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In a previous article, jumpstarts@aol.com (Jumpstarts) says:

>In article <31dnts$8ha@search01.news.aol.com>, skapunk@aol.com (Ska Punk)
>writes:
>
>stuff.
>
>So you are a Ska, Punk, SHARP skin?  Please explain.
>
>I expect that Jason will deal with the rest of your brilliant post.

	Actually, I wasn't even going to bother.  You can have the
honours... ;)

Jason

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In a previous article, oiskin@aol.com (OI SKIN) says:

>In article , al998@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
>(Jason Smith) writes:
>
>jason...when you say skinhead is "in your blood" are you referring to
>race? and i think its pretty stupid to say that skinhead is not in your
>head...how the fuck can you be a skinhead if you don't think about it?
>i'll say this much, if it isn't in your head that you like like to crack
>heads and drink beer than you aint a skin.i leave it at that.

	Who was it that said you were a latent fuck?

	I think it's pretty obvious to most people that it isn't in your
head, but in your blood, and no, I don't mean race by that.  I mean it's
in your heart, your soul.  It ain't in your head, 'cause just because some
people *think* they're skins, doesn't make it so.  Lots of people have
crops.  Lots of people wear boots.  Lots of people drink beer and crack
heads.  Lots of people are not skins.  I stand by my statement, it's in
your blood...

Jason

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In a previous article, oiskin@aol.com (OI SKIN) says:

>In article <31bep1$sgk@sefl.satelnet.org>, seanegan@satelnet.org (Sean
>Finnegan) writes:
>
>oi! oi! mate.....i agree with you 100%. all these do-gooders should just
>clear out of here.this is alt.skinheads not alt.aginghippiesoncrack....its
>between us and the boneheads!
>
>
>bootboi! aka joe hawkins aka e.john Brice 

	Hmmm... from what I've read of the Joe Hawkins' series, Joe was a
latent racist too...

Jason

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>>prosecute the attacker to the fullest extent of the law.
>>
>>Jason
>
>Indeed. But has the threat of prosecution ever stopped you from adjusting 
>someones attitude? Didn't think so. Me either. 

	My point exactly...  And I also have the right to conceal my
actions from the forces of law and justice, in order to protect the
sanctity of my being.  Should I get caught, I have the right to legal
counsel, paid for by my victim's taxes.  Should I be found guilty, I
have the right to state accomodations, paid for again by my victim's
taxes, all for a T-shirt.  Wonderful system, no?

	And for the humour impaired: smile...

Jason

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In a previous article, laewell@iastate.edu (Lars A Ewell) says:

>
>To Whom it May Concern,
>
>	I was curious about how some of the outspoken
>posters in this group feel about the situation in
>Rwanda.  Is this merely survival of the fittest?  Is
>it in a sense good that these people of an inferior
>race (of which I happen to be a member) are 
>suffering/dying?  I would suppose that since these
>people are not white that giving aid to this
>country would be contrary to the desire of most of
>the racist/racialist skins.  Is this true?
>
>	Please post your feelings about this subject
>if you feel so inclined.

	I'm not even going to touch this one...

Jason

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Subject: Re: Who is "WHITE?"
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In a previous article, aelebouthill@csupomona.edu () says:

>Wrong. Nationalism and centralism have nothing whatsoever to do with each
>other. Nationalism is a socio-ethnic movement which seeks to unify and
>liberate a people. Even your expressions about "People of my own heritage
>(Northern European)..." are nationalistic.

	Hmmm... I get the impression Mr. Bowery is confusing ethnic
Nationalism with economic nationalism.  One does not necessarily engender
the other.  One can have a racially homogenous, ethnically nationalistic
state with socialist economic and social policy, although I see
nationalist economics as viable, in that they return profit to the state,
and thus to the workers and people.

> [Arthur bad-tripping on Jim...]

	Uh, Art, go easy a bit.  Jim is, in principle, on our 'side...'
I don't particularly agree with his politics or his brand of nationalism
either, but I do see him as a potential ally.  He is a seperatist
nationalist at heart...

Jason

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In a previous article, dbassett@terapin.com (Don Bassett) says:

>     Any person who thinks there is going to be a big race war in the United
>States is ignorrant.

	That's ignorant, dupe.

>
>     There is no way that any neo-nazi or any supremacist group could muster
>enough military force to defeat the military of the United states. These
>people would have to have huge amounts of men, artillery, tanks, APCs,
>aircraft, survailance satillites, ships and submarines. It is unthinkable.
>The only way they would have a slim chance would be if every white person in
>the military joined them. If that happened the 30-40% of the military that
>is made of minoriteis would be gone. But, that will never happen because
>there will never be enough of those neo-nazis to split from the military.
>The best these "white supremacy" groups could do is get 100000 nuts with
>small arms. I can see it now hillbillies taking on M-1A Abrams main battle
>tanks with AK-47s. They would be totaly crushed just like Hitler was in WW2.
>That brings another thing to mind. If Hitler was so proud of his race and
>thought it supreme why did he become allies with Japan? Japaneese don't look
>anything like Hitlers vision of the perfect people. I guess we will never
>know the answer to that one.

	Ever see "Red Dawn?"

	Now, A) "Race War" implies just that, a war between races, not the
military.  Of course, there would be military intervention, all in the
name of peacemaking, but the main combatants would not be military in
nature.  Evens out the odds a bit, now doesn't it?  Considering that the
White supremacists may not even start the war (Farrakhan?), it would be
difficult for the military to determine the aggressor, and it would be
civil unrest, rather than an actual war.  As for the Japanese, you fool,
it was a tactical and strategic alliance, nothing more.  It actually cost
Germany dearly, in the long run.

>    This whole race thing is stupid. Every white person on this planet has a
>black ancestor. Wether this ancestor lived 20,000 years ago or 400 years ago
>doesn't matter. Genetic tests have proved this absolutly true. You can tell
>the whites that have the most black genes by their black and brown hair and/or brown
>eyes. In the USA it is estimated that as much as 40% of white Aericans have
>some black or American indian blood. There was so much interbreeding between the
>white race and black race during slavery times, that it is nearly impossible
>to say someone is totaly white.

	Your assumptions are rather ridiculous.  First you propose that
every White person has Black ancestors, then the figure becomes 40%. 
Which is it?  Second, not everyone was a slave owner, and not every White
person has a heritage in America that extends to slavery days.  Many, many
came after.  As for brown hair and/or brown eyes, my hair is blond, and my
eyes blue.  Doesn't that just blow you away?!

>   All races in the US have countributed to building it. Anyone who pays
>taxes owns a peice of the US. I pay my taxes and nobody is going to kick me
>out of this country. If you try I'll but some buckshot in your ass.

	Not if I put some in your skull first.

	Now people, I'm not regressing, or anything, but stupid people
annoy me.  Hear that Joanna?

Jason

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In a previous article, steph@wimsey.com (Stephanie Smith) says:

>Hate to break it to you, but this song is by Spirit of the West, a
>Vancouver-based folk-rock group with particularly progressive politics:
>anti-racist, anti-fascist, gay-positive (their lead singer holds Pride
>Rings, a gay and lesbian liberation symbol, in their second-to-last
>video). 

	Yeah!  That's the band!  I hate to shit in your Twinkies, but I
don't particularly care what a band's politics are, if it's a good tune,
it's a good tune.  Whether they're a Vancouver folk-rock group or not, the
song is still Celtic in flavour (as may be evidenced by the
self-identifying label _"folk rock"_).  Just because I like their music
doesn't mean I agree with their politics, and I would never buy an album
of theirs.  Bootlegging's cheaper, and it doesn't support the band and its
causes.  I listen to lots of things that are politically opposed to my
ideology.  Pantera, for one, is possibly my favorite thrash band, and they
are extremely anti-racist.  I also like the blues.  Hmmm...  I listen to
Metallica too, on ocassion.  More anti-racists.  I even listen to The
Cure, Suicidal Tendencies, the Exploited, Corrosion of Conformity, and a
slew of other bands and types of music.  I don't know of too many
mainstream bands that are avowedly racist, but I like many of them anyway.
 Come to think of it, I don't know too many 'alternative', or
'underground,' or 'indie' bands that are avowedly racist either.  Most Oi!
isn't political.  I like it anyways.  What was your point?

>If they served our Mr. Smith a drink they'd probably piss in it first.

	Guess what... I wouldn't be drinkin' with 'em...

>Stephanie Smith -------------------------- steph@wimsey.com

Jason Smith
"I got somethin' to say, I killed your baby today..."

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In a previous article, jumpstarts@aol.com (Jumpstarts) says:

>In article , al998@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
>(Jason Smith) writes:
>
>Stuff.
>1. I hope this isn't a reaction to something I posted a while back, Iwas
>being sarcastic.

	Uh... you posted something in this thread?  I was reacting to the
first post.

>2. Poster #1: Congratulations, you know a lot about millitary hardware, I
>bet you read SOF.

	Any idiot can reel of hardware names.  In Canada, just put a "C"
in front of any number, and you're sure to come up with some piece of
military equipment... :)

 >3.Poster #2: The computers at NORAD are interlinked through their own
>trunk lines, you can't hack in.  Its physically impossible.  Thats why
>they call it fiction.  Go watch Wargames again.

	That's right.  Revenue Canada uses the same system.  There are no
outside lines on which access can be gained.  You have to be in the
building, using a Revenue Canada computer to gain access.

 >4.Actually, Jason, that was pretty mild.

	What was, exactly?

>How do these people operate computers?,

	Beats me.  Probably read about it in SOF... ;)

Jason

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In a previous article, jumpstarts@aol.com (Jumpstarts) says:

>In article , al998@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
>(Jason Smith) writes:
>
>Stuff.
>
>That was my first post to this particular thread, but the only place I can
>recall seeing the term "Race War" on this group was in a flame I posted a
>while back.  Granted, I just ignore a lot of the obviously political
>subjects, but it doesn't seem to come up too often.  I was just afraid
>that it was me who got this moron started.  What was pretty mild was your
>response to this "short bus" post, re. your closing comments regarding
>political posts and being annoyed with stupid people.

	Ah... ok.  I don't think it was you who got him started.  He
seemed slightly unbalanced to begin with.  We regularly get our share of
these quads.  It seems every week, we have to get two or three "you suck"
posts in this group.  Everytime some git discovers this group, he feels it
his civic duty to defend and uphold the rights of others by telling us we
suck.  As for my mild response, I guess I'm just going soft in my old
age... :-)

Jason
"Fuck you and your conscience..."

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In a previous article, chuck673@aol.com (Chuck673) says:

>In article , al998@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
>(Jason Smith) writes:
>
>Canada was occupied by Eskimos and Indians. It was always there never
>founded. 

	This was posted over two months ago, you're a little late.  Get
with the program.

	And yes, this country as it is was founded by the White man, as
those who inhabited it at the time most certainly did not develop it as we
have, nor did they establish government as we did, nor did they build
roads, buildings, airports, etc... getting the picture?

	End Of Thread.

Jason

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	Just as the good ol' boy asked, here's his post...  Good ta see ya!
-------------------------------------------------------------

Jason, 
	The posting set-up here is knackered or something. Can you do me a 
favour and post it for me...
Cheers

Pitt.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Salutations...

Just came up to visit a few mates an' thought ah'd call in on me ole
muckers on the net (not that I expect many are left now...).

There doesn't appear to be any talk of Oi at the moment, so I'll spill
my shopping bag over the floor so to speak...

  Has anyone 'eard the last album by 'Paul Burnley and the Fourth Reich'?
  (A Nation Reborn) - Bleeding 'mazing. Damn good Oi.
'Ragga'...   I'm Caucasian, not an Asian...
           Laugh? I nearly shat!
  And what about 'Battle Zone' (Nowhere To Hide). Totally crushing!
Vulgar Thug-Rock if it ever existed! Oi! Oi! Oi!
  They both get the Pitt seal of approval. I don't care if they're racist,
nationalist or whatever - It's cool music and I don't give a flying XXXX
what the politically correct side of this group think. My music taste
doesn't affect my politics, or is that apolitics? Answers on a postcard tocept
'Rhetoric questions inc...'

  Does anyone know anything about 'Case'? I can't find anything by them except
on compilations where I've got the rest of the tracks anyway. Let me know...


  Well done to the USA on staging the best World Cup Finals ever, and
XXXX off to all the teams that played shite. Just show repeats of thee finish
1966 World Cup in future please...

  By the way, I'm planning to celebrate the new academic year (and the finish
of my Union ban) by guzzling several barrels of Guinness in October. Anyone
in the Midlands at this time is cordially invited to partake of my hospitality
and join me. Just bring yer own beer ya spawny gets!

  Oh yeah! I read your post on Oirish drinking songs Jason, and it got me
thinking (unlikely as it may seem!). There's a really cool pub in Wembley,
sells the best damn Guinness in England, and they have an Irish folk band
who just sit down and play every now and then. Totally amazing atmosphere!
Really gets everyone jigging around... regular cult heroes! Hahaha!

  Ahm missing Madness at Finsbury Park today. Damn and they said it would be
their last gig ever... Yeah right guys! See ya at Xmas... Wembley???          !

Anyway, I'm still alive, so until you all grow long hair and smoke dope...
...Oi for England.

Keep yer boots laced tight and yer hair cut short...

Look after yourselves...

Pitt.

"The Bulldog Breed"

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In a previous article, ad792@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Eric Blace) says:

>
>
>In a previous article, bruders@aol.com (BRUDERS) says:
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>>In article , jabowery@netcom.com (Jim
>>Bowery) writes: >
> Jesus, where do these people get their ideas
>from.....Next, it is going to be the Jews who sent the meteorites crashing
>into Jepiter, and the Jews that cause Tornadoes and the Jews who 
>won't allow  AM radio broadcast in Sterio.

	You mean the tornadoe which destroyed my neighbouring town of
Aylmer was the fault of the Jews?!?!  Gas 'em!!!!

>Jason, we don't agree on many things, but set this asshole straight. 

	Do you think it's really worth it?  Despite the claims that
Identity is not a religion, they're as fanatical as the fundamentalists
and evangelists, at least in my experience (which is a key part of that
phrase).  I don't look for fairy-tale justification from the Bible, I try
to deal with economic, social, and cultural facts. 

>
>If I go to a corner store and buy a pack of smokes from a white man and
>pay $3.25 and go to another store that is run by a Jew, and pay only
>$2.90, are the Jews charging the white man more that his Jewish friend?
>
>Hate who you want, but get your facts right.

	But you don't understand!  The Jew, while he is a money-grubbing
leech, will sell cigs cheaper, make less profit, but it is all a part of
a conspiracy to give the Gentiles lung cancer...  

>Maybe there should be a mental capabitlity test before people are allowed
>to log on.  (and yes I would pass it)
>
>Wow, but beer and Sunday afternoons bring out the flame in me

	I'll say!
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In a previous article, skapunk@aol.com (Ska Punk) says:

>In article <321hv8$pid@search01.news.aol.com>, bruders@aol.com (BRUDERS)
>writes:
>
>Did you ever think about becoming a comedian.  I couldn't stop laughing. 
>If you are a "skinhead," then you are in a stolen culture, pal.  Blacks
>were skinheads in Jamaica in the sixties.  This means that there would be
>no skinheads if it wasn't for jews importing them into America.  Ha.  If
>your logic works one way then it better F*UCKING work the other way.

	They were Rude Boys, not skins.  The term skin was not coined
until the 60's, and the style was a result of taking existing British
youth culture, and mixing it with the Rude Boy fashion.  Get it straight.

Jason

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In a previous article, ad792@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Eric Blace) says:

>Maybe Sylvia is great, (she certainly is grating), but maybe you should
>study Cannibal practices that took place in Europe.  I understand that
>they were delicious with a white wine sauce and shalots and fresh peas.
>How did a dick brain like you ever learn to type? Did Mom help?
>
>Jason??????? Help!!!!!Please!!!!

	Hahaha!  Good one, I must admit.  However, I'm not going to get
involved in these debates anymore.  It hurts my brain.  I'd love to
help, but I'd rather not stop my thought processes in order to respond to
some of the idiots that post.

	Besides, I've been gone all weekend...

Jason

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In a previous article, jumpstarts@aol.com (Jumpstarts) says:

>In article , al998@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
>(Jason Smith) writes:
>
>Jason,
>Did you mean to say that Skinhead was a term coined in England as opposed
>to Jamaica?  (Not in the 60's as you said, which Ska Punk [and just what
>the fuck is a ska punk anyway?] posited)  Just being picky.

	Yeah, that's what I meant.  Picky, picky!

Jason

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References: <325p05$d6d@agate.berkeley.edu> <321nsk$rms@search01.news.aol.com> <321hv8$pid@search01.news.aol.com> Jason, it was much more than mixing with rude boy fashion.
>How do you explain Symarip's "skinhead moonstomp"???  It 
>was both a mix of fashion and music.  Judge Dread, Desmond 
>Dekker.

	Any fashion is usually accompanied by some form of music,
particularly when dealing with youth cults.  For example: Punk, Hippy,
Thrasher/metalhead (who have now taken to cropping their hair, instead of
wearing it long...), Alternative, Grunge, Skater...  I could go on.  How
do you explain that?

Jason

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>>>Maybe there should be a mental capabitlity test before people are allowed
>>>to log on.  (and yes I would pass it)
>>>
>>>Wow, but beer and Sunday afternoons bring out the flame in me
>>
>>       I'll say!
>>--
>>... If there was a mental capability test given before logging on,
>     there wouldn't be a skinhead newsgroup. It's apparent that skinheads
>     are brainless fools. It wouldn't be fair to segregate them from the
>     computer world. Besides, it's tons of fun to see how stupid people
>     interact. It's like studying Primates, but Primates are far superior
>     intellectually.
>

	And I'd be just willing to bet that you're a rocket scientist too.

Jason

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In a previous article, hthornbu@osiris.hmc.edu (Harvey Thornburg) says:

>Please tell me all you can about aforementioned band.  Supposedly this is 
>an early Tony Wakeford project (between when he left Death in June and
>before he formed Sol Invictus). Clues as to lyrics, political orientation
>welcome.

	Is this alt.music.thrash?  Death is a big-time thrash metal band,
and frankly, doesn't have much to do with this group.  Correct me if I'm
wrong.  I think you may get more and better info on a different group, one
which is more relevant to what you seek.

Jason

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	Alright, my clipper blades are in need of a change, as after
hbaving lent it to a friend, returned it with some of the teeth broken. 
As a result, I'll have to change them in order for it to cut evenly. 
Anyone know where there are authorized dealers for these things?  I've
tried the local stores where I bought it, and no help was forthcoming. 
Nobody seemed to know where to get blades.  It's a "Wahl" brand, model
name "Mohawk."  Any help is appreciated.

	Regards
Jason

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In a previous article, sk5h+@andrew.cmu.edu (Sarah Michelle Kreidler) says:

>hi all
>    Jim Dugan wrote in his post: 
>How come people ask stupid punk/hardcore questions on the skinhead group? 
>Ask the fucking punks.
>
>Hey, I agree about the hardcores, but don't slam on the punk rock folks,
>because they are as much a part of oi as skinheads are. I don't think
>Vice Squad or Sham69 were exactly wearin' boots and braces if you know
>what I mean.  We're basically the same (except for squatter punks),
>skinheads just dress cleaner and wash their hair more often.

	Well, I agree on some points, but not on the "we're basically the
same" notion.  Skins are a working-class manifestation, with a work ethic,
whilst punks are usually slovenly lazy asses.  I agree that the bands in
question weren't exactly skins, but then again, neither was Desmond
Dekker, now was he?  Admittedly, I may have introduced some personal bias
into this discussion, based on personal experience, but that is because,
in general, the punks here are one of two things: rich kids rebelling, or
grubby street urchins (which makes them more authentic, but you'd think
they could wash, and why green hair?!).  I remember a time around here
when skins and punks hung together, indeed, myself and about nine other
skins used to hang with punks before.  We just had some self-respect and
brains enough to move on before it degenerated, I guess. 

	And we don't have any hair to wash, at any rate  :-)

Jason
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In a previous article, jumpstarts@aol.com (Jumpstarts) says:

>In article , al998@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
>(Jason Smith) writes:
>
>Jason,
>Look for a barber supply shop in your phone book.  Failing that, try your
>local beauty school, they should be able to order them for you.

	Thanks!  I never thought of a barber supply shop, alhtough someone
*did* mention a barbershop before...

Jason

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In a previous article, cs932090@ariel.cs.yorku.ca (JOANNA I TIMARIU) says:

>Or was the above response of yours some kind of twisted way of trying to insult
>me by copying the unmistaken "style" of Jason? 

	Joanna, true to my word, I will remain civil.  However, I have not
been the only one to point out that you are a retard, and most of the
criticism comes from people who agree with your politics.  I have many
intelligent discussions with people of many persuasions, but you are not
one of them.

Jason

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In a previous article, david@pipeline.com (David Custer) says:

>WARNING -- The Lightning Rod T includes a Celtic Cross that is 
>approximately 1-inch diameter (2.5 cm), as a part of the 
>graphics.  This 
>symbol is reportedly illegal under the puppet governments of 
>Canada and 

	Illegal?  That's news.  If so, I've been breaking the law for
years, what with the WP Tee's I've been wearing, and particularly the
Celtic cross patch on my bomber and cap...

Jason

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>Did you ever think that mabie it is more important to not call people
>who are from non-white backgrounds by there names and not worry about
>what they call you.  I mean if it pisses you off the someone calls you
>bastard it probly pisses them off.  I wonder if you have ever even
>talked to someone of a diffrent race.  I mean talked to them and see
>that they are not very diffrent than you.  Don't be so afraid of
>others that you don't comunicate with them.  I think is the problem
>with you guys is that you let the fear of what you don't know control
>you.  A brave person would talk to people they don't understand not
>shout petty insults at them.

	It never occured to me... thank you for guiding me to the light!

	Seriously, though, I've heard the arguments for the causes of
racism.  All are bogus, simply trying to rationalise a phenomenon that
they don't understand, and put reasons behind it that they _will_
understand, and be able to counteract.  The truth of it is, I went to
school with non-Whites, like most people.  I have spoken with them, and
they were aquaintances of mine, although not close friends.  All knew who
I was, and respected it.  I've had discussions about my politics with
Blacks I know, and they understand and see my point of view as a valid
one, even if they do not agree about the solution.  They too, would like
to keep their heritage pure.  My disdain for non-whites extends much
further than many, as I do not appreciate the large numbers of white
immigrants either.  In this sense, it differentiates me from some other
White Nationalists, in that I would be a Canadian Nationalist.  In grade
school, I had 10 Portuguese kids, 1 Greek, a Black, and a Pakistani, out
of 30 kids.  That would make the percentage of immigrants over 33%, or
1/3.  In those days, Portuguese immigration to Canada was high.  In later
years, it was Lebanese, and now, Somalian.

Actually, there wasn't really a point to this post, other than to perhaps
point out that it is not ignorance, or lack of exposure to these people,
which causes intolerance.  It is the converse.  No amount of "Education"
(read indoctrination) can reverse that.

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In a previous article, jumpstarts@aol.com (Jumpstarts) says:

>I Would simply rather talk to Jason although I dissagree with his
>politics.

	Awww.... Gee.... Shucks....  Thanks!  

Jason
BTW, there's no reasoning with Joanna.  She just wants to disagree for the
sake of disagreement, be it with you, me, or anyone else.  If she can find
a nit to pick, you can bet your boots she will.  But that's nothing but
conjecture based on personal opinion, and we all know how much _my_
opinion counts!!!! :)


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In a previous article, jumpstarts@aol.com (Jumpstarts) says:

>In article , al998@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
>(Jason Smith) writes:
>
>Jason,
>Please describe said "celtic cross".  Either we have a nomenclature
>problem or y'all are adopting new symbols.  I am familliar with what we
>would call a "hooligans cross", which is simply a cross in a circle,
>sometimes equilateral, cometimes w/ the base extended to form a crucifix.
>I am unfamiliar w/ any actual "celtic cross" WP symbolism.  If this is the
>case, I am once again annoyed at finding my herritage co-opted, just like
>with the sudden trendiness of celtic tattoos on non-celts and Iron crosses
>on skins of all types.

	Yep, you described the Celtic cross, alright.  I've never heard it
referred to as a "hooligan's cross," ever, by anyone.  And just for the
record, my encyclopedic dictionary refers to this self-same symbol as a
Celtic cross, so nobody co-opted anthing.  It was widely used among the
Irish in the "old days."  A non-racist aquaintance of mine has one
tattooed, as a symbol of his heritage, and not a racist symbol.  The WP
movement has been using the symbol for years, as far back as I can
remember.  I don't know what the deal with the Iron Cross is, though. 
Some people get all offended, and see it as a nazi symbol, when, in fact,
it is nothing but a Prussian military decoration, pre-dating WWI.

Jason

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In a previous article, jumpstarts@aol.com (Jumpstarts) says:

>In article , al998@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
>(Jason Smith) writes:
>
>Jason,
>I have one around my neck even as we speak.  My problem is that I don't
>like symbols that are personal to me taking on a dual identity.  My
>problem is the same with the Iron Cross, not that it has Nazi
>connotations, but that My grandmother' (who is pure German)s uncle was
>awarded it posthumously in WWI.  It is a millitary honor, and should be
>treated as such.  Its not jewelery anymore than a Purple Heart or a
>Victoria's Cross is.  

	Jim, I hate to pick nits with you, and I agree about the Iron
Cross, but the Celtic Cross is no more personal to you than the town
whore.  It has been appropriated by many cultures, in many places, at many
times, with many different meanings.  Its meanings are not merely dual,
but infinite, and its interpretation is personal, not the symbol itself. 
That's what symbolism is, and what symbols are about.

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In a previous article, jumpstarts@aol.com (Jumpstarts) says:

>In article , al998@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
>(Jason Smith) writes:
>
>Jason,
>To me the Celtic Cross is a symbol of my culture and my herritage.  I cant
>for the the life of me see what it has to do with WP, despite ID Skins
>attempt to "educate" me on the history of Nazi symbolism.  I'm not
>pretending to be at all rational about this, I just don't like it. 
>Perhaps the best analogy would be if you saw some little Rave Monkey in
>boots, braces and a bomber.  There's nothing "wrong" w/ his lifestyle, and
>skins dont own the fashion, but I don't think you'd like it anymore than I
>would.

	The distinction must be made here between Nazi symbolism and WP
symbolism.  The Celtic cross was used by the British nationalists first,
and carried over to the American WP scene.  Just like the Afrikaners use
the 777 symbol.  And you're right, I don't like ravers with boots and
bombers, any more than I like rappers with the same.  I don't like the
sudden popularity that previously skinhead-only style and dress has taken
in the past five years or so.  To see rapper wearing Docs, unlaced of all
things, goes against everything I stand for as a skin.  You're supposed to
have pride in your boots, keep 'em polished, and most of all, Laced!  It's
hard to keep your boots from flying off when kickin, otherwise... ;)

Jason

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In a previous article, jumpstarts@aol.com (Jumpstarts) says:

>In article , al998@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
>(Jason Smith) writes:
>
>Jason,
>I only brought up the Nazi angle because ID Skin tried to say that Hitler
>adpted it as part of the whole Broken Cross Motif, which, even I know is
>bullshit.  i was talking to a friend tonight about it and he said that I'd
>porbably be taken for WP because of my cross, which doesn't make me feel
>any better, but I've been misunderstood before.  Sign me corrected, but
>still disgruntled.

	You have that right.  Of course, to be frank, if I saw *any* skin
wearing such a cross, my assumption would be automatic as to their
political affiliations.  I guess you're just one of those exceptions to
the rule... ;)

Jason

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In a previous article, jumpstarts@aol.com (Jumpstarts) says:

>Oi!
>Well, The Buisness are playing tomorrow, and there are about 50 extra
>skins here tonight.  The end result of which is a lot of beer gone,
>punches thrown, police harassment, shit broken, shots fired and one less
>water fountain in the world.  The ususal.  No one's in jail and anyone in
>pain deserved it (no one got shot).  A good time is being had by all.
>And most people aren't even getting here 'til tommorrow.
>

	What are you trying to do?  Rub it in?  Some of us resent the fact
that we can't travel to see the Business, of all bands.  Sounds like fun
so far, though.  Wish I could be there.  Have one for me, mate...!

Jason

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In a previous article, ryan.matijcio@digitaldata.tor250.org (Ryan Matijcio) says:

>    Out of curroisty, is there an alt.skinheads FAQ?  If so, any idea where I
>can FTP it from?

	Yes, there is an alt.skinheads FAQ.  The purveyor of said FAQ is
on summer vacation, in the DC area.  He'll be back in the fall.  'Till
then, people will just have to make do without one.

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	Rick, could you send me the Identity FAQ again, I'm afraid my
system (or someone on it, perhaps?) erased my mail file.  All was lost. 
For that matter, anyone waiting for replies from me should perhaps send me
another missive...

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With the anon servers mis-behaving, I am posting this for Yggdrasill.




                 YGGDRASILL

         "The Germanic Tree of Life"

        Presents this Week's Lesson in
        Securing the Survival of Western
               Civilization.

Each week, YGGDRASILL discusses the forces and movements
that bear on the fate of European-Americans as a people
and as a culture.

YGGDRASILL's students include many who are angry at the
United States Government and at the costs and disadvantages
it imposes on European-Americans. The legal and economic
burdens fall predominantly on the young and politically
weak; those seeking college admission, first time job
seekers, and entrepreneurs starting up businesses.

While anger is understandable, ancient symbols of that
anger do not to speak to the needs of our people. They
tend to energize opponents of European-American self-
determination.

There are recognizable forces and patterns that create
and maintain the burdens imposed on European-Americans.
These weekly lessons are intended to illuminate
those forces and patterns, so that the angry youth of
our nation will understand that we have realistic
opportunities to free ourselves.
          --------------------------

The topic for this week is "Multi-Racial Empires."

YGGDRASILL SAYS: "Multi-Racial Empires everywhere crumble.
                 They are a bad idea."

The reading for this week comes from the Pages of the Wall
Street Journal.

The article is written by an Economics Professor at Harvard.

He makes a very important point about racial groups using the
government for advantage:

     " Although it may be an unpleasant commentary on human
     nature, a central driving force in defining a state is the
     desire to have a reasonably homogeneous population within
     its borders. It is clear from observing the places where
     secessionist movements tend to occur, such as Yugoslavia and
     the Soviet Union or Spain and Canada, that ethnic identity
     is a central driving force. ***

     " Political economy explains some of the benefits from
     having a homogeneous population within a given state. If
     diversity is great--measured say by the inequality in
     potential earnings-then there is a strong incentive for
     people to spend their energies in efforts to redistribute
     income rather than to produce goods. In particular, a
     greater dispersion of constituent characteristics leads to
     the creation of interest groups that spend their time
     lobbying the central government to redistribute resources in
     their favor."

Do racial minority "interest groups" lobby to redistribute resources
from European Americans in the United States?

The author suggests that there may be benefits to secession -
the splitting of a multi-racial empire into several racially
homogenous states.

Might it be possible for interested European-Americans
to form their own country within the borders of the United
States?

Does the article suggest anything that might motivate the
average European-American to support secession?

Might the typical, middle class European-American view this
as a means to escape the burden of supporting groups who
lobby for advantages and government handouts?

Might secession be a peaceful means of achieving self-
determination for European-Americans?

The author suggests that the institution of slavery could
have been ended at far less cost without fighting the
Civil War.

Is he suggesting that some other agenda was at stake?

YGGDRASILL recommends that you to read, with interest, the
following:

The Wall Street Journal
Oct. 11, 1991
SMALL IS BEAUTIFUL
BY ROBERT J. BARRO

The U.S. government is instinctively opposed to secession. It has
not supported the Kurds in Iraq, the Croats in Yugoslavia the
Ibos in Nigeria or the Quebecers in Canada. We were pretty much
the last major country to sign on to sovereignty for the Baltic
states, and we have not endorsed the independence movements of
any of the other Soviet republics.
 There seem to be two main reasons for this opposition. The first
is the potential trouble from changing borders. Even borders that
were drawn in an arbitrary manner sometime in the past-such as in
Yugoslavia, Iraq and much of Africa-may reasonably be defended
because the process of change involves disruptions, possibly
including armed conflict. Of course, the attempt to maintain
unsatisfactory boundaries may cause even more disruption.

 The intense opposition of the U.S. government to secession also
reflects the specifics of American history. The U.S. Civil War-by
far the most costly conflict ever fought by Americans-was waged
primarily to maintain the union. The war caused more than 600,000
military fatalities and an unknown number of civilian deaths, and
severely damaged the southern economy. Per-capita income in the
South fell from about 80% of the northern level before the war
(using the sketchy data available for 1840 ) to about 40% after
the war (based on the more complete data for 1880 ). The fall in
per-capita income reflected the destruction of capital-plant and
equipment, livestock and educated labor-and the end of the
plantation system based on forced labor.

War's True Cost

Although only the first part of the fall in measured per-capita
income represents a true cost of the war, the overall setback to
the economy was striking: It took more than a century after the
war's end in 1865 for Southern per-capita income to reattain 80%
of the Northern level. This rate of convergence of the poor South
to the rich North may seem slow, but the pace is typical of
regional growth processes observed in other times and places.

 If the U.S. government were to support the right of secession in
some other part of the world, such as the Soviet Union, then it
might seem indirectly to be challenging the basic premise of the
Civil War. Why is it desirable for Soviet republics to have the
right to secession when it was undesirable for U.S. states to
have the same rights? We would then force ourselves to reconsider
whether the enormous cost of the Civil War was worth it. Instead
of being the greatest of American presidents, as many people
believe, Abraham Lincoln may instead have presided over the
largest error in American history.

 Although the desire to free the slaves was not the primary cause
of the Civil War, one might argue that the elimination of this
disgraceful oppression nevertheless made the war worthwhile. Two
problems with this argument are first, that the setback to the
Southern economy harmed the Southern blacks along with the
whites, and second, that the elimination of slavery did not
prevent blacks from suffering through nearly an additional
century of semi-legal discrimination and segregation after the
end of Reconstruction in the 1870s. Everyone would have been
better off if the elimination of slavery had been accomplished by
buying off the slaveowners-as the British did in the West Indies
in the 1830s-instead of fighting the war.
 Whether the blacks would have been better or worse off if the
North had accepted the secession of the South requires a forecast
of how the institution of slavery would have fared in an
independent South. Some relevant information is that slavery was
abolished without war in the other parts of the Western
hemisphere where it had existed (except for Haiti in the 1790s )
and that the last country to act, Brazil, began the process in
1871 and finished it in 1888. Thus, the experience of the rest of
the hemisphere suggests that slavery in the U.S. south would have
been eliminated peacefully in not very many years.

 If we put the experience of the Civil War behind us and also
abstract from the transitional problems of redrawing borders-that
is, the stability issue-then the evaluation of a secession
depends on whether, starting from scratch, reasonable borders
would have been drawn very differently from those that currently
prevail. Some of the arguments that have been used in this
context to criticize the breakup of states are wrong.

 For example, it is often said that a potential new state is too
small to be economically viable: Soviet Georgia or Croatia-or
Quebec or Catalonia-could not make it on its own. The empirical
evidence about the economic growth of countries conflicts sharply
with this view. There is no relation between the growth or level
of per-capita income and the size of a country, whether measured
by population or area. Small countries, even with populations of
as little as a million, can perform well economically, as long as
they remain open to international trade. In fact, smallness tends
to encourage openness because the alternative really would be a
nonviable economy.

 A related specious argument is that a state cannot prosper if it
lacks a key natural resource, such as oil or fertile land. The
experience with economic growth across countries reveals little
relation between economic performance and the presence of natural
resources. Japan and the Asian tigers, as well as most of Western
Europe, have done fine without domestic sources of oil. With
access to international markets, a country can specialize in what
it does well and then trade its goods for the commodities, such
as oil or agricultural products, that it lacks domestically. A
characteristic that does promote economic growth is good
government in the sense of maintenance of property rights,
avoidance of trade barriers and absence of other market
distortions including excessive tax rates and regulations.Thus,
in evaluating a change of international borders, a key issue from
an economic standpoint is whether the new government would be
better or worse in terms of these growth promoting traits. In the
case of the Baltics, Croatia or Kurdistan, there is little
question that secession would lead to improved government.

 Although it may be an unpleasant commentary on human nature, a
central driving force in defining a state is the desire to have a
reasonably homogeneous population within its borders. It is clear
from observing the places where secessionist movements tend to
occur, such as Yugoslavia and the Soviet Union or Spain and
Canada, that ethnic identity is a central driving force. There
are cases in which governments have dealt more or less
successfully with sharp ethnic diversities, such as Switzerland
and even the U.S., but problems are easier to pinpoint than
triumphs.

 Political economy explains some of the benefits from having a
homogeneous population within a given state. If diversity is
great--measured say by the inequality in potential earnings-then
there is a strong incentive for people to spend their energies in
efforts to redistribute income rather than to produce goods. In
particular, a greater dispersion of constituent characteristics
leads to the creation of interest groups that spend their time
lobbying the central government to redistribute resources in
their favor.

 We can think of a country's optimal size as emerging from a
tradeoff: A large country can spread the cost of public goods,
such as defining a legal and monetary system and maintaining
national security, over many taxpayers, but a large country is
also likely to have a diverse population that is difficult for
the central government to satisfy. The reason that small
countries perform reasonably well in practice is that the
public-goods argument may not be so important. For instance, a
larger country has more property to protect from foreign
aggressors and therefore requires larger outlays for national
defense than a small country. Empirically, the ratio of defense
expenditures to gross national product is uncorrelated with the
size of the country: If the public-goods argument were
compelling, then larger countries would tend to spend less on
defense as a share of GNP. No doubt, it is inefficient for
sovereign states to be too small, but the minimum size for a
viable state seems not to be very great.

 Self-Determination

The bottom line is that political separation is sometimes a good
idea: The benefits can outweigh the losses, including the
transitional costs of changing borders. We can usually judge
whether the benefits from change exceed the costs by relying on
self-determination. After all, most of the costs from changing
governments and establishing new institutions are borne by the
secessionists--if a clear majority of residents in an area
indicates their desire to become independent, then they are
saying that the benefits exceed the costs.

 The situation is considerably more complicated if competing
groups lay claim to essentially the same territory, as in
Lebanon, Israel, South Africa and Northern Ireland. But many
situations are more straightforward: examples of independence
movements that warrant our support--at least in terms of
recognition-are the Croats, the Kurds and the peoples of the
Soviet republics.
 Mr. Barro, a Wall Street Journal contributing editor, is a
professor of economics at Harvard.

 


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In a previous article, rpc4@po.CWRU.Edu (Robert P. Cvetichan) says:

>[drivel]

	Wow.  You're cool.


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In a previous article, axl@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu () says:

>I got mine, a semi automatic pistol that I keep in the desk.
>I mostly shoot beer bottles with it; if I was in a fight, think
>I'd rather leave then kill, since there's such a hassle involved
>with shootin' people these days...

	Not in Texas there ain't.  It's relatively easy to shoot someone
in Texas.  Try doing it in Canada, where the gun control laws are severe. 
Even if you do it in self-defense, you'll probably go up the river.  But,
I do have four guns (rifles, handguns aren't legal without a special
permit, and they'd never give _me_ one...!).  A .308, .303, .410, and a
small but effective semi-auto .22.

Jason

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In a previous article, ethompso@nmsu.edu (Erik T. Thompson) says:

>
>     Ok Dugan I'll bite, just what is behind todays right wing skin
>movement. The image is one of Swastikas, DM's, fools looking for _Mein
>Kampf_, and brown haired, brown eyed people trying to claim some sort of
>aryan heritage. If this is not it, then educate me. I want to know.

	You're asking the wrong guy.  Jim is far from being a right-wing
extremist.  I'd post a more elaborate and thoughtful response, perhaps
even insightful and humourous, but I don't feel like it.  I'm goin' out to
drink beer.  Later gits!

Jason

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In a previous article, n9142918@henson.cc.wwu.edu (Lisa Woistman) says:

>skapunk@aol.com (Ska Punk) writes:
>
>>In article <1994Aug18.090106.7931@henson.cc.wwu.edu>,
>>n9142918@henson.cc.wwu.edu (Lisa Woistman) writes:
>
>>look at the ska FAQ that is posted.  What are you doing with this
>>newsgroup if you do not know about ska?
>
>	Trying to find out what it is, and trying to find the FAQ.  It
>hasn't been posted since I have started reading this group.  Like I said
>before, I've heard Ska before, there's a local college station that plays
>it, and I like it.  I'm trying to find out more about it, and I was
>steered this direction.  Now, instead of bagging on me, why not help me
>out?  Sound reasonable enough, Ska Punk?

	You'd probably get more and better feedback on alt.music.ska. 
Many people on this group wouldn't know ska if it hit them.

Jason

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References: <33b528$aol@matt.ksu.ksu.edu> <33aafs$8bt@matt.ksu.ksu.edu> <1994Aug21.225248.1@clstac> Agreed. Though I would still see this as a reason not to favor racism
>(in a general world setting, not dealing with an Aryan state which 
>would inherently be racist). In every businness transaction it is not
>needed to get along with the other party, but I would think that it
>would help.

	Your extrapolations and assumptions are somewhat rooted in
creative thinking.  Just because I don't want foreign (or alien, or
non-White, or whatever term you wish to use) influences to direct my
society, and wish for my society and nation-state to be ethnically
homogenous *does not* mean that I would necessarily dislike my non-White
trading partners.  The entire basis of the movement is self-determination
for an ethnically homogenous White nation.  Once we have self-government,
and organs and institutions geared towards our interests and goals, there
will be no need for hostility towards foreign traders, provided these
nations/states don't interfere with the internal affairs of my
nation-state.  Indeed, there is no need for hostility now towards foreign
countries of non-White ethnicities, as long as their activities and
interests do not infringe upon the interests of Whites.  The Japanese pose
an economic threat.  Rwanda does not.  Russia under Zhironovsky poses a
potential military threat.  India does not.  Follow the reasoning?

>The examples you have given are States, ruled by inexperienced governments.
>I guess it would be debatable if they were independent races. I think
>you could have given me better examples, but I'll deal with these :).
>The colonies that you speak of may have been doing well economically
>under white rule, simple because it was an oppressive white rule. I'm sure
>any country in which individuals are under complete state control can
>be productive for a short time, but eventually the individuals invariably
>get restless and coloniesbecome independent. Obviously these are assertions
>on my part, but it seems to make empirical sense.

	Very well, my examples were perhaps not the best, but you *do* get
the general gist of the argument.  People in these states are of varying
ethnic origin (which actually led to the massacres in Rwanda), and have
been remarkably unable to help themselves without White rule.  When that
ostensibly "oppressive" rule is removed, chaos results.  Note Angola.  The
same will happen in South Afrika, should the Whites ever decide to leave. 
The Whites hold all the economic power, and the knowledge to build and
maintain infrastructures for these countries.  When they pull out, there
are spaces to fill, infrastructure remains intact, but the end result is
chaos nonetheless.

>This is just some basic argumentation which assists me in getting
>an idea where you are coming from. I'm not trying to be an asshole,
>just seems like some of the WP people on here think that arguing
>is bad.

	Arguing *is* bad.  Discussion is better.  :)

Jason

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>all been European colonies at one point or another.  Ethiopia was under 
>fascist Italian rule, so why aren't they thriving, Jason?  Most of the 
>countries colonised by whites are not doing any better than those that 
>were not, and many are doing a lot worse after having their social, 
>cultural, and economic systems disrupted by european colonialism and the 
>continuation of neo-imperialist economic and military practices by the 
>so-called first world.  
>Your theory is entertaining, but not too hard to destroy.  Keep trying!

	Rather, it reinforces my beliefs.  The colonies that are doing
well were ruled by Europeans at some point.  Colonies that have since
fallen into chaos were unable to maintain the infrastructure of
their country due to inherent inabilities.  Keep trying!

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In a previous article, libmlm@cc.emory.edu (Matthew L Miller) says:

>: 	Rather, it reinforces my beliefs.  The colonies that are doing
>: well were ruled by Europeans at some point.  Colonies that have since
>
>Do you have a reading problem?  I just said that the examples you gave 
>of chaotic countries *were* all ruled by Europeans.  Pay attention, son.

	I'm afraid it may be you who has a reading problem.  You just
repeated what I said.  Yes, they were all ruled by Europeans.  Now they're
not.  Now they're in chaos.  Go figger.  Other countries that were under
White rule are doing (comparatively) well.  Why is that?  Because they
adopted the methods and infrastructures of the Western world.

>: fallen into chaos were unable to maintain the infrastructure of
>: their country due to inherent inabilities.  Keep trying!
>                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Perhaps this is also the source of the collapse of the British empire. Or 
>the 3rd reich, for that matter.   

	Both these collapses were brought about by foreign wars, and not
internal collapse.  Both the 3rd Reich and the British Empire were
destroyed by WWII.  The British couldn't keep many of her holdings during
the war, and afterward, many sued for independance.

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In a previous article, gregt10548@aol.com (GregT10548) says:

>Wait a minute.  In your first post you were saying that the countries that
>hadn't been colonized by whites were in chaos.  Now, after learning that
>you were wrong, and that some of those countries that were indeed in
>"chaos" had been colonized by whites, you change your argument around
>completely.  Kind of makes it hard to argue with you. You just keep your
>viewpoint and put the appropriate spin on what you think are the facts at
>the time.

	Of course, both countries that were colonised and those that were
not are in chaos.  My point wasn't about those that had been colonised
originally.  My error was in using bad examples.  I admit, my argument
started off on a bad footing, and I am attempting to address the rather
quick and shoddy argument.  Then again, when you start off with a bad
argument, it's hard to recover.  Chalk it up to carelessness on my part.

>Do you think it is possible that the countries that had been colonized by
>whites are in chaos due to the whites attempt to destroy their existing
>culture, pitting various tribes against one another, etc.  No you don't
>have to answer.  I know what your answer will be.

	It's entirely possible.  In fact, it is very much a part of the
reason.  However, North America is chock full of different ethnicities,
and we're not killing each other en-masse, nor are we starving, and we are
able to elect and maintain responsible (?!) government, and do not live in
third-world poverty.  Perhaps our level of civilisation has exceeded that
of Africa.

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In a previous article, gregt10548@aol.com (GregT10548) says:

>I don't understand.  The United States is not a nation or is not
>hetergeneous?  If it is not a nation I don't understand what your
>definition of a noation is.

	It is heterogenous, but is not a nation.  It is a federation of
States, namely a federal republic.  A nation is a group of people of
common ethnicity or culture.  The US could not possibly be a nation under
that criteria.  The misuse of the word nation has led to much confusion,
and has diluted the meaning.  The US could (improperly) be described as a
state, but not a nation.

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In a previous article, gregt10548@aol.com (GregT10548) says:

>Wait a minute.  In your first post you were saying that the countries that
>hadn't been colonized by whites were in chaos.  Now, after learning that
>you were wrong, and that some of those countries that were indeed in
>"chaos" had been colonized by whites, you change your argument around
>completely.  Kind of makes it hard to argue with you. You just keep your
>viewpoint and put the appropriate spin on what you think are the facts at
>the time.

	Of course, both countries that were colonised and those that were
not are in chaos.  My point wasn't about those that had been colonised
originally.  My error was in using bad examples.  I admit, my argument
started off on a bad footing, and I am attempting to address the rather
quick and shoddy argument.  Then again, when you start off with a bad
argument, it's hard to recover.  Chalk it up to carelessness on my part.

>Do you think it is possible that the countries that had been colonized by
>whites are in chaos due to the whites attempt to destroy their existing
>culture, pitting various tribes against one another, etc.  No you don't
>have to answer.  I know what your answer will be.

	It's entirely possible.  In fact, it is very much a part of the
reason.  However, North America is chock full of different ethnicities,
and we're not killing each other en-masse, nor are we starving, and we are
able to elect and maintain responsible (?!) government, and do not live in
third-world poverty.  Perhaps our level of civilisation has exceeded that
of Africa.

Jason

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In a previous article, gregt10548@aol.com (GregT10548) says:

>I don't understand.  The United States is not a nation or is not
>hetergeneous?  If it is not a nation I don't understand what your
>definition of a noation is.

	It is heterogenous, but is not a nation.  It is a federation of
States, namely a federal republic.  A nation is a group of people of
common ethnicity or culture.  The US could not possibly be a nation under
that criteria.  The misuse of the word nation has led to much confusion,
and has diluted the meaning.  The US could (improperly) be described as a
state, but not a nation.

Jason

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In a previous article, l0n1p0@io.org (Peter Skaliks) says:

> 3 Jason Smith writes:
> 3 	It is heterogenous, but is not a nation.  It is a federation of
> 3 States, namely a federal republic.  A nation is a group of people of
> 3 common ethnicity or culture.  The US could not possibly be a nation under
> 3 that criteria.  The misuse of the word nation has led to much confusion,
> 3 and has diluted the meaning.  The US could (improperly) be described as a
> 3 state, but not a nation.                   ^^^^^^^^^^^
> 3
>
>I'm not sure why the term state would be improper. The U.S.A. is a single
>entity, and has exactly ONE vote at the UN, not 50 votes. The internal
>structure of this sovereign state is only of local significance, not
>international significance. Nobody OUTSIDE the U.S. really cares all that
>much about its internal federal structure.

	To the outside world, the US may be a single entity, but the fact
remains that it is a federation of States.  The power of the individual
States has diminished because of the Federal Government's stranglehold. 
They've even made it illegal to secede from the union.  I think State's
rights are being violated.  At least Quebec has the legal option to
separate, without armed insurrection, from the Federal Govt., regardless
of what the outside world, or the UN (who gives a fuck about that
overbearing body of goverment, anyway?  Saddam had the right idea!) thinks.

Jason


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In a previous article, paukstel@ksu.ksu.edu () says:

>I think the point is, you don't have a choice. To truly promote the white
>race to its fullest extent, you would have to avoid or neglect products
>made by members of other races. Not only would you be wrong in just
>boycotting goods made in foriegn countries, you couldn't be sure about
>any product made in the U.S. Europe, Canada, etc. These countries have
>already lots their identity with any one particular race.

	This is sophistry, plain and simple.  A sovereign White state
would be fully capable of trading with other nations, provided it had
products of use to other countries.  Where there is a product, there is
the potential for trading.  What is to stop us from using the technologies
developed by other ethnicities?  It would indeed be in our best interests
*not* to boycott such products, if it improves our standard of living or
our way of life.  The Japanese do it.  As a racially homogenous society,
they take technologies developed by the Western world, and mass produce
'em, cheap.  That's the secret to their economic success.


>Now show me any race that inherently CAN'T be productive. You can't.
>Individuals of a race may not be productive, but no race as a whole
>is unproductive.

	Rwandans.  Somalians.  Ethiopians.  All have shown a remarkable
lack of ability to further their interests, or even to survive
without help from the international community.  Countries that are doing
well were once colonised and governed by Whites, for the most part. 
Explain that, please.

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In a previous article, al265@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Michael Hamilton) says:

>>Oh shut the fuck up and go back to the cave in which you came from.
>>
>>Steve
>>ridley@nucleus.com
>>
>	Considering the flake the skinheads get over their grammar and 
>spelling, shouldn't that be:
>
>"Oh shut the fuck up and go back to the cave from which you came." ?

	A) It's bad netiquette to pick on someone's spelling, no matter
how annoying.

	B) Seeing as you did, then I do believe the proper expression and
spelling is "flak."  I don't see too many skins getting flakes, other than
dandruff ones.

Jason
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In a previous article, l0n1p0@io.org (Peter Skaliks) says:

>I'm not so sure about that Jason. The Canadian constitution makes no
>provision for divorce. Pariseau and the boys could attempt to negotiate
>terms for secession, but they do not have the right to do anything
>unilaterally. Provinces are just provinces, not sovereign states. An
>attempt to sever a part of Canada would probably be countered by armed
>force from the federal government, which is legally required to ensure
>the "peace, order, and good government" of Canada. This clause overrides
>all other clauses in the constitution, including the civil rights clauses
>and including the provincial power clauses. The federal government has
>the legal power to depose a provincial government and place the province
>under trusteeship, if the circumstances call for such measures. By
>Canadian law and tradition, parliament is the supreme power in Canada. In
>terms of Roman law, it has IMPERIUM, the power of life or death within
>its domain.

	Any attempt at secession will be done unilaterally.  The only
thing Quebec owes to the rest of Canada is its portion of the debt. 
Simply because the Constitution does not provide a mechanism for secession
does not necessarily mean that such an act is illegal.  Any attempt at
secession will be done through referendum, and would be the will of the
people of Quebec.  The Federal government would never go to war to keep
Quebec a part of Canada.  Canadians are too passive.

>I would hope that the foregoing scenario would never materialize, but I
>would unconditionally support the federal government if it ever did
>happen.

	Too bad.  I'm no seperatist, but should it ever come down to it,
my loyalties are clear.  Besides, it would be much easier to foment a
sovereign racist state in Quebec, given the smaller area.  Too bad the PQ
are leftists.  It's my only reason for not supporting them (and the fact
that Parizeau is a crackpot...)

Jason

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In a previous article, stevew@ripco.com (Steve Wesolek) says:

>Do any of you bald Nazis that claim to skinheads know who how skinheads 
>started? If you knew you probally wouldn't call your self skinheads. Any TRUE 
>Skinhead could not be racist. Skinheads came from both Black & White working 
>class backgrounds. Most of the first skinheads were BLACK. (Shock Horror!)With 
>out the black and white cultures there would not be skinheads. 

	Ah, fuck off.  We've heard it a million times in the past year and
a half.  Think you're the first?  Pretty arrogant of you.  Didn't Romantic
Violence or CASH get to you yet?

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In a previous article, axh04135@menudo.uh.edu () says:

>First and foremost, this is a well known fact.  MANY scientists support this
>and in case you have gone blind THE IMAGES THEY LEFT DO SUPPORT THIS FACT.
>In case you haven't noticed, in all the damn pictures the people are NOT WHITE.
>All those paintings on the walls, etc.. are of black people!  A WHITE PERSON
>is nowhere to be found!  Why don't you go read a few books before you go on
>babbling your white supremacy nonsense?  Also the fact that Egypt is in Africa
>alone speaks for itself... or was there a great white lost civilization that
>left no trace in Africa?  Hell that would make more sense than the crap you
>are currently peddling.

	Doggy doo.  Cleopatra had her image preserved in sculpture.  It's
Caucasian in its features.  I seem to recall her having been Egyptian...
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In a previous article, MB0527A@american.edu (Michael P. Beck) says:

>mikey.
>

	mikey?  MIKEY?!  You're back!  Thank God!  Intelligent life!

	Captain, the sensors are picking up an anomaly...

	How was the summer, ya git?  :)

Jason

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In a previous article, MB0527A@american.edu (Michael P. Beck) says:

>Oi! fellow skins.  I'm back from my hiatus home and it sucked as I thought it
>would but oh bloody well, I'm still alive and kicking.  Now, just what the
>fuck has happened here?!!  Where'd all this political garbage come from?
>Granted, I'm not too keen on Nazis and such, but this is a newgroup for skins
>to talk about drinking, bovver, clothes, style, and music!  If you want to
>discuss politics, become a fuckin' politician.  Politics are for sheep, not
>skinheads!

	Heheh... they started!!!  :)  How ya been?  Glad to see you're
summer sucked as bad as mine...

>PS A big hug to all you I know already (you know who you are!)

	Awww... gee... thanks, you big teddy bear...  :)

Jason

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In a previous article, ac676@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Michelle Dean) says:

>  I'm not going to scream, or swear, or anything.

	Gosh.  Goody.

>  i'm just going to tell the truth.

	As you see it.

>  Racism is wrong. There isn't any answer to this. And every single racist
>person in this group shames the rest of his race.

	By who's criteria is it wrong?  Who judges this?  Where is the
unwritten law that says it is wrong?  By what moral code do you assume it
is wrong?  Racism and ethnicism has existed in various forms for millions
of years, and for the most part has benefitted the respective races which
practised it.  It enabled a continuation of the species.  If you ar~e one
of those who sees the eventual evolution of the "human" race as being
somewhat grey, or brown, or purple, or whatever the politically correct
color is today, then I think you have a problem.  Uniformity is ugly, and
boring.  Racial diversity is good, it is welcome, but every race has its
respective habitat, natural instincts to survival, and should be allowed
to develop without unwanted outside influence from alien races.  

Jason

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In a previous article, an50326@anon.penet.fi () says:

>Here buthead why not use this for your sig instead.
>
>"Aryan yahoo you suck"  - Skinny Puppy 

	Hokay...  and who said he was a nazi?

>p.s. Jason
>
>sept 2,3,4 
>your face my boot

	Sure.  I can see how very brave you are, posting anonymously.

Jason

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In a previous article, stevew@ripco.com (Steve Wesolek) says:

>FUCK Romantic Violence, FUCK cash, and FUCK you

	You *are* an arrogant SOB, you parboiled ape.  You ain't the first...

Jason

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In a previous article, nmonagha@nyx10.cs.du.edu (N.O. Monaghan) says:

>Is there not a similar movement in other parts of Canada - I am thinking
>of the Western Canada Party (or similar name, I forget exactly). I
>understand Doug Christie is/was involved.

	Doug Christie's organisation is the Western Canada Concept.  It
cites taxation without representation, control over immigration, import
and export levies, and a slew of other things as reason for secession.  A
movement also existed in BC which wanted to repatriate the BC
constitution, and return immigration control to the province.

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In a previous article, coomer@nuc.berkeley.edu (Eric Coomer) says:

>Ah, fuck!  Is CASH still actually around????  Did that fat dumb-ass 
>fuck Clark ever get out of jail?  What about DASH?  I'm sorry but
>these two groups were by far the lamest mother fuckers.  I'm not 
>even going to rag on their politics.  Politics aside they were even
>stupid.  Then of course there was MASH for a while but I think they
>got wise and changed it to SHAM???

	Actually, I'm not sure.  I don't think so, though.  It was pretty
much a rhetorical question, based on past movements in the area (assuming
the person I was replying to has been around long enough to know who
they are, which I'm seriously doubting).

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In a previous article, axh04135@menudo.uh.edu () says:

>>
>>	Doggy doo.  Cleopatra had her image preserved in sculpture.  It's
>>Caucasian in its features.  I seem to recall her having been Egyptian...
>>hmm...
>
>Strange, I seem to recall Cleopatra having black features...

	Bullshit.  In referring to my encyclopedia, Webster's to be exact,
one finds a composite portrait made from the sculpture, and from different
angles of her on coins.  She was Macedonian in descent, and in fact, a
descendant of one of the Generals of Alexander the Great, who conquered
Egypt in the 4th century BC.  Her sculpture is kept in the British Museum.
 Are you insinuating that Macedonians, and Alexander's generals, were
Black?  I don't think Macedonians in the former Yugoslavia would agree. 
Her father was Ptolemy XI Auletes, and her brother Ptolemy Dionysus. 
Don't sound much like African names to me.  Had she been named Mugabe or
Barjawar, perhaps... 

Jason


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From: al998@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Jason Smith)
Subject: Re: alt.skinheads.nonpoli
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In a previous article, jumpstarts@aol.com (Jumpstarts) says:

>In article <33vdl6$5gg@ionews.io.org>, l0n1p0@io.org (Peter Skaliks)
>writes:
>
>Pete, 
>I doubt that our pal axh is actually a skinhead (or old enough to see a
>dirty movie, the way he acts).  Other than that I concur wholeheartedly.

	How 'bout that?!  It took a dumbass pre-Cambrian ape to foster a
little unity on this group.  I seem to find myself agre~ein
wholeheartedly as well.  Maybe we shouldn't be so hasty.  Let's keep him
on the group.  We'll all have a target to keep us occupied, and from
picking on each other.  At least until another idiot comes in (in 2 or 3
days) and tells us all how bad we are, and gets the old debate flaming
again.  At least we'll have a few days rest, and can then go about talking
about beer and music, like the old days.  We can kill him later!  :)


Jason

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From: al998@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Jason Smith)
Subject: Re: can i be a skin even if i have really long hair?
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In a previous article, stevew@ripco.com (Steve Wesolek) says:

>I think this guy is seriously fucked in the head. What does this guy do? Read 
>only half of the posts? This guy HAS to be a hippie. I think both anti-racist 
>and racist skins can agree on one thing so far, that this guy watches too many 
>talkshows on skinheads and beleives everything he reads. It is obvious that he 
>knows absoltly nothing about skinheads.
>steve wesolek
>

	Could it be?!  I find myself agreeing once again!  Goes to show,
it takes just a few (idiots, beers,..) to bring us together...

Jason

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From: al998@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Jason Smith)
Subject: Re: Attn. Racist Skins
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In a previous article, stevew@ripco.com (Steve Wesolek) says:

>Just out of curiosity do white power skinhead groups view anti-racist skins as 
>a serious enemy? And if so what anti-racist skinhead group is beleived to be 
>the most threatening. What other anti-racist skinhead groups do you guys view 
>as a threat?

	To be honest, they aren't a threat.  There is nothing that they
can really do, as a collective, nor as individuals, to stop "us."  I
personally, view them much more with disdain than I do with any kind of
apprehension.  And the ones I disdain the most are the SHARP boys.  I
could have some respect for them if they weren't such yellow mamma's boys
in boots.  Hell, are any of 'em over 15?  I get the impression they just
want to look tough, and do their good deeds, like the boy-scout motto. 
I've no problem with trads, or non-political skins.  I'm actually good
friends with a few, which makes me an anomaly among my camp, who see
everyone who isn't WP as a commie, except for a few exceptions.  Sad but true.

Jason

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