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"127.0.0.1" <127.0.0.1@127.0.0.1> wrote in message 
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> On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 11:59:59 -0700
> Rolf  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>> Watch "Judea Declares War on Germany" online for free. The
>> above video is a scaled-down version in Windows Media Video
>> (*.wmv) format for viewing online. Requires hi-speed
>> connection--roughly 110MB file-size. To download the file,
>> right-click on the link and select "save target as" and tell
>> where you want to download it.
>>
>> Go HERE
>>
>> http://honestmediatoday.com/JDW.wmv
>>
>
> Good post, very good video that everyone should watch....


It is a good video and I recommend everyone watch it before it is taken 
down. Download it to your hard drive for future reference because this video 
won't be available for long. 



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"qarzhz"  wrote in message 
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> On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 20:47:40 -0700, Philip Mathews wrote:
>
>>spamgourmet.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Watch "Judea Declares War on Germany" online for free.
>>
>> Why?
>>
>> Only a moron wouldn't recognize that a relgion can't declare war.
>
>
> I thought that Judea was a Roman province. Now it's a religion?
>
> Revisionism indeed.
>

That's exactly your problem,  you "thought".
How about Judeo-Poland. Was that a Roman province? I will give you a hint. 
Because Poland had 2nd world's largest Jewish population,  'someone' had a 
great idea of partitioning Poland (again) and creating Judeo-Poland.  It 
didn't happen because not everyone agreed with such a great idea. 



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"Philip Mathews"  wrote in message 
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> On Nov 6, 12:44 pm, YTR  wrote:
>
>> You 9/11 Truthers who are scared to look into the Holohoax are
>> COWARDS. GROW A BACK BONE.
>>
>> Watch  Watch Judea Declares War on Germany.
>
> Why?
>
> Only a moron wouldn't recognize that a religion can't declare war.
>
> --
> Philip Mathews
>

Actually only a moron wouldn't recognize that the JUDEA is being used as 
Ethnic group since the state of Israel didn't exist at that time. 



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"TurkeyBoy"  wrote in message 
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> STALIN'S JEWS - Opinion from Israel, Ynetnews
>
> http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0%2C7340%2CL-3342999%2C00.html
>
> 12-21-6 Excerpts only...
>
> "We mustn't forget that some of greatest murderers of modern times
> were Jewish.

We already forgot. It is not being thought in modern western countries and 
only through internet media we are still aware of Jewish atrocities.


>
> We cannot know with certainty the number of deaths Cheka was
> responsible for in its various manifestations, but the number is
> surely at least 20 million, including victims of the forced
> collectivization, the hunger, large purges, expulsions, banishments,
> executions, and mass death at Gulags.
>
> Whole population strata were eliminated: Independent farmers, ethnic
> minorities, members of the bourgeoisie, senior officers,
> intellectuals, artists, labor movement activists, "opposition members"
> who were defined completely randomly, and countless members of the
> Communist party itself.
>
> And us, the Jews? An Israeli student finishes high school without ever
> hearing the name "Genrikh Yagoda," the greatest Jewish murderer of the
> 20th Century, the GPU's deputy commander and the founder and commander
> of the NKVD. Yagoda diligently implemented Stalin's collectivization
> orders and is responsible for the deaths of at least 10 million
> people. His Jewish deputies established and managed the Gulag system.
> After Stalin no longer viewed him favorably, Yagoda was demoted and
> executed, and was replaced as chief hangman in 1936 by Yezhov, the
> 'bloodthirsty dwarf'."
>
>
> On Oct 28, 5:05 am, kmc...@shell.vex.net (Kenneth McVay OBC) wrote:
>> [Follow-ups set]
>>
>> October 28
>>
>> 1944
>>
>> Anne Frank and her older sister Margot are deported from
>> Auschwitz-Birkenau to Bergen-Belsen concentration camp,
>> arriving on October 30. Both later die from typhus in Bergen-
>> Belsen shortly before liberation. (USHMM, 1994, p. 65)
>>
>> Raoul Wallenberg appears at Jozefvros freight station, where
>> a transport of Budapest Jews is being loaded for
>> deportation. He successfully demands the release of all
>> those holding Swedish protective passes. During the forced
>> marches of Jews from Budapest in the coming weeks,
>> Wallenberg manages to save a number of Jews holding Swedish
>> protective passes. (Ibid.)
>>
>> According to [SS Brigadier General] Veesenmayer, as of March
>> 19, 1942, there were approximately 800,000 Jews in Hungary.
>> Of these, 430,000 have been deported by October 28, 1944,
>> 150,000 are in Jewish labor battalions, and 200,000 remains
>> in Budapest. (Ibid.)
>>
>> October 28 - November 1
>>
>> Dora, previously a subcamp of Buchenwald, becomes an
>> independent concentration camp known as Dora-Mittelbau, with
>> 32,532 prisoners and twenty-three satellite camps. (USHMM, 1994, p. 65)
>>
>>                          Work Cited
>>
>> USHMM (United States Holocaust Memorial Museum). Fifty
>>    Years Ago: Darkness Before Dawn: Days of Remembrance, April
>>    3-10, 1994. Washington, D.C.: 1994
>> --
>> "But I was not diagnosed as 'morbidly obese' you evil
>> kike and you are perpetuating a lie started by your
>> fellow filthy kike hook nosed vermin named ..."
>> (Scott Bradbury, Bellville's Leading Revisionist Scholar)
>
> 


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"Protagonist"  wrote in message 
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> TurkeyBoy wrote:
>> STALIN'S JEWS - Opinion from Israel, Ynetnews
>>
>> http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0%2C7340%2CL-3342999%2C00.html
>>
>> 12-21-6 Excerpts only...
>>
>>  "We mustn't forget that some of greatest murderers of modern times
>> were Jewish.
>>
>> We cannot know with certainty the number of deaths Cheka was
>> responsible for in its various manifestations, but the number is
>> surely at least 20 million, including victims of the forced
>> collectivization, the hunger, large purges, expulsions, banishments,
>> executions, and mass death at Gulags.
>>
>> Whole population strata were eliminated: Independent farmers, ethnic
>> minorities, members of the bourgeoisie, senior officers,
>> intellectuals, artists, labor movement activists, "opposition members"
>> who were defined completely randomly, and countless members of the
>> Communist party itself.
>>
>> And us, the Jews? An Israeli student finishes high school without ever
>> hearing the name "Genrikh Yagoda," the greatest Jewish murderer of the
>> 20th Century, the GPU's deputy commander and the founder and commander
>> of the NKVD. Yagoda diligently implemented Stalin's collectivization
>> orders and is responsible for the deaths of at least 10 million
>> people. His Jewish deputies established and managed the Gulag system.
>> After Stalin no longer viewed him favorably, Yagoda was demoted and
>> executed, and was replaced as chief hangman in 1936 by Yezhov, the
>> 'bloodthirsty dwarf'."
>
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071027/wl_nm/ukraine_massacre_dc
>
> Ukraine reburies 2,000 victims of Stalin's rule Sat Oct 27, 1:15 PM ET
>
>
>
> Ukraine on Saturday reburied some 2,000 people killed by the Soviet secret 
> police over several years up to the Second World War and left in mass 
> graves at a site near the capital.
>
> The 1,998 bodies, 474 of which were Poles, were dug up earlier this year 
> at in Bykovnya, a village and woods in the suburbs were Ukranian officials 
> believe some 30,000 could have been buried during the 1930s and early 
> 1940s.
>
> The mass graves were filled with people -- others estimate up to 
> 100,000 -- that were tortured and shot by the dreaded NKVD, a precursor to 
> the KGB, during Stalin's repressive and violent rule in the run up to the 
> Russia's Great Patriotic War.
>
> "I was 8 years old. It was just three of us, father, mother and me. And 
> they took him," Maria Marzhetska said of the father who was seized by the 
> NKVD in 1937. "They said for 10 years he wouldn't write (home)."
>
> "Every morning, every evening we were at the police station," she said. 
> But she only found out his fate 60 years later.
>
> In the sombre ceremony which was attended by a hundred or so people, 
> simple red coffins, some draped with flags, were lowered one by one into 
> the ground and blessed by a priest. Relatives and officials prayed by 
> their side.
>
> Under Communist rule, the existence of mass graves filled with the victims 
> of Stalin's rule was denied and it was only in the 1990s that it was 
> acknowledged and a memorial was built.
>
> Polish historians and officials believe that several thousand Polish 
> soldiers and officers that were captured as Russia encroached Polish lands 
> to defeat the Nazis were buried there, like the estimated 15,000 massacred 
> near the Katyn woods.
>
> "This is a very important place for Poles because it is ... linked with 
> Katyn," said Andrzej Przewoznik, general secretary of Poland's Council for 
> the Protection of Monuments to Struggle and Martyrdom.
>
> "This is a place where we would like the Polish (Catholic) cross and 
> Polish memories of those people resting in the Bykovnya forest to be."


Good thing Jewish leaders weren't aware of these mass graves, otherwise it 
would be 'investigated' as part of Holocaust. 



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"Colonel Sanders"  wrote in message 
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> WAS HITLER A ROTHSCHILD?
> By David Icke
> Official history is merely a veil to hide the truth of what really
> happened. When the veil is lifted, again and again we see that not
> only is the official version not true, it is often 100% wrong.
> Take the Rothschilds, the bloodline formerly known, among other names,
> as the Bauers, one of the most notorious black occult bloodlines of
> Middle Ages Germany. It became known as Rothschild (red-shield or
> rotes-schild in German) in the 18th century when a financial dynasty
> was founded in Frankfurt by Mayer Amschel Rothschild working in league
> with the Illuminati House of Hesse and others. They took their name
> from the red shield or hexagram/Star of David on the front of their
> house in Frankfurt. The Star of David or Seal of Solomon is an ancient
> esoteric symbol and only became associated with Jewish people after
> the Rothschilds adopted it for themselves. It has absolutely no
> connection to "David" or "Solomon", as Jewish historical sources
> confirm. The Rothschilds are one of the top Illuminati bloodlines on
> the planet and they are shape-shifting reptilians (see The Biggest
> Secret).
> Guy de Rothschild, of the French House, heads this bloodline dynasty
> today. He is one of the most grotesque exponents of trauma-based mind
> control, indeed the top man according to many of those who have
> suffered mercilessly under his torture. I am always loath to use the
> world evil, but if evil is the reverse of live, Guy de Rothschild is
> thoroughly evil. He stands for the opposite of life. He has been
> personally responsible for the torture and death of millions of
> children and adults, either directly or through those he controls. He
> conducts satanic rituals, as all these bloodlines have always done,
> and goodness knows how many human sacrifices he has been involved in.
> If what I am saying is wrong, Guy de Rothschild, then take me to court
> and lets reveal the evidence. You are a multi-billionaire and you
> control the courts and the media. I have next to nothing. I should,
> therefore, be a pushover. So come on, Mr. Rothschild, lets have you.
> Lets take these claims into the public arena and have you and me in
> the witness box. Make my day.
> Already I can hear the clamor gathering to condemn me as "anti-
> semitic" because the Rothschilds claim to be "Jewish." Organisations
> like the Anti-Defamation League and B'nai B'rith have already made
> strenuous efforts to label me in this way for exposing the Rothschilds
> and to stop me speaking in public. (See elsewhere on this website) How
> funny then that both organisations were created by, and continue to be
> bankrolled by, the Rothschilds. Just a co-incidence, nothing to worry
> about. B'nai Brith means, appropriately, "Sons of the Alliance" and
> was established by the Rothschilds in 1843 as an intelligence arm and
> to defame and destroy legitimate researchers with the label "anti
> semitic." Many of their speakers openly supported slavery during the
> American Civil War and today they 1
> seek to condemn some black leaders as "anti-semitic" or "racist! Every
> year, the Anti Defamation League award their "Torch of Liberty" (the
> classic Illuminati symbol) to the person they believe has served their
> cause the most. One year they gave it to Morris Dalitz, an intimate of
> the notorious Meyer Lansky crime syndicate which terrorised America.
> Perfect choice.
> Of course, the strength of feeling that fans the flames of
> condemnation against anyone dubbed "anti-semitic" today is the
> sickening persecution of Jewish people by the Nazis of Adolf Hitler.
> To expose or question the actions of the Rothschilds or any other
> Jewish person or organisation is to be called a "nazi" and "anti-
> semitic", that all-encompassing label which has discredited so many
> researchers and stopped them having the opportunity to speak in public
> because of protest by unthinking robot radicals and the refusal of
> venues to host their meetings. I have had this from time to time, not
> least in eastern Canada thanks to a campaign by B'nai B'rith and the
> Anti-Defamation League (which spends it's entire time trying to defame
> people). Both organisations, I repeat, are Rothschild created and
> controlled.
> How strange then, that as I have documented in And The Truth Shall Set
> You Free and The Biggest Secret, along with endless other researchers
> and scholars, Adolf Hitler and the Nazis were created and funded by...
> the Rothschilds. It was they who arranged for Hitler to come to power
> through the Illuminati secret societies in Germany like the Thule
> Society and the Vril Society which they created through their German
> networks; it was the Rothschilds who funded Hitler through the Bank of
> England and other British and American sources like the Rothschild's
> Kuhn, Loeb, bank which also funded the Russian Revolution.
> The very heart of Hitler's war machine was the chemical giant, I.G.
> Farben, which had an American arm that was controlled by the
> Rothschilds through their lackeys, the Warburgs. Paul Warburg, who
> manipulated into existence the privately-owned "central bank" of
> America, the Federal Reserve, in 1913, was on the board of American
> I.G. Indeed Hitler's I.G. Farben, which ran the slave labour camp at
> Auchwitz, was, in reality, a division of Standard Oil, officially
> owned by the Rockefellers, but in truth the Rockefeller empire was
> funded into existence by...the Rothschilds. See And The Truth Shall Set
> You Free and The Biggest Secret for the detailed background of this
> and other aspects of this story. The Rothschilds also owned the German
> news agencies during both World Wars and thus controlled the flow of
> "information" to Germans and the outside world. Incidentally, when
> Allied troops entered Germany they found that the I.G. Farben
> factories, the very core of Hitler's war operation, had not been hit
> by the mass bombing and neither had Ford factories - another
> Illuminati supporter of Hitler. Other factories nearby had been
> demolished by bombing raids.
> So the force behind Adolf Hitler, on behalf of the Illuminati, was the
> House of Rothschild, this "Jewish" bloodline which claims to support
> and protect the Jewish faith and people. In fact they use and
> sickeningly abuse the Jewish people for their own horrific ends. The
> Rothschilds, like the Illuminati in general, treat the mass of the
> Jewish people with utter
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> contempt. They are, like the rest of the global population, just
> cattle to be used to advance the agenda of global control and mastery
> by a network of interbreeding bloodlines, impregnated with a reptilian
> genetic code, and known to researchers as the Illuminati.
> Indeed, the Illuminati are so utterly obsessed with bloodline, because
> of this reptilian genetic code, that there was no way that someone
> like Hitler would come to power in those vital circumstances for the
> Illuminati, unless he was of the reptilian bloodline. If you look
> elsewhere on this website you will see how the same bloodline has held
> the positions of royal, aristocratic, financial, political, military,
> and media power in the world for literally thousands of years. This is
> the bloodline that has produced ALL 42 of the Presidents of the United
> States since and including George Washington in 1789. It is the
> bloodline of the runaway favourite to win the 2000 election, George W.
> Bush. The World War Two leaders, Roosevelt, Churchill, and Stalin,
> were of the bloodline and also Freemasons and Satanists. They were
> manipulated into office, and their country's war effort funded, by the
> Rothschilds and the other Illuminati bloodlines.
> So are we to believe, therefore, that although this same group
> provably funded Adolf Hitler's rise to power and his war machine, that
> he would be the odd one out, a leader of crucial importance to the
> agenda who was NOT bloodline?
> But hold on. Hitler couldn't be the same bloodline as, say, the
> Rothschilds because, as we all know, the Rothschilds are defenders of
> Jewish people and Hitler slaughtered them, along with communists and
> gypsies and others who opposed him or he wanted to eliminate. The
> Rothschilds are Jewish, they'd never do that.
> Oh really.
> According to a book by a psychoanalyst, Walter Langer, called The Mind
> of Hitler, not only was Hitler supported by the Rothschilds, he WAS a
> Rothschild. This revelation fits like a glove with the actions of the
> Rothschilds and other Illuminati bloodlines in Germany who brought
> Hitler to the fore as dictator of that nation. He was also supported
> by the British Royal Family, the House of Windsor (in truth the German
> House of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha), and these included the British royal "war
> hero", Lord Mountbatten, a Rothschild and a Satanist. Their royal
> relatives in Germany, who you would never have thought would normally
> support an apparent guy from the street like Hitler, were among his
> most enthusiastic supporters. But, of course, they knew who he really
> was. There is no way in the world when you do any study of the
> Illuminati obsession with bloodline that Hitler would not have been
> one of them. Langer writes:
> "Adolf's father, Alois Hitler, was the illegitimate son of Maria Anna
> Schicklgruber. It was generally supposed that the father of Alois
> Hitler (Schicklgruber) was Johann Georg Hiedler.There are some people
> who seriously doubt that Johann Georg Hiedler was the father of Alois...
> (an Austrian document was) prepared that proved Maria Anna
> Schicklgruber was living in Vienna at the time she conceived. At that
> time she was employed as a servant in the home of Baron Rothschild. As
> soon as the family discovered her pregnancy she was sent back
> home..where Alois was born."
> 3
> Langer's information came from the high level gestapo officer,
> Hansjurgen Koehler, published in 1940, under the title "Inside the
> Gestapo". He writes about the investigations into Hitler's background
> carried out by the Austrian Chancellor, Dolfuss, in the family files
> of Hitler.
> Koehler actually viewed a copy of the Dolfuss documents which were
> given to him by Heydrich, the overlord of the Nazi Secret Service. The
> file, he wrote, "caused such havoc as no file in the world ever caused
> before" (Inside the Gestapo, p 143). He also revealed that:
> "..The second bundle in the blue file contained the documents
> collected by Dolfuss. The small statured, but big-hearted Austrian
> Chancellor must have known by such a personal file he might be able to
> check Hitler...His task was not difficult; as ruler of Austria he could
> easily find out about the personal data and family of Adolf Hitler,
> who had been born on Austrian soil...Through the original birth
> certificates, police registration cards, protocols, etc., all
> contained in the original file, the Austrian Chancellor succeeded in
> piecing together the disjointed parts of the puzzle, creating a more
> or less logical entity..
> A little servant girl... (Hitler's mother)...came to Vienna and became a
> domestic servant, mostly working for rather rich families. But she was
> unlucky; having been seduced, she was about to bear a child. She went
> home to her village for her confinement...Where was the little maid
> serving in Vienna? This was not a very difficult problem. Very early
> Vienna had instituted the system of compulsory police registration.
> Both servants and the employers were exposed to heavy fines if they
> neglected this duty. Chancellor Dolfuss managed to discover the
> registration card. The little, innocent maid had been a servant at the...
> Rothschild mansion. ..and Hitler's unknown grandfather must be
> probably looked for in this magnificent house. The Dolfuss file
> stopped at this statement."
> Was Hitler's determination to take over Austria anything to do with
> his desire to destroy records of his lineage?
> A correspondent who has extensively researched this subject writes:
> "It appears to me that Hitler knew about his connection long before
> his Chancellorship. Like his father before him, when the going got
> rough, the Hitlers went to Vienna. Hitler's father left his home
> village at an early age to seek his fortune in Vienna. When Hitler was
> orphaned, after his mother died in December of 1907, he left for
> Vienna not long after the funeral. There he seemed to drop out of
> sight for ten months! What happened during this ten-month stay in
> Vienna is a complete mystery on which history sheds no light. It makes
> sense, now that it has become established that Hitler was a
> Rothschild, that he and his cousins were getting aquainted, and his
> potentiall for future family endeavors was being sized up".
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> The Rothschilds and the Illuminati produce many offspring out of
> wedlock in their secret breeding programmes and these children are
> brought up under other names with other parents. Like Bill Clinton,
> who is almost certainly a Rockefeller produced in the same way, these
> "ordinary kids from ordinary backgrounds" go on to be extraordinarily
> successful in their chosen field. Hitler, too, would have produced
> unofficial children to maintain his strand of the bloodline and there
> will obviously be people of his bloodline alive today. So which
> Rothschild was the grandfather of Hitler? My thanks to a website
> correspondent for the additional, updated, information to this
> article, a man has researched this story in some detail. Alois,
> Hitler's father, was born in 1837 in the period when Salomon Mayer was
> the only Rothschild who lived at the Vienna mansion. Even his wife did
> not live there because their marriage was so bad and she stayed in
> Frankfurt. Their son, Anselm Salomon spent most of his working life in
> Paris and Frankfurt away from Vienna and his father..
> Father Salomon Mayer, living alone at the Vienna mansion where
> Hitler's mother worked, is the prime, most obvious candidate. And
> Hermann von Goldschmidt, the son of Salomon Mayer's senior clerk,
> wrote a book, published in 1917, which said of Salomon:
> "...by the 1840s he had developed a somewhat reckless enthusiasm for
> young girls.."
> and
> "He had a lecherous passion for very young girls, his adventures with
> whom had to be hushed up by the police."
> And Hitler's mother, a young girl working under the same roof would
> not have been the subject of Salomon's desire? And this same girl
> became pregnant while working there? And her grandson becomes the
> Chancellor of Germany, funded by the Rothschilds, and he started the
> Second World War which was so vital to the Rothschild-Illuminati
> agenda? And the Illuminati are obsessed with putting their bloodlines
> into power on all "sides" in a conflict? And the Rothschilds are one
> of their most key bloodlines? And it is all a co-incidence?
> HITLER WAS A ROTHSCHILD!!
> The Second World War was incredibly productive for the Illuminati
> agenda of global control. It led to an explosion of globally-
> centralised institutions, like the United Nations and the European
> Community, now Union, and many others in finance, business, and the
> military. Precisely what they wanted. It also put countries under an
> enormous burden of debt on loans provided to all sides by...the
> Rothschilds and the Illuminati.
> The Rothschilds had long had a plan to create a personal fiefdom for
> themselves and the Illuminati in Palestine and that plan involved
> manipulating Jewish people to settle the area as their "homeland."
> Charles Taze Russell, of the Illuminati-reptilian Russell bloodline,
> was the man who founded the Watchtower Society, better known as the
> Jehovah's
> 5
> Witnesses. He was a Satanist, a paedophile according to his wife, and
> most certainly Illuminati. His new "religion (mind-control cult) was
> funded by the Rothschilds and he was a friend of theirs, just like the
> founders of the Mormons who were also Rothschild-funded through Kuhn,
> Loeb, and Co. Russell and the Mormon founders were all Freemasons. In
> 1880, Charles Taze Russell, this friend of the Rothschilds, predicted
> that the Jews would return to their homeland. It was about the only
> prediction Russell ever got right. Why? Because he knew that was the
> plan. He wrote to the Rothschilds praising their efforts to establish
> a Jewish homeland in Palestine.
> Then, in 1917, came the famous Balfour Declaration, when the British
> Foreign Minister, Lord Balfour, stated on behalf of his government
> that they supported the creation of a Jewish homeland in Palestine.
> Now when you hear that phrase, the Balfour Declaration, you get the
> feeling that it was some kind of statement or public announcement. But
> not so.
> The Balfour declaration was a letter from Lord Balfour to...Lord Lionel
> Walter Rothschild. Researchers say that the letter was in fact WRITTEN
> by Lord Rothschild and his employee, the banker, Alfred Milner. Now
> get this. One of the most important secret societies of the 20th
> century is called the Round Table. It is based in Britain with
> branches across the world. It is the Round Table that ultimately
> orchestrates the network of the Bilderberg Group, Council on Foreign
> Relations, Trilateral Commission and the Royal Institute of
> International Affairs. See my books for details. How fascinating then,
> that Lord Balfour was an inner circle member of the Round Table,
> Alfred Milner was the Round Table's official leader after the death of
> Cecil Rhodes, and the Round Table was funded by..Lord Lionel Walter
> Rothschild. These were the very three people involved in the Balfour
> Declaration of 1917.
> Two years later, in 1919, came the Versailles Peace Conference near
> Paris when the elite of the Round Table from Britain and the United
> States, people like Alfred Milner, Edward Mandel House, and Bernard
> Baruch, were appointed to represent their countries at the meetings
> which decided how the world would be changed as a result of the war
> these same people had created. They decided to impose impossible
> reparations payments on Germany, so ensuring the collapse of the post-
> war Weimar Republic amid unbelievable ecomonic collapse and thus
> create the very circumstances that brought the Rothschild, Hitler, to
> power. It was while in Paris that these Illuminati, Round Table,
> members met at the Hotel Majestic to begin the process of creating the
> Bilderberg-CFR-RIIA-Trilateral Commission network. They also decided
> at Versailles that they now all supported the creation of a Jewish
> homeland in Palestine. As I show in my books, EVERY ONE of them was
> either a Rothschild bloodline or was controlled by them.
> The American President, Woodrow Wilson, was "advised" at Versailles by
> Colonel House and Bernard Baruch, both Rothschild clones and leaders
> of the Round Table in the United States; The British Prime Minister,
> Lloyd George, was "advised" by Alfred Milner, Rothschild employee and
> Round Table leader, and Sir Phillip Sassoon, a direct decendent of
> Mayer Amschel Rothschild, the founder of the dynasty; The French
> leader, Georges Clemenceau, was "advised" by his Minister for the
> Interior, Georges Mandel, whose real name was Jeroboam Rothschild.
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> Who do you think was making the decisions here??
> But it went further. Also in the American delegation were the Dulles
> brothers, John Foster Dulles, who would become US Secretary of State,
> and Allen Dulles, who would become first head of the new CIA after
> World War Two. The Dulles brothers were bloodline, would later be
> supporters of Hitler, and were employed by the Rothschilds at Kuhn,
> Loeb, and Co. They were also involved in the assassination of John F.
> Kennedy and Allen Dulles would serve on the Warren Commission which
> investigated the assassination. The American delegation at Versailles
> was also represented by the Rothschild-controlled, Paul Warburg, of
> Kuhn, Loeb and the American branch of I.G. Farben, while the German
> delegation included his brother, Max Warburg, who would become
> Hitler's banker!! Their host in France during the "peace" conference
> was...Baron Edmond de Rothschild, the leading force at the time pressing
> for the creation of a Jewish homeland in Israel. See my books for fine
> detail.
> The Rothschilds have always been the true force behind the Zionist
> Movement. Zionism is in facr SIONism, Sion = the Sun, hence the name
> of the elite secret society behind the Merovingian bloodline, the
> Priory of Sion. Contrary to most people's understanding, Zionism is
> not the Jewish people. Many Jews are not Zionists and many non-Jews
> are. Zionism is a political movement, not a race. To say Zionism is
> the Jewish people is like saying the Democratic Party is the American
> people. Jewish people who oppose Zionism, however, have been given a
> very hard time.
> Now, having manipulated their puppet-governments to support their plan
> for a personal fiefdom in the Middle East, the Rothschilds began the
> process of settling Jewish people in Palestine. As always they treated
> their own people with contempt. Enter Baron Edmond de Rothschild, the
> "Father of Israel", who died in 1934, the man who hosted the
> Versailles "peace" delegations. Edmond was from the French House, like
> Guy de Rothschild. Edmond, in fact, began to settle Jews in Palestine
> as far back as the 1880s (when Charles Taze Russell was making his
> prediction). He financed Russian Jews to establish settlements in
> Palestine, but it was nothing to do with their freedom or birthright,
> it was to advance the Rothschild-Illuminati agenda. Edmond financed
> the creation of farms and factories and ran the whole operation with a
> rod of iron. The Jewish farmers were told what to grow and they soon
> found out who was in charge if they questioned his orders.
> In 1901, these Jewish people complained to Rothschild about this
> dictatorship over their settlement or "Yishuv". They asked him:
> "..if you wish to save the Yishuv, first take your hands from it, and...
> for once permit the colonists to have the possibility of correcting
> for themselves whatever needs correcting.."
> Baron Rothschild replied:
> "I created the Yishuv, I alone. Therefore no men, neither colonists
> nor organisations, have the right to interfere in my plans.."
> In one sentence, you have the true attitude of the Rothschilds to
> Jewish people, and indeed, the human population in general. These
> people are NOT Jews, they are a non-human
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> bloodline with a reptilian genetic code who hide behind the Jewish
> people and use them as a screen and a means to an end. According to
> Simon Schama's book, Two Rothschilds and the Land of Israel (Collins,
> London, 1978), the Rothschilds acquired 80% of the land of Israel.
> Edmond de Rothschild worked closely with Theodore Herzl, who just
> happened to be the founder of Zionism, the political movement created
> to ensure a "Jewish" homeland in Palestine. Rothschild was also the
> power behind Chaim Weizmann, another leader of Zionism. As Rothschild
> told Weizmann:
> "Without me Zionism would not have succeeded, but without Zionism my
> work would have been stuck to death."
> So now with the Rothschilds increasing their financing of Jewish
> settlements in Palestine, and with their agents in governments
> officially supporting their plans for a Rothschild, sorry Jewish,
> homeland, they needed a catalyst which would demolish Arab protests at
> the take-over of their country. That catalyst was the horrific
> treatment of Jews in Germany and the countries they conquered by the
> Rothschild-funded Nazis and one of their own, a Rothschild called
> Adolf Hitler.
> The wave of revulsion at the Nazi concentration camps gave vital and,
> in the end, crucial impetus to the Rothschild agenda. It was they who
> funded the Jewish terrorist operations like the Stern Gang and Irgun,
> which committed mayhem and murder to bring the State of Rothschild
> (Israel) into being in 1948. These terrorist groups, who slaughtered
> Jewish people with equal enthusiasm, were led by the very people who
> later rose to lead the new Israel...people like Menachem Begin, David
> Ben-Gurion, Yitzhak Rabin, and Yitzhak Shamir. It was these Rothschild-
> controlled Zionist gangs who murdered the international mediator Count
> Bernadotte on September 17, 1948, apparently because he had been
> intending to present a new partition resolution to the United Nations.
> And the Rothschilds were not satisfied with causing the unimaginable
> suffering of Jewish people under the Nazis, they also stole their
> wealth when the war was over, just as they stole the Russian wealth
> during the revolution they had financed.
> In early 1998, during a speaking tour of South Africa, I had a
> personal meeting with P.W. Botha, the apartheid President of South
> Africa during the 1980s. The invitation came out of the blue when I
> was speaking a few miles from his home. We spoke for an hour and a
> half about the manipulation of South Africa and it was not long before
> names like Henry Kissinger, Lord Carrington, and the Rothschilds came
> up.
> "I had some strange dealings with the English Rothschilds in Cape Town
> when I was president", he said, and he went on to tell me a story that
> sums up the Rothschilds so perfectly. He said they had asked for a
> meeting with him and his foreign minister, the Illuminati operative,
> Pik Botha (no relation). At that meeting, he said, the Rothschilds
> told him there was massive wealth in Swiss bank accounts which once
> belonged to German Jews and it was available for investment in South
> Africa if they could agree an interest rate. This is the very wealth,
> stolen from German Jews who suffered under the Nazis, which has come
> to 8
> light amid great scandal in recent years. The Rothschilds have been
> making a fortune from it since the war!! Botha told me he refused to
> accept the money, but Pik Botha left the meeting with the Rothschilds
> and he could not be sure that they did not come to some arrangement.
> Breathtaking? Of course it is, but the world is not how we think it
> is.
> To this day the Rothschilds continue to control the State that has
> their family symbol on it's flag and it is they who use that country
> and its people to maintain the conflict, both within its borders and
> with surrounding Arab countries, which has allowed the Illuminati-
> Rothschilds to control their so called "Arc of Crisis" in the Middle
> East through divide, rule, and conquer. It has allowed them, not
> least, to control the oil-producing countries since the war when the
> oil really came on line.
> PLEASE, JEWISH PEOPLE OF ISRAEL AND THE WORLD, LOOK AT THIS.
> YOU ARE BEING PLAYED OFF AGAINST THE NON-JEWISH RACES AND VISA-VERSA.
> YOU AND ALL OF US WHO CARE ABOUT OUR CHILDREN AND THE FREEDOM OF THE
> WORLD MUST UNITE AND FOCUS ON THE FORCE THAT IS PLAYING ALL PEOPLE
> LIKE A VIOLIN. FEAR OF EACH OTHER AND DIVIDE AND RULE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN
> THE BASIC TOOLS OF DICTATORS, GLOBAL AND OTHERWISE.
> AND I SAY THIS TO ARAB PEOPLE:
> NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, DO THE ROTHSCHILDS AND THE ILLUMINATI CONTROL
> ONLY ONE SIDE IN A CONFLICT. IF THEY DID THEY COULD NOT BE SURE OF THE
> OUTCOME AND THAT'S NOT THE WAY THEY PLAY THE GAME. IN EVERY
> SIGNIFICANT CONFLICT THEY CONTROL THE LEADERSHIP OF ALL FACTIONS, EVEN
> THOUGH THEY MAY FIGHT AND BATTLE WITH EACH OTHER ON THE PUBLIC STAGE.
> SO WE KNOW WHO CONTROLS THE JEWISH LEADERSHIP IN ISRAEL. THE
> ROTHSCHILDS AND THE ILLUMINATI.
> BUT WHO,THEREFORE, CONTROLS YASSER ARAFAT? I'll GIVE YOU ONE GUESS.
> THE SAME PEOPLE WHO CONTROLLED MENACHEM BEGIN OF ISRAEL AND PRESIDENT
> SADAT OF EGYPT DURING THE "PEACE AGREEMENT" OF THE CARTER PRESIDENCY.
> BEGIN, SADAT, AND CARTER, WERE ALL IMMUMINATI PUPPETS, JUST AS THE
> ISRAEL LEADERSHIP, ARAFAT, AND CLINTON ARE TODAY. IT'S A SCAM, A SHAM,
> A MOVIE FOR PUBLIC CONSUMPTION ONLY.
> WHAT IS DONE IS DONE AND THE PEOPLE OF ISRAEL-PALESTINE NEED TO WORK
> AND LIVE TOGETHER IN HARMONY AND MUTUAL RESPECT. THERE IS NO OTHER
> WAY, EXCEPT MORE DEATHS, MORE SUFFERING, MORE CONFLICT - EXACTLY WHAT
> THE ILLUMINATI AND THE ROTHSCHILDS WANT. THEY HAVE HORRENDOUS PLANS
> FOR ISRAEL IN WHICH ALL SIDES WILL SUFFER, NOT LEAST THEIR PLANS FOR A
> MAJOR EVENT AT THE TEMPLE MOUNT MOSQUE, THE SITE OF THE SO CALLED
> "TEMPLE OF SOLOMON" ACCORDING TO THE JEWISH BELIEF SYSTEM
> COME ON PEOPLES OF THE WORLD, NO MATTER WHAT YOUR RACE, COLOUR, OR
> CULTURE. NO MATTER WHAT YOUR RELIGIOUS BELIEF OR YOUR SPIN ON LIFE.
> THE FREEDOM, WHAT REMAINS OF IT, FOR ALL OF US IS AT STAKE HERE AND
> WHILE WE ARE DIVIDED ON THESE IRRELEVANT GROUNDS, THAT FREEDOM IS
> DOOMED.
> 9
> LETS WORK TOGETHER
> WHILE THERE IS STILL TIME.
> WAR IS OVER WHEN WE WANT IT. THE WORLD IS WHATEVER WE ALLOW IT TO BE.
> WE WANT TO CHANGE THE WORLD. OK, LET'S CHANGE OUTSELVES.
> PLEASE CIRCULATE THIS ARTICLE AS WIDELY AS POSSIBLE.
> THANK-YOU.
> DAVID ICKE
> NOTE: The book, The Bloodlines of the Illuminati, by Fritz Springmeier
> (Ambassador House, Westminster, Co 80030) is another excellent source
> of information about these subjects.
> Blood Lines of the Illuminati by Fritz Springmeier available from
> Amazon http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0966353323/tgsthegoodstew/
> Copyright(c) David Icke- Bridge of Love Publications
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> Other requests should be directed to BridgeofLoveUSA@aol.com
> http://www.davidicke.com/icke/articles/hitler.html
> http://www.davidicke.com/icke/articles/webtv/whitler.html
> http://www.immunotex.com/hitler/index.html
> The Hitler Files - Nazi Plans for America
> 10
>

That is nothing new. What still amazes me is that Rothschild's family knew 
about the repercussions against Jews and did nothing about it while fully 
supporting the war effort on both sides. 



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Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 12:46:33 -0400



"Colonel Sanders"  wrote in message 
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>
> snow wrote:
>
>> That is nothing new. What still amazes me is that Rothschild's family 
>> knew
>> about the repercussions against Jews and did nothing about it while fully
>> supporting the war effort on both sides.
>
> Not only they knew but they directed it.
>
> Hitler was often visited by Rothschilds.
>
> What was so important that they could not trust their own bullet-proof
> courier system and had to discus in person?
>
> It only makes sense why Hitler attacked USSR when you have a closer
> look at who was actually giving the orders.
>
> Although Stalin pretended that he is going along with the New World
> Order
> project publicly, and in that spirit did get the Molotov/Ribentrop
> agreement,
> he actually usurped power in USSR and was deemed uncontrollable by
> the Rothschids.
>
> By ordering the Nazis to attack the USSR, the Rothschilds were hoping
> to regain control in the USSR.
> At the same time Hitler was fed drugs to avoid suspicion and make it
> look
> Like the actions of a mad man.
>

Rothschilds were hoping to cash in on the conflict, which they have been 
doing since then. It is going on right now with Iraq-USA conflict where 
Israel's lobby of big bank and corporation owners judased USA into current 
situation. 



From snowonweb@hotmail.com Mon Nov 12 20:46:10 EST 2007
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Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 12:47:51 -0400



 wrote in message news:K8TVi.1032$a01.585@trnddc06...
>
> On 30-Oct-2007, "snow"  wrote:
>
>> Good thing Jewish leaders weren't aware of these mass graves, otherwise 
>> it
>>
>> would be 'investigated' as part of Holocaust.
>
> Good thing you aren't a history professor anywhere.

Neither are you. Thank G_D. 



From snowonweb@hotmail.com Mon Nov 12 20:46:10 EST 2007
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"B'enjamin C'ramer"  wrote in message 
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> Fucking yids are at it again.
>
> 600 Palestinian kids in Gaza have not been granted permission by Ersatz 
> israel to leave Gaza to attend universities overseas.
>
> So much for the "equal rights" bullshit these stinky yids keep marketing.
>
>

How can you be sure that these 600 kids are not terrorists, you can't, 
therefore the best way is to keep them fenced in the Gaza under surveillance 
just like a zoo animal. 



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"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message 
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> This woman might not be alive for too long. Her message is strong, I
> hope it gets passed to many people before it and she are removed.
>
> One impressive woman!
>
> Here is a powerful and amazing statement on Al Jazeera television.
>
> The woman is Wafa Sultan, an Arab-American psychologist from Los
> Angeles. I would suggest watching it ASAP because I don't know how
> long the link will be active. This film clip should be shown around
> the world repeatedly!
>
> http://switch3.castup.net/cunet/gm.asp?ai=214&ar=1050wmv&ak=nul
>
> -- 
> "No wonder years after the war was over he found some more
> diaries of Ann Frank and she did not know about it."
> (Kurt Knoll, Kitimat, B.C.'s Leading Revisionist Scholar)
> The Nizkor Project:                    http://www.nizkor.org/


Everyone is trying to make the conflict shallow when in reality there is 
much more to it than what media shows. Although the woman seems to be right, 
she is only partially right. If it is conflict of civilizations and not 
religion, why is that Muslim civilization is behind. is it because of their 
religion. It sure seems that way, but there are other Muslim countries that 
are democratic such as Turkey. She sure sounds like a paid cooperative whose 
job is to advertise conflict of civilizations instead of analyzing the 
conflict deeper. Then again if you dig too deep you may find yourself in 
trouble. So everyone is barking at the tree but no1 wants to climb it. 



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floresrikitic@hotmail.com wrote in news:1194102372.106987.4090@
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> LOL, geez, make up your mind Rosie.  It doesn't take much gray matter
> to realize that the chances of wide publication on pedophile rabbis
> are near nil.

Then how did she get the info?


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"Dr. Lippschitz"  wrote in news:637Xi.1534$Zz.319@trnddc07:

> Stop the jew tactics, as a jew I know them all and you're not fooling 
> anyone.

What proof you are a Jew?


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"Colonel Sanders"  wrote in message 
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> http://www.ziopedia.org/en/
>
> Due to popular demand. - Wiki got a new user interface.:)
>

Thanks for sharing. Personally I wasn't aware of existence of such website. 
Now I am going to spend couple of weeks to go through every article. Lots of 
information to absorb and share with the public. 



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"Bert Hyman"  wrote in message 
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> In news:lVNXi.18939$JD.14403@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net "snow"
>  wrote:
>
>> "Colonel Sanders"  wrote in message
>> news:1194262220.845943.227210@t8g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>>> http://www.zoopedia.org/en/
>>>
>>> Due to popular demand. - Wiki got a new user interface.:)
>>>
>>
>> Thanks for sharing. Personally I wasn't aware of existence of such
>> website. Now I am going to spend couple of weeks to go through every
>> article.
>
> Why? Are you a Nazi?
>
> Or just a masochist?
>
> -- 
> Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN bert@iphouse.com

Neither but absorbing knowledge seems to the right thing to do. 



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"127.0.0.1" <127.0.0.1@127.0.0.1> wrote in message 
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> On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 22:59:33 GMT
> "L Alpert"  wrote:
>
>> 127.0.0.1 wrote:
>> > This shouldn't really come a no surprise, these people have been
>> > lying about their persecution for thousands of years..
>>
>>
>> So WTF you gonna do about it?
>
> Laugh and point it out.
>


Is this considered a hate crime. She should be charged with hate crime plus 
have consultation with psychologist because such behavior is not normal. 



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 wrote in message news:kyrWi.1205$a01.578@trnddc06...
>
> On  1-Nov-2007, kmcvay@shell.vex.net (Kenneth McVay OBC) wrote:
>
>> In article <1193929775.868309.313540@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
>> Colonel Sanders   wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>> >> Then explain how it is that the cooperation of other American
>> >> companies, like IBM, for
>> >> example, are never mentioned by the antisemitic peanut gallery.
>> >>
>> >> I'll wait.
>> >
>> >> Was he now? Please document these visits, and show how they directed
>> >> Nazi policy.
>> >
>> >I think it was implied they were top secret.
>>
>> Translation: "I cannot document these visits. I knew that when I posted
>> the article."
>>
>> >Why Hitler never attacked Switzerland?
>>
>> Traditionally neutral and counterproductive.
>
> Actually, the jackass answers it himself in his next question ---
>>
>> >Why the Nazis preferred to deposit their loot there?
>>
>> Why did just about everyone in Europe prefer to deposit their loot there?
>
> And THIS is why he never attacked, them, duh!!!
>
>>
>> >I remember there were a few Swiss Bank/Nazi Gold scandals
>> >hashed-up by the Rothschilds.
>>
>> Document them.
>>
>> >And I can't remember but I think there was also a scandal
>> >involving Holocaust survivors money, too.
>>
>> And the greed of Swiss banks - old news.
>>
>> >> Then explain how it is that the cooperation of other American
>> >> companies, like IBM, for
>> >> example, are never mentioned by the antisemitic peanut gallery.
>> >
>> >IBM are not the Nazi gang Masters - the Rothschilds are.
>>
>> Prove it, then. Your opinion, while interesting, is meaningless in the
>> absence of fact.
>
> But the more lies he can spew, the better he feels.
>
> Susan
>>
>> IBM, by the way, made it possible for the NAZIs to keep track of their
>> victims throughout
>> the war, and made a great deal of money doing it. I guess Watson's not
>> being Jewish must
>> have something to do with your overlooking them?
>>
>> >Lets' make the Rothscilds stop dodging responsibility and pay compo.
>> >- For the death and destruction the've caused for their profit.
>>
>> You have yet to demonstrate that your assertions are correct. Please do 
>> so
>> now.
>>
>> >> I'll wait.
>> >
>> >The Nazi Rothschilds should compensate!
>> >
>> >Israel desrves the $300 billion they are asking for. - The ball is at
>> >Rothschild's court.
>> >
>>
>>


Wasn't Switzerland also a proxy that provided Germany with oil and steel 
supplies. 



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"Yosarian"  wrote in message 
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> On 8 Nov 2007 11:31:18 -0800, TurkeyBoy  wrote:
>
>>On Nov 8, 5:09 pm, "Patrick Keenan"  wrote:
>>> "RearGunner"  wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:MPG.219da7e2308d684898968f@west.usenet-news.net...
>>>
>>> > In article ,
>>> > onlytetr...@alltimes.yo says...
>>> >>http://www.interfax-news.com/3/312115/news.aspx
>>>
>>> > Your link does not work!
>>>
>>>  And no archives on  that site, so the primary places you can find the 
>>> story
>>> are Zundelsite and... David Icke.   Now there's a reliable source.
>>>
>>> Sure, I'll take the word of a guy who says we're controlled by reptoid
>>> shapeshifting aliens.   Why wouldn't I?
>>>
>>> -pk
>>
>>I used "Yitzhak Arad war crimes" on MSN search and got numerous hits
>>proving that Cramer's report is factual.
>>
>>Your and your "friends" credibility suffers when you deny things that
>>are this easy to prove.
>>
>>Have a nice denier day!
>
>
> News
> Send to friend | Print version
> Yitzhak Arad, former Director of the Yad Vashem museumSeptember 18,
> 2007, 10:55
> Lithuanian-Israeli row brewing over WW2 killings
> Israel has refused a request from Lithuania's chief prosecutor to
> question Yitzhak Arad, former Director of the Israeli Holocaust
> Museum. The prosecutor alleges that Arad was involved in the killing
> of Lithuanian civilians as a partisan fighter during World War Two.
> The dispute started with a small article in a local Lithuanian
> magazine, but grew to involve the governments of Israel and Lithuania,
> who are now deadlocked over what steps to take next.
>
>
>
> Until now they've not found even one Jew who would have killed
> defenceless Lithuanians. There were no Jews like this.

This is bunch of crap because there were bands of Bolshevik and communist 
Jews who murdered many defenseless people who opposed bolshevism. Not to say 
that Jews were the only ones participating in such attacks but to say that 
there was not even one Jew who would have killed defenseless Lithuanians is 
crap.
You can read more about Jewish support of Bolshevism and Communism here
http://www.electronicmuseum.ca/Poland-WW2/ethnic_minorities_occupation/jews.html







And in all the
> archives you will find the names of 23,000 Lithuanians who killed
> Jewish people.
>
> Joseph Melamed, President,
> Association of Lithuanian Jews in IsraelBased on quotes from his
> autobiography, and testimonies Yitzhak Arad gave at the trials of Nazi
> war criminals, Lithuania's chief prosecutor wants to question him for
> alleged crimes against Nazi collaborators.
>
> Mr Arad believes he was targeted as part of a general Lithuanian
> policy against pro-Soviet World War Two troops: "What, as I
> understand, they are investigating now, is actually the whole Soviet
> partisan movement," he says.
>
> Unlike ordinary Lithuanian civilians, his choice, as a Jewish teenager
> in a territory occupied by the Nazis, was for survival, Mr Arad says:
> "I saw as my obligation to fight those who were murderers of my
> people, those who were murderers of millions of other people. I saw it
> as my duty. I was proud of it. And of course, I saw it also as a
> matter of survival."
>
> The Israeli government says the request to question Yitzhak Arad is
> nothing short of outrageous.
>
> The issue in general first arose when Lithuania established a
> committee to examine the role of partisans in the killings of
> Lithuanian civilians.
>
> Leading historians in Israel charge that the committee was not
> established to discover the truth, but rather to ease Lithuania's
> acceptance into the European Union.
>
>
>
> 


From snowonweb@hotmail.com Mon Nov 12 20:46:35 EST 2007
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"TurkeyBoy"  wrote in message 
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> STALIN'S JEWS - Opinion from Israel, Ynetnews
>
> http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0%2C7340%2CL-3342999%2C00.html
>
> 12-21-6 Excerpts only...
>
> "We mustn't forget that some of greatest murderers of modern times
> were Jewish.

We already forgot. It is not being thought in modern western countries and 
only through internet media we are still aware of Jewish atrocities.


>
> We cannot know with certainty the number of deaths Cheka was
> responsible for in its various manifestations, but the number is
> surely at least 20 million, including victims of the forced
> collectivization, the hunger, large purges, expulsions, banishments,
> executions, and mass death at Gulags.
>
> Whole population strata were eliminated: Independent farmers, ethnic
> minorities, members of the bourgeoisie, senior officers,
> intellectuals, artists, labor movement activists, "opposition members"
> who were defined completely randomly, and countless members of the
> Communist party itself.
>
> And us, the Jews? An Israeli student finishes high school without ever
> hearing the name "Genrikh Yagoda," the greatest Jewish murderer of the
> 20th Century, the GPU's deputy commander and the founder and commander
> of the NKVD. Yagoda diligently implemented Stalin's collectivization
> orders and is responsible for the deaths of at least 10 million
> people. His Jewish deputies established and managed the Gulag system.
> After Stalin no longer viewed him favorably, Yagoda was demoted and
> executed, and was replaced as chief hangman in 1936 by Yezhov, the
> 'bloodthirsty dwarf'."
>
>
> On Oct 28, 5:05 am, kmc...@shell.vex.net (Kenneth McVay OBC) wrote:
>> [Follow-ups set]
>>
>> October 28
>>
>> 1944
>>
>> Anne Frank and her older sister Margot are deported from
>> Auschwitz-Birkenau to Bergen-Belsen concentration camp,
>> arriving on October 30. Both later die from typhus in Bergen-
>> Belsen shortly before liberation. (USHMM, 1994, p. 65)
>>
>> Raoul Wallenberg appears at Jozefvros freight station, where
>> a transport of Budapest Jews is being loaded for
>> deportation. He successfully demands the release of all
>> those holding Swedish protective passes. During the forced
>> marches of Jews from Budapest in the coming weeks,
>> Wallenberg manages to save a number of Jews holding Swedish
>> protective passes. (Ibid.)
>>
>> According to [SS Brigadier General] Veesenmayer, as of March
>> 19, 1942, there were approximately 800,000 Jews in Hungary.
>> Of these, 430,000 have been deported by October 28, 1944,
>> 150,000 are in Jewish labor battalions, and 200,000 remains
>> in Budapest. (Ibid.)
>>
>> October 28 - November 1
>>
>> Dora, previously a subcamp of Buchenwald, becomes an
>> independent concentration camp known as Dora-Mittelbau, with
>> 32,532 prisoners and twenty-three satellite camps. (USHMM, 1994, p. 65)
>>
>>                          Work Cited
>>
>> USHMM (United States Holocaust Memorial Museum). Fifty
>>    Years Ago: Darkness Before Dawn: Days of Remembrance, April
>>    3-10, 1994. Washington, D.C.: 1994
>> --
>> "But I was not diagnosed as 'morbidly obese' you evil
>> kike and you are perpetuating a lie started by your
>> fellow filthy kike hook nosed vermin named ..."
>> (Scott Bradbury, Bellville's Leading Revisionist Scholar)
>
> 


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"Protagonist"  wrote in message 
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> TurkeyBoy wrote:
>> STALIN'S JEWS - Opinion from Israel, Ynetnews
>>
>> http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0%2C7340%2CL-3342999%2C00.html
>>
>> 12-21-6 Excerpts only...
>>
>>  "We mustn't forget that some of greatest murderers of modern times
>> were Jewish.
>>
>> We cannot know with certainty the number of deaths Cheka was
>> responsible for in its various manifestations, but the number is
>> surely at least 20 million, including victims of the forced
>> collectivization, the hunger, large purges, expulsions, banishments,
>> executions, and mass death at Gulags.
>>
>> Whole population strata were eliminated: Independent farmers, ethnic
>> minorities, members of the bourgeoisie, senior officers,
>> intellectuals, artists, labor movement activists, "opposition members"
>> who were defined completely randomly, and countless members of the
>> Communist party itself.
>>
>> And us, the Jews? An Israeli student finishes high school without ever
>> hearing the name "Genrikh Yagoda," the greatest Jewish murderer of the
>> 20th Century, the GPU's deputy commander and the founder and commander
>> of the NKVD. Yagoda diligently implemented Stalin's collectivization
>> orders and is responsible for the deaths of at least 10 million
>> people. His Jewish deputies established and managed the Gulag system.
>> After Stalin no longer viewed him favorably, Yagoda was demoted and
>> executed, and was replaced as chief hangman in 1936 by Yezhov, the
>> 'bloodthirsty dwarf'."
>
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071027/wl_nm/ukraine_massacre_dc
>
> Ukraine reburies 2,000 victims of Stalin's rule Sat Oct 27, 1:15 PM ET
>
>
>
> Ukraine on Saturday reburied some 2,000 people killed by the Soviet secret 
> police over several years up to the Second World War and left in mass 
> graves at a site near the capital.
>
> The 1,998 bodies, 474 of which were Poles, were dug up earlier this year 
> at in Bykovnya, a village and woods in the suburbs were Ukranian officials 
> believe some 30,000 could have been buried during the 1930s and early 
> 1940s.
>
> The mass graves were filled with people -- others estimate up to 
> 100,000 -- that were tortured and shot by the dreaded NKVD, a precursor to 
> the KGB, during Stalin's repressive and violent rule in the run up to the 
> Russia's Great Patriotic War.
>
> "I was 8 years old. It was just three of us, father, mother and me. And 
> they took him," Maria Marzhetska said of the father who was seized by the 
> NKVD in 1937. "They said for 10 years he wouldn't write (home)."
>
> "Every morning, every evening we were at the police station," she said. 
> But she only found out his fate 60 years later.
>
> In the sombre ceremony which was attended by a hundred or so people, 
> simple red coffins, some draped with flags, were lowered one by one into 
> the ground and blessed by a priest. Relatives and officials prayed by 
> their side.
>
> Under Communist rule, the existence of mass graves filled with the victims 
> of Stalin's rule was denied and it was only in the 1990s that it was 
> acknowledged and a memorial was built.
>
> Polish historians and officials believe that several thousand Polish 
> soldiers and officers that were captured as Russia encroached Polish lands 
> to defeat the Nazis were buried there, like the estimated 15,000 massacred 
> near the Katyn woods.
>
> "This is a very important place for Poles because it is ... linked with 
> Katyn," said Andrzej Przewoznik, general secretary of Poland's Council for 
> the Protection of Monuments to Struggle and Martyrdom.
>
> "This is a place where we would like the Polish (Catholic) cross and 
> Polish memories of those people resting in the Bykovnya forest to be."


Good thing Jewish leaders weren't aware of these mass graves, otherwise it 
would be 'investigated' as part of Holocaust. 



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 wrote in message news:K8TVi.1032$a01.585@trnddc06...
>
> On 30-Oct-2007, "snow"  wrote:
>
>> Good thing Jewish leaders weren't aware of these mass graves, otherwise 
>> it
>>
>> would be 'investigated' as part of Holocaust.
>
> Good thing you aren't a history professor anywhere.

Neither are you. Thank G_D. 



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Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 12:22:13 -0400



"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message 
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> This woman might not be alive for too long. Her message is strong, I
> hope it gets passed to many people before it and she are removed.
>
> One impressive woman!
>
> Here is a powerful and amazing statement on Al Jazeera television.
>
> The woman is Wafa Sultan, an Arab-American psychologist from Los
> Angeles. I would suggest watching it ASAP because I don't know how
> long the link will be active. This film clip should be shown around
> the world repeatedly!
>
> http://switch3.castup.net/cunet/gm.asp?ai=214&ar=1050wmv&ak=nul
>
> -- 
> "No wonder years after the war was over he found some more
> diaries of Ann Frank and she did not know about it."
> (Kurt Knoll, Kitimat, B.C.'s Leading Revisionist Scholar)
> The Nizkor Project:                    http://www.nizkor.org/


Everyone is trying to make the conflict shallow when in reality there is 
much more to it than what media shows. Although the woman seems to be right, 
she is only partially right. If it is conflict of civilizations and not 
religion, why is that Muslim civilization is behind. is it because of their 
religion. It sure seems that way, but there are other Muslim countries that 
are democratic such as Turkey. She sure sounds like a paid cooperative whose 
job is to advertise conflict of civilizations instead of analyzing the 
conflict deeper. Then again if you dig too deep you may find yourself in 
trouble. So everyone is barking at the tree but no1 wants to climb it. 



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"Colonel Sanders"  wrote in message 
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> On Nov 10, 11:16 pm, "snow"  wrote:
>> The Real Motive Behind
>> 'Dept Of Global Anti-Semitism'
>> By Rev. Ted
>> 8-25-5
>>
>> On October 16, 2004 President Bush signed into law the Global 
>> Anti-Semitism
>> Review Act. It establishes a special department within the U.S. State
>> Department to monitor global anti-Semitism, reporting annually to 
>> Congress.
>>
>> This is more "Hate Crimes" legislation, orchestrated by the international
>> Jewish religious, educational, and fraternal organization, B'nai B'rith, 
>> and
>> its Anti-Defamation League. The new "Department of Global Anti-Semitism" 
>> is
>> designed to make critics of Israel not only into "anti-Semites" but
>> ultimately into "domestic terrorists."
>>
>> But first, what is anti-Semitism? Simple: It is the racist belief that 
>> Jews,
>> because of heredity, are evil, greedy, corrupting, subversive, 
>> degenerate,
>> etc. Hitler believed this. So do the KKK and certain "Christian identity"
>> and white supremacist groups.
>>
>> Such dehumanization of Jews is evil, un-Christian, un-American.
>>
>> On the other hand, if the actions of individual Jews, Jewish 
>> institutions,
>> Jewish religious or secular leaders, or the nation Israel have been evil,
>> then vehement criticism is not anti-Semitic. It is courageous and 
>> laudable.
>> Certainly, the Biblical prophets, including Christ, engaged in vitriolic
>> criticism of the sinful nation Israel and its false leaders. No one
>> considers them anti-Semitic.
>>
>> TWISTED DEFINITIONS OF "ANTI-SEMITISM"
>>
>> However, in its "Report on Global Anti-Semitism" and "Global 
>> Anti-Semitism
>> Report," the U.S. State Department ignores the above perspectives. Here 
>> is a
>> list of beliefs or activities the U.S. government now considers
>> anti-Semitic:
>>
>> 1. Any assertion "that the Jewish community controls government, the 
>> media,
>> international business and the financial world" is anti-Semitic.
>>
>> 2. "Strong anti-Israel sentiment" is anti-Semitic.
>>
>> 3. "Virulent criticism" of Israel's leaders, past or present, is
>> anti-Semitic. According to the State Department, anti-Semitism occurs 
>> when a
>> swastika is portrayed in a cartoon decrying the behavior of a past or
>> present Zionist leader. Thus, a cartoon that includes a swastika to
>> criticize Ariel Sharon's brutal 2002 invasion of the West Bank, raining
>> "hell-fire" missiles on hapless Palestinian men, women and children, is
>> anti-Semitic. Similarly, when the word "Zionazi" is used to describe
>> Sharon's saturation bombing in Lebanon in 1982 (killing 17,500 innocent
>> refugees), it is also "anti-Semitic."
>>
>> 4. Criticism of the Jewish religion or its religious leaders or 
>> literature
>> (especially the Talmud and Kabbalah) is anti-Semitic.
>>
>> 5. Criticism of the U.S. government and Congress for being under undue
>> influence by the Jewish-Zionist community (including AIPAC) is 
>> anti-Semitic.
>>
>> 6. Criticism of the Jewish-Zionist community for promoting globalism (the
>> "New World Order") is anti-Semitic.
>>
>> 7. Blaming Jewish leaders and their followers for inciting the Roman
>> crucifixion of Christ is anti-Semitic.
>>
>> 8. Diminishing the "six million" figure of Holocaust victims is
>> anti-Semitic.
>>
>> 9. Calling Israel a "racist" state is anti-Semitic.
>>
>> 10. Asserting that there exists a "Zionist Conspiracy" is anti-Semitic.
>>
>> 11. Claiming that Jews and their leaders created the Bolshevik Revolution 
>> in
>> Russia is anti-Semitic.
>>
>> 12. Making "derogatory statements about Jewish persons" is anti-Semitic.
>>
>> 13. Denying spiritually disobedient Jews the biblical right to re-occupy
>> Palestine is anti-Semitic.
>>
>> 14. Alleging that Mossad was behind the 9/11 attack is anti-Semitic.
>>
>> ANTI-SEMITISM IS A "HATE CRIME"
>>
>> In the Global Anti-Semitism Report, State Department spokespersons
>> Ambassador Edward O'Donnell and the head of the office of global
>> anti-Semitism, Ambassador Michael B. Kozak, defend the State Department's
>> definitions. O'Donnell's statement that he wants to "end all 
>> anti-Semitism
>> and other hate crimes" reveals that he considers anti-Semitism a hate 
>> crime.
>> Presumably, he would like such a "crime" to be punished.
>>
>> These State Department reports repeatedly equate "strong, anti-Israel
>> sentiment" and criticism of matters Jewish with "hate." They give no
>> recognition to the possibility that such criticism might be sincerely
>> motivated not by hate but by moral indignation or even love for the 
>> Jewish
>> people.
>>
>> The Report on Global Anti-Semitism repeatedly calls for passage, both
>> nationally and internationally, of "hate crime" legislation. These laws, 
>> the
>> brainchild of B'nai B'rith/ADL, also have as their ultimate goal making 
>> it a
>> "hate crime" to criticize Jews, matters Jewish, or the state of Israel.
>>
>> The Report on Global Anti-Semitism reeks with B'nai B'rith/ADL logic,
>> phraseology, and evidence of their incredible worldwide organizational 
>> and
>> statistic-gathering capacities. It contains thirty-three pages of minute
>> documentation of "anti-Semitic incidents" in fifty-eight countries of the
>> world, documentation which only B'nai B'rith/ADL, with its offices in 
>> more
>> than fifty countries, could compile or even be that vitally interested 
>> in.
>> Without a doubt, as with hate laws, this Global Anti-Semitism Review Act 
>> is
>> their creation.
>>
>> CRITICISM-FREE ZONE FOR JEWS
>>
>> Thus, the Department of Anti-Semitism, applauded and advised by B'nai
>> B'rith/ADL, is working to create a worldwide "criticism-free zone" for 
>> Jews
>> in the "New World Order" that is coming. This report ignores whether
>> criticisms of matters Jewish are true. What must be defended are the
>> sensitivities of the Jewish people! Consequently, relating such 
>> unflattering
>> realities as the anti-Christian, anti-Gentile contents of the Talmud and
>> Kabbalah, Jewish origins of bolshevism, Jewish dominance of Hollywood and
>> the media, Jewish control of Congress through AIPAC, Zionist atrocities 
>> and
>> abrasiveness in the Middle East is anti-Semitic. It is "hate." It does 
>> not
>> matter that such facts can be easily and extensively documented, often 
>> from
>> impeccable Jewish sources such as the Encyclopedia Judaica.
>>
>> All such anti-Semitism, this report says, is a "scourge," an "intolerable
>> burden," which "for an increasingly interdependent worldmust be ended."
>>
>> On the other hand, according to the U.S. State Department, there does 
>> exist
>> some possibility that "objective criticism" of Israel and its leaders can 
>> be
>> tolerated - that is, just as long as such criticism does not "cross the
>> line" and become "strong anti-Israel sentiment" and "virulent." Such
>> criticism should not "demonize" Jews, Jewish religious or political 
>> leaders,
>> or the state of Israel.
>>
>> However, what may be considered "virulence" or "demonization" by Zionists
>> may be seen as nothing more than salty truth-telling by critics of 
>> Israel.
>> Hypocritically, the State Department itself is not above "demonizing" 
>> strong
>> critics of Israel in the most "virulent" terms as a "plague" and 
>> "scourge"
>> on mankind!
>>
>> TURNING "ANTI-SEMITISM" INTO "DOMESTIC TERRORISM"
>>
>> The State Department's twisted definition of anti-Semitism provides
>> exponential opportunities to persecute Bible-believing Christians, 
>> anti-war
>> activists, Moslems, as well as publishers and broadcasters in the years
>> ahead. In fact, by turning "strong" criticism of the American/Zionist
>> coalition into "anti-Semitism and other hate crimes," the State 
>> Department
>> opens the door to eventual characterization of those who criticize Israel 
>> as
>> not only anti-Semites but also as "domestic terrorists."
>>
>> Here's how it can be done:
>>
>> Today, those who raise funds in America to support America's and Israel's
>> terrorist enemies are arrested as "domestic terrorists." But what if
>> articulate Americans provided something else, potentially even more 
>> valuable
>> to Israel's enemies: "strong criticism" of Israel? Such could weaken 
>> Israel
>> morally in the sight of the world, giving justification to the claims of 
>> her
>> terrorist enemies. Should they also be punished?
>>
>> As the Second World War was beginning in 1939, Charles Lindberg was 
>> publicly
>> critical of international Jews for inveigling America into a war to 
>> destroy
>> Hitler. Lindberg believed that Hitler should be allowed to do what he 
>> wanted
>> to do most, move east and destroy "Jewish Communism" in Russia.
>>
>> In 1944, 30 Americans, who agreed with Lindberg, were arrested for the 
>> crime
>> of "sedition," weakening America's resolve in the fight against fascism.
>> Later investigation under the Freedom of Information Act revealed that 
>> the
>> ADL, attempting to equate criticism of international Jews with Nazism, 
>> had
>> entirely created the FBI case.
>>
>> Records revealed that the ADL was "only warming up" by pursuing sedition
>> convictions against 30 innocent Americans. Their ultimate ambition was to
>> imprison prominent critics of evil Jewish leadership, especially Charles
>> Lindberg. Fortunately, ADL's attempt to transform 30 critics of
>> international Jews into "Nazis" failed when the judge died and the case 
>> was
>> dissolved.
>>
>> Today, America and Israel are allies in the "war on terror." Tomorrow,
>> especially if the war on terror intensifies and America and Israel 
>> cooperate
>> even more closely, criticism of America's ally in the war on terrorism 
>> may
>> be construed as "aiding and abetting the enemy." Such "strong criticism" 
>> or
>> anti-Semitism may be seen as not only weakening Israel, but America 
>> itself.
>>
>> Turning millions of Americans into anti-Semites for criticizing Israel is
>> thus a transition toward ADL's ultimate goal: making such persons 
>> "enemies
>> of the war on terror," i.e., "domestic terrorists."
>>
>> They then can be prosecuted under Homeland Security laws.
>>
>> CANADA: ALREADY MAKING "ANTI-SEMITES" INTO "DOMESTIC TERRORISTS"
>>
>> In Canada, we are seeing exactly this happen. Ernst Zundel is a Holocaust
>> revisionist who doubts that a full six million Jews were deliberately
>> murdered by the Nazis, largely by gassing. He asserts that untold numbers 
>> of
>> Jews in German internment camps, especially in the last years of the war,
>> died not in gas chambers, but as a result of massive, well-documented 
>> typhus
>> epidemics, which also killed countless Poles, Gypsies, Russians, etc. Yet 
>> in
>> Canada, thanks to ...
>>
>> read more »
>
>
> What a Tragic Comedy?!
>
> Anything American that starts with "Global" can simply not and with
> "Act".
>
> Making "Global" Laws seems to fall into the Wishful Thinking Category
> regardless
> of how noble their cause might be.
>
> How long before this Ridiculous Bunch of Washington Clowns also known
> collectively as
>
> "The Establishment" get the message that they are irrelevant to the
> rest of the world?
>
> - More to the point, how about "Global Regulation of the Loud Farting
> Act"?
>

United States has a tendency to use GLOBAL or WORLD to give that extra oomph 
and make it sound as USA controls the whole world. To me it sounds more as 
propaganda than reality as United States does not have global jurisdiction. 



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Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 12:22:13 -0400



"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message 
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> This woman might not be alive for too long. Her message is strong, I
> hope it gets passed to many people before it and she are removed.
>
> One impressive woman!
>
> Here is a powerful and amazing statement on Al Jazeera television.
>
> The woman is Wafa Sultan, an Arab-American psychologist from Los
> Angeles. I would suggest watching it ASAP because I don't know how
> long the link will be active. This film clip should be shown around
> the world repeatedly!
>
> http://switch3.castup.net/cunet/gm.asp?ai=214&ar=1050wmv&ak=nul
>
> -- 
> "No wonder years after the war was over he found some more
> diaries of Ann Frank and she did not know about it."
> (Kurt Knoll, Kitimat, B.C.'s Leading Revisionist Scholar)
> The Nizkor Project:                    http://www.nizkor.org/


Everyone is trying to make the conflict shallow when in reality there is 
much more to it than what media shows. Although the woman seems to be right, 
she is only partially right. If it is conflict of civilizations and not 
religion, why is that Muslim civilization is behind. is it because of their 
religion. It sure seems that way, but there are other Muslim countries that 
are democratic such as Turkey. She sure sounds like a paid cooperative whose 
job is to advertise conflict of civilizations instead of analyzing the 
conflict deeper. Then again if you dig too deep you may find yourself in 
trouble. So everyone is barking at the tree but no1 wants to climb it. 



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"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message 
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> In article <1194911145.378469.280980@v3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
> perfumeTheMovie   wrote:
>>Where oh where can the gas chambers be?
>
> We are waiting patiently for you to reveal the, er, "official version
> of the Holocaust," which you claimed exists.

Visit NIZKOR.COM for the official version of the holocaust



> Cat got your tongue?
>
> -- 
> "The Nizkor website (secretly financed by the ADL and other Jewish front
> organizations) is behind it." (David Irving, whining about Google's
> reminder of his disgrace.) The facts:
> http://nizkor.org/hweb/people/i/irving-david/judgment-00-00.html 



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Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 11:51:16 -0500



"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message 
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> In article <1194909973.655399.213550@v3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
> perfumeTheMovie   wrote:
>>Whoever murdered these people were bastards; more than bastards.
>>Decent folks sent to the east in cattle cars.  How many of these
>>people were traitors to the Reich?  Most were trying to make a
>>living.
>>But where are the gas chambers?
>
> We are waiting patiently for you to reveal the, er, "official version
> of the Holocaust," which you claimed exists.


NIZKOR.COM offers official version because the version before the age of 
internet wasn't too official.


>
> Cat got your tongue?
>
> -- 
> "Since all you knowledge is coming out of your holocaust
> Fairydale book I will not your naivety holding against
> you." (K. Knoll, Leading Revisionist Scholar)
> The Nizkor Project:                    http://www.nizkor.org/ 



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> On Nov 11, 2:23 pm, "Neil Harrington"  wrote:
>> "snow"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:dlHZi.5095$852.3993@newssvr17.news.prodigy.net...
>>
>>
>>
>> > "It's all a bit strange"  wrote in
>> > messagenews:Xns99E4A8885EB40TBAnoonecarescom@194.177.96.26...
>> >> To help snow with his reading/comprehension problem I'll post the two
>> >> definitions:
>>
>> >> 1)  A shorthand abbreviation of naZIDenier.
>>
>> >> 2)  Acronym for "Zero Intelligent Dolt" as in Kurt is a zid.
>>
>> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_ethnonym
>> > look under slavic countries so you will know where ZID or ZYD comes 
>> > from,
>> > zydzie pierdolony
>>
>> I think most everyone understands that "zid" or "zyd" means Jew, except
>> apparently the dim bulb you're replying to.
>>
>> Lately in this NG we've had other Holocaust promoters calling 
>> revisionists
>> names meaning Jew. I believe Oy Vey McVay for example was calling several 
>> of
>> us "zionazis" just a while ago.
>>
>> Either they're more confused than before, or they're just going 
>> completely
>> nuts. Maybe this shows that steadfast belief in Nazi gas chambers causes
>> one's brain to turn to soap.
>>
>> Neil
>
> Zid is a made up word in english; it can mean anything to anyone. In
> the context of nazi denier it is equivalent to Holocaust denier; it is
> a epidemiological neurological infectious pimple, if left unchecked
> turns into a ZID boil and if further left unchecked turned into a
> neurological infectious carbunkle.Alas, it is much easier to
> surgically cut out and drain a carbunkle than to treat a ZID despite
> the metaphor.

Zid is not a made up word, dumbass. Zid is the pronunciation of the word ZYD 
that comes from Polish and simply means Jew.
Just like the car manufacturer FORD, it was given many acronyms (Fix Or 
Repair Daily) but still FORD means FORD. So doesn't matter what acronyms you 
give to the word ZID. It simply means Jew in Slavic languages.  I knew RJ 
was dumb but you sound dumber than I though you would be.
Also, remember that Poland had the 2nd largest community of Jews before ww2, 
many Jews left Poland during the Nazi invasion and brought that word with 
them. Lately the word has been given negative connotation to it but there is 
no other word in Polish to say Jew.  Just because dumb RJ saw the word in 
soc,culture.polish, he got the meaning wrong.




>
> I can't speak for McVay but the term Zionazi, which is utterly absurd
> in light of the Holocaust, was issued forth by Turkey Butt Boy. I
> think McVay may have used it just to highlight how absurd it was.
>
> Michael Ragland
> 


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THE MILLIONS THAT COULD HAVE BEEN SAVED
By I. Domb
Many books have been published, read and forgotten. There is one book, =
however, which dare not be allowed to share this fate. This is the =
chronicles of Rabbi Michael Ber Weissmandl, ztl, of the war years, 1942 =
to 1945, so aptly named "Min Hametzar" (From the Depths). published in =
New York in 1961 in Hebrew. Not enough individuals have read this book. =
The ghastly facts uncovered in it are not sufficiently well known.=20

Who can imagine the Hitlerite holocaust? Where is the language to =
describe it? All the known words of human speech have already been used =
for conventional occurrences; they have acquired everyday meanings and =
have been fashioned with an inability to describe the horrors of an =
Auschwitz or a Treblinka. What can be said to make individuals =
understand the wild cries of the night, when our brothers and sisters =
were led to the slaughterhouses? And in what way can one convey the =
conversion of precious Jews to the status of animals preparatory to =
being slaughtered?=20

Skyscraping walls prevented their cries being heard, and in that =
horrible man-made silence, the most valuable portion of the Jewish =
people was compressed in the confines of the ghettos in hunger and in =
thirst, in epidemics and in torture, crying bitterly, only to =
themselves, until the end of their anguish; when they were loaded into =
the sealed anguish; when they were loaded in the sealed cattle-wagons =
for the week-long journeys, when their corpses and the still have-living =
reached the slaughterhouses and gas chambers. Where can existing words =
be found to fit this story, and who is there to coin new phrases with =
meaning enough to tell this tale?

Yet all this was done through a directive from an innocent-looking =
office, where the S.S. murderers, with the methods of modern =
civilization gave the orders which, by chain reaction, set in motion all =
the machinery of death and destruction to which a stop could not be =
envisaged. One stroke of the pen to extinguish a hundred thousand lives. =
A few words enough for a million. And these few officers set the wheels =
turning in Auschwitz, in Treblinka; the Einsatzkomandos; the deep pits =
on the lonely plains of Europe overflowing with human blood. So much =
power behind it, such a military might enforcing it that only the =
winning of the World War could interfere with this running horror.

But how astonished was Rabbi Weissmandl to discover that these strokes =
of the pen could so easily have been erased, that the Jewish tragedy =
could to a considerable extent, have been alleviated by some simple "old =
fashioned" methods. How many hundreds of thousands of Jewish lives could =
have been saved -- perhaps even millions.

Wisliceny was the German henchman for the Jews of Slovakia, Eichmann's =
representative in that area for establishing the ghettos, destroying =
their livelihood and finally dispatching to slaughter the hundreds of =
thousands of Jews in Slovakia and the neighboring countries. He carried =
out this mission as directed by Eichman and as his own cravings =
commanded. His was the first country in Europe to be designated for the =
supply of Jews to the slaughter houses, as it was Slovakia that was =
first occupied by Hitler--even earlier than Poland. The puppet =
government of Cardinal Tissu had asked Hitler to "cleanse" its country =
of Jews. Officially it even paid Germany for transportation, and =
Wisliceny was the ultimate ruler and organizer. He was nearly always =
drunk; drunk from spirits and intoxicated with blood -- and seemingly =
unassailable.

Rabbi Michael Ber Weissmandl, at the end of 1943, when two thirds of the =
Jews of Slovakia had already been transported for "work" to that far =
destination, got to know through a certain Hochberg -- an S.S. =
intriguer, and second in command to Wisliceny, that his chief was also =
lustful for money and that already on more than one occasion, money had =
bought relief for some individuals, postponing their deportation. =
Overwhelmed with joy at this discovery, he consulted his father-in-law, =
the great and renowned rabbi of Nitra, ztl, who agreed that if this =
old-fashioned method was effective, there was no reason why it would not =
be attempted on behalf of the great masses to be saved.

Rabbi Weissmandl writes of this same Hochberg, "I was first there on =
Friday in the summer of 1942 -- Tammuz, 5702. I was standing in the =
corridor near to the office of Hochberg and all of the waiting rooms =
around were crowded with those who had come to Hochberg to beg a =
postponement of that ultimate journey for "work in the east," as many =
still believed. I heard the voice of Hochberg speaking on the phone to =
his chief, Wisliceny saying, 'Her Hauptstumbandfuehrer, ich melde =
ghorehsamst, the train has left: Man 727, Women 637, Children 1667: =
altogether 3,028 Jawohl!' Never will this total leave my memory; 1600 =
children! No outcry and no tears. No one cares. The whole world is =
silent. Jawohl, Herr Hauptsturmbanfuehrer.

One of the famous men of Pressberg, Reb Aharon Gruenhut, finally =
succeeded in gaining confidence by Hochberg in Rabbi Weissmandl, for =
whom a secret appointment was arranged. On this occasion, the rabbi =
presented himself as one who had connections with rabbinical circles =
throughout the world. He showed Hochberg his passport that contained a =
British visa issued just before the outbreak of war, and told him of his =
visit to London and of conferences there to impress him with his high =
standing. He then made it clear that he had come on a secret mission of =
the highest importance as a representative of Jewry abroad, who had =
contacted him through the American "Joint" in Switzerland. Their message =
was that they were prepared to pay in cash for the stopping of all =
further transports of Jews from Slovakia to the east. The "Joint" was =
ready to pay the price that his chief, Wisliceny, would name. Rabbi =
Weissmandl emphasized that neither Hochberg nor Wisliceny should believe =
that his mission was directed by local Jews.

During this conversation with Hochberg in 1943, when the scales of war =
were already a little out of balance for Hitler's Germany after the =
heavy defeats in the east and the support of the allies by American =
might, Rabbi Weissmandl was able, with American might, Rabbi Weissmandl =
was able , with careful tact, to introduce doubts into Hochberg's mind =
about German world conquest, and more specifically about Hochberg's own =
position after the war. He conveyed to him that it would be very much to =
his and his chief's advantage to make some provisions for their own =
safety. In this respect, he was now authorized to offer the promise of =
World Jewry that if they would stop all further transports, he and =
Wisliceny would be save.

Hochberg became enraged at such suggestions, but as the conversation =
progressed, he became much softer and began to listen carefully to what =
was proposed. He listened and replied, "I must go to see Wisliceny."

He left immediately and Rabbi Weissmandl waited. Every minute seemed =
like an hour; every hour seemed endless. He sat there exhausted, =
awaiting the reply fateful for the remaining Jews of Slovakia, with so =
many hanging in the balance.

He had set there for many hours, when suddenly the door burst open and =
Hochberg hurried into the room. Speaking rapidly and with great =
excitement, he said, "the deal is done. My chief asked for $50,000 and =
no further transports will be sent; but he lays down the following =
terms: Wisliceny will show his goodwill: three transports -- next =
Tuesday, next Friday, the following Tuesday -- each of about 3000 souls, =
will be held up, but on Friday after that, the first Installment of =
$25,000 must be handed over. After that, there will be no further =
transports for seven weeks, to enable the second installment of $25,000 =
to be obtained and paid, after which there will be a final stopping of =
all transports. There is one further condition. You must be able to show =
that the money comes from abroad and not from Slovakian Jews =
themselves."

The latter was an important point to this S.S. henchman, as a guarantee =
that it was world Jewry who was behind the deal, and who would finally =
keep its promise for his safety. In any case, Rabbi Weissmandl did not =
then think that Slovakian Jews could possibly find such a sum, as by =
that time they had been stripped of all their possessions. On that other =
hand, he did not imagine for one moment that the wealthy "Joint" would =
not provide such a relatively small sum to save literally tens of =
thousands of lives from total annihilation in the German =
slaughterhouses.

Rabbi Weissmandl left Hochberg's office with hope and joy. He hurried =
home to Nitra to inform his father-in-law and to set about getting the =
deal consummated. The Rabbi of Nitra, in spite of his happiness at the =
possibility of saving so many lives, expressed some reservation. He felt =
that from a distance the "Joint" would not see their tragedy, and that =
the Zionist leaders working together with the "Joint" had a different =
calculation. But he suggested, representatives from beyond the =
"Kanzelel" -- the Council of Orthodox Jewish Communities -- should be =
drawn into this, and even the Zionists and non-Orthodox groups taken =
into partnership.

The name of Mrs. Gisi Fleischman came to the forefront, as she was of =
Zionist circles and also the pre-war representative of the "Joint" in =
Slovakia. Besides her prominence, she was a good-hearted and courageous =
women and her word would carry weight with the "Joint". It was also =
decidedly to call on Mr. Fuerst -- known for both his integrity and =
financial ability.

Among the weapons with which the Zionists have equipped themselves to =
pierce the walls of resistance to their influence, there is one most =
predominant. This is "ahavas Yisroel" -- love of the fellow Jew. This =
slogan and catch-phrase carries extra weight with the religious Jew to =
whom this concept has a special attraction. The Zionists have explained =
that their aim is achieving statehood is to provide a refuge and shelter =
for much tormented Jewry.=20


The long, bloody paths of our, till now, 2000 year long exile, with its =
inquisitions, persecutions, pogroms, slaughter and torture, has always =
been at the front of every Jews mind. Seldom was there a place on this =
earth inhabited by Jews, or a stretch of time, without blood and tears =
at the hands of our many persecutors of all nations. It was these =
pogroms that provided, for the short-sighted, the initial conditioning =
to seek a solution in the outward idea of Zionist achievements.=20

Possibly the Zionists, themselves, at the first steps of inception, were =
honestly taken by the idea of that solution; and it was this kernel of =
compassion that gave to them the power to influence others with this =
superficial consideration. Zionism has built on the basis that the =
solution of nationhood applicable to any other nation is in the same way =
also applicable to Jewry, as they could see no difference between the =
nations of the world and the Jewish people. As they see it, Jews =
regulate their fate by the same ways and means as all other peoples. The =
belief in exile by Heavenly Decree as a punishment for our sins, and the =
belief in Heavenly Redemption by the Will of the Creator was, to =
Zionism, non-existent. People's thoughts were not directed to the =
fundamental, all-embracing heresy upon which Zionism was established, =
but grasped only the attractive promises that were offered because =
unfortunately, Zionism arrived in the most feeble and small of all =
generation, coupled with distressing happenings, which contributed to =
the closing of people's minds to the truth and to their being led astray =
by the Zionist Idea.

How much were Rabbi Weissmandl and his colleagues overcome with joy when =
they succeeded in getting the right people together! How great was their =
hope! But how much were they overwhelmed by sorrow when they tried to =
get things in motion, and how great was their frustration when they =
learned that the Zionists, together with the "Joint", stopped every =
outside help from reaching them. This was not only when it was a =
question of saving the remnants of the Jews of Slovakia -- about 40,000 =
souls -- but also when the possibility of saving what was still left of =
the Jews of Poland and Hungary was in question; a matter then of =
millions of souls. Then, too, the Zionists deliberately prevented any =
help from being extended under various excuses that even a child could =
see through. This was their policy -- stupid and merciless -- but they =
perused it relentlessly. In the end, they admitted openly that their =
policy was not to help fellow Jews, but to let them perish in the tens =
of thousands and in their millions.

This is forever unforgettable and unforgivable. Zionist "ahavas Yisroel" =
must be displayed conspicuously and beyond any doubt.

The Friday when the first installment of $25,000 had to be paid was fast =
approaching and there was not yet a way how this money could be found =
for Wisliceny. Mrs. Flesichman was also the representative of the World =
Jewish Congress and well known to the Jewish Agency. She was, therefore, =
considered to be the most suitable person to make contact with these =
organizations. Her words would be listed to....=20

The pressure became even greater when it was seen the S.S. oligarchy was =
in earnest. The first transport has been stopped. But how can contact be =
made with Zurich, with New York and with Jerusalem, the seat of the =
Jewish Agency, which influenced and coordinated the work of these other =
two bodies? Slovakia was then a small country sealed off by the German =
occupation of the surrounding territory. There was no common border with =
any free country, so how could any message be conveyed to the outside =
world?

Shloime Stern was instrumental in finding a temporary solution. He =
obtained a diplomatic courier, who was prepared to take all the =
important messages to the "Joint" in Zurich. He was also able to borrow =
money, temporarily, from various sources in Slovakia, putting together =
the equivalent of the enormous sounding sum of $25,000. The money =
obtained was changed on the back market for dollars and handed over to =
Hochberg for Wisliceny. Hochberg accepted it and came back with the =
message that there would be no further transports for seven weeks, which =
time was set for the completion of the deal.

They were all convinced that once the diplomatic courier would get their =
message to the "Joint" and the Jewish Agency, not $50,000 but ten times =
$50,000 wold at once be put at their disposal for this and similar =
"deals." Surely Jews the world over would dance for joy upon hearing =
that at last the door was open in the inner circles of the S.S. and a =
way found to rescue their fellow Jews.

Mrs. Fleischman sat down to write the memorandum to Salli Mayer, the =
"Joint" representative in Switzerland. She was careful in her every =
word, explaining the situation of hope that had been ignited. The =
"Joint" should hasten its help at this last moment and miss the =
life-saving opportunity that had been so dramatically forced. The =
memorandum was sent to the "Joint", to the Jewish Agency and to a =
personal friend of hers, Mr. N. Schwalbe in Zurich. And then they sat =
down to wait.

Days went by, swallowed by weeks, and of the seven not many were left. =
The time for the final settlement was fast approaching and a great sum =
of money was needed. Many people had managed to escape from the hell of =
Poland to Slovakia on their way to Hungary and Romania, which were not =
yet being so intensely processed by the Hitler hordes. They were not a =
thousandth of a percent of those who were so brutally done to death, but =
still a number to be supported and a problem of Slovakian Jewry. Money =
was needed to bribe the Slovakian genarmerie and police to stop their =
pressure for the deportations to continue. Money was needed for the =
labor camps in Sered, Novaki and Wiener in Slovakia.

The Slovakian anti-Semitic government had built these camps for a slave =
labor before deportation began, and it was put to those Jews still left =
there that if they, themselves, would build up and increase the capacity =
of those labor camps, they would absorb more and so relieve the pressure =
for "deportations." and above all, the money was needed to refund the =
temporary loans from so many sources that had gone towards the first =
payment to Wisliceny and to provide the second $25,000 that would =
finally seal this blood transaction.

All this money was a matter of life or death for the tens of thousands =
of Jews in Slovakia and, in the end, for millions still alive throughout =
Europe. Who could provide and who should provide, if not the "Joint" and =
the Jewish Agency, who held possession of the vast sums of money given =
by Jews the world over for the help of their brethren in need? Was there =
anywhere at all any need that was greater?

The diplomatic courier left for Zurich, holding in his hands the =
lamentations of the strangling remnants of Jewry; in his hands, their =
appeal from death.

This courier had to spend some days in Zurich before his return. He was =
awaited with mounting anxiety, for with his advent were tied up all the =
hopes of the masses under sentence.

And he returned. But not even a letter was sent with him by those "help =
organizations" only a verbal message that they had no time to write, and =
of help there was no mention at all.=20

Rabbi Weissmandl writes that on hearing this message, they 'felt as =
though the house had collapsed on them'. It was only Mrs. Fleischman who =
started to explain matters after this great shock. She said that "uncle" =
Salli Mayer was a very cautious man and it was necessary to write again. =
It was also necessary to write to Mr. Silbersten, the Jewish Congress =
representative. "And who knows, maybe they are doing something great," =
she added. Maybe for such a big undertaking they had to refer to New =
York and Jerusalem -- who knows?

Rabbi Weissmandl, himself, followed up with letters to the Agency and =
the "Joint" in the name of the Rabbis left in Slovakia -- letters of =
tears and of pleading -- but still there was no reply. Meanwhile, the =
seven weeks had passed and they had to send to Hochberg, asking him to =
explain to Wisliceny that the messenger that was to bring the money from =
Switzerland had met with an accident and was delayed in a hospital =
there. He would be bringing the money in three or four weeks time. =
Wisliceny agreed to wait.=20

In the end, a letter did come from the "Joint"; a letter written by =
Salli Mayer, which said that $50,000 was a lot of money for such a small =
country, and that in the previous year's budget of the "joint", only a =
few thousand dollars had been allocated for them. The "Joint" had to be =
run according to their system. The explanation given in the memorandum =
why they now need all this money and the documentary evidence as to what =
was happening in Poland, to which country the "deportations" took place, =
were exaggerated stories. This was the way of Eastern European Jewry, =
who were always asking for money. In general, he added, it was =
impossible to send anything at all just then, as the money was coming =
>from America, which had prohibited the sending of funds to enemy =
countries. What was possible to do was to render some small help, =
monthly, if the "Joint" in Hungary would agree to do this out of the =
blocked account that been held since the outbreak of the war.

Rabbi Weissmandl and his colleagues read the letter, but they could not =
believe it had been written by fellow Jews. Their hearts stopped beating =
when its contents became clear to them. But this was not the end. There =
was a further letter. It fully explained the first. But it was more =
deadly and more devastating. It disclosed the bottomless abyss to which =
born- Jews can sink -- the responsibility of Zionism.=20

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THE MILLIONS THAT COULD HAVE BEEN SAVED
By I. = Domb

Many books have been published, read and = forgotten. There is=20 one book, however, which dare not be allowed to share this fate. This is = the=20 chronicles of Rabbi Michael Ber Weissmandl, ztl, of the war years, 1942 = to 1945,=20 so aptly named "Min Hametzar" (From the Depths). published in New York = in 1961=20 in Hebrew. Not enough individuals have read this book. The ghastly facts = uncovered in it are not sufficiently well known.

Who can imagine the Hitlerite holocaust? Where is = the=20 language to describe it? All the known words of human speech have = already been=20 used for conventional occurrences; they have acquired everyday meanings = and have=20 been fashioned with an inability to describe the horrors of an Auschwitz = or a=20 Treblinka. What can be said to make individuals understand the wild = cries of the=20 night, when our brothers and sisters were led to the slaughterhouses? = And in=20 what way can one convey the conversion of precious Jews to the status of = animals=20 preparatory to being slaughtered?

Skyscraping walls prevented their cries being = heard, and in=20 that horrible man-made silence, the most valuable portion of the Jewish = people=20 was compressed in the confines of the ghettos in hunger and in thirst, = in=20 epidemics and in torture, crying bitterly, only to themselves, until the = end of=20 their anguish; when they were loaded into the sealed anguish; when they = were=20 loaded in the sealed cattle-wagons for the week-long journeys, when = their=20 corpses and the still have-living reached the slaughterhouses and gas = chambers.=20 Where can existing words be found to fit this story, and who is there to = coin=20 new phrases with meaning enough to tell this tale?

Yet all this was done through a directive from an=20 innocent-looking office, where the S.S. murderers, with the methods of = modern=20 civilization gave the orders which, by chain reaction, set in motion all = the=20 machinery of death and destruction to which a stop could not be = envisaged. One=20 stroke of the pen to extinguish a hundred thousand lives. A few words = enough for=20 a million. And these few officers set the wheels turning in Auschwitz, = in=20 Treblinka; the Einsatzkomandos; the deep pits on the lonely plains of = Europe=20 overflowing with human blood. So much power behind it, such a military = might=20 enforcing it that only the winning of the World War could interfere with = this=20 running horror.

But how astonished was Rabbi Weissmandl to = discover that=20 these strokes of the pen could so easily have been erased, that the = Jewish=20 tragedy could to a considerable extent, have been alleviated by some = simple "old=20 fashioned" methods. How many hundreds of thousands of Jewish lives could = have=20 been saved -- perhaps even millions.

Wisliceny was the German henchman for the Jews of = Slovakia,=20 Eichmann's representative in that area for establishing the ghettos, = destroying=20 their livelihood and finally dispatching to slaughter the hundreds of = thousands=20 of Jews in Slovakia and the neighboring countries. He carried out this = mission=20 as directed by Eichman and as his own cravings commanded. His was the = first=20 country in Europe to be designated for the supply of Jews to the = slaughter=20 houses, as it was Slovakia that was first occupied by Hitler--even = earlier than=20 Poland. The puppet government of Cardinal Tissu had asked Hitler to = "cleanse"=20 its country of Jews. Officially it even paid Germany for transportation, = and=20 Wisliceny was the ultimate ruler and organizer. He was nearly always = drunk;=20 drunk from spirits and intoxicated with blood -- and seemingly = unassailable.

Rabbi Michael Ber Weissmandl, at the end of 1943, = when two=20 thirds of the Jews of Slovakia had already been transported for "work" = to that=20 far destination, got to know through a certain Hochberg -- an S.S. = intriguer,=20 and second in command to Wisliceny, that his chief was also lustful for = money=20 and that already on more than one occasion, money had bought relief for = some=20 individuals, postponing their deportation. Overwhelmed with joy at this=20 discovery, he consulted his father-in-law, the great and renowned rabbi = of=20 Nitra, ztl, who agreed that if this old-fashioned method was effective, = there=20 was no reason why it would not be attempted on behalf of the great = masses to be=20 saved.

Rabbi Weissmandl writes of this same Hochberg, "I = was first=20 there on Friday in the summer of 1942 -- Tammuz, 5702. I was standing in = the=20 corridor near to the office of Hochberg and all of the waiting rooms = around were=20 crowded with those who had come to Hochberg to beg a postponement of = that=20 ultimate journey for "work in the east," as many still believed. I heard = the=20 voice of Hochberg speaking on the phone to his chief, Wisliceny saying, = 'Her=20 Hauptstumbandfuehrer, ich melde ghorehsamst, the train has left: Man = 727, Women=20 637, Children 1667: altogether 3,028 Jawohl!' Never will this total = leave my=20 memory; 1600 children! No outcry and no tears. No one cares. The whole = world is=20 silent. Jawohl, Herr Hauptsturmbanfuehrer.

One of the famous men of Pressberg, Reb Aharon = Gruenhut,=20 finally succeeded in gaining confidence by Hochberg in Rabbi Weissmandl, = for=20 whom a secret appointment was arranged. On this occasion, the rabbi = presented=20 himself as one who had connections with rabbinical circles throughout = the world.=20 He showed Hochberg his passport that contained a British visa issued = just before=20 the outbreak of war, and told him of his visit to London and of = conferences=20 there to impress him with his high standing. He then made it clear that = he had=20 come on a secret mission of the highest importance as a representative = of Jewry=20 abroad, who had contacted him through the American "Joint" in = Switzerland. Their=20 message was that they were prepared to pay in cash for the stopping of = all=20 further transports of Jews from Slovakia to the east. The "Joint" was = ready to=20 pay the price that his chief, Wisliceny, would name. Rabbi Weissmandl = emphasized=20 that neither Hochberg nor Wisliceny should believe that his mission was = directed=20 by local Jews.

During this conversation with Hochberg in 1943, = when the=20 scales of war were already a little out of balance for Hitler's Germany = after=20 the heavy defeats in the east and the support of the allies by American = might,=20 Rabbi Weissmandl was able, with American might, Rabbi Weissmandl was = able , with=20 careful tact, to introduce doubts into Hochberg's mind about German = world=20 conquest, and more specifically about Hochberg's own position after the = war. He=20 conveyed to him that it would be very much to his and his chief's = advantage to=20 make some provisions for their own safety. In this respect, he was now=20 authorized to offer the promise of World Jewry that if they would stop = all=20 further transports, he and Wisliceny would be save.

Hochberg became enraged at such suggestions, but = as the=20 conversation progressed, he became much softer and began to listen = carefully to=20 what was proposed. He listened and replied, "I must go to see = Wisliceny."

He left immediately and Rabbi Weissmandl waited. = Every=20 minute seemed like an hour; every hour seemed endless. He sat there = exhausted,=20 awaiting the reply fateful for the remaining Jews of Slovakia, with so = many=20 hanging in the balance.

He had set there for many hours, when suddenly the = door=20 burst open and Hochberg hurried into the room. Speaking rapidly and with = great=20 excitement, he said, "the deal is done. My chief asked for $50,000 and = no=20 further transports will be sent; but he lays down the following terms: = Wisliceny=20 will show his goodwill: three transports -- next Tuesday, next Friday, = the=20 following Tuesday -- each of about 3000 souls, will be held up, but on = Friday=20 after that, the first Installment of $25,000 must be handed over. After = that,=20 there will be no further transports for seven weeks, to enable the = second=20 installment of $25,000 to be obtained and paid, after which there will = be a=20 final stopping of all transports. There is one further condition. You = must be=20 able to show that the money comes from abroad and not from Slovakian = Jews=20 themselves."

The latter was an important point to this S.S. = henchman, as=20 a guarantee that it was world Jewry who was behind the deal, and who = would=20 finally keep its promise for his safety. In any case, Rabbi Weissmandl = did not=20 then think that Slovakian Jews could possibly find such a sum, as by = that time=20 they had been stripped of all their possessions. On that other hand, he = did not=20 imagine for one moment that the wealthy "Joint" would not provide such a = relatively small sum to save literally tens of thousands of lives from = total=20 annihilation in the German slaughterhouses.

Rabbi Weissmandl left Hochberg's office with hope = and joy.=20 He hurried home to Nitra to inform his father-in-law and to set about = getting=20 the deal consummated. The Rabbi of Nitra, in spite of his happiness at = the=20 possibility of saving so many lives, expressed some reservation. He felt = that=20 >from a distance the "Joint" would not see their tragedy, and that the = Zionist=20 leaders working together with the "Joint" had a different calculation. = But he=20 suggested, representatives from beyond the "Kanzelel" -- the Council of = Orthodox=20 Jewish Communities -- should be drawn into this, and even the Zionists = and=20 non-Orthodox groups taken into partnership.

The name of Mrs. Gisi Fleischman came to the = forefront, as=20 she was of Zionist circles and also the pre-war representative of the = "Joint" in=20 Slovakia. Besides her prominence, she was a good-hearted and courageous = women=20 and her word would carry weight with the "Joint". It was also decidedly = to call=20 on Mr. Fuerst -- known for both his integrity and financial ability.

Among the weapons with which the Zionists have = equipped=20 themselves to pierce the walls of resistance to their influence, there = is one=20 most predominant. This is "ahavas Yisroel" -- love of the fellow Jew. = This=20 slogan and catch-phrase carries extra weight with the religious Jew to = whom this=20 concept has a special attraction. The Zionists have explained that their = aim is=20 achieving statehood is to provide a refuge and shelter for much = tormented Jewry.=20


The long, bloody paths of our, till now, 2000 = year long=20 exile, with its inquisitions, persecutions, pogroms, slaughter and = torture, has=20 always been at the front of every Jews mind. Seldom was there a place on = this=20 earth inhabited by Jews, or a stretch of time, without blood and tears = at the=20 hands of our many persecutors of all nations. It was these pogroms that=20 provided, for the short-sighted, the initial conditioning to seek a = solution in=20 the outward idea of Zionist achievements.

Possibly the Zionists, themselves, at the first = steps of=20 inception, were honestly taken by the idea of that solution; and it was = this=20 kernel of compassion that gave to them the power to influence others = with this=20 superficial consideration. Zionism has built on the basis that the = solution of=20 nationhood applicable to any other nation is in the same way also = applicable to=20 Jewry, as they could see no difference between the nations of the world = and the=20 Jewish people. As they see it, Jews regulate their fate by the same ways = and=20 means as all other peoples. The belief in exile by Heavenly Decree as a=20 punishment for our sins, and the belief in Heavenly Redemption by the = Will of=20 the Creator was, to Zionism, non-existent. People's thoughts were not = directed=20 to the fundamental, all-embracing heresy upon which Zionism was = established, but=20 grasped only the attractive promises that were offered because = unfortunately,=20 Zionism arrived in the most feeble and small of all generation, coupled = with=20 distressing happenings, which contributed to the closing of people's = minds to=20 the truth and to their being led astray by the Zionist Idea.

How much were Rabbi Weissmandl and his colleagues = overcome=20 with joy when they succeeded in getting the right people together! How = great was=20 their hope! But how much were they overwhelmed by sorrow when they tried = to get=20 things in motion, and how great was their frustration when they learned = that the=20 Zionists, together with the "Joint", stopped every outside help from = reaching=20 them. This was not only when it was a question of saving the remnants of = the=20 Jews of Slovakia -- about 40,000 souls -- but also when the possibility = of=20 saving what was still left of the Jews of Poland and Hungary was in = question; a=20 matter then of millions of souls. Then, too, the Zionists deliberately = prevented=20 any help from being extended under various excuses that even a child = could see=20 through. This was their policy -- stupid and merciless -- but they = perused it=20 relentlessly. In the end, they admitted openly that their policy was not = to help=20 fellow Jews, but to let them perish in the tens of thousands and in = their=20 millions.

This is forever unforgettable and unforgivable. = Zionist=20 "ahavas Yisroel" must be displayed conspicuously and beyond any = doubt.

The Friday when the first installment of $25,000 = had to be=20 paid was fast approaching and there was not yet a way how this money = could be=20 found for Wisliceny. Mrs. Flesichman was also the representative of the = World=20 Jewish Congress and well known to the Jewish Agency. She was, therefore, = considered to be the most suitable person to make contact with these=20 organizations. Her words would be listed to....

The pressure became even greater when it was seen = the S.S.=20 oligarchy was in earnest. The first transport has been stopped. But how = can=20 contact be made with Zurich, with New York and with Jerusalem, the seat = of the=20 Jewish Agency, which influenced and coordinated the work of these other = two=20 bodies? Slovakia was then a small country sealed off by the German = occupation of=20 the surrounding territory. There was no common border with any free = country, so=20 how could any message be conveyed to the outside world?

Shloime Stern was instrumental in finding a = temporary=20 solution. He obtained a diplomatic courier, who was prepared to take all = the=20 important messages to the "Joint" in Zurich. He was also able to borrow = money,=20 temporarily, from various sources in Slovakia, putting together the = equivalent=20 of the enormous sounding sum of $25,000. The money obtained was changed = on the=20 back market for dollars and handed over to Hochberg for Wisliceny. = Hochberg=20 accepted it and came back with the message that there would be no = further=20 transports for seven weeks, which time was set for the completion of the = deal.

They were all convinced that once the diplomatic = courier=20 would get their message to the "Joint" and the Jewish Agency, not = $50,000 but=20 ten times $50,000 wold at once be put at their disposal for this and = similar=20 "deals." Surely Jews the world over would dance for joy upon hearing = that at=20 last the door was open in the inner circles of the S.S. and a way found = to=20 rescue their fellow Jews.

Mrs. Fleischman sat down to write the memorandum = to Salli=20 Mayer, the "Joint" representative in Switzerland. She was careful in her = every=20 word, explaining the situation of hope that had been ignited. The = "Joint" should=20 hasten its help at this last moment and miss the life-saving opportunity = that=20 had been so dramatically forced. The memorandum was sent to the "Joint", = to the=20 Jewish Agency and to a personal friend of hers, Mr. N. Schwalbe in = Zurich. And=20 then they sat down to wait.

Days went by, swallowed by weeks, and of the seven = not many=20 were left. The time for the final settlement was fast approaching and a = great=20 sum of money was needed. Many people had managed to escape from the hell = of=20 Poland to Slovakia on their way to Hungary and Romania, which were not = yet being=20 so intensely processed by the Hitler hordes. They were not a thousandth = of a=20 percent of those who were so brutally done to death, but still a number = to be=20 supported and a problem of Slovakian Jewry. Money was needed to bribe = the=20 Slovakian genarmerie and police to stop their pressure for the = deportations to=20 continue. Money was needed for the labor camps in Sered, Novaki and = Wiener in=20 Slovakia.

The Slovakian anti-Semitic government had built = these camps=20 for a slave labor before deportation began, and it was put to those Jews = still=20 left there that if they, themselves, would build up and increase the = capacity of=20 those labor camps, they would absorb more and so relieve the pressure = for=20 "deportations." and above all, the money was needed to refund the = temporary=20 loans from so many sources that had gone towards the first payment to = Wisliceny=20 and to provide the second $25,000 that would finally seal this blood=20 transaction.

All this money was a matter of life or death for = the tens of=20 thousands of Jews in Slovakia and, in the end, for millions still alive=20 throughout Europe. Who could provide and who should provide, if not the = "Joint"=20 and the Jewish Agency, who held possession of the vast sums of money = given by=20 Jews the world over for the help of their brethren in need? Was there = anywhere=20 at all any need that was greater?

The diplomatic courier left for Zurich, holding in = his hands=20 the lamentations of the strangling remnants of Jewry; in his hands, = their appeal=20 >from death.

This courier had to spend some days in Zurich = before his=20 return. He was awaited with mounting anxiety, for with his advent were = tied up=20 all the hopes of the masses under sentence.

And he returned. But not even a letter was sent = with him by=20 those "help organizations" only a verbal message that they had no time = to write,=20 and of help there was no mention at all.

Rabbi Weissmandl writes that on hearing this = message, they=20 'felt as though the house had collapsed on them'. It was only Mrs. = Fleischman=20 who started to explain matters after this great shock. She said that = "uncle"=20 Salli Mayer was a very cautious man and it was necessary to write again. = It was=20 also necessary to write to Mr. Silbersten, the Jewish Congress = representative.=20 "And who knows, maybe they are doing something great," she added. Maybe = for such=20 a big undertaking they had to refer to New York and Jerusalem -- who = knows?

Rabbi Weissmandl, himself, followed up with = letters to the=20 Agency and the "Joint" in the name of the Rabbis left in Slovakia -- = letters of=20 tears and of pleading -- but still there was no reply. Meanwhile, the = seven=20 weeks had passed and they had to send to Hochberg, asking him to explain = to=20 Wisliceny that the messenger that was to bring the money from = Switzerland had=20 met with an accident and was delayed in a hospital there. He would be = bringing=20 the money in three or four weeks time. Wisliceny agreed to wait.

In the end, a letter did come from the "Joint"; a = letter=20 written by Salli Mayer, which said that $50,000 was a lot of money for = such a=20 small country, and that in the previous year's budget of the "joint", = only a few=20 thousand dollars had been allocated for them. The "Joint" had to be run=20 according to their system. The explanation given in the memorandum why = they now=20 need all this money and the documentary evidence as to what was = happening in=20 Poland, to which country the "deportations" took place, were exaggerated = stories. This was the way of Eastern European Jewry, who were always = asking for=20 money. In general, he added, it was impossible to send anything at all = just=20 then, as the money was coming from America, which had prohibited the = sending of=20 funds to enemy countries. What was possible to do was to render some = small help,=20 monthly, if the "Joint" in Hungary would agree to do this out of the = blocked=20 account that been held since the outbreak of the war.

Rabbi Weissmandl and his colleagues read the = letter, but=20 they could not believe it had been written by fellow Jews. Their hearts = stopped=20 beating when its contents became clear to them. But this was not the = end. There=20 was a further letter. It fully explained the first. But it was more = deadly and=20 more devastating. It disclosed the bottomless abyss to which born- Jews = can sink=20 -- the responsibility of Zionism.

------=_NextPart_000_00D6_01C825EF.8B73C250-- From snowonweb@hotmail.com Tue Nov 13 16:10:48 EST 2007 Article: 1225777 of alt.revisionism Xref: sn-us alt.revisionism:1225777 Path: sn-us!sn-feed-sjc-02!sn-xt-sjc-11!sn-xt-sjc-08!sn-xt-sjc-12!supernews.com!nntp.csufresno.edu!tethys.csu.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!newscon04.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!newsdst01.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com.POSTED!584e53d9!not-for-mail From: "snow" Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Pleas to rescue Jews in the Holocaust ignored by Zionist leaders (Rich Jews refuse to help their brothers and sisters, the poor Jews) Lines: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00DF_01C825EF.C6CA7E70" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1365 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1365 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 76.210.251.23 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com 1194974628 ST000 76.210.251.23 (Tue, 13 Nov 2007 12:23:48 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 12:23:48 EST Organization: AT&T http://yahoo.sbc.com X-UserInfo1: OX[SCW[DVBSSP_@YMZJ\_Q\@TJ_ZTB\MV@BT]UEK@YUDUWYAKVUOPCW[ML\JXUCKVFDYZKBMSFX^OMSAFNTINTDDMVW[X\THOPXZRVOCJTUTPC\_JSBVX\KAOTBAJBVMZTYAKMNLDI_MFDSSOLXINH__FS^\WQGHGI^C@E[A_CF\AQLDQ\BTMPLDFNVUQ_VM Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 12:21:54 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00DF_01C825EF.C6CA7E70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/pleasignored.html Pleas to rescue Jews in the Holocaust=20 ignored by Zionist leaders=20 The following message about bombing concentration camps and railways, = was an exhibit in the Kasztner libel case in Israel during the 1950's. = It was sent by Rabbi Michael B. Weissmandel, an organizer for rescue = activities operating in the quisling Nazi state of Slovakia. It provides = shocking and disturbing evidence of how the Zionist leadership ignored = the growing evidence of mass murder and crimes against humanity being = perpetrated against Europe's Jews=20 Here is the orginal letter from Rabbi Weissmandl:=20 May 15th, 1944 - In a cave near Lublin, Poland.=20 "Peace and Greetings.=20 "We send you this special message to inform you that yesterday the = Germans began the deportation of Jews from Hungary. It is the beginning = of deportation of all the Hungarian Jews.=20 "Every day, twelve thousand souls are being taken off. Four = deportations of forty-five such train-loads move daily out of Hungary. = Within twenty six days all that area will have been deported.=20 "The deported ones go to Auschwitz to be put to death by cyanide gas. = A great number are dead on arrival. The Germans allow a few of the = strongest to stay alive. Those who are allowed to live are branded with = a number burned into their arm and the Star of David burned into their = chest.=20 "Most of these privileged ones die within a month. Others take their = place.=20 "Those who go directly from the train to the gas chambers to be = suffocated are not branded. They are completely consumed in the ovens = and leave no evidence behind. These are 95% of each transport.=20 "The dead bodies are burned in specially made ovens. Each oven burns = 12 bodies an hour. In February there were 36 ovens burning. We have = learned that more have been built.=20 "Information supplied us by a few eyewitnesses reveals that in = February there were four disposal buildings. We have learned that more = have been built since then.=20 "Formerly, the Germans killed and burned the Jews in the Forest of = Birkenwald, near Auschwitz. Now the killing and burning take place in = the buildings shown on the enclosed map.=20 "In December, the Germans built special trains to transport the Jews = of Hungary to their extermination. This is the schedule of Auschwitz, = >from yesterday to the end; twelve thousand Jews - men, women and = children, old men, infants, healthy and sick ones - are to be suffocated = daily and their bones and ashes are to be used to fertilize the German = fields.=20 "And you - our brothers in Palestine, in all the countries of freedom, = and you, ministers of all the kingdom - how do you keep silent in the = face of this great murder ? Silent while thousand on thousands, reaching = now to six million Jews, were murdered. And silent now while tens of = thousands are still being murdered and waiting to be murdered? Their = destroyed hearts cry to you for help as they bewail your cruelty. Brutal = you are and murderers too you are, because of the cold-bloodedness of = the silence in which you watch.=20 "Because you sit with folded arms and you do nothing, though you could = stop or delay the murder of Jews at this very hour.=20 "In the name of the blood of the thousands on thousands who have been = murdered we beg, we plead, we cry out and demand that you take action, = that you do deeds now - at once!=20 "That the Ministers of Kingdoms and all the Lands raise a loud and = piercing outcry that must enter the ears of the world, the ears of the = German people, the ears of the Hungarian people. Let them cry out a = warning to the German murderers. Let them proclaim that they know all = that has been done in the past, and that which is still being done. And = the Pope, himself, should join in this cry of outrage against the German = murderers.=20 "Let this outcry be heard over all the radios and read in all the = newspapers of the world, that unless they stop at once the deportations = of Hungary's Jews - then will Germany be forever exiled from = civilization.=20 "We ask that the crematoria in Auschwitz be bombed from the air. They = are sharply visible, as shown on the enclosed map.=20 "Such bombing will delay the work of the German murderers.=20 "What is more important - to bomb persistently all the roads leading = >from Eastern Hungary to Poland and to bomb persistently the bridges in = the neighborhood of Karpatarus. Drop all other business to get this = done. Remember that one day of your idleness kills twelve thousand = souls.=20 "You, our brothers, sons of Israel, are you insane? Don't you know the = Hell around us? For whom are you saving your money?=20 "How is it that all our pleadings affect you less than the whimpering = of a beggar standing in your doorway? Murderers! Madmen! Who is it that = gives charity? You who toss a few pennies from your safe homes? Or we = who give our blood in the depths of Hell?=20 "There is only one thing that may be said in your exoneration - that = you do not know the truth. This is possible. The villain does his job so = shrewdly that only a few guess the truth. We have told you the truth = several times. Is it possible that you believe our murderers more than = you believe us? May God open your eyes and give you heart to rescue in = these last hours the remainder.=20 "Most important is that which I write about the bombing of the = Auschwitz Crematoria and the bridges leading to them.=20 "Such bombing can vitally delay the evil work of our slaughterers. And = G-d who keeps alive the last remnant of Israel will show His mercy for = which I pray. I pray as I write out of the sea of tears of the people of = Israel. We await G-d's help.=20 "One from the Market who witnesses the woes of his people"=20 (Rabbi Michael Dov Weissmandel, Exhibit of the Defence, no. 36, State = Attorney v. M. Grunwald, District Court, Jerusalem, CC124/53)=20 After the war, Rabbi Weissmandel expressed his frustration in "The = Holocaust Victims Accuse", a book by Rabbi Moshe Shonfeld (Neturei = Karta, USA, New York, 1977):=20 "Why didn't they try, from their place of freedom, to break through to = us and send us a secret messenger? This question becomes greater when we = see that the governments of Czechoslovakia and Poland, which were in = free lands, sent secret messengers daily to their loyal people in the = occupied countries. And therefore our amazement grows. Why don't the = great organizers of Jewry use these messengers if they have no other = way? And during all of the years since we developed this method, those = in the free countries did not once attempt to send messengers to us - = rather, WE had to send them and to pay for them. How many did we send = them only for the to return empty-handed - because those over there did = not have time to answer why?"=20 In answer to this, Rabbi Shonfeld quotes the Zionist leader Yitzhak = Greenbaum, who, after the war, stated:=20 "When they asked me, couldn't you give money out of the United Jewish = Appeal funds for the rescue of Jews in Europe, I said, 'NO!' and I say = again 'NO!' . . . one should resist this wave which pushes the Zionist = activities to secondary importance."=20 During the Kasztner case, Menachem Bader of the Jewish Agency was asked = "Did you receive this letter from Rabbi Weissmandel?" He answered: = "Letters like this came to us every day".=20 This is no ordinary letter - it is from a Rabbi who was a first-hand = witness of the holocaust. Note how Rabbi Weissmandel asks that the = crematoria in Auschwitz be bombed from the air. How it is "sharply = visible" - he clearly gave information that he hoped would be passed on = to help Allied air crews bomb the murder camps. Rabbi Weissmandl also = enclosed a map of the camps. Rabbi Weissmandel knew the bombing would = delay the work of the Nazis, which is why he spefically asked for the = Allies to bomb "persistently" all the roads leading from Eastern Hungary = to Poland and the bridges in the neighborhood of Karpatarus. He advised = the the Zionist leadership to "Drop all other business to get this done = . . . Remember that one day of your idleness kills twelve thousand = souls". Did they do this ? The overwhelming evidence suggests that the = Zionists ignored this - and other pleas - to save the majority of Jews = in Europe from the Holocaust, insteading they pursued the policy of = building the dream of Zionism - the creation of a Jewish state in = Palestine.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_00DF_01C825EF.C6CA7E70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 

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Pleas to rescue Jews in the Holocaust
ignored by = Zionist=20 leaders

The following message about = bombing=20 concentration camps and railways, was an exhibit in the Kasztner libel = case in=20 Israel during the 1950's. It was sent by Rabbi Michael B. Weissmandel, = an=20 organizer for rescue activities operating in the quisling Nazi state of=20 Slovakia. It provides shocking and disturbing evidence of how the = Zionist=20 leadership ignored the growing evidence of mass murder and crimes = against=20 humanity being perpetrated against Europe's Jews

Here is the orginal letter from Rabbi Weissmandl:=20

May 15th, 1944 - In a cave near Lublin, Poland.

"Peace and Greetings.

"We send you this special message to inform you = that=20 yesterday the Germans began the deportation of Jews from Hungary. It = is the=20 beginning of deportation of all the Hungarian Jews.

"Every day, twelve thousand souls are being taken = off. Four=20 deportations of forty-five such train-loads move daily out of Hungary. = Within=20 twenty six days all that area will have been deported.

"The deported ones go to Auschwitz to be put to = death by=20 cyanide gas. A great number are dead on arrival. The Germans allow a = few of=20 the strongest to stay alive. Those who are allowed to live are branded = with a=20 number burned into their arm and the Star of David burned into their = chest.=20

"Most of these privileged ones die within a month. = Others=20 take their place.

"Those who go directly from the train to the gas = chambers to=20 be suffocated are not branded. They are completely consumed in the = ovens and=20 leave no evidence behind. These are 95% of each transport.

"The dead bodies are burned in specially made = ovens. Each=20 oven burns 12 bodies an hour. In February there were 36 ovens burning. = We have=20 learned that more have been built.

"Information supplied us by a few eyewitnesses = reveals that=20 in February there were four disposal buildings. We have learned that = more have=20 been built since then.

"Formerly, the Germans killed and burned the Jews = in the=20 Forest of Birkenwald, near Auschwitz. Now the killing and burning take = place=20 in the buildings shown on the enclosed map.

"In December, the Germans built special trains to = transport=20 the Jews of Hungary to their extermination. This is the schedule of = Auschwitz,=20 from yesterday to the end; twelve thousand Jews - men, women and = children, old=20 men, infants, healthy and sick ones - are to be suffocated daily and = their=20 bones and ashes are to be used to fertilize the German fields.

"And you - our brothers in Palestine, in all the = countries of=20 freedom, and you, ministers of all the kingdom - how do you keep = silent in the=20 face of this great murder ? Silent while thousand on thousands, = reaching now=20 to six million Jews, were murdered. And silent now while tens of = thousands are=20 still being murdered and waiting to be murdered? Their destroyed = hearts cry to=20 you for help as they bewail your cruelty. Brutal you are and murderers = too you=20 are, because of the cold-bloodedness of the silence in which you = watch.

"Because you sit with folded arms and you do = nothing, though=20 you could stop or delay the murder of Jews at this very hour.

"In the name of the blood of the thousands on = thousands who=20 have been murdered we beg, we plead, we cry out and demand that you = take=20 action, that you do deeds now - at once!

"That the Ministers of Kingdoms and all the Lands = raise a=20 loud and piercing outcry that must enter the ears of the world, the = ears of=20 the German people, the ears of the Hungarian people. Let them cry out = a=20 warning to the German murderers. Let them proclaim that they know all = that has=20 been done in the past, and that which is still being done. And the = Pope,=20 himself, should join in this cry of outrage against the German = murderers.

"Let this outcry be heard over all the radios and = read in all=20 the newspapers of the world, that unless they stop at once the = deportations of=20 Hungary's Jews - then will Germany be forever exiled from = civilization.

"We ask that the crematoria in Auschwitz be bombed = >from the=20 air. They are sharply visible, as shown on the enclosed map.

"Such bombing will delay the work of the German = murderers.=20

"What is more important - to bomb persistently all = the roads=20 leading from Eastern Hungary to Poland and to bomb persistently the = bridges in=20 the neighborhood of Karpatarus. Drop all other business to get this = done.=20 Remember that one day of your idleness kills twelve thousand souls. =

"You, our brothers, sons of Israel, are you insane? = Don't you=20 know the Hell around us? For whom are you saving your money?

"How is it that all our pleadings affect you less = than the=20 whimpering of a beggar standing in your doorway? Murderers! Madmen! = Who is it=20 that gives charity? You who toss a few pennies from your safe homes? = Or we who=20 give our blood in the depths of Hell?

"There is only one thing that may be said in your = exoneration=20 - that you do not know the truth. This is possible. The villain does = his job=20 so shrewdly that only a few guess the truth. We have told you the = truth=20 several times. Is it possible that you believe our murderers more than = you=20 believe us? May God open your eyes and give you heart to rescue in = these last=20 hours the remainder.

"Most important is that which I write about the = bombing of=20 the Auschwitz Crematoria and the bridges leading to them.

"Such bombing can vitally delay the evil work of = our=20 slaughterers. And G-d who keeps alive the last remnant of Israel will = show His=20 mercy for which I pray. I pray as I write out of the sea of tears of = the=20 people of Israel. We await G-d's help.

"One from the Market who witnesses the woes of his = people"=20

 

 

(Rabbi Michael Dov Weissmandel, Exhibit of the Defence, no. 36, = State=20 Attorney v. M. Grunwald, District Court, Jerusalem, CC124/53)

After the war, Rabbi Weissmandel expressed his = frustration in=20 "The Holocaust Victims Accuse", a book by Rabbi Moshe Shonfeld (Neturei = Karta,=20 USA, New York, 1977):

"Why didn't they try, from their place of freedom, = to break=20 through to us and send us a secret messenger? This question becomes = greater=20 when we see that the governments of Czechoslovakia and Poland, which = were in=20 free lands, sent secret messengers daily to their loyal people in the = occupied=20 countries. And therefore our amazement grows. Why don't the great = organizers=20 of Jewry use these messengers if they have no other way? And during = all of the=20 years since we developed this method, those in the free countries did = not once=20 attempt to send messengers to us - rather, WE had to send them and to = pay for=20 them. How many did we send them only for the to return empty-handed - = because=20 those over there did not have time to answer why?"

In answer to this, Rabbi Shonfeld quotes the Zionist = leader=20 Yitzhak Greenbaum, who, after the war, stated:

"When they asked me, couldn't you give money out of = the United=20 Jewish Appeal funds for the rescue of Jews in Europe, I said, 'NO!' and = I say=20 again 'NO!' . . . one should resist this wave which pushes the Zionist=20 activities to secondary importance."

During the Kasztner case, Menachem Bader of the = Jewish Agency=20 was asked "Did you receive this letter from Rabbi Weissmandel?" He = answered:=20 "Letters like this came to us every day".

3D"Rabbi This is no ordinary letter - it is = >from a Rabbi=20 who was a first-hand witness of the holocaust. Note how Rabbi = Weissmandel asks=20 that the crematoria in Auschwitz be bombed from the air. How it is = "sharply=20 visible" - he clearly gave information that he hoped would be passed on = to help=20 Allied air crews bomb the murder camps. Rabbi Weissmandl also enclosed a = map of=20 the camps. Rabbi Weissmandel knew the bombing would delay the work of = the Nazis,=20 which is why he spefically asked for the Allies to bomb "persistently" = all the=20 roads leading from Eastern Hungary to Poland and the bridges in the = neighborhood=20 of Karpatarus. He advised the the Zionist leadership to "Drop all other = business=20 to get this done . . . Remember that one day of your idleness kills = twelve=20 thousand souls". Did they do this ? The overwhelming evidence suggests = that the=20 Zionists ignored this - and other pleas - to save the majority of Jews = in Europe=20 >from the Holocaust, insteading they pursued the policy of building the = dream of=20 Zionism - the creation of a Jewish state in Palestine. =

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IS IT TRUE that in 1941 and again in 1942, the German Gestapo = offered all European Jews transit to Spain, if they would relinquish all = their property in Germany and Occupied France; on condition that: a) none of the deportees travel from Spain to Palestine; and b) all the deportees be transported from Spain to the USA or British = colonies, and there to remain; with entry visas to be arranged by the = Jews living there; and c) $1000.00 ransom for each family to be furnished by the Agency, = payable upon the arrival of the family at the Spanish border at the rate = of 1000 families daily.=20 2.. IS IT TRUE that the Zionist leaders in Switzerland and Turkey = received this offer with the clear understanding that the exclusion of = Palestine as a destination for the deportees was based on an agreement = between the Gestapo and the Mufti.=20 3.. IS IT TRUE that the answer of the Zionist leaders was negative, = with the following comments: a) ONLY Palestine would be considered as a destination for the = deportees. b) The European Jews must accede to suffering and death greater in = measure than the other nations, in order that the victorious allies = agree to a "Jewish State" at the end of the war. c) No ransom will be paid=20 4.. IS IT TRUE that this response to the Gestapo's offer was made = with the full knowledge that the alternative to this offer was the gas = chamber.=20 5.. IS IT TRUE that in 1944, at the time of the Hungarian = deportations, a similar offer was made, whereby all Hungarian Jewry = could be saved.=20 6.. IS IT TRUE that the same Zionist hierarchy again refused this = offer (after the gas chambers had already taken a toll of millions).=20 7.. IS IT TRUE that during the height of the killings in the war, = 270 Members of the British Parliament proposed to evacuate 500,000 Jews = >from Europe, and resettle them in British colonies, as a part of = diplomatic negotiations with Germany.=20 8.. IS IT TRUE that this offer was rejected by the Zionist leaders = with the observation "Only to Palestine!"=20 9.. IS IT TRUE that the British government granted visas to 300 = rabbis and their families to the Colony of Mauritius, with passage for = the evacuees through Turkey. The "Jewish Agency" leaders sabotaged this = plan with the observation that the plan was disloyal to Palestine, and = the 300 rabbis and their families should be gassed.=20 10.. IS IT TRUE that during the course of the negotiations mentioned = above, Chaim Weitzman, the first "Jewish statesman" stated: "The most = valuable part of the Jewish nation is already in Palestine, and those = Jews living outside Palestine are not too important". Weitzman's cohort, = Greenbaum, amplified this statement with the observation "One cow in = Palestine is worth more than all the Jews in Europe".=20 There are additional similar questions to be asked of these atheist = degenerates known as "Jewish statesmen", but for the time being let them = respond to the ten questions. These Zionist "statesmen" with their great foresight, sought to bring = an end two two-thousand years of Divinely ordained Jewish subservience = and political tractability. With their offensive militancy, they fanned = the fires of anti-Semitism in Europe, and succeeded in forging a bond of = Jew-hatred between Nazi-Germany and the surrounding countries. These are the "statesmen" who organized the irresponsible boycott = against Germany in 1933. This boycott hurt Germany like a fly attacking = an elephant - but it brought calamity upon the Jews of Europe. At a time = when America and England were at peace with the mad-dog Hitler, the = Zionist "statesmen" forsook the only plausible method of political = amenability; and with their boycott incensed the leader of Germany to a = frenzy. And then, after the bitterest episode in Jewish history, these = Zionist "statesmen" lured the broken refugees in the DP camps to remain = in hunger and deprivation, and to refuse relocation to any place but = Palestine; only for the purpose of building their State. The Zionist "statesmen" have incited and continue to incite an = embittered Jewish youth to futile wars against world powers like = England, and against masses of hundreds of millions of Arabs. AND THESE SAME ZIONIST "STATESMEN" HEEDLESSLY PUSH THE WORLD TO THE = BRINK OF ANOTHER TOTAL WAR - REVOLVING ENTIRELY AROUND THE HOLY LAND. What may befall the Jewish inhabitants of Palestine, of the Arab = crescent, Europe, or the USA; is of no concern to these Zionist leaders. = The rising anti-Semitism in the Western World is the product of their = "statesmanship". Under the guise of "love of Israel", the Zionist "statesmen" seduced = many Jews to replace devotion to the Torah and its Sages with devotion = to the scoundrel who founded Zionism. It is of no little significance = that Herzl originally sought conversion of the Jews as a solution to the = problems of the Diaspora. When he realized that this was not acceptable = to the Jewish masses, he contrived Zionism as a satisfactory = alternative! A look into history reveals that this very same type of "statesmen" = opposed the call of Jeremiah the prophet to yield to the minions of = Nebuchadnezzar at the destruction of the first Temple. Five centuries = later, Rabbi Yochonon Ben Zakai appealed to the people to surrender to = Titus the Roman to avoid bloodshed. The "statesmen" rejected this = appeal, and the second Temple was destroyed by the Romans. --- And now = for the past fifty years, the Zionist "statesmen" rebuff the leadership = of our Sages; and continue in their policy of fomenting anti-Semitism. = When will they stop?? Must every Jew in America also suffer?? - Even the = Nazi monsters had more sense, and gave up their war before all Germany = was destroyed. The Zionist "statesmen" ridicule the sacred oath which = the Creator placed upon the Jews in the Diaspora. Our Torah, in Tractate = Ksubos, folio 111, specifies that the Creator, blessed be He, swore the = Jews not to occupy the Holy Land by force, even if it appears that they = have the force to do so; and not rebel against the Nations. And the = Creator warned that if His oath be desecrated, Jewish flesh would be = "open property", like the animals in the forest!! These are words of our = Torah; and these concepts have been cited in Maimonides' "Igeres = Teimon", "Be'er HaGola", "Ahavas Yehonosson", and in "Toras Moshe" of = the Chasam Sofer. IT IS COMMON KNOWLEDGE THAT ALL THE SAGES AND SAINTS IN EUROPE AT THE = TIME OF HITLER'S RISE DECLARED THAT HE WAS A MESSENGER OF DIVINE WRATH, = SENT TO CHASTEN THE JEWS BECAUSE OF THE BITTER APOSTASY OF ZIONISM = AGAINST THE BELIEF IN THE EVENTUAL MESSIANIC REDEMPTION. Yidden - merciful sons of merciful fathers - how much longer must holy = Jewish blood continue to be shed?? The only solution is:=20 1.. The Jewish people must reject, outright, a "Jewish State".=20 2.. The Jewish people should accept the US compromise.=20 3.. We must depose the atheist-Zionist "statesmen" from their role = as Jewish leaders, and return to the faithful leadership of our sages.=20 4.. We beseech the Nations to open all doors to immigration - not = only the doors of Palestine.=20 5.. Peaceful, non-Zionist religious personalities in Palestine, = (particularly from the native population) and their counterparts in the = Diaspora, should engage in responsible, face-to face negotiations on = behalf of the Jewish people, with the British and the Arabs; with an aim = of amicable settlement of the Palestine issue.=20 Every Jew is obliged to pray to the Blessed creator, for in Him lies = all our strength. Let us bear in mind that our prayers be forthright. = One should not entreat the Creator to provide a banquet on Yom Kippur, = and one can not perform a ritual ablution with a dead bug in his hand. = Similarly, we should avoid the untenable position of the robber who = prays for Divine help in carrying out his crime. We should pray that = Zionism and its fruits vanish from the Earth, and that we be redeemed by = the Messiah with dispatch. A prisoner is released only when he has served his time, or if he is = pardoned by the President for good behavior. If he attempts escape and = is apprehended, his term is lengthened, besides the beating he receives = when he is caught. Faithful Jews- for over three and one-half thousand years, in all = parts of the world, through all trials, our grandfathers and = grandmothers marched through seas of blood and tears in order to keep = the Faith of the Torah unswervingly. If we have compassion for = ourselves, for our women and children, and for the Jewish people, we = will maintain our golden legacy today. We have been sentenced to exile = by the King of Kings because of our sins. The eternal blessed be He, has = decreed that we accept the exile with humble gratitude until the time = comes, or until we merit His pardon through repentance if we seek to end = the exile with force, G-d will catch us, as our sages have forewarned, = and our sentence becomes longer and more difficult. Many times in the past have segments of our people been defrauded by = false messiahs - but none of the false messiahs has been as fallacious = and delusory as the lie of Zionism. With our historical experience as = our guide, no retribution has been or will be greater than the = retribution for giving credence to Zionism. If we wish our = exile-sentence commuted, we must appeal through repentance; and through = total physical and spiritual observance of the Sabbath, laws of family = purity, and study of Torah. Let it be clearly understood that never in Jewish history (even in the = time of Jeroboam or Achav) have such hostile atheists stood at the helm = of the Jewish people as today. How can we plead to the Almighty for mercy while we tolerate these = vile, "wicked" leaders as spokesmen! Beloved brothers - let us cleanse = our ranks and cleanse our midst; let us entreat the Almighty through = prayer, repentance, and fulfillment of mitzvos that He alone redeem us, = immediately. ------=_NextPart_000_00E8_01C825F0.1920AE10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Ten questions = to the Zionists=20
by Rabbi Michael Dov Weissmandl ZT"L
Dean of Nitra Yeshiva=20

  1. IS IT TRUE that in = 1941 and again=20 in 1942, the German Gestapo offered all European Jews transit to = Spain, if=20 they would relinquish all their property in Germany and Occupied = France; on=20 condition that:
    a) none of the deportees travel from Spain to = Palestine;=20 and
    b) all the deportees be transported from Spain to the USA or = British=20 colonies, and there to remain; with entry visas to be arranged by = the Jews=20 living there; and
    c) $1000.00 ransom for each family to be = furnished by=20 the Agency, payable upon the arrival of the family at the Spanish = border at=20 the rate of 1000 families daily.

  2. IS IT TRUE that the = Zionist leaders=20 in Switzerland and Turkey received this offer with the clear = understanding=20 that the exclusion of Palestine as a destination for the deportees = was based=20 on an agreement between the Gestapo and the Mufti.

  3. IS IT TRUE that the = answer of the=20 Zionist leaders was negative, with the following comments:
    a) = ONLY=20 Palestine would be considered as a destination for the = deportees.
    b) The=20 European Jews must accede to suffering and death greater in measure = than the=20 other nations, in order that the victorious allies agree to a = "Jewish State"=20 at the end of the war.
    c) No ransom will be paid

  4. IS IT TRUE that this = response to=20 the Gestapo's offer was made with the full knowledge that the = alternative to=20 this offer was the gas chamber.

  5. IS IT TRUE that in = 1944, at the=20 time of the Hungarian deportations, a similar offer was made, = whereby all=20 Hungarian Jewry could be saved.

  6. IS IT TRUE that the = same Zionist=20 hierarchy again refused this offer (after the gas chambers had = already taken=20 a toll of millions).

  7. IS IT TRUE that = during the height=20 of the killings in the war, 270 Members of the British Parliament = proposed=20 to evacuate 500,000 Jews from Europe, and resettle them in British = colonies,=20 as a part of diplomatic negotiations with Germany.

  8. IS IT TRUE that this = offer was=20 rejected by the Zionist leaders with the observation "Only to=20 Palestine!"

  9. IS IT TRUE that the = British=20 government granted visas to 300 rabbis and their families to the = Colony of=20 Mauritius, with passage for the evacuees through Turkey. The "Jewish = Agency"=20 leaders sabotaged this plan with the observation that the plan was = disloyal=20 to Palestine, and the 300 rabbis and their families should be = gassed.=20

  10. IS IT TRUE that = during the course=20 of the negotiations mentioned above, Chaim Weitzman, the first = "Jewish=20 statesman" stated: "The most valuable part of the Jewish nation is = already=20 in Palestine, and those Jews living outside Palestine are not too=20 important". Weitzman's cohort, Greenbaum, amplified this statement = with the=20 observation "One cow in Palestine is worth more than all the Jews in = Europe".

     

There are additional = similar=20 questions to be asked of these atheist degenerates known as "Jewish=20 statesmen", but for the time being let them respond to the ten=20 questions.

These Zionist = "statesmen" with their=20 great foresight, sought to bring an end two two-thousand years of = Divinely=20 ordained Jewish subservience and political tractability. With their = offensive=20 militancy, they fanned the fires of anti-Semitism in Europe, and = succeeded in=20 forging a bond of Jew-hatred between Nazi-Germany and the surrounding=20 countries.

These are the = "statesmen" who=20 organized the irresponsible boycott against Germany in 1933. This = boycott hurt=20 Germany like a fly attacking an elephant - but it brought calamity = upon the=20 Jews of Europe. At a time when America and England were at peace with = the=20 mad-dog Hitler, the Zionist "statesmen" forsook the only plausible = method of=20 political amenability; and with their boycott incensed the leader of = Germany=20 to a frenzy. And then, after the bitterest episode in Jewish history, = these=20 Zionist "statesmen" lured the broken refugees in the DP camps to = remain in=20 hunger and deprivation, and to refuse relocation to any place but = Palestine;=20 only for the purpose of building their State.

The Zionist "statesmen" = have incited=20 and continue to incite an embittered Jewish youth to futile wars = against world=20 powers like England, and against masses of hundreds of millions of=20 Arabs.

AND THESE SAME ZIONIST = "STATESMEN"=20 HEEDLESSLY PUSH THE WORLD TO THE BRINK OF ANOTHER TOTAL WAR - = REVOLVING=20 ENTIRELY AROUND THE HOLY LAND.

What may befall the = Jewish=20 inhabitants of Palestine, of the Arab crescent, Europe, or the USA; is = of no=20 concern to these Zionist leaders. The rising anti-Semitism in the = Western=20 World is the product of their "statesmanship".

Under the guise of = "love of Israel",=20 the Zionist "statesmen" seduced many Jews to replace devotion to the = Torah and=20 its Sages with devotion to the scoundrel who founded Zionism. It is of = no=20 little significance that Herzl originally sought conversion of the = Jews as a=20 solution to the problems of the Diaspora. When he realized that this = was not=20 acceptable to the Jewish masses, he contrived Zionism as a = satisfactory=20 alternative!

A look into history = reveals that this=20 very same type of "statesmen" opposed the call of Jeremiah the prophet = to=20 yield to the minions of Nebuchadnezzar at the destruction of the first = Temple.=20 Five centuries later, Rabbi Yochonon Ben Zakai appealed to the people = to=20 surrender to Titus the Roman to avoid bloodshed. The "statesmen" = rejected this=20 appeal, and the second Temple was destroyed by the Romans. --- And now = for the=20 past fifty years, the Zionist "statesmen" rebuff the leadership of our = Sages;=20 and continue in their policy of fomenting anti-Semitism. When will = they stop??=20 Must every Jew in America also suffer?? - Even the Nazi monsters had = more=20 sense, and gave up their war before all Germany was destroyed. The = Zionist=20 "statesmen" ridicule the sacred oath which the Creator placed upon the = Jews in=20 the Diaspora. Our Torah, in Tractate Ksubos, folio 111, specifies that = the=20 Creator, blessed be He, swore the Jews not to occupy the Holy Land by = force,=20 even if it appears that they have the force to do so; and not rebel = against=20 the Nations. And the Creator warned that if His oath be desecrated, = Jewish=20 flesh would be "open property", like the animals in the forest!! These = are=20 words of our Torah; and these concepts have been cited in Maimonides' = "Igeres=20 Teimon", "Be'er HaGola", "Ahavas Yehonosson", and in "Toras Moshe" of = the=20 Chasam Sofer.

IT IS COMMON KNOWLEDGE = THAT ALL THE=20 SAGES AND SAINTS IN EUROPE AT THE TIME OF HITLER'S RISE DECLARED THAT = HE WAS A=20 MESSENGER OF DIVINE WRATH, SENT TO CHASTEN THE JEWS BECAUSE OF THE = BITTER=20 APOSTASY OF ZIONISM AGAINST THE BELIEF IN THE EVENTUAL MESSIANIC=20 REDEMPTION.

Yidden - merciful sons = of merciful=20 fathers - how much longer must holy Jewish blood continue to be=20 shed??

The only solution = is:

  1. The Jewish people = must reject,=20 outright, a "Jewish State".

  2. The Jewish people = should accept the=20 US compromise.

  3. We must depose the = atheist-Zionist=20 "statesmen" from their role as Jewish leaders, and return to the = faithful=20 leadership of our sages.

  4. We beseech the = Nations to open all=20 doors to immigration - not only the doors of Palestine.

  5. Peaceful, non-Zionist = religious=20 personalities in Palestine, (particularly from the native = population) and=20 their counterparts in the Diaspora, should engage in responsible, = face-to=20 face negotiations on behalf of the Jewish people, with the British = and the=20 Arabs; with an aim of amicable settlement of the Palestine = issue.=20

 

Every Jew is obliged to = pray to the=20 Blessed creator, for in Him lies all our strength. Let us bear in mind = that=20 our prayers be forthright. One should not entreat the Creator to = provide a=20 banquet on Yom Kippur, and one can not perform a ritual ablution with = a dead=20 bug in his hand. Similarly, we should avoid the untenable position of = the=20 robber who prays for Divine help in carrying out his crime. We should = pray=20 that Zionism and its fruits vanish from the Earth, and that we be = redeemed by=20 the Messiah with dispatch.

A prisoner is released = only when he=20 has served his time, or if he is pardoned by the President for good = behavior.=20 If he attempts escape and is apprehended, his term is lengthened, = besides the=20 beating he receives when he is caught.

Faithful Jews- for over = three and=20 one-half thousand years, in all parts of the world, through all = trials, our=20 grandfathers and grandmothers marched through seas of blood and tears = in order=20 to keep the Faith of the Torah unswervingly. If we have compassion for = ourselves, for our women and children, and for the Jewish people, we = will=20 maintain our golden legacy today. We have been sentenced to exile by = the King=20 of Kings because of our sins. The eternal blessed be He, has decreed = that we=20 accept the exile with humble gratitude until the time comes, or until = we merit=20 His pardon through repentance if we seek to end the exile with force, = G-d will=20 catch us, as our sages have forewarned, and our sentence becomes = longer and=20 more difficult.

Many times in the past = have segments=20 of our people been defrauded by false messiahs - but none of the false = messiahs has been as fallacious and delusory as the lie of Zionism. = With our=20 historical experience as our guide, no retribution has been or will be = greater=20 than the retribution for giving credence to Zionism. If we wish our=20 exile-sentence commuted, we must appeal through repentance; and = through total=20 physical and spiritual observance of the Sabbath, laws of family = purity, and=20 study of Torah.

Let it be clearly = understood that=20 never in Jewish history (even in the time of Jeroboam or Achav) have = such=20 hostile atheists stood at the helm of the Jewish people as = today.

How can we plead to the = Almighty for=20 mercy while we tolerate these vile, "wicked" leaders as spokesmen! = Beloved=20 brothers - let us cleanse our ranks and cleanse our midst; let us = entreat the=20 Almighty through prayer, repentance, and fulfillment of mitzvos that = He alone=20 redeem us, immediately.

------=_NextPart_000_00E8_01C825F0.1920AE10-- From snowonweb@hotmail.com Tue Nov 13 16:10:52 EST 2007 Article: 1225779 of alt.revisionism Xref: sn-us alt.revisionism:1225779 Path: sn-us!sn-feed-sjc-01!sn-us!sn-feed-sjc-04!sn-xt-sjc-10!sn-xt-sjc-07!sn-xt-sjc-13!supernews.com!newshub.sdsu.edu!newscon04.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!newsdst01.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com.POSTED!584e53d9!not-for-mail From: "snow" Newsgroups: alt.revisionism References: <4oWdnVzNRMhUP6TanZ2dnUVZ_u6rnZ2d@giganews.com> Subject: Re: Salzman and her gang of thieves and professional liars Lines: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1365 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1365 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 76.210.251.23 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com 1194974821 ST000 76.210.251.23 (Tue, 13 Nov 2007 12:27:01 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 12:27:01 EST Organization: AT&T http://yahoo.sbc.com X-UserInfo1: [[PAPDCAOPTSC_TXMBND]_\@VR]^@B@MCPWZKB]MPXHZUSAANVUEAE[YETZPIWWI[FCIZA^NBFXZ_D[BFNTCNVPDTNTKHWXKB@X^B_OCJLPZ@ET_O[G\XSG@E\G[ZKVLBL^CJINM@I_KVIOR\T_M_AW_M[_BWU_HFA_]@A_A^SGFAUDE_DFTMQPFWVW[QPJN Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 12:25:07 -0500 "B'enjamin C'ramer" wrote in message news:4oWdnVzNRMhUP6TanZ2dnUVZ_u6rnZ2d@giganews.com... > Mikkel Andersson, information technology consultant Yale F. Edeiken, > attorney Richard J. Green, physical chemist Patrick J. Groff, computer > scientist Ralf Loserth, computer scientist Andrew E. Mathis, scholar of > English and American Literature Harry W. Mazal, chemist Jamie McCarthy, > computer scientist Gord McFee, historian and scholar of German History and > Literature Danny Mittleman, associate professor of information systems > Sara Salzman, Marketing Consultant John Zimmerman, associate professor of > accounting, business and economics > > Did the all fisted her at the same time or individually? From snowonweb@hotmail.com Tue Nov 13 16:10:52 EST 2007 Article: 1225783 of alt.revisionism Xref: sn-us alt.revisionism:1225783 Path: sn-us!sn-feed-sjc-02!sn-xt-sjc-11!sn-xt-sjc-07!sn-xt-sjc-13!supernews.com!newshub.sdsu.edu!newscon04.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!newsdst01.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com.POSTED!584e53d9!not-for-mail From: "snow" Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: 10 questions for leading revisionist scholar Ken McVay Lines: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00F4_01C825F0.76BEBE90" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1365 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1365 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 76.210.251.23 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com 1194974922 ST000 76.210.251.23 (Tue, 13 Nov 2007 12:28:42 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 12:28:42 EST Organization: AT&T http://yahoo.sbc.com X-UserInfo1: [[OGBVOGZZV[CFD[LZKJOPHAWB\^PBQLGPQRZQMIWIWTEPIB_NVUAH_[BL[\IRKIANGGJBFNJF_DOLSCENSY^U@FRFUEXR@KFXYDBPWBCDQJA@X_DCBHXR[C@\EOKCJLED_SZ@RMWYXYWE_P@\\GOIW^@SYFFSWHFIXMADO@^[ADPRPETLBJ]RDGENSKQQZN Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 12:26:49 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00F4_01C825F0.76BEBE90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 1.. IS IT TRUE that in 1941 and again in 1942, the German Gestapo = offered all European Jews transit to Spain, if they would relinquish all = their property in Germany and Occupied France; on condition that: a) none of the deportees travel from Spain to Palestine; and b) all the deportees be transported from Spain to the USA or British = colonies, and there to remain; with entry visas to be arranged by the = Jews living there; and c) $1000.00 ransom for each family to be furnished by the Agency, = payable upon the arrival of the family at the Spanish border at the rate = of 1000 families daily.=20 2.. IS IT TRUE that the Zionist leaders in Switzerland and Turkey = received this offer with the clear understanding that the exclusion of = Palestine as a destination for the deportees was based on an agreement = between the Gestapo and the Mufti.=20 3.. IS IT TRUE that the answer of the Zionist leaders was negative, = with the following comments: a) ONLY Palestine would be considered as a destination for the = deportees. b) The European Jews must accede to suffering and death greater in = measure than the other nations, in order that the victorious allies = agree to a "Jewish State" at the end of the war. c) No ransom will be paid=20 4.. IS IT TRUE that this response to the Gestapo's offer was made with = the full knowledge that the alternative to this offer was the gas = chamber.=20 5.. IS IT TRUE that in 1944, at the time of the Hungarian = deportations, a similar offer was made, whereby all Hungarian Jewry = could be saved.=20 6.. IS IT TRUE that the same Zionist hierarchy again refused this = offer (after the gas chambers had already taken a toll of millions).=20 7.. IS IT TRUE that during the height of the killings in the war, 270 = Members of the British Parliament proposed to evacuate 500,000 Jews from = Europe, and resettle them in British colonies, as a part of diplomatic = negotiations with Germany.=20 8.. IS IT TRUE that this offer was rejected by the Zionist leaders = with the observation "Only to Palestine!"=20 9.. IS IT TRUE that the British government granted visas to 300 rabbis = and their families to the Colony of Mauritius, with passage for the = evacuees through Turkey. The "Jewish Agency" leaders sabotaged this plan = with the observation that the plan was disloyal to Palestine, and the = 300 rabbis and their families should be gassed.=20 10.. IS IT TRUE that during the course of the negotiations mentioned = above, Chaim Weitzman, the first "Jewish statesman" stated: "The most = valuable part of the Jewish nation is already in Palestine, and those = Jews living outside Palestine are not too important". Weitzman's cohort, = Greenbaum, amplified this statement with the observation "One cow in = Palestine is worth more than all the Jews in Europe".=20 ------=_NextPart_000_00F4_01C825F0.76BEBE90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
  1. IS IT TRUE that in 1941 = and again in=20 1942, the German Gestapo offered all European Jews transit to Spain, = if they=20 would relinquish all their property in Germany and Occupied France; on = condition that:
    a) none of the deportees travel from Spain to = Palestine;=20 and
    b) all the deportees be transported from Spain to the USA or = British=20 colonies, and there to remain; with entry visas to be arranged by the = Jews=20 living there; and
    c) $1000.00 ransom for each family to be = furnished by the=20 Agency, payable upon the arrival of the family at the Spanish border = at the=20 rate of 1000 families daily.

  2. IS IT TRUE that the = Zionist leaders=20 in Switzerland and Turkey received this offer with the clear = understanding=20 that the exclusion of Palestine as a destination for the deportees was = based=20 on an agreement between the Gestapo and the Mufti.

  3. IS IT TRUE that the = answer of the=20 Zionist leaders was negative, with the following comments:
    a) ONLY=20 Palestine would be considered as a destination for the = deportees.
    b) The=20 European Jews must accede to suffering and death greater in measure = than the=20 other nations, in order that the victorious allies agree to a "Jewish = State"=20 at the end of the war.
    c) No ransom will be paid

  4. IS IT TRUE that this = response to the=20 Gestapo's offer was made with the full knowledge that the alternative = to this=20 offer was the gas chamber.

  5. IS IT TRUE that in = 1944, at the time=20 of the Hungarian deportations, a similar offer was made, whereby all = Hungarian=20 Jewry could be saved.

  6. IS IT TRUE that the = same Zionist=20 hierarchy again refused this offer (after the gas chambers had already = taken a=20 toll of millions).

  7. IS IT TRUE that during = the height of=20 the killings in the war, 270 Members of the British Parliament = proposed to=20 evacuate 500,000 Jews from Europe, and resettle them in British = colonies, as a=20 part of diplomatic negotiations with Germany.

  8. IS IT TRUE that this = offer was=20 rejected by the Zionist leaders with the observation "Only to=20 Palestine!"

  9. IS IT TRUE that the = British=20 government granted visas to 300 rabbis and their families to the = Colony of=20 Mauritius, with passage for the evacuees through Turkey. The "Jewish = Agency"=20 leaders sabotaged this plan with the observation that the plan was = disloyal to=20 Palestine, and the 300 rabbis and their families should be = gassed.

  10. IS IT TRUE that during = the course of=20 the negotiations mentioned above, Chaim Weitzman, the first "Jewish = statesman"=20 stated: "The most valuable part of the Jewish nation is already in = Palestine,=20 and those Jews living outside Palestine are not too important". = Weitzman's=20 cohort, Greenbaum, amplified this statement with the observation "One = cow in=20 Palestine is worth more than all the Jews in Europe".

     

------=_NextPart_000_00F4_01C825F0.76BEBE90-- From snowonweb@hotmail.com Tue Nov 13 16:10:53 EST 2007 Article: 1225785 of alt.revisionism Xref: sn-us alt.revisionism:1225785 Path: sn-us!sn-feed-sjc-01!sn-xt-sjc-10!sn-xt-sjc-07!sn-xt-sjc-13!supernews.com!newshub.sdsu.edu!newscon04.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!newsdst01.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com.POSTED!584e53d9!not-for-mail From: "snow" Newsgroups: alt.revisionism References: Subject: Re: Salzman was still a fat slag in May 2006 Lines: 2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1365 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1365 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 76.210.251.23 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com 1194975408 ST000 76.210.251.23 (Tue, 13 Nov 2007 12:36:48 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 12:36:48 EST Organization: AT&T http://yahoo.sbc.com X-UserInfo1: [[PAPDON_BRWSQDYZBCBNWX@RJ_XPDLMN@GZ_GYO^BTJUZ]CDVW[AKK[J\]^HVKHG^EWZHBLO^[\NH_AZFWGN^\DHNVMX_DHHX[FSQKBOTS@@BP^]C@RHS_AGDDC[AJM_T[GZNRNZAY]GNCPBDYKOLK^_CZFWPGHZIXW@C[AFKBBQS@E@DAZ]VDFUNTQQ]FN Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 12:34:54 -0500 "B'enjamin C'ramer" wrote in message news:FcWdnT1PF4BRA6TanZ2dnUVZ_uOmnZ2d@giganews.com... > http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee203/bencramer7/SaraSalzman.jpg > > Read about the fat slag here > > http://www.uchsc.edu/atp/files/Journeys%20Newsletters/Vol3.May2006.pdf Too much kosher food. http://www.fpp.co.uk/ActionReport/AR25/images/Sara_Salzman.jpg From snowonweb@hotmail.com Tue Nov 13 16:10:53 EST 2007 Article: 1225788 of alt.revisionism Xref: sn-us alt.revisionism:1225788 Path: sn-us!sn-feed-sjc-02!sn-xt-sjc-11!sn-xt-sjc-09!sn-xt-sjc-13!supernews.com!newshub.sdsu.edu!newscon04.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!newsdst01.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com.POSTED!584e53d9!not-for-mail From: "snow" Newsgroups: alt.revisionism References: Subject: Re: A bucket load of filth from the Salzman thing _ And it's permitted access to children _ For shame Lines: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1365 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1365 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 76.210.251.23 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com 1194975607 ST000 76.210.251.23 (Tue, 13 Nov 2007 12:40:07 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 12:40:07 EST Organization: AT&T http://yahoo.sbc.com X-UserInfo1: [[PAPDCAOPTSC_TXMBND]_\@VR]^@B@MCPWZKB]MPXHZUSAANVUEAE[YETZPIWWI[FCIZA^NBFXZ_D[BFNTCNVPDTNTKHWXKB@X^B_OCJLPZ@ET_O[G\XSG@E\G[ZKVLBL^CJINM@I_KVIOR\T_M_AW_M[_BWU_HFA_]@A_A^SGFAUDE_DFTMQPFWVW[QPJN Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 12:38:11 -0500 "B'enjamin C'ramer" wrote in message news:kaKdnQTr3cMZB6TanZ2dnUVZ_gednZ2d@giganews.com... > http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/msg/8b5634db1f82f914?&q=%22whiffle%22+ > > Newsgroups: alt.revisionism, soc.culture.usa, alt.sex.bondage > From: Anonymous-Remai...@See.Comment.Header (Dominatrix Sara) > Date: 22 Apr 2003 02:57:43 -0000 > Local: Tues, Apr 22 2003 12:57 pm > Subject: Re: Time to Celebrate -SECRET OF ADOLF HITLER > Reply to author | Forward | Print | Individual message | Show original | > Report this message | Find messages by this author > On Mon, 21 Apr 2003 11:07:31 -0700, <3ea433a0$0$49...@news.impulse.net> > > On Mon, 21 Apr 2003 11:07:31 -0700, <3ea433a0$0$49...@news.impulse.net> > "Waldo" wrote: >>"Dominatrix Sara Salzman" wrote in message >>news:catamont-DD429D.11052421042003@news.spellbndr.com... >>> I watched this woman speak for almost two hours. She sure didn't look >>> tortured to me. :) >>> Sara >>If anyone would know how to identify a "tortured" person, it would be you, >>Ms. "my master holds the rope just so" Salzman. >>Waldo > From: sschwa...@infinet.com > Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage > Subject: My Master Holds The Ropes Just So (poem) > Message-ID: > My Master holds the rope just so. > He knows me. Knows my moods. Knows the fear behind my eyes, both real and > imagined. > Those eyes widen as he gently lays the rope down, as he carefully, > methodically, systematically, lays the toys down on the bed. > Soft moans escape from behind gagged lips. I have been told to watch. > To see each and know that soon each will touch me. > He looks up briefly as he lays each down on the bed. Checking reactions. > Watching. > The short whip. A sigh. > The deerskin. The suede. > The small braided thong, the one that stings. A short moan. > The horsehair that stings but never marks. > The canes. The paddles. A pause. > I wait, knowing. > The small velvet bag that holds clamps. Clamps too severe for my breasts, > yet applied anyway. > A gasp. And then his smile. > He knows me. He knows I will take the pain to please him. He knows the > sacrifice I make to his Gods of Pain. He sees the torment in my eyes. The > desire to please. The love. The fear of the pain. > My Master holds the rope just so. > Through his fingers, around my wrists, making delicate rings softer than > steel. Stronger than steel. One on each wrist, a gentle bracelet that is > soon pulled tight, stretched to the bedposts and wrapped tightly. One on > each ankle. No matter how I tighten my muscles as he wraps the rope, still > it is perfectly tight. The circulation moves. > The ankle does not. > I lie face-up on the bed, my body a perfect X. Face up. Oh, Goddess, he's > going to whip my breasts. > But first, two small wooden clothespins bob before my eyes. I turn my > head, remember I am instructed to watch, turn back. The clothespins bite > the delicate flesh of each nipple. Grasp. Sting. Burn. He waits. > My Master knows me. Knows he can whip me, clothespins and all. Knows the > pain, where it will hurt the most, what I can and cannot take. > He waits. > The burning increases as the pins are removed. Ah, he will not whip me > with clothespins in place. But the moment when I was unsure, when the > blood pounded in my temples and the fear covered me like a shroud, then he > watched my eyes. > The whip falls. Which one is it now? I cannot turn my head to see which he > reaches for. But I know them all. I arch my back, try to stay still. > My Master knows me. Knows I will hold position as long as possible, before > the pain forces me to writhe, to turn, to try in vain to shield my > breasts. Knows the moment when I can no longer stay still. And precisely > then, says gently, "Don't move." > My Master holds the rope just so. Gently tugging at the knots, to release > arms and legs from bondage. Gently unwraps each wrist, each ankle. Rubs > each, and kisses the places where the rope has left its mark. The gag is > removed. I swallow. > "Kneel." > I crouch on the bed, head down, ass up, as he mounts the bed behind me. > His hands caress my ass softly, then spank sharply. Slowly, quickly, his > hand falls upon my ass. I wait for the moment, the pain/pleasure as he > will enter me. But not yet. First a gentle tapping, soft touch, as he > marks the place the cane will fall. I brace myself, plead with myself to > hold position, knowing each stroke brings a fire hotter than any flame. > Five strokes. Six. I have not moved. As the pain from each begins to > subside, a soft, half-sob. "Thank you, Master." > Eight. Nine. My knees give out, and I fall to the bed, sobbing. But > immediately back on my knees again. "Thank you, Master." > Ten. I am aware of nothing, save the pain. And his voice, as I am > commanded to orgasm, not from stimulation, not from his fingers or his > cock, but from pain alone. My body responds without hesitation. My > pleasure is screamed out for his pleasure. > Later, I will feel his cock inside me. I will feel the force as he thrusts > deep into me, bruising the tender flesh with his strength. Later I will > come, and come, and come, but only by his command. Later, we will lie > back, exhausted, as he cradles me in his arms, strokes me gently, whispers > in my ear. > But not yet. > Now he rises from the bed, returns to the toys so carefully laid out > before > me. > My Master holds the rope just so. > (c) 1994 Sara Schwartz aka Perrrfect > PLEASE DO NOT REPOST WITHOUT PERMISSION > From: sschwa...@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect) > Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage > Subject: Re: F. E. Campbell dead > Message-ID: > In article <47.26695....@hedonism.com>, bill.maj...@hedonism.com (Bill > Majors) wrote: >> Ummm...well here I go betraying my ignorance. What has Geoffrey Merrick >> written. I tend to remember stories, not authors. In fact had I not met >> Frank I would not have realized who he was except that his name was as >> prominant as the title of the books. > I don't know much about him, except that he published a series of hardcore > bondage books called the Tyler Series. They were wonderful! I'll try and > dig up the publisher and get back to you. > Perrrfect > From: sschwa...@infinet.com > Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage > Subject: Re: What is power? (was Re: Power Imbalance v. Power Exchange) > Message-ID: > In article <3gv6bm$...@crl9.crl.com>, verd...@crl.com (Janet W. Hardy) > wrote: >> Quick straw poll here: How many people have ever felt totally, >> completely safe during any S/M scene -- safeword or no, light or heavy, >> D/S or sensation-only? > Verdant: > I hate to muddle the semantics further, but... > safe? You mean safe that my Master won't break my leg or suffocate me to > the point of death in a scene? > 100%. Period. I know my Master would never cause tha kind of damage. > Safe, as in not getting hurt, or not getting hurt MORE thn I'd LIKE to > accept? > Certianly not 100%. Mastercat is always pushing limits, and pushing me to > the edge or slightly farther. > But safe in terms of not getting killed or left in bondage to die alone? > Absolutely 100%. And not only with my own Master, but I feel equally safe > with those other Dom(mes) he has had me play with. > Perrrfect > From: sschwa...@infinet.com > Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage > Subject: Re: Sex slave looking for couple in D.C. > Message-ID: > In article <3iajlv$...@news.cc.geneseo.edu>, (Mindy and Aaron Proietti) > wrote: >> Hello Tim. My name is Mindy and I am 23 years old. My husband Aaron and >> I >> just got married and we are looking for some new excitement in the >> bedroom. We >> are very interested in your offer, and we would like to get to know you >> (all of >> you) better. Please write back with a full (and true) description of >> yourself. >> Hope to hear from you soon. Mindy and Aaron > Mindy: > If you're in Washington, you should join The Power Exchange. It's a local > BBS that's exclusively for SM folks. They're some of the best folks > around. We've met many of the people from the Board personally, and at the > parties they hold. I highly recommend it! > Sara > PS. Sorry to post this publicly. I couldn't respond to you via e-mail from > your address. > From: sschwa...@infinet.com > Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage > Subject: Fist Fucking > Message-ID: > By the way... Elbow Grease IS WATER SOLUABLE. > Says so right on the label. > We've found for MANY things, it is "wetter" and slicker than KY. > Your mileage may, of course, vary. > Perrrfect > From: sschwa...@infinet.com > Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage > Subject: Re: Fist fucking (1) > Message-ID: > In article <3hg9a1$...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, lanton...@aol.com (L > Antoniou) wrote: >> Perhaps you should read the messages before responding. If you read all >> of mine, you will see that eventually I do suggest the "duck" position - >> all fingers together. What I (and Elf) was responding to was the >> suggestion that one *begin* fisting in that position. Of course, you go >> on to say *exactly that*. > In fact, Laura, I did NOT say you should begin in the "duck" position. I > just stated that it was the eventual position to achieve. > I'm sorry if I did not make that clear in my post. I *did* state that fist > fucking was not something I had done very often, and merely wanted to > impart my own (limited) experience. > From: sschwa...@infinet.com > Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage > Subject: GREAT NEWS!!! > Message-ID: > For those of you who weren't aware of it, SandMUtopia Guardian was on the > block. It looked like we were going to lose it for good. > However: > The Utopian Network (Adam Selene/Adam's Whips) has purchased it! > We've been talking to Gerry this weekend at Anything for Love here in > Columbus (Gerry = Jillian), and she says they have great plans for it! > It will be a quarterly at first, while they get the "hang" of publishing. > NO fiction, just informational articles, photographs, etc. > Lets cross fingers and wish them good luck! > Perrrfect > From: sschwa...@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect) > Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage > Subject: Re: What makes someone li > Organization: Cat's Lair > Message-ID: > In article <3hcclp$...@news.cerf.net>, eight...@cyberverse.com (Eightmeg) > wrote: >> jmil...@juris.com wrote: >> : My point about most people being abused was merely a comment....it had >> : no point to make other than to inquire... >> My Domina and I have wondered the same thing. My experience is >> that I went to a BBS meeting for a small city and a large portion of the >> people there were, to my dismay, a very unbalanced, retarded looking >> abused lot. I sort of expected the people at an S&M club to be like >> that. But when I went to the S&M club, the people (generally) looked >> normal, bright, intelligent, balanced and attractive! > What small city? Those of us who live in small cities and who practise D&M > don't think of ourselves as unbalanced or retarded at all. > I believe a SERIOUS apology is needed here. This is a truly offensive post > to me, at least. > Perrrfect > From: sschwa...@infinet.com > Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage > Subject: Re: BBS situation for comment > Message-ID: > In article <3h0ra3$...@tpe.ncm.com>, gri...@tpe.ncm.com (Bob Grimes) > wrote: >> The Power Exchange also has a dungeon avialable for members, but >> consenuality is not a problem. A submissive must accept a collar >> before the Dom who offered the collar can use >> that command and all other D/s commands. > Just to add a brief .02 here, not only is consensuality the basis for the > Dungeon on TPE, but the quality of the members also aids here. Just once, > I was addressed by a new member as "slut." Before I could even TYPE a > response, four other people on the Board had called this person (gently) > to task. I was impressed. > Perrrfect > From: sschwa...@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect) > Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage > Subject: Re: What's in a gag? > Followup-To: alt.sex.bondage > Organization: Cat's Lair > Message-ID: > In article <3gl7t9$6...@usenetp1.news.prodigy.com>, PEGA...@prodigy.com > (Steven Phillips) wrote: >> My wife wants to top her very truculant husband but need help in the >> gagging. Any good sugestions will be used. Our attempts seem to always >> fail. > There are a number of household items that make excellent gags. A small > piece of sponge wrapped in a bandana and then knotted. A "whiffle" golf > ball (practise ball) with a piece of cloth through it. A pair of panties, > or pantyhose. > What specific problems are you encountering? > Perrrfect > From: sschwa...@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect) > Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage > Subject: Re: YKINOKism revisited (was: Bigotry and Hatred. . .) > Followup-To: alt.sex.bondage > Organization: Cat's Lair > Message-ID: > In article <233416Z30011...@anon.penet.fi>, an129...@anon.penet.fi > (Laurelie) wrote: >> 1. If you can say that the kinks of murder, rape, non-consensual >> abuse are not ok (and there are people with these kinks!), then >> you too, believe that all kinks are not created equal. > My only problem with an otherwise excellent, well-written, and beautifully > punctuated post is this. Murder is a KINK? Perhaps I need a definition > here > of kink. > Granted, the dictionaries may not be too much help here, but the Webster's > 9th defines it (in our context) as "2. a mental or physical peculiarity: > eccentricity, quirk, whim, 3. a clever unusual way of doing something" > I'm just not certain I can view murderers and rapsist as merely people > with > different kinks than mine. > Can we get a good definition, Laurelie? > Thanks! > Dominatrix Sara > > > ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// > SALZMAN'S BEEN OUTED AND HAS THE SHITS > > In article , > > - Hide quoted text - > > Anonymous-Remai...@See.Comment.Header (Waldope) wrote: >> On Mon, 21 Apr 2003 11:07:31 -0700, <3ea433a0$0$49...@news.impulse.net> >> "Waldo" wrote: >> >"Sara Salzman" wrote in message >> >news:catamont-DD429D.11052421042003@news.spellbndr.com... >> >> I watched this woman speak for almost two hours. She sure didn't look >> >> tortured to me. :) >> >> Sara >> >If anyone would know how to identify a "tortured" person, it would be >> >you, >> >Ms. "my master holds the rope just so" Salzman. >> >Waldo > Thanks for proving what a piece of scum you are, Waldo, in addition to > being bonehead stupid. > Go get a dictionary sometime and look up the definition of "dominatrix," > then read the crap you posted and see why you're such an idiot. > Followups set so the folks in soc.culture.usa and alt.sex.bondage don't > need to read the rest of your moronic spew. > Sara > -- > If Ernst Zundel is a refugee, Daffy Duck is Albert Einstein. Some > propositions are so ludicrous that they are a betrayal of common > sense and human dignity if allowed a moment's oxygen. > - REX MURPHY, The Globe and Mail > /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// > > On 22 Apr 2003 03:21:16 GMT, > > Sara Salzman wrote: >>In article , >> Anonymous-Remai...@See.Comment.Header (Waldope) wrote: >>> On Mon, 21 Apr 2003 11:07:31 -0700, <3ea433a0$0$49...@news.impulse.net> >>> "Waldo" wrote: >>> >"Sara Salzman" wrote in message >>> >news:catamont-DD429D.11052421042003@news.spellbndr.com... >>> >> I watched this woman speak for almost two hours. She sure didn't look >>> >> tortured to me. :) >>> >> Sara > : >>> >If anyone would know how to identify a "tortured" person, it would be >>> >you, >>> >Ms. "my master holds the rope just so" Salzman. > She did fantasize about pain, having her tits whipped and being sodomized > didn't > she? >>> >Waldo > : >>Thanks for proving what a piece of scum you are, Waldo, in addition to >>being bonehead stupid. > "You know, you are sounding more and more like a 5-year-old. Grow up and > ignore the insults. That's what adults do." > -From: Sara Salzman > -Subject: Re: DALE ANN HUMPHREY > -Date: 22 Apr 2003 03:22:39 GMT > -Message-ID: >>Followups set so the folks in soc.culture.usa and alt.sex.bondage don't >>need to read the rest of your moronic spew. > The news groups were restored. > BTW YOU did write the "Prose" called "My Master Holds The Ropes Just So" > and > here it is: > > From: sschwa...@infinet.com > Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage > Subject: My Master Holds The Ropes Just So (poem) > Message-ID: > My Master holds the rope just so. > He knows me. Knows my moods. Knows the fear behind my eyes, both real and > imagined. > Those eyes widen as he gently lays the rope down, as he carefully, > methodically, systematically, lays the toys down on the bed. > Soft moans escape from behind gagged lips. I have been told to watch. > To see each and know that soon each will touch me. > He looks up briefly as he lays each down on the bed. Checking reactions. > Watching. > The short whip. A sigh. > The deerskin. The suede. > The small braided thong, the one that stings. A short moan. > The horsehair that stings but never marks. > The canes. The paddles. A pause. > I wait, knowing. > The small velvet bag that holds clamps. Clamps too severe for my breasts, > yet applied anyway. > A gasp. And then his smile. > He knows me. He knows I will take the pain to please him. He knows the > sacrifice I make to his Gods of Pain. He sees the torment in my eyes. The > desire to please. The love. The fear of the pain. > My Master holds the rope just so. > Through his fingers, around my wrists, making delicate rings softer than > steel. Stronger than steel. One on each wrist, a gentle bracelet that is > soon pulled tight, stretched to the bedposts and wrapped tightly. One on > each ankle. No matter how I tighten my muscles as he wraps the rope, still > it is perfectly tight. The circulation moves. > The ankle does not. > I lie face-up on the bed, my body a perfect X. Face up. Oh, Goddess, he's > going to whip my breasts. > But first, two small wooden clothespins bob before my eyes. I turn my > head, remember I am instructed to watch, turn back. The clothespins bite > the delicate flesh of each nipple. Grasp. Sting. Burn. He waits. > My Master knows me. Knows he can whip me, clothespins and all. Knows the > pain, where it will hurt the most, what I can and cannot take. > He waits. > The burning increases as the pins are removed. Ah, he will not whip me > with clothespins in place. But the moment when I was unsure, when the > blood pounded in my temples and the fear covered me like a shroud, then he > watched my eyes. > The whip falls. Which one is it now? I cannot turn my head to see which he > reaches for. But I know them all. I arch my back, try to stay still. > My Master knows me. Knows I will hold position as long as possible, before > the pain forces me to writhe, to turn, to try in vain to shield my > breasts. Knows the moment when I can no longer stay still. And precisely > then, says gently, "Don't move." > My Master holds the rope just so. Gently tugging at the knots, to release > arms and legs from bondage. Gently unwraps each wrist, each ankle. Rubs > each, and kisses the places where the rope has left its mark. The gag is > removed. I swallow. > "Kneel." > I crouch on the bed, head down, ass up, as he mounts the bed behind me. > His hands caress my ass softly, then spank sharply. Slowly, quickly, his > hand falls upon my ass. I wait for the moment, the pain/pleasure as he > will enter me. But not yet. First a gentle tapping, soft touch, as he > marks the place the cane will fall. I brace myself, plead with myself to > hold position, knowing each stroke brings a fire hotter than any flame. > Five strokes. Six. I have not moved. As the pain from each begins to > subside, a soft, half-sob. "Thank you, Master." > Eight. Nine. My knees give out, and I fall to the bed, sobbing. But > immediately back on my knees again. "Thank you, Master." > Ten. I am aware of nothing, save the pain. And his voice, as I am > commanded to orgasm, not from stimulation, not from his fingers or his > cock, but from pain alone. My body responds without hesitation. My > pleasure is screamed out for his pleasure. > Later, I will feel his cock inside me. I will feel the force as he thrusts > deep into me, bruising the tender flesh with his strength. Later I will > come, and come, and come, but only by his command. Later, we will lie > back, exhausted, as he cradles me in his arms, strokes me gently, whispers > in my ear. > But not yet. > Now he rises from the bed, returns to the toys so carefully laid out > before > me. > My Master holds the rope just so. > > Funny how much of a hypocrite you are Sara! You defamed me by posting a > quack > kook observation your father made based on out of context versions of my > "Bruno" > posts which were made in replies to evil little shits calling me a Nazi, > e-mail > bombing me, and making death threats which would have been obvious if the > posts > were quoted in full BUT you on the other hand posted the above and more > like it > because violence and pain titillates you which makes me believe those > visits you > got from Children's Protective Services weren't totally unfounded seeing > how > your husband bragged of training your young daughter to be a dominatrix > and how > your husband described a whipping machine which could be made from a > ceiling fan > and leather starp;s! Does the term hypocrisy enter your mind Sara "The > Fist" > Salzman? > I hope you and Yale try to litigate me again (and lose again) and have the > sense > to do it in the proper jurisdiction. We will compare what your bastard > father > said concerning my "Bruno" posts and how you posted his said "observation" > to > USENET to defame me and then the court will get to read YOUR writings and > your > writings and mine being comapred in full and in context and the situations > for > which they were written. My writings were in reply to defamation and > harassment-- your writings were for your masochistic sexual pleasures. I > hope to > see you in court Mistress Sara who wants her "breasts whipped." > You are one sick Yid. > This would make an impression too: > From: sschwa...@infinet.com > Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage > Subject: Re: What is power? (was Re: Power Imbalance v. Power Exchange) > Message-ID: > In article <3gv6bm$...@crl9.crl.com>, verd...@crl.com (Janet W. Hardy) > wrote: >> Quick straw poll here: How many people have ever felt totally, >> completely safe during any S/M scene -- safeword or no, light or heavy, >> D/S or sensation-only? > Verdant: > I hate to muddle the semantics further, but... > safe? You mean safe that my Master won't break my leg or suffocate me to > the point of death in a scene? > 100%. Period. I know my Master would never cause tha kind of damage. > Safe, as in not getting hurt, or not getting hurt MORE thn I'd LIKE to > accept? > Certianly not 100%. Mastercat is always pushing limits, and pushing me to > the edge or slightly farther. > But safe in terms of not getting killed or left in bondage to die alone? > Absolutely 100%. And not only with my own Master, but I feel equally safe > with those other Dom(mes) he has had me play with. > Perrrfect > >>Sara > Tavish > Special Note: Yale F. Edeiken Esq. of Allentown, Pennsylvania- Supreme > Court > ID# 40290 has falsely asserted he was associated with the two law firms > mentioned below-- Todd Miller & Associates and Trainor Law Offices. Both > law > firms told me first hand that Yale F. Edeiken was never an attorney at > their > firms!! That is fact! > http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=SH9g7.6-34%247d.225...@newshog.newsread.com&lr=&hl=en > From: "Yale F. Edeiken" > Subject: Re: The Common Thread To All These Cancel Announcements... > Message-ID: > Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 15:06:26 GMT > Defendant Bradshit wrote > in message news:7lp1otkrsh37k7ioip5nbd61u0j3nr47fn@4ax.com... > [...] >> Care to tell all of us why both Todd Miller and Paul Trainor distanced >> themselves from you > Because they were dealing with someone who was "mentally unstable" > (their dscription) and a "crazy man" (again, their description) who they > wanted to go away as quckly as possible. > ~~End of GOOGLE Archive~~ > Compare what Yale said on August 20, 2001 concerning two law firms > attitudes > toward his presence with his own words: "they were dealing with someone > who was > "mentally unstable" (their dscription) and a "crazy man" (again, their > description) who they wanted to go away as quckly as possible" to this > which was > posted July 4, 2000: "Tubby has no respect from the legal community and as > a > whole they wish he'd just waddle away." > http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=20000704143439.5399.qmail%40n... > From: SoloPos...@nym.alias.net > Subject: Yale _Tubby_ Edeiken > Date: 2000/07/04 > Message-ID: <20000704143439.5399.qm...@nym.alias.net> > ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// > Newsgroups: alt.revisionism, soc.culture.usa, alt.sex.bondage, > soc.culture.jewish > From: Sara Salzman > Date: 22 Apr 2003 22:36:04 GMT > Local: Wed, Apr 23 2003 8:36 am > Subject: Re: Time to Celebrate -SECRET OF ADOLF HITLER > Reply to author | Forward | Print | Individual message | Show original | > Report this message | Find messages by this author > In article <04abav00uf8hivke2up08gl9mdlecr7...@4ax.com>, > Wally Cleaver wrote: > Gloves are off, Fat Boy. Truce is over. I've tried to pity your sorry > ass, I even tried to care when you mentioned your various infirmities > and health problems. > But you're a slimy, hate-filled little sac of pus, and you deserve > everything you get. > Sara > -- > If Ernst Zundel is a refugee, Daffy Duck is Albert Einstein. Some > propositions are so ludicrous that they are a betrayal of common > sense and human dignity if allowed a moment's oxygen. > - REX MURPHY, The Globe and Mail > ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// > FIST FUCKING > From: sschwa...@infinet.com aka Sara Salzman > Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage > Subject: Fist Fucking > Message-ID: > Date: 12 Feb 95 04:19:44 GMT > By the way... Elbow Grease IS WATER SOLUABLE. > Says so right on the label. > We've found for MANY things, it is "wetter" and slicker than KY. > Your mileage may, of course, vary. > Perrrfect > From: sschwa...@infinet.com aka Sara Salzman > Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage > Subject: Re: Fist fucking (1) > Message-ID: > Date: 11 Feb 95 13:19:07 GMT > In article <3hg9a1$...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, lanton...@aol.com (L > Antoniou) wrote: >> Perhaps you should read the messages before responding. If you read all >> of mine, you will see that eventually I do suggest the "duck" position - >> all fingers together. What I (and Elf) was responding to was the >> suggestion that one *begin* fisting in that position. Of course, you go >> on to say *exactly that*. > In fact, Laura, I did NOT say you should begin in the "duck" position. I > just stated that it was the eventual position to achieve. > I'm sorry if I did not make that clear in my post. I *did* state that fist > fucking was not something I had done very often, and merely wanted to > impart my own (limited) experience. > > This is disgusting such people should be imprisoned. Law prohibits such lewd public behaviour. What makes it more disgusting is the picture http://www.fpp.co.uk/ActionReport/AR25/images/Sara_Salzman.jpg From snowonweb@hotmail.com Tue Nov 13 16:10:55 EST 2007 Article: 1225790 of alt.revisionism Xref: sn-us alt.revisionism:1225790 Path: sn-us!sn-feed-sjc-03!sn-us!sn-feed-sjc-02!sn-xt-sjc-11!sn-xt-sjc-07!sn-xt-sjc-12!supernews.com!nntp.csufresno.edu!tethys.csu.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!newscon04.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!newsdst01.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com.POSTED!584e53d9!not-for-mail From: "snow" Newsgroups: alt.revisionism References: Subject: Re: Salzman misuse of publicly funded law enforcement agents Lines: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1365 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1365 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 76.210.251.23 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com 1194975839 ST000 76.210.251.23 (Tue, 13 Nov 2007 12:43:59 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 12:43:59 EST Organization: AT&T http://yahoo.sbc.com X-UserInfo1: OX[SCW[DVBSSP_@YMZJ\_Q\@TJ_ZTB\MV@BT]UEK@YUDUWYAKVUOPCW[ML\JXUCKVFDYZKBMSFX^OMSAFNTINTDDMVW[X\THOPXZRVOCJTUTPC\_JSBVX\KAOTBAJBVMZTYAKMNLDI_MFDSSOLXINH__FS^\WQGHGI^C@E[A_CF\AQLDQ\BTMPLDFNVUQ_VM Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 12:42:05 -0500 "B'enjamin C'ramer" wrote in message news:gdedneB0FrL8BKTanZ2dnUVZ_vmlnZ2d@giganews.com... > Let's get the British bastard! > How emails from a badly leaking laptop scuppered the violent plans of the > traditional enemies of Free Speech in Colorado > > DENVER Jewess Sara Salzman (below) was the brain behind plans for the > disruption of Mr Irving's December 22, 2003 visit to the city. > In doing so, she risked federal prosecution for conspiring to violate the > civil rights of his audience. As a Holocaust professional and webmaster > (she > has claimed that her Holocaust website gets Six Million "hits" each month) > she expected to get away with it. > Her gang laid plans in several directions. All failed. One of the earlier, > less violent projects was to infiltrate into the audience her husband, > whom > she described as a big -- i.e., obese -- man, and have him purchase an > Irving book; he would then produce the cancelled check to claim that the > British historian was "violating his visa status." > Her computer records show that she sent over fifty emails to Denver Jewish > groups asking for support. > Most responded cautiously, asking what Abe Foxman's Anti-Defamation League > was doing about the visit. > The answer was, nothing. The ADL had burnt its fingers badly when it > authorized illegal wiretaps on a Colorado couple and publicly smeared them > as anti-Semites. > A Denver court ordered the ADL to pay $9.75 million in libel damages; the > organisation's appeal was dismissed in April 2003. Even for an > organization > as wealthy as the ADL (annual budget, $50 million) that kind of award > hurts. > They were not keen to fetch Salzman's chestnuts out of the fire, if she > deliberately provoked trouble in Denver. > > Sara's chief accomplice was a former New York City cop and jailer, Rich > Miller. > She emailed him frequent updates on the plan, with headings like: "T-minus > 13 days to Irving." The ex-cop would reply to her, "All is going well at > my > end." > To journalist Dani Newsum, left, who had written a particularly nasty OpEd > piece in the Denver Post headed "NAZI SWILL, COMING SOON," Sara also fed > this information: > We've got a minimum of ninety people who will be demonstrating in front of > the (as-yet-undisclosed) location. If anyone has any media contacts, > especially with the local TV stations or Fox, please let me know. I will > be > working this week on contacting various media folks. I'd especially like > to > reach Peter Boyles at KHOW and Enid Goldstein at KNRC (radio), and anyone > at > the TV stations." > As the organised efforts to undermine Mr Irving's lecture tour -- on the > comparisons between World War II and the war in Iraq -- began to bite, > from > Las Vegas onwards, Salzman gloated: > Good news from the front lines: Irving was supposed to speak in Seattle on > Monday night. He announced the location, the Pyramid Brewery, and one of > the > members of Holocaust Project wrote a letter to the location. > Showing where she expected most of her support to come from, Salzman left > stacks of pamphlets at Denver's Jewish gift shops. > On December 15, with five days to go, her leaky laptop received this > message > from her ex-cop friend, announcing that he and his squad would be ready > for > action on Saturday. They were evidently expecting violence: > Things are warm and heating up quickly. We are prepared and ready for the > event on Saturday. Our group of four will be equipped with cameras, signs, > FirstAid supplies, water, and snacks. > > WORRIED about what she called "a mole in her ranks," that day the > Holocaust-obsessed Sara had another mole -- "Michael Wilde" -- send this > message to Mr Irving: > I saw the article in Westword magazine and I'm real interested in hearing > your talk. We read about the Holocaust in school, but I can't believe all > the stuff we were told. Will you be saying anything about it? > Wilde's application failed to make the genuine guest list for Denver, > because it failed certain criteria. Sara's keyboard handiwork confirmed > this > decision. > ("In cases like these," Mr Irving proposed to the Denver organizer, "we > find > the address of a gay bar and send the suspects to wait there all > evening.") > Mr Irving sent "Wilde" a standard reply, but added that he was not talking > about the Holocaust, and had never written about it. > No matter. Irving had to be silenced. Sara hammered out this message on > her > keyboard to her conspirators: "We're in the loop." (She added a surly > comment: "Interesting that Mr. Irving can afford a tollfree cell phone > number in US.") > Meanwhile she sent a wad of leaflets to the Denver TV and radio stations, > her fingers busily typing out more lying smears on her porous keyboard: > David Irving, an anti-American [sic], anti-Semitic, Holocaust denier, will > be speaking here, and there will be a group protesting his visit. > Information about this protest has been reported in Dani Newsum's Blog > 'Nazi > Swill is coming to town'. > Unfortunately, Mr. Irving (to reduce the possibility of press coverage > [sic]) will not announce the location of his talk until a day or two > before. > Risking a final libellous smear, Salzman added: > David Irving's followers are the same kinds of people as those who killed > Alan Berg. It's vital that we let him know he is not welcome in Denver. > Sara > Salzman 303-617-9412. > Meanwhile she had learned from "Michael Wilde" that he had asked Mr Irving > by email: "Do you have a place yet for your talk?" To their delight, the > author had answered ("currently on the road in Wyoming") -- less than > frankly, as it would turn out -- "Yes, north Denver, and you will be > informed later today." > That confirmed what they already "knew," because he had a inserted a fake > line to that effect at the end of the Moscow Daily News report posted on > his > website, namely that he would be speaking somewhere near the new Denver > International Airport. > > IT WAS now D-Day minus 1 -- Friday, December 19, 2003. Sara Salzman typed > this report at 11:16 a.m.: > Irving has posted an article on his web site. . . The last sentence says: > 'Irving speaks at a hotel near Denver airport on Saturday.' > If anyone wants to start calling hotels near the airport and ask if > someone > with the initials "A.H." has booked a conference room for a meal and > lecture, please feel free! Sara." > She received confirmation from a fellow plotter that the most recent > update > was "somewhere near the airport." > She congratulated him: "We're getting closer. My husband is going to call > Irving's cell phone after 3:00 p.m. today." > Mr Irving's phone registered an incoming "no caller ID" call at 3:10 > p.m. -- > but the call did not reach him in Wyoming. She and her plotters had to > rely > on their wits, and on her leaky laptop. > Late on that Friday evening, Mr Irving sealed the Denver plotters' fate > with > this message to their mole "Michael Wilde": > Here is tomorrow Saturday's location by email: please keep it under your > hat. Tell no-one. We have booked a room at the Denver International > Airport > Marriott (the actual address, if you're coming by taxi, is 16455 East 40th > Circle). > The Marriott Corp have never let us down yet (as you know we have just > held > our fourth international Real History weekend at their Cincinnati airport > location) so they don't bow to pressure. > We have asked the hotel to deny any afternoon function taking place. The > booking is under a less than obvious name, as you will see when you > arrive. > I suggest you come between twelve and one, when I shall arrive; we'll have > a > meal and then I will talk. Looking forward to seeing y'all there. > > At 1:35 a.m. Sara sat at her lap-top and hammered out a new message to her > gang. She quoted Irving's message to "Wilde," then finalized their plans: > So here's what I suggest: We all meet in the parking lot of the Marriott. > Since Irving isn't going to be there until one, we don't want to clue him > in > too early. So let's meet around 11:15-11:30. > Our person taking pictures will have to be in the lobby of the hotel, > since > lots of other people will be coming and going. One of us will go in and > scope it out, figure out which "room" Irving has rented (my guess is under > a > name with the initials A.H.), and then our photographer can stake out a > place to take pictures that isn't too obvious . . . otherwise the hotel > will > toss us. > Referring to the ex-cop Rich Miller, she suggested: "Rich, I'm sure, can > fill us in on what's 'legal' to do. . . . Let's get the British bastard!! > Sara." > She then switched off her laptop, and turned in for the night, while > dreams > of sweet violence danced in her head. > At ten on Saturday morning, the big day, she issued final "legal advice" > to > her gang, provided by "our legal advisor at the Holocaust Project," on > what > to do if they fell foul of the law and whether to comply with the > Marriott's > order that they leave: > My own answer to a security guard is 'Call the police and have them tell > me > that' and answer that you are 'Exercising your constitutional rights.' > This puts on record what happened and what is involved. > Second, it puts it in an area where the wimps at the Anti-Defamation > League > and the nutballs at the American Civil Liberties Union can, if either > decides to get off their fat asses, intervene in a meaningful way. > The next day, she and her ("big") husband got "off their asses." When they > downloaded her emails on Saturday morning, ex-cop Rich Miller had already > sent in his own take on the forthcoming confrontation: > Let us give this racist, Nazi, Hitler lover, and Jew-hater a big Colorado > unwelcome. > The weather will be perfect, the location is ideal, and our cause is > moral. > See you all at The Marriott Hotel at approximately 11:30 AM today. The > Marriott Hotel is located off Interstate 70, Exit 285, Airport Blvd. > North. > If you need better directions, please call the Marriott at 303-371-4333. > Please do not mention David Irving. We do not want to give him a heads up > as > to what we have planned.-Rich. > She would make a great Kapo From snowonweb@hotmail.com Tue Nov 13 16:10:56 EST 2007 Article: 1225811 of alt.revisionism Xref: sn-us alt.revisionism:1225811 Path: sn-us!sn-feed-sjc-02!sn-xt-sjc-11!sn-xt-sjc-07!sn-xt-sjc-13!supernews.com!newshub.sdsu.edu!newscon04.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!newsdst01.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com.POSTED!584e53d9!not-for-mail From: "snow" Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: THE ROLE OF ZIONISM IN THE HOLOCAUST Lines: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00BC_01C825EE.FA418060" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1365 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1365 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 76.210.251.23 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com 1194974285 ST000 76.210.251.23 (Tue, 13 Nov 2007 12:18:05 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 12:18:05 EST Organization: AT&T http://yahoo.sbc.com X-UserInfo1: [[PAPDCA[S@GB^@[AZKLNFXBWR\HPCTL@XT^OBPLAH[\RWICYFWUQBKZQLYJX\_ITFD_KFVLUN[DOM_A_NSYNWPFWNS[XV\I]PZ@BQ[@CDQDPCL^FKCBIPC@KLGEZEFNMDYMKHRL_YYYGDSSODXYN@[\BK[LVTWI@AXGQCOA_SAH@TPD^\AL\RLGRFWEARBM Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 12:16:11 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00BC_01C825EE.FA418060 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/holocaust-zionism.htm "Spiritually and Physically Responsible "=20 Children of the Birkenau Death Camp >From its' inception, many rabbis warned of the potential dangers of = Zionism and openly declared that all Jews loyal to G-d should stay away = >from it like one would from fire. They made their opinions clear to = their congregants and to the general public. Their message was that = Zionism is a chauvinistic racist phenomenon which has absolutely naught = to do with Judaism. They publicly expressed that Zionism would = definitely be detrimental to the well being of Jews and Gentiles and = that its effects on the Jewish religion would be nothing other than = destructive. Further, it would taint the reputation of Jewry as a whole = and would cause utter confusion in the Jewish and non-Jewish = communities. Judaism is a religion. Judaism is not a race or a = nationality. That was and still remains the consensus amongst the = rabbis.=20 We were given the Holy Land by G-d in order to be able to study and = practice the Torah without disturbance and to attain levels of holiness = difficult to attain outside of the Holy Land. We abused the privilege = and we were expelled. That is exactly what all Jews say in their prayers = on every Jewish festival, "Umipnay chatoenu golinu mayartsaynu" - = "Because of our sins we were expelled from our land".=20 We have been forsworn by G-d "not to enter the Holy Land as a body = before the predestined time", "not to rebel against the nations", to be = loyal citizens, not to do anything against the will of any nation or its = honour, not to seek vengeance, discord, restitution or compensation; = "not to leave exile ahead of time." On the contrary; we have to be = humble and accept the yoke of exile. To violate the oaths would result = in "your flesh will be made prey as the deer and the antelope in the = forest," and the redemption will be delayed.=20 (Talmud Tractate Ksubos p. 111a).=20 To violate the oaths is not only a sin, it is a heresy because it is = against the fundamentals of our Belief. Only through complete repentance = will the Almighty alone, without any human effort or intervention, = redeem us from exile. This will be after G-d will send the prophet = Elijah and Moshiach who will induce all Jews to complete repentance. At = that time there will be universal peace.=20 All of the leading Jewish religious authorities of that era predicted = great hardship to befall humanity generally and the Jewish People = particularly, as a result of Zionism. To be a Jew means that either one = is born to a Jewish mother or converts to the religion with the = condition that he or she make no reservations with regard to Jewish Law. = Unfortunately there are many Jews who have no inkling whatsoever as to = the duties of a Jew. Many of them are not to blame, for in many cases = they lacked a Jewish education and upbringing. But there are those who = deliberately distort the teachings of our tradition to suit their = personal needs.=20 It is self understood that not just anyone has the right or the ability = to make a decision regarding the philosophy or law of a religion. = Especially matters in which that person has no qualification. It follows = then that those individuals who "decided" that Judaism is a nationality = are to be ignored and even criticized. It is no secret that the founders = of Zionism had never studied Jewish Law nor did they express interest in = our holy tradition. They openly defied Rabbinical authority and = self-appointed themselves as leaders of the Jewish "nation". In Jewish = history, actions like those have always spelled disaster. To be a Jew = and show open defiance of authority or to introduce "amendment" or = "innovation" without first consulting with those officially appointed as = Jewish spiritual leaders is the ideal equation to equal catastrophe. One = can not just decide to "modernize" ancient traditions or regulations. = The spiritual leaders of contemporary Judaism better known as Orthodox = rabbis have received ordination to judge and interpret matters = pertaining to the Jewish faith. These rabbis have received their rights = and responsibilities and form a link in the unbroken chain of the Jewish = tradition dating all the way back to Moses who received the Torah from = Almighty G-d Himself. It was these very rabbis who, at the time of the = formation of the Zionist movement, foresaw the pernicious outcome that = was without a doubt lined up.=20 Grand Rebbe Teitelbaum, zt'l It was a man possessing outstanding Judaic genius, and a level of = uncontested holiness who enunciated the Jewish stance regarding Zionism. = This charismatic individual, the Rebbe of Satmar, Grand Rabbi Joel = Teitelbaum, did not mince any words. Straight to the point he called = Zionism "the work of Satan", "a sacrilege" and "a blasphemy". He forbade = any participation with anything even remotely associated with Zionism = and said that Zionism was bound to call the wrath of G-d upon His = people. He maintained this stance with unwavering bravery from the onset = of Zionism whilst he was still in Hungary up until his death in New York = where he lead a congregation numbering in the hundreds of thousands. = Grand Rabbi Teitelbaum, scion to a legacy of holy mystics and Hassidic = Masters unfortunately had his prediction fulfilled. We lost more than = six million of our brothers, sisters, sons and daughters in a very = horrible manner. This, more than six million holy people had to = experience as punishment for the Zionist stupidity. The Holocaust, he = wept, was a direct result of Zionism, a punishment from G-d.=20 IT IS COMMON KNOWLEDGE THAT ALL THE SAGES AND SAINTS IN EUROPE AT THE = TIME OF HITLER'S RISE DECLARED THAT HE WAS A MESSENGER OF DIVINE WRATH, = SENT TO CHASTEN THE JEWS BECAUSE OF THE BITTER APOSTASY OF ZIONISM = AGAINST THE BELIEF IN THE EVENTUAL MESSIANIC REDEMPTION.=20 Auschwitz But it doesn't end there. It wasn't enough for the Zionist leaders to = have aroused the wrath of G-d. They made a point of displaying abysmal = contempt for their Jewish brothers and sisters by actively participating = in their extermination. Just the idea alone of Zionism, which the rabbis = had informed them would cause havoc, was not enough for them. They made = an effort to pour fuel on an already burning flame. They had to incite = the Angel of Death, Adolf Hitler. They took the liberty of telling the = world that they represented World Jewry. Who appointed these individuals = as leaders of the Jewish People?? It is no secret that these so-called = "leaders" were ignoramuses when it came to Judaism. Atheists and racists = too. These are the "statesmen" who organized the irresponsible boycott = against Germany in 1933. This boycott hurt Germany like a fly attacking = an elephant - but it brought calamity upon the Jews of Europe. At a time = when America and England were at peace with the mad-dog Hitler, the = Zionist "statesmen" forsook the only plausible method of political = amenability; and with their boycott incensed the leader of Germany to a = frenzy. Genocide began, but these people, if they can really be = classified as members of the human race, sat back.=20 "No Shame"=20 President Roosevelt convened the Evian conference July 6-15 1938, to = deal with the Jewish refugee problem. The Jewish Agency delegation = headed by Golda Meir (Meirson) ignored a German offer to allow Jews to = emigrate to other countries for $250 a head, and the Zionists made no = effort to influence the United States and the 32 other countries = attending the conference to allow immigration of German and Austrian = Jews.=20 [Source]=20 On Feb 1, 1940 Henry Montor executive vice-President of the United = Jewish Appeal refused to intervene for a shipload of Jewish refugees = stranded on the Danube river, stating that "Palestine cannot be flooded = with... old people or with undesirables."=20 [Source]=20 It is an historical fact that in 1941 and again in 1942, the German = Gestapo offered all European Jews transit to Spain, if they would = relinquish all their property in Germany and Occupied France; on = condition that:=20 a) none of the deportees travel from Spain to Palestine; and=20 b) all the deportees be transported from Spain to the USA or British = colonies, and there to remain; with entry visas to be arranged by the = Jews living there; and=20 c) $1000.00 ransom for each family to be furnished by the Agency, = payable upon the arrival of the family at the Spanish border at the rate = of 1000 families daily.=20 The Zionist leaders in Switzerland and Turkey received this offer with = the clear understanding that the exclusion of Palestine as a destination = for the deportees was based on an agreement between the Gestapo and the = Mufti.=20 The answer of the Zionist leaders was negative, with the following = comments:=20 a) ONLY Palestine would be considered as a destination for the = deportees.=20 b) The European Jews must accede to suffering and death greater in = measure than the other nations, in order that the victorious allies = agree to a "Jewish State" at the end of the war.=20 c) No ransom will be paid=20 This response to the Gestapo's offer was made with the full knowledge = that the alternative to this offer was the gas chamber.=20 These treacherous Zionist leaders betrayed their own flesh and blood. = Zionism was never an option for Jewish salvation. Quite the opposite, it = was a formula for human beings to be used as pawns for the power trip of = several desperadoes. A perfidy! A betrayal beyond description!=20 In 1944, at the time of the Hungarian deportations, a similar offer was = made, whereby all Hungarian Jewry could be saved. The same Zionist = hierarchy again refused this offer (after the gas chambers had already = taken a toll of millions).=20 The British government granted visas to 300 rabbis and their families to = the Colony of Mauritius, with passage for the evacuees through Turkey. = The "Jewish Agency" leaders sabotaged this plan with the observation = that the plan was disloyal to Palestine, and the 300 rabbis and their = families should be gassed.=20 On December 17, 1942 both houses of the British Parliament declared its = readiness to find temporary refuge for endagered persons. The British = Parliament proposed to evacuate 500,000 Jews from Europe, and resettle = them in British colonies, as a part of diplomatic negotiations with = Germany. This motion received within two weeks a total of 277 = Parliamentary signatures. On Jan. 27, when the next steps were being = pursued by over 100 M.P.'s and Lords, a spokesman for the Zionists = announced that the Jews would oppose the motion because Palestine was = ommitted.=20 [Source]=20 On Feb. 16, 1943 Roumania offered 70,000 Jewish refugees of the = Trans-Dniestria to leave at the cost of $50 each. This was publicized in = the New York papers.=20 Yitzhak Greenbaum, Chairman of the Rescue Committee of the Jewish = Agency, addressing the Zionist Executive Council in Tel Aviv Feb. 18 = 1943 said, "when they asked me, "couldn't you give money out of the = United Jewish Appeal funds for the rescue of Jews in Europe, I said NO! = and I say again, NO!...one should resist this wave which pushes the = Zionist activities to secondary importance."=20 On Feb. 24, 1943 Stephen Wise, President of the American Jewish Congress = and leader of the American Zionists issued a public refusal to this = offer and declared no collection of funds would seem justified.=20 In 1944, the Emergency Committee to Save the Jewish People called upon = the American government to establish a War Refugee Board. Stephen Wise = testifying before a special committeeof Congress objected to this = proposal.=20 [Source]=20 During the course of the negotiations mentioned above, Chaim Weizman, = the first "Jewish statesman" stated: "The most valuable part of the = Jewish nation is already in Palestine, and those Jews living outside = Palestine are not too important". Weizman's cohort, Greenbaum, amplified = this statement with the observation "One cow in Palestine is worth more = than all the Jews in Europe".=20 And then, after the bitterest episode in Jewish history, these Zionist = "statesmen" lured the broken refugees in the DP camps to remain in = hunger and deprivation, and to refuse relocation to any place but = Palestine; only for the purpose of building their State.=20 In 1947 Congressman William Stration sponsored a bill to immediately = grant entry to the United States of 400,000 displaced persons. The bill = was not passed after it was publicly denounced by the Zionist = leadership.=20 [Source]=20 These facts are read with consternation and unbearable shame. How can it = be explained that at a time during the last phase of the war, when the = Nazis were willing to barter Jews for money, partly because of their = desires to establish contact with the Western powers which, they = believed, were under Jewish influence, how was it possible one asks that = the self-proclaimed "Jewish leaders" did not move heaven and earth to = save the last remnant of their brothers?=20 On Feb. 23, 1956 the Hon. J. W. Pickersgill, Minister for Immigration = was asked in the Canadian House of Commons "would he open the doors of = Canada to Jewish refugees". He replied "the government has made no = progress in that direction because the government of Israel....does not = wish us to do so".=20 [Source]=20 In 1972, the Zionist leadership successfully opposed an effort in the = United States Congress to allow 20,000-30,000 Russian refugees to enter = the United States.=20 Jewish relief organizations, Joint and HIAS, were being pressured to = abandon these refugees in Vienna, Rome and other Europiean cities.=20 [Source]=20 The pattern is clear!!! Humanitarian rescue efforts are subverted to = narrow Zionist interests.=20 There were many more shocking crimes committed by these abject = degenerates known as "Jewish statesmen", we could list many more = example, but for the time being let anyone produce a valid excuse for = the above facts.=20 Zionist responsibility for the Holocaust is threefold.=20 1.. The Holocaust was a punishment for disrespecting The Three Oaths = (see Talmud, Tractate Kesubos p. 111a).=20 2.. Zionist leaders openly withheld support, both financially and = otherwise, to save their fellow brothers and sisters from a cruel death. = 3.. The leaders of the Zionist movement cooperated with Hitler and his = cohorts on many occasions and in many ways.=20 Zionists Offer a Military Alliance with Hitler=20 It would be wishful thinking if it could be stated that the leaders of = the Zionist movement sat back and ignored the plight of their dying = brothers and sisters. Not only did they publicly refuse to assist in = their rescue, but they actively participated with Hitler and the Nazi = regime.=20 Mass Grave at Auschwitz Early in 1935, a passenger ship bound for Haifa in Palestine left the = German port of Bremerhaven. Its stern bore the Hebrew letter for its = name, "Tel Aviv", while a swastika banner fluttered from the mast. And = although the ship was Zionist owned, its captain was a National = Socialist Party (Nazi) member. Many years later a traveler aboard the = ship recalled this symbolic combination as a "metaphysical absurdity". = Absurd or not, this is but one vignette from a little-known chapter of = history: The wide ranging collaboration between Zionism and Hitler's = Third Reich.=20 In early January 1941 a small but important Zionist organization = submitted a formal proposal to German diplomats in Beirut for a = military-political alliance with wartime Germany. The offer was made by = the radical underground "Fighters for the Freedom of Israel", better = known as the Lehi or Stern Gang. Its leader, Avraham Stern, had recently = broken with the radical nationalist "National Military Organization" = (Irgun Zvai Leumi - Etzel) over the group's attitude toward Britain, = which had effectively banned further Jewish settlement of Palestine. = Stern regarded Britain as the main enemy of Zionism.=20 This remarkable proposal "for the solution of the Jewish question in = Europe and the active participation on the NMO [Lehi] in the war on the = side of Germany" is worth quoting at some length:=20 "The NMO which is very familiar with the goodwill of the German Reich = government and its officials towards Zionist activities within Germany = and the Zionist emigration program takes the view that:=20 1.. Common interests can exist between a European New Order based on = the German concept and the true national aspirations of the Jewish = people as embodied by the NMO.=20 2.. Cooperation is possible between the New Germany and a renewed, = folkish-national Jewry.=20 3.. The establishment of the Jewish state on a national and = totalitarian basis, and bound by treaty, with the German Reich, would be = in the interest of maintaining and strengthening the future German = position of power in the Near East.=20 "On the basis of these considerations, and upon the condition that the = German Reich government recognize the national aspirations of the Israel = Freedom Movement mentioned above, the NMO in Palestine offers to = actively take part in the war on the side of Germany.=20 "This offer by the NMO could include military, political and = informational activity within Palestine and, after certain = organizational measures, outside as well. Along with this the "Jewish" = men of Europe would be militarily trained and organized in military = units under the leadership and command of the NMO. They would take part = in combat operations for the purpose of conquering Palestine, should = such a front be formed.=20 "The indirect participation of the Israel Freedom Movement in the New = Order of Europe, already in the preparatory stage, combined with a = positive-radical solution of the European-Jewish problem on the basis of = the national aspirations of the Jewish people mentioned above, would = greatly strengthen the moral foundation of the New Order in the eyes of = all humanity.=20 "The cooperation of the Israel Freedom Movement would also be consistent = with a recent speech by the German Reich Chancellor, in which Hitler = stressed that he would utilize any combination and coalition in order to = isolate and defeat England".=20 (Original document in German Auswertiges Amt Archiv, Bestand 47-59, = E224152 and E234155-58.=20 Complete original text published in: David Yisraeli, The Palestinian = Problem in German Politics 1889-1945 (Israel: 1947) pp. 315-317).=20 On the basis of their similar ideologies about ethnicity and nationhood, = National Socialists and Zionists worked together for what each group = believed was in its own national interests.=20 This is just one example of the Zionist movements' collaboration with = Hitler for the purpose of possibly receiving jurisdiction over a minute = piece of earth, Palestine.=20 And to top it all up, brainwashing!=20 How far this unbelievable Zionist conspiracy has captured the Jewish = masses, and how impossible it is for any different thought to penetrate = their minds, even to the point of mere evaluation, can be seen in the = vehemence of the reaction to any reproach. With blinded eyes and closed = ears, any voice raised in protest and accusation is immediately = suppressed and deafened by the thousandfold cry: "Traitor," "Enemy of = the Jewish People."=20 ------=_NextPart_000_00BC_01C825EE.FA418060 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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"Spiritually and Physically Responsible "


Children of the=20 Birkenau Death Camp

From its' inception, many rabbis warned of the potential dangers of = Zionism=20 and openly declared that all Jews loyal to G-d should stay away from it = like one=20 would from fire. They made their opinions clear to their congregants and = to the=20 general public. Their message was that Zionism is a chauvinistic racist=20 phenomenon which has absolutely naught to do with Judaism. They publicly = expressed that Zionism would definitely be detrimental to the well being = of Jews=20 and Gentiles and that its effects on the Jewish religion would be = nothing other=20 than destructive. Further, it would taint the reputation of Jewry as a = whole and=20 would cause utter confusion in the Jewish and non-Jewish communities. = Judaism is=20 a religion. Judaism is not a race or a nationality. That was and still = remains=20 the consensus amongst the rabbis.

We were given the Holy Land by G-d in order to be able to study and = practice=20 the Torah without disturbance and to attain levels of holiness difficult = to=20 attain outside of the Holy Land. We abused the privilege and we were = expelled.=20 That is exactly what all Jews say in their prayers on every Jewish = festival,=20 "Umipnay chatoenu golinu mayartsaynu" - "Because of our sins we were = expelled=20 >from our land".

We have been forsworn by G-d "not to enter the Holy Land as a body = before the=20 predestined time", "not to rebel against the nations", to be loyal = citizens, not=20 to do anything against the will of any nation or its honour, not to seek = vengeance, discord, restitution or compensation; "not to leave exile = ahead of=20 time." On the contrary; we have to be humble and accept the yoke of = exile. To=20 violate the oaths would result in "your flesh will be made prey as the = deer and=20 the antelope in the forest," and the redemption will be delayed.

(Talmud Tractate Ksubos p. 111a).

To violate the oaths is not only a sin, it is a heresy because it is = against=20 the fundamentals of our Belief. Only through complete repentance will = the=20 Almighty alone, without any human effort or intervention, redeem us from = exile.=20 This will be after G-d will send the prophet Elijah and Moshiach who = will induce=20 all Jews to complete repentance. At that time there will be universal = peace.=20

All of the leading Jewish religious authorities of that era predicted = great=20 hardship to befall humanity generally and the Jewish People = particularly, as a=20 result of Zionism. To be a Jew means that either one is born to a Jewish = mother=20 or converts to the religion with the condition that he or she make no=20 reservations with regard to Jewish Law. Unfortunately there are many = Jews who=20 have no inkling whatsoever as to the duties of a Jew. Many of them are = not to=20 blame, for in many cases they lacked a Jewish education and upbringing. = But=20 there are those who deliberately distort the teachings of our tradition = to suit=20 their personal needs.

3D"Death

It is self understood that not just anyone has the right or the = ability to=20 make a decision regarding the philosophy or law of a religion. = Especially=20 matters in which that person has no qualification. It follows then that = those=20 individuals who "decided" that Judaism is a nationality are to be = ignored and=20 even criticized. It is no secret that the founders of Zionism had never = studied=20 Jewish Law nor did they express interest in our holy tradition. They = openly=20 defied Rabbinical authority and self-appointed themselves as leaders of = the=20 Jewish "nation". In Jewish history, actions like those have always = spelled=20 disaster. To be a Jew and show open defiance of authority or to = introduce=20 "amendment" or "innovation" without first consulting with those = officially=20 appointed as Jewish spiritual leaders is the ideal equation to equal=20 catastrophe. One can not just decide to "modernize" ancient traditions = or=20 regulations. The spiritual leaders of contemporary Judaism better known = as=20 Orthodox rabbis have received ordination to judge and interpret matters=20 pertaining to the Jewish faith. These rabbis have received their rights = and=20 responsibilities and form a link in the unbroken chain of the Jewish = tradition=20 dating all the way back to Moses who received the Torah from Almighty = G-d=20 Himself. It was these very rabbis who, at the time of the formation of = the=20 Zionist movement, foresaw the pernicious outcome that was without a = doubt lined=20 up.

3D"Satmar
Grand Rebbe Teitelbaum, zt'l

It was a man possessing outstanding Judaic genius, and a level of = uncontested=20 holiness who enunciated the Jewish stance regarding Zionism. This = charismatic=20 individual, the Rebbe of Satmar, Grand Rabbi Joel Teitelbaum, did not = mince any=20 words. Straight to the point he called Zionism "the work of Satan", "a=20 sacrilege" and "a blasphemy". He forbade any participation with anything = even=20 remotely associated with Zionism and said that Zionism was bound to call = the=20 wrath of G-d upon His people. He maintained this stance with unwavering = bravery=20 >from the onset of Zionism whilst he was still in Hungary up until his = death in=20 New York where he lead a congregation numbering in the hundreds of = thousands.=20 Grand Rabbi Teitelbaum, scion to a legacy of holy mystics and Hassidic = Masters=20 unfortunately had his prediction fulfilled. We lost more than six = million of our=20 brothers, sisters, sons and daughters in a very horrible manner. This, = more than=20 six million holy people had to experience as punishment for the Zionist=20 stupidity. The Holocaust, he wept, was a direct result of Zionism, a = punishment=20 >from G-d.

IT IS COMMON KNOWLEDGE THAT ALL THE SAGES AND SAINTS IN EUROPE AT THE = TIME OF=20 HITLER'S RISE DECLARED THAT HE WAS A MESSENGER OF DIVINE WRATH, SENT TO = CHASTEN=20 THE JEWS BECAUSE OF THE BITTER APOSTASY OF ZIONISM AGAINST THE BELIEF IN = THE=20 EVENTUAL MESSIANIC REDEMPTION.

3D"Auschwitz
Auschwitz

But it doesn't end there. It wasn't enough for the Zionist leaders to = have=20 aroused the wrath of G-d. They made a point of displaying abysmal = contempt for=20 their Jewish brothers and sisters by actively participating in their=20 extermination. Just the idea alone of Zionism, which the rabbis had = informed=20 them would cause havoc, was not enough for them. They made an effort to = pour=20 fuel on an already burning flame. They had to incite the Angel of Death, = Adolf=20 Hitler. They took the liberty of telling the world that they represented = World=20 Jewry. Who appointed these individuals as leaders of the Jewish People?? = It is=20 no secret that these so-called "leaders" were ignoramuses when it came = to=20 Judaism. Atheists and racists too. These are the "statesmen" who = organized the=20 irresponsible boycott against Germany in 1933. This boycott hurt Germany = like a=20 fly attacking an elephant - but it brought calamity upon the Jews of = Europe. At=20 a time when America and England were at peace with the mad-dog Hitler, = the=20 Zionist "statesmen" forsook the only plausible method of political = amenability;=20 and with their boycott incensed the leader of Germany to a frenzy. = Genocide=20 began, but these people, if they can really be classified as members of = the=20 human race, sat back.

"No Shame"

President Roosevelt convened the Evian conference July 6-15 1938, to = deal=20 with the Jewish refugee problem. The Jewish Agency delegation headed by = Golda=20 Meir (Meirson) ignored a German offer to allow Jews to emigrate to other = countries for $250 a head, and the Zionists made no effort to influence = the=20 United States and the 32 other countries attending the conference to = allow=20 immigration of German and Austrian Jews.
[Source]

On Feb 1, 1940 Henry Montor executive vice-President of the United = Jewish=20 Appeal refused to intervene for a shipload of Jewish refugees stranded = on the=20 Danube river, stating that "Palestine cannot be flooded with... old = people or=20 with undesirables."
[Source] =

It is an historical fact that in 1941 and again in 1942, the German = Gestapo=20 offered all European Jews transit to Spain, if they would relinquish all = their=20 property in Germany and Occupied France; on condition that:
a) = none=20 of the deportees travel from Spain to Palestine; and
b) all = the=20 deportees be transported from Spain to the USA or British colonies, and = there to=20 remain; with entry visas to be arranged by the Jews living there; and =
c)=20 $1000.00 ransom for each family to be furnished by the Agency, = payable upon=20 the arrival of the family at the Spanish border at the rate of 1000 = families=20 daily.

The Zionist leaders in Switzerland and Turkey received this offer = with the=20 clear understanding that the exclusion of Palestine as a destination for = the=20 deportees was based on an agreement between the Gestapo and the Mufti. =

The answer of the Zionist leaders was negative, with the following = comments:=20
a) ONLY Palestine would be considered as a destination for = the=20 deportees.
b) The European Jews must accede to suffering and = death=20 greater in measure than the other nations, in order that the victorious = allies=20 agree to a "Jewish State" at the end of the war.
c) No ransom = will be=20 paid
This response to the Gestapo's offer was made with the full = knowledge=20 that the alternative to this offer was the gas chamber.

These treacherous Zionist leaders betrayed their own flesh and blood. = Zionism=20 was never an option for Jewish salvation. Quite the opposite, it was a = formula=20 for human beings to be used as pawns for the power trip of several = desperadoes.=20 A perfidy! A betrayal beyond description!

In 1944, at the time of the Hungarian deportations, a similar offer = was made,=20 whereby all Hungarian Jewry could be saved. The same Zionist hierarchy = again=20 refused this offer (after the gas chambers had already taken a toll of=20 millions).

The British government granted visas to 300 rabbis and their families = to the=20 Colony of Mauritius, with passage for the evacuees through Turkey. The = "Jewish=20 Agency" leaders sabotaged this plan with the observation that the plan = was=20 disloyal to Palestine, and the 300 rabbis and their families should be = gassed.=20

On December 17, 1942 both houses of the British Parliament declared = its=20 readiness to find temporary refuge for endagered persons. The British = Parliament=20 proposed to evacuate 500,000 Jews from Europe, and resettle them in = British=20 colonies, as a part of diplomatic negotiations with Germany. This motion = received within two weeks a total of 277 Parliamentary signatures. On = Jan. 27,=20 when the next steps were being pursued by over 100 M.P.'s and Lords, a = spokesman=20 for the Zionists announced that the Jews would oppose the motion because = Palestine was ommitted.
[Source] =

On Feb. 16, 1943 Roumania offered 70,000 Jewish refugees of the=20 Trans-Dniestria to leave at the cost of $50 each. This was publicized in = the New=20 York papers.
Yitzhak Greenbaum, Chairman of the Rescue Committee of = the=20 Jewish Agency, addressing the Zionist Executive Council in Tel Aviv Feb. = 18 1943=20 said, "when they asked me, "couldn't you give money out of the United = Jewish=20 Appeal funds for the rescue of Jews in Europe, I said NO! and I say = again,=20 NO!...one should resist this wave which pushes the Zionist activities to = secondary importance."
On Feb. 24, 1943 Stephen Wise, President of = the=20 American Jewish Congress and leader of the American Zionists issued a = public=20 refusal to this offer and declared no collection of funds would seem = justified.=20
In 1944, the Emergency Committee to Save the Jewish People called = upon the=20 American government to establish a War Refugee Board. Stephen Wise = testifying=20 before a special committeeof Congress objected to this proposal.
[Source]

During the course of the negotiations mentioned above, Chaim Weizman, = the=20 first "Jewish statesman" stated: "The most valuable part of the Jewish = nation is=20 already in Palestine, and those Jews living outside Palestine are not = too=20 important". Weizman's cohort, Greenbaum, amplified this statement with = the=20 observation "One cow in Palestine is worth more than all the Jews in = Europe".=20

And then, after the bitterest episode in Jewish history, these = Zionist=20 "statesmen" lured the broken refugees in the DP camps to remain in = hunger and=20 deprivation, and to refuse relocation to any place but Palestine; only = for the=20 purpose of building their State.

In 1947 Congressman William Stration sponsored a bill to immediately = grant=20 entry to the United States of 400,000 displaced persons. The bill was = not passed=20 after it was publicly denounced by the Zionist leadership.
[Source]

These facts are read with consternation and unbearable shame. How can = it be=20 explained that at a time during the last phase of the war, when the = Nazis were=20 willing to barter Jews for money, partly because of their desires to = establish=20 contact with the Western powers which, they believed, were under Jewish=20 influence, how was it possible one asks that the self-proclaimed "Jewish = leaders" did not move heaven and earth to save the last remnant of their = brothers?

On Feb. 23, 1956 the Hon. J. W. Pickersgill, Minister for Immigration = was=20 asked in the Canadian House of Commons "would he open the doors of = Canada to=20 Jewish refugees". He replied "the government has made no progress in = that=20 direction because the government of Israel....does not wish us to do = so".
[Source]

In 1972, the Zionist leadership successfully opposed an effort in the = United=20 States Congress to allow 20,000-30,000 Russian refugees to enter the = United=20 States.
Jewish relief organizations, Joint and HIAS, were being = pressured to=20 abandon these refugees in Vienna, Rome and other Europiean cities. =
[Source]

The pattern is clear!!! Humanitarian rescue efforts are subverted = to=20 narrow Zionist interests.

There were many more shocking crimes committed by these abject = degenerates=20 known as "Jewish statesmen", we could list many more example, but for = the time=20 being let anyone produce a valid excuse for the above facts.

Zionist responsibility for the Holocaust is threefold.

  1. The Holocaust was a punishment for disrespecting The Three Oaths = (see=20 Talmud, Tractate Kesubos p. 111a).=20
  2. Zionist leaders openly withheld support, both financially and = otherwise,=20 to save their fellow brothers and sisters from a cruel death.=20
  3. The leaders of the Zionist movement cooperated with Hitler and his = cohorts=20 on many occasions and in many ways.

Zionists Offer a Military Alliance with Hitler

It would be wishful thinking if it could be stated that the leaders = of the=20 Zionist movement sat back and ignored the plight of their dying brothers = and=20 sisters. Not only did they publicly refuse to assist in their rescue, = but they=20 actively participated with Hitler and the Nazi regime.

3D"Dead
Mass Grave=20 at Auschwitz

Early in 1935, a passenger ship bound for Haifa in Palestine left the = German=20 port of Bremerhaven. Its stern bore the Hebrew letter for its name, "Tel = Aviv",=20 while a swastika banner fluttered from the mast. And although the ship = was=20 Zionist owned, its captain was a National Socialist Party (Nazi) member. = Many=20 years later a traveler aboard the ship recalled this symbolic = combination as a=20 "metaphysical absurdity". Absurd or not, this is but one vignette from a = little-known chapter of history: The wide ranging collaboration between = Zionism=20 and Hitler's Third Reich.

In early January 1941 a = small but=20 important Zionist organization submitted a formal proposal to German = diplomats=20 in Beirut for a military-political alliance with wartime Germany. The = offer was=20 made by the radical underground "Fighters for the Freedom of Israel", = better=20 known as the Lehi or Stern Gang. Its leader, Avraham Stern, had recently = broken=20 with the radical nationalist "National Military Organization" (Irgun = Zvai Leumi=20 - Etzel) over the group's attitude toward Britain, which had effectively = banned=20 further Jewish settlement of Palestine. Stern regarded Britain as the = main enemy=20 of Zionism.

This remarkable proposal "for the solution of the Jewish question in = Europe=20 and the active participation on the NMO [Lehi] in the war on the side of = Germany" is worth quoting at some length:

"The NMO which is very familiar with the goodwill of the German Reich = government and its officials towards Zionist activities within Germany = and the=20 Zionist emigration program takes the view that:

  1. Common interests can exist between a European New Order = based on=20 the German concept and the true national aspirations of the Jewish = people as=20 embodied by the NMO.
  2. Cooperation is possible between the New Germany and a = renewed,=20 folkish-national Jewry.
  3. The establishment of the Jewish state on a national and = totalitarian basis, and bound by treaty, with the German Reich, would = be in=20 the interest of maintaining and strengthening the future German = position of=20 power in the Near East.

"On the basis of these considerations, and upon the condition that = the=20 German Reich government recognize the national aspirations of the Israel = Freedom=20 Movement mentioned above, the NMO in Palestine offers to actively take = part in=20 the war on the side of Germany.

"This offer by the NMO could include military, political and = informational=20 activity within Palestine and, after certain organizational measures, = outside as=20 well. Along with this the "Jewish" men of Europe would be militarily = trained and=20 organized in military units under the leadership and command of the NMO. = They=20 would take part in combat operations for the purpose of conquering = Palestine,=20 should such a front be formed.

"The indirect participation of the Israel Freedom Movement in the = New=20 Order of Europe, already in the preparatory stage, combined with a=20 positive-radical solution of the European-Jewish problem on the basis of = the=20 national aspirations of the Jewish people mentioned above, would greatly = strengthen the moral foundation of the New Order in the eyes of all = humanity.=20

"The cooperation of the Israel Freedom Movement would also be = consistent=20 with a recent speech by the German Reich Chancellor, in which Hitler = stressed=20 that he would utilize any combination and coalition in order to isolate = and=20 defeat England".

(Original document in German Auswertiges Amt Archiv, Bestand = 47-59,=20 E224152 and E234155-58.

Complete original text published in: = David=20 Yisraeli, The Palestinian Problem in German Politics 1889-1945 (Israel: = 1947)=20 pp. 315-317).

On the basis of their similar ideologies about ethnicity and = nationhood,=20 National Socialists and Zionists worked together for what each group = believed=20 was in its own national interests.

This is just one example of the Zionist movements' = collaboration=20 with Hitler for the purpose of possibly receiving jurisdiction over a = minute=20 piece of earth, Palestine.

And to top it all up, brainwashing!

How far this unbelievable Zionist conspiracy has captured the = Jewish=20 masses, and how impossible it is for any different thought to penetrate = their=20 minds, even to the point of mere evaluation, can be seen in the = vehemence of the=20 reaction to any reproach. With blinded eyes and closed ears, any voice = raised in=20 protest and accusation is immediately suppressed and deafened by the=20 thousandfold cry: "Traitor," "Enemy of the Jewish People."=20

------=_NextPart_000_00BC_01C825EE.FA418060-- From snowonweb@hotmail.com Tue Nov 13 16:10:59 EST 2007 Article: 1225843 of alt.revisionism Xref: sn-us alt.revisionism:1225843 Path: sn-us!sn-feed-sjc-01!sn-xt-sjc-10!sn-xt-sjc-01!sn-xt-sjc-13!supernews.com!newshub.sdsu.edu!newscon04.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!newsdst01.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr22.news.prodigy.net.POSTED!584e53d9!not-for-mail From: "snow" Newsgroups: alt.revisionism References: Subject: Re: Pleas to rescue Jews in the Holocaust ignored by Zionist leaders (Rich Jews refuse to help their brothers and sisters, the poor Jews) Lines: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1365 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1365 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 76.210.251.23 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr22.news.prodigy.net 1194987889 ST000 76.210.251.23 (Tue, 13 Nov 2007 16:04:49 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 16:04:49 EST Organization: AT&T http://yahoo.sbc.com X-UserInfo1: [[PA@SNDERRMRWX[N[O@_WH@YR_B@EXLLBWLOOAFWIWTEPIB_NVUAH_[BL[\IRKIANGGJBFNJF_DOLSCENSY^U@FRFUEXR@KFXYDBPWBCDQJA@X_DCBHXR[C@\EOKCJLED_SZ@RMWYXYWE_P@\\GOIW^@SYFFSWHFIXMADO@^[ADPRPETLBJ]RDGENSKQQZN Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 16:02:53 -0500 "It's all a bit strange" wrote in message news:Xns99E76A999B955TBAnoonecarescom@85.214.90.228... > "snow" wrote in > news:E4l_i.2927$sm1.643@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com: > >> http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/pleasignored.html >> Pleas to rescue Jews in the Holocaust >> ignored by Zionist leaders >> The following message about bombing concentration camps and railways, >> was an exhibit in the Kasztner libel case in Israel during the 1950's. >> It was sent by Rabbi Michael B. Weissmandel, an organizer for rescue >> activities operating in the quisling Nazi state of Slovakia. It >> provides shocking and disturbing evidence of how the Zionist >> leadership ignored the growing evidence of mass murder and crimes >> against humanity being perpetrated against Europe's Jews >> >> >> Here is the orginal letter from Rabbi Weissmandl: >> >> >> May 15th, 1944 - In a cave near Lublin, Poland. >> >> "Peace and Greetings. >> >> "We send you this special message to inform you that yesterday the >> Germans began the deportation of Jews from Hungary. It is the >> beginning of deportation of all the Hungarian Jews. >> >> "Every day, twelve thousand souls are being taken off. Four >> deportations of forty-five such train-loads move daily out of >> Hungary. Within twenty six days all that area will have been >> deported. >> >> "The deported ones go to Auschwitz to be put to death by cyanide >> gas. A great number are dead on arrival. The Germans allow a few of >> the strongest to stay alive. Those who are allowed to live are >> branded with a number burned into their arm and the Star of David >> burned into their chest. >> >> "Most of these privileged ones die within a month. Others take their >> place. >> >> "Those who go directly from the train to the gas chambers to be >> suffocated are not branded. They are completely consumed in the >> ovens and leave no evidence behind. These are 95% of each transport. >> >> "The dead bodies are burned in specially made ovens. Each oven burns >> 12 bodies an hour. In February there were 36 ovens burning. We have >> learned that more have been built. >> >> "Information supplied us by a few eyewitnesses reveals that in >> February there were four disposal buildings. We have learned that >> more have been built since then. >> >> "Formerly, the Germans killed and burned the Jews in the Forest of >> Birkenwald, near Auschwitz. Now the killing and burning take place >> in the buildings shown on the enclosed map. >> >> "In December, the Germans built special trains to transport the Jews >> of Hungary to their extermination. This is the schedule of >> Auschwitz, from yesterday to the end; twelve thousand Jews - men, >> women and children, old men, infants, healthy and sick ones - are to >> be suffocated daily and their bones and ashes are to be used to >> fertilize the German fields. >> >> "And you - our brothers in Palestine, in all the countries of >> freedom, and you, ministers of all the kingdom - how do you keep >> silent in the face of this great murder ? Silent while thousand on >> thousands, reaching now to six million Jews, were murdered. And >> silent now while tens of thousands are still being murdered and >> waiting to be murdered? Their destroyed hearts cry to you for help >> as they bewail your cruelty. Brutal you are and murderers too you >> are, because of the cold-bloodedness of the silence in which you >> watch. >> >> "Because you sit with folded arms and you do nothing, though you >> could stop or delay the murder of Jews at this very hour. >> >> "In the name of the blood of the thousands on thousands who have >> been murdered we beg, we plead, we cry out and demand that you take >> action, that you do deeds now - at once! >> >> "That the Ministers of Kingdoms and all the Lands raise a loud and >> piercing outcry that must enter the ears of the world, the ears of >> the German people, the ears of the Hungarian people. Let them cry >> out a warning to the German murderers. Let them proclaim that they >> know all that has been done in the past, and that which is still >> being done. And the Pope, himself, should join in this cry of >> outrage against the German murderers. >> >> "Let this outcry be heard over all the radios and read in all the >> newspapers of the world, that unless they stop at once the >> deportations of Hungary's Jews - then will Germany be forever exiled >> from civilization. >> >> "We ask that the crematoria in Auschwitz be bombed from the air. >> They are sharply visible, as shown on the enclosed map. >> >> "Such bombing will delay the work of the German murderers. >> >> "What is more important - to bomb persistently all the roads leading >> from Eastern Hungary to Poland and to bomb persistently the bridges >> in the neighborhood of Karpatarus. Drop all other business to get >> this done. Remember that one day of your idleness kills twelve >> thousand souls. >> >> "You, our brothers, sons of Israel, are you insane? Don't you know >> the Hell around us? For whom are you saving your money? >> >> "How is it that all our pleadings affect you less than the >> whimpering of a beggar standing in your doorway? Murderers! Madmen! >> Who is it that gives charity? You who toss a few pennies from your >> safe homes? Or we who give our blood in the depths of Hell? >> >> "There is only one thing that may be said in your exoneration - that >> you do not know the truth. This is possible. The villain does his >> job so shrewdly that only a few guess the truth. We have told you >> the truth several times. Is it possible that you believe our >> murderers more than you believe us? May God open your eyes and give >> you heart to rescue in these last hours the remainder. >> >> "Most important is that which I write about the bombing of the >> Auschwitz Crematoria and the bridges leading to them. >> >> "Such bombing can vitally delay the evil work of our slaughterers. >> And G-d who keeps alive the last remnant of Israel will show His >> mercy for which I pray. I pray as I write out of the sea of tears of >> the people of Israel. We await G-d's help. >> >> "One from the Market who witnesses the woes of his people" > > > > So now szaki admits that there was a holocaust. Holocaust was originally used in English for a "burnt offering," a "sacrifice completely consumed by fire" (Mark 12:33, "more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices" in the King James Version of the Bible, was translated by William Tyndale in 1526 as "a greater thing than all holocausts and sacrifices"). John Milton is the first English writer recorded as using it in the wider sense "complete destruction by fire," in the late 17th century, and succeeding centuries its modern application to "nuclear destruction" and "mass murder" - Bishop Ken, for instance, wrote in 1711 "Should general Flame this World consume ... An Holocaust for Fontal Sin," and Leitch Ritchie in 1833 refers to Louis VII making "a holocaust of thirteen hundred persons in a church." The specific application to the mass murder of the Jews by the Nazis during World War II was introduced by historians during the 1950s, probably as an equivalent to Hebrew ḥurban and shoah "catastrophe" (used in the same sense). hol·o·caust (plural hol·o·causts) noun Definition: 1. destruction of human life: wholesale or mass destruction, especially of human life a nuclear holocaust 2. complete destruction by fire: complete consumption by fire, especially of a large number of human beings or animals 3. burnt offering: a religious sacrifice that is totally consumed by fire [13th century. < Old French holocauste< Greek holokaustos "burned whole" < kaiein "burn"] From snowonweb@hotmail.com Tue Nov 13 16:11:00 EST 2007 Article: 1225844 of alt.revisionism Xref: sn-us alt.revisionism:1225844 Path: sn-us!sn-feed-sjc-03!sn-xt-sjc-11!sn-xt-sjc-09!sn-xt-sjc-13!supernews.com!news.glorb.com!newscon02.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!newsdst01.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr22.news.prodigy.net.POSTED!584e53d9!not-for-mail From: "snow" Newsgroups: alt.revisionism References: <4oWdnVzNRMhUP6TanZ2dnUVZ_u6rnZ2d@giganews.com> Subject: Re: Salzman and her gang of thieves and professional liars Lines: 2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="windows-1250"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1365 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1365 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 76.210.251.23 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr22.news.prodigy.net 1194987986 ST000 76.210.251.23 (Tue, 13 Nov 2007 16:06:26 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 16:06:26 EST Organization: AT&T http://yahoo.sbc.com X-UserInfo1: [[PA@SNDERRMRWX[N[O@_WH@YR_B@EXLLBWLOOAFWIWTEPIB_NVUAH_[BL[\IRKIANGGJBFNJF_DOLSCENSY^U@FRFUEXR@KFXYDBPWBCDQJA@X_DCBHXR[C@\EOKCJLED_SZ@RMWYXYWE_P@\\GOIW^@SYFFSWHFIXMADO@^[ADPRPETLBJ]RDGENSKQQZN Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 16:04:32 -0500 "It's all a bit strange" wrote in message news:Xns99E76B37F571FTBAnoonecarescom@85.214.90.228... > "snow" wrote in news:F7l_i.2929$sm1.2706 > @nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com: > >> Did the all fisted her at the same time or individually? > > Watch out the Shmeggegie is going to rip you a new one for your idiotic > use > of language. > In article <3hg9a1$iel_at_newsbf02.news.aol.com>, xxxxxxxxx_at_aol.com (x > xxxxxxxx) wrote: >>Perhaps you should read the messages before responding. If you read >>all >>of mine, you will see that eventually I do suggest the "duck" >>position >>all fingers together. What I (and xxx) was responding to was >>the suggestion that one *begin* fisting in that position. Of course, >> >>you go on to say *exactly that*. > > In fact, xxxxx, I did NOT say you should begin in the "duck" position. > I just stated that it was the eventual position to achieve. > I'm sorry if I did not make that clear in my post. I *did* state that > fist fucking was not something I had done very often, and merely wanted > to impart my own (limited) experience. From: Sara "The Fist Salzman Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage Subject: Fist Fucking : By the way... Elbow Grease IS WATER SOLUABLE. Says so right on the label. We've found for MANY things, it is "wetter" and slicker than KY. Your mileage may, of course, vary. Perrrfect -- It never rains under my umbrella ~~End~~ From: Sara "The Fist" Salzman Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage Subject: Re: Fist fucking (1) In article <3hg9a1$...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, lanton...@aol.com (L Antoniou) wrote: > Perhaps you should read the messages before responding. If you read all > of mine, you will see that eventually I do suggest the "duck" position - > all fingers together. What I (and Elf) was responding to was the > suggestion that one *begin* fisting in that position. Of course, you go > on to say *exactly that*. In fact, Laura, I did NOT say you should begin in the "duck" position. I just stated that it was the eventual position to achieve. I'm sorry if I did not make that clear in my post. I *did* state that fist fucking was not something I had done very often, and merely wanted to impart my own (limited) experience. Imagine the person in these photos assuming the "duck" position and "fisting" herself! http://www.westword.com/issues/11209/2/image.gif http://www.westword.com/issues/11209/4/image.gif http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=s70dcvgs3eucqd31n81gqo5e21uj7... Subject: Sara "The Fist" Salzman - A Compilation of Her Better Known Literary Works and Opinions Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 13:35:49 -0500 Message-ID: http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=k13kevcj90g42mifth1ghve92udgg... Subject: Jews Spitting on Jesus During Aleinu (In Their Own Words Series) Message-ID: Date: 13 Jun 2003 17:34:27 GMT From snowonweb@hotmail.com Tue Nov 13 21:08:01 EST 2007 Article: 1225845 of alt.revisionism Xref: sn-us alt.revisionism:1225845 Path: sn-us!sn-feed-sjc-01!sn-xt-sjc-10!sn-xt-sjc-01!sn-xt-sjc-13!supernews.com!news.glorb.com!newscon02.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!newsdst01.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr22.news.prodigy.net.POSTED!584e53d9!not-for-mail From: "snow" Newsgroups: alt.revisionism References: Subject: Re: Salzman was still a fat slag in May 2006 Lines: 4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="windows-1250"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1365 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1365 Message-ID: <2po_i.9710$RR6.6940@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 76.210.251.23 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr22.news.prodigy.net 1194988222 ST000 76.210.251.23 (Tue, 13 Nov 2007 16:10:22 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 16:10:22 EST Organization: AT&T http://yahoo.sbc.com X-UserInfo1: [[OGBVOGZZV[CFD[LZKJOPHAWB\^PBQLGPQRZ\YIJYWZUYICD^RAQBKZQTZTX\_I[^G_KGFNON[ZOE_AZNVO^\XGGNTCIRPIJH[@RQKBXLRZ@CD^HKANYVW@RLGEZEJN@\_WZJBNZYYKVIOR]T]MNMG_Z[YVWSCH_Q[GPC_A@CARQVXDSDA^M]@DRVUM@RBM Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 16:08:27 -0500 "Kurt Knoll" wrote in message news:fKn_i.206950$th2.127507@pd7urf3no... > Are you sure Sara is a real person, If so tell us what kind of sex does > she belong to. hermaphrodite > > Kurt Knoll. > > "Eugene Holman" wrote in message > news:holman-54D98A.21441413112007@oravannahka.helsinki.fi... >> In article , >> "B'enjamin C'ramer" wrote: >> >>> http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee203/bencramer7/SaraSalzman.jpg >>> >>> Read about the fat slag here >>> >>> http://www.uchsc.edu/atp/files/Journeys%20Newsletters/Vol3.May2006.pdf >> >> As a gentleman I lodge a formal protest at the manner in which you treat >> Sara Salzman. Have you no sense of decency or decorum at all? Did I even >> need to ask that question? You are the kind of scum from which Australia >> Fair must advance, preferably double time. >> >> Worst, >> Eugene Holman > > From snowonweb@hotmail.com Tue Nov 13 21:08:01 EST 2007 Article: 1225846 of alt.revisionism Xref: sn-us alt.revisionism:1225846 Path: sn-us!sn-feed-sjc-01!sn-xt-sjc-10!sn-xt-sjc-01!sn-xt-sjc-13!supernews.com!newshub.sdsu.edu!newscon04.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!newsdst01.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr22.news.prodigy.net.POSTED!584e53d9!not-for-mail From: "snow" Newsgroups: alt.revisionism References: <13jjt4hl140h9ca@corp.supernews.com> Subject: Re: Salzman misuse of publicly funded law enforcement agents Lines: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="windows-1250"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1365 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1365 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 76.210.251.23 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr22.news.prodigy.net 1194988325 ST000 76.210.251.23 (Tue, 13 Nov 2007 16:12:05 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 16:12:05 EST Organization: AT&T http://yahoo.sbc.com X-UserInfo1: [[PAPDCA[S@GB^@[AZKLNFXBWR\HPCTL@XT^OBPLAH[\RZ]CDVW[AKK[J\]^HVKHG^EWZHBLO^[\NH_AZFWGN^\DHNVMX_DHHX[FSQKBOTS@@BP^]C@RHS_AGDDC[AJM_T[GZNRNZAY]GNCPBDYKOLK^_CZFWPGHZIXW@C[AFKBBQS@E@DAZ]VDFUNTQQ]FN Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 16:10:10 -0500 "Kenneth McVay OBC" wrote in message news:13jjt4hl140h9ca@corp.supernews.com... > In article , > snow wrote: > > [...] > >>She would make a great Kapo > > What do you feel qualifies a person as a "great Kapo," Leading Revisionist > Liar snow? You already proved you are a Kapo > > Leading Revisionist Scholar snow, it would be unfair, not to mention > inconsiderate, for anyone to label you as a liar without giving you > the opportunity to respond by supporting your specious assertions > with documentary evidence. > > Question 1: > > On July 25, 2007, you made two claims, to wit: > > 1. That no one was gassed at Auschwitz or Majdanek > 2. That the "gas chamber in aushwitz were build by russians after the > so called liberation." > > Please document your claims or retract them. > > Question 2: On July 26, 2007, you wrote: > > "I am still having a problem with the myth of gassing the jews." > > Please support your assertion with documentary evidence that homocidal > gassings are a "myth." > > Question 3: > > On July 26, 2007, you claimed that, "jews come out with awards so they > could award other jews and it is all based on how much you paid and to > whom and actually has very little to do with achievements." > > Please document these claims or retract them. > > Question 4: > > On July 29, 2007, you claimed, "...McVay in one of the threads stated > that 'if you question holocaust then you are automatically anti-Semite." > > Please provide an exact Google Groups link to any article in which > I made such a statement. > > Question 5: > > In article , > > you wrote: > > "In 1931 Stromberg v. California, the Jews defended Communists' free > speech > rights. Six decades later, in R. v. Keegstra, the Jews sued to prevent the > teaching of an alternative to the Exterminationist theory known as > "Revisionism" -- and won." > > Please provide documentary evidence that Mr. Keegstra was "sued by Jews" > as > you claim, and show how the Supreme Court of Canada lied when it said: > > Mr. James Keegstra was a high school teacher in Eckville, > Alberta, from the early 1970's until his dismissal in 1982. > In 1984, Mr. Keegstra was charged under s. 319(2) (then > 281.2(2)) of the Criminal Code with unlawfully promoting > hatred against an identifiable group by communicating > anti-Semitic statements to his students. He was convicted by > a jury in a trial before McKenzie J. of the Alberta Court of > Queen's Bench. > > Mr. Keegstra's teachings attributed various evil > qualities to Jews. He thus described Jews to his pupils as > ''treacherous'', ''subversive'', ''sadistic'', > ''money-loving'', ''power hungry'' and ''child killers''. He > taught his classes that Jewish people seek to destroy > Christianity and are responsible for depressions, anarchy, > chaos, wars and revolution. According to Mr. Keegstra, Jews > ''created the Holocaust to gain sympathy'' and, in contrast > to the open and honest Christians, were said to be > deceptive, secretive and inherently evil. Mr. Keegstra > expected his students to reproduce his teachings in class > and on exams. If they failed to do so, their marks suffered. > > Prior to his trial, Mr. Keegstra applied to the Court of > Queen's Bench in Alberta for an order quashing the charge on > a number of grounds, the primary one being that s. 319(2) of > the Criminal Code unjustifiably infringed his freedom of > expression as guaranteed by s. 2(b) of the Charter. Among > the other grounds of appeal was the allegation that the > defence of truth found in s. 319(3)(a) of the Code violates > the Charter's presumption of innocence. The application was > dismissed by Quigley J., and Mr. Keegstra was thereafter > tried and convicted. He then appealed his conviction to the > Alberta Court of Appeal, raising the same Charter issues. > The Court of Appeal unanimously accepted his argument, and > it is from this judgment that the Crown appeals. > > The Attorneys-General of Canada, Quebec, Ontario, > Manitoba and New Brunswick, the Canadian Jewish Congress, > Interamicus, the League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith, > Canada, and the Women's Legal Education and Action Fund > (L.E.A.F.) have intervened in this appeal in support of the > Crown. The Canadian Civil Liberties Association has > intervened in support of striking down the impugned > legislation. > > Question 6: > > In article , you wrote: > > "Why is it that most if not all Holocaust supporting articles are written > by > Jews or are sponsored by Jewish organization." > > Please prove your claim by providing data which supports it. List all > "Holocaust > supporting" articles and document the Jewish background of the authors. > > Question 7: > > On July 30, 2007, you wrote: > > "...it was actually American Jews that sold iron and oil to Nazi > Germany by using Sweden as a proxy since American jews couldn't > deal directly with Nazi Germany. > > "Sweden banks that financed it were run by Jews, as well as proxy > companies that were setup by jewish bank owners. Swedish people > didn't have a clue what was being done behind their backs." > > Please document these assertions, naming the "American Jews" > involved and the Swedish banks that were "setup by Jewish bank > owners." > > Question 8: > > On July 31, 2007, you asked, "Why is it that most if not all Holocaust > supporting > articles are written by Jews or are sponsored by Jewish organization." > > Please provide the data upon which you based these assertions. Include a > comprehensive list of "Holocaust supporting articles " and their > authors, > and show how each article is either written by a Jew or "sponsored by > Jewish organizations." > > Question 9: > > On August 1, 2007, you wrote, "[Wikipedia] is edited by members > who choose to exaggerate their own race or religion, and jews are > the forefront of such edits." > > Please document your claims - particularly the one about the Jews > being in the "forefront of such edits." > > Question 10: > > On August 5, 2007, you wrote: > >>Ken's website oMajdanek says 1.5 jews killed >>http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/camps/maidanek/ > > ...and... > >>KEN IS LYING!!! to put the holocaust in the best light so people would >>associate the word HOLOCAUST with the JEWS and WW2 so then JEWS could cash >>in on HOLOCAUST by producing books, interviews, movies (all are tools of >>propaganda) > > Let's visit http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/ and see what we > find, shall we? > > In http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/commission-07, we find the > Polish > Commission (notNizkor) saying, "The Polish-Soviet Extraordinary > Commission finds that during the four years the Majdanek Extermination > Camp was in existence the Hitlerite butchers, on thc direct orders of > their criminal government, exterminated by means of wholesalc shoincluding > Snyder, who > wrote, ""It is > estimated that 1.5 million inmates were gassed at Maidanek." > > (Snyder does NOT, the assertions of Leading Revisionist Scholar snow > notwithstanding, claim that all the victims were Jewish - that is, > he was lying - again.) > > The same article quotes Davidowitz (1,380,000 dead) and Sachar (500,000 > dead), while the > IFZ is quoted as saying that 50,000 *Jews* were murdered there. > > The Encyclopedia of the Holocaust is then cited, in a piece on Majdanek > written by > Lublin University's Zygmunt Mankowski, who wrote "close to 500,000 passed > through. Of those, according to current (1990) estimates, 360,000 died, > sixty percent from camp conditions, and forty percent from gassing, > hanging, > or being shot." > > Mankowski does not, contrary to your blather, claim that all the victims > were Jews. > > Now we get to the spot where NIZKOR says something, to wit: > > "I suspect it may be impossible to determine the numbers, but this article > (EoH) struck me as reasonable, if for no other reason its mention of the > transport records and the trials, plus the bibliographic data. I'd > appreciate it if someone would check the earlier sources cited to > determine > if any orignial source is offered, and get back to us." > >>KEN IS LYING!!! to put the holocaust in the bet light so people would >>associate the word HOLOCAUST with the JEWS and WW2 so then JEWS could cash >>in on HOLOCAUST by producing books, interviews, movies (all are tools of >>propaganda) > > Please retract your lies, Leading Revisionist Scholar snow, > now tha they have been exposed. > > Question 11: > > In article , on August 15, > 2007, you authored an article which claimed, quote, "Kenneth McVay a > pedophile and a child molester who molested his own daughter..." > > Please document when and where any of my children have > made such statements or admit you cannot. > > Question 12: > > In article , posted on > August 15, 2007, you made the following allegation: > > "NIZKOR's self appointed director Ken McVay involved in tax fraud." > > Document your allegation that I am involved in tax fraud, or retract it. > > If you believe that someone has committed such an offense, by all > means report to the federal authorites post haste. Not doing so is, > in and of itself, a crime. > > -- > "But you have no interest in getting to the truth of the > matter are, you, you silly little toss." ("Ben Cramer," > Leading Revisionist Scholar) > The Nizkor Project: http://www.nizkor.org From snowonweb@hotmail.com Wed Nov 14 15:22:28 EST 2007 Article: 1225883 of alt.revisionism Xref: sn-us alt.revisionism:1225883 Path: sn-us!sn-feed-sjc-04!sn-xt-sjc-10!sn-xt-sjc-08!sn-xt-sjc-12!supernews.com!nntp.csufresno.edu!tethys.csu.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!newscon04.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!newsdst01.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr21.news.prodigy.net.POSTED!584e53d9!not-for-mail From: "snow" Newsgroups: alt.revisionism References: Subject: Re: Salzman was still a fat slag in May 2006 Lines: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="windows-1250"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1365 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1365 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 76.210.251.23 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr21.news.prodigy.net 1195008792 ST000 76.210.251.23 (Tue, 13 Nov 2007 21:53:12 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 21:53:12 EST Organization: SBC http://yahoo.sbc.com X-UserInfo1: SCSYQN_@OPTSC_TXMBND]_\@VR]^@B@MCPWZKB]MPXHZUYICD^RAQBKZQTZTX\_I[^G_KGFNON[ZOE_AZNVO^\XGGNTCIRPIJH[@RQKBXLRZ@CD^HKANYVW@RLGEZEJN@\_WZJBNZYYKVIOR]T]MNMG_Z[YVWSCH_Q[GPC_A@CARQVXDSDA^M]@DRVUM@RBM Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 02:53:12 GMT "It's all a bit strange" wrote in message news:Xns99E78C6AC6722TBAnoonecarescom@85.214.90.228... > "Kurt Knoll" wrote in > news:fKn_i.206950$th2.127507@pd7urf3no: > >> Are you sure Sara is a real person, If so tell us what kind of sex >> does she belong to. > > The kind you will never touch again she's a man?!? From snowonweb@hotmail.com Wed Nov 14 15:22:28 EST 2007 Article: 1225886 of alt.revisionism Xref: sn-us alt.revisionism:1225886 Path: sn-us!sn-feed-sjc-02!sn-us!sn-feed-sjc-03!sn-xt-sjc-11!sn-xt-sjc-07!sn-xt-sjc-09!sn-xt-sjc-13!supernews.com!newshub.sdsu.edu!newscon04.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!newsdst01.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr21.news.prodigy.net.POSTED!584e53d9!not-for-mail From: "snow" Newsgroups: alt.revisionism References: <5ptm2fFt3kn3U1@mid.individual.net> Subject: Re: Salzman was still a fat slag in May 2006 Lines: 4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="windows-1250"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1365 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1365 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 76.210.251.23 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr21.news.prodigy.net 1195009140 ST000 76.210.251.23 (Tue, 13 Nov 2007 21:59:00 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 21:59:00 EST Organization: SBC http://yahoo.sbc.com X-UserInfo1: SCSGG[GGGZUUB\H]]RKB_UDAZZ\DPCPDLXUNNHLHQAVTUZ]CLNTCPFK[WDXDHV[K^FCGJCJLPF_D_NCC@FUG^Q\DINVAXSLIFXYJSSCCALP@PB@\OS@BITWAH\CQZKJMMD^SJA^NXA\GVLSRBD^M_NW_F[YLVTWIGAXAQBOATKBBQRXECDFDMQ\DZFUE@\JM Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 02:59:00 GMT "Sara Salzman" wrote in message news:catamont-FAC1CD.10041413112007@news-40.giganews.com... > In article , > "B'enjamin C'ramer" wrote: > >> "Heinrich" wrote in message >> news:5ptm2fFt3kn3U1@mid.individual.net... >> > great find Ben. now i can understand why the number of people turning >> > gay >> > is on the rise. you need a box full of viagra to service those >> > creatures. >> > they are reaLLY UGLY AS HELL >> >> That's about as good as it gets, I'm afraid. >> >> This salzman thing seems to think she's omnipotent and beyond reach. >> She's >> about to discover it's not a good thing to associate with arseholes who >> fuck >> with Cramer's bank accounts and identity details. >> >> >> > "B'enjamin C'ramer" schreef in bericht >> > news:FcWdnT1PF4BRA6TanZ2dnUVZ_uOmnZ2d@giganews.com... >> >> http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee203/bencramer7/SaraSalzman.jpg >> >> >> >> Read about the fat slag here >> >> >> >> http://www.uchsc.edu/atp/files/Journeys%20Newsletters/Vol3.May2006.pdf >> > >> > > > Yet more impotent threats from Cramer. > You should know a lot about threat as you threaten Mr. Irving and many others as they exercised their freedom of speech. > I'm still waiting to "be sorry" for educating students, Cramer. When am > I going to "be sorry" for that? > > And I'm REALLY looking forward to "discover it's not a good thing..." > etc. For one thing, I have no idea who or what the fuck you're talking > about. For another, you can't even make a proper threat, much less > actually ACT on it. > > And finally, thanks for posting the article about the Assistive > Technology grant. I'm pretty proud of my participation in that, and > hadn't seen the link before. > > Of course, in Cramer's Nazi-world, all those disabled kids would have > been put to death in a T-4 program. > > -- > They ain't makin' Jews like Jesus anymore, > we don't turn the other cheek the way we did before, > they ain't makin' carpenters who know what nails are for, > oh they ain't makin' Jews like Jesus anymore." > - Kinky Friedman From snowonweb@hotmail.com Wed Nov 14 15:22:28 EST 2007 Article: 1225887 of alt.revisionism Xref: sn-us alt.revisionism:1225887 Path: sn-us!sn-feed-sjc-03!sn-xt-sjc-11!sn-xt-sjc-09!sn-xt-sjc-13!supernews.com!newshub.sdsu.edu!newscon04.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!newsdst01.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr21.news.prodigy.net.POSTED!584e53d9!not-for-mail From: "snow" Newsgroups: alt.revisionism References: <13jjrv8dseqkt40@corp.supernews.com> Subject: Re: 10 questions for leading revisionist scholar Ken McVay Lines: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="windows-1250"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1365 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1365 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 76.210.251.23 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr21.news.prodigy.net 1195009236 ST000 76.210.251.23 (Tue, 13 Nov 2007 22:00:36 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 22:00:36 EST Organization: SBC http://yahoo.sbc.com X-UserInfo1: OX[SCW[DVBSSP_@YMZJ\_Q\@TJ_ZTB\MV@BT]_MIJQR@EPIB_VUKAH_[MTX\IS[K[NGYJJFNOFZR_G[BUNTAOQLFE^TEHRPI]PZZRP_BMDSFQFL_]CBHXRWCMDCUZAZN@D_AKMNLEI]MWHCSXL^]NNC__CZFGSGHYYXWPFG@SCAVA]\FT\@B\RDGENSUQS^M Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 03:00:36 GMT "Kenneth McVay OBC" wrote in message news:13jjrv8dseqkt40@corp.supernews.com... > In article , > Leading Revisionist Scholar snow, a liar and coward, > wrote: > >> 1.. IS IT TRUE that in 1941 and again in 1942, the German Gestapo >> offered all European > > I am not a revisionst, Leading Revisionist Liar snow, so have no idea > who your questions were intended for. If you are curious about such > things, > however, I suggest you do your own research. Start here: Evasion noted Mr. McVay > > Leading Revisionist Scholar snow, it would be unfair, not to mention > inconsiderate, for anyone to label you as a liar without giving you > the opportunity to respond by supporting your specious assertions > with documentary evidence. > > Question 1: > > On July 25, 2007, you made two claims, to wit: > > 1. That no one was gassed at Auschwitz or Majdanek > 2. That the "gas chamber in aushwitz were build by russians after the > so called liberation." > > Please document your claims or retract them. > > Question 2: On July 26, 2007, you wrote: > > "I am still having a problem with the myth of gassing the jews." > > Please support your assertion with documentary evidence that homocidal > gassings are a "myth." > > Question 3: > > On July 26, 2007, you claimed that, "jews come out with awards so they > could award other jews and it is all based on how much you paid and to > whom and actually has very little to do with achievements." > > Please document these claims or retract them. > > Question 4: > > On July 29, 2007, you claimed, "...McVay in one of the threads stated > that 'if you question holocaust then you are automatically anti-Semite." > > Please provide an exact Google Groups link to any article in which > I made such a statement. > > Question 5: > > In article , > > you wrote: > > "In 1931 Stromberg v. California, the Jews defended Communists' free > speech > rights. Six decades later, in R. v. Keegstra, the Jews sued to prevent the > teaching of an alternative to the Exterminationist theory known as > "Revisionism" -- and won." > > Please provide documentary evidence that Mr. Keegstra was "sued by Jews" > as > you claim, and show how the Supreme Court of Canada lied when it said: > > Mr. James Keegstra was a high school teacher in Eckville, > Alberta, from the early 1970's until his dismissal in 1982. > In 1984, Mr. Keegstra was charged under s. 319(2) (then > 281.2(2)) of the Criminal Code with unlawfully promoting > hatred against an identifiable group by communicating > anti-Semitic statements to his students. He was convicted by > a jury in a trial before McKenzie J. of the Alberta Court of > Queen's Bench. > > Mr. Keegstra's teachings attributed various evil > qualities to Jews. He thus described Jews to his pupils as > ''treacherous'', ''subversive'', ''sadistic'', > ''money-loving'', ''power hungry'' and ''child killers''. He > taught his classes that Jewish people seek to destroy > Christianity and are responsible for depressions, anarchy, > chaos, wars and revolution. According to Mr. Keegstra, Jews > ''created the Holocaust to gain sympathy'' and, in contrast > to the open and honest Christians, were said to be > deceptive, secretive and inherently evil. Mr. Keegstra > expected his students to reproduce his teachings in class > and on exams. If they failed to do so, their marks suffered. > > Prior to his trial, Mr. Keegstra applied to the Court of > Queen's Bench in Alberta for an order quashing the charge on > a number of grounds, the primary one being that s. 319(2) of > the Criminal Code unjustifiably infringed his freedom of > expression as guaranteed by s. 2(b) of the Charter. Among > the other grounds of appeal was the allegation that the > defence of truth found in s. 319(3)(a) of the Code violates > the Charter's presumption of innocence. The application was > dismissed by Quigley J., and Mr. Keegstra was thereafter > tried and convicted. He then appealed his conviction to the > Alberta Court of Appeal, raising the same Charter issues. > The Court of Appeal unanimously accepted his argument, and > it is from this judgment that the Crown appeals. > > The Attorneys-General of Canada, Quebec, Ontario, > Manitoba and New Brunswick, the Canadian Jewish Congress, > Interamicus, the League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith, > Canada, and the Women's Legal Education and Action Fund > (L.E.A.F.) have intervened in this appeal in support of the > Crown. The Canadian Civil Liberties Association has > intervened in support of striking down the impugned > legislation. > > Question 6: > > In article , you wrote: > > "Why is it that most if not all Holocaust supporting articles are written > by > Jews or are sponsored by Jewish organization." > > Please prove your claim by providing data which supports it. List all > "Holocaust > supporting" articles and document the Jewish background of the authors. > > Question 7: > > On July 30, 2007, you wrote: > > "...it was actually American Jews that sold iron and oil to Nazi > Germany by using Sweden as a proxy since American jews couldn't > deal directly with Nazi Germany. > > "Sweden banks that financed it were run by Jews, as well as proxy > companies that were setup by jewish bank owners. Swedish people > didn't have a clue what was being done behind their backs." > > Please document these assertions, naming the "American Jews" > involved and the Swedish banks that were "setup by Jewish bank > owners." > > Question 8: > > On July 31, 2007, you asked, "Why is it that most if not all Holocaust > supporting > articles are written by Jews or are sponsored by Jewish organization." > > Please provide the data upon which you based these assertions. Include a > comprehensive list of "Holocaust supporting articles " and their > authors, > and show how each article is either written by a Jew or "sponsored by > Jewish organizations." > > Question 9: > > On August 1, 2007, you wrote, "[Wikipedia] is edited by members > who choose to exaggerate their own race or religion, and jews are > the forefront of such edits." > > Please document your claims - particularly the one about the Jews > being in the "forefront of such edits." > > Question 10: > > On August 5, 2007, you wrote: > >>Ken's website oMajdanek says 1.5 jews killed >>http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/camps/maidanek/ > > ...and... > >>KEN IS LYING!!! to put the holocaust in the best light so people would >>associate the word HOLOCAUST with the JEWS and WW2 so then JEWS could cash >>in on HOLOCAUST by producing books, interviews, movies (all are tools of >>propaganda) > > Let's visit http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/ and see what we > find, shall we? > > In http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/commission-07, we find the > Polish > Commission (notNizkor) saying, "The Polish-Soviet Extraordinary > Commission finds that during the four years the Majdanek Extermination > Camp was in existence the Hitlerite butchers, on thc direct orders of > their criminal government, exterminated by means of wholesalc shoincluding > Snyder, who > wrote, ""It is > estimated that 1.5 million inmates were gassed at Maidanek." > > (Snyder does NOT, the assertions of Leading Revisionist Scholar snow > notwithstanding, claim that all the victims were Jewish - that is, > he was lying - again.) > > The same article quotes Davidowitz (1,380,000 dead) and Sachar (500,000 > dead), while the > IFZ is quoted as saying that 50,000 *Jews* were murdered there. > > The Encyclopedia of the Holocaust is then cited, in a piece on Majdanek > written by > Lublin University's Zygmunt Mankowski, who wrote "close to 500,000 passed > through. Of those, according to current (1990) estimates, 360,000 died, > sixty percent from camp conditions, and forty percent from gassing, > hanging, > or being shot." > > Mankowski does not, contrary to your blather, claim that all the victims > were Jews. > > Now we get to the spot where NIZKOR says something, to wit: > > "I suspect it may be impossible to determine the numbers, but this article > (EoH) struck me as reasonable, if for no other reason its mention of the > transport records and the trials, plus the bibliographic data. I'd > appreciate it if someone would check the earlier sources cited to > determine > if any orignial source is offered, and get back to us." > >>KEN IS LYING!!! to put the holocaust in the bet light so people would >>associate the word HOLOCAUST with the JEWS and WW2 so then JEWS could cash >>in on HOLOCAUST by producing books, interviews, movies (all are tools of >>propaganda) > > Please retract your lies, Leading Revisionist Scholar snow, > now tha they have been exposed. > > Question 11: > > In article , on August 15, > 2007, you authored an article which claimed, quote, "Kenneth McVay a > pedophile and a child molester who molested his own daughter..." > > Please document when and where any of my children have > made such statements or admit you cannot. > > Question 12: > > In article , posted on > August 15, 2007, you made the following allegation: > > "NIZKOR's self appointed director Ken McVay involved in tax fraud." > > Document your allegation that I am involved in tax fraud, or retract it. > > If you believe that someone has committed such an offense, by all > means report to the federal authorites post haste. Not doing so is, > in and of itself, a crime. > > -- > "People want to know all the facts whatever they are true > or not." (Kurt Knoll, Kitimat's Leading Revisionist Scholar > and all-round moron.) > The Nizkor Project: http://www.nizkor.org/ From snowonweb@hotmail.com Wed Nov 14 15:22:29 EST 2007 Article: 1225888 of alt.revisionism Xref: sn-us alt.revisionism:1225888 Path: sn-us!sn-feed-sjc-04!sn-us!sn-feed-sjc-01!sn-xt-sjc-10!sn-xt-sjc-08!sn-xt-sjc-01!sn-xt-sjc-12!supernews.com!nntp.csufresno.edu!tethys.csu.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!newscon04.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!newsdst01.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr21.news.prodigy.net.POSTED!584e53d9!not-for-mail From: "snow" Newsgroups: alt.revisionism References: Subject: Re: Ben Cramer shown to be the fool yet again Lines: 6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="windows-1250"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1365 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1365 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 76.210.251.23 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr21.news.prodigy.net 1195009428 ST000 76.210.251.23 (Tue, 13 Nov 2007 22:03:48 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 22:03:48 EST Organization: SBC http://yahoo.sbc.com X-UserInfo1: SCSYQNON_BRWSQDYZBCBNWX@RJ_XPDLMN@GZ_GYO^BTBTSUBYFWEAE[YJLYPIWKHTFCMZKVMB^[Z^DOBRVVMOSPFHNSYXVDIE@X\BUC@GTSX@DL^GKFFHQCCE\G[JJBMYDYIJCZM@AY]GNGPJD]YNNW\GSX^GSCKHA[]@CCB\[@LATPD\L@J\\PF]VR[QPJN Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 03:03:48 GMT "Eugene Holman" wrote in message news:holman-6A7CDF.21140313112007@oravannahka.helsinki.fi... > Cramer claims that the Kurds were gassed by the Iranians, despite all > evidence indicating that the Iraqis pulled off that one. Now we get this > new evidence from the source himself: Never seen him claiming that Iranians are responsible for Kurds gassing. Could you be so kind and provide a link and statement where he claims the above. By the way, Iranians and Iraqis are both responsible for many Kurds deaths. > > Source: > http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wn_report/2007/11/13/2007-11-13_in_book_f > bi_agent_says_saddam_hussein_cr-2.html > > > > Source: The "Butcher of Baghdad" also confessed he ordered Kurdish > civilians gassed and slaughtered thousands more, their remains left in > mass graves. > > > > Sung to the the main theme of the fourth movement of Tchaikovsky's Fifth > Symphony [http://w3.rz-berlin.mpg.de/cmp/tchaikovsky_sym5_4a.mp3]. > > Everybody hates Benjie Cramer. > Nobody likes Benjie Cramer. > The man's a jerk and a fool, > I doubt he's ever gone to school. > > Regards, > Eugene Holman From snowonweb@hotmail.com Wed Nov 14 15:22:29 EST 2007 Article: 1225890 of alt.revisionism Xref: sn-us alt.revisionism:1225890 Path: sn-us!sn-feed-sjc-01!sn-us!sn-feed-sjc-04!sn-xt-sjc-10!sn-xt-sjc-08!sn-xt-sjc-12!supernews.com!nntp.csufresno.edu!tethys.csu.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!newscon04.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!newsdst01.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr21.news.prodigy.net.POSTED!584e53d9!not-for-mail From: "snow" Newsgroups: alt.revisionism References: <1194901697.518197.282760@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: What is a zid? Lines: 2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="windows-1250"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1365 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1365 Message-ID: <4Rt_i.22717$JD.5151@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 76.210.251.23 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr21.news.prodigy.net 1195010496 ST000 76.210.251.23 (Tue, 13 Nov 2007 22:21:36 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 22:21:36 EST Organization: SBC http://yahoo.sbc.com X-UserInfo1: OX[SCW[DVBSSP_@YMZJ\_Q\@TJ_ZTB\MV@BT]_MIJQR@EPIB_VUKAH_[MTX\IS[K[NGYJJFNOFZR_G[BUNTAOQLFE^TEHRPI]PZZRP_BMDSFQFL_]CBHXRWCMDCUZAZN@D_AKMNLEI]MWHCSXL^]NNC__CZFGSGHYYXWPFG@SCAVA]\FT\@B\RDGENSUQS^M Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 03:21:36 GMT "It's all a bit strange" wrote in message news:Xns99E76A3B0C825TBAnoonecarescom@85.214.90.228... > "snow" wrote in > news:JXk_i.2924$sm1.766@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com: > >> >> >> wrote in message >> news:1194901697.518197.282760@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com... >>> On Nov 11, 2:23 pm, "Neil Harrington" wrote: >>>> "snow" wrote in message >>>> >>>> news:dlHZi.5095$852.3993@newssvr17.news.prodigy.net... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> > "It's all a bit strange" wrote >>>> > in messagenews:Xns99E4A8885EB40TBAnoonecarescom@194.177.96.26... >>>> >> To help snow with his reading/comprehension problem I'll post the >>>> >> two definitions: >>>> >>>> >> 1) A shorthand abbreviation of naZIDenier. >>>> >>>> >> 2) Acronym for "Zero Intelligent Dolt" as in Kurt is a zid. >>>> >>>> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_ethnonym >>>> > look under slavic countries so you will know where ZID or ZYD >>>> > comes from, >>>> > zydzie pierdolony >>>> >>>> I think most everyone understands that "zid" or "zyd" means Jew, >>>> except apparently the dim bulb you're replying to. >>>> >>>> Lately in this NG we've had other Holocaust promoters calling >>>> revisionists >>>> names meaning Jew. I believe Oy Vey McVay for example was calling >>>> several of >>>> us "zionazis" just a while ago. >>>> >>>> Either they're more confused than before, or they're just going >>>> completely >>>> nuts. Maybe this shows that steadfast belief in Nazi gas chambers >>>> causes one's brain to turn to soap. >>>> >>>> Neil >>> >>> Zid is a made up word in english; it can mean anything to anyone. In >>> the context of nazi denier it is equivalent to Holocaust denier; it >>> is a epidemiological neurological infectious pimple, if left >>> unchecked turns into a ZID boil and if further left unchecked turned >>> into a neurological infectious carbunkle.Alas, it is much easier to >>> surgically cut out and drain a carbunkle than to treat a ZID despite >>> the metaphor. >> >> Zid is not a made up word, dumbass. Zid is the pronunciation of the >> word ZYD that comes from Polish and simply means Jew. >> Just like the car manufacturer FORD, it was given many acronyms (Fix >> Or Repair Daily) but still FORD means FORD. So doesn't matter what >> acronyms you give to the word ZID. It simply means Jew in Slavic >> languages. I knew RJ was dumb but you sound dumber than I though you >> would be. Also, remember that Poland had the 2nd largest community of >> Jews before ww2, many Jews left Poland during the Nazi invasion and >> brought that word with them. Lately the word has been given negative >> connotation to it but there is no other word in Polish to say Jew. >> Just because dumb RJ saw the word in soc,culture.polish, he got the >> meaning wrong. >> >> >> >> >>> >>> I can't speak for McVay but the term Zionazi, which is utterly absurd >>> in light of the Holocaust, was issued forth by Turkey Butt Boy. I >>> think McVay may have used it just to highlight how absurd it was. >>> >>> Michael Ragland >>> >> > > zid is an appropriate contraction of naZIDenier. It can also be used as > the acronym for "zero intelligence dolt" > > Words change, meanings evolve. Get over it. And you 'evolved' the meaning, please spare us the laughter and amusement and post something interesting and meaningful for a change. From snowonweb@hotmail.com Wed Nov 14 15:22:30 EST 2007 Article: 1225891 of alt.revisionism Xref: sn-us alt.revisionism:1225891 Path: sn-us!sn-feed-sjc-04!sn-xt-sjc-10!sn-xt-sjc-08!sn-xt-sjc-12!supernews.com!nntp.csufresno.edu!tethys.csu.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!newscon04.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!newsdst01.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr21.news.prodigy.net.POSTED!584e53d9!not-for-mail From: "snow" Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Reckless Rites - Purim and the Legacy of Jewish Violence Lines: 7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00DA_01C82643.8B22FF10" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1365 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1365 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 76.210.251.23 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr21.news.prodigy.net 1195010607 ST000 76.210.251.23 (Tue, 13 Nov 2007 22:23:27 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 22:23:27 EST Organization: SBC http://yahoo.sbc.com X-UserInfo1: OX[SCW[DVBSSP_@YMZJ\_Q\@TJ_ZTB\MV@BT]_MIJQR@EPIB_VUKAH_[MTX\IS[K[NGYJJFNOFZR_G[BUNTAOQLFE^TEHRPI]PZZRP_BMDSFQFL_]CBHXRWCMDCUZAZN@D_AKMNLEI]MWHCSXL^]NNC__CZFGSGHYYXWPFG@SCAVA]\FT\@B\RDGENSUQS^M Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 03:23:27 GMT This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00DA_01C82643.8B22FF10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?z=3Dy&isbn=3D= 0691124914&itm=3D1 Synopsis Historical accounts of Jewish violence--particularly against = Christians--have long been explosive material. Some historians have = distorted these records for anti-Semitic purposes. Others have = discounted, dismissed, or simply ignored the evidence, often for = apologetic purposes. In Reckless Rites, Elliott Horowitz takes a new and forthright look at = both the history of Jewish violence since late antiquity and the ways in = which generations of historians have grappled with that history. In the = process, he has written the most wide-ranging book on Jewish violence in = any language, and the first to fully acknowledge and address the actual = anti-Christian practices that became part of the playful, theatrical = violence of the Jewish festival of Purim. He has also examined the = different ways in which the book of Esther, upon which the festival is = based, was used by Jews and Christians over the centuries--whether as an = ancient mirror of modern tribulations or as the scriptural basis for = anti-Semitic claims regarding the bloodthirstiness of the Jews. Reckless Rites reassesses the historical interpretation of Jewish = violence--from the alleged massacre of thousands of Christians in = seventh-century Jerusalem to later medieval attacks on Christian symbols = such as the crucifix, transgressions that were often committed in full = knowledge that their likely consequence would be death. A book that calls for major changes in the way that Jewish history is = written and conceptualized, Reckless Rites will be essential reading for = scholars and students of history, religion, and Jewish-Christian = relations. More Reviews and Recommendations =20 Biography Elliott Horowitz, a native of New York City, is Associate Professor of = Jewish History at Bar-Ilan University, Israel. He is coeditor of the = "Jewish Quarterly Review".=20 ------=_NextPart_000_00DA_01C82643.8B22FF10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Historical accounts of Jewish violence--particularly against = Christians--have=20 long been explosive material. Some historians have distorted these = records for=20 anti-Semitic purposes. Others have discounted, dismissed, or simply = ignored the=20 evidence, often for apologetic purposes.

In Reckless Rites, Elliott Horowitz takes a new and forthright = look at=20 both the history of Jewish violence since late antiquity and the ways in = which=20 generations of historians have grappled with that history. In the = process, he=20 has written the most wide-ranging book on Jewish violence in any = language, and=20 the first to fully acknowledge and address the actual anti-Christian = practices=20 that became part of the playful, theatrical violence of the Jewish = festival of=20 Purim. He has also examined the different ways in which the book of = Esther, upon=20 which the festival is based, was used by Jews and Christians over the=20 centuries--whether as an ancient mirror of modern tribulations or as the = scriptural basis for anti-Semitic claims regarding the bloodthirstiness = of the=20 Jews.

Reckless Rites reassesses the historical interpretation of = Jewish=20 violence--from the alleged massacre of thousands of Christians in=20 seventh-century Jerusalem to later medieval attacks on Christian symbols = such as=20 the crucifix, transgressions that were often committed in full knowledge = that=20 their likely consequence would be death.

A book that calls for major changes in the way that Jewish history is = written=20 and conceptualized, Reckless Rites will be essential reading for = scholars=20 and students of history, religion, and Jewish-Christian relations.

More=20 Reviews and Recommendations=20

Biography

Elliott Horowitz, a native of New York City, is Associate Professor = of Jewish=20 History at Bar-Ilan University, Israel. He is coeditor of the "Jewish = Quarterly=20 Review".

------=_NextPart_000_00DA_01C82643.8B22FF10-- From snowonweb@hotmail.com Wed Nov 14 15:22:30 EST 2007 Article: 1225892 of alt.revisionism Xref: sn-us alt.revisionism:1225892 Path: sn-us!sn-feed-sjc-01!sn-xt-sjc-10!sn-xt-sjc-01!sn-xt-sjc-13!supernews.com!newshub.sdsu.edu!newscon04.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!newsdst01.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr21.news.prodigy.net.POSTED!584e53d9!not-for-mail From: "snow" Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Prophets Outcast: A Century of Dissident Jewish Writing About Zionism and Isreal Lines: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00E3_01C82644.0A3ADAC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1365 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1365 Message-ID: <9Wt_i.22719$JD.16083@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 76.210.251.23 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr21.news.prodigy.net 1195010821 ST000 76.210.251.23 (Tue, 13 Nov 2007 22:27:01 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 22:27:01 EST Organization: SBC http://yahoo.sbc.com X-UserInfo1: SCSYASNDERRMRWX[N[O@_WH@YR_B@EXLLBWLOOAFMASJETAANVW[AKWZE\]^XQWIGNE_[EBL@^_\^JOCQ^RSNVLGTFTKHTXHHP[NB\_C@\SD@EP_[KCXX__AGDDEKGFNB\ZOKLRNCY_CGG[RHT_UN@C_BSY\G__IJIX_PLSA[CCFAULEY\FL\VLGANTQQ]FN Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 03:27:01 GMT This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00E3_01C82644.0A3ADAC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?z=3Dy&EAN=3D9= 781560255093&itm=3D8=20 Synopsis Contrary to the claims of the American Jewish establishment and the = Israel lobby, Jews do not speak with one voice about the Middle East. = Since the early twentieth century some of the fiercest and most eloquent = critiques of Israel and Zionism have been made by Jewish thinkers. They = have hailed from political and intellectual traditions-Zionism (Hannah = Arendt), anti-Zionism (Maxim Rodinson), anarchism (Noam Chomsky), and = Marxism (I. F. Stone). Unconditional supporters of the state of Israel = have denounced them as heretics. Yet in the midst of the violence = engulfing Palestine and Israel, their warnings about the Zionist = project, with its vision of an ethnically pure Jewish state, have never = seemed more prescient. These prophets outcast speak out as individuals = in a wilderness, proposing solutions to the question of Palestine that = range from a two-state solution to socialist internationalism. What = links them is an understanding that Israeli policies have been a = disaster not only for Palestinians, but for Jews as well. As Jews, they = express a recognition of the tragic thread that connects the Palestinian = catastrophe to the Holocaust, the destruction of European Jewry that = made Israel possible, and that led many Jews to view Zionism as their = only salvation. ------=_NextPart_000_00E3_01C82644.0A3ADAC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 

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Contrary to the claims of the American Jewish establishment and the = Israel=20 lobby, Jews do not speak with one voice about the Middle East. Since the = early=20 twentieth century some of the fiercest and most eloquent critiques of = Israel and=20 Zionism have been made by Jewish thinkers. They have hailed from = political and=20 intellectual traditions-Zionism (Hannah Arendt), anti-Zionism (Maxim = Rodinson),=20 anarchism (Noam Chomsky), and Marxism (I. F. Stone). Unconditional = supporters of=20 the state of Israel have denounced them as heretics. Yet in the midst of = the=20 violence engulfing Palestine and Israel, their warnings about the = Zionist=20 project, with its vision of an ethnically pure Jewish state, have never = seemed=20 more prescient. These prophets outcast speak out as individuals in a = wilderness,=20 proposing solutions to the question of Palestine that range from a = two-state=20 solution to socialist internationalism. What links them is an = understanding that=20 Israeli policies have been a disaster not only for Palestinians, but for = Jews as=20 well. As Jews, they express a recognition of the tragic thread that = connects the=20 Palestinian catastrophe to the Holocaust, the destruction of European = Jewry that=20 made Israel possible, and that led many Jews to view Zionism as their = only=20 salvation.

------=_NextPart_000_00E3_01C82644.0A3ADAC0-- From snowonweb@hotmail.com Wed Nov 14 15:22:31 EST 2007 Article: 1225894 of alt.revisionism Xref: sn-us alt.revisionism:1225894 Path: sn-us!sn-feed-sjc-04!sn-xt-sjc-10!sn-xt-sjc-01!sn-xt-sjc-12!supernews.com!nntp.csufresno.edu!tethys.csu.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!newscon04.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!newsdst01.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr21.news.prodigy.net.POSTED!584e53d9!not-for-mail From: "snow" Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Threat from within: A Century of Jewish Opposition to Zionism Lines: 2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00EC_01C82644.ADBB1610" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1365 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1365 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 76.210.251.23 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr21.news.prodigy.net 1195011095 ST000 76.210.251.23 (Tue, 13 Nov 2007 22:31:35 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 22:31:35 EST Organization: SBC http://yahoo.sbc.com X-UserInfo1: SCSYQNON_BRWSQDYZBCBNWX@RJ_XPDLMN@GZ_GYO^BTBTSUBYFWEAE[YJLYPIWKHTFCMZKVMB^[Z^DOBRVVMOSPFHNSYXVDIE@X\BUC@GTSX@DL^GKFFHQCCE\G[JJBMYDYIJCZM@AY]GNGPJD]YNNW\GSX^GSCKHA[]@CCB\[@LATPD\L@J\\PF]VR[QPJN Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 03:31:35 GMT This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00EC_01C82644.ADBB1610 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?z=3Dy&EAN=3D9= 781842776995&itm=3D37 Synopsis The violence in Israel/Palestine acquires a different meaning when seen = in the context of internal opposition to Zionism. Dire warnings voiced = at the birth of Zionism now sound prophetic. The anti-Zionists have = claimed all along that far from "solving the Jewish question" and = offering Jews a safe haven, Zionism would only fan hatred of the Jews.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_00EC_01C82644.ADBB1610 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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The violence in Israel/Palestine acquires a different meaning when = seen in=20 the context of internal opposition to Zionism. Dire warnings voiced at = the birth=20 of Zionism now sound prophetic. The anti-Zionists have claimed all along = that=20 far from "solving the Jewish question" and offering Jews a safe haven, = Zionism=20 would only fan hatred of the Jews.

------=_NextPart_000_00EC_01C82644.ADBB1610-- From snowonweb@hotmail.com Wed Nov 14 15:22:31 EST 2007 Article: 1225895 of alt.revisionism Xref: sn-us alt.revisionism:1225895 Path: sn-us!sn-feed-sjc-01!sn-xt-sjc-10!sn-xt-sjc-01!sn-xt-sjc-13!supernews.com!newshub.sdsu.edu!newscon04.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!newsdst01.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr21.news.prodigy.net.POSTED!584e53d9!not-for-mail From: "snow" Newsgroups: alt.revisionism References: <4oWdnVzNRMhUP6TanZ2dnUVZ_u6rnZ2d@giganews.com> <1195008701.142614.30900@v2g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Salzman and her gang of thieves and professional liars Lines: 5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1365 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1365 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 76.210.251.23 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr21.news.prodigy.net 1195011148 ST000 76.210.251.23 (Tue, 13 Nov 2007 22:32:28 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 22:32:28 EST Organization: SBC http://yahoo.sbc.com X-UserInfo1: S[OGBVOGZZV[CFD[LZKJOPHAWB\^PBQLGPQRZQ]KEYUNDQUCCNSUAACY@L[ZX__HGFD]JBJNSFXTOOGA_VWY^_HG@FW_HUTHOH]TBPGCO\P^PLP^@[GLHUK@WLECKFVL^TYG[@RMWQXIWM[SDDYWNLG_G[_BWUCHFY_Y@AS@Q[B\APPF@DCZM_PG_VSCPQZM Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 03:32:28 GMT "Philip Mathews" wrote in message news:1195008701.142614.30900@v2g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... > On Nov 13, 12:25 pm, "snow" wrote: >> "B'enjamin C'ramer" wrote in message >> >> news:4oWdnVzNRMhUP6TanZ2dnUVZ_u6rnZ2d@giganews.com... >> >> > Mikkel Andersson, information technology consultant Yale F. Edeiken, >> > attorney Richard J. Green, physical chemist Patrick J. Groff, computer >> > scientist Ralf Loserth, computer scientist Andrew E. Mathis, scholar of >> > English and American Literature Harry W. Mazal, chemist Jamie McCarthy, >> > computer scientist Gord McFee, historian and scholar of German History >> > and >> > Literature Danny Mittleman, associate professor of information systems >> > Sara Salzman, Marketing Consultant John Zimmerman, associate professor >> > of >> > accounting, business and economics >> >> Did they all fisted her at the same time or individually? > > Is that English, stupid boy? > > -- > Philip Mathews > No, Yiddish! From snowonweb@hotmail.com Wed Nov 14 15:22:32 EST 2007 Article: 1225896 of alt.revisionism Xref: sn-us alt.revisionism:1225896 Path: sn-us!sn-feed-sjc-03!sn-xt-sjc-11!sn-xt-sjc-08!sn-xt-sjc-12!supernews.com!postnews.google.com!news2.google.com!newshub.sdsu.edu!newscon04.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!newsdst01.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr21.news.prodigy.net.POSTED!584e53d9!not-for-mail From: "snow" Newsgroups: alt.revisionism References: <1195008861.747523.40780@50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Pleas to rescue Jews in the Holocaust ignored by Zionist leaders (Rich Jews refuse to help their brothers and sisters, the poor Jews) Lines: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1365 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1365 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 76.210.251.23 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr21.news.prodigy.net 1195011228 ST000 76.210.251.23 (Tue, 13 Nov 2007 22:33:48 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 22:33:48 EST Organization: SBC http://yahoo.sbc.com X-UserInfo1: SCSYQN_@OPTSC_TXMBND]_\@VR]^@B@MCPWZKB]MPXHZUYICD^RAQBKZQTZTX\_I[^G_KGFNON[ZOE_AZNVO^\XGGNTCIRPIJH[@RQKBXLRZ@CD^HKANYVW@RLGEZEJN@\_WZJBNZYYKVIOR]T]MNMG_Z[YVWSCH_Q[GPC_A@CARQVXDSDA^M]@DRVUM@RBM Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 03:33:48 GMT "Philip Mathews" wrote in message news:1195008861.747523.40780@50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com... > On Nov 13, 4:02 pm, "snow" wrote: >> "It's all a bit strange" wrote in >> messagenews:Xns99E76A999B955TBAnoonecarescom@85.214.90.228... > >> > So now szaki admits that there was a holocaust. > >> Holocaust was originally used in English for a "burnt offering," > > So what stupid! > > Lots of words used to be used to mean something else. > > -- > Philip Mathews > Would you mind giving some examples. From snowonweb@hotmail.com Thu Nov 15 22:48:42 EST 2007 Article: 1226133 of alt.revisionism Xref: sn-us alt.revisionism:1226133 Path: sn-us!sn-feed-sjc-01!sn-xt-sjc-10!sn-xt-sjc-01!sn-xt-sjc-13!supernews.com!newshub.sdsu.edu!newscon04.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!newsdst01.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr19.news.prodigy.net.POSTED!584e53d9!not-for-mail From: "snow" Newsgroups: alt.revisionism References: Subject: Re: Some questions for gas chamber skeptics Lines: 2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="windows-1250"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1365 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1365 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 76.210.251.23 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr19.news.prodigy.net 1195080522 ST000 76.210.251.23 (Wed, 14 Nov 2007 17:48:42 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 17:48:42 EST Organization: AT&T http://yahoo.sbc.com X-UserInfo1: SCSYQN_@FS@GB^@[AZKLNFXBWR\HPCTL@XT^OBPLAH[\BPIB_NVUAH_[BL[\IRKIANGGJBFNJF_DOLSCENSY^U@FRFUEXR@KFXYDBPWBCDQJA@X_DCBHXR[C@\EOKCJLED_SZ@RMWYXYWE_P@\\GOIW^@SYFFSWHFIXMADO@^[ADPRPETLBJ]RDGENSKQQZN Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 17:46:40 -0500 "Eugene Holman" wrote in message news:holman-68C7DA.08122914112007@oravannahka.helsinki.fi... > Some people here base their skepticism concerning the existence of Nazi > gas chambers on the claim put forth in some denier quarters that it is > extremely difficult and dangerous to kill people using poison gas > without simultaneously producing a major environmental hazard. > Nevertheless, any fireman or policeman knows how easily people succumb > to carbon monoxide, automobile exhaust, smoke inhalation, and other > lethal agents they have been forced to breathe long enough for it to > kill them. All the more so if they have been purposely weakened, > disoriented, or terrorized beforehand. > > My claim is that it is extraordinarily easy and safe to kill any living > being if you have control over the composition of the ambient air it is > forced to breathe. It is even easier if you can soften them up for a few > days in advance of the killing action. That is, I would claim, precisely > the methodology favored by the Nazis. > > Specifically, I claim that a minimalist, non-technical homicidal gas > chamber for killing people in large batches would be a sturdily built > room with a low (2 meters/6 feet) ceiling, no windows, an airtight door, > and a ventilation system that could be turned off and on. > Alternatively, there could be windows, preferably with shutters, for > cross ventilation, but they would have to be barred inside and only > capable of being opened from the outside. > > It could be used to kill people using the following methodology: Exactly, "it could be used", so it means that there are no factual data or documents and it's only a speculation. Nazis could also shoot the prisoners which would make more sense than allegedly gassing the prisoners. > > 1. You "soften up" and disorient your victims by rounding them up, > terrorizing them with growling dogs and cudgels as you load them into > freight cars, telling them that they are going to be resettled at some > undisclosed point in "the East". > > 2. You pack them in the train so that they have standing room only, and > you transport them to the undisclosed information over a timeframe > lasting several days, providing them with minimal food, water, heating, > or opportunities to bathe or wash. > > 3. When they arrive at the death camp, the seemingly friendly officer in > charge begs their pardon for the arduous journey, and tells them that > clean clothes and a warm meal await them as soon as they take a mass > shower. The bodies of those who were dead on arrival are quietly > disposed of. > > 4. You separate the healthy and strong ones from the women with infants > or small children, the infants and children themselves, the elderly, and > the infirm. > > 5. This latter group is led to the sturdily constructed, air-tight room, > ordered to strip naked for the shower, and packed in to the maximum > possible. > > 6. The door of the room is closed and shut tight, and the lights are > turned out. > > I claim that even if no lethal agent is introduced to the room at all, > everybody in it will have suffocated or been crushed to death within > fifteen to twenty minutes. If carbon monoxide or cyanide is introduced > into the room, say, in double the concentration lethal to humans, an > amount that any toxicologist or exterminator can calculate with ease, > the mass killing will proceed all the more rapidly, due to the combined > effects of suffocation, pandemonium, which will cause the victims to > scream, breathe deeply as they try to break out, or be crushed, and the > effect of the lethal agent. > > No hi-tech death machine invented by a team of top scientists is > necessary if the objective is simply to kill the victims as simply and > inexpensively as possible. Anybody who has worked with physical > chemistry can construct a computer model of the changing composition of > the ambient air in an airtight room full of people and see that no > lethal agent all would be necessary for conditions within the room, with > oxygen being depleted and the carbon dioxide content increasing, to > become impossible to sustain life within ten or so minutes. > > Can any gas chamber skeptic find a hole in this argument? Can anyone > explain why they think that all of the bells, whistles, and > appurtenances that Fred Leuchter thinks are defining attributes of a gas > chamber are really necessary? Or why the Nazis should have gone for an > expensive and complex hi-tech solution when a cheap and simple low-tech > solution would have done the job more effectively? > > Regards, > Eugene Holman From snowonweb@hotmail.com Thu Nov 15 22:48:42 EST 2007 Article: 1226138 of alt.revisionism Xref: sn-us alt.revisionism:1226138 Path: sn-us!sn-feed-sjc-01!sn-xt-sjc-10!sn-xt-sjc-01!sn-xt-sjc-14!supernews.com!newsfeed.news2me.com!newshub.sdsu.edu!newscon04.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!newsdst01.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr19.news.prodigy.net.POSTED!584e53d9!not-for-mail From: "snow" Newsgroups: alt.revisionism References: Subject: Re: Some questions for gas chamber skeptics Lines: 4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="windows-1250"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1365 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1365 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 76.210.251.23 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr19.news.prodigy.net 1195081111 ST000 76.210.251.23 (Wed, 14 Nov 2007 17:58:31 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 17:58:31 EST Organization: AT&T http://yahoo.sbc.com X-UserInfo1: OX[SCW[DVBSSP_@YMZJ\_Q\@TJ_ZTB\MV@BJ]Q]KEYUNDQUCCNSUAACY@L[ZX__HGFD]JBJNSFXTOOGA_VWY^_HG@FW_HUTHOH]TBPGCO\P^PLP^@[GLHUK@WLECKFVL^TYG[@RMWQXIWM[SDDYWNLG_G[_BWUCHFY_Y@AS@Q[B\APPF@DCZM_PG_VSCPQZM Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 17:56:30 -0500 "It's all a bit strange" wrote in message news:Xns99E810B8B1D68TBAnoonecarescom@85.214.90.228... > "B'enjamin C'ramer" wrote in > news:pK6dneROZaAIIqfanZ2dnUVZ_hudnZ2d@giganews.com: > >>> Flattery will get you nowhere. If you have some objections to what I >>> posetd, state them explicitly and give an alternative. >> >> "Pposetd?" Are you taking lessons in stupdidity from the cohen clown? > > look at this shmeggegie, while doing a spelling flame he makes a spelling > error. LOL but zids are sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo stupid. I agree, Zid are so stupid, they think mass public buys their stories about death camps and mass extermination, when it is obvious that if Nazis really wanted to exterminate Jews, there are simpler, less expensive and more efficient ways of doing so. From snowonweb@hotmail.com Thu Nov 15 22:48:43 EST 2007 Article: 1226140 of alt.revisionism Xref: sn-us alt.revisionism:1226140 Path: sn-us!sn-feed-sjc-02!sn-xt-sjc-11!sn-xt-sjc-08!sn-xt-sjc-12!supernews.com!nntp.csufresno.edu!tethys.csu.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!newscon04.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!newsdst01.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr19.news.prodigy.net.POSTED!584e53d9!not-for-mail From: "snow" Newsgroups: alt.revisionism References: <5pvfufFtghc5U2@mid.individual.net> Subject: Re: Jews misbehaving in Poland Lines: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="windows-1250"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1365 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1365 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 76.210.251.23 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr19.news.prodigy.net 1195081543 ST000 76.210.251.23 (Wed, 14 Nov 2007 18:05:43 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 18:05:43 EST Organization: AT&T http://yahoo.sbc.com X-UserInfo1: SCSYQNON_BRWSQDYZBCBNWX@RJ_XPDLMN@GZ_GYO^ZWZUYICD^RAQBKZQTZTX\_I[^G_KGFNON[ZOE_AZNVO^\XGGNTCIRPIJH[@RQKBXLRZ@CD^HKANYVW@RLGEZEJN@\_WZJBNZYYKVIOR]T]MNMG_Z[YVWSCH_Q[GPC_A@CARQVXDSDA^M]@DRVUM@RBM Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 18:03:41 -0500 "Heinrich" wrote in message news:5pvfufFtghc5U2@mid.individual.net... > Seven students from the Alliance high school in Tel Aviv were kicked out > of > a Krakow hotel and will be sent home a day before their school trip in > Poland ends, due to their unruly behavior. > > > The students, who were in Poland for a visit to the death and > concentration > camps, reportedly climbed to the hotel's roof at night, without their > supervisors' permission, played in the snow and disrupted the guests' > sleep. > > Due to their punishment, the seven will not visit Auschwitz. > > "The students were clowning around," said the school's principal Varda > Cagan. "They were excited about the snow, and it's a shame we decided to > hold the trip now, and not earlier in the year. We sent them home a day > earlier as an educational punishment. What they did was unacceptable." > > Cagan said that some parents claimed that the decision was too harsh, but > added that the punishment was aimed at preventing a disaster in the > future. > > "The students begged to be able to visit Auschwitz in order to say kaddish > over their grandparents, but we decided to send them home straight away," > she stated. "Although they did not mean to harm anyone, and were very > sorry > for what they did, mistakes come with a price. It's important to stress > that > there were no alcohol, illegal substances or vandalism involved." > This is some old news, but in defense of Israeli youth, they are on a school trip and as with any school trip to different country especially, it is filled with partying. We seriously can't expect Israeli youth to feel remorse and pray just because they are in Poland to visit former work camps. I am sure most of the students could care less about history and Auschwitz. As far as they are concerned it's a trip to the museum. From snowonweb@hotmail.com Thu Nov 15 22:48:43 EST 2007 Article: 1226153 of alt.revisionism Xref: sn-us alt.revisionism:1226153 Path: sn-us!sn-feed-sjc-02!sn-xt-sjc-11!sn-xt-sjc-09!sn-xt-sjc-13!supernews.com!news.glorb.com!newscon02.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!newsdst01.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr19.news.prodigy.net.POSTED!584e53d9!not-for-mail From: "snow" Newsgroups: alt.revisionism References: <1195033321.229588.32450@o38g2000hse.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Expected better from Dr. Holman - Re: Ben Cramer shown to be the fool yet again Lines: 2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1365 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1365 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 76.210.251.23 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr19.news.prodigy.net 1195082674 ST000 76.210.251.23 (Wed, 14 Nov 2007 18:24:34 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 18:24:34 EST Organization: AT&T http://yahoo.sbc.com X-UserInfo1: SCSGG[GGGZUUB\H]]RKB_UDAZZ\DPCPDLXUNNHPIMASJETAANVW[AKWZE\]^XQWIGNE_[EBL@^_\^JOCQ^RSNVLGTFTKHTXHHP[NB\_C@\SD@EP_[KCXX__AGDDEKGFNB\ZOKLRNCY_CGG[RHT_UN@C_BSY\G__IJIX_PLSA[CCFAULEY\FL\VLGANTQQ]FN Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 18:22:32 -0500 "TurkeyBoy" wrote in message news:1195033321.229588.32450@o38g2000hse.googlegroups.com... > On Nov 13, 8:14 pm, Eugene Holman wrote: >> Cramer claims that the Kurds were gassed by the Iranians, despite all >> evidence indicating that the Iraqis pulled off that one. Now we get this >> new evidence from the source himself: >> >> Source:http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wn_report/2007/11/13/2007-11-13_in_bo... >> bi_agent_says_saddam_hussein_cr-2.html >> >> >> >> Source: The "Butcher of Baghdad" also confessed he ordered Kurdish >> civilians gassed and slaughtered thousands more, their remains left in >> mass graves. >> >> >> >> Sung to the the main theme of the fourth movement of Tchaikovsky's Fifth >> Symphony [http://w3.rz-berlin.mpg.de/cmp/tchaikovsky_sym5_4a.mp3]. >> >> Everybody hates Benjie Cramer. >> Nobody likes Benjie Cramer. >> The man's a jerk and a fool, >> I doubt he's ever gone to school. >> >> Regards, >> Eugene Holman > > This post does no credit to your reputation as a thoughtful and > intelligent poster for the pro-holo side. I see you as someone who is > above the personal bickering that goes on here. I used to read Smith's > anti-holo posts with the same interest as your pro-holo posts. Smith > is long gone and I suspect that he left because the level of posts hit > rock bottom, thanks mostly to all the filth put out by Ron Jacobson > using multiple aliases. > > When you stopped posting, I assumed that you left as Smith left, > disgusted with the mindless filth that goes back and forth on > alt.revisionism. Seeing your post, I assumed that you came back to > restore some civility to alt.revisionism and present some well > composed arguments, maybe from your latest book :) > > I am at a loss to understand your childish "poem" about Cramer. Cramer > is Cramer and he gives as good or bad as he gets. You are an > exceptionally educated person who can make his point without resorting > to personal attacks. You can do better. > > Have a nice vegetarian day! > I agree that it was a low hit from Mr. Holman, I personally still consider him to be one of the most educated and outspoken person in this group. Even though I may not agree with him, his information is often insightful and has lots of content. From snowonweb@hotmail.com Thu Nov 15 22:48:43 EST 2007 Article: 1226162 of alt.revisionism Xref: sn-us alt.revisionism:1226162 Path: sn-us!sn-feed-sjc-01!sn-us!sn-feed-sjc-04!sn-xt-sjc-10!sn-xt-sjc-06!sn-xt-sjc-12!supernews.com!nntp.csufresno.edu!tethys.csu.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!newscon04.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!newsdst01.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr19.news.prodigy.net.POSTED!584e53d9!not-for-mail From: "snow" Newsgroups: alt.revisionism References: <1195008861.747523.40780@50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com> <1195013994.225293.221910@v3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Pleas to rescue Jews in the Holocaust ignored by Zionist leaders (Rich Jews refuse to help their brothers and sisters, the poor Jews) Lines: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1365 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1365 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 76.210.251.23 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr19.news.prodigy.net 1195083440 ST000 76.210.251.23 (Wed, 14 Nov 2007 18:37:20 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 18:37:20 EST Organization: AT&T http://yahoo.sbc.com X-UserInfo1: SCSYQNON_BRWSQDYZBCBNWX@RJ_XPDLMN@GZ_GYO^ZWZUYICD^RAQBKZQTZTX\_I[^G_KGFNON[ZOE_AZNVO^\XGGNTCIRPIJH[@RQKBXLRZ@CD^HKANYVW@RLGEZEJN@\_WZJBNZYYKVIOR]T]MNMG_Z[YVWSCH_Q[GPC_A@CARQVXDSDA^M]@DRVUM@RBM Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 18:35:18 -0500 "Philip Mathews" wrote in message news:1195013994.225293.221910@v3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com... > On Nov 13, 10:33 pm, "snow" wrote: >> "Philip Mathews" wrote in message >> >> news:1195008861.747523.40780@50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com... >> >> > On Nov 13, 4:02 pm, "snow" wrote: >> >> "It's all a bit strange" wrote in >> >> messagenews:Xns99E76A999B955TBAnoonecarescom@85.214.90.228... >> >> >> > So now szaki admits that there was a holocaust. >> >> >> Holocaust was originally used in English for a "burnt offering," >> >> > So what stupid! > >> > Lots of words used to be used to mean something else. > >> Would you mind giving some examples. > > The word "harlot" used to refer to a boy. harlot refers to a person who is 'free spirited' such as unemployed man or prostitute woman http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/harlot > > The word "counterfeit" once meant an original. http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/counterfeit http://www.thefreedictionary.com/counterfeit Dictionary says nothing about it meaning an original. > > The world "manufacture" once signified making by hand. Manufacture means 'to make' by hands or machinery (still means the same) > > The first of these is an example of pejoration, the last two examples > of semantic reversal. > > The change of word meanings in any language is a frequent occurrence. > Languages are living things. > > Not that I expect you to understand such a simple concept. > > -- > Philip Mathews > FORD could refer to Fix Or Repair Daily but it does not, neither does ZID or ZYD or ZHID which simply means Jew. Of course you can give the name ZID or ZYD or ZHID many acronyms you want but the official meaning is still Jew and your friend Jacobson is using it in wrong context and only is making a fool out of himself. It's obvious he had seen the word used in english written posts on soc.culture.polish or any other slavic newsgroup that is filled with that word, but he got the meaning wrong. As a matter of fact you could ask a Jewish person that came from europe (most likely Poland) or a Jewish person that practices Judaism, so instead of defending Jacobson and making a fool out of yourself, do a little research. From snowonweb@hotmail.com Thu Nov 15 22:48:43 EST 2007 Article: 1226163 of alt.revisionism Xref: sn-us alt.revisionism:1226163 Path: sn-us!sn-feed-sjc-01!sn-us!sn-feed-sjc-04!sn-xt-sjc-10!sn-xt-sjc-07!sn-xt-sjc-13!supernews.com!newshub.sdsu.edu!newscon04.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!newsdst01.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr19.news.prodigy.net.POSTED!584e53d9!not-for-mail From: "snow" Newsgroups: alt.revisionism References: Subject: Re: Pleas to rescue Jews in the Holocaust ignored by Zionist leaders (Rich Jews refuse to help their brothers and sisters, the poor Jews) Lines: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="windows-1250"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1365 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1365 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 76.210.251.23 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr19.news.prodigy.net 1195083602 ST000 76.210.251.23 (Wed, 14 Nov 2007 18:40:02 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 18:40:02 EST Organization: AT&T http://yahoo.sbc.com X-UserInfo1: SCSYQN_@OPTSC_TXMBND]_\@VR]^@B@MCPWZKB]MPXHDUWYAKVUOPCW[ML\JXUCKVFDYZKBMSFX^OMSAFNTINTDDMVW[X\THOPXZRVOCJTUTPC\_JSBVX\KAOTBAJBVMZTYAKMNLDI_MFDSSOLXINH__FS^\WQGHGI^C@E[A_CF\AQLDQ\BTMPLDFNVUQ_VM Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 18:38:00 -0500 "It's all a bit strange" wrote in message news:Xns99E7D9C5C9FDTBAnoonecarescom@85.214.90.228... > "snow" wrote in > news:Rjo_i.9705$RR6.1826@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net: > >> >> >> "It's all a bit strange" wrote in >> message news:Xns99E76A999B955TBAnoonecarescom@85.214.90.228... >>> "snow" wrote in >>> news:E4l_i.2927$sm1.643@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com: >>> >>>> http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/pleasignored.html >>>> Pleas to rescue Jews in the Holocaust >>>> ignored by Zionist leaders >>>> The following message about bombing concentration camps and >>>> railways, was an exhibit in the Kasztner libel case in Israel during >>>> the 1950's. It was sent by Rabbi Michael B. Weissmandel, an >>>> organizer for rescue activities operating in the quisling Nazi state >>>> of Slovakia. It provides shocking and disturbing evidence of how the >>>> Zionist leadership ignored the growing evidence of mass murder and >>>> crimes against humanity being perpetrated against Europe's Jews >>>> >>>> >>>> Here is the orginal letter from Rabbi Weissmandl: >>>> >>>> >>>> May 15th, 1944 - In a cave near Lublin, Poland. >>>> >>>> "Peace and Greetings. >>>> >>>> "We send you this special message to inform you that yesterday the >>>> Germans began the deportation of Jews from Hungary. It is the >>>> beginning of deportation of all the Hungarian Jews. >>>> >>>> "Every day, twelve thousand souls are being taken off. Four >>>> deportations of forty-five such train-loads move daily out of >>>> Hungary. Within twenty six days all that area will have been >>>> deported. >>>> >>>> "The deported ones go to Auschwitz to be put to death by cyanide >>>> gas. A great number are dead on arrival. The Germans allow a few >>>> of the strongest to stay alive. Those who are allowed to live are >>>> branded with a number burned into their arm and the Star of David >>>> burned into their chest. >>>> >>>> "Most of these privileged ones die within a month. Others take >>>> their place. >>>> >>>> "Those who go directly from the train to the gas chambers to be >>>> suffocated are not branded. They are completely consumed in the >>>> ovens and leave no evidence behind. These are 95% of each >>>> transport. >>>> >>>> "The dead bodies are burned in specially made ovens. Each oven >>>> burns 12 bodies an hour. In February there were 36 ovens burning. >>>> We have learned that more have been built. >>>> >>>> "Information supplied us by a few eyewitnesses reveals that in >>>> February there were four disposal buildings. We have learned that >>>> more have been built since then. >>>> >>>> "Formerly, the Germans killed and burned the Jews in the Forest of >>>> Birkenwald, near Auschwitz. Now the killing and burning take place >>>> in the buildings shown on the enclosed map. >>>> >>>> "In December, the Germans built special trains to transport the >>>> Jews of Hungary to their extermination. This is the schedule of >>>> Auschwitz, from yesterday to the end; twelve thousand Jews - men, >>>> women and children, old men, infants, healthy and sick ones - are >>>> to be suffocated daily and their bones and ashes are to be used to >>>> fertilize the German fields. >>>> >>>> "And you - our brothers in Palestine, in all the countries of >>>> freedom, and you, ministers of all the kingdom - how do you keep >>>> silent in the face of this great murder ? Silent while thousand on >>>> thousands, reaching now to six million Jews, were murdered. And >>>> silent now while tens of thousands are still being murdered and >>>> waiting to be murdered? Their destroyed hearts cry to you for help >>>> as they bewail your cruelty. Brutal you are and murderers too you >>>> are, because of the cold-bloodedness of the silence in which you >>>> watch. >>>> >>>> "Because you sit with folded arms and you do nothing, though you >>>> could stop or delay the murder of Jews at this very hour. >>>> >>>> "In the name of the blood of the thousands on thousands who have >>>> been murdered we beg, we plead, we cry out and demand that you >>>> take action, that you do deeds now - at once! >>>> >>>> "That the Ministers of Kingdoms and all the Lands raise a loud and >>>> piercing outcry that must enter the ears of the world, the ears of >>>> the German people, the ears of the Hungarian people. Let them cry >>>> out a warning to the German murderers. Let them proclaim that they >>>> know all that has been done in the past, and that which is still >>>> being done. And the Pope, himself, should join in this cry of >>>> outrage against the German murderers. >>>> >>>> "Let this outcry be heard over all the radios and read in all the >>>> newspapers of the world, that unless they stop at once the >>>> deportations of Hungary's Jews - then will Germany be forever >>>> exiled from civilization. >>>> >>>> "We ask that the crematoria in Auschwitz be bombed from the air. >>>> They are sharply visible, as shown on the enclosed map. >>>> >>>> "Such bombing will delay the work of the German murderers. >>>> >>>> "What is more important - to bomb persistently all the roads >>>> leading from Eastern Hungary to Poland and to bomb persistently >>>> the bridges in the neighborhood of Karpatarus. Drop all other >>>> business to get this done. Remember that one day of your idleness >>>> kills twelve thousand souls. >>>> >>>> "You, our brothers, sons of Israel, are you insane? Don't you know >>>> the Hell around us? For whom are you saving your money? >>>> >>>> "How is it that all our pleadings affect you less than the >>>> whimpering of a beggar standing in your doorway? Murderers! >>>> Madmen! Who is it that gives charity? You who toss a few pennies >>>> from your safe homes? Or we who give our blood in the depths of >>>> Hell? >>>> >>>> "There is only one thing that may be said in your exoneration - >>>> that you do not know the truth. This is possible. The villain does >>>> his job so shrewdly that only a few guess the truth. We have told >>>> you the truth several times. Is it possible that you believe our >>>> murderers more than you believe us? May God open your eyes and >>>> give you heart to rescue in these last hours the remainder. >>>> >>>> "Most important is that which I write about the bombing of the >>>> Auschwitz Crematoria and the bridges leading to them. >>>> >>>> "Such bombing can vitally delay the evil work of our slaughterers. >>>> And G-d who keeps alive the last remnant of Israel will show His >>>> mercy for which I pray. I pray as I write out of the sea of tears >>>> of the people of Israel. We await G-d's help. >>>> >>>> "One from the Market who witnesses the woes of his people" >>> >>> >>> >>> So now szaki admits that there was a holocaust. >> >> Holocaust was originally used in English for a "burnt offering," a >> "sacrifice completely consumed by fire" (Mark 12:33, "more than all >> whole burnt offerings and sacrifices" in the King James Version of the >> Bible, was translated by William Tyndale in 1526 as "a greater thing >> than all holocausts and sacrifices"). John Milton is the first English >> writer recorded as using it in the wider sense "complete destruction >> by fire," in the late 17th century, and succeeding centuries its >> modern application to "nuclear destruction" and "mass murder" - Bishop >> Ken, for instance, wrote in 1711 "Should general Flame this World >> consume ... An Holocaust for Fontal Sin," and Leitch Ritchie in 1833 >> refers to Louis VII making "a holocaust of thirteen hundred persons in >> a church." The specific application to the mass murder of the Jews by >> the Nazis during World War II was introduced by historians during the >> 1950s, probably as an equivalent to Hebrew ḥurban and shoah >> "catastrophe" (used in the same sense). >> >> >> hol·o·caust (plural hol·o·causts) >> >> noun >> Definition: >> >> 1. destruction of human life: wholesale or mass destruction, >> especially of human life >> a nuclear holocaust >> >> 2. complete destruction by fire: complete consumption by fire, >> especially of a large number of human beings or animals >> >> 3. burnt offering: a religious sacrifice that is totally consumed by >> fire >> >> [13th century. < Old French holocauste< Greek holokaustos "burned >> whole" < kaiein "burn"] >> >> > > So now szaki admits that there was a holocaust. > Are you really that dumb or you just write first and then think. Holocaust existed long before WW2 just as it states above and it means to be burned alive in most instances. I thought that the Jews were 'gassed' during WW2 and then cremated. From snowonweb@hotmail.com Thu Nov 15 22:48:44 EST 2007 Article: 1226165 of alt.revisionism Xref: sn-us alt.revisionism:1226165 Path: sn-us!sn-feed-sjc-02!sn-xt-sjc-11!sn-xt-sjc-09!sn-xt-sjc-12!supernews.com!nntp.csufresno.edu!tethys.csu.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!newscon04.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!newsdst01.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr19.news.prodigy.net.POSTED!584e53d9!not-for-mail From: "snow" Newsgroups: alt.revisionism References: <4oWdnVzNRMhUP6TanZ2dnUVZ_u6rnZ2d@giganews.com> <1195008701.142614.30900@v2g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> <1195013091.064241.278110@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Salzman and her gang of thieves and professional liars Lines: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1365 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1365 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 76.210.251.23 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr19.news.prodigy.net 1195083687 ST000 76.210.251.23 (Wed, 14 Nov 2007 18:41:27 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 18:41:27 EST Organization: AT&T http://yahoo.sbc.com X-UserInfo1: OX[SCW[DVBSSP_@YMZJ\_Q\@TJ_ZTB\MV@BJ]Q]KEYUNDQUCCNSUAACY@L[ZX__HGFD]JBJNSFXTOOGA_VWY^_HG@FW_HUTHOH]TBPGCO\P^PLP^@[GLHUK@WLECKFVL^TYG[@RMWQXIWM[SDDYWNLG_G[_BWUCHFY_Y@AS@Q[B\APPF@DCZM_PG_VSCPQZM Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 18:39:25 -0500 "Philip Mathews" wrote in message news:1195013091.064241.278110@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com... > On Nov 13, 10:32 pm, "snow" wrote: >> "Philip Mathews" wrote in message >> >> news:1195008701.142614.30900@v2g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Nov 13, 12:25 pm, "snow" wrote: >> >> "B'enjamin C'ramer" wrote in message >> >> >>news:4oWdnVzNRMhUP6TanZ2dnUVZ_u6rnZ2d@giganews.com... >> >> >> > Mikkel Andersson, information technology consultant Yale F. Edeiken, >> >> > attorney Richard J. Green, physical chemist Patrick J. Groff, >> >> > computer >> >> > scientist Ralf Loserth, computer scientist Andrew E. Mathis, scholar >> >> > of >> >> > English and American Literature Harry W. Mazal, chemist Jamie >> >> > McCarthy, >> >> > computer scientist Gord McFee, historian and scholar of German >> >> > History >> >> > and >> >> > Literature Danny Mittleman, associate professor of information >> >> > systems >> >> > Sara Salzman, Marketing Consultant John Zimmerman, associate >> >> > professor >> >> > of >> >> > accounting, business and economics >> >> >> Did they all fisted her at the same time or individually? >> >> > Is that English, stupid boy? >> >> > -- >> > Philip Mathews >> >> No, Yiddish!- Hide quoted text - > > Well, since you don't know English, I doubt you know Yiddish, Jew > hating fool. > > -- > Philip Mathews > That's where you are wrong shmato pierdolona From snowonweb@hotmail.com Thu Nov 15 22:48:44 EST 2007 Article: 1226167 of alt.revisionism Xref: sn-us alt.revisionism:1226167 Path: sn-us!sn-feed-sjc-02!sn-xt-sjc-11!sn-xt-sjc-07!sn-xt-sjc-12!supernews.com!nntp.csufresno.edu!tethys.csu.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!newscon04.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!newsdst01.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr19.news.prodigy.net.POSTED!584e53d9!not-for-mail From: "snow" Newsgroups: alt.revisionism References: <13jjt2cnrcgte7c@corp.supernews.com> Subject: Re: A bucket load of filth from the Salzman thing _ And it's permitted access to children _ For shame Lines: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="windows-1250"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1365 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1365 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 76.210.251.23 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr19.news.prodigy.net 1195083929 ST000 76.210.251.23 (Wed, 14 Nov 2007 18:45:29 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 18:45:29 EST Organization: AT&T http://yahoo.sbc.com X-UserInfo1: SCSYQNON_BRWSQDYZBCBNWX@RJ_XPDLMN@GZ_GYO^ZWZUYICD^RAQBKZQTZTX\_I[^G_KGFNON[ZOE_AZNVO^\XGGNTCIRPIJH[@RQKBXLRZ@CD^HKANYVW@RLGEZEJN@\_WZJBNZYYKVIOR]T]MNMG_Z[YVWSCH_Q[GPC_A@CARQVXDSDA^M]@DRVUM@RBM Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 18:43:28 -0500 "Kenneth McVay OBC" wrote in message news:13jjt2cnrcgte7c@corp.supernews.com... > In article , > snow wrote: > > [...] > >>This is disgusting such people should be imprisoned. Law prohibits such >>lewd >>public behaviour. >>What makes it more disgusting is the picture >>http://www.fpp.co.uk/ActionReport/AR25/images/Sara_Salzman.jpg > > What is disgusting about the picture, Scott? Triple chin, can't imagine how big are the love handles when they overflow on the chin, and the pelvis size must be also oversized. Although it is difficult to tell by looking at the picture but it looks like she requires two chairs to sit down. > > Leading Revisionist Scholar snow, it would be unfair, not to mention > inconsiderate, for anyone to label you as a liar without giving you > the opportunity to respond by supporting your specious assertions > with documentary evidence. > > Question 1: > > On July 25, 2007, you made two claims, to wit: > > 1. That no one was gassed at Auschwitz or Majdanek > 2. That the "gas chamber in aushwitz were build by russians after the > so called liberation." > > Please document your claims or retract them. > > Question 2: On July 26, 2007, you wrote: > > "I am still having a problem with the myth of gassing the jews." > > Please support your assertion with documentary evidence that homocidal > gassings are a "myth." > > Question 3: > > On July 26, 2007, you claimed that, "jews come out with awards so they > could award other jews and it is all based on how much you paid and to > whom and actually has very little to do with achievements." > > Please document these claims or retract them. > > Question 4: > > On July 29, 2007, you claimed, "...McVay in one of the threads stated > that 'if you question holocaust then you are automatically anti-Semite." > > Please provide an exact Google Groups link to any article in which > I made such a statement. > > Question 5: > > In article , > > you wrote: > > "In 1931 Stromberg v. California, the Jews defended Communists' free > speech > rights. Six decades later, in R. v. Keegstra, the Jews sued to prevent the > teaching of an alternative to the Exterminationist theory known as > "Revisionism" -- and won." > > Please provide documentary evidence that Mr. Keegstra was "sued by Jews" > as > you claim, and show how the Supreme Court of Canada lied when it said: > > Mr. James Keegstra was a high school teacher in Eckville, > Alberta, from the early 1970's until his dismissal in 1982. > In 1984, Mr. Keegstra was charged under s. 319(2) (then > 281.2(2)) of the Criminal Code with unlawfully promoting > hatred against an identifiable group by communicating > anti-Semitic statements to his students. He was convicted by > a jury in a trial before McKenzie J. of the Alberta Court of > Queen's Bench. > > Mr. Keegstra's teachings attributed various evil > qualities to Jews. He thus described Jews to his pupils as > ''treacherous'', ''subversive'', ''sadistic'', > ''money-loving'', ''power hungry'' and ''child killers''. He > taught his classes that Jewish people seek to destroy > Christianity and are responsible for depressions, anarchy, > chaos, wars and revolution. According to Mr. Keegstra, Jews > ''created the Holocaust to gain sympathy'' and, in contrast > to the open and honest Christians, were said to be > deceptive, secretive and inherently evil. Mr. Keegstra > expected his students to reproduce his teachings in class > and on exams. If they failed to do so, their marks suffered. > > Prior to his trial, Mr. Keegstra applied to the Court of > Queen's Bench in Alberta for an order quashing the charge on > a number of grounds, the primary one being that s. 319(2) of > the Criminal Code unjustifiably infringed his freedom of > expression as guaranteed by s. 2(b) of the Charter. Among > the other grounds of appeal was the allegation that the > defence of truth found in s. 319(3)(a) of the Code violates > the Charter's presumption of innocence. The application was > dismissed by Quigley J., and Mr. Keegstra was thereafter > tried and convicted. He then appealed his conviction to the > Alberta Court of Appeal, raising the same Charter issues. > The Court of Appeal unanimously accepted his argument, and > it is from this judgment that the Crown appeals. > > The Attorneys-General of Canada, Quebec, Ontario, > Manitoba and New Brunswick, the Canadian Jewish Congress, > Interamicus, the League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith, > Canada, and the Women's Legal Education and Action Fund > (L.E.A.F.) have intervened in this appeal in support of the > Crown. The Canadian Civil Liberties Association has > intervened in support of striking down the impugned > legislation. > > Question 6: > > In article , you wrote: > > "Why is it that most if not all Holocaust supporting articles are written > by > Jews or are sponsored by Jewish organization." > > Please prove your claim by providing data which supports it. List all > "Holocaust > supporting" articles and document the Jewish background of the authors. > > Question 7: > > On July 30, 2007, you wrote: > > "...it was actually American Jews that sold iron and oil to Nazi > Germany by using Sweden as a proxy since American jews couldn't > deal directly with Nazi Germany. > > "Sweden banks that financed it were run by Jews, as well as proxy > companies that were setup by jewish bank owners. Swedish people > didn't have a clue what was being done behind their backs." > > Please document these assertions, naming the "American Jews" > involved and the Swedish banks that were "setup by Jewish bank > owners." > > Question 8: > > On July 31, 2007, you asked, "Why is it that most if not all Holocaust > supporting > articles are written by Jews or are sponsored by Jewish organization." > > Please provide the data upon which you based these assertions. Include a > comprehensive list of "Holocaust supporting articles " and their > authors, > and show how each article is either written by a Jew or "sponsored by > Jewish organizations." > > Question 9: > > On August 1, 2007, you wrote, "[Wikipedia] is edited by members > who choose to exaggerate their own race or religion, and jews are > the forefront of such edits." > > Please document your claims - particularly the one about the Jews > being in the "forefront of such edits." > > Question 10: > > On August 5, 2007, you wrote: > >>Ken's website oMajdanek says 1.5 jews killed >>http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/camps/maidanek/ > > ...and... > >>KEN IS LYING!!! to put the holocaust in the best light so people would >>associate the word HOLOCAUST with the JEWS and WW2 so then JEWS could cash >>in on HOLOCAUST by producing books, interviews, movies (all are tools of >>propaganda) > > Let's visit http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/ and see what we > find, shall we? > > In http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/commission-07, we find the > Polish > Commission (notNizkor) saying, "The Polish-Soviet Extraordinary > Commission finds that during the four years the Majdanek Extermination > Camp was in existence the Hitlerite butchers, on thc direct orders of > their criminal government, exterminated by means of wholesalc shoincluding > Snyder, who > wrote, ""It is > estimated that 1.5 million inmates were gassed at Maidanek." > > (Snyder does NOT, the assertions of Leading Revisionist Scholar snow > notwithstanding, claim that all the victims were Jewish - that is, > he was lying - again.) > > The same article quotes Davidowitz (1,380,000 dead) and Sachar (500,000 > dead), while the > IFZ is quoted as saying that 50,000 *Jews* were murdered there. > > The Encyclopedia of the Holocaust is then cited, in a piece on Majdanek > written by > Lublin University's Zygmunt Mankowski, who wrote "close to 500,000 passed > through. Of those, according to current (1990) estimates, 360,000 died, > sixty percent from camp conditions, and forty percent from gassing, > hanging, > or being shot." > > Mankowski does not, contrary to your blather, claim that all the victims > were Jews. > > Now we get to the spot where NIZKOR says something, to wit: > > "I suspect it may be impossible to determine the numbers, but this article > (EoH) struck me as reasonable, if for no other reason its mention of the > transport records and the trials, plus the bibliographic data. I'd > appreciate it if someone would check the earlier sources cited to > determine > if any orignial source is offered, and get back to us." > >>KEN IS LYING!!! to put the holocaust in the bet light so people would >>associate the word HOLOCAUST with the JEWS and WW2 so then JEWS could cash >>in on HOLOCAUST by producing books, interviews, movies (all are tools of >>propaganda) > > Please retract your lies, Leading Revisionist Scholar snow, > now tha they have been exposed. > > Question 11: > > In article , on August 15, > 2007, you authored an article which claimed, quote, "Kenneth McVay a > pedophile and a child molester who molested his own daughter..." > > Please document when and where any of my children have > made such statements or admit you cannot. > > Question 12: > > In article , posted on > August 15, 2007, you made the following allegation: > > "NIZKOR's self appointed director Ken McVay involved in tax fraud." > > Document your allegation that I am involved in tax fraud, or retract it. > > If you believe that someone has committed such an offense, by all > means report to the federal authorites post haste. Not doing so is, > in and of itself, a crime. > > > > -- > The Nizkor Project - An electronic Holocaust educational resource > David Irving vrs. Deborah Lipstadt & Penguin Books Ltd: Judgment > http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/i/irving-david/judgment-00-00.html > http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/i/irving.david/libel.suit From snowonweb@hotmail.com Thu Nov 15 22:48:45 EST 2007 Article: 1226168 of alt.revisionism Xref: sn-us alt.revisionism:1226168 Path: sn-us!sn-feed-sjc-03!sn-us!sn-feed-sjc-02!sn-xt-sjc-11!sn-xt-sjc-09!sn-xt-sjc-13!supernews.com!newshub.sdsu.edu!newscon04.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!newsdst01.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr19.news.prodigy.net.POSTED!584e53d9!not-for-mail From: "snow" Newsgroups: alt.revisionism References: <13jjt4hl140h9ca@corp.supernews.com> Subject: Re: Salzman misuse of publicly funded law enforcement agents Lines: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="windows-1250"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1365 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1365 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 76.210.251.23 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr19.news.prodigy.net 1195083982 ST000 76.210.251.23 (Wed, 14 Nov 2007 18:46:22 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 18:46:22 EST Organization: AT&T http://yahoo.sbc.com X-UserInfo1: S[OGBVOGZZV[CFD[LZKJOPHAWB\^PBQLGPQRJVMHQAVTUZ]CLNTCPFK[WDXDHV[K^FCGJCJLPF_D_NCC@FUG^Q\DINVAXSLIFXYJSSCCALP@PB@\OS@BITWAH\CQZKJMMD^SJA^NXA\GVLSRBD^M_NW_F[YLVTWIGAXAQBOATKBBQRXECDFDMQ\DZFUE@\JM Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 18:44:20 -0500 "It's all a bit strange" wrote in message news:Xns99E7F1437F88DTBAnoonecarescom@85.214.90.228... > "B'enjamin C'ramer" wrote in news:YM- > dnSunVrRiDKfanZ2dnUVZ_s-pnZ2d@giganews.com: > >> Being a yid, deviant, bereft of decency, devoid of human values etc. I'm >> sure you get the picture, faigelah. > > Oh you mean being a zid. ROFL, exactly! From snowonweb@hotmail.com Thu Nov 15 22:48:45 EST 2007 Article: 1226179 of alt.revisionism Xref: sn-us alt.revisionism:1226179 Path: sn-us!sn-feed-sjc-03!sn-xt-sjc-11!sn-xt-sjc-09!sn-xt-sjc-12!supernews.com!nntp.csufresno.edu!tethys.csu.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!newscon04.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!newsdst01.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr19.news.prodigy.net.POSTED!584e53d9!not-for-mail From: "snow" Newsgroups: alt.revisionism References: Subject: Re: Ben Cramer shown to be the fool yet again Lines: 4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="windows-1250"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1365 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1365 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 76.210.251.23 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr19.news.prodigy.net 1195082523 ST000 76.210.251.23 (Wed, 14 Nov 2007 18:22:03 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 18:22:03 EST Organization: AT&T http://yahoo.sbc.com X-UserInfo1: SCSYQNON_BRWSQDYZBCBNWX@RJ_XPDLMN@GZ_GYO^ZWZUYICD^RAQBKZQTZTX\_I[^G_KGFNON[ZOE_AZNVO^\XGGNTCIRPIJH[@RQKBXLRZ@CD^HKANYVW@RLGEZEJN@\_WZJBNZYYKVIOR]T]MNMG_Z[YVWSCH_Q[GPC_A@CARQVXDSDA^M]@DRVUM@RBM Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 18:20:00 -0500 "Eugene Holman" wrote in message news:holman-4DDD99.07280014112007@oravannahka.helsinki.fi... > In article , > "snow" wrote: > >> "Eugene Holman" wrote in message >> news:holman-6A7CDF.21140313112007@oravannahka.helsinki.fi... >> > Cramer claims that the Kurds were gassed by the Iranians, despite all >> > evidence indicating that the Iraqis pulled off that one. Now we get >> > this >> > new evidence from the source himself: >> >> Never seen him claiming that Iranians are responsible for Kurds gassing. >> Could you be so kind and provide a link and statement where he claims the >> above. > > My pleasure. The posting below contains the claims he has made and a > detailed critique of them by me. Thank you, very informative post. All I see is that he provided this newsgroup with information that already existed and was researched. One must understand that the rules of fighting in that part of the world is different than what we as western countries expect. Use of chemical and biological weapons is more acceptable in that part of the world and Kurds have been harassed by Iranians, Iraqis and Turks. Even American government initially claimed (as seen below) that Iran was responsible for the mass gassing of Kurds until it was beneficiary to US government to focus the blame on Iraqis. At the time it was in the best interest of US Government to blame Iran because it was the US that sold chemical and biological weapons (known fact, stated below) to Iraq. Mr. Cramer is not wrong in saying that Iranians gassed Kurds as US government claimed it themselves, Just because American government and American media focused on Iraq gassing the Kurds, it is not incorrect to claim that Iran was responsible for gassing the Kurds. Now, the American media only focused on one instance for which they have photographs of dead Kurds with badly burnt bodies but these photographs do not show the person or persons responsible. > > Source: Message-ID: > Minor corrections in spelling and punctuation have been made. > > > Path: > g2news1.google.com!news4.google.com!out02a.usenetserver.com!news.usenetse > rver.com!in01.usenetserver.com!news.usenetserver.com!news.tele.dk!news.te > le.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!newsfeed1.funet.fi!ne > wsfeeds.funet.fi!news.helsinki.fi!c518-m3.eng.helsinki.fi!user > From: hol...@mappi.helsinki.fi (Eugene Holman) > Newsgroups: alt.revisionism > Subject: Adventures in Cramer-think (1) > Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 10:42:22 +0300 > Organization: University of Helsinki > Lines: 227 > Message-ID: > NNTP-Posting-Host: c518-m3.eng.helsinki.fi > X-Trace: oravannahka.helsinki.fi 1183189344 15467 128.214.90.198 (30 Jun > 2007 07:42:24 GMT) > X-Complaints-To: abuse@helsinki.fi > NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Jun 2007 07:42:24 GMT > User-Agent: NewsWatcher-X 2.2.3b2 > > PREAMBLE: Reader are asked to judge for themselves whether a person who > argues in the following manner should be taken seriously, or taken off to > an asylum. > > > FACT: The Kurdish city of Halabja in Iraq was subjected to a gas attack > between March 15 and March 19, 1988. The number of people who died in the > attack was at least several hundred and at most five thousand. Forensic > analysis of the victims has established that many were killed by a > "cocktail" of poison gasses, one of the ingredients of which was hydrogen > cyanide [http://www.terrorismcentral.com/Library/Teasers/ChemIraq.html]. > > BACKGROUND TO THE CONTROVERSY: > 1. Halabja is a city of divided loyalties. Located in Iraq but close to > the border with Iran, its overwhelmingly ethnic Kurdish population was > more sympathetic with Iran than with Iraq at the time of the attack. > During the war the control and administrtaion of the city had changed > several times between the two sides as it was alternatively captured and > then "liberated", only to be re-captured and "re-liberated" by the two > opposing armies. The town had recently been re-captured by the Iranians > at the time of the attack. > > 2. During the previous year Iraqi forces had destroyed many of the > villages and smaller towns in the vicinity of Halabja. Its population had > swollen to more than 110,000. Many of the refugees were young Kurdish men > who had deserted from the Iraqi army. > > 3. Numerous eyewitnesses to the March 1988 attack say that it was > perpetrated by low-flying aircraft on which the markings of the Iraqi air > force were clearly discernable. No eyewitnesses have claimed that the > aircraft had Iranian air force markings. The target was not the local > barracks, where the Iranian army, which had just captured the town, was > stationed, but rather a residential area. > [http://archive.peacemagazine.org/v19n2p17.htm]. > > 4. The specific targeting suggests it to have been an act of reprisal and > intimidation rather than a military attack. > > 5. Dr. Stephen Pelletiere, the CIA's former senior policy analyst for > Iraq, claimed in an article published on the op-ed page of the *New York > Times* in January, 2003, that contrary to the prevailing majority > opinion, the attack had been perpetrated by Iran, not Iraq. It was, he > argued, notan act of genocide or retribution, but an act of war > [http://foi.missouri.edu/polinfoprop/warcrime.html]. His supported his > argument by referring to classified intelligence available at the time, > according to which Iraq was not known to possess or to have ever used > hydrogen cyanide gas as a weapon, but hydrogen cyanide was shown to have > been used in the Halabja attack. Thus, Dr. Pelletiere concluded: > > Source: http://foi.missouri.edu/polinfoprop/warcrime.html > > > > "The condition of the dead Kurds' bodies, however, indicated they had > been killed with a blood agent Ð that is, a cyanide-based gas Ð which > Iran was known to use. The Iraqis, who are thought to have used mustard > gas in the battle, are not known to have possessed blood agents at the > time." > > > > There are thus four possible positions: > > The attack on Halabja was: > Qg: Iraqi and genocidal > Qm: Iraqi and military > Nm: Iranian and military > Ng: Iranian and genocidal > > The interpretation that is held by the United States government and many > human rights organizations, as well as supported by toxicologist Dr. > Christine Gosden, who has emerged as a major authority on the > toxicological study of the incident, is Qg "Iraqi and genocidal" > [http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/rls/18714.htm]. This has established itself > as the "mainstream" position in the public media and is the "default" or > "standard" view in discussions of the event. Dr. Pelletiere's view, Nm, > is its complete converse (N = -Q, g = -m), being held by a marginal > minority, many of them known to be conspiracy aficionados. > > The four possible positions can thus be reduced to the two actual ones: > > Qg = +Q+g: Iraqi and genocidal > Nm = -Q-g: not-Iraqi and not-genocidal, in other words "Iranian and > military". > > The basis for position Qg, which I shall call the "standard view", is: > > 1. eyewitness reports that the aircraft bore clearly discernable Iraqi > air force markings, > > 2. the specific target of the attack was a residential area, where ethnic > Kurdish deserters from the Iraqi army would have been staying rather than > the military barracks where the occupying Iranian soldiers were staying. > > The basis for position -Q-g, which I shall call the "dissenting view", > is: > > 1. the apparent contradiction between the fact that hygrogen cyanide gas > was used in the attack and CIA analyses, and US military intelligence > according to which Iraq was not known to possess or to ever to have used > hydrogen cyanide gas for chemical warfare. > > > ENTER BEN CRAMER : > > Reacting to a reference to the standard view when discussing another > issue, Cramer blurted out that it is an "absolute lie" and a "yid-created > urban legend" (Message-ID: > ). > > In support of the dissenting view, Cramer recommended viewing a > five-minute excerpt from a talk given by Dr. Pelletiere (mistakenly > identified in the video as Stephen Pelletierre [sic]) at > http://www.youtube.com:80/watch?v=N3hRaDye4zA. In this video Dr. > Pelletiere summarizes why he concludes that the attack was Iranian rather > than Iraqi, and "a tragedy of war" rather than genocidal as to its > nature. > > It boils down to the argument that intelligence sources indicated that > Iraq was not known to possess hydrogen cyanide gas at the time of the > attack, but that hydrogen cyanide gas was used in the attack. Since Iran > *was* known to possess hydrogen cyanide gas at the time, the attack, Dr. > Pelletiere concludes, could only have been perpetrated by Iran. > > Eyewitness testimony and all other evidence to the contrary is > overridden by the information in the CIA intelligence stream and the US > military intelligence report. > > When it was pointed out that one of the major experts on the attack and > its aftermath, Dr. Christine Gosden, has produced numerous studies > according to which the attack was indeed perpetuated by the Iraqi air > force, and that not a single gas, but a "cocktail" of poison gasses was > used to make it all the more difficult to find an effective antidote > [http://judiciary.senate.gov/oldsite/gosden.htm], Cramer dismissed the > argument outright: > > Source: Message-ID: > "This Gosden bloke wouldn't be a yid by any chance, would he?" > > When a photograph of Dr. Gosden was produced, Cramer's reaction was: > Source: Message-ID: > "It looks like a bloke and is most definitely a yid. Shifty eyes, huge > schnos and rodent-like features." > > According to Cramer: > > 1. The opinion of one little man, overrides all evidence to the > contrary. > > 2. American intelligence sources and analyses override all eyewitness and > other evidence at the site. > > 3. The standard view is thus an "absolute lie" and "yid created urban > legend" concocted and disseminated by a "yid bloke" deviously hiding > behind the innocent sounding female name and person of Dr. Christine > Gosden. > > People who do not accept his position are "deceitful and dishonest". > > What Cramer fails to understand is that his entire position is based on > the assumption that US intelligence was correct and comprehensive. > Hydrogen cyanide is easily acquire or produced. If a city has been > alternatively under the control of one side that has and uses it, and > another not known to have had or used it, it is entirely within the realm > of possibility that weapons caches and other information would have > fallen into the hands of the deprived side during the change of power. > > Japanese intelligence in early August, 1945, had no information that the > Americans had or had ever used atomic bombs. After the atomic bombings of > Hiroshima and Nagasaki, a Japanese Pelletiere could argue that the > attacks could not have been perpetrated by the Americans because their > intelligence sources indicated that the Americans were neither in > possession of or ever had used atomic bombs before. > > > NOW THE PAYOFF > > Now, what does all of this have to do with Holocaust denial? > > The patterns of argumentation that are illustrted above with respect to > Halabja are precisely the same ones that Cramer uses when trying to > debunk the Holocaust: > > 1. No evidence of an order from Hitler means no Holocaust, just as no > evidence that Iraq possessed hydrogen cyanide gas means no Iraqi > complicity in Halabja. > > 2. Eyewitness accounts that events did occur are dismissed and overridden > by the lack of the type of "solid" evidence of other kinds that he > regards as being necessary before an event can be demonstrated to have > actually taken place. Just as Cramer claims that there is no "solid" > evidence for the Holocaust, he would claim that there is no "solid" > evidence for Iraq being behind the Halabja attack. > > 3. The eyewitness testimony of the inhabitants of Halabja that they were > attacked by low-flying aircraft on which Iraqi air force markings were > clearly visible is as worthless to Cramer as evidence of anything as the > eyewitness testimony of people who saw Nazi Einsatzkommandos enter their > town, round up the local Jews, and kill them in the town square or at > specially prepared killing sites. Photographs or films of the events > documenting the events in question are routinely dismissed as propaganda > or fabrications. > > 4. Oncthe other hand, the testimony of a single messianic expert > overrides all of the "soft" evidence of other kinds gathered over the > years, no matter how logically flawed the expert's evidence may be. > Self-styled engineer Fred Leuchter's report of the chemical analysis of > chunks taken from gas chamber ruins supposedly establishes conclusively, > overriding all evidence to the contrary, that no gas chambers existed at > Auschwitz and thus that the Holocaust is a hoax, just as retired > intelligence officer and military history professor Dr. Stephen > Pelletiere's analysis of the intelligence flow from Iraq establishes, > equally conclusively and overriding all evidence to the contrary, that > Iraq could not have perpetrated the Halabja attack because there is no > evidence of its having possessed or ever having used hydrogen cyanide > gas. > > 5. The standard views are the result of lies concocted and spread by a > cabal of Jews. Just as Jews want to demonize Hitler by pushing their > "myth" that Nazi Germany aimed to exterminate the Jews of Europe, because > they constituted racial, economic, and political threats to the Aryan > peoples of the continent, another Jewish cabal, led by the deceptively > named Dr. Christine Gosden, a British academic, pushes the "yid-created > urban legend" and "absolute lie" that Iraq was behind the Halabja attack > in order to demonize Saddam Hussein by claiming that he wanted to test > his chemical gasses, thereby intimidating and practicing ethnic > cleansing on a disloyal element of his citizenry, the Kurds of Halabja. > > Mr. Cramer regards people who are unable to accept his views or the > thinking behind them as "narrow-minded", "pedantic", "dishonest", and > "deceitful". I leave it to the readers of this essay to come up with > appropriate adjectives to characterize Mr. Cramer's thinking. > > So ends our first adventure in Cramer-think. > > Eugene Holman > > > What was Cramer's reaction to this critique of his argumentation? > > Source: Message-ID: > > > > Methinks its about time Holman's dishonesty and deceit was broadcast a > little wider than this little group. > > > >> By the way, Iranians and Iraqis are both responsible for many Kurds >> deaths. > > Agreed. > > But all credible evidence indicates the infamous gassing of the Iraqi > Kurdish city of Halabja between March 15 and March 19, 1988 to have been > perpetrated by Iraq using a "cocktail" of lethal gasses. > > Regards, > Eugene Holman From snowonweb@hotmail.com Thu Nov 15 22:48:46 EST 2007 Article: 1226406 of alt.revisionism Xref: sn-us alt.revisionism:1226406 Path: sn-us!sn-feed-sjc-01!sn-xt-sjc-10!sn-xt-sjc-07!sn-xt-sjc-12!supernews.com!nntp.csufresno.edu!tethys.csu.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!newscon04.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!newsdst01.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com.POSTED!584e53d9!not-for-mail From: "snow" Newsgroups: alt.revisionism References: <5q2qluFts2idU1@mid.individual.net> Subject: Re: "hate Attack" exposed - Rabbi Stabbed Himself Lines: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="windows-1250"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1365 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1365 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 76.210.251.23 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com 1195139430 ST000 76.210.251.23 (Thu, 15 Nov 2007 10:10:30 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 10:10:30 EST Organization: AT&T http://yahoo.sbc.com X-UserInfo1: [[OGBVOGZZV[CFD[LZKJOPHAWB\^PBQLGPQRJWQHBATBTSUBYFWEAE[YJLYPIWKHTFCMZKVMB^[Z^DOBRVVMOSPFHNSYXVDIE@X\BUC@GTSX@DL^GKFFHQCCE\G[JJBMYDYIJCZM@AY]GNGPJD]YNNW\GSX^GSCKHA[]@CCB\[@LATPD\L@J\\PF]VR[QPJN Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 10:08:23 -0500 "Heinrich" wrote in message news:5q2qluFts2idU1@mid.individual.net... > French Jews are in uproar after it has emerged that Reform Rabbi Gabriel > Farhi, who was stabbed on January 3 in a much-denounced 'attack' which was > given worldwide publicity, in fact faked the stabbing. > > > The truth surfaced in a report this week by the weekly magazine Marianne, > which was then picked up by Le Figaro. The journal reported that police > officers investigating the stabbing said it is not clear whether Farhi was > actually stabbed by an unknown assailant, and they are not ruling out the > possibility that Farhi in fact stabbed himself. > > > The report stunned French Jewry, which for the past two years has been > vociferously protesting law enforcement agencies' failure to take > effective action against a large number of anti-Jewish attacks - from > Muslim immigrants, who the Jews pushed to be allowed into the country in > the first place. > > > "You can imagine what a destructive effect this affair could have on the > Jewish community," said one community leader, who asked to remain > anonymous. "For two years we have been screaming about the attacks against > us and the rise of anti-Semitism in France. If, God forbid, it turns out > that the stabbing was staged, not just Rabbi Farhi is in trouble, all the > Jews are in trouble. Who will take us seriously? And that is without even > mentioning the enormous shame caused by the thought that four former prime > ministers took the trouble to support the rabbi and the Jewish community. > What will we do now? Apologize to them?" > > > The Reform community is backing Farhi fully. When its executive board met > Monday night to elect a new president, all 18 members made a point of > shaking Farhi's hand and offering their support. "I assure you that if I > or my colleagues in the community had any doubts at all, we would not be > expressing our support," said Francis Lentschner, the newly elected > president. "There is no doubt that the affair has greatly hurt the > community, but I'm certain we'll get over it." > > > The rumors began to surface immediately after the attack, when police came > to investigate. "I've seen assaults and stabbings as part of my job, but I > must say that this was a rather strange stabbing," Marianne quoted the > officer who led the investigating team as saying. A few days later, the > doctor who examined Farhi submitted a report to the police in which he > wrote that "the wound does not match the rabbi's version of the assault." > > Just like several months ago some dumb Jew spray painted a swastika on his door and then tried to say it was a hate crime but later admitted he did it himself. From snowonweb@hotmail.com Thu Nov 15 22:48:47 EST 2007 Article: 1226407 of alt.revisionism Xref: sn-us alt.politics.republicans:1203031 alt.politics.usa.republican:2828331 alt.revisionism:1226407 alt.conspiracy:1291283 Path: sn-us!sn-feed-sjc-01!sn-xt-sjc-10!sn-xt-sjc-01!sn-xt-sjc-13!supernews.com!newshub.sdsu.edu!newscon04.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!newsdst01.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com.POSTED!584e53d9!not-for-mail From: "snow" Newsgroups: alt.politics.republicans,alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.revisionism,alt.conspiracy References: <473aa093.1528897738@news.isomedia.com> <20071114211824.5bb2c32b@suddenlink.net> Subject: Re: JEW PSYCHOS CUT OFF MAN'S HEAD FOR FUN Lines: 4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1365 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1365 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 76.210.251.23 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com 1195139528 ST000 76.210.251.23 (Thu, 15 Nov 2007 10:12:08 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 10:12:08 EST Organization: AT&T http://yahoo.sbc.com X-UserInfo1: [[OGBVOGZZV[CFD[LZKJOPHAWB\^PBQLGPQRJWQHBATBTSUBYFWEAE[YJLYPIWKHTFCMZKVMB^[Z^DOBRVVMOSPFHNSYXVDIE@X\BUC@GTSX@DL^GKFFHQCCE\G[JJBMYDYIJCZM@AY]GNGPJD]YNNW\GSX^GSCKHA[]@CCB\[@LATPD\L@J\\PF]VR[QPJN Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 10:10:01 -0500 "127.0.0.1" <127.0.0.1@127.0.0.1> wrote in message news:20071114211824.5bb2c32b@suddenlink.net... > On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 07:15:34 GMT > jazzerciser@hotmail.com (-) wrote: > >> >> http://www.halturnershow.com/ >> >> JEW PSYCHOS ! >> >> CUT OFF MAN'S HEAD FOR FUN >> USED BLOW TORCH ON VICTIM'S BODY, THREW HEAD IN RIVER ! >> >> Once again "God's Chosen" turn out to be anything but ! >> > > You would think a "BEHEADING" taking place on American soil would be > major headline news - Since the perps are Jews this story will remain > buried by their ilk that control the media. Imagine if Arabs beheaded > someone in America? The story would be running 24/7. Well, Muslims don't own American media, but if they did I am sure the story would be running 24/7 From snowonweb@hotmail.com Thu Nov 15 22:48:47 EST 2007 Article: 1226408 of alt.revisionism Xref: sn-us alt.revisionism:1226408 soc.history.what-if:735769 alt.politics.reform:226807 soc.culture.usa:2057894 alt.astrology:683166 Path: sn-us!sn-feed-sjc-01!sn-us!sn-feed-sjc-04!sn-xt-sjc-10!sn-xt-sjc-01!sn-xt-sjc-13!supernews.com!newshub.sdsu.edu!newscon04.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!newsdst01.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com.POSTED!584e53d9!not-for-mail From: "snow" Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.history.what-if,alt.politics.reform,soc.culture.usa,alt.astrology References: <7677e7d9-b686-4ca8-b8c1-58716ea41478@f13g2000hsa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: United States Was REALLY Born On NOVEMBER 15, 1777 Lines: 4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1365 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1365 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 76.210.251.23 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com 1195139661 ST000 76.210.251.23 (Thu, 15 Nov 2007 10:14:21 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 10:14:21 EST Organization: AT&T http://yahoo.sbc.com X-UserInfo1: [[OGBVOGZZV[CFD[LZKJOPHAWB\^PBQLGPQRJWQHBATBTSUBYFWEAE[YJLYPIWKHTFCMZKVMB^[Z^DOBRVVMOSPFHNSYXVDIE@X\BUC@GTSX@DL^GKFFHQCCE\G[JJBMYDYIJCZM@AY]GNGPJD]YNNW\GSX^GSCKHA[]@CCB\[@LATPD\L@J\\PF]VR[QPJN Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 10:12:14 -0500 wrote in message news:7677e7d9-b686-4ca8-b8c1-58716ea41478@f13g2000hsa.googlegroups.com... > 7> > United States REALLY Born NOVEMBER 15, 1777 > > Most people have been led to believe that the > United States was born on July 4, 1776, when the > Declaration of Independence was signed. But the > Declaration of Independence did NOT create a "union" of > any kind. It created THIRTEEN INDEPENDENT COLONIES, > independent from Great Britain AND INDEPENDENT FROM EACH > OTHER. > > What DID create the United States was the signing > of the ARTICLES OF CONFEDERATION. And this occurred in > YORKTOWN, PENNSYLVANIA on NOVEMBER 15, 1777. > > And THAT is the date that must also be used for > CORRECT Astrological considerations of the birth of the > United States. > > NOVEMBER 15TH should have been made a NATIONAL > HOLIDAY, INSTEAD of the RELIGIOUS holiday of > "Thanksgiving". > > Robert E. McElwaine > http://members.aol.com/rem547 PLUS > http://members.aol.com/rem460 > Preserve BOTH on CD-R and PRINT-OUTS > ALSO http://www.geocities.com/remspiral7/ > > P.S.: PASS IT ON ! > > > "EVERYTHING you know is WRONG." > "The Truth IS STRANGER than fiction." > "The Truth is ALWAYS the FIRST CASUALTY OF WAR." > "OFFICIAL LIES are ALWAYS the BIGGEST LIES OF ALL." > "The more things change, the more they STAY THE SAME." >> American history is full of misrepresenting and twisting facts to suit political agenda. From snowonweb@hotmail.com Thu Nov 15 22:48:47 EST 2007 Article: 1226409 of alt.revisionism Xref: sn-us alt.revisionism:1226409 Path: sn-us!sn-feed-sjc-01!sn-xt-sjc-10!sn-xt-sjc-07!sn-xt-sjc-14!supernews.com!newsfeed.news2me.com!newshub.sdsu.edu!newscon04.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!newsdst01.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com.POSTED!584e53d9!not-for-mail From: "snow" Newsgroups: alt.revisionism References: <1195078225.970880.121050@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com> <1195082904.391942.123200@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Are revisionists anti-semetic? Lines: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1365 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1365 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 76.210.251.23 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com 1195139816 ST000 76.210.251.23 (Thu, 15 Nov 2007 10:16:56 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 10:16:56 EST Organization: AT&T http://yahoo.sbc.com X-UserInfo1: [[PGG[GGGZUUB\H]]RKB_UDAZZ\DPCPDLXUNNHXIJYWZUYICD^RAQBKZQTZTX\_I[^G_KGFNON[ZOE_AZNVO^\XGGNTCIRPIJH[@RQKBXLRZ@CD^HKANYVW@RLGEZEJN@\_WZJBNZYYKVIOR]T]MNMG_Z[YVWSCH_Q[GPC_A@CARQVXDSDA^M]@DRVUM@RBM Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 10:14:49 -0500 "perfumeTheMovie" wrote in message news:1195082904.391942.123200@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com... > On Nov 14, 5:47 pm, RJ11 wrote: >> "Yids are lice laddie" -- "Ben Cramer", Message-ID >> . >> >> "Hitler should've finish your tribe off a long time ago, >> bastards." -- Julius Szakacs ("Protagonist/Szaki"), Message-ID: >> . >> >> "You think like a fucking Jew stink like a fucking Jew and lie >> like a fucking Jew I can not find any other word for you this is >> the image as the world sees you." -- Kurt Knoll, Message-ID: >> . >> >> RJ. > > They may have been referring to zionists and the perpetrators of what > they perceive to be a hoax in which case their anger is justified. > Their speech is politically incorrect in any case. > The Real Motive Behind 'Dept Of Global Anti-Semitism' By Rev. Ted 8-25-5 On October 16, 2004 President Bush signed into law the Global Anti-Semitism Review Act. It establishes a special department within the U.S. State Department to monitor global anti-Semitism, reporting annually to Congress. This is more "Hate Crimes" legislation, orchestrated by the international Jewish religious, educational, and fraternal organization, B'nai B'rith, and its Anti-Defamation League. The new "Department of Global Anti-Semitism" is designed to make critics of Israel not only into "anti-Semites" but ultimately into "domestic terrorists." But first, what is anti-Semitism? Simple: It is the racist belief that Jews, because of heredity, are evil, greedy, corrupting, subversive, degenerate, etc. Hitler believed this. So do the KKK and certain "Christian identity" and white supremacist groups. Such dehumanization of Jews is evil, un-Christian, un-American. On the other hand, if the actions of individual Jews, Jewish institutions, Jewish religious or secular leaders, or the nation Israel have been evil, then vehement criticism is not anti-Semitic. It is courageous and laudable. Certainly, the Biblical prophets, including Christ, engaged in vitriolic criticism of the sinful nation Israel and its false leaders. No one considers them anti-Semitic. TWISTED DEFINITIONS OF "ANTI-SEMITISM" However, in its "Report on Global Anti-Semitism" and "Global Anti-Semitism Report," the U.S. State Department ignores the above perspectives. Here is a list of beliefs or activities the U.S. government now considers anti-Semitic: 1. Any assertion "that the Jewish community controls government, the media, international business and the financial world" is anti-Semitic. 2. "Strong anti-Israel sentiment" is anti-Semitic. 3. "Virulent criticism" of Israel's leaders, past or present, is anti-Semitic. According to the State Department, anti-Semitism occurs when a swastika is portrayed in a cartoon decrying the behavior of a past or present Zionist leader. Thus, a cartoon that includes a swastika to criticize Ariel Sharon's brutal 2002 invasion of the West Bank, raining "hell-fire" missiles on hapless Palestinian men, women and children, is anti-Semitic. Similarly, when the word "Zionazi" is used to describe Sharon's saturation bombing in Lebanon in 1982 (killing 17,500 innocent refugees), it is also "anti-Semitic." 4. Criticism of the Jewish religion or its religious leaders or literature (especially the Talmud and Kabbalah) is anti-Semitic. 5. Criticism of the U.S. government and Congress for being under undue influence by the Jewish-Zionist community (including AIPAC) is anti-Semitic. 6. Criticism of the Jewish-Zionist community for promoting globalism (the "New World Order") is anti-Semitic. 7. Blaming Jewish leaders and their followers for inciting the Roman crucifixion of Christ is anti-Semitic. 8. Diminishing the "six million" figure of Holocaust victims is anti-Semitic. 9. Calling Israel a "racist" state is anti-Semitic. 10. Asserting that there exists a "Zionist Conspiracy" is anti-Semitic. 11. Claiming that Jews and their leaders created the Bolshevik Revolution in Russia is anti-Semitic. 12. Making "derogatory statements about Jewish persons" is anti-Semitic. 13. Denying spiritually disobedient Jews the biblical right to re-occupy Palestine is anti-Semitic. 14. Alleging that Mossad was behind the 9/11 attack is anti-Semitic. ANTI-SEMITISM IS A "HATE CRIME" In the Global Anti-Semitism Report, State Department spokespersons Ambassador Edward O'Donnell and the head of the office of global anti-Semitism, Ambassador Michael B. Kozak, defend the State Department's definitions. O'Donnell's statement that he wants to "end all anti-Semitism and other hate crimes" reveals that he considers anti-Semitism a hate crime. Presumably, he would like such a "crime" to be punished. These State Department reports repeatedly equate "strong, anti-Israel sentiment" and criticism of matters Jewish with "hate." They give no recognition to the possibility that such criticism might be sincerely motivated not by hate but by moral indignation or even love for the Jewish people. The Report on Global Anti-Semitism repeatedly calls for passage, both nationally and internationally, of "hate crime" legislation. These laws, the brainchild of B'nai B'rith/ADL, also have as their ultimate goal making it a "hate crime" to criticize Jews, matters Jewish, or the state of Israel. The Report on Global Anti-Semitism reeks with B'nai B'rith/ADL logic, phraseology, and evidence of their incredible worldwide organizational and statistic-gathering capacities. It contains thirty-three pages of minute documentation of "anti-Semitic incidents" in fifty-eight countries of the world, documentation which only B'nai B'rith/ADL, with its offices in more than fifty countries, could compile or even be that vitally interested in. Without a doubt, as with hate laws, this Global Anti-Semitism Review Act is their creation. CRITICISM-FREE ZONE FOR JEWS Thus, the Department of Anti-Semitism, applauded and advised by B'nai B'rith/ADL, is working to create a worldwide "criticism-free zone" for Jews in the "New World Order" that is coming. This report ignores whether criticisms of matters Jewish are true. What must be defended are the sensitivities of the Jewish people! Consequently, relating such unflattering realities as the anti-Christian, anti-Gentile contents of the Talmud and Kabbalah, Jewish origins of bolshevism, Jewish dominance of Hollywood and the media, Jewish control of Congress through AIPAC, Zionist atrocities and abrasiveness in the Middle East is anti-Semitic. It is "hate." It does not matter that such facts can be easily and extensively documented, often from impeccable Jewish sources such as the Encyclopedia Judaica. All such anti-Semitism, this report says, is a "scourge," an "intolerable burden," which "for an increasingly interdependent worldmust be ended." On the other hand, according to the U.S. State Department, there does exist some possibility that "objective criticism" of Israel and its leaders can be tolerated - that is, just as long as such criticism does not "cross the line" and become "strong anti-Israel sentiment" and "virulent." Such criticism should not "demonize" Jews, Jewish religious or political leaders, or the state of Israel. However, what may be considered "virulence" or "demonization" by Zionists may be seen as nothing more than salty truth-telling by critics of Israel. Hypocritically, the State Department itself is not above "demonizing" strong critics of Israel in the most "virulent" terms as a "plague" and "scourge" on mankind! TURNING "ANTI-SEMITISM" INTO "DOMESTIC TERRORISM" The State Department's twisted definition of anti-Semitism provides exponential opportunities to persecute Bible-believing Christians, anti-war activists, Moslems, as well as publishers and broadcasters in the years ahead. In fact, by turning "strong" criticism of the American/Zionist coalition into "anti-Semitism and other hate crimes," the State Department opens the door to eventual characterization of those who criticize Israel as not only anti-Semites but also as "domestic terrorists." Here's how it can be done: Today, those who raise funds in America to support America's and Israel's terrorist enemies are arrested as "domestic terrorists." But what if articulate Americans provided something else, potentially even more valuable to Israel's enemies: "strong criticism" of Israel? Such could weaken Israel morally in the sight of the world, giving justification to the claims of her terrorist enemies. Should they also be punished? As the Second World War was beginning in 1939, Charles Lindberg was publicly critical of international Jews for inveigling America into a war to destroy Hitler. Lindberg believed that Hitler should be allowed to do what he wanted to do most, move east and destroy "Jewish Communism" in Russia. In 1944, 30 Americans, who agreed with Lindberg, were arrested for the crime of "sedition," weakening America's resolve in the fight against fascism. Later investigation under the Freedom of Information Act revealed that the ADL, attempting to equate criticism of international Jews with Nazism, had entirely created the FBI case. Records revealed that the ADL was "only warming up" by pursuing sedition convictions against 30 innocent Americans. Their ultimate ambition was to imprison prominent critics of evil Jewish leadership, especially Charles Lindberg. Fortunately, ADL's attempt to transform 30 critics of international Jews into "Nazis" failed when the judge died and the case was dissolved. Today, America and Israel are allies in the "war on terror." Tomorrow, especially if the war on terror intensifies and America and Israel cooperate even more closely, criticism of America's ally in the war on terrorism may be construed as "aiding and abetting the enemy." Such "strong criticism" or anti-Semitism may be seen as not only weakening Israel, but America itself. Turning millions of Americans into anti-Semites for criticizing Israel is thus a transition toward ADL's ultimate goal: making such persons "enemies of the war on terror," i.e., "domestic terrorists." They then can be prosecuted under Homeland Security laws. CANADA: ALREADY MAKING "ANTI-SEMITES" INTO "DOMESTIC TERRORISTS" In Canada, we are seeing exactly this happen. Ernst Zundel is a Holocaust revisionist who doubts that a full six million Jews were deliberately murdered by the Nazis, largely by gassing. He asserts that untold numbers of Jews in German internment camps, especially in the last years of the war, died not in gas chambers, but as a result of massive, well-documented typhus epidemics, which also killed countless Poles, Gypsies, Russians, etc. Yet in Canada, thanks to ADL/B'nai B'rith, it is a "hate crime" to lesson to any degree the six million figure of Holocaust dead, or that most of them died in gas chambers. Such diminishment is anti-Semitism, a "hate crime" punishable by harsh fines and imprisonment. Several years ago Zundel was deported from his home in Tennessee back to Canada to spend more than two years in solitary confinement in a Canadian prison. He was then deported back to his native Germany where he remains in prison. Under what charge have Canadian authorities been holding him? You guessed it. He is a "terrorist threat!" So it will be for millions of Americans tomorrow if ADL/B'nai B'rith have their way and the Department of Anti-Semitism's twisted definitions of anti-Semitism are allowed to stand. The Department of Global Anti-Semitism is informing the world who the "domestic terrorists" of tomorrow will be. They are you and I. WHAT CAN WE DO? We can do plenty! Call our members of Congress toll-free at 1-877-762-8762 Call the U.S. State Department comment line at 1-202-647-4000 Demand that all funding and authority for the development of the Department of Anti-Semitism be rescinded. Demand that Congressional hearings be held to re-formulate a workable, balanced definition of "anti-Semitism" - one that protects Bible-believing Christians, critics of Israel, and Moslems from persecution as "anti-Semites." Also, call into talk shows, especially large, syndicated ones. Since the threat of hate laws is "taboo" on most large shows, do not tell the talk show operator that you want to comment on that subject. If the topic of the day is even remotely related to the issue of free speech, terrorism, the Mid-East, etc., begin with those topics but quickly move the discussion to the threat of hate laws. Describe how free speech is lost in Canada; how eleven Christians were arrested under Pennsylvania's hate law; how the "Department of Anti-semitism" would make many Americans into anti-semites. From snowonweb@hotmail.com Thu Nov 15 22:48:48 EST 2007 Article: 1226412 of alt.revisionism Xref: sn-us alt.revisionism:1226412 Path: sn-us!sn-feed-sjc-02!sn-xt-sjc-11!sn-xt-sjc-09!sn-xt-sjc-13!supernews.com!newshub.sdsu.edu!newscon04.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!newsdst01.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com.POSTED!584e53d9!not-for-mail From: "snow" Newsgroups: alt.revisionism References: Subject: Re: Some questions for gas chamber skeptics Lines: 7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="windows-1250"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1365 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1365 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 76.210.251.23 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com 1195140385 ST000 76.210.251.23 (Thu, 15 Nov 2007 10:26:25 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 10:26:25 EST Organization: AT&T http://yahoo.sbc.com X-UserInfo1: [[PAPDCAOPTSC_TXMBND]_\@VR]^@B@MCPWZKB]MPXH@ETUCCNSKQFCY@TXDX_WHSVB]ZEJLSNY\^J[CUVSA_QLFC^RQHUPH[P[NRWCCMLSNPOD_ESALHUK@TDFUZHBLJ\XGKL^NXA\EVHSP[D_C^B_^JCX^W]CHBAX]POG@SSAZQ\LE[DCNMUPG_VSC@VJM Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 10:24:18 -0500 wrote in message news:LoudnX54tuqLC6banZ2dnUVZ_veinZ2d@comcast.com... > > "snow" wrote in message > news:r4L_i.9482$ww2.780@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net... >> >> >> "It's all a bit strange" wrote in >> message news:Xns99E810B8B1D68TBAnoonecarescom@85.214.90.228... >>> "B'enjamin C'ramer" wrote in >>> news:pK6dneROZaAIIqfanZ2dnUVZ_hudnZ2d@giganews.com: >>> >>>>> Flattery will get you nowhere. If you have some objections to what I >>>>> posetd, state them explicitly and give an alternative. >>>> >>>> "Pposetd?" Are you taking lessons in stupdidity from the cohen clown? >>> >>> look at this shmeggegie, while doing a spelling flame he makes a >>> spelling >>> error. LOL but zids are sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo stupid. >> >> I agree, Zid are so stupid, they think mass public buys their stories >> about death camps and mass extermination, > > It's historians who write the history, stupid boy. > > That makes you look like out of touch nitwit! > > -- > Philip Mathews > You missed the point (as usual). The issue is, Are there simpler, more efficient and less expensive way to exterminate human beings? From snowonweb@hotmail.com Thu Nov 15 22:48:48 EST 2007 Article: 1226415 of alt.revisionism Xref: sn-us alt.revisionism:1226415 Path: sn-us!sn-feed-sjc-02!sn-xt-sjc-11!sn-xt-sjc-08!sn-xt-sjc-12!supernews.com!nntp.csufresno.edu!tethys.csu.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!newscon04.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!newsdst01.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com.POSTED!584e53d9!not-for-mail From: "snow" Newsgroups: alt.revisionism References: <20071114222057.0709554a@suddenlink.net> Subject: Re: Some questions for gas chamber skeptics Lines: 5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="windows-1250"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1365 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1365 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 76.210.251.23 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com 1195141279 ST000 76.210.251.23 (Thu, 15 Nov 2007 10:41:19 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 10:41:19 EST Organization: AT&T http://yahoo.sbc.com X-UserInfo1: [[PGG[GGGZUUB\H]]RKB_UDAZZ\DPCPDLXUNNHXIJYWZUYICD^RAQBKZQTZTX\_I[^G_KGFNON[ZOE_AZNVO^\XGGNTCIRPIJH[@RQKBXLRZ@CD^HKANYVW@RLGEZEJN@\_WZJBNZYYKVIOR]T]MNMG_Z[YVWSCH_Q[GPC_A@CARQVXDSDA^M]@DRVUM@RBM Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 10:39:08 -0500 "Eugene Holman" wrote in message news:holman-FD58D5.10131815112007@oravannahka.helsinki.fi... > In article <20071114222057.0709554a@suddenlink.net>, > "127.0.0.1" <127.0.0.1@127.0.0.1> wrote: > >> On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 11:15:56 +0200 >> Eugene Holman wrote: >> >> >> > Would you care to elaborate? Leuchter used an American execution gas >> > chamber as his archetype, I used fatal gassing accidents. In other >> > words, he assumed hi-tech, I assume low-tech. >> >> Your logic is flawed - The problem, No ONE, Jew or Nazi testified to >> your imaginary use of homicidal gas chambers. > > Testimony given by a Nazi, Rudolf Hoss, as an expert witness at the trial > of RSHA head Ernst Kaltenbrunner on April 15, 1946. > > Source: > http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/nuremberg/hoesstest.html > > > > DR. KAUFFMANN: And after the arrival of the transports were the victims > stripped of everything they had? Did they have to undress completely; > did they have to surrender their valuables? Is that true? > HOESS: Yes. > DR. KAUFFMANN: And then they immediately went to their death? > HOESS: Yes. > DR. KAUFFMANN: I ask you, according to your knowledge, did these people > know what was in store for them? > HOESS: The majority of them did not, for steps were taken to keep them > in doubt about it and suspicion would not arise that they were to go to > their death. For instance, all doors and all walls bore inscriptions to > the effect that they were going to undergo a delousing operation or take > a shower. This was made known in several languages to the internees by > other internees who had come in with earlier transports and who were > being used as auxiliary crews during the whole action. > DR. KAUFFMANN: And then, you told me the other day, that death by > gassing set in within a period of 3 to 15 minutes. Is that correct? > HOESS: Yes. > DR. KAUFFMANN: You also told me that even before death finally set in, > the victims fell into a state of unconsciousness? > HOESS: Yes. From what I was able to find out myself or from what was > told me by medical officers, the time necessary for reaching > unconsciousness or death varied according to the temperature and the > number of people present in the chambers. Loss of consciousness took > place within a few seconds or a few minutes. > > These questions sound like leading questions to which Hoess only answered Yes or No. All of them are preloaded with answer. This is known sales tactic to give leading questions. Now the Hoess answers yes to most of them perhaps because he was under the impression that if he cooperates his sentence will be less severe. There are also reports that he was tortured and the confession was beaten out of him. Why aren't the judges or prosecutors allowing him to describe the events on his own without giving him the leads. The whole Nuremburg trial was just a show trial because the allies (victors) knew they were going to punish Nazis but because they were obligated to do it in democratic,, humane way, they put up a show trial for the public, because either way the losers (Nazis) would get punished, trial or not. > > Deposition given by a Jew, Henryk Tauber, a former member of the > Auschwitz Sonderkommando, on 24th May 1945, at Cracow to Jan Sehn, > examining judge, member of the Central Commission for the Investigation > of Hitlerite Crimes in Poland. > > Source: > http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/pressac/technique-and-operatio > n/pressac0483.shtml > > > > On 4th March 1943. we were taken under SS guard to Krematorium II. The > construction of this crematorium was explained to us by Capo [Julius] > August [Bruck. See Document 8], who had just arrived from Buchenwald > where he had also been working in the crematorium. Krematorium II had a > basement where there was an undressing room (Auskleideraum) [2 -- see > Document 9] and a bunker, or in other words a gas chamber (Leichenkeller > / corpse cellar) [1]. To go from one cellar to the other, there was a > corridor [3] in which there came from the exterior a [double] stairway > [4, 4'] and a slide for throwing the bodies [corpse chute, 5] that were > brought to the camp to be incinerated in the crematorium. People went > through the door of the undressing room [2a] into the corridor [3], then > from there through a door on the right [la] into the gas chamber [1]. A > second stairway [6] running from the grounds [north yard] of the > crematorium gave access to the corridor [3]. To the left of this > stairway, in the comer [of the corridor], there was a little room [7] > where hair, spectacles and other effects were stored. On the right there > was another small room [8] used as a store for cans of Zyklon-B [here, > the description could lead to confusion. It should be borne in mind that > Tauber is describing the disposition of rooms 7 and 8 as they appear to > somebody in the basement]. In the right corner of the corridor, on the > wall facing the door from the undressing room, there was a lift [9] to > transport the corpses [to the furnace roots on the ground floor]. People > went front the crematorium yard to the undressing room via a stairway > [10], surrounded by iron rails. Over the [entrance] door there was a > sign with the inscription "Zum Baden und Desinfektion," (to bath and > disinfection), written in several languages. In the undressing room [2], > there were wooden benches and numbered clothes hooks along the walls > [Document 10]. There were no windows and the lights were on all the > time. The undressing room also had water taps [5] and drains for the > waste water. From the undressing room people went into the corridor > through a door [2a] above which was hung a sign marked "Zum Bade" [to > the bath], repeated in several languages. I remember the word "banya" > [Russian for "steam bath"] was there too. From the corridor they went > through the door on the right [1a] into the gas chamber. It was a wooden > door, made of two layers of short pieces of wood arranged like parquet. > Between these layers there was a single sheet of material sealing the > edges of the door [3] and the rabbets of the frame were also fitted with > sealing strips of felt. At about head height for an average man this > door had a round glass peephole [see Document 11]. On the other side of > the door, i.e. on the gas chamber side, this opening was protected by a > hemispherical grid [see Documents 12 and 13]. This grid was fitted > because the people in the gas chamber, feeling they were going to die, > used to break the glass of the peep-hole. But the grid still did not > provide sufficient protection and similar incidents recurred. The > opening was blocked with a piece of metal or wood. The people going to > be gassed and those in the gas chamber damaged the electrical > installations, tearing the cables out and damaging the ventilation > equipment. The door was closed hermetically from the corridor side by > means of [two] iron bars (see Document 11] which were screwed tight [by > means of two angled bolts which screwed through the catches onto the > bars, which were themselves fitted with handles]. > > > > >> Leuchter went into this believing that Jews were gassed (His Words) > > He went into it believing that Jews were gassed in something resembling > an American execution gas chamber following the procedures and norms > used in American penal executions by gas. > >> Like many people, he believed the Jewish version of WW-ll > > There is no "Jewish version of WW-II. There are various versions of WW > II written by historians, pseudo-historians, propagandists, soldiers, > victims, other participants, film-script writers, and novelists. > Virtually all of them are in agreement that one of the defining features > of WW II was the Nazi ideology-based policy of killing the deformed, the > terminally ill, Jews, Gypsies, homosexuals, pacifists, political > opponents, and other people defined by them as being racially or > politically undesirable. According to all available evidence, the Jews > were the largest of the groups targeted by the Nazis for extermination > and they suffered the most losses. > >> without >> question until Roth sent his samples back with little to no hcn >> exposure. > > Samples that were improperly taken, diluted twice by several orders of > magnitude, but nevertheless showed clear evidence of exposure to lethal > concentrations of cyanide even after more than forty years exposure to > the elements. Samples, the analysis of which that was misrepresented by > Leuchter as having quantitative validity when it only had qualitative > validity, a practice totally unacceptable and unethical in analytical > chemistry. > >> Holman, I think you should reread the Leuchter Report and then reread >> the Krakow report. > > I've reread them both several times. I've also read the three other > reports that Leuchter produced. I nearly bust a gut laughing at his > conclusions and cultural baggage. Particularly his claim that carbon > monoxide, which kills thousands of people a year, is unsuitable as an > execution gas because if people were packed into an airtight room and > forced to breathe it, they would suffocate before it killed them. The > one about the accidental mention of a gas chamber in a Nazi-era > construction document from Auschwitz probably being a joke inspired by > flatulant construction workers is another classic. > >> The Germans didn't have the resources /coke/fuel etc to cremate those >> that were dieing of typhus, why would they kill/gas more? > > For ideological reasons. They didn't have the resources to sneak-attack > the USSR, and then split and dilute their initiative by trying to add > insult to injury and going for the two cities named after Soviet > leaders, Leningrad and Stalingrad, instead of devoting their energies to > knocking out the capital, Moscow, but they did it anyway, They didn't > have the resources to wage war against the USSR, France, the UK, and the > US all at the same time, but they did it anyway. > > The Germans didn't have the resources to risk losing a second major war > within the space of a generation, but they did it anyway. > > Regards, > Eugene Holman From snowonweb@hotmail.com Thu Nov 15 22:48:49 EST 2007 Article: 1226418 of alt.revisionism Xref: sn-us alt.revisionism:1226418 Path: sn-us!sn-feed-sjc-03!sn-xt-sjc-11!sn-xt-sjc-09!sn-xt-sjc-13!supernews.com!newshub.sdsu.edu!newscon04.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!newsdst01.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com.POSTED!584e53d9!not-for-mail From: "snow" Newsgroups: alt.revisionism References: Subject: Re: Some questions for gas chamber skeptics Lines: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="windows-1250"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1365 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1365 Message-ID: <9RZ_i.6920$TR5.6122@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 76.210.251.23 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com 1195141573 ST000 76.210.251.23 (Thu, 15 Nov 2007 10:46:13 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 10:46:13 EST Organization: AT&T http://yahoo.sbc.com X-UserInfo1: [[PGG[GGGZUUB\H]]RKB_UDAZZ\DPCPDLXUNNHXIJYWZUYICD^RAQBKZQTZTX\_I[^G_KGFNON[ZOE_AZNVO^\XGGNTCIRPIJH[@RQKBXLRZ@CD^HKANYVW@RLGEZEJN@\_WZJBNZYYKVIOR]T]MNMG_Z[YVWSCH_Q[GPC_A@CARQVXDSDA^M]@DRVUM@RBM Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 10:44:05 -0500 wrote in message news:AsqdnYmUGudiE6banZ2dnUVZ_uKpnZ2d@comcast.com... > > "snow" wrote in message > news:eXK_i.9481$ww2.3994@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net... >> >> >> "Eugene Holman" wrote in message >> news:holman-68C7DA.08122914112007@oravannahka.helsinki.fi... >>> Some people here base their skepticism concerning the existence of Nazi >>> gas chambers on the claim put forth in some denier quarters that it is >>> extremely difficult and dangerous to kill people using poison gas >>> without simultaneously producing a major environmental hazard. >>> Nevertheless, any fireman or policeman knows how easily people succumb >>> to carbon monoxide, automobile exhaust, smoke inhalation, and other >>> lethal agents they have been forced to breathe long enough for it to >>> kill them. All the more so if they have been purposely weakened, >>> disoriented, or terrorized beforehand. >>> >>> My claim is that it is extraordinarily easy and safe to kill any living >>> being if you have control over the composition of the ambient air it is >>> forced to breathe. It is even easier if you can soften them up for a few >>> days in advance of the killing action. That is, I would claim, precisely >>> the methodology favored by the Nazis. >>> >>> Specifically, I claim that a minimalist, non-technical homicidal gas >>> chamber for killing people in large batches would be a sturdily built >>> room with a low (2 meters/6 feet) ceiling, no windows, an airtight door, >>> and a ventilation system that could be turned off and on. >>> Alternatively, there could be windows, preferably with shutters, for >>> cross ventilation, but they would have to be barred inside and only >>> capable of being opened from the outside. >>> >>> It could be used to kill people using the following methodology: >> >> >> Exactly, "it could be used", so it means that there are no factual data >> or documents and it's only a speculation. > > First of all, stupid. Mr. Holman's post is addressing the preposterous > denier argument that the gas chambers couldn't have operated as the > evidence shows. He's not arguing the historical fact of their existence. > > Secondly, there is more evidence than you have enough neurons to deny > about the facts of gassing. Everyone regular on this newsgroup knows that you are an idiot with nothing to add but horse shit. but I will give you a chance to prove yourself. Show me more evidence than I have neurons to deny about the facts of gassing! > >> Nazis could also shoot the prisoners which would make more sense than >> allegedly gassing the prisoners. > > And they did. It made less since so they adopted gassing. > > Don't know very much about this, do you? > > -- > Philip Mathews > > From snowonweb@hotmail.com Thu Nov 15 22:48:49 EST 2007 Article: 1226422 of alt.revisionism Xref: sn-us alt.revisionism:1226422 Path: sn-us!sn-feed-sjc-04!sn-xt-sjc-10!sn-xt-sjc-06!sn-xt-sjc-12!supernews.com!nntp.csufresno.edu!tethys.csu.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!newscon04.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!newsdst01.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com.POSTED!584e53d9!not-for-mail From: "snow" Newsgroups: alt.revisionism References: Subject: Re: Some questions for gas chamber skeptics Lines: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="windows-1250"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1365 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1365 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 76.210.251.23 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com 1195142986 ST000 76.210.251.23 (Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:09:46 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:09:46 EST Organization: AT&T http://yahoo.sbc.com X-UserInfo1: [[OGBVOGZZV[CFD[LZKJOPHAWB\^PBQLGPQRJWQHBATBTSUBYFWEAE[YJLYPIWKHTFCMZKVMB^[Z^DOBRVVMOSPFHNSYXVDIE@X\BUC@GTSX@DL^GKFFHQCCE\G[JJBMYDYIJCZM@AY]GNGPJD]YNNW\GSX^GSCKHA[]@CCB\[@LATPD\L@J\\PF]VR[QPJN Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:07:32 -0500 "Eugene Holman" wrote in message news:holman-6B767E.12431415112007@news.helsinki.fi... > In article , > "B'enjamin C'ramer" wrote: > >> > We have Rudolf Höß's detailed account of the >> > gassing procedure, >> >> Yeah! Right! >> >> What sort of fucking fool are you, midnight. >> >> Hoss was so full of b'ullshit I find it difficult to believe someone such >> as >> you, who is so damned keen on "truth" and "research", takes this shite >> in, >> in one swallow. You really are one fucked up "scholar" yougenie. > > Höß was not an educated man and he testified at Nuremberg without notes > or secretarial help. He made some obvious mistakes, got some dates > wrong, and even admitted himself that some of the information that he > gave was obtained second hand and thus unreliable. Having had more time > to think about it, he revised what he could in his memoirs. > > Historians use what is called source criticism. That means that they try > to verify the evidence found in one source by comparing it with that > yielded by alternative parallel sources. For example, Höß speaks of a > seemingly non-existent camp that he calls "Wolzek", but he does not > mention the Sobibor camp. Rather than dismiss his mention of "Wolzek" as > "b'ullshit", a historian would obtain a map of the part of German > occupied place in question with the German and Polish placenames used at > the time in addition to going to the archives to determine when the camp > near Lublin first began to be called "Sobibor", working on the hypotheis > that Höß's "Wolzek" might be a placename or variant thereof in the > immediate vicinity. Such an investigation would reveal that the name > Sobibor was only widely used with reference to the camp after the war, > and that it was situated close to the village of Wolczyn. Höß's > difficulty with Polish names shows up many times in his testimony, he > sometimes refers to Treblinka as "Turblinka". > > You, who hate to study details, would prefer to dismiss everything that > Höß said at the first sign of error rather than subjecting what he said > to a critical analysis in the light of other, independently obtained > evidence. I am interested in "truth" and "research", and I have acquired > the tools to obtain an approximation of the former by using the tools > offered by the latter. Everything that you spew here, including your > total dismissal of Höß's testimony because it contains a few obvious > errors, shows that you have not. > > QED, > Eugene Holman Great answer but still one can notice that he received lead questions and there is evidence that he was under tremendous pressure (if not torture) to give politically correct answers. If such gassing took place, there should be many more testimonies from many other people. Relying on one person who could have been under the impression that giving the answers the judges wants to hear will get high a less severe sentence. Are you able to produce more accounts of gassing. Please do not give survivor witness accounts because they seems to be the least reliable because how can a survivor claim to be a witness to gassing when apparently the gassing chamber was disguised as a shower room that even people that went in weren't aware of it. Actually the whole idea of the systematic planned mass extermination and work camps with kitchens, barracks, laundry rooms and barbers seems to lack any logic. From snowonweb@hotmail.com Thu Nov 15 22:48:50 EST 2007 Article: 1226423 of alt.revisionism Xref: sn-us alt.revisionism:1226423 Path: sn-us!sn-feed-sjc-03!sn-xt-sjc-11!sn-xt-sjc-08!sn-xt-sjc-12!supernews.com!nntp.csufresno.edu!tethys.csu.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!newscon04.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!newsdst01.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com.POSTED!584e53d9!not-for-mail From: "snow" Newsgroups: alt.revisionism References: Subject: Re: Some questions for gas chamber skeptics Lines: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="windows-1250"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1365 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1365 Message-ID: <70__i.6921$TR5.6806@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 76.210.251.23 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com 1195142275 ST000 76.210.251.23 (Thu, 15 Nov 2007 10:57:55 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 10:57:55 EST Organization: AT&T http://yahoo.sbc.com X-UserInfo1: [[PA@SNDERRMRWX[N[O@_WH@YR_B@EXLLBWLOOAF@YUDUWYAKVUOPCW[ML\JXUCKVFDYZKBMSFX^OMSAFNTINTDDMVW[X\THOPXZRVOCJTUTPC\_JSBVX\KAOTBAJBVMZTYAKMNLDI_MFDSSOLXINH__FS^\WQGHGI^C@E[A_CF\AQLDQ\BTMPLDFNVUQ_VM Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 10:55:44 -0500 "Eugene Holman" wrote in message news:holman-ECB884.09275915112007@oravannahka.helsinki.fi... > In article , > "snow" wrote: > >> Exactly, "it could be used", so it means that there are no factual data >> or >> documents and it's only a speculation. > > It is not just speculation. We have Rudolf Höß's detailed account of the > gassing procedure, both when he gave expert witness testimony at > Nuremberg at the trial of RSHA head Ernst Kaltenbrunner as well as in > his memoirs written after his own trial in Cracow. We have the testimony > of surviving personnel, prisoners, and escapees from Belzec, Sobibor, > and Treblinka. We also have blueprints and various other construction > documents concerning the gas chambers at Auschwitz-Stammlager and > Auschwitz-Birkenau. There is no lack of data, documents, or evidence > concerning the procedures of mass murder by gas carried out at Nazi > death camps. > >> Nazis could also shoot the prisoners which would make more sense than >> allegedly gassing the prisoners. > > Actually, the Nazis discovered rather quickly that shooting Jews and > Gypsies ­ not prisoners, but simply people marked for genocidal > destruction ­ did *not* make more sense than gassing. As you should > know, shooting the targeted groups was the default method of genocidal > destruction between June 22, 1941 and the beginning of 1942. > > The original plan was to carry out mass shootings of targeted groups > using two distinct methodologies. > > 1. In the countryside, specially trained groups, the Einsatzgruppen > [Task Force groups], would scour an area taken by the Wehrmacht for > members of the targeted groups, often with local assistance, and shoot > them in cold blood, either individually, or in small groups, often > publicly in town squares and parks to demonstrate to the locals that > they were cleansing the population of its undesirable elements. This was > done along the eastern front from Estonia all the way down to the Crime > by Einsatzgruppen A B, C, and D. See the map at > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Coffinmap.jpg from Stahlecker's > report entitled "Jewish Executions Carried Out by Einsatzgruppe A" and > stamped "Secret Reich Matter." The map shows the number of Jews executed > be Stahlecker's Einsatzgruppe A in the Baltic States and Belarus in > 1941. See the Jäger Report, compiled by Karl Jäger, the commander of > Einsatzkommando 3 [Task Force Squadron] of Einsatzgruppe A, for a > detailed account of the day-to-day shooting carried out by the men under > his command in Lithuania during the latter half of 1941 > (http://www.holocaust-history.org/works/jaeger-report/htm/intro000.htm). > > 2. In the cities, the original plan was to incite local populations to > rise up against the Jews, using propaganda to agitate them to accept the > argument that they were the source of communism, the brutal Soviet rule > in and occupation of the Baltic states, Belarus, Ukraine, and Russia > proper, and other other social problems, and kill them in pogroms. In a > few places, such as Kaunas [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaunas_pogrom], > Vilnius (then in Poland) [http://www.lituanus.org/2001/01_4_03.htm], and > Riga > [http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/media_cm.php?lang=en&ModuleId=10005463&MediaId= > 1594], this worked, but in most cases it did not. > > Thus an alternative option was developed: an industrial methodology of > mass shooting developed by SS-Obergruppenführer und General der Polizei > Friedrich Jeckeln > [http://www.economy-point.org/f/friedrich-jeckeln.html] during the > summer and autumn of 1941 in Ukraine. This method, called > *Sardinenpackung* ­ 'sardine packing' > [http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=980CE0DB153FF933A05755C0A > 9649C8B63] involved collecting the local urban Jews into a ghetto, > exploiting them for a few weeks as slave labor, and then moving them to > a pre-prepared killing site where mass graves had been dug and an > appropriate amount of ammunition and other supplies had been delivered > under the pretext that they were going to be "resettled in the East". > > Jeckeln planned, organized, implemented, and supervised the > well-documented mass shooting operation that took place at the Rumbula > forest outside Riga on November 30 and December 8, 1941. On both days > approximately 12,000 Jews from the Riga ghetto, the overwhelming > majority of them women and children, were shot by the marksmen employed > to do the job [http://www.balticsww.com/rumbula.htm]. An entry in > Himmler's diary a few days after the event indicates that Jeckeln > informed him that the job had been done, as Jeckeln himself testified in > his post-war trial [http://www.einsatzgruppenarchives.com/jeckeln.html]. > > Jeckeln's methodology demonstrated itself to be effective, but it had > its flaws. It took several weeks to organize, it required thousands of > people to maintain the deception, give and translate orders, maintain > order, and collect, classify, store, and dispose of the clothing and > personal effects of the people who were shot. The logistics of the > operation put an upper limit on the number of people who could be killed > per day at about 12,000. On both days of the shootings in Riga, several > hundred people suspected foul play and tried to escape as they were > being marched from the ghetto to the killing site, most of shot in cold > blood, with their bodies left lying along the street until they were > collected late in the evening and dumped into a mass grave in the center > of the town. Others were shot in cold blood because they were unable to > keep up with the brisk pace of the marching. Friction arose several > times between the Germans in charge of the operation and the Latvian > police who were actually implementing it, when the latter sometimes > purposely shot past people who were making a run for at, allowing them > to escape. Since the ten-kilometer march from the Riga ghetto to the > killing was carried out in daylight along a major thoroughfare, Moscow > Road, there were thousands of eye witnesses to the shootings along the > road and at the killing site on both days. A few people who were shot > but not killed managed to escape the pits and survive, providing even > more horrific evidence. Some of the shocking photographs and other > evidence of this massacre is on display at the Museum of the Occupation > of Latvia in Riga > [http://www.occupationmuseum.lv/eng/about_us/welcome.html]. > > Since Riga is a port city, even during the Nazi occupation it had > foreign correspondents and consulates News of the mass shootings was > international news on both days, being broadcast by the BBC, Radio > Moscow, and Radio Sweden, in addition to being the main topic of > conversation among the shocked townspeople on the days when it was > carried out. Additionally, a steady diet of shooting defenseless women, > children, babies, and elderly people took a heavy psychological tool on > the marksmen. Since such an operation could not be carried on in > private, it generated extremely bad public relations for the Germans. In > an occupied country such as Latvia, where the majority population was > not Aryan in the sense of the term understood by the Nazis, nobody knew > who the next victims might be. Since so many people were involved, even > in the planning stage there was the danger of information leaking to the > intended victims. These problems were all generally recognized within > the Nazi hierarchy, and a serious effort was made to solve them. > > Chelmno, the first mass gassing facility, became operational on December > 8, 1941. The Wannsee Conference convened on January 20, 1942 for the > purpose of exchanging the experiences of the past six months in > implementing the final solution and to coordinate its further > implementation. One of the participants was Heinrich Müller, head of the > Gestapo. Müller had spent the autumn of 1941 in Latvia and Estonia. He > was well aware of the manner in which the Jewish population of Estonia > had been reduced to the *judenfrei* ­ 'free of Jews' ­ noted in the > Wannsee protocol statustics, and he had worked closely with Jeckeln in > Latvia with the practical implementation of the Rumbula massacres. He > certainly provided useful information concerning the pros and cons of > mass shooting operations. It is significant that mass shooting > operations stop abruptly at the end of 1941, while Chelmno, were people > were gassed more discretely and with fewer psychological problems for > the perpetrators than had been the case at Rumbula and elsewhere, had > been operating for some seven weeks. A former military morgue and > adjacent crematorium at Auschwitz-Stammlager had been converted to a > large gas chamber during January, 1942, and the first transports of Jews > to be killed there, behind close doors, began arriving at Auschwitz > during the last days of that month. > > The default method for destroying large group of people had switched > from mass shooting to mass gassing. In addition to making the commission > of genocide more discrete, sanitary, and thus psychologically > acceptable, centralizing it to a small number of dedicated killing > establishments to which the victims had to be transported, the trip > often lasting several days and being done in stress-inducing conditions, > rather than committing it in broad daylight, enabled the Nazis to > maintain the fiction that the people were being resettled, in addition > to providing them with an effective method of disorienting and > "softening up" their intended victims. After the transport to the > killing center, and a friendly welcoming speech by the camp commandant, > they eagerly entered what they had been told were mass showers, in > expectation of the warm meal and clean clothes they had been promised > once this procedure had been done. > > As a final thought on why the Nazis abandoned mass shooting for gassing, > consider these thoughts that passed through Adolf Eichmann's mind as he > witnessed a mass shooting of Jews: > > > "I witnessed the gruesome workings of the machinery of death; gear > meshed with gear, like clockwork. It was the biggest and most enormous > dance of death of all times." > > "When I arrived at the place of the execution, the gunmen fired into a > pit the size of several rooms. They fired from small submachine guns. As > I arrived, I saw a Jewish woman and a small child in her arms in the > pit. I wanted to pull out the child, but then a bullet smashed the skull > of the child. My driver wiped brain particles from my leather coat." > > "Because I have seen hell, death and the devil, because I had to watch > the madness of destruction, because I was one of the many horses pulling > the wagon and couldn't escape left or right because of the will of the > driver, I now feel called upon and have the desire, to tell what > happened." > > > Regards, > Eugene Holman You seem to be the most intelligent around here and your posts do have a lot of content, obviously you take the issue seriously and do your research. Perhaps the problem is the sources of your research that seems very one sided. I am starting to believe that the so called disinfection chambers designed for delousing were eventually used to kill prisoners as Nazis considered Slavs and Jews the lowest forms of human beings. I am still having problems with the idea that the gas chambers were specifically designed and build for mass extermination of human life because as we know at the beginning of the war, Jews were asked to leave Germany and Poland, as many did, then there were plans for resettling them in Madagascar or Spain to plans of creating Judeo-Polonia. It is highly possible that work camp management did systemically kill prisoners without the knowledge or permission of the Nazi party officials and fuehrer, therefore lack of paper trail of such occurrence. I believe there should be way more evidence to claim that mass gassing was a systematic planned way of exterminating human life, because if we are to assume systematic killing did take place then the evidence should be overwhelming and its not. From snowonweb@hotmail.com Thu Nov 15 22:48:51 EST 2007 Article: 1226424 of alt.revisionism Xref: sn-us alt.revisionism:1226424 Path: sn-us!sn-feed-sjc-02!sn-xt-sjc-11!sn-xt-sjc-09!sn-xt-sjc-13!supernews.com!newshub.sdsu.edu!newscon04.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!newsdst01.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com.POSTED!584e53d9!not-for-mail From: "snow" Newsgroups: alt.revisionism References: <9Wt_i.22719$JD.16083@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net> <1195062975.189972.155990@o38g2000hse.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Prophets Outcast: A Century of Dissident Jewish Writing About Zionism and Isreal Lines: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="windows-1250"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1365 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1365 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 76.210.251.23 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com 1195143177 ST000 76.210.251.23 (Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:12:57 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:12:57 EST Organization: AT&T http://yahoo.sbc.com X-UserInfo1: [[PAPDON_BRWSQDYZBCBNWX@RJ_XPDLMN@GZ_GYO^JWTEPIB_NVUAH_[BL[\IRKIANGGJBFNJF_DOLSCENSY^U@FRFUEXR@KFXYDBPWBCDQJA@X_DCBHXR[C@\EOKCJLED_SZ@RMWYXYWE_P@\\GOIW^@SYFFSWHFIXMADO@^[ADPRPETLBJ]RDGENSKQQZN Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:10:51 -0500 "It's all a bit strange" wrote in message news:Xns99E8B0E931E24TBAnoonecarescom@85.214.90.228... > TurkeyBoy wrote in > news:1195062975.189972.155990@o38g2000hse.googlegroups.com: > >> On Nov 14, 4:27 am, "snow" wrote: >>> http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?z=y&EAN= > 9. >>> .. >>> >>> Synopsis >>> Contrary to the claims of the American Jewish establishment and the >>> Israel lobby, Jews do not speak with one voice about the Middle East. >>> Since the early twentieth century some of the fiercest and most >>> eloquent critiques of Israel and Zionism have been made by Jewish >>> thinkers. They have hailed from political and intellectual >>> traditions-Zionism (Hannah Arendt), anti-Zionism (Maxim Rodinson), >>> anarchism (Noam Chomsky), and Marxism (I. F. Stone). Unconditional >>> supporters of the state of Israel have denounced them as heretics. >>> Yet in the midst of the violence engulfing Palestine and Israel, >>> their warnings about the Zionist project, with its vision of an >>> ethnically pure Jewish state, have never seemed more prescient. These >>> prophets outcast speak out as individuals in a wilderness, proposing >>> solutions to the question of Palestine that range from a two-state >>> solution to socialist internationalism. What links them is an >>> understanding that Israeli policies have been a disaster not only for >>> Palestinians, but for Jews as well. As Jews, they express a >>> recognition of the tragic thread that connects the Palestinian >>> catastrophe to the Holocaust, the destruction of European Jewry that >>> made Israel possible, and that led many Jews to view Zionism as their >>> only salvation. >> >> Much of what zionazis label "antisemitism" is people's normal >> revulsion to Israel's nazi like treatment of Palestinians. Decent Jews >> oppose Nazi Israel just as much as others do. If these decent Jews >> prevail, there can be peace for Jews and Palestinians in the Middle >> East. Zionazis, especially those non-Jews who spew hatred form the >> safety of US do not want peace, only destruction. There has to be a >> solution that is fair to both sides. >> >> Have a nice vegetarian day! >> >> > > once again turkeyBOY makes sure that the Palestinians are always the > victims How about you read that book before you open your mouth. how about you read anything except posts in this group. From snowonweb@hotmail.com Thu Nov 15 22:48:51 EST 2007 Article: 1226428 of alt.revisionism Xref: sn-us alt.revisionism:1226428 Path: sn-us!sn-feed-sjc-02!sn-xt-sjc-11!sn-xt-sjc-06!sn-xt-sjc-12!supernews.com!news-out.readnews.com!news-xxxfer.readnews.com!newshub.sdsu.edu!newscon04.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!newsdst01.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com.POSTED!584e53d9!not-for-mail From: "snow" Newsgroups: alt.revisionism References: Subject: Re: Ben Cramer shown to be the fool yet again Lines: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="windows-1250"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1365 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1365 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 76.210.251.23 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com 1195144277 ST000 76.210.251.23 (Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:31:17 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:31:17 EST Organization: AT&T http://yahoo.sbc.com X-UserInfo1: [[PAPDON_BRWSQDYZBCBNWX@RJ_XPDLMN@GZ_GYO^JWTEPIB_NVUAH_[BL[\IRKIANGGJBFNJF_DOLSCENSY^U@FRFUEXR@KFXYDBPWBCDQJA@X_DCBHXR[C@\EOKCJLED_SZ@RMWYXYWE_P@\\GOIW^@SYFFSWHFIXMADO@^[ADPRPETLBJ]RDGENSKQQZN Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:29:10 -0500 "Eugene Holman" wrote in message news:holman-98C790.11525715112007@news.helsinki.fi... > In article , > "snow" wrote: > >> Thank you, very informative post. All I see is that he provided this >> newsgroup with information that already existed and was researched. > > ...while dismissing other information, better researched and supported > by far more evidence, as being part of a "yid" conspiracy. > >> One must >> understand that the rules of fighting in that part of the world is >> different >> than what we as western countries expect. Use of chemical and biological >> weapons is more acceptable in that part of the world and Kurds have been >> harassed by Iranians, Iraqis and Turks. > > I don't think anyone would dispute that. > >> Even American government initially >> claimed (as seen below) that Iran was responsible for the mass gassing of >> Kurds > > Not because of its interest in the truth, but rather because it wanted > to obfuscate and conceal evidence of the degree to which it and its > close ally, Germany, gone to provide Saddam Hussein's regime with the > infrastructure, know-how, and basic substances needed to build up a > chemical warfare capability back when the US supported Iraq in its war > against Iran. > >> until it was beneficiary to US government to focus the blame on >> Iraqis. At the time it was in the best interest of US Government to blame >> Iran because it was the US that sold chemical and biological weapons >> (known >> fact, stated below) to Iraq. Mr. Cramer is not wrong in saying that >> Iranians gassed Kurds as US government claimed it themselves, > > But he is wrong in relying solely on the largely discredited Dr. > Pelletiere as his messianic source that, according to him, overrides all > other evidence, including eyewitness reports of clearly identifiable > Iraqi air force aircraft and Saddam Hussein's own admissions that he > gassed his own people. > > Pelletier's credibility is such that on the lecture circuit he has been > reduced to addressing audiences in venues like the "prestigious Corning > East High cafeteria" [source: > http://www.opinionjournal.com/best/?id=110009505]. > >> Just because >> American government and American media focused on Iraq gassing the Kurds, >> it >> is not incorrect to claim that Iran was responsible for gassing the >> Kurds. > > In general, it is not. In the specific case of Halabja, the overwhelming > majority of the evidence indicates that it is. For details, see Dr. > Gosden's testimony before the US Senate at > http://judiciary.senate.gov/oldsite/gosden.htm. > >> Now, the American media only focused on one instance for which they have >> photographs of dead Kurds with badly burnt bodies but these photographs >> do >> not show the person or persons responsible. > > Nevertheless, an abundance of evidence, summarized in the > above-mentioned testimony by Dr. Gosden, and now supplemented by the > recent information that Saddam Hussein admitted this to be the case, > indicates that Iraq was responsible for the Halabja attack. > > Actually, the issue of which side is responsible is not of interest to > me. My purpose in bringing it up was to call attention to the manner in > which Cramer uses evidence and draws conclusions. > > To him, Dr. Pelletiere's emotional five-minute spiel, based on American > intelligence and a US military report about Iraq's capability to wage > chemical warfare overrides all evidence of whatever source or quality > that Iraq could indeed have pulled off the attack. Cramer, who hates > delving into anything in depth, neglects the fact that intelligence > reports are never completely reliable, and that the research that goes > into compiling them was typically weeks or even months before the report > was published. Dr. Pelletiere's basic argument is that all available > intelligence showed at the time that Iraq had never launched a gas > attack in the past, and that it was not in possession of the cyanide > necessary to launch when then. This suffices to let Iraq off the hook. > My counter-argument, which Cramer dismisses as "deceitful" and > "dishonest", is that past behavior does not necessarily determine future > behavior, that there can always be a "first", and that a country with > the industrial infrastructure, know-how, and resurces that Iraq dsposed > over at the time could easily produce or import cyanide. There is also > the fact that the same cities and towns were alternatively under Iraqi > and Iranian control, raising the possibility that Iraq could have simply > come into caches of Iranian cyanide and used it accordingly. Most > damningly, however, Dr. Pelletiere and Cramer concentrate exclusively on > cyanide, whereas Dr. Gosden's years of research on the victims of the > Halabja attack, indicate that cyanide was only one of the ingredients in > the "cocktail" of lethal gasses dropped on Halabja by what eyewitnesses > consistently claim to have been six low-flying aircraft bearing the > markings of the Iraqi air force. Cramer summarily dismisses Dr. Gosden's > highly-regarded research without even considering it because he suspects > that she is a "yid bloke" and "looks like a yid". > > I don't know about you, but I am unable to accept Cramer's conclusion or > the poor excuse for thinking that leads him to it. Cramer, like Dr. > Pelletiere, is attracted like a fly to a fresh turd to any conspiracy > theory that is in the air. To regard the possibility of Halabja being an > Iraqi attack as a "yid conspiracy" aimed at furthering Israeli interests > in the Middle East is quite consistent with other claims that Cramer has > made in this forum, including the one that the "yids" have removed the > rather pathetic five-minute containing Dr. Pelletiere's argument from > Youtube. > > I would not otherwise be concerned, but it is precisely this kind of > thinking that causes Cramer to reject the possibility of a Boeing 757 > having hit the Pentagon on September 11, 2001 because he does not see > impact damage from the wings and tail, this, off course, overriding all > other evidence, including eyewitness testimony, flight control reports, > and the human remains, luggage and nose gear of an American Airlines > Boeing 757 found inside the Pentagon after the fire had been > extinguished; to reject the possibility of Nazi gas chambers, and thus > of the Holocaust, because of Fred Leuchter's report; and to reject the > possibility that David Irving got a fair trial in London because the > "stinky yids" bamboozled Judge Charles Gray, a leading authority on > British libel law,as well as the three judges in the Court of Appeal > that reviewed his verdict into not noticing that Deborah Lipstadt's > critique of David Irving's methodology and public behavior was actually > "libelous from start to finish". > > Regards, > Eugene Holman As far as 9/11 and Pentagon and planes. it has nothing to do with revisionism and my understanding is that you are trying to show Mr. Cramer as a person who jumps on controversy theories first. As for the gassing of Kurds, intelligence reports and the blame game. I just want to say that it is necessary to gather your knowledge from many different sources, not just American media and American news agencies as they have their own agenda of portraying the news in particular manner. Dr. Pelletier or Dr. Gosden, both seem to be involved in political ideology and both would have an agenda by providing the public with sided view of point. That is why it is important to gather your information from sources other than English speaking and to be able to read between the lines or be able to see politically charged statements. I am blessed with knowing English, Yiddish, Polish, Russian and Ukrainians therefore I am able to read and absorb knowledge of events from different perspectives. It is obvious that the reason behind this post as the subject line explains is to show Mr. Cramer in negative light because of his past statements. Even though information provided by Mr. Cramer is controversial, he is not to be blamed for articles written by others. From snowonweb@hotmail.com Thu Nov 15 22:48:52 EST 2007 Article: 1226429 of alt.revisionism Xref: sn-us alt.revisionism:1226429 Path: sn-us!sn-feed-sjc-01!sn-xt-sjc-10!sn-xt-sjc-01!sn-xt-sjc-13!supernews.com!newshub.sdsu.edu!newscon04.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!newsdst01.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com.POSTED!584e53d9!not-for-mail From: "snow" Newsgroups: alt.revisionism References: <1195008861.747523.40780@50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com> <1195013994.225293.221910@v3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Pleas to rescue Jews in the Holocaust ignored by Zionist leaders (Rich Jews refuse to help their brothers and sisters, the poor Jews) Lines: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="windows-1250"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1365 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1365 Message-ID: <0A__i.6931$TR5.1733@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 76.210.251.23 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com 1195144572 ST000 76.210.251.23 (Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:36:12 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:36:12 EST Organization: AT&T http://yahoo.sbc.com X-UserInfo1: [[PAPDCAOPTSC_TXMBND]_\@VR]^@B@MCPWZKB]MPXH@ETUCCNSKQFCY@TXDX_WHSVB]ZEJLSNY\^J[CUVSA_QLFC^RQHUPH[P[NRWCCMLSNPOD_ESALHUK@TDFUZHBLJ\XGKL^NXA\EVHSP[D_C^B_^JCX^W]CHBAX]POG@SSAZQ\LE[DCNMUPG_VSC@VJM Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:34:05 -0500 wrote in message news:s4ydnVionMbUCabanZ2dnUVZ_oWdnZ2d@comcast.com... > > "snow" wrote in message > news:QEL_i.9487$ww2.3175@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net... >> >> >> "Philip Mathews" wrote in message >> news:1195013994.225293.221910@v3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com... >>> On Nov 13, 10:33 pm, "snow" wrote: >>>> "Philip Mathews" wrote in message >>>> >>>> news:1195008861.747523.40780@50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com... >>>> >>>> > On Nov 13, 4:02 pm, "snow" wrote: >>>> >> "It's all a bit strange" wrote >>>> >> in >>>> >> messagenews:Xns99E76A999B955TBAnoonecarescom@85.214.90.228... >>>> >>>> >> > So now szaki admits that there was a holocaust. >>>> >>>> >> Holocaust was originally used in English for a "burnt offering," >>>> >>>> > So what stupid! >>> >>>> > Lots of words used to be used to mean something else. >>> >>>> Would you mind giving some examples. >>> >>> The word "harlot" used to refer to a boy. >> >> harlot refers to a person who is 'free spirited' such as unemployed man >> or >> prostitute woman >> http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/harlot > > You link says no such thing. > > http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/harlot > > American Heritage Dictionary - Cite This Source - Share This har·lot > (här'l?t) Pronunciation Key > n. A woman prostitute. > > > [Middle English, vagabond, rogue, lecher, harlot, from Old French > arlot, herlot, vagabond.] > > har'lot·ry (-l?-tre) n. > > Word History: The word harlot nowadays refers to a particular kind > of woman, but interestingly it used to refer to a particular kind of man. > The word is first recorded in English in a work written around the > beginning of the 13th century, meaning "a man of no fixed occupation, > vagabond, beggar," and soon afterwards meant "male lecher." Already in the > 14th century it appears as a deprecatory word for a woman, though exactly > how this meaning developed from the male sense is not clear. For a time > the word could also refer to a juggler or jester of either sex, but by the > close of the 17th century its usage referring to males had disappeared. > > > Harlot today refers to a female prostitute, and once refered to a male. > >>> The word "counterfeit" once meant an original. >> >> http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/counterfeit >> http://www.thefreedictionary.com/counterfeit >> >> Dictionary says nothing about it meaning an original. > > That's because the dictionaries are deficient in the etymology. > > >>> The world "manufacture" once signified making by hand. >> >> Manufacture means 'to make' by hands or machinery (still means the same) > > No, today it referes to mass production, where it once to referred to made > by hand exclusively. > >>> The first of these is an example of pejoration, the last two examples >>> of semantic reversal. >>> >>> The change of word meanings in any language is a frequent occurrence. >>> Languages are living things. >>> >>> Not that I expect you to understand such a simple concept. > > You might want to acquaint yourself with the word "etymology" before > making even more of a fool of yourself. > > Words change meaning all the time. > > -- > Philip Mathews > > You are right, I am not a linguist, but the word ZID simply means Jew and your friend uses it in the wrong way. Perhaps the word ZID will change a meaning with time (if Jacobson is persistent) but as of today the meaning is still the same as in ZYD ZID ZHID. Jew. Please do a simple research by typing the word in your google groups search engine to see what kind of context it should be used. From snowonweb@hotmail.com Thu Nov 15 22:48:52 EST 2007 Article: 1226430 of alt.revisionism Xref: sn-us alt.revisionism:1226430 Path: sn-us!sn-feed-sjc-01!sn-us!sn-feed-sjc-04!sn-xt-sjc-10!sn-xt-sjc-01!sn-xt-sjc-13!supernews.com!newshub.sdsu.edu!newscon04.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!newsdst01.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com.POSTED!584e53d9!not-for-mail From: "snow" Newsgroups: alt.revisionism References: Subject: Re: Pleas to rescue Jews in the Holocaust ignored by Zionist leaders (Rich Jews refuse to help their brothers and sisters, the poor Jews) Lines: 4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="windows-1250"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1365 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1365 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 76.210.251.23 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com 1195144689 ST000 76.210.251.23 (Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:38:09 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:38:09 EST Organization: AT&T http://yahoo.sbc.com X-UserInfo1: [[PAPDON_BRWSQDYZBCBNWX@RJ_XPDLMN@GZ_GYO^JWTEPIB_NVUAH_[BL[\IRKIANGGJBFNJF_DOLSCENSY^U@FRFUEXR@KFXYDBPWBCDQJA@X_DCBHXR[C@\EOKCJLED_SZ@RMWYXYWE_P@\\GOIW^@SYFFSWHFIXMADO@^[ADPRPETLBJ]RDGENSKQQZN Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:36:01 -0500 wrote in message news:Y5GdnRpJEospCabanZ2dnUVZ_ryqnZ2d@comcast.com... > > "snow" wrote in message > news:mHL_i.9488$ww2.9296@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net... > >> Are you really that dumb or you just write first and then think. >> Holocaust existed long before WW2 just as it states above and it means to >> be burned alive in most instances. > > So what? > > Of what relevance is it that you've discovered something most of us have > known for a long time? > >>I thought that the Jews were 'gassed' during WW2 and then cremated. > > They were, stupid. > > What's your point? > Exactly my point. Most of us have known the meaning of word Holocaust, except for Jacobson who is still confused. From snowonweb@hotmail.com Thu Nov 15 22:48:52 EST 2007 Article: 1226431 of alt.revisionism Xref: sn-us alt.revisionism:1226431 Path: sn-us!sn-feed-sjc-01!sn-xt-sjc-10!sn-xt-sjc-01!sn-xt-sjc-13!supernews.com!newshub.sdsu.edu!newscon04.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!newsdst01.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com.POSTED!584e53d9!not-for-mail From: "snow" Newsgroups: alt.revisionism References: <13jjt2cnrcgte7c@corp.supernews.com> <13jnca9j6mcuk53@corp.supernews.com> Subject: Re: A bucket load of lies from the Scott Snow thing Lines: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="windows-1250"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1365 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1365 Message-ID: <1G__i.6935$TR5.4150@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 76.210.251.23 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com 1195144957 ST000 76.210.251.23 (Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:42:37 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:42:37 EST Organization: AT&T http://yahoo.sbc.com X-UserInfo1: [[PAPDCAOPTSC_TXMBND]_\@VR]^@B@MCPWZKB]MPXH@ETUCCNSKQFCY@TXDX_WHSVB]ZEJLSNY\^J[CUVSA_QLFC^RQHUPH[P[NRWCCMLSNPOD_ESALHUK@TDFUZHBLJ\XGKL^NXA\EVHSP[D_C^B_^JCX^W]CHBAX]POG@SSAZQ\LE[DCNMUPG_VSC@VJM Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:40:30 -0500 "Kenneth McVay OBC" wrote in message news:13jnca9j6mcuk53@corp.supernews.com... > In article , > Leading Revisionist Scholar and Renkowned Liar scott snow > wrote: > >>"Kenneth McVay OBC" wrote in message >>news:13jjt2cnrcgte7c@corp.supernews.com... >>> In article , >>> snow wrote: >>> >>> [...] >>> >>>>This is disgusting such people should be imprisoned. Law prohibits such >>>>lewd >>>>public behaviour. >>>>What makes it more disgusting is the picture >>>>http://www.fpp.co.uk/ActionReport/AR25/images/Sara_Salzman.jpg >>> >>> What is disgusting about the picture, Scott? >> >>Triple chin, can't imagine how big are the love handles when they overflow >>on the chin, and the pelvis size must be also oversized. Although it is >>difficult to tell by looking at the picture but it looks like she requires >>two chairs to sit down. > > Have you seen Ms. Salzman, ever? > > No, you have not. You have absolutely no idea what she looks like, yet you > denegrate her > without a second thought. Interesting. > > I, on the other hand, know that you are a liar and a coward, and I, unlike > you and Ms. > Salzman, can prove it. > > Tough on you, Scottikins. (Cue pitter patter of cowardly racist feet > running for > the sewer...) > > > Leading Revisionist Scholar Mr. Kenneth McVay, it would be unfair, not to > mention > inconsiderate, for anyone to label you as a liar without giving you > the opportunity to respond by supporting your specious assertions > with documentary evidence. > 1. IS IT TRUE that in 1941 and again in 1942, the German Gestapo offered all European Jews transit to Spain, if they would relinquish all their property in Germany and Occupied France; on condition that: a) none of the deportees travel from Spain to Palestine; and b) all the deportees be transported from Spain to the USA or British colonies, and there to remain; with entry visas to be arranged by the Jews living there; and c) $1000.00 ransom for each family to be furnished by the Agency, payable upon the arrival of the family at the Spanish border at the rate of 1000 families daily. 2. IS IT TRUE that the Zionist leaders in Switzerland and Turkey received this offer with the clear understanding that the exclusion of Palestine as a destination for the deportees was based on an agreement between the Gestapo and the Mufti. 3. IS IT TRUE that the answer of the Zionist leaders was negative, with the following comments: a) ONLY Palestine would be considered as a destination for the deportees. b) The European Jews must accede to suffering and death greater in measure than the other nations, in order that the victorious allies agree to a "Jewish State" at the end of the war. c) No ransom will be paid 4. IS IT TRUE that this response to the Gestapo's offer was made with the full knowledge that the alternative to this offer was the gas chamber. 5. IS IT TRUE that in 1944, at the time of the Hungarian deportations, a similar offer was made, whereby all Hungarian Jewry could be saved. 6. IS IT TRUE that the same Zionist hierarchy again refused this offer (after the gas chambers had already taken a toll of millions). 7. IS IT TRUE that during the height of the killings in the war, 270 Members of the British Parliament proposed to evacuate 500,000 Jews from Europe, and resettle them in British colonies, as a part of diplomatic negotiations with Germany. 8. IS IT TRUE that this offer was rejected by the Zionist leaders with the observation "Only to Palestine!" 9. IS IT TRUE that the British government granted visas to 300 rabbis and their families to the Colony of Mauritius, with passage for the evacuees through Turkey. The "Jewish Agency" leaders sabotaged this plan with the observation that the plan was disloyal to Palestine, and the 300 rabbis and their families should be gassed. 10. IS IT TRUE that during the course of the negotiations mentioned above, Chaim Weitzman, the first "Jewish statesman" stated: "The most valuable part of the Jewish nation is already in Palestine, and those Jews living outside Palestine are not too important". Weitzman's cohort, Greenbaum, amplified this statement with the observation "One cow in Palestine is worth more than all the Jews in Europe". From snowonweb@hotmail.com Sun Nov 18 16:00:39 EST 2007 Article: 1226815 of alt.revisionism Xref: sn-us alt.revisionism:1226815 Path: sn-us!sn-feed-sjc-02!sn-xt-sjc-11!sn-xt-sjc-09!sn-xt-sjc-13!supernews.com!newshub.sdsu.edu!newscon04.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!newsdst01.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr22.news.prodigy.net.POSTED!584e53d9!not-for-mail From: "snow" Newsgroups: alt.revisionism References: <9RZ_i.6920$TR5.6122@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com> Subject: Re: Some questions for gas chamber skeptics Lines: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="windows-1250"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1365 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1365 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 75.35.96.226 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr22.news.prodigy.net 1195228364 ST000 75.35.96.226 (Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:52:44 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:52:44 EST Organization: AT&T http://yahoo.sbc.com X-UserInfo1: [[OGBVOGZZV[CFD[LZKJOPHAWB\^PBQLGPQRZ\YIJYWZUYICD^RAQBKZQTZTX\_I[^G_KGFNON[ZOE_AZNVO^\XGGNTCIRPIJH[@RQKBXLRZ@CD^HKANYVW@RLGEZEJN@\_WZJBNZYYKVIOR]T]MNMG_Z[YVWSCH_Q[GPC_A@CARQVXDSDA^M]@DRVUM@RBM Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:50:32 -0500 wrote in message news:Pf-dnZIKLPpTdaHanZ2dnUVZ_sejnZ2d@comcast.com... > > "snow" wrote in message > news:9RZ_i.6920$TR5.6122@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com... >> >> >> wrote in message >> news:AsqdnYmUGudiE6banZ2dnUVZ_uKpnZ2d@comcast.com... >>> >>> "snow" wrote in message >>> news:eXK_i.9481$ww2.3994@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net... >>>> >>>> >>>> "Eugene Holman" wrote in message >>>> news:holman-68C7DA.08122914112007@oravannahka.helsinki.fi... >>>>> Some people here base their skepticism concerning the existence of >>>>> Nazi >>>>> gas chambers on the claim put forth in some denier quarters that it is >>>>> extremely difficult and dangerous to kill people using poison gas >>>>> without simultaneously producing a major environmental hazard. >>>>> Nevertheless, any fireman or policeman knows how easily people succumb >>>>> to carbon monoxide, automobile exhaust, smoke inhalation, and other >>>>> lethal agents they have been forced to breathe long enough for it to >>>>> kill them. All the more so if they have been purposely weakened, >>>>> disoriented, or terrorized beforehand. >>>>> >>>>> My claim is that it is extraordinarily easy and safe to kill any >>>>> living >>>>> being if you have control over the composition of the ambient air it >>>>> is >>>>> forced to breathe. It is even easier if you can soften them up for a >>>>> few >>>>> days in advance of the killing action. That is, I would claim, >>>>> precisely >>>>> the methodology favored by the Nazis. >>>>> >>>>> Specifically, I claim that a minimalist, non-technical homicidal gas >>>>> chamber for killing people in large batches would be a sturdily built >>>>> room with a low (2 meters/6 feet) ceiling, no windows, an airtight >>>>> door, >>>>> and a ventilation system that could be turned off and on. >>>>> Alternatively, there could be windows, preferably with shutters, for >>>>> cross ventilation, but they would have to be barred inside and only >>>>> capable of being opened from the outside. >>>>> >>>>> It could be used to kill people using the following methodology: >>>> >>>> >>>> Exactly, "it could be used", so it means that there are no factual data >>>> or documents and it's only a speculation. >>> >>> First of all, stupid. Mr. Holman's post is addressing the preposterous >>> denier argument that the gas chambers couldn't have operated as the >>> evidence shows. He's not arguing the historical fact of their existence. >>> >>> Secondly, there is more evidence than you have enough neurons to deny >>> about the facts of gassing. >> >> Everyone regular on this newsgroup knows that you are an idiot with >> nothing to add but horse shit. > > No they don't. They know that halfwits like you come and go. Unfortunately > each successive generation is more stupid and ignorant than the last. You > can't even put together a plausibly intelligent argument for your denial. They come and go because newsgroup Kapo Mr. McVay reports them all to their ISP. > >>>> Nazis could also shoot the prisoners which would make more sense than >>>> allegedly gassing the prisoners. >>> >>> And they did. It made less since so they adopted gassing. >>> >>> Don't know very much about this, do you? > > You silence will be taken as assent. > > -- > Philip Mathews > From snowonweb@hotmail.com Sun Nov 18 16:00:40 EST 2007 Article: 1226915 of alt.revisionism Xref: sn-us alt.revisionism:1226915 Path: sn-us!sn-feed-sjc-02!sn-xt-sjc-11!sn-xt-sjc-09!sn-xt-sjc-13!supernews.com!newshub.sdsu.edu!newscon04.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!newsdst01.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com.POSTED!584e53d9!not-for-mail From: "snow" Newsgroups: alt.revisionism References: <1195032370.431676.43360@s15g2000prm.googlegroups.com> <--SdnTa5T9S7nKHanZ2dnUVZ_szinZ2d@giganews.com> Subject: Re: Some questions for gas chamber skeptics Lines: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="windows-1250"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1365 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1365 Message-ID: <9%r%i.8283$3Z2.2786@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 75.35.96.226 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com 1195265093 ST000 75.35.96.226 (Fri, 16 Nov 2007 21:04:53 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 21:04:53 EST Organization: AT&T http://yahoo.sbc.com X-UserInfo1: OX[SCW[DVBSSP_@YMZJ\_Q\@TJ_ZTB\MV@BT]UEK@YUDUWYAKVUOPCW[ML\JXUCKVFDYZKBMSFX^OMSAFNTINTDDMVW[X\THOPXZRVOCJTUTPC\_JSBVX\KAOTBAJBVMZTYAKMNLDI_MFDSSOLXINH__FS^\WQGHGI^C@E[A_CF\AQLDQ\BTMPLDFNVUQ_VM Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 21:02:37 -0500 "Eugene Holman" wrote in message news:holman-55E921.12253515112007@news.helsinki.fi... > In article <--SdnTa5T9S7nKHanZ2dnUVZ_szinZ2d@giganews.com>, > "El Cucui" wrote: > >> "Joe Bruno" wrote in message >> news:1195032370.431676.43360@s15g2000prm.googlegroups.com... >> > On Nov 13, 10:12 pm, Eugene Holman wrote: > > >> >> It is controlling the air they breathe that is extraordinarily difficult. > > Nonsense. All you have to do is have them in or induce them to enter a > room or structure, the air supply of which is under your control. A > trivial example of this is the poison gas attack with satin pulled of by > the Japanese Aum Shinrikyo group on March 20, 1995. Sarin reacts so > quickly that if it is released even in a subway car or station with the > normal ventilation and aeration systems functioning, it will > incapacitate and kill many victims, as did indeed happen: 12 deaths, 50 > people severely injured, 984 other injuries. > >> It is even easier if you can soften them up for a few >> >> days in advance of the killing action. That is, I would claim, >> >> precisely >> >> the methodology favored by the Nazis. >> >> >> >> Specifically, I claim that a minimalist, non-technical homicidal gas >> >> chamber for killing people in large batches would be a sturdily built >> >> room with a low (2 meters/6 feet) ceiling, no windows, an airtight >> >> door, >> >> and a ventilation system that could be turned off and on. >> >> Alternatively, there could be windows, preferably with shutters, for >> >> cross ventilation, but they would have to be barred inside and only >> >> capable of being opened from the outside. >> >> Theoretically you are correct. The problem here is that no such structure >> was ever found in nazi occupied europe nor were any blueprints or plans >> to >> build one ever found. > > The ruins of such structures as well as the blueprints, construction > plans, and other relevant documents for them have long been available > for anyone to inspect at the Auschwitz State Museum. See, e.g. > http://www.auschwitz.org.pl/new/index.php?language=EN&tryb=stale&id=495. > For an exhaustive study, including numerous blueprints, construction > plans, and photographs taken by the nazis, see Pressac's massive study > at > http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/pressac/technique-and-operatio > n/pressac0011.shtml. > >> >> >> >> It could be used to kill people using the following methodology: >> >> >> >> 1. You "soften up" and disorient your victims by rounding them up, >> >> terrorizing them with growling dogs and cudgels as you load them into >> >> freight cars, telling them that they are going to be resettled at some >> >> undisclosed point in "the East". >> >> >> >> 2. You pack them in the train so that they have standing room only, >> >> and >> >> you transport them to the undisclosed information over a timeframe >> >> lasting several days, providing them with minimal food, water, >> >> heating, >> >> or opportunities to bathe or wash. >> >> >> >> 3. When they arrive at the death camp, the seemingly friendly officer >> >> in >> >> charge begs their pardon for the arduous journey, and tells them that >> >> clean clothes and a warm meal await them as soon as they take a mass >> >> shower. >> >> And because Jews are known for being dumb as doornails, they would >> believe >> anything a German told them. Especially a sharp dressed spit shined >> Nordic >> SS officer type. Because if Nazis were anything, they were sharp >> dressers. > > Irrelevant. They were ordered to do things by men bearing machine guns > and equipped with growling, blood-thirsty dogs. > >> The bodies of those who were dead on arrival are quietly >> >> disposed of. >> >> Yeah, nobody notices dead people on a train. Tip toe quietly and you can >> remove the corpses without their friends of loved ones ever noticing >> they're >> dead > > Since the norm was to deliver East European Jews in box cars under > standing-room-only conditions in journeys lasting several days, > sometimes even more than a week, it was often hard to tell whether > someone was dead or merely sleeping until the train finally arrived at > the destination.. > >> >> 4. You separate the healthy and strong ones from the women with >> >> infants >> >> or small children, the infants and children themselves, the elderly, >> >> and >> >> the infirm. >> >> Because women with infants or small children are never healthy and >> strong. >> Giving birth and caring for children doesn't require any stamina. In >> fact, >> it's pretty much "women's work" >> >> And seperating infants and small children from their mothers would never >> cause a ruckus. The first day of nursury school with a playground full of >> happy laughing smiling toddlers who are finally liberated from Mommy's >> control proves that. > > Learn to read. I wrote that "You separate the healthy and strong ones > from the women with infants or small children, the infants and children > themselves, the elderly, and the infirm. > > Group 1: the healthy and strong ones > Group 2: the women with infants or small children, the infants and > children themselves, the elderly, and the infirm. > >> >> 5. This latter group is led to the sturdily constructed, air-tight >> >> room, >> >> ordered to strip naked for the shower, and packed in to the maximum >> >> possible. >> >> That's another thing Jews love to do--strip naked in front of strangers. > > If the stranger is a man with a gun who has shot the first one to refuse > to obey his command in cold blood in front of everyone, yes they will do > it. > >> The >> women especially will be grateful to be able to shake their ta-tas to >> attract the attention of those mad ripe gorgeous hunks of man meat in SS >> uniforms surrounding them with machine guns. > > The women will be scared to death and do anything asked of them if they > think that to do otherwise would mean instant death. > >> >> 6. The door of the room is closed and shut tight, and the lights are >> >> turned out. >> >> A calm hush falls over the room and everybody happily dies.... > > Not before the scream, pandemonium, and hysterical screams... > >> >> I claim that even if no lethal agent is introduced to the room at all, >> >> everybody in it will have suffocated or been crushed to death within >> >> fifteen to twenty minutes. If carbon monoxide or cyanide is >> >> introduced >> >> into the room, say, in double the concentration lethal to humans, an >> >> amount that any toxicologist or exterminator can calculate with ease, >> >> the mass killing will proceed all the more rapidly, due to the >> >> combined >> >> effects of suffocation, pandemonium, which will cause the victims to >> >> scream, breathe deeply as they try to break out, or be crushed, and >> >> the >> >> effect of the lethal agent. >> >> >> >> No hi-tech death machine invented by a team of top scientists is >> >> necessary if the objective is simply to kill the victims as simply and >> >> inexpensively as possible. Anybody who has worked with physical >> >> chemistry can construct a computer model of the changing composition >> >> of >> >> the ambient air in an airtight room full of people and see that no >> >> lethal agent all would be necessary for conditions within the room, >> >> with >> >> oxygen being depleted and the carbon dioxide content increasing, to >> >> become impossible to sustain life within ten or so minutes. >> >> But did you see the computers the SS used at Auschwitz? The museum has >> the >> Mac Plus that Hoess used but the rest of the SS staff had IBM XT's!!!! >> Running DOS!!!! It would take forever to figure out how to gas people >> with >> those old machines. > > Ho, ho, ho! Auschwitz happened when the most advanced computers > available to normal people were adding machines, typewriters, and little > thingies that used perforated cards and devices like knitting needles to > pull the ones necessary for the operation. > >> >> Can any gas chamber skeptic find a hole in this argument? >> >> Can anybody NOT find a hole in this argument? Can anybody do a better job >> of >> mocking it than I have done? > > You've not mocked it, you've only spewed foolishness that is easily > debunked. >> >> Can anyone >> >> explain why they think that all of the bells, whistles, and >> >> appurtenances that Fred Leuchter thinks are defining attributes of a >> >> gas >> >> chamber are really necessary? Or why the Nazis should have gone for an >> >> expensive and complex hi-tech solution when a cheap and simple >> >> low-tech >> >> solution would have done the job more effectively? >> >> No, the Nazis could have gone low tech. But they didn't. > > All the evidence shows that they did. > > All the surviving evidence of Nazi gas chambers indicates them to have > been minimalist, low-tech installations that blended in with their > surroundings and did not arouse suspicion of foul play. That's the only > way to go if you intend to discretely off more than 11,000,000 people > and are waging an all-fronts war with limited resources at the same time. > > Regards, > Eugene Holman I am amazed by your knowledge of the events. I must say I am impressed. I still believe it is wrong to use misfortune of Jews during Nazi times for political and ideological gains as it is being done by Zionists. I also believe throwing around 'anti-Semitism' and labeling anyone who disagrees with Zionist agenda an Anti-Semite, doesn't help the situation and only causes more hatred towards Jews who are mostly innocent bystanders who have nothing to do with Zionism. www.jewsnotzionists.com From snowonweb@hotmail.com Sun Nov 18 16:00:41 EST 2007 Article: 1226924 of alt.revisionism Xref: sn-us alt.revisionism:1226924 Path: sn-us!sn-feed-sjc-01!sn-xt-sjc-10!sn-xt-sjc-08!sn-xt-sjc-12!supernews.com!nntp.csufresno.edu!tethys.csu.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!newscon04.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!newsdst01.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com.POSTED!584e53d9!not-for-mail From: "snow" Newsgroups: alt.revisionism References: Subject: Re: Ben Cramer shown to be the fool yet again Lines: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="windows-1250"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1365 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1365 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 75.35.96.226 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com 1195266794 ST000 75.35.96.226 (Fri, 16 Nov 2007 21:33:14 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 21:33:14 EST Organization: AT&T http://yahoo.sbc.com X-UserInfo1: OX[SCW[DVBSSP_@YMZJ\_Q\@TJ_ZTB\MV@BT]UEK@YUDUWYAKVUOPCW[ML\JXUCKVFDYZKBMSFX^OMSAFNTINTDDMVW[X\THOPXZRVOCJTUTPC\_JSBVX\KAOTBAJBVMZTYAKMNLDI_MFDSSOLXINH__FS^\WQGHGI^C@E[A_CF\AQLDQ\BTMPLDFNVUQ_VM Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 21:30:58 -0500 "Eugene Holman" wrote in message news:holman-FDAA61.19393215112007@news.helsinki.fi... > In article , > "snow" wrote: > >> As far as 9/11 and Pentagon and planes. it has nothing to do with >> revisionism > > I think that it does. Revisionism in its widest sense is to reject > established mainstream interpretations of events and accept the theories > of messianic whackos like Fred Leuchter. The Leuchter Report seemingly > debunks all other evidence to the contrary about the Holocaust, just as > Dr. Pelletiere's military intelligence debunks all evidence to the > contrary that Iraq carried out the Halabja attack and the lack of > visible wing or rudder impact damage in the Pentagon debunks all > evidence to the contrary that an American Airlines B 757 crashed into > the bulding and exploded on September 11. > >> and my understanding is that you are trying to show Mr. Cramer >> as a person who jumps on controversy theories first. > > First and without giving them any serious thought or analysis. That > would not disturb me in the least if he did not call me "dishonest", > "closed-mindeded", and "deceitful" for not supporting him and calling > for more careful analysis before accepting such far-fetched > interpretations. > >> As for the gassing of >> Kurds, intelligence reports and the blame game. I just want to say that >> it >> is necessary to gather your knowledge from many different sources, not >> just >> American media and American news agencies as they have their own agenda >> of >> portraying the news in particular manner. > > Note that I am writing from Finland... Since I don't know what party (left or right) rules Finland, I can only hope that Finland's mass media and news outlets are not under Zionist influence or conservative influence and Finland's board of education approves books that are unbiased with neutral point of view. From my experience with American media production, I had noticed that most of movies and documentaries produced and shown in USA often put Poles in very negative light. It is my understanding that Jews still think of Poles as of second grade human beings just as Nazi's did. I had noticed a lot of inconsistencies and misrepresentation of Poles and Poland when it comes to WW2 or holocaust documentaries. Often it is not mentioned that Nazis attacked Poland because of Danzig, instead the viewer is often left with the impression that Nazi's attacked Poland because they wanted to eliminate the Jews. Also often I hear that Auschwitz and other work camps were Polish, which is not the case. American media lost credibility with me long time ago, yet many people watch it and believe it. I don't know if you ever get to watch CNN and FOX news coverage of the Iraq war. They show the most irrelevant footage while never mentioning the real news and events that can be watched on non-English speaking media outlets. > >> Dr. Pelletier or Dr. Gosden, both >> seem to be involved in political ideology and both would have an agenda >> by >> providing the public with sided view of point. > > Agreed. Nevertheless, Dr. Gosden has emerged as an internationally > recognized and respected authority on the Halabja massacre, while Dr. > Pelletier is generally dismissed as a being at best naïve and most > probably a crackpot. Cramers main objection to Dr. Christine Gosden is > that he considers her to be a "yid bloke" and thus pat of the world-wide > conspiracy. > >> That is why it is important >> to gather your information from sources other than English speaking and >> to >> be able to read between the lines or be able to see politically charged >> statements. I am blessed with knowing English, Yiddish, Polish, Russian >> and >> Ukrainians therefore I am able to read and absorb knowledge of events >> from >> different perspectives. > > I do indeed gather my information from other than English sources. I > read the quality Finnish, Swedish, Russian, Estonian, German, American, > and British press every day, and can read primary sources in these and > several other languages. > >> It is obvious that the reason behind this post as the subject line >> explains >> is to show Mr. Cramer in negative light because of his past statements. >> Even >> though information provided by Mr. Cramer is controversial, he is not to >> be >> blamed for articles written by others. > > Agreed. He is, however, not only to be blamed but also to be severely > rebuked for hurling invective at people and even making concerted > efforts to silence those who do not agree with his take on things. > > Were you participating in the group when he tried to argue that the > Wannsee Conference Protocol has been mistranslated by the Jews and > neither says or implies anything about a program to exterminate the Jews > of Europe. When pressed to produce evidence of mistranslation, the best > he could do was state that a German-born acquaintance of his claims that > the language of the original reads awkwardly and was possibly not > written by a person whose first language was German. He has also claimed > that German is so complex and has so many nuances that no native speaker > of English could possibly master it or capture the true meaning of a > text written in it. When several readers of the group, myself included, > told him that we have academic training as specialists in German, have > lived in Germany, and have worked as translators from German into > English, he just called us names, accused us of lying, and said that we > could not possibly be able to make more informed comments about a German > text written more than 60 years ago than his German-born acquaintance. > He replied with a stream of invective when we requested to be put in > contact with the acquaintance and refused to discuss it any more. He > claims that he invested a substantial amount of money trying to have the > Wannsee Conference Protocol retranslated by an Australian translation > agency, but when they realized what a hot potato the text was, they > upped the price, probably at the instigation of the "stinky yids", > beyond his threshold of pain and he canceled the deal without, however, > sharing even a sentence of what the preliminary translation had produced > with us. > > Regards, > Eugene Holman I wasn't participating in the group at the time when allegedly Mr. Cramer argued about mistranslation of Wannsee Conference Protocol. Personally I'd like to see the quotes in original language without third party translation, doesn't matter how good or certified someone is. It is true that different languages have different meanings or similar wording or same words could mean different things. From snowonweb@hotmail.com Sun Nov 18 16:00:42 EST 2007 Article: 1227033 of alt.revisionism Xref: sn-us alt.revisionism:1227033 Path: sn-us!sn-feed-sjc-02!sn-xt-sjc-11!sn-xt-sjc-09!sn-xt-sjc-13!supernews.com!newshub.sdsu.edu!newscon04.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!newsdst01.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com.POSTED!584e53d9!not-for-mail From: "snow" Newsgroups: alt.revisionism References: <9RZ_i.6920$TR5.6122@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com> <13jrlqrgpij03e4@corp.supernews.com> Subject: Re: Some questions for old man McVay Lines: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="windows-1250"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1365 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1365 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 75.35.96.226 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com 1195265463 ST000 75.35.96.226 (Fri, 16 Nov 2007 21:11:03 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 21:11:03 EST Organization: AT&T http://yahoo.sbc.com X-UserInfo1: OX[SCW[DVBSSP_@YMZJ\_Q\@TJ_ZTB\MV@BT]UEK@YUDUWYAKVUOPCW[ML\JXUCKVFDYZKBMSFX^OMSAFNTINTDDMVW[X\THOPXZRVOCJTUTPC\_JSBVX\KAOTBAJBVMZTYAKMNLDI_MFDSSOLXINH__FS^\WQGHGI^C@E[A_CF\AQLDQ\BTMPLDFNVUQ_VM Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 21:08:47 -0500 "Kenneth McVay OBC" wrote in message news:13jrlqrgpij03e4@corp.supernews.com... > In article , > Leading Revisionist Suckybaby Scott snow wrote: > > [Philip Matthews wrote...] > >>> No they don't. They know that halfwits like you come and go. >>> Unfortunately >>> each successive generation is more stupid and ignorant than the last. >>> You >>> can't even put together a plausibly intelligent argument for your >>> denial. > >>They come and go because newsgroup Kapo Mr. McVay reports them all to >>their >>ISP. > > Let's review the bidding, shall we? Leading Revisionist Scholar Shot snow > arrived on the > scene and published a crop of lies. > > Then Leading Revisionist Liar Shot snow committed Identity Theft by > forging a legitimate > email address - one of mine. > > As both activities are illegal, and both are proscribed by Prodigy's AUP, > they were > reported to SBCBlobal. > > Leading Revisionist Scholar snow got his crooked widdle fingers slapped. > > Cry me a river, skottikins - then run away from your lies - again. You were the one crying while I was having so much fun. It was a lot of fun until you started snitching. > > Leading Revisionist Scholar snow, it would be unfair, not to mention > inconsiderate, for anyone to label you as a liar without giving you > the opportunity to respond by supporting your specious assertions > with documentary evidence. > > Question 1: > > On July 25, 2007, you made two claims, to wit: > > 1. That no one was gassed at Auschwitz or Majdanek > 2. That the "gas chamber in aushwitz were build by russians after the > so called liberation." > > Please document your claims or retract them. > > Question 2: On July 26, 2007, you wrote: > > "I am still having a problem with the myth of gassing the jews." > > Please support your assertion with documentary evidence that homocidal > gassings are a "myth." > > Question 3: > > On July 26, 2007, you claimed that, "jews come out with awards so they > could award other jews and it is all based on how much you paid and to > whom and actually has very little to do with achievements." > > Please document these claims or retract them. > > Question 4: > > On July 29, 2007, you claimed, "...McVay in one of the threads stated > that 'if you question holocaust then you are automatically anti-Semite." > > Please provide an exact Google Groups link to any article in which > I made such a statement. > > Question 5: > > In article , > > you wrote: > > "In 1931 Stromberg v. California, the Jews defended Communists' free > speech > rights. Six decades later, in R. v. Keegstra, the Jews sued to prevent the > teaching of an alternative to the Exterminationist theory known as > "Revisionism" -- and won." > > Please provide documentary evidence that Mr. Keegstra was "sued by Jews" > as > you claim, and show how the Supreme Court of Canada lied when it said: > > Mr. James Keegstra was a high school teacher in Eckville, > Alberta, from the early 1970's until his dismissal in 1982. > In 1984, Mr. Keegstra was charged under s. 319(2) (then > 281.2(2)) of the Criminal Code with unlawfully promoting > hatred against an identifiable group by communicating > anti-Semitic statements to his students. He was convicted by > a jury in a trial before McKenzie J. of the Alberta Court of > Queen's Bench. > > Mr. Keegstra's teachings attributed various evil > qualities to Jews. He thus described Jews to his pupils as > ''treacherous'', ''subversive'', ''sadistic'', > ''money-loving'', ''power hungry'' and ''child killers''. He > taught his classes that Jewish people seek to destroy > Christianity and are responsible for depressions, anarchy, > chaos, wars and revolution. According to Mr. Keegstra, Jews > ''created the Holocaust to gain sympathy'' and, in contrast > to the open and honest Christians, were said to be > deceptive, secretive and inherently evil. Mr. Keegstra > expected his students to reproduce his teachings in class > and on exams. If they failed to do so, their marks suffered. > > Prior to his trial, Mr. Keegstra applied to the Court of > Queen's Bench in Alberta for an order quashing the charge on > a number of grounds, the primary one being that s. 319(2) of > the Criminal Code unjustifiably infringed his freedom of > expression as guaranteed by s. 2(b) of the Charter. Among > the other grounds of appeal was the allegation that the > defence of truth found in s. 319(3)(a) of the Code violates > the Charter's presumption of innocence. The application was > dismissed by Quigley J., and Mr. Keegstra was thereafter > tried and convicted. He then appealed his conviction to the > Alberta Court of Appeal, raising the same Charter issues. > The Court of Appeal unanimously accepted his argument, and > it is from this judgment that the Crown appeals. > > The Attorneys-General of Canada, Quebec, Ontario, > Manitoba and New Brunswick, the Canadian Jewish Congress, > Interamicus, the League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith, > Canada, and the Women's Legal Education and Action Fund > (L.E.A.F.) have intervened in this appeal in support of the > Crown. The Canadian Civil Liberties Association has > intervened in support of striking down the impugned > legislation. > > Question 6: > > In article , you wrote: > > "Why is it that most if not all Holocaust supporting articles are written > by > Jews or are sponsored by Jewish organization." > > Please prove your claim by providing data which supports it. List all > "Holocaust > supporting" articles and document the Jewish background of the authors. > > Question 7: > > On July 30, 2007, you wrote: > > "...it was actually American Jews that sold iron and oil to Nazi > Germany by using Sweden as a proxy since American jews couldn't > deal directly with Nazi Germany. > > "Sweden banks that financed it were run by Jews, as well as proxy > companies that were setup by jewish bank owners. Swedish people > didn't have a clue what was being done behind their backs." > > Please document these assertions, naming the "American Jews" > involved and the Swedish banks that were "setup by Jewish bank > owners." > > Question 8: > > On July 31, 2007, you asked, "Why is it that most if not all Holocaust > supporting > articles are written by Jews or are sponsored by Jewish organization." > > Please provide the data upon which you based these assertions. Include a > comprehensive list of "Holocaust supporting articles " and their > authors, > and show how each article is either written by a Jew or "sponsored by > Jewish organizations." > > Question 9: > > On August 1, 2007, you wrote, "[Wikipedia] is edited by members > who choose to exaggerate their own race or religion, and jews are > the forefront of such edits." > > Please document your claims - particularly the one about the Jews > being in the "forefront of such edits." > > Question 10: > > On August 5, 2007, you wrote: > >>Ken's website on Majdanek says 1.5 jews killed >>http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/camps/maidanek/ > > ...and... > >>KEN IS LYING!!! to put the holocaust in the best light so people would >>associate the word HOLOCAUST with the JEWS and WW2 so then JEWS could cash >>in on HOLOCAUST by producing books, interviews, movies (all are tools of >>propaganda) > > Let's visit http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/ and see what we > find, shall we? > > In http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/commission-07, we find the > Polish > Commission (not Nizkor) saying, "The Polish-Soviet Extraordinary > Commission finds that during the four years the Majdanek Extermination > Camp was in existence the Hitlerite butchers, on the direct orders of > their criminal government, exterminated by means of wholesale shooting > and wholesale asphyxiation in gas chambers of about one million five > hundred thousand persons-Soviet prisoners of war, prisoners of war of > the former Polish army, and civilians of different nationalities, such > as Poles, Frenchmen, Italians, Belgians, Netherlanders, > Czechs, Serbs, Greeks, Croatians and a vast number of Jews." > > In http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/ftp.py?camps/maidanek/maidanek.01 > we find Snyder, who wrote "It is estimated that 1.5 million inmates > were gassed at Maidanek." > > (Snyder does NOT, the assertions of Leading Revisionist Scholar snow > notwithstanding, claim that all the victims were Jewish - that is, > he is lying - again.) > > The same archive cites Davidowitz (1,380,000 dead) and Sachar > (500,000 dead), while the IFZ is quoted as saying that 50,000 *Jews* > were murdered there. > > The Encyclopedia of the Holocaust is then cited, in a piece on Majdanek > written by > Lublin University's Zygmunt Mankowski, who wrote "close to 500,000 passed > through. Of those, according to current (1990) estimates, 360,000 died, > sixty percent from camp conditions, and forty percent from gassing, > hanging, > or being shot." > > Mankowski does not, contrary to your blather, claim that all the victims > were Jews. > > Now we get to the spot where NIZKOR says something, to wit: > > "I suspect it may be impossible to determine the numbers, but this article > (EoH) struck me as reasonable, if for no other reason its mention of the > transport records and the trials, plus the bibliographic data. I'd > appreciate it if someone would check the earlier sources cited to > determine > if any orignial source is offered, and get back to us." > >>KEN IS LYING!!! to put the holocaust in the bet light so people would >>associate the word HOLOCAUST with the JEWS and WW2 so then JEWS could cash >>in on HOLOCAUST by producing books, interviews, movies (all are tools of >>propaganda) > > Please retract your lies, Leading Revisionist Scholar snow, > now tha they have been exposed. > > Question 11: > > In article , on August 15, > 2007, you authored an article which claimed, quote, "Kenneth McVay a > pedophile and a child molester who molested his own daughter..." > > Please document when and where any of my children have > made such statements or admit you cannot. > > Question 12: > > In article , posted on > August 15, 2007, you made the following allegation: > > "NIZKOR's self appointed director Ken McVay involved in tax fraud." > > Document your allegation that I am involved in tax fraud, or retract it. > > If you believe that someone has committed such an offense, by all > means report to the federal authorites post haste. Not doing so is, > in and of itself, a crime. > > -- > "Streicher commit suicide while in the Nuremberg Jail But you > people did hang him after that" > (Kurt Knoll, Kitimat, B.C.'s Leading Revisionist Moron) > The Nizkor Project: http://www.nizkor.org/ From snowonweb@hotmail.com Sun Nov 18 16:00:43 EST 2007 Article: 1227106 of alt.revisionism Xref: sn-us alt.revisionism:1227106 Path: sn-us!sn-feed-sjc-03!sn-xt-sjc-11!sn-xt-sjc-07!sn-xt-sjc-12!supernews.com!nntp.csufresno.edu!tethys.csu.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!newscon04.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!newsdst01.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com.POSTED!584e53d9!not-for-mail From: "snow" Newsgroups: alt.revisionism References: <67c89509-3722-4c58-808d-4f098169ebd2@v4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Not a single autopsied body has been shown to have been gassed. Lines: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1365 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1365 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 75.35.96.226 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com 1195341683 ST000 75.35.96.226 (Sat, 17 Nov 2007 18:21:23 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 18:21:23 EST Organization: AT&T http://yahoo.sbc.com X-UserInfo1: [[PGG[GGGZUUB\H]]RKB_UDAZZ\DPCPDLXUNNHLHQAVTUZ]CLNTCPFK[WDXDHV[K^FCGJCJLPF_D_NCC@FUG^Q\DINVAXSLIFXYJSSCCALP@PB@\OS@BITWAH\CQZKJMMD^SJA^NXA\GVLSRBD^M_NW_F[YLVTWIGAXAQBOATKBBQRXECDFDMQ\DZFUE@\JM Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 18:19:00 -0500 "perfumeTheMovie" wrote in message news:67c89509-3722-4c58-808d-4f098169ebd2@v4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... > This is a very interesting article, although most of you have probably > read it. Quite long. > > http://www.germarrudolf.com/work/Flyer.html > THE HOLOCAUST > CONTROVERSY > > The Case For Open Debate > > An Introduction > THE CONTEMPORARY ISSUE > > Is asking questions a crime? If you develop doubts about the > Holocaust, isn't the only way to get rid of these doubts by asking > questions? A lot of individuals and groups are enraged by those who > ask critical questions about the Holocaust. These doubters, who call > themselves Revisionists, are often defamed as "Holocaust deniers." > > Every other historical issue is debated as a matter of course, > but influential pressure groups have made the Holocaust story an > exception. Anyone should be encouraged to investigate critically the > Holocaust story in the same way they are encouraged to investigate > every other historical event. This is not a radical point of view. The > culture of critique was developed millennia ago by Greek philosophers > like Socrates, and was renewed centuries ago during the Enlightenment. > > THE HISTORICAL ISSUE > > Revisionists agree with establishment historians that the > German National Socialist State singled out the Jewish people for > special and cruel treatment. In addition to viewing Jews in the > framework of traditional anti-Semitism, the National Socialists also > saw them as being an influential force behind international communism > and behind the so-called international "finance capital," which they > held responsible for the worldwide economic crisis and for the > impoverishment of German workers. During World War II, Jews were > considered to be enemies of the German State and a potential danger to > its war efforts, much like the Germans, Italians, and Japanese were > viewed in the U.S. Consequently, Jews were stripped of their rights, > forced to live in ghettos, conscripted for labor, deprived of their > property, deported, and otherwise mistreated. Many tragically > perished. > > In contrast to establishment historians, Revisionists claim > that the German State had NO policy to exterminate the Jewish people > (or anyone else) in homicidal gas chambers or by killing them through > abuse or neglect. Revisionists also maintain that the figure of six > million Jewish deaths is an irresponsible exaggeration, and that no > execution gas chambers existed in any camp in Europe which was under > German control. Fumigation gas chambers, both stationary and mobile, > did exist to delouse clothing and equipment to prevent disease at POW, > labor, and concentration camps and at the fighting front. It is highly > likely that it was from this lifesaving procedure that the myth of > extermination gas chambers emerged. > > Revisionists generally hold that the Allied governments, and > in particular the Soviets, decided to carry their wartime "black > propaganda" of German monstrosities over into the postwar period. This > was done for essentially three reasons. 1. The Allies felt it > necessary to continue to justify the great sacrifices that were made > in fighting two world wars. 2. The Allies wanted to divert attention > from, and to justify, their own particularly brutal crimes against > humanity. Soviet atrocities alone caused the death of uncounted > millions of civilians in the Soviet Union and in all countries of > eastern and central Europe. American and British saturation bombings > of German and Japanese cities causing over a million civilians to be > burned or buried alive. 3. The Allies needed justification for postwar > arrangements involving the total dismantling of German industry, a > policy of starvation causing the deaths of many millions of German > civilians, the robbing of German patents worth trillions of dollars, > and the annexation of large parts of Germany into Poland and the USSR. > These territories were not disputed borderlands but consisted of 20% > of the entire German territory. The twelve million Germans living in > these regions were robbed of their property and brutally expelled. > More than two millions perished during this most heinous ethnic > cleansing of world history. > > During the war, and in the postwar era as well, Zionist > organizations became deeply involved in creating and spreading > Holocaust stories. Their purpose was to drum up world sympathy and > support for Jewish causes, especially for the creation of the State of > Israel. Today, the Holocaust story, which is perceived as a crime of a > right-wing regime, plays an important role for leftist- > internationalist groups, for Zionist organizations, and for groups > within Jewish communities. It is the leaders of these political and > propaganda organizations who continue to work to sustain the orthodox > Holocaust legend and the myth of German monstrosity during World War > II. > > Those who claim that these interpretations are anti-Jewish are > reading into them something which simply is not there. Revisionists do > not claim that Jewish leaders or organizations did anything in the war > and postwar era which the Allied Governments themselves did not do. > > For those who believe that the Nuremberg Trials revealed the > truth about German war crimes, it is a terrible shock to discover that > the then Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court, Harlan Fiske Stone, > described the Nuremberg court as "a high-grade lynching party" for > Germans (Alpheus T. Mason, Harlan Fiske Stone: Pillar of the Law, New > York: Viking, 1956, p. 716). > > The Photographs > > We've all seen "The Photographs." Endlessly. Newsreel photos > taken by U.S. and British photographers at the liberation of the > German camps, and especially the awful scenes at Dachau, Buchenwald, > and Bergen-Belsen. For instance, look at the one at the top of this > leaflet. These photos and films are usually presented in a way in > which it is either stated or implied that the scenes resulted from > deliberate German policies. The photographs are real, but their > interpretation is false. > > Even mainstream historians admit that there was no German > policy at any of those camps to kill the internees. In the last months > of the war, while Soviet armies were invading Germany from the east, > British and U.S. bombers were destroying every major city in Germany > with saturation bombing. Transportation, the food distribution system, > medical, and sanitation services all broke down. That was the purpose > of these air raids, which was the most barbaric form of warfare in > Europe since the Mongol invasion. > > Millions of refugees fleeing the Soviet armies were pouring > into central and western Germany. As a result of the ongoing war, of > starvation, and epidemics, millions of civilians were dying all over > Germany. The camps were not exempted from this tragedy. Camps that > were still under German control were overcrowded with internees > evacuated from the east. By early 1945, these inmates suffered from > malnutrition and epidemics like typhus and cholera, to which many > succumbed. When the press entered the camps with British and U.S. > soldiers, they found the results of that. They took "The Photographs." > > Still, at camps such as Buchenwald, Dachau, and Bergen-Belsen > tens of thousands of relatively healthy internees were liberated. They > were there in the camps when "The Photographs" were taken. There are > newsreels of these internees walking through the camp streets laughing > and talking. Others picture exuberant internees throwing their caps in > the air and cheering their liberators. It is only natural to ask why > you haven't seen those particular films and photos while you've seen > the others hundreds of times. > > Documents > > It is often claimed that there are "tons" of captured German > documents proving the Jewish genocide. When challenged on this, > however, only a handful of documents are produced, the authenticity or > interpretation of which is highly questionable. If pressed for > reliable documentation, it is then claim that the Germans destroyed > all the relevant documents to hide their evil deeds, or the absurd > claim is made that the Germans used code language, whispered verbal > orders, or conveyed orders through a meeting of minds. > > As a matter of fact, all available documentation and material > traces indicate that there was no order for a mass murder of Jews, no > plan, no budget, no weapon--that is, no gas chamber--and no victim--that > is, not a single autopsied body has been shown to have been gassed. > > Eyewitness Testimony > > During medieval witch trials, many witnesses told similar > accounts about broom-riding witches and the devil. Since most > statements were made independently of each other and without pressure, > this was taken as evidence that the stories must be true; material > evidence was never produced. "Common knowledge," a word invented in > those days, and social expectations formed the basis of these > accounts, not the truth. > > Today, we face the same "common knowledge" produced by 60 > years of one-sided mass media propaganda and massive social and > sometimes even legal pressure to conform to certain views. To support > their theories, anti-Revisionists depend almost exclusively on > "eyewitness" testimony produced in this poisoned atmosphere. > > During the war crimes trials many "eyewitnesses" testified > that Germans made soap out of human fat and lamp shades from human > skin. Allied prosecutors even produced evidence to support these > charges. For decades, highly respected scholars at the most > prestigious universities in the world sanctioned these stories, > leading us to believe that such stories were "irrefutable truths." But > within time, many such stories have become untenable: In 1990, Yehuda > Bauer, director of Holocaust studies at Hebrew University, Tel Aviv, > admitted: "The Nazis never made soap from Jews..." (Jerusalem Post, Int. > Ed., 5 May 1990, p. 6). > > Bruno Baum, a former communist inmate in Auschwitz, was > allowed to brag in summer 1945 in a Soviet newspaper: "The whole > propaganda which started about Auschwitz abroad was initiated by us > [German communist inmates] with the help of our Polish > comrades." (Deutsche Volkszeitung, Soviet paper in occupied East > Germany, 31 July 1945). Thus, it is not surprising to learn that > during several trials in Germany, it emerged that the testimony of > witnesses from eastern Europe had been orchestrated by communist > authorities. > > During a trial against an alleged former camp guard in > Jerusalem, even the Israeli court had to admit that all witness > testimony was not credible, which resulted in the defendant's > acquittal. > > The only two witnesses who were ever cross-examined had to > admit in 1985 that their accounts were not true: Arnold Friedman > confessed of never having experienced what he had claimed, and Rudolf > Vrba admitted of having used poetic license to "embellish" his > statements. Vrba is one of the most famous Auschwitz witnesses. > However, once asked if all claims Vrba had made about Auschwitz in the > famous movie Shoa were true, Vrba replied: "I do not know. I was just > an actor and I recited my text." He told this with a sardonic smile to > his Jewish friend Georg Klein (G. Klein, Pietà, Stockholm, p. 141). > > During and after the war there were "eyewitnesses" to mass > gassings at Buchenwald, Bergen-Belsen, Dachau, and other camps in > Germany proper. Today, virtually all recognized scholars dismiss this > testimony as false. > > Establishment historians, however, still claim that mass > gassings happened at several camps in Poland. The evidence for this > claim is, in reality, qualitatively no different to the false > testimony and evidence for the alleged mass gassings at the camps in > Germany proper. > > With regard to confessions by Germans at war crimes trials, it > is now well documented that many were obtained through coercion, > intimidation, and even physical torture, just like during the medieval > witch trials. > > Auschwitz > > In 1990, the Auschwitz State Museum revised the old propaganda > claim of four million murdered humans down to one million--base not > upon facts, but upon estimates! In 1994, a French scholar reduced this > figure further down to less than 700,000, and in 2002, another > mainstream Holocaust scholar reduced the Auschwitz death toll to > 500,000--again not based on facts, but on "estimates." > > The Auschwitz Museum has put on display piles of hair, boots, > and eyeglasses, etc., but there is neither evidence for the origin of > these items nor for the fate of their former owners. While such > displays are effective propaganda, they are worthless as historical > artifacts. > > In a videotaped interview, the Auschwitz Museum authorities > admitted that the gas chamber shown to tourists is a "reconstruction," > again not based on facts, but only on unverified eyewitness claims. > The Museum's tourist guides, however, tell visitors that all they see > is genuine... > > Whereas some mainstream scholars claim that the Auschwitz > crematories, whose morgues supposedly served as gas chambers, were the > "absolute center" in the "geography of atrocities," other mainstream > scholars claim that the mass murder did not take place in those > crematories, but elsewhere. Revisionist, however, want certainty, not > speculations and estimates. > > Jewish Population Losses During World War II > > Only two monographs were written so far on the question of how > many Jews lost their lives during World War II. The first is a > revisionist book concluding that some 300,000 perished. The second is > authored by several recognized historians claiming that some six > million died. Whereas the Revisionist book takes into consideration > demographic changes of the Jewish population in all countries, the > mainstream book compiles its figures by simply subtracting the number > of Jews alive in Europe a few years after the war from those alive in > Europe several years before the war. It ignores that the Jewish > population in America, Israel, and other countries outside of Europe > had increased by almost six million in this period of time, as a > result of a new Exodus. Thus, those who had left Europe were simply > declared to be Holocaust victims. > > The Hidden Genocide > > Those who promote the Holocaust story complain that "the whole > world" was indifferent to the genocide which allegedly was occurring > in German occupied Europe. They claim that this was due to some great > moral flaw in the nature of Western man, or that people did not > realize the enormity of what was happening. It is true that the world > responded with indifference. But perhaps it was because they did not > believe it. > > It is certain that if there had been "killing factories" in > Poland murdering millions of civilians, then the Red Cross, the Pope, > humanitarian agencies, the Allied governments, neutral governments, > and prominent figures such as Roosevelt, Truman, Churchill, > Eisenhower, and many others would have known about it and would have > often and unambiguously mentioned it, and condemned it. They did not! > The promoters admit that only a tiny group of individuals believed the > story at that time--many of whom were connected either with Jewish or > with Communist propaganda agencies. The rise of the Holocaust story > reads more like the success story of a PR campaign than anything else. > > Winston Churchill wrote his six volume work The Second World > War without mentioning a program of mass-murder and genocide. In his > book Crusade in Europe, Dwight D. Eisenhower also failed to mention > gas chambers. Was the weapon used to murder millions of Jews unworthy > of a passing reference? Was our future president being insensitive to > Jews? > > Examples of Propaganda > > During and after the First World War, that is between 1916 and > the late 1920s, mainly American Jewish organizations were claiming > that six million Jews(!) would suffer terribly in poverty stricken > Eastern Europe. In this context, it was claimed that eastern European > Jewry would face a Holocaust if they did not receive massive funding. > With such propaganda, millions of dollars were raised in the United > States, which at the end were mainly used to finance the Soviet > revolution in Russia. > > On 22 March 1916, that is during the First World War, the > British newspaper The Daily Telegraph published an article falsely > claiming that the Germans had murdered 700,000 Serbs in gas chambers. > On 25 May 1942, that is during the Second World War, the same > newspaper reported that the Germans had murdered 700,000 Jews in > Poland in gas chambers. > > How can we tell that the second story is true, if we know that > the first is a lie? In 1944, the British Government asked the British > media and churches to help spread anti-German propaganda, which it had > been putting out already for a while, in order to distract from the > atrocities it expected to be committed by the Soviets as soon as they > invade Germany. In its circular, the British government expressed its > regret that, after the exposure of WWI propaganda lies, greater > efforts would be necessary to succeed this time. > > POLITICAL CORRECTNESS AND REVISIONISM > > Many people are bewildered when they first hear Holocaust > Revisionist arguments. The arguments appear to make sense, but "How is > it possible?" The whole world believes the Holocaust story. It's just > not plausible that so great a conspiracy to suppress the truth could > have functioned more than half a century. > > To understand how it could very well have happened, one needs > only to reflect on the intellectual and political orthodoxies of > medieval Europe, or those of National Socialist Germany or the > Communist-bloc countries. In all of these societies the great majority > of scholars were caught up in the existing political culture. > Committed to a prevailing ideology and its interpretation of reality, > these scholars and intellectuals felt it was their right, and even > their duty, to protect every aspect of that ideology. They did so by > oppressing the "evil" dissidents who expressed "offensive" or > "dangerous" ideas. In everyone of those societies, scholars became the > "Thought Police." > > In our own society, in the debate over the question of > political correctness, there are those who deliberately attempt to > trivialize the issues. They claim that there is no real problem with > freedom of speech in our society, and that all that is involved with > PC are a few rules which would defend minorities from those who would > hurt their feelings. There is, of course, a deeper and more serious > aspect to the problem. In American society today there is a wide range > of ideas and viewpoints which the mass media will not allow to be > discussed openly. Even obvious facts and realities, when they are > politically unacceptable, are denied and suppressed. One can learn > much about the psychology and methods of the Thought Police by > watching how they react when just one of their taboos is broken and > Holocaust Revisionism is given a public forum. > > First they express outrage that such "offensive" and > "dangerous" ideas were allowed to be expressed publicly. They avoid > answering or debating these ideas, claiming that to do so would give > the Revisionists a forum and legitimacy. Then they make vicious > personal attacks against the Revisionist heretics, calling them > political names such as "hater," "denier," "anti-Semite," "racist," > "terrorist," or "neo-Nazi," even suggesting that they are potential > mass murderers. They publicly accuse the Revisionists of lying, but > they don't allow the dissenters to hear the specific charge against > them or to face their accusers so that they can answer this slander. > > Revisionists are frequently accused of being hate filled > people who are promoting a doctrine of hatred. But Revisionism is a > scholarly process, not a doctrine or an ideology. If the Holocaust > promoters really want to expose hatred, they should take a second look > at their own doctrines, and a long look at themselves in the mirror. > > Anyone who invites a Revisionist to speak publicly is himself > attacked for being insensitive. When Revisionists do speak publicly, > they are regularly shouted down and threatened. Libraries and > bookstores face intimidation when they consider handling Holocaust > revisionist materials. All this goes on while the majority of library, > media, college, and university administrators sit silently by, > allowing political activists to determine what can be said in the > media and read in libraries. > > Next, the Thought Police set out to destroy the transgressor > professionally and financially by "getting" him at his job or > concocting a lawsuit against him. It is sometimes often deceptively > claimed that Revisionist scholarship has been proven false during a > trial, though courts of law can never decide any scholarly debates; > they can only impose dogmas. > > Finally, the Thought Police will inevitably "straighten out" > that segment of academia or media that allowed the Revisionists a > forum in the first place. > > Some administrators in academia hold that university > administrations should take action to rid the campus of ideas which > are disruptive to universities. This is an open invitation to tyranny. > It means that any militant group with "troops at the ready" can rid > the campus of ideas it opposes and then impose its own orthodoxy. > Coward administrators might find it much easier and safer to rid the > campus of controversial ideas than to face down a group of screaming > militants. But it is the duty of university administrators to insure > that our universities remain a free marketplace of ideas. When ideas > cause disruptions, it is the disrupters who must be subdued, not the > ideas. > > CONCLUSION > > The influence of Holocaust Revisionism is growing steadily > both here and abroad. In the United States, Revisionism was launched > in earnest in 1977 with the publication of the book The Hoax of the > Twentieth Century by Arthur R. Butz. Professor Butz teaches electrical > engineering and computer sciences at Northwestern University in > Evanston, Illinois. > > Those who take up the Revisionist cause represent a wide > spectrum of political and philosophical positions. They are certainly > not the scoundrels, liars, and demons the anti-Revisionists try to > make them out to be. The fact is, there are no demons in the real > world. People are at their worst when they begin to see their > opponents as an embodiment of evil, and then begin to demonize them. > Such people are quite prepared to harm their opponents. The logic of > their argument is that you can do anything you want to a demon. We > should not allow such a logic to prevail. > > If you wish to learn more about Holocaust revisionism, we > recommend our free brochure with answers to the most frequently asked > questions and links to articles and entire books available on this > topic. Those wishing to verify the truthfulness of the statements made > above, can visit our vast Internet database at www.vho.org and > download many scholarly articles and books about this topic, including > many references to primary sources, forensic research, and much > more. > > Download this leaflet for free in legal size for free > printing, copying, distribution, or order a printed version of this > flyer from our UK Store | from our US Store: packages of 100 copies > for $15.- > > > > Castle Hill Publishers > > USA: PO Box 257768 > Chicago, IL 60625 > Fax: ++1(773) 409-5570 > > > UK: PO Box 118 > Hastings, TN34 3ZQ > Fax: ++44 (8701) 387263 > > chporder@vho.org; www.vho.org > > Back to Germar Rudolf's Views and Works > Back to Home Page of Germar Rudolf That is odd that not a single autopsied body has been shown to have been gassed. We all know that many bodies were cremated but there were some bodies that were buried so they should have signs of gassing but yet it hasn't been found yet. Also with time the chance of finding a body that is not decomposed enough so the test will become inconclusive is very small. Perhaps nobody is looking for such evidence and perhaps it is intentionally done so later it could be claimed that mass graves of bodies are so decomposed that no test in the world will be able to prove if the reason for death was gassing. From snowonweb@hotmail.com Sun Nov 18 16:00:46 EST 2007 Article: 1227110 of alt.revisionism Xref: sn-us alt.revisionism:1227110 soc.culture.jewish:1794713 soc.culture.israel:1654587 soc.culture.usa:2058759 soc.history:228585 Path: sn-us!sn-feed-sjc-02!sn-xt-sjc-11!sn-xt-sjc-09!sn-xt-sjc-13!supernews.com!newshub.sdsu.edu!newscon04.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!newsdst01.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com.POSTED!584e53d9!not-for-mail From: "snow" Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.usa,soc.history References: Subject: Re: It's all a bit strange - Documents and testimony on yid war criminals Lines: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1365 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1365 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 75.35.96.226 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com 1195342239 ST000 75.35.96.226 (Sat, 17 Nov 2007 18:30:39 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 18:30:39 EST Organization: AT&T http://yahoo.sbc.com X-UserInfo1: [[PAPDCA[S@GB^@[AZKLNFXBWR\HPCTL@XT^OBPLAH[\RWYAKVUOPCW[ML\JXUCKVFDYZKBMSFX^OMSAFNTINTDDMVW[X\THOPXZRVOCJTUTPC\_JSBVX\KAOTBAJBVMZTYAKMNLDI_MFDSSOLXINH__FS^\WQGHGI^C@E[A_CF\AQLDQ\BTMPLDFNVUQ_VM Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 18:28:19 -0500 "B'enjamin C'ramer" wrote in message news:bvqdnXyNrsnXAKDanZ2dnUVZ_q6mnZ2d@giganews.com... > The holocaust victims accuse - Documents and testimony on Jewish war > criminals > > Rabbi Moshe Shonfeld has written a hard-hitting book, one that > inadvertently undermines many of the canons of modern Holocaust education. > Never one to use euphemisms for the main murderers, he always calls Nazis > by their correct name-the Germans. He attributes the low levels of > anti-Semitism in the Scandinavian countries not to some uniquely > Scandinavian virtue of tolerance, but to the smallness of their Jewish > communities (p. 14). While he does repeat stereotyped criticisms of > Christians, the Vatican, etc., Shonfeld's harshest comments are directed > at fellow Jews, specifically the Zionists and secular Jews. > > Schonfeld attacks certain world Jewish organizations for what he considers > unwise actions that needlessly inflamed Hitler. He depicts the 1933 > boycott of German goods as a provocation against Hitler concocted by > Jewish nationalists and Zionists "from their safe, convenient dwellings" > (p. 7). In the same vein, he condemns Rabbi Stephen Wise and the World > Jewish Congress in New York for their declaration of war against Germany. > Schonfeld sees this as the very trigger of the Wannsee Conference, which > detailed and implemented the plans for the Final Solution itself (p. 43). > > Shonfeld condemns Jewish Zionist organizations, and the World Jewish > Congress, for their refusal to support the delivery of overseas food to > the Jews in the ghettoes (pp. 44-46). He argues that at least some of the > food did reach the intended recipients, and rejects the notion that such > aid was tantamount to breaking of the boycott against Hitler. He rejects > the common argument that such aid was tantamount to an interference with > the Allied war effort. > > Shonfeld touches on some Polish efforts to rescue Jewish leaders (pp. > 34-35) in the context of rabbis' refusal to accept deliverance while their > fellow Jews were dying. He mentions the fact that the Archbishop of Warsaw > offered an escape, to the bishop's palace, to rabbis Menachem Zemba, > Shimson Stockhamer, and Dovid Shopirobut. A similar offer was rejected by > Rabbi Y. Pinner from the bishop of Lodz. > > In common with many other writers, Schonfeld elaborates on the Jewish > collaborationist police (the kapos) and their dealings with their fellow > Jews at a level of zeal and cruelty exceeding that of the Germans (pp. > 21-22). He claims that religious Jews were absent from their ranks, and > that the collaborationist Jews had a virulent hatred of religious Jews. > Shonfeld, in reference to a Jewish religious teaching that forbids that > some Jews be allowed to be killed so that other Jews may be spared, > condemns the collaborationist actions of the Judenrat (p. 120). He singles > out Jewish leaders Merin and Moldetzky for their collaborationist actions > that resulted in the annihilation of East Silesian Jews at a more > efficient rate than at other places (p. 123). He thereby rejects the > Judenrats' rationalization of their actions as being justified by saving > some Jews by betraying others. > > Schonfeld repeatedly condemns Jewish organizations for failing to > ameliorate the Final Solution once it actually became full-blown. He > condemns Yitzchak Greenbaum for preferring a future Jewish state to the > rescue of European Jewry. He attacks Nathan Schwalb for rejecting the > efforts of Czech Jewry to have a sum of money paid to halt the transports > of Jews to Auschwitz (pp. 26-27). He states that the extermination of > Slovakian Jews had been delayed by two years as a result of Jewish bribes > (p. 77), thereby demonstrating that the German Nazis were amenable to > bribery in exchange for Jewish lives. Furthermore, western Jewish > organizations refused to pay the bribe that would have saved 70,000 > Romanian Jews (pp. 100-101). Most interesting of all, he claims that the > Germans were willing to accept bribes from Jewish organizations to spare > Hungarian Jews from the gas chambers of Auschwitz, allowing them to > emigrate to some other nation except Palestine (pp. 75-77). But the > Zionist organizations rejected these offers, even claiming that the > extermination accounts given by East European Jews were exaggerations (p. > 76)! He chides the German Jewish leader Sali Mayer for refusing to accept > the accounts of genocide directed against Jews because of his high regard > for the Germans as a civilized people "who would never do such a thing" > (p. 78). > > Schonfeld elaborates on the sundry relationship between the Jewish > collaborator Dr. Kastner and the Nazi German mass murderer Adolf Eichmann > (pp. 66-67). Schonfeld quotes from a document that charges Kastner with > knowing about the impending mass gassing of Hungarian Jews in Auschwitz, > but striking a sordid deal with Eichmann for the sparing of some favored > Jews in exchange for Kastner's silence. The deal included a hefty payment, > which Eichmann later used to escape to Argentina. > > Schonfeld condemns the Jewish guerilla leader Abba Kovner for saving, from > the Vilna ghetto, only a few of his chosen men, even though initially the > thinking was that many young Jews would be saved, based on the notion that > they were the future of the nation. Kovner is accused of callously > refusing aid to various fugitive Jews who had sought his aid in the > surrounding forests (pp. 33-34). > > Schonfeld's book has broad-based implications. For the longest time, > Jewish sufferings have been given preeminence in the US in the form of > Holocaust education, which is mandatory in some US states. Common > arguments adduced for the virtually exclusive remembrance of the 5-6 > million murdered Jews as opposed to, for example, the 2-3 million murdered > Polish gentiles, are based on: 1) Nazi priorities, 2) The unique > irrationality of the hatred of Jews, and 3) The total annihilation of all > Jewry. Shonfeld's analysis shows that, contrary to these arguments, the > German Nazi actions against Jews were not such a priority, nor so uniquely > irrational, nor so comprehensive, that they could not at least sometimes > be reversed by the payment of bribes. Clearly, the Nazi Germans were not > necessarily nor unalterably interested in the killing of every last > possible Jew. > Great article. Indeed Schonfeld is correct about the situation of Jews during WW2 and how Zionists leaders (including Jews) refused to support victims of Nazism, especially when they refused to support Jewish victims. It sounds even worse when you consider that Zionist movement included very rich Jews. Being of same religion, Judaism and belonging to same ethnicity (Jews) it is very difficult to imagine that Zionist movement and ideology took priority over helping out their fellow brothers and sisters. I had found a great website that has many very interesting articles. www.jewsnotzionists.org From snowonweb@hotmail.com Sun Nov 18 16:00:46 EST 2007 Article: 1227115 of alt.revisionism Xref: sn-us alt.revisionism:1227115 soc.culture.jewish:1794716 soc.culture.usa:2058761 soc.history:228586 Path: sn-us!sn-feed-sjc-03!sn-xt-sjc-11!sn-xt-sjc-09!sn-xt-sjc-13!supernews.com!newshub.sdsu.edu!newscon04.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!newsdst01.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com.POSTED!584e53d9!not-for-mail From: "snow" Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.usa,soc.history References: Subject: Re: Untermeyer admits yids financed Hitler Lines: 4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1365 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1365 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 75.35.96.226 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com 1195342565 ST000 75.35.96.226 (Sat, 17 Nov 2007 18:36:05 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 18:36:05 EST Organization: AT&T http://yahoo.sbc.com X-UserInfo1: [[PAPDON_BRWSQDYZBCBNWX@RJ_XPDLMN@GZ_GYO^BTBTSUBYFWEAE[YJLYPIWKHTFCMZKVMB^[Z^DOBRVVMOSPFHNSYXVDIE@X\BUC@GTSX@DL^GKFFHQCCE\G[JJBMYDYIJCZM@AY]GNGPJD]YNNW\GSX^GSCKHA[]@CCB\[@LATPD\L@J\\PF]VR[QPJN Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 18:33:45 -0500 "B'enjamin C'ramer" wrote in message news:qIWdnbkiNcknC6DanZ2dnUVZWhednZ2d@giganews.com... > > > "Revolting as it is, it would be an interesting study in psychology to > analyze the motives, other than fear and cowardice, that have prompted > Jewish bankers to lend money to Germany as they are now doing. It is in > part > their money that is being used by the Hitler regime in its reckless, > wicked > campaign of propaganda to make the world anti-Semitic; with that money > they > have invaded Great Britain, the United States and other countries where > they > have established newspapers, subsidized agents and otherwise are spending > untold millions in spreading their infamous creed. The suggestion that > they > use that money toward paying the honest debts they have repudiated is > answered only by contemptuous sneers and silence. Meantime the infamous > campaign goes on unabated with ever increasing intensity to the > everlasting > disgrace of the Jewish bankers who are helping to finance it and of the > weaklings who are doing nothing effective to check it."-Samuel Untermeyer, > as quoted in: "Text of Untermyer's Address", The New York Times, (7 August > 1933), p. 4. > That is so true. Just imagine that any war costs a lot of money (look at present US spending for Iraq conflict), yet Nazi Germany didn't decide to print more of its own money which would destabilize and devalue Deutsch Mark, instead Nazi Germany borrowed money from banks that also financed the allies. At that time most banks were led by Jews and most banks employed many Jews who were making financial decisions. Someone had to make a decision to loan money to Germany which then Nazis spend on the war effort. That is another case on how business profits were major priority of Jewish bank leaders and Jewish decision makers, who knew the Nazi's stance on Slavs and Jews. From snowonweb@hotmail.com Sun Nov 18 16:00:47 EST 2007 Article: 1227127 of alt.revisionism Xref: sn-us alt.revisionism:1227127 soc.culture.israel:1654590 soc.history:228591 de.soc.politik.misc:933610 Path: sn-us!sn-feed-sjc-02!sn-xt-sjc-11!sn-xt-sjc-06!sn-xt-sjc-12!supernews.com!nntp.csufresno.edu!tethys.csu.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!newscon04.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!newsdst01.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com.POSTED!584e53d9!not-for-mail From: "snow" Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.culture.israel,soc.history,de.soc.politik.misc References: <2f337fb3-a9fa-426a-919b-5cec2e1643a7@w34g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: The Hebes wanted, provoked, promoted and engineered WWII Lines: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="windows-1250"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1365 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1365 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 75.35.96.226 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com 1195343471 ST000 75.35.96.226 (Sat, 17 Nov 2007 18:51:11 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 18:51:11 EST Organization: AT&T http://yahoo.sbc.com X-UserInfo1: [[PAPDCA[S@GB^@[AZKLNFXBWR\HPCTL@XT^OBPLAH[\RWYAKVUOPCW[ML\JXUCKVFDYZKBMSFX^OMSAFNTINTDDMVW[X\THOPXZRVOCJTUTPC\_JSBVX\KAOTBAJBVMZTYAKMNLDI_MFDSSOLXINH__FS^\WQGHGI^C@E[A_CF\AQLDQ\BTMPLDFNVUQ_VM Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 18:48:51 -0500 "Kurt Knoll" wrote in message news:PFe%i.1010$cD.703@pd7urf2no... > Here you are lying again. Who did decide to take part of Germany and give > it to the Poles and Czech's. Who did harass the German population in > Poland. Who did constantly shoot at the Germans that did travel to Danzig > now called Gdansk. Was it not the British who befriended themselves with > the poles. It was the poles who did all the provoking knowing dam well > the British would com for help. The British wanted war at any cost and by > manipulation did so. > > Kurt Knoll. That is something a Polish Education System doesn't teach any Poles (at least didn't when went through the educational system in Poland), therefore I don't know how correct the information is. I could see though how Poles would be unfriendly to Germans, especially in North West region where lies Danzig. As far as British help goes, as we all know now, it was all talk but no action, French did the same thing. It is known as Western betrayal http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_betrayal . At that time Brits and French sold some old weapons to Poles and of course gave Poles the courage to harass German ethnic people living in Danzig area. I am not sure how deeply were Jews involved in action preceding WW2 but without Jewish financial backing and manipulation (economic boycott of Germany) WW2 would be a less severe conflict that perhaps could be only limited to Poland/Germany. Perhaps if Poles gave up Danzig, WW2 would not happen and Red Army wouldn't invade. One thing is for sure, that decisions made by Jewish Zionist leaders who saw profit as their priority led to what we now know as WORLD WAR 2. Zionists vs. Communists (both ideologies had many Jewish leaders and Jewish decision makers) > > "Philip Mathews" wrote in message > news:2f337fb3-a9fa-426a-919b-5cec2e1643a7@w34g2000hsg.googlegroups.com... >> On Nov 15, 11:08 pm, "B'enjamin C'ramer" >> wrote: >> >>> Don't suppose any of you hebes or shabbos goy Holocaust(tm) Industry >>> shills >>> would care to comment on these outtakes? >> >> Here's my comment, stupid. >> >> How did Jews get Hitler to launch a war against Poland, with the >> intention of significantly emptying and occupying it for "living >> space" for the future German empire, attack almost a dozen other >> European countries, and even attack his ally the Soviet Union? >> >> Tell us all about it Cramer Infection. >> >> -- >> Philip Mathews >> >> > > From snowonweb@hotmail.com Sun Nov 18 16:00:47 EST 2007 Article: 1227138 of alt.revisionism Xref: sn-us alt.revisionism:1227138 Path: sn-us!sn-feed-sjc-03!sn-xt-sjc-11!sn-xt-sjc-08!sn-xt-sjc-12!supernews.com!nntp.csufresno.edu!tethys.csu.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!newscon04.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!newsdst01.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com.POSTED!584e53d9!not-for-mail From: "snow" Newsgroups: alt.revisionism References: <1195032370.431676.43360@s15g2000prm.googlegroups.com> <--SdnTa5T9S7nKHanZ2dnUVZ_szinZ2d@giganews.com> <9%r%i.8283$3Z2.2786@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com> Subject: Re: Some questions for gas chamber skeptics Lines: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="windows-1250"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1365 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1365 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 75.35.96.226 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com 1195344235 ST000 75.35.96.226 (Sat, 17 Nov 2007 19:03:55 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 19:03:55 EST Organization: AT&T http://yahoo.sbc.com X-UserInfo1: OX[SCW[DVBSSP_@YMZJ\_Q\@TJ_ZTB\MV@BT]_MIJQR@EPIB_VUKAH_[MTX\IS[K[NGYJJFNOFZR_G[BUNTAOQLFE^TEHRPI]PZZRP_BMDSFQFL_]CBHXRWCMDCUZAZN@D_AKMNLEI]MWHCSXL^]NNC__CZFGSGHYYXWPFG@SCAVA]\FT\@B\RDGENSUQS^M Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 19:01:33 -0500 "Eugene Holman" wrote in message news:holman-225B58.08174217112007@oravannahka.helsinki.fi... > In article <9%r%i.8283$3Z2.2786@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com>, > "snow" wrote: > >> I am amazed by your knowledge of the events. I must say I am impressed. > > Thank you. If I have made you reconsider your position concerning these > tragic events then I have done what I intended to do. > >> I >> still believe it is wrong to use misfortune of Jews during Nazi times for >> political and ideological gains as it is being done by Zionists. > > That is a very complicated issue. Israel would probably not exist as a > state or behave in the manner that it does today were it not for the > outrages committed against European Jews by the Nazis. It isn't that complicated. Zionists wanted to have their own country and because many in Zionist movement were Jews, they used Judaism and events of ww2 to establish what now is known as Israel. Majority of world Jews oppose Israel and Zionism. > has an element of subjectivity in it, and people use the narratives > about the past produced by historians, who have to focus on specific > events at the expense of others in order to present a structured account > of past events, to drive and justify specific agendas. > >> I also >> believe throwing around 'anti-Semitism' and labeling anyone who disagrees >> with Zionist agenda an Anti-Semite, doesn't help the situation and only >> causes more hatred towards Jews who are mostly innocent bystanders who >> have >> nothing to do with Zionism. > > I don't do that. As you have seen, I am primarily interested in the > historical evidence and the causal links between and logic of different > events and policies. > > > > Regards, > Eugene Holman From snowonweb@hotmail.com Sun Nov 18 16:00:48 EST 2007 Article: 1227498 of alt.revisionism Xref: sn-us alt.revisionism:1227498 Path: sn-us!sn-feed-sjc-01!sn-xt-sjc-10!sn-xt-sjc-08!sn-xt-sjc-12!supernews.com!postnews.google.com!news1.google.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!newscon02.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!newsdst01.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr17.news.prodigy.net.POSTED!584e53d9!not-for-mail From: "snow" Newsgroups: alt.revisionism References: <2df3f98f-a1f7-4e7b-b17c-7c53c9f53f76@o6g2000hsd.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Evidence supports theory that WTC buildings were wired Lines: 15 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1365 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1365 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 75.35.96.226 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr17.news.prodigy.net 1195409386 ST000 75.35.96.226 (Sun, 18 Nov 2007 13:09:46 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 13:09:46 EST Organization: AT&T http://yahoo.sbc.com X-UserInfo1: FKPO@SNDERRMRWX[N[O@_WH@YR_B@EXLLBWLOOAFWIWTEPIB_NVUAH_[BL[\IRKIANGGJBFNJF_DOLSCENSY^U@FRFUEXR@KFXYDBPWBCDQJA@X_DCBHXR[C@\EOKCJLED_SZ@RMWYXYWE_P@\\GOIW^@SYFFSWHFIXMADO@^[ADPRPETLBJ]RDGENSKQQZN Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 13:07:20 -0500 X-Original-Lines: 1 "perfumeTheMovie" wrote in message news:2df3f98f-a1f7-4e7b-b17c-7c53c9f53f76@o6g2000hsd.googlegroups.com... > http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/2006/09/jones.html > > It's going to take a while for American media to finally pick the stories up. Watch for international media to run the stories first. American media has such control over American public that if it claimed that Aliens blew up WTC, public would buy it. Once again with time we will learn more and more and finally when archives are declassified we will know the truth, in next 50 years or so. For now we all should be politically correct and blame the terrorists from the cave. From snowonweb@hotmail.com Sun Nov 18 16:00:48 EST 2007 Article: 1227499 of alt.revisionism Xref: sn-us alt.revisionism:1227499 Path: sn-us!sn-feed-sjc-01!sn-xt-sjc-10!sn-xt-sjc-08!sn-xt-sjc-12!supernews.com!postnews.google.com!news1.google.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!newscon02.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!newsdst01.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr17.news.prodigy.net.POSTED!584e53d9!not-for-mail From: "snow" Newsgroups: alt.revisionism References: <67c89509-3722-4c58-808d-4f098169ebd2@v4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Not a single autopsied body has been shown to have been gassed. Lines: 50 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="windows-1250"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1365 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1365 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 75.35.96.226 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr17.news.prodigy.net 1195409703 ST000 75.35.96.226 (Sun, 18 Nov 2007 13:15:03 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 13:15:03 EST Organization: AT&T http://yahoo.sbc.com X-UserInfo1: FKPO@MON_BRWSQDYZBCBNWX@RJ_XPDLMN@GZ_GYO^RR@ETUCCNSKQFCY@TXDX_WHSVB]ZEJLSNY\^J[CUVSA_QLFC^RQHUPH[P[NRWCCMLSNPOD_ESALHUK@TDFUZHBLJ\XGKL^NXA\EVHSP[D_C^B_^JCX^W]CHBAX]POG@SSAZQ\LE[DCNMUPG_VSC@VJM Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 13:12:37 -0500 X-Original-Lines: 3 "Sara Salzman" wrote in message news:catamont-0D8DFA.22234417112007@news-40.giganews.com... > In article , > "It's all a bit strange" wrote: > >> "snow" wrote in news:THK%i.121$Vq.107 >> @nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com: >> >> > Perhaps nobody is looking for such evidence >> >> But you are looking for such evidence...I sure would like to see how you >> are going about doing the research and documentation >> >> >> or >> >> >> Are you just a windbag? > > I'd still like someone to explain to me how bodies that were cremated en > masse can be "autopsied," and why the Nazis would have done so in the > first place. They killed them. They know how they died. > > These idiots think this is some kind of "Cold Case" file, where you > simply go to the cemetary, dig the body up, and have Michael Baden tell > you, 60 years later, what they died of. > > Bodies were removed from the gas chambers and burned. WHY would the > Germans want to autopsy them, and HOW can we, without even the ashes > remaining, supposed to do it? > > I'd LOVE to hear an intelligent answer to this. OF course, that leaves > Cramer and most of his buddies out. > > Sara There are autopsies done on bodies that are in advanced decomposition state and on bodies that are more than 100 years old. For your information "Cold Case' file is a TV show that shows how science and technology allows for research and identification of bodies and this is very similar. So why can't we just exhume bodies from so many mass graves found to test for the reason of death? > > -- > Sorry, Cramer... I'm still teaching. From snowonweb@hotmail.com Sun Nov 18 16:00:49 EST 2007 Article: 1227503 of alt.revisionism Xref: sn-us alt.revisionism:1227503 soc.history:228745 Path: sn-us!sn-feed-sjc-02!sn-us!sn-feed-sjc-03!sn-xt-sjc-11!sn-xt-sjc-06!sn-xt-sjc-12!supernews.com!nntp.csufresno.edu!tethys.csu.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!newscon04.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!newsdst01.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr17.news.prodigy.net.POSTED!584e53d9!not-for-mail From: "snow" Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.history References: Subject: Re: Untermeyer admits yids financed Hitler Lines: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1365 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1365 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 75.35.96.226 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr17.news.prodigy.net 1195410069 ST000 75.35.96.226 (Sun, 18 Nov 2007 13:21:09 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 13:21:09 EST Organization: AT&T http://yahoo.sbc.com X-UserInfo1: FKPO@MC@@S@GB^@[AZKLNFXBWR\HPCTL@XT^OBPLAH[\RZ]CDVW[AKK[J\]^HVKHG^EWZHBLO^[\NH_AZFWGN^\DHNVMX_DHHX[FSQKBOTS@@BP^]C@RHS_AGDDC[AJM_T[GZNRNZAY]GNCPBDYKOLK^_CZFWPGHZIXW@C[AFKBBQS@E@DAZ]VDFUNTQQ]FN Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 13:18:44 -0500 "Ole Irish" wrote in message news:C365D26A.3CF0%oleirish@home.net... > > > > On 18/11/07 9:51 AM, in article > Xns99EBA0D946D63TBAnoonecarescom@85.214.90.228, "It's all a bit strange" > wrote: > >> "snow" wrote in >> news:FVK%i.124$Vq.43@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com: >> >>> >>> >>> "B'enjamin C'ramer" wrote in message >>> news:qIWdnbkiNcknC6DanZ2dnUVZWhednZ2d@giganews.com... >>>> >>>> >>>> "Revolting as it is, it would be an interesting study in psychology >>>> to analyze the motives, other than fear and cowardice, that have >>>> prompted Jewish bankers to lend money to Germany as they are now >>>> doing. It is in part >>>> their money that is being used by the Hitler regime in its reckless, >>>> wicked >>>> campaign of propaganda to make the world anti-Semitic; with that >>>> money they >>>> have invaded Great Britain, the United States and other countries >>>> where they >>>> have established newspapers, subsidized agents and otherwise are >>>> spending untold millions in spreading their infamous creed. The >>>> suggestion that they >>>> use that money toward paying the honest debts they have repudiated is >>>> answered only by contemptuous sneers and silence. Meantime the >>>> infamous campaign goes on unabated with ever increasing intensity to >>>> the everlasting >>>> disgrace of the Jewish bankers who are helping to finance it and of >>>> the weaklings who are doing nothing effective to check it."-Samuel >>>> Untermeyer, as quoted in: "Text of Untermyer's Address", The New York >>>> Times, (7 August 1933), p. 4. >>>> >>> >>> That is so true. Just imagine that any war costs a lot of money (look >>> at present US spending for Iraq conflict), yet Nazi Germany didn't >>> decide to print more of its own money which would destabilize and >>> devalue Deutsch Mark, >> >> bzzzt, wrong. Germany purposely printed large quantities of it's money >> after WWI (some say to pay off reparations) in order to destablize and >> devalue the Deutsch Mark and cause political unrest. WRONG, we are talking about WW2 not WW1 and look at the value of Deutsch Mark in that era and then tell me how destabilized it got. >> >> >> instead Nazi Germany borrowed money from banks >>> that also financed the allies. At that time most banks were led by >>> Jews and most banks employed many Jews who were making financial >>> decisions. >> >> A statement oft made, but I'd like to see a list of the 100 largest >> banks at the time and who owned/led by Jews. >> >> Also I'd like to see proof that Jews forced Nazi Germany to borrow money >> from such banks if they existed. >> >> >> Someone had to make a decision to loan money to Germany >>> which then Nazis spend on the war effort. >> >> You think? >> >> That is another case on how >>> business profits were major priority of Jewish bank leaders and Jewish >>> decision makers, who knew the Nazi's stance on Slavs and Jews. >> >> You still have to prove your point. > > Not that you've been able to show. Whining aside. > > >> >> >>> >>> >> > > > -- > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > From snowonweb@hotmail.com Sun Nov 18 16:00:50 EST 2007 Article: 1227504 of alt.revisionism Xref: sn-us alt.revisionism:1227504 Path: sn-us!sn-feed-sjc-04!sn-xt-sjc-10!sn-xt-sjc-08!sn-xt-sjc-12!supernews.com!nntp.csufresno.edu!tethys.csu.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!newscon04.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!newsdst01.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr17.news.prodigy.net.POSTED!584e53d9!not-for-mail From: "snow" Newsgroups: alt.revisionism References: <9%r%i.8283$3Z2.2786@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com> <13jv73iabjv0c04@corp.supernews.com> Subject: Re: Some questions for gas chamber skeptics Lines: 4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="windows-1250"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1365 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1365 Message-ID: <5r%%i.151$C24.65@newssvr17.news.prodigy.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 75.35.96.226 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr17.news.prodigy.net 1195410241 ST000 75.35.96.226 (Sun, 18 Nov 2007 13:24:01 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 13:24:01 EST Organization: AT&T http://yahoo.sbc.com X-UserInfo1: FKPO@MON_BRWSQDYZBCBNWX@RJ_XPDLMN@GZ_GYO^RR@ETUCCNSKQFCY@TXDX_WHSVB]ZEJLSNY\^J[CUVSA_QLFC^RQHUPH[P[NRWCCMLSNPOD_ESALHUK@TDFUZHBLJ\XGKL^NXA\EVHSP[D_C^B_^JCX^W]CHBAX]POG@SSAZQ\LE[DCNMUPG_VSC@VJM Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 13:21:36 -0500 "Kenneth McVay OBC" wrote in message news:13jv73iabjv0c04@corp.supernews.com... > In article , > Leading Revisionist Scholar Scott snow wrote: > > [...] > >> Majority of world Jews oppose >>Israel and Zionism. > > Please cite the studies which determined this. I don't believe such studies had been done and it wouldn't be politically correct to sponsor and publish such study. There are Jewish movements that oppose Zionism, one of the websites is www.jewsnotzionists.org > > -- > "Streicher commit suicide while in the Nuremberg Jail But you > people did hang him after that" > (Kurt Knoll, Kitimat, B.C.'s Leading Revisionist Moron) > The Nizkor Project: http://www.nizkor.org/ From snowonweb@hotmail.com Sun Nov 18 16:08:04 EST 2007 Article: 1794713 of soc.culture.jewish Xref: sn-us alt.revisionism:1227110 soc.culture.jewish:1794713 soc.culture.israel:1654587 soc.culture.usa:2058759 soc.history:228585 Path: sn-us!sn-feed-sjc-02!sn-xt-sjc-11!sn-xt-sjc-09!sn-xt-sjc-13!supernews.com!newshub.sdsu.edu!newscon04.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!newsdst01.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com.POSTED!584e53d9!not-for-mail From: "snow" Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.usa,soc.history References: Subject: Re: It's all a bit strange - Documents and testimony on yid war criminals Lines: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1365 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1365 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 75.35.96.226 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com 1195342239 ST000 75.35.96.226 (Sat, 17 Nov 2007 18:30:39 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 18:30:39 EST Organization: AT&T http://yahoo.sbc.com X-UserInfo1: [[PAPDCA[S@GB^@[AZKLNFXBWR\HPCTL@XT^OBPLAH[\RWYAKVUOPCW[ML\JXUCKVFDYZKBMSFX^OMSAFNTINTDDMVW[X\THOPXZRVOCJTUTPC\_JSBVX\KAOTBAJBVMZTYAKMNLDI_MFDSSOLXINH__FS^\WQGHGI^C@E[A_CF\AQLDQ\BTMPLDFNVUQ_VM Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 18:28:19 -0500 "B'enjamin C'ramer" wrote in message news:bvqdnXyNrsnXAKDanZ2dnUVZ_q6mnZ2d@giganews.com... > The holocaust victims accuse - Documents and testimony on Jewish war > criminals > > Rabbi Moshe Shonfeld has written a hard-hitting book, one that > inadvertently undermines many of the canons of modern Holocaust education. > Never one to use euphemisms for the main murderers, he always calls Nazis > by their correct name-the Germans. He attributes the low levels of > anti-Semitism in the Scandinavian countries not to some uniquely > Scandinavian virtue of tolerance, but to the smallness of their Jewish > communities (p. 14). While he does repeat stereotyped criticisms of > Christians, the Vatican, etc., Shonfeld's harshest comments are directed > at fellow Jews, specifically the Zionists and secular Jews. > > Schonfeld attacks certain world Jewish organizations for what he considers > unwise actions that needlessly inflamed Hitler. He depicts the 1933 > boycott of German goods as a provocation against Hitler concocted by > Jewish nationalists and Zionists "from their safe, convenient dwellings" > (p. 7). In the same vein, he condemns Rabbi Stephen Wise and the World > Jewish Congress in New York for their declaration of war against Germany. > Schonfeld sees this as the very trigger of the Wannsee Conference, which > detailed and implemented the plans for the Final Solution itself (p. 43). > > Shonfeld condemns Jewish Zionist organizations, and the World Jewish > Congress, for their refusal to support the delivery of overseas food to > the Jews in the ghettoes (pp. 44-46). He argues that at least some of the > food did reach the intended recipients, and rejects the notion that such > aid was tantamount to breaking of the boycott against Hitler. He rejects > the common argument that such aid was tantamount to an interference with > the Allied war effort. > > Shonfeld touches on some Polish efforts to rescue Jewish leaders (pp. > 34-35) in the context of rabbis' refusal to accept deliverance while their > fellow Jews were dying. He mentions the fact that the Archbishop of Warsaw > offered an escape, to the bishop's palace, to rabbis Menachem Zemba, > Shimson Stockhamer, and Dovid Shopirobut. A similar offer was rejected by > Rabbi Y. Pinner from the bishop of Lodz. > > In common with many other writers, Schonfeld elaborates on the Jewish > collaborationist police (the kapos) and their dealings with their fellow > Jews at a level of zeal and cruelty exceeding that of the Germans (pp. > 21-22). He claims that religious Jews were absent from their ranks, and > that the collaborationist Jews had a virulent hatred of religious Jews. > Shonfeld, in reference to a Jewish religious teaching that forbids that > some Jews be allowed to be killed so that other Jews may be spared, > condemns the collaborationist actions of the Judenrat (p. 120). He singles > out Jewish leaders Merin and Moldetzky for their collaborationist actions > that resulted in the annihilation of East Silesian Jews at a more > efficient rate than at other places (p. 123). He thereby rejects the > Judenrats' rationalization of their actions as being justified by saving > some Jews by betraying others. > > Schonfeld repeatedly condemns Jewish organizations for failing to > ameliorate the Final Solution once it actually became full-blown. He > condemns Yitzchak Greenbaum for preferring a future Jewish state to the > rescue of European Jewry. He attacks Nathan Schwalb for rejecting the > efforts of Czech Jewry to have a sum of money paid to halt the transports > of Jews to Auschwitz (pp. 26-27). He states that the extermination of > Slovakian Jews had been delayed by two years as a result of Jewish bribes > (p. 77), thereby demonstrating that the German Nazis were amenable to > bribery in exchange for Jewish lives. Furthermore, western Jewish > organizations refused to pay the bribe that would have saved 70,000 > Romanian Jews (pp. 100-101). Most interesting of all, he claims that the > Germans were willing to accept bribes from Jewish organizations to spare > Hungarian Jews from the gas chambers of Auschwitz, allowing them to > emigrate to some other nation except Palestine (pp. 75-77). But the > Zionist organizations rejected these offers, even claiming that the > extermination accounts given by East European Jews were exaggerations (p. > 76)! He chides the German Jewish leader Sali Mayer for refusing to accept > the accounts of genocide directed against Jews because of his high regard > for the Germans as a civilized people "who would never do such a thing" > (p. 78). > > Schonfeld elaborates on the sundry relationship between the Jewish > collaborator Dr. Kastner and the Nazi German mass murderer Adolf Eichmann > (pp. 66-67). Schonfeld quotes from a document that charges Kastner with > knowing about the impending mass gassing of Hungarian Jews in Auschwitz, > but striking a sordid deal with Eichmann for the sparing of some favored > Jews in exchange for Kastner's silence. The deal included a hefty payment, > which Eichmann later used to escape to Argentina. > > Schonfeld condemns the Jewish guerilla leader Abba Kovner for saving, from > the Vilna ghetto, only a few of his chosen men, even though initially the > thinking was that many young Jews would be saved, based on the notion that > they were the future of the nation. Kovner is accused of callously > refusing aid to various fugitive Jews who had sought his aid in the > surrounding forests (pp. 33-34). > > Schonfeld's book has broad-based implications. For the longest time, > Jewish sufferings have been given preeminence in the US in the form of > Holocaust education, which is mandatory in some US states. Common > arguments adduced for the virtually exclusive remembrance of the 5-6 > million murdered Jews as opposed to, for example, the 2-3 million murdered > Polish gentiles, are based on: 1) Nazi priorities, 2) The unique > irrationality of the hatred of Jews, and 3) The total annihilation of all > Jewry. Shonfeld's analysis shows that, contrary to these arguments, the > German Nazi actions against Jews were not such a priority, nor so uniquely > irrational, nor so comprehensive, that they could not at least sometimes > be reversed by the payment of bribes. Clearly, the Nazi Germans were not > necessarily nor unalterably interested in the killing of every last > possible Jew. > Great article. Indeed Schonfeld is correct about the situation of Jews during WW2 and how Zionists leaders (including Jews) refused to support victims of Nazism, especially when they refused to support Jewish victims. It sounds even worse when you consider that Zionist movement included very rich Jews. Being of same religion, Judaism and belonging to same ethnicity (Jews) it is very difficult to imagine that Zionist movement and ideology took priority over helping out their fellow brothers and sisters. I had found a great website that has many very interesting articles. www.jewsnotzionists.org From snowonweb@hotmail.com Sun Nov 18 16:08:05 EST 2007 Article: 1794716 of soc.culture.jewish Xref: sn-us alt.revisionism:1227115 soc.culture.jewish:1794716 soc.culture.usa:2058761 soc.history:228586 Path: sn-us!sn-feed-sjc-03!sn-xt-sjc-11!sn-xt-sjc-09!sn-xt-sjc-13!supernews.com!newshub.sdsu.edu!newscon04.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!newsdst01.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com.POSTED!584e53d9!not-for-mail From: "snow" Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.usa,soc.history References: Subject: Re: Untermeyer admits yids financed Hitler Lines: 4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1365 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1365 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 75.35.96.226 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com 1195342565 ST000 75.35.96.226 (Sat, 17 Nov 2007 18:36:05 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 18:36:05 EST Organization: AT&T http://yahoo.sbc.com X-UserInfo1: [[PAPDON_BRWSQDYZBCBNWX@RJ_XPDLMN@GZ_GYO^BTBTSUBYFWEAE[YJLYPIWKHTFCMZKVMB^[Z^DOBRVVMOSPFHNSYXVDIE@X\BUC@GTSX@DL^GKFFHQCCE\G[JJBMYDYIJCZM@AY]GNGPJD]YNNW\GSX^GSCKHA[]@CCB\[@LATPD\L@J\\PF]VR[QPJN Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 18:33:45 -0500 "B'enjamin C'ramer" wrote in message news:qIWdnbkiNcknC6DanZ2dnUVZWhednZ2d@giganews.com... > > > "Revolting as it is, it would be an interesting study in psychology to > analyze the motives, other than fear and cowardice, that have prompted > Jewish bankers to lend money to Germany as they are now doing. It is in > part > their money that is being used by the Hitler regime in its reckless, > wicked > campaign of propaganda to make the world anti-Semitic; with that money > they > have invaded Great Britain, the United States and other countries where > they > have established newspapers, subsidized agents and otherwise are spending > untold millions in spreading their infamous creed. The suggestion that > they > use that money toward paying the honest debts they have repudiated is > answered only by contemptuous sneers and silence. Meantime the infamous > campaign goes on unabated with ever increasing intensity to the > everlasting > disgrace of the Jewish bankers who are helping to finance it and of the > weaklings who are doing nothing effective to check it."-Samuel Untermeyer, > as quoted in: "Text of Untermyer's Address", The New York Times, (7 August > 1933), p. 4. > That is so true. Just imagine that any war costs a lot of money (look at present US spending for Iraq conflict), yet Nazi Germany didn't decide to print more of its own money which would destabilize and devalue Deutsch Mark, instead Nazi Germany borrowed money from banks that also financed the allies. At that time most banks were led by Jews and most banks employed many Jews who were making financial decisions. Someone had to make a decision to loan money to Germany which then Nazis spend on the war effort. That is another case on how business profits were major priority of Jewish bank leaders and Jewish decision makers, who knew the Nazi's stance on Slavs and Jews. From snowonweb@hotmail.com Tue Nov 20 11:29:21 EST 2007 Article: 1227797 of alt.revisionism Xref: sn-us alt.revisionism:1227797 soc.culture.jewish:1795280 soc.culture.usa:2059557 soc.history:228828 Path: sn-us!sn-feed-sjc-01!sn-xt-sjc-10!sn-xt-sjc-08!sn-xt-sjc-12!supernews.com!nntp.csufresno.edu!tethys.csu.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!newscon04.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!newsdst01.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr25.news.prodigy.net.POSTED!584e53d9!not-for-mail From: "snow" Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.uk,soc.history References: Subject: Re: Yids and communism - Lines: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1365 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1365 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 75.35.96.226 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr25.news.prodigy.net 1195513625 ST000 75.35.96.226 (Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:07:05 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:07:05 EST Organization: SBC http://yahoo.sbc.com X-UserInfo1: Q[R_@SNDERRMRWX[N[O@_WH@YR_B@EXLLBWLOOAF@YUDUWYAKVUOPCW[ML\JXUCKVFDYZKBMSFX^OMSAFNTINTDDMVW[X\THOPXZRVOCJTUTPC\_JSBVX\KAOTBAJBVMZTYAKMNLDI_MFDSSOLXINH__FS^\WQGHGI^C@E[A_CF\AQLDQ\BTMPLDFNVUQ_VM Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 23:07:05 GMT "B'enjamin C'ramer" wrote in message news:F6ednWbKv8kOVKLanZ2dnUVZ_gydnZ2d@giganews.com... > The American Army Intelligence Service had its agents in Russia at the > time of the Communist Revolution, and the Jewish nature of that revolution > is accurately reflected in those reports. > > An American Senate subcommittee investigation into the Russian Revolution > heard evidence, put on congressional record, that "(I)n December 1919, > under the presidency of a man named Apfelbaum (Zinovieff) . . . out of the > 388 members of the Bolshevik central government, only 16 happened to be > real Russians, and all the rest (with the exception of a Negro from the > U.S.) were Jews" (U.S. Senate Document 62, 1919). > HOW MANY DID COMMUNIST REGIMES MURDER?* By R.J. Rummel Note that I completed this study in November 1993 while still engaged in collecting democide data. Not all the democide totals I mention here may be complete, therefore. For final figures on communist megamurderers, see my summary Table 1.2 in my Death by Government. For all final estimates, see the summary table in Statistics of Democide With the passing of communism into history as an ideological alternative to democracy it is time to do some accounting of its human costs. Few would deny any longer that communism--Marxism-Leninism and its variants--meant in practice bloody terrorism, deadly purges, lethal gulags and forced labor, fatal deportations, man-made famines, extrajudicial executions and show trials, and genocide. It is also widely known that as a result millions of innocent people have been murdered in cold blood. Yet there has been virtually no concentrated statistical work on what this total might be. For about eight years I have been sifting through thousands of sources trying to determine the extent of democide (genocide and mass murder) in this century. As a result of that effort** I am able to give some conservative figures on what is an unrivaled communist hecatomb, and to compare this to overall world totals. First, however, I should clarify the term democide. It means for governments what murder means for an individual under municipal law. It is the premeditated killing of a person in cold blood, or causing the death of a person through reckless and wanton disregard for their life. Thus, a government incarcerating people in a prison under such deadly conditions that they die in a few years is murder by the state--democide--as would parents letting a child die from malnutrition and exposure be murder. So would government forced labor that kills a person within months or a couple of years be murder. So would government created famines that then are ignored or knowingly aggravated by government action be murder of those who starve to death. And obviously, extrajudicial executions, death by torture, government massacres, and all genocidal killing be murder. However, judicial executions for crimes that internationally would be considered capital offenses, such as for murder or treason (as long as it is clear that these are not fabricated for the purpose of executing the accused, as in communist show trials), are not democide. Nor is democide the killing of enemy soldiers in combat or of armed rebels, nor of noncombatants as a result of military action against military targets. With this understanding of democide, Table 1 lists all communist governments that have committed any form of democide and gives their estimated total domestic and foreign democide and its annual rate (the percent of a government's domestic population murdered per year). It also shows the total for communist guerrillas (including quasi-governments, as of the Mao soviets in China prior to the communist victory in 1949) and the world total for all governments and guerillas (including such quasi-governments as of the White Armies during the Russian civil war in 1917-1922). Figure 1 graphs the communist megamurderers and compares this to the communist and world totals. Of course, eventhough systematically determined and calculated, all these figures and their graph are only rough approximations. Even were we to have total access to all communist archives we still would not be able to calculate precisely how many the communists murdered. Consider that even in spite of the archival statistics and detailed reports of survivors, the best experts still disagree by over 40 percent on the total number of Jews killed by the Nazis. We cannot expect near this accuracy for the victims of communism. We can, however, get a probable order of magnitude and a relative approximation of these deaths within a most likely range. And that is what the figures in Table 1 are meant to be. Their apparent precision is only due to the total for most communist governments being the summation of dozens of subtotals (as of forced labor deaths each year) and calculations (as in extrapolating scholarly estimates of executions or massacres). With this understood, the Soviet Union appears the greatest megamurderer of all, apparently killing near 61,000,000 people. Stalin himself is responsible for almost 43,000,000 of these. Most of the deaths, perhaps around 39,000,000 are due to lethal forced labor in gulag and transit thereto. Communist China up to 1987, but mainly from 1949 through the cultural revolution, which alone may have seen over 1,000,000 murdered, is the second worst megamurderer. Then there are the lesser megamurderers, such as North Korea and Tito's Yugoslavia. Obviously the population that is available to kill will make a big difference in the total democide, and thus the annual percentage rate of democide is revealing. By far, the most deadly of all communist countries and, indeed, in this century by far, has been Cambodia under the Khmer Rouge. Pol Pot and his crew likely killed some 2,000,000 Cambodians from April 1975 through December 1978 out of a population of around 7,000,000. This is an annual rate of over 8 percent of the population murdered, or odds of an average Cambodian surviving Pol Pot's rule of slightly over just over 2 to 1. In sum the communist probably have murdered something like 110,000,000, or near two-thirds of all those killed by all governments, quasi-governments, and guerrillas from 1900 to 1987. Of course, the world total itself it shocking. It is several times the 38,000,000 battle-dead that have been killed in all this century's international and domestic wars. Yet the probable number of murders by the Soviet Union alone--one communist country-- well surpasses this cost of war. And those murders of communist China almost equal it. Figure 2 shows the major sources of death for those murdered under communism and compares this to world totals for each source for this century. A few of these sources require some clarification. Deaths through government terrorism means the killing of specific individuals by assassination, extrajudicial executions, torture, beatings, and such. Massacre, on the other hand, means the indiscriminate mass killing of people, as in soldiers machine gunning demonstrators, or entering a village and killing all of its inhabitants. As used here, genocide is the killing of people because of their ethnicity, race, religion, or language. And democide through deportation is the killing of people during their forced mass transportation to distant regions and their death as a direct result, such as through starvation or exposure. Democidal famine is that which is purposely caused or aggravated by government or which is knowingly ignored and aid to its victims is withheld. As can be seen in the figure, communist forced labor was particularly deadly. It not only accounts for most deaths under communism, but is close to the world total, which also includes colonial forced labor deaths (as in German, Portuguese, and Spanish colonies). Communists also committed genocide, to be sure, but only near half of the world total. Communists are much less disposed to massacre then were many other noncommunist governments (such as the Japanese military during World War II, or the Nationalist Chinese government from 1928 to 1949). As can be seen from the comparative total for terrorism, communists were much more discriminating in their killing overall, even to the extent in the Soviet Union, communist China, and Vietnam, at least, of using a quota system. Top officials would order local officials to kill a certain number of "enemies of the people," "rightists", or "tyrants". How can we understand all this killing by communists? It is the marriage of an absolutist ideology with the absolute power. Communists believed that they knew the truth, absolutely. They believed that they knew through Marxism what would bring about the greatest human welfare and happiness. And they believed that power, the dictatorship of the proletariat, must be used to tear down the old feudal or capitalist order and rebuild society and culture to realize this utopia. Nothing must stand in the way of its achievement. Government--the Communist Party--was thus above any law. All institutions, cultural norms, traditions, and sentiments were expendable. And the people were as though lumber and bricks, to be used in building the new world. Constructing this utopia was seen as though a war on poverty, exploitation, imperialism, and inequality. And for the greater good, as in a real war, people are killed. And thus this war for the communist utopia had its necessary enemy casualties, the clergy, bourgeoisie, capitalists, wreckers, counterrevolutionaries, rightists, tyrants, rich, landlords, and noncombatants that unfortunately got caught in the battle. In a war millions may die, but the cause may be well justified, as in the defeat of Hitler and an utterly racist Nazism. And to many communists, the cause of a communist utopia was such as to justify all the deaths. The irony of this is that communism in practice, even after decades of total control, did not improve the lot of the average person, but usually made their living conditions worse than before the revolution. It is not by chance that the greatest famines have occurred within the Soviet Union (about 5,000,000 dead during 1921-23 and 7,000,000 from 1932-3) and communist China (about 27,000,000 dead from 1959-61). In total almost 55,000,000 people died in various communist famines and associated diseases, a little over 10,000,000 of them >from democidal famine. This is as though the total population of Turkey, Iran, or Thailand had been completely wiped out. And that something like 35,000,000 people fled communist countries as refugees, as though the countries of Argentina or Columbia had been totally emptied of all their people, was an unparalleled vote against the utopian pretensions of Marxism-Leninism. But communists could not be wrong. After all, their knowledge was scientific, based on historical materialism, an understanding of the dialectical process in nature and human society, and a materialist (and thus realistic) view of nature. Marx has shown empirically where society has been and why, and he and his interpreters proved that it was destined for a communist end. No one could prevent this, but only stand in the way and delay it at the cost of more human misery. Those who disagreed with this world view and even with some of the proper interpretations of Marx and Lenin were, without a scintilla of doubt, wrong. After all, did not Marx or Lenin or Stalin or Mao say that. . . . In other words, communism was like a fanatical religion. It had its revealed text and chief interpreters. It had its priests and their ritualistic prose with all the answers. It had a heaven, and the proper behavior to reach it. It had its appeal to faith. And it had its crusade against nonbelievers. What made this secular religion so utterly lethal was its seizure of all the state's instrument of force and coercion and their immediate use to destroy or control all independent sources of power, such as the church, the professions, private businesses, schools, and, of course, the family. The result is what we see in Table 1. But communism does not stand alone in such mass murder. We do have the example of Nazi Germany, which may have itself murdered some 20,000,000 Jews, Poles, Ukrainians, Russians, Yugoslaves, Frenchmen, and other nationalities. Then there is the Nationalist government of China under Chiang Kai-shek, which murdered near 10,000,000 Chinese from 1928 to 1949, and the Japanese militarists who murdered almost 6,000,000 Chinese, Indonesians, Indochinese, Koreans, Filipinos, and others during world War II. And then we have the 1,000,000 or more Bengalis and Hindus killed in East Pakistan (now Bangladesh) in 1971 by the Pakistan military. Nor should we forget the mass expulsion of ethnic Germans and German citizens from Eastern Europe at the end of World War II, particularly by the Polish government as it seized the German Eastern Territories, killing perhaps over 1,000,000 of them. Nor should we ignore the 1,000,000 plus deaths in Mexico >from 1900 to 1920, many of these poor Indians and peasants being killed by forced labor on barbaric haciendas. And one could go on and on to detail various kinds of noncommunist democide. But what connects them all is this. As a government's power is more unrestrained, as its power reaches into all the corners of culture and society, and as it is less democratic, then the more likely it is to kill its own citizens. There is more than a correlation here. As totalitarian power increases, democide multiplies until it curves sharply upward when totalitarianism is near absolute. As a governing elite has the power to do whatever it wants, whether to satisfy its most personal desires, to pursue what it believes is right and true, it may do so whatever the cost in lives. In this case power is the necessary condition for mass murder. Once an elite have it, other causes and conditions can operated to bring about the immediate genocide, terrorism, massacres, or whatever killing an elite feels is warranted. Finally, at the extreme of totalitarian power we have the greatest extreme of democide. Communist governments have almost without exception wielded the most absolute power and their greatest killing (such as during Stalin's reign or the height of Mao's power) has taken place when they have been in their own history most totalitarian. As most communist governments underwent increasing liberalization and a loosening of centralized power in the 1960s through the 1980s, the pace of killing dropped off sharply. Communism has been the greatest social engineering experiment we have ever seen. It failed utterly and in doing so it killed over 100,000,000 men, women, and children, not to mention the near 30,000,000 of its subjects that died in its often aggressive wars and the rebellions it provoked. But there is a larger lesson to be learned from this horrendous sacrifice to one ideology. That is that no one can be trusted with power. The more power the center has to impose the beliefs of an ideological or religious elite or impose the whims of a dictator, the more likely human lives are to be sacrificed. This is but one reason, but perhaps the most important one, for fostering liberal democracy.  From snowonweb@hotmail.com Tue Nov 20 11:29:23 EST 2007 Article: 1227798 of alt.revisionism Xref: sn-us alt.revisionism:1227798 Path: sn-us!sn-feed-sjc-04!sn-xt-sjc-10!sn-xt-sjc-01!sn-xt-sjc-13!supernews.com!newshub.sdsu.edu!newscon04.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!newsdst01.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr25.news.prodigy.net.POSTED!584e53d9!not-for-mail From: "snow" Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: How Many Did Communist Regimes Murder Lines: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0084_01C82AD7.11A217F0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1365 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1365 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 75.35.96.226 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr25.news.prodigy.net 1195513670 ST000 75.35.96.226 (Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:07:50 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:07:50 EST Organization: SBC http://yahoo.sbc.com X-UserInfo1: Q[R_PJSCTS@GB^@[AZKLNFXBWR\HPCTL@XT^OBPLAH[\BQUBLNTC@AWZWDXZXQ[K\FFSKCVM@F_N_DOBWVWG__LG@VVOIPLIGX\\BU_B@\P\PFX\B[APHTWAHDCKJF^NHD[YJAZMCY_CWG[SX\Y]^KC\HSZRWSWKGAY_PC[BQ[BXAS\F\\@DMTLFZFUE@\VL Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 23:07:50 GMT This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0084_01C82AD7.11A217F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable HOW MANY DID COMMUNIST REGIMES MURDER?* By R.J. Rummel=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- Note that I completed this study in November 1993 while still engaged in = collecting democide data. Not all the democide totals I mention here may = be complete, therefore. For final figures on communist megamurderers, = see my summary Table 1.2 in my Death by Government. For all final = estimates, see the summary table in Statistics of Democide=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- With the passing of communism into history as an ideological alternative = to democracy it is time to do some accounting of its human costs.=20 Few would deny any longer that communism--Marxism-Leninism and its = variants--meant in practice bloody terrorism, deadly purges, lethal = gulags and forced labor, fatal deportations, man-made famines, = extrajudicial executions and show trials, and genocide. It is also = widely known that as a result millions of innocent people have been = murdered in cold blood. Yet there has been virtually no concentrated = statistical work on what this total might be.=20 For about eight years I have been sifting through thousands of sources = trying to determine the extent of democide (genocide and mass murder) in = this century. As a result of that effort** I am able to give some = conservative figures on what is an unrivaled communist hecatomb, and to = compare this to overall world totals.=20 First, however, I should clarify the term democide. It means for = governments what murder means for an individual under municipal law. It = is the premeditated killing of a person in cold blood, or causing the = death of a person through reckless and wanton disregard for their life. = Thus, a government incarcerating people in a prison under such deadly = conditions that they die in a few years is murder by the = state--democide--as would parents letting a child die from malnutrition = and exposure be murder. So would government forced labor that kills a = person within months or a couple of years be murder. So would government = created famines that then are ignored or knowingly aggravated by = government action be murder of those who starve to death. And obviously, = extrajudicial executions, death by torture, government massacres, and = all genocidal killing be murder. However, judicial executions for crimes = that internationally would be considered capital offenses, such as for = murder or treason (as long as it is clear that these are not fabricated = for the purpose of executing the accused, as in communist show trials), = are not democide. Nor is democide the killing of enemy soldiers in = combat or of armed rebels, nor of noncombatants as a result of military = action against military targets.=20 With this understanding of democide, Table 1 lists all communist = governments that have committed any form of democide and gives their = estimated total domestic and foreign democide and its annual rate (the = percent of a government's domestic population murdered per year). It = also shows the total for communist guerrillas (including = quasi-governments, as of the Mao soviets in China prior to the communist = victory in 1949) and the world total for all governments and guerillas = (including such quasi-governments as of the White Armies during the = Russian civil war in 1917-1922). Figure 1 graphs the communist = megamurderers and compares this to the communist and world totals.=20 Of course, eventhough systematically determined and calculated, all = these figures and their graph are only rough approximations. Even were = we to have total access to all communist archives we still would not be = able to calculate precisely how many the communists murdered. Consider = that even in spite of the archival statistics and detailed reports of = survivors, the best experts still disagree by over 40 percent on the = total number of Jews killed by the Nazis. We cannot expect near this = accuracy for the victims of communism. We can, however, get a probable = order of magnitude and a relative approximation of these deaths within a = most likely range. And that is what the figures in Table 1 are meant to = be. Their apparent precision is only due to the total for most communist = governments being the summation of dozens of subtotals (as of forced = labor deaths each year) and calculations (as in extrapolating scholarly = estimates of executions or massacres).=20 With this understood, the Soviet Union appears the greatest megamurderer = of all, apparently killing near 61,000,000 people. Stalin himself is = responsible for almost 43,000,000 of these. Most of the deaths, perhaps = around 39,000,000 are due to lethal forced labor in gulag and transit = thereto. Communist China up to 1987, but mainly from 1949 through the = cultural revolution, which alone may have seen over 1,000,000 murdered, = is the second worst megamurderer. Then there are the lesser = megamurderers, such as North Korea and Tito's Yugoslavia.=20 Obviously the population that is available to kill will make a big = difference in the total democide, and thus the annual percentage rate of = democide is revealing. By far, the most deadly of all communist = countries and, indeed, in this century by far, has been Cambodia under = the Khmer Rouge. Pol Pot and his crew likely killed some 2,000,000 = Cambodians from April 1975 through December 1978 out of a population of = around 7,000,000. This is an annual rate of over 8 percent of the = population murdered, or odds of an average Cambodian surviving Pol Pot's = rule of slightly over just over 2 to 1.=20 In sum the communist probably have murdered something like 110,000,000, = or near two-thirds of all those killed by all governments, = quasi-governments, and guerrillas from 1900 to 1987. Of course, the = world total itself it shocking. It is several times the 38,000,000 = battle-dead that have been killed in all this century's international = and domestic wars. Yet the probable number of murders by the Soviet = Union alone--one communist country-- well surpasses this cost of war. = And those murders of communist China almost equal it.=20 Figure 2 shows the major sources of death for those murdered under = communism and compares this to world totals for each source for this = century. A few of these sources require some clarification. Deaths = through government terrorism means the killing of specific individuals = by assassination, extrajudicial executions, torture, beatings, and such. = Massacre, on the other hand, means the indiscriminate mass killing of = people, as in soldiers machine gunning demonstrators, or entering a = village and killing all of its inhabitants. As used here, genocide is = the killing of people because of their ethnicity, race, religion, or = language. And democide through deportation is the killing of people = during their forced mass transportation to distant regions and their = death as a direct result, such as through starvation or exposure. = Democidal famine is that which is purposely caused or aggravated by = government or which is knowingly ignored and aid to its victims is = withheld.=20 As can be seen in the figure, communist forced labor was particularly = deadly. It not only accounts for most deaths under communism, but is = close to the world total, which also includes colonial forced labor = deaths (as in German, Portuguese, and Spanish colonies). Communists also = committed genocide, to be sure, but only near half of the world total. = Communists are much less disposed to massacre then were many other = noncommunist governments (such as the Japanese military during World War = II, or the Nationalist Chinese government from 1928 to 1949). As can be = seen from the comparative total for terrorism, communists were much more = discriminating in their killing overall, even to the extent in the = Soviet Union, communist China, and Vietnam, at least, of using a quota = system. Top officials would order local officials to kill a certain = number of "enemies of the people," "rightists", or "tyrants".=20 How can we understand all this killing by communists? It is the marriage = of an absolutist ideology with the absolute power. Communists believed = that they knew the truth, absolutely. They believed that they knew = through Marxism what would bring about the greatest human welfare and = happiness. And they believed that power, the dictatorship of the = proletariat, must be used to tear down the old feudal or capitalist = order and rebuild society and culture to realize this utopia. Nothing = must stand in the way of its achievement. Government--the Communist = Party--was thus above any law. All institutions, cultural norms, = traditions, and sentiments were expendable. And the people were as = though lumber and bricks, to be used in building the new world.=20 Constructing this utopia was seen as though a war on poverty, = exploitation, imperialism, and inequality. And for the greater good, as = in a real war, people are killed. And thus this war for the communist = utopia had its necessary enemy casualties, the clergy, bourgeoisie, = capitalists, wreckers, counterrevolutionaries, rightists, tyrants, rich, = landlords, and noncombatants that unfortunately got caught in the = battle. In a war millions may die, but the cause may be well justified, = as in the defeat of Hitler and an utterly racist Nazism. And to many = communists, the cause of a communist utopia was such as to justify all = the deaths. The irony of this is that communism in practice, even after = decades of total control, did not improve the lot of the average person, = but usually made their living conditions worse than before the = revolution. It is not by chance that the greatest famines have occurred = within the Soviet Union (about 5,000,000 dead during 1921-23 and = 7,000,000 from 1932-3) and communist China (about 27,000,000 dead from = 1959-61). In total almost 55,000,000 people died in various communist = famines and associated diseases, a little over 10,000,000 of them from = democidal famine. This is as though the total population of Turkey, = Iran, or Thailand had been completely wiped out. And that something like = 35,000,000 people fled communist countries as refugees, as though the = countries of Argentina or Columbia had been totally emptied of all their = people, was an unparalleled vote against the utopian pretensions of = Marxism-Leninism.=20 But communists could not be wrong. After all, their knowledge was = scientific, based on historical materialism, an understanding of the = dialectical process in nature and human society, and a materialist (and = thus realistic) view of nature. Marx has shown empirically where society = has been and why, and he and his interpreters proved that it was = destined for a communist end. No one could prevent this, but only stand = in the way and delay it at the cost of more human misery. Those who = disagreed with this world view and even with some of the proper = interpretations of Marx and Lenin were, without a scintilla of doubt, = wrong. After all, did not Marx or Lenin or Stalin or Mao say that. . . . = In other words, communism was like a fanatical religion. It had its = revealed text and chief interpreters. It had its priests and their = ritualistic prose with all the answers. It had a heaven, and the proper = behavior to reach it. It had its appeal to faith. And it had its crusade = against nonbelievers.=20 What made this secular religion so utterly lethal was its seizure of all = the state's instrument of force and coercion and their immediate use to = destroy or control all independent sources of power, such as the church, = the professions, private businesses, schools, and, of course, the = family. The result is what we see in Table 1.=20 But communism does not stand alone in such mass murder. We do have the = example of Nazi Germany, which may have itself murdered some 20,000,000 = Jews, Poles, Ukrainians, Russians, Yugoslaves, Frenchmen, and other = nationalities. Then there is the Nationalist government of China under = Chiang Kai-shek, which murdered near 10,000,000 Chinese from 1928 to = 1949, and the Japanese militarists who murdered almost 6,000,000 = Chinese, Indonesians, Indochinese, Koreans, Filipinos, and others during = world War II. And then we have the 1,000,000 or more Bengalis and Hindus = killed in East Pakistan (now Bangladesh) in 1971 by the Pakistan = military. Nor should we forget the mass expulsion of ethnic Germans and = German citizens from Eastern Europe at the end of World War II, = particularly by the Polish government as it seized the German Eastern = Territories, killing perhaps over 1,000,000 of them. Nor should we = ignore the 1,000,000 plus deaths in Mexico from 1900 to 1920, many of = these poor Indians and peasants being killed by forced labor on barbaric = haciendas. And one could go on and on to detail various kinds of = noncommunist democide.=20 But what connects them all is this. As a government's power is more = unrestrained, as its power reaches into all the corners of culture and = society, and as it is less democratic, then the more likely it is to = kill its own citizens. There is more than a correlation here. As = totalitarian power increases, democide multiplies until it curves = sharply upward when totalitarianism is near absolute. As a governing = elite has the power to do whatever it wants, whether to satisfy its most = personal desires, to pursue what it believes is right and true, it may = do so whatever the cost in lives. In this case power is the necessary = condition for mass murder. Once an elite have it, other causes and = conditions can operated to bring about the immediate genocide, = terrorism, massacres, or whatever killing an elite feels is warranted.=20 Finally, at the extreme of totalitarian power we have the greatest = extreme of democide. Communist governments have almost without exception = wielded the most absolute power and their greatest killing (such as = during Stalin's reign or the height of Mao's power) has taken place when = they have been in their own history most totalitarian. As most communist = governments underwent increasing liberalization and a loosening of = centralized power in the 1960s through the 1980s, the pace of killing = dropped off sharply.=20 Communism has been the greatest social engineering experiment we have = ever seen. It failed utterly and in doing so it killed over 100,000,000 = men, women, and children, not to mention the near 30,000,000 of its = subjects that died in its often aggressive wars and the rebellions it = provoked. But there is a larger lesson to be learned from this = horrendous sacrifice to one ideology. That is that no one can be trusted = with power. The more power the center has to impose the beliefs of an = ideological or religious elite or impose the whims of a dictator, the = more likely human lives are to be sacrificed. This is but one reason, = but perhaps the most important one, for fostering liberal democracy. =10 http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/COM.ART.HTM ------=_NextPart_000_0084_01C82AD7.11A217F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

HOW MANY DID
COMMUNIST REGIMES = MURDER?*

By R.J. Rummel =




Note=20 that I completed this study in November 1993 while still engaged in = collecting=20 democide data. Not all the democide totals I mention here may be = complete,=20 therefore. For final figures on communist megamurderers, see my summary = Table 1.2 in my Death by Government. For all final estimates, see = the summary=20 table in Statistics of Democide


With=20 the passing of communism into history as an ideological alternative to = democracy=20 it is time to do some accounting of its human costs.

Few=20 would deny any longer that communism--Marxism-Leninism and its = variants--meant=20 in practice bloody terrorism, deadly purges, lethal gulags and forced = labor,=20 fatal deportations, man-made famines, extrajudicial executions and show = trials,=20 and genocide. It is also widely known that as a result millions of = innocent=20 people have been murdered in cold blood. Yet there has been virtually no = concentrated statistical work on what this total might be. =

For=20 about eight years I have been sifting through thousands of sources = trying to=20 determine the extent of democide (genocide and mass murder) in this = century. As=20 a result of that effort** I am able to = give some=20 conservative figures on what is an unrivaled communist hecatomb, and to = compare=20 this to overall world totals.

First, however, I should clarify the term democide. It means for governments what murder = means for an=20 individual under municipal law. It is the premeditated killing of a = person in=20 cold blood, or causing the death of a person through reckless and wanton = disregard for their life. Thus, a government incarcerating people in a = prison=20 under such deadly conditions that they die in a few years is murder by = the=20 state--democide--as would parents letting a child die from malnutrition = and=20 exposure be murder. So would government forced labor that kills a person = within=20 months or a couple of years be murder. So would government created = famines that=20 then are ignored or knowingly aggravated by government action be murder = of those=20 who starve to death. And obviously, extrajudicial executions, death by = torture,=20 government massacres, and all genocidal killing be murder. However, = judicial=20 executions for crimes that internationally would be considered capital = offenses,=20 such as for murder or treason (as long as it is clear that these are not = fabricated for the purpose of executing the accused, as in communist = show=20 trials), are not democide. Nor is democide the killing of enemy soldiers = in=20 combat or of armed rebels, nor of noncombatants as a result of military = action=20 against military targets.

With=20 this understanding of democide, Table = 1 lists=20 all communist governments that have committed any form of democide and = gives=20 their estimated total domestic and foreign democide and its annual rate = (the=20 percent of a government's domestic population murdered per year). It = also shows=20 the total for communist guerrillas (including quasi-governments, as of = the Mao=20 soviets in China prior to the communist victory in 1949) and the world = total for=20 all governments and guerillas (including such quasi-governments as of = the White=20 Armies during the Russian civil war in 1917-1922). Figure 1 graphs the communist megamurderers and compares = this to the=20 communist and world totals.

Of=20 course, eventhough systematically determined and calculated, all these = figures=20 and their graph are only rough approximations. Even were we to have = total access=20 to all communist archives we still would not be able to calculate = precisely how=20 many the communists murdered. Consider that even in spite of the = archival=20 statistics and detailed reports of survivors, the best experts still = disagree by=20 over 40 percent on the total number of Jews killed by the Nazis. We = cannot=20 expect near this accuracy for the victims of communism. We can, however, = get a=20 probable order of magnitude and a relative approximation of these deaths = within=20 a most likely range. And that is what the figures in Table 1 are meant to be. Their apparent precision is only = due to the=20 total for most communist governments being the summation of dozens of = subtotals=20 (as of forced labor deaths each year) and calculations (as in = extrapolating=20 scholarly estimates of executions or massacres).

With=20 this understood, the Soviet Union appears the greatest megamurderer of = all,=20 apparently killing near 61,000,000 people. Stalin himself is responsible = for=20 almost 43,000,000 of these. Most of the deaths, perhaps around = 39,000,000 are=20 due to lethal forced labor in gulag and transit thereto. Communist China = up to=20 1987, but mainly from 1949 through the cultural revolution, which alone = may have=20 seen over 1,000,000 murdered, is the second worst megamurderer. Then = there are=20 the lesser megamurderers, such as North Korea and Tito's Yugoslavia.=20

Obviously the population that is available to kill will make a = big=20 difference in the total democide, and thus the annual percentage rate of = democide is revealing. By far, the most deadly of all communist = countries and,=20 indeed, in this century by far, has been Cambodia under the Khmer Rouge. = Pol Pot=20 and his crew likely killed some 2,000,000 Cambodians from April 1975 = through=20 December 1978 out of a population of around 7,000,000. This is an annual = rate of=20 over 8 percent of the population murdered, or odds of an average = Cambodian=20 surviving Pol Pot's rule of slightly over just over 2 to 1. =

In=20 sum the communist probably have murdered something like 110,000,000, or = near=20 two-thirds of all those killed by all governments, quasi-governments, = and=20 guerrillas from 1900 to 1987. Of course, the world total itself it = shocking. It=20 is several times the 38,000,000 battle-dead that have been killed in all = this=20 century's international and domestic wars. Yet the probable number of = murders by=20 the Soviet Union alone--one communist country-- well surpasses this cost = of war.=20 And those murders of communist China almost equal it.

Figure 2 shows the major sources of = death for=20 those murdered under communism and compares this to world totals for = each source=20 for this century. A few of these sources require some clarification. = Deaths=20 through government terrorism means the killing of specific = individuals by=20 assassination, extrajudicial executions, torture, beatings, and such.=20 Massacre, on the other hand, means the indiscriminate mass = killing of=20 people, as in soldiers machine gunning demonstrators, or entering a = village and=20 killing all of its inhabitants. As used here, genocide is the = killing of=20 people because of their ethnicity, race, religion, or language. And = democide=20 through deportation is the killing of people during their forced = mass=20 transportation to distant regions and their death as a direct result, = such as=20 through starvation or exposure. Democidal famine is that which is = purposely caused or aggravated by government or which is knowingly = ignored and=20 aid to its victims is withheld.

As=20 can be seen in the figure, communist forced labor was particularly = deadly. It=20 not only accounts for most deaths under communism, but is close to the = world=20 total, which also includes colonial forced labor deaths (as in German,=20 Portuguese, and Spanish colonies). Communists also committed genocide, = to be=20 sure, but only near half of the world total. Communists are much less = disposed=20 to massacre then were many other noncommunist governments (such as the = Japanese=20 military during World War II, or the Nationalist Chinese government from = 1928 to=20 1949). As can be seen from the comparative total for terrorism, = communists were=20 much more discriminating in their killing overall, even to the extent in = the=20 Soviet Union, communist China, and Vietnam, at least, of using a quota = system.=20 Top officials would order local officials to kill a certain number of = "enemies=20 of the people," "rightists", or "tyrants".

How=20 can we understand all this killing by communists? It is the marriage of = an=20 absolutist ideology with the absolute power. Communists believed that = they knew=20 the truth, absolutely. They believed that they knew through Marxism what = would=20 bring about the greatest human welfare and happiness. And they believed = that=20 power, the dictatorship of the proletariat, must be used to tear down = the old=20 feudal or capitalist order and rebuild society and culture to realize = this=20 utopia. Nothing must stand in the way of its achievement. = Government--the=20 Communist Party--was thus above any law. All institutions, cultural = norms,=20 traditions, and sentiments were expendable. And the people were as = though lumber=20 and bricks, to be used in building the new world.

Constructing this utopia was seen as though a war on poverty,=20 exploitation, imperialism, and inequality. And for the greater good, as = in a=20 real war, people are killed. And thus this war for the communist utopia = had its=20 necessary enemy casualties, the clergy, bourgeoisie, capitalists, = wreckers,=20 counterrevolutionaries, rightists, tyrants, rich, landlords, and = noncombatants=20 that unfortunately got caught in the battle. In a war millions may die, = but the=20 cause may be well justified, as in the defeat of Hitler and an utterly = racist=20 Nazism. And to many communists, the cause of a communist utopia was such = as to=20 justify all the deaths. The irony of this is that communism in practice, = even=20 after decades of total control, did not improve the lot of the average = person,=20 but usually made their living conditions worse than before the = revolution. It is=20 not by chance that the greatest famines have occurred within the Soviet = Union=20 (about 5,000,000 dead during 1921-23 and 7,000,000 from 1932-3) and = communist=20 China (about 27,000,000 dead from 1959-61). In total almost 55,000,000 = people=20 died in various communist famines and associated diseases, a little over = 10,000,000 of them from democidal famine. This is as though the total = population=20 of Turkey, Iran, or Thailand had been completely wiped out. And that = something=20 like 35,000,000 people fled communist countries as refugees, as though = the=20 countries of Argentina or Columbia had been totally emptied of all their = people,=20 was an unparalleled vote against the utopian pretensions of = Marxism-Leninism.=20

But=20 communists could not be wrong. After all, their knowledge was = scientific, based=20 on historical materialism, an understanding of the dialectical process = in nature=20 and human society, and a materialist (and thus realistic) view of = nature. Marx=20 has shown empirically where society has been and why, and he and his=20 interpreters proved that it was destined for a communist end. No one = could=20 prevent this, but only stand in the way and delay it at the cost of more = human=20 misery. Those who disagreed with this world view and even with some of = the=20 proper interpretations of Marx and Lenin were, without a scintilla of = doubt,=20 wrong. After all, did not Marx or Lenin or Stalin or Mao say that. . . . = In=20 other words, communism was like a fanatical religion. It had its = revealed text=20 and chief interpreters. It had its priests and their ritualistic prose = with all=20 the answers. It had a heaven, and the proper behavior to reach it. It = had its=20 appeal to faith. And it had its crusade against nonbelievers. =

What=20 made this secular religion so utterly lethal was its seizure of all the = state's=20 instrument of force and coercion and their immediate use to destroy or = control=20 all independent sources of power, such as the church, the professions, = private=20 businesses, schools, and, of course, the family. The result is what we = see in Table 1.

But=20 communism does not stand alone in such mass murder. We do have the = example of=20 Nazi Germany, which may have itself murdered some 20,000,000 Jews, = Poles,=20 Ukrainians, Russians, Yugoslaves, Frenchmen, and other nationalities. = Then there=20 is the Nationalist government of China under Chiang Kai-shek, which = murdered=20 near 10,000,000 Chinese from 1928 to 1949, and the Japanese militarists = who=20 murdered almost 6,000,000 Chinese, Indonesians, Indochinese, Koreans, = Filipinos,=20 and others during world War II. And then we have the 1,000,000 or more = Bengalis=20 and Hindus killed in East Pakistan (now Bangladesh) in 1971 by the = Pakistan=20 military. Nor should we forget the mass expulsion of ethnic Germans and = German=20 citizens from Eastern Europe at the end of World War II, particularly by = the=20 Polish government as it seized the German Eastern Territories, killing = perhaps=20 over 1,000,000 of them. Nor should we ignore the 1,000,000 plus deaths = in Mexico=20 >from 1900 to 1920, many of these poor Indians and peasants being killed = by=20 forced labor on barbaric haciendas. And one could go on and on to detail = various=20 kinds of noncommunist democide.

But=20 what connects them all is this. As a government's power is more = unrestrained, as=20 its power reaches into all the corners of culture and society, and as it = is less=20 democratic, then the more likely it is to kill its own citizens. There = is more=20 than a correlation here. As totalitarian power increases, democide = multiplies=20 until it curves sharply upward when totalitarianism is near absolute. As = a=20 governing elite has the power to do whatever it wants, whether to = satisfy its=20 most personal desires, to pursue what it believes is right and true, it = may do=20 so whatever the cost in lives. In this case power is the necessary = condition for=20 mass murder. Once an elite have it, other causes and conditions can = operated to=20 bring about the immediate genocide, terrorism, massacres, or whatever = killing an=20 elite feels is warranted.

Finally, at the extreme of totalitarian power we have the = greatest=20 extreme of democide. Communist governments have almost without exception = wielded=20 the most absolute power and their greatest killing (such as during = Stalin's=20 reign or the height of Mao's power) has taken place when they have been = in their=20 own history most totalitarian. As most communist governments underwent=20 increasing liberalization and a loosening of centralized power in the = 1960s=20 through the 1980s, the pace of killing dropped off sharply. =

Communism has been the greatest social engineering experiment = we have=20 ever seen. It failed utterly and in doing so it killed over 100,000,000 = men,=20 women, and children, not to mention the near 30,000,000 of its subjects = that=20 died in its often aggressive wars and the rebellions it provoked. But = there is a=20 larger lesson to be learned from this horrendous sacrifice to one = ideology. That=20 is that no one can be trusted with power. The more power the center has = to=20 impose the beliefs of an ideological or religious elite or impose the = whims of a=20 dictator, the more likely human lives are to be sacrificed. This is but = one=20 reason, but perhaps the most important one, for fostering liberal = democracy.=20 =10

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Rummel New Brunswick, N.J.: Transaction Publishers, 1992 Truth always strange--stranger than fiction ----Byron. Don Juan XIV.ci =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- CONTENTS=20 Figures and Tables Preface Acknowledgments=20 1. 20,946,000 Victims : Nazi Germany 1933 to 1945=20 2. The Holocaust=20 3. The Slavs=20 4. Genocide, Genocide, Genocide=20 5. "Euthanasia," Politicide, and Mass Murder=20 6. Concentration and Death Camps=20 7. Slave Labor=20 8. Lethal Professionalism=20 9. Why?=20 Appendix: Estimates, Calculations, and Sources=20 References=20 Index=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- TABLES AND FIGURES=20 TABLES=20 Table 1.1 . Nazi Democide=20 Table 1.2 . Nazi Democide Rates=20 Table 1.3 . Comparison of Nazi Democide to That of Other Regimes=20 Table A . Estimates, Calculations, and Sources=20 FIGURES=20 Figure 1.1 . Nazi Democide Range=20 Figure 1.2 . Nazi Democide Compared to That of Others.=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- PREFACE* This book is part of a comprehensive effort begun in 1986 to determine = how much genocide and mass murder--what I call democide--have occurred = in this century and why.=20 >From 1984 to 1985, I did a preliminary and very limited assessment of = democide, arriving at a total of 119,394,000 people killed by government = (now seen as underestimating the toll by possibly as much as half = again).1 In 1988 I received a grant from the United States Institute of = Peace to do a more detailed work on democide and to further test the = theory that democracies were the least violent of all political systems. = I had found this true for international and domestic war;2 and in the = preliminary study I found this true as well for democide. The proposed = study also would thoroughly test this theory against comparative = democide statistics. If the theory continues to hold true, then the = conclusion would be inescapable that democracy is not only a method of = governance stressing individual freedom and rights, but also an = effective method of nonviolence and conflict resolution. That is, within = the limitations of any predictions based on the past, democracy would be = a path to a warless and least violent world.=20 The idea was to collect statistics and contextual material on democide = and write them up as chapters for a projected monograph, one country or = case of democide at a time. Once I completed the case studies I would = aggregate their statistics, analyze them, and draw conclusions. The = research started with what I call the megamurderers, those political = regimes that have killed at least 1,000,000 of their own people in cold = blood. The first of these was the Armenian genocide by the Turkish = government during World War I. After I completed research on this, the = statistics and description of the genocide were easy to contain in one = chapter.3=20 However, when I finished research on the next case, the Soviet Union = since 1917, the essential estimates, calculations, and contextual = material were just too much to include in one chapter. The Soviets had = committed an incredible democide of 61,911,000 citizens and foreigners, = and for the reader to understand this I had to put it all into a book, = Lethal Politics: Soviet Genocide and Mass Murder Since 1917. The same = thing was true of the material I collected on the Chinese warlord, = nationalist and communist democide of 53,879,000 people--another book, = China's Bloody Century: Genocide and Mass Murder Since 1900..=20 When I turned to Nazi Germany I was sure that since Nazi genocide and = mass murder was so well known and researched I would easily be able to = confine the essential material on this democide to a chapter. It didn't = work out that way, as this book attests. The appendix and its table of = estimates, calculations, and sources alone turned out to be longer by = far than any appendix tables included in the books on Soviet or Chinese = democide. Also, making sufficient sense of the different kinds of = genocide and other forms of democide for the interested reader still = demanded more space than that available in a chapter, even though the = many popular historical, descriptive, and fictional accounts of Nazi = Germany and the Holocaust made much background unnecessary. So, again, = another book.=20 There is another reason for putting this material into a book. = Regardless of all the work done on the Nazi period in Germany, the = histories, the studies of Nazi aggression and occupation policies and = terror during World War II, and the Holocaust, I know of no systematic = accounting of the total number that the Nazis killed in cold blood.4 = There are many studies, of course, that try to determine the toll among = Jews, and there are some that do the same for Gypsies, Poles, = homosexuals, or concentration camp prisoners. But these have yet to be = totalled together, to include, for example, hostages shot, reprisal = murders, forced labor dead, or those starved to death in intentional = famines. The closest to this is Bohdan Wytwycky's The Other Holocaust: = Many Circles of Hell.5 He pulls together mortality statistics on the = number of Jews, Gypsies, Poles, Byelorussians, Ukrainians, and Soviet = prisoners to arrive at a figure of 15,450,000 to 16,300,000 lost.6 This = figure alone is already huge, even though it omits other groups killed, = including French, Dutch, Greeks, Serbs, and even Germans themselves.7 = Were Wytwycky's study extended to include all the circles of Hell, we = would find that probably 20,946,000 people were murdered by the Nazis.=20 Chapter 1 provides an executive summary of this killing. In the = following three chapters I briefly sketch the well-known and documented = Jewish Holocaust, treat more fully the less heard-of genocide of the = Slavs, and outline the least known genocides of the Gypsies and = homosexuals. In Chapter 5 I cover the Nazi's "euthanasia" program, = killing of critics or opponents (politicide), and mass murder and = reprisals in occupied countries. These substantive chapters describe the = who of Nazi democide. The next two chapters look at two Nazi = institutions through which much of this killing was carried out: the = concentration and death camp system and the massive slave labor program. = The two concluding chapters try to help in understanding all this = murder, particularly the how and why. Finally I present all the = estimates, calculations, and sources in an appendix. The methods and = perspective on the statistics are the same here as my previous books on = democide, as described in their methodological appendices. Since I = presented that in both books, I saw no need to repeat them here. I = should, however, similarly qualify the Nazi totals.=20 No one knows or can give the precise democide figure. Probably even that = for the Jewish Holocaust is wrong. Experts who have painfully sifted = through the Nazi archives, extensively interviewed survivors, and taken = detailed depositions of witnesses have been unable to agree among = themselves on the final total. In his thoroughly documented and = comprehensive work, Raul Hilberg concluded that 5,100,000 Jews died;8 = based on her detailed country-by-country analysis Lucy Dawidowicz = arrived at a figure of 5,933,900 annihilated.9 Gerald Reitlinger = calculated the toll at 4,204,400 to 4,575,400 Jews.10 Taking all such = studies into account and making his own calculations for his Atlas of = the Holocaust, Martin Gilbert arrived at a total of just over 5,750,000 = deaths.11 In the latest such work, the appendix to the Encyclopedia of = the Holocaust, Israel Gutman and Robert Rozett estimated total losses at = >from 5,596,029 to 5,860,129.12=20 Just among these five thorough studies of the available evidence and = statistics, the variation from the lowest to the highest figure is 41 = percent. This is for a genocide carefully administered by a regime that = was better than most about keeping records and statistics, whose = surviving archives and secrets were completely available after the Nazi = defeat, and about which there has been for nearly half a century many = historians dedicated to uncovering the truth. If then the estimate of = the Jewish Holocaust can vary so much, we should hardly expect to get = the true figure on other genocides or mass murder; nor, of course, the = overall democide.=20 The statistical problem is clear, if not easily resolvable. It is how to = determine within some range of error the most likely Nazi democide, = given different published estimates, different kinds of killing, = different events, and different time periods. The approach has to be one = of reasonable approximation. This involves successively narrowing the = range of estimates to what a hypothetical, reasonable analyst would = arrive at from the available information, and then defining within this = range a prudent figure that somewhat reflects the central thrust of the = statistics and historical events.=20 Thus, I present a low-high democide range, with a probable mid-range = estimate, for all the calculated totals and most consolidations in = appendix table A. The low of a range results from aggregating all the = lows of the various estimates; the high comes from similarly = accumulating the highs. Since it is exceedingly unlikely that all the = lows or highs will be correct, this approach gives us a low-high = bracketing of the most likely true democide figure.=20 As this is apparently a first effort to determine an overall democide = total for the Nazi regime, I have tried to present in the appendix all = the material a researcher might need to judge, replicate, or build on = this study, including presenting, where needed, the reasoning involved = in calculating the various totals. I hope that this will facilitate and = encourage future research on this incredible democide.=20 The various chapters describing the genocides and mass murder are not = meant to be historically comprehensive in detail or outline. Much = literature is already available on these events. In these chapters I = only intend to provide sufficient detail and coverage for the general = reader to understand the how, what, and why of such a statistic as = "10,547,000 Slavs murdered," and provide some examples of the killing = that contributes to such totals.=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- NOTES * This is a pre-publisher edited version of the "Preface" in R.J. = Rummel's Democide: Nazi Genocide and Mass Murder, New Brunswick, NJ: = Transaction Publishers, 1992.=20 1. Rummel (1987, 1988).=20 2. Rummel (Understanding Conflict and War, "Libertarianism and = International Violence", "Libertarianism, Violence Within States, and = the Polarity Principle", "Libertarian Propositions on Violence Within = and Between Nations: A Test Against Published Research Results").=20 3. I will include this in my Death By Government (1994), which will = pull all this together and present the analysis.=20 4. From his own research on genocide, including that in the German = literature, Professor Manfred Henningsen of the University of Hawaii has = also found this true (personal communication). He checked at The = Institut fr. Zeitgeschichte in Munich and could find no reference there, = nor did the librarian know of any work on the overall number of people = killed by the Nazis.=20 5. Wytwycky (1980).=20 6. Ibid., pp. 91-92.=20 7. For a regime so thoroughly studied, on which the horror of genocide = has become so indelibly written, it is indeed remarkable that no work on = its overall democide has been done. The reason for this scholarly hole = is worthy of a study in itself. Perhaps this is a reflection of the = postwar loss of memory in Germany and among Western elites over this = democide and refusal to recognize the historical failure to stop it. On = postwar Germany, see Henningsen (1988, 1989).=20 8. Hilberg (1961, p. 767).=20 9. Dawidowicz (1975, p. 403).=20 10. Reitlinger (1968, p. 546).=20 11. Gilbert (1982, p. 245).=20 12. Gutman and Rozett (1990, p. 1799).=20 http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE3.HTM ------=_NextPart_000_008D_01C82AD7.42933CE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Democide:
Nazi Genocide
and = Mass Murder=20

By R.J. Rummel

New Brunswick, = N.J.:
Transaction=20 Publishers, 1992


Truth always strange--stranger than fiction
----Byron. Don = Juan XIV.ci


CONTENTS

Figures and Tables=20 Preface Acknowledgments

1. 20,946,000 Victims : Nazi Germany 1933 to 1945
2. The = Holocaust=20
3. The Slavs
4. Genocide, Genocide, Genocide
5. = "Euthanasia,"=20 Politicide, and Mass Murder
6. Concentration and Death Camps
7. = Slave=20 Labor
8. Lethal Professionalism
9. Why?

Appendix: Estimates, Calculations, and = Sources=20
References
Index
=20


TABLES AND FIGURES

TABLES=20

Table 1.1 .=20 Nazi Democide
Table 1.2 . = Nazi Democide=20 Rates
Table 1.3 . Comparison = of Nazi=20 Democide to That of Other Regimes
Table A=20 . Estimates, Calculations, and Sources =

FIGURES

Figure 1.1 . Nazi Democide Range =
Figure 1.2 . Nazi Democide Compared = to That of=20 Others.


PREFACE*

This = book is part of a=20 comprehensive effort begun in 1986 to determine how much genocide and = mass=20 murder--what I call democide--have occurred in this century and why.=20

From = 1984 to 1985, I did=20 a preliminary and very limited assessment of democide, arriving at a = total of=20 119,394,000 people killed by government (now seen as underestimating the = toll by=20 possibly as much as half again).1 In 1988 I = received a grant=20 >from the United States Institute of Peace to do a more detailed work on = democide=20 and to further test the theory that democracies were the least violent = of all=20 political systems. I had found this true for international and domestic = war;2 and in the=20 preliminary study I found this true as well for democide. The proposed = study=20 also would thoroughly test this theory against comparative democide = statistics.=20 If the theory continues to hold true, then the conclusion would be = inescapable=20 that democracy is not only a method of governance stressing = individual=20 freedom and rights, but also an effective method of nonviolence and = conflict=20 resolution. That is, within the limitations of any predictions based = on the=20 past, democracy would be a path to a warless and least violent world.=20

The = idea was to collect=20 statistics and contextual material on democide and write them up as = chapters for=20 a projected monograph, one country or case of democide at a time. Once I = completed the case studies I would aggregate their statistics, analyze = them, and=20 draw conclusions. The research started with what I call the = megamurderers, those=20 political regimes that have killed at least 1,000,000 of their own = people in=20 cold blood. The first of these was the Armenian genocide by the Turkish=20 government during World War I. After I completed research on this, the=20 statistics and description of the genocide were easy to contain in one=20 chapter.3=20

However, when I finished=20 research on the next case, the Soviet Union since 1917, the essential = estimates,=20 calculations, and contextual material were just too much to include in = one=20 chapter. The Soviets had committed an incredible democide of 61,911,000 = citizens=20 and foreigners, and for the reader to understand this I had to put it = all into a=20 book, Lethal Politics: Soviet = Genocide and Mass=20 Murder Since 1917. The same thing was true of the material I = collected=20 on the Chinese warlord, nationalist and communist democide of 53,879,000 = people--another book, China's Bloody = Century:=20 Genocide and Mass Murder Since 1900.. =

When I = turned to Nazi=20 Germany I was sure that since Nazi genocide and mass murder was so well = known=20 and researched I would easily be able to confine the essential material = on this=20 democide to a chapter. It didn't work out that way, as this book = attests. The=20 appendix and its table of estimates, calculations, and sources alone = turned out=20 to be longer by far than any appendix tables included in the books on = Soviet or=20 Chinese democide. Also, making sufficient sense of the different kinds = of=20 genocide and other forms of democide for the interested reader still = demanded=20 more space than that available in a chapter, even though the many = popular=20 historical, descriptive, and fictional accounts of Nazi Germany and the=20 Holocaust made much background unnecessary. So, again, another book.=20

There = is another reason=20 for putting this material into a book. Regardless of all the work done = on the=20 Nazi period in Germany, the histories, the studies of Nazi aggression = and=20 occupation policies and terror during World War II, and the Holocaust, I = know of=20 no systematic accounting of the total number that the Nazis killed in = cold=20 blood.4=20 There are many studies, of course, that try to determine the toll among = Jews,=20 and there are some that do the same for Gypsies, Poles, homosexuals, or=20 concentration camp prisoners. But these have yet to be totalled = together, to=20 include, for example, hostages shot, reprisal murders, forced labor = dead, or=20 those starved to death in intentional famines. The closest to this is = Bohdan=20 Wytwycky's The Other Holocaust: Many Circles of Hell.5 He pulls = together mortality=20 statistics on the number of Jews, Gypsies, Poles, Byelorussians, = Ukrainians, and=20 Soviet prisoners to arrive at a figure of 15,450,000 to 16,300,000 = lost.6 This figure=20 alone is already huge, even though it omits other groups killed, = including=20 French, Dutch, Greeks, Serbs, and even Germans themselves.7 Were Wytwycky's = study extended=20 to include all the circles of Hell, we would find that probably = 20,946,000=20 people were murdered by the Nazis.

Chapter = 1 provides an=20 executive summary of this killing. In the following three chapters I = briefly=20 sketch the well-known and documented Jewish Holocaust, treat more fully = the less=20 heard-of genocide of the Slavs, and outline the least known genocides of = the=20 Gypsies and homosexuals. In Chapter 5 I cover the Nazi's "euthanasia" = program,=20 killing of critics or opponents (politicide), and mass murder and = reprisals in=20 occupied countries. These substantive chapters describe the who of Nazi=20 democide. The next two chapters look at two Nazi institutions through = which much=20 of this killing was carried out: the concentration and death camp system = and the=20 massive slave labor program. The two concluding chapters try to help in=20 understanding all this murder, particularly the how and why. Finally I = present=20 all the estimates, calculations, and sources in an appendix. The methods = and=20 perspective on the statistics are the same here as my previous books on=20 democide, as described in their methodological appendices. Since I = presented=20 that in both books, I saw no need to repeat them here. I should, = however,=20 similarly qualify the Nazi totals.

No one = knows or can give=20 the precise democide figure. Probably even that for the Jewish Holocaust = is=20 wrong. Experts who have painfully sifted through the Nazi archives, = extensively=20 interviewed survivors, and taken detailed depositions of witnesses have = been=20 unable to agree among themselves on the final total. In his thoroughly=20 documented and comprehensive work, Raul Hilberg concluded that 5,100,000 = Jews=20 died;8=20 based on her detailed country-by-country analysis Lucy Dawidowicz = arrived at a=20 figure of 5,933,900 annihilated.9 Gerald = Reitlinger calculated=20 the toll at 4,204,400 to 4,575,400 Jews.10 Taking all such = studies into=20 account and making his own calculations for his Atlas of the = Holocaust,=20 Martin Gilbert arrived at a total of just over 5,750,000 deaths.11 In the=20 latest such work, the appendix to the Encyclopedia of the = Holocaust,=20 Israel Gutman and Robert Rozett estimated total losses at from 5,596,029 = to=20 5,860,129.12=20

Just = among these five=20 thorough studies of the available evidence and statistics, the variation = from=20 the lowest to the highest figure is 41 percent. This is for a genocide = carefully=20 administered by a regime that was better than most about keeping records = and=20 statistics, whose surviving archives and secrets were completely = available after=20 the Nazi defeat, and about which there has been for nearly half a = century many=20 historians dedicated to uncovering the truth. If then the estimate of = the Jewish=20 Holocaust can vary so much, we should hardly expect to get the true = figure on=20 other genocides or mass murder; nor, of course, the overall democide.=20

The = statistical problem=20 is clear, if not easily resolvable. It is how to determine within some = range of=20 error the most likely Nazi democide, given different published = estimates,=20 different kinds of killing, different events, and different time = periods. The=20 approach has to be one of reasonable approximation. This involves = successively=20 narrowing the range of estimates to what a hypothetical, reasonable = analyst=20 would arrive at from the available information, and then defining within = this=20 range a prudent figure that somewhat reflects the central thrust of the=20 statistics and historical events.

Thus, I = present a=20 low-high democide range, with a probable mid-range estimate, for all the = calculated totals and most consolidations in appendix table A. The low = of a=20 range results from aggregating all the lows of the various estimates; = the high=20 comes from similarly accumulating the highs. Since it is exceedingly = unlikely=20 that all the lows or highs will be correct, this approach gives us a = low-high=20 bracketing of the most likely true democide figure.=20

As this = is apparently a=20 first effort to determine an overall democide total for the Nazi regime, = I have=20 tried to present in the appendix all the material a researcher might = need to=20 judge, replicate, or build on this study, including presenting, where = needed,=20 the reasoning involved in calculating the various totals. I hope that = this will=20 facilitate and encourage future research on this incredible democide.=20

The = various chapters=20 describing the genocides and mass murder are not meant to be = historically=20 comprehensive in detail or outline. Much literature is already available = on=20 these events. In these chapters I only intend to provide sufficient = detail and=20 coverage for the general reader to understand the how, what, and why of = such a=20 statistic as "10,547,000 Slavs murdered," and provide some examples of = the=20 killing that contributes to such totals. =


NOTES

* This is a pre-publisher edited = version of the=20 "Preface" in R.J. Rummel's Democide: Nazi Genocide and Mass = Murder, New=20 Brunswick, NJ: Transaction Publishers, 1992.=20

1. Rummel (1987, = 1988).=20

2. Rummel (Understanding Conflict and War, "Libertarianism and International Violence", "Libertarianism, Violence Within States, and the Polarity=20 Principle", "Libertarian = Propositions on=20 Violence Within and Between Nations: A Test Against Published Research = Results").

3. I will include = this in my=20 Death By Government (1994), which will=20 pull all this together and present the analysis.=20

4. From his own = research on=20 genocide, including that in the German literature, Professor Manfred=20 Henningsen of the University of Hawaii has also found this true = (personal=20 communication). He checked at The Institut fr. Zeitgeschichte in = Munich and=20 could find no reference there, nor did the librarian know of any work = on the=20 overall number of people killed by the Nazis.=20

5. Wytwycky = (1980).=20

6. Ibid., pp. = 91-92.=20

7. For a regime so = thoroughly=20 studied, on which the horror of genocide has become so indelibly = written, it=20 is indeed remarkable that no work on its overall democide has been = done. The=20 reason for this scholarly hole is worthy of a study in itself. Perhaps = this is=20 a reflection of the postwar loss of memory in Germany and among = Western elites=20 over this democide and refusal to recognize the historical failure to = stop it.=20 On postwar Germany, see Henningsen (1988, 1989).=20

8. Hilberg (1961, = p. 767).=20

9. Dawidowicz = (1975, p. 403).=20

10. Reitlinger = (1968, p. 546).=20

11. Gilbert = (1982, p. 245).=20

12. Gutman and = Rozett (1990, p.=20 1799).

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Hoffman II. All Rights Reserved. The Campaign for Radical Truth in History http://www.hoffman-info.com P.O. Box 849, Coeur d'Alene, Idaho 83816 USA. Send $1.00 for our = catalog. Your financial donation =3D our campaign's survival. Donate today! -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- Partial list of Contents: Churchill: Politically Correct Exterminator; = Hitler: The Dupe of "Jewjitsu;" Just Law Enforcement, Not Persecution; = Deep into the Psychology of Opposition; Tall Tales; Jailers, Inquisitors = and Thought Controllers; Lying as an Institution. -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- Turning the Tables: A Revaluation All learning is based upon curiosity and curiosity is the unfettered = exploration of that which is interesting. The weird halo of immunity = which surrounds the Jewish nation is a highly interesting sanction and = no scholar must be faulted for defying it. To pretend that we must = approach the Jewish studies with some special reverence and reserve, = fearful of causing offense, is a totalitarian expectation. It will undoubtedly be the first reaction of a mind-zapped populace to = immediately regard the investigation of the negative factors within the = religion of Judaism as a horrible one, "bound to lead to another = 'Holocaust." That the fanatical chauvinism of Jewish partisanship has been absorbed = into the body politic of the masses of non-Jews to such an overwhelming = extent is a high tribute to the power and effectiveness of Jewish = propaganda. But this writing is not an attack but a defense. Khazars attack = Christianity every week in a newspaper column, magazine article, radio = report, film, television show or book. Few people regard such attacks as = a prelude to the further decay and eventual destruction of the Gentile = people of the West. Such Jewish attacks on Christianity are regarded as = the "normal criticism" any creed must endure at the hands of = truth-seekers, scientists and dispassionate scholars. Within this framework is the presumption of immunity for Judaism. = According to the mindset promoted by the System's public schools and = private universities and the Established "media" organs of mass = communication, Judaism alone among the religions of the world is immune = >from scholarly criticism. First because it is perfect, being the creed = of God's Master or "Chosen" Race and second because, even if it were as = flawed to the degree that secular agnosticism asserts that every = religion is flawed, it would still be wrong to expose it as such because = to do so will lead to another "Holocaust." If one looks beneath the sham appearances of this late 20th century, = that is to say beyond the shuttered provincialism of Jew-worship, one = glimpses the outlines of war. A relentless libel is directed at the = Christian West, or what remains of it in the ruins, in the aftermath of = a half-century of constant propaganda against it. It must be relentless = to insure that no smoldering spark shall leap up to illuminate the = perpetual dark night of the modern era. The story of the crucifixion of an honest man at the behest of the = Jewish religious and political leadership, whose heroic committment to = the truth above all else, testified to his divine patrimony, has been = for 2,000 years a permanent stumbling block to the ascendance of Jewish = world supremacy. Therefore every attack upon the historical reality of = this story and the person and morality of Jesus has been launched by the = Khazars. Where that has proved insufficient, the new state religion of = "Holocaust" Newspeak (absent from dictionaries before 1978) has been = established by all Western governments and by all hireling priests and = preachers. By this means Auschwitz is made to replace Calvary as the = axis mundi of Western history. Though the tale of the destruction of the = Khazars during World War Two has been wildly and shamelessly exaggerated = out of all proportion to what actually occurred in that time, there is = no doubt that Jewish people were murdered in the hundreds of thousands = and that this was a horrible crime. But what is never factored into the equation as the indictment of the = West is prepared on this basis, is the fact that Hitler and his National = Socialist German Worker's Party rose to a fury of indignation against = Jewish people directly as a result of what Jewish communists like = Trotsky (actual name: Leon Bronstein) and Lenin and the = thoroughly-Jewish Bolshevik communist party in Moscow had done to the = Christian peasantry of Mother Russia, which the Germans regarded as = every inch a "holocaust." (The Jewish extraction of Lenin's mother has = long been known to many Russian historians and party bureaucrats with = access to inside information. Cf. "Who was a Jew? Why, Lenin of = Course!", Jerusalem Post International Edition, Jan. 26, 1991, and = Dimitry Volkogonov, Lenin: A New Biography). Both the Jewish historian Arno Mayer in his book Why Did the Heavens Not = Darken? and the German professor of history Ernst Nolte have noted the = essential link between what the Jewish communists did to Christians in = Russia as the basis for retribution against Jewish people in = German-occupied territories. As Prof. Nolte points out, the Jewish communists in Russia founded their = ideology on the demand for extermination on a huge scale. In September = of 1918 Jewish communist Grigori Zinoviev advocated the extermination of = ten million Russians. In 1919 Lenin called for the deaths of millions of = Christian peasants --the kulaks. "...for Hitler, Bolshevism was a genuinely terrible vision constantly = before the eyes." (Ernst Nolte, "The Holocaust Must Be Seen in Context," = The Independent, Nov. 5, 1988). The horrors of Jewish Bolshevism is a vision almost never seen on our = telescreens or newspaper pages. The media of mass communications have = been dominated by Khazars and their sympathizers almost since its = inception. (Cf. Neal Gabler, How the Jews Invented Hollywood and William = Cash, "Kings of the Deal," The Spectator, Oct. 29, 1994). The myth is that Jews were regarded suspiciously in Germany in the 1930s = and eventually punished solely due to sheer Teutonic or Christian = cruelty and irrational hatred. Policed entirely out of the agenda is the = fact that while Nazism was rising in Germany in the 1930s, Jewish = Communist commissars were adminstering death camps and gulags for = millions of Christians trapped inside the borders of the Soviet empire, = a fact never revealed in "Holocaust" studies or movies. While Khazars cry the loudest whenever any group or force obstructs = their ambitions--these cries being infinitely magnified by the = unprecedented brainwashing abilities of the electronic visual media--it = does not necessarily follow that Khazars are in fact the most persecuted = or long-suffering of the peoples of the world. The full, graphic acount of what the Jewish Communists did to Russia and = Eastern Europe has yet to be told. Another objection to this writing will be that it is, by definition = "neo-Nazi" and "crypto-fascist" simply because it does actually dare to = do what Jewish historians and writers do weekly to Christianity: = criticize it. Winston Churchill: The Politically Correct Exterminator Then there is the "extermination" issue. If one attempts a revaluation = of the Communist propaganda about Germany which has been absorbed into = the body politic of the capitalist West, one is met with the cry of = being "an apologist for exterminators." Such lofty moralizing does not = even begin to signify anything unless it is consistent. The same = critique, then, must be launched against all those "conservatives" and = pseudo- "Christians" who defend or admire Winston Churchill. If = Churchill is absolved, one can expect some revisionists to also absolve = Hitler. For it is no less a democratic icon than Winston Churchill who advocated = the extermination of the civilian population of Germany through air = strikes on all German city centers. On July 8, 1940 Churchill wrote that = what was needed against the Germans was, "an absolutely devastating, = exterminating attack by very heavy bombers on the Nazi homeland..." = (Source: Geoffrey Wheatcroft, Spectator, Sept. 29, 1979). In 1956 Churchill told President Eisenhower, "I am, of course, a = Zionist, and have been ever since the Balfour Declaration." ( Herbert = Mitgang, "The Official Churchill in One Volume," N.Y. Times, Nov. 6, = 1991). This campaign of Allied extermination of the German people had been = inaugurated on May 11, 1940 when the Royal Air Force (R.A.F.) was the = first to bomb cities, in this case, German cities: "Churchill ordered a series of night raids on Berlin for the specific = purpose of diverting German attacks from the airfields of London. After = Berlin was attacked six times, the German air force was ordered to = attack London, and, as Churchill anticipated, the pressure on the = airfields was relieved. Thus began the blitz." (Benjamin Colby, Twas a = Famous Victory, p.173, emphasis supplied). But it would not be until Arthur Harris became commander-in-chief of the = R.A.F.'s Bomber Command in February of 1942 that Churchill's plan for = the extermination of the German people by fire was attempted with total = committment. "Harris was...single-minded in his aim: the systematic = destruction of German cities....His new campaign was inaugurated on = March 28, 1942 with the 234-aircraft attack on Lubeck, a medieval town, = strategically insignificant but in Harris's words, 'more like a = fire-lighter than a human habitation.' Lubeck was burned to the ground, = the first of many... "The Ruhr towns were attacked from March to June 1943, Hamburg from July = to November, Berlin from November until March, 1944...Using much more = sophisticated techniques of electronic navigation, of marking and of = bombing, the city was first broken up by explosives-- 'cookies' designed = to blow open doors and windows--and then rained with incendiaries. = Repeated raids overwhelmed the civil defense nd fire services. Bomber = Command attacked Hamburg on 24 July, again on 27 July, with American = attacks in between. The raid of the 27th created a vast firestorm, = destroying 22 square kilometres of the city and killing an estimated = 42,000 people. Fifteen months later Harris would boast that Bomber = Command 'has virtually destroyed 45 out of the leading 60 German = cities... "One undefended city after another was devastated from end to end by = explosion and fire, 'browned' as the repellent R.A.F. phrase had = it...Darmstadt was a beautiful old town in south-west Germany, = economically insignificant and untouched until 11 September 1944, when = it was 'browned' and 12,300 of its inhabitants were killed... "The most famous target in this last phase was Dresden in February, = 1945...But Dresden was no different in kind from the other terror raids = before...(A month later) Wurzburg...a town of complete (military) = unimportance...16 March, 1945...Bomber Command razed the town to the = ground in slightly less than 20 minutes. Wurzburg, like 600,000 German = (civilians), had surrendered unconditionally. "What was especially reprehensible was the way in which Churchill tried = at the end of the war to disassociate himself from the bombing... After = the war Churchill could still write--privately--to an air marshall: 'We = should never allow ourselves to apologize for what we did to Germany.' = But he had the instincts of a professional politician, and foresaw a = reaction. On 28 March 1945 he drafted a memorandum: 'It seems to me the = moment has come when the question of bombing of German cities simply for = the sake of increasing the terror, though under other pretexts, should = be reviewed. "... it (is) impossible for an Englishman born after the war to travel = through Germany without a sense of shame...seeing medieval Nuremburg = which Allied aircraft burnt to the ground and where Allied prosecutors = had the effrontery to accuse Goering and Kesselring of bombing Coventry = and Rotterdam...' ( Wheatcroft, Spectator, op. cit. Also cf. Max = Hastings, Bomber Command.). Christopher Mayhew, former President of the Oxford Union and a British = soldier stationed in Germany wrote: "Have you seen a blitzed town? = London isn't blitzed. Norwich is practically undamaged, a prosperous = peaceful town. German towns are blitzed." (London Review of Books, June = 20, 1985, p.8). Franklin D. Roosevelt: Another Accomplice in the Attempted Extermination = of the German People Americans too are culpable. As historian Ronald Schaffer has documented, = President Franklin D. Roosevelt approved and encouraged the mass murder = of German women and children by the U.S. Army Air Force. A top Roosevelt = staff adviser, David T. Griggs, stated the administration's military = policy explicitly when he wrote that the effort of the U.S. air forces = "should be directed to the disruption of the German economy and the = terrorization of the German people." (Ronald Schaffer, Wings of = Judgment: American Bombing in World War Two, p. 94). It was American P-5l Mustang pilots who swooped down along the banks of = the river Elbe as masses of terrified German women and children huddled = in the daylight aftermath of the firebombing of Dresden. The pilots = machine-gunned these pitiful survivors en masse. In the decay of language that is a signpost of the Orwellian dissolution = of independent thinking in our time, the word holocaust, which by = original definition denotes death by fire, is now assigned almost = exclusively to the deaths of Jews, allegedly by gas. 600,000 German = civilians deliberately burned alive as Allied policy, receive no such = "holocaust victim" status. In fact, it is regarded as some sort of = blasphemy against the canons of "The Holocaust" civic religion that = anyone other than a victim of Hitler is described thus. But anyone who takes the time and trouble to read the official Strategic = Bombing Survey, prepared by the U.S. War Department, under the section = "Morale Division-Medical Branch Report: The Effect of Bombing on Health = and Medical Care in Germany," will find horrorific photographs and = testimony which testifying that the "holocaust" victims of World War Two = also included the German civilians and in the Pacific theatre, the = civilian residents of Tokyo, Hiroshima and Nagasaki. One survivor of the holocaust against the German people was Helga = Hudepohl who wrote, "I was in the isolation ward of a clearly marked = children's hospital in a rural area some 50 miles out side the city (of = Berlin), 7 years old and ill with scarlet fever, when the hospital was = bombed to bits and pieces by Harris' jolly group...Had there really been = a fair 'Judgement at Nuremberg,' Harris would have been one of the = accused and have been sent to the gallows as a war criminal." (Letters, = N.Y. Times, Jan. 18, 1992, p. 22). The deliberate extermination of the German people through air power = resounded among military forces on the ground through the mouthpiece of = the chief propagandist for the Soviet empire, the Jewish Communist = comunications genius, Ilya Ehrenberg. While any college kid can invoke = the name of Joseph Goebbels as eponymous with propaganda, Ehrenburg's = contribution to this infernal science is virtually unknown. It was Ehrenburg who urged the troops of the Red Army, as they advanced = upon the eastern borders of a prostrate and defeated Germany, to rape = and kill every German civilian they could find. Every German girl over = the age of eight in the German village of Nemmersdorf was raped. German = women were nailed to the sides of barns. At Yalta and Potsdam Truman and Churchill approved Stalin's call for the = forced deportation of millions of ethnic Germans in those territories = ceded to him. This resukted in the mass deportation of all Germans from = lands east of the rivers Oder and Neisse. Thousands of German civilians = were crammed into railroad cattle cars by the Communists. Those Soviet = trains arrived in Berlin with a cargo of dead and dying German children = packed like sardines. No "holocaust" movies have been made about the = plight of these hapless children. They were of the wrong nationality and = religion. In Czechoslovakia in July, 1945, German women and children were tossed = >from bridges and more than 2,000 massacred. By the end of 1946, German civilians in the British-occupied zone were = receiving as little as 400 calories of food per day--half the ration the = inmates at Belsen had received under the Nazis. When the post-war expulsions and pogroms were over, two million German = civilians were dead and fourteen million driven from their ancestral = lands in one of the greatest acts of population-transfer in modern = history. We are told that World War Two was "the Good War" against "Germany, a = nation conceived in hell itself" (Leslie Gelb, NY Times), "the greatest = evil ever produced on earth" (Simon Schama). But in so far as our psyche can disengage itself from Jewish demonizing, = the reality is that WWII was a total war, an "unlimited, unconditional = war" against not just Hitler and the Nazis but German women, children = and defenseless elderly who were held to be collectively guilty. President Roosevelt stated, "The German people as a whole must have it = driven home to them that the whole nation has been engaged in a lawless = conspiracy against the decencies of civilization." ( Robert Dallek, = Franklin D. Roosevelt and American Foeign Policy, pp. 472-473). To teach them these "decencies," Mr. Roosevelt sanctioned the policies = of the extirpation of German women and children through air force bombs = and pal "Uncle Joe" Stalin's awfully decent Red Army. Can there be any bloodier a killer on the earth than the do-gooder = liberal? Roosevelt's mentality was first echoed in the U.S. in Abraham = Lincoln's abolitionist legions who were going to punish the South for = its "sins." Maximillien Robespierre, leader of the French Revolution and the "reign = of terror," wrote: "It is necessary to exterminate all those vile and = scoundrely beings who conspire eternally against the rights of man and = against the happiness of all people." A Jewish N.Y. Times editor, Judith Miller, along with most of the kept = press, indicted the Ayatolah Khomeni of Iran for demanding of Iraq only = "unconditional surrender" during the Iran-Iraq war. (N.Y. Times, May 17, = 1992, p. E-3). In the Jewish mentality, only the enemies of Judaism must be fought = unconditionally. >From this mentality was born Menachem Begin's Beirut, Lebanon, August, = 1982 and George Bush's Baghdad, Iraq, 1991. In both wars the = indiscriminate bombing of the civilian population was central to = military strategy, all in the name of sticky-sweet, fairy godmother = platitudes coupled with the dehumanization of the Palestinian and Iraqi = people. In both wars the mass murder of civilians by air power caused = only a ripple of mild protest. Dynastic Christian autocrats of antiquity, equated with "persecution" = and "religious superstition" by the pundits of our "enlightened era," = never implemented any such mass murder military policy as we saw the = Allies commit in World War Two and the Israeli air force perpetrate on = Beirut in the summer of 1982. ( Tony Clifton, God Cried). The groundwork for the military policy of total war emerged in Abraham = Lincoln's war against Southern independence; especially in the conduct = of Generals Sheridan and Sherman. In the Old World, the British war = against the Dutch- South African "Boer" civilians was an augur of the = forthcoming "blessings" of the 20th century. The British can be = acknowledged as the inventors of the first "concentration" camps where = thousands of Boer women and children perished. But while Lincoln was martyred and subsequently canonized as a secular = Federal saint, his military practice was reversed by his successor = Johnson almost immediately and with the exception of the most foaming = abolitionists, the Southern people were soon viewed by their Northern = brethren, as much wronged. A similar revulsion occurred in Britain in = the wake of the pacification of the Boers. Hence it would take the Jewish mentality, ascribing to its opponents = absolute evil unmitigated in terms of reprisals for any previous Jewish = crimes, to create a lasting marriage between modern policies and = resources for total warfare and the permanent dehumanization of the = people against whom those policies are directed, be they Germans, = Palestinians or Iraqis. It is not only Khazars or their proxies who slaughter civilian = populations. World War I was a more than adequate example of the = penchant for slaughter on the part of senile monarchs and corrupt = politicians and generals, Axis or Allied. But it took the Jewish = mentality to paint such slaughter in the terms of a perpetual morality = play wherein any crime is permissible provided it is directed against = those who have dared to raise their heads against Judaism and who, by = Jewish theological definition, can be the only criminals. Hitler and "Jewjitsu" The larger question arises concerning whether Hitler really was an enemy = of the Jewish people. One does not refer here to a parochial sense of = the war years themselves but rather to their long-term consequences. = Hitler as a German nationalist who had assigned himself the task of = revival of Western civilization amid the decay, saw in the isolation, = separation and if necessary, the destruction of world Jewry, the = salvation of Germany and European culture. But the sum effect of his effort was that Hitler was the real founder of = the Israeli state. By losing the war against the Khazars he guaranteed = them the public relations bonanza of all time and these masters of = guilt-inducement took the ball all the way to nationhood. Hitler's faith in the benevolence of the Judeo-masonic government of = Britain and the Jewish ghetto known as the Vatican revealed that he was = another one of those naive schoolboys the right-wing in the West = routinely produces. Moreover, his government was riddled with spies and traitors and he gave = the most important post of the entire German military, the Luftwaffe, to = G=F6ring, who by that time had degenerated into a fat clown out of a = comic opera. By 1944 the German people had a popular saying, that, = "There was no roof over the Reich." This is not to in anyway disparage = the heroism of the individual pilots and commanders of the legendary = Luftwaffe's defensive fighter force, which was the best in the world, = but rather the criminal incompetence of G=F6ring. The chief supporters of the revival of Hitlerism in the world today are = the Jews. Because they hysterically denounce any honest historical = discussion of the virtues as well as the faults of the man and his = regime, they are thereby building up immense pressure within the young, = who are understandably discontented and therefore, attracted to that = which Hitler represents. When a corrupt society wholly condemns a single individual as the = "wickedest man in the history of the world," those discontented elements = of society who are convinced that the system under which they live is = profoundly evil ,will naturally gravitate toward this forbidden, = near-mythic figure of evil. Their logic will be, "If this stinking = society says he was bad, he must have been good." The failure to demythologize Hitler, not just in terms of Hannah = Arendt's "banality of evil," but by making an appraisal of the man = independent of the function and requirements of Allied and Jewish = propaganda, would show him to have been both good and bad; a product of = his times set within the context of the mass murder-machine the Jewish = Communists had got going in Russia from 1917 onward. The Inner Dynamic of Judaism Physical persecution of the Jewish people has always and everywhere = failed in European history as a tactic for confining the kind of = internal influence Pharisees have in native societies. Pogroms and persecutions are completely counterproductive when dealing = with the Jews. It must be remembered that Judaism is an inherently = self-destructive, paranoid creed and the various bickering factions = within Judaism are at any given time on the verge of civil war. The only = factor that can truly unite the Khazars and make them a single force for = power on the world stage, is physical persecution and attack. Without such attack, they inevitably crumble from internal strife. This = is why their Sanhedrin secretly promotes and funds violent persecution = of Jewish people when such opposition is not present among the resident = peasantry of a given nation. If you want to heal the world, leave the = Jews alone, physically. They will destroy themselves or convert and = reform. The problem is, they won't leave us alone. Whenever we get the thing = they fear the most going--when we get going what they = have--community--that's when they unleash every force in their arsenal = against us. Under the current system, a critic of Talmudism and Phariseeism must = always be labeled as a fascist. The term is used by people who don't = know what it means. The most basic concept central to fascism is the = utilization of the power of the state through centralization, to achieve = certain sanctioned ends: the unity of the nation, the advancement of = technology, the solution to the problems of unemployment and housing. Fascism as a system of organization has nothing to do with opposition to = Jews. The founders of the Fascist party in Italy were Jews. Right wing = Zionists of the 1930s and 40s consciously styled themselves Fascists. = The Israeli government is allied with the fascist Phalange Party of = Lebanon, whose militia police the "security zone" in occupied South = Lebanon on behalf of the Zionists. The most successful fascist government was Franklin Roosevelt's = administration whose "New Deal" economic program marshalled the full = resources of the state to operate businesses, conduct commerce, = confiscate wages and earnings. The neo-Nazi invective is equally empty and like "fascist" has meaning = only as an insult intended to intimidate people who tell the truth = fearlessly. It is a manufactured attribute imposed on critics of Judaism = by Jews who insist that to expose their religion or its government in = occupied Palestine to free and irreverent inquiry is tantamount to being = a militiarist, a racist and a lover of dictatorship--and this from a = militarist, racist, dictatorial Israeli regime. The greatest weapon against the Zionists is exposure, to have the widest = possible study, analaysis and dissemination of their authentic teachings = and practices in every field of human endeavor. This will not only = protect non-Jews but will also help in the conversion of the Jewsish = people themselves. Unlike the Allied mass murderers who hold the German people collectively = culpable (as historian Daniel Goldhagen has decreed), one cannot and = must not hold the Jewish people as whole collectively guilty, but only = their leaders, religious and civil, i.e the latter day Pharisees. The New Testament "blood taint" can no longer apply because the original = Jewish race of 2,000 years past is as dead as is the Roman race with = which it was contemporary. There is no pure "Jewish" blood today, only a = racial melting pot of Khazar, Black and Oriental races designated as = "Jewish" on the political expediency. The greatest allies in the struggle against the evils of Judaism have = been in the past and will be in the future, authentic converts from = Judaism (for example Nicholas of Donin and Johannes Pffeferkorn). The emphasis here must be on authenticity, however. The current "Jews = for Jesus" movement is a telling example of a sham conversion since this = group militantly supports the murders and racism of the Zionist Israeli = state in contravention of every Christian principle. They have attempted = to make Christ into a Pharisee. This is an abomination and these are no = true converts. "By their fruits ye shall no them." Zionists Behind Anti-Jewish Violence A productive investigation for an enterprising historian would be the = pursuit of the following line of enquiry: to what extent did the Zionist = Jewish leadership encourage Hitler's violent anti-Jewish policies and to = what extent do they encourage or actually themselves commit violent = attacks upon Jews today? Rabbi E. Schwartz, writing in the N.Y. Times of May 18, 1993: "To = achieve their goal of statehood the Zionists have always deliberately = provoked anti-Semitism...Their interest was not to save Jews, on the = contrary, more spilling of Jewish blood would strengthen their demand of = the nations for the creation of their state." Why would Zionists want to assist violent anti-Jewish opposition? = Perhaps they understand well that Jewish propaganda requires violent = opposition to Jewry and synagogue and cemetery vandalism, in order to = expand their influence and power and where none exist they either incite = it by means of their control of Hollywood-style, neo-Nazi front groups, = or they perpetrate the actions themselves. Just Law Enforcement, Not Persecution Jewish murderers, kidnappers, rapists, usurers and those engaged in = treason and subversion can be executed by the civil authorities upon = indictment, prosecution and conviction in fair criminals trials operated = within the safeguards of the common law jury and appeal process. The = critical point is that they would be executed not because they were = Jewish, but because they were murderers, rapists, kidnappers, usurers, = traitors and subversives. Moreover, non-Jewish usury bankers, loan = sharks, murderers, rapists, kidnappers and abortionists are even more = culpable than Zionist crooks and killers, since the non-Jewish criminals = are additionally guilty of betraying their own kind. These would most = certainly be liable to a death penalty for their crimes. In this way the ruling class, arch-criminals in the masonic and = corporate elite who seek to escape justice when Biblical forces come to = power, on the basis of their skin color or claims about their = naivete,=B4 will be foiled. The Pharisees could never have gotten to = first base in their push for the reign of Anti-Christ were it not for = their allies among the masonic and corporate overclass--nearly dynastic = families who are attempting to impose a police state for the benefit of = bankers, lawyers, Zionists and their "Aryan" cronies. Equal Rights and Justice Legal executions of Pharisees who are guilty of crimes cannot be = considered as "violent opposition" to Jewish people because these = actions would be meted out uniformly, without regard to race or creed, = on the basis of crimes committed by any malefactor. Hence the punishment = is a legal rather than a vigilante function of the civil powers who, = according to the Bible, "bear not the sword in vain." There will be those who will ask, "Why accord Jewish killers--or any = other killer for that matter--benefit of law? If we know they are = culpable, why not just initiate summary executions?" History teaches that such vigilante acts always denegerate into a = witchhunt against innocents with whom the vigilantes have private scores = and vendettas to settle, and who exact their revenge by means of lumping = their personal enemies into the general category of "enemies of the = people." Such actions are the hallmark of the French Revolution and = Bolshevism and of Oriental despotism and Latin American societies--forms = of corruption and cruelty which are inimical to Biblical and European = yeoman values. In a key exchange attributed to Sir Thomas More by Robert Bolt, More = answers the objections of his hot-headed son-in-law, Roper, who urges = him to use his position as Lord Chancellor to eliminate his enemies: "Mrs. More: While you talk, he's gone! (A reference to More's dangerous = personal enemy, Richard Rich, who has just left the house). More: And go he should, if he was the Devil himself, until he broke the = law! Roper: So now you'd give the Devil benefit of law! More: Yes. What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get = after the Devil? Roper: I'd cut down every law in England to do that. More: Oh? And when the law was down and the Devil himself turned 'round = on you--where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This = country's planted thick with laws from coast to coast...and if you cut = them down--and you're just the man to do it--do you really think you = could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I'd give the = Devil benefit of law, for my own safety's sake." In the preceding dialogue we observe the ethos later exhibited by the = American Revolutionaries of 1776 who were successful in winning and = sustaining a revolution based on justice and equality before the law. = Khazars cannot legitimately claim persecution under such a system of = just law and enforcement. Indeed, it is the integrity of just such a = system which distinguishes our values and way of life from those of = Zionists, Oriental despots and banana republics. Deep into the Psychology of Opposition Hitler's techniques has been harnessed today in America to the ends of = the contemporary corporate, capitalist state and exhibited at great = profit at every stadium-sized, "rock muzak" concert and every "Super = Bowl" and "World Series." If there is any genuine, potent, corporate "neo-Nazism" extant today, it = exists on the rock stage or the pro sports field, where the same = sloganeering, and submission, as was witnessed in the techniques and = adulation accorded Hitler and the Nazi party, are put in service of the = American capitalist system. But whereas at least Hitler did these things = in the name of his nation and indigenous culture, American corporate = fascism exists solely to enrich a gangster class of money grubbers. And lest it be thought that we imagine that only Jews grub for lucre, = the lessons of our literature, from the American Mrs. McTeague in Frank = Norris' McTeague, who out-Jewed the Jewish ragman in avarice, to the = Englishman Monks in Charles Dickens' Oliver Twist , who outdid Fagin in = villainy, and Mark Twain's townful of crooked hypocrites in Hadleyburg, = are all reminders that we are not to imagine that white Aryans possess = any immunities from evil or that Jewish persons possess any monopoly = upon them. But they key here is that by casting themselves as hunted fugitives from = Christian vigilantes, the Jewish psychology has been able to blackmail = humanity into tolerating the Jewish invasion of Palestine and the = displacement and murder of its people, along with control of, or = inordinate influence over, the money and mass media of every Western = nation. In truth Jewish operatives have controlled the governments of = the West for decades and in some cases (Great Britain for example), = centuries. If we look deep beneath the hoodwink we observe that it is = the non-Jewish dissidents who are the victims of the supposed "Jewish = martyrs." The Mentality When a Jewish professor of philosophy from Louisiana State Univ. = attacked the late anthropologist Joseph Campbell as an anti-semite, he = phrased the attack not in terms of the quest for the truth about the = nature of the Jews, but in terms of how Jews are "disparaged" by = Campbell. The Jewish professor said that Joseph Campbell, "invariably = disparaged Judaism as literalistic, chauvinistic and parochial--stock = anti-semitic epithets." (NY Times Dec. 2, 1989, p. 26). In other words, Campbell is wrong because he spoke truths that = "disparage" Judaism. These truths are identified as coming from a = "stock" of epithets that the writer identifies as being hateful or = anti-semitic. But since it is true that Judaism is parochial and highly = chauvinistic, how does it become grounds for censure when these truths = have been known for hundreds, even thousands of years and form a body of = traditional Western observation upon the Jews which the Jewish writer = seeks to delegitimize by terming them "epithets?" Another phenomenon at work is the assumption that Jews themselves have = no framework of hate within their own tradition, no "stock epithets" for = Christians. Anti-Christianism isn't even a recognized term in the = English language. To defend one's Western heritage and point to the = stock epithets of anti-Christianism prominent in Judaism, is to practice = hate, according to the received opinion of our day. For Jews to accuse a non-Jew of hating Jews is a noble act of human = rights pique. But for a non-Jew to accuse a Jew of hating Gentiles is = itself regarded as hateful. This mentality of the hypocritical = double-standard is a Jewish mentality. Jews absolve themselves of much of what they accuse others of. = Syndicated columnist Joseph Sobran states: "The name of this little game is keeping the goyim on the defensive at = all times. If they can't be refuted, attack them personally: Insinuate = that whatever they say in their own defense is actuated by the worst = motives, motives which it goes without saying, have no equivalent among = Jews themselves, who are always acting in self-defense. The standard = public rhetoric only recognizes anti-Semitism, it hardly imagines the = possibility of anti-Gentilism...It's as if hatred, fear, suspicion and = contempt could only occur on one side. "...There is no hyphenated cussword in general use to stigmatize = hostility to Christianity...Leon Wieseltier can call a cross on a = convent at Auschwitz 'sickening,' and nobody condemns him...Israeli = soldiers can beat up a priest on the West Bank, then shoot up his church = during Mass, and only the Catholic press takes note...If Christians had = done such a thing to a synagogue, anywhere, it would have been = front-page news, everywhere. (Wanderer, Oct. 12, 1989, p. 7; National = Review, March 16, 1992, p. S-5). Indeed, in the fabrication of so-called, in the dreadful Newspeak of New = York Times-ese, "hate speech" law codes, law makers deliberately design = them with the concept of silencing critics of Jews on the assumption = that only the critics of the Jews are capable of hate; the supposition = being that Jews are immune to hating or if they do hate, their hatreds = must be excused in light of the "Holocaust." Michael Thomas, writing in = Hanover Place, states, "...these days there seems to be quite a few = people who shout 'Holocaust!' when given a parking ticket." Timothy Danson, a Canadian constitutional lawyer, advocates laws for the = suppression of critics of Judaism: "...the concept of freedom of speech = does not entail the protection by the courts, of malicious lies." Here = we see the axiom that anyone who criticizes Judaism is a liar. This is a = totalitarian position and makes the Jews divine in the way the European = monarchs and Chinese emperors were regarded as having "Divine Right." Danson goes on to say, "Anti-semitism does not fall within the category = of ideas or opinions that ought to be protected by the Canadian Charter = of Rights and Freedoms. The anti-semite has chosen hate...and therefore = he need not concern himself with truth or reason." This Canadian lawyer is saying that to criticize Judaism or Jews is an = act of hate. Because he is totally steeped in the Jewish version of the = world this lawyer cannot conceive of the possibility that Judaism might = be a tyranny and to criticize tyranny is liberation. This Canadian Constitutional lawyer states that opposition to Jews = cannot be grounded in truth or reason. That is to say, according to Mr. = Danson, it is irrational and mendacious to criticize Jews or Judaism. = Here we see the creation of a special category of immunity for Judaism. Mr. Danson goes further and states that those who criticize Judaism are = insane criminals: "The anti-semite's point of departure emanates from = irrationality..The anti-semite is a sadist, and in the very depths of = his heart, a criminal." Thus the critics of Judaism are dehumanized to the utmost: they are = cruel, they are criminals, they are crazy. Criminals and the insane have = no rights and this is precisely what this prominent Canadian = constitutional lawyer is advocating: that those who dare to criticize = Judaism ("anti-semites") be denied any rights. But the question springs to mind, what of Jews who criticize or hate = Palestinians or Christians, are they also insane sadists and criminals = who must be dealt with by Canada's "criminal justice system"? Mr. Danson has the answer: "History speaks of the bloody persecution of = the Jews over the centuries." In Mr. Danson's world-view, carefully = imbibed from the official history of the Jewish version of education and = information, only Jews suffered a notable "bloody persecution." = Palestinians and Christians are cast only as the villains, never the = victims of Zion. (Canadian Jewish News, Aug. l8, l988, p. 9). The psychiatricization of the issue is a commonplace. Kenneth Stern, the = American Jewish Committee's expert on "hate groups" (they mean gentile = hate groups since Jewish supremacists and terrorists are not included) = and author of A Force Upon the Plain: The American Militia Movement and = the Politics of Hate regards the militia, a Second Amendment = constititional phenomenon, as "the eruption of irrational behavior." = They are also "paranoid" and possessed of a "deteriorating mental = state." (Cf. N.Y. Times, Feb. 12, 1996, p. B-2). Funny, but this writer knows of a nation of people who have made a = religion out of paranoia. In fact Stern's book is filled with page after = page of warnings about an "impending pogrom" against--guess who? History is more than the records that issue from the official sources = and the monopolies on academic investigation. The founding leadership of = the communist movement in Russia responsible for the slaughter of 20 = million Christians, was predominately Jewish. The mass murder of = Palestinian women and children by the Israeli army and air force is a = modern example of Jewish atrocities against non-Jews. This slaughter was = aided by the Soviet communist Jews who in 1948 smuggled weapons to the = Zionists in Tel Aviv using Czechosloakia as a conduit. (Christian News, = May 31, 1993, p.7). One of the bloodiest butchers of Russian Christians was Leon Bronstein, = a Jew who later changed his name to Trotsky and was the first commander = of the communist Red Army. Trotsky's great, great grandson, David = Axelrod, resides in Israel where he terrorizes Palestinian civilians = just as his great, great grandfather terrorized Russian Christians. In = November of 1990, Axelrod shot to death an elderly Arab couple who were = on their way to pick olives in a village near Nablus (Village Voice, = Nov. 20, 1990, p. 30). Anti-Semanticism What is also very interesting about the term anti-semitism which has = escaped analysis is that the use of the phrase is itself an instrument = of hate since it is a means of equating a person with being "insane," a = "criminal" and a "sadist." Persons thus labeled are subject to the loss = of employment, housing and civil and human rights. What is the definition of an anti-semitic act? In so serious a crime, = the felonious conduct should be clearly indicated. In spite of much = palaver to the contrary, the definition is much akin to the logic of the = Red Queen of Alice's Wonderland who said that a word was "Anything I = want it to be." Someone is an anti-semite simply by criticizing Jews, = Judaism or the Israeli state. In other words, for doing anything that = Jews deem offensive. For example, when journalist Patrick Buchanan criticized the Jewish role = in the formation of U.S. Middle East foreign policy, Abe Rosenthal, = contributing editor of the N.Y. Times, compared Buchanan to Nazi = soldiers who forced Jews into the Warsaw ghetto! (NY Times, Sept. 27, = 1990, p. 14). The term anti-semite then, applies equally to the = murderers of Jews as to the critics of Jews. Profesor of Literature Hugh Kenner in a letter to William F. Buckley = Jr.: "The points on which I agree with Joe Sobran are 1a)that the state = of Israel is mighty arrogant in its presumption of entitlement to U.S. = handouts and general compliance; 1b) that a large & influential U.S. = Jewish population shares this presumption...2) that 'anti-semitism' is a = rather facile label for habitual objections to 1a and 1b...I note from a = recent NY Times that Abe Rosenthal...was not satisfied with your = treatment of Pat Buchanan. "It is surely evident that such as he will never be satisfied by = anything short of a casting of whoever annoys them into outer darkness, = and I think it is a mistake to let them control the terms of the = discourse. 'Anti-semitism'--here I agree with Joe--has no stable = meaning; it can run all the way from gas ovens to a mere wish that Abe = R. would moderate his frenzies. And a term that has no stable meaning is = simply not a profitable head for rational discussions." (National = Review, March 16, 1992, p. S-22). It is questionable whether Kenner's statement would even be allowed once = Orwellian "hate speech" criminal codes are fully developed and enforced. = Any kind of deep, critical thinking analyzing matters such as who sets = the terms of discourse and what the phrase anti-semitism actually means = (nothing) and is used for (to silence original thought), are slated to = be criminalized. Kenner's reasoned attempt to decide what are the = grounds for "rational discussion" would be labeled as "irrational" and = "sadistic." The defense against Prof. Kenner's thoughts must be in terms of the = denunciation of a heretic, a "criminally insane hater" who has the gall = to deny the True Faith of Absolute Belief in the Infallible Goodness of = Judaism. The superstructure of piety is erected over the framework of = debate. The state religion of the otherwise agnostic, terminal West = emerges--the Church of the "Holocaust"--cloaked in the moth-eaten, = dusty, ermine robes not used since the coronations of popes, czars and = emperors. High Priest Eric Breindel of the NY Post announces that "after = Auschwitz, express hostility to the essential Zionist endeavor on the = part of a Western intellectual requires an explanation." (NY Post, Jan. = 16, 1992, p. 27). The Los Angeles Times decrees the fantastic dogma that public criticisms = of Jews are precursors of a Holocaust. (L.A. Times, Feb. 6, 1990, p. = A-5). Milking the guilt-dogma of this state religion, the N.Y. Times alleges = that "It reeks of anti-semitism to suggest that survivors of the = Holocaust are to be condemned for establishing a haven in the only state = in which Jews form the majority." (NY Times, Dec. 17, 1991, p. 20). Here = is the sacred state-church dogma of the "Holocaust" in action as it is = invoked to block condemnation of the "holy" Israeli people and achieve = political gain for the Zionist state. The association of a stench with condemnation of Israeli murder and = dispossession of Palestinians effectively stops any further clearheaded = analysis of the terms the NY Times has established for dealing with = Israelis. By the same logic, Cambodians must be immune from condemnation = if they murder and dispossess ethnic Chinese and Vietnamese in Cambodia, = because they too are "survivors of a holocaust" who are "establishing a = haven in the only state in which Cambodians form the majority." According to Prof. Irv Abella, "The Holocaust metaphor being used = against Israel is a group libel..." (Canadian Jewish News, Dec. 26, = 1991, p. 4). Apparently Jews have a copyright on the word, a proprietary = relationship that forbids its application to the mass murders the "holy = people" themselves perpetrate upon mere Palestinians. That we are dealing with a religious impulse rather than merely a debate = between competing ideas can be seen in the fact that the believers in = the Church of the Holocaust are unable even to imagine an alternative = view. Joseph Sobran in his published debate with William Buckley: "An anti-semite' in actual usage, is less often a man who hates Jews = than a man certain Jews hate. The word expresses the emotional explosion = that occurs in people who simply can't bear critical discourse about a = sacred topic, and who experience criticism as profanation and blasphemy. = The term 'anti-semitism' doesn't stand for any intelligible concept. It = belongs not to the world of rational discourse, but to the realm of = imprecations and maledictions and ritual ostracisms." (National Review, = March 16, l992, p. S-5). Sobran's epigram about anti-semitism being more properly defined as a = man Jews hate, is corroborated by the knowledge that when Jews heatedly = disagree with one another they sometimes call each other "anti-semites." = When Michael Bar-Zohar of the Israeli Labour Party voted for religious = Jews to be subject to the Israeli army draft like all other able-bodied = young Jews, he was called an "anti-semite" and a "Nazi" by members of = the Shas and Degel HaTorah parties in the Knesset. (The Jewish Ledger, = April 2, 1992, p. 24). When Israeli Prime Minister Yithak Rabin chose to recognize the = Palestine Liberation Organization in Gaza, his Jewish political rivals = produced posters showing Rabin dressed in a Nazi uniform. Later this = "Nazi" was murdered by a fellow Zionist. It is fitting that in this most stupid of all ages, when man has become = puffed up on his own supposed scientific grasp of the universe he = presumes to have mastered, that we should witness the crowning = self-mockery of this creed of rational modern progress, in its = enslavement to the racist, superstitious religion of Judaism, to which = all good citizens of the One World Utopia must make obeisance or stand = stigmatized as "anti-see mites," a species akin to that of an insect. The insect analogy is apropos. The former chief of staff of the Israeli = armed forces, Raphael Eitan, referred to the Palestinian people as = "cockroaches scurrying around in a bottle." The Blood and Soil ideology of Zionism which has violently dispossessed = the native Palestinians of 92% of their land and which guarantees = immigration only to Jews, is racist to the core. Equality between Arabs = and Jews in the Israeli state is a fiction. Yet, according to the N.Y. = Times, to say that Zionism is just that--organized, nationalistic = racism-- "remains code language for bigotry." (NY Times, Sept. 24, 1991, = p. 30). By N.Y. Times logic it is an act of bigotry to point out that Zionism = constitutes bigotry against Arabs. This is the Jewish mentality par excellence. They've internalized their chauvinism to such an extent that they are = literally incapable of objectivity or dispassionate examination of their = own foibles, pretensions, myths and legends. And the idea that speaking = out against the racism of Zionism, is some form of racism, is a = palimpsest of fraud. Beneath the branch of Zionism is an even more = unlovely tree, the ferocious hate-mongering at the very heart of the = religion of Judaism. Tall Tales Only a nation of infants who have been spoon-fed the pablum of = relentless Jewish propaganda would question the reality of Judaism's = race-hate doctrines. Jewish hasbara (propaganda) is first and foremost = based on brazen lying, the more outrageous the better. Though they have = accused Hitler of the Big Lie technique they are themselves the chief = practicioners of it. In addressing the Jewish leadership, Christ said = they were, "Of your Father, a murderer and a liar from the beginning." = (John 8:44). When gas chamber doubter Bradley Smith placed a series of nationwide = advertisements in college newspapers for his views, Harvard Law = professor Alan Dershowitz rushed to respond, denouncing Smith nationally = in print as a "known...anti-Black racist." This was a complete lie made = up out of thin air. Said Smith, "So far as anti-Black racism goes, in = all the stuff I've written over the last 20 years I've never written a = word on that issue. It can't even be argued. It's a complete = invention...They make any accusation that comes to mind, confident that = media won't try to find out the truth of the matter." (Smith's Report, = Dec. 1991, pp. 2-3). A few years ago National Public Radio (NPR), a taxpayer financed = enterprise, championed the cause of 72 year old David S. Rubitsky, who = claimed that only "anti-semitism" was keeping him from receiving the = Congressional Medal of Honor for having single-handedly killed more than = 600 Japanese soldiers in a battle. According to Rubitsky, he fought off = waves of Japanese soldiers in all-night fight and saved his battalion. = He said Japanese bodies were "piled like cordwood." He told reporters: = "Some were still alive. Some I just hit in the shoulder and couldn't = move. Some in the legs. So I would just shoot them and bayonet them, = shoot them and bayonet them. I was a completely insane man." As soon as NPR and the NY Times discovered that there was a Jew who was = not getting the highest military award, that magic explanation for all = Jewish troubles, "anti-semitism," was summoned. The Times and NPR = reflexively played the hound to the U.S. Army's hare. As it turned out, = Rubitsky's account was conclusively proved false. Rubitsky's evidence, a = Japanese inscription on a photograph, was judged by both military = experts and historians in the U.S. and Japan to be "100 percent...a = forgery." However, since this was a Jew the media were dealing with, the NY Times = conceded that, "In a reflection of the delicacy of the matter...Army = officials and members of Congress were careful not to portray Mr. = Rubitsky as a deliberate liar...simply an honorable old soldier with a = foggy memory." (NY Times, Dec. 16, pp. 1 and 14; Dec. 17, 1989; also cf. = Researcher newsletter, vol. 3, no. 5, p. 1). Indeed it must have been a = very foggy night out there in the Pacific. One wonders if the perpetrator of this little yarn had been an aging, = hillbilly, good ol' boy from north Alabama, what pyrotechnic paroxysms = of pointed media indignation would have been directed at his church, his = culture and his community? The same "foggy memories" applied in the Israeli trial of Cleveland = auto-worker John Demjanjuk, where several Jewish "eyewitnesses" swore, = without a trace of doubt or shadow of uncertainty, that Demjanjuk was = the infamous "Ivan the Terrible," gasser-general of Treblinka. Demjanjuk = was convicted and sentenced to hang on the strength of these "honorable = old" Jewish "eyewitnesses." Only later did researchers working for his = family prove that Ivan the Terrible was long dead and Demjanjuk was not = him. To say that some Jews are known for telling lies is not wrong if it is = the truth. But the Jewish response is not to argue the point, but to categorize it = and place it in their mad panopoly of pathology. In the Jewish = mentality, to indict some Jews for a crime of which they are guilty is a = form of sickness. Hence to say that some Jews are known for a propensity = to lie, will not evince an admission from Jews that the Congressional = Medal of Honor seeker was a fraud ,as are many so-called "survivors" of = the "Holocaust." But rather, the Jewish response is to say that accusing Jews of lying = has been part of the "familiar libels" and "stock charges" of history. = No real defense is offered, only the demand, based on the prestige and = media clout of the Jews, that they are to be believed and their critics = silenced and reviled. Elemental discourse with Jews becomes impossible = under such circumstances because Jews insist on non-negotiable = absolutes: that they are, by divine right, God's master race, and that = traditional Western Civilization's portrayal of them as money-mad, liars = and extreme racists is always wrong. This Jewish stance necessitates an investigation into what Jewish = tradition holds about Western Christian civilization and Gentiles in = general to determine if it is Western tradition that is wrong and Jewish = tradition blameless, or whether they may be something evil within = ancient Jewish tradition. That we have the right to sift Judaism for evil traditions is certainly = a turnabout of fair play since leading Jewish spokesmen have been = condemning Western traditions as evil since the rise of mass = communications. Denying us the right to sift their tradition for = evidence of evil and criminality while they do it to us constantly, is = the Jewish mentality in action. Take for purposes of citation, the New Testament story of Jesus chasing = the Jewish money-lenders out of the Temple. If we suggest that there = might be a co-equivalent in our time of Jewish capitalists robbing the = economies of the West, Zionists will condemn the point not on the basis = of fact but by screaming "anti-semitism" and trotting out their shopworn = cliches about "reeks of a stench of bigotry," "an accusation worthy of = medieval inquisitors" and other similar linguistic devices intended to = avoid debate on the merits or lack of same of the accusation. Yet the facts speak for themselves: nine out of ten of the people = indicted in Wall Street insider-trading securities' fraud are Jewish. = James B. Stewart's 1991 book about the chief Wall Street money-changer = crook of our time, the Khazar Michael Milken, is aptly titled Den of = Thieves. The sad fact is that, whether 2,000 years ago or now, some Jews = have an innate propensity for crooked financial dealings. This is admitted privately by the Jews themselves. Chaim Bermant is an = orthodox Jewish columnist for the national Zionist newspaper Jewish = Chronicle based in Britain. In his writing of March 1, 1991 he upholds = the observation that Jews are essentially dependents who must prey on a = productive people in order to survive. Chaim Bermant asks: "...why are Jews wildly successful at making money everywhere else in = the world except Israel?..in Israel there are no Gentiles, i.e. no = suckers waiting to be got the better of. Where everybody is on the ball, = how can anybody score goals?" This is the truth about Israelis from the mouth of a Khazar himself, = whose opinion carried enough of the ring of authenticity, to be repeated = in print in a major Jewish newspaper. Yet if you or I repeat this truth = we are subject to invective and even prosecution. Yet I maintain that many Irishmen have a propensity for alcoholism, many = Germans for petty bureaucracy, many Americans for mindless Babbittry, = many Scotsmen for parsimony and many Englishman for homosexuality. = Whether I am right or wrong in these characterizations should be argued = on the basis of historical fact and statistical analysis, not hysterical = screaming and laws intended to criminalize one's thoughts and writings. In fact, though Irishmen, Germans, Americans, Scots and English might = not like what I have to say and might counter forcefully with facts and = figures of their own to dispel my conceptions, few of them would seek to = pass laws to imprison those who hold such uncomplimentary views, = probably because deep inside, these Irish, Germans, Americans, Scots and = English know their own worth as great peoples who have led great = civilizations. Jailers, Inquisitors and Thought Controllers It is the Zionists who have such tremendous insecurities about their = contributions to world history and if truth be told, a clandestine = knowledge of the truth of their critics' accusations, so that they must = resort to the jailer's turnkey to maintain their world hegemony. It is = because the truth carries its own special sting that Jews call for the = imprisonment of their intellectual critics. The persecution trombone will inevitably squeek out a long row of shrill = notes at this juncture. At long last, a comonsense approach to this = subject must be argued. If Jews habitually lie and cheat whose fault is = it if they are "persecuted" as they call it? The more proper word is = prosecuted. Moreover, in the annals of history the Irish have been among the most = persecuted people on earth. The treatment of the Germans in the U.S. = during World War One bordered on a lynch-mob mentality and at the end of = World War Two, millions of German civilians perished as a result of = deliberate mass explusions and population transfers. Thanks to Jewish = influence over the media of mass communications, little or none of this = is known to the public. More importantly, we are enjoined to speak the truth no matter what the = consequences, come what may. It is the mentality of a slave to hold back = or suppress the truth because of what may result from having spoken or = written it. The "poisecution" claim of the Khazars is no grounds for = refusing to tell the truth about them. All learning is based upon curiosity and curiosity is the unfettered = exploration of that which is interesting. The weird halo of immunity = which surrounds the Jewish nation is a highly interesting sanction and = no scholar must be faulted for defying it. To pretend that we must = approach the Jewish question with some special reverence and reserve, = fearful of causing offense, is a totalitarian expectation. All investigations must be free and impartial and lead wherever the = evidence leads; anything less is Orwellian. Only in the presence of a = dictator are we compelled to exhibit a fawning sychophancy and certain = Jews have become every inch the dictators of what constitutes the = "proper" bounds of writing and research, as surely as any Ming Dynasty = emperor or Stalinist commissar decreed the perimeters for scholars in = those eras. Such a dictatorship of the mind can only be rightfully resented. The Talmud: The Original Hate Propaganda Volumes What is clear from this debate is that either one heritage or the other = must be indicted as evil: either Western Civlization was irredeemably = evil for having prosecuted and punished the saints and angels who = comprised God's Chosen Representatives on Earth, or Judaism is an evil = creed which instills in its followers a willingness to lie, cheat and = murder those whom their Talmud dehumanizes as goyim, resulting in = natural resistance from non-Jews. Isn't it interesting that while it is considered utterly correct, moral = and proper to paint the whole of Western Civilization as evil for = alleged crimes against the Jews, it has been ruled totally inadmissible, = immoral and racist to condemn Judaism as an evil force? In this matter of the Talmud and the allegation that Jews ferociously = hate and despise non-Jews as part of their religious instruction, we can = argue from a body of facts and documentation which will send those = liberals who are always calling for dialogue, scurrying for the nearest = police station to demand our arrest. They do not want and cannot endure a frank, open dialogue on the = contents of the Jewish sacred book, the Talmud, or on the extent to = which Judaism is infected with institutional racism and hatred for = non-Jews. Like any superstitious zealot, they are content to conform to = the official decree of the state religion of "Holocaust" piety. Critical = analysis and thinking independent of received opinion--faculties cited = as absolutely indispensable by liberals when considering any other = religion--are discarded when it comes to Judaism. Here one is abjured = only to bend the knee, tip the hat and be on one's way. This cowardly betrayal of our God-given powers of reason--also advocated = by conservatives--should anger any researcher or scholar worth his or = her salt and that anger ought to be translated into the most rigorous = and thorough, impartial examination of Judaism it is within our power to = render. Such an examination, to be valid, must begin with the Jewish = sources themselves. Whenver the subject of hatred and racism in the Talmud is raised, = certain Jewish rabbis nearly always respond with a barrage of = name-calling, coupled with a statement that the Talmud is free of all = such negativity. This is the official position, promoted in the media = intended for consumption by Gentiles. But let us see what the Jews say = in publications intended for each other. The Jewish Press is reputed to be the largest Jewish newspaper in = America. Politicians court it for endorsements and orthodox Jews consult = it for instruction. Rabbi Simcha Cohen writes an authoritative teaching = column in The Jewish Press entitled, "Halachic Questions." In his column Rabbi Cohen stated, concerning the Talmud's view of = "heathens," that is, non-Jews, that they are "animals." Rabbi Cohen = writes that the Talmudic teaching that non-Jews are animals can be found = in the Talmud books Gemara Kiddushin 68a and Metzia 114b. (The Jewish = Press, Feb. 19, 1988, p. 10A). Jewish men are admonished not to marry a non-Jewish women because such = women all have the status of zona that is, prostitutes. According to = Rabbi Samuel A. Turk, writing in The Jewish Press of June 22, 1990, p. = 38, quoting the halachic authority, Gentiles are not allowed to marry = into Israel because Israel must have within it "no harlot;" and "neither = shall there be a sodomite." In other words, non-Jewish men are all = regarded as homosexuals and non-Jewish women are all regarded as = prostitutes. Furthermore, according to Rabbi Simcha Cohen, if a Jewish woman marries = a Gentile man, she becomes a zona, that is to say, a prostitute. Rabbi = Cohen: "...marriage to a Gentile can never be sanctified or condoned, such a = liason classifies the woman as a zona...common parlance interprets the = term zona to refer to a prostitute..." This is qualified by Talmudic authorities in that a Jewish woman would = not be called a zona who conducted a prostitution service exclusively = with Jewish men: "Indeed, premarital sex of a Jewish woman to a Jewish = man does not automatically brand the woman a zona..." A Jewish woman = becomes a prostitute or zona in the eyes of the Talmud only when she = marries or otherwise has sexual relations with a non-Jew. (Jewish Press, = Feb. 19, 1988, p. 8C). The Talmudic view of non-Jewish women as prostitutes is widespread among = Jews. The Yiddish word for a Gentile woman is shiksa, which means whore, = >from the Hebrew root word, sheigetz ("abomination"). The Yiddish word = for Gentile girls is shikselke, meaning "little female abomination." = (Chaim Bermant, "Some Carefully and Carelessly Chosen Words, Jewish = Chronicle, May 17, 1991). These unlovely racist-Jewish appellations have been transliterated into = English slang in American popular culture in the use of the word bimbo = ("stupid whore") as an insulting description of good-looking, blonde = White women. A classic example of the Jewish hatred of such women was = exhibited by Lisa Schwarzbaum in her essay entitled "Blonde Ambition," = which was published in the NY Daily News: "The garden-variety bimbo of today is a woman who is inescapably = blonde, inevitably busty and invariably about as intellectual as a = Cheez-Doodle...She beams her 40-watt brilliance...She's called Jessica = or Donna or Marla, and she comes to our attention because she has been = spotted in a motel room with a televangelist...City women swear we = wouldn't want to trade our higher consciousness for their low wattage. = We bemoan their unfeminist feminine wiles." (NY Daily News, May 27, = 1990). Could it possibly be inferred from Miz Schwarzbaum's writing that she is = guilty of the "group libel" of Gentile women? Imagine the howls of = condemnation and the cries for imprisonment were a White Christian woman = to pen an article entitled, "Jewish Feminist Ambition." The bimbo insult, like so many other racist Jewish epithets, has been = picked up by the heartland and the mainstream and resounds through small = town America as a self-hating put-down used by Gentile women against = other Gentile women. The racist nature of this insult isn't even = glimpsed, nor does any "anti-racist" campaigner trace its origin in the = depths of instiutionalized Jewish contempt for Gentile women. With regard to the "Who is a Jew" debate, it is officially stated in the = Establishment media, that any Gentile, if sincerely converted to Judaism = under the auspices of properly constituted orthodox rabbinic authority, = becomes a Jew. However this is by no means the unanimous view of the = rabbis themselves or of the Talmud. In fact, the Talmud decrees that = "...a Gentile can obtain some rights when he is powerful and especially = when he poses a threat to Jews." (Israel Shahak, Ha'aretz. April 5, = 1990). At present, the Israeil state is dependent upon the good will of the = Gentiles of the West for financial support, military aid and cooperation = in propagating Israeli versions of current events and history. = Therefore, at present, Gentiles are accepted as Jews if they convert, = have the proper sincerity and are examined and received by the strict = orthodox rabbis. To do otherwise would be to reveal that Judaism is a = religion of self-worship (the Jewish race is itself god), based upon the = notion of Jews being the Master Race. For those who search the Jewish scriptures, an inner teaching on the = status of Gentile converts to Judaism is revealed, a teaching which = awaits enforcement at a later date, when Jews are all-powerful, but = which points to a mentality of clandestine contempt orthodox Jews have = toward converts to Judaism. Hence Rabbi Helbo in the Talmud passage T.B. Yebamos 109b states, = "Proselytes are hurtful to Israel and a sore on the skin." (For = confirmation of this passage, see Rabbi Sammuel Turk, Jewish Press, Feb. = 19, 1988, p. 10). A further indication of the true status of the Gentile = convert to Judaism can be found in the fact that the marriage of a = Jewish priest to a Gentile convert is prohibited (Simcha Cohen, Jewish = Press, Feb. 19, 1988, p. 10a). More ominous is the statement of the pre-eminent Jewish rabbi of = antiquity, Shimon Ben Yohai, to whom the Jewish holiday of Lag B'omer is = dedicated. Rabbi Yohai stated, "Even the best of the Gentiles should all = be killed." (Isidore Singer, "Gentiles,"Funk and Wagnalls Jewish = Encyclopedia, p. 617, 1907 edition; also cf. Talmud-Minor Tractates, = Soferim 15, Rule 10). Assuming that the "best of the Gentiles," in Jewish eyes would be those = who seek to become Jews, one can suppose that Rabbi Yohai's statement = will at some future date warrant the elimination of those Gentiles in = the Israeli ranks who carry the label of convert. Though the pre-eminent = Jewish law interpreter of antiquity has commanded their death, = permission to delay or counteract Jewish law is given where Gentiles are = still in a position to create a danger for Jews. In discussing the Talmudic prohibition of giving food cooked = specifically for Jews to either "Gentiles or dogs," an exception is = allowed: "...the Jews were permitted in some cases to serve Gentiles = food cooked only for Jews. For example, permission was given in a case = where a Gentile might feel insulted enough to cause a danger to Jews." = (Israel Shahak, Ha'aretz, April 5, 1990). That contempt for converts is widespread, if seldom remarked upon in the = controlled, secular media. In the Ask-the-Jewish-Lawyer column of the = Canadian Jewish News, a Jewish mother whose son married a German woman = who converted to Judaism wrote the following: "We never wanted her as our in-law. She cannot give us "naches" (the = feeling you get when your one-year-old starts hobbling for the first = time), being of a heritage that we do not respect as my husband is a = Holocaust survivor. We do not consider her conversion to Judaism valid. = I told my son I forbid this marital union. I would like to have his name = erased from our family name. How can we do this? We are preparing a = will. Will one dollar for him be enough...?" Attorney John Syrtash replied as follows: "...technically you do not = have to leave him anything in your will as a matter of law. However, as = a precaution I would put a nominal $500 in the will, along with an = express statement in the will explaining why the amount is so low as it = is, drafted concisely and without reference to your ethnic = prejudices...If you are sufficiently paranoid you may even obtain a = letter from a qualified psychiatrist when revising your will to state = that at the time you signed it you were clear-headed and knew exactly = what you were doing." ("A Lawyer Replies," Canadian Jewish News, Nov. = 23, 1989, p. 12). The reference to "sufficient paranoia" is apposite as we wade further = into the mad-house of Jewish law and the Jewish mentality it has bred. One of the big areas of concentration in yeshiva schools (Talmud = seminaries) is the lofty subject of the women's mentrual flow. This = august topic featured prominently in one Talmud class as reported by the = Los Angeles Times: "The Talmudic lesson last Monday was on = distinguishing menstrual blood stains on a woman's garment from blood = spots possibly caused by other sources." The Times states that it is = important for rabbis to be able to distinguish menstrual blood stains on = women's clothing from "...visible blood stains...caused by lice, bed = bugs or blood spattered in a butcher shop." (John Dart, "Jewish Scholars = Mark 7-Year Study Cycle, L.A. Times, April 28, 1990, p.F15). The Jewess Evelyn Kaye states: "In the code of Jewish law...there are 85 = pages of rules, regulations and interpretations covering every minute = aspect of the menstrual cycle...The rabbis drew up a series of = definitions for 'Regular Periods'...'Irregular periods,' which they = divide up into Lunar cycles, Same-Interval cycles and 30 Day Cycles." = (The Hole in the Sheet). This fascination with morbid blood is evidenced in the Jewish infant = circumcision ritual or bris in the course of which blood from the = lacerated penis is sucked through a glass tube by a mohel (rabbi who = specializes in circumcisions) in an act known as metzitza. According to = the rule of the Shulchan Aruch (the codification of the Talmudic = Mishnah), any mohel who dispenses with the blood-sucking must be = "removed from his post." Using a surgical clamp to prevent bleeding also = renders a bris "null and void." According to the Talmud there must be = some bleeding resulting from the bris. "Using a clamp to prevent = bleeding defeats one of the purposes of the ritual and makes it = invalid." (Cf. "Doctor Challenges Female Mohel's Status," Canadian = Jewish News, Jan. 21, 1993, p. 31). Israel Shahak talks about the "shock"that is "bound to occur" if people = actually "find out the truth...about...Judaism...what Judaism was really = like when Jews were governed by that Halacha" ("the correct path," i.e = as prescribed in the Talmud). Shahak states: "As to the concept of 'saving souls,' (piku'ach nefesh) = the Talmudic literature makes it clear to anyone who reads it, even = cursorily, that this concept is inapplicable to Gentiles. In principle = it is forbidden for Jews, including Jewish doctors, to save the life of = a Gentile, for what we could call humanitarian reasons. Saving the life = of a Gentile and thereby violating the Sabbath is even more strictly = forbidden. However, in the case of 'saving the soul' of a Jew, such = violation of the Sabbath is not only mandatory it is counted as a good = deed...There have been endless Halachic debates, which still continue = today, on whether 'soul saving' should apply only to Jews or whether = Jewish fear of Gentiles and their enmity should result in a dispensation = to save Gentile lives...In Israel a few years ago, the Haredi 'experts' = for such matters ruled that a Jewish doctor, when he is afraid that the = authorities of any state may revoke his license if he refuses to treat = Gentiles...can obtain a dispensation, provided that during the treatment = he thinks about the dispensation rather than about the treatment = itself." (Israel Shahak, "The Status of the Gentile in Jewish Religious = Law and Israeli Politics," Ha'aretz, April 5, 1990). Prof. Shahak illuminates a central underlying tenet of Judaism: that it = does not express its overwhelming hostility to the non-Jewish world = where it lacks the political and military might to do so, but once it = possesses that might, it shall move swiftly against the Gentiles: = "...according to Halacha a Gentile does not possess any self-evident = rights vis-a-vis a Jew. A Gentile can obtain some rights when he is = powerful and especially when he poses a threat to Jews. The more a = Gentile threatens Jewish lives, the more Halachic rights he will be = granted. "It therefore becomes clear that...if the Arabs do not have chemical = weapons, if their armies become weaker, and if the Intifada (Palestinian = uprising) is crushed, Halacha will not only prohibit any retreat from = the territories, but it will also prescribe the beginning of the = expulsion of the Gentiles, especially of the Christians, along with the = destruction of their churches. If a miracle happens and...Israeli = influence in the U.S. increases a thousand-fold, the Halacha will compel = us to expel all Gentiles not only from all of Palestine but also from = 'all places which we shall conquer..." (Israel Shahak, op. cit.). Jewish scholar Shahak gives the Talmudic teaching on Christianity and = how it is to be treated when Jews are strong: "...the churches of the = Christians in Palestine...are places of idolatry. Conversely we are = obliged by our religion (Torah) to destroy all idolatry and idol = worshippers and to pursue it until we obliterate it from all of our = country and from all the places which we conquer." (Shahak, op. cit.). The words of Israeli Talmud scholar Israel Shahak, first published in = the Israeli national newspaper Ha'aretz, will come as news to most = non-Jews. Let us tread further down the path of Jewish hatred for non-Jews. Here = is the late Rabbi Meir Kahane advocating in 1990 the mass destruction of = the German people: "When it comes to the Amalek of our times, Germany, = there is an on-going war, a never-ending war, a war for = generations...There can never be forgiveness or contact or relations or = anything to do with them. They are beyond the pale and daily, the Jew = must pray for the ultimate destruction of a German people that never = received an iota of the punishment they deserved...If the Almighty ever = allows me to become Prime Minister of Israel...there will be nothing but = an Amalek whose memory we will blot out as much as possible until the = great day when the Almighty finishes the mitzvah of vengeance." (Rabbi = Meir Kahane, "Halachic Overview," The Jewish Press, Oct. 12, 1990, p. = 49). In March of l986, the Israeli army's chief chaplain on the occupied West = Bank, Rabbi Shmuel Derlich, distributed a 1,000 word pastoral letter to = Jewish soldiers calling for the total extermination of Amalek. "Derlich = wrote that it is the duty of 'a king in Israel...to eradicate Amalek = without leaving any trace...one must show no pity for any creature from = the nation of Amalek--man, woman, child...There is no doubt that in the = last generation we met the Amalekite enemy...in the form of the German = nation,' he wrote." Jerusalem Post, May 17, 1986. Harvard University's Jewish professor of law, Alan Dershowitz, who was = cited earlier lying about revisionist Bradley R. Smith, in his book, = Chutzpah, stated, "The rebuilding of postwar Germany into one of the = world's most affluent nations is a moral disgrace. A minimal appropriate = response to the collective responsibility of the German people for the = crimes of their leaders...should have been a generation of poverty." Janet DeLynn (a.k.a. DeLynnski): "...I am glad Israel has the atomic = bomb, and the continued existence of Israel is the only cause for which = I consider it justifiable to use nuclear weapons...maybe we could have = tried the A-bomb on Germany rather than Japan...What practically = speaking, can one do with a nation (Germany) in which virtually everyone = over the age of ten, twelve, fifteen...was either a participant in or = accessory to murder?" (Testimony: Contemporary Writers Make the = Holocaust Personal, p. 65, quoted in Instauration, May, 1990, pp. = 20-21). "Rabbi Charles Rosenzweig of West Bloomfield, Michigan, stated that = 'Germany's guilt is absolute' and that forgiveness 'is not possible." = Dov Shilansky, Speaker of the Israeli Knesset, said that 'Even in a = thousand years, the shame of Germany will not be erased." (Liberty, = July, 1990, p. 14). "I had avoided Germany because I did not choose to try to keep a civil = tongue or civil face among those I felt would have stood by while my = children and I were murdered...And I felt I knew all I cared to know = then about German history and the German soul. On both, every Jew is a = specialist." (A.M. Rosenthal, Press-Enterprise, [Riverside, Calif.], = April 27, 1990. Mr. Rosenthal is the former managing editor of the N.Y. = Times). "In history, Germany was not the only criminal nation, just the most = vile." (A.M. Rosenthal, "Our German Business," N.Y. Times, September 22, = 1992, p.27). "One of those rankling questions is why is it that Germany, which = visited upon the whole world, and especially upon the Jewish world--an = unprecedented hell of war, barbarism and assembly-line killing of = millions of Jews, should have turned out to be a prosperous, powerful = and even prestigious country. We wonder why in heaven's name, this = country of savage murderers should have risen from the ashes of defeat = to become a land of tranquility with a standard of living far above = those countries which sacrificed the flower of their youth to stop the = Germans from enslaving the entire world." (Rabbi David B. Hollander, = "The Torah," Jewish Press, December 8, 1989). "Germans are an abomination to me. I'm glad Dresden was bombed for no = useful military purpose." (Mordecai Richler, Vancouver Sun, Sept. 13, = 1966). "The two greatest evils of this century...both came out of = Germany...Arrogant overstatement is another endearing German trait." = (Don Feder, Conservative Jewish columnist, Gazette Telegraph [Colorado = Springs, Colorado], April 26, 1989. "Let Austria decide whether it is a civilized country or the dirty = anti-semitic dogs that they have so far been." (Edgar Bronfman, = President, World Jewish Congress, Globe and Mail, May 8, 1989. The world will be saved, "...if the world were to acknowledge its = collective guilt against the Jewish people." (Moshe Holczler, "Open Your = Eyes, World," The Jewish Press, Nov. 23, 1990, p. 12). "Hostility toward non-Jews has along history in the Jewish world...It's = no secret that Jews disparage non-Jews behind their backs. Some Jews = brag about tricking them in business, others shun them socially. The = Yiddish phrase goyishe kup (a non-Jewish head), indicates someone stupid = or foolish. In Jewish literature, the non-Jew is often portrayed as = someone who is untrustworthy, dangerous or hateful." (Michael Lerner, = Utne Reader, Jan./Feb. 1991). Imagine that a former mental patient, who now heads the Texas Ku Klux = Klan, is driving through the Black ghetto in Houston with his = grandchildren and rocks are thrown at his car by Black demonstrators. = The Ku Kluxer immediately stops his car, hops out and indiscriminately = opens fire with an automatic pistol, missing the Blacks who threw the = rocks and killing a Black shopkeeper who had nothing to do with the = incident while also wounding one of his Black customers. The Klan leader = then walks through the Black ghetto firing his weapon, kicking at debris = and shouting "Nigger." What would have been the reaction of the U.S. and international media to = such a case? What would be the Klansman's well-deserved sentence? 300 = years in prison? 500 years? Death by lethal injection? A case equivalent to this happened in the Israeli state. Moshe Levinger, a Jew who spent "some of his youth" in a Swiss = psychiatric facility, is the head of the Gush Emunim, a Zionist settler = group which believes that Arabs "are dogs" and that Palestinian land = must be taken by force of arms. On Sept. 30, 1988, Rabbi Levinger was driving through the Palestinian = village of Hebron when his car was hit by stones. "...according to = numerous witnesses, Levinger parked his car from harm's way and then = walked determinedly toward the demonstrators, firing his pistol = indiscriminately. Ibrahim Bali, an Arab textile salesman was buying new = shoes for his daughter when he heard the shooting. He was standing = outside a shop when a bullet tore through his shoulder. A bullet also = ripped into the chest of Khayed Salah, who was about to close the metal = shutters of his shoe store. The Israeli Army company commander who = witnessed the shooting said that after the rabbi fired his weapon, he = walked down the road screaming, 'You're dogs,' at Arab vendors, kicking = over vegetable crates and flower containers..." (Robert I. Friedman, = Zealots for Zion, pp. 23, 29, 37-38). He was sentenced to serve five months in prison and was honored at a = celebration prior to beginning his sentence which was attended by = well-wishers including Israeli General Yitzhak Mordecai, military = commander of the West Bank as well as the President of Israel, Chaim = Herzog. A religious ruling on Rabbi Levinger's attack was prepared by = Rabbi Moshe Neriya and published in the national Israeli newspaper = Ha'aretz of May 13, 1989, in which the rabbi ruled that every Jew has = the duty "to shoot [Arabs] left and right without thinking and without = hesitating." Rabbi Moshe Levinger was released from prison after serving two and = one-half months of his sentence. The sentence reflected the religious = opinion of Rabbi Yitzhak Ginsburg, who has offered "justification for = the view that the spilling of non-Jewish blood was a lesser offense than = the spilling of Jewish blood. 'Any trial based on the assumption that = Jews and goyim are equal, is a total travesty of justice,' he said. = (N.Y. Times, June 6, 1989, p. 5). Has the reader even heard of Rabbi Levinger much less what he did or the = ten weeks he spent in jail for the murder of a Palstinian bystander? In July of 1983, Levinger's son-in-law and other members of the Zionist = Makhteret (Underground), described as "the most violent anti-Arab = terrorist organization since the birth of the Jewish state...burst into = the courtyard of the Islamic College in Hebron during a noon lunch = break, tossing a grenade and spraying machine gun fire. Three = Palestinian students were killed and thirty-three injured. 'Whoever did = this,' declared Rabbi Levinger, 'has sanctified God's name in public." In May of 1990, 21 year old Israeli Amri Popper walked to the Rishon le = Zion market where Palestinian day laborers awaited work. Popper opened = fire on them with an assault rifle, killing seven men and wounding ten. = Israeli motorists got out of their cars and danced the hora among the = carnage. As the Palestinians bled to death, one dancing Jew asked, = "What, only seven dead?" The Israeli army subsequently shot to death seven more Palestinians on = the same day and wounded several hundred more. "There is no doubt that the Rishon le Zion gunman acted within a society = in which the norm exists that Arab life is cheap...treating Levinger = like a hero have created this norm..." (L.A. Times, May 23, 1990, p. 4). On October 8, 1990, the first day of Sukkoth, the Jewish feast of = booths, the Israeli army opened fire on a crowd of Palestinians at the = Temple Mount in Jerusalem, killing 17 and wounding 150. At first the = Sukkoth Day Massacre was presented by Israeli spokesman as the result of = a vicious Arab stoning ofJewish pilgrims at the Western or "Wailing" = wall. "In order to blunt criticism of the Temple Mount shooting..the = Shamir government launched an obstreperous public-relations campaign = against U.S. media's 'biased' coverage of Israel. It's a time-honored = strategy in Israel, where many government officials have come to believe = that a problem hasn't been invented that a little hasbara, or propaganda = can't fix....The Jewish community's strong response seemed to intimidate = the media, which, with few exceptions, followed Israel's interpretation = of events. After the initial flurry of press coverage, the story seemed = to die..." (Friedman, op. cit., p. 132). 17 Palestinian civilians had been shot to death by the Israeli army and = police. The victims were blamed, even though no Jews were injured by any = mass "rock-throwing" as Israeli magistrate Ezra Kama would admit in = July, 1991. The official government view became the media's view. "The = story seemed to die." The hasbara was having its effect as predicted. What if 17 Jewish civilians had been shot to death by an Arab = government, would the mdia accept the official Arab version as their = own? After an initial flurry would the story have been left to die or = would it have been made into the Movie of the Week from the Jewish = victims' point of view? As it turned out, to his credit, 60 Minutes' TV reporter Mike Wallace = investigated the case and produced a truthful national network program = on the atrocity the Jews committed. Wallace documented that the Israeli = massacre of the Palestinians was an unprovoked, brutal crime. "60 Minutes was also inundated with complaints from mainstream American = Jewish organizations and powerful, pro-Israel supporters. At a New York = dinner party, 60 Minutes executive producer Don Hewitt got into a = shouting match with ABC television's Barbara Walters, the real estate = developer and publisher of U.S. News and World Report Mortimer Zuckerman = and Mort Janklow, a literary agent, over the Temple Mount segment...A = furious CBS chairman Laurence Tisch summoned Hewitt and Wallace...Tisch = is an influential figure in the New York United Jewish Appeal-Federation = ...Tisch felt the piece was unfair...(and) required more background = reporting." (Friedman, op. cit., p. 133). Rehavam Ze'evi, member of the Israeli Knesset stated, "Every Jew is = worth a thousand Arabs." (Al-Fajr, Nov. 6, 1989, p. 15). "...Prof. Dan Scheuftan of the Hebrew University told a Nov. 13 Jewish = Student Federation Lecture on the chances for Middle East peace, that = all Arabs are violent and all Arabs want to poison baby Jews." (Canadian = Jewish News, Nov. 28, 1991, p. 38). "Commercial Hebrew children's literature published in Israel provides a = portrayal of the Arab character that is a reflection of Zionist = perceptions of Arabs in general, and Palestinians in particular. Such a = portrayal of Arabs has not been limited to Israeli Jews alone but has = also been transmitted to and accepted by, a large segment of world Jewry = and international public opinion, especially in the West. As a colonial = settler movement, Zionism realized the importance of portraying the Arab = character in a negative light and of depreciating Arab rights in order = to justify Zionist actions in Palestine... "The characteristic image of Arabs in commercial Hebrew children's = literature is a grim one. The Arab appears as a criminal...Arabs are = also depicted as thieves, stealing because theft is part of their = nature, especially from Jews because of 'envy.' Arabs are also shown as = swindlers...Arabs are base...Arabs are cowards...Arabs are = idiots...Arabs prefer that non-Arabs tell them what to do. Arabs are = liars whose word cannot be trusted and whose promises should not be = taken seriously. Arabs are dirty in mind... "There are several reasons for this negative portrayal of Arabs. First = is the need to eliminate any respect for Arabs among Jews...Eradicating = respect also dehumanizes, thereby rendering acceptable whatever befalls = the dehumanized party, including exile, dispossession or even death." = (F.E. Asmar, "Israeli Children Imbibe Racism," Guardian Special Edition, = Spring, 1987, p. 21). "Forty percent of Israeli Jewish high school pupils hate all, or almost = all, Arabs, according to the first comprehensive survey conducted since = the outbreak ofthe intifada... "The present survey--completed over a period of two years--was conducted = by Ofra Meizels, Reuven Gal and Eli Fishof of the Israeli Center for = Military Studies in Zichron Ya'acov. In a country-wide poll, the = researchers interviewed 5,400 pupils attending grades 10, 11 and 12 in = state-secular and state-religious schools." ("40% of Israeli Youth Hate = Most Arabs," Canadian Jewish News, August 17, 1989, p. 5). The hatred of the Arabs does not raise the human rights hackles of the = liberal and conservative Gentile apologists for Zionism because this = hatred is supposedly a justifiable reaction on the part of Jews to Arab = terrorism. By the same token, Jewish hatred for Christianity and Jesus Christ are = excused on the basis of what the Christians have done to the Jews, = making hatred of Christians permissible. One of the many confirmed = anti-Christian bigots among the Jews is the writer Hyam Maccoby. His = book falsifying the Gospels, Judas Iscariot and the Myth of Jewish Evil, = is an excellent example of venomous hatred of Christians presented under = the guise of promoting the welfare of the Jews. It seems that under this = shibboleth, waved like the proverbial magic wand before the eyes of = Gentiles, the most vitriolic anti-Christian prejudice is summoned up = without protest from the target peoples. By this clever Jewish = technique, "fighting racism" is invoked in order to spread racist hatred = for Christians and Palestinians. In Maccoby's book the existence of the Jewish Judas and his act of = betrayal, for which Christ said it would have been better had Judas = never been born, is denied. According to Maccoby, the whole Judas = episode was a Christian plot concocted out of thin air in order to = defame the Jews. Paul Johnson, writing in the London Sunday Telegraph (Feb. 23, 1992) = states that Maccoby's book is not so much scholarly as an anti-Christian = polemic and that, "...the book betrays a certain paranoid attitude to = Christianity...the book is not an open-minded inquiry into the reality = of Judas. On the contrary it starts with a conclusion and then proceeds = to amass the evidence to justify it. This leads him into all kinds of = difficulties, notably in disposing of the name 'Iscariot,' where he is = at his least plausible. It also obliges him to predicate that the = Evangelists and the writer of Acts, were constantly engaged in = unscrupulous propagandist inventions for base politico-ecclesiastical = purposes. On other occasions however, when their evidence happens to fit = in with his theory, they are reliable sources...Maccoby, in short, is = too obsessed...to write an objective account of Judas." In the Jewish mentality, opposing the stereotype of Judas as a cardboard = "Jew devil," even to the extent of denying he existed, and attributing = the accounts of his treachery to "propagandist inventions" by the = Church, is a worthy and necessary endeavor on the part of Jewish = writers. However, when Christians truthfully attempt to wade through the wild = tales and exaggerations which attend the so-called "genocide" of Jews in = World War Two, because they see in such exaggerations, the unmistakeable = outline of a cardboard "Christian devil" being mounted by Zionist = propaganda, such an endeavor raises a howl of protest from Jews and dark = intimations about the motives of those who would seek to correct the = record and defend Christianity from libel. Thus the equation is submitted to the old Jewish insistence on special = privileges and status above mankind. They, the Master Race, have the = right to investigate historical stories, like the tale of Judas, which = create legends of Jewish deviltry. But for the mere goyim to do the = same, to dare to investigate Jewish tales which foment legends of = Christian deviltry--this becomes an unpardonable sin against the majesty = of Jewish omniscience, infallibility and suzerainty. In a similar manner the Jews have created for themselves a license to = agitate for Jewish racial purity and apartheid for Palestinians, at a = time in the modern era when talk of race purity and racial separation = are grounds for imprisonment in Britian, France and Germany and = expulsion from the politically correct universities of America. It is = only to the Jewish Master Race that such racial concerns are licensed = and legitimated. For example, mainstream Jewish groups regularly run advertisements in = national liberal newspapers such as the NY Times and in their own = religious Jewish publications calling for Jewish racial purity. In the December, 1989 Jewish Chronicle a large ad appears, placed by the = "Jewish Seminar Movement" (Chofetz Chayim Torah). The text of the ad = asks, "An Urgent Call to World Jewry...Do you realize we are in dire = danger of losing millions of precious Jewish souls through = intermarriage?...That the children of intermarriage grow up with = complexes and confusion? If you or your friends are on the verge of = internarriage, we plead with you, do not allow a temporary infatuation = to ruin your life, the lives of your dear children and help to destroy = our cherished and beloved Jewish people." Imagine if a White heritage group, distressed over the demographic fact = that only one in twenty-six of the world's people are White, were to = take out national ads arguing against Whites "inter-marrying" with other = races, thereby "helping to destroy our cherished and belowed White = race." The outrage, the weeping, wailing and gnashing of teeth would = resound from the editorial pages of the Hoboken Cornstalk Trombone to = the halls of the United Nations and media sattelites circling the globe = in outer space. Leading the attack would be "Jewish service and = humanitarian groups," because Jews reserve to themselves alone the right = to racial purity and racial separation. Jeffrey Kwintner, a Jew, writing in the Jewish Chronicle of Dec. 29, = 1989 says: "...Jews are the only exception. They were destined to be = unique. The concept of racial purity within the Jewish nation is not a = myth...The only facts to determine Jewishness should be purely an = hereditary one regardles of Jewish observance. A Jew is someone from = Jewish stock. No one can make a gentile Jewish...We must retain our own = exclusivity in order to survive and not be infiltrated by outsiders..." When the Aryan Nations group established a headquaters in the Idaho = panhandle and announced that they intended it as a base for creating a = separate nation for Whites in the Pacific Northwest, they were denounced = universally in the Establishment media, schools and courts as foul = hatemongers and racists. Yet the option of racial separation for Jews is = perfectly acceptable to such liberal organs as the NY Times. A headline = in the NY Times of Dec. 10, 1990, p. 6, illustrates this: "More Jews in = Israel Agreeing With Palestinians That Separation Is the Only Solution." = The article quotes Minister of Defense Yitzhak Rabin as saying, "We must = now recognize the fact that coexistence with the Palestinian population = of the territories in one political framework has no chance. The only = chance is through the solution of separation..." No such solution or separation is permitted White Christians in America = however. Any talk of disparate peoples being unable to "coexist" in one = political framework in the U.S. is grounds for prosecution by the U.S. = Justice Department, which is exactly what the Federal government under = Ronald Reagan did in 1987 to Louis R. Beam, Jr. Mr. Beam, a former = Vietnam helicopter gunner, was placed on the FBI's "Ten Most Wanted" = list on charges of "sedition," solely based on his writings and speeches = calling for a separate White enclave in America. (He was acquitted of = the charge by a working class jury of his peers in Ft. Smith, Arkansas). The grandiose vision of the Jewish race with its special immunities, = privileges and rights was articulated by President Ronald Reagan in a = memorable passage from his 1988 speech to dedicate the cornerstone of = the U.S. taypayer-financed, U.S. Holocaust Museum, then under = construction in Washington, D.C. In his speech, which was actually = written by a Jew, John Podhoretz, son of the fanatical Zionist Norman = Podhoretz (cf. Washington Jewish Week, Oct. 13, 1988), President Reagan = made the following incredible statement, "And we must make sure that = when the tall towers of our greatest cities have crumbled to dust in the = turnings of time, the Jewish people will still be on this earth to cast = their blessings..." In other words, while the decline of our American cities is inevitable, = the decline of the Jews is not. Those who have hastened the decline of = our Republic and who curse non-Jews in the texts of their Talmudic books = daily and routinely, will be around to pick up the pieces long after all = else is in ruins. For the babysitter of Bonzo the Chimp and his constituency of "Reagan = Republicans" and "Reagan Democrats," this is a prophecy to be celebrated = and applauded. The Jew Samuel Gringauz, writing in the January, 1950 issue of Jewish = Social Studies, referred to the personal, "eyewitness" testimony of Jews = concerning the events of World War Two, as "full of preposterous = verbosity, exaggeration, dramatic effects...unchecked rumors, bias..." Historian Gerald Reitlinger, author of a standard reference work on what = is termed the "Holocaust," states in his book The Final Solution, = "...the Eastern European Jew is a natural rhetorician speaking in = flowery similes...sometimes the imagery transcends credibility." Lying as an Institution Lying to Gentiles is institutionalized within the Jewish religion in the = Kol Nidre rite, when all oaths that were broken in the preceding year, = are rendered null and void. Let us examine a few of the testimonies of the Jews who claim to have = lived through World War Two and who are labeled by the instrument of = Orwellian Newspeak as "Survivors of The Holocaust." In an "Op Ed" piece in the Los Angeles Times, April 30, 1981, part II, = p. 11 a Jewess named Rachel Patron writes an essay devoted entirely to = the theme of the most horrifying scene she observed during the war: bars = of soap made from "the fat of dead Jews." The article is accompanied by = a drawing of a little girl who has scooped nearly a dozen bars of such = soap in her apron. Patron writes: "Mama, Mama, look what I found!' I cried as I ran across the tracks, = holding on to the bottom of my skirt, which I'd filled with bars of = soap...My mother and I stood in front of the open door, she turning the = bar of soap over and over in her hand, while both of mine clutched the = skirt holding my treasure. Suddenly mother's face turned ashen and her = eyes opened wide with fear, as if locked on the sight of a terrible = monster coming to devour her. She said nothing but her fear communicated = itself to me and I began screaming, 'Mama, Mama, what happened? What's = wrong?' "She still said nothing. I thought she couldn't hear me......I started = to tremble and then I screamed as loudly as I could and stomped my feet = hysterically because I was terribly frightened and I didn't know why. So = she had to tell me; not knowing would do me even more harm. "Grasping me by the shoulders, she said, 'R.J.F. means Rein Judisch = Fett!' She said it in German, but I understood; it sounds the same in = Yiddish: Pure Jewish Fat. "I let go of the bottom of my dress and all the soap came crashing to = the floor, many of the bars chipping and losing their smooth surface. I = bent down and started throwing them out of the train, one by one, = looking down to see them crushed between the sharp wheels and the steel = rails. And all the time tears were rolling out of my eyes..." This is a certainly a very heart-rending story, a bit sensational and = sentimental perhaps, but one of the thousands of tales of German perfidy = retailed in the mass media including such august Establishment organs as = the L.A. Times. Each story serves to illustrate that "terrible monster" = the Germans and the civilization from which they came. Certainly L.A. = Times readers thought that the story had been thoroughly checked by the = editors before it was published so prominently and in so great a paper = as the Times. While Jews object to the portrayal of Judas as a Jewish = devil, no one has the right to object to this stirring and sad portrayal = of the work of the German devil. There is only one problem with the many "Jewish survivor" stories about = bars of soap from Jewish fat: Jewish historians themselves admit that = this was Allied atrocity propaganda and that it never happened. In World War One the same idiotic story was told about the Germans by = the Allies only in that case the claim was made that Germans made the = soap from the bodies of British soldiers. One cannot lay culpability for such war-time yarns at the door of the = Jew alone for virtually every war in history has produced wild = exaggerations about enemy forces which kings, generals and politicians = have sought to exploit in order to excite their populations to greater = sacrifices and martial frenzy. During the French revolution Robespierre was accused of eating the = roasted flesh of priests and of creating a tannery for human skin for = making shoes for the sansculottes. (Le Blond de Neuveglise [probably a = pseudonym of the Abbe Proyart], La vie et les crimes de Maximilien = Robespierre, p. 279). Robespierre in turn manufactured atrocity propaganda against LaFayette: = "In Robespierre's private war against LaFayette, he ofen used wild = exaggeration. He inflated the Champ de Mars casualties to 1,500 and = repeated atrocity stories of children in Brabant being slaughtered in = their mother's wombs by LaFayette's soldiers and carried on the ends of = bayonets." (David P. Jordan, The Revolutionary Career of Maximillien = Robespierre, p. 89). What makes the Second World War different is that it is the first war in = which, after it was concluded, the atrocity propaganda was not = discredited, but was in fact escalated. Hence in 1981 the prestigious = L.A. Times devoted a large part of its editorial page to a lunatic bar = of soap hoax cooked up by the Allies 35 years before. The "bars of soap = >from Jewish fat" tale continues to make the rounds of films, books, = classrooms and newspapers, the better to permanently stigmatize the = German people and the Christian civilization of Europe as monstrous = evil. "Professor Yehuda Bauer, head of the Hebrew Univserity's Holocaust = history department and regarded as one of the foremost researchers of = the Holocsaust, has denied the frequently quoted charge that the Nazis = used the bodies of Jewish death camp victims to make soap... 'We do not = have to go on believing untrue stories,' Bauer said. "Raul Hilberg, professor of political science at the University of = Vermont and pre-eminent historian of the Holocaust, agrees that the soap = rumor, although widespread was probably unfounded. "There were all kinds of rumors,' he said, noting that a NY Times = article during the war suggested that Jews were given lethal injections = before deportation...Other rumors speculated that Jews were killed in = the Belzec camp by electrocution in water... 'All these rumors are = untrue, based on nothing at all,' Hilberg said. 'No evidence has turned = up' to suggest that the Nazis used human fat to make soap." (Hugh Orgel, = Jewish Telegraph Agency, Northern California Jewish Bulletin, April 27, = 1990). Whatever Hilberg and Bauer may say about the rumor-mongering and = atrocity tales, the mass media continues to report them as totally = truthful, straight news. No matter how preposterous or idiotic, no = skepticism is shown, no probing questions asked. We are dealing with a = religion here, the most sacred in the world! The BBC made a Timewatch documentary about a group of Polish Jews who = are alleged to have "survived the Holocaust by living like and with, the = rats in the sewers of Lvov for 14 months." There is even a book, In the = Sewers of Lvov, dedicated to Leopold Socha, a sewer worker. (Cf. = "Subterranean Memories, Jewish Chronicle, Oct. 26, 1990). Then there is the Zeiger family of seven, who for "two terrifying years" = beginning in 1942, lived in a "4-foot-deep hole" under Antosh = Suchinsky's barn, "afraid to light even a candle.... The quarters were = so cramped the adults could not even stand. 'I cannot tell you how = horrible the conditions were. There was no air, no food, no light." = (Gazette Telegraph, May 28, 1988). Vera Kriegel recalls the day in Auschwitz that she was taken into a room = where she "saw a wall full of human eyes pinned to the wall like a = collection of butterflies." (Toronto Star, Feb. 5, 1985). A Jew named Morris Hubert claims to have been sent to Buchenwald. He = says: "In the camp there was a cage with a bear and an eagle. Every day = they would throw a Jew in there. The bear would tear him apart and the = eagle would pick his bones." (Ari L. Goldman, "Time 'Too Painful' to = Remember," NY Times, Nov. 10, 1988). Or how about Berta Yozawitz of Miami, Florida. During the "Holocaust," = Berta "was moved to Bergen-Belsen concentration camp. One day, she stole = some turnips. She was caught and forced to lick the kitchen floor clean = with her tongue." (Palm Beach Post, April ll, 1988, p. 1). Rabbi Dr. Moshe Weiss informs us: "...Nazis transported from the = Auschwitz camp to Germany seven trainloads of women's hair from which = the Germans produced soft mattresses forthe German population. There = were...10 trainloads of gold--especially from dental work.." (The Jewish = Press, April 5, 1991). A French magazine, National Hebdo (May 31, 1990) details how the sacred = Auschwitz death toll has fallen dramatically over the years: from 8 = million (French War Crimes Research Office), to 5 million (Le Monde, = April 20, 1978) to 4 million (the figure advertised at = Auschwitz-Birkenau up until 1990) to 3 million (the "confessions" of = Rudolf Hoss) to 1. 6 million (Prof. Yehuda Bauer); to 1.25 million = (Prof. Raul Hilberg) to 850,000 (Gerald Reitlinger, The Final Solution), = to 75,000 (Auschwitz archives in posession of the Russians). This concludes chapter one in volume one of THE JEWISH MENTALITY by = Michael A. Hoffman II Copyright =A91996 by Michael A. Hoffman II. All Rights Reserved. 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Partial list of Contents: Churchill: = Politically Correct=20 Exterminator; Hitler: The Dupe of "Jewjitsu;" Just Law Enforcement, Not=20 Persecution; Deep into the Psychology of Opposition; Tall Tales; = Jailers,=20 Inquisitors and Thought Controllers; Lying as an Institution.


Turning the Tables: A Revaluation

All learning is based upon curiosity and curiosity is the unfettered=20 exploration of that which is interesting. The weird halo of immunity = which=20 surrounds the Jewish nation is a highly interesting sanction and no = scholar must=20 be faulted for defying it. To pretend that we must approach the Jewish = studies=20 with some special reverence and reserve, fearful of causing offense, is = a=20 totalitarian expectation.

It will undoubtedly be the first reaction of a mind-zapped populace = to=20 immediately regard the investigation of the negative factors within the = religion=20 of Judaism as a horrible one, "bound to lead to another 'Holocaust."

That the fanatical chauvinism of Jewish partisanship has been = absorbed into=20 the body politic of the masses of non-Jews to such an overwhelming = extent is a=20 high tribute to the power and effectiveness of Jewish propaganda.

But this writing is not an attack but a defense. Khazars attack Christianity every week in a newspaper = column,=20 magazine article, radio report, film, television show or book. Few = people regard=20 such attacks as a prelude to the further decay and eventual destruction = of the=20 Gentile people of the West. Such Jewish attacks on Christianity are = regarded as=20 the "normal criticism" any creed must endure at the hands of = truth-seekers,=20 scientists and dispassionate scholars.

Within this framework is the presumption of immunity for Judaism. = According=20 to the mindset promoted by the System's public schools and private = universities=20 and the Established "media" organs of mass communication, Judaism alone = among=20 the religions of the world is immune from scholarly criticism. First = because it=20 is perfect, being the creed of God's Master or "Chosen" Race and second = because,=20 even if it were as flawed to the degree that secular agnosticism asserts = that=20 every religion is flawed, it would still be wrong to expose it as such = because=20 to do so will lead to another "Holocaust."

If one looks beneath the sham appearances of this late 20th century, = that is=20 to say beyond the shuttered provincialism of Jew-worship, one glimpses = the=20 outlines of war. A relentless libel is directed at the Christian West, = or what=20 remains of it in the ruins, in the aftermath of a half-century of = constant=20 propaganda against it. It must be relentless to insure that no = smoldering spark=20 shall leap up to illuminate the perpetual dark night of the modern = era.

The story of the crucifixion of an honest man at the behest of the = Jewish=20 religious and political leadership, whose heroic committment to the = truth above=20 all else, testified to his divine patrimony, has been for 2,000 years a=20 permanent stumbling block to the ascendance of Jewish world supremacy. = Therefore=20 every attack upon the historical reality of this story and the person = and=20 morality of Jesus has been launched by the Khazars.

Where that has proved insufficient, the new state religion of = "Holocaust"=20 Newspeak (absent from dictionaries before 1978) has been established by = all=20 Western governments and by all hireling priests and preachers. By this = means=20 Auschwitz is made to replace Calvary as the axis mundi of Western = history. Though the tale of the destruction of the Khazars during World = War Two=20 has been wildly and shamelessly exaggerated out of all proportion to = what=20 actually occurred in that time, there is no doubt that Jewish people = were=20 murdered in the hundreds of thousands and that this was a horrible = crime.

But what is never factored into the equation as the indictment of the = West is=20 prepared on this basis, is the fact that Hitler and his National = Socialist=20 German Worker's Party rose to a fury of indignation against Jewish = people=20 directly as a result of what Jewish communists like Trotsky (actual = name: Leon=20 Bronstein) and Lenin and the thoroughly-Jewish Bolshevik communist party = in=20 Moscow had done to the Christian peasantry of Mother Russia, which the = Germans=20 regarded as every inch a "holocaust." (The Jewish extraction of Lenin's = mother=20 has long been known to many Russian historians and party bureaucrats = with access=20 to inside information. Cf. "Who was a Jew? Why, Lenin of Course!", = Jerusalem=20 Post International Edition, Jan. 26, 1991, and Dimitry Volkogonov,=20 Lenin: A New Biography).

Both the Jewish historian Arno Mayer in his book Why Did the = Heavens Not=20 Darken? and the German professor of history Ernst Nolte have noted = the=20 essential link between what the Jewish communists did to Christians in = Russia as=20 the basis for retribution against Jewish people in German-occupied=20 territories.

As Prof. Nolte points out, the Jewish communists in Russia founded = their=20 ideology on the demand for extermination on a huge scale. In September = of 1918=20 Jewish communist Grigori Zinoviev advocated the extermination of ten = million=20 Russians. In 1919 Lenin called for the deaths of millions of Christian = peasants=20 --the kulaks.

"...for Hitler, Bolshevism was a genuinely terrible vision constantly = before=20 the eyes." (Ernst Nolte, "The Holocaust Must Be Seen in Context," The = Independent, Nov. 5, 1988).

The horrors of Jewish Bolshevism is a vision almost never seen on our = telescreens or newspaper pages. The media of mass communications have = been=20 dominated by Khazars and their sympathizers almost since its inception. = (Cf.=20 Neal Gabler, How the Jews Invented Hollywood and William Cash, = "Kings of=20 the Deal," The Spectator, Oct. 29, 1994).

The myth is that Jews were regarded suspiciously in Germany in the = 1930s and=20 eventually punished solely due to sheer Teutonic or Christian cruelty = and=20 irrational hatred. Policed entirely out of the agenda is the fact that = while=20 Nazism was rising in Germany in the 1930s, Jewish Communist commissars = were=20 adminstering death camps and gulags for millions of Christians trapped = inside=20 the borders of the Soviet empire, a fact never revealed in "Holocaust" = studies=20 or movies.

While Khazars cry the loudest whenever any group or force obstructs = their=20 ambitions--these cries being infinitely magnified by the unprecedented=20 brainwashing abilities of the electronic visual media--it does not = necessarily=20 follow that Khazars are in fact the most persecuted or long-suffering of = the=20 peoples of the world.

The full, graphic acount of what the Jewish Communists did to Russia = and=20 Eastern Europe has yet to be told.

Another objection to this writing will be that it is, by definition=20 "neo-Nazi" and "crypto-fascist" simply because it does actually dare to = do what=20 Jewish historians and writers do weekly to Christianity: criticize = it.

Winston Churchill: The Politically Correct Exterminator

Then there is the "extermination" issue. If one attempts a = revaluation of the=20 Communist propaganda about Germany which has been absorbed into the body = politic=20 of the capitalist West, one is met with the cry of being "an apologist = for=20 exterminators." Such lofty moralizing does not even begin to signify = anything=20 unless it is consistent. The same critique, then, must be launched = against all=20 those "conservatives" and pseudo- "Christians" who defend or admire = Winston=20 Churchill. If Churchill is absolved, one can expect some revisionists to = also=20 absolve Hitler.

For it is no less a democratic icon than Winston Churchill who = advocated the=20 extermination of the civilian population of Germany through air strikes = on all=20 German city centers. On July 8, 1940 Churchill wrote that what was = needed=20 against the Germans was, "an absolutely devastating, exterminating = attack by=20 very heavy bombers on the Nazi homeland..." (Source: Geoffrey = Wheatcroft,=20 Spectator, Sept. 29, 1979).

In 1956 Churchill told President Eisenhower, "I am, of course, a = Zionist, and=20 have been ever since the Balfour Declaration." ( Herbert Mitgang, "The = Official=20 Churchill in One Volume," N.Y. Times, Nov. 6, 1991).

This campaign of Allied extermination of the German people had been=20 inaugurated on May 11, 1940 when the Royal Air Force (R.A.F.) was the = first=20 to bomb cities, in this case, German cities:

"Churchill ordered a series of night raids on Berlin for the = specific=20 purpose of diverting German attacks from the airfields of London. = After=20 Berlin was attacked six times, the German air force was ordered to = attack=20 London, and, as Churchill anticipated, the pressure on the airfields was = relieved. Thus began the blitz." (Benjamin Colby, Twas a Famous = Victory,=20 p.173, emphasis supplied).

But it would not be until Arthur Harris became commander-in-chief of = the=20 R.A.F.'s Bomber Command in February of 1942 that Churchill's plan for = the=20 extermination of the German people by fire was attempted with total = committment.=20 "Harris was...single-minded in his aim: the systematic destruction of = German=20 cities....His new campaign was inaugurated on March 28, 1942 with the=20 234-aircraft attack on Lubeck, a medieval town, strategically = insignificant but=20 in Harris's words, 'more like a fire-lighter than a human habitation.' = Lubeck=20 was burned to the ground, the first of many...

"The Ruhr towns were attacked from March to June 1943, Hamburg from = July to=20 November, Berlin from November until March, 1944...Using much more = sophisticated=20 techniques of electronic navigation, of marking and of bombing, the city = was=20 first broken up by explosives-- 'cookies' designed to blow open doors = and=20 windows--and then rained with incendiaries. Repeated raids overwhelmed = the civil=20 defense nd fire services. Bomber Command attacked Hamburg on 24 July, = again on=20 27 July, with American attacks in between. The raid of the 27th created = a vast=20 firestorm, destroying 22 square kilometres of the city and killing an = estimated=20 42,000 people. Fifteen months later Harris would boast that Bomber = Command 'has=20 virtually destroyed 45 out of the leading 60 German cities...

"One undefended city after another was devastated from end to end by=20 explosion and fire, 'browned' as the repellent R.A.F. phrase had = it...Darmstadt=20 was a beautiful old town in south-west Germany, economically = insignificant and=20 untouched until 11 September 1944, when it was 'browned' and 12,300 of = its=20 inhabitants were killed...

"The most famous target in this last phase was Dresden in February,=20 1945...But Dresden was no different in kind from the other terror raids=20 before...(A month later) Wurzburg...a town of complete (military)=20 unimportance...16 March, 1945...Bomber Command razed the town to the = ground in=20 slightly less than 20 minutes. Wurzburg, like 600,000 German = (civilians), had=20 surrendered unconditionally.

"What was especially reprehensible was the way in which Churchill = tried at=20 the end of the war to disassociate himself from the bombing... After the = war=20 Churchill could still write--privately--to an air marshall: 'We should = never=20 allow ourselves to apologize for what we did to Germany.' But he had the = instincts of a professional politician, and foresaw a reaction. On 28 = March 1945=20 he drafted a memorandum: 'It seems to me the moment has come when the = question=20 of bombing of German cities simply for the sake of increasing the = terror, though=20 under other pretexts, should be reviewed.

"... it (is) impossible for an Englishman born after the war to = travel=20 through Germany without a sense of shame...seeing medieval Nuremburg = which=20 Allied aircraft burnt to the ground and where Allied prosecutors had the = effrontery to accuse Goering and Kesselring of bombing Coventry and=20 Rotterdam...' ( Wheatcroft, Spectator, op. cit. Also cf. Max = Hastings,=20 Bomber Command.).

Christopher Mayhew, former President of the Oxford Union and a = British=20 soldier stationed in Germany wrote: "Have you seen a blitzed town? = London isn't=20 blitzed. Norwich is practically undamaged, a prosperous peaceful town. = German=20 towns are blitzed." (London Review of Books, June 20, 1985, = p.8).

Franklin D. Roosevelt: Another Accomplice in the Attempted = Extermination=20 of the German People

Americans too are culpable. As historian Ronald Schaffer has = documented,=20 President Franklin D. Roosevelt approved and encouraged the mass murder = of=20 German women and children by the U.S. Army Air Force. A top Roosevelt = staff=20 adviser, David T. Griggs, stated the administration's military policy = explicitly=20 when he wrote that the effort of the U.S. air forces "should be directed = to the=20 disruption of the German economy and the terrorization of the German = people."=20 (Ronald Schaffer, Wings of Judgment: American Bombing in World War = Two,=20 p. 94).

It was American P-5l Mustang pilots who swooped down along the banks = of the=20 river Elbe as masses of terrified German women and children huddled in = the=20 daylight aftermath of the firebombing of Dresden. The pilots = machine-gunned=20 these pitiful survivors en masse.

In the decay of language that is a signpost of the Orwellian = dissolution of=20 independent thinking in our time, the word holocaust, which by original=20 definition denotes death by fire, is now assigned almost exclusively to = the=20 deaths of Jews, allegedly by gas. 600,000 German civilians deliberately = burned=20 alive as Allied policy, receive no such "holocaust victim" status. In = fact, it=20 is regarded as some sort of blasphemy against the canons of "The = Holocaust"=20 civic religion that anyone other than a victim of Hitler is described = thus.

But anyone who takes the time and trouble to read the official = Strategic=20 Bombing Survey, prepared by the U.S. War Department, under the = section=20 "Morale Division-Medical Branch Report: The Effect of Bombing on Health = and=20 Medical Care in Germany," will find horrorific photographs and testimony = which=20 testifying that the "holocaust" victims of World War Two also included = the=20 German civilians and in the Pacific theatre, the civilian residents of = Tokyo,=20 Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

One survivor of the holocaust against the German people was = Helga=20 Hudepohl who wrote, "I was in the isolation ward of a clearly marked = children's=20 hospital in a rural area some 50 miles out side the city (of Berlin), 7 = years=20 old and ill with scarlet fever, when the hospital was bombed to bits and = pieces=20 by Harris' jolly group...Had there really been a fair 'Judgement at = Nuremberg,'=20 Harris would have been one of the accused and have been sent to the = gallows as a=20 war criminal." (Letters, N.Y. Times, Jan. 18, 1992, p. 22).

The deliberate extermination of the German people through air power = resounded=20 among military forces on the ground through the mouthpiece of the chief=20 propagandist for the Soviet empire, the Jewish Communist comunications = genius,=20 Ilya Ehrenberg. While any college kid can invoke the name of Joseph = Goebbels as=20 eponymous with propaganda, Ehrenburg's contribution to this infernal = science is=20 virtually unknown.

It was Ehrenburg who urged the troops of the Red Army, as they = advanced upon=20 the eastern borders of a prostrate and defeated Germany, to rape and = kill every=20 German civilian they could find. Every German girl over the age of eight = in the=20 German village of Nemmersdorf was raped. German women were nailed to the = sides=20 of barns.

At Yalta and Potsdam Truman and Churchill approved Stalin's call for = the=20 forced deportation of millions of ethnic Germans in those territories = ceded to=20 him. This resukted in the mass deportation of all Germans from lands = east of the=20 rivers Oder and Neisse. Thousands of German civilians were crammed into = railroad=20 cattle cars by the Communists. Those Soviet trains arrived in Berlin = with a=20 cargo of dead and dying German children packed like sardines. No = "holocaust"=20 movies have been made about the plight of these hapless children. They = were of=20 the wrong nationality and religion.

In Czechoslovakia in July, 1945, German women and children were = tossed from=20 bridges and more than 2,000 massacred.

By the end of 1946, German civilians in the British-occupied zone = were=20 receiving as little as 400 calories of food per day--half the ration the = inmates=20 at Belsen had received under the Nazis.

When the post-war expulsions and pogroms were over, two million = German=20 civilians were dead and fourteen million driven from their ancestral = lands in=20 one of the greatest acts of population-transfer in modern history.

We are told that World War Two was "the Good War" against "Germany, a = nation=20 conceived in hell itself" (Leslie Gelb, NY Times), "the = greatest=20 evil ever produced on earth" (Simon Schama).

But in so far as our psyche can disengage itself from Jewish = demonizing, the=20 reality is that WWII was a total war, an "unlimited, unconditional war" = against=20 not just Hitler and the Nazis but German women, children and defenseless = elderly=20 who were held to be collectively guilty.

President Roosevelt stated, "The German people as a whole must have = it driven=20 home to them that the whole nation has been engaged in a lawless = conspiracy=20 against the decencies of civilization." ( Robert Dallek, Franklin D.=20 Roosevelt and American Foeign Policy, pp. 472-473).

To teach them these "decencies," Mr. Roosevelt sanctioned the = policies of the=20 extirpation of German women and children through air force bombs and pal = "Uncle=20 Joe" Stalin's awfully decent Red Army.

Can there be any bloodier a killer on the earth than the do-gooder = liberal?=20 Roosevelt's mentality was first echoed in the U.S. in Abraham Lincoln's=20 abolitionist legions who were going to punish the South for its = "sins."

Maximillien Robespierre, leader of the French Revolution and the = "reign of=20 terror," wrote: "It is necessary to exterminate all those vile and = scoundrely=20 beings who conspire eternally against the rights of man and against the=20 happiness of all people."

A Jewish N.Y. Times editor, Judith Miller, along with most of the = kept press,=20 indicted the Ayatolah Khomeni of Iran for demanding of Iraq only = "unconditional=20 surrender" during the Iran-Iraq war. (N.Y. Times, May 17, 1992, = p.=20 E-3).

In the Jewish mentality, only the enemies of Judaism must be fought=20 unconditionally.

From this mentality was born Menachem Begin's Beirut, Lebanon, = August, 1982=20 and George Bush's Baghdad, Iraq, 1991. In both wars the indiscriminate = bombing=20 of the civilian population was central to military strategy, all in the = name of=20 sticky-sweet, fairy godmother platitudes coupled with the dehumanization = of the=20 Palestinian and Iraqi people. In both wars the mass murder of civilians = by air=20 power caused only a ripple of mild protest.

Dynastic Christian autocrats of antiquity, equated with "persecution" = and=20 "religious superstition" by the pundits of our "enlightened era," never=20 implemented any such mass murder military policy as we saw the Allies = commit in=20 World War Two and the Israeli air force perpetrate on Beirut in the = summer of=20 1982. ( Tony Clifton, God Cried).

The groundwork for the military policy of total war emerged in = Abraham=20 Lincoln's war against Southern independence; especially in the conduct = of=20 Generals Sheridan and Sherman. In the Old World, the British war against = the=20 Dutch- South African "Boer" civilians was an augur of the forthcoming=20 "blessings" of the 20th century. The British can be acknowledged as the=20 inventors of the first "concentration" camps where thousands of Boer = women and=20 children perished.

But while Lincoln was martyred and subsequently canonized as a = secular=20 Federal saint, his military practice was reversed by his successor = Johnson=20 almost immediately and with the exception of the most foaming = abolitionists, the=20 Southern people were soon viewed by their Northern brethren, as much = wronged. A=20 similar revulsion occurred in Britain in the wake of the pacification of = the=20 Boers.

Hence it would take the Jewish mentality, ascribing to its opponents = absolute=20 evil unmitigated in terms of reprisals for any previous Jewish crimes, = to create=20 a lasting marriage between modern policies and resources for total = warfare and=20 the permanent dehumanization of the people against whom those policies = are=20 directed, be they Germans, Palestinians or Iraqis.

It is not only Khazars or their proxies who slaughter civilian = populations.=20 World War I was a more than adequate example of the penchant for = slaughter on=20 the part of senile monarchs and corrupt politicians and generals, Axis = or=20 Allied. But it took the Jewish mentality to paint such slaughter in the = terms of=20 a perpetual morality play wherein any crime is permissible provided it = is=20 directed against those who have dared to raise their heads against = Judaism and=20 who, by Jewish theological definition, can be the only criminals.

Hitler and "Jewjitsu"

The larger question arises concerning whether Hitler really was an = enemy of=20 the Jewish people. One does not refer here to a parochial sense of the = war years=20 themselves but rather to their long-term consequences. Hitler as a = German=20 nationalist who had assigned himself the task of revival of Western = civilization=20 amid the decay, saw in the isolation, separation and if necessary, the=20 destruction of world Jewry, the salvation of Germany and European = culture.

But the sum effect of his effort was that Hitler was the real founder = of the=20 Israeli state. By losing the war against the Khazars he guaranteed them = the=20 public relations bonanza of all time and these masters of = guilt-inducement took=20 the ball all the way to nationhood.

Hitler's faith in the benevolence of the Judeo-masonic government of = Britain=20 and the Jewish ghetto known as the Vatican revealed that he was another = one of=20 those naive schoolboys the right-wing in the West routinely = produces.

Moreover, his government was riddled with spies and traitors and he = gave the=20 most important post of the entire German military, the Luftwaffe, to = G=F6ring, who=20 by that time had degenerated into a fat clown out of a comic opera. By = 1944 the=20 German people had a popular saying, that, "There was no roof over the = Reich."=20 This is not to in anyway disparage the heroism of the individual pilots = and=20 commanders of the legendary Luftwaffe's defensive fighter force, which = was the=20 best in the world, but rather the criminal incompetence of G=F6ring.

The chief supporters of the revival of Hitlerism in the world today = are the=20 Jews. Because they hysterically denounce any honest historical = discussion of the=20 virtues as well as the faults of the man and his regime, they are = thereby=20 building up immense pressure within the young, who are understandably=20 discontented and therefore, attracted to that which Hitler = represents.

When a corrupt society wholly condemns a single individual as the = "wickedest=20 man in the history of the world," those discontented elements of society = who are=20 convinced that the system under which they live is profoundly evil ,will = naturally gravitate toward this forbidden, near-mythic figure of evil. = Their=20 logic will be, "If this stinking society says he was bad, he must have = been=20 good."

The failure to demythologize Hitler, not just in terms of Hannah = Arendt's=20 "banality of evil," but by making an appraisal of the man independent of = the=20 function and requirements of Allied and Jewish propaganda, would show = him to=20 have been both good and bad; a product of his times set within the = context of=20 the mass murder-machine the Jewish Communists had got going in Russia = >from 1917=20 onward.

The Inner Dynamic of Judaism

Physical persecution of the Jewish people has always and everywhere = failed in=20 European history as a tactic for confining the kind of internal = influence=20 Pharisees have in native societies.

Pogroms and persecutions are completely counterproductive when = dealing with=20 the Jews. It must be remembered that Judaism is an inherently = self-destructive,=20 paranoid creed and the various bickering factions within Judaism are at = any=20 given time on the verge of civil war. The only factor that can truly = unite the=20 Khazars and make them a single force for power on the world stage, is = physical=20 persecution and attack.

Without such attack, they inevitably crumble from internal strife. = This is=20 why their Sanhedrin secretly promotes and funds violent persecution of = Jewish=20 people when such opposition is not present among the resident peasantry = of a=20 given nation. If you want to heal the world, leave the Jews alone, = physically.=20 They will destroy themselves or convert and reform.

The problem is, they won't leave us alone. Whenever we get the thing = they=20 fear the most going--when we get going what they have--community--that's = when=20 they unleash every force in their arsenal against us.

Under the current system, a critic of Talmudism and Phariseeism must = always=20 be labeled as a fascist. The term is used by people who don't know what = it=20 means. The most basic concept central to fascism is the utilization of = the power=20 of the state through centralization, to achieve certain sanctioned ends: = the=20 unity of the nation, the advancement of technology, the solution to the = problems=20 of unemployment and housing.

Fascism as a system of organization has nothing to do with opposition = to=20 Jews. The founders of the Fascist party in Italy were Jews. Right wing = Zionists=20 of the 1930s and 40s consciously styled themselves Fascists. The Israeli = government is allied with the fascist Phalange Party of Lebanon, whose = militia=20 police the "security zone" in occupied South Lebanon on behalf of the=20 Zionists.

The most successful fascist government was Franklin Roosevelt's=20 administration whose "New Deal" economic program marshalled the full = resources=20 of the state to operate businesses, conduct commerce, confiscate wages = and=20 earnings.

The neo-Nazi invective is equally empty and like "fascist" has = meaning only=20 as an insult intended to intimidate people who tell the truth = fearlessly. It is=20 a manufactured attribute imposed on critics of Judaism by Jews who = insist that=20 to expose their religion or its government in occupied Palestine to free = and=20 irreverent inquiry is tantamount to being a militiarist, a racist and a = lover of=20 dictatorship--and this from a militarist, racist, dictatorial Israeli=20 regime.

The greatest weapon against the Zionists is exposure, to have the = widest=20 possible study, analaysis and dissemination of their authentic teachings = and=20 practices in every field of human endeavor. This will not only protect = non-Jews=20 but will also help in the conversion of the Jewsish people = themselves.

Unlike the Allied mass murderers who hold the German people = collectively=20 culpable (as historian Daniel Goldhagen has decreed), one cannot and = must not=20 hold the Jewish people as whole collectively guilty, but only their = leaders,=20 religious and civil, i.e the latter day Pharisees.

The New Testament "blood taint" can no longer apply because the = original=20 Jewish race of 2,000 years past is as dead as is the Roman race with = which it=20 was contemporary. There is no pure "Jewish" blood today, only a racial = melting=20 pot of Khazar, Black and Oriental races designated as "Jewish" on the = political=20 expediency.

The greatest allies in the struggle against the evils of Judaism have = been in=20 the past and will be in the future, authentic converts from Judaism (for = example=20 Nicholas of Donin and Johannes Pffeferkorn).

The emphasis here must be on authenticity, however. The current "Jews = for=20 Jesus" movement is a telling example of a sham conversion since this = group=20 militantly supports the murders and racism of the Zionist Israeli state = in=20 contravention of every Christian principle. They have attempted to make = Christ=20 into a Pharisee. This is an abomination and these are no true converts. = "By=20 their fruits ye shall no them."

Zionists Behind Anti-Jewish Violence

A productive investigation for an enterprising historian would be the = pursuit=20 of the following line of enquiry: to what extent did the Zionist Jewish=20 leadership encourage Hitler's violent anti-Jewish policies and to what = extent do=20 they encourage or actually themselves commit violent attacks upon Jews=20 today?

Rabbi E. Schwartz, writing in the N.Y. Times of May 18, 1993: = "To=20 achieve their goal of statehood the Zionists have always deliberately = provoked=20 anti-Semitism...Their interest was not to save Jews, on the contrary, = more=20 spilling of Jewish blood would strengthen their demand of the nations = for the=20 creation of their state."

Why would Zionists want to assist violent anti-Jewish opposition? = Perhaps=20 they understand well that Jewish propaganda requires violent opposition = to Jewry=20 and synagogue and cemetery vandalism, in order to expand their influence = and=20 power and where none exist they either incite it by means of their = control of=20 Hollywood-style, neo-Nazi front groups, or they perpetrate the actions=20 themselves.

Just Law Enforcement, Not Persecution

Jewish murderers, kidnappers, rapists, usurers and those engaged in = treason=20 and subversion can be executed by the civil authorities upon indictment, = prosecution and conviction in fair criminals trials operated within the=20 safeguards of the common law jury and appeal process. The critical point = is that=20 they would be executed not because they were Jewish, but because they = were=20 murderers, rapists, kidnappers, usurers, traitors and subversives. = Moreover,=20 non-Jewish usury bankers, loan sharks, murderers, rapists, kidnappers = and=20 abortionists are even more culpable than Zionist crooks and killers, = since the=20 non-Jewish criminals are additionally guilty of betraying their own = kind. These=20 would most certainly be liable to a death penalty for their crimes.

In this way the ruling class, arch-criminals in the masonic and = corporate=20 elite who seek to escape justice when Biblical forces come to power, on = the=20 basis of their skin color or claims about their naivete,=B4 will be = foiled. The=20 Pharisees could never have gotten to first base in their push for the = reign of=20 Anti-Christ were it not for their allies among the masonic and corporate = overclass--nearly dynastic families who are attempting to impose a = police state=20 for the benefit of bankers, lawyers, Zionists and their "Aryan" = cronies.

Equal Rights and Justice

Legal executions of Pharisees who are guilty of crimes cannot be = considered=20 as "violent opposition" to Jewish people because these actions would be = meted=20 out uniformly, without regard to race or creed, on the basis of crimes = committed=20 by any malefactor. Hence the punishment is a legal rather than a = vigilante=20 function of the civil powers who, according to the Bible, "bear not the = sword in=20 vain."

There will be those who will ask, "Why accord Jewish killers--or any = other=20 killer for that matter--benefit of law? If we know they are culpable, = why not=20 just initiate summary executions?"

History teaches that such vigilante acts always denegerate into a = witchhunt=20 against innocents with whom the vigilantes have private scores and = vendettas to=20 settle, and who exact their revenge by means of lumping their personal = enemies=20 into the general category of "enemies of the people." Such actions are = the=20 hallmark of the French Revolution and Bolshevism and of Oriental = despotism and=20 Latin American societies--forms of corruption and cruelty which are = inimical to=20 Biblical and European yeoman values.

In a key exchange attributed to Sir Thomas More by Robert Bolt, More = answers=20 the objections of his hot-headed son-in-law, Roper, who urges him to use = his=20 position as Lord Chancellor to eliminate his enemies:

"Mrs. More: While you talk, he's gone! (A reference to More's = dangerous=20 personal enemy, Richard Rich, who has just left the house).

More: And go he should, if he was the Devil himself, until he broke = the=20 law!

Roper: So now you'd give the Devil benefit of law!

More: Yes. What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get = after=20 the Devil?

Roper: I'd cut down every law in England to do that.

More: Oh? And when the law was down and the Devil himself turned = 'round on=20 you--where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This = country's=20 planted thick with laws from coast to coast...and if you cut them = down--and=20 you're just the man to do it--do you really think you could stand = upright in the=20 winds that would blow then? Yes, I'd give the Devil benefit of law, for = my own=20 safety's sake."

In the preceding dialogue we observe the ethos later exhibited by the = American Revolutionaries of 1776 who were successful in winning and = sustaining a=20 revolution based on justice and equality before the law. Khazars cannot=20 legitimately claim persecution under such a system of just law and = enforcement.=20 Indeed, it is the integrity of just such a system which distinguishes = our values=20 and way of life from those of Zionists, Oriental despots and banana=20 republics.

Deep into the Psychology of Opposition

Hitler's techniques has been harnessed today in America to the ends = of the=20 contemporary corporate, capitalist state and exhibited at great profit = at every=20 stadium-sized, "rock muzak" concert and every "Super Bowl" and "World=20 Series."

If there is any genuine, potent, corporate "neo-Nazism" extant today, = it=20 exists on the rock stage or the pro sports field, where the same = sloganeering,=20 and submission, as was witnessed in the techniques and adulation = accorded Hitler=20 and the Nazi party, are put in service of the American capitalist = system. But=20 whereas at least Hitler did these things in the name of his nation and=20 indigenous culture, American corporate fascism exists solely to enrich a = gangster class of money grubbers.

And lest it be thought that we imagine that only Jews grub for lucre, = the=20 lessons of our literature, from the American Mrs. McTeague in Frank = Norris'=20 McTeague, who out-Jewed the Jewish ragman in avarice, to the = Englishman=20 Monks in Charles Dickens' Oliver Twist , who outdid Fagin in = villainy,=20 and Mark Twain's townful of crooked hypocrites in Hadleyburg, are = all=20 reminders that we are not to imagine that white Aryans possess any = immunities=20 >from evil or that Jewish persons possess any monopoly upon them.

But they key here is that by casting themselves as hunted fugitives = from=20 Christian vigilantes, the Jewish psychology has been able to blackmail = humanity=20 into tolerating the Jewish invasion of Palestine and the displacement = and murder=20 of its people, along with control of, or inordinate influence over, the = money=20 and mass media of every Western nation. In truth Jewish operatives have=20 controlled the governments of the West for decades and in some cases = (Great=20 Britain for example), centuries. If we look deep beneath the hoodwink we = observe=20 that it is the non-Jewish dissidents who are the victims of the supposed = "Jewish=20 martyrs."

The Mentality

When a Jewish professor of philosophy from Louisiana State Univ. = attacked the=20 late anthropologist Joseph Campbell as an anti-semite, he phrased the = attack not=20 in terms of the quest for the truth about the nature of the Jews, but in = terms=20 of how Jews are "disparaged" by Campbell. The Jewish professor said that = Joseph=20 Campbell, "invariably disparaged Judaism as literalistic, chauvinistic = and=20 parochial--stock anti-semitic epithets." (NY Times Dec. 2, 1989, p. = 26).

In other words, Campbell is wrong because he spoke truths that = "disparage"=20 Judaism. These truths are identified as coming from a "stock" of = epithets that=20 the writer identifies as being hateful or anti-semitic. But since it = is=20 true that Judaism is parochial and highly chauvinistic, how = does it=20 become grounds for censure when these truths have been known for = hundreds, even=20 thousands of years and form a body of traditional Western observation = upon the=20 Jews which the Jewish writer seeks to delegitimize by terming them=20 "epithets?"

Another phenomenon at work is the assumption that Jews themselves = have no=20 framework of hate within their own tradition, no "stock epithets" for=20 Christians. Anti-Christianism isn't even a recognized term in the = English=20 language. To defend one's Western heritage and point to the stock = epithets of=20 anti-Christianism prominent in Judaism, is to practice hate, according = to the=20 received opinion of our day.

For Jews to accuse a non-Jew of hating Jews is a noble act of human = rights=20 pique. But for a non-Jew to accuse a Jew of hating Gentiles is itself = regarded=20 as hateful. This mentality of the hypocritical double-standard is a = Jewish=20 mentality.

Jews absolve themselves of much of what they accuse others of. = Syndicated=20 columnist Joseph Sobran states:

"The name of this little game is keeping the goyim on the = defensive at=20 all times. If they can't be refuted, attack them personally: Insinuate = that=20 whatever they say in their own defense is actuated by the worst motives, = motives=20 which it goes without saying, have no equivalent among Jews themselves, = who are=20 always acting in self-defense. The standard public rhetoric only = recognizes=20 anti-Semitism, it hardly imagines the possibility of = anti-Gentilism...It's as if=20 hatred, fear, suspicion and contempt could only occur on one side.

"...There is no hyphenated cussword in general use to stigmatize = hostility to=20 Christianity...Leon Wieseltier can call a cross on a convent at = Auschwitz=20 'sickening,' and nobody condemns him...Israeli soldiers can beat up a = priest on=20 the West Bank, then shoot up his church during Mass, and only the = Catholic press=20 takes note...If Christians had done such a thing to a synagogue, = anywhere, it=20 would have been front-page news, everywhere. (Wanderer, Oct. 12, = 1989, p.=20 7; National Review, March 16, 1992, p. S-5).

Indeed, in the fabrication of so-called, in the dreadful Newspeak of = New York=20 Times-ese, "hate speech" law codes, law makers deliberately design them = with the=20 concept of silencing critics of Jews on the assumption that only the = critics of=20 the Jews are capable of hate; the supposition being that Jews are immune = to=20 hating or if they do hate, their hatreds must be excused in light of the = "Holocaust." Michael Thomas, writing in Hanover Place, states, = "...these=20 days there seems to be quite a few people who shout 'Holocaust!' when = given a=20 parking ticket."

Timothy Danson, a Canadian constitutional lawyer, advocates laws for = the=20 suppression of critics of Judaism: "...the concept of freedom of speech = does not=20 entail the protection by the courts, of malicious lies." Here we see the = axiom=20 that anyone who criticizes Judaism is a liar. This is a totalitarian = position=20 and makes the Jews divine in the way the European monarchs and Chinese = emperors=20 were regarded as having "Divine Right."

Danson goes on to say, "Anti-semitism does not fall within the = category of=20 ideas or opinions that ought to be protected by the Canadian Charter of = Rights=20 and Freedoms. The anti-semite has chosen hate...and therefore he need = not=20 concern himself with truth or reason."

This Canadian lawyer is saying that to criticize Judaism or Jews is = an act of=20 hate. Because he is totally steeped in the Jewish version of the world = this=20 lawyer cannot conceive of the possibility that Judaism might be a = tyranny and to=20 criticize tyranny is liberation.

This Canadian Constitutional lawyer states that opposition to Jews = cannot be=20 grounded in truth or reason. That is to say, according to Mr. Danson, it = is=20 irrational and mendacious to criticize Jews or Judaism. Here we see the = creation=20 of a special category of immunity for Judaism.

Mr. Danson goes further and states that those who criticize Judaism = are=20 insane criminals: "The anti-semite's point of departure emanates from=20 irrationality..The anti-semite is a sadist, and in the very depths of = his heart,=20 a criminal."

Thus the critics of Judaism are dehumanized to the utmost: they are = cruel,=20 they are criminals, they are crazy. Criminals and the insane have no = rights and=20 this is precisely what this prominent Canadian constitutional lawyer is=20 advocating: that those who dare to criticize Judaism ("anti-semites") be = denied=20 any rights.

But the question springs to mind, what of Jews who criticize or hate=20 Palestinians or Christians, are they also insane sadists and criminals = who must=20 be dealt with by Canada's "criminal justice system"?

Mr. Danson has the answer: "History speaks of the bloody persecution = of the=20 Jews over the centuries." In Mr. Danson's world-view, carefully imbibed = >from the=20 official history of the Jewish version of education and information, = only Jews=20 suffered a notable "bloody persecution." Palestinians and Christians are = cast=20 only as the villains, never the victims of Zion. (Canadian Jewish = News,=20 Aug. l8, l988, p. 9).

The psychiatricization of the issue is a commonplace. Kenneth Stern, = the=20 American Jewish Committee's expert on "hate groups" (they mean = gentile hate=20 groups since Jewish supremacists and terrorists are not included) and = author of=20 A Force Upon the Plain: The American Militia Movement and the = Politics=20 of Hate regards the militia, a Second Amendment constititional = phenomenon,=20 as "the eruption of irrational behavior." They are also "paranoid" and = possessed=20 of a "deteriorating mental state." (Cf. N.Y. Times, Feb. 12, = 1996,=20 p. B-2).

Funny, but this writer knows of a nation of people who have made a = religion out of paranoia. In fact Stern's book is filled with page = after=20 page of warnings about an "impending pogrom" against--guess who?

History is more than the records that issue from the official sources = and the=20 monopolies on academic investigation. The founding leadership of the = communist=20 movement in Russia responsible for the slaughter of 20 million = Christians, was=20 predominately Jewish. The mass murder of Palestinian women and children = by the=20 Israeli army and air force is a modern example of Jewish atrocities = against=20 non-Jews. This slaughter was aided by the Soviet communist Jews who in = 1948=20 smuggled weapons to the Zionists in Tel Aviv using Czechosloakia as a = conduit.=20 (Christian News, May 31, 1993, p.7).

One of the bloodiest butchers of Russian Christians was Leon = Bronstein, a Jew=20 who later changed his name to Trotsky and was the first commander of the = communist Red Army. Trotsky's great, great grandson, David Axelrod, = resides in=20 Israel where he terrorizes Palestinian civilians just as his great, = great=20 grandfather terrorized Russian Christians. In November of 1990, Axelrod = shot to=20 death an elderly Arab couple who were on their way to pick olives in a = village=20 near Nablus (Village Voice, Nov. 20, 1990, p. 30).

Anti-Semanticism

What is also very interesting about the term anti-semitism which has = escaped=20 analysis is that the use of the phrase is itself an instrument of hate = since it=20 is a means of equating a person with being "insane," a "criminal" and a=20 "sadist." Persons thus labeled are subject to the loss of employment, = housing=20 and civil and human rights.

What is the definition of an anti-semitic act? In so serious a crime, = the=20 felonious conduct should be clearly indicated. In spite of much palaver = to the=20 contrary, the definition is much akin to the logic of the Red Queen of = Alice's=20 Wonderland who said that a word was "Anything I want it to be." Someone = is an=20 anti-semite simply by criticizing Jews, Judaism or the Israeli state. In = other=20 words, for doing anything that Jews deem offensive.

For example, when journalist Patrick Buchanan criticized the Jewish = role in=20 the formation of U.S. Middle East foreign policy, Abe Rosenthal, = contributing=20 editor of the N.Y. Times, compared Buchanan to Nazi soldiers who forced = Jews=20 into the Warsaw ghetto! (NY Times, Sept. 27, 1990, p. 14). The term = anti-semite=20 then, applies equally to the murderers of Jews as to the critics of = Jews.

Profesor of Literature Hugh Kenner in a letter to William F. Buckley = Jr.:=20 "The points on which I agree with Joe Sobran are 1a)that the state of = Israel is=20 mighty arrogant in its presumption of entitlement to U.S. handouts and = general=20 compliance; 1b) that a large & influential U.S. Jewish population = shares=20 this presumption...2) that 'anti-semitism' is a rather facile label for = habitual=20 objections to 1a and 1b...I note from a recent NY Times that Abe=20 Rosenthal...was not satisfied with your treatment of Pat Buchanan.

"It is surely evident that such as he will never be satisfied by = anything=20 short of a casting of whoever annoys them into outer darkness, and I = think it is=20 a mistake to let them control the terms of the discourse. = 'Anti-semitism'--here=20 I agree with Joe--has no stable meaning; it can run all the way from gas = ovens=20 to a mere wish that Abe R. would moderate his frenzies. And a term that = has no=20 stable meaning is simply not a profitable head for rational = discussions."=20 (National Review, March 16, 1992, p. S-22).

It is questionable whether Kenner's statement would even be allowed = once=20 Orwellian "hate speech" criminal codes are fully developed and enforced. = Any=20 kind of deep, critical thinking analyzing matters such as who sets the = terms of=20 discourse and what the phrase anti-semitism actually means (nothing) and = is used=20 for (to silence original thought), are slated to be criminalized. = Kenner's=20 reasoned attempt to decide what are the grounds for "rational = discussion" would=20 be labeled as "irrational" and "sadistic."

The defense against Prof. Kenner's thoughts must be in terms of the=20 denunciation of a heretic, a "criminally insane hater" who has the gall = to deny=20 the True Faith of Absolute Belief in the Infallible Goodness of Judaism. = The=20 superstructure of piety is erected over the framework of debate. The = state=20 religion of the otherwise agnostic, terminal West emerges--the Church of = the=20 "Holocaust"--cloaked in the moth-eaten, dusty, ermine robes not used = since the=20 coronations of popes, czars and emperors.

High Priest Eric Breindel of the NY Post announces that "after = Auschwitz,=20 express hostility to the essential Zionist endeavor on the part of a = Western=20 intellectual requires an explanation." (NY Post, Jan. 16, 1992, p. = 27).

The Los Angeles Times decrees the fantastic dogma that public = criticisms of=20 Jews are precursors of a Holocaust. (L.A. Times, Feb. 6, 1990, p. = A-5).

Milking the guilt-dogma of this state religion, the N.Y. Times = alleges that=20 "It reeks of anti-semitism to suggest that survivors of the Holocaust = are to be=20 condemned for establishing a haven in the only state in which Jews form = the=20 majority." (NY Times, Dec. 17, 1991, p. 20). Here is the sacred = state-church=20 dogma of the "Holocaust" in action as it is invoked to block = condemnation of the=20 "holy" Israeli people and achieve political gain for the Zionist = state.

The association of a stench with condemnation of Israeli murder and=20 dispossession of Palestinians effectively stops any further clearheaded = analysis=20 of the terms the NY Times has established for dealing with Israelis. By = the same=20 logic, Cambodians must be immune from condemnation if they murder and = dispossess=20 ethnic Chinese and Vietnamese in Cambodia, because they too are = "survivors of a=20 holocaust" who are "establishing a haven in the only state in which = Cambodians=20 form the majority."

According to Prof. Irv Abella, "The Holocaust metaphor being used = against=20 Israel is a group libel..." (Canadian Jewish News, Dec. 26, 1991, = p. 4).=20 Apparently Jews have a copyright on the word, a proprietary relationship = that=20 forbids its application to the mass murders the "holy people" themselves = perpetrate upon mere Palestinians.

That we are dealing with a religious impulse rather than merely a = debate=20 between competing ideas can be seen in the fact that the believers in = the Church=20 of the Holocaust are unable even to imagine an alternative view. Joseph = Sobran=20 in his published debate with William Buckley:

"An anti-semite' in actual usage, is less often a man who hates Jews = than a=20 man certain Jews hate. The word expresses the emotional explosion that = occurs in=20 people who simply can't bear critical discourse about a sacred topic, = and who=20 experience criticism as profanation and blasphemy. The term = 'anti-semitism'=20 doesn't stand for any intelligible concept. It belongs not to the world = of=20 rational discourse, but to the realm of imprecations and maledictions = and ritual=20 ostracisms." (National Review, March 16, l992, p. S-5).

Sobran's epigram about anti-semitism being more properly defined as a = man=20 Jews hate, is corroborated by the knowledge that when Jews heatedly = disagree=20 with one another they sometimes call each other "anti-semites." When = Michael=20 Bar-Zohar of the Israeli Labour Party voted for religious Jews to be = subject to=20 the Israeli army draft like all other able-bodied young Jews, he was = called an=20 "anti-semite" and a "Nazi" by members of the Shas and Degel HaTorah = parties in=20 the Knesset. (The Jewish Ledger, April 2, 1992, p. 24).

When Israeli Prime Minister Yithak Rabin chose to recognize the = Palestine=20 Liberation Organization in Gaza, his Jewish political rivals produced = posters=20 showing Rabin dressed in a Nazi uniform. Later this "Nazi" was murdered = by a=20 fellow Zionist.

It is fitting that in this most stupid of all ages, when man has = become=20 puffed up on his own supposed scientific grasp of the universe he = presumes to=20 have mastered, that we should witness the crowning self-mockery of this = creed of=20 rational modern progress, in its enslavement to the racist, = superstitious=20 religion of Judaism, to which all good citizens of the One World Utopia = must=20 make obeisance or stand stigmatized as "anti-see mites," a species akin = to that=20 of an insect.

The insect analogy is apropos. The former chief of staff of the = Israeli armed=20 forces, Raphael Eitan, referred to the Palestinian people as = "cockroaches=20 scurrying around in a bottle."

The Blood and Soil ideology of Zionism which has violently = dispossessed the=20 native Palestinians of 92% of their land and which guarantees = immigration only=20 to Jews, is racist to the core. Equality between Arabs and Jews in the = Israeli=20 state is a fiction. Yet, according to the N.Y. Times, to say that = Zionism is=20 just that--organized, nationalistic racism-- "remains code language for=20 bigotry." (NY Times, Sept. 24, 1991, p. 30).

By N.Y. Times logic it is an act of bigotry to point out that Zionism = constitutes bigotry against Arabs.

This is the Jewish mentality par excellence.

They've internalized their chauvinism to such an extent that they are = literally incapable of objectivity or dispassionate examination of their = own=20 foibles, pretensions, myths and legends. And the idea that speaking out = against=20 the racism of Zionism, is some form of racism, is a palimpsest of fraud. = Beneath=20 the branch of Zionism is an even more unlovely tree, the ferocious=20 hate-mongering at the very heart of the religion of Judaism.

Tall Tales

Only a nation of infants who have been spoon-fed the pablum of = relentless=20 Jewish propaganda would question the reality of Judaism's race-hate = doctrines.=20 Jewish hasbara (propaganda) is first and foremost based on brazen = lying,=20 the more outrageous the better. Though they have accused Hitler of the = Big Lie=20 technique they are themselves the chief practicioners of it. In = addressing the=20 Jewish leadership, Christ said they were, "Of your Father, a murderer = and a liar=20 >from the beginning." (John 8:44).

When gas chamber doubter Bradley Smith placed a series of nationwide=20 advertisements in college newspapers for his views, Harvard Law = professor Alan=20 Dershowitz rushed to respond, denouncing Smith nationally in print as a=20 "known...anti-Black racist." This was a complete lie made up out of thin = air.=20 Said Smith, "So far as anti-Black racism goes, in all the stuff I've = written=20 over the last 20 years I've never written a word on that issue. It can't = even be=20 argued. It's a complete invention...They make any accusation that comes = to mind,=20 confident that media won't try to find out the truth of the matter." = (Smith's=20 Report, Dec. 1991, pp. 2-3).

A few years ago National Public Radio (NPR), a taxpayer financed = enterprise,=20 championed the cause of 72 year old David S. Rubitsky, who claimed that = only=20 "anti-semitism" was keeping him from receiving the Congressional Medal = of Honor=20 for having single-handedly killed more than 600 Japanese soldiers in a = battle.=20 According to Rubitsky, he fought off waves of Japanese soldiers in = all-night=20 fight and saved his battalion. He said Japanese bodies were "piled like=20 cordwood." He told reporters: "Some were still alive. Some I just hit in = the=20 shoulder and couldn't move. Some in the legs. So I would just shoot them = and=20 bayonet them, shoot them and bayonet them. I was a completely insane = man."

As soon as NPR and the NY Times discovered that there was a Jew who = was not=20 getting the highest military award, that magic explanation for all = Jewish=20 troubles, "anti-semitism," was summoned. The Times and NPR reflexively = played=20 the hound to the U.S. Army's hare. As it turned out, Rubitsky's account = was=20 conclusively proved false. Rubitsky's evidence, a Japanese inscription = on a=20 photograph, was judged by both military experts and historians in the = U.S. and=20 Japan to be "100 percent...a forgery."

However, since this was a Jew the media were dealing with, the NY = Times=20 conceded that, "In a reflection of the delicacy of the = matter...Army=20 officials and members of Congress were careful not to portray Mr. = Rubitsky as a=20 deliberate liar...simply an honorable old soldier with a foggy memory." = (NY=20 Times, Dec. 16, pp. 1 and 14; Dec. 17, 1989; also cf. Researcher=20 newsletter, vol. 3, no. 5, p. 1). Indeed it must have been a = very=20 foggy night out there in the Pacific.

One wonders if the perpetrator of this little yarn had been an aging, = hillbilly, good ol' boy from north Alabama, what pyrotechnic paroxysms = of=20 pointed media indignation would have been directed at his church, his = culture=20 and his community?

The same "foggy memories" applied in the Israeli trial of Cleveland=20 auto-worker John Demjanjuk, where several Jewish "eyewitnesses" swore, = without a=20 trace of doubt or shadow of uncertainty, that Demjanjuk was the infamous = "Ivan=20 the Terrible," gasser-general of Treblinka. Demjanjuk was convicted and=20 sentenced to hang on the strength of these "honorable old" Jewish=20 "eyewitnesses." Only later did researchers working for his family prove = that=20 Ivan the Terrible was long dead and Demjanjuk was not him.

To say that some Jews are known for telling lies is not wrong if it = is the=20 truth.

But the Jewish response is not to argue the point, but to categorize = it and=20 place it in their mad panopoly of pathology. In the Jewish mentality, to = indict=20 some Jews for a crime of which they are guilty is a form of sickness. = Hence to=20 say that some Jews are known for a propensity to lie, will not evince an = admission from Jews that the Congressional Medal of Honor seeker was a = fraud ,as=20 are many so-called "survivors" of the "Holocaust."

But rather, the Jewish response is to say that accusing Jews of lying = has=20 been part of the "familiar libels" and "stock charges" of history. No = real=20 defense is offered, only the demand, based on the prestige and media = clout of=20 the Jews, that they are to be believed and their critics silenced and = reviled.=20 Elemental discourse with Jews becomes impossible under such = circumstances=20 because Jews insist on non-negotiable absolutes: that they are, by = divine right,=20 God's master race, and that traditional Western Civilization's portrayal = of them=20 as money-mad, liars and extreme racists is always wrong.

This Jewish stance necessitates an investigation into what Jewish = tradition=20 holds about Western Christian civilization and Gentiles in general to = determine=20 if it is Western tradition that is wrong and Jewish tradition blameless, = or=20 whether they may be something evil within ancient Jewish tradition.

That we have the right to sift Judaism for evil traditions is = certainly a=20 turnabout of fair play since leading Jewish spokesmen have been = condemning=20 Western traditions as evil since the rise of mass communications. = Denying us the=20 right to sift their tradition for evidence of evil and criminality while = they do=20 it to us constantly, is the Jewish mentality in action.

Take for purposes of citation, the New Testament story of Jesus = chasing the=20 Jewish money-lenders out of the Temple. If we suggest that there might = be a=20 co-equivalent in our time of Jewish capitalists robbing the economies of = the=20 West, Zionists will condemn the point not on the basis of fact but by = screaming=20 "anti-semitism" and trotting out their shopworn cliches about "reeks of = a stench=20 of bigotry," "an accusation worthy of medieval inquisitors" and other = similar=20 linguistic devices intended to avoid debate on the merits or lack of = same of the=20 accusation.

Yet the facts speak for themselves: nine out of ten of the people = indicted in=20 Wall Street insider-trading securities' fraud are Jewish. James B. = Stewart's=20 1991 book about the chief Wall Street money-changer crook of our time, = the=20 Khazar Michael Milken, is aptly titled Den of Thieves. The sad = fact is=20 that, whether 2,000 years ago or now, some Jews have an innate = propensity for=20 crooked financial dealings.

This is admitted privately by the Jews themselves. Chaim Bermant is = an=20 orthodox Jewish columnist for the national Zionist newspaper Jewish = Chronicle=20 based in Britain. In his writing of March 1, 1991 he upholds = the=20 observation that Jews are essentially dependents who must prey on a = productive=20 people in order to survive.

Chaim Bermant asks:

"...why are Jews wildly successful at making money everywhere else in = the=20 world except Israel?..in Israel there are no Gentiles, i.e. no suckers = waiting=20 to be got the better of. Where everybody is on the ball, how can anybody = score=20 goals?"

This is the truth about Israelis from the mouth of a Khazar himself, = whose=20 opinion carried enough of the ring of authenticity, to be repeated in = print in a=20 major Jewish newspaper. Yet if you or I repeat this truth we are subject = to=20 invective and even prosecution.

Yet I maintain that many Irishmen have a propensity for alcoholism, = many=20 Germans for petty bureaucracy, many Americans for mindless Babbittry, = many=20 Scotsmen for parsimony and many Englishman for homosexuality. Whether I = am right=20 or wrong in these characterizations should be argued on the basis of = historical=20 fact and statistical analysis, not hysterical screaming and laws = intended to=20 criminalize one's thoughts and writings.

In fact, though Irishmen, Germans, Americans, Scots and English might = not=20 like what I have to say and might counter forcefully with facts and = figures of=20 their own to dispel my conceptions, few of them would seek to pass laws = to=20 imprison those who hold such uncomplimentary views, probably because = deep=20 inside, these Irish, Germans, Americans, Scots and English know their = own worth=20 as great peoples who have led great civilizations.

Jailers, Inquisitors and Thought Controllers

It is the Zionists who have such tremendous insecurities about their=20 contributions to world history and if truth be told, a clandestine = knowledge of=20 the truth of their critics' accusations, so that they must resort to the = jailer's turnkey to maintain their world hegemony. It is because the = truth=20 carries its own special sting that Jews call for the imprisonment of = their=20 intellectual critics.

The persecution trombone will inevitably squeek out a long row of = shrill=20 notes at this juncture. At long last, a comonsense approach to this = subject must=20 be argued. If Jews habitually lie and cheat whose fault is it if they = are=20 "persecuted" as they call it? The more proper word is prosecuted.

Moreover, in the annals of history the Irish have been among the most = persecuted people on earth. The treatment of the Germans in the U.S. = during=20 World War One bordered on a lynch-mob mentality and at the end of World = War Two,=20 millions of German civilians perished as a result of deliberate mass = explusions=20 and population transfers. Thanks to Jewish influence over the media of = mass=20 communications, little or none of this is known to the public.

More importantly, we are enjoined to speak the truth no matter what = the=20 consequences, come what may. It is the mentality of a slave to hold back = or=20 suppress the truth because of what may result from having spoken or = written it.=20 The "poisecution" claim of the Khazars is no grounds for refusing to = tell the=20 truth about them.

All learning is based upon curiosity and curiosity is the unfettered=20 exploration of that which is interesting. The weird halo of immunity = which=20 surrounds the Jewish nation is a highly interesting sanction and no = scholar must=20 be faulted for defying it. To pretend that we must approach the Jewish = question=20 with some special reverence and reserve, fearful of causing offense, is = a=20 totalitarian expectation.

All investigations must be free and impartial and lead wherever the = evidence=20 leads; anything less is Orwellian. Only in the presence of a dictator = are we=20 compelled to exhibit a fawning sychophancy and certain Jews have become = every=20 inch the dictators of what constitutes the "proper" bounds of writing = and=20 research, as surely as any Ming Dynasty emperor or Stalinist commissar = decreed=20 the perimeters for scholars in those eras.

Such a dictatorship of the mind can only be rightfully resented.

The Talmud: The Original Hate Propaganda Volumes

What is clear from this debate is that either one heritage or the = other must=20 be indicted as evil: either Western Civlization was irredeemably evil = for having=20 prosecuted and punished the saints and angels who comprised God's Chosen = Representatives on Earth, or Judaism is an evil creed which instills in = its=20 followers a willingness to lie, cheat and murder those whom their Talmud dehumanizes as goyim, = resulting in=20 natural resistance from non-Jews.

Isn't it interesting that while it is considered utterly correct, = moral and=20 proper to paint the whole of Western Civilization as evil for alleged = crimes=20 against the Jews, it has been ruled totally inadmissible, immoral and = racist to=20 condemn Judaism as an evil force?

In this matter of the Talmud and the allegation that Jews ferociously = hate=20 and despise non-Jews as part of their religious instruction, we can = argue from a=20 body of facts and documentation which will send those liberals who are = always=20 calling for dialogue, scurrying for the nearest police station to demand = our=20 arrest.

They do not want and cannot endure a frank, open dialogue on the = contents of=20 the Jewish sacred book, the Talmud, or on the extent to which Judaism is = infected with institutional racism and hatred for non-Jews. Like any=20 superstitious zealot, they are content to conform to the official decree = of the=20 state religion of "Holocaust" piety. Critical analysis and thinking = independent=20 of received opinion--faculties cited as absolutely indispensable by = liberals=20 when considering any other religion--are discarded when it comes to = Judaism.=20 Here one is abjured only to bend the knee, tip the hat and be on one's = way.

This cowardly betrayal of our God-given powers of reason--also = advocated by=20 conservatives--should anger any researcher or scholar worth his or her = salt and=20 that anger ought to be translated into the most rigorous and thorough, = impartial=20 examination of Judaism it is within our power to render. Such an = examination, to=20 be valid, must begin with the Jewish sources themselves.

Whenver the subject of hatred and racism in the Talmud is raised, = certain=20 Jewish rabbis nearly always respond with a barrage of name-calling, = coupled with=20 a statement that the Talmud is free of all such negativity. This is the = official=20 position, promoted in the media intended for consumption by Gentiles. = But let us=20 see what the Jews say in publications intended for each other.

The Jewish Press is reputed to be the largest Jewish newspaper = in=20 America. Politicians court it for endorsements and orthodox Jews consult = it for=20 instruction. Rabbi Simcha Cohen writes an authoritative teaching column = in=20 The Jewish Press entitled, "Halachic Questions."

In his column Rabbi Cohen stated, concerning the Talmud's view of = "heathens,"=20 that is, non-Jews, that they are "animals." Rabbi Cohen writes that the = Talmudic=20 teaching that non-Jews are animals can be found in the Talmud books = Gemara=20 Kiddushin 68a and Metzia 114b. (The Jewish Press, Feb. 19, 1988, = p.=20 10A).

Jewish men are admonished not to marry a non-Jewish women because = such women=20 all have the status of zona that is, prostitutes. According to = Rabbi=20 Samuel A. Turk, writing in The Jewish Press of June 22, 1990, p. = 38,=20 quoting the halachic authority, Gentiles are not allowed to marry into = Israel=20 because Israel must have within it "no harlot;" and "neither shall there = be a=20 sodomite." In other words, non-Jewish men are all regarded as = homosexuals and=20 non-Jewish women are all regarded as prostitutes.

Furthermore, according to Rabbi Simcha Cohen, if a Jewish woman = marries a=20 Gentile man, she becomes a zona, that is to say, a prostitute. = Rabbi=20 Cohen:

"...marriage to a Gentile can never be sanctified or condoned, such a = liason=20 classifies the woman as a zona...common parlance interprets the = term=20 zona to refer to a prostitute..."

This is qualified by Talmudic authorities in that a Jewish woman = would not be=20 called a zona who conducted a prostitution service exclusively = with=20 Jewish men: "Indeed, premarital sex of a Jewish woman to a Jewish = man=20 does not automatically brand the woman a zona..." A Jewish woman = becomes=20 a prostitute or zona in the eyes of the Talmud only when she = marries or=20 otherwise has sexual relations with a non-Jew. (Jewish Press, = Feb. 19,=20 1988, p. 8C).

The Talmudic view of non-Jewish women as prostitutes is widespread = among=20 Jews. The Yiddish word for a Gentile woman is shiksa, which means = whore,=20 >from the Hebrew root word, sheigetz ("abomination"). The Yiddish = word for=20 Gentile girls is shikselke, meaning "little female abomination." = (Chaim=20 Bermant, "Some Carefully and Carelessly Chosen Words, Jewish = Chronicle,=20 May 17, 1991).

These unlovely racist-Jewish appellations have been transliterated = into=20 English slang in American popular culture in the use of the word bimbo = ("stupid=20 whore") as an insulting description of good-looking, blonde White women. = A=20 classic example of the Jewish hatred of such women was exhibited by Lisa = Schwarzbaum in her essay entitled "Blonde Ambition," which was published = in the=20 NY Daily News:

 "The garden-variety bimbo of today is a woman who is = inescapably=20 blonde, inevitably busty and invariably about as intellectual as a=20 Cheez-Doodle...She beams her 40-watt brilliance...She's called Jessica = or Donna=20 or Marla, and she comes to our attention because she has been spotted in = a motel=20 room with a televangelist...City women swear we wouldn't want to trade = our=20 higher consciousness for their low wattage. We bemoan their unfeminist = feminine=20 wiles." (NY Daily News, May 27, 1990).

Could it possibly be inferred from Miz Schwarzbaum's writing that she = is=20 guilty of the "group libel" of Gentile women? Imagine the howls of = condemnation=20 and the cries for imprisonment were a White Christian woman to pen an = article=20 entitled, "Jewish Feminist Ambition."

The bimbo insult, like so many other racist Jewish epithets, has been = picked=20 up by the heartland and the mainstream and resounds through small town = America=20 as a self-hating put-down used by Gentile women against other Gentile = women. The=20 racist nature of this insult isn't even glimpsed, nor does any = "anti-racist"=20 campaigner trace its origin in the depths of instiutionalized Jewish = contempt=20 for Gentile women.

With regard to the "Who is a Jew" debate, it is officially stated in = the=20 Establishment media, that any Gentile, if sincerely converted to Judaism = under=20 the auspices of properly constituted orthodox rabbinic authority, = becomes a Jew.=20 However this is by no means the unanimous view of the rabbis themselves = or of=20 the Talmud. In fact, the Talmud decrees that "...a Gentile can obtain = some=20 rights when he is powerful and especially when he poses a threat to = Jews."=20 (Israel Shahak, Ha'aretz. April 5, 1990).

At present, the Israeil state is dependent upon the good will of the = Gentiles=20 of the West for financial support, military aid and cooperation in = propagating=20 Israeli versions of current events and history. Therefore, at present, = Gentiles=20 are accepted as Jews if they convert, have the proper sincerity and are = examined=20 and received by the strict orthodox rabbis. To do otherwise would be to = reveal=20 that Judaism is a religion of self-worship (the Jewish race is itself = god),=20 based upon the notion of Jews being the Master Race.

For those who search the Jewish scriptures, an inner teaching on the = status=20 of Gentile converts to Judaism is revealed, a teaching which awaits = enforcement=20 at a later date, when Jews are all-powerful, but which points to a = mentality of=20 clandestine contempt orthodox Jews have toward converts to Judaism.

Hence Rabbi Helbo in the Talmud passage T.B. Yebamos 109b states, = "Proselytes=20 are hurtful to Israel and a sore on the skin." (For confirmation of this = passage, see Rabbi Sammuel Turk, Jewish Press, Feb. 19, 1988, p. = 10). A=20 further indication of the true status of the Gentile convert to Judaism = can be=20 found in the fact that the marriage of a Jewish priest to a Gentile = convert is=20 prohibited (Simcha Cohen, Jewish Press, Feb. 19, 1988, p. = 10a).

More ominous is the statement of the pre-eminent Jewish rabbi of = antiquity,=20 Shimon Ben Yohai, to whom the Jewish holiday of Lag B'omer is dedicated. = Rabbi=20 Yohai stated, "Even the best of the Gentiles should all be killed." = (Isidore=20 Singer, "Gentiles,"Funk and Wagnalls Jewish Encyclopedia, p. 617, = 1907=20 edition; also cf. Talmud-Minor Tractates, Soferim 15, Rule 10).

Assuming that the "best of the Gentiles," in Jewish eyes would be = those who=20 seek to become Jews, one can suppose that Rabbi Yohai's statement will = at some=20 future date warrant the elimination of those Gentiles in the Israeli = ranks who=20 carry the label of convert. Though the pre-eminent Jewish law = interpreter of=20 antiquity has commanded their death, permission to delay or counteract = Jewish=20 law is given where Gentiles are still in a position to create a danger = for=20 Jews.

In discussing the Talmudic prohibition of giving food cooked = specifically for=20 Jews to either "Gentiles or dogs," an exception is allowed: "...the Jews = were=20 permitted in some cases to serve Gentiles food cooked only for Jews. For = example, permission was given in a case where a Gentile might feel = insulted=20 enough to cause a danger to Jews." (Israel Shahak, Ha'aretz, = April 5,=20 1990).

That contempt for converts is widespread, if seldom remarked upon in = the=20 controlled, secular media. In the Ask-the-Jewish-Lawyer column of the=20 Canadian Jewish News, a Jewish mother whose son married a German = woman=20 who converted to Judaism wrote the following:

"We never wanted her as our in-law. She cannot give us = "naches" (the=20 feeling you get when your one-year-old starts hobbling for the first = time),=20 being of a heritage that we do not respect as my husband is a Holocaust=20 survivor. We do not consider her conversion to Judaism valid. I told my = son I=20 forbid this marital union. I would like to have his name erased from our = family=20 name. How can we do this? We are preparing a will. Will one dollar for = him be=20 enough...?"

Attorney John Syrtash replied as follows: "...technically you do not = have to=20 leave him anything in your will as a matter of law. However, as a = precaution I=20 would put a nominal $500 in the will, along with an express statement in = the=20 will explaining why the amount is so low as it is, drafted concisely and = without=20 reference to your ethnic prejudices...If you are sufficiently paranoid = you may=20 even obtain a letter from a qualified psychiatrist when revising your = will to=20 state that at the time you signed it you were clear-headed and knew = exactly what=20 you were doing." ("A Lawyer Replies," Canadian Jewish News, Nov. = 23,=20 1989, p. 12).

The reference to "sufficient paranoia" is apposite as we wade further = into=20 the mad-house of Jewish law and the Jewish mentality it has bred.

One of the big areas of concentration in yeshiva schools = (Talmud=20 seminaries) is the lofty subject of the women's mentrual flow. This = august topic=20 featured prominently in one Talmud class as reported by the Los = Angeles=20 Times: "The Talmudic lesson last Monday was on distinguishing = menstrual=20 blood stains on a woman's garment from blood spots possibly caused by = other=20 sources." The Times states that it is important for rabbis to be = able to=20 distinguish menstrual blood stains on women's clothing from "...visible = blood=20 stains...caused by lice, bed bugs or blood spattered in a butcher shop." = (John=20 Dart, "Jewish Scholars Mark 7-Year Study Cycle, L.A. Times, April = 28,=20 1990, p.F15).

The Jewess Evelyn Kaye states: "In the code of Jewish law...there are = 85=20 pages of rules, regulations and interpretations covering every minute = aspect of=20 the menstrual cycle...The rabbis drew up a series of definitions for = 'Regular=20 Periods'...'Irregular periods,' which they divide up into Lunar cycles,=20 Same-Interval cycles and 30 Day Cycles." (The Hole in the = Sheet).

This fascination with morbid blood is evidenced in the Jewish infant=20 circumcision ritual or bris in the course of which blood from the = lacerated penis is sucked through a glass tube by a mohel (rabbi = who=20 specializes in circumcisions) in an act known as metzitza. = According to=20 the rule of the Shulchan Aruch (the codification of the Talmudic=20 Mishnah), any mohel who dispenses with the blood-sucking = must be=20 "removed from his post." Using a surgical clamp to prevent bleeding also = renders=20 a bris "null and void." According to the Talmud there must be = some=20 bleeding resulting from the bris. "Using a clamp to prevent = bleeding=20 defeats one of the purposes of the ritual and makes it invalid." (Cf. = "Doctor=20 Challenges Female Mohel's Status," Canadian Jewish News, Jan. 21, = 1993,=20 p. 31).

Israel Shahak talks about the "shock"that is "bound to occur" if = people=20 actually "find out the truth...about...Judaism...what Judaism was really = like=20 when Jews were governed by that Halacha" ("the correct path," i.e = as=20 prescribed in the Talmud).

Shahak states: "As to the concept of 'saving souls,' (piku'ach = nefesh)=20 the Talmudic literature makes it clear to anyone who reads it, even = cursorily,=20 that this concept is inapplicable to Gentiles. In principle it is = forbidden for=20 Jews, including Jewish doctors, to save the life of a Gentile, for what = we could=20 call humanitarian reasons. Saving the life of a Gentile and thereby = violating=20 the Sabbath is even more strictly forbidden. However, in the case of = 'saving the=20 soul' of a Jew, such violation of the Sabbath is not only mandatory it = is=20 counted as a good deed...There have been endless Halachic debates, which = still=20 continue today, on whether 'soul saving' should apply only to Jews or = whether=20 Jewish fear of Gentiles and their enmity should result in a dispensation = to save=20 Gentile lives...In Israel a few years ago, the Haredi 'experts' for such = matters=20 ruled that a Jewish doctor, when he is afraid that the authorities of = any state=20 may revoke his license if he refuses to treat Gentiles...can obtain a=20 dispensation, provided that during the treatment he thinks about the=20 dispensation rather than about the treatment itself." (Israel Shahak, = "The=20 Status of the Gentile in Jewish Religious Law and Israeli Politics,"=20 Ha'aretz, April 5, 1990).

Prof. Shahak illuminates a central underlying tenet of Judaism: that = it does=20 not express its overwhelming hostility to the non-Jewish world where it = lacks=20 the political and military might to do so, but once it possesses that = might, it=20 shall move swiftly against the Gentiles: "...according to Halacha a = Gentile does=20 not possess any self-evident rights vis-a-vis a Jew. A Gentile can = obtain some=20 rights when he is powerful and especially when he poses a threat to = Jews. The=20 more a Gentile threatens Jewish lives, the more Halachic rights he will = be=20 granted.

"It therefore becomes clear that...if the Arabs do not have chemical = weapons,=20 if their armies become weaker, and if the Intifada (Palestinian = uprising) is=20 crushed, Halacha will not only prohibit any retreat from the = territories, but it=20 will also prescribe the beginning of the expulsion of the Gentiles, = especially=20 of the Christians, along with the destruction of their churches. If a = miracle=20 happens and...Israeli influence in the U.S. increases a thousand-fold, = the=20 Halacha will compel us to expel all Gentiles not only from all of = Palestine but=20 also from 'all places which we shall conquer..." (Israel Shahak, op. = cit.).

Jewish scholar Shahak gives the Talmudic teaching on Christianity and = how it=20 is to be treated when Jews are strong: "...the churches of the = Christians in=20 Palestine...are places of idolatry. Conversely we are obliged by our = religion=20 (Torah) to destroy all idolatry and idol worshippers and to pursue it = until we=20 obliterate it from all of our country and from all the places which we = conquer."=20 (Shahak, op. cit.).

The words of Israeli Talmud scholar Israel Shahak, first published in = the=20 Israeli national newspaper Ha'aretz, will come as news to most=20 non-Jews.

Let us tread further down the path of Jewish hatred for non-Jews. = Here is the=20 late Rabbi Meir Kahane advocating in 1990 the mass destruction of the = German=20 people: "When it comes to the Amalek of our times, Germany, there is an = on-going=20 war, a never-ending war, a war for generations...There can never be = forgiveness=20 or contact or relations or anything to do with them. They are beyond the = pale=20 and daily, the Jew must pray for the ultimate destruction of a German = people=20 that never received an iota of the punishment they deserved...If the = Almighty=20 ever allows me to become Prime Minister of Israel...there will be = nothing but an=20 Amalek whose memory we will blot out as much as possible until the great = day=20 when the Almighty finishes the mitzvah of vengeance." (Rabbi Meir = Kahane,=20 "Halachic Overview," The Jewish Press, Oct. 12, 1990, p. 49).

In March of l986, the Israeli army's chief chaplain on the occupied = West=20 Bank, Rabbi Shmuel Derlich, distributed a 1,000 word pastoral letter to = Jewish=20 soldiers calling for the total extermination of Amalek. "Derlich wrote = that it=20 is the duty of 'a king in Israel...to eradicate Amalek without leaving = any=20 trace...one must show no pity for any creature from the nation of = Amalek--man,=20 woman, child...There is no doubt that in the last generation we met the=20 Amalekite enemy...in the form of the German nation,' he wrote." = Jerusalem=20 Post, May 17, 1986.

Harvard University's Jewish professor of law, Alan Dershowitz, who = was cited=20 earlier lying about revisionist Bradley R. Smith, in his book, = Chutzpah,=20 stated, "The rebuilding of postwar Germany into one of the world's = most=20 affluent nations is a moral disgrace. A minimal appropriate response to = the=20 collective responsibility of the German people for the crimes of their=20 leaders...should have been a generation of poverty."

Janet DeLynn (a.k.a. DeLynnski): "...I am glad Israel has the atomic = bomb,=20 and the continued existence of Israel is the only cause for which I = consider it=20 justifiable to use nuclear weapons...maybe we could have tried the = A-bomb on=20 Germany rather than Japan...What practically speaking, can one do with a = nation=20 (Germany) in which virtually everyone over the age of ten, twelve, = fifteen...was=20 either a participant in or accessory to murder?" (Testimony: = Contemporary=20 Writers Make the Holocaust Personal, p. 65, quoted in = Instauration,=20 May, 1990, pp. 20-21).

"Rabbi Charles Rosenzweig of West Bloomfield, Michigan, stated that=20 'Germany's guilt is absolute' and that forgiveness 'is not possible." = Dov=20 Shilansky, Speaker of the Israeli Knesset, said that 'Even in a thousand = years,=20 the shame of Germany will not be erased." (Liberty, July, 1990, = p.=20 14).

"I had avoided Germany because I did not choose to try to keep a = civil tongue=20 or civil face among those I felt would have stood by while my children = and I=20 were murdered...And I felt I knew all I cared to know then about German = history=20 and the German soul. On both, every Jew is a specialist." (A.M. = Rosenthal,=20 Press-Enterprise, [Riverside, Calif.], April 27, 1990. Mr. = Rosenthal is=20 the former managing editor of the N.Y. Times).

"In history, Germany was not the only criminal nation, just the most = vile."=20 (A.M. Rosenthal, "Our German Business," N.Y. Times, September 22, = 1992,=20 p.27).

"One of those rankling questions is why is it that Germany, which = visited=20 upon the whole world, and especially upon the Jewish world--an = unprecedented=20 hell of war, barbarism and assembly-line killing of millions of Jews, = should=20 have turned out to be a prosperous, powerful and even prestigious = country. We=20 wonder why in heaven's name, this country of savage murderers = should have=20 risen from the ashes of defeat to become a land of tranquility with a = standard=20 of living far above those countries which sacrificed the flower of their = youth=20 to stop the Germans from enslaving the entire world." (Rabbi David B. = Hollander,=20 "The Torah," Jewish Press, December 8, 1989).

"Germans are an abomination to me. I'm glad Dresden was bombed for no = useful=20 military purpose." (Mordecai Richler, Vancouver Sun, Sept. 13, = 1966).

"The two greatest evils of this century...both came out of = Germany...Arrogant=20 overstatement is another endearing German trait." (Don Feder, = Conservative=20 Jewish columnist, Gazette Telegraph [Colorado Springs, Colorado], = April=20 26, 1989.

"Let Austria decide whether it is a civilized country or the dirty=20 anti-semitic dogs that they have so far been." (Edgar Bronfman, = President, World=20 Jewish Congress, Globe and Mail, May 8, 1989.

The world will be saved, "...if the world were to acknowledge its = collective=20 guilt against the Jewish people." (Moshe Holczler, "Open Your Eyes, = World,"=20 The Jewish Press, Nov. 23, 1990, p. 12).

"Hostility toward non-Jews has along history in the Jewish = world...It's no=20 secret that Jews disparage non-Jews behind their backs. Some Jews brag = about=20 tricking them in business, others shun them socially. The Yiddish phrase = goyishe kup (a non-Jewish head), indicates someone stupid or = foolish. In=20 Jewish literature, the non-Jew is often portrayed as someone who is=20 untrustworthy, dangerous or hateful." (Michael Lerner, Utne Reader,=20 Jan./Feb. 1991).

Imagine that a former mental patient, who now heads the Texas Ku Klux = Klan,=20 is driving through the Black ghetto in Houston with his grandchildren = and rocks=20 are thrown at his car by Black demonstrators. The Ku Kluxer immediately = stops=20 his car, hops out and indiscriminately opens fire with an automatic = pistol,=20 missing the Blacks who threw the rocks and killing a Black shopkeeper = who had=20 nothing to do with the incident while also wounding one of his Black = customers.=20 The Klan leader then walks through the Black ghetto firing his weapon, = kicking=20 at debris and shouting "Nigger."

What would have been the reaction of the U.S. and international media = to such=20 a case? What would be the Klansman's well-deserved sentence? 300 years = in=20 prison? 500 years? Death by lethal injection?

A case equivalent to this happened in the Israeli state.

Moshe Levinger, a Jew who spent "some of his youth" in a Swiss = psychiatric=20 facility, is the head of the Gush Emunim, a Zionist settler group = which=20 believes that Arabs "are dogs" and that Palestinian land must be taken = by force=20 of arms.

On Sept. 30, 1988, Rabbi Levinger was driving through the Palestinian = village=20 of Hebron when his car was hit by stones. "...according to numerous = witnesses,=20 Levinger parked his car from harm's way and then walked determinedly = toward the=20 demonstrators, firing his pistol indiscriminately. Ibrahim Bali, an Arab = textile=20 salesman was buying new shoes for his daughter when he heard the = shooting. He=20 was standing outside a shop when a bullet tore through his shoulder. A = bullet=20 also ripped into the chest of Khayed Salah, who was about to close the = metal=20 shutters of his shoe store. The Israeli Army company commander who = witnessed the=20 shooting said that after the rabbi fired his weapon, he walked down the = road=20 screaming, 'You're dogs,' at Arab vendors, kicking over vegetable crates = and=20 flower containers..." (Robert I. Friedman, Zealots for Zion, pp. = 23, 29,=20 37-38).

He was sentenced to serve five months in prison and was honored at a=20 celebration prior to beginning his sentence which was attended by = well-wishers=20 including Israeli General Yitzhak Mordecai, military commander of the = West Bank=20 as well as the President of Israel, Chaim Herzog. A religious ruling on = Rabbi=20 Levinger's attack was prepared by Rabbi Moshe Neriya and published in = the=20 national Israeli newspaper Ha'aretz of May 13, 1989, in which the = rabbi=20 ruled that every Jew has the duty "to shoot [Arabs] left and right = without=20 thinking and without hesitating."

Rabbi Moshe Levinger was released from prison after serving two and = one-half=20 months of his sentence. The sentence reflected the religious opinion of = Rabbi=20 Yitzhak Ginsburg, who has offered "justification for the view that the = spilling=20 of non-Jewish blood was a lesser offense than the spilling of Jewish = blood. 'Any=20 trial based on the assumption that Jews and goyim are equal, is a total = travesty=20 of justice,' he said. (N.Y. Times, June 6, 1989, p. 5).

Has the reader even heard of Rabbi Levinger much less what he did or = the ten=20 weeks he spent in jail for the murder of a Palstinian bystander?

In July of 1983, Levinger's son-in-law and other members of the = Zionist=20 Makhteret (Underground), described as "the most violent anti-Arab = terrorist organization since the birth of the Jewish state...burst into = the=20 courtyard of the Islamic College in Hebron during a noon lunch break, = tossing a=20 grenade and spraying machine gun fire. Three Palestinian students were = killed=20 and thirty-three injured. 'Whoever did this,' declared Rabbi Levinger, = 'has=20 sanctified God's name in public."

In May of 1990, 21 year old Israeli Amri Popper walked to the Rishon = le Zion=20 market where Palestinian day laborers awaited work. Popper opened fire = on them=20 with an assault rifle, killing seven men and wounding ten. Israeli = motorists got=20 out of their cars and danced the hora among the carnage. As the=20 Palestinians bled to death, one dancing Jew asked, "What, only seven = dead?"

The Israeli army subsequently shot to death seven more Palestinians = on the=20 same day and wounded several hundred more.

"There is no doubt that the Rishon le Zion gunman acted within a = society in=20 which the norm exists that Arab life is cheap...treating Levinger like a = hero=20 have created this norm..." (L.A. Times, May 23, 1990, p. 4).

On October 8, 1990, the first day of Sukkoth, the Jewish feast = of=20 booths, the Israeli army opened fire on a crowd of Palestinians at the = Temple=20 Mount in Jerusalem, killing 17 and wounding 150. At first the Sukkoth = Day=20 Massacre was presented by Israeli spokesman as the result of a vicious = Arab=20 stoning ofJewish pilgrims at the Western or "Wailing" wall. "In order to = blunt=20 criticism of the Temple Mount shooting..the Shamir government launched = an=20 obstreperous public-relations campaign against U.S. media's 'biased' = coverage of=20 Israel. It's a time-honored strategy in Israel, where many government = officials=20 have come to believe that a problem hasn't been invented that a little=20 hasbara, or propaganda can't fix....The Jewish community's strong = response seemed to intimidate the media, which, with few exceptions, = followed=20 Israel's interpretation of events. After the initial flurry of press = coverage,=20 the story seemed to die..." (Friedman, op. cit., p. 132).

17 Palestinian civilians had been shot to death by the Israeli army = and=20 police. The victims were blamed, even though no Jews were injured by any = mass=20 "rock-throwing" as Israeli magistrate Ezra Kama would admit in July, = 1991. The=20 official government view became the media's view. "The story seemed to = die." The=20 hasbara was having its effect as predicted.

What if 17 Jewish civilians had been shot to death by an Arab = government,=20 would the mdia accept the official Arab version as their own? After an = initial=20 flurry would the story have been left to die or would it have been made = into the=20 Movie of the Week from the Jewish victims' point of view?

As it turned out, to his credit, 60 Minutes' TV reporter Mike = Wallace=20 investigated the case and produced a truthful national network program = on the=20 atrocity the Jews committed. Wallace documented that the Israeli = massacre of the=20 Palestinians was an unprovoked, brutal crime.

"60 Minutes was also inundated with complaints from mainstream = American Jewish organizations and powerful, pro-Israel supporters. At a = New York=20 dinner party, 60 Minutes executive producer Don Hewitt got into a = shouting match with ABC television's Barbara Walters, the real estate = developer=20 and publisher of U.S. News and World Report Mortimer Zuckerman = and Mort=20 Janklow, a literary agent, over the Temple Mount segment...A furious CBS = chairman Laurence Tisch summoned Hewitt and Wallace...Tisch is an = influential=20 figure in the New York United Jewish Appeal-Federation ...Tisch felt the = piece=20 was unfair...(and) required more background reporting." (Friedman, op. = cit., p.=20 133).

Rehavam Ze'evi, member of the Israeli Knesset stated, "Every Jew is = worth a=20 thousand Arabs." (Al-Fajr, Nov. 6, 1989, p. 15).

"...Prof. Dan Scheuftan of the Hebrew University told a Nov. 13 = Jewish=20 Student Federation Lecture on the chances for Middle East peace, that = all Arabs=20 are violent and all Arabs want to poison baby Jews." (Canadian Jewish = News,=20 Nov. 28, 1991, p. 38).

"Commercial Hebrew children's literature published in Israel provides = a=20 portrayal of the Arab character that is a reflection of Zionist = perceptions of=20 Arabs in general, and Palestinians in particular. Such a portrayal of = Arabs has=20 not been limited to Israeli Jews alone but has also been transmitted to = and=20 accepted by, a large segment of world Jewry and international public = opinion,=20 especially in the West. As a colonial settler movement, Zionism realized = the=20 importance of portraying the Arab character in a negative light and of=20 depreciating Arab rights in order to justify Zionist actions in = Palestine...

"The characteristic image of Arabs in commercial Hebrew children's = literature=20 is a grim one. The Arab appears as a criminal...Arabs are also depicted = as=20 thieves, stealing because theft is part of their nature, especially from = Jews=20 because of 'envy.' Arabs are also shown as swindlers...Arabs are = base...Arabs=20 are cowards...Arabs are idiots...Arabs prefer that non-Arabs tell them = what to=20 do. Arabs are liars whose word cannot be trusted and whose promises = should not=20 be taken seriously. Arabs are dirty in mind...

"There are several reasons for this negative portrayal of Arabs. = First is the=20 need to eliminate any respect for Arabs among Jews...Eradicating respect = also=20 dehumanizes, thereby rendering acceptable whatever befalls the = dehumanized=20 party, including exile, dispossession or even death." (F.E. Asmar, = "Israeli=20 Children Imbibe Racism," Guardian Special Edition, Spring, 1987, = p.=20 21).

"Forty percent of Israeli Jewish high school pupils hate all, or = almost all,=20 Arabs, according to the first comprehensive survey conducted since the = outbreak=20 ofthe intifada...

"The present survey--completed over a period of two years--was = conducted by=20 Ofra Meizels, Reuven Gal and Eli Fishof of the Israeli Center for = Military=20 Studies in Zichron Ya'acov. In a country-wide poll, the researchers = interviewed=20 5,400 pupils attending grades 10, 11 and 12 in state-secular and = state-religious=20 schools." ("40% of Israeli Youth Hate Most Arabs," Canadian Jewish = News,=20 August 17, 1989, p. 5).

The hatred of the Arabs does not raise the human rights hackles of = the=20 liberal and conservative Gentile apologists for Zionism because this = hatred is=20 supposedly a justifiable reaction on the part of Jews to Arab=20 terrorism.

By the same token, Jewish hatred for Christianity and Jesus Christ = are=20 excused on the basis of what the Christians have done to the Jews, = making hatred=20 of Christians permissible. One of the many confirmed anti-Christian = bigots among=20 the Jews is the writer Hyam Maccoby. His book falsifying the Gospels, = Judas=20 Iscariot and the Myth of Jewish Evil, is an excellent example of = venomous=20 hatred of Christians presented under the guise of promoting the welfare = of the=20 Jews. It seems that under this shibboleth, waved like the proverbial = magic wand=20 before the eyes of Gentiles, the most vitriolic anti-Christian prejudice = is=20 summoned up without protest from the target peoples. By this clever = Jewish=20 technique, "fighting racism" is invoked in order to spread racist hatred = for=20 Christians and Palestinians.

In Maccoby's book the existence of the Jewish Judas and his act of = betrayal,=20 for which Christ said it would have been better had Judas never been = born, is=20 denied. According to Maccoby, the whole Judas episode was a Christian = plot=20 concocted out of thin air in order to defame the Jews.

Paul Johnson, writing in the London Sunday Telegraph (Feb. 23, = 1992)=20 states that Maccoby's book is not so much scholarly as an anti-Christian = polemic=20 and that, "...the book betrays a certain paranoid attitude to = Christianity...the=20 book is not an open-minded inquiry into the reality of Judas. On the = contrary it=20 starts with a conclusion and then proceeds to amass the evidence to = justify it.=20 This leads him into all kinds of difficulties, notably in disposing of = the name=20 'Iscariot,' where he is at his least plausible. It also obliges him to = predicate=20 that the Evangelists and the writer of Acts, were constantly engaged in=20 unscrupulous propagandist inventions for base politico-ecclesiastical = purposes.=20 On other occasions however, when their evidence happens to fit in with = his=20 theory, they are reliable sources...Maccoby, in short, is too = obsessed...to=20 write an objective account of Judas."

In the Jewish mentality, opposing the stereotype of Judas as a = cardboard "Jew=20 devil," even to the extent of denying he existed, and attributing the = accounts=20 of his treachery to "propagandist inventions" by the Church, is a worthy = and=20 necessary endeavor on the part of Jewish writers.

However, when Christians truthfully attempt to wade through the wild = tales=20 and exaggerations which attend the so-called "genocide" of Jews in World = War=20 Two, because they see in such exaggerations, the unmistakeable outline = of a=20 cardboard "Christian devil" being mounted by Zionist propaganda, such an = endeavor raises a howl of protest from Jews and dark intimations about = the=20 motives of those who would seek to correct the record and defend = Christianity=20 >from libel.

Thus the equation is submitted to the old Jewish insistence on = special=20 privileges and status above mankind. They, the Master Race, have the = right to=20 investigate historical stories, like the tale of Judas, which create = legends of=20 Jewish deviltry. But for the mere goyim to do the same, to dare to = investigate=20 Jewish tales which foment legends of Christian deviltry--this becomes an = unpardonable sin against the majesty of Jewish omniscience, = infallibility and=20 suzerainty.

In a similar manner the Jews have created for themselves a license to = agitate=20 for Jewish racial purity and apartheid for Palestinians, at a time in = the modern=20 era when talk of race purity and racial separation are grounds for = imprisonment=20 in Britian, France and Germany and expulsion from the politically = correct=20 universities of America. It is only to the Jewish Master Race that such = racial=20 concerns are licensed and legitimated.

For example, mainstream Jewish groups regularly run advertisements in = national liberal newspapers such as the NY Times and in their own = religious Jewish publications calling for Jewish racial purity.

In the December, 1989 Jewish Chronicle a large ad appears, = placed by=20 the "Jewish Seminar Movement" (Chofetz Chayim Torah). The text of = the ad=20 asks, "An Urgent Call to World Jewry...Do you realize we are in dire = danger of=20 losing millions of precious Jewish souls through intermarriage?...That = the=20 children of intermarriage grow up with complexes and confusion? If you = or your=20 friends are on the verge of internarriage, we plead with you, do not = allow a=20 temporary infatuation to ruin your life, the lives of your dear children = and=20 help to destroy our cherished and beloved Jewish people."

Imagine if a White heritage group, distressed over the demographic = fact that=20 only one in twenty-six of the world's people are White, were to take out = national ads arguing against Whites "inter-marrying" with other races, = thereby=20 "helping to destroy our cherished and belowed White race." The outrage, = the=20 weeping, wailing and gnashing of teeth would resound from the editorial = pages of=20 the Hoboken Cornstalk Trombone to the halls of the United Nations and = media=20 sattelites circling the globe in outer space. Leading the attack would = be=20 "Jewish service and humanitarian groups," because Jews reserve to = themselves=20 alone the right to racial purity and racial separation.

Jeffrey Kwintner, a Jew, writing in the Jewish Chronicle of = Dec. 29,=20 1989 says: "...Jews are the only exception. They were destined to be = unique. The=20 concept of racial purity within the Jewish nation is not a myth...The = only facts=20 to determine Jewishness should be purely an hereditary one regardles of = Jewish=20 observance. A Jew is someone from Jewish stock. No one can make a = gentile=20 Jewish...We must retain our own exclusivity in order to survive and not = be=20 infiltrated by outsiders..."

When the Aryan Nations group established a headquaters in the Idaho = panhandle=20 and announced that they intended it as a base for creating a separate = nation for=20 Whites in the Pacific Northwest, they were denounced universally in the=20 Establishment media, schools and courts as foul hatemongers and racists. = Yet the=20 option of racial separation for Jews is perfectly acceptable to such = liberal=20 organs as the NY Times. A headline in the NY Times of Dec. = 10,=20 1990, p. 6, illustrates this: "More Jews in Israel Agreeing With = Palestinians=20 That Separation Is the Only Solution." The article quotes Minister of = Defense=20 Yitzhak Rabin as saying, "We must now recognize the fact that = coexistence with=20 the Palestinian population of the territories in one political framework = has no=20 chance. The only chance is through the solution of separation..."

No such solution or separation is permitted White Christians in = America=20 however. Any talk of disparate peoples being unable to "coexist" in one=20 political framework in the U.S. is grounds for prosecution by the U.S. = Justice=20 Department, which is exactly what the Federal government under Ronald = Reagan did=20 in 1987 to Louis R. Beam, Jr. Mr. Beam, a former Vietnam helicopter = gunner, was=20 placed on the FBI's "Ten Most Wanted" list on charges of "sedition," = solely=20 based on his writings and speeches calling for a separate White enclave = in=20 America. (He was acquitted of the charge by a working class jury of his = peers in=20 Ft. Smith, Arkansas).

The grandiose vision of the Jewish race with its special immunities,=20 privileges and rights was articulated by President Ronald Reagan in a = memorable=20 passage from his 1988 speech to dedicate the cornerstone of the U.S.=20 taypayer-financed, U.S. Holocaust Museum, then under construction in = Washington,=20 D.C. In his speech, which was actually written by a Jew, John Podhoretz, = son of=20 the fanatical Zionist Norman Podhoretz (cf. Washington Jewish = Week, Oct.=20 13, 1988), President Reagan made the following incredible statement, = "And we=20 must make sure that when the tall towers of our greatest cities have = crumbled to=20 dust in the turnings of time, the Jewish people will still be on this = earth to=20 cast their blessings..."

In other words, while the decline of our American cities is = inevitable, the=20 decline of the Jews is not. Those who have hastened the decline of our = Republic=20 and who curse non-Jews in the texts of their Talmudic books daily and = routinely,=20 will be around to pick up the pieces long after all else is in = ruins.

For the babysitter of Bonzo the Chimp and his constituency of "Reagan = Republicans" and "Reagan Democrats," this is a prophecy to be celebrated = and=20 applauded.

The Jew Samuel Gringauz, writing in the January, 1950 issue of = Jewish=20 Social Studies, referred to the personal, "eyewitness" testimony of = Jews=20 concerning the events of World War Two, as "full of preposterous = verbosity,=20 exaggeration, dramatic effects...unchecked rumors, bias..."

Historian Gerald Reitlinger, author of a standard reference work on = what is=20 termed the "Holocaust," states in his book The Final Solution, = "...the=20 Eastern European Jew is a natural rhetorician speaking in flowery=20 similes...sometimes the imagery transcends credibility."

Lying as an Institution

Lying to Gentiles is institutionalized within the Jewish religion in = the=20 Kol Nidre rite, when all oaths that were broken in the preceding = year,=20 are rendered null and void.

Let us examine a few of the testimonies of the Jews who claim to have = lived=20 through World War Two and who are labeled by the instrument of Orwellian = Newspeak as "Survivors of The Holocaust."

In an "Op Ed" piece in the Los Angeles Times, April 30, 1981, = part II,=20 p. 11 a Jewess named Rachel Patron writes an essay devoted entirely to = the theme=20 of the most horrifying scene she observed during the war: bars of soap = made from=20 "the fat of dead Jews." The article is accompanied by a drawing of a = little girl=20 who has scooped nearly a dozen bars of such soap in her apron. Patron=20 writes:

"Mama, Mama, look what I found!' I cried as I ran across the tracks, = holding=20 on to the bottom of my skirt, which I'd filled with bars of soap...My = mother and=20 I stood in front of the open door, she turning the bar of soap over and = over in=20 her hand, while both of mine clutched the skirt holding my treasure. = Suddenly=20 mother's face turned ashen and her eyes opened wide with fear, as if = locked on=20 the sight of a terrible monster coming to devour her. She said nothing = but her=20 fear communicated itself to me and I began screaming, 'Mama, Mama, what=20 happened? What's wrong?'

"She still said nothing. I thought she couldn't hear me......I = started to=20 tremble and then I screamed as loudly as I could and stomped my feet=20 hysterically because I was terribly frightened and I didn't know why. So = she had=20 to tell me; not knowing would do me even more harm.

"Grasping me by the shoulders, she said, 'R.J.F. means Rein = Judisch Fett!'=20 She said it in German, but I understood; it sounds the same in = Yiddish: Pure=20 Jewish Fat.

"I let go of the bottom of my dress and all the soap came crashing to = the=20 floor, many of the bars chipping and losing their smooth surface. I bent = down=20 and started throwing them out of the train, one by one, looking down to = see them=20 crushed between the sharp wheels and the steel rails. And all the time = tears=20 were rolling out of my eyes..."

This is a certainly a very heart-rending story, a bit sensational and = sentimental perhaps, but one of the thousands of tales of German perfidy = retailed in the mass media including such august Establishment organs as = the=20 L.A. Times. Each story serves to illustrate that "terrible = monster" the=20 Germans and the civilization from which they came. Certainly L.A. = Times=20 readers thought that the story had been thoroughly checked by the = editors=20 before it was published so prominently and in so great a paper as the = Times.=20 While Jews object to the portrayal of Judas as a Jewish devil, no = one has=20 the right to object to this stirring and sad portrayal of the work of = the German=20 devil.

There is only one problem with the many "Jewish survivor" stories = about bars=20 of soap from Jewish fat: Jewish historians themselves admit that this = was Allied=20 atrocity propaganda and that it never happened.

In World War One the same idiotic story was told about the Germans by = the=20 Allies only in that case the claim was made that Germans made the soap = >from the=20 bodies of British soldiers.

One cannot lay culpability for such war-time yarns at the door of the = Jew=20 alone for virtually every war in history has produced wild exaggerations = about=20 enemy forces which kings, generals and politicians have sought to = exploit in=20 order to excite their populations to greater sacrifices and martial = frenzy.

During the French revolution Robespierre was accused of eating the = roasted=20 flesh of priests and of creating a tannery for human skin for making = shoes for=20 the sansculottes. (Le Blond de Neuveglise [probably a pseudonym = of the=20 Abbe Proyart], La vie et les crimes de Maximilien Robespierre, p. = 279).

Robespierre in turn manufactured atrocity propaganda against = LaFayette: "In=20 Robespierre's private war against LaFayette, he ofen used wild = exaggeration. He=20 inflated the Champ de Mars casualties to 1,500 and repeated atrocity = stories of=20 children in Brabant being slaughtered in their mother's wombs by = LaFayette's=20 soldiers and carried on the ends of bayonets." (David P. Jordan, The=20 Revolutionary Career of Maximillien Robespierre, p. 89).

What makes the Second World War different is that it is the first war = in=20 which, after it was concluded, the atrocity propaganda was not = discredited, but=20 was in fact escalated. Hence in 1981 the prestigious L.A. Times = devoted a=20 large part of its editorial page to a lunatic bar of soap hoax cooked up = by the=20 Allies 35 years before. The "bars of soap from Jewish fat" tale = continues to=20 make the rounds of films, books, classrooms and newspapers, the better = to=20 permanently stigmatize the German people and the Christian civilization = of=20 Europe as monstrous evil.

"Professor Yehuda Bauer, head of the Hebrew Univserity's Holocaust = history=20 department and regarded as one of the foremost researchers of the = Holocsaust,=20 has denied the frequently quoted charge that the Nazis used the bodies = of Jewish=20 death camp victims to make soap... 'We do not have to go on believing = untrue=20 stories,' Bauer said.

"Raul Hilberg, professor of political science at the University of = Vermont=20 and pre-eminent historian of the Holocaust, agrees that the soap rumor, = although=20 widespread was probably unfounded.

"There were all kinds of rumors,' he said, noting that a NY Times=20 article during the war suggested that Jews were given lethal = injections=20 before deportation...Other rumors speculated that Jews were killed in = the Belzec=20 camp by electrocution in water... 'All these rumors are untrue, based on = nothing=20 at all,' Hilberg said. 'No evidence has turned up' to suggest that the = Nazis=20 used human fat to make soap." (Hugh Orgel, Jewish Telegraph Agency, = Northern=20 California Jewish Bulletin, April 27, 1990).

Whatever Hilberg and Bauer may say about the rumor-mongering and = atrocity=20 tales, the mass media continues to report them as totally truthful, = straight=20 news. No matter how preposterous or idiotic, no skepticism is shown, no = probing=20 questions asked. We are dealing with a religion here, the most sacred in = the=20 world!

The BBC made a Timewatch documentary about a group of Polish = Jews who=20 are alleged to have "survived the Holocaust by living like and with, the = rats in=20 the sewers of Lvov for 14 months." There is even a book, In the = Sewers of=20 Lvov, dedicated to Leopold Socha, a sewer worker. (Cf. "Subterranean = Memories, Jewish Chronicle, Oct. 26, 1990).

Then there is the Zeiger family of seven, who for "two terrifying = years"=20 beginning in 1942, lived in a "4-foot-deep hole" under Antosh = Suchinsky's barn,=20 "afraid to light even a candle.... The quarters were so cramped the = adults could=20 not even stand. 'I cannot tell you how horrible the conditions were. = There was=20 no air, no food, no light." (Gazette Telegraph, May 28, = 1988).

Vera Kriegel recalls the day in Auschwitz that she was taken into a = room=20 where she "saw a wall full of human eyes pinned to the wall like a = collection of=20 butterflies." (Toronto Star, Feb. 5, 1985).

A Jew named Morris Hubert claims to have been sent to Buchenwald. He = says:=20 "In the camp there was a cage with a bear and an eagle. Every day they = would=20 throw a Jew in there. The bear would tear him apart and the eagle would = pick his=20 bones." (Ari L. Goldman, "Time 'Too Painful' to Remember," NY Times, = Nov.=20 10, 1988).

Or how about Berta Yozawitz of Miami, Florida. During the = "Holocaust," Berta=20 "was moved to Bergen-Belsen concentration camp. One day, she stole some = turnips.=20 She was caught and forced to lick the kitchen floor clean with her = tongue."=20 (Palm Beach Post, April ll, 1988, p. 1).

Rabbi Dr. Moshe Weiss informs us: "...Nazis transported from the = Auschwitz=20 camp to Germany seven trainloads of women's hair from which the Germans = produced=20 soft mattresses forthe German population. There were...10 trainloads of=20 gold--especially from dental work.." (The Jewish Press, April 5,=20 1991).

A French magazine, National Hebdo (May 31, 1990) details how = the=20 sacred Auschwitz death toll has fallen dramatically over the years: from = 8=20 million (French War Crimes Research Office), to 5 million (Le Monde,=20 April 20, 1978) to 4 million (the figure advertised at = Auschwitz-Birkenau up=20 until 1990) to 3 million (the "confessions" of Rudolf Hoss) to 1. 6 = million=20 (Prof. Yehuda Bauer); to 1.25 million (Prof. Raul Hilberg) to 850,000 = (Gerald=20 Reitlinger, The Final Solution), to 75,000 (Auschwitz archives in = posession of the Russians).

This concludes chapter one in volume one of THE JEWISH MENTALITY = by=20 Michael A. Hoffman II

Copyright =A91996 by Michael A. Hoffman II. All Rights Reserved.

Published electronically by The Campaign for Radical Truth in = History. This=20 copyrighted material may not be reproduced in any format without = permission in=20 writing.

http://www.hoffman-info.com

 
------=_NextPart_000_009F_01C82AD8.1A3E1D40-- From snowonweb@hotmail.com Tue Nov 20 11:29:43 EST 2007 Article: 1227801 of alt.revisionism Xref: sn-us alt.revisionism:1227801 Path: sn-us!sn-feed-sjc-04!sn-xt-sjc-10!sn-xt-sjc-08!sn-xt-sjc-01!sn-xt-sjc-13!supernews.com!newshub.sdsu.edu!newscon04.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!newsdst01.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr25.news.prodigy.net.POSTED!584e53d9!not-for-mail From: "snow" Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Jewish Communist Activists in Poland in 1945-1956 Lines: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A8_01C82AD8.631E45D0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1365 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1365 Message-ID: <1Qo0j.11430$yV6.5912@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 75.35.96.226 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr25.news.prodigy.net 1195514237 ST000 75.35.96.226 (Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:17:17 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:17:17 EST Organization: SBC http://yahoo.sbc.com X-UserInfo1: Q[R_PJSCOPTSC_TXMBND]_\@VR]^@B@MCPWZKB]MPXH@ETUCCNSKQFCY@TXDX_WHSVB]ZEJLSNY\^J[CUVSA_QLFC^RQHUPH[P[NRWCCMLSNPOD_ESALHUK@TDFUZHBLJ\XGKL^NXA\EVHSP[D_C^B_^JCX^W]CHBAX]POG@SSAZQ\LE[DCNMUPG_VSC@VJM Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 23:17:17 GMT This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A8_01C82AD8.631E45D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Grzegorz Berendt University of Gdansk=20 The disillusioned revolutionists; Jewish communist activists in Poland = in 1945-1956=20 =20 From the very beginning of the Marxist revolutionary movement in = Poland, people of Jewish origin played an important role in various = organizations. Hundreds and then thousands of them joined the Communist = Party of Poland (founded in December 1918) and the structures affiliated = to it and to the Comintern. Their dream was to create a new reality = free from previous economic, social and ethnic problems. Before 1918 = and, to a great extent, in the years 1918-1939 as well, many of those = who became members or sympathizers of the communist movement in Poland = favoured a very idealistic approach to the most important public issues. = Most of them came from wealthy families and their political activity was = sometimes scornfully called "a drawing-room communism". And yet, such = people were often better prepared to take charge of the organizational = structures than poor illiterate artisans or labourers, whose primary = objective was to improve their own social status. It ought to be = remembered that the cultural background of Jewish communists showed a = considerable diversity. There were those who could easily work with = their non-Jewish comrades as they had a good command of Polish and there = were others, able only to live in the so-called Jewish street as their = mother tongue was still Yiddish. Nonetheless, to all of them the = revolution carried only positive connotations.=20 The exact number of the Jews who accessed formally to the = communist movement in Poland before 1939 remains unknown. It could have = been about 10,000 people or even more. They formed a very small fraction = of the whole Polish Jewry at the time, but even so played a significant = role in the communist organizational structures, especially in the large = cities, like Warsaw and L=F3dz, and in the Polish eastern borderlands. = Professionals on the editorial staff of the party organs were = predominantly Jewish. Many Polish Jewish communists died in the Stalinist great purges = of the 1930s and the majority perished shortly later in the Shoah. The = number of those who found shelter in the Soviet Union was estimated by = Jeff Schatz at about 2,000 and there were also some others who survived = in the areas occupied by the Nazis. According to the statistics prepared = by the Jewish committees in Poland in 1947, there were c. 7,000 members = of the communist Polish Workers' Party among about 110,000 Jews = registered by these institutions. The number of the unregistered remains = unknown as yet. In the years 1944-1951 the majority of about 270,000 = survivors registered in the country decided to emigrate. The year 1955 = saw as few as 75-80,000 of them still living in Poland. Even the = approximate figures of those who joined the Polish United Workers' Party = or its affiliated Polish Youth Union remain unknown. A random note = scribbled in the margin of the 1953 report of the Social and Cultural = Association of the Jews in Poland mentions 3,000 party members in that = organization. The total membership of the Association was about 11,000 = at the time. A feature significant for the consciousness of most communists of = Jewish origin in Poland was their understanding of their own ethnicity. = Without any mistake it may be assumed that all of them lost most of the = members of their families during the war, both these deeply rooted in = the Polish cultural environment and the others, still belonging among = the Yiddish-speaking people. What united them was the awareness that = they all miraculously escaped death. The repatriates from the USSR, the = former partisans, or the Jews who had been hiding on the "Aryan side", = they all, though each in a different way, attribu- ted their survival to = the Red Army. As they understood it, the substantial share the Soviet = Army had in the defeat of the Third Reich and its allies was one more = argument speaking for communism, for the Fatherland of socialism and its = leader. Although they did not want to live in Russia a moment longer = than it was necessary, when they were already in Poland they frequently = expressed their gratitude to the Soviets in public. In the late 1940s = the Jewish communists still hoped that communism was the only proper way = of ensuring a dignified life to the overwhelming majority of the society = and they cherished this hope despite all their experience and knowledge = gained during their stay in the Soviet Union.=20 The Jews as such feared the Polish anti-communist underground and = the opposition whom they blamed for the acts of terror aimed at the = survivors of the Shoah. The communists' hatred was additionally = fuelled by ideological and political factors. As a result, the new = regime appeared to be the only political power capable of protecting = Jewish citizens. Further on, the support for the political order was = strengthened by some other arguments: To begin with, the Jews of Poland = gained a free and unlimited access to all posts in public institutions, = and this - for the first time in the history of the country. Their = vistas of a public career seemed to be unlimited. Of course, this was a = factor of profound significance only to those in the society who = accepted the general limitations of a totalitarian state. Most of the = others decided to leave for the democratic countries. Those from poorer = strata of the society usually had a regular job, health insurance and = access to medical service and could see their children entering free = schools at all levels. However, the Polish Jewish communists gradually realized that the = People's Poland would not be a type of a secular paradise and that they = continued to be negatively branded. Some of them were advised by their = superiors to give up their first names and surnames in order to function = in the society as people of Polish Aryan origin. A number of them were = also persuaded to change the entries in their personal questionnaires = concerning nationality and religious creed. A special colloquial term = was coined for such people: the POP - pelniacy obowiazki Polaka - = somebody who performs duties of a Pole. The Jews who were higher in the = state or party hierarchy had to take part in the discussions on = "over-representation of Jews in some branches of the public services", = for example in the Ministry of Foreign Trade, Ministry of Public = Security or Military Counterintelligence. In the years 1947-1948 the = General Secretary of the Polish Workers' Party, Wladyslaw Gomulka, when = taking part in the closed sessions of the main party organs, several = times repeated his opinion about the necessity to reduce the "Jewish = over-representation". This point of view was still prevalent among the = party ranks after Gomulka's dismissal in September 1948. =20 Such influential party functionaries as Jakub Berman learnt very = soon about the renewed "anti-Zionist" tones in the Soviet Union in the = late 1940s. Hersh Smolar, then a formal chairman of the Communist caucus = in the Central Committee of the Jews in Poland, mentioned in his memoirs = that already in November 1948 he and his comrades had known about the = liquidation of the Jewish institutions in Moscow. Later they lost = contact with almost all the Jewish cultural activists they had known. It = was clear that anti-Jewish policies were implemented in the East and = probably the same approach would soon be adopted in Poland. Atmosphere = of fear gradually spread among the Polish Jews. Most of the communist = veterans had started their political activity at the age of 15-16. Those = who came from Yiddish homes had usually joined Jewish socialist = organizations first and only later went over to the communist ones. In = 1949, when filling in personal questionnaires, they omitted any = references to the non-communist Jewish organizations, obviously trying = to avoid charges of connections with the Jewish nationalistic circles. For some unknown reasons Stalin did not decide to support a = similar anti-Jewish campaign which would target the well-known = communists in Poland. He must have been persuaded by Boleslaw Bierut, = the First Secretary of the Central Committee of the party who, as long = as he lived, protected potential victims of the political anti-Semitic = purge within the party ranks. Nevertheless, Bierut did not try or = simply did not manage to prevent the anti-Jewish action in the army = which was carried out by the Soviet officers of the counter = intelligence. The action must have had the blessing of the Soviet = marshal Konstantin Rokossowski, then the Polish minister of defense. It = started in October 1950 and continued for three years at least.=20 At the turn of 1952/1953, the information about the notorious = Rudolf Slansky's trial and the alleged "Kremlin Doctors' Plot" = electrified all the communist bloc. At that time a high number of the = Polish army officers and political police officers of Jewish origin were = already released from the services on charges of backing reactionary and = nationalistic opinions or being influenced by the reactionary elements, = for example religious Jewish relatives. The news of anti-Semitic = campaigns in Russia and Czechoslovakia horrified Polish Jews, communists = being no exception. Many of the latter, like their comrades abroad, were = astonished that such events could have happened in the communist = countries. They did not sever their links with the party immediately as = such a demonstration was still too dangerous, but to many of them these = moments mentally represented what Bernard Wasserstein called "the end = of a revolutionary Jew". In many cases, the process of weakening one's ties with communism, = especially with its Soviet version, took years to complete and the = Soviet brand of anti-Semitism influenced it very strongly. In 1956 some = French and other foreign guests to Moscow came back home with the = reports about the scandalous anti-Semitic opinions presented by Nikita = Khrushchev who promulgated a theory of "the national regulation of = cadres". For the Jews it was tantamount to ruining their career in many = segments of public life.=20 The death of Bierut in Moscow about two weeks after the final = session of the 20th Soviet Party Congress and the heated discussion = about the political and legal responsibility for the events of the = previous years changed the situation of the Polish Jews. A group of the = communist leaders came to the conclusion that the political = responsibility might best be attributed to several closest collaborators = of the late Bierut, first of all to Jakub Berman, Hilary Minc and Roman = Zambrowski. Since the first half of 1956 the group representing such a = point of view had been referred to as the Natolin faction. In their = opinion, communists of Jewish origin were originally guilty of creating = distrust of the Party among ordinary people and later - of attacking the = principles of communism and of the political system in Poland. The = Natolinians mainly directed their attack against the intellectuals and = the new intelligentsia affiliated with the party. The idea of = associating the Polish political crisis with the Jews was fervently = supported by the Soviets. All these factors led to the split in the = party leadership. In May, Jakub Berman was dismissed from all his party and state = posts. Several months later Minc shared his fate. Although no official = person publicly mentioned the Jewish origin of either of them, their = situation was interpreted by some as a signal for the other Jews to be = removed from their posts. From week to week there rose a number of press = reports about anti-Semitic events in factories, institutions, at schools = and in streets. Hooligans, often drunk and sometimes party members, = attacked Jews beating them up and humiliating them. The Jewish response to the situation was manifold. Probably most = of them awaited a swift and sharp reaction of the political leaders of = the country. But until early 1957, there appeared no blunt statements = >from high-ranking politicians which would refer to anti-Semitism. No = representative of the Politburo or even Central Committee of the Party = attended the extraordinary meeting of the Main Board of the Social and = Cultural Association of the Jews in Poland which was called in November = 1956 to discuss the present issues of utmost importance to the Jews. The = members of the Board wandered in vain along the endless corridors of the = building of the Central Committee in Warsaw in an effort to find = somebody ready to address the despairing and frustrated delegates of the = local branches of the Association.=20 The long silence from the secretaries of the Central Committee and = the prime minister regarding the situation of the Jews made many of them = think that the party wanted them to leave the country and that they had = been left alone with their problems and betrayed. Such opinions were = expressed during the meetings organized in Jewish institutions and = during the open conferences eventually called by the party in spring and = summer 1957. But the reaction of the political leadership was belated. = Both party members and individuals of non-communist affiliation had = already started registering for emigration. At the meetings with the = communist activists of the Social and Cultural Association people = demanded two things only: protection and help in emigration. The number = of communists who left the country in that exodus of 52,000 in the years = 1956-1959 is unknown. What we do know is the fact that only few of them = joined the Com- munist Party of Israel, a party closely linked with the = Soviet Union. Many others decided to work in Israeli Zionist-socialist = parties. For them communism was no longer a solution either to universal = human questions or to the specific Jewish issues. Of course, those = thoughts were of interest only to those with an idealistic frame of mind = and of no importance to the people who had joined the communist party = of power only for egoistic reasons in order to get better work and more = money. Although this emigration wave was relatively huge, there still = remained many communists of the Jewish descent in the country who were = determined to continue their lives and work in Poland. Yet their = attitude to the Soviet Union underwent a change and they became = skeptical about the possibility of real emancipation of the Jews in the = communist bloc as such. Much later several dozens of them and their = children joined various circles of the political dissidents, helping a = lot to undermine the political system of the Polish People's Republic. = Many others became sympathizers and silent supporters of these = activities. On the other hand, one could also find some diehard = ultra-orthodox old-style communists for whom the "Solidarity" movement = was yet another proof of the counter-revolutionary work of the = imperialists and who would think that the only way to solve the problem = was to smash the movement to pieces with a police trun-cheon.=20 After 1956 there might be observed an interesting process in = Poland, namely that of a rebirth of the Jewish consciousness in the = families of the Communist party members. In some of those families = children were brought up in certain separation from the gentile = environment and warned about its strong anti-Semitic prejudice. This = resulted in emigration of many young Poles of Jewish origin who could = see no prospects for themselves in Poland, the homeland of their = forefathers. It was yet another of the far-reaching consequences of the = disillusionment experienced by the former supporters of communism.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_00A8_01C82AD8.631E45D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Grzegorz = Berendt

University of = Gdańsk 

The = disillusioned=20 revolutionists; Jewish communist = activists=20 in Poland in 1945-1956 
 

      From the very beginning of the Marxist = revolutionary movement in Poland,  people of Jewish = origin =20 played an important role in various organizations. Hundreds and then = thousands=20 of them joined the Communist = Party of=20 Poland (founded in December 1918) and the structures affiliated to it = and to the=20 Comintern. Their dream  was to create a new reality free from = previous=20 economic, social and ethnic problems. Before 1918 and, to a great = extent, in the=20 years 1918-1939 as well, many of those who became members or = sympathizers of the=20 communist=20 movement in Poland favoured a very idealistic approach to the most = important=20 public issues. Most of them came from wealthy families and their = political=20 activity was sometimes scornfully called =93a drawing-room communism=94. = And yet,=20 such people were often better prepared to take charge of the = organizational=20 structures than poor illiterate artisans or labourers, whose primary = objective=20 was to improve their own social status. It ought to be remembered that = the=20 cultural background of Jewish = communists=20 showed a considerable diversity. There were those who could easily work = with=20 their non-Jewish=20 comrades as they had a good command of Polish and there were others, = able only=20 to live in the so-called Jewish = street as=20 their mother tongue was still Yiddish. Nonetheless, to all of them  = the=20 revolution carried only positive connotations.

      The exact number of the Jews who = accessed formally=20 to the communist=20 movement in Poland before 1939 remains unknown. It could have been about = 10,000=20 people or even more. They formed a very small fraction of the whole = Polish Jewry=20 at the time, but even so played a significant role in the communist = organizational structures, especially in the large cities, like Warsaw = and Ł=F3dź,=20 and in the Polish eastern borderlands. Professionals on the editorial = staff of=20 the party organs were predominantly Jewish.

      Many Polish Jewish = communists=20 died in the Stalinist great purges of the 1930s and the majority = perished=20 shortly later in the Shoah. The number of those who found shelter in the = Soviet=20 Union was estimated by Jeff Schatz at about 2,000 and there were also = some=20 others who survived in the areas occupied by the Nazis. According to the = statistics prepared by the Jewish = committees=20 in Poland in 1947, there were c. 7,000 members of the communist = Polish=20 Workers' Party among about 110,000 Jews registered by these = institutions. The=20 number of the unregistered remains unknown as yet. In the years = 1944-1951 the=20 majority of about 270,000 survivors registered in the country decided to = emigrate. The year 1955 saw as few as 75-80,000 of them still living in = Poland.=20 Even the approximate figures of those who joined the Polish United = Workers'=20 Party or its affiliated Polish Youth Union remain unknown. A random note = scribbled in the margin of the 1953 report of the Social and Cultural=20 Association of the Jews in Poland mentions 3,000 party members in that=20 organization. The total membership of the Association was about 11,000 = at the=20 time.

      A feature significant for the = consciousness of=20 most communists of Jewish = origin in=20 Poland was their understanding of their own ethnicity. Without any = mistake it=20 may be assumed that all of them lost most of the members of their = families=20 during the war, both these deeply rooted in the Polish cultural = environment and=20 the others, still belonging among the Yiddish-speaking people. What = united them=20 was the awareness that they all miraculously escaped death. The = repatriates from=20 the USSR, the former partisans, or the Jews who had been hiding on the = =93Aryan=20 side=94, they all, though each in a different way, attribu- ted their = survival to=20 the Red Army. As they understood it, the substantial share the Soviet = Army had=20 in the defeat of the Third Reich and its allies was one more argument = speaking=20 for communism, for the Fatherland of socialism and its leader. Although = they did=20 not want to live in Russia a moment longer than it was necessary, when = they were=20 already in Poland they frequently expressed their gratitude to the = Soviets in=20 public. In the late 1940s the Jewish = communists=20 still hoped that communism was the only proper way of ensuring a = dignified life=20 to the overwhelming majority of the society and they cherished this hope = despite=20 all their experience and knowledge gained during their stay in  the = Soviet=20 Union.

     The Jews as such feared the Polish anti-communist = underground and the opposition whom they blamed for the acts of terror = aimed at=20 the survivors of  the Shoah. The communists'  hatred was = additionally=20 fuelled by ideological and political factors. As a result, the new = regime=20 appeared to be the only political power capable of protecting Jewish = citizens.=20 Further on, the support  for the political order was strengthened = by some=20 other arguments: To begin with, the Jews of Poland gained a free and = unlimited=20 access to all posts in public institutions, and this - for the first = time in the=20 history of the country. Their vistas of a public career seemed to be = unlimited.=20 Of course, this was a factor of profound significance only to those in = the=20 society who accepted the general limitations of a totalitarian state. = Most of=20 the others decided to leave for the democratic countries. Those from = poorer=20 strata of the society usually had a regular job, health insurance and = access to=20 medical service and could see their children entering free schools at = all=20 levels.

    However, the Polish Jewish = communists=20 gradually realized  that the People=92s Poland would not be a type = of a=20 secular paradise and that they continued to be negatively  branded. = Some of=20 them were advised by their superiors to give up their first names and = surnames=20 in order to function in the society as people of Polish Aryan origin. A = number=20 of them were also persuaded to change the entries in their personal=20 questionnaires concerning  nationality and religious creed. A = special=20 colloquial term was coined for such  people: the POP =96 = pełniący obowiązki=20 Polaka =96 somebody who performs duties of a Pole. The Jews who were = higher in the=20 state or party hierarchy had to take part in the discussions on=20 =93over-representation of Jews in some branches of the public = services=94, for=20 example in the Ministry of  Foreign Trade, Ministry of Public = Security or=20 Military Counterintelligence. In the years 1947-1948 the General = Secretary of=20 the Polish Workers' Party, Władysław Gomułka, when taking = part in the closed=20 sessions of the main party organs, several times repeated his opinion = about the=20 necessity to reduce the =93Jewish=20 over-representation=94. This point of view was still prevalent among the = party=20 ranks after Gomułka=92s dismissal in September 1948.  =

      Such influential party functionaries = as Jakub=20 Berman learnt very soon about  the renewed =93anti-Zionist" tones = in the=20 Soviet Union in the late 1940s. Hersh Smolar, then a formal chairman of = the Communist = caucus in=20 the Central Committee of the Jews in Poland, mentioned in his memoirs = that=20 already in November 1948 he and his comrades had known about the = liquidation of=20 the Jewish=20 institutions in Moscow. Later they lost contact with almost all the Jewish = cultural=20 activists they had known. It was clear that anti-Jewish = policies=20 were implemented in the East and probably the same approach would soon = be=20 adopted in Poland. Atmosphere of fear  gradually spread among the = Polish=20 Jews. Most of the communist = veterans=20 had started their political activity at the age of 15-16. Those who came = from=20 Yiddish homes  had usually joined Jewish = socialist=20 organizations first and only later went over to the communist = ones. In=20 1949, when filling in personal questionnaires, they omitted any = references to=20 the non-communist = Jewish=20 organizations, obviously trying to avoid charges of connections  = with =20 the Jewish=20 nationalistic circles.

      For some unknown reasons Stalin did = not decide to=20 support   a similar anti-Jewish=20 campaign  which would  target the well-known communists in = Poland. He=20 must have been persuaded by Bolesław Bierut, the First Secretary of = the Central=20 Committee of the party who, as long as he lived, protected potential = victims of=20 the political anti-Semitic purge within the party ranks. = Nevertheless, =20 Bierut did not try or simply did not manage to prevent the anti-Jewish = action in=20 the army which was carried out by the Soviet officers of the counter=20 intelligence. The action must have had the blessing of the Soviet = marshal=20 Konstantin Rokossowski, then the Polish minister of defense.  It = started in=20 October 1950 and continued for  three years at least.

      At the turn of 1952/1953, the = information about=20 the notorious Rudolf Slansky=92s trial and the alleged =93Kremlin = Doctors' Plot=94=20 electrified all the communist = bloc. At=20 that time a high number of the Polish army officers and political police = officers of Jewish = origin were=20 already released from the services on charges of backing reactionary and = nationalistic opinions or being influenced by the reactionary elements, = for=20 example religious Jewish = relatives.=20 The news of anti-Semitic campaigns in Russia and Czechoslovakia = horrified Polish=20 Jews, communists being no exception. Many of the latter, like their = comrades=20 abroad, were astonished that such events could have happened in the communist = countries. They did not sever their links with the party immediately as = such a=20 demonstration was still too dangerous, but to many of them these moments = mentally represented what Bernard Wasserstein  called  =93the = end=20 of  a revolutionary Jew=94.

      In many cases, the process of = weakening one's ties=20 with communism, especially with its Soviet version, took years to = complete and=20 the Soviet brand of anti-Semitism influenced it very strongly. In 1956 = some=20 French and other foreign guests to Moscow came back home with the = reports about=20 the scandalous anti-Semitic opinions presented by Nikita Khrushchev who=20 promulgated a theory of =93the national regulation of cadres=94. For the = Jews it was=20 tantamount to ruining their career in many segments of  public = life.=20

      The death of Bierut in Moscow about = two weeks=20 after the final session of the 20th Soviet Party Congress and = the=20 heated discussion about the political and legal responsibility for the = events of=20 the previous years changed the situation of the Polish Jews. A group of = the communist = leaders = came to the=20 conclusion that the political responsibility might best be attributed to = several=20 closest collaborators of the late Bierut, first of all to Jakub Berman, = Hilary=20 Minc and Roman Zambrowski. Since the first half of 1956 the group = representing=20 such a point of view had been referred to as the Natolin faction. In = their=20 opinion, communists of Jewish = origin were=20 originally guilty of creating distrust of the Party among ordinary = people and=20 later - of attacking the principles of communism and of the political = system in=20 Poland. The Natolinians mainly directed their attack against the = intellectuals=20 and the new intelligentsia affiliated with the party. The idea of = associating=20 the Polish political crisis with the Jews was fervently supported by the = Soviets. All these factors led to the split in the party = leadership.

      In May, Jakub Berman was dismissed = >from all his=20 party and state posts. Several months later Minc shared his fate. = Although no=20 official person publicly mentioned the Jewish = origin of=20 either of them, their situation was interpreted by some as a signal for = the=20 other Jews to be removed from their posts. From week to week there rose = a number=20 of press reports about anti-Semitic events in factories, institutions, = at=20 schools and in streets. Hooligans, often drunk and sometimes party = members,=20 attacked Jews beating them up and humiliating them.

      The Jewish = response to=20 the situation was manifold. Probably most of them awaited a swift and = sharp=20 reaction of the political leaders = of the=20 country. But until early 1957, there appeared no blunt statements from=20 high-ranking politicians which would refer to anti-Semitism. No = representative=20 of the Politburo or even Central Committee of the Party attended the=20 extraordinary meeting of the Main Board of the Social and Cultural = Association=20 of the Jews in Poland which was called in November 1956 to discuss the = present=20 issues of utmost importance to the Jews. The members of the Board = wandered in=20 vain along the endless corridors of the building of the Central = Committee in=20 Warsaw in an effort to find somebody ready to address the despairing and = frustrated delegates of the local branches of the Association. =

      The long silence from the secretaries = of the=20 Central Committee and the prime minister regarding the situation of the = Jews=20 made many of them think that the party wanted them to leave the country = and that=20 they had been left alone with their problems and betrayed. Such opinions = were=20 expressed during the meetings organized in Jewish = institutions=20 and during the open conferences eventually called by the party in spring = and=20 summer 1957. But the reaction of the political leadership was belated. = Both=20 party members and individuals of non-communist = affiliation had already started registering for emigration. At the = meetings with=20 the communist=20 activists of the Social and Cultural Association people demanded  = two=20 things only: protection and help in emigration. The number of communists = who=20 left the country in that exodus of 52,000 in the years 1956-1959 is = unknown.=20 What we do know is the fact that only few of them joined the Com- munist = Party=20 of Israel, a party closely linked with the Soviet Union. Many others = decided to=20 work in Israeli Zionist-socialist parties. For them communism was no = longer a=20 solution either to universal human questions or to the specific Jewish = issues. Of=20 course, those thoughts were of interest only to those with an idealistic = frame=20 of mind  and of no importance to the people who had joined the communist = party of=20 power only for egoistic reasons in order to get better work and more=20 money.

      Although this emigration wave was = relatively=20 huge,  there still remained  many communists of the Jewish = descent in=20 the country who were determined  to continue their lives and work = in=20 Poland. Yet their attitude to the Soviet Union underwent a change and = they=20 became  skeptical about the possibility of real emancipation of the = Jews in=20 the communist=20 bloc as such. Much later several dozens of them and their children = joined=20 various circles of the political dissidents, helping a lot to undermine = the=20 political system of the Polish People=92s Republic. Many others became=20 sympathizers and silent supporters of these activities. On the other = hand, one=20 could also find some diehard ultra-orthodox old-style communists for = whom the=20 =93Solidarity=94 movement was yet another proof of the = counter-revolutionary work of=20 the imperialists and who would think that the only way to solve the = problem was=20 to smash the movement to pieces with a police trun-cheon.

     After 1956 there might be observed an interesting process in = Poland,=20 namely that of a rebirth of the Jewish=20 consciousness in the families of the Communist = party=20 members. In some of those families children were brought up in certain=20 separation from the gentile environment and warned about its strong = anti-Semitic=20 prejudice. This resulted in emigration of many young Poles of  Jewish = origin who=20 could see no prospects for themselves in Poland, the homeland of their=20 forefathers. It was yet another of the far-reaching consequences of the=20 disillusionment experienced by the former supporters of  communism. =

 
------=_NextPart_000_00A8_01C82AD8.631E45D0-- From snowonweb@hotmail.com Tue Nov 20 11:29:45 EST 2007 Article: 1227802 of alt.revisionism Xref: sn-us alt.revisionism:1227802 Path: sn-us!sn-feed-sjc-04!sn-us!sn-feed-sjc-01!sn-xt-sjc-10!sn-xt-sjc-06!sn-xt-sjc-12!supernews.com!nntp.csufresno.edu!tethys.csu.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!newscon04.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!newsdst01.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr25.news.prodigy.net.POSTED!584e53d9!not-for-mail From: "snow" Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Jews and Bolsheviks Lines: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B1_01C82AD8.F57F6AD0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1365 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1365 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 75.35.96.226 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr25.news.prodigy.net 1195514481 ST000 75.35.96.226 (Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:21:21 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:21:21 EST Organization: SBC http://yahoo.sbc.com X-UserInfo1: Q[R_PJSCOPTSC_TXMBND]_\@VR]^@B@MCPWZKB]MPXH@ETUCCNSKQFCY@TXDX_WHSVB]ZEJLSNY\^J[CUVSA_QLFC^RQHUPH[P[NRWCCMLSNPOD_ESALHUK@TDFUZHBLJ\XGKL^NXA\EVHSP[D_C^B_^JCX^W]CHBAX]POG@SSAZQ\LE[DCNMUPG_VSC@VJM Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 23:21:21 GMT This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B1_01C82AD8.F57F6AD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A notable number of Bolshevik party members were ethnically Jewish, = especially in the leadership of the party, and the percentage of Jewish = party members among the rival Mensheviks was even higher. The idea of = overthrowing the Tsarist regime was attractive to many members of the = Jewish intelligentsia because of the oppression of non-Russian nations = and non-Orthodox Christians within the Russian Empire. For much the same = reason, many non-Russians, notably Latvians or Poles, were = disproportionately represented in the party leadership. This fact was = abused by the Tsarist secret police, the Okhranka, which used = antisemitism and xenophobia as a weapon against the Russian = revolutionary movement and promulgated fraudulent Protocols of the = Elders of Zion to explain Russian revolutions as a part of a powerful = world conspiracy. Because some of the leading Bolsheviks were ethnic Jews, and Bolshevism = supports a policy of promoting international proletarian revolution-most = notably in the case of Leon Trotsky-led many enemies of Bolshevism, and = continues to lead contemporary antisemites, to draw a picture of = Communism as a political slur at Jews and accusing Jews of pursuing = Bolshevism to benefit Jewish interests, reflected in the terms "Jewish = Bolshevism" or "Judeo-Bolshevism". In Nazi Germany, the regime of Adolf = Hitler used this theory as a rallying cry to paint a picture of a = supposed "Jewish-Bolshevik conspiracy". Even today, many antisemites = continue to promote the idea of a link between the Jews and Communism. = The original atheistic and internationalistic ideology of the Bolsheviks = (See proletarian internationalism, bourgeois nationalism) was = incompatible with Jewish traditionalism and the later covert tendencies = towards Russian nationalism and (especially after World War II) = antisemitism in the Soviet regime placed many secular Jews in conflict = with the regime. Soon after seizing power, the Bolsheviks established the Yevsektsiya, = the Jewish section of the Communist party in order to destroy the rival = Bund and Zionist parties, suppress Judaism and replace traditional = Jewish culture with "proletarian culture". More at = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Russia_and_the_Soviet= _Union#Jews_and_Bolshevism ------=_NextPart_000_00B1_01C82AD8.F57F6AD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

A notable number of Bolshevik = party members=20 were ethnically Jewish, especially in the leadership of the party, and = the=20 percentage of Jewish party members among the rival Mensheviks was even higher. The idea of overthrowing the = Tsarist=20 regime was attractive to many members of the Jewish intelligentsia because of the oppression of non-Russian = nations and=20 non-Orthodox Christians within the = Russian Empire. For much the same = reason, many=20 non-Russians, notably Latvians or = Poles, were disproportionately = represented in the=20 party leadership. This fact was abused by the Tsarist secret police, the = Okhranka, which used antisemitism and xenophobia as a=20 weapon against the Russian revolutionary=20 movement and promulgated fraudulent Protocols of the Elders of Zion to = explain=20 Russian revolutions as a part of a powerful world conspiracy.

Because some of the leading Bolsheviks were ethnic Jews, and Bolshevism supports a policy of = promoting=20 international proletarian revolution=97most notably in the case of Leon Trotsky=97led many enemies of = Bolshevism, and=20 continues to lead contemporary antisemites, to draw a picture of = Communism as a=20 political slur at Jews and accusing Jews of pursuing Bolshevism to = benefit=20 Jewish interests, reflected in the terms "Jewish Bolshevism" or=20 "Judeo-Bolshevism". In Nazi = Germany, the regime=20 of Adolf Hitler used this theory as = a rallying cry to paint a picture of a = supposed=20 "Jewish-Bolshevik conspiracy". Even today, many antisemites continue to = promote=20 the idea of a link between the Jews and Communism. The original atheistic and internationalistic ideology of the Bolsheviks (See proletarian internationalism, bourgeois nationalism) was incompatible with Jewish=20 traditionalism and the later covert tendencies towards Russian = nationalism and=20 (especially after World War II) = antisemitism in=20 the Soviet regime placed many secular Jews in conflict with the = regime.

Soon after seizing power, the Bolsheviks established the Yevsektsiya, the Jewish section of the Communist party in order to destroy the rival Bund and Zionist = parties, suppress=20 Judaism and replace traditional = Jewish culture=20 with "proletarian culture".

More at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_= of_the_Jews_in_Russia_and_the_Soviet_Union#Jews_and_Bolshevism

 
------=_NextPart_000_00B1_01C82AD8.F57F6AD0-- From snowonweb@hotmail.com Tue Nov 20 11:29:46 EST 2007 Article: 1227803 of alt.revisionism Xref: sn-us alt.revisionism:1227803 Path: sn-us!sn-feed-sjc-03!sn-xt-sjc-11!sn-xt-sjc-06!sn-xt-sjc-12!supernews.com!postnews.google.com!news3.google.com!news4.google.com!out02b.usenetserver.com!news.usenetserver.com!in02.usenetserver.com!news.usenetserver.com!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!newsfeed.telus.net!newscon04.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!newsdst01.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr25.news.prodigy.net.POSTED!584e53d9!not-for-mail From: "snow" Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: THE ROLE OF ZIONISM IN THE HOLOCAUST Lines: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00BA_01C82AD9.5F793D30" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1365 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1365 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 75.35.96.226 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr25.news.prodigy.net 1195514660 ST000 75.35.96.226 (Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:24:20 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:24:20 EST Organization: SBC http://yahoo.sbc.com X-UserInfo1: Q[OGBVOGZZV[CFD[LZKJOPHAWB\^PBQLGPQRJWQHBATBTSUBYFWEAE[YJLYPIWKHTFCMZKVMB^[Z^DOBRVVMOSPFHNSYXVDIE@X\BUC@GTSX@DL^GKFFHQCCE\G[JJBMYDYIJCZM@AY]GNGPJD]YNNW\GSX^GSCKHA[]@CCB\[@LATPD\L@J\\PF]VR[QPJN Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 23:24:20 GMT This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00BA_01C82AD9.5F793D30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable THE ROLE OF ZIONISM IN THE HOLOCAUST Article by Rabbi Gedalya Liebermann - Australia=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- "Spiritually and Physically Responsible "=20 >From its' inception, many rabbis warned of the potential dangers of = Zionism and openly declared that all Jews loyal to G-d should stay away = >from it like one would from fire. They made their opinions clear to = their congregants and to the general public. Their message was that = Zionism is a chauvinistic racist phenomenon which has absolutely naught = to do with Judaism. They publicly expressed that Zionism would = definitely be detrimental to the well being of Jews and Gentiles and = that its effects on the Jewish religion would be nothing other than = destructive. Further, it would taint the reputation of Jewry as a whole = and would cause utter confusion in the Jewish and non-Jewish = communities. Judaism is a religion. Judaism is not a race or a = nationality. That was and still remains the consensus amongst the = rabbis.=20 We were given the Holy Land by G-d in order to be able to study and = practice the Torah without disturbance and to attain levels of holiness = difficult to attain outside of the Holy Land. We abused the privilege = and we were expelled. That is exactly what all Jews say in their prayers = on every Jewish festival, "Umipnay chatoenu golinu mayartsaynu" - = "Because of our sins we were expelled from our land".=20 We have been forsworn by G-d "not to enter the Holy Land as a body = before the predestined time", "not to rebel against the nations", to be = loyal citizens, not to do anything against the will of any nation or its = honour, not to seek vengeance, discord, restitution or compensation; = "not to leave exile ahead of time." On the contrary; we have to be = humble and accept the yoke of exile. To violate the oaths would result = in "your flesh will be made prey as the deer and the antelope in the = forest," and the redemption will be delayed.=20 (Talmud Tractate Ksubos p. 111a).=20 To violate the oaths is not only a sin, it is a heresy because it is = against the fundamentals of our Belief. Only through complete repentance = will the Almighty alone, without any human effort or intervention, = redeem us from exile. This will be after G-d will send the prophet = Elijah and Moshiach who will induce all Jews to complete repentance. At = that time there will be universal peace.=20 THE UNHEEDED CRY Read the gripping story of Rabbi Weissmandl, valiant holocaust leader = who battled both Allied indifference and Nazi hatred. Available in our Bookstore All of the leading Jewish religious authorities of that era predicted = great hardship to befall humanity generally and the Jewish People = particularly, as a result of Zionism. To be a Jew means that either one = is born to a Jewish mother or converts to the religion with the = condition that he or she make no reservations with regard to Jewish Law. = Unfortunately there are many Jews who have no inkling whatsoever as to = the duties of a Jew. Many of them are not to blame, for in many cases = they lacked a Jewish education and upbringing. But there are those who = deliberately distort the teachings of our tradition to suit their = personal needs. It is self understood that not just anyone has the right = or the ability to make a decision regarding the philosophy or law of a = religion. Especially matters in which that person has no qualification. = It follows then that those individuals who "decided" that Judaism is a = nationality are to be ignored and even criticized. It is no secret that = the founders of Zionism had never studied Jewish Law nor did they = express interest in our holy tradition. They openly defied Rabbinical = authority and self-appointed themselves as leaders of the Jewish = "nation". In Jewish history, actions like those have always spelled = disaster. To be a Jew and show open defiance of authority or to = introduce "amendment" or "innovation" without first consulting with = those officially appointed as Jewish spiritual leaders is the ideal = equation to equal catastrophe. One can not just decide to "modernize" = ancient traditions or regulations. The spiritual leaders of contemporary = Judaism better known as Orthodox rabbis have received ordination to = judge and interpret matters pertaining to the Jewish faith. These rabbis = have received their rights and responsibilities and form a link in the = unbroken chain of the Jewish tradition dating all the way back to Moses = who received the Torah from Almighty G-d Himself. It was these very = rabbis who, at the time of the formation of the Zionist movement, = foresaw the pernicious outcome that was without a doubt lined up. It was = a man possessing outstanding Judaic genius, and a level of uncontested = holiness who enunciated the Jewish stance regarding Zionism.=20 Grand Rebbe Teitelbaum This charismatic individual, the Rebbe of Satmar, Grand Rabbi Joel = Teitelbaum, did not mince any words. Straight to the point he called = Zionism "the work of Satan", "a sacrilege" and "a blasphemy". He forbade = any participation with anything even remotely associated with Zionism = and said that Zionism was bound to call the wrath of G-d upon His = people. He maintained this stance with unwavering bravery from the onset = of Zionism whilst he was still in Hungary up until his death in New York = where he lead a congregation numbering in the hundreds of thousands. = Grand Rabbi Teitelbaum, scion to a legacy of holy mystics and Hassidic = Masters unfortunately had his prediction fulfilled. We lost more than = six million of our brothers, sisters, sons and daughters in a very = horrible manner. This, more than six million holy people had to = experience as punishment for the Zionist stupidity. The Holocaust, he = wept, was a direct result of Zionism, a punishment from G-d.=20 IT IS COMMON KNOWLEDGE THAT ALL THE SAGES AND SAINTS IN EUROPE AT THE = TIME OF HITLER'S RISE DECLARED THAT HE WAS A MESSENGER OF DIVINE WRATH, = SENT TO CHASTEN THE JEWS BECAUSE OF THE BITTER APOSTASY OF ZIONISM = AGAINST THE BELIEF IN THE EVENTUAL MESSIANIC REDEMPTION.=20 But it doesn't end there. It wasn't enough for the Zionist leaders to = have aroused the wrath of G-d. They made a point of displaying abysmal = contempt for their Jewish brothers and sisters by actively participating = in their extermination. Just the idea alone of Zionism, which the rabbis = had informed them would cause havoc, was not enough for them. They made = an effort to pour fuel on an already burning flame. They had to incite = the Angel of Death, Adolf Hitler. They took the liberty of telling the = world that they represented World Jewry. Who appointed these individuals = as leaders of the Jewish People?? It is no secret that these so-called = "leaders" were ignoramuses when it came to Judaism. Atheists and racists = too. These are the "statesmen" who organized the irresponsible boycott = against Germany in 1933. This boycott hurt Germany like a fly attacking = an elephant - but it brought calamity upon the Jews of Europe. At a time = when America and England were at peace with the mad-dog Hitler, the = Zionist "statesmen" forsook the only plausible method of political = amenability; and with their boycott incensed the leader of Germany to a = frenzy. Genocide began, but these people, if they can really be = classified as members of the human race, sat back.=20 "No Shame" President Roosevelt convened the Evian conference July 6-15 1938, to = deal with the Jewish refugee problem. The Jewish Agency delegation = headed by Golda Meir (Meirson) ignored a German offer to allow Jews to = emigrate to other countries for $250 a head, and the Zionists made no = effort to influence the United States and the 32 other countries = attending the conference to allow immigration of German and Austrian = Jews. [Source]=20 On Feb 1, 1940 Henry Montor executive vice-President of the United = Jewish Appeal refused to intervene for a shipload of Jewish refugees = stranded on the Danube river, stating that "Palestine cannot be flooded = with... old people or with undesirables." [Source]=20 Read "The Millions That Could Have Been Saved" by I.Domb It is an historical fact that in 1941 and again in 1942, the German = Gestapo offered all European Jews transit to Spain, if they would = relinquish all their property in Germany and Occupied France; on = condition that: a) none of the deportees travel from Spain to Palestine; = and b) all the deportees be transported from Spain to the USA or British = colonies, and there to remain; with entry visas to be arranged by the = Jews living there; and c) $1000.00 ransom for each family to be = furnished by the Agency, payable upon the arrival of the family at the = Spanish border at the rate of 1000 families daily.=20 The Zionist leaders in Switzerland and Turkey received this offer with = the clear understanding that the exclusion of Palestine as a destination = for the deportees was based on an agreement between the Gestapo and the = Mufti.=20 The answer of the Zionist leaders was negative, with the following = comments: a) ONLY Palestine would be considered as a destination for the = deportees. b) The European Jews must accede to suffering and death = greater in measure than the other nations, in order that the victorious = allies agree to a "Jewish State" at the end of the war. c) No ransom = will be paid This response to the Gestapo's offer was made with the full = knowledge that the alternative to this offer was the gas chamber.=20 These treacherous Zionist leaders betrayed their own flesh and blood. = Zionism was never an option for Jewish salvation. Quite the opposite, it = was a formula for human beings to be used as pawns for the power trip of = several desperadoes. A perfidy! A betrayal beyond description!=20 In 1944, at the time of the Hungarian deportations, a similar offer was = made, whereby all Hungarian Jewry could be saved. The same Zionist = hierarchy again refused this offer (after the gas chambers had already = taken a toll of millions).=20 The British government granted visas to 300 rabbis and their families to = the Colony of Mauritius, with passage for the evacuees through Turkey. = The "Jewish Agency" leaders sabotaged this plan with the observation = that the plan was disloyal to Palestine, and the 300 rabbis and their = families should be gassed.=20 On December 17, 1942 both houses of the British Parliament declared its = readiness to find temporary refuge for endangered persons. The British = Parliament proposed to evacuate 500,000 Jews from Europe, and resettle = them in British colonies, as a part of diplomatic negotiations with = Germany. This motion received within two weeks a total of 277 = Parliamentary signatures. On Jan. 27, when the next steps were being = pursued by over 100 M.P.'s and Lords, a spokesman for the Zionists = announced that the Jews would oppose the motion because Palestine was = omitted. [Source]=20 On Feb. 16, 1943 Roumania offered 70,000 Jewish refugees of the = Trans-Dniestria to leave at the cost of $50 each. This was publicized in = the New York papers. Yitzhak Greenbaum, Chairman of the Rescue Committee = of the Jewish Agency, addressing the Zionist Executive Council in Tel = Aviv Feb. 18 1943 said, "when they asked me, "couldn't you give money = out of the United Jewish Appeal funds for the rescue of Jews in Europe, = I said NO! and I say again, NO!...one should resist this wave which = pushes the Zionist activities to secondary importance." On Feb. 24, 1943 = Stephen Wise, President of the American Jewish Congress and leader of = the American Zionists issued a public refusal to this offer and declared = no collection of funds would seem justified. In 1944, the Emergency = Committee to Save the Jewish People called upon the American government = to establish a War Refugee Board. Stephen Wise testifying before a = special committee of Congress objected to this proposal. [Source]=20 During the course of the negotiations mentioned above, Chaim Weizman, = the first "Jewish statesman" stated: "The most valuable part of the = Jewish nation is already in Palestine, and those Jews living outside = Palestine are not too important". Weizman's cohort, Greenbaum, amplified = this statement with the observation "One cow in Palestine is worth more = than all the Jews in Europe".=20 And then, after the bitterest episode in Jewish history, these Zionist = "statesmen" lured the broken refugees in the DP camps to remain in = hunger and deprivation, and to refuse relocation to any place but = Palestine; only for the purpose of building their State.=20 In 1947 Congressman William Stration sponsored a bill to immediately = grant entry to the United States of 400,000 displaced persons. The bill = was not passed after it was publicly denounced by the Zionist = leadership. [Source]=20 These facts are read with consternation and unbearable shame. How can it = be explained that at a time during the last phase of the war, when the = Nazis were willing to barter Jews for money, partly because of their = desires to establish contact with the Western powers which, they = believed, were under Jewish influence, how was it possible one asks that = the self-proclaimed "Jewish leaders" did not move heaven and earth to = save the last remnant of their brothers?=20 On Feb. 23, 1956 the Hon. J. W. Pickersgill, Minister for Immigration = was asked in the Canadian House of Commons "would he open the doors of = Canada to Jewish refugees". He replied "the government has made no = progress in that direction because the government of Israel....does not = wish us to do so". [Source]=20 In 1972, the Zionist leadership successfully opposed an effort in the = United States Congress to allow 20,000-30,000 Russian refugees to enter = the United States. Jewish relief organizations, Joint and HIAS, were = being pressured to abandon these refugees in Vienna, Rome and other = Europiean cities. [Source]=20 The pattern is clear!!! Humanitarian rescue efforts are subverted to = narrow Zionist interests.=20 There were many more shocking crimes committed by these abject = degenerates known as "Jewish statesmen", we could list many more = example, but for the time being let anyone produce a valid excuse for = the above facts.=20 Zionist responsibility for the Holocaust is threefold.=20 1. The Holocaust was a punishment for disrespecting The Three Oaths = (see Talmud, Tractate Kesubos p. 111a).=20 2. Zionist leaders openly withheld support, both financially and = otherwise, to save their fellow brothers and sisters from a cruel death. = 3. The leaders of the Zionist movement cooperated with Hitler and his = cohorts on many occasions and in many ways.=20 Zionists Offer a Military Alliance with Hitler=20 It would be wishful thinking if it could be stated that the leaders of = the Zionist movement sat back and ignored the plight of their dying = brothers and sisters. Not only did they publicly refuse to assist in = their rescue, but they actively participated with Hitler and the Nazi = regime. Early in 1935, a passenger ship bound for Haifa in Palestine = left the German port of Bremerhaven. Its stern bore the Hebrew letter = for its name, "Tel Aviv", while a swastika banner fluttered from the = mast. And although the ship was Zionist owned, its captain was a = National Socialist Party (Nazi) member. Many years later a traveler = aboard the ship recalled this symbolic combination as a "metaphysical = absurdity". Absu