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Heinrich wrote:
> http://www.science.co.il/Holocaust-Museums.asp 
> 
> 

..and how many for Jap-Americans or Germans, who lost every thing and 
were intern in the US during WW2?
JS


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Al Nakba wrote:
>  It is a large country..
> 

Russia even bigger, but only one can be found!
JS


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nosoup4u@bluebottle.com wrote:
>  Maybe the deportees landed in America.
> 

They try to bring a few ship loads, but held in ports for a few weeks , 
on reason Jews can bring in disease into the US, so they were transfered 
to Palestine.
JS



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James wrote:
> "Heinrich"  wrote in message 
> news:4bs57iF130svsU1@individual.net...
>> http://www.science.co.il/Holocaust-Museums.asp
> 
> Shouldn’t there be 50?   One in each state.
> 
> 

There should be none, idiot!
JS


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Joe Bruno wrote:
> Eugene Holman wrote:
>> In article <1145842771.625459.112080@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, "Joe
>> Bruno"  wrote:
>>
>>> Protagonist wrote:
>>>> Joe Bruno wrote:
>>>>> Protagonist wrote:
>>>>>> http://www.radio.hu/index.php?cikk_id=19636
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pictures about the "Blood and Honour", remembering of the
>>>>>> German-Hungarian break out in Budapest from the Soviet encirclement in
>>>>>> 1945. feb. 11.
>>>>>> Not far away, Jewish groups were protesting.
>>>>>> JS
>>>>> What are your qualifications for translating Hungarian into English?
>>>>>
>>>> Oh! The qualification! Like for Leuchter?
>>>> I studied English in Israel, Tel Aviv for 10 years and received a Nobel
>>>> Prize!
>>>> Is it an assurance for you, Bruno Baba????
>>>> JS
>>>
>>> I expected as much-you don't know anything about Hungarian.
>> With all due respect, Joe, Protagonist aka Szaki, is Hungarian by birth.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Eugene Holman
> 
> 
> So what? I know people born in the USA of German descent who don't
> speak any German. I know Italian-Americans who don't speak any Italian.
> My sister doesn't know any Russian.Neither did my brother.
> 

I'm a Hungarian, born and grow up in Hungary and not in the US, idiot.
English is only my second language!
JS



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Eugene Holman wrote:
> Posted for purposes of information and discussion only.
> 
> Regards,
> Eugene Holman
> 
> Source:
> http://today.reuters.com/news/NewsArticle.aspx?type=domesticNews&storyID=2006-05-16T220440Z_01_N16201681_RTRUKOC_0_US-SECURITY-USA-PENTAGON.xml
> 
> 
> US releases 9/11 video of Pentagon jet crash
> Tue May 16, 2006 6:04 PM ET
> 
> 
> By Will Dunham
> 
> WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Video images of a hijacked airliner slamming into
> the Pentagon taken by two security cameras on September 11 were released
> for the first time by the U.S. government on Tuesday.
> 
> The video, released by the government in conjunction with a Freedom of
> Information Act lawsuit filed by the Judicial Watch legal activist group,
> was a longer, more complete version of still-frame images that were leaked
> to the news media in 2002.
> 
> The front of the hijacked Boeing 757 can be seen entering one video frame,
> with a massive explosion and orange fireball erupting upon impact with the
> Pentagon, followed by a plume of smoke.
> 
> U.S. authorities have said five al Qaeda hijackers seized control of
> American Airlines Flight 77, a flight from Washington Dulles International
> Airport in northern Virginia bound for Los Angeles, and flew it into the
> Pentagon.
> Killed in the crash were 125 people inside the Pentagon, 59 passengers and
> crew members and the five hijackers.
> 
> It was one of four commercial planes hijacked that day. Others crashed
> into the World Trade Center in New York City and in a field near
> Shanksville, Pennsylvania. About 3,000 people were killed in the 2001
> attacks.
> 
> Judicial Watch said the Pentagon told the group it would release the
> images "now that the trial of Zacarias Moussaoui is over." Judicial Watch
> said the government previously had refused to release the video because it
> was "part of an ongoing investigation" involving Moussaoui, sentenced this
> month to life in prison for conspiracy in the September 11 attacks.
> 
> "We fought hard to obtain this video because we felt that it was very
> important to complete the public record with respect to the terrorist
> attacks of September 11," Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton said in a
> statement. "Finally, we hope that this video will put to rest the
> conspiracy theories involving American Airlines Flight 77."
> 
> Various claims have circulated that a commercial jet did not strike the
> Pentagon, but rather a missile or something else.
> 
> The Pentagon posted the images at
> http://www.defenselink.mil/pubs/foi/index.html.
> 
> 

I guess, it took  4 years to doctor the Pentagon video.
But I still don't see a Boing plane on there either. At least can't be 
identified clearly.
JS


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Ben Cramer wrote:
> "Eugene Holman"  wrote in message 
> news:holman-1705061522320001@c518-m3.eng.helsinki.fi...
>> In article , "Ben Cramer"
>> <[remove]bencramer7@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> I don't think I'll go quite so far as to follow your suggested actions,
>>> dopey, but I can tell you, it was no Boeing that impacted with the 
>>> Pentagon.
>> See the video at
>>
>> http://edition.cnn.com/video/player/player.html?url=/video/us/2006/05/16/mcintyre.911.pentagon.video.affl
>>
>> for an alternative, better substantiated view, including pictures of
>> fragments of the airplane and brief but damning example of the deliberate
>> manipulation of evidence by gung-ho conspiracy theorists.
> 
> I've had that video since the day after the event, along with another taken 
> from a store's security camera, which mysteriously disappeared from the 
> internet within hours of its being posted.
> 
> The video from the store's security camera, showed the tail of the object 
> which struck the Pentagon. It was not the tailplane of an Boeing. It was 
> significantly smaller. If you'd care to do an overlay of the images posted 
> today, with a scale of a 757, you would be able to see that the object in 
> the video released today, ain't no Boeing.
> 
> 
>> Regards,
>> Eugene Holman 
> 
> 

AS the French said, !
CRUSE MISSILE!!!!

http://www.f-lohmueller.de/pov_tut/xsamples/missile10.jpg
js


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Joe Bruno wrote:
> Protagonist wrote:
>> Eugene Holman wrote:
>>> Posted for purposes of information and discussion only.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Eugene Holman
>>>
>>> Source:
>>> http://today.reuters.com/news/NewsArticle.aspx?type=domesticNews&storyID=2006-05-16T220440Z_01_N16201681_RTRUKOC_0_US-SECURITY-USA-PENTAGON.xml
>>>
>>> 
>>> US releases 9/11 video of Pentagon jet crash
>>> Tue May 16, 2006 6:04 PM ET
>>>
>>>
>>> By Will Dunham
>>>
>>> WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Video images of a hijacked airliner slamming into
>>> the Pentagon taken by two security cameras on September 11 were released
>>> for the first time by the U.S. government on Tuesday.
>>>
>>> The video, released by the government in conjunction with a Freedom of
>>> Information Act lawsuit filed by the Judicial Watch legal activist group,
>>> was a longer, more complete version of still-frame images that were leaked
>>> to the news media in 2002.
>>>
>>> The front of the hijacked Boeing 757 can be seen entering one video frame,
>>> with a massive explosion and orange fireball erupting upon impact with the
>>> Pentagon, followed by a plume of smoke.
>>>
>>> U.S. authorities have said five al Qaeda hijackers seized control of
>>> American Airlines Flight 77, a flight from Washington Dulles International
>>> Airport in northern Virginia bound for Los Angeles, and flew it into the
>>> Pentagon.
>>> Killed in the crash were 125 people inside the Pentagon, 59 passengers and
>>> crew members and the five hijackers.
>>>
>>> It was one of four commercial planes hijacked that day. Others crashed
>>> into the World Trade Center in New York City and in a field near
>>> Shanksville, Pennsylvania. About 3,000 people were killed in the 2001
>>> attacks.
>>>
>>> Judicial Watch said the Pentagon told the group it would release the
>>> images "now that the trial of Zacarias Moussaoui is over." Judicial Watch
>>> said the government previously had refused to release the video because it
>>> was "part of an ongoing investigation" involving Moussaoui, sentenced this
>>> month to life in prison for conspiracy in the September 11 attacks.
>>>
>>> "We fought hard to obtain this video because we felt that it was very
>>> important to complete the public record with respect to the terrorist
>>> attacks of September 11," Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton said in a
>>> statement. "Finally, we hope that this video will put to rest the
>>> conspiracy theories involving American Airlines Flight 77."
>>>
>>> Various claims have circulated that a commercial jet did not strike the
>>> Pentagon, but rather a missile or something else.
>>>
>>> The Pentagon posted the images at
>>> http://www.defenselink.mil/pubs/foi/index.html.
>>>
>>> 
>> I guess, it took  4 years to doctor the Pentagon video.
>> But I still don't see a Boing plane on there either. At least can't be
>> identified clearly.
>> JS
> 
> What is a "Boing plane"? Is that a spring-loaded toy of some kind,
> moron?
> 

Try this Moron!
http://911review.org/brad.com/pentagonvideo_cctv_cam.html
JS


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Eugene Holman wrote:
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> <[remove]bencramer7@gmail.com> wrote:
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> 
>> The video from the store's security camera, showed the tail of the object 
>> which struck the Pentagon. It was not the tailplane of an Boeing. It was 
>> significantly smaller. If you'd care to do an overlay of the images posted 
>> today, with a scale of a 757, you would be able to see that the object in 
>> the video released today, ain't no Boeing.
> 
> How do you account for the fragments of the crashed aircraft bearing
> American Airlines livery found in the immediate vicinity?
> 
> Regards,
> Eugene Holman

It was possibly placed there!
Interesting, a huge plane crash into the building, all it's left of it 
is small piece of sheet metal.
Hole on the side of the Pentagon building is too small for a big plane 
like that.
JS


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Eugene Holman wrote:
> In article <_8ydnZ-egN__pfbZnZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@comcast.com>, Protagonist
>  wrote:
> 
>> Eugene Holman wrote:
>>> In article , "Ben Cramer"
>>> <[remove]bencramer7@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>> The video from the store's security camera, showed the tail of the object 
>>>> which struck the Pentagon. It was not the tailplane of an Boeing. It was 
>>>> significantly smaller. If you'd care to do an overlay of the images posted 
>>>> today, with a scale of a 757, you would be able to see that the object in 
>>>> the video released today, ain't no Boeing.
>>> How do you account for the fragments of the crashed aircraft bearing
>>> American Airlines livery found in the immediate vicinity?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Eugene Holman
>> It was possibly placed there!
> 
> Where did it come from so conveniently?
> 
>> Interesting, a huge plane crash into the building, all it's left of it 
>> is small piece of sheet metal.
> 
> No, thousands of fragments of metal and glass.
> 
>> Hole on the side of the Pentagon building is too small for a big plane 
>> like that.
> 
> Not if impact is at close to 1000 km/hr.
> 
> Regards,
> Eugene Holman

Oh sure, flying 1000km/hr close to the ground with a 757?
Gee, crop duster trainee pilots are really hot shot fliers, eh!
JS



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Eugene Holman wrote:
> In article , "Ben Cramer"
> <[remove]bencramer7@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> He states the wings folded up. Where are the wings? Hmmmm?
> 
> They were pulverized on impact and, serving also as the fuel tanks that
> exploded and fed the fire, those parts that were not strewn all over the
> place as fine pieces of debris were completely incinerated. You seem to
> forget that the wings were made of 1/8 inch thick aluminum and composite
> material, they were hollow, and they contained massive amounts of jet
> fuel. What would you expect to be left after impact with a granite
> building at more than 650 km/hr?
> 
> Regards,
> Eugene Holman

Wings and the engine are the strongest part  of the plane, it won't fly 
with out them.
JS



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comhemkingtut@yahoo.se wrote:
> Protagonist skrev:
> 
>> Eugene Holman wrote:
>>> In article , "Ben Cramer"
>>> <[remove]bencramer7@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>> The video from the store's security camera, showed the tail of the object
>>>> which struck the Pentagon. It was not the tailplane of an Boeing. It was
>>>> significantly smaller. If you'd care to do an overlay of the images posted
>>>> today, with a scale of a 757, you would be able to see that the object in
>>>> the video released today, ain't no Boeing.
>>> How do you account for the fragments of the crashed aircraft bearing
>>> American Airlines livery found in the immediate vicinity?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Eugene Holman
>> It was possibly placed there!
>> Interesting, a huge plane crash into the building, all it's left of it
>> is small piece of sheet metal.
>> Hole on the side of the Pentagon building is too small for a big plane
>> like that.
>> JS
> 
> Placed there? How on earth? Oh, a bit like this then:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> - Mr President Sir! Now we are about to strike the Pentagon! By using a
> standard military missile we hit it from the side.
> 
> - Hold it! Why are we using a missile?
> 
> - Well, because they are great at hitting buildings!
> 
> - Yes I know that, but what will be the official explanation for a
> missile hitting the Pentagon? Do we say that terrorists have gained
> access to our supplies?
> 
> - No, and here comes the cool part - We say its a fourth flight! Its
> hijacked aswell!
> 
> - Ummm, but how do we invent a fourth flight?
> 
> - We will.
> 
> - Umm but what about the crew at the airport and the Airline company?
> 
> - All in on it! Not a problem!
> 
> - But there wont be an airplane there to see? There will only be
> missile debris! Wont people know?
> 
> - Well, no problem! We got several trucks filled with airplane debris
> and wreckage that we will put on the lawn and in the building! Plus! We
> got several planted fake witnesses saying they actually saw an airplane
> coming in!
> 
> - But wont people around that area be suspicous if we come in with
> trucks with airplane wreckage and dump it there? There are quite a lot
> of people, tourists and stuff in that area you know! Not to mention all
> the military personel who are often professionally trained to see the
> difference between an airplane and a missile! What will the
> firefighters and medical crews say if we run around with trucks and put
> stuff there? And how will we dump the wreckage inside the buildings?
> Wont it be hot? Wont the crash experts see through us?
> 
> - Not a problem! We will ummm...sneak real good. Plus all the military,
> firefighting, medical and police crews are in on it. And the crash
> experts.
> 
> - But what will we do with the missile wreackage?
> 
> - We will remove it while planting the airplane debris!
> 
> - But wont that be difficult with reporters swarming, people looking
> for missing people and with photographers everywere?
> 
> - Yes, but we are the US military. We can do anything. And as I told
> you we own the media, including the Discovery channel. They are in on
> it too!
> 
> - And what if the fake witnesses talk?
> 
> - They wont because they are in on it aswell. If they do we will kill
> them!
> 
> - But wouldnt it look weird if all witnesses suddenly died?
> 
> - No, because people die all the time.
> 
> - But why go through all this trouble? Why not use a remote controlled
> airplane as we did WTC 1 and 2? Then we wouldnt have to plant all this
> stuff, fake witnesses and we wouldnt risk anyone finding left behind
> missile stuff there! We would in fact have real witnesses, real
> wreckage and real photos!
> 
> - Because.
> 
> - Because?
> 
> - Yes.
> 
> - Umm ok.
> 
> 
> 

No! I guess it landed on some ones desk in the Pentagon, so she dumped 
it out on the window. That's how it got there.
Took a while to find it, too.
JS



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Eugene Holman wrote:
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> <[remove]bencramer7@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> "Eugene Holman"  wrote in message 
>> news:holman-1705061701340001@c518-m3.eng.helsinki.fi...
> 
> 
>>> How do you account for the fragments of the crashed aircraft bearing
>>> American Airlines livery found in the immediate vicinity?
>> There were no aircraft fragments ound in the immediate vicinity. That's an 
>> absolute lie.
> 
> Is it?
> 
> Nose landing gear fragments:
> http://69.57.144.30/ats/pentagon757/landinggear002.jpg
> http://69.57.144.30/ats/pentagon757/rim1.jpg
> compare
> http://69.57.144.30/ats/pentagon757/rim2.jpg
> 
> Jet engine fragments:
> http://69.57.144.30/ats/pentagon757/planeparts-1.jpg
> http://69.57.144.30/ats/pentagon757/Damage9.jpg
> http://69.57.144.30/ats/pentagon757/Damage9.jpg
> 
> Damaged lightpoles, as reported by eyewitnesses:
> http://69.57.144.30/ats/pentagon757/1-1s.jpg
> http://69.57.144.30/ats/pentagon757/1s.jpg
> 
> Fuselage wreckage with AA livery:
> http://69.57.144.30/ats/pentagon757/757-americanlogo.jpg
> http://www.news.navy.mil/management/photodb/webphoto/web_010911-N-6157F-001.jpg
> http://www.pentagonresearch.com/images/173.jpg
> 
> The black boxes:
> http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0109/14/se.42.html
> 
> 
> 
> CNN LIVE EVENT/SPECIAL
> America Under Attack: Black Box Found at Pentagon
> Aired September 14, 2001 - 05:59   ET
> 
> THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY
> BE UPDATED.
> 
> THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY
> BE UPDATED.
> JONATHAN MANN, CNN ANCHOR: And we're now in a position to confirm that in
> an investigation that stretches all of the way around the world, some
> promising progress here in the United States. The discovery and retrival
> of the black boxes from the rubble at the Pentagon.
> 
> CNN's Bob Franken joins us now with more on this story. Bob?
> 
> BOB FRANKEN, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Good morning, John. Pentagon
> sources confirm that they are about to put out a news release saying that
> overnight, the black boxes, those are the ones that record data and voice
> information, on the American Airline 757 which crashed into the Pentagon,
> causing such a calamity, the black boxes have now been discovered
> overnight. 
> 
> We had reported yesterday afternoon that officials has heard pings in the
> rubble, rubble which of course was so difficult to get to. You can see
> when you see pictures of the outside of the building that it's a very
> precarious situation, that it is just really, really in chaos and, of
> course, just a construction nightmare. But they had been hearing pings
> first the day before, then yesterday and now we're hearing that they have
> gotten the black boxes. They are in possession the black boxes from the
> plane, which had taken off from Dulles Airport and had ultimately been
> turned around and crashed into the Pentagon -- Jon.
> 
> CAROL LIN, CNN ANCHOR: All right, thank you very much. Bob Franken
> reporting live there.
> 
> 
> 
> Eye witness testimony:
> 
> Source: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/911_pentagon_757_plane_evidence.html
> 
> Lets look at some eye witness testimony sticking only to people who saw a
> plane hit the building, and not look at people who saw an airliner, but
> didn't see an airplane hit the building because they looked away or were
> too far away (behind a hill, behind a building, etc) to see it actually
> hit the building. 
> 
> 
> "Aydan Kizildrgli, an English language student who is a native of Turkey,
> saw the jetliner bank slightly then strike a western wall of the huge
> five-sided building that is the headquarters of the nation's military.
> 'There was a big boom,' he said. 'Everybody was in shock. I turned around
> to the car behind me and yelled "Did you see that?" Nobody could believe
> it.'" 
> - "Bush Vows Retaliation for 'Evil Acts'." USA Today, 11 Sep 2001 
> 
> "Frank Probst, an information management specialist for the Pentagon
> Renovation Program, left his office trailer near the Pentagon's south
> parking lot at 9:36 a.m. Sept. 11. Walking north beside Route 27, he
> suddenly saw a commercial airliner crest the hilltop Navy Annex. American
> Airlines Flight 77 reached him so fast and flew so low that Probst dropped
> to the ground, fearing he'd lose his head to its right engine." 
> - "A Defiant Recovery." The Retired Officer Magazine, January 2002 
> 
> "Omar Campo, a Salvadorean, was cutting the grass on the other side of the
> road when the plane flew over his head. 'It was a passenger plane. I think
> an American Airways plane,' Mr Campo said. 'I was cutting the grass and it
> came in screaming over my head. I felt the impact. The whole ground shook
> and the whole area was full of fire. I could never imagine I would see
> anything like that here.'" 
> - "Pentagon Eyewitness Accounts." The Guardian, 12 Sep 2001 
> 
> "Afework Hagos, a computer programmer, was on his way to work but stuck in
> a traffic jam near the Pentagon when the plane flew over. 'There was a
> huge screaming noise and I got out of the car as the plane came over.
> Everybody was running away in different directions. It was tilting its
> wings up and down like it was trying to balance. It hit some lampposts on
> the way in.'" 
> - "Pentagon Eyewitness Accounts." The Guardian, 12 Sep 2001 
> 
> "Henry Ticknor, intern minister at the Unitarian Universalist Church of
> Arlington, Virginia, was driving to church that Tuesday morning when
> American Airlines Flight 77 came in fast and low over his car and struck
> the Pentagon. 'There was a puff of white smoke and then a huge billowing
> black cloud,' he said." 
> - "Hell on Earth." UU World, Jan/Feb 20 
> 
> "We were the only people, we think, who saw it live," Dan Creed said. He
> and two colleagues from Oracle software were stopped in a car near the
> Naval Annex, next to the Pentagon, when they saw the plane dive down and
> level off. "It was no more than 30 feet off the ground, and it was
> screaming. It was just screaming. It was nothing more than a guided
> missile at that point," Creed said. "I can still see the plane. I can
> still see it right now. It's just the most frightening thing in the world,
> going full speed, going full throttle, its wheels up," - Ahwatukee
> Foothill News 
> 
> Gary Bauer former Presidential candidate, "I looked at the woman sitting
> in the car next to me. She had this startled look on her face. We were all
> thinking the same thing. We looked out the front of our windows to try to
> see the plane, and it wasnt until a few seconds later that we realized the
> jet was coming up behind us on that major highway. And it veered to the
> right into the Pentagon. The blast literally rocked all of our cars. It
> was an incredible moment." Massachusetts News 
> 
> Sean Boger, Air Traffic Controller and Pentagon tower chief - "I just
> looked up and I saw the big nose and the wings of the aircraft coming
> right at us and I just watched it hit the building," Air Traffic
> Controller and Pentagon tower chief Sean Boger said. "It exploded. I fell
> to the ground and covered my head. I could actually hear the metal going
> through the building." dcmilitary.com November 16, 2001 
> 
> "The only way you could tell that an aircraft was inside was that we saw
> pieces of the nose gear. The devastation was horrific. It was obvious that
> some of the victims we found had no time to react. The distance the
> firefighters had to travel down corridors to reach the fires was a
> problem. With only a good 25 minutes of air in their SCBA bottles, to save
> air they left off their face pieces as they walked and took in a lot of
> smoke," Captain Defina said. Captain Defina was the shift commander [of an
> aircraft rescue firefighters crew.] NFPA Journal November 1, 2001 
> 
> 
>> Take a look at the photographs of the impact site on the Pentagon. There are 
>> support beams right beside the very small gap in the building, with nary a 
>> mark on them. Had a Boeing struck the building the hole would have been 
>> larger, and these support beams would have been damaged. 
> 
> Because you say so? Not much is going to be left of a hollow 3.8 x 4.1
> meter aluminum tube striking a brick granite building with a load of fuel
> large enough to fly it across the continent.
> 
>> There is no 
>> evidence of wing strike damage anywhere on the building, and there is no 
>> sign of fire on the left hand side of the gap in building.
> 
> Source: http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/pentagon/pentagon-email_20020316.html
> 
> 
> 
> 4. There are photographs, which show representations of a Boeing 757-200
> superimposed on the section of the building that was hit.  
> What happened to the wings of the aircraft? Why isn't there any wing damage? 
> There was wing damage, but remember the plane's wings are 1/8" aluminum
> against solid granite.  The wings disintegrated and spewed small parts and
> pieces across some 800 feet by 300+ feet of area to the front of the
> building.  If you look closely at the pictures I posted, you'll see an
> impact hole that basically accounts for the fuselage and to width of where
> the engines were on the wings.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> Have you any idea of the physical size of a Boeing? 
> 
> Do you mean a Boeing 747 jumbo jet, or a far smaller Boeing 737 short-haul
> jet? You can't focus on suitable answers if you pose your questions so
> sloppily. In this case it as a Boeing 757-200, a medium-sized aircraft.
> However, you must not allow yourself to be deceived by the size of the
> aircraft when it is standing on the tarmac, and the size of what impacted
> the Pentagon. From the standpoint of what hit the Pentagon, the Boeing
> 757-200 is a hollow aluminum tube, 3.8 meters wide and 4.1 meters tall
> (http://www.airliners.net/info/stats.main?id=101), with attached wings,
> also made of hollow aluminum and compoisites and full of aviation fuel,
> beginning about one third down the fuselage, and horizontal stabilizers
> and and a vertical rudder nine tenths down the fuselage, these, too, of
> hollow aluminum and composites, flying at more than 600 km/hr upon impact.
> The impact and instantaneous explosion would have destroyed the wings and
> tail structures before they had a chance to penetrate. The size of the
> hole in the side of the Pentagon is consistent with what one could expect
> consequent to an impact with a 3.8 x 4.1 m oval shaped aluminum tube whose
> attached appendages were shorn off and incinerated immediatele upon impact
> with a much sturdier structure. The nose landing gear, made of solid metal
> and anterior to the wings and fuel tanks, was intact enough to be
> recognizable inside the Pentagon.
> 
>> Have you seen the scale 
>> drawings of a Boeing, overlaid on the area of damage, to scale?
> 
> Of course. For example:
> http://69.57.144.30/ats/pentagon757/Pentagon3.jpg
> and 
> http://69.57.144.30/ats/pentagon757/small-757.jpg
> 
> A larger picture of the hole is at 
> http://69.57.144.30/ats/pentagon757/your-own-evidence.jpg
> 
> If a hollow aluminum tube with attached wings full of jet fuel beginning
> one third a way down the fuselage, I would expect the wings, also hollow,
> to be shorn off on impact and incinerated in the ensuing conflagration,
> ditto for the rudder and stabilizers. This aircraft had just taken off and
> was carrying enough fuel for a transcontinental flight. In emergency
> situations when an airplane has to turn back just after takeoff it
> routinely dumps its fuel because otherwise there would be a high risk of a
> fire and explosion if it were to land with its tanks full.
> 
>> No way it was a Boeing.
> 
> People who were there on the scene disagree with you.
> 
> Source: http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/pentagon/pentagon-email_20020316.html
> 
> 
> 
> When asked by a journalist: "Where is the jet fuel?" The chief responded,
> "We have what we believe is a puddle right there that the what we believe
> is to be the nose of the aircraft." 
> 
> These are red herrings taken from a news conference just a day after the
> event.  The Chief was not well enough informed at that point to answer
> those questions.  There was a debris field in the front of the E-Ring
> littered with small pieces of the plane.  The fires were still raging
> 1600+ degrees in other areas of the building where the plane passed and
> fueled by material in the building.  The aviation gas was vaporized on
> contact with the building when the wings were ruptured.  The mass of the
> liquid was carried forward deep into the building to the point where it
> started fires 240 feet into the building and up to the 5th floor.  There
> were no puddles of aviation gas because they were all burning.  One look
> at the color of the smoke rising would tell anyone who's aware of aircraft
> fires all they need to know.  
>  
> Notwithstanding the collective myopia in not being able to see what we are
> being told, there are more questions.  
> 
> One pilot wrote, "I flew the Boeing 747 jumbo jet, but not this 757 from
> what I see (or don't see) looking at these pictures, it's hard to pick out
> aircraft parts:  
> · ·         The wingtip alone would have sheared off and bounced back into
> the street, the two engines would have penetrated deeper into the wall and
> framing structure further than any other part making a definite hole.  
> That's partially what happened.  People are forgetting the aircraft was
> traveling at 350+ mph.  When it rammed the solid granite, the mass carried
> it and the engines through the E-Ring, but the less sturdy parts of the
> aircraft were immediately reduced to scrap.
> · ·         The belly of the aircraft contains, fuel tanks, baggage,
> mailbags, and cargo; none of this type debris can be seen.  
> Correct.  That debris was carried forward into the building's other rings
> and offices. 
> · Assuming 8,600 gallons of kerosene fuel at a specific gravity of approx
> 6.9 lbs/gal (temperature considered) weight of the fuel would be close to
> 60,000 lbs and would splatter everywhere.  
> True, and it did just that.  The initial fireball seen on the tape was not
> the entirety of the blast.  Much of the fuel was carried forward and into
> the hallways, corridors, rings, and offices.  The fuel ignited a split
> second later and vaporized many workers at their desks.  The ferocity of
> the fires on the outside of the building were caused by the aviation fuel.
> 
> · Where are the seats, those with passengers buckled in would be ripped
> out of the floor, for that matter, where are the passengers?  
> The passengers were carried into the building with the aircraft.  Some
> were blown out and carried over the top of the E-Ring, still strapped into
> their seats.  I believe all the bodies from the Pentagon were recovered
> and identified, I think there were one or two passengers (and this was as
> of October) not yet identified.  The well being of the families dictated
> all aspects of casualty recovery be strictly handled with the care of the
> deceased paramount.
> 
> 
> 
> It was a Boeing, specifically the Boeing 757-200 of American Airlines
> flight 77. Among the physical evidence proving this are the fragments
> found at the scene bearing the American Airlines livery, the relatively
> intact nose landing gear, the down streetlamps in the immediate vicinity
> of the crash, the color and smell of the fire, and the bodies of the
> passengers sill strapped to their seats as well as the flight recorders
> found inside the Pentagon. This evidence is consistent with the eyewitness
> accounts elicited independently from the people who were at the scene of
> the crash when it took occurred.
> 
> Regards,
> Eugene Holman

Very few evidence from a big plane like the 757.
JS


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Eugene Holman wrote:
> In article , "Ben Cramer"
> <[remove]bencramer7@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>> No way it was a Boeing.
> 
> Hint: Mike Walter was there, you weren't.
> 
> Source: http://www.pentagonresearch.com/mike.html
> 
> 
> 
> 
> QUESTION: Can you describe how you became aware of the aircraft?
> 
> MIKE WALTER: I will never forget that day, trapped in traffic and then I
> rolled down the window and heard the sound of the jet overhead. I wasnıt
> surprised. I worked in the USA today building in Roslyn nearby and we were
> used to seeing a lot of choppers coming to the helipad at the Pentagon and
> a lot of commercial jets heading to Reagan which is nearby. But for some
> reason I looked up and saw the underbelly of the jet as it gracefully
> banked, then I watched in shock as the jet basically lined up the Pentagon
> in its sights and began to scream towards the mammoth structure. I watched
> as it continued to dip from the sky, diving towards the Pentagon. There
> are some trees that are adjacent to 27 the road I was stuck on, so the jet
> went out of sight momentarily. Then I picked it up as it struck very low
> into the Pentagon. The wings folded back and it was like watching someone
> slam an empty aluminum can into a wall. The jet folded up like an
> accordion. There was a huge fireball. There was the initial shock of what
> had just happened. All of the drivers seemed to be in a trance. Then
> suddenly it ended when a woman began to scream, ³They just hit the
> Pentagon, get back, get back.² She backed her SUV back and forth until she
> was able to create a crease and then she speed out of the area on the
> emergency lane. Thatıs when all hell broke loose as people began trying to
> get out of the area any way they could, some went forward, and others
> turned their cars around and drove in the wrong direction. All in an
> effort to get out of the area.
> QUESTION: How did you end up getting interviewed?
> 
> MIKE WALTER: I had a choice to make. Did I want to get out of the area and
> drive into work? That would mean continuing an 27, and then turning into
> the Pentagon North Parking lot exit. That exit allowed me to swing around
> and get on to 110 which took me right to work. On a normal day I was
> merely 5 minutes away. Or I could pull over and park and wait for a
> photographer to arrive. This would obviously be the story I would cover on
> this day. I decided to pull over. As I got out of the car and made my way
> towards the Pentagon I saw pieces of wreckage on the ground. Your natural
> instinct is to reach down and pick up the pieces and look at them. But I
> decided against it, because I knew that the wreckage was evidence. So I
> continued on. I was driven to find a photographer for the station that we
> worked with here in the nationıs capital. I wanted to make sure that they
> knew I had witnessed the impact and could describe what happened. I
> finally found a photographer. He had me explain where I was on camera and
> describe what I had seen. He then directed me to an area where an anchor
> was beginning to go live. I had to scale a fence and walk quite a distance
> to get to him. I got to the top of the fence and as I was transitioning to
> the other side I lost my balance somewhat and managed to cut a huge gash
> in my right hand before I could finally grab a hold of the chain link
> fence and get my balance. I still carry that physical scar and the
> psychological scars of that day. Once I had found the anchor and explained
> what I had seen the word began to spread that I was a witness. There were
> lots of witnesses there that day but they had left the area after the
> attack. I was interviewed by a man from Bloomberg, then John McWethy of
> ABC news interviewed me, and then the floodgates opened. I was interviewed
> by people from a variety of print and television outlets. A young producer
> with CBS asked if I would be on with Bryant Gumbel on the early morning
> broadcast the next morning. I agreed to do it, and would also appear on
> the CBC as well the next morning. But it was later in the day after I had
> spoken with my daughter on the phone that I consented to an interview with
> Jamie McIntyre with CNN. My daughter had just told me that a number of her
> friendsı parents who worked at the Pentagon were missing. She was very
> upset, and I had no words to comfort her. Jamie asked a number of
> questions and I talked about that phone call and how tough the day was.
> 
> QUESTION: As you know, a descriptive phrase you used was taken to mean an
> aircraft didn't strike the Pentagon. How has this affected you?
> 
> MIKE WALTER: I donıt really remember the questions that were asked that
> day, I donıt really even remember what my answers were. The day became a
> blur really. But I do remember using a metaphor to describe what happened.
> I indicated to Jamie that the jet had become a weapon that day. I said it
> was like a cruise missile with wings. I never imagined for a moment that a
> statement like that would come back to haunt me over and over again. A
> French author would come out with a book describing in detail the
> conspiracy theory and he would use that quote out of context to help
> promote his conclusions. I was very angry about all of this, and I remain
> angry about it today. Iım also upset that so many people lost their lives
> that day and while some people who have written about that tragic day have
> donated any and all proceeds to the victims of 9-11, he has capitalized on
> it to make an awful lot of money. His book went on to be a best seller in
> France. My suggestion, buy ³Covering Catastrophe² instead. It was written
> by the reporters who were there in Arlington, and in New York, and in
> Pennsylvania. The conclusion in the French book is absurd. I saw the jet;
> there is no doubt in my mind it was a jet that slammed into the Pentagon.
> As a result of his book Iıve been interviewed by both print and television
> reporters from France, and England. Recently on the anniversary of that
> terrible day I was once again interviewed for a documentary in Japan on
> this same issue.
> 
> QUESTION: What was your impression of the aircraft and its maneuver?
> 
> MIKE WALTER: I donıt know very much about aviation. Thereıs an irony to
> this since my father worked at Lockheed. I have a vivid memory as a child
> of going to an air show with my father and him describing to me the
> various makes of the jets. But to me for whatever reason I just have never
> spent a lot of time trying to discern the differences. I knew it was a big
> commercial airline. I saw the AA on the side so I knew it was an American
> Airlines passenger jet. I was surprised at how graceful and slow the
> banking of the jet appeared to be, and how quickly it accelerated after it
> had lined up the Pentagon.
> QUESTION: When the aircraft flew in front of you, how far away was it at
> its closet point?
> 
> MIKE WALTER: I was stuck in traffic, but by my estimation it seemed as
> though it was about 8 or 9 car lengths in front of me. It was in the air
> coming down at a high rate of speed and a steep decline.
> 
> QUESTION: Did you see the aircraft from nose to tail?
> 
> MIKE WALTER: Yes.
> 
> QUESTION: What do you remember most about it?
> 
> MIKE WALTER: I just remember thinking that I have to remember all of this;
> I have to take it all in. I just remember most that it struck very low
> into the Pentagon. I also will never forget seeing that AA insignia. I was
> asked by the FBI agent if I could make out any of the people on board the
> plane. But that would be an impossibility. It went by so quick, but I am
> still haunted by what I saw, and the thoughts of what it must be like to
> be on that plane heading toward sudden death. I have to be honest I
> suffered from a lot of nightmares in the days and weeks that followed. In
> one nightmare my boss would give me a mop and I would go up on the roof
> and start to clean it and then a jet would come slamming into the roof. In
> another nightmare I would be on the plane, and all of the people would be
> faceless. There was every variety of nightmare that you could imagine. And
> if I was alone in a car traveling and stuck in traffic I would replay it
> in my mind over and over again. Iıll never forget one incident when a big
> 18 wheeler was passing and one of its tires blew out, and I remember
> jumping. It was a tough period.
> 
> QUESTION: Do you recall any turbulence or wind force associated with its
> passing?
> 
> MIKE WALTER: I donıt recall any turbulence or wind force.
> 
> QUESTION: Did you see it hit anything prior to approaching the Pentagon?
> 
> MIKE WALTER: There were periods where it seemed like the pilot was trying
> to stabilize it, I believe that may have been when it hit one of the light
> poles. But I donıt remember it hitting anything early on, although I am
> sure it must have hit one of the light poles right around the area where I
> was. Like I said to you yesterday you tend to second guess yourself
> because so many people have said so many different things. I do feel like
> it struck something near the point of impact, because I kind of remember
> sparks or something and the jet kind of wobbling or whatever right before
> impact.
> 
> QUESTION: How far away would you estimate that you were from seeing the
> aircraft hit the building?
> 
> MIKE WALTER: Iım not good with distances. I was quite some distance away.
> 
> QUESTION: Can you describe what you recall of the actual impact?
> 
> MIKE WALTER: I just remember that it seemed like slow motion. Again the
> thing that seemed so remarkable to me was just how this gigantic jet just
> folded up like a little tin can. It was truly amazing. I also remember the
> sound of the explosion, and the fireball, and then of course once I was
> out of my car and closer I heard the other explosions which we talked
> about yesterday. [My note: On the audio portion of Bob Pugh's video you
> can hear muffled explosions minutes into the event, this is what is being
> referred to.]
> 
> QUESTION: After you parked your car and approached the Pentagon on foot
> what was your impression of the debris?
> 
> MIKE WALTER: I didnıt see a significant amount of debris. I just remember
> two things about this. One was the piece of wreckage I described earlier
> and the instinct to pick it up. Then I remember at some point later in the
> morning seeing a guy holding a piece of wreckage next to his head with the
> Pentagon in the background smiling and having his picture taken. I canıt
> describe for you the rage I felt. I unleashed on the guy and told him that
> he had no business doing what he was doing and that this was evidence and
> he should have just left it where he found it. He then said oh well
> thereıs a guy collecting the stuff right now, so he just walked it over to
> this guy. I felt like the collection of the evidence was pretty
> disorganized. But it was a very fluid situation, and no one really knew
> what was going to happen next. After all there were two attacks in New
> York, so naturally people were jittery and concerned about another
> possible strike here. There was just an awful lot of chaos.
> 
> QUESTION: Were you ever asked any questions by officials at the scene?
> 
> MIKE WALTER: I spoke to a military PIO [Public Information Officer]. He
> told me that the FBI wanted to talk to me. I gave him my card with my
> number on it. This is when I began crying about what I had seen. I was
> pretty embarrassed by this. Iıve witnessed a lot of bad things in my
> career. Shootings, fatal fires, earthquakes, tornadoes, and Iıve also been
> in a war zone. So I was really surprised at this response. He hugged me,
> and told me that it was okay and that I was in a state of shock. If I
> remember correctly the agent called me later that day and left a message.
> I called her back and talked to her briefly. The next morning two agents
> interviewed me at work.
> 
> QUESTION: Have you ever been approached by people with theories that
> contradict what you saw?
> 
> MIKE WALTER: Iıve only been interviewed by people about this as I
> described earlier. In fact it seems like I do more interviews about the
> conspiracy now then I do the attack. Itıs strange.
> 
> QUESTION: Is there anything else you would like to add?
> 
> MIKE WALTER: I know a lot of people have different theories about what
> happened that day. I donıt have any theories, I just have two eyes! I saw
> what I saw. It was an American Airlines jet that slammed into the Pentagon
> that day. I have nothing to gain or loose by saying this. The truth is the
> truth, thatıs what happened. The reason why Iıve consented to this
> interview is because Iıve learned a lot as a result of that day. Iım a guy
> who grew up reading books, newspapers, and magazines. Iım a guy who
> watches television and listens to the radio. Those are the mediums that
> Iım comfortable with and understand. Iıve written for radio, TV,
> newspapers and even contributed to two books. Having said that, I
> understand the power of the web, and did before 9-11. But it really hit
> home afterwards. So many websites have critiqued my words, and added
> meaning to statements I made by taking them out of context. Some how Iıve
> been trapped on the World Wide Web and my words have been used to promote
> this theory or that. Iıve been criticized and critiqued. Iım not sure what
> the theory will be on this website, in fact I donıt really care what it
> is. All I know is someone was kind enough to ask me to answer their
> questions instead of just jumping to conclusions, and for that I thank
> you. I know people tend to gravitate towards conspiracy theories, I canıt
> stop them. People will believe what they want to believe, but I know what
> I saw that day. [END]
> 
> This interview with Mike was in an email format on 1/17/05. The phone
> calls did not cover anything critical that isn't in the interview. I ask
> that any quotes from this interview please be used in context and with the
> knowledge that it was subjective on my part and not intended as a
> fact-finding statement. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> It was a Boeing 757-200.
> 
> Regards,
> Eugene Holman


OH no! Here comes the multi million $$$ suing for the nightmares Mike 
Walter suffered!
JS

 >>MIKE WALTER:
  It went by so quick, but I am
still haunted by what I saw, and the thoughts of what it must be like to
be on that plane heading toward sudden death. I have to be honest I
suffered from a lot of nightmares in the days and weeks that followed. In
one nightmare my boss would give me a mop and I would go up on the roof
and start to clean it and then a jet would come slamming into the roof. In
another nightmare I would be on the plane, and all of the people would be
faceless. There was every variety of nightmare that you could imagine. And
if I was alone in a car traveling and stuck in traffic I would replay it
in my mind over and over again. Iıll never forget one incident when a big
18 wheeler was passing and one of its tires blew out, and I remember
jumping. It was a tough period.<<


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Roger wrote:
> In one age, called the Second Age by some,
>    (an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
>       someone claiming to be Protagonist wrote
>          in message : 
> 
>> Eugene Holman wrote:
> 
>>>> He states the wings folded up. Where are the wings? Hmmmm?
> 
>>> They were pulverized on impact and, serving also as the fuel tanks that
>>> exploded and fed the fire, those parts that were not strewn all over the
>>> place as fine pieces of debris were completely incinerated. You seem to
>>> forget that the wings were made of 1/8 inch thick aluminum and composite
>>> material, they were hollow, and they contained massive amounts of jet
>>> fuel. What would you expect to be left after impact with a granite
>>> building at more than 650 km/hr?
> 
>> Wings and the engine are the strongest part  of the plane, it won't fly 
>> with out them.
> 
> .... and are, of course, built to withstand several hundred miles per
> hour impacts with reinforced concrete and steel, since this happens
> ***all the time*** in a normal flight day...

Nothing is built to withstand that kind of an impact.
Wing has to hold most of the fuel and support the body of the plane in 
flight.
In some of the fighter planes honey-comb material is used for extra 
strength in the wings.
JS




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Roger wrote:
> In one age, called the Second Age by some,
>    (an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
>       someone claiming to be R. Felts. wrote
>          in message <1461940.EKMxkfKgjl@OpenBSD>: 
>   
>> The Einsatzgruppen
>>
>> Much of my first, second and final days on the stand was devoted to
>> questions about the activities of the "Einsatz gruppen" security police
>> units, a subject which prosecution witness Browning had dealt with earlier
>> in some detail. The Einsatzgruppen, I explained, were special task forces
>> responsible for quickly imposing a "sort of 'rough and ready' form of order
>> and security" in the newly-occupied Soviet territories before the
>> establishment of regular civil administration. 
> 
> .... in addition to rounding up and killing Jews, including women and
> children.
> 
> Why the new nym, idiot child?

Jews were the communist idiot Roger, they ran the Soviet system and 
committed many atrocities them self also!
Stalin would execute families, relatives if some one do wrong against 
the state , for punishment.
Just watch the movies "Enemy at the gates" or "Stalin", clearly showing it.
Jews were the partizan's fighting against the Germans also, it was war.
US troops don't do better against terrorist in Iraq either.
JS






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Roger wrote:
> In one age, called the Second Age by some,
>    (an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
>       someone claiming to be 127.0.0.1 wrote
>          in message <32816889.3xF0n4pGAV@OpenBSD>: 
> 
>> Roger wrote:
> 
>>>> The Einsatzgruppen
>>>>
>>>> Much of my first, second and final days on the stand was devoted to
>>>> questions about the activities of the "Einsatz gruppen" security police
>>>> units, a subject which prosecution witness Browning had dealt with earlier
>>>> in some detail. The Einsatzgruppen, I explained, were special task forces
>>>> responsible for quickly imposing a "sort of 'rough and ready' form of
>>>> order and security" in the newly-occupied Soviet territories before the
>>>> establishment of regular civil administration.
> 
>>> ... in addition to rounding up and killing Jews, including women and
>>> children.
> 
>> Didn't happen.
> 
> Why did they report back that it had, then?

Have to report it!
  Those numbers of reports were overstated any way!
JS


> 
>>> Why the new nym, idiot child?
> 
>> And you know that was me - how?
> 
> Amazing, the things that can be determined from headers.


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Roger wrote:
> In one age, called the Second Age by some,
>    (an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
>       someone claiming to be Protagonist wrote
>          in message : 
> 
>> Roger wrote:
> 
>>>>>> The Einsatzgruppen
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Much of my first, second and final days on the stand was devoted to
>>>>>> questions about the activities of the "Einsatz gruppen" security police
>>>>>> units, a subject which prosecution witness Browning had dealt with earlier
>>>>>> in some detail. The Einsatzgruppen, I explained, were special task forces
>>>>>> responsible for quickly imposing a "sort of 'rough and ready' form of
>>>>>> order and security" in the newly-occupied Soviet territories before the
>>>>>> establishment of regular civil administration.
> 
>>>>> ... in addition to rounding up and killing Jews, including women and
>>>>> children.
> 
>>>> Didn't happen.
> 
>>> Why did they report back that it had, then?
> 
>> Have to report it!
>>  Those numbers of reports were overstated any way!
> 
> Why would they have exaggerated the number of children they had shot,
> idiot?

To make them self look good, how good job they doing, moron!
This was a war, WW2.
If your were a partizan and they can't catch you, they would deal with 
your family.
It was a norm in those days, Stalin was very good at that.
Deported the hole Chechen nation to Siberia !
You think the US cared about Jap-Americans or German-Americans when they 
were locked up in concentration camps?
JS





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Roger wrote:
> In one age, called the Second Age by some,
>    (an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
>       someone claiming to be Protagonist wrote
>          in message : 
> 
>> Roger wrote:
> 
>>>> The Einsatzgruppen
>>>>
>>>> Much of my first, second and final days on the stand was devoted to
>>>> questions about the activities of the "Einsatz gruppen" security police
>>>> units, a subject which prosecution witness Browning had dealt with earlier
>>>> in some detail. The Einsatzgruppen, I explained, were special task forces
>>>> responsible for quickly imposing a "sort of 'rough and ready' form of order
>>>> and security" in the newly-occupied Soviet territories before the
>>>> establishment of regular civil administration. 
> 
>>> .... in addition to rounding up and killing Jews, including women and
>>> children.
>>>
>>> Why the new nym, idiot child?
> 
>> Jews were the communist idiot Roger, they ran the Soviet system and 
>> committed many atrocities them self also!
> 
> No, they weren't -- certainly not the children.
> 
>> Stalin would execute families, relatives if some one do wrong against 
>> the state , for punishment.
> 
> Which makes it okay if the Nazis did?

It was WW2, many civilians caught in the war. If you were a colaberator, 
partizan or some important person or worked for the communist/Soviet 
state before, there was no mercy, my little naive idiot Roger.
Soviets did the same, except it's not publicized as much, since they 
were the victors.
Soviets ran the Gulag systems till 1989, way after WW2, no one 
complained till the end.

> 
>> Just watch the movies "Enemy at the gates" or "Stalin", clearly showing it.
> 
> LOL -- learn the difference between movies and history, idiot.

*Movies based on history moron. Also, read it in books.
> 
>> Jews were the partizan's fighting against the Germans also, it was war.
>> US troops don't do better against terrorist in Iraq either.
> 
> Really?  You have proof that the US are rounding up children and
> shooting them in the heads?

Don't need to, that's what the cruise missiles and napalm bombs for.
JS



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Good pictures don't need comment!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6433490354750081633&q=hungary
JS


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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9204328304330343657&q=me262
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Enjoy!
JS


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Jewish people driving German cars - Sarah Silverman
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JS


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Roger wrote:
> In one age, called the Second Age by some,
>    (an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
>       someone claiming to be Protagonist wrote
>          in message : 
> 
>> Roger wrote:
> 
>>>>>>>> The Einsatzgruppen
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Much of my first, second and final days on the stand was devoted to
>>>>>>>> questions about the activities of the "Einsatz gruppen" security police
>>>>>>>> units, a subject which prosecution witness Browning had dealt with earlier
>>>>>>>> in some detail. The Einsatzgruppen, I explained, were special task forces
>>>>>>>> responsible for quickly imposing a "sort of 'rough and ready' form of
>>>>>>>> order and security" in the newly-occupied Soviet territories before the
>>>>>>>> establishment of regular civil administration.
> 
>>>>>>> ... in addition to rounding up and killing Jews, including women and
>>>>>>> children.
> 
>>>>>> Didn't happen.
> 
>>>>> Why did they report back that it had, then?
> 
>>>> Have to report it!
>>>>  Those numbers of reports were overstated any way!
> 
>>> Why would they have exaggerated the number of children they had shot,
>>> idiot?
> 
>> To make them self look good, how good job they doing, moron!
> 
> Ah, so you admit that the job was killing children, so that
> exaggerating the number of children killed would make them look
> better.
> 
> What's your point again?
> 
>> This was a war, WW2.
>> If your were a partizan and they can't catch you, they would deal with 
>> your family.
>> It was a norm in those days, Stalin was very good at that.
>> Deported the hole Chechen nation to Siberia !
>> You think the US cared about Jap-Americans or German-Americans when they 
>> were locked up in concentration camps?
> 
> Well, they certainly didn't force them to become slaves, stave them or
> kill them en masse.

Children die in wars idiot, weather it's in Vietnam or Afghanistan.
You only blowing  things out of proportions, generalizing, with this 
children crap, Roger idiot.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060528/ap_on_go_co/marines_iraq_investigations

Murtha: New scandal worse than Abu Ghraib

WASHINGTON - The fallout from the killing of as many as two dozen Iraqi 
civilians by Marines could undermine U.S. efforts in
Iraq more than the
Abu Ghraib prison scandal did, a lawmaker who is a prominent war critic 
said Sunday.



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Jason James wrote:
>  Pope Benedict, visits Poland and included Auschwitz in his visit. Contrary
> to denier assertions, the Pope acknowledged the 'Third Reich" atrocities,
> holding prayers on the site of the original gas-chambers and blessing Jews
> who died there and those whom were present and all who had survived.
> 
> The Pope who was in the Wehrmacht during WWII, continues showing the way for
> full acknowledgement of the heinous deeds committed by the Nazis during
> WWII.
> 
> Jason
> 
> 

Pope is faking it, to full the Joos!
JS


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Sara Salzman wrote:
> In article <1346312.sgpYS63lKb@OpenBSD>,
>  "127.0.0.1" <127.0.0.1@127.0.0.1> wrote:
> 
>> Jason James wrote:
>>
>>>  Pope Benedict, visits Poland and included Auschwitz in his visit.
>>>  Contrary
>>> to denier assertions, the Pope acknowledged the 'Third Reich" atrocities,
>>> holding prayers on the site of the original gas-chambers and blessing Jews
>>> who died there and those whom were present and all who had survived.
>>>
>>> The Pope who was in the Wehrmacht during WWII, continues showing the way
>>> for full acknowledgement of the heinous deeds committed by the Nazis
>>> during WWII.
>>>
>>> Jason
>> On his way through Poland, did he acknowledged what the Commie Bolsheviks
>> did? If not, he's just another Zionazi puppet like the last one. 
> 
> HINT for the baby:
> 
> If the POPE is a "puppet" of the Zionists, why isn't he telling everyone 
> to convert to Judaism?
> 
> Sara
> 

Hi's a puppet for the US and Zionist is the instrument for the US.
Happy triangle!
You know nothing Sarah of Israel!
JS



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Kurt Knoll wrote:
> What other choice did the pope have if he wands do avoid your Jewish hate 
> mongering. Nobody has immunity since you can slander anyone with impunity 
> that is not obedient to your holohoaxers.
> 
> Kurt Knoll.
> 
> 
> "Jason James"  wrote in message 
> news:447a2f77@news.comindico.com.au...
>> Pope Benedict, visits Poland and included Auschwitz in his visit. Contrary
>> to denier assertions, the Pope acknowledged the 'Third Reich" atrocities,
>> holding prayers on the site of the original gas-chambers and blessing Jews
>> who died there and those whom were present and all who had survived.
>>
>> The Pope who was in the Wehrmacht during WWII, continues showing the way 
>> for
>> full acknowledgement of the heinous deeds committed by the Nazis during
>> WWII.
>>
>> Jason
>>
>>
> 
> 

Behold, all the youngsters now days run to see the "The Da Vinci code" 
crap movie, directed by a Jew, Run Howard and played by Jews, like Tom 
Hanks and others.
What a smoke screen!?
JS



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Sara Salzman wrote:
> In article <1827260.mPC8nBVgGM@OpenBSD>,
>  "127.0.0.1" <127.0.0.1@127.0.0.1> wrote:
> 
>> Protagonist wrote:
>>
>>> Jason James wrote:
>>>>  Pope Benedict, visits Poland and included Auschwitz in his visit.
>>>>  Contrary
>>>> to denier assertions, the Pope acknowledged the 'Third Reich" atrocities,
>>>> holding prayers on the site of the original gas-chambers and blessing
>>>> Jews who died there and those whom were present and all who had survived.
>>>>
>>>> The Pope who was in the Wehrmacht during WWII, continues showing the way
>>>> for full acknowledgement of the heinous deeds committed by the Nazis
>>>> during WWII.
>>>>
>>>> Jason
>>>>
>> The Catholic church has been run by these Anti-Christ for sometime - Just
>> look at Vatican-ll. Basically that says that Christians should ignore
>> certain parts of scripture because they may offend Jews, and the Church
>> went along with it. 
>>
>> I wonder why the pope didn't visit the Katyn Forrest and pray for the
>> Gentiles that died under the hands of the Jew Run NKVD?
> 
> Tommy, you get funnier each time you post.
> 
> How the hell would YOU know anything about the Catholic Church? All you 
> know is the drivel Bradbury posts, and he's more of an anti-Christ than 
> any Catholic.
> 
> Sara
> 

How about you Sara of Israel, do you ever go to confess there?
JS


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Roger wrote:
> In one age, called the Second Age by some,
>    (an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
>       someone claiming to be 127.0.0.1 wrote
>          in message <1827260.mPC8nBVgGM@OpenBSD>: 
> 
>> Protagonist wrote:
> 
>>>>  Pope Benedict, visits Poland and included Auschwitz in his visit.
>>>>  Contrary
>>>> to denier assertions, the Pope acknowledged the 'Third Reich" atrocities,
>>>> holding prayers on the site of the original gas-chambers and blessing
>>>> Jews who died there and those whom were present and all who had survived.
>>>>
>>>> The Pope who was in the Wehrmacht during WWII, continues showing the way
>>>> for full acknowledgement of the heinous deeds committed by the Nazis
>>>> during WWII.
> 
>> The Catholic church has been run by these Anti-Christ for sometime - Just
>> look at Vatican-ll. Basically that says that Christians should ignore
>> certain parts of scripture because they may offend Jews, and the Church
>> went along with it. 
> 
> So, your ignorance of Vatican II is as profound as your ignorance in
> other areas.
> 
>> I wonder why the pope didn't visit the Katyn Forrest and pray for the
>> Gentiles that died under the hands of the Jew Run NKVD?
> 
> Beria was a Georgian Orthodox, and Stalin was a former seminary
> student.
> 
> You're not very good at this, are you?

Oh no, snake tung Roger flexing his brain muscles again, but can only 
jiggle it in his ass.
JS


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Kurt Knoll wrote:
> It is the catholic churches that does most of the wondering. I mean they 
> wonder if people find out more the holy fantasia. In the middle ages they 
> did torture non believers. And I just wonder how Jesus did manage to walk 
> over the water.
> 
> Kurt Knoll.

It doesn't matter, if he was able to walk on water or raise the dead 
etc.... In does days, that's how one made believers out of the ignorant 
masses, having supernatural powers, at least pretend and able to feed 
masses.
Now days it is money, wealth, good life, security! Powerful people using 
these tools to make believers of masses.
Judas was an educated person a scholar, not a carpenter or fisherman, 
In those days it meant able to read, write and count. he knew these 
things. That's why he betrayed Jesus.
Knowledge can be a very dangerous thing, going against ones belief and 
faith.
JS


> 
> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
> news:9_Sdnc4nD_qcw-fZnZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> Kurt Knoll wrote:
>>> What other choice did the pope have if he wands do avoid your Jewish hate 
>>> mongering. Nobody has immunity since you can slander anyone with impunity 
>>> that is not obedient to your holohoaxers.
>>>
>>> Kurt Knoll.
>>>
>>>
>>> "Jason James"  wrote in message 
>>> news:447a2f77@news.comindico.com.au...
>>>> Pope Benedict, visits Poland and included Auschwitz in his visit. 
>>>> Contrary
>>>> to denier assertions, the Pope acknowledged the 'Third Reich" 
>>>> atrocities,
>>>> holding prayers on the site of the original gas-chambers and blessing 
>>>> Jews
>>>> who died there and those whom were present and all who had survived.
>>>>
>>>> The Pope who was in the Wehrmacht during WWII, continues showing the way 
>>>> for
>>>> full acknowledgement of the heinous deeds committed by the Nazis during
>>>> WWII.
>>>>
>>>> Jason
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>> Behold, all the youngsters now days run to see the "The Da Vinci code" 
>> crap movie, directed by a Jew, Run Howard and played by Jews, like Tom 
>> Hanks and others.
>> What a smoke screen!?
>> JS
>>
> 
> 


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Al Smith wrote:
>>>> Really?  What picture shows this?
>>>>> > > Because people that have actually *been there* disagree.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Roger are you still denying they had a swimming pool at Auschwitz? 
>>>> The pool
>>>> was just one of many luxuries, they had an orchestra, soccer field, 
>>>> post
>>>> office, theaters etc. 
>>
>>
>> What's so strange about that? Auschwitz, with a population that could be
>> as high as 150,000, was a community th size of a small city. Of course
>> there were going to be outlets for the energy and talents of its 
>> primarily
>> young and evidently talented population.  Even if inmates worked seven
>> days a week, they had lives, friends, and relationships.
>>
>> There is, of course, no more of contradiction between the structure in
>> question occasionally serving as a swimming pool during summer weekends
>> and being otherwise a reservoir for the fire brigade than there is 
>> between
>> a structure designed as a morgue being used as a gas chamber. Given where
>> Auschwitz was located and the kind of work schedule maintained there, an
>> outdoor swimming pool would only have been usable during a few hours of
>> the four or five warm weekends a year.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Eugene Holman
> 
> I don't think Poland is quite so chilly as all that, Eugene. Granted, 
> it's not on the Gulf Stream, but it's not Antarctica, either. They could 
> probably have used the pool for at least five months of the year -- from 
> June to September. And that's with comfort. Unless you had something 
> else other than climate in mind by mentioning its location.
> 
> By the way, I agree, there is nothing at all strange about Auschwitz 
> having a recreational swimming pool. What is strange is the hoops the 
> Holocaust promoters jump through in an effort to avoid acknowledging its 
> existence. If they are so squirrelly about such an obvious thing as a 
> big concrete pool, which is still sitting right where it has always sat, 
> bold as life, imagine how slinky they must be to acknowledge awkward 
> truths which are a tiny bit less in-your-face?

You hit the nail on the hat Al!
All we hear and shown is the horror about Auschwitz, but Jews are quite 
about the good things.
Like the French inmates, wrote about him a while ago, who was allowed to 
go out swimming every weekend to the nearby river with his comrade.
Haha!
JS




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Ron Jacobson wrote:
> Even if inmates worked seven
> days a week, they had lives, friends, and relationships.
> 
> Hey, this is an alleged 'extermination camp' here Eugene!
> So if they worked 7 days a week (worked to death so the 'victim' class
> here would have it), when did they have time for a swim?
> C'mon, fess up, Eugene, you're one of us....ya gotta be, posting
> transparent stuff like that.
> 
> "There is, of course, no more of contradiction between the structure in
> 
> question occasionally serving as a swimming pool during summer weekends
> 
> and being otherwise a reservoir for the fire brigade than there is
> between
> a structure designed as a morgue being used as a gas chamber"
> 
> Yeah, I can see the common thread running thru all that, and I suppose
> the Picture Theatre doubled as a Jumb Jet to transport the inmates home
> on leave once a year as well?
> '
> 

RJ, I missing the regular post of  you pictures of the typhus victims, 
disguised as Holohoax starvation victims!
Are you loosing it?
JS


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Little known fact:
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 >>On January 26, 1945, Red Army troops liberated the Auschwitz 
concentration camp in Poland. Among the 2,819 prisoners found alive 
(including 180 children) were 754 Poles, 542 Hungarians, 346 French, 315 
Czechs, 180 Russians, 159 Dutch, 143 Yugoslavians, 76 Greeks, 52 
Rumanians, and 41 Belgians. Of these, 223 were suffering from pulmonary 
tuberculosis. As well as the living, 536 dead corpses were found in the 
grounds of the camp. Most had died from hunger and pure physical 
exhaustion.
For the survivors a new source of terror emerged as the Soviet troops 
set about raping the female prisoners including many Soviet women 
prisoners.
"Also heard this on TV and posted here before."

Eighty-four days after the liberation the Red Army was in Berlin. Around 
50 British Jews died in Auschwitz, most had emigrated to France, Belgium 
or Holland before the war.
(It is not generally known but in Auschwitz a brothel was established to 
give incentives to those hard working slave prisoners. Block 24 was 
emptied and the first floor turned into a brothel. Girls were picked 
>from the non-Jewish prisoners and forced to work in the brothel. Visits 
were only allowed if the prisoner had a special voucher which was issued 
only to those prisoners who were well and fit enough to work. No male 
Jews were given these vouchers)<<
JS


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BERGEN-BELSEN CONCENTRATION CAMP

On April 15, 1945, the Belsen concentration camp, near the village of 
Bergen, was liberated by British troops. Scattered around the grounds 
were around 10,000 decaying corpses which the troops had to bury in mass 
graves using bulldozers. Some of the survivors who had been transferred 
to Belsen from Auschwitz, stated that living conditions here were far 
superior to those in Auschwitz. But this was soon to change as trains 
bringing thousands of inmates from camps in the east began to arrive in 
Belsen. Conditions became catastrophic during the final months of the 
war as transports bringing food supplies to the camp were increasingly 
being destroyed on the roads and railways by Allied bombers. Gross 
overcrowding, inadequate supplies of food, water and medicines and an 
uncontrollable outbreak of typhus caused the deaths of about 37,000 
inmates up to the day of liberation.

In the few weeks after the British takeover, another 13,000 died in 
spite of all the care taken to preserve life. On May 2 some 95 medical 
students from London's teaching hospitals were flown to Belsen to help 
treat the sick prisoners. But in striking contrast to the distorted 
press coverage at the time, the Belsen Concentration Camp was not an 
extermination facility. There was no deliberate intention by the Germans 
to starve the prisoners to death at Belsen (officially designated as a 
convalescence camp). No gas chambers were discovered and the crematorium 
consisted of only one furnace in which to cremate the dead. The Camp's 
Commandant, Josef Kramer, along with his chief physician, Dr Fritz 
Cline, quarantined the camp and did everything in their power to prevent 
the catastrophe, even appealing to higher authority for more transport 
to fetch vegetables and other foodstuffs from the countryside. In spite 
of their efforts both Kramer and Cline were executed after being found 
guilty at the Belsen War Crimes Trial.  A total of 86 staff members, 
including 28 SS women guards were captured. By June 17, twenty had died, 
some by suicide and others from the rigours of digging graves to bury 
the dead inmates which the British forced  them to do. (By the end of 
the month the whole camp had to be burned down, even the timber building 
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OPERATION CARTHAGE  (March 21, 1945)

At the request of the Danish resistance movement, a force of RAF 
Mosquitos from 487, 464 and 21 Squadrons of 140 Wing, escorted by 
Mustangs of Fighter Command, attacked the Gestapo Headquarters in 
Copenhagen. The Gestapo had taken over the five storey Shell House, the 
pre-war H/Q of the Shell Petroleum Company. On the day of the raid it 
housed a large number of Danish resistance fighters who had been 
arrested and were being interrogated as the first bombs fell. Some 
prisoners were killed but 30 escaped during the bombing. Some 151 
Gestapo agents and their Danish collaborators were also killed.

Although the raid was a success, a horrific tragedy occured nearby. One 
of the Mosquitos, on its bombing run, struck a light mast in the railway 
goods yard, veered to the left and crashed in a ball of fire near the 
Jeanne d'Arc Catholic School. The fire and smoke from the crash was 
mistakenly targeted by the next wave of Mosquitos which dropped their 
bombs on and around the crash site. The resulting fires soon spread to 
other buildings and eventually engulfed the school which burned to the 
ground in less than two hours. Eighty-six children and ten teachers lost 
their lives in this tragedy and sixty-seven were injured. When rescures 
reached the school cellers they found the bodies of forty-two children 
huddled together. They had all drowned in water from the firemen's hoses.


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  Berlin fell to the Russians on May 2, 1945. A Major Feodor Novikov of 
the Red Army ordered the vaults of the Reichbank to be opened. Still in 
the vaults were 90 gold bars worth 1.3 million dollars and gold coins 
worth 2.1 million dollars. Also 400 million dollars worth of negotiable 
bonds. Major Novikov ordered the vaults locked and demanded the keys. 
Shortly afterwards the entire contents of the vault disappeared. The 
gold was never seen again, but the bonds keep turning up even today all 
over the world!.  Another six and a half tons of gold, recovered from 
Ribbentrop's castle 'Schloss Fuschl' near Salzburg and turned over to 
the US Army on June 15, 1945, also disappeared and no records of it 
being received at the Frankfurt US Foreign Exchange Depository can be 
found. In 1945 it was worth over seven million dollars. Much of the gold 
recovered by the Americans was re-smelted and in the process all 
hallmarks, Nazi symbols and identification numbers were erased.

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The most destructive air raid of the war was against Japan's capital 
city, Tokyo. During the night of March 9/10, 1945, 1,665 tons of 
napalm-filled bombs was dropped on the city from 279 US B-29 bombers. 
The death toll was greater than that at Hiroshima or Nagasaki, the 
official count being 83,793 Japanese killed. Another 41, 000 were 
severely injured or burned. The Allied air attacks on Tokyo destroyed 
15.8 square miles of the city.


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DENMARK'S SHAME

As the war drew to its close, between 200 and 250 thousand German 
refugees fled to Denmark from the advancing Red Army. Six months after 
the war ended, Dr. Kirsten Lylloff became curious as to the great number 
of children's graves in a cemetery at Aalborg where she used to live and 
practice. The refugees, mostly women and children, were at first housed 
in schools and local halls until later in 1945 around 142 camps were set 
up for them. Danish civilians were forbidden to have any contact 
whatsoever with the refugees. Dr. Lylloff discovered that by the end of 
1945, 13,492 refugees had died in the camps. This included around 7,000 
children under the age of five. Most had died from malnutrition, 
dehydration and curable illnesses such as scarlet fever. Medical 
assistance was consistently denied the refugees by the Danish medical 
authorities and the Red Cross. After five years of Nazi occupation the 
Danish authorities were in no mood to play 'nurse' to these unfortunate 
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GERMANY'S LAST HOPE

The entire youth of Germany, boys of 14 to 17 years, were expected to 
turn the war around during the last days of Hitler's Third Reich. But 
reality soon overcame the illusion. The Hitler Youth and the Volkstrum, 
consisting of old men, were Germany's last hope of survival. These 
troops were all that stood between Germany and Armageddon. Over a 
thousand of these boy soldiers were sent to defend the city of Breslau. 
There, they awaited the Russian onslaught. When it came, every house 
became a strongpoint. Many of there young boys killed themselves out of 
sheer terror of falling into the hands of the Soviets but their comrades 
fought on desperately for days more until the the city surrendered on 
May 6, 1945. These boy soldiers only helped prolong a war which had long 
been lost. In Hitler's last public appearance he decorated the Hitler 
Youth member Alfred Zeck from Goldenau with the Iron Cross. Zeck was 
only twelve years old becoming the youngest recipient of the prestigious 
medal.

In a last desperate stand before the fall of Berlin, General Busse's 9th 
Army, retreating from the Oder, fought a ferocious battle in the forests 
around the small town of Halbe 40 kms south of Berlin. Surrounded by the 
army of the Soviet Marshall Georgi Konev, all avenues of escape were 
closed and in the following slaughter the 9th Army  suffered losses 
compatible with any suffered in the Soviet Union. As one witness 
remarked "The massacre in that forest was appalling, wounded were left 
untreated and screaming by the roadside". In this desperate battle over 
50,000 soldiers of both sides and many civilians were killed. It took 
months for the local population to clear the forest and surrounding area 
of corpses. In the war cemetery at Halbe (Waldfriedhof Halbe) the 
largest WW11 German cemetery, there are over 22,000 graves, with 
hundreds of headstones simply marked 'Unknown'. Many markers mention 
mass burials of 30, 50, 100 or more unknown soldiers. Every year for a 
decade after the battle, scores of bodies were still being discovered in 
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SOVIET RAPES IN BERLIN: UNKNOWN TOTAL

The official figures for Berlin rapes by Soviet troops does exist but 
has never been published. However, Berlin’s former mayor, Ernst Reuter, 
said that the figure given him was 90,000.  In 1945, Berlin had a 
population of some 2,700,000 of which about 2,000,000 were women. Many 
rapes of course were never reported and the figure of 90,000 includes 
only hospitalized cases and doctors reports. Some 10,000 women in Berlin 
died as a result of rape.  The death rate was thought to have been much 
higher among the 1.4 million estimated victims in East Prussia, Silesia 
and Pomerania. Doctors were besieged by women seeking information on the 
best way to commit suicide. A charity institution, orphanage and 
maternity hospital, 'Haus Dehlem ' was forcibly entered by second line 
Russian troops and pregnant women and women who had just given birth 
were repeatedly raped. In the Soviet Zone of Germany nearly 90% of 
females ages between 10 and 80 were raped in what undoubtedly was the 
largest case of mass rape in history. This included women expelled from 
the eastern provinces.

Most German children born in Berlin in 1946 were the result of rape. 
Women and young girls were forcibly dragged from their homes and raped, 
the drunken Soviet Mongolian soldiers queuing up to await their turn. 
For two whole weeks these mass rapes of women continued. Some Jewish 
women, thinking that their nationality would save them, showed their 
identity cards to the rapists but none of them could even read. Marshal 
Zhukov issued orders that any soldier caught in the act of rape after 
the two week period was up, was to be shot on the spot. Many a Russian 
soldier met his end this way. Between 1942 and 1945, a total of 2,420 
rapes were reported in England, 3,620 in France and more than 11,040 in 
Germany. No US soldier was ever executed for rape in Germany. As one GI 
wrote ' Many a sane American family would recoil in horror if they knew 
how 'our boys' over here conduct themselves'. The only way many German 
mothers could keep their children from starving was to become a mistress 
to one of the occupying troops. (It is estimated that around two million 
German women had undergone an illegal abortion in the three years after 
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MONASTERY BLUNDER

On  February 15, 1944, US bombers dropped 427 tons of bombs on the 
mountain top monastery of Monte Cassino in Italy. The Allied ground 
forces had requested the strike believing the monastery to be a German 
stronghold. No enemy troops were there at the time but over 300 women 
and children from the town of Cassino, who had fled the fighting and 
taken refuge in the monastery, were killed. By the time that the Polish 
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HUNGARIAN JEWS

After Hitler's armies occupied Hungary on March 27, 1944, (Operation 
Margarethe) its government actively supported the Nazis in the 
deportation of its Jews. Up till 1944, the Hungarian Regent, Admiral 
Horthy, had steadfastly refused Hitler's offer to resettle the Hungarian 
Jews. But after the occupation, and after Eichmann and his SS units 
moved in, the deportations began on May 15, 1944, the first train 
reaching Auschwitz on the 17th. The pro-German Government co-operated by 
ordering its policemen to escort their deportees to Auschwitz. When 
their uniforms were seen by the Hungarian prisoners already in the camp, 
scenes of "unbelievable jubilation were witnessed as the prisoners ran 
to the wire cheering and sobbing in the belief that their policemen had 
come to rescue them."

Around 365,000 Hungarian Jews were transported to their deaths after the 
occupation of their country. The majority of women and children were 
murdered within hours of their arrival. Fit and healthy men were spared 
for a while for slave labour.
(Hahaha! What a lie! Other Jew report states over 500 thousands.)

  Over 300,000 were still in Hungary awaiting their doom. This included 
just over 70,000 in the Budapest ghetto (fortunately all these survived 
the war). French Vichy police also collaborated in the rounding up of 
Jews. Starting on August 27, 1942, they arrested 9,872 Jews in 
Vichy-controlled Lyon and transported them to Drancy, near Paris, prior 
to deportation to Auschwitz.

In an effort to negotiate with the Allies the SS offered to exchange 
Jews for 1,000 trucks. This offer was rejected and as a gesture of good 
faith the SS allowed a train, containing 1,684 Hungarian Jews to leave 
Budapest for the safety of Switzerland. The train eventually ended up at 
the Belsen Concentration Camp near Hanover. There, the Jews were kept 
for about six months before being allowed to proceed to Switzerland. 
This must be the only recorded case where the SS actually saved Jews.

(Between 1933 and 1938 a total of 453,721 Jewish refugees from Europe 
were settled in 27 different countries. The Jewish population of Europe 
in 1939 was 7,870,700).


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DISASTER DURING 'OPERATION TIGER' (April 23-30, 1944)

In preparation for the D-Day landings on Utah beach, the US Forces were 
conducting a series of exercises on a stretch of beach called Slapton 
Sands, near Plymouth. In an area comprising around 30,000 acres a total 
of 3,000 people (750 families) 180 farms with livestock were evacuated. 
This enormous task had to be completed in six weeks.

During the actual exercise, while maneuvering for position in Lyme Bay 
on the night of April 27 the landing ships were attacked by nine German 
motor torpedo boats, E-boats, from Cherbourg in France. Two of the 
landing craft, LST 507 and LST 531 were sunk and others damaged. On 
board the two landing ships the casualties were severe, 638 men killed 
(197 sailors and 441 soldiers) and hundreds injured. This was more than 
ten times greater than the casualties sustained in the real assault on 
Utah Beach on June 6 (43 Americans killed, 63 wounded). Altogether, 
including casualties from other ships and those killed by friendly fire 
on shore, a total of 946 Americans gave their lives during Operation 
Tiger. News of this disaster was kept a closely guarded secret for many 
months. For the full tragic story go to 
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COMPULSORY STERILIZATION

This was definitely not a Nazi idea. It was practiced in quite a few 
countries in the 19th and early 20th centuries. The United States 
enacted laws as early as 1907, the first state to adopt these laws was 
Indiana. In all, close to 64,000 individuals underwent the procedure in 
the US. In Sweden, some 62,000 persons were sterilized over a forty year 
period. In Germany, inspired by the United States programme, Hitler 
passed a 'Law For The Protection Of Genetically Deformed Offspring' in 
1933. This was not specifically directed at Jews but at retarded and 
mentally ill or crippled Aryan children and adults. In the first four 
years of the Law being enacted, around 300,000 individuals were 
sterilized, the intention being the biological purification of the 
German race in the hope of creating a master race of disease free 
Germans. Realizing that sterilization would probably take generations to 
complete, the Nazi's expanded the programme by introducing the infamous 
T-4 programme designed to rid Germany of its 'useless mouths', in other 
words a state sanctioned murder plan to include Jews, homosexuals, 
alcoholics, those suffering from Huntington's Disease and enemy 
prisoners of war, i.e. Russians.


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A FAMOUS CHURCHILL SPEECH

In a memorable speech, Churchill asked America "Give us the tools and we 
will finish the job." But America wouldn't 'give' anything without 
payment. After two years of war, Roosevelt had drained Britain dry, 
stripping her of all her assets in the USA, including real estate and 
property. The British owned Viscose Company, worth £125 million was 
liquidated, Britain receiving only £87 million. Britain's £1,924 million 
investments in Canada were sold off to pay for raw materials bought in 
the United States. To make sure that Roosevelt got his money, he 
dispatched the American cruiser, Louisville to the South African naval 
base of Simonstown to pick up £42 million worth of British gold, 
Britain's last negotiable asset, to help pay for American guns and 
ammunition.

  Not content with stripping Britain of her gold and assets, in return 
for 50 old World War I destroyers, (desperately needed by Britain as 
escort vessels) he demanded that Britain transfer all her scientific and 
technological secrets to the USA. Also, he demanded 99 year leases on 
the islands of Newfoundland, Jamaica, Trinidad and Bermuda for the 
setting up of American military and naval bases in case Britain should fall.

Of the 50 lend-lease destroyers supplied to Britain, seven were lost 
during the war. The first was taken over by a British crew on September 
9, 1940. After 1943, when no longer useful, eight were sent to Russia, 
while the others were manned by French, Polish and Norwegian crews. 
These destroyers were renamed when they arrived in Britain. All were 
given the name of a town or city, hence the term 'Town Class' destroyer. 
During the course of the war, Britain had recieved 12 Billion, 775 
Million dollars worth of goods under the Lend-Lease program.

QUOTE

Lord Beaverbrook was later to exclaim "The Japanese are our relentless 
enemies, and the Americans our un-relenting creditors."


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HOLOCAUST FIGURES?

When Frederick William von Hohenzollern (1620-1688) was elected Margrave 
of Brandenburg, he found no Jewish permanent settlement in his state. In 
1650, he invited some Polish Jews to conduct trade in Berlin, and in 
1671, he welcomed fifty wealthy Jews from Vienna to settle in the 
capital. So began the Berlin Jewish community. In 1933, the Jewish 
population of Germany was 503,000. Of these, 170,000 lived in Berlin, 
25% were living on charity. At the war's end, only 23,000 were living in 
Germany. About 100,000 German Jews perished in the Auschwitz-Birkenau 
camp. Names and last known addresses of around 128,000 German Jews, 
victims of the persecution of Jews in Nazi Germany, are listed in the 
German Gedenkbuch (Memorial Book) in the Federal Archives in Berlin. 
(previously the Bundesarchives at Koblenz). Sources differ as to the 
exact number of Jews killed in the Holocaust. The latest statistics put 
the number at 5,433,900 (about 41 %) of which just over 1.1 million 
(including some 200,000 children) died in Auschwitz. Official estimates 
are, year by year, gradually being revised downwards.

(The World Center of Contemporary Jewish Documentation in Paris now 
states that only 1,485,292 Jews died from all causes during WW II and 
that there were not even six million Jews in Europe at that time. 
Professor Paul Rassinier, the French historian, who spent some time in 
concentration camps, utterly refutes the myth of six million dead and 
says that Jewish casualties could not have exceeded 1.2 million. Raul 
Hilberg, the Jewish historian, estimates an even lower figure of 896,892)

The country that suffered most, was Poland, it had a pre-war Jewish 
population of around 3.2 million, some 2.9 million of whom were 
annihilated (88%). Of Europe's Jewish children, alive in 1939, only 11 
percent survived the war, an estimated one and a half million being 
murdered. Of all the Nazi occupied countries in WW II, the percentage of 
Jews saved in Poland was the smallest. The attitude of the vast majority 
of the Polish population towards Jews was anti-Semitic, particularly in 
the eastern areas after the Soviet occupation, surpassed only by their 
vehemently anti-German hatred. Even some members of the Polish police 
joined the Nazis in rounding up Jews for deportation to the death camps. 
It must be said however that around 50,000 Jews were saved by Poles who 
helped hide them at the risk of their own lives. The 'Council for Aid to 
Jews' provided false Aryan documents and gave refuge to many of the 
persecuted Jews. Unfortunetly, many of these 'aid workers' along with 
their entire families, paid with their lives. (In all, Poland suffered 
4,900,000 dead in WW II, about 20 percent of its population)


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CONCENTRATION CAMPS

The term was first used by the Spanish to describe their camps set up in 
Cuba during the Spanish-American War of 1895-1898. The first 
Concentration Camp, for the sole purpose of the physical destruction of 
prisoners was set up in Holmogor by the Bolsheviks in 1921.
VERY INTERESTING INDEAD!

The idea in German minds that the British invented concentration camps 
was fostered by Dr Joseph Goebbels during the 1930s. Propaganda picture 
postcards in 1938 of genuine Russian camps, were re-labeled for issue as 
'Genuine British Concentration Camps in South Africa'. The British camps 
in South Africa, set up during the two and a half year long Boer War 
(1899-1902) were for internment purposes only, but the lack of proper 
supervision, negligence and poor hygiene, gave the camps a bad name and 
caused the deaths of over 30,000 inmates, mostly from outbreaks of 
typhoid and measles. Thirty-one such camps were scattered around South 
Africa during this time.


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Kurt Knoll wrote:
> You are right Knowledge is also a dangerous thing for the holocaust industry 
> and this is why they do attack all others.
> 
> Kurt Knoll.

In terms of the Holohoax industry, yes knowledge is heavily censored.
Only the Jewish version is allowed to be heard, weather it's a lie or 
half truth.
Now days the aim for globalisms, to hammer the world masses, all races 
into one economical entity for western capitalism, the Holohoax is a one 
of the drug for the people and the new generation of young.
JS

> 
> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
> news:HqmdncWrqbn97efZnZ2dnUVZ_uWdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> Kurt Knoll wrote:
>>> It is the catholic churches that does most of the wondering. I mean they 
>>> wonder if people find out more the holy fantasia. In the middle ages they 
>>> did torture non believers. And I just wonder how Jesus did manage to walk 
>>> over the water.
>>>
>>> Kurt Knoll.
>> It doesn't matter, if he was able to walk on water or raise the dead 
>> etc.... In does days, that's how one made believers out of the ignorant 
>> masses, having supernatural powers, at least pretend and able to feed 
>> masses.
>> Now days it is money, wealth, good life, security! Powerful people using 
>> these tools to make believers of masses.
>> Judas was an educated person a scholar, not a carpenter or fisherman, In 
>> those days it meant able to read, write and count. he knew these things. 
>> That's why he betrayed Jesus.
>> Knowledge can be a very dangerous thing, going against ones belief and 
>> faith.
>> JS
>>
>>
>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
>>> news:9_Sdnc4nD_qcw-fZnZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>> Kurt Knoll wrote:
>>>>> What other choice did the pope have if he wands do avoid your Jewish 
>>>>> hate mongering. Nobody has immunity since you can slander anyone with 
>>>>> impunity that is not obedient to your holohoaxers.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kurt Knoll.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Jason James"  wrote in message 
>>>>> news:447a2f77@news.comindico.com.au...
>>>>>> Pope Benedict, visits Poland and included Auschwitz in his visit. 
>>>>>> Contrary
>>>>>> to denier assertions, the Pope acknowledged the 'Third Reich" 
>>>>>> atrocities,
>>>>>> holding prayers on the site of the original gas-chambers and blessing 
>>>>>> Jews
>>>>>> who died there and those whom were present and all who had survived.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Pope who was in the Wehrmacht during WWII, continues showing the 
>>>>>> way for
>>>>>> full acknowledgement of the heinous deeds committed by the Nazis 
>>>>>> during
>>>>>> WWII.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jason
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> Behold, all the youngsters now days run to see the "The Da Vinci code" 
>>>> crap movie, directed by a Jew, Run Howard and played by Jews, like Tom 
>>>> Hanks and others.
>>>> What a smoke screen!?
>>>> JS
>>>>
> 


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whitesickle@msn.com wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> In April 1943 the Nazis created Bergen-Belsen in Lower Saxony near the
> city of Celle as a transit center - Bergen-Belsen was never officially
> given formal concentration camp status. But the second commandant,
> SS-Hauptsturmführer Josef Kramer, completed the transformation of
> Bergen-Belsen  into a regular concentration camp.
> 
> By 1945 thousands of prisoners who had become too weak to work were
> shipped there, to die off slowly by starvation and typhoid. In the one
> month of March, more than 18,000 succumbed.
> 
> The first commandant in Bergen-Belsen was SS-Hauptsturmführer Adolf
> Haas. His previous assignment had been the concentration camp known as
> Niederhagen/Wewelsburg near Paderborn. In early 1944, Haas was replaced
> by SS-Hauptsturmführer Josef Kramer who had been working in
> concentration camps since 1934.
> 
> Josef Kramer`s most recent assignment had been at the death camp
> Auschwitz-Birkenau. His incumbency had earned him the nickname the
> Beast of Belsen.
> 
> Josef Kramer
> 
> His prescription for the uncontrollable epidemic of diarrhea was
> starvation. 'If you don't eat, you don't shit.' When railroad cars and
> convoys were unavailable, he dispatched the prisoners on long marches.
> The weakest, unable to keep going, were left to die or were shot. The
> roads were littered with thousands who had succumbed ...
> 
> In her book Five Chimneys the Holocaust survivor Olga Lengyel later
> recalled the SS troops in fits of destructive insanity, blindly beating
> the sick women, kicking the pregnant: 'Kramer himself had lost his
> calm. A strange gleam lurked in his small eyes, and he worked like a
> madman. I saw hin throw himself at one unfortunate woman and with a
> single stroke of his truncheon shatter her skull ..'
> 
> A Bergen-Belsen survivor, Fania Fenelon, provides this grim vignette
> just prior to the discovery of the camp at Bergen-Belson, with the war
> nearly at an end:
> 
> The stench had become intolerable; wrapped in my cloak, a priceless
> possession, I went out in search of air, to stretch out, to sleep in
> the open. The ground was muddy and cold, so I kept walking. In front of
> me, a pile of corpses balanced carefully on one another, rose
> geometrically like a haystack. There was no more room in the crematoria
> so they piled up the corpses out here.
> 
> I climbed up them as one would a slope; at the top I stretched out and
> fell asleep. Sometimes an arm or leg slackened to take its final
> position. I slept on; in the morning, when I woke up, I thought I that
> I too must be losing my reason ...
> 
> Fania Fenelon weighed 65 pounds the day the British arrived...
> 
> Another prisoner, Moshe Peer, now 67, was held captive as a boy at the
> Bergen-Belsen concentration camp during World War II. In 1942, at age
> 9, Peer and his younger brother and sister were arrested by police in
> their homeland of France.
> 
> His mother was sent to Auschwitz and never returned. Peer and his
> siblings were sent to Bergen-Belsen two years later.
> 
> Moshe Peer has spent many years writing a first-person account of the
> horror he witnessed at Bergen-Belsen. He recalls the separation from
> his parents as excruciating. But surviving the horrors of the camp
> quickly became a priority: `There were pieces of corpses lying around
> and there were bodies lying there, some alive and some dead,` Peer
> recalled,  `Bergen-Belsen was worse than Auschwitz because there people
> were gassed right away so they didn't suffer a long time ...` Russian
> prisoners were kept in an open-air camp and were given no food or
> water. `Some people went mad with hunger and turned to cannibalism.`
> 
> Nazi KZ Camps - Gates To Hell
> 
> 
> MoshePeer and his siblings - who all survived - were cared for at the
> camp by two women, whom Peer unsuccessfully tried to find after the
> war. Peer was reunited with his father in Paris and the family moved to
> Israel. Peer's four children were born in Israel, but after serving in
> the Israeli army in a number of wars, Peer moved to Montreal in 1974.
> Even today 55 years later, Peer is still haunted by his
> concentration-camp experience and still finds his memories keep him
> awake at night.
> 
> Hitlers most famous victim Anne Frank ended up in Bergen-Belsen after
> being evacuated from Auschwitz in October, 1944. As starvation. cold
> and disease swept through the camp's population, Margot, Anne's sister,
> developed typhus and died. A few days later, Anne herself, in April,
> 1945, succumbed to the disease a few weeks before the camp was
> liberated by the British. She was 15 years old ...
> 
> At the same time this little boy miraculously survived the same camp,
> Bergen-Belsen! More than any other photos, this famous photograph
> captures the essence of the horrors of Holocaust: Warsaw 1943, a little
> Jewish boy dressed in short trousers and a cap, raises his arms in
> surrender with lowered eyes, as a Nazi soldier trains his machine gun
> on him.
> 
> The photograph goes right to the heart, and after the war millions of
> people were brought to believe that the frightened little boy was
> murdered like Anne Frank and millions of other Jews.
> 
> By a miracle the boy survived, and he was found after several decades -
> Tsvi C. Nussbaum, a physician living in Rockland County in upstate New
> York, USA.
> 
> 
> 
> Bergen-Belsen SS-women. On the right the notorious Herta Bothe, after
> the war charged with having committed war crimes. She had a good time
> shooting at weak female prisoners carrying food containers from the
> kitchen to the block with her pistol. And she often beat sick girls
> with a wooden stick. At the Bergen-Belsen Trial she got imprisonment
> for 10 years.
> 
> On April 15, 1945, the British army liberated Belsen. However, it was
> unable to rescue the inmates. On that liberation day the British found
> 10,000 unburied corpses and 40,000 sick and dying prisoners. Among the
> 40,000 living inmates, 28,000 died after the liberation. The inmates
> were abandoned in Bergen-Belsen by the Germans, left behind for death
> to come.
> 
> Between April 11 and 14, 1945, two thousand prisoners had to drag the
> dead to huge mass graves ...
> 
> Captured by the British after liberation, SS Hauptsturmführer Josef
> Kramer was arrested, tried, and later executed.
> 

Very nice heart warming stories and lies.
I can see a bleeding heart liberal like you fall for any thing, loosing 
all your senses.

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v15/v15n3p23_Weber.html


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SOVIET RAPES IN BERLIN: UNKNOWN TOTAL

The official figures for Berlin rapes by Soviet troops does exist but 
has never been published. However, BerlinÄşs former mayor, Ernst Reuter, 
said that the figure given him was 90,000.  In 1945, Berlin had a 
population of some 2,700,000 of which about 2,000,000 were women. Many 
rapes of course were never reported and the figure of 90,000 includes 
only hospitalized cases and doctors reports. Some 10,000 women in Berlin 
died as a result of rape.  The death rate was thought to have been much 
higher among the 1.4 million estimated victims in East Prussia, Silesia 
and Pomerania. Doctors were besieged by women seeking information on the 
best way to commit suicide. A charity institution, orphanage and 
maternity hospital, 'Haus Dehlem ' was forcibly entered by second line 
Russian troops and pregnant women and women who had just given birth 
were repeatedly raped. In the Soviet Zone of Germany nearly 90% of 
females ages between 10 and 80 were raped in what undoubtedly was the 
largest case of mass rape in history. This included women expelled from 
the eastern provinces.

Most German children born in Berlin in 1946 were the result of rape. 
Women and young girls were forcibly dragged from their homes and raped, 
the drunken Soviet Mongolian soldiers queuing up to await their turn. 
For two whole weeks these mass rapes of women continued. Some Jewish 
women, thinking that their nationality would save them, showed their 
identity cards to the rapists but none of them could even read. Marshal 
Zhukov issued orders that any soldier caught in the act of rape after 
the two week period was up, was to be shot on the spot. Many a Russian 
soldier met his end this way. Between 1942 and 1945, a total of 2,420 
rapes were reported in England, 3,620 in France and more than 11,040 in 
Germany. No US soldier was ever executed for rape in Germany. As one GI 
wrote ' Many a sane American family would recoil in horror if they knew 
how 'our boys' over here conduct themselves'. The only way many German 
mothers could keep their children from starving was to become a mistress 
to one of the occupying troops. (It is estimated that around two million 
German women had undergone an illegal abortion in the three years after 
the war ended)


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Little known fact:
http://members.iinet.net.au/~gduncan/1944.html#lesser_known_1945

 >>On January 26, 1945, Red Army troops liberated the Auschwitz 
concentration camp in Poland. Among the 2,819 prisoners found alive 
(including 180 children) were 754 Poles, 542 Hungarians, 346 French, 315 
Czechs, 180 Russians, 159 Dutch, 143 Yugoslavians, 76 Greeks, 52 
Rumanians, and 41 Belgians. Of these, 223 were suffering from pulmonary 
tuberculosis. As well as the living, 536 dead corpses were found in the 
grounds of the camp. Most had died from hunger and pure physical exhaustion.
For the survivors a new source of terror emerged as the Soviet troops 
set about raping the female prisoners including many Soviet women prisoners.
 >>>"Also heard this on TV and posted here before."<<<

Eighty-four days after the liberation the Red Army was in Berlin. Around 
50 British Jews died in Auschwitz, most had emigrated to France, Belgium 
or Holland before the war.
(It is not generally known but in Auschwitz a brothel was established to 
give incentives to those hard working slave prisoners. Block 24 was 
emptied and the first floor turned into a brothel. Girls were picked 
>from the non-Jewish prisoners and forced to work in the brothel. Visits 
were only allowed if the prisoner had a special voucher which was issued 
only to those prisoners who were well and fit enough to work. No male 
Jews were given these vouchers)<<
JS


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John Falstaff wrote:
> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
> news:ZqadnSK4TedY2-DZnZ2dnUVZ_vadnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> SOVIET RAPES IN BERLIN: UNKNOWN TOTAL
> [ . . . ]
> 
> Lindbergh mentions the same thing happening in Hamburg, which he toured at 
> the war's end. He wrote (as I recall) that in that city, there wasn't a 
> woman between the ages of six and sixty who wasn't raped, usually multiple 
> times. Soviet troops were the worst. They raped women wherever they found 
> them. They entered the hospitals and raped women and girls in their hospital 
> beds. The French were almost as bad, especially the French Senegalese 
> troops. Households were required to post a list of all the occupants on 
> their front doors, giving the sex and age of each. Such lists of course 
> became virtual shopping lists for gangs of rapists in the occupying forces.
> 
> This is detailed in his book published long after the war, The Wartime 
> Journals of Charles A. Lindbergh. 
> 
> 

So, maybe that's why the Nazis castrated blacks in WW2!
JS


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Kurt Knoll wrote:
> It has nothing to do with blacks castrating with sex offenders should be 
> mandatory if it is outright rape on minors.
> 
> Kurt Knoll.

It's been practiced here in the US, with major sex offenders.
http://www.212.net/crime/castrate.htm
JS

> 
> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
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>> John Falstaff wrote:
>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
>>> news:ZqadnSK4TedY2-DZnZ2dnUVZ_vadnZ2d@comcast.com...
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>>> [ . . . ]
>>>
>>> Lindbergh mentions the same thing happening in Hamburg, which he toured 
>>> at the war's end. He wrote (as I recall) that in that city, there wasn't 
>>> a woman between the ages of six and sixty who wasn't raped, usually 
>>> multiple times. Soviet troops were the worst. They raped women wherever 
>>> they found them. They entered the hospitals and raped women and girls in 
>>> their hospital beds. The French were almost as bad, especially the French 
>>> Senegalese troops. Households were required to post a list of all the 
>>> occupants on their front doors, giving the sex and age of each. Such 
>>> lists of course became virtual shopping lists for gangs of rapists in the 
>>> occupying forces.
>>>
>>> This is detailed in his book published long after the war, The Wartime 
>>> Journals of Charles A. Lindbergh.
>> So, maybe that's why the Nazis castrated blacks in WW2!
>> JS 
> 
> 


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