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"Protagonist"  wrote in message 
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> Israel declares there was no Holocaust Extermination
> by Matt Giwer, © 2007 [June]
>
> In the year 2000 Israel said there were one million holocaust survivors 
> still alive and many are in financial need. That number is corroborated 
> close enough[3] by other Jewish sources. Survivor implies something 
> escapes by the skin of one's teeth and it certainly is terrible that so 
> many are in financial need. Cue the extortion music. [urls to official 
> claims of this number]

Many are in financial need, but also there are many organizations such as 
NIZKOR that take donations to support these poor holocaust survivors. I 
would love to see the documentation from NIZKOR that shows how much over the 
years NIZKOR passed down donations to the survivors.


>
> As we know the average life expectancy giving a number of people alive in 
> a year is the same as giving the percentage alive in that year to a first 
> order approximation. In giving a number Israel also gave the percent.
>
> The problem is the average life span in 2000 for Europeans was about 75 
> years.[1] The year 2000 was 55 years after the end of it.[2] So if all 
> ages from newborn to the elderly were among the survivors then 55/75th 
> have died since 1945 and the number alive in 2000 equals 20/75th of the 
> number in 1945, a bit less than 1/3 of them.
>
> Elementary algebra[4] says if there were one million alive in the year 
> 2000 then there were 3.75 million holocaust survivors alive in 1945. That 
> is a huge number.
>
> But wait! There's more! [Cue Popiel slice and dice logo]
>
> If the Nazis killed those unable to work it gets worse. Lets assume 13 
> years old is old enough to work. So in 1945 the youngest survivor was 13. 
> That means it is as though there were one million survivors in the year 
> 2012. As that is 67 years after it ended then 67/75ths have died and one 
> million represents 8/75ths of the survivors in 1945. That means there were 
> roughly 9.375 million holocaust survivors in 1945.
>
> Pick any unable-to-work age you want down to newborn and still we are left 
> with 3.5 million in 1945 as the minimum number of holocaust survivors. But 
> if we have newborns surviving then we have a good fraction of women taking 
> care of the children and thus not working. That weighs against the 
> trademarked Pure Nazi Evil. Not working everyone to death stains the 
> trademark of Pure Nazi Evil.
>
>     Addendum June 10, 2007
>     However one million is a conveniently round number. Perhaps it was an 
> early estimate and in error. In 2004 Israel issued a more refined number 
> still alive in that year, 1,092,000, for the purpose of actually filing 
> lawsuits. So 59 years after the event 16/75s were still alive. That leaves 
> us with 5,118,750 alive in 1945 if none were killed for inability to work. 
> If we go with those under 13 being killed we have 27,300,000 holocaust 
> survivors alive in 1945. This is nearly twice as many Jews as were in all 
> the world in 1938.
>
>     This is the original article.
>
> We must conclude the official numbers asserted for purposes of claiming 
> compensation are either lies for the purpose of extortion or there was no 
> extermination in the holy holocaust. And if the former is a lie, lying in 
> one leads to a reasonable assumption of lying in all and it is up to the 
> liar to show he is not lying this time.
>
> OTOH we can look at the 1945 Red Cross numbers for all concentration camp 
> survivors as 120,000. That means there should be 33,000 survivors today 
> assuming no extermination of those unable to work. Assuming extermination 
> of those unable to work as under 13 we have roughly 10,000 survivors. If 
> we expand camp survivors to those who survived by hiding either their 
> identity or physically perhaps the number can be doubled or even tripled 
> before one cannot keep a straight face saying it.
>
> Norman Finkelstein quotes his mother as asking, If all of these people are 
> survivors, who did Hitler kill?
>
> I can add to her consternation. Every conceivable modification to the data 
> short of a fountain of youth for holocaust survivors, short of increasing 
> their life expectancy, increases the number of survivors in 1945. Evan a 
> million survivors in 1945 (no one died in 55 years) begs the question of 
> what does holocaust mean.
>
> So just how many Jews were their in Europe during WWII?
>
> From this copy of a newspaper article we can see there were 8.9 million 
> Jews in Europe going into the war. [The entire image by country is here.] 
> This is the population numbers reported by Jews. So with just shy of 9 
> million in all of Europe going into the war, losing the magic 6 million 
> during the war and having nearly 4 million survivors of the holocaust part 
> of the war is clearly not possible.
>
> The suggestion there was a natural population increase between 1938 and 
> 1945 requires Jews to have produced children at a rate at least equal to 
> what would have occurred had there been no war and no extermination and 
> not even concentration camps. In fact with all the Jewish claims of zero 
> population growth the claim of natural growth is not credible.
>
> It only approaches credibility if the story of immediately killing those 
> who could not work is either a total lie or so rare it is not worth 
> mentioning. With killing those who were unable to work means there were 
> more holocaust survivors in 1945 than there were Jews in Europe in 1938. 
> So the claim of killing those to young to work is clearly one of the many 
> lies told as absolute truth by holohuggers. It is clearly impossible to 
> have more survivors alive in 1945 than there were Jews in Europe.
>
> In a larger context we can look at the distribution of Jews in Europe 
> during WWII and at its maximum expansion only 3 to 4 million Jews lived 
> under Nazi rule. Taking the official number of one million without 
> extermination of those unable to work we have every Jew who was at any 
> time under Nazi rule claiming to be a holocaust survivor.
>
> So again, who did Hitler kill? Certainly he did not kill those unable to 
> work. Also he clearly did not kill women with infants to care for else the 
> infants would have died.
>
> As Maxwell Smart might say about the extermination, Missed it by that 
> much.
>
> The more I think about this the more I think Israel should be commended 
> for putting the interests of the survivors, whomever they are defined to 
> be, ahead of their national interest in perpetrating the gas chamber and 
> extermination myths.
>
> [1] Life expectancy in 1945 was on the order of 67 years overall for 
> Europe but included unsanitary eastern Europe of about 10 years shorter 
> where most of this holocaust is supposed to have happened. However this 
> changes nothing as those who had the poor lifestyle as young adults in 
> eastern Europe would be dead before 2000 even if they had a 75 year life 
> expectancy in 1945. This 75 year life expectancy applies mainly to the 
> youngest in 1945. On average it applies to those 20 and younger in 1945.
>
> [2] The first approximation rule of demographics is there an equal number 
> in all age groups. To make it easy, say the population is 75 million. That 
> would mean 1 million aged 0-1, 1 million age 1-2 and so forth up to 1 
> million aged 74-75. Of course no population is a first order 
> approximation. But all the interesting aspects of demographics are 
> departures from this ideal. For purposes of this discussion the only 
> interest is the Z-shaped curve around the average life expectancy. These 
> days the Z-curve has a large number living much longer than the average 
> but in fact there is an equally large number dying before the average age. 
> If it were otherwise the average life expectancy would increase so the 
> same considerations are always true. They are kept true by moving the 
> baseline. It is also true that 75 is not good for all European countries 
> but it is close enough for this exercise.
>
> [3] In this case "close enough" means there is no official source of the 
> number rather there is a ballpark range of numbers that different groups 
> adopt as the true number.
>
> [4]
>
> 20
> -- X population-in-1945 = 1,000,000
> 75
>
>                                  75
> population-in-1945 = 1,000,000 X --
>                                  20 



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Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 00:36:50 GMT

The only spectacle on this newsgroup is you.

"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message 
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> In article ,
> Leading Revisionist Ignoramus Kurt Knoll, the Most Stupid Holocaust
> Denier of the Decade,  wrote:
>
>>No need to reply to you as a con artist you did alter what I posted. What
>>else can we expect from an con artist like you.
>
> In other words, Leading Revisionist Moron Kurt Knoll, the Village
> Idiot of Kitimat, cannot delineate these alleged "roadblocks."
>
> As usual, the moron Kurtsie Knoll is running away. Again.
>
>>"It's all a bit strange"  wrote in
>>message news:Xns99D5D4E74388DTBAnoonecarescom@194.177.96.26...
>>> "Kurt Knoll"  wrote in news:5OlUi.145526$Da.104983
>>> @pd7urf1no:
>>>
>>>> Or will there be more roadblocks ahead hindering others.
>>>
>>> What roadblocks?
>>
>>
>
>
> -- 
> "Perhaps hanging you up on a meat hook like a swine ready to be butchered
> would be better than using piano wire and instead of just cremating you
> I would cover your carcass in swine feces as a tribute to your kind and
> then incinerate your remains." (Scott Bradbury, Revisionist Scholar) 



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"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message 
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> In article <5rGdnSp21_XQVb_anZ2dnUVZ_uWlnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> El Cucui  wrote:
>>
>> wrote in message
>>news:1187674557.671553.284470@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
>
>>To paraphrase my point: The author asks all deniers, but especially
>>Robert Faurisson, to answer one question with supporting evidence.
>
>>Just give me one proof, one single proof, that there was a concerted
>>effort by a group of people or an organization (i.e. a conspiracy) to
>>create a 'hoax' known as the Holocaust.
>
> The only folks I know of that promulgate this "hoax" nonsense are
> the vitriolic racists known as Holocaust deniers.
>
> The rest of the civilized world has known the truth for more than 50 
> years.


The rest of the CIVILIZED world is the clue here as most of the world could 
careless about Holocaust as they have their own genocides and holocausts in 
Africa, China and middle east.
As far as European History thought in European countries that is approved by 
the Education Department, teaches the real cause and effect of work camps. 
As a matter of fact, the word Holocaust is not used in official accepted 
History Books. The word Holocaust is used mostly in media who popularized 
that word in 1960s during Adolf Eichmann trial.

>
> -- 
> "You Jewish witches sure are a crazy ditzy bunch of swine!"
> (Scott Bradbury, the Leading Revisionist Scholar of
> Bellville, Texas)
> The Nizkor Project:                    http://www.nizkor.org/


 



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"Protagonist"  wrote in message 
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> Makes me wonder who controls what?
> Same happened to me once, when I wrote a review on a Holohoax  movie.
> I got a warning from Yahoo that they would cancel my account.
> If you go to Yahoo movies review, many people write bad review with dirty, 
> filthy words, no problem.
> Once Jews get criticized, net police rolls in action!
> JS

Wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't Mr. McVay sending complains to Yahoo as 
he did with me. Apparently he sent 25 complaints I am sure he didn't do it 
alone and had recruited his buddies to sent complains
Mr. McVay when he can't win an argument will get rid of you just so he won't 
have to debate you. Great tactic but also shows Mr. McVay's weakness' and 
decisiveness'.


>
>
> Ole Irish wrote:
>> Holocaust Denial Movie --Banned at Youtube
>> I had 30 episodes of this movie on Youtube. All were deleted by Youtube 
>> staff due to "inappropriate content." My other video "Nazi Shrunken 
>> Heads" was also deleted. If you want to see the banned youtube videos 
>> you'll have to go to my website. WARNING: DO NOT GO TO MY WEBSITE AND 
>> WATCH BANNED VIDEOS if you are under 18 or if you live in a country where 
>> holocaust denial is illegal such as Germany, France, Poland, Romania, and 
>> Belgium:
>>
>> http://www.onethirdoftheholocaust.com
>> and
>> http://www.nazishrunkenheads.com
>>
>> This is the beginning of a 4 hour and 15 minute movie called "One Third 
>> Of The Holocaust." In 30 episodes. It is on the subject of holocaust 
>> denial but only regarding 3 camps: Treblinka, Sobibor, and Belzec, which 
>> together make up more alleged deaths than Auschwitz.
>>
>> There is a Youtube appeal process for people like me who have had videos 
>> removed, and I appealed a couple episodes and lost. However I appealed 
>> the deletion of this episode and I won. So it was put back up on youtube. 
>> My guess is I won because I don't actually deny the holocaust in this 
>> episode, I only deny the credibility of a certain witness. Now that it's 
>> been put back, my star rating is lowered. It was 4 the day it was 
>> removed. The day it's put back, nearly a month later, it's 3 stars. And 
>> now it says "favorited 0 times" and before it had been "favorited" a lot 
>> of times. So due to this unfair handicap, this video is buried in the 
>> search results whereas before it used to come up in the top of the search 
>> results. One of the new leaders in the search results for "holocaust 
>> denial" is "Response to Islamofascist Holocaust Denial" which unbeknown 
>> to anyone viewing it, is a movie made by the allied Psych Warfare 
>> department directed by Sidney Bernstein.
>>
>> Youtube refers videomakers to the "Terms of Use" and "Community 
>> Guidelines" where the rules are all supposedly spelled out. Except I read 
>> both documents and they say nothing about holocaust denial. Take my 
>> episode "Readers Digest" an episode where I look at an article in that 
>> magazine, Reader's Digest, that is a favorite in the senior citizen 
>> community. But with all the crazy videos you've seen on youtube, my 
>> Reader's Digest episode got deleted. It was a rare pairing of 
>> "Inappropriate Content" with "Reader's Digest." LOL.
>>
>> I had an episode called "engine exhaust" and painstakingly made 
>> animations of molecules like carbon monoxide. 350 comments were posted 
>> and, to me, showed the video couldn't be refuted. All gone. Deleted by 
>> youtube for "inappropriate content."
>>
>> My most popular episodes were "water well" and "haircut." They were 
>> deleted.
>>
>> There's not a lot of holocaust denial content on youtube because youtube 
>> censors that. I saw a great excerpt from a David Irving speech put up by 
>> someone else. It's gone.
>>
>> I don't really mention Hitler in my movie. And people wonder what my 
>> views are about Hitler. I'm very critical of him. Invasion of Poland and 
>> agreement to split it with the USSR? Terrible. Take over of Czech 
>> Republic? Terrible. Attack on the USSR? Terrible. People think the Nazis 
>> attacked the USSR to fight communism. But the Nazis weren't fighting 
>> communism: They were fighting the people that communism put on the front 
>> lines. Now to WW I: When I read parts of Mein Kampf and saw that Hitler 
>> was pro WWI, I couldn't disagree more. I agreed with the Jews Hitler 
>> mentioned who were against WWI! In contrast to Hitler, I would have been 
>> against the patriotism that led to World War 1 just like I'm against the 
>> blind patriotism that led to the US invasion of Iraq. Anyway, my movie 
>> isn't about this, but a lot of people are curious.
>>
>> I used to have 4 hours and 45 minutes of original video content on 
>> youtube. I now have have around minutes. I have 2 videos up. I used to 
>> have 31. But even that doesn't matter, because they're both buried in the 
>> search engine ratings, whereas they used to be on top. Due to youtube 
>> censorship, I can't really get my views out on youtube anymore.
>>
>> Youtube isn't the only one that censors for holocaust denial. I tried to 
>> put a classified ad in the UC Berkeley Daily Californian newspaper. The 
>> paper of the university famous for the 1960's free speech movement. It 
>> was an ad that just asked for rebuttals to my movie. They wouldn't let 
>> me. Neither would MIT. More on that on my website in the "rebuttals" 
>> section.
>>
>> If you're in the classroom or in front of the t.v. you might hear, with a 
>> dismissing wave of a hand, what holocaust deniers believe, and how 
>> ridiculous their beliefs are. But they won't really tell you what we 
>> really believe. They won't be communicating to you anything like what's 
>> found in my movie.
>>
>> It's interesting that a belief that justifies massive military aid to a 
>> certain country in the mideast, is so protected by censorship.
>>
>> --Denierbud
>> --August 2007
>>
>> 


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 wrote in message 
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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIIxAfw1028
>
> http://www.erichufschmid.net/
>

Auschwitz was a very fancy death camps with kitchen facilities, bathrooms, 
music bands, barber, personal lockers and mail. I mean if you were sent to 
death, Germans during WW2 loved to spend money on prisoners who were 
apparently there to be executed.  Not to mention prisoners were allowed to 
roam 24/7 and even had a photographer come in and take pictures. 



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"Protagonist"  wrote in message 
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> Makes me wonder who controls what?
> Same happened to me once, when I wrote a review on a Holohoax  movie.
> I got a warning from Yahoo that they would cancel my account.
> If you go to Yahoo movies review, many people write bad review with dirty, 
> filthy words, no problem.
> Once Jews get criticized, net police rolls in action!
> JS

Wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't Mr. McVay sending complains to Yahoo as 
he did with me. Apparently he sent 25 complaints I am sure he didn't do it 
alone and had recruited his buddies to sent complains
Mr. McVay when he can't win an argument will get rid of you just so he won't 
have to debate you. Great tactic but also shows Mr. McVay's weakness' and 
decisiveness'.


>
>
> Ole Irish wrote:
>> Holocaust Denial Movie --Banned at Youtube
>> I had 30 episodes of this movie on Youtube. All were deleted by Youtube 
>> staff due to "inappropriate content." My other video "Nazi Shrunken 
>> Heads" was also deleted. If you want to see the banned youtube videos 
>> you'll have to go to my website. WARNING: DO NOT GO TO MY WEBSITE AND 
>> WATCH BANNED VIDEOS if you are under 18 or if you live in a country where 
>> holocaust denial is illegal such as Germany, France, Poland, Romania, and 
>> Belgium:
>>
>> http://www.onethirdoftheholocaust.com
>> and
>> http://www.nazishrunkenheads.com
>>
>> This is the beginning of a 4 hour and 15 minute movie called "One Third 
>> Of The Holocaust." In 30 episodes. It is on the subject of holocaust 
>> denial but only regarding 3 camps: Treblinka, Sobibor, and Belzec, which 
>> together make up more alleged deaths than Auschwitz.
>>
>> There is a Youtube appeal process for people like me who have had videos 
>> removed, and I appealed a couple episodes and lost. However I appealed 
>> the deletion of this episode and I won. So it was put back up on youtube. 
>> My guess is I won because I don't actually deny the holocaust in this 
>> episode, I only deny the credibility of a certain witness. Now that it's 
>> been put back, my star rating is lowered. It was 4 the day it was 
>> removed. The day it's put back, nearly a month later, it's 3 stars. And 
>> now it says "favorited 0 times" and before it had been "favorited" a lot 
>> of times. So due to this unfair handicap, this video is buried in the 
>> search results whereas before it used to come up in the top of the search 
>> results. One of the new leaders in the search results for "holocaust 
>> denial" is "Response to Islamofascist Holocaust Denial" which unbeknown 
>> to anyone viewing it, is a movie made by the allied Psych Warfare 
>> department directed by Sidney Bernstein.
>>
>> Youtube refers videomakers to the "Terms of Use" and "Community 
>> Guidelines" where the rules are all supposedly spelled out. Except I read 
>> both documents and they say nothing about holocaust denial. Take my 
>> episode "Readers Digest" an episode where I look at an article in that 
>> magazine, Reader's Digest, that is a favorite in the senior citizen 
>> community. But with all the crazy videos you've seen on youtube, my 
>> Reader's Digest episode got deleted. It was a rare pairing of 
>> "Inappropriate Content" with "Reader's Digest." LOL.
>>
>> I had an episode called "engine exhaust" and painstakingly made 
>> animations of molecules like carbon monoxide. 350 comments were posted 
>> and, to me, showed the video couldn't be refuted. All gone. Deleted by 
>> youtube for "inappropriate content."
>>
>> My most popular episodes were "water well" and "haircut." They were 
>> deleted.
>>
>> There's not a lot of holocaust denial content on youtube because youtube 
>> censors that. I saw a great excerpt from a David Irving speech put up by 
>> someone else. It's gone.
>>
>> I don't really mention Hitler in my movie. And people wonder what my 
>> views are about Hitler. I'm very critical of him. Invasion of Poland and 
>> agreement to split it with the USSR? Terrible. Take over of Czech 
>> Republic? Terrible. Attack on the USSR? Terrible. People think the Nazis 
>> attacked the USSR to fight communism. But the Nazis weren't fighting 
>> communism: They were fighting the people that communism put on the front 
>> lines. Now to WW I: When I read parts of Mein Kampf and saw that Hitler 
>> was pro WWI, I couldn't disagree more. I agreed with the Jews Hitler 
>> mentioned who were against WWI! In contrast to Hitler, I would have been 
>> against the patriotism that led to World War 1 just like I'm against the 
>> blind patriotism that led to the US invasion of Iraq. Anyway, my movie 
>> isn't about this, but a lot of people are curious.
>>
>> I used to have 4 hours and 45 minutes of original video content on 
>> youtube. I now have have around minutes. I have 2 videos up. I used to 
>> have 31. But even that doesn't matter, because they're both buried in the 
>> search engine ratings, whereas they used to be on top. Due to youtube 
>> censorship, I can't really get my views out on youtube anymore.
>>
>> Youtube isn't the only one that censors for holocaust denial. I tried to 
>> put a classified ad in the UC Berkeley Daily Californian newspaper. The 
>> paper of the university famous for the 1960's free speech movement. It 
>> was an ad that just asked for rebuttals to my movie. They wouldn't let 
>> me. Neither would MIT. More on that on my website in the "rebuttals" 
>> section.
>>
>> If you're in the classroom or in front of the t.v. you might hear, with a 
>> dismissing wave of a hand, what holocaust deniers believe, and how 
>> ridiculous their beliefs are. But they won't really tell you what we 
>> really believe. They won't be communicating to you anything like what's 
>> found in my movie.
>>
>> It's interesting that a belief that justifies massive military aid to a 
>> certain country in the mideast, is so protected by censorship.
>>
>> --Denierbud
>> --August 2007
>>
>> 


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"Protagonist"  wrote in message 
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> >>>Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
> > WE control YOU, dimwitted liar.
> > Live with it. We own you, we control you, we pull your strings.
> > ....all the while, we laugh at your inate stupidity.<<<<
>
> McVay watching too much Star Wars movies.
> He went to the dark side now,  really!
>
> http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/us/sch/cn/vid/img/halloween-dogs.jpg
> JS


You will  need to answer Mr. McVay's questions first.  And then Mr. McVay's 
must approve your answers, otherwise you are back at square one. 



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"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message 
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> In article ,
> El Cucui  wrote:
>>There were five million Jews under Nazi control at the height of their
>>power. After the war, three million applied for compensation. 
>>Unfortunately,
>>the other six million were killed.
>
> Strange, then, that the Nazis themselves estimated that 11,000,000 Jews 
> would
> fall under their control, isn't it?
>
> http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/places/germany/wannsee/wannsee-english.html


It isn't strange at all, I believe the correct number was 11,500,041.

>
> -- 
> "Since all you knowledge is coming out of your holocaust
> Fairydale book I will not your naivety holding against
> you." (K. Knoll, Leading Revisionist Scholar)
> The Nizkor Project:                    http://www.nizkor.org/ 



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"TurkeyBoy"  wrote in message 
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> STALIN'S JEWS - Opinion from Israel, Ynetnews
>
> http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0%2C7340%2CL-3342999%2C00.html
>
> 12-21-6 Excerpts only...
>
> "We mustn't forget that some of greatest murderers of modern times
> were Jewish.

We already forgot. It is not being thought in modern western countries and 
only through internet media we are still aware of Jewish atrocities.


>
> We cannot know with certainty the number of deaths Cheka was
> responsible for in its various manifestations, but the number is
> surely at least 20 million, including victims of the forced
> collectivization, the hunger, large purges, expulsions, banishments,
> executions, and mass death at Gulags.
>
> Whole population strata were eliminated: Independent farmers, ethnic
> minorities, members of the bourgeoisie, senior officers,
> intellectuals, artists, labor movement activists, "opposition members"
> who were defined completely randomly, and countless members of the
> Communist party itself.
>
> And us, the Jews? An Israeli student finishes high school without ever
> hearing the name "Genrikh Yagoda," the greatest Jewish murderer of the
> 20th Century, the GPU's deputy commander and the founder and commander
> of the NKVD. Yagoda diligently implemented Stalin's collectivization
> orders and is responsible for the deaths of at least 10 million
> people. His Jewish deputies established and managed the Gulag system.
> After Stalin no longer viewed him favorably, Yagoda was demoted and
> executed, and was replaced as chief hangman in 1936 by Yezhov, the
> 'bloodthirsty dwarf'."
>
>
> On Oct 28, 5:05 am, kmc...@shell.vex.net (Kenneth McVay OBC) wrote:
>> [Follow-ups set]
>>
>> October 28
>>
>> 1944
>>
>> Anne Frank and her older sister Margot are deported from
>> Auschwitz-Birkenau to Bergen-Belsen concentration camp,
>> arriving on October 30. Both later die from typhus in Bergen-
>> Belsen shortly before liberation. (USHMM, 1994, p. 65)
>>
>> Raoul Wallenberg appears at Jozefvros freight station, where
>> a transport of Budapest Jews is being loaded for
>> deportation. He successfully demands the release of all
>> those holding Swedish protective passes. During the forced
>> marches of Jews from Budapest in the coming weeks,
>> Wallenberg manages to save a number of Jews holding Swedish
>> protective passes. (Ibid.)
>>
>> According to [SS Brigadier General] Veesenmayer, as of March
>> 19, 1942, there were approximately 800,000 Jews in Hungary.
>> Of these, 430,000 have been deported by October 28, 1944,
>> 150,000 are in Jewish labor battalions, and 200,000 remains
>> in Budapest. (Ibid.)
>>
>> October 28 - November 1
>>
>> Dora, previously a subcamp of Buchenwald, becomes an
>> independent concentration camp known as Dora-Mittelbau, with
>> 32,532 prisoners and twenty-three satellite camps. (USHMM, 1994, p. 65)
>>
>>                          Work Cited
>>
>> USHMM (United States Holocaust Memorial Museum). Fifty
>>    Years Ago: Darkness Before Dawn: Days of Remembrance, April
>>    3-10, 1994. Washington, D.C.: 1994
>> --
>> "But I was not diagnosed as 'morbidly obese' you evil
>> kike and you are perpetuating a lie started by your
>> fellow filthy kike hook nosed vermin named ..."
>> (Scott Bradbury, Bellville's Leading Revisionist Scholar)
>
> 


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"Protagonist"  wrote in message 
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> TurkeyBoy wrote:
>> STALIN'S JEWS - Opinion from Israel, Ynetnews
>>
>> http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0%2C7340%2CL-3342999%2C00.html
>>
>> 12-21-6 Excerpts only...
>>
>>  "We mustn't forget that some of greatest murderers of modern times
>> were Jewish.
>>
>> We cannot know with certainty the number of deaths Cheka was
>> responsible for in its various manifestations, but the number is
>> surely at least 20 million, including victims of the forced
>> collectivization, the hunger, large purges, expulsions, banishments,
>> executions, and mass death at Gulags.
>>
>> Whole population strata were eliminated: Independent farmers, ethnic
>> minorities, members of the bourgeoisie, senior officers,
>> intellectuals, artists, labor movement activists, "opposition members"
>> who were defined completely randomly, and countless members of the
>> Communist party itself.
>>
>> And us, the Jews? An Israeli student finishes high school without ever
>> hearing the name "Genrikh Yagoda," the greatest Jewish murderer of the
>> 20th Century, the GPU's deputy commander and the founder and commander
>> of the NKVD. Yagoda diligently implemented Stalin's collectivization
>> orders and is responsible for the deaths of at least 10 million
>> people. His Jewish deputies established and managed the Gulag system.
>> After Stalin no longer viewed him favorably, Yagoda was demoted and
>> executed, and was replaced as chief hangman in 1936 by Yezhov, the
>> 'bloodthirsty dwarf'."
>
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071027/wl_nm/ukraine_massacre_dc
>
> Ukraine reburies 2,000 victims of Stalin's rule Sat Oct 27, 1:15 PM ET
>
>
>
> Ukraine on Saturday reburied some 2,000 people killed by the Soviet secret 
> police over several years up to the Second World War and left in mass 
> graves at a site near the capital.
>
> The 1,998 bodies, 474 of which were Poles, were dug up earlier this year 
> at in Bykovnya, a village and woods in the suburbs were Ukranian officials 
> believe some 30,000 could have been buried during the 1930s and early 
> 1940s.
>
> The mass graves were filled with people -- others estimate up to 
> 100,000 -- that were tortured and shot by the dreaded NKVD, a precursor to 
> the KGB, during Stalin's repressive and violent rule in the run up to the 
> Russia's Great Patriotic War.
>
> "I was 8 years old. It was just three of us, father, mother and me. And 
> they took him," Maria Marzhetska said of the father who was seized by the 
> NKVD in 1937. "They said for 10 years he wouldn't write (home)."
>
> "Every morning, every evening we were at the police station," she said. 
> But she only found out his fate 60 years later.
>
> In the sombre ceremony which was attended by a hundred or so people, 
> simple red coffins, some draped with flags, were lowered one by one into 
> the ground and blessed by a priest. Relatives and officials prayed by 
> their side.
>
> Under Communist rule, the existence of mass graves filled with the victims 
> of Stalin's rule was denied and it was only in the 1990s that it was 
> acknowledged and a memorial was built.
>
> Polish historians and officials believe that several thousand Polish 
> soldiers and officers that were captured as Russia encroached Polish lands 
> to defeat the Nazis were buried there, like the estimated 15,000 massacred 
> near the Katyn woods.
>
> "This is a very important place for Poles because it is ... linked with 
> Katyn," said Andrzej Przewoznik, general secretary of Poland's Council for 
> the Protection of Monuments to Struggle and Martyrdom.
>
> "This is a place where we would like the Polish (Catholic) cross and 
> Polish memories of those people resting in the Bykovnya forest to be."


Good thing Jewish leaders weren't aware of these mass graves, otherwise it 
would be 'investigated' as part of Holocaust. 



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"Mighty Thor"  wrote in message 
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> THE BIGGEST SECRET 9/11, 7/7 and ("Operation Iraqi Freedom"? ) I want
> you all to think about:
> We all know that 9 of the 19 Alleged hijckers are alive "Tracking the
> 19 Hijackers What are they up to now?
> At least 9 of them survived 9/11"
> Look at it: welfarestate(dot)com/911/
>
> Yes even Several Israelis have confirmed that the hijacker's voice is
> Israeli. The official claim that it is the Egyptian Atta is false.
> Egyptians who learn English in high school like Atta would have a
> specific accent and a lively flow (with added vowels like Italian).
> Also, Atta cannot have a German/Yiddish "r" sound. The hijacker does."
>
>
> The Hijacker of Flight 11 was an Israeli who believed that he was
> being landed safely. He was watching the frightened passengers and
> telling them to "please" calm down.
> For the glory of Israel. If not Lewin, another Israeli, or an Israeli
> art student's voice from the ground.
>
>
> You know it the same story as with the What about the Anthrax Letters
> that were NOT sent by an Arab Muslim but by a Jewish gentleman with
> the intent to FRAME an Arab Muslim strongly suggests that the entire
> sequence of recent events has been one frame-up.
> That would explain why the US Government is itself classifying
> evidence that links some of the arrested Israeli spies.
>
>
> Yes and we know about the 5 dancing Isrealis on 9/11 dressed as Arabs
> (Mossad guys) with all the money and box cutters and the bombsniffing
> dogs found bombs in the Mover-van. And then the other car that was
> parkted at Washington brigde full of bombs on 9/11?
>
>
> Yes Israelis
> Well and Mossad with van of explosive on 9/11?
> Reports from New York are saying three people have been arrested with
> a van of explosives.
> The van was stopped along the New Jersey turn-pike near the George
> Washington Bridge.
> It was not clear why police stopped the van but when they did they
> found it was laden down with tonnes of explosives."
> Breaking News. ie or breakingnews/2001/09/12/story23429.asp
>
>
> Yes we know "By way of desception"(Mossad) "Mossad warned CIA of
> attacks reportn By Douglas Davis"
> "a few weeks before September 11, but the federal goverment says that
> the warning was for attacks outside the United States"
>
>
> YES Mossad disinformation: "the warning was for attacks outside the
> United States"
> And Israli agents came to US from Israel and were set up at the WTC
> ahead filming and celebrating.
>
>
> Yes Israelis made "millions of dollars."
> Between August 26 and September 11, 2001, a group of speculators,
> identified by the American Securities and Exchange Commission as
> Israeli citizens, sold "short" a list of 38 stocks that could
> reasonably be expected to fall in value as a result of the pending
> attacks. These speculators operated out of the Toronto, Canada and
> Frankfurt, Germany, stock exchanges and their profits were
> specifically stated to be "in the millions of dollars."
>
>
> Odigo had its U.S. headquarters two blocks from the WTC. The Odigo
> employees, however, did not pass the warning on to the authorities in
> New York City, a move that could have saved thousands of lives."
> Yes and the Zionist Jews (Mossad) at Odigo knew The Talmud (i.e., the
> Babylonian Talmud) text of Sanhedrin 37a restricts the duty to save
> life to saving only Jewish lives.
>
>
> After the 7/7 bombing in London we saw something so similar as happen
> on 9/11 in NY, YES the ICTS security company(MOSSAD) to do with the
> underground trains in London and YES the same ICTS security
> company(Mossad) to do with all the Airports on 9/11 in USA. And in
> London on 7/7 and on 9/11 had also drills and then hidden bombes.
> Well
> you know about 200 Mossad guys that had to go. And yes the Israel
> minister lied to the media since the police never phoned him.
> At the London bombing 7/7 the bus went different way and even blew up
> in front of the ICTS building (Mossad). Well and we even had a fake
> guy (Mossad) that came out from nowhere already with bandages on.
>
>
> And what about fake Video tape of Bin Laden made by Adam Gaddahn
> (Mossad)?
> And what is going on CNN ( or Zionist Z NN) Why don't they mentions
> his name Adam Gaddahn or anything about MOSSAD, why that? And why did
> they not say anything about the old fake Bin Laden Tape (nov 2001)?
>
>
> Mossad and its American associates are the obvious culprits.
> I think we have all heard about Larry Silverstein, but they are many
> out there like Jacob "Kobi" Alexander (Mossad), the Israeli founder of
> Comverse Technology escaped to Israel with at least $57 million, and
> another Mossad guy escaped with $12 million and we migth soon hear
> more in the news.
>
>
> And what about Operation Shekhmah
> a.k.a "Operation Iraqi Freedom"?
> Israel as "New Rotterdam" and Israel is going to sell oil taken from
> control Iraq ?
> The Oil from Iraq that Jews are going to sell, yes Oil from Mosul,
> Kirkuk(Iraq ,US control) and also from the other oil pipeline Rumallah
> (Iraq and also under US control).
> Yes the old Zionist pentagon plan to get USA into war with Iraq and
> then Oil as well for, yes Israel
>
>
> Also Mossad is, now working so hard and bombing all the pipelines
> exept the on to Israel!
> "By way of desception"?
> "THE ANSAR al-Sunna, or Army of the Protection of the Sunna, is fake
> Sunni (MOSSAD) extremist group, said to be linked with al-Qaeda.
> These
> are the ones said to behind beheadings, executions and bombings."
> "The IDF pits Marines against Sunnis, Shiites against Sunnis, Kurds
> against both, and so on" Says a reporter who was working on this and
> was killed
>
>
> Fell free to use this info or send it
> Thorsteinn
>

Thanks for sharing such great write up. Finally someone took some time and 
wrote about what European intelligence agencies had knew all along. It made 
its way into European media years ago, yet American media intentionally 
failed to pick that story up. Perhaps this simple write up will educate 
American citizens on what is really happening. 



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"Colonel Sanders"  wrote in message 
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> WAS HITLER A ROTHSCHILD?
> By David Icke
> Official history is merely a veil to hide the truth of what really
> happened. When the veil is lifted, again and again we see that not
> only is the official version not true, it is often 100% wrong.
> Take the Rothschilds, the bloodline formerly known, among other names,
> as the Bauers, one of the most notorious black occult bloodlines of
> Middle Ages Germany. It became known as Rothschild (red-shield or
> rotes-schild in German) in the 18th century when a financial dynasty
> was founded in Frankfurt by Mayer Amschel Rothschild working in league
> with the Illuminati House of Hesse and others. They took their name
> from the red shield or hexagram/Star of David on the front of their
> house in Frankfurt. The Star of David or Seal of Solomon is an ancient
> esoteric symbol and only became associated with Jewish people after
> the Rothschilds adopted it for themselves. It has absolutely no
> connection to "David" or "Solomon", as Jewish historical sources
> confirm. The Rothschilds are one of the top Illuminati bloodlines on
> the planet and they are shape-shifting reptilians (see The Biggest
> Secret).
> Guy de Rothschild, of the French House, heads this bloodline dynasty
> today. He is one of the most grotesque exponents of trauma-based mind
> control, indeed the top man according to many of those who have
> suffered mercilessly under his torture. I am always loath to use the
> world evil, but if evil is the reverse of live, Guy de Rothschild is
> thoroughly evil. He stands for the opposite of life. He has been
> personally responsible for the torture and death of millions of
> children and adults, either directly or through those he controls. He
> conducts satanic rituals, as all these bloodlines have always done,
> and goodness knows how many human sacrifices he has been involved in.
> If what I am saying is wrong, Guy de Rothschild, then take me to court
> and lets reveal the evidence. You are a multi-billionaire and you
> control the courts and the media. I have next to nothing. I should,
> therefore, be a pushover. So come on, Mr. Rothschild, lets have you.
> Lets take these claims into the public arena and have you and me in
> the witness box. Make my day.
> Already I can hear the clamor gathering to condemn me as "anti-
> semitic" because the Rothschilds claim to be "Jewish." Organisations
> like the Anti-Defamation League and B'nai B'rith have already made
> strenuous efforts to label me in this way for exposing the Rothschilds
> and to stop me speaking in public. (See elsewhere on this website) How
> funny then that both organisations were created by, and continue to be
> bankrolled by, the Rothschilds. Just a co-incidence, nothing to worry
> about. B'nai Brith means, appropriately, "Sons of the Alliance" and
> was established by the Rothschilds in 1843 as an intelligence arm and
> to defame and destroy legitimate researchers with the label "anti
> semitic." Many of their speakers openly supported slavery during the
> American Civil War and today they 1
> seek to condemn some black leaders as "anti-semitic" or "racist! Every
> year, the Anti Defamation League award their "Torch of Liberty" (the
> classic Illuminati symbol) to the person they believe has served their
> cause the most. One year they gave it to Morris Dalitz, an intimate of
> the notorious Meyer Lansky crime syndicate which terrorised America.
> Perfect choice.
> Of course, the strength of feeling that fans the flames of
> condemnation against anyone dubbed "anti-semitic" today is the
> sickening persecution of Jewish people by the Nazis of Adolf Hitler.
> To expose or question the actions of the Rothschilds or any other
> Jewish person or organisation is to be called a "nazi" and "anti-
> semitic", that all-encompassing label which has discredited so many
> researchers and stopped them having the opportunity to speak in public
> because of protest by unthinking robot radicals and the refusal of
> venues to host their meetings. I have had this from time to time, not
> least in eastern Canada thanks to a campaign by B'nai B'rith and the
> Anti-Defamation League (which spends it's entire time trying to defame
> people). Both organisations, I repeat, are Rothschild created and
> controlled.
> How strange then, that as I have documented in And The Truth Shall Set
> You Free and The Biggest Secret, along with endless other researchers
> and scholars, Adolf Hitler and the Nazis were created and funded by...
> the Rothschilds. It was they who arranged for Hitler to come to power
> through the Illuminati secret societies in Germany like the Thule
> Society and the Vril Society which they created through their German
> networks; it was the Rothschilds who funded Hitler through the Bank of
> England and other British and American sources like the Rothschild's
> Kuhn, Loeb, bank which also funded the Russian Revolution.
> The very heart of Hitler's war machine was the chemical giant, I.G.
> Farben, which had an American arm that was controlled by the
> Rothschilds through their lackeys, the Warburgs. Paul Warburg, who
> manipulated into existence the privately-owned "central bank" of
> America, the Federal Reserve, in 1913, was on the board of American
> I.G. Indeed Hitler's I.G. Farben, which ran the slave labour camp at
> Auchwitz, was, in reality, a division of Standard Oil, officially
> owned by the Rockefellers, but in truth the Rockefeller empire was
> funded into existence by...the Rothschilds. See And The Truth Shall Set
> You Free and The Biggest Secret for the detailed background of this
> and other aspects of this story. The Rothschilds also owned the German
> news agencies during both World Wars and thus controlled the flow of
> "information" to Germans and the outside world. Incidentally, when
> Allied troops entered Germany they found that the I.G. Farben
> factories, the very core of Hitler's war operation, had not been hit
> by the mass bombing and neither had Ford factories - another
> Illuminati supporter of Hitler. Other factories nearby had been
> demolished by bombing raids.
> So the force behind Adolf Hitler, on behalf of the Illuminati, was the
> House of Rothschild, this "Jewish" bloodline which claims to support
> and protect the Jewish faith and people. In fact they use and
> sickeningly abuse the Jewish people for their own horrific ends. The
> Rothschilds, like the Illuminati in general, treat the mass of the
> Jewish people with utter
> 2
> contempt. They are, like the rest of the global population, just
> cattle to be used to advance the agenda of global control and mastery
> by a network of interbreeding bloodlines, impregnated with a reptilian
> genetic code, and known to researchers as the Illuminati.
> Indeed, the Illuminati are so utterly obsessed with bloodline, because
> of this reptilian genetic code, that there was no way that someone
> like Hitler would come to power in those vital circumstances for the
> Illuminati, unless he was of the reptilian bloodline. If you look
> elsewhere on this website you will see how the same bloodline has held
> the positions of royal, aristocratic, financial, political, military,
> and media power in the world for literally thousands of years. This is
> the bloodline that has produced ALL 42 of the Presidents of the United
> States since and including George Washington in 1789. It is the
> bloodline of the runaway favourite to win the 2000 election, George W.
> Bush. The World War Two leaders, Roosevelt, Churchill, and Stalin,
> were of the bloodline and also Freemasons and Satanists. They were
> manipulated into office, and their country's war effort funded, by the
> Rothschilds and the other Illuminati bloodlines.
> So are we to believe, therefore, that although this same group
> provably funded Adolf Hitler's rise to power and his war machine, that
> he would be the odd one out, a leader of crucial importance to the
> agenda who was NOT bloodline?
> But hold on. Hitler couldn't be the same bloodline as, say, the
> Rothschilds because, as we all know, the Rothschilds are defenders of
> Jewish people and Hitler slaughtered them, along with communists and
> gypsies and others who opposed him or he wanted to eliminate. The
> Rothschilds are Jewish, they'd never do that.
> Oh really.
> According to a book by a psychoanalyst, Walter Langer, called The Mind
> of Hitler, not only was Hitler supported by the Rothschilds, he WAS a
> Rothschild. This revelation fits like a glove with the actions of the
> Rothschilds and other Illuminati bloodlines in Germany who brought
> Hitler to the fore as dictator of that nation. He was also supported
> by the British Royal Family, the House of Windsor (in truth the German
> House of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha), and these included the British royal "war
> hero", Lord Mountbatten, a Rothschild and a Satanist. Their royal
> relatives in Germany, who you would never have thought would normally
> support an apparent guy from the street like Hitler, were among his
> most enthusiastic supporters. But, of course, they knew who he really
> was. There is no way in the world when you do any study of the
> Illuminati obsession with bloodline that Hitler would not have been
> one of them. Langer writes:
> "Adolf's father, Alois Hitler, was the illegitimate son of Maria Anna
> Schicklgruber. It was generally supposed that the father of Alois
> Hitler (Schicklgruber) was Johann Georg Hiedler.There are some people
> who seriously doubt that Johann Georg Hiedler was the father of Alois...
> (an Austrian document was) prepared that proved Maria Anna
> Schicklgruber was living in Vienna at the time she conceived. At that
> time she was employed as a servant in the home of Baron Rothschild. As
> soon as the family discovered her pregnancy she was sent back
> home..where Alois was born."
> 3
> Langer's information came from the high level gestapo officer,
> Hansjurgen Koehler, published in 1940, under the title "Inside the
> Gestapo". He writes about the investigations into Hitler's background
> carried out by the Austrian Chancellor, Dolfuss, in the family files
> of Hitler.
> Koehler actually viewed a copy of the Dolfuss documents which were
> given to him by Heydrich, the overlord of the Nazi Secret Service. The
> file, he wrote, "caused such havoc as no file in the world ever caused
> before" (Inside the Gestapo, p 143). He also revealed that:
> "..The second bundle in the blue file contained the documents
> collected by Dolfuss. The small statured, but big-hearted Austrian
> Chancellor must have known by such a personal file he might be able to
> check Hitler...His task was not difficult; as ruler of Austria he could
> easily find out about the personal data and family of Adolf Hitler,
> who had been born on Austrian soil...Through the original birth
> certificates, police registration cards, protocols, etc., all
> contained in the original file, the Austrian Chancellor succeeded in
> piecing together the disjointed parts of the puzzle, creating a more
> or less logical entity..
> A little servant girl... (Hitler's mother)...came to Vienna and became a
> domestic servant, mostly working for rather rich families. But she was
> unlucky; having been seduced, she was about to bear a child. She went
> home to her village for her confinement...Where was the little maid
> serving in Vienna? This was not a very difficult problem. Very early
> Vienna had instituted the system of compulsory police registration.
> Both servants and the employers were exposed to heavy fines if they
> neglected this duty. Chancellor Dolfuss managed to discover the
> registration card. The little, innocent maid had been a servant at the...
> Rothschild mansion. ..and Hitler's unknown grandfather must be
> probably looked for in this magnificent house. The Dolfuss file
> stopped at this statement."
> Was Hitler's determination to take over Austria anything to do with
> his desire to destroy records of his lineage?
> A correspondent who has extensively researched this subject writes:
> "It appears to me that Hitler knew about his connection long before
> his Chancellorship. Like his father before him, when the going got
> rough, the Hitlers went to Vienna. Hitler's father left his home
> village at an early age to seek his fortune in Vienna. When Hitler was
> orphaned, after his mother died in December of 1907, he left for
> Vienna not long after the funeral. There he seemed to drop out of
> sight for ten months! What happened during this ten-month stay in
> Vienna is a complete mystery on which history sheds no light. It makes
> sense, now that it has become established that Hitler was a
> Rothschild, that he and his cousins were getting aquainted, and his
> potentiall for future family endeavors was being sized up".
> 4
> The Rothschilds and the Illuminati produce many offspring out of
> wedlock in their secret breeding programmes and these children are
> brought up under other names with other parents. Like Bill Clinton,
> who is almost certainly a Rockefeller produced in the same way, these
> "ordinary kids from ordinary backgrounds" go on to be extraordinarily
> successful in their chosen field. Hitler, too, would have produced
> unofficial children to maintain his strand of the bloodline and there
> will obviously be people of his bloodline alive today. So which
> Rothschild was the grandfather of Hitler? My thanks to a website
> correspondent for the additional, updated, information to this
> article, a man has researched this story in some detail. Alois,
> Hitler's father, was born in 1837 in the period when Salomon Mayer was
> the only Rothschild who lived at the Vienna mansion. Even his wife did
> not live there because their marriage was so bad and she stayed in
> Frankfurt. Their son, Anselm Salomon spent most of his working life in
> Paris and Frankfurt away from Vienna and his father..
> Father Salomon Mayer, living alone at the Vienna mansion where
> Hitler's mother worked, is the prime, most obvious candidate. And
> Hermann von Goldschmidt, the son of Salomon Mayer's senior clerk,
> wrote a book, published in 1917, which said of Salomon:
> "...by the 1840s he had developed a somewhat reckless enthusiasm for
> young girls.."
> and
> "He had a lecherous passion for very young girls, his adventures with
> whom had to be hushed up by the police."
> And Hitler's mother, a young girl working under the same roof would
> not have been the subject of Salomon's desire? And this same girl
> became pregnant while working there? And her grandson becomes the
> Chancellor of Germany, funded by the Rothschilds, and he started the
> Second World War which was so vital to the Rothschild-Illuminati
> agenda? And the Illuminati are obsessed with putting their bloodlines
> into power on all "sides" in a conflict? And the Rothschilds are one
> of their most key bloodlines? And it is all a co-incidence?
> HITLER WAS A ROTHSCHILD!!
> The Second World War was incredibly productive for the Illuminati
> agenda of global control. It led to an explosion of globally-
> centralised institutions, like the United Nations and the European
> Community, now Union, and many others in finance, business, and the
> military. Precisely what they wanted. It also put countries under an
> enormous burden of debt on loans provided to all sides by...the
> Rothschilds and the Illuminati.
> The Rothschilds had long had a plan to create a personal fiefdom for
> themselves and the Illuminati in Palestine and that plan involved
> manipulating Jewish people to settle the area as their "homeland."
> Charles Taze Russell, of the Illuminati-reptilian Russell bloodline,
> was the man who founded the Watchtower Society, better known as the
> Jehovah's
> 5
> Witnesses. He was a Satanist, a paedophile according to his wife, and
> most certainly Illuminati. His new "religion (mind-control cult) was
> funded by the Rothschilds and he was a friend of theirs, just like the
> founders of the Mormons who were also Rothschild-funded through Kuhn,
> Loeb, and Co. Russell and the Mormon founders were all Freemasons. In
> 1880, Charles Taze Russell, this friend of the Rothschilds, predicted
> that the Jews would return to their homeland. It was about the only
> prediction Russell ever got right. Why? Because he knew that was the
> plan. He wrote to the Rothschilds praising their efforts to establish
> a Jewish homeland in Palestine.
> Then, in 1917, came the famous Balfour Declaration, when the British
> Foreign Minister, Lord Balfour, stated on behalf of his government
> that they supported the creation of a Jewish homeland in Palestine.
> Now when you hear that phrase, the Balfour Declaration, you get the
> feeling that it was some kind of statement or public announcement. But
> not so.
> The Balfour declaration was a letter from Lord Balfour to...Lord Lionel
> Walter Rothschild. Researchers say that the letter was in fact WRITTEN
> by Lord Rothschild and his employee, the banker, Alfred Milner. Now
> get this. One of the most important secret societies of the 20th
> century is called the Round Table. It is based in Britain with
> branches across the world. It is the Round Table that ultimately
> orchestrates the network of the Bilderberg Group, Council on Foreign
> Relations, Trilateral Commission and the Royal Institute of
> International Affairs. See my books for details. How fascinating then,
> that Lord Balfour was an inner circle member of the Round Table,
> Alfred Milner was the Round Table's official leader after the death of
> Cecil Rhodes, and the Round Table was funded by..Lord Lionel Walter
> Rothschild. These were the very three people involved in the Balfour
> Declaration of 1917.
> Two years later, in 1919, came the Versailles Peace Conference near
> Paris when the elite of the Round Table from Britain and the United
> States, people like Alfred Milner, Edward Mandel House, and Bernard
> Baruch, were appointed to represent their countries at the meetings
> which decided how the world would be changed as a result of the war
> these same people had created. They decided to impose impossible
> reparations payments on Germany, so ensuring the collapse of the post-
> war Weimar Republic amid unbelievable ecomonic collapse and thus
> create the very circumstances that brought the Rothschild, Hitler, to
> power. It was while in Paris that these Illuminati, Round Table,
> members met at the Hotel Majestic to begin the process of creating the
> Bilderberg-CFR-RIIA-Trilateral Commission network. They also decided
> at Versailles that they now all supported the creation of a Jewish
> homeland in Palestine. As I show in my books, EVERY ONE of them was
> either a Rothschild bloodline or was controlled by them.
> The American President, Woodrow Wilson, was "advised" at Versailles by
> Colonel House and Bernard Baruch, both Rothschild clones and leaders
> of the Round Table in the United States; The British Prime Minister,
> Lloyd George, was "advised" by Alfred Milner, Rothschild employee and
> Round Table leader, and Sir Phillip Sassoon, a direct decendent of
> Mayer Amschel Rothschild, the founder of the dynasty; The French
> leader, Georges Clemenceau, was "advised" by his Minister for the
> Interior, Georges Mandel, whose real name was Jeroboam Rothschild.
> 6
> Who do you think was making the decisions here??
> But it went further. Also in the American delegation were the Dulles
> brothers, John Foster Dulles, who would become US Secretary of State,
> and Allen Dulles, who would become first head of the new CIA after
> World War Two. The Dulles brothers were bloodline, would later be
> supporters of Hitler, and were employed by the Rothschilds at Kuhn,
> Loeb, and Co. They were also involved in the assassination of John F.
> Kennedy and Allen Dulles would serve on the Warren Commission which
> investigated the assassination. The American delegation at Versailles
> was also represented by the Rothschild-controlled, Paul Warburg, of
> Kuhn, Loeb and the American branch of I.G. Farben, while the German
> delegation included his brother, Max Warburg, who would become
> Hitler's banker!! Their host in France during the "peace" conference
> was...Baron Edmond de Rothschild, the leading force at the time pressing
> for the creation of a Jewish homeland in Israel. See my books for fine
> detail.
> The Rothschilds have always been the true force behind the Zionist
> Movement. Zionism is in facr SIONism, Sion = the Sun, hence the name
> of the elite secret society behind the Merovingian bloodline, the
> Priory of Sion. Contrary to most people's understanding, Zionism is
> not the Jewish people. Many Jews are not Zionists and many non-Jews
> are. Zionism is a political movement, not a race. To say Zionism is
> the Jewish people is like saying the Democratic Party is the American
> people. Jewish people who oppose Zionism, however, have been given a
> very hard time.
> Now, having manipulated their puppet-governments to support their plan
> for a personal fiefdom in the Middle East, the Rothschilds began the
> process of settling Jewish people in Palestine. As always they treated
> their own people with contempt. Enter Baron Edmond de Rothschild, the
> "Father of Israel", who died in 1934, the man who hosted the
> Versailles "peace" delegations. Edmond was from the French House, like
> Guy de Rothschild. Edmond, in fact, began to settle Jews in Palestine
> as far back as the 1880s (when Charles Taze Russell was making his
> prediction). He financed Russian Jews to establish settlements in
> Palestine, but it was nothing to do with their freedom or birthright,
> it was to advance the Rothschild-Illuminati agenda. Edmond financed
> the creation of farms and factories and ran the whole operation with a
> rod of iron. The Jewish farmers were told what to grow and they soon
> found out who was in charge if they questioned his orders.
> In 1901, these Jewish people complained to Rothschild about this
> dictatorship over their settlement or "Yishuv". They asked him:
> "..if you wish to save the Yishuv, first take your hands from it, and...
> for once permit the colonists to have the possibility of correcting
> for themselves whatever needs correcting.."
> Baron Rothschild replied:
> "I created the Yishuv, I alone. Therefore no men, neither colonists
> nor organisations, have the right to interfere in my plans.."
> In one sentence, you have the true attitude of the Rothschilds to
> Jewish people, and indeed, the human population in general. These
> people are NOT Jews, they are a non-human
> 7
> bloodline with a reptilian genetic code who hide behind the Jewish
> people and use them as a screen and a means to an end. According to
> Simon Schama's book, Two Rothschilds and the Land of Israel (Collins,
> London, 1978), the Rothschilds acquired 80% of the land of Israel.
> Edmond de Rothschild worked closely with Theodore Herzl, who just
> happened to be the founder of Zionism, the political movement created
> to ensure a "Jewish" homeland in Palestine. Rothschild was also the
> power behind Chaim Weizmann, another leader of Zionism. As Rothschild
> told Weizmann:
> "Without me Zionism would not have succeeded, but without Zionism my
> work would have been stuck to death."
> So now with the Rothschilds increasing their financing of Jewish
> settlements in Palestine, and with their agents in governments
> officially supporting their plans for a Rothschild, sorry Jewish,
> homeland, they needed a catalyst which would demolish Arab protests at
> the take-over of their country. That catalyst was the horrific
> treatment of Jews in Germany and the countries they conquered by the
> Rothschild-funded Nazis and one of their own, a Rothschild called
> Adolf Hitler.
> The wave of revulsion at the Nazi concentration camps gave vital and,
> in the end, crucial impetus to the Rothschild agenda. It was they who
> funded the Jewish terrorist operations like the Stern Gang and Irgun,
> which committed mayhem and murder to bring the State of Rothschild
> (Israel) into being in 1948. These terrorist groups, who slaughtered
> Jewish people with equal enthusiasm, were led by the very people who
> later rose to lead the new Israel...people like Menachem Begin, David
> Ben-Gurion, Yitzhak Rabin, and Yitzhak Shamir. It was these Rothschild-
> controlled Zionist gangs who murdered the international mediator Count
> Bernadotte on September 17, 1948, apparently because he had been
> intending to present a new partition resolution to the United Nations.
> And the Rothschilds were not satisfied with causing the unimaginable
> suffering of Jewish people under the Nazis, they also stole their
> wealth when the war was over, just as they stole the Russian wealth
> during the revolution they had financed.
> In early 1998, during a speaking tour of South Africa, I had a
> personal meeting with P.W. Botha, the apartheid President of South
> Africa during the 1980s. The invitation came out of the blue when I
> was speaking a few miles from his home. We spoke for an hour and a
> half about the manipulation of South Africa and it was not long before
> names like Henry Kissinger, Lord Carrington, and the Rothschilds came
> up.
> "I had some strange dealings with the English Rothschilds in Cape Town
> when I was president", he said, and he went on to tell me a story that
> sums up the Rothschilds so perfectly. He said they had asked for a
> meeting with him and his foreign minister, the Illuminati operative,
> Pik Botha (no relation). At that meeting, he said, the Rothschilds
> told him there was massive wealth in Swiss bank accounts which once
> belonged to German Jews and it was available for investment in South
> Africa if they could agree an interest rate. This is the very wealth,
> stolen from German Jews who suffered under the Nazis, which has come
> to 8
> light amid great scandal in recent years. The Rothschilds have been
> making a fortune from it since the war!! Botha told me he refused to
> accept the money, but Pik Botha left the meeting with the Rothschilds
> and he could not be sure that they did not come to some arrangement.
> Breathtaking? Of course it is, but the world is not how we think it
> is.
> To this day the Rothschilds continue to control the State that has
> their family symbol on it's flag and it is they who use that country
> and its people to maintain the conflict, both within its borders and
> with surrounding Arab countries, which has allowed the Illuminati-
> Rothschilds to control their so called "Arc of Crisis" in the Middle
> East through divide, rule, and conquer. It has allowed them, not
> least, to control the oil-producing countries since the war when the
> oil really came on line.
> PLEASE, JEWISH PEOPLE OF ISRAEL AND THE WORLD, LOOK AT THIS.
> YOU ARE BEING PLAYED OFF AGAINST THE NON-JEWISH RACES AND VISA-VERSA.
> YOU AND ALL OF US WHO CARE ABOUT OUR CHILDREN AND THE FREEDOM OF THE
> WORLD MUST UNITE AND FOCUS ON THE FORCE THAT IS PLAYING ALL PEOPLE
> LIKE A VIOLIN. FEAR OF EACH OTHER AND DIVIDE AND RULE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN
> THE BASIC TOOLS OF DICTATORS, GLOBAL AND OTHERWISE.
> AND I SAY THIS TO ARAB PEOPLE:
> NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, DO THE ROTHSCHILDS AND THE ILLUMINATI CONTROL
> ONLY ONE SIDE IN A CONFLICT. IF THEY DID THEY COULD NOT BE SURE OF THE
> OUTCOME AND THAT'S NOT THE WAY THEY PLAY THE GAME. IN EVERY
> SIGNIFICANT CONFLICT THEY CONTROL THE LEADERSHIP OF ALL FACTIONS, EVEN
> THOUGH THEY MAY FIGHT AND BATTLE WITH EACH OTHER ON THE PUBLIC STAGE.
> SO WE KNOW WHO CONTROLS THE JEWISH LEADERSHIP IN ISRAEL. THE
> ROTHSCHILDS AND THE ILLUMINATI.
> BUT WHO,THEREFORE, CONTROLS YASSER ARAFAT? I'll GIVE YOU ONE GUESS.
> THE SAME PEOPLE WHO CONTROLLED MENACHEM BEGIN OF ISRAEL AND PRESIDENT
> SADAT OF EGYPT DURING THE "PEACE AGREEMENT" OF THE CARTER PRESIDENCY.
> BEGIN, SADAT, AND CARTER, WERE ALL IMMUMINATI PUPPETS, JUST AS THE
> ISRAEL LEADERSHIP, ARAFAT, AND CLINTON ARE TODAY. IT'S A SCAM, A SHAM,
> A MOVIE FOR PUBLIC CONSUMPTION ONLY.
> WHAT IS DONE IS DONE AND THE PEOPLE OF ISRAEL-PALESTINE NEED TO WORK
> AND LIVE TOGETHER IN HARMONY AND MUTUAL RESPECT. THERE IS NO OTHER
> WAY, EXCEPT MORE DEATHS, MORE SUFFERING, MORE CONFLICT - EXACTLY WHAT
> THE ILLUMINATI AND THE ROTHSCHILDS WANT. THEY HAVE HORRENDOUS PLANS
> FOR ISRAEL IN WHICH ALL SIDES WILL SUFFER, NOT LEAST THEIR PLANS FOR A
> MAJOR EVENT AT THE TEMPLE MOUNT MOSQUE, THE SITE OF THE SO CALLED
> "TEMPLE OF SOLOMON" ACCORDING TO THE JEWISH BELIEF SYSTEM
> COME ON PEOPLES OF THE WORLD, NO MATTER WHAT YOUR RACE, COLOUR, OR
> CULTURE. NO MATTER WHAT YOUR RELIGIOUS BELIEF OR YOUR SPIN ON LIFE.
> THE FREEDOM, WHAT REMAINS OF IT, FOR ALL OF US IS AT STAKE HERE AND
> WHILE WE ARE DIVIDED ON THESE IRRELEVANT GROUNDS, THAT FREEDOM IS
> DOOMED.
> 9
> LETS WORK TOGETHER
> WHILE THERE IS STILL TIME.
> WAR IS OVER WHEN WE WANT IT. THE WORLD IS WHATEVER WE ALLOW IT TO BE.
> WE WANT TO CHANGE THE WORLD. OK, LET'S CHANGE OUTSELVES.
> PLEASE CIRCULATE THIS ARTICLE AS WIDELY AS POSSIBLE.
> THANK-YOU.
> DAVID ICKE
> NOTE: The book, The Bloodlines of the Illuminati, by Fritz Springmeier
> (Ambassador House, Westminster, Co 80030) is another excellent source
> of information about these subjects.
> Blood Lines of the Illuminati by Fritz Springmeier available from
> Amazon http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0966353323/tgsthegoodstew/
> Copyright(c) David Icke- Bridge of Love Publications
> Permission granted to distribute this article freely in free-to-the-
> public media and publications
> Other requests should be directed to BridgeofLoveUSA@aol.com
> http://www.davidicke.com/icke/articles/hitler.html
> http://www.davidicke.com/icke/articles/webtv/whitler.html
> http://www.immunotex.com/hitler/index.html
> The Hitler Files - Nazi Plans for America
> 10
>

That is nothing new. What still amazes me is that Rothschild's family knew 
about the repercussions against Jews and did nothing about it while fully 
supporting the war effort on both sides. 



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"Heinrich"  wrote in message 
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> just wondering because i cannot explain the absence of mr.Cramer in this 
> group.
>

Wouldn't be surprised as Mr. McVay with his supporters managed to get my 
account banned.  Typical tactic, very popular in Jewish community, If there 
is an argument that they can't win or if you are not being cooperative, they 
(Mr. McVay and his supporters) will find ways to silence anyone. So it 
wouldn't be surprising if Mr. Cramer was another victim of Mr. McVay's ways 
to win an argument. 



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"Colonel Sanders"  wrote in message 
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>
> snow wrote:
>
>> That is nothing new. What still amazes me is that Rothschild's family 
>> knew
>> about the repercussions against Jews and did nothing about it while fully
>> supporting the war effort on both sides.
>
> Not only they knew but they directed it.
>
> Hitler was often visited by Rothschilds.
>
> What was so important that they could not trust their own bullet-proof
> courier system and had to discus in person?
>
> It only makes sense why Hitler attacked USSR when you have a closer
> look at who was actually giving the orders.
>
> Although Stalin pretended that he is going along with the New World
> Order
> project publicly, and in that spirit did get the Molotov/Ribentrop
> agreement,
> he actually usurped power in USSR and was deemed uncontrollable by
> the Rothschids.
>
> By ordering the Nazis to attack the USSR, the Rothschilds were hoping
> to regain control in the USSR.
> At the same time Hitler was fed drugs to avoid suspicion and make it
> look
> Like the actions of a mad man.
>

Rothschilds were hoping to cash in on the conflict, which they have been 
doing since then. It is going on right now with Iraq-USA conflict where 
Israel's lobby of big bank and corporation owners judased USA into current 
situation. 



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 wrote in message news:K8TVi.1032$a01.585@trnddc06...
>
> On 30-Oct-2007, "snow"  wrote:
>
>> Good thing Jewish leaders weren't aware of these mass graves, otherwise 
>> it
>>
>> would be 'investigated' as part of Holocaust.
>
> Good thing you aren't a history professor anywhere.

Neither are you. Thank G_D. 



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"Topaz"  wrote in message 
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>
> "There is no factual evidence to support the claims of the Holocaust.
> After the war ended, the first assertions made by the Holocaust
> industry had nothing to do with homicidal gassings and in fact,
> Winston Churchill in his six-volume history of World War II and Dwight
> D. Eisenhower in his memoirs, made not a single reference to homicidal
> gassing chambers.   In addition, autopsies made by Allied medical
> personnel at the camps found that the inmates died of disease and
> absolutely not a single shred of physical or forensic evidence found
> post war showed that anyone was ever "gassed."
> There is no doubt that people died of Typhus, and the shaving of hair,
> removal of clothes and showers was typical of a program of delousing
> to promote prisoner health, while if killing was your goal they would
> have no reason to follow the delousing procedures so common during the
> war as they did.    It just does not add up."
>
> Theodore Herzl
>
> http://www.ihr.org/      http://www.natvan.com
>
> http://www.thebirdman.org     http://www.nsm88.com/
>
> http://wsi.matriots.com/jews.html


Neither can Israel provide 6 million names of victims.  The whole jewish 
holocaust is mostly based on hearsay and very little facts, and that's a 
fact. 



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"It's all a bit strange"  wrote in 
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> kmcvay@shell.vex.net (Kenneth McVay OBC) wrote in
> news:13id6a6jk6kc6b2@corp.supernews.com:
>
>> His equally stupid brother Werner never discussed potential excuses
>> for HIS abject stupidity... personally, I chalk it up to a really dumb
>> set of parents.
>
> I'm always concerned when I see evidence that cousins were allowed to
> breed.

Shouldn't be surprising, incest is very popular in United States. 



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"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message 
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> I submit the following eight statements qualifying Kurt Knoll,
> the Village Idiot of Kitimat and the Intellectual Guiding Light
> of Holocaust Denial as Kook of the Month:
>
> 1. "Go and read what Professor Faurisson has to say about dissecting the
>    Holocaust. Could it be this was the reason why he was Assassinated
>    twice." <3c962a6e_2@binaries.vphos.net, Mar. 18, 2002>
>
> 2. "Streicher commit suicide while in the Nuremberg Jail Bu you people
>    did hang him after that."     2007>
>
> 3. "No, I myself am not anti-Semitic, I just don't like Jews!"
>
> 4. "No wonder years after the war was over he found some more
>    diaries of Ann Frank and she did not know about it."
>
> 5. "By refinishion you i mean you on their side definetly you
>    opinons are."
>
> 6. "People want to know all the facts whatever they are true
>    or not."
>
> 7. "We all know it but they will have us believe they have
>    absolutely no influence on governments. Not believing it
>    would be anti emetic."
>
> 8. "Rumours also has it the letter was written on an unknown
>    typewriter in about 1950 but the letter was send to the state
>    department about in 1940."
> -- 
> "No wonder years after the war was over he found some more
> diaries of Ann Frank and she did not know about it."
> (Kurt Knoll, Kitimat, B.C.'s Leading Revisionist Scholar)
> The Nizkor Project:                    http://www.nizkor.org/

http://www.freedomsite.org/exposed/littman/littman_on_mcvay/index.shtml

Looks like TARZAN 



From snowonweb@hotmail.com Mon Nov 12 20:37:32 EST 2007
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"Hobo"  wrote in message 
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> Ukrainian President Victor Yushchenko is expected to ask Israel to
> recognize the genocide of the Ukrainian people in the 1930s by their
> communist government when he visits there in about two weeks. Israel
> is not expected to accede to the request. Millions of Ukrainians died
> of hunger from 1931 to 1932 following the collectivization of farming
> in the Soviet Union by Joseph Stalin. At the same time the communist
> government attempted to wipe out Ukrainian intelligentsia and
> nationalists, with estimations of the number of victims ranging from a
> million and a half to 10 million.
>
> http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/917798.html
>

I already have a feeling that Israel's government will deny anything and 
then launch a smearing campaign against Ukrainian president and will get 
involved and strongly support Pro-Israeli candidate for the next 
presidential election in Ukraine.
Together with Jewish owned mass media they will try to shape Ukrainians. 
They have been doing that in USA for a while now. 



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"Heinrich"  wrote in message 
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> A nationwide survey released Thursday by the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) 
> shows the number of Americans who hold anti-Semitic attitudes remains 
> constant from its 2005 findings, demonstrating once again that 
> "anti-Semitic beliefs endure in America."
>
> The 2007 Survey of American Attitudes Towards Jews in America, a national 
> telephone survey of 2,000 American adults conducted October 6 through 
> October 19, found that 15% of Americans - or nearly 35 million adults - 
> hold views about Jews that are "unquestionably anti-Semitic," compared to 
> 14% in 2005.
>
> Previous ADL surveys over the last decade had indicated that anti-Semitism 
> was in decline. Seven years ago, in 1998, the number of Americans with 
> hardcore anti-Semitic beliefs had dropped to 12% from 20% in 1992.
>
> "What concerns us is that the successes we had seen, moving toward a more 
> tolerant and accepting America, appear not to have taken hold as firmly as 
> we had hoped," said Abraham H. Foxman, ADL National Director. "These 
> findings, coupled with the ongoing ... anti-Semitic incidents and hate 
> crimes, suggest that anti-Semitic beliefs endure and resonate with a 
> substantial segment of the population, nearly 35 million people."
>
> The survey found that 31% of Americans believe Jews are more loyal to 
> Israel than America, and more than one quarter of the American people 
> believe Jews were responsible for the death of Christ.
>
> Fifteen percent of the general population believes that Jews have "Too 
> much power in the US," with Jewish influence on Wall Street being named in 
> particular.
>
> "When it comes to Jews, old stereotypes die hard," said Foxman, 
> "especially about loyalty, the death of Jesus, and power. For over 40 
> years one of the most stable and telling indicators of anti-Jewish 
> prejudice in America has been the question of fundamental Jewish loyalty 
> to the US."
>
> On the other hand, noted Foxman, "stereotypes about 'Jewish power' in the 
> US have replaced many of the classical ethnic stereotypes previously 
> attributed to Jewish Americans."
>
> The survey revealed that 29% of foreign-born Hispanics hold hardcore 
> anti-Semitic beliefs, while 15% of Hispanics born in the US fall into the 
> same category.
>
> "We believe that the strong anti-Semitic views held by one of
> the fastest growing segments in America is no doubt a reflection of what 
> is being learned about Jews in the schools, churches and communities of 
> Latin American countries, which is anti-Semitism at its most basic," said 
> Foxman.
>
> The 2007 survey found that 32% of African-Americans hold strong 
> anti-Semitic beliefs, more than three times more than the 10% for whites. 
> That finding is perhaps related to another that found that the more 
> educated a person is, the less likely he or she is to hold Anti-Semitic 
> views.
>
> On a positive note, the survey found a majority of Americans hold Jews in 
> high regard on many issues, especially on issues related to ethics and 
> family.
>
>
>
> source: jerusalem post
>


ADL and Foxman again. Foxman already proved himself to be a racist himself 
by denying Armenian holocaust.  Also, statistics taken over the phone sounds 
like a bad idea because such statistics lack anonymousity.  I would think 
that the current conflict in Middle East is a reason for rising 
anti-Semitism. Israel's and Jewish leaders Public Relations will have to 
work extra hard into separating Middle East conflict and Israel. It 
shouldn't be difficult with most American mass media either led by a Jewish 
person, or under very heavy Jewish influence. 



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"Hatto von Aquitanien"  wrote in message 
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> Heinz?  With Rockenfelder?  Where was Rockenfelder?
>
> -- 
> http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1ek5w_wtc7-the-smoking-gun-of-911-updated
> http://911research.wtc7.net
> http://vehme.blogspot.com
> Virtus Tutissima Cassis

or most Jewish or Israeli personnel? 



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"Sara Salzman"  wrote in message 
news:catamont-DDABF6.21535701112007@news-40.giganews.com...
> In article ,
> "It's all a bit strange"  wrote:
>
>> "snow"  wrote in
>> news:Y6nWi.2824$%Z2.600@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com:
>>
>> > Wouldn't be surprised as Mr. McVay with his supporters managed to get
>> > my account banned.  Typical tactic, very popular in Jewish community,
>> > If there is an argument that they can't win or if you are not being
>> > cooperative, they (Mr. McVay and his supporters) will find ways to
>> > silence anyone. So it wouldn't be surprising if Mr. Cramer was another
>> > victim of Mr. McVay's ways to win an argument.
>>
>> And you can prove that with valid documentation?
>
> If your account is banned, how are you posting?
>

If you are so overweight, does it effect your intelligence because it seems 
like it does.  My ISP allows 10 subaccounts, 1 was banned, that leaves 9 
accounts left.
That right there shows that obesity does effect intelligence.


> -- 
> They ain't makin' Jews like Jesus anymore,
> we don't turn the other cheek the way we did before,
> they ain't makin' carpenters who know what nails are for,
> oh they ain't makin' Jews like Jesus anymore."
> - Kinky Friedman 



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"Allan Matthews"  wrote in message 
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> In article ,
> snowonweb@hotmail.com says...
>>
>>
>> "Heinrich"  wrote in message
>> news:5ou1crFolralU1@mid.individual.net...
>> > just wondering because i cannot explain the absence of mr.Cramer in 
>> > this
>> > group.
>> >
>>
>> Wouldn't be surprised as Mr. McVay with his supporters managed to get my
>> account banned.  Typical tactic, very popular in Jewish community, If 
>> there
>> is an argument that they can't win or if you are not being cooperative, 
>> they
>> (Mr. McVay and his supporters) will find ways to silence anyone. So it
>> wouldn't be surprising if Mr. Cramer was another victim of Mr. McVay's 
>> ways
>> to win an argument.
>
> LOL!  Pretty funny coming for a junkie who has to forge other people to
> "win an argument".
>
> Forgery is usually grounds for getting an account closed.  You should
> read your TOS more carefully next time, doper.
>
> allan
> -- 
>    allan_matthews[at]bigfoot[dot]com
> =========================================
> "Illinois Nazis.  I belong to Illinois Nazis."
> =========================================

Actually forging would be if a person hacked into someone's account which 
did not happen The name field in any newsreader allows anyone to enter any 
name they choose as  posts are recognized by the unique IP address.  Words 
such as NIZKOR PROJECT are very widely used and recognized as popular words 
that can't be copyrighted or trademarked, therefore no person can claim it 
for themselves. 



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"Philip Mathews"  wrote in message 
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> On Nov 1, 12:57 pm, "snow"  wrote:
>> "Topaz"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:opfhi3hamhjg9228cv94437f21c01qpp1o@4ax.com...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > "There is no factual evidence to support the claims of the Holocaust.
>> > After the war ended, the first assertions made by the Holocaust
>> > industry had nothing to do with homicidal gassings and in fact,
>> > Winston Churchill in his six-volume history of World War II and Dwight
>> > D. Eisenhower in his memoirs, made not a single reference to homicidal
>> > gassing chambers.   In addition, autopsies made by Allied medical
>> > personnel at the camps found that the inmates died of disease and
>> > absolutely not a single shred of physical or forensic evidence found
>> > post war showed that anyone was ever "gassed."
>> > There is no doubt that people died of Typhus, and the shaving of hair,
>> > removal of clothes and showers was typical of a program of delousing
>> > to promote prisoner health, while if killing was your goal they would
>> > have no reason to follow the delousing procedures so common during the
>> > war as they did.    It just does not add up."
>>
>> > Theodore Herzl
>>
>> >http://www.ihr.org/     http://www.natvan.com
>>
>> >http://www.thebirdman.org   http://www.nsm88.com/
>>
>> >http://wsi.matriots.com/jews.html
>>
>> Neither can Israel provide 6 million names of victims.
>
> Why would they need to, stupid?

Because as with any criminal investigation, identifying the victims is the 
first step, so if we can't identify 6 million Jews, the claim of 6 million 
Jewish victims of 3rd Reich is based on nothing, hearsay or actually 
population statistics that are very unreliable during the time of war as 
with WW2, stupid!.

>
> --
> Philip Mathews
>
> 


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"It's all a bit strange"  wrote in 
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> "snow"  wrote in news:yCnWi.10021$Bk.6103
> @newssvr19.news.prodigy.net:
>
>> Shouldn't be surprising, incest is very popular in United States.
>
> What part of Kentucky were you born in?

The one where we lose virginity with the eldest brother or next of kin. 



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"snow"  wrote in
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> Because as with any criminal investigation, identifying the victims is
> the first step, so if we can't identify 6 million Jews, the claim of 6
> million Jewish victims of 3rd Reich is based on nothing, hearsay or
> actually population statistics that are very unreliable during the
> time of war as with WW2, stupid!.

This is akin to Istvans premise that if the police don't witness a crime 
they can't investigate it.

I gues the lesson to be learned is that if you want to kill someone and get 
away with it, make sure they can't be identified.


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TurkeyBoy  wrote in news:1194063156.613490.143810@
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> Would beating a four-year-old Palestinian boy to death as the Israeli
> soldiers do be enough show of support for Nazi Israel?

Nah, how about suicide bombing a bus, a wedding, a pizza parlor?


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"Kurt Knoll"  wrote in news:KkTWi.169716$1y4.34382
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> Well this is your side of the story. Shall we believe you certainly not.

As much as we believe you met an American Soldier in Berlin in March 1945


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david_michael  wrote in 
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> Those who feign such great moral outrage over 9/11 while
> simultaneously thinking of every excuse imaginable to justify and/or
> mitigate the nuking of entire cities (and not only that but a year or
> so later they come back and repeat the excuses that were debunked the
> previous year . . .)

Amazingly the Japanese have never sought redress for this great moral 
outrage...they haven't even taken the matter to the International Court of 
Justice to make the claim that the United States violated the Hague 
Conventions.

Now if Japan isn't aggrieved enough to pursue the matter, they just don't 
see it for anything other than what it was...


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"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message 
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> In article ,
> snow  wrote:
>>
>>
>>"Allan Matthews"  wrote in message
>>news:MPG.219406ceeb245489896a6@news.verizon.net...
>>> In article ,
>>> snowonweb@hotmail.com says...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Heinrich"  wrote in message
>>>> news:5ou1crFolralU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>> > just wondering because i cannot explain the absence of mr.Cramer in
>>>> > this
>>>> > group.
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> Wouldn't be surprised as Mr. McVay with his supporters managed to get 
>>>> my
>>>> account banned.  Typical tactic, very popular in Jewish community, If
>>>> there
>>>> is an argument that they can't win or if you are not being cooperative,
>>>> they
>>>> (Mr. McVay and his supporters) will find ways to silence anyone. So it
>>>> wouldn't be surprising if Mr. Cramer was another victim of Mr. McVay's
>>>> ways
>>>> to win an argument.
>>>
>>> LOL!  Pretty funny coming for a junkie who has to forge other people to
>>> "win an argument".
>>>
>>> Forgery is usually grounds for getting an account closed.  You should
>>> read your TOS more carefully next time, doper.
>>>
>>> allan
>>> -- 
>>>    allan_matthews[at]bigfoot[dot]com
>>> =========================================
>>> "Illinois Nazis.  I belong to Illinois Nazis."
>>> =========================================
>>
>>Actually forging would be if a person hacked into someone's account which
>>did not happen The name field in any newsreader allows anyone to enter any
>>name they choose as  posts are recognized by the unique IP address.  Words
>>such as NIZKOR PROJECT are very widely used and recognized as popular 
>>words
>>that can't be copyrighted or trademarked, therefore no person can claim it
>>for themselves.
>>
>
> Funny that Prodigy did not agree with you, Leading Revisionist Liar Snow.
>

You want funny, Look at this picture
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_Kenneth_McVay.jpg
Is your middle name TARZAN?





> Leading Revisionist Scholar snow, it would be unfair, not to mention
> inconsiderate, for anyone to label you as a liar without giving you
> the opportunity to respond by supporting your specious assertions
> with documentary evidence.
>
> Question 1:
>
> On July 25, 2007, you made two claims, to wit:
>
> 1. That no one was gassed at Auschwitz or Majdanek
> 2. That the "gas chamber in aushwitz were build by russians after the
>   so called liberation."
>
> Please document your claims or retract them.
>
> Question 2: On July 26, 2007, you wrote:
>
> "I am still having a problem with the myth of gassing the jews."
>
> Please support your assertion with documentary evidence that homocidal
> gassings are a "myth."
>
> Question 3:
>
> On July 26, 2007, you claimed that, "jews come out with awards so they
> could award other jews and it is all based on how much you paid and to
> whom and actually has very little to do with achievements."
>
> Please document these claims or retract them.
>
> Question 4:
>
> On July 29, 2007, you claimed, "...McVay in one of the threads stated
> that 'if you question holocaust then you are automatically anti-Semite."
>
> Please provide an exact Google Groups link to any article in which
> I made such a statement.
>
> Question 5:
>
> In article ,
>
> you wrote:
>
> "In 1931 Stromberg v. California, the Jews defended Communists' free 
> speech
> rights. Six decades later, in R. v. Keegstra, the Jews sued to prevent the
> teaching of an alternative to the Exterminationist theory known as
> "Revisionism" -- and won."
>
> Please provide documentary evidence that Mr. Keegstra was "sued by Jews" 
> as
> you claim, and show how the Supreme Court of Canada lied when it said:
>
>   Mr. James Keegstra was a high school teacher in Eckville,
> Alberta, from the early 1970's until his dismissal in 1982.
> In 1984, Mr. Keegstra was charged under s. 319(2) (then
> 281.2(2)) of the Criminal Code with unlawfully promoting
> hatred against an identifiable group by communicating
> anti-Semitic statements to his students. He was convicted by
> a jury in a trial before McKenzie J. of the Alberta Court of
> Queen's Bench.
>
>   Mr. Keegstra's teachings attributed various evil
> qualities to Jews. He thus described Jews to his pupils as
> ''treacherous'', ''subversive'', ''sadistic'',
> ''money-loving'', ''power hungry'' and ''child killers''. He
> taught his classes that Jewish people seek to destroy
> Christianity and are responsible for depressions, anarchy,
> chaos, wars and revolution. According to Mr. Keegstra, Jews
> ''created the Holocaust to gain sympathy'' and, in contrast
> to the open and honest Christians, were said to be
> deceptive, secretive and inherently evil. Mr. Keegstra
> expected his students to reproduce his teachings in class
> and on exams. If they failed to do so, their marks suffered.
>
>   Prior to his trial, Mr. Keegstra applied to the Court of
> Queen's Bench in Alberta for an order quashing the charge on
> a number of grounds, the primary one being that s. 319(2) of
> the Criminal Code unjustifiably infringed his freedom of
> expression as guaranteed by s. 2(b) of the Charter. Among
> the other grounds of appeal was the allegation that the
> defence of truth found in s. 319(3)(a) of the Code violates
> the Charter's presumption of innocence. The application was
> dismissed by Quigley J., and Mr. Keegstra was thereafter
> tried and convicted. He then appealed his conviction to the
> Alberta Court of Appeal, raising the same Charter issues.
> The Court of Appeal unanimously accepted his argument, and
> it is from this judgment that the Crown appeals.
>
>   The Attorneys-General of Canada, Quebec, Ontario,
> Manitoba and New Brunswick, the Canadian Jewish Congress,
> Interamicus, the League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith,
> Canada, and the Women's Legal Education and Action Fund
> (L.E.A.F.) have intervened in this appeal in support of the
> Crown. The Canadian Civil Liberties Association has
> intervened in support of striking down the impugned
> legislation.
>
> Question 6:
>
> In article , you wrote:
>
> "Why is it that most if not all Holocaust supporting articles are written 
> by
> Jews or are sponsored by Jewish organization."
>
> Please prove your claim by providing data which supports it. List all 
> "Holocaust
> supporting" articles and document the Jewish background of the authors.
>
> Question 7:
>
> On July 30, 2007, you wrote:
>
> "...it was actually American Jews that sold iron and oil to Nazi
> Germany by using Sweden as a proxy since American jews couldn't
> deal directly with Nazi Germany.
>
> "Sweden banks that financed it were run by Jews, as well as proxy
> companies that were setup by jewish bank owners. Swedish people
> didn't have a clue what was being done behind their backs."
>
> Please document these assertions, naming the "American Jews"
> involved and the Swedish banks that were "setup by Jewish bank
> owners."
>
> Question 8:
>
> On July 31, 2007, you asked, "Why is it that most if not all Holocaust 
> supporting
> articles are written by Jews or are sponsored by Jewish organization."
>
> Please provide the data upon which you based these assertions. Include a
> comprehensive list of "Holocaust supporting articles " and their 
> authors,
> and show how each article is either written by a Jew or "sponsored by
> Jewish organizations."
>
> Question 9:
>
> On August 1, 2007, you wrote, "[Wikipedia] is edited by members
> who choose to exaggerate their own race or religion, and jews are
> the forefront of such edits."
>
> Please document your claims - particularly the one about the Jews
> being in the "forefront of such edits."
>
> Question 10:
>
> On August 5, 2007, you wrote:
>
>>Ken's website oMajdanek says 1.5 jews killed
>>http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/camps/maidanek/
>
> ...and...
>
>>KEN IS LYING!!! to put the holocaust in the best light so people would
>>associate the word HOLOCAUST with the JEWS and WW2 so then JEWS could cash
>>in on HOLOCAUST by producing books, interviews, movies (all are tools of
>>propaganda)
>
> Let's visit http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/ and see what we
> find, shall we?
>
> In http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/commission-07, we find the 
> Polish
> Commission (notNizkor) saying, "The Polish-Soviet Extraordinary
> Commission finds that during the four years the Majdanek Extermination
> Camp was in existence the Hitlerite butchers, on thc direct orders of
> their criminal government, exterminated by means of wholesalc shoincluding 
> Snyder, who
> wrote, ""It is
> estimated that 1.5 million inmates were gassed at Maidanek."
>
> (Snyder does NOT, the assertions of Leading Revisionist Scholar snow
> notwithstanding, claim that all the victims were Jewish - that is,
> he was lying - again.)
>
> The same article quotes Davidowitz (1,380,000 dead) and Sachar (500,000 
> dead), while the
> IFZ is quoted as saying that 50,000 *Jews* were murdered there.
>
> The Encyclopedia of the Holocaust is then cited, in a piece on Majdanek 
> written by
> Lublin University's Zygmunt Mankowski, who wrote "close to 500,000 passed
> through. Of those, according to current (1990) estimates, 360,000 died,
> sixty percent from camp conditions, and forty percent from gassing, 
> hanging,
> or being shot."
>
> Mankowski does not, contrary to your blather, claim that all the victims 
> were Jews.
>
> Now we get to the spot where NIZKOR says something, to wit:
>
> "I suspect it may be impossible to determine the numbers, but this article
> (EoH) struck me as reasonable, if for no other reason its mention of the
> transport records and the trials, plus the bibliographic data. I'd
> appreciate it if someone would check the earlier sources cited to 
> determine
> if any orignial source is offered, and get back to us."
>
>>KEN IS LYING!!! to put the holocaust in the bet light so people would
>>associate the word HOLOCAUST with the JEWS and WW2 so then JEWS could cash
>>in on HOLOCAUST by producing books, interviews, movies (all are tools of
>>propaganda)
>
> Please retract your lies, Leading Revisionist Scholar snow,
> now tha they have been exposed.
>
> Question 11:
>
> In article , on August 15,
> 2007, you authored an article which claimed, quote, "Kenneth McVay a
> pedophile and a child molester who molested his own daughter..."
>
> Please document when and where any of my children have
> made such statements or admit you cannot.
>
> Question 12:
>
> In article , posted on
> August 15, 2007, you made the following allegation:
>
> "NIZKOR's self appointed director Ken McVay involved in tax fraud."
>
> Document your allegation that I am involved in tax fraud, or retract it.
>
> Tax someone has committed such an offense, by all means report
> to the federal authorites post haste. Not doing so is, in and of
> itself, a crime.
>
> -- 
> "My name is not Fatboy you stupid Kike Swine!"
> (Scott Bradbury, Bellville's Leading Revisionist Scholar)
> The Nizkor Project:                    http://www.nizkor.org/ 



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"B'enjamin C'ramer"  wrote in message 
news:L5idnV1whLUr2rHanZ2dnUVZ_tijnZ2d@giganews.com...
> "Sara Salzman"  wrote in message 
> news:catamont-DDABF6.21535701112007@news-40.giganews.com...
>> In article ,
>> "It's all a bit strange"  wrote:
>>
>>> "snow"  wrote in
>>> news:Y6nWi.2824$%Z2.600@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com:
>>>
>>> > Wouldn't be surprised as Mr. McVay with his supporters managed to get
>>> > my account banned.  Typical tactic, very popular in Jewish community,
>>> > If there is an argument that they can't win or if you are not being
>>> > cooperative, they (Mr. McVay and his supporters) will find ways to
>>> > silence anyone. So it wouldn't be surprising if Mr. Cramer was another
>>> > victim of Mr. McVay's ways to win an argument.
>>>
>>> And you can prove that with valid documentation?
>>
>> If your account is banned, how are you posting?
>
> Different account, you fucking retard.

Sara has proven to lack common logic and it would never occur to her that 
there are many ISP providers that allow many subaccounts.
One look at Sara's picture says it all 
http://www.fpp.co.uk/ActionReport/AR25/images/Sara_Salzman.jpg.
It's a man, It's a woman, No Its TERMINATOR, Tarzan's right hand. 



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"B'enjamin C'ramer"  wrote in message 
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> Fucking yids are at it again.
>
> 600 Palestinian kids in Gaza have not been granted permission by Ersatz 
> israel to leave Gaza to attend universities overseas.
>
> So much for the "equal rights" bullshit these stinky yids keep marketing.
>
>

How can you be sure that these 600 kids are not terrorists, you can't, 
therefore the best way is to keep them fenced in the Gaza under surveillance 
just like a zoo animal. 



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"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message 
news:13innqndmni7q66@corp.supernews.com...
> This woman might not be alive for too long. Her message is strong, I
> hope it gets passed to many people before it and she are removed.
>
> One impressive woman!
>
> Here is a powerful and amazing statement on Al Jazeera television.
>
> The woman is Wafa Sultan, an Arab-American psychologist from Los
> Angeles. I would suggest watching it ASAP because I don't know how
> long the link will be active. This film clip should be shown around
> the world repeatedly!
>
> http://switch3.castup.net/cunet/gm.asp?ai=214&ar=1050wmv&ak=nul
>
> -- 
> "No wonder years after the war was over he found some more
> diaries of Ann Frank and she did not know about it."
> (Kurt Knoll, Kitimat, B.C.'s Leading Revisionist Scholar)
> The Nizkor Project:                    http://www.nizkor.org/


Everyone is trying to make the conflict shallow when in reality there is 
much more to it than what media shows. Although the woman seems to be right, 
she is only partially right. If it is conflict of civilizations and not 
religion, why is that Muslim civilization is behind. is it because of their 
religion. It sure seems that way, but there are other Muslim countries that 
are democratic such as Turkey. She sure sounds like a paid cooperative whose 
job is to advertise conflict of civilizations instead of analyzing the 
conflict deeper. Then again if you dig too deep you may find yourself in 
trouble. So everyone is barking at the tree but no1 wants to climb it. 



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floresrikitic@hotmail.com wrote in news:1194102372.106987.4090@
19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com:

> LOL, geez, make up your mind Rosie.  It doesn't take much gray matter
> to realize that the chances of wide publication on pedophile rabbis
> are near nil.

Then how did she get the info?


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"Dr. Lippschitz"  wrote in news:637Xi.1534$Zz.319@trnddc07:

> Stop the jew tactics, as a jew I know them all and you're not fooling 
> anyone.

What proof you are a Jew?


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Hatto von Aquitanien  wrote in
news:VfednWLf2NVAbbHanZ2dnUVZ_q3inZ2d@speakeasy.net: 

> snow wrote:
> 
>> "Hatto von Aquitanien"  wrote in message
>> news:geWdnc6FQKHp7rfanZ2dnUVZ_vDinZ2d@speakeasy.net...
>>> Heinz?  With Rockenfelder?  Where was Rockenfelder?
>> 
>> or most Jewish or Israeli personnel?
> 
> It appears that most American Jews who worked in or around the WTC
> were not tipped off by the perps.  The names and number of Israelis
> killed in the attacks is highly conspicuous.  Even there, however, I
> don't perceive a unified front.  IOW, "the Jews did it" is overly
> simplistic. 
> 

And so goes the "hate the Jews" movement. They find one or 2 items and
call them fact. 


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; <"Edeiken  wrote in message 
news:b6bcb77ae400db3de542c7213f26603b@remailer.metacolo.com...
> Sara Salzman report details her demented and mentally disturbed mindset 
> with her usenet
> postings she wishes were never archived:
>
>>From: Sara Salzman 
>>Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage
>>Subject: My Master Holds The Ropes Just So (poem)
>
> My Master holds the rope just so.
>
> He knows me. Knows my moods. Knows the fear behind my eyes, both real and
> imagined.
>
> Those eyes widen as he gently lays the rope down, as he carefully,
> methodically, systematically, lays the toys down on the bed.
>
> Soft moans escape from behind gagged lips. I have been told to watch.
> To see each and know that soon each will touch me.
>
> He looks up briefly as he lays each down on the bed. Checking reactions.
> Watching.
>
> The short whip. A sigh.
> The deerskin. The suede.
>
> The small braided thong, the one that stings. A short moan.
>
> The horsehair that stings but never marks.
>
> The canes. The paddles. A pause.
>
> I wait, knowing.
>
> The small velvet bag that holds clamps. Clamps too severe for my breasts,
> yet applied anyway.
>
> A gasp. And then his smile.
>
> He knows me. He knows I will take the pain to please him. He knows the
> sacrifice I make to his Gods of Pain. He sees the torment in my eyes. The
> desire to please. The love. The fear of the pain.
>
> My Master holds the rope just so.
>
> Through his fingers, around my wrists, making delicate rings softer than
> steel. Stronger than steel. One on each wrist, a gentle bracelet that is
> soon pulled tight, stretched to the bedposts and wrapped tightly. One on
> each ankle. No matter how I tighten my muscles as he wraps the rope, still
> it is perfectly tight. The circulation moves.
> The ankle does not.
>
> I lie face-up on the bed, my body a perfect X. Face up. Oh, Goddess, he's
> going to whip my breasts.
>
> But first, two small wooden clothespins bob before my eyes. I turn my
> head, remember I am instructed to watch, turn back. The clothespins bite
> the delicate flesh of each nipple. Grasp. Sting. Burn. He waits.
>
> My Master knows me. Knows he can whip me, clothespins and all. Knows the
> pain, where it will hurt the most, what I can and cannot take.
> He waits.
>
> The burning increases as the pins are removed. Ah, he will not whip me
> with clothespins in place. But the moment when I was unsure, when the
> blood pounded in my temples and the fear covered me like a shroud, then he
> watched my eyes.
>
> The whip falls. Which one is it now? I cannot turn my head to see which he
> reaches for. But I know them all. I arch my back, try to stay still.
>
> My Master knows me. Knows I will hold position as long as possible, before
> the pain forces me to writhe, to turn, to try in vain to shield my
> breasts. Knows the moment when I can no longer stay still. And precisely
> then, says gently, "Don't move."
>
> My Master holds the rope just so. Gently tugging at the knots, to release
> arms and legs from bondage. Gently unwraps each wrist, each ankle. Rubs
> each, and kisses the places where the rope has left its mark. The gag is
> removed. I swallow.
>
> "Kneel."
>
> I crouch on the bed, head down, ass up, as he mounts the bed behind me.
> His hands caress my ass softly, then spank sharply. Slowly, quickly, his
> hand falls upon my ass. I wait for the moment, the pain/pleasure as he
> will enter me. But not yet. First a gentle tapping, soft touch, as he
> marks the place the cane will fall. I brace myself, plead with myself to
> hold position, knowing each stroke brings a fire hotter than any flame.
>
> Five strokes. Six. I have not moved. As the pain from each begins to
> subside, a soft, half-sob. "Thank you, Master."
>
> Eight. Nine. My knees give out, and I fall to the bed, sobbing. But
> immediately back on my knees again. "Thank you, Master."
>
> Ten. I am aware of nothing, save the pain. And his voice, as I am
> commanded to orgasm, not from stimulation, not from his fingers or his
> cock, but from pain alone. My body responds without hesitation. My
> pleasure is screamed out for his pleasure.
>
> Later, I will feel his cock inside me. I will feel the force as he thrusts
> deep into me, bruising the tender flesh with his strength. Later I will
> come, and come, and come, but only by his command. Later, we will lie
> back, exhausted, as he cradles me in his arms, strokes me gently, whispers
> in my ear.
>
> But not yet.
>
> Now he rises from the bed, returns to the toys so carefully laid out 
> before me.
>
> My Master holds the rope just so.
>
> (c) 1994 Sara Salzman aka Perrrfect
> PLEASE DO NOT REPOST WITHOUT PERMISSION
>
> ==============================================================================
>>From: Sara Salzman 
>>Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage
>>Subject: Re: What is power? (was Re: Power Imbalance v. Power Exchange)
>
> In article <3gv6bm$4ic@crl9.crl.com>, verdant@crl.com (Janet W. Hardy) 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Quick straw poll here:  How many people have ever felt totally,
>> completely safe during any S/M scene -- safeword or no, light or heavy,
>> D/S or sensation-only?
>
> Verdant:
>
> I hate to muddle the semantics further, but...
>
> safe? You mean safe that my Master won't break my leg or suffocate me to
> the point of death in a scene?
>
> 100%. Period. I know my Master would never cause tha kind of damage.
>
> Safe, as in not getting hurt, or not getting hurt MORE thn I'd LIKE to 
> accept?
> Certianly not 100%. Mastercat is always pushing limits, and pushing me to
> the edge or slightly farther.
>
> But safe in terms of not getting killed or left in bondage to die alone?
> Absolutely 100%. And not only with my own Master, but I feel equally safe
> with those other Dom(mes) he has had me play with.
>
> Perrrfect
>
> ==============================================================================
>>From: Sara Salzman 
>>Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage
>>Subject: Re: F. E. Campbell dead
>
> In article <47.26695.103@hedonism.com>, bill.majors@hedonism.com (Bill
> Majors) wrote:
>
>> Ummm...well here I go betraying my ignorance. What has Geoffrey Merrick
>> written. I tend to remember stories, not authors. In fact had I not met
>> Frank I would not have realized who he was except that his name was as
>> prominant as the title of the books.
>>
> I don't know much about him, except that he published a series of hardcore
> bondage books called the Tyler Series. They were wonderful! I'll try and
> dig up the publisher and get back to you.
>
> Perrrfect
>
> ==============================================================================
>>From: Sara Salzman 
>>Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage
>>Subject: Re: Sex slave looking for couple in D.C.
>
> In article <3iajlv$1sb@news.cc.geneseo.edu>, (Mindy and Aaron Proietti) 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello Tim.  My name is Mindy and I am 23 years old.  My husband Aaron and 
>> I
>> just got married and we are looking for some new excitement in the 
>> bedroom.  We
>> are very interested in your offer, and we would like to get to know you 
>> (all of
>> you) better. Please write back with a full (and true) description of 
>> yourself.
>> Hope to hear from you soon.     Mindy and Aaron
>
> Mindy:
>
> If you're in Washington, you should join The Power Exchange. It's a local
> BBS that's exclusively for SM folks. They're some of the best folks
> around. We've met many of the people from the Board personally, and at the
> parties they hold. I highly recommend it!
>
> Sara
>
> PS. Sorry to post this publicly. I couldn't respond to you via e-mail from
> your address.
>
> ==============================================================================
>>From: Sara Salzman 
>>Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage
>>Subject: Fist Fucking
>
> By the way... Elbow Grease IS WATER SOLUABLE.
>
> Says so right on the label.
>
> We've found for MANY things, it is "wetter" and slicker than KY.
>
> Your mileage may, of course, vary.
>
> Perrrfect
>
> ==============================================================================
>>From: Sara Salzman 
>>Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage
>>Subject: Re: Fist fucking (1)
>
> In article <3hg9a1$iel@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, lantoniou@aol.com (L
> Antoniou) wrote:
>
>> Perhaps you should read the messages before responding.  If you read all
>> of mine, you will see that eventually I do suggest the "duck" position -
>> all fingers together.  What I (and Elf) was responding to was the
>> suggestion that one *begin* fisting in that position.  Of course, you go
>> on to say *exactly that*.
>
> In fact, Laura, I did NOT say you should begin in the "duck" position. I
> just stated that it was the eventual position to achieve.
>
> I'm sorry if I did not make that clear in my post. I *did* state that fist
> fucking was not something I had done very often, and merely wanted to
> impart my own (limited) experience.
>
> ==============================================================================
>>From: Sara Salzman 
>>Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage
>>Subject: GREAT NEWS!!!
>
> For those of you who weren't aware of it, SandMUtopia Guardian was on the
> block. It looked like we were going to lose it for good.
>
> However:
>
> The Utopian Network (Adam Selene/Adam's Whips) has purchased it!
>
> We've been talking to Gerry this weekend at Anything for Love here in
> Columbus (Gerry = Jillian), and she says they have great plans for it!
>
> It will be a quarterly at first, while they get the "hang" of publishing.
> NO fiction, just informational articles, photographs, etc.
>
> Lets cross fingers and wish them good luck!
>
> Perrrfect
>
> ==============================================================================
>>From: Sara Salzman 
>>Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage
>>Subject: Re: What makes someone li
>
> In article <3hcclp$jsa@news.cerf.net>, eightmeg@cyberverse.com (Eightmeg) 
> wrote:
>
>> jmiller@juris.com wrote:
>>
>>
>> : My point about most people being abused was merely a comment....it had
>> : no point to make other than to inquire...
>>
>>         My Domina and I have wondered the same thing.  My experience is
>> that I went to a BBS meeting for a small city and a large portion of the
>> people there were, to my dismay, a very unbalanced, retarded looking
>> abused lot.  I sort of expected the people at an S&M club to be like
>> that.  But when I went to the S&M club, the people (generally) looked
>> normal, bright, intelligent, balanced and attractive!
>
> What small city? Those of us who live in small cities and who practise D&M
> don't think of ourselves as unbalanced or retarded at all.
>
> I believe a SERIOUS apology is needed here. This is a truly offensive post
> to me, at least.
>
> Perrrfect
>
> ==============================================================================
>>From: Sara Salzman 
>>Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage
>>Subject: Re: BBS situation for comment
>
> In article <3h0ra3$5o0@tpe.ncm.com>, grimes@tpe.ncm.com (Bob Grimes) 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> The Power Exchange also has a dungeon avialable for members, but
>> consenuality is not a problem. A submissive must accept a collar
>>  before the Dom who offered the collar can use
>> that command and all other D/s commands.
>>
>
> Just to add a brief .02 here, not only is consensuality the basis for the
> Dungeon on TPE, but the quality of the members also aids here. Just once,
> I was addressed by a new member as "slut." Before I could even TYPE a
> response, four other people on the Board had called this person (gently)
> to task. I was impressed.
>
> Perrrfect
>
> ==============================================================================
>>From: Sara Salzman 
>>Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage
>>Subject: Re: What's in a gag?
>>Followup-To: alt.sex.bondage
>
> In article <3gl7t9$6ans@usenetp1.news.prodigy.com>, PEGA86B@prodigy.com
> (Steven Phillips) wrote:
>
>> My wife wants to top her very truculant husband but need help in the
>> gagging. Any good sugestions will be used. Our attempts seem to always
>> fail.
>
> There are a number of household items that make excellent gags. A small
> piece of sponge wrapped in a bandana and then knotted. A "whiffle" golf
> ball (practise ball) with a piece of cloth through it. A pair of panties,
> or pantyhose.
>
> What specific problems are you encountering?
>
> Perrrfect
>
> ==============================================================================
>>From: Sara Salzman 
>>Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage
>>Subject: Re: YKINOKism revisited (was: Bigotry and Hatred. . .)
>>Followup-To: alt.sex.bondage
>
> In article <233416Z30011995@anon.penet.fi>, an129811@anon.penet.fi
> (Laurelie) wrote:
>
>> 1.  If you can say that the kinks of murder, rape, non-consensual
>>     abuse are not ok (and there are people with these kinks!), then
>>     you too, believe that all kinks are not created equal.
>>
>
> My only problem with an otherwise excellent, well-written, and beautifully
> punctuated post is this. Murder is a KINK? Perhaps I need a definition 
> here
> of kink.
>
> Granted, the dictionaries may not be too much help here, but the Webster's
> 9th defines it (in our context) as "2. a mental or physical peculiarity:
> eccentricity, quirk, whim, 3. a clever unusual way of doing something"
>
> I'm just not certain I can view murderers and rapsist as merely people 
> with
> different kinks than mine.
>
> Can we get a good definition, Laurelie?
>
> Thanks!
>
> ==============================================================================
>
> If any of you agree with me about Sara "DaFist" Salzman being a pervert 
> please
> contact her and let her know so.
>
> Sara D. Salzman
> 4015 S Killarney Way
> Aurora, CO 80013
> 303-617-9412
> catamont@concentric.net
> http://www.google.com/lochp?hl=en&tab=wl&q=4015%20KILLARNEY%20WAY+AURORA+CO+80013
>
> If you could care less about Sara Da Pig's mental state then would you 
> like a good
> blow job or would you like ass fucking me in my big fat shit caked ass 
> then feel free to
> contact me or pay me a visit. I don't bite. :-)
>
> Yale F. Edeiken
> 885 COLD SPRING ROAD  APARTMENT 2
> ALLENTOWN, PA 18103
> 610-435-9820
> yawen@enter.net
> http://www.google.com/lochp?hl=en&tab=wl&q=885%20COLD%20SPRING%20RD+ALLENTOWN+PA+18103
>


Obese and ugly girls are usually more open to sex than good looking gals. 
They have to be, because every guy wants to have a sexual intercourse with a 
good looking girl so such girls get to choose amongst all the admirers while 
obese and ugly girls have difficult time getting laid unless they can show 
that they are open to sexual games. Let's face it, if an ugly, obese girls 
played hard to get, she would never get none, because even overweight man 
would like to have a good looking gal. 



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"Protagonist"  wrote in message 
news:N6OdnWNdm60nBrDanZ2dnUVZ_sudnZ2d@comcast.com...
> Protagonist wrote:
>>
>> (Of the 503,000 Jews living in Germany when Hitler came to power around 
>> 319,900 had fled the country by 1939. By the war's end only about 23,000 
>> were living in Germany)
>>
>> So less than 200,000 thousands Jews left in Germany by WW2!
>> JS
>
> Long way to go to hit 6 million!
> JS


There were 3 million Jews living in Poland as of 1939, which was around 10% 
of Poland's population with Warsaw, Lvov and Bialystok having the most of 
Jewish population.  That made Poland the 2nd largest Jewish population, 
after USA. 



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"127.0.0.1" <127.0.0.1@127.0.0.1> wrote in message 
news:20071103220244.6226c6f9@suddenlink.net...
> On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 11:59:59 -0700
> Rolf  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>> Watch "Judea Declares War on Germany" online for free. The
>> above video is a scaled-down version in Windows Media Video
>> (*.wmv) format for viewing online. Requires hi-speed
>> connection--roughly 110MB file-size. To download the file,
>> right-click on the link and select "save target as" and tell
>> where you want to download it.
>>
>> Go HERE
>>
>> http://honestmediatoday.com/JDW.wmv
>>
>
> Good post, very good video that everyone should watch....


It is a good video and I recommend everyone watch it before it is taken 
down. Download it to your hard drive for future reference because this video 
won't be available for long. 



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"qarzhz"  wrote in message 
news:pan.2007.11.04.05.06.45.808717@nospam.fi...
> On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 20:47:40 -0700, Philip Mathews wrote:
>
>>spamgourmet.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Watch "Judea Declares War on Germany" online for free.
>>
>> Why?
>>
>> Only a moron wouldn't recognize that a relgion can't declare war.
>
>
> I thought that Judea was a Roman province. Now it's a religion?
>
> Revisionism indeed.
>

That's exactly your problem,  you "thought".
How about Judeo-Poland. Was that a Roman province? I will give you a hint. 
Because Poland had 2nd world's largest Jewish population,  'someone' had a 
great idea of partitioning Poland (again) and creating Judeo-Poland.  It 
didn't happen because not everyone agreed with such a great idea. 



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"B'enjamin C'ramer"  wrote in message 
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> "snow"  wrote in message 
> news:CC0Xi.18$sm1.5@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>
>>
>> "Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message 
>> news:13inprmhtlbv0aa@corp.supernews.com...
>>> In article ,
>>> snow  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Allan Matthews"  wrote in message
>>>>news:MPG.219406ceeb245489896a6@news.verizon.net...
>>>>> In article ,
>>>>> snowonweb@hotmail.com says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Heinrich"  wrote in message
>>>>>> news:5ou1crFolralU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>> > just wondering because i cannot explain the absence of mr.Cramer in
>>>>>> > this
>>>>>> > group.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wouldn't be surprised as Mr. McVay with his supporters managed to get 
>>>>>> my
>>>>>> account banned.  Typical tactic, very popular in Jewish community, If
>>>>>> there
>>>>>> is an argument that they can't win or if you are not being 
>>>>>> cooperative,
>>>>>> they
>>>>>> (Mr. McVay and his supporters) will find ways to silence anyone. So 
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> wouldn't be surprising if Mr. Cramer was another victim of Mr. 
>>>>>> McVay's
>>>>>> ways
>>>>>> to win an argument.
>>>>>
>>>>> LOL!  Pretty funny coming for a junkie who has to forge other people 
>>>>> to
>>>>> "win an argument".
>>>>>
>>>>> Forgery is usually grounds for getting an account closed.  You should
>>>>> read your TOS more carefully next time, doper.
>>>>>
>>>>> allan
>>>>> -- 
>>>>>    allan_matthews[at]bigfoot[dot]com
>>>>> =========================================
>>>>> "Illinois Nazis.  I belong to Illinois Nazis."
>>>>> =========================================
>>>>
>>>>Actually forging would be if a person hacked into someone's account 
>>>>which
>>>>did not happen The name field in any newsreader allows anyone to enter 
>>>>any
>>>>name they choose as  posts are recognized by the unique IP address. 
>>>>Words
>>>>such as NIZKOR PROJECT are very widely used and recognized as popular 
>>>>words
>>>>that can't be copyrighted or trademarked, therefore no person can claim 
>>>>it
>>>>for themselves.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Funny that Prodigy did not agree with you, Leading Revisionist Liar 
>>> Snow.
>>>
>>
>> You want funny, Look at this picture
>> http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_Kenneth_McVay.jpg
>> Is your middle name TARZAN?
>
> Get on the Merlin the Magician thingie on its jacket. What a fucking loon. 
> Typical ageing hippie clown, him.
>

Reminds me of a movie 'George in the jungle" with Brendon Fraser. 



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"It's all a bit strange"  wrote in 
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> "B'enjamin C'ramer"  wrote in
> news:nvydnQSma40lo7DanZ2dnUVZ_gudnZ2d@giganews.com:
>
>> I don't believe I am anti-semitic at all. Don't hate anyone, or
>> anything, and certainly don't wish harm to anyone.
>
> Then again, morons never know they are morons

LOL, Nicely said.
Must be a reason why you don't know that you are a moron, but don't worry, 
we all noticed it long time ago, We were just waiting for you to notice it 
but "Then again, morons never know they are morons". 



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"Hatto von Aquitanien"  wrote in message 
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> snow wrote:
>
>> Hatto von Aquitanien  wrote in
>> news:VfednWLf2NVAbbHanZ2dnUVZ_q3inZ2d@speakeasy.net:
>>
>>> snow wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Hatto von Aquitanien"  wrote in message
>>>> news:geWdnc6FQKHp7rfanZ2dnUVZ_vDinZ2d@speakeasy.net...
>>>>> Heinz?  With Rockenfelder?  Where was Rockenfelder?
>>>>
>>>> or most Jewish or Israeli personnel?
>>>
>>> It appears that most American Jews who worked in or around the WTC
>>> were not tipped off by the perps.  The names and number of Israelis
>>> killed in the attacks is highly conspicuous.  Even there, however, I
>>> don't perceive a unified front.  IOW, "the Jews did it" is overly
>>> simplistic.
>>>
>>
>> And so goes the "hate the Jews" movement. They find one or 2 items and
>> call them fact. 
>
> If you could reformulate that as a coherent statement it would help.


It would but I didn't write that statement. Nonetheless there was a rumor 
that there were certain Jewish leaders who didn't make to work on that day 
plus that some workers were warned of attacks.

Odigo says workers were warned of attack

By Yuval Dror



Odigo, the instant messaging service, says that two of its workers received 
messages two hours before the Twin Towers attack on September 11 predicting 
the attack would happen, and the company has been cooperating with Israeli 
and American law enforcement, including the FBI, in trying to find the 
original sender of the message predicting the attack.

Micha Macover, CEO of the company, said the two workers received the 
messages and immediately after the terror attack informed the company's 
management, which immediately contacted the Israeli security services, which 
brought in the FBI.

"I have no idea why the message was sent to these two workers, who don't 
know the sender. It may just have been someone who was joking and turned out 
they accidentally got it right. And I don't know if our information was 
useful in any of the arrests the FBI has made," said Macover. Odigo is a 
U.S.-based company whose headquarters are in New York, with offices in 
Herzliya.

As an instant messaging service, Odigo users are not limited to sending 
messages only to people on their "buddy" list, as is the case with ICQ, the 
other well-known Israeli instant messaging application.

Odigo usually zealously protects the privacy of its registered users, said 
Macover, but in this case the company took the initiative to provide the law 
enforcement services with the originating Internet Presence address of the 
message, so the FBI could track down the Internet Service Provider, and the 
actual sender of the original message

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=77744&contrassID=/has%5C

> -- 
> http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1ek5w_wtc7-the-smoking-gun-of-911-updated
> http://911research.wtc7.net
> http://vehme.blogspot.com
> Virtus Tutissima Cassis 



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"snow"  wrote in message 
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> "snow"  wrote in
> news:UaRWi.16355$lD6.15742@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net:
>
>> Because as with any criminal investigation, identifying the victims is
>> the first step, so if we can't identify 6 million Jews, the claim of 6
>> million Jewish victims of 3rd Reich is based on nothing, hearsay or
>> actually population statistics that are very unreliable during the
>> time of war as with WW2, stupid!.
>
> This is akin to Istvans premise that if the police don't witness a crime
> they can't investigate it.
>
> I gues the lesson to be learned is that if you want to kill someone and 
> get
> away with it, make sure they can't be identified.

LOL, another statement I didn't write.
And now to the whinnying part, OMG FORGER OMG. Let's all email Prodigy. oh 
my god. RED ALERT.  OMG FORGER. This is end of the world. Leading 
Revisionist Scholar is a liar and a forger. This is big. Let's all whine 
together. Perhaps Mr. McVay you could start, you seem to be the best at 
whinnying.  Don't forget to fire off many emails to prodigy customer 
service.  The more the better because content doesn't matter, it’s the share 
number of email complains that is important. 



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"LIBERATOR"  wrote in message 
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> Amadinejad saw this data himself, it will convince you the holocaust
> did not happen as you previously believed. Every bit of it is solid
> fact proven by public record. You must learn that Jews are Communists,
> which is based on poverty & depravity, which, is then, based on debt.
> Thus controlling all money and banking is required, and as by public
> record, Jews control it all, currently, as well as forever in history.
> Hitler stopped this, removed by honest elections, Jews from banking,
> by first removing them from government, again, all by honest
> elections. The Jews had to frame him due to his elimination of
> poverty, causing bankers to have no power over politics, or wholly
> over society, bankers were made insignificant in his Germany, so Jews
> invented the holocaust by bodies they produced by bombing Germany.
>
> Allied bombers who were sent by Jews who controlled their funding thus
> objectives made the terrible pictures you saw stated to be the
> holocaust, not Hitler and definitely not gassing. The allied bombers
> were ordered to take out vital infrastructure by the Jewish
> funders,who knew that it would murder civilians and the prisoner
> populations. This was done on purpose, the aim was to use the
> prisoners the allied Jews murdered and say Hitler gassed them, once
> German lines were
> overrunned by infantry, depicting the destruction and dead can be done
> by whomever is the victors, that was not Hitler (the Soviets) and
> that's exactly what happened.
>
> The URLs at the end of the post are most convincing in that they show
> the factual irrefuteable social marvels & a world of panacea that
> Hitler achieved for his people of which they had no hesitation of
> fighting any war any enemy to protect what he created for them - a
> real utopia by eliminating debt from the economy.  No unemployment, no
> poverty, no ghettos remained.  One job sustained a family prosperously
> beyond common expenses. The government was fully participatory
> contrary to what you've been told and no authoritarian form existed
> over the people of Germany. Because Hitler stopped Communism dead,
> which is Jewish created and totally subversive, he had to be framed
> visciously, and was, by the holocaust.
>
> You will see by the data that the world was tricked to believe the
> holocaust by Soviets who were the first to contact the camps,
> amazingly it was the Soviets/Communists, that ran death camps
> themselves way before Hitler, so they knew precisely how to stage
> them.
>
> The holocaust was mainly staged so Jews  (Communists) could steal
> legally under the guise of reparations - money for Israel, whilst
> being the aggressor they pose as the defender in that region.
> Holocaust victimhood allows posing as innocent while they
> aggressively, steal, murder, plunder, and rule by effrontery. Posing
> as the sheep when they're the wolves.
>
> Jews have banked $$$ big on the holocaust (All money goes to
> Israel)."Stratagems" or "artifices" are what intelligence agencies
> (OSS) use to deceive the public continually to manage them. OSS was
> controlled by Jew Henry Morgenthau. The terrorism of 9-11 is a Jewish
> created artifice.
>
> Israel attacks Palestinians but says they're being attacked.  The goal
> of Israel is constant instability in the middle east, using posing as
> a victim in light of holocaust to perpetrate thus continual funding
> from all countries in the world for the fighting Palestine is not to
> be questioned,  see how that stratagem works?  Trickery - due to
> Hitler and their horrible suffering they cannot be guilty of
> anything.
>
> Taking money from Germans for something that didn't happen is pure
> evil, Germans today are still paying reparations for it.
>
> Hitler ended Jewish rule by honest elections he won, and then ended
> their debt-finance, and created his own system of finance which was
> without debt - this took Germany away from Jewish international
> banking thus they had no control over Germany and lost those
> lucrative
> markets, war was the only way to take Germany back. Framing Hitler by
> staging the holocaust was the response to him.
>
> www.onethirdoftheholocaust.com
>
> www.vho.org/GB/c/DC/gcgvcole.html
>
> Amadinejad saw these videos and it's so convincing it made him brave
> the guaranteed onslaught of public humiliation by stating publically
> it was not real. The fact that the videos on the URL above were banned
> from YouTube indicates a desire to mute the data because of its
> integrity.
>
> Communism requires extreme poverty for the rulers to rule, as
> demonstrated by Ayn Rand in her book "We The Living", which in the
> prologue she stated New York City in 1934 was completely controlled by
> Communist orchestrators arranging Communist atomic structure for the
> USA (of government workings), no wonder America was tricked to fight
> Hitler. Jew Treasurer of the USA Henry Morgenthau ring a bell? What
> about John Hopkins leader of Roosevelts brain trust - both  Jews of
> many more traceable whom controlled the USA and were the ones that
> instigated the USA into WW2, and it is well known they were Roosevelts
> decision makers.
>
> Jew debt finance system (*usury*) of currency VS Hitlers debtless
> prosperous system:
> www.realnews247.com/money_myth_exploded.htm
>
> Communism requires debt-finance which is a legalized system of
> thievery based [currency] system, in that debt is always the valuation
> of the currency (thus it's never stable therefore society is never
> stable - Hitler ended this) and always more debt exists than currency
> to meet  it thus social problems guaranteed, this is all intentional
> by the designers who are  Jews such as Paul Warburg who authored the
> USAs "bank" of debt-finance. In the United States we have this system
> it originated as "The Federal Reserve Act of 1913", they did this
> exact same system to Germany  of which 6 million Germans were starving
> to death and unemployed, all planned, as the Communist party was
> growing rapidly and seeping into everything - Hitler was sharp enough
> to detect the subversion and stopped them on all fronts.
>
> Understanding money creation and valuing takes time, examine this URL
> it explains it all:
> www.realnews247.com/money_myth_exploded.htm
>
> Once Hitler eliminated this system all Germans were in lucrative
> prosperity.  He achieved amazing social wonders that have been
> strongly censored.  His government was a perfect participating
> government which the prosperity (currency didn't fluctuate and only
> increased in value) was eternal.
>
> Hitlers amazing wonders shown and irrefuteable fact:
>
> www.adolfthegreat.com
>
> www.adolfhitlerresearchsociety.org
>
> I'm confident you'll see you've been conned by world Jewry, who seek
> global Communism, by effrontery using democracies by debt-finance
> (capitalism).
>


This is mostly correct but one must remember that the word 'Holocaust' had 
been used for centuries and has nothing to do with WW2 and Jews. The Jews 
who did perish in Nazi work camps were the poor Jews who were a burden on 
Jewish society. The rich and educated Jews received Visa's from American 
embassy and were allowed to immigrated to USA. As a matter of fact 3rd Reich 
and Hitler encouraged Jews to leave Germany because Jewish leaders were not 
welcome since they declared economic war on Germany causing mass starvation 
by stopping the trade routes.
This is a link to a video that will explain how economy and governments can 
be controlled.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPU8w7Bxc0A 



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"Sara Salzman"  wrote in message 
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> fat slag
> deviant piece of shite
> fat slag
> fat slag
> fat slag
> fat slag
> yehoodies
> Fucking wanker
> fucking loon.
> Fucking loon
> fat slag
> Dickhead
> kiwikunt
> dyslexic, thick Irish cunt?
> you fucking retard
> dyslexic, thick Irish cunt
> dickhead
> fucking fool
> twatty
> dickhead
> yid turds
> twat
> Twatty
> dickead
> Dickhead
> fucking clown
> you turds
>
> -- 
> They ain't makin' Jews like Jesus anymore,
> we don't turn the other cheek the way we did before,
> they ain't makin' carpenters who know what nails are for,
> oh they ain't makin' Jews like Jesus anymore."
> - Kinky Friedman


More intelligent than you since you were amazed on how I could still post 
when my account was banned. 



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"Colonel Sanders"  wrote in message 
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> http://www.ziopedia.org/en/
>
> Due to popular demand. - Wiki got a new user interface.:)
>

Thanks for sharing. Personally I wasn't aware of existence of such website. 
Now I am going to spend couple of weeks to go through every article. Lots of 
information to absorb and share with the public. 



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"It's all a bit strange"  wrote in 
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> "Heinrich"  wrote in
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>
>> She had FIVE orgasms during our 40-minute interview. But I can't take
>> the credit-it was just talking about her sex life that set her off.
>
> And now you have to replace your sticky keyboard.
>
> Why is it that deniers are so obsessed with Sara's sex life?


Shows the moral character or lack of it, therefore how can she be taken 
seriously. 



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"Patrick Keenan"  wrote in message 
news:13iurae9hqrvcf1@news.supernews.com...
> "El Cucui"  wrote in message 
> news:_POdndZ-EvGm-7LanZ2dnUVZ_tuonZ2d@giganews.com...
>> Is this really the level of debate around here?
>
> It sure isn't debate, but it *is* a prime example of what "revisionists" 
> and deniers apparently feel helps their cause.

Just like RJ11 rumbling about drug use. It has nothing to do with history 
revisionism yet Zionazi's apparently feel it helps their cause.


>
> And what they obviously feel is acceptable discourse.   No wonder rational 
> people want nothing to do with them or their "ideas".
>
> -pk
>
>
>>
>> "Heinrich"  wrote in message 
>> news:5p7s6kFnvulaU1@mid.individual.net...
> 
> 


From snowonweb@hotmail.com Mon Nov 12 20:37:41 EST 2007
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"It's all a bit strange"  wrote in 
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>
> The first 3,000 Soviet prisoners of war arrived at the Buchenwald
> Concentration Camp during September 1941. After months of marching 
> hundreds
> of miles they finally entered the camp completely exhausted and emaciated
> into mere skeletons. They had received almost nothing to eat during the
> march. Some weeks later another 4,000 arrived and during the ten kilometre
> march from the station in Weimar to the camp, 417 collapsed and died. In
> the camp, one of the most vile cold-blooded war crimes took place in a
> facility hastily constructed inside the camp's horse stables. When no
> longer able to work in the stone quarry the prisoners were taken to the
> stable and ordered into the shower-room eight at a time. The door was then
> closed and through a slit in the door the unsuspecting victims were simply
> shot down by an automatic pistol. To cover the cries of the dying loud
> music was played over loudspeakers. After the killings the showers were
> turned on but only to wash away the blood. Another method used was for the
> prisoner to stand against a measuring device to measure his height.
> Concealed behind the device was a small cubicle in which stood the SS
> murderer who then fired a shot into the neck of the prisoner through a 
> slot
> in the partition. Around 500 killings a day was achieved through these
> methods. In all, about 7,200 Russian POWs were murdered in Buchenwald.


Russian government did mistreat any POW and the conditions that Russia 
provided were horrible. Way worse than what Nazi Germany provided. 



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"It's all a bit strange"  wrote in 
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> "Kurt Knoll"  wrote in
> news:PDvXi.177601$1y4.99801@pd7urf2no:
>
>> I to not believe what you are writing here. Soldiers are prisoners of
>> and end up in a prisoner of war camps. Ask the German prisoners of war
>> how the were tortured and worked to death in the soviet gulags.Actual
>> you cam make all kinds of accusation when it can not be investigated.
>
> So you don't believe Soviet prisoners were worked to death, but you do
> believe German prisoners were worked to death.
>
> LOL, but I love your humor. Don't really care what you believe, it's
> historical fact.
>
> And as you've said you can make all kinds of accusations when it can not 
> be
> investigated. Prove Germans were worked to death in the Gulags.


More than half of Gulag's population was Polish.
Also regarding German POW

http://www.gps-practice-and-fun.com/german-pow-camps.html 



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"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message 
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> In article ,
> Leading Revisionist Moron snow, the biggest coward in Connecticut,
>  wrote:
>
>>Obese and ugly girls are usually more open to sex than good looking gals.
>
> How do you know Ms. Salzman is "obese and ugly," Leading Revisionist 
> Scholar snow -
> particularly given your track record of uttering public liesnd the fact 
> that
> you have never met or seen her?


http://www.fpp.co.uk/ActionReport/AR25/images/Sara_Salzman_150.jpg
http://www.fpp.co.uk/ActionReport/AR25/images/Sara_Salzman.jpg



>
> Leading Revisionist Scholar snow, it would be unfair, not to mention
> inconsiderate, for anyone to label you as a liar without giving you
> the opportunity to respond by supporting your specious assertions
> with documentary evidence.
>
> Question 1:
>
> On July 25, 2007, you made two claims, to wit:
>
> 1. That no one was gassed at Auschwitz or Majdanek
> 2. That the "gas chamber in aushwitz were build by russians after the
>   so called liberation."
>
> Please document your claims or retract them.
>
> Question 2: On July 26, 2007, you wrote:
>
> "I am still having a problem with the myth of gassing the jews."
>
> Please support your assertion with documentary evidence that homocidal
> gassings are a "myth."
>
> Question 3:
>
> On July 26, 2007, you claimed that, "jews come out with awards so they
> could award other jews and it is all based on how much you paid and to
> whom and actually has very little to do with achievements."
>
> Please document these claims or retract them.
>
> Question 4:
>
> On July 29, 2007, you claimed, "...McVay in one of the threads stated
> that 'if you question holocaust then you are automatically anti-Semite."
>
> Please provide an exact Google Groups link to any article in which
> I made such a statement.
>
> Question 5:
>
> In article ,
>
> you wrote:
>
> "In 1931 Stromberg v. California, the Jews defended Communists' free 
> speech
> rights. Six decades later, in R. v. Keegstra, the Jews sued to prevent the
> teaching of an alternative to the Exterminationist theory known as
> "Revisionism" -- and won."
>
> Please provide documentary evidence that Mr. Keegstra was "sued by Jews" 
> as
> you claim, and show how the Supreme Court of Canada lied when it said:
>
>   Mr. James Keegstra was a high school teacher in Eckville,
> Alberta, from the early 1970's until his dismissal in 1982.
> In 1984, Mr. Keegstra was charged under s. 319(2) (then
> 281.2(2)) of the Criminal Code with unlawfully promoting
> hatred against an identifiable group by communicating
> anti-Semitic statements to his students. He was convicted by
> a jury in a trial before McKenzie J. of the Alberta Court of
> Queen's Bench.
>
>   Mr. Keegstra's teachings attributed various evil
> qualities to Jews. He thus described Jews to his pupils as
> ''treacherous'', ''subversive'', ''sadistic'',
> ''money-loving'', ''power hungry'' and ''child killers''. He
> taught his classes that Jewish people seek to destroy
> Christianity and are responsible for depressions, anarchy,
> chaos, wars and revolution. According to Mr. Keegstra, Jews
> ''created the Holocaust to gain sympathy'' and, in contrast
> to the open and honest Christians, were said to be
> deceptive, secretive and inherently evil. Mr. Keegstra
> expected his students to reproduce his teachings in class
> and on exams. If they failed to do so, their marks suffered.
>
>   Prior to his trial, Mr. Keegstra applied to the Court of
> Queen's Bench in Alberta for an order quashing the charge on
> a number of grounds, the primary one being that s. 319(2) of
> the Criminal Code unjustifiably infringed his freedom of
> expression as guaranteed by s. 2(b) of the Charter. Among
> the other grounds of appeal was the allegation that the
> defence of truth found in s. 319(3)(a) of the Code violates
> the Charter's presumption of innocence. The application was
> dismissed by Quigley J., and Mr. Keegstra was thereafter
> tried and convicted. He then appealed his conviction to the
> Alberta Court of Appeal, raising the same Charter issues.
> The Court of Appeal unanimously accepted his argument, and
> it is from this judgment that the Crown appeals.
>
>   The Attorneys-General of Canada, Quebec, Ontario,
> Manitoba and New Brunswick, the Canadian Jewish Congress,
> Interamicus, the League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith,
> Canada, and the Women's Legal Education and Action Fund
> (L.E.A.F.) have intervened in this appeal in support of the
> Crown. The Canadian Civil Liberties Association has
> intervened in support of striking down the impugned
> legislation.
>
> Question 6:
>
> In article , you wrote:
>
> "Why is it that most if not all Holocaust supporting articles are written 
> by
> Jews or are sponsored by Jewish organization."
>
> Please prove your claim by providing data which supports it. List all 
> "Holocaust
> supporting" articles and document the Jewish background of the authors.
>
> Question 7:
>
> On July 30, 2007, you wrote:
>
> "...it was actually American Jews that sold iron and oil to Nazi
> Germany by using Sweden as a proxy since American jews couldn't
> deal directly with Nazi Germany.
>
> "Sweden banks that financed it were run by Jews, as well as proxy
> companies that were setup by jewish bank owners. Swedish people
> didn't have a clue what was being done behind their backs."
>
> Please document these assertions, naming the "American Jews"
> involved and the Swedish banks that were "setup by Jewish bank
> owners."
>
> Question 8:
>
> On July 31, 2007, you asked, "Why is it that most if not all Holocaust 
> supporting
> articles are written by Jews or are sponsored by Jewish organization."
>
> Please provide the data upon which you based these assertions. Include a
> comprehensive list of "Holocaust supporting articles " and their 
> authors,
> and show how each article is either written by a Jew or "sponsored by
> Jewish organizations."
>
> Question 9:
>
> On August 1, 2007, you wrote, "[Wikipedia] is edited by members
> who choose to exaggerate their own race or religion, and jews are
> the forefront of such edits."
>
> Please document your claims - particularly the one about the Jews
> being in the "forefront of such edits."
>
> Question 10:
>
> On August 5, 2007, you wrote:
>
>>Ken's website oMajdanek says 1.5 jews killed
>>http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/camps/maidanek/
>
> ...and...
>
>>KEN IS LYING!!! to put the holocaust in the best light so people would
>>associate the word HOLOCAUST with the JEWS and WW2 so then JEWS could cash
>>in on HOLOCAUST by producing books, interviews, movies (all are tools of
>>propaganda)
>
> Let's visit http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/ and see what we
> find, shall we?
>
> In http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/commission-07, we find the 
> Polish
> Commission (notNizkor) saying, "The Polish-Soviet Extraordinary
> Commission finds that during the four years the Majdanek Extermination
> Camp was in existence the Hitlerite butchers, on thc direct orders of
> their criminal government, exterminated by means of wholesalc shoincluding 
> Snyder, who
> wrote, ""It is
> estimated that 1.5 million inmates were gassed at Maidanek."
>
> (Snyder does NOT, the assertions of Leading Revisionist Scholar snow
> notwithstanding, claim that all the victims were Jewish - that is,
> he was lying - again.)
>
> The same article quotes Davidowitz (1,380,000 dead) and Sachar (500,000 
> dead), while the
> IFZ is quoted as saying that 50,000 *Jews* were murdered there.
>
> The Encyclopedia of the Holocaust is then cited, in a piece on Majdanek 
> written by
> Lublin University's Zygmunt Mankowski, who wrote "close to 500,000 passed
> through. Of those, according to current (1990) estimates, 360,000 died,
> sixty percent from camp conditions, and forty percent from gassing, 
> hanging,
> or being shot."
>
> Mankowski does not, contrary to your blather, claim that all the victims 
> were Jews.
>
> Now we get to the spot where NIZKOR says something, to wit:
>
> "I suspect it may be impossible to determine the numbers, but this article
> (EoH) struck me as reasonable, if for no other reason its mention of the
> transport records and the trials, plus the bibliographic data. I'd
> appreciate it if someone would check the earlier sources cited to 
> determine
> if any orignial source is offered, and get back to us."
>
>>KEN IS LYING!!! to put the holocaust in the bet light so people would
>>associate the word HOLOCAUST with the JEWS and WW2 so then JEWS could cash
>>in on HOLOCAUST by producing books, interviews, movies (all are tools of
>>propaganda)
>
> Please retract your lies, Leading Revisionist Scholar snow,
> now tha they have been exposed.
>
> Question 11:
>
> In article , on August 15,
> 2007, you authored an article which claimed, quote, "Kenneth McVay a
> pedophile and a child molester who molested his own daughter..."
>
> Please document when and where any of my children have
> made such statements or admit you cannot.
>
> Question 12:
>
> In article , posted on
> August 15, 2007, you made the following allegation:
>
> "NIZKOR's self appointed director Ken McVay involved in tax fraud."
>
> Document your allegation that I am involved in tax fraud, or retract it.
>
> Tax someone has committed such an offense, by all means report
> to the federal authorites post haste. Not doing so is, in and of
> itself, a crime.
>
> -- 
> "We all know it but they will have us believe they have absolutely no
> influence on governments. Not believing it would be anti emetic."
> (Kurt Knoll, Kitimat, B.C.'s Leading Revisionist Scholar)
> The Nizkor Project:                    http://www.nizkor.org/ 



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"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message 
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> In article ,
> Leading Connecticut Liar and Coward snow  wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>>Reminds me of a movie 'George in the jungle" with Brendon Fraser.
>
> Still can't find your balls, eh, snow?

Balls for what.
Looks like you still can't find your brain. (then again being a gas 
attendant you probably never had the brain)


>
> Leading Revisionist Scholar snow, it would be unfair, not to mention
> inconsiderate, for anyone to label you as a liar without giving you
> the opportunity to respond by supporting your specious assertions
> with documentary evidence.
>
> Question 1:
>
> On July 25, 2007, you made two claims, to wit:
>
> 1. That no one was gassed at Auschwitz or Majdanek
> 2. That the "gas chamber in aushwitz were build by russians after the
>   so called liberation."
>
> Please document your claims or retract them.
>
> Question 2: On July 26, 2007, you wrote:
>
> "I am still having a problem with the myth of gassing the jews."
>
> Please support your assertion with documentary evidence that homocidal
> gassings are a "myth."
>
> Question 3:
>
> On July 26, 2007, you claimed that, "jews come out with awards so they
> could award other jews and it is all based on how much you paid and to
> whom and actually has very little to do with achievements."
>
> Please document these claims or retract them.
>
> Question 4:
>
> On July 29, 2007, you claimed, "...McVay in one of the threads stated
> that 'if you question holocaust then you are automatically anti-Semite."
>
> Please provide an exact Google Groups link to any article in which
> I made such a statement.
>
> Question 5:
>
> In article ,
>
> you wrote:
>
> "In 1931 Stromberg v. California, the Jews defended Communists' free 
> speech
> rights. Six decades later, in R. v. Keegstra, the Jews sued to prevent the
> teaching of an alternative to the Exterminationist theory known as
> "Revisionism" -- and won."
>
> Please provide documentary evidence that Mr. Keegstra was "sued by Jews" 
> as
> you claim, and show how the Supreme Court of Canada lied when it said:
>
>   Mr. James Keegstra was a high school teacher in Eckville,
> Alberta, from the early 1970's until his dismissal in 1982.
> In 1984, Mr. Keegstra was charged under s. 319(2) (then
> 281.2(2)) of the Criminal Code with unlawfully promoting
> hatred against an identifiable group by communicating
> anti-Semitic statements to his students. He was convicted by
> a jury in a trial before McKenzie J. of the Alberta Court of
> Queen's Bench.
>
>   Mr. Keegstra's teachings attributed various evil
> qualities to Jews. He thus described Jews to his pupils as
> ''treacherous'', ''subversive'', ''sadistic'',
> ''money-loving'', ''power hungry'' and ''child killers''. He
> taught his classes that Jewish people seek to destroy
> Christianity and are responsible for depressions, anarchy,
> chaos, wars and revolution. According to Mr. Keegstra, Jews
> ''created the Holocaust to gain sympathy'' and, in contrast
> to the open and honest Christians, were said to be
> deceptive, secretive and inherently evil. Mr. Keegstra
> expected his students to reproduce his teachings in class
> and on exams. If they failed to do so, their marks suffered.
>
>   Prior to his trial, Mr. Keegstra applied to the Court of
> Queen's Bench in Alberta for an order quashing the charge on
> a number of grounds, the primary one being that s. 319(2) of
> the Criminal Code unjustifiably infringed his freedom of
> expression as guaranteed by s. 2(b) of the Charter. Among
> the other grounds of appeal was the allegation that the
> defence of truth found in s. 319(3)(a) of the Code violates
> the Charter's presumption of innocence. The application was
> dismissed by Quigley J., and Mr. Keegstra was thereafter
> tried and convicted. He then appealed his conviction to the
> Alberta Court of Appeal, raising the same Charter issues.
> The Court of Appeal unanimously accepted his argument, and
> it is from this judgment that the Crown appeals.
>
>   The Attorneys-General of Canada, Quebec, Ontario,
> Manitoba and New Brunswick, the Canadian Jewish Congress,
> Interamicus, the League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith,
> Canada, and the Women's Legal Education and Action Fund
> (L.E.A.F.) have intervened in this appeal in support of the
> Crown. The Canadian Civil Liberties Association has
> intervened in support of striking down the impugned
> legislation.
>
> Question 6:
>
> In article , you wrote:
>
> "Why is it that most if not all Holocaust supporting articles are written 
> by
> Jews or are sponsored by Jewish organization."
>
> Please prove your claim by providing data which supports it. List all 
> "Holocaust
> supporting" articles and document the Jewish background of the authors.
>
> Question 7:
>
> On July 30, 2007, you wrote:
>
> "...it was actually American Jews that sold iron and oil to Nazi
> Germany by using Sweden as a proxy since American jews couldn't
> deal directly with Nazi Germany.
>
> "Sweden banks that financed it were run by Jews, as well as proxy
> companies that were setup by jewish bank owners. Swedish people
> didn't have a clue what was being done behind their backs."
>
> Please document these assertions, naming the "American Jews"
> involved and the Swedish banks that were "setup by Jewish bank
> owners."
>
> Question 8:
>
> On July 31, 2007, you asked, "Why is it that most if not all Holocaust 
> supporting
> articles are written by Jews or are sponsored by Jewish organization."
>
> Please provide the data upon which you based these assertions. Include a
> comprehensive list of "Holocaust supporting articles " and their 
> authors,
> and show how each article is either written by a Jew or "sponsored by
> Jewish organizations."
>
> Question 9:
>
> On August 1, 2007, you wrote, "[Wikipedia] is edited by members
> who choose to exaggerate their own race or religion, and jews are
> the forefront of such edits."
>
> Please document your claims - particularly the one about the Jews
> being in the "forefront of such edits."
>
> Question 10:
>
> On August 5, 2007, you wrote:
>
>>Ken's website oMajdanek says 1.5 jews killed
>>http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/camps/maidanek/
>
> ...and...
>
>>KEN IS LYING!!! to put the holocaust in the best light so people would
>>associate the word HOLOCAUST with the JEWS and WW2 so then JEWS could cash
>>in on HOLOCAUST by producing books, interviews, movies (all are tools of
>>propaganda)
>
> Let's visit http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/ and see what we
> find, shall we?
>
> In http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/commission-07, we find the 
> Polish
> Commission (notNizkor) saying, "The Polish-Soviet Extraordinary
> Commission finds that during the four years the Majdanek Extermination
> Camp was in existence the Hitlerite butchers, on thc direct orders of
> their criminal government, exterminated by means of wholesalc shoincluding 
> Snyder, who
> wrote, ""It is
> estimated that 1.5 million inmates were gassed at Maidanek."
>
> (Snyder does NOT, the assertions of Leading Revisionist Scholar snow
> notwithstanding, claim that all the victims were Jewish - that is,
> he was lying - again.)
>
> The same article quotes Davidowitz (1,380,000 dead) and Sachar (500,000 
> dead), while the
> IFZ is quoted as saying that 50,000 *Jews* were murdered there.
>
> The Encyclopedia of the Holocaust is then cited, in a piece on Majdanek 
> written by
> Lublin University's Zygmunt Mankowski, who wrote "close to 500,000 passed
> through. Of those, according to current (1990) estimates, 360,000 died,
> sixty percent from camp conditions, and forty percent from gassing, 
> hanging,
> or being shot."
>
> Mankowski does not, contrary to your blather, claim that all the victims 
> were Jews.
>
> Now we get to the spot where NIZKOR says something, to wit:
>
> "I suspect it may be impossible to determine the numbers, but this article
> (EoH) struck me as reasonable, if for no other reason its mention of the
> transport records and the trials, plus the bibliographic data. I'd
> appreciate it if someone would check the earlier sources cited to 
> determine
> if any orignial source is offered, and get back to us."
>
>>KEN IS LYING!!! to put the holocaust in the bet light so people would
>>associate the word HOLOCAUST with the JEWS and WW2 so then JEWS could cash
>>in on HOLOCAUST by producing books, interviews, movies (all are tools of
>>propaganda)
>
> Please retract your lies, Leading Revisionist Scholar snow,
> now tha they have been exposed.
>
> Question 11:
>
> In article , on August 15,
> 2007, you authored an article which claimed, quote, "Kenneth McVay a
> pedophile and a child molester who molested his own daughter..."
>
> Please document when and where any of my children have
> made such statements or admit you cannot.
>
> Question 12:
>
> In article , posted on
> August 15, 2007, you made the following allegation:
>
> "NIZKOR's self appointed director Ken McVay involved in tax fraud."
>
> Document your allegation that I am involved in tax fraud, or retract it.
>
> Tax someone has committed such an offense, by all means report
> to the federal authorites post haste. Not doing so is, in and of
> itself, a crime.
>
> -- 
> "But you have no interest in getting to the truth of the
> matter are, you, you silly little toss." ("Ben Cramer,"
> Leading Revisionist Scholar)
>       The Nizkor Project: http://www.nizkor.org 



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"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message 
news:13itg1tbv6i4v3d@corp.supernews.com...
> In article ,
> Leading Revisionist Scholar snow, moron and liar,  
> wrote:
>
>>Must be a reason why you don't know that you are a moron, but don't worry,
>>we all noticed it long time ago, We were just waiting for you to notice it
>>but "Then again, morons never know they are morons".
>
> You, however, know you are a liar and a coward, Leading Revisionist Moron 
> snow.
> Now tuck that yellow tail between your legs and run, because here are but 
> a few
> of your lies - again:


It must not occurred to you that I have been ignoring your questions and 
will continue ignoring it as I really don't have the answers that you would 
like me to give. Feel free to post these questions over and over and over 
again, and they are going to be ignored over and over and over again. But 
then again you have nothing going on in your life except repeating same 
questions. Have you ever tried going out. going to the gym, taking a stroll 
in a park. I mean there are many other things a senior citizen could do 
besides repeating himself. People with Alzheimer repeat themselves, make 
sure you get a second opinion from a doctor. It looks like you might be 
suffering from Alzheimer.


>
> Leading Revisionist Scholar snow, it would be unfair, not to mention
> inconsiderate, for anyone to label you as a liar without giving you
> the opportunity to respond by supporting your specious assertions
> with documentary evidence.
>
> Question 1:
>
> On July 25, 2007, you made two claims, to wit:
>
> 1. That no one was gassed at Auschwitz or Majdanek
> 2. That the "gas chamber in aushwitz were build by russians after the
>   so called liberation."
>
> Please document your claims or retract them.
>
> Question 2: On July 26, 2007, you wrote:
>
> "I am still having a problem with the myth of gassing the jews."
>
> Please support your assertion with documentary evidence that homocidal
> gassings are a "myth."
>
> Question 3:
>
> On July 26, 2007, you claimed that, "jews come out with awards so they
> could award other jews and it is all based on how much you paid and to
> whom and actually has very little to do with achievements."
>
> Please document these claims or retract them.
>
> Question 4:
>
> On July 29, 2007, you claimed, "...McVay in one of the threads stated
> that 'if you question holocaust then you are automatically anti-Semite."
>
> Please provide an exact Google Groups link to any article in which
> I made such a statement.
>
> Question 5:
>
> In article ,
>
> you wrote:
>
> "In 1931 Stromberg v. California, the Jews defended Communists' free 
> speech
> rights. Six decades later, in R. v. Keegstra, the Jews sued to prevent the
> teaching of an alternative to the Exterminationist theory known as
> "Revisionism" -- and won."
>
> Please provide documentary evidence that Mr. Keegstra was "sued by Jews" 
> as
> you claim, and show how the Supreme Court of Canada lied when it said:
>
>   Mr. James Keegstra was a high school teacher in Eckville,
> Alberta, from the early 1970's until his dismissal in 1982.
> In 1984, Mr. Keegstra was charged under s. 319(2) (then
> 281.2(2)) of the Criminal Code with unlawfully promoting
> hatred against an identifiable group by communicating
> anti-Semitic statements to his students. He was convicted by
> a jury in a trial before McKenzie J. of the Alberta Court of
> Queen's Bench.
>
>   Mr. Keegstra's teachings attributed various evil
> qualities to Jews. He thus described Jews to his pupils as
> ''treacherous'', ''subversive'', ''sadistic'',
> ''money-loving'', ''power hungry'' and ''child killers''. He
> taught his classes that Jewish people seek to destroy
> Christianity and are responsible for depressions, anarchy,
> chaos, wars and revolution. According to Mr. Keegstra, Jews
> ''created the Holocaust to gain sympathy'' and, in contrast
> to the open and honest Christians, were said to be
> deceptive, secretive and inherently evil. Mr. Keegstra
> expected his students to reproduce his teachings in class
> and on exams. If they failed to do so, their marks suffered.
>
>   Prior to his trial, Mr. Keegstra applied to the Court of
> Queen's Bench in Alberta for an order quashing the charge on
> a number of grounds, the primary one being that s. 319(2) of
> the Criminal Code unjustifiably infringed his freedom of
> expression as guaranteed by s. 2(b) of the Charter. Among
> the other grounds of appeal was the allegation that the
> defence of truth found in s. 319(3)(a) of the Code violates
> the Charter's presumption of innocence. The application was
> dismissed by Quigley J., and Mr. Keegstra was thereafter
> tried and convicted. He then appealed his conviction to the
> Alberta Court of Appeal, raising the same Charter issues.
> The Court of Appeal unanimously accepted his argument, and
> it is from this judgment that the Crown appeals.
>
>   The Attorneys-General of Canada, Quebec, Ontario,
> Manitoba and New Brunswick, the Canadian Jewish Congress,
> Interamicus, the League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith,
> Canada, and the Women's Legal Education and Action Fund
> (L.E.A.F.) have intervened in this appeal in support of the
> Crown. The Canadian Civil Liberties Association has
> intervened in support of striking down the impugned
> legislation.
>
> Question 6:
>
> In article , you wrote:
>
> "Why is it that most if not all Holocaust supporting articles are written 
> by
> Jews or are sponsored by Jewish organization."
>
> Please prove your claim by providing data which supports it. List all 
> "Holocaust
> supporting" articles and document the Jewish background of the authors.
>
> Question 7:
>
> On July 30, 2007, you wrote:
>
> "...it was actually American Jews that sold iron and oil to Nazi
> Germany by using Sweden as a proxy since American jews couldn't
> deal directly with Nazi Germany.
>
> "Sweden banks that financed it were run by Jews, as well as proxy
> companies that were setup by jewish bank owners. Swedish people
> didn't have a clue what was being done behind their backs."
>
> Please document these assertions, naming the "American Jews"
> involved and the Swedish banks that were "setup by Jewish bank
> owners."
>
> Question 8:
>
> On July 31, 2007, you asked, "Why is it that most if not all Holocaust 
> supporting
> articles are written by Jews or are sponsored by Jewish organization."
>
> Please provide the data upon which you based these assertions. Include a
> comprehensive list of "Holocaust supporting articles " and their 
> authors,
> and show how each article is either written by a Jew or "sponsored by
> Jewish organizations."
>
> Question 9:
>
> On August 1, 2007, you wrote, "[Wikipedia] is edited by members
> who choose to exaggerate their own race or religion, and jews are
> the forefront of such edits."
>
> Please document your claims - particularly the one about the Jews
> being in the "forefront of such edits."
>
> Question 10:
>
> On August 5, 2007, you wrote:
>
>>Ken's website oMajdanek says 1.5 jews killed
>>http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/camps/maidanek/
>
> ...and...
>
>>KEN IS LYING!!! to put the holocaust in the best light so people would
>>associate the word HOLOCAUST with the JEWS and WW2 so then JEWS could cash
>>in on HOLOCAUST by producing books, interviews, movies (all are tools of
>>propaganda)
>
> Let's visit http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/ and see what we
> find, shall we?
>
> In http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/commission-07, we find the 
> Polish
> Commission (notNizkor) saying, "The Polish-Soviet Extraordinary
> Commission finds that during the four years the Majdanek Extermination
> Camp was in existence the Hitlerite butchers, on thc direct orders of
> their criminal government, exterminated by means of wholesalc shoincluding 
> Snyder, who
> wrote, ""It is
> estimated that 1.5 million inmates were gassed at Maidanek."
>
> (Snyder does NOT, the assertions of Leading Revisionist Scholar snow
> notwithstanding, claim that all the victims were Jewish - that is,
> he was lying - again.)
>
> The same article quotes Davidowitz (1,380,000 dead) and Sachar (500,000 
> dead), while the
> IFZ is quoted as saying that 50,000 *Jews* were murdered there.
>
> The Encyclopedia of the Holocaust is then cited, in a piece on Majdanek 
> written by
> Lublin University's Zygmunt Mankowski, who wrote "close to 500,000 passed
> through. Of those, according to current (1990) estimates, 360,000 died,
> sixty percent from camp conditions, and forty percent from gassing, 
> hanging,
> or being shot."
>
> Mankowski does not, contrary to your blather, claim that all the victims 
> were Jews.
>
> Now we get to the spot where NIZKOR says something, to wit:
>
> "I suspect it may be impossible to determine the numbers, but this article
> (EoH) struck me as reasonable, if for no other reason its mention of the
> transport records and the trials, plus the bibliographic data. I'd
> appreciate it if someone would check the earlier sources cited to 
> determine
> if any orignial source is offered, and get back to us."
>
>>KEN IS LYING!!! to put the holocaust in the bet light so people would
>>associate the word HOLOCAUST with the JEWS and WW2 so then JEWS could cash
>>in on HOLOCAUST by producing books, interviews, movies (all are tools of
>>propaganda)
>
> Please retract your lies, Leading Revisionist Scholar snow,
> now tha they have been exposed.
>
> Question 11:
>
> In article , on August 15,
> 2007, you authored an article which claimed, quote, "Kenneth McVay a
> pedophile and a child molester who molested his own daughter..."
>
> Please document when and where any of my children have
> made such statements or admit you cannot.
>
> Question 12:
>
> In article , posted on
> August 15, 2007, you made the following allegation:
>
> "NIZKOR's self appointed director Ken McVay involved in tax fraud."
>
> Document your allegation that I am involved in tax fraud, or retract it.
>
> Tax someone has committed such an offense, by all means report
> to the federal authorites post haste. Not doing so is, in and of
> itself, a crime.
>
> -- 
> "Drop dead you Jew Kike bastard! Take the chalenge you big mouth hook
> nose" (Scott Bradbury, Bellville, Texas' Leading Revisionist Scholar)
>
> The Nizkor Project:                    http://www.nizkor.org/ 



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"It's all a bit strange"  wrote in 
message news:Xns99DEBCEE369CCTBAnoonecarescom@85.214.62.108...
> "snow"  wrote in
> news:QjuXi.466$0Q5.253@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com:
>
>> It would but I didn't write that statement. Nonetheless there was a
>> rumor that there were certain Jewish leaders who didn't make to work
>> on that day plus that some workers were warned of attacks.
>
> Rumor! then it must be true

You are an idiot. If you don't have a dictionary at home, I provided you 
with a link of online dictionary. Bookmark it for future reference.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/rumor 



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"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message 
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> In article ,
> Connecticut's Dumbest Antisemite, Leading Revisionist
> Ignoramus snow  wrote:
>
>>And now to the whinnying part, OMG FORGER OMG. Let's all email Prodigy. oh
>>my god. RED ALERT.  OMG FORGER. This is end of the world. Leading
>>Revisionist Scholar is a liar and a forger. This is big. Let's all whine
>>together. Perhaps Mr. McVay you could start, you seem to be the best at
>>whinnying.  Don't forget to fire off many emails to prodigy customer
>
> Cry me a river, Leading Revisionist Coward snow. You violated your ISPs
> AUP, and got exactly what you deserved. Do it again, and history will
> repeat itself.
>


I am sure you will report me again with the next opportunity. That's what 
cowards do.



> Now see if you can locate your balls long enough to address your public 
> lies:
>
> Leading Revisionist Scholar snow, it would be unfair, not to mention
> inconsiderate, for anyone to label you as a liar without giving you
> the opportunity to respond by supporting your specious assertions
> with documentary evidence.
>
> Question 1:
>
> On July 25, 2007, you made two claims, to wit:
>
> 1. That no one was gassed at Auschwitz or Majdanek
> 2. That the "gas chamber in aushwitz were build by russians after the
>   so called liberation."
>
> Please document your claims or retract them.
>
> Question 2: On July 26, 2007, you wrote:
>
> "I am still having a problem with the myth of gassing the jews."
>
> Please support your assertion with documentary evidence that homocidal
> gassings are a "myth."
>
> Question 3:
>
> On July 26, 2007, you claimed that, "jews come out with awards so they
> could award other jews and it is all based on how much you paid and to
> whom and actually has very little to do with achievements."
>
> Please document these claims or retract them.
>
> Question 4:
>
> On July 29, 2007, you claimed, "...McVay in one of the threads stated
> that 'if you question holocaust then you are automatically anti-Semite."
>
> Please provide an exact Google Groups link to any article in which
> I made such a statement.
>
> Question 5:
>
> In article ,
>
> you wrote:
>
> "In 1931 Stromberg v. California, the Jews defended Communists' free 
> speech
> rights. Six decades later, in R. v. Keegstra, the Jews sued to prevent the
> teaching of an alternative to the Exterminationist theory known as
> "Revisionism" -- and won."
>
> Please provide documentary evidence that Mr. Keegstra was "sued by Jews" 
> as
> you claim, and show how the Supreme Court of Canada lied when it said:
>
>   Mr. James Keegstra was a high school teacher in Eckville,
> Alberta, from the early 1970's until his dismissal in 1982.
> In 1984, Mr. Keegstra was charged under s. 319(2) (then
> 281.2(2)) of the Criminal Code with unlawfully promoting
> hatred against an identifiable group by communicating
> anti-Semitic statements to his students. He was convicted by
> a jury in a trial before McKenzie J. of the Alberta Court of
> Queen's Bench.
>
>   Mr. Keegstra's teachings attributed various evil
> qualities to Jews. He thus described Jews to his pupils as
> ''treacherous'', ''subversive'', ''sadistic'',
> ''money-loving'', ''power hungry'' and ''child killers''. He
> taught his classes that Jewish people seek to destroy
> Christianity and are responsible for depressions, anarchy,
> chaos, wars and revolution. According to Mr. Keegstra, Jews
> ''created the Holocaust to gain sympathy'' and, in contrast
> to the open and honest Christians, were said to be
> deceptive, secretive and inherently evil. Mr. Keegstra
> expected his students to reproduce his teachings in class
> and on exams. If they failed to do so, their marks suffered.
>
>   Prior to his trial, Mr. Keegstra applied to the Court of
> Queen's Bench in Alberta for an order quashing the charge on
> a number of grounds, the primary one being that s. 319(2) of
> the Criminal Code unjustifiably infringed his freedom of
> expression as guaranteed by s. 2(b) of the Charter. Among
> the other grounds of appeal was the allegation that the
> defence of truth found in s. 319(3)(a) of the Code violates
> the Charter's presumption of innocence. The application was
> dismissed by Quigley J., and Mr. Keegstra was thereafter
> tried and convicted. He then appealed his conviction to the
> Alberta Court of Appeal, raising the same Charter issues.
> The Court of Appeal unanimously accepted his argument, and
> it is from this judgment that the Crown appeals.
>
>   The Attorneys-General of Canada, Quebec, Ontario,
> Manitoba and New Brunswick, the Canadian Jewish Congress,
> Interamicus, the League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith,
> Canada, and the Women's Legal Education and Action Fund
> (L.E.A.F.) have intervened in this appeal in support of the
> Crown. The Canadian Civil Liberties Association has
> intervened in support of striking down the impugned
> legislation.
>
> Question 6:
>
> In article , you wrote:
>
> "Why is it that most if not all Holocaust supporting articles are written 
> by
> Jews or are sponsored by Jewish organization."
>
> Please prove your claim by providing data which supports it. List all 
> "Holocaust
> supporting" articles and document the Jewish background of the authors.
>
> Question 7:
>
> On July 30, 2007, you wrote:
>
> "...it was actually American Jews that sold iron and oil to Nazi
> Germany by using Sweden as a proxy since American jews couldn't
> deal directly with Nazi Germany.
>
> "Sweden banks that financed it were run by Jews, as well as proxy
> companies that were setup by jewish bank owners. Swedish people
> didn't have a clue what was being done behind their backs."
>
> Please document these assertions, naming the "American Jews"
> involved and the Swedish banks that were "setup by Jewish bank
> owners."
>
> Question 8:
>
> On July 31, 2007, you asked, "Why is it that most if not all Holocaust 
> supporting
> articles are written by Jews or are sponsored by Jewish organization."
>
> Please provide the data upon which you based these assertions. Include a
> comprehensive list of "Holocaust supporting articles " and their 
> authors,
> and show how each article is either written by a Jew or "sponsored by
> Jewish organizations."
>
> Question 9:
>
> On August 1, 2007, you wrote, "[Wikipedia] is edited by members
> who choose to exaggerate their own race or religion, and jews are
> the forefront of such edits."
>
> Please document your claims - particularly the one about the Jews
> being in the "forefront of such edits."
>
> Question 10:
>
> On August 5, 2007, you wrote:
>
>>Ken's website oMajdanek says 1.5 jews killed
>>http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/camps/maidanek/
>
> ...and...
>
>>KEN IS LYING!!! to put the holocaust in the best light so people would
>>associate the word HOLOCAUST with the JEWS and WW2 so then JEWS could cash
>>in on HOLOCAUST by producing books, interviews, movies (all are tools of
>>propaganda)
>
> Let's visit http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/ and see what we
> find, shall we?
>
> In http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/commission-07, we find the 
> Polish
> Commission (notNizkor) saying, "The Polish-Soviet Extraordinary
> Commission finds that during the four years the Majdanek Extermination
> Camp was in existence the Hitlerite butchers, on thc direct orders of
> their criminal government, exterminated by means of wholesalc shoincluding 
> Snyder, who
> wrote, ""It is
> estimated that 1.5 million inmates were gassed at Maidanek."
>
> (Snyder does NOT, the assertions of Leading Revisionist Scholar snow
> notwithstanding, claim that all the victims were Jewish - that is,
> he was lying - again.)
>
> The same article quotes Davidowitz (1,380,000 dead) and Sachar (500,000 
> dead), while the
> IFZ is quoted as saying that 50,000 *Jews* were murdered there.
>
> The Encyclopedia of the Holocaust is then cited, in a piece on Majdanek 
> written by
> Lublin University's Zygmunt Mankowski, who wrote "close to 500,000 passed
> through. Of those, according to current (1990) estimates, 360,000 died,
> sixty percent from camp conditions, and forty percent from gassing, 
> hanging,
> or being shot."
>
> Mankowski does not, contrary to your blather, claim that all the victims 
> were Jews.
>
> Now we get to the spot where NIZKOR says something, to wit:
>
> "I suspect it may be impossible to determine the numbers, but this article
> (EoH) struck me as reasonable, if for no other reason its mention of the
> transport records and the trials, plus the bibliographic data. I'd
> appreciate it if someone would check the earlier sources cited to 
> determine
> if any orignial source is offered, and get back to us."
>
>>KEN IS LYING!!! to put the holocaust in the bet light so people would
>>associate the word HOLOCAUST with the JEWS and WW2 so then JEWS could cash
>>in on HOLOCAUST by producing books, interviews, movies (all are tools of
>>propaganda)
>
> Please retract your lies, Leading Revisionist Scholar snow,
> now tha they have been exposed.
>
> Question 11:
>
> In article , on August 15,
> 2007, you authored an article which claimed, quote, "Kenneth McVay a
> pedophile and a child molester who molested his own daughter..."
>
> Please document when and where any of my children have
> made such statements or admit you cannot.
>
> Question 12:
>
> In article , posted on
> August 15, 2007, you made the following allegation:
>
> "NIZKOR's self appointed director Ken McVay involved in tax fraud."
>
> Document your allegation that I am involved in tax fraud, or retract it.
>
> Tax someone has committed such an offense, by all means report
> to the federal authorites post haste. Not doing so is, in and of
> itself, a crime.
>
> -- 
> "Streicher commit suicide while in the Nuremberg Jail But you
> people did hang him after that"
> (Kurt Knoll, Kitimat, B.C.'s Leading Revisionist Moron)
> The Nizkor Project:                    http://www.nizkor.org/ 



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"El Cucui"  wrote in message 
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>
> "It's all a bit strange"  wrote in 
> message news:Xns99DCB71081432TBAnoonecarescom@85.214.62.108...
>> "El Cucui"  wrote in
>> news:i66dnUNVYOeNI7banZ2dnUVZ_vbinZ2d@giganews.com:
>>
>>> Bad Arolson was locked up because the British French Americans and
>>> Russians wanted it that way. It's now being released because it can't
>>> be hidden from the world any longer
>>
>> Why?
>
> Because some people knew it was there but it wasn't publicized. After 
> sixty years of paying restitution to holocaust victims, most of the 
> original victims are either dead or have already received as much money as 
> they can possibly claim. All the 'needy holocaust survivors' have come 
> forward and been accounted for. The only way to continue extorting money 
> in the name of the holocaust is to come up with more victims or new 
> information that can be used as the basis for additional claims by the 
> current victims. The shakedown of the Swiss bankers was a brilliant 
> fabrication of new information that could be used for more holocaust 
> compensation. The whole "victims gold" angle was great. It worked well 
> enough to get billions of dollars from the Swiss for absolutely nothing. 
> The best part of it is the double shakedown--the needy holocaust survivors 
> for whom the blood money was extracted never even saw a penny! It all went 
> to the Jewish organizations and their lawyers.
>
> But that was a one time deal. Even though the people like the Claims 
> commission and WJC claim there are tens of thousands of holocaust 
> survivors still alive today, there aren't. People who are dumb enough to 
> accept the gas chamber story without question are dumb enough to still 
> think that tens of thousands of holocaust victims could still be alive but 
> that's because they don't stop for two seconds and do the math. They also 
> don't see how thousands and thousands of holocaust survivors still alive 
> today--there have never been more victims of a genocide living to old age 
> before, said one Los Angeles nursing home director--makes it sound like 
> the holocaust must not have been much of genocide. It's not going to be 
> too much longer before it will be impossible to extract more blood money 
> in the name of 'needy holocaust survivors' because nobody in their right 
> mind will believe that there are still any who are alive. You wouldn't 
> give money to somebody collecting for the 'needy survivors of the French 
> revolution' would you?
>
> So the holocaust industry is desperately seeking more sources of income. 
> Poland and eastern Europe are in their scopes right now and something 
> might still happen there. You've got the second generation holocaust 
> survivors who might be able to be exploited for more cash but even alot of 
> Jews are calling bullshit on that. But there's this archive at Bad Arolson 
> that's been there for sixty years. Massive amounts of information that 
> might be able to be used to extract more money. As information about it 
> trickles out, the lawyers take notice of it and the trickle becomes a 
> flood and now the whole world knows about it.
>
> Since everybody involved in the holocaust extortion racket actually 
> believes the whole holocaust story, the possibility that this archive 
> might be their undoing doesn't even enter their mind. So they demand 
> access to it. And that's why we're hearing so much about it.
>>
>>
>> and, probably, because it's taken
>>> this long to figure out exactly how to format the information
>>
>>
>> I do believe the info is not formatted.
>
> I do believe it has to be formatted. If you can visualize a file cabinet 
> with 11 million records in it that's been turned upside down and the 
> contents strewn all over the floor then you can visualize a Bad Arolson 
> archive with no formatting. You might be right and that will be how we 
> receive access to this information. In that case the first task will be to 
> format all the information ourselves.
>
>>
>>
>>> and how
>>> much of it can be released without instantly blowing the lid off the
>>> holocaust story.
>>
>> Probably? that's proof for me.
>
> Really? The hypothetical musings of an anonymous usenet poster is your 
> standard for evidence? Then you probaby do believe in Santa Claus and gas 
> chambers.
>>
>
>


You are so right. Jewish institutions are now going after Poland. No wonder 
Father Rydzyk thinks it should not take place as Poland was the victim of 
WW2 just as Jewish population was, if not more. So what do Jewish 
institutions do, they label Rydzyk anti-Semitic when in reality he is a 
patriot who cares for Poland.
As far as German archives that were apparently under the lock up until 
recently, one must understand that Germany LOST WW2 and their new government 
was created, sponsored and influenced by THE ALLIES. (if anyone have 
difficult time understanding the concept, look at IRAQ and their new 
government). 



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"Richard Warren"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Kurt Knoll"  wrote in message 
> news:ZVFWi.169039$th2.124467@pd7urf3no...
>> Winston Churchill said at one time. He will try anything to engage Hitler 
>> into a war, Even when it means he has to cheat and lye. Would it not be 
>> nice if we could read all the news papers again and not that they want us 
>> to see.
>>
>> Kurt Knoll.
>
>
>
>
> Kurt Knoll, the village idiot of Kitimat, said this at one time:
>
> "Listen guy. Your holocuast industries is clear. For another trik and
> I'll hold my scrotum in my mouth for as long as it taks."
>
>


Hahahah, LOL, so you do write down what anyone said in this forum.  This is 
amusing, don't you have better things to do than archive Kurt's post. LOSER!





>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>
>> "It's all a bit strange"  wrote in 
>> message news:Xns99DCD027FBAFTBAnoonecarescom@85.214.62.108...
>>> "El Cucui"  wrote in
>>> news:b4CdnZq-VvV4TrfanZ2dnUVZ_tLinZ2d@giganews.com:
>>>
>>>> And, btw, Hitler didn't start WWII by ordering certain events. England
>>>> and France started WWII when they declared war on Germany.
>>>
>>> After Hitler invaded Poland, which I believe started the european part 
>>> of
>>> WWII.
>>
>>
>
>
> 


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"Richard Warren"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
> news:pZadnU1bMp_cqa3anZ2dnUVZ_tTinZ2d@comcast.com...
>> It's all a bit strange wrote:
>>> Protagonist  wrote in news:xKmdnXl-
>>> qM9Phq3anZ2dnUVZ_smnnZ2d@comcast.com:
>>>
>>>> pdf of Simon Weasel Center's 2002 public tax information.
>>>>
>>>> http://fpp.co.uk/docs/Wiesenthal/swc_finances_2002.pdf
>>>> __________________
>>>>
>>>
>>> wow, look at that, szaki found public info.
>>
>> Nice eh?
>> 8,119,117 in Government grants.
>> My Tax $$$ in Jewish hands.
>> No wonder, McVay is on the Holohoax wagon!
>> JS
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Szaki's share was about 8 cents and he whines about each penny.  ROTFL!
>


It's not about each penny, It is about that bridge that collapsed and killed 
people. If we could spend 8 million tax payers money on that bridge instead 
of donations we could have saved lives of Americans.
I didn't know the government donates money to nonprofit institutions when 
they have the war to finance plus many other things such as education that 
they could have spend tax money on. Just proves that Jewish lobby is 
stronger than American public who votes for government officials. If CODOH 
got that 8 million dollars, perhaps they could pay the bills. 



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"Protagonist"  wrote in message 
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> 127.0.0.1 wrote:
>> On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 17:59:55 -0800
>> Protagonist  wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.miamiherald.com/news/world/AP/v-morephotos/story/295620.html
>>> http://www.islandpacket.com/world/story/70637.html
>>>
>>> Ultranationalist demonstrators give Nazi salute during their
>>> authorized rally in downtown Moscow, on Sunday Nov. 4, 2007.
>>> Thousands of far-right nationalists plan to march in Moscow and other
>>> cities Sunday, appropriating for their own cause a new holiday
>>> created by the Kremlin to promote patriotism. The marches, with a
>>> pro-white and anti-immigrant bent, are a reflection of rising
>>> xenophobia in Russia. Rights activists say they are a natural
>>> outgrowth of the Kremlin's attempts to rebuild a strong Russian state.
>>
>> Here are more pics from that same rally...
>> http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?s=5602d453d2a4d21c5ad14f10a562a3f3&t=60448
>
> >>Look Ma - NO niggers. And the police even look friendly.<<
> (o:
>
> Girl on the 3d picture, damn good looking too.
> http://pix.lenta.ru/photo/2007/11/04/rusmarsh07/17.jpg


>From personal experience living under soviet rule, Russians are very 
patriotic, especially since communism collapsed and Russia is not being 
considered the power it once considered to be. Also knowing the history of 
Russia and Jews and communism, I must say that Russians have very limited 
knowledge of world history and events because they were mostly educated on 
propaganda. Instead of making Russia an economic power, they still think 
they can compete on military level. Such demonstrations are politically 
based on the belief that Russia might be the power it once portrayed to be. 
Being a Pole I must say I am afraid of this Russian movement as it is very 
anti-polish. 



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"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message 
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> In article ,
> Leading Revisionist Coward snow  wrote:
>
>>"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message
>>news:13itg1tbv6i4v3d@corp.supernews.com...
>>> In article ,
>>> Leading Revisionist Scholar snow, moron and liar, 
>>> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Must be a reason why you don't know that you are a moron, but don't 
>>>>worry,
>>>>we all noticed it long time ago, We were just waiting for you to notice 
>>>>it
>>>>but "Then again, morons never know they are morons".
>>>
>>> You, however, know you are a liar and a coward, Leading Revisionist 
>>> Moron
>>> snow.
>>> Now tuck that yellow tail between your legs and run, because here are 
>>> but
>>> a few
>>> of your lies - again:
>>
>>
>>It must not occurred to you that I have been ignoring your questions and
>>will continue ignoring it as I really don't have the answers that you 
>>would
>>like me to give. Feel free to post these questions over and over and over
>
> It must not have occurred to you that I have been repeating the questions
> to forever brand you as a liar, a coward, and a racist. I will continue to
> do so until your humiliation is complete.


I don't feel humiliated. I feel amused by your persistence even though I 
said many times I don't have the answers you are looking for.
But it is cowardly to report someone instead of trying to win the arguments 
by providing facts.  Seems you are very sensitive to labeling because you 
even made a new post when I labeled you as a coward. You also seem not only 
be sensitive to labeling but also seem to be master of labeling, which is 
also amusing. Perhaps others care for labels. I don't.
Keep on reposting same questions buddy.  The only effect it has, it is 
taking your time which you could spend doing other things like improving the 
graphical interface of your website.


>
>
> Leading Revisionist Scholar snow, it would be unfair, not to mention
> inconsiderate, for anyone to label you as a liar without giving you
> the opportunity to respond by supporting your specious assertions
> with documentary evidence.
>
> Question 1:
>
> On July 25, 2007, you made two claims, to wit:
>
> 1. That no one was gassed at Auschwitz or Majdanek
> 2. That the "gas chamber in aushwitz were build by russians after the
>   so called liberation."
>
> Please document your claims or retract them.
>
> Question 2: On July 26, 2007, you wrote:
>
> "I am still having a problem with the myth of gassing the jews."
>
> Please support your assertion with documentary evidence that homocidal
> gassings are a "myth."
>
> Question 3:
>
> On July 26, 2007, you claimed that, "jews come out with awards so they
> could award other jews and it is all based on how much you paid and to
> whom and actually has very little to do with achievements."
>
> Please document these claims or retract them.
>
> Question 4:
>
> On July 29, 2007, you claimed, "...McVay in one of the threads stated
> that 'if you question holocaust then you are automatically anti-Semite."
>
> Please provide an exact Google Groups link to any article in which
> I made such a statement.
>
> Question 5:
>
> In article ,
>
> you wrote:
>
> "In 1931 Stromberg v. California, the Jews defended Communists' free 
> speech
> rights. Six decades later, in R. v. Keegstra, the Jews sued to prevent the
> teaching of an alternative to the Exterminationist theory known as
> "Revisionism" -- and won."
>
> Please provide documentary evidence that Mr. Keegstra was "sued by Jews" 
> as
> you claim, and show how the Supreme Court of Canada lied when it said:
>
>   Mr. James Keegstra was a high school teacher in Eckville,
> Alberta, from the early 1970's until his dismissal in 1982.
> In 1984, Mr. Keegstra was charged under s. 319(2) (then
> 281.2(2)) of the Criminal Code with unlawfully promoting
> hatred against an identifiable group by communicating
> anti-Semitic statements to his students. He was convicted by
> a jury in a trial before McKenzie J. of the Alberta Court of
> Queen's Bench.
>
>   Mr. Keegstra's teachings attributed various evil
> qualities to Jews. He thus described Jews to his pupils as
> ''treacherous'', ''subversive'', ''sadistic'',
> ''money-loving'', ''power hungry'' and ''child killers''. He
> taught his classes that Jewish people seek to destroy
> Christianity and are responsible for depressions, anarchy,
> chaos, wars and revolution. According to Mr. Keegstra, Jews
> ''created the Holocaust to gain sympathy'' and, in contrast
> to the open and honest Christians, were said to be
> deceptive, secretive and inherently evil. Mr. Keegstra
> expected his students to reproduce his teachings in class
> and on exams. If they failed to do so, their marks suffered.
>
>   Prior to his trial, Mr. Keegstra applied to the Court of
> Queen's Bench in Alberta for an order quashing the charge on
> a number of grounds, the primary one being that s. 319(2) of
> the Criminal Code unjustifiably infringed his freedom of
> expression as guaranteed by s. 2(b) of the Charter. Among
> the other grounds of appeal was the allegation that the
> defence of truth found in s. 319(3)(a) of the Code violates
> the Charter's presumption of innocence. The application was
> dismissed by Quigley J., and Mr. Keegstra was thereafter
> tried and convicted. He then appealed his conviction to the
> Alberta Court of Appeal, raising the same Charter issues.
> The Court of Appeal unanimously accepted his argument, and
> it is from this judgment that the Crown appeals.
>
>   The Attorneys-General of Canada, Quebec, Ontario,
> Manitoba and New Brunswick, the Canadian Jewish Congress,
> Interamicus, the League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith,
> Canada, and the Women's Legal Education and Action Fund
> (L.E.A.F.) have intervened in this appeal in support of the
> Crown. The Canadian Civil Liberties Association has
> intervened in support of striking down the impugned
> legislation.
>
> Question 6:
>
> In article , you wrote:
>
> "Why is it that most if not all Holocaust supporting articles are written 
> by
> Jews or are sponsored by Jewish organization."
>
> Please prove your claim by providing data which supports it. List all 
> "Holocaust
> supporting" articles and document the Jewish background of the authors.
>
> Question 7:
>
> On July 30, 2007, you wrote:
>
> "...it was actually American Jews that sold iron and oil to Nazi
> Germany by using Sweden as a proxy since American jews couldn't
> deal directly with Nazi Germany.
>
> "Sweden banks that financed it were run by Jews, as well as proxy
> companies that were setup by jewish bank owners. Swedish people
> didn't have a clue what was being done behind their backs."
>
> Please document these assertions, naming the "American Jews"
> involved and the Swedish banks that were "setup by Jewish bank
> owners."
>
> Question 8:
>
> On July 31, 2007, you asked, "Why is it that most if not all Holocaust 
> supporting
> articles are written by Jews or are sponsored by Jewish organization."
>
> Please provide the data upon which you based these assertions. Include a
> comprehensive list of "Holocaust supporting articles " and their 
> authors,
> and show how each article is either written by a Jew or "sponsored by
> Jewish organizations."
>
> Question 9:
>
> On August 1, 2007, you wrote, "[Wikipedia] is edited by members
> who choose to exaggerate their own race or religion, and jews are
> the forefront of such edits."
>
> Please document your claims - particularly the one about the Jews
> being in the "forefront of such edits."
>
> Question 10:
>
> On August 5, 2007, you wrote:
>
>>Ken's website oMajdanek says 1.5 jews killed
>>http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/camps/maidanek/
>
> ...and...
>
>>KEN IS LYING!!! to put the holocaust in the best light so people would
>>associate the word HOLOCAUST with the JEWS and WW2 so then JEWS could cash
>>in on HOLOCAUST by producing books, interviews, movies (all are tools of
>>propaganda)
>
> Let's visit http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/ and see what we
> find, shall we?
>
> In http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/commission-07, we find the 
> Polish
> Commission (notNizkor) saying, "The Polish-Soviet Extraordinary
> Commission finds that during the four years the Majdanek Extermination
> Camp was in existence the Hitlerite butchers, on thc direct orders of
> their criminal government, exterminated by means of wholesalc shoincluding 
> Snyder, who
> wrote, ""It is
> estimated that 1.5 million inmates were gassed at Maidanek."
>
> (Snyder does NOT, the assertions of Leading Revisionist Scholar snow
> notwithstanding, claim that all the victims were Jewish - that is,
> he was lying - again.)
>
> The same article quotes Davidowitz (1,380,000 dead) and Sachar (500,000 
> dead), while the
> IFZ is quoted as saying that 50,000 *Jews* were murdered there.
>
> The Encyclopedia of the Holocaust is then cited, in a piece on Majdanek 
> written by
> Lublin University's Zygmunt Mankowski, who wrote "close to 500,000 passed
> through. Of those, according to current (1990) estimates, 360,000 died,
> sixty percent from camp conditions, and forty percent from gassing, 
> hanging,
> or being shot."
>
> Mankowski does not, contrary to your blather, claim that all the victims 
> were Jews.
>
> Now we get to the spot where NIZKOR says something, to wit:
>
> "I suspect it may be impossible to determine the numbers, but this article
> (EoH) struck me as reasonable, if for no other reason its mention of the
> transport records and the trials, plus the bibliographic data. I'd
> appreciate it if someone would check the earlier sources cited to 
> determine
> if any orignial source is offered, and get back to us."
>
>>KEN IS LYING!!! to put the holocaust in the bet light so people would
>>associate the word HOLOCAUST with the JEWS and WW2 so then JEWS could cash
>>in on HOLOCAUST by producing books, interviews, movies (all are tools of
>>propaganda)
>
> Please retract your lies, Leading Revisionist Scholar snow,
> now tha they have been exposed.
>
> Question 11:
>
> In article , on August 15,
> 2007, you authored an article which claimed, quote, "Kenneth McVay a
> pedophile and a child molester who molested his own daughter..."
>
> Please document when and where any of my children have
> made such statements or admit you cannot.
>
> Question 12:
>
> In article , posted on
> August 15, 2007, you made the following allegation:
>
> "NIZKOR's self appointed director Ken McVay involved in tax fraud."
>
> Document your allegation that I am involved in tax fraud, or retract it.
>
> Tax someone has committed such an offense, by all means report
> to the federal authorites post haste. Not doing so is, in and of
> itself, a crime.
>
> -- 
> "In the final analysis, one does not refute a closed system, a total
> lie that is not refutable to the extent that its conclusions has
> preceded any evidence." (Vidal-Naquet, Pierre. Assassins of Memory,
> New York: Columbia University Press. p.81) 



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IGNORED 


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"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message 
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> In article ,
> Leading Revisionist Scholar snow  wrote:
>
> [crap flushed down the alex seredin]
>
>>This is mostly correct but one must remember that the word 'Holocaust' had
>>been used for centuries and has nothing to do with WW2 and Jews. The Jews
>>who did perish in Nazi work camps were the poor Jews who were a burden on
>>Jewish society.
>
> Six million "poor Jews" perished, Leading Revisionist Scholar snow?
>
>>The rich and educated Jews received Visa's from American
>>embassy and were allowed to immigrated to USA.
>
> Please document your contention by providing United States Government
> data for the Nazi years, Leading Revisionist Liar snow.
>
> Explain how your data supports or does not support USI&NS data from the 
> 1989 Statistical
> Yearbook:
>
> Immigrant Aliens Admitted for Permanent Residence
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> 1936            36,329                  1941            51,776
> 1937            50,244                  1942            28,781
> 1938            67,895                  1943            23,725
> 1939            82,998                  1944            28,551
> 1940            70,756                  1945            38,119
> --------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Total admitted during this period: 479,174
>
> Leading Revisionist Scholar snow, it would be unfair, not to mention
> inconsiderate, for anyone to label you as a liar without giving you
> the opportunity to respond by supporting your specious assertions
> with documentary evidence.
>


You obviously don't understand the difference between receiving a VISA  and 
receiving a green card.

*****
Once in power Hitler was quick to express anti-Semitic ideas. .........
Many Jewish people now left the country. This included a large number of 
scientists including Albert Einstein, Edward Teller, Otto Frisch, Felix 
Bloch, Eugene Wigner, Leo Szilard, Lise Meitner, Otto Meyerhof, and Fritz 
Haber. Most of these scientists went to live in Britain and the United 
States and later played an important role in developing technology that was 
used against Nazi Germany in the Second World War.

The number of Jews emigrating increased after the passing of the Nuremberg 
Laws on Citizenship and Race in 1935. Under this new law Jews could no 
longer be citizens of Germany. It was also made illegal for Jews to marry 
Aryans.

The pressure on Jews to leave Germany intensified. Hitler, Joseph Goebbels 
and Reinhard Heydrich organized a new programme designed to encourage Jews 
to emigrate. Crystal Night took place on 9th-10th November, 1938. Presented 
as a spontaneous reaction of the German people to the news that a German 
diplomat had been murdered by a young Jewish refugee in Paris, the whole 
event was in fact organized by the NSDAP.

During Crystal Night over 7,500 Jewish shops were destroyed and 400 
synagogues were burnt down. Ninety-one Jews were killed and an estimated 
20,000 were sent to concentration camps. Up until this time these camps had 
been mainly for political prisoners. The only people who were punished for 
the crimes committed on Crystal Night were members of the Sturm Abteilung 
(SA) who had raped Jewish women (they had broken the Nuremberg Laws on 
sexual intercourse between Aryans and Jews).

After Crystal Night the numbers of Jews wishing to leave Germany increased 
dramatically. It has been calculated that between 1933 and 1939, 
approximately half the Jewish population of Germany (250,000) left the 
country. This included several Jewish scientists who were to play an 
important role in the fight against fascism during the war. A higher number 
of Jews would have left but anti-Semitism was not restricted to Germany and 
many countries were reluctant to take them.

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/GERjews.htm

***** 



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"Bert Hyman"  wrote in message 
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> In news:lVNXi.18939$JD.14403@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net "snow"
>  wrote:
>
>> "Colonel Sanders"  wrote in message
>> news:1194262220.845943.227210@t8g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>>> http://www.zoopedia.org/en/
>>>
>>> Due to popular demand. - Wiki got a new user interface.:)
>>>
>>
>> Thanks for sharing. Personally I wasn't aware of existence of such
>> website. Now I am going to spend couple of weeks to go through every
>> article.
>
> Why? Are you a Nazi?
>
> Or just a masochist?
>
> -- 
> Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN bert@iphouse.com

Neither but absorbing knowledge seems to the right thing to do. 



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"It's all a bit strange"  wrote in 
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> "snow"  wrote in news:YrOXi.18951$JD.1330
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>
>> More than half of Gulag's population was Polish.
>> Also regarding German POW
>
> Is that supposed to be proof that germans were worked to death in the
> Gulags?

No it supposed to prove that GULAGS were for Poles and Russians.
Russians didn't take German POWs. Most of Germany fought to the death and if 
that didn't happen, Russians killed them. One must remember that Russian 
army starved and any additional mouths to feed were a burden therefore most 
German POW were killed on the spot after they surrendered. 



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"It's all a bit strange"  wrote in 
message news:Xns99DFAB1FBC57TBAnoonecarescom@85.214.62.108...
> "snow"  wrote in news:eHOXi.18958$JD.6
> @newssvr21.news.prodigy.net:
>
>>  People with Alzheimer repeat themselves, make
>> sure you get a second opinion from a doctor. It looks like you might be
>> suffering from Alzheimer.
>
> And you think that having a critical conversation with someone 
> (supposedly)
> suffering from alzheimers adds to your credibility


No, because I am not having a critical conversation and I am ignoring Mr. 
McVay's questions because of his record of misrepresenting data and 
statements and being an asshole in general. 



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"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message 
news:13ivg292roe7ma3@corp.supernews.com...
> In article ,
> Leading Revisionist Coward snow  wrote:
>
>>"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message
>>news:13iteq82a6947d2@corp.supernews.com...
>>> In article ,
>>> Leading Revisionist Moron snow, the biggest coward in Connecticut,
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>>Obese and ugly girls are usually more open to sex than good looking 
>>>>gals.
>>>
>>> How do you know Ms. Salzman is "obese and ugly," Leading Revisionist
>>> Scholar snow -
>>> particularly given your track record of uttering public liesnd the fact
>>> that
>>> you have never met or seen her?
>>
>>
>>http://www.fpp.co.uk/ActionReport/AR25/images/Sara_Salzman_150.jpg
>>http://www.fpp.co.uk/ActionReport/AR25/images/Sara_Salzman.jpg
>
> Evasion noted, Cowardly snow. Have you ever met or seen her?
>
> Clearly, the answer is no, and yet you feel free to make ridiculous claims
> about her anyway.
>
> What a moron.

You are a moron because I never said SARA was ugly and obese. I said ugly 
and obese girls are usually more sexual than good looking girls.
Also I had seen Sara's picture in which she seems to be a good looking gal, 
A little overweight perhaps but one of the pictures seems to intentionally 
stretched.


>
> Leading Revisionist Scholar snow, it would be unfair, not to mention
> inconsiderate, for anyone to label you as a liar without giving you
> the opportunity to respond by supporting your specious assertions
> with documentary evidence.
>
> Question 1:
>
> On July 25, 2007, you made two claims, to wit:
>
> 1. That no one was gassed at Auschwitz or Majdanek
> 2. That the "gas chamber in aushwitz were build by russians after the
>   so called liberation."
>
> Please document your claims or retract them.
>
> Question 2: On July 26, 2007, you wrote:
>
> "I am still having a problem with the myth of gassing the jews."
>
> Please support your assertion with documentary evidence that homocidal
> gassings are a "myth."
>
> Question 3:
>
> On July 26, 2007, you claimed that, "jews come out with awards so they
> could award other jews and it is all based on how much you paid and to
> whom and actually has very little to do with achievements."
>
> Please document these claims or retract them.
>
> Question 4:
>
> On July 29, 2007, you claimed, "...McVay in one of the threads stated
> that 'if you question holocaust then you are automatically anti-Semite."
>
> Please provide an exact Google Groups link to any article in which
> I made such a statement.
>
> Question 5:
>
> In article ,
>
> you wrote:
>
> "In 1931 Stromberg v. California, the Jews defended Communists' free 
> speech
> rights. Six decades later, in R. v. Keegstra, the Jews sued to prevent the
> teaching of an alternative to the Exterminationist theory known as
> "Revisionism" -- and won."
>
> Please provide documentary evidence that Mr. Keegstra was "sued by Jews" 
> as
> you claim, and show how the Supreme Court of Canada lied when it said:
>
>   Mr. James Keegstra was a high school teacher in Eckville,
> Alberta, from the early 1970's until his dismissal in 1982.
> In 1984, Mr. Keegstra was charged under s. 319(2) (then
> 281.2(2)) of the Criminal Code with unlawfully promoting
> hatred against an identifiable group by communicating
> anti-Semitic statements to his students. He was convicted by
> a jury in a trial before McKenzie J. of the Alberta Court of
> Queen's Bench.
>
>   Mr. Keegstra's teachings attributed various evil
> qualities to Jews. He thus described Jews to his pupils as
> ''treacherous'', ''subversive'', ''sadistic'',
> ''money-loving'', ''power hungry'' and ''child killers''. He
> taught his classes that Jewish people seek to destroy
> Christianity and are responsible for depressions, anarchy,
> chaos, wars and revolution. According to Mr. Keegstra, Jews
> ''created the Holocaust to gain sympathy'' and, in contrast
> to the open and honest Christians, were said to be
> deceptive, secretive and inherently evil. Mr. Keegstra
> expected his students to reproduce his teachings in class
> and on exams. If they failed to do so, their marks suffered.
>
>   Prior to his trial, Mr. Keegstra applied to the Court of
> Queen's Bench in Alberta for an order quashing the charge on
> a number of grounds, the primary one being that s. 319(2) of
> the Criminal Code unjustifiably infringed his freedom of
> expression as guaranteed by s. 2(b) of the Charter. Among
> the other grounds of appeal was the allegation that the
> defence of truth found in s. 319(3)(a) of the Code violates
> the Charter's presumption of innocence. The application was
> dismissed by Quigley J., and Mr. Keegstra was thereafter
> tried and convicted. He then appealed his conviction to the
> Alberta Court of Appeal, raising the same Charter issues.
> The Court of Appeal unanimously accepted his argument, and
> it is from this judgment that the Crown appeals.
>
>   The Attorneys-General of Canada, Quebec, Ontario,
> Manitoba and New Brunswick, the Canadian Jewish Congress,
> Interamicus, the League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith,
> Canada, and the Women's Legal Education and Action Fund
> (L.E.A.F.) have intervened in this appeal in support of the
> Crown. The Canadian Civil Liberties Association has
> intervened in support of striking down the impugned
> legislation.
>
> Question 6:
>
> In article , you wrote:
>
> "Why is it that most if not all Holocaust supporting articles are written 
> by
> Jews or are sponsored by Jewish organization."
>
> Please prove your claim by providing data which supports it. List all 
> "Holocaust
> supporting" articles and document the Jewish background of the authors.
>
> Question 7:
>
> On July 30, 2007, you wrote:
>
> "...it was actually American Jews that sold iron and oil to Nazi
> Germany by using Sweden as a proxy since American jews couldn't
> deal directly with Nazi Germany.
>
> "Sweden banks that financed it were run by Jews, as well as proxy
> companies that were setup by jewish bank owners. Swedish people
> didn't have a clue what was being done behind their backs."
>
> Please document these assertions, naming the "American Jews"
> involved and the Swedish banks that were "setup by Jewish bank
> owners."
>
> Question 8:
>
> On July 31, 2007, you asked, "Why is it that most if not all Holocaust 
> supporting
> articles are written by Jews or are sponsored by Jewish organization."
>
> Please provide the data upon which you based these assertions. Include a
> comprehensive list of "Holocaust supporting articles " and their 
> authors,
> and show how each article is either written by a Jew or "sponsored by
> Jewish organizations."
>
> Question 9:
>
> On August 1, 2007, you wrote, "[Wikipedia] is edited by members
> who choose to exaggerate their own race or religion, and jews are
> the forefront of such edits."
>
> Please document your claims - particularly the one about the Jews
> being in the "forefront of such edits."
>
> Question 10:
>
> On August 5, 2007, you wrote:
>
>>Ken's website oMajdanek says 1.5 jews killed
>>http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/camps/maidanek/
>
> ...and...
>
>>KEN IS LYING!!! to put the holocaust in the best light so people would
>>associate the word HOLOCAUST with the JEWS and WW2 so then JEWS could cash
>>in on HOLOCAUST by producing books, interviews, movies (all are tools of
>>propaganda)
>
> Let's visit http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/ and see what we
> find, shall we?
>
> In http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/commission-07, we find the 
> Polish
> Commission (notNizkor) saying, "The Polish-Soviet Extraordinary
> Commission finds that during the four years the Majdanek Extermination
> Camp was in existence the Hitlerite butchers, on thc direct orders of
> their criminal government, exterminated by means of wholesalc shoincluding 
> Snyder, who
> wrote, ""It is
> estimated that 1.5 million inmates were gassed at Maidanek."
>
> (Snyder does NOT, the assertions of Leading Revisionist Scholar snow
> notwithstanding, claim that all the victims were Jewish - that is,
> he was lying - again.)
>
> The same article quotes Davidowitz (1,380,000 dead) and Sachar (500,000 
> dead), while the
> IFZ is quoted as saying that 50,000 *Jews* were murdered there.
>
> The Encyclopedia of the Holocaust is then cited, in a piece on Majdanek 
> written by
> Lublin University's Zygmunt Mankowski, who wrote "close to 500,000 passed
> through. Of those, according to current (1990) estimates, 360,000 died,
> sixty percent from camp conditions, and forty percent from gassing, 
> hanging,
> or being shot."
>
> Mankowski does not, contrary to your blather, claim that all the victims 
> were Jews.
>
> Now we get to the spot where NIZKOR says something, to wit:
>
> "I suspect it may be impossible to determine the numbers, but this article
> (EoH) struck me as reasonable, if for no other reason its mention of the
> transport records and the trials, plus the bibliographic data. I'd
> appreciate it if someone would check the earlier sources cited to 
> determine
> if any orignial source is offered, and get back to us."
>
>>KEN IS LYING!!! to put the holocaust in the bet light so people would
>>associate the word HOLOCAUST with the JEWS and WW2 so then JEWS could cash
>>in on HOLOCAUST by producing books, interviews, movies (all are tools of
>>propaganda)
>
> Please retract your lies, Leading Revisionist Scholar snow,
> now tha they have been exposed.
>
> Question 11:
>
> In article , on August 15,
> 2007, you authored an article which claimed, quote, "Kenneth McVay a
> pedophile and a child molester who molested his own daughter..."
>
> Please document when and where any of my children have
> made such statements or admit you cannot.
>
> Question 12:
>
> In article , posted on
> August 15, 2007, you made the following allegation:
>
> "NIZKOR's self appointed director Ken McVay involved in tax fraud."
>
> Document your allegation that I am involved in tax fraud, or retract it.
>
> Tax someone has committed such an offense, by all means report
> to the federal authorites post haste. Not doing so is, in and of
> itself, a crime.
>
> -- 
> "My name is not Fatboy you dirty kike swine ... STOP BEING
> FILTHY JEW KIKE VERMIN LIAR!!" (Scott Bradbury,
> Bellville, Texas' Leading Revisionist Scholar)
> The Nizkor Project:                    http://www.nizkor.org/ 



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Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 04:37:07 GMT



"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message 
news:13ivfutne0en098@corp.supernews.com...
> In article ,
> snow  wrote:
>>
>>
>>"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message
>>news:13itfnfq844t8a4@corp.supernews.com...
>>> In article ,
>>> Connecticut's Dumbest Antisemite, Leading Revisionist
>>> Ignoramus snow  wrote:
>>>
>>>>And now to the whinnying part, OMG FORGER OMG. Let's all email Prodigy. 
>>>>oh
>>>>my god. RED ALERT.  OMG FORGER. This is end of the world. Leading
>>>>Revisionist Scholar is a liar and a forger. This is big. Let's all whine
>>>>together. Perhaps Mr. McVay you could start, you seem to be the best at
>>>>whinnying.  Don't forget to fire off many emails to prodigy customer
>>>
>>> Cry me a river, Leading Revisionist Coward snow. You violated your ISPs
>>> AUP, and got exactly what you deserved. Do it again, and history will
>>> repeat itself.
>>
>>I am sure you will report me again with the next opportunity. That's what
>>cowards do.
>
> That's what responsible citizens do when criminals flaunt the law, Leading 
> Revisionsit
> Lawbreaker snow.
>
> Live with it, moron.

That is what GESTAPO and SS do. They convinced Poles to report on Jews, 
because as you put it that's what responsible citizens do.
Instead many Poles hid the Jews from SS and GESTAPO and now these Jews are 
alive and thankful.  Perhaps if they were responsible citizens and reported 
to the GESTAPO then the total number of Jews vanished could really add up to 
6 million.

>
>>> Now see if you can locate your balls long enough to address your public
>>> lies:
>
> Still can't find your balls, eh, Leading Revisionist Coward snow? All 
> mouth, no balls?
>
> Let's try again, shall we?
>
> Leading Revisionist Scholar snow, it would be unfair, not to mention
> inconsiderate, for anyone to label you as a liar without giving you
> the opportunity to respond by supporting your specious assertions
> with documentary evidence.
>
> Question 1:
>
> On July 25, 2007, you made two claims, to wit:
>
> 1. That no one was gassed at Auschwitz or Majdanek
> 2. That the "gas chamber in aushwitz were build by russians after the
>   so called liberation."
>
> Please document your claims or retract them.
>
> Question 2: On July 26, 2007, you wrote:
>
> "I am still having a problem with the myth of gassing the jews."
>
> Please support your assertion with documentary evidence that homocidal
> gassings are a "myth."
>
> Question 3:
>
> On July 26, 2007, you claimed that, "jews come out with awards so they
> could award other jews and it is all based on how much you paid and to
> whom and actually has very little to do with achievements."
>
> Please document these claims or retract them.
>
> Question 4:
>
> On July 29, 2007, you claimed, "...McVay in one of the threads stated
> that 'if you question holocaust then you are automatically anti-Semite."
>
> Please provide an exact Google Groups link to any article in which
> I made such a statement.
>
> Question 5:
>
> In article ,
>
> you wrote:
>
> "In 1931 Stromberg v. California, the Jews defended Communists' free 
> speech
> rights. Six decades later, in R. v. Keegstra, the Jews sued to prevent the
> teaching of an alternative to the Exterminationist theory known as
> "Revisionism" -- and won."
>
> Please provide documentary evidence that Mr. Keegstra was "sued by Jews" 
> as
> you claim, and show how the Supreme Court of Canada lied when it said:
>
>   Mr. James Keegstra was a high school teacher in Eckville,
> Alberta, from the early 1970's until his dismissal in 1982.
> In 1984, Mr. Keegstra was charged under s. 319(2) (then
> 281.2(2)) of the Criminal Code with unlawfully promoting
> hatred against an identifiable group by communicating
> anti-Semitic statements to his students. He was convicted by
> a jury in a trial before McKenzie J. of the Alberta Court of
> Queen's Bench.
>
>   Mr. Keegstra's teachings attributed various evil
> qualities to Jews. He thus described Jews to his pupils as
> ''treacherous'', ''subversive'', ''sadistic'',
> ''money-loving'', ''power hungry'' and ''child killers''. He
> taught his classes that Jewish people seek to destroy
> Christianity and are responsible for depressions, anarchy,
> chaos, wars and revolution. According to Mr. Keegstra, Jews
> ''created the Holocaust to gain sympathy'' and, in contrast
> to the open and honest Christians, were said to be
> deceptive, secretive and inherently evil. Mr. Keegstra
> expected his students to reproduce his teachings in class
> and on exams. If they failed to do so, their marks suffered.
>
>   Prior to his trial, Mr. Keegstra applied to the Court of
> Queen's Bench in Alberta for an order quashing the charge on
> a number of grounds, the primary one being that s. 319(2) of
> the Criminal Code unjustifiably infringed his freedom of
> expression as guaranteed by s. 2(b) of the Charter. Among
> the other grounds of appeal was the allegation that the
> defence of truth found in s. 319(3)(a) of the Code violates
> the Charter's presumption of innocence. The application was
> dismissed by Quigley J., and Mr. Keegstra was thereafter
> tried and convicted. He then appealed his conviction to the
> Alberta Court of Appeal, raising the same Charter issues.
> The Court of Appeal unanimously accepted his argument, and
> it is from this judgment that the Crown appeals.
>
>   The Attorneys-General of Canada, Quebec, Ontario,
> Manitoba and New Brunswick, the Canadian Jewish Congress,
> Interamicus, the League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith,
> Canada, and the Women's Legal Education and Action Fund
> (L.E.A.F.) have intervened in this appeal in support of the
> Crown. The Canadian Civil Liberties Association has
> intervened in support of striking down the impugned
> legislation.
>
> Question 6:
>
> In article , you wrote:
>
> "Why is it that most if not all Holocaust supporting articles are written 
> by
> Jews or are sponsored by Jewish organization."
>
> Please prove your claim by providing data which supports it. List all 
> "Holocaust
> supporting" articles and document the Jewish background of the authors.
>
> Question 7:
>
> On July 30, 2007, you wrote:
>
> "...it was actually American Jews that sold iron and oil to Nazi
> Germany by using Sweden as a proxy since American jews couldn't
> deal directly with Nazi Germany.
>
> "Sweden banks that financed it were run by Jews, as well as proxy
> companies that were setup by jewish bank owners. Swedish people
> didn't have a clue what was being done behind their backs."
>
> Please document these assertions, naming the "American Jews"
> involved and the Swedish banks that were "setup by Jewish bank
> owners."
>
> Question 8:
>
> On July 31, 2007, you asked, "Why is it that most if not all Holocaust 
> supporting
> articles are written by Jews or are sponsored by Jewish organization."
>
> Please provide the data upon which you based these assertions. Include a
> comprehensive list of "Holocaust supporting articles " and their 
> authors,
> and show how each article is either written by a Jew or "sponsored by
> Jewish organizations."
>
> Question 9:
>
> On August 1, 2007, you wrote, "[Wikipedia] is edited by members
> who choose to exaggerate their own race or religion, and jews are
> the forefront of such edits."
>
> Please document your claims - particularly the one about the Jews
> being in the "forefront of such edits."
>
> Question 10:
>
> On August 5, 2007, you wrote:
>
>>Ken's website oMajdanek says 1.5 jews killed
>>http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/camps/maidanek/
>
> ...and...
>
>>KEN IS LYING!!! to put the holocaust in the best light so people would
>>associate the word HOLOCAUST with the JEWS and WW2 so then JEWS could cash
>>in on HOLOCAUST by producing books, interviews, movies (all are tools of
>>propaganda)
>
> Let's visit http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/ and see what we
> find, shall we?
>
> In http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/commission-07, we find the 
> Polish
> Commission (notNizkor) saying, "The Polish-Soviet Extraordinary
> Commission finds that during the four years the Majdanek Extermination
> Camp was in existence the Hitlerite butchers, on thc direct orders of
> their criminal government, exterminated by means of wholesalc shoincluding 
> Snyder, who
> wrote, ""It is
> estimated that 1.5 million inmates were gassed at Maidanek."
>
> (Snyder does NOT, the assertions of Leading Revisionist Scholar snow
> notwithstanding, claim that all the victims were Jewish - that is,
> he was lying - again.)
>
> The same article quotes Davidowitz (1,380,000 dead) and Sachar (500,000 
> dead), while the
> IFZ is quoted as saying that 50,000 *Jews* were murdered there.
>
> The Encyclopedia of the Holocaust is then cited, in a piece on Majdanek 
> written by
> Lublin University's Zygmunt Mankowski, who wrote "close to 500,000 passed
> through. Of those, according to current (1990) estimates, 360,000 died,
> sixty percent from camp conditions, and forty percent from gassing, 
> hanging,
> or being shot."
>
> Mankowski does not, contrary to your blather, claim that all the victims 
> were Jews.
>
> Now we get to the spot where NIZKOR says something, to wit:
>
> "I suspect it may be impossible to determine the numbers, but this article
> (EoH) struck me as reasonable, if for no other reason its mention of the
> transport records and the trials, plus the bibliographic data. I'd
> appreciate it if someone would check the earlier sources cited to 
> determine
> if any orignial source is offered, and get back to us."
>
>>KEN IS LYING!!! to put the holocaust in the bet light so people would
>>associate the word HOLOCAUST with the JEWS and WW2 so then JEWS could cash
>>in on HOLOCAUST by producing books, interviews, movies (all are tools of
>>propaganda)
>
> Please retract your lies, Leading Revisionist Scholar snow,
> now tha they have been exposed.
>
> Question 11:
>
> In article , on August 15,
> 2007, you authored an article which claimed, quote, "Kenneth McVay a
> pedophile and a child molester who molested his own daughter..."
>
> Please document when and where any of my children have
> made such statements or admit you cannot.
>
> Question 12:
>
> In article , posted on
> August 15, 2007, you made the following allegation:
>
> "NIZKOR's self appointed director Ken McVay involved in tax fraud."
>
> Document your allegation that I am involved in tax fraud, or retract it.
>
> Tax someone has committed such an offense, by all means report
> to the federal authorites post haste. Not doing so is, in and of
> itself, a crime.
>
> -- 
>   "ALL FACTS IN THE COMPLAINT AND ADMISSIONS ARE DEEMED ADMITTED."
> http://nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/b/bradbury.scott/Edeiken-v-Bradbury-A1.01
>   "ALL FACTS IN THE COMPLAINT AND ADMISSIONS ARE DEEMED ADMITTED."
> http://nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/b/bradbury.scott/Edeiken-v-Bradbury-A1.02 



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"Neil Harrington"  wrote in message 
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> Have other readers seen this?
>
> http://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/articles/jdecwar.html
>
> The Jewish declaration of war on Germany in 1933 is of course old news, 
> but this article (and its sidebars) provides a lot more information on the 
> subject than I've seen before.
>
> Neil
>


One must take under consideration the manipulation of economy by banks 
(Rothschild) that shifted the wealth from middle and poor class to the 
wealthy class. I believe, in USA, the event is known as The Great 
Depression. 



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"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message 
news:13j2pp188vn30ad@corp.supernews.com...
> In article ,
> snow  wrote:
>>
>>
>>"It's all a bit strange"  wrote in
>>message news:Xns99DFAB1FBC57TBAnoonecarescom@85.214.62.108...
>>> "snow"  wrote in news:eHOXi.18958$JD.6
>>> @newssvr21.news.prodigy.net:
>>>
>>>>  People with Alzheimer repeat themselves, make
>>>> sure you get a second opinion from a doctor. It looks like you might be
>>>> suffering from Alzheimer.
>>>
>>> And you think that having a critical conversation with someone
>>> (supposedly)
>>> suffering from alzheimers adds to your credibility
>
>>No, because I am not having a critical conversation and I am ignoring Mr.
>>McVay's questions because of his record of misrepresenting data and
>>statements and being an asshole in general.
>
> If Leading Revisionist Scholar snow wishes to consider the exact citation 
> of his numerous
> lies as "misrepresenting data and statements," it is only a sign of his 
> moral cowardice.
> After all, one only needs to run Google Groups searches for the following 
> drivel to
> confirm the obvious: Mr. snow is a liar and a coward.


Your whole intent is to post same questions so many times that it will be 
the first Google listing.  It does work, but then again, except for your 
sorry ass nobody cares and nobody is going to do any searches for snow is a 
liar.  Probably because SNOW is a form a precipitation. You think you are 
clever but you are such an idiot who greatly took it to the heart that you 
were called  a coward.  This is very amusing, for an older person as 
yourself you act as if a 10 year old. Keep amusing us Mr. McVay, without you 
this newsgroup would be boring but in other hand the level of intelligence 
would be higher as you are bringing this newsgroup to new lows with you 
irrelevant rumbling and reposting of same crap that has been dissected and 
discredited many times.  One thing you got going for you is persistence and 
dumb looks.
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_Kenneth_McVay.jpg




>
> What else can one expect from Connecticut's leading racist?
>
> Leading Revisionist Scholar snow, it would be unfair, not to mention
> inconsiderate, for anyone to label you as a liar without giving you
> the opportunity to respond by supporting your specious assertions
> with documentary evidence.
>
> Question 1:
>
> On July 25, 2007, you made two claims, to wit:
>
> 1. That no one was gassed at Auschwitz or Majdanek
> 2. That the "gas chamber in aushwitz were build by russians after the
>   so called liberation."
>
> Please document your claims or retract them.
>
> Question 2: On July 26, 2007, you wrote:
>
> "I am still having a problem with the myth of gassing the jews."
>
> Please support your assertion with documentary evidence that homocidal
> gassings are a "myth."
>
> Question 3:
>
> On July 26, 2007, you claimed that, "jews come out with awards so they
> could award other jews and it is all based on how much you paid and to
> whom and actually has very little to do with achievements."
>
> Please document these claims or retract them.
>
> Question 4:
>
> On July 29, 2007, you claimed, "...McVay in one of the threads stated
> that 'if you question holocaust then you are automatically anti-Semite."
>
> Please provide an exact Google Groups link to any article in which
> I made such a statement.
>
> Question 5:
>
> In article ,
>
> you wrote:
>
> "In 1931 Stromberg v. California, the Jews defended Communists' free 
> speech
> rights. Six decades later, in R. v. Keegstra, the Jews sued to prevent the
> teaching of an alternative to the Exterminationist theory known as
> "Revisionism" -- and won."
>
> Please provide documentary evidence that Mr. Keegstra was "sued by Jews" 
> as
> you claim, and show how the Supreme Court of Canada lied when it said:
>
>   Mr. James Keegstra was a high school teacher in Eckville,
> Alberta, from the early 1970's until his dismissal in 1982.
> In 1984, Mr. Keegstra was charged under s. 319(2) (then
> 281.2(2)) of the Criminal Code with unlawfully promoting
> hatred against an identifiable group by communicating
> anti-Semitic statements to his students. He was convicted by
> a jury in a trial before McKenzie J. of the Alberta Court of
> Queen's Bench.
>
>   Mr. Keegstra's teachings attributed various evil
> qualities to Jews. He thus described Jews to his pupils as
> ''treacherous'', ''subversive'', ''sadistic'',
> ''money-loving'', ''power hungry'' and ''child killers''. He
> taught his classes that Jewish people seek to destroy
> Christianity and are responsible for depressions, anarchy,
> chaos, wars and revolution. According to Mr. Keegstra, Jews
> ''created the Holocaust to gain sympathy'' and, in contrast
> to the open and honest Christians, were said to be
> deceptive, secretive and inherently evil. Mr. Keegstra
> expected his students to reproduce his teachings in class
> and on exams. If they failed to do so, their marks suffered.
>
>   Prior to his trial, Mr. Keegstra applied to the Court of
> Queen's Bench in Alberta for an order quashing the charge on
> a number of grounds, the primary one being that s. 319(2) of
> the Criminal Code unjustifiably infringed his freedom of
> expression as guaranteed by s. 2(b) of the Charter. Among
> the other grounds of appeal was the allegation that the
> defence of truth found in s. 319(3)(a) of the Code violates
> the Charter's presumption of innocence. The application was
> dismissed by Quigley J., and Mr. Keegstra was thereafter
> tried and convicted. He then appealed his conviction to the
> Alberta Court of Appeal, raising the same Charter issues.
> The Court of Appeal unanimously accepted his argument, and
> it is from this judgment that the Crown appeals.
>
>   The Attorneys-General of Canada, Quebec, Ontario,
> Manitoba and New Brunswick, the Canadian Jewish Congress,
> Interamicus, the League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith,
> Canada, and the Women's Legal Education and Action Fund
> (L.E.A.F.) have intervened in this appeal in support of the
> Crown. The Canadian Civil Liberties Association has
> intervened in support of striking down the impugned
> legislation.
>
> Question 6:
>
> In article , you wrote:
>
> "Why is it that most if not all Holocaust supporting articles are written 
> by
> Jews or are sponsored by Jewish organization."
>
> Please prove your claim by providing data which supports it. List all 
> "Holocaust
> supporting" articles and document the Jewish background of the authors.
>
> Question 7:
>
> On July 30, 2007, you wrote:
>
> "...it was actually American Jews that sold iron and oil to Nazi
> Germany by using Sweden as a proxy since American jews couldn't
> deal directly with Nazi Germany.
>
> "Sweden banks that financed it were run by Jews, as well as proxy
> companies that were setup by jewish bank owners. Swedish people
> didn't have a clue what was being done behind their backs."
>
> Please document these assertions, naming the "American Jews"
> involved and the Swedish banks that were "setup by Jewish bank
> owners."
>
> Question 8:
>
> On July 31, 2007, you asked, "Why is it that most if not all Holocaust 
> supporting
> articles are written by Jews or are sponsored by Jewish organization."
>
> Please provide the data upon which you based these assertions. Include a
> comprehensive list of "Holocaust supporting articles " and their 
> authors,
> and show how each article is either written by a Jew or "sponsored by
> Jewish organizations."
>
> Question 9:
>
> On August 1, 2007, you wrote, "[Wikipedia] is edited by members
> who choose to exaggerate their own race or religion, and jews are
> the forefront of such edits."
>
> Please document your claims - particularly the one about the Jews
> being in the "forefront of such edits."
>
> Question 10:
>
> On August 5, 2007, you wrote:
>
>>Ken's website oMajdanek says 1.5 jews killed
>>http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/camps/maidanek/
>
> ...and...
>
>>KEN IS LYING!!! to put the holocaust in the best light so people would
>>associate the word HOLOCAUST with the JEWS and WW2 so then JEWS could cash
>>in on HOLOCAUST by producing books, interviews, movies (all are tools of
>>propaganda)
>
> Let's visit http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/ and see what we
> find, shall we?
>
> In http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/commission-07, we find the 
> Polish
> Commission (notNizkor) saying, "The Polish-Soviet Extraordinary
> Commission finds that during the four years the Majdanek Extermination
> Camp was in existence the Hitlerite butchers, on thc direct orders of
> their criminal government, exterminated by means of wholesalc shoincluding 
> Snyder, who
> wrote, ""It is
> estimated that 1.5 million inmates were gassed at Maidanek."
>
> (Snyder does NOT, the assertions of Leading Revisionist Scholar snow
> notwithstanding, claim that all the victims were Jewish - that is,
> he was lying - again.)
>
> The same article quotes Davidowitz (1,380,000 dead) and Sachar (500,000 
> dead), while the
> IFZ is quoted as saying that 50,000 *Jews* were murdered there.
>
> The Encyclopedia of the Holocaust is then cited, in a piece on Majdanek 
> written by
> Lublin University's Zygmunt Mankowski, who wrote "close to 500,000 passed
> through. Of those, according to current (1990) estimates, 360,000 died,
> sixty percent from camp conditions, and forty percent from gassing, 
> hanging,
> or being shot."
>
> Mankowski does not, contrary to your blather, claim that all the victims 
> were Jews.
>
> Now we get to the spot where NIZKOR says something, to wit:
>
> "I suspect it may be impossible to determine the numbers, but this article
> (EoH) struck me as reasonable, if for no other reason its mention of the
> transport records and the trials, plus the bibliographic data. I'd
> appreciate it if someone would check the earlier sources cited to 
> determine
> if any orignial source is offered, and get back to us."
>
>>KEN IS LYING!!! to put the holocaust in the bet light so people would
>>associate the word HOLOCAUST with the JEWS and WW2 so then JEWS could cash
>>in on HOLOCAUST by producing books, interviews, movies (all are tools of
>>propaganda)
>
> Please retract your lies, Leading Revisionist Scholar snow,
> now tha they have been exposed.
>
> Question 11:
>
> In article , on August 15,
> 2007, you authored an article which claimed, quote, "Kenneth McVay a
> pedophile and a child molester who molested his own daughter..."
>
> Please document when and where any of my children have
> made such statements or admit you cannot.
>
> Question 12:
>
> In article , posted on
> August 15, 2007, you made the following allegation:
>
> "NIZKOR's self appointed director Ken McVay involved in tax fraud."
>
> Document your allegation that I am involved in tax fraud, or retract it.
>
> Tax someone has committed such an offense, by all means report
> to the federal authorites post haste. Not doing so is, in and of
> itself, a crime.
>
> -- 
> "In the final analysis, one does not refute a closed system, a total
> lie that is not refutable to the extent that its conclusions has
> preceded any evidence." (Vidal-Naquet, Pierre. Assassins of Memory,
> New York: Columbia University Press. p.81) 



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"TurkeyBoy"  wrote in message 
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> What is the purpose of all this zionazi hate by proxy?
>
> I am puzzled by the hate on behalf of Jews coming from so many non-
> Jews. The worst offenders come to mind; McVay, Cohen and Jacobson.
>
> What gives?
>
> Are these peddlers of zionazi hate Jew haters pretending to be Jew
> lovers? When you consider their methds and the insults they throw at
> people on behalf of Jews, it is obvious that it can only bring
> negative impressions about Jews.
>
> When will McVay answer how much he gets paid for putting out his daily
> zionazi hate propaganda and who it is that pays him? Maybe neo-nazis
> pay him?
>
> If Cohen is not really a Jew, why is she putting out so much filth on
> behalf of Jews? Does she really thing that it helps Jews?
>
> Jacobson has forged so may aliases that it is impossible to keep
> track. We know that he is a Swede and we also know that Swedes were
> nazi collaborators. Is Jacobson doing some nazi-collaboration by
> creating hostility for Jews?
>
> So many questions but I expect no answers, only more hate from these
> zionazis. Still, it is vey curious.
>
> Have a nice vegetarian day!
>

Mr. McVay needs to keep pushing his crap not by intelligence but by volume 
and persistence. He does it because that's how he makes a living, doesn't 
matter if he believes it or not, his job is to be persistent and 
overwhelming and that's how NIZKOR gets donations. Surely it is NOT quality 
of his posts because he keeps repeating same crap every month. Why would Mr. 
McVay would like to come out with new research and revelations when the same 
reposts and repeating pays his bills.
He seems to be too blind or dumb to see that he is being used as a holocaust 
marketing propaganda tool. From my understanding he had made many enemies, 
received death threats and is being disliked by many individuals. Perhaps he 
thinks he is a martyr or that he will be made into a sainthood for his 
sacrifices.  LOL 



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"127.0.0.1" <127.0.0.1@127.0.0.1> wrote in message 
news:20071106180128.27207a8d@suddenlink.net...
> On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 22:59:33 GMT
> "L Alpert"  wrote:
>
>> 127.0.0.1 wrote:
>> > This shouldn't really come a no surprise, these people have been
>> > lying about their persecution for thousands of years..
>>
>>
>> So WTF you gonna do about it?
>
> Laugh and point it out.
>


Is this considered a hate crime. She should be charged with hate crime plus 
have consultation with psychologist because such behavior is not normal. 



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"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message 
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> In article ,
> Leading Revisionist Ignoramus snow  wrote:
>
>>IGNORED
>
> Not by the world, Leading Revisionist Liar and Coward snow, and, of 
> course,
> not by you.

LOL, if you think THE WORLD cares about some stupid Newsgroup, furthermore 
about someone using nickname SNOW, you are an idiot and a moron. At least I 
know I am irrelevant, you in other hand think I am relevant and you try to 
blemish this nickname which I could change tomorrow if I wanted to.  You 
made a fool out of yourself long time ago, ran away to Canada with a tail 
between your legs, hid behind NIZKOR website and you still keep shouting, 
thinking you are relevant to the world.  I mean, please, are you trying to 
be funny or are you just so full of yourself that you can't see that you are 
a joke that nobody cares about.



>
> That you are too stupid to understand that is not my problem but yours.
>
> Now run away, yellow coward, because I'm going to remind the world of your
> lies again.
>
> Leading Revisionist Scholar snow, it would be unfair, not to mention
> inconsiderate, for anyone to label you as a liar without giving you
> the opportunity to respond by supporting your specious assertions
> with documentary evidence.
>
> Question 1:
>
> On July 25, 2007, you made two claims, to wit:
>
> 1. That no one was gassed at Auschwitz or Majdanek
> 2. That the "gas chamber in aushwitz were build by russians after the
>   so called liberation."
>
> Please document your claims or retract them.
>
> Question 2: On July 26, 2007, you wrote:
>
> "I am still having a problem with the myth of gassing the jews."
>
> Please support your assertion with documentary evidence that homocidal
> gassings are a "myth."
>
> Question 3:
>
> On July 26, 2007, you claimed that, "jews come out with awards so they
> could award other jews and it is all based on how much you paid and to
> whom and actually has very little to do with achievements."
>
> Please document these claims or retract them.
>
> Question 4:
>
> On July 29, 2007, you claimed, "...McVay in one of the threads stated
> that 'if you question holocaust then you are automatically anti-Semite."
>
> Please provide an exact Google Groups link to any article in which
> I made such a statement.
>
> Question 5:
>
> In article ,
>
> you wrote:
>
> "In 1931 Stromberg v. California, the Jews defended Communists' free 
> speech
> rights. Six decades later, in R. v. Keegstra, the Jews sued to prevent the
> teaching of an alternative to the Exterminationist theory known as
> "Revisionism" -- and won."
>
> Please provide documentary evidence that Mr. Keegstra was "sued by Jews" 
> as
> you claim, and show how the Supreme Court of Canada lied when it said:
>
>   Mr. James Keegstra was a high school teacher in Eckville,
> Alberta, from the early 1970's until his dismissal in 1982.
> In 1984, Mr. Keegstra was charged under s. 319(2) (then
> 281.2(2)) of the Criminal Code with unlawfully promoting
> hatred against an identifiable group by communicating
> anti-Semitic statements to his students. He was convicted by
> a jury in a trial before McKenzie J. of the Alberta Court of
> Queen's Bench.
>
>   Mr. Keegstra's teachings attributed various evil
> qualities to Jews. He thus described Jews to his pupils as
> ''treacherous'', ''subversive'', ''sadistic'',
> ''money-loving'', ''power hungry'' and ''child killers''. He
> taught his classes that Jewish people seek to destroy
> Christianity and are responsible for depressions, anarchy,
> chaos, wars and revolution. According to Mr. Keegstra, Jews
> ''created the Holocaust to gain sympathy'' and, in contrast
> to the open and honest Christians, were said to be
> deceptive, secretive and inherently evil. Mr. Keegstra
> expected his students to reproduce his teachings in class
> and on exams. If they failed to do so, their marks suffered.
>
>   Prior to his trial, Mr. Keegstra applied to the Court of
> Queen's Bench in Alberta for an order quashing the charge on
> a number of grounds, the primary one being that s. 319(2) of
> the Criminal Code unjustifiably infringed his freedom of
> expression as guaranteed by s. 2(b) of the Charter. Among
> the other grounds of appeal was the allegation that the
> defence of truth found in s. 319(3)(a) of the Code violates
> the Charter's presumption of innocence. The application was
> dismissed by Quigley J., and Mr. Keegstra was thereafter
> tried and convicted. He then appealed his conviction to the
> Alberta Court of Appeal, raising the same Charter issues.
> The Court of Appeal unanimously accepted his argument, and
> it is from this judgment that the Crown appeals.
>
>   The Attorneys-General of Canada, Quebec, Ontario,
> Manitoba and New Brunswick, the Canadian Jewish Congress,
> Interamicus, the League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith,
> Canada, and the Women's Legal Education and Action Fund
> (L.E.A.F.) have intervened in this appeal in support of the
> Crown. The Canadian Civil Liberties Association has
> intervened in support of striking down the impugned
> legislation.
>
> Question 6:
>
> In article , you wrote:
>
> "Why is it that most if not all Holocaust supporting articles are written 
> by
> Jews or are sponsored by Jewish organization."
>
> Please prove your claim by providing data which supports it. List all 
> "Holocaust
> supporting" articles and document the Jewish background of the authors.
>
> Question 7:
>
> On July 30, 2007, you wrote:
>
> "...it was actually American Jews that sold iron and oil to Nazi
> Germany by using Sweden as a proxy since American jews couldn't
> deal directly with Nazi Germany.
>
> "Sweden banks that financed it were run by Jews, as well as proxy
> companies that were setup by jewish bank owners. Swedish people
> didn't have a clue what was being done behind their backs."
>
> Please document these assertions, naming the "American Jews"
> involved and the Swedish banks that were "setup by Jewish bank
> owners."
>
> Question 8:
>
> On July 31, 2007, you asked, "Why is it that most if not all Holocaust 
> supporting
> articles are written by Jews or are sponsored by Jewish organization."
>
> Please provide the data upon which you based these assertions. Include a
> comprehensive list of "Holocaust supporting articles " and their 
> authors,
> and show how each article is either written by a Jew or "sponsored by
> Jewish organizations."
>
> Question 9:
>
> On August 1, 2007, you wrote, "[Wikipedia] is edited by members
> who choose to exaggerate their own race or religion, and jews are
> the forefront of such edits."
>
> Please document your claims - particularly the one about the Jews
> being in the "forefront of such edits."
>
> Question 10:
>
> On August 5, 2007, you wrote:
>
>>Ken's website oMajdanek says 1.5 jews killed
>>http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/camps/maidanek/
>
> ...and...
>
>>KEN IS LYING!!! to put the holocaust in the best light so people would
>>associate the word HOLOCAUST with the JEWS and WW2 so then JEWS could cash
>>in on HOLOCAUST by producing books, interviews, movies (all are tools of
>>propaganda)
>
> Let's visit http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/ and see what we
> find, shall we?
>
> In http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/commission-07, we find the 
> Polish
> Commission (notNizkor) saying, "The Polish-Soviet Extraordinary
> Commission finds that during the four years the Majdanek Extermination
> Camp was in existence the Hitlerite butchers, on thc direct orders of
> their criminal government, exterminated by means of wholesalc shoincluding 
> Snyder, who
> wrote, ""It is
> estimated that 1.5 million inmates were gassed at Maidanek."
>
> (Snyder does NOT, the assertions of Leading Revisionist Scholar snow
> notwithstanding, claim that all the victims were Jewish - that is,
> he was lying - again.)
>
> The same article quotes Davidowitz (1,380,000 dead) and Sachar (500,000 
> dead), while the
> IFZ is quoted as saying that 50,000 *Jews* were murdered there.
>
> The Encyclopedia of the Holocaust is then cited, in a piece on Majdanek 
> written by
> Lublin University's Zygmunt Mankowski, who wrote "close to 500,000 passed
> through. Of those, according to current (1990) estimates, 360,000 died,
> sixty percent from camp conditions, and forty percent from gassing, 
> hanging,
> or being shot."
>
> Mankowski does not, contrary to your blather, claim that all the victims 
> were Jews.
>
> Now we get to the spot where NIZKOR says something, to wit:
>
> "I suspect it may be impossible to determine the numbers, but this article
> (EoH) struck me as reasonable, if for no other reason its mention of the
> transport records and the trials, plus the bibliographic data. I'd
> appreciate it if someone would check the earlier sources cited to 
> determine
> if any orignial source is offered, and get back to us."
>
>>KEN IS LYING!!! to put the holocaust in the bet light so people would
>>associate the word HOLOCAUST with the JEWS and WW2 so then JEWS could cash
>>in on HOLOCAUST by producing books, interviews, movies (all are tools of
>>propaganda)
>
> Please retract your lies, Leading Revisionist Scholar snow,
> now tha they have been exposed.
>
> Question 11:
>
> In article , on August 15,
> 2007, you authored an article which claimed, quote, "Kenneth McVay a
> pedophile and a child molester who molested his own daughter..."
>
> Please document when and where any of my children have
> made such statements or admit you cannot.
>
> Question 12:
>
> In article , posted on
> August 15, 2007, you made the following allegation:
>
> "NIZKOR's self appointed director Ken McVay involved in tax fraud."
>
> Document your allegation that I am involved in tax fraud, or retract it.
>
> Tax someone has committed such an offense, by all means report
> to the federal authorites post haste. Not doing so is, in and of
> itself, a crime.
>
> -- 
> "My name is not Fatboy you dirty kike swine ... STOP BEING
> FILTHY JEW KIKE VERMIN LIAR!!" (Scott Bradbury,
> Bellville, Texas' Leading Revisionist Scholar)
> The Nizkor Project:                    http://www.nizkor.org/ 



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"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message 
news:13j3rc04nk1acad@corp.supernews.com...
> In article ,
> Leading Revisionist Scholar snow  wrote:
>
> [Leading Revisionist Scholar snow's whining snipped. I replied...]
>
> "Cry me a river, Leading Revisionist Coward snow. You violated your ISPs
> AUP, and got exactly what you deserved. Do it again, and history will
> repeat itself."
>
> [Snow whined]
>
> "I am sure you will report me again with the next opportunity. That's what
> cowards do."
>
> [I provided a dose of reality]
>
> "That's what responsible citizens do when criminals flaunt the law, 
> Leading
> Revisionist Lawbreaker snow."
>
>>That is what GESTAPO and SS do. They convinced Poles to report on Jews,
>>because as you put it that's what responsible citizens do.
>
> Leading Revisionist Scholar snow's complete disdain for his own ISP's
> AUP, TO WHICH HE AGREED WHEN HE OPENED HIS ACCOUNT, pretty well says
> it all.
>
> snow feels he is above the law, and can break the law whenever he
> feels like it.


And you must feel good for being a snitch. Just shows your character.








>
> snow's education is not complete.
>
> He's not only stupid, he's impotent - watch him run from any accounting
> for his lies:
>
> Leading Revisionist Scholar snow, it would be unfair, not to mention
> inconsiderate, for anyone to label you as a liar without giving you
> the opportunity to respond by supporting your specious assertions
> with documentary evidence.
>
> Question 1:
>
> On July 25, 2007, you made two claims, to wit:
>
> 1. That no one was gassed at Auschwitz or Majdanek
> 2. That the "gas chamber in aushwitz were build by russians after the
>   so called liberation."
>
> Please document your claims or retract them.
>
> Question 2: On July 26, 2007, you wrote:
>
> "I am still having a problem with the myth of gassing the jews."
>
> Please support your assertion with documentary evidence that homocidal
> gassings are a "myth."
>
> Question 3:
>
> On July 26, 2007, you claimed that, "jews come out with awards so they
> could award other jews and it is all based on how much you paid and to
> whom and actually has very little to do with achievements."
>
> Please document these claims or retract them.
>
> Question 4:
>
> On July 29, 2007, you claimed, "...McVay in one of the threads stated
> that 'if you question holocaust then you are automatically anti-Semite."
>
> Please provide an exact Google Groups link to any article in which
> I made such a statement.
>
> Question 5:
>
> In article ,
>
> you wrote:
>
> "In 1931 Stromberg v. California, the Jews defended Communists' free 
> speech
> rights. Six decades later, in R. v. Keegstra, the Jews sued to prevent the
> teaching of an alternative to the Exterminationist theory known as
> "Revisionism" -- and won."
>
> Please provide documentary evidence that Mr. Keegstra was "sued by Jews" 
> as
> you claim, and show how the Supreme Court of Canada lied when it said:
>
>   Mr. James Keegstra was a high school teacher in Eckville,
> Alberta, from the early 1970's until his dismissal in 1982.
> In 1984, Mr. Keegstra was charged under s. 319(2) (then
> 281.2(2)) of the Criminal Code with unlawfully promoting
> hatred against an identifiable group by communicating
> anti-Semitic statements to his students. He was convicted by
> a jury in a trial before McKenzie J. of the Alberta Court of
> Queen's Bench.
>
>   Mr. Keegstra's teachings attributed various evil
> qualities to Jews. He thus described Jews to his pupils as
> ''treacherous'', ''subversive'', ''sadistic'',
> ''money-loving'', ''power hungry'' and ''child killers''. He
> taught his classes that Jewish people seek to destroy
> Christianity and are responsible for depressions, anarchy,
> chaos, wars and revolution. According to Mr. Keegstra, Jews
> ''created the Holocaust to gain sympathy'' and, in contrast
> to the open and honest Christians, were said to be
> deceptive, secretive and inherently evil. Mr. Keegstra
> expected his students to reproduce his teachings in class
> and on exams. If they failed to do so, their marks suffered.
>
>   Prior to his trial, Mr. Keegstra applied to the Court of
> Queen's Bench in Alberta for an order quashing the charge on
> a number of grounds, the primary one being that s. 319(2) of
> the Criminal Code unjustifiably infringed his freedom of
> expression as guaranteed by s. 2(b) of the Charter. Among
> the other grounds of appeal was the allegation that the
> defence of truth found in s. 319(3)(a) of the Code violates
> the Charter's presumption of innocence. The application was
> dismissed by Quigley J., and Mr. Keegstra was thereafter
> tried and convicted. He then appealed his conviction to the
> Alberta Court of Appeal, raising the same Charter issues.
> The Court of Appeal unanimously accepted his argument, and
> it is from this judgment that the Crown appeals.
>
>   The Attorneys-General of Canada, Quebec, Ontario,
> Manitoba and New Brunswick, the Canadian Jewish Congress,
> Interamicus, the League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith,
> Canada, and the Women's Legal Education and Action Fund
> (L.E.A.F.) have intervened in this appeal in support of the
> Crown. The Canadian Civil Liberties Association has
> intervened in support of striking down the impugned
> legislation.
>
> Question 6:
>
> In article , you wrote:
>
> "Why is it that most if not all Holocaust supporting articles are written 
> by
> Jews or are sponsored by Jewish organization."
>
> Please prove your claim by providing data which supports it. List all 
> "Holocaust
> supporting" articles and document the Jewish background of the authors.
>
> Question 7:
>
> On July 30, 2007, you wrote:
>
> "...it was actually American Jews that sold iron and oil to Nazi
> Germany by using Sweden as a proxy since American jews couldn't
> deal directly with Nazi Germany.
>
> "Sweden banks that financed it were run by Jews, as well as proxy
> companies that were setup by jewish bank owners. Swedish people
> didn't have a clue what was being done behind their backs."
>
> Please document these assertions, naming the "American Jews"
> involved and the Swedish banks that were "setup by Jewish bank
> owners."
>
> Question 8:
>
> On July 31, 2007, you asked, "Why is it that most if not all Holocaust 
> supporting
> articles are written by Jews or are sponsored by Jewish organization."
>
> Please provide the data upon which you based these assertions. Include a
> comprehensive list of "Holocaust supporting articles " and their 
> authors,
> and show how each article is either written by a Jew or "sponsored by
> Jewish organizations."
>
> Question 9:
>
> On August 1, 2007, you wrote, "[Wikipedia] is edited by members
> who choose to exaggerate their own race or religion, and jews are
> the forefront of such edits."
>
> Please document your claims - particularly the one about the Jews
> being in the "forefront of such edits."
>
> Question 10:
>
> On August 5, 2007, you wrote:
>
>>Ken's website oMajdanek says 1.5 jews killed
>>http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/camps/maidanek/
>
> ...and...
>
>>KEN IS LYING!!! to put the holocaust in the best light so people would
>>associate the word HOLOCAUST with the JEWS and WW2 so then JEWS could cash
>>in on HOLOCAUST by producing books, interviews, movies (all are tools of
>>propaganda)
>
> Let's visit http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/ and see what we
> find, shall we?
>
> In http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/commission-07, we find the 
> Polish
> Commission (notNizkor) saying, "The Polish-Soviet Extraordinary
> Commission finds that during the four years the Majdanek Extermination
> Camp was in existence the Hitlerite butchers, on thc direct orders of
> their criminal government, exterminated by means of wholesalc shoincluding 
> Snyder, who
> wrote, ""It is
> estimated that 1.5 million inmates were gassed at Maidanek."
>
> (Snyder does NOT, the assertions of Leading Revisionist Scholar snow
> notwithstanding, claim that all the victims were Jewish - that is,
> he was lying - again.)
>
> The same article quotes Davidowitz (1,380,000 dead) and Sachar (500,000 
> dead), while the
> IFZ is quoted as saying that 50,000 *Jews* were murdered there.
>
> The Encyclopedia of the Holocaust is then cited, in a piece on Majdanek 
> written by
> Lublin University's Zygmunt Mankowski, who wrote "close to 500,000 passed
> through. Of those, according to current (1990) estimates, 360,000 died,
> sixty percent from camp conditions, and forty percent from gassing, 
> hanging,
> or being shot."
>
> Mankowski does not, contrary to your blather, claim that all the victims 
> were Jews.
>
> Now we get to the spot where NIZKOR says something, to wit:
>
> "I suspect it may be impossible to determine the numbers, but this article
> (EoH) struck me as reasonable, if for no other reason its mention of the
> transport records and the trials, plus the bibliographic data. I'd
> appreciate it if someone would check the earlier sources cited to 
> determine
> if any orignial source is offered, and get back to us."
>
>>KEN IS LYING!!! to put the holocaust in the bet light so people would
>>associate the word HOLOCAUST with the JEWS and WW2 so then JEWS could cash
>>in on HOLOCAUST by producing books, interviews, movies (all are tools of
>>propaganda)
>
> Please retract your lies, Leading Revisionist Scholar snow,
> now tha they have been exposed.
>
> Question 11:
>
> In article , on August 15,
> 2007, you authored an article which claimed, quote, "Kenneth McVay a
> pedophile and a child molester who molested his own daughter..."
>
> Please document when and where any of my children have
> made such statements or admit you cannot.
>
> Question 12:
>
> In article , posted on
> August 15, 2007, you made the following allegation:
>
> "NIZKOR's self appointed director Ken McVay involved in tax fraud."
>
> Document your allegation that I am involved in tax fraud, or retract it.
>
> Tax someone has committed such an offense, by all means report
> to the federal authorites post haste. Not doing so is, in and of
> itself, a crime.
>
> -- 
> "Streicher commit suicide while in the Nuremberg Jail But you
> people did hang him after that"
> (Kurt Knoll, Kitimat, B.C.'s Leading Revisionist Moron)
> The Nizkor Project:                    http://www.nizkor.org/ 



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"Michael Price"  wrote in message 
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> On Nov 6, 1:12 pm, kmc...@shell.vex.net (Kenneth McVay OBC) wrote:
>> In article ,
>> Leading Revisionist Scholar snow  wrote:
>>
>> [crap flushed down the alex seredin]
>>
>> >This is mostly correct but one must remember that the word 'Holocaust' 
>> >had
>> >been used for centuries and has nothing to do with WW2 and Jews. The 
>> >Jews
>> >who did perish in Nazi work camps were the poor Jews who were a burden 
>> >on
>> >Jewish society.
>>
>> Six million "poor Jews" perished, Leading Revisionist Scholar snow?
>
>  And while he's doing that he can tell us why it's the government's
> business
> who is a "burden on Jewish society".  Surely it's the decision of
> individual
> Jews to decide who they "burden" themselves with the support of.  In
> any case
> if the Jews were so poor why was it neccesary to forbid them from
> owning
> businesses?

To encourage them to leave, which most of them did. They closed their 
businesses and got the hell out of Germany as any intelligent person would 
do in such situation.



>>
>> >The rich and educated Jews received Visa's from American
>> >embassy and were allowed to immigrated to USA.
>>
>> Please document your contention by providing United States Government
>> data for the Nazi years, Leading Revisionist Liar snow.
>>
>> Explain how your data supports or does not support USI&NS data from the 
>> 1989 Statistical
>> Yearbook:
>>
>> Immigrant Aliens Admitted for Permanent Residence
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------
>> 1936            36,329                  1941            51,776
>> 1937            50,244                  1942            28,781
>> 1938            67,895                  1943            23,725
>> 1939            82,998                  1944            28,551
>> 1940            70,756                  1945            38,119
>> --------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Total admitted during this period: 479,174
>>
>> Leading Revisionist Scholar snow, it would be unfair, not to mention
>> inconsiderate, for anyone to label you as a liar without giving you
>> the opportunity to respond by supporting your specious assertions
>> with documentary evidence.
>>
>> Question 1:
>>
>> On July 25, 2007, you made two claims, to wit:
>>
>> 1. That no one was gassed at Auschwitz or Majdanek
>> 2. That the "gas chamber in aushwitz were build by russians after the
>>    so called liberation."
>>
>> Please document your claims or retract them.
>>
>> Question 2: On July 26, 2007, you wrote:
>>
>> "I am still having a problem with the myth of gassing the jews."
>>
>> Please support your assertion with documentary evidence that homocidal
>> gassings are a "myth."
>>
>> Question 3:
>>
>> On July 26, 2007, you claimed that, "jews come out with awards so they
>> could award other jews and it is all based on how much you paid and to
>> whom and actually has very little to do with achievements."
>>
>> Please document these claims or retract them.
>>
>> Question 4:
>>
>> On July 29, 2007, you claimed, "...McVay in one of the threads stated
>> that 'if you question holocaust then you are automatically anti-Semite."
>>
>> Please provide an exact Google Groups link to any article in which
>> I made such a statement.
>>
>> Question 5:
>>
>> In article ,
>>
>> you wrote:
>>
>> "In 1931 Stromberg v. California, the Jews defended Communists' free 
>> speech
>> rights. Six decades later, in R. v. Keegstra, the Jews sued to prevent 
>> the
>> teaching of an alternative to the Exterminationist theory known as
>> "Revisionism" -- and won."
>>
>> Please provide documentary evidence that Mr. Keegstra was "sued by Jews" 
>> as
>> you claim, and show how the Supreme Court of Canada lied when it said:
>>
>>    Mr. James Keegstra was a high school teacher in Eckville,
>> Alberta, from the early 1970's until his dismissal in 1982.
>> In 1984, Mr. Keegstra was charged under s. 319(2) (then
>> 281.2(2)) of the Criminal Code with unlawfully promoting
>> hatred against an identifiable group by communicating
>> anti-Semitic statements to his students. He was convicted by
>> a jury in a trial before McKenzie J. of the Alberta Court of
>> Queen's Bench.
>>
>>    Mr. Keegstra's teachings attributed various evil
>> qualities to Jews. He thus described Jews to his pupils as
>> ''treacherous'', ''subversive'', ''sadistic'',
>> ''money-loving'', ''power hungry'' and ''child killers''. He
>> taught his classes that Jewish people seek to destroy
>> Christianity and are responsible for depressions, anarchy,
>> chaos, wars and revolution. According to Mr. Keegstra, Jews
>> ''created the Holocaust to gain sympathy'' and, in contrast
>> to the open and honest Christians, were said to be
>> deceptive, secretive and inherently evil. Mr. Keegstra
>> expected his students to reproduce his teachings in class
>> and on exams. If they failed to do so, their marks suffered.
>>
>>    Prior to his trial, Mr. Keegstra applied to the Court of
>> Queen's Bench in Alberta for an order quashing the charge on
>> a number of grounds, the primary one being that s. 319(2) of
>> the Criminal Code unjustifiably infringed his freedom of
>> expression as guaranteed by s. 2(b) of the Charter. Among
>> the other grounds of appeal was the allegation that the
>> defence of truth found in s. 319(3)(a) of the Code violates
>> the Charter's presumption of innocence. The application was
>> dismissed by Quigley J., and Mr. Keegstra was thereafter
>> tried and convicted. He then appealed his conviction to the
>> Alberta Court of Appeal, raising the same Charter issues.
>> The Court of Appeal unanimously accepted his argument, and
>> it is from this judgment that the Crown appeals.
>>
>>    The Attorneys-General of Canada, Quebec, Ontario,
>> Manitoba and New Brunswick, the Canadian Jewish Congress,
>> Interamicus, the League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith,
>> Canada, and the Women's Legal Education and Action Fund
>> (L.E.A.F.) have intervened in this appeal in support of the
>> Crown. The Canadian Civil Liberties Association has
>> intervened in support of striking down the impugned
>> legislation.
>>
>> Question 6:
>>
>> In article , you wrote:
>>
>> "Why is it that most if not all Holocaust supporting articles are written 
>> by
>> Jews or are sponsored by Jewish organization."
>>
>> Please prove your claim by providing data which supports it. List all 
>> "Holocaust
>> supporting" articles and document the Jewish background of the authors.
>>
>> Question 7:
>>
>> On July 30, 2007, you wrote:
>>
>> "...it was actually American Jews that sold iron and oil to Nazi
>> Germany by using Sweden as a proxy since American jews couldn't
>> deal directly with Nazi Germany.
>>
>> "Sweden banks that financed it were run by Jews, as well as proxy
>> companies that were setup by jewish bank owners. Swedish people
>> didn't have a clue what was being done behind their backs."
>>
>> Please document these assertions, naming the "American Jews"
>> involved and the Swedish banks that were "setup by Jewish bank
>> owners."
>>
>> Question 8:
>>
>> On July 31, 2007, you asked, "Why is it that most if not all Holocaust 
>> supporting
>> articles are written by Jews or are sponsored by Jewish organization."
>>
>> Please provide the data upon which you based these assertions. Include a
>> comprehensive list of "Holocaust supporting articles " and their 
>> authors,
>> and show how each article is either written by a Jew or "sponsored by
>> Jewish organizations."
>>
>> Question 9:
>>
>> On August 1, 2007, you wrote, "[Wikipedia] is edited by members
>> who choose to exaggerate their own race or religion, and jews are
>> the forefront of such edits."
>>
>> Please document your claims - particularly the one about the Jews
>> being in the "forefront of such edits."
>>
>> Question 10:
>>
>> On August 5, 2007, you wrote:
>>
>> >Ken's website oMajdanek says 1.5 jews killed
>> >http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/camps/maidanek/
>>
>> ...and...
>>
>> >KEN IS LYING!!! to put the holocaust in the best light so people would
>> >associate the word HOLOCAUST with the JEWS and WW2 so then JEWS could 
>> >cash
>> >in on HOLOCAUST by producing books, interviews, movies (all are tools of
>> >propaganda)
>>
>> Let's visithttp://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/and see what we
>> find, shall we?
>>
>> Inhttp://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/commission-07, we find the 
>> Polish
>> Commission (notNizkor) saying, "The Polish-Soviet Extraordinary
>> Commission finds that during the four years the Majdanek Extermination
>> Camp was in existence the Hitlerite butchers, on thc direct orders of
>> their criminal government, exterminated by means of wholesalc 
>> shoincluding Snyder, who
>> wrote, ""It is
>> estimated that 1.5 million inmates were gassed at Maidanek."
>>
>> (Snyder does NOT, the assertions of Leading Revisionist Scholar snow
>> notwithstanding, claim that all the victims were Jewish - that is,
>> he was lying - again.)
>>
>> The same article quotes Davidowitz (1,380,000 dead) and Sachar (500,000 
>> dead), while the
>> IFZ is quoted as saying that 50,000 *Jews* were murdered there.
>>
>> The Encyclopedia of the Holocaust is then cited, in a piece on Majdanek 
>> written by
>> Lublin University's Zygmunt Mankowski, who wrote "close to 500,000 passed
>> through. Of those, according to current (1990) estimates, 360,000 died,
>> sixty percent from camp conditions, and forty percent from gassing, 
>> hanging,
>> or being shot."
>>
>> Mankowski does not, contrary to your blather, claim that all the victims 
>> were Jews.
>>
>> Now we get to the spot where NIZKOR says something, to wit:
>>
>> "I suspect it may be impossible to determine the numbers, but this 
>> article
>> (EoH) struck me as reasonable, if for no other reason its mention of the
>> transport records and the trials, plus the bibliographic data. I'd
>> appreciate it if someone would check the earlier sources cited to 
>> determine
>> if any orignial source is offered, and get back to us."
>>
>> >KEN IS LYING!!! to put the holocaust in the bet light so people would
>> >associate the word HOLOCAUST with the JEWS and WW2 so then JEWS could 
>> >cash
>> >in on HOLOCAUST by producing books, interviews, movies (all are tools of
>> >propaganda)
>>
>> Please retract your lies, Leading Revisionist Scholar snow,
>> now tha they have been exposed.
>>
>> Question 11:
>>
>> In article , on August 15,
>> 2007, you authored an article which claimed, quote, "Kenneth McVay a
>> pedophile and a child molester who molested his own daughter..."
>>
>> Please document when and where any of my children have
>> made such statements or admit you cannot.
>>
>> Question 12:
>>
>> In article , posted on
>> August 15, 2007, you made the following allegation:
>>
>> "NIZKOR's self appointed director Ken McVay involved in tax fraud."
>>
>> Document your allegation that I am involved in tax fraud, or retract it.
>>
>> Tax someone has committed such an offense, by all means ...
>>
>> read more »
>
> 


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"It's all a bit strange"  wrote in 
message news:Xns99E11CB2EECA0TBAnoonecarescom@85.214.62.108...
> Protagonist  wrote in
> news:kYmdncxrwYU05azanZ2dnUVZ_sejnZ2d@comcast.com:
>
>> of Paulus army, some 93,000 went into Russian captivity.
>> Stalin said: They destroyed Stalingrad, now they have to rebuild it.
>> Less than 5000 returned or survived.
>> JS
>
> See snow, even szaki can get something correct once in awhile.


And he is always right but out of several million German soldiers on eastern 
front that died (you read wiki for exact numbers 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II#Soviet-German_War ) , 93,000 is a 
very small percentile. I didn't say ALL German POWs were killed. I said 
most. Read the wiki article. It is a common knowledge that Russian were very 
brutal with German POWs 



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"Philip Mathews"  wrote in message 
news:1194373229.681291.9600@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 6, 12:44 pm, YTR  wrote:
>
>> You 9/11 Truthers who are scared to look into the Holohoax are
>> COWARDS. GROW A BACK BONE.
>>
>> Watch  Watch Judea Declares War on Germany.
>
> Why?
>
> Only a moron wouldn't recognize that a religion can't declare war.
>
> --
> Philip Mathews
>

Actually only a moron wouldn't recognize that the JUDEA is being used as 
Ethnic group since the state of Israel didn't exist at that time. 



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"It's all a bit strange"  wrote in 
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> "snow"  wrote in
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>
>> No, because I am not having a critical conversation and I am ignoring
>> Mr. McVay's questions because of his record of misrepresenting data
>> and statements and being an asshole in general.
>
> I'd totally agree that you don't have critical conversations.


Good that we both agree at something at last. 



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 wrote in message news:kyrWi.1205$a01.578@trnddc06...
>
> On  1-Nov-2007, kmcvay@shell.vex.net (Kenneth McVay OBC) wrote:
>
>> In article <1193929775.868309.313540@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
>> Colonel Sanders   wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>> >> Then explain how it is that the cooperation of other American
>> >> companies, like IBM, for
>> >> example, are never mentioned by the antisemitic peanut gallery.
>> >>
>> >> I'll wait.
>> >
>> >> Was he now? Please document these visits, and show how they directed
>> >> Nazi policy.
>> >
>> >I think it was implied they were top secret.
>>
>> Translation: "I cannot document these visits. I knew that when I posted
>> the article."
>>
>> >Why Hitler never attacked Switzerland?
>>
>> Traditionally neutral and counterproductive.
>
> Actually, the jackass answers it himself in his next question ---
>>
>> >Why the Nazis preferred to deposit their loot there?
>>
>> Why did just about everyone in Europe prefer to deposit their loot there?
>
> And THIS is why he never attacked, them, duh!!!
>
>>
>> >I remember there were a few Swiss Bank/Nazi Gold scandals
>> >hashed-up by the Rothschilds.
>>
>> Document them.
>>
>> >And I can't remember but I think there was also a scandal
>> >involving Holocaust survivors money, too.
>>
>> And the greed of Swiss banks - old news.
>>
>> >> Then explain how it is that the cooperation of other American
>> >> companies, like IBM, for
>> >> example, are never mentioned by the antisemitic peanut gallery.
>> >
>> >IBM are not the Nazi gang Masters - the Rothschilds are.
>>
>> Prove it, then. Your opinion, while interesting, is meaningless in the
>> absence of fact.
>
> But the more lies he can spew, the better he feels.
>
> Susan
>>
>> IBM, by the way, made it possible for the NAZIs to keep track of their
>> victims throughout
>> the war, and made a great deal of money doing it. I guess Watson's not
>> being Jewish must
>> have something to do with your overlooking them?
>>
>> >Lets' make the Rothscilds stop dodging responsibility and pay compo.
>> >- For the death and destruction the've caused for their profit.
>>
>> You have yet to demonstrate that your assertions are correct. Please do 
>> so
>> now.
>>
>> >> I'll wait.
>> >
>> >The Nazi Rothschilds should compensate!
>> >
>> >Israel desrves the $300 billion they are asking for. - The ball is at
>> >Rothschild's court.
>> >
>>
>>


Wasn't Switzerland also a proxy that provided Germany with oil and steel 
supplies. 



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"It's all a bit strange"  wrote in 
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> "B'enjamin C'ramer"  wrote in
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>> No. Let's not. Let's just read what's in the headline and accept the
>> stinky yids declared war on their host country. That's the fact of the
>> matter you fucking retard.
>>
>
> Typical zid response...we don't need to know what we want you to agree to,
> just do it.

LOL, do you even know what ZYD means, dumbass, you just made a fool out of 
yourself. Zydzie pierdolony 



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"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message 
news:13j4nke65b2q072@corp.supernews.com...
> In article ,
> Leading Revisionist Scholar snow, Connecticut racist 
>  wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>>Your whole intent is to post same questions so many times that it will be
>>the first Google listing.  It does work, but then again, except for your
>
> I do not care one whit about Google, Leading Revisionist Scholar snow. 
> What I *do* care
> about is being able to demonstrate, in unmistakable fashion, that 
> Holocaust deniers are
> liars and cowards.

And just one post thread above you said

"If Leading Revisionist Scholar snow wishes to consider the exact citation 
of his numerous
lies as "misrepresenting data and statements," it is only a sign of his 
moral cowardice.
After all, one only needs to run Google Groups searches for the following 
drivel to
confirm the obvious: Mr. snow is a liar and a coward."

Now you say you don’t care about Google.
Mr. McVay, you are loosing your cool and contradicting yourself. It is 
really time to get that second opinion from a doctor about Alzheimer.







>
> I am using your lies, and your cowardice, to accomplish this. Your legacy 
> will remain
> online for decades, and serve to discredit the racism of Holocaust denial 
> by defining
> the sort of cowardly, lying moron who finds it attactive.
>
> Thank you for your participation, Mr. snow.
>
> Connecticut Snow's certainly won't appreciate your tarnishing their family 
> name,
> but that is your problem, not mine.
>
> Leading Revisionist Scholar snow, it would be unfair, not to mention
> inconsiderate, for anyone to label you as a liar without giving you
> the opportunity to respond by supporting your specious assertions
> with documentary evidence.
>
> Question 1:
>
> On July 25, 2007, you made two claims, to wit:
>
> 1. That no one was gassed at Auschwitz or Majdanek
> 2. That the "gas chamber in aushwitz were build by russians after the
>   so called liberation."
>
> Please document your claims or retract them.
>
> Question 2: On July 26, 2007, you wrote:
>
> "I am still having a problem with the myth of gassing the jews."
>
> Please support your assertion with documentary evidence that homocidal
> gassings are a "myth."
>
> Question 3:
>
> On July 26, 2007, you claimed that, "jews come out with awards so they
> could award other jews and it is all based on how much you paid and to
> whom and actually has very little to do with achievements."
>
> Please document these claims or retract them.
>
> Question 4:
>
> On July 29, 2007, you claimed, "...McVay in one of the threads stated
> that 'if you question holocaust then you are automatically anti-Semite."
>
> Please provide an exact Google Groups link to any article in which
> I made such a statement.
>
> Question 5:
>
> In article ,
>
> you wrote:
>
> "In 1931 Stromberg v. California, the Jews defended Communists' free 
> speech
> rights. Six decades later, in R. v. Keegstra, the Jews sued to prevent the
> teaching of an alternative to the Exterminationist theory known as
> "Revisionism" -- and won."
>
> Please provide documentary evidence that Mr. Keegstra was "sued by Jews" 
> as
> you claim, and show how the Supreme Court of Canada lied when it said:
>
>   Mr. James Keegstra was a high school teacher in Eckville,
> Alberta, from the early 1970's until his dismissal in 1982.
> In 1984, Mr. Keegstra was charged under s. 319(2) (then
> 281.2(2)) of the Criminal Code with unlawfully promoting
> hatred against an identifiable group by communicating
> anti-Semitic statements to his students. He was convicted by
> a jury in a trial before McKenzie J. of the Alberta Court of
> Queen's Bench.
>
>   Mr. Keegstra's teachings attributed various evil
> qualities to Jews. He thus described Jews to his pupils as
> ''treacherous'', ''subversive'', ''sadistic'',
> ''money-loving'', ''power hungry'' and ''child killers''. He
> taught his classes that Jewish people seek to destroy
> Christianity and are responsible for depressions, anarchy,
> chaos, wars and revolution. According to Mr. Keegstra, Jews
> ''created the Holocaust to gain sympathy'' and, in contrast
> to the open and honest Christians, were said to be
> deceptive, secretive and inherently evil. Mr. Keegstra
> expected his students to reproduce his teachings in class
> and on exams. If they failed to do so, their marks suffered.
>
>   Prior to his trial, Mr. Keegstra applied to the Court of
> Queen's Bench in Alberta for an order quashing the charge on
> a number of grounds, the primary one being that s. 319(2) of
> the Criminal Code unjustifiably infringed his freedom of
> expression as guaranteed by s. 2(b) of the Charter. Among
> the other grounds of appeal was the allegation that the
> defence of truth found in s. 319(3)(a) of the Code violates
> the Charter's presumption of innocence. The application was
> dismissed by Quigley J., and Mr. Keegstra was thereafter
> tried and convicted. He then appealed his conviction to the
> Alberta Court of Appeal, raising the same Charter issues.
> The Court of Appeal unanimously accepted his argument, and
> it is from this judgment that the Crown appeals.
>
>   The Attorneys-General of Canada, Quebec, Ontario,
> Manitoba and New Brunswick, the Canadian Jewish Congress,
> Interamicus, the League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith,
> Canada, and the Women's Legal Education and Action Fund
> (L.E.A.F.) have intervened in this appeal in support of the
> Crown. The Canadian Civil Liberties Association has
> intervened in support of striking down the impugned
> legislation.
>
> Question 6:
>
> In article , you wrote:
>
> "Why is it that most if not all Holocaust supporting articles are written 
> by
> Jews or are sponsored by Jewish organization."
>
> Please prove your claim by providing data which supports it. List all 
> "Holocaust
> supporting" articles and document the Jewish background of the authors.
>
> Question 7:
>
> On July 30, 2007, you wrote:
>
> "...it was actually American Jews that sold iron and oil to Nazi
> Germany by using Sweden as a proxy since American jews couldn't
> deal directly with Nazi Germany.
>
> "Sweden banks that financed it were run by Jews, as well as proxy
> companies that were setup by jewish bank owners. Swedish people
> didn't have a clue what was being done behind their backs."
>
> Please document these assertions, naming the "American Jews"
> involved and the Swedish banks that were "setup by Jewish bank
> owners."
>
> Question 8:
>
> On July 31, 2007, you asked, "Why is it that most if not all Holocaust 
> supporting
> articles are written by Jews or are sponsored by Jewish organization."
>
> Please provide the data upon which you based these assertions. Include a
> comprehensive list of "Holocaust supporting articles " and their 
> authors,
> and show how each article is either written by a Jew or "sponsored by
> Jewish organizations."
>
> Question 9:
>
> On August 1, 2007, you wrote, "[Wikipedia] is edited by members
> who choose to exaggerate their own race or religion, and jews are
> the forefront of such edits."
>
> Please document your claims - particularly the one about the Jews
> being in the "forefront of such edits."
>
> Question 10:
>
> On August 5, 2007, you wrote:
>
>>Ken's website oMajdanek says 1.5 jews killed
>>http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/camps/maidanek/
>
> ...and...
>
>>KEN IS LYING!!! to put the holocaust in the best light so people would
>>associate the word HOLOCAUST with the JEWS and WW2 so then JEWS could cash
>>in on HOLOCAUST by producing books, interviews, movies (all are tools of
>>propaganda)
>
> Let's visit http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/ and see what we
> find, shall we?
>
> In http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/commission-07, we find the 
> Polish
> Commission (notNizkor) saying, "The Polish-Soviet Extraordinary
> Commission finds that during the four years the Majdanek Extermination
> Camp was in existence the Hitlerite butchers, on thc direct orders of
> their criminal government, exterminated by means of wholesalc shoincluding 
> Snyder, who
> wrote, ""It is
> estimated that 1.5 million inmates were gassed at Maidanek."
>
> (Snyder does NOT, the assertions of Leading Revisionist Scholar snow
> notwithstanding, claim that all the victims were Jewish - that is,
> he was lying - again.)
>
> The same article quotes Davidowitz (1,380,000 dead) and Sachar (500,000 
> dead), while the
> IFZ is quoted as saying that 50,000 *Jews* were murdered there.
>
> The Encyclopedia of the Holocaust is then cited, in a piece on Majdanek 
> written by
> Lublin University's Zygmunt Mankowski, who wrote "close to 500,000 passed
> through. Of those, according to current (1990) estimates, 360,000 died,
> sixty percent from camp conditions, and forty percent from gassing, 
> hanging,
> or being shot."
>
> Mankowski does not, contrary to your blather, claim that all the victims 
> were Jews.
>
> Now we get to the spot where NIZKOR says something, to wit:
>
> "I suspect it may be impossible to determine the numbers, but this article
> (EoH) struck me as reasonable, if for no other reason its mention of the
> transport records and the trials, plus the bibliographic data. I'd
> appreciate it if someone would check the earlier sources cited to 
> determine
> if any orignial source is offered, and get back to us."
>
>>KEN IS LYING!!! to put the holocaust in the bet light so people would
>>associate the word HOLOCAUST with the JEWS and WW2 so then JEWS could cash
>>in on HOLOCAUST by producing books, interviews, movies (all are tools of
>>propaganda)
>
> Please retract your lies, Leading Revisionist Scholar snow,
> now tha they have been exposed.
>
> Question 11:
>
> In article , on August 15,
> 2007, you authored an article which claimed, quote, "Kenneth McVay a
> pedophile and a child molester who molested his own daughter..."
>
> Please document when and where any of my children have
> made such statements or admit you cannot.
>
> Question 12:
>
> In article , posted on
> August 15, 2007, you made the following allegation:
>
> "NIZKOR's self appointed director Ken McVay involved in tax fraud."
>
> Document your allegation that I am involved in tax fraud, or retract it.
>
> Tax someone has committed such an offense, by all means report
> to the federal authorites post haste. Not doing so is, in and of
> itself, a crime.
>
> -- 
> "Streicher commit suicide while in the Nuremberg Jail But you
> people did hang him after that"
> (Kurt Knoll, Kitimat, B.C.'s Leading Revisionist Moron)
> The Nizkor Project:                    http://www.nizkor.org/ 



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"It's all a bit strange"  wrote in 
message news:Xns99E1E6771682TBAnoonecarescom@85.214.62.108...
> "B'enjamin C'ramer"  wrote in
> news:f42dnWn1LLmnM6_anZ2dnUVZ_s6mnZ2d@giganews.com:
>
>>> Really, Leading Revisionist Scholar snow? Please provide evidence
>>> that I do this for a living.
>>
>> Prove you don't, faigelah.
>>
>> Who pays for your computer networking/communication equipment, you
>> horrid old liar?
>>
>
> There you have it...benji admitting that he can't prove his assertions.
> Deniers are soooooooooooooooooooo easy.

And you still a virgin. 



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"It's all a bit strange"  wrote in 
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> TurkeyBoy  wrote in
> news:1194498459.171758.190970@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com:
>
>> On Nov 8, 1:00 am, "snow"  wrote:
>>> "TurkeyBoy"  wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:1194415495.765131.194160@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > What is the purpose of all this zionazi hate by proxy?
>>>
>>> > I am puzzled by the hate on behalf of Jews coming from so many non-
>>> > Jews. The worst offenders come to mind; McVay, Cohen and Jacobson.
>>>
>>> > What gives?
>>>
>>> > Are these peddlers of zionazi hate Jew haters pretending to be Jew
>>> > lovers? When you consider their methds and the insults they throw
>>> > at people on behalf of Jews, it is obvious that it can only bring
>>> > negative impressions about Jews.
>>>
>>> > When will McVay answer how much he gets paid for putting out his
>>> > daily zionazi hate propaganda and who it is that pays him? Maybe
>>> > neo-nazis pay him?
>>>
>>> > If Cohen is not really a Jew, why is she putting out so much filth
>>> > on behalf of Jews? Does she really thing that it helps Jews?
>>>
>>> > Jacobson has forged so may aliases that it is impossible to keep
>>> > track. We know that he is a Swede and we also know that Swedes were
>>> > nazi collaborators. Is Jacobson doing some nazi-collaboration by
>>> > creating hostility for Jews?
>>>
>>> > So many questions but I expect no answers, only more hate from
>>> > these zionazis. Still, it is vey curious.
>>>
>>> > Have a nice vegetarian day!
>>>
>>> Mr. McVay needs to keep pushing his crap not by intelligence but by
>>> volume and persistence. He does it because that's how he makes a
>>> living, doesn't matter if he believes it or not, his job is to be
>>> persistent and overwhelming and that's how NIZKOR gets donations.
>>> Surely it is NOT quality of his posts because he keeps repeating same
>>> crap every month. Why would Mr. McVay would like to come out with new
>>> research and revelations when the same reposts and repeating pays his
>>> bills. He seems to be too blind or dumb to see that he is being used
>>> as a holocaust marketing propaganda tool. From my understanding he
>>> had made many enemies, received death threats and is being disliked
>>> by many individuals. Perhaps he thinks he is a martyr or that he will
>>> be made into a sainthood for his sacrifices.  LOL
>>
>> McVay and NIZKOR are instruments of hate.
>>
>> Have a nice vegetarian day!
>>
>>
>>
>
> Anyone who calls someone else a Nazi, as Istvan did, is an instrument of
> Hate.
I agree totally. I had been called a Nazi many times on this newsgroup even 
though I actively engage in anti-Nazi peace movement. 



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"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message 
news:13j3rh6qcouif16@corp.supernews.com...
> In article ,
> Leading Revisionist Moron snow  wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>>>>http://www.fpp.co.uk/ActionReport/AR25/images/Sara_Salzman_150.jpg
>>>>http://www.fpp.co.uk/ActionReport/AR25/images/Sara_Salzman.jpg
>>>
>>> Evasion noted, Cowardly snow. Have you ever met or seen her?
>>>
>>> Clearly, the answer is no, and yet you feel free to make ridiculous 
>>> claims
>>> about her anyway.
>>>
>>> What a moron.
>>
>>You are a moron because I never said SARA was ugly and obese. I said ugly
>>and obese girls are usually more sexual than good looking girls.
>
> The implication was clear, Snearing Revisionist Coward snow. We knew
> what you meant.

There was no implication at all from my side, but it looks like YOU ARE 
suggesting she might be ugly and obese.
And who is WE as in "we knew", you and who?


>
>>Also I had seen Sara's picture in which she seems to be a good looking 
>>gal,
>>A little overweight perhaps but one of the pictures seems to intentionally
>>stretched.
>
> Leading Revisionist Scholar snow admits that David "See you, sue you"
> Irving doctors photographs.
>
> Let's see how quickly he will once again run from accounting for his lies:
>
> Leading Revisionist Scholar snow, it would be unfair, not to mention
> inconsiderate, for anyone to label you as a liar without giving you
> the opportunity to respond by supporting your specious assertions
> with documentary evidence.
>
> Question 1:
>
> On July 25, 2007, you made two claims, to wit:
>
> 1. That no one was gassed at Auschwitz or Majdanek
> 2. That the "gas chamber in aushwitz were build by russians after the
>   so called liberation."
>
> Please document your claims or retract them.
>
> Question 2: On July 26, 2007, you wrote:
>
> "I am still having a problem with the myth of gassing the jews."
>
> Please support your assertion with documentary evidence that homocidal
> gassings are a "myth."
>
> Question 3:
>
> On July 26, 2007, you claimed that, "jews come out with awards so they
> could award other jews and it is all based on how much you paid and to
> whom and actually has very little to do with achievements."
>
> Please document these claims or retract them.
>
> Question 4:
>
> On July 29, 2007, you claimed, "...McVay in one of the threads stated
> that 'if you question holocaust then you are automatically anti-Semite."
>
> Please provide an exact Google Groups link to any article in which
> I made such a statement.
>
> Question 5:
>
> In article ,
>
> you wrote:
>
> "In 1931 Stromberg v. California, the Jews defended Communists' free 
> speech
> rights. Six decades later, in R. v. Keegstra, the Jews sued to prevent the
> teaching of an alternative to the Exterminationist theory known as
> "Revisionism" -- and won."
>
> Please provide documentary evidence that Mr. Keegstra was "sued by Jews" 
> as
> you claim, and show how the Supreme Court of Canada lied when it said:
>
>   Mr. James Keegstra was a high school teacher in Eckville,
> Alberta, from the early 1970's until his dismissal in 1982.
> In 1984, Mr. Keegstra was charged under s. 319(2) (then
> 281.2(2)) of the Criminal Code with unlawfully promoting
> hatred against an identifiable group by communicating
> anti-Semitic statements to his students. He was convicted by
> a jury in a trial before McKenzie J. of the Alberta Court of
> Queen's Bench.
>
>   Mr. Keegstra's teachings attributed various evil
> qualities to Jews. He thus described Jews to his pupils as
> ''treacherous'', ''subversive'', ''sadistic'',
> ''money-loving'', ''power hungry'' and ''child killers''. He
> taught his classes that Jewish people seek to destroy
> Christianity and are responsible for depressions, anarchy,
> chaos, wars and revolution. According to Mr. Keegstra, Jews
> ''created the Holocaust to gain sympathy'' and, in contrast
> to the open and honest Christians, were said to be
> deceptive, secretive and inherently evil. Mr. Keegstra
> expected his students to reproduce his teachings in class
> and on exams. If they failed to do so, their marks suffered.
>
>   Prior to his trial, Mr. Keegstra applied to the Court of
> Queen's Bench in Alberta for an order quashing the charge on
> a number of grounds, the primary one being that s. 319(2) of
> the Criminal Code unjustifiably infringed his freedom of
> expression as guaranteed by s. 2(b) of the Charter. Among
> the other grounds of appeal was the allegation that the
> defence of truth found in s. 319(3)(a) of the Code violates
> the Charter's presumption of innocence. The application was
> dismissed by Quigley J., and Mr. Keegstra was thereafter
> tried and convicted. He then appealed his conviction to the
> Alberta Court of Appeal, raising the same Charter issues.
> The Court of Appeal unanimously accepted his argument, and
> it is from this judgment that the Crown appeals.
>
>   The Attorneys-General of Canada, Quebec, Ontario,
> Manitoba and New Brunswick, the Canadian Jewish Congress,
> Interamicus, the League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith,
> Canada, and the Women's Legal Education and Action Fund
> (L.E.A.F.) have intervened in this appeal in support of the
> Crown. The Canadian Civil Liberties Association has
> intervened in support of striking down the impugned
> legislation.
>
> Question 6:
>
> In article , you wrote:
>
> "Why is it that most if not all Holocaust supporting articles are written 
> by
> Jews or are sponsored by Jewish organization."
>
> Please prove your claim by providing data which supports it. List all 
> "Holocaust
> supporting" articles and document the Jewish background of the authors.
>
> Question 7:
>
> On July 30, 2007, you wrote:
>
> "...it was actually American Jews that sold iron and oil to Nazi
> Germany by using Sweden as a proxy since American jews couldn't
> deal directly with Nazi Germany.
>
> "Sweden banks that financed it were run by Jews, as well as proxy
> companies that were setup by jewish bank owners. Swedish people
> didn't have a clue what was being done behind their backs."
>
> Please document these assertions, naming the "American Jews"
> involved and the Swedish banks that were "setup by Jewish bank
> owners."
>
> Question 8:
>
> On July 31, 2007, you asked, "Why is it that most if not all Holocaust 
> supporting
> articles are written by Jews or are sponsored by Jewish organization."
>
> Please provide the data upon which you based these assertions. Include a
> comprehensive list of "Holocaust supporting articles " and their 
> authors,
> and show how each article is either written by a Jew or "sponsored by
> Jewish organizations."
>
> Question 9:
>
> On August 1, 2007, you wrote, "[Wikipedia] is edited by members
> who choose to exaggerate their own race or religion, and jews are
> the forefront of such edits."
>
> Please document your claims - particularly the one about the Jews
> being in the "forefront of such edits."
>
> Question 10:
>
> On August 5, 2007, you wrote:
>
>>Ken's website oMajdanek says 1.5 jews killed
>>http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/camps/maidanek/
>
> ...and...
>
>>KEN IS LYING!!! to put the holocaust in the best light so people would
>>associate the word HOLOCAUST with the JEWS and WW2 so then JEWS could cash
>>in on HOLOCAUST by producing books, interviews, movies (all are tools of
>>propaganda)
>
> Let's visit http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/ and see what we
> find, shall we?
>
> In http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/commission-07, we find the 
> Polish
> Commission (notNizkor) saying, "The Polish-Soviet Extraordinary
> Commission finds that during the four years the Majdanek Extermination
> Camp was in existence the Hitlerite butchers, on thc direct orders of
> their criminal government, exterminated by means of wholesalc shoincluding 
> Snyder, who
> wrote, ""It is
> estimated that 1.5 million inmates were gassed at Maidanek."
>
> (Snyder does NOT, the assertions of Leading Revisionist Scholar snow
> notwithstanding, claim that all the victims were Jewish - that is,
> he was lying - again.)
>
> The same article quotes Davidowitz (1,380,000 dead) and Sachar (500,000 
> dead), while the
> IFZ is quoted as saying that 50,000 *Jews* were murdered there.
>
> The Encyclopedia of the Holocaust is then cited, in a piece on Majdanek 
> written by
> Lublin University's Zygmunt Mankowski, who wrote "close to 500,000 passed
> through. Of those, according to current (1990) estimates, 360,000 died,
> sixty percent from camp conditions, and forty percent from gassing, 
> hanging,
> or being shot."
>
> Mankowski does not, contrary to your blather, claim that all the victims 
> were Jews.
>
> Now we get to the spot where NIZKOR says something, to wit:
>
> "I suspect it may be impossible to determine the numbers, but this article
> (EoH) struck me as reasonable, if for no other reason its mention of the
> transport records and the trials, plus the bibliographic data. I'd
> appreciate it if someone would check the earlier sources cited to 
> determine
> if any orignial source is offered, and get back to us."
>
>>KEN IS LYING!!! to put the holocaust in the bet light so people would
>>associate the word HOLOCAUST with the JEWS and WW2 so then JEWS could cash
>>in on HOLOCAUST by producing books, interviews, movies (all are tools of
>>propaganda)
>
> Please retract your lies, Leading Revisionist Scholar snow,
> now tha they have been exposed.
>
> Question 11:
>
> In article , on August 15,
> 2007, you authored an article which claimed, quote, "Kenneth McVay a
> pedophile and a child molester who molested his own daughter..."
>
> Please document when and where any of my children have
> made such statements or admit you cannot.
>
> Question 12:
>
> In article , posted on
> August 15, 2007, you made the following allegation:
>
> "NIZKOR's self appointed director Ken McVay involved in tax fraud."
>
> Document your allegation that I am involved in tax fraud, or retract it.
>
> Tax someone has committed such an offense, by all means report
> to the federal authorites post haste. Not doing so is, in and of
> itself, a crime.
>
> -- 
> "Streicher commit suicide while in the Nuremberg Jail But you
> people did hang him after that"
> (Kurt Knoll, Kitimat, B.C.'s Leading Revisionist Moron)
> The Nizkor Project:                    http://www.nizkor.org/ 



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 wrote in message 
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> On Nov 9, 2:09 am, "B'enjamin C'ramer" 
> wrote:
>>  wrote in message
>>
>> news:1194600397.524321.134880@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > In the last few weeks I've come across antisemitist "humor" on my
>> > cable television. It comes across as absurdist but I wonder how many
>> > people take it to conform with their stereotype of Jews. The most
>> > blatant was "Borat: Cultural Learning of America" where antisemitism
>> > as humor was heavily dosed throughout; from "Jewish costumed figures
>> > whom the goal of the players was to smash and kill, including the
>> > "egg" the Jewess hatched, to cockroaches as Jews and laying money down
>> > near them and running away from the house and getting in the van and
>> > Borat and his sidekick getting away to Americans talking that
>> > minorities like Jews are dangerous. Finally, I heard an antisemitic
>> > humor line on the Simpson's; I was so incensed I didn't remember it.
>> > In any event, these media have been watched by millions of people and
>> > the question I have is why in 2007 is antisemitism seen
>> > as a joke. How many Hollywood Jews make a joke of there being a Jew or
>> > Jewess and using antisemitism as a part of their funny act.
>>
>> Borat clearly does. He's a yid you silly little fellow.- Hide quoted 
>> text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> I'm aware of that; his last name is Cohen and he is a British
> comedian. But
> you really didn't answer the question. Rather than shaking dull and
> heavy
> conformity and making people less apathetic I find such antisemitic
> humor as reinforcing such stereotypes. The masses aren't as
> sophisticated
> as Borat seems to think.
>

Yes, they are or starting to become.  Just as Dave Chappelles show makes fun 
of Black stereotypes and Carlos Mencia (Mind of Mencia) show makes fun of 
Mexican stereotypes. Just 10 years ago such thing would be unacceptable but 
at present it is being accepted as comedy and humor.
http://www.comedycentral.com/shows/mind_of_mencia/index.jhtml
http://www.comedycentral.com/shows/chappelles_show/index.jhtml 



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Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 08:25:22 -0500



"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message 
news:13j7aq1tebnqe63@corp.supernews.com...
> In article <2uNYi.4445$RR6.33@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net>,
> Leading Revisionist Liar snow  wrote:
>
>>"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message
>>news:13j4nke65b2q072@corp.supernews.com...
>>> In article ,
>>> Leading Revisionist Scholar snow, Connecticut racist
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>>>Your whole intent is to post same questions so many times that it will 
>>>>be
>>>>the first Google listing.  It does work, but then again, except for your
>
>>> I do not care one whit about Google, Leading Revisionist Scholar snow.
>>> What I *do* care about is being able to demonstrate, in unmistakable
>>> fashion, that Holocaust deniers are liars and cowards.
>
>>And just one post thread above you said
>
>>"If Leading Revisionist Scholar snow wishes to consider the exact citation
>>of his numerous lies as "misrepresenting data and statements," it is
>>only a sign of his moral cowardice.
>
>>After all, one only needs to run Google Groups searches for the following
>>drivel to confirm the obvious: Mr. snow is a liar and a coward."
>
>>Now you say you don’t care about Google.
>
> I don't. It's simply THERE, Leading Revisionist Liar snow, along with
> dozens of other search engines. If I wanted top billing for liars like
> you, I'd arrange it. It is enough to provide constant reminders.
>
>>Mr. McVay, you are loosing your cool and contradicting yourself. It is
>>really time to get that second opinion from a doctor about Alzheimer.
>
> It is really time you found your balls, Leading Revisionist Scholar snow:

What is your fascination with my balls, do you want to suck on them?





>
> Leading Revisionist Scholar snow, it would be unfair, not to mention
> inconsiderate, for anyone to label you as a liar without giving you
> the opportunity to respond by supporting your specious assertions
> with documentary evidence.
>
> Question 1:
>
> On July 25, 2007, you made two claims, to wit:
>
> 1. That no one was gassed at Auschwitz or Majdanek
> 2. That the "gas chamber in aushwitz were build by russians after the
>   so called liberation."
>
> Please document your claims or retract them.
>
> Question 2: On July 26, 2007, you wrote:
>
> "I am still having a problem with the myth of gassing the jews."
>
> Please support your assertion with documentary evidence that homocidal
> gassings are a "myth."
>
> Question 3:
>
> On July 26, 2007, you claimed that, "jews come out with awards so they
> could award other jews and it is all based on how much you paid and to
> whom and actually has very little to do with achievements."
>
> Please document these claims or retract them.
>
> Question 4:
>
> On July 29, 2007, you claimed, "...McVay in one of the threads stated
> that 'if you question holocaust then you are automatically anti-Semite."
>
> Please provide an exact Google Groups link to any article in which
> I made such a statement.
>
> Question 5:
>
> In article ,
>
> you wrote:
>
> "In 1931 Stromberg v. California, the Jews defended Communists' free 
> speech
> rights. Six decades later, in R. v. Keegstra, the Jews sued to prevent the
> teaching of an alternative to the Exterminationist theory known as
> "Revisionism" -- and won."
>
> Please provide documentary evidence that Mr. Keegstra was "sued by Jews" 
> as
> you claim, and show how the Supreme Court of Canada lied when it said:
>
>   Mr. James Keegstra was a high school teacher in Eckville,
> Alberta, from the early 1970's until his dismissal in 1982.
> In 1984, Mr. Keegstra was charged under s. 319(2) (then
> 281.2(2)) of the Criminal Code with unlawfully promoting
> hatred against an identifiable group by communicating
> anti-Semitic statements to his students. He was convicted by
> a jury in a trial before McKenzie J. of the Alberta Court of
> Queen's Bench.
>
>   Mr. Keegstra's teachings attributed various evil
> qualities to Jews. He thus described Jews to his pupils as
> ''treacherous'', ''subversive'', ''sadistic'',
> ''money-loving'', ''power hungry'' and ''child killers''. He
> taught his classes that Jewish people seek to destroy
> Christianity and are responsible for depressions, anarchy,
> chaos, wars and revolution. According to Mr. Keegstra, Jews
> ''created the Holocaust to gain sympathy'' and, in contrast
> to the open and honest Christians, were said to be
> deceptive, secretive and inherently evil. Mr. Keegstra
> expected his students to reproduce his teachings in class
> and on exams. If they failed to do so, their marks suffered.
>
>   Prior to his trial, Mr. Keegstra applied to the Court of
> Queen's Bench in Alberta for an order quashing the charge on
> a number of grounds, the primary one being that s. 319(2) of
> the Criminal Code unjustifiably infringed his freedom of
> expression as guaranteed by s. 2(b) of the Charter. Among
> the other grounds of appeal was the allegation that the
> defence of truth found in s. 319(3)(a) of the Code violates
> the Charter's presumption of innocence. The application was
> dismissed by Quigley J., and Mr. Keegstra was thereafter
> tried and convicted. He then appealed his conviction to the
> Alberta Court of Appeal, raising the same Charter issues.
> The Court of Appeal unanimously accepted his argument, and
> it is from this judgment that the Crown appeals.
>
>   The Attorneys-General of Canada, Quebec, Ontario,
> Manitoba and New Brunswick, the Canadian Jewish Congress,
> Interamicus, the League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith,
> Canada, and the Women's Legal Education and Action Fund
> (L.E.A.F.) have intervened in this appeal in support of the
> Crown. The Canadian Civil Liberties Association has
> intervened in support of striking down the impugned
> legislation.
>
> Question 6:
>
> In article , you wrote:
>
> "Why is it that most if not all Holocaust supporting articles are written 
> by
> Jews or are sponsored by Jewish organization."
>
> Please prove your claim by providing data which supports it. List all 
> "Holocaust
> supporting" articles and document the Jewish background of the authors.
>
> Question 7:
>
> On July 30, 2007, you wrote:
>
> "...it was actually American Jews that sold iron and oil to Nazi
> Germany by using Sweden as a proxy since American jews couldn't
> deal directly with Nazi Germany.
>
> "Sweden banks that financed it were run by Jews, as well as proxy
> companies that were setup by jewish bank owners. Swedish people
> didn't have a clue what was being done behind their backs."
>
> Please document these assertions, naming the "American Jews"
> involved and the Swedish banks that were "setup by Jewish bank
> owners."
>
> Question 8:
>
> On July 31, 2007, you asked, "Why is it that most if not all Holocaust 
> supporting
> articles are written by Jews or are sponsored by Jewish organization."
>
> Please provide the data upon which you based these assertions. Include a
> comprehensive list of "Holocaust supporting articles " and their 
> authors,
> and show how each article is either written by a Jew or "sponsored by
> Jewish organizations."
>
> Question 9:
>
> On August 1, 2007, you wrote, "[Wikipedia] is edited by members
> who choose to exaggerate their own race or religion, and jews are
> the forefront of such edits."
>
> Please document your claims - particularly the one about the Jews
> being in the "forefront of such edits."
>
> Question 10:
>
> On August 5, 2007, you wrote:
>
>>Ken's website oMajdanek says 1.5 jews killed
>>http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/camps/maidanek/
>
> ...and...
>
>>KEN IS LYING!!! to put the holocaust in the best light so people would
>>associate the word HOLOCAUST with the JEWS and WW2 so then JEWS could cash
>>in on HOLOCAUST by producing books, interviews, movies (all are tools of
>>propaganda)
>
> Let's visit http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/ and see what we
> find, shall we?
>
> In http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/commission-07, we find the 
> Polish
> Commission (notNizkor) saying, "The Polish-Soviet Extraordinary
> Commission finds that during the four years the Majdanek Extermination
> Camp was in existence the Hitlerite butchers, on thc direct orders of
> their criminal government, exterminated by means of wholesalc shoincluding 
> Snyder, who
> wrote, ""It is
> estimated that 1.5 million inmates were gassed at Maidanek."
>
> (Snyder does NOT, the assertions of Leading Revisionist Scholar snow
> notwithstanding, claim that all the victims were Jewish - that is,
> he was lying - again.)
>
> The same article quotes Davidowitz (1,380,000 dead) and Sachar (500,000 
> dead), while the
> IFZ is quoted as saying that 50,000 *Jews* were murdered there.
>
> The Encyclopedia of the Holocaust is then cited, in a piece on Majdanek 
> written by
> Lublin University's Zygmunt Mankowski, who wrote "close to 500,000 passed
> through. Of those, according to current (1990) estimates, 360,000 died,
> sixty percent from camp conditions, and forty percent from gassing, 
> hanging,
> or being shot."
>
> Mankowski does not, contrary to your blather, claim that all the victims 
> were Jews.
>
> Now we get to the spot where NIZKOR says something, to wit:
>
> "I suspect it may be impossible to determine the numbers, but this article
> (EoH) struck me as reasonable, if for no other reason its mention of the
> transport records and the trials, plus the bibliographic data. I'd
> appreciate it if someone would check the earlier sources cited to 
> determine
> if any orignial source is offered, and get back to us."
>
>>KEN IS LYING!!! to put the holocaust in the bet light so people would
>>associate the word HOLOCAUST with the JEWS and WW2 so then JEWS could cash
>>in on HOLOCAUST by producing books, interviews, movies (all are tools of
>>propaganda)
>
> Please retract your lies, Leading Revisionist Scholar snow,
> now tha they have been exposed.
>
> Question 11:
>
> In article , on August 15,
> 2007, you authored an article which claimed, quote, "Kenneth McVay a
> pedophile and a child molester who molested his own daughter..."
>
> Please document when and where any of my children have
> made such statements or admit you cannot.
>
> Question 12:
>
> In article , posted on
> August 15, 2007, you made the following allegation:
>
> "NIZKOR's self appointed director Ken McVay involved in tax fraud."
>
> Document your allegation that I am involved in tax fraud, or retract it.
>
> If you believe that someone has committed such an offense, by all
> means report to the federal authorites post haste. Not doing so is,
> in and of itself, a crime.
>
> -- 
> "A better idea:  Russian, Chinese, Indian, Korean, French, and Pali
> nukes melting Israel into the sea." ("Chester Field," Leading
> Revisionist Scholar who appears to have forgotten his name.) 



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"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message 
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> In article ,
> snow  wrote:
>>
>>
>>"It's all a bit strange"  wrote in
>>message news:Xns99E1E6771682TBAnoonecarescom@85.214.62.108...
>>> "B'enjamin C'ramer"  wrote in
>>> news:f42dnWn1LLmnM6_anZ2dnUVZ_s6mnZ2d@giganews.com:
>>>
>>>>> Really, Leading Revisionist Scholar snow? Please provide evidence
>>>>> that I do this for a living.
>>>>
>>>> Prove you don't, faigelah.
>>>>
>>>> Who pays for your computer networking/communication equipment, you
>>>> horrid old liar?
>>>>
>>>
>>> There you have it...benji admitting that he can't prove his assertions.
>>> Deniers are soooooooooooooooooooo easy.
>>
>>And you still a virgin.
>
> Ah, but one day, he will awaken no longer a virgin. You, alas, will still 
> be a lying
> coward in the morning.


How unoriginal Mr. McVay. You are the coward for snitching on people without 
confronting them first. Now you turn around and call me coward. I am touched 
by your originality and by your stupidity and by your dumb looks.
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_Kenneth_McVay.jpg




>
> Leading Revisionist Scholar snow, it would be unfair, not to mention
> inconsiderate, for anyone to label you as a liar without giving you
> the opportunity to respond by supporting your specious assertions
> with documentary evidence.
>
> Question 1:
>
> On July 25, 2007, you made two claims, to wit:
>
> 1. That no one was gassed at Auschwitz or Majdanek
> 2. That the "gas chamber in aushwitz were build by russians after the
>   so called liberation."
>
> Please document your claims or retract them.
>
> Question 2: On July 26, 2007, you wrote:
>
> "I am still having a problem with the myth of gassing the jews."
>
> Please support your assertion with documentary evidence that homocidal
> gassings are a "myth."
>
> Question 3:
>
> On July 26, 2007, you claimed that, "jews come out with awards so they
> could award other jews and it is all based on how much you paid and to
> whom and actually has very little to do with achievements."
>
> Please document these claims or retract them.
>
> Question 4:
>
> On July 29, 2007, you claimed, "...McVay in one of the threads stated
> that 'if you question holocaust then you are automatically anti-Semite."
>
> Please provide an exact Google Groups link to any article in which
> I made such a statement.
>
> Question 5:
>
> In article ,
>
> you wrote:
>
> "In 1931 Stromberg v. California, the Jews defended Communists' free 
> speech
> rights. Six decades later, in R. v. Keegstra, the Jews sued to prevent the
> teaching of an alternative to the Exterminationist theory known as
> "Revisionism" -- and won."
>
> Please provide documentary evidence that Mr. Keegstra was "sued by Jews" 
> as
> you claim, and show how the Supreme Court of Canada lied when it said:
>
>   Mr. James Keegstra was a high school teacher in Eckville,
> Alberta, from the early 1970's until his dismissal in 1982.
> In 1984, Mr. Keegstra was charged under s. 319(2) (then
> 281.2(2)) of the Criminal Code with unlawfully promoting
> hatred against an identifiable group by communicating
> anti-Semitic statements to his students. He was convicted by
> a jury in a trial before McKenzie J. of the Alberta Court of
> Queen's Bench.
>
>   Mr. Keegstra's teachings attributed various evil
> qualities to Jews. He thus described Jews to his pupils as
> ''treacherous'', ''subversive'', ''sadistic'',
> ''money-loving'', ''power hungry'' and ''child killers''. He
> taught his classes that Jewish people seek to destroy
> Christianity and are responsible for depressions, anarchy,
> chaos, wars and revolution. According to Mr. Keegstra, Jews
> ''created the Holocaust to gain sympathy'' and, in contrast
> to the open and honest Christians, were said to be
> deceptive, secretive and inherently evil. Mr. Keegstra
> expected his students to reproduce his teachings in class
> and on exams. If they failed to do so, their marks suffered.
>
>   Prior to his trial, Mr. Keegstra applied to the Court of
> Queen's Bench in Alberta for an order quashing the charge on
> a number of grounds, the primary one being that s. 319(2) of
> the Criminal Code unjustifiably infringed his freedom of
> expression as guaranteed by s. 2(b) of the Charter. Among
> the other grounds of appeal was the allegation that the
> defence of truth found in s. 319(3)(a) of the Code violates
> the Charter's presumption of innocence. The application was
> dismissed by Quigley J., and Mr. Keegstra was thereafter
> tried and convicted. He then appealed his conviction to the
> Alberta Court of Appeal, raising the same Charter issues.
> The Court of Appeal unanimously accepted his argument, and
> it is from this judgment that the Crown appeals.
>
>   The Attorneys-General of Canada, Quebec, Ontario,
> Manitoba and New Brunswick, the Canadian Jewish Congress,
> Interamicus, the League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith,
> Canada, and the Women's Legal Education and Action Fund
> (L.E.A.F.) have intervened in this appeal in support of the
> Crown. The Canadian Civil Liberties Association has
> intervened in support of striking down the impugned
> legislation.
>
> Question 6:
>
> In article , you wrote:
>
> "Why is it that most if not all Holocaust supporting articles are written 
> by
> Jews or are sponsored by Jewish organization."
>
> Please prove your claim by providing data which supports it. List all 
> "Holocaust
> supporting" articles and document the Jewish background of the authors.
>
> Question 7:
>
> On July 30, 2007, you wrote:
>
> "...it was actually American Jews that sold iron and oil to Nazi
> Germany by using Sweden as a proxy since American jews couldn't
> deal directly with Nazi Germany.
>
> "Sweden banks that financed it were run by Jews, as well as proxy
> companies that were setup by jewish bank owners. Swedish people
> didn't have a clue what was being done behind their backs."
>
> Please document these assertions, naming the "American Jews"
> involved and the Swedish banks that were "setup by Jewish bank
> owners."
>
> Question 8:
>
> On July 31, 2007, you asked, "Why is it that most if not all Holocaust 
> supporting
> articles are written by Jews or are sponsored by Jewish organization."
>
> Please provide the data upon which you based these assertions. Include a
> comprehensive list of "Holocaust supporting articles " and their 
> authors,
> and show how each article is either written by a Jew or "sponsored by
> Jewish organizations."
>
> Question 9:
>
> On August 1, 2007, you wrote, "[Wikipedia] is edited by members
> who choose to exaggerate their own race or religion, and jews are
> the forefront of such edits."
>
> Please document your claims - particularly the one about the Jews
> being in the "forefront of such edits."
>
> Question 10:
>
> On August 5, 2007, you wrote:
>
>>Ken's website oMajdanek says 1.5 jews killed
>>http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/camps/maidanek/
>
> ...and...
>
>>KEN IS LYING!!! to put the holocaust in the best light so people would
>>associate the word HOLOCAUST with the JEWS and WW2 so then JEWS could cash
>>in on HOLOCAUST by producing books, interviews, movies (all are tools of
>>propaganda)
>
> Let's visit http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/ and see what we
> find, shall we?
>
> In http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/commission-07, we find the 
> Polish
> Commission (notNizkor) saying, "The Polish-Soviet Extraordinary
> Commission finds that during the four years the Majdanek Extermination
> Camp was in existence the Hitlerite butchers, on thc direct orders of
> their criminal government, exterminated by means of wholesalc shoincluding 
> Snyder, who
> wrote, ""It is
> estimated that 1.5 million inmates were gassed at Maidanek."
>
> (Snyder does NOT, the assertions of Leading Revisionist Scholar snow
> notwithstanding, claim that all the victims were Jewish - that is,
> he was lying - again.)
>
> The same article quotes Davidowitz (1,380,000 dead) and Sachar (500,000 
> dead), while the
> IFZ is quoted as saying that 50,000 *Jews* were murdered there.
>
> The Encyclopedia of the Holocaust is then cited, in a piece on Majdanek 
> written by
> Lublin University's Zygmunt Mankowski, who wrote "close to 500,000 passed
> through. Of those, according to current (1990) estimates, 360,000 died,
> sixty percent from camp conditions, and forty percent from gassing, 
> hanging,
> or being shot."
>
> Mankowski does not, contrary to your blather, claim that all the victims 
> were Jews.
>
> Now we get to the spot where NIZKOR says something, to wit:
>
> "I suspect it may be impossible to determine the numbers, but this article
> (EoH) struck me as reasonable, if for no other reason its mention of the
> transport records and the trials, plus the bibliographic data. I'd
> appreciate it if someone would check the earlier sources cited to 
> determine
> if any orignial source is offered, and get back to us."
>
>>KEN IS LYING!!! to put the holocaust in the bet light so people would
>>associate the word HOLOCAUST with the JEWS and WW2 so then JEWS could cash
>>in on HOLOCAUST by producing books, interviews, movies (all are tools of
>>propaganda)
>
> Please retract your lies, Leading Revisionist Scholar snow,
> now tha they have been exposed.
>
> Question 11:
>
> In article , on August 15,
> 2007, you authored an article which claimed, quote, "Kenneth McVay a
> pedophile and a child molester who molested his own daughter..."
>
> Please document when and where any of my children have
> made such statements or admit you cannot.
>
> Question 12:
>
> In article , posted on
> August 15, 2007, you made the following allegation:
>
> "NIZKOR's self appointed director Ken McVay involved in tax fraud."
>
> Document your allegation that I am involved in tax fraud, or retract it.
>
> If you believe that someone has committed such an offense, by all
> means report to the federal authorites post haste. Not doing so is,
> in and of itself, a crime.
>
> -- 
> "Only anti-Christs, babykillers, homose, Pharisees, commies
> and other such filth don't like me." (Bellville's Scott
> Bradbury, Texas' leading revisionist scholar)
> The Nizkor Project:                    http://www.nizkor.org/ 



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"Kurt Knoll"  wrote in
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> My Brother was captured by the Americans and then transferred over to
> the French. The French in turn shipped the German prisoners to the
> Normandy coast , striped them naked and with machine gun chaed them
> thru mine fields. 

I was there and your brother runs like a girl.


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"Richard Warren"  wrote in message 
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>
> "perfumeTheMovie"  wrote in message 
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>> If any of you suggest that there is an 'official' version of the
>> holocaust, you are automatically labled a denier!    See Ken McVay for
>> details.(this guy's an idiot)
>
>
>
> OK, genius, why don't *you* tell *us* what the "official" version of the 
> Holocaust is.
>

There wasn't an official version of holocaust until the age of internet. I 
believe Nizkor.com officialized holocaust 



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"snow"  wrote in message 
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>> My Brother was captured by the Americans and then transferred over to
>> the French. The French in turn shipped the German prisoners to the
>> Normandy coast , striped them naked and with machine gun chaed them
>> thru mine fields.
>
> I was there and your brother runs like a girl.

Were you forging or whinnying like a girl. 



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The Real Motive Behind
'Dept Of Global Anti-Semitism'
By Rev. Ted
8-25-5

On October 16, 2004 President Bush signed into law the Global Anti-Semitism 
Review Act. It establishes a special department within the U.S. State 
Department to monitor global anti-Semitism, reporting annually to Congress.

This is more "Hate Crimes" legislation, orchestrated by the international 
Jewish religious, educational, and fraternal organization, B'nai B'rith, and 
its Anti-Defamation League. The new "Department of Global Anti-Semitism" is 
designed to make critics of Israel not only into "anti-Semites" but 
ultimately into "domestic terrorists."

But first, what is anti-Semitism? Simple: It is the racist belief that Jews, 
because of heredity, are evil, greedy, corrupting, subversive, degenerate, 
etc. Hitler believed this. So do the KKK and certain "Christian identity" 
and white supremacist groups.

Such dehumanization of Jews is evil, un-Christian, un-American.

On the other hand, if the actions of individual Jews, Jewish institutions, 
Jewish religious or secular leaders, or the nation Israel have been evil, 
then vehement criticism is not anti-Semitic. It is courageous and laudable. 
Certainly, the Biblical prophets, including Christ, engaged in vitriolic 
criticism of the sinful nation Israel and its false leaders. No one 
considers them anti-Semitic.

TWISTED DEFINITIONS OF "ANTI-SEMITISM"

However, in its "Report on Global Anti-Semitism" and "Global Anti-Semitism 
Report," the U.S. State Department ignores the above perspectives. Here is a 
list of beliefs or activities the U.S. government now considers 
anti-Semitic:

1. Any assertion "that the Jewish community controls government, the media, 
international business and the financial world" is anti-Semitic.

2. "Strong anti-Israel sentiment" is anti-Semitic.

3. "Virulent criticism" of Israel's leaders, past or present, is 
anti-Semitic. According to the State Department, anti-Semitism occurs when a 
swastika is portrayed in a cartoon decrying the behavior of a past or 
present Zionist leader. Thus, a cartoon that includes a swastika to 
criticize Ariel Sharon's brutal 2002 invasion of the West Bank, raining 
"hell-fire" missiles on hapless Palestinian men, women and children, is 
anti-Semitic. Similarly, when the word "Zionazi" is used to describe 
Sharon's saturation bombing in Lebanon in 1982 (killing 17,500 innocent 
refugees), it is also "anti-Semitic."

4. Criticism of the Jewish religion or its religious leaders or literature 
(especially the Talmud and Kabbalah) is anti-Semitic.

5. Criticism of the U.S. government and Congress for being under undue 
influence by the Jewish-Zionist community (including AIPAC) is anti-Semitic.

6. Criticism of the Jewish-Zionist community for promoting globalism (the 
"New World Order") is anti-Semitic.

7. Blaming Jewish leaders and their followers for inciting the Roman 
crucifixion of Christ is anti-Semitic.

8. Diminishing the "six million" figure of Holocaust victims is 
anti-Semitic.

9. Calling Israel a "racist" state is anti-Semitic.

10. Asserting that there exists a "Zionist Conspiracy" is anti-Semitic.

11. Claiming that Jews and their leaders created the Bolshevik Revolution in 
Russia is anti-Semitic.

12. Making "derogatory statements about Jewish persons" is anti-Semitic.

13. Denying spiritually disobedient Jews the biblical right to re-occupy 
Palestine is anti-Semitic.

14. Alleging that Mossad was behind the 9/11 attack is anti-Semitic.

ANTI-SEMITISM IS A "HATE CRIME"

In the Global Anti-Semitism Report, State Department spokespersons 
Ambassador Edward O'Donnell and the head of the office of global 
anti-Semitism, Ambassador Michael B. Kozak, defend the State Department's 
definitions. O'Donnell's statement that he wants to "end all anti-Semitism 
and other hate crimes" reveals that he considers anti-Semitism a hate crime. 
Presumably, he would like such a "crime" to be punished.

These State Department reports repeatedly equate "strong, anti-Israel 
sentiment" and criticism of matters Jewish with "hate." They give no 
recognition to the possibility that such criticism might be sincerely 
motivated not by hate but by moral indignation or even love for the Jewish 
people.

The Report on Global Anti-Semitism repeatedly calls for passage, both 
nationally and internationally, of "hate crime" legislation. These laws, the 
brainchild of B'nai B'rith/ADL, also have as their ultimate goal making it a 
"hate crime" to criticize Jews, matters Jewish, or the state of Israel.

The Report on Global Anti-Semitism reeks with B'nai B'rith/ADL logic, 
phraseology, and evidence of their incredible worldwide organizational and 
statistic-gathering capacities. It contains thirty-three pages of minute 
documentation of "anti-Semitic incidents" in fifty-eight countries of the 
world, documentation which only B'nai B'rith/ADL, with its offices in more 
than fifty countries, could compile or even be that vitally interested in. 
Without a doubt, as with hate laws, this Global Anti-Semitism Review Act is 
their creation.

CRITICISM-FREE ZONE FOR JEWS

Thus, the Department of Anti-Semitism, applauded and advised by B'nai 
B'rith/ADL, is working to create a worldwide "criticism-free zone" for Jews 
in the "New World Order" that is coming. This report ignores whether 
criticisms of matters Jewish are true. What must be defended are the 
sensitivities of the Jewish people! Consequently, relating such unflattering 
realities as the anti-Christian, anti-Gentile contents of the Talmud and 
Kabbalah, Jewish origins of bolshevism, Jewish dominance of Hollywood and 
the media, Jewish control of Congress through AIPAC, Zionist atrocities and 
abrasiveness in the Middle East is anti-Semitic. It is "hate." It does not 
matter that such facts can be easily and extensively documented, often from 
impeccable Jewish sources such as the Encyclopedia Judaica.

All such anti-Semitism, this report says, is a "scourge," an "intolerable 
burden," which "for an increasingly interdependent worldmust be ended."

On the other hand, according to the U.S. State Department, there does exist 
some possibility that "objective criticism" of Israel and its leaders can be 
tolerated - that is, just as long as such criticism does not "cross the 
line" and become "strong anti-Israel sentiment" and "virulent." Such 
criticism should not "demonize" Jews, Jewish religious or political leaders, 
or the state of Israel.

However, what may be considered "virulence" or "demonization" by Zionists 
may be seen as nothing more than salty truth-telling by critics of Israel. 
Hypocritically, the State Department itself is not above "demonizing" strong 
critics of Israel in the most "virulent" terms as a "plague" and "scourge" 
on mankind!

TURNING "ANTI-SEMITISM" INTO "DOMESTIC TERRORISM"

The State Department's twisted definition of anti-Semitism provides 
exponential opportunities to persecute Bible-believing Christians, anti-war 
activists, Moslems, as well as publishers and broadcasters in the years 
ahead. In fact, by turning "strong" criticism of the American/Zionist 
coalition into "anti-Semitism and other hate crimes," the State Department 
opens the door to eventual characterization of those who criticize Israel as 
not only anti-Semites but also as "domestic terrorists."

Here's how it can be done:

Today, those who raise funds in America to support America's and Israel's 
terrorist enemies are arrested as "domestic terrorists." But what if 
articulate Americans provided something else, potentially even more valuable 
to Israel's enemies: "strong criticism" of Israel? Such could weaken Israel 
morally in the sight of the world, giving justification to the claims of her 
terrorist enemies. Should they also be punished?

As the Second World War was beginning in 1939, Charles Lindberg was publicly 
critical of international Jews for inveigling America into a war to destroy 
Hitler. Lindberg believed that Hitler should be allowed to do what he wanted 
to do most, move east and destroy "Jewish Communism" in Russia.

In 1944, 30 Americans, who agreed with Lindberg, were arrested for the crime 
of "sedition," weakening America's resolve in the fight against fascism. 
Later investigation under the Freedom of Information Act revealed that the 
ADL, attempting to equate criticism of international Jews with Nazism, had 
entirely created the FBI case.

Records revealed that the ADL was "only warming up" by pursuing sedition 
convictions against 30 innocent Americans. Their ultimate ambition was to 
imprison prominent critics of evil Jewish leadership, especially Charles 
Lindberg. Fortunately, ADL's attempt to transform 30 critics of 
international Jews into "Nazis" failed when the judge died and the case was 
dissolved.

Today, America and Israel are allies in the "war on terror." Tomorrow, 
especially if the war on terror intensifies and America and Israel cooperate 
even more closely, criticism of America's ally in the war on terrorism may 
be construed as "aiding and abetting the enemy." Such "strong criticism" or 
anti-Semitism may be seen as not only weakening Israel, but America itself.

Turning millions of Americans into anti-Semites for criticizing Israel is 
thus a transition toward ADL's ultimate goal: making such persons "enemies 
of the war on terror," i.e., "domestic terrorists."

They then can be prosecuted under Homeland Security laws.

CANADA: ALREADY MAKING "ANTI-SEMITES" INTO "DOMESTIC TERRORISTS"

In Canada, we are seeing exactly this happen. Ernst Zundel is a Holocaust 
revisionist who doubts that a full six million Jews were deliberately 
murdered by the Nazis, largely by gassing. He asserts that untold numbers of 
Jews in German internment camps, especially in the last years of the war, 
died not in gas chambers, but as a result of massive, well-documented typhus 
epidemics, which also killed countless Poles, Gypsies, Russians, etc. Yet in 
Canada, thanks to ADL/B'nai B'rith, it is a "hate crime" to lesson to any 
degree the six million figure of Holocaust dead, or that most of them died 
in gas chambers. Such diminishment is anti-Semitism, a "hate crime" 
punishable by harsh fines and imprisonment. Several years ago Zundel was 
deported from his home in Tennessee back to Canada to spend more than two 
years in solitary confinement in a Canadian prison. He was then deported 
back to his native Germany where he remains in prison.

Under what charge have Canadian authorities been holding him?

You guessed it. He is a "terrorist threat!"

So it will be for millions of Americans tomorrow if ADL/B'nai B'rith have 
their way and the Department of Anti-Semitism's twisted definitions of 
anti-Semitism are allowed to stand.

The Department of Global Anti-Semitism is informing the world who the 
"domestic terrorists" of tomorrow will be.

They are you and I.

WHAT CAN WE DO?

We can do plenty!

Call our members of Congress toll-free at 1-877-762-8762

Call the U.S. State Department comment line at 1-202-647-4000

Demand that all funding and authority for the development of the Department 
of Anti-Semitism be rescinded.

Demand that Congressional hearings be held to re-formulate a workable, 
balanced definition of "anti-Semitism" - one that protects Bible-believing 
Christians, critics of Israel, and Moslems from persecution as 
"anti-Semites."

Also, call into talk shows, especially large, syndicated ones.

Since the threat of hate laws is "taboo" on most large shows, do not tell 
the talk show operator that you want to comment on that subject. If the 
topic of the day is even remotely related to the issue of free speech, 
terrorism, the Mid-East, etc., begin with those topics but quickly move the 
discussion to the threat of hate laws. Describe how free speech is lost in 
Canada; how eleven Christians were arrested under Pennsylvania's hate law; 
how the "Department of Anti-semitism" would make many Americans into 
anti-semites.

Talk show hosts: For an interview with Rev. Ted Pike on the "Department of 
Anti-Semitism," call 503-631-3808.

For many articles on "hate crimes" legislation and B'nai B'rith's role in 
creating it, visit www.truthtellers.org.

For a gripping 80-minute video documentary by Ted Pike, "Hate Laws: Making 
Criminals of Christians," at $24.90 postpaid, call 503-631-3808, order 
online, or write

National Prayer Network, P.O. Box 828, Clackamas, OR 97015
http://www.rense.com/general67/globa.htm 



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"Yosarian"  wrote in message 
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> On 8 Nov 2007 11:31:18 -0800, TurkeyBoy  wrote:
>
>>On Nov 8, 5:09 pm, "Patrick Keenan"  wrote:
>>> "RearGunner"  wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:MPG.219da7e2308d684898968f@west.usenet-news.net...
>>>
>>> > In article ,
>>> > onlytetr...@alltimes.yo says...
>>> >>http://www.interfax-news.com/3/312115/news.aspx
>>>
>>> > Your link does not work!
>>>
>>>  And no archives on  that site, so the primary places you can find the 
>>> story
>>> are Zundelsite and... David Icke.   Now there's a reliable source.
>>>
>>> Sure, I'll take the word of a guy who says we're controlled by reptoid
>>> shapeshifting aliens.   Why wouldn't I?
>>>
>>> -pk
>>
>>I used "Yitzhak Arad war crimes" on MSN search and got numerous hits
>>proving that Cramer's report is factual.
>>
>>Your and your "friends" credibility suffers when you deny things that
>>are this easy to prove.
>>
>>Have a nice denier day!
>
>
> News
> Send to friend | Print version
> Yitzhak Arad, former Director of the Yad Vashem museumSeptember 18,
> 2007, 10:55
> Lithuanian-Israeli row brewing over WW2 killings
> Israel has refused a request from Lithuania's chief prosecutor to
> question Yitzhak Arad, former Director of the Israeli Holocaust
> Museum. The prosecutor alleges that Arad was involved in the killing
> of Lithuanian civilians as a partisan fighter during World War Two.
> The dispute started with a small article in a local Lithuanian
> magazine, but grew to involve the governments of Israel and Lithuania,
> who are now deadlocked over what steps to take next.
>
>
>
> Until now they've not found even one Jew who would have killed
> defenceless Lithuanians. There were no Jews like this.

This is bunch of crap because there were bands of Bolshevik and communist 
Jews who murdered many defenseless people who opposed bolshevism. Not to say 
that Jews were the only ones participating in such attacks but to say that 
there was not even one Jew who would have killed defenseless Lithuanians is 
crap.
You can read more about Jewish support of Bolshevism and Communism here
http://www.electronicmuseum.ca/Poland-WW2/ethnic_minorities_occupation/jews.html







And in all the
> archives you will find the names of 23,000 Lithuanians who killed
> Jewish people.
>
> Joseph Melamed, President,
> Association of Lithuanian Jews in IsraelBased on quotes from his
> autobiography, and testimonies Yitzhak Arad gave at the trials of Nazi
> war criminals, Lithuania's chief prosecutor wants to question him for
> alleged crimes against Nazi collaborators.
>
> Mr Arad believes he was targeted as part of a general Lithuanian
> policy against pro-Soviet World War Two troops: "What, as I
> understand, they are investigating now, is actually the whole Soviet
> partisan movement," he says.
>
> Unlike ordinary Lithuanian civilians, his choice, as a Jewish teenager
> in a territory occupied by the Nazis, was for survival, Mr Arad says:
> "I saw as my obligation to fight those who were murderers of my
> people, those who were murderers of millions of other people. I saw it
> as my duty. I was proud of it. And of course, I saw it also as a
> matter of survival."
>
> The Israeli government says the request to question Yitzhak Arad is
> nothing short of outrageous.
>
> The issue in general first arose when Lithuania established a
> committee to examine the role of partisans in the killings of
> Lithuanian civilians.
>
> Leading historians in Israel charge that the committee was not
> established to discover the truth, but rather to ease Lithuania's
> acceptance into the European Union.
>
>
>
> 


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> On Nov 10, 6:23 am, "Chris C. Larson" 
> wrote:
>> On Nov 10, 7:16 am, "snow"  wrote:
>>
>> > The Real Motive Behind
>> > 'Dept Of Global Anti-Semitism'
>> > By Rev. Ted
>> > 8-25-5
>>
>> > On October 16, 2004 President Bush signed into law the Global 
>> > Anti-Semitism
>> > Review Act. It establishes a special department within the U.S. State
>> > Department to monitor global anti-Semitism, reporting annually to 
>> > Congress.
>>
>> > This is more "Hate Crimes" legislation, orchestrated by the 
>> > international
>> > Jewish religious, educational, and fraternal organization, B'nai 
>> > B'rith, and
>> > its Anti-Defamation League. The new "Department of Global 
>> > Anti-Semitism" is
>> > designed to make critics of Israel not only into "anti-Semites" but
>> > ultimately into "domestic terrorists."
>>
>> > But first, what is anti-Semitism? Simple: It is the racist belief that 
>> > Jews,
>> > because of heredity, are evil, greedy, corrupting, subversive, 
>> > degenerate,
>> > etc. Hitler believed this. So do the KKK and certain "Christian 
>> > identity"
>> > and white supremacist groups.
>>
>> > Such dehumanization of Jews is evil, un-Christian, un-American.
>>
>> > On the other hand, if the actions of individual Jews, Jewish 
>> > institutions,
>> > Jewish religious or secular leaders, or the nation Israel have been 
>> > evil,
>> > then vehement criticism is not anti-Semitic. It is courageous and 
>> > laudable.
>> > Certainly, the Biblical prophets, including Christ, engaged in 
>> > vitriolic
>> > criticism of the sinful nation Israel and its false leaders. No one
>> > considers them anti-Semitic.
>>
>> > TWISTED DEFINITIONS OF "ANTI-SEMITISM"
>>
>> > However, in its "Report on Global Anti-Semitism" and "Global 
>> > Anti-Semitism
>> > Report," the U.S. State Department ignores the above perspectives. Here 
>> > is a
>> > list of beliefs or activities the U.S. government now considers
>> > anti-Semitic:
>>
>> > 1. Any assertion "that the Jewish community controls government, the 
>> > media,
>> > international business and the financial world" is anti-Semitic.
>>
>> > 2. "Strong anti-Israel sentiment" is anti-Semitic.
>>
>> > 3. "Virulent criticism" of Israel's leaders, past or present, is
>> > anti-Semitic. According to the State Department, anti-Semitism occurs 
>> > when a
>> > swastika is portrayed in a cartoon decrying the behavior of a past or
>> > present Zionist leader. Thus, a cartoon that includes a swastika to
>> > criticize Ariel Sharon's brutal 2002 invasion of the West Bank, raining
>> > "hell-fire" missiles on hapless Palestinian men, women and children, is
>> > anti-Semitic. Similarly, when the word "Zionazi" is used to describe
>> > Sharon's saturation bombing in Lebanon in 1982 (killing 17,500 innocent
>> > refugees), it is also "anti-Semitic."
>>
>> > 4. Criticism of the Jewish religion or its religious leaders or 
>> > literature
>> > (especially the Talmud and Kabbalah) is anti-Semitic.
>>
>> > 5. Criticism of the U.S. government and Congress for being under undue
>> > influence by the Jewish-Zionist community (including AIPAC) is 
>> > anti-Semitic.
>>
>> > 6. Criticism of the Jewish-Zionist community for promoting globalism 
>> > (the
>> > "New World Order") is anti-Semitic.
>>
>> > 7. Blaming Jewish leaders and their followers for inciting the Roman
>> > crucifixion of Christ is anti-Semitic.
>>
>> > 8. Diminishing the "six million" figure of Holocaust victims is
>> > anti-Semitic.
>>
>> > 9. Calling Israel a "racist" state is anti-Semitic.
>>
>> > 10. Asserting that there exists a "Zionist Conspiracy" is anti-Semitic.
>>
>> > 11. Claiming that Jews and their leaders created the Bolshevik 
>> > Revolution in
>> > Russia is anti-Semitic.
>>
>> > 12. Making "derogatory statements about Jewish persons" is 
>> > anti-Semitic.
>>
>> > 13. Denying spiritually disobedient Jews the biblical right to 
>> > re-occupy
>> > Palestine is anti-Semitic.
>>
>> > 14. Alleging that Mossad was behind the 9/11 attack is anti-Semitic.
>>
>> > ANTI-SEMITISM IS A "HATE CRIME"
>>
>> > In the Global Anti-Semitism Report, State Department spokespersons
>> > Ambassador Edward O'Donnell and the head of the office of global
>> > anti-Semitism, Ambassador Michael B. Kozak, defend the State 
>> > Department's
>> > definitions. O'Donnell's statement that he wants to "end all 
>> > anti-Semitism
>> > and other hate crimes" reveals that he considers anti-Semitism a hate 
>> > crime.
>> > Presumably, he would like such a "crime" to be punished.
>>
>> > These State Department reports repeatedly equate "strong, anti-Israel
>> > sentiment" and criticism of matters Jewish with "hate." They give no
>> > recognition to the possibility that such criticism might be sincerely
>> > motivated not by hate but by moral indignation or even love for the 
>> > Jewish
>> > people.
>>
>> > The Report on Global Anti-Semitism repeatedly calls for passage, both
>> > nationally and internationally, of "hate crime" legislation. These 
>> > laws, the
>> > brainchild of B'nai B'rith/ADL, also have as their ultimate goal making 
>> > it a
>> > "hate crime" to criticize Jews, matters Jewish, or the state of Israel.
>>
>> > The Report on Global Anti-Semitism reeks with B'nai B'rith/ADL logic,
>> > phraseology, and evidence of their incredible worldwide organizational 
>> > and
>> > statistic-gathering capacities. It contains thirty-three pages of 
>> > minute
>> > documentation of "anti-Semitic incidents" in fifty-eight countries of 
>> > the
>> > world, documentation which only B'nai B'rith/ADL, with its offices in 
>> > more
>> > than fifty countries, could compile or even be that vitally interested 
>> > in.
>> > Without a doubt, as with hate laws, this Global Anti-Semitism Review 
>> > Act is
>> > their creation.
>>
>> > CRITICISM-FREE ZONE FOR JEWS
>>
>> > Thus, the Department of Anti-Semitism, applauded and advised by B'nai
>> > B'rith/ADL, is working to create a worldwide "criticism-free zone" for 
>> > Jews
>> > in the "New World Order" that is coming. This report ignores whether
>> > criticisms of matters Jewish are true. What must be defended are the
>> > sensitivities of the Jewish people! Consequently, relating such 
>> > unflattering
>> > realities as the anti-Christian, anti-Gentile contents of the Talmud 
>> > and
>> > Kabbalah, Jewish origins of bolshevism, Jewish dominance of Hollywood 
>> > and
>> > the media, Jewish control of Congress through AIPAC, Zionist atrocities 
>> > and
>> > abrasiveness in the Middle East is anti-Semitic. It is "hate." It does 
>> > not
>> > matter that such facts can be easily and extensively documented, often 
>> > from
>> > impeccable Jewish sources such as the Encyclopedia Judaica.
>>
>> > All such anti-Semitism, this report says, is a "scourge," an 
>> > "intolerable
>> > burden," which "for an increasingly interdependent worldmust be ended."
>>
>> > On the other hand, according to the U.S. State Department, there does 
>> > exist
>> > some possibility that "objective criticism" of Israel and its leaders 
>> > can be
>> > tolerated - that is, just as long as such criticism does not "cross the
>> > line" and become "strong anti-Israel sentiment" and "virulent." Such
>> > criticism should not "demonize" Jews, Jewish religious or political 
>> > leaders,
>> > or the state of Israel.
>>
>> > However, what may be considered "virulence" or "demonization" by 
>> > Zionists
>> > may be seen as nothing more than salty truth-telling by critics of 
>> > Israel.
>> > Hypocritically, the State Department itself is not above "demonizing" 
>> > strong
>> > critics of Israel in the most "virulent" terms as a "plague" and 
>> > "scourge"
>> > on mankind!
>>
>> > TURNING "ANTI-SEMITISM" INTO "DOMESTIC TERRORISM"
>>
>> > The State Department's twisted definition of anti-Semitism provides
>> > exponential opportunities to persecute Bible-believing Christians, 
>> > anti-war
>> > activists, Moslems, as well as publishers and broadcasters in the years
>> > ahead. In fact, by turning "strong" criticism of the American/Zionist
>> > coalition into "anti-Semitism and other hate crimes," the State 
>> > Department
>> > opens the door to eventual characterization of those who criticize 
>> > Israel as
>> > not only anti-Semites but also as "domestic terrorists."
>>
>> > Here's how it can be done:
>>
>> > Today, those who raise funds in America to support America's and 
>> > Israel's
>> > terrorist enemies are arrested as "domestic terrorists." But what if
>> > articulate Americans provided something else, potentially even more 
>> > valuable
>> > to Israel's enemies: "strong criticism" of Israel? Such could weaken 
>> > Israel
>> > morally in the sight of the world, giving justification to the claims 
>> > of her
>> > terrorist enemies. Should they also be punished?
>>
>> > As the Second World War was beginning in 1939, Charles Lindberg was 
>> > publicly
>> > critical of international Jews for inveigling America into a war to 
>> > destroy
>> > Hitler. Lindberg believed that Hitler should be allowed to do what he 
>> > wanted
>> > to do most, move east and destroy "Jewish Communism" in Russia.
>>
>> > In 1944, 30 Americans, who agreed with Lindberg, were arrested for the 
>> > crime
>> > of "sedition," weakening America's resolve in the fight against 
>> > fascism.
>> > Later investigation under the Freedom of Information Act revealed that 
>> > the
>> > ADL, attempting to equate criticism of international Jews with Nazism, 
>> > had
>> > entirely created the FBI case.
>>
>> > Records revealed that the ADL was "only warming up" by pursuing 
>> > sedition
>> > convictions against 30 innocent Americans. Their ultimate ambition was 
>> > to
>> > imprison prominent critics of evil Jewish leadership, especially 
>> > Charles
>> > Lindberg. Fortunately, ADL's attempt to transform 30 critics of
>> > international Jews into "Nazis" failed when the judge died and the case 
>> > was
>> > dissolved.
>>
>> > Today, America and Israel are allies in the "war on terror." Tomorrow,
>> > especially if the war on terror intensifies and America and Israel 
>> > cooperate
>> > even more closely, criticism of America's ally in the war on terrorism 
>> > may
>> > be construed as "aiding and abetting the enemy." Such "strong 
>> > criticism" or
>> > anti-Semitism may be seen as not only weakening Israel, but America 
>> > itself.
>>
>> > Turning millions of Americans into anti-Semites for criticizing Israel 
>> > is
>> > thus a transition toward ADL's ultimate goal: making such persons 
>> > "enemies
>> > of the war on terror," i.e., "domestic terrorists."
>>
>> > They then can be prosecuted under Homeland Security laws.
>>
>> > CANADA: ALREADY MAKING "ANTI-SEMITES" INTO "DOMESTIC TERRORISTS"
>>
>> > In Canada, we are seeing exactly this happen. Ernst Zundel is a 
>> > Holocaust
>> > revisionist who doubts that a full six million Jews were deliberately
>> > murdered by the Nazis, largely by gassing. He asserts that untold 
>> > numbers of
>> > Jews in German internment camps, especially in the last years of the 
>> > war,
>> > died not in gas chambers, but as a result of massive, well-documented 
>> > typhus
>> > epidemics, which also killed countless Poles, Gypsies, Russians, etc. 
>> > Yet in
>> > Canada, thanks to ADL/B'nai B'rith, it is a "hate crime" to lesson to 
>> > any
>> > degree the six million figure of Holocaust dead, or that most of them 
>> > died
>> > in gas chambers. Such diminishment is anti-Semitism, a "hate crime"
>> > punishable by harsh fines and imprisonment. Several years ago Zundel 
>> > was
>> > deported from his home in Tennessee back to Canada to spend more than 
>> > two
>> > years in solitary confinement in a Canadian prison. He was then 
>> > deported
>> > back to his native Germany where he remains in prison.
>>
>> > Under what charge have Canadian authorities been holding him?
>>
>> > You guessed it. He is a "terrorist threat!"
>>
>> > So it will be for millions of Americans tomorrow if ADL/B'nai B'rith 
>> > have
>> > their way and the Department of Anti-Semitism's twisted definitions of
>> > anti-Semitism are allowed to stand.
>>
>> > The Department of Global Anti-Semitism is informing the world who the
>> > "domestic terrorists" of tomorrow will be.
>>
>> > They are you and I.
>>
>> > WHAT CAN WE DO?
>>
>> > We can do plenty!
>>
>> > Call our members of Congress toll-free at 1-877-762-8762
>>
>> > Call the U.S. State Department comment line at 1-202-647-4000
>>
>> > Demand that all funding and authority for the development of the 
>> > Department
>> > of Anti-Semitism be rescinded.
>>
>> > Demand that Congressional hearings be held to re-formulate a workable,
>> > balanced definition of "anti-Semitism" - one that protects 
>> > Bible-believing
>> > Christians, critics of Israel, and Moslems from persecution as
>> > "anti-Semites."
>>
>> > Also, call into talk shows, especially large, syndicated ones.
>>
>> > Since the threat of hate laws is "taboo" on most large shows, do not 
>> > tell
>> > the talk show operator that you want to comment on that subject. If the
>> > topic of the day is even remotely related to the issue of free speech,
>> > terrorism, the Mid-East, etc., begin with those topics but quickly move 
>> > the
>> > discussion to the threat of hate laws. Describe how free speech is lost 
>> > in
>> > Canada; how eleven Christians were arrested under Pennsylvania's hate 
>> > law;
>> > how the "Department of Anti-semitism" would make many Americans into
>> > anti-semites.
>>
>> > Talk show hosts: For an interview with Rev. Ted Pike on the "Department 
>> > of
>> > Anti-Semitism," call 503-631-3808.
>>
>> > For many articles on "hate crimes" legislation and B'nai B'rith's role 
>> > in
>> > creating it, visitwww.truthtellers.org.
>>
>> > For a gripping 80-minute video documentary by Ted Pike, "Hate Laws: 
>> > Making
>> > Criminals of Christians," at $24.90 postpaid, call 503-631-3808, order
>> > online, or write
>>
>> > National Prayer Network, P.O. Box 828, Clackamas, OR 
>> > 97015http://www.rense.com/general67/globa.htm
>>
>> The last grasp of a "side" trying to prove their point (that has been
>> going nowhere):
>>
>> Cut and paste something several years old. And it's in this case from
>> the great "Rev" Ted Pike. (Editor's question- where is that divinity
>> "degree" from? )
>>
>> Funny, but Pike and his minions are hardly Christians. Hijacking the
>> name "Christianity", they turn the religion into a basis for racial
>> hate. Depending on which sect, Christ is the traditional looking long
>> locked Christ or a "bald headed" Christ (a hit with the  skinhead
>> "racist Christians").
>>
>> But all one really need to know about the kind of Christianity like
>> "Bishop" Pike and his ilk troll out is that ordination can be yours
>> upon completion of a $100 on-line course (and don't forget shipping &
>> handling).
>
>
>
> Rense.com is a total antisemitic UFO crackpot site. As for President
> Bush signing into law the Global Anti-Semitism Review Act. It
> establishes a special department within the U.S. State  Department to
> monitor global anti-Semitism, reporting annually to Congress; it's
> just that an assessment built of information. It has no inherent power
> to stifle or stop antisemitism necessarily wrldwide antisemitism. It's
> more a tool of guaging antisemitic trends worldwide.
>
>
> Michael Ragland
>

Sounds more like a job for Israeli government as that is the Jewish home 
state. USA government should address issues of racism of blacks and 
Hispanics that takes place within USA borders instead of worrying about 
world wide anti-Semitism. 



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"Colonel Sanders"  wrote in message 
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> On Nov 10, 11:16 pm, "snow"  wrote:
>> The Real Motive Behind
>> 'Dept Of Global Anti-Semitism'
>> By Rev. Ted
>> 8-25-5
>>
>> On October 16, 2004 President Bush signed into law the Global 
>> Anti-Semitism
>> Review Act. It establishes a special department within the U.S. State
>> Department to monitor global anti-Semitism, reporting annually to 
>> Congress.
>>
>> This is more "Hate Crimes" legislation, orchestrated by the international
>> Jewish religious, educational, and fraternal organization, B'nai B'rith, 
>> and
>> its Anti-Defamation League. The new "Department of Global Anti-Semitism" 
>> is
>> designed to make critics of Israel not only into "anti-Semites" but
>> ultimately into "domestic terrorists."
>>
>> But first, what is anti-Semitism? Simple: It is the racist belief that 
>> Jews,
>> because of heredity, are evil, greedy, corrupting, subversive, 
>> degenerate,
>> etc. Hitler believed this. So do the KKK and certain "Christian identity"
>> and white supremacist groups.
>>
>> Such dehumanization of Jews is evil, un-Christian, un-American.
>>
>> On the other hand, if the actions of individual Jews, Jewish 
>> institutions,
>> Jewish religious or secular leaders, or the nation Israel have been evil,
>> then vehement criticism is not anti-Semitic. It is courageous and 
>> laudable.
>> Certainly, the Biblical prophets, including Christ, engaged in vitriolic
>> criticism of the sinful nation Israel and its false leaders. No one
>> considers them anti-Semitic.
>>
>> TWISTED DEFINITIONS OF "ANTI-SEMITISM"
>>
>> However, in its "Report on Global Anti-Semitism" and "Global 
>> Anti-Semitism
>> Report," the U.S. State Department ignores the above perspectives. Here 
>> is a
>> list of beliefs or activities the U.S. government now considers
>> anti-Semitic:
>>
>> 1. Any assertion "that the Jewish community controls government, the 
>> media,
>> international business and the financial world" is anti-Semitic.
>>
>> 2. "Strong anti-Israel sentiment" is anti-Semitic.
>>
>> 3. "Virulent criticism" of Israel's leaders, past or present, is
>> anti-Semitic. According to the State Department, anti-Semitism occurs 
>> when a
>> swastika is portrayed in a cartoon decrying the behavior of a past or
>> present Zionist leader. Thus, a cartoon that includes a swastika to
>> criticize Ariel Sharon's brutal 2002 invasion of the West Bank, raining
>> "hell-fire" missiles on hapless Palestinian men, women and children, is
>> anti-Semitic. Similarly, when the word "Zionazi" is used to describe
>> Sharon's saturation bombing in Lebanon in 1982 (killing 17,500 innocent
>> refugees), it is also "anti-Semitic."
>>
>> 4. Criticism of the Jewish religion or its religious leaders or 
>> literature
>> (especially the Talmud and Kabbalah) is anti-Semitic.
>>
>> 5. Criticism of the U.S. government and Congress for being under undue
>> influence by the Jewish-Zionist community (including AIPAC) is 
>> anti-Semitic.
>>
>> 6. Criticism of the Jewish-Zionist community for promoting globalism (the
>> "New World Order") is anti-Semitic.
>>
>> 7. Blaming Jewish leaders and their followers for inciting the Roman
>> crucifixion of Christ is anti-Semitic.
>>
>> 8. Diminishing the "six million" figure of Holocaust victims is
>> anti-Semitic.
>>
>> 9. Calling Israel a "racist" state is anti-Semitic.
>>
>> 10. Asserting that there exists a "Zionist Conspiracy" is anti-Semitic.
>>
>> 11. Claiming that Jews and their leaders created the Bolshevik Revolution 
>> in
>> Russia is anti-Semitic.
>>
>> 12. Making "derogatory statements about Jewish persons" is anti-Semitic.
>>
>> 13. Denying spiritually disobedient Jews the biblical right to re-occupy
>> Palestine is anti-Semitic.
>>
>> 14. Alleging that Mossad was behind the 9/11 attack is anti-Semitic.
>>
>> ANTI-SEMITISM IS A "HATE CRIME"
>>
>> In the Global Anti-Semitism Report, State Department spokespersons
>> Ambassador Edward O'Donnell and the head of the office of global
>> anti-Semitism, Ambassador Michael B. Kozak, defend the State Department's
>> definitions. O'Donnell's statement that he wants to "end all 
>> anti-Semitism
>> and other hate crimes" reveals that he considers anti-Semitism a hate 
>> crime.
>> Presumably, he would like such a "crime" to be punished.
>>
>> These State Department reports repeatedly equate "strong, anti-Israel
>> sentiment" and criticism of matters Jewish with "hate." They give no
>> recognition to the possibility that such criticism might be sincerely
>> motivated not by hate but by moral indignation or even love for the 
>> Jewish
>> people.
>>
>> The Report on Global Anti-Semitism repeatedly calls for passage, both
>> nationally and internationally, of "hate crime" legislation. These laws, 
>> the
>> brainchild of B'nai B'rith/ADL, also have as their ultimate goal making 
>> it a
>> "hate crime" to criticize Jews, matters Jewish, or the state of Israel.
>>
>> The Report on Global Anti-Semitism reeks with B'nai B'rith/ADL logic,
>> phraseology, and evidence of their incredible worldwide organizational 
>> and
>> statistic-gathering capacities. It contains thirty-three pages of minute
>> documentation of "anti-Semitic incidents" in fifty-eight countries of the
>> world, documentation which only B'nai B'rith/ADL, with its offices in 
>> more
>> than fifty countries, could compile or even be that vitally interested 
>> in.
>> Without a doubt, as with hate laws, this Global Anti-Semitism Review Act 
>> is
>> their creation.
>>
>> CRITICISM-FREE ZONE FOR JEWS
>>
>> Thus, the Department of Anti-Semitism, applauded and advised by B'nai
>> B'rith/ADL, is working to create a worldwide "criticism-free zone" for 
>> Jews
>> in the "New World Order" that is coming. This report ignores whether
>> criticisms of matters Jewish are true. What must be defended are the
>> sensitivities of the Jewish people! Consequently, relating such 
>> unflattering
>> realities as the anti-Christian, anti-Gentile contents of the Talmud and
>> Kabbalah, Jewish origins of bolshevism, Jewish dominance of Hollywood and
>> the media, Jewish control of Congress through AIPAC, Zionist atrocities 
>> and
>> abrasiveness in the Middle East is anti-Semitic. It is "hate." It does 
>> not
>> matter that such facts can be easily and extensively documented, often 
>> from
>> impeccable Jewish sources such as the Encyclopedia Judaica.
>>
>> All such anti-Semitism, this report says, is a "scourge," an "intolerable
>> burden," which "for an increasingly interdependent worldmust be ended."
>>
>> On the other hand, according to the U.S. State Department, there does 
>> exist
>> some possibility that "objective criticism" of Israel and its leaders can 
>> be
>> tolerated - that is, just as long as such criticism does not "cross the
>> line" and become "strong anti-Israel sentiment" and "virulent." Such
>> criticism should not "demonize" Jews, Jewish religious or political 
>> leaders,
>> or the state of Israel.
>>
>> However, what may be considered "virulence" or "demonization" by Zionists
>> may be seen as nothing more than salty truth-telling by critics of 
>> Israel.
>> Hypocritically, the State Department itself is not above "demonizing" 
>> strong
>> critics of Israel in the most "virulent" terms as a "plague" and 
>> "scourge"
>> on mankind!
>>
>> TURNING "ANTI-SEMITISM" INTO "DOMESTIC TERRORISM"
>>
>> The State Department's twisted definition of anti-Semitism provides
>> exponential opportunities to persecute Bible-believing Christians, 
>> anti-war
>> activists, Moslems, as well as publishers and broadcasters in the years
>> ahead. In fact, by turning "strong" criticism of the American/Zionist
>> coalition into "anti-Semitism and other hate crimes," the State 
>> Department
>> opens the door to eventual characterization of those who criticize Israel 
>> as
>> not only anti-Semites but also as "domestic terrorists."
>>
>> Here's how it can be done:
>>
>> Today, those who raise funds in America to support America's and Israel's
>> terrorist enemies are arrested as "domestic terrorists." But what if
>> articulate Americans provided something else, potentially even more 
>> valuable
>> to Israel's enemies: "strong criticism" of Israel? Such could weaken 
>> Israel
>> morally in the sight of the world, giving justification to the claims of 
>> her
>> terrorist enemies. Should they also be punished?
>>
>> As the Second World War was beginning in 1939, Charles Lindberg was 
>> publicly
>> critical of international Jews for inveigling America into a war to 
>> destroy
>> Hitler. Lindberg believed that Hitler should be allowed to do what he 
>> wanted
>> to do most, move east and destroy "Jewish Communism" in Russia.
>>
>> In 1944, 30 Americans, who agreed with Lindberg, were arrested for the 
>> crime
>> of "sedition," weakening America's resolve in the fight against fascism.
>> Later investigation under the Freedom of Information Act revealed that 
>> the
>> ADL, attempting to equate criticism of international Jews with Nazism, 
>> had
>> entirely created the FBI case.
>>
>> Records revealed that the ADL was "only warming up" by pursuing sedition
>> convictions against 30 innocent Americans. Their ultimate ambition was to
>> imprison prominent critics of evil Jewish leadership, especially Charles
>> Lindberg. Fortunately, ADL's attempt to transform 30 critics of
>> international Jews into "Nazis" failed when the judge died and the case 
>> was
>> dissolved.
>>
>> Today, America and Israel are allies in the "war on terror." Tomorrow,
>> especially if the war on terror intensifies and America and Israel 
>> cooperate
>> even more closely, criticism of America's ally in the war on terrorism 
>> may
>> be construed as "aiding and abetting the enemy." Such "strong criticism" 
>> or
>> anti-Semitism may be seen as not only weakening Israel, but America 
>> itself.
>>
>> Turning millions of Americans into anti-Semites for criticizing Israel is
>> thus a transition toward ADL's ultimate goal: making such persons 
>> "enemies
>> of the war on terror," i.e., "domestic terrorists."
>>
>> They then can be prosecuted under Homeland Security laws.
>>
>> CANADA: ALREADY MAKING "ANTI-SEMITES" INTO "DOMESTIC TERRORISTS"
>>
>> In Canada, we are seeing exactly this happen. Ernst Zundel is a Holocaust
>> revisionist who doubts that a full six million Jews were deliberately
>> murdered by the Nazis, largely by gassing. He asserts that untold numbers 
>> of
>> Jews in German internment camps, especially in the last years of the war,
>> died not in gas chambers, but as a result of massive, well-documented 
>> typhus
>> epidemics, which also killed countless Poles, Gypsies, Russians, etc. Yet 
>> in
>> Canada, thanks to ...
>>
>> read more »
>
>
> What a Tragic Comedy?!
>
> Anything American that starts with "Global" can simply not and with
> "Act".
>
> Making "Global" Laws seems to fall into the Wishful Thinking Category
> regardless
> of how noble their cause might be.
>
> How long before this Ridiculous Bunch of Washington Clowns also known
> collectively as
>
> "The Establishment" get the message that they are irrelevant to the
> rest of the world?
>
> - More to the point, how about "Global Regulation of the Loud Farting
> Act"?
>

United States has a tendency to use GLOBAL or WORLD to give that extra oomph 
and make it sound as USA controls the whole world. To me it sounds more as 
propaganda than reality as United States does not have global jurisdiction. 



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"It's all a bit strange"  wrote in 
message news:Xns99E4A8885EB40TBAnoonecarescom@194.177.96.26...
> To help snow with his reading/comprehension problem I'll post the two
> definitions:
>
> 1)  A shorthand abbreviation of naZIDenier.
>
> 2)  Acronym for "Zero Intelligent Dolt" as in Kurt is a zid.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_ethnonym
look under slavic countries so you will know where ZID or ZYD comes from, 
zydzie pierdolony 



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 wrote in message 
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> On Nov 12, 1:00 am, "B'enjamin C'ramer" 
> wrote:
>>  wrote in message
>>
>> news:1194857084.152650.32980@o3g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> > Mark Weitzman UN Testimony
>>
>> > TESTIMONY OF MARK WEITZMAN
>>
>> > DIRECTOR OF THE TASK FORCE AGAINST HATE AND TERRORISM
>> > SIMON WIESENTHAL CENTER
>>
>> Well. This should be a balanced, unbiased and objective document.

Anything that comes from Wiesenthal Center is very pro-jewish and had been 
since the start. They even are after former US presidents.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,250673,00.html
and after ordinary citizens
http://seanbryson.com/articles/simon_wiesenthal_argentina.html

>
> Yes, it is from a representive from the Wiensental Center. A Jew.
> Quite honestly I think they
> are being conservative with a tally of just 7,000 sites.
>
> Michael Ragland
>

I would like to see a list of these 7,000 sites, Something tells me that 
perhaps it is 7,000 individual web pages, some counted twice, just as the 
names of Jews perished during ww2.

http://christianparty.net/wiesenthalsuit.htm




>
>>
>>
>>
>> > BEFORE THE
>> > U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
>> > COMMITTEE ON HOMELAND SECURITY
>>
>> > Hearing on
>>
>> > "USING THE WEB AS A WEAPON:
>> > THE INTERNET AS A TOOL FOR VIOLENT RADICALIZATION AND HOMEGROWN
>> > TERRORISM"
>>
>> > November 6, 2007
>>
>> > WASHINGTON, DC
>>
>> > TESTIMONY OF MARK WEITZMAN
>> > BEFORE THE
>> > U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES COMMITTEE ON HOMELAND SECURITY
>> > November 6, 2007
>>
>> > Good Afternoon. Thank you, Mr. Chairman and Members of the Committee,
>> > for inviting me to speak to you today on the topic of "Using the Web
>> > as a Weapon: the Internet as a Tool for Violent Radicalization and
>> > Homegrown Terrorism."  My name is Mark Weitzman, and I am the Director
>> > of the Task Force Against Hate and Terrorism for the Simon Wiesenthal
>> > Center. I am also the Simon Wiesenthal Center's chief representative
>> > to the United Nations.
>>
>> > While I often begin my presentations by saying that we at the Simon
>> > Wiesenthal Center have been tracking extremism online since 1995, the
>> > reality is that we actually began much earlier. By 1983 and 1984,
>> > various domestic extremists such as George Dietz, Tom Metzger and
>> > Louis Beam were already using the Bulletin Board Systems to post
>> > material for their followers and others.  The potential that these
>> > earliest users saw was later realized, leading one United States white
>> > supremacist to declare a decade later that "the Internet is our
>> > sword."
>>
>> > Some, like David Duke, saw the Internet as not only being a
>> > revolutionary communications medium, but as having great import for
>> > their own revolutionary ideas. For example, Duke wrote on his website,
>> > "I believe that the Internet will begin a chain reaction of racial
>> > enlightenment that will shake the world by the speed of its
>> > intellectual conquest."  Duke's longtime friend, Don Black, together
>> > with Duke's ex-wife(and Black's future wife), Chloe Hardin teamed up
>> > to begin Stormfront on March 27, 1995, which is generally credited as
>> > being the first extremist website, and which today is still one of the
>> > most prominent and important sites online.
>>
>> > The Oklahoma City bombing brought domestic extremism into sharper
>> > focus, and the increasing use by the general public of the Internet
>> > quickly led more domestic extremists into the electronic age. At that
>> > time we began to publicly track that growth, and have continued to do
>> > so. The growth has been explosive, with our database growing from 1
>> > (Stormfront) at the time of the bombing of the Alfred Murrah building
>> > on April 19, 1995, to over 7,000 today. Initially, the overwhelming
>> > number of those sites came from what could be described as Western
>> > extremists. These included skinhead, neo-Nazi, white power, ethnic and
>> > religious extremist, homophobic and conspiratorial sites, and the
>> > numbers showed steady growth, as did the technical capabilities of the
>> > sites. They were used to recruit, to raise money, to propagandize, to
>> > incite, and to provide a virtual community to hitherto far-flung
>> > fellow believers. By doing so, the Internet came to be viewed as
>> > empowering a whole new generation of extremists.
>>
>> > The next defining moment was 9/11.  The attacks on the United States
>> > signified a new stage in Internet extremism, with Islamist extremism
>> > rapidly exploding online.  I use the term Islamist in contrast to
>> > Islam to signify the radical jihadist and extremist ideology.  At the
>> > time of the attacks, there were almost no such sites.  Today, they
>> > number in the thousands.
>>
>> > As might be expected, in some ways the use of the Internet by
>> > Islamist extremists resembled the early stages of Western extremist
>> > use, as they both began at a relatively simple level before moving on
>> > to more complex usage. However, from the very beginning, the Islamists
>> > who planned 9/11 were more sophisticated in their approach, using the
>> > Internet for planning and communication. Of course, part of that can
>> > be attributed to having the benefit of the growing technical
>> > capabilities of the Internet, as well as reflecting the growth in
>> > cyberknowledge of its users.
>>
>> > The reasons for this phenomenal growth are varied. The Internet is,
>> > as an early observer wrote "subversive, because [it] offer[s]
>> > potential enfranchisement to the disenfranchised and voice to the
>> > voiceless."  It allows individuals who are isolated or alienated, both
>> > physically and psychologically, to feel that they are linked,
>> > empowered and members of an international movement. For some young
>> > Muslims in the West, who are living in an environment where they are
>> > alienated both from the majority culture and from the traditional
>> > structures of Muslim life that have broken down in the West, the
>> > Internet provides access to a radical form of Islam that gives seekers
>> > the virtual environment that they are searching for. This is seen as a
>> > purer and uncompromised version of the religion, and thus strengthens
>> > its appeal by creating a strong demarcation between the moderate
>> > version and its more extreme manifestation.
>>
>> > Radicalization can be a result of this relationship. The Internet,
>> > and its idealized and radicalized virtual community, overtakes the
>> > perceived dismal reality of the real world, and provides an
>> > authoritative narrative that creates its own reality. This reality is
>> > constructed to fill a void, and its prime target is youth, especially
>> > those alienated in some way from their surroundings. The use of
>> > professional, slick and appealing sites, videos, chat rooms,
>> > newsgroups, etc., are all forms of communication that are commonly
>> > used by younger users who are prepared to take the information they
>> > receive at face value.
>>
>> > This points out another important aspect of the Internet. As Ian
>> > Buruma has written, "The Internet...lacks a superego that filters out
>> > the monster from the depths."  This means that there is no editorial
>> > control, and anyone can present himself or herself as the expert, or
>> > the authoritative face of a religion. In this case, because of the
>> > social and psychological factors described above, Islam is presented
>> > as a pure and moral religion under continuous assault from the
>> > corrupt, immoral West, especially embodied by Israel and the United
>> > States. This narrative is illustrated online by references and visuals
>> > from areas of conflict, all carefully edited to fit into various
>> > aspects of the narrative (Islam as victim, Islam victorious, etc.).
>>
>> > This trend was summarized by an Arab Human Rights website that wrote,
>> > "Starting from a few years ago, observers have noticed a growing
>> > religious trend in Arabic web pages: The majority of Arabic language
>> > web pages are either about Islam, as interpreted by those responsible
>> > for the websites, or are calling for the spread of Islam.... The
>> > majority of Islamic web pages all call for the adoption of the
>> > extremist Sunni interpretation that has spread widely in the Arab Gulf
>> > area and extended to reach other Arab states, non-Arab Islamic states
>> > like Afghanistan and Pakistan, as well as Muslims living in Europe and
>> > North America.... In spite of the fact that many of these Islamic web
>> > pages preach religious hatred against non-Muslims and even against
>> > other Islamic groups, they have managed to slip past the bans and the
>> > filters put in place by Arab states. Many Arab governments practice
>> > selective censorship; that they permit the continued existence of
>> > these Islamic sites is less a result of a respect for the freedom of
>> > expression than it is a reflection of their satisfaction with the
>> > content of these websites."
>>
>> > In many ways the Internet favors the religious extremist. It allows
>> > anyone to set himself or herself up as an authority figure, to the
>> > extent that reports last year indicate that some lesser-known Muslim
>> > leaders had overtaken Osama bin Laden as the leading figure in the
>> > jihadist movement.  They did this by using the chat rooms and online
>> > forums to establish their authority, and while some might react by
>> > saying that anything that cuts into the influence of bin Laden is
>> > good, the reality is that this means that even the removal of bin
>> > Laden or Ayman al-Zawahri would have no impact in threatening the
>> > movement. And, since one of the effects of this online communication
>> > is that the more radical posters are the ones to stand out, and so the
>> > discourse is often ratcheted up, with the result being an even more
>> > militant or radicalized leadership and followers.
>>
>> > The growing sophistication of the Islamists is also apparent in the
>> > production values of their sites. Whether it is in the use of
>> > different media, such as videos and games, or different languages, the
>> > Islamist outreach is much more attractive and accessible. Part of this
>> > can be attributed to Arabic sites and organizations that have
>> > recognized the need to reach a large audience, but part of it is also
>> > the result of Western Muslim extremists, some of whom are converts,
>> > who have taken the familiarity they have acquired by living in the
>> > electronic society as well as taken advantage of the rights granted to
>> > them by those societies, to create and post Islamist and jihadist
>> > websites.  By literally speaking the language of their targets, they
>> > represent a significant growing factor in online Islamist extremism.
>>
>> > To illustrate the trends described above, we have put together a
>> > short PowerPoint demonstration. Without going into deep detail in
>> > these written remarks, I would like to offer some brief descriptions
>> > of the material that will be shown. The presentation begins with a
>> > look at how 9/11 is viewed in some eyes online, including those who
>> > applauded it as well as some conspiracies sites. The presence of the
>> > conspiracy site is significant, since so much of what passes as fact
>> > online is actually based on some form of conspiracy. These are often
>> > built around the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, which allege Jewish
>> > control of the world, or around presenting the United States
>> > government as being engaged in various conspiracies or cover-ups, or
>> > ultimately having the entire Western world engaged in a vast, multi-
>> > layered conspiracy against the Islamic world.
>>
>> > Next is a series of sites of media portals which show some of the
>> > varied methods that the Islamists use to get their message out,
>> > including some based on United States servers. These are followed by
>> > some looks at charts and other manuals on how to use violence, along
>> > with a novel interpretation of jihad that calls for an "electronic
>> > jihad."
>>
>> > There are jihad discussion groups and some Islamist sites aimed at
>> > Latin America (a new target), as well as some links to extremist right-
>> > wing groups like Neo-Nazi, etc. It is worth pointing out that some
>> > observers have noted the attempts online to bring Islamist and right-
>> > wing extremist groups together, which are often visible in
>> > cyberspace.
>>
>> > Next are a series of games that show some of the different themes
>> > used by all sorts of extremists, and how they target youth by tapping
>> > into fears and issues that the extremists attempt to manipulate.
>> > Finally, I end with a look at how the United States is still
>> > specifically threatened.
>>
>> > Conclusions
>>
>> > The Internet has become as real a battlefield as exists anyplace. It
>> > provides a haven and an opportunity for Islamist extremists to
>> > recruit, educate, communicate and bond in a secure, protected
>> > environment. As a result, in many ways it is the prime factor in the
>> > radicalization of many of recruits to the jihadi ideology. This factor
>> > calls for increased attention and efforts to counter the growing
>> > influence of the Internet in these areas. Some steps that might aid in
>> > this effort include:
>>
>> > 1) We must be aware of the empowering effect of the Internet on
>> > extremists.
>>
>> > 2) We must have researchers and responders who have both the technical
>> > and linguistic skills to keep us informed, and to be able to respond
>> > to what is online.
>>
>> > 3) We must make users aware of the misinformation and techniques used
>> > by extremists.
>>
>> > 4) We must have increased cooperation internationally, and among the
>> > political, law enforcement, NGO, academic, and all other interested
>> > sectors.
>>
>> > 5) There must be the political will to legally act when necessary.
>>
>> > 6) We must be prepared to invest in positive sites that can present
>> > alternative narratives that might counteract the Islamists material
>> > (i.e., the Simon Wiesenthal Center's new AskMusa.com site that
>> > presents Jews and Judaism in four major Islamic languages directly to
>> > the Muslim public).
>>
>> > In many ways we have ceded the Internet to our enemies, and the
>> > result has been extremely harmful. However, even in a globalized
>> > world, there is no reason to believe that this condition is permanent.
>> > But we need to focus our efforts better, and to invest more resources
>> > in this struggle. As the famous Holocaust survivor, and namesake of
>> > our Center, Simon Wiesenthal wrote in 1989, "The combination of hatred
>> > and technology is the greatest threat facing mankind."  How we face
>> > that threat might well define the world we will live in the near
>> > future.
>>
>> Yep. Just as I thought. All pro-yid shite.

That's why anything coming from Wiesenthal Center should be taken with grain 
of salt or ignored totally.


>
>
> People form groups; that is the way it is unfourtunately; probably got
> that way from
> our ancestors getting a virus from picking insects off each other.
>
> Michael Ragland
>
>
> 


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"It's all a bit strange"  wrote in 
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> "snow"  wrote in
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>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_ethnonym
>> look under slavic countries so you will know where ZID or ZYD comes
>> from, zydzie pierdolony
>
> YOu still can't read. If I was using the czech word I'd have to use some
> special annotation. Of course we know that czech words are in common
> useage.
>
> try harder next time.

You are an idiot. 



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"B'enjamin C'ramer"  wrote in message 
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> Excellent find, Snow. Thank you.
>
> Now - How to distribute this to the wider community?

Do what Mr. McVay does,  make same post every 2 weeks, that might even bring 
the post on 1st page under google groups.


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> "snow"  wrote in message 
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>> The Real Motive Behind
>> 'Dept Of Global Anti-Semitism'
>> By Rev. Ted
>> 8-25-5
>>
>> On October 16, 2004 President Bush signed into law the Global 
>> Anti-Semitism Review Act. It establishes a special department within the 
>> U.S. State Department to monitor global anti-Semitism, reporting annually 
>> to Congress.
>>
>> This is more "Hate Crimes" legislation, orchestrated by the international 
>> Jewish religious, educational, and fraternal organization, B'nai B'rith, 
>> and its Anti-Defamation League. The new "Department of Global 
>> Anti-Semitism" is designed to make critics of Israel not only into 
>> "anti-Semites" but ultimately into "domestic terrorists."
>>
>> But first, what is anti-Semitism? Simple: It is the racist belief that 
>> Jews, because of heredity, are evil, greedy, corrupting, subversive, 
>> degenerate, etc. Hitler believed this. So do the KKK and certain 
>> "Christian identity" and white supremacist groups.
>>
>> Such dehumanization of Jews is evil, un-Christian, un-American.
>>
>> On the other hand, if the actions of individual Jews, Jewish 
>> institutions, Jewish religious or secular leaders, or the nation Israel 
>> have been evil, then vehement criticism is not anti-Semitic. It is 
>> courageous and laudable. Certainly, the Biblical prophets, including 
>> Christ, engaged in vitriolic criticism of the sinful nation Israel and 
>> its false leaders. No one considers them anti-Semitic.
>>
>> TWISTED DEFINITIONS OF "ANTI-SEMITISM"
>>
>> However, in its "Report on Global Anti-Semitism" and "Global 
>> Anti-Semitism Report," the U.S. State Department ignores the above 
>> perspectives. Here is a list of beliefs or activities the U.S. government 
>> now considers anti-Semitic:
>>
>> 1. Any assertion "that the Jewish community controls government, the 
>> media, international business and the financial world" is anti-Semitic.
>>
>> 2. "Strong anti-Israel sentiment" is anti-Semitic.
>>
>> 3. "Virulent criticism" of Israel's leaders, past or present, is 
>> anti-Semitic. According to the State Department, anti-Semitism occurs 
>> when a swastika is portrayed in a cartoon decrying the behavior of a past 
>> or present Zionist leader. Thus, a cartoon that includes a swastika to 
>> criticize Ariel Sharon's brutal 2002 invasion of the West Bank, raining 
>> "hell-fire" missiles on hapless Palestinian men, women and children, is 
>> anti-Semitic. Similarly, when the word "Zionazi" is used to describe 
>> Sharon's saturation bombing in Lebanon in 1982 (killing 17,500 innocent 
>> refugees), it is also "anti-Semitic."
>>
>> 4. Criticism of the Jewish religion or its religious leaders or 
>> literature (especially the Talmud and Kabbalah) is anti-Semitic.
>>
>> 5. Criticism of the U.S. government and Congress for being under undue 
>> influence by the Jewish-Zionist community (including AIPAC) is 
>> anti-Semitic.
>>
>> 6. Criticism of the Jewish-Zionist community for promoting globalism (the 
>> "New World Order") is anti-Semitic.
>>
>> 7. Blaming Jewish leaders and their followers for inciting the Roman 
>> crucifixion of Christ is anti-Semitic.
>>
>> 8. Diminishing the "six million" figure of Holocaust victims is 
>> anti-Semitic.
>>
>> 9. Calling Israel a "racist" state is anti-Semitic.
>>
>> 10. Asserting that there exists a "Zionist Conspiracy" is anti-Semitic.
>>
>> 11. Claiming that Jews and their leaders created the Bolshevik Revolution 
>> in Russia is anti-Semitic.
>>
>> 12. Making "derogatory statements about Jewish persons" is anti-Semitic.
>>
>> 13. Denying spiritually disobedient Jews the biblical right to re-occupy 
>> Palestine is anti-Semitic.
>>
>> 14. Alleging that Mossad was behind the 9/11 attack is anti-Semitic.
>>
>> ANTI-SEMITISM IS A "HATE CRIME"
>>
>> In the Global Anti-Semitism Report, State Department spokespersons 
>> Ambassador Edward O'Donnell and the head of the office of global 
>> anti-Semitism, Ambassador Michael B. Kozak, defend the State Department's 
>> definitions. O'Donnell's statement that he wants to "end all 
>> anti-Semitism and other hate crimes" reveals that he considers 
>> anti-Semitism a hate crime. Presumably, he would like such a "crime" to 
>> be punished.
>>
>> These State Department reports repeatedly equate "strong, anti-Israel 
>> sentiment" and criticism of matters Jewish with "hate." They give no 
>> recognition to the possibility that such criticism might be sincerely 
>> motivated not by hate but by moral indignation or even love for the 
>> Jewish people.
>>
>> The Report on Global Anti-Semitism repeatedly calls for passage, both 
>> nationally and internationally, of "hate crime" legislation. These laws, 
>> the brainchild of B'nai B'rith/ADL, also have as their ultimate goal 
>> making it a "hate crime" to criticize Jews, matters Jewish, or the state 
>> of Israel.
>>
>> The Report on Global Anti-Semitism reeks with B'nai B'rith/ADL logic, 
>> phraseology, and evidence of their incredible worldwide organizational 
>> and statistic-gathering capacities. It contains thirty-three pages of 
>> minute documentation of "anti-Semitic incidents" in fifty-eight countries 
>> of the world, documentation which only B'nai B'rith/ADL, with its offices 
>> in more than fifty countries, could compile or even be that vitally 
>> interested in. Without a doubt, as with hate laws, this Global 
>> Anti-Semitism Review Act is their creation.
>>
>> CRITICISM-FREE ZONE FOR JEWS
>>
>> Thus, the Department of Anti-Semitism, applauded and advised by B'nai 
>> B'rith/ADL, is working to create a worldwide "criticism-free zone" for 
>> Jews in the "New World Order" that is coming. This report ignores whether 
>> criticisms of matters Jewish are true. What must be defended are the 
>> sensitivities of the Jewish people! Consequently, relating such 
>> unflattering realities as the anti-Christian, anti-Gentile contents of 
>> the Talmud and Kabbalah, Jewish origins of bolshevism, Jewish dominance 
>> of Hollywood and the media, Jewish control of Congress through AIPAC, 
>> Zionist atrocities and abrasiveness in the Middle East is anti-Semitic. 
>> It is "hate." It does not matter that such facts can be easily and 
>> extensively documented, often from impeccable Jewish sources such as the 
>> Encyclopedia Judaica.
>>
>> All such anti-Semitism, this report says, is a "scourge," an "intolerable 
>> burden," which "for an increasingly interdependent worldmust be ended."
>>
>> On the other hand, according to the U.S. State Department, there does 
>> exist some possibility that "objective criticism" of Israel and its 
>> leaders can be tolerated - that is, just as long as such criticism does 
>> not "cross the line" and become "strong anti-Israel sentiment" and 
>> "virulent." Such criticism should not "demonize" Jews, Jewish religious 
>> or political leaders, or the state of Israel.
>>
>> However, what may be considered "virulence" or "demonization" by Zionists 
>> may be seen as nothing more than salty truth-telling by critics of 
>> Israel. Hypocritically, the State Department itself is not above 
>> "demonizing" strong critics of Israel in the most "virulent" terms as a 
>> "plague" and "scourge" on mankind!
>>
>> TURNING "ANTI-SEMITISM" INTO "DOMESTIC TERRORISM"
>>
>> The State Department's twisted definition of anti-Semitism provides 
>> exponential opportunities to persecute Bible-believing Christians, 
>> anti-war activists, Moslems, as well as publishers and broadcasters in 
>> the years ahead. In fact, by turning "strong" criticism of the 
>> American/Zionist coalition into "anti-Semitism and other hate crimes," 
>> the State Department opens the door to eventual characterization of those 
>> who criticize Israel as not only anti-Semites but also as "domestic 
>> terrorists."
>>
>> Here's how it can be done:
>>
>> Today, those who raise funds in America to support America's and Israel's 
>> terrorist enemies are arrested as "domestic terrorists." But what if 
>> articulate Americans provided something else, potentially even more 
>> valuable to Israel's enemies: "strong criticism" of Israel? Such could 
>> weaken Israel morally in the sight of the world, giving justification to 
>> the claims of her terrorist enemies. Should they also be punished?
>>
>> As the Second World War was beginning in 1939, Charles Lindberg was 
>> publicly critical of international Jews for inveigling America into a war 
>> to destroy Hitler. Lindberg believed that Hitler should be allowed to do 
>> what he wanted to do most, move east and destroy "Jewish Communism" in 
>> Russia.
>>
>> In 1944, 30 Americans, who agreed with Lindberg, were arrested for the 
>> crime of "sedition," weakening America's resolve in the fight against 
>> fascism. Later investigation under the Freedom of Information Act 
>> revealed that the ADL, attempting to equate criticism of international 
>> Jews with Nazism, had entirely created the FBI case.
>>
>> Records revealed that the ADL was "only warming up" by pursuing sedition 
>> convictions against 30 innocent Americans. Their ultimate ambition was to 
>> imprison prominent critics of evil Jewish leadership, especially Charles 
>> Lindberg. Fortunately, ADL's attempt to transform 30 critics of 
>> international Jews into "Nazis" failed when the judge died and the case 
>> was dissolved.
>>
>> Today, America and Israel are allies in the "war on terror." Tomorrow, 
>> especially if the war on terror intensifies and America and Israel 
>> cooperate even more closely, criticism of America's ally in the war on 
>> terrorism may be construed as "aiding and abetting the enemy." Such 
>> "strong criticism" or anti-Semitism may be seen as not only weakening 
>> Israel, but America itself.
>>
>> Turning millions of Americans into anti-Semites for criticizing Israel is 
>> thus a transition toward ADL's ultimate goal: making such persons 
>> "enemies of the war on terror," i.e., "domestic terrorists."
>>
>> They then can be prosecuted under Homeland Security laws.
>>
>> CANADA: ALREADY MAKING "ANTI-SEMITES" INTO "DOMESTIC TERRORISTS"
>>
>> In Canada, we are seeing exactly this happen. Ernst Zundel is a Holocaust 
>> revisionist who doubts that a full six million Jews were deliberately 
>> murdered by the Nazis, largely by gassing. He asserts that untold numbers 
>> of Jews in German internment camps, especially in the last years of the 
>> war, died not in gas chambers, but as a result of massive, 
>> well-documented typhus epidemics, which also killed countless Poles, 
>> Gypsies, Russians, etc. Yet in Canada, thanks to ADL/B'nai B'rith, it is 
>> a "hate crime" to lesson to any degree the six million figure of 
>> Holocaust dead, or that most of them died in gas chambers. Such 
>> diminishment is anti-Semitism, a "hate crime" punishable by harsh fines 
>> and imprisonment. Several years ago Zundel was deported from his home in 
>> Tennessee back to Canada to spend more than two years in solitary 
>> confinement in a Canadian prison. He was then deported back to his native 
>> Germany where he remains in prison.
>>
>> Under what charge have Canadian authorities been holding him?
>>
>> You guessed it. He is a "terrorist threat!"
>>
>> So it will be for millions of Americans tomorrow if ADL/B'nai B'rith have 
>> their way and the Department of Anti-Semitism's twisted definitions of 
>> anti-Semitism are allowed to stand.
>>
>> The Department of Global Anti-Semitism is informing the world who the 
>> "domestic terrorists" of tomorrow will be.
>>
>> They are you and I.
>>
>> WHAT CAN WE DO?
>>
>> We can do plenty!
>>
>> Call our members of Congress toll-free at 1-877-762-8762
>>
>> Call the U.S. State Department comment line at 1-202-647-4000
>>
>> Demand that all funding and authority for the development of the 
>> Department of Anti-Semitism be rescinded.
>>
>> Demand that Congressional hearings be held to re-formulate a workable, 
>> balanced definition of "anti-Semitism" - one that protects 
>> Bible-believing Christians, critics of Israel, and Moslems from 
>> persecution as "anti-Semites."
>>
>> Also, call into talk shows, especially large, syndicated ones.
>>
>> Since the threat of hate laws is "taboo" on most large shows, do not tell 
>> the talk show operator that you want to comment on that subject. If the 
>> topic of the day is even remotely related to the issue of free speech, 
>> terrorism, the Mid-East, etc., begin with those topics but quickly move 
>> the discussion to the threat of hate laws. Describe how free speech is 
>> lost in Canada; how eleven Christians were arrested under Pennsylvania's 
>> hate law; how the "Department of Anti-semitism" would make many Americans 
>> into anti-semites.
>>
>> Talk show hosts: For an interview with Rev. Ted Pike on the "Department 
>> of Anti-Semitism," call 503-631-3808.
>>
>> For many articles on "hate crimes" legislation and B'nai B'rith's role in 
>> creating it, visit www.truthtellers.org.
>>
>> For a gripping 80-minute video documentary by Ted Pike, "Hate Laws: 
>> Making Criminals of Christians," at $24.90 postpaid, call 503-631-3808, 
>> order online, or write
>>
>> National Prayer Network, P.O. Box 828, Clackamas, OR 97015
>> http://www.rense.com/general67/globa.htm
>>
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