The Nizkor Project: Remembering the Holocaust (Shoah)

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In a previous article, dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren) says:

>What I wrote is that the SS didn't bother to write down the names
>of people who were going to be gassed a few minutes later. This
>would be a silly waste of time and they didn't bother with it.
>
>Of course, these people weren't given serial numbers either.
>
>Also, does the 100,000 figure (for registered prisoners) cover
>the whole 1940-5 period? I recall reading that it doesn't.
>
>If anything like 100,000 people would have died in the camp 
>during its 5 years of operation, there would be no need to 
>build 5 crematoriums with 52 cremation furnaces. One crematorium
>would be enough.

	You know what?  Who gives a fuck?  In 20 years, there won't be a
survivor left alive.  Then where will you be?  Everyone will have
forgotten, noone will care.  Least of all me.  In 50 years, fascism will
be alive and well again.  Why?  Because the lessons of history are to be
learned again and again, and again...

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From: al998@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Jason Smith)
Subject: Re: The Holocaust will NOT be forgotten.
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In a previous article, al998@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Jason Smith) says:

>
>In a previous article, kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay) says:
>
>>[Followups to alt.revisionism]
>>
>>In article , Jason Smith reveals his
>>true nature..
>
>	Sure, whatever.  Still proselytizing and propagandising, McVay? 
>Spewing forth rhetoric based on intangibles and contextless assumptions
>again?  Know what?  you're still a pompous, pretentious ass McVay.  My
>true nature?  It was never denied.  Just because I'm not activey involved
>in 'the movement' anymore, doesn't mean my politics have changed one iota. 
>
>>>	You know what?  Who gives a fuck?  In 20 years, there won't be a
>>>survivor left alive.  Then where will you be?  Everyone will have
>>>forgotten, noone will care.  Least of all me.  In 50 years, fascism will
>>>be alive and well again.  Why?  Because the lessons of history are to be
>>>learned again and again, and again...
>>
>>Scratch the surface a tad, and the real Mr. Smith appears. Funny how
>>that happens so often in this newsgroup.
>
>	Right.  See above.
>
>>No, Mr. Smith, people will not have forgotten. Thanks to you, and
>>your companions in denial, the world will _never_ forget.
>
>	People will forget.  Did anyone remember all the previous Jewish
>pogroms, and act accordingly when Hitler came to power?  Nope.  Nobody
>gave a shit.  The US wouldn't even accept Jewish refugees.  Pogroms of
>this sort happen again, and again, and are not restricted to Jews.  will
>anyone remember Rwanda in 20 years?  Nope.  Will anyone remember Bosnia? 
>Nope.  How about the Armenians?  People have already forgotten about them.
> Like I said, which was simply this: the lessons of history are to be
>learned again and again and again.  Nobody ever learns from history.  I
>still don't give a fuck about the holocaust.  Just like I don't give a
>fuck about Bosnia.  Nor do I give a fuck about Rwanda, or Haiti, or
>Somalia, or Ethiopia, or any other place in the world.  If it doesn't
>affect me, I'm quite content to live my life not giving a shit.  When it
>affects me, then I'll act accordingly.  If there's anything I can't stand,
>it's liberal internationalists crying and sobbing about the fate of every
>country in the world.  We've got enough problems here, why do we need to
>be the world's saviours?  Fuck 'em.  Let's be our own saviours, and fix
>our own problems before we become the world's good guys.  'Nuff said.
>
>	Fuck you, McVey.
>
>Jason
>
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>

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From: al998@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Jason Smith)
>...When it
>affects me, then I'll act accordingly.  If there's anything I can't stand,
>it's liberal internationalists crying and sobbing about the fate of every
>country in the world.  We've got enough problems here, why do we need to
>be the world's saviours?  Fuck 'em.  Let's be our own saviours, and fix
>our own problems before we become the world's good guys.  'Nuff said.

But if your point is that people are only meat then why aren't you
just meat? What magic do you expect to suddenly save you that won't
save them? Yourself? Good luck. First you'd have to convince enough
folks to overcome the butchers that you're not just two-legged meat.
That might be difficult after espousing that philosophy in regards to
others.

You don't strike me as the sort of person who controls police and
armies and so forth, are you sure you're acting in your own best
interest when saying ``Fuck 'em''? Or do you just believe everyone
will know you meant *them* and not *you* when it suits them to run
herd over you?

It took the Catholic Church almost 1,000 years just to convince landed
royalty that killing or similar of their feudal subjects wasn't just
their own business and perhaps there was some larger issue involved
regarding human rights (the Magna Carta and all that.)

The lords scoffed and told them to mind their own business, at least
as long as they could get away with it. If they want to kill their
peasants or take away their property or sell their children etc what
business is it of anyone else's? Busy bodies! And of course by then
the peasants hadn't really thought life could be any other way even if
it did bother them to be treated like chattel. But hey, everyone was
treated like chattel (other than the lords), it was the natural way of
things. Whose right was it to complain? Certainly examples abounded to
justify the status quo.

But you believe you are different and your rights as a human being
will be resurrected when you decide you need them, no matter how broad
and widely acceptable doing otherwise becomes? How interesting. Not
likely according to history, but interesting.

One of the most dangerous errors of history is taking one's position
for granted, and expecting others will also.

If they can kill Jews (or whatever) when it pleases them, they can
kill you. It's ceased to be an issue, they've taken the power. And if
they tell you otherwise, don't believe them. The Nazis killed their
own as easily as they killed those they vilified. Any value to human
life had simply ceased to be a major issue, and they had come to
believe that the decision was simply theirs.

One day it was their best judgement to kill jews, or gypsies or
whatever. Another day it was their best judgement to kill you. The
underlying protest had already ceased to exist, and they fooled "you"
into allowing that by claiming they only meant "them". And they knew
just what they were doing. Go look at the correlation of the Nazi
hierarchy with those of ruling class blood. Fooled the dumb peasants
again!


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In a previous article, bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein) says:

>But if your point is that people are only meat then why aren't you
>just meat? What magic do you expect to suddenly save you that won't
>save them? Yourself? Good luck. First you'd have to convince enough
>folks to overcome the butchers that you're not just two-legged meat.
>That might be difficult after espousing that philosophy in regards to
>others.

	But I am just meat.  Insignificant in the grand scheme of things,
as are you.

>You don't strike me as the sort of person who controls police and
>armies and so forth, are you sure you're acting in your own best
>interest when saying ``Fuck 'em''? Or do you just believe everyone
>will know you meant *them* and not *you* when it suits them to run
>herd over you?
>
>It took the Catholic Church almost 1,000 years just to convince landed
>royalty that killing or similar of their feudal subjects wasn't just
>their own business and perhaps there was some larger issue involved
>regarding human rights (the Magna Carta and all that.)
>
>The lords scoffed and told them to mind their own business, at least
>as long as they could get away with it. If they want to kill their
>peasants or take away their property or sell their children etc what
>business is it of anyone else's? Busy bodies! And of course by then
>the peasants hadn't really thought life could be any other way even if
>it did bother them to be treated like chattel. But hey, everyone was
>treated like chattel (other than the lords), it was the natural way of
>things. Whose right was it to complain? Certainly examples abounded to
>justify the status quo.

	The Lords were well within their rights, just as the peasants
would have been justified to come to armed rebellion, or better yet, a
simple assassination of the Lord in question.  It's even easier nowadays,
what with long-range weapons, even rifles, and all.

>But you believe you are different and your rights as a human being
>will be resurrected when you decide you need them, no matter how broad
>and widely acceptable doing otherwise becomes? How interesting. Not
>likely according to history, but interesting.

	I hardly believe I am different, nor do I believe rights are
inherent.  They are an artificial human construct.  However, when the Law
and the system insists that everyone has rights, then, by that logic so do
I.  In this case, I will use the system to my advantage, as does every
special interest group and individual in the known world.

>One of the most dangerous errors of history is taking one's position
>for granted, and expecting others will also.
>
>If they can kill Jews (or whatever) when it pleases them, they can
>kill you. It's ceased to be an issue, they've taken the power. And if
>they tell you otherwise, don't believe them. The Nazis killed their
>own as easily as they killed those they vilified. Any value to human
>life had simply ceased to be a major issue, and they had come to
>believe that the decision was simply theirs.
>
>One day it was their best judgement to kill jews, or gypsies or
>whatever. Another day it was their best judgement to kill you. The
>underlying protest had already ceased to exist, and they fooled "you"
>into allowing that by claiming they only meant "them". And they knew
>just what they were doing. Go look at the correlation of the Nazi
>hierarchy with those of ruling class blood. Fooled the dumb peasants
>again!

	And when it happens, I will fight to the best of my ability.  If I
die, I die.  I'm nothing more than atoms at any rate, and will be recycled
due to conservation of energy and matter.  Some may think I have a callous
disregard for life, including my own, and to an extent this is true, but
such pogroms, death, life, hardship, and all the things which come with
being a sentient being, or indeed, an animal, better yet: a living
organism, are part of our existence.  Do lambs whine when killed by
wolves?  Nope.  Does algae band together and protest its lot in life when
digested by various other aquatic creatures?  No.  We are all just humans,
and subject to the same laws and injustices of nature.  Quit whining and
get on with life.  You're no more or no less important than anyone else. 
You too will die, eventually.  Who will remember you?  Presumably fewer
people than will remember the holocaust, but that too will fade.  My only
problem with the holocaust as it stands is its relative importance in
society today.  It has become larger than life, when, historically
speaking, there have been slaughters just as serious, not to mention that
they happen again and again.  How about the American Indians?  They don't
take up nearly as much space in contemporary life as the holocaust. 
Bosnia?  For now, it's important.  In 50 years, it will be important to
only those who lived through it and their children, much like the
holocaust.  Let's hope they don't make as big a deal about it, blowing it
out of all proportion historically.  Perhaps the holocaust is so prominent
in our lives because of its relative proximity, historically speaking. 
Perhaps it is because of the cultural liens which bind the Jewish
community, and their resolve to make sure *nobody* ever forgets.  This, in
itself, is to be admired.  I only wish whites had the same sense of
community, considering Jews (it being a religion, remember?) come from
various ethnic backgrounds.  Nobody whines about the Crusades anymore. 
What about Stalin's slaughters?  Seemingly forgotten.  How about the
sacking of Rome?  I'll bet lots of people were needlessly killed there
too.  Seems people forgot that lesson too.  Wars keep erupting, even after
we keep telling ourselves "we learn from history." Guess what?  The memory
of the masses is very short-term.  They *will* forget.  It may not be Jews
next time.  It may very well even be me.  I will not go placidly to my
fate, but until such time, what happens elsewhere in the world, or what
happened in the past, is of little consequence to my existence, and is
even less relevant to the conversation on alt.skinheads (where this was
cross-posted).  Even the anti-racist skins there don't care for this.  Are
they anti-Jewish too? 

	As an aside, I know this post is somewhat convoluted, but it's
almost 3am, and I just got off work.  'Nuff said.

Jason
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From: bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein)
Subject: Re: The Holocaust will NOT be forgotten.
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From: al998@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Jason Smith)
>In a previous article, bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein) says:
>
>>But if your point is that people are only meat then why aren't you
>>just meat? What magic do you expect to suddenly save you that won't
>>save them? Yourself? Good luck. First you'd have to convince enough
>>folks to overcome the butchers that you're not just two-legged meat.
>>That might be difficult after espousing that philosophy in regards to
>>others.
>
>	But I am just meat.  Insignificant in the grand scheme of things,
>as are you.

Well, I suppose we could say end of discussion right there since I
don't like to think of myself as just meat. You're of course free to
donate your services at any butcher shop of your own choosing.

>	The Lords were well within their rights, just as the peasants
>would have been justified to come to armed rebellion, or better yet, a
>simple assassination of the Lord in question.  It's even easier nowadays,
>what with long-range weapons, even rifles, and all.

Yeah but sez who? For any of that to work there has to be a meeting of
the minds, some common thinking about what's right and what's wrong.

People don't just wake up one day and say hey! I just realized...I'm
NOT chattel! I'm a human being!

It's the sort of line worthy of a Monty Python historical comedy. I
think Mel Brooks did use some lines like that in his History of the
World Part II, the section about the French Revolution ("but weeee are
jooost peasants! all weee have are theeese stooopid accents, not even
a fronch longuage!"), same sort of thing, absurd enough to be used in
comedy.

You seem to be saying that if they need some philosophical basis, if
they have to go to some effort to formulate an ideology then they're
wasting their time. Actually, I'm not sure what you're saying other
than some rather cynical comments.

>>But you believe you are different and your rights as a human being
>>will be resurrected when you decide you need them, no matter how broad
>>and widely acceptable doing otherwise becomes? How interesting. Not
>>likely according to history, but interesting.
>
>	I hardly believe I am different, nor do I believe rights are
>inherent.  They are an artificial human construct.  However, when the Law
>and the system insists that everyone has rights, then, by that logic so do
>I.

But you were tossing out those rights and saying it's not important,
or perhaps that it's only important as it benefits you. But it doesn't
work that way, not even slightly. You are likely to only get those
rights which those around you get. If you say that it's ok to kill
people (whatever) for frivolous reasons then you necessarily say it's
ok to kill you for frivolous reasons.

You can't really beat that equation, no one ever has, not in the
large.

>>One day it was their best judgement to kill jews, or gypsies or
>>whatever. Another day it was their best judgement to kill you. The
>>underlying protest had already ceased to exist, and they fooled "you"
>>into allowing that by claiming they only meant "them". And they knew
>>just what they were doing. Go look at the correlation of the Nazi
>>hierarchy with those of ruling class blood. Fooled the dumb peasants
>>again!

>	And when it happens, I will fight to the best of my ability.

Well, that's a rather dramatic statement but don't you think perhaps
your needs would be better served, just a little, by avoiding that
apocolyptic situation rather than just planning on what to do should
it come (even hastening it, as you seem prone to be doing by
trivializing human rights as a general concept)?

>You're no more or no less important than anyone else. 

I'll take that, I just won't take the ``you're less importnat than
anyone else'' part alone.

>My only
>problem with the holocaust as it stands is its relative importance in
>society today.  It has become larger than life, when, historically
>speaking, there have been slaughters just as serious, not to mention that
>they happen again and again.  How about the American Indians?

How about them?

Trivializing mass genocide certainly won't help their place in
history. It certainly doesn't hurt gaining more recognition for their
plight to at least generally agree that this SORT of thing is wrong.
Otherwise what's the point? Either it's important, in general, or it's
not.

>Bosnia?  For now, it's important.

Perhaps because we have a common understanding that such wanton
killing is distressing.

I think (ok you're going to hate this) your problem is that you've
lived in a world where you can take this just about for
granted. Perhaps if you lived in a world where life was cheap you'd
realize that you cannot take such things for granted.

Unfortunately it seems that some people have to be exposed to the
horror before they'll realize they ever had something worth defending.

They just assume the water will run from the tap, somehow they'll find
food and a place to keep their head dry and warm enough, etc, and
speak of anything else in broad and philosophic terms. Maybe if you
went onto the street and some rich/powerful/official sort of person
killed the friend you were with and when you shouted hey! that's
awful!  someone do something! and everyone said shut up you'll just
get into more trouble he can do what he likes, live with it, maybe
then you'd say wait something is broken here, how can we have devolved
to this point as human beings? how can this be?

That's how life has been for a lot of people, both past and present,
the loud cackling laughter of someone who knows you can't do a thing
about their cruelty.

Maybe that kind of thing doesn't piss you off, it pisses me off.

>Perhaps the holocaust is so prominent
>in our lives because of its relative proximity, historically speaking. 

Well, I think the real point is that it disturbs people in our society
because those who perpetrated it, those who perhaps stood by when they
might have done something (I don't mean everyone but certainly some
such exist), etc were nearly indistinguishable from "us", us white
european types in general.

Some revisionists here try to make some point about this all
demonizing Germans.

They could not be further from the truth!

The disturbing thing about the Holocaust is how it demonizes all of us
(white european types anyhow), can an Englishman or a Frenchman or an
American say with certainty he is so different from a German (&c) that
such a thing is just unthinkable for him and his neighbors?

Sure, when a bunch of Hutus and Tutsis in Rwanda kill each other no
problem, we're all comfortable, we act distressed, wag our fingers,
cluck our tongues, remind each other of their "hideous third world
conditions" etc. In a not too distant past we'd take comfort in the
simple fact that they're not Christians so don't know any better, etc.

Can't do that in the case of WWII or the Holocaust specifically.

Around 100M people died, just like you and me, killed by people just
like you and me.

Worse, about 10M people were just hauled off to camps and killed
factory-style, using some of the best and most modern technology
so-called Western Civilization had to offer at the time. Mass produced
poison gas pellets, diesel engines (which in 1940 were about in the
same league modern-wise as high-powered PC's are today), etc.

Ok, I'm more civilized, you're more civilized, we wouldn't do that...

How do you know that? Just an article of faith? How do you know your
neighbor won't do that? You don't, you don't know anything. Worse,
this isn't some parlor game, you DO know one thing: It's happened
before, and by and to people a *lot* like yourself.

Small comfort there.


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In a previous article, doyal@eskimo.com (Thomas Doyal) says:


	Mr. McVay,

	It would seem I'm not the only one to be in the media of late for
our respective efforts on the Net.  Funny thing is, I've gotten much more
and wider coverage.  Keep trying, though.  And we won't mention your
obvious financial and social deficiencies...  It explains a few things
about you. 

Jason Smith
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In a previous article, bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein) says:


	Well, Mr. Shein,

	In that whole post, you *did* strike on a few valid points.  The
most interesting one was that I was cynical.  Indeed, I am.  I'm past
caring.  Throughout history, people have been slaughtered and attacked for
no reason, or for reasons which are only rationalistations of
irrationality.  I, personally, have been close to death in an attack on my
being.  Such things matter not a whit to me.  If one observes history, one
will note that such things happen again and again.  One can "remember" all
one wants, the fact remains, sooner or later, it will reoccur.  Fine. 
That's life.  I know it sounds complacent, but at this juncture, not much
affects me.  Call it desensitisation, I suppose.  One sees so much
suffering, hears about so much killing, past and present, and one just
loses interest.  It's probably not good, but then again, what can be done,
ultimately?  You can whine, you can remember, you can proselytize, but
nothing will change.  Someone may even take your words and your efforts,
twist them, and use them to kill for personal gain.  It's happened before.
 Mr.  Marx's intentions were wholly good, I'm sure, but his legacy is
nothing short of horrific.  I'm sorry, but I just can't bring myself to
feel sorry for people whom I do not (or did not) know, and who have no
relation to me, nor any bearing on my existence.  It *is* deplorable, but
it isn't my fault.  No passing the buck intended, here...

Jason
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From: al998@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Jason Smith)
>One sees so much
>suffering, hears about so much killing, past and present, and one just
>loses interest.  It's probably not good, but then again, what can be done,
>ultimately?  You can whine, you can remember, you can proselytize, but
>nothing will change.

You're starting to sound like Ecclesiastes!

But here's something perhaps worth chewing on:

Some day somebody may ask you to point a gun, or perhaps you will feel
you need to. The issues may not be terribly immediate, they may well
be abstract (at least up to the last moment.) And to not march may be
a major decision also, just as potentially life-changing (prison etc.)

At that moment you will have to make up your mind. To do that you will
have to have some thoughts on the subject. You probably won't get the
answer right if you first consider the matter right there and then.

So you will need to consider history, great issues, the value of human
life, the value of your life, possible futures.

I don't think your view will allow for that, I think you're likely to
get it wrong. As has been shown in the past, getting it wrong can be a
terrible, terrible mistake. And people who claim they didn't care
beforehand often find they do when the reality comes visiting.

Enuf said.


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Subject: Re: The Holocaust will NOT be forgotten.
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In a previous article, stara@fas.harvard.edu (Felix Vagabond) says:

>
>  Jason I'm to hear this from you, and especially when you alluded to the 
>fact what happened to you. Remember it's you and I who are now on this palnt
>and we ought to make it a better place for us and for our childern and theirs 
>as well.  Suffering has no logic no reason at all, it may serve as a reminder
>that one's suffering ought not be an other pleasure. Through suffering 
>one might learn what is it like to have been in some one's else 
>shoes(place). 
>Here you have really open a great window of opportunity to bring about an 
>hoest discussion where we can express our feeling and exchange our views 
>on how we view each other.
> Be well.

	I know.  I really stuck my neck out this time.  Actually, I think
I put my foot in it too.  My point was simply this: As a member of a
relatively safe society, far away from the holocaust and other holocausts
past and present, I am highly insulated from the sufferings of people I
don't (or didn't) know, and as such, am not affected by their deaths and
suffering.  One hears of so much in this society, it is easy to overlook
the suffering of others, and much like many, many people in this country
(even this continent), I am insulated and quite uncaring about such
things, as long as it doesn't affect my little microcosm of the universe. 
"Don't fuck with me, I won't fuck with you" has always been my motto,
despite what you may otherwise think of me.

Jason

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In a previous article, dmittleman@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu (Daniel Mittleman) says:

>    Jason functions from some very different premises than I do, but I have
>    always found him to be honest and forthright with his words on the net. 
>    His conclusions follow logically from his premises and he stays true to
>    them.  I have a lot more respect for Jason than whomever it was who
>    wrote the above comment.
>
>    And if you are going to call someone else a moron, at least spell it
>    right.  It adds to the credibility of the charge.

	Thank you.  Did you ever think we'd be standing on the same
ground?  :)  I was going to respond, but it was obvious flamebait from a
sixth grader with no spellchecker, so I ignored it.  This is actually one
of his better ones...

Jason

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