The Nizkor Project: Remembering the Holocaust (Shoah)

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From: slepokuo@cadvision.com (Orest Slepokura)
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Subject: A Survivor's Tale
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The August 5, 1993, edition of the English-language daily The Montreal
Gazette tells the remarkable story of Moshe Peer.

It reads (in part):

"As an 11-year-old boy held captive at the Bergen-Belsen concentration
camp   during World War II, Moshe Peer was sent to the gas chamber at
least six times [sic].

"Each time he survived, watching the horror as many of the women and
children gassed with him collapsed and died.

"To this day, Peer doesn't know how he was able to survive.

"'Maybe children resist better, I don't know,' he said in an interview
last week."

Do "children resist better"? I doubt it.

What I don't know is how Peer could have survived the Bergen-Belsen gas
chamber even once, let alone a total of "six times," given that the
official storyline is that at the Bergen-Belsen concentration camp, as
with Dachau and Buchenwald, there were no homicidal gas chambers
established here.

The article also states that Peer has spent "the last 19 years writing a
first-person account of the horror he witnessed at Bergen-Belsen." I add
this quote to make it clear that it was Bergen-Belsen that Peer was
speaking of and not a different concentration camp.

                                       *


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From: slepokuo@cadvision.com (Orest Slepokura)
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Subject: Schindler's List: When Less Is More
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Here's how the Touchstone's First Edition of Schindler's List was
introduced to readers. Note, that those portions hedged about by question
marks were deleted from subsequent editions...

                    
     
                                  _________
                                  ___   ___
                                    /| |\
                                   / | | \
                                       

                                  TOUCHSTONE
                              Rockefeller Center
                         1230 Avenue of the Americas
                           New York, New York 10020


    ?     This book is a work of fiction. Names, characters, places, and   ?
    ?   incidents are either products of the author's imagination or are   ?
    ?    used fictitiously. Ant resemblance to actual events or locales    ?
    ?        or persons, living or dead, is entirely coincidental.         ?

          Copywright c 1982 by Hemisphere Publishers, Limited
          Cover art copywright c 1993 by MCA Publishing Rights,      
             a Division of MCA, Inc. All rights reserved.

                              All rights reserved                
                     including the right of reproduction
                       in whole or in part in any form.
                         This Touchstone Edition 1993
                 TOUCHSTONE and colophon are registered trademarks
                            of Simon and Schuster Inc.
                               Designed by Eve Metz
                   Manufactured in the United States of America

                         
                               5   7   9   10   8   6

                 Library of Congress Cataloging-in-Publication Data

    ?                     Keneally, Thomas, Schindler's List              ?
    ?                   1. Schindler, Oskar, 1908-1974--fiction           ?
    ?                  2. Holocaust, Jewish (1939-1945)--fiction          ?
    ?                        3. World war, 1939-1945--fiction             ?

                                        I. Title,
                    PR9619.3.K46S3      1982        823    82-10489 
                                 ISBN: 0-671-44977-X
                                       0-671-77972-9
                                       0-671-88031-4

          The author extends his grateful appreciation for photgraphs
                        supplied through the courtesy of 
                      Yad Vashem Photographic Service and
                       Leopold Page (Leopold Pfefferberg)


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From: slepokuo@cadvision.com (Orest Slepokura)
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Subject: Elie Wiesel: "only the Jews remember" Kaganovitch
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Here is how Stuart Kahan describes his uncle, Lazar Moiseyevich
Kaganovich, in his memoir The Wolf of The Kremlin [William Morrow: New
York, 1987, pp. 14-15]:

"...Stalin's closest confidant, the chairman of the Soviet Presidium, the
man who set up the amalgamation of the state security forces that later
became the infamous KGB, the man who personally supervised the purges that
ran rampant through Russia in the thirties and forties, the man who
instituted more restrictions and quotas on the Jews than anyone else, the
man who urged and orchestrated the deaths of 20 million people...the
ultimate Jew-hater himself, and the only Jew in the hierarchy."

However, when the name Lazar Kaganovitch crops up in a passage in Elie
Wiesel's memoir Legends of Our Time [Holt,Rinehart and Winston: New
York,1968, p.156], it is given a totally different spin. 

Here's what happened: 

Wiesel, a Holocaust survivor, novelist, and future Nobel Peace Prize
laureate [1986], was in Moscow sometime in the mid-1960s, where he joined
a crowd of his co-religionist Jews. He describes a street celebration
during which a young Jew in the crowd began to call out the names of
accomplished and celebrated Soviet Jews. With each name, the "crowd roared
back its approval."  

Then:

"Unthinking, he chose the name of one long forgotten: 'Long live Lazar
Kaganovitch!' Someone near me asked jokingly whether Kaganovitch was still
alive. Yes, he is still alive, but only the Jews remember him. I wonder if
it ever crossed his mind that a day would come when he name would be
trumpeted aloud outside the Jewish synagogue, while he himself was
banished from the Kremlin walls."  

After which, Wiesel makes no more references to Kaganovitch, sentimental
or otherwise. Certainly, he expresses no outrage of any kind that the name
Kaganovitch was cheered or been the object of easygoing banter. It's both
telltale and interesting that a recurring motif of Wiesel's 1968 memoir
had been the need to remember the innocent victims and guilty perpetrators
of the Nazi Holocaust.  

Needless to say, Wiesel is grotesquely mistaken when he says "only the
Jews remember" Lazar Kaganovitch. More than chauvinistic, Wiesel's
statement is positively solipsistic, when one considers that the name
Lazar Kaganovitch has the same resonance for Russian, Polish and Ukrainian
ears as the name Himmler has for Jewish ears.


From slepokuo@cadvision.com Sat Jan  6 22:10:40 PST 1996
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In article <30E472CB.414E@aimnet.com>, George Graves 
wrote:

> Frank Weltner wrote:
> > 
> >
The world would have probably forgotten about him [i.e. Adolf Hiter]
> by now if the Jews didn't do a holocaust show on PBS, Discovery, TLC, or
> A&E at least once a week (or so it seems).
> 
> George Graves

__________________________________________

A strategy employed by defence attorneys for the cops who beat Rodney King
at the first trial (that resulted in an acquittal and subsequent riot) was
to show the videotaped beating over and over again to the jury. To examine
it frame by frame, and then to interpret and deconstruct its meaning for
the "benefit" of the jury. The result we're told is the jury was
eventually "desensitzed" to the violent episode by virtue of being asked
to view over and over again. 

That's a bit how I see the Holocaust debate unfolding: a collaboration
between  the Holocaust Lobby and the Revisionists. 

First step: the Lobby flogs its product in a 1001 informercials (wasn't it
Rabbi Jakovits who called the Holocaust a "big business"?). Result: a
fickle public begins to tire of the Holcaust flicks, to get bored of them;
no matter that it was a very tragic slice of history; a thin slice, mind
you, in a world that's seen 5000 wars in 6000 years of recorded history
and 3.5 billion people killed (not counting those maimed).  Familiarity,
they say, breeds contempt; they could just as easily have
said--desensitization.

Second step: the Revisionists go over each frame, as it were, like JFK
conspiracy buffs poring over each frame of the Zapruder film. And then
they publish their dissenting conclusions. The public is shocked, of
course; deeply shocked. Less so by the atrocity itself--they've been
exposed to far too many Holocaust flicks on the boob-tube--but that
someone somewhere would dare put their own dissenting spin on what
happened to the Jews in WWII, one contrary to the CW. So it is that
nowadays you can't hear the Holcaust discussed without there being at
least a passing reference to "Holocaust deniers". They've still got a bit
of their shock value, the so-called "deniers." But how long before the
shock turns to shlock, I wonder?  In this Age of One-Liners it'll probably
happen sooner than later.

--OS


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In article <30E472CB.414E@aimnet.com>, George Graves 
wrote:

> Frank Weltner wrote:
> > 
> >
The world would have probably forgotten about him [i.e. Adolf Hiter]
> by now if the Jews didn't do a holocaust show on PBS, Discovery, TLC, or
> A&E at least once a week (or so it seems).
> 
> George Graves

__________________________________________

A strategy employed by defence attorneys for the cops who beat Rodney King
at the first trial (that resulted in an acquittal and subsequent riot) was
to show the videotaped beating over and over again to the jury. To examine
it frame by frame, and then to interpret and deconstruct its meaning for
the "benefit" of the jury. The result we're told is the jury was
eventually "desensitzed" to the violent episode by virtue of being asked
to view over and over again. 

That's a bit how I see the Holocaust debate unfolding: a collaboration
between  the Holocaust Lobby and the Revisionists. 

First step: the Lobby flogs its product in a 1001 informercials (wasn't it
Rabbi Jakovits who called the Holocaust a "big business"?). Result: a
fickle public begins to tire of the Holcaust flicks, to get bored of them;
no matter that it was a very tragic slice of history; a thin slice, mind
you, in a world that's seen 5000 wars in 6000 years of recorded history
and 3.5 billion people killed (not counting those maimed).  Familiarity,
they say, breeds contempt; they could just as easily have
said--desensitization.

Second step: the Revisionists go over each frame, as it were, like JFK
conspiracy buffs poring over each frame of the Zapruder film. And then
they publish their dissenting conclusions. The public is shocked, of
course; deeply shocked. Less so by the atrocity itself--they've been
exposed to far too many Holocaust flicks on the boob-tube--but that
someone somewhere would dare put their own dissenting spin on what
happened to the Jews in WWII, one contrary to the CW. So it is that
nowadays you can't hear the Holcaust discussed without there being at
least a passing reference to "Holocaust deniers". They've still got a bit
of their shock value, the so-called "deniers." But how long before the
shock turns to shlock, I wonder?  In this Age of One-Liners it'll probably
happen sooner than later.

--OS


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In article <30E472CB.414E@aimnet.com>, George Graves 
wrote:

> Frank Weltner wrote:
> > 
> >
The world would have probably forgotten about him [i.e. Adolf Hiter]
> by now if the Jews didn't do a holocaust show on PBS, Discovery, TLC, or
> A&E at least once a week (or so it seems).
> 
> George Graves

__________________________________________

A strategy employed by defence attorneys for the cops who beat Rodney King
at the first trial (that resulted in an acquittal and subsequent riot) was
to show the videotaped beating over and over again to the jury. To examine
it frame by frame, and then to interpret and deconstruct its meaning for
the "benefit" of the jury. The result we're told is the jury was
eventually "desensitzed" to the violent episode by virtue of being asked
to view over and over again. 

That's a bit how I see the Holocaust debate unfolding: a collaboration
between  the Holocaust Lobby and the Revisionists. 

First step: the Lobby flogs its product in a 1001 informercials (wasn't it
Rabbi Jakovits who called the Holocaust a "big business"?). Result: a
fickle public begins to tire of the Holcaust flicks, to get bored of them;
no matter that it was a very tragic slice of history; a thin slice, mind
you, in a world that's seen 5000 wars in 6000 years of recorded history
and 3.5 billion people killed (not counting those maimed).  Familiarity,
they say, breeds contempt; they could just as easily have
said--desensitization.

Second step: the Revisionists go over each frame, as it were, like JFK
conspiracy buffs poring over each frame of the Zapruder film. And then
they publish their dissenting conclusions. The public is shocked, of
course; deeply shocked. Less so by the atrocity itself--they've been
exposed to far too many Holocaust flicks on the boob-tube--but that
someone somewhere would dare put their own dissenting spin on what
happened to the Jews in WWII, one contrary to the CW. So it is that
nowadays you can't hear the Holcaust discussed without there being at
least a passing reference to "Holocaust deniers". They've still got a bit
of their shock value, the so-called "deniers." But how long before the
shock turns to shlock, I wonder?  In this Age of One-Liners it'll probably
happen sooner than later.

--OS


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In article ,
slepokuo@cadvision.com (Orest Slepokura) wrote:

> In article <30E472CB.414E@aimnet.com>, George Graves 
> wrote:
> 
> > Frank Weltner wrote:
> > > 
> > >
> The world would have probably forgotten about him [i.e. Adolf Hiter]
> > by now if the Jews didn't do a holocaust show on PBS, Discovery, TLC, or
> > A&E at least once a week (or so it seems).
> > 
> > George Graves
> 
> __________________________________________
> I wrote:
>.
(wasn't it Rabbi Jakovits who called the Holocaust a "big business"?).

In fact, that should've been the British Lord Chief Rabbi Sir Immanuel
Jakobovits; here's what he said concerning the Holocaust [The Jerusalem
Post, Nov. 26, 1987]:

"An entire industry, with handsome profits for writers, researchers,
filmmakers, monument builders, museum planners, politiciens and even some
rabbis and theologians were partners in this big business industry."

In other words, the Holocaust is big business, a growth industry.


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In article ,
slepokuo@cadvision.com (Orest Slepokura) wrote:

> In article <30E472CB.414E@aimnet.com>, George Graves 
> wrote:
> 
> > Frank Weltner wrote:
> > > 
> > >
> The world would have probably forgotten about him [i.e. Adolf Hiter]
> > by now if the Jews didn't do a holocaust show on PBS, Discovery, TLC, or
> > A&E at least once a week (or so it seems).
> > 
> > George Graves
> 
> __________________________________________
> I wrote:
>.
(wasn't it Rabbi Jakovits who called the Holocaust a "big business"?).

In fact, that should've been the British Lord Chief Rabbi Sir Immanuel
Jakobovits; here's what he said concerning the Holocaust [The Jerusalem
Post, Nov. 26, 1987]:

"An entire industry, with handsome profits for writers, researchers,
filmmakers, monument builders, museum planners, politiciens and even some
rabbis and theologians were partners in this big business industry."

In other words, the Holocaust is big business, a growth industry.


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In article ,
slepokuo@cadvision.com (Orest Slepokura) wrote:

> In article <30E472CB.414E@aimnet.com>, George Graves 
> wrote:
> 
> > Frank Weltner wrote:
> > > 
> > >
> The world would have probably forgotten about him [i.e. Adolf Hiter]
> > by now if the Jews didn't do a holocaust show on PBS, Discovery, TLC, or
> > A&E at least once a week (or so it seems).
> > 
> > George Graves
> 
> __________________________________________
> I wrote:
>.
(wasn't it Rabbi Jakovits who called the Holocaust a "big business"?).

In fact, that should've been the British Lord Chief Rabbi Sir Immanuel
Jakobovits; here's what he said concerning the Holocaust [The Jerusalem
Post, Nov. 26, 1987]:

"An entire industry, with handsome profits for writers, researchers,
filmmakers, monument builders, museum planners, politiciens and even some
rabbis and theologians were partners in this big business industry."

In other words, the Holocaust is big business, a growth industry.


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In article <30E472CB.414E@aimnet.com>, George Graves 
wrote:

> Frank Weltner wrote:
> > 
> >
The world would have probably forgotten about him [i.e. Adolf Hiter]
> by now if the Jews didn't do a holocaust show on PBS, Discovery, TLC, or
> A&E at least once a week (or so it seems).
> 
> George Graves

__________________________________________

A strategy employed by defence attorneys for the cops who beat Rodney King
at the first trial (that resulted in an acquittal and subsequent riot) was
to show the videotaped beating over and over again to the jury. To examine
it frame by frame, and then to interpret and deconstruct its meaning for
the "benefit" of the jury. The result we're told is the jury was
eventually "desensitzed" to the violent episode by virtue of being asked
to view over and over again. 

That's a bit how I see the Holocaust debate unfolding: a collaboration
between  the Holocaust Lobby and the Revisionists. 

First step: the Lobby flogs its product in a 1001 informercials (wasn't it
Rabbi Jakovits who called the Holocaust a "big business"?). Result: a
fickle public begins to tire of the Holcaust flicks, to get bored of them;
no matter that it was a very tragic slice of history; a thin slice, mind
you, in a world that's seen 5000 wars in 6000 years of recorded history
and 3.5 billion people killed (not counting those maimed).  Familiarity,
they say, breeds contempt; they could just as easily have
said--desensitization.

Second step: the Revisionists go over each frame, as it were, like JFK
conspiracy buffs poring over each frame of the Zapruder film. And then
they publish their dissenting conclusions. The public is shocked, of
course; deeply shocked. Less so by the atrocity itself--they've been
exposed to far too many Holocaust flicks on the boob-tube--but that
someone somewhere would dare put their own dissenting spin on what
happened to the Jews in WWII, one contrary to the CW. So it is that
nowadays you can't hear the Holcaust discussed without there being at
least a passing reference to "Holocaust deniers". They've still got a bit
of their shock value, the so-called "deniers." But how long before the
shock turns to shlock, I wonder?  In this Age of One-Liners it'll probably
happen sooner than later.

--OS


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In article ,
slepokuo@cadvision.com (Orest Slepokura) wrote:

> In article <30E472CB.414E@aimnet.com>, George Graves 
> wrote:
> 
> > Frank Weltner wrote:
> > > 
> > >
> The world would have probably forgotten about him [i.e. Adolf Hiter]
> > by now if the Jews didn't do a holocaust show on PBS, Discovery, TLC, or
> > A&E at least once a week (or so it seems).
> > 
> > George Graves
> 
> __________________________________________
> I wrote:
>.
(wasn't it Rabbi Jakovits who called the Holocaust a "big business"?).

In fact, that should've been the British Lord Chief Rabbi Sir Immanuel
Jakobovits; here's what he said concerning the Holocaust [The Jerusalem
Post, Nov. 26, 1987]:

"An entire industry, with handsome profits for writers, researchers,
filmmakers, monument builders, museum planners, politiciens and even some
rabbis and theologians were partners in this big business industry."

In other words, the Holocaust is big business, a growth industry.


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In article <4c6klq$p4i@morgoth.sfu.ca>, mebesius@sfu.ca wrote:

> In a (William Thorsell?) Globe and Mail editorial that obviously
> had the Editor-in-chief's stamp of approval (could have been the man himself, 
> I don't know), it is suggested that "a sustained public-education campaign 
> [read: propaganda campaign] is needed to build the consensus for action
[read: 
> consent from the masses for a major fuck in the ass!]."  The idea             
>
 Only the William Thorsells of
> this country care--but this is natural--they are the ones who have benifited
> from this corruption.

_______________________________________________________

William Thorsell of the Toronto Globe and Mail is the only major
editorialist I know of who can get counted on, now and again, to
editorially go to bat for his old friend Brian Mulroney.


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> So What exactly is your point? The fact that in a country of over 3 million 
> people ther may be a small group of fringe lunatics surprises nobody. What is 
> uplifting is the quick and efficient manner in which the Israeli justice 
> system dealt with this crime. Is that your point?

_____________________________________________

Even a small group of lunatics can cause a lot of mischief; as the
Bolsheviks showed in Tsarist Russia in 1917.

These Israeli Jews descrated and vandalized the graves of hundreds of
their own  co-religionists in order to forment a tense and explosive
situation. 

That's what happened in the May 10, 1990, incident in Carpentras, France,
where scores of Jewish graves were also desecrated and vandalized. 

Le Pen and the National Front were blamed. The atmosphere in France was
tense  and explosive for a while. But no one then or since has been put on
trial and convicted of the deed. 

Was it actually the work of Le Pen-ites? Or was it perhaps the work of
Jewish militants playing the blame game, as happened in Haifa?  Or only
pransksters?

We don't know; but we can speculate.

As I say, explosives sometimes comes in small packages. For example, a
small group of Zionist miltants, apparently, arranged for the murder of
Yitzhak Rabin last November. 

Newscasts have since brimmed with stories of the vicious political climate
inside the Jewish state that made the deed almost inevitable. Posters of
Rabin as Reichsführer SS Heinrich Himmler bannered at right-wing rallies
was said to be an altogether typical example. 

My point: this same vicious political climate made the desecretation of
hundreds of Jewish graves by Jews in the Haifa cemetary possible; and, it
seems very likely, will cause other ugly episodes to occur in the future.


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In article , potato@mo.net
(Frank Weltner) wrote:

> In article ,
> slepokuo@cadvision.com (Orest Slepokura) wrote:
> 
> :In article ,
> :slepokuo@cadvision.com (Orest Slepokura) wrote:
> :
> :> In article <30E472CB.414E@aimnet.com>, George Graves 
> :> wrote:
> :> 
> :> > Frank Weltner wrote:
> :> > > 
> :> > >
> :> The world would have probably forgotten about him [i.e. Adolf Hiter]
> :> > by now if the Jews didn't do a holocaust show on PBS, Discovery, TLC, or
> :> > A&E at least once a week (or so it seems).
> :> > 
> :> > George Graves
> :> 
> :> __________________________________________
> :> I wrote:
> :>.
> :(wasn't it Rabbi Jakovits who called the Holocaust a "big business"?).
> :
> :In fact, that should've been the British Lord Chief Rabbi Sir Immanuel
> :Jakobovits; here's what he said concerning the Holocaust [The Jerusalem
> :Post, Nov. 26, 1987]:
> :
> :"An entire industry, with handsome profits for writers, researchers,
> :filmmakers, monument builders, museum planners, politiciens and even some
> :rabbis and theologians were partners in this big business industry."
> :
> :In other words, the Holocaust is big business, a growth industry.
> 
> I will agree with the statement that "the Holocaust is big business, a
> growth industry"; however, that does not mean that the Holocaust did not
> occur. 
> 
> Look at it with logic:  The National Football Leage Hall of Fame is also a
> "big business, a growth industry." This does not mean that the National
> Football League did not exist. 
> 
> On the contrary, it means that the National Football League did exist.

___________________________________________

Orest Slepokura wrote:

O.K. Let's look at it with logic... 

We agree the Holocaust is big business; that there are megabucks at stake
here, from a variety of different sources--from the usual reparations paid
to Jewish survivors to the income generated by advertisers to flog their
wares (floor wax, pantyhose, razor blades, BBQ sauce, automobiles, soda
pop, chewing gum and whatnot) in those middle-brow soap operas (no pun
intended) like _Holocaust_ and _Winds of War_ produced in the Hollywood
dream factories to be shown on TV as week-long miniseries, not to mention
the museums and the monuments, and so on. 

Now let's return to your analogy, the NFL and the NFL Hall of Fame... 

The Superbowl's a couple of weeks away. Surely among the most hyped of
sporting events. The buildup to the big game lasts a week, and sometimes
more. And in order to hype the event, so that the TV network can charge
$1,000,000 for a minute's advertising time, reporters go looking for
stories that will make the event as intriguing and relevant and exciting
and compelling as is possible for human ingenuity to make it. Which,
naturally enough, makes it very tempting for reporters to exaggerate and
lie and invent things. After all, any professional sport nowadays, like
the Holocaust, is also big business.

Now let's go back to the Holocaust. The same dynamics have applied to it
too during these past 50 years. For example, in the 1955 Alain Resnais
documentary on Auschwitz-Birkenau, _Nuit et Brouillard_, we hear the
somber voice-over narrator intone about Birkenau... "neuf millions de
fantômes peuplent ce paysage" [i.e., "nine million ghosts inhabit this
landscape"]. 

Nine million exterminated at Birkeau alone, Resnais was claiming then! Of
course, the official figure was and had been for many years four million.
Since the 1990s, however, the new official estimates state between a
million and one and a half million killed at Auschwitz-Birkeau. A figure
even the Klarsfeld Foundation researcher, Jean-Claude Pressac, now claims
is also exaggerated (in a 1993 work, Les crématoires d'Auschwitz, Pressac
says 775,000 prisoners were killed). And so the numbers keep changing,
keep falling.

Along with the statistical hype, we often get stories like the one told by
Moshe Peer in an article that appeared in the Aug. 5 1993 edition of the
Montréal Gazette (a few days after John Demjanjuk, the man long touted as
being Ivan the Terrible of Treblinka, was acquitted by the Israeli Supreme
Court, despite the "eyewitness" testimony and "positive" identification by
5 Holocaust survivors). 

Part of the article reads: "As an 11-year-old boy held captive at the
Bergen-Belsen concetration camp during World War II, Moshe Peer was sent
to the gas chamber at least  six times.

"Each time he survived, watching the horror as many of the women and
children gassed with him collapsed and died.

"To this day, Peer doesn't know how he was able to survive.

"'Maybe children resist better, I don't know,' he said in an interview
last week."

It's easy to explain why Peer survived. The official storyline now says
there were no homicidal gas chambers at the Bergen-Belsen concentration
camp.

Alain Resnais and Moshe Peer are giving you their version of the Holocaust
story. Resnais: nine million people exterminated at Birkenau alone; Peer:
survived no less than six attempts at gassing in homicidal "gas chambers"
where we're told none existed. 

Do you believe them; and if you don't, does that make you a "Holocaust denier"?



 






 
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From slepokuo@cadvision.com Mon Jan 15 10:18:52 PST 1996
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Abraham H. Foxman, National Director of the Anti-Defamation League of
B'nai B'rith (New York), writing in ADL On the Frontline [January 1994, p.
2], said:

"...The Holocaust is something different. It is a singular event. It is
not simply one example of genocide but a near successful attempt on the
life of God's chosen children and, thus, on God Himself. It is an event
that is the antithesis of Creation as recorded in the Bible; and like its
direct opposite, which is relived weekly with the Sabbath and yearly with
the Torah, it must be remembered from generation to generation."

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Rabbi Eli Hecht, past president of the Rabbinical Council of California,
writing in The Los Angeles Times ["When Will Jews Let It Rest?," Jan. 2,
1994] said:

"For the life of me, I can't understand what possessed Steven Spielberg to
make 'Schindler's List,' to glorify a latter-day Robin Hood who profited
at the expense of Polish Jewry...I would call it 'Swindler's List'...

"I understand that for many Jews this film is a sacred cow and nothing bad
should be said about it, just as the museums of the Holocaust are
considered beyond criticism. However, truly speaking, for young Jewish
Americans, these films and museums add nothing but fear. The message is
that the world is never a safe place for Jews...

"I am sick and tired of this generation identifying Judaism with
suffering. Why is it imperative for our children and young people to visit
Holocaust museums? Why do we need to hear lectures about skinheads and
neo-Nazis and growing anti-Semitism? Why should they see every film about
the Holocaust, always portraying Jews as victims running for their
lives?...

"It is preposterous to think an American film-maker can help preserve
Judaism by showing a most horrific and pitiful scene of naked Jewish women
huddled in the gas chamber. This doesn't make for better Jews, just
better-selling movies.  If for a moment you think there is a moral lesson
to be gleaned from 'Schindler's List,' tell it to E.T...."

____________________________________________________________________________


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Leon Wieseltier, the literary editor of The New Republic, writing in its
May 3, 1993, issue [p. 20], wrote:

"'It's a sad fact," said the principal philanthropist of the grotesque
Simon Wiesenthal Center in Los Angeles, 'that Israel and Jewish education
and all the other familiar buzzwords no longer seem to rally Jews behind
the community. The Holocaust, though, works every time.' His candour was
refreshing, even if it was obscene. On the subject of the extermination of
the Jews of Europe, the Jews of America are altogether too noisy."

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Rabbi Ephraim Buchwald, writing in The Los Angeles Times ["The Holocaust
is Killing America's Jews," April 28, 1992], said:

"There is almost nothing more sacred or more sensitive for Jews living in
the generation after the Holocaust than the memory of the six million
martyrs of the Nazi genocide...Now that 'revisionists,' who seek to deny
the Holocaust, have become even more brazen, sensitive Jews are reacting
with even great passion.

"But obsession with the Holocaust is exacting a great price. It is killing
America's Jews...Jews as a group are drifting away from their
religion...Unless there will be, within the very near future, a dramatic
turnaround in the patterns of Jewish assimilation and intermarriage, we
are probably witnessing the last generation of Jewish life in America as
we know it.

"...Right now the priority seems to be building Holocaust memorials. More
than $500 million has already been pledged or spent to build 19 Holocaust
memorials and 36 research centers or libraries in America. Some cities,
like Los Angeles, have two or three competing Holocaust memorials...

"There is a Holocaust taking place in America right now. We can't hear it,
because there are no barking dogs...We can't smell it because there are no
gas chambers. But the net result is exactly the same."

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In article <30F9217B.2FA6@aimnet.com>, George Graves 
wrote:

> 

> > The ultimate answer is, of course, to become your own server.  Nice, for
> > those who can afford it.
> 
> Yes, but THAT'S precisely why  the Wiesenthal Center's efforts are doomed
> to failure. As fast as mainstream providers distance themselves from this
> debate by simply censoring those portions of service which are 
> controversial, new providers sponsored by organizations which have had
> their points of view censored, will come on line to fill the gap. There
is simply
> no practical way to physically censor the internet. Thank the lord for small 
> favors.
> 
> George Graves

_________________________________________________

That's exactly what Holocaust revisionist-activist, Dan Gannon, ended up
doing. Because of all the pressure put on his service providers, Gannon
set up to become his own Internet provider, with a high speed link to
MCI's Internet spine. 

To expedite his electronic publishing ventures, he also acquired a
flat-bed scanner and high quality software that allows him to scan
articles electronically instead of having to type them up manually.

Since Gannon started up his own bulletin board system (BBS) in August
1991, on "Banished CPU," he's logged about 160,000 calls with his outreach
program. Where there's a will there's a way; especially when high-tech is
involved.

Computer technology is exfoliating in all directions at a dizzying rate.
Won't be long now before they marry radio and the Internet, TV and the
Internet.  It won't be long before high tech dumps new tools into our laps
to enable us to once again frustrate the censorious will of the Thought
Police of whatever political, ethnic or ideological stripe.

Orest Slepokura

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From: slepokuo@cadvision.com (Orest Slepokura)
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Subject: Re: THE WHOLE SHAMEFUL BUSINESS
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In article <108056438wnr@stumpy.demon.co.uk>, jeff@stumpy.demon.co.uk wrote:

> Undoubtedly the pursuit of vengeance rather than justice motivates those 
> clamouring for these trials to go on. But an even more powerful excuse for 
> them is the need to save the faces of so many who clamoured for them to take 
> place. Among those whose faces it is hoped will be saved by a trial are Lady 
> Thatcher, who was conscious of the sensitivities of the many Jews in her 
> Finchley constituency; the MPs who allowed their emotions to conquer their 
> reason when they supported the War Crimes Bill; the Jewish pressure groups 
> who have become insensitive to the anti-Semitism they are fostering by their 
> refusal to allow charity and forgiveness to be displayed as a Jewish virtue.
> It is about time we recognised that an abortive trial costing 30 million 
> that is bound to end in an acquittal or the death of the accused before it 
> is over, is too expensive and humiliating a process to be undertaken to save 
> a few  vengeful faces.
>
______________________________________________

Jeff:

"Vengeance," you say? Yes, of course. That's one of the forces that drives
the hunt for alleged Nazi war criminals. Both racial and political
vengeance. You may recall, for example, the letter Lord Denning addressed
to the London Daily Telegraph [see the April 28, 1988 issue] in which he
deplored the "signs of racial and political vengeance" that were were very
evident during the trial of John Demjanjuk, alleged to have been Ivan the
Terrible of Treblinka. 

Another motive, to my mind, is simply crass commercialism. The Holocaust,
after all, is a "big business industry," to quote Britain's former chief
rabbi, Lord Jakobovits [see the Nov 26, 1987 issue of The Jerusalem Post].
And a war crimes trial, or the mere reference to an upcoming one, even if
it's only hot air, is tantamount to free advertising for the Holocaust
boosters and profiteers.

In Canada we are stuck with a 10-year-old 966-page volume costing millions
of dollars to produce nicknamed "The Deschênes Report," but more
officially known as the Report of the Commission of Inquiry on [Nazi] War
Criminals [in Canada].

Simon Wiesenthal had assured us that there were 6,000 Nazi war criminals
to be found living in Canada [p. 247]. In the ten years since, all that
happened was one (1) Dutch collaborator Jacob Luitjens) was deported to
his native Holland. Nothing more. And even Luitjens had been tried and
found guilty in absentia by a Dutch court in the late 1940s. 

The Deschênes Report included 822 profiles of individuals who had been
investigated by the Royal Canadian Mounted Police as suspected Nazi war
criminals. A list appearing on pp. 47-48 of the report makes it abundantly
plain that it was either individual Jews like Simon Wiesenthal or Jewish
organizations like the Canadian Jewish Congress that supplied most of the
names of suspects. That amounted to several hundred people, the majority
elderly émigrés from Eastern and Central Europe and the Baltic Republics.
The Canadian Department of Justice provided 81 names, and the Soviet Union
a further 43 names. With one minor exception, all of the investigations
during the past decade have so far led nowhere. 

Many of the cases profiled in the Deschênes Report are straight out of
Kafka. Here is a grimly hilarious example of the sort of black comedy one
trips over in some of the profiled cases:


                           CASE NO. 190 [pp. 391-392]

This family's surname was brought to the attention of the Commission by
Mr. David Matas [Senior Counsel, Bnai B'rith Canada], whose source of
information was an anonymous letter claiming the family came from a
foreign country and deserved investigation because they were "recluses".
There was no specific allegation of involvement in war crimes made against
this family. Mr. Matas advised that this family was reportedly residing in
Canada.

The Commission requested the departments of Employment and Immigration,
the Secretary of State and External Affairs to conduct checks to ascertain
whether a person with a similar name had entered Canada or applied for
citizenship or a passport. The Commission also conducted CPIC and MVB
searches against the family's surname. All the above searches produced
negative responses.

After a thorugh investigation of the address submitted to the Commission
and of the family residing there, the Commission found no persons of an
age that could conceivably have participated in World War II war crimes.
The mother and father were born in 1942 and 1940 respectively, their
children obviously some time later, and both sets of grandparents reside
in a foreign country and have never entered Canada.

The Commission confirmed that the Berlin Document Center needed more
details to complete its name search.

On the basis of the foregoing, it is recommended that the file on the
subject be closed. 

[end of profile of Case No. 190]

A shameful business? Yes... But also a bit sad and pathetic. And even at
times a little bit funny, too, however unintended the humour. 

Orest Slepokura

______________________________________________

> Milton Shulman  [ Evening Standard  2th June page 28]
> 
> "this shameful business" The War Crimes Trial has gone ahead. One case has 
> already been dropped. It is estimated that the case will cost about 30 
> million to the British taxpayer.
> You don't have to be a lawyer to realise the legal questions that this trial 
> raises....
> 
> And have the killers of Katyn been brought to trial? Are they even being 
> investigated? I doubt it....
> 
> Milton Shulman, who is himself a jew, deserves credit, for his brave 
> stand. 
> 
> 
> 
> Jeff
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>             In the mountains of truth you never climb in vain.
>                    Friedrich Nietzsche (1844 - 1900)
> 
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------


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From: slepokuo@cadvision.com (Orest Slepokura)
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Subject: Re: THE WHOLE SHAMEFUL BUSINESS
Date: 24 Jan 1996 04:37:40 GMT
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In article <108056438wnr@stumpy.demon.co.uk>, jeff@stumpy.demon.co.uk wrote:

> Undoubtedly the pursuit of vengeance rather than justice motivates those 
> clamouring for these trials to go on. But an even more powerful excuse for 
> them is the need to save the faces of so many who clamoured for them to take 
> place. Among those whose faces it is hoped will be saved by a trial are Lady 
> Thatcher, who was conscious of the sensitivities of the many Jews in her 
> Finchley constituency; the MPs who allowed their emotions to conquer their 
> reason when they supported the War Crimes Bill; the Jewish pressure groups 
> who have become insensitive to the anti-Semitism they are fostering by their 
> refusal to allow charity and forgiveness to be displayed as a Jewish virtue.
> It is about time we recognised that an abortive trial costing 30 million 
> that is bound to end in an acquittal or the death of the accused before it 
> is over, is too expensive and humiliating a process to be undertaken to save 
> a few  vengeful faces.
>
______________________________________________

Jeff:

"Vengeance," you say? Yes, of course. That's one of the forces that drives
the hunt for alleged Nazi war criminals. Both racial and political
vengeance. You may recall, for example, the letter Lord Denning addressed
to the London Daily Telegraph [see the April 28, 1988 issue] in which he
deplored the "signs of racial and political vengeance" that were were very
evident during the trial of John Demjanjuk, alleged to have been Ivan the
Terrible of Treblinka. 

Another motive, to my mind, is simply crass commercialism. The Holocaust,
after all, is a "big business industry," to quote Britain's former chief
rabbi, Lord Jakobovits [see the Nov 26, 1987 issue of The Jerusalem Post].
And a war crimes trial, or the mere reference to an upcoming one, even if
it's only hot air, is tantamount to free advertising for the Holocaust
boosters and profiteers.

In Canada we are stuck with a 10-year-old 966-page volume costing millions
of dollars to produce nicknamed "The Deschênes Report," but more
officially known as the Report of the Commission of Inquiry on [Nazi] War
Criminals [in Canada].

Simon Wiesenthal had assured us that there were 6,000 Nazi war criminals
to be found living in Canada [p. 247]. In the ten years since, all that
happened was one (1) Dutch collaborator Jacob Luitjens) was deported to
his native Holland. Nothing more. And even Luitjens had been tried and
found guilty in absentia by a Dutch court in the late 1940s. 

The Deschênes Report included 822 profiles of individuals who had been
investigated by the Royal Canadian Mounted Police as suspected Nazi war
criminals. A list appearing on pp. 47-48 of the report makes it abundantly
plain that it was either individual Jews like Simon Wiesenthal or Jewish
organizations like the Canadian Jewish Congress that supplied most of the
names of suspects. That amounted to several hundred people, the majority
elderly émigrés from Eastern and Central Europe and the Baltic Republics.
The Canadian Department of Justice provided 81 names, and the Soviet Union
a further 43 names. With one minor exception, all of the investigations
during the past decade have so far led nowhere. 

Many of the cases profiled in the Deschênes Report are straight out of
Kafka. Here is a grimly hilarious example of the sort of black comedy one
trips over in some of the profiled cases:


                           CASE NO. 190 [pp. 391-392]

This family's surname was brought to the attention of the Commission by
Mr. David Matas [Senior Counsel, Bnai B'rith Canada], whose source of
information was an anonymous letter claiming the family came from a
foreign country and deserved investigation because they were "recluses".
There was no specific allegation of involvement in war crimes made against
this family. Mr. Matas advised that this family was reportedly residing in
Canada.

The Commission requested the departments of Employment and Immigration,
the Secretary of State and External Affairs to conduct checks to ascertain
whether a person with a similar name had entered Canada or applied for
citizenship or a passport. The Commission also conducted CPIC and MVB
searches against the family's surname. All the above searches produced
negative responses.

After a thorugh investigation of the address submitted to the Commission
and of the family residing there, the Commission found no persons of an
age that could conceivably have participated in World War II war crimes.
The mother and father were born in 1942 and 1940 respectively, their
children obviously some time later, and both sets of grandparents reside
in a foreign country and have never entered Canada.

The Commission confirmed that the Berlin Document Center needed more
details to complete its name search.

On the basis of the foregoing, it is recommended that the file on the
subject be closed. 

[end of profile of Case No. 190]

A shameful business? Yes... But also a bit sad and pathetic. And even at
times a little bit funny, too, however unintended the humour. 

Orest Slepokura

______________________________________________

> Milton Shulman  [ Evening Standard  2th June page 28]
> 
> "this shameful business" The War Crimes Trial has gone ahead. One case has 
> already been dropped. It is estimated that the case will cost about 30 
> million to the British taxpayer.
> You don't have to be a lawyer to realise the legal questions that this trial 
> raises....
> 
> And have the killers of Katyn been brought to trial? Are they even being 
> investigated? I doubt it....
> 
> Milton Shulman, who is himself a jew, deserves credit, for his brave 
> stand. 
> 
> 
> 
> Jeff
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>             In the mountains of truth you never climb in vain.
>                    Friedrich Nietzsche (1844 - 1900)
> 
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------


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From: slepokuo@cadvision.com (Orest Slepokura)
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Subject: "...want[ing] to pull the plug..."
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                          From: The Globe and Mail
                           Date: January 20, 1996
               Title: "Nazi hunters want to pull the plug on hate" 
                        By: Peter H. Lewis [The New York Times]


                       The blurb above the article reads:

The evil ideas of Holocaust revisionists, white supremacists and
homophobes should be banned from the World Wide Web, says the Simon
Wiesenthal Center. But not everyone thinks this is the solution 

___________________________________________ 

Citing "the rapidly expanding presence of organized hate groups on the
Internet," a leading Jewish human-rights group is sending letters to
hundreds of Internet access providers and universities asking them to
refuse to carry messages that "promote racism, anti-Semitism, mayhem and
violence." 

The letter from the Simon Wiesenthal Center, a 425,000-member organization
based in Los Angeles, is the latest in a growing effort by legislators and
private-interest groups to censor offensive material on the global data
network, which now connects millions of computer users worldwide. 

"Internet providers have a First Amendment right and a moral obligation
not to provide these groups with a platform for their destructive
propaganda," says the latter written by Rabbi Abraham Cooper, the centre's
associate dean. The letter has been sent to America Online, Compuserve,
Prodigy, the Microsoft Network and dozens of Internet service providers. 

Rabbi Cooper says the target of the call for "ethical rules of engagement
on the Internet" is not the many discussion forums in which individuals
debate such topics as whether the Holocaust actually occurred, but rather
the Internet's World Wide Web, a service that allows users to publish
electronic documents--including text, pictures and sound clips--that can
be read by millions of people. 

Dozens of groups, from white supremacists to anarchists, have published
documents on the Web about their points of view. Some of their offerings
are revisionist histories; others are racist tracts denigrating blacks,
Jews, homosexuals and other minorities. 

Such hate speech is not illegal under U.S. law and is generally protected
by guarantees of freedom of speech in the First Amendment to the U.S.
Constitution. But efforts are growing to restrict certain types of
information on computer networks. Congress is debating a proposal that
would make it illlegal to transmit indecent material on the Internet. Even
before such laws are passed, some Internet access providers have begun
dropping clients who post offensive materials. 

However, not everyone agrees on how to deal with the problem. "The
Wiesenthal Center should realize it is not possible to make anti-Semitism
or historical revisionism go away by censoring it," says Mike Godwin,
staff counsel for the Electronic Frontier Foundation, a civil-liberties
group that focuses on computer networks. "The best response is always to
answer bad speech with more speech." 

On the Net, says Mr. Godwin, "it's quite clear that whenever anti-Semites
or Holocaust revisionists surface, individual citizens spontaneously
correct the record with documentation and facts." 

Indeed, dozens of Web pages have arisen to challenge the hate-speech
publications directly. Some even electronically link their pages with
those of their antagonists. 

"Obviously, if the Simon Wiesenthal Center's attempt goes through, our
page would also be deemed unsuitable, which I find offensive," says David
Abitbol, an Internet consultant in Montreal who operates Net Hate, a World
Wide Web page that seeks to expose hate speech on the Internet. 

Mr. Abitbol says he finds hate speech offensive, but "we are totally in
support of free speech, and there is nothing anyone can do to stop these
people from broadcasting their information." 

Mark Weber, director of the Institute for Historical Review, based in
Newport Beach, Calif., calls the Wiesenthal Center's action "outrageous
and hypocritical." Some of the historical review's publications challenge
the existence of the Holocaust. 

"I don't see how it is going to work," says Mr. Weber, whose institute
publishes revisionist histories in print and on the Internet. He adds that
efforts had been made in the past to put pressure on his service provider
to drop the institute's Web service. "If need be, we could conceivably set
up our own service provider," he says. 

For his part, Rabbi Cooper feels the Internet can be a dangerous place. He
cites the posting of instructions for making explosive devices, including
recipes for Sarin nerve gas and for bombs similar to the one that
destroyed a federal building in Oklahoma City last April 19. Examples like
this lead him to believe that the "unprecedented potential and scope of
the Internet" give people "incredible power to promote violence, threaten
women, denigrate minorities, promote homophobia and conspire against
democracy." 

[end of article]



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