the other half was taken by the Soviets.
In one word, Polaks screwed up, gambling too much, since England and 
France never help them.
You need to brush up on history!

  They can hardly
> blame
> people for declaring war on them when they fight an undeclared war
> against
> someone's ally.
> 
>> What do you think, US would do if some other tribe would do the same and
>> hurt the economy?
>> Even today, Jews moving back to Germany or Europe by the thousands, they
>> don't like in Israel!
> 
>   Which hardly means that they loved Germany under Hitler.

Sure they loved Germany, Jews owned 60% of the German economy!
Not bad, when only 1% were Jews of the German total population.
Under Hitler it changed of course, they were removed from the German 
economy!


> 
>> Maybe you should move to Israel, if you LOVE them so much!
>> JS
> 
>   Maybe you should take a course in elementary logic.

You are being silly guy, Jews so proud of Israel, that no one wants to 
live there.
Cursed land.
JS


>> - Show quoted text -
> 
> 


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ragland31@gmail.com wrote:
> On Aug 13, 11:26 pm, Protagonist  wrote:
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SsGYHNfA1w
> 
> What's new? The Arab world is where most of the antisemitism
> and Holocaust denial come out from; you picked your favorite
> meal JS.
> 
> Michael Ragland
> 

I didn't know Malaysia is in the Middle-East, idiot!
Guy don't even look like an Arab.
All ways knew you are blind Ragland, buy some real glasses!
JS



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Joe Bruno wrote:
> On Aug 14, 10:30 pm, raglan...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Note: May be outdated.
>>
>> The British Chamber of Commerce's Business Groups main role is to
>> create opportunities by developing and setting direction to the events
>> organised by the Chamber, mainly aimed at meeting key players, voicing
>> opinions & developing relationships.
>> - The heads of the Business Sector Groups report regularly to the
>> Chamber's Executive Committee on their progress, plans and upcoming
>> activities.
>>
>> - BCC members can belong to one or more Business Sector Groups and
>> Committees, depending on their field of particular interest.
>>
>> The Business Sector Groups of the British Chamber are:
>>
>> EDUCATION
>> ENERGY
>> FINANCE
>> HEALTHCARE
>> LEGAL
>> SECURITY
>> TRADE
>>
>> EDUCATION
>>
>> Objectives
>>
>> To promote UK advances in education and training in Mexico by
>> encouraging and developing communications between British government
>> Organisations, institutions and companies operating in Mexico;
>> identify opportunities and implement actions which would enhance the
>> exchange of ideas and trade between the two nations.
>>
>> Head of Group: Prof. Hector Tello, OBE - Harry Mazal S.A. de C.V.
>>
>> Members
>>
>> - Louise Batchelder - Commercial Section - British Embassy
>> - Teresa De Lay - British Chamber of Commerce
>> - Vicente Armendariz - British Chamber of Commerce
>> - Eric Pearse - Anglo Mexican Foundation
>> - Clive Brunton - British Council
>>
>> ENERGY
>>
>> Objectives
>>
>> Promote business opportunities in the Energy Sector, offering British
>> skills and resources. Use the group's knowledge to assist
>> Organisations (public and private) in the Energy sector. Proactively
>> seek to improve the business environment for British companies as well
>> as communicate with key influential groups and decision makers. Liaise
>> with the Embassy, Trade Partners UK and other relevant UK bodies and
>> finally, organise periodic self-financing events of interest to
>> Chamber members
>>
>> Head of Group: Lic. Stephen Smith - Transnational Technologies, S.A.
>> de C.V.
>>
>> Members
>>
>> -Chris Sladen - BP
>> -Julio Ledesma - Shell México
>> -Guillermo Loch - Nitrogeno de Cantarel
>> -Patricia Simpson - Woodmac
>> -Gifford Moody - Grupo Sentry , SA de CV
>> -Richard Drabble - Grupo Sentry , SA de CV
>> -Vicente Armendariz - British Chamber of Commerce
>> -Marcos Osorio - EPSING
>> -Carlos Berdeja - Berdeja y Butler Consultores, S. C.
>> -Teresa De Lay - British Chamber of Commerce
>> -Horacio Licon - British Embassy
>>
>>  FINANCE
>> Objectives
>>
>> Detect priorities and opportunities for UK Financial Services in
>> Mexico by meeting periodically, as a group, for discussions on the
>> general state of the Mexican Financial Services Sector. At the same
>> time, act as a source for financial services consultation, in order to
>> foster relationships with Mexican Financial Institutions (Banco de
>> México, Bancomext, Nacional Financiera, etc.) Coordinate special
>> events and create an Internet directory of Financial Service
>> providers.
>>
>> Head of Group: Lic. Antonio Mayer- Grupo Mayer, S.A.
>>
>> Members
>>
>> -Kevin  - HSBC
>> -Christian Pedemonte  - NM Rothschild México, S. A. de C. V.
>> -Richard H. Atherton  - Aon Risk Serv. Agente de Seguros y de
>> Fianzas,S.A. de C.V.
>> -Héctor M. Tello García - Harry Mazal, S.A. de C. V.
>> -Diego Folino Di Filippo - Standard Chartered Bank
>> -Alejandro Sepúlveda Ortega  - Royal & Sunalliance Seguros (México),
>> S. A. de C. V
>> -Ricardo del Río - Alexander Forbes México.
>> -Lorenzo González Bosco  - Barclays Bank PLC.
>> -Emilio Díaz Romero - Mancera, S. C. Ernst & Young
>>
>>  HEALTHCARE
>>
>> Objectives
>>
>> A key objective is to be abreast of important developments in
>> healthcare that affect British interests in Mexico by identifying both
>> public and private sector needs and propose ways in which both these
>> sectors can benefit each other. Promote trade missions and seminars,
>> in order to develop a regulatory framework with the Authorities and
>> Industry Associations. Aim to make the British Healthcare Group the
>> chosen conduit for UK & Mexican healthcare opportunities by
>> encouraging individual investors, service providers and manufacturers
>> to join the Group in order to benefit from an integrated and
>> competitive platform.
>>
>> Head of Group: Louise Batchelder -  SYNELOG MEXICO
>>
>> Members
>>
>> -Marco Botey  - Glaxo Smithkline
>> -Maite Tazón  - Astra Zeneca
>> -Roy Bateman  - Oriundo
>> -Paul Doulton  - Independent Consultant
>> -Albert Pla  - Especialistas en Esterilización y Envase
>> -Clive Cain  - Altana Pharma
>> -David Hodgson  - Innovex
>> -Jane Galton  - Private Consultant
>> -Herfried Wöss, LL.M  - Woess & Partners
>> -Kiyoshi I. Tsuru  - Bello, Gallardo, Morales y Tsuru
>> -Teresa De Lay  - British Chamber of Commerce
>> -Marcela Lopez  - British Embassy
>> -Alma Soto  - British Embassy
>>
>>  LEGAL
>>
>> Objectives
>>
>> Networking - Create a legal network focused on matters affecting the
>> members' needs and businesses, formed by member lawyers and people
>> involved in the legal areas of the member companies. Workshops -
>> Develop workshops and seminars to discuss matters involving legal
>> issues of interest to members (i.e. Trade, Customs, International
>> Treaties, Public Works Law, Foreign Investment, etc) Briefings -
>> Special events (i.e. Breakfasts, Luncheons, Seminars) in which a
>> specific topic is discussed by a guest speaker.
>>
>> Head of Group: Lic. Francisco Turueño - S.L. Sterling
>>
>> Members
>>
>> -Jorge Santistevan - Santistevan Abogados, S.C.
>> -Carlos Solano - Jáuregui, Navarrete, Nader y Rojas, S.C.
>> -Juan Carlos Garrido - Basham, Ringe y Correa, S.C.
>> -Gustavo Santillana - Santillana- Abogados, S.C.
>> -Daniel Maldonado - LexCorp Abogados, S.C.
>> -Vicente Armendariz - British Chamber of Commerce
>> -Carlos Berdeja - Berdeja y Butler Consultores, S.C.
>> -Michael Pütter - Safe Strategies, S.A. de C.V.
>> -Blanca Torres - Diageo México, S.A. DE C.V.
>> -Herfried Wöss - Wöss & Partners, S.C.
>> -Lic. Eugenia González Rivas - Goodrich, Riquelme y Asociados, S.C.
>> -Lic. Miguell Gallardo Guerra - Bello, Gallardo, Morales y Tsuru,
>> S.C.
>> -Teresa De Lay  - British Chamber of Commerce
>>
>>  SECURITY
>>
>> Objectives
>>
>> Information and Intelligence for Business decisions based on the
>> fundamental security issues of the moment, interaction between members
>> and feedback and trends e.g. legal trends. It is of the utmost
>> importance to liaise with Associations, Chambers and Authorities
>> including State Governments. Increase Group Membership to create
>> stronger lobbying capabilities. Focus on investment environment,
>> providing basic background information with respect to business risks.
>> The Group plans on having quarterly Security briefings to Chamber
>> Members to keep them posted on the group's progress and ongoing
>> activities.
>>
>> Head of Group: Mr. Phillip Grecki - HSBC
>>
>> Members
>>
>> -Marcel Krau - Control Risk
>> -Brian Weihs - Control Risk
>> -Gerardo Bravo - krollworldwide
>> -David Robillard - krollworldwide
>> -Alina Aldape - Independent Consultant
>> -Michael Putter - Safe Strategies
>> -Francisco Turueño  - S.L. Sterling
>> -Teresa De Lay - British Chamber of Commerce
>> -Andrew Morris - British Embassy
>>
>> TRADE
>>
>> Objectives
>>
>> This is the Chamber's most recently formed group. Among their primary
>> objectives we can mention: the organisation of events - small and
>> large; provision of guidance and training; as well as a constant
>> revision and communication of the changing environment for imports and
>> exports. The connection of trading partners is vital in order to
>> achieve a greater role in mission management.
>>
>> Head of Group: Mr. Kevin Ball - HSBC Group
>> Members
>>
>> - Teresa de Lay - British Chamber of Commerce
>> - Jan Van Kalmthout - Ottomotores
>> - Juan Pablo Palazuelos - Grupo Proagro
>> - Esperanza Ruiz - Standard Chartered Bank
>> - Michael Pütter - Safe Strategies
> 
> 
> Your spamming of this ng with useless information is
> beginning to rival Ben Cramer's.
> 
> 
Ragland is becoming McVay 2.
Just posting mindless things!
JS


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ragland31@gmail.com wrote:
> On Aug 14, 8:50 pm, Protagonist  wrote:
>> raglan...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Aug 13, 11:26 pm, Protagonist  wrote:
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SsGYHNfA1w
>>> What's new? The Arab world is where most of the antisemitism
>>> and Holocaust denial come out from; you picked your favorite
>>> meal JS.
>>> Michael Ragland
>> I didn't know Malaysia is in the Middle-East, idiot!
>> Guy don't even look like an Arab.
>> All ways knew you are blind Ragland, buy some real glasses!
>> JS
> 
> It's official faith is Muslim; that is what I meant by being a part
> of the Arab world.
> 
> Michael Ragland
> 

60% Muslim, 20% Buddhist, 10% Christian!
So slightly, over half of the population backs up the Muslim faith!
You should join them, looks like you are lost!
JS



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snow wrote:
> 
> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
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>> Michael Price wrote:
>>> On Aug 15, 10:46 am, Protagonist  wrote:
>>>> raglan...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> On Aug 14, 3:44 pm, LIBERATOR  wrote:
>>>>>> As I can see by the link you gave 
>>>>>> mehttp://www.adolfthegreat.com/Trails-Life/chancellor-maxi.html
>>>>>> in response to my question about plebescites, it's clear he was not a
>>>>>> ruler, nor a dictator. Rival political parties still existed, and he
>>>>>> did not fully cease the Communist party, and there was even a Jewish
>>>>>> newspaper that was anti-Hitler still being allowed to publish by
>>>>>> Hitler, so clearly, he couldn't have been a dictator. So I suspect
>>>>>> you're testing me and my knowledge? The Jewish newspaper was called:
>>>>>> "Judisches 
>>>>>> Nachrichtenblatt"http://www.csulb.edu/library/subj/u.s._history_newspapers.html, 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> not only does it show that political rivalry was allowed, but it also
>>>>>> shows that Jews were not all in camps, as Michael Walsh indicated 
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> many Jews were living freely in Germany under Hitlers reign, and
>>>>>> happy, as well as the large numerical amount in the military, who 
>>>>>> were
>>>>>> openly Jewish and free to be - thus there is nothing that anyone
>>>>>> should believe about Hitler murdering Jews because they were Jewish.
>>>>>> He liked many of them and had good relations with them. The holocaust
>>>>>> is the stratagem the Jews who are the international bankers use to
>>>>>> ward off investigating Hitlers great works who benefitted all, namely
>>>>>> eliminating debt-finance, because the subversive global effort of
>>>>>> Communism which is Jewish created and Jewish schemed, requires debt-
>>>>>> finance as created by Jew Paul Warburg who drafted the USA "Federal
>>>>>> Reserve Act of 1913" - clearly it proves a Jewish conspiracy is
>>>>>> happening in the USA. Combine that with Ayn Rand statement that NY
>>>>>> City was totally under control of Communist subversives in 1934 in 
>>>>>> her
>>>>>> book to warn us about Communism "We The Living", it shows that Jews
>>>>>> are the Communists, and they do it by creating scarcity, poverty,
>>>>>> unemployment, homelessness, by the use of debt-finance.
>>>>>> No better evidence could be available pertinent to the Jews being
>>>>>> filthy criminals than Paul Warburg crafting the Federal Reserve 
>>>>>> Act of
>>>>>> 1913, which is the cause of all problems and suffering in the USA. 
>>>>>> The
>>>>>> problems are intentional, by the intentional system of debt-finance
>>>>>> which clearly creates deficits and allows those that control the
>>>>>> system create shortages of cash in relation to creating large amounts
>>>>>> of debt, which always ends up stacked on the population - common
>>>>>> workers. Paul Warburg was Jewish, and President Wilson was completely
>>>>>> controlled by Jews, who intentionally created "the great depression"
>>>>>> by perpetuating mass debt but restricting the cash far less than what
>>>>>> the debt was, so a depression was the result purely intentional. The
>>>>>> result is a living state of Communism. Please comment on anything you
>>>>>> feel I'm lacking depth on John, you always know more than me 
>>>>>> regarding
>>>>>> Hitler. Hitler stopped the entire cycle of debt outweighing cash
>>>>>> available to meet the debt, and that's why they made up the holocaust
>>>>>> - so no one ever repeats Hitlers eliminating debt-finance. You agree?
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: Webmaster
>>>>>> To: "Mark Zahn"
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Plebiscites
>>>>>> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 15:15:32 +0200
>>>>>> Hi Mark,
>>>>>> Try 
>>>>>> here:http://www.adolfthegreat.com/Trails-Life/chancellor-maxi.html
>>>>>> I do not at the moment know what a citizen needed to do to initiate a
>>>>>> plebiscite. Those I know of were initiated by Hitler. Because a
>>>>>> benevolent dictatorship has been proved to be the best form of
>>>>>> government, (until the dictator dies, of course, when it becomes
>>>>>> problematical) I am not particularly concerned whether the citizens
>>>>>> even had such a right. Democracy, or mob rule, is not something I
>>>>>> respect.
>>>>>> None of this proves that Hitler wasn't a dictator. Hitler WAS a
>>>>>> dictator, although he complained that Roosevelt had far more
>>>>>> dictatorial power than he did. The question should be: did he use his
>>>>>> power to benefit his people or to harm them. In that sense the
>>>>>> plebescites tell the full story.
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> John- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>> dum shit cut
>>>>> Yeah the Jews were free and happy in Germany during Hitler. They
>>>>> appeciated having to wear the Star of David which marked them. They
>>>>> appreciated the pogroms such
>>>>> as Kristallknacht; the Nuremberg Blood Laws segregating and
>>>>> discriminating against Jews. Remaining German Jews were sent off to
>>>>> the concentration/extirmination camps. They
>>>>> loved it so much that Albert Einstein left before they could imprison/
>>>>> kill him; they ransacked
>>>>> his house. And Einstein was so appreciative of the Germans did to the
>>>>> Jews that until the
>>>>> end of his life he refused to have to do anything publicly with post-
>>>>> War Germany, including
>>>>> joining their peace society.
>>>>> You are dum as shit LIBERATOR.
>>>>> Michael Ragland
>>>> They had plenty of time to leave, but they didn't.
>>>
>>>   On the contray, so many left that they exceeded the immigration
>>> quotas for
>>> pretty much everywhere.
>>>
>>>> Jews of the World declared war on Germany in 1933!
>>>
>>>   Really?  Because the "Jews of the World" had no government to
>>> declare war on
>>> anyone in '33.
>>
>> Jews united, declared an economical war on Germany, boycotting German 
>> products all over the world.
>> http://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/articles/jdecwar.html 
>>
>> Now you know, why they had to wear yellow stars!
>> Jews became enemy of the German state.
>> Same happened to Japanese-Americans, they were incarcerated by the US 
>> government, lost their citizen ship and property was auctioned off, 
>> when Japan declared war on the US.
>>
>> In any case the Germans were the ones who attacked and
>>> they
>>> were given days to remove their forces from Poland.
>>
>> Poland mobilized forces first and had a chance to avoid war, by 
>> returning the Gdansk corridor to Germany.
>> Germany even gave Poland a piece of Slovakia, that use to belong to 
>> the Poles, as gesture of good will.
>> Germany only took half of Poland, the other half was taken by the 
>> Soviets.
>> In one word, Polaks screwed up, gambling too much, since England and 
>> France never help them.
>> You need to brush up on history!
> 
> I disagree. Poland was expecting a german agression but didn't think it 
> would happen so early. 

That's what I said, Poland mobilized it's troops, some 750,000!
Read the book -"Rise and fall of the Third Reich! , dealing mostly with 
diplomacy of WW2!
Hitler, 2 days before the attack of Poland, wanted urgently a high level 
Polish ministry personal  in Berlin to negotiate, to avoid war!
All he got is a cold shoulder from Poland.
Hitler would've settle for as little as a mile wide corridor to Gdansk 
so he can build a highway and political alignment with Germany.
Look it the Poles, even today, they are very difficult member of the EU,
they drew hard bargain to be a member of the EU, they rather align with 
the US/England than Europe.
EU, Germans screwed them real good now, because the gas pipeline being 
built to Europe from Russia, completely missing Poland.

http://beatroot.blogspot.com/2006/05/dont-mention-war.html

 >>>
Poles fear that a Russian-German pipeline under the Baltic Sea would 
enable Russia to pressure Poland, which would no longer be a transit 
route for Russian gas destined for Germany. In late April, Poland's 
defense minister, Radek Sikorski, said that the deal to build the $5 
billion, 750-mile pipeline was in "the Molotov-Ribbentrop tradition," a 
reference to the pact between Hitler's and Stalin's foreign ministers 
that led to the parbreastion of Poland in World War II.

"We want . . . no monopolies or blackmails, price-fixing or the use of 
energy as a tool of politics, or geopolitics," Sikorski said in an 
interview with the BBC. <<<
http://www.jucee.org/China/Gas-Pipeline-Politics-May-Ignite-Global-Resource-Wars.html


Besides Hitler had a pact with russia

That was secret, Poland didn't know about it, until Soviets invaded 
them. Found out quick, Soviets came as occupiers and not as liberators!
JS



> Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. Also read up on Fall Weiss.
> 
> 
>>
>>  They can hardly
>>> blame
>>> people for declaring war on them when they fight an undeclared war
>>> against
>>> someone's ally.
>>>
>>>> What do you think, US would do if some other tribe would do the same 
>>>> and
>>>> hurt the economy?
>>>> Even today, Jews moving back to Germany or Europe by the thousands, 
>>>> they
>>>> don't like in Israel!
>>>
>>>   Which hardly means that they loved Germany under Hitler.
>>
>> Sure they loved Germany, Jews owned 60% of the German economy!
>> Not bad, when only 1% were Jews of the German total population.
>> Under Hitler it changed of course, they were removed from the German 
>> economy!
>>
>>
>>>
>>>> Maybe you should move to Israel, if you LOVE them so much!
>>>> JS
>>>
>>>   Maybe you should take a course in elementary logic.
>>
>> You are being silly guy, Jews so proud of Israel, that no one wants to 
>> live there.
>> Cursed land.
>> JS
>>
>>
>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>


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bencramer7@gmail.com wrote:
> Hello nice people and turds. Greetings from Kuwait. What a shit hole.
> 111 degrees farenheit at midday.
> 
> Stay well, stay happy and be nice to each other.
> 
> See youse all in about 10 days.
> 
Kuwait?
What the hell you doing there Ben, from down under?
Is there another revisionist meeting held there, with wackos like those 
Jewish rabbi's, as CNN told us?
JS



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philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>> In article ,
>>>>>>>>>>> Protagonist  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "snow"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:BhIvi.689$i75.300@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Philip Mathews"  wrote in 
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:1186927920.803541.150250@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nazi Shooting squads shot well over 1 million Jews in 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Soviet
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Union
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Eastern Europe. They buried the bodies in literally 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thousands
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mass graves all over the region. What follows is a 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> small collection
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence, mostly visual, for these shootings, as well 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> highlights of a report on the archeological study of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mass graves at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Belzec extermination camp.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A Report by United States Commission for the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Preservation of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> America's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Heritage Abroad. A list of approximately 500 mass grave 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sites in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ukraine alone begins on page 142.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.heritageabroad.gov/reports/doc/survey_ukraine_2005.pdf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A short film of an Einsatzgruppen shooting in Liepaja
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www1.ushmm.org/wlc/media_fi.php?lang=en&ModuleId=10005130&Media
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Id=183
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The photos that show an American soldier looking at the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> graves are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> photo operation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> No they're not.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> And if this is best you can do, perhaps you should give 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> up Holocaust
>>>>>>>>>>>>> denial.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're pathetic at it.
>>>>>>>>>>>> You are a psycho PHILLIP, YOU SHOULD LIVE THIS GROUP!
>>>>>>>>>>>> js
>>>>>>>>>>> What he said, Phil, please LIVE this group! :))
>>>>>>>>>> Must be some current teevee expression Szaki has seen.
>>>>>>>>> Your books are lacking evidence,
>>>>>>>> How would know, you can't read.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here we go again, Da high minded Jew!
>>>>>> And a poor memory to boot!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not Jewish stupid.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And I'd say that the vast majority of living organisms on this 
>>>>>> planet are more intellligent than you.
>>>>> So are the vast majority of dead ones.
>>>> Stay on the subjects Stupid!
>>>> Insults don't work!
>>> Why don't you, stupid?
>>>
>>> Respond to the evidence. And I mean with something intelligent!
>>>
>>> ANDRZEJ KOLA, BELZEC. THE NAZI CAMP FOR JEWS IN THE LIGHT OF
>>>
>>> ARCHAEOLOGICAL SOURCES. Excavations 1997-1999. ISBN 83-905590-6-4.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The grave pit No 6 (Fig. 23)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That grave was found in the south-central part of ha XVI. It was 
>>> estimated
>>>
>>> basing on 12 deep drills (No 388-393, 1399, 1419, 1427, 1433-1435). 
>>> It has a
>>>
>>> shape of a lengthened rectangle with the size of 30,00 x 10,00 m 
>>> and the
>>>
>>> depth of 4,00 m. The ashes were scattered around the grave, 
>>> reaching the
>>>
>>> depth of 1,00 m, according to the drill studies. It is homogenous 
>>> crematory
>>>
>>> contents. The volume of it is about 1200 m3.
> 
>> Dig the fucking thing up, don't come here with drill studies idiot.
> 
> No reason to.
> 
> The proper archeological method was used. Over 23,000 cubic meters of 
> mass graves at Belzec. Holding all the cremated and partially cremated 
> remains of the Jews sent to Belzec, who never left, and gassed by the 
> Nazis there, who told us they did it and how they did it.
> 
> Convergence of evidence, stupid. It's a bitch.
> 
> --
> Philip Mathews 
> 
> 
Dig it up and show the world, lying retard!
Afraid?
JS


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philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
> news:SfCdnWDVMKFd2lzbnZ2dnUVZ_vPinZ2d@comcast.com...
>> William Daffer wrote:
>>> Protagonist  writes:
>>>
>>>> William Daffer wrote:
>>>>> "snow"  writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Philip Mathews"  wrote in message
>>>>>> news:1186927920.803541.150250@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>> Nazi Shooting squads shot well over 1 million Jews in the 
>>>>>>> Soviet Union
>>>>>>> and Eastern Europe. They buried the bodies in literally 
>>>>>>> thousands of
>>>>>>> mass graves all over the region. What follows is a small 
>>>>>>> collection of
>>>>>>> evidence, mostly visual, for these shootings, as well as the
>>>>>>> highlights of a report on the archeological study of mass 
>>>>>>> graves at
>>>>>>> the Belzec extermination camp.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A Report by United States Commission for the Preservation of 
>>>>>>> America's
>>>>>>> Heritage Abroad. A list of approximately 500 mass grave sites 
>>>>>>> in the
>>>>>>> Ukraine alone begins on page 142.
>>>>>>> http://www.heritageabroad.gov/reports/doc/survey_ukraine_2005.pdf
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A short film of an Einsatzgruppen shooting in Liepaja
>>>>>>> http://www1.ushmm.org/wlc/media_fi.php?lang=en&ModuleId=10005130&Media
>>>>>>> Id=183
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> The photos that show an American soldier looking at the graves 
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> photo operation. Can't say that the bodies are staged but the 
>>>>>> photo op
>>>>>> was surely a planed event.
>>>>>   Surely you jest?   Are you so ignorant of this history that you
>>>>> can't even recognize
>>>>>   the movies made by the Nazis!
>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there a way to take a exhumed body and test it if the death 
>>>>>> was
>>>>>> actually by gassing? or Typhus?  Do they even do that?
>>>>>   Why would you ask such a stupid question while watching a movie 
>>>>> of
>>>>>   the Nazis shooting Jews?
>>>>> whd
>>>>>
>>>> Where does it say, they are shooting Jews?
>>>   Ah, well that's the bit of knowledge that one who actually knew 
>>> what
>>>   the historical account said would have.
>>>
>>>   That you ask the question shows that you're not one of those 
>>> people
>>>  [snip more stupid question from an ignoramus]
>>>
>>> whd
>> You Jews present any attrocities from WW2, as it happend to Jews!
>> That's why you are a lier.
> 
> Holocaust history isn't written by Jews, you Jew obsessed moron.
> 
> --
> Philip Mathews
> 
> 

No?
May be written by the pygmies in Africa!
JS


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Here are Philip Mathews proof for the Holohoax!
He's claiming there are photos! Haha!
No Philip, these are cartons, drawings!
I blow them up a bit, to show!

http://aycu11.webshots.com/image/26610/2003561995959884749_rs.jpg
http://aycu38.webshots.com/image/25597/2003567540543488594_rs.jpg
http://aycu24.webshots.com/image/26543/2003537157065296336_rs.jpg

JS


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Please, McVay you show the documents that people were gassed at 
Auschwitz and how many?
4 millions?
20 minutes for gassing?
15 minutes for cremation?
Haha!
JS


Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
> Leading Revisionist Scholar snow, it would be unfair, not to mention
> inconsiderate, for anyone to label you as a liar without giving you
> the opportunity to respond by supporting your specious assertions
> with documentary evidence.
> 
> Question 1:
> 
> On July 25, 2007, you made two claims, to wit:
> 
> 1. That no one was gassed at Auschwitz or Majdanek
> 2. That the "gas chamber in aushwitz were build by russians after the
>    so called liberation."
> 
> Please document your claims. 
> 
> Question 2: On July 26, 2007, you wrote:
> 
> "I am still having a problem with the myth of gassing the jews."
> 
> Please support your assertion with documentary evidence that homocidal
> gassings are a "myth."
> 
> Question 3:
> 
> On July 26, 2007, you claimed that, "jews come out with awards so they 
> could award other jews and it is all based on how much you paid and to
> whom and actually has very little to do with achievements."
> 
> Please document these claims.
> 
> Question 4:
> 
> On July 29, 2007, you claimed, "...McVay in one of the threads stated 
> that 'if you question holocaust then you are automatically anti-Semite."
> 
> Please provide an exact Google Groups link to any article in which
> I made such a statement.
> 
> Question 5:
> 
> In article ,
> you wrote:
> 
> "In 1931 Stromberg v. California, the Jews defended Communists' free speech
> rights. Six decades later, in R. v. Keegstra, the Jews sued to prevent the
> teaching of an alternative to the Exterminationist theory known as
> "Revisionism" -- and won."
> 
> Please provide documentary evidence that Mr. Keegstra was "sued by Jews" as
> you claim, and show how the Supreme Court of Canada lied when it said:
> 
>    Mr. James Keegstra was a high school teacher in Eckville,  
> Alberta, from the early 1970's until his dismissal in 1982.  
> In 1984, Mr. Keegstra was charged under s. 319(2) (then  
> 281.2(2)) of the Criminal Code with unlawfully promoting  
> hatred against an identifiable group by communicating  
> anti-Semitic statements to his students. He was convicted by  
> a jury in a trial before McKenzie J. of the Alberta Court of  
> Queen's Bench. 
>   
>    Mr. Keegstra's teachings attributed various evil  
> qualities to Jews. He thus described Jews to his pupils as  
> ''treacherous'', ''subversive'', ''sadistic'',  
> ''money-loving'', ''power hungry'' and ''child killers''. He  
> taught his classes that Jewish people seek to destroy  
> Christianity and are responsible for depressions, anarchy,  
> chaos, wars and revolution. According to Mr. Keegstra, Jews  
> ''created the Holocaust to gain sympathy'' and, in contrast  
> to the open and honest Christians, were said to be  
> deceptive, secretive and inherently evil. Mr. Keegstra  
> expected his students to reproduce his teachings in class  
> and on exams. If they failed to do so, their marks suffered. 
>   
>    Prior to his trial, Mr. Keegstra applied to the Court of  
> Queen's Bench in Alberta for an order quashing the charge on  
> a number of grounds, the primary one being that s. 319(2) of  
> the Criminal Code unjustifiably infringed his freedom of  
> expression as guaranteed by s. 2(b) of the Charter. Among  
> the other grounds of appeal was the allegation that the  
> defence of truth found in s. 319(3)(a) of the Code violates  
> the Charter's presumption of innocence. The application was  
> dismissed by Quigley J., and Mr. Keegstra was thereafter  
> tried and convicted. He then appealed his conviction to the  
> Alberta Court of Appeal, raising the same Charter issues.  
> The Court of Appeal unanimously accepted his argument, and  
> it is from this judgment that the Crown appeals. 
>   
>    The Attorneys-General of Canada, Quebec, Ontario,  
> Manitoba and New Brunswick, the Canadian Jewish Congress,  
> Interamicus, the League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith,  
> Canada, and the Women's Legal Education and Action Fund  
> (L.E.A.F.) have intervened in this appeal in support of the  
> Crown. The Canadian Civil Liberties Association has  
> intervened in support of striking down the impugned  
> legislation. 
>   
> Question 6:
> 
> In article , you wrote:
> 
> "Why is it that most if not all Holocaust supporting articles are written by
> Jews or are sponsored by Jewish organization."
> 
> Please prove your claim by providing data which supports it. List all "Holocaust
> supporting" articles and document the Jewish background of the authors.
> 
> 
> Question 7:
> 
> On July 30, 2007, you wrote:
> 
> "...it was actually American Jews that sold iron and oil to Nazi 
> Germany by using Sweden as a proxy since American jews couldn't 
> deal directly with Nazi Germany.
> 
> "Sweden banks that financed it were run by Jews, as well as proxy 
> companies that were setup by jewish bank owners. Swedish people 
> didn't have a clue what was being done behind their backs."
> 
> Please document these assertions, naming the "American Jews"
> involved and the Swedish banks that were "setup by Jewish bank
> owners."
> 
> Question 8:
> 
> On July 31, 2007, you asked, "Why is it that most if not all Holocaust supporting
> articles are written by Jews or are sponsored by Jewish organization."
> 
> Please provide the data upon which you based these assertions. Include a
> comprehensive list of "Holocaust supporting articles " and their authors,
> and show how each article is either written by a Jew or "sponsored by
> Jewish organizations."
> 
> Question 9:
> 
> On August 1, 2007, you wrote, "[Wikipedia] is edited by members 
> who choose to exaggerate their own race or religion, and jews are
> the forefront of such edits."
> 
> Please document your claims - particularly the one about the Jews
> being in the "forefront of such edits."
> 
> 
> Question 10:
> 
> On August 5, 2007, you wrote:
> 
>> Ken's website on Majdanek says 1.5 jews killed
>> http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/camps/maidanek/
> 
> ...and...
> 
>> KEN IS LYING!!! to put the holocaust in the best light so people would 
>> associate the word HOLOCAUST with the JEWS and WW2 so then JEWS could cash 
>> in on HOLOCAUST by producing books, interviews, movies (all are tools of 
>> propaganda)
> 
> Let's visit http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/ and see what we 
> find, shall we?
> 
> In http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/commission-07, we find the Polish
> Commission (not Nizkor) saying, "The Polish-Soviet Extraordinary 
> Commission finds that during the four years the Majdanek Extermination 
> Camp was in existence the Hitlerite butchers, on thc direct orders of 
> their criminal government, exterminated by means of wholesalc shooting 
> and wholesale asphyxiation in gas chambers of about one million five 
> hundred thousand persons-Soviet prisoners of war, prisoners of war of 
> the former Polish army, and civilians of different nationalities, such 
> as Poles, Frenchmen, Italians, Belgians, Netherlanders, Czechs, Serbs, 
> Greeks, Croatians and a vast number of Jews."
> 
> Gosh, Leading Revisionist Scholar snow has lied (again) about what "Nizkor says."
> 
> In the file http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/maidanek.02 we find
> Nizkor quoting Sachar, who said, "Between February 1942 and July 1944 about 
> half a million Jews were destroyed there by gassing and by shooting."
> 
> Gosh! It seems Leading Revisionist Scholar snow has lied (again) about what "Nizkor
> says."
> 
> In the file http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/maidanek.03, 
> Nizkor cites several sources, including Snyder, who wrote, ""It is 
> estimated that 1.5 million inmates were gassed at Maidanek." 
> 
> (Snyder does NOT, the assertions of Leading Revisionist Scholar snow
> notwithstanding, claim that all the victims were Jewish - that is, 
> he was lying - again.)
> 
> The same article quotes Davidowitz (1,380,000 dead) and Sachar (500,000 dead), while the
> IFZ is quoted as saying that 50,000 *Jews* were murdered there.
> 
> The Encyclopedia of the Holocaust is then cited, in a piece on Majdanek written by
> Lublin University's Zygmunt Mankowski, who wrote "close to 500,000 passed
> through. Of those, according to current (1990) estimates, 360,000 died,
> sixty percent from camp conditions, and forty percent from gassing, hanging,
> or being shot."
> 
> Mankowski does not, contrary to your blather, claim that all the victims were Jews.
> 
> Now we get to the spot where NIZKOR says something, to wit: 
> 
> "I suspect it may be impossible to determine the numbers, but this article
> (EoH) struck me as reasonable, if for no other reason its mention of the
> transport records and the trials, plus the bibliographic data. I'd
> appreciate it if someone would check the earlier sources cited to determine
> if any orignial source is offered, and get back to us."
> 
>> KEN IS LYING!!! to put the holocaust in the best light so people would 
>> associate the word HOLOCAUST with the JEWS and WW2 so then JEWS could cash 
>> in on HOLOCAUST by producing books, interviews, movies (all are tools of 
>> propaganda)
> 
> Please retract your lies, Leading Revisionist Scholar snow, 
> now that they have been exposed.
> 
> Question 11:
> 
> In article , on August 15,
> 2007, you authored an article which claimed, quote, "Kenneth McVay a 
> pedophile and a child molester who molested his own daughter..."
> 
> Please document when and where any of my children have made such statements, and
> be prepared to support your allegations in court.
> 
> If you are unable to *document* these specious claims, retract them.
> 
> Question 12:
> 
> In article , posted on
> August 15, 2007, you made the following allegation:
> 
> "NIZKOR's self appointed director Ken McVay involved in tax fraud."
> 
> Document your allegation that I am involved in tax fraud, or retract it.
> 
> Tax someone has committed such an offense, by all means report
> to the federal authorites post haste. Not doing so is, in and of
> itself, a crime.
> 


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Also, please confirm McVay. these are the photos of Jews in mas-graves?
(o:

http://aycu11.webshots.com/image/26610/2003561995959884749_rs.jpg
http://aycu38.webshots.com/image/25597/2003567540543488594_rs.jpg
http://aycu24.webshots.com/image/26543/2003537157065296336_rs.jpg

JS



Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
> Leading Revisionist Scholar snow, it would be unfair, not to mention
> inconsiderate, for anyone to label you as a liar without giving you
> the opportunity to respond by supporting your specious assertions
> with documentary evidence.
> 
> Question 1:
> 
> On July 25, 2007, you made two claims, to wit:
> 
> 1. That no one was gassed at Auschwitz or Majdanek
> 2. That the "gas chamber in aushwitz were build by russians after the
>    so called liberation."
> 
> Please document your claims. 
> 
> Question 2: On July 26, 2007, you wrote:
> 
> "I am still having a problem with the myth of gassing the jews."
> 
> Please support your assertion with documentary evidence that homocidal
> gassings are a "myth."
> 
> Question 3:
> 
> On July 26, 2007, you claimed that, "jews come out with awards so they 
> could award other jews and it is all based on how much you paid and to
> whom and actually has very little to do with achievements."
> 
> Please document these claims.
> 
> Question 4:
> 
> On July 29, 2007, you claimed, "...McVay in one of the threads stated 
> that 'if you question holocaust then you are automatically anti-Semite."
> 
> Please provide an exact Google Groups link to any article in which
> I made such a statement.
> 
> Question 5:
> 
> In article ,
> you wrote:
> 
> "In 1931 Stromberg v. California, the Jews defended Communists' free speech
> rights. Six decades later, in R. v. Keegstra, the Jews sued to prevent the
> teaching of an alternative to the Exterminationist theory known as
> "Revisionism" -- and won."
> 
> Please provide documentary evidence that Mr. Keegstra was "sued by Jews" as
> you claim, and show how the Supreme Court of Canada lied when it said:
> 
>    Mr. James Keegstra was a high school teacher in Eckville,  
> Alberta, from the early 1970's until his dismissal in 1982.  
> In 1984, Mr. Keegstra was charged under s. 319(2) (then  
> 281.2(2)) of the Criminal Code with unlawfully promoting  
> hatred against an identifiable group by communicating  
> anti-Semitic statements to his students. He was convicted by  
> a jury in a trial before McKenzie J. of the Alberta Court of  
> Queen's Bench. 
>   
>    Mr. Keegstra's teachings attributed various evil  
> qualities to Jews. He thus described Jews to his pupils as  
> ''treacherous'', ''subversive'', ''sadistic'',  
> ''money-loving'', ''power hungry'' and ''child killers''. He  
> taught his classes that Jewish people seek to destroy  
> Christianity and are responsible for depressions, anarchy,  
> chaos, wars and revolution. According to Mr. Keegstra, Jews  
> ''created the Holocaust to gain sympathy'' and, in contrast  
> to the open and honest Christians, were said to be  
> deceptive, secretive and inherently evil. Mr. Keegstra  
> expected his students to reproduce his teachings in class  
> and on exams. If they failed to do so, their marks suffered. 
>   
>    Prior to his trial, Mr. Keegstra applied to the Court of  
> Queen's Bench in Alberta for an order quashing the charge on  
> a number of grounds, the primary one being that s. 319(2) of  
> the Criminal Code unjustifiably infringed his freedom of  
> expression as guaranteed by s. 2(b) of the Charter. Among  
> the other grounds of appeal was the allegation that the  
> defence of truth found in s. 319(3)(a) of the Code violates  
> the Charter's presumption of innocence. The application was  
> dismissed by Quigley J., and Mr. Keegstra was thereafter  
> tried and convicted. He then appealed his conviction to the  
> Alberta Court of Appeal, raising the same Charter issues.  
> The Court of Appeal unanimously accepted his argument, and  
> it is from this judgment that the Crown appeals. 
>   
>    The Attorneys-General of Canada, Quebec, Ontario,  
> Manitoba and New Brunswick, the Canadian Jewish Congress,  
> Interamicus, the League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith,  
> Canada, and the Women's Legal Education and Action Fund  
> (L.E.A.F.) have intervened in this appeal in support of the  
> Crown. The Canadian Civil Liberties Association has  
> intervened in support of striking down the impugned  
> legislation. 
>   
> Question 6:
> 
> In article , you wrote:
> 
> "Why is it that most if not all Holocaust supporting articles are written by
> Jews or are sponsored by Jewish organization."
> 
> Please prove your claim by providing data which supports it. List all "Holocaust
> supporting" articles and document the Jewish background of the authors.
> 
> 
> Question 7:
> 
> On July 30, 2007, you wrote:
> 
> "...it was actually American Jews that sold iron and oil to Nazi 
> Germany by using Sweden as a proxy since American jews couldn't 
> deal directly with Nazi Germany.
> 
> "Sweden banks that financed it were run by Jews, as well as proxy 
> companies that were setup by jewish bank owners. Swedish people 
> didn't have a clue what was being done behind their backs."
> 
> Please document these assertions, naming the "American Jews"
> involved and the Swedish banks that were "setup by Jewish bank
> owners."
> 
> Question 8:
> 
> On July 31, 2007, you asked, "Why is it that most if not all Holocaust supporting
> articles are written by Jews or are sponsored by Jewish organization."
> 
> Please provide the data upon which you based these assertions. Include a
> comprehensive list of "Holocaust supporting articles " and their authors,
> and show how each article is either written by a Jew or "sponsored by
> Jewish organizations."
> 
> Question 9:
> 
> On August 1, 2007, you wrote, "[Wikipedia] is edited by members 
> who choose to exaggerate their own race or religion, and jews are
> the forefront of such edits."
> 
> Please document your claims - particularly the one about the Jews
> being in the "forefront of such edits."
> 
> 
> Question 10:
> 
> On August 5, 2007, you wrote:
> 
>> Ken's website on Majdanek says 1.5 jews killed
>> http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/camps/maidanek/
> 
> ...and...
> 
>> KEN IS LYING!!! to put the holocaust in the best light so people would 
>> associate the word HOLOCAUST with the JEWS and WW2 so then JEWS could cash 
>> in on HOLOCAUST by producing books, interviews, movies (all are tools of 
>> propaganda)
> 
> Let's visit http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/ and see what we 
> find, shall we?
> 
> In http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/commission-07, we find the Polish
> Commission (not Nizkor) saying, "The Polish-Soviet Extraordinary 
> Commission finds that during the four years the Majdanek Extermination 
> Camp was in existence the Hitlerite butchers, on thc direct orders of 
> their criminal government, exterminated by means of wholesalc shooting 
> and wholesale asphyxiation in gas chambers of about one million five 
> hundred thousand persons-Soviet prisoners of war, prisoners of war of 
> the former Polish army, and civilians of different nationalities, such 
> as Poles, Frenchmen, Italians, Belgians, Netherlanders, Czechs, Serbs, 
> Greeks, Croatians and a vast number of Jews."
> 
> Gosh, Leading Revisionist Scholar snow has lied (again) about what "Nizkor says."
> 
> In the file http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/maidanek.02 we find
> Nizkor quoting Sachar, who said, "Between February 1942 and July 1944 about 
> half a million Jews were destroyed there by gassing and by shooting."
> 
> Gosh! It seems Leading Revisionist Scholar snow has lied (again) about what "Nizkor
> says."
> 
> In the file http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/maidanek.03, 
> Nizkor cites several sources, including Snyder, who wrote, ""It is 
> estimated that 1.5 million inmates were gassed at Maidanek." 
> 
> (Snyder does NOT, the assertions of Leading Revisionist Scholar snow
> notwithstanding, claim that all the victims were Jewish - that is, 
> he was lying - again.)
> 
> The same article quotes Davidowitz (1,380,000 dead) and Sachar (500,000 dead), while the
> IFZ is quoted as saying that 50,000 *Jews* were murdered there.
> 
> The Encyclopedia of the Holocaust is then cited, in a piece on Majdanek written by
> Lublin University's Zygmunt Mankowski, who wrote "close to 500,000 passed
> through. Of those, according to current (1990) estimates, 360,000 died,
> sixty percent from camp conditions, and forty percent from gassing, hanging,
> or being shot."
> 
> Mankowski does not, contrary to your blather, claim that all the victims were Jews.
> 
> Now we get to the spot where NIZKOR says something, to wit: 
> 
> "I suspect it may be impossible to determine the numbers, but this article
> (EoH) struck me as reasonable, if for no other reason its mention of the
> transport records and the trials, plus the bibliographic data. I'd
> appreciate it if someone would check the earlier sources cited to determine
> if any orignial source is offered, and get back to us."
> 
>> KEN IS LYING!!! to put the holocaust in the best light so people would 
>> associate the word HOLOCAUST with the JEWS and WW2 so then JEWS could cash 
>> in on HOLOCAUST by producing books, interviews, movies (all are tools of 
>> propaganda)
> 
> Please retract your lies, Leading Revisionist Scholar snow, 
> now that they have been exposed.
> 
> Question 11:
> 
> In article , on August 15,
> 2007, you authored an article which claimed, quote, "Kenneth McVay a 
> pedophile and a child molester who molested his own daughter..."
> 
> Please document when and where any of my children have made such statements, and
> be prepared to support your allegations in court.
> 
> If you are unable to *document* these specious claims, retract them.
> 
> Question 12:
> 
> In article , posted on
> August 15, 2007, you made the following allegation:
> 
> "NIZKOR's self appointed director Ken McVay involved in tax fraud."
> 
> Document your allegation that I am involved in tax fraud, or retract it.
> 
> Tax someone has committed such an offense, by all means report
> to the federal authorites post haste. Not doing so is, in and of
> itself, a crime.
> 


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philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
> news:ULKdnUXOvOuOb17bnZ2dnUVZ_ournZ2d@comcast.com...
> 
>> Here are Philip Mathews proof for the Holohoax!
>> He's claiming there are photos! Haha!
>> No Philip, these are cartons, drawings!
>> I blow them up a bit, to show!
>>
>> http://aycu11.webshots.com/image/26610/2003561995959884749_rs.jpg
>> http://aycu38.webshots.com/image/25597/2003567540543488594_rs.jpg
>> http://aycu24.webshots.com/image/26543/2003537157065296336_rs.jpg
> 
> And they are, stupid!
> 
> Thanks for showing everyone just how stupid.
> 
> --
> Philip Mathews
> 
> 

They are not, idiot!
Drawings!
Open your eyes, blind man!
JS


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You've been posting too many bull shit Ragland!
JS

>    Video
> 
> 
> (movie will open in a separate window)
> 
> Choose your format:
>  Quicktime
>  Realmedia
> 
> Jewish families long separated by the Holocaust could one day be
> reunited by new DNA matching techniques, say scientists who are
> building a genetic database of holocaust survivors. As this
> ScienCentral News video explains, the new methods were initially
> developed to identify victims of the World Trade Center attacks.
> 
> "Project of Hope"
> 
> Joseph Mandelbaum and his wife Lena survived the tortures of Nazi
> concentration camps and the murders of their parents, siblings and
> loved ones. Sixty-five years after the Holocaust, they know exactly
> who they are still searching for: those killed but not incinerated;
> Joseph's two brothers, Lena's father.
> 
> "We have nobody in the cemeteries, because our aunts and uncles and
> grandparents and brothers and sisters, everybody went," says Lena
> Mandelbaum, who is now 79 years old.
> 
> "We hope to find them and then be able to make a Jewish burial and I
> will be able to say kaddish," the Jewish prayer for the dead, says
> Joseph, who is 83. "I do say kaddish after them anyway," he adds.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Now, their son Syd is bringing his parents and other Holocaust orphans
> a gift of hope that their missing may one day be found. He has set out
> to sample cheek cells from the thousands of still-living holocaust
> survivors to create a lasting DNA database. Mandelbaum named the
> project "DNA Shoah" after the Hebrew word for the Holocaust, and
> recruited University of Arizona geneticist Michael Hammer to co-found
> the project and analyze the samples, which are gathered through mail-
> in kits.
> 
> "Of the six million Jews that were killed during the Holocaust, two
> million were cremated and their remains are lost forever. But four
> million, their remains were placed in the ground in mass graves or
> small graves distributed throughout Europe," explains Hammer. "So
> today, as roads are being developed and shopping malls are being
> built, some of these bones are turning up today accidentally by people
> doing the construction and they don't know what to do with these
> bones."
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  He says identifying those remains is now possible, using DNA matching
> techniques developed in the aftermath of recent catastrophes. The
> devastation of 9/11 forced scientists to innovate ways to identify
> victims from badly damaged DNA. "These are people who died between
> 1933 and 1945, so their remains have been in the ground for a long
> time," says Hammer.
> 
> Then, the Indian Ocean Tsunami and hurricane Katrina necessitated "non-
> self" matching -- using the DNA of living family members to identify
> victims -- since personal items like toothbrushes and hair brushes
> were washed away.
> 
> "Everybody in their DNA has something called genetic markers which are
> places in the DNA that are known to be different, or variable, between
> individuals," explains Hammer. "So if we type enough of those markers
> in your DNA, you will have a unique profile."
> 
> 
> "Every individual is unique, but you're more closely related to your
> family members because you inherit your DNA from your mom and dad. So
> if we're able to get DNA from different members of the family, we can
> reconstruct the genetic profile of a missing person who's part of your
> family," he says.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  "The other thing that's aiding us ... is improvements in technology
> to understand massive amount of information has improved greatly,"
> Hammer says. "Computer software has been developed to help people
> match survivors with lost ones in cases where many, many families are
> involved and many, many victims are involved."
> 
> The project will also gather samples from children and grandchildren
> of Holocaust survivors. But for interviewing and sampling survivors
> themselves, time is of the essence. "The average age of the survivor
> is mid-80s, so if we're going to be able to construct a database of
> the survivors we need to act today," he says.
> 
> Syd Mandelbaum points out that information from survivors like his
> parents is also critical. They learned in the terrible selection
> process who among their loved ones were taken to the death camps and
> who may lie somewhere in Europe.
> 
> "We have people coming to us now that are Holocaust survivors that
> know exactly where their families were murdered," he says. "They would
> like nothing more than to have those remains extracted and brought to
> family cemetery plots here in the U.S. or in Israel or in other places
> around the world."
> 
> 
> If the database grows large enough, it might even link distant
> relatives and reunite scattered families. "At the end of World War
> Two, over 10 thousand orphans were sent throughout the world, and many
> of the orphans who were anywhere from five to 10 years old had no idea
> where their families were," says Mandelbaum. "For the first time now
> we believe we can give them the potential of finding family that could
> have survived the Holocaust."
> 
> Mandelbaum isn't kidding himself about the odds of finding matches
> right away, but his parents taught him the power of hope. "Without a
> database there is no hope of finding matches," he says. "With the
> database there is hope and we can't guarantee anything, but we do know
> the finality of the word 'no,' but the possibility of the word,
> 'maybe'."
> 
> "The work we do now is not just for this generation, because as
> remains continue to turn up in Europe there is potential for matching
> to take place," says Mandelbaum. "Remains will be turning up for the
> next millennium, as long as construction goes on in Europe."
> 
> For more information on the DNA Shoah project, visit http://www.dnashoah.info/.
> 
> Hammer's research was published in the June 2006 edition of "Nature."
> M-FYSys software was donated by Gene Codes Corp., Ann Arbor MI, and
> the project depends on volunteers and funding from private
> contributors.
> 
> 
> 
>    by Joyce Gramza
> 


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Eugene Holman wrote:
> In article <1187341071.287984.199220@a39g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,
>  ragland31@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> 
>> If Finland never had a population over 2,000 why would Nazi Germany
>> even bother to agitate
>> against its ally to get those Jews? If Finland had a 100,000 Jews than
>> maybe Nazi Germany
>> would have thought differently and invaded Finland if it didn't hand
>> them over.
> 
> The Jewish populations of Hungary, with 800,000, Bulgaria, with 50,000, 
> and Italy, with 44,500,
> were left alone as long as those countries were reliable allies and did 
> Germany's bidding. 
> When Italy, and then Hungary, realized that the war was a lost cause and 
> tried to extricate
> themselves from the war, Germany invaded and  came after their Jews with 
> a vengeance. 
> The fact that countries that did not cooperate with Germany had small 
> Jewish populations, 
> e.g. Estonia, with 4,400, approximately 3,300 of which escaped with the 
> retreating Red 
> Army before the Gernmans could get access to them, Luxembourg with 
> 3,500, and Norway, 
> with 1,700, did not prevent Germany from applying the Final Solution 
> to them.
> 
> The large Jewish population in Hungary, which was left in peace for as 
> long as Hungary 
> was an ally, but robustly destroyed when policy changed, as well as the 
> brutal treatment 
> of the tiny Jewish populaiton in Estonia ­ boasted to be 'judenfrei' - 
> 'free of Jews' ­ in 
> the Wannsee Conference Protocol, and in Norway, shows that it was not 
> the small size that was 
> a factor. If you know anything about German culture and work ethic, you 
> are familiar with 
> the concept of *deutsche Gründlichkeit* ­ German thoroughness. An 
> impurity is an impurity, 
> whether large or small, major or minor, and must be dealt with 
> accordingly. The exceptional 
> treatment of Jews in Finland cannot  simply be attributed to the small 
> size of the native and refugee communities. Reichsführer-SS made two 
> trips to Finland to gain 
> first-hand experience with the nature of the local "Jewish Question" and 
> negotiate with the Finnish authorities about how Germany could help 
> resolve it. He was informed by the Finnish Prime Minister of the time, 
> Johan Wilhelm Rangell: 
> "Finland has a couple of thousand Jews - decent families and 
> individuals, whose sons fight in our army just like other Finns, and who 
> are as respected as citizens as all others...Wir haben keine Judenfrage 
> [We have no Jewish 
> Question]". And then he changed the subject [http://www2.hs.fi/english/
> archive/news.asp?id=20031118IE7].
> 
> Regards,
> Eugene Holman

Holman the idiot, why don't you stick your had up to your ass, where it 
belongs.
JS


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Eugene Holman wrote:
> In article <1187341071.287984.199220@a39g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,
>  ragland31@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> 
>> If Finland never had a population over 2,000 why would Nazi Germany
>> even bother to agitate
>> against its ally to get those Jews? If Finland had a 100,000 Jews than
>> maybe Nazi Germany
>> would have thought differently and invaded Finland if it didn't hand
>> them over.
> 
> The Jewish populations of Hungary, with 800,000, Bulgaria, with 50,000, and Italy, with 44,500,
> were left alone as long as those countries were reliable allies and did Germany's bidding. 
> When Italy, and then Hungary, realized that the war was a lost cause and tried to extricate
> themselves from the war, Germany invaded and  came after their Jews with a vengeance. 
> The fact that countries that did not cooperate with Germany had small Jewis populations, 
> e.g. Estonia, with 4,400, approximately 3,300 of which escaped with the retreating Red 
> Army before the Gernmans could get access to them, Luxembourg with 3,500, and Norway, 
> with 1,700, did not prevent Germany from applying the Final Solution 
> to them.
> 
> The large Jewish population in Hungary, which was left in peace for as long as Hungary 
> was an ally, but robustly destroyed when policy changed, as well as the brutal treatment 
> of the tiny Jewish populaiton in Estonia ­ boasted to be 'judenfrei' - 'free of Jews' ­ in 
> the Wannsee Conference Protocol, and in Norway, shows that it was not the small size that was 
> a factor. If you know anything about German culture and work ethic, you are familiar with 
> the concept of *deutsche Gründlichkeit* ­ German thoroughness. An impurity is an impurity, 
> whether large or small, major or minor, and must be dealt with accordingly. The exceptional 
> treatment of Jews in Finland cannot  simply be attributed to the small 
> size of the native and refugee communities. Reichsführer-SS made two trips to Finland to gain 
> first-hand experience with the nature of the local "Jewish Question" and 
> negotiate with the Finnish authorities about how Germany could help 
> resolve it. He was informed by the Finnish Prime Minister of the time, Johan Wilhelm Rangell: 
> "Finland has a couple of thousand Jews - decent families and 
> individuals, whose sons fight in our army just like other Finns, and who 
> are as respected as citizens as all others...Wir haben keine Judenfrage [We have no Jewish 
> Question]". And then he changed the subject [http://www2.hs.fi/english/
> archive/news.asp?id=20031118IE7].
> 
> Regards,
> Eugene Holman

 >>Raul Hilberg, who supports the gassing and mass extermination claims, 
puts the number of Hungarian Jewish victims at 180,000, which means that 
most Hungarian deportees must have survived<<
JS


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ragland31@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7WmxmxGuzk
> 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykd-syzZ4ZY&mode=related&search=


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oneeyewotan@gmail.com wrote:
> On 17 aug, 11:20, TurkeyBoy  wrote:
>> On Aug 17, 9:57 am, raglan...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> Did she wear a double brown shopping bag over her head?
> 
> She proved that Irving is a nothing but liar.
> 
> 

She didn't prove any thing!
Judge called Irving a "history falsifier" and not a LIER, idiot!
JS



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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ae_Kskfw6c&mode=related&search=


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ragland31@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> It is so retarded and miserable that antisemitism has existed for
> 2,000 years and there is always a segment of a
> new crop, a new generation which embraces it. What does this say of
> our evolution (admittedly 2,000 years isn't anything in terms of
> Darwinian evolution which is glacial). Face it, we haven't grown up.
> We're still dangerous little babies....or as Hawking would say an
> earthworm to an intelligent extraterrestrial. Good morning or
> goodnight
> worms.
> 
> Michael Ragland
> 

Ragland the Pussycat!
Meow!
JS


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Your crap is Jewish propaganda!
It's impossible to kill 430,000 people in 2 months, idiot, without every 
one knowing it.
Later in September RC visited Auschwitz, talk to inmates and every thing 
was OK!

Here is a different analysis!
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v19/v19n4p19_Butz.html

JS


Eugene Holman wrote:
> In article ,
>  Protagonist  wrote:
> 
>> Eugene Holman wrote:
>>> In article <1187341071.287984.199220@a39g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,
> 
>>  >>Raul Hilberg, who supports the gassing and mass extermination claims, 
>> puts the number of Hungarian Jewish victims at 180,000, which means that 
>> most Hungarian deportees must have survived
> 
> No he doesn't and no it doesn't.
> 
> Raul Hilberg writes that:
> 
> "Half a million Jews were killed in Auschwitz betrween May and November 
> 1944." (pg. 324 of the 1 vol. version of his *The Destruction of the 
> European Jews*, 1985 edition.)
> 
> "By the beginning of July most of the Hungarian Jews were dead." (op. 
> cit., pg. 330.
> 
> For Hungary the figure that he gives is "over 180,000" (op. cit., pg. 
> 339). He also notes that he is talking about Hungary as defined by the 
> borders of 1937. You should know that Hungary annexed large areas of 
> Slovakia, Transylvania, Yugoslavia, and Ruthenia, this resulting in the 
> Greater Hungary of WW II being a much larger state with far more Jews 
> and people defined by the Nazis as Jews than the Hungary of 1937.  The 
> higher figures thus include the Jews who were under Hungarian rule 
> during the Nazi operation in the spring and summer of 1944, the "over 
> 180,000 figure", based solely on loses among Jews living within the 
> pre-war borders of Hungary does not.
> 
> The other sources give far higher figures because they take as their 
> starting point the number of people killed in greater Hungary during the 
> spring and summer of 1944 who were defined as Jews by the Nazi and thus 
> subjected to the Final Solution.
> 
> Siource: 
> http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/vjw/Hungary.html#The%20Holoca
> ust
> 
> 
> The Holocaust
> 
> Hungary joined with the Axis powers (Germany, Austria, and Italy) and 
> thus annexed parts of Slovakia, Transylvania, Yugoslavia and 
> Sub-Carpathian Ruthenia; most of these areas belonged to Hungary, before 
> World War I. By mid-1941, the annexation increased "Great Hungary's" 
> Jewish population to 800,000.
> 
> A "Third Jewish Law" was passed prohibiting intermarriage and changing 
> the definition of Jew to a racial definition. Many Christians thus 
> became "Jews" and the estimated number of "Jews" may have actually been 
> 850,000 in mid-1941.
> 
> The first massacre of Hungarian Jews took place in July 1941 when 20,000 
> Hungarian Jews were expelled from the Galicia region, in 
> Kamentes-Podolski, where the SS and Hungarian troops killed them in the 
> autumn of 1941. Another massacre of 1,000 Jews took place in January 
> 1942, in Bacska region. A third set of Jews, about 50,000, died on the 
> battlefield against the Soviets.
> 
> Also in 1942, Hungary's anti-Semitic Prime Minister, Miklos Kallas, 
> ordered that Jewish property be expropriated and he restricted the 
> economic and cultural life of Jews. He proposed a "final solution of the 
> Jewish question," calling for the resettlement of 800,000 Jews. The 
> Arrow Cross party in Hungary was also responsible for anti-Jewish 
> rhetoric, as well as for persecution.
> 
> By 1943, Jews were no longer involved in Hungary's public and cultural 
> life; however, the Kallay government began holding secret talks with the 
> allies and toned down its anti-Jewish rhetoric.
> 
> Germany occupied Hungary in March 1944 because Kallay did not deport the 
> Jews, which was seen as cooperation with the allies. By the time of the 
> German occupation, 63,000 Hungarian Jews had been killed.
> In April 1944, Adolph Eichmann ordered the removal of 400,000 Jews from 
> the provincial towns, cities and villages around Hungary to ghettos. 
> Deportation to Auschwitz began in May 1944. All communities besides 
> those in Budapest were put in ghettos or concentration camps. In June, 
> the first group of deportees (about 7,000 of the city's 12,000 Jews) 
> from Debrecen were sent to Austria and about one-half of these survived 
> the war.  Most of the other Jews were deported to Auschwitz.
> 
> Hannah Szenes
> 
> 
> About 2,000-2,500 Jews were able to escape to Romania during the 
> ghettoization period. Others escaped to Budapest. Relief efforts were 
> sponsored by the Zionists, who helped Jews with fake passports, food, 
> clothing and places to hide. The Haganah was actively involved in trying 
> to save Hungarian Jewry. Two famous paratroopers that attempted to save 
> lives included Hannah Szenes and Perez Goldstein.
> 
> Another 1,658 Jews were bought and were delivered to Switzerland for 
> $1,000 a person. The fate of the Hungarian Jews was published in the 
> Swiss press and in other neutral countries, leading to a suspension of 
> deportation ordered by Heinrich Himmler. Many Hungarian Jews were placed 
> in the protection of neutral states, Sweden, Switzerland and Portugal.
> Two well-known individuals involved in saving Hungary's Jews were 
> Charles Lutz, a Swiss diplomat in Hungary, and Raoul Wallenberg, 
> secretary of the Swedish Legation in Budapest.
> 
> The deportation process of Budapest's Jews began in October 1944. The 
> majority of the Budapest Jews were sent to a central ghetto, while some 
> managed to live in "protected ghettos" in quarters protected by various 
> neural states.
> 
> Death marches to Austria were ordered for the Budapest Jews and it is 
> estimated that about 98,000 Jews from Budapest lost their lives in these 
> marches by January 1945.
> 
> At the end of the war, 69,000 Jews remained in Budapest's central ghetto 
> and 25,000 remained in the "protected ghetto." Approximately 25,000 Jews 
> came out of hiding in Budapest, a few thousand lived in Red Cross 
> children's homes and others returned from labor camps, from the Soviet 
> Union and from other regions. Of the original 825,000 Jews before the 
> war, 260,000 Hungarian Jews survived and 565,000 perished. About 4,000 
> Jews from Debrecen survived the war. The other survivors were mainly 
> from Budapest; most of the Jews from the small towns were murdered.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Source: 
> http://hist.claremontmckenna.edu/jpetropoulos/arrow/holocaust/holocaust.h
> tm
> 
> 
> During World War II, the Nazis and their European cohorts killed over 
> six million Jews. One tenth of these Holocaust victims were Hungarian 
> Jews, resulting in a total of over 550,000 deaths.
> 
> Although the Jews in Hungary were emancipated in 1867, they nevertheless 
> experienced segregation within the community of other Hungarian 
> citizens. Between the years of 1938 to 1941, the Hungarian government 
> put into effect three anti-Semitic laws, not unlike the Nuremberg laws 
> in Germany. The first two laws restricted their economic prosperity and 
> livelihood, while the third was a blatant racial law that stipulated 
> "race-protective" orders.
> 
> 
> 
> The massacre of Jews started shortly after the anti-Semitic laws went 
> into effect. Over the course of two months, July and August of 1941, 
> over 16,000 Jews deemed alien were deported to Galicia, a territory 
> under German rule. There, the Germans slaughtered them; this was the 
> first five-digit massacre, a "record achievement" for the Germans during 
> the Holocaust. In January 1942, Hungarian gendarmeries murdered 3,500 
> people, eight hundred of whom were Jews, and in order to dispose of the 
> corpses, the gendarmeries simply tossed them into the Danube. On top of 
> the systematic extermination, the gendarmeries also held public hangings 
> as a scare tactic for the civilians.
> 
> Despite the terror that had already begun, March 19, 1944 marked the 
> beginning of the most horrific year in the eighteen centuries of Jewish 
> history in Hungary, but that simple statement alone cannot adequately 
> express the severity of the persecutions the Hungarian Jewry had to 
> endure. Unlike in the past, they had never been singled out for 
> extermination by a country of which they were legal citizens.
> 
> The catalyst of the Hungarian Holocaust came from an "invitation" 
> addressed to Regent Miklós Horthy from Hitler, commanding him to come to 
> the Schloss Klessheim. Here, the Germans convinced Horthy to keep the 
> Hungarians fighting in the war. Horthy had arrived the 18th of March, 
> and by that afternoon, Germany had already started "Operation 
> Margarete", the military occupation of Hungary. One speculates that 
> Horthy succumbed to the German demands because he was at an older age of 
> seventy-six, and did not have a strong enough will to defend himself 
> against Hitler. Horthy ended up agreeing to all of the Führer¹s demands. 
> By the time governor Horthy returned to his country, the Germans had 
> already successfully occupied Hungary without any opposition from the 
> Hungarian troops.
> 
> The two men responsible for the Hungarian occupation, Dieter Wisliceny 
> and A. Krumey, first met with the leaders of the Israelite Congregation 
> of Pest to discuss how the Germans were going to deal with the Jewry. 
> They assured the Congregation leaders that no harm or deportation would 
> occur if the Jews obediently followed their orders. Obviously, this was 
> only a ploy used to disguise their true intentions. Unfortunately, the 
> Jewish leaders bought into the deception; they felt optimistically that 
> they had reached some sort of understanding with the Germans.
> With the guard down, the Jews became easy victims for the Germans. The 
> Germans moved quickly into Hungary and by the end of March, 1944, they 
> had already detained 3,364 Jews from just the upper class alone , and a 
> month later, the number escalated to over 8,000. On March 29, the 
> Hungarian Council of Ministers also formed the three aforementioned 
> anti-Semitic decrees that stripped the Jews of whatever they had left. 
> The laws excluded from all basic necessities of living. They forbade 
> them from the professions of law, the press, motion picture and theater. 
> They could no longer ride in cars, taxies, trains, buses and ships; the 
> only mode of transportation left to them was the streetcar. Eventually, 
> even telephones and radios disappeared from Jewish households. However, 
> the Jews no longer cared about simple pleasures such as listening to the 
> radio; they were more concerned with staying alive from day to day. 
> Because the government froze or restricted their bank accounts, the Jews 
> could only have a nominal amount of money, which made even buying a meal 
> nearly impossible.
> 
> But, in its efforts to keep down the Hungarian Jewry, the quality of 
> Hungarian intellectual life and culture inevitably declined. Hungary 
> banned books from Jewish authors, such as Sigmund Freud, Karl Marx, 
> Marcel Proust, Theodor Herzl, Lajos Hatvany, Georg Lukács, and Zoltán 
> Zelk. The press became nothing more than another vehicle for the Nazis 
> to disseminate their ideology; the Hungarian fascists even came up with 
> an equivalent of the German der Stürmer, a publication called Harc, 
> meaning Battle. They had also set up an institution dealing with the 
> "Jewish Question", an establishment that systematically studied and 
> influenced the Hunagarian public opinion on Jews, much like the German 
> one.
> 
> In the early summer of 1944, Adolf Eichmann, head of a section in the 
> German Reich Head Security Office (Reichssicherheitshauptamt), and his 
> 200-men Sonderkommando deported the provincial Jews (about 437,000 
> people; half of the Jewish population in Hungary at the time) with the 
> support and help of other Hungarians‹clerks, soldiers, and policemen. 
> Eichmann found even more support in a pro-German Hungarian movement 
> headed by Döme Sztójay whom Horthy appointed prime minister under the 
> Germans¹ demands. Also at German insistence, Horthy appointed two 
> anti-Semitic state secretaries, László Endre and László Baky. The three 
> of them helped Eichmann realize the "final solution" in Hungary.
> Eichmann wanted to exterminate all Jews in Hungary in as little time as 
> possible. He ordered that all the prefects, mayors, gendarmerie 
> commanders, and other officials to round up all Jews, regardless of sex 
> or age, and execute them. Because the German occupations forces in 
> Hungary were few, the Hungarian local police and gendarmerie handled 
> most of the executions under the supervision of Eichmann. The 
> willingness of the Hungarians to participate in these genocide projects 
> depended heavily on the propaganda that the Germans fed to them. They 
> were often reminded that it was their patriotic duty to keep Hungary 
> Judenrein (Jew-clean). Since the Hungarians did nothing to prevent the 
> genocide, other forces had to intervene. President F. D. Roosevelt in 
> June of 1944 ordered the cessation of deportation, and the day before 
> that, the pope sent a personal plea to Horthy. British Foreign Secretary 
> Anthony Eden threatened action against the Hungarians if the brutality 
> continued. These personal pleas and warnings combined with the military 
> successes of the Allies eventually forced Horthy to cease the 
> deportations and dismissal of Endre and Baky. The Germans had already 
> planned a deportation of Budapest Jews starting in July, but these 
> efforts and events prevented this. If the deportation had occurred, 
> thousands of families would have perished. The deportations officially 
> ended on July 6, 1944. Possibly, the landing of Allied forces on the 
> shores of Normandy prompted this decision, or Horthyt may have reacted 
> form a fear of the Red Army who were quickly advancing into Hungary. 
> Without the cooperation of Horthy and other Hungarians, Eichmann¹s plans 
> could not continue. However, shortly after Horthy announced the 
> cease-fire, Ferenc Szálasi and the Arrow Cross Party members came to 
> power with the help of the Germans. The Arrow Cross Party was 
> responsible for the massacre and torture of hundreds of Jews daily. By 
> the time the Red Army overtook Hungary and put an end to the Arrow Cross 
> killings, Budapest had been completely razed. Due to the Holocaust and 
> emigration after the war, only 70,000 Jews remain in Budapest, a city in 
> which over 825,000 Jews inhabited at one time.
> 
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Eugene Holman


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philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
> news:MYKdnRLo1Yt8c1nbnZ2dnUVZ_qDinZ2d@comcast.com...
>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
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>>>
>>>> Here are Philip Mathews proof for the Holohoax!
>>>> He's claiming there are photos! Haha!
>>>> No Philip, these are cartons, drawings!
>>>> I blow them up a bit, to show!
>>>>
>>>> http://aycu11.webshots.com/image/26610/2003561995959884749_rs.jpg
>>>> http://aycu38.webshots.com/image/25597/2003567540543488594_rs.jpg
>>>> http://aycu24.webshots.com/image/26543/2003537157065296336_rs.jpg
>>> And they are, stupid!
>>>
>>> Thanks for showing everyone just how stupid.
>> They are not, idiot!
> 
> Most certainly are, stupid.
> 
> --
> Philip Mathews
> 
> 

These are drawings, don't prove any thing.
Artist fantasies!
JS



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ragland31@gmail.com wrote:
> On Aug 17, 7:09 am, Protagonist  wrote:
>> oneeyewo...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On 17 aug, 11:20, TurkeyBoy  wrote:
>>>> On Aug 17, 9:57 am, raglan...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> Did she wear a double brown shopping bag over her head?
>>> She proved that Irving is a nothing but liar.
>> She didn't prove any thing!
>> Judge called Irving a "history falsifier" and not a LIER, idiot!
>> JS
> 
> By any other name a rose is a rose. What's the difference between
> history falsifier and liar? Can you figure that one out?
> 
> Michael Ragland
> 

Lying is a 100% thing, falsifier is just changing things around!
JS



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Barry Davies wrote:
> In most of the German labor camps Jews in administration stole rations
> from their fellow prisoners. Prisoners involved in heavy labor and
> deprived of their rightful share of food didn't stand a chance. The
> result of this was thousands of needless deaths from malnutrition.
> 
> After the war those same prisoners who had so callously condemned
> their comrades to death sought to blame the Germans for their own
> crimes against humanity.
> 
> It is high-time the Jews own up and admit to the world that they, and
> they alone, (discounting disease) were the cause of the majority of
> deaths in concentration camps.
> 

Jewish inmates were also lazy to go out to the latrine, so they 
defecated  inside the barracks.
They were punished for that!
See Irma Grese story!
JS



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Chris C. Larson wrote:
> http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=2774119&page=1
> 

 >>According to the indictment, he allegedly possessed or attempted to 
possess "multiple images of child pornography" on his computer's hard 
drive.<<
attempted to possess - means he was downloading it! Haha!

WOW! He must've been targeted by Jews and secret service!
JS



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Sara Salzman wrote:
> In article <1LqdnQksJd6OMVjbnZ2dnUVZ_uKpnZ2d@comcast.com>,
>  Protagonist  wrote:
> 
>> oneeyewotan@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On 17 aug, 11:20, TurkeyBoy  wrote:
>>>> On Aug 17, 9:57 am, raglan...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Did she wear a double brown shopping bag over her head?
>>> She proved that Irving is a nothing but liar.
>>>
>>>
>> She didn't prove any thing!
>> Judge called Irving a "history falsifier" and not a LIER, idiot!
>> JS
> 
> The JUDGE called him a liar, idiot! AND a falsifier of history. AND an 
> anti-Semite.
> 
> In the end, it is, after all, what the Judge says that matters.
> 
> Sara
> 

Was the Judge a Jew?
JS


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Eugene Holman wrote:
> In article <1187364687.136087.150390@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
>  TurkeyBoy  wrote:
> 
>> On Aug 17, 10:27 am, oneeyewo...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On 17 aug, 11:20, TurkeyBoy  wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Aug 17, 9:57 am, raglan...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> Did she wear a double brown shopping bag over her head?
> 
> Her function was not to be pretty, but rather to be correct in her 
> accusations of professional malpractice.
> 
>>> She proved that Irving is a nothing but liar.
>> She proved nothing! She never took the stand :-)))))))))))
> 
> She didn't have to take the stand. The trial was about the veracity of 
> certain defamatory statements that she had made about David Irving in a 
> book first published in 1993. Her defense team was easily able to 
> demonstrate to the court that all of the claims, although undeniably 
> defamatory, had a basis in fact and that none of them were false or 
> unjustified. Thus, David Irving's claims that the defamatory statements 
> were also libelous were demonstrated to be unjustified.
> 
> Deborah Lipstadt accused David Irving of being a malpractitioner of the 
> historian's profession, and her defense was based on the strategy of 
> demonstrating that such accusations were fully justified by David 
> Irving's writings and public behavior.
> 
> Regards,
> Eugene Holman

It was like the OJ trial!
Lipstadt  armed with mega lawyers, costing big money vs. Irving 
defending him self alone.
Lipstadt never said a word, while Irving was doing all the talking.
Irving published the hole trial, Lipstadt censored every thing, typical Jew!
JS




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Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
> In article <13472-46C6C163-214@storefull-3155.bay.webtv.net>,
> Leading Revisionist Scholar Curly C  wrote:
>> As long as the Jews continue to believe that Arabs are nothing but dogs
>> and that Jesus is in hell buried in shit, than I doubt the hatred will
>> stop anytime soon. The Jews hate just as much or more, ask any
>> Palestinian or Christian.
> 
> Gosh, Leading Revisionist Scholar Curly C, I have met hundreds - if not thousands - of
> Jews, and have never heard any of them make comments about Arabs, Jesus, Palestinians or
> Christians that you attribute to them.
> 

Because your an analfabet, don't read media or watch TV, ignoramus McVay!
It's sticking out to any ones face, who pay attention.
JS




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http://cgi.ebay.com/1934-Ticket-for-Show-Proceeds-German-Jews-in-Palestine_W0QQitemZ300142538654QQihZ020QQcategoryZ41189QQcmdZViewItem

Hey Jews!
This ticket may be still can be used, don't miss it out, to support the 
German Jews to Palestine!
Not Israel, but to Palestine!
Go for it!!!
JS


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Kurt Knoll wrote:
> Well Joe we do not know all the facts but only what you are dishing as out. 
> Could it not be that Holland cite with the British first.
> 
> Kurt Knoll.

Live Bruno be Kurt!
At least once a year, he feels smart, intellectual the wrong way!
JS

> 
> 
> "Joe Bruno"  wrote in message 
> news:1187493155.318379.21300@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>> Topaz tells us repeatedly:
>>
>> Hitler wrote in Mein Kampf that the Jews tell big lies. The
>> Jewish media took his words out of context and claimed that Hitler
>> was
>> in favor of big lies.
>>
>>
>> Well, he invaded Holland after guaranteeing her neutrality:
>>
>>
>> http://www.ww2sites.com/?action=jump&page=nlnetherlands
>>
>>
>> He invaded the USSR after signing a non-aggression pact with Stalin:
>>
>>
>> http://www.faits-et-documents.com/bilan_communisme/nonaggression_pact...
>>
>>
>> He swindled the German people out of money for Volkswagens that were
>> never delievered and the money was never refunded:
>>
>>
>> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/227aca7bb5d9e4d0
>>
>>
>> He betrayed the Catholic Church after signing a treaty with the
>> Vatican:
>>
>>
>> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/17ff769f77793d6c
>>
>>
>> He perpetuated the Gleiwitz Fraud
>>
>>
>> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/a433c8ef6fc338fd
>>
>>
>> He repeatedly assured the world that he wanted peace, despite the
>> fact
>> that he invaded every country in Continental Europe with the
>> exception
>> of Spain, Sweden, and Switzerland. He also invaded North Africa.:
>>
>>
>> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/195ba1673076f9e4
>>
> 
> 


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Sara Salzman wrote:
> In article ,
>  Protagonist  wrote:
> 
>> Eugene Holman wrote:
>>> In article <1187364687.136087.150390@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
>>>  TurkeyBoy  wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Aug 17, 10:27 am, oneeyewo...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> On 17 aug, 11:20, TurkeyBoy  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Aug 17, 9:57 am, raglan...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> Did she wear a double brown shopping bag over her head?
>>> Her function was not to be pretty, but rather to be correct in her 
>>> accusations of professional malpractice.
>>>
>>>>> She proved that Irving is a nothing but liar.
>>>> She proved nothing! She never took the stand :-)))))))))))
>>> She didn't have to take the stand. The trial was about the veracity of 
>>> certain defamatory statements that she had made about David Irving in a 
>>> book first published in 1993. Her defense team was easily able to 
>>> demonstrate to the court that all of the claims, although undeniably 
>>> defamatory, had a basis in fact and that none of them were false or 
>>> unjustified. Thus, David Irving's claims that the defamatory statements 
>>> were also libelous were demonstrated to be unjustified.
>>>
>>> Deborah Lipstadt accused David Irving of being a malpractitioner of the 
>>> historian's profession, and her defense was based on the strategy of 
>>> demonstrating that such accusations were fully justified by David 
>>> Irving's writings and public behavior.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Eugene Holman
>> It was like the OJ trial!
>> Lipstadt  armed with mega lawyers, costing big money vs. Irving 
>> defending him self alone.
> 
> I hate to break it to you, but Irving wasn't the defendant. He was the 
> PLAINTIFF. If he didn't want thing to go that way, he should never have 
> SUED LIPSTADT in the first place.

Listadt started it all, printing crap about Irving!
JS

> 
>> Lipstadt never said a word, while Irving was doing all the talking.
>> Irving published the hole trial, Lipstadt censored every thing, typical Jew!
> 
> No she did not. So chalk that up to yet another of your lies.
>> JS
> 


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Eugene Holman wrote:
> In article ,
>  Protagonist  wrote:
> 
>> Sara Salzman wrote:
> 
> 
>>> I hate to break it to you, but Irving wasn't the defendant. He was the 
>>> PLAINTIFF. If he didn't want thing to go that way, he should never have 
>>> SUED LIPSTADT in the first place.
>> Listadt started it all, printing crap about Irving!
> 
> No. David Irving started it all by making a profession of writing crap 
> and having the chutzpah to peddle it as "real history". Deborah Lipstadt 
> did what any responsible member of the community of professional 
> historians would have done: she blew the whistle on him, claimed that he 
> was a malpracticing charlatan, and supported her claim  with easily 
> verified evidence from his writings and public behavior.
> 
> What she wrote was thus not "crap", otherwise David Irving would have won 
> the case, which he initiated. Almost everything Deborah Lipstadt had 
> written about David Irving's lack of professionalism, integrity, and 
> honesty as a historian, and about him using his sad excuse for history 
> to drive a pernicious political agenda was easily shown to be true by a 
> close examination of his writings and public behavior.
> 
> Claims that can easily be demonstrated to be true are, by definition, 
> not "crap". In his verdict, Judge Charles Gray actually chided Deborah 
> Lipstadt for having been far too demure in her professional criticism of 
> David Irving.
> 
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Eugene Holman

You are an idiot again Holman !
There was a relentless campaign to discredit Irving rather than debate 
him included the publication of a book "Denying the Holocaust" by 
Deborah Lipstadt, a scholar at Emory University in Georgia in which 
Lipstadt accused Irving of, among other things, distorting history to 
exonerate Hitler, denying the holocaust and consorting with the 
terrorist groups Hamas and Hezbollah.

An edition of Lipstadt's book was published in England whose libel laws 
require the accused to demonstrate that what they say is actually true.

One of the most unusual features of the trial was that David Irving 
chose to defend himself--no lawyers--against one of the most powerful 
and expensive legal teams the other side could put together. Princess 
Diana's own law firm assembled the Lipstadt team--it was truly a David 
and Goliath scenario--one brave little man striding naked into the ring 
against the biggest legal guns and armor that the deep-pocket defense 
team could fit into one courtroom.

Another David-Goliath detail was that both sides called upon expert 
witnesses who are required by law to be scrupulously neutral--in a 
British court an expert witness takes oath to provide expertise from 
their specialty without prejudice to either side. The experts that 
Irving called to the stand--some of them hostile to his cause!--were 
unpaid. The experts employed by Lipstadt & Company were paid--big 
bucks!. For instance, in addition to his academic salary, Professor 
Richard Evans, the primary expert witness called to the stand by 
Lipstadt & Company, pocketed more than $140,000 -- which financial 
windfall must surely have laid a heavy burden on Evans's moral struggle 
to provide under oath an expert testimony unprejudiced to either side. 
Lipstadt's primary expert on the holocaust, Professor Robert Jan Van 
Pelt, received more than $200,000 for his testimony.

The many millions of dollars amassed by Lipstadt's legal defense team to 
fight the lawyerless Irving were supplied by film-maker Steven Spielberg 
and financier Edgar Bronfman. Many of Spielberg's popular movies 
celebrate the triumph of the underdog but in real life Spielberg threw 
his weight on the side of the mighty Empire against the skillful lone rebel.

Another detail: Throughout the trial, which lasted two months, Deborah 
Lipstadt sat in silence--letting her large and impressive legal team do 
the talking for her. David Irving reports that Lipstadt refused to even 
meet his eye whenever he glanced in her direction.
JS




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Sara Salzman wrote:
> In article ,
>  Protagonist  wrote:
> 
>> Sara Salzman wrote:
>>> In article ,
>>>  Protagonist  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Eugene Holman wrote:
>>>>> In article <1187364687.136087.150390@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
>>>>>  TurkeyBoy  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Aug 17, 10:27 am, oneeyewo...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>> On 17 aug, 11:20, TurkeyBoy  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Aug 17, 9:57 am, raglan...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> Did she wear a double brown shopping bag over her head?
>>>>> Her function was not to be pretty, but rather to be correct in her 
>>>>> accusations of professional malpractice.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> She proved that Irving is a nothing but liar.
>>>>>> She proved nothing! She never took the stand :-)))))))))))
>>>>> She didn't have to take the stand. The trial was about the veracity of 
>>>>> certain defamatory statements that she had made about David Irving in a 
>>>>> book first published in 1993. Her defense team was easily able to 
>>>>> demonstrate to the court that all of the claims, although undeniably 
>>>>> defamatory, had a basis in fact and that none of them were false or 
>>>>> unjustified. Thus, David Irving's claims that the defamatory statements 
>>>>> were also libelous were demonstrated to be unjustified.
>>>>>
>>>>> Deborah Lipstadt accused David Irving of being a malpractitioner of the 
>>>>> historian's profession, and her defense was based on the strategy of 
>>>>> demonstrating that such accusations were fully justified by David 
>>>>> Irving's writings and public behavior.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Eugene Holman
>>>> It was like the OJ trial!
>>>> Lipstadt  armed with mega lawyers, costing big money vs. Irving 
>>>> defending him self alone.
>>> I hate to break it to you, but Irving wasn't the defendant. He was the 
>>> PLAINTIFF. If he didn't want thing to go that way, he should never have 
>>> SUED LIPSTADT in the first place.
>> Listadt started it all, printing crap about Irving!
>> JS
>>
> 
> Ah... the clever response of a three-year-old: "Mommy! She started it!"
> 
> Irving didn't have to sue her. It was his choice. He already had quite a 
> history of suing anyone -- or threatening to sue anyone -- who said 
> things he didn't like. 

Oh, Da innocent Jews again, with a financial empire behind them.
Of course he didn't have to sue, but Irving is a professional historian, 
he had to protect his credibility, which Lipstadt attacked.
Get it, Sara Shitman?
JS



> 
>>>> Lipstadt never said a word, while Irving was doing all the talking.
>>>> Irving published the hole trial, Lipstadt censored every thing, typical 
>>>> Jew!
>>> No she did not. So chalk that up to yet another of your lies.
>>>> JS
> 


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Eugene Holman wrote:
> In article ,
>  Protagonist  wrote:
> 
> 
>> It was like the OJ trial!
>> Lipstadt  armed with mega lawyers, costing big money 
> 
> That is generally what happens if a person is accused on false charges 
> in a foreign court of law. Doubly so if the co-defendant is one of the 
> world's largest and richest multinational corporations. It is obvious 
> tat Deborah Lipstadt had to hire people who know local legal traditions, 
> and that Penguin Books Ltd.  would do everything possible to ensure that 
> the case for the  defense was air-tight.


It's not obvious idiotsky! What is obvious that Lipstadt through in an 
army of lawyers and money against Irvin , who was lone bull.
They knew, if Irving would win the case the hole Holohoax industry would 
be in jeopardy.
 >>The many millions of dollars amassed by Lipstadt's legal defense team 
to fight the lawyerless Irving were supplied by film-maker Steven 
Spielberg and financier Edgar Bronfman. Many of Spielberg's popular 
movies celebrate the triumph of the underdog but in real life Spielberg 
threw his weight on the side of the mighty Empire against the skillful 
lone rebel.<<
JS



> 
> David Irving *knew* that he had been lying about history and thus 
> presenting the history-seeking public with a severely tainted product 
> for his entire career. He was as incredibly arrogant as he was stupid to 
> drag an author and her publisher into court to prevent the from 
> informing the public of his malpractice and charlatanry.
> 
>> vs. Irving 
>> defending him self alone.
> 
> It was David Irving's choice to:
> a. sue Deborah Lipstadt, requiring her to have a team of experts to 
> defend her position;
> b. argue his own case rather than use the services of a lawyer:
> c. have the case tried before a single judge rather than before a jury.
> 
>> Lipstadt never said a word, 
> 
> She didnt have to The trial was about the veracity of statements about 
> David Irving that she had made in a book published in 1993. The issue 
> was whether these statements were libelous or merely defamatory.
> 
>> while Irving was doing all the talking.
> 
> Which got him into hot water, most famously when he addressed Judge Gray 
> as "mein Führer". David Irving proved the truth of the old saw "a man 
> who defends himself in court has a fool as his lawyer".
> 
>> Irving published the hole trial, Lipstadt censored every thing, typical Jew!
> 
> Why should both sides publish the same material? Deborah Lipstadt 
> subsequently wrote a book about the trial.
> 
> Regards,
> Eugene Holman


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There was a scorched earth policy on both sides during the war, Russian 
and German, retardo Bruno.
Why don't you read in the Russian policy too, why only the German?
JS


Joe Bruno wrote:
> 
> 
> Demolitions on Reich territory
> "Nero Decree"
> 
> 
> High Command of the Armed Forces
> (Operations Staff)
> March 19, 1945.
> 
> 
> Subject: Demolitions on Reich territory
> 
> 
> The struggle for the existence of our people compels us, even within
> the territory of the Reich, to exploit every means of weakening the
> fighting strength of our enemy, and impeding his further advance.
> Every opportunity must be taken of inflicting, directly or
> indirectly,
> the utmost lasting damage on the striking power of the enemy. It is a
> mistake to think that transport and communication facilities,
> industrial establishments and supply depots, which have not been
> destroyed, or have only been temporarily put out of action, can be
> used again for our own ends when the lost territory has been
> recovered. The enemy will leave us nothing but scorched earth when he
> withdraws, without paying the slightest regard to the population. I
> therefore order:
> 
> 
> 1. All military transport, and communication, facilities, industrial
> establishments and supply depots, as well as anything else of value
> within Reich territory, which could in any way be used by the enemy
> immediately or within the foreseeable future for the prosecution of
> the war, will be destroyed.
> 
> 
> 2. The following are responsible for carrying out these demolitions:
> 
> 
> The military commanders, for all military establishments, including
> the transport and communications network; the Gauleiters and Reich
> Commissioners for Defense, for all industrial establishments and
> supply depots, and anything else of value. The troops are to give to
> Gauleiters and Reich Commissioners for Defense such help as they
> require to carry out their tasks.
> 
> 
> 3. This order will be made known to all officers commanding troops as
> quickly as possible. Directives to the contrary are invalid.
> 
> 
> signed:
> Adolf Hitler
> 


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Joe Bruno wrote:
> 
> 
>>From "The Rise and Fall of The Third Reich", May 1992 edition, page
> 
> 
> 338:
> 
> Every morning, the editors of the Berlin daily newspapers and the
> correspondents of those published elsewhere in the Reich gathered at
> the Propaganda Ministry to be told by Dr Goebbels or one of his aides
> what news to print and suppress, how to write the news and headline
> it,
> what campaigns to call off or institute, and what editorials were
> desired for the day. In case of any misunderstanding, a daily written
> directive was furnished along with the oral instructions.

Well, seems that was a good thing to do Bruno, because if you continue 
to the next page pg.339, list all the Jewish media publishers that went 
out of business, result of it.
Like the 230 year old Vossische Zeitung, owned by Jewish firm House of 
Ullstein!
Gobels knew what he was doing.


> 
> 
> 
>>From page 333: On the evening of May 10, 1933, a bookburning ceremony
> 
> 
> had taken place throughout the Reich under the approving eye of Dr
> Goebbels.

Other book burnings!
JS

http://www.ronaldbrucemeyer.com/rants/0510almanac.htm

The Nazis were neither the first nor the most comprehensive book-burners 
in history. The rationale never changes, but the irony of censorship by 
book-burning remains the same: you have to inflict the harm (read the 
book) before you can judge that harm can be inflicted.

Before he died in 210 BCE, Chinese Emperor Qin Shi Huang () — who 
created and then buried the famous Terra Cotta Warriors in Xi'an, China 
— ordered the burning of most extant books (for reasons of national 
security, of course); just to be sure, he had the leading scholars 
executed, too. In Christendom, Pope Innocent II in 1140 had the writings 
of 11th century French philosopher and theologian, Peter Abélard burned 
for heresy. In 1205 Saint Dominic, founder of the Dominican Order, while 
traveling among the Albigensian heretics, supervised the burning of 
heretical books. In 1240, the Bishops of France persuaded King Louis IX 
to burn the collection of Jewish civil and ceremonial law known as the 
Talmud — the Dominicans, or "hounds of the Lord," were only too happy to 
comply. Pope Gregory IX issued a bull in 1239, encouraging the burning 
of the Talmud everywhere.

John Calvin was probably the most efficient: in 1600, when he burned 
Michael Servetus at the stake for heresy, and "around his waist were 
tied a large bundle of manuscript and a thick octavo printed book" 
(according to Osler). When the British burned the US Capitol in 1814, 
the entire Library of Congress collection was lost; it was rebuilt a 
year later from the personal library of Freethinker Thomas Jefferson. 
The largest single act of book burning in modern history took place on 
25 August 1992, when the Oriental Institute (Orijentalni institut) in 
Sarajevo was attacked by Serb nationalist forces, who immolated the 
National and University Library of Bosnia, destroying a priceless 
collection of 5,263 bound manuscripts and hundreds of thousands of 
Ottoman documents.

Some book burnings, like the burning of the Talmud, were not so solely 
aimed at stamping out ideas but for a more nefarious purpose: 
suppressing a culture. A notorious illustration of this was in July of 
1562, when Bishop Diego de Landa burned five thousand idols and 27 
hieroglyphic rolls at Mani in the Yucatán. He is the main reason that so 
few samples of Mayan hieroglyphs survive, yet the bishop blithely 
observed, "We found a large number of these books in these characters 
and, as they contained nothing in which there was not to be seen 
superstition and lies of the devil, we burned them all, which they 
regretted to an amazing degree and which caused them great affliction."

Other religions took a leaf from the Christian playbook: In early March 
2001, about 200 right-wing Hindus burned copies of Muslim Korans and 
tore up posters of Islamic shrines in New Delhi. Muslims protested in 
retaliation. In January 2001, after pressure from Islamic 
fundamentalists, the Egyptian Ministry of Culture burned 6,000 books of 
homoerotic poetry by Abu Nuwas. In May 1981 Sinhalese police officers 
burned the public library of Jaffna, northern Sri Lanka, destroying 
97,000 books in the second largest library in Asia.

The most famous recent book burning involved the 1988 novel The Satanic 
Verses, by Salman Rushdie, based on Muhammad’s life: in December 1988 
and January 1989 British Muslims burned the novel in Bolton and 
Bradford. Not satisfied with that, the Islamic Defence Council demanded 
that Penguin Books apologize, withdraw the book, destroy any extant 
copies, and promise never to reprint it; just to be sure, some 
translators were murdered. On 14 February 2006, Iran’s official state 
news agency reported, on the anniversary of the 1989 Khomeini fatwa, 
that the government-run Martyrs Foundation had announced, "The fatwa by 
Imam Khomeini in regards to the apostate Salman Rushdie will be in 
effect forever." A bounty of $2.8 million remains on his head.

But Christianity has a longer history of defending an all-powerful deity 
by shielding the mind from strange ideas: The Roman Catholic Index 
librorum prohibitorum, or Index of Forbidden Books — established at the 
Council of Trent in 1557 and allowed to lapse only in 1966 — was in fact 
supplanted by Canon Law: Catholics are still not allowed to read books 
likely to disturb their comfortable faith.

Recalling not only the book-burnings of 20 years earlier, but 
criticizing the anti-intellectual McCarthyism of his own day, Ray 
Bradbury's 1953 science fiction novel Fahrenheit 451 (named for the 
temperature at which book paper burns), envisioned a dystopia in which 
government agents, called "firemen," are assigned to burn books likely 
to disturb their citizens' peace of mind. It's the same old story as 
when the Nazis burned books on this date in 1933: "We know better than 
you do what's good for you to read."

> 


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Sara Salzman wrote:
> In article ,
>  Protagonist  wrote:
> 
>> Sara Salzman wrote:
>>> In article ,
>>>  Protagonist  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sara Salzman wrote:
>>>>> In article ,
>>>>>  Protagonist  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Eugene Holman wrote:
>>>>>>> In article <1187364687.136087.150390@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
>>>>>>>  TurkeyBoy  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Aug 17, 10:27 am, oneeyewo...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 17 aug, 11:20, TurkeyBoy  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 17, 9:57 am, raglan...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Did she wear a double brown shopping bag over her head?
>>>>>>> Her function was not to be pretty, but rather to be correct in her 
>>>>>>> accusations of professional malpractice.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> She proved that Irving is a nothing but liar.
>>>>>>>> She proved nothing! She never took the stand :-)))))))))))
>>>>>>> She didn't have to take the stand. The trial was about the veracity of 
>>>>>>> certain defamatory statements that she had made about David Irving in a 
>>>>>>> book first published in 1993. Her defense team was easily able to 
>>>>>>> demonstrate to the court that all of the claims, although undeniably 
>>>>>>> defamatory, had a basis in fact and that none of them were false or 
>>>>>>> unjustified. Thus, David Irving's claims that the defamatory statements 
>>>>>>> were also libelous were demonstrated to be unjustified.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Deborah Lipstadt accused David Irving of being a malpractitioner of the 
>>>>>>> historian's profession, and her defense was based on the strategy of 
>>>>>>> demonstrating that such accusations were fully justified by David 
>>>>>>> Irving's writings and public behavior.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Eugene Holman
>>>>>> It was like the OJ trial!
>>>>>> Lipstadt  armed with mega lawyers, costing big money vs. Irving 
>>>>>> defending him self alone.
>>>>> I hate to break it to you, but Irving wasn't the defendant. He was the 
>>>>> PLAINTIFF. If he didn't want thing to go that way, he should never have 
>>>>> SUED LIPSTADT in the first place.
>>>> Listadt started it all, printing crap about Irving!
>>>> JS
>>>>
>>> Ah... the clever response of a three-year-old: "Mommy! She started it!"
>>>
>>> Irving didn't have to sue her. It was his choice. He already had quite a 
>>> history of suing anyone -- or threatening to sue anyone -- who said 
>>> things he didn't like. 
>> Oh, Da innocent Jews again, with a financial empire behind them.
>> Of course he didn't have to sue, but Irving is a professional historian, 
>> he had to protect his credibility, which Lipstadt attacked.
> 
> No, Irving is a professional liar, as stated by the Judge and upheld by 
> a three-Judge panel.

No he's not!
His countering Jewish lies and propaganda, idiot!
Because you're a Jew, that's the position you taking up.
Any one discredit Jew lies, must be lier and anti-Semite, must be attacked.
Seen it on US media all the time.

> 
> Irving is also a professional anti-Semite, as stated and upheld by the 
> same courts.
> 
> 
>> Get it, Sara Shitman?
> 
> Again, the childish response of a three-year-old.
> 
> At least Julius is consistent.
> 
> (Julius... isn't that a Jewish name?)

Was Julius Ceasar a Jew?
Think!
JS

> 
>> JS
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>> Lipstadt never said a word, while Irving was doing all the talking.
>>>>>> Irving published the hole trial, Lipstadt censored every thing, typical 
>>>>>> Jew!
>>>>> No she did not. So chalk that up to yet another of your lies.
>>>>>> JS
> 


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TurkeyBoy wrote:
> On Aug 19, 1:04 pm, Sara Salzman  wrote:
> 
>> Irving is also a professional anti-Semite, as stated and upheld by the
>> same courts.
> 
> Be careful with the ant-Semite accusation. It may be OK for a judge in
> England to say something that biased.
> 
> You know what happened to ADL in Colorado :-)
> 
> Some of you claim that Irving is Jewish. How could he be an anti-
> Semite?
> 
> What is an anti-Semite?
> 
> Is it someone zionazis hate?
> 
> 

She's so ignorant, she doesn't know!
Sara Shitman is Jew and she's programed to say things like,
your an anti-Semite, Nazi, Jew hater etc...
She thinks the hole WW2 was about the Jews.
I grew up in Europe, never knew any one any one Jewish, never even 
thought about it, until later here in Jewnited States, every one gets 
bombarded by them.
If you think of it, even Germany had only some 600,000 Jewish citizens 
out of the 60 million Germans, 1%, before WW2.
Hole Europe had less than 5 million, out of the 250 million.
But this minority wants to run the hole word financially and very 
arrogant about doing it.
JS


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> Hey Jews!
> This ticket may be still can be used, don't miss it out, to support the 
> German Jews to Palestine!
> Not Israel, but to Palestine!
> Go for it!!!
> JS

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Eugene Holman wrote:
> In article ,
>  Protagonist  wrote:
> 
>> Eugene Holman wrote:
>>> In article ,
>>>  Protagonist  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>> It was like the OJ trial!
>>>> Lipstadt  armed with mega lawyers, costing big money 
>>> That is generally what happens if a person is accused on false charges 
>>> in a foreign court of law. Doubly so if the co-defendant is one of the 
>>> world's largest and richest multinational corporations. It is obvious 
>>> that Deborah Lipstadt had to hire people who know local legal traditions, 
>>> and that Penguin Books Ltd.  would do everything possible to ensure that 
>>> the case for the  defense was air-tight.
>>
>> It's not obvious idiotsky! 
> 
> It is quite obvious. If you sue somebody in a foreign court and her 
> co-defendant is a rich multinational, you can expect that you will be 
> facing a robust legal team. If you make the decision to counter this by 
> presenting your case by yourself with no lawyer or legal team, you are 
> incredibly stupid. 

It's not stupidity, but question of money. Lawyers cost money and in 
high flying case like this one, it cost a lot.
Irving had wealth of historical knowledge, smartness, but limited on money!
Even in defeat, Irving achieved a victory of sorts, for now every word 
of Irving's battle is recorded for posterity at various locations on the 
Internet, opening the debate to professional historians who can form 
their own judgements based not on newspaper accounts but on the actual 
events themselves. Teachers, students and mere intellectual sports fans 
have now available a rich source of unfiltered first-hand information 
>from which they can draw their own conclusions. For students seeking to 
understand how free speech can be silenced in modern times there is 
material here for a thousand PhD theses.


Deborah Lipstadt accused David Irving of
> malpracticing the profession of historian. He showed the court that he 
> was just as eager to malpractice the profession of courtoom lawyer.

In her book, Lipstadt had accused Irving of distorting history to 
exonerate Hitler. Here is how Irving describes his attitude towards 
Hitler's guilt:

 >> I have always accepted that Adolf Hitler, as Head of State and 
government in Germany, was responsible for the Holocaust. I said, in the 
Introduction to my flagship biography, "Hitler's War": " If this 
biography were simply a history of the rise and fall of Hitler's Reich, 
it would be legitimate to conclude: "Hitler killed the Jews". But my 
years of investigations suggested that many others were responsible, 
that the chain of responsibility was not as clear cut as that." Nothing 
that I have heard in this Court since January 11th has persuaded me that 
I was wrong on this account. <<

This hardly sounds like Irving is exonerating Hitler. But Judge Gray 
ruled otherwise.
So despite David's winning (in my opinion) most of his battles, it was 
Goliath that won the war.

> 
>> What is obvious that Lipstadt through in an 
>> army of lawyers and money against Irvin , who was lone bull.
> 
> He initiated the trial. He should have known that if you sue a major 
> international corporation like Penguin Books Ltd. you are going to face 
> a top-notch legal team. His thinking that he could outwit the legal team 
> put together by a foreign academic and a major multinational 
> corproration when he was clearly in the wrong and they were just as 
> clearly in the right was chutzpah revved up to the highest possible 
> amperage. If you do such things as constantly and habitually manipulate 
> dates, fabricate evidence, and lie about history, you are quite a fool 
> if you think that you can successfully sue somebody for pblowing the 
> whistle on you and an even greater fool if you think that you can trick 
> the court into ignoring clear and indisputable evidence of your 
> unprofessional behavior.
> 
>> They knew, if Irving would win the case the hole Holohoax industry would 
>> be in jeopardy.
> 
> Nonsense. The only issue that was at stake was David Irving's 
> credibility as a historian. Then Holocaust was not the main issue at the 
> trial, but rather David Irving's professionalism and credibility, or 
> lack thereof, as a historian.

BS! Holohoax was part of it, Judge Gray even called Irving a denier and 
ani-Semite.

> 
>>  >>The many millions of dollars amassed by Lipstadt's legal defense team 
>> to fight the lawyerless Irving were supplied by film-maker Steven 
>> Spielberg and financier Edgar Bronfman. Many of Spielberg's popular 
>> movies celebrate the triumph of the underdog but in real life Spielberg 
>> threw his weight on the side of the mighty Empire against the skillful 
>> lone rebel.<<
> 
> If a "lone rebel" decides to sue a major international corporation and 
> present his case with no lawyer, he is asking for trouble. 

Listadt hardly a giant, but Jewish money supporting her.
Her book was published in England, so Irving had a the right to sue.
Irving had good faith and the truth behind him.
In a British court, which is anti-German, anti-Nazi, Irving had an 
uphill battle to fight, since he was against establishments.
That's why Irving is a hero!


It's kind of
> like deciding to take a piss on the face of a sleeping lion with no 
> concern for the likely consequences, and then complaining that you were 
> clawed. But then again, this is the kind of behavior we have learned to 
> expect from David "who me responsible for my behavior?" Irving. This is 
> a man who announced to the Internet community that he was going to enter 
> Austria illegally to violate its laws once again, and was then 
> "surprised" and "outraged" when he was duly apprehended, arrested, 
> tried, convicted, sentenced, and imprisoned by the Austrian authorities.

he was testing the law. There many laws out there, but not enforced.
I'm surprised, you call your self an academic and a simple thing like 
this you don't understand.
Shame for the Austrians. Reminds me of the communist dictator ship 
thought control.
You should be ashamed yourself supporting it.
JS

> 
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Eugene Holman


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Sara Salzman wrote:
> In article <8tmdnYFU3KzUs1XbnZ2dnUVZ_jKdnZ2d@comcast.com>,
>  Protagonist  wrote:
> 
>> Sara Salzman wrote:
>>> In article ,
>>>  Protagonist  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sara Salzman wrote:
>>>>> In article ,
>>>>>  Protagonist  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Sara Salzman wrote:
>>>>>>> In article ,
>>>>>>>  Protagonist  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Eugene Holman wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In article <1187364687.136087.150390@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
>>>>>>>>>  TurkeyBoy  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 17, 10:27 am, oneeyewo...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 17 aug, 11:20, TurkeyBoy  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 17, 9:57 am, raglan...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Did she wear a double brown shopping bag over her head?
>>>>>>>>> Her function was not to be pretty, but rather to be correct in her 
>>>>>>>>> accusations of professional malpractice.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> She proved that Irving is a nothing but liar.
>>>>>>>>>> She proved nothing! She never took the stand :-)))))))))))
>>>>>>>>> She didn't have to take the stand. The trial was about the veracity 
>>>>>>>>> of 
>>>>>>>>> certain defamatory statements that she had made about David Irving in 
>>>>>>>>> a 
>>>>>>>>> book first published in 1993. Her defense team was easily able to 
>>>>>>>>> demonstrate to the court that all of the claims, although undeniably 
>>>>>>>>> defamatory, had a basis in fact and that none of them were false or 
>>>>>>>>> unjustified. Thus, David Irving's claims that the defamatory 
>>>>>>>>> statements 
>>>>>>>>> were also libelous were demonstrated to be unjustified.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Deborah Lipstadt accused David Irving of being a malpractitioner of 
>>>>>>>>> the 
>>>>>>>>> historian's profession, and her defense was based on the strategy of 
>>>>>>>>> demonstrating that such accusations were fully justified by David 
>>>>>>>>> Irving's writings and public behavior.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>> Eugene Holman
>>>>>>>> It was like the OJ trial!
>>>>>>>> Lipstadt  armed with mega lawyers, costing big money vs. Irving 
>>>>>>>> defending him self alone.
>>>>>>> I hate to break it to you, but Irving wasn't the defendant. He was the 
>>>>>>> PLAINTIFF. If he didn't want thing to go that way, he should never have 
>>>>>>> SUED LIPSTADT in the first place.
>>>>>> Listadt started it all, printing crap about Irving!
>>>>>> JS
>>>>>>
>>>>> Ah... the clever response of a three-year-old: "Mommy! She started it!"
>>>>>
>>>>> Irving didn't have to sue her. It was his choice. He already had quite a 
>>>>> history of suing anyone -- or threatening to sue anyone -- who said 
>>>>> things he didn't like. 
>>>> Oh, Da innocent Jews again, with a financial empire behind them.
>>>> Of course he didn't have to sue, but Irving is a professional historian, 
>>>> he had to protect his credibility, which Lipstadt attacked.
>>> No, Irving is a professional liar, as stated by the Judge and upheld by 
>>> a three-Judge panel.
>> No he's not!
>> His countering Jewish lies and propaganda, idiot!
>> Because you're a Jew, that's the position you taking up.
> 
> Judge Gray was not Jewish. Neither were the three judges who upheld his 
> verdict.
> 
> 
>> Any one discredit Jew lies, must be lier and anti-Semite, must be attacked.
>> Seen it on US media all the time.
> 
> What a vivid fantasy life you have, Julius.
>>> Irving is also a professional anti-Semite, as stated and upheld by the 
>>> same courts.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Get it, Sara Shitman?
>>> Again, the childish response of a three-year-old.
>>>
>>> At least Julius is consistent.
>>>
>>> (Julius... isn't that a Jewish name?)
>> Was Julius Ceasar a Jew?
>> Think!
> 
> Was Julius Marx?

Jews take any name to cover their real being!
That's why Hitler ordered Jews in Germany had to take up a middle name, 
for man "Israel" and for females "Sara", to be recognized.
JS

> 
>> JS
>>
>>>> JS
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>> Lipstadt never said a word, while Irving was doing all the talking.
>>>>>>>> Irving published the hole trial, Lipstadt censored every thing, 
>>>>>>>> typical 
>>>>>>>> Jew!
>>>>>>> No she did not. So chalk that up to yet another of your lies.
>>>>>>>> JS
> 


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Sara Salzman wrote:
> In article ,
>  Protagonist  wrote:
> 
>> TurkeyBoy wrote:
>>> On Aug 19, 1:04 pm, Sara Salzman  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Irving is also a professional anti-Semite, as stated and upheld by the
>>>> same courts.
>>> Be careful with the ant-Semite accusation. It may be OK for a judge in
>>> England to say something that biased.
>>>
>>> You know what happened to ADL in Colorado :-)
>>>
>>> Some of you claim that Irving is Jewish. How could he be an anti-
>>> Semite?
>>>
>>> What is an anti-Semite?
>>>
>>> Is it someone zionazis hate?
>>>
>>>
>> She's so ignorant, she doesn't know!
>> Sara Shitman is Jew and she's programed to say things like,
>> your an anti-Semite, Nazi, Jew hater etc...
> 
> When have I ever said anything of the sort, Julius?
> 
>> She thinks the hole WW2 was about the Jews.
> 
> When have I ever said anything of the sort, Julius? Why do you lie?
> 
>> I grew up in Europe, never knew any one any one Jewish, never even 
>> thought about it, until later here in Jewnited States, every one gets 
>> bombarded by them.
> 
> I also lived in Europe. Maybe the reason who never know anyone Jewish is 
> because your beloved Nazis killed them all.

Bull shit! They all moved to other parts of the world and live happily 
after.

> 
>> If you think of it, even Germany had only some 600,000 Jewish citizens 
>> out of the 60 million Germans, 1%, before WW2.
> 
> ot according to the Nazis.

Not according to the Nazis!
Some time look in the Almanac, Sara Da intellectual.
> 
>> Hole Europe had less than 5 million, out of the 250 million.
> 
> Not according to the Nazis.

What the hell you talking about?
Europe had some 4.7 million Jews, that's why most revisionist 
questioning the 6 million figure.

> 
>> But this minority wants to run the hole word financially and very 
>> arrogant about doing it.
> 
> Really? Tell us how all those shtetl Jews in Poland and Russia were 
> wanting to "tun the hole [sic] world financially?

These are American Jews, running all the financial institutions in US.
Rothschild's running bank of England since the Napoleonic wars, than 
took over the French banking and by 1913 the American Central banking.
Have you noticed, the head of the US Fed. Reserve privet bank all ways a 
Jew?
At present is Ben Shalom Bernanke, Jewish, for a long time Alan 
Greenspan was the chairman, Jewish also.
There are 12 Jewish senators out of the 100, when there are only 5 
million Jews  in the US.
JS






>> JS
> 


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Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
> In article <37idnfWjK-yp0FXbnZ2dnUVZ_v2unZ2d@comcast.com>,
> Leading Revisionist Scholar Szaki Protagonist   wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
>> Irving had wealth of historical knowledge, smartness, but limited on money!
>> Even in defeat, Irving achieved a victory of sorts, for now every word 
>> of Irving's battle is recorded for posterity at various locations on the 
>> Internet, opening the debate to professional historians who can form 
>> their own judgements based not on newspaper accounts but on the actual 
>> events themselves. 
> 
> Let's see what one professional historian concluded, shall we? 
> 
> "Irving's source Ingrid Weckert thus turned out to be an antisemitic
> propagandist who had been sentenced for her antisemitic and pro-Nazi
> outpourings. No wonder that Irving concealed the true identity of his
> source from his readers and withheld full references to her work from
> his footnotes." (Richard Evans, "Lying About Hitler," New York: Basic 
> Books, 2001. p. 67)
> 
> "Irving again seemed to have taken some of the details from Ingrid
> Weckert, this time however without acknowledging his debt to her in
> any way for once again the Discovery process had yielded a copy of her
> article from Irving's private collection with the tell-tale pencil
> marks in the margin." (Ibid., 68)
> 
> "What Irving failed to tell his readers is that, once more, he had
> taken information from the notorious Ingrid Weckert, including the
> figure of one hundred thousand Jewish shops. Not one of these claims
> was accurate." (Ibid., 69)
> 
> "It was clear after I had examined Irving's use of historical sources
> in his depiction of the anti-Jewish outrages of 9-10 November 1938
> that he falsely attributed conclusions to reliable sources, bending
> them to hit his arguments. He relied on material that turned out
> directly to contradict his arguments when it was checked. He quoted
> from sources in a manner that distorted their authors' meaning and
> purposes. He misrepresented data and skewed documents. He used
> insignificant and sometimes implausible pieces of evidence to dismiss
> more substantial evidence that did not support his thesis. He ignored
> or deliberately suppressed material when it ran counter to his
> arguments. When he was unable to do this, he expressed implausible
> doubts about its reliability.
> 
> "Irving did all this, it seemed to me, in order to minimize and
> trivialize the violence and destruction visited by the Nazis upon the
> Jewish community in Germany, and above all to dissociate Hitler
> completely from these events. Irving's conclusions wwere completely
> untenable." (Ibid., 67-70)

That's your opinion. Far as i know Irving had quit a large collection of 
historical documents from WW2, author of some 30 books, best sellers on 
historical events, visited and bought some of the Soviet archives etc...
Irving said: he is not an expert on the subject of Holocau$t, but an 
expert on history.
That he used some of the material from Ingrid Weckert, may be he did, 
historians quote all kinds of people.
To find documents, proofs for historical events from WW2 after 60 years 
is very difficult, I think the Nazis destroyed or hide many, Allies 
boxed up most and shipped it away etc...
We just found out lately, millions of files from the labor camps sitting 
in Berlin, stored away.
For 60 years historians juggling numbers how many people died in the 
camps and now here it is.
Germans kept record of every thing, even the size of lice found on inmates.
JS

> 


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Joe Bruno wrote:
> On Aug 19, 9:42 am, Topaz  wrote:
>> Here are parts of a speech by Dr. Joseph Goebbels,
> 
> WHO THE FUCK CARES?

Hahaha! Bruno Da Intellect!

He can only understand simple math,
like 6 million - 4 million= still 6 million
JS

> 


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george wrote:
> On Aug 19, 4:59 pm, Protagonist  wrote:
> 
> 
>> Listadt started it all, printing crap about Irving!
> 
> Irving (a nazi sympathiser claiming to be a historian).published a
> number of books about WW2
> He was caught out by Ms Listadt  who published the errors,omissions
> and race hatred endemic in Irvings writings
> in his stupidity he attempted to sue Ms Listadt..
> The judge found her account to be defamatory but correct
> 
> 
> 
> 
So you mean judges are all ways correct, even does who jail innocent 
victims? Don't say never happened!
Judge Gray is British idiot, giving right to Irving, would be like 
officially admitting the Holohax is a lie.
He had to loose!
JS




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Chris C. Larson wrote:
> On Aug 19, 6:25 pm, "Kurt Knoll"  wrote:
>> Yes Jews  cheating , lying and intimidating others will get you nowhere. Is
>> it not time for the Jews to stand on their own feet facing reality instead
>> of steady hate mongering.
>>
>> Kurt Knoll.
>>
>> "Joe Bruno"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:1187557373.378212.63990@m37g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>>> William F. Buckley wrote a  treatise in book form called
>>> "In Search of Anti-Semitism".
>>> He cites the accusations of Anti-semitism directed at several
>>> prominent people in the USA, then examines the evidence
>>> for and against the label.
>>> His conclusions are interesting. The thing that impressed me was the
>>> reasoning he used to reach his conclusions.
>>> If anyone still needs proof of the man's exceptional intelligence, he
>>> can find it there.
>>> Since anti-Semitism appears to be rampant here on ar, the book is
>>> definitely relevant.- Hide quoted text -
>> - Show quoted text -
> 
> Buckely is not Jewish, you dull fuck!
> 
> (note to myself: why do I even respond do this derelict?)
> 

He's a Skull&Bone guy,  1 year in 1951 served in CIA.
He's a Irish Catholic descent,  Aloise Steiner, a Southerner of 
Swiss-German descent.
All though he is a conservative, when he started he's paper National 
Review, he had not less than 7 Jewish editor working for him.
He's also strong supporter of Senator Joe Lieberman, who's Jewish.
JS


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Joe Bruno wrote:
> William F. Buckley wrote a  treatise in book form called
> "In Search of Anti-Semitism".
> 
> He cites the accusations of Anti-semitism directed at several
> prominent people in the USA, then examines the evidence
> for and against the label.
> 
> His conclusions are interesting. The thing that impressed me was the
> reasoning he used to reach his conclusions.
> If anyone still needs proof of the man's exceptional intelligence, he
> can find it there.
> 
> Since anti-Semitism appears to be rampant here on ar, the book is
> definitely relevant.
> 

What's that got to do with Da Holocau$t, Bluto?
Every one one way or the other anti-Semite Bluto,
you can only blame your diamond dealing, money horeing tribe!
Now days, one can't even take shit or drink a cup of water or soon 
breath the air without paying interest!
JS



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george wrote:
> On Aug 20, 9:23 am, Protagonist  wrote:
> 
> 
>> That's your opinion. Far as i know Irving had quit a large collection of
>> historical documents from WW2, author of some 30 books, best sellers on
>> historical events, visited and bought some of the Soviet archives etc...
>> Irving said: he is not an expert on the subject of Holocau$t, but an
>> expert on history.
> 
> No. He was proven to be a nazi sympathiser with all that that entails

So, what you trying to say Mr. Idiotsky, Lipstadt is not a Semite, 
Jewish sympathizer?
She is a f***** Jew!
Of course Irving is a pro-Nazi, what's your problem with it?
I like my steake raw, why you accusing me of cannibalism?
Idiot!
JS


> 
> 
>> That he used some of the material from Ingrid Weckert, may be he did,
>> historians quote all kinds of people.
>> To find documents, proofs for historical events from WW2 after 60 years
>> is very difficult, I think the Nazis destroyed or hide many, Allies
>> boxed up most and shipped it away etc...
> 
> No
>> We just found out lately, millions of files from the labor camps sitting
>> in Berlin, stored away.
> 
> No. Try Bad Arolsen
> 
>> For 60 years historians juggling numbers how many people died in the
>> camps and now here it is.
>> Germans kept record of every thing, even the size of lice found on inmates.
> 
> And these documents are kept at Bad Arolsen detailing such things as
> train timetables and gas chamber building
> 


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Sara Salzman wrote:
> In article ,
>  Protagonist  wrote:
> 
>> Sara Salzman wrote:
>>> In article ,
>>>  Protagonist  wrote:
>>>
>>>> TurkeyBoy wrote:
>>>>> On Aug 19, 1:04 pm, Sara Salzman  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Irving is also a professional anti-Semite, as stated and upheld by the
>>>>>> same courts.
>>>>> Be careful with the ant-Semite accusation. It may be OK for a judge in
>>>>> England to say something that biased.
>>>>>
>>>>> You know what happened to ADL in Colorado :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Some of you claim that Irving is Jewish. How could he be an anti-
>>>>> Semite?
>>>>>
>>>>> What is an anti-Semite?
>>>>>
>>>>> Is it someone zionazis hate?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> She's so ignorant, she doesn't know!
>>>> Sara Shitman is Jew and she's programed to say things like,
>>>> your an anti-Semite, Nazi, Jew hater etc...
>>> When have I ever said anything of the sort, Julius?
>>>
>>>> She thinks the hole WW2 was about the Jews.
>>> When have I ever said anything of the sort, Julius? Why do you lie?
>>>
>>>> I grew up in Europe, never knew any one any one Jewish, never even 
>>>> thought about it, until later here in Jewnited States, every one gets 
>>>> bombarded by them.
>>> I also lived in Europe. Maybe the reason who never know anyone Jewish is 
>>> because your beloved Nazis killed them all.
>> Bull shit! They all moved to other parts of the world and live happily 
>> after.
>>
>>>> If you think of it, even Germany had only some 600,000 Jewish citizens 
>>>> out of the 60 million Germans, 1%, before WW2.
>>> Not according to the Nazis.
>> Not according to the Nazis!
>> Some time look in the Almanac, Sara Da intellectual.
> 
> Some time learn how Almanac figures are compiled, Julius.

Uh! Now the Almanac is lying! Numbers don't fit Jewish lies!
> 
>>>> Hole Europe had less than 5 million, out of the 250 million.
>>> Not according to the Nazis.
>> What the hell you talking about?
> 
> I'm talking about the Nazis. You know them, they're the ones who claimed 
> that there were more than 11 million Jews in Europe.

You are talking about, may be at the hight of the Third Reich occupied 
territories, including the Eastern and Russian Jews.
I'm talking about pre-war estimates.


> 
>> Europe had some 4.7 million Jews, that's why most revisionist 
>> questioning the 6 million figure.
>>
> Not according to the Nazis, and not according to the reality.
> 
>>>> But this minority wants to run the hole word financially and very 
>>>> arrogant about doing it.
>>> Really? Tell us how all those shtetl Jews in Poland and Russia were 
>>> wanting to "tun the hole [sic] world financially?
>> These are American Jews, running all the financial institutions in US.
>> Rothschild's running bank of England since the Napoleonic wars, than 
>> took over the French banking and by 1913 the American Central banking.
>> Have you noticed, the head of the US Fed. Reserve privet bank all ways a 
>> Jew?
>> At present is Ben Shalom Bernanke, Jewish, for a long time Alan 
>> Greenspan was the chairman, Jewish also.
>> There are 12 Jewish senators out of the 100, when there are only 5 
>> million Jews  in the US.
>> JS
> 
> 
> Wow. What an outrage. 12% of the Senate is Jewish. And apparently you 
> think the other 88% are so stupid and gullible that they let the Jews 
> run things, right? Why do you hate non-Jews so much? Why do you think 
> non-Jews are stupid?

Non-Jews are not stupid, but can't do any thing about it.
Money is power and Jews own a lot of it, multi trillions in the US.
They own and run the Fed. Reserve also, now that's power.


> 
> You think there should be a law that there should only be 5% of the 
> Senate Jewish since there are only 5 million Jews?

12 senators, way over represent 5 million useless!
> 
> Hey, Julius, how many Muslims are there in the US? And how many Muslim 
> senators? How many Mormons?
Look it up lazy!
JS

>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>> JS
> 


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Sara Salzman wrote:
> In article ,
>  Protagonist  wrote:
> 
>> george wrote:
>>> On Aug 19, 4:59 pm, Protagonist  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Listadt started it all, printing crap about Irving!
>>> Irving (a nazi sympathiser claiming to be a historian).published a
>>> number of books about WW2
>>> He was caught out by Ms Listadt  who published the errors,omissions
>>> and race hatred endemic in Irvings writings
>>> in his stupidity he attempted to sue Ms Listadt..
>>> The judge found her account to be defamatory but correct
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> So you mean judges are all ways correct, even does who jail innocent 
>> victims? Don't say never happened!
>> Judge Gray is British idiot, giving right to Irving, would be like 
>> officially admitting the Holohax is a lie.
>> He had to loose!
>> JS
> 
> And the three-judge panel that supported Gray's judgement? They were 
> "British idiots" too?
> 
> Seems like you think everyone is an idiot, Julius, who disagrees with 
> you.
> 
> Judge Gray made a reasonable, dispassionate, carefully-thought-out, 
> judgement, based on the facts presented by Irving and the defendants' 
> lawyers. The fact that Irving was thoroughly discredited really burns 
> your ass, doesn't it?
> 

In your blind eye, because you are a pro-Lipstadt and Jews got their 
moneys worth! Irving had no chance in the British court.
It's easy, when important documents are hidden from public excess, 
revisionist only chance is to guess what happened in history!
Lucky, we have smart people around like Irving and not afraid to 
challenge the establishment!!
JS



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Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
> In article ,
> Sara Salzman   wrote:
> 
> [bullshite flushed down the julius]
> 
>> Seems like you think everyone is an idiot, Julius, who disagrees with 
>> you.
> 
> Just when you think they can't get any dumber....
> 
> Won't be long before poor, dumb Julius will call everyone who 
> disagrees with him a "zionazi."
> 
> These morons are SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO stupid.
> 

Talk about your self, hippy boy!
JS



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Richard Warren wrote:
> "Gord McFee"  wrote in message 
> news:13chti59uaf1j90@corp.supernews.com...
>> On 8/19/2007 9:31 PM, Protagonist wrote:
>>
>>> Idiot!
>> Indeed, you are one of the biggest ones I have seen in this newsgroup.
> 
> 
> 
> Definitely top 5 material.  Maybe even top 2.  Make that top 3 - Kurt Knoll 
> is 1 and 2.

I see, the 2 morons Gordy and Richy entertain each other!
JS



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ragland31@gmail.com wrote:
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> To explain the eyewitness, demographic, documentary, forensic, and
> physical evidence there is for the Holocaust, deniers are forced to
> make believe that there was a concerted effort, more like a
> conspiracy, that created false witnesses, forged documents, made false
> evidence, and so on. This conspiracy apparently also managed to fool
> many, many Germans with their propaganda radio broadcasts. The hoaxers
> apparently destroyed all exonerating documents and somehow silenced
> all exonerating witnesses.
> 
> This conspiracy has supposedly pulled the wool over our eyes. We are
> allegedly tricked to this day by their manipulations.
> 
> This essay conducts a brief investigation of the denial conspiracy.
> First, we will see the Herculean feats which the hoaxers would have
> needed to have done, and then we critically debunk the unsubstantiated
> denial conspiracy hoax.
> 
> Enjoy.
> 
> 
> 
> I.     The magnitude of the 'hoax'
> 
> The number of defendants accused of homicidal crimes in service of
> National Socialism is on the industrial scale:[1]
> 
> Since 1945, a total of 912 trials were held involving 1875 defendants
> accused of homicidal crimes committed during World War II in the
> service of National Socialism. These trials resulted in 14 death
> sentences, 150 life sentences and 842 timely sentences.
> 
> These numbers are only for West Germany trials. But what does this
> signify? This means that, not only would the 1875 defendants have
> needed to be coerced or tricked, but all the judges, jurors,
> prosecutors, court experts, and defense attorneys involved with the
> trials would have also needed to be part of the hoax. This means that
> the hoaxers manipulated 912 trials, and that they tricked or coerced/
> tortured 1875 defendants (!!). And remember: This is only for West
> Germany!
Can you document all 1875 defendents and 912 trials, Ragland?
> 
> There are roughly 20,000 Holocaust testimonies in the Yad Vashem
> archives in Jerusalem, Israel.[2] These 20,000 testimonies where
> supposedly manipulated.

Are they all true, half-truth and how many are lies?

> 
> It should be noted that my numbers may be on the high side, as
> 'revisionists' don't deny certain aspects of the Holocaust. But even
> if we pretend that only 15,000 eyewitness testimonies out of the
> 20,000 in the Yad Vashem archives and only 700 trials out of the 912
> contained aspects of the Holocaust which 'revisionists' deny, that
> still means that the 'hoaxers' would have needed to manipulate 15,000
> eyewitness testimonies and 700 trials.

Very easy in the hunger, uncertainty  infected Europe!
  All it takes is fear, promises and a few loafs of bread.

> 
> The point remains: The number of hoaxers for this enormous hoax
> operation would be huge. We are literally talking about at the very
> least thousands of hoaxers. We especially are able to see how big this
> whole operation would be, as there surely would be many written
> communications between hoaxers.

A person told me, he worked with lot of Jews after WW2 in E-Europe in a 
factory. When the German gov. announced paying compensation for Holohoax 
survivors, lot of them were tattooing them self to show they were survivors.


> 
> The 'hoaxers' would have needed to also forge many incriminating
> documents, such as the The Verdict Against SS Untersturmführer Max
> Täubner on May 24, part of which is quoted:[3]
> 
> The accused shall not be punished because of the actions against the
> Jews as such. The Jews have to be exterminated and none of the Jews
> that were killed is any great loss. Although the accused should have
> recognized that the extermination of the Jews was the duty of
> Kommandos which were set up especially for this purpose, he should be
> excused for considering himself to have the authority to take part in
> the extermination of Jewry himself. Real hatred of the Jews was the
> driving motivation for the accused.

Has an independent investigative body inspected these documents if they 
authentic?
NO! Only Jews claiming so, they are legitimate.

> 
> Documents like the above and others similar alike where supposedly
> forged by the conspiracy.

Can be done very easily, don't you think?
> 
> The hoaxers would have also had to silence the potentially millions of
> exonerating eyewitnesses and suppress or destroy exonerating
> documents, like a document which would prove that gas chambers are an
> invention. Maybe that's why there's so little evidence for the Aktion
> Reinhard resettlement theory that Holocaust denier Carlo Mattogno
> peddles: The hoaxers destroyed it. For the supposed shipment of
> roughly 1.4 million Jews from Belzec, Sobibór and Treblinka to Eastern
> territories would literally leave a huge paper trail of evidence,
> including (but not limited to) eyewitness testimonies, records of
> trains going from the Reinhard camps onwards, testimonies from
> Russians who saw the Jews arrive, etc. The amount of evidence left
> from resettling 1.4 million Jews would be so great that surely, it
> would take thousands, probably tens of thousands of hoaxers to destroy
> the massive amount of evidence left over from it. The coercion and
> torture methods used by these 'hoaxers' must have been very effective,
> as not ONE German spoke up while in trial about the supposed attempt
> to silence them.

When you throw a rock in the water, it creates ripples.
In the Holohocau$t case I don't see the ripples, only the claim there 
was a stone thrown.
Means, no evidence, only questionable stories.
Of course, idiotsky like you and Mcvay can even prove the soap storie 
lies without the flicker of your eye!
Long as it benefit your bank account!
> 
> As we see, so much lies--manipulations, coercions, etc--implies MANY,
> many hoaxers.
> 
> 
> Just think about how much workers it takes to perform small jobs in
> small companies and all the written communications produced, for
> example. 

Army, is a FREE labor camp!

This operation seems even bigger when one considers that,
> according to several Holocaust 'revisionists', the hoax operation was
> international and was concocted between the Allies, especially Russia.

Both hands were in the cookie jar, don't you think?
> 
> Moreover, this operation would have needed to be undertaken in
> complete and total secrecy, as even the slightest leak could endanger
> and ruin everything. And they apparently did a good job-no evidence of
> this supposed conspiracy has come to light in over SIX DECADES.

They still in control, aren't they! Controlling ex-axis-goveraments, 
losers of the war.
> 
> 
> 
> II.     Where's the evidence?
> 
> 
> One would expect the evidence for such a tremendous hoax to be readily
> available, right? Well, not in Holocaust denial. Holocaust denial
> works in strange ways.
> 
> There is absolutely zero (yes, that's right, 'Zero' with a capital
> 'Z') evidence for this supposed hoax. Nada. Zip. Zilch.
> 
> Arthur Butz attempted to briefly explain:[4]
> 
> Hundreds of trained staff members were dispatched to Europe and
> employed there to gather 'evidence' for extermination and related
> crimes...
> 
> What where the names of some hoaxers? (and by "hoaxers" I mean the men
> who instructed others to lie, etc.) Where were their headquarters
> located (hoaxers that managed to manipulate over 700 post-war West
> German trials presumably had headquarters to keep track of their
> work)? When was the decision to implement this hoax decided? By who?
> Who commanded this hoax? Where did this hoax originate? How on Earth
> where they able to control whether Heinrich Himmler lived or not, as
> Arthur Butz amazingly contended[5]? Where were some of the forged
> documents dropped? Where were they made? By whom?
> 
> How did they destroy the documents from the Gedob which proved that
> the Aktion Reinhard camps where resettlement camps? When? How could
> this conspiracy fool criminal justice authorities around the world for
> over 60 years? Why didn't this hoax break up during the Cuban missile
> crisis, when America and Russia where at the edge of Nuclear warfare
> (!!!)? Why did Russia supposedly take part in creating this hoax when
> they espoused Anti-Zionism and helped arm Arabs? How could the hoaxers
> forge documents that fitted in the context of other evidence, that
> corroborated other documents, and that didn't contradict any other
> evidence?
> 
> How were the hoaxers able to silence the exonerating witnesses,
> amongst them resettled Jews, Germans who participated in the mass
> resettlement actions, and inhabitants of the towns in which the
> resettled Jews arrived? Where's evidence that proves that the hoaxers
> existed in the first place? Why is there no evidence for this hoax?
> 
> I am completely sure that deniers can respond to the above. What I
> doubt is whether deniers will respond to the above with evidence
> (which would indeed be a rare and unusual event).
> 
> Is it reasonable for me to ask the questions asked above? Yes it is.
> As long as deniers keep on asking questions like why we don't know the
> exact, precise details of the murder weapons in the extermination/
> death camps (why we should have precise details on the mechanics of
> the extermination is left to the reader as a mystery):[6]
> 
> The vast information gaps about the actual mechanics of the alleged
> extermination process should arouse the gravest suspicion.
> 
> The same denier also said that
> 
> Surely, the hatemongers can tell us something about those monstrously
> amazing Diesels-of-Death. Surely, from their "mountains" of
> "eyewitness testimony" they can tell us whether the Diesels were
> outside in the open, or inside the vehicles (tank or truck or
> whatever), or inside a room. Surely, they can tell us whether they
> were V-12 or inline-sixes or whatever -- whether they were connected
> to something like a huge fan or bonecrusher or something.
> 
> 
> Very instructive is how deniers whine for the supposed lack of
> evidence for the Holocaust. They nitpick and whine at evidence for the
> Holocaust, yet they pick an alternate conclusion which has ZERO
> supporting evidence. This points out the hypocrisy of Holocaust
> denial, to be addressed more in-depth in another commentary.
> 
> Even the title of Butz's famous work The Hoax of the Twentieth Century
> is already inappropriately named, since, from what the author has
> seen, there is absolutely no evidence that there was a Holocaust hoax,
> which implies hoaxers.
> 
> 
> 
> To paraphrase my point: The author asks all deniers, but especially
> Robert Faurisson, to answer one question with supporting evidence.
> 
> Just give me one proof, one single proof, that there was a concerted
> effort by a group of people or an organization (i.e. a conspiracy) to
> create a 'hoax' known as the Holocaust.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sources:
> 
> [1] Please see http://www1.jur.uva.nl/junsv/JuNSVEng/JuNSV%20English%20homepage.htm
> 
> [2] Please see http://veritas3.holocaust-history.org/~jamie/buchanan/
> 
> [3] Klee, Dressen, Riess, The Good Old Days, p. 201
> 
> [4] Butz, The Hoax of the Twentieth Century, p. 216
> 
> [5] Ibid, page 287
> 
> [6] F. P. Berg, Diesel Gas Chambers: Ideal for Torture--Absurd for
> Murder
> 
> 
> 
> Last edited: 05/09/2007 12:07 AM
> 


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Joe Bruno wrote:
> On Aug 20, 6:46 pm, Gord McFee  wrote:
>> On 8/19/2007 11:43 PM, Protagonist wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Sara Salzman wrote:
>>>> In article ,
>>>> Protagonist  wrote:
>>>>> Sara Salzman wrote:
>>>>>> In article ,
>>>>>> Protagonist  wrote:
>>>>>>> TurkeyBoy wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Aug 19, 1:04 pm, Sara Salzman 
>>>>>>>> wrote: 
>>>>>>>>> Irving is also a professional anti-Semite, as stated and
>>>>>>>>> upheld by the same courts.
>>>>>>>> Be careful with the ant-Semite accusation. It may be OK for
>>>>>>>> a judge in England to say something that biased.
>>>>>>>> You know what happened to ADL in Colorado :-)
>>>>>>>> Some of you claim that Irving is Jewish. How could he be an
>>>>>>>> anti- Semite?
>>>>>>>> What is an anti-Semite?
>>>>>>>> Is it someone zionazis hate?
>>>>>>> She's so ignorant, she doesn't know! Sara Shitman is Jew and
>>>>>>> she's programed to say things like, your an anti-Semite,
>>>>>>> Nazi, Jew hater etc...
>>>>>> When have I ever said anything of the sort, Julius?
>>>>>>> She thinks the hole WW2 was about the Jews.
>>>>>> When have I ever said anything of the sort, Julius? Why do you
>>>>>> lie?
>>>>>>> I grew up in Europe, never knew any one any one Jewish, never
>>>>>>> even thought about it, until later here in Jewnited States,
>>>>>>> every one gets bombarded by them.
>>>>>> I also lived in Europe. Maybe the reason who never know anyone
>>>>>> Jewish is because your beloved Nazis killed them all.
>>>>> Bull shit! They all moved to other parts of the world and live
>>>>> happily after.
>>>>>>> If you think of it, even Germany had only some 600,000 Jewish
>>>>>>> citizens out of the 60 million Germans, 1%, before WW2.
>>>>>> Not according to the Nazis.
>>>>> Not according to the Nazis! Some time look in the Almanac, Sara
>>>>> Da intellectual.
>>>> Some time learn how Almanac figures are compiled, Julius.
>>> Uh! Now the Almanac is lying! Numbers don't fit Jewish lies!
>>>>>>> Hole Europe had less than 5 million, out of the 250 million.
>>>>>> Not according to the Nazis.
>>>>> What the hell you talking about?
>>>> I'm talking about the Nazis. You know them, they're the ones who
>>>> claimed that there were more than 11 million Jews in Europe.
>>> You are talking about, may be at the hight of the Third Reich
>>> occupied territories, including the Eastern and Russian Jews. I'm
>>> talking about pre-war estimates.
>>>>> Europe had some 4.7 million Jews, that's why most revisionist
>>>>> questioning the 6 million figure.
>>>> Not according to the Nazis, and not according to the reality.
>>>>>>> But this minority wants to run the hole word financially and
>>>>>>> very arrogant about doing it.
>>>>>> Really? Tell us how all those shtetl Jews in Poland and Russia
>>>>>> were wanting to "tun the hole [sic] world financially?
>>>>> These are American Jews, running all the financial institutions
>>>>> in US. Rothschild's running bank of England since the Napoleonic
>>>>> wars, than took over the French banking and by 1913 the American
>>>>> Central banking. Have you noticed, the head of the US Fed.
>>>>> Reserve privet bank all ways a Jew? At present is Ben Shalom
>>>>> Bernanke, Jewish, for a long time Alan Greenspan was the
>>>>> chairman, Jewish also. There are 12 Jewish senators out of the
>>>>> 100, when there are only 5 million Jews  in the US. JS
>>>> Wow. What an outrage. 12% of the Senate is Jewish. And apparently
>>>> you think the other 88% are so stupid and gullible that they let
>>>> the Jews run things, right? Why do you hate non-Jews so much? Why
>>>> do you think non-Jews are stupid?
>>> Non-Jews are not stupid, but can't do any thing about it. Money is
>>> power and Jews own a lot of it, multi trillions in the US. They own
>>> and run the Fed. Reserve also, now that's power.
>> Then I suggest you start being nice to them, or they will "get" you.
>> Poor little lamb.
>>
>> The only thing I can't figure out is when a certified, dyed-in-the-wool
>> goy boy-toy like me is going to get his cut of those trillions.
>>
> 
> 
> It's noteworthy that the most fabulously wealthy in the USA are all
> Gentiles:
> 
> The Kennedys
> Ross Perot
> The Mellons
> The Rockefellers(Standard Oil)
> Bill Gates(Microsoft)
> 

They have only loose change, real money is in Jewish hand, because they 
print it, they run the Fad. reserve, IMF, World Bank.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Greenspan#Biography
Last one, Wolfowitz was kicked out though from the World Bank, he was 
too pussy!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Wolfowitz#Personal_history
JS

JS



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Richard Warren wrote:
> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
> news:2M6dndYWydtqrlTbnZ2dnUVZ_oimnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> Sara Salzman wrote:
>>> In article ,
>>>  Protagonist  wrote:
>>>
>>>> george wrote:
>>>>> On Aug 19, 4:59 pm, Protagonist  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Listadt started it all, printing crap about Irving!
>>>>> Irving (a nazi sympathiser claiming to be a historian).published a
>>>>> number of books about WW2
>>>>> He was caught out by Ms Listadt  who published the errors,omissions
>>>>> and race hatred endemic in Irvings writings
>>>>> in his stupidity he attempted to sue Ms Listadt..
>>>>> The judge found her account to be defamatory but correct
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> So you mean judges are all ways correct, even does who jail innocent 
>>>> victims? Don't say never happened!
>>>> Judge Gray is British idiot, giving right to Irving, would be like 
>>>> officially admitting the Holohax is a lie.
>>>> He had to loose!
>>>> JS
>>> And the three-judge panel that supported Gray's judgement? They were 
>>> "British idiots" too?
>>>
>>> Seems like you think everyone is an idiot, Julius, who disagrees with 
>>> you.
>>>
>>> Judge Gray made a reasonable, dispassionate, carefully-thought-out, 
>>> judgement, based on the facts presented by Irving and the defendants' 
>>> lawyers. The fact that Irving was thoroughly discredited really burns 
>>> your ass, doesn't it?
>>>
>> In your blind eye, because you are a pro-Lipstadt and Jews got their 
>> moneys worth! Irving had no chance in the British court.
> 
> 
> 
> So why didn't you tell him that BEFORE the trial, Julius da Moron?

It's easy to look back, idiot!
Why didn't you tell the US before, not to enter into the Vietnam war?
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> It's easy, when important documents are hidden from public excess, 
>> revisionist only chance is to guess what happened in history!
> 
> 
> 
> ROTFLMAO!!!   And Julius da Moron hasn't guessed right even once in his 
> whole miserable life, except when he filled out his INS forms.

Empty words!
Go suck your mama, little baby Richy!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> Lucky, we have smart people around like Irving and not afraid to challenge 
>> the establishment!!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Yeah.  Bankrupted, convicted and disgraced.  Real smart.  About as smart as 
> Julius da Moron.

Not really! I think, he's more popular now, than before!
Of course, you don't count little Richy!
JS

> 
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Richard Warren wrote:
> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
> news:g_mdnVsoZpAZq1TbnZ2dnUVZ_rninZ2d@comcast.com...
>> Richard Warren wrote:
>>> "Gord McFee"  wrote in message 
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>>>> On 8/19/2007 9:31 PM, Protagonist wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Idiot!
>>>> Indeed, you are one of the biggest ones I have seen in this newsgroup.
>>>
>>>
>>> Definitely top 5 material.  Maybe even top 2.  Make that top 3 - Kurt 
>>> Knoll is 1 and 2.
>> I see, the 2 morons Gordy and Richy entertain each other!
>> JS
> 
> 
> 
> No, Julius moron.  YOU entertain Gord and Rich.  And a lot of other people. 
> I warrant that even other deniers laugh at you.
> But I don't think the INS would laugh. 
> 
> 

There is no law against denying the Holocau$t here in the US, unlike in 
other moron countries in the West, if you trying to threaten me, little 
Richy.
I don't go out to the street burning flags, protest against the US 
government, publish books or other literature etc... this is a public, 
open, news group every one free to project his own opinion.
So, you're waisting your time, little Richy Da spy and informant!
JS



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Richard Warren wrote:
> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
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>> Joe Bruno wrote:
>>> William F. Buckley wrote a  treatise in book form called
>>> "In Search of Anti-Semitism".
>>>
>>> He cites the accusations of Anti-semitism directed at several
>>> prominent people in the USA, then examines the evidence
>>> for and against the label.
>>>
>>> His conclusions are interesting. The thing that impressed me was the
>>> reasoning he used to reach his conclusions.
>>> If anyone still needs proof of the man's exceptional intelligence, he
>>> can find it there.
>>>
>>> Since anti-Semitism appears to be rampant here on ar, the book is
>>> definitely relevant.
>>>
>> What's that got to do with Da Holocau$t, Bluto?
>> Every one one way or the other anti-Semite Bluto,
>> you can only blame your diamond dealing, money horeing tribe!
>> Now days, one can't even take shit or drink a cup of water or soon breath 
>> the air without paying interest!
>> JS
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sounds like Julius da Moron got himself one of those adjustable-rate 
> mortgages. 
> 
> 

Only Jews have the right for 30 year fixed, bellow market, eh!
JS


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Sara Salzman wrote:
> In article ,
>  Protagonist  wrote:
> 
>> A person told me, he worked with lot of Jews after WW2 in E-Europe in a 
>> factory. When the German gov. announced paying compensation for Holohoax 
>> survivors, lot of them were tattooing them self to show they were survivors.
>>
> 
> And this is Julius' idea of proof. He refuses to believe testimony that 
> was accepted in a court of law, but he'll believe "a person told me."
> 
> Whadda marroon!
> 
> Sara
> 
Depends what courts on law, Sara Baby!
Laws differ regionally.
Would you say the court of law is same in Saud Arabia vs Canada, even on 
simple theft?
JS




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http://www.guesswhosthejew.com/


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Sara Salzman wrote:
> In article ,
>  Protagonist  wrote:
> 
>> Sara Salzman wrote:
>>> In article ,
>>>  Protagonist  wrote:
>>>
>>>> A person told me, he worked with lot of Jews after WW2 in E-Europe in a 
>>>> factory. When the German gov. announced paying compensation for Holohoax 
>>>> survivors, lot of them were tattooing them self to show they were 
>>>> survivors.
>>>>
>>> And this is Julius' idea of proof. He refuses to believe testimony that 
>>> was accepted in a court of law, but he'll believe "a person told me."
>>>
>>> Whadda marroon!
>>>
>>> Sara
>>>
>> Depends what courts on law, Sara Baby!
>> Laws differ regionally.
>> Would you say the court of law is same in Saud Arabia vs Canada, even on 
>> simple theft?
>> JS
> 
> I'd say you refuse to believe testimony in European and American courts, 
> yet you believe "a person told me."
> 
> Hope that helps.
> Sara
> 

Nuremberg trial was a canguroo court, run by the victors.
I wouldn't call it a fair trial.
JS



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m_ragland01@comcast.net wrote:
> Iran is one of the world's most dangerous states
> 
> 
> http://www.iranholocaustdenial.com/statements/index.htm
> 

Which ones are the others, Ragland, idiot of AR?
JS


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Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
> In article ,
> Protagonist   wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
>> There is no law against denying the Holocau$t here in the US, unlike in 
>> other moron countries in the West, if you trying to threaten me, little 
>> Richy.
> 
> Why would anyone waste their time threatening you, Leading Revisionist Scholar szaki.
> After all, if you left, who would entertain us?
> 
> We want you posting here for years, Julius. You are a perfect example of the moral
> bankruptcy of Holocaust denial.

You are the most entertaining Zionist McVay.
Your Holohoax fabrications are plain laughable, backed up astronomical 
death numbers.

Like these cartoon like photographs, gems of the Holocau$t industry 
evidence exhibit.
http://www.infocenters.co.il/gfh_multimedia/GFH/0000002085/0000002085_1_web.jpg
http://www.infocenters.co.il/gfh_multimedia/GFH/0000002086/0000002086_1_web.jpg
JS


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ragland31@gmail.com wrote:
> On Aug 21, 5:15 pm, Protagonist  wrote:
>> m_raglan...@comcast.net wrote:
>>> Iran is one of the world's most dangerous states
>>> http://www.iranholocaustdenial.com/statements/index.htm
>> Which ones are the others, Ragland, idiot of AR?
>> JS
> 
> 
> I won't respond to devaluing remarks like "idiot". If you care to
> rephrase
> the question I might answer it.
> 
> Michael Ragland
> 

You don't have to answer it, you better off if you just disappear.
Any way, all you do is loading up AR with lot of bull.
JS


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Sara Salzman wrote:
> In article <13ckgvum19ue61f@corp.supernews.com>,
>  Gord McFee  wrote:
> 
>> On 8/19/2007 11:43 PM, Protagonist wrote:
>>
>>> Sara Salzman wrote:
>>>> In article , 
>>>> Protagonist  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Sara Salzman wrote:
>>>>>> In article , 
>>>>>> Protagonist  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> TurkeyBoy wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Aug 19, 1:04 pm, Sara Salzman 
>>>>>>>> wrote: 
>>>>>>>>> Irving is also a professional anti-Semite, as stated and
>>>>>>>>> upheld by the same courts.
>>>>>>>> Be careful with the ant-Semite accusation. It may be OK for
>>>>>>>> a judge in England to say something that biased.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You know what happened to ADL in Colorado :-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Some of you claim that Irving is Jewish. How could he be an
>>>>>>>> anti- Semite?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What is an anti-Semite?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is it someone zionazis hate?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> She's so ignorant, she doesn't know! Sara Shitman is Jew and
>>>>>>> she's programed to say things like, your an anti-Semite,
>>>>>>> Nazi, Jew hater etc...
>>>>>> When have I ever said anything of the sort, Julius?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> She thinks the hole WW2 was about the Jews.
>>>>>> When have I ever said anything of the sort, Julius? Why do you
>>>>>> lie?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I grew up in Europe, never knew any one any one Jewish, never
>>>>>>> even thought about it, until later here in Jewnited States,
>>>>>>> every one gets bombarded by them.
>>>>>> I also lived in Europe. Maybe the reason who never know anyone
>>>>>> Jewish is because your beloved Nazis killed them all.
>>>>> Bull shit! They all moved to other parts of the world and live
>>>>> happily after.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you think of it, even Germany had only some 600,000 Jewish
>>>>>>> citizens out of the 60 million Germans, 1%, before WW2.
>>>>>> Not according to the Nazis.
>>>>> Not according to the Nazis! Some time look in the Almanac, Sara
>>>>> Da intellectual.
>>>> Some time learn how Almanac figures are compiled, Julius.
>>> Uh! Now the Almanac is lying! Numbers don't fit Jewish lies!
>>>>>>> Hole Europe had less than 5 million, out of the 250 million.
>>>>>> Not according to the Nazis.
>>>>> What the hell you talking about?
>>>> I'm talking about the Nazis. You know them, they're the ones who
>>>> claimed that there were more than 11 million Jews in Europe.
>>> You are talking about, may be at the hight of the Third Reich
>>> occupied territories, including the Eastern and Russian Jews. I'm
>>> talking about pre-war estimates.
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Europe had some 4.7 million Jews, that's why most revisionist 
>>>>> questioning the 6 million figure.
>>>>>
>>>> Not according to the Nazis, and not according to the reality.
>>>>
>>>>>>> But this minority wants to run the hole word financially and
>>>>>>> very arrogant about doing it.
>>>>>> Really? Tell us how all those shtetl Jews in Poland and Russia
>>>>>> were wanting to "tun the hole [sic] world financially?
>>>>> These are American Jews, running all the financial institutions
>>>>> in US. Rothschild's running bank of England since the Napoleonic
>>>>> wars, than took over the French banking and by 1913 the American
>>>>> Central banking. Have you noticed, the head of the US Fed.
>>>>> Reserve privet bank all ways a Jew? At present is Ben Shalom
>>>>> Bernanke, Jewish, for a long time Alan Greenspan was the
>>>>> chairman, Jewish also. There are 12 Jewish senators out of the
>>>>> 100, when there are only 5 million Jews  in the US. JS
>>>> Wow. What an outrage. 12% of the Senate is Jewish. And apparently
>>>> you think the other 88% are so stupid and gullible that they let
>>>> the Jews run things, right? Why do you hate non-Jews so much? Why
>>>> do you think non-Jews are stupid?
>>> Non-Jews are not stupid, but can't do any thing about it. Money is
>>> power and Jews own a lot of it, multi trillions in the US. They own
>>> and run the Fed. Reserve also, now that's power.
>> Then I suggest you start being nice to them, or they will "get" you.
>> Poor little lamb.
>>
>> The only thing I can't figure out is when a certified, dyed-in-the-wool
>> goy boy-toy like me is going to get his cut of those trillions.
> 
> Well, for one thing, you'd have to be working for those 12% Jews in OUR 
> Senate. You're in the wrong country.
> 
> Now, if only I could figure out how *I* can get my cut of those 
> trillions....
> 
> Sara

Easy old Zio-lady!
Just marry to one of those wealthy Zionist son of a bitch, got rich over 
other peoples misery.
JS


> 


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Gord McFee wrote:
> On 8/21/2007 5:25 AM, Sara Salzman wrote:
> 
>> In article <13ckgvum19ue61f@corp.supernews.com>,
>>  Gord McFee  wrote:
>>
>>> On 8/19/2007 11:43 PM, Protagonist wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sara Salzman wrote:
>>>>> In article , 
>>>>> Protagonist  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Sara Salzman wrote:
>>>>>>> In article , 
>>>>>>> Protagonist  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> TurkeyBoy wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Aug 19, 1:04 pm, Sara Salzman 
>>>>>>>>> wrote: 
>>>>>>>>>> Irving is also a professional anti-Semite, as stated and
>>>>>>>>>> upheld by the same courts.
>>>>>>>>> Be careful with the ant-Semite accusation. It may be OK for
>>>>>>>>> a judge in England to say something that biased.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You know what happened to ADL in Colorado :-)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Some of you claim that Irving is Jewish. How could he be an
>>>>>>>>> anti- Semite?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What is an anti-Semite?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Is it someone zionazis hate?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> She's so ignorant, she doesn't know! Sara Shitman is Jew and
>>>>>>>> she's programed to say things like, your an anti-Semite,
>>>>>>>> Nazi, Jew hater etc...
>>>>>>> When have I ever said anything of the sort, Julius?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> She thinks the hole WW2 was about the Jews.
>>>>>>> When have I ever said anything of the sort, Julius? Why do you
>>>>>>> lie?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I grew up in Europe, never knew any one any one Jewish, never
>>>>>>>> even thought about it, until later here in Jewnited States,
>>>>>>>> every one gets bombarded by them.
>>>>>>> I also lived in Europe. Maybe the reason who never know anyone
>>>>>>> Jewish is because your beloved Nazis killed them all.
>>>>>> Bull shit! They all moved to other parts of the world and live
>>>>>> happily after.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you think of it, even Germany had only some 600,000 Jewish
>>>>>>>> citizens out of the 60 million Germans, 1%, before WW2.
>>>>>>> Not according to the Nazis.
>>>>>> Not according to the Nazis! Some time look in the Almanac, Sara
>>>>>> Da intellectual.
>>>>> Some time learn how Almanac figures are compiled, Julius.
>>>> Uh! Now the Almanac is lying! Numbers don't fit Jewish lies!
>>>>>>>> Hole Europe had less than 5 million, out of the 250 million.
>>>>>>> Not according to the Nazis.
>>>>>> What the hell you talking about?
>>>>> I'm talking about the Nazis. You know them, they're the ones who
>>>>> claimed that there were more than 11 million Jews in Europe.
>>>> You are talking about, may be at the hight of the Third Reich
>>>> occupied territories, including the Eastern and Russian Jews. I'm
>>>> talking about pre-war estimates.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Europe had some 4.7 million Jews, that's why most revisionist 
>>>>>> questioning the 6 million figure.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Not according to the Nazis, and not according to the reality.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But this minority wants to run the hole word financially and
>>>>>>>> very arrogant about doing it.
>>>>>>> Really? Tell us how all those shtetl Jews in Poland and Russia
>>>>>>> were wanting to "tun the hole [sic] world financially?
>>>>>> These are American Jews, running all the financial institutions
>>>>>> in US. Rothschild's running bank of England since the Napoleonic
>>>>>> wars, than took over the French banking and by 1913 the American
>>>>>> Central banking. Have you noticed, the head of the US Fed.
>>>>>> Reserve privet bank all ways a Jew? At present is Ben Shalom
>>>>>> Bernanke, Jewish, for a long time Alan Greenspan was the
>>>>>> chairman, Jewish also. There are 12 Jewish senators out of the
>>>>>> 100, when there are only 5 million Jews  in the US. JS
>>>>> Wow. What an outrage. 12% of the Senate is Jewish. And apparently
>>>>> you think the other 88% are so stupid and gullible that they let
>>>>> the Jews run things, right? Why do you hate non-Jews so much? Why
>>>>> do you think non-Jews are stupid?
>>>> Non-Jews are not stupid, but can't do any thing about it. Money is
>>>> power and Jews own a lot of it, multi trillions in the US. They own
>>>> and run the Fed. Reserve also, now that's power.
>>> Then I suggest you start being nice to them, or they will "get" you.
>>> Poor little lamb.
>>>
>>> The only thing I can't figure out is when a certified, dyed-in-the-wool
>>> goy boy-toy like me is going to get his cut of those trillions.
>>
>> Well, for one thing, you'd have to be working for those 12% Jews in 
>> OUR Senate. You're in the wrong country.
> 
> Damn.  Foiled again.
> 
>> Now, if only I could figure out how *I* can get my cut of those 
>> trillions....
> 
> But you are Jewish!  I thought you got an automatic cut.
> 

Haha! Your leaders don't even share the Holo-money with survivors. (o:
60 billion, what Germany payed out for compensation, 2/3 went to the 
Israeli government military  and infrastructure.
Ok! Sorry, I should mansion they giving out $20/month now, but seems 
claim to be survivors are not happy, they were even protesting.
Do you get your $20 Gordy and Sara?
McVay, probably gets a lot more! (o:

JS



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Sara Salzman wrote:
> In article ,
>  Protagonist  wrote:
> 
>> Sara Salzman wrote:
>>> In article ,
>>>  Protagonist  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sara Salzman wrote:
>>>>> In article ,
>>>>>  Protagonist  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> A person told me, he worked with lot of Jews after WW2 in E-Europe in a 
>>>>>> factory. When the German gov. announced paying compensation for Holohoax 
>>>>>> survivors, lot of them were tattooing them self to show they were 
>>>>>> survivors.
>>>>>>
>>>>> And this is Julius' idea of proof. He refuses to believe testimony that 
>>>>> was accepted in a court of law, but he'll believe "a person told me."
>>>>>
>>>>> Whadda marroon!
>>>>>
>>>>> Sara
>>>>>
>>>> Depends what courts on law, Sara Baby!
>>>> Laws differ regionally.
>>>> Would you say the court of law is same in Saud Arabia vs Canada, even on 
>>>> simple theft?
>>>> JS
>>> I'd say you refuse to believe testimony in European and American courts, 
>>> yet you believe "a person told me."
>>>
>>> Hope that helps.
>>> Sara
>>>
>> Nuremberg trial was a canguroo court, run by the victors.
>> I wouldn't call it a fair trial.
>> JS
> 
> Of course you wouldn't.
> You wouldn't call ANY trial that doesn't exonerate Nazis a fair trial. 
> You wouldn't call any testimony that disagrees with your agenda part of 
> a fair trial.
> You'd rather believe "a person told me" than the sworn testimony of 
> witnesses.
> 

Let see, you are implicated in a murder and have to stand trial.
BUT!!! the judge, lawyers, witnesses, jury members are all relatives or 
related to the victim.
How would you feel?
Fair trial?
That's what the Nuremberg trial was like.
Get it?
JS


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No???
  So you mean judges at Nuremberg were Chines, Indonesians and 
South-Africans or Eskimo?

JS


Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
> In article ,
> Leading Revisionist Scholar szaki, aka Protagonist   wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
>> Let see, you are implicated in a murder and have to stand trial.
>> BUT!!! the judge, lawyers, witnesses, jury members are all relatives or 
>> related to the victim.
>> How would you feel?
>> Fair trial?
>> That's what the Nuremberg trial was like.
> 
> No, that is not what the Nuremberg TRIALS were like. You, as always, and as fitting for a
> Leading Revisionist Scholar, are simply lying - again.
> 
> On June 13, 2005, you wrote:
> 
> "Although a final figure of Jews killed by the Einsatzgruppen has never been 
>  presented, the most extreme estimates by Yad Vashem and others say that 
>  between 900,000 and 1.25 million people - Jews and others - were killed by 
>  the special action units."
> 
> "This figure is without doubt a gross exaggeration, considering that the 
>  Einsatzgruppen never had more than 3,000 men in total serving in its units 
>  at any one time, and furthermore spent most of their time fighting 
>  partisans." 
> 
> "But even if this grossly exaggerated figure is accurate - and all evidence 
>  is that it is not - this grandiose figure is still nowhere near the 5 
>  million Jews the Nazis estimated were in the Soviet Union's territory." 
> 
> (Szaki, UseNet alt.revisionism, Message ID 
>  6oadnbn35bIiozDfRVn-1Q@comcast.com)
> 
> Please document your claim that the figure 1.2 million is a gross exaggeration,
> and then produce the "all evidence" mentioned in your third paragraph.
> 
> Include the name of publications containing this "all evidence,", the pages
> upon which this "all evidence" can be found, the publisher and publication
> date, and the author's name.
> 
> Question 2:
> -----------
> 
> On June 15, 2005, in response to the publication of document PS-2615 (First
> Nurnberg Tribunal), in which Wilhelm Hoettl explained that he had been
> told that 6 million Jews had died, you wrote:
> 
> "Sworn testimony, after torture! Nice try, moron!" (Szaki. UseNet alt.revisionism,
> Message ID X46dneLExIw3ajLfRVn-sg@comcast.com)
> 
> Please provide evidence that Herr Hoettl was, in fact, tortured.
> 
> Question 3:
> -----------
> 
> In article , on June 18, 2005, you
> asserted that Sgt. Ragene Farris, who served in the 329th Medical Battalion and
> described the horrors American troops had to face during the liberation of 
> the "Boelcke Kazerne" in Nordhausen concentration camp provided a fictional
> account. You wrote:
> 
> "Thank you JJ, this story of courage of Sergeant Ragene Farris really made me
> cry, very nice, heart breaking fictional tale."
> 
> Please provide documentary evidence which proves that condtions were not
> as Sgt. Farris described them.
> 
> Question 4:
> -----------
> On August 19, 2005, in article , you wrote:
> 
> "Why don't you talk about your stupid, boring, Nizkor website, all the
> cut/paste, fake stories and pictures."
> 
> Which pictures and stories, precisely, are "fake?" Please provide your evidence
> that specific pictures and/or stories are fake.
> 
> Question 5:
> -----------
> 
> On September 24th, 2005, you wrote:
> 
> In article ,
> szaki   wrote:
> 
>>> http://www2.ca.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/imt/nca/ftp.py?imt/nca/nca-05/nca-05-2615-ps
>  
>> *You're using Nizkor fake information, Brum-Brum-Bruno!
> 
> Please produce documentary evidence that Hoettl's sworn statement, which
> constituted document 2615-PS for the First Nurnberg Tribunal, is "fake 
> information."
> 
> Please demonstrate, again with documentary evidence, that Nizkor's copy of
> this document is not an textually exact rendering of 2615-PS.
> 
> Question 6:
> -----------
> 
> On October 1, 2005, you wrote the following of the statement of Dr. Sigmund Rascher:
> 
> In article ,
> szaki   wrote:
>> Ron Jacobson wrote:
>>> http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.py?people/r/rascher.sigmund//images/Rascher1.jpg
>>> http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.py?people/r/rascher.sigmund//images/Rascher2.jpg
> 
> [...]
>  
>> *Nice forgeries, like the 4 million death at Auschwitz and any thing 
>> else about the Holocau$t!
> 
> Please produce documented evidence that the Rascher statement, as shown on 
> two Nizkor Project images, are forgeries.
> 
> Please list the Western historians who cited the 4-Million figure as valid.
> 
> Question 7
> ----------
> 
> On October 2, 2005, in article ,
> you made the following claim:
> 
> "First, EG report was way inflated about numbers executed. EG all ways
> reported at least twice as much back to Germany, to make them self look
> good"
> 
> Please produce documented evidence that the Einsatzgruppen reports used inflated numbers.
> Cite the name of the report in question, and document your claim with respect to that
> report.
> 
> Question 8
> ----------
> 
> On October 23, 2005, in article ,
> you wrote:
> 
>> Running a website for profit, so called Nizkor, cashing in on other 
>> people misfortune and misery!
> 
> Please present evidence that Nizkor is run for a profit. 
> 


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Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
> In article ,
> Leading Revisionist Scholar szka, aka Protagonist   wrote:
>> No???
>>  So you mean judges at Nuremberg were Chines, Indonesians and 
>> South-Africans or Eskimo?
> 
> Not at all, Leading Revisionist Scholar sziki, I mean you are a proven liar.

You didn't answer my question, McVay Da Idiot!
So you mean judges at Nuremberg were Chines, Indonesians and
 >> South-Africans or Eskimo?
JS

 >
> 
> 
> Question 1:
> -----------
> 
> On June 13, 2005, you wrote:
> 
> "Although a final figure of Jews killed by the Einsatzgruppen has never been 
>  presented, the most extreme estimates by Yad Vashem and others say that 
>  between 900,000 and 1.25 million people - Jews and others - were killed by 
>  the special action units."
> 
> "This figure is without doubt a gross exaggeration, considering that the 
>  Einsatzgruppen never had more than 3,000 men in total serving in its units 
>  at any one time, and furthermore spent most of their time fighting 
>  partisans." 
> 
> "But even if this grossly exaggerated figure is accurate - and all evidence 
>  is that it is not - this grandiose figure is still nowhere near the 5 
>  million Jews the Nazis estimated were in the Soviet Union's territory." 
> 
> (Szaki, UseNet alt.revisionism, Message ID 
>  6oadnbn35bIiozDfRVn-1Q@comcast.com)
> 
> Please document your claim that the figure 1.2 million is a gross exaggeration,
> and then produce the "all evidence" mentioned in your third paragraph.
> 
> Include the name of publications containing this "all evidence,", the pages
> upon which this "all evidence" can be found, the publisher and publication
> date, and the author's name.
> 
> Question 2:
> -----------
> 
> On June 15, 2005, in response to the publication of document PS-2615 (First
> Nurnberg Tribunal), in which Wilhelm Hoettl explained that he had been
> told that 6 million Jews had died, you wrote:
> 
> "Sworn testimony, after torture! Nice try, moron!" (Szaki. UseNet alt.revisionism,
> Message ID X46dneLExIw3ajLfRVn-sg@comcast.com)
> 
> Please provide evidence that Herr Hoettl was, in fact, tortured.
> 
> Question 3:
> -----------
> 
> In article , on June 18, 2005, you
> asserted that Sgt. Ragene Farris, who served in the 329th Medical Battalion and
> described the horrors American troops had to face during the liberation of 
> the "Boelcke Kazerne" in Nordhausen concentration camp provided a fictional
> account. You wrote:
> 
> "Thank you JJ, this story of courage of Sergeant Ragene Farris really made me
> cry, very nice, heart breaking fictional tale."
> 
> Please provide documentary evidence which proves that condtions were not
> as Sgt. Farris described them.
> 
> Question 4:
> -----------
> On August 19, 2005, in article , you wrote:
> 
> "Why don't you talk about your stupid, boring, Nizkor website, all the
> cut/paste, fake stories and pictures."
> 
> Which pictures and stories, precisely, are "fake?" Please provide your evidence
> that specific pictures and/or stories are fake.
> 
> Question 5:
> -----------
> 
> On September 24th, 2005, you wrote:
> 
> In article ,
> szaki   wrote:
> 
>>> http://www2.ca.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/imt/nca/ftp.py?imt/nca/nca-05/nca-05-2615-ps
>  
>> *You're using Nizkor fake information, Brum-Brum-Bruno!
> 
> Please produce documentary evidence that Hoettl's sworn statement, which
> constituted document 2615-PS for the First Nurnberg Tribunal, is "fake 
> information."
> 
> Please demonstrate, again with documentary evidence, that Nizkor's copy of
> this document is not an textually exact rendering of 2615-PS.
> 
> Question 6:
> -----------
> 
> On October 1, 2005, you wrote the following of the statement of Dr. Sigmund Rascher:
> 
> In article ,
> szaki   wrote:
>> Ron Jacobson wrote:
>>> http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.py?people/r/rascher.sigmund//images/Rascher1.jpg
>>> http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.py?people/r/rascher.sigmund//images/Rascher2.jpg
> 
> [...]
>  
>> *Nice forgeries, like the 4 million death at Auschwitz and any thing 
>> else about the Holocau$t!
> 
> Please produce documented evidence that the Rascher statement, as shown on 
> two Nizkor Project images, are forgeries.
> 
> Please list the Western historians who cited the 4-Million figure as valid.
> 
> Question 7
> ----------
> 
> On October 2, 2005, in article ,
> you made the following claim:
> 
> "First, EG report was way inflated about numbers executed. EG all ways
> reported at least twice as much back to Germany, to make them self look
> good"
> 
> Please produce documented evidence that the Einsatzgruppen reports used inflated numbers.
> Cite the name of the report in question, and document your claim with respect to that
> report.
> 
> Question 8
> ----------
> 
> On October 23, 2005, in article ,
> you wrote:
> 
>> Running a website for profit, so called Nizkor, cashing in on other 
>> people misfortune and misery!
> 
> Please present evidence that Nizkor is run for a profit. 
> 


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127.0.0.1 wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 18:18:21 -0400
> "Patrick Keenan"  wrote:
> 
>> "Kurt Knoll"  wrote in message 
>> news:y01zi.81666$fJ5.5136@pd7urf1no...
>>> The Jewish excuse has always been that ground Radar will not work
>> Oh, it does work, Kurt.   But, it has to be used correctly  - and it
>> has to actually be used.
>>
>> And there has to be a report of the method and findings, not a story
>> saying that somebody says they did something.
>>
>> As it stands, there's no way to say that Krege ever did what he said,
>> or even knew how to use the machine.
>>
>> It's easy to resolve this.   Produce the report.
>>
> 
> Yes, its easy to resolve. Jews make claims of mass-graves the burden of
> proof is on them. Why don't the holocaust industry use ground
> penetrating radar to prove their claims Pat?

Don't need radar, once a year on the anniversary of the Holohoax blood 
geysers erupts from the grave sites, shooting mile high!
McVay can confirm that!
JS


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 >>You're welcome, Herr Knoll... now it's time for your Blue Luftwaffe 
Tutu and another
pratfall off the Idiots' Wall, so best be getting yourself changed.

Your tribe is really, REALLY stupid.<<


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Richard Warren wrote:
> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
> news:UqSdnQSAKriOUVHbnZ2dnUVZ_hadnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
>>> In article ,
>>> Leading Revisionist Scholar szka, aka Protagonist   
>>> wrote:
>>>> No???
>>>>  So you mean judges at Nuremberg were Chines, Indonesians and 
>>>> South-Africans or Eskimo?
>>> Not at all, Leading Revisionist Scholar sziki, I mean you are a proven 
>>> liar.
>> You didn't answer my question, McVay Da Idiot!
>> So you mean judges at Nuremberg were Chines, Indonesians and
>>>> South-Africans or Eskimo?
>> JS
> 
> 
> 
> Stupid questions don't deserve answers, Julius da Moron.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>>>
>>>
>>> Question 1:
>>> -----------
>>>
>>> On June 13, 2005, you wrote:
>>>
>>> "Although a final figure of Jews killed by the Einsatzgruppen has never 
>>> been presented, the most extreme estimates by Yad Vashem and others say 
>>> that between 900,000 and 1.25 million people - Jews and others - were 
>>> killed by the special action units."
>>>
>>> "This figure is without doubt a gross exaggeration, considering that the 
>>> Einsatzgruppen never had more than 3,000 men in total serving in its 
>>> units at any one time, and furthermore spent most of their time fighting 
>>> partisans." "But even if this grossly exaggerated figure is accurate - 
>>> and all evidence is that it is not - this grandiose figure is still 
>>> nowhere near the 5 million Jews the Nazis estimated were in the Soviet 
>>> Union's territory." (Szaki, UseNet alt.revisionism, Message ID 
>>> 6oadnbn35bIiozDfRVn-1Q@comcast.com)
>>>
>>> Please document your claim that the figure 1.2 million is a gross 
>>> exaggeration,
>>> and then produce the "all evidence" mentioned in your third paragraph.
>>>
>>> Include the name of publications containing this "all evidence,", the 
>>> pages
>>> upon which this "all evidence" can be found, the publisher and 
>>> publication
>>> date, and the author's name.
>>>
>>> Question 2:
>>> -----------
>>>
>>> On June 15, 2005, in response to the publication of document PS-2615 
>>> (First
>>> Nurnberg Tribunal), in which Wilhelm Hoettl explained that he had been
>>> told that 6 million Jews had died, you wrote:
>>>
>>> "Sworn testimony, after torture! Nice try, moron!" (Szaki. UseNet 
>>> alt.revisionism,
>>> Message ID X46dneLExIw3ajLfRVn-sg@comcast.com)
>>>
>>> Please provide evidence that Herr Hoettl was, in fact, tortured.
>>>
>>> Question 3:
>>> -----------
>>>
>>> In article , on June 18, 2005, you
>>> asserted that Sgt. Ragene Farris, who served in the 329th Medical 
>>> Battalion and
>>> described the horrors American troops had to face during the liberation 
>>> of the "Boelcke Kazerne" in Nordhausen concentration camp provided a 
>>> fictional
>>> account. You wrote:
>>>
>>> "Thank you JJ, this story of courage of Sergeant Ragene Farris really 
>>> made me
>>> cry, very nice, heart breaking fictional tale."
>>>
>>> Please provide documentary evidence which proves that condtions were not
>>> as Sgt. Farris described them.
>>>
>>> Question 4:
>>> -----------
>>> On August 19, 2005, in article , you 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> "Why don't you talk about your stupid, boring, Nizkor website, all the
>>> cut/paste, fake stories and pictures."
>>>
>>> Which pictures and stories, precisely, are "fake?" Please provide your 
>>> evidence
>>> that specific pictures and/or stories are fake.
>>>
>>> Question 5:
>>> -----------
>>>
>>> On September 24th, 2005, you wrote:
>>>
>>> In article ,
>>> szaki   wrote:
>>>
>>>>> http://www2.ca.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/imt/nca/ftp.py?imt/nca/nca-05/nca-05-2615-ps
>>>> *You're using Nizkor fake information, Brum-Brum-Bruno!
>>> Please produce documentary evidence that Hoettl's sworn statement, which
>>> constituted document 2615-PS for the First Nurnberg Tribunal, is "fake 
>>> information."
>>>
>>> Please demonstrate, again with documentary evidence, that Nizkor's copy 
>>> of
>>> this document is not an textually exact rendering of 2615-PS.
>>>
>>> Question 6:
>>> -----------
>>>
>>> On October 1, 2005, you wrote the following of the statement of Dr. 
>>> Sigmund Rascher:
>>>
>>> In article ,
>>> szaki   wrote:
>>>> Ron Jacobson wrote:
>>>>> http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.py?people/r/rascher.sigmund//images/Rascher1.jpg
>>>>> http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.py?people/r/rascher.sigmund//images/Rascher2.jpg
>>> [...]
>>>
>>>> *Nice forgeries, like the 4 million death at Auschwitz and any thing 
>>>> else about the Holocau$t!
>>> Please produce documented evidence that the Rascher statement, as shown 
>>> on two Nizkor Project images, are forgeries.
>>>
>>> Please list the Western historians who cited the 4-Million figure as 
>>> valid.
>>>
>>> Question 7
>>> ----------
>>>
>>> On October 2, 2005, in article ,
>>> you made the following claim:
>>>
>>> "First, EG report was way inflated about numbers executed. EG all ways
>>> reported at least twice as much back to Germany, to make them self look
>>> good"
>>>
>>> Please produce documented evidence that the Einsatzgruppen reports used 
>>> inflated numbers.
>>> Cite the name of the report in question, and document your claim with 
>>> respect to that
>>> report.
>>>
>>> Question 8
>>> ----------
>>>
>>> On October 23, 2005, in article 
>>> ,
>>> you wrote:
>>>
>>>> Running a website for profit, so called Nizkor, cashing in on other 
>>>> people misfortune and misery!
>>> Please present evidence that Nizkor is run for a profit. 
> 
> 

Not a stupid question, McVay is the stupid.
He's claiming, Nuremberg trial was not biased, even though judges were 
picked from  the Victors, the Allies.
JS



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Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
> In article ,
> Leading Revisionist Liar szaki Protagonist   wrote:
>> Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
>>> In article ,
>>> Leading Revisionist Scholar szka, aka Protagonist   wrote:
>>>> No???
>>>>  So you mean judges at Nuremberg were Chines, Indonesians and 
>>>> South-Africans or Eskimo?
>>> Not at all, Leading Revisionist Scholar sziki, I mean you are a proven liar.
>> You didn't answer my question, McVay Da Idiot!
> 
> Leading Revisionist Scholar Julius da Sack has evaded questions for YEARS, to wit:

Your death claim of millions for the Einsatzgruppen is grossly over stated.
I compare it to the lie of the Auschwitz 4 million figures.
JS


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ragland31@gmail.com wrote:
> On Aug 23, 3:43 pm, Eugene Holman  wrote:
>> In article <1187902203.239738.90...@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
>>
>>  raglan...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> What are we?
>> How do you understand "we", dually or universally? And with regard to
>> what is your "what" question?
>>
>> Delimit the scope of your variables more precisely, then we can have a
>> rational discussion.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Eugene Holman
> 
> Universally what are we. Not dually but universally and this applies
> to the entire human
> species. I'll give you a hint: It pertains to evolution. If you need
> more information
> I'll try to supply it.
> 
> Michael Ragland
> 
> 

For that to understand, you have to know quantum physics.
To simplify it's understanding, see the movie/DVD,
"Mindwalk"
http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1800178023/info

Around, at 2/3 of the film, they talking about quantum physics, 
explaining that in the subatomic level we and every thing around us are 
empty space.
Meaning, even if it appears to be solid to us, matter inside an atom 
(proton,neutrons, electrons) is very little, very small amount.
An atom is 99.99999....% empty space.
If you would blow up an orange to the size of earth, atoms would be the 
size of cherries. If you would look it those cherries, you still would 
not see any matter inside. If you would blow up these cherries to a few 
mile diameter size, than you would be able to some matter, size of a 
grain of sand.
That is why, very short wave, high frequency radiations like X-rays, 
gamma rays just go through us or any thing solid known.
JS










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Curly C wrote:
> Nothing like 2 pompous holohoaxer asses fighting over their IQ's. Penis
> size will probably be next. There is no need for the revisionists to
> post in here anymore, the holohoaxers are doing more for our cause.

Are you  be part of the penis competition, you proposing?
'cause we all ready, you are biggest prick around here!!!
JS


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127.0.0.1 wrote:
> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=5a6_1188007805

Looks like Da Jews afraid of a bleeding woman!
Haha!
JS


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Very eye opening videos!
JS

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=733_1177590511
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This is part 1 of "The Deceptions of the Six-Day War" whose second part 
can be viewed here: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4bc_1187741706
____________________

Dutch former UN observer describes how he witnessed how Israel provoked 
their Arab neighbors in the run up to the Six-Day War.

War casualties:

Israelis: 779 killed, 2,563 wounded, 15 prisoners
Arabs: 21,000 killed, 45,000 wounded, 6,000 prisoners

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fe4_1187757763


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ragland31@gmail.com wrote:
> On Aug 26, 2:01 am, Protagonist  wrote:
>> Very eye opening videos!
>> JS
>>
>> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=733_1177590511http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=6b0_1177591871
> 
> A very eye opening video? I agree; the man is a complete crackpot.
> 
> Michael Ragland

Ragland! Did you ever look in the mirror?
You should!
You are a broken record!
JS


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Stupid drunk Jew!
JS

 >>Jewish settlers intimidate Western journalists that are reporting yet 
another Zionist land grab operation<<

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=03f_1185824134


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ragland31@gmail.com wrote:
> On Aug 25, 6:38 pm, Protagonist  wrote:
>> 127.0.0.1 wrote:
>>> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=5a6_1188007805
>> Looks like Da Jews afraid of a bleeding woman!
>> Haha!
>> JS
> 
> 
> No. There are many check point areas and other areas where
> Palestinians
> aren't suppose to be. Looking at this film implied that was the case
> here
> as the Israeli military kept saying "Go home". Next, it appeared a
> Palestian
> ambulance came to the scene but they wanted to take the woman to a
> facility
> the Israeli military didn't want her taken. They wanted her to be
> taken
> elsewhere and named the place. It is humiliating when a Palestian is
> injured
> and the Israeli's dictate where she is to be taken. But those
> Palestinians
> weren't suppose to be in that area. I'm assuming the event wasn't
> staged.
> In real life I believe situations like this occur.
> 
> Michael Ragland
> 

 >>I'm assuming the event wasn't
staged.<<

Ah! I see! Staged by whom?
JS


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127.0.0.1 wrote:
> On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 18:58:51 +1000
> "Benjamin Cramer"  wrote:
> 
>>  wrote in message 
>> news:1188116446.269020.190460@50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
>>> On Aug 25, 6:38 pm, Protagonist  wrote:
>>>> 127.0.0.1 wrote:
>>>>> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=5a6_1188007805
>>>> Looks like Da Jews afraid of a bleeding woman!
>>>> Haha!
>>>> JS
>>>
>>> No. There are many check point areas and other areas where
>>> Palestinians
>>> aren't suppose to be. Looking at this film implied that was the case
>>> here
>>> as the Israeli military kept saying "Go home". Next, it appeared a
>>> Palestian
>>> ambulance came to the scene but they wanted to take the woman to a
>>> facility
>>> the Israeli military didn't want her taken. They wanted her to be
>>> taken
>>> elsewhere and named the place. It is humiliating when a Palestian is
>>> injured
>>> and the Israeli's dictate where she is to be taken. But those
>>> Palestinians
>>> weren't suppose to be in that area.
>> Sad, innit. Particularly given they used to own the entire country.
>>
>> Fucking yids should be shat on.
>>
> 
> Yids are an arrogant bunch of people. Here they are trying to dictate
> what political parties are allowed. Wtf is this world jewish congress
> stuff? 
> 
> BUDAPEST (Reuters) - A small group of far-right Hungarians formed a uniformed "guard" unit on Saturday amid calls by Jewish and Roma groups for it be banned, saying the body sported Nazi-era symbols.
> 
> 
> Cheered by 1,000 people in front of the presidential palace, 56 men in
> uniforms with red and white insignia, associated by some with the
> regime which sent hundreds of thousands of Jews to their deaths, swore
> to defend Hungary.
> 
> The group was formed shortly before the first anniversary on September 17 of violent anti-government protests that followed the leak of a tape in which Socialist Prime Minister Ferenc Gyurcsany admitted he had lied to win elections.
> 
> "The Hungarian Guard has been set up in order to carry out the real change of regime (from communism) and to rescue Hungarians," Gabor Vona, leader of the Jobbik party which set up the unit, told the rally.
> 
> The World Jewish Congress this week asked Gyurcsany to act against the guard, which the prime minister, the governing Socialist and Free Democrat parties and a small right-of-centre parliamentary party have all condemned.
> 
> The failure of the biggest right-of-centre party, Fidesz, to condemn the group has led to charges that it tacitly supports the far right.
> 
> The formation of the guard comes at a time of concern over the rise of the far right in ex-communist countries following an attack this week on Indians in what used to be East Germany.
> 
> Jewish groups in Hungary have complained of rising anti-Semitism and the use of symbols like a red-and-white striped flag during anti-government demonstrations last year.
> 
> The flag is similar to one used by the wartime Arrow Cross regime, which murdered thousands of Jews and deported hundreds of thousands more to Nazi death camps.
> 
> Its supporters say it is a medieval Hungarian flag.
> 
> Jobbik, which denies it is anti-Jewish, said on Saturday that thousands of people had asked to join its guard.
> 
> Both Nazi and Communist symbols are banned in Hungary, but there are vocal far-right groups in many of the nations that emerged from communism in 1989 and joined the European Union.
> 
> Some observers say that with a short history of democracy and a long history of anti-Semitism in eastern Europe, there is a greater risk of these groups gaining acceptance than in western Europe.
> 
> "If it (the Guard) manages to legitimise itself over the longer term...
> more such groups will be formed and it will cause a strong fear in the
> public in a (young) democracy which still needs to be developed rather
> than challenged," Zoltan Fleck, professor of the sociology of law at
> Budapest's ELTE university, told Reuters.
> http://uk.reuters.com/article/worldN...50064920070825
> 
> 

http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/hungarys-right-gets-its-marching-orders/2007/08/26/1188066946090.html
http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=1355152007

Red and white striped flag is from Arpad, leader of the first Magyar 
tribe over 1000 years ago occupied the Danube region, now days Hungary!
This is the most patriotic flag Hungry has ever.
In 1945, before the end of the war for a few months Hungry had a extreme 
right government, defending Hungry from the attacking Red army.
They used the Arpad flag and Arrow cross as a symbol.
Jews don't like it, because some Jews were killed and deported to 
Aushcwitz, most likely for collaborating with the Soviets.
JS


http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/425822/1315232

Jews ask Hungary to stop far right
Aug 22, 2007 9:36 AM

Jewish leaders in Europe and the United States have called on Hungary to 
prevent a far-right party from forming a body whose uniforms will, they 
say, ape those worn in the World War Two fascist era.

The World Jewish Congress has asked Prime Minister Ferenc Gyurcsany to 
act against the Jobbik party's plan to form a "Hungarian Guard" with 
black uniforms and red-and-white flashes associated with Nazism.

"We respectfully call upon you to do your urgent utmost to see to it 
that any political party which manifests expressions of hatred or 
bigotry is stopped," the WJC said in an open letter to Gyurcsany published.


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Don't forget, Senator Lantos is a Hungarian Jew, came to the US after WW2!
Where does he get the power to ban follow Hungarians from entering into 
the US, because they belong to a right wing party?
JS



http://www.jobbik.com/index.php?categoryid=1&p2_articleid=22

Lantos: We'll ban members of the Hungarian Guard from the US
United States Representative Tom Lantos is prepared to get a list of 
members of the Hungarian Guard.

"The members of the Hungarian Guard are those people we would not allow 
to enter the US. I can personally guarantee that a list would be set up 
about these people and they would never enter the US." - Tom Lantos said 
at a press conference in Budapest, Hungary yesterday.



Lantos' speech and attack on Hungarian Guard caused uproar in Hungarian 
news as Lantos threats to exclude*Hungarian citizens from entering the 
US are unprecedented since the cold war. Tom Lantos also demanded that 
centre right parties Fidesz and KDNP to condemn the Hungarian Guard, 
established by Jobbik president Gabor Vona.

Vona has said that the initiation ceremony of the Hungarian Guard is to 
be conducted by Lajos Für, who was Defence Minister and president of the 
MDF in the mid 1990s. The MDF said it was shocked by Für’s participation 
in the event and said that the only goal of the Hungarian Guard was to 
threaten the silent majority. Main right-of-centre opposition party 
Fidesz and its allies the Christian Democrats have so far refused to 
condemn the formation of the guard.


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