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From kurtstele@aol.com Fri Aug 16 11:33:54 PDT 1996
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From: kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele)
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dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>Everything you write is tired old "revisionist" crap,
>some of it so stupid that even "revisionists" have
>given up on it. To elaborate:

>kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele) writes:

# The whole story is goofy:  shipping Jews across hell's half
# acre to put them "gas chambers."   

>One obvious reason was that the murder in the Euthanasia
>gas chambers in Germany was strongly protested by the
>population and the clergy. Hence, the attempt to
>hide it by transporting the victims to selected
>locations outside of Germany, where all the massive
>death camps were. Plus, most were Polish Jews who
>were killed not far from where they lived.

oh bullshit.  When Reinhard Heydrich was killed, the Nazis had no
compunction about wiping out an entire Czechloslovakian village.  When
they wanted to wipe a group a people out they simply did it.  Hitler's
purge during the night of the long knives was done in the open.  Hundred
of prisoners were summarily executed.  If the Reich afforded little
privacy to the execution of its own people, it certainly wouldn't have
afforded any to the avowed -enemies- of their people, the jews -- clergy
approval or no.

The Reich was doing all manner of activities the clergy didn't approve of.
Clergy approval never stopped the Reich.  "Clergy approval" certainly
wouldn't have compelled some goofy train-transportation scheme which
wasted precious German resources in transportation and inmate upkeep when
there were far more sensical ways to kill people.  

"Gee dad, and I thought the Nazis were trying to fight a war."  

># Stated plainly, it doesn't make sense.  

>Many historical events don't make sense. Stalin's murders
>don't make sense. Pol Pot's murder of a million or more
>of the elite of his nation doesn't make sense. You will
>have to find a better argument.

you missed it -- it "doesn't make sense" in that the holohoax story would
have been -absurdly inefficient:  not at all the way Stalin and Pol Pot's
exterminations were.  Now those exterminations, in contrast to the
"holocaust, made complete, plausible sense, i.e., they were done by the
obvious and efficient means of killing -- by bullet and/or starvation.  

With Stalin and Pol Pot, as opposed to the Holohoax, you had:

No trains.

No tattoos.

No insecticide.

No "death-camps."

No stories of jewish women cleaning stairs with their tongues.

In other words, no goofy bullshit.

Just killing.

If the Nazis wanted to exterminate the jews, they would have done so using
the most efficient means possible.  If they had wanted to gas the jews
they would have used the most efficient gas availabe -- not Zyklon B!  

Whenever the Nazis wanted to kill a group of people, whether it be French
resistance, or Czechoslovakians, or brownshirts, they did it the way every
other nation did it. They lined the people up and shot them dead.  

But you want people to believe the nazis created some idiotic, inefficient
scheme for killing jews?  

Must be that age-old jewish arrogance which fancies itself always entitled
to special treatment.  ;)

># Genocide everywhere in history is done by bullet or starvation
># because that is what is more efficient.  

>Says who? Why not save ammunition during war time? 

Good one, Keren.  Instead of using cheap bullets, let's use up our natural
resources in transporting Jews all over Europe.  And let's waste even
-more- resources in "deathcamp" maintenance, along with the infrastructure
resources it would entail.  

After all, they -were- trying to kill the jews.  

Yeah, that's it. Let's create a huge elaborate and costly transportation
and housing scheme, instead of using our ammunition. Yeah, that's it. 

How fucking dumb.

># I won't believe a kooky theory such as gas chambers
># when the Germans obviously had far more efficient methods 

>It was *extremely* efficient. A few Kgs of Zyklon killed
>2,000 people. And the stuff was available and very cheap.

Zyklon-B as opposed to several other gasses available at the time was
ridiculously inefficient.  

And I guess it is also just another coincidence that we have reams of
German documents that refer to Zyklon-B as insecticide.  

I guess it takes a holohugger to make insecticide into "death gas" and
crematoria into "ovens."  

># -- unless there is substantial and real evidence for such
># an anomaly.  But substantial and real evidence is precisely
># what the Holocausters -don't- have.  

>There's plenty of evidence, no less substantial and real than,
>say, the bombing of Dresden. 

You love comparing the Holocaust to Dresden, but the analogy is
inapposite.  For example, with Dresden we have the actual documents
authorizing the bombing. We don't have any with the Holocaust (except a
spurious document or two) to prove that the Reich's intent was to
exterminate the Jews systematically.  Such a plan would have left a
prodigious paper trail, but none was found.  Instead, we have evidence
showing something entirely different:  a labor camp.  You don't tatoo
someone you are going to exterminate -- no need to!  

Again, how fucking dumb.

Virtually -noone- doubts Dresden.  Yet there is growing movement of doubt
about the holocaust.  Also, one is permitted to doubt Dresden to the
heavens, but noone is permitted to doubt the holocaust.  People are
getting wise the suspicious nature of the Holohoax.

"Enforced orthodoxy is indicative of a theory that possesses little
merit."  

Furthemore, noone is trying to supress the doubters of Dresden. Yet there
are powerful jewish forces that suppress and criminalize free speech in
Germany, and imprison revisionists. The international holocaust lobby
undoubtedly would like nothing better than to impose its Orwellian
thoughtcontrol in America.  

These holohuggers are straight out of the fucking dark ages -- the enemies
of free thought if there ever were.  They want to impose some Byzantine,
medieval faith upon us, by force.  

That sort of thoughtcontrol may be OK in Israel, but we Whites want the
truth.  

># Aside from serious evidentiary contradictions (the structures
># of the so-called gas chambers, 

>Huh? What is this rubbish? What are the "contradictions"
>regarding the structure of the gas chambers?

Those inmate facilities weren't gas chambers.  The design of the buildings
were inadequate for your silly gas chambers  

># Zyklon B is an insecticide, etc), 

>An insecticide which releases HCN, cyanide gas which is used
>for 50 years or so to execute people in US prisons.

yeah, and Raid has arsenic in it but only a moron would try to use Raid to
try to kill large groups of people systematically.  Especially when the
"extermination" involves the large cost of housing and transporting
people, when all is needed are just a some bullets.  A bomb could have
wiped out hundreds at a time.  

Obviously, something else was going on here -- a labor camp.

DUH.

Even if -each bullet- costed fifty cents a piece (a bullet costs a minute
fraction of that), killing jews by shooting them would have been far more
efficient.

But instead you want me to believe that "Raid" was used, and that it was
all a big plot to wipe out the Jews using insecticide, using buildings
that couldn't have functioned as gas chambers.  

So:  why don't you tell me another one.

># and some highly suspicious testimony, 

>Which you will have for every historical event. Or haven't
>you seen yet those testimonies about Dresden?

Again, the difference between Dresden testimony and Holocaust testimony is
that the latter is patently implausible.  Showers as gas chambers?  Ovens
as crematoria?  Extermination by costly death-camps instead of shooting
them or starving them?  

Give me a break.  Sounds like more Hollywood to me.

There is nothing implausible about the firestorm at Dresden -- it was an
incendiary reaction, perfectly plausible.  There are no anomalies involved
in the physical event of Dresden, no goofy shit.  But the in the holocause
we have quite a different scenario.

However, even if Dresden -didn't- happen-,  the Germans don't have a
"financial interest" in making other people believe in and feel guilty
about Dresden, the way the jews have a great financial interest in making
others believe in and feel guilty about the Great Holohock.  

The jews' political/financial windfall from it, which has yielded monetary
rewards in the -billions-, makes the holohokum even -more- suspicious. 
More and more people are beginning to realize this.  It is a huge,
unparalled swindle.

But I do agree that you holohuggers definitely need to keep suppressing us
Holocaust doubters with harrassment and imprisonment if you have any hope
of keeping your little Holocaust story from crumbling.  Because if the
world at large ever understood how ridiculous your tale is, and for a
moment grasped its patent absurdity, the Holohoax would be summarily
discarded.  

What you holohuggers don't realize is that your suppression and oppression
of revisionists, your evictions from websites, your jewish money power
applied to silence others, your legal and physical terrorism, and your
attempts to stifle free debate are just causing the revisionist movement
to grow, and also alerting others to the stink of the Holocaust story,
which is quite smelly..

># Given the brutality which many German officers either were
># subjected to or threatened with under Allied custody pending
># the Nuremberg trial, 

>Garbage. Moreover so since most of the SS-men from the
>death camps were tried by the German Legal System. You
>don't even know this, right?

yeah, the so-called "German Legal system."  Of course the Allies had
-nothing- to do with that apparatus by the war's end, right?  And I'm sure
they got a fair trial, just like at Nuremberg, too

># along with the lack of evidence for the alleged millions
># of death (ashes not found), 

>Ashes and human remains in large quantities were actually
>found in some of the camps. Now, show me the corpses/ashes
>of two million Germans who allegedly died while being
>evacuated into Germany after the war.

The point you keep missing over and over is that the deaths of Germans at
Dresden and after the war were not from -implausible- causes, the way the
alleged "deaths" of the holohoax victims were.  There is nothing
implausible about masses of Germans starving from deliberate Allied/Soviet
design.  There is nothing inherently suspicious about those circumstances.
 

However, there -is- much inherently suspicious about your (fantasy) tale
of disguised shower heads, and insecticide, and extermination by
"deathcamps,"  and secret extermination plans that everyone about knew but
nobody talked about, and Germans who were too dumb to use bullets but too
smart to have their "Extermination plan" discovered. 

C'mon guys.  Just admit it.

>No excuses. SHOW ME THEIR CORPSES. Or admit it's a hoax.
>That's your line.

>Let's see you clowns play this game.

see the above

># along with the structural impossibilities of the so-called 'gas
># chambers' (would have killed the German soldiers themselves), 

>More outright garbage. There ARE cyanide traces on the walls of 
>these gas chambers. Even the "revisionists" agree cyanide gas was 
>used in them.

yeah, and not in anywhere near the traces which could support a finding
they were used as gas chambers.  But, ODDLY ENOUGH, the traces -do-
support the finding that they came from delousing fugimant.  Gee.  

But holohuggers are notorious for obstinately refusing to connect the
dots. There's still too much money to be made in Shoah

Kurt Stele







From kurtstele@aol.com Fri Aug 16 13:30:40 PDT 1996
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From: kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele)
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Subject: Re: Jews Run Everything
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rost@ewald.physics.wisc.edu (ROST) wrote:

>Just look back at the history: all BIG things that happened last couple
hundred
>years were done by Jews or with their assistance.  Jews aren't good or
bad,

I agree.  The -real- question is whether the jews are "good or bad" in
relation to another race.  Judging from the jewish effect on the White
race, jews are definitely -bad- for the White race.  

The Jews dominate the media.  The media espouses cosmopolitanism,
race-mixing (except their own, of course), unlimited third world
immigration, and of course, the great Holohoax guilt-cash cow.  

Of course, they always deny this.  

Just look at the way the jew hollohuggers on this newgroup defend third
world immigrants.  They think we should let every third world biped and
their fourth cousin into America, which is pretty much what is happening.

>they are just smart enough to do things other people can't.   

No, they're just clever enough to fool the goy.  

But we're starting to wake up.  : )

>Moreover, they are smart enough not to do it themselves, but to make
other >people work instead.  

which is exactly why they have been considered parasites in every white
homeland they've ever inhabited

>Sometimes I wish I was a Jew... Hell, no! I like pork too much! :-)

No silly, the "Jewish religion" is just a facade for their
culture/nationality. Most Jews aren't religious in the least. 
  
You fell for it.

You also probably believe there were gas chambers at Aushwitz.

Kurt Stele


From kurtstele@aol.com Fri Aug 16 13:30:42 PDT 1996
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From: kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele)
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Subject: Re: Jews Run Everything
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paalde@stud.cs.uit.no (The Last Viking) wrote:

>Stardate Sun, 11 Aug 1996 18:59:06 -0400, Jim Marro wrote in alt.flame: 
>:> I don't know about Jews running EVERYTHING, but shure as shinola they 
>:> run everything that's wrong with America. Mr. bronfman being a prime 
>:> suspect.

>I don't think that mr. pissed bonehead was refering to runing things in
your
>sence. What he meant was that Jews are usually good mechanics, and hence,
>they're able to make almost every car run, even if it seems ruined when
it is
>delivered to Ford..

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some viking


From kurtstele@aol.com Fri Aug 16 13:30:43 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Jews Run Everything
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dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>Chuck: re "Ira ", and his  
>"you goyim are to fucking stupid too": this is
>most probably the same little nazi-boy who forged
>articles before on soc.culture.german, pretending
>to be a Jew.

>Perhaps someone can check if this address really
>exists ("Israel.com").

A jew shows his true colors and Keren and Ferree are scrambling to do
damage control.

Kurt Stele



From kurtstele@aol.com Mon Aug 19 16:02:31 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: "Diversity" -- Anti-White Code Word
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rich@c2.org (Rich Graves) wrote:

>Kenya, South Africa, Brazil, and Costa Rica are a few examples of places
>where the majority of human beings are non-"White" and where racial and
>ethnic diversity is progressing. 

yeah, ethnic diversity in those countries is "progressing" and yet nothing
there in the way of civilization is.

what a coincidence.

Kurt Stele


From kurtstele@aol.com Mon Aug 19 16:02:32 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Jews Run Everything
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schwartz@infinet.com wrote:

>In article <4v07f7$3ue@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt
>Stele) wrote:

>> Just look at the way the jew hollohuggers on this newgroup defend third
>> world immigrants.  They think we should let every third world biped and
>> their fourth cousin into America, which is pretty much what is
happening.
>> 

>Kurt:
> 
>Please provide *any* credible evidence for the above statement.
> 
>Since this group is for the discussion of Holopcaust revisionism, I can't
>imagine why people would be discussing third-world immigration.
> 
>In fact, in the (almost) two years I have participated in these
>discussions, I cannot remember *any* discussions of the kind you refer
to.
> 
>Your friend Matt Giwer says:
> 
>"He who makes a claim bears the responsibility of supporting it." (Matt
Giwer)

>Please prove your claim or retract it. Otherwise, we'll be forced to
>assume you're just a troll. Serious people don't make assertions without
>facts; trolls do it all the time.
> 
>Sara

>-- 
>"It's always nice to see a prejudice overruled by a deeper prejudice."
>    John Sayles, _Lone Star_

Sara,

I have noticed a distinct bias by jewish holohuggers on alt.revisionism in
favor of racial equality and third world immigration for months.  However,
the 3 examples I cite below were posted just in the last 2 days.  

On the one hand, it really shouldn't be necessary to "prove" that the
jewish holohuggers are typically egalitarian.  How many jew holohuggers on
alt.revisionism (or anywhere else for that matter) have expressed the
opinion that the races are -not- equal?  One who believes the races are
equal is logically committed to favoring third world immigration into
America, and typically favors the dismantling of all national and racial
boundaries (except for Israel's of course).  Since I specifically
mentioned Jewish holohuggers, and since jewish holohuggers typically favor
racial equality, ipso facto most jewish holohuggers favor third
immigration.

But even though most jewish holohuggers I notice at least profess a belief
in racial equality, such a belief isn't necessary for jew to have an
interest in continued third immigration. Even the jewish holohugger that
-isn't- egalitarian, such as the jewish supremacist, (Exhibit 4) still has
interest in seeing third world immigration into America and Europe.  The
jewish supremacist typically sees the jews as one race, and the goyim (all
other races) as another.  It therefore follows by his reasoning that third
world immigration and race-mixing does no harm.  Furthermore, jews
typically feel threatened by the racial feelings and solidarity present in
a racially homogenous society; also, many jews realize, either consciously
or unconsciously, that a racially polluted and subverted society is far
easier dominated by racially-conscious and associated jews.  The jews
working together have, for example, succeeded in dominating entire
industries, such as Hollywood and most areas of the media.  Furthermore,
this has occurred in -several- countries.  

But since you are a holohugger and by definition have difficulty drawing
logical evidentiary conclusions, I have for you some "exhibits":  the
first one is a questionaire I would like -you- to be complete.  

Exhibit I:

1)  Sara, are you Jewish?  (Schwartz is now typically Jewish)

2)  Sara, do you believe the races are equal?  Yes or no.

3)  Do you believe third world immigrants should be allowed to continue
flooding America?

4)  Why don't you come up with a list of jewish holohuggers who have
expressed the opinion that the races -aren't- equal.  Don't worry, if you
take more than a day on this assignment, I won't claim in classic
holohugger-style that you have conceded defeat.  I'll give you a whole
week on it, and even extend the deadline upon a show of good cause.

5)  While you're at it, Sara, why don't you go ahead and show me your
evidence that the typical jewish holohugger -doesn't- believe the races
are equal, nor favors third world immigration.  

Exhibit II:

On 8/15/96 3:06 p.m. pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu (Philip Kasiecki) wrote:

>bob whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
>:      Nobody is pouring into poor, totalitarian, disease-ridden, 
>: starving Africa.
>:      Nobody is pouring into Asia.
>:      Nobody is asking either majority-black or 
>: majority-Mongoloid countries to become "diverse".
>:      This is strictly for white majority countries.

>    This is the same bullshit you continue to post.  Well, I guess it's
>not my fault you're so hard-headed and don't have a clue...
>    Bob, you know why so many people come to the US, as opposed to other
>places?  There is no better place for people to explore their potential.
>I challenge anyone to find another country with the kind of opportunity
>as there is in the US.  That's not to say the US is some God-like
>country; the US has a shitload of problems, but there isn't a better
>place right now for people to come to try and pursue their dream(s) in
>life.  This has *NOTHING* to do with a desire for diversity in a
>majority White country, you dimwit.

>:       Those who demand "diversity" or call for a "solution to 
>: the so-called race problem" do not have to say they are aiming 
>: at all white majority countries, and only white majority 
>: countries.  We all know that.
>:        Those who say they are anti-racist or pro-diversity are 
>: demanding the Final Solution to the the "race" problem in the 
>: form of massive immigration and integration.   This applies 
>: nowhere but in white countries.  

>    You, as usual, are wrong.  The "race" problem is simply that of
>mistreating people because of their "racial" background.  Racism
>encompasses more than that, but that's the primary "race" problem.  I
>don't know about others, but when I say that I'm pro-diversity, I'm
>saying that people should embrace the diversity that we have here.  The
>US is probably the most diverse nation in the world, but few people
>recognize this as a blessing; rather, people think it's a problem. 
>Let's be honest; if the world had just one kind of person, life would be
>pretty boring.  That in mind, it brings to mind another pet peeve I have
>with you, and the other White supremacists here- diversity encompasses
>more than just "race"- it also encompasses gender, sexual orientation,
>religion, people with disabilities, and others.  What you're talking
>about is just as bad as when you and others banter on about liberals as
>being only anti-racist, when there's really much more to being liberal
>than that (and I might add that I'm not liberal in several facets).

>:        "Diversity" is the Final Solution to the White Problem.

>    Bullshit.

>        Phil Kasiecki

>--
>Philip T. Kasiecki
>Electrical and Computer Engineering
>Northeastern University Class of 1999


Exhibit III:  

On 8/16/96 at 6:08 a.m. mschnei1@isd.net wrote:

>In article <32143F44.7BE3@vegas.infi.net>, The Generalissimo
> wrote:

>> Just because people feel that there are better opportunities in the US 
>> does not give them the right to sneak into this country.

>   But of course: No that you're here, no one else will be allowed in.
God
>forbid they work harder than you for less and make you look lousy by
>comparison.

>   Go away, national socialist.

>-- 
>SSN - NONE!    http://www.ime.net/none/index.html
>-----------
>"Impending doom takes all the fun out of decadent living!" - Yago



Exhibit IV (jewish supremacist):

On 8/15/96 at 4:22 a.m. Ira  wrote:

> Hiltler was an ass who got his ass kicked. We Jews run 
>everything,because you goyim are to fucking stupid too. God chose us
>as his people and the rest as beasts. 

>Ira

>Greater Israel# 1

--------------------------end exhibits----------------------------

But I realize the above citations weren't even necessary.  According to
holohuggers, eyewitness testimony alone is adequate for credibility.
Therefore, I need only have said "I saw jewish holohuggers favoring third
world immigration on alt.revisionism" or even "I heard that jewish
holohuggers on alt.revisionism typically favor third world immigration"
and it would have been sufficient.

Holohuggers love to concoct an absurdity and then demand you disprove it.
Depending on the demand, this can require an entire library, a forensic
lab, access to a private jet, a time machine, or the complete archive of
alt.revisionism.  

Fortunately, however, the holohugger absurdity can usually be exposed by
inductive reasoning.

Kurt Stele



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>>Ira  wrote:

>>Hil\tler was an ass who got his ass kicked. We Jews run
>>everything,because you goyim are to fucking stupid too. God
>>chose us as his people and the rest as beasts.

Alec Grynspan 1:2424/13 wrote:

>Can someone checks this? Is there really such a domain
>as "Israel.com", or this another nazi-boy pretending to
>be a Jew? We've seen this before.
>
>Another Nazi-boy pretending to be a Jew.
>
>It's bogus.
>

yeah?  well prove it then

Why should anyone think Mr. Ira  is "another nazi-boy
pretending to be a jew" instead of an -actual- jew?

All Mr. Epstein is doing is just spouting the essence of the Jewish
religion as clearly outlined in both the Talmud and Old Testament:

"The Jews are the master race, and the goyim are dogs."  

This attitude should be apparent to anyone what the slightest knowledge of
jewish hypocrisy:

1)  "We want to mix -your- race, but keep -ours- separate."

2)  "We want to racially integrate and diversify -your- nation and race,
but keep -our- Israeli borders inviolable."

3)   "We denounce the Holo(hoax) but we continue to brutalize Palestinian
men, women, and children."

Well, I for one think Mr. Ira  is a jew.  He's just a
little more honest than most of you holohugger-types.  Probably from
living in Israel so long.  

One tends to get brave after battening off all those US subsidies to
Israel, ya know

You better e-mail Mr. Epstein and tell him to calm it down, lest he wake
any goyim up

Kurt Stele


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From: kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele)
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References:  wrote:

>On 15 Aug 1996, Kurt Stele wrote:

>> schwartz@infinet.com wrote:
>> 
>> >Are you calling this former SS man [Franz Suchomel, as filmed in
>Claude Lanzmann's _Shoah_] a liar?

>> why don't you prove he -wasn't- lying?

>Please read the book or rent the film _Shoah_.  You will see that
>Suchomel is being interviewed by Claude Lanzmann, the director of the
>film, and is speaking of his own free will, in the early 1980s.  Suchomel
>spoke to Lanzmann under one condition: that Lanzmann would not reveal his
>identity.  Other than breaking that promise (Lanzmann shows Suchomel's
>face and identifies him by name), the interviews involved no trickery:
>Lanzmann did not torture Suchomel, Suchomel was not being prosecuted, and
>no courts were involved.  All the film shows is a former Nazi guard,
>speaking freely because he thinks he will be anonymous, telling of what
he
>did during the war.

>Do you still want to call him a liar?

Yes. 

I'm calling him a liar.  

You can pay anyone to say anything -- especially given the money-power of
the jews.  

Holocaust contains within it a tortured host of circumstantial and
evidentiary contradictions, impossibilities, and absurdities (disguised
showerheads, Zyklon B "the insecticide," crematoria as "ovens,"
the-transport-tag-house-and-then-gas rather than just shoot 'em"
allegation, the "any old barnhouse can be a gas chamber!" hypothesis, the
everybody knew about the holocaust plan yet nobody ever wrote it down"
theory, etc, etc, ad infinitum, ad nauseam)  

Yet all the holohoax has to back it up is eyewitness testimony -- and even
that being from -interested- witnesses, and at an ex post facto court of
"justice."

Well, judging from the circumstances as a whole,

 that ain't shit.

Kurt Stele



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fresh@panix.com (Andrew Mathis) wrote:

>>Ira  wrote:

>>>fresh@panix.com (Andrew Mathis) wrote:
>>---  ---
>>>
>>> Yup, she is a bitch and and filth. Then again all germans are filth.
>>>
>>> Ira
>>>
>>J.S. Bach * W.A. Mozart 

>Mozart was insane, a neglectful husband, a drunk.

>>* Emmanual Kant *

>died a virgin

>> Leibnitz * Robert Schumann *
>>Friedrich Nietzsche * Oswald Spengler 

>was a racist.

>>* Max Plank * K.F. Gauss * all
>>the Strausses * W. Roentgen * F.v.Schiller * Gustav Klimt * Beethoven
>>* Thomas & Heinrich Mann * Johannes Brahms * R. Wagner 

>don't even get me started on Wagner...

>>* Husserl * D.
>>Bonhoeffer * Meister Eckhardt * A. Duerer * M. Gruenewald * H. Holbein
>>* W.v.Braun 

>A Nazi.

>>* Carl Orff * W. Busch * W. Heisenberg * W. Gropius * FJ
>>Haydn * Schubert * Goethe * Konrad Lorenz * Karl Jung 

>A Nazi sympathizer

>>* Wilhelm Tell *

>Who apparently found it sporting to shoot apples off his kids' heads.

>>ETA Hoffmann * Peter Behrens * T. Billroth * H. Schuetz * F.v.Hayek *
>>L. Riefenstahl 

>Nazi filmmaker

>>* Max Mueller * O. Daimler-K. Benz * G. Hauptmann * E.
>>Rommel 

>Nazi Field Marshall

>>* K. Barth * M. Niemueller * Albertus Magnus * Hroswitha * The
>>Grimm Bros. * Messier * A. Schweitzer * F. Duerrenmatt * Lessing * M.
>>Heidigger 

>A Nazi.

>>*  Hegel * A. Schopenhauer * Max Weber * Otto Hahn *

>>.... merely the tip of the iceberg, you revolting cretin!

>Indeed.

>=================================================================

>What's new with Frente?--http://www.nj.com/maxwells/july96/frente.html

>The Homepage that made Milwaukee famous--http://pages.nyu.edu/~aem0608

>"Peyno derech Hashem"
>--Yeshayahu 40:3


another holohugger with no appreciation for culture

Kurt Stele


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anny@ix.netcom.com(Annie Alpert) wrote:

>In article <4v07f7$3ue@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, kurtstele@aol.com
>(Kurt>>Stele) wrote: Just look at the way the jew hollohuggers on
>this newgroup defend third world immigrants.  They think we should
>let every third world biped and their fourth cousin into America,
>which is pretty much what is happening.

>Kurt, your argument is specious at best.  Since 'most' Jews on AR
>beleive in racial equality, therefore ALL anti-Holocaust deniers
>beleive in unfettered third world immigration?  Give me a break!  

I asserted I found a bias in favor of third world immigration demonstrated
by -jewish- holohuggers.  

I also said jewish holohuggers on alt.revisionism are "typically
egalitarian" although the real number is probably 99.995%.  Of course
being a holohugger you'll probably claim that the .005% is statistically
significant.

Jewish holohuggers on alt.revisionism typically favor third world
immigration, except for the nation of Israel, of course: 

"What's sauce for the goy is -not- necessarily sauce for the gander."

What is more, the media, which is jewish-dominated, has an obvious bias in
-favor- of third world immigration. The media is of course highly
influential. Therefore, a powerful jewish-dominated influence in America
(the media) -favors- third world immigration.

By asserting the jewish holohuggers on alt.revisionism typically favor
third world immigration I merely did the equivalent of asserting the sky
is blue.

But since you're so hung up about it, why don't you produce a list of the
jew holohuggers on alt.revisionism who -oppose- third world immigration
into America, and why.

I'll be waiting.

You can even start new a thread up:  "Jewish holohuggers on
alt.revisionism who oppose third world immigration into America reply
HERE!  Please cite your reasons."

You probably won't get many takers, because jewish holohuggers on
alt.revisionism typically favor third world immigration into America.  

>That's like saying since many five-year-olds like apple juice, all
>children like oranges because oranges are fruit.  

It's more like saying "many five-year-olds like fruit; therefore, they
-also- like oranges because oranges are fruit."

Kurt Stele


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mstein@access5.digex.net (Michael P. Stein) wrote:

>In article <4v336r$423@newsbf02.news.aol.com>,

>Kurt Stele  wrote:

>>>>Hil\tler was an ass who got his ass kicked. We Jews run
>>>>everything,because you goyim are to fucking stupid too. God
>>>>chose us as his people and the rest as beasts.

>>All Mr. Epstein is doing is just spouting the essence of the Jewish
>>religion as clearly outlined in both the Talmud and Old Testament:
>>
>>"The Jews are the master race, and the goyim are dogs."

>    All you are doing is spouting the essence of your poisoned soul.  I
>don't suppose you can find a reference for that quote above?  I thought
>not.

Here's modest sampling for ya:

>From  the Talmud:

"Heaven and earth were created only for the sake of the jewish people." 
(Vayikra Rabba 36)  

"You (the jews) are human beings, but the nations of the world (goyim) and
not human beings, but beasts." (Baba Mezia, 114b).  

"Yahweh created the non-Jew in human form so that the Jews would not have
to be served by beasts.  The non-Jew is consequently an animal in human
form, and condemned to serve the jews day and night."  (Midrasch Talpioth,
225-L).  

>From  the Old Testament:

"For the nation and kingdom that refuses to serve you (Israel) shall
perish, such nations shall be utterly ruined." (Isaiah 60:12).  

>>This attitude should be apparent to anyone what the slightest knowledge
of
>>jewish hypocrisy:
>>
>>1)  "We want to mix -your- race, but keep -ours- separate."

>    Sorry to prick your balloon, but the hot air really does need to
>escape.  In my synagogue are several blacks and a woman who is Chinese. 
>Judaism is a religion which _happens_ to be practiced overwhelmingly by
>members of one ethnic group, but anyone can convert.  (Well, not
_anyone_,
>but I don't think there are any Moabites left.) 

A few token goyim in a temple congregation here and there doesn't refute
the facts that jews -as a whole- have repeatedly demonstrated the general
desire to keep themselves separate.  

The jews want to keep Israel for the jews, and the jews only.  Yet jews in
America and in the media condemn as "racist" those who wish to keep third
world immigrants out of America.  

Again, one rule for jews, another rule for the goy.  The hypocrisy is
obvious

>>2)  "We want to racially integrate and diversify -your- nation and race,
>>but keep -our- Israeli borders inviolable."

>    How do you explain the fact that one of the most Orthodox,
>Talmud-hugging groups of Jews, the Neturei Karta, is opposed to the
>existence of the state of Israel?  There are in fact non-Zionist Jews.  I
>do not consider myself a Zionist, though I am not anti-Israel the way the
>NK are.

Once again you are trying to cite an exception to refute the rule.  The
jews -in power- in Israel -want- exclusive immigration policies, as do the
jewish media establishment in America (and probably all other European
countries also I'm sure).  Israel's immigration policies are almost never
criticized in the media.  

It's the opinion of the -jews in power- and in the majority that is
significant -- not the opinion of an individual such as yourself or a
minority faction here and there.  
Both the jews in power and probably the majority of jews favor Israel's
exclusive immigration policies.  Yet the jews criticize and condemn
-anyone- who favors the same exclusive immigration policies for America.

>>3)   "We denounce the Holo(hoax) but we continue to brutalize
Palestinian
>>men, women, and children."

>    That the Israeli government has been brutal I do not deny.  But many
>Jews (including myself) are opposed to such policies.  You hold all Jews
>responsible for the actions of some.  

Why not?  The jews hold the Germans collectively responsible.  The jewish
establishment has extorted -billions- of marks from the German countries
based on a collective guilt principle -- and all for a hoax, to boot.  In
contrast  the on-going Israeli brutalization of the Palestinian people is
a -real- holocaust

>Should I hold all Germans responsible for the actions of some?

Like I said, in the larger sense it is not important what you Michael
Stein individually hold or do not hold. What is far more significant is
that -the jewish establishment at large- already hold the Germans
responsible for the (falsely alleged) actions of some.  And they continue
to extort money from the Germans based on the Holohoax.

So where is your condemnation for your fellow jews for having held the
Germans collectively responsible, and extorting billions of dollars from
them, and perpetually imposing on them a false guilt?

>Mike Stein			The above represents the Absolute Truth.
>POB 10420			Therefore it cannot possibly be the
official
>Arlington, VA  22210		position of my employer.

unless your employer is revisionist
 
Kurt Stele


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schwartz@infinet.com wrote:

>In article <3217B79B.6CF3@vegas.infi.net>, The Generalissimo
> wrote:

>> Thank you sara.  This makes great sense to me.  However you were wrong 
>> about the responses I got!!!!  Wow most people I was answered by were 
>> calling me names and saying things like, "It was exclusively jews, Get 
>> lost racist".
> 
>I'm truly sorry to hear that.

I'm sorry to hear that too;

so are the people now sitting in German jail or who have spent time in
jail for having so much as doubted the Holy Hollowcause, 

along with numerous German soldiers tried and executed in kangaroo courts
for bogus crimes, 

as well as professors and professionals fired for in insisting on the
freedom of historical inquiry, 

as well as several geriatric former German soldier hounded to the ends of
the earth by frenzied and rabid jews screaming for their blood, 

-- all based on a Lie.
 
>You must understand, however, that this is an extremely emotional issue
to
>many poeple (and _I_ admit I can be one of them sometimes!).

Gee do ya think emotion has at all clouded the reasoning of the
holohuggers (assuming they had reasoning capacity to begin with),
rendering them incapable of tolerating disbelief to their orthodoxy?

>There are many of us who have lost relatives in the Holocaust, and there
>are many "revisionists" who have mocked those deaths.

Or rather, many who have been so imprudent as to demand -real- evidence
for those deaths which holohuggers have repeatedly failed to produce,
despite the substantial guilt-money they have extorted for their fish
tale.
 
>Matt Giwer, for instance, insists that you "cannot mourn something you
>never had" (or words to that effect). He has "informed" us that we have a
>problem because we mourn the deaths of relations we did not personally
>know.

You may know of a relative "killed in Europe during WWII" -- but who
doesn't? Your burden is to prove the Holohoax -happened-, that the gas
chambers existed and functioned, that the Reich had a plan to deliberately
exterminate jews and that they in fact did it. The positive evidence for
your Holohoax theory on the whole is at best threadbare and contradicts
the overwhelming weight of the evidence which points to an entirely
different conclusion -- labor camps, not death camps.
 
>There are a lot of trolls here who enjoy saying things like, "Hitler
>didn't do a good enough job." There are a lot of Jew-haters here.

but far more are those whom the holohuggers have reflexively labelled "jew
haters" for heresy in questioning the Holy Hoax.
 
>And there are some people who ask reasonable questions in a reasonable
>way. I try, whenever possible, to respond to those reasonable people --
IN
>PUBLIC -- so that they won't be afraid to continue discussions.

Holohuggers can speak in public because they aren't in danger of reprisal,
harrassment, or imprisonment for their belief.  Gee, how brave of you
holohuggers to speak in public. You guys are regular Ernst Zundels.
 
>I've also received my share of hate e-mail, believe me. I throw it all
>away, and refuse to debate ANYONE via e-mail. If people want to discuss
>these issues, we can ALL do it by the light of day, in public.

Although the revisionist who speaks out publicly can stand to lose his
job, unlike the holohugger, at least in the U.S. -legally- he can still
openly express doubt about the Holohoax.  These people are the epitome of
tolerance ain't they?

>Again, I am sorry you received some unpleasant mail. It does happen.
>Believe it or not, there are lots of people -- on BOTH sides of this
issue
>-- who can be jerks at times.

A holohugger unpleasant?  
 
>If you have other questions, please post them here.

ok
 
>Sara

my first question: why are holohuggers are so irrational

Kurt Stele


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dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele) writes:

># OH. And I'm sure the nazis who were at war on 2 fronts
># had -nothing better- to do with all of this allegedly
># -confiscated jewish money than to invest it into a needless 
># inter-continental train transportation scheme to transport 
># jews

>But the "revisionist" argument is that they *did* transport
>them, deep into the USSR, thus wasting *more* resources
>than by transporting them to the death camps.

Those transportations of jews is proof of -relocation- not extermination
and does not help the holohugger position one bit. Holohuggers yet have to
come up with a semi-plausible explanation why an army supposedly trying to
exterminate jews would go through the absurd rigmarole of transporting
them in trains hundreds of miles away to camps to supposedly be killed
there.  It's all so absurd.

>The fact is that these people *were* transported. No question
>about that. Do you want to suggest *where* they were
>transported to?

to the labor camps

># Obviously the camp were being run for a different reason
># than to kill (much less "gas") jews, i.e., a labor camp.

>Ah, there we go again with the "labor camp" that has five
>huge crematoriums with 52 cremation furnaces. Don't deny
>this, your fuehrers accept this as fact.

now which one(s) are you referring to:  the little crematorium at Aushwitz
which was far too small to cremate the holohoax's alleged millions?

Or are you referring to structures that were "rebuilt" by the Allies after
the war?

Of course, the Allies would have -no interest- in making the Germans look
bad or anything

># supposedly did medical experiments on jews,

>That's a new one. So far, "revisionists" didn't deny the
>medical experiments (not only on Jews, BTW). These are
>extremely well-documented. I recall even Ernst Zundel
>admitted they took place. There was, in fact, a 
>difficult debate among doctors whether to use the
>results of these experiments. 

let's go ask Zundel.

Or is he still in jail yet because holohuggers like you are able to
criminalize his freedom of speech

># Yet according to holohugger Mike Curtis these same
># "evil nazis" who supposedly were trying to exterminate 
># jews were "too sensitive" to kill them by simply 
># shooting them. 

>According to various sources, including Ohlendorf, there
>were soldiers who found it difficult to shoot point blank
>at women and children. 

yes -- too squeamish to pull a trigger but according to you able to force
women to clean the stairs with their tongues and bayonet babies.  

gee that's kind of inconsistent don'tcha think

I think if the nazis wanted the jews dead they would have shot them dead
the way the nazis executed anyone they wanted dead.  

Obviously the nazis -didn't- do that.

Your holohugger story about gas chambers and Zyklon B is unsubstantiated
bull.

The jews got rounded up and sent away from society where the German Reich
didn't want them and into labor camps to do some honest work.  The nazis
fed and generally took care of them and deloused the place with Zyklon B
because the nazis wanted the inmates to be free of lice.  Then Germany
collapsed and conditions deteriorated and a lot of inmates died from
Typhus.  Then the Allies freed the camps and saw a bunch of sick and
starving people, which was the the same conditions everwhere else in
Germany at that time due to the Allies policy of total warfare.  

Then after the war the jews enacted revenge on their former captors, put
them on trial, tortured several of them, executed several of them, and
killed many more through starvation and various forms of deliberate
maltreatment. The jews and Soviets at Nuremberg, looking to trump up the
charges against their German prisoners, decided to turn Zyklon B into
"homicidal gas" and get even -more- revenge against the Germans.  The
Germans at that point were helpless of course which is why Nuremberg was
such a joke of justice. Subsequently the jews were able to use the "gas
chamber" allegation to gain billions of marks in reparations which they
have used to fund the Israeli bandit-state and beat up and disenfranchise
Arabs, etc., etc. 

So that's basically how the holohoax happened.

>No one's saying all Germans were
>animals. I'm just saying all you nazi-boys are animals,
>because you live in a society which guides you in the
>correct direction, and you chose to follow evil nontheless.

So I think the Holohoax is evil:  we should have history based upon truth
rather than some unsubstantiated hollywood hokum about "gas chambers"
imposed by the victors on a vanquished nation after WWII, providing a
windfall for the jews.  

>A Hans Stark, a Walter Burmeister, etc, could claim
>at his defense that he was brainwashed by the evil Nazi
>regime. He was told, since he was a child, that various
>categories of people are vermin and should be killed; he
>didn't know any better.

kind of like the kids of today gettin' brainwashed at school with the
Holohoax

>You damned animals, on the other hand, were never told
>this. You *chose* this view of the universe. 
>It's your right. But it's our right, nazi-boy, to defend ourselves
>with any means possible, should you animals try to have
>another go at it. 

If I was a -real- nazi as opposed the nazi the holohugger has created I
would be seeking to -relocate- jews not exterminate them. And that is what
the nazis -tried- to do as a way to solve the age-old recurring problems
caused by jews living within European societies. 

The Germans were -trying- to achieve what the jews have already succeeded
in achieving today with the state of Israel:  the German wanted their
-own- country, one in which -they- not jews were in control.  Hitler
rightly surmised that the jews opposed and obstructed this natural desire
of the German people so Hitler decided the jews should be separated from
them.  The reason why the jews were opposed to a unified Germany is
because the jews wanted to dominate Germany much like the jews dominate
the media and much of the government today. 

The jews projected "extermination" onto their German captors because that
is the way the jews typically deal with their enemies as evidenced by the
Old Testament: to -exterminate- every man, woman, and child just like the
Israelis did to an Arab town some years back.  

But the nazis weren't looking to -exterminate- the jews. Otherwise there
wouldn't be all these old jews with tatoos on their arms living in Miami
Beach gabbing about how they survived -5- "deathcamps" and sucking marks
off the German government.

Kurt Stele


From kurtstele@aol.com Mon Aug 19 16:02:39 PDT 1996
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rich@c2.org (Rich Graves) wrote:

>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

>In article <4v840v$5vc@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, kurtstele@aol.com
>(Kurt Stele) wrote:

>> If they allowed free speech on the Holohoax to go unpunished by
existing
>> medieval thoughtcrime laws or unharrassed by jewish money-power then
the
>> entire Holohoax would eventually crash to the ground.

>Yes, just imagine what would happen if there was a newsgroup dedicated to
>"Holocaust Revisionism."

AND the holohuggers would -allow- it to be a revisionist newsgroup instead
of trying to continually preempt the forum with their holohokum

>Just imagine what would happen if the "Institute for Historical Review"
>were able to publish books.

AND it was allowed in the mainstream press the same as holohugger books
are.  Witness the cancellation of David Irving's recent book about
Goebbels because of jewish money-power

>Just imagine what would happen if "Revisionists" like David Cole were to
>present their case on national TV shows like "48 Hours."

AND also -wouldn't- be followed by a holohugging media flunkie instructing
the impressionable viewer as to the politically correct way to "interpret"
what he just saw

>Just imagine what would happen if leading "Revisionists" like Mark Weber
>were interviewed on MSNBC.

AND revisionists were given media airtime -comparable- to that given to
the holohuggers, who propagandize in movies, TV, and academia -- instead
of just allowing the revisionists to be heard from once in a blue moon, if
even then

>Just imagine what would happen if "Revisioinists" like CODOH, the IHR,
>Zuendel, and the "European Student Union" had web sites accessible to the
>entire world.

AND they weren't continually kicked off the internet by jewish holohugger
pressure

>Just imagine what would happen if Ingrid's "Zundelgrams" were posted
>daily, unedited, to public forums.

AND revisionism wasn't deliberately associated by the media with hate

>Just imagine what would happen if people like Nizkor, www.nizkor.org,
>archived the postings of "Revisionists" so that anyone could read them,
>anonymously, at their leisure.

AND revisionism wasn't deliberately associated by the media with hate

>Surely the truth would come out, right?

Right.  

-If- the above continues the truth eventually -will- be known which is why
the Simon Weisenthal Center and other jewish holohuggers are attempting to
censor and control the internet, along with working to pass more
"thoughtcrime" laws to shield the holohuggers' Blessed Article of Faith
>from  further scrutiny.

>Looks to me like it has, in spades. 

Exactly:  so why are you still a holohugger?

Kurt Stele



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From: kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele)
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Subject: "Those Sensitive Nazis."
Date: 18 Aug 1996 18:06:31 -0400
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mcurtis@inetport.com (Mike Curtis) wrote:

[self-congratulatory holohugger chat snipped]

>kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele) wrote:

>>You're saying that shipping prisoners across the European continent by
>>train, during a war, to tag them, house them, and then gas them, using
up
>>valuable resources in energy, manpower, and cost of upkeep and
"deathcamp"
>>administration, is -cheaper- then just shooting them dead on the spot?  

>Clue #1: The state didn't pay for it. As Hilberg shows in his
>_Destruction of the European Jews_ the funding for the one way tickets
>was paid for by the Jews themselves. Confiscated property and moneys
>made it possible to take the state off the hook. 

OH. And I'm sure the nazis who were at war on 2 fronts had -nothing
better- to do with all of this allegedly-confiscated jewish money than to
invest it into a needless inter-continental train transportation scheme to
transport jews the nazis could have executed right there if they were
trying exterminate them.

There was no need to transport the jews at cost to kill them elsewhere if
they could have been killed nearby.  

If the nazis had no need to transport jews into camps to kill them then
what -was- the purpose of transporting the jews to the camps?  To give the
jews a complimentary train-tour of Europe? ("Ah, those sensitive nazis,
again.")

Obviously the camp were being run for a different reason than to kill
(much less "gas") jews, i.e., a labor camp.

>They did try shooting them dead, but the reports from those in the
>field showed that the shooters were stressed out about it. They had to
>come up with a different way. Shooting was taking a psychological
>price out of the soldiers and local police forces assigned to do the
>shootings. I suggest you read the histories by Christopher Browning.
>_Ordinary Men_ comes to mind.

The holohuggers on the one hand tell us that the nazis were brutal,
uncaring, diabolical, the incarnation of hell, evil itself, and supposedly
forced women to clean stairs with their tongues, supposedly shoved jews
into ovens, supposedly did medical experiments on jews, supposedly
participated in an elaborate extermination plan of jews by gassing them. 

Yet according to holohugger Mike Curtis these same "evil nazis" who
supposedly were trying to exterminate jews were "too sensitive" to kill
them by simply shooting them. 

It's amazing the depth of absurdity one will voluntarily descend to when
one is a priori determined by any means to support a historically absurd
theory such as the Holohoax.

Kurt Stele 



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dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele) writes:

># You're saying that shipping prisoners across the European
># continent by train, 

>You must have serious reading problems. It was explained to
>you, a few times, that the large majority of the victims
>were Polish and Soviet Jews, who were not transported over
>large distances. 

>A very simple reason for not shooting, say, the Greek and
>French Jews right there where they lived, was because
>the Nazis tried to keep the operation secret. When the
>Jews found out that they were being sent to their death,
>they rebelled (as in Warsaw). Shooting huge numbers of
>Jews in the streets of Paris would have alerted the
>others of the Nazis' plans.

After the Polish jews -did- find out about the "secret extermination plan"
why did the nazis -continue- to send them to the camps anyway?  If
according to Keren the reason for inconveniently locating the camps
hundreds of miles away was "to keep the extermination plan a secret" then
why would there be any need to continue transporting them to the camps
just to be killed there instead of nearby at no expense, since the jews in
Poland already "found out" about the "secret extermination plan"?  

If the Germans -really- wanted to exterminate the jews then the Germans
would not concoct some ludicrous and costly inter-continental train
transportation scheme just to keep it a secret for fear of a jewish
-armed- rebellion -- that's actually a laughable thought.  Why would the
Germans give two shits if the jews or any other group in occupied
territory for that matter opposed the Reich's policies?  The Nazis ruled
Europe with an iron fist. They was no need for the nazis to fear a
reprisal from "armed jews."  

You'll have to come up with a better attempt then that to explain why an
army purportedly dedicated to wiping out jews instead transports them
across hell's half acre in trains using valuable resources, and then tags
them, and then feeds them, paying the costs of upkeep and camp maintenance
-- instead of just shooting them dead.

If the Nazis wanted jews dead they would have simply executed the jews
with bullets, not gas -- the way the nazis executed everyone else.

If the nazis wanted to exterminate jews in Paris secretly, the nazis could
have taken them -outside- of Paris, lined them up, and shot them dead.  

If the nazis -really- wanted to exterminate jews, they certainly didn't
-need- to transport jews hundreds of miles in -fear- of an uprising from
them.

Obviously the reasons for the camps being located so far away was not
Keren's cheesy explanation that the nazis were "scared" the jews would
find out about the "secret extermination plan" and stage an armed revolt
against the Reich. 

How would rounding up the jews for train transportation be any less of
"secret" then rounding up the jews for execution -2- miles away instead? 
Either way the prisoners would have no idea where they were going. 

That's almost as dumb as the explanation Keren gave before that the nazis
used "gas chambers" located hundres of miles away instead of using a
firing squad on site because the nazis were scared of clergy disapproval.

># during a war, to tag them, house them, and then gas them, 

>Can't you read? It was explained to you that those gassed
>upon arrival - the very large majority - were not tagged
>nor housed, but killed immediately.

and it was explained to you that those so-called "gas chambers" are
nothing more than post-WWII jewish hoaxes.  It was impossible for those
buildings as they were designed and according to their structure for them
to operate as functional gas chambers.

Kurt Stele


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Subject: Re: Holocaust revisionism
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yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>   olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) lies again


>>    Hitler had the idea that the Jews were very dangerous and were
involved
>>  in a Jewish-Bolshevic conspiracy to take over the  world. The Jews
were
>>  considered a security problem more than a racial problem.

>	Yoiu are full of that disgusting substance of which you are
ususally full.


Do you mean "shit"?  We are -all- full of shit, Yale.  Do you not have a
colon?


>>   The idea of armed vigilante is solely yours.

>	Taken from your writings, nazi boy.

>> You do not seem to know the 
>>  Danish law. According to the constitution it is simply illegal for
citizens
>>  to assemble armed and it's very difficult to obtain permission to own 
>>  firearms. Furthermore having a bunch of unreliable and random
organised 
>>  civilians to do a job like this make no sense. I have only talked
about the 
>>  formation of a special police unit to handle the job. 

>	Composed of "volunteers."  i.e. vigilantes.

>	--YFE


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nrn@tezcat.com (Norman Nithman) wrote:

>As far as I remember, Duke first came to notice as a college student 
>for donning a Nazi uniform and demonstrating in front of where
>radical lawyer William Kunstler was appearing.  

>May Duke burn in Hell.

may William Kunstler burn in hell

Kurt Stele


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Subject: Re: "Those Sensitive Nazis."
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schwartz@infinet.com wrote:

>In article <4v8457$62t@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt
>Stele) wrote:

>> Obviously the camp were being run for a different reason than to kill
>> (much less "gas") jews, i.e., a labor camp.

>Kurt:
> 
>Please respond to this:

I already did.  Go back and look.  You still have not filled out my
questionaire

>Interview with Franz Suchomel, SS Unterscharfuhrer by Claude Lanzmann:
> 
>---BEGIN QUOTE---
> 
>CL: What was Treblinka like then?
> 
>FS:  It was operating at full capacity.
> 
>CL: Full capacity?
> 
>FS:  Full capacity! The Warsaw ghetto was being emptied then. Three
trains
>arrived in two days, each with three, four, five thousand people aboard,
>all from Warsaw. But at the same time, other trains came in from Kielce
>and other places. So three trains arrived, and since the offensive
against
>Stalingrad was in full swing, the trainloads of Jews were left on a
>station siding. What's more, the cars were French, made of steel. So that
>while five thousand Jews arrived in Treblinka, three thousand were dead
in
>the cars. They had slashed their wrists, or just died. The ones we
>unloaded were half dead and half mad. In the other trains from Kielce and
>elsewhere, at least half were dead. We stacked them here, here, here, and
>here. Thousands of people piled one on top of another on the ramp.
Stacked
>like wood. In addition, other Jews, still alive, waited there for two
>days: the small gas chambers could not handle the load. They functioned
>day and night in that period.
> 
>---END QUOTE---
> 

>_Shoah, An Oral History of the Holocaust_, Claude Lanzmann
>Complete Text of the Film
>Pantheon Books, NY
>1985
>ISBN 0-394-55142-7

> 
>Is Suchomel lying?
> 
>Sara

yes

Kurt Stele


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rich.graves@Stanford.EDU wrote:

>It's also worth mentioning that these "hate groups" don't really like
>open discussion on the Internet any more than governments do. Your
>propaganda isn't very effective when 30 million people are laughing
>at it. I wish politicians and the press would stop whining about this
>supposed tradeoff between free speech and security. Free speech is the
>way to defuse these guys.

>A handful of top leaders at the Wiesenthal Center are virtually alone
>in not recognizing this -- and of course there are the politicians. 

If they allowed free speech on the Holohoax to go unpunished by existing
medieval thoughtcrime laws or unharrassed by jewish money-power then the
entire Holohoax would eventually crash to the ground.  

The top leaders at the Wiesenthal Center know this.

What they don't know is they cannot keep up this repressive charade
forever.

Kurt Stele.




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mugeb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Geoffrey E Brewster) wrote:

>>Blasphemous Hog Jowls, Esquire (augean@stables.com) wrote:

>>Liberia is the perfect examply of how Negroes from America act without
whites around >>to supervise them. They kill, rape, and even cannibalize
each other. Their religion >>sinks to human sacrifice to avoid punishment
in the after world. You can take the >>monkey out of the jungle, but the
jungle never leaves the monkey. 

>: It's a racist stereotype. However, racial stereotypes, unfortunately,
almost
> always seem to reflect reality in one way or another. 

why is that "unfortunate"?  Because you don't want to people to realize
that there exists racial differences because they might pull the plug on
the welfare- primate-breeding system?

>That is how the stereotype became established.

very true.  

>: When vast numbers of persons act in a certain predictable manner so
that the
> group can be identified by certain highly repetitive activities--in this
case
>, both in Liberia, America, and all black African countries--murder and
rape--
>and cannibalism in the latter countries.

>> Umm. Love those pork chops.

>Unfortunately, racial stereotypes usually do not reflect reality very 
>well, 

huh?  This totally contradicts what you just said before:  namely that a
stereotype is becomes established -because- it reflects reality

>and the way they are formed is when ignorant people think that a 
>whole group of people act a certain way based on limited observations of 
>one or two members of that group.  The problem with stereotypes is that 
>there are ALWAYS more exceptions to them than people in the group who 
>live up (or down) to the stereotype.  The difference is that when a 
>racist looks at a black person, or other minority, he or she sees the 
>blackness first.  Without even knowing the person there are preconceived 
>notions about what that person will do.  

those preconceived notions could save your life someday

>Actually, everybody does this to 
>at least some extent; the racist actually believes that his or her 
>preconceived notions are the truth.  The non-racist, while they may have 
>preconceived notions based on stereotypes, is aware of his or her own 
>prejudices to such a degree that he or she can get past them and actually

>get to the know the person, and not just brush them off because of their 
>racial characteristics.

what makes you think they want to get to know -you-?

>Non-racists have a distinct advantage over their counterparts in that for

>the most part they do not dismiss a person before they get to know them. 

>Since it takes so much energy to hate, I would suspect that non-racists 
>would be generally more productive than racists, and probably able to 
>succeed more easily in business or other areas of their life because of 
>the advantage of being able to deal with many different types of people.

It's actually very natural and healthy to take pride in and desire to be
-exclusively- around those of your own race, despite what the media tells
us. 

History shows that people who are united by a sense of racial pride are
-very- productive.  In fact, the greatest epochs of civilization building
and artistic genius in Western history occurred during periods of racial
homogeny.  

It was precisely when the blood of the civilization-building race became
polluted with that of slaves and aliens, along with being numerically
outbred by them, that the civilization collapsed.  

Gee, could -that- be the reason Western Civilization is crumbling?

>Of course these are just my observations based on my own limited 
>experience, and I aplogize if I have stereotyped anyone.  

Yes, I believe you have -stereotyped- both racists and non-racists.  

In other words you have sinned.

Kurt Stele


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Subject: Re: Here We Go Again (Re: Evil Holocaust Revisionism)
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schwartz@infinet.com wrote:

>In article <4v81ab$4v2@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt
>Stele) wrote:

>> and it was explained to you that those so-called "gas chambers" are
>> nothing more than post-WWII jewish hoaxes.  It was impossible for those
>> buildings as they were designed and according to their structure for
them
>> to operate as functional gas chambers.

>Kurt:
> 
>Is Suchomel lying?

yes.  You can pay anyone to say anything, especially given jewish
money-power

Kurt Stele
 
>---BEGIN QUOTE---
> 
>CL: What was Treblinka like then?
> 
>FS:  It was operating at full capacity.
> 
>CL: Full capacity?
> 
>FS:  Full capacity! The Warsaw ghetto was being emptied then. Three
trains
>arrived in two days, each with three, four, five thousand people aboard,
>all from Warsaw. But at the same time, other trains came in from Kielce
>and other places. So three trains arrived, and since the offensive
against
>Stalingrad was in full swing, the trainloads of Jews were left on a
>station siding. What's more, the cars were French, made of steel. So that
>while five thousand Jews arrived in Treblinka, three thousand were dead
in
>the cars. They had slashed their wrists, or just died. The ones we
>unloaded were half dead and half mad. In the other trains from Kielce and
>elsewhere, at least half were dead. We stacked them here, here, here, and
>here. Thousands of people piled one on top of another on the ramp.
Stacked
>like wood. In addition, other Jews, still alive, waited there for two
>days: the small gas chambers could not handle the load. They functioned
>day and night in that period.
> 
>---END QUOTE---
> 

>_Shoah, An Oral History of the Holocaust_, Claude Lanzmann
>Complete Text of the Film
>Pantheon Books, NY
>1985
>ISBN 0-394-55142-7

>Sara

>-- 
>"It's always nice to see a prejudice overruled by a deeper prejudice."
>    John Sayles, _Lone Star_


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dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:

># What a fantastic reference.  You found someone claiming
># that I used the term.  That certainly proves he is a liar.  
>#
># Or do you want to post another fabrication?

>You called me "Jewboy" in that article. It's there.
>It's trivial to check. Why do you deny it?

>-Danny Keren.

what's wrong with calling you a "jewboy"?  Isn't that what you are?  

> ----
>For a summary of the "revisionist" position, look at what
>Nazi propagandist and "revisionist", Kurt Stele, wrote:

> From:         kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele)
> Message-Id:   <4ut4ht$p8i@newsbf02.news.aol.com>

># The Holocaust is a funny thing..
># When you hear about it, you wish it never happened..
># When you discover it's a hoax ya kind of wish it did!
># Kurt Stele

I was trying to make the point that you jews and your ongoing efforts to
suppress, harrass and criminalize revisionists and to prosecute
"thoughtcrimes" are causing people to resent you. 

When people wake up to the fact that the jews have been shamelessly lying
to them, they will -resent- the jews for doing so.

This is the same sort of jewish lying and chicanery which has caused
resentful backlashes against jew throughout history before. 

And no wonder.

You people are hypocrites of the highest order. 

You jews complain about how badly you were mistreated by the nazis (even
though it's a lie) yet you brutalize Palestinians on a continual basis.

You jews pontificate and condemn how repressive and dictatorial the nazis
supposedly were 

yet you harrass, prosecute and imprison people for "thoughtcrimes."

In your chauvanism you claim to be morally superior to the rest of the
world

yet you perpetrate the very crimes you project on to other peoples

In other words, -you- people are the -real- nazis of contemporary fiction

because the nazi of legend was itself a creation of the jewish soul

and a projection of the jew himself.

Hypocrite.  Holonazi.

The longer and harder you continue to enforce this Lie the harder it will
die in the end. 

When the Lie finally falls the people will be looking for answers from
their deceivers...

which is why jewish holohuggers are working at breakneck speed to outlaw
free speech on the internet and elsewhere, by calling it "hate." 

Yet all your efforts will come to naught because Truth inevitably outs.

But I realize you will continue to push your Lie even -harder- because you
cannot help yourselves 

and are doing merely what comes naturally.
 
The Holohugger and the truth-seeker have irreconcilable differences.

Kurt Stele


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staloff@scunix4.harvard.edu (Mark Staloff) wrote:

>mckinney@usaor.net wrote:

>: Even if I assume your story to be true, you people just love to find
some rare 
>: exception to support your arguments and then delude yourself into
thinking you 
>: have conclusively shown everyone else to be wrong.

>Well, no, but I think a counter-example is illustrative since far too
>often individuals shout out "Rwanda!  Angola!" and expect us to take that
>example as illustrative of the whole continent.

>My point was that the example of Eritrea shows that the basic human
>potential can lie dormant, only to manifest itself when the other factors
>(ethnic squabbling, which Eritrea, as a homogeneous state, is largely
free
>of; Cold War war-mongering, which ravaged Angola for decades; colonial
>monoculture; etc.) die down.  

>: It's like whenever someone 
>: starts talking IQ scores, some liberal will bring-up some particular
black who 
>: happens to be very intelligent - as if that disproves the
well-established fact 
>: that the AVERAGE IQ of blacks is down around 85. 

>   First of all, I don't believe there has ever been a comprehensive
>testing of IQ's across Africa; even taking the the Bell Curve at face
>value, it relied primarily on surveys of African-Americans.  As for
>Africans, I recall that it used a survey that compared poor rural South
>African Zulus to middle class white South Africans, in which case the
>cultural bias affects the exam.  Example: a question which runs
>"motorcycle:car::bicycle:_______" is a pretty meaningless measurement of
>intelligence if the person being tested has never seen a motorcycle, 
>or if English is not his first language.  An article in Atlantic Monthly
>in the summer of 95 (OK, I'm being vague here, but that's as much as info
>as I remember and it's not as if anyone is going to rush off to the
>library -anyway- to read the article) went into great depth about the
>flaws of the African IQ tests used as the basis for that chapter in the
>_Bell Curve_.

>Mark

Spare us the bullshit Mark.

Everybody -knows- the black race is considerably dumber than the white
race and that the black race is incapable of sustaining an advanced
civilization on its own except for a few blacks who have inherited white
genes, if even then.  

Stop making excuses for these inherent racial shortcomings just because it
contradicts your infantile preconceived notions about "racial equality" --
an oxymoron if there ever was.

Go back to your little imaginary liberal fantasy world where everyday is a
birthday, and Life is a party...

Kurt Stele


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>kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele) writes:

># Those transportations of jews is proof of -relocation- not 
># extermination and does not help the holohugger position one bit.

>This is garbage.

>You're saying "why would they waste resources by transporting
>the Jews to the death camps", while claiming they wasted
>far more resources by relocating the Jews deep into the
>USSR. Never mind that they were never found.

You still have yet to prove why if the nazis were trying to exterminate
the jews then why did they transport them hundreds of miles away.

How does the fact that they -were- transported help you?  You have to
explain -why- they were transported by an army you just told me was trying
to kill them, and could have done so -without- transporting them.

The obvious fact is of course that the nazis -weren't- trying to
exterminate the jews, but were transporting them into labor camps.  

If they were trying to exterminate the jews they would have executed them
nearby, not shipped them at considerable expense to be executed elsewhere.

So what if they -transported- them?  They were either -relocating- to the
outside of Germany or into labor camps.

Either way, the object was -not- extermination.

The unexplainable aspect is -one- of the main reasons why the Holohoax's
"extermination theory" is such bullshit.

You and other holohuggers have tried to explain it by saying the elaborate
train transportation scheme was done because of fear of clergy approval,
or in fear of "armed jews" or because the nazis were "too sensitive" to
shoot people they supposedly were trying to exterminate 

but if the nazis wanted to exterminate the jews they could just lined up
-ONE- machine gun all day and night and finished the job.  Or a few bombs.
 

No problem.  Real simple.

You holohuggers certainly have a formidible task of explaining before you.

But that is always the case when one is defending the absurd

Kurt Stele


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>> Thank you sara.  This makes great sense to me.  However you were wrong 
>about the responses I got!!!!  Wow most people I was answered by were 
>calling me names and saying things like, "It was exclusively jews, Get 
>lost racist".

Yes.  

I understand what happened to you.

You experienced first hand and for the first time, an experience outside
of all history, honesty, reasoning, and rationality. . . 

A dimension beyond space and time. . .  

A place beyond sight and sound. . .

You stumbled into..

"The Holohugger Zone."

wasn't it horrifying?

Kurt Stele  


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alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan) wrote:

><*[*] [*] [Kurt Stele] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
><+[Re: Jews Run Everything] [Friday August 16 1996 20:19][*][0]*>

> KS> Why should anyone think Mr. Ira  is "another
> KS> nazi-boy pretending to be a jew" instead of an -actual- jew?

>Because the comments are against the very basis of Judaism.

yeah? well prove it then.

> KS> All Mr. Epstein is doing is just spouting the essence of the
> KS> Jewish religion as clearly outlined in both the Talmud and Old
> KS> Testament:

> KS> "The Jews are the master race, and the goyim are dogs."

>Because "he" makes just that claim - which is not found in the
>Talmud or Legitimate Bible.

>From  the Talmud:

"Heaven and earth were created only for the sake of the jewish people." 
(Vayikra Rabba 36)  

"You (the jews) are human beings, but the nations of the world (goyim) and
not human beings, but beasts." (Baba Mezia, 114b).  

"Yahweh created the non-Jew in human form so that the Jews would not have
to be served by beasts.  The non-Jew is consequently an animal in human
form, and condemned to serve the jews day and night."  (Midrasch Talpioth,
225-L).  

>From  the Old Testament:

"For the nation and kingdom that refuses to serve you (Israel) shall
perish, such nations shall be utterly ruined." (Isaiah 60:12).  

> KS> 1)  "We want to mix -your- race, but keep -ours- separate."

>Prove it.

Witness the jew-dominated media pushing for immigration and race-mixing
(MTV, Hollywood, etc) and condemns racism at every turn

at the same time the jew-dominated media rarely criticizes Israel's
exclusive citizenship policies.

"Can you say h-y-p-o-c-r-i-s-y, kids?"

> KS> 2)  "We want to racially integrate and diversify -your- nation
> KS> and race, but keep -our- Israeli borders inviolable."

>Prove it.

The jew-dominated media and hollywood, and several other jews as well,
continue to propagate racial mixing (MTV, movies, etc.) in America and
Europe and denounce as "racist" those wishing to keep third world
immigrants out of America and Europe.

Yet the jews simultaneously favor keeping Palestinians out of Israel and
keeping the jewish state for jews.

The jew-dominated media condemned investment in South Africa because they
were racist, yet these same jew want -billions- of our tax dollars to
continue to be sent each year to a nation with overtly -racist- policies: 
Israel.

"Gee Dad I don't remember us citizens ever voting on that one." 

> KS> 3)   "We denounce the Holo(hoax) but we continue to brutalize
> KS> Palestinian men, women, and children."

>Prove it.

>From  the Chicago Tribune:

"The 'questioning' comprises making Palestinian stand for days at a time,
shackling them in contorted or bent-over positions and confining them in
tiny chairs or closet-like cubicles. Routinely deprived of sleep, the
detainees are forced to relieve themselves in their clothing and are
exposed to extremes of heat and cold while being bombarded with loud,
nonstop music.  One of the worst forms of torture is "hooding," compelling
those held for questioning to wear foul-smelling canvas sacks over their
heads for days on end."  

[Chicago Tribune, June 15, 1994]

The jewish holohuggers suddenly don't look morally superior anymore,
despite their frothing condemnations of supposed -nazi- atrocities.

> KS> Well, I for one think Mr. Ira  is a jew.
> KS> He's just a little more honest than most of you

>If he is a Jew then you are a decent human being - IOW - he's a Nazi
>fake.

Whether a fake or real "Mr. Ira" still reflects the chauvanism and
supremacist beliefs openly avowed in jewish books of faith (see the above
Alec G) and inherent in the jewish religion and culture. 

The jew's supremacism and chauvanism, which says there is one rule for the
gentile (goy) and another for the jews, is also sorely apparent in the
jews' continuing double standards:

1)  "We want to mix -your- race, but keep -ours- separate."

2)  "We want to racially integrate and diversify -your- nation and race,
but keep -our- Israeli borders inviolable."

3)  "We denounce the Holo(hoax) but we continue to brutalize Palestinian
men, women, and children."

> KS> One tends to get brave after battening off all those US
> KS> subsidies to Israel, ya know

>There were no US subsidies to Israel.

$1260.00 per year, per Israeli, along with $10 billion dollars a year on
average. 

Israeli receive -one fourth- of all U.S. foreign aid.

That's a lot for a mere illegitimate little bandit-state that has no real
strategic interest for the US -- except to please the jews, of course.

Another example of the jew tail wagging the U.S. dog.

Kurt Stele


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alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan) wrote:

>Finally, there doesn't have to be a logical reason. 

It's not that there has to be a logical reason. 

It's that there has to be an -illogical- reason.

The Holocaust positively -requires- that the nazis be illogical, goofy,
and stupid.

Otherwise their theory can't even get off the ground

>The Nazi mentality was monomaniacal and saw efficiencies that no one else
>would consider an efficiency.

Perhaps the truth is really the reverse:  the -jew holohugger- is
monomaniacal in his paranoic and implacable -hatred- of nazis, which is
why the holohugger clings to fantasies about "disguised shower heads"  and
"death by Raid."

But I think the Holohoax will eventually be exposed at large.

Despite this holohugger nonsense.

Kurt Stele



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schwartz@infinet.com wrote:

>In article <4v8aih$qm7@basement.replay.com>, nobody@REPLAY.COM
(Anonymous)
>wrote:
 
>> They are pathetic creatures of the left.
> 
>Why do you hide under an anonymous handle?

Why did jews in the Spanish inquisition "pretend" to be christians?  

Same principle.  

You're a holohugger but I think you can figure it out.
 
>Why should we believe anything a coward like you says?
> 
>Sara

Huh?  Anonymity doesn't affect the truth or falsity of one's position.

More holohugger anti-reasoning.  

Kurt Stele



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alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan) wrote:

>[Kurt Stele] wrote [regarding the jewish double standard]

>KS> "We [jews] denounce the Holo(hoax) but we continue to brutalize
>KS> Palestinian men, women, and children."

>Prove it.

Just for you Alec G:

>From  reporter Robert Fisk and published in London's The Independent: 

     QANA, SOUTHERN LEBANON -- It was a massacre. Not since Sabra and
     Chatila had I seen the innocent slaughtered like this. The
     Lebanese refugee women and children and men lay in heaps, their
     hands or arms or legs missing, beheaded or disemboweled. There
     were well over a hundred of them. A baby lay without a head. The
     Israeli shells had scythed through them as they lay in the United
     Nations shelter, believing that they were safe under the world's
     protection. Like the Muslims of Srebrenica, the Muslims of Qana
     were wrong.

     In front of a burning building of the UN's Fijian battalion
     headquarters, a girl held a corpse in her arms, the body of a
     gray-haired man whose eyes were staring at her, and she rocked
     the corpse back and forth in her arms, keening and weeping and
     crying the same words over and over: "My father, my father." A
     Fijian UN soldier stood amid a sea of bodies and, without saying
     a word, held aloft the body of a headless child.

     The Israelis have just told us they'll stop shelling the area, a
     UN soldier said, shaking with anger. "Are we supposed to thank
     them?" In the remains of a burning building -- the conference
     room of the Fijian UN headquarters -- a pile of corpses was
     burning. The roof had crashed in flames onto their bodies,
     cremating them in front of my eyes. When I walked towards them, I
     slipped on a human hand...

     Israel's slaughter of civilians in this terrible 10-day offensive
     -- 206 by last night -- has been so cavalier, so ferocious, that
     not a Lebanese will forgive this massacre. There had been the
     ambulance attacked on Saturday, the sisters killed in Yohmor the
     day before, the 2-year-old girl decapitated by an Israeli missile
     four days ago. And earlier yesterday, the Israelis had
     slaughtered a family of 12 -- the youngest was a four- day-old
     baby -- when Israeli helicopter pilots fired missiles into their
     home.

     Shortly afterwards, three Israeli jets dropped bombs only 250
     meters from a UN convoy on which I was traveling, blasting a
     house 30 feet into the air in front of my eyes. Traveling back to
     Beirut to file my report on the Qana massacre to the Independent
     last night, I found two Israeli gunboats firing at the civilian
     cars on the river bridge north of Sidon.

     Every foreign army comes to grief in Lebanon. The Sabra and
     Chatila massacre of Palestinians by Israel's militia allies in
     1982 doomed Israel's 1982 invasion. Now the Israelis are stained
     again by the bloodbath at Qana, the scruffy little Lebanese hill
     town where the Lebanese believe Jesus turned water into wine.

     . . . The blood of all the refugees ran quite literally in
     streams from the shell-smashed UN compound in which the Shiite
     Muslims from the hill villages of southern Lebanon -- who had
     heeded Israel's order to leave their homes -- had pathetically
     sought shelter. Fijian and French soldiers heaved another group
     of dead -- they lay with their arms tightly wrapped around each
     other -- into blankets.

     A French UN trooper muttered oaths to himself as he opened a bag
     in which he was dropping feet, fingers, pieces of people's arms.

     And as we walked through this obscenity, a swarm of people burst
     into the compound. They had driven in wild convoys down from Tyre
     and began to pull the blankets off the mutilated corpses of their
     mothers and sons and daughters and to shriek Allahu Akbar (God is
     Great") and to threaten the UN troops.

     We had suddenly become not UN troops and journalists but
     Westerners, Israel's allies, an object of hatred and venom. One
     bearded man with fierce eyes stared at us, his face dark with
     fury. "You are Americans," he screamed at us. "Americans are
     dogs". You did this. Americans are dogs."

     President Bill Clinton has allied himself with Israel in its war
     against "terrorism," and the Lebanese, in their grief, had not
     forgotten this. Israel's official expression of sorrow was
     rubbing salt in their wounds. "I would like to be made into a
     bomb and blow myself up amid the Israelis," one old man said.

     As for the Hizbollah, which has repeatedly promised that Israelis
     will pay for their killing of Lebanese civilians, its revenge
     cannot be long in coming. Operation Grapes of Wrath may then turn
     out to be all too aptly named.

     Herve de Charette's face was as white as death. The French
     Foreign Minister, neatly clad in blue suit and tie, had gingerly
     walked through the scene of last week's massacre at the UN's
     compound, nodding diplomatically as the UN's Fijian commander
     described the 12 minutes in which Israeli shells slaughtered up
     to 120 refugees, the sliced-up corpses that his soldiers were
     forced to pick up, the difficulty in identifying parts of the
     children who had been torn to pieces. Mr. de Charette listened
     with distaste. But then he was confronted by a survivor.

     Fawzaya Zrir, a small, frail woman in a scarf, simply walked up
     to the French Foreign Minister and began talking to him with an
     odd mixture of affection and anger. "For us, France is our mother
     and God is our father," she said in a flight of rhetoric that
     might have been written by the Quai d'Orsay public relations men,
     who beamed happily at this fortunate encounter.

     Then things began to go wrong. "We have lived through hell," Mrs.
     Zrir continued. "The people were chopped into pieces by the
     Israeli bombs. They bleed, these people. You should have seen the
     heads."

     At the French foreign minister's right, a Lebanese softly
     translated the woman's dreadful words. The PR men began to look
     uneasy. "We have lived here 40 years and now we are treated like
     animals," the woman cried. "Do you know what the dogs did at
     night after the killings? They were hungry and I saw them in the
     ruins eating fingers and pieces of our people."

     Mr. de Charette stared at her as if he had seen a ghost. This had
     clearly not been part of the programme, a schedule that was
     supposed to have whisked the foreign minister from a light lunch
     at UN headquarters in Naqqoura to a photo-opportunity on the roof
     of the wrecked UN battalion HQ, a three-minutes press conference
     to give the impression of openness and a swift drive back to the
     coast and a helicopter to Beirut -- everything, in fact, that
     would enhance France's much-trumpeted love for Lebanon. Reality
     had very definitely not been part of the programme.

     A UN soldier was quite blunt about it.  This place is going to be
     turned into one of those awful pilgrimage sites for the great and
     the good," he muttered. "Boutros-Ghali sent his emissaries today
     to express their horror. But they'll do no more than they did
     after Srebrenica. They'll tut-tut and shrug it off. They won't
     even have the guts to condemn Israel even now -- for this
     wickedness."

     The problem... is that neither America nor Europe is going to
     condemn a country which pounded refugees of Qana with 155mm
     shells for 12 minutes; and such condemnation is about the only
     palliative that the Lebanese might accept for the moment.

     And you can see their point. On the coast road back to Beirut
     last night there were burning cars, civilians deliberately
     targeted by Israeli warships north of Sidon, three of whom had
     been badly wounded. Had this being a Syrian warship shelling
     Israeli civilians on the Haifa-Tel Aviv road, of course, Mr.
     Clinton himself would have deplored -- rightly -- an act of
     "international terrorism."

     But not a word of criticism about this scandalous targeting of
     Lebanese civilians was uttered by the foreign ministers of
     America, Russia, France and Italy as they sought to bring an end
     to an apparently unstoppable war.

Also, don't forget about this one Alec:

"The 'questioning' comprises making Palestinian stand for days at a time,
shackling them in contorted or bent-over positions and confining them in
tiny chairs or closet-like cubicles. Routinely deprived of sleep, the
detainees are forced to relieve themselves in their clothing and are
exposed to extremes of heat and cold while being bombarded with loud,
nonstop music.  One of the worst forms of torture is "hooding," compelling
those held for questioning to wear foul-smelling canvas sacks over their
heads for days on end."  

[Chicago Tribune, June 15, 1994]

"Gee Dad, the jewish holohuggers suddenly don't look morally superior
anymore; they're no better than the nazis."

-My- the jewish holohuggers suddenly look discomfited.

Kurt Stele


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We are gathered here this morning once again, friends, to pay our due
homage and respect to the Great Faith.  Indeed, that is what we are here
for, and for what we are here. The Universe is a great mass of
interconnected matter, held together by atomic force, and amidst this
great Fundament are we, united by the Holy spirit that binds us in our
Absolute, Holy Belief.  Hear ye, Hear Ye, Amen, and Shalom.  (start organ
music now).  

As I read from the Holy Book, may we continue in our reverence and duty to
uphold the Sanctified Theory:

"And I saw a great chasm opening up before us, and a great voice
proclaiming outwards 'let the unbelievers be forever imprisoned in the
purgatory of their faithlessness, to burn with the guilt of the Holy
Throng!"  And surely as it was spoken, yea, it came to pass, and the
unbelieving in their perfidy, perdition, and sacrilege, paying for their
blasphemy against the Holy Believers, for their pride in daring to doubt
the Hallowed Megillah, were cast out into utter darkness."  

And indeed, friends, such is a fitting end for such blatant trangressors.
For we know it is 'by faith' that we hold our belief.  I read on, at verse
2:

"Beware ye of the wicked ones, the materialists, the scrutinizers, who
slink before you in demand for evidence of the Holy Faith further and
beyond the Word of the Divine Witnesses, for these iniquitous are the
doubters whose destiny is doom and everlasting destruction..."  

Friends (dimming lights now) these matters are of the utmost and serious
gravity. For your very soul depends on Our Holy Faith, as it lies at the
very foundation of all good and evil -- and is itself the Foundation.
(lighting a candle)  To disclaim it is to face the Great desolation, and
>from  the Great desolation afterwards there can be no life. 

Now let us recite, with the highest honor, and the most contrite guilt we
can muster, gazing heavenwards towards the Holy Throng, who gazes down at
us, our Creed, saying:

"I will always believe in the HallowedCause.

"I shall never even so much as -doubt- the HallowedCause.

"Yea shall I affirm the Holy Number, which is Six Million, and not a one
less, nor shall I tolerate unholy blasphemy of the Holy Number.

"All assaults and evil strides taken against the HallowedCause shall I
meet with the utmost and highest fervor and vengeance, as though it
assaults the very basis for good and evil, and yea salvation itself.

"Those who dare to cast doubt or unwholesome indifference towards the
Divine Megillah, shall I spurn.

"I shall by force and constraint spread and install my faith to the ends
of the earth, and punish the unbelieving, stiff-necked heathen with
prison, scorn, and the whip, and cast away the keys with all my might.

"The unclean and perfidious doubt of the heathen shall I punish: I shall
not tolerate evil.  Him shall I strive to silence, for the Everlasting
Good must prevail, as verily shall those in the Land of the Holy Throng's
heirs.

"And lo, though I walk through the Valley of Unbelievers, I shall simply,
with divine strength, clasp my hands over mine ears until the Holy
Enforcer arrives to silence the offending Heathen.  Then shall I testify
in court against the malefactor, witnessing his inquisition, purgation,
and if he proves worthy, his subsequent rehabilitation and penance.

"Fervently shall I pine for the Day of Judgment when the vile, unbelieving
stiff-necked heathen are forever cast out into the Great Darkness.  Amen,
and so shall it be.

"I shall, in holy service, duty, and fealty to the Highest Good,
contribute to the HallowedCause both in body, mind, but -especially-
substance, verily paying in gold for the Abomination which that hath
besmirched our very souls and the souls of our kindred forevermore,
indicting us correctly in our eternal guilt for the Abomination.

"Dutifully shall I pay the Holy Heirs, in the fervent hope of divine
redemption through payment.  Yea shall my money go even to the heirs of
the Blessed Tale in the Holy Land, for blessed be Jerusalem and the
Blessed Folk which there dwelleth.

"In this way shall I be blessed, and escape the righteous wrath of the
Holy Heirs. Therefore shall my right to speak and think freely not be
revoked by the Holy Heirs, but by and through their merciful grace shall I
be permitted my freedom, and yea freedom further even to spread the
Hallowed Gospel.

"I shall forever bless the Holy Heirs, for their task is the Holy
Vengeance. They are righteous beyond scruple, and yea shall I abet them in
their mission of the Gold Redemption, which is verily and ultimately for
the greater good and redemption of the flock.  

"Thanks be for the mercy of the Holy Heirs on we, the unworthy, yea even
upon we, the ones responsible for Almighty and Unspeakable Sin!  Oh Mercy
and Grace beyond hope!  Thanks be for the Gold Redemption, as we are
allowed servanthood in this, the Holiest Cause and the Highest Good, being
permitted to earn our Salvation through penance.

"Forever cursed be the unbelieving, stiff-necked heathen, who doubts the
Holy Truth.  Cursed be him in Darkeness.  May he drown in his own dung and
his daughter lie with the animals of the desert night.

Blessed be the HallowedCause!  Blessed be the HallowedCause!

Mea Culpa.  Mea Culpa.  Mea culpa.  

Amen.

"Go ye therefore, my brothers and sister (lights turning back on)
converting all nations, enforcing, and driving out the unbelieving heathen
wherever he may be found.  Blessed be the righteous believer for he shall
inherit the blessing of the Holy Heirs, and his golden gifts to the Divine
Ones shall atone for his iniquity."  

Let us say our final mea culpas and go.

Kurt Stele 

(self-appointed) Pontifex Maximis, Church of Our Lady Holohugger


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From: kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele)
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joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) wrote:

>In article <4vaqbb$907@newsbf02.news.aol.com> kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt
Stele)
writes:

>>You still have yet to prove why if the nazis were trying to exterminate
>>the jews then why did they transport them hundreds of miles away.

>Ah.  So in order to prove something happened, you also have to prove that

>somebody had what you accept is a good reason for doing it the way they
did it.

No Joel. 

It's not based on what -I- accept is a good reason.

It's called "common" sense.

"Common sense" says if the nazis were trying to exterminate the jews they
would
have done so nearby instead of transported the jews at considerable cost
all over
hell's half acre to supposedly be killed somewhere else.

The holohuggers' claims contradict common sense

which itself is already bad enough

but if one is going to contradict -common sense-

you better have some hard, -real- evidence to back it up

instead of mainly eyewitness testimony 

>from  interested or coerced witnesses

which contains several contradictions and absurdities. 

But I realize the holohugger is a man of faith, to whom common sense is
irrelevant

and his faith is truly touching. 

I just wished he'd -stay- in the area of religion, instead of venturing
forth into science and history.

I guess the jews receive too many benefits from the hoary hoax to give it
up now.

Amongst them:  shekels galore, a lightning rod for jewish unity,
persecution privileges, and immunity from outside criticism.

Kurt Stele


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Chuck Ferree  wrote:

>Charles wrote:

>Chuck Ferree wrote:


>          "Sens. Arlen Specter (R-Penn) and Barbara Boxer
>> >             (D. Calif.) presented multimillionaire Steven
>> >             Spielberg with a $1 million federal grant to work
>> >             on a massive holocaust documentation project, the
>> 
>> >             Survivors of the Shoah Visual History Foundation."

>Worth every dime of it too. My money, your money, it's a worthwhile 
>use of taxpayers money. The computer manufacturers donate ten times 
>that much in free computers to schools every year. Quit bitching, it's 
>something which needs to be done, and Spielberg is putting up millions 
>of his own money too.

yeah. They extract more guilt-shekels out of our pockets to fund more
brainwashing campaigns by jewish holohuggers to protect the Holohoax and
Chuck Ferree tells us to quit bitching.

Isn't $1260.00 per Israeli per year from US tax dollars enough?  

Isn't 100 Billion German marks enough?

Isn't $2 million per year in US tax dollars to keep the Holohoax museum in
Washington D.C. running, enough?

If not, -when- will it be enough?

Kurt Stele


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>On 19 Aug 1996, Kurt Stele wrote:
>
>> schwartz@infinet.com wrote:
>> 
>> >Kurt:
>> > 
>> >Is Suchomel lying?
>> 
>> yes.  You can pay anyone to say anything, especially given jewish
>> money-power
>
>And your proof that Franz Suchomel was paid to lie is...?
>
>Oh, right, I forgot. Because You Say So.

why not.  

The Holohoax seeks to its vindicate its explicit absurdities by relying on
the "trustworthy" foundation of -hearsay-.

But if it is all based on eyewitness testimony then anybody's word's as
good as the next.

The Holohoax is overwhelming premised on -eyewitness testimony- much of
which were gathered from biased or interested witnesses, or witnesses
under duress, and at a court of victors' vanquish.

Not even the sort of conditions which usually produces reliable testimony.

The -real- evidence for the holohoax is lacking -- other than the strange
and tortured inferences made by the holohuggers which again are not backed
by documentation or other forms of hard, real evidence.

The holohuggers' unusual conclusions are only based on the evidentiarily
slim reed of "eyewitness testimony" and that being from mainly interested
or coerced sources.

In fact the hard evidence and administrative documentation we -do- have
>from  the nazis contradicts that the nazis were deliberately trying to
"exterminate" the jews.

The holohuggers try to get around this by claiming "the nazis never wrote
it down"

yet the nazis wrote -everything else- down,

again we are "ordered" to accept an anomaly 

which should instantly raise our suspicion

but what is most notable is that we are asked to premise our belief in
that anomaly 

upon something so unreliable as eyewitness testimony -alone-

and even eyewitness testimony presented under conditions hostile to
producing reliable eyewitness testimony.

In other words, jewish Holohuggers want us to believe their witnesses 

just because -they- say so

in spite of substantial evidentiary problems

and jewish holohuggers also  continue censoring, harrassing, and
imprisoning

anyone who doubts the holocaust, 

repressing the dissent of others

just like nazis.

Why don't YOU prove he -wasn't- paid off?

Kurt Stele


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If the Nazis were out to exterminate jews, then there was need to build
"gas chamber" when killing jews with bullets was the easiest, more
efficient, and most logical choice.  

If the nazis wanted to exterminate the jews, the nazis could have simply
took a thousand jews at time and mowed them down.  

Or simply blown up several hundred jews at a time with a single bomb.  

If the Nazis wanted to exterminate the jews, the Nazis wouldn't have
transported them, tagged them, and maintained them in camps -- all at
considerable expense.

The nazis ran labor camps, not "death camps":  the latter being a touch of
classic jewish Hollywood melodrama. 

Ironically, in their humanity the nazis saw to it that the labor camps
were properly sanitized for lice, which is why they used Zyklon B -- a
known fumigant manufactured and used for -soley- for that purpose.  We
have scads of documents showing Zyklon B was a -fumigant- but none showing
it as a death gas.  

Furthermore, there were other gasses available, far more potent, which the
nazis could have used had their intent been extermination of the jews by
gassing.  If the nazis were trying to exterminate the jews, Zyklon B would
have been an -absurd- choice.

And all of this is aside from the fact that the alleged gas chambers could
not have functioned as gas chambers, and in fact, -did- not.

Towards the end of the war, conditions deteriorated in Europe and the
camps experienced outbreaks of typhus during the final months.  This is
the condition the Allies witnessed upon liberating the camps.

But what does the holohugger do with the above facts?

1) Labor camps become "death camps."

2) Zyklon- B delousing fumigant becomes "homicidal death-gas."

3) Camp buildings become "gas chambers."

The Holohuggers tell us the Germans were trying to "exterminate" the jews.
Yet
these same Germans who were supposedly trying to "exterminate" jews
instead transported them by train to another location at cost, and into a
camp site where ample documents reveal there were supplies and food sent
every week and prisoners were maintained under the strictest sanitation
codes of any country involved in WWII.

So all this leaves us with the following absurdity:

A German army supposedly trying to "exterminate" jews instead -transports-
them hundreds of miles away at cost to be put in a dedicated camp-system,
one containing "workshops for tailors, shoemakers, carpenters, and
barracks for the labourers of the camp"

when the nazis could have simply executed them nearby at little cost.   

Hmmmm....  

Not at all consistent with the behavior of an army supposedly trying to
exterminate jews.  

But it is -obviously- consistent with the behavior of an army seeking to
-relocate- jews into labor camps or elsewhere.

Yet the holohuggers maintain the nazis were trying to -exterminate- them.
(!)

The explanation the holohuggers give for this absurdity of needlessly
transporting the jews away to camps is: 

1) "the nazis were 'scared' of clergy disapproval" 

(yet the nazis were -always- doing things the clergy disapproved of) 

2)  "the nazis were 'scared' of armed jews rebelling" 

(yet within the occupied territories there was no serious threat posed by
"armed jews" to any plan the Reich wished to carry out. For example, the
nazis transported thousand of jews away usually without incident and
certainly without "fear of armed jews."  If the nazis were trying to
exterminate the jews then fear of armed jews certainly would not be
substantial enough to warrant a mass transportation/camp system to
accomplish a task that could be done with very little trouble nearby,
using a single machine and -one- gunner if necessary.

3)  "the nazis were 'too sensitive' to shoot jews." 

(yet the holohuggers tell us the nazis were able to commit -all- manner of
sadism)

CONCLUSION:  the holohoax is an artifact of true bullshit that stinks to
the high heavens.  The holohuggers have completely and deliberately
twisted the facts to reap a huge political and financial windfall.

And they use jewish money power to harrass and censor revisionists, along
with legal and physical terrorism to suppress free speech and harrass
revisionists -- all to cover up and enforce orthodoxy to their Big Lie.  

Their suppression, censorship, and harrassment of revisionism is probably
the most glaring sign of the Holohoax's falsity.

But despite their frenzied efforts to suppress it, which constitutes a
regression back to the Dark Ages, the Truth about the Holohoax's falsity
is steadily spreading.

Is it already apparent that the next batteground for the jewish
holocausters' control and censorship of revisionists and other politically
incorrects will be the internet.

Kurt Stele



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dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote to mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt 
Giwer):

>I'm sorry that you're a zero, a nothing, a miserable
>failure, and an imbecile. But it ain't my fault. So don't
>take it out on me, please.

you holohuggers sure dedicate a lot of time and bandwidth to someone who
supposedly is "a zero, a nothing, a miserable failure, and an imbecile."  

What does that say about you?

If Matt is such a nothing, a miserable failure, and an imbecile, why don't
you holohuggers just find something better to do with your time?

I think alt.religions or alt.fantasy is open. 

Both would fit you holohuggers.

Kurt Stele


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dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote:

[Alleged eyewitness testimonies to Israeli Army actions
in Lebanon]

>Let's see. Whatever testimony to the Holocaust is
>presented to nazi-boy Kurt, he automatically dismisses
>it, saying that "Jewish money can buy everything,
>including testimonies" etc.
>
>So here we have an anti-Israeli testimony. Now, the
>Arabs have God knows how many billions of dollars,
>oil money.
>
>Why doesn't nazi-boy Kurt apply his "reasoning" to
>dismiss such testimonies as having been obtained
>with the help of Arab money? He should show some
>consistency, no?
>

Keren is trying to pull another fast one.

He did the same thing regarding Dresden.

It's Keren's favorite argument, his catch-all:

"If you disbelieve MY holohoax witnesses then I'll disbelieve YOUR Qana
(or Dresden) eyewitnesses. Nanny nanny boo boo, stick your head in doo
doo."

Keren is trying to equate the holohoax eyewitnesses with the Qana
eyetwitness by asserting that in both cases there exists -moneyed-
interests which could pay off witnesses, so "therefore" there is no
greater basis for disbelieving holohoax witnesses then there are for
disbelieving -Qana- witnesses.

The problem with Keren's analysis is that it's wrong.

There -is- a far greater basis for disbelieving holohoax eyewitnessing
then there is for disbelieving Qana (or Dresden) eyewitnesses, namely
because of:  

1)  the lack of physical evidence for the holohoax
2)  the weak and at best ambiguous circumstantial evidence for the
holohoax
3)  the holohoax on its face is anomalous, demanding the nazis to do      
              atypical actions, and strange and awkward contortions
4)  the holohoax's contradiction to existing -circumstantial- evidence
5)  the holohoax contradiction to existing -physical- evidence. 

I would add 3 more, as I find them highly relevant:

6)  the fact that the jews have reaped great political and financial gain,
and privileges, along with further benefits of cultural unity and immunity
>from  criticism from the holohoax and thus have a vested interest in
keeping the truth concealed.

7)  the jewish Holocaust lobby has and continues to harrass, imprison, and
censor revisionists the world over, and it is visibly and obviously
attempting to stifle free speech and debate about the alleged "Holocaust."
It is currently working to censor the internet by attempting to equate
revisionism (which it labels "hate") with "child pornography."

8)  the jews, along with their substantial money-power, dominate the media
and have both the power and control to censor open debate over traditional
media channels and to cause the public at large to believe in the holohoax
and equate revisionism with hatred.  The jewish media has done precisely
-that-.

In order to equate -Qana- witnesses with -holohugger- witnesses as Keren
has abortively tried to do, Keren has to assert far more then the mere
fact that there is a "moneyed-interest somewhere" that would benefit from
false testimony.

Keren must somehow establish:

1)  the lack of physical evidence for the Qana

good luck on that one Keren

2)  there is weak and at best ambiguous circumstantial evidence for Qana

there is -copious- real evidence for Qana, as opposed to the holohoax

3)  that Qana on its face is anomalous, demanding the Israelis to do      
         atypical actions, and strange and awkward contortions

There is nothing new or atypical about Israeli mistreatment and murdering
of Palestinian civilians

4)  Qana's contradiction to existing -circumstantial- evidence

there is none

5)  Qana's contradiction to existing -physical- evidence. 

there is none

It would also be helpful if Keren established

6)  the Arab lobby has and continues to harrass, imprison, and censor
"Qana doubters," and is visibly and obviously attempting to stifle free
speech and debate about the alleged Qana massacre. 

Nope

7)  that the Arabs dominate the media and have both the power and control
to censor open debate over traditional media and to cause the public at
large to believe in the holohoax and equate revisionism with hatred, and
that Arabs have done precisely -that-.

we already know who dominates the media and it ain't Arabs

Yet the only basis Keren has presented for his disbelief of Qana's
eyewitness is that there "Arab" money exists.

I realize to -undo- holohugger fallacies can be time-consuming

and is often like trying to unravel an 15-car collision.

To believe in the holohoax 

and yet -disbelieve- in the Israeli massacre of Palestinians at Qana, 

without any basis for doing so other than Arab money could have paid off
Robert Fiske of the London Independent

and even when the Qana massacred was in fact mentioned (but not duly
criticized) by the jewish media,

is only too characteristic of a holohugger.

Kurt Stele



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dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>dvdthomas@aol.com (DvdThomas), a nazi-boy coward who used 
>four aliases but never his real name, writes to Nele Abels:

># Your zealotry, my friend, renders you not an educated 
># person or a linguist, but an ordinary fool.

>And you, nazi-boy, posted the following not long ago:

># (1)  There are no existant homicidal gassing chambers, there
># are only reconstructions of alleged facilities based on oral 
># testimonies and descriptions, and ruins that are alleged to 
># have been same, save they seem most inadequate for the purpose.

>This is an outright lie. Let's hear your explanation, for
>instance, as to why the ruins "seem most inadequate for the 
>purpose". More so as there are cyanide traces on their walls.

>-Danny Keren.

Keren's calling David Thomas a nazi-boy.  

What holocaust doubter -isn't- a nazi-boy to these paranoic jew
holohuggers

Kurt Stele


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Marty Kelley  wrote:

>On 19 Aug 1996, John819194 wrote:

>> The holocaust is sounds like an overdramatic story. The jews own the
>> television and they can say whatevere they want. They know the people
will
>> believe them.  They get all this money off the holocaust and they try
to
>> make everybody believe in it and feel guilty. Then nobody will be
allows
>> to question anything the jews they do. They want to force everybody to
>> believe in something they didn't prove.  So they can go ahead and suck
my
>> dick.  

The man has a point.

I believe he has potential.

At least more than a holohugger.

Kurt Stele



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rich@c2.org (Rich Graves) wrote:

>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

>In article <4v8sl8$h03@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt
>Stele) wrote:

>> rich@c2.org (Rich Graves) wrote:
>> 
>> >In article <4v840v$5vc@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, kurtstele@aol.com
>> >(Kurt Stele) wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> >Yes, just imagine what would happen if there was a newsgroup dedicated
to
>> >"Holocaust Revisionism."
>> 
>> AND the holohuggers would -allow- it to be a revisionist newsgroup
instead
>> of trying to continually preempt the forum with their holohokum

>Yeah, isn't that free speech thing annoying? If you say something stupid
>and wrong, then people have the right to point out that it's stupid and
>wrong. There oughta be a law against that, right?

Your point was that revisionism had basically already been given "a fair
hearing" in the public arena and had been rejected by the people.

In an attempt to prove your position you cited the fact that Z-grams are
"allowed" to be read ("gee, thanks guys") and that the IHR publishes
books, along with mentioning a handful of interviews given on prime time. 

Big deal.

As if those constituted -equal- airtime with that given the holohoax.

As if those were sufficient to overcome the preconceived bias the jewish
media has implanted in the general public -against- revisionism.

As if those constituted a "fair hearing" considering that the Holohoax is
constantly drummed into the heads of the public through movies, TV, news,
and academia -- while the media and academia deliberately censor any facts
against it. Even the government uses public money to propagate and
inculcate the Holocaust Lie.

And yet you claim revisionism has been given a fair hearing, Rich?

Some fair hearing.

I pointed out that revisionism -hasn't- had a fair hearing because jewish
money-power has succeeded in marginalizing revisionism and excluding it
>from  the marketplace of ideas, except on the internet -- so far.  

This was a point you mysteriously omitted (Gee I wonder why?)

And, as one could guess, what are the Simon Weisenthal Center and the
holohuggers on the internet in Germany and here trying to do?

Trying to censor and criminalize revisionism.

Tyranny from those who decry tyranny the most:  hypocrite extraordinaires.


I -want- freedom of speech.  Freedom of speech would only -help-
revisionism and -hurt- the holohoax.  The jewish Simon Weisenthal Center
realizes this even if you don't, Rich.  

I wasn't -arguing- against allowing rebuttals to revisionism (!) far less
was I arguing in favor of laws to ban free speech.

It's -you- holohuggers who have to pass laws to criminalize thought in
order to silence the dissent to your Holy Myth.

Nothing you can say will change the fact that the Holohugger camp has
unclean hands:  -Holohuggers- silence free speech, not revisionists. 
-Holohuggers- pass Orwellian "thoughtcrime" laws -- not revisionists. 
-Hollohuggers- use jewish money power to harrass, terrorize, boycott, and
silence dissenters.

Some of the holohugger tactics may be putatively legal, but the effect on
chilling free speech is still the same: they still prohibit free speech in
a purportedly free society.  It doesn't matter if there is a law against
free speech or not if one cannot speak out against the Holocaust guilt
swindle, or even so much as -question- its factual validity, without
losing his or her job like Christina Jeffries did.

>> >Just imagine what would happen if the "Institute for Historical
Review"
>> >were able to publish books.
>> 
>> AND it was allowed in the mainstream press the same as holohugger books
>> are.  Witness the cancellation of David Irving's recent book about
>> Goebbels because of jewish money-power

>It was not canceled because of jewish money-power. It was canceled
because
>the staff at St. Martin's, which I've seen cited as a third- or
>fourth-tier publisher for tell-all books about the OJ trial and the
>Unabomber, decided in an open staff meeting that Irving's book did not
>qualify as "nonfiction." And so Irving published it through the IHR.
>Anyone who wants it can buy it. I believe several readers of this group
>have purchased copies.

The jewish ADL began a campaign of terrorism against St. Martins'
staffers, including several death threats. Then St. Martin's chairman
Thomas McCormack announced that the book ahd been canelled despite the
fact that they had a contract with Irving.  McCormack apologized to the
jewish community and said it was all a mistake. Several jews also
threatened to wage economic terrorism against St. Martin's.  _Time_
Magazine, April 15, 1996.  

Economic terrorism is the -real- weapon the jews possess to put the screws
on someone and silence views they don't like. 

Don't you know -anything- about jewish money-power?

Jewish money-power is a VERY big fact in the world.  It's too big for you
to miss if you want to consider yourself educated about how the world
works, Rich

>I believe they're given more air time than flat-earthers and
creationists.
>Probably less than UFO conspiracy theorists (see X-Files or ID4), but
>then, there are more people who believe in UFOs than support Hitler's
>policies towards the Jews. That's probably why Zuendel went into the UFO
>racket, see
>http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/z/zundel-ernst/flying-saucers/

Once again Rich you're only verifying what I said earlier that you
holohuggers have used the jewish media monopoly to marginalize revisionism
and exclude it from the marketplace ideas.  Then after successfully doing
so, you denounce it as a "fringe" movement.

But just because it is considered a "fringe" movement at this time does
not mean, as you have implied, that the public has already "heard it" and
"rejected it."  That is a premature conclusion.  We won't know if the
public will accept or reject revisionism until revisionism is truly given
a fair hearing in the public domain.  

Yet you holohuggers and the jewish media monopoly are preventing the
public from deciding on their own!  It has already been censored it
through prior restraint and denunciation.  The public have a right to know
and decide for themselves whether they have been bamboozled or not. Aside
>from  token and grudging recognition of it, the jewish media at large has
succeeded well in keeping revisionism in marginal status.

Such is insufficient for the public to make an intelligent decision. They
must be allowed free and open debate, and in Germany too where the
holohuggers have -criminalized- revisionism.  

The jewish holohuggers have made up the public mind's for them.

>> >Just imagine what would happen if "Revisioinists" like CODOH, the IHR,
>> >Zuendel, and the "European Student Union" had web sites accessible to
the
>> >entire world.
>> 
>> AND they weren't continually kicked off the internet by jewish
holohugger
>> pressure


>> >Just imagine what would happen if Ingrid's "Zundelgrams" were posted
>> >daily, unedited, to public forums.
>> 
>> AND revisionism wasn't deliberately associated by the media with hate

>Translation: I have nothing to say to this, so I'll blame "the media" for
>the ability of normal people, with no specialist knowledge, to see right
>through neo-Nazi propaganda in a heartbeat.

The media plays a -very- active in the way the public perceives
revisionism. Besides the media actively affirming and inculcating the
holohoax through movies and television, along with expressly and tacitly
supporting use of public money to fund more and more holohoax projects,
museums, and campaigns, the media -omits- mention of the other side.  

It's called prior restraint.  

Most of the public as yet doesn't even -know- there is another side to the
Holohoax (much less that they are being swindled).

But thanks to the advent of the internet, there is the possibility of
breaking the monopoly the jews have on the media which blacks out
revisionism, and disseminating facts the jewish media doesn't want the
public to know or believe.  
No wonder the Simon Weisenthal Center is working so hard to pass
thoughtcrime laws to censor the internet!

Holohuggers like yourself really don't want the public to decide for
itself, despite whatever noises you make in favor of free speech. 
Otherwise, you would be denouncing boldly the continuing jewish attempts
to regulate thought and prevent free debate on the subject.  

Your pretense of favoring free debate while refusing to work to give the
public a fair hearing on issues is almost a big a hoax as the Holocaust
itself.

>> Exactly:  so why are you still a holohugger?

>I originally thought I'd spend no more than three months in
>alt.revisionism after dropping by to defend Mr. Zuendel's right to speak
>freely on the Internet -- a free-speech stance which neither Nizkor nor
>the Anti-Defamation League ever disagreed with, either publicly or
>privately, I might add. I've stuck around because I find you guys such
>fascinating case studies of propaganda, which has always been an interest
>of mine.

>As much as I admire the Nizkor folks, I still doubt I'll be around here
>for long. I have confidence that the truly dedicated people here, with
far
>better qualifications than I have, can defend the truth against this
>"Revisionist" assault in my absence. As a relative outsider, I still have
>the perspective, sometimes lost here, that most normal people, especially
>educated people, can see right through these lies. The agenda of the
>Nazihuggers is just that transparent.

I don't see how you can so glibly dismiss the evidentiary problems with
the holocaust Rich

>I just don't see them (i.e., you) as a clear and present danger. You're
>just a hate-filled kook with no power. 

Yes.  We're all kooks.  I, and David Irving, and Ernst Zuendel, and
Professor Faurrison, and all the revisionists.  Dismissing as "kooks"
those with whom you disagree with is convenient, but hardly effective

>On the other hand, unlike other
>self-proclaimed free-speech activists, I recognize that demonstrating
just
>how much of a hate-filled kook you are, by documenting and refuting every
>single lie, is very hard work, so I am forever indebted to the wonderful
>people who do that work -- so that the rest of us don't have to fight
>another war over this Nazi garbage.

The war over nazi garbage as you call was a war essentially between those
who favored quality over quantity:  the elitists versus the egalitarians. 
The egalitarians won the war.  However, the space between the two is
becoming defined once again, as people are waking up to the realization
that egalitarianism is a lie.  No system based upon a lie can stand
indefinitely. 

The same goes for a history that is based upon a Lie such as the
Holocaust.

Kurt Stele. 


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Subject: Holohugger Tactic #1: "Label him a nazi."
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edkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van Alstine) writes:

>[To kurtstele@aol.com (KurtStele)]

># And I'm still waiting for evidence that your'e not some 
># pimply-faced asshole jerking-off under the covers because 
># he gets his thrills insulting the surviving relatives of 
># the victims of the Holocaust as well as the victims themselves....  

>He's just another stupid little Nazi brat.

[more chummy holohugger bullshit snipped]

Holohugger handbook, Chapter 43 "Final Tactics," p. 529:  

"When all else fails call 'im a nazi!"

Kurt Stele


From kurtstele@aol.com Wed Aug 21 11:38:41 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Keren's fast one exposed
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Marty Kelley  wrote:

>Funny, I seem to remember hearing about Qana on TV, which Mr. Stele
claims
>is controlled by the nasty, nasty Jews.  Were they asleep at the wheel
>that day?

A media doesn't have to be so heavy-handed as to entirely -omit- current
events in order to still be -flagrantly- biased, 

even though our jewish media does indeed -does- omit newstories.    

Here's an example.

The jewish media hyped up the killing of a black crack dealer and his
girlfriend by a soldier at Fort Bragg.  "Racism in the Army!" the jewish
media yammered.  "Hate Crime!" the anchorman denounced, with a righteous
furrowed brow.

A non-white was killed by a white and the media denounced it for weeks,
giving dutiful and concerned follow-up reports on Army investigations
designed to root out racists from the Army.

Then a month later at Camp Pendleton, the large Marine base near San Diego
California a U.S. marine born in Guam smuggled a .45 caliber pistol into
the officers quarters and shot a white marine officer in the chest,
killing him instantly, and critically wounded another white officer. 
Afterwards, the soldier yelled to those nearby that he killed the two
white soldiers "for the brown side" and that they would be more killing of
whites in the future.

A non-white kills a white and the newsmedia didn't say a word.

This happens regularly.  The jewish media is trying to create the false
impression that white crime against the non-whites is more of a problem
when exactly the -reverse- in true.

Yes, the jewish media is biased

in favor of a jewish agenda.  

And it isn't good for Whites.

Kurt Stele


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Subject: Re: "Those Sensitive Nazis."
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kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) wrote:

>In article <4vd69f$8jg@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, 
>kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele) wrote:

>>It's called "common" sense.

>Common sense is what tells us the earth is flat.

common sense is highly relevant to ascertaining how people, not planets,
behave, Ken

>Common sense is what tells us Anton H*ber is human.

huh?

>Convergence of evidence is what history tells us.

history is written by the victors.

Kurt Stele



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Subject: Re: What's wrong with German? was Re: Slithery Nizkor/Keren stuff
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anny@ix.netcom.com(Annie Alpert) wrote:

>In <3204c74c.3815145@news.pacificnet.net> tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran)
>writes: 
>>>
>>>	It's kind of funny that Mr.Keren writing in English, refers
>>>people to a source that is written in German.
>>>

>It's kind of funny that Mr. Moran would consider sources written in
>anything other than German to be definitive, since the crime was
>committed by Germans.   Duh.

Almost as dumb as giving credibility to "gassing evidence" presented by
the Allies.  
By definition the Germans were being tried by its enemies.

Duh.

Kurt Stele


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Subject: Re: Ashholes was Re: "Ash Gets In Your Eyes" - Giwer's New Theme Song
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mcurtis@inetport.com (Mike Curtis) wrote:

>kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele) wrote:

>>schwartz@infinet.com wrote:
>>
>>>In article <3217B79B.6CF3@vegas.infi.net>, The Generalissimo
>>> wrote:
>>
>>>> Thank you sara.  This makes great sense to me.  However you were
wrong 
>>>> about the responses I got!!!!  Wow most people I was answered by were

>>>> calling me names and saying things like, "It was exclusively jews,
Get 
>>>> lost racist".
>>> 
>>>I'm truly sorry to hear that.
>>
>>I'm sorry to hear that too;
>>
>>so are the people now sitting in German jail or who have spent time in
>>jail for having so much as doubted the Holy Hollowcause, 
>>

>Such as?

I'll let you guess Mike.  His first name starts with an 'E' and last name
starts with a Z"  

(If needed, look below for a hint #2.)  

>>along with numerous German soldiers tried and executed in kangaroo
courts
>>for bogus crimes, 
>>

>Such as?

I'll let you guess again Mike.  The Court begins with an "N"

>>as well as professors and professionals fired for in insisting on the
>>freedom of historical inquiry, 
>>

>Such as?

This time the clue is: "F.L." 

I have faith in you Mike.

>>as well as several geriatric former German soldier hounded to the ends
of
>>the earth by frenzied and rabid jews screaming for their blood, 
>>

>Such as?

This time the clue is "J.D."

>>-- all based on a Lie.
>> 

>Such as?

It's starts with an "H"

>>>There are many of us who have lost relatives in the Holocaust, and
there
>>>are many "revisionists" who have mocked those deaths.
>>
>>Or rather, many who have been so imprudent as to demand -real- evidence
>>for those deaths which holohuggers have repeatedly failed to produce,
>>despite the substantial guilt-money they have extorted for their fish
>>tale.
>>

>What evidence would you accept?

how about full documentation -- just for starters, which could properly
carry the burden of proving an alleged "extermination program" was handed
down hierarchically from the Reich leadership, and which would leave a
substantial paper trail that we so far have never found.

Who were the nazis trying to hide these "extermination plan" papers from? 
You holohuggers?

To say an "extermination plan" was entirely done by word of mouth is
preposterous.  We have documentation for the extermination programs of
Stalin, Mao Tse Tung, Pol Pot, and even for the planned extermination of
Germans by a jew (the Morgenthau Plan).  

Yet when it comes to the holohoax there is only threadbare documentation
at best.

Then you can show the world Zyklon B referred to -repeatedly- in nazi
documents, not just once or twice in an apocryphal document here and
there, as a "homicidal gas".  It is already referred to everywhere in nazi
documents as an insecticide and fumigant
 
>>>Matt Giwer, for instance, insists that you "cannot mourn something you
>>>never had" (or words to that effect). He has "informed" us that we have
a
>>>problem because we mourn the deaths of relations we did not personally
>>>know.
>>
>>You may know of a relative "killed in Europe during WWII" -- but who
>>doesn't? Your burden is to prove the Holohoax -happened-

>No, it is your to prove that it didn't. This is the burden of true
>revisionists. You use the data that historians us and deal with that
>AND the documentation or data they (the revisionists have). Start with
>two works. Take Gerald Flemming's _Hitler and the Final Solution_ and
>with proper historical method prove him wrong. Then after you have
>done that your task ought to be easy to move to Raul Hilberg's _The
>Destruction of the European Jews_ and show that he is incorrect. This
>is what it's all about, Kurt. True historical revisionism is difficult
>work. You are one who is very weakly shouting at the top of your lungs
>that accepted and established history isn't true. 

Fascinating holohugger logic.

Holohuggers propound a theory and the burden is on the other to -disprove-
it?  Isn't that the cart before the horse?

I like your view of science:  if one cannot -disprove- a theory, then it
stands by default.

Why don't you -disprove- the following:

"The nazis weren't trying to exterminate the jews.  Otherwise they
wouldn't have shipped the jews over hell's half acre at considerable
expense into camps in which the inmates were kept and maintained,
supposedly just to kill them later by "gas" within from buildings that
couldn't possibly have functioned as gas chambers, and using insecticide
to boot, when the nazis could have killed them nearby at a fraction of the
trouble."

After that why don't you -disprove- the following:

"The nazis were mostly jewish-americans dressed up as nazis."

Remember, like you said if you can't -disprove- a theory, it stands by
default.

How about these:

"The nazis came from outer space."

Disprove it.

"The nazis were created from the crossing of the Devil with several German
women."

Oh. Sorry.  I would never ask you to disprove your religious beliefs

>We do not have to show that the Holohoax happened because there was no
>hoax. This again is your burden. We, as amatuer and proffessional
>historians have already made our case. The ball is squarely in your
>court.

I've got a small telescope you can borrow, and maybe you can find a good
book on "UFO's and the nazis" from Keren's library.  I'd start on your
"disproving" project tonight.  This is science, ya know

>>>And there are some people who ask reasonable questions in a reasonable
>>>way. I try, whenever possible, to respond to those reasonable people --
>>IN
>>>PUBLIC -- so that they won't be afraid to continue discussions.
>>
>>Holohuggers can speak in public because they aren't in danger of
reprisal,
>>harrassment, or imprisonment for their belief.  Gee, how brave of you
>>holohuggers to speak in public. You guys are regular Ernst Zundels.

>You are speaking in public right this second, Kurt, imagine that. If
>you had the proper substantiation for your claims you might be in a
>better position to make certain claims and not look foolish. So far
>you just look foolish and I wouldn't advise speaking out in public
>above a whisper.

yeah but if my employer saw this I'd be in deep doo - doo, thanks you
holonazis creatin' the "hate" taboo on revisionism in order to protect
your fragile holohoax.  And if I was in Germany, you holonazis would put
me in jail.

Shame on you holohuggers.

How does it feel to be on the side of the thought-police and censors,
Mike?

>>>I've also received my share of hate e-mail, believe me. I throw it all
>>>away, and refuse to debate ANYONE via e-mail. If people want to discuss
>>>these issues, we can ALL do it by the light of day, in public.
>>
>>Although the revisionist who speaks out publicly can stand to lose his
>>job,

>Such as?

Gee. I wonder how many professors would ever make tenure if it was known
to the faculty that he or she was a revisionist...

>> unlike the holohugger, at least in the U.S. -legally- he can still
>>openly express doubt about the Holohoax.  These people are the epitome
of
>>tolerance ain't they?
>>

>That's why were here putting up with your unsubstantiated nonsense.

only because your holohugging friends haven't (yet) succeeding in
outlawing revisionism here in America as a "thoughtcrime" like you have in
Germany and elsewhere. But you can be sure they're working on it. Jews in
america have already succeeding in labelling views jews don't like, such
as revisionism, as "hate." Now they're going the next step and linking
"hate" with child pornography. Suddenly Rabbi Cooper and his ilk have gone
>from  arguing for obscenity and pornography in the 60's and 70's to arguing
in favoring of "protecting the children." 

Gee.  With Rabbi Cooper "protecting the children" I feel so much better
now..

I'd give up -my- free speech for the sake of the children wouldn't you?

Kurt Stele


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Subject: Re: Hans Frank
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klewis@awinc.com (Ken Lewis) wrote:

>"Hans Frank, the Nazi Governor-General of the General Government, at a
meeting
>of his top officials held in Cracow on December 16, 1941 spoke openly of
>the purposes of the forthcoming conference:

>'I want to say to you quite frankly that we shall have to finish with the
>Jews one way or another. The Fuhrer once spoke these words: "If united
Jewry
>should again suceed in causing another world war, the peoples who have
been
>hounded into this war will not be the only ones to shed their blood; the
>Jew of Europe will also find his end...."

>About the Jews of Europe, I have only one point of view - the Jews have
>to disappear. They must go. I have begun negotiations to send them to the
>east. In January a big conference will be held in Berlin.
Director-General
>Buhler will attend it. This conference will be held in the Reich Security
>Main Office and will be presided over by SS Oberfuhrer Heydrich. A major
>migration is about to start. But what is to happen to the Jews? Do you
actually
>think they will be resettled in Ostland villages? We were told in Berlin:
>Why all this trouble? We can't use them either, liquidate them
yourselves...'
>(12)

>After a postponement caused by the entrance of the United States into the
>war, the conference was held on January 20, 1942 at wannsee, a suburb of
>Berlin. The participants of the Wannsee Conference included the
director-generals
>(staatsseketar) of the relevant ministries, senior representatives of the
>German ruling authorities in the occupied countries, and the SS senior
department
>heads."

>(12) Nuremberg Documents, PS-2233

Frank too was bragging wildly at trial Hoess-style, trying to curry favor
with his captors. Frank had no actual first hand knowledge of the bogus
"extermination" claims the Allies used to frame the nazis. Unfortunately
for Frank it still didn't keep him from the gallows.  By Frank's own
admission he was "influenced by these five months of proceedings and,
above all... by the testimony of the witness Hoess."  Under examination he
delared that he had read "a lot of things in the enemy and neutral press."
 Goering was forced to shake his head at Frank naive credulity. 

In particular Frank knew nothing about any gassings.  (Die andere Siete im
Auschwitz-Prozef, pp. 42f. 111f.)

If the gassings -actually- occurred certainly Hans Frank surely the
Governor General of Poland would have known about it.

Yet he didn't know shit about it.

You'll have to come up with better "evidence" for your Holohoax fish tale
than eyewitness "testimony" from the defeated at a kangaroo court of
victor's vanquish where the witnesses were tortured, coerced,
psychologically tricked, and falsely promised freedom or mitigated
punishment if they testified to Holohoax lies.

Kurt Stele


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>> Anti-Semites  hold  many erroneous beliefs about  Jews  including 
>> that  they control the financial system or even the entire  econ-
>> omy. Bizarre as such beliefs may at first sight appear, a  power-
>> ful  case  can be made out for them. The roster of  Jewish  names 
>> associated with banking, particularly "international banking", is 
>> so long that it is embarrassing: Goldman, Lehman, Loeb, Seligman, 
>> and  of  course Rothschild, to name but five.  Jewish  names  are 
>> well-represented  in commerce too: H. Samuel the  jewellers,  Am-
>> strad  (owned  by  Alan Sugar), and Marks  &  Spencer,  Britain's 
>> largest  (and  most respected) retailer.  Several  hundred  names 
>> could  be added to this list, but impressive though it is, it  is 
>> an  illusion that Jews in any sense monopolise or  even  dominate 
>> the economy. (1)

>> The  anti-Semitic fantasy is that Jewish commercial  hegemony  is 
>> the result of a conspiracy; the reality is that the Jews are more 
>> successful in the free market largely because they are better  at 
>> satisfying  their customers' demands. 

>>After all, nobody $has$  to  buy from Jews.

That's like saying nobody -has- to watch TV while the jews own nearly
every media company in existence.  What other channels can you turn to?

Duh.

It's called a monopoly.  In a monopoly situation, one -has- to buy from
the monopoly holder.  Jews have a media monopoly.  Ergo one -has- to "buy"
>from  jews

>while i believe a worldwide or nationwide conspricacy amoung jews to
>control the economy is unfounded, this passage doesn't exactly comprise a
>proof against a conspiracy theory.  as for jews being better at business
>than non-jews, i don't buy that either.  what is more likely is that the
>success realized by jews in attaining wealth is largely due to the
>priority jews place in kinship i.e. bethern helping bethern (within a
>family).  therefore if one becomes wealth, he/she spreads it within the
>family.  kinda like how the mafia operates.

The preferences jews extend to other jews extends far more than in the
"immediate family."  Jews give preference to -other- jews on the basis of
their jewry. 

Jews have succeeded in taking over entire businesses through exclusively
jewish associations and ventures.  Look at the jewish-dominated Hollywood.
 

It's not just "intra-familial."  Jews discriminate in favor of other jews
-in general-  

Kurt Stele


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nizkor@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Nizkor) wrote:

>Archive/File: holocaust/poland wlodawa.002
>Last-modified: 1993/04/05

oh no.  There's a whole -index- of 'em

>              The Life and Fall of Wlodawa and Surroundings
>                   Translated by Shoshana Leszczynski
>                Transcribed by kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca

ah yes.  The "Ken McVay" of CIA/spy/ADL/mailbomb fame.

>        [Please refer to Wlodawa.001 for transcription comments]

and side comments

>                             Sobibor 
>                           H. Nivjeska

better title this time

>The extermination camp Sobibor which the Germans began building
>immediately after the invasion of the Soviet Union in 1941 was perhaps
>the most unknown camp. 

"extermination" camp:  a little presumptious are we?

>The little railroad station of Sobibor was located in a forest about 12
>km. from Wlodowa. Here two big buildings and a row of barracks were
>built. Afterwards another building called the "Sanitation Center" was
>added.

let me guess: it was "called" a sanitation center but in reality it was..
it was..  "A DEATH CHAMBER!!!!"   

>The ghetto was a 10 hectares wood, surrounded by 4 walls of barbed wire
>and the area between the walls was mined. Armed guards stood at the rear
>gate. From the high guard towers standing every few metres the whole
>camp was watched day and night.

if the nazis were really trying to exterminate the jews it seems like a
lot of trouble to be going through just to house and guard people whom you
could have easily executed -without- all of this rigamrole. 

Keep in mind absurdity is the -essence- of the holohoax.  

>Ghetto Sobibor was divided into three areas. Two houses for the officers
>were located in the first area. In addition there were workshops for
>tailors, shoemakers, carpenters, and barracks for the labourers of the
>camp.

gee.  They finally admit it.  

The nazis were supposedly trying to "exterminate" the jews but instead
they shuttle the jews into camps containing "workshops for tailors,
shoemakers, carpenters, and barracks for the labourers of the camp."

Now why did they do that?  Is this the behavior of an army supposedly
trying to -exterminate- the jews?  

There was certainly no need to transport at cost prisoners one is trying
to exterminate into a camp.  

And there is -certainly- no need to give those same prisoners the nazis
were supposedly trying to exterminate "workshops for tailors, shoemakers,
carpenters, and barracks for the labourers of the camp."

Those sensitive nazis.

Sometimes the absurdity of the holohoax is so big ya lose sight of it  

>The second area contained the workhouses for the classification and
>assortment of the belongings of the corpses. Here was also the
>beauty-parlour. It was forbidden at the risk of death for the labourers
>of both areas to enter the third area.

Is that what the Allies War Crimes Tribunal told you?  They weren't like
biased or anything

>The purpose of the extermination camp of Sobibor like the camp at
>Treblinka was solely for the liquidation of Jews. This meant that they
>were not mixed camps that included "Arians" too. >It was not a free camp
>like Oswiencim and Maidanek where you were allowed to write letters and
>receive parcels and where news from outside could leak in. Here there
>was not even a hospital besides a "Lazarett" consisting of a deep ditch,
>where old and ill, no longer able to move unaided, were thrown in.

I doubt it.  

The nazis went through the trouble of providing "workshops for tailors,
shoemakers, carpenters, and barracks for the labourers of the camp," why
not go the whole nine yards and provide a hospital?

And numerous documents provide precisely that:  that the inmates in the
so-called "extermination camps" -did- have medical care.

>This camp was created for the sole purpose of conducting a quick mass
>extermination of the Jews. 

And of course all the "workshops for tailors, shoemakers, carpenters, and
barracks for the labourers of the camp" was just another "disguised" prop
to confuse the revisionists.  

Smart nazi.

Dumb nazi.

Darn those nazis go through a lot of rigmarole just to carry out a
supposed "extermination" order which noone could have stopped them anyway
if they had wanted to carry it out.  The nazis didn't need to -hide- from
anyone.

>The murdering of the masses had to be worked out in such a way that no
problems would arise for the executioners and those responsible for
maintaining secrecy. 

Secrecy from WHOM?  

There was no -need- for secrecy from -anyone- if the nazis were trying to
exterminate the jews.  They transported jews to and fro at will and
without fear as you just admitted.

Thus no need for the cockamaimee rigmarole of "disguised shower heads,"
"workshops for tailors, shoemakers, carpenters, and barracks for the
labourers of the camp," and train transportation, etc., etc.

If the nazis were trying to "exterminate" the jews they could have simply
executed them by shooting them

>In addition, care had to be
>taken not to leave any sign of what was done. The torture of the victims
>was just a sadistic addition of the executioners. It was a free pleasure
>without any danger, as all the possible witnesses were as well executed.

right.  These were the same Germans "too sensitve" to line them up at
little trouble and shooting them.  

According to the Holohoax the prisoners were lucky.  If the nazis had been
as "insensitive" as every other "exterminating" army such as Pol Pot's,
Stalin's, and Mao's, then this whole supposed rigmarole wouldn't have
happened, and all of the "milions" of survivors from "death-camps" suckin'
guilt-shekels off the German government wouldn't be around, right?

They could have done that without the rigmarole of "disguised showers
heads" and disguised "workshops for tailors, shoemakers, carpenters, and
barracks for the labourers of the camp."

-Obviously- the nazis -weren't- trying to exterminate the jews

>The German "service" in Sobibor was comparatively small. The system of
>violence and torment of people simplified everything. 

No it actually -complicates- things a great deal for your theory as you
now have the uphill burden of explaining why the nazis supposedly trying
to exterminate jews set up an elaborate and costly train transportion/camp
system when the nazis could have simply executed them without trouble
nearby.

But I forget:  they were "too sensitive" to operate machine guns.

Yet you just told me the "sensitive" nazis were yet able to "torture the
prisoners sadistically."

Your story sounds like what the Israelis -actually- do to the
Palestinians.

Perhaps the jews -projected- things on to their captors, taking material
directly from their own tendencies?

Freud always observed that the jews had a strong tendency to project
things

>The pitiful victims were deceived by the Germans to the very last and
ignorant >of their cruel fate could not possibly have expected it.

Right.  

So these same nazis, having the power to transport jews at will, could
have easily set up a single machine gun, etc.

No need for the zany rigmarole

>Even when the labourers revealed to the Jews that were being led to
>their death, the Jews were more inclined to believe the Germans. The
>warnings of their brothers seemed to them rather illusory.

>Officially they were told that they would be sent for work to the
>Ukraine, and that here in the "Sanitary Center" of Sobibor they had just
>to go through the "Entlausung" -- a desinfectant  shower.

why the nazi rigmarole, Nizkor?

>If not for this blind belief the people would never have gone to their
>own death. They would have attacked their murderers with their bare
>hands and teeth and would wildly run towards the electrified area in a
>mad attempt to escape. Even the weak would have not surrendered with
 any
>attempt of defence but would have fallen down on the earth clinging to it
>desperately and could only have been torn away with force. Thus bringing
>about confusion and disorder in the precisely-run German death factory.
>They would have forced the Germans to increase their numbers on this
>front.

-assuming- these were "extermination" camps instead of labor camps.  

Obviously they were labor camps.  Why else would they have "workshops for
tailors, shoemakers, carpenters, and barracks for the labourers of the
camp."

>There existed many extermination camps and they could not afford such
>allowances while World War was at its peak. In Sobibor there were only
>twenty SS-men. 

all the more reason why the Germans if they were trying to kill the jews
would have simply executed them with a machine gun 

without the rigmarole and cost of transporting them, housing them,
maintaining them, and giving them  "workshops for tailors, shoemakers,
carpenters, and barracks for the labourers of the camp.".  

You yourself admitted German soldiers were at a scarcity.  

If the Germans were trying to exterminate jews it would have been absurd
to do so according the Holohoax's "extermination theory" which needlessly
tied up valuable men.  

It doesn't make sense

>The guards were taken from the "Blacks" as the Ukrainians
>were known, Russian prisoners from Wlasow and a group of Letvians ,
>formed altogether about 300 men. A group of guards stood outside the
>camp in order to prevent the local population from approaching the
>barbed wire fence.

>Besides the entrance gate bore a sign announcing that everyone
>approaching the gate would be shot.

unless that nazi was too sensitive to use his gun.

I think it's now time for the holohuggers to present a "recent finding"
that "there was as on-site psychological counseling center to provide
emotional support for nazis forced to shoot fleeing jews."

>In the beginning of 1941 sealed railroad cars started arriving from east
>and west. These were vans with sealed doors and windows bringing Jews
>from Poland and Russia, exhausted from starvation, thurst  and cold.
Most
>were near death and suffering from suffocation and others were already
>dead. Luxury trains with first and 2nd class cars also arrived and the
>passengers had only handlugagge  signifiying that the were rich Jews
>coming from Western Europe -- France, Holland, Belgium, etc.

if the nazis were supposedly trying to "exterminate jews" why trainsport
them needlessly and unexplainably across Europe:  why not "exterminate" in
France Holland Belgium..  

again it makes no sense 

>Doors were opened and the people entered the camp. They were immediately
>devided  in groups of men and women. They were made to run and were
>beaten and the dogs that had been set after them bit and tore their
>flesh.

remember, these are the same nazis you just told me were "too sensitive"
to fire guns, and why an army supposedly trying to "exterminate" the jews
couldn't execute them through the obvious means of simply shooting them.  

That is your cockamaimee explanation why you claim the nazis were forced,
by default, to exterminate jews using gassing.

such bullshit

>It is very difficult to describe the despair, wailing and howling of
>people who had been sure they were going to work and who were suddenly
>face to face with disaster.

>One of the survivors of such a transport testified afterwards that the
>Germans came to the camp for their "hobbyhorse-riding" in their uniforms
>with white gloves. They watched bursting of  laughter, how these
agonized
>people were tormented and observed how the Ukrainians nearly beat to
>death those trying to approach the well in order to get some water. The
>most beautiful and most elegantly dressed girls were forced to clean the
>privy springs with their bare hands.

where did the "sensitive nazis" go?

>After they had been counted they were brought in through a gate to the
>first area. The healthy and strong were set aside for labour. The rest
>were moved to the second area, where they had to strip off their
>clothes.

>In the beginning the personal belongings of the victims were removed to
>several warehouses. Afterwards three barracks were constructed. In the
>first barrack shoes were taken, in the second -- clothing and underwear,
>and in the third hair was shorn for sanitary reasons.

>They were ordered to throw money and jewels into big bowls.

>After they had passed these three barracks they stood naked and ashamed,
>surrounded by armed Ukrainian guards. Then they were divided into long
>rows and were made to run by whipping them mercilessly. Chasty women
who
>covered their breasts with their hands were pulled out of the row and
>their breast were cut off. 

did the nazi also have two heads?

>Children were snatched from the arms of their
>mothers and thrown on the earth and kicked to death with nailed boots.
>The screaming of the wounded children and mothers maddened even those
>who, by wonder, had not been struck.

where did the sensitive nazis go?

>The way to the "Sanitary Center" was stained with blood and squashed
>brains of children.

sounds more like Qana, where the Israelis -actually- butchered the
Palestinians

>Afterwards they were moved to the third area. Here again they were told
>about their journey to work in the Ukraina. But before they had to take
>a desinfectant  shower and after that they would receive clothing, a
>uniform in order to prevent discrimination between poor and rich.
>Everyone would have the same work.

>Although the victims had just now suffered internal tortures they still
>believed them. They passed obediently through the long and narrow path
>between the barbed wire with green branches.

>In the beginning, when "only" two or three transports arrived a day they
>used gas. Two Russian tanks stood between the chambers and after the
>chambers were filled with people the tanks were set to work and pressed
>the gas in through the pipes. After about 20 minutes the doors were
>opened and the corpses were removed. A lot were still dying. All were
>thrown into deep pits pouring over them chloride of lime and covered
>with ashes.

disguised shower heads?  

I guess they figure we'll believe anything at this point

>In the course of time the method of extermination was improved. A
>special machine was installed creating the gassing routing through the
>pipes directly into the chambers and "Sanitary Center". After a German
>verified the death of the people by looking through a window in the roof
>he ordered the gassing to stop, the floor opened and the corpses fell
>down into a cellar. There the labourers loaded them on carriages
>removing them to the pits.

>The "labourers" themselves were shot after this service. The doors were
>opened to let in fresh air, water pumps were turned on to clean the
>"Sanitary Center". And everything started again.

>When the number of transports increased to seven - eight a day and the
>death machine of Sobibor was no longer capable of handling so many, the
>Germans made the nearby situated Wlodowa an assembly center and sent to
>it a part of the transports. The first once came from Kalish with about
>4,000 people.

>Since then more and more Jews were sent to this assembly center. On days
>when the rate of transports arriving to Sobibor was small the missing
>number of people was filled from the concentration camp.

>At the end the turn of the Jews of Wlodowa themselves also came. The
>SS-men acted here like on other places. First they ordered the
>"Judenrat" to make a list of all the aged, sick, cripples and poor who
>were a burden to them. 

how come the "judenrat" jews weren't also put on trial at Nuremberg with
their complicity with the nazi, since the other nazis' same "crime" was
"taking orders"?

Nuremberg was a regular beauty of justice.

Holohuggers of course typically have no ethical problem with it whatsoever
though

>Those were in the first transport from Wlodowa to
>Sobibor. The second consisted of Jews from Kalish and the surrounding.
>All were ordered to the market place surrounded by Ukrainian guards.
>From there they had to run to the Wlodowa railway station Wlodowa -- Bug
>from where they were brought to Sobibor by train. Anyone failing to run
>the 5 km to the station was shot down.

Eureka  

For the first time the holohuggers stipulate that there existed nazis 
that could fire guns without having a nervous breakdown.

Now.  Follow me slowly holohuggers.

I won't make any sudden moves.

I'll say it -real- slowly.

If the nazis were supposedly trying to "exterminate" the jews 

and at least -one- nazi could operate a water-cooled machine gun

then why did transport them all over Europe 

and into camps 

using valuable resources

and scarce, needed men,

both of which could have been used elswhere

and were actually -needed- elswhere;

why did the nazis 

-if- they were supposedly trying to "exterminate" the jews

go through this costly and puzzling rigmarole

instead of simply executing them nearby

at little trouble?

Obviously we have at least -one- nazi here that can operate a weapon
without gettin' all sensitive and requiring a shrink to do so.

again --- the upshot is, the nazis -weren't trying to "exterminate" jews. 

>On May 23, 1943 the last transport with Jews of Wlodowa left for
>Sobibor. This transport included those few lucky ones needed in the camp
>and those whom the Germans just plain liked and also the Jewish Militia
>that had become superfluous.

>Since the people of the last transport knew already where they were
>being led, they smashed and broke the windows and doors of the cars,
>jumped from the moving train and escaped into the forest in the midst of
>a shower of shots. About 200 pepole got away into the forest this way.

>In June 1943 a very strange transport arrived from Bialistok; cars full
>of naked people packed like sardines. During the whole journey they did
>not even receive a drop of water. In addition chloride of lime was
>poured on them. The dead and living had become one clot which became
>impossible to separate.

>The labourers sorting the belongings of the corpses not once recognized
>the clothes of dead relatives. The gravediggers removing the corpses
>from the cellar under the "Sanitary Center" recognized the corpses of
>their own fathers, mothers, wives and children. The robbed belongings
>were sent to Germany. Objects of value like documents, reports and
>photographs were immediately burnt. Women's hair was packed and shipped
>to the workshops of carpenters for the use of upholstery.

>The death camps worked at full capacity day and night without any
>interruption. When the hideous screaming of the suffocating was heard
>from the "Sanitary Center", the Germans let loose a herd of geese they
>had especially bread for this purpose. The noise that the geese started
>deafened the voices of the suffocating in the gas chambers.

Ah geese.  Nice Hollywood touch.  

I think you could have done better though.

"White doves" would have been more melodramatic, or at least swans

>The Germans desparately tried to keep all their doings in the utmost
>secrecy. 

so that is why the nazis allowed international Red Cross inspectors to
visit the camps on a number of occasions, upon which the Red Cross found
no evidence of -anything- you're talking about?

That's funny.  Letting inspectors into the camps is not at all like the
behavior of an army supposedly trying to "exterminate" the jews and yet
keep it a secret.

The Soviets after WWII wouldn't even let journalists in to inspect the
alleged "gas chambers" to verify their unsubstantiated allegations

>Nevertheless they could not conceal it from the eyes of the
>public. The huge pits were filled quickly. The corpses, though the
>chloride of lime was poured on them started rotting and the dangerous
>stench of putrifaction was smelled for many kilometres in the
>surrounding.

>Afterwards the Germans reopened the graves with excavators and removed
>the corpses to oven where they were burnt. Day and night dense black
>smoke hang over the camp of Sobibor and over the tree-tops of the great
>forest. The air was poisened by the stench of the human flesh and burnt
>bones.

>While the corpses were being burned, the Germans looked for new
>amusements. Together with the Ukrainians they threw Jewish women and
>children alive into the fire.

why not.  I bet the nazis also chewed on their charred bones for awhile
afterwards and laughed gleefully too.

You holohuggers lay it on thick, don't ya? It's that jewish penchant for
exageration, vaudeville, and melodrama. It's not an accident jews dominate
and run Hollywood.

>In March 1944 the corpses of the Jews of Wlodowa and Adampol were loaded
>on vans and removed to the rural Christian cemetry of Olchowka near to
>Wlodowa. There combustable material was poured over them and they were
>burnt.

it's kind of interesting how they haven't found anywhere -near- the ashes
to substantiate their claims of mass extermination.  A few times the
holohuggers tried to claim that a river washed it away, etc.  

The holohugger is never at a loss for an excuse why there mysteriously is
no evidence for this or that aspect of the Holohoax. 

But when you add it all up, you notice there sure are a -lot- of excuses.

"When in doubt, just use eyewitness testimony, that time-proven
institution..."

>One transport included Russian prisoners of war and also a Jewish
>officer named Pazarski. This officer persuaded the prisoners of the camp
>to organise a revolt. They suddenly attacked the Germans and killed many
>of them. Some of the rebels succeeded in passing the barbed wire and
>escaping into the forest. But most of them were killed by mines and by
>the shots. From those who escaped only a small part survived.

>After this revolt the Germans destroyed the barracks and all the
>facilities in the Sobibor camp. Thousands of poisoned, slaughtered, shot
>and tortured by all kind of deathmethods. Justice rests as does the
>conscience of the world.

>-30-

>Note: Extensive, well-documented material 
>regarding Sobibor and Operation
>Reinhard is available from listserv@oneb.almanac.bc.ca, in the REINHARD
>and YAD_VASHEM sub-archives. Those interested in researching the subject
>are invited to begin with our research guide, which contains a
>recommended reading list and bibliography. To obtain the guide, and the
>Yad Vashem Studies Operation Reinhard material, send the following
>commands to listserv:

>	get reinhard reinhard.faq1
>	get reinhard reinhard.faq2
>	index reinhard
>	index Yad_Vashem

"another piece of propaganda brought to you by Nizkor!.."

Kurt Stele


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Subject: Re: Here We Go Again (Re: Evil Holocaust Revisionism)
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mstein@access5.digex.net (Michael P. Stein) wrote:

>In article <4vaqb4$903@newsbf02.news.aol.com>,
>Kurt Stele  wrote:
>>alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan) wrote:
>>
>>>Finally, there doesn't have to be a logical reason. 
>>
>>It's not that there has to be a logical reason. 
>>
>>It's that there has to be an -illogical- reason.
>>
>>The Holocaust positively -requires- that the nazis be illogical, goofy,
>>and stupid.

>    They decided that Jewish babies and geriatric cases were a threat to
>the safety of the Reich and spent valuable resources to transport them
>across Europe in the middle of a war - to hold them prisoner, according
to
>your claims.

>    Is that illogical, goofy, and stupid enough for you?

>    Killing them on the spot may have been more efficient than shipping
>them to be killed (ignoring, of course, the desire to maintain "plausible
>deniability" at least), but killing them on arrival is still more
>efficient and sensible than what you claim was done.

>    Most efficient and sensible, even if you are illogical, goofy and
>stupid enough to believe that the 18-50 year olds were a real threat,
>would be to give the kids to the geezers and let them fend for themselves
>in place.

Gee, armies of Pol Pot, Stalin, and Mao Tse Tung weren't illogical, goofy,
and stupid, and did commit genocide by the normal convenient means of
bullets and starvation, without resorting to goofy gas chambers.

Neither were these armies "too sensitive."

Yet you want us to believe the Germans were too goofy and too sensitive to
do the same had they wanted to?

No army in -history- has ever behaved as illogical, goofy, and stupid as
the Purported Germans of the Holohoax legend.

Yet holohuggers want us to believe in it and not even dare question this
pablum

Kurt Stele




From kurtstele@aol.com Thu Aug 22 06:45:04 PDT 1996
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anybody knows how many U.S. servicemen died in WWII?

On second thought who cares.  As long as you know 'bout the Six Million
that's obviously what's most imporant

Kurt Stele


From kurtstele@aol.com Thu Aug 22 06:45:04 PDT 1996
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Chuck Ferree  wrote:

>ian McKinney wrote:

>> millions that the commies butchered. We never hear about them. I
>> wonder why?????
>> 
>> Ian

>Chuck Ferree writes:

>We do hear about the commie slaughter, plenty and over and over again. 
>This is about the Holocaust. If you're tired of hearing about it, 
>don't tune in to this site. Go play elsewhere.
>Chuck

no Chuck, this newsgroup is about "revisionism." See?  "Ree-vish-un-izum."
You've been spouting your hokum for so long you've forgotten what
newsgroup you're in!

That Chuck.  :  )

Next time please do bother to check the title of the newsgroup you're
posting in.

You being 72 years old we can forgive you for it though.

Now that you know which newsgroup you're in

does this mean you'll go somewhere else?

Somebody point him towards alt.alzheimers.

Keren help him out. 

That Chuck.

Kurt Stele


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mcurtis@inetport.com (Mike Curtis) wrote:

>kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele) wrote:

>>
>>schwartz@infinet.com wrote:
>>
>>>In article <4v8aih$qm7@basement.replay.com>, nobody@REPLAY.COM
>>(Anonymous)
>>>wrote:
>> 
>>>> They are pathetic creatures of the left.
>>> 
>>>Why do you hide under an anonymous handle?
>>
>>Why did jews in the Spanish inquisition "pretend" to be christians?  
>>
>Which Jews were these?

they were called "maranos." 

Kurt Stele


From kurtstele@aol.com Thu Aug 22 06:45:06 PDT 1996
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From: kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele)
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Subject: The Jewish Media Furthers White Genocide
Date: 21 Aug 1996 21:24:20 -0400
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eha@itn.is (Elias Halldor Agustsson) wrote:

>In <4v2tvj$cqk@news-e2c.gnn.com> DHawk666xx@pop.gnn.com (dannie hawkins)
writes:

>>A coward thinks he can live forever if only he can shun warfare.

>So far, so good.  The original goes like:

> sniallr ma r			A cowardly man
>hyggsk munu ey lifa,		thinks he'll live forever
>ef hann vi  v g varask;		if he shuns fighting
>en elli gefr			but old age gives
>h num engi fri 			him no peace
>  tt h num geirar gefi.		even though weapons will.

>>Brave men can live anywhere. A coward dreads all things.

>I've read over all the H vam l (which, incidentally, were put into 
>writing at least a generation before Snorri Sturluson was born) and I 
>can't find anything that looks like the original to this.

>>Cattle die, kinsfolk die, oneself dies the same.  I know one thing only
>>which never dies -- the renown of the noble dead.

>Deyr f 				Livestock dies
>deyja fr ndr			kinsmen die
>deyr si lfr it sama		oneself dies as well
>ek veit einn			I know one thing
>at aldri deyr:			that never dies
>d mr um dau an hvern		judgement on the dead (that is, what ppl 
>				say about you when you're dead, for 
>				better or for worse)

>Well, the White Power Rangers seem to like "The Words of The High One" 
>which, as everyone knows, is attributed to Odin himself.  Why, oh why, do

>they not heed his advice, that a wise man should maintain a cosmopolitan 
>attitude and love diversity?

"Why?" you ask?

Because if the ancient Norse loved diversity then ancient Europe would
look the way the insides of our American cities look today:  multiracial,
crime-plagued, drug-ridden, AIDS-infested hellholes.

Because once Whites love cosmopolitanism, diversity, and race-mixing their
unique gene pool from which the white civilization genius originates will
be racially polluted, diluted, and destroyed. 

Cosmopolitanism and diversity and genocidal to the White race.

Not only that, had the Europeans accepted diversity, cosmopolitanism, and
race-mixing, they would have polluted their blood and never would have
proven themselves the most artistically advanced race the world has ever
known.  Which race has produced ones who can rival the works of Wagner,
Beethoven, and Mozart?  Artists like Rembrant?  

Certainly not jews, although they would vainly cite Mendelsohn, Gershwin,
and Copeland, all whose works pale in comparison to the great European
masters.

Once the White gene pool has been diluted they will cease to -be- a race. 
Their genetic heritage and existence will be forever lost.  Such is the
importance of the gene pool.

Unfortunately, whites today have been indoctrinated with the racially
destructive concepts of cosmopolitanism, race-mixing and diversity thanks
to the pervasive influence of the jewish media, which continually
inculcates these poisonous ideas through movies, TV, and the news press.
Correspondingly, White civilization, culture, and community is dying, as
it labors under an alien value system. 

As the old Norse sages reveal, White values are -not- jewish values. 
Whites naturally value heroism, beauty, and nature -- not materialism,
commercialism, and cosmopolitanism.

But whites cannot blame jews for their current sorry plight. After all,
whites themselves must be responsible for their own destiny as a people.

The current multiracial System is transient and cannot last because it
fails to fulfill the inner needs of each race.  Each race desires and
needs its own geographic space, and naturally wants to be around those of
its own race, and to see its own race reflected in the culture,
traditions, and public figures within the society.  A diverse society is
one in which all races are mutually dissatisfied and increasingly in
conflict.  Eventually we will see an return to ethnostates.  

Methinks it's getting to be time for a change.  

Not just yet. But we're getting there.   

The first step is becoming conscious of where the source of the poison
is... 

Kurt Stele



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dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele) writes:

># You yourself admitted German soldiers were at a scarcity.

>Gassing large groups of people requires far less soldiers
>and ammunition than shooting them, untermench.

Mass shooting takes -more- soldiers than gassing? You ever heard of a
"machine gun" Keren? Firing hundreds (thousands) of rounds a minute?  With
just -one- gunner?

100 nazi gunners each killing 600 an hour (easy) working only 10 hours a
day for only 100 days:

100 machine-gunner X 600 an hour X 10 hours X 100 days = 6,000,000.

Calculate it using over 1000 machine gunners. 

The whole thing could have been done in a little over 3 months if they had
wanted.

you're holohoax is -definitely- bullshit

Kurt Stele


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From: kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele)
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Subject: Re: There's no business like Shoah business
Date: 21 Aug 1996 14:08:34 -0400
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schwartz@infinet.com wrote:

>In article <4vd61l$8eg@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt
>Stele) wrote:

>> If the Nazis were out to exterminate jews, then there was need to build
>> "gas chamber" when killing jews with bullets was the easiest, more
>> efficient, and most logical choice.  
> 
>They did kill many Jews with bullets. What's your point?

No need for costly train transportation of jew or for "gas chambers." 
It's quite a simple point but I'm not surprised you failed to grasp it
being a holohugger and all.  
Transporting jews to "extermination camps" was obviously unnecessary.
Apparently going through the trouble of train transportation was for an
entirely -different- purpose: labor camps (get it right).  Also, there was
no need for "gas chambers" because of the availability of bombs and
bullets. 
 
>> If the nazis wanted to exterminate the jews, the nazis could have
simply
>> took a thousand jews at time and mowed them down.  
> 
>They did that. In towns like Stolin and David Horodoc in Poland. What's
>your point?

no need for costly trains or goofy gas.  See the above.

>> Or simply blown up several hundred jews at a time with a single bomb.  

>They did that. What's your point?

no need for costly trains or goofy gas.  See the above.
 
>> If the Nazis wanted to exterminate the jews, the Nazis wouldn't have
>> transported them, tagged them, and maintained them in camps -- all at
>> considerable expense.
>> 
> Why not? Are you saying that there HAS to be a logical answer to
>everything? Wiping the Jews out was not logical in the FIRST place. Why
do
>you expect sane behavior from insane people?

Love your "cart before the horse" reasoning.  You've been believing in the
Big Lie so long you've forgotten which is a premise and which is a
conclusion -- it's all run together in your paranoic nazi-hating/fearing
brain. You are now to the point -assuming- they were insane of course. 

I realize that is the only conclusion one is left to under your
cockamaimee holohoax theory, but be it known that it is a highly
-unlikely- one.

Pol Pot, Stalin, and Mao Tse tried to exterminate masses of people and yet
they were "sane" enough to use the proper and logical means of bullets and
bombs, not Raid and goofy gas chambers.

But yet you want us to believe that the nazis were too "insane" to use
common sense.  

You guys have a pretty weak case

>> The nazis ran labor camps, not "death camps":  the latter being a touch
of
>> classic jewish Hollywood melodrama. 
>> 
>Prove it. Many of the soldiers who liberated the camps weren't "classic
>jewish [sic] Hollywood melodrama." Why don't you believe THEM?

the liberators found children in some of the the camps in greater
nutritional health then in many parts of Germany at that time. It hardly
bespeaks an "Extermination Plot."

>> Ironically, in their humanity the nazis saw to it that the labor camps
>> were properly sanitized for lice, which is why they used Zyklon B -- a
>> known fumigant manufactured and used for -soley- for that purpose.  We
>> have scads of documents showing Zyklon B was a -fumigant- but none
showing
>> it as a death gas.  
>> 
>Oh, please! That's the LAMEST excuse I've EVER heard. Zyklon B was used
>for HUMANITARIAN reasons?!?
> 
>Prove it.

Zyklon B was a delouser.  Only goofy jews like yourself want to make it
into "homicidal gas."  

I bet the Israelis were never "humanitarian enough" to provide delousing
or sanitational measures for the Palestinian inmates in the squalid
refugee camps the Israelis kept them in.

Kurt Stele


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From: kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele)
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Subject: Holocauster "rationalizes" Qana massacre
Date: 21 Aug 1996 13:52:33 -0400
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Alec Grynspan  wrote:

>Kurt Stele wrote:
>> 
>> alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan) wrote:
>
>I don't give a shit about your idiot fingerpointing at the fact that war
>is hell. 

>The Nazis murdered non-resisting innocent men, women and children in
>their own country and in occupied territory in an explicitly planned
>effort of extermination.

Witness the jewish holohugger "rationalizing" the butchery of Palestinian
women and children

after the holohugger denounced nazis for (supposedly) killing women and
children

and extracted $300 billion guilt-shekels from Germany and our own pockets

under a collective guilt principle

Yet when jews massacre Palestinian women and children

the jewish holohuggers claim "it never happened" or in the alternative

that "war is hell," shrugging their shoulders

and that jews collectively are -not- responsible

and go back to complaining about nazis all over again!

Alec, won't you start a "guilt fund" out of jewish money for the families
of the victims at Qana.

Call it "Shoah II."

or maybe contribute to a movie about it:  "Qana's List."

I'm sure it would be a better use of your time then sending mail bombs to
Matt Giwer

Kurt Stele


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joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) wrote:

>In article <4vfq5r$bfi@newsbf02.news.aol.com> kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt
Stele) writes:
>>From: kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele)
>>Subject: Re: 11-year old sets Canada's Internet Policy
>>Date: 21 Aug 1996 16:05:15 -0400

>>klewis@awinc.com (Ken Lewis) wrote:

>>>>      You seem to overlook the fact that the book was not pulled by 
>>>>Thomas McCormack.  The decision not to publish the book was made by a 
>>>>vote of the senior staff.  The vote was overwhelming; less than 10%
>>voted to 
>>>>publish the book.

>>Gee after the the jewish ADL threatened them both physically

>That's a pretty bizarre and silly claim, even for you -- care to take a
stab 
>at documenting it?

>Didn't think so.

Joel, when you get the chance pick up a copy of _Time Magazine_ April, 15,
1996.

After that you can check out _Jewish Press_ 4/12/96, which "boasts" that
St. Martin's caved into jewish pressure and canceled David Irving's book.

Then you can proceed to to an article from the _Jewish Telegraphic Agency_
by Debra Nussbaum Cohen which explains that St. Martin's cancelled the
Irving contract due to "enormous pressure from Jewish groups and
individuals" and specificially cites Abe Foxman of the KGB-ADL as applying
the primary pressure.

Obviously the jews didn't like what Mr. Irving had to say and used their
power to force St. Martin's to cancel Irving's contract.

So what else is new.

Kurt Stele


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From: kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele)
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Subject: Re: HItler and Stalin
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Alexander Kimel  wrote:

>Dear Friends:

>There is one question that really disturbs me.  All major Holocaust
>perpetrators: Hitler, Himmler, Heydrich, Goebbels and Eichman,
>were born and raised as Catholics.  In addition Stalin, another mass
>murderer, was a dropout from a priestly seminar.

>Was this a coincedence, a statistical aberration or a symptom of a
>malaise?

The so-called "major Holocaust perpetrators" were not exterminationists as
the hoaxsters have claimed. Communicating that and why is one of the
points of this newsgroup, at least theoretically. 

The world's -real- holocausts have nearly all been committed in the name
of Marxism, and for the cause of egalitarianism -- i.e., what holohuggers
believe in.  Karl Marx was himself jewish.

In Stalin's case his secret police, as well as the Soviet leadership
itself, was overwhelmingly jewish.  Most notable among the NKVD for
ruthlessness and sadism were Lavrenti Beria and Yagoda.

Kurt Stele


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From: kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele)
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Subject: Re: "Those Sensitive Nazis."
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klewis@awinc.com (Ken Lewis) wrote:

>On 21 Aug 1996 12:26:51 -0400, kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele) wrote:


>>That's like saying nobody -has- to watch TV while the jews own nearly
>>every media company in existence.  What other channels can you turn to?

>You're not just running off at the mouth here, are you? I mean you DO
>have documentation to back up this assertion that you are willing to
>post here?

>>It's called a monopoly.  In a monopoly situation, one -has- to buy from
>>the monopoly holder.  Jews have a media monopoly.  Ergo one -has- to
"buy"
>>from jews

>You're not just running off at the mouth here, are you? I mean you DO
>have documentation to back up this assertion that you are willing to
>post here?

>>Jews have succeeded in taking over entire businesses through exclusively
>>jewish associations and ventures.  Look at the jewish-dominated
Hollywood.

>You're not just running off at the mouth here, are you? I mean you DO
>have documentation to back up this assertion that you are willing to
>post here?

There's been several claims by holocausters in this newsgroup that jews do
-not- dominate the media, citing gentiles Ted Turner and Rupert Murdoch as
evidence.  What are the facts?  

The question is who as a group owns and controls the lion's share of the
media?  

I'll divide this discussion into into the following categories 

I) The top three media conglomerates in Electronic news and Entertainment:
 Disney, Time Warner, and Viacom  (all three of which are jewish run
and/or owned).  

II) The Big three Newspapers -- The New York Times, the Washington, and
the Wall Street Journal (all three of which are jewish-owned and run).

III) The former top three TV networks -- ABC, NBC, and CBS and their
current status of ownership. 

IV)  The Print media. 

V)   Others.

VI)  The status of gentile media ownership and control

VII)  Conclusion and relevance to revisionism


DISCUSSION

I)  Electronic new & Entertainment

1)  WALT DISNEY

a- The largest media conglomerate in the world today 

b- headed by Michael Eisner (jewish)

c- the Walt Disney Picture group is headed by Joe Roth (jewish) and
includes Touchstone Pictures and Caravan Pictures

d- Disney also owns Miramax pictures, which is headed by the Weinstein
brothers (jewish)

e- Disney owns Capital Cities/ABC, whose subsidiary ESPN, is headed by
president and CEO Steven Bornstein (jewish).

2)  TIME WARNER

a- the -second- largest media conglomerate in the world today, behind Walt
Disney

b- headed by CEO Michael Levin (jewish)

c- Time Warner's is the largest in the magazine publisher in the country
and includes Time, Sports Illustrated, People, and Fortune (headed by
Norman Pearlstine -- jewish)

d- Time Warner's subsidiary HBO is the country's largest pay-TV cable
network

e- Time Warner is also the world's largest record company.

3) VIACOM

a)  The third largest media conglomerate

b)  Headed by Sumner Redstone (born Murray Rothstein -- jewish).  Redstone
-actually- owns 76% of Viacom's shares ($3 billion).

c)  Viacom produces films through Paramount pictures which is headed by
Sherry Lansing (jewish)

d)  Produces and distributes TV programs for the three largest networks
and ows 12 television stations and 12 radio stations.

e)  Viacom's publishing division Prentic Hall Simon & Schuster, and Pocket
Books, and distributes videos through over 4,000 Blockbuster Video stores.

f)  Viacom is the world's largest provider of cable programming, most
notably through Showtime, MTV, and Nickelodeon.


NOTE:  The leadership of the top 3 media conglomerates Disney, Time
Warner, and Viacom is jewish.


4)  Most of the television and movie production companies that are not
owned by the largest corporations are also controlled by jews.  New World
Entertainment which is considered the premiere independent TV program
producer in the U.S. is owned by Ronald Perelman (jewish) who also owns
Revlon cosmetics.

5)  The chairman of New World is the former head of entertainment
programming at NBC, Brandon Tartikoff (jewish)

6)  The best known of the smaller media companies is DreamWorks SKG which
formed in 1994 by recording industry mogul David Geffen (jewish), former
Disney Pictures chairman Jeffrey Katzenbgerg (jewish), and film director
Steven Spielberg (jewish). With the cash and connections these three
possess it is likely that DreamWorld may soon be in the same league as the
big three media conglomerates.

7)  Two other large production companies, MCA and Universal Pictures, are
both owned by Seagram Company, Ltd., the liquor giant, whose president and
CEO is Edgar Bronfman. (jewish)  Edgar Bronfman is also president of the
World Jewish Congress.

8)  Films produced by the just the five largest motion picture companies
mentioned above -- Disney, Warner Brothers, Sony, Paramount (Viacom) and
Universal (Seagram) -- accounted for 74 per cent of the total box-office
receipts for 1995.

9)  The number five biggest media company is the Japanese Sony
Corporation, whose U.S. subsidiary, Sony Corporation of America, is run by
Michael Schulhof, a jew.  Alan J. Levin, another jew heads the Sony
Pictures division.

II)  Newspapers

Jews own the nation's 3 most prestigious and influential newspapers:  the
New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, and the Washington Post.  These 3
papers set the trends and guidelines for nearly all others.  They
originate the news; the others merely copy it.  

1)  The New York Times

a-  headed by CEO Arthur Ochs Sulzberger, Jr. (jewish)

b-  Executive editor is Max Frankel (jewish)

c-  Managing editor is Joseph Lelyveld (jewish)

d-  The Sulzberger familly also owns throught the New York Times Co. 33
other newspapers including the Boston Globe, 12 magazines including
McCall's and Family Circle with circulations of more than 5 million each.
7 radio and TV broadcasting companies.  

e-  The New York Times company transmits news stories, features, and
photographs by wire to 506 other newspapers, news agencies, and magazines.

2)  The Washington Post

a-  Headed by Katherine Meyer Graham (jewish).  She is principal
stockholder and chairman of the board of the Washington Post Co.

b-  Her son Donald is The Washington Post's publisher (jewish).

c-  The Washington Post Co, has a number of other media holdings in
newspapers, television, and magazines, most notably the nation's
number-two weekly newsmagazine, Newsweek.

d-  In a joint venture with the New York Times the Post publishes the
International Herald Tribune, the most widely distributed English language
daily in the world

3)  The Wall Street Journal

a-  Owned by the Dow Jones Company, whose chairman and CEO of Dow Jones is
Peter R. Kahn (jewish)

b-  The nation's largest circulation newspaper -- 1.8 million copies each
weekday.

c-  The Dow Jones company also publishes 24 other daily newspapers and the
weekly financial tabloid Barron's, among others.

4)  Other New York papers

a.  In January of 1993 the New York Daily News was bought from the estate
of the late jewish media mogul Robert Maxwell (born Ludvik Hoch -- jewish)
by the real-estate developer Mortimer Zuckerman (jewish).  The Village
Voice is owned by Leonard Stern (jewish) the billionaire owner of the
Hartz Mountain pet supply.

III)  A Note on the Purported "free competition" of the print Media

After TV news, daily newspapers are the most influential information
medium in America today. Sixty million of them are sold each day.  They
are divided into some 1500 publications.  

Does this large number of publications indicate there exists substantial
independence and competition within the media industry?  Hardly.

Out of the 1500 only 25% are independently owned, and out of that number
over 100 have circulation over 100,000.  Only a handful are large enough
to maintain independent reporting staffs outside their own communities;
the rest must depend on these few for all of their national and
international news.

In only 50 cities are there more than -one- daily newspaper, and
competition is frequently nominal even among them, as between morning and
afternoon editions under the same ownership.  For example, several cities
including Birmingham, AL., Springfield, Mass., and Syracuse, NY. have
morning and afternoon editions that are both owned by Advance
Publications, a holding company of the Newhouse brothers (jewish).  

IV.  The former top three TV networks ABC, NBC, and CBS and their current
status of ownership

The big three in television network broadcasting used to be ABC, CBS, and
NBC.  With the consolidation of the media empires, these three are no
longer independent entities.  While they -were- independent, however, each
was controlled by a jew since its inception:

1)  ABC:  by Leonard Goldenson (jewish)

a-- executive producers of ABC news programs are all jewish:  Victor S.
Neufeld (20/20), Bob Reichbloom (Good Morning America), and Rick Kaplan
(World News Tonight)

2)  CBS:  first by Willliam Paley (jewish) and then by Laurence Tisch
(jewish)

a-- recently purchased by Westinghouse Electric Corporation.  Nevertheless
the man appointed by Laurence Tisch, Eric Ober (jewish) remains president
of CBS News.

3)  NBC:  first by David Sarnoff and then by his son Robert Sarnoff (both
jewish)

a-- NBC is now owned by General Electric; however, the NBC news president
is Andrew Lack (a jew) as are executive producers Jeff Zucker (Today),
Jeff Gralnick (NBC Nightly News), and Neal Shapiro (Dateline).  

Also, for several decades these networks have been staffed from top to
bottom with jews.

V.  Other:  e.g., the top 3 newsmagazines 

1)  Time magazine  

a)  weekly circulation of 4.1 million.

b)  as mentioned before, Time magazine is part of the media conglomerate
Time Warner which is headed by Gerald Levin (jewish)

2) Newsweek 

a)  weekly circulation of 3.2 million.

b)  owned by Katherine Meyer Graham (jewish)

3) U.S. News and World Report

a)  weekly circulation of 2.3 million

b)  owned by Mortimer Zuckerman (jewish), who is also editor-in-chief of
the magazine

c)  Zuckerman also owns the Atlantic Monthly magazine and as mentioned
before, New York's tabloid newspaper the Daily News which is the 6th
largest paper in the country.

4)  the top publisher of children's books is Western Publishing, with more
than 50% of the market.  Its chairman and CEO is Richard Snyder (a jew)
who just replaced Richard Bernstein (a jew)  

5)   Note of the Newhouse media empire:  founded by the late Samuel
Newhouse, a jewish immigrant from Russia.  Now run by his two son Samuel
and Donald Newhouse. Newhouse owns 26 daily newspaper which include the
top newspapers of Cleveland, Newark, and New Orleans.  Newhouse
Broadcasting consists of 12 television broadcasting stations and 87
cable-TV systems, including some of the largest cable networks; the Sunday
supplement _Parade_, with a circulation of more than 22 million copies per
week; some two dozen major magazines, including the New Yorker, Vogue,
Mademoiselle, Glamour, Vanity Fair, Bride's, GQ, Self, House & Garden, and
all the other magazines of the wholly owned Conde Nast group.


VI.  Gentile media ownership and control

Ted Turner:  amassed a fortune in advertising and built a large and
successful cable-TV news network. Turner made a bid to takeover CBS.  To
block the bid CBS invited billionaire theater, hotel, insurance, and
cigarette magnate Laurence Tisch (jewish) to launch a "friendly" takeover
of the company, and from 1986 till 1995 Tisch was the chairman and CEO of
CBS, removing any threat of non-jewish influence there. Subsequent effort
by Turner to acquire a major network have been obstructed by Levin's Time
Warner, which owns nearly 20 percent of CBS stock and has veto power over
major deals.  Subsequently, jewish newsman Daniel Schorr, who had worked
for Turner, publicly charged that his former boss held a personal dislike
for jews.

Turner employs a number of jews in key executive and managment positions
at CNN. Turner has never take public positions contrary to jewish
interests.  Despite being an innovator and garnering headlines, Turner has
never commanded the wealth and power to be a true media master. 
Furthermore, he has discussed a deal with Time Warner to merge, which
would make Time Warner the number one media conglomerate, and Levin would
become Ted Turner's boss.  Turner may have decided if you can't beat 'em,
join 'em.

Rupert Murdoch:  owns the fourth largest media company, News Corporation,
which owns Fox Television Network and 20th Century Fox Films, both of
which are headed by Peter Chermin (jewish). Murdoch has never take public
positions contrary to jewish interests.  

Even those newspapers still until under Gentile ownership and management
are so thoroughly dependent upon jewish advertising revenue that their
editorial and news reporting policies are largely contrained by jewish
likes and dislikes.  It holds true in the newspaper business as elsewhere
that he who pays the piper calls the tune.

VII.  CONCLUSION:  the control of the opinion-molding media is nearly
monolithic.  All of the controlled media -- television, radio, newspaper,
magazines, books, motion pictures -- speak with a single voice, each
reinforcing each other.  Despite the appearance of variety, there is no
real dissent, no alternative source of facts or ideas accessible to the
great mass of people which might allow them to form opinions at odds with
those of the media masters. They are presented with a single view of the
world -- a world in which -every- voice proclaims the equality of the
races, the inerrant nature of the jewish "holocaust" tale, the immorality
of attempting to halt the hordes of third world immigrants pouring into
America, and the desirability of genocidal race-mixing.  And we have just
seen that the media masters are to a large extent jewish.

The jews dominate the media ownership and control.  Yet how is it that
virtually -noone- discusses this incredible and significant fact.  The
media for some reason never reports mentions this fact.  The fact of media
ownership and control is highly significant fact because those who control
the media wield incredible power to mold the public opinions.  

Would it be too -extreme- to say that the media has effectively
-concealed- this fact? 

Do the media have the power to further orthodoxy to the Holocaust tale? 
Yes.  Are the media masters using their power to further orthodoxy to the
Holocaust tale? Yes.  If revisionism -is- true and the holocaust is
largely false, can this truth ever be given a hearing, much less a -fair-
hearing with the current status of media ownership?  No.  Is it any wonder
why the public does not know of the revisionist position and of the body
of facts in its favor?  No. Is it wonder why the public does not know of
the evidentiary deficiencies of the Holocaust tale? No. Considering the
fact that the media was heavily jewish at the time of WWII as well, along
with the torture, coercion, and obvious one-sidednessness of the WWII
"warcrime trials," as well as the benefit the jews received and receive
>from  the Holocaust tale, is it plausible that an anti-German hoax that
serves jewish interest could have been perpetrated and given wide
publicity and acceptance?  Yes.

Does the same jewish power which conceals from the public the fact of its
overwhelming media dominance also have the power to conceal the truth
about the Holocaust tale as well? 

Yes.

Kurt Stele


From kurtstele@aol.com Thu Aug 22 19:42:37 PDT 1996
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schwartz@infinet.com wrote:

>In article <4vfdcb$6qg@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt
>Stele) wrote:

>> 
>> Duh.
>> 
>This is without a doubt the most intelligent thing Mr. Stele has posted
>since he first arrived here.
> 
>Keep it up!
> 
>Sara

whatever it was Sara it couldn't have been as dumb as the claim that nazis
who were supposedly trying to exterminate jews had to use gas chambers
instead of guns because the nazis were simply "too sensitive" to fire
their weapons.

That's one of the best ones I've heard so far.

What is amazing is that it constitutes a pivotal element of the Holohoax
hypothesis.
 
Kurt Stele


From kurtstele@aol.com Thu Aug 22 21:40:03 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: A now a word from Adolf
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klewis@awinc.com (Ken Lewis) wrote:

>On 21 Aug 1996 21:20:13 -0400, kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele) wrote:

>>Gee, armies of Pol Pot, Stalin, and Mao Tse Tung weren't illogical,
goofy,
>>and stupid, and did commit genocide by the normal convenient means of
>>bullets and starvation, without resorting to goofy gas chambers.

>Further testimony of Rudolf Hoess:

>"The gassing was carried out in the detention cells of Block 11.
>Protected by a gas mask, I watched the killing myself. In the crowded
>cells. death came instantaneously the moment the Zyclon B was thrown
>in. A short smothered cry, and it was all over....I must admit that
>the gassing set my mind to rest, for the mass extermination of the
>Jews was to start soon, and at that time neither Eichmann nor I was
>certain as to how these mass killings were to be carried out. It would
>be by gass, but we did not know which gass and how it was to be used.
>Now we had the gas, and we had established a procedure...."

"Look Dad: the holocausters are presenting more eyewitness testimony from
nazi 'witnesses.' I wonder how many times they had to squeeze his balls to
make him say one."  

well that certainly -proves- the Holocaust.

Let me guess: this is the same witness who testified that the nazis forced
women to clean buildings with their tongues and that the nazis cut off
women's breasts and ate them right?

Kurt Stele


From kurtstele@aol.com Thu Aug 22 21:40:05 PDT 1996
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yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>   kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele) writes:
>>  mcurtis@inetport.com (Mike Curtis) wrote:

>>  >>Why did jews in the Spanish inquisition "pretend" to be christians? 


>>  >Which Jews were these?
>  
>>  they were called "maranos." 

>	Nope "maranos" were Jews who converted to Christianity.

so they "claimed" to convert.  Most of them never did and simply went
underground, yet they professed Christianity to the authorities. 
Understandably this was done because their views, like the revisionists
and the politically incorrect of today, were unpopular.  Yet noone
denounces the jews as cowards or liars. 

You holohuggers make it a sin to doubt the holocaust yet you denounce
revisionists as cowards for using an anonymous name to protect themselves
>from  persecution. 

Kurt Stele


From kurtstele@aol.com Thu Aug 22 22:14:43 PDT 1996
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From: kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele)
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Subject: Re: "Those Sensitive Nazis."
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mcurtis@inetport.com (Mike Curtis) wrote:

>yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>>   kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele) writes:
>>
>>>  There was no need to transport the jews at cost to kill them
elsewhere if
>>>  they could have been killed nearby.  
>>
>>	On what basis do you state that the transportation "cost" the nazi

>>government.  As a matter of fact, the transportees were charged normal
train 
>>fares which was taken from confiscated Jewish property.
>>

>I told him this. He ignored this. He's a typical denier stooge. He's
>here to post his hate. Show that he has no answers to our questions
>and look foolish. 

Mike I've already addressed this.  It is absurd to claim that nazis who
were supposedly trying to exterminate jews would pay for a needless
camp/train transportation system when they could have simply executed them
nearby.  The nazis were fighting a 2-front war and men and money were at
all-time premium. Or even if they had wanted to "gas" jews instead of
easily shooting them, which itself would have been inexplicable, they
could have set up gas chambers nearby since according to the holocausters
any old barn will do for a gas-chamber.  

Aren't you paying attention?

Kurt Stele


From kurtstele@aol.com Thu Aug 22 22:14:44 PDT 1996
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yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>   kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele) writes:
>>  mcurtis@inetport.com (Mike Curtis) wrote:

>>  >>Why did jews in the Spanish inquisition "pretend" to be christians? 


>>  >Which Jews were these?
>  
>>  they were called "maranos." 

>	Nope "maranos" were Jews who converted to Christianity.

They "claimed" to convert.  Most of them never did and simply went
underground, yet they professed Christianity to the authorities. 
Understandably this was done because their views, like the revisionists
and the politically incorrect of today, were unpopular.  Yet noone
denounces the jews as cowards or liars. 

You holohuggers make it a sin to doubt the holocaust yet you denounce
revisionists as cowards for using an anonymous name to protect themselves
>from  persecution.  

Kurt Stele


From kurtstele@aol.com Fri Aug 23 06:27:05 PDT 1996
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Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote:

>I too have often wondered at the utility of Andrew Mathis to his 
>professed Jewish cause.

>After all, he openly advocates the killing, rape, torture, and 
>imprisonment of those with whome he disagrees, and his posts often 
>consist of obscene one-liners tacked on the end of long documents with 
>which he purportedly disagrees. He may indeed be influencing readers to 
>consider again the merits of a case made so poorly, and with such obvious

>calls to violence and other methods of "silencing" his putative 
>opposition he is not likely to attract many to his side.

>But I disagree with you when you state that the strongest case for Mr. 
>Mathis's not being what he claims is his statement that "Jews are not 
>Germans."

>This is just simple fact; stones are not oceans; women are not men; and 
>lice are not horses. The fact that Mr. Mathis and the German government 
>of the 1930s agree on this merely indicates that both can see what exists

>in the real world far better than the brain-dead blankoes who insist that

>a nationality consists of all arguably human beings presently aspirating 
>within certain latitudinal and longitudinal limits.

>With good wishes,

>Kevin Alfred Strom

whenever a jewish holohugger on alt.revisionism says something evincing
jewish supremacy or a hatred for European civilization the rest of the
holohuggers jump in and poo-poo him as an imposter.  A jew awhile ago
merely repeated the Old Testament contempt for the inferior goyim and the
holohuggers here began screaming some Huber did it.

Why should we now believe that Andrew Mathis too is an imposter?

A hatred of Europeans and a philistine contempt for their culture is
merely the natural outcome, and indeed the intended result, of the
Holocaust horror-tale.

Kurt Stele


From kurtstele@aol.com Fri Aug 23 06:27:07 PDT 1996
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mike@aimetering.com (Mike Curtis) wrote:

>kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele) wrote:

>>As if those constituted a "fair hearing" considering that the Holohoax
is
>>constantly drummed into the heads of the public through movies, TV,
news,
>>and academia 

>Care to actually provide examples?

Mike Curtis wants proof that the media continually furthers the Holocaust
Tale.  

I haven't the heart even to say "Shindler's List" for starters.

what are you supposed to do with a guy like that?  

Kurt Stele


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From: kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele)
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Subject: The Proof of Jewish Media Control
Date: 22 Aug 1996 18:24:15 -0400
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klewis@awinc.com (Ken Lewis) wrote:

>On 21 Aug 1996 12:26:51 -0400, kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele) wrote:

>>That's like saying nobody -has- to watch TV while the jews own nearly
>>every media company in existence.  What other channels can you turn to?

>You're not just running off at the mouth here, are you? I mean you DO
>have documentation to back up this assertion that you are willing to
>post here?

>>It's called a monopoly.  In a monopoly situation, one -has- to buy from
>>the monopoly holder.  Jews have a media monopoly.  Ergo one -has- to
"buy"
>>from jews

>You're not just running off at the mouth here, are you? I mean you DO
>have documentation to back up this assertion that you are willing to
>post here?

>>Jews have succeeded in taking over entire businesses through exclusively
>>jewish associations and ventures.  Look at the jewish-dominated
Hollywood.

>You're not just running off at the mouth here, are you? I mean you DO
>have documentation to back up this assertion that you are willing to
>post here?

There's been several claims by holocausters in this newsgroup that jews do
-not- dominate the media, citing gentiles Ted Turner and Rupert Murdoch as
evidence.  What are the facts?  

The question is who as a group owns and controls the lion's share of the
media?  

I'll divide this discussion into into the following categories 

I) The top three media conglomerates in Electronic news and Entertainment:
 Disney, Time Warner, and Viacom  (all three of which are jewish run
and/or owned).  

II) The Big three Newspapers -- The New York Times, the Washington, and
the Wall Street Journal (all three of which are jewish-owned and run).

III) The former top three TV networks -- ABC, NBC, and CBS and their
current status of ownership. 

IV)  The Print media. 

V)   Others.

VI)  The status of gentile media ownership and control

VII)  Conclusion and relevance to revisionism


DISCUSSION

I)  Electronic new & Entertainment

1)  WALT DISNEY

a- The largest media conglomerate in the world today 

b- headed by Michael Eisner (jewish)

c- the Walt Disney Picture group is headed by Joe Roth (jewish) and
includes Touchstone Pictures and Caravan Pictures

d- Disney also owns Miramax pictures, which is headed by the Weinstein
brothers (jewish)

e- Disney owns Capital Cities/ABC, whose subsidiary ESPN, is headed by
president and CEO Steven Bornstein (jewish).

2)  TIME WARNER

a- the -second- largest media conglomerate in the world today, behind Walt
Disney

b- headed by CEO Michael Levin (jewish)

c- Time Warner's is the largest in the magazine publisher in the country
and includes Time, Sports Illustrated, People, and Fortune (headed by
Norman Pearlstine -- jewish)

d- Time Warner's subsidiary HBO is the country's largest pay-TV cable
network

e- Time Warner is also the world's largest record company.

3) VIACOM

a)  The third largest media conglomerate

b)  Headed by Sumner Redstone (born Murray Rothstein -- jewish).  Redstone
-actually- owns 76% of Viacom's shares ($3 billion).

c)  Viacom produces films through Paramount pictures which is headed by
Sherry Lansing (jewish)

d)  Produces and distributes TV programs for the three largest networks
and ows 12 television stations and 12 radio stations.

e)  Viacom's publishing division Prentic Hall Simon & Schuster, and Pocket
Books, and distributes videos through over 4,000 Blockbuster Video stores.

f)  Viacom is the world's largest provider of cable programming, most
notably through Showtime, MTV, and Nickelodeon.


NOTE:  The leadership of the top 3 media conglomerates Disney, Time
Warner, and Viacom is jewish.


4)  Most of the television and movie production companies that are not
owned by the largest corporations are also controlled by jews.  New World
Entertainment which is considered the premiere independent TV program
producer in the U.S. is owned by Ronald Perelman (jewish) who also owns
Revlon cosmetics.

5)  The chairman of New World is the former head of entertainment
programming at NBC, Brandon Tartikoff (jewish)

6)  The best known of the smaller media companies is DreamWorks SKG which
formed in 1994 by recording industry mogul David Geffen (jewish), former
Disney Pictures chairman Jeffrey Katzenbgerg (jewish), and film director
Steven Spielberg (jewish). With the cash and connections these three
possess it is likely that DreamWorld may soon be in the same league as the
big three media conglomerates.

7)  Two other large production companies, MCA and Universal Pictures, are
both owned by Seagram Company, Ltd., the liquor giant, whose president and
CEO is Edgar Bronfman. (jewish)  Edgar Bronfman is also president of the
World Jewish Congress.

8)  Films produced by the just the five largest motion picture companies
mentioned above -- Disney, Warner Brothers, Sony, Paramount (Viacom) and
Universal (Seagram) -- accounted for 74 per cent of the total box-office
receipts for 1995.

9)  The number five biggest media company is the Japanese Sony
Corporation, whose U.S. subsidiary, Sony Corporation of America, is run by
Michael Schulhof, a jew.  Alan J. Levin, another jew heads the Sony
Pictures division.

II)  Newspapers

Jews own the nation's 3 most prestigious and influential newspapers:  the
New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, and the Washington Post.  These 3
papers set the trends and guidelines for nearly all others.  They
originate the news; the others merely copy it.  

1)  The New York Times

a-  headed by CEO Arthur Ochs Sulzberger, Jr. (jewish)

b-  Executive editor is Max Frankel (jewish)

c-  Managing editor is Joseph Lelyveld (jewish)

d-  The Sulzberger familly also owns throught the New York Times Co. 33
other newspapers including the Boston Globe, 12 magazines including
McCall's and Family Circle with circulations of more than 5 million each.
7 radio and TV broadcasting companies.  

e-  The New York Times company transmits news stories, features, and
photographs by wire to 506 other newspapers, news agencies, and magazines.

2)  The Washington Post

a-  Headed by Katherine Meyer Graham (jewish).  She is principal
stockholder and chairman of the board of the Washington Post Co.

b-  Her son Donald is The Washington Post's publisher (jewish).

c-  The Washington Post Co, has a number of other media holdings in
newspapers, television, and magazines, most notably the nation's
number-two weekly newsmagazine, Newsweek.

d-  In a joint venture with the New York Times the Post publishes the
International Herald Tribune, the most widely distributed English language
daily in the world

3)  The Wall Street Journal

a-  Owned by the Dow Jones Company, whose chairman and CEO of Dow Jones is
Peter R. Kahn (jewish)

b-  The nation's largest circulation newspaper -- 1.8 million copies each
weekday.

c-  The Dow Jones company also publishes 24 other daily newspapers and the
weekly financial tabloid Barron's, among others.

4)  Other New York papers

a.  In January of 1993 the New York Daily News was bought from the estate
of the late jewish media mogul Robert Maxwell (born Ludvik Hoch -- jewish)
by the real-estate developer Mortimer Zuckerman (jewish).  The Village
Voice is owned by Leonard Stern (jewish) the billionaire owner of the
Hartz Mountain pet supply.

III)  A Note on the Purported "free competition" of the print Media

After TV news, daily newspapers are the most influential information
medium in America today. Sixty million of them are sold each day.  They
are divided into some 1500 publications.  

Does this large number of publications indicate there exists substantial
independence and competition within the media industry?  Hardly.

Out of the 1500 only 25% are independently owned, and out of that number
over 100 have circulation over 100,000.  Only a handful are large enough
to maintain independent reporting staffs outside their own communities;
the rest must depend on these few for all of their national and
international news.

In only 50 cities are there more than -one- daily newspaper, and
competition is frequently nominal even among them, as between morning and
afternoon editions under the same ownership.  For example, several cities
including Birmingham, AL., Springfield, Mass., and Syracuse, NY. have
morning and afternoon editions that are both owned by Advance
Publications, a holding company of the Newhouse brothers (jewish).  

IV.  The former top three TV networks ABC, NBC, and CBS and their current
status of ownership

The big three in television network broadcasting used to be ABC, CBS, and
NBC.  With the consolidation of the media empires, these three are no
longer independent entities.  While they -were- independent, however, each
was controlled by a jew since its inception:

1)  ABC:  by Leonard Goldenson (jewish)

a-- executive producers of ABC news programs are all jewish:  Victor S.
Neufeld (20/20), Bob Reichbloom (Good Morning America), and Rick Kaplan
(World News Tonight)

2)  CBS:  first by Willliam Paley (jewish) and then by Laurence Tisch
(jewish)

a-- recently purchased by Westinghouse Electric Corporation.  Nevertheless
the man appointed by Laurence Tisch, Eric Ober (jewish) remains president
of CBS News.

3)  NBC:  first by David Sarnoff and then by his son Robert Sarnoff (both
jewish)

a-- NBC is now owned by General Electric; however, the NBC news president
is Andrew Lack (a jew) as are executive producers Jeff Zucker (Today),
Jeff Gralnick (NBC Nightly News), and Neal Shapiro (Dateline).  

Also, for several decades these networks have been staffed from top to
bottom with jews.

V.  Other:  e.g., the top 3 newsmagazines 

1)  Time magazine  

a)  weekly circulation of 4.1 million.

b)  as mentioned before, Time magazine is part of the media conglomerate
Time Warner which is headed by Gerald Levin (jewish)

2) Newsweek 

a)  weekly circulation of 3.2 million.

b)  owned by Katherine Meyer Graham (jewish)

3) U.S. News and World Report

a)  weekly circulation of 2.3 million

b)  owned by Mortimer Zuckerman (jewish), who is also editor-in-chief of
the magazine

c)  Zuckerman also owns the Atlantic Monthly magazine and as mentioned
before, New York's tabloid newspaper the Daily News which is the 6th
largest paper in the country.

4)  the top publisher of children's books is Western Publishing, with more
than 50% of the market.  Its chairman and CEO is Richard Snyder (a jew)
who just replaced Richard Bernstein (a jew)  

5)   Note of the Newhouse media empire:  founded by the late Samuel
Newhouse, a jewish immigrant from Russia.  Now run by his two son Samuel
and Donald Newhouse. Newhouse owns 26 daily newspaper which include the
top newspapers of Cleveland, Newark, and New Orleans.  Newhouse
Broadcasting consists of 12 television broadcasting stations and 87
cable-TV systems, including some of the largest cable networks; the Sunday
supplement _Parade_, with a circulation of more than 22 million copies per
week; some two dozen major magazines, including the New Yorker, Vogue,
Mademoiselle, Glamour, Vanity Fair, Bride's, GQ, Self, House & Garden, and
all the other magazines of the wholly owned Conde Nast group.


VI.  Gentile media ownership and control

Ted Turner:  amassed a fortune in advertising and built a large and
successful cable-TV news network. Turner made a bid to takeover CBS.  To
block the bid CBS invited billionaire theater, hotel, insurance, and
cigarette magnate Laurence Tisch (jewish) to launch a "friendly" takeover
of the company, and from 1986 till 1995 Tisch was the chairman and CEO of
CBS, removing any threat of non-jewish influence there. Subsequent effort
by Turner to acquire a major network have been obstructed by Levin's Time
Warner, which owns nearly 20 percent of CBS stock and has veto power over
major deals.  Subsequently, jewish newsman Daniel Schorr, who had worked
for Turner, publicly charged that his former boss held a personal dislike
for jews.

Turner employs a number of jews in key executive and managment positions
at CNN. Turner has never take public positions contrary to jewish
interests.  Despite being an innovator and garnering headlines, Turner has
never commanded the wealth and power to be a true media master. 
Furthermore, he has discussed a deal with Time Warner to merge, which
would make Time Warner the number one media conglomerate, and Levin would
become Ted Turner's boss.  Turner may have decided if you can't beat 'em,
join 'em.

Rupert Murdoch:  owns the fourth largest media company, News Corporation,
which owns Fox Television Network and 20th Century Fox Films, both of
which are headed by Peter Chermin (jewish). Murdoch has never take public
positions contrary to jewish interests.  

Even those newspapers still until under Gentile ownership and management
are so thoroughly dependent upon jewish advertising revenue that their
editorial and news reporting policies are largely contrained by jewish
likes and dislikes.  It holds true in the newspaper business as elsewhere
that he who pays the piper calls the tune.

VII.  CONCLUSION:  the control of the opinion-molding media is nearly
monolithic.  All of the controlled media -- television, radio, newspaper,
magazines, books, motion pictures -- speak with a single voice, each
reinforcing each other.  Despite the appearance of variety, there is no
real dissent, no alternative source of facts or ideas accessible to the
great mass of people which might allow them to form opinions at odds with
those of the media masters. They are presented with a single view of the
world -- a world in which -every- voice proclaims the equality of the
races, the inerrant nature of the jewish "holocaust" tale, the immorality
of attempting to halt the hordes of third world immigrants pouring into
America, and the desirability of genocidal race-mixing.  And we have just
seen that the media masters are to a large extent jewish.

The jews dominate the media ownership and control.  Yet how is it that
virtually -noone- discusses this incredible and significant fact.  The
media for some reason never reports mentions this fact.  The fact of media
ownership and control is highly significant fact because those who control
the media wield incredible power to mold the public opinions.  

Would it be too -extreme- to say that the media has effectively
-concealed- this fact? 

Do the media have the power to further orthodoxy to the Holocaust tale? 
Yes.  Are the media masters using their power to further orthodoxy to the
Holocaust tale? Yes.  If revisionism -is- true and the holocaust is
largely false, can this truth ever be given a hearing, much less a -fair-
hearing with the current status of media ownership?  No.  Is it any wonder
why the public does not know of the revisionist position and of the body
of facts in its favor?  No. Is it wonder why the public does not know of
the evidentiary deficiencies of the Holocaust tale? No. Considering the
fact that the media was heavily jewish at the time of WWII as well, along
with the torture, coercion, and obvious one-sidednessness of the WWII
"warcrime trials," as well as the benefit the jews received and receive
>from  the Holocaust tale, is it plausible that an anti-German hoax that
serves jewish interest could have been perpetrated and given wide
publicity and acceptance?  Yes.

Do the same jewish power which conceals from the public the fact of its
overwhelming media dominance also have the power to conceal the truth
about the Holocaust tale as well? 

Yes.

Kurt Stele


From kurtstele@aol.com Fri Aug 23 06:27:09 PDT 1996
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From: kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele)
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Subject: Re: HItler and Stalin
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dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele) writes:

># In Stalin's case his secret police, as well as the Soviet
># leadership itself, was overwhelmingly jewish.  Most notable
># among the NKVD for ruthlessness and sadism were Lavrenti      
># Beria and Yagoda.

>More lies from the untermench. Beria was not Jewish.

he most certainly was. Next thing Keren is going to be telling me that KGB
killing-fiend Yagoda wasn't jewish either, or even that the media is run
by gentiles

Kurt Stele


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From: kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele)
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Subject: Re: Lauck gets 4 years
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tilman@berlin.snafu.de (Tilman Hausherr) wrote:

>(Btw, NSDAP/AO is a *tax-exempt* organisation in the US !!!)

>                     German Court convicts
>                     American neo-Nazi

>                     August 22, 1996
>                     Web posted at: 12:30 p.m. EDT (1630 GMT) 

>                     HAMBURG, Germany (CNN) -- A
>                     well-known American neo-Nazi
>                     was convicted Thursday of illegally
>                     distributing hate propaganda and
>                     was sentenced to four years in
>                     prison. 

>                     The Hamburg state court found
>                     Gary Lauck -- an outspoken admirer of Adolf Hitler
and
>                    Nazi ideology -- guilty on charges of inciting racial
hatred
>                     and distributing propaganda in violation of the
German
>                     constitution. 

>                     Lauck, 43, prints his publications in the United
States and
>                     mails them to neo-Nazis abroad, including Germany,
from
>                     his base in Lincoln, Nebraska. He has been in jail,
>                     however, since his arrest in Denmark and extradition
to
>                     Germany in 1995. 

>                     As the verdict was read, Lauck protested vehemently
in
>                     German "Neither the communists nor the Nazis ever
dared
>                     to kidnap an American citizen! The fight will go
on!" 

>                                                      Prosecutors had
>                                                      argued that Lauck
>                                                      for two decades
>                                                      was the main
>                                                      supplier to German
>                                                      fascists of
>                                                      brochures, Nazi and
>                                                      neo- Nazi stickers,
>                                                      arm bands, banners
>                                                      and signs. Lauck
>                                                      heads the National
>                                                      Socialist German
>                     Workers' Party-Overseas Organization, which was
banned
>                     in Germany in 1974. He also illegally distributed
the
>                     "NS-Battle Cry" newsletter. 

>                     Lauck's attorney Hans-Otto Sieg maintained his
client's
>                     actions were legal under U.S. constitutional
guarantees of
>                     free speech. Sieg said he would appeal. 

>                     German prosecutors had sought a five-year prison
term.
>                     The prison time Lauck has already served was
deducted
>                     from the sentence. 

>                     In explaining the verdict, presiding judge Guenter
Bertram
>                     said Germany must not tolerate neo-Nazi
propagandists. 

>                     Lauck "would like to be the world's greatest Nazi
>                     propagandist and the Fuehrer's most glowing
follower,"
>                     the judge said. 

There they go again, putting more people behind bars for "eeevil"
thoughts. I guess the holohuggers are really the new thought police.  

_1984_ was written for people like the holonazis.  "You thought criminal!
How -dare- you think those thoughts! Off to jail you go."

Nevermind that he was an American citizen, put on trial by a foreign
country, and without one -peep- of protest from the U.S. government.  Had
it been an American jew put on trial in a foreign land, you can just
imagine the furious outcry that would have been created. 

Score another victory for the new thought police.  

Kurt Stele


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From: kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele)
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Subject: Re: 11-year old sets Canada's Internet Policy
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yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>   kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele) writes:

>>  Joel, when you get the chance pick up a copy of _Time Magazine_ April,
15,
>>  1996.

>	There is no mention of threats of physical violence.  There were
threats 
>of an economic boycott.  Do you have a problem with economic boycotts?

yes I do. When jewish-money aligns itself against an opponent, they are
able to have a chilling effect on free speech. If jews don't like the
opinion of any media writer on an issue, they can boycott the newspaper,
and forced conformity to their opinions.  In this way jewish-money power
directs and control the channels of the media and heavily influence our
elected officials. It's no wonder Spielberg is getting $1 million from our
tax dollars for more holocaust films, as if we need more of that horse
puckey. I'm surprised he didn't get -more- than a million dollars
considering the considerable pull jewish-money power has. Spielberg was
probably thinking he was being easy on us.  Anyone that so much as
questions it is immediately labelled an neo-nasty anti-semite, the same
way you guys label revisionists here.

Jewish-money power, through the economic boycott, forces people to conform
to their desired opinions while silencing and intimidating dissenters. It
is no less effective and thus is no less a form of repression and tyranny
than legal or military coercion.   

>	Well for one things, your lies are not new.

Would the ADL ever pressure anyone who's view they didn't like?  Naah. 

Would a group of people with unchallengable money-power ever use it to
further there own interests and silence views they dislike?

Nah..

Kurt Stele


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schwartz@infinet.com wrote:

>In article <4vfcpo$6ll@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt
>Stele) wrote:

>[racist drivel deleted]


>> A media doesn't have to be so heavy-handed as to entirely -omit-
current
>> events in order to still be -flagrantly- biased, 
>> 
>> even though our jewish media does indeed -does- omit newstories.    

>Except the whole "Jewish media" thing is a complete fabrication. You
folks
>pull this one out any time you realize you've lost all your other
>arguments.
> 
>It's been proven false again and again and again and again.
> 
>Yet you continue to yammer away as if saying it makes it true.
> 
>It doesn't.
> 
>And it isn't.
> 
>Sara

now come on Sara, stop being coy. You know very well the jews dominate and
run the media.  Don't make me list all those jewish media bosses and
expose this dirty little secret.

Let me guess:  you're going to try the ole "Ted Turner" ruse, right?

Kurt Stele


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From: kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele)
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Subject: Re: Holohugger Tactic #1: "Label him a nazi."
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klewis@awinc.com (Ken Lewis) wrote:

>On 20 Aug 1996 15:57:10 -0400, kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele) wrote:

>>edkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote:
>>
>>>mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van Alstine) writes:
>>
>>>[To kurtstele@aol.com (KurtStele)]
>>
>>># And I'm still waiting for evidence that your'e not some 
>>># pimply-faced asshole jerking-off under the covers because 
>>># he gets his thrills insulting the surviving relatives of 
>>># the victims of the Holocaust as well as the victims themselves....  
>>
>>>He's just another stupid little Nazi brat.
>>
>>[more chummy holohugger bullshit snipped]
>>
>>Holohugger handbook, Chapter 43 "Final Tactics," p. 529:  
>>
>>"When all else fails call 'im a nazi!"

>Well, if the jackboots fit ....
 
anyone who criticizes jews or questions the holocaust is labelled a nazi. 
Am I a nazi under -that- definition?

well...

Kurt Stele


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Subject: Anti-anti-semitism
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Chuck Ferree  wrote:

>Yes there are bigots and fanatics among Jews. Why not. They are people 
>too. 

Yes jews are people too.  And people make mistakes.  Yet for some reason
the jews consider themselves above criticism.

Criticizing jews in any way in known as "anti-semitism."  

Yet jews are free to criticize the societies and natural values of Germans
and other Europeans.  This is hypocrisy, pure and simple. 

If the jews are indeed people like anyone else then they should be
criticized like anyone else. Criticism is justified when jews do bad
things against other peoples , like when they commit brutality against
Palestinians and tell tall tales (e.g., the Holohoax) to extort money from
the Europeans, or when they further policies like third-world immigration
and race-mixing that endangers and will ultimately destroy the White race.

Jews do not allow criticism of themselves yet like any other people they
commit destructive actions.  

It is a double standard.

This never-ending hypocrisy, which bespeaks an unmistakable arrogance and
supremacism, creates and always has created deep resentment within the
jew's host peoples.

Thus begins the age-old cycle of anti-semitism.

The jews will not and never have permitted the "goy" to criticize -them-
yet the jews criticize, dominate, exploit, and displace the natural values
of the nations which they inhabit. 

Despite the fact that jews are people too and people make mistakes, one
still is not permitted to direct legitimate criticism towards jews without
being branded an "anti-semite." If the jews would only play by the same
rules and allow themselves to be criticized in the same way they criticize
everyone else then anti-semitism would probably be greatly reduced.  Jews
could spare themselves much of the hatred that they themselves create
within the populations of their host nations if they would only heed that
advice.  But they cannot.  It is against their nature.

Therein lies the problem.

Kurt Stele

"Those Jews who still want to be the chosen Race can go to Palestine and
stew in their own juice. The rest had better stop being Jews and start
being human beings."
 
George Bernard Shaw (Literary Digest, October 2, 1932)


From kurtstele@aol.com Fri Aug 23 11:37:53 PDT 1996
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Keith Morrison  wrote:

>Kurt Stele wrote:
>> 
>> dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote:
>> 
>> >kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele) writes:
>> 
>> ># You yourself admitted German soldiers were at a scarcity.
>> 
>> >Gassing large groups of people requires far less soldiers
>> >and ammunition than shooting them, untermench.
>> 
>> Mass shooting takes -more- soldiers than gassing? You ever heard of a
>> "machine gun" Keren? Firing hundreds (thousands) of rounds a minute? 
With
>> just -one- gunner?
>> 
>> 100 nazi gunners each killing 600 an hour (easy) working only 10 hours
a
>> day for only 100 days:
>> 
>> 100 machine-gunner X 600 an hour X 10 hours X 100 days = 6,000,000.
>> 
>> Calculate it using over 1000 machine gunners.
>> 
>> The whole thing could have been done in a little over 3 months if they
had
>> wanted.
>> 
>> you're holohoax is -definitely- bullshit

>One gunner per 600 people, right, Stele?  Fairly close range, I'd assume?
>And what happens when a few dozen of those six hundred get pissed and
charge
>said gunner?  Would you, with your Super Machine Gun that never has to be
>reloaded, never malfunctions and never gets too hot want to stand there
>and try to get *all* of them before at least one reaches you and rips
>out your throat?

I was using the worst-case scenarios figures.  If extermination -had- been
the nazis object, there would likely be more gunners per person of course.
The machine gunning of peasants this way in Russia and Cambodia worked. 
The point is, as history has amply demonstrated, killing squads using guns
is, along with starvation, the modus operandi of extermination -- not
goofy gas. And that fact should be considered -apart- from the evidentiary
deficiencies in your gas chamber story itself.  If nazis wanted to
exterminate the jews, they would have done the obvious and normal way.  

And since Keren pointed out that I had -overestimated- the amount of
people per gunner by a factor of -10- (thanks again Keren), that leaves a
mere -60- people to be shot with a mounted machine gun, hardly a difficult
task at all. Heck a jewish doctor in Palestine a couple of years back
managed to pick off almost that many Palestinian worshippers in a mosque
all by his lonesome with just a semi-auto.  See, it's obviously not
difficult

Kurt Stele


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yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>   kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele) writes:
>>
>>  >yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>>
>>  >>	On what basis do you state that the transportation "cost" the nazi
>>  
>>  >>government.  As a matter of fact, the transportees were charged
normal
>>  train 
>>  >>fares which was taken from confiscated Jewish property.

>>  Mike I've already addressed this.  It is absurd to claim that nazis
who
>>  were supposedly trying to exterminate jews would pay for a needless
>>  camp/train transportation system

>>  Aren't you paying attention?

>	Apparently the one not paying attention goes under an alias
referrring 
>to a stone pillar.  You have been told that the nazis did not pay for the
system.

>	You have not addressed the point.

you too Yale didn't read my response:

"The nazis were fighting a 2-front war and men and money were at
all-time premium. Or even if they had wanted to "gas" jews instead of
easily shooting them, which itself would have been inexplicable, they
could have set up gas chambers nearby since according to the holocausters
any old barn will do for a gas-chamber."

In other words, if the nazis were supposedly trying to 'exterminate' the
jews, the nazis -would not- have spent the money on some hokey goofy
scheme but would have used the convenient and economic means of -shooting-
them.  The money wouldn't have been used on what you're saying it was used
on -if- extermination was the object, which it obviously was not.

They would have spent the money on the things they -needed- for the 2
front war, and not the rigmarole.  

It may not be possible to say it any more elementary so if you still can't
understand it, get some help from Chuck or Mike.  Giwer, and others, can
comprehend it.

Aren't you paying attention either?

Kurt Ste


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gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) wrote:

>In message <4vaqb8$906@newsbf02.news.aol.com> - kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt
>Stele)19 Aug 1996 18:37:28 -0400 writes:

>[deleted]

>:>Spare us the bullshit Mark.
>:>
>:>Everybody -knows- the black race is considerably dumber than the white
>:>race and that the black race is incapable of sustaining an advanced
>:>civilization on its own except for a few blacks who have inherited
white
>:>genes, if even then.  
>:>
>:>Stop making excuses for these inherent racial shortcomings just because
it
>:>contradicts your infantile preconceived notions about "racial equality"
--
>:>an oxymoron if there ever was.

>I get it.  Let's see.  You are a denier, a racist, antisemitic, the whole
ball
>of wax.  You combine the stupidity of Moron and the vulgarity of Giwer
into
>one fetid package.  You are a troll, sir.

and you're just Mr. P.C aren't you?

Kurt Stele

>--
>Gord McFee
>I'll write no line before its time


From kurtstele@aol.com Fri Aug 23 15:10:50 PDT 1996
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From: kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele)
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Subject: Re: revision v. holohugging
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gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) wrote:

>In message <4vek03$jtm@dfw-ixnews6.ix.netcom.com> - mgiwer@ix.netcom.com
(Matt
> Giwer)Wed, 21 Aug 1996 09:10:03 GMT writes:
>:>
>:>On Tue, 20 Aug 1996 13:08:08 +0000, Chuck Ferree 
>:>wrote:
>:>
>:>>Chuck Ferree writes:
>:>
>:>>Matt, why don't you just buy the Internet, then you could run it your 
>:>>way. Until you own it, don't try to run the sucker.
>:>>Chuck
>:>
>:>
>:>>Matt Giwer wrote:
>:>
>:>>bullshit as usual!
>:>
>:>
>:>	I only control this newsgroup at the moment.  Get used to it.  

>This from someone who can't even control his bodily functions.

Hey -- aren't you supposed to be sympathetic to those who have bodily
problems? And besides, isn't there supposed to be just a warm place in
your righteous liberal heart for the disabled, the disenfranchised, the
poor?  After, that's your -team- isn't it? Where's all your P.C. kindness
Gord McFee? Why are you trying to "discriminate" against and ridicule
those who are digestionally or otherwise challenged? 

Kurt Stele

>--
>Gord McFee
>I'll write no line before its time



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libwca@larry.cc.emory.edu (william c anderson) wrote:

>Kurt Stele (kurtstele@aol.com) wrote:

>: whatever it was Sara it couldn't have been as dumb as the claim that
nazis
>: who were supposedly trying to exterminate jews had to use gas chambers
>: instead of guns because the nazis were simply "too sensitive" to fire
>: their weapons.
>: 
>: That's one of the best ones I've heard so far.
>: 
>: What is amazing is that it constitutes a pivotal element of the
Holohoax
>: hypothesis.

>No, actually, it doesn't.  The fact is that many (not all, not even
>most) of the people involved in the executions suffered psychologically
>from them; that you find this remarkable does not reflect well on your
>character.

Then again I probably don't your unrealistic view of the nature of war. 
To say the nazis were able to rip the breasts off living women and stomp
babies for fun and laugh about it, and yet they couldn't shoot jews even
for the mere sake of preserving precious resources and manpower, is
ludicrous and a perfect example of the ridiculous lengths of credulity the
holocausters wish to take us. If the nazis were as sensitive as you
holohuggers make them out to be they would have looked -forward- to
shooting them in order to be spared the psychological trauma of the very
acts you allege

>There were many other reasons--some of them given by the planners of 
>the Holocaust themselves--for switching from the roving killing squads
>to Extermination centers.  Among other things, huge massacres spread
>out all over the countryside are hard to keep secret.  Then there's the
>fact that the Nazis wanted to exploit the labor of some of the Jews
>before they killed them.  Also, disposing of massive numbers of corpses
>is much easier in a central location.  The list goes on.

yes the list goes on of the amenities the nazis afforded the jews in the
camps, e.g., care packages, bakeries, etc.  Holocausters are faced with
the completely contrary fact that literally -millions- of jews survived
the purported "deathcamps." The mere fact that holohuggers scramble over
the meaning of a single word in only one or two documents is actually
glaring proof of the threadbare -real- evidence you have for your claims.
If anything the nazis, in their treatment, amenities, and sanitation codes
within the camps, were actually the most humane army in the conflict,
truth be known.  And eventually, the truth -will- be known. The mere fact
that so many jews survived to accuse their captors of extermination is the
supreme irony and quite revealing that extermination was not the object

Kurt Stele 


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kate@accessone.com (Kathleen Mulhern) wrote:

>In article <4vgbna$mv2@sjx-ixn3.ix.netcom.com>,
>joebuck@ix.netcom.com(Charles) wrote:

>> Absolute bs. 
>> When one is bereft of the skills required for rational argumentation,
>> it seems the only thing left is to fling the spurious "antisemite!"
>> slander, unfortunately.

>Then why do you only focus on the Jewish religion?  What about the
>centuries of murder and torture and corruption carried out in the name of
>Jesus Christ?  

probably 'cause -Christians- aren't the ones extracting millions of
guilt-shekels out of pockets every year for another bevy of docudramas,
movies, museums, and other paraphernalia in remembrance of the "Christian
Holocaust", and then calling us "haters" if we disagree

woops.  I used the sacred "H" word in reference to people "other" than
jews. I realize that is strictly forbidden.  I shall repent for this
sacrilege.

>>   Weren't you aware that there's a multi-million-dollar
>> US-taxpayer-paid-for Holocaust Memorial in Washington, D.C.? 

>I certainly was, I have visited it, was moved and touched, and supported
>it's building and continue to support it's upkeep whole-heartedly.  So
>what's your point?

he's trying to ask you: when are you going to stop this never-ending
self-indulgent, tacky and morbid revelling in gore at our expense?  You've
already got millions of dollars from us, isn't that -enough-?

>>(Not even considering, for the moment, the disturbing fact that it
openly
>>focuses almost exclusively on Hitler's Jewish victims, virtually
ignoring
>the
>>non-Jewish ones.)

>Not true at all.  You have obviously never visited the museum.  All
>victims of the Holocaust are represented.  What springs to mind right now
>are the children the nazis considered to be physically and/or emotionally
>"unfit" (children with dwarfism, missing limbs, with mental retardation
>and other physical and emotional "deformities").  Their story is told in
>text and particularly moving photographs.

-I'd- like to know where are the holocaust museums for the dead
-Palestinian- children?

>> However, all I was suggesting in my original post was that perhaps
>> Mr. Spielberg -- the richest director in the world -- could have
>> volunteered to fund his pet project himself.

>He took not one dime from the earnings of "Schindler's List."  The
>proceeds from that highly successful film went to several Holocaust
>rememberance foundations... including the formation of the Shoah
>Foundation.

ah, yes.  That is -sacred- money.  And Spielberg's own money is sacred
too. It's us goy whose money is expendible, and for somebody else's myth

>> I am stunned that anyone would attempt to justify the US Government's
>> $1 million giveaway to the multi-millionaire (billionaire?) by saying,
>> in effect, that the inner-city urban youths I said were more deserving
>> of the funds "aren't worth supporting."

>Please show me some hard evidence of this.  Excuse me for not trusting
>slanted publications like "The Spotlight."  I want congressional records
>showing the allocation of taxpayer money for this particular.  

sheesh.  OK, should he fly down to Washington and retrieve the originals
for you? Anything you want.  Here, have some more money.

>Even if this claim is correct, I would much rather my money go toward a
Holocaust
>rememberance project then Newt Gingrich's pocket or Ted Kennedy's whiskey
>fund.  

why not take it -all-?  Why stop there.  Here, have some more money.

>If you're so concerned with the plight of inner-city youths, why
>don't you volunteer your time and money?  They'd be more than grateful
for
>the help, I know.

don't worry, they take -plenty- out of our pockets for the inner city
kids, and they don't seem -grateful- for the help. But are you saying
another Holocaust project is more important than inner city kids?  What
are you some kind of a racist?  Have you taken a look into our inner
cities?  Do you know what a million dollars could buy those inner city
kids?  They live in slums!  And yet you want to take more money away from
them and put it into another holocaust movie, of which we have about a
thousand already?  Gosh, you sound like you -hate- inner city kids, or are
at least an incredibly selfish and uncaring person.  Do you know how many
bicycles for children a million dollars could buy? I've never such
callousness and contempt for poverty and inner-city children in my life.
You probably live in a nice home, with a nice car. Do you know what
conditions those people live on? Do you ever think of -them-? You probably
could care -less- and your indifference is plain to see. Have you ever
lived on the street?  And yet you want to take money away from the poor
and spend on another holocaust party. You ought to be ashamed of yourself.

Kurt Stele


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dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>dvdthomas@aol.com (DvdThomas) writes:
># Dan Keren wrote:

>## I'm giving you a chance to prove you're not a lying 
>## Nazi bastard. Go for it, coward.

># I will not respond to this kind of abusive trash posted
># by Mr. Keren or anyone else.

>You will not respond because you're a lying coward.

>You cannot support your lies about the Auschwitz-Birkenau
>gas chambers.

>Oh, but I forgot. CODOH, after all, only wants to *promote*
>"open debate on the Holocaust". But it doesn't want to
>actually *debate*, ain't that right?

>Re "abusive trash", no trash is more abusive than the
>habit of spitting on graves and mocking the memory of
>the innocent victims of Nazism.

Keren, I'm not in the least conceding your Holocaust tale but nearly every
people has experienced mass death at one time or another:  the Irish, the
Russians, the Armenians, the Cambodians, the Afghanistanis, and yes the
Germans.

But none of the these groups is pushing their claims in everybody else's
faces all the time, trying to make everyone else feel guilty, and sucking
money off everyone else for huge, high profile, self-indulgent,
never-ending pity parties.  Neither are they trying to enforce an
orthodoxy of belief by coercion onto others.  There is no 1 million dollar
grant given to for the memory of Russians who died by Stalin's
exterminations in World War Two, although there are far more Russians that
died then jews. There is no "Kulak" museum in our nation's capitol. They
are no -thoughtcrime- laws putting people behind bars in Russia for daring
to express doubt about the Russian extermination. Jews claim special
status by saying they were the only ones targetted racially, but even -if-
that wase true which it isn't -- so what?  What's the difference between
being targetted for your race, your nation, your religion, your
denomination, your immediate family, or otherwise? It produces the same
result. It's arrogant to say "my people's death are more important than
your  people's." And that is precisely what the holocaust tale openly
indicates

Kurt Stele


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Y Rapido  wrote:

>Never mind the economy, banking, business ... but, can
>ANYONE argue politics, geostrategy, economy, wealth, ...
>against the Zionists (and their fast held views and
>promotion campaigns) without being labeled as a racist 
>("anti-semite") ?!  Can anyone be accepted along the lines
>of arguments tied directly to the issue (whatever it might 
>be: economy, banking, business, etc. ...) without the usual
>foaming-at-the-mouth racial slurs blasted from the Zionists
>who are loosing the argument that has nothing to do with
>any race in particular ?!  Are they a "teflon tribe" so that
>NOBODY can confront them without being spat upon ?!

Y Rapido, calm down.  I understand fully your consternation.

It is apparent you are not yet familiar with the first commandment of the
Society we live in today:

"Thou shalt not criticize the Choseneth, -ever.  Yet thou shalt gladfully
be criticizeth by the Choseneth at their will."  

Now you got it? (repeat it back)

>How come that we can discuss many issues with Nigerians, Hindus,
>Ukrainians, Egyptians, Turks, ... and confront them on many
>issues (such as banking, economy etc.) and NEVER hear any racial 
>slurs blasted at the opnonents in their counter argumentation ?!  
>How come we get racial slurs only from the "teflon tribe" ?!!

Because, silly, we are the -goyim-.  We simply aren't -allowed- to
criticize the Chosen in whatever venture or wrongdoing they care to do, no
matter how much it may be against our best interest or how much we
disagree with it.  Far less are we allowed to -question- their Sacred
HallowedCause.  We're only allowed to hear their cockamaimee stories about
nazis cutting women's breasts off and eating them and then respond with
the chorus:

"Those eeeevil nazis!"

and pay over more guilt-shekels.

And what's more, we should feel -privileged- to do so.

Got it?  Right.

I can see you're what they call an "anti-semite," see: i.e., someone who
-knows- what's going with the jewish double standard. 

You're amongst their worst nightmares.  

Kurt Stele


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amatthews@cybercom.net (Allan Matthews) wrote:

>In article <4vg5p3$fof@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt
Stele) wrote:
>>Chuck Ferree  wrote:
>>
>>>Yes there are bigots and fanatics among Jews. Why not. They are people 
>>>too. 
>>
>>Yes jews are people too.  And people make mistakes.  Yet for some reason
>>the jews consider themselves above criticism.

>How do you figure?  I've never had any trouble criticizing the jews I've 
>known.  

it is indeed difficult to communicate with holohuggers at times. What I'm
referring to is not personal criticism of friends in your holohugging
day-to-day life, I'm referring to the fact that -noone- is permitted to
publicly criticize jews as a -group-, (unless another a jew of course)
without being labelled an "anti-semite."  Yet the jews criticize white
values, history, and culture with impunity.

Now do you -finally- understand?

Kurt Stele


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Subject: Re: Life and Fall of Wlodowa: Sobibor
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dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele) writes:

># Mass shooting takes -more- soldiers than gassing? 

>Yes. One person, or two, each with two 1 Kg cans of Zyklon,
>can kill 2,000 people in 15 minutes or so. 

yes but you're trying to say they were using this puny little rooms which
show up on maps as being used for an entirely different purpose.  If they
-were- going to gas them then there was no need to transport them hundreds
of miles.  A gas chamber could've been built nearby since any old barn can
serve as a gas chamber according to the Holocaust Tale.  If they -were-
going to gas then there would have built gas chambers -for- that purpose,
not these goofy gas chambers that "doubled" as shower rooms and were
unknown as such to all nazis save to a few tortured and coerced witnesses
like Hoes who had his balls smashed in.  How absurd.  

And yet as "efficient" as these gas chambers purportedly were, look at how
millions of jewish "deathcamp survivors" there are. I guarantee you won't
find too many survivor from Soviet or Cambodian extermination efforts,
because those were -real- extermination efforts, as opposed to the
cockamaimee bull in the Holocaust Tale.  Obviously these weren't gas
chambers.  

>Very cheap. Very simple. Saves a lot of ammunition, which
>is something you want to save during a war. 

Not when you figure in the cost of transportation, feeding prisoners (who
supposedly are just going to be gassed?) and camp upkeep and maintenance;
these camps had all sort of workshops and amenities also.  Bullets are
cheap.  It just requires a few men too.  And no goofy transportation and
disguised showerheads, and labor camps with bakeries "disguised" as
deathcamps. All that makes no sense Keren, despite how lucrative as the
Lie has proven

First you argued that the nazis had the needless gas chambers/train
transportation scheme because the nazis were goofy, now you're arguing
they had it because they were logical?  

>People can't start running away, as they are locked inside
>the chamber. That's another advantage.

you can outrun bullets?  Gee all of those -millions- of Russians and
Cambodians murdered in all the -real- extermination campaigns couldn't
manage to do so.  Bullets worked just fine

>You don't have to walk around afterwards and shoot those
>who were only wounded, or missed, by the initial firing 
>(as was done). That's another advantage.

hardly a compelling consideration considering the convenience of a machine
gun nearby as opposed to the substantial and absurd trouble and manpower
involved in carting them, tagging them, feeding them, housing them,
maintaining them, guarding them -- all done by an army supposedly trying
to exterminate them?

># you're holohoax is -definitely- bullshit
  ^^^^^^

Thanks for underlining the most truthful part of my post

Kurt Stele.  


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dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>rich@c2.org (Rich Graves) writes:

>[To dvdthomas@aol.com (DvdThomas)]

># Why are you here? What motivates you to deny, trivialize, 
># and joke about the murders of millions of human beings?

>He doesn't classify them as human beings. That is, after
>all, the first rule of Nazism.

yeah, like Israelis classify Palestinians as human beings, right

Kurt Stele


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gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) wrote:

>Poor Kurt.  Still can't read.  That's "...call 'em a Nazi".  See, unlike
you
>losers, we can spell.

aw Gord's resorting to making fun of spelling. I didn't know he was that
hard up in search of a rebuttal. 

First of all, since the phrase was in reference to myself, and not a group
of others, the abbreviation of the singular applies and is not that of the
plural "them" ('em) but of the singular "him" ('im) -- that being myself,
only

tsk, tsk.

Kurt Stele

>--
>Gord McFee
>I'll write no line before its time



From kurtstele@aol.com Sat Aug 24 08:17:42 PDT 1996
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From: kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele)
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Subject: Re: The Proof of Jewish Media Control
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Here's Yale's "refutation" of jewish media control:

 yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>   kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele) writes:

>>  There's been several claims by holocausters in this newsgroup that
jews do
>>  -not- dominate the media, citing gentiles Ted Turner and Rupert
Murdoch as
>>  evidence.  What are the facts?  

>	The fact is that neither are Jewish.

and  the rest -are- jewish.  Also, the top -3- are.  Gosh, I'm starting to
realize the holohugger mentality is incapable of grasping the larger
ideas. They seem to always be stuck on the exceptions instead of the rule.
 It's that holohugger legendary obfuscation tactic coming into play

>>  I) The top three media conglomerates in Electronic news and
Entertainment:
>>   Disney, Time Warner, and Viacom  (all three of which are jewish run
>>  and/or owned).  

>	All three are publically owned companies.  Anybody has a right to
buy 
>stock in them.

big deal.  It's called a monopoly, Yale.  Buying a few shares of stock
isn't going to alter that

>>  II) The Big three Newspapers -- The New York Times, the Washington,
and
>>  the Wall Street Journal (all three of which are jewish-owned and run).

>	They are not the three largest newspapers in the U.S.

those three jewish-owned paper are -merely- the three most influential
newspapers in the U.S.  
  
Is that the best you guys can do?

Gosh, several holohuggers chattered "where's your proof!" as if to imply
they were really interested in learning something.  I've given them the
proof of jewish media control and so far noone's refuted it, not even with
doctored evidence or coerced eyewitness testimony -- the two favorite
resorts of holohuggers.

maybe they learned something for once.  

It's doubtful

Kurt Stele


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huck Ferree  wrote:

>Mark Van Alstine wrote:

>Good shot, you guys. kurt won't understand any of this but it's so 
>vivid to anyone with a little gray matter. 

>Three "attaboys" to you both.
>Chuck Ferree

Chuck felt the need to give Mark and Keren moral support.

That usually happens right after the Holohoax just took one on the nose.

Kurt Stele


>> In article , dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel
Keren)
>> wrote:
>> 
>> > kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele) writes:
>> >
>> > # You yourself admitted German soldiers were at a scarcity.
>> >



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Subject: Holohuggers:  jewish economic boycotts are OK
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Holohuggers claim that jewish economic boycotts are OK.  They claim that
jewish boycotts are no different than Baptist boycotts or Greenpeace
boycotts.

It's just so happens, though, that jewish-money power is far more powerful
and cohesive than any other group.  The influence and cohesion of any
other group pales in comparison to the power of the jews.  Hollywood can
make movies all they want depicting priests as swaggering drunks or
psychopathic killers, or Whites or Arabs potrayed as insane bigots and
mindless terrorists, but when does one ever see a negative jewish
stereotype on the silver screen?  How many movies have ever been made in
Hollywood and given box-office fanfare which depict the truth of
Palestinians being tortured and killed by Israelis and driven out of their
land by military force or placed in concentration camps? 

A small minority wields the power to call the tune for the society at
large. Such a disproportionate concentration of power completely renders
nugatory the vaunted claims of a supposedly democratic society.

Kurt Stele


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mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) wrote:

>	Recently the issue was raised again about the lack of a top down
paper
>trail of a policy of mass extermination of Jews not existing.

>	And again the same handful of tired examples that do not in manner
>constitute such a paper trail.

>	Why is it that holohuggers do not understand what constitutes a
paper
>trail only in regard to gassing?  

>	Or is it possible that they do not understand the concept of paper
>trail at all?  

>	The question becomes whether it is pretend or real ignorance.  Do
they
>really not know what a paper trail is or do they simply pretend not to
>know?  

>	In simpler terms, despite what the popular story has it to be,
>following orders was an absolute defense at Nuremberg.  It was only
>those who volunteered or chose the duties that were found to be war
>crimes that were punished.  

>	And of course, the defense was never able to produce that chain of
>evidence, the paper trail.  Either it never existed or it was
>destroyed.  In either case it did not exist then and does not exist
>now.  

>	In my never humble experience the most I have ever PARTICIPATED in
>organizing to a new project is about 600 people.  If someone were
>curious about that and had the time and money they could find
>thousands of documents in government archives totalling maybe a
>million pages in the five years I was on that project.  

>	And I was simply a participant.  I was not in charge.  Those in
charge
>would have many more connections and a wider paper trail. 

>	My signature or initials exist on or are related to at least a
>thousand of those documents.  And I was not in charge.  And that was a
>minor effort compared to only the 3000 (five times more people) in the
>Einsatzgruppen alone.  

>	But from the holohuggers what do we get from the EG?  One "report"
by
>one man who had been dead for three years.  Not one order to any EG.  
>	
>	Were the orders hidden and verbal?  If so, why were the reports
>written?  Would that not violate the same secrecy?  

>	Then we have the few others regarding A-B.  They are all little
bits
>and pieces out of no where.  They are no different from finding a US
>government letter referring to having found the purpose of button 38a
>on the flying saucer but not being able to find anything else about
>the flying saucer project.  

>	They are, in the chain of command, like finding a dealer talking
about
>side mounted gas tanks on trucks and blaming the manufacturer for
>deliberately designing them as death traps.  Of course, reality was
>worse, the expose deliberately ignited them for the story, very like
>Russians killing Jews to condemn the Germans.

>	Tell me anything that you want to tell me save that "it can't
happen"
>as using credibility as a guideline means that the gassing can not
>have happened.  

>	Belief in a widespread campaign of exterimination without evidence
for
>it being organized is quite naive.  

>	No such action can be both widespread and without a paper trail.
>Anyone who understands paper trails knows this.

>	It is only those who love James Bond flicks who think that that
there
>can be such secrecy when ALL the documentation is captured and
>available.  

>	But as in Nazi physics violated the physics of the rest of the
>universe, the Nazi ability to organize violated and was greater than
>all the rest of the world before or since.  It is amazing to the point
>of incomparable that it could have possibly happened but so many the
>holohuggers want to believe it so it must be true.  

Here's some further insight:

"There does not exist then, anything like a written order signed by
[Hitler] for the extermination of the Jews in Europe." 

Colin Cross, Adolf Hitler, (Milan, 1977), p.313. 

"Despite the great harvest of Nazi documents captured by the Allies at the
end of the war, it is precisely the documents concerning the process of
the formation of the idea of the final solution of the Jewish question
that are missing, to the point that up until the present it is difficult
to say how, when, and exactly by whom the order to exterminate the Jews
was given." 
Lilliano Picciotto Fargion, La congiura del silenzio (The Conspiracy of
Silence), 

La Rassegna mensile d'Israel, May-August 1984, p.226. 

"For in the table talk, the speeches, the documents or the recollections
of participants from all those years not a single concrete reference of
[Hitler's] to the practice of annihilation has come down to us. No one can
say how Hitler reacted to the reports of the Einsatzgruppen, whether he
asked for or saw films or photos of their work, and whether he intervened
with suggestions, praise, or blame.
When we consider that he ordinarily transformed everything that
preoccupied him into rampant speechmaking, that he never concealed his
radicalism, his vulgarity, his readiness to go to extremes, this silence
about the central concern of his life- involving, as it did in his mind,
the salvation of the world - seems all the stranger." 

Joachim C. Fest, Hitler (New York: Vintage Books, 1975), p.681. 

"Insofar as no one has yet discovered a written trace of this order [to
liquidate the Jews under German control] in the sources which have been
exploited up to the present, and insofaras it seems unlikely, it is
incumbent on the historian to date it as precisely as possible by
appealing to interpretation. Since the methods and the hypotheses on this
subject are very numerous, we find ourselves confronted with very diverse
opinions." 

Saul Friedl nder, L'Allemagne nazie et le genocide juif, Gallimard, Le
Seuil, 1985, pp. 177-178. 

"For the want of hard evidence -- and in 1977 I offered, around the world,
a thousand pounds to any person who could produce even one wartime
document showing explicitly that Hitler knew, for example, of Auschwitz.
My critics resorted to arguments ranging from the subtle to the
sledgehammer (in one instance, literally). They postulated the existence
of Fuehrer orders without the slightest written evidence of their
existence. ...Of explicit, written, wartime evidence, the kind of evidence
that could hang a man, they have produced not one line."  

David Irving, Hitler's War (London: Focal Point, 1991), pp.19-20. 

"To the present day a written order by Hitler regarding the destruction of
the European Jewish community has not been found, and, in all probability,
this order was never given."  

Walter Laqueur, Was niemand wissen wollte: Die Unterdruckung der
Nachrichten uber Hitlers Endl sung (What Nobody Wanted to Know: The
Suppression of News About Hitler's "Final Solution"), (Berlin-Vienna,
1981), p.190. 

" The New York Times' ... editorial (December 2, 1942) claimed that 'Of
Germany's 200,000 Jews in 1939 all but 40,000 have been deported or have
perished,' while going on to assert that 'according to evidence in the
hands of the [U.S.] State Department, an order of Adolf Hitler demanding
the extermination of all Jews in all territories controlled by Germany'
was known to exist. Researchers nearly 40 years later were still searching
for that order, or information leading to anyone
who might have ever seen it at any time." 

James J. Martin, The Man who invented 'Genocide': The Public Career and
Consequences of Raphael Lemkin (Torrance: Institute for Historical Review,
1984), p.40. 

"No written document containing or reporting an explicit command to
exterminate the Jews has come to light thus far. This does not of course
mean that such direct evidence will not appear in the future. In the
meantime, the presumption must be that the order or informal injunction to
mass-murder Jews was transmitted orally." 

Arno J. Mayer, Why did the Heavens not Darken?: The 'Final Solution' in
History (New York: Pantheon Books, 1990), pp.235-36. 

"The process by which total extermination replaced resettlement in
Madagascar or 'the East' as the so-called final solution of the Jewish
question remains unclear. No written order by Hitler for the extermination
of the Jews has been discovered and the evidence of an oral order is only
indirect. The chronology of the development of the extermination programme
is also confused." 

J. Noakes and G. Pridham, eds., Nazism: A History in Documents and
Eyewitness accounts
1919-1945 - Vol. 2, (New York: Schocken Books, 1988), p.1136. 

"The archives torn from the bowels of the Third Reich, the depostions and
accounts of its chiefs permit us to reconstruct in their least detail the
birth and the development of its plans for aggression, its military
campaigns, and the whole range of processes by which the Nazis intnded to
reshape the world to their pattern. Only the campaign to exterminate the
Jews, as concerns its completion, as well as in many other essential
aspects, remains steeped in fog. Psychological inferences and
considerations, third- or fourth-hand accounts, allow us to reconstruct
the developments with a considerable verisimilitude. Certain details,
nevertheless, will remain unknown forever. As concerns the concept proper
of the plan for total extermination, the three or four principal actors
are dead. No
document remains, and has perhaps never existed." 

Leon Poliakov, Breviaire de la haine (Breviary of Hate) , Paris, 1979, p.
134. 

"What became known in high Nazi circles as the Fuehrer Order on the Final
Solution apparently was never committed to paper -- at least no copy of it
has yet been unearthed in the captured Nazi documents. " 

William Shirer, The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich (New York: Fawcett
Crest, 1960), p.1256. 

"One cannot fix the exact moment when Hitler gave the order- without doubt
never  drawn up in writing - to exterminate the Jews." 

Christian Zentner, Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf. An edition with commentary by
Christian Zentner, Munich, 1974, p. 168. 

isn't the Holocaust bullshit?

Kurt Stele


From kurtstele@aol.com Sat Aug 24 08:17:45 PDT 1996
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From: kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele)
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Subject: McVay fails to refute jewish media control
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kmcvay@nizkor.org (Ken McVay OBC) wrote:

>In article <4vimmf$e7c@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, 
>kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele) wrote:

>>I) The top three media conglomerates in Electronic news and
Entertainment:
>> Disney, Time Warner, and Viacom  (all three of which are jewish run
>>and/or owned).  

>How many such firms exist in the western world?
>How many are privately held?
>How many are privately held by a Jewish businessman?
>How many are publicly traded?
>How many publicly traded firms are controlled by Jewish businessmen?

>>II) The Big three Newspapers -- The New York Times, the Washington, and
>>the Wall Street Journal (all three of which are jewish-owned and run).

>How many such firms exist in the western world?
>How many are privately held?
>How many are privately held by a Jewish businessman?
>How many are publicly traded?
>How many publicly traded firms are controlled by Jewish businessmen?

>>III) The former top three TV networks -- ABC, NBC, and CBS and their
>>current status of ownership. 

>How many such firms exist in the western world? (Don't be shy
>  - include all of the cable companies, since broadcast
>  television is becoming rapidly irrelevant)
>How many are privately held?
>How many are privately held by a Jewish businessman?
>How many are publicly traded?
>How many publicly traded firms are controlled by Jewish businessmen?

>>IV)  The Print media. 

>How many such firms exist in the western world? (Don't be shy
>  - include all the book and magazine publishers, and, of
>  course, all of the Internet publishers, who now cater to
>  a growing market of 70 million)
>How many are privately held?
>How many are privately held by a Jewish businessman?
>How many are publicly traded?
>How many publicly traded firms are controlled by Jewish businessmen?

>>V)   Others.

>How many such firms exist in the western world?
>How many are privately held?
>How many are privately held by a Jewish businessman?
>How many are publicly traded?
>How many publicly traded firms are controlled by Jewish businessmen?

>Get back to us, won't you?
>(We'll wait)

Ken is shown in spades that the leadership and ownership of the media is
overwhelmingly jewish and he demands "more proof"

yet all holocausters can present for their claim is eyewitness testimony
at a kangaroo court and then they demand that we prove the -negative- of
it.

tell you what Ken,

Now that you know the leadership, ownership, and control of media is
predominantly jewish, 

why don't you -prove- the jews -don't- control the media?

I'll be waiting..

Kurt Stele


From kurtstele@aol.com Sat Aug 24 08:17:46 PDT 1996
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Subject: To the Generalissimo:  Welcome to the Circus  (was : Re:  Ash Gets in Your Eyes)
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The Generalissimo  wrote:

>Being in this ng for the first time, (that I read here.  I see some of my
posts have been 
>crossposted and imported here) I have one question.  Since at least as
many, and perhaps 
>many many more non-jews, were killed in the camps as jews, how does this
equal the 
>"planned extermination of european jewery"?  It seems that it would the
planned 
>extermination of all others than nazis.  Further, why do jews claim this
"title" when 
>they were a minority of the people killed?  Now so you rash people do not
get too 
>insensed please note these are real questions.

Welcome to the holohugger circus, Generalissimo.  

You may have been a bit surprised to browse "alt.revisionism" and see such
a plethora of Holocauster posts.  

The reason for your palpable confusion is because we have all be led to
believe that the only important persons who died in WWII were the Sacred
Six Million.  

If you choose to investigate the matter further however, you will
eventually find to your chagrin that you have been misled to a far greater
degree than that.

If you investigate the matter beyond the Holocaust's schmaltzy,
self-indulgent propaganda like Shindler's List, you will eventually
realize that you along with the rest of the world have been made the fool
of a hoax and swindle of gigantic proportions.

The Holocaust as such is a hoax.

There were no gas chambers.  Ever.

The number of jews allegedly killed by the nazis was deliberately and
grossly exagerated.

The Holocaust in its inception was nothing more than anti-German
propaganda.

And it would have gone in history as just another example of war
propaganda gone amuck, except for the fact that a group of people, the
jews, have reaped immeasurable gains from the Holocaust, both politically
and financially.

When one has a cash cow, one tends to hang on to it.

You are living in exciting times, however.

The Holocaust, for all intents and purposes, has already been disproven.

Visit the revisionist websites.  Read literature by the IHR.  You'll find
that modern technology coupled a control over the media (which the jews
have dominated nearly from day one) allows one to literally rewrite
history virtually any way one wishes.  

It's known as the Big Lie. 

Although it has been attributed to Hitler, ironically the jewish
holocausters have proven that -they-, not Hitler, are its masters.

Kurt Stele


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kmcvay@nizkor.org (Ken McVay OBC) wrote:

>In article <4vimk1$e6k@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, 
>kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele) wrote:

>>Mike Curtis wants proof that the media continually furthers the
Holocaust
>>Tale.  

>>I haven't the heart even to say "Shindler's List" for starters.

>Let me see if I have it right... a movie about the Holocaust
>is produced, and "the Jews" (i.e. "the media") force all of
>God's Little Aryan Children to stand in line at the theatre
>and watch it?

>Wow, are dem Joos powerful!

>Then dem Joos force dem Widdle Aryan Chilluns to _rent_
>Schindler's List, and _watch_ it again?

>Wow, are dem Joos powerful?

>By the way... how many radio and television stations are there
>in North America? How many of them are privately owned? How
>many of them are public companies? How many of the private
>companies are owned by Jewish investors? How many of the
>public companies are primarily held by Jewish investors?

>(What? You haven't a clue? Well shake us widastick.)

>>what are you supposed to do with a guy like that?  

>Work a little harder dealing with his question?

>Poor widdie Aryan chilluns.... being dominated by less than 1% of
>the world's entire population... now wonder the little
>darlings feel inferior - if they swallow that bullshit, they
>_are_ inferior. That explains h*ber.

Ken, I wouldn't waste time on this small stuff.  You've got some big work
ahead of you tryin' to figure out a way to -disprove- that jews control
the media now that you know the leadership and ownership is predominantly
jewish.

Kurt Stele


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dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele) writes:

># you can outrun bullets?

>No, untermench. But, suppose you march a very large
>group of people - say, 2,000 - to an open area, and
>start shooting them. Now, if you don't have enough
>men to guard the area, the victims will most probably
>start running around, right? And you'd have to start
>firing after them, wasting huge amounts of ammunition,
>while many will get away, right? Moreover, many may
>start running at you, and while you kill a few, the
>rest may tear you apart, right?

gee, with a single mounted machine gun and a few guards there wouldn't
much of a chance of somebody "tearing you apart".  This was done in Russia
without the Russian soldiers being "torn apart."  If the nazis were
supposedly trying to "exterminate" jews they had the perfect, simple, and
convenient means of execution through bullets. Gee that's the way the
nazis executed everyone else. Your gas chamber hypothesis, aside from
being technically impossible, is goofy 

>Stupid of you to bring the example of Goldstein and
>his massacre at the mosque. Those who survived the
>fire did pounce on him and smash his skull.

yes but look what a -single- man with a semi-auto did in just a few
seconds? It's incredible the amount of killing Goldstein did.  And
Goldstein didn't even have to transport the Palestinians, nor feed them,
nor clothe them, nor house, nor tag them, nor make them little workshops,
nor send them care packages, nor guard them, nor used "disguised shower
heads." Goldstein just mowed 'em down.

"look Ma, no gas chambers!"

>So, you need

>1) Many people to stand around and guard.

a mere handful of soldiers is sufficient. The Russians had no problem. 
And they never felt the need to use gas chambers, and yet they killed -5-
times as many people as the nazis -purportedly- did

>2) Fire many bullets. These are important during war
>   time. You don't want to waste them if not necessary.
>   If you're firing with a machine-gun, there's no way
>   in the world you'd manage one bullet per person.

bullets are pennies, and -negligible- compared with funding the
infrastructure you're describing, using money that obviously could have
been better used on either side of the 2-front war they were fighting   

>3) Walk around afterwards and finish off those who
>   were missed, or only wounded, by the initial firing
>   (as was done).

not a problem. The kill ratio would still be tremendously high, the
surivors being only a fractional percentage. If the nazs had used machine
guns there definitely wouldn't be millions of "holocaust survivors" (a non
sequitur in itself) walking around bragging how they survived several
so-called "deathcamps"

>4) You can't fool the victims. Once lined up to be shot,
>   they'd realize what is going on. They may try to escape.

Escaping as noted before was not a problem in Cambodia or in El Salvador
or anywhere else.  In Rwanda, they used machetes to kill half a million
Rwandans, and that was when the Tutsis -were- running away.  This gas
chamber stuff is pure malarky

>On the other hand, killing these 2,000 people in a gas 
>chamber:

what gas chamber had 2,000 people?  What are you talking about. You think
Zyklon B can kill 2,000 people quickly?  Are you joking

>1) Saves ammunition.

but requires an elaborate and costly transportation/camp system wasting
far more resources

>2) You can try and fool the victims that they're going
>   to be washed/disinfected (as the Nazis attempted).

who needs to be "fool" people the nazis already have at gunpoint? Millions
of people in Russia were executed without needing to be "fooled"
beforehand. All that was needed is just a clearing or a wall to line them
up, shoot them, and then dump them. You keep assuming that the nazis -had-
to "fool" jews to kill them.  That's bullshit. The nazis already had them
in trains, the nazis already had full control to do whatever they wished. 
Obviously the nazis weren't trying to "exterminate" jews

>3) Is extremely cheap and fast (4 Kg of Zyklon, 10-15
>   minutes).

Zyklon B fast?  

>4) But for extremely rare cases, you're guaranteed all
>   victims are dead.

Keren it's absurd to say that nazis would go through an expensive
rigmarole to "fool" people who just acquiesced in being transported
against their will hundreds of miles.  The power to transport is at least
the power to shoot -dead- if the nazis so desired

>These are obvious advantages of gassing over shooting.

that is if they -didn't- have to transport jews hundreds of miles. Plus if
the nazis -were- going to gas them they could have built the gas chambers
nearby.  
Obviously the nazis were up to something other than your fraudulent
"extermination" claim.  

Kurt Stele


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rcgraves@ix.netcom.com (Rich Graves) wrote:

>What it means to be American

>I had flown from San Francisco to Norfolk and was riding in a taxi to my
>hotel to attend a conference on multiculturalism. Hundreds of educators
>from across the country were meeting to discuss the need for greater
>cultural diversity in the curriculum. My driver and I chatted about the
>weather and the tourists. The sky was cloudy, and Virginia Beach was
>twenty minutes away. The rearview mirror reflected a white man in his
>forties. "How long have you been in this country?" he asked. "All my
>life," I replied, wincing, 

aww, poor japanese guy.  I'm feel so -sorry- for him, he has to put up
White men asking him questions!  this is just awful  

>"I was born in the United States." With a
>strong southern drawl, he remarked: I was wondering because your English
>is excellent!" Then, as i had many times before, I explained: "My
>grandfather came here from Japan in the 1880s. My family has been here,
in
>America, for over a hundred years." He glanced at me in the mirror.
>Somehow I did not look "American" to him; my eyes and complexion looked
>foreign.

(sniff, sniff)  I'm breaking down..   :-(

>Suddenly, we both became uncomfortably conscious of a racial divide
>separating us. An awkward silence turned my gaze from the mirror to the
>passing landscape, the shore where the English and the Powhatan Indians
>first encountered each other. Our highway was on land that Sir Walter
>Raleigh had renamed "Virginia" in honor of Elizabeth I, the Virgin Queen.
>In the English cultural appropriation of America, the indigenous peoples
>themselves would become outsiders in their native land. 

listen to Mr. Japan getting all self-righteous when his native would land
hardly even allows -Koreans- to become citizens, much less AIDS-infested
Haitians 

>Here, at the
>eastern edge of the continent, I mused, was the site of the beginning of
>multicultural America. Jamestown, the English settlement founded in 1607,
>was nearby: the first twenty Africans were brought here a year before the
>Pilgrims arrived at Plymouth Rock. 

Do you think the pilgrams braved disease and Indians to found a country
where any biped is permitted citizenship and dole money for free biped
child-delivery as soon as the biped drags his knuckles across the border? 
I think the pilgrims would have stayed home.

Kurt Stele


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klewis@awinc.com (Ken Lewis) wrote:

>On 21 Aug 1996 12:22:05 -0400, kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele) wrote:


>>You'll have to come up with better "evidence" for your Holohoax fish
tale
>>than eyewitness "testimony" from the defeated at a kangaroo court of
>>victor's vanquish where the witnesses were tortured, coerced,
>>psychologically tricked, and falsely promised freedom or mitigated
>>punishment if they testified to Holohoax lies.

>Nope. Sorry Kurt. You'll have to come up with the evidence that anyone
>was tortured, coerced, or whatever.

>Funny thing, none of the Nuremberg defendants ever claimed this.
>Albert Speer speaks specifically of how well he was treated by the
>Allies.

>I think you are making up history as you go along here.

you obviously are lacking on this occasion with relevant knowledge about
the warcrime trials

Kurt Stele


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Chuck Ferree  wrote:

>Chuck Ferree wrote:

>First of all, the media is not owned nor controlled by any ethnic 
>group (if one perceives Jewish people as an ethnic group.) Which I 
>don't.
>Further more, for the benefit of kurt and other dummies like 
>him...where does it say in our Constitution, that Jews, or Catholics, 
>or Baptists, or anyone else can't invest their money in any enterprise 
>they wish to. Even if one group of Americans own 100% of the media, 
>which is impossible, not to mention illegal, so what. We live in a 
>free society. the turd kurt uses the media as an outlet for his 
>anti-Semitism. Now, here's a guy I would not want to go to the moon 
>with.

>Chuck

You raise a good point, Chuck.  Indeed -why- does it matter whether media
control is in the hands of a single group of people?  The simple reason
is, the media is power. It bestows upon the wielder the power to shape
people's attitudes, beliefs, and view of reality. The jews control the
media and they use it to suit their interests and to propagate -their-
values and beliefs. The media also slants the news in favor its jewish
agnenda.  Furthermore, other races are inculculated with -jewish- values
which do not fit them. Also, the jewish media foists untruths like the
Holohoax upon the public in order to further jewish interests. I realize
you probably could care less about any of these matters Chuck but maybe
some of us do.  Ok, go back to looking for your keys, Chuck.

Kurt Stele


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>From  "Sobibor!"

>After they had passed these three barracks they stood naked and ashamed,
>surrounded by armed Ukrainian guards. Then they were divided into long
>rows and were made to run by whipping them mercilessly. Chasty women
>who covered their breasts with their hands were pulled out of the row and
>their breast were cut off. Children were snatched from the arms of their
>mothers and thrown on the earth and kicked to death with nailed boots.

yeah sure, tell me some more baloney

>The way to the "Sanitary Center" was stained with blood and squashed
brains of >children.

I'll believe it if you say so

>The death camps worked at full capacity day and night without any
>interruption. When the hideous screaming of the suffocating was heard
>from the "Sanitary Center", the Germans let loose a herd of geese they
>had especially bread for this purpose. The noise that the geese started
>deafened the voices of the suffocating in the gas chambers.

Geese.  

is the Holocaust bullshit or what?

Kurt Stele


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Marty Kelley  wrote:

>On 22 Aug 1996, Kurt Stele wrote:

>> Mike Curtis wants proof that the media continually furthers the
Holocaust
>> Tale.  
>> 
>> I haven't the heart even to say "Shindler's List" for starters.

>Ah, yes, I remember it well, how everybody was forced against their will 
>by the evil Jewish media to watch _Schindler's List_.  

actually several people -were-, and -will- be forced to see Swindler's
List.  They have made it mandatory in several school districts as
"required viewing."  Yet another way to indoctrinate our youth with
politcally correct (anti)thought.

No -other- group has -forced- state school districts to show students a
film focusing primarily on the alleged trials of their people.  Must be
great to have money-power

Kurt Stele


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kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) wrote:

>Mr. Giwer is, as far as I can determine, 

herein lies the problem

Kurt Stele


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From: kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele)
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Subject: Re: "Those Sensitive Nazis."
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 wrote:

>>[self-congratulatory holohugger chat snipped]
>>
>>>kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele) wrote:
>>
>>>>You're saying that shipping prisoners across the European
>continent by train, during a war, to tag them, house them, and then gas
them,
>using up valuable resources in energy, manpower, and cost of upkeep and
>>"deathcamp" administration, is -cheaper- then just shooting them dead on
the
>spot?  
>>
>>>Clue #1: The state didn't pay for it. As Hilberg shows in his
>>>_Destruction of the European Jews_ the funding for the one way
>tickets was paid for by the Jews themselves. Confiscated property and
>moneys made it possible to take the state off the hook. 
>>
>>OH. And I'm sure the nazis who were at war on 2 fronts had -nothing
>>better- to do with all of this allegedly-confiscated jewish money
>than to
>>invest it into a needless inter-continental 

>"intra-continental", not "inter-continental"

actually the there was a pipeline into Russia and even though it can be
called "Eurasia" many consider Asia a separate continent from Europe --
two continents, "inter" - continental is correct

>>train transportation scheme to transport jews the nazis could have
executed right there if they were trying exterminate them.

>They tried that. Not efficient enough. The regular soldiers were
>oten distressed by it and it also risked encouraging the locals
>to join resistance groups. It is easier to retain control and
>to fight a war if the people in the conquered territories are
>queiscent rather than fighting partisan warfare, sabotaging
>supplies and disrupting transport.

They -didn't- try that.  All it would have taken is for Hitler to assign a
detachment of "insensitive" soldiers -- which according to the
Holocausters there was no dearth of, and have them line up mounted machine
guns and proceed to mow down prisoners.  That is the way it was done by
Stalin's army. They had to problems "psychologically" or otherwise, nor
did Pol Pot's or any other army mentioned.  Common Sensical. Logical. 
Easy.  If the nazis were trying to exterminate jews they could have done
it also without the unlikely and highly suspect psychological seizures the
holocausters are fond to assert and in fact -must- assert if their tale is
to be plausible in the least.  Even then it raises far more questions then
it answers.

>>There was no need to transport the jews at cost to kill them
>>elsewhere if they could have been killed nearby.  If the nazis had no
need to >>transport jews into camps to kill them then what -was- the
purpose of >>transporting the jews to the camps?  

>>To give the jews a complimentary train-tour of Europe? 

>It wasn't complimentary, it was paid for by taxes and imposts on
>the Jewish communities.

Nazis supposedly trying to "exterminate" jews were going to use this
precious money for a needless camp/trainsportation when they were fighting
a war on 2 fronts?  

>>("Ah, those sensitive nazis,
>>again.")
>>
>>Obviously the camp were being run for a different reason than to
>kill
>>(much less "gas") jews, i.e., a labor camp.

>Some were. Only a few of the camps were "Vernichtungslager". If
>you look in "Das nationasozialistische Lagersystem" (available from
>Zweitausendeins), you'll see a complete list of all the Nazi camps,
>a list which is several hundred pages long. Only ten or so camps
>were extermination camps. 

why were they not -all- "extermination" camps?  Remember you just told me
the nazis were supposedly trying exterminate the jews.  Either they were
trying to exterminate jews or they -weren't-.  No other army accused of
extermination have ever went about things so ambiguously as the nazis did.
Their behavior according to the Holocaust tale is not at all consistent
with their notoriously efficient and precise measures the took for
everything else

>>>They did try shooting them dead, but the reports from those in the
>>>field showed that the shooters were stressed out about it. They
>had to
>>>come up with a different way. Shooting was taking a psychological
>>>price out of the soldiers and local police forces assigned to do
>the
>>>shootings. I suggest you read the histories by Christopher
>Browning.
>>>_Ordinary Men_ comes to mind.
>>
>>The holohuggers on the one hand tell us that the nazis were brutal,
>>uncaring, diabolical, the incarnation of hell, evil itself, and
>supposedly
>>forced women to clean stairs with their tongues, supposedly shoved
>jews
>>into ovens, supposedly did medical experiments on jews, supposedly
>>participated in an elaborate extermination plan of jews by gassing
>them. 
>>
>>Yet according to holohugger Mike Curtis these same "evil nazis" who
>>supposedly were trying to exterminate jews were "too sensitive" to
>kill
>>them by simply shooting them. 
>>

>Not "too sensitive", but "stressed" --- it is a common phenomenon
>for 
>people to suffer from stress even when doing things they enjoy, such
>as competing in sport.

yes but this "stress" wouldn't have prevented the nazis from shooting
people as they were ordered to, the way every other army was able to do.
"Strangely enough" so the holocausters tell us, the nazis were unable to
kill by shooting yet the holocausters say the nazis were able to commit
all manner of far more brutal atrocities without any "stress" at all, such
as cutting breasts off of live women. It is all very suspicious.  Many
don't buy it, with good reason

>>It's amazing the depth of absurdity one will voluntarily descend to
>when
>>one is a priori determined by any means to support a historically
>absurd
>>theory such as the Holohoax.
>>

>The Holocaust is indeed absurd if one views it rationally
>and assumes that the perpetrators were rational human
>beings from a society which prided itself on being the
>acme of civilisation. It defies rational, human comprehension
>that something like that could have happened.

that is, if indeed it -did- happen.  When you view it more sensibly it
becomes apparent that extermination wasn't their object, and everything
makes far more sense. But viewed under the Holocaust Tale we are forced to
believe in several anomalies and inconsistencies

>The only more absurd phenomenon is to see the attempts, such as
>in this newsgroup to deny by whatever gyrations possible, that one
>of the best documented and attested horrors in Western history
>occurred. We have witnessed here eyewitness acciunts by victims
>of the camps, by guards from the camps, by executioners, by
>bystanders,
>by the designers discarded as "meaningless" or "worthless", we
>have seen the recorded words of the planners -- recorded as text,
>on film, on tape and on disc -- reinterpreted as "ambiguous" when
>they are as unambiguous as a battle-axe in the middle of your
>forehead.

war propaganda is as old as the hills, d.A. and many nazis went to their
deaths asserting the whole thing never happened and an unreasonably few
number of nazis actually claimed to have "known" anything at all about
these claims.  Doctoring evidence, coercing witnesses, and a one-sided
martial court staffed by hostile and vindictive victors doesn't make for
either justice nor fact-finding but rather is the ideal conditions for an
anti-German frame-up.

Kurt Stele


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libwca@larry.cc.emory.edu (william c anderson) wrote:

>Kurt Stele (kurtstele@aol.com) wrote:
>: libwca@larry.cc.emory.edu (william c anderson) wrote:

>: >No, actually, it doesn't.  The fact is that many (not all, not even
>: >most) of the people involved in the executions suffered
psychologically
>: >from them; that you find this remarkable does not reflect well on your
>: >character.
>: 
>: Then again I probably don't your unrealistic view of the nature of war.


>So, in your view, a realistic view of the nature of war would include
>the mass executions of unarmed civilian men, women and children, for
>no reason at all except their ethnic background?  It wouldn't cause you
>psychological harm to shoot hundreds of children as they clung to their
>mothers?  

>No, I guess it wouldn't. 

ethnic warfare in history is commonplace. An army getting unable to shoot
due to "stress" is not. In no ethnic conflict has it ever happened where
an entire army became incapacited due to stress and had to resort to gas
chambers to do their purported work.  Also, remember you just told me the
nazis were able to stomp on infants and laugh about it, yet they were
still too "sensitive" to pull a trigger? This is nonsense 

>: To say the nazis were able to rip the breasts off living women and
stomp
>: babies for fun and laugh about it, and yet they couldn't shoot jews
even
>: for the mere sake of preserving precious resources and manpower, is
>: ludicrous and a perfect example of the ridiculous lengths of credulity
the
>: holocausters wish to take us. If the nazis were as sensitive as you
>: holohuggers make them out to be they would have looked -forward- to
>: shooting them in order to be spared the psychological trauma of the
very
>: acts you allege

>I don't understand this paragraph, but it seems to be another example
>of the collectivist mentality of the deniers.  Just as they insist all
>Jews must be greedy because Michael Eisner is, they also insist on the
>impossibility of SOME nazis performing acts of great cruelty with a 
>clear conscience, while SOME OTHER nazis couldn't stomach it.  Nope;
>they were all nazis, so they all have to go into the same bag, just as
>THE JOOS all have to go into their bag, and the blacks into theirs, and
>the Noble Aryans into theirs.  There's no room for individual difference
>in the world of the White Power Rangers; the group is everything.

>Sad.

to say that "psychological trauma" was so widespread that it forced the
nazis to forgo the normal and natural methods of execution (shooting) to
replace them with "gas chambers" is plain bullshit.  Especially given the
sadism you claim the nazis perpetrated on a daily basis.

But I'm not the asserting the gas chamber claim, you are, so why don't you
stop your ninny-pinny moralizing and address the point at hand

Kurt Stele


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Subject: Jewish holohugger ridicules goy religionists
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Alexander Kimel  wrote:

>Kurt Stele wrote:
>> 
>> dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote:
>> 
>> >kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele) writes:
>> 
>> ># In Stalin's case his secret police, as well as the Soviet
>> ># leadership itself, was overwhelmingly jewish.  Most notable
>> ># among the NKVD for ruthlessness and sadism were Lavrenti
>> ># Beria and Yagoda.
>> 
>> >More lies from the untermench. Beria was not Jewish.
>> 
>> he most certainly was. Next thing Keren is going to be telling me that
KGB
>> killing-fiend Yagoda wasn't jewish either, or even that the media is
run
>> by gentiles
>> 
>> Kurt Stele

>-- 
>-----------------------------------------------
>Dear Kurt:

>Do you know that Christ, St. Paul, the Apostles, Moses, Isaiah, who
>taught us love and morality, were Jews?

>Do you know that all those that brought us hatred and destruction; 
>Hitler, Heydrich, Himmler, Goebbels were born and raised in the Catholic
>religion?

>Do you know that Stalin, another mass murderer,  was a dropout from the
>Priestly Seminarium?

>Do you know that all the apostles of materialism and communism Engels,
>Lenin and even Marx were raised in the Christian religion? Yes, Marx was
>converted to Christianity.

did you know that the murderous band of cutthroats who took over Russia by
revolution to impose the genocidal insanity of communism (i.e., a -real-
holocaust) were overwhelmingly jewish?  

didn't think so.

>So now like a good hatemonger, go to church, confess your sins, but
>remember that the Gates to heaven are in Jewish hands.  I hope that St.
>Peter will give you the business, when your time will come. A few Ave
>Marias will not help you. St. Mary is Jewish too.

Wow, Alex.  Could you be ridiculing Christians?  I am not a Christian but
you have just ridiculed their religion. I realize that being jewish
essentially entitles you to ridicule other people's religion with impunity
but you may want to keep your contempt for the goyim and his religion a
little more subtle. But you know (laugh) I realize it's difficult though,
considering that you pretty much get your way all the time. I know it's so
easy to take advantage of us gullible goyim. I guess we must look pretty
stupid to you sometimes. :- )  "Like cattle" as you describe us in your
Old Testament. Alex you posted "Hiter and Stalin" in a not-so-subtle
attempt to bash Christianity, but I guess you decided to go ahead and just
let it all hang out. Don't worry though -- no holohugger is going to
condemn you for ridiculing goy religion. Don't get me wrong though, I
appreciate the fact that through Christianity you can further fool the
goyim in viewing you as "the chosen" and getting him grant you religious
sanctuary and special privileges in goy societies. But I don't subscribe
to Christianity 

>Best Regards:

>Alexander Kimel - Holocaust Survivor  

"Holocaust -survivor-"  : gee, a survivor from a "holocaust"?  (non
sequitur?)

Now don't that just say it all.

Kurt Stele


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Keith Morrison  wrote:

>The Giwer Clone wrote:

>> >Then why do you only focus on the Jewish religion?  What about the
>> >centuries of murder and torture and corruption carried out in the name
of
>> >Jesus Christ?
>> 
>> probably 'cause -Christians- aren't the ones extracting millions of
>> guilt-shekels out of pockets every year for another bevy of docudramas,
>> movies, museums, and other paraphernalia in remembrance of the
"Christian
>> Holocaust", and then calling us "haters" if we disagree

>Yeah, some of them only run TV networks and organizations dedicated
>to squeezing every cent out of their congregations, claiming God
>threatened to kill them unless more money is sent in, live by the
>"Do as I say, not as I do" principal, threaten to kick politicians
>out of office unless they agree to regulate how everybody else will
>live their lives and sponsor attempts at censorship and promote
>hatred against other groups.

I guarantee you the Christian coalition can't extract a million
guilt-shekels off the American public at will 

>Please describe the Israeli government program to kill all the
Palestinian
>children. 

Ah yes. The most important deaths are the death of jews. I'm sorry but I
forgot.  Palestinian children deaths certainly don't warrant a holocaust
monument, or a _Swindler's List_. Not important enough. Not like they were
being killed because they were Palestinians or anything. Plus, if they let
allowed Palestinians to have a monument it would divert money that could
go to more Holocaust films.

Kurt Stele



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Subject: The Politics of Holohugging:  Theory
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Good morning, afternoon, and night:  revisionists and
revisionist-adherents.

We have read much on the Great Hoax and have examined the facts for and
against. Most of us were raised on the mother's milk of the Holocaust,
being taught at all levels of schooling that the Germans during WWII
attempted to systematically exterminate jews, and thus the Germans were
"eeevil." Without a doubt nearly all of us at one time or another were
believers in the Great Swindle of all swindles. But eventually we came to
conclude the Sacred Hoax is precisely that.  Most reached that insight by
reading revisionist materials, others had doubts about it which were
created or verified by a relative or friend who was in Europe or Russia
around the time of WWII.  Yet we eventually came to realize that the
Holocaust is an insidious and deliberate exaggeration and consists of
outright lies. The Holocaust tale is nothing more than anti-German war
propaganda and is absurd on the very face of it. 

But today I'd like for us to examine one of the holohuggers' tactics:

"Where are your sources?" they crow.  

Given the fact that the Allies won the war and that our media is
jewish-controlled, revisionism is perforce therefore taboo. The fact of
jewish media control is known by reading documentation of media ownership.
By virtue of their media control, the jews are also the most powerful
group in society.  How can this be independently verified?  By a simple
test:  close your eyes, face North, and ask yourself the following
question:

"Which group will I be the most punished for if I criticize it?"

In our society the obvious answer is "the jews."  It certainly -isn't-
whites for as most people know one can bash whites as a group all day long
and hardly raise an eyebrow, much less incur an accusation of racism.

The same jewish media domination is highly influential in the printed
press too, as demonstrated in the St. Martin's incident, in which jewish
pressure succeeded in canceling a contract with David Irving. Therefore,
writers must tow the party line or they won't get published in the
mainstream press.  

Since the media, which is a part of the same power system which created
the Holocaust Myth, dictates which is "mainstream" and does not permit the
publishing of revisionist material in the mainstream press, this obviously
puts the revisionist at a great disadvantage in the ability to cite
various aspects about revisionism through "mainstream" sources. 

Likewise, the holocausters have ample books of "history" at their
disposal, all which catalog and extrapolate further upon the hoary old
lies.  It is from this great body of works, premised on the initial
falsehoods, that the holocauster presents his "proof.

Thanks for being here today.

Kurt Stele


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Keith Morrison  wrote:

>Kurt Stele wrote:

>> That's like saying nobody -has- to watch TV while the jews own nearly
>> every media company in existence.  What other channels can you turn to?
>> 
>> Duh.

>Ted Turner's Jewish?  And here I thought CNN and TBS was safe.  And I
guess
>Fox is a wipe out to.  Damn, I knew The Simpsons was part of the ZOG
>conspiracy.

>Duh.

>--
>Keith Morrison
>t08o@unb.ca

The only goy media boss you can mention is Ted Turner.

Jews always cite Ted Turner in the specious attempt to refute the claim
that the jews dominate and run the media.

Every other media boss besides Ted Turner -is- jewish.

The jews have a monopoly on the media.

Citing the exception only affirms this rule.

Kurt Stele.


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dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>For the honor of your fuehrer, respond. Don't be a bloody
>coward. There's nothing more disgusting and revolting
>than a little nazi pig who's also a damned coward. Really,
>you make me vomit. I'm serious.

yeah, blah blah blah 

Kurt Stele


From kurtstele@aol.com Sat Aug 24 15:57:06 PDT 1996
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mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van Alstine) wrote:

>In article <4vimic$e5l@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt
>Stele) wrote:

>> mcurtis@inetport.com (Mike Curtis) wrote:
>> 
>> >yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>> 
>> >>>   kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele) writes:
>> >>
>> >>>There was no need to transport the jews at cost to kill them
>> >>>elsewhere if they could have been killed nearby.  
>> >>
>> >>On what basis do you state that the transportation "cost" the nazi
>> 
>> >>government.  As a matter of fact, the transportees were charged
normal
>> >>train fares which was taken from confiscated Jewish property.
>> >>
>> 
>> >I told him this. He ignored this. He's a typical denier stooge. He's
>> >here to post his hate. Show that he has no answers to our questions
>> >and look foolish. 
>> 
>> Mike I've already addressed this.  

>And you were shown to be sorely lacking in the evidence department. Try
again.

>> It is absurd to claim that nazis who were supposedly trying to
exterminate 
>> jews would pay for a needless camp/train transportation system when
they
>could 
>> have simply executed them nearby.  

>Uh, hello? Anybody home? Herr Wankermeister, you have been informed
>several times now that the Nazis didn't pay one RM for transporting the
>Jews to their deaths. You've had references to the works scholars, like
>Hilberg's _Destruction_, handed to you so that you may confirm this for
>yourself. Yet you ignore these efforts to drag your awareness of the
>historical facts up from the gutter. Why? What on earth could you
possibly
>find so enthralling about being an illiterate bigot? 

>> The nazis were fighting a 2-front war and men and money were at
>> all-time premium. 

>Indeed. Which is one more reason that would explain the resort to
>extermination camps. They took less troops than the mobile killing
>operations did. 

>But you already knew that. You've been told enough. 

>> Or even if they had wanted to "gas" jews instead of easily shooting
them, 
>> which itself would have been inexplicable...

>What do you so "inexplicable," Herr Wankermeister? Concentrating the Jews
>in ghettos and then shipping them off to the death camps to be killed was
>simply more effient and took less manpower than killing them in situ. 

>But you already knew that too. You've been told enough. 

>> ...they could have set up gas chambers  nearby since according to the 
>> holocausters any old barn will do for a  gas-chamber.  

>And, Herr Wankermeister, your evidence for this is? The which gassing
>aktions used just "any old barn?" Please, do speak up. 

>> Aren't you paying attention?

>Odd, I was just going to ask yiou that very same question. 

>Well? Are you? Or, Herr Wankermeister, are you indeed nothing more the
>"typical denier stooge"  who is "here to post his hate" and nothing
>more?   

>(Sotto voce: As if we didn't already know...) 

>Mark

Mark get help from Mike or Chuck.  You still didn't get the transportation
point

Kurt Stele


From kurtstele@aol.com Sat Aug 24 18:02:41 PDT 1996
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dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>The real question is: have ZOG agents captured poor
>old "kurt stele", and squeezed his balls, forcing him
>to prove in his articles that "revisionists" are 
>stupid, lying Nazi scum?

>See below. How much squeezing did it take to make him
>post that one?

> ----
>For a summary of the "revisionist" position, look at what
>Nazi propagandist and "revisionist", Kurt Stele, wrote:

> From:         kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele)
> Message-Id:   <4ut4ht$p8i@newsbf02.news.aol.com>

># The Holocaust is a funny thing..
># When you hear about it, you wish it never happened..
># When you discover it's a hoax ya kind of wish it did!
># Kurt Stele

>

>-Danny Keren.

Keren forgot to post my follow-up (ah, forgetful Keren). Don't mention it
Keren, here it is:

I was trying to make the point that you jews and your ongoing efforts to
suppress, harrass and criminalize revisionists and to prosecute
"thoughtcrimes" are causing people to resent you. 

When people wake up to the fact that the jews have been shamelessly lying
to them, they will -resent- the jews for doing so.

This is the same sort of jewish lying and chicanery which has caused
resentful backlashes against jew throughout history before. 

And no wonder.

You people are hypocrites of the highest order. 

You jews complain about how badly you were mistreated by the nazis (even
though it's a lie) yet you brutalize Palestinians on a continual basis.

You jews pontificate and condemn how repressive and dictatorial the nazis
supposedly were 

yet you harrass, prosecute and imprison people for "thoughtcrimes."

you claim the nazis divested you of your possessions and wealth

yet you and shamelessly parasitically have extorted billions in "guilt"
marks from the German government, along with countless millions in US
taxpayer dollars for Holocaust and Israel upkeep -- all which directly or
indirectly comes from your alleged "victim" status.

In your chauvanism you claim to be morally superior to the rest of the
world

yet you perpetrate the very crimes you project on to other peoples

In other words, -you- people are the -real- nazis of contemporary fiction

because the nazi of legend was itself a creation of the jewish soul

and a projection of the jew himself.

Hypocrite.  Holonazi.

The longer and harder you continue to enforce this Lie the harder it will
die in the end. 

When the Lie finally falls the people will be looking for answers from
their deceivers...

which is why jewish holohuggers are working at breakneck speed to outlaw
free speech on the internet and elsewhere, by calling it "hate." 

Yet all your efforts will come to naught because Truth inevitably outs.

But I realize you will continue to push your Lie even -harder- because you
cannot help yourselves 

and are doing merely what comes naturally.
 
The Holohugger and the truth-seeker have irreconcilable differences.

Kurt Stele

"Those Jews who still want to be the chosen race can go to Palestine and
stew in their own juice.  The rest had better stop being Jews and start
being human beings."  

George Bernard Shaw (_Literary Digest_, October 12, 1932)


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who cares about shareholders and nonesense, Ken, the jews run the media

Kurt Stele


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Subject: A lesson in true genocide: Rwanda
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Holohuggers claim nazis -had- to resort to gas instead of the obviously
simpler and convenient means of shooting because "the jews would 'rip
their throats' out" or in the alternative that "the jews would run away"
if the nazis didn't disguise what they were doing. (?)  Yet in 1994 the
Hutus in Rwanda killed over half a million Tutsis in just three months
using machetes, i.e., chasing down the Tutsis on foot. For the nazis to
use -machine guns- would certainly have been far easier.

"Paul Grossrieder, ICRC's deputy director for Operations, was escorting a
convoy of medical equipment from neighbouring Burundi one April day when
"suddenly, in a field near Butare, we came across of pile of bodies, still
warm; they were mainly those of women executed with machetes, axes and
screwdrivers. Nearby, we saw Hutu extremists gouge out the eyes of a
seven-year-old boy.

"Had Grossrieder or anyone else tried to intervene, they would have
suffered a similar fate. Elsewhere, as reported by the French daily Le
Monde, a journalist visiting the ICRC hospital in Kigali saw "two
brothers: one had his feet cut off, the other his hands" and a
seven-year-old girl who had been savagedly raped. These were daily
occurrences in a country struck by homicidal madness. 

"The outside world was also confused by the fact that both Tutsis as well
as Hutu political opponents were being killed. "We failed to see that all
Tutsis, whether men, women, or children, were being targeted." As a
result, the failure if not reluctance to recognize that the atrocities in
Rwanda were part of a deliberate policy meant that when the world finally
intervened, "it was far too late." Over a
three month period, up to half a million people were slaughtered and 1.5
million forced to flee in terror from their homes." 

Crosslines Global report "The lessons of Rwanda" 1994


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which jew bankers run the fed res

kmcvay@nizkor.org (Ken McVay OBC) wrote:

>In article <4vitke$cjv@news.usaor.net>, mckinney@usaor.net wrote:

>>Nobody whines like the Jews and the Holocaust is like the 
>>Energizer Rabbit - it keeps going and going and going and 

>Did you expect the world to forget, Sir?

pat pat pat, on the head for a good goy

Kurt Stele

 
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From kurtstele@aol.com Sun Aug 25 09:51:19 PDT 1996
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schwartz@infinet.com wrote:

>In article <4vgbna$mv2@sjx-ixn3.ix.netcom.com>,
>joebuck@ix.netcom.com(Charles) wrote:


>>   Weren't you aware that there's a multi-million-dollar
>> US-taxpayer-paid-for Holocaust Memorial in Washington, D.C.? (Not even
>> considering, for the moment, the disturbing fact that it openly focuses
>> almost exclusively on Hitler's Jewish victims, virtually ignoring the
>> non-Jewish ones.)

>"Joebuck"
> 
>I'm sorry, but you're lying.
> 
>The Holocaust Museum focuses on VICTIMS OF THE HOLOCAUST.
> 
>The Jews.
>The Gypsies.
>Homosexuals.
>Catholics.
> 
>ALL the victims of the Holocaust.
> 
>Have you BEEN to the US Holocaust Museum or are you just speaking out of
>your ass?
> 
>Sara

yeah, like it's not safe to assume that the Holocaust museum focuses on
jews. Sara says you have to actually -go- there to verify that one

Kurt Stele


>"It's always nice to see a prejudice overruled by a deeper prejudice."
>    John Sayles, _Lone Star_

so prejudice is OK as long as it's -your- prejudice, right?


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gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) wrote:

>In message <4v35o6$5pf@newsbf02.news.aol.com> - kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt
Stele)
>writes:
>:>
>:>Marty Kelley  wrote:

>[deleted]

>:>>Please read the book or rent the film _Shoah_.  You will see that
>:>>Suchomel is being interviewed by Claude Lanzmann, the director of the
>:>>film, and is speaking of his own free will, in the early 1980s. 
Suchomel
>:>>spoke to Lanzmann under one condition: that Lanzmann would not reveal
his
>:>>identity.  Other than breaking that promise (Lanzmann shows Suchomel's
>:>>face and identifies him by name), the interviews involved no trickery:
>:>>Lanzmann did not torture Suchomel, Suchomel was not being prosecuted,
and
>:>>no courts were involved.  All the film shows is a former Nazi guard,
>:>>speaking freely because he thinks he will be anonymous, telling of
what
>:>he
>:>>did during the war.
>:>
>:>>Do you still want to call him a liar?
>:>
>:>Yes. 
>:>
>:>I'm calling him a liar.  
>:>
>:>You can pay anyone to say anything -- especially given the money-power
of
>:>the jews.  

>I see.  So if the Jewish survivors say it happened, they are liars.  If
the
>German documents say it happened, they are forgeries.  If the Nazi
>perpetrators say it happened, they are also liars, or were tortured, or
both,
>or are really aliens from Mars.

>I guess it all boils down to one thing: you are an idiot.

>[Nazi drivel deleted]

no, it's called "the Allies won the war."

you shouldn't be so gullible McFee

Kurt Stele


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oelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) wrote:

>In article <4vjntc$qpv@newsbf02.news.aol.com> kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt
Stele) writes:

>>There they go again, putting more people behind bars for "eeevil"
>>thoughts. I guess the holohuggers are really the new thought police.  

>>_1984_ was written for people like the holonazis.  "You thought
criminal!
>>How -dare- you think those thoughts! Off to jail you go."

>>Nevermind that he was an American citizen, put on trial by a foreign
>>country, and without one -peep- of protest from the U.S. government. 
Had
>>it been an American jew put on trial in a foreign land, you can just
>>imagine the furious outcry that would have been created. 

>Apparently you haven't noticed that Lauck was put on trial not merely by
a 
>foreign country, but *in* a foreign country, whose laws he had manifestly

>violated.  If you've got a problem with those laws, write to the German 
>government; I'm sure they'll be happy to hear your complaints.

holohugger of course has no problem with the thoughtcrime laws

Kurt Stele


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yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>   kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele) writes:

>>  history is written by the victors.

>	There are no German historians?

>	Pull the other one.

>	--YFE

The well-known phrase "history is written by the victors" means that the
victors have the power to say what the -dominant- view of history will be.
They also have the power to -rewrite- past history, to falsify events, to
-omit- events, to emphasize certain events to the diminution or exclusion
of others, and to fabricate events out of whole cloth.

In this case, the Allies won the war.

The Germans -lost- the war.

Therefore the Allies can write history any way they choose and can falsify
history to suit their agenda or that of moneyed-interests.

The Hollowcause is just one such fabrication.

The jews fabricated The Hollowcause because they stood to gain a huge sum
of "guilt" money for themselves and for the young bandit-state of Israel,
another persecution myth to unify jews worldwide, and a weapon to attack
anyone who would criticize them.

Yes there may exist German "historians" who doubt the holohoax

but not only is their view not permitted dominance

it is not even permitted -legally-.

Kurt Stele


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ibokor@metz.une.edu.au (ibokor) wrote:

>Kurt Stele wrote:

>the nazis  could have executed right there if they were 
>trying exterminate them.
> 
> 
>d.A. responded:
> 
>They tried that. Not efficient enough. The regular soldiers 
>were often distressed by it and it also risked encouraging 
>the locals to join resistance groups. 

more bullshit.  As if taking people at night to a killing pit nearby the
way the Soviets and Cambodians did it, is at all that difficult. They
could have even done it in the day. But somehow you want us to believe
that trains criss-crossing back and forth, large numbers of people being
transporting in, and huge conspicuous "extermination camps" with
smokestacks in plain view wouldn't have alerted the public to something
going on? The deportation also was in plain view also and the nazis didn't
try to conceal it. 

Which one was it?  Were they trying to be secret or not? You say they were
trying to be secret. Yet they transported huge numbers of people in broad
daylight. Obviously they weren't trying to be secret. Obviously fear of
partisan resistance wouldn't have prompted a giant train
transportation/camp scheme for extermination purposes. If anything thing,
they could have taken the train a few miles out, halted it, evacuated the
people out of the cars, and shot them.  Too easy.

But they did not.  They transported jews into labor camps, with relatively
high sanitary conditions.  This is not indicative of an army attempting to
exterminate. If one is going to use labor there is no purpose for the
expense of prisoner upkeep if the prisoner is merely going to die of bad
conditions.  There would be no purpose in having a labor camp:  it would
be a waste of money. 

And if the nazis were sensitive enough to desist from shooting jews
(highly unlikely of -any- army supposedly ordered to shoot) surely their
tender hearts would have responded to the gas chambers too, and they would
have refused involvement there also

>The e. coli give Kurt Stele no respit:
> 
>They -didn't- try that.  All it would have taken is for Hitler 
>to assign a detachment of "insensitive" soldiers -- which according 
>to the Holocausters there was no dearth of, and have them line up 
>mounted machine guns and proceed to mow down prisoners.  
> 
> 
>d.A. realises that the gastric cramps have made it difficult
>for Kurt Stele to comprehend the texts he has been reading
>and gently reminds him:
> 
>That *was* done. Look up "Einsatzgruppen". It was stopped
>for the reasons given above.

Look it up -where- did you say?  In an another mainstream holocaust
history book?

I doubt a band of trained fighting men who supposedly were indoctrinated
with a kill-the-jews mentality and also supposedly ordered to do the same
would suddenly be overcome by "stress" and forced to stop shooting. This
is especially true given the ready availability of "insensitive" nazi
soldiers who could have and would have done the job if the nazis were
trying to exterminate them. There were never found papers for the fabled
orders to extermination, neither are there documents for the sudden
"change in plans due to SS mental stress" you speak of. Yet we have orders
up and down the chain of command for -everything- else. You have a gaping
evidentiary hole in your holocaust tale.

If the nazis would have transported jews hundreds of miles just to shoot
them elsewhere, that in itself would be strange and unlikely enough. But
to transport them hundreds of miles to "gas" them??  And then gas them
using "Raid"?  I know of a library where they have some good UFO books if
you want to believe that one. If they found the "missing orders" or the
"missing ashes" then maybe your anomalous tale could make sense.  Even
then it would go down in history as a the most absurd extermination
attempt in history.
 
>D.A. asks that the nurse read the following lines to Kurt Stele
>win his next lucidum intervallum
>
>>Not all the camps were extermination camps because they were used for
>numerous other purposes: supplying cheap labour for German
>industry, holding recalcitarnt prisoners, "retraining" political
>opponents. etc. Look at "Das nationasozialistische Lagersystem"
>(available from Zweitausendeins) for details and an extensive
>catalogue. Nazi Germany was trying to exterminate the Jewish
>population of Europe. Since the army was busy fighting an increasingly
>difficult war and since the supply of the necessary materiel
>was not guaranteed, it makes perfectly good economic and
>military sense to use as many of the intended victims as possible
>for as long as practicable. Those who were judged to be unexploitable
>*were* killed on arrival at the extermination centres. And it
>was *not* the Wehrmacht. The Wehrmacht was kept as free as possible
>to wage the wars on the fronts.

If the nazis were supposedly trying to "exterminate" jews then they would
have done it. They already had a substantial pool of Occupied inhabitants
with which to provide labor:  no need to keep jews around, even if
healthy. In ethnic cleansing the taking of prisoners for labor purposes is
completely contradictory to the purpose of ethnic extermination. Essential
to the holocaust theory is that the nazis understood the jews to be an
evil enemy and had to be wiped. You told me the nazis wanted the jews dead
because the nazis hated them, and the nazis were trying to kill them. Then
the nazis allow the prisoner jews to receive care packages and camp
amenities? 

This obviously was not an ethnic cleansing attempt.

as far as the gas chambers go, those are hoaxes. The so-called gas chamber
are actually hoaxes with hoaxes e.g., diesel engine gas chamber.
 
>d.A. provided another brief lesson in English:
> 
>Not "too sensitive", but "stressed" --- it is a common 
>phenomenon for people to suffer from stress even when doing 
>things they enjoy, such as competing in sport.
 
every army is "stressed." Are you claiming that an army engaged in a
supposedly campaign of ethnic cleansing suddenly became increasingly
"stressed" as time progressed to the point where they were suddenly unable
to shoot people and had to abandon shooting?  How ridiculous. No army
purportedly trying to ethnically cleanse has ever been forced to abandon
the campaign due to "stress." Not the Russians not the Turks, not the
Iraquis, not the Bosnians.  Noone. On the other hand you tell me over and
over the silliest lies imaginable about nazis ripping off women's breasts
and geese. Stress indeed. So contradictory.

Ethnic cleansing is commonplace in history.  The way it invariably
proceeds is that the army involved gets increasingly jaded to the killing,
not increasing sensitive. You're claiming the nazis after "ethnically
cleansing" jews became increasingly "sensitive" and had to stop when the
opposite trend occurs in these situations. Your holocaust is a piece of
horseshit and a vicious insult to Germans everywhere. 
 
>There are recorded cases of concentration camp guards, gas-van
>drivers and murder squad members requesting transfer because they
>were distressed. There is no record of any such application being 
>refused or the applicant disadvantaged.  [I do not have a reference 
>here and I ask anyone who has a specific one to post it.] The
>planners and the managers of extermination were very aware of the
>stressfulness of it all, which is one of the reason why inmates, who were
>themselves doomed, were used as far as possible.
 
Plenty of armies throughout history have carried out ethnic cleansing and
in this way killed millions. To back up your claim you have to show me an
example where an -army- had to abandon a campaign of ethnic cleansing due
to stress, not merely a few soldiers here and there. No other army in
history who supposedly undertook ethnic cleansing has ever abandoned the
task because of "stress." Not one. Your claim is bullshit. 

The reason why the nazis didn't shoot jews is not because they became "too
stressed out" to shoot them.  It is rather because extermination was not
their purpose. Had it been very few of "holocaust survivors" would be
around complaining about the "eeevil nazis" on our dime

>K.S.:
> 
>It's amazing the depth of absurdity one will voluntarily descend to
>when one is a priori determined by any means to support a
>historically absurd theory such as the Holohoax.
>
d.A.:
>
>The Holocaust is itself an absurd event if one views it 
>rationally and assumes that the perpetrators were rational 
>human beings from a society which prided itself on being the
>acme of civilisation. It defies rational, human comprehension
>that something like that could have happened.

It is plausible for an army to have a completely absurd goal or belief 
(e.g., the U.S. army attempting to "restore democracy" in Haiti.)  But
what is -not- plausible is absurdity in the -means- of carrying it out. 
What is implausible in the holocaust extermination plan is that it
requires the nazi army to act completely zany in its methodology. There is
no reason to believe that an army would use an absurd methodology in
executing its goals, no matter how absurd the goal.

Declaring the nazis' had an absurd goal does -nothing- for your case, for
there is no reason to believe that the military would execute that goal in
an absurd way. Inefficient and absurd methodology is highly unlikely given
the typically logical nature of a sophisticated modern miliary machine. 
It does not jibe.  All you have done is alleged the following:  "the nazis
had an absurd goal and that therefore it is not surprising they did things
absurdly."  

It does not follow.  

Furthermore the claim that the nazis got increasingly sensitive or
stressed in
their alleged "task" of "exterminating" does not make sense given the
nature of "ethnic cleansing.  In Rwanda for example the opposing sides
became so jaded to the bloodshed and gore of their ethnic cleansing that
even little girls got into the act of mutilating the other side's injured.
 This is what invariably happens in -actual- ethnic cleansings.  The trend
in ethnic warfare is towards ever increasing states of insensitivity, not
sensitivity. That is why your claim is such bullshit.

According to you, they used gas chambers because it was logical, and they
were forced to do so because of "stress."  But the fact is stress does not
act on a military force in an ethnic cleansing scenario the way you've
described, i.e., they had to stop shooting and switch to gas chambers due
to psychological breakdown. 

The army is simply a disinterested tool for executing a military goal.  So
what are we left with?  A logical army (you admitted they were logical)
that would have used -logical- means in to execute it goals. There is no
such reason or evidence for us to believe the nazis were -absurd- in the
execution of their goals if they were supposedly trying to exterminate the
jews -- which, of course, they were not.  

Don't try to foist the absurdity of your Holohoax theory on to the nazis. 
You're going to have to prove your case independently on its own merits. 
Stop trying to pull a fast one by saying the nazis were crazy so therefore
your theory doesn't have to make any sense.  This does not follow, and is
in fact a lame excuse for kookiness of your claims.

Kurt Stele




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klewis@awinc.com (Ken Lewis) wrote:

>In article <4vms6o$qh6@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, kurtstele@aol.com says...

>>kmcvay@nizkor.org (Ken McVay OBC) wrote:

>>Ken, I wouldn't waste time on this small stuff.  You've got some big 
>work
>>ahead of you tryin' to figure out a way to -disprove- that jews control
>>the media now that you know the leadership and ownership is 
>predominantly
>>jewish.

>It doesn't work that way, Kurt. You made the claim. You prove it. So far 
>the only thing you have proven is that you are a bigot who throws out the

>usual anti-semitic garbage and then can't back it up.

>It is a typical revisonist position to throw out the lies and then expect

>someone else to refute them.

>You made the claim...you back it up.

repeater

kmcvay@nizkor.org (Ken McVay OBC) wrote:

>In article <4vmrpp$qdu@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, 
>kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele) wrote:

>>Ken is shown in spades that the leadership and ownership of the media is
>>overwhelmingly jewish and he demands "more proof"

>Translation: I don't have a foggy notion how many
>newspapers there are in North America, let alone how many are
>owned or controlled by Jewish investors. I also don't have a
>foggy notion how many magazine publishers there are, how many
>cable broadcasters there are, how many television broadcasters
>there are, or how many radio broadcasters there are. I spite
>of this, of course, I continue to spout off about "Jewish
>control" of these industries, about which I know next to
>nothing.

>


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1)  WALT DISNEY

a- The largest media conglomerate in the world today 

b- headed by Michael Eisner (jewish)

c- the Walt Disney Picture group is headed by Joe Roth (jewish) and
includes Touchstone Pictures and Caravan Pictures

d- Disney also owns Miramax pictures, which is headed by the Weinstein
brothers (jewish)

e- Disney owns Capital Cities/ABC, whose subsidiary ESPN, is headed by
president and CEO Steven Bornstein (jewish).

2)  TIME WARNER

a- the -second- largest media conglomerate in the world today, behind Walt
Disney

b- headed by CEO Michael Levin (jewish)

c- Time Warner's is the largest in the magazine publisher in the country
and includes Time, Sports Illustrated, People, and Fortune (headed by
Norman Pearlstine -- jewish)

d- Time Warner's subsidiary HBO is the country's largest pay-TV cable
network

e- Time Warner is also the world's largest record company.

3) VIACOM

a)  The third largest media conglomerate

b)  Headed by Sumner Redstone (born Murray Rothstein -- jewish).  Redstone
-actually- owns 76% of Viacom's shares ($3 billion).

c)  Viacom produces films through Paramount pictures which is headed by
Sherry Lansing (jewish)

d)  Produces and distributes TV programs for the three largest networks
and ows 12 television stations and 12 radio stations.

e)  Viacom's publishing division Prentic Hall Simon & Schuster, and Pocket
Books, and distributes videos through over 4,000 Blockbuster Video stores.

f)  Viacom is the world's largest provider of cable programming, most
notably through Showtime, MTV, and Nickelodeon.


NOTE:  The leadership of the top 3 media conglomerates Disney, Time
Warner, and Viacom is jewish.


4)  Most of the television and movie production companies that are not
owned by the largest corporations are also controlled by jews.  New World
Entertainment which is considered the premiere independent TV program
producer in the U.S. is owned by Ronald Perelman (jewish) who also owns
Revlon cosmetics.

5)  The chairman of New World is the former head of entertainment
programming at NBC, Brandon Tartikoff (jewish)

6)  The best known of the smaller media companies is DreamWorks SKG which
formed in 1994 by recording industry mogul David Geffen (jewish), former
Disney Pictures chairman Jeffrey Katzenbgerg (jewish), and film director
Steven Spielberg (jewish). With the cash and connections these three
possess it is likely that DreamWorld may soon be in the same league as the
big three media conglomerates.

7)  Two other large production companies, MCA and Universal Pictures, are
both owned by Seagram Company, Ltd., the liquor giant, whose president and
CEO is Edgar Bronfman. (jewish)  Edgar Bronfman is also president of the
World Jewish Congress.

8)  Films produced by the just the five largest motion picture companies
mentioned above -- Disney, Warner Brothers, Sony, Paramount (Viacom) and
Universal (Seagram) -- accounted for 74 per cent of the total box-office
receipts for 1995.

9)  The number five biggest media company is the Japanese Sony
Corporation, whose U.S. subsidiary, Sony Corporation of America, is run by
Michael Schulhof, a jew.  Alan J. Levin, another jew heads the Sony
Pictures division.

II)  Newspapers

Jews own the nation's 3 most prestigious and influential newspapers:  the
New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, and the Washington Post.  These 3
papers set the trends and guidelines for nearly all others.  They
originate the news; the others merely copy it.  

1)  The New York Times

a-  headed by CEO Arthur Ochs Sulzberger, Jr. (jewish)

b-  Executive editor is Max Frankel (jewish)

c-  Managing editor is Joseph Lelyveld (jewish)

d-  The Sulzberger familly also owns throught the New York Times Co. 33
other newspapers including the Boston Globe, 12 magazines including
McCall's and Family Circle with circulations of more than 5 million each.
7 radio and TV broadcasting companies.  

e-  The New York Times company transmits news stories, features, and
photographs by wire to 506 other newspapers, news agencies, and magazines.

2)  The Washington Post

a-  Headed by Katherine Meyer Graham (jewish).  She is principal
stockholder and chairman of the board of the Washington Post Co.

b-  Her son Donald is The Washington Post's publisher (jewish).

c-  The Washington Post Co, has a number of other media holdings in
newspapers, television, and magazines, most notably the nation's
number-two weekly newsmagazine, Newsweek.

d-  In a joint venture with the New York Times the Post publishes the
International Herald Tribune, the most widely distributed English language
daily in the world

3)  The Wall Street Journal

a-  Owned by the Dow Jones Company, whose chairman and CEO of Dow Jones is
Peter R. Kahn (jewish)

b-  The nation's largest circulation newspaper -- 1.8 million copies each
weekday.

c-  The Dow Jones company also publishes 24 other daily newspapers and the
weekly financial tabloid Barron's, among others.

4)  Other New York papers

a.  In January of 1993 the New York Daily News was bought from the estate
of the late jewish media mogul Robert Maxwell (born Ludvik Hoch -- jewish)
by the real-estate developer Mortimer Zuckerman (jewish).  The Village
Voice is owned by Leonard Stern (jewish) the billionaire owner of the
Hartz Mountain pet supply.

III)  A Note on the Purported "free competition" of the print Media

After TV news, daily newspapers are the most influential information
medium in America today. Sixty million of them are sold each day.  They
are divided into some 1500 publications.  

Does this large number of publications indicate there exists substantial
independence and competition within the media industry?  Hardly.

Out of the 1500 only 25% are independently owned, and out of that number
over 100 have circulation over 100,000.  Only a handful are large enough
to maintain independent reporting staffs outside their own communities;
the rest must depend on these few for all of their national and
international news.

In only 50 cities are there more than -one- daily newspaper, and
competition is frequently nominal even among them, as between morning and
afternoon editions under the same ownership.  For example, several cities
including Birmingham, AL., Springfield, Mass., and Syracuse, NY. have
morning and afternoon editions that are both owned by Advance
Publications, a holding company of the Newhouse brothers (jewish).  

IV.  The former top three TV networks ABC, NBC, and CBS and their current
status of ownership

The big three in television network broadcasting used to be ABC, CBS, and
NBC.  With the consolidation of the media empires, these three are no
longer independent entities.  While they -were- independent, however, each
was controlled by a jew since its inception:

1)  ABC:  by Leonard Goldenson (jewish)

a-- executive producers of ABC news programs are all jewish:  Victor S.
Neufeld (20/20), Bob Reichbloom (Good Morning America), and Rick Kaplan
(World News Tonight)

2)  CBS:  first by Willliam Paley (jewish) and then by Laurence Tisch
(jewish)

a-- recently purchased by Westinghouse Electric Corporation.  Nevertheless
the man appointed by Laurence Tisch, Eric Ober (jewish) remains president
of CBS News.

3)  NBC:  first by David Sarnoff and then by his son Robert Sarnoff (both
jewish)

a-- NBC is now owned by General Electric; however, the NBC news president
is Andrew Lack (a jew) as are executive producers Jeff Zucker (Today),
Jeff Gralnick (NBC Nightly News), and Neal Shapiro (Dateline).  

Also, for several decades these networks have been staffed from top to
bottom with jews.

V.  Other:  e.g., the top 3 newsmagazines 

1)  Time magazine  

a)  weekly circulation of 4.1 million.

b)  as mentioned before, Time magazine is part of the media conglomerate
Time Warner which is headed by Gerald Levin (jewish)

2) Newsweek 

a)  weekly circulation of 3.2 million.

b)  owned by Katherine Meyer Graham (jewish)

3) U.S. News and World Report

a)  weekly circulation of 2.3 million

b)  owned by Mortimer Zuckerman (jewish), who is also editor-in-chief of
the magazine

c)  Zuckerman also owns the Atlantic Monthly magazine and as mentioned
before, New York's tabloid newspaper the Daily News which is the 6th
largest paper in the country.

4)  the top publisher of children's books is Western Publishing, with more
than 50% of the market.  Its chairman and CEO is Richard Snyder (jewish)
who just replaced Richard Bernstein (jewish)  

5)   Note of the Newhouse media empire:  founded by the late Samuel
Newhouse, a jewish immigrant from Russia.  Now run by his two son Samuel
and Donald Newhouse. Newhouse owns 26 daily newspaper which include the
top newspapers of Cleveland, Newark, and New Orleans.  Newhouse
Broadcasting consists of 12 television broadcasting stations and 87
cable-TV systems, including some of the largest cable networks; the Sunday
supplement _Parade_, with a circulation of more than 22 million copies per
week; some two dozen major magazines, including the New Yorker, Vogue,
Mademoiselle, Glamour, Vanity Fair, Bride's, GQ, Self, House & Garden, and
all the other magazines of the wholly owned Conde Nast group.


VI.  Gentile media ownership and control

Ted Turner:  amassed a fortune in advertising and built a large and
successful cable-TV news network. Turner made a bid to takeover CBS.  To
block the bid CBS invited billionaire theater, hotel, insurance, and
cigarette magnate Laurence Tisch (jewish) to launch a "friendly" takeover
of the company, and from 1986 till 1995 Tisch was the chairman and CEO of
CBS, removing any threat of non-jewish influence there. Subsequent effort
by Turner to acquire a major network have been obstructed by Levin's Time
Warner, which owns nearly 20 percent of CBS stock and has veto power over
major deals.  Subsequently, jewish newsman Daniel Schorr, who had worked
for Turner, publicly charged that his former boss held a personal dislike
for jews.

Turner employs a number of jews in key executive and managment positions
at CNN. Turner has never take public positions contrary to jewish
interests.  Despite being an innovator and garnering headlines, Turner has
never commanded the wealth and power to be a true media master. 
Furthermore, he has discussed a deal with Time Warner to merge, which
would make Time Warner the number one media conglomerate, and Levin would
become Ted Turner's boss.  Turner may have decided if you can't beat 'em,
join 'em.

Rupert Murdoch:  owns the fourth largest media company, News Corporation,
which owns Fox Television Network and 20th Century Fox Films, both of
which are headed by Peter Chermin (jewish). Murdoch has never take public
positions contrary to jewish interests.  

Even those newspapers still until under Gentile ownership and management
are so thoroughly dependent upon jewish advertising revenue that their
editorial and news reporting policies are largely contrained by jewish
likes and dislikes.  It holds true in the newspaper business as elsewhere
that he who pays the piper calls the tune.

VII.  CONCLUSION:  the control of the opinion-molding media is nearly
monolithic.  All of the controlled media -- television, radio, newspaper,
magazines, books, motion pictures -- speak with a single voice, each
reinforcing each other.  Despite the appearance of variety, there is no
real dissent, no alternative source of facts or ideas accessible to the
great mass of people which might allow them to form opinions at odds with
those of the media masters. They are presented with a single view of the
world -- a world in which -every- voice proclaims the equality of the
races, the inerrant nature of the jewish "holocaust" tale, the immorality
of attempting to halt the hordes of third world immigrants pouring into
America, and the desirability of genocidal race-mixing.  And we have just
seen that the media masters are to a large extent jewish.

The jews dominate the media ownership and control.  Yet how is it that
virtually -noone- discusses this incredible and significant fact.  The
media for some reason never reports mentions this fact.  The fact of media
ownership and control is highly significant fact because those who control
the media wield incredible power to mold the public opinions.  

Would it be too -extreme- to say that the media has effectively
-concealed- this fact? 

Do the media have the power to further orthodoxy to the Holocaust tale? 
Yes.  Are the media masters using their power to further orthodoxy to the
Holocaust tale? Yes.  If revisionism -is- true and the holocaust is
largely false, can this truth ever be given a hearing, much less a -fair-
hearing with the current status of media ownership?  No.  Is it any wonder
why the public does not know of the revisionist position and of the body
of facts in its favor?  No. Is it wonder why the public does not know of
the evidentiary deficiencies of the Holocaust tale? No. Considering the
fact that the media was heavily jewish at the time of WWII as well, along
with the torture, coercion, and obvious one-sidednessness of the WWII
"warcrime trials," as well as the benefit the jews received and receive
>from  the Holocaust tale, is it plausible that an anti-German hoax that
serves jewish interest could have been perpetrated and given wide
publicity and acceptance?  Yes.

Do the same jewish power which conceals from the public the fact of its
overwhelming media dominance also have the power to conceal the truth
about the Holocaust tale as well? 

Yes.

Kurt Stele


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Subject: Re: "Geese" and more Holocaust Bullshit
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kmcvay@nizkor.org (Ken McVay OBC) wrote:

>In article <4vmuns$r5n@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, 
>kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele) wrote:

>>From "Sobibor!"
>>
>>>After they had passed these three barracks they stood naked and
ashamed,
>>>surrounded by armed Ukrainian guards. Then they were divided into long
>>>rows and were made to run by whipping them mercilessly. Chasty
women
>>>who covered their breasts with their hands were pulled out of the row
and
>>>their breast were cut off. Children were snatched from the arms of
their
>>>mothers and thrown on the earth and kicked to death with nailed boots.

>>yeah sure, tell me some more baloney

>Translation: I know next to nothing about Sobibor, or the
>events that transpired there. Damn that H*ber for selling me
>that History-R-Us Evil German Babies Encyclicpeedia Set!

>>>The way to the "Sanitary Center" was stained with blood and squashed
>>brains of >children.

>>I'll believe it if you say so

>Translation: I know next to nothing about Sobibor. I will
>punt, try a cute response, and hope my abject ignorance goes
>unnoticed here.

>>>The death camps worked at full capacity day and night without any
>>>interruption. When the hideous screaming of the suffocating was heard
>>>from the "Sanitary Center", the Germans let loose a herd of geese they
>>>had especially bread for this purpose. The noise that the geese started
>>>deafened the voices of the suffocating in the gas chambers.

>>Geese.  
>>is the Holocaust bullshit or what?

>Translation: I know next to nothing about Sobibor, and it's
>beginning to look like everyone else knows it.

Geese.

I think only a dweeb could believe in this shit

Kurt Stele

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From kurtstele@aol.com Sun Aug 25 22:29:12 PDT 1996
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From: kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele)
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Essential to the holocaust's anomalous gas-chamber hypothesis is that
shooting had to have been impractical as the method of execution, thus
creating a purported need for gas chambers. That assertion is highly
unlikely as the NKVD demonstrated in just a small town Vynnytsia in the
Ukraine:

"From May 1943 to October 1943, 9,432 corpses were found in three places
of excavation. There were 91 graves with corpses, and three with only
clothes or documents. Forty-nine graves had from one to 100 corpses, 33
>from  100 to 200 corpses, and nine from 200 to 284 corpses. One hundred and
sixty-nine corpses were of women, 120 of advanced age, according to the
findings of the medical commission. Forty-nine women were of young or
middle age. The corpses of females of advanced age were clothed, whereas
those of the younger years were naked. This seemed to bear but the rumors
common among the local population that the young women arrested by the
NKVD were subjected to sexual brutalities prior to their execution. One
pregnant woman was found who had actually given birth to a child in the
grave. Most of the corpses were of people from 30 to 40 years of age. Most
had died from bullets from a special gun. Some of the victims had been hit
by two bullets, others had but one bullet hole, while still other had
received as many as four. Evidences of skull fracture by means of an
instrument, apparently the butt of a rifle, was fund in 391 cases. The
stronger men had their arms and legs bound. Cases of shooting in the
forehead as well as the back of their head were recorded.."

Crime of Moscow in Vynnytsia, Scottish League for European Freedom,
Edinburgh, 1952, pp.32, 

no soldiers who were "too stressed out" and no missing ash either.

Kurt Stele



From kurtstele@aol.com Mon Aug 26 07:21:40 PDT 1996
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From: kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele)
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yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>   kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele) writes:
>  
>>  Holohuggers claim that jewish economic boycotts are OK.  They claim
that
>>  jewish boycotts are no different than Baptist boycotts or Greenpeace
>>  boycotts.

>	What's the difference.

>  
>>  It's just so happens, though, that jewish-money power is far more
powerful
>>  and cohesive than any other group.  The influence and cohesion of any
>>  other group pales in comparison to the power of the jews.

>	In other words , in your opinion, it evil becasue they it better.

Yale, good and bad are meaningful judgments only in relation to the
effects jewish money-power and media control have on the particular race
subjected to them. Without a doubt they are harmful to Whites. The jewish
media and the jewish money-power which backs it espouse anti-White
propaganda, values, and policies, including race-mixing, third world
immigration, and multiculturalism. The jewish media establishment also
attacks as immoral any and all attempts by Whites to protect their gene
pool from racial pollution, which is the only way a race may prevent its
own self-genocide by race-mixing. 

Kurt Stele


From kurtstele@aol.com Mon Aug 26 07:21:42 PDT 1996
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From: kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele)
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kmcvay@nizkor.org (Ken McVay OBC) wrote:

>In article <4vjmj8$qkh@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, 
>kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele) wrote:

>>and  the rest -are- jewish.  Also, the top -3- are.  Gosh, I'm starting
to
>>realize the holohugger mentality is incapable of grasping the larger
>>ideas. They seem to always be stuck on the exceptions instead of the
rule.
>> It's that holohugger legendary obfuscation tactic coming into play

>Glad you brought that up, Mr. Stele - that "exceptions" stuff.
>Worthless, eh? I agree 100%, so let's cut to the rule....
>which, alas, you have been unable to address thus far.

>Might I remind you, Sir?

>How many newspaper publishers are there in North America?
>How many are privately held?
>How many of those are held by Jewish investors?
>How many are traded on the exchange?
>How many are held by controlling Jewish investors?

>How many magazine publishers are there in North America?
>How many are privately held?
>How many of those are held by Jewish investors?
>How many are traded on the exchange?
>How many are held by controlling Jewish investors?

>How many cable broadcasters are there in North America?
>How many are privately held?
>How many of those are held by Jewish investors?
>How many are traded on the exchange?
>How many are held by controlling Jewish investors?

>How many radio broadcasters are there in North America?
>How many are privately held?
>How many of those are held by Jewish investors?
>How many are traded on the exchange?
>How many are held by controlling Jewish investors?

>How many television broadcasters are there in North America?
>How many are privately held?
>How many of those are held by Jewish investors?
>How many are traded on the exchange?
>How many are held by controlling Jewish investors?

>I know, I know, it's a tough set of data to deal with, but
>hey, you _are_ the expert here - at least I assume you have
>expertise, since you share your beliefs with us, and those
>beliefs are obviously based upon solid and scrupulous
>research, right?

>I'll give you a hint, Bucky.... the United States and Canadian
>governments have the answers to some of these questions - finding
>the rest, for an obvious scholar like yourself, well, hey,
>that should be easy. 

>I know you're busy... life's like that these days, eh? So I
>will remind you from time to time - your own virtual memory,
>you know?

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1)  WALT DISNEY

a- The largest media conglomerate in the world today 

b- headed by Michael Eisner (jewish)

c- the Walt Disney Picture group is headed by Joe Roth (jewish) and
includes Touchstone Pictures and Caravan Pictures

d- Disney also owns Miramax pictures, which is headed by the Weinstein
brothers (jewish)

e- Disney owns Capital Cities/ABC, whose subsidiary ESPN, is headed by
president and CEO Steven Bornstein (jewish).

2)  TIME WARNER

a- the -second- largest media conglomerate in the world today, behind Walt
Disney

b- headed by CEO Michael Levin (jewish)

c- Time Warner's is the largest in the magazine publisher in the country
and includes Time, Sports Illustrated, People, and Fortune (headed by
Norman Pearlstine -- jewish)

d- Time Warner's subsidiary HBO is the country's largest pay-TV cable
network

e- Time Warner is also the world's largest record company.

3) VIACOM

a)  The third largest media conglomerate

b)  Headed by Sumner Redstone (born Murray Rothstein -- jewish).  Redstone
-actually- owns 76% of Viacom's shares ($3 billion).

c)  Viacom produces films through Paramount pictures which is headed by
Sherry Lansing (jewish)

d)  Produces and distributes TV programs for the three largest networks
and ows 12 television stations and 12 radio stations.

e)  Viacom's publishing division Prentic Hall Simon & Schuster, and Pocket
Books, and distributes videos through over 4,000 Blockbuster Video stores.

f)  Viacom is the world's largest provider of cable programming, most
notably through Showtime, MTV, and Nickelodeon.


NOTE:  The leadership of the top 3 media conglomerates Disney, Time
Warner, and Viacom is jewish.


4)  Most of the television and movie production companies that are not
owned by the largest corporations are also controlled by jews.  New World
Entertainment which is considered the premiere independent TV program
producer in the U.S. is owned by Ronald Perelman (jewish) who also owns
Revlon cosmetics.

5)  The chairman of New World is the former head of entertainment
programming at NBC, Brandon Tartikoff (jewish)

6)  The best known of the smaller media companies is DreamWorks SKG which
formed in 1994 by recording industry mogul David Geffen (jewish), former
Disney Pictures chairman Jeffrey Katzenbgerg (jewish), and film director
Steven Spielberg (jewish). With the cash and connections these three
possess it is likely that DreamWorld may soon be in the same league as the
big three media conglomerates.

7)  Two other large production companies, MCA and Universal Pictures, are
both owned by Seagram Company, Ltd., the liquor giant, whose president and
CEO is Edgar Bronfman. (jewish)  Edgar Bronfman is also president of the
World Jewish Congress.

8)  Films produced by the just the five largest motion picture companies
mentioned above -- Disney, Warner Brothers, Sony, Paramount (Viacom) and
Universal (Seagram) -- accounted for 74 per cent of the total box-office
receipts for 1995.

9)  The number five biggest media company is the Japanese Sony
Corporation, whose U.S. subsidiary, Sony Corporation of America, is run by
Michael Schulhof, a jew.  Alan J. Levin, another jew heads the Sony
Pictures division.

II)  Newspapers

Jews own the nation's 3 most prestigious and influential newspapers:  the
New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, and the Washington Post.  These 3
papers set the trends and guidelines for nearly all others.  They
originate the news; the others merely copy it.  

1)  The New York Times

a-  headed by CEO Arthur Ochs Sulzberger, Jr. (jewish)

b-  Executive editor is Max Frankel (jewish)

c-  Managing editor is Joseph Lelyveld (jewish)

d-  The Sulzberger familly also owns throught the New York Times Co. 33
other newspapers including the Boston Globe, 12 magazines including
McCall's and Family Circle with circulations of more than 5 million each.
7 radio and TV broadcasting companies.  

e-  The New York Times company transmits news stories, features, and
photographs by wire to 506 other newspapers, news agencies, and magazines.

2)  The Washington Post

a-  Headed by Katherine Meyer Graham (jewish).  She is principal
stockholder and chairman of the board of the Washington Post Co.

b-  Her son Donald is The Washington Post's publisher (jewish).

c-  The Washington Post Co, has a number of other media holdings in
newspapers, television, and magazines, most notably the nation's
number-two weekly newsmagazine, Newsweek.

d-  In a joint venture with the New York Times the Post publishes the
International Herald Tribune, the most widely distributed English language
daily in the world

3)  The Wall Street Journal

a-  Owned by the Dow Jones Company, whose chairman and CEO of Dow Jones is
Peter R. Kahn (jewish)

b-  The nation's largest circulation newspaper -- 1.8 million copies each
weekday.

c-  The Dow Jones company also publishes 24 other daily newspapers and the
weekly financial tabloid Barron's, among others.

4)  Other New York papers

a.  In January of 1993 the New York Daily News was bought from the estate
of the late jewish media mogul Robert Maxwell (born Ludvik Hoch -- jewish)
by the real-estate developer Mortimer Zuckerman (jewish).  The Village
Voice is owned by Leonard Stern (jewish) the billionaire owner of the
Hartz Mountain pet supply.

III)  A Note on the Purported "free competition" of the print Media

After TV news, daily newspapers are the most influential information
medium in America today. Sixty million of them are sold each day.  They
are divided into some 1500 publications.  

Does this large number of publications indicate there exists substantial
independence and competition within the media industry?  Hardly.

Out of the 1500 only 25% are independently owned, and out of that number
over 100 have circulation over 100,000.  Only a handful are large enough
to maintain independent reporting staffs outside their own communities;
the rest must depend on these few for all of their national and
international news.

In only 50 cities are there more than -one- daily newspaper, and
competition is frequently nominal even among them, as between morning and
afternoon editions under the same ownership.  For example, several cities
including Birmingham, AL., Springfield, Mass., and Syracuse, NY. have
morning and afternoon editions that are both owned by Advance
Publications, a holding company of the Newhouse brothers (jewish).  

IV.  The former top three TV networks ABC, NBC, and CBS and their current
status of ownership

The big three in television network broadcasting used to be ABC, CBS, and
NBC.  With the consolidation of the media empires, these three are no
longer independent entities.  While they -were- independent, however, each
was controlled by a jew since its inception:

1)  ABC:  by Leonard Goldenson (jewish)

a-- executive producers of ABC news programs are all jewish:  Victor S.
Neufeld (20/20), Bob Reichbloom (Good Morning America), and Rick Kaplan
(World News Tonight)

2)  CBS:  first by Willliam Paley (jewish) and then by Laurence Tisch
(jewish)

a-- recently purchased by Westinghouse Electric Corporation.  Nevertheless
the man appointed by Laurence Tisch, Eric Ober (jewish) remains president
of CBS News.

3)  NBC:  first by David Sarnoff and then by his son Robert Sarnoff (both
jewish)

a-- NBC is now owned by General Electric; however, the NBC news president
is Andrew Lack (a jew) as are executive producers Jeff Zucker (Today),
Jeff Gralnick (NBC Nightly News), and Neal Shapiro (Dateline).  

Also, for several decades these networks have been staffed from top to
bottom with jews.

V.  Other:  e.g., the top 3 newsmagazines 

1)  Time magazine  

a)  weekly circulation of 4.1 million.

b)  as mentioned before, Time magazine is part of the media conglomerate
Time Warner which is headed by Gerald Levin (jewish)

2) Newsweek 

a)  weekly circulation of 3.2 million.

b)  owned by Katherine Meyer Graham (jewish)

3) U.S. News and World Report

a)  weekly circulation of 2.3 million

b)  owned by Mortimer Zuckerman (jewish), who is also editor-in-chief of
the magazine

c)  Zuckerman also owns the Atlantic Monthly magazine and as mentioned
before, New York's tabloid newspaper the Daily News which is the 6th
largest paper in the country.

4)  the top publisher of children's books is Western Publishing, with more
than 50% of the market.  Its chairman and CEO is Richard Snyder (jewish)
who just replaced Richard Bernstein (jewish)  

5)   Note of the Newhouse media empire:  founded by the late Samuel
Newhouse, a jewish immigrant from Russia.  Now run by his two son Samuel
and Donald Newhouse. Newhouse owns 26 daily newspaper which include the
top newspapers of Cleveland, Newark, and New Orleans.  Newhouse
Broadcasting consists of 12 television broadcasting stations and 87
cable-TV systems, including some of the largest cable networks; the Sunday
supplement _Parade_, with a circulation of more than 22 million copies per
week; some two dozen major magazines, including the New Yorker, Vogue,
Mademoiselle, Glamour, Vanity Fair, Bride's, GQ, Self, House & Garden, and
all the other magazines of the wholly owned Conde Nast group.


VI.  Gentile media ownership and control

Ted Turner:  amassed a fortune in advertising and built a large and
successful cable-TV news network. Turner made a bid to takeover CBS.  To
block the bid CBS invited billionaire theater, hotel, insurance, and
cigarette magnate Laurence Tisch (jewish) to launch a "friendly" takeover
of the company, and from 1986 till 1995 Tisch was the chairman and CEO of
CBS, removing any threat of non-jewish influence there. Subsequent effort
by Turner to acquire a major network have been obstructed by Levin's Time
Warner, which owns nearly 20 percent of CBS stock and has veto power over
major deals.  Subsequently, jewish newsman Daniel Schorr, who had worked
for Turner, publicly charged that his former boss held a personal dislike
for jews.

Turner employs a number of jews in key executive and managment positions
at CNN. Turner has never take public positions contrary to jewish
interests.  Despite being an innovator and garnering headlines, Turner has
never commanded the wealth and power to be a true media master. 
Furthermore, he has discussed a deal with Time Warner to merge, which
would make Time Warner the number one media conglomerate, and Levin would
become Ted Turner's boss.  Turner may have decided if you can't beat 'em,
join 'em.

Rupert Murdoch:  owns the fourth largest media company, News Corporation,
which owns Fox Television Network and 20th Century Fox Films, both of
which are headed by Peter Chermin (jewish). Murdoch has never take public
positions contrary to jewish interests.  

Even those newspapers still until under Gentile ownership and management
are so thoroughly dependent upon jewish advertising revenue that their
editorial and news reporting policies are largely contrained by jewish
likes and dislikes.  It holds true in the newspaper business as elsewhere
that he who pays the piper calls the tune.

VII.  CONCLUSION:  the control of the opinion-molding media is nearly
monolithic.  All of the controlled media -- television, radio, newspaper,
magazines, books, motion pictures -- speak with a single voice, each
reinforcing each other.  Despite the appearance of variety, there is no
real dissent, no alternative source of facts or ideas accessible to the
great mass of people which might allow them to form opinions at odds with
those of the media masters. They are presented with a single view of the
world -- a world in which -every- voice proclaims the equality of the
races, the inerrant nature of the jewish "holocaust" tale, the immorality
of attempting to halt the hordes of third world immigrants pouring into
America, and the desirability of genocidal race-mixing.  And we have just
seen that the media masters are to a large extent jewish.

The jews dominate the media ownership and control.  Yet how is it that
virtually -noone- discusses this incredible and significant fact.  The
media for some reason never reports mentions this fact.  The fact of media
ownership and control is highly significant fact because those who control
the media wield incredible power to mold the public opinions.  

Would it be too -extreme- to say that the media has effectively
-concealed- this fact? 

Do the media have the power to further orthodoxy to the Holocaust tale? 
Yes.  Are the media masters using their power to further orthodoxy to the
Holocaust tale? Yes.  If revisionism -is- true and the holocaust is
largely false, can this truth ever be given a hearing, much less a -fair-
hearing with the current status of media ownership?  No.  Is it any wonder
why the public does not know of the revisionist position and of the body
of facts in its favor?  No. Is it wonder why the public does not know of
the evidentiary deficiencies of the Holocaust tale? No. Considering the
fact that the media was heavily jewish at the time of WWII as well, along
with the torture, coercion, and obvious one-sidednessness of the WWII
"warcrime trials," as well as the benefit the jews received and receive
>from  the Holocaust tale, is it plausible that an anti-German hoax that
serves jewish interest could have been perpetrated and given wide
publicity and acceptance?  Yes.

Do the same jewish power which conceals from the public the fact of its
overwhelming media dominance also have the power to conceal the truth
about the Holocaust tale as well? 

Yes.

Kurt Stele


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kmcvay@nizkor.org (Ken McVay OBC) wrote:

>In article <4vmu2r$qtc@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, 
>kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele), accused of inventing history, wrote:

>>you obviously are lacking on this occasion with relevant 
>>knowledge about the warcrime trials

>Do educate us, Mr. Stele. Cite volume and page number while
>you're at it, so we can look them up.

>While you're at it, perhaps you can take a few moments to deal
>with a trivial matter you overlooked?

>How many newspaper publishers are there in North America?
>How many are privately held?
>How many of those are held by Jewish investors?
>How many are traded on the exchange?
>How many are held by controlling Jewish investors?

>How many magazine publishers are there in North America?
>How many are privately held?
>How many of those are held by Jewish investors?
>How many are traded on the exchange?
>How many are held by controlling Jewish investors?

>How many cable broadcasters are there in North America?
>How many are privately held?
>How many of those are held by Jewish investors?
>How many are traded on the exchange?
>How many are held by controlling Jewish investors?

>How many radio broadcasters are there in North America?
>How many are privately held?
>How many of those are held by Jewish investors?
>How many are traded on the exchange?
>How many are held by controlling Jewish investors?

>How many television broadcasters are there in North America?
>How many are privately held?
>How many of those are held by Jewish investors?
>How many are traded on the exchange?
>How many are held by controlling Jewish investors?

>I know, I know, it's a tough set of data to deal with, but
>hey, you _are_ the expert here - at least I assume you have
>expertise, since you share your beliefs with us, and those
>beliefs are obviously based upon solid and scrupulous
>research, right?

>I'll give you a hint, Bucky.... the United States and Canadian
>governments have the answers to some of these questions - finding
>the rest, for an obvious scholar like yourself, well, hey,
>that should be easy. 

>I know you're busy... life's like that these days, eh? So I
>will remind you from time to time - your own virtual memory,
>you know?

>-- 
>Nizkor Canada          | http://www.nizkor.org
>-----------------------| Remember John Hron
>                       |--------------------------------------
>     http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/h/hron-john/

1)  WALT DISNEY

a- The largest media conglomerate in the world today 

b- headed by Michael Eisner (jewish)

c- the Walt Disney Picture group is headed by Joe Roth (jewish) and
includes Touchstone Pictures and Caravan Pictures

d- Disney also owns Miramax pictures, which is headed by the Weinstein
brothers (jewish)

e- Disney owns Capital Cities/ABC, whose subsidiary ESPN, is headed by
president and CEO Steven Bornstein (jewish).

2)  TIME WARNER

a- the -second- largest media conglomerate in the world today, behind Walt
Disney

b- headed by CEO Michael Levin (jewish)

c- Time Warner's is the largest in the magazine publisher in the country
and includes Time, Sports Illustrated, People, and Fortune (headed by
Norman Pearlstine -- jewish)

d- Time Warner's subsidiary HBO is the country's largest pay-TV cable
network

e- Time Warner is also the world's largest record company.

3) VIACOM

a)  The third largest media conglomerate

b)  Headed by Sumner Redstone (born Murray Rothstein -- jewish).  Redstone
-actually- owns 76% of Viacom's shares ($3 billion).

c)  Viacom produces films through Paramount pictures which is headed by
Sherry Lansing (jewish)

d)  Produces and distributes TV programs for the three largest networks
and ows 12 television stations and 12 radio stations.

e)  Viacom's publishing division Prentic Hall Simon & Schuster, and Pocket
Books, and distributes videos through over 4,000 Blockbuster Video stores.

f)  Viacom is the world's largest provider of cable programming, most
notably through Showtime, MTV, and Nickelodeon.


NOTE:  The leadership of the top 3 media conglomerates Disney, Time
Warner, and Viacom is jewish.


4)  Most of the television and movie production companies that are not
owned by the largest corporations are also controlled by jews.  New World
Entertainment which is considered the premiere independent TV program
producer in the U.S. is owned by Ronald Perelman (jewish) who also owns
Revlon cosmetics.

5)  The chairman of New World is the former head of entertainment
programming at NBC, Brandon Tartikoff (jewish)

6)  The best known of the smaller media companies is DreamWorks SKG which
formed in 1994 by recording industry mogul David Geffen (jewish), former
Disney Pictures chairman Jeffrey Katzenbgerg (jewish), and film director
Steven Spielberg (jewish). With the cash and connections these three
possess it is likely that DreamWorld may soon be in the same league as the
big three media conglomerates.

7)  Two other large production companies, MCA and Universal Pictures, are
both owned by Seagram Company, Ltd., the liquor giant, whose president and
CEO is Edgar Bronfman. (jewish)  Edgar Bronfman is also president of the
World Jewish Congress.

8)  Films produced by the just the five largest motion picture companies
mentioned above -- Disney, Warner Brothers, Sony, Paramount (Viacom) and
Universal (Seagram) -- accounted for 74 per cent of the total box-office
receipts for 1995.

9)  The number five biggest media company is the Japanese Sony
Corporation, whose U.S. subsidiary, Sony Corporation of America, is run by
Michael Schulhof, a jew.  Alan J. Levin, another jew heads the Sony
Pictures division.

II)  Newspapers

Jews own the nation's 3 most prestigious and influential newspapers:  the
New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, and the Washington Post.  These 3
papers set the trends and guidelines for nearly all others.  They
originate the news; the others merely copy it.  

1)  The New York Times

a-  headed by CEO Arthur Ochs Sulzberger, Jr. (jewish)

b-  Executive editor is Max Frankel (jewish)

c-  Managing editor is Joseph Lelyveld (jewish)

d-  The Sulzberger familly also owns throught the New York Times Co. 33
other newspapers including the Boston Globe, 12 magazines including
McCall's and Family Circle with circulations of more than 5 million each.
7 radio and TV broadcasting companies.  

e-  The New York Times company transmits news stories, features, and
photographs by wire to 506 other newspapers, news agencies, and magazines.

2)  The Washington Post

a-  Headed by Katherine Meyer Graham (jewish).  She is principal
stockholder and chairman of the board of the Washington Post Co.

b-  Her son Donald is The Washington Post's publisher (jewish).

c-  The Washington Post Co, has a number of other media holdings in
newspapers, television, and magazines, most notably the nation's
number-two weekly newsmagazine, Newsweek.

d-  In a joint venture with the New York Times the Post publishes the
International Herald Tribune, the most widely distributed English language
daily in the world

3)  The Wall Street Journal

a-  Owned by the Dow Jones Company, whose chairman and CEO of Dow Jones is
Peter R. Kahn (jewish)

b-  The nation's largest circulation newspaper -- 1.8 million copies each
weekday.

c-  The Dow Jones company also publishes 24 other daily newspapers and the
weekly financial tabloid Barron's, among others.

4)  Other New York papers

a.  In January of 1993 the New York Daily News was bought from the estate
of the late jewish media mogul Robert Maxwell (born Ludvik Hoch -- jewish)
by the real-estate developer Mortimer Zuckerman (jewish).  The Village
Voice is owned by Leonard Stern (jewish) the billionaire owner of the
Hartz Mountain pet supply.

III)  A Note on the Purported "free competition" of the print Media

After TV news, daily newspapers are the most influential information
medium in America today. Sixty million of them are sold each day.  They
are divided into some 1500 publications.  

Does this large number of publications indicate there exists substantial
independence and competition within the media industry?  Hardly.

Out of the 1500 only 25% are independently owned, and out of that number
over 100 have circulation over 100,000.  Only a handful are large enough
to maintain independent reporting staffs outside their own communities;
the rest must depend on these few for all of their national and
international news.

In only 50 cities are there more than -one- daily newspaper, and
competition is frequently nominal even among them, as between morning and
afternoon editions under the same ownership.  For example, several cities
including Birmingham, AL., Springfield, Mass., and Syracuse, NY. have
morning and afternoon editions that are both owned by Advance
Publications, a holding company of the Newhouse brothers (jewish).  

IV.  The former top three TV networks ABC, NBC, and CBS and their current
status of ownership

The big three in television network broadcasting used to be ABC, CBS, and
NBC.  With the consolidation of the media empires, these three are no
longer independent entities.  While they -were- independent, however, each
was controlled by a jew since its inception:

1)  ABC:  by Leonard Goldenson (jewish)

a-- executive producers of ABC news programs are all jewish:  Victor S.
Neufeld (20/20), Bob Reichbloom (Good Morning America), and Rick Kaplan
(World News Tonight)

2)  CBS:  first by Willliam Paley (jewish) and then by Laurence Tisch
(jewish)

a-- recently purchased by Westinghouse Electric Corporation.  Nevertheless
the man appointed by Laurence Tisch, Eric Ober (jewish) remains president
of CBS News.

3)  NBC:  first by David Sarnoff and then by his son Robert Sarnoff (both
jewish)

a-- NBC is now owned by General Electric; however, the NBC news president
is Andrew Lack (a jew) as are executive producers Jeff Zucker (Today),
Jeff Gralnick (NBC Nightly News), and Neal Shapiro (Dateline).  

Also, for several decades these networks have been staffed from top to
bottom with jews.

V.  Other:  e.g., the top 3 newsmagazines 

1)  Time magazine  

a)  weekly circulation of 4.1 million.

b)  as mentioned before, Time magazine is part of the media conglomerate
Time Warner which is headed by Gerald Levin (jewish)

2) Newsweek 

a)  weekly circulation of 3.2 million.

b)  owned by Katherine Meyer Graham (jewish)

3) U.S. News and World Report

a)  weekly circulation of 2.3 million

b)  owned by Mortimer Zuckerman (jewish), who is also editor-in-chief of
the magazine

c)  Zuckerman also owns the Atlantic Monthly magazine and as mentioned
before, New York's tabloid newspaper the Daily News which is the 6th
largest paper in the country.

4)  the top publisher of children's books is Western Publishing, with more
than 50% of the market.  Its chairman and CEO is Richard Snyder (jewish)
who just replaced Richard Bernstein (jewish)  

5)   Note of the Newhouse media empire:  founded by the late Samuel
Newhouse, a jewish immigrant from Russia.  Now run by his two son Samuel
and Donald Newhouse. Newhouse owns 26 daily newspaper which include the
top newspapers of Cleveland, Newark, and New Orleans.  Newhouse
Broadcasting consists of 12 television broadcasting stations and 87
cable-TV systems, including some of the largest cable networks; the Sunday
supplement _Parade_, with a circulation of more than 22 million copies per
week; some two dozen major magazines, including the New Yorker, Vogue,
Mademoiselle, Glamour, Vanity Fair, Bride's, GQ, Self, House & Garden, and
all the other magazines of the wholly owned Conde Nast group.


VI.  Gentile media ownership and control

Ted Turner:  amassed a fortune in advertising and built a large and
successful cable-TV news network. Turner made a bid to takeover CBS.  To
block the bid CBS invited billionaire theater, hotel, insurance, and
cigarette magnate Laurence Tisch (jewish) to launch a "friendly" takeover
of the company, and from 1986 till 1995 Tisch was the chairman and CEO of
CBS, removing any threat of non-jewish influence there. Subsequent effort
by Turner to acquire a major network have been obstructed by Levin's Time
Warner, which owns nearly 20 percent of CBS stock and has veto power over
major deals.  Subsequently, jewish newsman Daniel Schorr, who had worked
for Turner, publicly charged that his former boss held a personal dislike
for jews.

Turner employs a number of jews in key executive and managment positions
at CNN. Turner has never take public positions contrary to jewish
interests.  Despite being an innovator and garnering headlines, Turner has
never commanded the wealth and power to be a true media master. 
Furthermore, he has discussed a deal with Time Warner to merge, which
would make Time Warner the number one media conglomerate, and Levin would
become Ted Turner's boss.  Turner may have decided if you can't beat 'em,
join 'em.

Rupert Murdoch:  owns the fourth largest media company, News Corporation,
which owns Fox Television Network and 20th Century Fox Films, both of
which are headed by Peter Chermin (jewish). Murdoch has never take public
positions contrary to jewish interests.  

Even those newspapers still until under Gentile ownership and management
are so thoroughly dependent upon jewish advertising revenue that their
editorial and news reporting policies are largely contrained by jewish
likes and dislikes.  It holds true in the newspaper business as elsewhere
that he who pays the piper calls the tune.

VII.  CONCLUSION:  the control of the opinion-molding media is nearly
monolithic.  All of the controlled media -- television, radio, newspaper,
magazines, books, motion pictures -- speak with a single voice, each
reinforcing each other.  Despite the appearance of variety, there is no
real dissent, no alternative source of facts or ideas accessible to the
great mass of people which might allow them to form opinions at odds with
those of the media masters. They are presented with a single view of the
world -- a world in which -every- voice proclaims the equality of the
races, the inerrant nature of the jewish "holocaust" tale, the immorality
of attempting to halt the hordes of third world immigrants pouring into
America, and the desirability of genocidal race-mixing.  And we have just
seen that the media masters are to a large extent jewish.

The jews dominate the media ownership and control.  Yet how is it that
virtually -noone- discusses this incredible and significant fact.  The
media for some reason never reports mentions this fact.  The fact of media
ownership and control is highly significant fact because those who control
the media wield incredible power to mold the public opinions.  

Would it be too -extreme- to say that the media has effectively
-concealed- this fact? 

Do the media have the power to further orthodoxy to the Holocaust tale? 
Yes.  Are the media masters using their power to further orthodoxy to the
Holocaust tale? Yes.  If revisionism -is- true and the holocaust is
largely false, can this truth ever be given a hearing, much less a -fair-
hearing with the current status of media ownership?  No.  Is it any wonder
why the public does not know of the revisionist position and of the body
of facts in its favor?  No. Is it wonder why the public does not know of
the evidentiary deficiencies of the Holocaust tale? No. Considering the
fact that the media was heavily jewish at the time of WWII as well, along
with the torture, coercion, and obvious one-sidednessness of the WWII
"warcrime trials," as well as the benefit the jews received and receive
>from  the Holocaust tale, is it plausible that an anti-German hoax that
serves jewish interest could have been perpetrated and given wide
publicity and acceptance?  Yes.

Do the same jewish power which conceals from the public the fact of its
overwhelming media dominance also have the power to conceal the truth
about the Holocaust tale as well? 

Yes.

Kurt Stele


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From:	kmcvay@nizkor.org (Ken McVay OBC)
Date:	23 Aug 1996 12:57:37 -0700

In article <4vg7fn$gcl@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, 
kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele) wrote:

>now come on Sara, stop being coy. You know very well the jews dominate
and
>run the media.  Don't make me list all those jewish media bosses and
>expose this dirty little secret.

How many newspapers are there in North America?
How many are privately held?
How many of the private owners are Jewish?
How many are publicly traded?
How many of these are controlled by Jewish investors?


How many magazine publishers are there in North America?
How many are privately held?
How many of the private owners are Jewish?
How many are publicly traded?
How many of these are controlled by Jewish investors?

How many radio broadcasting companies are there in North America?
How many are privately held?
How many of the private owners are Jewish?
How many are publicly traded?
How many of these are controlled by Jewish investors?

How many television broadcasters are there in North America?
How many are privately held?
How many of the private owners are Jewish?
How many are publicly traded?
How many of these are controlled by Jewish investors?

How many cable networks are there in North America?
How many are privately held?
How many of the private owners are Jewish?
How many are publicly traded?
How many of these are controlled by Jewish investors?

I keep asking, but Mr. Stele apparently hasn't had quite
enough time yet to complete his research.....

Perhaps he needs to be reminded from time to time...

-- 
Nizkor Canada          | http://www.nizkor.org
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1)  WALT DISNEY

a- The largest media conglomerate in the world today 

b- headed by Michael Eisner (jewish)

c- the Walt Disney Picture group is headed by Joe Roth (jewish) and
includes Touchstone Pictures and Caravan Pictures

d- Disney also owns Miramax pictures, which is headed by the Weinstein
brothers (jewish)

e- Disney owns Capital Cities/ABC, whose subsidiary ESPN, is headed by
president and CEO Steven Bornstein (jewish).

2)  TIME WARNER

a- the -second- largest media conglomerate in the world today, behind Walt
Disney

b- headed by CEO Michael Levin (jewish)

c- Time Warner's is the largest in the magazine publisher in the country
and includes Time, Sports Illustrated, People, and Fortune (headed by
Norman Pearlstine -- jewish)

d- Time Warner's subsidiary HBO is the country's largest pay-TV cable
network

e- Time Warner is also the world's largest record company.

3) VIACOM

a)  The third largest media conglomerate

b)  Headed by Sumner Redstone (born Murray Rothstein -- jewish).  Redstone
-actually- owns 76% of Viacom's shares ($3 billion).

c)  Viacom produces films through Paramount pictures which is headed by
Sherry Lansing (jewish)

d)  Produces and distributes TV programs for the three largest networks
and ows 12 television stations and 12 radio stations.

e)  Viacom's publishing division Prentic Hall Simon & Schuster, and Pocket
Books, and distributes videos through over 4,000 Blockbuster Video stores.

f)  Viacom is the world's largest provider of cable programming, most
notably through Showtime, MTV, and Nickelodeon.


NOTE:  The leadership of the top 3 media conglomerates Disney, Time
Warner, and Viacom is jewish.


4)  Most of the television and movie production companies that are not
owned by the largest corporations are also controlled by jews.  New World
Entertainment which is considered the premiere independent TV program
producer in the U.S. is owned by Ronald Perelman (jewish) who also owns
Revlon cosmetics.

5)  The chairman of New World is the former head of entertainment
programming at NBC, Brandon Tartikoff (jewish)

6)  The best known of the smaller media companies is DreamWorks SKG which
formed in 1994 by recording industry mogul David Geffen (jewish), former
Disney Pictures chairman Jeffrey Katzenbgerg (jewish), and film director
Steven Spielberg (jewish). With the cash and connections these three
possess it is likely that DreamWorld may soon be in the same league as the
big three media conglomerates.

7)  Two other large production companies, MCA and Universal Pictures, are
both owned by Seagram Company, Ltd., the liquor giant, whose president and
CEO is Edgar Bronfman. (jewish)  Edgar Bronfman is also president of the
World Jewish Congress.

8)  Films produced by the just the five largest motion picture companies
mentioned above -- Disney, Warner Brothers, Sony, Paramount (Viacom) and
Universal (Seagram) -- accounted for 74 per cent of the total box-office
receipts for 1995.

9)  The number five biggest media company is the Japanese Sony
Corporation, whose U.S. subsidiary, Sony Corporation of America, is run by
Michael Schulhof, a jew.  Alan J. Levin, another jew heads the Sony
Pictures division.

II)  Newspapers

Jews own the nation's 3 most prestigious and influential newspapers:  the
New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, and the Washington Post.  These 3
papers set the trends and guidelines for nearly all others.  They
originate the news; the others merely copy it.  

1)  The New York Times

a-  headed by CEO Arthur Ochs Sulzberger, Jr. (jewish)

b-  Executive editor is Max Frankel (jewish)

c-  Managing editor is Joseph Lelyveld (jewish)

d-  The Sulzberger familly also owns throught the New York Times Co. 33
other newspapers including the Boston Globe, 12 magazines including
McCall's and Family Circle with circulations of more than 5 million each.
7 radio and TV broadcasting companies.  

e-  The New York Times company transmits news stories, features, and
photographs by wire to 506 other newspapers, news agencies, and magazines.

2)  The Washington Post

a-  Headed by Katherine Meyer Graham (jewish).  She is principal
stockholder and chairman of the board of the Washington Post Co.

b-  Her son Donald is The Washington Post's publisher (jewish).

c-  The Washington Post Co, has a number of other media holdings in
newspapers, television, and magazines, most notably the nation's
number-two weekly newsmagazine, Newsweek.

d-  In a joint venture with the New York Times the Post publishes the
International Herald Tribune, the most widely distributed English language
daily in the world

3)  The Wall Street Journal

a-  Owned by the Dow Jones Company, whose chairman and CEO of Dow Jones is
Peter R. Kahn (jewish)

b-  The nation's largest circulation newspaper -- 1.8 million copies each
weekday.

c-  The Dow Jones company also publishes 24 other daily newspapers and the
weekly financial tabloid Barron's, among others.

4)  Other New York papers

a.  In January of 1993 the New York Daily News was bought from the estate
of the late jewish media mogul Robert Maxwell (born Ludvik Hoch -- jewish)
by the real-estate developer Mortimer Zuckerman (jewish).  The Village
Voice is owned by Leonard Stern (jewish) the billionaire owner of the
Hartz Mountain pet supply.

III)  A Note on the Purported "free competition" of the print Media

After TV news, daily newspapers are the most influential information
medium in America today. Sixty million of them are sold each day.  They
are divided into some 1500 publications.  

Does this large number of publications indicate there exists substantial
independence and competition within the media industry?  Hardly.

Out of the 1500 only 25% are independently owned, and out of that number
over 100 have circulation over 100,000.  Only a handful are large enough
to maintain independent reporting staffs outside their own communities;
the rest must depend on these few for all of their national and
international news.

In only 50 cities are there more than -one- daily newspaper, and
competition is frequently nominal even among them, as between morning and
afternoon editions under the same ownership.  For example, several cities
including Birmingham, AL., Springfield, Mass., and Syracuse, NY. have
morning and afternoon editions that are both owned by Advance
Publications, a holding company of the Newhouse brothers (jewish).  

IV.  The former top three TV networks ABC, NBC, and CBS and their current
status of ownership

The big three in television network broadcasting used to be ABC, CBS, and
NBC.  With the consolidation of the media empires, these three are no
longer independent entities.  While they -were- independent, however, each
was controlled by a jew since its inception:

1)  ABC:  by Leonard Goldenson (jewish)

a-- executive producers of ABC news programs are all jewish:  Victor S.
Neufeld (20/20), Bob Reichbloom (Good Morning America), and Rick Kaplan
(World News Tonight)

2)  CBS:  first by Willliam Paley (jewish) and then by Laurence Tisch
(jewish)

a-- recently purchased by Westinghouse Electric Corporation.  Nevertheless
the man appointed by Laurence Tisch, Eric Ober (jewish) remains president
of CBS News.

3)  NBC:  first by David Sarnoff and then by his son Robert Sarnoff (both
jewish)

a-- NBC is now owned by General Electric; however, the NBC news president
is Andrew Lack (a jew) as are executive producers Jeff Zucker (Today),
Jeff Gralnick (NBC Nightly News), and Neal Shapiro (Dateline).  

Also, for several decades these networks have been staffed from top to
bottom with jews.

V.  Other:  e.g., the top 3 newsmagazines 

1)  Time magazine  

a)  weekly circulation of 4.1 million.

b)  as mentioned before, Time magazine is part of the media conglomerate
Time Warner which is headed by Gerald Levin (jewish)

2) Newsweek 

a)  weekly circulation of 3.2 million.

b)  owned by Katherine Meyer Graham (jewish)

3) U.S. News and World Report

a)  weekly circulation of 2.3 million

b)  owned by Mortimer Zuckerman (jewish), who is also editor-in-chief of
the magazine

c)  Zuckerman also owns the Atlantic Monthly magazine and as mentioned
before, New York's tabloid newspaper the Daily News which is the 6th
largest paper in the country.

4)  the top publisher of children's books is Western Publishing, with more
than 50% of the market.  Its chairman and CEO is Richard Snyder (jewish)
who just replaced Richard Bernstein (jewish)  

5)   Note of the Newhouse media empire:  founded by the late Samuel
Newhouse, a jewish immigrant from Russia.  Now run by his two son Samuel
and Donald Newhouse. Newhouse owns 26 daily newspaper which include the
top newspapers of Cleveland, Newark, and New Orleans.  Newhouse
Broadcasting consists of 12 television broadcasting stations and 87
cable-TV systems, including some of the largest cable networks; the Sunday
supplement _Parade_, with a circulation of more than 22 million copies per
week; some two dozen major magazines, including the New Yorker, Vogue,
Mademoiselle, Glamour, Vanity Fair, Bride's, GQ, Self, House & Garden, and
all the other magazines of the wholly owned Conde Nast group.


VI.  Gentile media ownership and control

Ted Turner:  amassed a fortune in advertising and built a large and
successful cable-TV news network. Turner made a bid to takeover CBS.  To
block the bid CBS invited billionaire theater, hotel, insurance, and
cigarette magnate Laurence Tisch (jewish) to launch a "friendly" takeover
of the company, and from 1986 till 1995 Tisch was the chairman and CEO of
CBS, removing any threat of non-jewish influence there. Subsequent effort
by Turner to acquire a major network have been obstructed by Levin's Time
Warner, which owns nearly 20 percent of CBS stock and has veto power over
major deals.  Subsequently, jewish newsman Daniel Schorr, who had worked
for Turner, publicly charged that his former boss held a personal dislike
for jews.

Turner employs a number of jews in key executive and managment positions
at CNN. Turner has never take public positions contrary to jewish
interests.  Despite being an innovator and garnering headlines, Turner has
never commanded the wealth and power to be a true media master. 
Furthermore, he has discussed a deal with Time Warner to merge, which
would make Time Warner the number one media conglomerate, and Levin would
become Ted Turner's boss.  Turner may have decided if you can't beat 'em,
join 'em.

Rupert Murdoch:  owns the fourth largest media company, News Corporation,
which owns Fox Television Network and 20th Century Fox Films, both of
which are headed by Peter Chermin (jewish). Murdoch has never take public
positions contrary to jewish interests.  

Even those newspapers still until under Gentile ownership and management
are so thoroughly dependent upon jewish advertising revenue that their
editorial and news reporting policies are largely contrained by jewish
likes and dislikes.  It holds true in the newspaper business as elsewhere
that he who pays the piper calls the tune.

VII.  CONCLUSION:  the control of the opinion-molding media is nearly
monolithic.  All of the controlled media -- television, radio, newspaper,
magazines, books, motion pictures -- speak with a single voice, each
reinforcing each other.  Despite the appearance of variety, there is no
real dissent, no alternative source of facts or ideas accessible to the
great mass of people which might allow them to form opinions at odds with
those of the media masters. They are presented with a single view of the
world -- a world in which -every- voice proclaims the equality of the
races, the inerrant nature of the jewish "holocaust" tale, the immorality
of attempting to halt the hordes of third world immigrants pouring into
America, and the desirability of genocidal race-mixing.  And we have just
seen that the media masters are to a large extent jewish.

The jews dominate the media ownership and control.  Yet how is it that
virtually -noone- discusses this incredible and significant fact.  The
media for some reason never reports mentions this fact.  The fact of media
ownership and control is highly significant fact because those who control
the media wield incredible power to mold the public opinions.  

Would it be too -extreme- to say that the media has effectively
-concealed- this fact? 

Do the media have the power to further orthodoxy to the Holocaust tale? 
Yes.  Are the media masters using their power to further orthodoxy to the
Holocaust tale? Yes.  If revisionism -is- true and the holocaust is
largely false, can this truth ever be given a hearing, much less a -fair-
hearing with the current status of media ownership?  No.  Is it any wonder
why the public does not know of the revisionist position and of the body
of facts in its favor?  No. Is it wonder why the public does not know of
the evidentiary deficiencies of the Holocaust tale? No. Considering the
fact that the media was heavily jewish at the time of WWII as well, along
with the torture, coercion, and obvious one-sidednessness of the WWII
"warcrime trials," as well as the benefit the jews received and receive
>from  the Holocaust tale, is it plausible that an anti-German hoax that
serves jewish interest could have been perpetrated and given wide
publicity and acceptance?  Yes.

Do the same jewish power which conceals from the public the fact of its
overwhelming media dominance also have the power to conceal the truth
about the Holocaust tale as well? 

Yes.

Kurt Stele


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kate@accessone.com (Kathleen Mulhern) wrote:

>In article <4vn4qb$n7c@sjx-ixn5.ix.netcom.com>,
>joebuck@ix.netcom.com(Charles) wrote:

>> In <4vn1ve$i72@lendl.cc.emory.edu> libwca@larry.cc.emory.edu (william c
>> anderson) writes: 

>> >"The Holocaust was the state-sponsored, systematic persecution and 
>> >annihilation of European Jewry by Nazi Germany and its collaborators 
>> >between 1933 and 1945. Jews were the primary victims  --- six million 
>> >were murdered; Gypsies, the handicapped, and Poles were also targeted 
>> >for destruction or decimation  for racial, ethnic, or national
>> >reasons. 
>> >Millions more, including homosexuals, Jehovah's Witnesses, Soviet 
>> >prisoners of war, and political dissidents also suffered grievous
>> >oppression and death under Nazi tyranny."
>> >
>> >Not from a footnote, Matt--from the body of the mission statement.
>> >
>> >Bill
>> 
>>   Frankly, methinks you've actually -- entirely inadvertently -- gone a
>> long way towards buttressing Mr. Giwer's claim that the 6+ million
>> Gentiles killed in the Nazi Holocaust are treated essentially as a
>> "footnote" by the US-taxpayer-built-and-funded Holocaust Museum in
>> Washington, D.C.
>>   I suspect Mr. Giwer is delighted!

>The mission statement is entirely, historically accurate.  Most victims
of
>the Holocaust WERE Jews.  The others killed are not treated and are in no
>way considered a "foot note."  If you would visit the museum, you'd
>understand that.

even if the Holocaust tale -was- true how many groups are granted a museum
for -their- people's deaths?  How many groups have monuments or museums
funded using millions of dollars in taxpayer money every years?  

Answer:  nobody else but the jews.  

Millions of Russians died in WWII. What monuments do they get?  none.

When did we ever get to -vote- on spending money on multi-million dollar
Holohoax Museums?

When this point is brought they say "well, the jews were the only ones
targetted for their race."  As if that is any different than being
targetted for one's ideology or religion.  That isn't a compelling
argument.  If so then Palestinian children should be given a monument for
have been exterminated by Israelis, and put in concentration camps on the
West bank.  

I smell special treatment.  That jewish control of the media stuff is
starting to make more and more sense all the time.  It sure explains a
lot.

Kurt Stele



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Chuck Ferree  wrote:

>kurt's fantasy could have happened, but of course we all know it 
>didn't happen that way. The Germans did machine-gun thousands, 
>including American POWs, but we got even with them for that little 
>atrocity. I agree, get your mommie to read a book to you. 

Chuck, you're blowing it for your fellow huggers.  If the Germans -did-
machine-gun thousands, then they were obviously capable of machine-gunning
without becoming incapacitated by "stress" or "oversensitivity", and
obviously 
the holohugger claim that guns were abandoned for gas due to stress is
hokum.

Not that we couldn't already see that one on its face. But you helped out.

>> >kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele) writes:
>> 
>> Mass shooting takes -more- soldiers than gassing? You ever heard of a
>> "machine gun" Keren? Firing hundreds (thousands) of rounds a minute? 
With
>> just -one- gunner?

>The Germans certainly were smart enough to use machine-guns, but they 
>made some stupid decisions, one of which was to use slave labor to 
>build over one thousand concentration camps, all of which required 
>thousands of guards and gas millions to death, because they thought, 
>right or wrong this was more efficient, and less expensive. 

>Gee now that I look back on the war, maybe we shoulda won the sucker
sooner. 
>Up against a bunch of dumb-shits. 

yet the nazis were at the same times geniuses in their ability to accept
secret extermination orders by telepathy and to hide tons of ashes of dead
jews. Go figure

>But, on the other hand, playing with 
>the good Luftwaffe pilots, and strafing the shit out of their troops 
>and like that was a kick in the pants. Loved it.

atta boy, Chuck.  Makin' America safe for jewish money-power. 

Kurt Stele


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dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele) writes:

># gee, with a single mounted machine gun and a few guards 
># there wouldn't much of a chance of somebody "tearing 
># you apart".

>No. But that was my point. You do need guards. Otherwise
>the people may start running. In the gas chambers, they
>can not run anywhere.

>And, with gas, you save ammunition, which you want to
>save during a war. But keep ignoring that point. That's
>ok. You're a "revisionist scholar" after all.

not when you figure in the cost of transporting, building, tagging,
feeding, housing, maintaining, guarding, not to mention delousing. Bullets
are pennies. If the nazis were supposedly trying to "exterminate" jews
they could have easily shot them nearby. No need to fear unarmed people
"tearing their throats out." No need for the cockamaimee rigmarole. Quick.
Simple. Efficient. Also, had they done that -millions- of "holocaust
survivors" wouldn't be walking around collecting guilt-shekels off
everyone for the nazis' obvious mercy. Obviously the nazis weren't trying
to exterminate them

># not a problem. The kill ratio would still be tremendously 
># high, the surivors being only a fractional percentage.

>That is bullcrap. Odd coincidence - I just saw on the 
>A&E "American Justice" series a documentary about the
>Philadelphia mob (some of you out there must have also
>seen it). The movie concentrated on the hit men. It is
>amazing how many of the would-be victims survived after
>being shot at close range. If you're firing into a
>crowd, even more would survive. 

The Cambodians killed millions this way, as did the Russians. When the
Soviets murdered the Polish officers in the Katyn Woods they didn't put
them into a gas chamber. They lined they up and shot them. Same with
everyone else. No problems whatsoever.  No method of purported
extermination has ever shipped people hundreds of miles to kill them with
-- of all things -- "Raid."  

># what gas chamber had 2,000 people?  

>The ones in Kremas II & III in Birkenau.

yeah, that's why all the millions of ashes are nowhere to be found.
Millions of tons of ashes vanish without a trace:  gee, how mysterious.
Next you will tell us the nazis then shipped the ashes in secret trains
somewhere, then give us some "eyewitness testimony" on it, then produce a
come-lately tape of Himmler explicitly saying "ship the ashes."  Sometimes
you guys are just too obvious. I know it's easy for to fool the goyim but
you're slacking off a bit here. Use a little more effort in your stories
at least

>For a summary of the "revisionist" position, look at what
>Nazi propagandist and "revisionist", Kurt Stele, wrote:

> From:         kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele)
> Message-Id:   <4ut4ht$p8i@newsbf02.news.aol.com>

># The Holocaust is a funny thing..
># When you hear about it, you wish it never happened..
># When you discover it's a hoax ya kind of wish it did!
># Kurt Stele

hey - there are my words again.  Thanks Keren.  Oops, but Keren forgot the
rest though:

I was trying to make the point that you jews and your ongoing efforts to
suppress, harrass and criminalize revisionists and to prosecute
"thoughtcrimes" are causing people to resent you. 

When people wake up to the fact that the jews have been shamelessly lying
to them, they will -resent- the jews for doing so.

This is the same sort of jewish lying and chicanery which has caused
resentful backlashes against jew throughout history before. 

And no wonder.

You people are hypocrites of the highest order. 

You jews complain about how badly you were mistreated by the nazis (even
though it's a lie) yet you brutalize Palestinians on a continual basis.

You jews pontificate and condemn how repressive and dictatorial the nazis
supposedly were 

yet you harrass, prosecute and imprison people for "thoughtcrimes."

you claim the nazis divested you of your possessions and wealth

yet you and shamelessly parasitically have extorted billions in "guilt"
marks from the German government, along with countless millions in US
taxpayer dollars for Holocaust and Israel upkeep -- all which directly or
indirectly comes from your alleged "victim" status.

In your chauvanism you claim to be morally superior to the rest of the
world

yet you perpetrate the very crimes you project on to other peoples

In other words, -you- people are the -real- nazis of contemporary fiction

because the nazi of legend was itself a creation of the jewish soul

and a projection of the jew himself.

Hypocrite.  Holonazi.

The longer and harder you continue to enforce this Lie the harder it will
die in the end. 

When the Lie finally falls the people will be looking for answers from
their deceivers...

which is why jewish holohuggers are working at breakneck speed to outlaw
free speech on the internet and elsewhere, by calling it "hate." 

Yet all your efforts will come to naught because Truth inevitably outs.

But I realize you will continue to push your Lie even -harder- because you
cannot help yourselves 

and are doing merely what comes naturally.
 
The Holohugger and the truth-seeker have irreconcilable differences.

Kurt Stele

"Those Jews who still want to be the chosen race can go to Palestine and
stew in their own juice.  The rest had better stop being Jews and start
being human beings."  
George Bernard Shaw (_Literary Digest_, October 12, 1932)



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rchason@smart.net (Lee Jackson Beauregard) wrote:

>qut@netcom.com (Skipp OBC) wrote:

>>So whites are ignorant slaves, what else is new?

>Slaves to whom?  Hell, right or wrong we run this country.

the fact that there are Whites in high places does not mean they have any
racial loyalty. A safe rule of thumb:  if a White is in a high place
chances you can be pretty sure he got there because he agreed with the
politically-correct power structure, or at least does not oppose it 

>This is yet another groundless claim, filled with an emotional wallop but
>completely devoid of substance.

if involuntarily paying a tax burden of over $10 billion a year to Israel
is not slavery what is?

Kurt Stele


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Marty Kelley  wrote:

>On 24 Aug 1996, Kurt Stele wrote:

>> Holohuggers claim nazis -had- to resort to gas instead of the obviously
>> simpler and convenient means of shooting because "the jews would 'rip
>> their throats' out" or in the alternative that "the jews would run
away"
>> if the nazis didn't disguise what they were doing. (?)  

>Really? I hadn't seen those claims. The most common explanation that I've
>seen is that the Nazis switched from mass shootings to gassings as part
of
>a gradual evolution of killing methods, and that the change was made
>largely for the sake of efficiency: they shipped the "undesirable"
>populations to camps where adults capable of slave labor could be
selected
>out, and the rest gassed and their bodies disposed of.  However, the
Nazis
>_did_ execute some 1 million people by shooting in the Einsatzgruppen
>actions, as you have been repeatedly told.  The operations were often
>disorganized, and carried out by hastily-trained reserve policement (see
>Browning's _Ordinary Men_ and Goldhagen's _Hitler's Willing Executioners_
>for documentation of these actions).

>> Yet in 1994 the
>> Hutus in Rwanda killed over half a million Tutsis in just three months
>> using machetes, i.e., chasing down the Tutsis on foot. For the nazis to
>> use -machine guns- would certainly have been far easier.

>So you're arguing that since one series of massacres took place using
>machetes, then the Holocaust didn't happen, or couldn't have?  Weird
>logic.  One might just as well argue that there was no genocide in Rwanda
>since the very idea of killing hundreds of thousands without guns is
>absurd.  

>[testimony on atrocities in Rwanda snipped]

>What's this, Mr. Stele?  You're accepting eyewitness accounts of
massacres
>in Rwanda, even though you categorically reject all eywitness accounts of
>the Holocaust?  You _do_ see the contradiction here, don't you?

>Oh...I guess you don't.

Rwanda and the Holocaust distinguished.  

1)  The Germans write everything down.  The Hutus don't.

1)  In Rwanda the bodies are accounted for, i.e. no "missing ashes."

2)  You are permitted to doubt Rwanda.

Kurt Stele



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angus.mclellan@almac.co.uk (ANGUS MCLELLAN) wrote:

>In article <4vd69f$8jg@newsbf02.news.aol.com>
>kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele) writes
>>joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) wrote:

>>>In article <4vaqbb$907@newsbf02.news.aol.com> kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt
>>>Stele) writes:

>>I just wished he'd -stay- in the area of religion, instead of venturing
>>forth into science and history.

>This from a person whose knowledge of history is less than flawless. 
>Once you have explained or retracted your previous incorrect assertions 
>on matters of history (i.e. the Two-Front War, Beria's Jewishness, 
>what the organisation Yagoda headed was actually called - OGPU/GUGB not 
>NKVD, etc), then, and only then, we might start to laugh at your lack 
>of knowledge of science.

As far as the necessity of preserving manpower in a two-front war instead
of using it on cockamaimee gas chamber/transportation schemes, the point
still stands. 

As far as Beria's jewishness, some claim he was jewish alongside his
Mingrellian Nationality.  Pavel Sudoplatov in his _Special Tasks_ writes
that Beria was the jews' key man in negotiating an autonomous jewish
republic in the Crimea. (p. 287 - 288). Beria arranged the jew Mikhoel's
trips to America. Beria was tight with the jewish clique of the Kremlin.
(p. 288)  Stalin suspected Beria's jewishness and Beria was on Stalin's
shitlist of jewish conspirators (p. 306). At the very least the jury is
still out on the matter of Beria's jewishness. 

As far as the jewish thug Yagoda being in the NKVD, Yagoda was made the
-head- of the NKVD in 1934.

duh.

Kurt Stele


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rchason@smart.net (Lee Jackson Beauregard) wrote:

>qut@netcom.com (Skipp OBC) wrote:

>>So whites are ignorant slaves, what else is new?

>Slaves to whom?  Hell, right or wrong we run this country.

the fact that there are Whites in high places does not mean they have any
racial loyalty. A safe rule of thumb:  if a White is in a high place
chances you can be pretty sure he got there because he agreed with the
politically-correct power structure, or at least does not oppose it 

>This is yet another groundless claim, filled with an emotional wallop but
>completely devoid of substance.

if involuntarily paying a tax burden of over $10 billion a year to Israel
is not slavery what is?

Kurt Stele


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scotterb@maine.maine.edu (Scott Erb) wrote:

>>> I strongly disagree, this is my main objection to the 'holocaust'
>>> industry,

>Industry?  Please define your terms please, that's a weird expression.

he means the same thing as any other kind of industry involving a target
group (the goy) and a profit (used for even more Shoah business)

>>> it seeks to elevate the fate of the jews in the
>>> concentration camps above all others who died there. I repeat the
>>> murder is murder, the deaths of the poles, russians, homosexuals,
>>> socialists and others was just as bad as the deaths of the jews.

>The Jews are focused upon because anti-semitism was a fundamental aspect
of 
>the Nazi regime, and the primary focus of the mass murder was to
eliminate 
>Jews.  This doesn't mean that the deaths of homosexuals, socialists, 
>pacifists and gypsies are less a tragedy.  But the Nazi regime was based
on 
>racism, and this shows very clearly where racism leads.  

yet one is never permitted to criticize jewish racism or even permitted to
say it exists without being slandered with a charge of "anti-semite" or
"neo-nazi."  Jews are allowed to be racists, Whites not

>Also, given the  history of anti-semitism in Europe, the holocaust shows
clearly >how dangerous  and evil such an ideology is.  However, you are
right to some >extent: the  holocaust can also show how dangerous
gay-bashing, Communist-bashing, >and gypsie-bashing can be.  That probably
should be stressed more than it is.

but of course it isn't.  And the purpose and effect is obviously to
elevate the allegedly tragedy of jews above all other people's.  This is a
blatant form of racism in itself, considering noone else is afforded such
a privileged status.  Certainly not the 20 millions Kulaks who died in
Russia, who are hardly ever mentioned 

>>> YES IT IS. By seeking to portray the deaths of the jews in the
>>> concentration camps as being 'the one and only ultimate crime of
>>> history' it allows current examples of the same thing to appear
>>> nowhere near as wrong.

>I have nowhere seen the crime as being portrayed as the one and only
ultimate 
>crime of history, as you put it.

you don't think so?  really?  Which "crime" gets all the publicity?  Which
crime has films continually made about it?  Which "crime" is given
priority in mention over all others?  And which "crime" is so sacred that
in Germany if you so much as express doubt about it you can be imprisoned
for up to -five- years, whether or not you are a citizen of Germany? 
Which one is there a taboo against questioning it?  

>Please provide a cite for your rather strange claim.

"rather strange claim" he says. Why don't you find out for yourself. 
Travel to Germany and start passing a revisionist leaflet and see where it
gets you. Or begin expressing the revisionist opinion in conversations
with people and see if you don't end up being called "anti-semitic." 

Then compare that response with another experiment:  begin discussing 20
million murdered Russia Kulaks and say emphatically "I doubt that 20
million died.  I believe that only 300 people died" and see if anyone
gives a shit or even pays attention

>>> But I thought the whole point of the 'holocaust' industry was to keep
>>> the fate of the millions who died in the concentration camps always in
>>> our minds, so we would speak out when similar things happened
>>> elsewhere.

>Again, your use of the word "industry" is rather queer.  Please define
the 
>term and explain your use.

"Industry:  2)  any general business field."  It's a business, among other
things. Do you understand? And the profit-goal is to extract more
guilt-shekels out of our pockets for more propaganda. You could even call
a reinvesting business

>Second, most people who condemn the holocaust are also speaking out on
the 
>Rwanda issue (such as Elie Wiesel).  The fact that the world doesn't
listen 
>only shows how much more we should listen to those who remind us of the 
>holocaust.

Elie Wiesel is still being self-serving and self-righteous. I'd like to
see Elie Wiesel denounce the holocaust of Palestinians if he's so against
mass-killings. He's a hypocrite in addition to being a bold-faced liar. 

>>> Do'nt forget : the winners are always right and Jews where this time
>>> close to the winning Allies - closer than Russians, Poles, gipsies, 
>>> Palestinians, etc.

>The Russians won the war, I believe.  Again, the Jewish deaths are
remembered 
>because of the role of anti-semitism in Nazi ideology, and how this was a

>systematic attempt to exterminate a culture/people in Europe.  It shows
just 
>how a warped ideology can lead humans to bizarre and unbelievable acts of

>barbarity.  To remember that does not minimize the deaths of others.

you can remember it all you want. You can go to sleep with a t-shirt on
saying "the six million remembered" every night. You can start a holohoax
cult if you'd like. That's not the problem.  

The problem is an international guilt/extortion industry build on lies and
exagerations deliberately aimed at destroying the self-image and pride of
the German people and Europe at large.  The real significance of the
holocaust is as a moral truncheon to bludgeon Whites whenever Whites try
to defend their homelands from being flooded with non-whites. "That's what
Hitler wanted to do" the jews crow. That's the -real- power of the
Holocaust Lie: to invalidate White nationalism for all time, and to change
the racial demographics of White homelands from White to non-White by
invalidating the normal, natural White aversion to non-white invasion as
"the beginnings of Nazism."  After the Holocaust, now no White can morally
justify a desire to keep America White.  

And while the holohoaxer High Rabbis point their fingers at the absurd and
fictive horrors of the Holocaust, jewish nationalism (Zionism) thrives and
continues to drain our coffers by the -billions- because of uncontestable
money-power. Our congressmen are nothing more than step 'n' fetchits for
Israel whenever they  feel like mooching more dough off us

>The argumentation I find in this post seems rather bizarre.

it actually makes perfect sense, if you're willing to remove your
politically-correct blinkers and acknowledge both the existence and nature
of the present jewish power structure.

Kurt Stele


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From: kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele)
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Subject: "No revisionist is persecuted":  Zundel
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Alec Grynspan  wrote:

>Nobody is persecuted for being a revisionist.



Zuendel Attacked On Way to Trial

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>From  The Toronto Globe and Mail, January 7, 1985. 


Members of the Jewish Defense League (JDL) screamed obscenities while

attacking Ernst Zuendel, who questions whether six million Jews were
killed

by the Nazis, outside Toronto's downtown County Courthouse this morning.



Zuendel, a 46-year-old Toronto man charged with spreading false news, and

about 15 supporters and friends clad in protective yellow hardhats were
set

upon as they walked hastily in a box-like formation toward the courthouse.



About 15 Metro Toronto police could not hold back the 25 members of the

JDL. Several punches landed on Mr. Zuendel's supporters.



During the melee police tackled a couple of the JDL attackers to the

ground. The rhythmic chants of "Never again, never again," had changed

quickly into vulgar obsenities and taunts. There were no apparent serious

injuries. A police spokesman said four JDL members were charged with

causing a disturbance.



Inside, a packed courtroom watched as Mr. Zuendel was arraigned on two

charges of spreading false news which he knew would cause or was likely to

cause mischief to racial or social tolerance. The charges relate to two

booklets published by Mr. Zuendel, West, War, and Islam, and Did Six

Million Really Die?



Defense counsel Douglas Christie made several pre-trial motions before

County Court Judge Hugh Locke regarding the constitutionality of the

charges and the process by which the jury will be be selected. Mr.

Christie, who recently defended Albertan Jim Keegstra in a similar case,

flew from Victoria, B.C., to represent Mr. Zuendel.



In an interview, Mr. Christie decried the violence outside the courtroom.

"I've never seen people beaten on the steps of a courthouse like that with

absolute impunity," he said.



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This story is par for the course for jewish holohugger behavior too

Kurt Stele





From kurtstele@aol.com Mon Aug 26 11:05:32 PDT 1996
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From: kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele)
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Subject: Re: "Those Sensitive Nazis."
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angus.mclellan@almac.co.uk (ANGUS MCLELLAN) wrote:

>In article <4vd69f$8jg@newsbf02.news.aol.com>
>kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele) writes
>>joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) wrote:

>>>In article <4vaqbb$907@newsbf02.news.aol.com> kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt
>>>Stele) writes:

>>I just wished he'd -stay- in the area of religion, instead of venturing
>>forth into science and history.

>This from a person whose knowledge of history is less than flawless. 
>Once you have explained or retracted your previous incorrect assertions 
>on matters of history (i.e. the Two-Front War, Beria's Jewishness, 
>what the organisation Yagoda headed was actually called - OGPU/GUGB not 
>NKVD, etc), then, and only then, we might start to laugh at your lack 
>of knowledge of science.

As far as the necessity of preserving manpower in a two-front war instead
of using it on cockamaimee gas chamber/transportation schemes, the point
still stands. 

As far as Beria's jewishness, some claim he was jewish alongside his
Mingrellian Nationality.  Pavel Sudoplatov in his _Special Tasks_ writes
that Beria was the jews' key man in negotiating an autonomous jewish
republic in the Crimea. (p. 287 - 288). Beria arranged the jew Mikhoel's
trips to America. Beria was tight with the jewish clique of the Kremlin.
(p. 288)  Stalin suspected Beria's jewishness and Beria was on Stalin's
shitlist of jewish conspirators (p. 306). At the very least the jury is
still out on the matter of Beria's jewishness. 

As far as the jewish thug Yagoda being in the NKVD, Yagoda was made the
-head- of the NKVD in 1934.

duh.

Kurt Stele


From kurtstele@aol.com Mon Aug 26 15:00:22 PDT 1996
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From: kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele)
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Subject: On Eyewitness Testimony:  from the horse's mouth
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Holocaust historians rely heavily on so-called "survivor testimony" to
support the extermination story. But such "evidence" is notoriously
unreliable. As one Jewish historian has pointed out, 

"Most of the memoirs and reports [of "Holocaust survivors"] are full of
preposterous verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects,
overestimated self-inflation, dilettante philosophizing, would-be
lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks and apologies." 

Samuel Gringauz in Jewish Social Studies (New York), January 1950, Vol.
12, p. 65. 


From kurtstele@aol.com Mon Aug 26 15:00:24 PDT 1996
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From: kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele)
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Subject: Another breakthough
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This is an aspect I haven't heard yet brought up.  

If the nazis were trying to exterminate the jews and it was towards the
end of the war, and food was scarce and the nazis knew of the impending
advancement of the Allies, and the nazis were supposedly trying to
"exterminate" the jews, the nazis would certainly have wiped the camps
clean of jewish inmates and the liberators would have found noone alive.

If anything, jews left alive could testify against them (which in fact
they did -- and boy, did they testify. whew.)   At the point it was the
end of the war.  Surely the nazis had nothing to lose.  They supposedly
were trying to exterminate the jews.  The nazis had quite an important
interest in wiping out the jews at that point if anything to prevent them
>from  testifying.  Keeping any alive would not mitigate their punishment in
the slightest given they supposedly had already millions of jews already
(supposedly). Killing a few more would have been no problem, and quite to
the nazis' best interest. There were not so many remaining in any camp
that could not have been killed by one method or another.

But the nazis did not kill them.

Yet another circumstantial aspect disproving the extermination thesis.

Kurt Stele


From kurtstele@aol.com Mon Aug 26 15:00:25 PDT 1996
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Subject: A Question of Density
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The holohuggers still cannot seem to grasp the economic waste of using
purportedly stolen money on an extensive train transportation/gas chamber
system as opposed to execution by shooting and apply the money to the
2-front war they were fighting. 

The holohuggers claim the nazis were trying to exterminate the jews.

Yet if this was true, there the extensive train transportation/gas chamber
doubling as a shower system was absurd and needless.

Had the nazis wanted to "exterminate" the jews they could have done so by
the simple, convenient, common, obvious, and customary way of shooting the
jews. 

Shooting worked fine in Russia.

Shooting worked fine in Cambodia.

Machetes and screwdrivers worked fine in Rwanda.

If the nazis were trying to "exterminate" the jews, they did not need to
spend the money on an elaborate and expensive train
transportation/camp/gas chambers-disguised-as-a-shower system of
execution.  

The fact that they established the transportation/labor camp system is
indicative the nazis obviously were up to something -other- than
execution, which they could have done easily without the rigmarole.

Had the nazis wanted to exterminate the jews, they would have shot them
and kept the money for several needed projects in the 2-front war they
were fighting.

The holohuggers cannot grasp this.

Kurt Stele


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Holohuggers deny there are evidentiary problems with the holocaust.

Holohuggers deny the media is jewish-dominated.

Holohuggers deny any revisionist is persecuted.

I'm starting to see the trend.

Kurt Stele


From kurtstele@aol.com Mon Aug 26 16:29:41 PDT 1996
Article: 60168 of alt.revisionism
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From: kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele)
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Subject: Re: The Politics of Holohugging:  Theory
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dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>SS-Doctor Kremer about his days at Auschwitz: 
>[Quoted in 'The Good Old Days' - E. Klee, W. Dressen, V. Riess, The 
>Free Press, NY, 1988, p. 258].
>-------------------------------------------------------------------
>I remember I once took part in the gassing of one of these groups
>of women [from the women's camp in Auschwitz]. I cannot say how
>big the group was. when I got close to the bunker I saw them
>sitting on the ground. They were still clothed. As they were
>wearing worn-out camp clothing they were not left in the undressing
>hut but made to undress in the open air. I concluded from the
>behavior of these women that they had no doubt what fate awaited
>them, as they begged and sobbed to the SS men to spare them their
>lives. However, they were herded into the gas chambers and gassed.

sounds like more "geese."

we're supposed to believe the "eyewitness" accounts of cruel and
insensitive nazis, but the holohuggers told us before the SS were so
"sensitive" they could not fire a weapon.  My they're convenient.

I'd work on finding those missing ashes if I were you Keren.  

Kurt Stele


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kmcvay@nizkor.org (Ken McVay OBC) wrote:

>In article <4vr6o4$nmj@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, 
>kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele) wrote:

>>Holohuggers deny there are evidentiary problems with the holocaust.
>>Holohuggers deny the media is jewish-dominated.
>>Holohuggers deny any revisionist is persecuted.
>>I'm starting to see the trend.
>>Kurt Stele

>So are we. Into the KILLfile with you, Matt.

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I must be doing something right

Kurt Stele


From kurtstele@aol.com Tue Aug 27 20:57:31 PDT 1996
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From: kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele)
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Subject: Re: The Politics of Holohugging:  Theory
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dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele) writes:

>[Dr. Kremer's testimony about a gassing in Birkenau deleted]

># sounds like more "geese."

>You don't have a good sense of humor, untermench. Nazis
>never do.

># we're supposed to believe the "eyewitness" accounts of
># cruel and insensitive nazis, but the holohuggers told us before
># the SS were so "sensitive" they could not fire a weapon.  

>This was, most certainly, not the *only* reason for using
>gas chambers, but let's pose a question here.

>All the men in the B-17's that turned German cities into
>infernos. Burning women, children, babies alive.

>How many of them could take all these babies and throw
>them into the fire? Some, possibly, could; there are
>sadists everywhere. But, in general, won't you agree
>that it takes a far smaller psychological toll to do it 
>in a "remote control" fashion? Just like the gassings?

># I'd work on finding those missing ashes if I were you Keren.

>Plenty found in Maidanek and Treblinka. Now, find the
>corpses of the 30 million Soviets you claim that Stalin 
>killed, and the 2-3 million Germans who died after the
>war, and the million German POW's you claim the US killed
>after the war (or is it 10 million by now). Where are the
>corpses, untermench?

"Plenty" of ashes were found he says.

Yet they were never found in anywhere near the amount that would have been
found if the Holohoax tale were true.

Another "missing strand" in the tangled Holohoax web. 

Kurt Stele


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you forgot the soap :-)

Kurt Stele 


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Subject: Re:  Evil Egyptians
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tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) wrote:

>		
>	
>	After a number of days wondering around in the high plains
>wilderness, one of which was Yellowstone Park, Moran returns with
>tales from the woods.

>	Moran was 'dining out' in the vicinity of a noted basalt flow
>when in drove a family of one wife, husband and two kids, one boy and
>one girl.

>	Moran had spotted them at another attraction and recognized them
>as Jewish. The father looked Jewish and the male child, about nine,
>had this hard confrontational expression on his face which Moran had
>noticed on Hebrew kids before. The father had a belligerent attitude
>as he plowed past the roving sightseers, seemingly in a rush to get it
>over with. You generally don't see Jews out in a format like that,
>even one structured like Yellowstone Park.

>	Anyway, as Moran squatted gnawing on a bone by the basalt flow,
>in drives the family and the quartet gets out. The father, with the
>son following, head for the formation when the father ask Moran if
>there is a path up to the top. Moran informed them there wasn't but
>they could blaze one around the end or take a path going down along
>side the river. The father lurched in that direction with the kid
>tagging along.

>	After about ten minutes, and while Moran was finishing up gnawing
>on the bone, the mother walked over and ask Moran why the rocks had
>the shape they did. They were an ideal example of columnar jointing
>and Moran informed the lady it was basalt. She not hearing the 'ba' in
>the basalt, ask amazed like, "Salt?" Moran reiterated, "Basalt". They
>lady ask how come they're shaped like that and Moran told her it was
>from the cooling process causing a certain molecular arrangement of
>crystals and the subsequent eroding away of the overlying pressure
>that caused the effect.

>	Moran included that it was a wonder that the "Sheepeater" Indians
>that hung around there in days of old didn't take to constructing
>something from the rocks that had fallen away, since they had a
>certain geometric conformity in shape.

>	The lady offered that maybe it was because they were too hard.

>	Moran mentioned that the Egyptians did some remarkable things
>with basalt and possibly it was the sub-base to the pyramids to which
>they fitted the outer smooth sedimentary rocks, now mostly worn away
>by thousands of years of erosion.

>	The lady said something about "Yea, look who they had to build
>them." Moran ask, "Who was that?". She said "Jewish slaves". Moran
>mentioned that many people had slaves in those days, even Israel, and
>that it was mentioned in their Bible. Moran was hoping for a little
>discussion, seeing maybe he could further liberate the lady from her
>ill perceptions of personal persecution, but she became horrified at
>the truth and just scurried back to her car.   

>	In a moment or two the father and the son emerged from their
>short hike and they left. As Moran returned to his squatting and
>gnawing he watched the foursome drive away and wondered if the lady
>would ever come to discuss her encounter with Moran in the woods. 

>	As Moran 'washed' his hands by rubbing them in the dust on the
>ground, he thought a bit more about the incident. He thought of how
>the Jews think they are the only ones who were ever persecuted. He
>also thought how it is evident that any connection between the Jews of
>today and those of when the pyramids were built would be far diluted. 

>	Moran also thought how any record of the Jews really only goes
>back to about 1200 BC, a couple of thousand years after the pyramids
>were built, and no one can say exactly who participated in their
>construction.  	

>	As Moran wiped away the dust on his pants, he thought, 'It's
>really a sorry thing to rue the day of a thousand years ago, and
>especially since they don't have the slightest proof to show they are
>in fact rueing a reality.

>	The day was drawing short and Moran had to think about finding a
>cave to sleep in, but before he left he turned to look at the mighty
>formation of hardened ages old rock, once solid, formidable, now
>breaking away to collapse as rubble and then on to grains, in time
>washed away by the streams and rivers.   

evil Egyptians,

I think the jewish claim about the pyramids is yet -another- hoax.

The jewish aversion to manual labor is proverbial.

The nazis tried to change that, in the labor camps.

Maybe that is why the labor camps were melodramatically called "death
camps" by the -millions- of people who survived them:  the thought of
doing manual labor was simply horrifying to them.

Kurt Stele


From kurtstele@aol.com Tue Aug 27 22:41:19 PDT 1996
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From: kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele)
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miasaura@ccnis.net (Annie Alpert) wrote:

>In article <4vjmvm$qml@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, kurtstele@aol.com 
>says...
>>
>>Keith Morrison  wrote:
>>>One gunner per 600 people, right, Stele?  Fairly close range, I'd 
>assume?>>And what happens when a few dozen of those six hundred get 
>pissed and>charge>>said gunner?  Would you, with your Super Machine 
>Gun that never has to be>>reloaded, never malfunctions and never 
>gets too hot want to stand there>>and try to get *all* of them 
>before at least one reaches you and rips>>out your throat?
>>>>>
>You responded:
>>I was using the worst-case scenarios figures. 


>In other words, you made it up.

>>>>If extermination -had- been>the nazis object, there would likely 
>be more gunners per person of course.>

>If you want to know more about the murders of innocent men, women 
>and children by machine gun fire by the Nazi Einsatzgruppen, try 
>"The Good Old Days" by Klee et al, Brenaden Press.  Plenty of 
>eyewitness accounts by perpetrators.  They didn't like the duty 
>much, though.  They also had a high suicide and desertion rate, 
>believe it or not.

>>>>The machine gunning of peasants this way in Russia and Cambodia 
>worked. >The point is, as history has amply demonstrated, killing 
>squads using guns>is, along with starvation, the modus operandi of 
>extermination -- not>goofy gas. And that fact should be considered 
>-apart- from the evidentiary>deficiencies in your gas chamber story 
>itself.  If nazis wanted to>exterminate the jews, they would have 
>done the obvious and normal way.  
>>
>Says you.  You seem to have apretty low opinion of the ingenuity of 
>the German people.  I have found them to be a clever and creative 
>people, fully able to devise new and better ways of getting things 
>done.

>>>>And since Keren pointed out that I had -overestimated- the amount 
>of>people per gunner by a factor of -10- (thanks again Keren), that 
>leaves a>mere -60- people to be shot with a mounted machine gun, 
>hardly a difficult>task at all.>>>>

>Now that's funny!  You totally screwed up your estimate by a factor 
>of _10_ and now you're trying to massage Mr. Keren's correction for 
>your own benefit!  Chutzpa is alive and well on AOL!

the error was in the exterminationists' favor though. The correction
merely results in the bullshit being increased by a factor of 10 

Kurt Stele

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From kurtstele@aol.com Tue Aug 27 22:41:21 PDT 1996
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libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu (william c anderson) wrote:

>Kurt Stele (kurtstele@aol.com) wrote:

>: we're supposed to believe the "eyewitness" accounts of cruel and
>: insensitive nazis, but the holohuggers told us before the SS were so
>: "sensitive" they could not fire a weapon.  My they're convenient.

>Again, Stele exemplifies the group-think mentality of the deniers.
>If any Nazi was cruel, then none of them could have suffered
>psychological harm from murdering children.  If any Nazi did suffer
>such harm, then none of them could be cruel.  All JOOS have big
>noses, and all blacks have low IQs.  

(tap on the shoulder) excuse me Bill for interrupting your speech but I
just wanted to remind you that you still have not produced any evidence
that the nazis abandoned shooting for gassing after supposedly killing 3
million jews already.  Documents would be good for a start -- remember we
have documents for everything the Germans did except your holohoax. The
question also remains why they would do so to begin with when an elaborate
train/camp scheme is obviously far more involved and costly than shooting.

I'm sorry, continue..

Kurt Stele


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1)  WALT DISNEY

a- The largest media conglomerate in the world today 

b- headed by Michael Eisner (jewish)

c- the Walt Disney Picture group is headed by Joe Roth (jewish) and
includes Touchstone Pictures and Caravan Pictures

d- Disney also owns Miramax pictures, which is headed by the Weinstein
brothers (jewish)

e- Disney owns Capital Cities/ABC, whose subsidiary ESPN, is headed by
president and CEO Steven Bornstein (jewish).

2)  TIME WARNER

a- the -second- largest media conglomerate in the world today, behind Walt
Disney

b- headed by CEO Michael Levin (jewish)

c- Time Warner's is the largest in the magazine publisher in the country
and includes Time, Sports Illustrated, People, and Fortune (headed by
Norman Pearlstine -- jewish)

d- Time Warner's subsidiary HBO is the country's largest pay-TV cable
network

e- Time Warner is also the world's largest record company.

3) VIACOM

a)  The third largest media conglomerate

b)  Headed by Sumner Redstone (born Murray Rothstein -- jewish).  Redstone
-actually- owns 76% of Viacom's shares ($3 billion).

c)  Viacom produces films through Paramount pictures which is headed by
Sherry Lansing (jewish)

d)  Produces and distributes TV programs for the three largest networks
and ows 12 television stations and 12 radio stations.

e)  Viacom's publishing division Prentic Hall Simon & Schuster, and Pocket
Books, and distributes videos through over 4,000 Blockbuster Video stores.

f)  Viacom is the world's largest provider of cable programming, most
notably through Showtime, MTV, and Nickelodeon.


NOTE:  The leadership of the top 3 media conglomerates Disney, Time
Warner, and Viacom is jewish.


4)  Most of the television and movie production companies that are not
owned by the largest corporations are also controlled by jews.  New World
Entertainment which is considered the premiere independent TV program
producer in the U.S. is owned by Ronald Perelman (jewish) who also owns
Revlon cosmetics.

5)  The chairman of New World is the former head of entertainment
programming at NBC, Brandon Tartikoff (jewish)

6)  The best known of the smaller media companies is DreamWorks SKG which
formed in 1994 by recording industry mogul David Geffen (jewish), former
Disney Pictures chairman Jeffrey Katzenbgerg (jewish), and film director
Steven Spielberg (jewish). With the cash and connections these three
possess it is likely that DreamWorld may soon be in the same league as the
big three media conglomerates.

7)  Two other large production companies, MCA and Universal Pictures, are
both owned by Seagram Company, Ltd., the liquor giant, whose president and
CEO is Edgar Bronfman. (jewish)  Edgar Bronfman is also president of the
World Jewish Congress.

8)  Films produced by the just the five largest motion picture companies
mentioned above -- Disney, Warner Brothers, Sony, Paramount (Viacom) and
Universal (Seagram) -- accounted for 74 per cent of the total box-office
receipts for 1995.

9)  The number five biggest media company is the Japanese Sony
Corporation, whose U.S. subsidiary, Sony Corporation of America, is run by
Michael Schulhof, a jew.  Alan J. Levin, another jew heads the Sony
Pictures division.

II)  Newspapers

Jews own the nation's 3 most prestigious and influential newspapers:  the
New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, and the Washington Post.  These 3
papers set the trends and guidelines for nearly all others.  They
originate the news; the others merely copy it.  

1)  The New York Times

a-  headed by CEO Arthur Ochs Sulzberger, Jr. (jewish)

b-  Executive editor is Max Frankel (jewish)

c-  Managing editor is Joseph Lelyveld (jewish)

d-  The Sulzberger familly also owns throught the New York Times Co. 33
other newspapers including the Boston Globe, 12 magazines including
McCall's and Family Circle with circulations of more than 5 million each.
7 radio and TV broadcasting companies.  

e-  The New York Times company transmits news stories, features, and
photographs by wire to 506 other newspapers, news agencies, and magazines.

2)  The Washington Post

a-  Headed by Katherine Meyer Graham (jewish).  She is principal
stockholder and chairman of the board of the Washington Post Co.

b-  Her son Donald is The Washington Post's publisher (jewish).

c-  The Washington Post Co, has a number of other media holdings in
newspapers, television, and magazines, most notably the nation's
number-two weekly newsmagazine, Newsweek.

d-  In a joint venture with the New York Times the Post publishes the
International Herald Tribune, the most widely distributed English language
daily in the world

3)  The Wall Street Journal

a-  Owned by the Dow Jones Company, whose chairman and CEO of Dow Jones is
Peter R. Kahn (jewish)

b-  The nation's largest circulation newspaper -- 1.8 million copies each
weekday.

c-  The Dow Jones company also publishes 24 other daily newspapers and the
weekly financial tabloid Barron's, among others.

4)  Other New York papers

a.  In January of 1993 the New York Daily News was bought from the estate
of the late jewish media mogul Robert Maxwell (born Ludvik Hoch -- jewish)
by the real-estate developer Mortimer Zuckerman (jewish).  The Village
Voice is owned by Leonard Stern (jewish) the billionaire owner of the
Hartz Mountain pet supply.

III)  A Note on the Purported "free competition" of the print Media

After TV news, daily newspapers are the most influential information
medium in America today. Sixty million of them are sold each day.  They
are divided into some 1500 publications.  

Does this large number of publications indicate there exists substantial
independence and competition within the media industry?  Hardly.

Out of the 1500 only 25% are independently owned, and out of that number
over 100 have circulation over 100,000.  Only a handful are large enough
to maintain independent reporting staffs outside their own communities;
the rest must depend on these few for all of their national and
international news.

In only 50 cities are there more than -one- daily newspaper, and
competition is frequently nominal even among them, as between morning and
afternoon editions under the same ownership.  For example, several cities
including Birmingham, AL., Springfield, Mass., and Syracuse, NY. have
morning and afternoon editions that are both owned by Advance
Publications, a holding company of the Newhouse brothers (jewish).  

IV.  The former top three TV networks ABC, NBC, and CBS and their current
status of ownership

The big three in television network broadcasting used to be ABC, CBS, and
NBC.  With the consolidation of the media empires, these three are no
longer independent entities.  While they -were- independent, however, each
was controlled by a jew since its inception:

1)  ABC:  by Leonard Goldenson (jewish)

a-- executive producers of ABC news programs are all jewish:  Victor S.
Neufeld (20/20), Bob Reichbloom (Good Morning America), and Rick Kaplan
(World News Tonight)

2)  CBS:  first by Willliam Paley (jewish) and then by Laurence Tisch
(jewish)

a-- recently purchased by Westinghouse Electric Corporation.  Nevertheless
the man appointed by Laurence Tisch, Eric Ober (jewish) remains president
of CBS News.

3)  NBC:  first by David Sarnoff and then by his son Robert Sarnoff (both
jewish)

a-- NBC is now owned by General Electric; however, the NBC news president
is Andrew Lack (a jew) as are executive producers Jeff Zucker (Today),
Jeff Gralnick (NBC Nightly News), and Neal Shapiro (Dateline).  

Also, for several decades these networks have been staffed from top to
bottom with jews.

V.  Other:  e.g., the top 3 newsmagazines 

1)  Time magazine  

a)  weekly circulation of 4.1 million.

b)  as mentioned before, Time magazine is part of the media conglomerate
Time Warner which is headed by Gerald Levin (jewish)

2) Newsweek 

a)  weekly circulation of 3.2 million.

b)  owned by Katherine Meyer Graham (jewish)

3) U.S. News and World Report

a)  weekly circulation of 2.3 million

b)  owned by Mortimer Zuckerman (jewish), who is also editor-in-chief of
the magazine

c)  Zuckerman also owns the Atlantic Monthly magazine and as mentioned
before, New York's tabloid newspaper the Daily News which is the 6th
largest paper in the country.

4)  the top publisher of children's books is Western Publishing, with more
than 50% of the market.  Its chairman and CEO is Richard Snyder (jewish)
who just replaced Richard Bernstein (jewish)  

5)   Note of the Newhouse media empire:  founded by the late Samuel
Newhouse, a jewish immigrant from Russia.  Now run by his two son Samuel
and Donald Newhouse. Newhouse owns 26 daily newspaper which include the
top newspapers of Cleveland, Newark, and New Orleans.  Newhouse
Broadcasting consists of 12 television broadcasting stations and 87
cable-TV systems, including some of the largest cable networks; the Sunday
supplement _Parade_, with a circulation of more than 22 million copies per
week; some two dozen major magazines, including the New Yorker, Vogue,
Mademoiselle, Glamour, Vanity Fair, Bride's, GQ, Self, House & Garden, and
all the other magazines of the wholly owned Conde Nast group.


VI.  Gentile media ownership and control

Ted Turner:  amassed a fortune in advertising and built a large and
successful cable-TV news network. Turner made a bid to takeover CBS.  To
block the bid CBS invited billionaire theater, hotel, insurance, and
cigarette magnate Laurence Tisch (jewish) to launch a "friendly" takeover
of the company, and from 1986 till 1995 Tisch was the chairman and CEO of
CBS, removing any threat of non-jewish influence there. Subsequent effort
by Turner to acquire a major network have been obstructed by Levin's Time
Warner, which owns nearly 20 percent of CBS stock and has veto power over
major deals.  Subsequently, jewish newsman Daniel Schorr, who had worked
for Turner, publicly charged that his former boss held a personal dislike
for jews.

Turner employs a number of jews in key executive and managment positions
at CNN. Turner has never take public positions contrary to jewish
interests.  Despite being an innovator and garnering headlines, Turner has
never commanded the wealth and power to be a true media master. 
Furthermore, he has discussed a deal with Time Warner to merge, which
would make Time Warner the number one media conglomerate, and Levin would
become Ted Turner's boss.  Turner may have decided if you can't beat 'em,
join 'em.

Rupert Murdoch:  owns the fourth largest media company, News Corporation,
which owns Fox Television Network and 20th Century Fox Films, both of
which are headed by Peter Chermin (jewish). Murdoch has never take public
positions contrary to jewish interests.  

Even those newspapers still until under Gentile ownership and management
are so thoroughly dependent upon jewish advertising revenue that their
editorial and news reporting policies are largely contrained by jewish
likes and dislikes.  It holds true in the newspaper business as elsewhere
that he who pays the piper calls the tune.

VII.  CONCLUSION:  the control of the opinion-molding media is nearly
monolithic.  All of the controlled media -- television, radio, newspaper,
magazines, books, motion pictures -- speak with a single voice, each
reinforcing each other.  Despite the appearance of variety, there is no
real dissent, no alternative source of facts or ideas accessible to the
great mass of people which might allow them to form opinions at odds with
those of the media masters. They are presented with a single view of the
world -- a world in which -every- voice proclaims the equality of the
races, the inerrant nature of the jewish "holocaust" tale, the immorality
of attempting to halt the hordes of third world immigrants pouring into
America, and the desirability of genocidal race-mixing.  And we have just
seen that the media masters are to a large extent jewish.

The jews dominate the media ownership and control.  Yet how is it that
virtually -noone- discusses this incredible and significant fact.  The
media for some reason never reports mentions this fact.  The fact of media
ownership and control is highly significant fact because those who control
the media wield incredible power to mold the public opinions.  

Would it be too -extreme- to say that the media has effectively
-concealed- this fact? 

Do the media have the power to further orthodoxy to the Holocaust tale? 
Yes.  Are the media masters using their power to further orthodoxy to the
Holocaust tale? Yes.  If revisionism -is- true and the holocaust is
largely false, can this truth ever be given a hearing, much less a -fair-
hearing with the current status of media ownership?  No.  Is it any wonder
why the public does not know of the revisionist position and of the body
of facts in its favor?  No. Is it wonder why the public does not know of
the evidentiary deficiencies of the Holocaust tale? No. Considering the
fact that the media was heavily jewish at the time of WWII as well, along
with the torture, coercion, and obvious one-sidednessness of the WWII
"warcrime trials," as well as the benefit the jews received and receive
>from  the Holocaust tale, is it plausible that an anti-German hoax that
serves jewish interest could have been perpetrated and given wide
publicity and acceptance?  Yes.

Do the same jewish power which conceals from the public the fact of its
overwhelming media dominance also have the power to conceal the truth
about the Holocaust tale as well? 

Yes.

Kurt Stele


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Holocauster claim that the nazis, who supposedly shot 3 million jews in a
little of two years, decided to switch to gas because the it was "more
efficient."  This is itself strange, given that according to the Holocaust
tale the nazis had already been extraordinarily successful in killing an
enormous amount of people in a short time by shooting.  Obviously shooting
was quite efficient.

Judging from the number of "deathcamp survivors" (that oxymoron says it
all) this alleged switch (which has no documentary evidence) was perhaps
not as efficient in retrospect.
  
So to explain this the holohuggers then tell us that the nazis were really
stupid, that they did not know how to kill people efficiently, as the
holohuggers seek to explain the oddity of why so many "deathcamp inmates"
survived.

In other words, the holohuggers claim that an army that brilliantly swept
Europe and ran the world's most highly sophisticated military operation,
which was able to defeat all others on the mainland, didn't know how to
kill people.

The nazis rounded jews and transported them to the East and elsewhere. If
they had wanted to kill them, the nazis could have simply stopped the
train at any point, forced the passengers to disembark, and shot them in
the countryside.  The train would stop at a point specifically planned for
this purpose, surrounded by a small band of soldiers wielding machine
guns.  No problem.  Noone would find out.  There would have been no
escape.

But here's another thing the nazis could have done and probably would have
if they had been trying to "exterminate" the jews.  

They could have set up a place where large numbers of jews were simply
blown into smithereens.  It could be a mile from the train track or more
(i.e., nearby) and out of reach of any local village.  Easy.  In the
Russians did precisely that:

"One such former prisoner, named Dashchin, who had been in exile in the
Kolyma region, told of an incident in a gold-mining camp. The camp
contained 7,000 prisoners from all parts of the Soviet Union, and upon
completion of the work there it was evident that the means of
transportation to another locality were not available. The prisoners were
too weak from malnutrition to go elsewhere
on foot, for the nearest work-camp was thousands of kilometers distant.
The problem was solved very simply. The prisoners were driven to a cliff
that had been mined, and were blown into oblivion." 

Crime of Moscow in Vynnytsia, Scottish League for European Freedom,
Edinburgh, 1952, 32 pp.

But don't worry:  you are can doubt the above story without being called a
"hater" or "anti-Ukrainian, or being accused of a "thoughtcrimal."

Kurt Stele


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Keith Morrison  wrote:

>Kurt Stele wrote:

>> Millions of Russians died in WWII. What monuments do they get?  none.

>Just outside of Volograd (Stalingrad) is the largest statue in the
>world, a woman with a sword upraised that measures about 270 feet
>from foot to tip of the sword.  As I recall, the name of the statue
>is "Rodina" (Motherland), and it commemorates the Battle of Stalingrad
>and the Soviet soldiers lost in the Second World War.

>Please try to keep your brain in gear when you turn on the mouth.

This misses the point Keith.  The Russians in America do not have the
money-power to call down 1 million guilt-shekels the way the jews do for a
monument or film project in -America.-  The alleged Holocaust happened in
Europe, so why are Americans being forced to foot the bill for a foreign
incident?   The extermination of Russians was also foreign incident and
yet American Russians do not receive the privilege of museums and
monuments.

The jews get special treatment.  Other peoples don't.  The jews are alone
in their imposition of forcing Americans to pay large sums of money to
fund there perpetual Holocaust memorials.  No other people is allowed such
favored status. 
Just goes to show you the privileges that jewish money-power can get.

Kurt Stele


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truthfull@aol.com (Truthfull) wrote:

>White people are *not* the quickest at picking up on being
>duped,fooled,used,bamboozeled - in a word "jewed." That is why we kept on
>believing the holocrap and the other lies about WWII. We are the race
that
>is known around the globe as suckers for pouring money down rat-holes
like
>Hatti or Ethiopia or Rowanda. We kept on listening to the jew controled
>media tell us that it was wrong to resist the browning of our lands. We
>were fooled into buying the story about racial equality. We Whites gave
>billions and billions of our tax dollars  to the third world in the form
>of  "aid packages" or "loans" that are most times not ever paid back.We
>grumbled a little from time to time, but stood by while the blacks looted
>and burned in London, Los Angeles, Capetown, and Paris.

> Over the years we Whites have grown soft to the point that many of our
>enemies think we are down. They gloat over the trends that point to
>non-white populations over-taking the White populations in North America.
>They smile as they note that whites are now shrinking as a global
>population group.They clap together and cheer when a Black gets away with
>the murder of yet another white victim.  How they must laugh when they
>look at brainwashed Whites who express hatred for thier brothers and
>sisters who are trying to resist the destruction of thier kin. Yes, if
you
>get your data from the Jew monopolized media in the Western nations, it
>may seem like it is a bad time to be a White. 

>The good news is that many of us are waking up now. Whites are begining
to
>smell the rot over the sweet perfume that our enemies sprinkle about to
>keep us from gagging. Some White men and women are brave enough to not be
>cowed into going along with the program of race mixing, non-white
>imigration, homosexuality, and other degenerative trends. Right here on
>alt.revisionism more and more folks are crying foul at the lies that are
>used by the Jewish race to keep  us thinking of them as poor innocent
>victims instead of holding them accountable  for their actions. All over
>the net information is being passed from brother to brother, making an
>impact on the way history is being made, in spite of the Jewish  efforts
>to stop us. It is clear now that the tempo is increasing in the pace this
>information is being spread, read, and acted upon. 

>The organization which is at the vanguard of the White race's struggle
for
>survival and advancement is the National Alliance. I encourage all Whites
>who want to know more about what can be done and what is being done to
>secure our future and the future of our children to visit www.natvan.com.
>Help your people win back a world of sanity, beauty and order. We can do
>it, after all we are the race of Plato, Napoleon, Von Bruan, Washington,
>Columbus, Julius Caesar, and Charlemagne.  We put man on the moon,
>discovered the New World, developed the republic and invented the
computer
>technology you are using as you read this. We are the sons and daughters
>of the Vikings, the Romans, and the Greeks.  We will prevail, but we must
>organize into a solid front welded together by common blood and a will to
>survive. 

>visit www.natvan.com today!

May it come to pass, friend.

You know, the interesting thing is that several holohuggers are liberals. 
Liberals are notorious for their "bleeding hearts."  They are always
denouncing evil White racism, and forever defending the brown peoples'
right to enter the land of and receive welfare from Europeans.  Liberals
are considered, or at they consider themselves, "humanitarians."

It seems the liberal description fits many holohuggers.  Rich Graves, for
example.  

Yet these same "bleeding hearts" will never discuss the harm, or even
admit the existence of the harm being done to White homelands, culture,
racial integrity, and community by the current multicultural System.  They
think that the resentment felt by many Whites against the endemic black
crime which constrains their lives and makes them feel unsafe, is
negligible.  They think the many lives destroyed by non-White crimes
against Whites, events which would have likely never happened had the
society been a homogenous White one, are negligible.  They think that the
genocide being done to a race of people by denying them the physical basis
for existence, an exclusive homeland, is negligible. They think the damage
being done by mixing the gene pool of a race honed by millions of years of
intricate evolution to be the world's most civilizationally and
artistically advanced race, is negligible.   

The liberal stands as a regressive force in the world today.

Kurt Stele


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From: kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele)
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Subject: Hoax revealed:  "Extermination" orders never found
Date: 27 Aug 1996 21:23:51 -0400
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The missing extermination order supposedly issued by Hitler have never
been found, despite the Holocausters' claims.  This consistutes a
remarkable gap in Holocaust evidence. French-Jewish historian Leon
Poliakov, for example, noted in his best-known Holocaust work: 

"The archives of the Third Reich and the depositions and accounts of its
leaders make possible a reconstruction, down to the last detail, of the
origin and development of the plans for aggression, the military
campaigns, and the whole array of procedures by which the Nazis intended
to reshape the world to their liking. Only the campaign to exterminate the
Jews, as regards its conception as well as many other essential aspects,
remains shrouded in darkness. 

"No documents of a plan for exterminating the Jews have ever been found,
he added, because perhaps none ever existed." 

Leon Poliakov, Harvest of Hate (New York: Holocaust Library, 1979), p.
108. 



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From: kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele)
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Subject: I am Kurt Stele:  any questions?
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I am Kurt Stele.  Kurt Stele is my real name.  

Any other questions?

It has been speculated by several holohuggers that I am Tom Moran, or Matt
Giwer ghost-writing.

Apparently they have difficulty conceiving that the truth about the Lie is
known by more than just a couple of people.  

Kurt Stele


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Subject: Re: Here We Go Again (Re: Evil Holocaust Revisionism)
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schwartz@infinet.com wrote:

>In article <4vd5v0$8cc@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt
>Stele) wrote:

>> >On 19 Aug 1996, Kurt Stele wrote:
>> >
>> >> schwartz@infinet.com wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> >Kurt:
>> >> > 
>> >> >Is Suchomel lying?
>> >> 
>> >> yes.  You can pay anyone to say anything, especially given jewish
>> >> money-power
>> >
>> >And your proof that Franz Suchomel was paid to lie is...?
>> >
>> >Oh, right, I forgot. Because You Say So.
>> 
>> why not.  
>> 
>> The Holohoax seeks to its vindicate its explicit absurdities by relying
on
>> the "trustworthy" foundation of -hearsay-.
> 
>I repeat:
> 
>I'll even do it in little words and capital letters, so you don't miss
it:
> 
>YOUR PROOF THAT FRANZ SUCHOMEL IS LYING? WHERE IS IT?
> 
>WHAT IS YOUR DEFINITION OF HEARSAY? SUCHOMEL WAS AN EYEWITNESS.


>> 
>> But if it is all based on eyewitness testimony then anybody's word's as
>> good as the next.
>> 
> 
>BZZT! Wrong, but thanks for playing.

>> The Holohoax is overwhelming premised on -eyewitness testimony- much of
>> which were gathered from biased or interested witnesses, or witnesses
>> under duress, and at a court of victors' vanquish.
>> 
> 
>BZZT! Wrong, but thanks for playing.
> 
>Suchomel was not biased "towards" the memory of the Holocaust. He was a
>NAZI SS guard.
> 
>He was not interviewed under duress. He was interviewed, if I remember
>correctly, in a public place -- a bar.

>Suchomel was NOT interviewed in a "victor's court." He was interviewed in
>a public place.

>> Not even the sort of conditions which usually produces reliable
testimony.
>> 

>Since your above statements were incorrect, there's no point in
addressing this.

>> The -real- evidence for the holohoax is lacking -- other than the
strange
>> and tortured inferences made by the holohuggers which again are not
backed
>> by documentation or other forms of hard, real evidence.
> 
>Really? Go visit Auchwitz, THEN tell me about it.

>> 
>> The holohuggers' unusual conclusions are only based on the
evidentiarily
>> slim reed of "eyewitness testimony" and that being from mainly
interested
>> or coerced sources.
> 
>You are so full of shit, it's astonishing.

>> 
>> In fact the hard evidence and administrative documentation we -do- have
>> from the nazis contradicts that the nazis were deliberately trying to
>> "exterminate" the jews.
> 
>BZZT! Wrong, but thanks for playing.

>> 
>> The holohuggers try to get around this by claiming "the nazis never
wrote
>> it down"
>> 
>> yet the nazis wrote -everything else- down,
>> 
>> again we are "ordered" to accept an anomaly 
>> 
>> which should instantly raise our suspicion
> 
>BZZT! Wrong, but thanks for playing.
> 
>Go listen to the Himmler speech, THEN tell me about it.

>> 
>> but what is most notable is that we are asked to premise our belief in
>> that anomaly 
>> 
>> upon something so unreliable as eyewitness testimony -alone-
> 
>BZZT! Wrong, but thanks for playing.

>> 
>> and even eyewitness testimony presented under conditions hostile to
>> producing reliable eyewitness testimony.
> 
>BZZT! Wrong again! You're batting 1000.

>> 
>> In other words, jewish Holohuggers want us to believe their witnesses 
>> 
>> just because -they- say so
>> 
>> in spite of substantial evidentiary problems
>> 
>> and jewish holohuggers also  continue censoring, harrassing, and
>> imprisoning
>> 
>> anyone who doubts the holocaust, 
>> 
>> repressing the dissent of others
>> 
>> just like nazis.
>> 
>> Why don't YOU prove he -wasn't- paid off?

Sara, your above interview with Suchomel is merely more of the same
dubious "eyewitness testimony" which holohuggers invariably present to
explain away the myriad facets of the Holocaust Tale which lack physical
evidence entirely or which contradict the existing evidence, both physical
and circumstantial.  You can pay anyone to say anything, especially given
jewish money power. Another nazi towing the line on your story does little
to help your.  You will need far more than that I'm afraid.

Like I said before, mere "eyewitness testimony" is insufficient to
rehabilitate the Holocaust's evidentiary deficiencies.  Eyewitness
testimony is the most unreliable evidence that one can proffer.

By the way you still haven't proved Suchomel wasn't paid off.

And you filled out my questionaire from two weeks ago.

>Because one cannot prove a negative, moron. YOU made the claim he was
paid
>off, YOU prove it.

Hello!  I almost missed this one.  Glad I saw it.  

If "one cannot prove the negative" then why must revisionist -disprove-
the Holocaust?  There should be no need to disprove a tale that on its
face has no real physical evidence except for "eyewitness testimony" and
some unlikely and strange inferences that are premised on nazis acting
wholly illogical. To the contrary you have not affirmatively -proven- the
holocaust.

Kurt Stele

>"He who makes a claim bears the responsibility of supporting it." (Matt
Giwer)
>"He who makes a claim bears the responsibility of supporting it." (Matt
Giwer)
>"He who makes a claim bears the responsibility of supporting it." (Matt
Giwer)
> 
>Sara

>-- 
>"I am patient with stupidity, but not with those who are proud of it."
>    Edith Sitwell


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I made the point recently that if the nazis were supposedly trying to
"exterminate" the jews they could and would have done so by the customary
method of shooting.  The nazis had just allegedly killed 3 million and
there was good reason for them to switch. To explain this anomaly the
holohuggers have alleged a number of goofy theories, including avoid
clergy disapproval, saving the cost of bullets (one of my favorite and
most idiotic), and efficiency (yet millions survived the purported
"deathcamps").  I pointed out that an army supposedly dedicated to
"exterminating" jews abandoned it in favor of an "elaborate and costly
inter-continental transportation/camp scheme."  

A number of holohuggers disputed that word "intercontinental" and claimed
there was no transportation of jews to the East, that the transit camps
such as Sobibor were death camps from noone left.  

Yet according to the Korherr report of March 1943, 1,449,692 Jews had been
transported to the Russian East.  Documents NO 5193-5198.

Korherr was the SS chief statistician.    

"Intercontinental" was correct.  

Guys, don't ever back down to a holohugger. Their tale is a piece of lying
garbage. We're exposing it.  

This is history.

Kurt Stele


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Brian Harmon  wrote:

>Matt Giwer wrote:
>> 
>>         Why is it that when it comes to gassing personal statements and
>> testimony are enough but when it comes to "jews control the media"
>> physical evidence is required?


>What the hell are you talking about?

>If Stele (or you) could simply provide us with
>the names and numbers of 'jewish controlled media
>sources' with references, that'd be something.

>As it is, you simply _insist_ that it is true,
>and that all the media sources are in fact controlled
>by jews.

I never said that Brian. I said the jews -dominate- the media, and
therefore have a virtual monopoly on it.  I also said they use the media
for their jewish agenda.  You're trying to play the Ted Turner card ("not
ALL" media bosses, etc.), the old "my exception is the rule" ruse.

Read this Brian and tell me what you think.  Regards.

1)  WALT DISNEY

a- The largest media conglomerate in the world today 

b- headed by Michael Eisner (jewish)

c- the Walt Disney Picture group is headed by Joe Roth (jewish) and
includes Touchstone Pictures and Caravan Pictures

d- Disney also owns Miramax pictures, which is headed by the Weinstein
brothers (jewish)

e- Disney owns Capital Cities/ABC, whose subsidiary ESPN, is headed by
president and CEO Steven Bornstein (jewish).

2)  TIME WARNER

a- the -second- largest media conglomerate in the world today, behind Walt
Disney

b- headed by CEO Michael Levin (jewish)

c- Time Warner's is the largest in the magazine publisher in the country
and includes Time, Sports Illustrated, People, and Fortune (headed by
Norman Pearlstine -- jewish)

d- Time Warner's subsidiary HBO is the country's largest pay-TV cable
network

e- Time Warner is also the world's largest record company.

3) VIACOM

a)  The third largest media conglomerate

b)  Headed by Sumner Redstone (born Murray Rothstein -- jewish).  Redstone
-actually- owns 76% of Viacom's shares ($3 billion).

c)  Viacom produces films through Paramount pictures which is headed by
Sherry Lansing (jewish)

d)  Produces and distributes TV programs for the three largest networks
and ows 12 television stations and 12 radio stations.

e)  Viacom's publishing division Prentic Hall Simon & Schuster, and Pocket
Books, and distributes videos through over 4,000 Blockbuster Video stores.

f)  Viacom is the world's largest provider of cable programming, most
notably through Showtime, MTV, and Nickelodeon.


NOTE:  The leadership of the top 3 media conglomerates Disney, Time
Warner, and Viacom is jewish.


4)  Most of the television and movie production companies that are not
owned by the largest corporations are also controlled by jews.  New World
Entertainment which is considered the premiere independent TV program
producer in the U.S. is owned by Ronald Perelman (jewish) who also owns
Revlon cosmetics.

5)  The chairman of New World is the former head of entertainment
programming at NBC, Brandon Tartikoff (jewish)

6)  The best known of the smaller media companies is DreamWorks SKG which
formed in 1994 by recording industry mogul David Geffen (jewish), former
Disney Pictures chairman Jeffrey Katzenbgerg (jewish), and film director
Steven Spielberg (jewish). With the cash and connections these three
possess it is likely that DreamWorld may soon be in the same league as the
big three media conglomerates.

7)  Two other large production companies, MCA and Universal Pictures, are
both owned by Seagram Company, Ltd., the liquor giant, whose president and
CEO is Edgar Bronfman. (jewish)  Edgar Bronfman is also president of the
World Jewish Congress.

8)  Films produced by the just the five largest motion picture companies
mentioned above -- Disney, Warner Brothers, Sony, Paramount (Viacom) and
Universal (Seagram) -- accounted for 74 per cent of the total box-office
receipts for 1995.

9)  The number five biggest media company is the Japanese Sony
Corporation, whose U.S. subsidiary, Sony Corporation of America, is run by
Michael Schulhof, a jew.  Alan J. Levin, another jew heads the Sony
Pictures division.

II)  Newspapers

Jews own the nation's 3 most prestigious and influential newspapers:  the
New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, and the Washington Post.  These 3
papers set the trends and guidelines for nearly all others.  They
originate the news; the others merely copy it.  

1)  The New York Times

a-  headed by CEO Arthur Ochs Sulzberger, Jr. (jewish)

b-  Executive editor is Max Frankel (jewish)

c-  Managing editor is Joseph Lelyveld (jewish)

d-  The Sulzberger familly also owns throught the New York Times Co. 33
other newspapers including the Boston Globe, 12 magazines including
McCall's and Family Circle with circulations of more than 5 million each.
7 radio and TV broadcasting companies.  

e-  The New York Times company transmits news stories, features, and
photographs by wire to 506 other newspapers, news agencies, and magazines.

2)  The Washington Post

a-  Headed by Katherine Meyer Graham (jewish).  She is principal
stockholder and chairman of the board of the Washington Post Co.

b-  Her son Donald is The Washington Post's publisher (jewish).

c-  The Washington Post Co, has a number of other media holdings in
newspapers, television, and magazines, most notably the nation's
number-two weekly newsmagazine, Newsweek.

d-  In a joint venture with the New York Times the Post publishes the
International Herald Tribune, the most widely distributed English language
daily in the world

3)  The Wall Street Journal

a-  Owned by the Dow Jones Company, whose chairman and CEO of Dow Jones is
Peter R. Kahn (jewish)

b-  The nation's largest circulation newspaper -- 1.8 million copies each
weekday.

c-  The Dow Jones company also publishes 24 other daily newspapers and the
weekly financial tabloid Barron's, among others.

4)  Other New York papers

a.  In January of 1993 the New York Daily News was bought from the estate
of the late jewish media mogul Robert Maxwell (born Ludvik Hoch -- jewish)
by the real-estate developer Mortimer Zuckerman (jewish).  The Village
Voice is owned by Leonard Stern (jewish) the billionaire owner of the
Hartz Mountain pet supply.

III)  A Note on the Purported "free competition" of the print Media

After TV news, daily newspapers are the most influential information
medium in America today. Sixty million of them are sold each day.  They
are divided into some 1500 publications.  

Does this large number of publications indicate there exists substantial
independence and competition within the media industry?  Hardly.

Out of the 1500 only 25% are independently owned, and out of that number
over 100 have circulation over 100,000.  Only a handful are large enough
to maintain independent reporting staffs outside their own communities;
the rest must depend on these few for all of their national and
international news.

In only 50 cities are there more than -one- daily newspaper, and
competition is frequently nominal even among them, as between morning and
afternoon editions under the same ownership.  For example, several cities
including Birmingham, AL., Springfield, Mass., and Syracuse, NY. have
morning and afternoon editions that are both owned by Advance
Publications, a holding company of the Newhouse brothers (jewish).  

IV.  The former top three TV networks ABC, NBC, and CBS and their current
status of ownership

The big three in television network broadcasting used to be ABC, CBS, and
NBC.  With the consolidation of the media empires, these three are no
longer independent entities.  While they -were- independent, however, each
was controlled by a jew since its inception:

1)  ABC:  by Leonard Goldenson (jewish)

a-- executive producers of ABC news programs are all jewish:  Victor S.
Neufeld (20/20), Bob Reichbloom (Good Morning America), and Rick Kaplan
(World News Tonight)

2)  CBS:  first by Willliam Paley (jewish) and then by Laurence Tisch
(jewish)

a-- recently purchased by Westinghouse Electric Corporation.  Nevertheless
the man appointed by Laurence Tisch, Eric Ober (jewish) remains president
of CBS News.

3)  NBC:  first by David Sarnoff and then by his son Robert Sarnoff (both
jewish)

a-- NBC is now owned by General Electric; however, the NBC news president
is Andrew Lack (a jew) as are executive producers Jeff Zucker (Today),
Jeff Gralnick (NBC Nightly News), and Neal Shapiro (Dateline).  

Also, for several decades these networks have been staffed from top to
bottom with jews.

V.  Other:  e.g., the top 3 newsmagazines 

1)  Time magazine  

a)  weekly circulation of 4.1 million.

b)  as mentioned before, Time magazine is part of the media conglomerate
Time Warner which is headed by Gerald Levin (jewish)

2) Newsweek 

a)  weekly circulation of 3.2 million.

b)  owned by Katherine Meyer Graham (jewish)

3) U.S. News and World Report

a)  weekly circulation of 2.3 million

b)  owned by Mortimer Zuckerman (jewish), who is also editor-in-chief of
the magazine

c)  Zuckerman also owns the Atlantic Monthly magazine and as mentioned
before, New York's tabloid newspaper the Daily News which is the 6th
largest paper in the country.

4)  the top publisher of children's books is Western Publishing, with more
than 50% of the market.  Its chairman and CEO is Richard Snyder (jewish)
who just replaced Richard Bernstein (jewish)  

5)   Note of the Newhouse media empire:  founded by the late Samuel
Newhouse, a jewish immigrant from Russia.  Now run by his two son Samuel
and Donald Newhouse. Newhouse owns 26 daily newspaper which include the
top newspapers of Cleveland, Newark, and New Orleans.  Newhouse
Broadcasting consists of 12 television broadcasting stations and 87
cable-TV systems, including some of the largest cable networks; the Sunday
supplement _Parade_, with a circulation of more than 22 million copies per
week; some two dozen major magazines, including the New Yorker, Vogue,
Mademoiselle, Glamour, Vanity Fair, Bride's, GQ, Self, House & Garden, and
all the other magazines of the wholly owned Conde Nast group.


VI.  Gentile media ownership and control

Ted Turner:  amassed a fortune in advertising and built a large and
successful cable-TV news network. Turner made a bid to takeover CBS.  To
block the bid CBS invited billionaire theater, hotel, insurance, and
cigarette magnate Laurence Tisch (jewish) to launch a "friendly" takeover
of the company, and from 1986 till 1995 Tisch was the chairman and CEO of
CBS, removing any threat of non-jewish influence there. Subsequent effort
by Turner to acquire a major network have been obstructed by Levin's Time
Warner, which owns nearly 20 percent of CBS stock and has veto power over
major deals.  Subsequently, jewish newsman Daniel Schorr, who had worked
for Turner, publicly charged that his former boss held a personal dislike
for jews.

Turner employs a number of jews in key executive and managment positions
at CNN. Turner has never take public positions contrary to jewish
interests.  Despite being an innovator and garnering headlines, Turner has
never commanded the wealth and power to be a true media master. 
Furthermore, he has discussed a deal with Time Warner to merge, which
would make Time Warner the number one media conglomerate, and Levin would
become Ted Turner's boss.  Turner may have decided if you can't beat 'em,
join 'em.

Rupert Murdoch:  owns the fourth largest media company, News Corporation,
which owns Fox Television Network and 20th Century Fox Films, both of
which are headed by Peter Chermin (jewish). Murdoch has never take public
positions contrary to jewish interests.  

Even those newspapers still until under Gentile ownership and management
are so thoroughly dependent upon jewish advertising revenue that their
editorial and news reporting policies are largely contrained by jewish
likes and dislikes.  It holds true in the newspaper business as elsewhere
that he who pays the piper calls the tune.

VII.  CONCLUSION:  the control of the opinion-molding media is nearly
monolithic.  All of the controlled media -- television, radio, newspaper,
magazines, books, motion pictures -- speak with a single voice, each
reinforcing each other.  Despite the appearance of variety, there is no
real dissent, no alternative source of facts or ideas accessible to the
great mass of people which might allow them to form opinions at odds with
those of the media masters. They are presented with a single view of the
world -- a world in which -every- voice proclaims the equality of the
races, the inerrant nature of the jewish "holocaust" tale, the immorality
of attempting to halt the hordes of third world immigrants pouring into
America, and the desirability of genocidal race-mixing.  And we have just
seen that the media masters are to a large extent jewish.

The jews dominate the media ownership and control.  Yet how is it that
virtually -noone- discusses this incredible and significant fact.  The
media for some reason never reports mentions this fact.  The fact of media
ownership and control is highly significant fact because those who control
the media wield incredible power to mold the public opinions.  

Would it be too -extreme- to say that the media has effectively
-concealed- this fact? 

Do the media have the power to further orthodoxy to the Holocaust tale? 
Yes.  Are the media masters using their power to further orthodoxy to the
Holocaust tale? Yes.  If revisionism -is- true and the holocaust is
largely false, can this truth ever be given a hearing, much less a -fair-
hearing with the current status of media ownership?  No.  Is it any wonder
why the public does not know of the revisionist position and of the body
of facts in its favor?  No. Is it wonder why the public does not know of
the evidentiary deficiencies of the Holocaust tale? No. Considering the
fact that the media was heavily jewish at the time of WWII as well, along
with the torture, coercion, and obvious one-sidednessness of the WWII
"warcrime trials," as well as the benefit the jews received and receive
>from  the Holocaust tale, is it plausible that an anti-German hoax that
serves jewish interest could have been perpetrated and given wide
publicity and acceptance?  Yes.

Do the same jewish power which conceals from the public the fact of its
overwhelming media dominance also have the power to conceal the truth
about the Holocaust tale as well? 

Yes.

Kurt Stele


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1)  WALT DISNEY

a- The largest media conglomerate in the world today 

b- headed by Michael Eisner (jewish)

c- the Walt Disney Picture group is headed by Joe Roth (jewish) and
includes Touchstone Pictures and Caravan Pictures

d- Disney also owns Miramax pictures, which is headed by the Weinstein
brothers (jewish)

e- Disney owns Capital Cities/ABC, whose subsidiary ESPN, is headed by
president and CEO Steven Bornstein (jewish).

2)  TIME WARNER

a- the -second- largest media conglomerate in the world today, behind Walt
Disney

b- headed by CEO Michael Levin (jewish)

c- Time Warner's is the largest in the magazine publisher in the country
and includes Time, Sports Illustrated, People, and Fortune (headed by
Norman Pearlstine -- jewish)

d- Time Warner's subsidiary HBO is the country's largest pay-TV cable
network

e- Time Warner is also the world's largest record company.

3) VIACOM

a)  The third largest media conglomerate

b)  Headed by Sumner Redstone (born Murray Rothstein -- jewish).  Redstone
-actually- owns 76% of Viacom's shares ($3 billion).

c)  Viacom produces films through Paramount pictures which is headed by
Sherry Lansing (jewish)

d)  Produces and distributes TV programs for the three largest networks
and ows 12 television stations and 12 radio stations.

e)  Viacom's publishing division Prentic Hall Simon & Schuster, and Pocket
Books, and distributes videos through over 4,000 Blockbuster Video stores.

f)  Viacom is the world's largest provider of cable programming, most
notably through Showtime, MTV, and Nickelodeon.


NOTE:  The leadership of the top 3 media conglomerates Disney, Time
Warner, and Viacom is jewish.


4)  Most of the television and movie production companies that are not
owned by the largest corporations are also controlled by jews.  New World
Entertainment which is considered the premiere independent TV program
producer in the U.S. is owned by Ronald Perelman (jewish) who also owns
Revlon cosmetics.

5)  The chairman of New World is the former head of entertainment
programming at NBC, Brandon Tartikoff (jewish)

6)  The best known of the smaller media companies is DreamWorks SKG which
formed in 1994 by recording industry mogul David Geffen (jewish), former
Disney Pictures chairman Jeffrey Katzenbgerg (jewish), and film director
Steven Spielberg (jewish). With the cash and connections these three
possess it is likely that DreamWorld may soon be in the same league as the
big three media conglomerates.

7)  Two other large production companies, MCA and Universal Pictures, are
both owned by Seagram Company, Ltd., the liquor giant, whose president and
CEO is Edgar Bronfman. (jewish)  Edgar Bronfman is also president of the
World Jewish Congress.

8)  Films produced by the just the five largest motion picture companies
mentioned above -- Disney, Warner Brothers, Sony, Paramount (Viacom) and
Universal (Seagram) -- accounted for 74 per cent of the total box-office
receipts for 1995.

9)  The number five biggest media company is the Japanese Sony
Corporation, whose U.S. subsidiary, Sony Corporation of America, is run by
Michael Schulhof, a jew.  Alan J. Levin, another jew heads the Sony
Pictures division.

II)  Newspapers

Jews own the nation's 3 most prestigious and influential newspapers:  the
New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, and the Washington Post.  These 3
papers set the trends and guidelines for nearly all others.  They
originate the news; the others merely copy it.  

1)  The New York Times

a-  headed by CEO Arthur Ochs Sulzberger, Jr. (jewish)

b-  Executive editor is Max Frankel (jewish)

c-  Managing editor is Joseph Lelyveld (jewish)

d-  The Sulzberger familly also owns throught the New York Times Co. 33
other newspapers including the Boston Globe, 12 magazines including
McCall's and Family Circle with circulations of more than 5 million each.
7 radio and TV broadcasting companies.  

e-  The New York Times company transmits news stories, features, and
photographs by wire to 506 other newspapers, news agencies, and magazines.

2)  The Washington Post

a-  Headed by Katherine Meyer Graham (jewish).  She is principal
stockholder and chairman of the board of the Washington Post Co.

b-  Her son Donald is The Washington Post's publisher (jewish).

c-  The Washington Post Co, has a number of other media holdings in
newspapers, television, and magazines, most notably the nation's
number-two weekly newsmagazine, Newsweek.

d-  In a joint venture with the New York Times the Post publishes the
International Herald Tribune, the most widely distributed English language
daily in the world

3)  The Wall Street Journal

a-  Owned by the Dow Jones Company, whose chairman and CEO of Dow Jones is
Peter R. Kahn (jewish)

b-  The nation's largest circulation newspaper -- 1.8 million copies each
weekday.

c-  The Dow Jones company also publishes 24 other daily newspapers and the
weekly financial tabloid Barron's, among others.

4)  Other New York papers

a.  In January of 1993 the New York Daily News was bought from the estate
of the late jewish media mogul Robert Maxwell (born Ludvik Hoch -- jewish)
by the real-estate developer Mortimer Zuckerman (jewish).  The Village
Voice is owned by Leonard Stern (jewish) the billionaire owner of the
Hartz Mountain pet supply.

III)  A Note on the Purported "free competition" of the print Media

After TV news, daily newspapers are the most influential information
medium in America today. Sixty million of them are sold each day.  They
are divided into some 1500 publications.  

Does this large number of publications indicate there exists substantial
independence and competition within the media industry?  Hardly.

Out of the 1500 only 25% are independently owned, and out of that number
over 100 have circulation over 100,000.  Only a handful are large enough
to maintain independent reporting staffs outside their own communities;
the rest must depend on these few for all of their national and
international news.

In only 50 cities are there more than -one- daily newspaper, and
competition is frequently nominal even among them, as between morning and
afternoon editions under the same ownership.  For example, several cities
including Birmingham, AL., Springfield, Mass., and Syracuse, NY. have
morning and afternoon editions that are both owned by Advance
Publications, a holding company of the Newhouse brothers (jewish).  

IV.  The former top three TV networks ABC, NBC, and CBS and their current
status of ownership

The big three in television network broadcasting used to be ABC, CBS, and
NBC.  With the consolidation of the media empires, these three are no
longer independent entities.  While they -were- independent, however, each
was controlled by a jew since its inception:

1)  ABC:  by Leonard Goldenson (jewish)

a-- executive producers of ABC news programs are all jewish:  Victor S.
Neufeld (20/20), Bob Reichbloom (Good Morning America), and Rick Kaplan
(World News Tonight)

2)  CBS:  first by Willliam Paley (jewish) and then by Laurence Tisch
(jewish)

a-- recently purchased by Westinghouse Electric Corporation.  Nevertheless
the man appointed by Laurence Tisch, Eric Ober (jewish) remains president
of CBS News.

3)  NBC:  first by David Sarnoff and then by his son Robert Sarnoff (both
jewish)

a-- NBC is now owned by General Electric; however, the NBC news president
is Andrew Lack (a jew) as are executive producers Jeff Zucker (Today),
Jeff Gralnick (NBC Nightly News), and Neal Shapiro (Dateline).  

Also, for several decades these networks have been staffed from top to
bottom with jews.

V.  Other:  e.g., the top 3 newsmagazines 

1)  Time magazine  

a)  weekly circulation of 4.1 million.

b)  as mentioned before, Time magazine is part of the media conglomerate
Time Warner which is headed by Gerald Levin (jewish)

2) Newsweek 

a)  weekly circulation of 3.2 million.

b)  owned by Katherine Meyer Graham (jewish)

3) U.S. News and World Report

a)  weekly circulation of 2.3 million

b)  owned by Mortimer Zuckerman (jewish), who is also editor-in-chief of
the magazine

c)  Zuckerman also owns the Atlantic Monthly magazine and as mentioned
before, New York's tabloid newspaper the Daily News which is the 6th
largest paper in the country.

4)  the top publisher of children's books is Western Publishing, with more
than 50% of the market.  Its chairman and CEO is Richard Snyder (jewish)
who just replaced Richard Bernstein (jewish)  

5)   Note of the Newhouse media empire:  founded by the late Samuel
Newhouse, a jewish immigrant from Russia.  Now run by his two son Samuel
and Donald Newhouse. Newhouse owns 26 daily newspaper which include the
top newspapers of Cleveland, Newark, and New Orleans.  Newhouse
Broadcasting consists of 12 television broadcasting stations and 87
cable-TV systems, including some of the largest cable networks; the Sunday
supplement _Parade_, with a circulation of more than 22 million copies per
week; some two dozen major magazines, including the New Yorker, Vogue,
Mademoiselle, Glamour, Vanity Fair, Bride's, GQ, Self, House & Garden, and
all the other magazines of the wholly owned Conde Nast group.


VI.  Gentile media ownership and control

Ted Turner:  amassed a fortune in advertising and built a large and
successful cable-TV news network. Turner made a bid to takeover CBS.  To
block the bid CBS invited billionaire theater, hotel, insurance, and
cigarette magnate Laurence Tisch (jewish) to launch a "friendly" takeover
of the company, and from 1986 till 1995 Tisch was the chairman and CEO of
CBS, removing any threat of non-jewish influence there. Subsequent effort
by Turner to acquire a major network have been obstructed by Levin's Time
Warner, which owns nearly 20 percent of CBS stock and has veto power over
major deals.  Subsequently, jewish newsman Daniel Schorr, who had worked
for Turner, publicly charged that his former boss held a personal dislike
for jews.

Turner employs a number of jews in key executive and managment positions
at CNN. Turner has never take public positions contrary to jewish
interests.  Despite being an innovator and garnering headlines, Turner has
never commanded the wealth and power to be a true media master. 
Furthermore, he has discussed a deal with Time Warner to merge, which
would make Time Warner the number one media conglomerate, and Levin would
become Ted Turner's boss.  Turner may have decided if you can't beat 'em,
join 'em.

Rupert Murdoch:  owns the fourth largest media company, News Corporation,
which owns Fox Television Network and 20th Century Fox Films, both of
which are headed by Peter Chermin (jewish). Murdoch has never take public
positions contrary to jewish interests.  

Even those newspapers still until under Gentile ownership and management
are so thoroughly dependent upon jewish advertising revenue that their
editorial and news reporting policies are largely contrained by jewish
likes and dislikes.  It holds true in the newspaper business as elsewhere
that he who pays the piper calls the tune.

VII.  CONCLUSION:  the control of the opinion-molding media is nearly
monolithic.  All of the controlled media -- television, radio, newspaper,
magazines, books, motion pictures -- speak with a single voice, each
reinforcing each other.  Despite the appearance of variety, there is no
real dissent, no alternative source of facts or ideas accessible to the
great mass of people which might allow them to form opinions at odds with
those of the media masters. They are presented with a single view of the
world -- a world in which -every- voice proclaims the equality of the
races, the inerrant nature of the jewish "holocaust" tale, the immorality
of attempting to halt the hordes of third world immigrants pouring into
America, and the desirability of genocidal race-mixing.  And we have just
seen that the media masters are to a large extent jewish.

The jews dominate the media ownership and control.  Yet how is it that
virtually -noone- discusses this incredible and significant fact.  The
media for some reason never reports mentions this fact.  The fact of media
ownership and control is highly significant fact because those who control
the media wield incredible power to mold the public opinions.  

Would it be too -extreme- to say that the media has effectively
-concealed- this fact? 

Do the media have the power to further orthodoxy to the Holocaust tale? 
Yes.  Are the media masters using their power to further orthodoxy to the
Holocaust tale? Yes.  If revisionism -is- true and the holocaust is
largely false, can this truth ever be given a hearing, much less a -fair-
hearing with the current status of media ownership?  No.  Is it any wonder
why the public does not know of the revisionist position and of the body
of facts in its favor?  No. Is it wonder why the public does not know of
the evidentiary deficiencies of the Holocaust tale? No. Considering the
fact that the media was heavily jewish at the time of WWII as well, along
with the torture, coercion, and obvious one-sidednessness of the WWII
"warcrime trials," as well as the benefit the jews received and receive
>from  the Holocaust tale, is it plausible that an anti-German hoax that
serves jewish interest could have been perpetrated and given wide
publicity and acceptance?  Yes.

Do the same jewish power which conceals from the public the fact of its
overwhelming media dominance also have the power to conceal the truth
about the Holocaust tale as well? 

Yes.

Kurt Stele


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From: kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Holohuggers:  jewish economic boycotts are OK
Date: 27 Aug 1996 22:15:34 -0400
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yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>   kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele) writes:
>>  yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>  >>   kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele) writes:
>>  >  
>>  >>  Holohuggers claim that jewish economic boycotts are OK.  They
claim
>>  that
>>  >>  jewish boycotts are no different than Baptist boycotts or
Greenpeace
>>  >>  boycotts.
>>  
>>  >	What's the difference.
>>  
>>  >  
>>  >>  It's just so happens, though, that jewish-money power is far more
>>  powerful
>>  >>  and cohesive than any other group.  The influence and cohesion of
any
>>  >>  other group pales in comparison to the power of the jews.
>  
>>  >	In other words , in your opinion, it evil becasue they it better.

>>  Yale, good and bad are meaningful judgments only in relation to the
>>  effects jewish money-power and media control have on the particular
race
>>  subjected to them. Without a doubt they are harmful to Whites. The
jewish
>>  media and the jewish money-power which backs it espouse anti-White
>>  propaganda, values, and policies, including race-mixing, third world
>>  immigration, and multiculturalism. The jewish media establishment also
>>  attacks as immoral any and all attempts by Whites to protect their
gene
>>  pool from racial pollution, which is the only way a race may prevent
its
>>  own self-genocide by race-mixing. 

>A lot of words to express a simple idea.  You do not like Jewish 
>boycotts because the work.  Jews are, in your opinion, not permitted to
express 
>their opinions because when those ideas are placed in the marketplace of
ideas, 
>they win.

Exactly. I do not like them precisely because they work to further the
jewish agenda and to silence and punish dissent to it.  I dislike it
because I realize the jewish agenda is incongruent and inexorably contrary
to the interests of Whites.  

I also do not like the jewish economic boycott because our society
cynically pretends to be "democratic" and "pluralistic" yet the only view
generally permitted are the views the jews allow. 

Any views which jews wish to prevent from reaching a mainstream audience,
the jews just use their money-power to pull the plug on it, as they did
with St. Martin's and David Irving's contract. Or the jewish media will
censor the view by prior restraint or create a bias against the view,
e.g., with revisionism. 

Since jewish money-power calls the tune in the  marketplace of ideas, let
us have no more bullshit-talk about "pluralism" and other pretensions. If
we must endure jewish domination, we can at least cut down on the
hypocrisy.

Let it be known:  jewish money calls the shots, and the jews own the media
and use it to censor, revile, and impugn people and ideas they don't like.
 Let's not have any more bullshit-talk about people being free to express
any ideas they wish.  If jews decide to, their economic boycott will ruin
the dissenter financially, and unless he is already impoverished he can no
more oppose that then he can oppose a gun in his back.

Kurt Stele


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Subject: Re: Holohuggers:  jewish economic boycotts are OK
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amatthews@cybercom.net (Allan Matthews) wrote:

>In article <4vmpbh$psf@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt
Stele) wrote:
>>
>>Holohuggers claim that jewish economic boycotts are OK.  

>Please show some proof of this statement.  


>>They claim that
>>jewish boycotts are no different than Baptist boycotts or Greenpeace
>>boycotts.


>Just who are "they" anyway?  You can generally find someone who'll
support 
>just about any position.  For example, there may even be someone around
here 
>who would say you're intelligent.  Of course it won't be those of us who 
>really are.

>>It's just so happens, though, that jewish-money power is far more
powerful
>>and cohesive than any other group.  

>Your basis for this assertion is?

>>The influence and cohesion of any
>>other group pales in comparison to the power of the jews.  

>Really, how can you tell?   I thought this was true of industrialists,
but 
>Jews?

>>Hollywood can
>>make movies all they want depicting priests as swaggering drunks or
>>psychopathic killers, 

>What movies show priests as killers (there probably are alcoholic
priests, 
>just like every other occupation)?  

>>or Whites or Arabs potrayed as insane bigots and
>>mindless terrorists, but when does one ever see a negative jewish
>>stereotype on the silver screen? 

>They did in the good, ole 3rd Reich 'n Roll...   Given their place in
history 
>that put a bit of a damper on such things.  However,  I also recall there

>being complaints about such stereotyping in an animated version of the
life of 
>Jesus put out by some Christian fundies not too long ago.   

At least the Reich never denied its bias.  It made no bones about it.  The
hypocritical jewish media claims it doesn't contain biases, and that its
biases aren't in favor of jews.  That's a laugh.  

>>How many movies have ever been made in
>>Hollywood and given box-office fanfare which depict the truth of
>>Palestinians being tortured and killed by Israelis and driven out of
their
>>land by military force or placed in concentration camps? 

>That really sounds like a box office winner.   Hollywood, afterall, is 
>primarily out to make money, not make political statements.  But then 
>economics, like any advanced topic, is obviously beyond you.

Virtually any historical event can be made the subject matter of a
box-office winner if it is given sufficient funding and industry backing. 
For example, "In the Name of the Father" starring Daniel Day Lewis was
about British injustices committed against Irish, and how the British
prison system treated Irish dissidents. Day's character was wrongly
accused, denied due process, tortured until he gave an untrue confession,
and then thrown into jail for several years.  

There could easily be a movie about Palestinians similar to "In the Name
of the Father."  Goodness knows the director of that film could have a
large and diverse selection of varying atrocities committed by Israelis
against Palestinians to choose from.

Several movies that have been box office hits have been about historical
events and injustices committed by one people against another.  However,
for some reason, however, there have been no box office movies ever made
which recounts the injustices of Israelis or jews against any people. Gee,
I wonder why.

Jewish Hollywood refuses to make movies about brutality of Israelis
against Palestinians not because the subject matter is inappropriate for a
box-office movie but rather because it is against the pro-jewish agenda
and wishes of jewish Hollywood.   

There is nothing inherently more "movie-worthy" about jewish alleged
injustices than those of any other people.  The only difference is that
jews run Hollywood like they do all other aspects of the media and have
the power to decide whch kinds of movies will given box office fare and
which will not.

>Write a decent screenplay and shop it around.  Perhaps you could get
Saddam 
>Hussein to put the bucks for it up (afterall, as you've failed to 
>prove, Hollywood's controlled by them nasty Joos).   By the way, just
where 
>are these concentration camps?  Or are you just relabeling refugee camps?
  

>>A small minority wields the power to call the tune for the society at
>>large. 

>Yes, they're called the rich and in the US they're overwhelmingly
Christian.  

>>Such a disproportionate concentration of power completely renders
>>nugatory the vaunted claims of a supposedly democratic society.

>Gee, I never would have pegged you for a Marxist-Leninist...

>>Kurt Stele

>who's still completely clueless.

NO movies are ever made against Jews

>allan

>p.s. do joos control the internet too?  And if so, what are you doing
here?

they don't yet, Allan. But they're working on it.  Just give them some
time.  

First they'll probably try to buy up the providers. Then get a monopoly on
Internet service. Alongside, The Simon Weisenthal Center will be pulling
strings to try to get "thoughtcrime" legislation passed here the way you
holohuggers have passed it in Germany and elsewhere.

Have faith, Allan.  Give it time.

Kurt Stele


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kmcvay@nizkor.org (Ken McVay OBC) wrote:

>In article <4vr6kg$nks@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, 
>kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele) wrote, in response to concise
>questions regarding the number of media outlets in North
>America:

>[nothing of substance]

>It is increasingly clear that Mr. "Stele" has absolutely no
>idea how many media outlets there are, and yet he continues to
>prattle about "Jewish control."

>Why am I not surprised?

>http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/m/mcvay-ken/jewish-media-control.html

>I guess it's about time for "Mr. Stele" to slink away, tail
>between legs, and "Mr. Isen" to appear, eh? That seems to be
>the usual pattern when one pseudo is shown to be nothing more
>than a repeat of the "I don't know squat" School of Bigotry.

>-- 
>Nizkor Canada          | http://www.nizkor.org
>-----------------------| Remember John Hron
>                       |--------------------------------------
>     http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/h/hron-john/


It is has been pointed out to you, Mr. McVay, that jews head, own, or run
all major newspapers and media companies -- even the goy Rupert Murdoch's.
 You have presented -no- evidence to rebut the above.  Corporate officers
have the power to make policy decisions for the company.  Jews comprise
the head corporate officers in nearly all media companies.  

In addition to jews running the media companies, jews are also employed in
various strata within those jew-run media companies from top to bottom,
including an overrepresentation of jewish journalists. 

Might I remind you:  

1)  WALT DISNEY

a- The largest media conglomerate in the world today 

b- headed by Michael Eisner (jewish)

c- the Walt Disney Picture group is headed by Joe Roth (jewish) and
includes Touchstone Pictures and Caravan Pictures

d- Disney also owns Miramax pictures, which is headed by the Weinstein
brothers (jewish)

e- Disney owns Capital Cities/ABC, whose subsidiary ESPN, is headed by
president and CEO Steven Bornstein (jewish).

2)  TIME WARNER

a- the -second- largest media conglomerate in the world today, behind Walt
Disney

b- headed by CEO Michael Levin (jewish)

c- Time Warner's is the largest in the magazine publisher in the country
and includes Time, Sports Illustrated, People, and Fortune (headed by
Norman Pearlstine -- jewish)

d- Time Warner's subsidiary HBO is the country's largest pay-TV cable
network

e- Time Warner is also the world's largest record company.

3) VIACOM

a)  The third largest media conglomerate

b)  Headed by Sumner Redstone (born Murray Rothstein -- jewish).  Redstone
-actually- owns 76% of Viacom's shares ($3 billion).

c)  Viacom produces films through Paramount pictures which is headed by
Sherry Lansing (jewish)

d)  Produces and distributes TV programs for the three largest networks
and ows 12 television stations and 12 radio stations.

e)  Viacom's publishing division Prentic Hall Simon & Schuster, and Pocket
Books, and distributes videos through over 4,000 Blockbuster Video stores.

f)  Viacom is the world's largest provider of cable programming, most
notably through Showtime, MTV, and Nickelodeon.


NOTE:  The leadership of the top 3 media conglomerates Disney, Time
Warner, and Viacom is jewish.


4)  Most of the television and movie production companies that are not
owned by the largest corporations are also controlled by jews.  New World
Entertainment which is considered the premiere independent TV program
producer in the U.S. is owned by Ronald Perelman (jewish) who also owns
Revlon cosmetics.

5)  The chairman of New World is the former head of entertainment
programming at NBC, Brandon Tartikoff (jewish)

6)  The best known of the smaller media companies is DreamWorks SKG which
formed in 1994 by recording industry mogul David Geffen (jewish), former
Disney Pictures chairman Jeffrey Katzenbgerg (jewish), and film director
Steven Spielberg (jewish). With the cash and connections these three
possess it is likely that DreamWorld may soon be in the same league as the
big three media conglomerates.

7)  Two other large production companies, MCA and Universal Pictures, are
both owned by Seagram Company, Ltd., the liquor giant, whose president and
CEO is Edgar Bronfman. (jewish)  Edgar Bronfman is also president of the
World Jewish Congress.

8)  Films produced by the just the five largest motion picture companies
mentioned above -- Disney, Warner Brothers, Sony, Paramount (Viacom) and
Universal (Seagram) -- accounted for 74 per cent of the total box-office
receipts for 1995.

9)  The number five biggest media company is the Japanese Sony
Corporation, whose U.S. subsidiary, Sony Corporation of America, is run by
Michael Schulhof, a jew.  Alan J. Levin, another jew heads the Sony
Pictures division.

II)  Newspapers

Jews own the nation's 3 most prestigious and influential newspapers:  the
New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, and the Washington Post.  These 3
papers set the trends and guidelines for nearly all others.  They
originate the news; the others merely copy it.  

1)  The New York Times

a-  headed by CEO Arthur Ochs Sulzberger, Jr. (jewish)

b-  Executive editor is Max Frankel (jewish)

c-  Managing editor is Joseph Lelyveld (jewish)

d-  The Sulzberger familly also owns throught the New York Times Co. 33
other newspapers including the Boston Globe, 12 magazines including
McCall's and Family Circle with circulations of more than 5 million each.
7 radio and TV broadcasting companies.  

e-  The New York Times company transmits news stories, features, and
photographs by wire to 506 other newspapers, news agencies, and magazines.

2)  The Washington Post

a-  Headed by Katherine Meyer Graham (jewish).  She is principal
stockholder and chairman of the board of the Washington Post Co.

b-  Her son Donald is The Washington Post's publisher (jewish).

c-  The Washington Post Co, has a number of other media holdings in
newspapers, television, and magazines, most notably the nation's
number-two weekly newsmagazine, Newsweek.

d-  In a joint venture with the New York Times the Post publishes the
International Herald Tribune, the most widely distributed English language
daily in the world

3)  The Wall Street Journal

a-  Owned by the Dow Jones Company, whose chairman and CEO of Dow Jones is
Peter R. Kahn (jewish)

b-  The nation's largest circulation newspaper -- 1.8 million copies each
weekday.

c-  The Dow Jones company also publishes 24 other daily newspapers and the
weekly financial tabloid Barron's, among others.

4)  Other New York papers

a.  In January of 1993 the New York Daily News was bought from the estate
of the late jewish media mogul Robert Maxwell (born Ludvik Hoch -- jewish)
by the real-estate developer Mortimer Zuckerman (jewish).  The Village
Voice is owned by Leonard Stern (jewish) the billionaire owner of the
Hartz Mountain pet supply.

III)  A Note on the Purported "free competition" of the print Media

After TV news, daily newspapers are the most influential information
medium in America today. Sixty million of them are sold each day.  They
are divided into some 1500 publications.  

Does this large number of publications indicate there exists substantial
independence and competition within the media industry?  Hardly.

Out of the 1500 only 25% are independently owned, and out of that number
over 100 have circulation over 100,000.  Only a handful are large enough
to maintain independent reporting staffs outside their own communities;
the rest must depend on these few for all of their national and
international news.

In only 50 cities are there more than -one- daily newspaper, and
competition is frequently nominal even among them, as between morning and
afternoon editions under the same ownership.  For example, several cities
including Birmingham, AL., Springfield, Mass., and Syracuse, NY. have
morning and afternoon editions that are both owned by Advance
Publications, a holding company of the Newhouse brothers (jewish).  

IV.  The former top three TV networks ABC, NBC, and CBS and their current
status of ownership

The big three in television network broadcasting used to be ABC, CBS, and
NBC.  With the consolidation of the media empires, these three are no
longer independent entities.  While they -were- independent, however, each
was controlled by a jew since its inception:

1)  ABC:  by Leonard Goldenson (jewish)

a-- executive producers of ABC news programs are all jewish:  Victor S.
Neufeld (20/20), Bob Reichbloom (Good Morning America), and Rick Kaplan
(World News Tonight)

2)  CBS:  first by Willliam Paley (jewish) and then by Laurence Tisch
(jewish)

a-- recently purchased by Westinghouse Electric Corporation.  Nevertheless
the man appointed by Laurence Tisch, Eric Ober (jewish) remains president
of CBS News.

3)  NBC:  first by David Sarnoff and then by his son Robert Sarnoff (both
jewish)

a-- NBC is now owned by General Electric; however, the NBC news president
is Andrew Lack (a jew) as are executive producers Jeff Zucker (Today),
Jeff Gralnick (NBC Nightly News), and Neal Shapiro (Dateline).  

Also, for several decades these networks have been staffed from top to
bottom with jews.

V.  Other:  e.g., the top 3 newsmagazines 

1)  Time magazine  

a)  weekly circulation of 4.1 million.

b)  as mentioned before, Time magazine is part of the media conglomerate
Time Warner which is headed by Gerald Levin (jewish)

2) Newsweek 

a)  weekly circulation of 3.2 million.

b)  owned by Katherine Meyer Graham (jewish)

3) U.S. News and World Report

a)  weekly circulation of 2.3 million

b)  owned by Mortimer Zuckerman (jewish), who is also editor-in-chief of
the magazine

c)  Zuckerman also owns the Atlantic Monthly magazine and as mentioned
before, New York's tabloid newspaper the Daily News which is the 6th
largest paper in the country.

4)  the top publisher of children's books is Western Publishing, with more
than 50% of the market.  Its chairman and CEO is Richard Snyder (jewish)
who just replaced Richard Bernstein (jewish)  

5)   Note of the Newhouse media empire:  founded by the late Samuel
Newhouse, a jewish immigrant from Russia.  Now run by his two son Samuel
and Donald Newhouse. Newhouse owns 26 daily newspaper which include the
top newspapers of Cleveland, Newark, and New Orleans.  Newhouse
Broadcasting consists of 12 television broadcasting stations and 87
cable-TV systems, including some of the largest cable networks; the Sunday
supplement _Parade_, with a circulation of more than 22 million copies per
week; some two dozen major magazines, including the New Yorker, Vogue,
Mademoiselle, Glamour, Vanity Fair, Bride's, GQ, Self, House & Garden, and
all the other magazines of the wholly owned Conde Nast group.


VI.  Gentile media ownership and control

Ted Turner:  amassed a fortune in advertising and built a large and
successful cable-TV news network. Turner made a bid to takeover CBS.  To
block the bid CBS invited billionaire theater, hotel, insurance, and
cigarette magnate Laurence Tisch (jewish) to launch a "friendly" takeover
of the company, and from 1986 till 1995 Tisch was the chairman and CEO of
CBS, removing any threat of non-jewish influence there. Subsequent effort
by Turner to acquire a major network have been obstructed by Levin's Time
Warner, which owns nearly 20 percent of CBS stock and has veto power over
major deals.  Subsequently, jewish newsman Daniel Schorr, who had worked
for Turner, publicly charged that his former boss held a personal dislike
for jews.

Turner employs a number of jews in key executive and managment positions
at CNN. Turner has never take public positions contrary to jewish
interests.  Despite being an innovator and garnering headlines, Turner has
never commanded the wealth and power to be a true media master. 
Furthermore, he has discussed a deal with Time Warner to merge, which
would make Time Warner the number one media conglomerate, and Levin would
become Ted Turner's boss.  Turner may have decided if you can't beat 'em,
join 'em.

Rupert Murdoch:  owns the fourth largest media company, News Corporation,
which owns Fox Television Network and 20th Century Fox Films, both of
which are headed by Peter Chermin (jewish). Murdoch has never take public
positions contrary to jewish interests.  

Even those newspapers still until under Gentile ownership and management
are so thoroughly dependent upon jewish advertising revenue that their
editorial and news reporting policies are largely contrained by jewish
likes and dislikes.  It holds true in the newspaper business as elsewhere
that he who pays the piper calls the tune.

VII.  CONCLUSION:  the control of the opinion-molding media is nearly
monolithic.  All of the controlled media -- television, radio, newspaper,
magazines, books, motion pictures -- speak with a single voice, each
reinforcing each other.  Despite the appearance of variety, there is no
real dissent, no alternative source of facts or ideas accessible to the
great mass of people which might allow them to form opinions at odds with
those of the media masters. They are presented with a single view of the
world -- a world in which -every- voice proclaims the equality of the
races, the inerrant nature of the jewish "holocaust" tale, the immorality
of attempting to halt the hordes of third world immigrants pouring into
America, and the desirability of genocidal race-mixing.  And we have just
seen that the media masters are to a large extent jewish.

The jews dominate the media ownership and control.  Yet how is it that
virtually -noone- discusses this incredible and significant fact.  The
media for some reason never reports mentions this fact.  The fact of media
ownership and control is highly significant fact because those who control
the media wield incredible power to mold the public opinions.  

Would it be too -extreme- to say that the media has effectively
-concealed- this fact? 

Do the media have the power to further orthodoxy to the Holocaust tale? 
Yes.  Are the media masters using their power to further orthodoxy to the
Holocaust tale? Yes.  If revisionism -is- true and the holocaust is
largely false, can this truth ever be given a hearing, much less a -fair-
hearing with the current status of media ownership?  No.  Is it any wonder
why the public does not know of the revisionist position and of the body
of facts in its favor?  No. Is it wonder why the public does not know of
the evidentiary deficiencies of the Holocaust tale? No. Considering the
fact that the media was heavily jewish at the time of WWII as well, along
with the torture, coercion, and obvious one-sidednessness of the WWII
"warcrime trials," as well as the benefit the jews received and receive
>from  the Holocaust tale, is it plausible that an anti-German hoax that
serves jewish interest could have been perpetrated and given wide
publicity and acceptance?  Yes.

Do the same jewish power which conceals from the public the fact of its
overwhelming media dominance also have the power to conceal the truth
about the Holocaust tale as well? 

Yes.

Kurt Stele


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From: kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele)
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Subject: Re: Stele: "I still can't make my case..."
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Mr. McVay, the jews run all major media companies and own the top three
newspapers in this country.  They have made a virtually clean sweep of
media leadership.  Given their leadership, it is fair to assume that jews
have the power to control the media.  That is a fair conclusion.  You have
presented no evidence that the jewish media corporate heads don't have
power to control their respective media companies.

Remember. Do not forget:

1)  WALT DISNEY

a- The largest media conglomerate in the world today 

b- headed by Michael Eisner (jewish)

c- the Walt Disney Picture group is headed by Joe Roth (jewish) and
includes Touchstone Pictures and Caravan Pictures

d- Disney also owns Miramax pictures, which is headed by the Weinstein
brothers (jewish)

e- Disney owns Capital Cities/ABC, whose subsidiary ESPN, is headed by
president and CEO Steven Bornstein (jewish).

2)  TIME WARNER

a- the -second- largest media conglomerate in the world today, behind Walt
Disney

b- headed by CEO Michael Levin (jewish)

c- Time Warner's is the largest in the magazine publisher in the country
and includes Time, Sports Illustrated, People, and Fortune (headed by
Norman Pearlstine -- jewish)

d- Time Warner's subsidiary HBO is the country's largest pay-TV cable
network

e- Time Warner is also the world's largest record company.

3) VIACOM

a)  The third largest media conglomerate

b)  Headed by Sumner Redstone (born Murray Rothstein -- jewish).  Redstone
-actually- owns 76% of Viacom's shares ($3 billion).

c)  Viacom produces films through Paramount pictures which is headed by
Sherry Lansing (jewish)

d)  Produces and distributes TV programs for the three largest networks
and ows 12 television stations and 12 radio stations.

e)  Viacom's publishing division Prentic Hall Simon & Schuster, and Pocket
Books, and distributes videos through over 4,000 Blockbuster Video stores.

f)  Viacom is the world's largest provider of cable programming, most
notably through Showtime, MTV, and Nickelodeon.


NOTE:  The leadership of the top 3 media conglomerates Disney, Time
Warner, and Viacom is jewish.


4)  Most of the television and movie production companies that are not
owned by the largest corporations are also controlled by jews.  New World
Entertainment which is considered the premiere independent TV program
producer in the U.S. is owned by Ronald Perelman (jewish) who also owns
Revlon cosmetics.

5)  The chairman of New World is the former head of entertainment
programming at NBC, Brandon Tartikoff (jewish)

6)  The best known of the smaller media companies is DreamWorks SKG which
formed in 1994 by recording industry mogul David Geffen (jewish), former
Disney Pictures chairman Jeffrey Katzenbgerg (jewish), and film director
Steven Spielberg (jewish). With the cash and connections these three
possess it is likely that DreamWorld may soon be in the same league as the
big three media conglomerates.

7)  Two other large production companies, MCA and Universal Pictures, are
both owned by Seagram Company, Ltd., the liquor giant, whose president and
CEO is Edgar Bronfman. (jewish)  Edgar Bronfman is also president of the
World Jewish Congress.

8)  Films produced by the just the five largest motion picture companies
mentioned above -- Disney, Warner Brothers, Sony, Paramount (Viacom) and
Universal (Seagram) -- accounted for 74 per cent of the total box-office
receipts for 1995.

9)  The number five biggest media company is the Japanese Sony
Corporation, whose U.S. subsidiary, Sony Corporation of America, is run by
Michael Schulhof, a jew.  Alan J. Levin, another jew heads the Sony
Pictures division.

II)  Newspapers

Jews own the nation's 3 most prestigious and influential newspapers:  the
New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, and the Washington Post.  These 3
papers set the trends and guidelines for nearly all others.  They
originate the news; the others merely copy it.  

1)  The New York Times

a-  headed by CEO Arthur Ochs Sulzberger, Jr. (jewish)

b-  Executive editor is Max Frankel (jewish)

c-  Managing editor is Joseph Lelyveld (jewish)

d-  The Sulzberger familly also owns throught the New York Times Co. 33
other newspapers including the Boston Globe, 12 magazines including
McCall's and Family Circle with circulations of more than 5 million each.
7 radio and TV broadcasting companies.  

e-  The New York Times company transmits news stories, features, and
photographs by wire to 506 other newspapers, news agencies, and magazines.

2)  The Washington Post

a-  Headed by Katherine Meyer Graham (jewish).  She is principal
stockholder and chairman of the board of the Washington Post Co.

b-  Her son Donald is The Washington Post's publisher (jewish).

c-  The Washington Post Co, has a number of other media holdings in
newspapers, television, and magazines, most notably the nation's
number-two weekly newsmagazine, Newsweek.

d-  In a joint venture with the New York Times the Post publishes the
International Herald Tribune, the most widely distributed English language
daily in the world

3)  The Wall Street Journal

a-  Owned by the Dow Jones Company, whose chairman and CEO of Dow Jones is
Peter R. Kahn (jewish)

b-  The nation's largest circulation newspaper -- 1.8 million copies each
weekday.

c-  The Dow Jones company also publishes 24 other daily newspapers and the
weekly financial tabloid Barron's, among others.

4)  Other New York papers

a.  In January of 1993 the New York Daily News was bought from the estate
of the late jewish media mogul Robert Maxwell (born Ludvik Hoch -- jewish)
by the real-estate developer Mortimer Zuckerman (jewish).  The Village
Voice is owned by Leonard Stern (jewish) the billionaire owner of the
Hartz Mountain pet supply.

III)  A Note on the Purported "free competition" of the print Media

After TV news, daily newspapers are the most influential information
medium in America today. Sixty million of them are sold each day.  They
are divided into some 1500 publications.  

Does this large number of publications indicate there exists substantial
independence and competition within the media industry?  Hardly.

Out of the 1500 only 25% are independently owned, and out of that number
over 100 have circulation over 100,000.  Only a handful are large enough
to maintain independent reporting staffs outside their own communities;
the rest must depend on these few for all of their national and
international news.

In only 50 cities are there more than -one- daily newspaper, and
competition is frequently nominal even among them, as between morning and
afternoon editions under the same ownership.  For example, several cities
including Birmingham, AL., Springfield, Mass., and Syracuse, NY. have
morning and afternoon editions that are both owned by Advance
Publications, a holding company of the Newhouse brothers (jewish).  

IV.  The former top three TV networks ABC, NBC, and CBS and their current
status of ownership

The big three in television network broadcasting used to be ABC, CBS, and
NBC.  With the consolidation of the media empires, these three are no
longer independent entities.  While they -were- independent, however, each
was controlled by a jew since its inception:

1)  ABC:  by Leonard Goldenson (jewish)

a-- executive producers of ABC news programs are all jewish:  Victor S.
Neufeld (20/20), Bob Reichbloom (Good Morning America), and Rick Kaplan
(World News Tonight)

2)  CBS:  first by Willliam Paley (jewish) and then by Laurence Tisch
(jewish)

a-- recently purchased by Westinghouse Electric Corporation.  Nevertheless
the man appointed by Laurence Tisch, Eric Ober (jewish) remains president
of CBS News.

3)  NBC:  first by David Sarnoff and then by his son Robert Sarnoff (both
jewish)

a-- NBC is now owned by General Electric; however, the NBC news president
is Andrew Lack (a jew) as are executive producers Jeff Zucker (Today),
Jeff Gralnick (NBC Nightly News), and Neal Shapiro (Dateline).  

Also, for several decades these networks have been staffed from top to
bottom with jews.

V.  Other:  e.g., the top 3 newsmagazines 

1)  Time magazine  

a)  weekly circulation of 4.1 million.

b)  as mentioned before, Time magazine is part of the media conglomerate
Time Warner which is headed by Gerald Levin (jewish)

2) Newsweek 

a)  weekly circulation of 3.2 million.

b)  owned by Katherine Meyer Graham (jewish)

3) U.S. News and World Report

a)  weekly circulation of 2.3 million

b)  owned by Mortimer Zuckerman (jewish), who is also editor-in-chief of
the magazine

c)  Zuckerman also owns the Atlantic Monthly magazine and as mentioned
before, New York's tabloid newspaper the Daily News which is the 6th
largest paper in the country.

4)  the top publisher of children's books is Western Publishing, with more
than 50% of the market.  Its chairman and CEO is Richard Snyder (jewish)
who just replaced Richard Bernstein (jewish)  

5)   Note of the Newhouse media empire:  founded by the late Samuel
Newhouse, a jewish immigrant from Russia.  Now run by his two son Samuel
and Donald Newhouse. Newhouse owns 26 daily newspaper which include the
top newspapers of Cleveland, Newark, and New Orleans.  Newhouse
Broadcasting consists of 12 television broadcasting stations and 87
cable-TV systems, including some of the largest cable networks; the Sunday
supplement _Parade_, with a circulation of more than 22 million copies per
week; some two dozen major magazines, including the New Yorker, Vogue,
Mademoiselle, Glamour, Vanity Fair, Bride's, GQ, Self, House & Garden, and
all the other magazines of the wholly owned Conde Nast group.


VI.  Gentile media ownership and control

Ted Turner:  amassed a fortune in advertising and built a large and
successful cable-TV news network. Turner made a bid to takeover CBS.  To
block the bid CBS invited billionaire theater, hotel, insurance, and
cigarette magnate Laurence Tisch (jewish) to launch a "friendly" takeover
of the company, and from 1986 till 1995 Tisch was the chairman and CEO of
CBS, removing any threat of non-jewish influence there. Subsequent effort
by Turner to acquire a major network have been obstructed by Levin's Time
Warner, which owns nearly 20 percent of CBS stock and has veto power over
major deals.  Subsequently, jewish newsman Daniel Schorr, who had worked
for Turner, publicly charged that his former boss held a personal dislike
for jews.

Turner employs a number of jews in key executive and managment positions
at CNN. Turner has never take public positions contrary to jewish
interests.  Despite being an innovator and garnering headlines, Turner has
never commanded the wealth and power to be a true media master. 
Furthermore, he has discussed a deal with Time Warner to merge, which
would make Time Warner the number one media conglomerate, and Levin would
become Ted Turner's boss.  Turner may have decided if you can't beat 'em,
join 'em.

Rupert Murdoch:  owns the fourth largest media company, News Corporation,
which owns Fox Television Network and 20th Century Fox Films, both of
which are headed by Peter Chermin (jewish). Murdoch has never take public
positions contrary to jewish interests.  

Even those newspapers still until under Gentile ownership and management
are so thoroughly dependent upon jewish advertising revenue that their
editorial and news reporting policies are largely contrained by jewish
likes and dislikes.  It holds true in the newspaper business as elsewhere
that he who pays the piper calls the tune.

VII.  CONCLUSION:  the control of the opinion-molding media is nearly
monolithic.  All of the controlled media -- television, radio, newspaper,
magazines, books, motion pictures -- speak with a single voice, each
reinforcing each other.  Despite the appearance of variety, there is no
real dissent, no alternative source of facts or ideas accessible to the
great mass of people which might allow them to form opinions at odds with
those of the media masters. They are presented with a single view of the
world -- a world in which -every- voice proclaims the equality of the
races, the inerrant nature of the jewish "holocaust" tale, the immorality
of attempting to halt the hordes of third world immigrants pouring into
America, and the desirability of genocidal race-mixing.  And we have just
seen that the media masters are to a large extent jewish.

The jews dominate the media ownership and control.  Yet how is it that
virtually -noone- discusses this incredible and significant fact.  The
media for some reason never reports mentions this fact.  The fact of media
ownership and control is highly significant fact because those who control
the media wield incredible power to mold the public opinions.  

Would it be too -extreme- to say that the media has effectively
-concealed- this fact? 

Do the media have the power to further orthodoxy to the Holocaust tale? 
Yes.  Are the media masters using their power to further orthodoxy to the
Holocaust tale? Yes.  If revisionism -is- true and the holocaust is
largely false, can this truth ever be given a hearing, much less a -fair-
hearing with the current status of media ownership?  No.  Is it any wonder
why the public does not know of the revisionist position and of the body
of facts in its favor?  No. Is it wonder why the public does not know of
the evidentiary deficiencies of the Holocaust tale? No. Considering the
fact that the media was heavily jewish at the time of WWII as well, along
with the torture, coercion, and obvious one-sidednessness of the WWII
"warcrime trials," as well as the benefit the jews received and receive
>from  the Holocaust tale, is it plausible that an anti-German hoax that
serves jewish interest could have been perpetrated and given wide
publicity and acceptance?  Yes.

Do the same jewish power which conceals from the public the fact of its
overwhelming media dominance also have the power to conceal the truth
about the Holocaust tale as well? 

Yes.

Kurt Stele


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1)  WALT DISNEY

a- The largest media conglomerate in the world today 

b- headed by Michael Eisner (jewish)

c- the Walt Disney Picture group is headed by Joe Roth (jewish) and
includes Touchstone Pictures and Caravan Pictures

d- Disney also owns Miramax pictures, which is headed by the Weinstein
brothers (jewish)

e- Disney owns Capital Cities/ABC, whose subsidiary ESPN, is headed by
president and CEO Steven Bornstein (jewish).

2)  TIME WARNER

a- the -second- largest media conglomerate in the world today, behind Walt
Disney

b- headed by CEO Michael Levin (jewish)

c- Time Warner's is the largest in the magazine publisher in the country
and includes Time, Sports Illustrated, People, and Fortune (headed by
Norman Pearlstine -- jewish)

d- Time Warner's subsidiary HBO is the country's largest pay-TV cable
network

e- Time Warner is also the world's largest record company.

3) VIACOM

a)  The third largest media conglomerate

b)  Headed by Sumner Redstone (born Murray Rothstein -- jewish).  Redstone
-actually- owns 76% of Viacom's shares ($3 billion).

c)  Viacom produces films through Paramount pictures which is headed by
Sherry Lansing (jewish)

d)  Produces and distributes TV programs for the three largest networks
and ows 12 television stations and 12 radio stations.

e)  Viacom's publishing division Prentic Hall Simon & Schuster, and Pocket
Books, and distributes videos through over 4,000 Blockbuster Video stores.

f)  Viacom is the world's largest provider of cable programming, most
notably through Showtime, MTV, and Nickelodeon.


NOTE:  The leadership of the top 3 media conglomerates Disney, Time
Warner, and Viacom is jewish.


4)  Most of the television and movie production companies that are not
owned by the largest corporations are also controlled by jews.  New World
Entertainment which is considered the premiere independent TV program
producer in the U.S. is owned by Ronald Perelman (jewish) who also owns
Revlon cosmetics.

5)  The chairman of New World is the former head of entertainment
programming at NBC, Brandon Tartikoff (jewish)

6)  The best known of the smaller media companies is DreamWorks SKG which
formed in 1994 by recording industry mogul David Geffen (jewish), former
Disney Pictures chairman Jeffrey Katzenbgerg (jewish), and film director
Steven Spielberg (jewish). With the cash and connections these three
possess it is likely that DreamWorld may soon be in the same league as the
big three media conglomerates.

7)  Two other large production companies, MCA and Universal Pictures, are
both owned by Seagram Company, Ltd., the liquor giant, whose president and
CEO is Edgar Bronfman. (jewish)  Edgar Bronfman is also president of the
World Jewish Congress.

8)  Films produced by the just the five largest motion picture companies
mentioned above -- Disney, Warner Brothers, Sony, Paramount (Viacom) and
Universal (Seagram) -- accounted for 74 per cent of the total box-office
receipts for 1995.

9)  The number five biggest media company is the Japanese Sony
Corporation, whose U.S. subsidiary, Sony Corporation of America, is run by
Michael Schulhof, a jew.  Alan J. Levin, another jew heads the Sony
Pictures division.

II)  Newspapers

Jews own the nation's 3 most prestigious and influential newspapers:  the
New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, and the Washington Post.  These 3
papers set the trends and guidelines for nearly all others.  They
originate the news; the others merely copy it.  

1)  The New York Times

a-  headed by CEO Arthur Ochs Sulzberger, Jr. (jewish)

b-  Executive editor is Max Frankel (jewish)

c-  Managing editor is Joseph Lelyveld (jewish)

d-  The Sulzberger familly also owns throught the New York Times Co. 33
other newspapers including the Boston Globe, 12 magazines including
McCall's and Family Circle with circulations of more than 5 million each.
7 radio and TV broadcasting companies.  

e-  The New York Times company transmits news stories, features, and
photographs by wire to 506 other newspapers, news agencies, and magazines.

2)  The Washington Post

a-  Headed by Katherine Meyer Graham (jewish).  She is principal
stockholder and chairman of the board of the Washington Post Co.

b-  Her son Donald is The Washington Post's publisher (jewish).

c-  The Washington Post Co, has a number of other media holdings in
newspapers, television, and magazines, most notably the nation's
number-two weekly newsmagazine, Newsweek.

d-  In a joint venture with the New York Times the Post publishes the
International Herald Tribune, the most widely distributed English language
daily in the world

3)  The Wall Street Journal

a-  Owned by the Dow Jones Company, whose chairman and CEO of Dow Jones is
Peter R. Kahn (jewish)

b-  The nation's largest circulation newspaper -- 1.8 million copies each
weekday.

c-  The Dow Jones company also publishes 24 other daily newspapers and the
weekly financial tabloid Barron's, among others.

4)  Other New York papers

a.  In January of 1993 the New York Daily News was bought from the estate
of the late jewish media mogul Robert Maxwell (born Ludvik Hoch -- jewish)
by the real-estate developer Mortimer Zuckerman (jewish).  The Village
Voice is owned by Leonard Stern (jewish) the billionaire owner of the
Hartz Mountain pet supply.

III)  A Note on the Purported "free competition" of the print Media

After TV news, daily newspapers are the most influential information
medium in America today. Sixty million of them are sold each day.  They
are divided into some 1500 publications.  

Does this large number of publications indicate there exists substantial
independence and competition within the media industry?  Hardly.

Out of the 1500 only 25% are independently owned, and out of that number
over 100 have circulation over 100,000.  Only a handful are large enough
to maintain independent reporting staffs outside their own communities;
the rest must depend on these few for all of their national and
international news.

In only 50 cities are there more than -one- daily newspaper, and
competition is frequently nominal even among them, as between morning and
afternoon editions under the same ownership.  For example, several cities
including Birmingham, AL., Springfield, Mass., and Syracuse, NY. have
morning and afternoon editions that are both owned by Advance
Publications, a holding company of the Newhouse brothers (jewish).  

IV.  The former top three TV networks ABC, NBC, and CBS and their current
status of ownership

The big three in television network broadcasting used to be ABC, CBS, and
NBC.  With the consolidation of the media empires, these three are no
longer independent entities.  While they -were- independent, however, each
was controlled by a jew since its inception:

1)  ABC:  by Leonard Goldenson (jewish)

a-- executive producers of ABC news programs are all jewish:  Victor S.
Neufeld (20/20), Bob Reichbloom (Good Morning America), and Rick Kaplan
(World News Tonight)

2)  CBS:  first by Willliam Paley (jewish) and then by Laurence Tisch
(jewish)

a-- recently purchased by Westinghouse Electric Corporation.  Nevertheless
the man appointed by Laurence Tisch, Eric Ober (jewish) remains president
of CBS News.

3)  NBC:  first by David Sarnoff and then by his son Robert Sarnoff (both
jewish)

a-- NBC is now owned by General Electric; however, the NBC news president
is Andrew Lack (a jew) as are executive producers Jeff Zucker (Today),
Jeff Gralnick (NBC Nightly News), and Neal Shapiro (Dateline).  

Also, for several decades these networks have been staffed from top to
bottom with jews.

V.  Other:  e.g., the top 3 newsmagazines 

1)  Time magazine  

a)  weekly circulation of 4.1 million.

b)  as mentioned before, Time magazine is part of the media conglomerate
Time Warner which is headed by Gerald Levin (jewish)

2) Newsweek 

a)  weekly circulation of 3.2 million.

b)  owned by Katherine Meyer Graham (jewish)

3) U.S. News and World Report

a)  weekly circulation of 2.3 million

b)  owned by Mortimer Zuckerman (jewish), who is also editor-in-chief of
the magazine

c)  Zuckerman also owns the Atlantic Monthly magazine and as mentioned
before, New York's tabloid newspaper the Daily News which is the 6th
largest paper in the country.

4)  the top publisher of children's books is Western Publishing, with more
than 50% of the market.  Its chairman and CEO is Richard Snyder (jewish)
who just replaced Richard Bernstein (jewish)  

5)   Note of the Newhouse media empire:  founded by the late Samuel
Newhouse, a jewish immigrant from Russia.  Now run by his two son Samuel
and Donald Newhouse. Newhouse owns 26 daily newspaper which include the
top newspapers of Cleveland, Newark, and New Orleans.  Newhouse
Broadcasting consists of 12 television broadcasting stations and 87
cable-TV systems, including some of the largest cable networks; the Sunday
supplement _Parade_, with a circulation of more than 22 million copies per
week; some two dozen major magazines, including the New Yorker, Vogue,
Mademoiselle, Glamour, Vanity Fair, Bride's, GQ, Self, House & Garden, and
all the other magazines of the wholly owned Conde Nast group.


VI.  Gentile media ownership and control

Ted Turner:  amassed a fortune in advertising and built a large and
successful cable-TV news network. Turner made a bid to takeover CBS.  To
block the bid CBS invited billionaire theater, hotel, insurance, and
cigarette magnate Laurence Tisch (jewish) to launch a "friendly" takeover
of the company, and from 1986 till 1995 Tisch was the chairman and CEO of
CBS, removing any threat of non-jewish influence there. Subsequent effort
by Turner to acquire a major network have been obstructed by Levin's Time
Warner, which owns nearly 20 percent of CBS stock and has veto power over
major deals.  Subsequently, jewish newsman Daniel Schorr, who had worked
for Turner, publicly charged that his former boss held a personal dislike
for jews.

Turner employs a number of jews in key executive and managment positions
at CNN. Turner has never take public positions contrary to jewish
interests.  Despite being an innovator and garnering headlines, Turner has
never commanded the wealth and power to be a true media master. 
Furthermore, he has discussed a deal with Time Warner to merge, which
would make Time Warner the number one media conglomerate, and Levin would
become Ted Turner's boss.  Turner may have decided if you can't beat 'em,
join 'em.

Rupert Murdoch:  owns the fourth largest media company, News Corporation,
which owns Fox Television Network and 20th Century Fox Films, both of
which are headed by Peter Chermin (jewish). Murdoch has never take public
positions contrary to jewish interests.  

Even those newspapers still until under Gentile ownership and management
are so thoroughly dependent upon jewish advertising revenue that their
editorial and news reporting policies are largely contrained by jewish
likes and dislikes.  It holds true in the newspaper business as elsewhere
that he who pays the piper calls the tune.

VII.  CONCLUSION:  the control of the opinion-molding media is nearly
monolithic.  All of the controlled media -- television, radio, newspaper,
magazines, books, motion pictures -- speak with a single voice, each
reinforcing each other.  Despite the appearance of variety, there is no
real dissent, no alternative source of facts or ideas accessible to the
great mass of people which might allow them to form opinions at odds with
those of the media masters. They are presented with a single view of the
world -- a world in which -every- voice proclaims the equality of the
races, the inerrant nature of the jewish "holocaust" tale, the immorality
of attempting to halt the hordes of third world immigrants pouring into
America, and the desirability of genocidal race-mixing.  And we have just
seen that the media masters are to a large extent jewish.

The jews dominate the media ownership and control.  Yet how is it that
virtually -noone- discusses this incredible and significant fact.  The
media for some reason never reports mentions this fact.  The fact of media
ownership and control is highly significant fact because those who control
the media wield incredible power to mold the public opinions.  

Would it be too -extreme- to say that the media has effectively
-concealed- this fact? 

Do the media have the power to further orthodoxy to the Holocaust tale? 
Yes.  Are the media masters using their power to further orthodoxy to the
Holocaust tale? Yes.  If revisionism -is- true and the holocaust is
largely false, can this truth ever be given a hearing, much less a -fair-
hearing with the current status of media ownership?  No.  Is it any wonder
why the public does not know of the revisionist position and of the body
of facts in its favor?  No. Is it wonder why the public does not know of
the evidentiary deficiencies of the Holocaust tale? No. Considering the
fact that the media was heavily jewish at the time of WWII as well, along
with the torture, coercion, and obvious one-sidednessness of the WWII
"warcrime trials," as well as the benefit the jews received and receive
>from  the Holocaust tale, is it plausible that an anti-German hoax that
serves jewish interest could have been perpetrated and given wide
publicity and acceptance?  Yes.

Do the same jewish power which conceals from the public the fact of its
overwhelming media dominance also have the power to conceal the truth
about the Holocaust tale as well? 

Yes.

Kurt Stele


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Subject: Jewish Ingratitude Towards Nazi Humaneness
Date: 27 Aug 1996 23:18:10 -0400
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Good day revisionists and revisionist adherents: 

We have seen that the Nazi's elaborate train/camp scheme along with
numerous documentation describing the camps as labor camps (along with
only inferred and tenuous evidence to the contrary) indicate the Germans
were not trying to exterminate the jews, but rather only to remove them
>from  Europe society where they could not continue to exploit, disrupt,
subvert and otherwise harm the evolution of European society in the ways
jews had done for centuries.  

Even though the nazis may have viewed jews as dangerous enemies, the Nazis
did not "exterminate" them.  Let us think about this fact.  This in itself
constitutes a rare humanity -- allowing and even helping one's declared
foe to be relocated without destruction.

The nazis went farther than that.  In their humanity they saw to it that
the jewish inmates would not suffer from typhus-bearing lice.  They used
Zyklon B for this purpose and the nazi documents show that Zyklon B was a
delousing fumigant.

So what do the jews do in gratitude for these two demonstration of
humanity?

They claim that Zyklon B was a "homicidal gas."  They claim labor camps
were "death camps." 

To be sure, if the nazis were half as interested as the jews claim they
were, in exterminating jews, very little of the Chosen throng from Europe
and elsewhere would be here to fulminate against "Nazi inhumanity."  

Perhaps if the Nazis had treated the jews the way the jews treated the
Palestinians or the jews' enemies in the Old Testament, (i.e., "wipe out
every man, woman, and child") perhaps jews would not have been able to
stab Germany in the back with the Holocaust's vicious lies.  

We know the nazis were not trying to "exterminate" the jews.  Yet the jews
claim they were.  Are the jews merely projecting and revealing to the
whole world what they themselves would have done to their own enemies if
they were in the nazi's position of total power?  Indeed the Morganthau
Plan to exterminate the Germans aptly reveals many jews wanted to do as
soon as Jews had the upper hand against the Germans.  

The nazis bestowed on their jewish captives a leniency and a humanity that
subsequently was not only not reciprocated, but was deeply scorned by
their Jewish captors.  This German humanity certainly gained the nazis no
mercy in the hands of their Jewish captors.

It is the supreme ingratitude jews against the German people to fabricate
a scandalous tale of "nazi inhumanity" based on the very facts (labor
camps, Zyklon B) which demonstrate the nazis' extraordinary humanity.  

I thank you for your time.  

Kurt Stele


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Subject: Re: "Those Sensitive Nazis."
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 wrote:

>Kurt Stele  writes:

>>You still have yet to prove why if the nazis were trying to
>exterminate the jews then why did they transport them hundreds of miles
away.
>>How does the fact that they -were- transported help you?  You have
>to explain -why- they were transported by an army you just told me was
>trying to kill them, and could have done so -without- transporting them.
>>
>>The obvious fact is of course that the nazis -weren't- trying to
>>exterminate the jews, but were transporting them into labor camps.  

>The trouble with the "obvious" is that it is not always true.
>The trouble with the truth is that it is not always obvious.

holohugger's gonna try to explain how the we shouldn't conclude the
"obvious." Let's watch him  

>Whatever your caricature of "rational thought" may encompass,
>the simple matter of fact, as attested by reams of documents, 
>from before during and after the fact, personal testimony from 
>victims, perpetrators and by-standers (innocent and otherwise)
>make the Holocaust probably the best documented case of
>unfathomable genocide in recorded history.

as far as the "eyewitness testimony" goes, as the jewish historian Samuel
Gringauz has fully admitted it is hopelessly contradictory and unreliable,
as is obvious. As far as the extermination orders go, they've never been
found despite the largest mass seizure of documentary evidence in history.
 They seized several -tons- of papers.  The papers document every aspects
of the camps.  We have nazi papers listing and recording every transaction
and event of camp life except for the very extermination you allege.  I'm
afraid that paragraph above you just wrote is a piece of eloquent doo doo

>>If they were trying to exterminate the jews they would have
>executed them nearby, not shipped them at considerable expense to be
executed
>elsewhere.

>They did. Not efficacious enough, with too many deleterious side-effects.

Like what?  According to the Holocaust the nazis killed three million by
shooting. Why stop then and switch to gas chambers?  Those "deleterious
side effects" you claim were before not sufficiently troublesome to keep
the nazis from supposedly shooting millions.  There was no compelling to
change an purportedly highly effective means of execution.  

>>So what if they -transported- them?  They were either -relocating-
>to the outside of Germany or into labor camps.

>>Either way, the object was -not- extermination. The unexplainable aspect
is -one- of the main reasons why the Holohoax's "extermination theory" is
such bullshit.

>If Germany simply wished to exploit the craftmanship and expertise
>of Jews and other inmates, why was so little done to relieve the
>astronomical death rate in the resort camps?

The astronomical death rate you allege is another hoax, based on
deteriorating conditions and typhus found in the camps upon liberation. 
If the labor camps were really deathcamps then there was no need for all
the workshops.  If the "deathcamps" were really labor camps then the nazis
wouldn't mistreat prisoners they are using for labor: otherwise it makes
no economic sense.

But let me guess your next argument:  "since the nazis were crazy the
Holocaust tale doesn't have to make sense" right?

>Shooting is slow and inefficient and stressful and less reliable.
>How many soldiers would it take how long to assassinate 12,000,000
>people using single bullets.

Assuming six million died. Big assumption.  The numbers of survivors and
alleged dead far exceeds even the number of jews that were known to be in
existence. There is huge problem with your six million number.

Not only that, the nazis supposedly killed three million in a little over
2 years. At this rate they could killed at least the same amount of people
in the next 2 years.  At this high of (alleged) death there is little
reason to switch.  It makes no sense.  Like so many other parts of the
Holcaust.

Furthermore, the nazis could have used bombs and killed thousands at a
time.  Which is more:  a $50 1000-pound bomb that could wipe out 10,000
people in one time or capturing, tagging, transporting, cataloging,
dressing, feeding, maintaining, housing, guarding, and delousing, along
with the expenses of camp upkeep and soldier maintenance, just to later
kill them? Either the nazis wanted to kill them or they did not.  If they
did, the nazis were supposedly crazy and would have done whatever it took.
 You want the the nazis to be "crazy" to explain the several cockamaimee
parts of the holocaust tale but then you portray the nazis as sane and
logical when it is convenient for your story. 

It's way too convenient.  The story doesn't -hang- together right.  I'm
afraid it is indeed bullshit.  You've been suckered

>>but if the nazis wanted to exterminate the jews they could just
>lined up -ONE- machine gun all day and night and finished the job.  Or a
few
>bombs.

>Not even the atom bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were 100%
>efficient.
>And the devastation is too damaging to the area in general. Bombing
>the region woud upset the locals and cause too much "collateral
>damage".

Observe the Holocaust tale now:  here the nazis are fearing the local
population -- a logical act.  If they were crazy and hell-bent on killing
the jews (as essential premise)of the Holocaust tale, the nazis would have
gone ahead and done what they supposedly wanted to do, being illogical and
crazy.  The nazis are "sane" when it benefits the tale.  When the tale
contains contradictions and no evidence:  "the nazis were crazy! Go
figure." the holohuggers tell us.

Not only that, all it would have a required is merely a quarter mile bomb
clearing somewhere in all of Europe, out in the countryside with noone
around. No disturbance.  The trains could have easily arrived, disembarked
the passengers, and taken them to the bomb site. The nazis had enough
control to do this because they were able to transport them.  Your
explanation why they couldn't have blown them up is not convincing in the
least.

Kurt Stele


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ibwca@curly.cc.emory.edu (william c anderson) wrote:

>Kurt Stele (kurtstele@aol.com) wrote:

>: the fact that there are Whites in high places does not mean they have
any
>: racial loyalty. 

>I hope they don't have any racial loyalty.  I hope they don't have
>any loyalty to the Green Unicorn King, either, or any other fictional
>entity.

>: if involuntarily paying a tax burden of over $10 billion a year to
Israel
>: is not slavery what is?

>Let's see--any foreign aid that goes to Isreal has to be approved
>by congress and the president.  We elect congress and the president;
>if we don't like what they're doing, we can turn them out.

"Approved by congress"?  Big deal.  Congress will rubber stamp virtually
anything the jewish lobby wants.

Let's see -- noone in congress dares to speak out or else they will
attacked not by "the people," but by a campaign of jews organized against
him, calling him anti-semitic, and economically threatening his
supporters, and ensuring he is defeated next election, which is what
happened to Illinois congressman Paul Findlay after he spoke against the
jewish lobby. Congressmen know that opposing the Jewish lobby is political
suicide.  

Counting on congressmen, who generally are step 'n fetchits for Israel, to
oppose the jewish lobby is a joke.  Even if they had the inclination to
oppose any jewish interest, which they typically do not, Jewish money
power would constrain them.  

So much for democracy.

Furthermore, most people do not realize the -significance- of Steven
Spielberg's receiving $1 million grant in tax-payer money for more
self-indulgent Holyhoax films.  Most people fail to recognize that this
constitutes special treatment for jews and that no other group is given
that.  

Why do they generally fail to recognize this?  It is never point out to
them by the media. So the people generally fail to appreciate the glaring
hypocrisy. 

But with more and more overt privileges to the jews like the loan
Spielberg just received, people are slowly beginning to see clearly that
jews are given special privileges.  

Because the people rely on the (jewish) media to interpret the news for
them, if the media doesn't denounce or question Spielberg's $1 million
grant, then the people generally pay little attention.  

Of course, if the $1 millon grant had been given to a Palestinian director
to make a film documenting the concentration camps and brutality the
Israelis subjected the Palestinians to, then the media would suddenly
create a stir and begin pointing out that "this is YOUR tax dollars at
work, funding private film project.  Also it is anti-Semitic and the film
is being made by people with ties to terrorism."  Etc. Etc.

But that point is moot because we know that no Palestinians, nor any other
group for that matter, would ever be able to get US tax dollars to make
films about their history, much less for historical fables like the
holocaust.  

We know that privilege is only reserved for the jews.

He who controls the TV box controls the ballot box.  The vast amount of
the sheeple only follow the media and generally will not oppose Steven
Spielberg's $1 million unless told to do by the media.  They cannot think
for themselves, as the jewish media masters well know.

We know who controls the TV box and it ain't Palestinians.

Kurt Stele


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Subject: The Holohugger's fall-back: "Nazis were crazy, stupid"
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The holohuggers' theory has several inconsistencies within it.  For
example, the nazis supposedly shot 3 million people but then the nazis
supposedly began using gas chambers.  Why?  There are far more effective
and economic ways than "gassing" to exterminate:  namely to just continue
right along shooting as they had been.  No need in the slightest to
change.  The exterminationists provide no documentation of how the Germans
were forced to switch methods.  

This inconsistency, just one among a host, draws into serious question the
nazi's unexplained "switch" to "gas chambers."  Note the "gas chambers"
referred to are those in Auschwitz and elsewhere which were not built to
operate as such.  Note the "gas" referred to is Zyklon-B the insecticide. 
Note the "extermination" referred to is an alleged operation noone in the
Reich ever wrote down, despite writing down everything else, and for which
there never found any orders.  

Regarding the nonsensical result that switching to gas produced, i.e.,
permitting millions of jewish deathcamp survivors, the holohuggers tell
us: "ah, the nazis were stupid. They were crazy." 

If the nazis seem crazy it's may be because they weren't trying to do what
the holohuggers claim they were trying to do.  When the nazis' action are
considered in light of what the nazis' documents indicate they were trying
to do (relocation), suddenly the nazis' actions make sense.

Yet the holohugger urges us to choose the explanation that -doesn't- make
sense, the explanation that opens up far more questions than it answers.

One cannot "prove" a nonsensical theory with virtually nothing more than
eyewitness testimony (inherently unreliable) and the claim that the actors
were nonsensical. 

The holocaust bids one to enter realms of absurdity rarely traversed.

Kurt Stele


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schwartz@infinet.com wrote:

>In article <4vonf7$lq3@colossus.holonet.net>, steven@csnsys.com (Steven
>Casas) wrote:

>> In article ,
>schwartz@infinet.com wrote:
>> 
>> >joebuck@ix.netcom.com(Charles) wrote:
>> >>   Weren't you aware that there's a multi-million-dollar
>> >> US-taxpayer-paid-for Holocaust Memorial in Washington, D.C.? (Not
even
>> >> considering, for the moment, the disturbing fact that it openly
focuses
>> >> almost exclusively on Hitler's Jewish victims, virtually ignoring
the
>>      ^^^^^^^^                                                       
^^^^^^^^
>> >> non-Jewish ones.)
>> 
>> >"Joebuck"
>> >I'm sorry, but you're lying.
>> 
>> What part of "Almost" and "Virtually" did you not understand?
>> Another flipped-out, knee-jerk reaction.
>> steve

>Steven:
> 
>I understand everything Mr. "Joebuck" has written.
> 
>What part of "lying" don't YOU understand?
> 
>Not flipped out or knee-jerk.
> 
>If you quoted my ENTIRE response, you would see the Mission Statement of
>the US Holocaust Museum, which lists VIRTUALLY ALL of the groups focused
>on.
> 
>Sara

Your response was indeed both "flipped-out" and "knee-jerk."  Joebuck's
point was that the Holohoax museum in Washington D.C. focues primarily on
jews.  You jumped down his throat calling him a liar for that. Then you
attempt to refute his point by quoting from the mission statement.  The
mission statement doesn't override the fact that the Holocaust museum
focuses primarily on jews, even though supposedly 6 million non-jews died.
The mission statement is not what impresses people but the museum at
large.  And that museum focuses primarily on jews 

Kurt Stele


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From: kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Holohugger Tactic #1: "Label him a nazi."
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gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) wrote:

>In message <4vg7i7$gds@newsbf02.news.aol.com> - kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt
Stele)
>writes:
>:>
>:>klewis@awinc.com (Ken Lewis) wrote:

>[deleted]

>:>>Well, if the jackboots fit ....
>:> 
>:>anyone who criticizes jews or questions the holocaust is labelled a
nazi. 
>:>Am I a nazi under -that- definition?

>First, you are wrong.  Ken McVay has criticised Jews, and nobody has
called
>him a Nazi.  I have criticised Jews--to Jews--and no one has called me a
Nazi.
> Ditto on questioning the Holocaust.  I have done so, and no one has
called me
>a Nazi.  So your first premise is wrong.

>What I have *not* done, and you have, is to deny the Holocaust, and
fabricate,
>distort, evade and lie in a fruitless attempt to justify my position.  I
also
>have not engaged in antisemitic babbling like you have.

>So, are you a Nazi?  I don't know.  What I *do* know is that you are an
>antisemitic, racist denier.

>What I also know is that you don't post under your real name.

This is my real name, Gord.  Is Gord McFee your real name?

Kurt Stele

>--
>Gord McFee
>I'll write no line before its time


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From: kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele)
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libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu (william c anderson) wrote:

>Kurt Stele (kurtstele@aol.com) wrote:
>: 
>: Holohuggers deny there are evidentiary problems with the holocaust.

>No, we don't.  There are evidentiary problems with any historical
>event.  We deny that such problems, with regard to the Holocaust,
>are anywhere near large enough to cause any sane person to doubt it
>happened.

>: Holohuggers deny the media is jewish-dominated.

>Yes.

>: Holohuggers deny any revisionist is persecuted.

>Alec appeared to deny that.  He's wrong.

>So what?

>Bill

Thanks for at least being honest,

Kurt Stele
\


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dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele) writes:

># yeah, that's why all the millions of ashes are nowhere
># to be found. Millions of tons of ashes vanish without 
># a trace.

>Hmm. "Millions of tons". Assume you meant just one million.
>That means, divided by six million victims, 167 Kg of
>ashes per corpse. The true figure is about 2 Kg.

>You stupid Nazi monkey. And this schmuck claims to belong
>to a "superior race"... 

>A large amount of ashes was found in two camps that I know
>of: Maidanek and Treblinka. In Birkenau, it was usually
>dumped into the Vistula, which runs nearby. 

>Now, show us the ashes/corpses of the 2 (or is it 3) million
>Germans you claimed died after the war. Fair is fair.


>-Danny Keren.

In reference to the tons of ashes from cremated bodies that would have
existed had the Holohoax been true, but mysteriously were never found,

suffice it to say Keren that there are a "shitload" of ashes you still
haven't found, 

Is that better?

Kurt Stele


From kurtstele@aol.com Wed Aug 28 11:24:24 PDT 1996
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From: kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele)
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Subject: Re: McVay fails to refute jewish media control
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klewis@awinc.com (Ken Lewis) wrote:

>On 25 Aug 1996 23:45:46 -0400, kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele) wrote:

>>klewis@awinc.com (Ken Lewis) wrote:

>>>You made the claim...you back it up.

>>repeater

>Yes, I agree. You are a repeater. Not quite as good at spamming the
>newsgroup as Giwer, but you are a repeater.

>And you can repeat those same lines over and over again but you still
>have not shown us that Jews control the media. You have shown us what
>you think are a few instances but that is a long way to a jewish
>controlled media.

>What's the matter, Kurt? Is the challange to much for you? Just answer
>the questions that have been posed to you. Show us jewish control of
>the media. Your few examples just don't cut it.

ah -- just a few examples.  

In which jews run all top media conglomerates.

And the newspapers.

And the networks.

That's all.

Kurt Stele


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Subject: Re: Steven Spielberg awarded $1M federal grant
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kate@accessone.com (Kathleen Mulhern) wrote:

>In article <4vlcq9$5b1@news.tamu.edu>, frh@tamu.edu wrote:

>> I'm sorry that you're on holiday because you're full of *hit.  The
>> contract to Spielberg is nothing more than the public paying for
>> something that it shouldn't pay for.

>First of all, "joebuck" has offered no other proof than an article in
"The
>Spotlight."  I'll hold out for something more... eh... objective. 
>Secondly, if the story is true, what's wrong with preserving the thoughts
>and rememberances of survivors of the Holocaust?  Are 6 million+ dead not
>enough to justify 1 million?

When it comes to the Russians, 20 million dead was not even enough to drum
up even two dollars for a US monument "Kathleen."  The point is that jews
get privileges for their alleged history, while other people's -real-
history, do not.  If your (un)reasoning is applied, then their no reason
for why the jews should be given any amount of money for "even one human
life is priceless."  

Getting as many tax dollars as they want is precisely what the jews are
getting for their Holohoax industry.  Two million dollars a year just in
funding one museum in Washington D.C.  Yet people like you "Kathleen" want
inner city youths to go without so you can have so you can have more
ghoulish Holocaust celebrations.  You are a hypocrite, and a hater a inner
city kids.  You could give a shit whether anyone goes without so you have
more Holocaust bullshit crammed down everyone's throats.  I suppose you
get off it or something.
 
>> Most people understand the word 'grant'.  It means 'free' money.
>> That's all there is to it.

>Actually, a grant is a gift for a service or talent that adds to the
>public's knowledge (Spielberg's Shoah Foundation... if the story about
the
>grant is true), or it's to help someone in achieving something they
>otherwise could not without the money.  For instance, a Pell grant for

(mindless pablum snipped)

Look "Kathleen."  We don't need to hear the same entry-level politically
correct bullshit rationalizing why jews get special treatment. Have some
respect for boredom threshhold of your listeners.  If you have a more
novel idea or something of value to contribute here other than mindlessly
spouting the old cliches or explaining the meaning of the word "grant"
then perhaps you can justify wasting our time here.  

The issue which you cannot seem to grasp is whether the jews are justified
in forcing US taxpayers to fund more of their holohokum, while no other
groups receives such privileges and funding.  I would also get off this
newsgroup if I were you and spend some time learning about those inner
city kids you wish to divest just to fund more Spielberg schmaltz. You
claim to "care about" inner city kids yet when it comes time for alloting
them money, you want to take a million dollars away from them and use for
your bullshit tale. What if your children were living like the inner city
children?  Or do you even have any?  Some motherly instinct -you- have.
Look up the word "hypocrite" today while you're at it.

Kurt Stele


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Subject: Hoax Revealed:  "Deathcamp" had a Hospital
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Here is more evidence the so-called "deathcamps" weren't what the
Holocauster claim they were.  The nazis proposed the building of new
hospitals for the Auschwitz camp.  It was quickly approved by the
Auschwitz camp construction department. This "hospital and quarantine"
section for 16,596 inmates included surgery, x-ray, delousing, and laundry
facilities, as well as barracks for severely ill inmates. 
Pressac acknowledges the difficulty of reconciling these plans with the
camp's alleged function as an extermination facility: 

"There is incompatibility in the creation of a health camp a few hundred
yards from four Krematorien [crematory facilities] where, according to
official history, people were exterminated on a large scale ... It is
obvious that KGL [concentration camp] Birkenau cannot have had at one and
the same time two opposing functions: health care and extermination. The
plan for building a very large hospital section in BA III ["Mexiko"
section of Birkenau] thus shows that the Krematorien [facilities] were
built purely for incineration, without any homicidal gassings, because the
SS wanted to "maintain" its concentration camp labor force." 

Jean-Claude Pressac's book, Auschwitz: Technique and Operation of the Gas
Chambers, p. 512.



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The fact that several of the holohugger "A-team" on alt.revisionism e.g.,
Rich Graves, Bill Anderson, Mike Curtis, Ken McVay, Gord McFee, (Mark Van
Alstine?) and Chuck Ferree are non-Jews, does not refute the fact of
jewish media control or the fact of jewish-money power.  

It would follow that if jewish money-power can dominate the media, it can
also attract and retain several active goy camp followers.  

In this way, the existence of non-jewish holohuggers on alt.revisionism
really affirms the fact of jewish money-power, as we witness the odd and
unnatural spectacle of goyim (Europeans) carrying the flag for another
people's myth -- and even one that serves to undermine the survival of
their own people.  Such strange things can be achieved only with
money-power.

But noone ever said holohuggers weren't odd. 

Kurt Stele


From kurtstele@aol.com Wed Aug 28 11:24:27 PDT 1996
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From: kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele)
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Subject: Holohoax numbers are too pat
Date: 27 Aug 1996 21:41:12 -0400
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You ever notice how "clean" the Holocaust numbers are?

12 million people killed.

6 million non-jews.

6 million jews.

3 million jews supposedly killed by shooting.

3 million jews supposedly killed by gassing.

Using nice round numbers sticks in people's minds better.  Good propaganda
technique.

Kurt Stele


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From: kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele)
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In article <4vr6mg$nln@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt
Stele) writes...
>Rwanda and the Holocaust distinguished.  
> 
>1)  The Germans write everything down.  The Hutus don't.

>1)  In Rwanda the bodies are accounted for, i.e. no "missing ashes."

>2)  You are permitted to doubt Rwanda.

    And who says Holocaust deniers can't count to two?   :>


I notice you never addressed the point.

another holohugger trumpeting form over substance

Kurt Stele


                         daniel david mittleman 
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From kurtstele@aol.com Wed Aug 28 12:05:49 PDT 1996
Article: 60623 of alt.revisionism
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From: kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele)
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Subject: Cogitations of Franz Liszt and alt.revisionism
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You know, the other day I writing to alt.revisionism.  I was also
listening to Franz Liszt's "Trois etudes de concert, Un sospiro."  

I typed on.

As the music drifted through my room, interwoven with submelodies and
modulations, forming a winding ornate ribbon of transcendent harmony, I
thought to myself:

"This is beautiful.  This is spiritual.  How superior this music is, as
was the pure European culture that created it, compared to the present
schmaltzy, tacky, glitzy and fulsome MTV/Jerry Springer/shopping mall
cosmopolitan culture of the present."  

"This music is sublime," I thought, listening further.  

"This music is so.. It is so...  Non-economic.  It is so..
Non-commercialized. It is so.. not motivated by mercantilism or material
gain."

"In a word, it is so... 

"Non-jewish."

I continued typing.

Kurt Stele



From kurtstele@aol.com Wed Aug 28 13:24:28 PDT 1996
Article: 60631 of alt.revisionism
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From: kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele)
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Subject: Re: Steven Spielberg awarded $1M federal grant
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Keith Morrison  wrote:

>Kurt Stele wrote:

>> Millions of Russians died in WWII. What monuments do they get?  none.

>Just outside of Volograd (Stalingrad) is the largest statue in the
>world, a woman with a sword upraised that measures about 270 feet
>from foot to tip of the sword.  As I recall, the name of the statue
>is "Rodina" (Motherland), and it commemorates the Battle of Stalingrad
>and the Soviet soldiers lost in the Second World War.

>Please try to keep your brain in gear when you turn on the mouth.

This misses the point Keith.  The Russians in America do not have the
money-power to call down 1 million guilt-shekels the way the jews do.  The
Holocaust happened in Europe, so why are Americans being forced to foot
the bill for a foreign incident?   The extermination of Russians was also
foreign incident and yet American Russians do not receive the privilege of
museums and monuments.

The jews get special treatment.  Other peoples don't.  The jews are alone
in their imposition of forcing Americans to pay large sums of money to
fund there perpetual Holocaust memorials.  No other people is allowed such
favored status. 
Just goes to show you the privileges that jewish money-power can get.

Kurt Stele


From kurtstele@aol.com Wed Aug 28 14:11:30 PDT 1996
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dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele) writes:

>[...]

>Am I the only one who sees a striking similarity between
>this guy's and Giwer's writing style?

>And he also uses "holohugger"?

>And he and Giwer shower compliments on each other?

>And he also posts 30 or so articles per day?

>It's a common tactic of the Nazis here to use a few aliases.
>Gannon did it. "dvdthomas" admitted to also using "bob hunt",
>"dbtgthomas", and "agathist".

>And the "kurt stele" admits that it's not his real name.

>Just something to think about.

Keren, when or where did ever admit that I'm not using my real name?  You
are having holohugger hallucinations, here.  Why don't post this proof,
along with where all the ashes of the millions alleged went off to. Did
they also blow away in the wind?

Kurt Stele


From kurtstele@aol.com Thu Aug 29 07:27:25 PDT 1996
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From: kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele)
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Subject: "The Seekers" and the effect of name-calling
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You ever noticed the frequency and amount of name-calling that
holocausters do on alt.revisionism (the same little clique of them that
is)?

And then compare it with that done by revisionists?  (little if any, and
typically only in response to repeated holocauster attacks).

Unprovoked name-calling is both childish and unseemly. 

Many holocausters also do not realize that when they name-call they remove
nearly all dignity from themselves.  This is a fact completely lost to the
holocausters.

What can be said for people who not only lack dignity but also have no
concern for this fact?

One actually feels embarrassed for the holocausters.

One who repeatedly attacks another with vulgar name-calling has proven
himself infra dig.

The Holocaust Tale has so many holes in it that, like swiss cheese, it is
more holes than cheese.  Holocausters seem like shrill little tyrants,
calling other people epithets much as little schoolchildren do, as they
try to protect their little crumbling Holocaust Tale from being probed.  

This fact is not lost on "The Seekers." 

"The Seekers" are the sort of people looking for the truth, and who are
also sensitive to the various tactics human beings use when they want to
conceal something or silence the questioning of it.  

"The Seekers" raise an eyebrow when they see a group of people responding
to scrutiny of their Tale with name-calling, and elsewhere with
"thoughtcrime laws" outlawing any questioning of it.  The Seekers are the
sort of people who will always be interested in finding out what is behind
all the ad hominem and thought prohibition.

More "Seekers" have been alerted to the falsity of the Holohoax Lie this
way then probably anything else.   

The holocausters have all manner of anomalous theories to try to plug the
many holes in the Holohoax Tale.  They have the media, the government,
academia, jewish-money power, and in some places where questioning is
punished by fine or jail, even the law -- on their side.  

In other words, the holocausters have all the power imaginable in which to
conceal their Lie.

But the holocausters' name calling still gives them away and "The Seekers"
will always detect this.

Holohoax:  thy days are numbered

Kurt Stele



From kurtstele@aol.com Thu Aug 29 07:27:27 PDT 1996
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>Franz Liszt was reported to be a strong Hungarian Anti-Semite.


>--
>I marvel at the resilience of the white people.
>Their best characteristic is their desire to learn.
>No other people has such an obsession with the intellect.

""The day will come when all nations amidst which the Jews are dwelling
will have to raise the question of their wholesale expulsion, a question
which will be one of life or death, good health or chronic disease,
peaceful existence or perpetual social fever."

Franz Lizst. _Are These Things So?_, page 278.

Kurt Stele


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Erratus:  _Are These Things So?_, by E.N. Sanctuary at page 278

Kurt Stele  


From kurtstele@aol.com Thu Aug 29 07:27:28 PDT 1996
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From: kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele)
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Subject: Re: Holohuggers:  jewish economic boycotts are OK
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yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>   kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele) writes:


>  YFE wrote:

>!   >A lot of words to express a simple idea.  You do not like Jewish 
>!>  >boycotts because the work.  Jews are, in your opinion, not permitted
to
>!>  express 
>!>  >their opinions because when those ideas are placed in the
marketplace of
>!>  ideas, 
>!>  >they win.
>  
>>  Exactly. I do not like them precisely because they work to further the
>>  jewish agenda

>	Now that we have cut through the welter of words and determined
that 
>your basic position is that Jews do not have the same rights as other
people to 
>publish newspapaers, write and publich their opinions, protest about
matters of 
>public interest, advocate their positions publically, and use the weapons
of 
>democracy to advance their positions, what other basic rights do you wish
to 
>deprive me of:

>	My right to vote?

>	My right to run for or hold  public office?

>	The right to be secure in my home?

>	The right practice my profession?

>	My Citizenship?

>	Don't be bashful.  Just come right out and tell us how you wish to

>emulate your nazi heros.

>	--YFE


Obviously jews have the legal right to boycott. What is being pointed out
is that jews use their money-power and media domination to further jewish
interests and values, and that these jewish interests and values are
contrary to the interests of Whites.  Many Whites do not realize that jews
use their money-power and media domination to further jewish interests,
nor do many Whites realize that the ideas inculcated and favored by the
jewish media (cosmopolitanism, race-mixing, third world immigration) are
destructive to White society, community, and will eventually eradicate the
White race if the trends promoted by the jewish media are not reversed. 
Whites need to know the facts of jewish media control in order to regain
control of their destiny as a people.

Also, jewish economic boycotts render "democracy" a sham, because if
someone expresses an idea which jews wish to silence, then that someone
can be threatened into silence by a jewish economic boycott, just as St.
Martin's was for having signed a book contract with David Irving.  This
same jewish money-power can, through the same threat of economic boycott,
also silence the victim from even publicizing the very fact that he was so
coerced.  That way the public at large never becomes fully aware of the
power of this effective tool of political regulation.

There is little need to wonder why more don't realize the full
significance of the jewish economic boycott.  We certainly can't count on
the jewish media to do any late-breaking stories on it

Kurt Stele



From kurtstele@aol.com Thu Aug 29 10:50:44 PDT 1996
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klewis@awinc.com (Ken Lewis) wrote:

>On 27 Aug 1996 21:58:00 -0400, kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele) wrote:

>#Brian Harmon  wrote:
>#
>#>Matt Giwer wrote:
>#>> 
>#>>         Why is it that when it comes to gassing personal
>statements and
>#>> testimony are enough but when it comes to "jews control the media"
>#>> physical evidence is required?
>#
>#
>#>What the hell are you talking about?
>#
>#>If Stele (or you) could simply provide us with
>#>the names and numbers of 'jewish controlled media
>#>sources' with references, that'd be something.
>#
>#>As it is, you simply _insist_ that it is true,
>#>and that all the media sources are in fact controlled
>#>by jews.
>#
>#II never said that Brian. I said the jews -dominate- the media, and
>#therefore have a virtual monopoly on it.  I also said they use the 

>Bzzzt. Wrong answer, Kurt. You did not use the word dominate in the
>posts I read. You said control:

Exactly. I said control. I meant control.  Yes, jews control the media. 
That is my point. Thank you. You understand me then.  Congratulations. 
Cookie.

What I referred to above was the use of the word "ALL."  You snipped that
out.  Read the post.

(yawn)

Kurt Stele


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>[snip]

>##You raise a good point, Chuck.  Indeed -why- does it matter whether
>##media
>##control is in the hands of a single group of people?  The simple
>##reason
>##is, the media is power. It bestows upon the wielder the power to
>##shape
>##people's attitudes, beliefs, and view of reality. The jews control
>##the
>##media and they use it to suit their interests and to propagate
>##-their-
>##values and beliefs. The media also slants the news in favor its
>j##ewish


>Care to try to backpeddle some more?


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Holohuggers continue to claim the employees of St. Martin's publishing
house were not threatened physically.  For newcomers, St. Martin's is the
firm forced to cancel David Irving's book contract due to threats and
pressure from the jewish ADL and other jews. Holohuggers were already
given the cite of _Time_ magazine April 15, 1996 which explicitly says
that the employees complained of death threats.  

Go read it.

Holohuggers have difficulty deducing facts which do not suit their
religious opinions. Sometimes you have to repeat things several times
before they can understand, if then.

Kurt Stele




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rblackmore@juno.com wrote:

>Instead of all this quibbling with words which mean nothing as far as I'm
concerned-provide the EVIDENCE-that's what is left.  You 
>didn't provide it in 1945 and you haven't provided it yet.  When will
you?  Don't >show me mounds of glasses, piles of shoes, dubious
photographs, "official" >documents, sworn affadavits, court testimonies,
etc. etc. ad nauseam, ad >infinitum.   Simply show me the graves and the
evidence which proves that x >thousands of people were murdered in that
spot  

fact is they can't.

Kurt Stele


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Alec Grynspan  wrote:

>Kurt Stele wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> They "claimed" to convert.  Most of them never did and simply went
>> underground, yet they professed Christianity to the authorities.
>> Understandably this was done because their views, like the revisionists
>> and the politically incorrect of today, were unpopular.  Yet noone
>> denounces the jews as cowards or liars.

>Nope!

>Only a small fraction remained Jews after a generation. Even the
>preemptive vow that neutralized forced conversion (the Kol Nidre), the
>pressure was too great. The more devout ones left Spain.

>The difference in these cases was that it was a matter of "convert or
>die". 

>Not that it did much good. The converts were no longer bound by the laws
>that constrained them as Jews and were even more competitive than ever.
>A generation later and the bizarre situation arose where the children of
>converts - some of whom had become devout Christians - were more at risk
>than Jews during the Spanish Inquisition.

>Nobody is persecuted for being a revisionist.

so I suppose the ordeal Ernst Zundel has been subjected to is a frolic?.

Kurt Stele 


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Keith Morrison  wrote:

>Ole Kreiberg wrote:

>> >The same thing holds for racism which is
>> >an important ideological step towards violent nationalism and even
more
>> >evil things (social Darvinism to mention just the worst).
>> 
>> You only think on German history. Maybe that is your particular German
>> experience with racism and nationalism, but this may not be case in
>> other countries.

>Rwanada, Burundi, former Yugoslavia, Chechnya, Georgia, Armenia, Iraq
>and Iran, India, Sri Lanka.  All countries where racist or
religious/cultural
>conflicts combined with nationalism have resulted in violence.  All
>of these *since* Germany in the Second World War.  The list could get
>a great deal longer rather quickly.

>In all of these cases racism and nationalism have resulted in violence.
>Now you want us to believe that Denmark has some sort of magical quality
>that will allow it to proceed peacefully where every other country has
>failed?

multiracial cities are far more violent than homogenous White places like
Denmark. 

duh. 

Yet I realize to a holohugger like yourself the violence of multiracial
cities is acceptable:  as long as it is non-whites against whites and
never the reverse, that is OK.

Kurt Stele



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