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Media Control, Close Up (by Jack Killey)


To the question, "Do you really believe the Jews own the media?", I can 
only answer, "Most of it, yes. But they don't have to own it to control 
it."

An object lesson in this distinction was the downfall of northeastern 
Ohio's "The Gateway Press," a general interest newsweekly to which I 
devoted seven years of part-time work.  A fierce smear campaign and  
unremitting advertising boycott by Cleveland-area Jews -- many not even 
in our circulation region -- caused the forced sale of a newspaper that 
many readers trusted to deliver at least an approximation of the truth 
about events in their communities. 

Until I wrote and my editor published a commentary casting a gimlet eye 
on President Clinton's many Jewish appointees,  I suppose most Jews in 
the area, like our general readership, slotted us somewhere between the 
kitty litter box and the refrigerator door: we had our admirers and 
detractors, but no one accused the "Gateway" of being docile or tepid in 
its coverage of local elections, proposed tax or school levy issues, or 
other events that hit our readers where they lived.

People bought our competitor, the daily flagship of a much larger chain 
(who, ironically enough, later bought us out), to see who died and whose 
kid made Little League player of the week: but they opened us to see why 
cabals of doctors were fighting over the location of a new medical 
center, or who was behind the push for pro-homosexual curricula in their 
kids' schools, or which city council had violated the "sunshine law" in a 
secret meeting last week and why.

If we had a news philosophy it was probably on the order of a thorough
libertarianism, and we tried as often as possible to deliver both sides 
of any given story. 

But only about 850 words on Clinton's appointments reduced our county, 
after 12 years of an alternative, to its former bland diet of 
one-newspaper pablum. A barely measurable percentage of our readership, 
none of whom ever refuted the commentary on its particulars, managed to 
deprive some 48,000 readers of a reliable news source in their 
communities. The Jews' "persecuted minority" mantle is, I suppose, 
apropos for a race that showed a gift for the theatrical long before they 
created Broadway and Hollywood.

"You know, I never considered myself an anti-semite until now," mused one
staffer, after another day of being cursed at by local shopkeepers 
suddenly outraged by their advertising vehicle's callous treatment of the 
Chosen Ones. "But I think they've made me one." 

Neither did I harbor any particular dislike of the Jews, racially or
religiously, when I composed the piece in question. I don't care much for 
the ACLU-style leftist politics  of most secular Jews in the U.S., and 
haven't since a turn towards a social conservatism about 12 years ago. 
Strangely enough, I cut my teeth on the sort of activist liberalism found 
in Jewish intellectual organs like "The New Republic" and "The Nation" 
(and was even published in the latter), and spent more of my college days 
than I care to remember trotting off to antiwar rallies. I steeped myself 
in liberal ideas and methodology and, for a variety of reasons, found 
them wanting. But I can't say that I began to examine the woof and warp 
of liberalism's ideological crazy quilt for specifically Jewish threads 
until I witnessed firsthand the rabid response to a little article in a 
little paper. 

The commentary in question -- published as personal opinion, not that of 
the newspaper, as all my many commentaries were -- can be easily 
synopsized. I pointed out the high percentage of Jews among Clinton's 
appointees, hardly representative of his stated goal to have an 
administration that "looks like America"; wondered how this may affect 
American foreign policy towards Israel; and (and this was the part that 
brought in the big guns against us) ventured the opinion that this facet 
of the Clinton administration was being deliberately obscured by a 
Jewish-dominated American media establishment.

You'd think I'd written a glowing reconsideration of "Mein Kampf." My 
editor's phone started jumping off her desk. Sales reps were screamed at 
and thrown from premises by red-faced merchants who had previously 
described us an asset to the community. One of the more prominent Jewish 
businessmen in the area wrote the editor a venomous letter (specifying, 
of course, that is was NOT for publication) telling her, "You can't say 
whether or not you're an anti-semite. Only WE can decide that."

Do you think the surrounding media establishment came to the defense of 
one of their own embattled members as the pot began to boil beyond the 
boundaries of Portage County, Ohio? That perhaps they'd defend the First 
Amendment right of a 12-year-old mainstream newspaper to publish 
controversial opinion articles? Think again.

It took the Newhouse-owned Cleveland "Plain Dealer" about ten working 
days to run a lead editorial titled "One For the Fish," written by PD 
staffer Carloyn Davis, a Jewess who in a personal whine piece once stated 
her wish that every gun be wiped off the face of the Earth (no liberal 
bias here). Carolyn was mad, and maybe a little jealous that I could 
write circles around her. She at least quoted the commentary's best 
sentence, which was that Clinton "seated enough white European males to 
ensure that America will be ruined in a competent, intelligent, and 
well-organized fashion." Otherwise it was the stock denunciation of 
"anti-semitic. . .crap," seething with horrified disbelief that anyone 
could suggest that Jews control America's media. (Let's see, a Jewess 
writer for Ohio's largest -- and Jew-owned -- newspaper attacks
a rural Gentile-owned weekly in a lead editorial. . .doesn't sound like
control to me. . .)

The "Cleveland Jewish News" was even more generous, allotting a full page 
to editor Cynthia Dettelbach herself rather than an underling. An equally
unexceptional attack it was, bristling with weasel words and broad smears 
but contradicting none of the commentary's content with opposing facts 
regarding Clinton's appointees.  I imagine the "Jewish News," like most 
of the other Jewish organs in the country, ran bannered praise of 
Clinton's favoritism towards Jews in his administration. I guess it's 
only impolitic for Gentile publications to notice it, another point I 
made in the commentary.

This sort of notice by large media organs goes beyond "coverage" of a hot
topic. Neither publication took any interest in the community served by 
the "Gateway" and probably cared even less who we, the paper covering it, 
were.

The Neuhaus-owned "Akron Beacon Journal" ran no editorial hate pieces, 
but they stayed on top of the unfolding events around that "anti-semitic"
newspaper in Streetsboro. The "Plain Dealer" nominally covered our 
county, but we beat them regularly in an area they usually assigned to 
worn-out hacks in their Summit County bureau. The point is, the sudden 
interest and overbearing coverage of a heretofore unnoticed region of 
their circulation area was looking mighty selective. We had touched on a 
topic that was. . .unpermitted. A Jewish topic. And they were going to 
make sure that the publication impertinent enough to raise the thorny 
issue of Jewish power in the American oval office and the American media 
wouldn't publish for long.

The point man in the effort -- the visible one, anyway -- was Jerry 
Brodsky, a Jewish principal at the largest and most affluent public 
school district in our county. His most recent claim to fame had been his 
opposition to the display of a Christmas tree at the predominantly 
Gentile school he governed.

Also an attorney and a resident of Beachwood, a heavily-Jewish and 
affluent Cleveland bedroom suburub, "Jerry the Jew," as he became
less-than-affectionately known in the "Gateway" office, mounted a 
secondary advertising boycott against us, sending highminded letters to 
many of our advertisers warning them of the business to be lost if they 
continued to advertise with us.  He wrote the letters under his legal
letterhead, though he took care to remind recipients this wasn't official
business (although he did remind them of his important position in the 
school district).

I don't think Jerry the Jew really scared anyone off, but he kept up the
momentum; the big advertisers who dropped us did so on their own hoof. 
Jewish Rite Aid CEO Alex Grass suddenly took a personal interest in the 
ad account of his rundown shop fifteen miles from us and pulled their 
ads, declaring his offense at the article in a letter to us; Jew Albert 
Klaben of Klaben Auto Stores, one of the region's biggest-volume car 
chains, was equally miffed and yanked his. Both were important accounts. 
Several smaller but regular advertisers pulled one by one, and a large 
Cleveland-area grocery chain, Gentile-owned but with stores in heavily 
Jewish Cleveland suburbs, began shuffling their feet and "reconsidering" 
their account in phone calls and letters to my editor.  Nervous local 
Gentile bankers and realtors called with weak offers of continuing 
support, but whined about all  the "bad publicity" we were getting.

We kept the boycott on the front page and started asking questions about 
the fine line between Jerry the Jew's personal tastes in reading and his 
duties as a public administrator. Was he using his position in the 
community to bolster the get-the-Gateway pogrom? Was he tapping out these 
letters on school time, or on school equipment? Word had it the school 
board and superintendent weren't too crazy about Jerry's crusade, and 
eventually he faded into the background. 

But he had apparently had replacements lined up. Dan Dyer, an English 
teacher in Brodsky's school, and Dyer's wife began firing off similarly 
outraged letters to our advertisers. It seemed a bit clubby at the least 
that the next person in the community to pick up the torch happened to 
work for Jerry (who had also done some legal work for Dyer's wife). 

Anyway, why some of Dan's and the missus's letters were in Jerry's house 
still flummoxes me. (How do I know they were? Call it intuition.) I don't 
route my correspondence through my boss's house. Maybe it's a Jewish 
thing. Mrs. Dyer didn't know why either when I called to ask her, 
stammering, "uh, uh, you'd, uh better ask Dan that." I tried, but Dan 
never called back. At least Jerry called me once, but I don't say 
anything of substance into speaker phones when I don't know who else -- 
maybe a better lawyer than Jerry -- is in the room. (He said it was the 
only way the phone worked.)

I can't give Brodsky and company full credit for sinking the "Gateway 
Press," much as they'd probably enjoy it. We were used to a rather anemic 
income and the usual weekly calamities that await any small enterprise, 
especially one competing for ads and readership in what is probably 
called in the trade a "minor media market."  But as we found out, no 
market is too minor to manipulate when Jewish sensibilities are involved. 
 The persistent strain of the boycott and attendant pressures on an 
already precarious balance-sheet took their toll.  We cycled through ad 
reps and other personnel even faster than usual as commissions and morale 
sagged. My editor/publisher, a woman with 25 years in the business and a 
well-deserved reputation for personal tenacity and a take-no-prisoners 
journalism style, did what she could to hold things together. But even 
the tough get tired. While not fully in agreement with me on the topic of 
Jewish media control, she refused my offer of resignation early on and 
continued to publically defend her publication of the piece under
her longstanding commitment to airing cogently-argued, if unpopular, 
opinions of every stripe. But I don't think even she, experienced in the 
business as she was,  expected the virulent response my article 
generated.

When she called us into her office for the news of the sale to our 
competitor, I thought of a mysterious anonymous caller, a not-unfriendly 
and apparently Gentile woman with a patrician accent who contacted me 
early in the fray. She calmly told me the history of "the boycott," 
meaning not the current one against us but the historical prototype of 
the Jewish version of it, and said, "your paper wil be out of business in 
18 months." It took, I think, 14.

What I found significant throughout this process was the outsized 
influence wielded by a small clique, and a clique at that who would 
normally have had no special interest in our paper or in our region, 
which is largely rural and probably 99 percent gentile. Even had a 
genuine boycott been carried out its effect would have been negligible.

Bad publicity seems to have been the boycott's purpose; since the largest 
advertisers who pulled were Jews, a phone call to them from Brodsky or 
the "Jewish News" or the Cleveland ADL probably would have sufficed. 

Another feature of the boycott that struck me was the powerlessness of 
our gentile readers, many of whom were outraged by the attack on us. We 
weren't lacking in support from our readership, some of whom were 
courageous enough to register their agreement with the commentary in our 
letters column. I found encouraging the number of readers who told me 
privately their feelings on Jewish power in U.S. politics -- but 
unfortunately, they didn't wield the power the Jews do among U.S. 
merchandisers, bankers, car dealers, and realtors, the people whose ad 
dollars support small (and large) newspapers.

It shouldn't have surprised me. I had to laugh at Jewess Davis's 
description of Jewish media power in the "Plain Dealer" editorial as a 
"bigoted buzz phrase that goes back decades." One doesn't have to sample 
overtly "racist" writings to encounter references to Jewish media 
control, and they date back much farther than decades. When I see past 
allusions to Jewish press power from the pens of such august and 
"establishment" figures as historian W.E.H. Lecky,  Churchill, Hillaire 
Belloc, or Sir Richard Burton (among many others), two things cross my 
mind. 

One is the casual manner of its mention, as though these writers are 
noting that the sky is blue.  Lecky, for example, in his late 
nineteenth-century masterpiece "Democracy and Liberty," devotes a 
paragraph or two to Jewish domination of the Russian press under the 
Czars (he attributes to it at least some of the resentment the average 
Russian felt for the Jews during the pogroms). No earnest attempt is made 
to convice the reader of a doubtful precept, no long lists of proofs are 
proferred: not because they couldn't be produced, one senses, but because 
it simply isn't necessary  to document what appears to have been a 
commonly-known fact among the less-numerous, but better-informed,
literate members of earlier generations.

The second and more troubling thing that strikes me about this is that
contemporary authors of comparative standing could not publish  similar
observations, or at least not without sudden relegation to vanity presses 
and maybe community college jobs. Probably only the eminence and the 
solid corpus of work produced by earlier authors, and perhaps less fear 
among Gentile publishers, allowed them to make such references without 
destroying their careers. 

At any rate,  Jewish press control is hardly a venal myth that's been
propagated for decades (centuries?) by antisemites; it is rather a truth 
that has been relentlessly obscured by increasingly powerful Jewish 
interests within and outside the press. No one who has closely studied 
the pertinent history at any length can convincingly argue otherwise, 
even if the student limits himself to "permitted" books and authors 
rather than documents some find inherently questionable (i.e. the 
"Protocols.") The extent to which an offending author is pushed to the 
margins or shielded from the public by a self-interested Jewish minority 
probably depends on a variety of factors, but one thing is certain: he 
won't emerge from the process quite intact.

So what has this to do with the experiences of a small-time writer for a
little newspaper in Streetsboro, Ohio? Only that I saw firsthand what 
happens and has happened to many writers who dare to write and publish on 
the fact of Jewish media and political influence. It was in one sense a 
privilege to be in courageous company living and dead: to be allocated 
the ire bestowed on people like Belloc, Chesterton, Dr. Pierce,
Douglas Reed, Wilmot Robertson was a badge of honor of sorts. 

In other senses, not least the sacrifice of a good newspaper on the altar 
of Jewish sensibilities, it was a tragedy. Not for me: it's virtually 
certain that despite fifteen years of some pretty good journalism on my 
part, I'll never work again for a "respectable" journal, but given the 
litmus tests and the rules imposed by them, who would want to? If 
anything, my experience in fifteen years in the field has been one of 
progressive distaste for it, and in that sentiment at least I join a 
growing number of Americans. Unfortunately, most readers and television 
viewers will probably continue to be guided by a thirst for entertainment 
and stimulation despite their stated disgust for the mainstream media. 
But there's no doubt that awareness of the true nature and agenda of 
America's "mainstream," i.e., Jewish, media is growing, and perhaps
we can take a page from the Chosen Ones themselves when it comes to the
retribution a committed and aligned minority can impose.

(A copy of the original editorial that spurred the "boycott" is 
available.)

written by Jack Killey
posted by Kevin Alfred Strom
-- 


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From ka_strom@ix.netcom.com Sun Sep  1 08:38:56 PDT 1996
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From: Kevin Alfred Strom 
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Charles Don Hall wrote:
> ...
> 
> Do you get upset when you see a man with black hair couple with
> a woman with blonde hair? Or when you see a man who's six foot
> two coupled with a woman who's barely five feet tall? Genetically,
> skin color is no more significant than height or hair color.
> ...


No one experiences anxiety in those cases, because those are not the 
defining external characteristics of our people.

Of course, external characteristics like skin color and facial features 
can often tell us what race an individual belongs to, just as a flag at 
the stern of a ship can tell us the ship's country of origin. But it is 
misdirection to purposely confuse the flag for the ship, or the flag for 
the country.

What does it matter if there's a ship with an Iraqi flag in among the 
Israeli fleet? Flags are no more significant, ship-wise, than sails or 
turrets, and are a lot less significant than guns and radar sets. You 
don't get upset when a PT boat sails with the aircraft carriers, do you? 
Why get upset about a little piece of cloth?

Human beings do now, and throughout their history have, sometimes 
consciously and sometimes unconciously, organized themselves into 
evolutionarily significant units based on kinship. Let us call these 
units peoples. These units are often quite distinctive, and anxiety at 
the taking of the women of your people by men obviously of another people 
is quite natural, and has sometimes been interpreted as grounds for war. 
It is no different in essence from anxiety at having your people's 
territory invaded by others, a feeling which is common not only to all 
humans but also, apparently, to many other animals.

There is an evolutionary purpose behind this anxiety.

With all good wishes,

-- 


Kevin Alfred Strom

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Charles Don Hall wrote:
> ...
> 
> Do you get upset when you see a man with black hair couple with
> a woman with blonde hair? Or when you see a man who's six foot
> two coupled with a woman who's barely five feet tall? Genetically,
> skin color is no more significant than height or hair color.
> ...


No one experiences anxiety in those cases, because those are not the 
defining external characteristics of our people.

Of course, external characteristics like skin color and facial features 
can often tell us what race an individual belongs to, just as a flag at 
the stern of a ship can tell us the ship's country of origin. But it is 
misdirection to purposely confuse the flag for the ship, or the flag for 
the country.

What does it matter if there's a ship with an Iraqi flag in among the 
Israeli fleet? Flags are no more significant, ship-wise, than sails or 
turrets, and are a lot less significant than guns and radar sets. You 
don't get upset when a PT boat sails with the aircraft carriers, do you? 
Why get upset about a little piece of cloth?

Human beings do now, and throughout their history have, sometimes 
consciously and sometimes unconciously, organized themselves into 
evolutionarily significant units based on kinship. Let us call these 
units peoples. These units are often quite distinctive, and anxiety at 
the taking of the women of your people by men obviously of another people 
is quite natural, and has sometimes been interpreted as grounds for war. 
It is no different in essence from anxiety at having your people's 
territory invaded by others, a feeling which is common not only to all 
humans but also, apparently, to many other animals.

There is an evolutionary purpose behind this anxiety.

With all good wishes,

-- 


Kevin Alfred Strom

-----------------------------------------------------------
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                The Finest in European Art:
      http://www.telecall.co.uk/~synergy/gframing/cat2.html

                   Patriotic Resistance:
                  http://www.natvan.com/
                  http://www.natall.com/


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Charles Don Hall wrote:
> ...
> 
> Do you get upset when you see a man with black hair couple with
> a woman with blonde hair? Or when you see a man who's six foot
> two coupled with a woman who's barely five feet tall? Genetically,
> skin color is no more significant than height or hair color.
> ...


No one experiences anxiety in those cases, because those are not the 
defining external characteristics of our people.

Of course, external characteristics like skin color and facial features 
can often tell us what race an individual belongs to, just as a flag at 
the stern of a ship can tell us the ship's country of origin. But it is 
misdirection to purposely confuse the flag for the ship, or the flag for 
the country.

What does it matter if there's a ship with an Iraqi flag in among the 
Israeli fleet? Flags are no more significant, ship-wise, than sails or 
turrets, and are a lot less significant than guns and radar sets. You 
don't get upset when a PT boat sails with the aircraft carriers, do you? 
Why get upset about a little piece of cloth?

Human beings do now, and throughout their history have, sometimes 
consciously and sometimes unconciously, organized themselves into 
evolutionarily significant units based on kinship. Let us call these 
units peoples. These units are often quite distinctive, and anxiety at 
the taking of the women of your people by men obviously of another people 
is quite natural, and has sometimes been interpreted as grounds for war. 
It is no different in essence from anxiety at having your people's 
territory invaded by others, a feeling which is common not only to all 
humans but also, apparently, to many other animals.

There is an evolutionary purpose behind this anxiety.

With all good wishes,

-- 


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Andy Walton wrote:
> 
> In article <3222B83A.5AB8@ix.netcom.com>, Kevin Alfred Strom
>  wrote:
> 
>   :When dealing with chromatic differences (wavelength of light), a similar
>   :lack of boundaries also applies, and yet it is still quite useful in a
>   :number of different applications to distinguish between red, green, and
>   :blue, et cetera. I think that the engineers at Sony Corporation would get
>   :a good laugh if you informed them that the color-splitting (segregating!)
>   :prisms in their video cameras were of no use whatever because, since
>   :there is no clearly-defined boundary between green and blue, green and
>   :blue really do not exist and no distinctions may legitimately be drawn
>   :between them.
> 
> Fine. If you are goint to draw such distinctions based on reflective
> qualities of skin, then post precise criteria. There are 16+ million
> variants on the scale from 000000 (black) to FFFFFF (white, expressed as
> RR GG BB in hexadecimal). Racial boundaries can be defined -- but those
> definitions are invariably subjective, and have invariably, in this forum,
> taken the "I know it when I see it" approach. That is unconscionably vague
> as a legal standard.
> 


Of course, in this reference to color I was not talking about skin color 
at all. I was talking about the absurdity of denying the reality of 
biological race (or any category of things without "hard-edged" 
boundaries) just because its definitional boundaries are subject to some 
dispute.



>   :The claim has been advanced that since human races grade into one another
>   :at their peripheries, race as a concept is fundamentally useless. By
>   :using the examples of colors and bodies of water, I showed that such a
>   :claim has very little merit.
> 
> Your 'bodies of water' analogy was weak and counterproductive from the
> get-go. The same H2O molecules pass from the Gulf of Mexico to the
> Carribean Sea to the Atlantic Ocean (and even to the Pacific and Indian
> oceans, via the Panama Canal) without any change in their essential
> nature. The waters are identical. The distinctions are geographic,
> temporary, and arbitrary. the differences in current, salinity, and
> temperature are entirely the product of environment. This analogy does
> more against your cause than for it.
> ...


Again, any analogy has its limits, and you wildly misunderstand me once 
again. As with the color analogy, the point is that a mountain brook is 
different in many important ways from the Atlantic Ocean despite the fact 
that the boundaries that separate the two are, if you will forgive my 
putting it this way, somewhat fluid.

But since you insist on this degree of literalness, and since I like to 
have lots of fun, may I add that _all_ genetic differences between all 
beings on this planet are also the product of the environment?

Also, if you look at the long-term picture, virtually all species are 
"geographic" and "temporary," and even "arbitrary" not only in the space 
dimensions but also in the time dimension. (Could _homo erectus_ have 
produced viable and fertile offspring with _homo neanderthalis_? Where is 
the "boundary" between these two species?) None of this changes the fact 
that water with a current of 100 knots and a temperature of 33 degrees F. 
must be dealt with somewhat differently than the water in your daughter's 
wading pool, and it is useful to have different names to convey the 
differences.

In addition, like the atoms comprising a river, the atoms that comprise 
my body and yours are largely replaced after a period of years, and so it 
may be said that you and I are quite different persons than we were 
twenty years ago. I am sure that, after these particles have departed 
>from  our bodies, they change not at all in their "essential nature." 
Nevertheless, it is extremely useful to call the atoms in their living 
organized state "Andy Walton" and the departed atoms by other names.

Happy Labor Day wishes,

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Laura Finsten wrote:
> ...
> 
> It is important to note that there are *many* differing classifications
> which attempt to simplify human biological variation by grouping people
> into "races" or other ill-defined categories.  It is also important to
> be aware that there is already available considerable *genetic* information
> on variation with the human species, and that this information presently
> indicates very clearly that *none* of the existing "racial" classifications
> does justice to the *either* existing variation within individual groups
> identified as "races" by any of these schemes, OR to the tremendous
> degree of similarity among the various groups so identified.
> 


I am sure that there are also "tremendous" similarities between the 
various subspecies of bluebirds and chipmunks, and I am equally sure that 
none of the existing systems of subspecific division of these species 
"does justice" to the actual genetic differences between them.

If two populations of chipmunks are granted subspecies status, though 
they differ only in an altitude preference of a few hundred yards and in 
markings not discernible at a distance of more than five feet, and though 
they can interbreed freely; then why would Australoids and Mongoloids not 
also be granted assignment to separate subspecies?



> ...
> 
> You are misrepresenting the current state of human biology and human
> population genetics by implying, erroneously, that there is broad
> agreement that subspecies exist  This simply is *not true*.
> 


It is undeniable that the words "race" and "subspecies" (or, for that 
matter, "variety") are synonyms, and that many scientists and laymen use 
them interchangably. You are right that a consensus is now lacking on 
either side of the "human subspecies" debate, and it is even possible 
that sheer numbers favor the "only one race" side. But... a presence or 
lack of a consensus does not change what exists in the real world.

If the same standards were applied to humans as to other species, there 
would be no doubt that _homo sapiens_ would be divided into several 
subspecies based on obvious morphological differences. But there is a 
reluctance, partly political and partly philosophical/religious that 
militates against this. In some cases fear might be a motivating factor. 
Here is a bit of the debate as it raged on sci.anthropology, which is 
archived presently at

http://www.anatomy.su.oz.au/danny/anthropology/sci.anthropology/archive/september-1995/0294.html

and connected links:

---begin quoted message---

Homo Sapiens needs to be classified in
sub species.

Jong (jong@mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk)
1 Sep 1995 23:00:55 GMT 

      
The genetic and phenotypic differences between so called
races maybe big enough to sub classify the human species.
While we subdivide various other species into sub species,
due to political and social worries, anthropologists are failing
to do it. As there is inconsistency in making subspecies 
due to real difficulty and simple lack of coordination between
classifiers the issue does not necessarily mean people tabooed
it. Also, the population seems to be more open to interethnic
marriage due to recent geographical and socioeconomical factors. 
Even so, anthropology should be able to provide information
on the differences between group's people. 

Jong.

---begin next quoted message---

Re: Homo Sapiens needs to be classified
in sub species.

Gerold Firl (geroldf@sdd.hp.com)
7 Sep 1995 13:28:10 -0700 

 

In article <428o9d$6u0@sun.lclark.edu> adunn@sun.lclark.edu (Allan Dunn) 
writes:

> I wonder why it would be useful at all? If anyone has insight on 
>this I would like to know.

To me, the most useful information which could be gained by a thorough
understanding of human races (where race is synonomous with biological
subspecies) is the resulting insight into our evolutionary past. The
current pattern of human races (muddied as it is by massive mixing) is a
map of both gene flow and the movement of peoples. In trying to piece
together our history, this is vital data.

It's good that people have a social conscience, and are concerned about 
the
possible misuse of knowledge. But I think that attempting to claim that
race among humans is purely a social fiction is an absurd over-reaction.
Anyone with any knowledge of evolutionary biology can clearly see that
there are human subspecies. Attempting to enforce an ideological 
gag-order
on such people is orwellian doublethink. On the other hand, telling
xenophobic racists that their mania has no scientific basis is equally
futile; anyone who uses race as a primary classification tool for their
interactions with other individuals will not be concerned about getting
their science straight.

I suppose this ideological campaign is really aimed at the people in the
middle, those who don't have enough evolutionary biology to understand 
what
a subspecies is, and who are not mired in an ideology which depends on
racist notions of superiority/inferiority. But however noble your goal 
may
be, using disinformation to sway the debate will be counterproductive in
the long run. Race does exist, but that doesn't mean we have to be 
racist.
The sooner we can drain the emotional rancor from ths debate, the sooner 
we
can get back to the more pleasant task of pursueing the science of man.

---begin next quoted message---

Re: Homo Sapiens needs to be classified
in sub species.

Gerold Firl (geroldf@sdd.hp.com)
8 Sep 1995 13:16:09 -0700 

      

In article <42nt4r$lbc@access1.digex.net> huston@access.digex.net writes:
>In article <42nkkqINNfmj@hpsdlmc1.sdd.hp.com>,
>Gerold Firl  wrote:
>}Anyone with any knowledge of evolutionary biology can clearly see that
>}there are human subspecies.

>What are their Latin names?

A fair question - no scientific consensus has ever emerged regarding the
appropriate level of differentiation between races, and thus races do not
have commonly accepted linnean designations. 

In the case of other species, say, pocket gophers, the first biologist 
who
came along with sufficient interest and time to classify the regional
varieties could apply whatever level of differentiation seemed 
appropriate.
It might eventually provoke a counter, if someone else felt that the
analysis was flawed, and cared enough to take the time, but such disputes
are carried-on at the leisurely pace of scholarly debate. The human case 
is
different.

Many classification proposals have been suggested. There are those who 
will
passionately proclaim that "there is only one human race - the human
race!". That is one extreme, the ultimate lump. A popular, and still 
overly
lumpy, in my opinion, classification uses three races: negroid, 
caucasian, 
and mongoloid. I seem to recall an attempt to more finely split h. 
sapiens
into 33 races; that is pretty far out on the extreme end of the lumper-
splitter continuum, but is by no means unjustified. Many other species 
have
been classified to similar levels of sub-speciation; the pocket gopher, 
for
example. 

So, I am saying that anyone with an understanding of evolutionary biology
(unless they have an ideological axe to grind!) can easily see that human
subspecies exist. The african pygmies are the clearest example of that. 
The
question then is where and how would the divisions be drawn; what level 
of
differentiation is appropriate? Again, a fair question. It depends on 
what
you're interested in. Anthropology, the science of man, which examines 
all
aspects of the human condition, benefits from an understanding of even
subtle differences between human populations. As we see from evolutionary
biology, over long periods of time, even subtle differences can produce
significant divergance. Thus I would argue that shying away from the 
issue 
of human race is an act of abdication, a retreat from a legitimate aspect 
of
study as a result of political pressure. I support the idea of an ethical
foundation to work; anthropologists must follow their conscience, as must
all of us. I'm saying that this should not be an "ethical" issue; race is 
a
biological fact, and must be treated as such. I don't like the idea of 
race
being used as a political tool, either, but that is a different issue
entirely. Pretending that race doesn't exist simply won't help anything.

---begin next quoted message---

Re: Homo Sapiens needs to be classified
in sub species.

Scott Sellers (sds@crash.cts.com)
Wed, 13 Sep 1995 03:45:57 GMT 



In article <42nkkqINNfmj@hpsdlmc1.sdd.hp.com>, geroldf@sdd.hp.com says...
>
>In article <428o9d$6u0@sun.lclark.edu> adunn@sun.lclark.edu (Allan Dunn) writes:
>
>> I wonder why it would be useful at all? If anyone has insight on 
>>this I would like to know.
>
>To me, the most useful information which could be gained by a thorough
>understanding of human races (where race is synonomous with biological
>subspecies) is the resulting insight into our evolutionary past. The
>current pattern of human races (muddied as it is by massive mixing) is a
>map of both gene flow and the movement of peoples. In trying to piece
>together our history, this is vital data.
>

It seems odd to speak of "our" evolutionary past while at the same time 
attempting to 
divide humans along evolutionary lines. If the focus is upon the 
differentiation of 
human subspecies, wouldn't differentiated terms be more appropriate? Of 
course, that 
would be part of the task. And can we really speak of "our" history if we 
are divided 
into unmuddied (pure?) races? How about, say, "our" history and "their" 
history.

>It's good that people have a social conscience, and are concerned about the
>possible misuse of knowledge. But I think that attempting to claim that
>race among humans is purely a social fiction is an absurd over-reaction.

I agree. Race is not "purely" a social fiction. However, I'd say the 
preponderance of 
the uses of "race" as a category in human history, past AND present, have 
been, and 
are, social fiction.

>Anyone with any knowledge of evolutionary biology can clearly see that
>there are human subspecies. 

So can anyone with any racist theory.

>Attempting to enforce an ideological gag-order
>on such people is orwellian doublethink. On the other hand, telling
>xenophobic racists that their mania has no scientific basis is equally
>futile; anyone who uses race as a primary classification tool for their
>interactions with other individuals will not be concerned about getting
>their science straight.

Again, I agree. Right-thinking xenophobic racists' usually rely directly 
upon the Word 
of God to back their positions. Not that they will pass on the odd bit of 
science, 
psuedo or otherwise. Hitler claimed a sound scientific basis for his 
racial theories. 
Even if your "pure science" approach arrives at a conclusion that is 
value neutral 
regarding the various "subspecies," just think how certain scholars will 
misinterpret, 
amplify, or flat out misrepresent it.

>
>I suppose this ideological campaign is really aimed at the people in the
>middle, those who don't have enough evolutionary biology to understand what
>a subspecies is, and who are not mired in an ideology which depends on
>racist notions of superiority/inferiority. 

I'd say most people would not limit their conception of human subspecies 
to the hard 
biological science you might come up with. Probably enough people to make 
a plurality 
in, say, the U.S.A. today. And while the "people in the middle" may not 
currently be 
"mired" in racist ideology, I wouldn't consider them unsusceptible to 
such. See 
Germany, 1930's-40's, or the Deep South, Slavery era, or the former 
Yugoslavia today.

>But however noble your goal may
>be, using disinformation to sway the debate will be counterproductive in
>the long run. Race does exist, but that doesn't mean we have to be racist.
>The sooner we can drain the emotional rancor from ths debate, the sooner we
>can get back to the more pleasant task of pursueing the science of man.

Noble? I'd say pragmatic. I wish I shared your faith that science will 
somehow out in 
the "long run." I don't. I think that people are profoundly ideological 
animals, 
science be hanged. The theory you espouse, while perhaps having some 
value in the 
pursuit of truth, would, I'm afraid, be far more significant as fodder 
for ideologies 
which reach far beyond the scope of science, into the realm of politics 
and power. 
But, go ahead. Tack up your thesis. Just watch out who yanks it down and 
runs with 
it. But, I guess that's not really your concern. Here's to pleasant 
pursuits.

---end quoted messages---


In the last post, Mr. Sellers, while acknowledging the utility of 
subspecific classes for humans, advises against their use because they 
might give credence to "racism," which he deplores.

Most illuminating.



....
> 
> 
> There is no evidence that speciation is occuring within the human species.
> Hominids, at least from the time of Homo erectus a million and a half
> years ago, have *always* been highly mobile, and high degrees of mobility
> are one of the factors which operate very strongly *against* speciation.
> Don't try to dress your racism up in biological clothing that doesn't
> fit at all, Mr. Strom.
> 


Birds are even more "highly mobile" than we are, and yet somehow they 
have managed to speciate quite nicely, dozens of times, at least.

To simplify the discussion, I will assume for the sake of argument that 
the "Out of Africa" theory of human origins is true.

Pre-humans evolved into a recognizably human form in Africa. Human groups 
then emerged to colonize the other continents. As they adapted to these 
new environments, and as a certain amount of reproductive isolation was 
entailed by the distances and obstacles involved, differences began to 
develop between these populations. They had begun to evolutionarily 
diverge, or branch. They became _more different_ from each other the 
longer they were separated. This process is called speciation, whether 
the process has just begun or is complete in the sense that a new species 
has been produced. Remember, I said speciation "is happening," as in an 
ongoing process. It is a process which occurs continually in Nature, and 
which can be completed or terminated depending on the environment. It 
would be remarkable if this process did not occur in the human animal.

The racial debate really hinges on whether we should end this process or 
allow/encourage it to continue.



> [Kevin Alfred Strom stated to Eugene Holman:]
> >You speculate plausibly, but even if your speculations are correct, it
> >remains indisputably true that one race replaced another in Europe. The
> >descendants of the better-adapted and little-changed conquerors still
> >live there today, and are known to all but quibblers as Europeans or
> >Whites. Neanderthal hybrids are confined mainly to the universities (so
> >named because they exist in a universe quite separate from the universe
> >of reality which the rest of us inhabit); otherwise they left little
> >trace and may be confidently declared to be extinct.
> 
> Gee, you said you didn't think I was a Neanderthal, but now you seem
> to be lumping me in with Neanderthals, Mr. Strom, perhaps inadvertently.


Read carefully, and learn to recognize a joke when you see it.



> Why are you arguing with Mr. Holman in such insulting terms, Mr. Strom?


No insult intended. Some of my best friends are university professors.


> In evolutionary terms, the process by which the physically distinctive
> characteristics of Neanderthals disappeared from the fossil record
> around 40,000 years ago is not at all well understood.  Your assumption
> that Homo sapiens sapiens was "better adapted" may or may not be true.


Nature seems to have given her verdict.



> Your assumption that Homo sapiens neanderthalensis was "outcompeted",
> marginalised, and driven to extinction by H.s.s. may or may not be true.
> As the geographical barriers that isolated H.s.n. populations in
> western Europe during the Wurm glaciation and led to the emergence of
> their "extreme" physical characteristics dissolved, it may simply be
> that gene flow between them and other Homo sapiens populations resumed.
> This is a possibility that cannot yet be ruled out.
> 


Sure, I suppose so. But if they had been the "better adapted" ones to the 
new conditions, we would expect to have seen their characteristics spread 
throughout the population through natural selection.



> [...]
> 
> >The "Out of Africa" model may someday be proved correct -- or discarded
> >-- but all human races undoubtedly branched, somehow, from a common
> >ancestor. No one, except the wilfully ignorant, doubts that today. So
> >there is, of course, no such thing as a pure race if by that you mean one
> >utterly unrelated to other human races.
> 
> I can't speak for Mr. Holman, but this is not what I understand by the
> term "pure race".  I understand this term to mean groups of people whose
> biological connection to other human groups is so remote that they
> are genuinely distinctive.  The concept of "pure races" implies not only
> initial divergence but continued, pretty much complete reproductive
> separation.  It implies separate genetic histories over a very long
> period of time.  None of the existing evidence from human population
> genetics supports the existence of "pure races" among humans.
> 


"So remote," "pretty much complete," "very long," etc., are all a little 
too vague for me to get a real handle on your proposed definition for 
"pure races," so I guess I will just say that I don't know exactly what 
you mean. I happily admit that all human races are related.



> >But the environment selects and molds and purifies in the sense of
> >creating new races and eventually new species, each with its own unique
> >destiny on this mysterious and wonderful planet. And the environment
> >survived by the prehistoric Europeans was a severe and special one
> >indeed, one that molded the race that is reaching its hesitant hands into
> >space.
> 
> The physical environment of Europe was no more challenging than any other
> environment.


Are you really asserting that all environments are equally challenging? 
If that were true, then retirees would not prefer Florida to Minnesota. 
Or the Riviera to Antarctica, for that matter.


> Humans have had to struggle and cope with the vagaries
> of harsh climates (if not frigid temperatures, hot ones; if not between
> seasonal extremes then between day and night extremes), with predators
> of different sorts, with perpetual scarcity and seasonal abundance
> throughout the species' history....


Then populations that have travelled the greatest distance from tropical 
Africa, their putative point of origin, and which have therefore had to 
survive a greater variety of environments, might therefore be theorized 
to have undergone a more rigorous selection process than those who stayed 
behind. An interesting thought.


> If Europe were somehow unique, one
> might wish to ask why the characteristics we generally associated with
> "high civilisation" - agriculture, the domestication of animals, the
> development of writing, the emergence of state-level political
> institutions - all arose elsewhere long, usually very long, before they
> made it to Europe via social and cultural interactions and actual
> population migrations.
> ...


The Sumerians certainly appear to be racially a part of Europe even if 
not, strictly speaking, geographically so. So migrations probably went 
both ways. No doubt, though, the various groups of Caucasians generally 
credited with creating the first civilizations were a various lot.

With all good wishes,

-- 


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From ka_strom@ix.netcom.com Thu Sep  5 15:42:19 PDT 1996
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From: Kevin Alfred Strom 
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Subject: Re: Was Gerhard Lauck Framed By Anti-Racists?
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Holger Skok wrote:
> 
> In article <50agrb$17s@sjx-ixn2.ix.netcom.com>,
> zenoink@ix.netcom.com(Zenoink) wrote:
> 
> >Are you saying that Gerhard Lauck DID something that led to his current
> >situation?  That is, something analogous to burning a cross on YOUR
> >lawn (as opposed to his own, with permit?)  Please post what that was.
> 
> Distributing the "NS-Kampfruf" - a neo-nazi newspaper written (in
> German) and printed in the US (or Canada) - inside the Federal
> Republic of Germany by means of the German postal services.
> 


In reality, it was the German post office which distributed the material 
within Germany. If they are really as censorhappy about the mails as they 
appear to be about the Internet, they should have examined every letter 
and parcel for forbidden statements. Gerhard Lauck couldn't do a thing 
about it if the German government wanted to burn his books, newspapers, 
and letters once they were in government hands.

It is much easier to kidnap and imprison the author, though, so that is 
what they did.



> >Or are you in fact saying that he deserves to be imprisoned for what he
> >SAID?
> 
> According to German law, he does. One important distinction needs
> to be made in this context: nothing would have happened to him, had
> he only SAID the things he did say. He PUBLISHED and DISTRIBUTED them,
> though, and that is a bit of a difference. Not much of a difference,
> admittedly, but it exists.
> 


If freedom of speech is to be restricted to private conversations only, 
then it is a sham. Free men ought to be allowed to use printing presses, 
postage stamps, radio waves, and digital pulses to express 
themselves.

With good wishes for September,

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From ka_strom@ix.netcom.com Thu Sep  5 15:42:20 PDT 1996
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schwartz@infinet.com wrote:
> 
> In article <50agrb$17s@sjx-ixn2.ix.netcom.com>,
> zenoink@ix.netcom.com(Zenoink) wrote:
> 
> > Are you saying that Gerhard Lauck DID something that led to his current
> > situation?  That is, something analogous to burning a cross on YOUR
> > lawn (as opposed to his own, with permit?)  Please post what that was.
> 
> Kay:
> 
> Forgive me for jumping in here, buyt I'd like to respond.
> 
> Gerhard Lauck DID do something wrong. He broke the laws of a foreign country.
> 


No more than I break the laws of China if I write while in the United 
States that the current Chinese Communist regime is illegitimate and 
criminal and ought to be overthrown.

If I did that and was then kidnapped while in Japan and "extradited" to 
China through legal trickery, where I was "tried" and sentenced to a long 
prison term, I feel quite confident that American pressure would be 
applied to have me released. Remember the juvenile delinquent from 
America who was going to have his bottom whipped in, was it Singapore? 
Lauck got no such help because of his political views.



> Just because one is an American does NOT mean we're exempt from the laws
> of foreign countries. If we travel abroad and break laws, we're subject to
> punishment and/or imprisonment in that country.
> 
> Period.
> 


Lauck was "convicted" of "crimes" that consisted of expressing his 
political opinions while on United States soil. He never set foot in 
Germany until dragged there in chains.

Are you saying you approve of this?

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From ka_strom@ix.netcom.com Thu Sep  5 15:42:21 PDT 1996
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Christian Bau wrote:
> ...
> 
> You commit a crime, they catch you, and you go to jail. Doesnt help if
> there are loopholes in the local laws of the USA. He was a pain in the
> ass, he violated against the most basic democratic rights of people in
> Germany, and he got what he deserved.


If being a "pain in the ass" was a criminal offense, over half the 
residents of New York City would be in jail.

Lauck "violated against the most basic democratic rights of people in 
Germany" by _writing and publishing articles_? How can you violate 
anyone's rights by publishing articles?

Did you go to the George Orwell Oceania and Eurasia School of Speech and 
Rhetoric to learn how to make my point so well?

Let's face it, Lauck is in jail because the current rulers of Germany 
want to squelch his political ideas by any means necessary. Many 
"anti-racist" activists reveal quite clearly their real position on 
freedom of speech when they discuss his kidnapping and imprisonment.

With best wishes for September,

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From ka_strom@ix.netcom.com Thu Sep  5 16:26:55 PDT 1996
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Alexandre Kotov wrote:
> 
> In article <50airk$fuc@lendl.cc.emory.edu>,
> william c anderson  wrote:
> >No, you don't.  There's is no "aryan race"--the term was invented
> >by the Nazis, and has no scientific validity at all.
> 
> You are partly wrong. The term "Aryan" was introduced long before Nazism came
> about. It is generally thought that the term was first used in linguistics.
> But that's not 100% certain. Because there are indications that it was first
> used by Arthur, Comte de Gobineau a prominent French diplomat, philosopher
> and writer in his monumental work "On Inequality of Human Races" which was
> published in 1854. And note that it was used specifically in relation to the
> matters of race. I believe that only the first volume exists in English
> translation. You should be able to get it from your university library.
> 
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>                  Alex.                               http://umbc.edu/~akotov1
>             "Maybe TV is right? TV's always right." -- H. Simpson


Of course use of the term Aryan preceded National Socialism. It also 
preceded Gobineau, since it was used by the ancient Aryan rulers of the 
Indian subcontinent, and is widely believed to be the root word for 
"Iran." I do not believe these ancient peoples used it in only a 
linguistic sense, by the way.

There is an hilarious "anti-racist" book in my local public library, 
intended for use by schoolteachers, which claims that the term was 
invented by an evil "nazi" named "Dr. Arius."

Happy September,

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From ka_strom@ix.netcom.com Thu Sep  5 16:26:56 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Gary "Gerhard" Lauck >> Was G.L. Framed By Anti-Racists?
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Craig Thomas Reisser wrote:
> ...
> 
> As such, German (and other European) authorities were fully justified in
> arresting, extraditing Lauck for trial.  Out here in Nebraska, the base
> of operations for his NAZI propaganda ring, we are delighted that this
> obnoxious brown hate-monger is safely locked up in a German Gefaengnis.
> And none are happier than the citizens of Syracuse, Nebraska -- the
> German-American community where Lauck and his family owned a home.  One
> of our local TV news-crews interviewed folks in that town recently:  they
> all were elated that the Germans had thrown the local NAZI in jail.
> ...


So, you are saying that they, and presumably you, approve of imprisoning 
those with whom you disagree, such as "nazis"?

Care to describe exactly the standards by which you will decide who goes 
to prison?

For one small example, I am myself in favor of racial separatism and 
self-determination for Whites in an all-White racial state. I further 
believe that America should never have fought on the side of the 
Communists during World War II, and that a victory by the anti-Comintern 
powers would have been much better for America than the reverse. Should I 
be jailed for propagating these views through the mails or on the 
Internet?

Please tell me what _your_ view is on this. We already know about the 
"laws" of Germany and Denmark.

With all good wishes,

-- 


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Craig Thomas Reisser wrote:
> ...
> 
> As such, German (and other European) authorities were fully justified in
> arresting, extraditing Lauck for trial.  Out here in Nebraska, the base
> of operations for his NAZI propaganda ring, we are delighted that this
> obnoxious brown hate-monger is safely locked up in a German Gefaengnis.
> And none are happier than the citizens of Syracuse, Nebraska -- the
> German-American community where Lauck and his family owned a home.  One
> of our local TV news-crews interviewed folks in that town recently:  they
> all were elated that the Germans had thrown the local NAZI in jail.
> ...


So, you are saying that they, and presumably you, approve of imprisoning 
those with whom you disagree, such as "nazis"?

Care to describe exactly the standards by which you will decide who goes 
to prison?

For one small example, I am myself in favor of racial separatism and 
self-determination for Whites in an all-White racial state. I further 
believe that America should never have fought on the side of the 
Communists during World War II, and that a victory by the anti-Comintern 
powers would have been much better for America than the reverse. Should I 
be jailed for propagating these views through the mails or on the 
Internet?

Please tell me what _your_ view is on this. We already know about the 
"laws" of Germany and Denmark.

With all good wishes,

-- 


Kevin Alfred Strom

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Alexandre Kotov wrote:
> 
> In article <50airk$fuc@lendl.cc.emory.edu>,
> william c anderson  wrote:
> >No, you don't.  There's is no "aryan race"--the term was invented
> >by the Nazis, and has no scientific validity at all.
> 
> You are partly wrong. The term "Aryan" was introduced long before Nazism came
> about. It is generally thought that the term was first used in linguistics.
> But that's not 100% certain. Because there are indications that it was first
> used by Arthur, Comte de Gobineau a prominent French diplomat, philosopher
> and writer in his monumental work "On Inequality of Human Races" which was
> published in 1854. And note that it was used specifically in relation to the
> matters of race. I believe that only the first volume exists in English
> translation. You should be able to get it from your university library.
> 
> CIA Ft. Meade Marxist strategic arrangements NORAD World Trade Center
> terrorist Soviet Qaddafi Saddam Hussein SEAL Team 6 Serbian DES Ortega
> --
>                 Regards,                             akotov1@umbc.edu
>                  Alex.                               http://umbc.edu/~akotov1
>             "Maybe TV is right? TV's always right." -- H. Simpson


Of course use of the term Aryan preceded National Socialism. It also 
preceded Gobineau, since it was used by the ancient Aryan rulers of the 
Indian subcontinent, and is widely believed to be the root word for 
"Iran." I do not believe these ancient peoples used it in only a 
linguistic sense, by the way.

There is an hilarious "anti-racist" book in my local public library, 
intended for use by schoolteachers, which claims that the term was 
invented by an evil "nazi" named "Dr. Arius."

Happy September,

-- 


Kevin Alfred Strom

-----------------------------------------------------------
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Craig Thomas Reisser wrote:
> ...
> 
> As such, German (and other European) authorities were fully justified in
> arresting, extraditing Lauck for trial.  Out here in Nebraska, the base
> of operations for his NAZI propaganda ring, we are delighted that this
> obnoxious brown hate-monger is safely locked up in a German Gefaengnis.
> And none are happier than the citizens of Syracuse, Nebraska -- the
> German-American community where Lauck and his family owned a home.  One
> of our local TV news-crews interviewed folks in that town recently:  they
> all were elated that the Germans had thrown the local NAZI in jail.
> ...


So, you are saying that they, and presumably you, approve of imprisoning 
those with whom you disagree, such as "nazis"?

Care to describe exactly the standards by which you will decide who goes 
to prison?

For one small example, I am myself in favor of racial separatism and 
self-determination for Whites in an all-White racial state. I further 
believe that America should never have fought on the side of the 
Communists during World War II, and that a victory by the anti-Comintern 
powers would have been much better for America than the reverse. Should I 
be jailed for propagating these views through the mails or on the 
Internet?

Please tell me what _your_ view is on this. We already know about the 
"laws" of Germany and Denmark.

With all good wishes,

-- 


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From ka_strom@ix.netcom.com Thu Sep  5 18:22:37 PDT 1996
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From: Kevin Alfred Strom 
Newsgroups: alt.censorship,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.german
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Christian Bau wrote:
> ...
> 
> Ask any German: In Germany, you have the right of free speech. In Germany,
> you dont have the right to spread nazi propaganda. These two things have
> nothing, absolutely nothing to do with each other.


I can think of no more perfect example of Orwellian doublethink than 
this.

In Germany, you have the right to free speech, as long as it is speech 
that the (occupation) government approves of.

Happy September,

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From ka_strom@ix.netcom.com Fri Sep  6 07:23:22 PDT 1996
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Shriker wrote:
> ...
> 
> Well, I see why you got in trouble for that commentary, my friend.  If
> you want to do a story about "Jewish Media Conspiracy", write one and
> try to get it published as one.
> 


I, of course, am not the author of the piece I posted. It was written by 
Jack Killey.



> But if you are asking the legitimate and somewhat relevant question about
> religious balance in the cabinet and its possible effect on U.S. foreign
> policy, questions that are not often asked in the media for various
> reasons, then try not to demolish your credibility by dropping in a
> non-credible conspiracy theory at the end.  That only identifies you,
> wrongly or not, as an anti-semite with a megaphone. So far, I have to
> agree with your detractors on this one.
> 


The fact that Jews are wildly overrepresented in the news and 
entertainment media is widely acknowledged, even by Jews. The fact that 
the roughly 2000 per cent. overrepresentation of Jews among Clinton 
appointees was not an issue in the media makes it legitimate to ask if 
these Jews in the media are pursuing their own agenda at our expense.



....
> 
> Your problems with Jerry and the Jewish community of Omaha


Omaha? Did you actually read the article?


> stems from
> your attack on them in print.  This is a natural reaction from any group,
> especially a paranoid minority group whose leaders are Holocaust
> survivors.  American society does not tolerate people who target
> any ethnic or religious groups for attack, so you were out of line as a
> journalist with standards to uphold.
> 


Your idea that "attacks" on _any_ ethnic or religious groups are "out of 
line" in America is laughable. And secondly, why does pointing out the 
power centers of a powerful group, with documented and verifable facts, 
as Jack Killey did with Clinton's Jewish appointees, constitute an 
"attack"? Expose or revelation would be better word choices.



....
> 
> So you are saying essentially, "Look what they did to me; they are such
> bad people"  But the truth is, you _wanted_ to tweak them, bait them
> and get a reaction from them.  And so you did, and attracted the
> attention of some very determined defenders of their community.
> Actually, I am kind of proud of them, because they were not complacent
> when it comes to threats to their community.  Maybe some people _can_
> learn from history.
> 
> Shriker.


I will agree to the extent that I wish Whites had the racial solidarity 
evidenced by Jews. But I disagree if you mean that Whites ought to use 
censorship and cover-up as techniques for our advancement.

With all good wishes,


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From ka_strom@ix.netcom.com Fri Sep  6 07:48:07 PDT 1996
Article: 42118 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: Kevin Alfred Strom 
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Subject: Re: "Aryan " mummies (was Re: Whites Created Everything
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One way to explore the racial characteristics of the Egyptians is to 
examine their excellent and quite naturalistic artwork in which they 
portray themselves and members of other nations and races.

In wall paintings, Egyptian women, girls, and children are typically 
portrayed as having light skin and Caucasian features, including 
relatively straight facial angles and narrow straight noses. Egyptian men 
usually have Caucasian features and bronze-colored skin, as do most White 
people who work in the sun all day, including Norwegians.

Assyrians are portrayed with similar coloration to Egyptians, but with 
distinctly different nose-forms that many would call typically Semitic.

Blacks are portrayed with black or nearly-black skin and kinky hair.

It is true that some portraits of Egyptians show partially Negroid 
characteristics, undoubtedly due to racial mixing. Many of these 
individuals look strikingly like modern Egyptians, Anwar Sadat being a 
well-known example.

With best wishes for a happy September,

-- 


Kevin Alfred Strom

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From ka_strom@ix.netcom.com Fri Sep  6 07:48:09 PDT 1996
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From: Kevin Alfred Strom 
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Subject: Re: Luminance, Chrominance, and Genocide
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Andy Walton wrote:
> 
> In article <3227ED18.457B@ix.netcom.com>, Kevin Alfred Strom
>  wrote:
> 
>   :Of course, in this reference to color I was not talking about skin color
>   :at all. I was talking about the absurdity of denying the reality of
>   :biological race (or any category of things without "hard-edged"
>   :boundaries) just because its definitional boundaries are subject to some
>   :dispute.
> 
> But when you turn a vague category into a legals standard, the boundaries
> become all-important. We can all reach a vague consensus on whay colors
> are "blue," but if you are going to jail people who wear blue, then the
> lines between blue ans green and between blue and violet need to be
> precisely defined.
> 


Something like the way current American laws define "intent" or 
"compelling interest" or "premeditated" or "pornography"? Many legal 
terms are open to various interpretations. That's why the shysters earn 
$250 per hour. If you know a way around this problem, please enlighten 
me. The definitional problems are real, but do not persuade me that we 
should drop "premeditated murder" as a category of crime.

I have stated repeatedly that, in my opinion, self-description and a 
pledge to support the survival and advancement of our race ought to be 
all that is needed for residence in a future White state.



>   :Also, if you look at the long-term picture, virtually all species are
>   :"geographic" and "temporary," and even "arbitrary" not only in the space
>   :dimensions but also in the time dimension. (Could _homo erectus_ have
>   :produced viable and fertile offspring with _homo neanderthalis_? Where is
>   :the "boundary" between these two species?) None of this changes the fact
>   :that water with a current of 100 knots and a temperature of 33 degrees F.
>   :must be dealt with somewhat differently than the water in your daughter's
>   :wading pool, and it is useful to have different names to convey the
>   :differences.
> 
> But if you're going to legally define categories, you need precise
> boundaries. The boundaries of any given body of water are precisely
> deliniated, by law or by treaty. The National Weather Service issues small
> craft advisories based on specific criteria. The steps between a category
> 1 and category 5 hurricane are clearly defined.
> 
> You and I may be able to look at a given person, call that person by one
> race or another, and agree 99% of the time. That's not good enough for a
> legal standard. If you would like to treat non-whites differently in the
> eyes of the law -- the moral implications of that very idea aside -- your
> terms must be clearly, objectively, and precisely defined, something white
> nationalists have been singularly unable to do.
> 


Of course, the existence of an all-White state would absolutely preclude 
the possibility of Whites treating non-Whites differently there. 
Multiracialists and members of non-White races would have their own 
societies and their own laws, where they would be completely free to find 
their own destinies in any way they are able.



> Otherwise, you are championing a society in which the only relevant
> standard is "you know what we mean," and the basis of the law is "trust
> us." With such vague definitions, the person doing the classifying is
> all-powerful. In the absence of clear standards, you are championing rule
> of men, not of law.
> 



The philosophical and practical problem of men not adhering to their 
professed laws, constitutions, or principles, and covertly or openly 
abandoning the same with the intention of following a special interest or 
private agenda is a perennial one. Are you claiming that this problem 
does not exist now or that it would be unique to a White separatist 
state?

The fact that you state above that you and I (!) might agree 99 per cent. 
of the time on racial classifications indicates to me that the 
definitional problem is a minor one, and that real disagreements on that 
subject would be far less ubiquitous than, say, current debate on whether 
or not human life begins at conception.

Even if we accept the most inclusive definition imaginable and build a 
new society on that basis, we will have made a huge and necessary step 
forward from any White separatist's point of view.

With all good wishes,

-- 


Kevin Alfred Strom

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From: Kevin Alfred Strom 
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Subject: Re: Luminance, Chrominance, and Genocide
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Andy Walton wrote:
> 
> In article <3227ED18.457B@ix.netcom.com>, Kevin Alfred Strom
>  wrote:
> 
>   :Of course, in this reference to color I was not talking about skin color
>   :at all. I was talking about the absurdity of denying the reality of
>   :biological race (or any category of things without "hard-edged"
>   :boundaries) just because its definitional boundaries are subject to some
>   :dispute.
> 
> But when you turn a vague category into a legals standard, the boundaries
> become all-important. We can all reach a vague consensus on whay colors
> are "blue," but if you are going to jail people who wear blue, then the
> lines between blue ans green and between blue and violet need to be
> precisely defined.
> 


Something like the way current American laws define "intent" or 
"compelling interest" or "premeditated" or "pornography"? Many legal 
terms are open to various interpretations. That's why the shysters earn 
$250 per hour. If you know a way around this problem, please enlighten 
me. The definitional problems are real, but do not persuade me that we 
should drop "premeditated murder" as a category of crime.

I have stated repeatedly that, in my opinion, self-description and a 
pledge to support the survival and advancement of our race ought to be 
all that is needed for residence in a future White state.



>   :Also, if you look at the long-term picture, virtually all species are
>   :"geographic" and "temporary," and even "arbitrary" not only in the space
>   :dimensions but also in the time dimension. (Could _homo erectus_ have
>   :produced viable and fertile offspring with _homo neanderthalis_? Where is
>   :the "boundary" between these two species?) None of this changes the fact
>   :that water with a current of 100 knots and a temperature of 33 degrees F.
>   :must be dealt with somewhat differently than the water in your daughter's
>   :wading pool, and it is useful to have different names to convey the
>   :differences.
> 
> But if you're going to legally define categories, you need precise
> boundaries. The boundaries of any given body of water are precisely
> deliniated, by law or by treaty. The National Weather Service issues small
> craft advisories based on specific criteria. The steps between a category
> 1 and category 5 hurricane are clearly defined.
> 
> You and I may be able to look at a given person, call that person by one
> race or another, and agree 99% of the time. That's not good enough for a
> legal standard. If you would like to treat non-whites differently in the
> eyes of the law -- the moral implications of that very idea aside -- your
> terms must be clearly, objectively, and precisely defined, something white
> nationalists have been singularly unable to do.
> 


Of course, the existence of an all-White state would absolutely preclude 
the possibility of Whites treating non-Whites differently there. 
Multiracialists and members of non-White races would have their own 
societies and their own laws, where they would be completely free to find 
their own destinies in any way they are able.



> Otherwise, you are championing a society in which the only relevant
> standard is "you know what we mean," and the basis of the law is "trust
> us." With such vague definitions, the person doing the classifying is
> all-powerful. In the absence of clear standards, you are championing rule
> of men, not of law.
> 



The philosophical and practical problem of men not adhering to their 
professed laws, constitutions, or principles, and covertly or openly 
abandoning the same with the intention of following a special interest or 
private agenda is a perennial one. Are you claiming that this problem 
does not exist now or that it would be unique to a White separatist 
state?

The fact that you state above that you and I (!) might agree 99 per cent. 
of the time on racial classifications indicates to me that the 
definitional problem is a minor one, and that real disagreements on that 
subject would be far less ubiquitous than, say, current debate on whether 
or not human life begins at conception.

Even if we accept the most inclusive definition imaginable and build a 
new society on that basis, we will have made a huge and necessary step 
forward from any White separatist's point of view.

With all good wishes,

-- 


Kevin Alfred Strom

-----------------------------------------------------------
      Resource list; not all are affiliated with me;
                  I speak only for myself:

                 Occupied America Homepage:
      http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/america/

     Information on Amateur Radio Operations on 3950 kHz:
            http://www.usaor.net/users/mckinney/

                The Finest in European Art:
      http://www.telecall.co.uk/~synergy/gframing/cat2.html

                   Patriotic Resistance:
                  http://www.natvan.com/
                  http://www.natall.com/


From ka_strom@ix.netcom.com Fri Sep  6 10:54:13 PDT 1996
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From: Kevin Alfred Strom 
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Subject: Re: Luminance, Chrominance, and Genocide
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Andy Walton wrote:
> 
> In article <3227ED18.457B@ix.netcom.com>, Kevin Alfred Strom
>  wrote:
> 
>   :Of course, in this reference to color I was not talking about skin color
>   :at all. I was talking about the absurdity of denying the reality of
>   :biological race (or any category of things without "hard-edged"
>   :boundaries) just because its definitional boundaries are subject to some
>   :dispute.
> 
> But when you turn a vague category into a legals standard, the boundaries
> become all-important. We can all reach a vague consensus on whay colors
> are "blue," but if you are going to jail people who wear blue, then the
> lines between blue ans green and between blue and violet need to be
> precisely defined.
> 


Something like the way current American laws define "intent" or 
"compelling interest" or "premeditated" or "pornography"? Many legal 
terms are open to various interpretations. That's why the shysters earn 
$250 per hour. If you know a way around this problem, please enlighten 
me. The definitional problems are real, but do not persuade me that we 
should drop "premeditated murder" as a category of crime.

I have stated repeatedly that, in my opinion, self-description and a 
pledge to support the survival and advancement of our race ought to be 
all that is needed for residence in a future White state.



>   :Also, if you look at the long-term picture, virtually all species are
>   :"geographic" and "temporary," and even "arbitrary" not only in the space
>   :dimensions but also in the time dimension. (Could _homo erectus_ have
>   :produced viable and fertile offspring with _homo neanderthalis_? Where is
>   :the "boundary" between these two species?) None of this changes the fact
>   :that water with a current of 100 knots and a temperature of 33 degrees F.
>   :must be dealt with somewhat differently than the water in your daughter's
>   :wading pool, and it is useful to have different names to convey the
>   :differences.
> 
> But if you're going to legally define categories, you need precise
> boundaries. The boundaries of any given body of water are precisely
> deliniated, by law or by treaty. The National Weather Service issues small
> craft advisories based on specific criteria. The steps between a category
> 1 and category 5 hurricane are clearly defined.
> 
> You and I may be able to look at a given person, call that person by one
> race or another, and agree 99% of the time. That's not good enough for a
> legal standard. If you would like to treat non-whites differently in the
> eyes of the law -- the moral implications of that very idea aside -- your
> terms must be clearly, objectively, and precisely defined, something white
> nationalists have been singularly unable to do.
> 


Of course, the existence of an all-White state would absolutely preclude 
the possibility of Whites treating non-Whites differently there. 
Multiracialists and members of non-White races would have their own 
societies and their own laws, where they would be completely free to find 
their own destinies in any way they are able.



> Otherwise, you are championing a society in which the only relevant
> standard is "you know what we mean," and the basis of the law is "trust
> us." With such vague definitions, the person doing the classifying is
> all-powerful. In the absence of clear standards, you are championing rule
> of men, not of law.
> 



The philosophical and practical problem of men not adhering to their 
professed laws, constitutions, or principles, and covertly or openly 
abandoning the same with the intention of following a special interest or 
private agenda is a perennial one. Are you claiming that this problem 
does not exist now or that it would be unique to a White separatist 
state?

The fact that you state above that you and I (!) might agree 99 per cent. 
of the time on racial classifications indicates to me that the 
definitional problem is a minor one, and that real disagreements on that 
subject would be far less ubiquitous than, say, current debate on whether 
or not human life begins at conception.

Even if we accept the most inclusive definition imaginable and build a 
new society on that basis, we will have made a huge and necessary step 
forward from any White separatist's point of view.

With all good wishes,

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From ka_strom@ix.netcom.com Sat Sep  7 11:31:30 PDT 1996
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Senator Joseph McCarthy's efforts were a very late and very limited 
effort to reverse the Revolution of 1933. Though McCarthy enjoyed a wide 
popularity, and his efforts did result in perhaps a few dozen of the many 
thousands of Communists and subversives being removed from their 
positions of influence in the United States, he was opposed by the 
political and media elites.

These elites actually constituted a part of, or had made their "deal" 
with, the iceberg of subversion of which Communism was the tip. So 
McCarthy had to be destroyed. And he was.

Read http://www.natvan.com/NATVAN/MCCART.HTML for Scott Speidel's 
analysis of the campaign against McCarthy.

For an overview of McCarthy's role in the larger issues of this century 
by Dr. Revilo Oliver (a Birch Society founder), read

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/america/ww.htm

and

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/america/ww2.htm

With all good wishes,



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From ka_strom@ix.netcom.com Tue Sep 10 07:18:44 PDT 1996
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Dave Harman OBC wrote:
> 
> In <322F67C9.207A@ix.netcom.com> Kevin Alfred Strom  writes:
> ...[on the subject of the word _Aryan_]
> !
> ! There is an hilarious "anti-racist" book in my local public library,
> ! intended for use by schoolteachers, which claims that the term was
> ! invented by an evil "nazi" named "Dr. Arius."
> 
> Which one is that?  No doubt authored by someone accredited for their
> field!  Well, politics is an example where lack of accredition is a
> good sign!
> ...


Next time I go online with my local library's system, I'll look up the 
reference.

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From ka_strom@ix.netcom.com Tue Sep 10 08:01:30 PDT 1996
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Laura Finsten wrote:
> ...
> 
> Are you suggesting that academia was unaffected by McCarthyism,
> Mr. Whitaker?  Or are you suggesting that McCarthyism was just
> another variety of liberalism?
> 
> "If I can't dance.....I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>           Emma Goldman


Perhaps in Canada McCarthy's partisans were seldom heard from, so your 
view of him is informed only by his enemies.

McCarthy's efforts were a very late and very limited effort to reverse 
the Revolution of 1933. Though McCarthy enjoyed a wide popularity, and 
his efforts did result in perhaps a few dozen of the many thousands of 
Communists and subversives being removed from positions of influence in 
the United States, he was opposed by the political and media elites.

These elites actually constituted a part of, or had made their "deal" 
with, the iceberg of subversion of which Communism was the tip. So 
McCarthy had to be destroyed. And he was.

Read http://www.natvan.com/NATVAN/MCCART.HTML for Scott Speidel's 
analysis of the campaign against Mccarthy.

For an overview of McCarthy's role in the larger issues of this century 
by Dr. Revilo Oliver, read

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/america/ww.htm

and

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/america/ww2.htm

With all good wishes,


-- 


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From ka_strom@ix.netcom.com Tue Sep 10 08:01:32 PDT 1996
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Laura Finsten wrote:
> 
> Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote:
> 
> >I have stated repeatedly that, in my opinion, self-description and a
> >pledge to support the survival and advancement of our race ought to be
> >all that is needed for residence in a future White state.
> 
> And for full rights of citizenship, Mr. Strom?  Would the pledge to
> "support the survival and advancement of [the "White"] race" entail
> agreement to limit the number of children or submit to sterilisation
> if one were not a member of the "White race", Mr. Strom?


If one were not a member of the White race, one would hardly want to live 
in a White racial state or be able to truthfully sign a statement 
describing one's self as White, would one?


>  I mean
> really, what if my "self-description" went something like this:  I think
> of myself as "white", but I am a member of a synogogue.  Or does
> belonging to a synogogue "not support the advancement of the "White race"?
....


If a synogogue is the same as a synagogue, certainly.

Happy equinox,

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Laura Finsten wrote:
> 
> Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote:
> 
> >I have stated repeatedly that, in my opinion, self-description and a
> >pledge to support the survival and advancement of our race ought to be
> >all that is needed for residence in a future White state.
> 
> And for full rights of citizenship, Mr. Strom?  Would the pledge to
> "support the survival and advancement of [the "White"] race" entail
> agreement to limit the number of children or submit to sterilisation
> if one were not a member of the "White race", Mr. Strom?


If one were not a member of the White race, one would hardly want to live 
in a White racial state or be able to truthfully sign a statement 
describing one's self as White, would one?


>  I mean
> really, what if my "self-description" went something like this:  I think
> of myself as "white", but I am a member of a synogogue.  Or does
> belonging to a synogogue "not support the advancement of the "White race"?
....


If a synogogue is the same as a synagogue, certainly.

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[Bob, it seems that I have now been called a "nazi" who wants to 
"exterminate" people, among many other things, though in this case the 
precise phrase "six million Jews" is absent.]

dckom wrote:
> 
> atticus@mindspring.com (Andy Walton) wrote:
> 
> >In article <321CD7A8.6B68@ix.netcom.com>, Kevin Alfred Strom
> > wrote:
> 
> >(snip)
> 
> >  :I am not a Catholic and I disagree with that church on many issues, but
> >  :the wanton slaughter of priests, nuns, and loyal parishoners by the
> >  :Communists in Spain -- and they were slaughtered in many cases merely
> >  :because they were priests or nuns -- is revolting beyond description.
> 
> >And the fascists were as innocent as lambs in this? Had German engineering
> >developed a bomb that could avoid killing priests when dropped on a
> >church? Did no clergy die in Guernica?
> 
> >The struggle between fascism and communism in Europe is a troublesome one,
> >at best. Anyone with the vaguest belief on democracy could only hope that
> >the sonsabitches would blow each other up, and rid the world of each
> >other. Unfortunately, this did not happen.
> 
> >The U.S. was forced to take a side against either fascism or communism.
> >The deciding factor was that the Germans bombed our allies. Had it turned
> >out the other way -- if Stalin had invaded Poland, Belgium, and France and
> >bombed England -- the U.S. would have allied with Hitler, and we may well
> >have seen a 50-year Cold War between Western and Easten blocs on very
> >different ideological terms.
> 
> >  :I suggest you read _The Red Domination in Spain_, Afrodisio Aguado,
> >  :Madrid, 1946. Page upon page upon page of photographs of the "loyalists"
> >  :and their often obscenely mutilated victims... the "loyalists"
> >  :desecrating churches... the abused bodies of the murdered churchmen...
> 
> >I suggest that you look at Picasso's "Guernica." The Spanish civil war was
> >one prolonged atrocity. Enumerating the atrocities committed by one side
> >does nothing to diminish the atrocities committed by the other.
> 
> Andy you seem both a decent and intelligent guy with no lack of
> intellectual courage. So I hope you don't take it ill when I ask why
> you would argue political morality with a Nazi? As to be expected of a
> fanactic, the Nazi views argument soley in terms of how it advances
> his/her particular brand of "truth". In the nazi this "truth"
> expresses itself as a lunatic racialism. The advance of this form of
> mental decay is to him/her an absolute good. All weapons, all methods
> of attack are justified if they advance the cause of biological
> dementia.
> I'll listen to arguments for religious tolerance from people who
> actually practice it. Not to ideological anti-semites who only weep
> crodile tears over the deaths of christians. That is, when they aren't
> in a position to physically exterminate them as in the case of
> Dietrich Bonhoffer. I won't bother to detail the butcher's bill from
> their pioneering efforts at ethnic cleansing. Besides, it is feature
> of their sociopathic world view that they consider such slaughters to
> be proper racial hygene.
>  As for Red Emma. She needs no interpreters. She spoke quiite
> eloquently and cogently for herself. She denied the legitimacy of the
> existing order and considered herself at war with it. The "powers that
> were"  returned the favor. To understand her reasons you need only
> read her books. Whatever her complicity in the attempted assasination
> of Frick, he himself was complicit in the murderous assault by armed
> Pinkertons on the Homestead strikers. Class war? I suppose so. What
> would you call it?
> As for bombs and bombings. Goldman was staunchly opposed this as
> indiscriminate terror. But she shed no tears for those she saw as
> nothing more than the hired assasins of the poor. One can disagree but
> that was her position. However, none of this requires us to lend
> credence to the cynical carpings of barnyard euginicists. One may as
> well argue ethics with a pathological liar of murderous intent.
> Besides, what is there to say to a person whose prefered form of
> argument is extermination other than bang, bang, bang?
> 
> Comrade Wally
> 
>         " Deported by God."
> -     -Alexander Berkman on the death of Henry Clay  Frick..
>    "We were once so close to heaven, Peter came out and gave us medals
> 
> >   declaring us the nicest of the damned."      --They Might Be Giants
> ...



Gee, Comrade Wally, with you to defend Red Emma, my writings seem almost 
superfluous. Please keep it up.

By the way, what _exactly_ do you mean by "bang, bang, bang"? Do you mean 
that I should be killed? It certainly seems that that is what you mean, 
since your entire message was about me and your telepathic revelations 
about my thought processes. There was no indication of a change of 
subject before you started hinting that I ought to be murdered.

It will be interesting to see if the ever-so-moral "anti-racists" will 
protest your public wish that I be killed as loudly as they criticize 
persons who believe that races exist, or even chastise you mildly for it.

For those who are interested in such things, "dckom@future.atlcom.net" 
also identifies himself (themselves?) as "dcac race traitor" and as 
"David Christian Local 834, IATSE" in messages 
<841855930.29239.0@lpm3-20.atlcom.net>  and
<842147882.19081.0@lpm4-29.atlcom.net>.

With happy equinox wishes to all,

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From ka_strom@ix.netcom.com Thu Sep 12 10:02:39 PDT 1996
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From: Kevin Alfred Strom 
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Subject: Re: Emma Goldman, special note to Bob Whitaker
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[Bob, it seems that I have now been called a "nazi" who wants to 
"exterminate" people, among many other things, though in this case the 
precise phrase "six million Jews" is absent.]

dckom wrote:
> 
> atticus@mindspring.com (Andy Walton) wrote:
> 
> >In article <321CD7A8.6B68@ix.netcom.com>, Kevin Alfred Strom
> > wrote:
> 
> >(snip)
> 
> >  :I am not a Catholic and I disagree with that church on many issues, but
> >  :the wanton slaughter of priests, nuns, and loyal parishoners by the
> >  :Communists in Spain -- and they were slaughtered in many cases merely
> >  :because they were priests or nuns -- is revolting beyond description.
> 
> >And the fascists were as innocent as lambs in this? Had German engineering
> >developed a bomb that could avoid killing priests when dropped on a
> >church? Did no clergy die in Guernica?
> 
> >The struggle between fascism and communism in Europe is a troublesome one,
> >at best. Anyone with the vaguest belief on democracy could only hope that
> >the sonsabitches would blow each other up, and rid the world of each
> >other. Unfortunately, this did not happen.
> 
> >The U.S. was forced to take a side against either fascism or communism.
> >The deciding factor was that the Germans bombed our allies. Had it turned
> >out the other way -- if Stalin had invaded Poland, Belgium, and France and
> >bombed England -- the U.S. would have allied with Hitler, and we may well
> >have seen a 50-year Cold War between Western and Easten blocs on very
> >different ideological terms.
> 
> >  :I suggest you read _The Red Domination in Spain_, Afrodisio Aguado,
> >  :Madrid, 1946. Page upon page upon page of photographs of the "loyalists"
> >  :and their often obscenely mutilated victims... the "loyalists"
> >  :desecrating churches... the abused bodies of the murdered churchmen...
> 
> >I suggest that you look at Picasso's "Guernica." The Spanish civil war was
> >one prolonged atrocity. Enumerating the atrocities committed by one side
> >does nothing to diminish the atrocities committed by the other.
> 
> Andy you seem both a decent and intelligent guy with no lack of
> intellectual courage. So I hope you don't take it ill when I ask why
> you would argue political morality with a Nazi? As to be expected of a
> fanactic, the Nazi views argument soley in terms of how it advances
> his/her particular brand of "truth". In the nazi this "truth"
> expresses itself as a lunatic racialism. The advance of this form of
> mental decay is to him/her an absolute good. All weapons, all methods
> of attack are justified if they advance the cause of biological
> dementia.
> I'll listen to arguments for religious tolerance from people who
> actually practice it. Not to ideological anti-semites who only weep
> crodile tears over the deaths of christians. That is, when they aren't
> in a position to physically exterminate them as in the case of
> Dietrich Bonhoffer. I won't bother to detail the butcher's bill from
> their pioneering efforts at ethnic cleansing. Besides, it is feature
> of their sociopathic world view that they consider such slaughters to
> be proper racial hygene.
>  As for Red Emma. She needs no interpreters. She spoke quiite
> eloquently and cogently for herself. She denied the legitimacy of the
> existing order and considered herself at war with it. The "powers that
> were"  returned the favor. To understand her reasons you need only
> read her books. Whatever her complicity in the attempted assasination
> of Frick, he himself was complicit in the murderous assault by armed
> Pinkertons on the Homestead strikers. Class war? I suppose so. What
> would you call it?
> As for bombs and bombings. Goldman was staunchly opposed this as
> indiscriminate terror. But she shed no tears for those she saw as
> nothing more than the hired assasins of the poor. One can disagree but
> that was her position. However, none of this requires us to lend
> credence to the cynical carpings of barnyard euginicists. One may as
> well argue ethics with a pathological liar of murderous intent.
> Besides, what is there to say to a person whose prefered form of
> argument is extermination other than bang, bang, bang?
> 
> Comrade Wally
> 
>         " Deported by God."
> -     -Alexander Berkman on the death of Henry Clay  Frick..
>    "We were once so close to heaven, Peter came out and gave us medals
> 
> >   declaring us the nicest of the damned."      --They Might Be Giants
> ...



Gee, Comrade Wally, with you to defend Red Emma, my writings seem almost 
superfluous. Please keep it up.

By the way, what _exactly_ do you mean by "bang, bang, bang"? Do you mean 
that I should be killed? It certainly seems that that is what you mean, 
since your entire message was about me and your telepathic revelations 
about my thought processes. There was no indication of a change of 
subject before you started hinting that I ought to be murdered.

It will be interesting to see if the ever-so-moral "anti-racists" will 
protest your public wish that I be killed as loudly as they criticize 
persons who believe that races exist, or even chastise you mildly for it.

For those who are interested in such things, "dckom@future.atlcom.net" 
also identifies himself (themselves?) as "dcac race traitor" and as 
"David Christian Local 834, IATSE" in messages 
<841855930.29239.0@lpm3-20.atlcom.net>  and
<842147882.19081.0@lpm4-29.atlcom.net>.

With happy equinox wishes to all,

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From ka_strom@ix.netcom.com Fri Sep 13 09:38:16 PDT 1996
Article: 64997 of alt.revisionism
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From: Kevin Alfred Strom 
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Bob:

I am reminded by your article of what Revilo Oliver said a few years ago.

He was, as you know, a college professor, and was talking one night with 
a few of his colleagues when one of the more "progressive" among them 
began to wax eloquent about the future "planned economy" based on "social 
good" instead of wicked profits. (This was during the period when it was 
desired to wrest property and power away from certain Old American 
elements in this country by using a false "socialism" as sucker-bait and 
battering-ram. Subsequent events have largely though not entirely 
obviated this approach.)

When asked just what constituted "social good," this man replied:

"Social good is _whatever we tell them it is_."

And that just about sums it up.

With happy equinox wishes,

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Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:
> 
> Dave Harman OBC wrote:
> >
> > In <322F67C9.207A@ix.netcom.com> Kevin Alfred Strom  writes:
> > ...[on the subject of the word _Aryan_]
> > !
> > ! There is an hilarious "anti-racist" book in my local public library,
> > ! intended for use by schoolteachers, which claims that the term was
> > ! invented by an evil "nazi" named "Dr. Arius."
> >
> > Which one is that?  No doubt authored by someone accredited for their
> > field!  Well, politics is an example where lack of accredition is a
> > good sign!
> > ...
> 
> Next time I go online with my local library's system, I'll look up the
> reference.
> ...

....Which I just did. Here is the data on the book:

AUTHOR: Larson, Bart.
	
TITLE: Gangs in America / by BartLarson and Wendell Amstutz
; layout and cover photograph by Bart Larson.
OTHER TITLE: A user-friendly handbook on gangs in America.
PUBLISHED: Rochstr, Mn. : National CounselingResource
Center, c1993.
PAGING: 128 p. : ill. ; 29 cm.

NOTES: Cover title: A user-friendly handbook on gangs in



1.    CALL NUMBER: 302.34 L329g -- NONFICTION -- Checked out/Lost
2.    CALL NUMBER: 302.34 L329g -- NONFICTION -- Available


I have reserved the book and will provide the hilarious excerpt soon!

Happy equinox,


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From ka_strom@ix.netcom.com Fri Sep 13 10:17:58 PDT 1996
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From: Kevin Alfred Strom 
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Subject: Re: THE PC ATTITUDE AND THE "OFFICIAL JEWISH ATTITUDE"
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Laura Finsten wrote:
> 
> Well, Mr. Whitaker, are Jews "White" or aren't they?
> 
> "If I can't dance..... I don't want to be part of your
> revolution."
>      Emma Goldman


Jews are a peculiar hybrid people, and in practical fact can be any one 
of many different racial mixes. That they have group tendencies and 
characteristics (like susceptibility to certain diseases) does show some 
degree of racial kinship between Jews who, to our eyes, appear to be of 
divergent racial stocks.

Is it not natural that, living as aliens in many lands, such a people 
would try to break down the normal kinship-based societal structures of 
their hosts? Is it not natural that they would promote "religious" and 
pseudo-scientific justifications for a new moral paradigm in which 
"racism" is the ultimate evil? It may be that such behavior is not 
entirely at the conscious level.

Some Jews have renounced this hypocritical mode of survival, and exposed 
it for all to see. See:

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/america/freedmn1.htm

and

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/america/shahak.htm

The closest analogue to the Jewish people is the Gypsies, who look 
approximately White in many cases in Europe, but quite different 
elsewhere, and who maintain a kind of unity despite this. Their predation 
is of a different kind, and on a much lower and more benign level.

Happy Autumnal Equinox,

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Andy Walton wrote:
> 
> In article <32352867.6A72@ix.netcom.com>, Kevin Alfred Strom
>  wrote:
> 
>   :Laura Finsten wrote:
>   :>
>   :> Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote:
>   :> >I have stated repeatedly that, in my opinion, self-description and a
>   :> >pledge to support the survival and advancement of our race ought to be
>   :> >all that is needed for residence in a future White state.
>   :>
>   :> And for full rights of citizenship, Mr. Strom?  Would the pledge to
>   :> "support the survival and advancement of [the "White"] race" entail
>   :> agreement to limit the number of children or submit to sterilisation
>   :> if one were not a member of the "White race", Mr. Strom?
>   :
>   :If one were not a member of the White race, one would hardly want to live
>   :in a White racial state or be able to truthfully sign a statement
>   :describing one's self as White, would one?
> 
> Again, this relies on a clear definition of white, which you have
> repeatedly failed to provide.


That's not really fair. I have given my definition at 
<31AF683B.616@ix.netcom.com> and <321E31D6.6685@ix.netcom.com>, and it is 
in general accord with the common understanding of the term and with some 
attempts at subspecific categorization of humans that have been made.



> If someone with one white and three black
> grandparents self-identifies as "white," he's in, right? And he could
> certainly, with a clear conscience, pledge to support the advancement of
> the "white race" of which he feels himself a part.
> 


Clearly such a person would be of predominantly African descent, perhaps 
even more so than the average Black in America.

Even you have speculated that you and I (!) might agree 99 per cent. of 
the time on this "who is White" issue, which is a far greater degree of 
certainty than that which surrounds some other legal issues.

In fact, the current regime in occupied Washington makes many legal 
determinations based on perceived race or racial self-description. A few 
that I can think of are contract "set-asides," "EEO," "Affirmative 
Action," gerrymandering of political districts, and racial preferences in 
broadcast licensing. There are many serious problems with these programs 
and activities, but racial definition is not one of them.

If the incompetents in the Washington zoo can get their system to 
function, who couldn't?



> If you're going to override that self-identification, there must be some
> standard, right? This is coming back to the "I know it when I see it.
> Trust me."
> argument again, isn't it?
> 


Not really. I suppose the 1 per cent. of questionable or clearly kook 
cases could just be ignored with little harm to the Republic, but most 
likely they would be decided by the court system, just as all legal 
issues are decided in most nations.



> And since you resort to spelling flames below, it's "oneself," not "one's self".
> 


You are quite wrong. "One's self" is perfectly proper, and is the 
non-contracted form of "oneself" which is also proper though I do not 
prefer it.

Secondly, what I did cannot by any stretch of even Rich Grave's 
imagination be called a "flame." I did not even correct Miss Finsten, and 
left open the possibility that her word might have a special meaning 
unknown to me.



>   :>  I mean
>   :> really, what if my "self-description" went something like this:  I think
>   :> of myself as "white", but I am a member of a synogogue.  Or does
>   :> belonging to a synogogue "not support the advancement of the "White race"?
>   :
>   :If a synogogue is the same as a synagogue, certainly.
> 
> How so? Could it be that you're introducing another out to allow yourself
> to be as arbitrary as you wish? If you're forced to adopt a clear standard
> for whiteness, you've still got the out of declaring any behavior you
> don't like to be detrimental to the white race.
> ...


All nations have behavioral standards.

I personally would prefer to watch the birds, read the Victorian poets, 
keep up with science and philosophy, and be with my family; and have no 
desire to be a ruler of men, arbitrary or otherwise. The impending 
genocide of my people impels my defensive and preventative actions.

With best wishes for a happy equinox,

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Philip Kasiecki wrote:
> ...
> Yes, there are races, but not within humans.  "Race" among
> humans is an artificial social construct.  It has *no* biological basis.
> ...


I see. So the racial differences between the Emperor of Japan and an 
Australoid, some of which are observable at 300 paces and which are far 
greater than the differences between many subspecies of animals, are "an 
artificial social construct." Amazing.

And these differences have _no_ biological basis, though they are clearly 
inheritable and vary geographically in exactly the same manner as do 
differences between subspecies of other animals. Doubly amazing.

I submit that human racial differences are an observable, verifiable, and 
increasingly measurable phenomenon of Nature; and that the insane 
ideology du jour which proclaims that races do not exist is "an 
artificial social construct."

With happy equinox wishes,


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From ka_strom@ix.netcom.com Fri Sep 13 10:19:06 PDT 1996
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From: Kevin Alfred Strom 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.skinheads,alt.discrimination
Subject: Re: Luminance, Chrominance, and Genocide
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Andy Walton wrote:
> 
> In article <32352867.6A72@ix.netcom.com>, Kevin Alfred Strom
>  wrote:
> 
>   :Laura Finsten wrote:
>   :>
>   :> Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote:
>   :> >I have stated repeatedly that, in my opinion, self-description and a
>   :> >pledge to support the survival and advancement of our race ought to be
>   :> >all that is needed for residence in a future White state.
>   :>
>   :> And for full rights of citizenship, Mr. Strom?  Would the pledge to
>   :> "support the survival and advancement of [the "White"] race" entail
>   :> agreement to limit the number of children or submit to sterilisation
>   :> if one were not a member of the "White race", Mr. Strom?
>   :
>   :If one were not a member of the White race, one would hardly want to live
>   :in a White racial state or be able to truthfully sign a statement
>   :describing one's self as White, would one?
> 
> Again, this relies on a clear definition of white, which you have
> repeatedly failed to provide.


That's not really fair. I have given my definition at 
<31AF683B.616@ix.netcom.com> and <321E31D6.6685@ix.netcom.com>, and it is 
in general accord with the common understanding of the term and with some 
attempts at subspecific categorization of humans that have been made.



> If someone with one white and three black
> grandparents self-identifies as "white," he's in, right? And he could
> certainly, with a clear conscience, pledge to support the advancement of
> the "white race" of which he feels himself a part.
> 


Clearly such a person would be of predominantly African descent, perhaps 
even more so than the average Black in America.

Even you have speculated that you and I (!) might agree 99 per cent. of 
the time on this "who is White" issue, which is a far greater degree of 
certainty than that which surrounds some other legal issues.

In fact, the current regime in occupied Washington makes many legal 
determinations based on perceived race or racial self-description. A few 
that I can think of are contract "set-asides," "EEO," "Affirmative 
Action," gerrymandering of political districts, and racial preferences in 
broadcast licensing. There are many serious problems with these programs 
and activities, but racial definition is not one of them.

If the incompetents in the Washington zoo can get their system to 
function, who couldn't?



> If you're going to override that self-identification, there must be some
> standard, right? This is coming back to the "I know it when I see it.
> Trust me."
> argument again, isn't it?
> 


Not really. I suppose the 1 per cent. of questionable or clearly kook 
cases could just be ignored with little harm to the Republic, but most 
likely they would be decided by the court system, just as all legal 
issues are decided in most nations.



> And since you resort to spelling flames below, it's "oneself," not "one's self".
> 


You are quite wrong. "One's self" is perfectly proper, and is the 
non-contracted form of "oneself" which is also proper though I do not 
prefer it.

Secondly, what I did cannot by any stretch of even Rich Grave's 
imagination be called a "flame." I did not even correct Miss Finsten, and 
left open the possibility that her word might have a special meaning 
unknown to me.



>   :>  I mean
>   :> really, what if my "self-description" went something like this:  I think
>   :> of myself as "white", but I am a member of a synogogue.  Or does
>   :> belonging to a synogogue "not support the advancement of the "White race"?
>   :
>   :If a synogogue is the same as a synagogue, certainly.
> 
> How so? Could it be that you're introducing another out to allow yourself
> to be as arbitrary as you wish? If you're forced to adopt a clear standard
> for whiteness, you've still got the out of declaring any behavior you
> don't like to be detrimental to the white race.
> ...


All nations have behavioral standards.

I personally would prefer to watch the birds, read the Victorian poets, 
keep up with science and philosophy, and be with my family; and have no 
desire to be a ruler of men, arbitrary or otherwise. The impending 
genocide of my people impels my defensive and preventative actions.

With best wishes for a happy equinox,

-- 


Kevin Alfred Strom

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From ka_strom@ix.netcom.com Fri Sep 13 10:52:42 PDT 1996
Article: 53379 of alt.discrimination
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From: Kevin Alfred Strom 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.discrimination
Subject: Re: THE PC ATTITUDE AND THE "OFFICIAL JEWISH ATTITUDE"
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Laura Finsten wrote:
> 
> Well, Mr. Whitaker, are Jews "White" or aren't they?
> 
> "If I can't dance..... I don't want to be part of your
> revolution."
>      Emma Goldman


Jews are a peculiar hybrid people, and in practical fact can be any one 
of many different racial mixes. That they have group tendencies and 
characteristics (like susceptibility to certain diseases) does show some 
degree of racial kinship between Jews who, to our eyes, appear to be of 
divergent racial stocks.

Is it not natural that, living as aliens in many lands, such a people 
would try to break down the normal kinship-based societal structures of 
their hosts? Is it not natural that they would promote "religious" and 
pseudo-scientific justifications for a new moral paradigm in which 
"racism" is the ultimate evil? It may be that such behavior is not 
entirely at the conscious level.

Some Jews have renounced this hypocritical mode of survival, and exposed 
it for all to see. See:

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/america/freedmn1.htm

and

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/america/shahak.htm

The closest analogue to the Jewish people is the Gypsies, who look 
approximately White in many cases in Europe, but quite different 
elsewhere, and who maintain a kind of unity despite this. Their predation 
is of a different kind, and on a much lower and more benign level.

Happy Autumnal Equinox,

-- 


Kevin Alfred Strom

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From: Kevin Alfred Strom 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.skinheads,alt.discrimination
Subject: Re: Luminance, Chrominance, and Genocide
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Andy Walton wrote:
> 
> In article <32352867.6A72@ix.netcom.com>, Kevin Alfred Strom
>  wrote:
> 
>   :Laura Finsten wrote:
>   :>
>   :> Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote:
>   :> >I have stated repeatedly that, in my opinion, self-description and a
>   :> >pledge to support the survival and advancement of our race ought to be
>   :> >all that is needed for residence in a future White state.
>   :>
>   :> And for full rights of citizenship, Mr. Strom?  Would the pledge to
>   :> "support the survival and advancement of [the "White"] race" entail
>   :> agreement to limit the number of children or submit to sterilisation
>   :> if one were not a member of the "White race", Mr. Strom?
>   :
>   :If one were not a member of the White race, one would hardly want to live
>   :in a White racial state or be able to truthfully sign a statement
>   :describing one's self as White, would one?
> 
> Again, this relies on a clear definition of white, which you have
> repeatedly failed to provide.


That's not really fair. I have given my definition at 
<31AF683B.616@ix.netcom.com> and <321E31D6.6685@ix.netcom.com>, and it is 
in general accord with the common understanding of the term and with some 
attempts at subspecific categorization of humans that have been made.



> If someone with one white and three black
> grandparents self-identifies as "white," he's in, right? And he could
> certainly, with a clear conscience, pledge to support the advancement of
> the "white race" of which he feels himself a part.
> 


Clearly such a person would be of predominantly African descent, perhaps 
even more so than the average Black in America.

Even you have speculated that you and I (!) might agree 99 per cent. of 
the time on this "who is White" issue, which is a far greater degree of 
certainty than that which surrounds some other legal issues.

In fact, the current regime in occupied Washington makes many legal 
determinations based on perceived race or racial self-description. A few 
that I can think of are contract "set-asides," "EEO," "Affirmative 
Action," gerrymandering of political districts, and racial preferences in 
broadcast licensing. There are many serious problems with these programs 
and activities, but racial definition is not one of them.

If the incompetents in the Washington zoo can get their system to 
function, who couldn't?



> If you're going to override that self-identification, there must be some
> standard, right? This is coming back to the "I know it when I see it.
> Trust me."
> argument again, isn't it?
> 


Not really. I suppose the 1 per cent. of questionable or clearly kook 
cases could just be ignored with little harm to the Republic, but most 
likely they would be decided by the court system, just as all legal 
issues are decided in most nations.



> And since you resort to spelling flames below, it's "oneself," not "one's self".
> 


You are quite wrong. "One's self" is perfectly proper, and is the 
non-contracted form of "oneself" which is also proper though I do not 
prefer it.

Secondly, what I did cannot by any stretch of even Rich Grave's 
imagination be called a "flame." I did not even correct Miss Finsten, and 
left open the possibility that her word might have a special meaning 
unknown to me.



>   :>  I mean
>   :> really, what if my "self-description" went something like this:  I think
>   :> of myself as "white", but I am a member of a synogogue.  Or does
>   :> belonging to a synogogue "not support the advancement of the "White race"?
>   :
>   :If a synogogue is the same as a synagogue, certainly.
> 
> How so? Could it be that you're introducing another out to allow yourself
> to be as arbitrary as you wish? If you're forced to adopt a clear standard
> for whiteness, you've still got the out of declaring any behavior you
> don't like to be detrimental to the white race.
> ...


All nations have behavioral standards.

I personally would prefer to watch the birds, read the Victorian poets, 
keep up with science and philosophy, and be with my family; and have no 
desire to be a ruler of men, arbitrary or otherwise. The impending 
genocide of my people impels my defensive and preventative actions.

With best wishes for a happy equinox,

-- 


Kevin Alfred Strom

-----------------------------------------------------------
      Resource list; not all are affiliated with me;
                  I speak only for myself:

                 Occupied America Homepage:
      http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/america/

     Information on Amateur Radio Operations on 3950 kHz:
            http://www.usaor.net/users/mckinney/

                The Finest in European Art:
      http://www.telecall.co.uk/~synergy/gframing/cat2.html

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                  http://www.natall.com/


From ka_strom@ix.netcom.com Fri Sep 13 16:24:27 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: My Story
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Michael Couillard wrote:
> 
> I have sat for many hours reading over some of the letters that people
> have written and I feel that I need to give you a little background on
> myself before I tell you all what I think.
>         I am an 18 year old College Freshman who has grown up and still lives
> about 2 miles from East Los Angeles, California in this hell hole they
> call Bell Gardens.  I am the oldest of two boys and my parents are still
> together.  I was one of only 3 graduating caucasion's of Bell Gardens
> High School in the class of 1996, the only white person on the wrestling
> team (Varsity Captain), only white person in the Lancer Scroll (school
> paper, page editor), and the only white person in any of the local
> sports teams that I played in (in which I excelled in all of them).I am
> not a big boy.  I wrestled at 119lbs and now weigh about 140.  I am only
> 5ft 7in so I have taken my share of ass woopings both on and off the
> playing field
>         Life has never been easy "Surviving the Gardens" as my friends put it.
> I have watched guys being shot, beaten, stabbed, and even witnessed one
> guy sick 3 dogs on another.  We don't live in Mayberry here.  We don't
> leave our doors unlocked, we never leave the gate open, and we NEVER,
> EVER go out after dark.  A white family around here just doesn't make it
> outside after dark.  I've been jumped by gangbangers, cholos, guys from
> other neighborhoods, bums, thieves, racist hispanics, racist blacks, and
> once by a group of about 12 teenage girl gangsters.  I've been shot at,
> hit by a car on purpose, chased until my feet were blistered, and I
> still receive hate calls on a nightly basis ( cant change phone number,
> family has had this number for over 25 years).  Like I said, I've taken
> my fair share of ass woopings and then some.
>         My father is a crack head and my mother is a paranoid schysofrinic (is
> that how you spell it?)  Needless to say I was kicked out of the house
> by my junior year.  I don't think that many people realize what it feels
> like to be a teenager living on the street (in a minority community at
> that).  I worked my ass off to get enough money together so that I could
> get a place of my own and I was able to attend school during the day for
> almost the entire first semester of my senior year.  After that the
> money dried up and I had to start working two jobs again.  That means
> that I was juggling two jobs, night school, and still had to check on my
> bro all the time to make sure he was OK.  He wrestled also so I gave him
> a lot of my earnings to pay for all of his expenses (and I still do).
> Nobody thought I would graduate High School, let alone graduate with the
> honors that I did.  I was elected Boys State Delegate my junior year,
> which was probably my biggest honor.  Anyway, to make a long story
> short, high school was a bitch for me.
>         I have a girlfriend right now.  She is the same girl that I have had
> since the summer of my junior year.  She is absolutely perfect.  I am
> not the best looking guy in the world by any means but being the Captain
> of your High School Wrestling team attracts a descent amount of girls.
> Well that is how I met her.  She used to come to my matches and once
> told one of my cheerleader friends that she would die if I asked her
> out.  So I did and we have been together ever since.  Like I said she is
> perfect.  She graduated number 3 in the class (out of about 2500),she
> was a model in the Senior fashion show (obviously I am not the only one
> who thinks she is georgeous), she is attending UCLA right now with a
> major in BioChemistry, and best of all she has stuck with me through all
> of my trials and tribulations.  She's been there for me when I was out
> on the street and when I didn't have money for anything but beans and
> rice, let alone extra money to take her on a date.  She never
> complained.  All she ever did was brag to all her friends about how much
> of a man I was, taking care of my bro and finishing school.  If not for
> her support as well as that of my other close friends I would have never
> been able to "Survive the Gardens".
>         I live by a verse in the Bible, although I no longer believe in
> religeon.  The verse is as follows: "Yea though I walk through the
> valley of the shadow of death I fear no Evil".  That is the kind of mind
> that a white boy has to have in the Gardens.  I had to make myself look
> like I feared nobody anytime and it worked.  There were times when I had
> a group of guys come up to me and I would just jump on the biggest one,
> screaming of how I was going to kill him and kicking the shit out of him
> until the others thought I was crazy and would take off.  I never
> believed in carrying weapons so my only weapon was my brain, and I used
> it well.  I still have to walk broad shouldered and mad dog everyone who
> looks at me twice, but it isn't nearly as bad as it was in High Scoo..
>         I graduated with a 3.8 GPA and a buttload of extra cirricular
> activities but was offered no shcolarships or financial aid other than
> loans.  The reason for this: my father makes too much money (although it
> all goes up his nose), and I am white.  If I were hispanic or black then
> I would for sure be going to a top 20 university on a full ride.  It
> must be nice to have Affirmitive Action if you are a minority.
> Therefore I am currently WORKING my way through Community College with a
> major in Computer Programming.  I plan on transfering to UCLA where I
> will spend the rest of my college years with my high school sweetheart.
>         Now for the reason that I am telling all of you my story.  Please
> realize I have condensed it tremendously.  There is no way that a person
> that has seen what I have seen can just write it all down at once.  I am
> not bragging at all by this post (except of course some of my high
> school achievments).  There is a reason to all of this and it is as
> follows:
>         With all of the SHIT that I have had to go through people would expect
> me to be a very prejudiced guy.  After all, that is all I face on a day
> to day basis.  I'm not prejudiced! I haven't said the "N" word since I
> was 11 and I have NEVER said a derogatory remark to a hispanic person
> about his or her heritage.  I simply don't believe in keeping a vicious
> cycle like this going.  You fucking red necks are all sitting on your
> high horses in your nice little Brady Bunch homes in your little fucking
> Mayberry towns and all you can do is blame minorities for all of the
> problems of the world.  I have seen a lot of asshole minorities who have
> done a lot of fucked up things but in general, the perscentage of rotten
> minorities is the same as the percentage of rotten white people.  Almost
> all of my friends are hispanic, and I would trust each one of them with
> my life.  My girlfriend is also Hispanic and I plan on marrying this
> girl in another year, although we now have to sneak around her parents
> because they don't approve of me due to my skin color.  I am telling you
> fucking rednecks this so that you can see where I come from before I
> start bombing away.
>         All you fucking people can do is sit around and blame your miserable
> lives on people who you have never even fucking met.  You are the one's
> that I am prejudiced against.  It's you, my own fucking people.  You are
> the one's who don't have the balls to go out there and "Seize the day",
> but instead blame your fucking laziness on the people who are going out
> and trying to make something of themselves.  Have you fucking people
> ever seen a 40 year old hispanic woman's face when she just turned a
> U.S. Citizen?? It is probably the greatest thing I have ever witnessed.
> While you assholes are out there cheating on your taxes and stealing
> shit from work, these people are struggling to find a better life here.
>         What I am saying in short is that you have no fucking right calling
> someone derogatory names based on their skin color.  But this is just
> the begining you ignorent bastards! You also have no right blaming them
> for your sorry, pitiful fucking lives.  I challenge you all to take a
> good hard look at yourselves and evaluate your position on this whole
> white power bullshit.  I know what I'm talking about because I AM A
> WHITE BOY!  It disgusts me to read the filthy garbage that comes into
> this newsgroup but I force myself so that I remember what I DON"T ever
> want to become.
>         Please excuse the poor grammar and spelling in this note but it is 2:30
> in the morning and there is no way in hell I am proof reading it.  I
> would really appreciate it if someone knows how to cross post this
> message into other hate newsgroups because I sure don't.  I would like
> everyone who debates their skin color to read this.  I don't expect to
> change anybody's minds (I'm not that naive anymore) but I wan't to at
> least get people THINKING.  I AM naive enough that I still believe in
> the human race and I also believe that future generations will no longer
> be bickering about how much darker or lighter each other's skin is and
> how it relates to intelligence.
>         Also, I don't expect to find too many people out there, (especially in
> this newsgroup) who agree with me, but if there are please email me so
> that I know that I'm not the only one out there.
> Mike Couillard
> owy@earthlink.net



Such is the way that nations die.

With all good wishes,

-- 


Kevin Alfred Strom

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From ka_strom@ix.netcom.com Sun Sep 15 10:42:05 PDT 1996
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From: Kevin Alfred Strom 
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You might want to consider adding the urls listed in my resource list at 
the end of this message to your new page; I have found them to be useful 
and important.

With all good wishes,

-- 


Kevin Alfred Strom

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From ka_strom@ix.netcom.com Mon Sep 16 18:53:38 PDT 1996
Article: 29776 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: Kevin Alfred Strom 
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Subject: Re: Alaskan Independence a view point.
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I checked out the various Alaskan independence links.

Though I think that the Aleuts and other Amerind tribes also deserve 
their own nations -- separate from the Alaskan Republic -- I support the 
concept in general, just as I do Quebec separatism in general.

They are, potentially, nails in the coffins of multiculturalism, 
multiracialism, world government, and the always concomitant tyranny.

May the emergence of new nations on the soil of North America continue -- 
rapidly.

With all good wishes,

Kevin: born and raised, Territory of Alaska, 1956
-- 


Kevin Alfred Strom

-----------------------------------------------------------
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                 Occupied America Homepage:
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     Information on Amateur Radio Operations on 3950 kHz:
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                The Finest in European Art:
      http://www.telecall.co.uk/~synergy/gframing/cat2.html

                   Patriotic Resistance:
                  http://www.natvan.com/
                  http://www.natall.com/


From ka_strom@ix.netcom.com Mon Sep 16 18:53:56 PDT 1996
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From: Kevin Alfred Strom 
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I checked out the various Alaskan independence links.

Though I think that the Aleuts and other Amerind tribes also deserve 
their own nations -- separate from the Alaskan Republic -- I support the 
concept in general, just as I do Quebec separatism in general.

They are, potentially, nails in the coffins of multiculturalism, 
multiracialism, world government, and the always concomitant tyranny.

May the emergence of new nations on the soil of North America continue -- 
rapidly.

With all good wishes,

Kevin: born and raised, Territory of Alaska, 1956
-- 


Kevin Alfred Strom

-----------------------------------------------------------
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                The Finest in European Art:
      http://www.telecall.co.uk/~synergy/gframing/cat2.html

                   Patriotic Resistance:
                  http://www.natvan.com/
                  http://www.natall.com/


From ka_strom@ix.netcom.com Mon Sep 16 18:53:57 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: THE PC ATTITUDE AND THE "OFFICIAL JEWISH ATTITUDE"
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Laura Finsten wrote:
> 
> Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote:
> >Laura Finsten wrote:
> 
> >> Well, Mr. Whitaker, are Jews "White" or aren't they?
> 
> >Jews are a peculiar hybrid people, and in practical fact can be any one
> >of many different racial mixes. That they have group tendencies and
> >characteristics (like susceptibility to certain diseases) does show some
> >degree of racial kinship between Jews who, to our eyes, appear to be of
> >divergent racial stocks.
> 
> So if I were to convert to Judaism, would I undergo some kind of strange
> genetic transformation and become a "hybrid", Mr. Strom?
> 


The description I used, "hybrid people," necessarily implies the 
possibility of intermarriage and conversion.



> >Is it not natural that, living as aliens in many lands, such a people
> >would try to break down the normal kinship-based societal structures of
> >their hosts?
> 
> No, it is "not natural" at all.  This is rather a better description
> of the historical situations in which large, powerful groups with
> territorial designs have dealt with local inhabitants.  Examples
> include Africa and North America under colonial rule.
> 


Oh, sure, I suppose that other peoples have used such a tactic from time 
to time. In another message I posted today I described its use against 
Amerinds by American missionaries and government agents.

But even the old-time sleazebags in occupied Washington never tried to 
make a religion/moral paradigm out of "anti-racism."



> >Is it not natural that they would promote "religious" and
> >pseudo-scientific justifications for a new moral paradigm in which
> >"racism" is the ultimate evil? It may be that such behavior is not
> >entirely at the conscious level.
> 
> "Religious justifications"?  Are you suggesting that it is only
> the Jewish interpretation of the Old Testament that results in
> a moral order in which acceptance of others is considered to be
> a good thing?  That this is *not* a part of any Christian doctrine?
> 



In their own religious texts, the Jews don't appear to me to be 
particularly accepting of others.

If you are really interested, I could quote the "Old Testament" at length 
on the evils of intermarriage with non-Jews and the necessity of 
exterminating the enemies of the Jewish people; and the Talmud goes on 
and on about the different moral codes to be followed when dealing with 
the goyim as opposed to one's fellow Jews.

When they vend a new religion to the Gentiles, however, such as 
Christianity, or "diversity," or the "Holocaust" religion; the moral 
lesson always seems to revolve around how we are all the same, that 
morality is universal, how one mustn't discriminate on the basis of race 
or religion, and that such discrimination is a great moral evil.



> "Pseudo-scientific justifications"?  While non-Jews have come up with
> "real scientific" justifications for racism?  Or are you suggesting
> that Jews have so dominated (pseudo-)science that it hasn't been
> possible for any "real science" to get done?
> 


You present a very exaggerated picture, but you do have the cast of 
characters approximately correct.



> >Some Jews have renounced this hypocritical mode of survival, and exposed
> >it for all to see.
> [...]
> >The closest analogue to the Jewish people is the Gypsies, who look
> >approximately White in many cases in Europe, but quite different
> >elsewhere, and who maintain a kind of unity despite this. Their predation
> >is of a different kind, and on a much lower and more benign level.
> 
> Predation???  You're going to have to explain that one more explicitly,
> Mr. Strom.  Specifically what kinds of exclusively Jewish behaviours
> constitute this "predation" you are talking about?
> 
> "If I can't dance.....I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>           Emma Goldman


Gypsies, so far as I know, have not attained positions of control over 
any nation's mass media; nor have they succeeded in powerfully 
influencing the governments of their host nations in their favor; nor 
have they presumed to lecture their host peoples on morality; nor have 
they tried to break down the bonds of kinship that were the basis of 
those societies; nor have they tried to convince other races that race 
does not exist.

With good wishes,

-- 


Kevin Alfred Strom

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From ka_strom@ix.netcom.com Mon Sep 16 19:17:55 PDT 1996
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I checked out the various Alaskan independence links.

Though I think that the Aleuts and other Amerind tribes also deserve 
their own nations -- separate from the Alaskan Republic -- I support the 
concept in general, just as I do Quebec separatism in general.

They are, potentially, nails in the coffins of multiculturalism, 
multiracialism, world government, and the always concomitant tyranny.

May the emergence of new nations on the soil of North America continue -- 
rapidly.

With all good wishes,

Kevin: born and raised, Territory of Alaska, 1956
-- 


Kevin Alfred Strom

-----------------------------------------------------------
      Resource list; not all are affiliated with me;
                  I speak only for myself:

                 Occupied America Homepage:
      http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/america/

     Information on Amateur Radio Operations on 3950 kHz:
            http://www.usaor.net/users/mckinney/

                The Finest in European Art:
      http://www.telecall.co.uk/~synergy/gframing/cat2.html

                   Patriotic Resistance:
                  http://www.natvan.com/
                  http://www.natall.com/


From ka_strom@ix.netcom.com Mon Sep 16 22:11:06 PDT 1996
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I checked out the various Alaskan independence links.

Though I think that the Aleuts and other Amerind tribes also deserve 
their own nations -- separate from the Alaskan Republic -- I support the 
concept in general, just as I do Quebec separatism in general.

They are, potentially, nails in the coffins of multiculturalism, 
multiracialism, world government, and the always concomitant tyranny.

May the emergence of new nations on the soil of North America continue -- 
rapidly.

With all good wishes,

Kevin: born and raised, Territory of Alaska, 1956
-- 


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From ka_strom@ix.netcom.com Mon Sep 16 23:15:15 PDT 1996
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From: Kevin Alfred Strom 
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Subject: Re: THE PC ATTITUDE AND THE "OFFICIAL JEWISH ATTITUDE"
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Laura Finsten wrote:
> 
> Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote:
> >Laura Finsten wrote:
> 
> >> Well, Mr. Whitaker, are Jews "White" or aren't they?
> 
> >Jews are a peculiar hybrid people, and in practical fact can be any one
> >of many different racial mixes. That they have group tendencies and
> >characteristics (like susceptibility to certain diseases) does show some
> >degree of racial kinship between Jews who, to our eyes, appear to be of
> >divergent racial stocks.
> 
> So if I were to convert to Judaism, would I undergo some kind of strange
> genetic transformation and become a "hybrid", Mr. Strom?
> 


The description I used, "hybrid people," necessarily implies the 
possibility of intermarriage and conversion.



> >Is it not natural that, living as aliens in many lands, such a people
> >would try to break down the normal kinship-based societal structures of
> >their hosts?
> 
> No, it is "not natural" at all.  This is rather a better description
> of the historical situations in which large, powerful groups with
> territorial designs have dealt with local inhabitants.  Examples
> include Africa and North America under colonial rule.
> 


Oh, sure, I suppose that other peoples have used such a tactic from time 
to time. In another message I posted today I described its use against 
Amerinds by American missionaries and government agents.

But even the old-time sleazebags in occupied Washington never tried to 
make a religion/moral paradigm out of "anti-racism."



> >Is it not natural that they would promote "religious" and
> >pseudo-scientific justifications for a new moral paradigm in which
> >"racism" is the ultimate evil? It may be that such behavior is not
> >entirely at the conscious level.
> 
> "Religious justifications"?  Are you suggesting that it is only
> the Jewish interpretation of the Old Testament that results in
> a moral order in which acceptance of others is considered to be
> a good thing?  That this is *not* a part of any Christian doctrine?
> 



In their own religious texts, the Jews don't appear to me to be 
particularly accepting of others.

If you are really interested, I could quote the "Old Testament" at length 
on the evils of intermarriage with non-Jews and the necessity of 
exterminating the enemies of the Jewish people; and the Talmud goes on 
and on about the different moral codes to be followed when dealing with 
the goyim as opposed to one's fellow Jews.

When they vend a new religion to the Gentiles, however, such as 
Christianity, or "diversity," or the "Holocaust" religion; the moral 
lesson always seems to revolve around how we are all the same, that 
morality is universal, how one mustn't discriminate on the basis of race 
or religion, and that such discrimination is a great moral evil.



> "Pseudo-scientific justifications"?  While non-Jews have come up with
> "real scientific" justifications for racism?  Or are you suggesting
> that Jews have so dominated (pseudo-)science that it hasn't been
> possible for any "real science" to get done?
> 


You present a very exaggerated picture, but you do have the cast of 
characters approximately correct.



> >Some Jews have renounced this hypocritical mode of survival, and exposed
> >it for all to see.
> [...]
> >The closest analogue to the Jewish people is the Gypsies, who look
> >approximately White in many cases in Europe, but quite different
> >elsewhere, and who maintain a kind of unity despite this. Their predation
> >is of a different kind, and on a much lower and more benign level.
> 
> Predation???  You're going to have to explain that one more explicitly,
> Mr. Strom.  Specifically what kinds of exclusively Jewish behaviours
> constitute this "predation" you are talking about?
> 
> "If I can't dance.....I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>           Emma Goldman


Gypsies, so far as I know, have not attained positions of control over 
any nation's mass media; nor have they succeeded in powerfully 
influencing the governments of their host nations in their favor; nor 
have they presumed to lecture their host peoples on morality; nor have 
they tried to break down the bonds of kinship that were the basis of 
those societies; nor have they tried to convince other races that race 
does not exist.

With good wishes,

-- 


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se127pp wrote on the subject of racial separation:
> ...
> 
> While in favor of a national referendum (non-binding) as prelude to
> Constitutional division if so desired by most Americans, your statement
> brings up an old problem. Who will do the menial labor in the all white
> nation? Much of it is done in the US now by non-whites, and that includes
> a lot of maddening, hourly-waged, dead-end pencil-pushing "Support"
> positions. 


In a White nation all human labor would of course be performed by White 
people. Until quite recently virtually all the labor in places like 
Minnesota and South Dakota was performed by White people, and they seem 
none the worse for it. If employers want the work done, they will offer 
high enough wages to induce someone to do it.


> The low-educated in the US now are mostly non-whites (if not
> numerically then percentage-wise). While the US is far less dependant on
> unskilled labor than in the past, the service industry has created a huge
> class of hourly temporaries who often face little prospect for
> advancement. IN an all white nation, the low-educated will be the skinhead
> group, which will have the highest economic expectations, not lowest, of
> the whites to form the new republic.


Skinheads are a tiny minority of Whites and come from a variety of 
backgrounds.

To the extent that most of them come from the declining "working middle 
class" sector, their rebellion is understandable considering how the 
current establishment has treated them.

Responsible leaders (business and political) who are _of_ their people 
ought to feel a responsibility to those people. That implies fair 
treatment and putting their people's interests ahead of raceless 
international capital or a fast buck. Most of America's White leadership 
abdicated their responsibility decades ago.


> In fact, there is an inverse
> relationship: the whites most successful in the US now will be least
> likely ,for purely personal reasons, to give up a status quo that may
> include reaping a sizeable (and albeit welfare- funded) minority consumer
> class. Similarly, the poorly educated, working-class man, or the skinhead
> youth, in the new white nation will not appreciate pumping gas for a white
> boss when already having done it for a towel-head in the pre-split
> America. The solution to the lost expectations among the temp-force might
> be a narrowing of the wage/salary range between the highest and lowest
> echelons, similar I guess to the redistributive, welfare systems in the
> almost all-white Scandanavian countries.
> 


Yes, those with the most to lose are least likely to opt for change, even 
change they perceive as good. It's a universal problem.

But assuming the separation we desire takes place:

Just as the corporations have adapted themselves to multiracialism as 
public policy (admittedly under the threat of punitive laws), so will 
they adapt themselves to the new nation of racial solidarity and 
responsibility. Or they will no longer be allowed to do business, any 
more than they would be allowed to continue to poison the community's 
wells in a rational state.

In my opinion, business owners who lie to and abuse their employees are 
no better than apostles of class warfare who throw sand in the gears and 
preach communism.

Unlike the devotees of apocalyptic socialist creeds, I do not think that 
human nature will change with the advent of a new government. Standards, 
based on what is best for our race, will have to be agreed to and 
enforced.



> You probably know what has been happening in Germany to its migrant worker
> class made up of asiatics or dark whites. The auslanders-aus phrase became
> part of German male youth lexicon despite Germany's blanket of anti-
> nationalist inculcation; thus, similar circumstances will certainly arise
> in a purposefully all-white American nation if large numbers of non-white
> migrants arrived on work visas to do the work that whites generally prefer
> not to do at the pre-split-America wage. Should that happen, the
> leadership of the white nation will be forced to eat ideological crow by
> stepping in to defend the non/near-white pickers against the stompers, to
> please the planters.
> 


The planters will just have to pay a wage that will satisfy enough White 
workers to get the job done. And the rest of us will have to spend a few 
more cents on beans and corn. The benefits will be worth it.

Integration with the Third World equalizes wages downward toward the 
Third World level. Racial separatism and economic nationalism will raise 
wages for White workers. It might lower profits temporarily, but I  
believe that a eugenic White state would eventually become quite 
prosperous.



>  In the US, rich whites have always sought non-whites as they defined it,
> if they could do hard work cheaply (they considered the Irish immigrants
> to be a lower form of white, the Italians to be non-white, when it was
> European immigrants doing this work). That includes using African slaves
> and Chinese railroad workers, jewish and Italian garment workers, as well
> as white debtors, etc. Your/(our?) new white nation while, again, far less
> dependant on unskilled labor than America was, will still have a large
> number doing drudge work done (albeit middlingly) by minorities now, e.g.
> cleaning hairs out of motel shower drains, that they didn't expect as the
> reward for the sacrifice likely made to meet the Establishment's toll for
> separation.  That disappointment might be the nation's undoing, or at
> least lead to a lot of appeasing, western Europe-style social-welfare.


Some may have unrealistic expectations, I am sure. And some may have to 
have their misapprehensions corrected. But in the long term, an all-White 
nation with eugenic policies and a free economy will not have to worry 
very much about providing well for all its citizens. Look how well we are 
doing now, with the millions of leeches and free riders around the world 
sucking our blood.

I am not opposed to limited "welfare" for those members of our community 
who have worked hard and contributed to the common good, but can no 
longer do so. But I also see no reason to subsidize layabouts and 
scoundrels, or their periodic revolts against civilization.

Self-reliance and responsibility are necessary virtues, and every child 
needs to learn that there is nothing dishonorable in cleaning hotel 
drains, scrubbing his own toilet, weeding his garden, cleaning his floor, 
washing his clothes, taking care of his own children, or any other kind 
of labor. Besides the proper kind of education and the examples of good 
parents, there is nothing better than a free economy to instill a sense 
of responsibility for one's own fate.

With all good wishes,

-- 


Kevin Alfred Strom

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se127pp wrote on the subject of racial separation:
> ...
> 
> While in favor of a national referendum (non-binding) as prelude to
> Constitutional division if so desired by most Americans, your statement
> brings up an old problem. Who will do the menial labor in the all white
> nation? Much of it is done in the US now by non-whites, and that includes
> a lot of maddening, hourly-waged, dead-end pencil-pushing "Support"
> positions. 


In a White nation all human labor would of course be performed by White 
people. Until quite recently virtually all the labor in places like 
Minnesota and South Dakota was performed by White people, and they seem 
none the worse for it. If employers want the work done, they will offer 
high enough wages to induce someone to do it.


> The low-educated in the US now are mostly non-whites (if not
> numerically then percentage-wise). While the US is far less dependant on
> unskilled labor than in the past, the service industry has created a huge
> class of hourly temporaries who often face little prospect for
> advancement. IN an all white nation, the low-educated will be the skinhead
> group, which will have the highest economic expectations, not lowest, of
> the whites to form the new republic.


Skinheads are a tiny minority of Whites and come from a variety of 
backgrounds.

To the extent that most of them come from the declining "working middle 
class" sector, their rebellion is understandable considering how the 
current establishment has treated them.

Responsible leaders (business and political) who are _of_ their people 
ought to feel a responsibility to those people. That implies fair 
treatment and putting their people's interests ahead of raceless 
international capital or a fast buck. Most of America's White leadership 
abdicated their responsibility decades ago.


> In fact, there is an inverse
> relationship: the whites most successful in the US now will be least
> likely ,for purely personal reasons, to give up a status quo that may
> include reaping a sizeable (and albeit welfare- funded) minority consumer
> class. Similarly, the poorly educated, working-class man, or the skinhead
> youth, in the new white nation will not appreciate pumping gas for a white
> boss when already having done it for a towel-head in the pre-split
> America. The solution to the lost expectations among the temp-force might
> be a narrowing of the wage/salary range between the highest and lowest
> echelons, similar I guess to the redistributive, welfare systems in the
> almost all-white Scandanavian countries.
> 


Yes, those with the most to lose are least likely to opt for change, even 
change they perceive as good. It's a universal problem.

But assuming the separation we desire takes place:

Just as the corporations have adapted themselves to multiracialism as 
public policy (admittedly under the threat of punitive laws), so will 
they adapt themselves to the new nation of racial solidarity and 
responsibility. Or they will no longer be allowed to do business, any 
more than they would be allowed to continue to poison the community's 
wells in a rational state.

In my opinion, business owners who lie to and abuse their employees are 
no better than apostles of class warfare who throw sand in the gears and 
preach communism.

Unlike the devotees of apocalyptic socialist creeds, I do not think that 
human nature will change with the advent of a new government. Standards, 
based on what is best for our race, will have to be agreed to and 
enforced.



> You probably know what has been happening in Germany to its migrant worker
> class made up of asiatics or dark whites. The auslanders-aus phrase became
> part of German male youth lexicon despite Germany's blanket of anti-
> nationalist inculcation; thus, similar circumstances will certainly arise
> in a purposefully all-white American nation if large numbers of non-white
> migrants arrived on work visas to do the work that whites generally prefer
> not to do at the pre-split-America wage. Should that happen, the
> leadership of the white nation will be forced to eat ideological crow by
> stepping in to defend the non/near-white pickers against the stompers, to
> please the planters.
> 


The planters will just have to pay a wage that will satisfy enough White 
workers to get the job done. And the rest of us will have to spend a few 
more cents on beans and corn. The benefits will be worth it.

Integration with the Third World equalizes wages downward toward the 
Third World level. Racial separatism and economic nationalism will raise 
wages for White workers. It might lower profits temporarily, but I  
believe that a eugenic White state would eventually become quite 
prosperous.



>  In the US, rich whites have always sought non-whites as they defined it,
> if they could do hard work cheaply (they considered the Irish immigrants
> to be a lower form of white, the Italians to be non-white, when it was
> European immigrants doing this work). That includes using African slaves
> and Chinese railroad workers, jewish and Italian garment workers, as well
> as white debtors, etc. Your/(our?) new white nation while, again, far less
> dependant on unskilled labor than America was, will still have a large
> number doing drudge work done (albeit middlingly) by minorities now, e.g.
> cleaning hairs out of motel shower drains, that they didn't expect as the
> reward for the sacrifice likely made to meet the Establishment's toll for
> separation.  That disappointment might be the nation's undoing, or at
> least lead to a lot of appeasing, western Europe-style social-welfare.


Some may have unrealistic expectations, I am sure. And some may have to 
have their misapprehensions corrected. But in the long term, an all-White 
nation with eugenic policies and a free economy will not have to worry 
very much about providing well for all its citizens. Look how well we are 
doing now, with the millions of leeches and free riders around the world 
sucking our blood.

I am not opposed to limited "welfare" for those members of our community 
who have worked hard and contributed to the common good, but can no 
longer do so. But I also see no reason to subsidize layabouts and 
scoundrels, or their periodic revolts against civilization.

Self-reliance and responsibility are necessary virtues, and every child 
needs to learn that there is nothing dishonorable in cleaning hotel 
drains, scrubbing his own toilet, weeding his garden, cleaning his floor, 
washing his clothes, taking care of his own children, or any other kind 
of labor. Besides the proper kind of education and the examples of good 
parents, there is nothing better than a free economy to instill a sense 
of responsibility for one's own fate.

With all good wishes,

-- 


Kevin Alfred Strom

-----------------------------------------------------------
      Resource list; not all are affiliated with me;
                  I speak only for myself:

                 Occupied America Homepage:
      http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/america/

     Information on Amateur Radio Operations on 3950 kHz:
            http://www.usaor.net/users/mckinney/

                The Finest in European Art:
      http://www.telecall.co.uk/~synergy/gframing/cat2.html

                   Patriotic Resistance:
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Subject: Re: "PROVE THIS, OR WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO GENOCIDE"
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Bob Whitaker wrote:
> 
> If someone says all blacks should be done away with, does anyone
> think any of our clones would say it wasn't genocide, because the "black
> race" doesn't exist?
>    Of course not.
>    But they do insist that what they call the "white" race has to prove
> it meets some kind of definitional nonsense to claim its right to
> exist.  Some racists try to prove we are inherently superior in order to
> justify our existence.
>   The fact remains a fact: non-blacks are not pouring into Africa,
> non-Mongoloids are not pouring into China or Japan.  The destruction of
> one race by immigration and integration is ongoing, and the race is what
> everybody knows is the white race.  Yes, what "everybody knows" does
> matter, otherwise no discussion is possible.  No rational discussion can
> take place if every talk gets bogged down in arguements about the wave
> length of "red" or how much bigger than means bigger than or some other
> such theological nonsense.
>      Genocide is a VERY serious business.  These clones are playing a
> nasty little game.


When group B occupies group A's territory, there is a commonly understood 
word for such action: it is called invasion. Invasions can, and not 
infrequently do, lead to exterminations or extinctions -- in postwar 
jargon, genocide.

This is true whether or not a war is formally declared and whether or not 
the A government and the B government are in conflict or even 
disagreement. In fact, invasions preexist governments.

Clearly when _homo sapiens europaeus_ arrived and began to displace _homo 
sapiens asiaticus_ on the North American continent, it was an invasion.

And the Amerinds, being a healthy people in general, fought back to 
retain their territory, or in defeat consolidated their nations further 
west after retreating. Only the bought-off or the traitor abandoned his 
people, went over to the Europeans, and disowned or opposed the struggle 
for his people's independence. (Crackpot ideas of raceless "Americanism," 
usually combined with cheap hooch and a large dollop of nutball religion 
were sometimes used to get the Indians to "come over.") If the Amerind 
nations survive, it will be due to the actions of the healthy members of 
those tribes.

Today, those who march under the soiled banner of "equality" are 
attempting to do exactly what they accuse Adolf Hitler and his National 
Socialists of trying to do: set up a world government, "take over the 
world."

Their world government will be, and to a large degree already is, an 
authority and power to which all will swear allegiance or suffer the fate 
of the Iraqi foot soldiers who obeyed the UN orders a bit too slowly for 
George Bush's liking, and had to be burned alive by the tens of thousands 
 -- as they retreated -- in a very real holocaust engineered by Fortune 
500 aerospace, chemical, and Silicon Valley corporations. Their world 
government will be an authority from which it will be impossible to hide 
anywhere on the planet.

The "equality" ideologues and lickspittles, and their corporate and 
foundation and bureaucrat friends, have arranged for an invasion of the 
United States and virtually every White nation by many tens of millions 
of alien races. They have dismantled the laws which formerly protected 
the European genetic heritage of those nations, and have instituted new 
laws criminalizing the natural, healthy reactions of Whites who oppose 
the invasion. The engineers of the invasion know exactly what they are 
doing, and expend huge sums justifying it in the media, the churches, and 
the "educational" bureaucracy.

If our people and civilization survive, it will be due to the actions of 
those who oppose this invasion. May they continue to increase in courage.

With all good wishes,

-- 


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From ka_strom@ix.netcom.com Tue Sep 17 00:38:15 PDT 1996
Article: 37595 of alt.skinheads
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se127pp wrote on the subject of racial separation:
> ...
> 
> While in favor of a national referendum (non-binding) as prelude to
> Constitutional division if so desired by most Americans, your statement
> brings up an old problem. Who will do the menial labor in the all white
> nation? Much of it is done in the US now by non-whites, and that includes
> a lot of maddening, hourly-waged, dead-end pencil-pushing "Support"
> positions. 


In a White nation all human labor would of course be performed by White 
people. Until quite recently virtually all the labor in places like 
Minnesota and South Dakota was performed by White people, and they seem 
none the worse for it. If employers want the work done, they will offer 
high enough wages to induce someone to do it.


> The low-educated in the US now are mostly non-whites (if not
> numerically then percentage-wise). While the US is far less dependant on
> unskilled labor than in the past, the service industry has created a huge
> class of hourly temporaries who often face little prospect for
> advancement. IN an all white nation, the low-educated will be the skinhead
> group, which will have the highest economic expectations, not lowest, of
> the whites to form the new republic.


Skinheads are a tiny minority of Whites and come from a variety of 
backgrounds.

To the extent that most of them come from the declining "working middle 
class" sector, their rebellion is understandable considering how the 
current establishment has treated them.

Responsible leaders (business and political) who are _of_ their people 
ought to feel a responsibility to those people. That implies fair 
treatment and putting their people's interests ahead of raceless 
international capital or a fast buck. Most of America's White leadership 
abdicated their responsibility decades ago.


> In fact, there is an inverse
> relationship: the whites most successful in the US now will be least
> likely ,for purely personal reasons, to give up a status quo that may
> include reaping a sizeable (and albeit welfare- funded) minority consumer
> class. Similarly, the poorly educated, working-class man, or the skinhead
> youth, in the new white nation will not appreciate pumping gas for a white
> boss when already having done it for a towel-head in the pre-split
> America. The solution to the lost expectations among the temp-force might
> be a narrowing of the wage/salary range between the highest and lowest
> echelons, similar I guess to the redistributive, welfare systems in the
> almost all-white Scandanavian countries.
> 


Yes, those with the most to lose are least likely to opt for change, even 
change they perceive as good. It's a universal problem.

But assuming the separation we desire takes place:

Just as the corporations have adapted themselves to multiracialism as 
public policy (admittedly under the threat of punitive laws), so will 
they adapt themselves to the new nation of racial solidarity and 
responsibility. Or they will no longer be allowed to do business, any 
more than they would be allowed to continue to poison the community's 
wells in a rational state.

In my opinion, business owners who lie to and abuse their employees are 
no better than apostles of class warfare who throw sand in the gears and 
preach communism.

Unlike the devotees of apocalyptic socialist creeds, I do not think that 
human nature will change with the advent of a new government. Standards, 
based on what is best for our race, will have to be agreed to and 
enforced.



> You probably know what has been happening in Germany to its migrant worker
> class made up of asiatics or dark whites. The auslanders-aus phrase became
> part of German male youth lexicon despite Germany's blanket of anti-
> nationalist inculcation; thus, similar circumstances will certainly arise
> in a purposefully all-white American nation if large numbers of non-white
> migrants arrived on work visas to do the work that whites generally prefer
> not to do at the pre-split-America wage. Should that happen, the
> leadership of the white nation will be forced to eat ideological crow by
> stepping in to defend the non/near-white pickers against the stompers, to
> please the planters.
> 


The planters will just have to pay a wage that will satisfy enough White 
workers to get the job done. And the rest of us will have to spend a few 
more cents on beans and corn. The benefits will be worth it.

Integration with the Third World equalizes wages downward toward the 
Third World level. Racial separatism and economic nationalism will raise 
wages for White workers. It might lower profits temporarily, but I  
believe that a eugenic White state would eventually become quite 
prosperous.



>  In the US, rich whites have always sought non-whites as they defined it,
> if they could do hard work cheaply (they considered the Irish immigrants
> to be a lower form of white, the Italians to be non-white, when it was
> European immigrants doing this work). That includes using African slaves
> and Chinese railroad workers, jewish and Italian garment workers, as well
> as white debtors, etc. Your/(our?) new white nation while, again, far less
> dependant on unskilled labor than America was, will still have a large
> number doing drudge work done (albeit middlingly) by minorities now, e.g.
> cleaning hairs out of motel shower drains, that they didn't expect as the
> reward for the sacrifice likely made to meet the Establishment's toll for
> separation.  That disappointment might be the nation's undoing, or at
> least lead to a lot of appeasing, western Europe-style social-welfare.


Some may have unrealistic expectations, I am sure. And some may have to 
have their misapprehensions corrected. But in the long term, an all-White 
nation with eugenic policies and a free economy will not have to worry 
very much about providing well for all its citizens. Look how well we are 
doing now, with the millions of leeches and free riders around the world 
sucking our blood.

I am not opposed to limited "welfare" for those members of our community 
who have worked hard and contributed to the common good, but can no 
longer do so. But I also see no reason to subsidize layabouts and 
scoundrels, or their periodic revolts against civilization.

Self-reliance and responsibility are necessary virtues, and every child 
needs to learn that there is nothing dishonorable in cleaning hotel 
drains, scrubbing his own toilet, weeding his garden, cleaning his floor, 
washing his clothes, taking care of his own children, or any other kind 
of labor. Besides the proper kind of education and the examples of good 
parents, there is nothing better than a free economy to instill a sense 
of responsibility for one's own fate.

With all good wishes,

-- 


Kevin Alfred Strom

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From ka_strom@ix.netcom.com Tue Sep 17 03:58:46 PDT 1996
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From: Kevin Alfred Strom 
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Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:
> 
> Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:
> >
> > Dave Harman OBC wrote:
> > >
> > > In <322F67C9.207A@ix.netcom.com> Kevin Alfred Strom  writes:
> > > ...[on the subject of the word _Aryan_]
> > > !
> > > ! There is an hilarious "anti-racist" book in my local public library,
> > > ! intended for use by schoolteachers, which claims that the term was
> > > ! invented by an evil "nazi" named "Dr. Arius."
> > >
> > > Which one is that?  No doubt authored by someone accredited for their
> > > field!  Well, politics is an example where lack of accredition is a
> > > good sign!
> > > ...
> >
> > Next time I go online with my local library's system, I'll look up the
> > reference.
> > ...
> 
> ....Which I just did. Here is the data on the book:
> 
> AUTHOR: Larson, Bart.
>         
> TITLE: Gangs in America / by BartLarson and Wendell Amstutz
> ; layout and cover photograph by Bart Larson.
> OTHER TITLE: A user-friendly handbook on gangs in America.
> PUBLISHED: Rochstr, Mn. : National CounselingResource
> Center, c1993.
> PAGING: 128 p. : ill. ; 29 cm.
> 
> NOTES: Cover title: A user-friendly handbook on gangs in
> 
> 
> 
> 1.    CALL NUMBER: 302.34 L329g -- NONFICTION -- Checked out/Lost
> 2.    CALL NUMBER: 302.34 L329g -- NONFICTION -- Available
> 
> I have reserved the book and will provide the hilarious excerpt soon!...


Pages 21-22 of _Gangs In America_, Bart Larson and Wendell Amstutz, 1993, 
National Counseling Resource Center [misspellings in the original]:

"Neo-Nazis are one of the fastest growing white supremacist groups and 
are found in about 2/3 of all states in the U.S.A.

"They are for the _Aryan race_ and against any race, particularly Jews 
and Blacks (as well as _all_ homosexuals), who are not Aryan. (Aryans get 
their name from a Dr. Aryus. He believed in a type of social Darwinism, 
that some races of people have evolved higher than others. White Nordics 
were considered most highly evolved, with Blacks the least evolved. Jews 
were also considered vastly inferior. According to him both Blacks and 
Jews should be killed in order to advance the human race. Adolph Hitler, 
sadly, adopted his theory and millions died.)...

"Aryan Nations is a very violent, anti-immigration Neo-Nazi white 
supremacist group....

"They have a computer bulletin board ("Aryan Nations Liberty Net") which 
lists the enemies of Aryan Nation. (All enemies are called Jews, whether 
they are Jewish or not.) Anytime someone kills an enemy on that list they 
get so many points and it becomes a status symbol to accumulate the most 
points....

"Louis R. Bean, a former Klu Klux Klan member from Texas, was the founder 
of the Aryan Nations."

[end book quote]

The librarian said that this book was in high demand these days with gang 
problems (read: Hmong and Negro problems) beginning to rear their heads 
locally.

The reason that garbage like this passes for "research" is that it takes 
the correct "anti-racist" position, and that is all that really matters. 
They lie with abandon.

With all good wishes,

-- 


Kevin Alfred Strom

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From ka_strom@ix.netcom.com Tue Sep 17 04:26:07 PDT 1996
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Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:
> 
> Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:
> >
> > Dave Harman OBC wrote:
> > >
> > > In <322F67C9.207A@ix.netcom.com> Kevin Alfred Strom  writes:
> > > ...[on the subject of the word _Aryan_]
> > > !
> > > ! There is an hilarious "anti-racist" book in my local public library,
> > > ! intended for use by schoolteachers, which claims that the term was
> > > ! invented by an evil "nazi" named "Dr. Arius."
> > >
> > > Which one is that?  No doubt authored by someone accredited for their
> > > field!  Well, politics is an example where lack of accredition is a
> > > good sign!
> > > ...
> >
> > Next time I go online with my local library's system, I'll look up the
> > reference.
> > ...
> 
> ....Which I just did. Here is the data on the book:
> 
> AUTHOR: Larson, Bart.
>         
> TITLE: Gangs in America / by BartLarson and Wendell Amstutz
> ; layout and cover photograph by Bart Larson.
> OTHER TITLE: A user-friendly handbook on gangs in America.
> PUBLISHED: Rochstr, Mn. : National CounselingResource
> Center, c1993.
> PAGING: 128 p. : ill. ; 29 cm.
> 
> NOTES: Cover title: A user-friendly handbook on gangs in
> 
> 
> 
> 1.    CALL NUMBER: 302.34 L329g -- NONFICTION -- Checked out/Lost
> 2.    CALL NUMBER: 302.34 L329g -- NONFICTION -- Available
> 
> I have reserved the book and will provide the hilarious excerpt soon!...


Pages 21-22 of _Gangs In America_, Bart Larson and Wendell Amstutz, 1993, 
National Counseling Resource Center [misspellings in the original]:

"Neo-Nazis are one of the fastest growing white supremacist groups and 
are found in about 2/3 of all states in the U.S.A.

"They are for the _Aryan race_ and against any race, particularly Jews 
and Blacks (as well as _all_ homosexuals), who are not Aryan. (Aryans get 
their name from a Dr. Aryus. He believed in a type of social Darwinism, 
that some races of people have evolved higher than others. White Nordics 
were considered most highly evolved, with Blacks the least evolved. Jews 
were also considered vastly inferior. According to him both Blacks and 
Jews should be killed in order to advance the human race. Adolph Hitler, 
sadly, adopted his theory and millions died.)...

"Aryan Nations is a very violent, anti-immigration Neo-Nazi white 
supremacist group....

"They have a computer bulletin board ("Aryan Nations Liberty Net") which 
lists the enemies of Aryan Nation. (All enemies are called Jews, whether 
they are Jewish or not.) Anytime someone kills an enemy on that list they 
get so many points and it becomes a status symbol to accumulate the most 
points....

"Louis R. Bean, a former Klu Klux Klan member from Texas, was the founder 
of the Aryan Nations."

[end book quote]

The librarian said that this book was in high demand these days with gang 
problems (read: Hmong and Negro problems) beginning to rear their heads 
locally.

The reason that garbage like this passes for "research" is that it takes 
the correct "anti-racist" position, and that is all that really matters. 
They lie with abandon.

With all good wishes,

-- 


Kevin Alfred Strom

-----------------------------------------------------------
      Resource list; not all are affiliated with me;
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      http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/america/

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                The Finest in European Art:
      http://www.telecall.co.uk/~synergy/gframing/cat2.html

                   Patriotic Resistance:
                  http://www.natvan.com/
                  http://www.natall.com/


From ka_strom@ix.netcom.com Tue Sep 17 09:12:09 PDT 1996
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From: Kevin Alfred Strom 
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Subject: Re: "PROVE THIS, OR WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO GENOCIDE"
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Christopher Henrik Lund wrote:
> ...
> 
> The human race is doing just fine, thank you. Where the various ethnic
> variations are concerned, well, ethnic groups come and go. If all the
> caucasians (for example) vanished as a result of interbreeding, so what? Some
> new ethnic group would emerge instead.
> 
>         [blipp]
> 
>         C. Lund, Oslo   http://www.ifi.uio.no/~christop/shame.html


You have just stated that if your own people were to become extinct, it 
would not matter to you. Nations composed of such as you last as long as 
matches in hurricanes.

It is your right to believe that; but the looming extinction of our 
people _does_ matter very much to many men and women of our race; and it 
is quite likely millions more will become very concerned when the facts 
are presented to them.

Environmentalists rightly become concerned about the extinction of 
creatures of far less evolutionary significance than European Man.

But you yourself illustrate the existence of an ongoing selection process 
 -- a process that many have yet to perceive:

The terrible crisis which the present establishment is forcing on the 
peoples of European descent will, long before the race itself reaches the 
point of unviability, lead to the gradual genetic elimination of Whites 
with a weak race-consciousness from the European gene pool. This is a 
much-to-be-desired event.

With my best equinox wishes,

-- 


Kevin Alfred Strom

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Subject: Re: THE PC ATTITUDE AND THE "OFFICIAL JEWISH ATTITUDE"
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se127pp wrote:
> 
> 
> On Fri, 13 Sep 1996, Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:
> 
> >
> > Is it not natural that, living as aliens in many lands, such a people
> > would try to break down the normal kinship-based societal structures of
> > their hosts? Is it not natural that they would promote "religious" and
> > pseudo-scientific justifications for a new moral paradigm in which
> > "racism" is the ultimate evil? It may be that such behavior is not
> > entirely at the conscious level.
> >
> > Some Jews have renounced this hypocritical mode of survival, and exposed
> 
> I don't know if such behavior were even possible in many of the countries
> jews lived in for most of their diaspora history. They were thrown out of
> Spain in 1492. The Czarist Russia and Nazi experience exposed their
> vunerability to authoritarianism, elite or popular. Europe until
> relatively recently was non-Democratic, with a non-jewish (hereditary)
> elite controlling the press, as it were. The paradigm was set by the
> Church and this elite, the latter growing stronger and more centralized
> after the middle ages until the modern revolutionary era. The public,
> until the Renaissance, was nearly entirely illiterate. In light of the
> history, I don't see how jews could have gone among the general population
> and promoted "religious" and pseudo-scientific justifications for a new
> moral paradigm without in response being accused of killing Christ or
> drinking the blood of Christian babies, and being reminded to get back to
> the ghetto by sundown. I doubt that these monarchies would have tolerated
> any jews in Europe had jews unilaterally attempted such upheavel. It
> wasn't until there was widespread suffering among the general population
> which some regimes treated as chattle (Louis 14 France), as in Czarist
> Russia, that jews were able to have political influence, as communist
> "bolsheviks".  I will concede that the perversities of modern liberalism -
> masked Stalinism - have a very out-of-proportion share of jewish activists
> in their support, and that is all there is really to concede. BTW the
> fastest growing sect of jews, the ultra-orthodox, is repulsed by ACLU/Ivy
> League, integrationist jews to no end, and is not beyond voicing affinity
> for Pat Buchanan.

If the ultra-orthodox would step a little further in the direction of 
separatism, and launch a credible condemnation of their co-racialists' 
"anti-racist" agitation, then we would really have something.

The activities of the Jews were indeed much more restricted in the days 
when White survival mechanisms were less impaired.

The Jewish author Marcus Eli Ravage did note a few pre-modern Jewish 
activities against their hosts, beyond the obvious financial and 
corruption angles, in one of the numbers of the _Century_ magazine back 
in 1928, but it was something that the Americans didn't want to hear 
because of stupid religious prejudices.

Happy equinox,

-- 


Kevin Alfred Strom

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From ka_strom@ix.netcom.com Tue Sep 17 09:14:57 PDT 1996
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From: Kevin Alfred Strom 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Re: "PROVE THIS, OR WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO GENOCIDE"
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Christopher Henrik Lund wrote:
> ...
> 
> The human race is doing just fine, thank you. Where the various ethnic
> variations are concerned, well, ethnic groups come and go. If all the
> caucasians (for example) vanished as a result of interbreeding, so what? Some
> new ethnic group would emerge instead.
> 
>         [blipp]
> 
>         C. Lund, Oslo   http://www.ifi.uio.no/~christop/shame.html


You have just stated that if your own people were to become extinct, it 
would not matter to you. Nations composed of such as you last as long as 
matches in hurricanes.

It is your right to believe that; but the looming extinction of our 
people _does_ matter very much to many men and women of our race; and it 
is quite likely millions more will become very concerned when the facts 
are presented to them.

Environmentalists rightly become concerned about the extinction of 
creatures of far less evolutionary significance than European Man.

But you yourself illustrate the existence of an ongoing selection process 
 -- a process that many have yet to perceive:

The terrible crisis which the present establishment is forcing on the 
peoples of European descent will, long before the race itself reaches the 
point of unviability, lead to the gradual genetic elimination of Whites 
with a weak race-consciousness from the European gene pool. This is a 
much-to-be-desired event.

With my best equinox wishes,

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From ka_strom@ix.netcom.com Tue Sep 17 09:14:58 PDT 1996
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From: Kevin Alfred Strom 
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Subject: Re: THE PC ATTITUDE AND THE "OFFICIAL JEWISH ATTITUDE"
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se127pp wrote:
> 
> 
> On Fri, 13 Sep 1996, Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:
> 
> >
> > Is it not natural that, living as aliens in many lands, such a people
> > would try to break down the normal kinship-based societal structures of
> > their hosts? Is it not natural that they would promote "religious" and
> > pseudo-scientific justifications for a new moral paradigm in which
> > "racism" is the ultimate evil? It may be that such behavior is not
> > entirely at the conscious level.
> >
> > Some Jews have renounced this hypocritical mode of survival, and exposed
> 
> I don't know if such behavior were even possible in many of the countries
> jews lived in for most of their diaspora history. They were thrown out of
> Spain in 1492. The Czarist Russia and Nazi experience exposed their
> vunerability to authoritarianism, elite or popular. Europe until
> relatively recently was non-Democratic, with a non-jewish (hereditary)
> elite controlling the press, as it were. The paradigm was set by the
> Church and this elite, the latter growing stronger and more centralized
> after the middle ages until the modern revolutionary era. The public,
> until the Renaissance, was nearly entirely illiterate. In light of the
> history, I don't see how jews could have gone among the general population
> and promoted "religious" and pseudo-scientific justifications for a new
> moral paradigm without in response being accused of killing Christ or
> drinking the blood of Christian babies, and being reminded to get back to
> the ghetto by sundown. I doubt that these monarchies would have tolerated
> any jews in Europe had jews unilaterally attempted such upheavel. It
> wasn't until there was widespread suffering among the general population
> which some regimes treated as chattle (Louis 14 France), as in Czarist
> Russia, that jews were able to have political influence, as communist
> "bolsheviks".  I will concede that the perversities of modern liberalism -
> masked Stalinism - have a very out-of-proportion share of jewish activists
> in their support, and that is all there is really to concede. BTW the
> fastest growing sect of jews, the ultra-orthodox, is repulsed by ACLU/Ivy
> League, integrationist jews to no end, and is not beyond voicing affinity
> for Pat Buchanan.

If the ultra-orthodox would step a little further in the direction of 
separatism, and launch a credible condemnation of their co-racialists' 
"anti-racist" agitation, then we would really have something.

The activities of the Jews were indeed much more restricted in the days 
when White survival mechanisms were less impaired.

The Jewish author Marcus Eli Ravage did note a few pre-modern Jewish 
activities against their hosts, beyond the obvious financial and 
corruption angles, in one of the numbers of the _Century_ magazine back 
in 1928, but it was something that the Americans didn't want to hear 
because of stupid religious prejudices.

Happy equinox,

-- 


Kevin Alfred Strom

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se127pp wrote:
> 
> 
> On Fri, 13 Sep 1996, Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:
> 
> >
> > Is it not natural that, living as aliens in many lands, such a people
> > would try to break down the normal kinship-based societal structures of
> > their hosts? Is it not natural that they would promote "religious" and
> > pseudo-scientific justifications for a new moral paradigm in which
> > "racism" is the ultimate evil? It may be that such behavior is not
> > entirely at the conscious level.
> >
> > Some Jews have renounced this hypocritical mode of survival, and exposed
> 
> I don't know if such behavior were even possible in many of the countries
> jews lived in for most of their diaspora history. They were thrown out of
> Spain in 1492. The Czarist Russia and Nazi experience exposed their
> vunerability to authoritarianism, elite or popular. Europe until
> relatively recently was non-Democratic, with a non-jewish (hereditary)
> elite controlling the press, as it were. The paradigm was set by the
> Church and this elite, the latter growing stronger and more centralized
> after the middle ages until the modern revolutionary era. The public,
> until the Renaissance, was nearly entirely illiterate. In light of the
> history, I don't see how jews could have gone among the general population
> and promoted "religious" and pseudo-scientific justifications for a new
> moral paradigm without in response being accused of killing Christ or
> drinking the blood of Christian babies, and being reminded to get back to
> the ghetto by sundown. I doubt that these monarchies would have tolerated
> any jews in Europe had jews unilaterally attempted such upheavel. It
> wasn't until there was widespread suffering among the general population
> which some regimes treated as chattle (Louis 14 France), as in Czarist
> Russia, that jews were able to have political influence, as communist
> "bolsheviks".  I will concede that the perversities of modern liberalism -
> masked Stalinism - have a very out-of-proportion share of jewish activists
> in their support, and that is all there is really to concede. BTW the
> fastest growing sect of jews, the ultra-orthodox, is repulsed by ACLU/Ivy
> League, integrationist jews to no end, and is not beyond voicing affinity
> for Pat Buchanan.

If the ultra-orthodox would step a little further in the direction of 
separatism, and launch a credible condemnation of their co-racialists' 
"anti-racist" agitation, then we would really have something.

The activities of the Jews were indeed much more restricted in the days 
when White survival mechanisms were less impaired.

The Jewish author Marcus Eli Ravage did note a few pre-modern Jewish 
activities against their hosts, beyond the obvious financial and 
corruption angles, in one of the numbers of the _Century_ magazine back 
in 1928, but it was something that the Americans didn't want to hear 
because of stupid religious prejudices.

Happy equinox,

-- 


Kevin Alfred Strom

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                  http://www.natall.com/


From ka_strom@ix.netcom.com Thu Sep 19 07:40:57 PDT 1996
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From: Kevin Alfred Strom 
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Subject: Re: Nazism v. Communism
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Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
> ...
> 
> Then refresh the group memory, Whitaker. Quote us someone -- besides
> yourself, of course -- who has _actually_ called you 'A Nazi Who Wants To
> Kill Six Million Jews'. Would it be 'inconvenient' for you to provide some
> evidence to back up your rant?...
> 
> Can you provide one real-world example of this?
> 
> << insert SFX: crickets >>
> 
> JGB...


The exact phrase, as might be expected, is not used here, but it does 
amount to the same accusation:


---begin quoted message from patrickc@Direct.CA---

Subject:      Re: Boy, The Hatred is Real!
From:         patrickc@Direct.CA (Cthulhu)
Date:         1996/05/18
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In article <4nlcf7$mgb@molokini.conterra.com>, bob whitaker 
 wrote:
>sh11@ix.netcom.com wrote:
>> 
>> I wonder where all this Hatred comes from? Can someone feel me in? 
>>I might not be smart enough to figure it out!
>
>   Al Capp, who did the "Lil Abner" comic strip, described 
>himself as "A liberal New York City Jew'.  His comic strip made 
>fun of hillbillies, and for eyars he made fun of the John Birch 
>Society, big busness, the Klan, and all the other standard 
>targets.  He got objections.
>    But then, in the 1960's, he made fun of The Love 
>Generation, the hippies, and the poltiical left.  He said he 
>was aghast.  Capp said he had never really seen true hatred 
>until he riculed some leftists, and they hit him with the real 
>thing, raw.
>     Since you capitalize Hatred, I guess you mean the 
>Politically Correct, establishment media use of the term: i.e., 
>referring only to someone who is not Politically Correct.  But 
>you have never run into true hatred until you have contradicted 
>these people who claim to represent Love.

You will never experience true hatred until you, like Bob Whitaker, ally 
yourself with the NAZI FILTH that is ROTTING OUR SOCIETY.  These are 
people who BEAT PEOPLE TO DEATH, KILL THEM IN THE  STREETS, BURN THEIR 
HOMES and SHOOT THEM for disagreements. I am referring to the Heritage 
Front, the Aryan Nations and the KKK. These are the people that Mister 
Whitaker is allying himself with. 

---end quoted message from patrickc@Direct.CA---


Couldn't get much clearer than that.

With all good wishes for the Autumnal Equinox,

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From: Kevin Alfred Strom 
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Here is a message from a few months back which lends substance to Mr. 
Whitaker's thesis:

---begin quoted message from finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca---

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bob whitaker  wrote:

[edit]

>    Yousay anyone who opposes you is a Nazi, and then you don't 
>want me to point out that this is the standard establishment crap?
>    Fat chance.

You say that your ideological brethren like Les Griswold just
do the Nazi salute because their triceps don't get a good
enough workout during the course of their regular daily routines?
Fat chance, indeed.

---begin quoted message from finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca---

It seems that the accusation and the inference that Mr. Whitaker is 
allied, attached, or somehow equivalent to "nazis" has indeed been used 
as an argument against him.

With happy equinox wishes,

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From ka_strom@ix.netcom.com Fri Sep 20 10:53:42 PDT 1996
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From: Kevin Alfred Strom 
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_Common Sense_ was a patriotic publication in the United States edited by 
Conde McGinley and financed at least in part by Jewish dissident Benjamin 
H. Freedman, who was the principal owner of the Woodbury Soap Company.

As far as I know, it was published mainly in the 1950s and 1960s. I have 
no copies, but would be very interested in purchasing a set of these 
should they ever become available.

With all good wishes,

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Kevin Alfred Strom

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Andy Walton wrote:
> 
> In article <32390F08.49A7@ix.netcom.com>, Kevin Alfred Strom
>  wrote:
> ...
>   :Clearly such a person would be of predominantly African descent, perhaps
>   :even more so than the average Black in America.
> 
> Clearly. But is that relevant? You gave "self-description" as the
> criterion. If you're going to override that, what standard will you apply?
> 


The case of a Black person claiming to be White is obviously in the 
category of a kook case which (along with borderline cases or genuine 
disputes), as I said, could safely be ignored or handled by the courts, 
just as similar things are handled in all civilized countries.



>   :Even you have speculated that you and I (!) might agree 99 per cent. of
>   :the time on this "who is White" issue, which is a far greater degree of
>   :certainty than that which surrounds some other legal issues.
> 
> I said that you and I might agree upon seeing someone across a room; that
> superficial judgment is easy. We'd both, undoubtedly, mistake a lot of
> Jews, porn actors, etc. for "white." Superficial judgments are easy. Using
> them to determine a person's legal status is an entirely different matter.
> 


The disagreements and errors would be miniscule, as you have obliquely 
admitted time and again. Decisions made in the presence of a far less 
sure national consensus include the guilt of O. J. Simpson and the 
dropping of American bombs on Middle Eastern and Vietnamese villages, 
each of which had social, legal, and life-changing (or life-ending) 
consequences.



>   :In fact, the current regime in occupied Washington makes many legal
>   :determinations based on perceived race or racial self-description. A few
>   :that I can think of are contract "set-asides," "EEO," "Affirmative
>   :Action," gerrymandering of political districts, and racial preferences in
>   :broadcast licensing. There are many serious problems with these programs
>   :and activities, but racial definition is not one of them.
> 
> Valid point. I assume that I couldn't claim minority status, but I don't
> know what standards they would apply to override my self-description.
> 
> Be that as it may, the circumstances are not comparable; racial
> self-identification in the present-day U.S. is used to determine
> eligibility for certain programs. No person is wholly deprived of life,
> liberty, or property based on that distinction.
> 


I don't propose to deprive anyone of life, liberty, or property. I 
propose to give each people the opportunity for self-determination which 
the current multiracial "democracy" denies them. Those who prefer 
multiracial "democracy" can keep it, too, though they would no longer be 
able to prevent separatists from opting out of the system.




>   :> If you're going to override that self-identification, there must be some
>   :> standard, right? This is coming back to the "I know it when I see it.
>   :> Trust me." argument again, isn't it?
>   :
>   :Not really. I suppose the 1 per cent. of questionable or clearly kook
>   :cases could just be ignored with little harm to the Republic, but most
>   :likely they would be decided by the court system, just as all legal
>   :issues are decided in most nations.
> 
> Courts interpret law. Laws that are unsuitably vague, they reject entirely.
> 


It seems very unlikely to me that the courts of the new state would find 
racial definitions impossible or irremediably void for vagueness, unless 
the benches continued to be occupied by the current crew of miscreants -- 
 which I find equally unbelievable. 



>   :> How so? Could it be that you're introducing another out to allow yourself
>   :> to be as arbitrary as you wish? If you're forced to adopt a clear standard
>   :> for whiteness, you've still got the out of declaring any behavior you
>   :> don't like to be detrimental to the white race.
>   :> ...
>   :
>   :All nations have behavioral standards.
> 
> Which are not the same as laws. "Standards" can be as vague as you want
> them, and can shift with the wind. Vague laws put excessive power in the
> hands of those charged with enforcing them, and are a prescription for a
> police state.
> ...


All nations have behavioral standards, and, unless insane, have laws 
which reflect those behavioral standards. This applies to the Chippewa 
nation every bit as much as to the proposed White American nation. 
Whether some laws of said nations are vague or might be vague at some 
time in the future seems rather a long reach for an argument.

With happy equinox wishes,

-- 


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From ka_strom@ix.netcom.com Fri Sep 20 10:56:47 PDT 1996
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Andy Walton wrote:
> 
> In article <32390F08.49A7@ix.netcom.com>, Kevin Alfred Strom
>  wrote:
> ...
>   :Clearly such a person would be of predominantly African descent, perhaps
>   :even more so than the average Black in America.
> 
> Clearly. But is that relevant? You gave "self-description" as the
> criterion. If you're going to override that, what standard will you apply?
> 


The case of a Black person claiming to be White is obviously in the 
category of a kook case which (along with borderline cases or genuine 
disputes), as I said, could safely be ignored or handled by the courts, 
just as similar things are handled in all civilized countries.



>   :Even you have speculated that you and I (!) might agree 99 per cent. of
>   :the time on this "who is White" issue, which is a far greater degree of
>   :certainty than that which surrounds some other legal issues.
> 
> I said that you and I might agree upon seeing someone across a room; that
> superficial judgment is easy. We'd both, undoubtedly, mistake a lot of
> Jews, porn actors, etc. for "white." Superficial judgments are easy. Using
> them to determine a person's legal status is an entirely different matter.
> 


The disagreements and errors would be miniscule, as you have obliquely 
admitted time and again. Decisions made in the presence of a far less 
sure national consensus include the guilt of O. J. Simpson and the 
dropping of American bombs on Middle Eastern and Vietnamese villages, 
each of which had social, legal, and life-changing (or life-ending) 
consequences.



>   :In fact, the current regime in occupied Washington makes many legal
>   :determinations based on perceived race or racial self-description. A few
>   :that I can think of are contract "set-asides," "EEO," "Affirmative
>   :Action," gerrymandering of political districts, and racial preferences in
>   :broadcast licensing. There are many serious problems with these programs
>   :and activities, but racial definition is not one of them.
> 
> Valid point. I assume that I couldn't claim minority status, but I don't
> know what standards they would apply to override my self-description.
> 
> Be that as it may, the circumstances are not comparable; racial
> self-identification in the present-day U.S. is used to determine
> eligibility for certain programs. No person is wholly deprived of life,
> liberty, or property based on that distinction.
> 


I don't propose to deprive anyone of life, liberty, or property. I 
propose to give each people the opportunity for self-determination which 
the current multiracial "democracy" denies them. Those who prefer 
multiracial "democracy" can keep it, too, though they would no longer be 
able to prevent separatists from opting out of the system.




>   :> If you're going to override that self-identification, there must be some
>   :> standard, right? This is coming back to the "I know it when I see it.
>   :> Trust me." argument again, isn't it?
>   :
>   :Not really. I suppose the 1 per cent. of questionable or clearly kook
>   :cases could just be ignored with little harm to the Republic, but most
>   :likely they would be decided by the court system, just as all legal
>   :issues are decided in most nations.
> 
> Courts interpret law. Laws that are unsuitably vague, they reject entirely.
> 


It seems very unlikely to me that the courts of the new state would find 
racial definitions impossible or irremediably void for vagueness, unless 
the benches continued to be occupied by the current crew of miscreants -- 
 which I find equally unbelievable. 



>   :> How so? Could it be that you're introducing another out to allow yourself
>   :> to be as arbitrary as you wish? If you're forced to adopt a clear standard
>   :> for whiteness, you've still got the out of declaring any behavior you
>   :> don't like to be detrimental to the white race.
>   :> ...
>   :
>   :All nations have behavioral standards.
> 
> Which are not the same as laws. "Standards" can be as vague as you want
> them, and can shift with the wind. Vague laws put excessive power in the
> hands of those charged with enforcing them, and are a prescription for a
> police state.
> ...


All nations have behavioral standards, and, unless insane, have laws 
which reflect those behavioral standards. This applies to the Chippewa 
nation every bit as much as to the proposed White American nation. 
Whether some laws of said nations are vague or might be vague at some 
time in the future seems rather a long reach for an argument.

With happy equinox wishes,

-- 


Kevin Alfred Strom

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From ka_strom@ix.netcom.com Fri Sep 20 16:17:40 PDT 1996
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Laura Finsten wrote:
> 
> Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote:...
> >> >Jews are a peculiar hybrid people, and in practical fact can be any one
> >> >of many different racial mixes. That they have group tendencies and
> >> >characteristics (like susceptibility to certain diseases) does show some
> >> >degree of racial kinship between Jews who, to our eyes, appear to be of
> >> >divergent racial stocks.
> 
> >> So if I were to convert to Judaism, would I undergo some kind of strange
> >> genetic transformation and become a "hybrid", Mr. Strom?
> 
> >The description I used, "hybrid people," necessarily implies the
> >possibility of intermarriage and conversion.
> 
> Well, intermarriage and conversion are common among members of all
> Christian religious sects, as well, are they not, Mr. Strom?  I
> really don't understand the significance of your comment.
> 


The Jews, just as I said, are a peculiar hybrid people who have lived, 
for as long as they have been known to history, by planting their 
colonies in other people's lands and living as a small cohesive minority 
there. They have maintained a degree of genetic unity (as evidenced by 
group susceptibility to certain diseases), despite sufficient 
intermarriage to make visual identification of them often difficult, 
whatever the host society.



> >> >Is it not natural that, living as aliens in many lands, such a people
> >> >would try to break down the normal kinship-based societal structures of
> >> >their hosts?
> 
> >> No, it is "not natural" at all.  This is rather a better description
> >> of the historical situations in which large, powerful groups with
> >> territorial designs have dealt with local inhabitants.  Examples
> >> include Africa and North America under colonial rule.
> 
> >Oh, sure, I suppose that other peoples have used such a tactic from time
> >to time. In another message I posted today I described its use against
> >Amerinds by American missionaries and government agents.
> 
> >But even the old-time sleazebags in occupied Washington never tried to
> >make a religion/moral paradigm out of "anti-racism."
> 
> Who was responsible for the first affirmative action (or equal
> opportunity or whatever you call it) legislation in the US?  Who was
> in power when the Civil Rights Amendment (or whatever it was called)
> was passed?
> 


In the United States, the NAACP and the B'nai B'rith, both founded by 
Jews, were very active in the promotion of the so-called "civil rights" 
legislation, which was eventually signed by a non-Jew named Lyndon Baines 
Johnson, who was employed as President of the United States.

The influence of the media at that time also should not be ignored. The 
television networks, whose powers of persuasion can hardly be overstated, 
were all solidly in favor of "civil rights" (that is, the criminalization 
of freedom of association), and, by some strange coincidence, the 
heads of (and in fact the founders of) ABC, CBS, and NBC at the time were 
Goldenson, Paley, and Sarnoff, whose ancestors hailed a very long way 
indeed from Tipperary.

Around the same period of time, the criminal politicians also enacted a 
bill sponsored by Jewish congressman Emanuel Celler which repealed the 
long-standing immigration controls that had helped maintain the European 
genetic character of the United States population. See the excellent book 
by _Forbes_ editor Peter Brimelow, _Alien Nation_, for more information 
on this.



> >> >Is it not natural that they would promote "religious" and
> >> >pseudo-scientific justifications for a new moral paradigm in which
> >> >"racism" is the ultimate evil? It may be that such behavior is not
> >> >entirely at the conscious level.
> 
> >> "Religious justifications"?  Are you suggesting that it is only
> >> the Jewish interpretation of the Old Testament that results in
> >> a moral order in which acceptance of others is considered to be
> >> a good thing?  That this is *not* a part of any Christian doctrine?
> 
> >In their own religious texts, the Jews don't appear to me to be
> >particularly accepting of others.
> 
> Nor do Christians, if you assume that all Christians adhere verbatim
> to the text of the bible.  Most do not, however, interpret every line
> of it literally.  Why do you assume that Jews do?  In fact, my limited
> understanding of Jewish traditions tells me that debating the meaning
> of religious texts is a major part of religious learning.
> 


Some take it literally; some reject it entirely.

But since they wrote it and since it is central to their religion in all 
its sects and variations, I think it is fair to use it, along with their 
other texts and traditions, when evaluating their contributions to our 
world.



> >If you are really interested, I could quote the "Old Testament" at length
> >on the evils of intermarriage with non-Jews and the necessity of
> >exterminating the enemies of the Jewish people; and the Talmud goes on
> >and on about the different moral codes to be followed when dealing with
> >the goyim as opposed to one's fellow Jews.
> 
> Oh you've studied the Talmud, have you?
> 


The Talmud, of which I have read only a fraction, contains some of the 
most bizarre superstitions, sexual obsessions, and ethnocentric 
maunderings that I have ever seen. A good summary of the dual code of 
morality espoused there is in Jewish scholar Israel Shahak's _Jewish 
History, Jewish Religion: The Weight of 3000 Years_, with a foreword by 
Gore Vidal. I think it is published by Pluto Press in Britain.



> >When they vend a new religion to the Gentiles, however, such as
> >Christianity, or "diversity," or the "Holocaust" religion; the moral
> 
> You really hate Jews, don't you.  Once you peel away the layers, I hate
> to say it, but this is the common thread linking all you white power
> folks: a virulent, irrational hatred of Jews that makes it all too
> easy to believe that Holocaust could happen.
> 


No, even with all that organized Jewry has done and is doing to my 
people, I can't say that I hate all Jews.

I've devoted many hours of my radio program to the works of Jewish author 
Benjamin Freedman, for example, and I am in intellectual debt to other 
Jewish dissidents.

If Jews confined their power-seeking activities to their own country, I 
would have no quarrel with them and would probably think of them no more 
often than I do the residents of the United Arab Emirates.

But I do think that allowing this cohesive minority to hold such vast 
power in America is not in the best interest of Americans. Their 
interests are not always our interests; and this is particularly true 
when it comes to the issue of race. Their mode of life has led them to be 
natural cosmopolitans, and they see the heel of the Czar in every kind of 
nationalism or racialism which might define them as "different." They 
know they are "different," and hence they advocate religions and 
philosophies and policies for Gentiles which make "diversity" a fetish 
and a god, and tend to demonize the idea of a kinship-based society among 
their hosts.

By doing these things, they threaten the very existence of my people.



....
> 
> You really hate Jews, don't you.  Once you peel away the layers...
> For some reason, today I just can't read this bilious, hate-filled (yes,
> Mr. Whitaker, I used the H-word) garbage with any detachment...
> 
> [...]
> 
> >Gypsies, so far as I know, have not attained positions of control over
> >any nation's mass media; nor have they succeeded in powerfully
> >influencing the governments of their host nations in their favor; nor
> >have they presumed to lecture their host peoples on morality; nor have
> >they tried to break down the bonds of kinship that were the basis of
> >those societies; nor have they tried to convince other races that race
> >does not exist.
> 
> "host people"   Jews in America are not Americans in your mind, are
> they Mr. Strom.  They are Jews first and foremost, and that is why
> you can say that they have no right to develop an industry from scratch
> ("the entertainment bit"), no right to a voice in government, to positions
> in academic or other institutions...  It all sounds too familiar...
> "If I can't dance..... I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>      Emma Goldman


Of course, they have a perfect right to develop and control any industry 
they like in their own nation, just as the Turks and Jamaicans do. They 
have a right to a controlling voice in government -- their government. 
They have a right to academic positions -- in their universities.

My people deserve our own government also. Without that, there is no 
freedom, not even survival. All there is is submersion in, as Charles 
Lindbergh put it, "a limitless foreign sea."

It is time for our nations to divorce and go our separate ways. It is in 
our power to do this peacefully.

With happy equinox wishes,

-- 


Kevin Alfred Strom

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From ka_strom@ix.netcom.com Fri Sep 20 18:58:01 PDT 1996
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From: Kevin Alfred Strom 
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_Common Sense_ was a patriotic publication in the United States edited by 
Conde McGinley and financed at least in part by Jewish dissident Benjamin 
H. Freedman, who was the principal owner of the Woodbury Soap Company.

As far as I know, it was published mainly in the 1950s and 1960s. I have 
no copies, but would be very interested in purchasing a set of these 
should they ever become available.

With all good wishes,

-- 


Kevin Alfred Strom

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From ka_strom@ix.netcom.com Fri Sep 20 18:58:02 PDT 1996
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Andy Walton wrote:
> 
> In article <32390F08.49A7@ix.netcom.com>, Kevin Alfred Strom
>  wrote:
> ...
>   :Clearly such a person would be of predominantly African descent, perhaps
>   :even more so than the average Black in America.
> 
> Clearly. But is that relevant? You gave "self-description" as the
> criterion. If you're going to override that, what standard will you apply?
> 


The case of a Black person claiming to be White is obviously in the 
category of a kook case which (along with borderline cases or genuine 
disputes), as I said, could safely be ignored or handled by the courts, 
just as similar things are handled in all civilized countries.



>   :Even you have speculated that you and I (!) might agree 99 per cent. of
>   :the time on this "who is White" issue, which is a far greater degree of
>   :certainty than that which surrounds some other legal issues.
> 
> I said that you and I might agree upon seeing someone across a room; that
> superficial judgment is easy. We'd both, undoubtedly, mistake a lot of
> Jews, porn actors, etc. for "white." Superficial judgments are easy. Using
> them to determine a person's legal status is an entirely different matter.
> 


The disagreements and errors would be miniscule, as you have obliquely 
admitted time and again. Decisions made in the presence of a far less 
sure national consensus include the guilt of O. J. Simpson and the 
dropping of American bombs on Middle Eastern and Vietnamese villages, 
each of which had social, legal, and life-changing (or life-ending) 
consequences.



>   :In fact, the current regime in occupied Washington makes many legal
>   :determinations based on perceived race or racial self-description. A few
>   :that I can think of are contract "set-asides," "EEO," "Affirmative
>   :Action," gerrymandering of political districts, and racial preferences in
>   :broadcast licensing. There are many serious problems with these programs
>   :and activities, but racial definition is not one of them.
> 
> Valid point. I assume that I couldn't claim minority status, but I don't
> know what standards they would apply to override my self-description.
> 
> Be that as it may, the circumstances are not comparable; racial
> self-identification in the present-day U.S. is used to determine
> eligibility for certain programs. No person is wholly deprived of life,
> liberty, or property based on that distinction.
> 


I don't propose to deprive anyone of life, liberty, or property. I 
propose to give each people the opportunity for self-determination which 
the current multiracial "democracy" denies them. Those who prefer 
multiracial "democracy" can keep it, too, though they would no longer be 
able to prevent separatists from opting out of the system.




>   :> If you're going to override that self-identification, there must be some
>   :> standard, right? This is coming back to the "I know it when I see it.
>   :> Trust me." argument again, isn't it?
>   :
>   :Not really. I suppose the 1 per cent. of questionable or clearly kook
>   :cases could just be ignored with little harm to the Republic, but most
>   :likely they would be decided by the court system, just as all legal
>   :issues are decided in most nations.
> 
> Courts interpret law. Laws that are unsuitably vague, they reject entirely.
> 


It seems very unlikely to me that the courts of the new state would find 
racial definitions impossible or irremediably void for vagueness, unless 
the benches continued to be occupied by the current crew of miscreants -- 
 which I find equally unbelievable. 



>   :> How so? Could it be that you're introducing another out to allow yourself
>   :> to be as arbitrary as you wish? If you're forced to adopt a clear standard
>   :> for whiteness, you've still got the out of declaring any behavior you
>   :> don't like to be detrimental to the white race.
>   :> ...
>   :
>   :All nations have behavioral standards.
> 
> Which are not the same as laws. "Standards" can be as vague as you want
> them, and can shift with the wind. Vague laws put excessive power in the
> hands of those charged with enforcing them, and are a prescription for a
> police state.
> ...


All nations have behavioral standards, and, unless insane, have laws 
which reflect those behavioral standards. This applies to the Chippewa 
nation every bit as much as to the proposed White American nation. 
Whether some laws of said nations are vague or might be vague at some 
time in the future seems rather a long reach for an argument.

With happy equinox wishes,

-- 


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Laura Finsten wrote:
> 
> Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote:...
> >> >Jews are a peculiar hybrid people, and in practical fact can be any one
> >> >of many different racial mixes. That they have group tendencies and
> >> >characteristics (like susceptibility to certain diseases) does show some
> >> >degree of racial kinship between Jews who, to our eyes, appear to be of
> >> >divergent racial stocks.
> 
> >> So if I were to convert to Judaism, would I undergo some kind of strange
> >> genetic transformation and become a "hybrid", Mr. Strom?
> 
> >The description I used, "hybrid people," necessarily implies the
> >possibility of intermarriage and conversion.
> 
> Well, intermarriage and conversion are common among members of all
> Christian religious sects, as well, are they not, Mr. Strom?  I
> really don't understand the significance of your comment.
> 


The Jews, just as I said, are a peculiar hybrid people who have lived, 
for as long as they have been known to history, by planting their 
colonies in other people's lands and living as a small cohesive minority 
there. They have maintained a degree of genetic unity (as evidenced by 
group susceptibility to certain diseases), despite sufficient 
intermarriage to make visual identification of them often difficult, 
whatever the host society.



> >> >Is it not natural that, living as aliens in many lands, such a people
> >> >would try to break down the normal kinship-based societal structures of
> >> >their hosts?
> 
> >> No, it is "not natural" at all.  This is rather a better description
> >> of the historical situations in which large, powerful groups with
> >> territorial designs have dealt with local inhabitants.  Examples
> >> include Africa and North America under colonial rule.
> 
> >Oh, sure, I suppose that other peoples have used such a tactic from time
> >to time. In another message I posted today I described its use against
> >Amerinds by American missionaries and government agents.
> 
> >But even the old-time sleazebags in occupied Washington never tried to
> >make a religion/moral paradigm out of "anti-racism."
> 
> Who was responsible for the first affirmative action (or equal
> opportunity or whatever you call it) legislation in the US?  Who was
> in power when the Civil Rights Amendment (or whatever it was called)
> was passed?
> 


In the United States, the NAACP and the B'nai B'rith, both founded by 
Jews, were very active in the promotion of the so-called "civil rights" 
legislation, which was eventually signed by a non-Jew named Lyndon Baines 
Johnson, who was employed as President of the United States.

The influence of the media at that time also should not be ignored. The 
television networks, whose powers of persuasion can hardly be overstated, 
were all solidly in favor of "civil rights" (that is, the criminalization 
of freedom of association), and, by some strange coincidence, the 
heads of (and in fact the founders of) ABC, CBS, and NBC at the time were 
Goldenson, Paley, and Sarnoff, whose ancestors hailed a very long way 
indeed from Tipperary.

Around the same period of time, the criminal politicians also enacted a 
bill sponsored by Jewish congressman Emanuel Celler which repealed the 
long-standing immigration controls that had helped maintain the European 
genetic character of the United States population. See the excellent book 
by _Forbes_ editor Peter Brimelow, _Alien Nation_, for more information 
on this.



> >> >Is it not natural that they would promote "religious" and
> >> >pseudo-scientific justifications for a new moral paradigm in which
> >> >"racism" is the ultimate evil? It may be that such behavior is not
> >> >entirely at the conscious level.
> 
> >> "Religious justifications"?  Are you suggesting that it is only
> >> the Jewish interpretation of the Old Testament that results in
> >> a moral order in which acceptance of others is considered to be
> >> a good thing?  That this is *not* a part of any Christian doctrine?
> 
> >In their own religious texts, the Jews don't appear to me to be
> >particularly accepting of others.
> 
> Nor do Christians, if you assume that all Christians adhere verbatim
> to the text of the bible.  Most do not, however, interpret every line
> of it literally.  Why do you assume that Jews do?  In fact, my limited
> understanding of Jewish traditions tells me that debating the meaning
> of religious texts is a major part of religious learning.
> 


Some take it literally; some reject it entirely.

But since they wrote it and since it is central to their religion in all 
its sects and variations, I think it is fair to use it, along with their 
other texts and traditions, when evaluating their contributions to our 
world.



> >If you are really interested, I could quote the "Old Testament" at length
> >on the evils of intermarriage with non-Jews and the necessity of
> >exterminating the enemies of the Jewish people; and the Talmud goes on
> >and on about the different moral codes to be followed when dealing with
> >the goyim as opposed to one's fellow Jews.
> 
> Oh you've studied the Talmud, have you?
> 


The Talmud, of which I have read only a fraction, contains some of the 
most bizarre superstitions, sexual obsessions, and ethnocentric 
maunderings that I have ever seen. A good summary of the dual code of 
morality espoused there is in Jewish scholar Israel Shahak's _Jewish 
History, Jewish Religion: The Weight of 3000 Years_, with a foreword by 
Gore Vidal. I think it is published by Pluto Press in Britain.



> >When they vend a new religion to the Gentiles, however, such as
> >Christianity, or "diversity," or the "Holocaust" religion; the moral
> 
> You really hate Jews, don't you.  Once you peel away the layers, I hate
> to say it, but this is the common thread linking all you white power
> folks: a virulent, irrational hatred of Jews that makes it all too
> easy to believe that Holocaust could happen.
> 


No, even with all that organized Jewry has done and is doing to my 
people, I can't say that I hate all Jews.

I've devoted many hours of my radio program to the works of Jewish author 
Benjamin Freedman, for example, and I am in intellectual debt to other 
Jewish dissidents.

If Jews confined their power-seeking activities to their own country, I 
would have no quarrel with them and would probably think of them no more 
often than I do the residents of the United Arab Emirates.

But I do think that allowing this cohesive minority to hold such vast 
power in America is not in the best interest of Americans. Their 
interests are not always our interests; and this is particularly true 
when it comes to the issue of race. Their mode of life has led them to be 
natural cosmopolitans, and they see the heel of the Czar in every kind of 
nationalism or racialism which might define them as "different." They 
know they are "different," and hence they advocate religions and 
philosophies and policies for Gentiles which make "diversity" a fetish 
and a god, and tend to demonize the idea of a kinship-based society among 
their hosts.

By doing these things, they threaten the very existence of my people.



....
> 
> You really hate Jews, don't you.  Once you peel away the layers...
> For some reason, today I just can't read this bilious, hate-filled (yes,
> Mr. Whitaker, I used the H-word) garbage with any detachment...
> 
> [...]
> 
> >Gypsies, so far as I know, have not attained positions of control over
> >any nation's mass media; nor have they succeeded in powerfully
> >influencing the governments of their host nations in their favor; nor
> >have they presumed to lecture their host peoples on morality; nor have
> >they tried to break down the bonds of kinship that were the basis of
> >those societies; nor have they tried to convince other races that race
> >does not exist.
> 
> "host people"   Jews in America are not Americans in your mind, are
> they Mr. Strom.  They are Jews first and foremost, and that is why
> you can say that they have no right to develop an industry from scratch
> ("the entertainment bit"), no right to a voice in government, to positions
> in academic or other institutions...  It all sounds too familiar...
> "If I can't dance..... I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>      Emma Goldman


Of course, they have a perfect right to develop and control any industry 
they like in their own nation, just as the Turks and Jamaicans do. They 
have a right to a controlling voice in government -- their government. 
They have a right to academic positions -- in their universities.

My people deserve our own government also. Without that, there is no 
freedom, not even survival. All there is is submersion in, as Charles 
Lindbergh put it, "a limitless foreign sea."

It is time for our nations to divorce and go our separate ways. It is in 
our power to do this peacefully.

With happy equinox wishes,

-- 


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Here is more evidence that the "Whitaker is a nazi" "argument" has been 
used:


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MY EARLY YEARS, 1964-66
by Frank Forman
1996 February 3

John Ridpath's nasty review of Chris Sciabarra's
_Ayn Rand: The Russian Radical_ in the current
issue of _The Intellectual Activist_ brings back
some memories of college and graduate school
days. I knew Ridpath and his friend Northrup
Buechner [pronounced BEAK-ner, at least in those
days] during my final semester as an
undergraduate at the University of Virginia.
This was the second semester of the 1965-66
academic year.

I was a mathematics major and took most of the
graduate math courses U.Va. had to offer. But I
was getting sick of the endless piling of
abstraction upon abstraction but nevertheless
stuck it out. Midway through college, in the
Summer of 1964, Rooy Dent, a friend back in
Colorado Springs (where I had lived since I was
ten) gave me a copy of _Atlas Shrugged_ and said
"read a hundred pages a week and you'll be
finished by the end of the Summer." He didn't
say what the book was all about and for the
first two or three weeks I thought it was a
satire about whiners. But not long thereafter I
found out otherwise and got so hooked I read it
to the end, with time outs for my Summer job.

The upshot was that I became an Objectivist and
subscribed to _The Objectivist Newsletter_. This
lasted about a year, when I got into the
Colorado Springs network of Robert LeFevre [luh-
FAVE] and his Freedom School, a place where
businessmen went to attend one- and two-week
seminars to learn about freedom. (They had
lecturers like Milton Friedman, not hard to do
in those far more beleaguered days.) Before then
LeFevre had been editor of the editorial page of
the _Colorado Springs Gazette Telegraph_, one of
the Hoiles Freedom Newspaper chain,
headquartered in the then-infamous right-wing
Orange County, California. LeFevre was an
anarchist and he, and his replacement at the _G-
T_, Cecil Grove, persuaded me to become an
anarchist, or more specifically, Bob's
philosophy, which he called "autarchy."

Bob had changed Freedom School into the more
grandiose sounding Rampart College and had put
together a faculty, two of whom were James J.
Martin (now 80 and living in Colorado Springs
and the author of _Men against the State_, still
the classic treatment of American anarchists)
and W.H. Hutt, the free-market South African
economist, who died a few years ago. Martin
stayed on until the end of Rampart College, but
when Hutt learned that Rampart College was not a
true college, he decided not to go (I don't know
whether he broke any contract) and instead went
to the University of Virginia, where he taught a
course in labor economics during my final
undergraduate semester.

As I said, I had gotten royally sick of math,
and so I went over to the economics department
and spoke to James M. Buchanan and Gordon
Tullock, two of the Founding Fathers of the
Public Choice school, about switching to
economics in graduate school. They encouraged me
to do so and I took Hutt's course, the only
economics course I had as an undergraduate,
though I read Mises' _Human Action_ and
Rothbard's much better _Man, Economy and State_,
as well as lot of lesser free-market economics
works. I got an A in Hutt's course, even though
with his thick South African accent and my
hearing loss I faded out after about ten minutes
in every class. (It was the *third* easiest A I
ever earned, for all I did was show up to class
and spent two hours looking over a book he
wanted us to read.) I also audited a course
taught by Leland Yeager (later and still the
Ludwig von Mises Professor of Economics at
Auburn University in Alabama) called Political
Economy. Yeager had all of us, including me,
write and read a paper to the class.

It was after the first class with Yeager that
Tom Ireland, then finishing his second year in
graduate economics, came up and introduced
himself to me, took me over to the student
union, and bought me a coke. (None of the math
graduate students were ever that friendly.) A
few days later, Tom spent almost a whole weekend
arguing me out of my Objectivism (anarchist
variety), by pointing out that Ayn Rand did not
ground morality successfully and in fact used
"man" in several distinct ways, something noted
regularly in this Newsgroup. Tom was an
amoralist, and as I could not respond to his
arguments, I gave up my pretensions to knowing
true morality. This was seven years after I gave
up, at age 14, my belief in god in response to a
similar challenge to justify my beliefs.

Tom said that I must get to know another
graduate student, then in his third year, Bob
Whitaker. Bob definitely thought that blacks
were inferior to whites and presented another
argument against Objectivism: what good would an
Objectivist society be if were made up solely of
[[TABOO WORD DELETED!!-The Internet Monster]]. I
had no answer to that, given his
characterization of the ability of blacks.
(Later I went to the big university library to
see what evidence there was on the question. I
found no evidence that the races were equal in
innate mental ability and recently started a
thread, cross-posted to a great many Newsgroups
to see if there is any evidence my search at the
U.Va. library and subsequent reading failed to
uncover. If you've been following this thread,
you know how heated the responses have been! I
did NOT have to learn about premise-checking
>from  Ayn Rand.)

Tom introduced me to Ridpath and Buechner, then
also in their second year in graduate school,
though they did not get their doctorates intil
1974 and 1971, resp. (I didn't get mine until
1985 and then from George Mason University under
Buchanan, but that's another long story.) These
two Objectivists found my premise-checking
intolerable and so no conversations were
forthcoming after the first. (Buechner said to
me, when I brought up Bob, "Whitaker is
irrelevant." I repeated that comment to Bob, and
he was delighted.)

Tom later told me that when he asked Ridpath and
Buechner about the morality of abortion, they
hemmed and hawed and had to write to Ayn Rand to
get the answer! Talk about a bunch of second-
handers, just like Dr. Pea Cough. I must say,
though, that I have a certain admiration for the
sheer persistence of the two, since they are
still Objectivists, Pea Coughers even, and will
be giving lectures at the upcoming Second
Renaissance Conference. (Ridpath is eminently
recognizable from his photograph in the flyer
for the Conference. He is the second handsomest
Objectivist, save only Frank O'Connor himself.)

I had forgotten R&B more or less, until Tom came
to me and asked that I support him in his bid to
be elected president of the John Randolph
Society, a sort of Young Conservatives, i.e., to
the right of the Young Republicans. This Society
was quite prestigious at U.Va., much more so
than the Young Republicans, and had sponsored a
good many lectures. (U.Va. was one of the last
"conformist" schools; today it is as politically
correct as any of them.) [[SO WHO'S THE
CONFORMIST??]]

Now Ridpath was also running for the presidency
of the John Randolph Society. During the
election, Buechner got up and said, roughly,
"Ireland knows Whitaker, who is a Nazi. Whitaker
says he would shoot President Johnson if doing
so would further his Nazi aims. Now Ireland said
he would stop Whitaker from shooting Johnson, if
able to do so. But I don't believe Ireland would
in fact stop Whitaker. Therefore, vote for
Ridpath." My memory is a little unclear after
nearly thirty years, but that is the gist of it,
to the best of my recollection.

As you might imagine, Ireland won the election.
As things turned out, Tom did not stay for his
third year at U.Va. (In the Ph.D. program, the
first two years are spent on courses, which most
complete, and the third year on the
dissertation, which few complete in a single
year.) Instead, he got a teaching job at Loyola
University in Chicago and his wife a fellowship
at the University of Chicago Law School (quite
an honor, since law school fellowships then were
extremely rare, as opposed to graduate school
fellowships, like mine from the National Science
Foundation).

Meanwhile one of Objectivists told the Secret
Service of an assassination plot against
Johnson. They duly came to investigate at the
economics department, which Yeager took all-too-
seriously. He was then in charge of the graduate
economics program and called me into his office.
Knowing I was a friend of Ireland, he tried to
discourage me for entering graduate school that
Fall and explained to me the graduate school did
not want any "ideologues." I assured him that I
was not an "ideologue" and was *not* an
Objectivist trouble-maker. He was distinctly
uncomfortable with this whole business and his
hands turned blue as he was talking to me. But
he wrote the dean of the graduate school to
rescind my admission. (Not just anyone can get
admitted to graduate school with no completed
undergraduate courses in the subject under their
belt, but U.Va. was different. I pretty much had
the run of the place as an undergraduate and
took graduate courses, starting my first year,
in math and philosophy (a course in symbolic
logic, which got me my easiest A; the second
easiest, to make it complete, was a math course
in the "topology of fiber bundles," but whose
take-home final could have been done by someone
who had had only the basic first-year graduate
math courses. It took me all of half an hour to
do. Wierd.) as well as in English (second year)
and, under Hutt, economics. Would that other
colleges trust the lowly consumer to know what
he wants!). But Buchanan intervened with a
letter calling me an "erratic genius" and asking
that I be admitted. The dean compromised, just
saying I had to get a 3.2 (out of 4) average
that last semester. (The reason I know all this
is that Sarah took a job in the graduate school
office shortly after we got married between
semesters of my second year in graduate school
and found these letters in the files.)

To follow up, the John Randolph Society simply
lapsed, though in my *second* year in graduate
school (1967-68) I took it over and got it
affiliated with the Intercollegiate Society of
Individualists (later renamed the
Intercollegiate Studies Institute, much more
conservative than libertarian). I got the ISI to
sponsor a seminar on Man and Property in the
Spring of 1968. We brought the great Mises there
and well as James Jackson Kilpatrick, then a
columnist for the Richmond _News Leader_; it was
his first invited visit to U.Va. Also speaking
was Alfred Avins, who gave a good talk about how
the Reconstruction Era civil rights laws *only*
gave freedmen the right to belong to *civil*
society, i.e., to make contracts, something
denied them as slaves. (The Supreme Court paid
no heed to history and interpreted these laws as
mandating *restrictions* on freedom of contract
in the name of non-discrimination.) I plum
forgot who the fourth speaker was, until Sarah
just reminded me that it was Paul Craig Roberts,
now a conservative/libertarian columnist.

Sarah and I got to eat dinner next to Prof. and
Mrs. Mises. I just remember him as quite
dogmatic, but then old men often are, and so was
Ayn Rand as she got older and Nathaniel Branden
purged nearly everyone who was not a young
sycophant, like Mr. (as he was then) Pea Cough.
How dogmatic Miss Rand was along, I don't know,
for I don't know how old she was when (so I
read) when she was attacking a Christian for
being irrational at some gathering or other,
Mises later upbraided her for being "too
Jewish."

Anyhow, some history you're unlikely to get from
any other source. I doubt either Ridpath or
Buechner even remember me today, and it is
highly unlikely that they tried to get Yeager to
keep me from entering graduate school. But let
this serve as a warning to you. You are unlikely
to have get a wife with a job where the files
happen to be. And had Yeager succeeded in
keeping me out of graduate school--I'm don't see
how he could have had anything at all against me
personally--I would be completely in the dark.

I open up this thread to a discussion of the
morality, and fundamental decency, of any
"Objectivist" who would call up the Secret
Service in a case like this.

Or is it that, when it comes to Objectivism, the
end justifies the means?

Frank

---end quoted message from forman@netcom.com---

The evidence is clear: several people, at least, have tried to discredit 
Mr. Whitaker with the synthetic smear word "nazi."

With all good wishes,

-- 


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From ka_strom@ix.netcom.com Sat Sep 21 10:40:07 PDT 1996
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Mr. Ourobouros certainly provoked a chorus of squeaks from the hamster 
cage tonight!

One of the things that the Niz-kids like to do, in addition to archiving 
the writings of dissidents for possible future use, is to archive the 
responses to those posts -- but only when these responses seem (to the 
Niz-kids, presumably) particularly damaging to the reputation or point of 
view of a particular dissident. As far as I can tell, replies to 
dissidents are not routinely archived by them.

These special files are separate from the archive files of the 
dissident's posts, and to see his or her replies to them involves a 
moderately laborious search process, switching back and forth between 
what are usually rather large files.

What Mr. Ourobouros said was:

"For reference:

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/nyms/stone/cavalli-sforza-fabrication

For all onlookers please note that McVay has this specially marked and
without my reply."

Ourobouros didn't say that his replies were not archived elsewhere -- he 
said that (emphasis mine) "McVay has _this_ specially marked and without 
my reply."

Deja News is a lot more fun, and threads can usually be followed in their 
entirety without a Niz-kid to selectively edit them for you.

With happy equinox wishes,

-- 


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From ka_strom@ix.netcom.com Sat Sep 21 10:58:20 PDT 1996
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From: Kevin Alfred Strom 
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Laura Finsten wrote:
> 
> Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote:
> 
> >When group B occupies group A's territory, there is a commonly understood
> >word for such action: it is called invasion. Invasions can, and not
> >infrequently do, lead to exterminations or extinctions -- in postwar
> >jargon, genocide.
> 
> You are confusing migration with invasion, Mr. Strom (and Mr. Whitaker),
> and both of you are intelligent enough to realise that you are doing so.
> I can only conclude, therefore, that you are doing this purposefully.
> When a person moves from location A to location B, this is called
> migration.  When I moved to my present city of residence, I migrated.
> I did so lawfully.  I crossed an international border in the process.
> This is exactly what is happening on a somewhat larger scale with the
> processes that you are equating, utterly falsely, with "invasion".
> 
> Do you consider yourself an "invader" in Hawai'i, Mr. Whitaker?  I
> assume that is where you live, since you website is on an ISP there.
> 
> I have no doubt that neither of you would consider the massive migrations
> in the last half of the 19th century by Irish to have been invasions.
> And yet Irish immigrants were met by WASP Americans with exactly the same
> racist bilge, and stereotypes, that you now reserve for immigrants who, gasp,
> have skin shades darker than your own.
> 
> Invasion is a forceful, military action.  Get real, you two.
> 


Invasion need not involve force or military action; it can be an entrance 
into territory with the intent to occupy (have you ever read any 
"Hispanic" literature on the subject of "la Raza" or "la Reconquista" or 
"el Plan de Aztlan"?); or the intrusion of something hurtful or 
disagreeable (have you ever been to Washington, DC?).

You are intelligent enough to know that.



....
> 
> >Their world government will be, and to a large degree already is, an
> >authority and power to which all will swear allegiance or suffer the fate
> >of the Iraqi foot soldiers who obeyed the UN orders a bit too slowly for
> >George Bush's liking, and had to be burned alive by the tens of thousands
> > -- as they retreated -- in a very real holocaust engineered by Fortune
> >500 aerospace, chemical, and Silicon Valley corporations. Their world
> >government will be an authority from which it will be impossible to hide
> >anywhere on the planet.
> 
> Yeah, you care a lot about Iraqis, don't you.  As long as you can use
> the horrors perpetrated against them to your own sick political purposes,
> that is.
> 


Just because I do not wish to give my country to Mideasterners, it does 
not necessarily follow that I wish them harm or that I am not outraged at 
the horrors that "my" government perpetated against them, using money 
extorted from me on the pretense of providing for "national defense."

You really know little about me, and have no justification for making 
such assumptions. Since you are impugning my morals, I will state for the 
record that I abhor cruelty or the causing of any unnecessary harm or 
pain to any sentient being. Even to insects and "liberals," neither of 
which I will allow my sons to step on.



> >The "equality" ideologues and lickspittles, and their corporate and
> >foundation and bureaucrat friends, have arranged for an invasion of the
> >United States and virtually every White nation by many tens of millions
> >of alien races. They have dismantled the laws which formerly protected
> >the European genetic heritage of those nations, and have instituted new
> >laws criminalizing the natural, healthy reactions of Whites who oppose
> >the invasion. The engineers of the invasion know exactly what they are
> >doing, and expend huge sums justifying it in the media, the churches, and
> >the "educational" bureaucracy.
> 
> You really need to believe that your prejudices and stereotypes are
> "natural", don't you?
> ...


Dear Miss Finsten, I do not know what the cause is -- perhaps the stress 
of the beginning of classes -- but you seem more emotional and less 
intellectual than usual in the last few weeks.

It is really impossible to compose an answer to a rank speculation on 
what you imagine my "need to believe" might be, except to say that such 
speculation is not an argument for or against any position.

With all good wishes,
 
-- 


Kevin Alfred Strom

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From ka_strom@ix.netcom.com Sat Sep 21 10:58:21 PDT 1996
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To: John 

Dear John:

You stated that no one who "subscribes to the 'white power' movement" had 
an IQ over 60.

Now, a 60 IQ is slightly higher than that of warm toast and probably 
lower than even the Australoid average.

Perhaps you have, through some oversight, failed to see any of the 
messages I have posted to this newsgroup. You certainly have not debated 
me on any of the substantive issues I have brought to the participants 
here.

Just for fun, do a Usenet search at

http://www.dejanews.com/   or   http://www.altavista.digital.com/

and enter

ka_strom@ix.netcom.com

as a search string.

I am by no means claiming to possess a high IQ, but since you are certain 
that it must be under 60, it seems foolish of you to hide with Mr. Hooper 
and trade fourth-grade-level insults with him when you could so easily 
demolish the big bad racist with your brilliance.

Give it a try sometime.

With happy Autumnal Equinox wishes,

-- 


Kevin Alfred Strom

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There is more...

---begin quoted message from gusty@clark.net---

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bob whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
: If you will look at the Establishment Good Boys("anti-racists", 
: "anti-fascists" or whatever thy claim to be) you will notice 
: that anyone who has any concern for the survival of the white 
: race is labelled a Nazi.   

Working to harm or disenfranchise others and trying to abet public
hysteria because of one's own perverse obsession with the differences
between ethnic groups and the relative numbers of them in the 
world--yeah,
that nets one the epithet "Nazi". 

If the shoe fits . . . .

As for the founding fathers, if they were still alive and still kept 
slaves, then, yes, we would call them racists and have them imprisoned.

If the shoe fits . . . .

---end quoted message from gusty@clark.net---


Mr. Whitaker's thesis is stronger than ever.

Of course, the several examples I have cited could be multiplied manyfold 
if we expanded the application of the synthetic smear word "nazi" beyond 
Mr. Whitaker himself to any who hold "forbidden" opionions on the 
subjects of race or World War II.

With all good wishes,

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Laura Finsten wrote:
> 
> Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote:
> >Laura Finsten wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
> >> Invasion is a forceful, military action.  Get real, you two.
> 
> >Invasion need not involve force or military action; it can be an entrance
> >into territory with the intent to occupy (have you ever read any
> >"Hispanic" literature on the subject of "la Raza" or "la Reconquista" or
> >"el Plan de Aztlan"?); or the intrusion of something hurtful or
> >disagreeable (have you ever been to Washington, DC?).
> 
> [...]
> 
> I am not familiar with the Hispanic literature you mention, nor do I know
> enough American history to understand the significance of your reference
> to Washington DC.  I've been there several times, but I don't know what
> you are talking about here.
> 


Washington, DC, which used to be one of the most beautiful cities on this 
planet, has become something more closely resembling Port-au-Prince 
(complete with "papa doc" clone Mayor-for-life Marion S. Barry) as the 
result of the intrusion of something hurtful or disagreeable.

I freely admit that "hurtful" and "disagreeable" are subjective terms and 
that there are individuals who find dead bodies littering the streets on 
a daily basis, crack houses, public urination and defecation, 
completely open "fencing" of stolen property and drug distribution, 
astronomical rates of violent crime and AIDS, and a government which has 
given new and more extreme meanings to the terms "corruption," 
"incompetence," and "comic opera" an improvement over the safe, White and 
beautiful city of the past.

As to Aztlan, it is a term taken from Aztec mythology and now used by 
those who would take the Southwestern United States from us gringos and 
establish a Chicano state there. See

http://www.instanet.com/~vct/AZTLAN.html

and

http://www.instanet.com/~vct/MERCAZTLAN.html

and

http://www.emf.net/~cheetham/eprron-1.html




> So tell me, Mr. Strom, have all immigrants since the founding of the
> United States been "invaders"?


Probably not all, Miss Finsten.

Those whose presence constituted a threat to the society they entered can 
rightly be assigned the term.

Thus, White settlers who begin farming and fencing on the hunting grounds 
of Amerind tribes would rightly be thought of as invaders by those 
tribes.

So also could Whites today consider the tens of millions of Chicanos in 
the United States to be invaders, especially when many of them are here 
in flagrant violation of our lax immigration laws and openly declare 
their intention to wrest control of part of our nation from us.

Many Blacks were, of course, brought here against their will and so are a 
special case; but it is reasonable to call them invaders (who were 
coerced to invade by the brokers in humans, Black, White, Jewish and 
Arab) from the point of view of poor Whites, who were forced to "compete" 
with them in the labor market during the slavery era, and who now bear 
the brunt of the Black and Third World presence in America since they 
cannot afford to move to the more exclusive and necessarily safer and 
more pleasant areas.


>  Would you describe the influx of British
> women following the second world war who came over as war brides "invaders"?


No.



> Were the Africans brought by force to North America, beginning shortly after
> the first British settlement in what was to become the United States in
> the 17th century "invaders"?


Already covered; but I might add that the _blame_ for their initial 
invasion cannot be attached to the invaders, any more than the blame for 
the invasion of the German states can be attached to Napoleon's 
conscripts, who had little choice in the matter. Though at first it might 
seem that Napoleon's invasion was the worst of the two, we must consider 
that his invaders, even had they been successful beyond their wildest 
dreams, were incapable of significantly altering the genetic basis of the 
German nation and had only trifling cultural differences with it.


....
> 
> >Just because I do not wish to give my country to Mideasterners, it does
> >not necessarily follow that I wish them harm or that I am not outraged at
> >the horrors that "my" government perpetated against them, using money
> >extorted from me on the pretense of providing for "national defense."
> 
> >You really know little about me, and have no justification for making
> >such assumptions. Since you are impugning my morals, I will state for the
> >record that I abhor cruelty or the causing of any unnecessary harm or
> >pain to any sentient being. Even to insects and "liberals," neither of
> >which I will allow my sons to step on.
> 
> I apologise if my assumption that you feel as much contempt for Iraqis
> as you do for other "non-whites" was incorrect.


I do not feel any contempt for non-Whites in general. I feel no contempt 
at all for the Japanese, for example; rather I have a great deal of 
admiration for them. That, however, does not mean I want to give them my 
country.


....
> 
> So you do not see "The Turner Diaries", written by your leader William
> Pierce", as in any was proscriptive, Mr. Strom?


I assume you mean prescriptive; but in any case the answer is that I do 
not.


>  You disagree with William
> Pierce that a couple of years of bloodshed are an acceptable price to
> pay to establish your "White nation"?


How many years of bloodshed were spent to establish the current world 
order?

I would say that probably a majority of the nations on planet Earth were 
born in war to some extent. I dislike violence and would naturally prefer 
that negotiation be used as a route to self-determination for my people. 
We have the power to do this peacefully; only the will is currently 
lacking.

America's current course -- forcing the many nations now resident inside 
the borders of the legal fiction called "the United States of America" 
under one unitary and increasingly oppressive government -- can only lead 
to violent conflict like that of the Indian subcontinent or the Balkans 
in this century.

I propose we change that course.


>  Are all living members of Homo
> sapiens "sentient beings" in your books?
> 


Yes.


....
> Most people
> understand racism to entail assumptions about the relative, biologically
> rooted inferiority or superiority of those groups defined as racism,
> and so it goes far beyond "preference".


I paraphrase Professor Revilo Oliver when I state that if we assign 
ourselves a superiority based on our own standards, we are merely 
indulging in a tautology. The only objective standard of superiority or 
inferiority is survival.

If the Congoids' greater fecundity, or the Jews' almost supernatural 
group-consciousness, prove to be better survival tools than the Aryans' 
frontal lobe functions and altruism, then we may pass from the Earth as  
did the dodo and the tyrannosaur.

I confess that I want my people to survive. A people among whom such a 
declaration is a sin or a crime will not long inhabit this merciless 
universe.


>  But not only that, to suggest
> that an emotionally based "preference" is either a good or a legitimate
> basis for state-building is truly bizarre, in my opinion.  Really, can
> you imagine anyone taking seriously the suggestion that we should form
> a state for redheads only?
> 

I know of no people or nation distinguished by red-headedness.

Most states in history have been based, at least to some extent, upon 
kinship, which is at least as much felt as it is measured or measurable.

I propose that kinship-based states are the natural form of human 
organization and government, and are better than multinational empires on 
almost every count.



....
> Were the anti-Irish sentiments of WASPs in the nineteenth
> century also "natural, healthy reactions", Mr Strom?  I am asking this
> in order to understand better whether you think that the groups who
> may be perceived as "invaders" (whom I would define as "others", I guess,
> I'll have to think a little more about that) are necessarily racially
> distinct.  The case of the Irish intrigues me, Mr. Strom, because they
> were treated with the same contempt and hatred that you, Mr. Whitaker and
> others now direct at "non-white" immigrants (and their descendants, many
> of whom probably have longer histories in North America than your or
> Mr. Whitaker).  They were also viewed according to the same sorts of
> stereotypes that characterise racist views of "blacks" - as ignorant,
> uncivilised, lawless, stupid, lazy, dirty, etc. etc. etc.  Have you
> ever thought about that, Mr. Strom?
> 



Do invaders have to be racially distinct? Of course not. The Normans 
weren't racially distinct from the Anglo-Saxons.

I don't consider the Irish to have been invaders at all; and if the 
Emerald Isle is overpopulated and facing a choice between fewer beautiful 
Irish boys and girls or emigration, I say bring them here!

"Lazy," "lawless," "stupid," "dirty," et cetera, are of course just terms 
that may be applied to individuals -- and group averages -- with degrees 
of accuracy ranging from exact to zero.

It is true, though, that the then-current inhabitants of the United 
States have seldom been consulted when the moneyed elite have decided to 
import labor.

With happy Autumn wishes,

-- 


Kevin Alfred Strom

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From ka_strom@ix.netcom.com Thu Sep 26 08:22:38 PDT 1996
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From: Kevin Alfred Strom 
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Subject: The Criminalization of Freedom of Association
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Ken McVay writes in message :

> What a fascinating sort of tunnel vision, Mr. Strom! Being forced to ride 
> in the back of the bus wasn't "the criminalization of freedom of 
> association;" being forced to use "coloured only" washrooms wasn't "the 
> criminalization of freedom of association;" being forced to avoid "whites 
> only" "public" buildings wasn't "the criminalization of freedom of 
> association;" being forced to serve in segregated military units wasn't 
>"the criminalization of freedom of association;" but passing laws to rid 
> the United States of the blight of those perversions _was_?
> 
> Tell me, Mr. Strom... was being denied the right to vote not a 
> "criminalization," too? Or was the "criminalization" using federal muscle 
> to enforce existing voter registration legislation?


It is not "freedom of association" for you to come onto my property if I 
do not want anything to do with you. Free association requires two 
consenting parties; the purpose of the "civil rights" legislation was to 
force the "consent" of certain individuals and institutions through the 
threat of fines and imprisonment.

My recollection of pre-1965 America may not be as good as yours, but I 
seem to recall that Blacks and Whites who wanted to associate with one 
another had many opportunities to do so.

The difference today is that we are _forced_ to so associate, on pain of 
fines and imprisonment. There are few places, except behind the closed 
doors of one's own home (with the television off, of course), where 
Whites can escape multiracialism.

I do not necessarily approve of every social arrangement of that period, 
of course, and would much prefer outright racial separatism, an option 
which is denied White people by the establishment you serve so 
faithfully.

With happy Autumn wishes,

-- 


Kevin Alfred Strom

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From ka_strom@ix.netcom.com Thu Sep 26 08:22:40 PDT 1996
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Frank wrote:
> 
> Am I a racist?
> 
>      I ask this question because I honestly dont know the answer to it.
> I just want my children to grow up in a neighborhood where they dont have
> to worry about getting shot by a stray bullet ment for a drug dealer or a
> gang member.
> I want my kids to go to school and have a class room that is not disrupted
> by
> students that are not there to learn. I want the opportunity to get a job
> based
> on my merits. I do not think that I am asking for a lot but these things
> are getting
> farther out of reach.
> 
> I grew up on the same street that I live on now and things have changed.
> 
> In the same park I played little league in my 12yo son cant walk through
> safely.
> On the playground equipment I used as a kid my 4yo daughter cannot use, it
> is still there but when my wife took her there they were chased away by a
> group
> of youths that should have been in school.
> 
> I bought my house 10 years ago for  $65,000 and now I'll be lucky to get
> $20,000
> 
> The corner store where I bought candy as a kid has been owned by the same
> old man
> for as long as I can remember He did not have one problem in 25yrs and in
> the last
> 5yrs he has been robbed 7 times after the sixth time he put it up for sale
> two weeks later
> was his 7th and last time. He was killed for $24
> 
> I could go on and on about the changes in my neighborhood and sound like a
> concerned
> citizen but if I mention the skin pigment of the people that are
> responsible for all the above
> changes I am a racist.   Right?



Dear Frank:

Your problem is that you have accepted your enemies' definition of the 
word "racist."

If racism is acknowledging that races exist, and that there are 
differences among the various races, and that those differences have a 
profound effect upon society and the quality of human life, then racism 
is good and any departure from it is also a departure from sanity.

With happy Autumn wishes,

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Kevin Alfred Strom

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From ka_strom@ix.netcom.com Fri Sep 27 19:05:19 PDT 1996
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Laura Finsten wrote:
> 
> Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote:
> >Laura Finsten wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
> >> Invasion is a forceful, military action.  Get real, you two.
> 
> >Invasion need not involve force or military action; it can be an entrance
> >into territory with the intent to occupy (have you ever read any
> >"Hispanic" literature on the subject of "la Raza" or "la Reconquista" or
> >"el Plan de Aztlan"?); or the intrusion of something hurtful or
> >disagreeable (have you ever been to Washington, DC?).
> 
> [...]
> 
> I am not familiar with the Hispanic literature you mention, nor do I know
> enough American history to understand the significance of your reference
> to Washington DC.  I've been there several times, but I don't know what
> you are talking about here.
> 


Washington, DC, which used to be one of the most beautiful cities on this 
planet, has become something more closely resembling Port-au-Prince 
(complete with "papa doc" clone Mayor-for-life Marion S. Barry) as the 
result of the intrusion of something hurtful or disagreeable.

I freely admit that "hurtful" and "disagreeable" are subjective terms and 
that there are individuals who find dead bodies littering the streets on 
a daily basis, crack houses, public urination and defecation, 
completely open "fencing" of stolen property and drug distribution, 
astronomical rates of violent crime and AIDS, and a government which has 
given new and more extreme meanings to the terms "corruption," 
"incompetence," and "comic opera" an improvement over the safe, White and 
beautiful city of the past.

As to Aztlan, it is a term taken from Aztec mythology and now used by 
those who would take the Southwestern United States from us gringos and 
establish a Chicano state there. See

http://www.instanet.com/~vct/AZTLAN.html

and

http://www.instanet.com/~vct/MERCAZTLAN.html

and

http://www.emf.net/~cheetham/eprron-1.html




> So tell me, Mr. Strom, have all immigrants since the founding of the
> United States been "invaders"?


Probably not all, Miss Finsten.

Those whose presence constituted a threat to the society they entered can 
rightly be assigned the term.

Thus, White settlers who begin farming and fencing on the hunting grounds 
of Amerind tribes would rightly be thought of as invaders by those 
tribes.

So also could Whites today consider the tens of millions of Chicanos in 
the United States to be invaders, especially when many of them are here 
in flagrant violation of our lax immigration laws and openly declare 
their intention to wrest control of part of our nation from us.

Many Blacks were, of course, brought here against their will and so are a 
special case; but it is reasonable to call them invaders (who were 
coerced to invade by the brokers in humans, Black, White, Jewish and 
Arab) from the point of view of poor Whites, who were forced to "compete" 
with them in the labor market during the slavery era, and who now bear 
the brunt of the Black and Third World presence in America since they 
cannot afford to move to the more exclusive and necessarily safer and 
more pleasant areas.


>  Would you describe the influx of British
> women following the second world war who came over as war brides "invaders"?


No.



> Were the Africans brought by force to North America, beginning shortly after
> the first British settlement in what was to become the United States in
> the 17th century "invaders"?


Already covered; but I might add that the _blame_ for their initial 
invasion cannot be attached to the invaders, any more than the blame for 
the invasion of the German states can be attached to Napoleon's 
conscripts, who had little choice in the matter. Though at first it might 
seem that Napoleon's invasion was the worst of the two, we must consider 
that his invaders, even had they been successful beyond their wildest 
dreams, were incapable of significantly altering the genetic basis of the 
German nation and had only trifling cultural differences with it.


....
> 
> >Just because I do not wish to give my country to Mideasterners, it does
> >not necessarily follow that I wish them harm or that I am not outraged at
> >the horrors that "my" government perpetated against them, using money
> >extorted from me on the pretense of providing for "national defense."
> 
> >You really know little about me, and have no justification for making
> >such assumptions. Since you are impugning my morals, I will state for the
> >record that I abhor cruelty or the causing of any unnecessary harm or
> >pain to any sentient being. Even to insects and "liberals," neither of
> >which I will allow my sons to step on.
> 
> I apologise if my assumption that you feel as much contempt for Iraqis
> as you do for other "non-whites" was incorrect.


I do not feel any contempt for non-Whites in general. I feel no contempt 
at all for the Japanese, for example; rather I have a great deal of 
admiration for them. That, however, does not mean I want to give them my 
country.


....
> 
> So you do not see "The Turner Diaries", written by your leader William
> Pierce", as in any was proscriptive, Mr. Strom?


I assume you mean prescriptive; but in any case the answer is that I do 
not.


>  You disagree with William
> Pierce that a couple of years of bloodshed are an acceptable price to
> pay to establish your "White nation"?


How many years of bloodshed were spent to establish the current world 
order?

I would say that probably a majority of the nations on planet Earth were 
born in war to some extent. I dislike violence and would naturally prefer 
that negotiation be used as a route to self-determination for my people. 
We have the power to do this peacefully; only the will is currently 
lacking.

America's current course -- forcing the many nations now resident inside 
the borders of the legal fiction called "the United States of America" 
under one unitary and increasingly oppressive government -- can only lead 
to violent conflict like that of the Indian subcontinent or the Balkans 
in this century.

I propose we change that course.


>  Are all living members of Homo
> sapiens "sentient beings" in your books?
> 


Yes.


....
> Most people
> understand racism to entail assumptions about the relative, biologically
> rooted inferiority or superiority of those groups defined as racism,
> and so it goes far beyond "preference".


I paraphrase Professor Revilo Oliver when I state that if we assign 
ourselves a superiority based on our own standards, we are merely 
indulging in a tautology. The only objective standard of superiority or 
inferiority is survival.

If the Congoids' greater fecundity, or the Jews' almost supernatural 
group-consciousness, prove to be better survival tools than the Aryans' 
frontal lobe functions and altruism, then we may pass from the Earth as  
did the dodo and the tyrannosaur.

I confess that I want my people to survive. A people among whom such a 
declaration is a sin or a crime will not long inhabit this merciless 
universe.


>  But not only that, to suggest
> that an emotionally based "preference" is either a good or a legitimate
> basis for state-building is truly bizarre, in my opinion.  Really, can
> you imagine anyone taking seriously the suggestion that we should form
> a state for redheads only?
> 

I know of no people or nation distinguished by red-headedness.

Most states in history have been based, at least to some extent, upon 
kinship, which is at least as much felt as it is measured or measurable.

I propose that kinship-based states are the natural form of human 
organization and government, and are better than multinational empires on 
almost every count.



....
> Were the anti-Irish sentiments of WASPs in the nineteenth
> century also "natural, healthy reactions", Mr Strom?  I am asking this
> in order to understand better whether you think that the groups who
> may be perceived as "invaders" (whom I would define as "others", I guess,
> I'll have to think a little more about that) are necessarily racially
> distinct.  The case of the Irish intrigues me, Mr. Strom, because they
> were treated with the same contempt and hatred that you, Mr. Whitaker and
> others now direct at "non-white" immigrants (and their descendants, many
> of whom probably have longer histories in North America than your or
> Mr. Whitaker).  They were also viewed according to the same sorts of
> stereotypes that characterise racist views of "blacks" - as ignorant,
> uncivilised, lawless, stupid, lazy, dirty, etc. etc. etc.  Have you
> ever thought about that, Mr. Strom?
> 



Do invaders have to be racially distinct? Of course not. The Normans 
weren't racially distinct from the Anglo-Saxons.

I don't consider the Irish to have been invaders at all; and if the 
Emerald Isle is overpopulated and facing a choice between fewer beautiful 
Irish boys and girls or emigration, I say bring them here!

"Lazy," "lawless," "stupid," "dirty," et cetera, are of course just terms 
that may be applied to individuals -- and group averages -- with degrees 
of accuracy ranging from exact to zero.

It is true, though, that the then-current inhabitants of the United 
States have seldom been consulted when the moneyed elite have decided to 
import labor.

With happy Autumn wishes,

-- 


Kevin Alfred Strom

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From ka_strom@ix.netcom.com Fri Sep 27 19:05:20 PDT 1996
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Ken McVay writes in message :

> What a fascinating sort of tunnel vision, Mr. Strom! Being forced to ride 
> in the back of the bus wasn't "the criminalization of freedom of 
> association;" being forced to use "coloured only" washrooms wasn't "the 
> criminalization of freedom of association;" being forced to avoid "whites 
> only" "public" buildings wasn't "the criminalization of freedom of 
> association;" being forced to serve in segregated military units wasn't 
>"the criminalization of freedom of association;" but passing laws to rid 
> the United States of the blight of those perversions _was_?
> 
> Tell me, Mr. Strom... was being denied the right to vote not a 
> "criminalization," too? Or was the "criminalization" using federal muscle 
> to enforce existing voter registration legislation?


It is not "freedom of association" for you to come onto my property if I 
do not want anything to do with you. Free association requires two 
consenting parties; the purpose of the "civil rights" legislation was to 
force the "consent" of certain individuals and institutions through the 
threat of fines and imprisonment.

My recollection of pre-1965 America may not be as good as yours, but I 
seem to recall that Blacks and Whites who wanted to associate with one 
another had many opportunities to do so.

The difference today is that we are _forced_ to so associate, on pain of 
fines and imprisonment. There are few places, except behind the closed 
doors of one's own home (with the television off, of course), where 
Whites can escape multiracialism.

I do not necessarily approve of every social arrangement of that period, 
of course, and would much prefer outright racial separatism, an option 
which is denied White people by the establishment you serve so 
faithfully.

With happy Autumn wishes,

-- 


Kevin Alfred Strom

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From ka_strom@ix.netcom.com Fri Sep 27 19:05:21 PDT 1996
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Frank wrote:
> 
> Am I a racist?
> 
>      I ask this question because I honestly dont know the answer to it.
> I just want my children to grow up in a neighborhood where they dont have
> to worry about getting shot by a stray bullet ment for a drug dealer or a
> gang member.
> I want my kids to go to school and have a class room that is not disrupted
> by
> students that are not there to learn. I want the opportunity to get a job
> based
> on my merits. I do not think that I am asking for a lot but these things
> are getting
> farther out of reach.
> 
> I grew up on the same street that I live on now and things have changed.
> 
> In the same park I played little league in my 12yo son cant walk through
> safely.
> On the playground equipment I used as a kid my 4yo daughter cannot use, it
> is still there but when my wife took her there they were chased away by a
> group
> of youths that should have been in school.
> 
> I bought my house 10 years ago for  $65,000 and now I'll be lucky to get
> $20,000
> 
> The corner store where I bought candy as a kid has been owned by the same
> old man
> for as long as I can remember He did not have one problem in 25yrs and in
> the last
> 5yrs he has been robbed 7 times after the sixth time he put it up for sale
> two weeks later
> was his 7th and last time. He was killed for $24
> 
> I could go on and on about the changes in my neighborhood and sound like a
> concerned
> citizen but if I mention the skin pigment of the people that are
> responsible for all the above
> changes I am a racist.   Right?



Dear Frank:

Your problem is that you have accepted your enemies' definition of the 
word "racist."

If racism is acknowledging that races exist, and that there are 
differences among the various races, and that those differences have a 
profound effect upon society and the quality of human life, then racism 
is good and any departure from it is also a departure from sanity.

With happy Autumn wishes,

-- 


Kevin Alfred Strom

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To: Alexandre Kotov 

Alexandre Kotov wrote:
> ...
> 
> Actually, there are certain guidelines which allow coroners to determine (for
> the lack of better term) the race of the remains. These are routinely
> reviewed by the American Association of Anthropologists and other organizations
> (including ones associated with the US Government) and are described in many
> books dealing with the subject of applied anthropology. So, despite all
> the efforts that egalitarians spend on brainwashing the young and the stupid,
> practical people know the value of racial differences and rely on them
> every day.
> 
> BTW, John, I am interested in your theory very much. Would you care to share
> it with me, via private e-mail of course, or as an alternative consider
> posting it here. Don't be shy :)
> 
> BATF spy supercomputer FBI Ortega World Trade Center Cocaine Semtex Noriega
> counter-intelligence Khaddafi Clinton FSF CIA DES
> --
>                 Regards,                             akotov1@umbc.edu
>                  Alex.                               http://umbc.edu/~akotov1
>             "Maybe TV is right? TV's always right." -- H. Simpson


Mr. Kotov, are there any resources on the Internet which deal with 
ascertainment of a decedent's race by coroners?

By the way, you have the most hilarious signature file I have ever seen; 
it must keep the National Security boys very amused.

With all good wishes,

-- 


Kevin Alfred Strom

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Laura Finsten wrote:
> 
> Great, Mr. Strom.  Now you and Mr. Whitaker are going to hold me
> responsible for the post of someone I don't recall ever having seen
> post here before?  Hardly sporting.
> 
> "If I can't dance..... I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>      Emma Goldman


I became tired of the sophisticated evasions of Mr. Whitaker's point, so 
I posted copies of several messages, including one of yours, in which the 
smear word "nazi" was used or clearly implied in referring to Mr. 
Whitaker. I never said that you bore responsibility for any words but 
your own.

Just for fun, here's another one, in which you imply what you have stated 
more explicitly elsewhere, that Les Griswold is a "nazi." Your message 
also clearly implies that Mr. Griswold is Mr. Whitaker's "fuhrer."

In message , Laura Finsten 
states to Bob Whitaker:

....
> While you're at it (since your Unterfartenfuhrer Griswold
> doesn't seem to want to answer the question), can you get back
> to the stuff about "stable genotypes"?  Populations of sexually
> reproducing, multicelled organisms don't have genotypes.  Individuals
> do, but populations don't....

The messages I have quoted in this thread tend to confirm Mr. Whitaker's 
thesis.

Wonderful world,

-- 


Kevin Alfred Strom

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