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From: Kevin Alfred Strom 
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Rich Graves wrote:

> 
> Kevin Alfred Strom  writes:
> >Rich Graves wrote:
> >
> >> FYI, Kevin "We prefer the term National Socialist" Strom is more a Nazi
> >> talk-show host than a Revisionist. It's all just a sideshow to him. Kev is
> >> rather open about advocating genocide, today.
> >
> >I do not advocate genocide, Mr. Graves, and I strongly resent your
> >implication that I do.
> 
> Sure. And the Holocaust was just a hoax, right? No harm, no foul.
> 
> The UN Genocide Convention defines genocide at
> http://www-leland.stanford.edu/group/SAGE/genocide.html
> 
> The National Appliance home page is
> http://www.io.com/~arclight/National_Appliance/
> 


Another of your content-free posts, Mr. Graves.

You accuse me of _advocating genocide_, and then to "prove" it you point 
me to someone's definition of genocide and a joke page. Some proof. You 
have accused me falsely, Mr. Graves.


> >Also, my middle name is Alfred. Where did you get the quote you inserted
> >there?
> 
> I believe it's a fair paraphrase of your National Alliance Membership
> Handbook, pages 120-122. You're doing a pretty good job of following the
> guidelines, but posting to inappropriate newsgroups is a bad idea. Could
> someone help me with the proper bibliographic citation for this work? From
> the section subtitled ACTIVITIES: RECRUITING TIPS:
> 
> |        4.g.v.10. Nazis and neo-Nazis: Inevitably, every member who...

Well, it was nice to read your transcript of an Alliance publication, but 
as you obliquely admitted, the "quote" you have inserted in my name is 
nowhere to found there, or anywhere else for that matter.

Thanks for proving that your statements about me are false.

Happy August,


-- 


Kevin Alfred Strom

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From ka_strom@ix.netcom.com Thu Aug  1 16:47:48 PDT 1996
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From: Kevin Alfred Strom 
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Rich Graves wrote:

> 
> Kevin Alfred Strom  writes:
> >Rich Graves wrote:
> >
> >> FYI, Kevin "We prefer the term National Socialist" Strom is more a Nazi
> >> talk-show host than a Revisionist. It's all just a sideshow to him. Kev is
> >> rather open about advocating genocide, today.
> >
> >I do not advocate genocide, Mr. Graves, and I strongly resent your
> >implication that I do.
> 
> Sure. And the Holocaust was just a hoax, right? No harm, no foul.
> 
> The UN Genocide Convention defines genocide at
> http://www-leland.stanford.edu/group/SAGE/genocide.html
> 
> The National Appliance home page is
> http://www.io.com/~arclight/National_Appliance/
> 


Another of your content-free posts, Mr. Graves.

You accuse me of _advocating genocide_, and then to "prove" it you point 
me to someone's definition of genocide and a joke page. Some proof. You 
have accused me falsely, Mr. Graves.


> >Also, my middle name is Alfred. Where did you get the quote you inserted
> >there?
> 
> I believe it's a fair paraphrase of your National Alliance Membership
> Handbook, pages 120-122. You're doing a pretty good job of following the
> guidelines, but posting to inappropriate newsgroups is a bad idea. Could
> someone help me with the proper bibliographic citation for this work? From
> the section subtitled ACTIVITIES: RECRUITING TIPS:
> 
> |        4.g.v.10. Nazis and neo-Nazis: Inevitably, every member who...

Well, it was nice to read your transcript of an Alliance publication, but 
as you obliquely admitted, the "quote" you have inserted in my name is 
nowhere to found there, or anywhere else for that matter.

Thanks for proving that your statements about me are false.

Happy August,


-- 


Kevin Alfred Strom

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                  http://www.natall.com/


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From: Kevin Alfred Strom 
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Rich Graves wrote:

> 
> Kevin Alfred Strom  writes:
> >Rich Graves wrote:
> >
> >> FYI, Kevin "We prefer the term National Socialist" Strom is more a Nazi
> >> talk-show host than a Revisionist. It's all just a sideshow to him. Kev is
> >> rather open about advocating genocide, today.
> >
> >I do not advocate genocide, Mr. Graves, and I strongly resent your
> >implication that I do.
> 
> Sure. And the Holocaust was just a hoax, right? No harm, no foul.
> 
> The UN Genocide Convention defines genocide at
> http://www-leland.stanford.edu/group/SAGE/genocide.html
> 
> The National Appliance home page is
> http://www.io.com/~arclight/National_Appliance/
> 


Another of your content-free posts, Mr. Graves.

You accuse me of _advocating genocide_, and then to "prove" it you point 
me to someone's definition of genocide and a joke page. Some proof. You 
have accused me falsely, Mr. Graves.


> >Also, my middle name is Alfred. Where did you get the quote you inserted
> >there?
> 
> I believe it's a fair paraphrase of your National Alliance Membership
> Handbook, pages 120-122. You're doing a pretty good job of following the
> guidelines, but posting to inappropriate newsgroups is a bad idea. Could
> someone help me with the proper bibliographic citation for this work? From
> the section subtitled ACTIVITIES: RECRUITING TIPS:
> 
> |        4.g.v.10. Nazis and neo-Nazis: Inevitably, every member who...

Well, it was nice to read your transcript of an Alliance publication, but 
as you obliquely admitted, the "quote" you have inserted in my name is 
nowhere to found there, or anywhere else for that matter.

Thanks for proving that your statements about me are false.

Happy August,


-- 


Kevin Alfred Strom

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From ka_strom@ix.netcom.com Sun Aug  4 08:01:43 PDT 1996
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From: Kevin Alfred Strom 
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Subject: Re: Are Anonymous Users Cowards?
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Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
> 
> In article <31FD6F75.4F9C@ix.netcom.com>, Kevin Alfred Strom
>  wrote:
> 
> > [...deletia...]
> 
> > Mr. Brown, are you consistent and do you therefore make similar
> > declarations and acusations of cowardice against all anonymous Usenet
> > posters that you encounter?
> 
> Nope.
> 
> > Have you _ever_ accused an anti-racist of cowardice for posting
> > under a pseudonym?
> 
> Nope.
> 
> > Or is your righteous indignation selectively and inconsistently applied?
> 
> Yup, it sure is.
> 


I am delighted to see my thesis proved. Thank you.



> Racists are cowards to begin with, Strom -- you included. Racists lack the
> guts to deal with those who differ from you, in superficial outward
> appearance or geographic origin or culture, as individuals. Racists are
> capable of dealing with these differences in others only by lumping them
> together as a group and declaring that group inferior to their own,
> self-declared group.
> ...


As I have posted here several times before, I have worked with those of 
other races on a continuing basis during the course of a twenty-year 
career in broadcasting, including stints as engineer and consultant for 
several Black-owned and operated radio stations, including the 
50,000-Watt Marxist powerhouse for the occupied Washington, DC market, 
WPFW. I was respected by the staff and management there, and learned much 
>from  the experience; especially the insights I gained from the Black 
nationalists and the extremely intelligent Chinese who operated a 
subcarrier station there for a time. Both had figured out who really runs 
this country, and we had a lot to talk about.

Someday, if you are interested, I will tell you the story of the WPFW 
program host who had to be forcibly removed from the studio after 
barricading himself in there, all because of an ideological dispute.

So it is hardly fair to say that I lack the "guts" to deal with those 
quite different from myself. And after all, I am dealing with you, am I 
not?

I, and others far greater than myself, have made a public stand for a 
cause that is widely hated, especially by those in power. I think it 
wildly inappropriate to pin the label coward on us. I think it could be 
persuasively argued that I have lacked prudence, but of that kind of 
prudence our people have had too much.

Honor bright,

-- 


Kevin Alfred Strom

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From ka_strom@ix.netcom.com Sun Aug  4 08:01:45 PDT 1996
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From: Kevin Alfred Strom 
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Subject: Re: 90% of all Hate Crime Victims are White
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Richard Harrold wrote:
> 
> an640063@anon.penet.fi (American Superhero) wrote:
> 
> >   This article is reprinted from 'The Sydney Morning Herald'
> 
> >              "THE RACE WAR OF BLACK
> >                             AGAINST WHITE"
> 
> >               by Paul Sheehan. Saturday, 20 May 1995
> 
> >Nearly all the following figures, which speak for themselves,
> >have not been reported in America:
> 
> >* According to the latest US Department of Justice survey of
> >crime victims, more than 6.6 million violent crimes (murder,
> >rape, assault and robbery) are committed in the US each year,
> >of which about 20 per cent, or 1.3 million, are inter-racial
> >crimes.
> 
> That's odd. As a subscriber to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, the
> reports I read indicate that crime in an intra-racial phenomenon.



Is that a sentence? I assume you meant to say "crime is an intraracial 
phenomenon"; an untrue statement if you mean by that that there is not a 
substantial quantity of interracial crime.



> Infact, more than 80 percent of the time, whites are victimized by
> whites and about 90 percent of the time blacks are victimized by
> blacks. That would make the author of this article either a liar or
> incredibly stupid.
> 


No, he said that "about twenty per cent." are interracial crimes; not far 
off from what you just cited. If Blacks are 13 per cent. of the 
population, and Whites are 75 per cent., then if _your_ figures of 10 per 
cent. interracial victimizations for Blacks and and 20 per cent. 
interracial victimizations for Whites would average out to 18.52 per 
cent. interracial victimizations for the two races taken as a whole. 

(.1 x 13) + (.2 x 75) = x      x/87 = .185227272

Your figures are in substantial agreement with the author's!

Furthermore, even _your_ figures indicate that Whites are more likely to 
be victims of Black criminals than the reverse.


> >* Most victims of race crime - about 90 per cent - are white,
> >according to the survey "Highlights from 20 Years of
> >Surveying Crime Victims", published in 1993.
> 
> According to the Michigan Uniform Crime Reports for 1994, out of 330
> reported hate crimes in Michigan, 85 were classified as anti-white.
> Now, when we consider ethinc bias, sex bias, sexual orientation bias
> and religious bias, then you can include more whites. But when
> speaking of the bias behind the crime,  the information in this
> "alleged" article is either an outright lie, or simple distortion of
> data.
> 


You are attacking a straw man: The author says "race crime" (that is, any 
inerracial crime); you are citing "hate crime," an Orwellian and quite 
politicized category of crime which is an altogether different thing.


> >* Almost 1 million white Americans were murdered, robbed,
> >assaulted or raped by black Americans in 1992, compared with
> >about 132,000 blacks who were murdered, robbed, assaulted or
> >raped by whites, according to the same survey.
> 
> According to the 1994 U.S. UCR (p.17), of 5,371 white murder victims,
> they were killed by 4,445 white killers versus 790 black killers. Of
> 5,527 blacks murdered, they were killed by 337 white killers and 5,106
> black killers. Therefore, the author of this article is either a liar
> or incredibly studpid.
> 


Your reasoning is fallacious. First, it does not follow that the figures 
for murder, robbery, rape, and assault taken as a whole correlate to the 
figures for murder alone.

Second, even _your figures_ show that for the period in question there 
were 5,896 Black murderers versus 4,782 White murderers. Leaving aside 
the fact that many non-White groups such as Middle Easterners and 
Mexicans are lumped in with the Whites in the FBI figures, making the 
White totals artificially high, _your figures_ show that Blacks are more 
than seven times as likely to be murderers than Whites. 

5786/13 = x    4782/75 = y    x/y = 7.1132

Third, when we use _your figures_ and look only at interracial murders, 
which is what Sheehan was talking about in the first place, we see that 
Blacks are more than 13 times as likely as Whites to commit interracial 
murder.

790/13 = x    337/75 = y    x/y = 13.5243

I will not accuse you of being "a liar or incredibly stupid." Instead, I 
will merely state that your wishful thinking has somehow 
overruled your reason and prevented you from drawing the inescapable 
conclusions from your own statistics.


> >* According to the latest annual report on murder by the
> >Federal Bureau of Investigation, most inter-racial murders
> >involve black assailants and white victims, with blacks
> >murdering whites at 18 times the rate that whites murder
> >blacks.
> 
> Okay, let's do the math. 790 blacks accounted for 790 white deaths out
> of 5,371 in 1994 (FBI UCR data, p. 17). That comes to 14.7 percent.
> 
> Now, 337 whites killed 337 blacks out of 5,527 murder victims. That
> comes to 6 percent.
> 
> Hmmm, the difference comes out to a little more than two times. Plus,
> because blacks are a smaller group, the impact on them by whites is
> actually larger than the other way around.


Your emotional fixations have caused you to invert the true 
implications of the lower Black population. Blacks comprise only about 13 
per cent. of the population, so the fact that this 13 per cent. group 
commits well over _twice_ the number of interracial murders than a group 
comprising 75 per cent. is staggering in its significance.

Your wishful thinking -- your belief that racial equality _has_ to be 
true -- has blurred your vision and blunted your reason.


> 
> >These breathtaking disparities began to emerge in the
> >mid-1960's, when there was a sharp increase in black crime
> >against whites, an upsurge which, not coincidentally,
> >corresponds exactly with the beginning of the modern civil
> >rights movement.
> 
> This is bullshit. The aurthor of this is a liar as is the person who
> posted it.
> 


Now you have entered the realm of pure emotion and content-free 
assertions. Sheehan is right -- the Old White America was a much safer 
place to live for both Blacks and Whites.


> >Over time, the cumulative effect has been staggering. Justice
> >Department and FBI statistics indicate that between 1964 and
> >1994 more than 25 million violent inter-racial crimes were
> >committed, overwhelmingly involving black offenders and
> >white victims, and more than 45,000 people were killed in
> >inter-racial murders. By comparisons 58,000 Americans died in
> >Vietnam, and 34,000 were killed in the Korean war.
> 
> Lies.
> 


Again, you are so sure you are right that you think the word "lies," like 
the priest's incantation over the accused "witch"'s head four centuries 
ago, is all that is necessary to make the impossible true and the truth 
impossible.


> >When non-violent crimes (burglary, larceny, car theft and
> >personal theft) are included, the cumulative totals become
> >prodigious. The Bureau of Justice Statistics says 27 million
> >non-violent crimes were committed in the US in 1992, and the
> >survey found that 31 per cent of the robberies involved black
> >offenders and white victims (while only 2 per cent in the
> >reverse).
> 
> Lies. Since 1992, violent crime has been declining. and property crime
> has been declining since 1991.
> 


Like stock prices, crime is way up in the last 30 years. But nothing goes 
up in a straight line. If you believe otherwise, I have some shares of 
Netscape and Excalibur Gold Mines I'd like to sell you.

But the author wasn't talking about overall crime rate trends in the last 
few years. He was talking about the total numbers of these crimes, and 
the disproportionate share committed by Blacks.

It is as if I asserted that rainclouds are usually grey; and you 
"disproved" my statement by saying that they always travel in an easterly 
direction. It does not follow -- except in Liberal cloud-cuckoo-land.


> >All these are facts, yet by simply writing this story, by
> >assembling the facts in this way, I would be deemed a racist
> >by the American news media. It prefers to maintain a
> >paternalistic double-standard in its coverage of black
> >America, a lower standard.
> 
> All the stuff in that article is lies. There is ABSOLUTELY no
> corroborating data.
> ...
> 
> Richard Harrold <1163@nethawk.com>




You are pure emotion, wishful thinking, with a faint hint of bluster.

You might make the lower-IQ Blacks feel better, but you will just 
embarrass the smarter ones, who, like me, are able to do simple algebra.

With good wishes and Happy August to all,


-- 


Kevin Alfred Strom

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From: Kevin Alfred Strom 
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Gregory Taylor wrote:
> ...
> 
> Given the opinion of your uberbuddies wrt calling yourself a Nazi recently
> posted here, I can certainly understand how a certain amount of duplicity
> might not trouble you at all.


Please explain that sentence in English. Perhaps you cut too much and 
pasted too little.


> 
> I'm not generally aware of persons who use anonymizers for any reason *but*
> to
> 
> a) disguise their identity (and in Frank's case, it doesn't seem to be
> working.
> 
> b) to continue with some given line of spew after having their posting
> privileges revoked by violating a provider's terms of service (as in
> Vyshbait's case, if I understand correctly).
> 
> Neither of these strikes me as being a case of the "courage of one's
> convictions" in any way, shape, or form....

My point was that the J.G. Brown coding only called anonymous users 
"cowards" if they were White racialists. It was asked if the Brown device 
ever called any of the thousands of other anonymous users "cowards," and 
the Brown device admitted it did not. So my point has been confirmed.

As to courage of their convictions, many individuals on both sides of the 
debate have this quality, and many do not. The ultimate lack of courage 
would be to refrain utterly from expressing those convictions. Few on 
Usenet can be accused of that.

With all good wishes,


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From ka_strom@ix.netcom.com Sun Aug  4 08:01:46 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Another clue as to how liberals "think" (was: Racist cowards bomb Atlanta)
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Eric Blace wrote:
> ...
> >
> A good reply Les.  I apologize for getting so personal.
> 


Astoundingly, someone has actually apologized to Mr. Griswold, whose 
tolerance for abuse exceeds that of my one-year-old's favorite chair.

An honorable debater, who admits his errors is so rare as to require a 
commemoration of some sort. Cheers to you, sir!


Honor bright,


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From ka_strom@ix.netcom.com Sun Aug  4 08:01:48 PDT 1996
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From: Kevin Alfred Strom 
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Subject: Re: Are Anonymous Users Cowards?
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Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
> 
> In article <3201C641.5A5B@ix.netcom.com>, Kevin Alfred Strom
>  wrote:
> 
> > I am delighted to see my thesis proved. Thank you.
> 
> Oh, you are ever so welcome, Strom. Now answer the question you didn't
> even have the guts to quote, coward:
> 
> How does this change what you and Weltner are?
> 
> JGB
> ...


I do not know Mr. Weltner, and I cannot speak for him, but I can say with 
the greatest assurance that nothing you say has the slightest effect on 
what I am, Mr. Brown. It's a wonderful world.

Honor bright,

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Subject: Re: What white purpose served by bombing?
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Chuck Cavanaugh wrote:
> 
> The FBI reports that the bomb threat made to Atlanta police just prior
> to the explosion was delivered by a ---->  *white American male* <----
> 


Of course, no White purpose was served by the bombing, and so far as we 
can tell so far, no one having any connection to pro-White activities had 
anything to do with it.

A messsage from a person identified -- by voice alone -- as a "White 
American male" is pretty slim evidence to theorize from. For example, 
Irish Republican Army sympathizers, animal rights activists, radical 
environmentalists, and anti-racists could just as well be connected to 
such a voice, could they not?



> ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
> Could one you freaks - or someone who understands these freaks -
> please enlighten the rest of us just what purpose has been served?
> ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
> 


Your assumption that "one of us" or someone sympathetic to us is involved 
in the Olympic bombing shows an amazing willingness to believe media 
insinuations based upon no evidence at all. Pro-White groups have been 
thoroughly demonized and dehumanized by the media, as have Iraqis and 
Libyans, and the boobs will believe almost any accusation levelled 
against them.



> Maybe I will read the Turner Diaries, if I can stomach it (doubtful).
> Does it contain anything like an explanation, or is it mere raving?
> 


Your assumption that this 1978 novel (actually begun several years 
earlier as a serial) had anything to do with this tragic event is absurd. 
Do read it, though. You might learn something, and it would reduce the 
amount of time you spend with your television.


> Pehaps no sane person ever quite understands these freaks,
> their minds twisted by awareness/denial of their personal inferiority.
> ...

The assumption that all those who approximately share my political 
opinions are 1)insane, 2)twisted, 3)freaks, 4)inferior, and 5)terrorists 
is an example of stereotyping that makes minstrel shows look like 
objective scientific analysis.

With good wishes to all,


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From ka_strom@ix.netcom.com Sun Aug  4 08:13:05 PDT 1996
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From: Kevin Alfred Strom 
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Rich Graves wrote:

> 
> Kevin Alfred Strom  writes:
> >Rich Graves wrote:
> >
> >> FYI, Kevin "We prefer the term National Socialist" Strom is more a Nazi
> >> talk-show host than a Revisionist. It's all just a sideshow to him. Kev is
> >> rather open about advocating genocide, today.
> >
> >I do not advocate genocide, Mr. Graves, and I strongly resent your
> >implication that I do.
> 
> Sure. And the Holocaust was just a hoax, right? No harm, no foul.
> 
> The UN Genocide Convention defines genocide at
> http://www-leland.stanford.edu/group/SAGE/genocide.html
> 
> The National Appliance home page is
> http://www.io.com/~arclight/National_Appliance/
> 


Another of your content-free posts, Mr. Graves.

You accuse me of _advocating genocide_, and then to "prove" it you point 
me to someone's definition of genocide and a joke page. Some proof. You 
have accused me falsely, Mr. Graves.


> >Also, my middle name is Alfred. Where did you get the quote you inserted
> >there?
> 
> I believe it's a fair paraphrase of your National Alliance Membership
> Handbook, pages 120-122. You're doing a pretty good job of following the
> guidelines, but posting to inappropriate newsgroups is a bad idea. Could
> someone help me with the proper bibliographic citation for this work? From
> the section subtitled ACTIVITIES: RECRUITING TIPS:
> 
> |        4.g.v.10. Nazis and neo-Nazis: Inevitably, every member who...

Well, it was nice to read your transcript of an Alliance publication, but 
as you obliquely admitted, the "quote" you have inserted in my name is 
nowhere to found there, or anywhere else for that matter.

Thanks for proving that your statements about me are false.

Happy August,


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Rich Graves wrote:

> 
> Kevin Alfred Strom  writes:
> >Rich Graves wrote:
> >
> >> FYI, Kevin "We prefer the term National Socialist" Strom is more a Nazi
> >> talk-show host than a Revisionist. It's all just a sideshow to him. Kev is
> >> rather open about advocating genocide, today.
> >
> >I do not advocate genocide, Mr. Graves, and I strongly resent your
> >implication that I do.
> 
> Sure. And the Holocaust was just a hoax, right? No harm, no foul.
> 
> The UN Genocide Convention defines genocide at
> http://www-leland.stanford.edu/group/SAGE/genocide.html
> 
> The National Appliance home page is
> http://www.io.com/~arclight/National_Appliance/
> 


Another of your content-free posts, Mr. Graves.

You accuse me of _advocating genocide_, and then to "prove" it you point 
me to someone's definition of genocide and a joke page. Some proof. You 
have accused me falsely, Mr. Graves.


> >Also, my middle name is Alfred. Where did you get the quote you inserted
> >there?
> 
> I believe it's a fair paraphrase of your National Alliance Membership
> Handbook, pages 120-122. You're doing a pretty good job of following the
> guidelines, but posting to inappropriate newsgroups is a bad idea. Could
> someone help me with the proper bibliographic citation for this work? From
> the section subtitled ACTIVITIES: RECRUITING TIPS:
> 
> |        4.g.v.10. Nazis and neo-Nazis: Inevitably, every member who...

Well, it was nice to read your transcript of an Alliance publication, but 
as you obliquely admitted, the "quote" you have inserted in my name is 
nowhere to found there, or anywhere else for that matter.

Thanks for proving that your statements about me are false.

Happy August,


-- 


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Richard Harrold (all single quotes) wrote:
> 
> Kevin Alfred Strom (all double quotes)  wrote:
> ...
> 
> That is exactly what I meant to say, crime is primarily intra-racial
> AND NOT interracial. Whites victimize whites about 87 percent of the
> time and blacks victimize blacks more than 90 percent of the time. So
> THERE IS NOT A SUBSTANTIAL QUANTITY OF INTERRACIAL CRIME AND YOU ARE
> THE ONE WHO IS WRONG.
> 


Both you and Mr. Sheehan agree that about 20 per cent. of crime is 
interracial. That is certainly substantial.



....
> >Furthermore, even _your_ figures indicate that Whites are more likely to
> >be victims of Black criminals than the reverse.
> 
> Not true, idiot. If 87 percent of white victimes are victimized by
> white perpetrators, how do you get most of the are victimized by
> blacks?
> 


Thanks for the gentlemanly debating style. I never said that _most_ 
Whites are victimized by Blacks. I said:

   "Whites are more likely to be victims of Black criminals than the     
   reverse."

In other words, Whites are more likely to be victims of Black criminals 
than Blacks are to be victims of White criminals. Even your statistics 
_clearly_ show this to be true. You appear to have some trouble 
understanding the meaning of sentences, at least when the sentences touch 
on the issue of race, which is apparently a very sensitive one for you. I 
think you need to ask yourself why you are so sensitive and emotional on 
this issue.


> >> >* Most victims of race crime - about 90 per cent - are white,
> >> >according to the survey "Highlights from 20 Years of
> >> >Surveying Crime Victims", published in 1993.
> >>
> >> According to the Michigan Uniform Crime Reports for 1994, out of 330
> >> reported hate crimes in Michigan, 85 were classified as anti-white.
> >> Now, when we consider ethinc bias, sex bias, sexual orientation bias
> >> and religious bias, then you can include more whites. But when
> >> speaking of the bias behind the crime,  the information in this
> >> "alleged" article is either an outright lie, or simple distortion of
> >> data.
> >>
> 
> >You are attacking a straw man: The author says "race crime" (that is, any
> >inerracial crime); you are citing "hate crime," an Orwellian and quite
> >politicized category of crime which is an altogether different thing.
> 
> No, I'm not. He cited race crime, and I took that to mean hate crime.
> If the author meant differently, he would have been more precise.
> Being a journalist, those statements mean specific things. So race
> crime, not racial crime numbes, means crime motivated by race.
> 


I find it very hard to believe that you are a journalist. But I suppose 
standards have changed, and you may be politically reliable after a 
fashion.



> >> >* Almost 1 million white Americans were murdered, robbed,
> >> >assaulted or raped by black Americans in 1992, compared with
> >> >about 132,000 blacks who were murdered, robbed, assaulted or
> >> >raped by whites, according to the same survey.
> >>
> >> According to the 1994 U.S. UCR (p.17), of 5,371 white murder victims,
> >> they were killed by 4,445 white killers versus 790 black killers. Of
> >> 5,527 blacks murdered, they were killed by 337 white killers and 5,106
> >> black killers. Therefore, the author of this article is either a liar
> >> or incredibly studpid.
> >>
> 
> >Your reasoning is fallacious. First, it does not follow that the figures
> >for murder, robbery, rape, and assault taken as a whole correlate to the
> >figures for murder alone.
> 
> Yes it does, because U.S. crime statistics cover race between victim
> and criminal in murder only.  There are no racial analysis done on
> other index crimes.
> 



Gee, Richard, he just cited "Highlights from 20 Years of Surveying Crime 
Victims" a few lines up from here. See it?



> >Second, even _your figures_ show that for the period in question there
> >were 5,896 Black murderers versus 4,782 White murderers. Leaving aside
> >the fact that many non-White groups such as Middle Easterners and
> >Mexicans are lumped in with the Whites in the FBI figures, making the
> >White totals artificially high, _your figures_ show that Blacks are more
> >than seven times as likely to be murderers than Whites.
> 
> That is un true, because the table I cited also include other races.
> But I did not include them. So your statement that other races are
> lumped into the white statistics is a lie.
> 



Read me the "other races" off the table; my copy of the UCR arrest 
records (1993) lists only White, Black, American Indian or Alaskan 
Native, and Asian or Pacific Islander. No others. Into what category were 
Mexicans, Arabs, etc. put? You have one guess.



> >Third, when we use _your figures_ and look only at interracial murders,
> >which is what Sheehan was talking about in the first place, we see that
> >Blacks are more than 13 times as likely as Whites to commit interracial
> >murder.
> 
> But the fact is the impact of white murderers on balck victims is
> greater because blacks are a minority. You deleted my math as well.
> 



Now we have shown that Blacks are more than 13 times as likely as Whites 
to commit interracial murder. We have seen that even in absolute 
numerical terms there are more Black-on-White interracial murders than 
White-on-Black interracial murders, even though Blacks comprise only 
about 13 per cent. of the population. So what the heck do you mean when 
you say "the impact of white murderers on balck [sic] victims is greater 
because blacks are a minority"? Can anyone explain this statement?

It seems to me that the impact of all murderers on their victims is the 
same: death.



> >I will not accuse you of being "a liar or incredibly stupid." Instead, I
> >will merely state that your wishful thinking has somehow
> >overruled your reason and prevented you from drawing the inescapable
> >conclusions from your own statistics.
> 
> And I will accuse you of of having the wishful thought that I don't
> know what I am talking about. Because I do. And you don't.
> 


This man is a journalist?



....
> 
> >Your emotional fixations have caused you to invert the true
> >implications of the lower Black population. Blacks comprise only about 13
> >per cent. of the population, so the fact that this 13 per cent. group
> >commits well over _twice_ the number of interracial murders than a group
> >comprising 75 per cent. is staggering in its significance.
> 
> >Your wishful thinking -- your belief that racial equality _has_ to be
> >true -- has blurred your vision and blunted your reason.
> 
> And you're just plain dumb.
> 


Now really!


....
> >You are pure emotion, wishful thinking, with a faint hint of bluster.
> 
> >You might make the lower-IQ Blacks feel better, but you will just
> >embarrass the smarter ones, who, like me, are able to do simple algebra.
> 
> >With good wishes and Happy August to all,
> 
> DCC me a photo of yourself to prove you are black.
> ...


Now _that's_ the funniest thing I've heard all day! I take back 
everything negative I've ever said about you up to this point, Richard. 
It is clear that your only problem is a congenital inability to 
understand the meaning of sentences written in English.

Wonderful world,

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From ka_strom@ix.netcom.com Sun Aug  4 22:05:40 PDT 1996
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Since their has never been a multiracial society where the races lived in 
harmony, equality, and brotherhood, it seems quite unlikely that the 
current overseers of the United States will succeed in the latest 
attempt.

I quite agree that Whites should do everything possible to encourage 
separatist movements of all peoples for their independence and freedom.

You have my

Best wishes,


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From ka_strom@ix.netcom.com Mon Aug  5 12:00:00 PDT 1996
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From: Kevin Alfred Strom 
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Though there are a few typographical errors in it (which I hope will be 
corrected in a future print edition), I highly recommend that every 
patriot read this series (j*ws parts 1-x as posted on 
alt.politics.white-power), originally entitled _The Hidden Tyranny_, by 
Benjamin H. Freedman. He is one of the unsung heroes of his people, and 
one of the most remarkable men of the 20th century.

Freedman was an insider to the Internationalist power structure, who 
defected to the American side.

With all good wishes,

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From ka_strom@ix.netcom.com Mon Aug  5 12:02:39 PDT 1996
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From: Kevin Alfred Strom 
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Though there are a few typographical errors in it (which I hope will be 
corrected in a future print edition), I highly recommend that every 
patriot read this series (j*ws parts 1-x as posted on 
alt.politics.white-power), originally entitled _The Hidden Tyranny_, by 
Benjamin H. Freedman. He is one of the unsung heroes of his people, and 
one of the most remarkable men of the 20th century.

Freedman was an insider to the Internationalist power structure, who 
defected to the American side.

With all good wishes,

-- 


Kevin Alfred Strom

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From ka_strom@ix.netcom.com Mon Aug  5 12:25:52 PDT 1996
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Though there are a few typographical errors in it (which I hope will be 
corrected in a future print edition), I highly recommend that every 
patriot read this series (j*ws parts 1-x as posted on 
alt.politics.white-power), originally entitled _The Hidden Tyranny_, by 
Benjamin H. Freedman. He is one of the unsung heroes of his people, and 
one of the most remarkable men of the 20th century.

Freedman was an insider to the Internationalist power structure, who 
defected to the American side.

With all good wishes,

-- 


Kevin Alfred Strom

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From ka_strom@ix.netcom.com Tue Aug  6 09:17:10 PDT 1996
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From: Kevin Alfred Strom 
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Subject: Re: ISN'T WHITE SELF-SACRIFICE A FORM OF WHITE SUPREMACY?
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Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
> ...
> 
> Hmmm... haven't seen any 'screaming liberals' lately, Whitaker.


Screaming liberals have been found:

http://syninfo.com/IAN/02146002.htm
http://burn.ucsd.edu/~archive/riot-l/1995.Mar/0045.html
http://140.190.65.12/~mpmclain/Text/clinton.html
http://www.sofmag.com/ffeditor.html
http://www.rnc.org/news/tide/9412/article05.html
http://www.newsday.com/books/bkagend.htm
http://www.atkinson.yorku.ca/exhibits/borderline/dec94/clinton.txt
http://www.essential.org/cpi/uti/clinton.html

And there are many others...



....
> 
> Specify who it is, exactly, that says 'EVERY majority white country must
> become "multiracial"'. Quote us some quotes. Cite us some proof. I smell
> the distinct aroma of straw man.

The proof is not in overt statements, which are probably rare. After all, 
did Stalin tell the world "I am going to starve the Ukrainians to death 
until they submit"?

The proof is in the fact that every Western government today promotes 
multiracialism, and all of the Western corporate media outlets give lip 
service to the new "anti-racist" moral paradigm.

The officially stated policy of the Australian government is to promote 
Asian immigration. They have expressly repudiated the old White Australia 
policy.

The European Union has stated its official opposition to "xenophobia" and 
"racism." If any European country were to close its doors to non-Whites, 
you would never hear the end of the howling, and sanctions would 
doubtlessly be imposed.

We all know what happened to White South Africa, South West Africa, and 
Rhodesia.

We all know about the official policies of the United States and Canada 
regarding non-White immigration and "integration."

That just about covers the few majority-White countries on this planet.

A far better question, Mr. Brown: Since you deny that _anyone_ actually 
believes that every majority-White country should become multiracial, 
quite obviously _you_ must not believe that every majority-White country 
should become multiracial. Will you please list for us the majority-White 
countries that, in your view, need not be multiracial?

Thank you.

As ever,


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From ka_strom@ix.netcom.com Wed Aug  7 13:26:45 PDT 1996
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From: Kevin Alfred Strom 
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Anonymous, obviously drunk, wrote:
> 
> A few comments about the NA and advocamy of Genocide.


I have never advocamated Genocide. I have also never advocated genocide. 
Please spell my name correctly next time.



> Genocide in its formal definition is NOT limited to physical extermination
> of a group based on racial, religious or ethnic origin.
> 
> Genocide may include forcibly expulsion of a group of people or even
> attempts to exterminate this
> group by denial sterilization.


I have never -- ever -- engaged in "denial sterilization." And never 
will.



> Since certain people want to cleanse the U.S. by expelling people of non
> white origin, such an attempt may be considered Genocide.


Well, I've offered several specific ideas for racial separation in my 
Usenet postings, all of which are available from DejaNews as far as I 
know. Why not discuss what I have actually said, instead of making 
incoherent and incorrect statements about me?

Try and lighten up on the drugs and booze -- they are not good for you.

With wishes for your speedy recovery,


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Lawyers: Proving White is Black


by Dr. William L. Pierce



I've spoken with you before about the breakdown of the judicial system
in this country. Right after the OJ Simpson trial last year I pointed
out that the courts in America have become terminally corrupt. I gave
you an example of this corruption: the 1992 trial of a young White man
named George Loeb in a Florida court. That was a case in which Mr Loeb
and his wife had gone to a supermarket to shop and in the parking lot
nearly had their car struck by a car driven by a young Black male. Angry
words were exchanged. Then the Black male drove away, and the Loebs did
their shopping.

When the Loebs returned to their car, the Black male drove back into the
parking lot, this time with a Black friend. He got out of his car and
approached the Loebs' car on foot. He had a brick in his hand and was
screaming that he intended to smash Mr. Loeb's head in with the brick.
Mr. Loeb snatched a pistol from the glove compartment of his car and
shot the Black dead. It was a clear case of self-defense.

A Jewish prosecutor, however, charged Mr. Loeb with murder, and he was
put on trial. With the permission of a cooperative judge, the prosecutor
read to the jury personal correspondence which had been illegally seized
>from  Mr. Loeb's home. The correspondence revealed that Mr. Loeb had a
strong dislike for Blacks. It revealed that he was a "White racist."

The jury did the Politically Correct thing and found Mr. Loeb guilty of
murder. Then the judge did the Politically Correct thing and sentenced
him to life in prison.

At the time I told you about the Loeb trial I pointed out that similarly
horrifying things happen in our court system all the time, and that the
average person never hears about them. I pointed out that the OJ Simpson
trial was unusual only in the amount of publicity it received, but
_not_ in its failure to yield a just verdict.

Now let's talk about another recent trial which illustrates my point.

That's the New York trial of Bernhard Goetz. Perhaps you remember when
this case first came to public attention, 12 years ago. Goetz, a
36-year-old electronics engineer, was riding the New York subway when
four Black thugs approached him and demanded that he give them money.
Goetz responded in a perfectly reasonable way: he pulled out his
revolver and shot all four of them. Unfortunately, he didn't kill them,
although he did cripple one of them. The three Blacks who weren't
crippled recovered and continued their lives of crime. And New York
being what it is, Goetz was arrested and charged with attempted murder
for protecting himself. He was also charged with having a weapon to
defend himself. He ended up going to prison for the better part of a
year. _For having a gun to defend himself._

And then a couple of Jewish lawyers from the Communist-front National
Lawyers Guild, William Kunstler and Ronald Kuby, sued Mr. Goetz on
behalf of one of the Blacks who had tried to rob him. The case dragged
through the courts, using up all of Mr. Goetz' savings. Kunstler died
during the process, but Kuby persevered. The case finally went to the
jury last month: a Bronx, New York, jury of four Blacks and two Puerto
Ricans. The jury decided that Mr Goetz should pay $43 million to the
Black who had tried to rob him. _Forty-three million dollars_.

The Jewish lawyer gloated over the verdict and crowed that it
"sends a message to all racists with guns who think young Black
lives are worth nothing. They're worth a lot."

Score another loss for decent folks. Score another win for the
Clintonistas. Score another win for the forces of corruption and
destruction. Score another win for the Jews.

You know, I don't want to create the impression that I believe that the
destruction of America's system of justice is entirely the Jews' doing.
They certainly are heavily involved in it. They were heavily involved,
decisively involved in all three cases I've cited as examples of what's
happened to our judicial system: the OJ Simpson trial, the George Loeb
trial, and the Bernhard Goetz trial. Jews are heavily involved in the
corruption and destruction of _every aspect_ of our civilization. It's
in their nature. But to be frank, our legal system was in serious
trouble even _before_ the Jews became involved in it.

Nearly three centuries ago, 270 years ago to be exact, the English
writer Jonathan Swift wrote of the lawyers of his day that they are,
"men . . . bred up from their youth in the art of proving by words
multiplied for the purpose that white is black, and black is white,
according as they are paid." Swift went on to give a satirical
illustration of the way the court system worked in the England of his
day. I'll quote just a few words of what he wrote. It's from his
best-known book, _Gulliver's Travels_, and I'm paraphrasing
it a bit. Swift explained:

"My neighbor . . . I will suppose, has a mind to my cow; he hires...
[a lawyer] to prove that he ought to have my cow from me. I must then
hire another of them to defend my right, it being against all rules of
law that any man should be allowed to speak for himself. Now in this
case, I who am the right owner lie under two great disadvantages. First,
my advocate, being as I said before practiced almost from his cradle in
defending falsehood, is quite out of his element when he would argue for
right, which as an office unnatural he attempts with great awkwardness,
if not with an ill will. The second disadvantage is that my advocate
must proceed with great caution, for since the maintenance of so many
depends on the keeping up of business, should he proceed too summarily,
if he does not incur the displeasure of his superiors, he is sure to
gain the ill will and hatred of his brethren as being by them esteemed
one that would lessen the practice of the law.

"This being the case, I have but two methods to preserve my cow. The
first is to gain over my adversary's advocate with a double fee....
The second way is for my advocate not to insist on the justice of my
cause, by allowing the cow to belong to my adversary; and this if it be
dexterously and skillfully done will go a great way toward obtaining a
favorable verdict, it having been found from a careful observation of
issues and events that the wrong side, under the management of such
practitioners, has the fairer chance for success....

"It is a maxim among these lawyers that whatever hath been done before
may legally be done again, and therefore they take special care to
record all the decisions formerly made against common justice and the
general reason of mankind. These, under the name of precedents, they
produce as authorities to justify the most iniquitous opinions....

"In pleading they studiously avoid entering into the merits of the
cause, but are loud, violent, and tedious in dwelling on all
circumstances which are not to the purpose. For instance, in the case
already mentioned they never desire to know what claim my adversary hath
to my cow, but whether the said cow were red or black, her horns long or
short, whether the field I graze her in be round or square, whether she
were milked at home or abroad, what diseases she is subject to, and the
like. After which, they consult precedents, adjourn the cause from time
to time, and in ten, twenty, or thirty years come to an issue."

Now Swift, as I mentioned, was a satirist, but there was much truth in
what he wrote about the lawyers and the judicial system of three hundred
years ago. It is striking how little that system has changed between
Swift's day and ours.

Four hundred years ago, at a time when there were no Jews at all in
England, Shakespeare had one of the characters in his play _King
Henry VI_ say, "The first thing we do, let's kill all the
lawyers." And that expression of popular sentiment was already
widespread in Shakespeare's day -- and not without reason.

The basic problem is that our legal profession never has been a
profession devoted to justice, but rather to arguing, as Swift noted,
that white is black or black is white, according as its practitioners
are paid. The principal aim of the profession is the enrichment of
lawyers, and the court system functions accordingly. And the lawyers who
become judges and rule over this system tend not to be the most just,
but rather the slickest, slyest, and most ambitious men of their
profession.

It was a bad system to start with, and that's our fault. It's something
we really must straighten out one of these days. But it has been made
much, much worse by the Jewish influx into the system during this
century. It has gotten to the point now where Blacks can literally get
away with murder, if they have the money to hire a clever lawyer and if
they can get a preponderance of Blacks on the jury. And Whites can
expect to be crucified by the system, in any case where race is an
issue, if they either cannot afford to pay a sufficiently clever and
aggressive lawyer, or if they are unfortunate enough to have a
preponderance of non-Whites on their jury. Poor Bernhard Goetz suffered
both from an incompetent lawyer, a Jewish lawyer, incidentally, just
like his adversary's lawyer, and from a non-White jury. The fellow's
life has been ruined, because he dared to resist a gang of Black
muggers.

Now, all of this does not mean that it is impossible
for a White person to get justice in our courts. If one is lucky, one
will not have the unfortunate circumstances that George Loeb and
Bernhard Goetz had. And of course, it helps a great deal to be
rich. Those who are very wealthy can still hope to buy justice
in the courts -- if they don't live in a place like New York or Los
Angeles. And there are still a few honorable and competent lawyers in
the profession. I know some of them personally. There may even be an
honest judge or two left in the system, who still put the law above
Political Correctness.

Nevertheless, those of us who have only modest means must look at an
encounter with the legal justice system in America almost like a game of
Russian roulette, especially where there is any racial issue. We've seen
over and over again, and not just in the OJ Simpson trial, the
reluctance of Black juries to convict Black criminals for offenses
against Whites. And we've seen the same sort of racially motivated
verdicts when Whites are tried by non-White juries. The fact is that
non-White jurors usually have a strong sense of racial consciousness.
They vote in accordance with their racial feelings instead of in
accordance with the law and the evidence.

And White jurors, unfortunately, lack this sense of racial
consciousness. They are far more likely to vote in a Politically Correct
manner, as they did in the George Loeb case, or to let themselves be
intimidated into going along with the Blacks, as was the case with the
two White women on the OJ Simpson jury. White Americans have been so
brainwashed and browbeaten by the controlled media that they are afraid
to express even the tiniest bit of racial feeling. There is nothing they
fear more than being thought to be racist. Some of them have even let
their natural racial feelings become inverted: their racial
consciousness has become racial self-hatred. They automatically
favor the non-White side in any racial issue.

So a judicial system which was bad enough back in the days when America
was still a White country has become much, much worse in the racially
polarized country we have today. Can you imagine what it will be like in
another 50 years, when Whites will be a minority in America? Imagine
that you've been obliged to shoot a Black or Mexican burglar in your
home or to defend your wife against a gang of non-White attackers.
Imagine a Jewish prosecutor then forcing you to stand trial before a
jury which has a non-White majority. A frightening prospect, isn't it,
regardless of whether or not the prosecutor will introduce any evidence
that your opinions on racial matters are not Politically Correct?

One would think that the legal profession itself would have tried to
keep matters from becoming as bad as they have, if only from
self-interest. They understand as well as anyone that when the public
loses its last traces of confidence in the system of justice, the
lawyers will be in trouble. But instead of trying to keep the system
working, they have let it be corrupted even further by Jewish pressure
groups pushing for what they call "hate crime" legislation. We've all
heard this yammering in the media about the need for new laws to stop
"hate crimes." The Jewish groups doing the pushing -- groups such as the
Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith, the Simon Wiesenthal Center, and
the so-called Southern Poverty Law Center are referred to respectfully
by the media as "human rights organizations," but that's a terrible 
misnomer. These organizations are working to take away our rights. They 
want to make it _illegal_ to say anything they don't like. Anything they 
don't like they call "hate speech." In the past they used to apply 
behind-the-scenes pressure in order to stifle the views they didn't like. 
They would approach publishers and demand that any book they deemed 
hostile to their own interests be withdrawn from publication. They wrote 
to librarians and demanded that books they didn't like be taken off the 
shelves. They contacted the owners of bookstores with the same demand.

In fact, they're still engaged in this sort of secret censorship. The
Southern Poverty Law Center and other Jewish organizations right now are
putting pressure on bookstore chains in an effort to keep one of my
books, _The Turner Diaries_, out of circulation. They like to wave it
around on television and quote from it and tell everyone what a
_dangerous_ book it is, what a _racist_ book it is, but they don't want
you to be able to read it for yourself.

Fortunately, most bookstore owners are becoming resistant to this sort
of un-American censorship effort. So these Jewish groups are lobbying
the lawyers and the politicians. They want the legislators in Congress
to help them abolish the First Amendment.

And they've also been lobbying for more laws against what they call
"hate crime". To them George Loeb was a "hate criminal" because he
defended himself and his wife against a Black attacker threatening them
with a brick. And Bernhard Goetz is a "hate criminal" because he
defended himself against four Black muggers on the subway. White people
who defend themselves against Blacks are "hate criminals."

Now, they won't come right out and state it that plainly, of course. But
that's what they _mean_ when they talk about "hate crime".
They want Whites to be afraid to defend themselves. They want White
people to be demoralized and intimidated. They want every White person
to feel guilty for even _thinking_ about defending himself
or his family or his property from the growing flood of non-Whites all
around him. That's what the Jewish lawyer who first bankrupted Bernhard
Goetz with litigation and then got a $43 million judgment against him
meant when he gloatingly announced that the verdict of the non-White
jury, "sends a message to all racists with guns."

You can't defend yourselves from us, Kuby was smirking. In effect, he
was saying, _If you don't let us do whatever we want, you're a
hate criminal, and we'll use the justice system to destroy you_.

And in fact, that's what's happening. The court system in America has
become so corrupt that it is being used by the enemies of our people to
take away our most fundamental rights. And those who have corrupted the
system are working day and night to institutionalize the corruption.
They are working with the politicians to ensure that the shocking
miscarriages of justice they obtained in the Loeb trial in Florida and
the Goetz trial in New York become the rule everywhere. And the White
lawyers and judges are putting up very little resistance. They don't
want to rock the boat. They don't want to endanger their own positions
in the system. They know that anything they say against what is
happening will be condemned by the controlled media and by many of their
own colleagues as "hate speech." So they're permitting the Jews to
corrupt the system and in many cases are even helping them.

What can we do about this frightening and depressing situation, besides
trying our best to avoid any encounter with courts or lawyers? Shall we
promise ourselves that if we ever have to shoot a burglar we'll just get
rid of the body and not call the police? Shall we promise ourselves that
if we ever have to defend ourselves against a non-White mugger we'll
leave no witnesses alive to testify against us?

No, that's really not practical.

The first thing that we can do is stop being frightened and depressed
and instead become _angry._ Our enemies want us to be frightened and
depressed. That's what they intend when they gloat and announce that
they're sending a message to all "racists with guns." So instead of
being intimidated by this Jewish arrogance, we must become _enraged_.

We must become _boiling mad._ We must let our anger reinforce our
determination to put a final and total end to their corrupt system, no
matter what it takes.

And the second thing that we must do is speak up.

Don't remain silent in the face of this Jewish assault on our freedom
and on our civilization. When a mostly Black jury frees a Black
murderer, as in the OJ Simpson trial, express your outrage! Don't be
afraid of being called a "racist." When a White man is punished for
defending himself against Black criminals, speak up! Tell people what
you think.

That's what we're doing with this program. We're speaking up. We're
telling people what we think about the destruction of our justice
system. And we're finding that more and more people agree with us.

You speak up too. Don't be afraid!
-- 

this program written by William Pierce

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Anonymous, obviously drunk, wrote:
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> A few comments about the NA and advocamy of Genocide.


I have never advocamated Genocide. I have also never advocated genocide. 
Please spell my name correctly next time.



> Genocide in its formal definition is NOT limited to physical extermination
> of a group based on racial, religious or ethnic origin.
> 
> Genocide may include forcibly expulsion of a group of people or even
> attempts to exterminate this
> group by denial sterilization.


I have never -- ever -- engaged in "denial sterilization." And never 
will.



> Since certain people want to cleanse the U.S. by expelling people of non
> white origin, such an attempt may be considered Genocide.


Well, I've offered several specific ideas for racial separation in my 
Usenet postings, all of which are available from DejaNews as far as I 
know. Why not discuss what I have actually said, instead of making 
incoherent and incorrect statements about me?

Try and lighten up on the drugs and booze -- they are not good for you.

With wishes for your speedy recovery,


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Lawyers: Proving White is Black


by Dr. William L. Pierce



I've spoken with you before about the breakdown of the judicial system
in this country. Right after the OJ Simpson trial last year I pointed
out that the courts in America have become terminally corrupt. I gave
you an example of this corruption: the 1992 trial of a young White man
named George Loeb in a Florida court. That was a case in which Mr Loeb
and his wife had gone to a supermarket to shop and in the parking lot
nearly had their car struck by a car driven by a young Black male. Angry
words were exchanged. Then the Black male drove away, and the Loebs did
their shopping.

When the Loebs returned to their car, the Black male drove back into the
parking lot, this time with a Black friend. He got out of his car and
approached the Loebs' car on foot. He had a brick in his hand and was
screaming that he intended to smash Mr. Loeb's head in with the brick.
Mr. Loeb snatched a pistol from the glove compartment of his car and
shot the Black dead. It was a clear case of self-defense.

A Jewish prosecutor, however, charged Mr. Loeb with murder, and he was
put on trial. With the permission of a cooperative judge, the prosecutor
read to the jury personal correspondence which had been illegally seized
>from  Mr. Loeb's home. The correspondence revealed that Mr. Loeb had a
strong dislike for Blacks. It revealed that he was a "White racist."

The jury did the Politically Correct thing and found Mr. Loeb guilty of
murder. Then the judge did the Politically Correct thing and sentenced
him to life in prison.

At the time I told you about the Loeb trial I pointed out that similarly
horrifying things happen in our court system all the time, and that the
average person never hears about them. I pointed out that the OJ Simpson
trial was unusual only in the amount of publicity it received, but
_not_ in its failure to yield a just verdict.

Now let's talk about another recent trial which illustrates my point.

That's the New York trial of Bernhard Goetz. Perhaps you remember when
this case first came to public attention, 12 years ago. Goetz, a
36-year-old electronics engineer, was riding the New York subway when
four Black thugs approached him and demanded that he give them money.
Goetz responded in a perfectly reasonable way: he pulled out his
revolver and shot all four of them. Unfortunately, he didn't kill them,
although he did cripple one of them. The three Blacks who weren't
crippled recovered and continued their lives of crime. And New York
being what it is, Goetz was arrested and charged with attempted murder
for protecting himself. He was also charged with having a weapon to
defend himself. He ended up going to prison for the better part of a
year. _For having a gun to defend himself._

And then a couple of Jewish lawyers from the Communist-front National
Lawyers Guild, William Kunstler and Ronald Kuby, sued Mr. Goetz on
behalf of one of the Blacks who had tried to rob him. The case dragged
through the courts, using up all of Mr. Goetz' savings. Kunstler died
during the process, but Kuby persevered. The case finally went to the
jury last month: a Bronx, New York, jury of four Blacks and two Puerto
Ricans. The jury decided that Mr Goetz should pay $43 million to the
Black who had tried to rob him. _Forty-three million dollars_.

The Jewish lawyer gloated over the verdict and crowed that it
"sends a message to all racists with guns who think young Black
lives are worth nothing. They're worth a lot."

Score another loss for decent folks. Score another win for the
Clintonistas. Score another win for the forces of corruption and
destruction. Score another win for the Jews.

You know, I don't want to create the impression that I believe that the
destruction of America's system of justice is entirely the Jews' doing.
They certainly are heavily involved in it. They were heavily involved,
decisively involved in all three cases I've cited as examples of what's
happened to our judicial system: the OJ Simpson trial, the George Loeb
trial, and the Bernhard Goetz trial. Jews are heavily involved in the
corruption and destruction of _every aspect_ of our civilization. It's
in their nature. But to be frank, our legal system was in serious
trouble even _before_ the Jews became involved in it.

Nearly three centuries ago, 270 years ago to be exact, the English
writer Jonathan Swift wrote of the lawyers of his day that they are,
"men . . . bred up from their youth in the art of proving by words
multiplied for the purpose that white is black, and black is white,
according as they are paid." Swift went on to give a satirical
illustration of the way the court system worked in the England of his
day. I'll quote just a few words of what he wrote. It's from his
best-known book, _Gulliver's Travels_, and I'm paraphrasing
it a bit. Swift explained:

"My neighbor . . . I will suppose, has a mind to my cow; he hires...
[a lawyer] to prove that he ought to have my cow from me. I must then
hire another of them to defend my right, it being against all rules of
law that any man should be allowed to speak for himself. Now in this
case, I who am the right owner lie under two great disadvantages. First,
my advocate, being as I said before practiced almost from his cradle in
defending falsehood, is quite out of his element when he would argue for
right, which as an office unnatural he attempts with great awkwardness,
if not with an ill will. The second disadvantage is that my advocate
must proceed with great caution, for since the maintenance of so many
depends on the keeping up of business, should he proceed too summarily,
if he does not incur the displeasure of his superiors, he is sure to
gain the ill will and hatred of his brethren as being by them esteemed
one that would lessen the practice of the law.

"This being the case, I have but two methods to preserve my cow. The
first is to gain over my adversary's advocate with a double fee....
The second way is for my advocate not to insist on the justice of my
cause, by allowing the cow to belong to my adversary; and this if it be
dexterously and skillfully done will go a great way toward obtaining a
favorable verdict, it having been found from a careful observation of
issues and events that the wrong side, under the management of such
practitioners, has the fairer chance for success....

"It is a maxim among these lawyers that whatever hath been done before
may legally be done again, and therefore they take special care to
record all the decisions formerly made against common justice and the
general reason of mankind. These, under the name of precedents, they
produce as authorities to justify the most iniquitous opinions....

"In pleading they studiously avoid entering into the merits of the
cause, but are loud, violent, and tedious in dwelling on all
circumstances which are not to the purpose. For instance, in the case
already mentioned they never desire to know what claim my adversary hath
to my cow, but whether the said cow were red or black, her horns long or
short, whether the field I graze her in be round or square, whether she
were milked at home or abroad, what diseases she is subject to, and the
like. After which, they consult precedents, adjourn the cause from time
to time, and in ten, twenty, or thirty years come to an issue."

Now Swift, as I mentioned, was a satirist, but there was much truth in
what he wrote about the lawyers and the judicial system of three hundred
years ago. It is striking how little that system has changed between
Swift's day and ours.

Four hundred years ago, at a time when there were no Jews at all in
England, Shakespeare had one of the characters in his play _King
Henry VI_ say, "The first thing we do, let's kill all the
lawyers." And that expression of popular sentiment was already
widespread in Shakespeare's day -- and not without reason.

The basic problem is that our legal profession never has been a
profession devoted to justice, but rather to arguing, as Swift noted,
that white is black or black is white, according as its practitioners
are paid. The principal aim of the profession is the enrichment of
lawyers, and the court system functions accordingly. And the lawyers who
become judges and rule over this system tend not to be the most just,
but rather the slickest, slyest, and most ambitious men of their
profession.

It was a bad system to start with, and that's our fault. It's something
we really must straighten out one of these days. But it has been made
much, much worse by the Jewish influx into the system during this
century. It has gotten to the point now where Blacks can literally get
away with murder, if they have the money to hire a clever lawyer and if
they can get a preponderance of Blacks on the jury. And Whites can
expect to be crucified by the system, in any case where race is an
issue, if they either cannot afford to pay a sufficiently clever and
aggressive lawyer, or if they are unfortunate enough to have a
preponderance of non-Whites on their jury. Poor Bernhard Goetz suffered
both from an incompetent lawyer, a Jewish lawyer, incidentally, just
like his adversary's lawyer, and from a non-White jury. The fellow's
life has been ruined, because he dared to resist a gang of Black
muggers.

Now, all of this does not mean that it is impossible
for a White person to get justice in our courts. If one is lucky, one
will not have the unfortunate circumstances that George Loeb and
Bernhard Goetz had. And of course, it helps a great deal to be
rich. Those who are very wealthy can still hope to buy justice
in the courts -- if they don't live in a place like New York or Los
Angeles. And there are still a few honorable and competent lawyers in
the profession. I know some of them personally. There may even be an
honest judge or two left in the system, who still put the law above
Political Correctness.

Nevertheless, those of us who have only modest means must look at an
encounter with the legal justice system in America almost like a game of
Russian roulette, especially where there is any racial issue. We've seen
over and over again, and not just in the OJ Simpson trial, the
reluctance of Black juries to convict Black criminals for offenses
against Whites. And we've seen the same sort of racially motivated
verdicts when Whites are tried by non-White juries. The fact is that
non-White jurors usually have a strong sense of racial consciousness.
They vote in accordance with their racial feelings instead of in
accordance with the law and the evidence.

And White jurors, unfortunately, lack this sense of racial
consciousness. They are far more likely to vote in a Politically Correct
manner, as they did in the George Loeb case, or to let themselves be
intimidated into going along with the Blacks, as was the case with the
two White women on the OJ Simpson jury. White Americans have been so
brainwashed and browbeaten by the controlled media that they are afraid
to express even the tiniest bit of racial feeling. There is nothing they
fear more than being thought to be racist. Some of them have even let
their natural racial feelings become inverted: their racial
consciousness has become racial self-hatred. They automatically
favor the non-White side in any racial issue.

So a judicial system which was bad enough back in the days when America
was still a White country has become much, much worse in the racially
polarized country we have today. Can you imagine what it will be like in
another 50 years, when Whites will be a minority in America? Imagine
that you've been obliged to shoot a Black or Mexican burglar in your
home or to defend your wife against a gang of non-White attackers.
Imagine a Jewish prosecutor then forcing you to stand trial before a
jury which has a non-White majority. A frightening prospect, isn't it,
regardless of whether or not the prosecutor will introduce any evidence
that your opinions on racial matters are not Politically Correct?

One would think that the legal profession itself would have tried to
keep matters from becoming as bad as they have, if only from
self-interest. They understand as well as anyone that when the public
loses its last traces of confidence in the system of justice, the
lawyers will be in trouble. But instead of trying to keep the system
working, they have let it be corrupted even further by Jewish pressure
groups pushing for what they call "hate crime" legislation. We've all
heard this yammering in the media about the need for new laws to stop
"hate crimes." The Jewish groups doing the pushing -- groups such as the
Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith, the Simon Wiesenthal Center, and
the so-called Southern Poverty Law Center are referred to respectfully
by the media as "human rights organizations," but that's a terrible 
misnomer. These organizations are working to take away our rights. They 
want to make it _illegal_ to say anything they don't like. Anything they 
don't like they call "hate speech." In the past they used to apply 
behind-the-scenes pressure in order to stifle the views they didn't like. 
They would approach publishers and demand that any book they deemed 
hostile to their own interests be withdrawn from publication. They wrote 
to librarians and demanded that books they didn't like be taken off the 
shelves. They contacted the owners of bookstores with the same demand.

In fact, they're still engaged in this sort of secret censorship. The
Southern Poverty Law Center and other Jewish organizations right now are
putting pressure on bookstore chains in an effort to keep one of my
books, _The Turner Diaries_, out of circulation. They like to wave it
around on television and quote from it and tell everyone what a
_dangerous_ book it is, what a _racist_ book it is, but they don't want
you to be able to read it for yourself.

Fortunately, most bookstore owners are becoming resistant to this sort
of un-American censorship effort. So these Jewish groups are lobbying
the lawyers and the politicians. They want the legislators in Congress
to help them abolish the First Amendment.

And they've also been lobbying for more laws against what they call
"hate crime". To them George Loeb was a "hate criminal" because he
defended himself and his wife against a Black attacker threatening them
with a brick. And Bernhard Goetz is a "hate criminal" because he
defended himself against four Black muggers on the subway. White people
who defend themselves against Blacks are "hate criminals."

Now, they won't come right out and state it that plainly, of course. But
that's what they _mean_ when they talk about "hate crime".
They want Whites to be afraid to defend themselves. They want White
people to be demoralized and intimidated. They want every White person
to feel guilty for even _thinking_ about defending himself
or his family or his property from the growing flood of non-Whites all
around him. That's what the Jewish lawyer who first bankrupted Bernhard
Goetz with litigation and then got a $43 million judgment against him
meant when he gloatingly announced that the verdict of the non-White
jury, "sends a message to all racists with guns."

You can't defend yourselves from us, Kuby was smirking. In effect, he
was saying, _If you don't let us do whatever we want, you're a
hate criminal, and we'll use the justice system to destroy you_.

And in fact, that's what's happening. The court system in America has
become so corrupt that it is being used by the enemies of our people to
take away our most fundamental rights. And those who have corrupted the
system are working day and night to institutionalize the corruption.
They are working with the politicians to ensure that the shocking
miscarriages of justice they obtained in the Loeb trial in Florida and
the Goetz trial in New York become the rule everywhere. And the White
lawyers and judges are putting up very little resistance. They don't
want to rock the boat. They don't want to endanger their own positions
in the system. They know that anything they say against what is
happening will be condemned by the controlled media and by many of their
own colleagues as "hate speech." So they're permitting the Jews to
corrupt the system and in many cases are even helping them.

What can we do about this frightening and depressing situation, besides
trying our best to avoid any encounter with courts or lawyers? Shall we
promise ourselves that if we ever have to shoot a burglar we'll just get
rid of the body and not call the police? Shall we promise ourselves that
if we ever have to defend ourselves against a non-White mugger we'll
leave no witnesses alive to testify against us?

No, that's really not practical.

The first thing that we can do is stop being frightened and depressed
and instead become _angry._ Our enemies want us to be frightened and
depressed. That's what they intend when they gloat and announce that
they're sending a message to all "racists with guns." So instead of
being intimidated by this Jewish arrogance, we must become _enraged_.

We must become _boiling mad._ We must let our anger reinforce our
determination to put a final and total end to their corrupt system, no
matter what it takes.

And the second thing that we must do is speak up.

Don't remain silent in the face of this Jewish assault on our freedom
and on our civilization. When a mostly Black jury frees a Black
murderer, as in the OJ Simpson trial, express your outrage! Don't be
afraid of being called a "racist." When a White man is punished for
defending himself against Black criminals, speak up! Tell people what
you think.

That's what we're doing with this program. We're speaking up. We're
telling people what we think about the destruction of our justice
system. And we're finding that more and more people agree with us.

You speak up too. Don't be afraid!
-- 

this program written by William Pierce

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Robert Alpert wrote:
> 
> Kevin Alfred Strom (ka_strom@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
> > corrected in a future print edition), I highly recommend that every
> > patriot read this series (j*ws parts 1-x as posted on
> 
> Yes, highly recommended, it is good for a laugh.  Got some great
> chuckles out of it myself.  Of course that's about all that the
> cowardly white trash who post this kind of garbage are good for.
> 
> --
>      Bob Alpert
>      alpert@netaxs.com


Laugh if you like, but Benjamin Freedman was not an object of amusement 
during his lifetime, even to his political opponents. See _Commentary_ (a 
publication of the American Jewish Committee) for February, 1955.

Freedman was a wealthy Jewish businessman of New York City (he was the 
principal owner of the Woodbury Soap Company), who spent the greater part 
of his fortune -- about 2.5 million dollars --  and about 30 years of his 
life in an effort to awaken Americans to the dangers posed by the Jewish 
power structure which he defected from after the War to Save the Soviet 
in 1945.

Freedman had been an insider at the highest levels of American politics 
and business for decades and was personally acquainted with Woodrow 
Wilson, Bernard Baruch, Joseph Kennedy, and many other movers and shakers 
of our century.

He was also a gentleman, which cannot be said for some on this 
newsgroup.

His words deserve to be heard.

With good wishes,

-- 


Kevin Alfred Strom

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Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
> 
> In article <3205F21C.54E8@ix.netcom.com>, Kevin Alfred Strom
>  wrote:
> 
> > Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
> > > ...
> > >
> > > Hmmm... haven't seen any 'screaming liberals' lately, Whitaker.
> >
> >
> > Screaming liberals have been found:
> >
> > http://syninfo.com/IAN/02146002.htm
> 
> That's called "hearsay", Strom.
> 
> > http://burn.ucsd.edu/~archive/riot-l/1995.Mar/0045.html
> 
> "Castro greeted like rock star at Copenhagen rally" -- No mention of the
> political persuasions of the people in the audience,. Strom. Perhaps you
> can supply data?
> 


You didn't read it. It states "screaming leftists" greeted Grampa Fidel. 
Every file cited has at least one screaming leftist, liberal, or member 
of the Clinton family in it. Isn't the 'Net fun?

Are you actually serious about trying to debunk the claim that liberals 
sometimes scream? Don't you have a sense of humor -- or isn't that in 
your coding? Geez...!

Watch Jeffrey continue to seriously check each link for documented proof 
that liberals scream. Watch Jeffrey debunk the evil racist lie that 
liberals sometimes scream. Watch Jeffrey...



> > http://140.190.65.12/~mpmclain/Text/clinton.html
> 
> An off-color joke about Hillary Clinton. You really must raise your
> standards concerning what you will accept as factual, Strom.
> 
> > http://www.sofmag.com/ffeditor.html
> 
> Ho-hum. Another article claiming the author knows what happened at Waco,
> and why. Relevance?
> 
> > http://www.rnc.org/news/tide/9412/article05.html
> 
> "The server does not have a DNS entry."
> 
> > http://www.newsday.com/books/bkagend.htm
> 
> Same hearsay as your first reference. You could try some originality...
> 
> > http://www.atkinson.yorku.ca/exhibits/borderline/dec94/clinton.txt
> 
> That's called "fiction", Strom. Did you have problems with the concept in
> 8th-grade English class, too?
> 
> > http://www.essential.org/cpi/uti/clinton.html
> 
> A long and rather soporific list of White House advisors, from the Center
> for Public Integrity. Relevance?
> 
> > And there are many others...
> 
> Given the standards by which you apparently selected the list above, I
> have no doubt that you think there are...
> 


Whew!



> > > Specify who it is, exactly, that says 'EVERY majority white country must
> > > become "multiracial"'. Quote us some quotes. Cite us some proof. I smell
> > > the distinct aroma of straw man.
> >
> > The proof is not in overt statements, which are probably rare. After all,
> > did Stalin tell the world "I am going to starve the Ukrainians to death
> > until they submit"?
> >
> > The proof is in the fact that every Western government today promotes
> > multiracialism, and all of the Western corporate media outlets give lip
> > service to the new "anti-racist" moral paradigm.
> 
> Two more assertions. When will you tumble to the fact that unsupported
> assertions cannot be supported by more unsupported assertions?
> 


Now, if I were like the jg-brown-bot I would immediately respond by 
demanding:

"References, Brown. Quotes. Provide proof of your assertion about 
assertions! Or slink back to the hole or wherever you anti-racists were 
spawned in. Coward." Have I got it about right?

Anyone reasonably conversant with world affairs, who reads a few 
newspapers from around the country and occasionally overseas, and who has 
access to the wire services and the BBC or the equivalent, is well aware 
that the multiracial paradigm is accepted by all major Western 
governments and media outlets today, though that acceptance may differ 
in degree. He is also aware that no Western nation today, unless you 
count Israel as a Western nation, has racial qualifications for 
citizenship or residency. It is ridiculous to demand proof of this.


....
> >
> > A far better question, Mr. Brown: Since you deny that _anyone_ actually
> > believes that every majority-White country should become multiracial,...
> 
> I did? Where? Quote me, please.



Sure, in message  you 
stated (and even quoted it yourself above):

"Specify who it is, exactly, that says 'EVERY majority white country must
become "multiracial"'. Quote us some quotes. Cite us some proof. I smell
the distinct aroma of straw man."

By using the phrase "straw man" to Mr. Whitaker, you implied that he was 
setting up a fictitious liberal position, easy to shoot down but actually 
held by no one. That is the common meaning of the phrase "straw man."

You state that the position that 'EVERY majority white country must
become "multiracial"' is a straw man created by Whitaker. Therefore you 
demanded proof that anyone has ever said such a thing. If you need proof 
of that, then _obviously_ you must not hold such a position yourself. It 
is quite reasonable, then, to ask you:

1) Do you hold the position that all majority-White countries must be 
multiracial?

2) If you do not hold that position, then please list the majority-White 
countries which, in your view, need not be multiracial?

These are simple questions, so please don't try to evade them this time. 
Such an act might be viewed as, well, cowardly.

Honor bright,

-- 


Kevin Alfred Strom

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Lawyers: Proving White is Black


by Dr. William L. Pierce



I've spoken with you before about the breakdown of the judicial system
in this country. Right after the OJ Simpson trial last year I pointed
out that the courts in America have become terminally corrupt. I gave
you an example of this corruption: the 1992 trial of a young White man
named George Loeb in a Florida court. That was a case in which Mr Loeb
and his wife had gone to a supermarket to shop and in the parking lot
nearly had their car struck by a car driven by a young Black male. Angry
words were exchanged. Then the Black male drove away, and the Loebs did
their shopping.

When the Loebs returned to their car, the Black male drove back into the
parking lot, this time with a Black friend. He got out of his car and
approached the Loebs' car on foot. He had a brick in his hand and was
screaming that he intended to smash Mr. Loeb's head in with the brick.
Mr. Loeb snatched a pistol from the glove compartment of his car and
shot the Black dead. It was a clear case of self-defense.

A Jewish prosecutor, however, charged Mr. Loeb with murder, and he was
put on trial. With the permission of a cooperative judge, the prosecutor
read to the jury personal correspondence which had been illegally seized
>from  Mr. Loeb's home. The correspondence revealed that Mr. Loeb had a
strong dislike for Blacks. It revealed that he was a "White racist."

The jury did the Politically Correct thing and found Mr. Loeb guilty of
murder. Then the judge did the Politically Correct thing and sentenced
him to life in prison.

At the time I told you about the Loeb trial I pointed out that similarly
horrifying things happen in our court system all the time, and that the
average person never hears about them. I pointed out that the OJ Simpson
trial was unusual only in the amount of publicity it received, but
_not_ in its failure to yield a just verdict.

Now let's talk about another recent trial which illustrates my point.

That's the New York trial of Bernhard Goetz. Perhaps you remember when
this case first came to public attention, 12 years ago. Goetz, a
36-year-old electronics engineer, was riding the New York subway when
four Black thugs approached him and demanded that he give them money.
Goetz responded in a perfectly reasonable way: he pulled out his
revolver and shot all four of them. Unfortunately, he didn't kill them,
although he did cripple one of them. The three Blacks who weren't
crippled recovered and continued their lives of crime. And New York
being what it is, Goetz was arrested and charged with attempted murder
for protecting himself. He was also charged with having a weapon to
defend himself. He ended up going to prison for the better part of a
year. _For having a gun to defend himself._

And then a couple of Jewish lawyers from the Communist-front National
Lawyers Guild, William Kunstler and Ronald Kuby, sued Mr. Goetz on
behalf of one of the Blacks who had tried to rob him. The case dragged
through the courts, using up all of Mr. Goetz' savings. Kunstler died
during the process, but Kuby persevered. The case finally went to the
jury last month: a Bronx, New York, jury of four Blacks and two Puerto
Ricans. The jury decided that Mr Goetz should pay $43 million to the
Black who had tried to rob him. _Forty-three million dollars_.

The Jewish lawyer gloated over the verdict and crowed that it
"sends a message to all racists with guns who think young Black
lives are worth nothing. They're worth a lot."

Score another loss for decent folks. Score another win for the
Clintonistas. Score another win for the forces of corruption and
destruction. Score another win for the Jews.

You know, I don't want to create the impression that I believe that the
destruction of America's system of justice is entirely the Jews' doing.
They certainly are heavily involved in it. They were heavily involved,
decisively involved in all three cases I've cited as examples of what's
happened to our judicial system: the OJ Simpson trial, the George Loeb
trial, and the Bernhard Goetz trial. Jews are heavily involved in the
corruption and destruction of _every aspect_ of our civilization. It's
in their nature. But to be frank, our legal system was in serious
trouble even _before_ the Jews became involved in it.

Nearly three centuries ago, 270 years ago to be exact, the English
writer Jonathan Swift wrote of the lawyers of his day that they are,
"men . . . bred up from their youth in the art of proving by words
multiplied for the purpose that white is black, and black is white,
according as they are paid." Swift went on to give a satirical
illustration of the way the court system worked in the England of his
day. I'll quote just a few words of what he wrote. It's from his
best-known book, _Gulliver's Travels_, and I'm paraphrasing
it a bit. Swift explained:

"My neighbor . . . I will suppose, has a mind to my cow; he hires...
[a lawyer] to prove that he ought to have my cow from me. I must then
hire another of them to defend my right, it being against all rules of
law that any man should be allowed to speak for himself. Now in this
case, I who am the right owner lie under two great disadvantages. First,
my advocate, being as I said before practiced almost from his cradle in
defending falsehood, is quite out of his element when he would argue for
right, which as an office unnatural he attempts with great awkwardness,
if not with an ill will. The second disadvantage is that my advocate
must proceed with great caution, for since the maintenance of so many
depends on the keeping up of business, should he proceed too summarily,
if he does not incur the displeasure of his superiors, he is sure to
gain the ill will and hatred of his brethren as being by them esteemed
one that would lessen the practice of the law.

"This being the case, I have but two methods to preserve my cow. The
first is to gain over my adversary's advocate with a double fee....
The second way is for my advocate not to insist on the justice of my
cause, by allowing the cow to belong to my adversary; and this if it be
dexterously and skillfully done will go a great way toward obtaining a
favorable verdict, it having been found from a careful observation of
issues and events that the wrong side, under the management of such
practitioners, has the fairer chance for success....

"It is a maxim among these lawyers that whatever hath been done before
may legally be done again, and therefore they take special care to
record all the decisions formerly made against common justice and the
general reason of mankind. These, under the name of precedents, they
produce as authorities to justify the most iniquitous opinions....

"In pleading they studiously avoid entering into the merits of the
cause, but are loud, violent, and tedious in dwelling on all
circumstances which are not to the purpose. For instance, in the case
already mentioned they never desire to know what claim my adversary hath
to my cow, but whether the said cow were red or black, her horns long or
short, whether the field I graze her in be round or square, whether she
were milked at home or abroad, what diseases she is subject to, and the
like. After which, they consult precedents, adjourn the cause from time
to time, and in ten, twenty, or thirty years come to an issue."

Now Swift, as I mentioned, was a satirist, but there was much truth in
what he wrote about the lawyers and the judicial system of three hundred
years ago. It is striking how little that system has changed between
Swift's day and ours.

Four hundred years ago, at a time when there were no Jews at all in
England, Shakespeare had one of the characters in his play _King
Henry VI_ say, "The first thing we do, let's kill all the
lawyers." And that expression of popular sentiment was already
widespread in Shakespeare's day -- and not without reason.

The basic problem is that our legal profession never has been a
profession devoted to justice, but rather to arguing, as Swift noted,
that white is black or black is white, according as its practitioners
are paid. The principal aim of the profession is the enrichment of
lawyers, and the court system functions accordingly. And the lawyers who
become judges and rule over this system tend not to be the most just,
but rather the slickest, slyest, and most ambitious men of their
profession.

It was a bad system to start with, and that's our fault. It's something
we really must straighten out one of these days. But it has been made
much, much worse by the Jewish influx into the system during this
century. It has gotten to the point now where Blacks can literally get
away with murder, if they have the money to hire a clever lawyer and if
they can get a preponderance of Blacks on the jury. And Whites can
expect to be crucified by the system, in any case where race is an
issue, if they either cannot afford to pay a sufficiently clever and
aggressive lawyer, or if they are unfortunate enough to have a
preponderance of non-Whites on their jury. Poor Bernhard Goetz suffered
both from an incompetent lawyer, a Jewish lawyer, incidentally, just
like his adversary's lawyer, and from a non-White jury. The fellow's
life has been ruined, because he dared to resist a gang of Black
muggers.

Now, all of this does not mean that it is impossible
for a White person to get justice in our courts. If one is lucky, one
will not have the unfortunate circumstances that George Loeb and
Bernhard Goetz had. And of course, it helps a great deal to be
rich. Those who are very wealthy can still hope to buy justice
in the courts -- if they don't live in a place like New York or Los
Angeles. And there are still a few honorable and competent lawyers in
the profession. I know some of them personally. There may even be an
honest judge or two left in the system, who still put the law above
Political Correctness.

Nevertheless, those of us who have only modest means must look at an
encounter with the legal justice system in America almost like a game of
Russian roulette, especially where there is any racial issue. We've seen
over and over again, and not just in the OJ Simpson trial, the
reluctance of Black juries to convict Black criminals for offenses
against Whites. And we've seen the same sort of racially motivated
verdicts when Whites are tried by non-White juries. The fact is that
non-White jurors usually have a strong sense of racial consciousness.
They vote in accordance with their racial feelings instead of in
accordance with the law and the evidence.

And White jurors, unfortunately, lack this sense of racial
consciousness. They are far more likely to vote in a Politically Correct
manner, as they did in the George Loeb case, or to let themselves be
intimidated into going along with the Blacks, as was the case with the
two White women on the OJ Simpson jury. White Americans have been so
brainwashed and browbeaten by the controlled media that they are afraid
to express even the tiniest bit of racial feeling. There is nothing they
fear more than being thought to be racist. Some of them have even let
their natural racial feelings become inverted: their racial
consciousness has become racial self-hatred. They automatically
favor the non-White side in any racial issue.

So a judicial system which was bad enough back in the days when America
was still a White country has become much, much worse in the racially
polarized country we have today. Can you imagine what it will be like in
another 50 years, when Whites will be a minority in America? Imagine
that you've been obliged to shoot a Black or Mexican burglar in your
home or to defend your wife against a gang of non-White attackers.
Imagine a Jewish prosecutor then forcing you to stand trial before a
jury which has a non-White majority. A frightening prospect, isn't it,
regardless of whether or not the prosecutor will introduce any evidence
that your opinions on racial matters are not Politically Correct?

One would think that the legal profession itself would have tried to
keep matters from becoming as bad as they have, if only from
self-interest. They understand as well as anyone that when the public
loses its last traces of confidence in the system of justice, the
lawyers will be in trouble. But instead of trying to keep the system
working, they have let it be corrupted even further by Jewish pressure
groups pushing for what they call "hate crime" legislation. We've all
heard this yammering in the media about the need for new laws to stop
"hate crimes." The Jewish groups doing the pushing -- groups such as the
Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith, the Simon Wiesenthal Center, and
the so-called Southern Poverty Law Center are referred to respectfully
by the media as "human rights organizations," but that's a terrible 
misnomer. These organizations are working to take away our rights. They 
want to make it _illegal_ to say anything they don't like. Anything they 
don't like they call "hate speech." In the past they used to apply 
behind-the-scenes pressure in order to stifle the views they didn't like. 
They would approach publishers and demand that any book they deemed 
hostile to their own interests be withdrawn from publication. They wrote 
to librarians and demanded that books they didn't like be taken off the 
shelves. They contacted the owners of bookstores with the same demand.

In fact, they're still engaged in this sort of secret censorship. The
Southern Poverty Law Center and other Jewish organizations right now are
putting pressure on bookstore chains in an effort to keep one of my
books, _The Turner Diaries_, out of circulation. They like to wave it
around on television and quote from it and tell everyone what a
_dangerous_ book it is, what a _racist_ book it is, but they don't want
you to be able to read it for yourself.

Fortunately, most bookstore owners are becoming resistant to this sort
of un-American censorship effort. So these Jewish groups are lobbying
the lawyers and the politicians. They want the legislators in Congress
to help them abolish the First Amendment.

And they've also been lobbying for more laws against what they call
"hate crime". To them George Loeb was a "hate criminal" because he
defended himself and his wife against a Black attacker threatening them
with a brick. And Bernhard Goetz is a "hate criminal" because he
defended himself against four Black muggers on the subway. White people
who defend themselves against Blacks are "hate criminals."

Now, they won't come right out and state it that plainly, of course. But
that's what they _mean_ when they talk about "hate crime".
They want Whites to be afraid to defend themselves. They want White
people to be demoralized and intimidated. They want every White person
to feel guilty for even _thinking_ about defending himself
or his family or his property from the growing flood of non-Whites all
around him. That's what the Jewish lawyer who first bankrupted Bernhard
Goetz with litigation and then got a $43 million judgment against him
meant when he gloatingly announced that the verdict of the non-White
jury, "sends a message to all racists with guns."

You can't defend yourselves from us, Kuby was smirking. In effect, he
was saying, _If you don't let us do whatever we want, you're a
hate criminal, and we'll use the justice system to destroy you_.

And in fact, that's what's happening. The court system in America has
become so corrupt that it is being used by the enemies of our people to
take away our most fundamental rights. And those who have corrupted the
system are working day and night to institutionalize the corruption.
They are working with the politicians to ensure that the shocking
miscarriages of justice they obtained in the Loeb trial in Florida and
the Goetz trial in New York become the rule everywhere. And the White
lawyers and judges are putting up very little resistance. They don't
want to rock the boat. They don't want to endanger their own positions
in the system. They know that anything they say against what is
happening will be condemned by the controlled media and by many of their
own colleagues as "hate speech." So they're permitting the Jews to
corrupt the system and in many cases are even helping them.

What can we do about this frightening and depressing situation, besides
trying our best to avoid any encounter with courts or lawyers? Shall we
promise ourselves that if we ever have to shoot a burglar we'll just get
rid of the body and not call the police? Shall we promise ourselves that
if we ever have to defend ourselves against a non-White mugger we'll
leave no witnesses alive to testify against us?

No, that's really not practical.

The first thing that we can do is stop being frightened and depressed
and instead become _angry._ Our enemies want us to be frightened and
depressed. That's what they intend when they gloat and announce that
they're sending a message to all "racists with guns." So instead of
being intimidated by this Jewish arrogance, we must become _enraged_.

We must become _boiling mad._ We must let our anger reinforce our
determination to put a final and total end to their corrupt system, no
matter what it takes.

And the second thing that we must do is speak up.

Don't remain silent in the face of this Jewish assault on our freedom
and on our civilization. When a mostly Black jury frees a Black
murderer, as in the OJ Simpson trial, express your outrage! Don't be
afraid of being called a "racist." When a White man is punished for
defending himself against Black criminals, speak up! Tell people what
you think.

That's what we're doing with this program. We're speaking up. We're
telling people what we think about the destruction of our justice
system. And we're finding that more and more people agree with us.

You speak up too. Don't be afraid!
-- 

this program written by William Pierce

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From ka_strom@ix.netcom.com Wed Aug  7 14:01:11 PDT 1996
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Len wrote:
> Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:
> > Since their has never been a multiracial society where the races lived in

Sorry for the misspelling...


> > harmony, equality, and brotherhood, it seems quite unlikely that the
> > current overseers of the United States will succeed in the latest
> > attempt.
> 
> Fact is there has never been a non-multiracial society where folks have
> lived in harmony, equality, and brotherhood. We, the human species, will
> find ANY reaon to hate, kill, and estrange ourselves. Be it race, religion,
> shoe size, etc. It comes with the machinery.


You certainly do have a point.

However, I think that the sense of community that comes with being of 
common blood, language, culture and history does a lot to heal wounds and 
ameliorate many of our worst instincts.

So harmony is possible to some extent -- an extent that permits greatness 
and beauty to appear from time to time.

But equality is impossible, I agree. So let's stop killing each other in 
the attempt to achieve it.

A wise man once told me that "The _kind_ of government you have is not as 
important as _whose_ government it is."

I would add to that that different governmental structures seem to be the 
most congenial for different peoples. For example, a "tough" judiciary 
seems to be necessary to impose order on Africans -- Black judges are 
often the toughest on Black offenders, and for good reason; whereas a 
constitutional system, developed by human beings very different 
temperamentally from Africans, and more concerned with the rights of the 
accused, does not work well for them.

The worst characteristics of capitalism are accentuated when the owners 
feel no kinship with the workers, whether that is due to a lack of a 
feeling of racial kinship when there should be one, or when such a 
feeling is impossible due to multiracialism. The governmental powers that 
socialism entails are most apt to be abused when there is no real feeling 
of national community. (This is a fundamental difference between 
international socialism -- Marxism -- and what might be called 
"social-ism" -- the naturally cooperative efforts of a united people. The 
Marxists have signally failed to generate their much-vaunted 
"international community of workers." So, too, have the capitalists, 
gleefully slitting each other's throats in the marketplace, failed to 
produce anything resembling a community.)


> What is sad is that you try to make socialists and collectivists out of
> a gifted bunch of people. If they followed your way, they would become
> dead, mentally and spiritually. It is their nature to be free of your
> type that makes them great. You will learn that, hopefully, before you
> die in your misery.


I am not sure what you mean by my making socialists out of anyone. I have 
no use for Marxian claptrap. The sense of community I would like to 
foster in my people is natural in its origin, and needs only the removal 
of artificial obstacles for it to flower.



> Matter of fact, your people are winning by legalizing the Balkanization
> of America. You will get the seperation as this stupidity continues.
> Funny thing, I ain't white, and I agree with to much of what many of
> you guys say. Just keep the hatred to yourselves.


As I have said repeatedly, separatism need not involve hatred or the wish 
to harm. Of course, what other races feel about Europeans may be far from 
complimentary, which does not bother me at all; and in any case I prefer 
honesty to the sanctimonious hypocrisy practiced by the current 
establishment and its shills and sycophants. Separatism would allow each 
race to have its own society, with its own standards, values, etc.

I may disapprove of my neighbor in many ways, and find his habits and 
morals and opinions offensive, but so long as we live in separate houses 
there is peace. Force me to share my house with him and I guarantee you 
both of our lives will become a living Hell.

I am glad to see that there are some areas of agreement.

With good wishes,

-- 


Kevin Alfred Strom

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Robert Alpert wrote:
> 
> Kevin Alfred Strom (ka_strom@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
> > corrected in a future print edition), I highly recommend that every
> > patriot read this series (j*ws parts 1-x as posted on
> 
> Yes, highly recommended, it is good for a laugh.  Got some great
> chuckles out of it myself.  Of course that's about all that the
> cowardly white trash who post this kind of garbage are good for.
> 
> --
>      Bob Alpert
>      alpert@netaxs.com


Laugh if you like, but Benjamin Freedman was not an object of amusement 
during his lifetime, even to his political opponents. See _Commentary_ (a 
publication of the American Jewish Committee) for February, 1955.

Freedman was a wealthy Jewish businessman of New York City (he was the 
principal owner of the Woodbury Soap Company), who spent the greater part 
of his fortune -- about 2.5 million dollars --  and about 30 years of his 
life in an effort to awaken Americans to the dangers posed by the Jewish 
power structure which he defected from after the War to Save the Soviet 
in 1945.

Freedman had been an insider at the highest levels of American politics 
and business for decades and was personally acquainted with Woodrow 
Wilson, Bernard Baruch, Joseph Kennedy, and many other movers and shakers 
of our century.

He was also a gentleman, which cannot be said for some on this 
newsgroup.

His words deserve to be heard.

With good wishes,

-- 


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Lawyers: Proving White is Black


by Dr. William L. Pierce



I've spoken with you before about the breakdown of the judicial system
in this country. Right after the OJ Simpson trial last year I pointed
out that the courts in America have become terminally corrupt. I gave
you an example of this corruption: the 1992 trial of a young White man
named George Loeb in a Florida court. That was a case in which Mr Loeb
and his wife had gone to a supermarket to shop and in the parking lot
nearly had their car struck by a car driven by a young Black male. Angry
words were exchanged. Then the Black male drove away, and the Loebs did
their shopping.

When the Loebs returned to their car, the Black male drove back into the
parking lot, this time with a Black friend. He got out of his car and
approached the Loebs' car on foot. He had a brick in his hand and was
screaming that he intended to smash Mr. Loeb's head in with the brick.
Mr. Loeb snatched a pistol from the glove compartment of his car and
shot the Black dead. It was a clear case of self-defense.

A Jewish prosecutor, however, charged Mr. Loeb with murder, and he was
put on trial. With the permission of a cooperative judge, the prosecutor
read to the jury personal correspondence which had been illegally seized
>from  Mr. Loeb's home. The correspondence revealed that Mr. Loeb had a
strong dislike for Blacks. It revealed that he was a "White racist."

The jury did the Politically Correct thing and found Mr. Loeb guilty of
murder. Then the judge did the Politically Correct thing and sentenced
him to life in prison.

At the time I told you about the Loeb trial I pointed out that similarly
horrifying things happen in our court system all the time, and that the
average person never hears about them. I pointed out that the OJ Simpson
trial was unusual only in the amount of publicity it received, but
_not_ in its failure to yield a just verdict.

Now let's talk about another recent trial which illustrates my point.

That's the New York trial of Bernhard Goetz. Perhaps you remember when
this case first came to public attention, 12 years ago. Goetz, a
36-year-old electronics engineer, was riding the New York subway when
four Black thugs approached him and demanded that he give them money.
Goetz responded in a perfectly reasonable way: he pulled out his
revolver and shot all four of them. Unfortunately, he didn't kill them,
although he did cripple one of them. The three Blacks who weren't
crippled recovered and continued their lives of crime. And New York
being what it is, Goetz was arrested and charged with attempted murder
for protecting himself. He was also charged with having a weapon to
defend himself. He ended up going to prison for the better part of a
year. _For having a gun to defend himself._

And then a couple of Jewish lawyers from the Communist-front National
Lawyers Guild, William Kunstler and Ronald Kuby, sued Mr. Goetz on
behalf of one of the Blacks who had tried to rob him. The case dragged
through the courts, using up all of Mr. Goetz' savings. Kunstler died
during the process, but Kuby persevered. The case finally went to the
jury last month: a Bronx, New York, jury of four Blacks and two Puerto
Ricans. The jury decided that Mr Goetz should pay $43 million to the
Black who had tried to rob him. _Forty-three million dollars_.

The Jewish lawyer gloated over the verdict and crowed that it
"sends a message to all racists with guns who think young Black
lives are worth nothing. They're worth a lot."

Score another loss for decent folks. Score another win for the
Clintonistas. Score another win for the forces of corruption and
destruction. Score another win for the Jews.

You know, I don't want to create the impression that I believe that the
destruction of America's system of justice is entirely the Jews' doing.
They certainly are heavily involved in it. They were heavily involved,
decisively involved in all three cases I've cited as examples of what's
happened to our judicial system: the OJ Simpson trial, the George Loeb
trial, and the Bernhard Goetz trial. Jews are heavily involved in the
corruption and destruction of _every aspect_ of our civilization. It's
in their nature. But to be frank, our legal system was in serious
trouble even _before_ the Jews became involved in it.

Nearly three centuries ago, 270 years ago to be exact, the English
writer Jonathan Swift wrote of the lawyers of his day that they are,
"men . . . bred up from their youth in the art of proving by words
multiplied for the purpose that white is black, and black is white,
according as they are paid." Swift went on to give a satirical
illustration of the way the court system worked in the England of his
day. I'll quote just a few words of what he wrote. It's from his
best-known book, _Gulliver's Travels_, and I'm paraphrasing
it a bit. Swift explained:

"My neighbor . . . I will suppose, has a mind to my cow; he hires...
[a lawyer] to prove that he ought to have my cow from me. I must then
hire another of them to defend my right, it being against all rules of
law that any man should be allowed to speak for himself. Now in this
case, I who am the right owner lie under two great disadvantages. First,
my advocate, being as I said before practiced almost from his cradle in
defending falsehood, is quite out of his element when he would argue for
right, which as an office unnatural he attempts with great awkwardness,
if not with an ill will. The second disadvantage is that my advocate
must proceed with great caution, for since the maintenance of so many
depends on the keeping up of business, should he proceed too summarily,
if he does not incur the displeasure of his superiors, he is sure to
gain the ill will and hatred of his brethren as being by them esteemed
one that would lessen the practice of the law.

"This being the case, I have but two methods to preserve my cow. The
first is to gain over my adversary's advocate with a double fee....
The second way is for my advocate not to insist on the justice of my
cause, by allowing the cow to belong to my adversary; and this if it be
dexterously and skillfully done will go a great way toward obtaining a
favorable verdict, it having been found from a careful observation of
issues and events that the wrong side, under the management of such
practitioners, has the fairer chance for success....

"It is a maxim among these lawyers that whatever hath been done before
may legally be done again, and therefore they take special care to
record all the decisions formerly made against common justice and the
general reason of mankind. These, under the name of precedents, they
produce as authorities to justify the most iniquitous opinions....

"In pleading they studiously avoid entering into the merits of the
cause, but are loud, violent, and tedious in dwelling on all
circumstances which are not to the purpose. For instance, in the case
already mentioned they never desire to know what claim my adversary hath
to my cow, but whether the said cow were red or black, her horns long or
short, whether the field I graze her in be round or square, whether she
were milked at home or abroad, what diseases she is subject to, and the
like. After which, they consult precedents, adjourn the cause from time
to time, and in ten, twenty, or thirty years come to an issue."

Now Swift, as I mentioned, was a satirist, but there was much truth in
what he wrote about the lawyers and the judicial system of three hundred
years ago. It is striking how little that system has changed between
Swift's day and ours.

Four hundred years ago, at a time when there were no Jews at all in
England, Shakespeare had one of the characters in his play _King
Henry VI_ say, "The first thing we do, let's kill all the
lawyers." And that expression of popular sentiment was already
widespread in Shakespeare's day -- and not without reason.

The basic problem is that our legal profession never has been a
profession devoted to justice, but rather to arguing, as Swift noted,
that white is black or black is white, according as its practitioners
are paid. The principal aim of the profession is the enrichment of
lawyers, and the court system functions accordingly. And the lawyers who
become judges and rule over this system tend not to be the most just,
but rather the slickest, slyest, and most ambitious men of their
profession.

It was a bad system to start with, and that's our fault. It's something
we really must straighten out one of these days. But it has been made
much, much worse by the Jewish influx into the system during this
century. It has gotten to the point now where Blacks can literally get
away with murder, if they have the money to hire a clever lawyer and if
they can get a preponderance of Blacks on the jury. And Whites can
expect to be crucified by the system, in any case where race is an
issue, if they either cannot afford to pay a sufficiently clever and
aggressive lawyer, or if they are unfortunate enough to have a
preponderance of non-Whites on their jury. Poor Bernhard Goetz suffered
both from an incompetent lawyer, a Jewish lawyer, incidentally, just
like his adversary's lawyer, and from a non-White jury. The fellow's
life has been ruined, because he dared to resist a gang of Black
muggers.

Now, all of this does not mean that it is impossible
for a White person to get justice in our courts. If one is lucky, one
will not have the unfortunate circumstances that George Loeb and
Bernhard Goetz had. And of course, it helps a great deal to be
rich. Those who are very wealthy can still hope to buy justice
in the courts -- if they don't live in a place like New York or Los
Angeles. And there are still a few honorable and competent lawyers in
the profession. I know some of them personally. There may even be an
honest judge or two left in the system, who still put the law above
Political Correctness.

Nevertheless, those of us who have only modest means must look at an
encounter with the legal justice system in America almost like a game of
Russian roulette, especially where there is any racial issue. We've seen
over and over again, and not just in the OJ Simpson trial, the
reluctance of Black juries to convict Black criminals for offenses
against Whites. And we've seen the same sort of racially motivated
verdicts when Whites are tried by non-White juries. The fact is that
non-White jurors usually have a strong sense of racial consciousness.
They vote in accordance with their racial feelings instead of in
accordance with the law and the evidence.

And White jurors, unfortunately, lack this sense of racial
consciousness. They are far more likely to vote in a Politically Correct
manner, as they did in the George Loeb case, or to let themselves be
intimidated into going along with the Blacks, as was the case with the
two White women on the OJ Simpson jury. White Americans have been so
brainwashed and browbeaten by the controlled media that they are afraid
to express even the tiniest bit of racial feeling. There is nothing they
fear more than being thought to be racist. Some of them have even let
their natural racial feelings become inverted: their racial
consciousness has become racial self-hatred. They automatically
favor the non-White side in any racial issue.

So a judicial system which was bad enough back in the days when America
was still a White country has become much, much worse in the racially
polarized country we have today. Can you imagine what it will be like in
another 50 years, when Whites will be a minority in America? Imagine
that you've been obliged to shoot a Black or Mexican burglar in your
home or to defend your wife against a gang of non-White attackers.
Imagine a Jewish prosecutor then forcing you to stand trial before a
jury which has a non-White majority. A frightening prospect, isn't it,
regardless of whether or not the prosecutor will introduce any evidence
that your opinions on racial matters are not Politically Correct?

One would think that the legal profession itself would have tried to
keep matters from becoming as bad as they have, if only from
self-interest. They understand as well as anyone that when the public
loses its last traces of confidence in the system of justice, the
lawyers will be in trouble. But instead of trying to keep the system
working, they have let it be corrupted even further by Jewish pressure
groups pushing for what they call "hate crime" legislation. We've all
heard this yammering in the media about the need for new laws to stop
"hate crimes." The Jewish groups doing the pushing -- groups such as the
Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith, the Simon Wiesenthal Center, and
the so-called Southern Poverty Law Center are referred to respectfully
by the media as "human rights organizations," but that's a terrible 
misnomer. These organizations are working to take away our rights. They 
want to make it _illegal_ to say anything they don't like. Anything they 
don't like they call "hate speech." In the past they used to apply 
behind-the-scenes pressure in order to stifle the views they didn't like. 
They would approach publishers and demand that any book they deemed 
hostile to their own interests be withdrawn from publication. They wrote 
to librarians and demanded that books they didn't like be taken off the 
shelves. They contacted the owners of bookstores with the same demand.

In fact, they're still engaged in this sort of secret censorship. The
Southern Poverty Law Center and other Jewish organizations right now are
putting pressure on bookstore chains in an effort to keep one of my
books, _The Turner Diaries_, out of circulation. They like to wave it
around on television and quote from it and tell everyone what a
_dangerous_ book it is, what a _racist_ book it is, but they don't want
you to be able to read it for yourself.

Fortunately, most bookstore owners are becoming resistant to this sort
of un-American censorship effort. So these Jewish groups are lobbying
the lawyers and the politicians. They want the legislators in Congress
to help them abolish the First Amendment.

And they've also been lobbying for more laws against what they call
"hate crime". To them George Loeb was a "hate criminal" because he
defended himself and his wife against a Black attacker threatening them
with a brick. And Bernhard Goetz is a "hate criminal" because he
defended himself against four Black muggers on the subway. White people
who defend themselves against Blacks are "hate criminals."

Now, they won't come right out and state it that plainly, of course. But
that's what they _mean_ when they talk about "hate crime".
They want Whites to be afraid to defend themselves. They want White
people to be demoralized and intimidated. They want every White person
to feel guilty for even _thinking_ about defending himself
or his family or his property from the growing flood of non-Whites all
around him. That's what the Jewish lawyer who first bankrupted Bernhard
Goetz with litigation and then got a $43 million judgment against him
meant when he gloatingly announced that the verdict of the non-White
jury, "sends a message to all racists with guns."

You can't defend yourselves from us, Kuby was smirking. In effect, he
was saying, _If you don't let us do whatever we want, you're a
hate criminal, and we'll use the justice system to destroy you_.

And in fact, that's what's happening. The court system in America has
become so corrupt that it is being used by the enemies of our people to
take away our most fundamental rights. And those who have corrupted the
system are working day and night to institutionalize the corruption.
They are working with the politicians to ensure that the shocking
miscarriages of justice they obtained in the Loeb trial in Florida and
the Goetz trial in New York become the rule everywhere. And the White
lawyers and judges are putting up very little resistance. They don't
want to rock the boat. They don't want to endanger their own positions
in the system. They know that anything they say against what is
happening will be condemned by the controlled media and by many of their
own colleagues as "hate speech." So they're permitting the Jews to
corrupt the system and in many cases are even helping them.

What can we do about this frightening and depressing situation, besides
trying our best to avoid any encounter with courts or lawyers? Shall we
promise ourselves that if we ever have to shoot a burglar we'll just get
rid of the body and not call the police? Shall we promise ourselves that
if we ever have to defend ourselves against a non-White mugger we'll
leave no witnesses alive to testify against us?

No, that's really not practical.

The first thing that we can do is stop being frightened and depressed
and instead become _angry._ Our enemies want us to be frightened and
depressed. That's what they intend when they gloat and announce that
they're sending a message to all "racists with guns." So instead of
being intimidated by this Jewish arrogance, we must become _enraged_.

We must become _boiling mad._ We must let our anger reinforce our
determination to put a final and total end to their corrupt system, no
matter what it takes.

And the second thing that we must do is speak up.

Don't remain silent in the face of this Jewish assault on our freedom
and on our civilization. When a mostly Black jury frees a Black
murderer, as in the OJ Simpson trial, express your outrage! Don't be
afraid of being called a "racist." When a White man is punished for
defending himself against Black criminals, speak up! Tell people what
you think.

That's what we're doing with this program. We're speaking up. We're
telling people what we think about the destruction of our justice
system. And we're finding that more and more people agree with us.

You speak up too. Don't be afraid!
-- 

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Lawyers: Proving White is Black


by Dr. William L. Pierce



I've spoken with you before about the breakdown of the judicial system
in this country. Right after the OJ Simpson trial last year I pointed
out that the courts in America have become terminally corrupt. I gave
you an example of this corruption: the 1992 trial of a young White man
named George Loeb in a Florida court. That was a case in which Mr Loeb
and his wife had gone to a supermarket to shop and in the parking lot
nearly had their car struck by a car driven by a young Black male. Angry
words were exchanged. Then the Black male drove away, and the Loebs did
their shopping.

When the Loebs returned to their car, the Black male drove back into the
parking lot, this time with a Black friend. He got out of his car and
approached the Loebs' car on foot. He had a brick in his hand and was
screaming that he intended to smash Mr. Loeb's head in with the brick.
Mr. Loeb snatched a pistol from the glove compartment of his car and
shot the Black dead. It was a clear case of self-defense.

A Jewish prosecutor, however, charged Mr. Loeb with murder, and he was
put on trial. With the permission of a cooperative judge, the prosecutor
read to the jury personal correspondence which had been illegally seized
>from  Mr. Loeb's home. The correspondence revealed that Mr. Loeb had a
strong dislike for Blacks. It revealed that he was a "White racist."

The jury did the Politically Correct thing and found Mr. Loeb guilty of
murder. Then the judge did the Politically Correct thing and sentenced
him to life in prison.

At the time I told you about the Loeb trial I pointed out that similarly
horrifying things happen in our court system all the time, and that the
average person never hears about them. I pointed out that the OJ Simpson
trial was unusual only in the amount of publicity it received, but
_not_ in its failure to yield a just verdict.

Now let's talk about another recent trial which illustrates my point.

That's the New York trial of Bernhard Goetz. Perhaps you remember when
this case first came to public attention, 12 years ago. Goetz, a
36-year-old electronics engineer, was riding the New York subway when
four Black thugs approached him and demanded that he give them money.
Goetz responded in a perfectly reasonable way: he pulled out his
revolver and shot all four of them. Unfortunately, he didn't kill them,
although he did cripple one of them. The three Blacks who weren't
crippled recovered and continued their lives of crime. And New York
being what it is, Goetz was arrested and charged with attempted murder
for protecting himself. He was also charged with having a weapon to
defend himself. He ended up going to prison for the better part of a
year. _For having a gun to defend himself._

And then a couple of Jewish lawyers from the Communist-front National
Lawyers Guild, William Kunstler and Ronald Kuby, sued Mr. Goetz on
behalf of one of the Blacks who had tried to rob him. The case dragged
through the courts, using up all of Mr. Goetz' savings. Kunstler died
during the process, but Kuby persevered. The case finally went to the
jury last month: a Bronx, New York, jury of four Blacks and two Puerto
Ricans. The jury decided that Mr Goetz should pay $43 million to the
Black who had tried to rob him. _Forty-three million dollars_.

The Jewish lawyer gloated over the verdict and crowed that it
"sends a message to all racists with guns who think young Black
lives are worth nothing. They're worth a lot."

Score another loss for decent folks. Score another win for the
Clintonistas. Score another win for the forces of corruption and
destruction. Score another win for the Jews.

You know, I don't want to create the impression that I believe that the
destruction of America's system of justice is entirely the Jews' doing.
They certainly are heavily involved in it. They were heavily involved,
decisively involved in all three cases I've cited as examples of what's
happened to our judicial system: the OJ Simpson trial, the George Loeb
trial, and the Bernhard Goetz trial. Jews are heavily involved in the
corruption and destruction of _every aspect_ of our civilization. It's
in their nature. But to be frank, our legal system was in serious
trouble even _before_ the Jews became involved in it.

Nearly three centuries ago, 270 years ago to be exact, the English
writer Jonathan Swift wrote of the lawyers of his day that they are,
"men . . . bred up from their youth in the art of proving by words
multiplied for the purpose that white is black, and black is white,
according as they are paid." Swift went on to give a satirical
illustration of the way the court system worked in the England of his
day. I'll quote just a few words of what he wrote. It's from his
best-known book, _Gulliver's Travels_, and I'm paraphrasing
it a bit. Swift explained:

"My neighbor . . . I will suppose, has a mind to my cow; he hires...
[a lawyer] to prove that he ought to have my cow from me. I must then
hire another of them to defend my right, it being against all rules of
law that any man should be allowed to speak for himself. Now in this
case, I who am the right owner lie under two great disadvantages. First,
my advocate, being as I said before practiced almost from his cradle in
defending falsehood, is quite out of his element when he would argue for
right, which as an office unnatural he attempts with great awkwardness,
if not with an ill will. The second disadvantage is that my advocate
must proceed with great caution, for since the maintenance of so many
depends on the keeping up of business, should he proceed too summarily,
if he does not incur the displeasure of his superiors, he is sure to
gain the ill will and hatred of his brethren as being by them esteemed
one that would lessen the practice of the law.

"This being the case, I have but two methods to preserve my cow. The
first is to gain over my adversary's advocate with a double fee....
The second way is for my advocate not to insist on the justice of my
cause, by allowing the cow to belong to my adversary; and this if it be
dexterously and skillfully done will go a great way toward obtaining a
favorable verdict, it having been found from a careful observation of
issues and events that the wrong side, under the management of such
practitioners, has the fairer chance for success....

"It is a maxim among these lawyers that whatever hath been done before
may legally be done again, and therefore they take special care to
record all the decisions formerly made against common justice and the
general reason of mankind. These, under the name of precedents, they
produce as authorities to justify the most iniquitous opinions....

"In pleading they studiously avoid entering into the merits of the
cause, but are loud, violent, and tedious in dwelling on all
circumstances which are not to the purpose. For instance, in the case
already mentioned they never desire to know what claim my adversary hath
to my cow, but whether the said cow were red or black, her horns long or
short, whether the field I graze her in be round or square, whether she
were milked at home or abroad, what diseases she is subject to, and the
like. After which, they consult precedents, adjourn the cause from time
to time, and in ten, twenty, or thirty years come to an issue."

Now Swift, as I mentioned, was a satirist, but there was much truth in
what he wrote about the lawyers and the judicial system of three hundred
years ago. It is striking how little that system has changed between
Swift's day and ours.

Four hundred years ago, at a time when there were no Jews at all in
England, Shakespeare had one of the characters in his play _King
Henry VI_ say, "The first thing we do, let's kill all the
lawyers." And that expression of popular sentiment was already
widespread in Shakespeare's day -- and not without reason.

The basic problem is that our legal profession never has been a
profession devoted to justice, but rather to arguing, as Swift noted,
that white is black or black is white, according as its practitioners
are paid. The principal aim of the profession is the enrichment of
lawyers, and the court system functions accordingly. And the lawyers who
become judges and rule over this system tend not to be the most just,
but rather the slickest, slyest, and most ambitious men of their
profession.

It was a bad system to start with, and that's our fault. It's something
we really must straighten out one of these days. But it has been made
much, much worse by the Jewish influx into the system during this
century. It has gotten to the point now where Blacks can literally get
away with murder, if they have the money to hire a clever lawyer and if
they can get a preponderance of Blacks on the jury. And Whites can
expect to be crucified by the system, in any case where race is an
issue, if they either cannot afford to pay a sufficiently clever and
aggressive lawyer, or if they are unfortunate enough to have a
preponderance of non-Whites on their jury. Poor Bernhard Goetz suffered
both from an incompetent lawyer, a Jewish lawyer, incidentally, just
like his adversary's lawyer, and from a non-White jury. The fellow's
life has been ruined, because he dared to resist a gang of Black
muggers.

Now, all of this does not mean that it is impossible
for a White person to get justice in our courts. If one is lucky, one
will not have the unfortunate circumstances that George Loeb and
Bernhard Goetz had. And of course, it helps a great deal to be
rich. Those who are very wealthy can still hope to buy justice
in the courts -- if they don't live in a place like New York or Los
Angeles. And there are still a few honorable and competent lawyers in
the profession. I know some of them personally. There may even be an
honest judge or two left in the system, who still put the law above
Political Correctness.

Nevertheless, those of us who have only modest means must look at an
encounter with the legal justice system in America almost like a game of
Russian roulette, especially where there is any racial issue. We've seen
over and over again, and not just in the OJ Simpson trial, the
reluctance of Black juries to convict Black criminals for offenses
against Whites. And we've seen the same sort of racially motivated
verdicts when Whites are tried by non-White juries. The fact is that
non-White jurors usually have a strong sense of racial consciousness.
They vote in accordance with their racial feelings instead of in
accordance with the law and the evidence.

And White jurors, unfortunately, lack this sense of racial
consciousness. They are far more likely to vote in a Politically Correct
manner, as they did in the George Loeb case, or to let themselves be
intimidated into going along with the Blacks, as was the case with the
two White women on the OJ Simpson jury. White Americans have been so
brainwashed and browbeaten by the controlled media that they are afraid
to express even the tiniest bit of racial feeling. There is nothing they
fear more than being thought to be racist. Some of them have even let
their natural racial feelings become inverted: their racial
consciousness has become racial self-hatred. They automatically
favor the non-White side in any racial issue.

So a judicial system which was bad enough back in the days when America
was still a White country has become much, much worse in the racially
polarized country we have today. Can you imagine what it will be like in
another 50 years, when Whites will be a minority in America? Imagine
that you've been obliged to shoot a Black or Mexican burglar in your
home or to defend your wife against a gang of non-White attackers.
Imagine a Jewish prosecutor then forcing you to stand trial before a
jury which has a non-White majority. A frightening prospect, isn't it,
regardless of whether or not the prosecutor will introduce any evidence
that your opinions on racial matters are not Politically Correct?

One would think that the legal profession itself would have tried to
keep matters from becoming as bad as they have, if only from
self-interest. They understand as well as anyone that when the public
loses its last traces of confidence in the system of justice, the
lawyers will be in trouble. But instead of trying to keep the system
working, they have let it be corrupted even further by Jewish pressure
groups pushing for what they call "hate crime" legislation. We've all
heard this yammering in the media about the need for new laws to stop
"hate crimes." The Jewish groups doing the pushing -- groups such as the
Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith, the Simon Wiesenthal Center, and
the so-called Southern Poverty Law Center are referred to respectfully
by the media as "human rights organizations," but that's a terrible 
misnomer. These organizations are working to take away our rights. They 
want to make it _illegal_ to say anything they don't like. Anything they 
don't like they call "hate speech." In the past they used to apply 
behind-the-scenes pressure in order to stifle the views they didn't like. 
They would approach publishers and demand that any book they deemed 
hostile to their own interests be withdrawn from publication. They wrote 
to librarians and demanded that books they didn't like be taken off the 
shelves. They contacted the owners of bookstores with the same demand.

In fact, they're still engaged in this sort of secret censorship. The
Southern Poverty Law Center and other Jewish organizations right now are
putting pressure on bookstore chains in an effort to keep one of my
books, _The Turner Diaries_, out of circulation. They like to wave it
around on television and quote from it and tell everyone what a
_dangerous_ book it is, what a _racist_ book it is, but they don't want
you to be able to read it for yourself.

Fortunately, most bookstore owners are becoming resistant to this sort
of un-American censorship effort. So these Jewish groups are lobbying
the lawyers and the politicians. They want the legislators in Congress
to help them abolish the First Amendment.

And they've also been lobbying for more laws against what they call
"hate crime". To them George Loeb was a "hate criminal" because he
defended himself and his wife against a Black attacker threatening them
with a brick. And Bernhard Goetz is a "hate criminal" because he
defended himself against four Black muggers on the subway. White people
who defend themselves against Blacks are "hate criminals."

Now, they won't come right out and state it that plainly, of course. But
that's what they _mean_ when they talk about "hate crime".
They want Whites to be afraid to defend themselves. They want White
people to be demoralized and intimidated. They want every White person
to feel guilty for even _thinking_ about defending himself
or his family or his property from the growing flood of non-Whites all
around him. That's what the Jewish lawyer who first bankrupted Bernhard
Goetz with litigation and then got a $43 million judgment against him
meant when he gloatingly announced that the verdict of the non-White
jury, "sends a message to all racists with guns."

You can't defend yourselves from us, Kuby was smirking. In effect, he
was saying, _If you don't let us do whatever we want, you're a
hate criminal, and we'll use the justice system to destroy you_.

And in fact, that's what's happening. The court system in America has
become so corrupt that it is being used by the enemies of our people to
take away our most fundamental rights. And those who have corrupted the
system are working day and night to institutionalize the corruption.
They are working with the politicians to ensure that the shocking
miscarriages of justice they obtained in the Loeb trial in Florida and
the Goetz trial in New York become the rule everywhere. And the White
lawyers and judges are putting up very little resistance. They don't
want to rock the boat. They don't want to endanger their own positions
in the system. They know that anything they say against what is
happening will be condemned by the controlled media and by many of their
own colleagues as "hate speech." So they're permitting the Jews to
corrupt the system and in many cases are even helping them.

What can we do about this frightening and depressing situation, besides
trying our best to avoid any encounter with courts or lawyers? Shall we
promise ourselves that if we ever have to shoot a burglar we'll just get
rid of the body and not call the police? Shall we promise ourselves that
if we ever have to defend ourselves against a non-White mugger we'll
leave no witnesses alive to testify against us?

No, that's really not practical.

The first thing that we can do is stop being frightened and depressed
and instead become _angry._ Our enemies want us to be frightened and
depressed. That's what they intend when they gloat and announce that
they're sending a message to all "racists with guns." So instead of
being intimidated by this Jewish arrogance, we must become _enraged_.

We must become _boiling mad._ We must let our anger reinforce our
determination to put a final and total end to their corrupt system, no
matter what it takes.

And the second thing that we must do is speak up.

Don't remain silent in the face of this Jewish assault on our freedom
and on our civilization. When a mostly Black jury frees a Black
murderer, as in the OJ Simpson trial, express your outrage! Don't be
afraid of being called a "racist." When a White man is punished for
defending himself against Black criminals, speak up! Tell people what
you think.

That's what we're doing with this program. We're speaking up. We're
telling people what we think about the destruction of our justice
system. And we're finding that more and more people agree with us.

You speak up too. Don't be afraid!
-- 

this program written by William Pierce

posted by Kevin Alfred Strom
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From ka_strom@ix.netcom.com Thu Aug  8 08:26:12 PDT 1996
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To: our hero 

Thank you for the kind words.

Many of my writings can be found at the urls at the end of this message. 
A jewish-funded operation called Nizkor is archiving my posts for some 
reason or other, so there is no reason why you shouldn't take advantage 
of it:

http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/s/strom.kevin.alfred

It did have some forged posts listed under my name there a while back, 
and they were eventually removed, but I simply don't have the time to 
check on a regular enough basis to absolutely verify the archive's 
accuracy or completeness. Most of what I have seen there does appear to 
be my work.

Of course

http://altavista.digital.com/

and

http://www.dejanews.com/

also have searchable archives where you can find much (though for some 
odd reason not all) of my writings on the net. Just put in my name and 
address as search parameters.

You have my

Very best wishes,

-- 


Kevin Alfred Strom

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Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
> 
> In article <3207B2E5.1711@ix.netcom.com>, Kevin Alfred Strom
>  wrote:
> ...
> > Anyone reasonably conversant with world affairs, who reads a few
> > newspapers from around the country and occasionally overseas, and who has
> > access to the wire services and the BBC or the equivalent, is well aware
> > that the multiracial paradigm is accepted by all major Western
> > governments and media outlets today, though that acceptance may differ
> > in degree. He is also aware that no Western nation today, unless you
> > count Israel as a Western nation, has racial qualifications for
> > citizenship or residency. It is ridiculous to demand proof of this.
> 
> Ah, the "everybody knows..." fallacy, better known as "appeal to belief".
> It must be true, because everybody believes it to be true. Therefore, you
> need supply no evidence.
> 
> Neat, but totally invalid.
> 


Do I need to provide citations from the citizenship and immigration laws 
of every majority-White country in order to satisfy you? If I asserted 
that every European country had a capital city, would you require 
certified copies of the pertinent legislation? How ridiculous.

When all the evidence and all my sources of information agree on this 
point, from personal experience while living and travelling in a number 
of different places, from conversations with citizens of many different 
countries, to publications holding the most diverse and sometimes 
antithetical points of view, and when I have never seen the slightest 
shred of evidence or even opinion to the contrary (except from you), what 
other conclusion can I draw?

Really, Mr. Brown, I get the feeling you're trying to hold my feet to the 
fire just because it's in your programming. I can hardly believe that you 
are _seriously_ suggesting that there exists a majority-White country 
today that has racial qualifications for citizenship.

I am most interested in your sources which indicate that there _are_ 
majority-White countries that do not currently accept multiracialism. 
Please list these countries now, or admit that my statement is true.

Try not to weasel out of answering me this time. Allies and opponents 
alike will admire a direct, responsive answer.


> > > > A far better question, Mr. Brown: Since you deny that _anyone_ actually
> > > > believes that every majority-White country should become multiracial,...
> > >
> > > I did? Where? Quote me, please.
> >
> > Sure, in message  you
> > stated (and even quoted it yourself above):
> >
> > "Specify who it is, exactly, that says 'EVERY majority white country must
> > become "multiracial"'. Quote us some quotes. Cite us some proof. I smell
> > the distinct aroma of straw man."
> >
> > By using the phrase "straw man" to Mr. Whitaker, you implied that he was
> > setting up a fictitious liberal position, easy to shoot down but actually
> > held by no one. That is the common meaning of the phrase "straw man."
> >
> > You state that the position that 'EVERY majority white country must
> > become "multiracial"' is a straw man created by Whitaker. Therefore you
> > demanded proof that anyone has ever said such a thing. If you need proof
> > of that, then _obviously_ you must not hold such a position yourself.
> 
> Nope. It means I doubt "that anyone has ever said such a thing". No more,
> no less. Your 'implications' and your surmises of what must be going
> through my mind are your creations.
> 


Since you are now only claiming that no one has ever _said_ such a thing 
outright, then my observation that such a thing is in fact happening 
stands unchallenged. You don't deny that people _believe_ such things 
and act on those beliefs. And Mr. Whitaker was not erecting a straw man.

Just to clarify your views on this matter, do you believe it is wrong for 
White people to have monoracial societies?



> > It is quite reasonable, then, to ask you:
> >
> > 1) Do you hold the position that all majority-White countries must be
> > multiracial?
> 
> Nope. I hold the position that a sovereign country is should manage its
> own affairs.
> 


So a nation whose government declares that only White people can be 
citizens, or that only White people can immigrate there, would be "a 
sovereign country" managing its own affairs and would not arouse your ire 
or opposition? Wonderful!


> > 2) If you do not hold that position, then please list the majority-White
> > countries which, in your view, need not be multiracial?
> 
> Not my decision. The countries in question are competent to determine
> their own immigration policy. They do not need my help -- not do they need
> yours.
> 


Of course, I never said it was your decision. I merely asked for your 
view. Why are you so reluctant to give it?

How sweet it is. Brown declares that White countries, even all of them, 
can reject multiracialism, without his or anyone's help or interference.

It's a wonderful world.

With good wishes to all,

-- 


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Or is it just a "form" of cluelessness?

Actually, I am sure that we have all made similar mistakes.

With good wishes to all,

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Lawyers: Proving White is Black


by Dr. William L. Pierce



I've spoken with you before about the breakdown of the judicial system
in this country. Right after the OJ Simpson trial last year I pointed
out that the courts in America have become terminally corrupt. I gave
you an example of this corruption: the 1992 trial of a young White man
named George Loeb in a Florida court. That was a case in which Mr Loeb
and his wife had gone to a supermarket to shop and in the parking lot
nearly had their car struck by a car driven by a young Black male. Angry
words were exchanged. Then the Black male drove away, and the Loebs did
their shopping.

When the Loebs returned to their car, the Black male drove back into the
parking lot, this time with a Black friend. He got out of his car and
approached the Loebs' car on foot. He had a brick in his hand and was
screaming that he intended to smash Mr. Loeb's head in with the brick.
Mr. Loeb snatched a pistol from the glove compartment of his car and
shot the Black dead. It was a clear case of self-defense.

A Jewish prosecutor, however, charged Mr. Loeb with murder, and he was
put on trial. With the permission of a cooperative judge, the prosecutor
read to the jury personal correspondence which had been illegally seized
>from  Mr. Loeb's home. The correspondence revealed that Mr. Loeb had a
strong dislike for Blacks. It revealed that he was a "White racist."

The jury did the Politically Correct thing and found Mr. Loeb guilty of
murder. Then the judge did the Politically Correct thing and sentenced
him to life in prison.

At the time I told you about the Loeb trial I pointed out that similarly
horrifying things happen in our court system all the time, and that the
average person never hears about them. I pointed out that the OJ Simpson
trial was unusual only in the amount of publicity it received, but
_not_ in its failure to yield a just verdict.

Now let's talk about another recent trial which illustrates my point.

That's the New York trial of Bernhard Goetz. Perhaps you remember when
this case first came to public attention, 12 years ago. Goetz, a
36-year-old electronics engineer, was riding the New York subway when
four Black thugs approached him and demanded that he give them money.
Goetz responded in a perfectly reasonable way: he pulled out his
revolver and shot all four of them. Unfortunately, he didn't kill them,
although he did cripple one of them. The three Blacks who weren't
crippled recovered and continued their lives of crime. And New York
being what it is, Goetz was arrested and charged with attempted murder
for protecting himself. He was also charged with having a weapon to
defend himself. He ended up going to prison for the better part of a
year. _For having a gun to defend himself._

And then a couple of Jewish lawyers from the Communist-front National
Lawyers Guild, William Kunstler and Ronald Kuby, sued Mr. Goetz on
behalf of one of the Blacks who had tried to rob him. The case dragged
through the courts, using up all of Mr. Goetz' savings. Kunstler died
during the process, but Kuby persevered. The case finally went to the
jury last month: a Bronx, New York, jury of four Blacks and two Puerto
Ricans. The jury decided that Mr Goetz should pay $43 million to the
Black who had tried to rob him. _Forty-three million dollars_.

The Jewish lawyer gloated over the verdict and crowed that it
"sends a message to all racists with guns who think young Black
lives are worth nothing. They're worth a lot."

Score another loss for decent folks. Score another win for the
Clintonistas. Score another win for the forces of corruption and
destruction. Score another win for the Jews.

You know, I don't want to create the impression that I believe that the
destruction of America's system of justice is entirely the Jews' doing.
They certainly are heavily involved in it. They were heavily involved,
decisively involved in all three cases I've cited as examples of what's
happened to our judicial system: the OJ Simpson trial, the George Loeb
trial, and the Bernhard Goetz trial. Jews are heavily involved in the
corruption and destruction of _every aspect_ of our civilization. It's
in their nature. But to be frank, our legal system was in serious
trouble even _before_ the Jews became involved in it.

Nearly three centuries ago, 270 years ago to be exact, the English
writer Jonathan Swift wrote of the lawyers of his day that they are,
"men . . . bred up from their youth in the art of proving by words
multiplied for the purpose that white is black, and black is white,
according as they are paid." Swift went on to give a satirical
illustration of the way the court system worked in the England of his
day. I'll quote just a few words of what he wrote. It's from his
best-known book, _Gulliver's Travels_, and I'm paraphrasing
it a bit. Swift explained:

"My neighbor . . . I will suppose, has a mind to my cow; he hires...
[a lawyer] to prove that he ought to have my cow from me. I must then
hire another of them to defend my right, it being against all rules of
law that any man should be allowed to speak for himself. Now in this
case, I who am the right owner lie under two great disadvantages. First,
my advocate, being as I said before practiced almost from his cradle in
defending falsehood, is quite out of his element when he would argue for
right, which as an office unnatural he attempts with great awkwardness,
if not with an ill will. The second disadvantage is that my advocate
must proceed with great caution, for since the maintenance of so many
depends on the keeping up of business, should he proceed too summarily,
if he does not incur the displeasure of his superiors, he is sure to
gain the ill will and hatred of his brethren as being by them esteemed
one that would lessen the practice of the law.

"This being the case, I have but two methods to preserve my cow. The
first is to gain over my adversary's advocate with a double fee....
The second way is for my advocate not to insist on the justice of my
cause, by allowing the cow to belong to my adversary; and this if it be
dexterously and skillfully done will go a great way toward obtaining a
favorable verdict, it having been found from a careful observation of
issues and events that the wrong side, under the management of such
practitioners, has the fairer chance for success....

"It is a maxim among these lawyers that whatever hath been done before
may legally be done again, and therefore they take special care to
record all the decisions formerly made against common justice and the
general reason of mankind. These, under the name of precedents, they
produce as authorities to justify the most iniquitous opinions....

"In pleading they studiously avoid entering into the merits of the
cause, but are loud, violent, and tedious in dwelling on all
circumstances which are not to the purpose. For instance, in the case
already mentioned they never desire to know what claim my adversary hath
to my cow, but whether the said cow were red or black, her horns long or
short, whether the field I graze her in be round or square, whether she
were milked at home or abroad, what diseases she is subject to, and the
like. After which, they consult precedents, adjourn the cause from time
to time, and in ten, twenty, or thirty years come to an issue."

Now Swift, as I mentioned, was a satirist, but there was much truth in
what he wrote about the lawyers and the judicial system of three hundred
years ago. It is striking how little that system has changed between
Swift's day and ours.

Four hundred years ago, at a time when there were no Jews at all in
England, Shakespeare had one of the characters in his play _King
Henry VI_ say, "The first thing we do, let's kill all the
lawyers." And that expression of popular sentiment was already
widespread in Shakespeare's day -- and not without reason.

The basic problem is that our legal profession never has been a
profession devoted to justice, but rather to arguing, as Swift noted,
that white is black or black is white, according as its practitioners
are paid. The principal aim of the profession is the enrichment of
lawyers, and the court system functions accordingly. And the lawyers who
become judges and rule over this system tend not to be the most just,
but rather the slickest, slyest, and most ambitious men of their
profession.

It was a bad system to start with, and that's our fault. It's something
we really must straighten out one of these days. But it has been made
much, much worse by the Jewish influx into the system during this
century. It has gotten to the point now where Blacks can literally get
away with murder, if they have the money to hire a clever lawyer and if
they can get a preponderance of Blacks on the jury. And Whites can
expect to be crucified by the system, in any case where race is an
issue, if they either cannot afford to pay a sufficiently clever and
aggressive lawyer, or if they are unfortunate enough to have a
preponderance of non-Whites on their jury. Poor Bernhard Goetz suffered
both from an incompetent lawyer, a Jewish lawyer, incidentally, just
like his adversary's lawyer, and from a non-White jury. The fellow's
life has been ruined, because he dared to resist a gang of Black
muggers.

Now, all of this does not mean that it is impossible
for a White person to get justice in our courts. If one is lucky, one
will not have the unfortunate circumstances that George Loeb and
Bernhard Goetz had. And of course, it helps a great deal to be
rich. Those who are very wealthy can still hope to buy justice
in the courts -- if they don't live in a place like New York or Los
Angeles. And there are still a few honorable and competent lawyers in
the profession. I know some of them personally. There may even be an
honest judge or two left in the system, who still put the law above
Political Correctness.

Nevertheless, those of us who have only modest means must look at an
encounter with the legal justice system in America almost like a game of
Russian roulette, especially where there is any racial issue. We've seen
over and over again, and not just in the OJ Simpson trial, the
reluctance of Black juries to convict Black criminals for offenses
against Whites. And we've seen the same sort of racially motivated
verdicts when Whites are tried by non-White juries. The fact is that
non-White jurors usually have a strong sense of racial consciousness.
They vote in accordance with their racial feelings instead of in
accordance with the law and the evidence.

And White jurors, unfortunately, lack this sense of racial
consciousness. They are far more likely to vote in a Politically Correct
manner, as they did in the George Loeb case, or to let themselves be
intimidated into going along with the Blacks, as was the case with the
two White women on the OJ Simpson jury. White Americans have been so
brainwashed and browbeaten by the controlled media that they are afraid
to express even the tiniest bit of racial feeling. There is nothing they
fear more than being thought to be racist. Some of them have even let
their natural racial feelings become inverted: their racial
consciousness has become racial self-hatred. They automatically
favor the non-White side in any racial issue.

So a judicial system which was bad enough back in the days when America
was still a White country has become much, much worse in the racially
polarized country we have today. Can you imagine what it will be like in
another 50 years, when Whites will be a minority in America? Imagine
that you've been obliged to shoot a Black or Mexican burglar in your
home or to defend your wife against a gang of non-White attackers.
Imagine a Jewish prosecutor then forcing you to stand trial before a
jury which has a non-White majority. A frightening prospect, isn't it,
regardless of whether or not the prosecutor will introduce any evidence
that your opinions on racial matters are not Politically Correct?

One would think that the legal profession itself would have tried to
keep matters from becoming as bad as they have, if only from
self-interest. They understand as well as anyone that when the public
loses its last traces of confidence in the system of justice, the
lawyers will be in trouble. But instead of trying to keep the system
working, they have let it be corrupted even further by Jewish pressure
groups pushing for what they call "hate crime" legislation. We've all
heard this yammering in the media about the need for new laws to stop
"hate crimes." The Jewish groups doing the pushing -- groups such as the
Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith, the Simon Wiesenthal Center, and
the so-called Southern Poverty Law Center are referred to respectfully
by the media as "human rights organizations," but that's a terrible 
misnomer. These organizations are working to take away our rights. They 
want to make it _illegal_ to say anything they don't like. Anything they 
don't like they call "hate speech." In the past they used to apply 
behind-the-scenes pressure in order to stifle the views they didn't like. 
They would approach publishers and demand that any book they deemed 
hostile to their own interests be withdrawn from publication. They wrote 
to librarians and demanded that books they didn't like be taken off the 
shelves. They contacted the owners of bookstores with the same demand.

In fact, they're still engaged in this sort of secret censorship. The
Southern Poverty Law Center and other Jewish organizations right now are
putting pressure on bookstore chains in an effort to keep one of my
books, _The Turner Diaries_, out of circulation. They like to wave it
around on television and quote from it and tell everyone what a
_dangerous_ book it is, what a _racist_ book it is, but they don't want
you to be able to read it for yourself.

Fortunately, most bookstore owners are becoming resistant to this sort
of un-American censorship effort. So these Jewish groups are lobbying
the lawyers and the politicians. They want the legislators in Congress
to help them abolish the First Amendment.

And they've also been lobbying for more laws against what they call
"hate crime". To them George Loeb was a "hate criminal" because he
defended himself and his wife against a Black attacker threatening them
with a brick. And Bernhard Goetz is a "hate criminal" because he
defended himself against four Black muggers on the subway. White people
who defend themselves against Blacks are "hate criminals."

Now, they won't come right out and state it that plainly, of course. But
that's what they _mean_ when they talk about "hate crime".
They want Whites to be afraid to defend themselves. They want White
people to be demoralized and intimidated. They want every White person
to feel guilty for even _thinking_ about defending himself
or his family or his property from the growing flood of non-Whites all
around him. That's what the Jewish lawyer who first bankrupted Bernhard
Goetz with litigation and then got a $43 million judgment against him
meant when he gloatingly announced that the verdict of the non-White
jury, "sends a message to all racists with guns."

You can't defend yourselves from us, Kuby was smirking. In effect, he
was saying, _If you don't let us do whatever we want, you're a
hate criminal, and we'll use the justice system to destroy you_.

And in fact, that's what's happening. The court system in America has
become so corrupt that it is being used by the enemies of our people to
take away our most fundamental rights. And those who have corrupted the
system are working day and night to institutionalize the corruption.
They are working with the politicians to ensure that the shocking
miscarriages of justice they obtained in the Loeb trial in Florida and
the Goetz trial in New York become the rule everywhere. And the White
lawyers and judges are putting up very little resistance. They don't
want to rock the boat. They don't want to endanger their own positions
in the system. They know that anything they say against what is
happening will be condemned by the controlled media and by many of their
own colleagues as "hate speech." So they're permitting the Jews to
corrupt the system and in many cases are even helping them.

What can we do about this frightening and depressing situation, besides
trying our best to avoid any encounter with courts or lawyers? Shall we
promise ourselves that if we ever have to shoot a burglar we'll just get
rid of the body and not call the police? Shall we promise ourselves that
if we ever have to defend ourselves against a non-White mugger we'll
leave no witnesses alive to testify against us?

No, that's really not practical.

The first thing that we can do is stop being frightened and depressed
and instead become _angry._ Our enemies want us to be frightened and
depressed. That's what they intend when they gloat and announce that
they're sending a message to all "racists with guns." So instead of
being intimidated by this Jewish arrogance, we must become _enraged_.

We must become _boiling mad._ We must let our anger reinforce our
determination to put a final and total end to their corrupt system, no
matter what it takes.

And the second thing that we must do is speak up.

Don't remain silent in the face of this Jewish assault on our freedom
and on our civilization. When a mostly Black jury frees a Black
murderer, as in the OJ Simpson trial, express your outrage! Don't be
afraid of being called a "racist." When a White man is punished for
defending himself against Black criminals, speak up! Tell people what
you think.

That's what we're doing with this program. We're speaking up. We're
telling people what we think about the destruction of our justice
system. And we're finding that more and more people agree with us.

You speak up too. Don't be afraid!
-- 

this program written by William Pierce

posted by Kevin Alfred Strom
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From ka_strom@ix.netcom.com Fri Aug  9 09:36:16 PDT 1996
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Due to an unfortunate oversight, I am sure, the jg-brown-bot edited out 
the most important sections of my message to him, and failed to answer my 
questions. If we didn't already know that such a thing was impossible, we 
might think he weaseled most cowardly.

As a friendly gesture, I will restore the sections that were accidentally 
deleted by him and which he therefore did not respond to:

---I said---

I am most interested in your sources which indicate that there _are_
majority-White countries that do not currently accept multiracialism.
Please list these countries now, or admit that my statement is true.

Try not to weasel out of answering me this time. Allies and opponents
alike will admire a direct, responsive answer.

---Brown responded, after editing my question---

Setting up an arbitrary condition that I must meet, and claiming that 
your
assertion is true if I do not meet it, is also not evidence.

---

Is that an answer? Brown doesn't want to answer me, for reasons which I 
will allow the reader to determine. The salient point is that I asked a 
question, the correct answer to which would settle this rather peripheral 
issue, and Brown weaseled out of answering it.

---I stated---

Since you are now only claiming that no one has ever _said_ such a thing
outright, then my observation that such a thing is in fact happening
stands unchallenged. You don't deny that people _believe_ such things
and act on those beliefs. And Mr. Whitaker was not erecting a straw man.

Just to clarify your views on this matter, do you believe it is wrong for
White people to have monoracial societies?

---Brown "responded", after editing, including the _entire question_---

Very observant, Strom. Beliefs, however strongly held, are not evidence 
of
anything except strongly held beliefs.

---

So, Mr. Brown, I have restored the sections you accidentally deleted. Now 
please answer my two questions directly:

1. Do you believe it is wrong for White people to have monoracial 
societies?

2. Are you able to provide proof for your assertion that Mr. Whitaker was 
erecting a "straw man" when he stated that all majority-White countries 
endorse and practice multiracialism? If so, provide it.

I am sure that, this time, you will provide direct and honest answers to 
these simple questions.

With good wishes to all,

-- 


Kevin Alfred Strom

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Due to an unfortunate oversight, I am sure, the jg-brown-bot edited out 
the most important sections of my message to him, and failed to answer my 
questions. If we didn't already know that such a thing was impossible, we 
might think he weaseled most cowardly.

As a friendly gesture, I will restore the sections that were accidentally 
deleted by him and which he therefore did not respond to:

---I said---

I am most interested in your sources which indicate that there _are_
majority-White countries that do not currently accept multiracialism.
Please list these countries now, or admit that my statement is true.

Try not to weasel out of answering me this time. Allies and opponents
alike will admire a direct, responsive answer.

---Brown responded, after editing my question---

Setting up an arbitrary condition that I must meet, and claiming that 
your
assertion is true if I do not meet it, is also not evidence.

---

Is that an answer? Brown doesn't want to answer me, for reasons which I 
will allow the reader to determine. The salient point is that I asked a 
question, the correct answer to which would settle this rather peripheral 
issue, and Brown weaseled out of answering it.

---I stated---

Since you are now only claiming that no one has ever _said_ such a thing
outright, then my observation that such a thing is in fact happening
stands unchallenged. You don't deny that people _believe_ such things
and act on those beliefs. And Mr. Whitaker was not erecting a straw man.

Just to clarify your views on this matter, do you believe it is wrong for
White people to have monoracial societies?

---Brown "responded", after editing, including the _entire question_---

Very observant, Strom. Beliefs, however strongly held, are not evidence 
of
anything except strongly held beliefs.

---

So, Mr. Brown, I have restored the sections you accidentally deleted. Now 
please answer my two questions directly:

1. Do you believe it is wrong for White people to have monoracial 
societies?

2. Are you able to provide proof for your assertion that Mr. Whitaker was 
erecting a "straw man" when he stated that all majority-White countries 
endorse and practice multiracialism? If so, provide it.

I am sure that, this time, you will provide direct and honest answers to 
these simple questions.

With good wishes to all,

-- 


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From ka_strom@ix.netcom.com Sat Aug 10 13:53:45 PDT 1996
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Due to an unfortunate oversight, I am sure, the jg-brown-bot edited out 
the most important sections of my message to him, and failed to answer my 
questions. If we didn't already know that such a thing was impossible, we 
might think he weaseled most cowardly.

As a friendly gesture, I will restore the sections that were accidentally 
deleted by him and which he therefore did not respond to:

---I said---

I am most interested in your sources which indicate that there _are_
majority-White countries that do not currently accept multiracialism.
Please list these countries now, or admit that my statement is true.

Try not to weasel out of answering me this time. Allies and opponents
alike will admire a direct, responsive answer.

---Brown responded, after editing my question---

Setting up an arbitrary condition that I must meet, and claiming that 
your
assertion is true if I do not meet it, is also not evidence.

---

Is that an answer? Brown doesn't want to answer me, for reasons which I 
will allow the reader to determine. The salient point is that I asked a 
question, the correct answer to which would settle this rather peripheral 
issue, and Brown weaseled out of answering it.

---I stated---

Since you are now only claiming that no one has ever _said_ such a thing
outright, then my observation that such a thing is in fact happening
stands unchallenged. You don't deny that people _believe_ such things
and act on those beliefs. And Mr. Whitaker was not erecting a straw man.

Just to clarify your views on this matter, do you believe it is wrong for
White people to have monoracial societies?

---Brown "responded", after editing, including the _entire question_---

Very observant, Strom. Beliefs, however strongly held, are not evidence 
of
anything except strongly held beliefs.

---

So, Mr. Brown, I have restored the sections you accidentally deleted. Now 
please answer my two questions directly:

1. Do you believe it is wrong for White people to have monoracial 
societies?

2. Are you able to provide proof for your assertion that Mr. Whitaker was 
erecting a "straw man" when he stated that all majority-White countries 
endorse and practice multiracialism? If so, provide it.

I am sure that, this time, you will provide direct and honest answers to 
these simple questions.

With good wishes to all,

-- 


Kevin Alfred Strom

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Sam Laldin wrote:
....
> 
> 200 years of living in America, 30 years of approaching equality.... not
> much time to form a decision of success or failure.
> 
> Sam
> 

The past thirty years or so can be described as the official beginning of 
a New Dark Age (though its roots are far older) imposed by the new rulers 
of the entity which is still, for some reason or other, called "The 
United States of America." The religion of this Dark Age is not 
Catholicism, however -- it is "equality."

Equality, except in a mathematical sense, is almost unknown in the 
universe. Individuals are not equal; races are not equal. Attempting to 
achieve this eternally-elusive "equality" in the real world can only 
proceed by a process analogous to the one by which demented males attempt 
to make themselves into women. You can "equalize" by destroying and 
mutilating, never by creating in a being what Nature did not put there in 
the first place.

You have my

Best wishes,


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From ka_strom@ix.netcom.com Sun Aug 11 22:22:19 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: ISN'T WHITE SELF-SACRIFICE A FORM OF WHITE SUPREMACY?
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Laura Finsten wrote:
> 
> Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote:
> [...]
> 
> >Really, Mr. Brown, I get the feeling you're trying to hold my feet to the
> >fire just because it's in your programming. I can hardly believe that you
> >are _seriously_ suggesting that there exists a majority-White country
> >today that has racial qualifications for citizenship.
> 
> >I am most interested in your sources which indicate that there _are_
> >majority-White countries that do not currently accept multiracialism.
> >Please list these countries now, or admit that my statement is true.
> 
> >Try not to weasel out of answering me this time. Allies and opponents
> >alike will admire a direct, responsive answer.
> 
> Since every western country is (I believe, and I'm sure someone will
> correct me if I am wrong) signatory to the UN Declaration on Human
> Rights, and since this international declaration and the internal laws
> of all western countries prohibit discrimination on the basis of
> "race" and "national origin", I'm sure there aren't any western countries
> that today have "racial qualifications" for citizenship.
> 


Exactly my point. Why won't Brown admit the obvious? Mr. Whitaker's 
statement was correct.



> But there are many countries that have and are manipulating both
> their immigration laws and their laws governing refugees which are, to
> my mind at least, clearly intended to restrict the scope of immigration
> in ways which have nothing to do with anything but "race" and "national
> origin".  A good example is the recent change of law in Austria and, I
> think also Germany, declaring that no one who has set foot in a third
> country on their travels from their country of origin can be eligible
> for refugee status.
> 


Of course, this wasn't what we were talking about, but I certainly 
acknowledge that some countries are implemeting some half-measures to 
_slow_ the dispossession of their people.



> [...]
> 
> >> > You state that the position that 'EVERY majority white country must
> >> > become "multiracial"' is a straw man created by Whitaker. Therefore you
> >> > demanded proof that anyone has ever said such a thing. If you need proof
> >> > of that, then _obviously_ you must not hold such a position yourself.
> 
> >> Nope. It means I doubt "that anyone has ever said such a thing". No more,
> >> no less. Your 'implications' and your surmises of what must be going
> >> through my mind are your creations.
> 
> >Since you are now only claiming that no one has ever _said_ such a thing
> >outright, then my observation that such a thing is in fact happening
> >stands unchallenged. You don't deny that people _believe_ such things
> >and act on those beliefs. And Mr. Whitaker was not erecting a straw man.
> 
> "Is happening", Mr. Strom?  When has the United States or Canada *ever*
> been "uni-racial"?????  Given the way "race" has been alternately defined
> historically, it would be very difficult to argue that any modern European
> nation-state was ever "uni-racial", since state-making in Europe unified
> under the umbrella of a single political entity various groups who had
> historically seen themselves as distinct from others.
> ...


Brown -- who has weaseled out of answering any of my questions -- had 
asserted that Mr. Whitaker was erecting a "straw man" when he (Whitaker) 
said that all majority-White countries were today expected to be 
multiracial. Of course, it wasn't and isn't a straw man, as all observant 
and literate people well know. That was the only issue in question in my 
post; though I can see how following Brown's twists and evasions and 
non-sequiturs as he attempts to avoid answering my simple and direct 
questions can easily be confusing to the reader.

I regard the exposure of "j g brown" as a complete fraud, whose cowardice 
and refusal to engage in debate transcends the most hyperbolic 
descriptions I could imagine, as now complete.

With all good wishes,

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From ka_strom@ix.netcom.com Sun Aug 11 22:22:20 PDT 1996
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From: Kevin Alfred Strom 
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Subject: Re: MOST ENDANGERED SPECIES:  THE WHITE RACE!!
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Richard Harrold wrote:
> 
> Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote:
> 
> >I think it is debatable. "Species" is a word we have created to describe
> >something that exists in Nature. However, in evolution, breeds branch
> >into subspecies, which can eventually branch into different species. The
> >precise point at which a subspecies becomes a new species is a matter of
> >definition.
> 
> >I think it is reasonable to assign Africans and Europeans to different
> >subspecies. The real question is: is it desirable to merge the two
> >long-separate gene pools and end the speciation process?
> 
> Debateable with whom? Not with any responsible geneticist nor
> biologist, for certain. Unless you can come up with a reputable source
> that offers substantiated evidence that differing races of the human
> species qualify as subspecies, you are spreading spurious blather.
> 


The words "race" and "subspecies" are generally recognized as being 
synonomous. Check your dictionary.

>From  _Race_, by Dr. John R. Baker, Oxford University Press, 1974, page 4:

"When a species has a wide distribution, it often shows differences of 
structure in different places, though intermediates occur. Each 
recognizable group constitutes a taxon called a _subspecies_ or _race_."

page 68:

"When subspecies (races) are concerned, a trinomial replaces the binomial 
name. Thus the Europid ('Caucasian') race of man is named _Homo sapiens 
albus_."

page 84:

"...the steamship and now the aeroplane have brought the _races_ together 
in space to an extent never known before. Without these mechanical 
devices the kladogenetic evolution of human races might possibly have 
gone further, and produced in the end genetic barriers to hybridity in 
addition to the psychological ones that have a partial isolating effect 
today."

Noted anthropologist Carleton Coon was of the opinion that the division 
of mankind into races predated evolution into a recognizably human type; 
an idea which is still hotly debated. He stated in _The Living Races of 
Man_, Alfred A. Knopf, 1965, pp. 6-7:

"The living races of man have been given formal Latin subspecific names 
by some scientists. And according to the international rules of 
zoological nomenclature, the names first designated have priority and 
should be the ones used. Linnaeus, who started this system, named four -- 
_americanus_, _europaeus_, _asiaticus_, and _afer_, the fourth 
designating Negroes....

"In this book we shall follow the racial classification proposed in 1962 
in _The Origin of Races_.... The proposed subspecies are Caucasoid, 
Mongoloid, Australoid, Congoid, and Capoid. The last two are both 
African. The Congoids are Negroes and Pygmies. The Capoids are the 
Bushmen and, in a mixed state, the Hottentots, Korana, and Sandwe (of 
Tanzania). Like the Congoid, the Australoid subspecies is further divided 
into full-sized Australoids and hereditary dwarfs usually called 
Negritos....

"What terms shall we use, then, to designate for the time being the five 
full-sized subspecies and the two dwarfed subspecies? We propose to call 
all seven _races_, for the following reasons. In the first place, certain 
writers, particularly the specialists in blood-groups, refuse to separate 
the Bushmen from the Negroes, despite many morphological differences, 
because of a general similarilty in blood. Although we do not at present 
agree with this, we grant that the status of the Bushmen is still open. 
In the second place, the Pygmies and Negritos may really be subspecies 
themselves and indeed may constitute more than two subspecies; how many 
we do not know. The pygmy chimpanzee, a comparable primate, is given 
taxonomic status ranging from genus to subspecies."

Care to retract your statement about "spurious blather"?



> And another debate of interest to you might be should we end the
> intermixing of quality genes from humans who know no irrelevant
> barriers with the cretins who profess white supremacism or white
> separatisim, or any other racial ideology which has as its ideological
> base a lie....


You can describe it any way you like. I would describe such a separation 
as being between those who see reality as it actually is; and those, 
religious in the most debased sense of that word, who decide what is real 
based on authority and on how it makes them "feel." But such a separation 
would, along with racial separation, probably be a very good way to 
advance the evolutionary process.

With good wishes to all,


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Subject: Re: MOST ENDANGERED SPECIES:  THE WHITE RACE!!
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Richard Harrold wrote:
> 
> Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote:
> 
> >Richard Harrold wrote:
> >> ...
> >>
> >> Get with it chum, go back to school. The
> >> white race is not a species. Get it?
> >>
> >> Different species cannot intermix. So spare us this intellectual
> >> dwarfism and go back to your ward.
> >>
> 
> >Mr. Harrold is very loose with the accusations of "mental dwarfism,"
> >"idiot," "liar," "go back to your ward," et cetera, but he does
> >occasionally admit his mistakes.
> 
> >Perhaps he will admit this one:
> 
> >Mr. Harrold, not only _can_ different species interbreed, they _do_
> >interbreed, and they _do_ produce offspring.
> 
> >Examples include dogs and wolves, bison and cattle, lions and tigers,
> >guppies and platties, donkeys and horses.
> 
> >To further your education on this subject, read
> 
> >http://ftp.sunet.se/pub/nir/alex/misc/chimphuman.mail/4
> 
> >Then perhaps you will retract your gross insult to the author of the
> >original article.
> 
> You are correct. I do admit things when I am wrong. There are
> occasions when differing species can interbreed.
> 
> However, the intellectual dwarfism I exhibited with my post is
> eclipsed by the original post the proposes that the white race is a
> separate species. This remains incorrect and remains to be a ludicrous
> statement.
> ...

I think it is debatable. "Species" is a word we have created to describe 
something that exists in Nature. However, in evolution, breeds branch 
into subspecies, which can eventually branch into different species. The 
precise point at which a subspecies becomes a new species is a matter of 
definition.

I think it is reasonable to assign Africans and Europeans to different 
subspecies. The real question is: is it desirable to merge the two 
long-separate gene pools and end the speciation process?

With good wishes to all,


-- 


Kevin Alfred Strom

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Sam Laldin wrote:
....
> 
> 200 years of living in America, 30 years of approaching equality.... not
> much time to form a decision of success or failure.
> 
> Sam
> 

The past thirty years or so can be described as the official beginning of 
a New Dark Age (though its roots are far older) imposed by the new rulers 
of the entity which is still, for some reason or other, called "The 
United States of America." The religion of this Dark Age is not 
Catholicism, however -- it is "equality."

Equality, except in a mathematical sense, is almost unknown in the 
universe. Individuals are not equal; races are not equal. Attempting to 
achieve this eternally-elusive "equality" in the real world can only 
proceed by a process analogous to the one by which demented males attempt 
to make themselves into women. You can "equalize" by destroying and 
mutilating, never by creating in a being what Nature did not put there in 
the first place.

You have my

Best wishes,


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From ka_strom@ix.netcom.com Mon Aug 12 09:09:11 PDT 1996
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Interesting comments; but they would be much easier to read if you put in 
carriage returns every 70 characters or so.

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From ka_strom@ix.netcom.com Mon Aug 12 13:36:41 PDT 1996
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From: Kevin Alfred Strom 
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Subject: Re: Burglars;  no more burglars.
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M.S. Robb wrote:
> 
> In article <4um38i$eou@basement.replay.com>,
> Anonymous  wrote:
> 
> >If the USA didn't have other races, the murder rate would be lower than
> >Western Europe's per capita. It isn't the whites using the guns for
> >murders. It's the others. Sad to say.
> 
> So blacks are poor and poor use guns. Surprise me. It's US social
> inequality that causes crime, hence guns. To wash one's white hands of
> the affair is to be ignorant of the reality of US society.
> 

For four years I lived in one of the poorest counties in one of the 
poorest states of the Union, West Virginia. Social inequality was great. 
Poverty was omnipresent. Firearms were everywhere -- even little old 
ladies had their rifles and shotguns.

But crime was very, very, low. And violent crime was almost nonexistent. 
Of course, the population was 99.7 per cent. White.

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From ka_strom@ix.netcom.com Mon Aug 12 13:36:42 PDT 1996
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Stephanie Smilay wrote:
> 
> On 12 Aug 1996 04:00:50 +0200, nobody@REPLAY.COM (Anonymous) wrote:
> 
> [...]
> >
> >If the USA didn't have other races, the murder rate would be lower than Western Europe's per capita. It isn't the whites using the guns for 
murders. It's the
> 
> "Other"?  Which is the "real" race, and which are the others?
> 
> I have the sick feeling you're not talking about American Indians, who
> have more right than anyone else living here to regard everyone else
> as "other".
> 


You have the "sick feeling" that someone might be standing up for the 
interests and values of the European race. Horrors! We all know that that 
is "wrong" -- don't we?

In the United States, Blacks commit murder at over 7 times the rate of 
Whites. Blacks commit interracial murder at over 13 times the rate of 
Whites.

These facts tend to confirm the thesis of the original poster in this 
thread, and should be of interest to members of all races, including 
Amerinds.

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Subject: Re: 90% of all Hate Crime Victims are White
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Douglas Smith wrote:
> ...
> 
> (B) According to the latest annual report on murder by the FBI (1994), 94% of black
>     murder victims were slain by black offenders, and 84% of white murder victims
>     were slain by white offenders (page 14, Crime in the United States 1994, Uniform
>     Crime Reports).
> 
> These are the cold hard facts.  The cites are here, the page numbers are here, the
> phone number is here.  Talk all you want, but you cannot dispute this information.
> 
> Doug
> 
> Here to save YOU all

Let us use your sources, and figure the overall, and interracial, murder 
rate per capita for Blacks and Whites.

Blacks comprise roughly 13 per cent. of the population, and Whites 
comprise roughly 75 per cent. Despite this, an actual numerical majority 
of murders are committed by Blacks.

According to your ally Mr. Harrold who quotes the UCR:

> According to the 1994 U.S. UCR (p.17), of 5,371 white murder victims,
> they were killed by 4,445 white killers versus 790 black killers. Of
> 5,527 blacks murdered, they were killed by 337 white killers and 5,106
> black killers.

These figures closely correspond to your percentages, though I get closer 
to 85 per cent. of White murder victims being killed by White murderers.

Let us figure the rates for murder as a whole (5786 murders committed by 
Blacks; 4782 murders committed by Whites):

5786/13 = x    4782/75 = y    x/y = 7.1132

Blacks commit murder at over _seven times_ the rate of Whites. To put it 
another way; a Black taken at random from the population is seven times 
as likely to be a murderer than is a randomly chosen White.

Now let us look at interracial murder rates (790 interracial murders 
committed by Blacks; 337 interracial murders committed by Whites):

790/13 = x    337/75 = y    x/y = 13.5243

Blacks commit interracial murder at over _13 times_ the rate of Whites.

I think everyone will agree that these statistics show a very significant 
difference in behavior between the two subspecies.

With all good wishes,

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Douglas Smith wrote:
> ...
> 
> (B) According to the latest annual report on murder by the FBI (1994), 94% of black
>     murder victims were slain by black offenders, and 84% of white murder victims
>     were slain by white offenders (page 14, Crime in the United States 1994, Uniform
>     Crime Reports).
> 
> These are the cold hard facts.  The cites are here, the page numbers are here, the
> phone number is here.  Talk all you want, but you cannot dispute this information.
> 
> Doug
> 
> Here to save YOU all

Let us use your sources, and figure the overall, and interracial, murder 
rate per capita for Blacks and Whites.

Blacks comprise roughly 13 per cent. of the population, and Whites 
comprise roughly 75 per cent. Despite this, an actual numerical majority 
of murders are committed by Blacks.

According to your ally Mr. Harrold who quotes the UCR:

> According to the 1994 U.S. UCR (p.17), of 5,371 white murder victims,
> they were killed by 4,445 white killers versus 790 black killers. Of
> 5,527 blacks murdered, they were killed by 337 white killers and 5,106
> black killers.

These figures closely correspond to your percentages, though I get closer 
to 85 per cent. of White murder victims being killed by White murderers.

Let us figure the rates for murder as a whole (5786 murders committed by 
Blacks; 4782 murders committed by Whites):

5786/13 = x    4782/75 = y    x/y = 7.1132

Blacks commit murder at over _seven times_ the rate of Whites. To put it 
another way; a Black taken at random from the population is seven times 
as likely to be a murderer than is a randomly chosen White.

Now let us look at interracial murder rates (790 interracial murders 
committed by Blacks; 337 interracial murders committed by Whites):

790/13 = x    337/75 = y    x/y = 13.5243

Blacks commit interracial murder at over _13 times_ the rate of Whites.

I think everyone will agree that these statistics show a very significant 
difference in behavior between the two subspecies.

With all good wishes,

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From ka_strom@ix.netcom.com Tue Aug 13 09:22:31 PDT 1996
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Andrew Mathis wrote:
> 
> Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote:
> ...
> >I know of no White nationalist organization, anywhere in the world, that
> >does not welcome Slavic people as members. From Gibraltar to the Urals,
> >from the beaches of the Mediterranean to the fjords of Norway, and
> >wherever our seed has taken root, we are one people.
> 
> AFAIK, both Gary "Whoops, I dropped the soap" Lauck, head of the
> NSDAP/AO and self-appointed successor to Hitler, and Harold "Boy my
> Bubbie must be proud" Covington, head of the American Nazi Party and
> self-appointed succesor to George Rockwell, both will not allow either
> Mediterraneans (Italians, Spaniards, Greeks) or Slavs in their groups.
> 
> Put that in your pipe and choke on it.
> ...

Mr. Lauck's organization published pro-White material in various 
languages, including Slavic languages; these are hardly the actions of an 
anti-Slav.

As for Covington, for whom I carry no brief or endorsement and whose 
successorship to Rockwell is entirely solipsistic, I have never read 
anything from him stating his rejection of Slavs as members. If you have 
such evidence, please produce it.

We're waiting.

Be wary,

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David Schmitz wrote:
> 
> In <320F7D2A.6486@ix.netcom.com>, Kevin Alfred Strom  writes:
....
> >
> >In the United States, Blacks commit murder at over 7 times the rate of
> >Whites. Blacks commit interracial murder at over 13 times the rate of
> >Whites.
> >
> >These facts tend to confirm the thesis of the original poster in this
> >thread, and should be of interest to members of all races, including
> >Amerinds.
> >
> >Happy Internetting,
> >
> >Kevin Alfred Strom
> 
> All right, here we go: of data based on 25,052 murder offenders, 56 percent
> were black and 42 percent were white. For blacks (ifun my math is correct)
> that's five black murderers per 100,000 and for whites that's 4 per 100,000
> people who commit murder. Hardly seven times, which throws your other number
> in doubt.
> 
> David Schmitz...


No, your math is wildly off. Let's use your statistics, bearing in mind 
that Blacks comprise about 13 per cent. of the U.S. population, and 
Whites comprise about 75 per cent.

You stated that 56 per cent. of murderers were Black. Even without 
calculating the rates, it is astounding that the numerical majority of 
murders would be committed by a racial group making up only 13 per cent. 
of the population.

You further stated that 42 per cent. of murder offenders were White.

To get the ratio of the murder rates, we calculate as follows:

56/13 = x    42/75 = y    x/y = 7.692

Thus, according to the figures you supplied, Blacks commit murder at well 
over 7 times the rate for Whites.

This tends to confirm the thesis of the poster of the original message in 
this thread.

With all good wishes,


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Richard Harrold wrote:
> ...
> 
> Again, we come to the real issue of responsibility vs.
> irresponsiblity, characteristics independent of race.
> ...


This has certainly not been demonstrated.

Perhap we should explore the statistics regarding illegitimate births or 
spousal abandonment, and see if there are any significant variations by 
race?

Any takers?

With good wishes to all,


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Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
> 
> In article <4ulvar$7mm@molokini.conterra.com>, bob whitaker
>  wrote:
> ...
> 
> >         Pollitically Correct people told me that I had to come
> > up with references that non-whites were moving into white
> > countries.  I pointed out that only an idiot would deny it.
> > They absolutely yelled that they hadn't actually denied it.
> 
> I can't speak for anyone else, Whitaker -- but you will search in vain for
> any post of mine in which _I_ deny that non-whites were moving into white
> countries. That was not the question.
> 
> Let me acquaint you with some facts, Whitaker. I know you haven't much
> experience with them, but don't be afraid -- they won't bite.
> 
> Fact: In article <4u39mi$5a2@molokini.conterra.com>, bob whitaker
>  wrote:
> 
>    >     We expect non-whites to be "racist".   We do not expect
>    > Japan or Singapore to throw open their borders, but every white
>    > majority country, and only white m,ajority countries, are
>    > expected to.  Note that that is a 100% rule: EVERY majority
>    > white country must become "multiracial", but no one of any
>    > other race, rich or poor, is expected to do that.
> 
> Fact: In article  I replied:
> 
>    > Specify who it is, exactly, that says 'EVERY majority white country
>    > must become "multiracial"'. Quote us some quotes.
> 


Then Brown said: "I smell the distinct aroma of straw man."

This adds a significant nuance of meaning to Brown's statement. Many 
unfamiliar with Brown's peculiar mindset might reasonably think that 
Brown was denying Whitaker's statement.



> Fact: The point at issue is not the racial makeup of immigrants into
> "white majority countries". The point at issue is who is allegedly saying
> what about how such immgration should be managed.
> 


Brown is wrong.

Mr. Whitaker was _not_ discussing what anyone _said_ and the verb "to 
say" is not in the relevant quote from him.

Since some might accuse Brown of ridiculous semantic quibbling on a 
peripheral point and demanding proof of the obvious, I will again give 
him a chance to redeem himself in other's eyes. All he needs to do is to 
clarify his position by answering these very simple questions:

1. Do you believe it is wrong for White people to have monoracial 
societies?

2. Are you able to provide proof for your assertion that Mr. Whitaker was 
erecting a "straw man" when he stated that all majority-White countries 
are expected to endorse and practice multiracialism? If so, provide it.

3. Have you ever publicly demanded proof of assertions made by 
anti-racists? Or is your quest for rigid proof of statements selectively 
and inconsistently applied?

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From ka_strom@ix.netcom.com Tue Aug 13 09:28:22 PDT 1996
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From: Kevin Alfred Strom 
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Subject: Re: MOST ENDANGERED SPECIES:  THE WHITE RACE!!
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Richard Harrold wrote:
> 
> Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote:
> ...
> 
> >The words "race" and "subspecies" are generally recognized as being
> >synonomous. Check your dictionary.
> 
> I did, and here is what it said:  A group of plants or animals having
> characteristics which clearly differentiating it from other groups
> , and which breeds true except for minor
> variations.
> 


Exactly. Whites and Africans are animals. Each group has characters 
clearly differentiating it from other groups. And each group breeds true, 
except for minor variations. White humans and Black humans represent two 
subspecies of humans, of several that exist.



> Regarding the sources you cited, some of them I am familiar with, and
> their publication dates of more than thirty years ago in some cases
> gathers them into the group of suspect. Because in the 1960's we know
> there were laws banning interracial marriage which, in part, used
> these sources to back up their existance. These laws were eventually
> thrown out as spurious by Loving v. Virginia in 1968. The authors of
> these texts had attempted to use biology to legitimize racism....

Books over 30 years old are "suspect"? Shades of the Soviet Union.

At any rate...

It seems unlikely to me that the framers of a law struck down in 1968 
used a 1974 book to scientifically justify their legislation! Since the 
law was probably of long standing (my best guess for the latest 
incarnation of most anti-miscegenation statutes would be the late 
nineteenth century, after the "reconstruction" era, though many may 
predate the Republic), it seems very unlikely that John Baker or Carleton 
Coon were out of their diapers when it was enacted -- if they were even 
born.



> 
> If we look at the wolf, for example, canus lupus, there are
> identifiable sub species, but these were indentified only recently
> through genetic testing to prove their DNA structure was identifiably
> different from the structures of other wolf supspecies. This is why
> the Mexican Gray Wolf can be a subspecies from the Arctic Wolf.
> However, the Red Wolf it was discovered by biological studies in North
> Carolina and in New Mexico, may not be a supspecies, but a hybrid of
> wolf species and dog. An anomoly among the taxonomic criterion because
> biologists for years viewed the Red Wolf as a separate subspecies
> based on physiological characteristics.
> 


And the relevance of this paragraph to the existence of human subspecies 
is...?



> Now, regarding your hypothesis that had mechanical means of travel had
> not provided an opportunity for the races to mix, human that is, then
> they MIGHT have developed into identifiable subspecies with differing
> genetic characteristics. Hmmmm. Yeah, so what?
> 


Not my hypothesis, thank you though, but Dr. John Baker's. And you've got 
it all wrong: He was not saying that races might have developed into 
subspecies given enough time -- he was saying that the _existing_ 
subspecies, given enough time, might become completely separate species 
utterly incapable of interbreeding.



....
> Ergo, my statement regarding the notion that  the races of the human
> species represent sup-species remains....it is spurious blather.
> 


You have not demonstrated that at all. Race and subspecies are synonyms. 
Unless you have now joined the "there is no such thing as race" crowd 
over in cloud-cuckoo-land, if you acknowledge the existence of biological 
races in a species, then you also acknowledge the existence of 
subspecies. The definition you culled from your dictionary clearly shows 
this to be true.

The existence of linnean subspecies within _Homos sapiens_ is essentially 
indisputable. Any other species which exhibited the wide range of 
physical variation between identifiable geographic groups that humans 
exhibit would be divided into subspecies. There are varieties of Siberian 
hamster, for example, which are indistinguishable to the human observer, 
which are granted separate _species_ status, the primary difference 
them being one of odor.

Humans developed in virtually every habitat on Earth, from burning 
jungles to arctic wastes. If there were no subspecific variations in 
humans, it would be a most surprising biological anomaly. Is there any 
similarly widespread species on this planet which is _not_ divided into 
subspecies? Many subspecific divisions are based on morphological 
differences far less noticeable than those which distinguish human 
varieties.

Do try again, though.

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Richard Harrold wrote:
> ...
> >>
> >> If we look at the wolf, for example, canus lupus, there are
> >> identifiable sub species, but these were indentified only recently
> >> through genetic testing to prove their DNA structure was identifiably
> >> different from the structures of other wolf supspecies. This is why
> >> the Mexican Gray Wolf can be a subspecies from the Arctic Wolf.
> >> However, the Red Wolf it was discovered by biological studies in North
> >> Carolina and in New Mexico, may not be a supspecies, but a hybrid of
> >> wolf species and dog. An anomoly among the taxonomic criterion because
> >> biologists for years viewed the Red Wolf as a separate subspecies
> >> based on physiological characteristics.
> >>
> 
> >And the relevance of this paragraph to the existence of human subspecies
> >is...?
> 
> You said so. Humans are animals. What I am addressing here is for a
> subspecies to exist, an indentifiable genetic marker is now considered
> to be the sin quo non. Without the marker to spearate a "race" you
> have no sub species.
> 


If we needed a genetic marker to distinguish subspecies, then there would 
be very very few subspecies today. I suggest that you carefully read:

http://ftp.sunet.se/pub/nir/alex/misc/chimphuman.mail/4

>From  which I will excerpt a portion relevant to this discussion (note 
that the concepts in this quote, which deals with species distinctions, 
apply with equal or greater force to sub-species distinctions):

---begin quote---

"From: lawr_je@wums2.wustl.edu
Subject: Species and Speciation
Date: 11 Jul 91 15:25:26 GMT


Questions and replies on the issues of cross-fertilization (a while ago) 
and speciation have touch upon definitions of biological species.  
Speciation
may be defined as the process by which novel species are formed.  
Several individuals have offered opinions which incorporate ideas present
in the recent literature regarding species and species concepts.  
A confusing factor here is the mutiplicity of species concepts and the 
limited scope of their individual applications.  The major species
concepts to date (hope I'm not forgetting any) are :

1. The biological species concept.  Coined by Ernst Mayr in his belief 
that it
was all inclusive, the definition of species under this concept is a 
group
of actually or potentially interbreeding populations isolated from other 
such
groups.  This concept evolved (so to speak) from the ideas of Emerson in 
the 
40's and Grant in the 50's.  While this concept is readily applicable to
charismatic megavertebrates, like humans, it fails when taxa with extant 
sister
groups, or those with complicated reproductive habits, are considered. 

2. The taxonomic species concept.  A majority of taxonomists utilize a
"working" or empirical definition of species as a group distinguished 
from
discontinuities among character states, an abstract 3D or 4D definition.
This is nice for taxonomists, but not for everybody else.

3. The evolutionary species concept. Formulated by George Simpson, a 
species is
viewed as a linked, descendent sequence of populations evolving 
separately from
others and with its own unitary evolutionary role and tendencies.  This 
concept
is easy to apply to fossil species, or well established taxa, but is not
widely applicable to the description of novel species.

4. The recognition species concept.  Hugh Patterson proposed a species be 
the 
most inclusive population of individual biparental organisms which share 
a
common fertilization system.  An immediate shortcoming of this concept is 
its
inability to deal with parthenogenic eukaryotes or any prokaryote. It
addresses the shortfall of the biological species concept in grouping any
potentially interbreeding organisms in a single species by distinguishing
groups with alternate mate recognition systems, e.g. plants with 
different
flowering times.

5. The ecological species concept. Leigh Van Valen defined a species as a
lineage which occupies an adaptive zone minimally different from that of 
any other lineage in its range and which evolves separately from all 
lineages
outside its range.  This is another working definition which is difficult
to test empirically.

6. The cohesion species concept.  Alan Templeton proposed a species as a 
group
of organisms whose range of phenotypic variation is limited by 
genetically
based cohesion mechanisms.  This concept attempted to incorporate the 
strong
points of the recognition, evolutionary, and biological species concepts 
and
eliminated their weaknesses by being exceptionally vague.  In theory, 
this
concept would be application to taxa which prove difficult to define 
under
other schemes, such as parthenogenic lizards, interbreeding oak trees,
ring species of salamnders (A breeds with B, B breeds with C, C breeds 
with D,
A can't breed with D), bacterial species, fossil species, etc.

The concept of species one should apply is contingent upon the question 
that
inc\vestigators wishes to address.  If the question regards cross
fertilization, one may apply the recognition concept. While two plant 
species
may be crossed in the greenhouse, they flower at different times and 
would not
interbreed. They are species under this concept. Certain anurans have 
been
classified as single species under the taxonomic concept, but some taxa
are tetraploid and do not breed with their sibling species. These 
organisms
are separated into separate species when utilizing an alternate species
concept. Bacterial species are even more difficult to define, as sexual
exchange of genes is not at all coupled with reproduction, and nearly 
every species concept, save templeton's, fails to address them. Similar
problems arise with parthenogenic species, such as all-female lizard
species, triploid salamnders, selfing plants, or hermaphroditic worms.

As this is a simplification of the issue of species, it is clear that 
there are few easy answers. 

To address the question of Speciation (finally), one must first determine
which species concept to utilize.  Certain concepts (e.g. evolutionary or
taxonomic) allow the introduction of novel species into taxonomy without
reference to mechanisms.  Other concepts (e.g. biological, recognition,
cohesion) do make reference to mechanisms of speciation.  A few of the
important concepts include:

Allopatric speciation : Whereby two population of a single species are
physically separated for sufficient time for isolation mechanisms to
develop. 

Sympatric speciation : Whereby a single population fragments within a 
single
physical space remain so for sufficient time for isolation mechanisms to
develop. Fragmentation may be temporal (flowering at different times of 
the
day) or micro-spatial (scorpions living under rocks vs. under logs).

Isolation mechanisms : This is the big concept. Under the biological 
species
concept, individuals must be reproductively isolated. Under the 
recognition
system, they only need not share the same mate-recognition system (e.g.
frog calls). Two classes of isolation mechanisms exist, examples include:

  A. Pre-Fertilization 
     1. Physical. Parts don't match for those with internal 
fertilization.
     2. Behavioral. Not proper stimuls, wrong breeding season.
     3. Physiological. Gametes are incompatible.
  B. Post-fertilization
     1. Hybrid dysgenesis. Offspring is sterile (e.g. your basic mule).
     2. Genetic. Incompatible genomic imprinting, developmental 
expression...


So the question boils down to this : how do populations acquire 
isolation?
That issue is even messier than species concepts.  Some mechanisms are:

A. Polyploidy. A commom mechanism in plants, get another set of 
chromosomes.
B. Chromosome fission and fusion. A big factor in bat speciation.
C. Founder effects. Rapidly fix genetic polymorphisms. This is a messy 
issue
                    in and of itself. We won't get into transilience.
D. Mutation at one or more key loci.

The process of speciation reduces to individuals or populations of 
individuals
acquiring reproductive isolation (of some sort), or phenotypic cohesion, 
or
individual evolutionary direction, or unique ecological impact, which 
distinguishes that individual or group of individuals from its closest
relatives.  That's a vague definition, but its as good as one can do,
considering the variety of organisms which are classified as individual
species."

---end quote---



....
> 
> But I still challenge the notion that human races are subspecies. I am
> not convinced.
> 


Well, some people are not convinced that the Earth is ab oblate spheroid.



....
> >The existence of linnean subspecies within _Homos sapiens_ is essentially
> >indisputable. Any other species which exhibited the wide range of
> >physical variation between identifiable geographic groups that humans
> >exhibit would be divided into subspecies. There are varieties of Siberian
> >hamster, for example, which are indistinguishable to the human observer,
> >which are granted separate _species_ status, the primary difference
> >them being one of odor.
> 
> provide names of this species and subspecies please.
> 


I don't have it immediately at hand. However, it was mentioned by Sir 
David Attenborough on his excellent television program, _Life on Earth_, 
which you very much need to watch.

Happy Ides of August,

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Subject: Re: YOU STUPID AMERICANS YOU ARE NOT WHITE
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Eugene Holman, whose head is probably not actually curly, wrote:
> ...
> 
> There are certain things about the American brand of racism (racialism)
> that you, Ole, do not understand.
> 
> The most important racist organiation, the Ku Klux Klan,


What a ridiculous statement.


> has traditionally
> adhered to a definition of 'White' which excludes Jews, Catholics, Eastern
> and Southern Europeans, people whose native or ancestral language is not
> English, German, Dutch, or Scandinavian, as well as Celts. Even though the
> United States has had fifty presidential elections, the number of
> presidential and vice-presidential candidates fielded by the major parties
> that have not been 'White' in the above sense can be counted on one hand
> (Al Smith (Catholic Democratic presidential candidate in 1928, lost in an
> election in which his religion was very much an issue), John Kennedy
> (Catholic Democratic presidential candidate in 1960, narrowly won an
> election in which his religion was very much an issue assassinated), Spiro
> Agnew (Greek American Republican vice-presidential candidate in 1968, won
> on Nixon's coattails; resigned as result of scandal), Geraldine Ferraro
> (Italian Catholic Democratic vice-presidential candidate in 1984, lost),
> Michael Dukakis (Greek-American Democratic presidential candidate in 1988,
> lost). 


You keep leaving out James Buchanan. Here is an excerpt from his 
biographical article in the Ninth Edition of the _Encyclopaedia 
Britannica_:

"BUCHANAN, James (1791-1868); fifteenth President of the United States, 
was born in Franklin County, Pennsylvania. His father, of the same name, 
was an Irishman who had eight years before emigrated from Donegal, and 
had become a well-to-do farmer."

Last time you brought up this bilge, you also stated that the nasty 
"racists" also excluded anyone whose name ended in a vowel sound, like 
Humphrey. But since his name betrays Celtic roots, one might also want to 
consider William McKinley.



....
> 
> Many Americans do not regard southern, eastern, or Jewish 'ethnic
> Europeans' as 'white'. One consequence of this thinking is the official
> existence in the United states of a specific 'racial' category,
> 'Hispanic', regarded as parallel with 'White' and 'African-American'.
> 'Hispanic' includes everyone with perceived cultural roots going back to
> the Iberian peninsula (Spanish, Basque(!), Portuguese(!), Catalan, Central
> or South American, Spanish-sounding name), no matter what their skin
> color, language, or other racial characteristics. Thus, a blond
> Argentinian, a Mexican of primarily Nahuatl ancestry, a Brazilian, a black
> Cuban, and a USA-resident Finn with a name like Raimo Anttila will all be
> thrown into this group.
> 


I have never heard of anyone, even the U.S. government, categorizing a 
Finn as "Hispanic." I heartily agree that this term, not reflecting a 
true racial category, should be discarded in its present sense. It may be 
useful as a synonym for "exclsuively-Spanish-descended," however; in 
which case it should only apply to a certain variety of White person.

With best wishes for the second half of August,

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Laura Finsten wrote:
> ...
> 
> When have contemporary North American nations ever been "uni-racial"?
> If you are going to argue that they have been, please define the term
> for me.  I don't mind if you limit your answer to the United States.
> But I sure would like an answer to my question, because it seems to
> me that *your* argument is based on a strawman.
> 


I am not sure what you mean by "contemporary" North American nations, but 
I will assume you mean by that nations north of the Rio Grande that still 
have some corporate (de jure) or spiritual (de facto) existence.

The various Amerind nations were certainly monoracial until the arrival 
of Europeans, though only a few of them qualify in the sense of Mongoloid 
purity today. In the sense of being racially distinct from all other 
North American nations, and having racial qualifications for membership 
therein, they still qualify.

The Black nation in America, which is in the process of its political 
birth as we speak, was monoracial in every sense at the start of its 
travails in America, and still qualifies as a monoracial nation in the 
same sense as the Amerinds.

The White nation in America, which until recently guarded its genetic 
essence far more successfully than the others previously mentioned, and 
which, until the Second Republic of 1865 and probably until the 
Revolution of 1933, could be (leaving aside Canada) identified with the 
legal fiction called the "United States of America," certainly qualifies 
on both scores.

As far as the corporate entities, such as "Canada," and the "United 
States of America," are concerned, it is true that even at their 
beginnings there were non-citizens of other races tolerated within their 
borders. In some cases members of alien races were even granted 
citizenship.

But until the "civil rights" revolution and the opening of the floodgates 
of non-White immigration, both entities were White nations in the same 
sense and roughly to the same degree that a field of corn is definitely a 
field of corn, and has all the essential qualities of a field of corn, 
despite the presence of some small quantity of weeds, rats, and moles. 

Today, it is "immoral" to tend the field.

With all good wishes,

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From ka_strom@ix.netcom.com Tue Aug 20 23:11:17 PDT 1996
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Andrew Mathis wrote:
> ...
> 2) The Vikings attempted to invade England once the Anglo-Saxons and
> Jutes were there but were repelled
> 
> Andrew
> 

Perhaps you should go visit the Jorvik Viking Center and museum in York, 
England. "York," of course, is the anglicized version of the original 
Norse name of the city, Jorvik.

It is excellent, and the reconstruction of the Viking city is most 
lifelike. It's quite large, well-promoted, and right in the center of the 
city. You can't miss it.

With all good wishes,

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From ka_strom@ix.netcom.com Wed Aug 21 07:54:32 PDT 1996
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From: Kevin Alfred Strom 
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The only relevant question, and the one which all respondents have so far 
avoided in this thread:

Is it "poetic justice" for someone who speaks against non-White 
immigration to be killed?

With good wishes to all,

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The only relevant question, and the one which all respondents have so far 
avoided in this thread:

Is it "poetic justice" for someone who speaks against non-White 
immigration to be killed?

With good wishes to all,

-- 


Kevin Alfred Strom

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From ka_strom@ix.netcom.com Wed Aug 21 10:42:37 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: YOU STUPID AMERICANS YOU ARE NOT WHITE
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Eugene Holman wrote:
> =

> In article <3213A295.790F@ix.netcom.com>, Kevin Alfred Strom
>  wrote:
> =

> > Eugene Holman, whose head is probably not actually curly,
> =

> For empirical proof that what's left of my hair still is, check out my
> photograph at the following URL:
> =

> http://www.helsinki.fi/hum/eng/staff/holman.html
> ...


I looked carefully, and while your hair is what I would describe as =

kinky, your head itself shows no tendency toward curliness whatsoever.

Of course, red-"headed" people use the same expression.



> =

> ...
> > >
> > > There are certain things about the American brand of racism (racialis=
m)
> > > that you, Ole, do not understand.
> > >
> > > The most important racist organiation, the Ku Klux Klan,
> >
> >
> > What a ridiculous statement.
> >
> >
> =

> The Ku Klux Klan has been around for more than 130 years. Although it has=

> had its ups and downs, splits, and internecine conflicts, it is the one
> American racist organization that is so well known that its sheet-clad
> grand dragons, grand wizards etc. have become an internationally
> recognized symbol - almost to be point of being a clich=E9 - of organized=

> American racism. No other racist-oriented organization in the United
> States can claim to have made a contribution anywhere near that made by
> the boys in white to defining and personifying American racist thinking.
> If that does not qualify the Klan as the 'most important' American racist=

> organization, please provide a counterexample.
> =



I agree that, to the boobs, the Ku Klux Klan has _symbolized_ American =

resistance to multiracialism in the media age.

For all practical purposes, though, the Ku Klux Klan no longer exists.

A number of tiny organizations, some of them operated by the secret =

police, use the name "Ku Klux Klan."

A number of persons also claim to be the King of France. This does not =

mean that the French monarchy still exists as a real political force or =

that it should be considered important by grownups.

Probably the most important (in terms of size) race-based organizations =

are Jewish ones and the well-funded Black-interest organizations in the =

United States, but if you are talking about serious White resistance =

groups, the National Alliance probably qualifies. After all, Rabbi =

Abraham Cooper called it the "most dangerous" organization in the United =

States, and I guess that counts for something.


> > You keep leaving out James Buchanan. Here is an excerpt from his
> > biographical article in the Ninth Edition of the _Encyclopaedia
> > Britannica_:
> >
> > "BUCHANAN, James (1791-1868); fifteenth President of the United States,=

> > was born in Franklin County, Pennsylvania. His father, of the same name=
,
> > was an Irishman who had eight years before emigrated from Donegal, and
> > had become a well-to-do farmer."
> >
> =

> If you would have read further into James Buchanan's background you would=

> have noted three things in support of my position:
> =

> 1. County Donegal, although today anomalously in the Irish Republic, is
> historically a part of Ulster, the part of Ireland which, since the 17th
> century, has had a significant 'imported' Protestant Scotch (=3D
> Scotch-Irish) population. It is one of the three counties of historical
> Ulster,. the other two being Cavan and Monaghan, which did not become par=
t
> of 'Northern Ireland' when the island was partitioned.
> =

> 2. The Buchanan clan is historically Scotch, not Irish.
> =

> 3. James Buchanan was raised as a Presbyterian, a Protestant sect
> traditionally associated with Scotland, not Ireland.
> =

> Thus, James Buchanan was not an Irishman in the sense that John Kennedy
> was, but rather one of the many American presidents of *Protestant
> Scotch-Irish* stock.
> =



Your are the one who stated in message =


holman-2708561441040001@eng18.pc.helsinki.fi

that

"The most important racist organiation, the Ku Klux Klan, has =

traditionally adhered to a definition of 'White' which excludes Jews, =

Catholics, Eastern and Southern Europeans, people whose native or =

ancestral language is not English, German, Dutch, or Scandinavian, as =

well as Celts. Even though the United States has had fifty presidential =

elections, the number of presidential and vice-presidential candidates =

fielded by the major parties that have not been 'White' in the above =

sense can be counted on one hand...."

I think that the Scots qualify as Celts if the Irish do. You said the =

definition of White used by the supposed racist elite in the United =

States "excludes... Celts."

I say that even if we had only the evidence you presented here in this =

newsgroup that your theory would have to be judged as preposterous. After =

all, the 'Anglo-Saxon establishment' failed to prevent the nomination of =

a Greek-American as the presidential candidate of the nation's largest =

political party in 1988; it failed to prevent the nomination and election =

of a Greek-American as Vice President in 1968; it failed to prevent the =

nomination of an Italian-American as vice presidential candidate of the =

nation's largest political party in 1984; it failed to prevent the =

nomination of a Catholic as the presidential candidate of the nation's =

largest political party in 1928; it failed to prevent the nomination and =

election of a man whose last name ended with "y" as Vice President of the =

United States in 1964 and the further nomination of the same man for the =

office of President in 1968 by the largest political party in the United =

States; and it failed to prevent the nomination and election of a =

Catholic as President of the United States in 1960.

Some establishment.



=2E..
> >
> > I have never heard of anyone, even the U.S. government, categorizing a
> > Finn as "Hispanic."
> =

> Raimo Anttila (whose name is frequently 'corrected' by the authorities to=

> to *Antilla*) , a professor at UCLA, can tell you stories bordering on th=
e
> aburd about his being constantly reclassified as Hispanic - solely on the=

> basis of the
> shape his name - by various government bureaucracies, despite his vehemen=
t
> protests. As perverse as it sounds, I would suspect that school officials=

> and the like mark his children as 'Hispanic', despite his protests and
> corrections, in order to doctor statistics and perhaps receive extra
> funding. From the standpoint of many government programs in southern
> California an Hispanic child is 'more valuable' than a majority child, an=
d
> who would ever go to the trouble of investigating whether 'Hispanic' Raim=
o
> Antilla is really the Finn Raimo Anttila... So, it can, and does, happen.=

> I have no doubt that Finns with names like Maria Voipio, Marina Louhos,
> Esa Rantala, or Risto Salama, all quite mundane Finnish names, living in
> an area of the US with a large number of Spanish speakers, would quickly
> and constantly be finding themselves reclassified as Hispanic on the basi=
s
> of their names.
> =


Very funny story.

But mistaking or purposely misclassifying a Finn as an "Hispanic" is =

quite different from stating that Finns are Hispanic.



> > I heartily agree that this term, not reflecting a
> > true racial category, should be discarded in its present sense. It may =
be
> > useful as a synonym for "exclsuively-Spanish-descended," however; in
> > which case it should only apply to a certain variety of White person.
> >
> =

> Well, at least we 'heartily agree' on something.
> =



What fun!



> Unlike you, however, I know from personal experience that many 'White'
> people in the United States, and some northern Europeans as well, are not=

> always willing to regard the more olive or swarthy-skinned Mediterranean
> and Levantine Europeans as 'White'.


And some Mediterranean Whites might disparage the Scots or the Finns as =

bleached-out barbarians who can't hold their liquor, hardly qualified to =

be called cultured Europeans. But such sentiments are rare in my =

experience. Nearly all White racial organizations, and nearly all racial =

legislation enacted in the Old America, refer to European Whites without =

national or subracial qualifications.

With all good wishes,

-- =



Kevin Alfred Strom

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Christopher Henrik Lund wrote:
> 
> In article <4vd6l8$ac3@molokini.conterra.com>, bob whitaker  writes:
....
> >     Genocide applied to my race is still genocide.
> 
> And what "race" is that, bobby?
> 
>         C. Lund, Oslo   http://www.ifi.uio.no/~christop/shame.html


Here the self-styled "anti-racists" are showing their true colors. Bob, 
genocide _can't_ be committed against White people -- since the White 
race doesn't exist.


christop@ifi.uio.no (Christopher Henrik Lund) also wrote:
>
>One *very* good reason to put quotation marks around the word "white", 
>when used to describe people, is that there is no clear boundry between 
>"white" and "nonwhite". In other words, the term is used arbitrarily. 
>Even those idiot "white power" activists are incapable of giving a good 
>definition of "white". Thus the quotation marks. The same applies to the 
>word "black", btw.


If we depart, for a moment, from the emotional area of human subspecies, 
and discuss merely the _colors_ black and white, we can easily see the 
transparent preposterousness of your statement.

Since there is no sharp dividing line between black and white -- or 
indeed between green and red, or indigo and infrared for that matter -- 
then we ought to put the names of all colors in quotation marks. 
Furthermore, since there is no sharp dividing line between the colors, 
colors really do not exist at all and no decisions whatever can be made 
based upon the alleged "color" of any object.

There exists a chemical waste dump. The chemical waste dump grades 
imperceptibly into a mountain stream. The mountain stream grades 
imperceptibly into a river. The river grades imperceptibly into the 
Mississippi. The Mississippi grades imperceptibly into the Gulf of 
Mexico. The Gulf of Mexico grades imperceptibly into the Atlantic Ocean. 
So all liquid is equal; streams, rivers, gulfs, and oceans don't exist; 
and there is no difference between the Atlantic Ocean and a chemical 
waste dump.

The "liberals" have no trouble defining races when it comes to handing 
out other people's money, but they make much of their imagined inability 
to define the White race.

The real definition of a race or people is the definition used by that 
people. A people consisting of members who believe in "equality" and the 
nonexistence of races will, thankfully, soon cease to exist. It really is 
a wonderful world.

But it is no more difficult to define the White race than it is to define 
the Atlantic Ocean, though there will always be trivial exceptions to any 
definition.

The White race consists of the descendants of those people who replaced 
the Neanderthals in Europe and surrounding territories, and who did not 
mix with other races subsequently. This would encompass the founding 
stock of all European nationalities, as well as those of the same race 
who have occupied other territories.

But Mr. Whitaker's definition is more pithy -- the White race consists of 
the people against whom the genocidal "equality" campaign is now 
directed.

With good wishes for Labor Day,

-- 


Kevin Alfred Strom

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From: Kevin Alfred Strom 
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Subject: Re: Putting Quotations Around "White", Another DUHH! Tactic
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Christopher Henrik Lund wrote:
> 
> In article <4vd6l8$ac3@molokini.conterra.com>, bob whitaker  writes:
....
> >     Genocide applied to my race is still genocide.
> 
> And what "race" is that, bobby?
> 
>         C. Lund, Oslo   http://www.ifi.uio.no/~christop/shame.html


Here the self-styled "anti-racists" are showing their true colors. Bob, 
genocide _can't_ be committed against White people -- since the White 
race doesn't exist.


christop@ifi.uio.no (Christopher Henrik Lund) also wrote:
>
>One *very* good reason to put quotation marks around the word "white", 
>when used to describe people, is that there is no clear boundry between 
>"white" and "nonwhite". In other words, the term is used arbitrarily. 
>Even those idiot "white power" activists are incapable of giving a good 
>definition of "white". Thus the quotation marks. The same applies to the 
>word "black", btw.


If we depart, for a moment, from the emotional area of human subspecies, 
and discuss merely the _colors_ black and white, we can easily see the 
transparent preposterousness of your statement.

Since there is no sharp dividing line between black and white -- or 
indeed between green and red, or indigo and infrared for that matter -- 
then we ought to put the names of all colors in quotation marks. 
Furthermore, since there is no sharp dividing line between the colors, 
colors really do not exist at all and no decisions whatever can be made 
based upon the alleged "color" of any object.

There exists a chemical waste dump. The chemical waste dump grades 
imperceptibly into a mountain stream. The mountain stream grades 
imperceptibly into a river. The river grades imperceptibly into the 
Mississippi. The Mississippi grades imperceptibly into the Gulf of 
Mexico. The Gulf of Mexico grades imperceptibly into the Atlantic Ocean. 
So all liquid is equal; streams, rivers, gulfs, and oceans don't exist; 
and there is no difference between the Atlantic Ocean and a chemical 
waste dump.

The "liberals" have no trouble defining races when it comes to handing 
out other people's money, but they make much of their imagined inability 
to define the White race.

The real definition of a race or people is the definition used by that 
people. A people consisting of members who believe in "equality" and the 
nonexistence of races will, thankfully, soon cease to exist. It really is 
a wonderful world.

But it is no more difficult to define the White race than it is to define 
the Atlantic Ocean, though there will always be trivial exceptions to any 
definition.

The White race consists of the descendants of those people who replaced 
the Neanderthals in Europe and surrounding territories, and who did not 
mix with other races subsequently. This would encompass the founding 
stock of all European nationalities, as well as those of the same race 
who have occupied other territories.

But Mr. Whitaker's definition is more pithy -- the White race consists of 
the people against whom the genocidal "equality" campaign is now 
directed.

With good wishes for Labor Day,

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From ka_strom@ix.netcom.com Fri Aug 23 07:32:33 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Putting Quotations Around "White", Another DUHH! Tactic
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Laura Finsten wrote to Bob Whitaker:
> ...
> 
> I see that my point escaped you.  You have said elsewhere that
> you don't have any anomosity toward "non-whites", and you do
> not consider them to be your enemy.  Your use of the word
> "turncoat" to describe people who don't share you views, though,
> suggests that you do indeed view "whites" who disagree with you
> as siding with the enemy - "non-whites".  In other words, your
> choice of words here suggests that what you have said elsewhere
> is not the whole truth and not nothing but the truth.
> ...


Ridiculous. The set "anti-Whites" overlaps both sets "Whites" and 
"non-Whites." This is implicit in Mr. Whitaker's statement.

Therefore, a "White turncoat" is one who joins the anti-Whites. Nowhere 
has Mr. Whitaker stated that all non-Whites are anti-White.



Happy Labor Day,


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From ka_strom@ix.netcom.com Fri Aug 23 07:32:34 PDT 1996
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Sam Laldin wrote:
> ...
> 
> get a brain and recognize sarcasm when you read it.  your ignorance in not
> realize when your argument is unsubstantiated only further your portrait
> of stupidity of holding fast to your beliefs in light of information that
> disprove said beliefs.
> ...


I hereby nominate the second sentence, if it is a sentence, quoted above 
as the most unintelligible in alt.politics.white-power this week.

With happy Labor Day wishes,

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Laura Finsten wrote to Bob Whitaker:
> ...
> 
> I see that my point escaped you.  You have said elsewhere that
> you don't have any anomosity toward "non-whites", and you do
> not consider them to be your enemy.  Your use of the word
> "turncoat" to describe people who don't share you views, though,
> suggests that you do indeed view "whites" who disagree with you
> as siding with the enemy - "non-whites".  In other words, your
> choice of words here suggests that what you have said elsewhere
> is not the whole truth and not nothing but the truth.
> ...


Ridiculous. The set "anti-Whites" overlaps both sets "Whites" and 
"non-Whites." This is implicit in Mr. Whitaker's statement.

Therefore, a "White turncoat" is one who joins the anti-Whites. Nowhere 
has Mr. Whitaker stated that all non-Whites are anti-White.



Happy Labor Day,


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Sam Laldin wrote:
> ...
> 
> get a brain and recognize sarcasm when you read it.  your ignorance in not
> realize when your argument is unsubstantiated only further your portrait
> of stupidity of holding fast to your beliefs in light of information that
> disprove said beliefs.
> ...


I hereby nominate the second sentence, if it is a sentence, quoted above 
as the most unintelligible in alt.politics.white-power this week.

With happy Labor Day wishes,

-- 


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Ursus Major wrote:
> ...
> 
> Here comes the Sewer Leak and spells it out:
> 
> JEWS ARE NOT GERMANS;
> 
> therefore, they are an ALIEN NATIONALITY
> AND NOT A RELIGION AT ALL! RANDY ANDY AGREES 100% WITH THE NAZIS!...
> Trying to make Jews look odious and vile, with his moronic postings:
> Mozart's a drunk! MOZART: THE VOICE OF GOD! Ol' fecal-fingers has been
> exposed for what he is, an agent-provocatuer, attempting to defile the
> 
> Jews by making them appear irrational, venom-spewing vermin.
> ...


I too have often wondered at the utility of Andrew Mathis to his 
professed Jewish cause.

After all, he openly advocates the killing, rape, torture, and 
imprisonment of those with whome he disagrees, and his posts often 
consist of obscene one-liners tacked on the end of long documents with 
which he purportedly disagrees. He may indeed be influencing readers to 
consider again the merits of a case made so poorly, and with such obvious 
calls to violence and other methods of "silencing" his putative 
opposition he is not likely to attract many to his side.

But I disagree with you when you state that the strongest case for Mr. 
Mathis's not being what he claims is his statement that "Jews are not 
Germans."

This is just simple fact; stones are not oceans; women are not men; and 
lice are not horses. The fact that Mr. Mathis and the German government 
of the 1930s agree on this merely indicates that both can see what exists 
in the real world far better than the brain-dead blankoes who insist that 
a nationality consists of all arguably human beings presently aspirating 
within certain latitudinal and longitudinal limits.

With good wishes,

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Ursus Major wrote:
> ...
> 
> Here comes the Sewer Leak and spells it out:
> 
> JEWS ARE NOT GERMANS;
> 
> therefore, they are an ALIEN NATIONALITY
> AND NOT A RELIGION AT ALL! RANDY ANDY AGREES 100% WITH THE NAZIS!...
> Trying to make Jews look odious and vile, with his moronic postings:
> Mozart's a drunk! MOZART: THE VOICE OF GOD! Ol' fecal-fingers has been
> exposed for what he is, an agent-provocatuer, attempting to defile the
> 
> Jews by making them appear irrational, venom-spewing vermin.
> ...


I too have often wondered at the utility of Andrew Mathis to his 
professed Jewish cause.

After all, he openly advocates the killing, rape, torture, and 
imprisonment of those with whome he disagrees, and his posts often 
consist of obscene one-liners tacked on the end of long documents with 
which he purportedly disagrees. He may indeed be influencing readers to 
consider again the merits of a case made so poorly, and with such obvious 
calls to violence and other methods of "silencing" his putative 
opposition he is not likely to attract many to his side.

But I disagree with you when you state that the strongest case for Mr. 
Mathis's not being what he claims is his statement that "Jews are not 
Germans."

This is just simple fact; stones are not oceans; women are not men; and 
lice are not horses. The fact that Mr. Mathis and the German government 
of the 1930s agree on this merely indicates that both can see what exists 
in the real world far better than the brain-dead blankoes who insist that 
a nationality consists of all arguably human beings presently aspirating 
within certain latitudinal and longitudinal limits.

With good wishes,

-- 


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From: Kevin Alfred Strom 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.jg-brown-bot
Subject: Re: Putting Quotations Around "White", Another DUHH! Tactic
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Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
> =

> In article <4vgdrl$730@basement.replay.com>, Cowardly Ol' Frank Weltner,
> still cowering behind his bogus "nobody@REPLAY.COM (Anonymous)" ID, wrote=
:
> =

> > Coffee cannot be defined either. Yet we know it when we see it and
> > taste of it.
> =

> More of the patented Weltner bullshit...
> =

> From _The American Heritage Dictionary_, third edition:
> =

> cof-fee, n.
> 1.a. Any of various tropical African shrubs or trees of the genus Coffea,=

> especially C. arabica, widely cultivated in the tropics for their seeds
> that are dried, roasted, and ground to prepare a stimulating, aromatic
> drink. b. The beanlike seeds of this plant, enclosed within a pulpy fruit=
=2E
> c. The beverage prepared from the seeds of this plant.
> 2. Color. A moderate brown to dark brown or dark grayish brown.
> 3. An informal social gathering at which coffee and other refreshments ar=
e
> served.
> =8Battributive.
> Often used to modify another noun.
> =

> Now, shall we define "baloney", Weltner?
> =

> JGB...

Gee, Jeffrey, can we all play this game?

>From  _Funk and Wagnalls Standard College Dictionary_:

   white race, n. The Caucasoid ethnic division of mankind.


>From  _Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary_:

   white, adj., 2. being a member of a group or race characterized by =

reduced pigmentation and usu. specif. distinguished from persons =

belonging to groups marked by black, brown, yellow or red skin =

coloration.

I have several more dictionaries, would you like to see definitions from =

them, too?

Obviously, the point Anonymous was making was that the standards demanded =

for a definition of White by anti-racists would make most anything =

undefinable. But irony is lost on the jg-brown-bot.

If its focus was on "fighting" coffee drinkers instead of "racists," it =

would demand to know at exactly what percentage of cream caf=E9-au-lait =

becomes lait-au-caf=E9. But the coffee drinkers' loss is our gain. It =

really is a wonderful world.

Happy Labor Day,

-- =



Kevin Alfred Strom

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From ka_strom@ix.netcom.com Fri Aug 23 17:05:50 PDT 1996
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From: Kevin Alfred Strom 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.discrimination,alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white
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Rich Graves wrote:
> 
> What it means to be American
> 
> I had flown from San Francisco to Norfolk and was riding in a taxi to my
> hotel to attend a conference on multiculturalism. Hundreds of educators
> from across the country were meeting to discuss the need for greater
> cultural diversity in the curriculum. My driver and I chatted about the
> weather and the tourists. The sky was cloudy, and Virginia Beach was
> twenty minutes away. The rearview mirror reflected a white man in his
> forties. "How long have you been in this country?" he asked. "All my
> life," I replied, wincing, "I was born in the United States." With a
> strong southern drawl, he remarked: I was wondering because your English
> is excellent!" Then, as i had many times before, I explained: "My
> grandfather came here from Japan in the 1880s. My family has been here, in
> America, for over a hundred years." He glanced at me in the mirror.
> Somehow I did not look "American" to him; my eyes and complexion looked
> foreign.
> 
> Suddenly, we both became uncomfortably conscious of a racial divide
> separating us. An awkward silence turned my gaze from the mirror to the
> passing landscape, the shore where the English and the Powhatan Indians
> first encountered each other. Our highway was on land that Sir Walter
> Raleigh had renamed "Virginia" in honor of Elizabeth I, the Virgin Queen.
> In the English cultural appropriation of America, the indigenous peoples
> themselves would become outsiders in their native land. Here, at the
> eastern edge of the continent, I mused, was the site of the beginning of
> multicultural America. Jamestown, the English settlement founded in 1607,
> was nearby: the first twenty Africans were brought here a year before the
> Pilgrims arrived at Plymouth Rock. Several hundred miles offshore was
> Bermuda, the "Bermoothes" where William Shakespeare's Prospero had landed
> and met the native Caliban in _The Tempest_. Earlier, another voyager had
> made an Atlantic crossing and unexpectedly bumped into some islands to the
> south. Thinking he had reached Asia, Christopher Columbus mistakenly
> identified one of the islands as "Cipongo" (Japan). In the wake of the
> admiral, many peoples would come to America from different shores, not
> only from Europe but also Africa and Asia. One of them would be my
> grandfather. My mental wandering across terrain and time ended abruptly as
> we arrived at my destination. I said good-bye to my driver and went into
> the hotel, carrying a vivid reminder of why I was attending this
> conference.
> 
> From Ronald Takaki, *A Different Mirror*. Boston: Little, Brown and
> Company, 1993. Pages 1-2.
> 
> [Since I'm not a racist troller like Duncan, I don't feel the need to ape
> his "style" *perfectly*, so unlike him, I'll add some personal comments
> and participate in followup discussion in appropriate groups (followups
> set). My grandmother's family immigrated, illegally, from Italy to Canada
> in 1913, 33 years after Takaki's reached these shores, and then to San
> Francisco in 1923. My family's right to be here has never been questioned.
> My first serious girlfriend in college was from New York. Her family had
> been in the United States for three hundred years. Some idiot called me a
> nigger-lover, which I suppose I was. My last serious girlfriend immigrated
> from Czechoslovakia to the United States in 1980. She became a naturalized
> citizen in 1994. Her right to be here has never been questioned. With her
> accent mostly gone now, everybody just assumes she's an American.]
> 
> -rich...


All this proves -- and thank you for posting it by the way -- is that the 
instinctive definition of membership in a nation is _perceived genetic 
similarity_. "Laws" and other spots of ink on paper matter little in 
comparison.

This feeling of racial kinship, which does not need to be taught and 
which can felt after just a glance, exists at a very deep level and can 
only be imperfectly eradicated by a lifetime of re-education -- a process 
which must be repeated by the empire's schools and networks for each 
generation and which may break down completely in times of crisis.

So we may be confident that the artificial construct of multiracial 
"America" will, as "India" already has several times in this century 
alone, give birth to new nations as the genetic truth of Race reasserts 
itself on this continent.

May those nations prosper.

With all good wishes,


-- 


Kevin Alfred Strom

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                  http://www.natall.com/


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Rich Graves wrote:
> 
> What it means to be American
> 
> I had flown from San Francisco to Norfolk and was riding in a taxi to my
> hotel to attend a conference on multiculturalism. Hundreds of educators
> from across the country were meeting to discuss the need for greater
> cultural diversity in the curriculum. My driver and I chatted about the
> weather and the tourists. The sky was cloudy, and Virginia Beach was
> twenty minutes away. The rearview mirror reflected a white man in his
> forties. "How long have you been in this country?" he asked. "All my
> life," I replied, wincing, "I was born in the United States." With a
> strong southern drawl, he remarked: I was wondering because your English
> is excellent!" Then, as i had many times before, I explained: "My
> grandfather came here from Japan in the 1880s. My family has been here, in
> America, for over a hundred years." He glanced at me in the mirror.
> Somehow I did not look "American" to him; my eyes and complexion looked
> foreign.
> 
> Suddenly, we both became uncomfortably conscious of a racial divide
> separating us. An awkward silence turned my gaze from the mirror to the
> passing landscape, the shore where the English and the Powhatan Indians
> first encountered each other. Our highway was on land that Sir Walter
> Raleigh had renamed "Virginia" in honor of Elizabeth I, the Virgin Queen.
> In the English cultural appropriation of America, the indigenous peoples
> themselves would become outsiders in their native land. Here, at the
> eastern edge of the continent, I mused, was the site of the beginning of
> multicultural America. Jamestown, the English settlement founded in 1607,
> was nearby: the first twenty Africans were brought here a year before the
> Pilgrims arrived at Plymouth Rock. Several hundred miles offshore was
> Bermuda, the "Bermoothes" where William Shakespeare's Prospero had landed
> and met the native Caliban in _The Tempest_. Earlier, another voyager had
> made an Atlantic crossing and unexpectedly bumped into some islands to the
> south. Thinking he had reached Asia, Christopher Columbus mistakenly
> identified one of the islands as "Cipongo" (Japan). In the wake of the
> admiral, many peoples would come to America from different shores, not
> only from Europe but also Africa and Asia. One of them would be my
> grandfather. My mental wandering across terrain and time ended abruptly as
> we arrived at my destination. I said good-bye to my driver and went into
> the hotel, carrying a vivid reminder of why I was attending this
> conference.
> 
> From Ronald Takaki, *A Different Mirror*. Boston: Little, Brown and
> Company, 1993. Pages 1-2.
> 
> [Since I'm not a racist troller like Duncan, I don't feel the need to ape
> his "style" *perfectly*, so unlike him, I'll add some personal comments
> and participate in followup discussion in appropriate groups (followups
> set). My grandmother's family immigrated, illegally, from Italy to Canada
> in 1913, 33 years after Takaki's reached these shores, and then to San
> Francisco in 1923. My family's right to be here has never been questioned.
> My first serious girlfriend in college was from New York. Her family had
> been in the United States for three hundred years. Some idiot called me a
> nigger-lover, which I suppose I was. My last serious girlfriend immigrated
> from Czechoslovakia to the United States in 1980. She became a naturalized
> citizen in 1994. Her right to be here has never been questioned. With her
> accent mostly gone now, everybody just assumes she's an American.]
> 
> -rich...


All this proves -- and thank you for posting it by the way -- is that the 
instinctive definition of membership in a nation is _perceived genetic 
similarity_. "Laws" and other spots of ink on paper matter little in 
comparison.

This feeling of racial kinship, which does not need to be taught and 
which can felt after just a glance, exists at a very deep level and can 
only be imperfectly eradicated by a lifetime of re-education -- a process 
which must be repeated by the empire's schools and networks for each 
generation and which may break down completely in times of crisis.

So we may be confident that the artificial construct of multiracial 
"America" will, as "India" already has several times in this century 
alone, give birth to new nations as the genetic truth of Race reasserts 
itself on this continent.

May those nations prosper.

With all good wishes,


-- 


Kevin Alfred Strom

-----------------------------------------------------------
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                  http://www.natall.com/


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Rich Graves wrote:
> =

> Three generations ago [now it's six - Rich] a brilliant thinker wrote thi=
s
> secret formula for the achievement of world domination. We know very
> little concerning his life. He was a French lawyer named Maurice Joly. He=

> was, at the time he wrote his little book, a conservative, legitimist and=

> monarchist. He had no thought of writing a secret document; on the
> contrary, he had in mind a satire against Napoleon III, then emperor of
> the French. Whether he ever perceived that he was leaving behind him the
> prophecies of a great seer; whether he ever guessed that his book embrace=
d
> a political doctrine of world-shaking force, we do not know....
> =

> In 1868, Herman G=F6dsche, a German signing himself Sir John Retcliffe th=
e
> Younger, wrote a novel entitled *Biarritz*. In it twelve rabbis from all
> corners of the earth meet in the Jewish cemetery in Prague....
> Subsequently this chapter, somewhat revised, was printed in pamphlet form=

> and translated into foreign languages. And now, lo and behold, we have an=

> 'authentic document,' proving the existence of a Jewish world conspiracy.=

> =

> G=F6dsche's text was childish and none too convincing. But suppose you ta=
ke
> these rabbis conspiring in their cemetery and give them the worldly
> wisdom, the contempt for humanity, the seductive power of Joly's tyrant.
> Don't just make them avaricious braggars; make them subtle and crafty:
> make them speak the accursed satirical wisdom of Machiavelli, but in
> deadly earnest; finally, confound the fabulous nocturnal conspiracy with
> an international Jewish congress which actually did convene to discuss
> such sober matters as the problem of emigration. Then we have before us,
> in all bloody romantic horror, the demon of Jewish world domination
> gathered in a congress and fixed in a protocol.
> =

> That is how it happened. The group of Russian conspirators dug up Joly's
> forgotten book; they were also familiar with the horror story about the
> Jewish cemetery in Prague; they knew by the newspapers that in 1897 the
> Jewish Zionist Movement had very publicly been founded at a congress in
> Basel; finally, they knew only too well the golden awe emanating from the=

> ancient fame of the Rothschilds. The ingredients of a magnificent
> conspiracy lay at hand, requiring only to be mixed.
> =

> From Konrad Heider, *Der F=FChrer*, Ralph Manheim, trans. Boston: Houghto=
n
> Mifflin, 1944. Pages 5-9.
> =

> [For more information on the Protocols forgery and some other ancient
> anti-Jewish propaganda, see http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?antisemitism .
> In case your newsreader doesn't like my character set, all "=FC" characte=
rs
> are umlauts, which can be transliterared "ue". Followups set.]
> =

> -rich...

Though I doubt that the _Protocols_ are actually the notes of a meeting =

(the very _form_ of a meeting itself is absent, for example, and further =

it is doubtful that a meeting with such a purpose would have allowed a =

note-taker), they are extremely interesting and should be read by =

everyone seriously interested in the problems of this century.

They also do not show much internal evidence of being forged by =

anti-Bolsheviks, since the Bolshevik aspect of the perceived Jewish =

threat to the old order is hardly emphasized. The documents also claim =

Jewish power lay behind, of all things, "Nietzsche-ism" and evolutionary =

theory. Perhaps these are later interpolations by nutball religionists.

Nevertheless, we must give the author, whoever he was, great insight into =

human nature and how that nature has been manipulated by the media =

elites, Jewish and non-Jewish alike, of the modern "free and democratic" =

states.

With all good wishes,


-- =



Kevin Alfred Strom

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Rich Graves wrote:
> =

> Three generations ago [now it's six - Rich] a brilliant thinker wrote thi=
s
> secret formula for the achievement of world domination. We know very
> little concerning his life. He was a French lawyer named Maurice Joly. He=

> was, at the time he wrote his little book, a conservative, legitimist and=

> monarchist. He had no thought of writing a secret document; on the
> contrary, he had in mind a satire against Napoleon III, then emperor of
> the French. Whether he ever perceived that he was leaving behind him the
> prophecies of a great seer; whether he ever guessed that his book embrace=
d
> a political doctrine of world-shaking force, we do not know....
> =

> In 1868, Herman G=F6dsche, a German signing himself Sir John Retcliffe th=
e
> Younger, wrote a novel entitled *Biarritz*. In it twelve rabbis from all
> corners of the earth meet in the Jewish cemetery in Prague....
> Subsequently this chapter, somewhat revised, was printed in pamphlet form=

> and translated into foreign languages. And now, lo and behold, we have an=

> 'authentic document,' proving the existence of a Jewish world conspiracy.=

> =

> G=F6dsche's text was childish and none too convincing. But suppose you ta=
ke
> these rabbis conspiring in their cemetery and give them the worldly
> wisdom, the contempt for humanity, the seductive power of Joly's tyrant.
> Don't just make them avaricious braggars; make them subtle and crafty:
> make them speak the accursed satirical wisdom of Machiavelli, but in
> deadly earnest; finally, confound the fabulous nocturnal conspiracy with
> an international Jewish congress which actually did convene to discuss
> such sober matters as the problem of emigration. Then we have before us,
> in all bloody romantic horror, the demon of Jewish world domination
> gathered in a congress and fixed in a protocol.
> =

> That is how it happened. The group of Russian conspirators dug up Joly's
> forgotten book; they were also familiar with the horror story about the
> Jewish cemetery in Prague; they knew by the newspapers that in 1897 the
> Jewish Zionist Movement had very publicly been founded at a congress in
> Basel; finally, they knew only too well the golden awe emanating from the=

> ancient fame of the Rothschilds. The ingredients of a magnificent
> conspiracy lay at hand, requiring only to be mixed.
> =

> From Konrad Heider, *Der F=FChrer*, Ralph Manheim, trans. Boston: Houghto=
n
> Mifflin, 1944. Pages 5-9.
> =

> [For more information on the Protocols forgery and some other ancient
> anti-Jewish propaganda, see http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?antisemitism .
> In case your newsreader doesn't like my character set, all "=FC" characte=
rs
> are umlauts, which can be transliterared "ue". Followups set.]
> =

> -rich...

Though I doubt that the _Protocols_ are actually the notes of a meeting =

(the very _form_ of a meeting itself is absent, for example, and further =

it is doubtful that a meeting with such a purpose would have allowed a =

note-taker), they are extremely interesting and should be read by =

everyone seriously interested in the problems of this century.

They also do not show much internal evidence of being forged by =

anti-Bolsheviks, since the Bolshevik aspect of the perceived Jewish =

threat to the old order is hardly emphasized. The documents also claim =

Jewish power lay behind, of all things, "Nietzsche-ism" and evolutionary =

theory. Perhaps these are later interpolations by nutball religionists.

Nevertheless, we must give the author, whoever he was, great insight into =

human nature and how that nature has been manipulated by the media =

elites, Jewish and non-Jewish alike, of the modern "free and democratic" =

states.

With all good wishes,


-- =



Kevin Alfred Strom

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From ka_strom@ix.netcom.com Fri Aug 23 21:26:02 PDT 1996
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Andrew Mathis wrote:
> 
> Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote:
> ...
> 
> >I too have often wondered at the utility of Andrew Mathis to his
> >professed Jewish cause.
> 
> >After all, he openly advocates the killing, rape, torture, and
> >imprisonment of those with whome he disagrees, and his posts often
> >consist of obscene one-liners tacked on the end of long documents with
> >which he purportedly disagrees. He may indeed be influencing readers to
> >consider again the merits of a case made so poorly, and with such obvious
> >calls to violence and other methods of "silencing" his putative
> >opposition he is not likely to attract many to his side.
> 
> Please cite some examples of my advocation of the killing, torture and
> especially the RAPE of my enemies.  Or, for that matter, imprisonment,
> except where they break the law?
> 


Well, here is one small example from a number of weeks ago, in which you 
state that death, imprisonment, and rape would be appropriate for your 
political opponents, and your comments clearly include me:

---begin message by Andrew Mathis---

Subject:      Re: j*wsbriefs # 790, Mathis Loses It
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Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote:

>Andrew Mathis wrote, made-in-Israel calculator near at hand:


>> 
>> Wow, this is REALLY idiotic, even for the Hubers.
>> [irrelevancies snipped]
>> >*********************************************
>> 
>> >May 15, 1996
>> >_American Goes on Trial in Hamburg_
>> 
>> >Gary Rex Lauck is finally getting his day in court. Lauck, a U.S. citizen,
>> 
>> >was taken into custody by Danish police in March 1995 in response to a
>> >German warrant for his arrest and extradited to Germany five months
>> >later
>> >after he exhausted all possibilities for appeal (cf. TWIG 4/7/95, p.2;
>> >9/8/95, p.2). On Thursday (May 9), he went on trial in Hamburg for
>> >incitement to violence and hatred (Volksverhetzung) and 37 other offenses.
>> 
>> He broke German law, he pays the price in Germany.   C'est la vie.
>> 


>So if it is illegal to question Communism in China, but I criticise it 
>anyway, sending anti-Communist literature to my friends in various 
>countries, it would be OK for China to put pressure on a nearby 
>government, have me arrested in say, Singapore, and put me on trial in 
>Beijing for violating Chinese law WHILE I WAS IN THE UNITED STATES?

Gee, quite a poser, Kevvie.  One thing I do know, however, is that if
I was wanted in Northern Europe, I probably wouldn't be s**theaded
enough to go there.

>Some supporter of freedom you are! Some "light to the nations"!

Why is it that those who whine about their freedom the most are those
who would most willingly take it away from others?

>> > The case has attracted widespread
>> >attention
>> >not only because of the person Lauck, but because it illustrates the
>> >differences between the U.S. concept of unrestricted free speech and the
>> >German system, which forbids neo-Nazi propaganda. If sentenced, Lauck
>> >could
>> >face up to five years in a German prison.
>> 
>> Good; I hope some big ugly hun named Gunther takes him up the poop
>> chute.
>> 

>Are you purposely trying to make my case, Andrew? How tolerant and 
>democratic you are, how deeeeply concerned for everyone's human rights 
>and due process you are! I'm really impressed.

Lauck is not human.  He stopped being human the moment he embraced
Hitler.  His life is worth less than nothing to me--neither is yours.

>Are you secretly working for Israel Shahak?

No, and if you knew anything about Shahak, you'd know that most Jews
can't stand him.

>> >************************************************
>> 
>> >Date: Tuesday, 14-May-96 01:24 PM
>> 
>> >I received the following from a reader in Switzerland who took the
>> >information below from a regular news wire.
>> 
>> >". . . Fifty years after the end of the Second World War, a total of 5,
>> >570
>> >cases in which individuals are suspected of having committed crimes
>> >during
>> >the National Socialist regime remain unresolved, Minister of Justice
>> >Edward
>> >Schmidt-Joertzig (FDP) announced in late February at the presentation of
>> >Germany's first national compilation of statistics on the prosecution of
>> >Nazi crimes.
>> 
>> > 'The data show,' Schmidt-Joertzig said, 'that prosecutors still take
>> >the
>> >task of bringing those responsible for the horrendous crimes of the
>> >Hitler
>> >dictatorship to justice seriously. . . '"
>> 
>> >According to this correspondent, Germany has prosecuted 106,178 (!)
>> >persons
>> >since 1945.  6,494 were convicted.  This amounts to a conviction rate of
>> >6.12% (!)  And I would like to add that many were convicted in the
>> >immediate
>> >postwar era when the "eye witness" testimony and affidavits were
>> >massively
>> >faked and could seldom be verified.
>> 
>> You cretins can't even do math.  It's less than 1 percent.
>> 

>Hmmm... 6,494 divided by 106,178 is .06116  ...that _is_ 6.12 per cent., 
>Andrew. What _are_ you smoking? Or is it more "Jewish math" that your 
>race employed so skilfully after 1945? You just gotta believe....!

>You need a rest, Andrew. Really.

Whoops, forgot to carry my decimal point.

>> 
>> >Ingrid
>> 
>> That's Ingrid Rimland of San Diego, CA folks.  I personally exposed
>> her to the ADL and the mainstream press.  She'll never sell a book to
>> a major publisher again.


>You are living proof of everything that I am trying to say about 
>organized Jewry, Andrew. I think you're great. Keep 'em coming!


What, that a women who accepts awards from reputable organizations and
then denies the Holocaust should not be outed as the piece of filth
that she is?  I'm proud of what I did.  PROUD.

>> >********************************************
>> Hasta luego.
>> 
>> -------------------------------------
>> "If they give you ruled paper,
>> Write the other way."
>>                --Ronald Wilson Reagan


More proof that Reaganites are largely racist--the quote, by the way,
is by Juan Ramon Jimenez and is the epigram that opens Ray Bradbury's
tract on Free Speech, Fahrenheit 451.

>With all good wishes to everyone, especially Israel Shahak and Andrew 
>Mathis,

May someone send you to hell quickly.
-------------------------------------
"If they give you ruled paper,
Write the other way."
               --Juan Ramon Jimenez

---end forwarded message by Andrew Mathis---

So there you have it. You wish death, imprisonment, and rape for your 
political opponents; and I had actually forgotten to mention your 
approval of imprisoning people for their political statements and your 
clear implication that the ADL controls who can be published by major 
publishing houses.

I have further examples if anyone is interested.



> You, Kevin, serve a despicable excuse for a human being, carrying
> forth the cause of Adolf Hitler in my country.  For this, you AND Dr.
> Twitchy should rightfully be tried for sedition and/or treason.
> 
> Andrew Mathis
> ...


There you go again, Andrew. You make my case better than anything I could 
say!

With happy Labor Day wishes to all,

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Rich Graves wrote:
> ...
> 
> Many of us would like to feel that colleges should show more civility than
> the workaday world. At the same time, it should be borne in mind that most
> undergraduates are teenagers, not a group notable for tact or immune from
> displays of bravado. They are at an age where they try to impress one
> another, often with heavy-handed humor and ill-considered pranks. There
> are still plenty of beer brawls, especially along fraternity row. While
> undergraduates often express liberal sentiments on social issues, many
> come to college never having known black people their age. Nor should this
> be surprising, since most attended schools that were almost or wholly
> white, or where the races tended to go their own ways....
> 


Terrible thing, races going their own ways... why do they all keep doing 
that despite our "best efforts"? Maybe it's something instinctual.



> Black students are frequently berated for sticking close together,
> especially at campus dining tables. Whites who talk this way seldom think
> about how they too have a circle of white companions. Indeed, they almost
> invariably sit at "white tables." But, it may be replied, there are many
> kinds of white people, and white students select their friends on the
> basis of shared temperaments or interests, not simply because they belong
> to one's own race. If white students cared to look, they would see that
> blacks do not simply sit down alongside any other blacks. They also have
> preferences based on outlooks and affinities....
> 


There they go again, segregating themselves! Funny how differences in 
"attitudes and affinities" tend to parallel differences in race.

Could it be the races are different in many ways besides skin color?



> And why an apparent upsurge in "ethnoviolence"? Here the attitudes of
> white students need to be examined. To start, they no longer dominate the
> college world as they did in the past. As was noted earlier, at UCLA the
> Asian freshmen now surpass the white percentage....
> 
> Bigoted behavior among white students also comes as a reaction to the more
> assertive attitudes of some black classmates. To describe the interchange
> this way is not meant to justify white calumnies. Still, if we want to
> know why students put up Confederate flags or set fire to crosses, one
> explanation is that these are ways of telling black undergraduates that
> they have been making themselves too pronounced a campus presence. While
> no one says so explicitly, many white students still believe that blacks
> should be grateful simply for having been admitted, and that they have no
> business criticizing the structure or the system.
> 
> From Andrew Hacker, *Two Nations: black and white, separate, hostile,
> unequal*. New York: Ballantine, 1992.
> 
> -rich
>  http://www.c2.org/~rich/


Forced association between the races is the primary cause of racial 
conflict, and this conflict has a way of destroying nations which attempt 
multiracialism. Racial separatism is the answer to these problems, but 
the new post-WWII moral paradigm will not permit it.

Happy Labor Day,

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Rich Graves wrote:
> 
> Orwell: Shooting an Elephant [1936]
> 
> But at that moment I glanced round at the crowd that had followed me. It
> was an immense crowd, two thousand at the least and growing every minute.
> It blocked the road for a long distance on either side. I looked at the
> sea of yellow faces above the garish clothes -- faces all happy and
> excited over this bit of fun, all certain that the elephant was going to
> be shot. They were watching me as they would watch a conjurer about to
> perform a trick. They did not like me, but with the magical rifle in my
> hands I was momentarily worth watching. And suddenly I realized that I
> should have to shoot the elephant after all. The people expected it of me
> and I had got to do it; I could feel theit two thousand wills pressing me
> forward, irresistibly. And it was at this moment, as I stood there with
> the rifle in my hands, that I first grasped the hollowness, the futility
> of the white man's dominion in the East. Here was I, the white man with
> his gun, standing in front of the unarmed native crowd -- seemingly the
> leading actor of the piece; but in reality I was only an absurd puppet
> pushed to and fro by the will of those yellow faces bethind. I perceived
> in this moment that when the white man turns tyrant it is his own freedom
> that he destroys. He becomes a sort of hollow, posing dummy, the
> conventionalized figure of a sahib. For it is the condition of his rule
> that he shall spend his life in trying to impress the "natives," and so in
> every crisis he has got to do what the "natives" expect of him. He wears a
> mask, and his face grows to fit it. I had got to shoot the elephant. I had
> committed myself to doing it when I sent for the rifle. A sahib has got to
> act like a sahib; he has got to appear resolute, to know his own mind and
> do definite things. To come all that way, rifle in hand, with two thousand
> people marching at my heels, and then to trail feebly away, having done
> nothing -- no, that was impossible. The crowd would laugh at me. And my
> whole life, every white man's life in the East, was one long struggle not
> to be laughed at.
> 
> But I did not want to shoot the elephant.
> 
> From George Orwell, "Shooting an Elephant," in *A Collection of Essays by
> George Orwell*. New York: Harcourt Brace Jovanovich, 1981. Pages 152-153.
> 
> [Duncan, I'll stop this silly trolling if you will. Followups set
> appropriately.]
> 
> -rich
>  http://www.c2.org/~rich/



Orwell's essay is a superb indictment of the colonialist mentality -- 
which is a variety of the multiracialist mentality. Its opposite is the 
idea of racial separatism.

With all good wishes,

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Andrew Mathis wrote:
> 
> Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote:
> ...
> 
> >I too have often wondered at the utility of Andrew Mathis to his
> >professed Jewish cause.
> 
> >After all, he openly advocates the killing, rape, torture, and
> >imprisonment of those with whome he disagrees, and his posts often
> >consist of obscene one-liners tacked on the end of long documents with
> >which he purportedly disagrees. He may indeed be influencing readers to
> >consider again the merits of a case made so poorly, and with such obvious
> >calls to violence and other methods of "silencing" his putative
> >opposition he is not likely to attract many to his side.
> 
> Please cite some examples of my advocation of the killing, torture and
> especially the RAPE of my enemies.  Or, for that matter, imprisonment,
> except where they break the law?
> 


Well, here is one small example from a number of weeks ago, in which you 
state that death, imprisonment, and rape would be appropriate for your 
political opponents, and your comments clearly include me:

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Subject:      Re: j*wsbriefs # 790, Mathis Loses It
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Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote:

>Andrew Mathis wrote, made-in-Israel calculator near at hand:


>> 
>> Wow, this is REALLY idiotic, even for the Hubers.
>> [irrelevancies snipped]
>> >*********************************************
>> 
>> >May 15, 1996
>> >_American Goes on Trial in Hamburg_
>> 
>> >Gary Rex Lauck is finally getting his day in court. Lauck, a U.S. citizen,
>> 
>> >was taken into custody by Danish police in March 1995 in response to a
>> >German warrant for his arrest and extradited to Germany five months
>> >later
>> >after he exhausted all possibilities for appeal (cf. TWIG 4/7/95, p.2;
>> >9/8/95, p.2). On Thursday (May 9), he went on trial in Hamburg for
>> >incitement to violence and hatred (Volksverhetzung) and 37 other offenses.
>> 
>> He broke German law, he pays the price in Germany.   C'est la vie.
>> 


>So if it is illegal to question Communism in China, but I criticise it 
>anyway, sending anti-Communist literature to my friends in various 
>countries, it would be OK for China to put pressure on a nearby 
>government, have me arrested in say, Singapore, and put me on trial in 
>Beijing for violating Chinese law WHILE I WAS IN THE UNITED STATES?

Gee, quite a poser, Kevvie.  One thing I do know, however, is that if
I was wanted in Northern Europe, I probably wouldn't be s**theaded
enough to go there.

>Some supporter of freedom you are! Some "light to the nations"!

Why is it that those who whine about their freedom the most are those
who would most willingly take it away from others?

>> > The case has attracted widespread
>> >attention
>> >not only because of the person Lauck, but because it illustrates the
>> >differences between the U.S. concept of unrestricted free speech and the
>> >German system, which forbids neo-Nazi propaganda. If sentenced, Lauck
>> >could
>> >face up to five years in a German prison.
>> 
>> Good; I hope some big ugly hun named Gunther takes him up the poop
>> chute.
>> 

>Are you purposely trying to make my case, Andrew? How tolerant and 
>democratic you are, how deeeeply concerned for everyone's human rights 
>and due process you are! I'm really impressed.

Lauck is not human.  He stopped being human the moment he embraced
Hitler.  His life is worth less than nothing to me--neither is yours.

>Are you secretly working for Israel Shahak?

No, and if you knew anything about Shahak, you'd know that most Jews
can't stand him.

>> >************************************************
>> 
>> >Date: Tuesday, 14-May-96 01:24 PM
>> 
>> >I received the following from a reader in Switzerland who took the
>> >information below from a regular news wire.
>> 
>> >". . . Fifty years after the end of the Second World War, a total of 5,
>> >570
>> >cases in which individuals are suspected of having committed crimes
>> >during
>> >the National Socialist regime remain unresolved, Minister of Justice
>> >Edward
>> >Schmidt-Joertzig (FDP) announced in late February at the presentation of
>> >Germany's first national compilation of statistics on the prosecution of
>> >Nazi crimes.
>> 
>> > 'The data show,' Schmidt-Joertzig said, 'that prosecutors still take
>> >the
>> >task of bringing those responsible for the horrendous crimes of the
>> >Hitler
>> >dictatorship to justice seriously. . . '"
>> 
>> >According to this correspondent, Germany has prosecuted 106,178 (!)
>> >persons
>> >since 1945.  6,494 were convicted.  This amounts to a conviction rate of
>> >6.12% (!)  And I would like to add that many were convicted in the
>> >immediate
>> >postwar era when the "eye witness" testimony and affidavits were
>> >massively
>> >faked and could seldom be verified.
>> 
>> You cretins can't even do math.  It's less than 1 percent.
>> 

>Hmmm... 6,494 divided by 106,178 is .06116  ...that _is_ 6.12 per cent., 
>Andrew. What _are_ you smoking? Or is it more "Jewish math" that your 
>race employed so skilfully after 1945? You just gotta believe....!

>You need a rest, Andrew. Really.

Whoops, forgot to carry my decimal point.

>> 
>> >Ingrid
>> 
>> That's Ingrid Rimland of San Diego, CA folks.  I personally exposed
>> her to the ADL and the mainstream press.  She'll never sell a book to
>> a major publisher again.


>You are living proof of everything that I am trying to say about 
>organized Jewry, Andrew. I think you're great. Keep 'em coming!


What, that a women who accepts awards from reputable organizations and
then denies the Holocaust should not be outed as the piece of filth
that she is?  I'm proud of what I did.  PROUD.

>> >********************************************
>> Hasta luego.
>> 
>> -------------------------------------
>> "If they give you ruled paper,
>> Write the other way."
>>                --Ronald Wilson Reagan


More proof that Reaganites are largely racist--the quote, by the way,
is by Juan Ramon Jimenez and is the epigram that opens Ray Bradbury's
tract on Free Speech, Fahrenheit 451.

>With all good wishes to everyone, especially Israel Shahak and Andrew 
>Mathis,

May someone send you to hell quickly.
-------------------------------------
"If they give you ruled paper,
Write the other way."
               --Juan Ramon Jimenez

---end forwarded message by Andrew Mathis---

So there you have it. You wish death, imprisonment, and rape for your 
political opponents; and I had actually forgotten to mention your 
approval of imprisoning people for their political statements and your 
clear implication that the ADL controls who can be published by major 
publishing houses.

I have further examples if anyone is interested.



> You, Kevin, serve a despicable excuse for a human being, carrying
> forth the cause of Adolf Hitler in my country.  For this, you AND Dr.
> Twitchy should rightfully be tried for sedition and/or treason.
> 
> Andrew Mathis
> ...


There you go again, Andrew. You make my case better than anything I could 
say!

With happy Labor Day wishes to all,

-- 


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Andrew Mathis wrote:
> 
> Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote:
> ...
> 
> >I too have often wondered at the utility of Andrew Mathis to his
> >professed Jewish cause.
> 
> >After all, he openly advocates the killing, rape, torture, and
> >imprisonment of those with whome he disagrees, and his posts often
> >consist of obscene one-liners tacked on the end of long documents with
> >which he purportedly disagrees. He may indeed be influencing readers to
> >consider again the merits of a case made so poorly, and with such obvious
> >calls to violence and other methods of "silencing" his putative
> >opposition he is not likely to attract many to his side.
> 
> Please cite some examples of my advocation of the killing, torture and
> especially the RAPE of my enemies.  Or, for that matter, imprisonment,
> except where they break the law?
> 


Well, here is one small example from a number of weeks ago, in which you 
state that death, imprisonment, and rape would be appropriate for your 
political opponents, and your comments clearly include me:

---begin message by Andrew Mathis---

Subject:      Re: j*wsbriefs # 790, Mathis Loses It
From:         fresh@panix.com (Andrew Mathis)
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Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote:

>Andrew Mathis wrote, made-in-Israel calculator near at hand:


>> 
>> Wow, this is REALLY idiotic, even for the Hubers.
>> [irrelevancies snipped]
>> >*********************************************
>> 
>> >May 15, 1996
>> >_American Goes on Trial in Hamburg_
>> 
>> >Gary Rex Lauck is finally getting his day in court. Lauck, a U.S. citizen,
>> 
>> >was taken into custody by Danish police in March 1995 in response to a
>> >German warrant for his arrest and extradited to Germany five months
>> >later
>> >after he exhausted all possibilities for appeal (cf. TWIG 4/7/95, p.2;
>> >9/8/95, p.2). On Thursday (May 9), he went on trial in Hamburg for
>> >incitement to violence and hatred (Volksverhetzung) and 37 other offenses.
>> 
>> He broke German law, he pays the price in Germany.   C'est la vie.
>> 


>So if it is illegal to question Communism in China, but I criticise it 
>anyway, sending anti-Communist literature to my friends in various 
>countries, it would be OK for China to put pressure on a nearby 
>government, have me arrested in say, Singapore, and put me on trial in 
>Beijing for violating Chinese law WHILE I WAS IN THE UNITED STATES?

Gee, quite a poser, Kevvie.  One thing I do know, however, is that if
I was wanted in Northern Europe, I probably wouldn't be s**theaded
enough to go there.

>Some supporter of freedom you are! Some "light to the nations"!

Why is it that those who whine about their freedom the most are those
who would most willingly take it away from others?

>> > The case has attracted widespread
>> >attention
>> >not only because of the person Lauck, but because it illustrates the
>> >differences between the U.S. concept of unrestricted free speech and the
>> >German system, which forbids neo-Nazi propaganda. If sentenced, Lauck
>> >could
>> >face up to five years in a German prison.
>> 
>> Good; I hope some big ugly hun named Gunther takes him up the poop
>> chute.
>> 

>Are you purposely trying to make my case, Andrew? How tolerant and 
>democratic you are, how deeeeply concerned for everyone's human rights 
>and due process you are! I'm really impressed.

Lauck is not human.  He stopped being human the moment he embraced
Hitler.  His life is worth less than nothing to me--neither is yours.

>Are you secretly working for Israel Shahak?

No, and if you knew anything about Shahak, you'd know that most Jews
can't stand him.

>> >************************************************
>> 
>> >Date: Tuesday, 14-May-96 01:24 PM
>> 
>> >I received the following from a reader in Switzerland who took the
>> >information below from a regular news wire.
>> 
>> >". . . Fifty years after the end of the Second World War, a total of 5,
>> >570
>> >cases in which individuals are suspected of having committed crimes
>> >during
>> >the National Socialist regime remain unresolved, Minister of Justice
>> >Edward
>> >Schmidt-Joertzig (FDP) announced in late February at the presentation of
>> >Germany's first national compilation of statistics on the prosecution of
>> >Nazi crimes.
>> 
>> > 'The data show,' Schmidt-Joertzig said, 'that prosecutors still take
>> >the
>> >task of bringing those responsible for the horrendous crimes of the
>> >Hitler
>> >dictatorship to justice seriously. . . '"
>> 
>> >According to this correspondent, Germany has prosecuted 106,178 (!)
>> >persons
>> >since 1945.  6,494 were convicted.  This amounts to a conviction rate of
>> >6.12% (!)  And I would like to add that many were convicted in the
>> >immediate
>> >postwar era when the "eye witness" testimony and affidavits were
>> >massively
>> >faked and could seldom be verified.
>> 
>> You cretins can't even do math.  It's less than 1 percent.
>> 

>Hmmm... 6,494 divided by 106,178 is .06116  ...that _is_ 6.12 per cent., 
>Andrew. What _are_ you smoking? Or is it more "Jewish math" that your 
>race employed so skilfully after 1945? You just gotta believe....!

>You need a rest, Andrew. Really.

Whoops, forgot to carry my decimal point.

>> 
>> >Ingrid
>> 
>> That's Ingrid Rimland of San Diego, CA folks.  I personally exposed
>> her to the ADL and the mainstream press.  She'll never sell a book to
>> a major publisher again.


>You are living proof of everything that I am trying to say about 
>organized Jewry, Andrew. I think you're great. Keep 'em coming!


What, that a women who accepts awards from reputable organizations and
then denies the Holocaust should not be outed as the piece of filth
that she is?  I'm proud of what I did.  PROUD.

>> >********************************************
>> Hasta luego.
>> 
>> -------------------------------------
>> "If they give you ruled paper,
>> Write the other way."
>>                --Ronald Wilson Reagan


More proof that Reaganites are largely racist--the quote, by the way,
is by Juan Ramon Jimenez and is the epigram that opens Ray Bradbury's
tract on Free Speech, Fahrenheit 451.

>With all good wishes to everyone, especially Israel Shahak and Andrew 
>Mathis,

May someone send you to hell quickly.
-------------------------------------
"If they give you ruled paper,
Write the other way."
               --Juan Ramon Jimenez

---end forwarded message by Andrew Mathis---

So there you have it. You wish death, imprisonment, and rape for your 
political opponents; and I had actually forgotten to mention your 
approval of imprisoning people for their political statements and your 
clear implication that the ADL controls who can be published by major 
publishing houses.

I have further examples if anyone is interested.



> You, Kevin, serve a despicable excuse for a human being, carrying
> forth the cause of Adolf Hitler in my country.  For this, you AND Dr.
> Twitchy should rightfully be tried for sedition and/or treason.
> 
> Andrew Mathis
> ...


There you go again, Andrew. You make my case better than anything I could 
say!

With happy Labor Day wishes to all,

-- 


Kevin Alfred Strom

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Subject: Re: Just a little question
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Geoffrey E Brewster wrote:
> 
> I just have a little question for all of the white-power people out
> there.  Many of you spend quite a bit of time trying to prove that blacks
> are inherently inferior to whites.  My point of confusion is this. (And I
> am sure that this is not the first time this has been addressed in this
> group)  If blacks are so inferior, what the hell are you all worried
> about?  It seem to me that you would just be patient and not waste so
> much time and energy on a race of people who you feel has no chance of
> surviving anyway.  Just relax--the strongest will survive.
> 
> --
> 
> ******************************************************************************
> Geoffrey E. Brewster                         Political Science Department
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> 
> Enlighten the people generally, and tyranny and oppressions of body and
> mind will vanish like evil spirits at the dawn of day.
> 
> --Thomas Jefferson, April 24, 1816 in a letter to Du Pont de Nemours


An excellent question, to which the short answer is:

Superiority and inferiority is measured, in the fullness of time, by 
Nature and Destiny, not by men. The Blacks may prove that their fecundity 
and relative solidarity are more important than European frontal-lobe 
advantages.

But I do think it would be a shame if the race which gave us Pericles and 
Shakespeare and Jefferson and the Saturn V rocket to the Moon were to 
pass from the Earth.

Happy Labor Day,

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Subject: Re: Emma Goldman and her "revolution"
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Andy Walton wrote:
> 
> In article <321A5090.6965@ix.netcom.com>, Kevin Alfred Strom
>  wrote:
> 
>   :Goldman was an anarchist at a time when that word meant more than just an
>   :advocacy of no government -- it meant total destruction of the existing
>   :order with a stateless communism being the ultimate and desired result.
>   :She was proud of her popular appelation "Red Emma."
> 
> The anarchism=communism bit was a common theme of political discourse at
> the time, and is still carried on by folks with little or no understanding
> of political philosophy.
> 

Evidently, Emma Goldman must be one of those with "little or no 
understanding of political philosophy," since she herself equated the two 
in no uncertain terms.

I purposely used communism with a lower-case "c" -- because that is 
precisely what Emma Goldman advocated under the murderous bomber's banner 
of anarchism.

Let us review the facts:

Emma Goldman was in favor of the Bolshevik revolution at its inception. 
Later, though disillusioned as to the revolution's actual results, she 
continued to embrace its "vision." This vision entailed the abolition of 
private property and the dissolution of the family unit. In short, this 
vision constituted communism in not too different a flavor from that 
served up by Karl Marx.



>   :Her identification with the Russian revolution and its stated aims is
>   :openly admitted, and her disappointment in the actual results of
>   :Bolshevism -- that is, that it did not lead to stateless communism and
>   :love and peace and harmony and free love and nickel beer -- is perhaps
>   :the only note in her life that strikes a sympathetic chord, assuming one
>   :has sympathy for "well-meaning" persons who hack at others with sharp
>   :knives, hoping to remove an imaginary tumour.
> 
> Anarchism and Marxism, as political philosophies, have a common goal -- a
> world in which people will simply live together, without need for coercive
> government. I'll let you in on a little secret -- radical democracy has
> the same goal, as expressed by its earliest philosophers, most notably
> Thomas Paine.
> 

Anarchism and Marxism and "radical democracy," whatever that is, brothers 
under the skin?

The first two certainly; the last you haven't bothered to define. 

Democracy as I understand it requires whatever governmental institutions 
that the boobs vote for, which will probably be quite considerable and 
notably coercive if the "democracies" of the 20th century are any guide. 
Of course, with a suitable restriction of the franchise these defects can 
be ameliorated.

Persons intelligent enough to devise political philosophies that are 
taken seriously by others are also, in most cases, intelligent enough to 
perceive that the likelihood of a "world in which people will simply live 
together, without need for coercive government" is somewhere between that 
of Christ's return to rule the Earth and Bill Moyers' having an original 
thought.

If they then, on that basis, enlist others in their killing crusade for 
"communism" or "anarchism" or "equality," they mislead their followers. 
If they were honest, they would admit that their purpose was merely to 
kill others and take what those others possessed for themselves.

The question of whether Emma Goldman belonged to the first or second 
group of "utopians" is moot.



> Utopian political philosophers, besides their common goal, share a common
> experience -- the sharp disillusionment of the real world....


Yes, it is _so_ inconvenient that so many people oppose the taking of 
their property, the destruction of their homes, the wrecking and 
appropriation of their churches, the teaching of subversion and 
self-hatred to their children, and the destruction of every institution 
upon which higher civilized life depends. What's sweet Miss Goldman to 
do?



>   :She supported the Red "Loyalist" government in Spain:
>   :
>   :"Goldman thought the Spanish civil war was not only crucial to the
>   :international struggle against fascism, but also a great moment in the
>   :history of Spain and the world. It was in her view the only peasant and
>   :working-class revolution ever to be inspired by anarchist ideals.
> 
> As it turned out, the Spanish civil war was Hitler's opening act. Support
> of the loyalists, for whatever reason, seems prescient in hindsight.
> 


I am not a Catholic and I disagree with that church on many issues, but 
the wanton slaughter of priests, nuns, and loyal parishoners by the 
Communists in Spain -- and they were slaughtered in many cases merely 
because they were priests or nuns -- is revolting beyond description.

I suggest you read _The Red Domination in Spain_, Afrodisio Aguado, 
Madrid, 1946. Page upon page upon page of photographs of the "loyalists" 
and their often obscenely mutilated victims... the "loyalists" 
desecrating churches... the abused bodies of the murdered churchmen...  
the "loyalists" meeting under giant posters of Lenin and Stalin... with a 
10-story-high hammer and sickle towering over the streets of Barcelona... 
the "Marxist Militia" and Red Army marching through the streets of 
Madrid... the leader of the Red Army and the "Minister of Public 
Instruction" and a Red Army "Political Commissary" exchanging the 
clenched-fist Communist salute. It goes on for over 400 pages. This was 
what Goldman described as a "great moment in the history of Spain and 
the world."

"Prescient" indeed. "Anarchist" indeed. "Utopian" indeed.


-- 


Kevin Alfred Strom

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From ka_strom@ix.netcom.com Sat Aug 24 10:06:52 PDT 1996
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Andrew Mathis wrote:
> 
> Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote:
> ...
> 
> >I too have often wondered at the utility of Andrew Mathis to his
> >professed Jewish cause.
> 
> >After all, he openly advocates the killing, rape, torture, and
> >imprisonment of those with whome he disagrees, and his posts often
> >consist of obscene one-liners tacked on the end of long documents with
> >which he purportedly disagrees. He may indeed be influencing readers to
> >consider again the merits of a case made so poorly, and with such obvious
> >calls to violence and other methods of "silencing" his putative
> >opposition he is not likely to attract many to his side.
> 
> Please cite some examples of my advocation of the killing, torture and
> especially the RAPE of my enemies.  Or, for that matter, imprisonment,
> except where they break the law?
> 


Well, here is one small example from a number of weeks ago, in which you 
state that death, imprisonment, and rape would be appropriate for your 
political opponents, and your comments clearly include me:

---begin message by Andrew Mathis---

Subject:      Re: j*wsbriefs # 790, Mathis Loses It
From:         fresh@panix.com (Andrew Mathis)
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Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote:

>Andrew Mathis wrote, made-in-Israel calculator near at hand:


>> 
>> Wow, this is REALLY idiotic, even for the Hubers.
>> [irrelevancies snipped]
>> >*********************************************
>> 
>> >May 15, 1996
>> >_American Goes on Trial in Hamburg_
>> 
>> >Gary Rex Lauck is finally getting his day in court. Lauck, a U.S. citizen,
>> 
>> >was taken into custody by Danish police in March 1995 in response to a
>> >German warrant for his arrest and extradited to Germany five months
>> >later
>> >after he exhausted all possibilities for appeal (cf. TWIG 4/7/95, p.2;
>> >9/8/95, p.2). On Thursday (May 9), he went on trial in Hamburg for
>> >incitement to violence and hatred (Volksverhetzung) and 37 other offenses.
>> 
>> He broke German law, he pays the price in Germany.   C'est la vie.
>> 


>So if it is illegal to question Communism in China, but I criticise it 
>anyway, sending anti-Communist literature to my friends in various 
>countries, it would be OK for China to put pressure on a nearby 
>government, have me arrested in say, Singapore, and put me on trial in 
>Beijing for violating Chinese law WHILE I WAS IN THE UNITED STATES?

Gee, quite a poser, Kevvie.  One thing I do know, however, is that if
I was wanted in Northern Europe, I probably wouldn't be s**theaded
enough to go there.

>Some supporter of freedom you are! Some "light to the nations"!

Why is it that those who whine about their freedom the most are those
who would most willingly take it away from others?

>> > The case has attracted widespread
>> >attention
>> >not only because of the person Lauck, but because it illustrates the
>> >differences between the U.S. concept of unrestricted free speech and the
>> >German system, which forbids neo-Nazi propaganda. If sentenced, Lauck
>> >could
>> >face up to five years in a German prison.
>> 
>> Good; I hope some big ugly hun named Gunther takes him up the poop
>> chute.
>> 

>Are you purposely trying to make my case, Andrew? How tolerant and 
>democratic you are, how deeeeply concerned for everyone's human rights 
>and due process you are! I'm really impressed.

Lauck is not human.  He stopped being human the moment he embraced
Hitler.  His life is worth less than nothing to me--neither is yours.

>Are you secretly working for Israel Shahak?

No, and if you knew anything about Shahak, you'd know that most Jews
can't stand him.

>> >************************************************
>> 
>> >Date: Tuesday, 14-May-96 01:24 PM
>> 
>> >I received the following from a reader in Switzerland who took the
>> >information below from a regular news wire.
>> 
>> >". . . Fifty years after the end of the Second World War, a total of 5,
>> >570
>> >cases in which individuals are suspected of having committed crimes
>> >during
>> >the National Socialist regime remain unresolved, Minister of Justice
>> >Edward
>> >Schmidt-Joertzig (FDP) announced in late February at the presentation of
>> >Germany's first national compilation of statistics on the prosecution of
>> >Nazi crimes.
>> 
>> > 'The data show,' Schmidt-Joertzig said, 'that prosecutors still take
>> >the
>> >task of bringing those responsible for the horrendous crimes of the
>> >Hitler
>> >dictatorship to justice seriously. . . '"
>> 
>> >According to this correspondent, Germany has prosecuted 106,178 (!)
>> >persons
>> >since 1945.  6,494 were convicted.  This amounts to a conviction rate of
>> >6.12% (!)  And I would like to add that many were convicted in the
>> >immediate
>> >postwar era when the "eye witness" testimony and affidavits were
>> >massively
>> >faked and could seldom be verified.
>> 
>> You cretins can't even do math.  It's less than 1 percent.
>> 

>Hmmm... 6,494 divided by 106,178 is .06116  ...that _is_ 6.12 per cent., 
>Andrew. What _are_ you smoking? Or is it more "Jewish math" that your 
>race employed so skilfully after 1945? You just gotta believe....!

>You need a rest, Andrew. Really.

Whoops, forgot to carry my decimal point.

>> 
>> >Ingrid
>> 
>> That's Ingrid Rimland of San Diego, CA folks.  I personally exposed
>> her to the ADL and the mainstream press.  She'll never sell a book to
>> a major publisher again.


>You are living proof of everything that I am trying to say about 
>organized Jewry, Andrew. I think you're great. Keep 'em coming!


What, that a women who accepts awards from reputable organizations and
then denies the Holocaust should not be outed as the piece of filth
that she is?  I'm proud of what I did.  PROUD.

>> >********************************************
>> Hasta luego.
>> 
>> -------------------------------------
>> "If they give you ruled paper,
>> Write the other way."
>>                --Ronald Wilson Reagan


More proof that Reaganites are largely racist--the quote, by the way,
is by Juan Ramon Jimenez and is the epigram that opens Ray Bradbury's
tract on Free Speech, Fahrenheit 451.

>With all good wishes to everyone, especially Israel Shahak and Andrew 
>Mathis,

May someone send you to hell quickly.
-------------------------------------
"If they give you ruled paper,
Write the other way."
               --Juan Ramon Jimenez

---end forwarded message by Andrew Mathis---

So there you have it. You wish death, imprisonment, and rape for your 
political opponents; and I had actually forgotten to mention your 
approval of imprisoning people for their political statements and your 
clear implication that the ADL controls who can be published by major 
publishing houses.

I have further examples if anyone is interested.



> You, Kevin, serve a despicable excuse for a human being, carrying
> forth the cause of Adolf Hitler in my country.  For this, you AND Dr.
> Twitchy should rightfully be tried for sedition and/or treason.
> 
> Andrew Mathis
> ...


There you go again, Andrew. You make my case better than anything I could 
say!

With happy Labor Day wishes to all,

-- 


Kevin Alfred Strom

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Andrew Mathis wrote:
> 
> Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote:
> ...
> 
> >I too have often wondered at the utility of Andrew Mathis to his
> >professed Jewish cause.
> 
> >After all, he openly advocates the killing, rape, torture, and
> >imprisonment of those with whome he disagrees, and his posts often
> >consist of obscene one-liners tacked on the end of long documents with
> >which he purportedly disagrees. He may indeed be influencing readers to
> >consider again the merits of a case made so poorly, and with such obvious
> >calls to violence and other methods of "silencing" his putative
> >opposition he is not likely to attract many to his side.
> 
> Please cite some examples of my advocation of the killing, torture and
> especially the RAPE of my enemies.  Or, for that matter, imprisonment,
> except where they break the law?
> 


Well, here is one small example from a number of weeks ago, in which you 
state that death, imprisonment, and rape would be appropriate for your 
political opponents, and your comments clearly include me:

---begin message by Andrew Mathis---

Subject:      Re: j*wsbriefs # 790, Mathis Loses It
From:         fresh@panix.com (Andrew Mathis)
Date:         1996/05/20
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Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote:

>Andrew Mathis wrote, made-in-Israel calculator near at hand:


>> 
>> Wow, this is REALLY idiotic, even for the Hubers.
>> [irrelevancies snipped]
>> >*********************************************
>> 
>> >May 15, 1996
>> >_American Goes on Trial in Hamburg_
>> 
>> >Gary Rex Lauck is finally getting his day in court. Lauck, a U.S. citizen,
>> 
>> >was taken into custody by Danish police in March 1995 in response to a
>> >German warrant for his arrest and extradited to Germany five months
>> >later
>> >after he exhausted all possibilities for appeal (cf. TWIG 4/7/95, p.2;
>> >9/8/95, p.2). On Thursday (May 9), he went on trial in Hamburg for
>> >incitement to violence and hatred (Volksverhetzung) and 37 other offenses.
>> 
>> He broke German law, he pays the price in Germany.   C'est la vie.
>> 


>So if it is illegal to question Communism in China, but I criticise it 
>anyway, sending anti-Communist literature to my friends in various 
>countries, it would be OK for China to put pressure on a nearby 
>government, have me arrested in say, Singapore, and put me on trial in 
>Beijing for violating Chinese law WHILE I WAS IN THE UNITED STATES?

Gee, quite a poser, Kevvie.  One thing I do know, however, is that if
I was wanted in Northern Europe, I probably wouldn't be s**theaded
enough to go there.

>Some supporter of freedom you are! Some "light to the nations"!

Why is it that those who whine about their freedom the most are those
who would most willingly take it away from others?

>> > The case has attracted widespread
>> >attention
>> >not only because of the person Lauck, but because it illustrates the
>> >differences between the U.S. concept of unrestricted free speech and the
>> >German system, which forbids neo-Nazi propaganda. If sentenced, Lauck
>> >could
>> >face up to five years in a German prison.
>> 
>> Good; I hope some big ugly hun named Gunther takes him up the poop
>> chute.
>> 

>Are you purposely trying to make my case, Andrew? How tolerant and 
>democratic you are, how deeeeply concerned for everyone's human rights 
>and due process you are! I'm really impressed.

Lauck is not human.  He stopped being human the moment he embraced
Hitler.  His life is worth less than nothing to me--neither is yours.

>Are you secretly working for Israel Shahak?

No, and if you knew anything about Shahak, you'd know that most Jews
can't stand him.

>> >************************************************
>> 
>> >Date: Tuesday, 14-May-96 01:24 PM
>> 
>> >I received the following from a reader in Switzerland who took the
>> >information below from a regular news wire.
>> 
>> >". . . Fifty years after the end of the Second World War, a total of 5,
>> >570
>> >cases in which individuals are suspected of having committed crimes
>> >during
>> >the National Socialist regime remain unresolved, Minister of Justice
>> >Edward
>> >Schmidt-Joertzig (FDP) announced in late February at the presentation of
>> >Germany's first national compilation of statistics on the prosecution of
>> >Nazi crimes.
>> 
>> > 'The data show,' Schmidt-Joertzig said, 'that prosecutors still take
>> >the
>> >task of bringing those responsible for the horrendous crimes of the
>> >Hitler
>> >dictatorship to justice seriously. . . '"
>> 
>> >According to this correspondent, Germany has prosecuted 106,178 (!)
>> >persons
>> >since 1945.  6,494 were convicted.  This amounts to a conviction rate of
>> >6.12% (!)  And I would like to add that many were convicted in the
>> >immediate
>> >postwar era when the "eye witness" testimony and affidavits were
>> >massively
>> >faked and could seldom be verified.
>> 
>> You cretins can't even do math.  It's less than 1 percent.
>> 

>Hmmm... 6,494 divided by 106,178 is .06116  ...that _is_ 6.12 per cent., 
>Andrew. What _are_ you smoking? Or is it more "Jewish math" that your 
>race employed so skilfully after 1945? You just gotta believe....!

>You need a rest, Andrew. Really.

Whoops, forgot to carry my decimal point.

>> 
>> >Ingrid
>> 
>> That's Ingrid Rimland of San Diego, CA folks.  I personally exposed
>> her to the ADL and the mainstream press.  She'll never sell a book to
>> a major publisher again.


>You are living proof of everything that I am trying to say about 
>organized Jewry, Andrew. I think you're great. Keep 'em coming!


What, that a women who accepts awards from reputable organizations and
then denies the Holocaust should not be outed as the piece of filth
that she is?  I'm proud of what I did.  PROUD.

>> >********************************************
>> Hasta luego.
>> 
>> -------------------------------------
>> "If they give you ruled paper,
>> Write the other way."
>>                --Ronald Wilson Reagan


More proof that Reaganites are largely racist--the quote, by the way,
is by Juan Ramon Jimenez and is the epigram that opens Ray Bradbury's
tract on Free Speech, Fahrenheit 451.

>With all good wishes to everyone, especially Israel Shahak and Andrew 
>Mathis,

May someone send you to hell quickly.
-------------------------------------
"If they give you ruled paper,
Write the other way."
               --Juan Ramon Jimenez

---end forwarded message by Andrew Mathis---

So there you have it. You wish death, imprisonment, and rape for your 
political opponents; and I had actually forgotten to mention your 
approval of imprisoning people for their political statements and your 
clear implication that the ADL controls who can be published by major 
publishing houses.

I have further examples if anyone is interested.



> You, Kevin, serve a despicable excuse for a human being, carrying
> forth the cause of Adolf Hitler in my country.  For this, you AND Dr.
> Twitchy should rightfully be tried for sedition and/or treason.
> 
> Andrew Mathis
> ...


There you go again, Andrew. You make my case better than anything I could 
say!

With happy Labor Day wishes to all,

-- 


Kevin Alfred Strom

-----------------------------------------------------------
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                  http://www.natall.com/


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Andy Walton wrote:
> 
> In article <321A5090.6965@ix.netcom.com>, Kevin Alfred Strom
>  wrote:
> 
>   :Goldman was an anarchist at a time when that word meant more than just an
>   :advocacy of no government -- it meant total destruction of the existing
>   :order with a stateless communism being the ultimate and desired result.
>   :She was proud of her popular appelation "Red Emma."
> 
> The anarchism=communism bit was a common theme of political discourse at
> the time, and is still carried on by folks with little or no understanding
> of political philosophy.
> 

Evidently, Emma Goldman must be one of those with "little or no 
understanding of political philosophy," since she herself equated the two 
in no uncertain terms.

I purposely used communism with a lower-case "c" -- because that is 
precisely what Emma Goldman advocated under the murderous bomber's banner 
of anarchism.

Let us review the facts:

Emma Goldman was in favor of the Bolshevik revolution at its inception. 
Later, though disillusioned as to the revolution's actual results, she 
continued to embrace its "vision." This vision entailed the abolition of 
private property and the dissolution of the family unit. In short, this 
vision constituted communism in not too different a flavor from that 
served up by Karl Marx.



>   :Her identification with the Russian revolution and its stated aims is
>   :openly admitted, and her disappointment in the actual results of
>   :Bolshevism -- that is, that it did not lead to stateless communism and
>   :love and peace and harmony and free love and nickel beer -- is perhaps
>   :the only note in her life that strikes a sympathetic chord, assuming one
>   :has sympathy for "well-meaning" persons who hack at others with sharp
>   :knives, hoping to remove an imaginary tumour.
> 
> Anarchism and Marxism, as political philosophies, have a common goal -- a
> world in which people will simply live together, without need for coercive
> government. I'll let you in on a little secret -- radical democracy has
> the same goal, as expressed by its earliest philosophers, most notably
> Thomas Paine.
> 

Anarchism and Marxism and "radical democracy," whatever that is, brothers 
under the skin?

The first two certainly; the last you haven't bothered to define. 

Democracy as I understand it requires whatever governmental institutions 
that the boobs vote for, which will probably be quite considerable and 
notably coercive if the "democracies" of the 20th century are any guide. 
Of course, with a suitable restriction of the franchise these defects can 
be ameliorated.

Persons intelligent enough to devise political philosophies that are 
taken seriously by others are also, in most cases, intelligent enough to 
perceive that the likelihood of a "world in which people will simply live 
together, without need for coercive government" is somewhere between that 
of Christ's return to rule the Earth and Bill Moyers' having an original 
thought.

If they then, on that basis, enlist others in their killing crusade for 
"communism" or "anarchism" or "equality," they mislead their followers. 
If they were honest, they would admit that their purpose was merely to 
kill others and take what those others possessed for themselves.

The question of whether Emma Goldman belonged to the first or second 
group of "utopians" is moot.



> Utopian political philosophers, besides their common goal, share a common
> experience -- the sharp disillusionment of the real world....


Yes, it is _so_ inconvenient that so many people oppose the taking of 
their property, the destruction of their homes, the wrecking and 
appropriation of their churches, the teaching of subversion and 
self-hatred to their children, and the destruction of every institution 
upon which higher civilized life depends. What's sweet Miss Goldman to 
do?



>   :She supported the Red "Loyalist" government in Spain:
>   :
>   :"Goldman thought the Spanish civil war was not only crucial to the
>   :international struggle against fascism, but also a great moment in the
>   :history of Spain and the world. It was in her view the only peasant and
>   :working-class revolution ever to be inspired by anarchist ideals.
> 
> As it turned out, the Spanish civil war was Hitler's opening act. Support
> of the loyalists, for whatever reason, seems prescient in hindsight.
> 


I am not a Catholic and I disagree with that church on many issues, but 
the wanton slaughter of priests, nuns, and loyal parishoners by the 
Communists in Spain -- and they were slaughtered in many cases merely 
because they were priests or nuns -- is revolting beyond description.

I suggest you read _The Red Domination in Spain_, Afrodisio Aguado, 
Madrid, 1946. Page upon page upon page of photographs of the "loyalists" 
and their often obscenely mutilated victims... the "loyalists" 
desecrating churches... the abused bodies of the murdered churchmen...  
the "loyalists" meeting under giant posters of Lenin and Stalin... with a 
10-story-high hammer and sickle towering over the streets of Barcelona... 
the "Marxist Militia" and Red Army marching through the streets of 
Madrid... the leader of the Red Army and the "Minister of Public 
Instruction" and a Red Army "Political Commissary" exchanging the 
clenched-fist Communist salute. It goes on for over 400 pages. This was 
what Goldman described as a "great moment in the history of Spain and 
the world."

"Prescient" indeed. "Anarchist" indeed. "Utopian" indeed.


-- 


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Andrew Mathis wrote:
> 
> Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote:
> ...
> 
> >I too have often wondered at the utility of Andrew Mathis to his
> >professed Jewish cause.
> 
> >After all, he openly advocates the killing, rape, torture, and
> >imprisonment of those with whome he disagrees, and his posts often
> >consist of obscene one-liners tacked on the end of long documents with
> >which he purportedly disagrees. He may indeed be influencing readers to
> >consider again the merits of a case made so poorly, and with such obvious
> >calls to violence and other methods of "silencing" his putative
> >opposition he is not likely to attract many to his side.
> 
> Please cite some examples of my advocation of the killing, torture and
> especially the RAPE of my enemies.  Or, for that matter, imprisonment,
> except where they break the law?
> 


Well, here is one small example from a number of weeks ago, in which you 
state that death, imprisonment, and rape would be appropriate for your 
political opponents, and your comments clearly include me:

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Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote:

>Andrew Mathis wrote, made-in-Israel calculator near at hand:


>> 
>> Wow, this is REALLY idiotic, even for the Hubers.
>> [irrelevancies snipped]
>> >*********************************************
>> 
>> >May 15, 1996
>> >_American Goes on Trial in Hamburg_
>> 
>> >Gary Rex Lauck is finally getting his day in court. Lauck, a U.S. citizen,
>> 
>> >was taken into custody by Danish police in March 1995 in response to a
>> >German warrant for his arrest and extradited to Germany five months
>> >later
>> >after he exhausted all possibilities for appeal (cf. TWIG 4/7/95, p.2;
>> >9/8/95, p.2). On Thursday (May 9), he went on trial in Hamburg for
>> >incitement to violence and hatred (Volksverhetzung) and 37 other offenses.
>> 
>> He broke German law, he pays the price in Germany.   C'est la vie.
>> 


>So if it is illegal to question Communism in China, but I criticise it 
>anyway, sending anti-Communist literature to my friends in various 
>countries, it would be OK for China to put pressure on a nearby 
>government, have me arrested in say, Singapore, and put me on trial in 
>Beijing for violating Chinese law WHILE I WAS IN THE UNITED STATES?

Gee, quite a poser, Kevvie.  One thing I do know, however, is that if
I was wanted in Northern Europe, I probably wouldn't be s**theaded
enough to go there.

>Some supporter of freedom you are! Some "light to the nations"!

Why is it that those who whine about their freedom the most are those
who would most willingly take it away from others?

>> > The case has attracted widespread
>> >attention
>> >not only because of the person Lauck, but because it illustrates the
>> >differences between the U.S. concept of unrestricted free speech and the
>> >German system, which forbids neo-Nazi propaganda. If sentenced, Lauck
>> >could
>> >face up to five years in a German prison.
>> 
>> Good; I hope some big ugly hun named Gunther takes him up the poop
>> chute.
>> 

>Are you purposely trying to make my case, Andrew? How tolerant and 
>democratic you are, how deeeeply concerned for everyone's human rights 
>and due process you are! I'm really impressed.

Lauck is not human.  He stopped being human the moment he embraced
Hitler.  His life is worth less than nothing to me--neither is yours.

>Are you secretly working for Israel Shahak?

No, and if you knew anything about Shahak, you'd know that most Jews
can't stand him.

>> >************************************************
>> 
>> >Date: Tuesday, 14-May-96 01:24 PM
>> 
>> >I received the following from a reader in Switzerland who took the
>> >information below from a regular news wire.
>> 
>> >". . . Fifty years after the end of the Second World War, a total of 5,
>> >570
>> >cases in which individuals are suspected of having committed crimes
>> >during
>> >the National Socialist regime remain unresolved, Minister of Justice
>> >Edward
>> >Schmidt-Joertzig (FDP) announced in late February at the presentation of
>> >Germany's first national compilation of statistics on the prosecution of
>> >Nazi crimes.
>> 
>> > 'The data show,' Schmidt-Joertzig said, 'that prosecutors still take
>> >the
>> >task of bringing those responsible for the horrendous crimes of the
>> >Hitler
>> >dictatorship to justice seriously. . . '"
>> 
>> >According to this correspondent, Germany has prosecuted 106,178 (!)
>> >persons
>> >since 1945.  6,494 were convicted.  This amounts to a conviction rate of
>> >6.12% (!)  And I would like to add that many were convicted in the
>> >immediate
>> >postwar era when the "eye witness" testimony and affidavits were
>> >massively
>> >faked and could seldom be verified.
>> 
>> You cretins can't even do math.  It's less than 1 percent.
>> 

>Hmmm... 6,494 divided by 106,178 is .06116  ...that _is_ 6.12 per cent., 
>Andrew. What _are_ you smoking? Or is it more "Jewish math" that your 
>race employed so skilfully after 1945? You just gotta believe....!

>You need a rest, Andrew. Really.

Whoops, forgot to carry my decimal point.

>> 
>> >Ingrid
>> 
>> That's Ingrid Rimland of San Diego, CA folks.  I personally exposed
>> her to the ADL and the mainstream press.  She'll never sell a book to
>> a major publisher again.


>You are living proof of everything that I am trying to say about 
>organized Jewry, Andrew. I think you're great. Keep 'em coming!


What, that a women who accepts awards from reputable organizations and
then denies the Holocaust should not be outed as the piece of filth
that she is?  I'm proud of what I did.  PROUD.

>> >********************************************
>> Hasta luego.
>> 
>> -------------------------------------
>> "If they give you ruled paper,
>> Write the other way."
>>                --Ronald Wilson Reagan


More proof that Reaganites are largely racist--the quote, by the way,
is by Juan Ramon Jimenez and is the epigram that opens Ray Bradbury's
tract on Free Speech, Fahrenheit 451.

>With all good wishes to everyone, especially Israel Shahak and Andrew 
>Mathis,

May someone send you to hell quickly.
-------------------------------------
"If they give you ruled paper,
Write the other way."
               --Juan Ramon Jimenez

---end forwarded message by Andrew Mathis---

So there you have it. You wish death, imprisonment, and rape for your 
political opponents; and I had actually forgotten to mention your 
approval of imprisoning people for their political statements and your 
clear implication that the ADL controls who can be published by major 
publishing houses.

I have further examples if anyone is interested.



> You, Kevin, serve a despicable excuse for a human being, carrying
> forth the cause of Adolf Hitler in my country.  For this, you AND Dr.
> Twitchy should rightfully be tried for sedition and/or treason.
> 
> Andrew Mathis
> ...


There you go again, Andrew. You make my case better than anything I could 
say!

With happy Labor Day wishes to all,

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It would be interesting to see what happens when and if vouchers for 
education become widespread.

We may then find out to what extent the flight to private schools is 
motivated by 1) the desire to escape a poor or ideologically 
repugnant education and/or 2) (a widespread accusation levelled by public 
education partisans but not subject to measurement so far) a desire on 
the part of European-Americans to escape multiculturalism.

If there is a substantial amount of conscious or unconscious racial 
motivation, then vouchers may be a curse disguised as a blessing for such 
parents, since my prediction is that vouchers will come with laws 
attached -- laws that prohibit any school receiving them from being a 
haven for those who prefer the mores, culture, and community of the Old 
Euro-America. Where will these people go then?

Undoubtedly, those few who are wealthy enough will then escape to schools 
not enrolled in the voucher program, if indeed such will be permitted to 
exist at all. And the cycle will repeat itself.

With wishes for a happy Labor Day to all,

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Mike Hihn wrote:
> 
> bob whitaker  wrote:
> 
> >   Sorry to interrupt an interesting conversation, but I am a
> >little surprised.
> >   I briefly mentioned the concentrated disgenics of the last
> >generation as one reason for the perceived failure of public
> >schools.  In a generation in which intelligent women were urged
> >not to h ave children and so many didn't, or had only one, the
> >public schools may be partially, I say partially, taking blame
> >for bad genes.
> 
> Apparently, you believe all the "intelligent" women bought into
> the entire line of feminist claptrap.
> 
> I suggest that truly intelligent women, like truly intelligent men,
> think for themselves.
> 
> ========================================================
> Mike Hihn,Editor                  liberty@wolfenet.com
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> ========================================================


Of course, you are right, not all intelligent women bought into the 
suicidal feminist agenda.

But many intelligent, thoughtful people were greatly influenced by the 
highly-promoted (and, to be fair, largely true, though important facts 
were left out) "world population crisis" idea.

The thoughtful, intelligent people saw the good sense in family planning 
and limiting family size in an overcrowded world of limited resources. 
And they _did_ limit the size of their families.

But the unintelligent and irresponsible kept on breeding as they always 
have. Thus, by their apparently responsible and reasonable actions, 
people of higher quality have insured that their few children will 
constitute a smaller proportion of the population than they did, and that 
the balance of power in society will shift toward those of less 
intelligence and responsibility. Not quite what they expected.

Of course, these relatively "bright" parents could protest that the 
"think tanks" and foundations and "ad councils" and the other 
establishment voices never warned them about that. But they deserved what 
they got, no matter what their excuses. There is no escaping 
responsibility for your actions.

The public schools have many faults. But the decline in achievement 
cannot be blamed on them alone. The decline in average intelligence as a 
result of dysgenic reproduction trends operates in every civilization, 
and has been especially severe in post-World War II America, as Mr. 
Whitaker stated.

With good wishes to all,


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Miss Finsten, I am delighted to discover that you are not a partisan of 
Emma Goldman's revolutionary cause.

You are a bit confused on White vesus white, however. Except to those who 
have attached a special, personal, and new meaning to the words, they 
have their common meanings -- references to the color of an object or of 
light, or to a race of humen beings -- senses in which this word has been 
used since long before our births.

No one capitalizes the word when describing the quality of incident or 
reflected light, but I think it is just respectful to capitalize the 
names of races and peoples, such as Black or Asian or White or Jewish. 
Failing to capitalize them, I think, might be interpreted as a purposeful 
expression of disrespect, something I would wish to avoid.

With happy Labor Day wishes,

-- 


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From ka_strom@ix.netcom.com Sun Aug 25 13:11:12 PDT 1996
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From: Kevin Alfred Strom 
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One of my correspondents forwarded this message to me, as follows;

> 
> From: nobody@flame.alias.net (Anonymous)
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> Subject: Conflicts in White Nationalist thought, Mr. Strom?
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> 
>  I believe that the new white nation you advocate should be a
> constitutional republic as the founders intended, not the total-
> itarian sham that is needed to enforce today's multiracial em-
> pire. I think you've stated that that is your intent. How-
> ever, I've noted that you have also advocated eugenics, assumedly
> to be conducted on the established white nation. By its nature,
> eugenics is coercive!


Not necessarily more so than any other law, and possibly far less 
coercive than some. All laws, even laws against littering, have coercion 
in some form as their ultimate basis.

No matter what law has been violated, behind it are men with guns and 
badges who will make sure (by coercion or threat of coercion) that you 
are brought before the bar of justice, where if adjudged guilty you will 
be 1) coerced into doing what the law requires under threat of further 
coercion, or 2) coerced into paying a fine under threat of further 
coercion, or 3) forced to give up your freedom for a specified period. I 
add parenthetically that in a White nation, White men convicted of crimes 
will not have to endure the cruel and unusual punishment of being 
incarcerated in prisons dominated by Negro criminals and criminal gangs, 
where they may die or undergo unspeakable outrages never sanctioned by 
any jury.

I would also add that merely _stopping_ the dysgenic subsidization of the 
underclass would have a wonderful eugenic effect. Taxing those parents 
who have the ability to conceive future physicists, philosophers, 
composers, inventors, artists, and other benfactors of this planet, to 
subsidize the breeding of future crack dealers, rapists, killers, 
borderline morons, and the criminally insane, is a policy guaranteeing 
that we will bequeath to our children a darker, uglier, and almost 
certainly more coercive world than we have now. 


> If you do advocate such a program, please explain how it will
> be administered, and by whom, before all we diverse peoples of
> the European race sign on to your new America. If you don't, ac-
> cept my apologies for misinterpreting your posts.


No apologies are necessary.

While I acknowledge that government action is good and necessary in some 
areas of life, I dislike the idea of living in a police state probably 
more than anyone, and I despise the current trend toward a policeman on 
every corner, housetop, and in every modem, and a prison on every 
streetcorner housing perhaps 50 per cent. of the block's population. I 
exaggerate current trends here, but only slightly.

How could eugenics be administered with a minimum of coercion?

First, just as the tax code encourages home ownership, the birth of 
high-quality children could be subsidized by tax breaks for the parents. 
Those parents who had achieved special eminence in their jobs, who had 
excelled in the arts or sciences, who had performed acts of heroism, who 
had achieved consistently superior results in intelligence tests, or who 
had given other evidence of superior genetic endowment, could receive 
generous tax incentives to bear and raise children.

Perhaps also, just as the government today favors special interest groups 
with subsidized loans, the birth of superior children could be encouraged 
by the granting of low-interest loans to the parents, helping to ensure 
that the potential of these superior children is realized and averting 
the tragedy that such children might never be conceived because of money 
worries on the part of the parents.

Thirdly, the use of sperm banks like Robert Klark Graham's _Repository 
for Germinal Choice_ could be encouraged by government grants to the 
banks, and generous benefits as described above could be provided to the 
women of normal or greater intelligence who choose to bear the children 
of genius-level sperm donors.

Negative eugenics could be applied by reducing sentences for repeat 
offenders if they agree to sterilization; and by discouraging those with 
serious genetic defects from deliberately passing their misery on to 
infinite future generations through fines, and if combined with rape or 
other violence, imprisonment.

(While not bearing directly on the quality of offspring, we could also 
effect immediate improvements in our society by requiring a minimum 
intelligence level, and a demonstration of understanding of the basic 
concepts of self-government, before a citizen was given a license to vote 
-- far more important than the parallel requirements for licensing 
drivers! Imagine elections in which media-orchestrated appeals to the 
boobs would be a thing of the past.)

Actually, eugenics is the best and only answer, in the long term, to 
society's problems. In every civilization, for reasons we do not entirely 
understand, the less intelligent outbreed the more intelligent. Absent 
the evolutionary pruning knife of a severe environment, this causes a 
lowering of the average intelligence with every generation -- even as 
accumulated knowledge may be advancing the society in other ways, such as 
technology or the arts.

In America we have been reinforcing this natural dysgenic trend by 
subsidizing the breeding of the lowest elements among us. Our response to 
the social problems thus engendered has been more laws; more prisons (to 
the point where America has more inmates per capita than even the old 
Soviet Union did); "get tough" measures to encourage drastic sentences; 
and the sacrificing of our rights of freedom and privacy through the 
erection of huge "anti-crime," "anti-drug," "anti-gun," and now 
"anti-terrorist" secret police agencies who themselves are a threat to 
peacable citizens.

No society has perfect freedom, of course. Human nature, even in the most 
advanced nations of the most advanced races, produces monsters who beat 
their wives, kill their betters, and sodomize little boys. So rational 
men institute governments and laws to punish those monsters and segregate 
them from the rest of us.

But freedom exists in degrees. If you have a society in which 99 per 
cent. of the population are highly intelligent and quite capable of 
fending for themselves and providing for their families, the degree of 
freedom of action you can grant your citizens is much greater than what 
would necessarily prevail in a society consisting of 50 or even 30 per 
cent. moronic thugs like Darryl Cabey.

If humans were perfect, no laws would necessary and coercion would be 
nonexistent. Instead of ignoring human quality until it is too late and 
you have to imprison half the population (at which point control of the 
society by non-criminals approaches untenability, and you may be facing a 
Liberia- or Haiti-type situation), let's encourage the reproduction of 
the best and brightest among us, so that each generation can advance in 
both freedom and knowledge. There really is no other way.

With good wishes to all,

-- 


Kevin Alfred Strom

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From ka_strom@ix.netcom.com Tue Aug 27 07:31:37 PDT 1996
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Ursus Major wrote:
> 
> Should not Rabbi Meyer Schiller, who is closely associated with the
> White Nationalist _American Renaissance_ and has done more to
> advance the preservation of the European essence of the United
> States than 99+% than the blah-blah posters PROVED his dedication
> to White Nationalism?


If a Jew wants to end the multiracial madness, more power to him. There 
have been a few.

If Rabbi Schiller would work to turn Jewish organizations and 
institutions away from their current anti-White stance (good luck to him 
on that score!), or do as Benjamin Freedman did and devote himself to 
exposure of his co-racialists' activities, then I could take his alliance 
with Jared Taylor seriously. I have seen no evidence of this so far.


>    Rabbi Schiller made three--t-h-r-e-e--trips to South Africa, im-
> ploring them NOT to commit suicide! How many of the big-mouth, big-
> guns around here have done anything? If Rabbi Schiller, not only a Jew
> but a teacher at a yeshva, is not a White Nationalist, then there is
> no such thing as a White Nationalist!!
> 


That's a little bit like saying that, since Bill Clinton opposes same-sex 
marriages on purely tactical grounds, "If Bill Clinton isn't pro-family, 
then there is no such thing as pro-family."



> (P.S. It should also be recalled that the foremost classist of recent
> times was the late Moses Hadis, and Walter Kaufmann was, without a
> doubt, the foremost scholar on and promoter of Friedrich Nietzsche in
> the English-speaking world. The preemiminent conductors of the operas
> of Richard Wagner are James Levine and Daniel Barenboim. Need I
> write more?)
> ...


You might want to mention that, until recently, the works of Wagner could 
not be performed in Israel, and a substantial faction there would like 
the ban to be reinstituted.

Ursus also fails to note that while Jews in Europe have partially 
assimilated genetically to Europeans, that Jews in China look Chinese to 
our eyes, and there are other similar examples. These populations may be 
small, but the principle is significant.

Jews not possessing the powerful "us-versus-the-goyim" mentality, or a 
feeling of special Jewish identity, to the requisite degree probably, 
whenever able, married out or otherwise abandoned their Jewish identity; 
and so their genes were lost to the Jewish people. Those who remained 
Jews were those who did possess this strong feeling of Jewishness. If 
_they_ married out, the partner had to declare allegiance to the Jewish 
people through conversion. The issue of such unions went through a 
similar selection process.

Jews are an extremely talented and intelligent hybrid race, making up for 
what they lack in genetic homogeneity by a ferocious and peculiar racism 
which has as its main hallmark a hypocritical attack on the survival 
mechanisms of other races. It is a big world, and I am happy to note, as 
you do, that there are exceptions.

However, Jews as a whole cannot be regarded as Europeans. Their spokesmen 
certainly regard their people as a very special (some would say "chosen") 
international people, with a purpose and destiny quite apart from those 
of their host peoples.

With my very best wishes,

-- 


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From ka_strom@ix.netcom.com Tue Aug 27 08:35:26 PDT 1996
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Christopher Henrik Lund wrote:
> 
> In article <321CEB07.6EAE@ix.netcom.com>, Kevin Alfred Strom  writes:
> > Here the self-styled "anti-racists" are showing their true colors. Bob,
> > genocide _can't_ be committed against White people -- since the White
> > race doesn't exist.
> 
> There's only the human race.
> 


You prove my point exactly: By denying that the European race has any 
meaningful existence as a unit, aggression against that unit (as by 
invading its territory or criminalizing its natural defense mechanisms) 
can proceed without challenge.



> > christop@ifi.uio.no (Christopher Henrik Lund) also wrote:
> > >
> > >One *very* good reason to put quotation marks around the word "white",
> > >when used to describe people, is that there is no clear boundry between
> > >"white" and "nonwhite". In other words, the term is used arbitrarily.
> > >Even those idiot "white power" activists are incapable of giving a good
> > >definition of "white". Thus the quotation marks. The same applies to the
> > >word "black", btw.
> >
> > If we depart, for a moment, from the emotional area of human subspecies,
> > and discuss merely the _colors_ black and white, we can easily see the
> > transparent preposterousness of your statement.
> >
> > Since there is no sharp dividing line between black and white -- or
> > indeed between green and red, or indigo and infrared for that matter --
> > then we ought to put the names of all colors in quotation marks.
> > Furthermore, since there is no sharp dividing line between the colors,
> > colors really do not exist at all and no decisions whatever can be made
> > based upon the alleged "color" of any object.
> 
> First of all, black and white, as colors, are on either side of a scale; black
> is the total absence of color, while white is the presence of all color.
> Everything in between are shades of grey.
> 


Yes, yes, we all know that that changes in luminance (quantity of 
white light) proceed on a scale from no light to 100 per cent. 
illumination by all colors, with all the visible colors in equal 
proportion at every point of the scale. The point is that despite the 
fact that there is a gradation in the grey scale, it does not prevent us 
>from  knowing (and making practical use of our knowledge of) the 
differences between black, grey and white.

When dealing with chromatic differences (wavelength of light), a similar 
lack of boundaries also applies, and yet it is still quite useful in a 
number of different applications to distinguish between red, green, and 
blue, et cetera. I think that the engineers at Sony Corporation would get 
a good laugh if you informed them that the color-splitting (segregating!) 
prisms in their video cameras were of no use whatever because, since 
there is no clearly-defined boundary between green and blue, green and 
blue really do not exist and no distinctions may legitimately be drawn 
between them.



> But we're discussing *human skin color* here, not your box of crayolas.


No, not really. We're discussing human races or subspecies here, which in 
_some_ cases have differing skin colors and have popular names derived 
>from  those skin colors.

The claim has been advanced that since human races grade into one another 
at their peripheries, race as a concept is fundamentally useless. By 
using the examples of colors and bodies of water, I showed that such a 
claim has very little merit.


....
> 
> > The "liberals" have no trouble defining races when it comes to handing
> > out other people's money, but they make much of their imagined inability
> > to define the White race.
> 
> What the hell are you babbling about???
> 


The "liberals" in America support something called by the quite Orwellian 
name of "Affirmative Action" (sort of like calling tobacco subsidies 
"Definite Progress" or calling weapons research "Higher Development").

"Affirmative Action" entails giving special preference in promotions, 
hiring, school admissions, scholarships and other valuable societal 
commodities to non-Whites in government institutions, and, through a 
tortured series of legal tricks, private ones as well.

I assure you that when an applicant is ascertained to be White, whether 
by physical observation or by self-description on a form, it has a 
definite effect on the standards applied to his case. No controversy is 
then attached to the existence of race or a particular race, and the 
goodies are handed out to the favored groups without a peep from the 
"there is no such thing as the White race" crowd.



> > The real definition of a race or people is the definition used by that
> > people.
> 
> The real definition of "people", yes. But "race" is defined somewhat
> differently by biologists: If two creatures can produce fertile offspring,
> they belong to the same race.
> 


Doubly wrong.

1. In terms of taking action for their own survival, there is no 
practical difference between race-consciousness on the part of a 
substantial portion of a race determined to survive, and a similar 
consciousness among members of a smaller subdivision thinking of itself 
as a people.

2. "If two creatures can produce fertile offspring, they belong to the 
same race" is absurdly untrue. One definition of _species_ runs roughly 
the same as that statement, but _race_ is by definition synonymous with 
subspecies. For example, if memory serves, there exist in North America 
two races (subspecies) of Rufous-Sided Towhees, the red-eyed race and the 
white-eyed race. If these two races cross, they, of course, produce 
fertile offspring.



> > A people consisting of members who believe in "equality" and the
> > nonexistence of races will, thankfully, soon cease to exist.
> 
> Why?
> 


The peoples of the Earth are now, and always have been, competing for 
land and resources. This competition can take many forms; invasion, 
conquest, invention of new weapons or medicines or methods of sustenance, 
propaganda, and sheer biomass, among many others.

The purpose of the competition is for each kind to continue to exist. It 
is the elemental question of "to be or not to be" that has faced every 
creature since immutable Destiny forged the first self-replicating 
molecules.

As healthy individuals have as their categorical imperative the _will to 
live_, absent which they will surely die prematurely; so too healthy 
peoples cleave to and love their own kind and wish passionately for their 
kind to survive and continue into the future. Absent such a motivation, a 
race or nation would be quickly absorbed or overrun and would not long 
grace the planet.

"Roman? What's that? We call ourselves Romans, but what does that mean, 
really? I don't know. Anyone can be a Roman now. I don't care one whit if 
a person's a Roman or not. Hell, I'm a mutt myself. People are the same 
all over." How long would this hypothetical Rome last with such an 
attitude among its people? For "Roman," read "American" or "Frenchman" or 
"Norwegian."

So I can confidently predict that the White race of the future, if it 
survives, will have few members descended from present-day "liberals."



> > The White race consists of the descendants of those people who replaced
> > the Neanderthals in Europe and surrounding territories, and who did not
> > mix with other races subsequently. This would encompass the founding
> > stock of all European nationalities, as well as those of the same race
> > who have occupied other territories.
> 
> Gee, that sounds quite simple and clear, almost: Does this include the Greeks?
> The Italians? The Turks? The Slavs? If not, why?
> 


If they are of European descent, yes. But you must remember that, 
unfortunately, nationality and race do not always coincide and Hottentots 
may be found in London. Like mice living in a stable, however, their 
location does not magically transform them into horses.



> Are you aware that most of the people living in the Americas today (excepting
> the most recent immigrants) have ancestors who "mixed with other races"?


If you are talking about North and South America considered as a whole, 
I am not surprised. If you are talking only about the United States of 
America, please cite your source for this amazing claim.



> Chances are there's a "black" or a "redskin" somewhere in your family tree,
> Kevin.
> 


Really? Your knowledge of my family tree amazes me. Please elucidate, 
remembering that I have traced my ancestors back to Norway and the only 
thing I found in the woodpile was a Swede a few generations back. My 
mother has done quite a bit of work on my family's geneology and I am 
sure that your special knowledge would be of great assistance to her.

To leap from a possibly true statement about the preponderance of 
mestizos in the Americas, to the details of my family tree, about which 
you have no knowledge whatsoever, is so absurd that your more intelligent 
comperes must be wincing. I might state with equal validity that, since 
the population of Eurasia is predominantly Mongoloid, Margaret Thatcher 
surely has a Vietnamese or Korean in her family tree.



> > But Mr. Whitaker's definition is more pithy -- the White race consists of
> > the people against whom the genocidal "equality" campaign is now
> > directed.
> 
> "Genocide"? Don't make me laugh. How many "whites" have been gassed to death
> so far?
> 
>         C. Lund, Oslo   http://www.ifi.uio.no/~christop/shame.html


Gassing, of course, is not the only way that a people can be eliminated.

I am no supporter of the "United Nations," but I suggest that you read 
their definition of genocide.

The following quote is from the United Nations "Genocide Convention":

"Acts Constituting Genocide

"Article II

"In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts 
committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, 
ethnic, racial or religious group, as such:

"(a) Killing members of the group;

"(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;

"(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated 
to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;

"(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent  births within the group;

"(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group."

I could deal with each category of genocide at length, especially the 
mental harm caused by redefining the natural racial feelings of White 
people as "evil" "racism," but this message is already too long and too 
discursive.

In my opinion, the false philosophies of multiracialism and "equality," 
which have been assiduously promoted for the last several decades in the 
nations of the West, have been from the very beginning calculated to 
bring about conditions of life which would cause the physical destruction 
of the European race, in part if not totally.

Even establishment publications like _Time_ magazine admit that the 
result of current policies will be the drastic reduction in the White 
percentage of the population in the next few decades. And the natural 
result of immigration of non-Whites with higher birthrates into European 
nations with low or negative growth will be an eventual supplanting of 
the Europeans by others, no matter what the proportions are at the 
beginning of the invasion. If there is not a haven established for Whites 
somewhere on this globe, we will perish.

Whenever such a haven is proposed, its proponents are denounced by the 
establishment and its sycophant media, where they are not actually 
arrested and charged criminally for their "crime" of resisting the 
destruction of their people.

Yes, it _is_ genocide.

With happy Labor Day wishes to all,

-- 


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From ka_strom@ix.netcom.com Tue Aug 27 08:35:27 PDT 1996
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Douglas Smith wrote:
> 
> In article <321CAE15.298@ix.netcom.com> Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:...
> 
> O.K.  So your point is what?  Look, I won't argue the stats with you, because some of
> what you stated above regarding rates of crime is true.  However, with the exception
> of homicide and forcible rape, whites commit far more crime in the U.S. than blacks
> do.  Of the people arrested for crime in the United States in 1993, 66.9% were white,
> 31.1% were black.  This means out of the population of criminals arrested in 1993,
> two-thirds were white.  This also means that, in theory, crime would only be reduced
> by one-third if we got rid of blacks, but by two-thirds if we got rid of whites.


If one third of all crimes are committed by a group that constitutes 13 
per cent. of the population, that means that in areas where that group is 
near 100 per cent. of the population, crime could be expected to be three 
times as high. (The 87 figure below is "everybody except Blacks.")

67/87 = .77    33/13 = 2.538    2.538/.77 = 3.296


>  In
> 1993, 883,966 blacks were arrested for crimes committed in the U.S.  This amounts to
> .03% of the entire population of blacks in the U.S.  This means that 99.97% of blacks
> were not arrested for crime in the U.S., does it not?


No. Your math is off by a factor of 100.

You stated that 883,966 Blacks were arrested in 1993 for crimes committed 
in the United States. About 32 million Blacks reside within U.S. borders. 
Simple estimation should tell you that almost a million is about three 
per cent. of 32 million. Let's do the math:

883,966/32,000,000 = .0276    ...which is roughly 3 per cent., not .03 
per cent.

So in any given year, about three per cent. of American Blacks are 
arrested, and 97 per cent. are not arrested. It would be interesting to 
know what percentage of the Black population is arrested within a 
decade's span, but I know of no source for such data.



> 
> I'm not going say that the picture is pretty for black Americans arrested for crime.
> But I do take exception at your attempts to characterize blacks as extremely crime
> prone.  They are not.  


Oh, that's a matter of definition. But they do commit crimes at much 
higher rates than White people -- not just a few percent higher, but many 
_multiples_ (hundreds of per cent.) higher. That is a matter of fact. In 
fact, the statistics fully support the idea that _no race_ in the United 
States is more crime-prone than Blacks.


> Nor do they commit the majority of crimes in the U.S.  The
> rates at which they commit crimes are higher.  Is this evidence of some innate
> criminality as you are trying to suggest?  Hardly.  If only .03% of all blacks in the
> U.S. are arrested from year to year, I think you'd have a difficult time making that
> case.
> 


When your math is off by a factor of 100, it is easy to draw the wrong 
conclusions.

That's alright though, I am sure you didn't do it on purpose.


Happy calculating,

-- 


Kevin Alfred Strom

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Christopher Henrik Lund wrote:
> 
> In article <321CEB07.6EAE@ix.netcom.com>, Kevin Alfred Strom  writes:
> > Here the self-styled "anti-racists" are showing their true colors. Bob,
> > genocide _can't_ be committed against White people -- since the White
> > race doesn't exist.
> 
> There's only the human race.
> 


You prove my point exactly: By denying that the European race has any 
meaningful existence as a unit, aggression against that unit (as by 
invading its territory or criminalizing its natural defense mechanisms) 
can proceed without challenge.



> > christop@ifi.uio.no (Christopher Henrik Lund) also wrote:
> > >
> > >One *very* good reason to put quotation marks around the word "white",
> > >when used to describe people, is that there is no clear boundry between
> > >"white" and "nonwhite". In other words, the term is used arbitrarily.
> > >Even those idiot "white power" activists are incapable of giving a good
> > >definition of "white". Thus the quotation marks. The same applies to the
> > >word "black", btw.
> >
> > If we depart, for a moment, from the emotional area of human subspecies,
> > and discuss merely the _colors_ black and white, we can easily see the
> > transparent preposterousness of your statement.
> >
> > Since there is no sharp dividing line between black and white -- or
> > indeed between green and red, or indigo and infrared for that matter --
> > then we ought to put the names of all colors in quotation marks.
> > Furthermore, since there is no sharp dividing line between the colors,
> > colors really do not exist at all and no decisions whatever can be made
> > based upon the alleged "color" of any object.
> 
> First of all, black and white, as colors, are on either side of a scale; black
> is the total absence of color, while white is the presence of all color.
> Everything in between are shades of grey.
> 


Yes, yes, we all know that that changes in luminance (quantity of 
white light) proceed on a scale from no light to 100 per cent. 
illumination by all colors, with all the visible colors in equal 
proportion at every point of the scale. The point is that despite the 
fact that there is a gradation in the grey scale, it does not prevent us 
>from  knowing (and making practical use of our knowledge of) the 
differences between black, grey and white.

When dealing with chromatic differences (wavelength of light), a similar 
lack of boundaries also applies, and yet it is still quite useful in a 
number of different applications to distinguish between red, green, and 
blue, et cetera. I think that the engineers at Sony Corporation would get 
a good laugh if you informed them that the color-splitting (segregating!) 
prisms in their video cameras were of no use whatever because, since 
there is no clearly-defined boundary between green and blue, green and 
blue really do not exist and no distinctions may legitimately be drawn 
between them.



> But we're discussing *human skin color* here, not your box of crayolas.


No, not really. We're discussing human races or subspecies here, which in 
_some_ cases have differing skin colors and have popular names derived 
>from  those skin colors.

The claim has been advanced that since human races grade into one another 
at their peripheries, race as a concept is fundamentally useless. By 
using the examples of colors and bodies of water, I showed that such a 
claim has very little merit.


....
> 
> > The "liberals" have no trouble defining races when it comes to handing
> > out other people's money, but they make much of their imagined inability
> > to define the White race.
> 
> What the hell are you babbling about???
> 


The "liberals" in America support something called by the quite Orwellian 
name of "Affirmative Action" (sort of like calling tobacco subsidies 
"Definite Progress" or calling weapons research "Higher Development").

"Affirmative Action" entails giving special preference in promotions, 
hiring, school admissions, scholarships and other valuable societal 
commodities to non-Whites in government institutions, and, through a 
tortured series of legal tricks, private ones as well.

I assure you that when an applicant is ascertained to be White, whether 
by physical observation or by self-description on a form, it has a 
definite effect on the standards applied to his case. No controversy is 
then attached to the existence of race or a particular race, and the 
goodies are handed out to the favored groups without a peep from the 
"there is no such thing as the White race" crowd.



> > The real definition of a race or people is the definition used by that
> > people.
> 
> The real definition of "people", yes. But "race" is defined somewhat
> differently by biologists: If two creatures can produce fertile offspring,
> they belong to the same race.
> 


Doubly wrong.

1. In terms of taking action for their own survival, there is no 
practical difference between race-consciousness on the part of a 
substantial portion of a race determined to survive, and a similar 
consciousness among members of a smaller subdivision thinking of itself 
as a people.

2. "If two creatures can produce fertile offspring, they belong to the 
same race" is absurdly untrue. One definition of _species_ runs roughly 
the same as that statement, but _race_ is by definition synonymous with 
subspecies. For example, if memory serves, there exist in North America 
two races (subspecies) of Rufous-Sided Towhees, the red-eyed race and the 
white-eyed race. If these two races cross, they, of course, produce 
fertile offspring.



> > A people consisting of members who believe in "equality" and the
> > nonexistence of races will, thankfully, soon cease to exist.
> 
> Why?
> 


The peoples of the Earth are now, and always have been, competing for 
land and resources. This competition can take many forms; invasion, 
conquest, invention of new weapons or medicines or methods of sustenance, 
propaganda, and sheer biomass, among many others.

The purpose of the competition is for each kind to continue to exist. It 
is the elemental question of "to be or not to be" that has faced every 
creature since immutable Destiny forged the first self-replicating 
molecules.

As healthy individuals have as their categorical imperative the _will to 
live_, absent which they will surely die prematurely; so too healthy 
peoples cleave to and love their own kind and wish passionately for their 
kind to survive and continue into the future. Absent such a motivation, a 
race or nation would be quickly absorbed or overrun and would not long 
grace the planet.

"Roman? What's that? We call ourselves Romans, but what does that mean, 
really? I don't know. Anyone can be a Roman now. I don't care one whit if 
a person's a Roman or not. Hell, I'm a mutt myself. People are the same 
all over." How long would this hypothetical Rome last with such an 
attitude among its people? For "Roman," read "American" or "Frenchman" or 
"Norwegian."

So I can confidently predict that the White race of the future, if it 
survives, will have few members descended from present-day "liberals."



> > The White race consists of the descendants of those people who replaced
> > the Neanderthals in Europe and surrounding territories, and who did not
> > mix with other races subsequently. This would encompass the founding
> > stock of all European nationalities, as well as those of the same race
> > who have occupied other territories.
> 
> Gee, that sounds quite simple and clear, almost: Does this include the Greeks?
> The Italians? The Turks? The Slavs? If not, why?
> 


If they are of European descent, yes. But you must remember that, 
unfortunately, nationality and race do not always coincide and Hottentots 
may be found in London. Like mice living in a stable, however, their 
location does not magically transform them into horses.



> Are you aware that most of the people living in the Americas today (excepting
> the most recent immigrants) have ancestors who "mixed with other races"?


If you are talking about North and South America considered as a whole, 
I am not surprised. If you are talking only about the United States of 
America, please cite your source for this amazing claim.



> Chances are there's a "black" or a "redskin" somewhere in your family tree,
> Kevin.
> 


Really? Your knowledge of my family tree amazes me. Please elucidate, 
remembering that I have traced my ancestors back to Norway and the only 
thing I found in the woodpile was a Swede a few generations back. My 
mother has done quite a bit of work on my family's geneology and I am 
sure that your special knowledge would be of great assistance to her.

To leap from a possibly true statement about the preponderance of 
mestizos in the Americas, to the details of my family tree, about which 
you have no knowledge whatsoever, is so absurd that your more intelligent 
comperes must be wincing. I might state with equal validity that, since 
the population of Eurasia is predominantly Mongoloid, Margaret Thatcher 
surely has a Vietnamese or Korean in her family tree.



> > But Mr. Whitaker's definition is more pithy -- the White race consists of
> > the people against whom the genocidal "equality" campaign is now
> > directed.
> 
> "Genocide"? Don't make me laugh. How many "whites" have been gassed to death
> so far?
> 
>         C. Lund, Oslo   http://www.ifi.uio.no/~christop/shame.html


Gassing, of course, is not the only way that a people can be eliminated.

I am no supporter of the "United Nations," but I suggest that you read 
their definition of genocide.

The following quote is from the United Nations "Genocide Convention":

"Acts Constituting Genocide

"Article II

"In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts 
committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, 
ethnic, racial or religious group, as such:

"(a) Killing members of the group;

"(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;

"(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated 
to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;

"(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent  births within the group;

"(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group."

I could deal with each category of genocide at length, especially the 
mental harm caused by redefining the natural racial feelings of White 
people as "evil" "racism," but this message is already too long and too 
discursive.

In my opinion, the false philosophies of multiracialism and "equality," 
which have been assiduously promoted for the last several decades in the 
nations of the West, have been from the very beginning calculated to 
bring about conditions of life which would cause the physical destruction 
of the European race, in part if not totally.

Even establishment publications like _Time_ magazine admit that the 
result of current policies will be the drastic reduction in the White 
percentage of the population in the next few decades. And the natural 
result of immigration of non-Whites with higher birthrates into European 
nations with low or negative growth will be an eventual supplanting of 
the Europeans by others, no matter what the proportions are at the 
beginning of the invasion. If there is not a haven established for Whites 
somewhere on this globe, we will perish.

Whenever such a haven is proposed, its proponents are denounced by the 
establishment and its sycophant media, where they are not actually 
arrested and charged criminally for their "crime" of resisting the 
destruction of their people.

Yes, it _is_ genocide.

With happy Labor Day wishes to all,

-- 


Kevin Alfred Strom

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Christopher Henrik Lund wrote:
> 
> In article <321CEB07.6EAE@ix.netcom.com>, Kevin Alfred Strom  writes:
> > Here the self-styled "anti-racists" are showing their true colors. Bob,
> > genocide _can't_ be committed against White people -- since the White
> > race doesn't exist.
> 
> There's only the human race.
> 


You prove my point exactly: By denying that the European race has any 
meaningful existence as a unit, aggression against that unit (as by 
invading its territory or criminalizing its natural defense mechanisms) 
can proceed without challenge.



> > christop@ifi.uio.no (Christopher Henrik Lund) also wrote:
> > >
> > >One *very* good reason to put quotation marks around the word "white",
> > >when used to describe people, is that there is no clear boundry between
> > >"white" and "nonwhite". In other words, the term is used arbitrarily.
> > >Even those idiot "white power" activists are incapable of giving a good
> > >definition of "white". Thus the quotation marks. The same applies to the
> > >word "black", btw.
> >
> > If we depart, for a moment, from the emotional area of human subspecies,
> > and discuss merely the _colors_ black and white, we can easily see the
> > transparent preposterousness of your statement.
> >
> > Since there is no sharp dividing line between black and white -- or
> > indeed between green and red, or indigo and infrared for that matter --
> > then we ought to put the names of all colors in quotation marks.
> > Furthermore, since there is no sharp dividing line between the colors,
> > colors really do not exist at all and no decisions whatever can be made
> > based upon the alleged "color" of any object.
> 
> First of all, black and white, as colors, are on either side of a scale; black
> is the total absence of color, while white is the presence of all color.
> Everything in between are shades of grey.
> 


Yes, yes, we all know that that changes in luminance (quantity of 
white light) proceed on a scale from no light to 100 per cent. 
illumination by all colors, with all the visible colors in equal 
proportion at every point of the scale. The point is that despite the 
fact that there is a gradation in the grey scale, it does not prevent us 
>from  knowing (and making practical use of our knowledge of) the 
differences between black, grey and white.

When dealing with chromatic differences (wavelength of light), a similar 
lack of boundaries also applies, and yet it is still quite useful in a 
number of different applications to distinguish between red, green, and 
blue, et cetera. I think that the engineers at Sony Corporation would get 
a good laugh if you informed them that the color-splitting (segregating!) 
prisms in their video cameras were of no use whatever because, since 
there is no clearly-defined boundary between green and blue, green and 
blue really do not exist and no distinctions may legitimately be drawn 
between them.



> But we're discussing *human skin color* here, not your box of crayolas.


No, not really. We're discussing human races or subspecies here, which in 
_some_ cases have differing skin colors and have popular names derived 
>from  those skin colors.

The claim has been advanced that since human races grade into one another 
at their peripheries, race as a concept is fundamentally useless. By 
using the examples of colors and bodies of water, I showed that such a 
claim has very little merit.


....
> 
> > The "liberals" have no trouble defining races when it comes to handing
> > out other people's money, but they make much of their imagined inability
> > to define the White race.
> 
> What the hell are you babbling about???
> 


The "liberals" in America support something called by the quite Orwellian 
name of "Affirmative Action" (sort of like calling tobacco subsidies 
"Definite Progress" or calling weapons research "Higher Development").

"Affirmative Action" entails giving special preference in promotions, 
hiring, school admissions, scholarships and other valuable societal 
commodities to non-Whites in government institutions, and, through a 
tortured series of legal tricks, private ones as well.

I assure you that when an applicant is ascertained to be White, whether 
by physical observation or by self-description on a form, it has a 
definite effect on the standards applied to his case. No controversy is 
then attached to the existence of race or a particular race, and the 
goodies are handed out to the favored groups without a peep from the 
"there is no such thing as the White race" crowd.



> > The real definition of a race or people is the definition used by that
> > people.
> 
> The real definition of "people", yes. But "race" is defined somewhat
> differently by biologists: If two creatures can produce fertile offspring,
> they belong to the same race.
> 


Doubly wrong.

1. In terms of taking action for their own survival, there is no 
practical difference between race-consciousness on the part of a 
substantial portion of a race determined to survive, and a similar 
consciousness among members of a smaller subdivision thinking of itself 
as a people.

2. "If two creatures can produce fertile offspring, they belong to the 
same race" is absurdly untrue. One definition of _species_ runs roughly 
the same as that statement, but _race_ is by definition synonymous with 
subspecies. For example, if memory serves, there exist in North America 
two races (subspecies) of Rufous-Sided Towhees, the red-eyed race and the 
white-eyed race. If these two races cross, they, of course, produce 
fertile offspring.



> > A people consisting of members who believe in "equality" and the
> > nonexistence of races will, thankfully, soon cease to exist.
> 
> Why?
> 


The peoples of the Earth are now, and always have been, competing for 
land and resources. This competition can take many forms; invasion, 
conquest, invention of new weapons or medicines or methods of sustenance, 
propaganda, and sheer biomass, among many others.

The purpose of the competition is for each kind to continue to exist. It 
is the elemental question of "to be or not to be" that has faced every 
creature since immutable Destiny forged the first self-replicating 
molecules.

As healthy individuals have as their categorical imperative the _will to 
live_, absent which they will surely die prematurely; so too healthy 
peoples cleave to and love their own kind and wish passionately for their 
kind to survive and continue into the future. Absent such a motivation, a 
race or nation would be quickly absorbed or overrun and would not long 
grace the planet.

"Roman? What's that? We call ourselves Romans, but what does that mean, 
really? I don't know. Anyone can be a Roman now. I don't care one whit if 
a person's a Roman or not. Hell, I'm a mutt myself. People are the same 
all over." How long would this hypothetical Rome last with such an 
attitude among its people? For "Roman," read "American" or "Frenchman" or 
"Norwegian."

So I can confidently predict that the White race of the future, if it 
survives, will have few members descended from present-day "liberals."



> > The White race consists of the descendants of those people who replaced
> > the Neanderthals in Europe and surrounding territories, and who did not
> > mix with other races subsequently. This would encompass the founding
> > stock of all European nationalities, as well as those of the same race
> > who have occupied other territories.
> 
> Gee, that sounds quite simple and clear, almost: Does this include the Greeks?
> The Italians? The Turks? The Slavs? If not, why?
> 


If they are of European descent, yes. But you must remember that, 
unfortunately, nationality and race do not always coincide and Hottentots 
may be found in London. Like mice living in a stable, however, their 
location does not magically transform them into horses.



> Are you aware that most of the people living in the Americas today (excepting
> the most recent immigrants) have ancestors who "mixed with other races"?


If you are talking about North and South America considered as a whole, 
I am not surprised. If you are talking only about the United States of 
America, please cite your source for this amazing claim.



> Chances are there's a "black" or a "redskin" somewhere in your family tree,
> Kevin.
> 


Really? Your knowledge of my family tree amazes me. Please elucidate, 
remembering that I have traced my ancestors back to Norway and the only 
thing I found in the woodpile was a Swede a few generations back. My 
mother has done quite a bit of work on my family's geneology and I am 
sure that your special knowledge would be of great assistance to her.

To leap from a possibly true statement about the preponderance of 
mestizos in the Americas, to the details of my family tree, about which 
you have no knowledge whatsoever, is so absurd that your more intelligent 
comperes must be wincing. I might state with equal validity that, since 
the population of Eurasia is predominantly Mongoloid, Margaret Thatcher 
surely has a Vietnamese or Korean in her family tree.



> > But Mr. Whitaker's definition is more pithy -- the White race consists of
> > the people against whom the genocidal "equality" campaign is now
> > directed.
> 
> "Genocide"? Don't make me laugh. How many "whites" have been gassed to death
> so far?
> 
>         C. Lund, Oslo   http://www.ifi.uio.no/~christop/shame.html


Gassing, of course, is not the only way that a people can be eliminated.

I am no supporter of the "United Nations," but I suggest that you read 
their definition of genocide.

The following quote is from the United Nations "Genocide Convention":

"Acts Constituting Genocide

"Article II

"In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts 
committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, 
ethnic, racial or religious group, as such:

"(a) Killing members of the group;

"(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;

"(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated 
to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;

"(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent  births within the group;

"(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group."

I could deal with each category of genocide at length, especially the 
mental harm caused by redefining the natural racial feelings of White 
people as "evil" "racism," but this message is already too long and too 
discursive.

In my opinion, the false philosophies of multiracialism and "equality," 
which have been assiduously promoted for the last several decades in the 
nations of the West, have been from the very beginning calculated to 
bring about conditions of life which would cause the physical destruction 
of the European race, in part if not totally.

Even establishment publications like _Time_ magazine admit that the 
result of current policies will be the drastic reduction in the White 
percentage of the population in the next few decades. And the natural 
result of immigration of non-Whites with higher birthrates into European 
nations with low or negative growth will be an eventual supplanting of 
the Europeans by others, no matter what the proportions are at the 
beginning of the invasion. If there is not a haven established for Whites 
somewhere on this globe, we will perish.

Whenever such a haven is proposed, its proponents are denounced by the 
establishment and its sycophant media, where they are not actually 
arrested and charged criminally for their "crime" of resisting the 
destruction of their people.

Yes, it _is_ genocide.

With happy Labor Day wishes to all,

-- 


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From ka_strom@ix.netcom.com Tue Aug 27 12:48:06 PDT 1996
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Douglas Smith wrote:
> 
> In article <321CAE15.298@ix.netcom.com> Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:...
> 
> O.K.  So your point is what?  Look, I won't argue the stats with you, because some of
> what you stated above regarding rates of crime is true.  However, with the exception
> of homicide and forcible rape, whites commit far more crime in the U.S. than blacks
> do.  Of the people arrested for crime in the United States in 1993, 66.9% were white,
> 31.1% were black.  This means out of the population of criminals arrested in 1993,
> two-thirds were white.  This also means that, in theory, crime would only be reduced
> by one-third if we got rid of blacks, but by two-thirds if we got rid of whites.


If one third of all crimes are committed by a group that constitutes 13 
per cent. of the population, that means that in areas where that group is 
near 100 per cent. of the population, crime could be expected to be three 
times as high. (The 87 figure below is "everybody except Blacks.")

67/87 = .77    33/13 = 2.538    2.538/.77 = 3.296


>  In
> 1993, 883,966 blacks were arrested for crimes committed in the U.S.  This amounts to
> .03% of the entire population of blacks in the U.S.  This means that 99.97% of blacks
> were not arrested for crime in the U.S., does it not?


No. Your math is off by a factor of 100.

You stated that 883,966 Blacks were arrested in 1993 for crimes committed 
in the United States. About 32 million Blacks reside within U.S. borders. 
Simple estimation should tell you that almost a million is about three 
per cent. of 32 million. Let's do the math:

883,966/32,000,000 = .0276    ...which is roughly 3 per cent., not .03 
per cent.

So in any given year, about three per cent. of American Blacks are 
arrested, and 97 per cent. are not arrested. It would be interesting to 
know what percentage of the Black population is arrested within a 
decade's span, but I know of no source for such data.



> 
> I'm not going say that the picture is pretty for black Americans arrested for crime.
> But I do take exception at your attempts to characterize blacks as extremely crime
> prone.  They are not.  


Oh, that's a matter of definition. But they do commit crimes at much 
higher rates than White people -- not just a few percent higher, but many 
_multiples_ (hundreds of per cent.) higher. That is a matter of fact. In 
fact, the statistics fully support the idea that _no race_ in the United 
States is more crime-prone than Blacks.


> Nor do they commit the majority of crimes in the U.S.  The
> rates at which they commit crimes are higher.  Is this evidence of some innate
> criminality as you are trying to suggest?  Hardly.  If only .03% of all blacks in the
> U.S. are arrested from year to year, I think you'd have a difficult time making that
> case.
> 


When your math is off by a factor of 100, it is easy to draw the wrong 
conclusions.

That's alright though, I am sure you didn't do it on purpose.


Happy calculating,

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Eugene Holman wrote:
> 
> In article <321CEB07.6EAE@ix.netcom.com>, Kevin Alfred Strom
>  wrote:
> 
> > Since there is no sharp dividing line between black and white -- or
> > indeed between green and red, or indigo and infrared for that matter --
> > then we ought to put the names of all colors in quotation marks.
> > Furthermore, since there is no sharp dividing line between the colors,
> > colors really do not exist at all and no decisions whatever can be made
> > based upon the alleged "color" of any object.
> >
> 
> Colors do not have any independent existence, they are the artefacts of
> linguistic classificatory systems. Every anthropologist and linguist knows
> that languages break the spectrum down into 'colors' in radically
> different ways, no one of which can be singled out as 'correct'....


Since we agree, I hope, that what we are talking about is the wavelength 
of light, and that light of differing wavelengths must be segregated 
within certain limits for various processes such as color videography to 
take place properly, bringing up the names used by various languages to 
describe these wavelengths is interesting -- but not too relevant to the 
point I was making. The point is that the names describe, even if 
imperfectly, something that exists in the real world, _even if 
clearly-defined boundaries are absent or cannot be agreed upon_.

Of course, the people who originated the names for these colors didn't 
know anything about light waves, electromagnetism, or the concept of 
wavelength, but their classification system sufficed for many purposes 
and formed the basis for further understanding and experimentation, not 
to mention great art.

Similarly, we are only beginning to understand the genetic basis of 
racial and individual differences. I freely acknowledge that someday in 
the future, if enough intelligent people continue to be born, our 
understanding of genetics will be -- compared to what we know today -- as 
your brain is to that of a hamster.

Until then, we will have to use the admittedly imperfect classificatory 
systems we have now in our efforts to protect the unique characteristics 
of the various races.


  
> 
> Similarly, no serious person would argue that racial differences do not
> exist. The problem is how to build up a classification that has some claim
> to scientific validity. Your 'typical' Chinese and your 'typical'
> Indonesian differ from one another with respect to skin color as much as a
> 'typical' Dane and a 'typical' Mauritanian. Yet, eye shape is used as the
> criterion by which the Chinese and Indonesian are both classified as
> 'Asian', while skin color is used as the one by which the Dane is
> classified as 'Caucasian', but the 'Mauritanian' as 'African' or 'Negro'.
> It is this kind of inconsistency that makes anyone with half a brain
> recoil when they see statements to the effect that Asians are
> intellectually superior to Europeans.
> 


Until we are able to make comparisons at the DNA level, we will have to 
make comparisons of morphological, chemical, and other currently 
measurable differences between human subspecies. The fact that subspecies 
boundaries are subject to disagreement among scientists and others does 
not negate the existence of distinct human types with differing talents, 
proclivities, and other qualities.

And it certainly does not alter the fact that all peoples coalesce and 
define themselves in terms of kinship, or that this kinship-bond is the 
defining quality that distinguishes all healthy nations. This 
self-definition has been adequate to produce the races and nations of Man 
as we have known them throughout history, all of which predate the 
scientific method by millennia.

Something is happening, and it is called speciation. It manifests itself 
through natural racial feelings. Those feelings (when expressed by White 
people) are deemed "evil" by the current elite in the United States, 
which opposes with all its might and deception the self-determination of 
the European race anywhere in the world.


> White Americans with roots overwhelmingly in North Western-Europe, seem to
> be distressingly unaware of the swarthy-skinned ethnic Europeans of
> Bulgaria, Greece, Turkey, Armenia, Georgia, Romania, etc. I have met
> dozens of Bulgarians and Romanians with the same skin color as mine (I am
> a black American of medium hue). Some of these people have blue eyes,
> narrow noses, and relatively straight hair, but many lack one or more of
> these subsidiary classificatory 'racial' features. As long as you look at
> 'whiteness' from the standpoint of north-western Europe, you regard these
> really swarthy types as 'marginal cases'. If, however, you use Bulgaria or
> Romania as your starting point, things will be more difficult.
> 


I have also met dozens -- if not hundreds -- of southern and southeastern 
Europeans and have never met one as dark-skinned as you, if your on-line 
photograph accurately records your appearance. The ones you describe do 
indeed sound like marginal types, even if measured by the standards used 
by the natives of Bucharest or Sofiya.



> So, Mr. Strom, wouldn't it more honest to speak of 'ethnicity', something
> which has easily determined boundaries, rather than race, and say that you
> take pride in the achievements of people representing north-western
> European ethnicity. (Even if their accomplishments also include genocide,
> ethnic cleansing, and the 'final solution').
> 


The "equality" crowd seem determined to ensure that there will never be 
an exclusive territory for White people, or even for a subset 
("ethnicity") of White people. So I doubt that such a redefinition would 
have any effect whatsoever except to exclude as my potential allies many 
of my race which I would prefer to include.



> > The White race consists of the descendants of those people who replaced
> > the Neanderthals in Europe and surrounding territories, and who did not
> > mix with other races subsequently. This would encompass the founding
> > stock of all European nationalities, as well as those of the same race
> > who have occupied other territories.
> >
>  This did not happen over night, but took place over a space of thousands
> of years, with different waves of invaders, each with different histories
> of 'race' mixing, eventually out-competing the Neanderthals, but probably
> also having sexual liaisons with them (in a hopeless competitive situation
> the Neanderthals must have also understood the power aspects of sex).


You speculate plausibly, but even if your speculations are correct, it 
remains indisputably true that one race replaced another in Europe. The 
descendants of the better-adapted and little-changed conquerors still 
live there today, and are known to all but quibblers as Europeans or 
Whites. Neanderthal hybrids are confined mainly to the universities (so 
named because they exist in a universe quite separate from the universe 
of reality which the rest of us inhabit); otherwise they left little 
trace and may be confidently declared to be extinct.



> History is not a neat line, but rather a chaotic sequence of evolution,
> chance, and centers of innovation. Given that all humans originated in
> Africa, and that almost the entire present day population of Europe
> entered the continent through the south  east during the course of several
> millennia, it would be absurd to speak of 'not mixing with other races'.
....


The "Out of Africa" model may someday be proved correct -- or discarded 
-- but all human races undoubtedly branched, somehow, from a common 
ancestor. No one, except the wilfully ignorant, doubts that today. So 
there is, of course, no such thing as a pure race if by that you mean one 
utterly unrelated to other human races.

But the environment selects and molds and purifies in the sense of 
creating new races and eventually new species, each with its own unique 
destiny on this mysterious and wonderful planet. And the environment 
survived by the prehistoric Europeans was a severe and special one 
indeed, one that molded the race that is reaching its hesitant hands into 
space.

By our actions we can stop the speciation process, or at least retard it 
by millennia, by encouraging miscegenation among the races, in effect 
killing off the European and probably other minority races. That is what 
the current rulers of the West are doing now. We could also choose the 
opposite path, and accelerate the process by which we arose from the 
primordial slime, and set our sights upon the stars.

With best wishes to all for a Happy Holiday,

-- 


Kevin Alfred Strom

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Eugene Holman wrote:
> 
> In article <321CEB07.6EAE@ix.netcom.com>, Kevin Alfred Strom
>  wrote:
> 
> > Since there is no sharp dividing line between black and white -- or
> > indeed between green and red, or indigo and infrared for that matter --
> > then we ought to put the names of all colors in quotation marks.
> > Furthermore, since there is no sharp dividing line between the colors,
> > colors really do not exist at all and no decisions whatever can be made
> > based upon the alleged "color" of any object.
> >
> 
> Colors do not have any independent existence, they are the artefacts of
> linguistic classificatory systems. Every anthropologist and linguist knows
> that languages break the spectrum down into 'colors' in radically
> different ways, no one of which can be singled out as 'correct'....


Since we agree, I hope, that what we are talking about is the wavelength 
of light, and that light of differing wavelengths must be segregated 
within certain limits for various processes such as color videography to 
take place properly, bringing up the names used by various languages to 
describe these wavelengths is interesting -- but not too relevant to the 
point I was making. The point is that the names describe, even if 
imperfectly, something that exists in the real world, _even if 
clearly-defined boundaries are absent or cannot be agreed upon_.

Of course, the people who originated the names for these colors didn't 
know anything about light waves, electromagnetism, or the concept of 
wavelength, but their classification system sufficed for many purposes 
and formed the basis for further understanding and experimentation, not 
to mention great art.

Similarly, we are only beginning to understand the genetic basis of 
racial and individual differences. I freely acknowledge that someday in 
the future, if enough intelligent people continue to be born, our 
understanding of genetics will be -- compared to what we know today -- as 
your brain is to that of a hamster.

Until then, we will have to use the admittedly imperfect classificatory 
systems we have now in our efforts to protect the unique characteristics 
of the various races.


  
> 
> Similarly, no serious person would argue that racial differences do not
> exist. The problem is how to build up a classification that has some claim
> to scientific validity. Your 'typical' Chinese and your 'typical'
> Indonesian differ from one another with respect to skin color as much as a
> 'typical' Dane and a 'typical' Mauritanian. Yet, eye shape is used as the
> criterion by which the Chinese and Indonesian are both classified as
> 'Asian', while skin color is used as the one by which the Dane is
> classified as 'Caucasian', but the 'Mauritanian' as 'African' or 'Negro'.
> It is this kind of inconsistency that makes anyone with half a brain
> recoil when they see statements to the effect that Asians are
> intellectually superior to Europeans.
> 


Until we are able to make comparisons at the DNA level, we will have to 
make comparisons of morphological, chemical, and other currently 
measurable differences between human subspecies. The fact that subspecies 
boundaries are subject to disagreement among scientists and others does 
not negate the existence of distinct human types with differing talents, 
proclivities, and other qualities.

And it certainly does not alter the fact that all peoples coalesce and 
define themselves in terms of kinship, or that this kinship-bond is the 
defining quality that distinguishes all healthy nations. This 
self-definition has been adequate to produce the races and nations of Man 
as we have known them throughout history, all of which predate the 
scientific method by millennia.

Something is happening, and it is called speciation. It manifests itself 
through natural racial feelings. Those feelings (when expressed by White 
people) are deemed "evil" by the current elite in the United States, 
which opposes with all its might and deception the self-determination of 
the European race anywhere in the world.


> White Americans with roots overwhelmingly in North Western-Europe, seem to
> be distressingly unaware of the swarthy-skinned ethnic Europeans of
> Bulgaria, Greece, Turkey, Armenia, Georgia, Romania, etc. I have met
> dozens of Bulgarians and Romanians with the same skin color as mine (I am
> a black American of medium hue). Some of these people have blue eyes,
> narrow noses, and relatively straight hair, but many lack one or more of
> these subsidiary classificatory 'racial' features. As long as you look at
> 'whiteness' from the standpoint of north-western Europe, you regard these
> really swarthy types as 'marginal cases'. If, however, you use Bulgaria or
> Romania as your starting point, things will be more difficult.
> 


I have also met dozens -- if not hundreds -- of southern and southeastern 
Europeans and have never met one as dark-skinned as you, if your on-line 
photograph accurately records your appearance. The ones you describe do 
indeed sound like marginal types, even if measured by the standards used 
by the natives of Bucharest or Sofiya.



> So, Mr. Strom, wouldn't it more honest to speak of 'ethnicity', something
> which has easily determined boundaries, rather than race, and say that you
> take pride in the achievements of people representing north-western
> European ethnicity. (Even if their accomplishments also include genocide,
> ethnic cleansing, and the 'final solution').
> 


The "equality" crowd seem determined to ensure that there will never be 
an exclusive territory for White people, or even for a subset 
("ethnicity") of White people. So I doubt that such a redefinition would 
have any effect whatsoever except to exclude as my potential allies many 
of my race which I would prefer to include.



> > The White race consists of the descendants of those people who replaced
> > the Neanderthals in Europe and surrounding territories, and who did not
> > mix with other races subsequently. This would encompass the founding
> > stock of all European nationalities, as well as those of the same race
> > who have occupied other territories.
> >
>  This did not happen over night, but took place over a space of thousands
> of years, with different waves of invaders, each with different histories
> of 'race' mixing, eventually out-competing the Neanderthals, but probably
> also having sexual liaisons with them (in a hopeless competitive situation
> the Neanderthals must have also understood the power aspects of sex).


You speculate plausibly, but even if your speculations are correct, it 
remains indisputably true that one race replaced another in Europe. The 
descendants of the better-adapted and little-changed conquerors still 
live there today, and are known to all but quibblers as Europeans or 
Whites. Neanderthal hybrids are confined mainly to the universities (so 
named because they exist in a universe quite separate from the universe 
of reality which the rest of us inhabit); otherwise they left little 
trace and may be confidently declared to be extinct.



> History is not a neat line, but rather a chaotic sequence of evolution,
> chance, and centers of innovation. Given that all humans originated in
> Africa, and that almost the entire present day population of Europe
> entered the continent through the south  east during the course of several
> millennia, it would be absurd to speak of 'not mixing with other races'.
....


The "Out of Africa" model may someday be proved correct -- or discarded 
-- but all human races undoubtedly branched, somehow, from a common 
ancestor. No one, except the wilfully ignorant, doubts that today. So 
there is, of course, no such thing as a pure race if by that you mean one 
utterly unrelated to other human races.

But the environment selects and molds and purifies in the sense of 
creating new races and eventually new species, each with its own unique 
destiny on this mysterious and wonderful planet. And the environment 
survived by the prehistoric Europeans was a severe and special one 
indeed, one that molded the race that is reaching its hesitant hands into 
space.

By our actions we can stop the speciation process, or at least retard it 
by millennia, by encouraging miscegenation among the races, in effect 
killing off the European and probably other minority races. That is what 
the current rulers of the West are doing now. We could also choose the 
opposite path, and accelerate the process by which we arose from the 
primordial slime, and set our sights upon the stars.

With best wishes to all for a Happy Holiday,

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Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
> 
> In article <321E348C.7966@ix.netcom.com>, Kevin Alfred Strom
>  wrote:
> 
> > Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
> > > ...
> > > The point is: if you are going to solve the world's problems by separating
> > > the races, how _exactly_ do you intend to decide who is of what race? I
> > > think that a future Ruler of Mankind ought to be able to answer a simple
> > > question like that. But then, perhaps I hold my despots to higher
> > > standards than you do...
> > >
> > > JGB
> > > ...
> >
> > I have no desire, inclination, or aspiration to be a "Ruler of Mankind,"
> > especially as it is presently constituted. I would be satisfied with
> > self-description, especially considering that all "anti-racists," like
> > you, wouldn't want to live in a racial state anyway and would be in your
> > own multiracial state.
> 
> Note carefully that Strom, while replying to the message, fails utterly to
> answer the question of how he intends to determine who is of what race.


No, I answered you that self-description was completely acceptable. After 
all, a signed statement that one is of European descent and of good moral 
character is good enough for membership in the National Alliance, is it 
not?


> Nor does he make any attempt to answer the other questions in my post,
> which he was deliberately careful _not_ to quote. Here they are again, for
> Strom to ignore again:
> 
>   > Which definition are you actually going to use, come the revolution?
>   > One of these, or the one based on one's ancestors having "replaced
>   > the Neanderthals" that you gave in another post? Those of us who are
>   > destined to live under your benevolent regime would really like to
>   > know.
>   >
>   > How will a specific individual's membership in "the Caucasoid ethnic
>   > division of mankind" be established? How will "reduced pigmentation"
>   > be determined? You really do have to settle these questions, you
>   > know, before you can decide who gets to live in your Mighty Whitey
>   > Cloud-Cuckoo Land.
> 


My answer, given above for at least the second time, is fully responsive 
to your questions. I would also add that every reference work I and 
others have cited is in substantial agreement on this topic.



> One can only wonder why Strom, perhaps the most articulate "White" Power
> advocate on Usenet, cannot tell us with any certainty who is "White".
> 
> JGB...


Thank you for the nice compliment, Jeffrey. It really is a wonderful 
world.

With good wishes to all,


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From ka_strom@ix.netcom.com Sat Aug 31 10:04:12 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Was Gerhard Lauck Framed By Anti-Racists?
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Joel Rosenberg wrote:
> 
> In article  qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman "OBC") writes:
> 
> >        Yes, we have heard the tragic and disgusting news that Gerhard Lauck
> >has received four years in prison. This is a genuine human rights violation
> >and a disgrace to both the German and American governments.
> 
> He was extradited by Germany from Denmark, and convicted of violating German
> laws.
> 
> Why this should be a disgrace to the American government -- or involve the
> American government -- is something perhaps only evident to somebody who has
> awarded himself an honor that he has not earned.
> ...

Mr. Lauck is an American citizen. He was "convicted" of exercising his 
right to free speech.

It is as if I had criticized the Chinese Communists in print or on the 
Internet from my home in the U.S.; and then when travelling to Singapore 
I was arrested and "extradited" to China where I was sentenced to a long 
prison term for my statements.

It is a disgrace to the American government because, for political 
reasons, the current regime has not seen fit to lift a hand or even open 
its mouth against this outrage. I seem to recall quite a different 
attitude when an American juvenile delinquent was going to have his 
bottom whipped a few times in Asia.

Do you, Mr. Rosenberg, advocate or condone the imprisonment of those with 
whom you disagree, as your post seems to imply?

With all good wishes,

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Andy Walton wrote:
> 
> In article <3222B83A.5AB8@ix.netcom.com>, Kevin Alfred Strom
>  wrote:
> 
>   :When dealing with chromatic differences (wavelength of light), a similar
>   :lack of boundaries also applies, and yet it is still quite useful in a
>   :number of different applications to distinguish between red, green, and
>   :blue, et cetera. I think that the engineers at Sony Corporation would get
>   :a good laugh if you informed them that the color-splitting (segregating!)
>   :prisms in their video cameras were of no use whatever because, since
>   :there is no clearly-defined boundary between green and blue, green and
>   :blue really do not exist and no distinctions may legitimately be drawn
>   :between them.
> 
> Fine. If you are goint to draw such distinctions based on reflective
> qualities of skin, then post precise criteria. There are 16+ million
> variants on the scale from 000000 (black) to FFFFFF (white, expressed as
> RR GG BB in hexadecimal). Racial boundaries can be defined -- but those
> definitions are invariably subjective, and have invariably, in this forum,
> taken the "I know it when I see it" approach. That is unconscionably vague
> as a legal standard.
> 


Of course, in this reference to color I was not talking about skin color 
at all. I was talking about the absurdity of denying the reality of 
biological race (or any category of things without "hard-edged" 
boundaries) just because its definitional boundaries are subject to some 
dispute.



>   :The claim has been advanced that since human races grade into one another
>   :at their peripheries, race as a concept is fundamentally useless. By
>   :using the examples of colors and bodies of water, I showed that such a
>   :claim has very little merit.
> 
> Your 'bodies of water' analogy was weak and counterproductive from the
> get-go. The same H2O molecules pass from the Gulf of Mexico to the
> Carribean Sea to the Atlantic Ocean (and even to the Pacific and Indian
> oceans, via the Panama Canal) without any change in their essential
> nature. The waters are identical. The distinctions are geographic,
> temporary, and arbitrary. the differences in current, salinity, and
> temperature are entirely the product of environment. This analogy does
> more against your cause than for it.
> ...


Again, any analogy has its limits, and you wildly misunderstand me once 
again. As with the color analogy, the point is that a mountain brook is 
different in many important ways from the Atlantic Ocean despite the fact 
that the boundaries that separate the two are, if you will forgive my 
putting it this way, somewhat fluid.

But since you insist on this degree of literalness, and since I like to 
have lots of fun, may I add that _all_ genetic differences between all 
beings on this planet are also the product of the environment?

Also, if you look at the long-term picture, virtually all species are 
"geographic" and "temporary," and even "arbitrary" not only in the space 
dimensions but also in the time dimension. (Could _homo erectus_ have 
produced viable and fertile offspring with _homo neanderthalis_? Where is 
the "boundary" between these two species?) None of this changes the fact 
that water with a current of 100 knots and a temperature of 33 degrees F. 
must be dealt with somewhat differently than the water in your daughter's 
wading pool, and it is useful to have different names to convey the 
differences.

In addition, like the atoms comprising a river, the atoms that comprise 
my body and yours are largely replaced after a period of years, and so it 
may be said that you and I are quite different persons than we were 
twenty years ago. I am sure that, after these particles have departed 
>from  our bodies, they change not at all in their "essential nature." 
Nevertheless, it is extremely useful to call the atoms in their living 
organized state "Andy Walton" and the departed atoms by other names.

Happy Labor Day wishes,

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Laura Finsten wrote:
> ...
> 
> It is important to note that there are *many* differing classifications
> which attempt to simplify human biological variation by grouping people
> into "races" or other ill-defined categories.  It is also important to
> be aware that there is already available considerable *genetic* information
> on variation with the human species, and that this information presently
> indicates very clearly that *none* of the existing "racial" classifications
> does justice to the *either* existing variation within individual groups
> identified as "races" by any of these schemes, OR to the tremendous
> degree of similarity among the various groups so identified.
> 


I am sure that there are also "tremendous" similarities between the 
various subspecies of bluebirds and chipmunks, and I am equally sure that 
none of the existing systems of subspecific division of these species 
"does justice" to the actual genetic differences between them.

If two populations of chipmunks are granted subspecies status, though 
they differ only in an altitude preference of a few hundred yards and in 
markings not discernible at a distance of more than five feet, and though 
they can interbreed freely; then why would Australoids and Mongoloids not 
also be granted assignment to separate subspecies?



> ...
> 
> You are misrepresenting the current state of human biology and human
> population genetics by implying, erroneously, that there is broad
> agreement that subspecies exist  This simply is *not true*.
> 


It is undeniable that the words "race" and "subspecies" (or, for that 
matter, "variety") are synonyms, and that many scientists and laymen use 
them interchangably. You are right that a consensus is now lacking on 
either side of the "human subspecies" debate, and it is even possible 
that sheer numbers favor the "only one race" side. But... a presence or 
lack of a consensus does not change what exists in the real world.

If the same standards were applied to humans as to other species, there 
would be no doubt that _homo sapiens_ would be divided into several 
subspecies based on obvious morphological differences. But there is a 
reluctance, partly political and partly philosophical/religious that 
militates against this. In some cases fear might be a motivating factor. 
Here is a bit of the debate as it raged on sci.anthropology, which is 
archived presently at

http://www.anatomy.su.oz.au/danny/anthropology/sci.anthropology/archive/september-1995/0294.html

and connected links:

---begin quoted message---

Homo Sapiens needs to be classified in
sub species.

Jong (jong@mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk)
1 Sep 1995 23:00:55 GMT 

      
The genetic and phenotypic differences between so called
races maybe big enough to sub classify the human species.
While we subdivide various other species into sub species,
due to political and social worries, anthropologists are failing
to do it. As there is inconsistency in making subspecies 
due to real difficulty and simple lack of coordination between
classifiers the issue does not necessarily mean people tabooed
it. Also, the population seems to be more open to interethnic
marriage due to recent geographical and socioeconomical factors. 
Even so, anthropology should be able to provide information
on the differences between group's people. 

Jong.

---begin next quoted message---

Re: Homo Sapiens needs to be classified
in sub species.

Gerold Firl (geroldf@sdd.hp.com)
7 Sep 1995 13:28:10 -0700 

 

In article <428o9d$6u0@sun.lclark.edu> adunn@sun.lclark.edu (Allan Dunn) 
writes:

> I wonder why it would be useful at all? If anyone has insight on 
>this I would like to know.

To me, the most useful information which could be gained by a thorough
understanding of human races (where race is synonomous with biological
subspecies) is the resulting insight into our evolutionary past. The
current pattern of human races (muddied as it is by massive mixing) is a
map of both gene flow and the movement of peoples. In trying to piece
together our history, this is vital data.

It's good that people have a social conscience, and are concerned about 
the
possible misuse of knowledge. But I think that attempting to claim that
race among humans is purely a social fiction is an absurd over-reaction.
Anyone with any knowledge of evolutionary biology can clearly see that
there are human subspecies. Attempting to enforce an ideological 
gag-order
on such people is orwellian doublethink. On the other hand, telling
xenophobic racists that their mania has no scientific basis is equally
futile; anyone who uses race as a primary classification tool for their
interactions with other individuals will not be concerned about getting
their science straight.

I suppose this ideological campaign is really aimed at the people in the
middle, those who don't have enough evolutionary biology to understand 
what
a subspecies is, and who are not mired in an ideology which depends on
racist notions of superiority/inferiority. But however noble your goal 
may
be, using disinformation to sway the debate will be counterproductive in
the long run. Race does exist, but that doesn't mean we have to be 
racist.
The sooner we can drain the emotional rancor from ths debate, the sooner 
we
can get back to the more pleasant task of pursueing the science of man.

---begin next quoted message---

Re: Homo Sapiens needs to be classified
in sub species.

Gerold Firl (geroldf@sdd.hp.com)
8 Sep 1995 13:16:09 -0700 

      

In article <42nt4r$lbc@access1.digex.net> huston@access.digex.net writes:
>In article <42nkkqINNfmj@hpsdlmc1.sdd.hp.com>,
>Gerold Firl  wrote:
>}Anyone with any knowledge of evolutionary biology can clearly see that
>}there are human subspecies.

>What are their Latin names?

A fair question - no scientific consensus has ever emerged regarding the
appropriate level of differentiation between races, and thus races do not
have commonly accepted linnean designations. 

In the case of other species, say, pocket gophers, the first biologist 
who
came along with sufficient interest and time to classify the regional
varieties could apply whatever level of differentiation seemed 
appropriate.
It might eventually provoke a counter, if someone else felt that the
analysis was flawed, and cared enough to take the time, but such disputes
are carried-on at the leisurely pace of scholarly debate. The human case 
is
different.

Many classification proposals have been suggested. There are those who 
will
passionately proclaim that "there is only one human race - the human
race!". That is one extreme, the ultimate lump. A popular, and still 
overly
lumpy, in my opinion, classification uses three races: negroid, 
caucasian, 
and mongoloid. I seem to recall an attempt to more finely split h. 
sapiens
into 33 races; that is pretty far out on the extreme end of the lumper-
splitter continuum, but is by no means unjustified. Many other species 
have
been classified to similar levels of sub-speciation; the pocket gopher, 
for
example. 

So, I am saying that anyone with an understanding of evolutionary biology
(unless they have an ideological axe to grind!) can easily see that human
subspecies exist. The african pygmies are the clearest example of that. 
The
question then is where and how would the divisions be drawn; what level 
of
differentiation is appropriate? Again, a fair question. It depends on 
what
you're interested in. Anthropology, the science of man, which examines 
all
aspects of the human condition, benefits from an understanding of even
subtle differences between human populations. As we see from evolutionary
biology, over long periods of time, even subtle differences can produce
significant divergance. Thus I would argue that shying away from the 
issue 
of human race is an act of abdication, a retreat from a legitimate aspect 
of
study as a result of political pressure. I support the idea of an ethical
foundation to work; anthropologists must follow their conscience, as must
all of us. I'm saying that this should not be an "ethical" issue; race is 
a
biological fact, and must be treated as such. I don't like the idea of 
race
being used as a political tool, either, but that is a different issue
entirely. Pretending that race doesn't exist simply won't help anything.

---begin next quoted message---

Re: Homo Sapiens needs to be classified
in sub species.

Scott Sellers (sds@crash.cts.com)
Wed, 13 Sep 1995 03:45:57 GMT 



In article <42nkkqINNfmj@hpsdlmc1.sdd.hp.com>, geroldf@sdd.hp.com says...
>
>In article <428o9d$6u0@sun.lclark.edu> adunn@sun.lclark.edu (Allan Dunn) writes:
>
>> I wonder why it would be useful at all? If anyone has insight on 
>>this I would like to know.
>
>To me, the most useful information which could be gained by a thorough
>understanding of human races (where race is synonomous with biological
>subspecies) is the resulting insight into our evolutionary past. The
>current pattern of human races (muddied as it is by massive mixing) is a
>map of both gene flow and the movement of peoples. In trying to piece
>together our history, this is vital data.
>

It seems odd to speak of "our" evolutionary past while at the same time 
attempting to 
divide humans along evolutionary lines. If the focus is upon the 
differentiation of 
human subspecies, wouldn't differentiated terms be more appropriate? Of 
course, that 
would be part of the task. And can we really speak of "our" history if we 
are divided 
into unmuddied (pure?) races? How about, say, "our" history and "their" 
history.

>It's good that people have a social conscience, and are concerned about the
>possible misuse of knowledge. But I think that attempting to claim that
>race among humans is purely a social fiction is an absurd over-reaction.

I agree. Race is not "purely" a social fiction. However, I'd say the 
preponderance of 
the uses of "race" as a category in human history, past AND present, have 
been, and 
are, social fiction.

>Anyone with any knowledge of evolutionary biology can clearly see that
>there are human subspecies. 

So can anyone with any racist theory.

>Attempting to enforce an ideological gag-order
>on such people is orwellian doublethink. On the other hand, telling
>xenophobic racists that their mania has no scientific basis is equally
>futile; anyone who uses race as a primary classification tool for their
>interactions with other individuals will not be concerned about getting
>their science straight.

Again, I agree. Right-thinking xenophobic racists' usually rely directly 
upon the Word 
of God to back their positions. Not that they will pass on the odd bit of 
science, 
psuedo or otherwise. Hitler claimed a sound scientific basis for his 
racial theories. 
Even if your "pure science" approach arrives at a conclusion that is 
value neutral 
regarding the various "subspecies," just think how certain scholars will 
misinterpret, 
amplify, or flat out misrepresent it.

>
>I suppose this ideological campaign is really aimed at the people in the
>middle, those who don't have enough evolutionary biology to understand what
>a subspecies is, and who are not mired in an ideology which depends on
>racist notions of superiority/inferiority. 

I'd say most people would not limit their conception of human subspecies 
to the hard 
biological science you might come up with. Probably enough people to make 
a plurality 
in, say, the U.S.A. today. And while the "people in the middle" may not 
currently be 
"mired" in racist ideology, I wouldn't consider them unsusceptible to 
such. See 
Germany, 1930's-40's, or the Deep South, Slavery era, or the former 
Yugoslavia today.

>But however noble your goal may
>be, using disinformation to sway the debate will be counterproductive in
>the long run. Race does exist, but that doesn't mean we have to be racist.
>The sooner we can drain the emotional rancor from ths debate, the sooner we
>can get back to the more pleasant task of pursueing the science of man.

Noble? I'd say pragmatic. I wish I shared your faith that science will 
somehow out in 
the "long run." I don't. I think that people are profoundly ideological 
animals, 
science be hanged. The theory you espouse, while perhaps having some 
value in the 
pursuit of truth, would, I'm afraid, be far more significant as fodder 
for ideologies 
which reach far beyond the scope of science, into the realm of politics 
and power. 
But, go ahead. Tack up your thesis. Just watch out who yanks it down and 
runs with 
it. But, I guess that's not really your concern. Here's to pleasant 
pursuits.

---end quoted messages---


In the last post, Mr. Sellers, while acknowledging the utility of 
subspecific classes for humans, advises against their use because they 
might give credence to "racism," which he deplores.

Most illuminating.



....
> 
> 
> There is no evidence that speciation is occuring within the human species.
> Hominids, at least from the time of Homo erectus a million and a half
> years ago, have *always* been highly mobile, and high degrees of mobility
> are one of the factors which operate very strongly *against* speciation.
> Don't try to dress your racism up in biological clothing that doesn't
> fit at all, Mr. Strom.
> 


Birds are even more "highly mobile" than we are, and yet somehow they 
have managed to speciate quite nicely, dozens of times, at least.

To simplify the discussion, I will assume for the sake of argument that 
the "Out of Africa" theory of human origins is true.

Pre-humans evolved into a recognizably human form in Africa. Human groups 
then emerged to colonize the other continents. As they adapted to these 
new environments, and as a certain amount of reproductive isolation was 
entailed by the distances and obstacles involved, differences began to 
develop between these populations. They had begun to evolutionarily 
diverge, or branch. They became _more different_ from each other the 
longer they were separated. This process is called speciation, whether 
the process has just begun or is complete in the sense that a new species 
has been produced. Remember, I said speciation "is happening," as in an 
ongoing process. It is a process which occurs continually in Nature, and 
which can be completed or terminated depending on the environment. It 
would be remarkable if this process did not occur in the human animal.

The racial debate really hinges on whether we should end this process or 
allow/encourage it to continue.



> [Kevin Alfred Strom stated to Eugene Holman:]
> >You speculate plausibly, but even if your speculations are correct, it
> >remains indisputably true that one race replaced another in Europe. The
> >descendants of the better-adapted and little-changed conquerors still
> >live there today, and are known to all but quibblers as Europeans or
> >Whites. Neanderthal hybrids are confined mainly to the universities (so
> >named because they exist in a universe quite separate from the universe
> >of reality which the rest of us inhabit); otherwise they left little
> >trace and may be confidently declared to be extinct.
> 
> Gee, you said you didn't think I was a Neanderthal, but now you seem
> to be lumping me in with Neanderthals, Mr. Strom, perhaps inadvertently.


Read carefully, and learn to recognize a joke when you see it.



> Why are you arguing with Mr. Holman in such insulting terms, Mr. Strom?


No insult intended. Some of my best friends are university professors.


> In evolutionary terms, the process by which the physically distinctive
> characteristics of Neanderthals disappeared from the fossil record
> around 40,000 years ago is not at all well understood.  Your assumption
> that Homo sapiens sapiens was "better adapted" may or may not be true.


Nature seems to have given her verdict.



> Your assumption that Homo sapiens neanderthalensis was "outcompeted",
> marginalised, and driven to extinction by H.s.s. may or may not be true.
> As the geographical barriers that isolated H.s.n. populations in
> western Europe during the Wurm glaciation and led to the emergence of
> their "extreme" physical characteristics dissolved, it may simply be
> that gene flow between them and other Homo sapiens populations resumed.
> This is a possibility that cannot yet be ruled out.
> 


Sure, I suppose so. But if they had been the "better adapted" ones to the 
new conditions, we would expect to have seen their characteristics spread 
throughout the population through natural selection.



> [...]
> 
> >The "Out of Africa" model may someday be proved correct -- or discarded
> >-- but all human races undoubtedly branched, somehow, from a common
> >ancestor. No one, except the wilfully ignorant, doubts that today. So
> >there is, of course, no such thing as a pure race if by that you mean one
> >utterly unrelated to other human races.
> 
> I can't speak for Mr. Holman, but this is not what I understand by the
> term "pure race".  I understand this term to mean groups of people whose
> biological connection to other human groups is so remote that they
> are genuinely distinctive.  The concept of "pure races" implies not only
> initial divergence but continued, pretty much complete reproductive
> separation.  It implies separate genetic histories over a very long
> period of time.  None of the existing evidence from human population
> genetics supports the existence of "pure races" among humans.
> 


"So remote," "pretty much complete," "very long," etc., are all a little 
too vague for me to get a real handle on your proposed definition for 
"pure races," so I guess I will just say that I don't know exactly what 
you mean. I happily admit that all human races are related.



> >But the environment selects and molds and purifies in the sense of
> >creating new races and eventually new species, each with its own unique
> >destiny on this mysterious and wonderful planet. And the environment
> >survived by the prehistoric Europeans was a severe and special one
> >indeed, one that molded the race that is reaching its hesitant hands into
> >space.
> 
> The physical environment of Europe was no more challenging than any other
> environment.


Are you really asserting that all environments are equally challenging? 
If that were true, then retirees would not prefer Florida to Minnesota. 
Or the Riviera to Antarctica, for that matter.


> Humans have had to struggle and cope with the vagaries
> of harsh climates (if not frigid temperatures, hot ones; if not between
> seasonal extremes then between day and night extremes), with predators
> of different sorts, with perpetual scarcity and seasonal abundance
> throughout the species' history....


Then populations that have travelled the greatest distance from tropical 
Africa, their putative point of origin, and which have therefore had to 
survive a greater variety of environments, might therefore be theorized 
to have undergone a more rigorous selection process than those who stayed 
behind. An interesting thought.


> If Europe were somehow unique, one
> might wish to ask why the characteristics we generally associated with
> "high civilisation" - agriculture, the domestication of animals, the
> development of writing, the emergence of state-level political
> institutions - all arose elsewhere long, usually very long, before they
> made it to Europe via social and cultural interactions and actual
> population migrations.
> ...


The Sumerians certainly appear to be racially a part of Europe even if 
not, strictly speaking, geographically so. So migrations probably went 
both ways. No doubt, though, the various groups of Caucasians generally 
credited with creating the first civilizations were a various lot.

With all good wishes,

-- 


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Andy Walton wrote:
> 
> In article <3222B83A.5AB8@ix.netcom.com>, Kevin Alfred Strom
>  wrote:
> 
>   :When dealing with chromatic differences (wavelength of light), a similar
>   :lack of boundaries also applies, and yet it is still quite useful in a
>   :number of different applications to distinguish between red, green, and
>   :blue, et cetera. I think that the engineers at Sony Corporation would get
>   :a good laugh if you informed them that the color-splitting (segregating!)
>   :prisms in their video cameras were of no use whatever because, since
>   :there is no clearly-defined boundary between green and blue, green and
>   :blue really do not exist and no distinctions may legitimately be drawn
>   :between them.
> 
> Fine. If you are goint to draw such distinctions based on reflective
> qualities of skin, then post precise criteria. There are 16+ million
> variants on the scale from 000000 (black) to FFFFFF (white, expressed as
> RR GG BB in hexadecimal). Racial boundaries can be defined -- but those
> definitions are invariably subjective, and have invariably, in this forum,
> taken the "I know it when I see it" approach. That is unconscionably vague
> as a legal standard.
> 


Of course, in this reference to color I was not talking about skin color 
at all. I was talking about the absurdity of denying the reality of 
biological race (or any category of things without "hard-edged" 
boundaries) just because its definitional boundaries are subject to some 
dispute.



>   :The claim has been advanced that since human races grade into one another
>   :at their peripheries, race as a concept is fundamentally useless. By
>   :using the examples of colors and bodies of water, I showed that such a
>   :claim has very little merit.
> 
> Your 'bodies of water' analogy was weak and counterproductive from the
> get-go. The same H2O molecules pass from the Gulf of Mexico to the
> Carribean Sea to the Atlantic Ocean (and even to the Pacific and Indian
> oceans, via the Panama Canal) without any change in their essential
> nature. The waters are identical. The distinctions are geographic,
> temporary, and arbitrary. the differences in current, salinity, and
> temperature are entirely the product of environment. This analogy does
> more against your cause than for it.
> ...


Again, any analogy has its limits, and you wildly misunderstand me once 
again. As with the color analogy, the point is that a mountain brook is 
different in many important ways from the Atlantic Ocean despite the fact 
that the boundaries that separate the two are, if you will forgive my 
putting it this way, somewhat fluid.

But since you insist on this degree of literalness, and since I like to 
have lots of fun, may I add that _all_ genetic differences between all 
beings on this planet are also the product of the environment?

Also, if you look at the long-term picture, virtually all species are 
"geographic" and "temporary," and even "arbitrary" not only in the space 
dimensions but also in the time dimension. (Could _homo erectus_ have 
produced viable and fertile offspring with _homo neanderthalis_? Where is 
the "boundary" between these two species?) None of this changes the fact 
that water with a current of 100 knots and a temperature of 33 degrees F. 
must be dealt with somewhat differently than the water in your daughter's 
wading pool, and it is useful to have different names to convey the 
differences.

In addition, like the atoms comprising a river, the atoms that comprise 
my body and yours are largely replaced after a period of years, and so it 
may be said that you and I are quite different persons than we were 
twenty years ago. I am sure that, after these particles have departed 
>from  our bodies, they change not at all in their "essential nature." 
Nevertheless, it is extremely useful to call the atoms in their living 
organized state "Andy Walton" and the departed atoms by other names.

Happy Labor Day wishes,

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Laura Finsten wrote:
> ...
> 
> It is important to note that there are *many* differing classifications
> which attempt to simplify human biological variation by grouping people
> into "races" or other ill-defined categories.  It is also important to
> be aware that there is already available considerable *genetic* information
> on variation with the human species, and that this information presently
> indicates very clearly that *none* of the existing "racial" classifications
> does justice to the *either* existing variation within individual groups
> identified as "races" by any of these schemes, OR to the tremendous
> degree of similarity among the various groups so identified.
> 


I am sure that there are also "tremendous" similarities between the 
various subspecies of bluebirds and chipmunks, and I am equally sure that 
none of the existing systems of subspecific division of these species 
"does justice" to the actual genetic differences between them.

If two populations of chipmunks are granted subspecies status, though 
they differ only in an altitude preference of a few hundred yards and in 
markings not discernible at a distance of more than five feet, and though 
they can interbreed freely; then why would Australoids and Mongoloids not 
also be granted assignment to separate subspecies?



> ...
> 
> You are misrepresenting the current state of human biology and human
> population genetics by implying, erroneously, that there is broad
> agreement that subspecies exist  This simply is *not true*.
> 


It is undeniable that the words "race" and "subspecies" (or, for that 
matter, "variety") are synonyms, and that many scientists and laymen use 
them interchangably. You are right that a consensus is now lacking on 
either side of the "human subspecies" debate, and it is even possible 
that sheer numbers favor the "only one race" side. But... a presence or 
lack of a consensus does not change what exists in the real world.

If the same standards were applied to humans as to other species, there 
would be no doubt that _homo sapiens_ would be divided into several 
subspecies based on obvious morphological differences. But there is a 
reluctance, partly political and partly philosophical/religious that 
militates against this. In some cases fear might be a motivating factor. 
Here is a bit of the debate as it raged on sci.anthropology, which is 
archived presently at

http://www.anatomy.su.oz.au/danny/anthropology/sci.anthropology/archive/september-1995/0294.html

and connected links:

---begin quoted message---

Homo Sapiens needs to be classified in
sub species.

Jong (jong@mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk)
1 Sep 1995 23:00:55 GMT 

      
The genetic and phenotypic differences between so called
races maybe big enough to sub classify the human species.
While we subdivide various other species into sub species,
due to political and social worries, anthropologists are failing
to do it. As there is inconsistency in making subspecies 
due to real difficulty and simple lack of coordination between
classifiers the issue does not necessarily mean people tabooed
it. Also, the population seems to be more open to interethnic
marriage due to recent geographical and socioeconomical factors. 
Even so, anthropology should be able to provide information
on the differences between group's people. 

Jong.

---begin next quoted message---

Re: Homo Sapiens needs to be classified
in sub species.

Gerold Firl (geroldf@sdd.hp.com)
7 Sep 1995 13:28:10 -0700 

 

In article <428o9d$6u0@sun.lclark.edu> adunn@sun.lclark.edu (Allan Dunn) 
writes:

> I wonder why it would be useful at all? If anyone has insight on 
>this I would like to know.

To me, the most useful information which could be gained by a thorough
understanding of human races (where race is synonomous with biological
subspecies) is the resulting insight into our evolutionary past. The
current pattern of human races (muddied as it is by massive mixing) is a
map of both gene flow and the movement of peoples. In trying to piece
together our history, this is vital data.

It's good that people have a social conscience, and are concerned about 
the
possible misuse of knowledge. But I think that attempting to claim that
race among humans is purely a social fiction is an absurd over-reaction.
Anyone with any knowledge of evolutionary biology can clearly see that
there are human subspecies. Attempting to enforce an ideological 
gag-order
on such people is orwellian doublethink. On the other hand, telling
xenophobic racists that their mania has no scientific basis is equally
futile; anyone who uses race as a primary classification tool for their
interactions with other individuals will not be concerned about getting
their science straight.

I suppose this ideological campaign is really aimed at the people in the
middle, those who don't have enough evolutionary biology to understand 
what
a subspecies is, and who are not mired in an ideology which depends on
racist notions of superiority/inferiority. But however noble your goal 
may
be, using disinformation to sway the debate will be counterproductive in
the long run. Race does exist, but that doesn't mean we have to be 
racist.
The sooner we can drain the emotional rancor from ths debate, the sooner 
we
can get back to the more pleasant task of pursueing the science of man.

---begin next quoted message---

Re: Homo Sapiens needs to be classified
in sub species.

Gerold Firl (geroldf@sdd.hp.com)
8 Sep 1995 13:16:09 -0700 

      

In article <42nt4r$lbc@access1.digex.net> huston@access.digex.net writes:
>In article <42nkkqINNfmj@hpsdlmc1.sdd.hp.com>,
>Gerold Firl  wrote:
>}Anyone with any knowledge of evolutionary biology can clearly see that
>}there are human subspecies.

>What are their Latin names?

A fair question - no scientific consensus has ever emerged regarding the
appropriate level of differentiation between races, and thus races do not
have commonly accepted linnean designations. 

In the case of other species, say, pocket gophers, the first biologist 
who
came along with sufficient interest and time to classify the regional
varieties could apply whatever level of differentiation seemed 
appropriate.
It might eventually provoke a counter, if someone else felt that the
analysis was flawed, and cared enough to take the time, but such disputes
are carried-on at the leisurely pace of scholarly debate. The human case 
is
different.

Many classification proposals have been suggested. There are those who 
will
passionately proclaim that "there is only one human race - the human
race!". That is one extreme, the ultimate lump. A popular, and still 
overly
lumpy, in my opinion, classification uses three races: negroid, 
caucasian, 
and mongoloid. I seem to recall an attempt to more finely split h. 
sapiens
into 33 races; that is pretty far out on the extreme end of the lumper-
splitter continuum, but is by no means unjustified. Many other species 
have
been classified to similar levels of sub-speciation; the pocket gopher, 
for
example. 

So, I am saying that anyone with an understanding of evolutionary biology
(unless they have an ideological axe to grind!) can easily see that human
subspecies exist. The african pygmies are the clearest example of that. 
The
question then is where and how would the divisions be drawn; what level 
of
differentiation is appropriate? Again, a fair question. It depends on 
what
you're interested in. Anthropology, the science of man, which examines 
all
aspects of the human condition, benefits from an understanding of even
subtle differences between human populations. As we see from evolutionary
biology, over long periods of time, even subtle differences can produce
significant divergance. Thus I would argue that shying away from the 
issue 
of human race is an act of abdication, a retreat from a legitimate aspect 
of
study as a result of political pressure. I support the idea of an ethical
foundation to work; anthropologists must follow their conscience, as must
all of us. I'm saying that this should not be an "ethical" issue; race is 
a
biological fact, and must be treated as such. I don't like the idea of 
race
being used as a political tool, either, but that is a different issue
entirely. Pretending that race doesn't exist simply won't help anything.

---begin next quoted message---

Re: Homo Sapiens needs to be classified
in sub species.

Scott Sellers (sds@crash.cts.com)
Wed, 13 Sep 1995 03:45:57 GMT 



In article <42nkkqINNfmj@hpsdlmc1.sdd.hp.com>, geroldf@sdd.hp.com says...
>
>In article <428o9d$6u0@sun.lclark.edu> adunn@sun.lclark.edu (Allan Dunn) writes:
>
>> I wonder why it would be useful at all? If anyone has insight on 
>>this I would like to know.
>
>To me, the most useful information which could be gained by a thorough
>understanding of human races (where race is synonomous with biological
>subspecies) is the resulting insight into our evolutionary past. The
>current pattern of human races (muddied as it is by massive mixing) is a
>map of both gene flow and the movement of peoples. In trying to piece
>together our history, this is vital data.
>

It seems odd to speak of "our" evolutionary past while at the same time 
attempting to 
divide humans along evolutionary lines. If the focus is upon the 
differentiation of 
human subspecies, wouldn't differentiated terms be more appropriate? Of 
course, that 
would be part of the task. And can we really speak of "our" history if we 
are divided 
into unmuddied (pure?) races? How about, say, "our" history and "their" 
history.

>It's good that people have a social conscience, and are concerned about the
>possible misuse of knowledge. But I think that attempting to claim that
>race among humans is purely a social fiction is an absurd over-reaction.

I agree. Race is not "purely" a social fiction. However, I'd say the 
preponderance of 
the uses of "race" as a category in human history, past AND present, have 
been, and 
are, social fiction.

>Anyone with any knowledge of evolutionary biology can clearly see that
>there are human subspecies. 

So can anyone with any racist theory.

>Attempting to enforce an ideological gag-order
>on such people is orwellian doublethink. On the other hand, telling
>xenophobic racists that their mania has no scientific basis is equally
>futile; anyone who uses race as a primary classification tool for their
>interactions with other individuals will not be concerned about getting
>their science straight.

Again, I agree. Right-thinking xenophobic racists' usually rely directly 
upon the Word 
of God to back their positions. Not that they will pass on the odd bit of 
science, 
psuedo or otherwise. Hitler claimed a sound scientific basis for his 
racial theories. 
Even if your "pure science" approach arrives at a conclusion that is 
value neutral 
regarding the various "subspecies," just think how certain scholars will 
misinterpret, 
amplify, or flat out misrepresent it.

>
>I suppose this ideological campaign is really aimed at the people in the
>middle, those who don't have enough evolutionary biology to understand what
>a subspecies is, and who are not mired in an ideology which depends on
>racist notions of superiority/inferiority. 

I'd say most people would not limit their conception of human subspecies 
to the hard 
biological science you might come up with. Probably enough people to make 
a plurality 
in, say, the U.S.A. today. And while the "people in the middle" may not 
currently be 
"mired" in racist ideology, I wouldn't consider them unsusceptible to 
such. See 
Germany, 1930's-40's, or the Deep South, Slavery era, or the former 
Yugoslavia today.

>But however noble your goal may
>be, using disinformation to sway the debate will be counterproductive in
>the long run. Race does exist, but that doesn't mean we have to be racist.
>The sooner we can drain the emotional rancor from ths debate, the sooner we
>can get back to the more pleasant task of pursueing the science of man.

Noble? I'd say pragmatic. I wish I shared your faith that science will 
somehow out in 
the "long run." I don't. I think that people are profoundly ideological 
animals, 
science be hanged. The theory you espouse, while perhaps having some 
value in the 
pursuit of truth, would, I'm afraid, be far more significant as fodder 
for ideologies 
which reach far beyond the scope of science, into the realm of politics 
and power. 
But, go ahead. Tack up your thesis. Just watch out who yanks it down and 
runs with 
it. But, I guess that's not really your concern. Here's to pleasant 
pursuits.

---end quoted messages---


In the last post, Mr. Sellers, while acknowledging the utility of 
subspecific classes for humans, advises against their use because they 
might give credence to "racism," which he deplores.

Most illuminating.



....
> 
> 
> There is no evidence that speciation is occuring within the human species.
> Hominids, at least from the time of Homo erectus a million and a half
> years ago, have *always* been highly mobile, and high degrees of mobility
> are one of the factors which operate very strongly *against* speciation.
> Don't try to dress your racism up in biological clothing that doesn't
> fit at all, Mr. Strom.
> 


Birds are even more "highly mobile" than we are, and yet somehow they 
have managed to speciate quite nicely, dozens of times, at least.

To simplify the discussion, I will assume for the sake of argument that 
the "Out of Africa" theory of human origins is true.

Pre-humans evolved into a recognizably human form in Africa. Human groups 
then emerged to colonize the other continents. As they adapted to these 
new environments, and as a certain amount of reproductive isolation was 
entailed by the distances and obstacles involved, differences began to 
develop between these populations. They had begun to evolutionarily 
diverge, or branch. They became _more different_ from each other the 
longer they were separated. This process is called speciation, whether 
the process has just begun or is complete in the sense that a new species 
has been produced. Remember, I said speciation "is happening," as in an 
ongoing process. It is a process which occurs continually in Nature, and 
which can be completed or terminated depending on the environment. It 
would be remarkable if this process did not occur in the human animal.

The racial debate really hinges on whether we should end this process or 
allow/encourage it to continue.



> [Kevin Alfred Strom stated to Eugene Holman:]
> >You speculate plausibly, but even if your speculations are correct, it
> >remains indisputably true that one race replaced another in Europe. The
> >descendants of the better-adapted and little-changed conquerors still
> >live there today, and are known to all but quibblers as Europeans or
> >Whites. Neanderthal hybrids are confined mainly to the universities (so
> >named because they exist in a universe quite separate from the universe
> >of reality which the rest of us inhabit); otherwise they left little
> >trace and may be confidently declared to be extinct.
> 
> Gee, you said you didn't think I was a Neanderthal, but now you seem
> to be lumping me in with Neanderthals, Mr. Strom, perhaps inadvertently.


Read carefully, and learn to recognize a joke when you see it.



> Why are you arguing with Mr. Holman in such insulting terms, Mr. Strom?


No insult intended. Some of my best friends are university professors.


> In evolutionary terms, the process by which the physically distinctive
> characteristics of Neanderthals disappeared from the fossil record
> around 40,000 years ago is not at all well understood.  Your assumption
> that Homo sapiens sapiens was "better adapted" may or may not be true.


Nature seems to have given her verdict.



> Your assumption that Homo sapiens neanderthalensis was "outcompeted",
> marginalised, and driven to extinction by H.s.s. may or may not be true.
> As the geographical barriers that isolated H.s.n. populations in
> western Europe during the Wurm glaciation and led to the emergence of
> their "extreme" physical characteristics dissolved, it may simply be
> that gene flow between them and other Homo sapiens populations resumed.
> This is a possibility that cannot yet be ruled out.
> 


Sure, I suppose so. But if they had been the "better adapted" ones to the 
new conditions, we would expect to have seen their characteristics spread 
throughout the population through natural selection.



> [...]
> 
> >The "Out of Africa" model may someday be proved correct -- or discarded
> >-- but all human races undoubtedly branched, somehow, from a common
> >ancestor. No one, except the wilfully ignorant, doubts that today. So
> >there is, of course, no such thing as a pure race if by that you mean one
> >utterly unrelated to other human races.
> 
> I can't speak for Mr. Holman, but this is not what I understand by the
> term "pure race".  I understand this term to mean groups of people whose
> biological connection to other human groups is so remote that they
> are genuinely distinctive.  The concept of "pure races" implies not only
> initial divergence but continued, pretty much complete reproductive
> separation.  It implies separate genetic histories over a very long
> period of time.  None of the existing evidence from human population
> genetics supports the existence of "pure races" among humans.
> 


"So remote," "pretty much complete," "very long," etc., are all a little 
too vague for me to get a real handle on your proposed definition for 
"pure races," so I guess I will just say that I don't know exactly what 
you mean. I happily admit that all human races are related.



> >But the environment selects and molds and purifies in the sense of
> >creating new races and eventually new species, each with its own unique
> >destiny on this mysterious and wonderful planet. And the environment
> >survived by the prehistoric Europeans was a severe and special one
> >indeed, one that molded the race that is reaching its hesitant hands into
> >space.
> 
> The physical environment of Europe was no more challenging than any other
> environment.


Are you really asserting that all environments are equally challenging? 
If that were true, then retirees would not prefer Florida to Minnesota. 
Or the Riviera to Antarctica, for that matter.


> Humans have had to struggle and cope with the vagaries
> of harsh climates (if not frigid temperatures, hot ones; if not between
> seasonal extremes then between day and night extremes), with predators
> of different sorts, with perpetual scarcity and seasonal abundance
> throughout the species' history....


Then populations that have travelled the greatest distance from tropical 
Africa, their putative point of origin, and which have therefore had to 
survive a greater variety of environments, might therefore be theorized 
to have undergone a more rigorous selection process than those who stayed 
behind. An interesting thought.


> If Europe were somehow unique, one
> might wish to ask why the characteristics we generally associated with
> "high civilisation" - agriculture, the domestication of animals, the
> development of writing, the emergence of state-level political
> institutions - all arose elsewhere long, usually very long, before they
> made it to Europe via social and cultural interactions and actual
> population migrations.
> ...


The Sumerians certainly appear to be racially a part of Europe even if 
not, strictly speaking, geographically so. So migrations probably went 
both ways. No doubt, though, the various groups of Caucasians generally 
credited with creating the first civilizations were a various lot.

With all good wishes,

-- 


Kevin Alfred Strom

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